The National Register. — London, England, 1820-09-10 00:00:00

______ 31mptrial 43arliantent. DOUSE OF LORDS. moNnAv, SUPT. 4. The proceedings this day consisted only of the exami 1151i011 of one man who was discharged for robbing the l'rineess—of a journeyman plasterer, and a common boat man. The latter, among other things, swore that he saw Bergaini, kiss the Princess, in the presence of himself and ten other boatmen !! In short AU egregious was their evidence, that the Queen's Counsel seemed not to think sheen worth cross-examining. They all appear to have been supported by Government for nearly two yeais !! To *nye, seri'. 5. The only witelep Ps:amines' this day in the }Loose of Loads against the Queen was a person of the name 11' • Sacchi, but muscle of the evidence adduced is too gross and indecent for publication ; the rest is wholly unimportant. This fellow, who acted as mutant Courier, and who, in his cross-examination, admitted he had assailed himself of the use of half a dozen different names, swore to some such acts oil the port of the Queen and Bergami, as would prove to demonstration that she was not only the most abandoned of leer sex, but the most foolish woman breath ing. Onr readers may judge, front her eondetct since her return, how far such an epithet may he applicable to her. Some of our Subscribers complain that we have been over fastidious in our accounts of the evidence. In reply, we can only regret that our example has not been followed by every Newspaper in the kingdom. Lord KENYON gave notice, that lee should move to morrow fur an account' of all sums of money paid to the Wren since her arrival in this country. "'he House afterwards adjourned. weastEsna'r, SEPT. 6. At ten o'clock prayers were read, and the roll having been called over, Lord KENYON rose and said, that seeing a Nettle Earl (Liverpool) in his place, he now begged to make the two motions of which he had yesterday given notice. He would not detain the House with repeating the reasons on which he grounded these motions,but content himself with observing, that, considering the strong public feeling which existed ou the subject, lie thought the House would mot l doing their ditty if they did not afford to the public the fullest iulormation as to every thing regarding it. 'f he noble Lord concluded with making his motions:— I. For copies of all correspondence between his Ma esty's Government and her Majesty's Advisers, on the subject of pecuniary supplies, since the month of June last. Idly. For an account of all supplies of money made to l.er Majesty since her arrival in this country. Lord KING ob d, that the motions submitted to the House only applied to the expenses on one side of the pending inquiry ; but, is his opinion, the Howse ought to inquire into the expences of the whole transaction. It must have been very evident to those who had attended to the evidence given at their Lordships' Bar, that large aunts of money had been received by several witnesses— as much, indeed, lead been distinctly confessed—and it was important to know by what authority their payments had been made, and from what funds they had come. Lord LIVERPOOL had no objection to the motion of the noble Lord ; and, as to the observations made by ano ther noble Lord opposite, he would only say, that at the proper time there would not be the least difficulty in lay nig before Parliament an account of every item of expen diture connected with the present transaction, though at present suede an account could obviously not be rendered without the greatest inconvenience. Lord LAUDERDALE thought that any account of expences connected with the present proceeding ought to embrace the whole expences, as well on one side as on the other. He doubted whether lie ought to agree to so limited a motion as that before the House. Lord DARNLEY agreed with the noble Lord (Lau derdale) who had just spoken, as to the propriety of leaving an account of the whole expences. 'Elie LORD CHANCELLLOR suggested. that instead of the words " Her Majesty's Advisers," " Her Majesty's Counsel and Agents" should be substituted. Lord Kenyon agreed to this alteration. The first part of the motion, in this amended shape, was then put. The LORD CHANCELLOR said the Contents had it. Lord LAUDERDALE thought the Non contents hail it, and demanded a division. The Howse then divided, when the numbers were— Contenia, 133—Non contents, 711—Alujority for the Mo tion, 60. The second part of the motion was then put, and adopted without a division. The LORD CHANCELLOR now suggested, that the opinion of the Judge's should be asked as to two points : Virg, Whether an answer having been elicited on e cross-examination, relative to a confe.sitm made by a witness in a conversation with a third person, the whams, may he re-examined as to the conversation preceding that confession, and which led to it?