The Statesman. — London, England, 1819-01-29 00:00:00

Mr. WM. COURTENAY observed, that thy Member, of the Commission, whose Report had hese adverted to by the lien. and Learned Gentleman; Lied felt It their duty to ascertain, as far as they amid, the value of the respective Juvenile°, submitted to them. What might be the weight of the opinion which they had formed and delivered, It was not for: Mot to say. The lion. and Learned Gentleman, however, had a little misconceived the Report of the Cosansiasinwere. They bad been folly aware Mgt their Report most create touch disappointment. it was clear thee the ingenious projectors of whose plans they had net been able to approve, were likely to think lb* seven Commissioners rather than themselves Its be its the wrong. But the Commissioners were also aware, that the longer the Public were kept in ignorance of their opinion, the longer would these intlivideels be kept in a stole that most tend to increase the disappointment when it arrived. Itt chat view of the 'object, the Commissioners, sme lts** ao far to make a Report of their proceedings,were nevertheless unable to state folly the result, which they hope ere long to dn. In the Repast which the Cummisionera had made, he agreed with the Iles. and Learned Gentleman. thet they had median/oar calculated so show the liouse and the Country, that the desired object was not so easy of attainment se by some it was supposed to be. And this they were the more solicitous to do, because the belief had bees fostered throughout the country, that nothing bet the grossest ignorance and negligence on the part of the Directors of the Rank of England, could have prevented the adoplinn long ago of some scheme by which the evil complained of might have been risme. died. They owed it to the Hesse end the counts." to state, that not ono of the plans presented could bet adopted with solid advantage to the Public. It was, he conceived, his duty to state that opinion ; - hot the Commission at the same time felt it their duly to distin • goish particularly some of the pr..jeets which were jatesented to them. It WU wooed in the Report, that not more than nine of the projects deserved in he more particularly mentioned. Many of the On, certainly possessed very great merit. The degree of talent which had been displayed was very great in deed. Several of the plans of individuals, both of this country and abroad, and store particularly of the limited Sta.es of North Americo, po eel very estraordinary merit. Re could only say, that all the snrcimeos had been minutely considered. •Ose greet fallacy ruts through the papers recommending parti. cuter plans. Some of the plans- required the use of estensive meachimery, end the notes so produced mold sot be eaecateel to the same intent and with the game nicety by a similar application of machinery. The Commission were satisfied that some degree of nicety end extent of esecation, and in the same time, weld sot be produced by any other means se well as by that 'machinery ; bat the Gentlemen alluded to bad forgotten that the notes produced by this machinery costs] be insteated Is smaller somber and is a greeter space of time, with sock a degree of Pigsty es to do. C.PIII. the Public, by very inferior aeons. They might be produced to an inferior extent with sufficient fa cility to answer the purpose of the forger. Is their ansiely not to raise the hopes of the country he.. yrind deo limits, the Commission bud trod leisgt. which might appear to saute ratter dlseusereg*, It was cell-el/11y not their inteatlos to dieeoseele lb° bops that such an improvement might be rafted s would be attended with a very heneficiti regelt-4m • meant thet such notes might &la produced ge it would be very digestt to imitate, ht such a manner as to deceive the Peblic. He agreed with bin lion. Friend, *nil he treated the Public would ge along with them, that nothing waste bet expected free any secret pre cise.. Several of the projects possessed great tootle; bat of these Olt Committees had selected one for the purpose of making esperiments on it. They had selected one which they considered a greet improve. . meet, but they thought that improvements might be made on the best plan. Since the Report bad been given in, the result which the • Croomission antici pated bad been nearly penalised. Its. Decry that a eubstitete stied 'sally be discovered for the pretest system, widget would reader Forgery impoosible, had no foundation In troels. Bet he did believe, that, on • the adoption of that plan on which esperiesents were .sew making, Forgery would be rendered inthshely moos difficult than it now wee. —[Nees, hew!] . Mr. TIERNEY aeld, if he oodersiood the lin. Wearable and learned Gentlemen correctly, the sub. Manes of what he said was—that though some