The National Register. — London, England, 1819-02-14 00:00:00

50 a.... ‘ IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. HOUSE OF LORDS. MONII.W, Fen. a. Au business of importatit.e %vas transacted this day. CS) 11' PIACEI IN REVERSION I,Arl GROSVENOR said, that he did unt itvend to propose any le;;Niative enactment on tbe subject of place. held is rever sion ; nor even as he htd done on a former occasion, to suspend that power fur a limited time. His sole object was, en obtain a return of such places as had been granted in rever sion since the Ist ofJnain try, 1818. lie !hoped and trusted that a blank return would be made, otter what hail already. taken place in that House. and elseware, on the subject of places in reversion. Pahlieity was his object ; as nothing tended so much to suppress abuses, as the publicity arising from the discossions in two branches attic Le;islattire. From a regard to public opinion, no place had been granted in re• version for sumeyears back, with only a single exception (alluding to the Ditches, of Gloncesterl ; and that grant could oniy be objected to, on the ground of the principal. No doubt could exist but that many Offices would have been abmished, 1.5,t1 it not been for grants of than in reversion ; and these Offices, of inconsiderable eitinlnment, had, in con sequence of a state of war, and other easnalties, risen to an amnia that could not have bees contemplated at the time of ike.grant. The Noble Earl opposite (Liverpool) had in some tneasore given a pledgeaotile.Hottiseos to the abolition of the othee of Lord Jostler Oeneral iu Scotland, Clock of the Pleas in Ireland, and some others, the duties of which were dis charged by Deputy; and he trusted that pledge world lie ro sleetned. The Noble Lord eoneluded by moving en humble Address to the Prince Regent, for a return of all the Offices in Reversion, granted by the Crown, since the Ist olJanuary, 1818. Ordered. •WEDNEiDAY. The Westminster Hnstings Sill was rend a third time and passed ; anti ordered to be sent hack to the Commons, with an amendment introduced into it by theirl.4ld,bips.—Ad journed. THURSDAY. VEGOCIATIONS At AIX-Li-CHAPELLE. The Earl of LtvEßPoor. laid on the table various Poen. anents relative to the Negnetations at /Ueda-Chapelle. Lord HOLLAND asked, if, among the Papers laid on the .fable, there was a copy of treaty of Holy Alliance among the dire Grcat Powers. Grcat Britoil), Austria, France, Pravda, ,and Itnisia. The hive Great Piiweis declared, on :bat Treaty, that they would never depart from the principles of intimate u neon, rendered still stronger by the principals of Christian frattraity. He wished to know distinctly if Great Britain Was a party to that Holy Alliance. The Earl of LIVERPOOL stated, that in aTew days the whole of the Papers would be laid on the table of the Honse. inreat Britain was No direct party to the Holy Alliance, •thintelt the British Government approved of the principles of it. That Alliance had hems signed at Paris by lliciuur So. -seerclAns themselves, without the intervention of ally %II bor. alinate avid ; and, be the principles of the British Coteditn. 'lion, witch required the intervention of responsible agents, else Prince Regent conk' nut be a party iu the saute uianuer %with throttler Sovereigns. Lord HOLLAND enquired if the Noble Lord intended to icy a copy of the Holy Alliance before the House. Lord LIVERPOOL answered in the nega tire. Lord 130.1. L an only wished to know what were the bonds .cof Christian traternity among the allied Powers. A djcurned. FRIDAY. At half past three o'clock, the Commons being in lately. Alsace at the Bar, the R.iyal Assent was given, by Counniosion to the care of the Royal Person Bill, and the Westmitioter Hastings Bill.—The Comnsiooioners were, the Lord Chan cellor, the Earl of Shaftesbury and Viscount Melville.