The Statesman. — London, England, 1815-05-03 00:00:00

~=. ti THE STATESMAN. , . , ~_~'. .y.~.....a.. _.~. ..~.ai."ba.~J I~~..IYiG. --k. :-, ~ ._r CauY~i~s ~~ 5~ might be said that there was no precedent for such a , When his Noble Friend arrived at Vienne, a me- country was degraded. He should be sorry:to : sup. meat of a war on the Continent, that Meisaert from the Crown to Parliament on the rup. I moir was elven in to Jae,gleng,test by the • Duke a pow that • th is-letter,pas written ill conseqlence of might be enabled to form a just opinio n 01 tors• of an armistice. He could not say that there Caniiinchtero, the ViN,, pall ;Envoys, which was any 'weepiness; but this he most lab'• that in the jest. By agreeing to the motion of the N , an exact precedent, because he did not recollect , referred to the conaideastiop of eneral Nugent, the vilest, recevile f of diplomatic treachery ,and crime, of I tire House would completely transfer to 1 aey case exactly similar to the present in all its cir. peteon certeibly, who, front tinfopportunities he had .fraud. entlimpostere, there was nothing worse to bwi the duties which belonged to the Noble e.:eistences: hut in point.pf principle there were nu. !enjoyed, was best qualified to judge of the correct. found than the letter in question. Nothing could be site—it would be to take from them that n weroits precedents—and he might, as be belittled, ; nests of its allegations. That able officer accordingly imagined . more hateful for its treac,kes,g ,or . . more lity which belonged to their situation, to with confidence that their Lordships would concur.; made a !peg report on the whole circumstances of contemptible for its basenes. It deserved remark, ; tweet' them and that branch of their 0111 with idle, sy, that it was the ordinary course of , the campaign, lit whicb.he stated that Murat had not that there woe not one word.in this letter, of Murat ; tions which called on them to judge of the proceeding between the Executive Government and only not cordially co-operated with the Austrian having forfeited by bad faith; it proposed that while information could with safety be laid bee) Parliament. For instance, during the late war with army, but had broken the engagements which he had Austria should look on in Italy, the.Pritices of the ment—and, when that time carne, to advi France. many attempts were made to bring about a '.entered into. Not contented with this evidence, House of Bourbon should attack him by sea. He vereign to direct that it should be prod, peace between the two countries, and negociations Lord Castlereagh sent both the memorials to Lord should like to see the answer which this insolent pro. thus to place the House in the only situatio, were entered into with that view, but which had um. William Bentinck, who made a report entirely con- ' position received. But while these underhand ma. they could satisfactorily discharge the dull fortunately failed in securing that desirable object.— firming that of General Nugent, and stating that he chinations were going on, and ,while we did not bent on them in the present situation of th, Igo these .occasions, when the negocietiOns were had no doubt of Murat's haring been in Communica. openly and frankly state -the charges to Murat, was Another objection which he felt to the m, 'broken nil', a communication was always made to tion with the enemy during the whole of the opera. it to be wondered at that he grew saspicious? No , that it was made without any intimatioo,bei Parliainent.by Message from the CroWit, of the prin. firms. Hence very little doubt could remain of the cue ever more imperiously called for the,censidera. lof the grounds on which the Noble Earl ( chides' opim which each negociation had been con.. treacherous part which that person had acted, and tion of Parliament than this. He thought that the,: necessary to bring it forward. Whee a ducted, and the reasons why it had been broken off. the whole of these documents should be laid on the whole subject ought to have been brought before the this subject ,was given by his Noble Fri, It was true that, in these instances the negociations table for the information of the House. Their Lord. ; House in the shape of a message from •the Crown, Grey) the matter was not decisively brougt did not proceed under the circumstances of a suspen ships should also have the sentiments of variotm accompanied with all the documents which bad been issue of peace or war—there was, therefore, sin., of hostilities ; but he :,skud their Lordships French authorities, all concurring in the same point : promised. cient ground for the interference of Pinner whether it ought to make any difference in this re. among others, the sentiments of the person now at i Lord LIVERPOOL spoke shortly in reply. He now the state of things . was 'different. We i spect, that no armistice existed,—nr whether the cif.. the .head of the pplice in France, who was then in„ contended that in the Treaty, as stated by the , Noble peered, was carrying on--and yet it was at I cumstance of an armistice having existed during the Italy, and of Eugene Beauharnois, representing Mu-' . Lord himself, there was no specific obligation .to meat that the House were called on to tai negociatiou glow in question, and especially an armi- , rat as decidedly their friend, and all confirming the restore Naples to his Sicilian Majesty. It merely Ministers thit responsibility to, which the stice of such a nature and long continuance as .the fact of his deliberate treachery towards the Allies.