im provements on the relating system had bees presented to the Cominiesion, yet so projects bad been pre. meted to that body which allowed them to erstertain any thing mote than a hope that some davits might be bit open which ,scald render the crime of Fnegery infinitely mere difficult. That he tee k to be the whole amount of whet had fallise boo the Hoe. and lessened Gentlemen. He wished to kern frees his when they might *epee the ultimate °Titoism of the Commission op the etteeriments they were sew mak ing—whets they weighs espied something mere defiette on. the subject than mere hope. it was inatetrial that tSe CoOnnil tee should report whether they kid dimly a hope, or w hetker they bad something more then a hope, that thy crime of Forgery could net be trommitted with the stone 'misfit? us iteteleforo. Witestmer that for tunate resift wegottaitsed, he sheeted be4stappy to learn. He wished, therefore, to a* the Itonostable end Lettered Gentleman when they esielseespeet the Leta invoication of the melt of the eapetiments of the Commission ? • Mr. COURTgNAY sail, many of the 11110aini#1111 111101 1 /0 to the Commission, possessed very great me tit, and were i:1 theinseives an improvement en the existing system ; but it bad bees reggested by a Mem ber of the Casesiseion, who was at the same time a Member of that House, that any of the plans might be very much improved by combisatioe. The type assent which had been suggested, was now la pro. gross. They bed every maim to believe that the ide provement in the form of the Note, combined with the improvement in the paper which bed been fog. Bested, would render imitation estteenele d4clll. Tbe paper was now making by a paper.niaker of great skill. In a month's time, he had ao doubt, a Note would be produced of sects a form, as to Joe. tify them is recommending Its adoption, said which would render furter y ratrentely difficelt. Mr. NIA NNI NG said a few words is a very hag dible voice. We aederstood his to say that a definite opinion might he expected ratio/ earlift.—Tbe mire tie,. Was tbee agreed to. STAITAMAPI Sir JAMES MACINTOSH then mooed for an Accoutre of thelserober of Per gintlyntes whicirhart been detected by the Bank of England dories Ibis same period. In rookies that motion ha wished to say a few words as to what bad fallen from his ho noorable and Learned Friend. It appeared that the only result, after six months labour on - the pert of the Commission, was that they might expect some thing from one untried experiment. They were now in a very different sheath)* from what they conceiv ed themeelvos to bo in before. It was conceived that many means nsi4lit be devised for the diminution of forgeries ; bat now all their hopes of success rested otl an experiment which was yet untried. Ile would add one ohservution which appeared to him of some importance. The Hoes, would greatly mistake him, if they thought that he endervaleed the enquiries of the Commission. Even after the resumption of Cash Payments, each an Improvement in the con itruction of Hank-note as would resider it more diffirult to Imitate Bank•notev, would be a very crest improvement. A. the paper which would con. lione itt circulation after the resumption, would con. bone to be attacked some time from the baba of Forgery contracted duties the stoppage of Cash Payments, it would require all Resasilole improsmonts lo protect the Public after the, esemptioti. Any Im provement, even the slightest, xi:mid therefore be desirable. Mr. COURTEN AY said, he meant to state that the note on which experiments were making, so they had seen it, was in each a state, that they thought it already a considerable improvement on the present note; bet they thought that even that note might be improved, and that improvement wet 0011 seder es• iwriment. It was not, therefore, a vague hope which they had—they had ay. Ay received an advantage. nos improvement, b er they hoped to reader it still betteek. The motion was then azreed to. 41r. GRENFELL wivhed in knew from the Chen. cello, of the Exchequer, whether the expectation which he had held oat last year, of paying off the debt doe by the Public to the Bink, had taken place, and to what extent it had been paid cff ? The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said, he had hold net an expectation of being able to repay the Bald' eight millions ; and 6ve millions had already been paid to the Bank, and three millions more +field be paid to them oat of the proceeds of the Supplies.