The Statesman. — London, England, 1818-03-07 00:00:00

rPr.77 .. ':-w:i~ • w 7 • 4 , . _ :<:r ,. ?: . • , s . • • :1 - . • , .." . , 77 - 1 . , . . stied • inlantssful peace; and bad foreign nations fee her Allies, instead of having them jealous rivals of her power; there was therefore little reason to guard more tans. 'ban svaidone at the former period • against canna! dangers. The Colonies had in this . respect the same comparative security with England •—the only danger that was possible to arise to them must be anticipated from Minks ' whose whole standing army did not amount to 8000 men, and yet they were to be watched as a precautionary owe- Sere by no Ins thins 24,000.—Ufear, hearl—ThV only reduction be meant to propose was 5,000 men, and this would, hnimsgined, create a saving to the notion of 108,0004. Bet besides the 'arguments arising for his motion from a vie* of the palatal., security of the different garrisons, and their not re• 'Wring this additional force, there was also the great / sonstinstional argumentagainst large mending Arlin In title of peace. —[llear,' hear!] —It used twbe the she policy of oar ancestors to 'Alice the Army. cud maintain the Navy; now of late this course was reversed, the Nary was reduced and the 1 - Army itegesested.—[Nher, hear!] —On an average of years from 1786 to 1792, the votierfor the Army were 17,000 leen, for the Navy 19,000. On en Irmo of ners .or st....„.. , t!ii it y y etes on w ly ere w fo ,ooo r th . e a v rin tri y , "1 I . I the II seentry weld twee beviettained the glory she had acquired, hod she net been a great naval power, and the nestlings of late madein her Nary might Iseesefter beserioesty felt, and prevent her from re. seeing the prowl station she bad heretofore held.. .-[ Hear,- hear !]-;—la 'Tiering, also, as a branch of the constitutional argument, the greet increase of influence to the Crown from a standing army, the ikon should watch, with a jealous eye, any thing that bed a tendency to perpetuate this over grown lefieence; end thooglt the reduction of 3,000 awn would not, in any adequate manner, re move the evil, it would, to a certain extent cir. teased's, and limit. its pi/tromp and operation.— The reduction would at once be made in the Colo. Pier, where titer* appeared no internal dissatisfac• floe ; for instance, in many of them there were 1 satin corps in the pay of Greet Britain. Surely, ) then, there was no necessity of having White regi• mewls In full numbers in the same places, unless, )Indeed, they were so placed to watch the Black i corps, sod Phi, would only prove the necessity of reducing the latter, and thereby effecting the pro i, posed saving in point of expence.—(A laugh, and km 1) -6-lit the military arrangements at house; con sidereble string might be had without even touching ) the general disposable fore.; for instance, io the Hoes at Chatham, the fortifications at-Portsmouth, i end other places,' where en unnecessary military mode was kept up. Why not also reduce the number in each Mealiest, as before the war ? Then she number was 400 men•—•it was now 800; but eappose only 60 were token from each, then a me. trial saving would take place. Impressed with the full necessity of making the utmost economical ar rangements which the safety of , the country would admit, he would conclude by moving, as an amend• meat —That a redaction be made of 5,000 men in the nomber proposed to be kept up by the Resole. dun of the Commlttee.—[lfeer, hear!] Mr. WYNN agreed to much of the substance of the Noble Lord's 'perch, but objected to it on the ground of form, and because he thought it would not answer the end proposed. In 1713, the numbers men. tioned in the Munity Bill had been reduced from 9956. the number for *hick Supply had been granted, i to 8600. In 1721, from 14,244 to 13,244. In -, 1722, from 18,294 to 16,149. Yet at all those times, the greater nurnber;thet it, the qomber for which the Supply bad been granted, and not the number men. tinned in the Mutiny Act, hat been maintained.