The Statesman. — London, England, 1819-12-03 00:00:00

TILE STATESMAN. mo nad to bare been trained in the nee of arms. for denim the Hens soy lug* es the present occasion, 1 , caul se of using these arse against the State, seethes , opportunities would ewer for debating the t u t to itolf constituted an nett act of high trines. mesaure In detail. Gentlemen bad talked •1 coed tbadilhealty tees, to bring that home so the minds liatory measures. gourmet' were most antlers I. o f a j u ry. Though every person might be morally unitises all the respectable and most loyal part of ~a ti eced of the object end intention ;1 the offender, the commonly ; bet to attempt to conciliate those the ( Welty still was great to brio, the crime home . whose object was noshing lees than the overthrow of spied him son to make him sensible to a Court of the C=0006681, and the destruction of all property, j oo ie Tho lbject of the law n ow p ro p osed was to: would only be to display a weakness which tune p ow, WOOS flows !tinting or Wog liaised unless; draw on the Gammen unwept, sad give to die, dna ) .hostel previnaisly procure licence from the proper 1 disaffected and designing encouragement. Ile e e l . sot b,,,,ty. This measure appeared to I.im so resins. I eluded by amain the snood reading of the Bill. able and so secessery, as t• be is little danger of meet. I Mr. LYTTLETON entreated himself bound bp tog s oy objection The nest measure be would advert the state of the eeentry to support the Bill. Ile Out le ass, t st for accelerating trials for misdesseamiter. Into many severe observation ugliest the Radial R. As dm laas steed at present, a person accused slight foram, whom be domesimated es traitors and p‘f is trial for two years. This wes a per of rebels agate= the State. A pest conspiracy waisted the eiti is* of the land, which remised unchanged. in the moony, that et.eld not be pet down by the I, r ays • f civil actions, she law was the same; but ordinary operations of the law. He • neld ask the the &la) havisag hewn found unjust, the law was re. Hasse whether Meetings had net taken place tweet iptile d , an d a ll that w a s wow a molaril was to amend three yens agoobat bed threatened tbeConstitetios the low in cases of misdemeanour. The law was so the country ? These Meetings bad slaty ben repressed ma ntra asset tonne room for the slightest Infriege. daring the tisanes's, of the Habeas Canoe AM; ; no oo t he right of the amused, se far is for ell fair and when that Sespension ceased, the Meetings had purposes. The law dial not rerydre the party to go been renewed, end the intention to affect a revels. to trial at the first Assizes, unless it was manifest lion bad been openly declared. At tbe Minims es that he had ample time to prepsre for bis defence.— Hoeslet Moor, a Resolution had twee carried din It was an importset privilege of the subject, thee district Meetiogs should be held for the impose 01 „ cu m before as infeder Curt. to have the power ninths( a general inerrection, 1/0 that the Hosea to remove she cause by certiorari to a superior of Commons should be put down.—[llesr,hurge•t Court, for is sew. ones he might •pprelessod stoat At a Weds, held at Birmingham the Reaoletleme lie would 11r11 remise a fair *rid in the Court below tied bees still more monstrous. and and Sit C. The law plopeeed did not deprive she Wien of Weis. ley bed b e en chosen Legislatuaial Attorney she to that shi b,, bet merely clouted th at she sc ams! seprearat m Parliament. A Meeting eta should mons his ease, is the int Winne, and easier descriptios bad been held at Leeds, and last 0 1 not well Galli • bill was fund by a Jury. As. all onto the Manchester Meetimg. Into tee timer. other eseesere, which was intended as a temper •ry Vans at that Monies he cortelitl) thought that Mini. , Ilavasere, us, she power intended to he give,. to stars wile ballad to booboo aa eitquity A lv a ra w of seising arms. The ',fleece on the Rear! fromilmOrposition)—whicb, he had see doubt, table could furnish strong MOMS for that taw.