—The Hoses then adjaereed. FRENCH PAPERS. PARIS. Jas. 15. ROYAL ORDINANCES. "i nail, sre. " The Sitar Pepin de Belisle, Prefect of Le T)nr. doom is appointed Prefect of IA Seethe; the Slyer Seri, Sob-Prefect at Weissemberg. is appointed Pre. fect of Haut Rbio ; eke Count de Cartels, Prefect of Heat Rhin, is appointed Prefect of Vest Viewer.; the Si.er Pantie divot', Master of Memos, la ap pointed Prefect of l'Ardectie;.the Coe d'FAtor. Prefect of Lev iiaseire, is oppoisied veleta of Ears and Loire. (Sigsod) 6 ' 01 140 Hiei" The Ake of Cols. Secretary of Stele 4s suits in any Ministerial Department. 4. 4E 4' On the occasion of the anniverseryitlithe 2lst y, his Majesty has portioned smolt indivirleala doubled at Paris es different coovietioes, of whleh See were for seditious expressions. General Esceitosos is strived at Paris. The Boron Briton, Banker, and Director of the Theatre et Vienna, has stopped payment. As this is a very eminent hoes., the Austrian Government has permitted him to dispose of the Theatre by lot tery. The number of Tickets will be 200,000. There prevails at Petershorgli, is also at Stock `holm, a teasperatere so mild, that the oldest hobbit. ants can remember no *sample of it. Several trees and shrubs pet forth leaves, and even flowers, at i Christmas; bet the ward of snow end lee, in de priving commerce, the mines, and agricaltere of their seesl wens of carriage, throws a great gloom over the industries classes. The lazy citizen aeon com plains of the weather, as it prermits,him from enjoy ing the diversion of his sledge. The Russian Government ref ts.% to purchase the ingots of gold and silver et the exorbitant price re. Attired for them by the Englith, 4 so that these specs labors most take the. to some er market. The new system of Costoms lablished in Prsisis is enforced with a degree of rigour which i,,the cause of general complaint. For some weeks towards the end of last year, the,gates of the city ofManster were shut ; nog while eat isordioary patrols traversed the city, geoaretes sod doesoiers occupied them selves in searching the esgrchants' stores, grassries, 6e., and ma Orate helms, is ordecte *lodine eerie French Fonds. Jan. 23.-5 per Cents. OM. 50e. MAOIIIO. JAS. 12.--4osters from Veleocie male, that a ctkilir ey having been formed there against Gen. Esiomir. Governer of the Province, he went l i with a force to arrest tho caospirstors, among whom were some Officers, whet' one of them#rew a poniard, end striking at the General, wounded Mein the arm ; the General rsehissasitilant throogle t!he hotly with his sword, sod lir expired on the spot. The General of Cordeliers, the Reverend Father Gyring, has received orders to quit the capitsi. Be came frost Brasil at the same time as the late (leers. There are several conjectares as to the claw of this &grace. There are upwards of 40,0001160 kt, of whom he is nearly the absolute chief. Seseral Monks are stated to have joined the armed buds in the Sierra Morena. It is said that Don Pedro Cevailos will, for the meth or seventh time, be recalled to the Ministry for Foreign Afalrs. ' CHRISTIANIA, JAN. 6 —We leers from Genes burgh, that there was never so many whales mew on that coast as at this monseitt. Their appearance is it tribetehle to a reveletios of the polar lees. Stesoaeo. Jan. 10.—Strange, and we may trelT add. very idle reports are beginninete be spread at Sratgard respecting the death of the late Queue. A certain somnambulist who bad foretold thedeath of the King's f.ther had able, it seems, predicted that of the Q•ieen, ditharine. A peasant toe, we are told ; had some limo since reqeested 'disiill. to the I palace, in order to commeakat• aeraethief which , • V had been paled to hint by a fort d litsprilitial aid oft -being pressed to teil whet it was. be an ofsoaced, wish , an air of groat coolidence, that ll* Usesin wowld very shortly die. The fleceave of leer Majesty following very soon afterwards, the peasant has b , it seems, been errested, in order to be gees 'boned ahnit the grounds of his former prediction. But perhaps the most silly of all the queer thing' I 'final nu the subject iv, that the representation of a thostrical piece, called I; Adler de Diane, lied been for a long time !flooded by the Court of Willow. berg as a sinister augur); that it had in conic qnence been prohibited by the late King, bat had been lately revived, and wasocleally the last piece at which the departed Queen was primal!—When will the age of marvels have an end! PROM 0,19,914149 TROD DAT AT OMR O'OLOOM .. RanOtne.l psi ft per Gent. Piney 101 i 3 per rent. Re 41.714 loath anarli 94 PG p p c ',Lew. foil..is7Bl Lag Ans. 907-16 i l'i per Cent. MI Ere4winner Dille 1; 19 p I WM* for Ace. 74 , Dossiers 4 per Cent. 91i .. . TM? 