— ( 'rhe words of the Munity Act were, in fact, reel. tatory and not enactive. Much of the reasoning of the Noble Mover he approved of, especially the part . which related to the Colonies ; bet he disapproved i of the manner in which his ideas were to be carried into effect. He had no objection to the maintenance of the proposed number of troops in the Colonies, but be thought the Colonies should bear the espence.— Jamaica once maintained two battalions of infantry I end a regiment of cavalry. • Mr. BANKES could not agree with the Hon. and Learned Gentleman (Mr. Wynn). The precedents which the Hon. and Learned 9entleman hail stated, showed that it was not irregular.—[Hear, hear ! ] -- The only reams for the Honourable a nd Learned Gentleman's objection...as, that for some reason or other, the wishes of the Legislature had been con. leavened by the F.tectitire. If the Houses of Par. fitment concurred in the vole now proposed, he had Ito doubt they had strength and vigilance enough to self that that vote was executed.—[Hear, heat!j— The Hon. Gentlanawthen pressed the necessity of . redaction at this time, and observed, that though i Me. Pitt had been censored because he reduced the force, in 1792, to so low an amount, that, on the breaking_oet of the war, inconvenience arose from the oecessity of speedily eugatenting it* yet no.num. bar which would then have been tolerated would have obviated that inconvenience. The state of the country was much improved ; and he thought a re duction of three regiments, or 2400 men, in Britain, and the same proportion an the colonial force, would "• scarcely be felt. Ile cordially supported the motion. Lord PALMERSTON rose and laid, that he would pass over the question of order, and treat the subject upon its own- merits.--[Near, hear!]—The - periods of 1786 and 1792, be denied to be either of them a fair criterion. His Lordship then reputed the arguments se often urged to show that a greater establishment than the periods above mentioned, was . I / necessary for the various parts .of the empire. Al lowing for the sick. and the non-effective men, on ' i the whole, the 26,000 men stated for Great Britain, ought to se really taken at 18,0001 •fled was this, be would ask, too large an restablisirmeet for Eng. i land 2—[flear, hear!]—As to Ireland, it was nut • disputed, that the establishment existing there was folly amenity. Its some of bur -colonies, portico , Ilvrly in Canada, au loctiesed force was necessary, on account of the military, 000 not unfriendly aspect assumed by the United Stant. Neither could the estimated forces in -.lassies and the Leeward Islands be ceusidked ettravegant. Some of our co llides, it was true, were Witt productive of returns ea fficierit to meet their individual expence. But the lees prodacsise were held as advanced posts, and 1 Mete necessary to be kept for the preservation of the F _ gO7r•••r' 1M1. , .. , 1•• ~--- -,- ~ar...~ __,~ ~. _ ..., ~;,.- ... . a rest. In Gibraltar, the farce was not so large as in 1799. bIe."ORDE seld,, that he a g o armie s why the military eAtablithentats of Otis unity aboeld he dff. (rout from what they were i 1709. The mule nail, it was said, was increased. Bot this would be a reason for raising the standing army in numbers 'eery succeeding year; so that if this argument was admitted, end this system suffered to go on, not a Twig* of the old Constitution of England would •onas' perceptible.—( /wear, hear !)— A greater romp, it was Said,• was necessary to be kept in the metropolis. True; he had forgotten that it was be come invest •ry to have a more splendid and crowded parade of military on Levee days.—(llear, hear 1) — These were novelties in the metropolis of England. The morniege of these festivals were ushered in with the hurried movements of the Guards, and with such a cyanosed bustle of horses, and noise of trumpets, as would, if they had been beard in their time, have led our ancestors to suppose that the French were at the dorm—(llear, hear !)—Time was, when his' Majesty used to hold his Levees in the simple style which Warne the first Magistrate if a free People.— [near 1)--Ills rJaitors wont in and out, Without passing•titrough tiles of troopers ; and their ears were not 'moiled with. lite eternal clangor of martial tram pits.