The Statesman. — London, England, 1823-05-23 00:00:00

The Standing Order was then referred to a Committee who were appointed for the purpose of its consideration. SWITZERLAND. Mr. BROUGHAM roc. on seeing the Right Hon. Secretary for Foreign Affairs in his place, to ask a qiiestion relative to some intelligence which be had re. ceived,•beteiribilithhif %MC it the' advaitde of 'that systein which attierideti;Milifict, to destroy the Libor ift s.stt, et eePtate.ixFarraraz..lit...alluded tolite-aPpli catiosof the sv . stcro Of ,the Holy Allies to Switzerland, notir i ftbitibilliig'ittlie . elfell af r the 'Swiss Cantons to 4 oneilittt9lM-tt e3i4ed favor y.' refesing•an asylnm te• the Neapiiiiiiil'alidgrantp; WISO songlit . for protection n ilft" them. Ifepliked .t 0 eatitatarta Ii all or any part of wheelie hallo alai Wait Iliaided in (Pc', or if tbe'lliV., tish'Cabineekit reettivid tey'official Inforniatinn Millie' sableer. lie,npderstouil that apoominnication.hail,beei notch •. liithi lip4ilaWdoferintient to one or more of tiic i l.M'tai UatitOtla. catlint on them to make •cefialts ch its let 'in •theil Coniti tlitiow---th at the protection clan Archduke of,Anatria was offered fortheir acceptance,' if not ciimin . ...d . dedl . aid that itinitria, carrYlntr. its' kind car. from the temporal to the spiritual interest of the pitipdteil several' changes :in . the.. Cantons with regard ,to the aupointigent, of Bishops- - in. Protestant t.'ahlees.notithiating.Proteitant fiiiliops. and in Catho. Etc.tinttitts;, Catbatc Bishitpe. • He underitood. further that the cessihn of Geneva' lb thelting* of Sinfinia Wai l thentiooed. It was stated, alon e , that this. last propos'. Liao, or all thercomatenieation; :lealieboAfted to the French GOvartiment, to ascertain If It 'weitioassiinant to . the interests or the wishei hf I N* , liiiitillaiettlihFctt . was returned was to the effek that the plotioied ch - anges were spite consonant to the lutenist' sod , *Mei of Fi . ances and much More 40 dial sitowlift the Siiiiia Cantons to heeiaut a form fot Jobbloisni. Hi niadfi. stood that a qbeslort shifter to tlikt which •he' naiii . ack 41, was inentiOnedir et.idiSir - plat", and with this ' addition, that a treat! Will iPOISIO of by which - Mettle r ii perniitted by the HolfattlltrOe to take willibify poi- . erasion of Switrerland. ' If Whitt. Lesseeeer, ley' refelt veer to that extensimipf the posoikr, the Hies* Would see that theleast part oi'tbe runtime wet lif All •too ',lnch : that it was one deeply aliktinitlietkiiialter of the Allies, end the libertiei of Buraape, ade :Ile Wills bore the proinise of bitter finits to this couti4. - - • Air. Secretary CA•NNINti 'rep** that 'Webb :idle part of whit the Han. Gehilinteti bad • meritirmagaeg 1 toe 'misrlt, Ow least pal*. Olt More 'than birklit..e.) knew or heard any thing of, GREEK fiLoC%tii - Mr. HUME said that he anal " ' ' that, the Bri. tisrh Crolzers in the' Medlterepoona• bad not rsopostil this rights of the Greek blottstade of the Turkish poilt::: ()of of them had compelled a Week ship to give upiiii_! Ebrrliah vessel taken in the very set of carrying imolai,' to•Torkish vessels In a spite of btoclitkle: Its wiiltadal therefore.,,to salt the Right Hon. Oesitieman, whether the Beitiali'Goreentnent ha dives ottlein to havv•the tivetk Mocks rie * riiifief Oa is cases iberbo'ionatfide blockade did exist, in the seiie *diet OS - the Turkish blockade was reeported? . ~. . Mr. CANNTNO' all it was true' that one Me bad come to his knowlege where the blockade wi violattel bt s a Britith cruiser , bet that order s had been since keen on the 'objets, eml to nitre! with 'Anil Striet• sees the Greek and Tottieb I,ll~e. ' - If.AST lt4bt/OHIPIAIe '• "' • • Itfr J. I,eoSg ELIA iiterented a potidot! fi bii'stret‘,, rat Planter's and OsintrX.of West India propeity aditiet titte.peal sif the Odes oil' East Ode sugar. He alit* peesented a petition to the seine effec t frotWthe nissuffte.. turers of refined su gar and the traders in sogir in the parX of London. ' Mr. WIORAM presented a petition froth ***Edit Ifidia'Compand, t•taying an eqbalization of the ditties I on. East and West India Sugar. cad further' praying piermisslon to be beard by (leanest at the bar of the Ifouse in support of their petition. Mr. ASTEL.L se pported the prayer of the petition:. ' Mr. WHITMORE presented a petitio:i from the Eiiropean and Asiatic merchants residents of Oilman, praying fovea equalization of . the Sugar duties.