The Statesman. — London, England, 1819-11-24 00:00:00

THE STATESMAN. was pd by the county ; another was Mr. Norris, turbulent, infested, end misguided individuals st.pointed hs the Chancellor of the Duchy of Lan. These were the serious evils which should induce all cower, nod paid by that Duchy. They were respect. good men to stand forward in defence of Comities 10.10 melt and they knew that even the Court of Banal liberty. • Ile still MSS of epinioo that lenient Beech locked over the aberrations of measures were much better than those of a harsher Msgistratea. when_ tint convicted of culpable ne. character; but of the letter description be could not e hgence. T I hey hail every ground of sus; icion consider the approving of the condect alibi Stagie r ..siost the persons who marched in milit ar y sr. Rates whet they were 'opposed to have done their rase, with bonnets, and pikes bloody at the; duty. Ile felt that this question interested him mach, brads, to the places of meeting. flit there iinasmuch as it sleeted a Noble Friend of his, whom was stronger gromd of presumption in favour he had esteemed for 50 years; bet if that Noble a the NI sgistrates, which was, that to this day no Friearl had advised with him be, perhaps, "meld have I.rosecutiots hail been iunitoted against Ilse Magi. wished him to have taken • different step from what strafes. Ile deni*d that the Manchester Yeomanry he did; still be regretted that Minister" had adopted acted with violence or intemperance ; but bad merely I such a course with respect to Lord Fitswilliam, who , done their dots in aid of the Civil Power. The pre• bed essay times dose great violence to his 'merest sumption in their f was, that all the bills of ;and (mbar, by supporting the Government and lb* indictment against them had been thrown oat by the Coestitetion. Ile, therefore, should net applaed the lancashire Grand Jury. It had been deo*, by as wey le which. Gov/loosest had treated that t he lion. Gentleman, who had made the amities. that Esti. they ground their swords for the purpose. it had The Deka of kTIIOL thought It the del uals ; yef every also been denied by se Of fi cer in the 15th Mews, man to resist the arts of dan that lie hid saved msoy from their Ivry. Ii was the the dissimilations of sedition sad blasphemy. Ii opinion of the greatest Authorities that the Welles knew, bonnier, that the efforts of dm disaffected log of the 16th was se illegal owe. On the Wedoesdoy 4 not been so snecessfel le Sallied, as they had wish* night after the Meeting Mr. hay came to Wye to ' ell or espected ; bet he could speak from his was Rice evidence respecting thesis , * of Manchester. The knowledge, that seditious trash hid b een g i ven away Needier* of the Privy Council in town, with the among them, or sold at low prices, with the vain et. Lew Officers of the Crown, were assembled; std pectstion of sedeciegibees from their loyally • sod they were of matelots that the Meeting was illegal ; blasphemy speed abroad to destroy their religions, sad the conduct of the Maelstreles perfectly jest'. ptiociples. These, however, were too deep rooted fable ; and it was only they that the letter was t• be so easily destroyed ; end they remitter! patient' written appleeding the contlelet of the Magi. in their alteatiette, wadies better times. Ile, bow. l straits. Was there ever • mamma when it was ever, thought that Geveretnent should be sappoilet of more commeence to give importance to the Ma. In presenting the progress of Radical Refers, which simulates ; and convinced as they were, then and wee, simply, every mast seising his ne;ghbour's goods, sow. that the Magistrates had done their defy, and retaluiog them if ho was able. If they could Voeld they have acted properly if they had hesitated step such a spirit, let it be done with es little harsh. to applied them. sod to give confidence to the whole mess as possible; but if be were asked what measures Magistracy of the country ? Ile then alluded to the he would propose. he should say, jest such measures fate of Campbell, who was stoned to death in open as the case required; and let them stop when the day for giving evidence stalest the disaffected ; and necessity which tolled for them should . Nothing to others who bed their lives endangered for similar shoed prevent bias fres doing what he then it his cesdect. Yet the Noble Lord had taken no notice duty, sod he should therefore attend de die in diem of these circumstances. The danger of