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word)—Plassils3—to consent to? He might en quire why, when this reentry had taken one , at inset is oppearana, SO prOeineill a part in poditag an red to this trade, something more hail put beets Pf.. keeled to check those frame 'wind of the *ma the principle of which most nations agreed.-- Who could doubt, Goa the qctivity which Komi& tisil evinced in forwarding all these interests. which she had takes in hand, that she would in, Ibis case loam, if she bid uudersakeo it, effected more than had been dons by oar interference ? She had at le id always professed herself an advocate against it. lisit he seen the Noble Lord in his place, he mired vi.k, Shriller he, who had been the last lingering op ponent to the Abolition of the Black Slave Trade in kis own rosetry, bad not given to the Coseernmeni r e4sonable cause to suspect the 'homily of his in. pollen in advocating its totd abolition iw another. %%loather they bad !pawl ground for believing that bit ultimate support of the m was not so mach the resod of sincere conviction, as a secrifice to the opinions of a certain set of Gentlemen is Use linage, who, le their eternal bonnet, had ever proved themselves its warmest advocates? Looking at t".• manner in which the admitted law on the sub ji•ct was suffered In be evaded by France, he con ceived that as long as that evasion motioned, it otipt to be warmly lakes ep by this cowry ; end ihesefore that en Mission to it in the Speech from the Throne would by no means be discreditable to tint state document. Another omission which he could not bat regret, was that of not noticing the Commission for Engoiring into the Abase of Public Charities. He bail called it a Commission for En. sp.iriog into the Abuses, but Wend not kat', whether it desersed that same; for it was out that which bad bees originally celled for. It was set that which sireamsrances had reqeiresi, or the netiou dialled; hut that kind of thing which the Ministers had eon. lio world not, however, p into the subject 3i remit; for be kite., that in the Course of the Session it would bq folly brought before the }NSW by his Honourable end Learned Friend (Mr. Brougham). (teaselled however elaseave,that it would have teen much better if the Minister bad sacceedeJ in his direst opposition to it, than to bare made the lame end impotent thing which it now was, with its Members not selected by those who were most com petent to the teak, as most acpsinted with that which it professed to 'napalm into and remedy, bat nominated hs the Secretary of State. It was tree, that the! Commission was adorned with two names which scold have done honour to any situation, however' dignified, and who from their seal, integrity, and suility, were every way calculated to fulfil the kn. portant trust reposed in them—(the late Sir S. Ho mily was, we believe, one)—bet then their powers bad been so limited, that It was impossible to es pen eves fecal their esertions, any of those hippy moos which were originally cootesnidated. It was sot a little remittable, that in the adoption of so important a measure, the name of the original Mover shoold be emitted its the list of those to whom the task of calrying it la some degree tato 'Mennen was intrusted. Sack as omission appeased to him td be foolish Se Itself, eves supposing the objects in view t• be as estravagast in principle sad as Pianos in practice as they had been represented to 09.—Ule or , hcer, hair consicramace of it might have been foreseen ; and it was now loudly and widely staled, that the Goverameut of the country feared • mar whom they knew to be honest and to be in earnest.—(Cries of Hear, hear, heart:l—The Hon. C Wimps, however, who had last addressed the Illonse, appeared to think that they had white( to do bet to cairns their satisfartio• with the Speech whirls had been lead. For his own pert he could ant 'dash that be was perfectly patented with the 2(1- min/strollers of affairs, and knew sot bow, thereinto, to joie In en Address of asqualided cesgratolation. • Ile roeld not diray, that esaliensat end kit-overate feelings wese abroort, which he should, Wain!, 1.