The Statesman. — London, England, 1821-02-28 00:00:00

IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. 1111WIlit-Or LORDS, TtaasaY, Fan. 27. • • An Account of Sheep Add Lambs' Wool imported test preientesi hY.Mr. Irving. An Ace , nut was also presented respecting Doree:Harboar.--Oedereil I lie oa the table. A Petition w pigmented by the Bishop of ST. • 41111 1 1VIEFS, from the Arebdeseonry of Stafford, against ll* Whistle Chtiars,—Ordereit to lie on Ate table; The Animal ladle:amity Bill was brought ttp fres the 11111911 1, of cninfikolle, by Mr. Emotes sod other Meimbers, and read a first time. kijourneet till to-morrow (this day). ROUSE OF COMMONS.—Tease • AGRICULTURE. Petitions complaining of the Agricultural Distressll) were patented from the Truro and other branches of the Cornish Agricultural Association, by Sir W. " Lemon ; from two parts of Suffolk by Mr. Curless from the Occupiers of Lend in Worcestershire, by Mr.i • 1.ygoo; from the Occupiers of Land in Northampton shire, by Mr. Yfrottesley; and from the Occupiers of lanai is; tilamorganshire by Sir C. Cole. HUNTER BLAIR moved for Accounts ofl Grain Imported and Exported since 1791.--Ordered. Mr. GLADSTONE pretested a Petition from the Minufecturers of Deals in Canada, spinet the altera tion of the Duty Ea Timber. • ,• ..! • • Mr. BYxli presented a similar rola* firma the Traders enneretett with the Shipping . of Lantos. A Petition wai presented from the Clergy of the Arehdeacotiry ..f Stafford, gains - the Roman Catholic Claims. by (we believe) Sir J. BOCtiIIEY. • Mr. witorrnsur g ave notice for Tuesday. the lath of March, of a motion to amend the Bankrupt 'Laws. Lord G. CAN' F.NDISH presented a Petition from 'tertian Freeholders of the County of Sussex, praying :that the Queen's name be restor ed to the Litur gy . trite Petitioners etpressed their regret at the proceed ings of the Milan Commission, and prayed that inquiry should be made into them. They also stated their persuasion, that if the sense of the nation had been properly represented in that House, other measures than those which had been adopted would have been 'take*, and they prayed for a Constitutional Reform. The Petition was laid on the table and ordered to be r ' printed. Mr. T. COVRTENAY brought in a Dill to pro ride for the Distribution of Unclaimed Prize Money o'f Soldiers and Sailors in the East India Company's Service; which was read a first time. • 1111.4 RES ON THE THAMES. Mr. C. CALVERT, in pnrsuanee of his notice, 'hared to repeal se mach of the Act 22 Charles ii. c. 4 1. as restrains the proprietor' of . Wharfa between the Temple and LendoMbridge, from erecting any build- Ns or inclosuree thereon. This Act provided that a cOrtaln space near the river should be kept free from ; bat it had been n...glected, and there was not I . .i g le t ,„;: a million and a half of property erected on that g i a . e. gar"; indiehinals were now endeavouring to si'sialt the holder* that property. As the reason f..r keeping that •parr clear had ceased v be should move to repeat that /troth:ion. He moved for leave to bring i.: the Bill. Sir. if. cu mis said he dill not ob;ect to the l'ainging in the Hill, bat he did not wish to be pledged to support it.—Leave given. Lewd ALTUOIIP brought in the Rill for the more swedy Recorery of Small Debts (by County ('onus,) which was read a first time, and ordered to be read a second time on Friday, and to be printed. TURNPIKE TRUSTO. Mr. D. at Loma said, he had to move for leave to lain:: in a 11111 f or a very important local object, the itegulation of the Roads about London. It appeared by.the evidence taken before the Committee, which hail inquired into the subject, that 170 or 100,0001. were levied in Tolls in the neighbourhood of Lon. doe, and that the road* were maintained at an ex pense on the average of oboist 1001. a mile, yet they were in such a condition, that (instead of being, as they were naturally expected to be, the beet that coul.l be found in the kingdom), they were a disgrace to the metropolis and the country. The l'onintittee tsbo hail examined into the cause of this circumstance, found that the trusters were not morally chargeable w:tli any blame, hut that the defect in the perform• once of their ditty, arose front their . numbers and ether defects in the coostitittion of the Trusts. The evil. it was imagined, would he remedied by consoli dating the Trusts. Be hail, therefore, proposed, in the last Session, that all the Tracts should be consoli dated Into one mass. At this time discontent was es-, cited, anti, he allowed, justly, as it was feared, the roads. might be thrown into the hands of persons without local knowledge And interests. Ile proposal, in the' present Hill, to divide the whole of the neiglPl hoodo's! of London into three or four ; but, in 1 h lir't place, he :dioritd try three districts—r-one to tbs l i smith of the Thames; One the north-eastern. and one the north-western district. 