—[llear, hear!]—lllo was sorry to see the oeimtry se degraded, from its high, and glorious sta. lien. He was sorry to see such a disposition to mi. litary pageantry ; end be defied the Gentlemen op posh., twproduce le the past history Of England, 'each on approach, as this was, ha time of peace, to the military and despotic Constitutions of the Cott: ' floral. For these reasons, he should support tbe motion —[This speech was loudly cheered.] • Lord G. NU G ENT'congratulated tbelluese, 00011 I hearing a speech so replete, as that of Bon. Gen. demean, who just sat down, with sound eoesiko. tional doctrine.—illear, hear 1) —He should not trouble the 'House with any lengthened or intend arguments. Ile Should only observe, that in • his' mind, the country had strong reason to, be jealous of the number of foreign mercenaries on our pease eats blishment.--Ellear !]—They consisted of Germans, Italians, and French ; and amounted to at least two. thirds of the number proposed to be reduced. There was a great deal of desertion autoag these merman). ries ; end if there was any difficulty in eirectingibe reduction, he thought it would be done away, by' considering, that in every view, these mercenariest ought to be sent out of the country. In hie, opinion, also, no army estimates should receive the support of the House (certainly, they would not have his vote), which provided for a British army of occupation in , France.—[llear, hear!] —fie bad objections to the keeping up of this army, which never coald be done away. Ile did not like, In a constitotional point of view, to see an English army placed in circemstaocest and conversant with society, which would melte *me not only forget,. bit despise the principles oral* own free Constitution.—[Hear, herr !] - ' Mr. %VARRE said Ministers et pressed mach vo. neration fur the principles of Mr. Pitt, and yet ;wadi but little upon them. That illustrious Minister pre• posed a small establishment in 1799 because 'boom ' that the finances required, and the internal State of the country allowed it. But at present, the same . reason for economy existed; the tranquillity of the country was unquestioned; yet what a, difference be tween she establishments of 1792 and 18181—(Hear, hear!)—A large force was said to be necessary for the metropolis; but bow was it disposed of ? Sen tinels were placed to guard the Chinese Bridge, end others, to watch a French mortar !--(Hear, hear !) —if the Noble Lord opposite would even set about reducing man by man, every unnecessary sentinel in the metropolis, be would find that so large an este. blisbment as he has proposed, was uncalled for.— hear, hear!) The House divided, and the numbers appeared, Against Lord Althorpes esstios - 63 For it 42 21 Majority against the erotitia When the nanibers were declared, there were load cheering on the Opposition benches, on account of the smallness of the majority. The Mutiny 011, after some observations from Mr. GURNEY, which we could not distinctly beer, was committed, and ordered to be read a third time on Monday nest. The Madder Duty Mil, and West India Indem nity Bill, wars also ordered to be read a third time on Monday. t, The Marine Mutiny Bill was committed, and 'or. &red to he reported on Monday. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER gave notice, tbst,on Monday, he should more for leave to bring iu a Bill to amend this Saving - Beaks Act. Mr. CALCRAFT moved for an aerostat of iho number of troops serving in ,great Britain, sad on Foreign Stations, op to the first of March, 1818; distinguishing t he cavalry sod artillery, with the *ember of horses.—Ordered. ROYAL BURGHS OF SCOTLAND. • Lord CASTLEREAGH wished to inforns *a No ble Lord, whom he am in his place, that his Learned Friend, the Lord Advocate of Scotland, should postpone, until after the holidayi, the motion ' he had given notice of his intention to make, for leave to bring in a Bill on this subject ; because be did not wish to presents measure of each importance to Parliament, without first consulting the law an thoritles in Scotland. Sir JOHN NEWPORT said, it was the first time be bad beard a statement made in the Holub of Commons, that a Bill intended to be brought in, mast first undergo the initiatory inspection of Jedps, whose duty it would afterwards be to see its orovi *loss carried into effect. It was a- monstrous pro. seeding, and he should set Ms face against . it. Loyd CASTLEREAGH assered the Hon, Ba ronet, that bis Learned Friend had no other object in view, than to obtain such information as shoeld satisfy Mm as to the correctness of the meant.