The Statesman. — London, England, 1819-06-19 00:00:00

i lk 11th, 1 I said PY THE STATF-SMAN. •ntil the Ministers bed tried the experiment of re ttenehesont. Mr. W. LAMB that it was impoesiblo not to peocoite that the dodos were itoposoul els articles of grorril toe s he had almost said upon the very ones aities of life. Ile by a. swans intended to object to the searrot principle on which those duties were prwed : in grueral they fell as lightly, and were as fairly divided, as soy duties could do; but when they been.. oz.:Woof, they are not only productive' of great Inenavoniencs to those on whom they fall, Mt also of great debasement and adolteration of the article on which th►y are imposed. On these grounds is should oppose tits supply, eves if it torte 'alai- Pito to roles It at the present moment. Besides, in the lersing of uses, it was very requisite to consider , what tumid be the effect of them on the popular mind: now ha thought that the object of these lazes was liable to be misrepresented ; nay, that they might, even if represented in their real colours, be the subject of groat public odium, and that, instated of producing energy and vigour In the country, they twight proileer very general despondency and dismay. Ho bad hoard Gentlemen on the opposite Ale of the llamas affirm, that if a financial @lron was to be made by the country, it could never be so advantageously or so generally called forth as by some tat founded on the system of a tat upon properly. For his own part, he was well aware that this great r 00000 es ought -to be reserved for the esigencirs of war, but our es•ra• ordinary situation in peoce, (and a now and eat taut. dinary ono indeed It was,) appeared to him such as to distend oar having 'moors* tosoms such measure. A slight proportion of the Property Tat 'cold leave a sufficient resource to the try, in CM we should unfortunately be called upon to engage once more in Lord JOHN RUSSELL then rose. We regret to say, that the Noble Lord spoke in a tone of voice in low, that we enfold not hear his observations dis tinctly in the gallery; end that in same instances, where we caught the commencement of his sentences, ve entirely lost tbe„conclosion of them, from the in which he dropped his voice in closing them. The Noble Lord then entered into some de tails regarding the manner la which the National Debt had increased to 8-10,000,0001., and the changes which had acetified in the Sinking Fend sine* its Institution, end maintained that there was no /weenies , for our rotting apart 5,000,0001. for it, as • less sons would show that we had feuds seScieet for the maintenante of another war, if we were unfor tunately dragged into one. With regard to the par. Costar taxes proposed, he would ask whether they ware not tales wpna necessary commodities? If they were, they were well calculated to be Injorioes to the lower orders, inasmuch tvefery tat which affects the necessaries of life 'fedi thole who employ the poor, end consequently diminishes their means of paying them for their services. Soch misery mast uaturolly lead to the debasement end degradation of the hardy peasantry ohthe country. Mr. RICARDO maintained, at some length, that the idea of there being a Sinking Fund was nothing but a 4 1 elesion. One ob ion, however, he must make, that lazes for necessaries did not fell so mach upon the laboesing damn as open those who paid t hem. Mr. LAM R explained. Mr. I.IROUG iIA M cont r led the a•'ertiena which Mr. Lamb bad made regarding Mr. Foa, and spoke in fawner of the amendment. Lord COMPTON esplahred ; after which, cries for the geestion becoming very general, the Horse ditided on the amendment— Aye.. SO I Non. US 1 Majority, 119. The House then resolved itself into a Committee. On oar re-admission into the gallery, after the question that the Bill be reed s first end second time, we found the CHAIRMAN suggesting, that as it was rmw proposed to read the Bill, cleave by clean, k might save the time of the Committee lobe in formed, whether any Hon. Gentleman Wended to oppose it ? Mr. BRAND said, there was one deuce which be wished to be emitted altogrther.—(it was then reed by the Chairman, and treat to empower Excise Decors to tete en 'cermet of ell melt on hind, in the possession of enlisters, brewen, kc. on end after the sth of Jely ) _ Mr. BRA N Li had en objection' to the whole of thin clause. Although he was aware that former prece dents might authorise the taking so account of stock, fur the purpose of taking the duty, yet in the pre. sent case it was, be thought. from the cireemstances of the times, impooible. When molting first bega n burley was thee of more valise than the asenefactered article was now. Ile understood from such returns as he had been able to collect, that the duties to be I taken on the oath on hand would rodeo, above 2,000,0001.; where., the Right