—Ad. jaunted. ROUSE OF COMMONS. MONDAY, FIB. 8. Mr. Chi.CRAFT rose to move the addition of Mr. Brougham rto the Bank Committee. The fitness of Mr. B. would not be disputed. He .had been asked if he had any precedent for such a motion; in answer to that be could lay he had , for, in inn, the Marquis of Graham was appointed to a Committee, after it had been filled np with 21 Members. I.4re CASTLERE4I7H aid not at all mean to dissent from the competence of the individual; but it was destructive of the principle on which tie Committee was chosen, which was by ballot. The HOP. Gentleman had not informed the House whether the Committee he had quoted was a secret one or not. He thought the best way was, to adhere to tile original mode of election—by ballot ; and not to add more to the number of the Committee. Mr. Ti ERS EY said, there was not a single man in the king dom, who, in matters of political economy, could throw so mach light, and was so likely to lead the Committee to prac tical results. Tido amounted to a deterinination that Mr. Erougham should not be of the Committee, because lie sat ou the issue side of the House with Alderman WAITH3I•N said, that whim a Committee was elected by ballot, and a Gentleman was pviyosed to be added, whose talents would be of essential service to the Ceminittee, toe l'ublic would not believe that this Committee was for en_ gully, but nue to repress till enquiry. tie thought the House would have done better even if there had been no psecedent for electing another Gentleman of talents, to have broken through the punctilio. He bad! no expection that time pub lic would be satistiel with this Committee, since they knew what sort of Committees those elected by ballot were. Mr. BARHAM said, these Committees were elected from lists given by Ministers, and servilely fbliowed by Members. It was known to the country to be a juggle ; and in all his experience, he never knew the Opposition lists of any use. Mr. MARTIN could conceive a Lawyer learned and acute, yet still net such as to be appointed to a judicial situation. e3u1.1 conceive an eminent Divine, yet not such a man as the Crown would be advised to make a Bishop. Government would no: he able to induce him to rote tOr.the appointment of Mr. Brougham. Mr. Matticiarr agreed that the praises bestowed on Mr. Erougharn were just; but this was a matter as much of a practical as of a theoretical nature ; and as he thought there were ton many theorists on the Committee already, he should wag against the addition of Mr, 1310;10am. TIM NATIONAL REGISTER Tae House divided-For the motion 133 —Aeaniiit it 173 Majority .11. C.asereneeort rose to move for a Committee similar to that of last year, on the snhjeet of Pittance. 11e thonelit he owed it to the House to explain the general view of .ex velem which .Government meant to lay before tite House ieg the present 'Session; but these world lie in a eiey narrow compass. Pi, del not think it by any means a matter of course that a Coro iii!tee cif Finance should be appointed in every Session. Bet he iteil thorn:tit tile teat Committee necessary, in order to 'Mew to the country that there would he a surplus mend*: applicable to the liquidation of the debt. Upon this ground be had moved for the last, and %mild move fur another Committee; and he hoped it would be able to lay bethre the house a report au the January quarter, which would enable the Homier to form a lodgment as to the im provement of. the revenue. The income of the year ending January 1818, was 51;431,0031. and that ending January 1819, wee 31,062,0031. Ia the account of the u 1 millininfor ISIS, there were to he taken 2,313,0391. arrears of Property• talc, and other War-taxes; and only 561,0001. of those arrears were to be found in the 54,002,0001. for 1819. 'Takla; the whole into consideration there was aii improvement all the gross reempts of the perm inant taxes foe thedao year, over that ohich•preceded it, of 4,616,0001.4 and it, as in fairness the veers* of the smear dones should he laid to the acroutit of ISltte there wonld be a derides on the permanent taxes of 5,3e8,00e!., being 10 per rent. advance on them mute then in any preceding year. This Mei case rya. Upon the whole of our taxes, except tan, so !edited that they both name:tied only to 1.1,0001. Even on the article of bricks sod Ades there I. an inercese of one half; mod like increase on all the articles which were likely le Phew inereauel property and re mitter.s of the country. The Finance Committee had us. slimed, that the account would stand at the cud of last year 