—Secondly, AVlee titer a quiestAin may be asked in re-examination, as to the conversation subsequent to that confession. These points were submitted to the conaidee satiate of the Judges who nmediately retired to consult. While the Judges were absent Mr. Brougham com plained of a unarepreseadatiou of w hat he had said the day berme in one of the 31orning Papers. The LORD Cil \ NEELLOR said, that if the House allowed the publication of what passed within these walls, they had right to expect the reports should be made cur- At a quarter before one o'clock the Jnelges returned and delivered their opinions. They all agived, witli the exception of Mr. Best, that the vestion peopounded to the widneas could not be put by Counsel. E.Judge BEST, in a long statcineeet, gave his mesons for dAering twin his Learned Brethren. His opinioll was, th it the ends of justice nn the Courts of We:stoniest ee still requited a wiiiiegs who was examine.' to a eons er satins' tel state the whole or that conversation. The L 0111) CHANCELLOR torn put the question, whether it w as the plea-tire of the lint:se to agree to thu tie , bawl f the J:tag....e_llc c u „,,,„,, had it. caste then called to the Bar, and the Lord Ca Joe rlice ...aid-- - I si,t r , ! . ) • 1 .,,.-1,-d by lice 1-!:rue to inform you, that the ipet.•l s Lill I.e the namely, ' met ii make atte et t..:ltutt!' ' IS .1 tint:slit:in the House in 0: •ati..ot be poi." lat witness Ni:lone, alias Saccbi, was then broight to THE NATIONAL REGISTER. the Bar, and the Attorney General continued his re-exa raination. The witness has stated, that when he first came to this country, lie changed his name to Sacchini I wish to ask bins why he assumed that name ?-1 too kl that name in consequence of the rumours and disturbances that took place. He has said he took another name, lI ask hint why he assumed the other name? —lt was immediately after the affray which happened at Dover. You have said you signed a deposition; what time slit you sign it ?—I do not remember exactly the day,but it is about two months ago. In what manner was you sworn to that deposition?—lt was offered me by Mr. itichardu For what purpose? He told me lie (Mt .Powell) had received a letter from Lord Liverpool, nt wbielm it was said, it was absolutely necessary I should take the oath. Did lie say any thing more ahem the purpose for which the deposition was taken?—He said malting else. Examined by:Earl Giosvelior.—l le has said he has hem) en officer in the army. Did he ever receive any half-pay for that service ?-4 have sits pay. When lie was discharged Flom the revolutionary army, did lie offer his service to any other Government ?—At ter three years I asked to be taken into the service of the Government of the Swiss tratitons, which had stipulated to grant commissions to the officers of the French army. "What was the answer yon received ?---I asked for the same rank I held in the army of Italy, and it was au. r swered, after a little time, there was no vacancy. Did they offer you any inferior rank?—'They °Gm: me the rank of a sergeant. Is it customary **or persons in the situation yon held under the Princess of Wales, to withdraw the windows of a carriage without permission of persons of high rank its the carnage?—Every morning it was my duty to go to the carriage of her Royal Highness to see whether any orders were to be given. Sometimes I found the carriage open. Sometimes the curtains were down. Sometimes I opened the curtains. I was never admonished by her Royal High ness, or told that I had done wrong. The LORD CHANCELLOR stated, that application had been made to him, stating, that one of the witnesses fur the clime's (Load Frederick Montague) was abroad, and In such a state of health as nut to be able to come over to this country. It was requested that the House would decide whether or not that person could not be examined abroad by some authosity in the shape of a Commission. Now in behind there had been instances of such things, and if the pal ties upon both sides %timid agree Num the subject, their Lordships would probably have no objection.—(Hear, hear !). lie sl Id 1101 now expect an answer from the King's Altos my General, but toamos row morning he should rummunieate the appiica tion to him, and the Hume would expect that lie would be prepared with an answer. FLIGHT OF PART OF THE WITNESSES. After a long pause, the ATTORNEY GENERAL now rose, and said that lie had an important applica tion to make to their Lordships. There wet e cu taiu parties, who were to have been produced as witnesses in support of the Bill, who resided at Lugano and its neighbourhood. Three of them had set out for this coun try, while others were on the point of setting otit. These three persons having advanced as far as Beauvais, two stages on this side of l'aris, a rumour reached them that several persons who had preceded them, to he witnesses against the Queen, had been extremely ill-treated at Dover. The consequence was, that they went before the Magistrates at Beauvais, and made depositions, that, be ing appreliensise of their personal safety, they thought it not prudent to come to England. These depositions were forwarded to this country, and the parties themselves actually returned to Lugano Om Monday last, however, letters had been received from, Lausanne, which is in the neighbourhood of Lugano; from which