The Statesman. — London, England, 1821-02-16 00:00:00

ma - Pro ..,noryt re kting e Qoestr from the Liturgy : and f u r the Copy of a Letter written by Lord • Sidnionth to Colonel florflon respeellow the arrest. Lord GLENARCHT said, thatilie question was so folly and so clearly hronght bellito the HOW, Alt, little was left for him to say. Thi Order in Ctonficilt appeared to him to be a bred ek of the lithdamentel principles of the Church of tik otiand—(llear, hear.) — The Chureh of Scotland admits of no tempera) head ; it diselsinof all authority in its discipline, or in the internal regulation of its affairs. Every man ac artaintrfl with the history of that country, knew the struggles that were ntade---•hose long the people cons , tended, by word and act, until it length they esti- Hished that right, which they thought worthy MI light and bleed for-- , s(Hear, hear.) —That right sr* at length secured for Scotland, and was guarantelid , at the Union. The Order in Council, so loudly and so justly condemned in Seotland, affected %- Kroll considerations of religion4send, Mt might add, principles of justice, as well as of policy. lie was afraid that no good reason or motive could be assign ed for bonier( such order. Was it to promote the welfare of the country ?--(Hear,)—was it to uphold the dignity of the Crown?--{Near,)—was it to pro mote the puriiy of religion'—{Hear.) He endeavour ed to weigh it by those tests, and he could find no motive to justify the measure ; he could find no mo tive, save the gratification of uncharitable feelings, and the workings of a vindictive and odious spirit atainst her Majesty. The LORD ADVOCATE said, that with respect to the Church of Scotland, he did not dispute its rights or independence, always maintaining that it was under authority to the law. Perhaps it would be enough for him on the present question, to say, that the Order in Council was consistent with the uniform practice of one hundred years; that would be a fair defence, but Fe did not mein to rest there. He contended that the Orderin Council was grounded upon and upheld by law. He grounded the legality of the measure on the 10th of Anne, chap. 7. sec. 10. by which it was enacted, that Queen Anne and the Princess Sophia should be PcpresOy prayed for byname. The legal question be fore the House was, whether that . ' Act applied n ff ,, erely to Queen Anne and the Princess Sophia, or whether it extended to every future Sovereign and heir Apparent? The legality 'night in some degree be judged by the Orders la Council which were issued in the life time of Lineal Anne. The Princess So phia, after the passing of the Act of the 10th of Anne, arid during the 11* time of her illajesty, died, upon which an Orden tit Council was issued without any amendment if the Act, or without the passing of any r .9r law upon the subject, substituting the name of the Plellor of Brunswick; that motion was dated the 2191 ,if Jnos, 1714. On the death of Anne a new order in Council was issued, and flee name of lieoege tle First, without any new law on the subject, was , prayed for in the place of the deceased Queen. and so the rattier went on during the succeeding reigns. foe Learned Lord then cited the cases of various (Now j-sring) Clergymen in Scotland, who had been indicted under the statute of Queen Anne ; and proceeded to' *hew that down to the present day, with two solitary receptions, whenever, by Order in Coital!, any al teration was made in tit: Liturgy of the Church a, Englittl, -anothe Order was sent down to the Church of Scotieud. The Order in this case directed merely the general act of praying for King George the Fourth and Hoye! Tensity: and they would find the Govern ment completely jnatified in point of law, in issuing this order. The °Met was to pray for the King—but it did alt •hea'. in what terms the King was to be prayed forif there was a burn fide prayer for the King, that was it fine compliance with the act. lie was modem adinit farther, if any Clergyman prayed for Kinglisorge, be *as not excluded from also psay ing for any branch of the