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i 1 MARCH 1 6 .."` —Before sitliwg clowir he begged to state, that It was moat pa,nfol to the Duke of York to have his name connected with irsiv money diseismions tat that Renee. The Ihike was ac tuated solely by a sense of public duty ; but be WAS autho rized to state on the part eine. Royal Highness, that he would uritlhel directly nor indirectly accept of any genet Ir the private property of his llaje•ty. I'lle Noble Lard con tinder' by moving the first rr.ulrisimo, lhar the 4111110f50, 1 / 00 1. should be allowed net of the civil list fur the expetives of the NVisidsor Establishment. Air. 'Vitiate ev that he should consider the question under three heads I ht. the allowance for the Windsor Esteb lisentelit ::.l. the allowance tut the servants of the lam Queen and ad. welch was the IHUSt impel - relit of all, the allowance to the Duke of York. He had at first beets of opiuiou, are the sow ut :010.101. was emelt too large for the Windeur Establish er, nt ; but had soilesequently altered his opinion, when hr un (bassint that the expellee of Witelsor Castle :done a ei..outed .ss 2u,teral. a year. The remainder lie did not think ton 1 4 re a fa the Cale of the King. 'f he country would up braid hint for any little economy by which a saving of 2 or 3,0,10 i, might be nude. There had been etiough of 14141 debates iu that House, and he was sincerely sorry they hail hot come to a e;Ose, It Wes a 111411er of extreine regret that the case of See ieell's Establishment should have come before the Com- Matte, but that %vat probably occasioned by the circienstan• ces of die case. lie had performed a most unpleasant ditty iU canvassing the claims of Ladies a high rank, but 01 bleeder tai tulle ; toe expence had been stated at 21,0001. annually. lie bad felt doubts on the soihject of the male pert of the Esteblishureast, haw far they n ei e entitled to the ewitiiiiialice of their shin sauces , and that point had been eubsequently eiv co up by the Nat& Lord. He wee pleased, and he hoped SIC potties Nese ei; telly so—( A laugh )—lt had been said, that toe tetuale pint ut tile establishment should have their 4110W ances its well as their Salaries; autl 'eons' li of set vice It ad teen also pleaded ab a 4r1)1111i1 fit •111itinflal sell 1111 l and the Committee had 1)f.411 a line as well as they could. After the declassed 111 l of he Sable Lord, lie aispeeled to the inelice of the [time; and sliduld he succeed, oinin the principies albs Neale Lard, he would throw lawny upset the House of Cone. noes. The. House had hem told, that it they voted money from the Privy Purse, the Doke of York would net accept it. But he would say, that if the House voted money, the proudest Duke au Euglaud might take it. But he denied the proposition teat Litt Privy Poise vas the private property ot the King. The 011110) had out been given to the 11150 but to the office, to s upport its aligai(y , and Parliament lied never teeognised aay sem as the private purse of the Sovereign. The Ministers were responsible for any sum taken flour the Civil List by the Kole; moiler that reraiensitaility the King might have taken 6:0,0.101. as soon as 60,0a01. The privy parse was Unknown 10 the C nustittilion, to Parliament, end the Country. 'the mini at first taken for that purpose had been 46,0001. and hail been suhseipiently increased 1360,0001. In 1799 the King had psi r chesed the granted on which Kew Palace had levee mitre aids haat. and titer. wished to be enabled to make a will. Hence the Act of Pal lisdiesist had originated ; but that Act did nut recognize the existent.« of a privy purse, brit only that the nroiwy leaved by has alejests mierit be dispueed of by nisi. 'fae sr:el:alien of Pruvideuce web which the Koss; was a:dieted her altered the whole of the cese,aud thew hole of his private property was setered by the law. When the King was first taker ill, hopes hail been entertained of n Speedy recovery, amide arrangement had hero in.:. le respecting the !navy pails. But where was tux used ut asay artangeuserai had the pony purse been regarded as the private property of the Sorel - env When the taupe; oi the King's rcovery lied ceased a new HI ranv,eshent ueeu formed by th e e Stud of the King. 