The Statesman. — London, England, 1823-06-10 00:00:00

. - •- 0: i '~ - -- . - - ....t of from between 5,000 L and GAOL &week, ,+t DOW pay 51. When this conk place, was it possible , A giliat very great dieters* must be felt by the labouviog par** the trade? The main question to be considered was, Whether the present Acis tended to increase the milk' mmorfeeture in Leadon. He maintained they did not: TIM losishaseen branch - bad materially suff;ved from thothend all the Spared work Was now entirely trans. • *geed to the country. He deprecated the farther post. Vof a measure width was sostegently called for - ', Ia t IGHT said this me it uOmillesoal my great ire- - Lorleace. them beim to less that 50.000 persons both In 'melba and Cambay latereseed lo .it. He was surprised •; the Reese shook! teem impiry on the scbject. h 1 woos inmetrems atetsini to legislate wittiest it—es well illivtatipirerlialWietbeplab of the merca ntile tpass I t t:tro te f i t a t:, nth illemUL: dem wen mostant quarrel* battings the inailass Ala joulsoYma boli in London and Coventry, ' Illibillsperty le tits ;moist 4 from 1001. to 2001 . a niglitl into tommestly destroyed. Fem the time, hsirever. that , *PM was mooed, the greatest traimalUke prevailed. and , *seism was, below It gem to the !abeam, a fair price, fee their labour. He contended that the arm! Wahl , litilpthathethe ins sot to be found so meek mom the] Immo% se tumour ether working Artisans: but slimed the Ail be.= the inevitable marequeoes suet. be the, , and misery. He insisted that a Wicket 1 • .. ' tar *gel was made out. before tbey promeded to re •_*C . he • •'";' them, alma would go farther and say that a strong . was mode out why they ought to be maintained. • This mesa question between London. Macclesfield. and Coventry. ]tide Acts were repealed. Macclesfield and Coventry most lose their trade, which would all centre In London ; whereas ilthey were allowed to 000tinut all the tee work would be mmented ii London, and all toe other in the country. He WWI would they run the consequences of throwing such a • . pct of moons out of e mploymeat? This was not a of political economy, nor oughtit lobe considered in • • political menwy was a good thing. bat it ought i mi tate Ntenibiolgbt of bNore these Acts were passed. He trnajmed the Hoes. to beware bow they tampered with laws , • '-.. , • wilWut silent inquiry. One mistake in altering the distil , - . •:. - . levy laws of scetlaed had ceased their distillation teespread -..,--r ..-. 1 --; ra to as extent fee +MA *ere was now le 'e a ' *..i i , I. ''• An Hen. IMEMBILL idiom& some we oo= l otiyont, et , . - • 'preload himself Moidedly biome of loquley. 4 Me. RICARDO lbeopht inquiry milts oiessolOOly. AU I Ss ilmila were already known, and -me WOW thhoomtlen , ivasad. The mamas mod by th e Soo. Member fee ..(Ile•Helobt) afforded the best argument why the poithato be extended to every branch of tht Isedie. the leis. Member maintained that under the ope-, to tot nettle's* us iteow stood, things were going on well, TlMbe.(llr: Ihardo) denied, for the law was inject to its• spatulas as it regarded the master manufacturer. The N. Member called upon the Honse to consider the emotoe time' of throwing a great part of the-population ot " tellields out of work. But it could not happen that a pleat many heeds would be thrown out of work, when there weal be still the same demand for the commodity. There winl4ll, be e treater ; has of employment If the Acts were-moo yowled, than there was it present. But then it was argued. that the rite of wages would not he the same. That was very possible, for now the wages were kept up by the lotto; &rem of the Maglstrates, against which he (Hr. Ricardo) would always raise his voice. He contended that no maw • had a eight to come hetweed the manufacturer end the • . . . . Jallostrar is order to put sa artifkial Fries on labe dt se. , Wi • , . rapt** the poor rates. it had always been found that very little money could be raised in Bpitalields. and. .' • thtrefocs. applications for aid were frequently made to Go vorutitent. In his opinion, the Honourable Member for Besets* (Colonel Wood) bad taken an erroneous view of the opeholon of the law with respect to the working weavers. • Calomel WOOD, in ciplanation, said that all be meant to contend for was that the law, as it now stood, • secured a fair price to labour,- and that it afforded to the matters the only prartirable means of extending their capital tinder alkeirnuntstances, by occasionally giving ball-work instead of whole, when the demand was slack. • Mr:RICARDO said it was for this very reason be *Omit to see the Aets repealed. Was it not a greet Mischief, If the master maoufacuuren could not get a re sonnersting price for their commodity , in cons e q uence o f i d I demand . ' that the Magistrate should lotto fete, saw, b• thoug h you sell at saw price, thou qii,*, itot• thi