the country la his place to farther all masers. to peseta such hail bees admitted ; let them th en suite in sormeout• proceediegs. ing it; end if he saw any greater danger than ace- Lord LILFORD said, be was the advents of other, it was in those who sleeted to Maud beigesu thousands, and two( thousands, of their loyal sad the Government and the people. He would not peaceable fellow.subjects who called open them tri eater into the grounds far dispensing with those'. pet • stop to then turbulent proceedings. which in vites of Frorl Fitswilliam ; but the manner in which teetered with their giblet end ordinary habits of life. be took a part in the state of his county readered it He read • letter from a person in the middle order impossible that soy farther confidence retold subsist of life, stating, that the people would not be goaded between the Government sod his Lordship. He De by Remmers, if they were not perverted by the would enter oti hither into these mattels until the blasphemies sad seditious tracts so indoesly cit. subject should be broughtin soother shape balers the ciliated, and which Geternmeat ought to astd pet a stop Ilvasy. to. He defended the comdect of the Manchester Lord ERMINE said, the Home ought not to Meeistretee. take tie secnunt which Ministers chose to give of the Eisl GREY esplained. If it could be meintsined state el she country, and lathe dowel which threat. in this instance that Parliamentary enquiry was 'm enet!, especially when Ministers were the party sa tra.jodicial, the same might be contended In every culled. Bel it was their duty to esquite,sed to show ieetaece we n re the Costitutionw as violated. that they were unbiassed by M inister ' , end that they Lord LILFORD resemed.hee Megistrates wore still the Representativ e s of the people. W°ere •most sad were eat , denied that a Meeting to consider of a Reform of Par. desirous of enquiry. liament was illegal; bet even if it bad been se, they Earl GREY said, be meant Co aspersion ea the, might to have dispersed it by legal tams ; by reeding character of the Magisttstes had la that ; bat he wishe noshesdo ee on it sh e Riot Act in the first instance publicly, of obit* peeved, that ty gy they had beard nothing. When , un der such circus,. the letter of the law. stances, defenceless men. women, sad children The 1.0111) CHANCELLOR said, the Man- M• 11. sdned, right end left, by a militsry fifer, (heeler Megistrates wished for enquiry into their had they not e right to call for strict sod Wotan& ass. tended; bet, for the sake of the people of the tiairy ? If they rejected this amendment, and the country. he must vivid it. No man could say that ~,dc ',ismer to it was, that Ministers have other in. such Meetings were legal, when it less held that f srms•ion, discontent would be swiveled tenfold.— numbers constituted force; sad other sorb language The ev id en c e i n on Slate T r i a ls in swell be was n o . can held, to intimidate the peaceable subjects of the gaged were made up of the Reports dhotis Houses of State. Was that English liberty ? The law now Parliaareed. These circeessiances shooed the Wen. wished for, way that If Greed Juries threw out city of 'equity, and they might therefore agree to the Bills, they were to at eer into enquiry to satisfy po. amendment wittiest pledging themselves to soy epos peter clamour. The st subject in this realm wes irk consego•nres. greater than the highest I. say other State whatever. Lord KING condemned the Noble Secretary of Prmeedissp had bees instituted to compel Mogi. c,,t, for advising the thanks of the Regent to the Orates to answer, who had refused to take deltoid. Alinchester Magistrate*, on the evidence and testi. liens. If that was right , wh y institute for malty of Mr. Hay, himself one of those very Magi. enquiry; and if wrong, why interfere with the pro strates. What was to be said of the jadgment of cording' now going on is the Court of King's tho Magistrates, who did not prevent a Meeting Beech on this .abject? lie was sorry to find Magi. which they believed le be illegal; or, at all events, strafes missing ever pablications which they ought to •hy did they not order the emotion of their ear. have takes satin of. Much had been said of mot rants before the Meeting took place, instead of taking reading the Riot Act. Before the 9th of George I. persons from the midst of it, in order to Jaime the they had laws ta disperse unlawful Assemblies; and minds of the people? That these disturbances