The Statesman. — London, England, 1819-11-24 00:00:00

N M S. I, •. . . *it De man was pews escept be wore a white to, sad bed leap among esourh to address a s ui khgart mob; ee4 Whe were etteieptieg to in troika into this happy seentry all the sad and dostvective theories of revolutionary Franca; who mo n *4 content with meeting at the places E d dirk owe molasses, bat were use marching fn. le place, with rev , detiestary bea ms, s in military army. The object of these prom multi net be mistakes, if the Reese would d ely advert to ese of the Rawhides, adapted at the Middleses Meeting, which declared that, sheeld h. How of Camases paw soy Act contrary to ,fi r opiates of Coestitetional Rights, it shield not beceseidered as a law, bet railer be held in the kat of as error origleatieg in correption. With moped to the ieerraoe of oar military form, It mast wsubject of regret ; bet he had no doubt those tied advised that measure would be able to show 1p n ocostity. The Hon. Canteens thee adverted ti the revst promotions for blasphemy, mid oh. itened, that eves in Coerts of Jostles bad the troth of the Christi.* Religion been denied, sad tier Gid .taleseleted. Whn costa my the fluent of sell which ' bed bow produced by this conduct, or how widely it Might have spread. He called on the House to tern its attention to them sobjecti, and to consider how seeessary at this period ass seseintity, which, not• withstseding the attempts et the dissffected, would, he hoped, ea this Decades prevail, and strengthen the heeds *I Geveremst this importaut crisis. No seeeleded by iseeedisi lb . Address el his Hee. pried. The Address bolos bees read, lit TI ERNEY, after impressing a slab that he geed steed argini„ is the way of amendment, his objections to *bet had Le "delisted In the Speech, which easy Gestlemes, times agreelog with bias Is the (messy of these objection', week' desirably are 4: het he ces•idered that in the premed state of the imestry net a moment might I. be lost by any amain making a declaration of Isis opinion ; it was net lamely the echo of a Royal Speech that was ne comary, bet the avowal of the opinion by which the Neese was actuated. lie had heard with horror the blasphemers transactions that had takes place. It wee set, howevisr, a subject on wh,ch he =rest to eislarger. because Ise was toughened the' however greet might be the evil, the Lana were 'raciest to meet it. Be &deed that a people mere elevated to God fled Religion than N England wee. not to be foetid hp the world. It lies, however, curious, (het when the House la been told that the &etches were sot tarp esoegh to vermin their somesoes congregations, god that sew epos had in coosequirsee been built, they shoisW he see informed that Infidelity esitersally prevailed. If he could be convinced that the laws were not spf• ficiest to check Its costa., he was reedy to call for mere. The other points they hod to consider wets of a difflosellitteve : WO one could dray bet that te melt Tad @voted in several districts; bet be was of epistles that the laws wee. Sillkiellt to check and put down any *eremites that "tight ensue. Ho world sot deny bet it was possible that dram stases, might octet to require mere coercive esta emu, bet it did not appear to hits at present that mach a state of things edited. He believed that all that was required nese vigilant at tonal" to their samba tntNn by the Government, sod that the people *Yoshi be convinced that they were mildly sad impartially guested ; but he knew not whet new laws could be enacted sufficient to suppress the feeling' of a people set having coalidence is the Government. The great amerce of all the mil that masted was escistise•tase. hos. He had often warned the Herne that their re- Hertel were not lanhaestible, and when he bad seen millions after millions granted by the Hoes*, and proposed to curtail them, he had been thought some to be an enemy to lucid order : he might, however, now appesl.le the Hesse, whether it would set have been better if his suggestion hod been attend. ' std Ic. More wet required from the subject has they amid opus with cosvesience. There was something in the Speech, which, bad it not proceeded from the Throat, be should all a miserable sett of hope, 1111111411 f CIIICDIStni to delude; that the feuds of the coestry were likely to improve, but whkh, it was well known yield not be substaatisted. It was set more t haw sine months age when, in a Speech tress the Throne, the Home is ' ad bees con. greelated or the state