— bound this country to obtain for hitn•a-teir corn.. otherwise liable. They were asked to relieve present, was not rather favourable to the proposition He (Lord L.) made this short statement for the pur. pensation. , He admitted that we were bound to fol. ters from a part of their duty, and, wither which he maintained, that the information ought to pose of doing away any imputation on the character • low up the armistice with Igeples by a formal Treatyv ing the convenience or inconvenience that be given by message from the Crown. Hiving said of this country, which ever had been distinguished, but the question was whether the co-operetiee of, produced, without knowing. what the 11, this much, lie would not take up their Lordships' time for its adherence to the principles of good faith, and Murat was such as mast have been contemplated at might conceits, or what conclusions - they migi any longr respecting what be had said before, that in refutation of the assertion that it had withdrawn the time 'he Made the engagement. The papers to—they were about to address the Crowe the discusAoti of this subject•would come with much from its engagements on an unworthy quibble.— be produced would short Whit kind of co-opera- , them before Parliament. If the Papers more convenience and utility when the Papers were Such was the state of things prior to the recent I tion it was, and it would be seen that Lord William ceded in the regular form, by • the Croon, produced, and particularly with more couvenience if breaking out of hostilities in Italy, at which period Bentiuck even doubted..whether the common cause purpose of establishing tertain propositions, they s;!iould be produced in the form which he m o m. no final decision had been come to by the Congress. I would not have been better promoted without it. If the House an opportunity of judging. whether mended. Ile meant to follow up this statement; by moving for I such was the fact,'the faith of this country was core- conduct observed by this country tower& the Earl of LI VERPOOL.—In point of substance the production of the documents to svilich he had ' pietely absolved. with whom we were now in state of hOttir there was no di ff erence bet weep them. Ile .was alluded. I Lord GRENVILLEttaid, he did not know how I consistent with good faith, and to foend * on perfectly wiltiug to produce all the i u f r a rn atien for Earl GREY 'begged to be Indulged in few nb. ,to abject regularly to the production of.papere where ; claim for assistance, to enable the Ccown.tr which, as he uederstnad him, the Noble Ear! asked, serrations on some parts of the Noble Lord's speech. 'his Majesty's Secretary of State conceived that they with 'those hostilities, then no objection s namely, all the chrrespoudence marital ote between The Noble Lord, it appeared to him, had spoken of might be produced. There was one mode, however , raised against their reception. Wei it for thi n the GI overnmeut of this country and,the present G o - our prior engagement with the King of Sicily in terms which, according to the regular and established . pose that the Noble Karl introduced .his y sitotion serieticia of Naples, before aud since the rupture of far too low. If the Sicilian Treaty did not gaaran. practice of Parliament; ought to be observed, that If it were .so, he shoold have stated the - the armistice, .with the usual eaceptioo.,of such as tee therestoration of Naples, it at least specified in of communicating. them by message from the Crown. not >hue left their Lo'rthhips to fish.eorfrom might he prejudicial to the. public service.;, lie had precise terms, that this country would not snake They were told thatiostilities had commenced; that tion the intention of the . Noble Earl. ; before stated, in answer to some observations of the peace with France, without taking care of the irate- an armistice, during which the nest active asegocie grounds on which hOifilitilso had, betel-mem Noble Earl, that the situation in which this country rests of the Sicilian Monarch. Was it not evident, 'Hons. were going on, with a view to the establish. I The previone.conduct' pursued. bysG,Overtireent had stood for some time past.with respect to Naples, that we bad acceded to the Treaty between Austria, meat of a more intimate union, had now ceased : Such as deserved the approbetioe.,d tbh llf was that of a suspension of hostilities; and be had. and the person now holding the Crown of Naples, could any man doubt, that the regular course would When this subject came fairly , before Par" AL ted, the - '"hoc havir beer Whr ft-- the _ _ _ Parliar- th t questir ;old ad nem . . . Aso stateu, that he was nut aware that hostilities had without Sire y ,ng 211 once consulted. ier for Crown to approach his faithful Parliament, tne grea. ion wo. ISO . isiiiit hap •.. _.a • actually cotnmenceuced on our part, though it was ther the pressure of the war was such u to render soda* for that support which they had never re- , the comment ;.., lent 4 hostilitimein fedi.? i true but our Commander in Italy had given notice, this accession absolutely necessary, he knew not ; fosedie The House was entitled to receive the com. . was in a state of pacification, when it wasdistm that in consequence of the attack on our Allies, the but this he would