— He said it was the first petitiOn of the kind ever pre sentej. Oil. MONEY supported the' tin y+. : • !kir. T. WILSON contended: that the . ,ilayin of the West India colonies were much *stronger than those** . vauceil bY the petitioners. , • Mr. Win RA NI 'objected to sof anticipation of the dee: bate to whicii the House would be open in another path Of tbe evening. Mr. Bilitliirsaid a few wordi, which were I' Able in the gallery. The petition was then laid on the table and ordered to be printed. CHIEF BARON O'GRADY. . Mr. RICE said he took that opportunity. to *mention, nevillingly to menden, his intention of moving the Nellie on the 27th of the mouth, that the Chief Baron. ef Ireland be ordered to attend the House. He named Biat day as the most convenient, hat if there appeared deft inconvenience likely to arise from that arrangement, he *odd be glad to appoint another. '..Not,lce was, received for the 27th. , • • INQUIRY zpno.THt CONDUCT OF TILE SHERIFF OF PLIIIILIN.' sir R. HERON said that it was important for the /louse to be made aequainted with the actual state of the inquiry into the .conduct of the Sheriff of Dublin.— There were in London at least 50 witnesses waiting for • etfamiiiation at a great expense to the public. and with no doubt great inconvenience to many of them. The evidence GT some was not likely to produce much public advaniage, and perhaps would be not asked a single 4 oi,,n. Every one must have observed how very Ole the examination had latterly' gone, and what the information was obtained from the concluding part t t e of the evidence. He considered that some day should be appointed beyond which the House would not proceed any further in the husiness.• Either that should be (Mite, or the inquiry be at once given up, to which he had si!, objection. ,• Cofoncl BARRY said, that when the Hon. Baronet spoke of no inforination being obtained by the late ease hd nations, he overlooked a fact which had-been elicited, ol 07 kreatest intprirl4nce, in his opinion. As he had 4 Idertaken the defence of the Sheriff, be should, in fairness to him, carry on his defence to a conclusion, and lie shook! be sorry that the inquiry should terminate Un til full justice was.at aired. . Sir ft. HERON explained , and proposed Monday next is a proper day to resume the inquiry. Mr. AnEßcitom BY raid that the House was placed in a very inconvenient situation. .Many. Members had reason to' tOmplain of -the cope beings of their corn- RV whit thgovielles of krt. It was thadee- Thj i sgitaltt 'first. Oat. tlieltiirtirya . 'proceed with vigour, sidi al pbbno.besiitess tire' wi4 ;. it had slues hem id-. .faulted to lan*nivh. He hegira that it - tvouLl. nat.bir *lk e a to die i nktnra) dentb,. btu that who* sikeitistis' • ele t t , dioiiiittsitnide. to briitit Ice toorlusion. a . • • ..tittAltAft644 stsme dik outfit .be Asa* Alitioquiel )rity reetTgbla and., test it tyantld sitentinme 11Q_'1.1oragiialitin,.titillArt 'alive coisinileretk ishiiies! 111‘Krelintt. - . . . • . -- :.. .;. .7,.... r .., , , , Nolonvl BAtilt i f. ) eifici tint. wield not ails* 10 •Ow abrupt reredoettion of 't Mt?. He ise-thew ' Ifghdy : tO ge on, and the irk' . 111 artheifirimet ' . tliktmomenl. - _,.,. ' ...., %":i '• 7 ,' •.. , 11:i., . • 31i,. CALCRAPT eifelfeetbst • *dot - Gallent'ilhltseel • Atiold indite Ole Otlitof.the fiat.:.- • • ... .: • • 01.. BAIRN' lit that he beveee.atiewd titeOsati—ni ef e (*thief thetiiiiiittrayistienVOTOtilittst/y , It whe I tatelairi ewe of those iiito is tititti. the inquiry to do • the inquiry he resumed. . ." - . • A new Writ was ordered for the Borough 'of Bossineyi in *renew of-the Hoar. Mr. Ward (now Loral Dudley a ndw asT o gni n e d to the Upper it'l.". PAY • , . ... lIALF IN I Et.AN/1. EfineTal OASCOYNE, actordthirt6 notice, called tbi attention of the House to thariidthin, "That siO Alt; dress be presented to his Majosty,:.te direct that tins Warrant of the fth 'of March last be reconsidered, and theftbousymenti:to balf-pay . offie4l in Ireland be• paid in Bridal! currency." It was theft linjiiiit to r out din: tinciionsin the rewards of men whose . serviees'setins ( threr stmt; whin - two men bad served their connlif eilliii,le r wit most unfair that one_sholild be paiddlifetenttyf* the other, because he happene d to,,resitlein frelaig..ei (Hear.). Thistnetion Shea, was put forward as nrciages of right and not as a favour.. There was no distioction made in thecase of any et her country in the wend; het the officer was punished for baginfirdiedbierrsidince in Ire land alone. He would ask, wail tin/ serviee-nite purcha sed more cheiPly, - 0) rish *rage veined Il l ss highly than any 'othet ? Mid yet the whets!' amount . of. Ail made by this unjust arrangement; wth only . 