'Within etch dire trivt )te should prnpose that one Trust, .stosipaised of a limited number, slemald be established, elected by the 'separate Trusts, to which sboutd ate added'a small number of Trustees chosen .by Parliament. Hr did not propose to appoint Axial persons, or those any 11 • ay corineeted with tiovernment, as the last description of . frintees, hat persons residing in the .various dis tricts and having local interests. . Ry the formation of these three Trnsts, .each of them, having a great ex• tent or• road under its care, would he enabled - to em ploy theznost eminent surveyors and intelligent stab , surveyors. In their system. and in tlae materiels used, greater economy and perfectionwas thus to be expected. All the alils of modern ,egitnee might be applied. to the hi - nines.. The geological maps which had been rreesely published. laid open more clearly than bud been hitherto done the districts from which mate-I riots were to be 'procured. The nutterial from primi. live were known to Wiener, bu'h in harass.** and in the other qualities degrable in a road, to those from al.' 'Jovial countries ; but the aids of 'clew could only be made available by bodies operating on something of an extended scale. • He wished to correct a most an loon led vision that bad gosc.abroad.sehas he had al nig ► la pat the roads untie: the saperinte*sre of 041 covatasiatit. He (anew that wasisfisegotilil be so rainul otia r 11seflsxis, aid would such.* dear to job 11. liri tisti ( perm Jill. .14, 1, be had inserted a .1 . ob. 44, % * i. t wn ip t i•An kets . a the !, • • • • a • • • • •••• - ' , ~-~... be omitted it in the present . °nip femme' of the tiovernmenr, according td •Blis pretest Hill, was this—as it was not deensedjost eildetge 04, particular Trusts in a general Trust, withonCthe can !sent of the creditor., if slur of them shaild , Object toy it, which was not anticipated, the Chaneelibe of thro. Excheyster had cons-ented to sonadvace limey to pay them off. lie moved for leave bring in a Bill accordingly. Mr. Celt**: expreseed his jealottey of soy mea sure which should take the management of the roods put of those who had local knowledge, but he should isist object to the bringing in the Bill. The roads. 'about London were out uniformly bad, the Uxbridge - mid, for instance, was a very good one. Sir JOSEPH YORKE %jibed to know whether this OM would affect the roads of she Waterloo Bridge Company ? Mt. O. OILIiERT said, all roads managed by Joint Stock Companies were excepted. • Mr. CALCRAPT said, after the pertinariona man ner in which the Bill of last year, which was now en tirely abandoned, had been defeudetl, be had some hesitation in at un4 approving of the preaent Bill. He was willing, however, that it should be brought hi that the House might examine it. • Sir M. W. RIDLEY spok e of thi expense akragib.. sat to the Acts of Parliament for the geetteletValr Trusts, as,o groat obstacle to the improvement of trio& He wished to know whether any general measure on that subject was in contemplation ? , (We could not catch Mr. Oilbert's explanation.) Mr. HARVEY mentioned the excellence of the roads to Rumford and its brandies, and hoped it would be excepted from any general nseasurv.