of the Fintsces—they Irmo then told they were mast flestithing is trade, um 'stetter'', sod commerce; yet those who bad coun selled that speech could not believe it et the lisp it was recommended ; and sow there had been Ilectestines, it was mid, and that as a slight improve. meet had taken place their hopes were to be animated, end they were to believe that all was well. No. Thing was store mischievous than such Oscillations. — He *Odd appeal without fear of contradiction to any winched also might be pr esentothether commerce had ever bees is so complete" state of starvation. If they askid hie manufacturer, the same forlorn reply would be gime ; if they asked the labouring classes, their answer wield be, that their wages were 110 low ass Sot to enable them to maintain theasselmm ; added to this, there was the betty berthen of the Poor laws, with he atteedept mischief, that while it assisted the Ishouriog classes le make up a snooty Gebel...ace, it destroyed that spirit of ladepeedeoce that former. ly distisgeished the psosaotry of Errilemi ! -- Was It strange that under sock a complica. Poo of evils that dialect's's, diecentoot, and tree ifeSS9ll and sedition Oswald mean ? He hoped disaffect's@ did not, bet be knew the most grievous diocomest predominated. It was the duty of every booed man, whew Item, the state of the Coss try, to speak est; and eitheogh he might probably cache the classes of some, yet tkogreat cause of die. evilest was, that there was got sufficient cesidence in the Howse of Gemmons.—(llewr, Scar !)--This opinion was not confined to the lower classes of se. nifty, but emended to those in higher stations, who, while they disrlaisted wild schemes of Reform, were convinced that there was something wrong in the state of the itepreamitallea. These were the epleions of men who held in contempt, us he did, the Radical Re. imams • It was blooded not on th eory, but on the practice; ceniktinn that the state of the Represents. tine was not beneficial to them. Ile mast thank the iI n. Motet of the Address for the liberal manner in whichlie spoke of thrilis.inctions of Remmers. Ile was not ashamed to orknowledge, that many of the schemes which be had "Need with admiration in the stair of youth, be did 04 now eitertais se THE STATFAItfA4I. warmly : as he adduced is years, he would ant Ida enedviente, for IFe fives of Englishmen were say he had grown wiser, but he viewed things sacrificed to passion if not to some worse and more more coolly and. dispadlogately. . The oestatry criminal intention. Ile wished to say molting harshly pl.ced its conlirlonce in the House of Coen. of the Magistrates, bet be asked why were tbsteelel mons, that Hoe.e was said to be the gandians. died used? No recess was offered for their betel' of the public purse; they ware too the grand impost celled upon, unless it ass. that Nadirs sail the mill. of the nation, and if they found themselves au dry were neeesary to aid him its the epprehension of viewed, to whom were they to apply for relief?— Mr. Hunt. lie had beard of the discretion vested le Two branches of the Legislasure were lied, to the Msglstrecy, and a wholesome discretion shield the House of Commons, deserted, they looked for be allowed them; bet what sort of discretion was that redress. There were some men who had entertained in thee. Magistrates to employ the Manchester Yee. strange notions of Parliamentary Reform. The maim? If so armed force were at all necessary on the Hen. Mover had said, be believed some line of occasion, why art employ troops from some other dig. distinction might be drawn between the Referred; tried. If all Reglad were searched through for be hoped, as far as himself at least was concerned, he troops for such • purpose, those of Manchester had drawn that line of diatiection. In meth, he should hare been the last to he selected on such an could net claim much merit to himself, for in their occasion. Bet there were reviler forces enough in pablicatioes the Radical writers had laid most en. the neighbourhood to be employed, did the circuia• mercifully nn Whigs as well as Tories, w hich might stances demand their employment ; mad hid they been be considered as • 'tied el poet obit •a their ea. *sagged it was his Gun conviction, that every thing popularity. He could set therefore have any very week' have gone off quietly—and the Haase of greet reason why he should side with them. As to Commons and the Gevernment love avoided the the doctrines of Annual Parliaments and Universal Rowel indignation which is heaped upon them, sod Suffrage, be did not believe they had wany paid. deeervedly hasped upon them by the rational and sins. When they spoke of their hundreds of thou- thinking, end humane througheet the empire.