Royal Family by is mic— a he chose to do so, he might pa? for the Queen sterniaariat. He • said this would not he if the Noble Lord said that this was the general prat. tke of the Ministers of the Church of Scotland, he was prepared w deny that it was so. Instead of nine tenths. of . the Clergy of Scotland praying for the .Queen by same, he would say the calculation was di. cctly the reverse. lie certainty approved of the con 'loci of those who did not pray for the Queen; if they did nut do so, they gave no opinion of their own, they made thetuseive• no parties in the political question that agitated the country; batl when au inuividual went beyond this anti prayed fur the Queen by tissue, he prone/lewd an opinion of his own— he intruded hi% own political opinion on his conger "ethos, in a place whence political sentiments ought to be etrinded. He would shortly allude to certain proceedings in the Stewartry of Kirkritarirht: The proceedings tot the Kirk Session were quite distinct from the other case alluded to by the Noble Lord. Ile thought die proceedings of the Kirk Session un wise, foolish, and illegal; but what had happened ? 'flee Presbytery, a higher tribunal than the Kirk Ses sinn, not only rescinded its proceedings as illegal, but ordered them to be erased from the Session-leook.- 1 lee.petweeslinge against the Chaplain of a yeomanry cow lead nottiag to do with those if the Kirk Sea sign.. nod ,they were at different times. The Com manderstfo yeomanry corps in the Stewartry of Kirk c.olbright, c.snsidered that the Chaplain of that corps twilit not to pray for the Queen e as the doing so would h•alte gives dispiesance to the maps ; and he had asl dressed a • Utter to a certain Clergyman Of Not S%cwartryidesirinn M keeper whether. if tailed to pre. term the d.sy of. Ohsplsa to the Kieltendbriglk to; man ry, lso wedid or would not 'pray for the Queenl y The t o lloplailkffid sot give alletplicit answer.. He , came 4isCre, aid he prayed Ise dm Qom nossimtian, his ',tonging to his quarters, it was 'stint to hi e br emstmonsling slim % that Ms Awls& • alder sews I he soli him. h• p 1 . . - * fi• against the Commending . Offioer :it had been g gested to him, from various quarters, that it would be better that the alt it should be settled by reference. This respsetable individual declined making a re ference to env one, but the intlisitlitai who was now addressing thent. He had said to the Clergyman, that he was the last individual to whom such ere , ferrate ought to lw made. The Clergyman, bows ever, having perais:ed, hr had ercepted the referee**. The award was not vet prononneell, but the business was finished as tar as the public was concerned. !le submitted to the Ilonse,therefere, th it no grenntl.had I been stated fur brintine the matter before Putliament. Sir J. MACKINTOSH said, be was relieved ftetn addressing the Home on the subject of the general 'principles of this case, by the speech of his Noble Friend (Lord A. II.), and the .perch, so full urpro miss, of the Noble Lord (tilenorchy), who seconded the motion with such peculiar proprioty ; for his name I(Campbell) was mitnerted with every struggle for the civil and religious liberties of Scotland. It was with peculiar FatkfAction that lie now saw the two families who had led formerly the opposite parties of that country, this night exhibiting the same constitutional jealousy on the sulmject of the invasion of these liberties. He would take the liberty, however, of filling ep a part of the outline of his Noble Friend. Ile woukl go no farther back than the period of the revolution. 'I he very first Act of the Convention Parliament declared Prelacy one of the grievances of time kingdom, and one of the articles of that Church so approved of by the Convention was, that it had no bead on earth. fie was not now inquiring whether this was a convenient doctrine for a church to hold ; but the Conventi-m Parliament took a clierelt into its alliance, with such a confession of independence. This establishment of the church was continued by the Act of Union ; and the first act of every Sovereign on his accession to the Throne was, to swear that he would preserve the Church of Scotland as by law eatahlished. It was a fundamental law of Scotland, that the Church should be independent of any temporal bead.