The Statesman. — London, England, 1820-09-09 00:00:00

THE QUEEN. • . 7141111N-OFFIC.I. TM'S DA V, Tyre 'Tues. ilot:SE OF LORDS. ibkruab•t^, (rw'klsTT-►IRuT DATJ Prayers were read as meal, kid the Pears were then railed over. The defanlters were• Lord Forbes, the Earl of Plevaington, and the Duke of Xewcastle. Counsel were then calltil in. The Lows CII.INCELI,og addressed Mr. Brougham, and desired hint to inform the Hone whetherle n as prepared to enter upon the Queen's defence. Mr. Itancuu tst said, that he hist night consulted with her Mojesty, and with his Learned Friends, who were j titled with him in that illustrious Lady's defence. That Hs Learned Friend, Mr. Williams had last night set • 'T for York, upon professional business. under the ape• vial commission of that city : he (Mr. 8.) was desirtutt •o hAvo his Able attistauce : and as he was not at present ; re:t.tretl to open the defence, he should ask their Lord- . ;.4 for time until about Monday fortnight to do so. 4 '..wigel were then ordered to withdraw. The Earl of It v coot, now rose and stated, that he yesterday ha•l expressed his opinion that the House twyht not to sutler the defence to be divided. and he r , •w assured their Lordships that reflection hail fully con l'rned that opinion.—(llear, hear.)—But that opinion beinT expressed lie wad 31 decidelly of opinion that ere possible facility should be atfor led her Nlajesty's I'rs•tsel in the defence of their Illustrious Client. Ile in no objection to the time which they had asked.— (l fear. hear.) v.,. Earl of I)tityr.r.v f , sily agreed uitli the Noble Car! that • fat i lit v should be afforded tome Queen's Counsel, bdt lie thought they had not been sufficiently explicit in their request. The expression used by 11r. lirungliani, was .• until about Monday fortnight." Now !Loggia it but proper that the Counsel should be a5k....; whether on Monday fortnight they would he pre pared to proceed uitli the defence. Va:l ifitcy I. that it certainly was !licitly desirable t a! the day for opening the defence should be deli tixed. It was quite clear that very few of their Lordships would he able to snail thenssels es of the pro posed short inter% al ; and he, therefore, if the Queen's Coansel had any dont): upon the subject, he, for one. would rather the delay should be prolonged in the first nstane... Tim Earl of I.lrxstraor., in explanation, observed, that concurred with the two Noble Earls that the si.vuld be pre..isely fixed, h•tt he yet would wish tl.tt s•:I•leet to hr Irft entirely with her Majesty's Conn sr! —(hear, hear was sure that none of their Lordships would suffer any consideration, as to their personal contesienee to interfere with their considera tioa of the thee to he allot, ed. Indeed, if any person was peculiarly entitled to the conslnkoitaion of that House, on the subject of convenience, he was pmsnatletl that the flume would, with one voice agree that that person was the noble, learned, and respected Lord on the Woolsack.—(f iseers.)—Engaged in t h e performance •t ! is judicial diodes nea►ly the whole of the year, their Lordships were sensible that Inr had hail of late to hear a vorsiderahle addition to his former labours; and when his time of life was considered, he (I.nrJ Liverpool) could not doubt that lie would, on the score of convenience, have sor.u• regard to that of the noble and learned LorJ. Ile Lou u occELLOR rose and emprecaedi the plea - IgNri• he felt at the butiwir.thle iiientiout whirh had been 1ti4.11. of 111111 loy the No!oh• and at the reception the Mouse 11.1.1 he. n pleasell to pier to that honourable rt •tition.—(4 liver..)—Errry one auf their 11.0r.Ishir st b n usilit. of the painful and arhions ditty which was c.ist by their pro..er.lings, but he could assure theirs Lordships that no cunsiilerstion whatever. of either convenience or inerra‘e of labour %humid induce Won to shrink front Ilse performance of that duty. anal perform it lie would, while he was ble4sedVitli strength to ridable hint !O do it. A uormemition now took place between the Earl of itose'herry. the 11. orris 48f Lansdowne and the Earl of latnierdale, on the terms in which it would he proper to gitrstion the Counsel as to the fiAing with certainty the time they wished. li "f he Earl of %mummy:sted:hat the rio onse• should he asked what they nt by the e.pression " until aloont 31418881.4 y fortnight . . adopted. and Connie' were ordered to he called in. 