7,8001: • 'the present Cloverninint bad already given n p hind of thousands of tax s, to encourage * people to reside : la. 'lreland. This class of men slituild, tether ( .004: bounties for Irving there, for the were proper pun lir* for the upright slid impartial Magistrates, nide* - me .much wanted in Oast innately. , If this principle was to be adopted, let it be Media Seotlaed; Devoeshire, aid , shy town in iliplaad. Ooverninent would tbeo hare ft} pay the officer in proportlos to the pricer of onset lio s where we happened to 11 , 0. The" princip l e me • unjust, aid might therefore to be . . . . Thrunjust,e Hon. frftifilieV Concluded by :tiering " an AIR", to the King, that the watiant of the 6th of hlatethit'' ' si c. altered, and the piyamet abaft' pat oteere ofd{' oft roe's' and Peasiottens , be 'continued to' ill' 4 - 4 glish currency as heretofore:" . Lord PALM HRSTON oppoeiri dte motion,'" * ground that it won id be unfair to mske any alliratitikii the mode of. paying of f icers on. helf-pay, whit)" .so riot eirteeded to the whole service. It was also object ionable as leading to en increase of namely. The se. flagman which the motion meant to chpoge was Rot , en innovation, for all the Army establishment, ip lie..! -lend had been paid hitherto in trisb.Currency, and roily, tote of money for that service bad boon made in • diet. cartons+. Wherever an officer's regiment happellldlta be, when he was put open hairpin Ise was *Usti tbriv currency of that country during his liiii. ltiroild be certainly desirable to equalise the curiendei of gig stir.; •vice of loth 'countries but that qurstldn 'could' net be' considered abstractedly. If the printiples *lib sppflixt , to half-pay officers, it ought to be extended to Gi' elide service. The increase of expense, if the full pay of, the Irish Army was paid in English currency would, be 127,0001. and of the whole army establishment 237,000. The Itrini4thfrifore, could n,.t tete one step without going the whole way. He (Lord P.) however, would modify the application of the principle so far, as to con tinue to pay officers who had been on the English estah lisbrirmit,' but who west to reside in Ireland, In the English • ctirrency. Farther he could not go, and he Should thereforeoppose the motion. Sir J. iVelt Pot?, Sir H. VIT/AN, Mr. HI'TeRIN., soar, and bfr. (RATTAN, spoke in support of the Mo tion. . Aker a few words from Sir Cnassms Loss Siderite. Itet e ll.ttrtsa,: 'General GASCOYNE intimated that fin . isteifsferiti- Krim the motion. 1 Motion withdrawn. . - Mr. PLUalltißß presented a petition frees tbelslnda of Nevis 'rand the 4i per Cent. Daties.—Leld on the' table. EAST' _AND %VEST INDIA SUGAR, Mr. W. urmTstottE rose, in pursuance of notice to.' move for a Committee to inquire into the dude, payable on East and West India Sugar. He regretted aatilie important subject had not fallen into snore Competent hands. He implored the deep attention of the House, which the subject was so eminently entitled to. With a *Jew to simplify the question, he should consider it un der three distinct heads. First, with reference to the in.. .terest of th e consumer in England; tdly,witb reference to I 'tlie interests of the Government of I ndia ;and, lastly, with ireference to the interest of the West India Colonies. As to the first, he was sure it was not now necessary to show that it would he for the benefit of the consumers that their market should be open to liberal competition. He was not aware that any ground of exception could be found in this case. • The House was aware, that there was an extra date of ten shillings on one soil, and fifteen Shillings on another description of East India sugar, ' over and above that on the . West Indian article. 