Aare sr to your label/yrs." Wiqf MOl% Jade a . cruelty ? ' Some labourers Wight certainly • 1611 thread opt of employment by the proposed measti* bat thmeremined would have fell work. It was Wens-. tem with Many Oen:lanes in that Hem to make use of the words I ' l _ political economy," as i substitute far Itt gillwritt--cHear. bear!) The Hon. Member for Way. Mouth (Hr. F. Bestow) bad told the House that Adam Smith and otheis differed in their opinions respecting politicalecomeny. He (Mr. Ricardo) admitted the fat; loot if the hammy drawn from it by his Hollocroble Friend wer appe ared we should serer change any law, it all.' It that the rote of wages In the silk trade had not altered since the time that bread was at tr. the clearhern loaf. Was this a state of things that should be alF.weit to continue ? It bad been stated chit there wire 1/00,000 persons engaged in the rrade ; bet that was impossible. He could say, from authority, that there were only 9,000 men employed as operativd treaters. Foe his ono part, be sbooll certainly opptitio my fort delay in the progress of the'eneasure: lir. LLIPS supported the motion, and stated that the pea *rates of Middlesex were more than double those In Loticashire, though the population was nearly eqoal in both places. He should be sorry if OendeMen -'--, , op his side of the House would liPpose tioveriment, ee,• , *her they bid the utanliems to *La; forward measures M ptiblicntility like Chid. "; ,. ii" ' Mr.' °BOUGH At said, he could not be silent on the present occasion, lest it might be considered that be was inclined to offer any opposition to a anoints of Which he ,highly approved k a; it wept to teal Acts which were in themselves .imoolitic, founded on no mood principles, and from which no good could result either to the manufacturers or labourers. Ile thought . that the feral of the Acts would certainly be productive '• of advantage to both parties. But the question now to •he considered was, whether, after baying supported a bad spina for a length of time, they could now retrace their sopa. withoutheseing the parties interested in it. now • that they nods * before the House and called for inquiry. Ile would say that, on the pound of good !whey, it would be desirable that the measure should be carried ;pp the way that it would prove the least repulsive to the feello Fe of the community. He was quite sure they could net adopt a better method than to carry it with the cement of as large a number of the people as possible.' Aa Hon. Friend of his Lad said that. while be admitted . all the facts stated at the bar to be true, Ile maid sot still alter his opinion; But whin a large class came forward to comp lain. was it nothing that they should shut the door agmest. the evidence they of fered, tad refuse the inquiry which they sought. In doing so,. be maintained that they would turn them from the bar discontented. It was for that reasou, cod as a hived to the principle of the measure, that be wish ed to ieee the further progress delayed for .s few days , it by such delay it could he ultimately carried with ge ieral satisfactioe. If the House would but consent to best the evidence which those persons said they had against the Bill, they would be tent home contented, and at ;east convinced' that nothing was done hastily to their prejudice. If the object of getting a Select Cm. isgtee one to delay the Bill beyond the present Sex-, alin. be would be far from appearing in favour of it ; I bit it was on the understanding that there was no vex-, reboundely that he would' ascent. It was On there grounds that be would giro his vote for that kind of hearing In •the Sels•et Lommittee up .stairs what was Pill ed- f°t * r. WM: SMITH expcensod , bis concurrence in that opinion, hot declared himsOlf entirely in favour of the principle of the BILL IddprumoßßlDOSS mi.:ollentood to approve : i 1' . . 1 r. t % 't bk. factor.. s genet ty. was Inciple the Bill, hat was anxiois for further information. Mr. BYNO was in favour of further inquiry before any changowas'made io those laws, during the opera tion of width there was less distress in the parishes la which those manufacturers lived than in any Other die. trio. Theme was much good sense among those people, and if they were allowed the opportunityof being heard, he had no doubt but they would go home from the Com mittee convinced of the propriety and utility of the Bill. Mr. C. GRANT objected to the Committee, because it iambi be impossible io any given time for any Committee to embrace the wide range of inquiry suggested by the Menourable Memhers for Bristol and Norwich. An attooorable Member under the gallery (Mr. Mooch) was of opinion that the Committee shoold also inquire auto the operation of the Poor Laws, in reference to ins attfadurers.