— would to .. Aegean) houteerahle to the Magistiates B 1 the Magistrates were to h• le power to nd the Yeomanry. As the designs of the disaffected sago am. which 'prated to be keld lir bed per. were moat palpable, skosid a Reg Panting shou la d w be sot en. be pars, and to seise sheen withost evidence. Those silespiate so meet the evil, law l nos which afforded ',ignition of being kept for bad acted. Otbot Meetings had taken place in eons,• im p ose s, awe pate., knaves, and other weapons; swims of misrepresessatiew of wine had occurred et but the Msai.trate, it. other easy.. was set to be se. Muenster. and from the Milks tent by Ministers theorised i• seise other weapons, whitest having tort. to the Yeomanly. The e•se was wade ano far better desire that they were inteoded to i Ajar' and Meech by facts tbas by the papers en she 'vile , though the', the pohlic pee. e. But the e•ia..tie tie rte Magistrate loss, amosared to a east closive proof of a great and was net to he unsoldered es seal.—Mon that seige.P. Unseen/ rowspiraey. By • letter from a Magistrate the party might bring evide.tee before the Magistrate. al Chester. it appeared that there were actually to show iti•l he 144 Woo for on hail purpose ; eebottle for tlllittetion. Ili the decisration of the Lane sod if they were not restored to him, he might appeal eashileGrand Joey, st egoism'', appeared that a desists to It. Quart" iptssotte. where hie east. would be bad liweteiforeend against ttie Ginernment of the coon. shionorty &sided. Reasindiog th e House bat obis try, as the people go some place not only had refuted pio•ar- •114 peewi t ..f a senapoisly saioni, be • pay the bet seen p l c rents to theft landlords. would dismiss is without farther observation.— Inarders existed in the wet of Scott anal, and, from Ile socia l bee cow to say a word starving ac rd of Duke of Ilamiliou's spots, it s ugligest• brught against the Late that on people had been intimidated from .odeers ..? ton. Conon in not resteeinlog the li. tormsag associations in seppr.rt of she Government. bets of the weekly Pron. With respect to himself At Patois", eves the Masai of Religion had personally, he had nothing to my, bet • use nee insetted. As the present law was not sufficient, convinced that if the charge us. Wel t esaasised it semesters mast necessarily be taken to stem the tor. would appear altogether aniegt•fieble. Pattleeler rest of blasphemy and sedition. After the acquittal libets might no &eh' be orlecteil edible the last of Hon, Agee was no chance of she unwise* of Ow pits. of • very bed end even of an titration any Ws for a similat charge in London, and 'hell shunter, which were not made the subject of a antoittal had certainly eontubeird so the =mean of prosecution—bet the evil now complained of burst blasphemy and sedidos. The ease, however, bad spare them se suddenly, end in sorb a torrent, that latterly somewhat changed, and the wretch Goalie It was foetid impeest-IP to check it by the hard of bad been convicted. On the subject of these Meet. the law. Thine libels nose ow so many questions, Inge, the old law was indefinite, as such Meetings and in inch number. as to break doss all legal bar. had sewer bees in its contemplation, and accordingly tiers. If he were ells•d she eau, of this. he would Magistrates had stated it as ineir opinion, that it wee' snow, that be could not develop the whole cause. extremely datiesit to disperse Meetings legally, under It was 'stylising with what rapidity the &chilies of the canting laws. Ile wished to God that the turbos keellies and sedition had spread in the course of the lent could bare been pat duo in good time by the last two te.is. It was net for him to gives decided due enforcement of the 'listing laws, so that tb= *plains as to Ihe noses of the evil ; bat if he might pro. Ilene might immediately enter open it whitest I sew• to hazard one, he should say a great spar bed losing the dignity of its character by so doing. Ile' bees. L iven In is by the corconistancn attending the bed discharged a painful duty its laying before the rented.= ofe penes teemed lion.. That person was Hoe= the reasons which iuduced him to support tried for the publication of a work es which there the proposed mentor's. Ile thought, however, could be Int en opinion. It had since been derided that the additional powers which sere to be vested to be a most Wahl vvvvv libel, and a poison who had with the Gogernment, wend be less effectual io the published it bed been sentenced to imprisonment.