The National Register. — London, England, 1819-12-20 00:00:00

DEC 20. (loin the penalties attaching on other strangers. Ile would p ro p os e to give the magistrates n pow. r to refose or enure admission to reporters en their disereti .. . The Note() Lord bad not brought forward the clause which lie laid given hope. to expect 011 a former night ; and, therefore, he ( lr. Home.) felt al bil del) 10 propose one. 'rue lithium - I;We Member wax proceeding, when The SPEA K EK suggested that the close of Mr. Wharton w 110 t yet disposed of, and that till them nu other could he received. Mr. COURTEN %Y then moved, John Cam Hoblionse had been guilty of such lireach of privilege.—Ageeed to ; with the dissenting " No" of Sir F. Burdett.—Mr. Coin teney also moved. as an intermediate step, that Mr. Hub /sonic be committed to the Nerjeaist at Arms So-night. Mr.BROUGHAM deemed this to be a 'my unneces sary. step a .evviity. Mr. Hobltouse was absent to see Isis father, who was very ill; aud why should this course he pnrimeil ? Mr. COURIENEY was quite amazed at this observe aion. He wade She intermediate minim in compliance milli the wish of Mr. H.'s mend. There was now no Intermediate course left for hint; he should theiefore rise motion of Mr. Wharton was 'lieu put and oegutived without a division. Mr. iiij%lE then rend his el:1114P, proposing In make it hinted fora Lieuteoanl, a Sheriff, a Juauce aline l'eoce. 4.• admit reporters to public meetings Nino giving their name, their plate of abode. ale. It was In he left fa the discretion of the inkcistrate wbills.sr he ovoid grant nifints. ) VMS or not. but baying the Tower to admit, it in;ght be expected that he woul4 list refuse to exerrise it. . bit tbis e1:m.4.116e tf °use divided For it dal Aguinit it, 241 t Miijority, 17 --•- - - When we were re-ivl•nitted into tae 'starry, we round Mr. C. MU rcuINSON Inuring it cluar., that the hill tiLoultl ant extend to litiand. Mr. PLUNK 1:11 . xotd that the members for Ireland agreed'', the rut ta,iou of the boll to their country, because they felt tb it there evattd a warm ul viuleike tad intim riatinn Hr. TIERNEY said, that he cou'd not help etisressin: tis astmoi.loneut at the inconsistency of the Noble Lord', 'conduct. They had had report► of committees, and alsrat • inc reports t kes had hien. to lan. I lie rosprosoto at tile habeas carom. hid hero founded open thew mouth., but Ireland sr o hen. th•d the eat on sit Ireland ❑t 1811 W.lll a _a n d reason tor iorltinin.t it 1111 Isl 9, 11( ciluid we no reason for it. (Hear, lob. ) Lorin/ CASrLf.IGII dented ,hat the flange was groan/ no ISi7. Fair rvtl now wa, more s.eiviiiatic and more dangerous Shut in 11117. In extending the tura ure ro whci tni4nt sip no duitaist timid( hr riqisrill. it wos.therefory h• tier to gi•e it at mire, (A I itt.m.) NI - . lilt 011 (i IA %I su.t, I ISA Ihr reason attigned by the Kohl_ Load for mouldering thr clanger greater now I Int 7, appeared to be very nnumie.d, fhe d.s,i err uere venter. % Because in Intl the Nohle Load was ratiracd with a c 1111 l MOO 1k.1% a rod of reoreo.on seas used.-(lp;sr.)-- in list I we wanted but uoe twasure.. NOW Ili; iv ar appit it. II was ienviri...bir that gentl. men so wall) forintr former ' , vents, rod drought each mem ming p.. rind the world the mold ever raw. liner or fuer pt nods oftins kind 'mottled in tbecouire of rwrry tu.tti s lite, ,ach boroming its karst, she work that 4111 s ever kuoa is. Toe /Sable Lord had fnr“ . .itten he did mu blame him. for 01 did 11—but lie boil quite fati gui len Site dangers in IYI7. Hr might prthaps be confounding in some ineittnie what had nee., provost in a court or jutilien afterriaids n ill. parts of the repseis ; but let his nicht lion. fraud (Alr..Pitioitirsi) look at the reports, and it be could ray that the ice e- • ovulation of our slanger 'tone was greater, he (Mr. BrOnnliant) would not claim 111.11 Ville 111/On the 'item HI question. (Hear. hear.) There had been the Stivoccasi +pitons, ' the landholder was to be plum/vied, but the fosidlsoltler was to be rootud out as a eniimser And yet we were DON told that we were in a wore Cale that! 111 Intr. For the classic, GO I Against it, 26 I Majority, 194. (hi our Worst so the gone. y. we .toussil Sae Wow. diss. (146afil‘ tease yes bal pinfrieflusiraw , in the body of the Bill. The Honer adjusts lied at 2 o'Ll.ck. TuEsnalC. DEC. IC -Mr. D. W. lIARVEN observed, Cud about two years ago :here had i,bued a Commission to , tnquire into abuses in Inc Excise Board and Department t the ;louse had not ad yet heard any dung of time result; he wished to know w h et h er any reports bad been made? Mr. LUSIIINGTON replied in the affirmative. observing. that he had nu objection to their production, provided they were moved fur. Ain't. W. HARVEY remarked. that as reports had been made, and as Caere would be no objection to produce them, he should, on an curly day, submit a motion to the House oh the subject. lle Avoid not name the dAy now. Lord PALMERSTON presented k rortions of the Army Estimate., And gave noticetbat. as the Fatimates could nut be completely matfett'', be ',Wald on Friday move for a grant on account—a grant on account of the Ordnance would also be moved for on Friday. REFORNI t>lF DOROUGIIS.