The Statesman. — London, England, 1819-12-08 00:00:00

THE STATESMAN. •coeld anis!, bite es to the restrictions containeed in people should go 'named en those Meetings; yet the the. Hill open the slab' of petioalog. escept it wets Lottl Liestetiant - nray go armed. The Noble Lord made impede." on those Magistrates to call meetings was mistaken when he said the object of the preterit whenever worsened. Unless such a necessity of 1111 was to secure the *modemce of some peblic as. complyisig •ith • peblic requisition for a Meeting to 'brolly. The House saw told that the present was a take the public grievances into cousideratioN, formed . moo nightly measure. If so, he was astosished it a part of 'be Bin, it rroeld be • farce to seppose that 'should be limited to so short a period as be years.— soy Meeting hosing for it. motive the ineulpstion of ' Ile would sippers th e aseu g an e e r. il eus of Goventeeet, ever wound or could Lord BINNING said, the Hon. and Giggled take ;dere. Gentleman who had jest sat down seemed to think, Lord COMPTON woe desire." of proposing an because seeps householders were eullieleist to call a asuendment is unison with the spirit of the Bill. Ile parish meeting, that twenty freeholders were ses. should propose that it wise Os 'solid for Snr or be dein to call a reeety Bootleg. Bet a differeoce conk, hrs.* no objections to Intend the number to 30, wood be fend i s t h e armors o f the mains , I the freeholders, pro ed each of 10th. a year, to sell a householders weeld be inhabitants of the parish, bet CiAnty Meeting, epos, se appeal to them frost the the fretholdmeny set be lehabitaets of the county. *miss toles. Ile believed that in mime counties twenty etee pos. %it. MAXWELL proposes; that he the part of the sessing the property required by the amendment may Um that related to icoolasitt,aftes the word stewartry, h e f ien d to cal l a meting, g of which set tae "tea time should be inserted 'be word+, or 10 sees entitled informed man would be fogad to approve. If such eie he Commiesieners of Soppy. en olnondififer were 'greed to, It would entirely de. • Lord CAqTLEREAGH had a deckled objectiou "troy the princ i ple oo which the Bill was coaoded.— trushe assemdmeet of the Noble Lord, as also I. ( near, hear!) —He wield feel it his duty to resist doss "Libya's''. Gsmtleonins •$ they went to •Se l4 the amendment, and eine with the remark of the be spit/ al thirproposition. The Privies° "Sent o 1! lion. Member for Leicester (Mansfield), that the .evits Rb. Iseilsolden to such Meeting would be no ! preset,' measure was c.lcalated to protect the liber medmisitee mampared with that of the Lord Lieutenant . t i„ of the people. Or Jzatiseevbesser in coiling the Meeting these Ma. Lord EIIItINGTON said, he believed so clam of It slossoossiso4Oltdffoll thelosilso• to attend the Mitt' his Majesty's 'objects were more attached to the snag, slidoelipmeree, so tendency or disposition to Constitutive thin the Yeomanry of 1001. a pit.— lookiletsociooOrtittliort a cold escape observation, or He did ant think any danger could arise from per- Dot be mos Ity a timely inter/lettuce. It was not ins. milting twenty men of that deseriptiee 'scan a meet. pesilbleriMteheeri.mleho take place, wider the sue• lag. H. would vete for the amendment. moo oST-sholld 1111O1Seatidders, as soormosol Coon', Lord CASTLEREAGII said, this Bill was set Meeting atehistrofy .outset that the most rinequiro. Intended to extend to any meetings but those held cal 161111141 . 11 1 sloPtolos of 1111411 n el o r ev en set *idolise, and not is meetiags held in Terre Halls tit Alton sets knees, to eaist in that very county. or in doors Mr. J. 11i1041rANT eopporied the amerdment of Mr.nosWELLlsere proposed some verbal awed his How. Friend at some length. went with respect to Scotland. Lord NOUSSANBY considered the amendment Sir It. HERON said, he keew one insteps. of a .I"'"Prisid mosillkoisterisli , elect the PrioMP le if the Sheriff being hired by the Crowo.—(Cries of name, whole measurer, Gerd reed.' it abortive; he,ilhoreforet same !)—Hs would not name the person who was kit himself called os to give as original diet* his hired, bet he would name the Gentleman irks oa t utmost support. applied to and refused such an Dice. 