The Statesman. — London, England, 1814-04-19 00:00:00

• s ~. 4 4 4: p" ; " Gedtlemin (MneSfepheyYsvould contend that there was a vested tight in a lease of absence, as well as in an office held or pleasore.—[4 laugh.] The lion. Gentleman then read n Copy of a Commission by which the Office of Receiver at Berbice was granted to •he Hon..G. Capell, who is also a Commissioner of Land 'Fax in the county of itaffotd. He contend ed that this Commission having, like all others, a declaration that the office was only holden during the King's pleasure, it could not surely be necessary to pass a law to compel residence. The advocates of this Bill (said-the ilon. Gentleman) are sespicious reformers : for in the first place it is they who have sinned.—r No! from the Ministerial Dench.]-0n looking over the list of place-holders in question, the names of Lord Hobart and Lord Castlereagh look occurred several. times. Indeed the m hole an :slimy for the pcsetttiltill arose from one little,pas sage, tie. " And .1w it tur4her enacted, that nothing it, this Act sholl,be'conetrued to extend to any exist. . in appointment, or leave of absence granted before." laugh, and /gear Ii —By this pretty desire was intended to support the leave of absence, which the proposers of the Hill well knew.to be too rotten to 'support themselves. if the Hill was pressed, he should divide the Mato on It, and propose what he thongbt.utould he a much better measere—a Resolu- Oen that the law had been violated in the letter, in the case of the holders of Colonial offices by patent ; and in the spit it and effect by the holders of those of f ices by commissions. lie thought an attention to this sub ject was particularly called for at the present tithe, from the near prospect we now had of peace, when a number of most meritorious persons, in consequence of the dim inution of our naval and military establish. meats, w ould be reduced to a scanty half-pay. It, was not surely at such a time as this that those places, which might •be conferred as an honourable reward en the services of our gallant countrymen, should be disposed of to increase Miiisterial patronage. The Hon. Member concluded with moving, as an Amend ment, instead of the mortis " that the Silicaker do leave the Chair," tile following Resolution : " hat it appears to this House, that its theft! ofthe King. on rer•ot,, holding Colonial appointments are permitted to re. side in this country. that nevertoeless ninny peruse holding suds nim..iniments by patent, do reside in this country. contrary to the expo .14 liner .1f the Art. and many other., not holding them pnlott, conlr/ry to its evicht.t meaning and spirit ; that this in sufabow and itiolatiuu of iht law calling loudly fat enquiry allorrretiott.:, Mr. WIitTBREAI) seconded the Amendment. Mr. GOOLBURN, in reply, stated, that when he first brought in this Bill not a murmur of opposi tion hail been raised against it, except by the Hon. Gentleman (Mr. cteevey), and that now it seemed the objert,to get rid of it altogether. This Bill was vitot!meant to sanction abuses, but to be beneficial to' 3 de Colonies. And *it was at least some presumption ' in is favour that it Wll6 the very identical Bill which tied; been brought In in 1782, and which was so litothapplauded by the Hoe. Gentleman. It was, 116 V• Liner, oljected to at that tittle, u if- it was meant to , littroduce a general plan of reform in our colonial establishments, and, therefore, the provisions of the ' Bill had been uspresslv restricted to patent places.— ' The same clause had also been introduced on that oc casion as at present, to prevent its trenching on any existing, interest. . . Sir .FAMES M ACKINTOSH thought the regale 'tines relating to leave of abseutas wise and salutary. Ile could not certainly. agree with, his. lion. and Learned Friend (Mr. Stephen), with regard to the principle of any Dee baling a " vested right" in a , place held during pleasure. Be besides the inviolable regard which ought to be had to legal property, even those claims and expectations which were founded only on custom and the established practice of the I Legislature, were entitled to extreme indulgence and tetteerne:•:. Hi agreed with a went and wise man (Mr. Burke), from whom he wished to borrow all his plans and all his ideas of reform, that in all such pro posed remedies of existing abuses time, with respect 'to the individual. was every thing, and to the public was as nothing. Those reforms were, therefore, in his opinion, best which did not interfere with any imme diate interest. and which had only a prospective operation. lie could not, however, approve the pre sent bill, as certainly the appointments which had Aiken place since 17iit were a series of abuses and of eiasions of the law ; and to throw a • large mass of ' patronage into the hands of Ministers, which would be the effect of the present Bill, would be to reward them for the delinquencies of their predecessors. Mr. .T KPH EN observed, that the Ron. Gentle men on the other side