—GnAmrousn. Lord J. rose to make his promised motion. He said he brought it torward under great thtficultiee. and at an alarming moment—at a time when there was great and dangerous . transition in the public mind. On one hand, too much was asked ...-what would endanger the Constitution t on the other there Was as dangerous a set usal of all enquiry or correction of the evils. The helmet that there was something wrong in the practice of the Constitution. particularly of that (louse. was not new. Ulcer, hear.) When in late years. ditiieultWs pressed upon the people, they were accustomed to look into the Constitution of that House, and into the anode of con. trouling the expenditure. Mr. Pitt had so expressed himself on bringing torward his celebrated Beforni Motion, He detailed the evils of the system, pointed to the causes of them, andeasked when such farts were manifest, was their not proof of radical defects %--(lleer)..-The spirit of the Constitution, by the ancient practice of it. proved that it admitted of amelioration and amendment to meet existing circumstances and new nitri culttes. 'fliere were many said interesting rads. (without entering into any examination of the diffirent systune of reforin which had been pressed forwaid in our time) that when difficul ties anise. the remedy supplied by Parlitunesit was that of tepresentation. The instance of Chimer was a remarkable proof of such fact. But he would not believe that it would be urged the power to make such changes dish not exist. or that there were were not precedents for such procee' ' got. *1 fiche were to be found. It Low appeared that nein) of the Boroughs openly 'aid their rights, while there were large districts thickly peopled, tar which no representatives were required to be returned. This matte that House not that representative of the whole nation s e 'tautly as it ought to be. There were many Boroughs that regularly sent their agent, to the treasury to have names appointed and sums fixed; this was deemed the most respectable ;node. Those Bo:ought' also were open to the speculations o .bees rung or ambitieusiedividuale—of those who warrt;tl dtbti THE N,ATIONAL REGISTER. from ministers paid, who wanted to repair their fortune* or to get places. And such system gave ministers an undue influence —to make wars and impose taxes without that controul of the representatives of the people which was contemplated by the Constitution. Yet while those Boroughs were at the mercy of tninisters, there were places whim had become excedingily populous in recent times and therefore merited the cmisideratina of the House—such places as Manchester, Ncc. which had increased four and live fold. Thus, instead of the system " work ing well'—such arosinalies lind risen up, noel large plum were without Reepresentatives, while places that merely nominally existed, returned 'AI cm bees- But it might he said that those places Inui not petitioned ; when they did petition or address, then their proceedings were complained of; and if they did not petition, then such fret was to be used against them ; but would it not b hard-heartedness to legislate on such facts and feelings. To she• that the influence of Government was almost predominant, the Noble Lord mentioned the Met of the great maturity of County Members being found in support of most imporunt muttons against influence and extravagance, such motions being never theless lost, in consequence of the prepondeniting numbers gain ed from the Borough Alembers. Did not such facts speak strongly in illustration of li is geneml line of argument? he thougli their tendency was thereby established. As to those Resolutions with which lie should conclude with moving, he thought, in wk. ing away die franchise from Grampound, it could nut be said such place would remain unrepresented. (Blear, hear!) His Re solutions were limited in their extent—they did nut go to the extinction of all the Boroughs, but that ought to be the•next step; and then lie would same in the Reform on principle, and that wooltt lead to nothing less thaisa re-construction (lithe House of Coutinens. (Hear, hear.)