there was reason to entertain a confident expectation that the wit nesses had changed their determination, and that they would in fact set out fur England the day after the titli of August. Under these circumstances, the LearnetlConnsel thought that he was not asking too much of their Lord ships, in applying for such a delay as, in their Lordships' judgment, would afford these witnesses an opportunity of appearing before their Lordships' bar. Mr. BROUGHAM pretested strongly against any de. lay. The application was wholly unjustified by any ana logy to the practice of the Courts below. The applica. Bolt was the more objectionable that the prosecutors in this case had had their own choice as to the time of pro ceediug with their case ; they had been men ths and years preparing it; and even after the Queen had, by message to the House, demanded to proceed instantly, they had taken three weeks more to complete their preparations before they would proceed. Was it, after all this, to be tolerated, that when the Attorney Genet al had gone through all the evidence he had at hand, and found, doubtless, that it had failed to establish the ea , e lie set out with the promise of proving, he should now a• 1 their Lordships to stop till he could patch tip his case these Logaiturter., said to he, and wily liellevyd to be on doer road touter! The lionise mast pout:veil nth a view to pi eeedwits alit eon.) 'welters, and they moist lie cautious least, in Slanting the delay soicited in the pre. I sent case, it might not he a plum:dent Mr future applieations, made with no whet* v;,:o• that' fur the pur pose of abusing it, and olefeatiolg the coils of jirdoce. Aft. DEN NUN before proceeitioa 4 too suppoi i los Learned Friend, herged to ask the Altortie-'.O . .ierol at what time the a ilite,ses look their flight fro o Beauvais? The AT lORN L Y-ItEN ERA E. - the 2711 i sif July. Mr. DENMAN proceeded, it Ill) eat ability snot elo quenCe, to C..lllelld against the applicatio'. Wind, said the Learned WlAltd Inc CIV :oath au apolieatioin tide on the part of lieu .`olo f j. Combo.' after ote.y !!fid entered upon' hcrdefemme, ao more chosen :11111 hied upon by thellistiv es for todance, w 'told be said, were they to come hefare your loord,lop's, and say that mine wit • Lesses were oil their wily to this country to lie ev:ienee for lite Queen, but hearin; that au Alien Bill had pessed they had felt afraid of its poner, auil would not tou,t no the dis• cretiv.it at those tioseted with its cur olio:, ? Would thi, tit admitted, us a pr.-1.-ift for out thy ow the defiaice Are We to rtmaio r hour to honor, anti from day to day, Without kiloosiiA how the case stands, or ward facts :111. sOil;, ht 10 Ile pliiVe.d ?-11 , h. a t 10) 1. Ift . ,tt i , E. c IVe to he ,eiii•vcil float tlo! peltiag of diltititr, or how arc we to mar vim them? — Calm ore t uotigla has already hero abed :14111110 U, We ICI% e (I'lll'l4llRO., 'lough already to complain or, a Masi this adildioual act of in s iugice. shall the wit:. tritaa at ciaed gill impala the victim of colutuo, nail leao• it uncontradicied fur a single day.—The Learned Counsel concluded with intreating their 4..ordships not to grant the The LORD CHANCELLOR said, their Lordships could not grant the application on any assumed facts; they must have the evidence before them. If Mr. Brougham could say that he was ready for his defence, the Solicitor General might be called on to sum up his case. and if the witnesses arrived during his summing on, they might be esamined. The Earl of LIVERPOOL agreed with his Lordship, that it would be well to know from the Counsel for the Queen whether they were prepared n WI the defence. or could in this stage of the business accept the delay which it was agreed should be allowed to them. If her Majesty's Counsel were prepared for that defence, the Solicitor-General must suns up and close the ease fur the prosecution. Lord E.R.' kINE denied that any circumstances, or any proofs t h,.t could be adduced, could justify t heir Lordshins in granting the delay that was sought for. The Counsel for the prosecution ought not to be allowed to make a new NW.. or to add slew witnesses to the ot iizinal case. They could only c all witnesses to rebut facts which ini;lt* arise in the cfoss-ex anination. When the Attar:my-General opened his case, lie should have been prepared with evidence in sup port of that case. His Lordship concluded with entreating to •ir Lord:a ips not to depart from those rules by which jos. tJ e had been so long administered in this country. Ile had elline here, tertWithstanding his advanced age, iu the hope that he might be of some service ; " hut of w hat use aims L" continued his Lordship, with great animation, " if it is only to witness the violation of Rights the most established, and Pi Mc titles the most sacred." If the application Wit ruffled, it would he the most fatal day that England ever saw. Lord 1.1 V ERPOOL then moved, that it now being past five tido( k, the Hoag. do adjourn. The Milt 0 Cli ANC ELLOR wished to ask the Attorney- General if he was ready wit h proof of the facts which he