—Leave was gives. REL %NB. Mr. N. FITZGERALD said, he had to more for various Accounts of the Trad ~ Revenue, Debt, and Expenditure of lrelan.l, at different periods, ten years distant front each other. It was nut his intention, in the absence of the Chancellor of the Exchequer, to mate any observations tit:4 would require reply. lite particular motions out of which these observations would arise, he should defer Gil another slay. Ni' one who had paid attention to the concerns of Ireland would deny that the actual physical couditiun of the Irish people required deep consideration. Early in the next Session he should submit a motion to the House on. the subject, and the papers which lie should move for now and hereafter, wes e intended to show the truth of his statements. Ile moved fur the amount of the Gress and Net Revenue of Ireland, in 1700, 1800, 1810, and 1820 ; also for the same years' Ac counts of the Amount of :'se Funded Debt and Interest of the Shipping clearest outwards, and entered inwards, of the Imports and Exports, and of the Shipping built and Registered. After a few uorals front Mr. LUSIIINUTON, the motion was agreed to. Mr. M. FITZGERALD gave n 'ewe of further mo tions on the same subject fur 1 hursday. Mr. BENNE Is moved for aceettnts—Of the eller tire Force of the British army in January 1821 ; of the Deaths, Discharges, and Desertions in the Army in the last year: of the number of Recruits, dilstin guishing this..? for limited and unlimited seeder; of the Numbers of the Yeomanry Corps.—Ordered. Mr. BENNE also moved fur Accounts of the Ex penditure of the Colony of Ne,v South Wales since 1819.—tirdered. Colonel DAVIES moved f.r an Account of the. Allowances, by way of superannuation, enjoyed by persons who had held military situations.--Ortlereis Sir 11. PARNELL moved for Accounts to shew the duties levied and drawbacks granted on goods poising between Ireland and Great Britain.--Ordered. The House resolved itself micas a Committee upon the General Inclostsre Amendment Bill, and solar new clauses were inserted upon the proposition of Mr. Wharton. The [louse resume , !, and the Report was ordered to be brought up tmistorrow. ARMY ESTIM %TES. Mr. C. LONG, in the absence of his Noble Friend (Lord Palmerston,) took °erasion to pastpone nntil Wednesday next, the intended motion of his Noble Friend with respect 'to the Army Estimates, whirls at present stood for Friday. Mr. LUSIIINOTON gave n,,tice that the Navy Es timates would he moved on Friday sennight. A short conver-ation took place upon the subject of the Army Estimates, Isc•ween Messrs. Bennet. Caltraft and Long, which was ioandible in the Gallery. BULLION ANO NOTES. Mr. RARING moved for several returns, with a •viest to shew the relative proportions of the vaioe of gold and,silrer, nith the profit of the present silver coinage, and also to staeo. the F roportion between the convictious for forging notes, and coining or debasing .the coin of the realm. . Mr. GRENFELL took this opportunity of asking some information from his Honourable Friend, namely. whether it was his intention to bring forward within -the preset( Session, either the plan he had ;ream , mended un a former day for establishing two steAdscrls . of gold and silver, or whether it was meant tv *Oh mit a proposition for establishing the project of • his lion. Friend, the 31einher far Fortarlington, for ren dering permanent the present system of exchanging notes f r bullion, instead of following up the m easure for returning to payments in cash. For his own part, he eon! I not help deprecating any attempt to interfere with the arrangement for resuming cash payments, but especially the proposition of such all interference at present, because such a proposition moot serve very wnch to unsettle the politic mind as to the operation Of ptospert, as to a measure Ellirlsorliaterer difference of opinion might preyall Jespectitte its merits, it could nut he at all necessary to disturb within the pre sent Session. Indeed, as the art fit resuming Cash layneuto was not to come into action nritil,3lsay 11633. is gold not be nee • %%% for its opponets to ,kateefeve, with its object before the next Session. wkicit would ; be quite time enough to igitate the question. .Mr. BARING replied, that he had no intoutioaraf bringing forward, within. the present. hesaion, any plus upon the antjeet allstalest to by. hio•Mostouralphe rriend. But he understood that the Claauceller of the ReAshognet was likely, within a.(ew daya,.4o Wan: dare sI proposition that must neeessorkly bivalve nee agitation of the gantlet' with respect to. tint saeisJ t tion . of rash payments by the Monk. . , • : • t ..es-tepi Mr. 011N . X14T observed, that eatlealeg , is. the ele• . some days. tie Oa* for the • inimitable note esti,* failed. ..erefore Ministers thesoselees Mt the meter situ el abolishing the issue Osman notes as soon as puha*. &Id promoting the measures neressary to the resomption of east payments. The Hon. Headman `took occasion 'to ask for information front the Treasury Bench upon this subject. Mr. ROBINSON said. 