'The Geode. The LORD ADVOCATE of SCOTLAND felt one was Mr. Cetera', el the comity of Lincoln. it his del to slate. In defuses of the Sheriff' Der" , Annan. MEM HER sorter the goners (shots name that they were Megisttates net removable at the plea. we could not learn) said, Mr. Calcraft did serve as /WO of the Crass. The Magistracy throughout Sheaff for the county of lincolo. Scotland, he is nista safely afirm, wets persona gone- Sir R. HERON wield admit the troth of the sally of the hi l th t respectability, and the Sheriffs How. Member's observation, but the application was ueifot oily taken from that profession of which be was made to Mr. Calcraft misty years ego, suit he did set a member, 'wee as Sheriff until last year. Mr. MANSFIELD supported the necessity of lie' Mr. B. BATIIURST said, that three names were Wiling the amendment, if the House ever hoped to presented to the Privy Cosecil, as proper parson , to give efficacy to the Bill. The object of the Bill was serve the *ice of Sheriff, one of whom was chosen : approved, end its shuts tent considered of the most bet if the persons so named could gives 'efficient es• vital tog...titmice by all the well.disposed,the indestri. cuss for set straw., the Crown had not the power of oesol..reopectable,sodloyaLthi nastiest the kingdom. „ s k id anot h er . llecueld trot ...either why all onto* aid hossornable Mr. BRO(iDEN.—The Right lion. Gentleman (trellis* 'bead coscentrate itself only is possum hew. did not soy who was the pets*. to judge of the ea ing loul. per annum. Ile did not duubt that persons cow o ff„ o d, of that estimate might be induced to sig.. requisition 1 M r. MARTIN of Galway) said, if the Reese for very improper PorPosis sea objects. Nor slid hi agreed to the amendment he would apply for leave to think it et all enikely there were as malty virteees retort' to Ireland.--[A targh.]-11a thought the frieitelems d lO . &soul isenbads, ea there were sees. of a cottony would be better known is small of luol. I meetings then le meetings se large as to render it is. Lord ALT lIORP opposed the Oil s eed 'lmported : possible for any man addressing them is he heard by the amendment, a. likely to produce wee small' h i lt th „,„ l i nc . Ile objet red to the amendment, check spun any ',binary proceedings of Givers- 1 beevese he thoeght 10 )eomeis of 1001. a year each, mew, sinsold his Majesty's Moisten J 0 1014404 0! me, in the country parts of Englsad be indocod hav• reenters@ to such measures. tursregh fear to sign a reqeisitien for • meeting. The A YroBsEY•GENEItAL had, he believed, Sir C. MONCK did not see any dagger was to be some tole, ibly perfect ides of what had been for. apprehended from permitting 20 freeholders of lout merly the idea of a lintel Meeting; hot that a Meet. a year to call • meeting. If the object of the Noble ing should be denominated legal, which in despite of Lord be to regulate nut 'oppress peblic metier, he the Shooed' might collect together the populates of a ought to say what property the people should possess whole county, be it ever so esteesive, was the growth who might be entitled to call meetings. of later days, although he would by es means pledge Lord COMPTON (as sit understood him) served himself to say that such • Meeting wee ill e g al.— with the preposition of his Hon. Friend. If the No. (Ligutki•S o'l Ike OPP•silioN Be•dies.) —As f u r , ' bit Lord allowed 40 freeholders to be sellicient to oho, as be hue. any thing of Grand Jeri's, the Js. I call a meeting is other counties, he (Lord Compton) rots wet. generally Magistrates sod the Costes Rote. would have no objection that a greater number of torso, or the Sheriff' of counties. Ile belie v e d Ike i fseehoWers should be 'sleights to call a meeting in the 1 l• 11 " need not be informed of their Vaud "slims' counties of York, Lancaster, and Northumberland. bility. The letter. it 6 *s well hues. , were sot ma' Lord CAS ri.EREAG IL—There were now three mutated by the Crown, bet selected sot of a certain propos i t i o „ bifure the B oma, all o f which he be. nsosher of persons proposed