Were unusually fair and can did upon the former discussion of the measure be fore the (louse, and that it was a pity, for their own sakes, they should have changed their tones. Upon the former occasion they were loud io cheering the proposition, as a measure of reform, whereas it now provoked their opposition. Thus it appeared, that netwiths , anding the professed anxiety of these Gen tlemen for reform, they were rather jealous as to the quarter with which it originated—that they were net to be contented with any measure of reform coming from the side of the house to which he be lohged. As to the objection against the saving clause, with regard to existing offices, he could not help expressing his surprise at the inconsistency of those by whom it was urged, while they avowed their admiration of the original Act from which this very saving clause was copied. The Learned Gentleman' remarked upon the animadversions which had been made respecting his use, in a former debate, of the phrase 44 vested interests," and said, he was sorry that his Learned Friend who had just spoken was lost present when he used that phrase, in order that he might have saved his friends from a blondes' who had thought proper to bring forward so much com., rnent, or rather clamour, against his (Mr. S.'s) mode of applying the phrase, for nothing could be more ex travagant cr' shocking is ordinary conception, than the manner in which his application of this phrase had been interpreted. Really, those Gentlemen, and particularly an Hon. Gent. (who was generally pretty prompt in his repartee and sarcasm) seemed to think that 64 vested interests" could only apply to patella places. Although the description was indisputably applicable to many places not appointed by patent, and to disregard the rights belonging to persons hold ing - .such places in any Legislative arrangement, would, in his judgment, be highly unjust. To put down existing rights would indeed he to convert ptiblic-spirited rational reform into jacobinical re- grATESMAN. ,- Till Bill under consideration, because those Resolutions would serve to enforce the residence of. the principal oficeril,- which was tthe more necessary, as the tie . poly offices *ere notoriously sold to the highest bid ders ; of course liable to be held by exceptionable persons. These Resolutions would theriforo be productive of a most salutary Reform ; and having mentioned Reform, the Learned Gentleman's use of the word " Jacobinical," which he confessed he. now heard with surprise, naturally occurred to his me mory. In using it, he most take leave to say, that the Learned Gentleman (Mr. Stephen) was rather a day after the fair," and felicitous as the Learned Gentleman was in his diction, he thought he would have been somewhat novel in his expression, and laid aside an old obsolete word referring to what was past and gone, never, he hoped and trusted, again to retiwn.—[Hear, hear !]—After dwelling forcibly upon this point, and illustrating the ineffi ciency of the Bill which prescribed the observance of a law, while by a special clause it saved - those by whom it was violated, expressed his resolution to op pose it, es fraudulent and delusive. Mr. MARRYATT, in explanation, said, that his observations applied solely to places held by Commission, and not those which were held by pa. fortis—{a laugh].--The perils of the climate of the West Indies ought to be considered by the House upon this occusion, and he asked, whether those who had been rewarded for great public. seryiees, byatp poivemeets in Met climate, should be compelltd uni formly to reside there-?-should be prohibited ftom occasienally returning to Europe to recruit their health—to purge off the drois of inferior society, and Anteus-like, to profit by retouching their native earth—[a laugh]? The Learned Gentleman con ' eluded with a panegyric upon the character of Sir Evan Nepean. , Mr. CILEEVEY, in explanation, stated, that his object was to provide that those who performed,the duty of an office should. receive the salary attached to it, or that, if they neglected 'the duty, they should be deprived of that salary. ! Mr. I'. MOORE conceived, that no adequate Parlitimentary ground had been laid for the Bill he ' fore the House, and called to the recollection of the Learned * Gentleman who spoke lest l . that the cheer ' ing to which he allpded in a former debate, was ex citedly the declared disposition of a Minister to sa crifice patronage and promote , reform. The cheer ing then applied to a nrinciple, and not to this Bill, I whiCh was not at all in consonance with that prin ciple. . • Sir SAMUEL ROMILLY differed from the Learned Gentleman (Mr. Stephen) as to the meaning i of " vested interests," which, in fact, according to law, were understood to meats rights, of which the !holder could not be legally divested. " Vested in terests," therefore, very materially differed film con tingent or merely existing interests, to which the Learned Gentleman appeared to think the phrase tip teicaltlee or