* he, was about to intredeet ,• and he was surprised at the' objection made by the Hon. Baronet. 'The Bill was intended to give the Law Authorities in Scotland a certain jurisdiction over the pecuniary concerns 61 the Royal Burgh; and it was reasonable to sop. pose, that his Learned Friend should wish to be consistent its the wisere he meant to present to the House. Lord A. HAMILTON thought, that after what 'rri 81'.AMESM . - bid occurred hi the boroegb of Montrosei sites sure ousltt.to bare hero brought forwarAseret. BANK TOKESq. The native having resolved itself lute a Coomiatee on the Bank Tokens Bill. . General THORNTON ingested the propriety of 'Gumucio; ■ CIOMeV, ter issalr.. into Sating Banks, as 'well as to the Collectors of Tales. This would be an inducement , to the wait ing people, who might bave.Tokens in their posses. sion, to deposit money in these banks; besides, the lower orders of people bad nothing to do with direct lazes. The .11111 wag ordered to be reported on Monday next. Mr. CRORER loved for leave to bring in a Bill to consolidate the various Acts for granting lte'words for the Discovery of the Longitude. The legislation on that head was perfktly anomalous, and had,. in some instances, prOduced consequences that never could be in the contemplation of the Legislature.— The lion. Member entered into an historic and scien tific view of the question from the reign of Elisabeth to the present period, and showed that by the don. ble operation of the chronometer and the lunar ta bles, the longitode might be almoit said to be actual :iy discovered. Still, however, it was desiiable to 'obtain, if possible, a closer approximation to that 'desideratum. It was his intention to propose a 'chimp in the Board of Longitude, or rather to re store it to its original constitution, by the addi. tion of six scientific Members, resident in Lon don or the neighbourhood. Three of these,. be ,proposed, should have a salary of 1001. each. The idoneerable Gentleman, in the coarse of his Meter. 'aliens, adverted lo the Nautical Aimatiack, which, deriug the time that it was conducted by its projec tor, the learwd Dr. Maskelvee, was a most accurate and useful publication. lie was sorry to say, how ever, that the monger for the presetst year contained nineteen grave errors, and the number f0r..1819 (for it was published-in anticipation) no less than forty— & circemstance highly unbecoming to the country in its scientific character, and pregnant with - the most dangerous coosequences to navigators. This was'the fault. of the individual called the Comparer, to whom the various calculations made by the Computers on the observations of the Astronomer Royal were sub. mitttd ; at present a person not responsible, but whom it would be one object of his Bill to make re sponsible, by paying him a moderate but adequate salary for his superintendence of that work. Another object of his Bill would be to reconcile the contradic tion existing between two Acts of Parlthment, the one • offering • a reward to Coptaios of Whalers of 10,0001. for en_approach within one degree to the North Pole (with a sires to facilitate the discovery of a North-west passage from fbe Atlintic to the Pacific Oceans, and the other compelling the Captain of a Whaler to swear that in biwireYage he had not bees sweated by any motive of profit, except that result ing from catching whales. Ills object was to alter this oath by introducing au exception. with respect to the Parliamentary reward. lie proposed that the present rewards for Aiscoverieg the longitude of 5,0001. 