'fhe Loan %set:IA.OR then addressed Mr. Ilrou7hant, and .stated that the Holsr wished him to explain what be nirant by the expres.ion " until about Monday fort. night." M. Bnocuti to stated that he bad consulted his Learn ed Friends on the subject, particularly his Learned and n•>pectahle Friend Mr. Vizard, her Majesty's So licitor, who teas possessed of more information than lie w is, respecting the attendance of the witnesses ; and the result of that communication was, that although they n •'re strongly impressed a itlt the hope of being ready by Monday fortnight, they yet would, with the permission vt the House, say " Monday three weeks." After a feu , wor d s f Lord East:sac and the Earl of /task:sour, The Earl of Dant.axivrioN rose and expressed his sur prise at the request of her Alajesey's Counsel. They hail all along prafessed not only their readiness, but their , anxiety to enter upon their definer. Then they asked fur " about a fortnight," and on bring pressed to fix a precise day they desires! three - weeks. The tittle they now asked was highly isoonvenient, and he should resist the granting it. The Marl of LIVERPOOL observed, that he thought no Nob e Lard should antler the consideration of conve nience or inconvenience to interfere with his derision. The Noble Earl proceeded to justify Mr. 13rouglians's appt •atloa for an estessioa of the glair, and contended, that i I might to be complied with. His great an wail to meet the csonvitaience of her Majesty's 'That Camel had stated, that as her MX greatest anxiety was to proceed to her defer dg.i las early as possible, [ships init! again • ip with his Leatia..l , respectable I ientleutan who latest know more as.to that. , matter titan himself, her.Majesty'eSstlieithr, he amcaded his reqncst to a demand for three weekit. The only ! possible question that would arise in his mind was, wliether•it suited the convenience 61' the Counsel, and that being settled, lie did not see that his own conve nience could at all interfere it the matter—he saw no option for hiniself.,(Hear). Lord Liu nEnuste thought, that her Majesty's Coon . sel ought to be asked ;again what time would positively be must convenient for them—whether they did not want a lover period,. He suggested that this should be • done, in order that the House might be fully satisfied on this point ; and lu t e thought it the more necessary, as the Counsel haul altered their original demand from a fortnight to three weeks. laird F stmeitrn entirely concurred with the Noble Lord who had just spoken. He, himself, hail a deal of business of peculiar importance, so as to renAr his resi dence iu the country highly desirable at tie period which had been named for their Lordships' attendance : butt still lie was fully prepared to coincide with the Noble lomat who haul spoken from the Treasdry Bench, that titivate considerations ought to have no weight, lieu placed in comparison with the claims of her Ma jesty's convenience. To that lie would most cheerfully ii kr any sa 'alive of his own convenience. But what lr nartii til it'y oisheil to state to their Lordships was, that it uitight to be distinctly understood. that Counsel should he prepared to go on at the period agreed upon; fur it would he most vexations hoth to himself and others. if, at that tine. they slunl.l be asked for a longer delay.. • eapecial;y uitlauut good reason hying assigned floe granting it. Lord lit:Desna said a few words, which were in audible below the liar. I Lord ROLLE rose to address the House, but hem the confusion which prevailed in it, it was quite impossible I to catch a single word of a hat his Lordship said for se veral minutes. IVe understood hint to coincide aids the oloservations of the Noble Lord who preceded bins. laird rti.mot•ro.—After having propased a fortnight and then altered it to three weeks, he thought their Lordships ought not to separate oithout a specific under standing on this Th e poke of Ayouit. said. that hr ft:florid there mild be no difference of opinion or feeling! on this subject. It appeared to him that whether a Noble Lord lived la London or in Aberdeen, all he could want to know was, the peremptory 'lay on which their Lordships would pro ceed tin this business.—(llear.)—Whether noble Peers lived near or at a dirtance. there could he no doubt they were all anxious to make nee of the Intermediate time after sitting there for so long a period, and paying such uncommon attention to the proceedings of the Ilo'tse. Before they left the House, however, he thought, if there existed any doubt on the subject. they ought peremp torily to understand the Jay un which their attendance would be put in requisition. Lord IIsILiNGTux declared that in mal.ing the ohrier vati !!!! s a hi, h he haul before tronbleul their Lordships midi, 6e hail done so, solc:y with a %hc to the conve nience of the !louse. Ile thought so still, and was happy to find that the Noble Ihike (Athol) agreed with him, that they ought to I.now the precise t h is , fixed on by Counaci, and to have an assurance that they would on that day lie ready to go on. lord nom. iN o