'STATESMAN. LONDON: JANUARY 20, 1819. In the Howe of Lords, last night, nothing of im portance occurred, ezeept an intimation from Lord Ltvaartsoz, in answer to ■ question horn Lord Hozsass, that on or before Tuesday nest the Treaties alluded to in the Speech of the Lords Corn. missionery would be laid before Parliament. In the House of Commons Mr. BENNE - rr, In ennsequence of pretesting a Petition from en inilisideal, who com plained of the sondoct of a Magistrote in 'erasing a licence to his public-house, gave notice that he woold, sport an early occasion, propose a Bill for better regeleting the power of Magistrates in granting or removing licences. That most interesting topic, the prevention for Bank Forgeries, was again intro. deceit by Sir JAHNS MACINTOSH, who moved for a velure of the number of its victims from the 10th of April, 1818, to the 28th of January, 1819, distio geishing the number convicted for each offence; also those convicted of having Forged Bank-notes in their possession, distiaesishing those convicted of hasieg In their possession Forged Notes purporting to be for 51. and upwards. Re missed his motion by a speech of some length, commenting upon the Report of the Commissioners; observing, that the only chance held out by then for the preventiou of Forgery depended spots the success of an untried esperiment. Mr. Cotorrawae replied, and observed, that the Coo. rolasioners had sanguine hopes of suree•s from the adoption of the plan they bad recommended, which they also thought might be still further improved, by bating combined with it the properties of some of the other plans that had been submitted to their consideration. In answer to a question front Mr. TITINIST, it HIS observed by Mr. COURTINAY, that a specimen of the Bank.note wbich they would recommend for adoption would be ready for losper.. l ties in the coarse of a month. Mr. Menem°, on the pert of the Bank, signified their readiness to stlopi • any alteration in the fabric of their notes that might tend to render the crime of Forgery more dilicurt. No opposition toss snarl* to the mitten. The discussion was interesting in many points of view, and tended at lest', by the moderate sod jedi• does declaration of the Member for Easter, to elley the growing impatience cf the Public ler two or three weeks at limit, till tb. prestige(' eeperiesmit shall bat ttild of " dimiliighing the facilities of Forging flink.nntes."—Tais is all Oak* most clin g :eine of the advocates for Abe contingence of the BA,,k Rpsiticiion can fairly torogaisi, or the most credulous of thy Public believe. For a man, or men, to do that which cannot be imitated, Is a solecism in h words. To render the temptation to the crime less ,powerful will be gemethinz—bat Is cetera le cash payments will be every thing. Mr. BExstrr perseveres in enquiring into Prima Abs...; and, notwithstanding the obsorvatious of Sir T. H. MARTIN, the other day, and tho sneers Mi. nlsterial Advocates ever Once, guys Ro46*, on Wed. nesday,of a Motion he should make on Tuesday se's night, which would embrace the state of Convicts on board all the different kind of prise* ships, mad bring, of course, spin to sbe consideratioo of the 110060 of COIRIRINI9, the conlinenteot •f thews+ who are in transports censisrvii to New Signs Wales. The statements exhibited by Admiral. Masotti, ow which the Courier indulges his unenviable triampb, and "grins horribly, a ghastly mils," Provo ■o. thing more titan that certain Accommodations are 4. rested to be mods for the Cassias; but while the, show that tom Convicts only are Intended to oocopy each crib, they do oat deny that all ant *fate soloedy crammed into them. If any gimo umber of Cos. tints be 'flowed, as has boos styled, more emote than en equal amber of stases, the dilerooso between tb• span occupied by swami hammocks aid by crib*, is not computed io the calcolatiou ; sod if cribs OM end by soldiers, of as close restraint us those of Co*. alms, the liberty which soldiers eej•y of accomumso dating each other in who am of them, us well as ilf obtainiog relief and eats by other moses, is, ie the c-s. of Convicts, totally inapplicable, and not to he attained. Yet, much Importune. is attached to this compe ri.on ; end mach controlt is derived by the Courier from the consideration that be the restraints or pri vations whate►er they may be, no complaint is ever made by soldiers oboist their accommodation in transports. No ! Soldiers hare bees 100 long under training to be querulous. They are well and strictly disciplioed, without cessation, mud *reap tar appro. head that though their actual condition were Nene, it might perhaps be rather worse then better, if they centered to complain of it—in a troy that might be heard. They, besides, have leaders, •ho are east_ pelted to be carers!, while watchful, of them, as shepherds watch ever their flock ! Set the Gimlets, alas ! ate set • duck ; they are merely • herd ilieyf owned by none—they ere watched by erree, eseept Ste parsons who are leading them--eedilfhlb. ing the 4 not to pular*, 4th penlahmemL l aeor ere p re ed merely es • bard of indium