non. the Chancellor of the Eschequer had calculated them at only 1,400,0001. At any rate be ahoald propose, and be should hope, that if the Right lion. Gentleman carried his clause, he would defer the time of m oment to the latter end of the year. That part of this tan wee unnecessary, he contended, because it would yield a greater automat thee he (the Chancellor of the &charter) had calculated open. There Dever, he repeated, was a period at which the distress, the misery, and the burdens of the People, rendered such a measure more severe; and be trusted that the Right Ifoot. Gentleman would, at least, teach them with as lenient a hand so possible. Mr. C. CA LV ERT said, that in the Bill, as it was now worded, the soalisters were called on to give so account of their stock on hand ; this he malatalued they weld net do. Mr. lIAILT DAVIS hoped Ministers would lake their case into consideration. Mr. C. CALVERT was sere that the object con. templated was of impossible attainment. There were several senators io the country, who bad very large quantities by them ; bet he knew one in particular, who had at present No less than 10,000 'patters of malt on hand ; end that he, for instance, should be able to calculate what might be the increase, was ma. Wholly impossible. All that they ought to be called upon to do was to level the malt, so that the Escise OlScer, by gaging it, might be able tell the quan ,. Mr. BERNAL opposed the clans. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER rid, he bed endeavoured to auessesedete the erode of tread to the circumstances of the times as fu as it could possibly be done. (lien the Right lino. Gen. !lessen byelaw allanst inaudible In the gallery, so that we Isere prevented from collecting some of the de tails labia appvered to follow.) It bad been or. ranged, that the duty of Is. 2d. should be paid :- IM first instalment of 2d. in Notember. the second of 3d. in December, the third of 441. in January, sot the fourth M sd. la February sad March. Mr. CAI.VERT wished to understand whether he had collected filthily from what the Right lion. Gentlemen had jest said, that he world be willing In meet an application from the maltsters for • farther eateasion of the esisting periods of payment? Tim CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER, we understood, to express his dissent. Mr. CALVERT said, that the total amount of these Duties would be somewhere about 2.300.0001. The Right lion. Gent. hail said, be should raise by tketa only 1,400,0001. Now, the qoantity of malt made depended on the quality end abundance of bar. ley. It appeared to him, that the Right lion. Gen. tleman would raise, as port of the 3,190,0001. est,i g h he was proposing to raise, not only the 1,400,0001. of his original 'alienate, but a further sum of 900,0001. Mr. II USKISSON defended the principle of the defy. Mr. LYTTFLTON opposed the at altogether. If they most be driven to a tat at all, h• should vote for • Prop►rty Tat. more anodltird and pro perly digested. If Hon. Gentlemen, however, ep. pesky, thought that he would do this oncondit;on ally, they were mistskert : what be nseset was this : that he should prefer a Property T•t to one auto sivrly offectiog the poor. Mr. RICARDO again maintained, that the tee upon necessaries did not fall so immediately open the poorer classes. Mr. Lytlelton, Mr. Brand, and another Member, said each a few words he explanation, which ware nut audible in the gallery. Mr. BROUGHAM tugged against the semity of theta:, as far as it went to impose a dety epos the stock of melt on hand. Mr. C. CALVERT also argued spinet the tasa. don of thy stock on hand. Mr. HUSKI:SOY contended, that if the duty were net laid an the stock on hand, it would give an unfair advantage to the holder of it above the power of the present crop. Mr. S. WORTLEY thought as the stock on hand was purchased et a very high price, it would be Inn severe to increase the hoiden on the holder, by the addition of a as upon it. After a few words from Lord ALTHORP, which were wholly iosedible to es, Lo►d CASTLEREAGH supported the clans , . A MEMBER, whose same we caeld not learn, reed a letter from a brewer. complaining of she loss which persons in that trade wield sustain by the is. M►. T. WILSON (as no understand)did not eon. siclor the as eure■sousble as applying to brewers or salt:tors. Mr. J. P. GRANT tbeeght the waster was cur. gain cf a loss on his present stock. Mr. C. CALVERT eaplaioed. l The CHANCELLOR of the EXCIIII. Ea could not agree with the opinion that the e of the tea would be to drpr:rlate properly of lb oil. Mr. Alderman WAITIIMAN declared t he was averse to the tax altogether, on the ground of its pressers upon the lower orders. . .. . . Mr. lIICAKDO admitted that If the mallster coeld charge the tau upon the price of the enmmo. dity, he could have no claim for relief. Ile under. stood, however, that this was not the ease in the present slate of the meeker. Mr. C. HUTCHINSON observed, that Its great presser, meat be open the poorer classes, seemed to him evident. II the sitestion of bellied were venal dered, both the health and snorais of the People must be improved by a redaction io the prices of malt liquors. Mr. lIAItT DAVIS said a few words is favour of the chow Mr. WESTERN thought the Committee shoold not overlook the peculiar circumstances in which the sieltster wee pieced. The question was then put, that the clause should stand part of the Bill. and carried in the affirmative. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER., in moving to 611 up the blanks in the clause which fol lowed, proposed that 3d. per butsbet, is part payment of the new duty, should become slue on the 10th of, November nest; 3d. further on the 10th of January, 18W; 4d. on the 10th of Febt vary ; sod the reside* ors the 10th of April. Mr. BRAND espressed a wish, on the part of s considerable number of persons Interested, that the 6rst payment should be made in December. The CH ANC ELLOR of the IC H EQU ER said, that it was Impossible to accede to this delay, without likewise postponing the period of 6oal paynaret. On its being understood that this was the class* which provided for lasing the stoat io band, a di. vision took place— For the dame. 175—Against h, 67-118jetitY• 108. On our re-admission to the gallery, we found the CHAIRMAN moving to report progress, and ask leave to sit spits the same oveolog. The Hesse having mussed, a message from the Lords acquainted it that their Lordships had marred to the Loam Bill and the Ileeduras Murder Bill, end had likewise passed a Bill for ladeureifying witnesses who might give evidence rospectieg the Barnstaple Election, is which they required the concurrence of that Home. On the motion of Mt. WYNN, the Bill was read a first sod second time, and orders/ to be committed on Monday. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER moved, that t►e House should again resolve Itself into a Committee on the new Excise Dodos Bill. The nest clause way that which related to Coffee, and which raised the ditty on low-pricad coffee from 71d. to Is. per lb. Mr. J. P. GRANT rose, merely to apply to this branch of the new duties the same observations which had been applied to the foregoing, that it fell with most 'earthy on the poorer classes. Coffee, it was well known, had not ken greenfly drank provioes to t►e late reduction of duty. He should move, therefore, to Insert in the class. the old dot' , of 711; but without soy intention of dividing the Cent whim. after the eaperieece which he hid had of Its dirpniiiien. The motion was 'quilted without a division, and the clause as originally proposed agreed to. On the clam imposing an additleasi defy of IL 23. on every bushel of Malt from the sth of July, making the whole duty per bosh., 31. 6d., a divisioe took place, whim 'hire appeared— For oar claw, 111 I eltgatooi Majority le. The clause imposing en additional defy on British Spirits was aimed to withiset a division. On this clause ins/basing an additional Each. Doty 1 of 4 per cent. on Tea being read, several Members spoke arvinit it. Mr. BIRCH opposed the duty. He said that it would principally fall on the poor, whose only solace the article was when deprived of meet. lie thought the Chancellor of the Exchequer should, by lowering the duty on Freida nines, and thus in. creasing their consumption, raise the sem which this additional tea would predece, without burden ing the poor classes. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCIIEQUER replied, bet his observations were not beard in the gallery. Mr. ELLICE contended, that the additional duty would not produce an edditionel retests,. . Mr. Iles; e, Mr. Harvey, Mr. Hurst, and Mr. Benuqhsra. obj►ct►d to the tart. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER esplain►d. Mr. LITTELTON ask►d the Chanc►llor of the Exchequer what sees was especial to b► raked by this les, and ohs' certainty there was that the sem 'veld be r►alized ? Mr. W A I I'll M AN opposed the additional dole. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER espleined. Mr. LYTTELTON declared his intention to di. tide the Hoes.. unless the Right Hon. Geot. would eloind.in the additional duly ou the coarser deacrip. lions ate'. Mr. MONEY made a few obserratiose is reply to Mr. flume's r►marks. Mr. S. WOR ['LEY bnped t►at the Chancellor et Me &c►equer would give way on t►is tat, since it could not, at all events, add math to t►e revenue. Mr. SCARIErf aught that a small diminution of t►e duty on tea wield increase t►e remise at pre sent derived from it. Strangers were then ordered to withdraw, and the gallery was nearly cleared for a diri.ion, when Mr. T. W11.