his use of the phrase bad no application to his argument. Mr. STEPHEN explained.. • Mr; MARRYATT supported the Bill, which he hoped woeld serve to increase the number of respect. , able white population in the West Indies, the de r crease of which, especially of late years, was a se i rious disadvantage to our colonies. Mr. WHITBREAD said, that in the first in stance he should take the liberty of paying his personal respects to the Learned Gentleman (Mr. ' Stephen), who had so particularly alluded to him, and whom he therefore wished to have immediatefy' followed. The Learned Gentleman had thought DUTCH : PAPERS. proper to attribute to him (Mr. W.) a capacity for ---esee-- - • , repartee, but he must decline the compliment ; and 1 as to sarcasms, he had no talent for them, but if he ' ROTTERDAM, APRIL IG.—The following accounts I even had, they could riot affect the Learned Gentle- of %hit has passed at Fontainblenu are considered as man. Indeed he professed to disregard them, and authentic, coming from one of the most respectable Officers of the French army : : justly, for against him they must be ineffective— On the Ist of April, in the morning, Bonaparte they must fall from him. imbellia tela.— T P laugh.] • reviewed the troops which he seemed to consider as But as to the phrase, " vested interests, 6 it appear his own; the Marshals and Generals who had learned ed, that notwithstanding the Learned Gentleman's from the P ruminations upon the subject during the recess— a per s 'the resolutions of the Sceate and the Provisional Government, conversed together on notwithstanding his overstrained endeavour at defile ' dein to cover his use of that pltrase i t •" , was st ilt ob - the subject loud enough to be heard by Napoleon, Ibut he appeared to pay no attention to what they vlously inapplicable to his argument. .Tbe Jeeerned ;said, and the review, passed quietly.. When it was Gentleman had perhaps used tt in a former Wittiness, because he thought he was not addressing au as. i over. Marshal Ney, as had' been settled, entered the sembly of lawyers—because he calculated upon the , Keace with him and followed him into :his cabistet, k- where he asked him if he was informed of the great influence of an imposing phrase upon comparatively ' revolution that had taken place at Paris. He replied superficial men. His calculation, however, proved with all the composure he could assume, that he erroneous, and he was this day proved by high legal , knew nothing of it, though he was doubtless well 'authority, to have made an improper application of informed of the whole. The Marshal then gave him .a phrase which he ought to have understood. Bet I • 1 the Paris Papers, which he seemed to read with at the highest authority, in his, estimation, was Mr. tension, but he was only se 'king to gain time to corm Fox, and that distinguished Statesman applied in that .' an answer. Mean time came Marshal Lefebre, who, House the phrase of " vested interests" only to . addressing his late Emperor in a feeling tone, said, patent places, which he compared to freehold rights. " It was however reserved for the Learned Geutlemao You' are undone; you would not listen to the councils of any of your servants, and note the Se to maintain that vested interests were tantamount to existing that Sir Evan Nepean had truly , (safe has declared that you hove forfeited the throne. ° interests, These words made such an impression on him, a freehold right, because .Evan held an office which ' • Who was used to consider himself above all laws, that office he had—[a laugh] ;—that Mr. King, too ' had ' he immediately burst into a flood of tears ) and after the same right, and for the same reason. The some minutes reflection, wrote an act of abdication Learned Gentleman was angry, it appeared, because he had been called in the course df this debate a ht favour of his son. Muter in Chancery ; but he (Mr. W.) was quite at ! Another Officer, who was likewise a witness of what passed, relates, that on the sth, about eleven a loss to conceive the cause of that anger ; for, wasl o'clock, several Generals sent to the Duke of Bas. he not a Master in Chancery ? and what could now ' sano who was mostly alone with the Emperor,to dis disturb him on that point ? It miebt have been that suede him from appearing on the Parade. But he he was much disturbed before he became a Master : would not refrain from it. About half-past eleven , by the doubt and difficulty of attaining the office :' he formed a plan, which he made the Duke of 14as. some might have strongly opposed, although others sano write and sign with him, to repair with 20,000 strongly recommended Isis appointment; and the throes men, that he had still with him, to Italy, and join and swellings of suspense which agitates a the Prince Eugene Napoleon. He repeated several nymph before she is brought to the altar to consent times, " " If I choose to go there, lam certain that mate her wishes, might possibly have agitated the. ' Learned Gentleman; but now being actually a all Italy will declare for me. On the Parade he Master in Chancery, and knowing that no Chancel- looked horribly pale and thoughtful, and his convul lor could turn him out (unless he misbehaved, which sive motions showed his internal struggles; he did not loop above eight or ten minutes. When he got was improbable), although a Chancellor might have into the Palace he sent for the Duke of Reggio and objected to .his original appointment, why should he asked him if the troops would follow him ? " No, be so angry at the description of his office? — Sir," answered the Duke, " you have abdicated."