said a few words, hot from the' confu sion which continued to prevail in the House, and from the low tone of voice in whirls the Noble Lord spoke we were only able to ascertain that his observation related to a change in the hours of their attendance. The Loup Coax. Etaain then asked Mr. Brongliam if it was to be understood that he would be ready to pro- teed on 'Tuesday the 341 of ktober:? dir. Buocini s3l replied, that without doubt lie should be prepared on that slay which lie hall fixed npon as the latest moment that would be required. To himself and the %%Joule of the Learned (lentlone,' at their Lordships Bar that slay would he most inconvenient, as it was the first day of the o'4lllh:di sitting., hit that it was nut in their power to help. The LORD NEELLOR theft !kt a te..l. that it WORM be necessary before the Counsel left the Bar• to state whe ther they hail any objection to allow Lord Frederick Montague to be examined abroad in some such manner that her Majesty might have the benefit of his evi dence. Ile understood, as he had before informed their Lordships, that that Nobleman as well as another of her Majesty's witnesses, were detained on the Continent by %nth . indisposition, as to render it impossible for them to come to this country. Lord LI ERPOOL observed, that it was a delicate question for consideration, how far what was on some occasions of great necessity in civil cases, coukl he ex tended to a proceeding of so derided a penal character as that in %shirts they were engaged. Ile ingested that Counsel should he asked, and if they objecterl, there was an end to the matter. Ile did not wish to give any decided opinion himself; he merely n Ward to hear the opinion of others. The LORD FHA NrE Limn said, it was his slaty to men• tiun the application ; hut there could he no doubt that the consent of both sides must be given before any steps could lw taken wills respect to it. It was fur their Lord. ships to decide st het her it could he entertained. Before he sat doss is, he begged to ask their Lordships whether they had any observation to snake with respect to the hour of meeting T—(A general cry of "ten o'clock. - ) Lord LIVERPOOL was sorry to make any alteration in the hours, but on consideration he thought it would be very desirable that they should rise every day at 4 o'clock. Lord E.t.a,Nr. concorml with the Noble Earl. and moved that the Howie sl Id ri'e every day after its urxt meeting, at .1 o'clock. The Logo l'uiNr►:i.t.on then pot th► iiiie.tion,mwt it was agreed to 111.'1,i. rfeN. Out the base should meet at I tea, and adjourn at C..iar daily, when it next met to go on with the proceedings. Tho Doke of Mewl-Noss read a letter from Lord To. string: alai siiete ft4ispositibn pre; from corning 'to Eogland: lie trusted their would devise'some loran fit Obtaising the residence of the Xbble Lord. Lord Livraroot. said that any application which was now made should cemefroni the witness himself to the lionse. Whether the witness were of importance or of no importance, be advised their Lordships not to listen to the application. The Loin CHANCELLOR acquainted the ATTORNEY (JEN ER 11. that two witnesses on the part of her Majesty, Lords Frederick Montague and Mrs. Wiu. Curtis Bare rell had stated to the House, that it was impossible for them to attend personally at the Bar of the house ; and concluded by calling upon him to say, whether he con , twitted to these two witnesses being examined by a com mission abroad. The ATTORVET-ORNERAL replied that as he bad been desired by their Lordships to produce the evidence at their liar, be conceived it did not rest nith him . to say whether that order should be departed from. The Lout) Cr' ‘scv.i.t.ott said it appeared to hint that that was all the answer the Attorney-littler:4 could gi re. Lord liot.t.tND hoped their Lordships would not come to a lusty conclusion on this important subject. The LORD CHINCELLOR remarked that in civil cases the examination of witnesses by commission was by DO means unusual in the Courts below; hut the consent et both parties was necessary to this proceeding. Ile knew of no case in civil proceedinp, where such a commission could be asked by one of the parties to assert as a matter of right. except indeed in snits arising out of transac tiont in India. In those cases the legislature had provided by a distinct Act, for the establishment of Commissions to examine witnesses resident in India. This alone proved that it could not be a matter of right without mutual consent. All these cases, their Lordships would observe, were cases of civil proceeding, and he confessed he knew no case of an examination by commission in a criminal proceeding. Ile however was free to confess that i; uj, many years since he had practised in that