'bat be had sees tba ataba.4 ment referred to by the Hun. Headman respecting the impractibllity of manufacturing inimitable bank-notes. bathe could not speak as to the accuracy of that statement: With regard to, the question of the Honourable lientleman, as to the intention of the Vhanrellor of the Exchequer, be wits unable, in the absence of his Right Hon. Friend, to answer that question. • Mr. CCRWEN expressed a hope. that if the plan proposed for fabricating an inimitable Bank-note had altogether failed, some better plan would he discover ed, or at least, that no possible means would be re mitted to make out such a desirable discovery. Mr. R. WARD said, that he bad made some in quiries upon this subject, and was sorry to learn that the result of what had yet been done did not prove satisfactory. But there were still several plans for the manufacture of notes; and although the plan whichit was hoped would be quite successful bad been fbund to fail, there was still no feeliag of despair that an ef fectual• plan would yet be discovered. Now pending the inquiry and ?net don which were making to make out this discovery•, be must say, that he thought it ex tremely inexpedient to bring forward casual conversa tions upon the subject in that Howie, as !melt ronversa• ' tions were but ti o likely to produce public inconveni ence, if not public alarm. Mr. BENNET declared, that the result of the in qniries which he had made upon this subject was quite contrary to that of the Honourable Member who had just sat down, as he found that a complete despair dii prevail as to the practicability of manufacturiag an inimitable Bank-note. Hence, if Cash Payments were not is-slimed, the Bank would still continue to pos sess the power of dispensing life and death in case of forgery. • Mr. D. GILBERT said, that he, with other Members of the Commission for investigating this subject, at tended at the Bank about three weeks ago, in order to witness an examinatiois of the plan deemed most likely In succeed in proalneing an inimitable note. Seine de ticiences in that plan were pointed out by the Agents of the Rank, anal the author undertook to supply them by snaking the additions required. Therefore a con ticket expectation WAS entertained that the notes so much desired wonld be ready for circulatiuu by the pay ment of the •filislinnser Dividends. He had himself, indeed, seen the author of the plan referred to the other day,, and that gentleman told him that he was going on with the isnprovensents suggestel at the Bank with every prospect of success. Where then was the reason for such despondency as had been expressed upon the other side of the House? Mr. CURWEN said, that he could not Nitta that it was reasonable to object to a request for information upon a subject of this nature, such information being so very interesting to the country. Mr. It. WARD, after what had hoe. *sated by his lion. Friend behind him (Mr. (Elbert), referred to the Bosse as to the justice of his observation. The Hon. 11. RENNE f, in justification of his re marks, referred to facts. Mr. CALCRAF felt himself called upon to state. notwithstanding the denneciation of the Honourable Secretary for the Onlnance against any agitation of this subject, that he but yesterday learned front the best authority, that the project for !manufacturing ini sitable notes had totally failed, and this information he was of course more disposed to rely upon than the statement of the Honourable Member for 'Wolin, who, arcoraling to his own observation, had not had any communication with the Bulk for she last three weeks. The Rank then having failed to procure the invention and manufacture of sock notes as !night render forgery tfilfietilt, if not impracticable, it was intended, he was authorised to say, un his side of the House (Al 1.1 Ministers not bring forward such a measure), to submit a proposition to the Dow, call ing • upon the Bank to withdraw its one and two ponnd woes from circulation, and to issue rash in lien thereof. Upon the first motion of Mr. lIARINti bring pat, Mr. tiItENFELL rose to ask his Honourable Friend, for the satisfaction of the Donate and the Piddle, to offer some explanation as