— kends of Ministers than those of any other persons. however, on acquitted. and tba. verdict of se. —Wear, hear! from Lord Castlereagh ]—Her as vino' ass certainly hailed with joy as a triumph by stated the Noble Lind that he did not mention it wee individuals of high respectability. A sebserip. as a circumstance of congratulation—but he could lien one set on foot for Hour, which raised him from net help thinking that the promotion of the Noble estate ..r abject penury to comparative aillsente Lord is tie Councils of the nation was as enfants. Could Geodesists who had thus aided sod rewarded sate circumstance. Ile did not mean to assume what Ibises'', with any propriety blame Government fur had bens charged on his Right Honourable Friend. not Katie`` institend ether prevention. With re. that the Whigs would have very far esceeded him.— speck to. The present Bill, he should proceed to state He thought rather, considering the (balconies which Its provisions, and hem, for the present, be would Ministers had brought on the country—[dear, peso over the question. regarding the right dohs pee. hear!)--and the weakness of human nature — pie to meet is may sebner, toil allow that right. lie (Laughter)—that the Whigs would be of more use bad 11. desire to minis that right ; the people to the State in their present places than they could be might shill continuo to meet, if they could obttio in those of their political opponents. He thought the the semetion of the lord kleetenent of the Coos. advancement of the Noble Lord who held the office ty, the Snail, or the Greed Jury; without the of Home Secretary, another disastrous circumstance saticsion of some use of these Authorities, they In the arrangements of the Cabinet. There was were sot to be allowed to meet; bet what snide' in the talents of that Nobleman, whatever vivid be the character of a Meeting. to which might be his private worth, to warrant his els. this sesetion amid not be obteind ? Bat even, sup- Yellen ; his conduct had born uniformly rash and pose the people failed to obtain that eartzties, they eines! ; be bed brought contempt and disgrace on sight meet iodepudest of such mention is their the measures of Government ; his judgment was ill respective parishes or districts. He know It bad soiled to his situation. The lion. Gentleman eon• bees urged against the measure, that it was made • eluded by supporting the motion. general and set a local =rosary; but could the Mr. MACDONALD could not leave the House evil he called local, which inland to a certain withest expressing bis opines en the measures propos. extent in the Metropolis, is Yorkshire. la Stafford, ed them. He objected to the inflamed statement of the In Warwick, is Lancashire, is Cheshire. awl la Minuends end Lensed Gentleman opposite (the Scotland ; and whkh, he believed, if repined in Solicitor-General), who travelleddiscovere in his nothi ercoment ell these pines, would soon, under a local messere, from London to Glasgow, and d ng in bteek oat semewheir else? Ile also know that any man's face bet seditihn and blasphemy. Had Mi. that there was another objection to this mesas; sisters limited their demands to soon regulations for namely, that it was mad. • permanent, and not a preventing nightly tbilliog, things really 'editing'', he temporary measure. Nanette, to this objection, he should hinnies prepared, after due deliberation and would Hy. as be had said of the measure heii.g made ! sufficient p roof el the case requiring them, to allow Ideal. The evil against which the present Bill was to such additional posers as would serve to visor, the guard, slight be recent, in its present shape, but if • public tranquillity. Its thin, however, nit appeared to Gentlemen would on.y look to the transactions of the 1 him, they bad entirely failed. In the speech of the last 20 ' t ears, they could out bet see that the feeling ; Snlicitor4etteral was most important mod was of eery long 'lending, and could only he cuted rave admission. It was allowed by him that all the by a permanent a. . The only remaining pro- vigorous measures bithetto adopted to prevent the litettill if the Bill, was that which related to persons levils complained of bad (tiled, notwithstanding the going aimed to these MPrlitigl lie was porseaded great eacroschmeats