The Statesman. — London, England, 1819-06-29 00:00:00

greet write, the same Noble Lord bad afterwards made malty touching appeals to the feelings of the Hour, regerding the necessity of preventing OS, couture's hom embarking in a cause to which it was certain that they must alternately fall a sacrifice. Ile mild not help saying that be was much astonish. ed at this i isteney in the Noble Lord's tree aunts, as also at the very extraordinary mode in which he had made ■n appeal to their Lordships' feelings t having marshalled all the Dutch and Ger man jurists in his reeks, having turned ell the scraps and quotations which could be taken from them to the very best use to which ingenuity could turn them, he had made en address to the feelings of their Lord ships, In order to attract them to that side against which all their wivhes most naturally be directed : fur he had, In a contest of millions struggling for liberty againat lb. m o ot debased sod arbitrary despot that ever exited—be had, in a struggle betwees tl.e UtPrillfli of the rights of humanity and that Sovereign • lio had promulgated the re-establish ment, though torture was abolished in every coin try of Europe, eacept indeed a remnant of it were to be found in the kingdom of Ilenever— (lfeer!)—he lid endeavoured to excite their pas. Muria In support of the cause of tyranny, whilst he ►ad endeavoured to damp them iu behalf of the cause of freedom. He thought that upon such a subject the Noble Lord ought not to have bad recourse to my declamatory topics, or, at least, that he ought not le have recourse to such trpies us were ululat ed to propagate an ides that the infasiou of British valour and discipline into the American army would loud to a more fierce sad sanguinary termination of the struggle than weed otherwise take place. —Now, if be knew any thing of the valour and discipline of a Bri.;sh soldier, the infusion of those civilities of which he was in possession, into the bosoms of the American Insurgents, would lead to a more fair . , • more mild, and a more equit able coultssios of the quarrel. If their Lordships should pus the present Bill into a law, they would pus a law which would not merely he iojarioes to li berty ire get eral,bat to the interests of Great Britain in particular ; and which, at the same time that it would Note es, would not be productive of any ultimate advastage to that Power in whose behalf it was in leaded to operate. As soon es Lord Csroarvoo ►ad taken big seat, a cry of Question arose, and we had nearly left the House, when we were recalled to it by the following motion of Lord Ilollaod : Lord HOLLAND wished to know whether any demand had been mad* by Spain for an alteration of our laws upon this subject, end whether the Noble Loud would have any objection to the production *fibs Correspondence which had passed bew.en the Eng. fish and Spanish G overtimeots regarding it?—He also -wished to know, whether the Noble Earl would ob ject to the production of all the Licences granted by an Order of Council, permitting esportatiun of arms, *c. to Old Spain ? The Earl of HARROWBY bad no objection to the production of the licences which bad been greet ed up to the remit year. Lord HOLLAND wished to know, whether the Noble Earl intended him to understand, that a* cu.' sespoodence had taken place between Ike two Go. •ernments upon this subject ? The Earl of LIVERPOOL could only repeat that there had 'ma no demand made by the Spanish Goveromut on this oecasioe; there certainly had bees won representations mad*, but nothing in the shape of a demand. Neither bad this Act originated from any hint given at Congress. He mast observe, that no satisfactory ground had been stated by the Noble Baron for the production of the correepood eoce to which be bad alluded. Lord HOLLAND said, that be should take ano ther oppertsoity of moving for the correspondence which be wished to sea. . . Strangers were ordered to withdraw, and the Nome then divided on Lord Holland's amendmvot : Cnllteels Prelim, 27—Prosier, SD 47 MoseCootems 4l—Prithies, SI lut Majority against the motor The Bill went tkroogb a Committee, and levy or. desed to be read a third tine (as wo understood) to. !morrow. - - - ne maw then adjourned atlialf-past it o'Cock. HOUSE OF COMMONS. The hem met ibis day at two o'clock, masts' 40 soda. --- Mr. Clark, from the Privy Council Mice, pre. seated an account of the Resident find Non.residehi Incumbents in the Dioceses of Ireland, for 1314 and 1815.—Ordered to lie on the On the motion of Lord J. RUSSELL ' the house cesolvrd itself into a Committee ou theGrampeurd &arty all. Mr. Tweed examined.—Was a Candidate at the kw Election for Grampnund. Ile directed Mr . A. Lamb to object to some of the votes, because be believed they bed been bribed. Many of the Elec. Sore admitted that they bad received the mosey. lie spoke to Sir M. Lopez on this subject. Mr. R. MARTIN objected to asking what the conversation between the witness sad Sir M. Lopes was. Mr. W. WYNN defended the question, as per ;lcily legal. Witness recalled.