arose that Act only made all felons who did not disperse from distress, was evident; for ist the districts of an boor after the reading of that; bet slid not &bro. the iron manufactories, which were such less de. gate the powers vested by the Common Lan in the pressed than those of the woollen esseofactutes, no Magietrates. It was his clear, distinct, end Imes. sorb discontent prevailed. They ought, therefore, lilted opiaiou, that, according to every principle of while they acted with beleming firmness, to act with the English Law, that Meeting at Manchester was an mildness also. Ministers would admit no Reform; illegal Meeting. Ilse Radlcels wished for complete Reform; others Lord ERSKINE said, that he was in Bloomsbury. wished for moderate Reform, by correcting abases square in the year 1790, jest before Lotd Mansfield's gradually, and by deprivin rotten boreegbs of their home was burned down. Ile hod arms, and should heat hises whenever they should be found to have have used them, had the mob attacked hiss ; but who actor, enrreptly. Stich en one was he; end he also would say that that mob at that lime was similar to wished all ennecessery expenditure to tri cut down; that of a Meet* for • redress of grievances. foe he believed that the mere grant of 10,0001. a The Mamas of LANiDOWN said, if no other year to a son for attending his father, had dose mach person would, he should, in $ short time, move for harm, sled produced great discontent in the peblic so enquiry into the state of those distresses is the mind. Nothing cold 0101, alienate the piddle mlod country which had gives rise to so Deny dreadful from Pullman slself, than Its showier' its smell. occurrences. Ile costa not bet empress his abhorrence tingtoste'le esquire into all species of injustice and of the mischievous sad systematic attempts which abuse. Ile thereon, regretted that any circumstance have for the last two years been made to turn the tler Amid occur to lessen the maiden. of the people people of this matey against the Constitution. That In tie Governmeot or CoaNitutiun of the aseetry. sena profession of political faith, which every public The Earl of CARYSFORT seid, it was impossible man was celled upon to make; end, in bin opinion, that soils Meeting* could be legal, whets they were so public men was worthy of a share le the stabile assembled for ;serpents hostile to all property mad confidence, if be did not make it. But, while they, private security; end, indeed, to all the porpoise for showed the people they were not asleep at their which men have arrill to enter into Nadal loniety.— posts. still they ought not to proceed to measures of It was, therefore, their ditty to assist Goverommat, in violence, bet to tech conciliatory conduct as would orrl,.r to mist those who by their arts would Weer allay the ferment which one sewn the country.. the minds of the people, and would see them for their Ile blamed the Noble Viscount (Sitlmooth) for e ~ !s in destroying every institetios in the country.— receivitig the es.perfe statements of two of slime Ile contended that there was no preface for this Magistrates into whose contlect enquiry was ' , ought gretikation of rash sod to be made, and thee turning round sort ohms toe the his duty, as a subject I tight a any person in the coon'', forming an opinion red for devotion to civil 1 on this subject. hereon. he (the Noble Virroant) had nefarious attempts; and it made up Ms mind as to the correctness of the c o nduct 1 ' (Nicer, and el every of these Magistrates. Ile felt with the Noble Viscount, . the amp, if they va• that the character of the Mikis , rates required. i n these or eves the safety Idengerees der, to be upheld; bet Is knew of so. h a ve been aid by Lord thing so likely to hring their authority into coliteutitt. of libelling Grand 'es to show test they mig'.t use a discretionary poem, eoeld not violates them without being responsible to Pediment for she in. have said of the power of discreet or improper use of their authority. A Meet. such n ;..ifere) i'z vs sod n';nss r 'nigh! baciose illegal by cumulative circenistances ; hat still it was Is be dispersed by legal means; and if an., lawful measures word resorted to, would any one soy, that enquiry should not be instituted. Ile Wooed the l t of Ilan' in the midst of es inflamed sod im merses politic Meeting, which, for sight he knew, had produced all the unhappy consequences that followed; and especially brought, for the first time