to what he had said he understood to he the intended proposition of the Chancellor of the Exchequer with respect to the Bank. Mr. RA BIN(' said his understanding was, that the Chancellor of the Exchequer intended to bring for ward, in a slay or two, a proposition for empowering the Bank to issue cads on the Ist of May next, as a part of the circulation of the cou:stry in concurrence with its notes. The several returns moved for were ordered. WEST INDIA DOCK. Mr. MAURY AT, after attimadvertingi upon these, cessive flues demanded by the West India Dock Com• pany, stated, that a numnerons and most respeitable Meeting of the Merchants anal Traders of London took place some tissue ago, to ean k ider this subject, in pur suance of public molvertisemeat. At that Meeting a Resolution was agreed to without a dis.enting voice, expressive uf the strongest disapprobation of the ex action- of this Company, anal a Petition to that ll.otse was agreed to unanimously, praying for redress.) This Petition he bad now the honour to present, which he dial with the e satisfaction, as he entirely con curred in the sentiments which it contained. The Hon. Member contrasted the conduct of the West India Does with that of the Mercantile Docks in "France and Flanders. where no exactions were tole- Wed, and concluded with expressing • her that the tomplaluts of time Petitioners wield Ise duly good , demi by the Douse. t Hie I.4.AAC COFFIN observed that there never sp. kpeirerd• for be much friendship iu trade. Each filer-': 'chant sought his men interest, orloarrrly was the Arler uf the day amongst them. awl beggar my weigh-, War the object—(A Leigh.), . • • Alter tome obeervitioaa from *r. V. 41i. Y. ROBINSON said, los was very fair trots ea. ; -4000111 the impoimmis tiviY uf that lieMc la witeltwith sr intlinr stgilande the teatleaq satyr ; • • mitambro priyate• interesib asiftrn m the Veit 4%11111106! ..~. -aid latematit of die emery. There were ether - pa s h a bile t h e West India Docks. which had flalasi gg charters; harlot a. longer period to run that the We d India. it woold have bees inexpedient, therefore, t a make any declaration of the views of Us eranseut as I. the renewal of the charter of the West India Ca m p ine until the whole question. as it respected those see eva i charters, had been taken into consideratioa. Me. BARIMI said, the rioestioa before the Ham was one which was intimately emssected with Omeg a . loamy of trade in this country. It was a fact while so merchant would deny, that the estahlisiumat of these Dock Companies. thoagh it was at first a s e t o f experiment. had proved of the greatest piddle utility, When they were first established, it was impsaal a to know how far the rates would or ovoid not afford a mt. ficient compensation for the capital employed ;W ave that it had been aecertained that the rates had r o ok exceeded such a compensation. it was certainly a s ii a , , portant question for Parliament to detend asi whether the Charters should be renewed. 1k d itog i ti the House ought not to decide hastily npoo a / m e th, of such magnitude, which involved the pri va t e 4, terests of a large body of proprietors. as well as d e general economy of trade: Ike Charter was ma t e d to the West India Company, with a restriction timid it y were never to divide more than It/ per cent. The eli. ',Was inference was, that if the rates excerdmi Stith a sem as would afford a dividend of 16 per mit. de, were bound to reduce them so no to bring the divided within the prescribed limits. They had, howeverolora no such thing. Instead of reducing the rates, they lea accussulated a suns dam less than 500,000/. It m g maliciously clear. that prudent men would ant lacer& responsibility of dividing so large a sum ameeg ek e stock-holders, and he (Mr. Baring) felt permed/114st such a division without the saaction of an dad fat. (lament would he quite illegal. Mr. F. Kt/OLSSON explained. Mr. C. LONtl . •beerved, that with regard to fitter.