—{clear.) With respect to the statute of Queen Anite, be should not easily he led to adopt a soustrtiction of that Act, at variance with the Article of Religion of the Scottish Church. Every statute which differed Nom a law fun damentally alcred, should be examined according 'n the strictest laws of constructi sn, er r teefergret je, The Learned Oentlentan then Were& isto the history of the Church of Scotism', and of the casts cited by the Lord Advocate, and clearly sheaved that the statute of QtteSn Anne was made not to effect the Pres hyterian Church, hut the Episcopalian Church of Scotland. With respect to the case before him the order issued to the Church of Scotland was in time saute term' as that to the Church of f?.neland and it was certainly uutleretnoil by the whole hotly of the Church of i:ngland, as an * Order not to pray for the Queen by name. What then was the natural conatruction to be put upon fhb . ' Order. but that the Church of Scotland were commanded is the sante manner to omit the name of the Queen? But the Kint was not the head of the Church in Scot land, there was no act of uniformity which could apply to Scotland, and the statute of the 10th or Anne gave no authority to urdet the omission of any name. The !.earned Lord admitted, that that partik the Order in Council which referred to the !3:t Oesa. 111. was a gross aheardity. It was neither more net less than an injunction to the Presbyterian Clergy to comply with an Art, which was made for the relief of 1 the Episcopal Clergy of Scotland; anti an injnaction which, he apprehended, was not likely to be obeyed by the tamest and moat mitigated disciples o f John Knox. Ills Majesty'. Ministers had in fort com manded the Presbyterians of Scotland to follow fortortla contained in time Liturgy of the Church a l England, against which Liturgy their ancestors had so lung, and at length so totecesefully struggled. The Learned Lord in fact admitted, that in spite of this Order in Council, ever: Clergyman in Scotland might if he thought tit. pray for time Queen by name : but no Clergyman in England could venture to pray fur the Queen ; what then was to be ieferied from this difference, hut that an order, which was ?Wang. in England, had no force whatever in Scotland;' anJ that Ministers had advised his Majesty to eirionte his Royal commands to be set at defiance, and his Royal authority to he insulted and eanteroaesl ? It wits too each tu.say that this was an insignificant question in Jtt self, but as s lineation altaning the rights of t the Church of Scotland it was of the highest importance.-- As to any arguments for the interference of she clown' *it It those rights founded upon usage, he was prepared 1 tre a t them with the w in o:. contempt, and ill ug be should be justified by the ,course which had :Wen taken by courts of law in this eunotry. The Learned Lord had asked whether this usage were nut a justi fi cation of his Majesty's Ministers? and certainty if this had horn a question as to any cri minal proceeding against them, usage might have keen a sufficient reason fur abstaining from such a proceed ing. But the Learned Lord considered the issuing of the Order as a legal exercise of authority, and be, seemed to rely upon the tleneral Assembly not Wing opposed it. There were various modem o f ren ding a. proposition trith..et di rec tly oppos i ng it, and the Oeneral Assembly had in this respect imitated thneon. duct of a morn- illustrious body, which freinently to support measttres whisk conscientioasly approve. They had negatived the Resolution condetur' of the Crows, Tent they passed FFlt the censure upon „.. r ound that the t hostile to the 2rw s..l so doubt, extremely esserve. when,* mew' r, "rrtr•-.7 • I t, begged that not in merely to redress a private injury, but they were bout to inquire whether an act of oppression had not