behest, of swine bite which the devils bad entered, 'Why whom they had been driven into the sea. It is nate ral therefore to egret that missile of this descrip• lien will squeak when sharply leeched. If they wily chance to me the Witcher or his steel, b week! mem et if the bee bad entered their hearts. " Whet a confounded noise do yea make &beat holtieg!” says the man who thinks of ',ethics Pecept the market of his hogs. " See the pretty sheep, there! bow qaielly they Ile, though their legs be tied together ! They don't cry, set they, eves what they are g.log to be killed." I. a paragraph of last eight's (eerier, which ae.. knowledge', like the ding of Paussta's satirising friend, the receipt of certain stripes that bad bees hestowed open the writers for their remarks so slat they termed " the maudlin details of hardships to which felons are exposed," these Geetbuses at tempt to vindicate themselves from the Aeries of prrverereess and malignity, by referring in a sly, half•stllßed lone of triumph, to an estract frees the Report of the Select Committee on Transportation, presented to the Ream of COOII3IOUS, in July, ISM. Few anti slight, however, erode grounds which this garbled document affords for their vindicatiee. In comparison with the treatment of convicts in previ ous times, ohms 385 eat of 3833 are stated to ban died on teerd of transports, " being seedy etas ten," the system which prevailed at the period when the Committee was appointed, appeared to AIM es. objectionable. Bet the vale. of the testimony which they bring forward as eencleske evidence in their fa. veer, the writers of the Courier lake sassiest at the same time in such a manner to reduce, as to make it weigh but little. Either from 66 'eremite/as" sr " malignity," because Sir SAISOLL ROISILLT Chairmen of the Committee, they think proper to soars to env of the allegations of the Report the following note :••••••• This was a mistake of the Com mittee."—%Vbst a specimen of the lodgment of 1111, Courkr ! What consistency, is adducing and ie. vendetta; the authority of their document ! What staff as proof sad argument they know their steal readers can be made to swalloot Paris Pipers to the 2Gth bate been eiteilvid. The rimoar of the indisposition of the Qaten of Swtovs is contradicted. General Exclusamq, one of the Elites, availing himself of the King's cleviritry, hat arrived at Paris. The Duke of GLaucCITZI is timi dity visited Mos,' Era, and la the et.niag was st a party at the residence the Dike DE DUSAN the King's Gra( Gentleman of (I'2 Chamber. The nIF of Sub•3ecc:tery of `ov't ou lorget esiits in au) FLANDRRS MAIL. Forvenro RT. JA Y. 19. Ifls Egeolleney the Coon' de Hoot gelraoenstein, Minister President of she Diet, 'Trilled here yesterday nosing. Mr. Coles, the bookseller of Stutgerd, hos jest published a Petition of Count Las Coos tr. the Bri. fish Parliament : this Petition ervetsins °cubing more than what we have already reed is the writings of M. firs Coals on the saw subject. Bousset.s, JAN. 21.—111 s Msjesty the King hes passed a (Wive, {messing, by 146 florin', the se. lard of a certain number of the Catholic clergy. BILLISSILS, JA S. 43 —M. I. P.C. Janssens, Lieu- tenant-Colonel, Knight of the Legion of Homier, eqt. joying • pension from his Msjes'y Ike King of the Netherlands, was see of the persons arrested at Brussels daring the visit of the Emperor Alexander. He wee cooked 66 days, and 15 au secret, accused, as he writes to us (Vrai Liberal), of a conspiracy, es false as absurd, tending to arm the inhabitants against neck other. and so excite civil war end mas sacre In the kingdom. Being foetid innocent, he was released on the 13th of Jimmy. Ile attributes the misfortune which Mss befallen him to having met wish a person whom he knew ootbing of, till the day before he was arrested, and who told him, as a piece of news, that the Kmaperor Alassndor was go ing to place the (MI of Napoleon on the Throne, and to proclaim Maria Louise, Regent ; a piece of news which he listeoed to with contempt. This per son, named I.seroix, who rays he was formerly e Chesseer io the French serviee, bed been presented to bim by a man waned Francois, a comb-esker. whoa he bad formerly seen bearding at the house of the resiarreteur. Morose, Wroth sod Francois are still ire eenkeemeat. TO COIiRIIPON DEN TIL ••• We will gladly octopi the %tierce or Tile Hl•row♦ el Tilt Bata 01 ENGLAND. II will be eeasosably dead to the P.blic al Ibis tins. we shall be coal to hese (be isfenmellee wide% Wevnnot rmignisoten. Wear, bappy at all 'lair, tostteaeibee or wowed rwr owe opiniormiopoo wen ur measures l cow fealty tree'', si Is law time. that we are not Is Iho •sere/ ad► devooffiradeet alludes to. W. M. mike Gem lhai hes taro roweired. sai mien have • plow. • ) % a %..../* - I 1