• He should have no objection to go into the Cip' emitter, itthe objects of inquiry were to be limited , but he could not consent to it nosier the impression that it would not be closed, not only In three weeks, but not even in three Sessions. The principle of the Bill was approved of by almost every lion. Member; but it did not rest in principle only, but was founded on facts. It was sanctioned also by , the Report of the Lords' Commit• mittee on the silk trade. The Right Honourable Gest., here read extracts from that Report, and contended that itamounted to a repeal of the old Act. With rasped te the assertion of the Hon. Member for hliddleset (Mr. Byng,) that the Spitalfields districts were freer than attf other from distress. He begged to refer the House to the Report of the Committee for relieving the distresses of the Spitaifields Weavers, in 1816. The existence of great distress was proved, in his opinion by that docu ment, which showed that upwards of 8,300 looms were out of employment. If three hands were allowed to each loom, the number of persons unemployed would be 724,900. Adding to that the proportion of women and children, the House could not but see that in the silk trade alone, in that year, no fewer than 40,000 persons were out of employment. Sir JAMES MACINTOSH said he would go into the gemmed Committee on the grounds of conciliation and general satisfaction, assuming, at the same time, that oath a concession would not delay the Bill. Aoy such delay would only keep up the irritation, and the postpon ing of it beyond the present Session would only produce hopes of ultimately defeating it, encouraging the party at the same time to renew the charge next Session. He would not vote for any Committee if it risked the certain gjassing the measure in the present Session. He the House would choose the fittest Members for such a Committer. awl would also give them instruetlona so framed, that there could be no risk of producing too much delay. After a few words from Mr. BRIGHT, if explanadoo, thegouse divided, ~. leer the original mottos, fiatet-Agallist it, 60 ;-. 4111 . joritThey, 8. Bill was then ordered to ie Not a third time on Wednesday next. CHIEF BARON OF THE EXrHEQUER (IRELAND). On the motion fur reading the - Order of the Day for the House resolving itself into a Committee on the judi cial fees received by the Chief Baron of the Exchequer in Ireland, Mr. S. RICE expressed a wish that the Committee would be postponed to Friday, that he might have an op portunity of makings motion connected with the subject. Captain O'GRADY was understood to say, that in case the Committee was postponed to Friday, he wished that there should be an understanding that the motion would then come on for certain. 1 • The postponement of the Committee was then agreed to. LEEWARD ISI.ANDI—FOUIt 'AND A HALF PER CENT. DUTIES. Air. CRKEVEY begged to call the attention of the Miner to the grievances under which the people of the Leeward iskeds laboured. Among their anmerous causes of distress, they complained particularly of the hardship imposed on them of grantieg to the Crown four hog. abrade and a half of sugar, out of every hundred hog shead; and four puncheons end a half of rum out of every 'hundred puncheons. He bad brought the subject before the House at a former period, and be was induced to hope Aso they beard the petitions reed, the inhabitants of those islands would be no bongereuhjected to that griev' Hitler. The Hoe. Member than teed extracts from Me petitions of six of the islands, among *high was Barbs deo. Antigua, Montserrat, and St. Christopher, eptn 'plaining of genera) grievances, .but all concurring in placing the 4 percent. duties among them. They pray ed the House to take all those grievances into considels tioa, and abolish that duty altogether, as they contri buted equally in all other respects to support the titirtkni of the state. By looking to the list'of pensions grafted out of those duties, hefeend two knitted to the Princess of Gloucester, and to the Princess of Hesse Homburg. He did not wish unnecessatilv to bring the names of those illustrious ladies before the Bosse. 'r he planters were unequal to contend with these persons. With regard to the two Priseesses. the Civil List was quite ample to fur nish them with en income. Then again there are pen shuts of %SM. a year to the five Misses Fiticlarenee. Me regretted to be obliged Pp mention it; but after all •111 ut Holm lied done for the Duke of Clarence, they Shoed not have bees called on II any other way. These amd otherhicambrenees ought to be removed from these .islands. In order tnrelleve the West Indians the Go 'torment tax the East Indiesugar, hot they will not give ;wile( by taking away their own peados,. It seemed diet the sugar and rum did nut pay all these pensions, and - lie found an item in the Droste of the Admiralty of 18,0001. ou account of the .te per rent, duties to make up the halence of the pensions. He would mote for that document-at • fitters time, as be could not see there