'list was the principal Act, and would satisfy the House that whet be proposed had been recognised lay three blenches of the Lcgislature. ee Cousmissioneis lent beast appointed, in whom the management of the King's perSonal ploperty had been invested. These Commission:es took an °Atli of secrecy oa die subject of the property, froth will h tilt) were only released by coinit.g intu a Court of Law ill defence of the 'novelly. They were bound to disclose nettling, erre in consequence of ail Older of the lieuee. lly the 39(11 and 40th of the Kiee, the private propel Iv had been eccuristely defiued ; but the privy purse ass not property in the same souse. 'file privy parse was charged with two payments, :au anoint, peynieut of 14,0001. and a monthly one at 4,2uu1.; but by the 52d of the Krug the monthly payment had been raised to 4,9001. and the value Art had declared it to he rea boilable that the expenseo of the medical attendauce should be paid out of the wiry purse. So that it would appeal le be reasonable to befallen the privy purse with some part of the charge; and infiriuous,accin ding to the Noble Lord,to borate', it with another part.—Hear, ItrAr.—Ministers had made the savings under the Act of the Slat evadable by the Act of the 54.1; and that was certainly a strung mrsswe. Dy the wore, of the Act, the C •. Mums, who hail the tuirmge meet of the King's private property, had no power over die privy pulse. The House had the poem to take even ilos expense ill the Windsor Est airlishinetil °ldol the psivy pulse; but he had no intention to nuke may proposidual of that na ture, But Mailable's arid, Eudeav our to nanke up a purse Jur Ord kuows whom. Another wiry poise of 60,01141. bad been assigned to the Prince Regent, and tells WO, to Ire re garded as varied; for it was as much the property it the hung as the first, the appointment of a Caistos . wa s a aur charge aspen the privy l oose. A couit o f equity would pulsate tee balite course that he was enaleavournig to impress upon ,he (louse, and the necessary charges wound be drawn tier tile property of the lunatic—No doubt! frees the filinisies lel side.— Well, then, (continued Mr. 1..) all are *greed: and Ilse Amendment is gamed That Ainendutent was, that the surplus al isine from the Dimity of Laiteastr 1 J fiats the Privy Purse should be appliedt o delta) the eepence et the care cri lite Royal "'resell. He agreed with tie r'.otlir Lord, shut ilie character of the new Perimment wonla depeuit upon the Vote of that night. it was the duty it every lege, in the patient slate of die comedy, to save all tie 100111) he cuaild to the Palma:, and here a saving might b • suede to the anemia of Wastrel. a year 1 and I.e sleight. emPaine to tlinsk that rum would be saved, till lie loose! bier self in the rulasority. lie thought the Kurile Lord had been under the heceseity ut leveling such a pioaosal, contrasy to Lit ewe good good Renee. Of the grant itself lie sitonnl say 11.)thillg, and had adopted the present as It middle c The Mgt, chalet:ter of the ileyal Family *meld be huh t by the toudeet al Allnialtll, who 11411 VII a Inflater OCCasiuli made den...lnd.!' 12,0001. for lite Royal Dimes, awl hiteu thee glad to raise b o itl.h. A had I. ins 11 114s1 been made fur the bounty • the cunnuu ). Tbr Prince Regent 114 d 70.0 inti. per A mami, besides eb,inno. as (lattice el ales, and as 1)111st al CJ111 , 4 all. 051 W which, 30,0JU1. was set ashes tot payment of na. mot., arid 21,00111, to the Ps incess of Walee• It w•as thin toast uupohtic to insult the let :imps oh a 61111111.1110 d 'the Right Hon. tient. concluded inutving tke .a.s.re • p uetul..ut hoar Ire had totusetly otated, of d ept)ing (lit TIM NATIONAL REGISTER. surplus of the revenue of the Duchy of Lancaster, and of the Privy Purse, to defray the expellee of the care of the Vocal PeTSOII. Mr. Peet. thoneld the prnpnsition of the Right lion. Gent. moat miwarrautabie, the indelicacy of which was irdecnieilt by no adequate advantage. Bs the Acts of the atith soil 4otli of tile Kin:, a valley poise had been recognized, and more fully by the ,tet of the .slst ; but an allowance of 00,0001. a-year had been level:liked by Parliament, even neiore the 29111 and 40111 itt the King. By Mr. Burke's Bill the privy purse had been recognised, and estimates of expen d hide directed to be made by the 'f reasto y, by the Act of 1782. In 1789 a Bill hail passed that House, by which the power of the Regent, with respect to the private property of the King, was limited