1,132,0001. better Ilan the close of the preceding. He hal already slated that the income of the last year was 51, 062,0001. which made it 1,500,0001. better than the Finauce Committee anticipated; and there was a prospect that the total surplus would stand at 3,3558,0001. applicable to the reduction of the public debt. There was therefoi e no intention of proposing any addition to the taxes, as lime, as mach a 1111111 was applicable to the service of the year. As far as the present year had gone it was not likely to fail, but on the contrary to be even more productive than last year. For, in the last month, these was an in• crease of 350,0001. over the ,corresponding month in the preceditig yeas, which had, betide an addition from elie re venue of the year 1817, of 600,0001. Since the surplus stun applicable to the service of the current year, was 3,558,0001. we hail succeeded in bringing the expenditure within the ioeuiiie (tithe country. He hoped the Committee of Finance would be enabled to melte a report on the quarter ending merit April, before Parliament should separate, by which he trusted it would be still more clearly sliewo, that the whole object of the Committee lied been brought to bear, namely, to bring the expenditure within the yearly revenue of the kingdom. If the country remained quiet, which there was every reason to believe it would, there was in it that degree of vigour mid energy that we might hope to see in every year a progressive state of improvement. The House would now naturally expect I • to touch upon the principal ;mhos of the Estimates which Ministers had made the subject of re. faction. He could assume the Right Hun. Geutlensan op posite (Mr. Tierney) that notwithstanding all that had been folic, he (Lord C.) was disposed must sincerely and rigorously to profit by all his good &deices in the way of economy. Many cirettinstalices at home and abroad had occurred to in spire confiJence in the general tranquillity, and which had enabled Ministers to adopt measure, of wholesome and pro dent retrenchment. The Finance Committee had assumes, that oil the redaction of the Arms 8,067,0091. would be re quired fur the Army, besides a sour of 300,0001. for half•pay and pensions. He was happy to inform the House, that the estimate of Ministers was 8,700,0001. for the Army, making a difference of 567,000 L The reduction in the Navy and Orihnance Departinests would be 103,0001. for each : total of diminution 7674001. Bet to get at these reductions, a auto of 300,0001. would be required, instead of the coin of 700,0001. voted last year the the like purpose. This was an expense always iucident to a reduction ; but not to be expected after ward.. The total of Abe troops reduced from France was 20,126 ; at home and in the colonies, 9,443 ; artillery, 2,035 ; grand total reduced, Including Officers, 35,130. lie had Cleave the great prospect of our increasing prosperity, and too tench pelaise could not be bestowed Cie the firmness, encore', assil industry of the people of the country.—The NoteldiLerd then proceeded to read extracts from the official return., Muting the official value of British commerce for the last Ibisr years, and be was happy to say, that the last year bed 'acceded any preceilteg one, even the extraordinary year 1813. In making this statement, lie could only take the first three quarters of the year ending in October, a' the lait quarter of the last year was not yet made out. In 1815, our emporia amotioted to 35.231,0001. greater by nine or ten mil lions than had been known in the :metier year. In 1816, the amount was 28,837,0001. 