was any right to claim it. If the Heine would not *, the subject, he did not know what the Right Hen. Geo tlemaa could make of reform with his Red Lions and Kings of Bohemia. If the House do not entertain it, the country will see that all places were kept, not as belong , ing to ;Le State, but to a close corporation. He would be glad to see the young Members of the House not is different to it, but recollect the old Constitutional maxim of grievance before supply. The Hon. Gentleman con cluded by reading his resolution. Mr. CANNING mid that the question divided itself Into two parts,—the one the right of the Crown to receive the duties, and the other the right of the Crown to appropriate( them. A motion similar to the present had been made for many years successively, and the we're on which these du ties and their appropriations were held being still the asses there was no stronger grounds for the motion than on former viers. Tin right of the Crown to dispose of these funds iviss never disputed ; even on Mr. Burke's sweeping re- Sees motion, they were specially excepted. The lion. Den leum had specified by name the persons to whom a part of Ent furid was applied. With regard to himself he had bees strictly correct. It was true that when he retired from the slice of Under Secretary of State, he declined a pension of 1,11001., or 1,2005., to which he was entitled by usage and custom. He took the option of giving half the sum to a person who had some claims on him. The Hon. Gentlestais i had given other instances of the application ; but he would remind him that some of the names bad done honour to the country. And he could further remind him, that there were names to be found connected with the Hon. Gentleman him. self. He would consider it to be invidious to do so. After a few other observations, be concluded by stating he would vote against the amendment. . Mr. HUME said the House ought well to consider whe ther, iu the present state of the West India islands, tbe, mentioning individaass..... ___ .sici not don. invidiously. but incident _2ecessary for him to do more than say that • new principle bad been introduced by drawing on the Omits of the Admirsity. We were called en to take up the subject injustice to the West India islands, who called on them by parities, to which the House would tarn a deaf or. They called for relief from a burden at all times, but parti colitis now, when ! nay ore so grievously harassed and op pressed. it always appeared to him to be an impolitic tax. It was denounced by Mr. Burke as the most burdensome tax, becattse it was on produce, and not profit.—Mr. Burka,, who lived by extraordinary accident to receive a pension from 'Cat very fund which be had denounced. One great objection to the tax was, it was unequally *Polled to a fe w I Islands, to the exclusion of all the oth-rs. He agreed with his Hoe. Friend (Mr. Hume) that the islands Should be re- Bead ell far mate Drafts of the Admiralty went. • The Horse then divided—For the Antendsamt, 33—Noes, I 107—Majorlty, M. On our return to the gallery, Sir JAMES MACINTOSH was addressing the House, and urging the necessity of postponing theßilis for Amending the Criminal Law,which. with the concurrence of Mr.Peec,werepat a to another day. On the order of the day being moved for the House to go into a Committee of Supply, Mr. HUMP: said that before the motion was agreed to., be felt it necessary to call the House to the contents of • paper that had been laid on the table some days before,. giving an account of the expences of the Coronation. Them were two circumstances connected with that paper, which' he should notice. One was the length of time that hod elapsed before the atmoust was laid on the table—the othq . was, the enormous excess of the sum above the 'Mime* that had been made at the time of the ceremony in quceion. It was then stated that the expense would be about 100,0001. and now according to the paper on the table it amounted to 918,0001. If the House quietly acquiesced in charges fo r much exceeding the estimates, it was mere folly to call fee, any estimate at all. After such a waste of money as had, appeared by those items to have taken place, the Homme l ought not to vote one shilling, until a full and satisfactory explanation was given respecting them. Accuetomed as the House had been to take the word of the Chancellor of the Exchequer, they mast feel it a most extraordinary thing that there should be so great a deviation from the estimate he had given in the year 1590, and it was their duty to ask what right any Minister had to apply a shining of the public money to any purpose. without a specific clause of appro priation in an Act of Parliament. Some of theitmos in clues lion were so enormous, as to call for an immediate inquiry. There was • sum of 111,000/. for decorating tee Hall sod the Abbey. This was one among other proofs that Ministers did not know the nature of what they had undertaken, and it was necessary for the House to know how the money had been expended. There was a sum of '''t.7ool. for his Majesty's Coronation Robes—(ileer); and after so profuse an ex penditure. he asked what use eras there to discharge and cut down the small salaries of poor clerks in public 0d11.',1 ces.