%0N proposed. as an amendment to the clause—" That 96 per cent. be paid on all teas sold et the sale, at or coder 21. per lb. ; and 100 per gent. on ell sold for more than 41. per lb." The CHANCELLOR. of the EXCHEQUER en press►d his willingness to adopt this proposition.— The Right llonourable'Meson stated, In answer to a question put by a Member, that a great deal of tea was sold at the India-booso not only soder 25., bet under Is. 6,1. The clause ► as amended ► was then unanimously agreed to. _ . The !loose rtleettd. and the Report WIN Ordered to be recoiled nn Monday. 441'0‘4%* DUTIES BILL. The CHANCELLOR of tilt EXCHEQUER epged tie Oder of tb. Day for the Herm resole. ism 'itself Into a Committee► on the Customs' Duties Bill. Mr. ELLICE 'wished to know, if It wee Intended to Icy an orldisionsi tat on sugar. The CHANCELLOR of Oa EXCHEQUER 'sill, it was not his inieutiou to propose any altera tion in th• autsr•illties. Mr. BROUGHAM spoke on the subject; sad Mr. ELLICE explained. Mr. Alderman WAITIIMAN asked the Chan• cellar of the Eschews, whether I. the consolida tion of the Cestoms Ditties he had net Included some Wsr Ditties that woeld not expire nett )ear. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER replied in the neptive; and after *few remarks hoes Lord MILTON end several other Members, t►e Home went into a Committee on the Bill. _ On the clause being pet, which proposed a defy of 6d. per lb. on Sheep's Wool and lamb's Wool, im ported from' any part of Europe on end after the sth of October, 1818, sod from any other part of the world on and after the sth of January, 18W. Lord MILTON said, of all the new duties which had been imposed, there was none so impolitic, none so injurious to the mansfsetstes of the country, as the lien tea upon Wool. the staple of England. To such an extent had the Chancellor of the Escbequer carried this system of taxation, that he seemed to have ascertained precisely what was the minimum of vital air open which the commerce of the country could exist ; het It would be discovered too late that the Right lion. Gentlemen had over-reached himself, and that, instead of increasing the Revenue, he had de stroyed the trade of the country. sod bad allowed foreigner', taking advastage of the dilapidated state of sec commerce. to seep those profits which ought to have fallen into British bands. Ile pet it to the Right lion. Gent.candidly,'whetket he really thought this a proper opportenity to impose a tat which would be felt by every class of the community ? When the Poor Rates were iocreased to 50s. an acre io some parts of the country, end when such was the impo verished state of commerce at this moment, a man by hard labour in a 'manufactory, working between 14 and 16 hoers a day, could not gain more than 10s. a week, was it jest to lay new beriberi' upon the People? Such a measure might indeed bring a few. more pounds into the Eschews, but it would have the effect of losing the affections of a loyal sad 'suffering People. This reflection was rendered the more melancholy, whoa he Word that en actual in. erase of salaries had taken place of officers wader the employment of G meet, of 108,0001. the greeter part of which was in the Customs. Ile ear. neatly recommended the Right Hon. Gentleman to withdraw this most unwise end impolitic measure. • Mr. %V FSTERN spoke in favour of the has. Mr. DICKINSON thought that it was impossible to manufacture our woollen cloths without a certain portion of foreign wool, and that this addittoost tag would have a most injurious effect. Mr. HUSKISSON supported the bas. Mr. STU A RT WORTLEY thought this the most detrimental tea that amid be imposed. Mr. UOLME SUMNER expressed his approba. Lion of the too, as a protecting duty to the agri celtatists. Lord LASCELLBS rygordrd dill tax as of ~t es. seasonablv. hopolaile, Mr. 'bake inllitour of .be lac Mr. LI - ITIGTON bogged pßitiewi•ei t in re. mark open sbo Fertility etnurdily of la)ind s t at r , lb. manufacturing interns at this rtleis, when the Poor !Wet were enormously incrested. ell y. been so raked by distress, sod this tits went to les- UM. ibis di•lre•'. Mr. 1 ) 1111.1.11'.4, after •.Ruing el sent► Nevi, against the nal, which pre.s of mistier slot.