• grOt to see fomented or epeoreged; bet whenever Pis was the state of the popular mind, its Crate nes always deserving of attention sad enquiry. The temper of the People was at ell times some criterion of the justice and wisdom with which the Government was administered. It might be fairly asked, therefore. whence arose thediscoetents which were so gentrely end variously manifested? What was it that created a &volition to violence and outrage monor the the poorer and distressed classes of the community? —lf all the representations of the Ilse. Gaut. were correct, bow was the Hoag* to ecroont for the ay. sails of the late General ?;section ?—[!/car 11-111•• was it that, after the glories shed over the seismal character by those splendid military achievements which it would indeed indicate a pitiful party spirit to ov nook or disparage, his Majestyie Ministers should hive met with so mach apathy on one and such decided alienation ea the other' Ile could only captain o extraordinary a fact by the 'opposi tion that Ministers were generally regarded to be utterly wanting in those yealificatione, and its sen.ible to the importance of time wiessutes, which the country considered le be imperatively necessary ender the exigencies of its present situa tion ; end was it at all surprising that such en opinion should be universally entertained ? Did they not behold ell the most important aid vital domestic in seams arise cowry totally neglected, without any effort made to introduce whet was good, or men tally to resist what wee evil ? lie desired the linos* in avert to the system of Honk paper circulation, lorded'', as it was of such various miachief, but with respect to the contingence or abandonment of which no measures were adopted, and no interest. tion had been communicated. If they were to at. tempt to form en opinion from the contradictory vale. meets end ressoniegs of Minitterial organs, they would find no small difficulty, sod probably I e driven to the conclusion, that the only eteetiow in,rle by Government was t• Pert the evil day of ti,rity determining what was to Is:. done.- ; Aar, ror!]-0o the subject of the Poor Laws the lodillerence or imbecility was displayed.----V.ey petrol Oiled to continue progresaively des:rey. pulp ite independence and ontieresisii-o Ile morals ..r a large portion of society, whilst she Public were impatiently waiting for ti ed. reform : bat Public, he tear.d. "instil wait till ti heroes Its espectations would be fulfilled by the edictal advisers of the Crown.—Se •iso with to. R ecd ao the reformation of sue Climinad Co.le—o 'totted:4 at length lordli demactled tram all outs FIIL §EATFSMAN. of the kingdom—nbet had been the conduct. par sued by hi. Ministets ? the Orblit could not fail to bear in mind, that daring the Ilre;t1y1 tee' active life peehaps. of that gnat add good *en, obese philanthropy and patriotitot only ceased 'Mb It, end elbow name erue4d never be peeneetwollsy thew whi studied his character sithatit adayration re. 'erotic', that whilit S t ir Samoa! Rood y lived, the rt forms nhich he sugpstid, when 'not Immediately op. posed, received a tort of half support in that House. *sly to be rejected in another plate.—(lieer, he sr!] —ln elleding at the mete time to the subject of the Catholic Claim,. it could not be denied that a 'try large portion, ofsocifty conceited, that in the nine teropt century some reltaalion of laws past at so ro t:note a p►ried,'snd' under sach . dilferent circum stances, was iequlrtd by sound and enlightened policy. Others andowhitally remained i f opinion that the cootsnuatice of these laws in their present force was one of the mein securities of the Constitethso; bet in either view the subject sees clearly ane that ought not to be treated with indifference. His Majesty's Ministers, however affected a neutrality upon this interesting mod important question. melting neither to come to may errand mown ther e eetees respect. iug it, nor to tee any decided counsel to the Prince their mister. Under a G rieernsneot conducted en such principles, the country must he constantly es. posed to dissinsions and internal danger, rind the personal character of the Prince himself hroeght Into odium and iferopite. The 0111.611. rs of the Crewe had yet enabled their Royal Mater to appear in a popular ljght, bet en the contrary, bad ens gone an far as to stand between him and the Petitions of his People. They bad on a recent occasion de. dared, that their Royal Master had delegated to them the discretionary fiords, of the best and most personal prerogative of the Crown, that of mercy.