— The Hon. Gentleman reviewed the circumstances " Yes, but upon certain conditions."—" The sol of Sir E. Nepean's appointment, who was pledged Biers," resumed the Duke, "don't comprehend the by the words of the Act under which he accepted it, difference, they think you have no more right to to have held and personally perform the duties of it. consmand them."—" Well then," said Napoleon, For such was the condition, and it appeared that so " this is no mere to be thought of, let us wait for Sir Evan understood it himself. For if he (Mr. W.) the accounts from Paris." were rightly informed, Sir Evan Nepean actually went to Jamaica in order to obtain leave of absence Tire Marshals returned in the night between twelve l e from the office, and in Jamaica he remained two and'one. • Marshal Ney entered first , —" W 11, h ave days, when no doubt he felt the peril If the cli- you succeeded ?" exclaimed the Emperor. mate, and returned to purge off the dross of West " Revolutions do not turn hack, this has begun its India society, to retouch, Anteus e like, his native course; it was too late. To-morrow the Senate will earth, and become a giant, like the Learned Gets- recognize the Bourbons." tleman.—[A laugh.--Was, be would ask, such a I " When' shall Ibe able to live with my family ?" palpable fraud and abuse of the law to be over. 1 " When your Majesty shall please, and for ex looked? Yet such evasion might go an under the , aniplein the Isle of Elba, with a revenue of six mil• saving clause in this Bill. But a warm climate had lions." not, it seemed, such terrors for Sir Evan Nepean, t " Six millions ! • that is a great deal for a soldier, for leaving the West Indian office,, wlaCh he ob- as I am. I see very well I must submit. Salute all tained in 1809, he in 1812 accepted the office of ley cernpanions in arms." Governor of Bombay, where he now was perfOrm. I , Here Napoleon ceased speaking. ing his official duty. Was this, he would appeal to I . The following circumstances may be added : common sense and justice, consistent with law or I FotO days ago Napoleon thought of passing a De propriety ? Adverting to the observations of his cree ' inflicting the penalty of death upon every one Hon. Friend (Sir James Mackintosh) ) he remarked, who should be found to have a newspaper in his that such men as Sir Evan Nepean, Mr. King and pocket. The evening before his dethronement he Lord G. Seymour, could not be supposed to violate made a Colonel a present of en estate in Westphalia. the law through ignorance. At all events, such ig.! , The EMperor'Of Russia, immediately on his ar norance could not be allowed to excuse them, while. rival at Paris, rode on horseback t•a the Thuilleries ) the plea of ignorance was not allowed in this coun- examined every thing, and praised the taste with try to excuse even the criminality of a child. With 'which it was adorned. " 1 have found Paris very a view to promote the residence of a respectable Ate," said his Majesty, " but I shall leave it in a white population in the West Indies, which an Hon.. much more flourishing condition." Member (Mr. Marryatt) justly considered so advan. Being shown the Saloon of Peace,he said, " What tageous, he (Mr. W.) thought the Resolutions of his use could Bonaparte make of this Saloon?" Honourable Friend, were infinitely •preferable to the When he came to' the greatjallery of the Museum, • tent. Mr. W. BATHURST said a few words which we could not distinctly hear. • , Sir F. F LOQI) declared he should deliver his opi nion according to his conscience, and therefore he should vote for the Bill. • The House then went into a Committee, 'in eghich Mr. A. BROWNF proposed several clauses, all of which were rejected. ; . Upon the saving clause a division took place, when the numbers were 33 for retaining, and 9 for omitting it. o Th e 'louse then . resumed s when the Report was orderea to be received to-morrow. Tlie other Orders of the 'Day were then dia -1 dosed of. . The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER postpnned the reading of the East India Shipping Bill till Thursday se'nnight, after which the House adjourned. he said, " ten days are necessary to see this line Cal . lection." Observing that some pictures were re . moved, he said, " his character must have be en quite Misunderstood, if any fear had been eatertained for the Museum." The Emperor laughed, though not with bitterness, at the fear with which it bad been attempted to inspire the Parisians. The moi,u went of the Place Vendome is under th e protection of the high allied Powers ; the statue o f Bonaparte, at the top of it, is to be replaced by th at of Peace. As the Emperor Alexander rode by it, he said, " I should be afraid tf becoming g idd y, g i stood so high." 44 Your Majesty's arrival at Paris has been long expected and desired," said somebody. 