to the renewal of Irises. The Right Honourable Gentleman had said, why shuald not the reninne tali )))) of the Cullom, he taken out of the privy purse as well as die payment ut the medical men. But that charge was made payeale out of the privy purse, because it hail been so paid by the Kin:. When Mr. Percival had moved the appoint ment of a Secret Committee, the late Mr. Sheridan and Mr. Adam declined to attend, un aecomit of the indelicacy of enquiring into the private. property of the King—Hear! hear! —and their conduct had out been disapproved of by any of their party, Mr. BA NK Es replied to the last Speaker, mail differed from the view taken by the Noble Lord. The right of property would nut be at all affected by the proposed amenilitieut ; nor was there any reason to ;top' elicod the spoliation of private property. The stun ill , ine,lion wlm. mole thou the iniditioll4leapense that would be hielired by the Duke of York. Mr. Wilmot and Mr. Martin of Galway; said, they should vole for the grant. Mr. l'ltteritEßUL gave his cordial ilsvtlit to the amend ment. Mr. HURRISSON observed, that at the beginning of' the Kiug's the whole nf the Civil List had bete at the dis posal of the Crown; but afterwards a distinction had beeii made between the put iipplicaeie to the puldic service and to the expenditure ut the King. Tile office of the Royal Duke was one second to none. lint that a soli hail alto gi own not of the calamity whirl' had induced Pei Heinen'. to invest another of Ills !dimly with the dignity of Regent; and there fore it nut to be rous.deled as a private otEce. He wall astonished that Gentle Heat could consider the lattice of Cuetue as uneoinieeted %stilt the Windsor Establishment, when, in fact, the Doke of You k was to has e the wimle controul of the Windsor Establuslimetit. It' it was the pleasure of the HOlise to confer an erilumei dote, they ought not to withhold from him a feir a enitmeration, b ut not out of pi °petty pinged as much out of their power a, that at soy private individual whatever. It' nal, let the Duke of 1 irk have notlijug ; hilt let him preserve los honour, and let Pailianteist preserve its honour cheering—by uut interfering with that which et,it nut belong to them. Mr. Hu me said, the Right How Gentleman had appealed to the House to protect the honour of the Duke of York, and he liupeil they would, fur it was unlv his .11.9esty's Jliuisters who hail railed his Royal Ilteliness'• honour ill gnatiol. By oltei nig his It teal Higneess a re 111111 l eration, they were puntul Kent in the sit Ration of any common kei per.—Question! question was quite satisfied the Duke of Yolk would ankiously ilowitarge his duty without fee or rewatd. lie Was willumq to go any leligth in reemneratine the Mike ; but lie Could not agree to set Mitt limn the hard earrings of all eady over-hardened People 10,0001. a yeah. Lord Com eroe agreed in die alisolut e necessity of ecoonloy in the present ?Mite of the ennutry ; lint this was out et tee cases in which he could not agree. Ile thanglit they itaa now, in the unfortunate state of his Majesty an opportunity of' ivarking their loyally. Mr. )lAestriet.to said, he could net epee a ith this vote, which was against the plinciple, of eemionty imposed upon him by the distresses of the country. Ii was more necessary to mark their desire of economy, than their loyalty, Willa lie believed bad never yet been doubted- Nli. Wit.soa 1101 ashamed to vote against popular 00. nion, it it dal trit agree with his conscience ; but to this in stance he mineil emve ins vote for the amendlitent. Alderman N tI rum As would not lie afraid to deliver his opiiiian 911 this vni..)wel, it' it should be afterwards necessary ; not lie hoped a email he unnecessary, and diet the (petition would be deiiileit that night. Butt it mused his indignation to hear, that the Doke of York was willing to take the money out ci lee pocket, of all impoverished people, hut nut out of the Privy Parse, MI. H. Datis spike for the original motion. The Sociceroe .17 es un te thoiLlit Hirt, if the House ailup!ed the Aimee/intent of the Right Honourable Gentle. hit 11. pry wonted repeal all the Acts ut Pat lianucu t, rexu iatin4 and fixing the Privy Piirse to be the private property of she K ent, and nt hit disposal entirely. lie knew of had altered the finality of the privy porse, Or which could justify the House in