assert, that our prior engagements! munication. in that channel,. and not merely upon by the invasion of France. At that time , armistice was at an end ; and, therefore, that we with Sicily formed a case of very considerable dif l the authority of en individual Peer, however respect- came to Parliament, and , statettle twat' appeared were niftier in a state of war, or about to enter into ficulty, which Gould only have been overruled by.luble for his talents, or his high situation in the Go.. them to be the most effectual diet of mottles , a state of ear. But the Noble Earl had admitted some imperious necessity. In point of fact it could jererument. The - - Noble Lord could remember no danger. While this was penclint another interrup. that there was uo precedent for such a communize. ' not be denied that we were acceding parties to a I:trecederse of the kind in cases of armistice; but tbeiticm of-the public tranquillity toeit Pbrettiu I lll 7' tion by message from the Crown as that which the treaty in which Austria guaranteed the possession of : fact was, that no case of the• kind had occurred ha : : wu most important they should be ittromed Noble Earl called for, merely ou the rupture of an Naples to its present Sovereign.—[Here the Noble i his time. The forms of the Constitution should. be • 'whom, on what ground, and under what armistice; and, therefore, be had no instructions to Lord quoted the 4th article of that Treaty to this i preserved—they were of essential substance; and if stances it was that this interruption was err bring down any information on the subject by way effect.]—To that guarantee Russia and Prussia were] ally one of them was more important than another, and what steps it was deemed necessavyto , of message from his Royal Highness the Prince lee. parties, and he contended, also, that in point of.ethe Otte to Which he now referred was that. There consequence. They ought assn It, be informed gent ; but he was perfectly willing / to produce the fact Great Britain was the same. Accordingly, on I ilika 'alipther point in which the Constitution was obligations were imposed on the Coonteer by' correspondence upon the motion by the Noble Earl, the 3d of February, 1811, Lord W. Beritinck con- eltiolatedi, by the evasion so lately introduced, of nettion with her Allies, and what obligations or any other Noble Lord, to that 'effect. He was eluded an armistice with the King of Naples; andlmoring for the su b stance of treaties which were not tional interest occasioned, even •if the coo t desirous that it should be produced, and in case the this not a common armistice, providing merely for !mencluded. In consequence of this, it had happened not bound by any ties of ailiance with Noble Earl did nut move for the papers, be should the cessation of hostilities between two hos t ile, that a elisctissien had taken place in Parliament on Powers. These were the great considerati himself loose for them. lie agreed that any discus. armies, but rather a virtua l treaty of peace, fur it , the stipulations of a treaty which was not ratified.— should- be submitted to Parliament ;•- R ad . lion of the subject had much better he deferred till stipulated the full renewal of commercial intercourse ; A treaty was here signed, it was true. But, by the one, would be ready .to enter into their glisco l ailso, the correspondence was before their Lordships ; and between the. two countries ; while to the whole was usual forms adopted, :not without reason, between discarding from his mind all idylls of any -- in any thing which lie was about to slate, he should, annexed, a Convention for establishipg a plan of : countries, treating oil the high and important qua.. misconduct of Government ou former acme, as far as depended o n him, avoid whatever might operations against the common enemy. Here, then, ; tiOOS of peace and wore treaties were not considered ' Ile would examine whether °the interruption tend to produce discussion et this moment. But in was a virtual alliance. Lord Castlereagh, besides, ! binding until they were brought distinctly under the had been given to the trauguitlity of itchy ' the statement made by the Noble Earl the other day, ou the 15th of February, concluded at Troyes, a I view of the respective Sovereigns, connected with' was not ascribable to any breach of Treaty, he had asserted that Great Britain had guaranteed (convention, by which a compensation was to be them, and' were duly ratified. He contended, that glancing at any collateral subjects, mid he the Throne of Naples to the present ruler of that granted to the King of Sicily for his losses. There i then, and not till then, according to the principles- then make such provision as the situation and country, and by that and some other statementa made were also., heunderstood, two other *elides, by one ;of the Constitution of this country, were they fit to terest of the country called for. An coracles, by the Noble Earl, the question had been in some. of which Murat was to have an addition to his ter. I be. before Parliament. But, in the present case, Lordship expressed a hope that the • Noble . measure prejudiced. He was therefore now desirous ritory somewhere in the mark of Ancona, and this, - when the, Treaty of Vienna was received in this would withdraw his motion, and when the.ptoper of giving a very short and general, but distinct state., by-the-bee, was .the first time the detestable system country, it was Rot simply ratified by the Sovereign, : time came, that he would advise the Crown to lay '. meta o what would appear by the production .of was brought forward, by which, the, people were There was annexed to it a Declaration, the consist- i Papers before Parliament. the correspondence, not with a view to provoke any marked out, like to much stock, as it was stipu- , ency of which, with the letter of the Treaty, it was j Earl BATHURSI'.