— He showed Sir M. Lopes a list of names of voters, and seen of money opposite to them ; and Sir M. admitted it to be correct. Witness indicted& certain number of the voters, and Sir M. Lopes as well. Ms proceeded against 26 of the voters sod convicted 24 of them. Ile desired that the bribery oath should be administered to the voters, but it was not. He did not mean to bring up the Persons convicted of bribery, until this Hoese should determine something with respect to the state of the Borough. The list be received gave sums of 1501. to 351. to malty of the voters, sad it was out denied.— Ile received 4,7001. to pay his Solicitor's bill, pro vided be quashed his Petition. Mr. Teed, jar,. was nest riamieed.—lfe was at the Grampoend Election. He knew o f no procoe d. Sep het what were communicated to biro as Counsel ; and be sebmitted to the Committee whether be ought Se diverse/. it. 'r So Witness was ordered to withdraw. Mr. Teed, pen. was then called in, and asked w h ether h e h a d s yy objection to his son's disclosing any of these proceedings? fie said, he would leave THE .STA'I4nIIIAN. that to his too's discretion. He hid no objection oil his own account to his disclosing f•Pry thing. Mr. Teed, jot. was again called in, and said be hart so objection to answering ill. questions. The Committee was then pustp..nerl till tu...nwereose• Mr. W. WYNN thought while this e tiou was going on, they ought to seat at two, instead of three o'clock. Mr. F. ROBINSON saw ap objection to it. Mr.,BROGDEN brought op the iteriri of tier Cotton-factories Bill. The amendments weir agreed to, and the Bill ordered to be reed a third time to morrow. The Wit 11,9 1 ,1 6. Indemnity Bill was read a third time ■nd passed, afitr a few observations from Mr. R. MARTIN and Mr. W. WYNN. Mr. C. GRANT moved for an Estimate of the Grants for the Miscellaneous Services in 'reload for tho last and present year ; which he hi ought up, and they were ordered to be laid en the table. The Anneal Accounts Bill was read a ascend time, and ordered to he committed to-morrow, as wets the Supervisors of Eacime sod Cod Fishery Bawdy Bills. Mr. CALCRAFF asked what the eaters of the Bill was ? Mr. BROGDN nid, -be relieved it made no al teratioo in the etistiag law. . Mr. GALCItAre said, *beer Gentlemen only stated what they believed, it was the duty of the floes, to know whet the mesrurrs were which were harried through the lions* at this late period of the Session. There were 54 motions and 11 made.e ow the paper for thin night. Mr. ROBINSON said this was an annual Bill. The New Forest Bill went through a Committee, and was ordered to be reported on Wednesday. The Customs Foreign Wstes lull wes read a se cond time, end ordered to be committed to-morrow ; as were the Plate Glass, the Crown Glass, the In. land Cool, the Appropriation, the Spirits Intercourse, the Coal Drawbacks, the Militia Pay, the Irish Mili tia Pay, the Annual Excise Duties, and the Vessels Cargoes Report, 13111 s. The Report of the Sweet end Midi* Win.. Act woe brought op, the Resolutions egr•ed to, and a Bill ordered to be brought i•• accordingly The Report of the Coffee expried Customs Du ties Act was brought up, and a Bill ordered to be brought in, perseant to the Itiso:utions of the Com- Ware. The Irish Chana►y Courts Bill neat through a Committee, and was ordered to br reported to-mer• His blajesty's Property Bill wee reed a second tine, sod ordered to be committed to•taorrorr. The Report of the Tobacco Importation Bill was ordered to be brought op, abd the Bill re-committed, and ordered to be reported to-morrow. Mr. W. WYNN gave notice, tbat he would to. morrow move an instruction to the Attorney. Gene. mil, to protocols certain person for bribers and cor ruption at (Isolate Grampoond Flimflam. MOCK AUCTIONS BILL. Mr. Alderman WAITHMAN them moved that the Haase do resolve itself Into a Committee on the Mock Auctions Bill. Mr. CALCRAFT would not have objected to the Bill if it only went to prevent Mock Auctions.— He thought some of the litic. He moved that the Mese resolve itself into the Committee on this day sic months. Mr. Alderman WAITHM A N maintained, that the Bill had received the approbation of the late Mr. Whitbread, as far as it respected Mock Asc. dens: be had opposed it only because he thought it 'would interfere with the sale of estates. In its pre stitt shape the measure had received the sanction of the Chancellor of the Eschequer, and it applied only to household furniture and manufactured goods, 'Oboist interfering with farming-stock or landed property. He had no objection to modify the class* regarding the sale of goods belonging to Auctioneers, by allowing it when it was drily specified in the eats. logic. Mr. Aldermen WOOD said, that it was impossi ble to get at the persons who put forward these Mock Auctions: the chief evil was, that the buyers did not get the goods which were slimed, and which they imagined they lied perchased. A division took place on the amendment of Mr. C.alcraft. The numbers were:— For the amentintent. 