* pi... tents from issertinn„ coneleded his speeds by Plying, that the Of•OSUIO now proposed to lb. ifoose onold„ if psserd into a law, not only pros. most hostile to the m•nafaetering interests, bat %retold elan prose in its ultimo., eonsegrenco In be no less deigime n t i t to the sorieoltoral interests of the enontry. When Mr. Phillips had eonetoded his speech, airs of question, question, and scillidrine, withdraw, re. loaded from several pawls of the 11.sus•. the Mee were. however, set by those of " Hart •hs, in consequence roao, and argued at souse length against the inannsitinn of these tasty. Mr. EVAN. (we believe). though be bed sap. ported the Ministry doling the war, and 'bough bap was not •milling to support new uses. still felt It bis duty to enter his most solemn protest spinet the pret•nr tat —(Qoest ion, question!) Mr. T. W11.10:SI (Lesdon), assured the MOP, that when be informed them that he intended to say only a few word., he intended in adhere strictly to his preed-e. The words he had to suer were his downright abhorrence cf the sac now proposed. The question being spin called celled for, the Hoe** divided -1?..r the Tat. Airtime it. to Slaierlty ter It. 4'l The LIIAIRNIAN toen reported progreu, and roweled leave to sit again. The Charitable Foundations' Amendment Dill was read a first and wend rime, and ordered to be read a third time on Friday twit. The [loose then resolved Itself Into a C0111114(Ips on the Irish Fisherios Bill ; and the Report was or. tiered to he received on Monday nest. On the motion of Sir GEORGE HILL, Hulloes, screed to resolve itself into a Committee es the Grand J ur y It r .r t roimoor. Bill on Monday nest. The Warden a the Fleet Prison 1111 was read a third time and rus,ed ; as were tie SA Apprentices' Bill, and the Peer Laws' Amendment Bill. iR1:11 SMALL DMILLERY BILL. Mr. SH All hoped the Itight Hon. the Chou:elk, of the Ezebogoet 000ld not post Ibis abject is late in she S. s4lnn. The CHANCELLOR of do EXCHEQUER felt hi■self bound in faith and Moamar to proceed is it as early as possib!.. Af•er same enntersatioa between Mr. Shaw, Mr. Daly, Colunel Barry, sad Mr. Musell, the Report was ordeted to No takes tato farther tonsideraties oa Wednesday neat. _ _ The Ileum having= • deterullnition to re. tole, itself into • C. of Woy lied Mesas es Slonday neat, The other Orders of the Day were disposed of, end the Homo' adjourned at a Qtartet post Tim o'Clotk. MADRID. liar 30. The following Is a very Interesting article, sad drawn up with great truth : " Since the time when Ferdinand and Isabella be. gao to create in Spain • military marine, It never has been In so deplorable a state as it is at Ibis moment. In order to form so ease idea of the state of things, we mast go bark to the year 1796, when King Charles IV. bad the Inconceivable veal:nese to conclude an offensive and &females Milne* aide the French Republic; it is from dot Instant that all the misfortunes of our Navy are to be dated. It was then composed of 85 ships of the litre, of which 20 carried from 80 to 130 guns. Stitt, Were woolly In commissioo, and most of the rest capable of being repaired. The infantry of the maniere consisted of 11 battalions, each of 1000 Ines; and the artillery of tO brigades, making WOO mete ef fective. The three military posts of Cadiz i Carthagena, and Ferrol, had immense docks, arsenals, and maga zines, amply furnished with every thin; necestary for the Berlin , of the Navy. TLa hose of Carfare, in particular. were admired by all strangers who vi sited them. Our alliance with France, end be unjust invasion, which was one of the fatal consequence, of it, have destroyed every thing. Oar Navy hes been annihilated, our arsenals are empty; and there Is not timber sufficient in the arsenal to build four ships of war. The infantry and artillery of the marine have been employed in the defence of the mown and nothing remains of those fine corps but the miteralie wrecks The department of Ferrol receipt(' from N excellent oak timber for the NirY those of Cadiz sod Cirthagena found the same resource in the foot kingdoms of Aodslosia : now thee* fine forests may be said to Ise van- Whited. The island of Cuba furnished a great quantity of cedar, which was employed at IA Carnes. This resolute has now failed, bevies* we bate not the means of conveyanc*; and oho privateers who infest the seas render it still more di'. kelt. On the other band, the Datch brought as from the North, masts, hemp, and other *flick,. These arrival, have become very rare. Thee, be • eerie, of unhappy circumstances, the Spanish narks in a state of ruin, which it will be very difficalt ever to repair. Hence the G ment has been obliged to apply to Raffia for some vessels, for the great U. pedition. Untnippily this assistance has net ea' awned the expectations that were formed of it: these vessels, is spite of all the repairs they have seder. I gone, are very ill built. Stich are the noses which bare delayer' for above a year the departure of the grand expedition for South America. Posterity will ' hardly hugest, that the armament of a squadron hes cost more trouble, leboor, and embarrassment, ii-,e would have lefficed, 10 years ago, to trod fifty ships of the line and thirty frigates from our ports." JIVER ILiN PAPERS. The Americans sees as ouch divided 'boat the nature ..f national resources, sr our ewe &sews are ahoy' the right method of levying lases. Snore of them persist that the wealth of the State tourists in the prosperity of agriculture cod commerce, and that