for she 0111 e 1 . lie e " tiered to be perfectly untenable, and in direct app.. suited the Honourable and I.eurned Gentles's. (Mr. sition to the principle of the Bill. If the Hoes. Brougham), it bed sever brew the intention of the I stirm d " e i ther 'hey may us we ll threw tho Bill over Mimeo of the pal to eseept invidiously the pareelth i the table, and afford the Hon. Member (Mr. Martin) of Soothe ask. Ile implored the linos, to neigh well on opportunity of rotor Meg to Ireland. the salute of this amendment, which, if carried, Sir C. MONCK said, be world slot object, if the would deprive Crewman' , sod the country of these. Noble Lew „ sired pima , (plaided to call a crony of any proper and competent i,edi,kleals to Meeting to be „ mime d o f how. per year. answer for the good conslect of the Meeting thus After a few observations from Mr. P. Grant, the couveisert. Lord Adencitte of Scotland, and Lord Campton, Mr. T. F. KENNEDY thought the resent mese Lord FOLKMlONEsettlobet from the peculiar sure in a peculiar essistaer against the right of Public circumstances in which Scotland was placed with re. 141"6"14 in Sc° 11 • 11./ • In Sre 4l • ll4l there was we "pint to Pablic Olicers, this season would operate pots 05.1er ass Costus Roisterous. In the neat pieces 'overfly is that consort!. Ile had heard it said that the Lord Lieetesiant, Wiese a milisely woe, was sot an instance was never known is Scotland, wherein a • proper Porno to attend at Ceste l Y Ill ell4ll _ u __ • '' Congos*? refused to call a Meeting. Ile wished the Though the Sheath in Irosisod were eel g e r'. I ease coold be said of the public setherities in Eng les the Crown, end were in his spinier" as praise. lan d . worthy as any o th er body of woe Fe t " lee IS" Lord A. HAMILTON thought that seder the should be arson b.titreert their political sod jedicial Bill, as it stead, live Justices of the Peace miglst dads. The Co rof the comity was elected by oil s Meeting if, any steriertry et seethed. the county, and removable at pleesine. The Gee. The ATTORNEY.GENERAL said, the con. ent" bad not, he believed, by law a right to calla strati°, o f t h e A c t ern rams, so d applied to meeting of the Fieohaiders, though h. knew I t was Seethed as well as to this cottony, in the poetics's' easel for the freeholders to attend wedge celled by dam oi l e d to. the C . ils andel ono* Moos why • Pees' Mr. lIROUGIIAM believed his Right Hon. should sot he sloes to too swot each equ a lly as 4 e* Friend (lb. Attotney.Gaineral) meant that the alit! llPs'essOlo is the Converser, to whew by lbe a . s lweltell I shield 'retied to Scollsod ; to prevent ambiguity, nil a Power was gives Is call a 1410416 1* aa° t hese however, it world be desirable to introdece the word grounds he should feel it his duty to seppert the o aillireflry. asinadirent. The Lea A DVOCATF: said, he had se objection Mr. DENMAN mid, the peewit emeedmeet wily that the word shook, be admitted into the clause. Placed Euroltl Meetings 16 thollam e state as P 41614.1 1110 Hoes* divided no Mr. Stilwell's Amendment. Meetings. The Ationsey•Geeeral had said, that the AL,,, et I Noes, M I Majoni• r irhit the Aombiwat, ISt. present enteedereet was lecoweisteot with the pie. Laid commoy obi tewhis Anieodmesit, as ciple sped which the 11.11 itself was beaded. The he considered that t nced against he sense of the the us e was in Howoorable sod Loomed Gentleman had said, the some degree pronou it by jectioe of of jeet 4 lb* IMR"was to amen the attendance of Mr. Massell's Anieridesent. WOOD posed as an Ammo'. some *gel eldresify to peewee* the peace at sad Mr. Alderman pro Meetings, Mod that the edition*. of the Went newel- mem, that Wind Meetgs might be coiled either by went onelithe encase, to the enamel law, which the Alderman, or by nitre or more Counnen Coos. required the resew, of the Sheaf at Comely Meat- climes odocod f l ibe l W the er ui d. Unless could aharcldsoy lut ca were leto o jar. lip(Mi. D.) a vai led this, benne* ,by the se. tro ii is t ey tient law, the Sheriff was only supposed le pie• have soy Ward Memories at all in the city of hoodoo. side at the Coonly Court, end therefore supposed to This was iste . ly the case. Great incnorenience arose be present. The Bill did not say that the Lord I. from residers., it DftOrifnifyiumtirehto%l.disedtgliiiikohirooteiasigoot 00..1110. St.etiff. or live Megisitates should be presets. within doors, because 6.0 a t.. ore, Sl•eti.g ;it wily oothorited Ike. to ae room law g enee h for sccommodating all the ill. I.: . 