'l'be Holt. Member then entered into a short calculation to sbow that the monopoly of the market by the West In dian planters cost the consumers in this country no less than two millions a-year sterling. The Hon. Member then proceeded to the discussion of another branch of the subject, namely, how for the interests of the Govern ment in India was affected? India had undergone seve-' rah revolutions. It was conquered by various countries, and notoitstaoditig that various dynasties bed been im posed upon it, it underwent no change so striking or im portant as that which has occurred since the opening of the trade with that country. The consequence of this was, a market for our manufacturers beyond our most sanguine expectations, particularly the woollen and cot ton manufacture. For the year 1815; the amount of woollens ex. ported to India, was X;084,340 And for 1822 But the most remarkable of all was, the increase of cot ton manufacture. In 1815, the quantity exported to India amonst ell to .. 109,4135 And in 182°. Such an increase was a proof of the great advantages de rived to this country from an open trade with India. Of all the revolutions which that country underwent, -this car tainly was the greatest, wh..ther considered in reference to the immense distance, the manners and customs bf the natives, or the low price of labour in that country. It was one of the most remirkahle instances oldie effects-of the steam engine and machinery, that the raw material was:brought from India, manufactured in England, sent oat again to India, and sold there at a cheaper rate than the natives could make It. There was nothing like this to be found In the history of trade : it was true that we have ror nisdy mipplied the Netherlands and -America with woollen .eleths, eta ebrapeerste than they could prodseetheßunder similar circumstances ; hut !list we Should h.fre thine so in India, where the price of labour was so extrea.pjyp4, was ove mom extrtordintry triumph of skill andindustry ever pre sented to human knowledge. Hut at the tlmfrvie weni'ettol ling our own industry, we Mused look to its effects iniedie. li destroyed tie native manufacture in all the it Presi dencies' and annihilated a trade which existed from theear 'llifstlyeriod of the history of /odic Tali. might he „made 8 :blotting or a curse to that country--.-a blaming Kit Ipergsso use employment of the natives, end gave them a alit for the peoilimilos of thuta l titicles witich.woulii,be nneresras con. I ,ouniest.in this ctituteP,-014.et COrs• if it tieSireist4Xte trade; sod. hen we reruitfd to If ste what It. indUitri yodld ItiM., *this T rera: th e effects Of the op,iningin'elm* with filth*, • te er 'war a treater atrocity comMitted type'seery Orsini.— 4 we Imeginethat ire could ptersoe ear oats foistrasie With #puility, al the expense of India? I fwe wisher tisloring t . ‘ it'd Iff the cubiti ly 8 thl x..* etaditt pi e ea. trolled; which, its mai reispects. bare-Muth et t eimiggia gi il, tusilk, Balton-OM Jheteeiecn way, OW: "17aZ i ses.sumed In Ireland, ind we took none- Of the p oft . , • _,. There were even'a statnte i wmch . cattle from Ireland . to England a ins the result or these restrictiona.- _. period, Ireland. armed. asserted IMEtitill. , -.„,...- Vd.Witt _tke bayonet demanded and obtained a free trade ~ 'Whitt cal - once refused tojestlee, wee afterwards coot:re...lt te face.. Could we pursue the same conduct in India with n - different result. Such coniunt was etinatateninelther with the loot-est.-or the honour of England. Upon what did we ~depend. fur the security of our possessions lii India ? Wan it, no undo Sepoy arms 1 Was it not upon native teling. and' Indian - bayonets? lirhich, if once turned squint* us; our Empire in India would not lists day. It would pe v!sit,'ablff=;- ' • - ' • • " - Etter-11W lairfte'ess fal.rle of a Onion, '• • ~. , . Peeve tote wreck behind." • • , '((while tbeferliiigii of the natives were l liettlie to Elie liMdie, second Morpoider shmild, like thi 6,1, .after the col ,. , • nest of aiether 'Darius, plant kii'letlont open the I lent of the. flitdasties and flangei.. • wonid tlieg not idea y rei,te.on.tbeopportoiniry to *hike off t4i peesent: i 1 4011/31 . He had tiow, he hoped, succeedellin previa/ that the present system war equally is opposition to the, In terestwand justice of England. Hai :wookl now end's veitv-tO show the groat injury whish . thiesonottry. wool sustnin from a lots of ,its tra.le with ladle. . That trade wittliighly ratifier in ati.foreign colt/M . ll4i' pothers by `them it was ortirrited; but by us it 'was' certainly ender , /ital. Never a ny any trade so hverlobked In iii its re oulta as the te a pit h India. There Was go. ti lit Ow bolted at the siteatioa of this ermateYs who did aakad!. 