for many 1 yeses, the people of this country in commit ion with' the Yeomanry. It was therefore of vast conseqseitee to satisfy the people of this country, that PirlillOPOl did set lose sight of their safety, nor forget that they owed them protection. Whatever he might think el the leaders of the Radicals, who had taken silts ntsge of the distresses if the times to prey on the people, still , the dingo/ did not proceed from them, bet from a grewieg belief io the Weds of the siddlieg classes, Bat the lestitetions of the casuistry were not sof& Ideally perfect to secure their interests. It was oily by inspiring cosfidmice in these Institistions, IMO they vivid aspect to soused I. the present swim. toms crisis; or save the coestry from falling late dm heeds of wicked end fectionsmen. By each means, sod by shook)g that jostice and protection should bees. Seeded to all wittiest distinction, that the ceen•ry (meld be saved from rule and destruction. Bet Go vernment was gide' most cease for discontent, wheel it withdrew from a highly respectable Nobleman Nei cenfidesee ;—a Nobleman, who was best csleslatell to soften down the acrimony which sight subsist besl tween the people and the Goveromeat. , Th. Earl of LIVERPOOL said, It was not Ms Intention to go at leer h at that time es the proceed- Ines at Manchester. Bet he wield defy the Noble Marquis to show him an lastest . , in which sack proceedings became the subject of Parliamentary enquiry ; and indeed be did not see how it could, ! without suspending all preceediegs in Courts of law, I which bad, in fact, not *sly Wise, but were advanc ed in a trifle of fait and jedicial intestigation. With I respect to the letter of thaskis to the Magistrates at Manchester, moistly his Majesty's Ministers seeress mach parties t. it as was his Noble Petrels (Sidmeeth). But the Goveinineut would not have been a party to 1 that letter, bad it not beets fully consist:ld, that by feels, which could eat he costromted,the voided et 1 the Magistrates was worthy of praise; mod be wield ' maintain, that there sever was a case which obtained more therm* istestigstios time did that, before dm letter was stifles which had called down the obloquy of the Noble Lords. Let any moo remember the marchleg, is military array, of bodies of 20,000 mee, some 'reed with sticks aid staves, with bassets inscribed, " Equal Represestation, or Death;' which be would not may misfile sees illegal, but treasonable, as for as attempting their mines by threats end intimidations. Rot these trete saga legal lifeetiogs. He would ask 'rheum! proceedings had token place till within these two years? There was no attempt to stifle this salter, for the Magistrate, might have been proceeded easiest either minimally or eititly. Bills were protested, sod ignored by the Grand Joey. Yet they beard Whigs wor d the sentience of Trial by Jury, from those Neill Lords who were formerly so much is the habit of eulogisiug it. The real feet seemed to be, that an attempt was made to best down the Magistrates.— He hosted list the timber of the disaffected was small; but he knew that all Revelations were pro. dead, net by the numbers of the disaffected ; bet by the fears of the loyal. The only geed they could therefore de, was to give confidence to the Magistrates, sad protection to the loyal. The Marquis of LA NSHOWN said, the opleies of the Grand Jury, as to the conduct of the Yes. musty, could Mil be a declaration of their "'please of t he Megiat t ates, under whose orders the Yemeni acted. It could he no disparagement to the Magis trates to hose a Parliamentary enqeiry into their rendoct, when it was remembered, that the lewd Provost of Edieborah, and the irst Magistrates of Scotland, bed been broiler to the bar of Poilisesest to account for their conduct. The Eell of CARNAR YON could not pee to the doctrine that to refuse all employ, end to applaud the conduct of the Magistrates, whether tight or erring, could be the proper way to slimy the danger sus discontent, which it woe admitted, prevailed in the comedy. Ministers themselves, by taking upon ! them to approve of the ceadsct of the civil and stili• Lary force at Monchesier, had gives food for that dis content and dislike of the 'misting institutions. From I ell he head oat of dem, and is diet House, there appeared to him to be the most ample green& fir en. lqeiry. The Noble Lords. who would prejudge no- . thing, had declared the Manchester WNW/ to be I illegal, end even treasonable. If