brati.ll oldie professiotiond it might probably be tor them to consider the propriety of consulting those Learned persons wilt) trom their habits and experience, tbe conversant on the subject. After a few words front Lord Redesslale, the question was disposed of, with the understanding that the Hogue would not permit any examination of witnesses by com mission. The LORD CD tNeELLOR then pnt the question, that the Ilouw sliould adjourn until Thurday, the id of Oc tober. rt ten o', lack. The question was carried in the and the House accordingly adjourned. Fall% OF STOCKS Till: Sant SterA pee (..t. Rad. Spar Ct. Cosa. Sin? Se per Cont. 771 4 per Cents. apr Ct. Navy iasu /au Ann. la p. 3 per Cast. Anil. DAY AT ONI-: O'CLOCK. India Stock Dittoßundsilis. ltd. I9s. OM Annuities Es. Bills itd. Is. Si. 2s. pm. Ditto Cow. Osmium dis. Con. for A.-count OS{ Lott. Ticket 4 21/. !Mill WATER AT ID.:DoN intimE To-monao* Morslnc 331 min. after 3.---E%euing. 44 min. atter 3. Vic i'.-tatcifinatt. " TER REMISE STILTRSE %N .. II INCIESPORATED WITS " TER ITATRt4II4II." LONDON: ‘‘Tenn.tv Eremersa. sarTeMlielt 9, I t 02.0. We this morning received Paris papers of iVednes dry last. At one o'clock that day, his 31.t.sys t T had received the .Insbassadors and Ministers from foreign powers, and transacted business with the Duke de Milieus:l . . In pursuance of the Royal firdonnance of the 2 Ith ult. which dissolves the National Guard of Brest, the Baron de tct.tev, Prefect of Finistere, issued, the ;lath of the same month, an urn te, which orders the re turn to the mayor thy of the arms 'lithe aforesaid guard. The individuals a Ito do not conform themselves to this arc to be prosecuted conformably to the regn lations of the 2 Ith July. Its Ili. This arras has been aecompanied by a ursielatuation, which, after adverting to the %reties exeited b. those rash and factions men who had violated the duties of respect towards the A'agistrates, expostulates a itls the inhabitants of Brest on this seditious conduct, but terminates with the assurance that the Government of his Majesty is disposed to forget the past, and to welcome, with the inexhaustible benevolence v that characterises it, all those who tvould rally in defence of the Throne, and of the 1,1 , 04110m0, which guarantee their liberty and repose. At the end of the proclamation is a note, austoanciog that the contents had been agreed npou and approved by the Lieutenant-tieneral Commandant of the Thirteenth Military Invision, temporarily charged with the superior command at lirest, the Count de Col: r trio. Pruett Bordeaux, we learn that on the Stith ult. a Spanish Courier passed through that city front London. It is presmnetl that one of the motives aids journey is to Kire to the Cabinet of Madrid those explanatious relative to the discussion in the Mouse of Lards which passed between Lord HOLLAND and Lord 14- TERPOIII, on the relations of England with Spain. Front Augsburg's, is a statement, contrary to the Contents of many private letters, announcing that an order has been given, prohibiting the entrance of the Duke de liat.t.o, the newly appointed Ambassador from Naples, into any of the .Austrian States. The French Funds have again experienced a sud den depression.—Five per Cents. 74f. jtse. Extract of a letter (roman American gentleman aow at St. Thomas's, dated July, lnto :—" Several An*: dean vessels lately artived Lere have been plundered I . l by iiliklkt Preset pirate in the neighlsourhoosl of Crab 'Arad. Out of three Amerielos from Marscarlo, ttiovere robbed and the third &raped by superior sailing. Depredatiens are now so frequent and Indio. crinsinate. that some measures should be taken for the protection of our commerce in these seu. " The English hare found the necessity of acti ng Decisively as regards them, and are determined tor,. tnre every vessel whose commission is at all doltish! . "The frigate Tribune, took some time since, the schooner Oriental Bravo, (late the Montpelier of Bai. tiwore,) and sent her to Barbadoes, where the hss been condemned." The public anxiety respecting the commencement of the Qvlnvelt defence, which had been strongly excited by the rapid strides in the proceedings of t►e Home of Lords on Thursday, was unexpectedly interrupted yes terday by the discussion which took place, and is now suspended by the determination of to-day on the part of her MAJESTY'S Counsel. Mr. Mon -oust had yes. terday requested of the House that he might be per. witted to proceed immediately in the statement of his case, with an option. that he might useat his discretion, of calling his witnesses immediately after his state ment, or after the delay which the House had int imated their disposition to grant him. This mi tt en gave occasion to a debate which occupied