29 i Against it, 47. When we were re-admitted, we found the Horne in a Committee on the Bill. A discussion took place between Lord Lowther, Mr. Alderman Weithinan i Mr. Catcraft, Mr. Calvert, Mr. F. Lewis, and Mr. F. - _ Robinson. The gallery was cleared for a division on the clause (as we understood) relative to sue. tioneers petting their own goods Into sales. Siren. gers wets secluded for nearly so beer. The am. hers ware:— Mr. CALCRAFT enquired whether it was pro. NEW that any s•ennd ►Report ironic! -be promoted doting the present Session from she Commissioners Si). pointed to cengider of the most effectual means of preventine the Forgers. of Bink.noto.. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER replied, that considerable progress hsd been made in accomplishing lb. object of the Commission, bat he was not able to state when a farther Report would be in readioess. The Mum 'hen resolved itself into a Committee on the Welch Gams Bill, and after having heatil it read paragraph by paragraph, ordered tbs Report to be received to•eaorrorv. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER moved, that the Hobo should resolve itself iuto s Committee of Supply. GENERAL BOYD. Mr. WILBER FORCE took this common of sob. witting the case of General Boyd to the consideratiou of • Committee of the whole Mom This Geolle. man had beim in the military service of the Nisam, at the period of Lord Wellesley's edoinistretion in lodic At that time he signalized himself most benefieially for err Interests is defeating the lot threes and machinations of the French.— On one occasion he had been soddenly called erne et the hour of midnight to march with his whole strength to the assistaoce of the British Commander, who was apprehensive of an immediate attack by the French forces. With this request General Boyd complied, and the value of his compliance had been acknowledged in the most handsome terms; it had been represented to the Sept... Government, and a reward promised adequate to the service which he had performed, and the friendly disposition whisk he had manifested. Ilia support of our interests had indeed twee attended with conseqmoces very inju rious to his own, for his epistles bad resorted to arti. flees spinet hies, through which he lost his situation gooier the Nisem, a situation worth not less than 60001. a-year. He subsequently received from the Company's Government, a compensation in a way that was sepposerl to be very advantageous to him. Saltpetre was at that period an article in great regent, and he was allowed to mod a cargo of it from Calcutta, the ultimate value of which, it was calcelated,weeld amount to 50,0001. Ile had a special liceocograoted to hies for the purpose of se curing this property in the event of a American war, which was thee considered to be of probable war room The Committee would hear, however, with surprise and concern, that the Captain of the ship having touched at the Cape of Good Hope, for the purpose of landing some passengers, the vessel was seised, and condemned by the Vice-Admiralty Court of that settlement. Those Courts were not, lodged, at that time, on the stem footing as at present, and the betimes, of them was frequently administered, not by am of high character and professional experience, bat by persons neither qualified nor disposed to act justly between suitors. Hot what chiefly emetnanded the esteem and admiration with which be viewed the , character of Gapers! Boyd was, that his gaol will towards this cooetry was not shown ins sudden start, bet exhibited on various messiest', and after he bad been deprived of the benefit Wooded for him. During the late war he held a command le the American army, and it would appear, from a letter of the British Officer opposed to him, how highly the latter appreciated the kindoeso and gene. molly with which the English prisoners and wounded were always treated by Gen. Boyd.—[lfese the lion. Member reed a letter addressed to W. Menial, Eq. by Geri. do Rottenbarg, in which the conduct and humanity of General Boyd were spoken of with much praise.]—A Committee of the limns bad been appointed last Session to enquire into this case, end they recommended, what appeared to him, under all the circumstances, to be a very moderate grant, a sem of 6,0001. 