'Willie neteenlidt eVepholding trade to the iitqwwit eg, tent:- and yethe knee no plaice, thoogh•nome more meg, keret, is which trade was more likely to be . attended with great artbmieficialadvontiget to this centerrthie I with - India.. . ecniiii(oe ateignable limit costal buisod im egtenkin s tleit, ireghlst,„ If .we only ibilseitted to tato ttilliel a•lielitit feint 4/43 - ,,,41th which thedf. cont.' : Intnisit ste.7- It . woo ;rise then tlist „I ndia *offeiedlee - 110 tilrAtigtosigteil o swieuetiltikel errideit, ea ente iaaid iarttlifii/i ,traly_th rurpemt width lwitment to propene.,. If Way 41110,1•30 get 1 * rho malt profiteer.° our suanufaitueeni-oad the greet •ntokaohnt for theemployment of rapitel in mir countries,, rigid be shot oat a trade so advent 'Kerins as thAt with tpdie. It was only "hit giving every facility to the &ye- toirement of . trade ro Intli k tbat We couli ever be emend'. to our pries* difficulties. The consequence of the . present system was, that we had no adtinote retort); float India for the articles we exported. Ile !Quid notl 1 new stop to inquire. into the pernicious results of draw ,ieglallton frogs India, further than to observe,, that if ikes were. brought front a conntry where it was not 1 Oared, the quantity then would be proportionably di,. . finished. He svonki now protecd to consider the result 'M - it regarded the West Indies; and th.tret argasnent he 1 ,bad to contend with here, was that the West Indlins had -mo tight to the exclusive trade, amounting to a charter. fint it was in vain tolook.fos inch erighti* because he , fotind the price of East India Sugar constantly varying, sometimes more,. and sometime* less. Preto 1.137 to (8113 it was subject to so ad ralorein diety.whicit'was comider eid below the duty paid by the West Indies. In lega it as completely altered, and again sohjeet to a *bits of Vs. But there wee no regular protecting'•dnly imposed in favour of West India Sugar tilt 1313, when a ditty of *Os. was Imposed, without sufficiently considering its ne cessity, or exciting that discussisin in Parliament which its importance merited. Hut the West Indians were not satisfied with a duty of 10s. and an additional ditty of ss: was afterwards added. It might be then pleaded in favour of this ditty, that the colonial system was iq its fall vigour, hut as it was since altered, the claim which might then he considered fair and just no longer existed. Bit efts supposing the exiSterice of a charter —would ft constitute a right against an extension of trade ? He attain referred to Ireland, to show that the agrieulturisti of tegland would on the same grottndi have had a right toprevent the passing of the Hill of 18416, and guard against the competition of Irish produce in the English market. He did now complain that such an Act passed. On the contrary, he fully participated in the feelings of the agriculturists of England, who much to their honour. did not oppose that Rill. Therefore, supposing even that the charm, did etist, there was a case exactly in point sashimi the continuance of its privileges.. It was said, that the time was adverse to the coasideration of this quastina, as the West India Owners were now involved in great diffi culties. This he admitted, but his objeet was only to in quire into the ceases of those difficulties, certainly not wish calew to bring East and West India Sugar into competition, • Ile thought there was only one mode of relieving the West India planters, and that was by a gerieral change in toe sys tma. As long es slavery existed to its present state, anti as long as an overcharge continued on freight, so long would- Slam distresses continue. lie would not have said that as talteratjon is the system was necessary, without knowing. that it was possible. It was impossible that tiny country cultivated only Sy slaves •coule compete with those countries which were cultivated by freemen.