—(Hear, hear.) Why, if his Majesty bad he n cloth 4 ed in gold from head to foot, the expense could not Laos amounted to half that snm. It was said that the King had a diamond Crown. He (Mr. Hume) bad no objection to that bauble ; but be understood that it had been made up eighteen months before the Coronation, sod that it had not been purchased for the purpose, but mere ly supplied by the jeweller for the occasion, and that the motley for the use of It had not yet been paid. This watt a fit subject for inquiry before a Committee ; ind it wee also fit to inquire whether a large sum had not been take. for the Coronation from other public sources. There was one item in the paper which mast excite the astonishment of every body—it was 3,0001. to Sir George Nayler, for pahltshing an account of the ceremony. If that ce remony was worth handing down to posterity. it might be left to the historian to do so. But those to whom es pies of ceremony bad been given should have paid for themod the psilic ought not to have been saddled meow. If the first estintate made in that be aim late Chancellor of the Exchequer had been Ihf 138,4001. the Meuse would not hive agreed to it Thee the sum foci. snuff-boxes to Foreign Ministers was • s annece.welry aid wasteful txrediture of public money. Ministers bad no right to sanction the expendi ture of a single sum which was not in the Appropnatioo Bill. It was a breach of faith to do so. The Hon. Mem ber next alluded to the sum received as an indemnity from France, the only plirt of which that bad been brought to account was 500,000/ ;after all the boasts made by Ministers respecting that sum.. Had the House been differently constructed from what itoow was, Ministers would deserve to be impeached for their waste ful extravagance. The sum to be paid by France, as in demeity, was five. millions ; of this a large portion was to be given to the army. To this he had no objection.— But what he complained of was, that the sum received bed not been applied to the public service, and he trusted the House would notsaoction the application of so great a sum as 233,0001. to the Coronation. He concludedhy moving a resolution, That it was expedient to gppoiat a select Committee, to inquire into the expenditure of so 1 large a stun for the Coroaation. before any supply Was grantea ; and to inquire why. so large a stun as 13 1 3,0001. above the estimate bad been applied, without being'pre vionsly noted by Parliament. • 1 The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER thought it would hare been fair in the Honourable tientleman to have given notice of his intention to being forward this qnestion. And as no such notice was given, be (the Chancellor of the Exchequer) was not prepared to pre nit explanation as to the separate items to the paper. lint 'as to the expense itself, the House ought not to be sur prised at the excess of it, above the estimate, when it Jess considered that the Coronation bad been put off for a whole year, after the estimate was made. When his Right Hon. Predecessor in office, proposed a vote of 169,0001. for the expenses of the Coronation, it was ins. possible for him to state with accuracy what the expense was likely to be. No ceremooy of the kind bad occurred for 60 years before, and it was impossible front any refer ence to the expenses incurred so far hack, to calculate the probable amount of the expenses likely.to be incurred by another Coronation. No human being could make `out the estimate before hand. The House must recollect, that wiles 100,0001. was mentioned as the probable ex pense of the Coronation, the idea was wonted by Oriole men on the other 'side ; some of whom declared it would amount to halt a million, and others to one million. Not hsving been aware of this motion until be was entering , the Kongo that evening, be was not prepared to give an explanation as to particular items. The Hon. Gentleman laboured under a great mistake as to the fend out of which the expenses wete paid, for the 500,0001. paid by France, had not been appropriated to any particular putt. pose. No part of the indemnity money had been appro. petered by Parliament. A sum of 2,0e0,0001. was given to erect fortifications in the Neth •rlands, and a large gam applied to the maintenance of the army In France. An this WAS dome by the authority of the Crown and not by Parliament. If any part of it had gone to defray the .expenses of the Coronation, there would be no better application of it. and it was unjust to charge Ministers with any improper application of the money. Colonel