been committed Its consequence o f an Order having hern issued, which, to say the least of it, was useless and nugatory. Upon these grounds he thought the motion of his Noble Friend was perfectly justifiable. lord CASTLEREAGH said, that so little impres sion had heeti'made on the speech of his Honourable and Learned (the Lord Advocate), that it would be wasting the time of the douse, if he called their atten tion to snore than one or two leading features of this 'subject. lie ;honied that a great part of the speech et be Honourable awl Learned Gentleness oppmite (Sir James Mackiatoch), was bat 111 adapted to the occasion, and be could nut help suspecting :that he would not have introduced so touch recondite matter into his speech as the origin sad iadependence of the ecclesiastical institutions of Scotland, if he had not come down to the House under the impression that he should heave to defend them against some greater in road, than what bad bsen abewn by his Hen. and Learned Friend (the Lord Advocate), to be supported by a streatu of decisions of the highest authority. Ile would pi. it to the candour of the Hon. and Learned Gentleman, whether be bad any conception that so complete all answer would have bees g ives to the air cuments .spun which the motion of the Noble Lord was (minded ? The Noble Lord had brought two cases of inuli,iJnal grievances, and upon these he haul at tempted to found a charge against the Uuverninent. Ile protested against the principle of tusking that din rte the tribunal for the investigation of private wrongs. lie trusted that the result of this motion would be a lesson to the Noble Lord and others who brought c_ses of this description before the House, not fur the purpose of obtaining justice far the indi viduals, hut to pro.luce irritation, and poison the public mind. Both the grievances which the Noble Lard had thcught proper to loin before the House of Commons had been settlel and redressed by the local authorities of the country. In the cue of the Chap lain of the Yeomanry, Government bad distinctly de clared that it was not a case in which they would in terfere. With respect to the Order is Council, Govern ment had, in issuing it, done no more than what had heen uniformly practised since Ike Act of Anne. — After the arguments of his Honourable and Learned Friend, he (Lord C.) was perswailetthat the Noble Lord opposite must feel tltat his motion had fallen from his haled:. The flunonroble and !Aliened tiesitle.van (Sir J. Mackintosh) had said, that the liberty of the Church of Scotland was in clanger; hut he (Lord C.) must be permitted to say, that this motion, as well at many other motions on the 'tidied of the Queen, was introduced for any purpose rather,, than that of tranquillizing the country. The argu ments of his Honourable and Learned Friend (the' Lord Advocate), ns far as lie (Lord C.), with his unlearned mind was capable of judging of a legal' argument, were perfectly clear and unanswerable. The Noble Lord then read the clause of the Aet of the :hod Geo. 111. for Regulating the Prnyers of the Epieropallari Church of Scotland, by abide, hg contended, it was manifest, that praying for the Quern by name was not necessary for the Church of Scotland. The dame directed that the Mar. bis helm and successors, should be prayed for by name in such manlier as should be directed by lawful anthority.—(llevir, from the Opprasition).--ite was aware, that it might be conteeded that this lawful authority must he the same as that is the Act of Uniformity. The construction contended for in the Act of Uniformity wita. however, in his opinion, illegal.' He wonld put it Into the House, whether the Noble Lord had made out any reasonable ease for the productiom of the information which his motion eonglit for ? He repeated his conviction, that the Noble Lord must himself feel that the case had heen completely, though unexpectedly, taken from under Lim. Mr. J. P. (IRANI' supported the motion. The present was a grave charge, he said, against his Mee j e tty's Mi n ktouri, for they haul committed the name of their