4 ;.'suer.. I , es* provided by ibis WI that the habitants. Lord CASTI.EREAGII nisi, the U to. Alder.DlM thosipttetion of the lied aGirotielgua a u say. the seemed desires to intredoce specific royal/Moos foe ever) plebe, wet a freibehler, bet steadies such the City of Leaden ; be saw ne reason for so doiesg. : meatier of fruholden, would be 'silty of a shale. If there were not halls large sough le acessmodele !Ilea.", ?— [ llea!] the Word Meetings, he could recommend this to the I Mr. WV N espleined. very commedious ruse of Willis's, is bus @sigh. Tbe SOLICITORGENERAL odd, that e clause boarhood. bed bees issued for the specie! pup.. of prenot. ' Mr. Alder... WOOD had no Mistime, if there lag the authorising &Scalds lean the la which sight ar it ise from rat le the I was a clause hands:eel itting them I. ant leessce, and to w u was berets there. Rat that was not to be ',peeled. Thechsehes peados of the Bill. were lately Ain evilest Ward Mishap. sad ibis Mr. PRIMROSE said. that the Hrs. Gerstlesse Bill, he had no doubt, weeld, is many Wards, lave (Mr. W.) seemed to desire to reedit the Art men se. the effect of petting an end to he. completely. eere than even the Respite,. of It. He felt that two Mr. Alderman WA ITIIM AN Haugh, it necessary . years Imprisonment en anew of enmities a mode to press the amendment, es the pdarinie of she Bill ; leg would by as excessive pessisitehot. west "'Weedy to the suppression of all bet Perhb Mr. HONEYWOOD wished to leers whether Meetlnp. tteeellen past.; throult a s h i ed when a Meet* Mr. Alderman CURTIS dewed live clause mi. was held (such as Maidstone. le the open sheet) eenessry. The Alderman .f the Ward might be week' be guilty ef the edetittareaseera sad liable to safely trusted with respect to the allies of Meetings, the consequent ? owl there was so Ward without a plus sslicieetly Led CASTLEREAGH ...Wend that the Me. enoveniont for belch./ the.. situates woold bus a right to protect the rights tof Mr. Alder... WOOD espreseed hit determine. the penes atteadieg the Mistime. The different I dea to divide the Hasse en the gustiest, sed the rights of Mealtimes requited at no prose's should 'gallery was ordered to be cleared, whew, come there eseept those who bad thou rights. Mr. Alderman W AITIIM A N rose am i d st Iced Sir C. MONCK *lilted to know if copyhelders lades of Question, withdraw I—He beds public duty would be allowed to attend a County Meeting? to perform, and should net be pet does by clasoor. Lord CASTLEREAGH replied, as we seder. He wee toe much used to oppositios of that kind to steed, le the Sarosdy'. be deterred by it from speakiog his Natiellhile Mr. GRAHAM. es ere wen informed, Member '[hcer! and a laugh frees the Ministerial Beeches] fee Hell, mid that be was us a freesia. of that tern, —sod when she Mummy-Getters' should brim kis slid mold be. thetaterst he raddled far sttestlieg charge against him. he should be able to rove that the Meeting of hie coestiteeets after the disulfides be was as really pet dawn by demur.—(Cries .f elthe Peritoneal ? He sbi•eted abstlethlw to she tale* Order! Qaestion!)-11. was es is the habit of apt* of the Bill; bet as the Hum mos degraded treebling the Hoes* dn. or 6166 .