had alleged as the grounds of Its application, The A TTORNLy GEN ERA L said, t hat i he had the pro m, verbal dra tan up at Beauvais, awl attested by the au thorities there, that the witnesses were prevented from coining, on hearing of the outrages that had been committed on those who hail arrived at Dover. Some conversation ensued, and it was at last agreed, that the Counsel for the Queen should be asked if he was pre pared to renew his eross-examination Mr. BROUGtiI A M said," If the Attorney-General will declare to their LordAtips that his case is closed, 1 will only call back one witnems, and after asking him three or filar illicit ions, immediately enter on the defence of her Nlniests." The House then adjourned at twenty minutes past five o'clock. THURSDAY. SFPTEMBER 7. At ten o'clock prayers were read, and the roll having been called over, Counsel were called in. WiTtinnawisiu OF TISF. APPLICATION FOR DELAY. The Arfoll N EY-GEN E Al. rose and said, that bethought it right and proper to state to their Lordships that, within the last half-hour he had receives! despatches trom Nlilan; from which it appeared that a much longer time than he anticipated yesterday must necessarily elapse before the witnesses he then alluded to could be brought over. He felt it incumbent upon him to state this fact to their Lordships': and, under these circumstances to withdraw the application which lie had mrde ter delay. Mr. BROUGHAM presumed lie might now understand that the Attorney-General had closed his case. Assuming this to be the state of the case, he would now call back Theodore Majocci, and ask him one or two questions. Majocci was sent for, and soon made his re-appearance at the bar, and was cross-examined by Mr. Brougham. Do you know one Julius Omar Gavaszi ?—1 never heard this Julius Caesar Gavazzi. Ho you knuw a person of the name of Gavaxai?—l have heard this name of Gavazzi ; there is one of that name, a jeweller, at Milan. I never was in his shop, but I have seen him, and he is a fat man. _ _ _ . . . Mr. Brougham—The Gavazzi I speak of is a Gavazzi who lived in Greville-street, Hatton Garden, last February. Do you know any such person?—•• 44 Questo Rhwrdo." This Gavazzi told me he was a relation of the Gavaszi at Milan. It is this Gavazzi, Sir, that I was asking you about, and not the Gavarti of Milan, who you just told us was the only one you ever knew of ?—I only knew this young man the few days I was in London. . . . Did not, Sir, you and this Gavazzi dine together, during last winter, tbr eight or ten days together ?—Not for eight or tea days days. 1 was not here ten days. But did not you once or twice, or oftener, dine with him ? What I remember is, that I dined twice with him, and we had some rice. Was not this a short time before the death of his late Majesty ? —lle was already dead. Vas it not about that time ?—lt was after the death of the King. Immediately after ?-1 think, as fat as I can recollect, that I arrived here on the day that they told toe the King was already buried, Did you shew Gavazzi a letter which you told him you had received from sonic person here !—I shovel him a letter which came titan my wife. lam not speaking, Sir, about that letter at all. lam asking you as to another letter which you told Gavazzi you had re ceived trout somebody here to carry abroad?-1 remember sliew ing him a despatch I had received to carry from England abroad. Was it not a despatch you were to carry to Lord Stewitot ? It was. Did you not also shew Gavazzi a number of Napoleons, which you had received at the time you got the letter ?—Yes, Napoleon', which I had received nit my journey. I counted them user to him. Now, how many Napoleons did you count?—l believe there were no. Win you swear there were not 150 ?—(After some hesitation) —I con. tot swear the number I received ; but I received aO,l can swear I received no Napoleons in gold. Did you nut tell Gavazzi that whoever gave you this, gave you more than you asked to pay your expencei ?—t did nut say so ; beeastse I had only told G.tvazzi I had got money to make my ourney. Bat will you swear that you did not tell Gavazzi that you 1414 more money than you asked fur ?—I cannot swear, for 1 asked lase than the cxpeuces of hay journey and voyage ; and lie can't say so. 1'b:•11 will you swear that you did not tell Gavazzi that what ever you asked for they gave you more than that ?—But I cannot swear to have asked for wore, nor can he swear that I asked for more; and as I swore to this before, I cannot swear a hundred times over and over. (A length) Will you not swear that you said to Gavazzi that you got more than you asked ?-1 never said so. Do you know one Joseph Visette ?—I do not know the name of Fische. Do you know one of the name of Vista:, ?—I do not recollect. I mean a person who lives near Liquorpond S,. ?--That :•tat may say, tier I can't rentembet that I came here in a sack, and I went away i‘t a trunk ; :LA 1 do not know the English language, and I cannot renieinber. on must recollect Visette litforc I have done with you.—Do you renieutbct an Italian man who dined in the same plat, where