Sovereign to : t document which they themselves admitted to he aboard and nugatory. It was impoe eible to ascribe their condnet. in issuing the Order is Council, to any other motive than an impotent desim to coaqinwitise the character of the Queen. • • '"! -- 31r . „11AXW ELL salt', he had beard with astonish meat the declaration of the Noble Lord (Casthereagh) in which he aacrileed to the. Noble Lord who larousio forward this motion an attempt to poison the public mind. He considered the Issuing of the Order in Council as the Arguel of a system of u pon, the rights and privileges of the Church of Scotland. Lord cAsTLEKRA(II4 explained. He disclaimed any intention of imputing improper motives to the Noble Loral, bet lie.rertainly thought the, the bring ing of individual grievances before that House had a most pernicious effect, in impeding the pablie business, and tending to irritate tin' public mind. Lord A. HAMILTON brit* replied. If the Art of Queen Anne was atilficient for their pupal.% why was ; the Oviler• in.• Coattail issued ; the arguments of the case hail been uso ably disposed of by his lion. Friend, en so !!cuts him sotttiOg to add. If the liters euption of aline night, assumed by his Majesty's MI-, they.posseas a rightful power to oflikosloakohould -to that coon- 'bib: 1 1:. • AI - , . • •• • • T, li 61A • - ,L . statimbi----- . .... --__ - . fire with th e conscientious discharge of his ditties. A dor , .0. .ii 1. 0 ... t. t .i.. -a The Leatoed Lo guild, }at they Mind, Dery be would beg, that the House would reflect for lalie 1 . 111 li it •t th Wen'. .; t t s, Id a n from mentioning the ' ett's mime wereislivide moment on the situation in which that unwise an. as , 1 er 'Mtn fti • ar tw le e i ,r: of • j: so that upon his principles, to be of !pi Noble gal Order placed the Clergy of Scotland. Ifs Alia fe- , lsted that Order, he Ira% to be placed under militaty ar• ... -.........-. was ill:atter% tilot w three_ sceekeiffer A beAtialti parts. tvaa.to.bsof tbs Duty aiLthe eourt.—(A lanifh.) not al rest ; under arrest, ;veriest-he would not pray acconl- now in ~nen nts of Ilavernment were, with This was surely a singular recipe for impartiality. He laws ii resp.ct to the poi dr. The tlittititailei lea& 11 4 0" 1- Oh °Oleg 'ls msai ing to the word of command. Either the Clergymen siltontirki If there were not . repreh shonid at tojetiser neglect the Order of Council, or he ronnieation to him alit LiirkAdrockc), and alsa to, considerabbusumberof Clez4tyulca, even in that chows trial.% -,. • • a the insrpooll- IMPWrettlivir - estestrOglintk the Toni . Lieutenant of the llbotnty, and by the Lprd seat of po.likieat independence-0i laugh)---who might morall to pnhlic odittm. and the I?ty character. The Noble iientenalso irmvintnniestion 'st'a made t , • the Hotne censitler the digislebsdre of the Noble Lord oppoeite of sculpt Lett neat stated, that the o d object of . bis motion • ----v- SeggetorPr The -angler'. retnnied wo, .'• th at tribe 'quite irbtßlllbsp_offebee as the construction dr all Act ciples weg i the prooloetion shirr eta ' rom 'Aro ~ , s w„, eat i,. „ T i ne/a n eemsi oi see a th a l atest ; The lams worotenant had not recommended any steifs, en of Parliament,. :ffe Wa* perfectly teatly.to bear testi- of the Noble Lad said, that at pr otisoupoilos, to wbieh, steps should he taken." floyerstneet having the. ninny to'thocharacter and abilities of the I , earned proles however, he would oot.at piosolt allot* awl etniriadod refused 10 in/wrote, awl allowed the indicidaals to Lord opposite; and for the settlement of auy question try he by Moving for a copy of o f ()act in Caacil, disectod settle the G iant *WNW tifent!el..4l: there was nn Par- in which private interests were involved, he believed it elect to the Lien Assembly the Chureh of Scotland, re- liantentary ground for imptiring into it. The clerey- would he 'impossible t's find a more judicious and would la to the erasye .s of_ the Qnett's name from the man had threatened f w settle time to bring an action honourable umpire. He begged to remind the House, part; __e _ I ....1.1.......ift0n by Lord . ~_ ~..