„ To allow the increased advantages of abolishing slavery, be need only re fer to an ancient as welt ail modern times : to Poland, to, Russia, and South America. There was not a political eco nomist or a statist who did not hold the same opinion. Mr.' Cux, in his work on Poland. stated as a proof of the advan tage of having the land cultivated by freemen, that e Po lender named Sobieski, who had enfranchised seven districts. foetid Mt produce of the soil treated. /dr.. Steele also a planter in Barbadoes, derived equal advantages from a simi ' tar course. it cmld not be otherwise, for the cause of hu manity sad interest were got divergent from, but converg ent to the-same point. He would not compromise the ques tion upon the understanding that Government would 'leech half way, because it generally Was the fate of such questions to fall into complete oblivion. Unless the Committee were granted hie, he would feel it his duty to divide the House. He trusted he had now stated enough to induce the ilouse to go into en inquiry. Ile did not call for any alteration lu the present system. He only called fora Committee to Inquire if an alteration could he effected without detriment to any party. Justice to India demanded this concession. Its re fusel would be the continuance of an act of atrocity, nut only most unjust, mr.- - t unfeeling, and unfair, but full of dan ger to the country. • The. Hon. Member concluded by mov ing for a Select Committee, to inquire into the duties payable' on East and West India sugar. Mr. C. It. ELMS•gald that, if ever there war a ques-, lion unfit for inquiry, it was the present. It was not a question of detail, requiring local information, or th e examination of nitnessess skilled in the manufacture of sagar., It was a qtestion of high State policy, and in volving gnat interest:. The question was, whether they 'wtilld sacrifice their West India Colonies to encourage some private speculati sus in trade. Among the area ments used io soppott of this measure, there was one 'class which he would notice, and Ise entered his protest : against its application in 'the present instance. It was that . class of argument which supported the doctrine of an unrestricted and unlimited commerce. Ile slid not generally deprecate the argument, but he pro .tested against its present application. What the Hon. Gentleman called tor was not a free trade, because it would ultimately secure the monopoly to India. it would be a uteri transfer of monopoly from one country to another. With' resod tir another argument of time Honourable. Gentleman—the, appeal relating to the pentincrense Of the covionsption of ode mannfactorere India4e.trotitil cOrifesi that- be did not deny its imp .portabee t bur tM.re was a pre l i m inary question to .6 first elpridesl blurs thi s conld be considered—mdti•lyi egbeshee ore obit - old now destroy those rolonitAt which ire A s keststslistsed 4w. the ,prasnction .of q Asstgar. The AVest•isdims only claimed the right, which • was given him, if trait fir chatter, at least ht. compact .— He wo ad !evim . rest the wind- clef us of the West Indies in this tie.' ustitisiatiewi of'gveater restrit.ttiona heinghtipbsed on theta than'oti the Past: Heoosild noileitsitelo:sitow, that neither' iiitiOtiginei with the Feet laiivs nor the trade df lite Pest; %main tmi sli glitest ileg i el iafringhd by thi life•filtrs. By 'thine tlieVe was witting' lint' to the ftntish" id tiffs( re;eta ref in point of protection, awl nothing given to the Wit Itidlk plaster. The protection of the fisheries still remained an toothed. The protection still continued to the shipping trade, and why not to the West India planter? Ile would ask how mach of the price of the sugar was not already taken of by the monopoly, which the British manufacturers enjoyed in the c•slonies t '4le Was aware how anxicus every body concerned la the East India trade would be for extend , ling she trade to that country ; hut it eras not to..such G tlemen that he addressed hi naele. lie addressed himself to those who had no prejndice or interest on the subject, and perilaselarty to the Government whose duty it was to co m p,' and Impartially provi.le for the interests of all. There was another important consideration, so far as regarded the alaviut In tha West Indies. A capital of no less then Ifier million, had been vested in the celtivationof those roloniet, and, under the sanction of Acts of Parliament, they were to he cultivated hymearoes imported from this cmst of Af , ica. That trade had been done away ; and laws wereufterwards passed to prevent the transfer of never* from one ishtud to another ; and .aftet Abyss sacrifices on the. part of the plant ers., etas theyerdemeot to torn roeud on there, and say t h at , they were to be deprived the advantages residthi.