— fle might ask, too, whether they had supported the dignity of the Royal Family, in bringing forward, at the close of the last Pediment, prepositions which that Parliament threw back indignantly in their teeth ? [Near!) Their whole conduct ;as in direct opposition to public opinion, whilst it tended to render the Es teem, power unpopular. A part of the power of the 1 .ws consisted in respect fi r those who admi nistered them; bet how cnlld this feeling be enter. gained towards thus. whoshowed any thing but re- sped for one 'towhee ? The Government might en. deavour to procure laws suited to their Owls per poses ; they might distort them, or violate them by towing libellers IliffiSeltell; but such desperate re. sauces coo:ti only bring disgrace spore the Quo, se well as oppression on the subje.t. The lion. Gen. demo, hourrer,hed a simple recipe for the care of ell these eine; sod it nes in the harmony and onion of all parties; or, la other words, in a perpetration of the Heim at the sliiitie of these very Ministers. Us himself certainly took a different view of what was ',usury to the safety and interests of the country, which appeased to him to require a very different system of Admioistiation, sod could only be effectually oseintalued by a firm and steady pile , liey, neither trockliog to power on the one baud, I nor yielding to clamour on the other; (aided wily by a belief of what was right, and as assersuce of what I I was mfr.—Ulcer, bear!] Mr. SINCLAIR geoid not agree with the sip. stews o f hie Hen. Friend and Relative, those. bit bowed to his superior gateau. His lion. Friend hod taken a wide view of all the topics alluded to in the Speech, as well as of many not touched on is it; and ' had commented with force and ity on all. lie was rather itemised that his lion. Friend had not embodied his opposition in en Amendment; sad at fore tried Ike strength of lite two greet poetise said to ems, in that House. Th. Hen. Geotlereseo do. dated himself of no platy ; he was neither an ad. herrn' of Opposition nor Ministere,but would give to each his sapport as cnuacientiously he considered they Wowed it. On the present occasion be considered tie shoold be doing kis duty either by his Consti. -I ewer.* or by the Public, if he wow to mob lii: iPteri by opposition. lie should, therefore, give the Adams Lie support. Th. Hon. Mr. LLI V E said h. rose merely in con stqe-ne• of en a ;iosion mode by the lion. Gentleman (Mr. Macdonald), which he could not coffer to pass nooticeJ—he mound his elluvion to the esercice of the memo: tint of mercy. la rho case open which the (lon. Seeellensen's o!.servations were founded, Lord Sidewalk bad re:eireil directiens to act as he Phould think proper, but not before it had been fully esamine . by the Privy Council, and their advice sanc tioned by the Prince Regent. Mr. M ACDON ALD esplained. 11. had Needed his flrlal i ~ g upon official &icemen's. A Petition hod bee, transisitted from Liverpool, signed by at beakers, on behalf of an atifortunste man, whose' name he di.l not immediately recollect, but, who was! then •nder sentence of death. - It *se addressed to his Royal Highness, and conveyed totord Sidotooth through the medium of the Right Hon. Geolleraw (Mr. Canning). His Lordship's answer to the Right Ilion. Gentleman was as follows :— se Sir, I have re. edged your letter, containing • Petition to his Royal highness the Prince Regent, praying for a respite of 1 the sentence upon three unfortunate men ordered for esecoolon. A similar Petition has beets already for warded to his Royal Highness, end I have been ha. moored by his commands to act in the mode most consonant to my own feelings sod jodgment. It wooid be unnecessary, therefore, even if time per mitted, to forward sit Petition kr his Royal High. nese." Mr CANNING was desirous of 'tiling tom of the circenivances attending !ilia case, with regard to which she Honourable Gentleman appeared to bate • fallen intr.