101817, it was 32 millions, and in 1818, 35,J35,0001. at least 01),(1001. inure than any fernier year. This statement would, he trusted, operate to expel all gloomy passages. The Noble Lord said, having thus en. tered into leach a detail as he thought the subject called for, he would conclude by pruposieg the re-appointuient of the Finance Committee lit last year. Mr. Ttertme, had only expected from the Noble Lard's notice a motion for the re-appointment of the Fmance Com mitter. He was not aware tile Noble Lord intended to open a Budget, and therefore Its was not prepared, as he would telierwise have beets, to answer the Nettle Lord. He was however, prepared to say, that fernier Finance Committees lied greatly disappointed hie expectations, and lie had only to Fmk for equal disappointment front the Wows of the Com mittee now to ire appointed. lie expected that the Pumice Committee would have eorpiiied Mtn elle expruditure, and have recomiuendoil the brads of retrenchinent where re trenchment WAS practicable. Instead of doing this,however, all which the Reports of this Committee had given to the House en farmer Occasion., and all which it was probable we should have from it in thin ',resew Session, would be a recapituletion of the Noble Lurd'a Budget. With respect to the flattering picture which the Noble Lord bad now drawn of our commercial situation, he could only say, that the Noble Lord's theoretical opinion differed entirely from the practical experience of the merchant. From the Noble Lord's state ment it appeared, that there would be a surplus of laconic, at the dispusal of the Chancellor of the Exchequer, or about 2,400,0001. and the Noble Lord said, 110 W we most be going an well, sluice not only had we raised our income to our ex• penditure, but we had 2,400,0001. to spare; bet the Noble Lord, whilst talking of this surplus, forgot that there was a debt of ape/aids of 3,000,0001. due to the Consolidated as well as other arrears oh upwards of 1,000,0001. so that the PUMA we could expect .to do, unless oar revenue Increased FEB. 14 Limit g the presen! year, would be Its cry quits with the Con solidated Fond hi Jantiary 19-40. Aa I.ll' as he could* see. the only stein really upplieable to the service of the present year, was 7.000,9901. miles* indeed we arm to have tile ,000,0901 . from Frasier. %hot on Ali liter °erosions we were told we were to have m• the withdrawing of the troops. The Right lion. Gerd. made nu mention of it, he therefore feared ail hopes of -bat inns was gone for ever. 'fife Noble Lord had been pleased to say. that lie had profited by his (Mr. T.'s) advice. Ile was extremely haNiy, indeed, to hear that any advice of his had been of service to the Noble Let:l; bat lie could not flatter himself that lot advice would have been at all attended to by the N.ilile Lord had not that advice been backed by a General Election.—He tcculleesnl when ha last year tooposed to reduce the Army 6000, the Nelda Lord cried out in alarm, What? reduce the Alloy 3008 men in thieve dangerous times ! ! and it was oat done ; but here azain the General E:eetion slept in to aid his (Mr. T.'s) advice; and although no chconastance had happened to abate the Noble Lord's alarm, yet the Noble Lord came down, and of his own accord proposed a redaction of nine thousand men. IV its I cspeet to the Noble Lord's Aunri•hing pictine, he would again I ;peat the colour. iuy was fnl.e ; tar with a disposable revenue of 7,0001. we Ahoulit, Ln hnhoy the Sinking Food, Bove an expenditure of thus there• w cold be a ileticieney ot• 3,000,0J11. which no thin hi the Chaileellor of the Exlilpipar would raise by an issue of Exchequer Bilis. The Right Honourable could not deny this was his intention, or Oho, Le stoold this nig;it imposts a tote for 2.1,900,0001. finer Rills. and there was at this moment, he believed, 14,0611,001. of Exchequer Bids limiting in the mu. ki t. Vet at this time there wits a Crimmins e above Alai's, to settle oar paper circulation, Such a Committee under studs deduce. stances was a mockery on the Public, as wits the whole Finance System of the Right. Hon. Gent. When he said the Right Hon. Gent.'s system, be did not mean Ilia Right Hon. Gentletnan individually, but Ministers collectively ; tot the Right Hon. Gentleman was no more than the lonia - id orgaa of the Prince Regent's as regarded Finaace, besotted Ad ministration. Mr. Tierney proceeded to comment at large on the mistaken system under which the Goveroment were acting, which, he said, so far as regarded making our intume meet our expenditure, was ate illusion ;• and would be so till his Majesty's Government would meet the evil boldly in the fare. _ _ _ Lnfd C 45/7,EREAGII anII Mr. TIERNEY explained. Mr. VANSITTART defended the statement of his Noble Friend, and justified the conduct of the