111 should conclude by moving that a sem of 6,0001. be granted to his Majesty in order to enable him to remunerate the service, rendered to this country by General Boyd, a Chime sod Officer of the Uoited States. Mr. MARRY AT armed some surprise et the motion now brought forward by the lion. Member. In the yes, 1797, the Nizam had Its his service the .obsidiary force commend►d by Gen. Boyd, and a French subsidiary Nice. It was somewhat singular that the Britibh Commander should invite the nee to attack the other. It was doubtful also upon the evi dence, whether Gen. Bind bad ever put his force is motion for the purposed stated. It appeared, how ever, that he had signified an intention of so doing, and this he onderstond to form the ground of the , present claim. The East India Company had allow. ed him to ship 900 tons of salt-petre from Cal. coitus for Boston; but It was seized and cos. demised at the Cape of Good Hope. A sum bad been awarded for the orleinal value of the cargo. —The sentence of the Vice-Admiralty Court had been d at home ; but he regretted to say, that the documents had been altered and raided ow the pert of General Boyd, for the purpose of sepd riling the insurance from the general account. It had been afterwards represented that this was dose on the orifice of American lawyers, but he believed it had been done on no other advice than that of General Boyd's agent. In the present case, the claim appeared to him to have ne foundation in justices Mr. WILBERFORCE hoped the Committee, its coming le a elecistoe ow the grant. would be (aided not by the statement of the lion. Member, bet by a fair view of the merits of the case. Mr. 11. GURNEY aspported the Grant. Mr. T. WILSON thought the General had no claim either a. a foreigner or al a native, cud Ite(Mr. Wilton)*Gold not rote for the grant. Sir JAMES MACINTOSH said, that be could not bring his 'mind to suppose a mann of General Boyd's chaistler guilty of the scandalous intention to soimmate the amount of his loss. The tote he should give should be in support of the grant pro posed. Mr. FINLAY said, that if his Hoe. Friend (Mr. Marr)at)eraidisposed to take the sense of the Home on the grant, he should vote against it. Mr. BROUGHAM spoke in favour of the grant. Mr. FINLAY and Mr. BROUGHAM moteally ezplaised. Mr. C. FORBES meld, that If an ansetsdamit were proposed, radiating the grant to a smaller sem, be should rote for it lather thaw for the &glee! Sir I. COFFIN had !o. knees Gen. yd, ..4' he believed him iticapable of attempting to impose ott the Home. The CHANCELLOR .f the EXCHEQUER supported the Grist. The Grout was tam 'greed to, end the House re. lemed.—Report .to-morroo. WAYS AND BEANS. On the motion of the CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER. the Report of the Committee of Ways and Mesas was received, su,d the several Re solutions of the Growing' were agreed to by the Hoes,. A disressiob took place on the Resolution gremlin 10001. to provide implements of industry for the New Bridal,*ll to Dublin. , Mr. HUME said that this wu Doe of the grant. which had bees proposed this year for the ant time, none of which be approved of. He was coorimeed that such grants, instead of promoting the ehsritable purposes fur *MA they were givers, tended only NI blunt the Geer feelings of the mind, and to enarease the number of objects. Mr. V. FITZGERALD wu willing to believe that nothing but • sense of duty had prompted the Honourable Member to object to this great, for he was convinced the Hoes. would think it ono of the least objectionable that had been proposed. Mr. C. GRANT thought himself justifiable it bringing forward this Estimate. He did not propose that this thould be an seneal grant ; it woe only an experiment, and if it was to be tried at all, it ought to be tried fairly. Mr. WYNN spoke In father of the vote. Mr. V. FITZGERALD esplsined. Mr. M. FITZGERALD could not understand why greats should not be made for the benefit of Ire.. land as well as for that of England, or why t►ey should be Wiped merely on account of their novelty. Mr. W. SMITII thought it the most (mob. jectioneble of the whole; but as to the grant of 10,0001. to the Irish Linen Board, he certainly en• tertained a different opinion. Mr. Pggi. hoped that, provided the Hone wee satiated with the propriety of these grants, it would not withhold its liberality, became he was convinced of their necessity. Mr. M. FITZGERALD explained. Sir 11. PARNELL supported the grant. Mr. V. FITZGERALD explained. Mr. RANK ES spoke in support of the grant. Mr. C. GRANT explained. Lord CARHAMPION made a few rserstk4 after which the vote was agreed to. Mr. HUME, on the reading of the Resolution for 70001. towards defraying the salasies of Law Of. tars, Ac., mad* some oh lions iii reply to what had fallen from the Noble Lord and the Right Hon. Gent. (Mr. Fitzgerald), by whom he iboeght him. self to base been much misunderstood. Mr. V. FITZGERALD, In ezplanation. had un. dertood the objections of the Honourable Gentleman (Mr. Hume) to apply generally to the management and admiaistratio■ of aH charities in Indeed. The Hon. Genitalia's, be might with more teases cotta. plain, bad quite misenderstood himself. Mr. Huse captained ; aid after a few words front Mr. Weidman and Mr. It. Martin, the Reseletiom was agreed to; as were also these Resolutions:— MO *6o the Ilirerlioa of Scianols in Irri end. ike. £17.076 ISt. ful. for salmi good ire detackacies of the Civil Lire is Ireland. COMMITTEE or WAYS AND MEANS. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER' said, that after the general exposition be had give% on a former night touching the Ways arid Meant for the service of the year, It would not be necessary' how to recapitulate his former statement. His ob. jeer at present would be to move for a grant of El. chequer sod Treasury Bills for the service of Great Britain and Ireland, to replace others to a cultic, amount now out.studiog. The sum of those uteri. ties now out-standing was 49 millions, which would be reduced above tea millions in the curse of lb. present year, leaving 38f millions. He should for the present only move for 16 million sod a half oat Exchequer Bills for England, and two millions of Treashry Bills to replace those out-standing in th. Bank of Ireland. The Bank held 19f, which, added. to 16} in Exchequer Bills for England, and the two millions Treasury Bills for Ireland, would make up the 38 millions ►e bad mentioned. He wished ter mention another point to the Huse, namely, that there was a surplus of 244,0001. remaining over the expenditure from the Consolidated Fond of last year which he meant to apply to the services of the pre. sent. He begged leave also to add, that the pro. dace of the HAMMe of the present year, at the end of the last quarter, compared with that of the corre sponding peeled in the preceding year, gave a our. plus of 250,0001., and up to this day the surplus would amount to 300,0001.; missive of the duties on tea et the last odes, which were very extensive s , and which had not yet come into the Exchequer.— And the same might be said of an estraordimary put. chase of articles in anticipation of the taxes about to be imposed on them in the present year; and the defies on which bad not yet come to the Exchequer. The Right Hosourable Gentleman then recapitulated his stammers, and moved for a grant of sixteen mil. lions and a half of Exchequer Bills for the service of the year. Sir 11E?iitY PARNELLadverted to the prevent high and alarming state of the exchanges between this country and [reload, being from 14 to 15 per cent. against the latter, owing to the large remittances out to absentees in this country, and for commercial per. poses, the great balance of trade against Ireland, and the consequent high price of bills to make remittances. Ile suggested to the KWH II ble the Chancel lor of the Exchequer the expediency and necessity of taking some •tees to counteract this nil, and pro. posed, that he should send to the Bank of Ireland a large sem in Eri Hob Excherper Bills, ers wpm' t here gm tiresome tempi es in this coluity. fo r the purchase of remittance in payments here in lieu of bills •f es chance, which would afford rest relief to the ewer. cantile end *law commercial interests. this suggestion of his Flnnourable d it the sties. Alt. I,rEs'Ey FITZG ERA LI) t. cw irn y d. •P a Pr oc r b ed op l lion it deserved. The exchange d rii it was that country considered ibei rneiriarifmio 4 000 000 withle tie last few meat , moment's% to , his Rieht Hooourable 'fiend wo l u ki l Irelend was must egairser.girerdel:ll:lawathsenCoat: N ibs: COSU. Ayes. 67 I Non, 17. The Bill, as we were informed, was read a third time and passed. On the motion of the CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER, the Customs' Coosa!dation Bill was read a third time. The lion. G. LAMB said, tbat he held in his band a Petition, as we •adentood, from Cocker. meeth, against some park of this Bill. lie was aware that it could net be presented, bring out of time, bet be tbooeht proper to state the fact. . . Mr. WM. SMITH also bad a Petition similarly circamstsoced, bat to which he called the House's alteration. 111 regretted that it was lo contempla tion to pass a IMMO so iojerioes to a large class of persons. After some observations from the CHANC ELLOR °fibs EXCHEQUER end Prl r.HOLII E !WM N Elt, Yr. W. sum' said, that he had understood it was intended to Ism laid an additional drily eit 2s on the importation of rum; which was anorwards abandoned, on the ground that the article would not afford it, by reason of the state of commerce be tween our West Indian Colonies and the United States; but be was given to understand that a great irate•course at present subsisted between them parts. The Bill was then passed. Mr. JOHN SMI EH mewed the third reading of lbe 13ankropt Regolotioo Bill. After some ob dons from Sir 11 %Vilson, Mr. J. Smith s Mr. Teo!'yam', so Hon. Member (we believe Mr. Martin (Tewkesbury), eod Mr. Primrose, the Bill was read a third time, and passed. e