DAVIES said it was impossible not to feel the greatest indignation at the enormous sum&oxpended for the Coronation, for the year Iltil ; the Chancellor of the 'Exchequer in answer to a question put by himself, said the expenses of the Coronado' . might exceed the 100,0001. by a' very small sum ; - that it would be so trifling as not to be worth noticing. As to the indemnity money received from France, he hoped the Chancellor lof the Exchequer would soon lay before the' House an ac mount of the wanner in which it had been expended and appropriated. - The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said he had no objection to lay before the House the appropria ion of the five millions. . ' . paper expenditure of public mo'.ey. Mr. CURWLN thought dui a notice should be eiveq of the prevent motion. If it were pressed to a division, he could not vote for it. Mr. BROUGHAM said the expenses were - most shock ing ; and he wished his Hon. Friend would give notice of his intention to move for an inquiry into them. 17e admitted the necessity of splendonr at a Coronation, in.t it was most shocking to think it should amount to so . large a suns. He nndersteod the Crown Jewels were hired of a jeweller ; and if so, he wished to know air so large a sum as 24001. was charged for the decora tions of his Majesty. Any Minister ordering each in expense as this unght to ,he !made to pay it nut of hill coon pocket ; and he should support any Bill brought in for that purpose. A most serious inconvenience be sides, bad arisen to the administration of justice, by the removal of the Courts at Westminster Hall previous to the Coronation.—lle alluded to the separation of the Courts, which, though it should seem to be an inconve nience to the profession, was yet eventually an evil to the suitors. And even as regarded the bar - , their con venience should not be u .l for they were con• lamed in the administration of justice. He wished to ask, whether it was nut possible that the Coorts shquld be united. There were several of the Courts in which the same order of 114tristers practised, such as tie Courts of Common. Pleas aqd Nine's Bench, and the transfer of these learned persons from one Cosset to another was a greatevil. At present, by the distance, ith which the King's Bench was situated from Wesstoin• star Hall, gentlemen o the profession had to peas through a large open street, and two church-yards.—(A laugh.) In addition to these inconveniences, the Court of King's Bench itself held its sitting in the Westmin ster Sessions House only by courtesy of the Magistrates sod at such times as they chose. The Courts of Cotr.- soon Law and Equity, too, were now entirely separate. All these he mentioned as arising out of the derange. menus caused by tote Coronation. But whilst the Court. of Justice were thus r•cglected, large sums of money were expended upon the entrance to. the House of Lords, which was; used only once a year. Upon the taste *kW which that new addtttien seas nude, he should only Say, that bad as Ft was, it was yet superior to the buildings" , which it was surrounded. One-third of the money laul out on this piece of architecture, would have raised teen.: porary badly gs in Westminster-hall, convenient enough to remove the complaint which now existed against the Courts of Justice. He should vote for the Committee. Mr. BRIGHT said- he could not look Spon the applica tion of this money from France otherwise titan as a most serious and constitutional question.—(Hear.) Ile ho?ed that when the matter was brought before the House It would receive all the attention which it deserved. lie was not at all satisfied with the explanation which his Majesty's Minis ten had given upon the subject, for he should tell them that the Revenues of the Crown were the property of the people. and that they should not be dispenseciwithout their consent. Sir FRANCIS BLAKE said he ways sorry that we had come to such a pass, the' a moiety of the expenses of our King's Coronation were obliged to be defrayed by the French.—(A Leigh.) The expenses of that pageant must have been 'notelets, for the public had accounts of them hither to only in scraps. Be hoped that one day or other these accounts would be entirely made out, and then the worlds might sayfinis Connect epos.—(Load laughing.) Mr. 1110BHOUAE said that it appeared the whole of the expeoses of the Coronation bad been paid by the French. Being upon his legs, he wished to ask whether Gentlemen at the other side bad any intention of bringing in a BULL. , renew what was called • 6 Ponsoaby's thet,"- selieh presented the taking of fees at the renewal of commissions on tie de mise of the Crown? He had understood that the Hon. Member for Peterborough (Mr. Scarlet) had, determined to bring forward this measure; but, probably, he was turned aside froth it, through delicacy. at the reports which pre vailed respectirg the King's health. He hoped, however, that the ides was not gives up. Hat also expressed a lope that, &het.