____A . ,,,,, 1 bff i ca ,, : i t h a d b een I s ng. however, that they .. 7 . 7 ,.. .r . t 1i, i ,. . y. th , toffs case ,e c w al e l r e e d bo ur nd is ptic.t.oissut hotly, which was Itswera, order thoGioserk otikoilasatt.ohoold go tothat coon- ii 4l Nees which they dW. go! ,thy. he.foired the Howse •Wattisi . lament that owls as b,, They had tot, lowest% ilitenseetotiao "wear made: The Noble Lord had a p mdemniNg this laterforosse that eight areatooed weak* as latootadow. the meat th kiPit 06 very ItesolsOhliciettywilistiginiONw tisarctre,htit coot csicloccliswel Lzi , i his Majesty's Miaielees ov A ao bant hies Ilse Nubia lowed had , artier was issued wititopt 411.41 A, listaillos) sad his Hoastarable w the Church of 5c0114114. 1110116.0tocueli ithwwiths timbals patens the peddle .ly mousiest to item p .If there was sae matt is that House who bad iv *mew of do4t.follogality, allasweeetr titiog to itie paws, so poises the public • to a o fa i x t ;n Indelible againitiist at if i . gma on it was t lio suit t ou •al b te, ted Lord.--(Hear, bear.)—He had etidearonrea done to poison the public mind, but the very themselves, when he ventured to broach thattaost reprehensible and abominable doctrine, that after a tsial.tba..fiasrn.. though technically acquitted w as Ily convicted.—(Hrar, hear, hear.)—Such u as iption was an entire suhversinn of the et a .. iples of puttee—it poisoned the administratt o li the laws at theii sow .e. He (Lord A. Hamilton) fesseil he could not see the puibility of the new being tr.inquillized as long as the effect of that ration remained sitsilenied. He hoped the (dues ld pardon any . manifestation of warmth on hit but when the object was imputed to Lima 4 ,‘ ming the public mind, he must repeat, it was , gr.ituitons assumption on time pert of th• N a bk Lord, and that he (Lord A. Hamilton) would fl at" be the object than the author of it. lie was is Labe whether the Noble Lord himself coasideet4 that air Majesty's Ministers bad or had not the power of Div ' ing orders to the Church of Scotland. ft was asserted that they bail the right to iasne it, but that order was nn;atory. If it was nugatory, then he must say an order, whirls was sure to be disclaimed and see in Scotland, w.as one which the Cabinet and the . Nei • Coalmen were not justified in issuing'. Lord CASTLEREAOH, in explanatioa, said, that he did not apply any improper intentlon to the Nettie Lord. He meant to state, that the effect of such lea. Lions, alleging grievances, withont the applierstion of any remedy, had the tendency to irritate the public mind. With respect to the Queen, what be observed was, that the acquittal was similar to such an aster tat in the Courts below; as followed from a dull the indictment, or on a point referred to the Judges. Sir J. M ACK I NTOSII explained. The House then divided-aoAyes, 35—Noes, 110—:- I Majority against the motion 75. IRISH LAW COURTS. On the motion of tlr. C. ()RANT, after some few servations from Sir .1. Newport, Mr. Benue, and I. Martin, leave was given to bring in a Will to ream the Proceeding's of the Civil Side of the Court of Rise ' Bench, the (' rumor Side of the Common Pleas, aid Se I Pleas of the exchequer. Mr. C. tinANT gave notice, that on to-morrow he %Timid move, in a Lononittee of the wnole How, a It.. solution that the Salaries of the Officers of the said Courts be paid out of the Counolidated Fund. On the motion of Sir J. NEWPORT, a Returner tie Nantes and Dates and Sums given as remuneration to the Commiasioners ap 'Weil to inquire into time English Courts of Law was, b . red to be laid on the tahie. Lord FOLK , ES s moved that there be laid belies the House an Acconat of all Salaries above 150/. par annum, an num, increased mince 1;93, " eify r ing Ithe a mount the increase, and whether made in lien of fees. After a few wools from Mr. Kobiteion and Mr. Onal burn, who stated the Acconnts would be volatilises', and that a notice was desirable, Lord Folkestone with. drew his motion, amel gave notice of it fur to-morrow. The LORI/ ADVOCATE moved the Order of the Day for the House going into a Committee to consider time Compensation to the Clerks of the Seotch Coatis et Admiralty. Mr. i'ItEEVEY knew of no grounds for marina. Lion to Scotch Cleats. Wass it because the Lyme* Lord merely held a paper in his h and that the rat money was to be thus expended ? They were there W retrench, and not to grant. 