— suede, they most be coesidered as strolling players, Would it be these too much to ask of those who performing each successive evening; so thew periods said they were se alive to the protrude of the stroll from place to place; forty or filly thousand public peace, to be sloe alive to tho rights and li. persons marching from town to town, would indeed bruits of the people? Nothing less deld satisfy make a formidable appeareemr, while ell the idle sod the people; sad nothing could so materially tend to cellars in such places would lock ti their stand. produce that satiefecties as the immediate biotite gni. Their lags and emblems, too, were conveyed tine of se enquiry by the Hoed of Commons.— to different places ; bet he did not believe one If. The Hesse of Commons was considered the grand tietb part of them were supporters of their doctrines. • inquest of the nation, end they could net therefore It was a fart that these opinions were entertained bet de led st all events, than esquire into the origin, the in the disturbed districts. Such proceedings us the progress, end the caseloads. of that melancholy election of a Legislatorial Representative for Bar. affair. It might be said the sufferers on that occstion mingiteur must be held in contempt, and even if the could obtain redress, bat be did Not know whet sort person elected proceeded to take possession of bis of. redress the multitude could obtain against a bench of Ice, he would, be thought, find it ens of the most ie. Magistrates. It had been the object of Minis coandent tripoli@ had ever taken. Taw, was sufficient tors to eventide enquiry; and there was none to satidy bier, that there was ne reason to Malang. that did hot edged the wadies thanks to the ed et the strength of the Radicals. Gentlemen on the Yeomanry, when It was impossible that the circus. • her side of tho Hoed should not however forget, stagers of the case could have been knows.--o tout they were Radicals is their two. Sofficieet at. Ministers were, in fact, parties to the transaction ; bursa* was not made for the different state of the and without intending any disrespect to the Noble middy, in point of odecatios, to what It was 40 Lord, he could net Held to his statemosts. The pre. or 50 years ago : then the proceedings of Parliament polities before the House Win, that enquiry should worst:hided as it were In a dignified mystery, with be called for ; end yet a Noble Lord bad written to a 81111111 d names; bet new, when the greater pert piths Sheriff, that be should sot call a Meeting, as it had a palmiiie were competent to sift their added to teedmacy to prejudge miqeiry. If that were net a the bottom, the Reese must, if they calcelated es breach of the privileges of that House, it was at least tbe &dente/es of as enlightened population, sub. a breach of decorum. A Noble Lord had lately bed mit to their criticise. and the changes thereby dismissed from his office only bagasse he had called' rendered necessary to be observed in their see. for smoky, end had 'needed a Meotiog for that per. urn; and if they thought to suppress the fettles pod; though he had held the *See for 20 year*, of discontent that prevailed by the aid of new laws, and was universally beloved and esteemed ; and had troops, or lefel addresses, be believed they would reserved the peace of the comity frees the respect deo led themselves greatly disappointed. The good sense to his personal character. The NOM Lord (Castle. Bed honesty of the Hoe. Mover forbad* his alluding reset) might smile, bet the Noble Lord mu apt to to the transactions that occurred at Manchester on smile when he mu sore. Was that the way to pet the celebrated 16th of Assam last. With the pro. down party feelings, as had been recomededed by foodless which @scarred before that period, they the Bee. Mont (Mr. S. Conks) of the Address ?-. were not now particularly merged, the whole of the The Noble Earl (Fitswilliam) had bees dismissed Pram ease as lewdly culling for enquiry, is chsrged as his ollee s month before his seceded bad beee sp. having occurred ea the 16. h of August. From the pointed, sod ansonciatioa mom have proceeded 'mew period of the 16th, the subject of Reform had passed diately from the Cabinet.--(ther,kene!)