- fmta their industry. add 01.evpearlithre ortheir vast e_apita!, la 'thee there the linen ttnptlt l !•fitin of • AttOt.S o6 • o on People ; Sod were these to be left destitute of support, by the drier title of their plantations ? It such a thing were done, 350.U'sr adgyoes would be immediately Orono Out of employinem, Lit the House only reflecton the consequence of this de struction of property : and, would the Oosernmentleate the planters to throw themselves under the protection of same other Power 2 Would 18,abundon the interests of Colonies. trout which the nation had derived so rainy-important adran • tagis ? lie felt It neteslery to say that much, in eider to justify the vote he should gins that right. lir, K. DOUULAS' said, that be shor:l4 be vary we ll contented to rest the tinestioo !spin the able reply of his t 3 xi. ' , Fiend. He thought the /toast. should pins before they broke down suck vastintereste, and examine h at they really were. By returns arm the table of th e Howse, it appeared, tbef the amount' paid for manufar .terea anintatilyeAported- fro ta. this country to the We st India Colonies , wee three millions and a half; that they *rot warded by 1 . ,595 ship, of 4 1 3€0;0'JO toes of tonnage, weittmaned by-24700 meat. The Iln n. ensbor colt ee d. ed,'-tinst-if the restrictions were removed, gest foils wei ' itolis'colOnvy whose eapstity.for trade with this conntry swat mesh!' to thot Of the %Vest India. Colonies.. In the , hratichrs of the testae trade,- America hail distressed India in our market, anti this. was another proof of be want ot cipaeltrto trade. He was perfectly permit:l d. by every rife, he conk! takesof the question. that it would be moss mei, most unjust; and most °mist., to break dawn the interests which be 1144 eitablished trifit much &fidelity 'and advantage, and hr should thereto.* give his thou hearty negative to the tout i on. hit; ItUBERTSttN contended t•tat the state efseviety in ladiamai•lnittlical lo the Moor necessary for the ca'- tivation of suttee:. He deactalsed-the lower classes of the- Indians, as being at' to consider -lite a hordes. I t appeared • from the Lowths Kept:set upon the Sztk Tole, that is India they hid' thr.te crops in a year, while ti .e Italian...had only one: yet se inactive wsre these ari. mats, that they could not compete with Italy in her sidia. At. the time of the• French Itevoltitien the enitivation if • sugar in 81.•Dotoingo was ahandaned, and the price .ton vtpteatly rote to an eaormuus SrOiltlClt ' flirts 111114 A . the East India Directors to enenurogo the cultivation ei sugar, eat! an affid-ut company Wean forine , l. at Menge, who were to supply this Company with sugmr. lint the feet was, that they were not able to supply ammeters. Aid China and Batavia imported sogrars into Madras an 1 Ilbrokay. - The Hots. Member uppcs-d the motion at same 'teal - . _ I Mr. RiCARDO mild that if env Gentlemen were alarmed at the ptopoiition of his If nonreble Priem!. they must have been greatir eneisoled by fht speech of the lion. Member who had jest opposed it ; for he proved that no injury could be done to the West I ndies, be *blowing. the competition of tile East. The Honoei afde iltember for Sandwich had stipporsed political eci - Dome, and he should contend on that speech that there was no danger Irons admitting East India sugar iutn the market. The speech he &Soiled to was made in 1309. This argumenton that occasion was, that there was nodinger in admitting Feast In-lia sugars, whilst the price was below the price in the Continental market. The lion. Member then read an extract from the speech of the lion. Member for Sand%vieh, from which he it (erred that East India segar