—E/her! frees tepees it, be whited it eb.sld be mere esplicit. the Ministerial ilenclses..l-11se Bill. as it stood, Lord CASTLEREAGH, if we were mot mistaken, would have the effect of completely petting down all sold, that all meetings for Aeries would he Ward Meetings, unless the Alderesse 'gushed to call Tres the *radii* .1 the Bill. them. As there was, however, es prospect of see. Mr. BROUGHAM euteetled, That the dilialty arse, he should be sorry to pet the Hoes le the of his Reaearabie Pried, although greet, was set, trouble of dividing. however, restned. The Bill allowed the mildew The ameadmeet was oegatind whitest a divides. Member to steed; bet so penes weeld he per. Mr. Alderman WOOD said, the Livery of Loa. milted to come to an elude. to divine his use.. do. were eat at all named in the Bill. They were, does, unless be was privileged by being a freeholder therefore, included frees mettles altogether as the et Noma. Hill new steed. He coecleded by proposisg • clause Lord CASTLEREAGH 'aid, that seetlege might to iodide the Livery, and said he should divide the change in astute from what was proposed ; that eves Ikon on it. the meetings for discussing whether It wee a lee day The SOLICITOR.GENERAL said, se they met or net might end its deliberative whether the Cased. le a Hall, it was gaits eseeeessary to make any par. tads. woold Genies it. Sufi waning. were to be tinder mead°. of the Livery of Ludes. presested. Bet if they were properly carried on. After a few words from Mr. Alders.. WAITII. there siell 4 be In *Wenn to their contitiesece.— M AN, the asasedseet was segatlnd witheet a divi. Ha *sold allow that meetings after the his and the den. rehire of the writ, Auld eel be included within the Lord CASTLEREAGH proposed a. ameethunt, effects of the Bill. the object of which was, t. !dog 'Md. the provi. Mr. BROUGHAM maintained that the Singe* sloes of the Bill meetings held for Oodles, COMllaf• INS set seewered. vial, or essaufecteting porpoise. They might be Mr. J. GRANT was desirous of loarisiog, whether called ostensibly for such objects, and proceed to be she Heaton of Seethed a 'old be sodded to the sinus of • very different kind, as it happened lately saw privileges as the Copyliolders of Eaglasul, foe he Seethed, where a Myelin was called to take into firer-MU a a Mallet OWN *sold be godly of a coosidentioe the low state of workmen's wages, sad sisdemesseer othersise. the Mashie closed by cosies to Rsoletiuse he To this gantlets an sassier was gives, as we bto f f Anoint Parham's., Usiversal Serfage, is,,, le the airmative. tied Vote by Ballot. Mr. WILLIAMS asked, whether freemen le Core The amendment was agreed to. perste Towns would be allowed to mew so discuss, M. J. P. GRANT wished to knew the words of cutesy le the wish .f the Corpora ti also o ntbe , Os ceedect merits Outclass' by which the Noble (Castlereegh, proposed sad des:wits of a Candidate, sod to reeled" from the provides. of this Bill ell Meet. a their HAPrewstettsor? hogs not Reid out of doors. Lord CASTLEREAGH said, that eashieg could Lard CASTLEREAGH having reed the chose, he less a matter .r noisiety, them a Enemata of Mr. MARRYAT thought there were essay cases Weystroth. But the Bill "Fuld ors teed to suedes where • ream large easseeh for the Meetings ceeld these Ileedege, sales assembled by Pales ashes. not he found, and that .me provisiees should he rite M • made. r. WILLIAMS wished that Weymosh, as wall Lord CASTLEREAGH replied, no es could I. as the ether beresghs, should be reodeted what it more armies thee himself that such Meetings Auld eseht to le.. Ile would penis in having a clause to be held. The objection could eat apply to Gelid. that effect letrodeced ins. the Bill. hall, ankh was large tough to cassia 10,000 Strangers eels ordered• amidst great conflation, to persons. withdraw. After a considersble delay , we were a g a in 0. the chew for regulating bleeder is Isaias. Wattled. *bee we were learned that the 'mead. divided into districts brims peoposed, out had been wegatived Slims a diviaion. Sir C. MONCK remarked. Out by the statute 0. eer tetras., we foetid Lord ALTHORP ea C. 11. it bad beets greeted to pariahs when, free his kr, maid.' some (Awnings. whi e h. fres the the member if poor, they coed sot be coneeniestly campfuloo, we could sot distinguish. We ender. 