—l'he outline of the constitution of that House traced Counties, Cities, and Boroughs—sand it was in Such state when Nloniesquicu pronounced the Bepresentati• system of this country to be perfect in theory, and successfid in • practice. lie only want oil to see them restored to their due in fluence in •6.• tenoning of Representatives; and if he could be hold the bounties, Cites, and Boroughs restored to their due influence in the Representetiv , r part of the Geo:examen' of the Country. He hoped that a spirit of conciliation would yet be adopted—he felt assured that it would be of most useful tendency• It the love of liberty existed, and if it were felt, that with such love of liberty ttry had no share in the state, then would the iera of civil disainuon have arrived ; and then might the efforts in an ambitious Xing, Peer, ur Demagogue be the wed-grounded source of slam. lie concluded anotist loud cheers, and move.. the following series of Resolutions;— First, That it is expedient that all Sorougns, in which gross and nomninis Bribery should be provost to prevail. should cease to return Members to serve in Parliament; provision bring made to allow such of the Electors es shall not have been proved guilty of the sal offence, to give votes at any Election to be held for the County in which soot Limousin shall be respectively situated. Secondly, That it is expedient that the right of returning Members to serve in Parliament, so taken from any . Borough which shall have been proved to have been guilty of Bribery and Corruption, should be given to some great town, the population of which than nut be less that' 1-3,tsuo settli• or to sptite Or the largest Counties. Ttlirdly. That it is the ditty of thi; Reuse to consider of fur ther means to detect and pievent rotruptten in the Election of Al embers of Parliament. Borough of Graropnund. in which gross and notorious corruption has been proven to prevail, du Ceiikt: to send Nlenibcrs to this House. . ..... --- Lord NORMANDY fox to second the resolutions. Whenever tru,ts had been corruptly used. they ought to be considered a. forfeited; besides. he who bought Lts seat "pooh be ready to sell h . lf. What security had they against such proceedings? :Stich Members might be honest—and tiny ought sell themselves —.but surely they were any thing but Representatives of the People. in the am,titittional sector. Surely that Cornish article of ❑wnutieeture wz,s not the most useful to the country. Lull CASTLEREAGH said. he had no objection to what seemed to be the main object of the Noble Lord—the oisfrim chisement of Grampound. lie suggested whether it would not be better to withdraw the resolutions, which enibmcs:ii much debute.ibie matter, and introduce a Dill WI114:11 would ieromplisli that object, touching which there wit. likely to be but little dif. fertaice 01 opinion; at least their minds would be directed to some definite object. Alter some remarks from Mr. Tierney and others. congratu latory of minim:lt concession Lasing been gained, the resolutions were withdrawn, and Lord .1. IIUsSELI., gave notice. that on an early day he should move for leave to bring in a Dill accordingly, to disfran chise the llorough of Grampound, mod to trans:tr the right of returning two Alsnibers to I arirairrent to sonar populous towti. The other orders of die day having been disposed M s the Searching lin Anus Bill. esc the linos,: 'Adjourned. wisps Esthvir, tiv.c. Li. EMPLOY NI EN'l . POOll. Mr. 111. WilliliAHAM presented a Petition from William Salisbury, preying the Home to take into consideration his int proved system toe tae employabent of the pour. The petitioner desired no pecuniary assidirocc--he only implored the House to enquire into his pluns. to observe the good etrects that lied resulted from an application of them, end w point out 1111e4113 fur the more general e.O rice ut diem. Mr. Aldirnian WOOL/ observed. that the system had been applied in the City House of Correction with sorms. t but whatever might be done. be trthlteti that the question would not Itooverburdeutd with Co iiiiii ittetti. Mr. B. W 11.1.111 All AM moved. that Mr. Sali.ibury's Petition be referred to s Cunintittoe, with direcuoos to report their opinion hereon. ..... Mr. HITSKISSON snw•no reform for delaying this Committee. for the I louve 'ight no• think it riper to appoint en