** mach hack been expented to onesieg the 'rho - dews of Weetiataster Hall, they would not bestial. block ed op. The Hesse then divided, when there appeared—For the Committee. 6.s—Aealost it, 110—Majority, 46. Mr. HUME said, I,3l39l.cherged for the Royal Standards of the Foot Guards was improperly kneaded in CI vil Contin gencies. Mr. LUSHINGTON said, the Royal Standards were ex cepted from the Civil List. . Mr. BERNAL found a charge of 3,13./i. for Mr. Plaskett,. Inspector of Aliens. Tiset service had been already pro vided for in the Miscellaneous Estimates of last Session.— l'lpe tern of 1,0001. was also voted for the same Mr.Plaskette "11 t. ARBUTHNOT said he believed the sum the Hon. .Member adverted to was le the Estimates of last year ; it WWI voted. but not appropriated. Mr. HUME wished to know in what Ablation the Wider Establishment et Berbice stood. i Mr. LUSHINCTON said if the Hoe. Member would re-' for twthe Treasury Minute, he would find that no pains had been spared to get rid of that properly. • "'lgr.BEßNALwished for some explaoati nit on the subject. ) Mr. GOULBURN said the Whiter Establishment origl- By heleaged to the Dutch Government. The estates were Yen back to the Dutch with the exception of the Winter bUshment. It consisted of artisans who were slaves. Mr, 'HUME expressed a hope that the slaves would, ibil entounsitted rather than remain an expence to this country. Mr. HUME then said he came to the most objectionable item. The manner in which they were going on with Fo reign Diplomatic expellee was most absurd. Every thing wassdede at the head quarters of the Allies, and our Arabes ,sadors might as well remain at home. lie adverted to the eepence of 10001. for plate at Petersburg. The outfit of .16001. for Mr. Wynn. sent to the Swiss Cantons. Ile lute. elitted that Ilan. for clothes to a Geotleman sent upon a Is 4:naive mission was too mech. The amount this year was 411,4451. for extraordinaries t. Ambassadors. Ile contended that a complete revision of the expence of Ambassadors wit necessary. He concluded by moving to reduce the sum of 150,0001. to 107,2011. Mr. Secretary CANNING said he did not . deny any liononrahle blewber the right of fair inquiry, at the saes *se he telt that a departure from the rah of Perlis .usentary inquiry had been exceeded. With respect to the plate, he could as-tire the Hoo. Member that sitte r ;Nib tbe piste had been considered the property of the 'Gown; the Antbaseadors only had the nee of tr. Us irate of outfit was settled in 1816, and the scale laid doss 'html never been exceeded. In some instances the Deft Iliad been withheld. The bargain between the Ceewa and Parliament with respect to the civil List had beg observed. The expenses were withia the terms of that ;bargain. and whilst they did notexceed the assountvetesl , thy Parliament it was useess for any Member to call foe particular details. , Mr. LENNARD supported the motion. Tife House then divided, when there a ppeared—Fe the Orl ginal Motion 70; For the Amendment 16—B t jority 54. X 2,000 were then proposed for Captain Mae", la re muneration for his services. Mr. HUME spoke a few word', we qnderstoods ga s ! the vote, and moved that the Chairman should reps) progress. CURWEN opposed Mt. Hense's motion. The House then divided, when there appeand —For Ithe Motion 58 ; For M. Hume's Amendment 16—Ws' 'jurity 42. • MetkatERVEY then moved again that the Chairetwe should report progress. The }louse itntnediately divided, when there IPP earta —For the Motion 35; Against it 30—Majority J. The Meuse then resumed, and the Chatrmaa rep r" progress, and obtained leave to sit again Tue other Orders or the I)cy being (listened a r c tile Haw adjourned at a Quarter to Two o'clock. • THE STATIN MAN:. ... lif • fnether Inq W iiirn do amm .1191. f. i aelrialive it. He hope , hope that the 0411 would odlttee t inkel • ma noterietett with the West • ay, hp voting for the motion, dent Session. . ~. - ' ' '' '' "4 - relief. - Mr. MONCK objected to a basti - ceurse, siA was a mt. BROUGHAM said that opinion that, before the Bill passed, an inquiry should be Her. Friends ; though mention tariff into the operation of the Poor Laws on oir Mans- m ussily done, he did not dos farturers generally. He was a friend to _the principle Of ally. ss lt was unneceary for h . . • 1, 64.. . - v• *Pk_ V -7 id atetafh 1 il • :Mr. HUME said he bad that day, at four Acitsent India i p wild 0 Alk to the Chancellor of the Exchequer a notice of his intrn• they would Bite all INNPlial Von to bring this subject forward. the quite agreed with both Mr. BENNETT declared it as his opinion that the . .t... InAtAA•sla_ .._.M«-items contained in the paper constituted a most wicked _ ... i . • I . ' I • . / •I P c I M e • a tl sl AI 44 at Al • AI •• Si bl Cl e ie iN 4i °I • 9 1 4. .tis ..