'opposed collectively, they might he divided isle steed him to allude to 'satirise the Bill local la districts ; yet although I. meow places they had bee. some sees. subdivided, they enjoyed she debt of assembling at Lord CASTLEREAGH slid, as far as wo costa a public meeting ; sod surely they ugh , not to be collect, that the most important point of the Bill as s dispossessed. Bat by this Bill the peep. wield be to allow the Msgistrates to pretest the asaes drive. to associate parishes to Ada. that, of which Wog impropetly. they would Ise thereby deprived. Lased CASTLEREAGH eopsidered, that Publics Lord CASTLEREAGH replied, that he latmeded Meetings should be so ds-led with teepee sod to introduces chess to most the objectless of the propriety self they were s e midd by a Magistrate. Hon. Member. Mr. WM. SMITH en afraid this clause would An smeadmeat ree she clause was moved by far C. entrep the unwary and include strangers, who only MONCK, as was soother by Lord COMPTON, a shaded by chisel° see what was tomalley, lunati onlag forward at but both we.. nerstlved without a divide.. piddle Meeting, •ithost any tomal lard CASTLEREAGH proposed, that to qualify •Italsesteer. persons, bring nee.resideets, to ahead public Mr. MARRYAT said, while Costs of bilks meetings. they should possess freehold property to W.llll epee to strangers. sad eve. the gallery of the the emus of 801. per SMISSO within Ike psi* in Ham of 01161 while parishes wen sub disided which the meeting was to be bold. He sheeght it with itedlees, lase s; pposed to him that oksetstert set of light its fixing the amuse et 501. that such persona twisty who atteeded tech places were wend, mere should be well knows, that the lehebitaa's might be from motives of swishy thee say improper potpie*. wend from adieu, by takieg hats custody, as Those who attended such Nutley vast' nil Stu strangers. thou who were ant geslilled to attend. (loss were bet very few ; sa d . h he lipoid guard Sir R. FERGUSSON said, that he could set but against danger sod disaffectien, he weeld sedestern maks an observation or two, on se ...rhea made set to shouts for ever the affections of the people. by the Noble Lord, that at a Manias of manefsc- Mr. ROBINSON said, unless pa ish Meetly. the eases of peruse h i rers held in the camel of Fife. the avowed object wen revealed from &heeding r lof which was respecting tisk wages, that politic, whole object of the Bill would be destroyed. These lase introdoevel. sod that the wages had bees for. who admitted the priaciplo of the Bill mild set pee goatee. That Meeting had bees exaggerated its nem- siblv object to the class under diseases.. ben, sad he was couldent net more than 450 per. The Hos. Mr. PRIMROSE begged to ermied tie sows had assembled ; the people ware set of a re. House, that eves dodos the passim( of the Riot Act, ettletionasy spirit. although they might have adopted ao such power as that new proposed I. this Bill lad epee of the foolish andante! Major Cartwright. It heea contemplated. No parties sheald be placed es. wee dee to the usansfactereas of that plenty to ay. der such cousgeseces. Hs coosidered tIP Hose that although at meeting,a small basil of pima. had and the Coessletes to be proceeding 'Whet MM.. matched into a populous use with legs aged musk, try coasirlentioe, or that time small, devoted to yet no disotder *neared. Ceder the heaviest di.. the commonest Tat Bill. If tbe Bill is its WOK hoses they had preserved the stand pelisse"; end rested with die Goveroseet, it wield have petard nee at the pews mooed so low were their wages, in its original prevision, were sad twist'pl as th q that after working IS hours is the day, they were were, and planed du with the asentlea, t wash, not able to fern more than Ss. 6d. per week. the beeefit of the people. The liberties of the people A cooversation of coaskkrable !eolith took place.s wen altogether imaged by these Bills, sod 'hens m the else. which erased the pettishness to be is- i these Ins itstrodetwd, making it a ettadeellew ef Acted on pusses studs( meetings coatrary to the umiak or perform ea act mora lly d's. The Unseat. it true Act. should have his Nude. or &probe Sass Mr. WYNN, es we enderehrod hies, was Buse would affect any useably aggregated for those SMY to permiese hourbolders to stead at the meeting purposes for which they might ban bona jirk *e t of huh°, . .• I together. There were already realties monk i" Lord A 1.1:10ItC eiesed to ask, .`ether it was the 13111 wittiest gitiog to the lightest. any I. re CI I Zl= ll esetd trial Act I qurt+ the II Ili et __ - Ni eII row Gs slog they to bq •n bi In al