colon.) , into xelivinex of such extensive elfecia ryMr..o en's, Motion wathdresti, wrd two tor the prtatios of the Petition curled. I. SOLVE NT DEBTORS. Lord Al.TlloHl'lt. roar to Inure lblcavc to bring in * Dill to extend ►elief to Insolvent Deb an a Daring Mivetted to the Act of the last Se,sion, he ohaerval. that hail he been their present. he certainly alasuld have orpoied it and he now desired that there should be mum: alteration in the Constitution of the Court, particularly by introducing the pnwer to institute exami nations Into the debts, (cc. previous to the appearance of die patties An Court. Ile was well satisfied wilts the conduct of Government in removing the late litnuttivi met .(Serje rat Dunoington), and all the cierks except one; owl be was au far gratified with the conduct of thepresent Conninsaioner (Reynolds) that lie should abandon the intention of proposing three Coin missioners instead or one. The ptsciotts enquiries lie proposed to be bcture examinant.; and he also suggeated that debtors should be ivmrpr•l/id to take ,he benefit ul me Insolvent Ilebtors' Act after a certain period. Ile should also profane that the property of the debtors. instead of be:log*ord, should be seqv,s trated tor the benefit of the cr:ditor►. f u r lite4ttit .►ct expires in April next, and unless lie could gain those leading objects whien he had now detailed. he should ',rem it to be los duty su oppose any renewal of the Insolvent Iklaers' Act. Ihe Motion was egrets:l to, anti leave Given to bring in the 413 were persons of great respectability engaged in the t üblishing trade, it this hill pas,ed they must give up their trades. Mr. BEIt YAl.said, the dignity and liberty of the rnuntry and the freedom of the prise, were inscparahly mfilletled . and he must therefore oppose the obnoxious clause of the Rill. Lord CASI'LEREA(.II obs-rved, that in the Com 1111 l ICILY he should propose alterations, particularly Cm ounasiim of the trans portation ; (Coma !) but he should retain the banishment part fur s...cond c..nvietions reonling bhu.pheminis and t nam. olds libel.. Ile hoped to ba aide to justify the retaining f such altemativ:!. Air. M. A. TAYLOR should protest a;7ainst the introduction of that mode of punishment, new to the low of England, termed banishment. lie should not be softened by the abandonment of the transportatimi clause ; the Lill would still be most objec tionable; indeed it would be amazing if the Ilnuse could he satisfied with such changes, when the Dills proposed nothing, les.i, within the wurse of tame weeks, than 11111014 to a.tif tim Constitution of the country. (Neat, bear.) Petition read, and orderod to be printed. STA M 1),AI BILL Leril ('ASTLEIt t; tluin rose to more the second reeding of the Newspaper Stamp Duties Bill. As many alterations cadre to be introduced, lie prto t iosed that the Hill would go through the Committee, and that the debate be taken on the bringing up of the report on Friday next. The tiroL id/cram:l would in:, to dcline the publications called periodi scl, as the object was not to interfere with d^ monthly or other puhlications regarding lucre: titsre, the arts, or ; it to write!' to tot one or two sheet publications, which, under the garb of pamphlets. interfered with newspaper: and the newspaper reguLiiions. !le also pr... posed to lessiss the amoult of the securities; the principle of rich securities be deemed it essential to retain, he stemming stun publications to constitute the great disn,er ; the alteration would be to lessen the tom from Mail. to Mail. for town, and 2001. for the country, trom the mumbling parties thentseleLs, and sureties ul other individuals to sunnlar Hit:omits. 1, Hear ) - Mr. TIERNEY and fiItOUGHAM expreNsed them selves apinst the princip.e of the Uill. and ninic cspetially against the principle of requiring sureties; and they begged that acquiescence in the present proposition might not be tioustruvd into any approbation of a measate which iihto.ltsgel most Lad inroads. dui read a second t4iie„ and ordr.red to be committed to morrow. The ;wend reading of the Seditious Libel Bill was postponed till Monday. The "fraver•ing fill MY read a second time. SEARLIIING gull A ki.AS BILL. On the motion that the report of title Bill he received. Mr. PAULI...XI' siiitie spinet the extetoion of the Bill to Durham. Lord CASTLEREAGH justified such extension of the Rills for the object was, tan only to cover the diseaseu parts, but WOW that were near such diseased parts. Mr. LAN BTON observed, that one part of Durham as much merited it as mai her part