was to he admitted into the market. Unless the abject of the lieu. Gentleman was to limit tic quantity of East India sugars, and thereby insure a rensueeratitig price for West Indio sugar, he knew not what the lion. Member meant. It was said they had made a compact with the Planters of the tl'e,t Indies. lie knew not what that compatt was. Ile could not conceive that any country was hound to ens, r into a compact against public advantage. If any such compact had been male, it ought to be rescinded. The H.on. Member for notaries thought the country would lose all the ditties to be derived front the West India sugar trade. lie did not wish to sari-live the interest of West India Colonies. If they could prove any breath of faith, he should not support the adverse interest, but be would not consider that to be .the case. How could sugar be Imported from the East Indies without wiring the pro duce of out industry The same support world be given to our industry if sugar paying duties was itepnrted from the East or West Indies; the revenue could not he reduced. as Gentlemen contended. Cpou what ground could the grow ers of sugar in the West Indies claim a separate right - to bring their sugar into the market / If they allowed corn from Ireland to compete with the produce of ag iculturists in England, why should not our Colonists in the East lodes compete with the Planters . of the West Indiee ? Then It was said, what was to become of itld,o9o slaves in the West In dies? lie was satisfied the services of these slaves would not be lost. If the Planters could not employ them one way they would another. lie thought the admission of East In dia sugar would be en advantage rather than a misfortune to the Black population. lie again cited the pamphlet of tie lion. Member for Sandwich, and contended that there was no ground to withstand the introduction of East India su gar. Toe Hon.. Member for Sandwich proved very clearly that an open market fey sugar would lie to the advantage of the Reveowe. 101902, the Island of Cuba grew coffee old). which proved that Planters could grew other articles tier] sugar. The Hon. Member concluded by professing hlmse an advocate for free trade. Mr. MARWYATT dedenleil the West India interest. Those who argued strenuoaaly in support of free trote did net hold the same argument in fßadenhall-street. The fact was, they cause to argue for free trade with the profits of monopoly in their pockets. He had been accused with not being a political economist. lie tri!S a detetntined advocate for the maintenance of trade and our Naval power. Trade was a nursery for seamen, and the exceptions he drew from political economy in (scour of Colonial trade were just. He was ready to contend that the grower. of But India sagas. ought to carry sagas to all parts of Eoinpe with advu.ltage, bat to force their produce into the Engtiih market would he attended with great injury to the West lin!ia Planter. If they male it impossible for the West India Planter give their negrues freedom, they would defeat the object of improvement iti the con dition of the slaves. Compe tition with the British Planter in the sexar Market would force so mach sugar into cultivation in the West Indies, .that the slave' would be over-worked, and have no Oppo s etuoity toiipire . for s ) itate of . freedom. They lad beef% told 01.1.4 aiclVattieteg,tll British ship-owneta would derive free. OP 041Mismeavor Widen , sagartrad , . 'The Fait India reireet resokstiods; Wavier, made arratigements with respect to die !blil to be.grotiloYet in the East I odia trade, which most de ' feat thd -*spec tauten in !tavola of ship-owners. lie or posed the . Oinpusitina the i milky, considering that cow gditd tineleite. • Me. RICARDO, in eaphittntieein, said, he hi I never • derived the leaetlientilt froth Monopoly. Mfr. WICIAAPOBCE ouiSponett the dation, lid -con' ended that We' tientfre fro7jd bre '. lii da CO Lai u jui • —Act_ t 4( V- Of' 1 4 14 0 11.1.- NTiff 944 l ltmr!" Al!w. be coild do, trim to birealli,h4t h h/s tritie'teek o rot.'•iiiit.ir Writhe. ho wit •0t../..tharsiofiront: . 4 ‘ slide *it hilipprilltlon of I Mr. CA LCRAFT said, that he wodelmove to 4 iodrroi ndgrtee. Rut what was at fiviiateleoli,tiiiiisiiiik-hheirter Mak Milani that Artbet disestrose period, •n,l fifh thY havnnat dpn