66 should have been here sooner," replied the Emperor: 4 ( at e tribute my delay to the French valour." lfilis . Majesty goes every morning and evening, with some Staff Officers, to attend Divine Worahip in his eitspel,,made at the Bureau of the Marine. PRICE OF STOCKS THIS DAT AT ONE . O'CLOCK i Sank :559 • India Bond 11 9 p . 3 per Cent. Red. 66 Iii .5 I Exchequer mu g 51 • 9 pet Gent. Cori. fin 6 t il thunitn , 19 18 , 1 II per Ceuta. 811 801 Pax ditto 20k 191 5 per Cott. I` ;Ivy 951/0 Cousola for Acct. 67/ 6 71 7 Long. Ann. 151 16 ... THE STATESMAN. LONDON: TURSDAT, APRIL 19, 1814. French Mail arrived this morning, hringieg ' Paris Papers of the 15th and 16th, Friday aitd Its. • turday last. The Empero• FaAmors'arrived on the • former day. The Emperor of RUSSIA, the King of Paws's, the Crown Prince nt . SWEDES, NEC. SCHWARTZENBERG, with 11187,11 Brent Stalls, went Out —to accompany his entrance, and they were met ea the Boulevards by MoNsreon, at the head of the National Guard. The whole of :these illustrious :Personages'. attended his Austrian Majesty to the Palace Borghese, mhere his' residence is fixed. We are not told when the Swedish. I French, or Freuch-Swedish Prince arrived. His name is mentioned in the dryest manner, in the enumeration of persons attending the entry of the • Emperor FRANCIS. He is evidently no longer , o prosperous a gentleman as he was soave mouths ago; and if the Norwegians make a determined stand for their independence, we should not be surprised if the GC magnificent guarantees," .which sanctioned the me. ' ~vexation of that coutitry to Sweden, proved of !Mk^ actual utility. BONAPARTE remained st Fontainbleau to the 16th, detained, it is said, by a cutaneous disorder, which renders the baths necessary for him. We have: not /before heard of his being so afflicted, though such disorders are, of all others, the least likely to hg concealed. Can this be merely a pretext for his detention ? The Ea. EMPRESS set out, on the 12111, from Orleans to Ratn. bouillet, in consequence of dispatches received the night preceding. She is abOut tes , have an iutervie# with her Royal Father. Perhipe.4he delay of 80.. NAPARTE'S journey has souse connection with ' this interview, which may be designed to affack I some alteration in his destiuy. General STEW' ART has been dispatched to the head.quar ters of Lord WeLtanniosi and Marshal Souvr.— . The Provisional Government has been placed in the hands of MONSIEUR till the arrival of the KING.—, The Senate and Legislative Body waited upon hint on the 14th, to announce this decree. Some of the expressions employed on the occasion are remarks. ble. TALLEYRAND Says, " instructed by the pre. sent and the past, it (the Senate) desires, in cam; mon with the nation, for ever to found the Royal Authority on a just division of power, and on the public liberty, which are the only securities of the happiness and liberty of all." To which of the an cestors of MONSIEUR might such language have been addressed ? Mossrsua, in his reply, states, that finis without express authority •o accept tl4 Constitution ; but that he is sufficiently acquainted with the KING'S dispositions and designs, to take upon himself to accede to it, without any appre hension of his conduct being disavowed. ISAVARY, CIIAMPAGNY, and Count MOLI, hare sent in their adhesions. PARIs, APRIL 15.—T0-day, at eight in the moru ing, the National Guard was under arms, and pro. ceeded to the different posts, which had been pointedl . • out by the Meneral Commander in Chief. At ten o'clock his Majesty the Emperor of Auss trin entered Paris by the barrier du Trone. Salutes of artillery announced his arrival itr the capital.— I The Emperor Alexander and the Kii'g of Prussia had' preceded his Majesty. His Royal Higintesti Mon sieur, escorted by the National Guard on horseback, received the three Sovereigns on the Botilevards of the Temple. They were accompanied by the Prince Royal of Sweden and Prince Schwartzenherg, and surrounded and followed by numerous and brilliant Staffs, and strong detachments of infantry and cis valry. The National Guard formed the line. The Allied Troops were assembled in the Place de Louis XV. Their Majesties passed them is res view, and saw them file off. , . t , A i After the parade, his Majesty the Emperor tte • Austria, repaired to the palace Borghese, which he, will occupy. lie was re-conducted by his IHighness Monsieur s who. afterwards returned ro the palace of the Thuilleries, continually accenting ..-----_.--_—____- - _—. 4_4— ---4.7______•minermAT Arr. .Mails.. - - Oft 0 Got t esbprgis A . 1 1 ,