former nuance Committees, to whose suggestions and advice, he said, the Government and the country were greatly indebted. Much stiU remained for them to de; and, in particular, their 'siters would be most meetly devoted to the investigation of the present mode of collecting the public Revenue, and sue_ gesting regulations and retrenchment in that branch of our expenditure, in which they would find his Majesty's Ge 'enliven( ready to go band in hand with them. • The Right Hon. Gentleman then proceeded to take a review of the Consolidated Fund of Ireland, ou which, he said, daring the present year there would he a surplus of 600,0001. (In the whole, he contended, that as gi eat a reillietieu of public debt as possible 11...1 taken place since the termination of the war. At the termination of the war it was Olsen for Parliament to adopt one of two measures—either to continue a vigorous taxation, and a rapid diminution of debt; or to rednee taxa tion, and to suspend for a time the reduction of our debt.— Parliament, be would not now say whether wisely or not, had adopted the latter coarse ; bet whilst we releved the- Pohl;c from 16,000,0001. of taxation, we could not .espcct to bud a rapid reduction of debt at the same time. The Right lion. Gentleman supported the course which had been adopted ; lint he seemed now to have changed his opinion, and to he in favour of a vigorous system of taxation. If such was his opinion, let him boldly aud openly avow it; and in that rase he should not %emit his assistance to a plan, which he had always consideied as the most beneficial which could have been adopted. Right Honourable Gentleman had again urged hies to a statement ofihis iutentiesis for the.present year; at present he could only give the Right Hoe. Gent. the seine answer as on a former night, namely, that he could not at present, consistent with his sense of his duty, state what his plaits were. Nlr. Erlds contended, that the statement of the Noble Lord, as to our commerce, was delusive; there was nut a market in Europe, to which America lead access, In which British manufactures could ant be procured at a lower price than in England. The difficulties of the country, the Hon. Gent. contended, were great and were all brought on by a bad system of Pittance, which could nut, he said, continue. Yet, if the question was fairly met, and openly cauvassed, he had still so emelt cosdidence its the resources and spirit :if the country, as to remove all doubt from his mind, that they were fully equal to meet and ev,prcome all theme difficulties. Mr. elacnoNaus stiongly ri:cuutrueuiled a revision of the present 'node of collecting the public revenue, by which he was persuaded a saving of 2,000,0001. annually might be made. Sir J. St:BRIGHT COOl , l not agree that the Exeliccpier lints afloat in the market %%as at all an evil. lie was persuaded sum source was necessary fur the employment of casual capi tal. He was persuaded that all whicJt was nactiug was, that aliberal support should be given by the 1.611 l to our agii etillib.alists and our manufacturers. The :notion ler the aprointment of the Cemniiitee %eat agreed to, and the biluwing persons ante appumted .11(.16- i/era : I Lord Clive Mr. H. Dmies Mr. 1 Mr. Mr. I. Mr. Treimay::e 1 itir. I.ewi, Mr..l. Smith M. Caleraft i Mr. Cartwrifzllt Mr. N. Car,' Lori Castlereqgh Mr. Vansittars Mr. llankos Lord &ming Mr. liuskiuon Mr. i'eel Viscount Joellya Mr. Liuleton Mr. 1). Gilbert Sir G. Clark Sir G. Hill Mr. U. Wilbraham Gm..l IA:. I Nitta ;'r. Colin,: COMAIIME OF SUPPLY. Tim House then resolvel .144:1t into a Committoe of Supply ; and, on toe 'notion uf Mr. VA/out - rata, a Htseltllloii for rakvin; 24,000,0001. by Exchequer Bills, turial ds the Supply uf the year, W 43 agreed t u.—The Report was ordered to lie received tn-raorrun..—Adjuuroed.... 'TUESDAY. THE CRIMINAL CODE. Mr. Wit.ocayottctt said, that hi: Lail been intrusted with a Petition veluch he considered Nan honour to hula; and which, but for indisposition, he should hav• had bet Ore the House on on earlier (lay. It cause from a inpt iespeetablo nutty, the society of Friends, commonly c,illett Warr* and it called qua the noose to take illiell3 seliCll,l conetdetatiur