7,5001. and 10,4/001. should stand as they were, bet that the limits‘should no longer be spe cified by Parliament, but determined by the report from time to time of the Board'of Longitude to his Majesty's Council. The Hon. Gentleman concluded by moving for leave to bring in a Bill for the more effectual Discovery of the Longitude, for the encou ragement of the manufacture of Time-keepers, and for the discovery of a N. W. passage from the Allan• tic to the Pacific Ocean. Mr. D. GILBERT seconded the motion, and' dwelt at considerable length on the idverniages that would result from the proposed measure. In the course of his observations be bestowed a high Moiler,' on the Rev. Mr. Ilitchint, who was the Comparer of the Nautical Alumina& fur 40 years, when it was under the superintendence of Dr. Mos kelyee ; and also on the late Rev. Mr. Edwards, who was one of the Computers employed on that publica tion. Mr. BROUGHAM, while be acknowled Nowise• nefits that the Bill stetted calculated to confer es navigation, wished to know whether there was any difference of opinion smell the present Members of the Board of Longitude on the subject of the pro: posed change ; . and advorted to itre increase of pa. trousge which would be occasioned by the proposed salaries of 1001. each of three nuts of science to be added to the Board. Mr. CROK ER replied, that not much di Werence of opinion could be suffered to 'list in a Board, that from the nature of its present constitution, met mai , two or three times in' the year, and then sat bat fie a very few hours. It was his earliest wish to pro. vent any abuse in the new appointments. They would be the resell of annual Aviaries by the Ad miralty, and Om salaries would be introduced into the Navy &thrives, so as to admit of their being canvassed by the llouse of Commons. The three first individuals to whom it was intended to offer these new allow Wei l _ were Dr. .'%V enlist ill, Di. Young, and Captain Taylor • thee whom three - meO of greater science could not be found in the country. After some further observations from Mr. SMITH, Mr. WILBEUTORM Mr. Fonaes, Mr. Ceolia, and be Cu* mcvn.c.ps of the LictiEgumeN in the coarse of which Mr. Croker elated that it was intended to re. Mae the Nautical Almanack, front the duty, leave was given to bring in the Bill.—Adjourned. LimonAsc.: CALtsraoeux.—The following dig. tressiog accident happened et Tewkesbury. on &ter day afternoon :—As lAeut. R.,Brydges ' R.N., with his brother Thomas, a Midshipman, end his youngest brother, Diaries, (all sons of Mr. Brydges, of that borough) accompanied by Lieut. Belcher, R. N., were sailing in a plessure.boat upon the river Severn, about midway between the Upper and Lower Lade, a sadden gait of wind upset the boat ; and, melan choly to Islets, the whole of them oere drowned, with the exception of Mr. Thomas Brydges, who, with very great (nasally (owing to the strength of the cerreut occasioned by the flood) tot to the shore in the most exhausted state. Mr. . Brydges had sailed down the river from Teokesbery with a party, but got on shore at the Upper Lode, to await their re. turn sedge refreshments prosiddfor them ; and thus probably he escaped the dreadful fate which, in a few hudnutes, overtook his unfortunate children cud their friend. Lieut. Brydges wu in his Vith year. oriorPME 4 • IM • f Ai . ?HICK dlr STOCK! THiS DAY A r oNt. treLout. • ileak Stack 5 per Cent. Nstay !ail 3 per Cent. Red: India Hoods 91 99 p • 3 per Cent. Cowls 771 if -- !kink :Cowls foe Ace. 78i 7tii kw Aso. Eicisequet 111114 1143 p 4 : 4 per Gest. .. _ THE STATESMAN. LONDON: SATVIIDAT. MARCH 7, 1418 Oer shipping intelligence, and the accounts frs.. Lhoaro's, still contain distressing details of the haio. c occasioned by the storm of Wednesday night. :1 4 y e e weather• continues to be tempestuous, and we fear these are yet but a part of the disasters We shall hind to record. The following sre the letters received to day :-- . DEAL, MARCH 6.—Arrived and sailed for the River, the Hannah, Edwards, from New Be ion z wick, with losi of an anchor and edge,- Insdditiun to what we stated yesterdiy, we learn the industry cutter and two brigs, coal, laden, foundered i n I L E.. Downs during the gale, leconsequence of Ogg. 