so, bow did they I justify their conduct, in 'aeries Meetings, equally treasonable, having similar bassets sad deeoratiess with that of Manchester, to beheld every fortnight in Smithfield? How did Ministers justify seffories the publishing, for months. of The Matsu ' Tko Comet, The Cap of !Aborts, sod other infa mous end treasonable publications. which called on she People to take up ere!, and not surly to bring Mi nisters, bet Illustrious Persons to the scaffold ? II they have found the law es it now stands inefficiest to the correction of such abominable pioceedinge, he would agree to tat estonsioa of the law to mem the present esigency. if they foiled to lake all lawful mesas to suppress such Weems; publications, their responsibility roust be great indeed. Bet instead of prosecuting each sicked and factions characters, Ministers had wreaked their pony vengesce on a No ble Earl, "An o n ly wanted that in hallow his fame, whose only crime was a coostitetional attempt to re• new the harmony a l it) goad understanding that used to Plitt between the higher end lower orders in this country. Ile hoped thew would not perish the de. leded people, • iiitoto having Gist attempted to bring their back to a sons. of th.if dolt. Tr. ms, q , , . of BUCKINGHAM said, that he bed heard 6,011.i0u sitiat coill induce him to Bask ti.e Courts of lA* two not open la the ievestigaties of the rosolorl of the Miterliest•r Megi ; and t I.erefor• he saw no Meson for Partiliefoffery enquiry• Thal kit, ...en triisson 011..4 ; and the relights of the Iced celled a farce to delude the unwary. Wets they to pause taws they sought remedies of these put., Ishii* tiny were. ittysiring into the events at m.,, c e...tet ? Tail hurl heard the Coestitetios ii, i cooned • ith destiuctiou, and had seen persess, Ilsr••fested, sod even , sunder: d, for Irvin* their Joky.' W eir t h e y to 3,1,,e. Wore Oil found remedies for 1 t ; e ,y et a., a 1..1,1 I;.c, 0., se enquiring into the -...- . .. :leptire. but Got the Welt grs tscliovs individuals. ft Isis of le nation lono distinguisbed :.! tib,riy, to oppose sorb oefar of ' .:... 1/2.-.,i •v 4 1 lao deity of rosy Public .(: r3 N .4' isrlosidosl isi tbo land, to do .; - - / .ls ~e ' , 'Moir poperty sod Hut • i ,; .. •• • ..:_ , State. What would b -I r iX... _ . ::,. I at ;he Revolution, , t'N... , il ..*". horses* they nos ' .1t!• 10i. i . . I oeshl he hare iiiiiihiirme, .ti1,... t. : 4 : 4 : .: : rv . tr.tt.C.:l6 Ot li attk • "\ .. I le it N r 1... n *4 • ' , tents at Mortebruer ? For those r1.410111S *he 001114 oppose the seneadeurot,ireiseppott tbe ortgiost die-s. . . --- - 'the Haase Own trttidtPA— For the enalnal iwarsils. 1 i9—Noo-Gateau, 34-4 Mujo ty, Adjouraad at Ilslf. eat "rwelva. MOINE OF COMMONS. TMs day the tiession comareaced. The Metabeta began to 'Maki@ by one o'clock, sod at limey minute berme too, th. Speaker catered the linos., sad took 1 .11 Pot at tue table. At Sty minutes after ewe the Rack Rod appeared et the her, sell semi moved the Mese to the Meet of Peers, to hoar the Print• Regent's Speech. At a quarter before feet, the S;esker roomed sod took the Chair. The SPEAKER soon after Wormed the Demi , Out dorit.g thr teem he hod issued suits for the fol. losing rime' county of Rent, io the room of Sir F.. Kumtehtull, deceased; the Cow, of Herta ford, is the room of the Hun. T. Brand, sew Lord Mere; for the 11.-rnigh of Kinross, In the room of T. Graham, EN. urenssee ; for Chichester, is the room of Om F.st I of Mate., new Doke of Rietteroad for Armlet, in the room of Sir A. Piggott. &teemed and for lissbery, In tee room of the Use. Frederick Dotralass, deceased. Several sow Nevem, took the oaths and their mats. _ _ _ _ _ A new writ was mama. for Peterborough, in the room of the lion. W. Lamb, who, mace bit electioa, has steepled the Chiltern llendreds. Tim Mildewing Ortlawry Bill was read a irst, and ordered to be read a second time. The SPEAK Kit then informed 'he 11:.a t e, th a t the House bad been in the Heise of Peers, end hard Speech from the Throne, of which he bad procured a copy, and which copy be would read. 11e thew paw eemlod to read the Speech, for which see the ter& Mr.S. COCKS said, agreeing as be did in the sea. timenta contr.ined in the Speech jest read, and ap. previa* as he did the measures adopted by Ministers, be rose with pl to mete en Aildre+s is 'newer to the Speech. On the first topic contained in it, there could be no differentia of opinion, he metal in the re. vet