& osistakir,* slid relied WI the indulgence of the House, that by so di ing be should not preclude himself f•oin the right of sl.raking on the general isehj et ut the Add, pis, if oho debate should be con tinued. The ca.e of Ilse pnfnitenate person referred Ile, had esidt rgone a omit paints! arid attendee inves tigation before' fall Council. IP) whets no eitcont %taute of estenoation was osertoolteil prerkes to the sentence being ordered be carried Into effect. D u ring the interval, knurlier, soirrst petitions were presented, one of which, 311 • Natter of decorate, ' was laid before his Itisfai Nighties, the Princp Re- I gent. It was nut till t' sets that a shiereilwairi slum. tny was contoienicated to the Secretary .f Seto. The Ilesse, hi was t iessesded, h o d tot le l ists that briglit as the prerogative et &Ivey *al, It 011$1 virregatite which the Crowe sahrciteti spot tbe site of it. responsible S 4 l;nisiorr. The opinion of the Privy Gunnell bed been ',skew—it was recorded — and time discretion of respiring or exPeotilig 11 , 0 .en. qinca Wes laterwards seated in one of those ',von vible advisees: to the 'present ease, that Minister, the discharge of the trust thus committed la him,• bad seen no ground to justify a respite of the sem.• tepee, and felt that to grant it would only be is es. cite hopes that must iuevitably be frustrated. It alas from a perfect knowledge that the prayer of the ap plication could not be complied with, end not finis any oilduraty of feeling, that the Whine from Liverpool had not been forwarded to his Royal iligentes. He had himself assisted in the painful consideration of this case before the Prior Council ; but he thought it his duty to transmit the Petition to Lord Sidniouth as he reeeleed it, and as if he had been entirely ignorant of the subject. Some f e w boors were lost by his accidentally sot adverting to his post letters immediately Go their arrival, and be mentioned this in order that the House should be folly appriaed'of every circumstance le the slightest &tree connected with the transaction. Sir HENRY PARNELL recoiled that no pro. sped was held forth in thetipeech, of a onion of his Majesty's Protestant and Catholic subjects through out the Empite. Such a alai., would contribete more to diffuse mil sal confidence and general happi• nets than all the Treaties which were to be laid before them. He called upon the Hoes* and upon the country to recollect, that Mr. Pitt bad advocated the deists of the Catholics, sad that it was owing to his opinion that the question arose. Unless this question should be settled, Ireland could never be restored to peace and prosperity. This question could rot too res.sted upon any just pletiple of po litical consistency or political modesty. When it should be neat breaght berme the House, he hoped that a more deliberate, a more serious, and a more conceding view would be taken of it. The Catholics themselves were most mappable in their claims, end unanimous in their sentiments upon the subject. Ha trusted, therefore, that the these would regard this subject, not as an imitated and esimpertset ques tion, but as a question of the utmost importance to the harmony and prosperity of all parta.of the Em. Aire. The SPEAKER now rose, and after stating the question, read over the proposed Address. Mr. 'FIERNEY said, be felt no disposition to, offer any observations, after the very able speech which had been delivered by his lion. Plead behind hies.—[Rear, hear !] —All he wished, was to guard himself against being ptecleded from animadverting afterwards on any topic contained In the Speech, by Wog supposed to agree to it merely because be did not object to it. He considered it but fait to state, et the same time, that the latter part of the Speech appeared to him to contain general doctrines respect. log public credit, which required the deepest cote sideration before they should be elevated to. To thit most important 'object he would take on ten, oppertenity of calling the attention of the Hesse. if no ether business should p t, he sow gave so., lice, that be would, on Tuesday, aid of February, move for the appointment of a Committee to eit. quire into the State of Public Credit, as connected wieteetre Honk Paper System. illse (motion was then pat and minim!, sod a Ceibmitte• was named to prepare an Address in I MSS of the Resoletlone now passed. BANK tORGLRIF.S. Sir J. MACINTOSH wished to ask the Right Hon. Gentlemati, whether there was any Report made by the Commission appointed last Session to Esquire into the Means of Dmanifhing Forgeries on Rank-notes ? The CHANCELLOR. of the EXCHEQUER. replied, that they had made a Report, that it bad been laid before his Royal Highness, and that It would be NM, so soon as the merge of