'Swedish ihip baying' win fowl est thew- •The bri ' Henley, Conner, from- S►ields for Gressel., is Missing, and it is much feared that sho is one of theta run fool of by the above Swedish ship. nye o'Cs.ock.—The Blenheim has not yet been heard of. ' Pontsnotrytt, MARCH ..—ArriTKI the brig Niv. ton, from Sunderland. The galliot Triton, Onsirs, a hick drove out of Cewes harbour in the late gale, yet remains on shore near Seller's Point. The cot. tier, reported yesterday as souk, is bilged, and it is feared cannot begot off. it hes blown estremely hard all day, but w• hays not heard of any farther damage having been done. WEYMOUTH, MARCH 6. -Three pieces of wreck hate been thrown on shore:orith the letters 66 Clieffa vre, do" on them, (hie, therefore, we think, will estsblish the mime of lklereuete du Havre. Up to this moment no pot of the cargo hat; been seen, es. cept a few pounds of soap, so complete has been the destroction. The beach for miles is strewed with fragments : Ate tnor• bodies mere washed on 'horst last night dreadfully mangled ; ter, cargo appears to have been principally casks of wine., tanned hues, lemons, tfcc. 4!ltc. - DARTMOUTH, MARCH 5.—A French Wed (dis; men drove on the rocks between the Prattle and Start Points; aloes 10 miles from hetsce, and soya sent to pieces; her name is fA Jesuits Cetile deCuen: her cargo is all lost, and not one of the crow are seed. A Few grains of cocoa and a few cocos•auti here been washed on shore, and theta is a tpisyl4 l ,,. of staves on the rocks, which appear to belong to sugars casks, sad oothiug else to be seen but pieces of timber and ;dank. FALMOUTH, MARCH 4.—At day-light this Meta. ing the wind was from the and moderate; , about• 11 A.M. it backed to the southward, and from. that to the S.S.E. and since that time to the present moment (10 . P.M.) it has blown a hurricane, with a heavy sea.. The sbips in the Roads and [whoa sp.' peared, a little before dark, to ride it out well, hut am afraid we shall have some daMage to the west..' ward, us the wind is dead on the shore, aad this weather very thick. HARWICH, Mistral 6.—Arrived the Costlertaille • packet, with a Mail from Holland.—Sailed the Char. -• lane packet, with a Mail for Holland. . Ltvalteocir., Matto' s.—The Parker and Svc, from New Orleans, has beets on shore on &Ikea head Rocks, and has lost her redder, end received rither damage ; the Elisabeth, M'lntosb, that tailed for Chichester the day before yesterday, has pat back with loss or an anchor and cable, fore topsail yard, and jih-boorn. Sur ELDS, MARCH 4.—We have had a heavy Ores, wind last night, in which sis ships came on shore oe the Black Middens, five of them hate been got but the Mary Ann, of . Whitby, Tindal*, Master, rte''; mains on shore, and is likely to become' wreck the the crews of all ore safe. The Aurora, ==s of London has got lute harbour with loss of bee lets mast. jaw, se, SU SOM. ANN PI nog: tir witt , !‘ perieoced a most tremendous gale of *hid foie 110 S.S.W. during which the leUotslits chips carne " shore behind the North Tier, via..:—The Flats, this port; Galston, of Whitby; Sisters, of IVilliam, of ditto ; Ocean, olLy ors ; and the 'Ultra' and Frances of ditto. They 'hew si bees good' with damage, except. the Sisters, whinii bit jefiele pieces, and the Robert and PranCosi sank. MARGATE, MARCH 6.--The muff reported terday, and also to-day, to have foundered io the Downs, has been ,brought Sc hem and proves to he the Industry Revenue cutter. The schooner Maria,. Lover, wu also broogbt in here last night, with laek of anchor and cable. The llarngss, Lord Victory, and Mania, lismseeiled from Pett-ssod hole this morning. The Java Indistnen, and the Ditch ship Franklin, rewrites, this port. Ceptgie . Nichols, and part of the crew of the Mewls Wei-. lesley, who landed hers yesterday, have gone of again to the ship with ao anchor and cable. BRIGHTON, MARCH s.—At WPM o'clock on Wed nesday night it blew a perfect hurricane, and testi. trued wish unremitting fern to rage thee/aghast the lii4ht. A gale so violent is scarcely in the Woke' Lion of the oldest inhabitants* The swell and i ._. t.l F. k . 1 7 1