—It had been smelled premature discussion at present, but merely for the lated that this additional, population should consist ; not now material to disceas. , That Declaration li-• ; Address was moved for explaining the gem purpose of removing that prejudice. By our treaty of not less than 400,000 souls. By the other article ; mited and defined the sense in which the Treaty : the commencement of hostilities. That was with Sicily, we ha.l certainly guaranteed the lute- • the King of Sicily was told, that if lie rejected tee! was to be received by this .country. In this si- ground of the Morislo- Ministers had been rests of that Sovereigt, ; but however desirous this indemnity whichehmild be provided for him, in that tuation of things, what had been done ? There was ! with breach of faith and gross misconduct, i Government might be from ancient connection to re- case the Allies would make common cause in defend- no instance in the history of diplomatic correspond- House was summoned this. day to hear the more his Neapolitan possessions, there never was ing Murat against every attack. Here, then, was i ence—ore they were of very rare occurrence—in ; made good e or to vote for Papers which shouie any distinct etiga,getneet to that effect. He migbt ; sernethiwg fully equivalent to a treaty. Ile did not which, a treaty having been ratified, with a Decla.. that charge. It had no t be en th oug ht proper state, also, that several years ago several oterteres• . ' wish to stand there .as the apologist for Marshal ration, the other ceotracting parties did not accuse. make the charge; but. his Noble Friend had s' fur negotiation passeti between Marshal Murat and I Murat ; but what the Allies, and this country among'pany their ratification wi th a c o u u ter.d e cla r ate en , it-essential t o th e h onour o f hi s M a j es ty' s she l'inice Royal of Sicily, but nothing grew o u t o f 1 the rest, stipulated for on his part, was a military either coinciding in the principles of the Declaration meat, to - pat the House in possession of those this negotiation. Howes er, in the month of October ; co-operation which should relieve Austria from the i transmitted to them, or pointing out what were the in order to vindicate that honour. The How 1813, negocia lions were mitered into between the ! pressure to. which she was exposed. Murat did ad- I view* and feelings of these who drew up the counter- I understand, therefore, that the Papers WI Neapolitati and the Austrian Governments, which,lvauce his forces, and tbe effects of his junction were i declaration. 'ibis couater-declaration, on the part of i produced to explain the tore ounds of the cone seler some interruption, were again renewed, when i the clearing of the whole of Tuscany, the capture of the Allied Sovereigns, had not yet been received.— i meat of hostilities, but indicate the cot Marshal Mutat was at the head of his troops in Italy.l Ancona, and the operations upon the Po. Did we I And yet, in ignorance of' what their decision might Ministers from the charge of the Noble Loi At this time the most a n xious Jane was testified on i derive uo benefit from this ? The Viceroy was i be—without ktrewing what qualifications might be i, site. As to the assertion of hii Noble Friel' the part .4 Austria to conclude a peace with him, it driven beyond the Adige to the Mitten). Had it not . annexed to the Declaration of the Eeecutive (and 'it was contrary -to ell precedent, that then( being . represented by her as ate olutely necessary to been admitted the other day, in the discussion on I which they might expect to be speedily possessed of)! be no communication from thiCrown on el the success of the operations in that quarter. The ; th e treaty with Bonaparte, when a particular per.ithaTteaty was laid on the table of' Parliament, and' jest, he could assure him that there was oo Allies acquiesced in this representation, and he had, pose was-to he served, that the Austrian army in the Legislature were called on to dis cus s its merits. !of a communicati on f rom th e C r o w n upon DP ditheuly in saying, that the peace between Aus. Italy was inferior to that of the Viceroy ?. Then, IA more unbecorniiig transaction, both with respect ! Cure of an armistice. Bet then the Noble fe triaand Niples was not concluded without the as, even in a neeative view, we clerked a great ad- i to those with whom this country negociated, as well : identified an armistice with a negotiation, ti eaut of the AUied.Powers, and ,of ilia...country ia. vantage; for if Murat had joined the Ariceroy e i as with reference to Parliament, could, not be ima. iit was not at all similar. -Them never was particular. Die to this assent meow part, two eon-, would not the Austrian army have been in all pro.e gined. Government had laid before them that ; formal notification of the existence of an arr ditions were attached ;,—list, That: aneetteuiveleut Inibiiitycompelled to retreat ? Was it