business would altow, before the Ileum Sr J. MACIN rosu asked if any idea could be given of the time? The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said, that it would he in a few days. ESTABLISHMENT. Mr. TIERNEY said, ee understood something was to be brought before ten !goose respecting the care of the Royal Pomo ; bat whether the moody of his Majesty's Person was to be the only topside. rider, or whether the Establishment at Windsor was to be considered, he did net know. Tb. CHANCELLOR. of the EXCHEQUER replied, that both the custody of his Majesty's per. sea and the regulations of the Household would be brought under the consideration of the House, and en Tuesday nest his Noble I riend was to move a Reso. lutists on the snhject. Mr. TIERNEY said, that he had asked whether the Windsor Establishumit was to be the subject of consiti.ietion ? and to this the Right Hon. Gentlemen had given no answer. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said, that the Windsor Establishment ha considered to be that part of the Household Establishment which was at Windsor. Mr. TIERNEY asked whether the whole of the Establishment at Windsor was to be submitted to the House? The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER sail, he was not prepared to *my whether It was or not ; but his Noble Friend was to make a proposi tion on that subject. The House edjoureed at Seven o'Cleck. BREAD•STREET MIK& A Merlin Wes yesterday convened of the lithe- I idioms of &cad•street Ward, at Cordwainer's-hall, Distaff-lane, before Mr. Alderrnaa Agate, in par asitises of a Rectal - sitlnn, for the purpose of taking into consideration the proteedirtga of a Meeting held at Gerrard's-ball oa the 14th ult., at which a Petition was drawn op to the Prince Regent, re questing his Royal Highness to stay the eseeetion of Cashman, Weller, and Driscoll, the three wen who were emoted for forgery. Mi. Alderman AMERY haring opened the business of the day by reading the ktegehdtatke calling the Meeting, Mr. MOORE rose to wore certain Resoletlons cen. wiring the conduct of those ladlsidnali at whose in stigation the hleeting we, douvettett on the 141 k alt. IA • Gotord'o.holl. Ho obeervod o tlia. alto°. be felt considerable dilcolty au refulgence to iii..ve a vote Of 'censure upon any Ins , ' d uel, w!•-•e'ver his cuediscl might hit • bee jet he it.. it hi ) Ilte present occasion to the Ward of Bread street from the &puce. M. then w.nt into a 4itteil of circernstasces regarding the *;gni , )4 of the Petition; he said Ann Four, the eiitstea; Whore ea Milli lICCUSSIIIU'IS ttad he^e 17114 C, woman of quite a different description f:em that Which bed been represented, thmigh •l.e had hreta employed and paid by the flank ; and ref - 4 strongly on the conduct of 'Mr: Nicholson. Ifs concluded with moving a series of re.oleint luring the conduct of those' indiridualc ~••ofe I II•ligat1011 the Sleeting in question lam' rene‘l. M►. Caokatt seconded the He had b•el induced to sign the Petition r. ely from th• repre sentation of hs m •set and seconder. end he confo‘s ed tbat ho attended the Meeting under the erroneous idea that from motives of humanity alone it sag con- Mr. Wawa'''. w►o seconded the motion made at t►e Meetibg of the 14'h alt.. wi.h onurh warmth de nied the charge laid against Mr. Niv!mis.m, lust he win inebriated at the Interview with Mr. Brown.— lie himself accompanied that Gelalemen to the host* of the Keeper of Noweate, *lid he most ges f e lf or declared, that Mr. Nicholas's was as sober as say Gentleman now present. lie ►ad most cordially ass seated to, and approved of, every thing which had been done upon this subject; and he should ',way, acknowledge it as the proerleat act of ►is life, that he had done his utmost to /UP the Hies of the indi. !ideals who bad been ezecuted.—(/lest!)—Thel ecceiatioe against his friend Mr. Nicholson, he *avid roma, was e direct falsehood, sod a ball and infs. ■ous calumny. Mr. Moons replied, tint thersi were tiers or throe persons trresent when Mr. Brown made the •tier► lieu.—((tries of Name deer !)