impressed at the continuation of his Naivety's indisposition. Tho nose topic was of a diterent • He need not remind the House that they character. were assembled at so enetwal seasos, in coaseiruenie of the disterbeaces wale' had occurred in 10111111 parte of the kingdom ; nor need he remise' them that the ryes of she whole country were now, ia a particular maisenr, directed awards that House. The He. enterable Gelidness then proceeded, but in a very iadistinct tome to cowmen on the late proceedings in the disturbed districts. and to enlarge on the eactllencies of ear Constitution, and to contend shot it was one of our first dative to rally round, and de. feed that Coastitation. He thought whatever pe. litical spiels. might prevail on either side of the House, Is thia feeling sad opinion all would be ass. sitaires. lie contended that a systematic attempt had been made by certain individeals, to undermine and overthrow that Constitution.; tad all the acts and me ad upted by Miniaers, bad beets adopted with a view to the defence and support of ear Loss& tuition and old custom's. la peaceful times be wished to as. fair and open opposition to Minis. ten, and a stupid• n nn the port of the pat o. wherever their rights soul liberties were enamours, ; but at pretest he •ould ask, bad those who bad bens most promiuer.t in their opposition been ac. lusted by any Inch principles? Wes it not re. tier apparent that their object itsd been to alit. rate the affections of the people from the Goma. mein? and to effect leis °hint, was ii nor notorious that these leaders of sedition bad redied to &acne* and aggravate the distresses of the lower claims, le the senufsctufing districts ? In the costae of their proceedings. they Ir,d frequestly weed the word, " Itefores," but what did it mean? He was no enemy to moderate rational Reform ; bet the mold in the mouths of these persons, who talked of Val. vessel Suffrage and Annual Parliaments, en annuls( less than a cant term for Resolution. In the Meet. lugs which hid Ines held by these individuals, ass it net notorious that they had been insist!, organised; that the multirode bad proceeded from town to town, in systematic cider —in rearchiug order, with lap and banners bearing laseriptiens wholly inconsistent with she peace and safety of the layal and weil.dis. Paled Part of the e.tumesuoits ? Oa the subject of the transertinus which took place at Manchester, be wished to ref,ain from giving soy spinier) at pre. sent.—[;leer, heur!J—But he most be permit. led to say, that he Ills nothing in the trensactiees which inclined hies to think the engelry should be token net of the steal channel. lie was else of opi. ninn that lie individual, especially a Magistrate, should be put open his tint; gitittis upon hills returned by a Grand Jury ; and he most strongly deprecate politic opinions 'sprawled by Public Meetings epee subjects like this, whilst investigation was pending before the regales Whims's. The lion. Gentlemen then adverted to that part of the Speech which ailed. eel to the increase of oar military force. It was a of mere regret, that in • time of peace shooed a measure should be called for at hose which had a tendency to increase teeniest, bet the lois!, weil.dispesed. and peaceable part of the commenity, had a claim en as for protection ; and he could net bet consider that strong minter's lona be best cal culated to restore end preserve the peace of the country. Ile espressed his hopes that the measures already adopted by Government *cold have the de. sired effect ; and concluded by tenviag an Address, which was, es easel, us 'rho of the Speech. The lion, Mr. cusi rose to second tie Ad. dress. Ile ono for the G.st rime addrened a public assembly. Ks habits and pursuits in life, sod is profession he bad followed, bad allowed him but • small portion of time to devote to the perseit ei oratnry. he sheeld now trespass nn the linen bet a 'hoot time; end should employ that time in ergiug be the House the necessity of unanimity at this''. 'sled, when the disaffected had proceeded to acts it outrage; and who, under their leaden, •hneve- they ,Might be, bad been very successful in spit/ding their 4aischievoss.npiniens--opinions which were sable• sive of all order and govereastal, and stick *eat to insult and degrade even eon Judges on tar to well as to trample en the lasts is:vidt Owe .14cidea we., in aderisii•tor. Opiniol,4. el.irh d+- clued that the who:e saroctscy was r •I • I:.t, s.d S