—Why was by; and the country was new agitated from one es. Mr. Bent to be arrested en the heatless whoa he eternity to the other. The nation, es if ulth one might have been arrested equally well the day before, voice, arose, in consequence of the transactions melds for the peeped of giving employment le the Yea which occurred at Manchester, and the delay of emery ; and the saws coons had been adapted is Loe.l 'edify ,in'o these transactions, has gide. to die. den iu hedge of Ilestisso. The whole of the proceed. content a ,uirier spread, in despite of threats and logs evinced that no confidence was to be placed ie penishmied, throughout the kingdom. He (Mr. T.) Ministers. An additional military force might be oo hed already stated, that ender ordinary circumstances Denary, though he knew of we iodides is which the he would have no wish to mows so amendment to the military bad been overpowered. Ott the debate of that Address just read ; bat when ie found the whole night the Coestitoties was at stake--(lleer !)—and nation anaiously preying the Prince It.gent to call should enqeiry be negatived. it would be vein for the Parliament toader, for the parole of earthy him or for say other to raise their Taints that He —and that the Parliament was assembled, be skosld and it world be apparent to all that the lid of dim be guilty of dereliction of his duty if he even seamed shield was drawn betwizt the higher sad the lower the lest day of their mooting to pass over, without t classes. On that subject, he trailed, a warming would instituting that enquire. No subject demanded en- be taken from Use only period of the French Rave. civicy more, end no Ilia could be more proper for lotion, when most of the evils might probably bate proceeding with it, than the first day of their asses- been averted by timely coecessioe. The Right bling tovabor. Ilia whole object in moving en Honourable Gentleman concluded by meting an amendment war, to enable the House to obtain the Amendment, le substance as follows : That Par. amplest information on the subject —such informal'. Hawed having been called together In a stases fet lion as might justify the Magistrates, sod satisfy the mach distiegs, the House had taken the matter el maestri. If soy thing ever required explanation, the Speech into its most serious consideration ; that this subject pre-eminently required it, especially the Hasse deeply reprobated the attempts that hod when it was found that a multitude amounting to been made to agitate the lower classes, and week' fate thouseed by some accounts, and to seventy strenuously support the principles of the Gerrity. thousand by other accountv, bet be their number as doe ; but the people, at the odd lime, ought to be it might, et all events admitted to be unstirred, when satisfied that their complaints would meet with si lt was found that so many thousand persons, tention. That the House, without prejudging the mil so circumstanced, were on a sadden attacked case, bad felt deep regret at the mots 'of the 16th Ips an armed force, that teeny lost their lives, of Aegnst, and that enquiry was necessary, to show lead many more were maimed and cut. A man whether en illegal meeting had bed assembled, •r` Odd nos affect much of honesty or humanity whether the constitutional rights of the people bed to ssy that enquiry was loudly called fur.—[Crier of been violated. hear, Amer!)—He was not there to say who ass in The Marquis of TAYISTOCR wedded the the right, or who was in the wrong. Ile wished amendment ; bet he spoke is se Iry a dee of every allowance to be made for the previous state of voice as to be frequently isandible le the Gallery. imitation that prevailed at Manchester. lie pre. At a time of peril like rho present, he obeerved It sowed there was a strong spirit of party operating was the ditty of every sae to stand forward and dells upon and between the higher and the lower glasses in yen his opinions us to timbal mode of removing these that garter previous to that fatal affair; but still evils which were so generally allowed to exist.—r. Mewed was shed, limbs were maimed and broken, Ore this occasion, he assured the Hone, that he wee and many persons Were crippled for the remainder not acteated by any party feeling. He felt the dam. of their live,. Why all this was done he sought gets by which she country was surreueded so great, to be informed, together with every friend to jos. that he could not' with justice to himself or his Coe lho end liberty throughout the kingdom.