—He did sot wool• Wet their names. Mr. Boma said, that altheegh wholly onseqessiot. ed with the Wield's!' who had broeght this matter forward, he bad sot only glissaded the Meeting lo question, bat was present at the conference wits Lord Sidmoeth. Alihoegh what he 11111 about 114 say might meet the disapprobation of some persons, yet he coeld mot help &misting that the condom of his Lordship upon that occasion was highly bosom. able to himself; his condescension was tech as that it could only have been trimmed trr be believed. Mr. Nicnoz.son, who *es the mover of the Peti tion at the former Meeting, then rose Is vindicatima of his own conduct. After observing upon the em. berressing situation la which be was placed, be said that it had suited the teenage of the Meeting that he bad taken upon himself the conduct of a matter of sorb impatience. With respect to the accesatioa which had been meet desteroasly broeght spinet his, it was as false as it was calamities. There oat scarcely a man living who bad ever seen him in this condition stated; bet eves admitting, for the s•koot argument, that he was in a state of inebriation en the Friday eight, if the proceedings at the Meeting on Saturday were sober and discreet, world any man re. fuse to sanction those proceed*, which had for their sole object the what of the lives of three aofortamstm men ? The mover of these Resolutions of consent and himself were et issue upon facts only, end be was prepared to prove ail the facts he had stated at the former Meeting. Re int adverted to the virtuosi person Fear, as she bad bees termed, a hose chancier he wield prove to be the most depraved of wnmas kiad. Ile bad collected the folios tog facts :—Threm pars ago she h a d Hood at Wandsworth, and was welt 'Lamm for all the acts of Infamy she was guilty of she was e common prostitute, cud a noted receiver of stolen goods. From Wandsworth she removed is the night-time to Keattington.lane. Bete she kept a brothel, a house for receiving stole. goods, and a sort of lodging-home for yoga; thieves : she took. them at the age of 14 and 15, and regularly broke them in. The neighbours set op a great opposition, avid she was fairly dreamed out of the place. Since that time the Lady bad made herself more compicooes. This was only the commencement of her depravity, and the thieves she tonight up were oily of • petty kid. She bad a lad, who had since become welt hewn, named Charley Brown, sod who was tried at the Oid Bailey for horse.stealing. Oa this trial AO have the led a good character, sod by her evidence the Jury were induced to actialt the Prisoner. Whets celled into the box, she was most elegantly dressed, sad in the middle of her evideace, to g re effect, she palled a whit* pocket-handkerchief fray her side, sad let a parse toll of money fall upon the floor.--. When she had delivered her testimony, shit sari. " Did I not do the old fellow excellently ?" (reaming the Recorder, Sir John Sflyester) Her establishment having balm broken up at Ren. &won, she removed, also is the night-time, to Berdett • 'street, opposite the Asylum, and man there known as the utterer of forged tinter. She passed more forged notes than probably any other parson in the trade. She was accustomed to paint, west *{p, and change her dress, almost every day. At length her husband was taken up for forrey, anti pet ow-beard theiholks. Simla that time Ibis virtuous , lady had turned detector of mums of forged notes, and she had declared that she would hang all the Jews in London by her evidence, until she got back. her husband. He then proceeded to explain that the Meeting had been assembled without the cotent of the Aldermen, from no disrespect, belt lons e want if time. So far from oisbl:ig to offend the Worthy Alderman, be had reason to feel grateful to him is the highest degree. Eleven yams ago be had appear ed before Aldermal Ansley, upon a summons from the Bank, in committees of his refusal to return a forged note to an Inspector. Mr. Kaye, the Soli. eiter, then attended at the blension.house, and _pressed the Aldermen in the most urgent manner to Irommit him (Mr Nicholson) for having a forged afti in his p o ion. The Alderman refused to des what It had been since proved he was fully jus tified in refosing, and be (Mr. Nicholson) was this enabled to return to ht. family without mu dergoing tie odium of a trial at the Old flails/ for a capital offence.—(Loud applause.) -ll* did not know whether the Alderman Ferment e'er the., bet he shoold himseit never forget it. Mr. Nichelso4 'oast obrarrod, that a PabHc Prior, the .t 6 g lie at the roes end of Taoism!, had strutted t :at !IVIel • ---• I I ) i