applying that to public nses whit-hi was private prOveity. Mr. Sc se t.e.yr contended, that front Mr. Bin ke's Act and the others regulative the amnia, 6:c. of the privy purse, I it was evident that Parliament hail power user that allow- once. Besides savings had Inca talked of; now he would gay that it cuuld nut have been in the contemplation of Parliament, wheat Mr. But ke's Bid was passed, that any morphia or savings of the Pr iv y Purse would take place it had been contemplated, nu man who then voted for it would have done his duty to the Horse and the country. — Tile object of his Right non. Fi iend'4 ni:nnidnient was, not to diminish the amount of the Privy Purse, but to apply die -in Of it. No man could have a higher use ut the virtues and calamities of the Royal Sufferer than he had ; and if he could think - that this was pi irate property. lie would he the layt tO advise its tieing touched Iv Parliament. Tile SoLICITOR GENERAL esplAinest, and denied that lie had ever asserted Parliament had nut the poster to alter the provisions of any .‘et of Pariiament. Tiiii Attorney General and Nlr. S. Wortley said a few The Gallery was then cleared, amidst a loud cry of Qnes tioti, and Hie Committee divided.—For the iniginal Motion, the Aatentiatent, ISO,-31ajority for NliilistelS,9 s . Tne 0' 110111601 i was tlien :speed to ; the Chaiiman reported prugie , s, islet °Waisted leave 1,, sit aga in, nex t Jay. AdjOnEned at hail = past One. _ - TUESDAY. The na , nes of the delinuet at the ballot fur last nitiay %were calk over, %hest laud l'aloteratton was ordered tutu the cuitoti; the Strjeaut at Arum. Sims alter the Serjossist roosted, that the Noble Laid vsaa to Custody; %lieu, upon the motion of Mr. V tustrt tut% atier N few woods foam Mr. 4oat %es, the Lord waa ordered to be discharged npon bts lets. Mr. V A NBIITART then moved the MUM order respeetin4 defmiltera at election halloo.. Mr. SHAW lire%elited a Petition from the Corponeioa of agaiust the Catholic Claims. POOH LAWS. 'Mr. S. BOURNE slated, that a Hill lie had introduced last Session, en the Subject of the Poor Laws, had nltimately tailed. Thal Bill he wished again to luring in ; butt should not then go into any details. The Bill had failed in conse. (pence of some alteration made in it by the other House of Parliament. The Clause that had been left out by the other house lie should, for the remit, postpone; though he cow* ceived it to lie or essential impotence. He should content himself at pie.ent with inoviiiy., ►hat leave be given to bring in a Bill fur ►he Amendment of the Poor Laws.—Leave was accordingly given. Stit S. WILSON asked, if the lion. Gentleman could state whether any increase or diminution of the pour tales had takidi place since last session. Mr. S. BOURNE, said that lie could tint make any answer from actual knowledge ; but, udging from conjecture, he was afraid that in the agricultuial distaiets, at least, there had been no diminution. Mr. BEN hET presented a petition front W. Brownjohn. an inhabitant of Bristol, cotnplaining of the arbitrary conduct of one of the Alderman of that city, by which he had lost 10001. WINDSOR ESTABLISIIMEMT. l'pon the motion of Lord Cs...refit e son, the House went into a Cominittee upon the Rhyal %%Motor F.stalisisionesit l'he second Resolution was then agreed to, that the total slim of 15,21A1, shoold be approps idled, in quarterly sayments, for the salaries of the female attendants sot hi's. late Alajests. The Noble L•irtl said, that in moving the grant of 10,0001. &moodily to the Cnstos aids sjesty's pi r son he wished to call the attention Of the Gummettse w soh offite, and not to the istiividual by wham the office might held. It would be impossible to entet initintsdy into the se. le of expellee that such a situation wiand respire; thostels t WAS evident that seen an office would be liable to teeny calls. Ile thought kluself entitled to the support of the gigot Hon. Gentleman opposite, who hail made ins objectvio to she 411111, lint °WV list is,sid Item witches. it was to he taken. A pre. cedent hats beets estabi:shed fur the giant, to tar ease of her late Majesty, foot which he saw no rea•oss tic shote.l the:close wove, that the snot of 10,0a01. be ~ranted to the Custom of the King's pei Wu, to used the expcnces of the Monition. Mr. TIER NEY roilld not see upon what grottoas the Noble Lord could expect los sopport. It