the greatest part of the day, and which, with another to which it pee rise, prevented any further tiogress in the rase. A proposition founded un Mr. Boot:slimes request, was negatived by a majority of 163 to MI; and on thi s decision being communicated, the Counsel for the QCEEN then proposed that he should be permitted to comment on the evidence adduced in support of the Bill, without entering into any statement of the case for the defence. This request was strenuously sup- ported by Lord 1 7 ,.!sausr, who proposed a wotioa accordingly to the House, but it met with a similar fate to the other, and was negativeeby a majority of 179 to 47. On the ultimate derision of the Lords. Mr. BPI/V.:HAM requested to be allowed till ten o'clock this morning to make his election, whether he wouW proceed i ttttt iediately to state the case, and 6%111 eti• thence for the defence, or apply for a reasonable deity. At the appointed hour to-day, he accordingly appeared at the Bar. and waived the opportunity of enteric; immediately into the defence, and requested an allow• ante of abort, a fortnight to collect his evidence, awl proceed upon the case. Some observations were uncle upon the indefinite expression used respecting the time required ; and after consuiting with lianas. JEATT . II Solicitor, the space of three weeks was ?ho rse/I, and the House, acceding. to the request, re• solved to adjourn the further proceedings in the case till Tuesday, the of October. Thus has an unexpected pause occurred in t!ose proceedings which have furs length of time completely occupied the public mind, to the exclusion of almost even• other subject of public consideration. The pause that has taken place, is plainly not the result of the QCENN'S Counsel's choice, for nothing eta le were unfavourable to ber 3Lp:wry's cause, upon the minds who have been prejudiced by the r rpcie evidence and statements that have Oren adduced against her. This, however, is one of the unfortunate results of the refusal of a list of witnesses. In the whole course of the proceedings, the generosity fur which the administration of English justice was formerly dis tinguished, has been strangely exercised. Hy t►e refusal of a list of witnesses, a vast advantage w•::s afforded by the Counsel in support of the Bill, and as soon as the charges are made out as much as possible, from that moment the greatest jealousy is manifested towards the Counsel for the WIEN, lest they should informally efface any part of the impres si that had been prodneed against her. Another portion of that spirit ss ill finial in one of the in cidental subjects that occurred to-day. In consequence of two of the witnesses who might he required in her 3Lu► set's behalf, who are confined *Load by inJis• position, it had been suggested that a commis-io■ should be sent, as is tow] in tome cases of a similar kind, to obtain their depositions in the places where they are now confined. For this purpose, a mums was made this mons* in the Ilium of Lords but, Oli the opposition of the Counsel in behalf of time BM it was negatived! The utmost exertions are now making to pul fhe Pavilion in an habitable state. Is is certainly his Ns. jesty's intention to visit this town ; hut the precise time of his coining is uncertain. We are inclined• however, to think that his 311ajesty will not Ivan the cottage at Windsor n Ail the conclusion of the pro• reeding, pending against the Queen.--(Brightel mid.) Mr. Kean, on his way to Liverpool, at which port be intends to embark for America, stops at Birmingham' , where he is engaged to perform a few of his principal characters before histleparture. The health of .Sir M. Loney has been much impairld by his confinement. Previons to his leaving tk prison, it is said he gave tea pounds to be distributed amongst the prisoners, and to the servants of die gaoler a liberal remembrance. POPVLATIOS, &c. or PANIA.—The report of the Fresco Academia of %cis-aces, on its trausartions shying file year 1'49, contains the following statenwm:• • Ilte pa; isolation of Paris amounts to 711,1111 U; the minaret 01 esesis-siontiriliatesl, or casual inhabitants, is 34,1100: the moan number of annual births, 21,04.1 U; the propow` of boys to girls in the births, as 15 to If ; the aewior of h0 3 ° 4101414 , 2 4 .5.01 1 0 70,1:00 oven are annually cese almeel in that capital ; !Olin rows ; 7ssjunt KM sheep ; N,llllll hogs; 74 millions of '0" 9151,U1 pigeons ; I,3tIktIOU chickens. )1. i '. l o t i I) . ' 1 11 1 I i • • 4 s 0 1 1 s 1 i I , . 4 i . ... t• i f t i . I . I f , . 1 0 , i !y 1 r , ) , 1 , ! • liets wai to ':I. egc gi THE STATESMAN. I.*...,4l 4 lo.:Ktept.ihaieltiit tank iviswit, mow. ; a, tortnight. but conuonlirating rented hint frc tleagnr, and particularly ir4tlithiat Lord.hips %rot k