of it—and that was. not at all;—Lc therefore moved, that the report be fix:deed this day six months; on winch the House divided:— Ayes 38 Noes 9a. The report was then read and:Nodal to, and the bill ordered to be read a third titre to-morrow. _ . Tre remaining order. having been dispaied of. the Noun adjourned. TRunsn►v. D cc. NlO% SPATER STAMP. Nr. LIYSIIINGT(IN moved, shut the House resolve itsa into a Committee on the Nt:iittratitr Stamp Dune. Ite•'u:mnou Bill ; the 119:1SC uceurtlingly rt.o:vetl it., If into toeit Coo. niittua. Mr. LUSILINGTON bantlol in seine an:cu.:mews, 'thick wire not raid, but . . Mr. BHOGDEN, the chairman. rut the trrstien, that he do report this Bill, with amendments, to die House forthwith. Agreed to. BROGDEN brought up the Hewn, which was agreed to without hs , ing been read.lered w pr printed, end to be taken iota consideration on Fritlay. IRON COFFINS. Mr. G LAMB of rather an unusual nature; it was from the husband of a deceased lady, 'for whose remains he had been un.sbie to procure interment. in coosequehc: of those remains being contained in one of Mr. Badguisn's patent iron coffins. In cohoctoence. of such refusal the remains heti been above ground fur the hot eight months. Tile pets. !Muer tabled. that he itud chosen such coffin in.oorupliance with the dolt bed ihjunctiohs of his wile. who was opetated upon by the fear that her remains n:.ght be disturbed by what were calks, resurrection men. Mr. BLS N said. that some measures were absolute!, nt.e.,c.nly to check pnweenings now pursued to iii-turb me dealt. tar the purpow of dissection. He wio‘ acquainted- with all ti; details of the system ; the accounts were handed to hint in this Police Committee. auti hi:abstained from pcomulga:ing because they would have cleated acmes and Oblarat throughtnit the country. Tucy conear.ced hint. however.- that wins: pro ceedings on the sunset were eallut tor.—(Hear.) 'l'hepttition wet eventually received and oruc:cd to lie on th e table. l'ile LIBELJIII.L. SMITH rrefentetl a Petition Irani 320 r the .11auksel ler% ot London, coinplainity of the lihei Pal. Poulo , :otlY, of that portion witch meta w sobieet second conviction% I.ir libe l to transportation to New Sou.li Wales. He tipple:oAl the !MIMI attention of the House, especially the Ministers, to this petition. As libel was an olltut.. ut twit a dutibtlul nature, anti us there VS 4--- • %. " WINE ntrilKs. Sir C, MONCK W:AS uudentoud to Malt whethor the Cham,el. her of the Lchequer had determined on the nature of an eq.ta ligation of certain wine duties. which, it was afprei.endeu by some, had been heretotbre contemplated t--his question adverted, w the duties on Portuguese wines The CHANCELLOR of the rXCHEQUER deeir , tl gi% mg any dcci , ive answer. The merchants, however, Hero n,,t to be under any consternation en the stilinxt, as it was a sith,ect that could not be hastily determined on or disputed of, as 11 would be communal in some res Feet by the arwmgernents auu caber countries. TRANSPF.II OF ILFECTIEVE .FILINCIIISE. 'Lord John RUSSELL, pursuant to notice, rose to move for leave to bring in a Bill to disfranchise Grampound, and to enable Leeds to scald two Burgesses in lieu thervot.—(Hear.)s Lord CASTLEREAGH, as he had bettor stated, had ne objection to the bringing in of the Bill tor the Disfranchisement •i.i Grampound. s...cond rea4ing of the WI ought to be .postponed to a distant day. Lord J. RUSSELL, atter bringing in the Bill, purposed to rostpune the gerund reading till atter the holidays. Motion agreed to. MANCHESTER PETITIONS. Mr. BROUGH AM fomented a petition from Thornily@ Bee fold of Middleton. The fo iltiotter stated !bat he alien, ed the meetine. Aug. IS, a n d that it ioile there an unexpected tottuck Nab mode on the aiii.enitOtige by the ,f only. Our of them, o u r Oliver !Ale% .oiler (Rivet) et.itie it tul 111 the petit •r, tool trout o loch lie Nitc uotodu to me.ope and list,. taerelki rem tied C *l'Vl•fl, NIIII.IIICI tv the shoulder. The petitioner had sought rediem. hut Ise —4 hit h. rot been utiohle to otoom it f alto tie tbetefore bei,atc,t.t the int, I ferenet. of the Muir. ....... • Mr LAM s rON presented a ciutiktr petition (min Thomas Lock biu t. Fir it. WILSON presented a almilnr4betinun num Tt imai lino wird, sintiut that he had also bl rn rut in and wuurd, d by o ar of the remminet g that Ar had in vain iiiiislissed linibriisance. but lout 114, bad met 1111....; fttlival tior obtained any s Sh F.UIJIII)ET 3' presented" pei.tion frmn Rebut L. (Fu cotalnuAtiou ut loge •16.) .. • '• . "T irb •=4.1 - . 4