--Ile stiteenta, reassinsilent en that eddied. The greet was told a strong case could be node out for the object before them was. the 'dell of the prodediegs Magistrates, and he hoped it would be so made oat. on the 16th of August. He alluded to these re it was little to him, if he aheuld be told that the I coeditor et present merely for the peeped of tarot. Ilantiog was illegal, end that its leaders were taken I log the House not to disappoint and lulled the minds for a treososable cens;rirsry ; still that was no of the people. Ile hoped end frosted that a fair and IMMO why no enquiry should he instituted, nor was I impartial entielry into these paddler mould it see answer whatsoever to his complaint, for his be instituted. Let witnesses be examined and let case began precisely at the period when the leaders ;no biassed or perry views impede their pideedings of the Meeting were taken off, mid the Meeting re- —let them here on object in view but the ands. seined as peaceable and quiet as sae thee had the mint of justice. Taehins it was a miller of little im. presentee of their chiefs. These leaders were taken parterre* who was in or out of office. compared with op perhaps correctly ; at all events, sailboat any • his Indio, On screw the peoee sod h.riaiiims of the Iresistanee being made, and conveyed Is Seely to the people.—[/fear!]-Ilot heir wore these ethic!' at. Ipion where they were subsequently con 6 ,e 4.1. Now tended to at reseal ? One of the lest Noblemen in 'after all ibis, what he wished to knew Wes, shy the country ass degraded bees's/. ha had the suds. ouch a Meeting ads to be dispersed by a midi dry I city to oppose himself to the minded of Mieisters force? They were net rioters, they were not aimed, • [flew. Sear!]—Bat it should be recollected that they were • Hulot their Generals ; and then, no. this N.rbleman ate the first to de trot and repose the less every account gives of the matter were al. vies and infonaut who bad been sent about the together false. they were slashed and cut about by country—that he ass one of the erst men who had halosasoa, without either cm,n or provocation.— the coinage to site to Ministers his opit.i.tn of the The effigy was horrible, and it Ids still mote so is state of the country, and whose gent fault was his cellist; ter an invit.tegr n 1 0.n.0. nr.:nrrth.r . [arerieg 3—For tins the N Bpi en. tntej I. the sneak of •Irri friend lof fterdons, end its te , iring from office he twits) sigh hunt the respect end gnarl wishes of every honest man. The N• hi- M. , quir., eftir store 4.,!:.1 eb• serr 'lions. the import of *A. n op &ugh' floe PotirCt, remarked, list the greet ciao• of the elmtrerses .1 Ilia errantry was eacessive tuition. Tito p• 'nor damn were borne down atitb rases. Mach had been sold shout a Property Tax ; but if the C4anceller of the Eseheqaer were •e•is to prop4sa sec% a fax. his vote was et his service; bet oe those conditions, that some of those lases which orpreised the Image classes of society aerosol:m.Bl(4—th.! every call of the coon• try for eceeonsy and retrenchment .I.oold be Weeded to—that the cosiesty should sot again he disgraced by large greet• of stoney on unnecessary r rn• ohms. Then, •nd not till then. woeld coheent to the imposition of a Property Ta•.—[llea►. hear, keerl—lt us. not yet in late to beat the breads wlaicb wee made between site (;brernr•ent sod tbe pow*, bet it most be heeled unless it less Intended to drive the cowry to despair.--[llear 7]—bisch sight yet be done if some steps towards 'orn were token. Ile di W d not 'seen to point out whet specific Hofer. ought to be , adopted, het something meat be dope. Some persons in the cowboy appear ed to ha all loyally, bet they should recollect that tree loyalty coedited in preserving the liberties of the people —[Cheers.l—Could the loyalty of the Brest body of the people be doubted? Look at the immense load of taxation which they had borne with out repining ; end after this, he would ask. did they deserve the treatment they h ad receieed? Ho begged, he *wrested of the Howe not to treat the people with indifference or contempt ; let their Petitions ho received let them lie satisfied by a fell enquiry lotto whet bad recently takes piece; both paltry sod justice demanded it. The Norm wee banging over their heeds conciliation It might be averted, bet it was impossible to do so by foree or violence. Ile entreated the Hone to grant • fell end a fair enquiry. The Address and Amendment hails, been read. Lord CASTLEREAGH observed. that Ministers had sever felt • mese inlet responsibility ; the smite of which had induced thee to all the Howe Isr. 