had been 11,s earnest' wish that the dis msdon had besm spared altogether. Bin for his his own pal I, he had hispo•cti the giant when proposed for the late Queen ; and w hat had taken place ou the present neelthillll F•hottld teach the floss , c the danger of estaalishing a precedent. De 514015141 1101 !dell laikti the sense of the House, lai mane Gentlemen opposite seemed, sinaccouniaaly, nut to have heels AlVitle . I Illot the .tilijcct would come on to ni ; ;ltt,• f The Minister/0 flencites were then ti:ln)—but lie would cer lately take the sense of the iiimm sot Taitirsday. Loi J ItaxcLts.ee signified Ins hostility tothe proposed grant. Air. WASSERMAN said, that in the p strut state of the coun try, when the table of the Howie is as loaded with Petitions, pratin2 tor relief, lie had hoped that en example ut economy would have c omitted trusts the highest antlsolity. :Minis ters should have advised the Duke so take sin allowance. Mr. t.enwca telt it his duty, to give hiss decided opposition to the Grant. Losd CASTLEREAGII thrri moved that the Didse of 'Volk should !laic the payment of the penxiiiits granted to the ser vams of the to the aliment up to which they were !ADC tinned by law. The Noble Lord, in answer to a spiestion from Mr. ItasisteS. stated that the Duke et Ynik was to have a diseretsatiaiy power as to the btivichttinoatiOlt 01 ' the servants of his Alajcsty. mid the sa tarles to which they woli:s1 its came utience he eistit.etl, to the extent fixed by law for the payment of such salallea, It aa, then 04 f eted, that the sane nt I 1,50151. and of 12,5001. tiring th, , CI pars of 5:4001. and of 300001. should lie made part of the con-. - . liana. • The Report was num oiderid to be meet , • At ihuisday. -Adjourned. WEDNESDAY. Mr. MCKENSON p . reftented the Report of the Leitr im nee. [on Committee, watch confirmed the Winn of Luke ‘t Eery. The Deputy Clerk of the Croon at:vital...l to amend ilia Evesham return, substituting the Ildllle of Sir C. Cock et for that of Mr. Barightini. Mr. S. BOURNE Nought in the Your Laws Amettilmen Bill.—Read a first time. Sir H. Pannet.i. presented a Petition from the Roman Catholic inhubitaiits tit Nenagb, pro) Mg fur a les istoia ut toe Penal Code, &e. Ordered to lie on the table. A Rill was brought in to ascertain the tonnage of vesscie propelled by steam. Read a first time. PRIVILEGE. Sir R. Wi rens; having moved the Order of the Day for the attemilance of the honourable W. Qom in his place, and that 31enslier appealing in his seat, pursuant to 110 We, to pieser.t a Petition limn !'homes %Titian' late Cleo k of the Peace tot Limerick, tilt Cohn) tar veriicit Mr. Q. is one of the Representatives. In pieseuthig this Petition, he begged it to bo understood, that lie was duly toe vehicle of accusation ; he preferred the charge comaint ii in the Petition with pain ; but in prneeediug h was oniy performing Ills ditty !)—Tlie Pititioner stated %Oat the Itniewrable 11'. Qom hail been 111.11/oiiilea Custas Ruta tore,* of the County of Limerick--that when soil' appoint• meat took place the Petitioner was clerk of the Peace ; All otfiee that he hail held fur 13 years, perfor g his duties for some time by Depot 4111 Artlllllllol It youth ; and hat Mr. Quin, on his appointment, intimated time expectation that Ali. I.W.' 0. should withal ass um his Whet ; AII allowaiice of 2001. on condition of his giving him mi l lion at Electioi.s in future to the amount of Inn votes. 'flue Petitiim, it will be iecollec• ted, was presented Ay Sir R. Wilson and 31c. W.Rato. pm snant to an Order of the House to that effect, attended in hla place, col entered into an explanation of Ills conclavt, denying m tote the truth of all the allegations is lite Petition. From the Don. Meniher's atatimietit it uppeared, that NIL Bialy, who' is at pregt.-tit 23 yea's uf a&e, haks held the attuation li yea's, Navin; brew .1111,01111e11•I tight )11:s111 tit COLA Soilel mg 11111 a A.I iiiefficient Officer, detei towed to remove 11141, • and, oii lua tepresentiug that shell a step would pros' his ruin; Ma • Olin*, teuai nualis es of humanity, endeavoured to pi item, tire Iwo, from bas sllCrebik.lf, the allowance id . 110;11. is year, Mat 'he Hun. Nit:ober denied e‘arol, 'turd M . air :wet:4l"i mint U u elated to the Solt or 'nes of Mi. roust. tie Hun. Nltimuer a [Car the rem adder of the Paritaat , a, see ter 6.1 t Fait. J