not possible Which they were willing to accede to; but they I and.oegoclations we r e o fte n broken off with should be given to Sicily for the tress of-Naples ; and- that. the. enemy, might have been able to operate a! could not know whether the other Powers were red- Inotice being given to the • House. RespPcl 2d, thecordied co-operation of hiarshal Mutat with powerfel diversion in the direction of Vienna, which 'dy to act on the same principle. Such were the in. I Treaty .of Vienna, it had been moved for by I the Allied Powers. He fully admitted, that if these- must have compelled the withdrawal of a large por e ! conveniences incurred, by breaking through este.: Lord who usually toted with the Oppesith two conditions had been fulfilled, we were bound 'to thou of tee Austrian army from France, at the most blislied forms, and layiug before Parliament a docu-, was net laid upon the table by fsliniAers with) have followed up the armistice with a fair and equi- criticae period of the war? In fact, it must be ad- . meet that was not complete, _ lie applauded the wis - I consent of th e H ou s e . Ali the o bj ec ti on able table peace : but the question had arisen, whethe s , witted as_ a reasonable supposition , th at to this lie- ' dem of that House, in abstaining to discuss such a! stances were known when it was moved, foi there ever had been on the part of. that person, that l getirgutseafitence teas mainly owing the success of the Treaty—and he equally applauded the prudence of I known to be a Treaty not reified, and will cordial co-operation for which he had engaged. Soon. 'campaign in France.. it seemed now, therefore, the ether House,• in not delivering an opinion on a ! claration affixed to it; suss the House knowi after the oeening of the campaign in Italy, there. teiehae o to.oll, us there were suepicienx of his good ' document in this imperfect state. Much more in- l this, had consented to the Motion, in coeseT were reasons to suspect he was acting a double.part faitho . partieularly as such evident advantages were ' convenience was created by breaking' through those . of .which the substance was laid before them. in breach of his engagement's, and, in fact, waiting. desired from eels conduct. , Neither could it be de. ancient forms than could be balanced by any advan- the disrespect which Ministers were charged to see which of the two great contending parties Pied ,thet Marshal Murat bad very natural reasons tage derivable from.procuririg premature information. having showoelie House, net they did was to would obtain the superiority. This information the, forriliactivity : but .he should refrain from farther With respect to the Papers now moved for, one of the Regent to produce.the• substance of the Tt British Government at first looked at with jealousy, comments on this topic 'until the promised documents two things most be true. Either they are iu a form consequence of this Vote o f the House. If inasmuch as it migle have proceeded on suspicions, were before the House. • .Serttly,thoseever, if Murat' and state, and the transaction hes arrived. at a stage I objectionable te produce the substance of a not very unnatural in themselves, rather .than on was the character represented. it was the height of when the documents ought to he submitted to Partin -) before Its ratification, as he a g reed it was, hi facts: bet when a Noble Friend of .his arrived in impelicy on tbe.part of the Allies tce allow a person liament, or the contrary is the fact. If they were jesty's Ministre A were iimocent of the offence. -1 iris the spring of last year, he received a cornrou- 'of such convieted treachery to retails •the•power of not in such a form, the Noble Earl (Liverpool) ' Lord G-RENVILLF.---The Noble Eitel ideation of Certain facts, which did afford him a mot seteing.fireeneeclea ineguine.of combustibles as was would lead the House into an error, by calling on easy w:lys of ascribing the consent and pole hit conviction, that Marshal Murat, Instead of act- k n ow n. t o eliet in Italy. :no N o ble Lo r d neat ad- them to address the Crown for the production of of the House to and in every measure of Niiiiie ing up to his engagements, had, in fact, been core vertede.o a. leMer which bad iapeteared in the public those documents. If, on the other hand, they were could not be troubling the House with rrmsrl res Ponding and co.operatingewith the enemy....oll Prities,, purporeing to be from M. Talleyrand to fit to lie laid before the House, it was impossible to every objectionable art of Ministers ; and y , Lord Castlereagh's return to this country, he had a Lurd.Castiereagh, and, which appeared to show that state any case to dispense with the duty which apper_ did not, he found himself charged with ir• corivereeion with the agent of Murat, and frankly we were proceeding. by underhand and secret ma- tained to his Majesty's Ministers, of advising the tion in those acts. The motion for the Prod aid him that considerable doubts had arisen as to chinations against Murat. No matt could- see such Crown to lay before Parliament every document con. of the Treaty was not his; and it was only the good faith and cordiality of his waster's conduct. things without feeling that the character of his nested with the renewal, or rather the commence. the many motions, to which the Noble Earl the Hous e at 011 dm k:ub. 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