- teetion of the revenue, these docks had perfectly as. swered the purposes of their establishment. The revenue had also been collected at a much less expects within the docks than in any other department. After a few words from Mr. Alderman HEYUATI, the Petition was brought op. Upon the question for reading the Petition, Mr. MARRYAT said, he hoped that whsa any legislative measure came before the Howe, ievelliag the interests of the West India Dock Conroy, Parliament would take into its consideration the hem. tits which hail accrued so the country from that a. tahlishment. Mr. GORDON said, he understood that a large tin had been made to Government fur their interreatim on behalf of the proprietors. Mr. F. ROBINSON said, he had never heard deny such offer having been made. As to any Itenelkwhildi the Proprietors were themselves likely to dings hos the accuurolsted Stock, he thought this was a wry doubtful question, for he understood their affairs were in Chancery. The Petition was then read, and ordered to be printed. Mr. 111.7)113 wilted to ask the Right Hersouralle gentlemen opposite (Mr. F. Robinson), whether it pas his intention to propose any ineasnrets the Hoes* (Pith respect to bounties upon the exportrionittßegtok , mad Scotch linen? Mr. F. ROBINSON replied in a low tone of mire. We understood him to say, that the law regulating tie bounty upon the exportation of Irish linen would ad expire until July 1822. The existing swaggering would he continued with respect to Scotch Hem, as long as it was thought necessary to condo,* bounty upon the exportation of Irish linen. Mr. MAIIERLY said, that as the regulatiossa the Right Honourable Gentleansi were not eqiiirshst to as act of Parliament, he wished to know whether it was his intention to propose any legislative owner, or whether he would oppose a Bill upon this subject, a," If it were brought before the Mum ? Mr. F. RO SON replied in a tone of ye w, which wsni . :l4lt G in the allery. Mr. MA lIR fairileclared, that tvi the Ilizlit Ils noursble tientlemen had nut thought proper to give an explicit answer to his question, he should take m early opportunity of bringing this .übj , ct before to Howe. Mr. MA fIERLY wished to know fr im the lleneer• able I.lentleinan opposite, why certain a crouets. Trio . live to the Consolidated Fund of Ireland, which kr had 44444 ved for on the let of February, had not hers produced ? Mr. I.I.SIIINOTON said, that in clrigrgnearee r the way in which the Honourable Gentleman 104 shaped his motion , the Acc ounts •eil fur being e to the 25th 'January, it was improisilile that they could be transmitted from Ireland befare the Sty of March. Mr. 51A11ERI X said the answer of the 110011 r. ahle Oradell' in was very unratisfaetorv. The Act of Parliament, by which it was provided that the *C . counts of the Consolidated Fund should be trehiallt ed ALafure tho fedi February had him ern- pletely evaded. Mr. LUSHINOTON said, there w.. 01.1 bays tee* no difficulty if the Ifonottrable liertleman harl slue Ibis motion no as to limit the period of the returns to to the sth JAnnarr. Mr. !IV am moils! for returns of the expenditure in eurred by the Bridal' Koverntwnt at Malta,Manr‘ lion, t7eoson, the Cape of Good Hope. Otgor s '• and Ilerbire ; also for :s eeonnts of rsr)uni " ffa charged to the At: cuu n t of the Arn3y Estintates..-ki• . ..... tiered. • 'I he Report . of the Committee upon the Corn AO' rate Arts `wag brundlit up, the sr%Tral RMISNeIe c . were agreed to. awl a Bill fonad e.l u p on thew oxeOli to be brought in. • Thr.Tratospeirtatinn of li:renders Bill w as t 4 •• i . .• itt. and the •Iteporrordered to ha reeeired ...The ether Vedette of the Dry we re then disissleil 4. , r aid the. !goose adjou roof. ----- iiiii wr litroitrrx . Ps n. I Z. —Some n recited wine b h e '''' berm *lrby* up nn thin twee, very iderior Fr 4,11 rid's! 14pitniab.. Night logshend, Late been 'Kerr, .q saml rektrehr the preventivo %we. . - IrAlklarliras,. V-s. fit.. The Gond Intent, r,nk (MN 144/93111'10/ 1/WWWWWffe. With hemp:digest fire Mb 146wMato4lkods 1 . 60 34Wlibiy, lino! .w .• pit on 11w# " !**111411104. I'bri cargo A nd wait'. ire nisteinei 4414 • •— . • . . • • • - . . .... . -- • • . .... .•.- . , Tit?. . TA- AN. . . maierf — r re- . . Atritiol Gr so t r . Olre d thenirt g oill i a!;. * T el hfs eloos f se ti "*lll. su r rfloonlk 414 4""161" 1 14_,11" 11 t....mittesl it in the present Bill. The only Inter ..1 4 1.1.4.41 twerriOre __. ..•.. ..f .I.lithinr 14r - w .-.• '-',.. ‘. rail f Pg*lp„ , , L:ok,. t 0...- 1,. Tolima ONE V gfi .i 1 via se . Amoy in the 111 the Bu ink their sloe oe 1 by ens aa vatita 'Me Wive t 4 iltat Bit previa. arrived ;sources la salmi -mauls ..whe es awl en Aloe t i of his Is nigt - 4 r if I