'ether, though the pinnace of the Members was ite necessary to the places of their respective readout. If the amendeent want to pledge the House to soy thief, it Sus extremely espy, escept as to the transactions et Manchester. He had so doubt that Govereseet still possessed that ceefitlence of the clammy that bad followed the whole of their Minis. Serial career, gad Without which so Administratiee could possibly exist. Should the Howse meet the difficulties at home la the nee spirit es they bed met those abroad, the seise molt would easee.—. He sheeld to-morrow lay that necessary papers Were the Hone, 'damn the medium of a Coemittee,aed ea Friday state the measures that it was in the ems. temptation of Goveremeet to adopt. It hid bees elated that lives bad hems lost at Idaecheeler, bet may greet calamities lied occurred in the bietory et the coontry without reemerge bele( had to Parliamte• try enquiry, than which ee proceeding could he more fatal to the dee edealaistration of jostle*. Par. !knout was not the proper tribunal, sod should he compelled to answer creations relative to individuals, that Deers*, was forced epos him. There Was •D• intention to arrest Haat tie the day before the Meeting, and it was only his conduct os that day that made the Magistrates regard the Meeting IS of • ttemeable nature. He had been asked, why was I he multitude smelted after the arrest r —Bet it bad sot bees the 'stashes to diatom the Meeting in the mow that bad takes place; me, had their porpoise been so saugoinary, they might have diemosed an avowedly illegal Meeting on the 9th of the same month. Haulms bad fled to I.andoe to avoid ea arrest ; sad be must protest easiest the dee. trine that the presents of a multitude should peoveet the niceties of the law. A military Nippon bed wet been panted till the constables had stated that they could not act without it. The Magistrates bad ',this% to de *Jib the selection of the Yeemaery for the ger. vica,as that depeuded ea CoLL'Estrsege,whe commie. ed that description of fens to be the most constite. dismal ; sod that bed formerly been the opinion of the Right Hoe.Gent.himeelf. The Magistrates bad deter• mined that the Meeting should be dispersed is the meet legal wooer; the Riot Act bed been read from the elude' s( the room in *hick they were assembled. A Magistrate then went to read the Act to the aeiti•ede, sad was trampled soder feet ;and another who west to reed it bow the bootlegs, had bees unable to reacts them, It was his belief that the troops had bees smelted by a mob. The evillest*, he was aware, eas contradictory ; bet the Hone R Commons was sot AS peeper place to decide oe each evidence.— Oe the followlog day two curt Weds of stones had been blued on the ground, though there had bees seas ea the day precedies, sod It bad bees stated, that pistols had bum Ind from the windows open the tro•ps. He bed es doubt that the Mies• trates would be able to clear theseleises is the face of the country. The Magistrates were reedy for trial ; sod that ttial had beets put of by the party aim: *Whig that they bad beets aggtieved, wolf the *leg Assists. A Grand Jury had aegstived the bide agates( the Ysomaury, and not a single inditt. Nat bad beat found evilest the Magistrates or the °Roos employed. It had bete insinuated that the (;rated Joey had eat dose their duty; bet a Criminal ' , formalise might beet bees moved for spinet the Magistrates in the Court of King's Ikea., which would have brought all the facts to light. It was a seementoos proposition to call upon the Hoes* to enquire. witheet -the pewee of admials. tering au ostes—(Crier of liter, Arai. lawn— Aso adios of damages might also Isaveie;n brought, sod would have diactered all de facts of Nlto case. Could proceedings be poodle( at therms time beds 'in Pig filament and the Courts of Justice? A trap had been laid by the Radicals, end the Graftage opposite hod, as easel, Niles kit. it. Upets the subject of thanking the ticeps, sorb bed he.. the practice on all similar occasions. Out of 10 Magistrates that wet. pre sto', nee only bsomied to Manchester. In all reel; of 'gessoes and rebellious the Magistrates and the Govereaseet moat to basil in hand, gad the Msgis tom wets intitled to have the °pinto% of Govern ment en their roadoct spite that arcade.. Govern ment had the opinion of Col. 1' Est rsuge, sod the Law 011 tits had heels of °pianos that the hang slratts bad U I