'the Hon. Member for Abingdon, in the spirit of that fe elin g , had given ace tier of a motion for a reduction of taxes to the *mom. of three millions, and he sin cerel y ho p ed he notild look reed in his object. He knew there were such things as Scotch jobs and English jobs, but he kn ew nothin g of these Clerks. They may have some-claim —they mete be relatives of great men —they may be Loyal Aildrenere. —(a lie woula give u lnathe merely because time Learned lard, contideinial whisper, had 'dipped a paper, as if it were a play-Mi. into the bands of the Speaker.—(A laugh. mad bete, hear.) —His object was to ix the attention of the pespie of England on thew transactions, that they Untold be fully informed of the process—that they . should andeto sand how their money was divined of ut that Hook. Indeed, it appeared almost time only business of that House to give away money,. as if they picked it sp mg accident. The LOAD ADVOCATE said, that in consecrate , of the Reports of C‘onissiseimers the fres of t h os et;lerim were abolished, bet as they had vested rights, they were to he remunerated. Mr. W. SMITH thonght the Learned Loyd sheet hare preciously made that etplanation to the Comainee.: The !.oral A . dvorate explained. Mr. liright said a few words on the opposite silk. • Mr. CHEEVEY observed, that a Noble Frieodefhie had just before submitted a motion to the House, a view of obtaininr returns of all places which mat held at salaries above 110. per amines, in orate. ground npnn the information in obtained, propotifio for saving a portion of the public money. I let a Howson-Ode tient-tenon opposite requested the Mover to give thesis time to entmitler the sullied; expressed a great ;stalely that such a hosiness not he hurried. Now, however, when the Lord dame' cote cause to tlem mil an actual vote of money from 111 0 ° Hosier, no time for consideration wos asked; Was said almost hurry and precipitancy; and for was this actual vote of looney required' Whv , fse Admiralty Conn in Scotland—a Court whirls be IP, sever heird of—(a 44 not T hi n k thees was asking too much, to legume that this *Mies eleoll• be put Is this "Alie Sittbatt ol % at that of Noble ?demi --(hese. heat !I —and that stuuntietkv. altoalil scestre fore motley was voted for Scothool, that OR> which is was moved I. • might he and lie would therefore m ove, that the Chairman he mimed report progress. athe I) no. soh he taken 111110 rialvddißS. • stun nnother day. This should be thole inn o bet tit m mon eence.--(ortler l .)—That was his opinion; l it g bll fair that time holil he I .ven to too:tiler the de. me u nd s of the Crown, s as n well so those guide on tile poi of the People. Mr. COCKTENAY contended that there was an iss• logy between the two cases; the !notion of Ms &Mb Friend was founded on a document aetually Woe. Manse and was made in consequenc e of the dirtier, na. conona:tsdation of the Co ttttt sisosoners, who had hem sr pointed to ineleire into the slant of the Scotele ConrtsS . Mr. I ) ENkIAN said , that the woo Commisslose is host some time axo declared a high °dice Hand to hr uselese, and Vet it was tilled o p. dol P. l vac:aims, notwitlvitanding their representatom A *trance. This turaatim.% Isicb was f°° °dej " .16 tiftrten°tllhilemelssestnjiti"irus iinavirdsedreelsettlipTitt vteleril he thonght their:l4e mosey tecfht not to be V whray the bad ties* to examine tbo . Ike merits of the proposition. . 1 e Mr. 1 DAS smpported the 'notion. )UN lionl ROLKLITME sod Mlr J. NEWIPOST•ab I • rn 'words ir i s favour of the Amendment. Tile LOll.l, ADSOCATS rsplaised W. Smith . Ate'* a few words how Mr. *fr o ' N7reetov, Mr. Wok lie was eartaintid lllo . #, • v A c .M 1 - I I