on popular rights which had hem any stgument ors this head Wel unnecessary, the Hues, allowed for that purpose, •Ittl althoogh that tight could not fail to see the exit with which such a vac. had Items suspended for upwards of tsetse months, tire 11:11 11111411111,11. To present such Metoiogs could ' otthoot which no Englishman mild consider himself nut he sonis,:ereif as an inee.too of t he sight' of the frer. All their efforts, it was now admitted, were Ve n t io ; sorb a right could newt r helot ezit.ed adder mml.lo to so iutain peace and tranquillity. Thus, he (; , ..eri,s , a4. He had non ether eel 111 sll the sea d, tint sit the messurtra formed) taken had proved P rCtitS9lll of the Bent :it Brad lc vottecetavy to isuulfirittit to reilere the peace of the {4)1113 1 7. The complecrecy with width the prepositions of the Noble Lord had bees received, was a bed augury for the country, sod a at was to be laid on the Press to pay the 12,000 Mee about to be felted. The present Bill would reduce lb* privilege of Widow lag to the limits of 4 Parish Vestry-room. From the slew take, by the Noble Lord of what wee ratio( in those counties, it might by some be eel peas that the measeree mow to be adopted were is cone .aion with those of foreign Petters. That, hawser, he believed would boa calemsty. Distress was the ca.'. of the dheffectioe. The Base ought to emeire Into the whole of the system of meatiest, and should twice& to the well.effected ell that was PM Ilsconsistent with the public good. No sew 100. should be enacted, till it wee aerials that the yaw lag law had beta properly onfortted...-[Cries 4 liter, freer, hear l—Ne owl cesld say it had, who looked to the transactions of the too last years, which had, leased of preeecetioos, been perseett• lions, and of a victim had mode a here ; though, from a recent cave, it opposite', that when a pros*. emir,m was properly losilteled, a Jury would do their duty. The alliance of Hunt and Giddy, the chief of the demagegees with the chief of the fee dlots, had does more to eadeceire the public thaa could be dens by all the acts of that House. 'fitioes could not remain stationery, and, instead of 12,000 more troops, Ministers would soon regale' 21,000. Thetis. might active whoa the Sovereign might have occasion to say to them " Yee have robbed se of my people; sometimes, ?edema, turbolout—but still RogNshmes." Whew the Heiress of Ike Throne was takes sway, was there a dry eye 11l the laud? Wes that a proof of disloyalty, or disaffection? Should the proposed measures naive the assent of that Hove. England might be regarded to have passed for ever she meridian of her glory. Lord LASCELLP:S ezpialeed. Mr. DAVENPORT should support the Bile, es loudly called for by the state of the maoefecteriog districts. The etiologies, if not chested, would spread, though the most distressed were set the most Mr. FAZAKERLY thought it necessary to give Government greater powers le order to check the proceedings of the 'Witless. As the evil was local, so ought the remedy. Bet should as disterbances ' , stead to ether districts, theta a power might be lodged in the hands of the Secretary of State for the Homy Department, epos the ropreteetation of the Lord Lieuteesnt of the comity, to proclaim, as in Ireland. the district to be la a state of disturbance. Mr. Peel and several others reel at the lame time. Then was a load call for Mr. Peel. The Speaker however gave prefereeest to— Mr. CROMPTON, who stated, that be had beard of no disturbances le the West Riding of Yorkshire. Mr. PEEL bad bete prevented by isdisposition from formerly olefin himself to the notice of the Hoes.. With Manchester he was eoenected bp many ties, though he kw, lone of the MagistrdiS personally. Whoever looked only at the sleets of the lath of Angst, took a very imperfect and par tial view of the 'object ; end it was wecessary to look et the state of that coeuty for years, to appre ciate the whole of the triumvirate correctly. The Meeting, indeed, proposed to petition Parliament, sod matched to the grouch with banners, on which the word 6 6 Tranquillity" was 'ascribed, tad the music playlag God save the King. Bet in 1817, telo Meetings had been bold at Manchester, sad el are of them, a resolution bad bees come re, that the Meeting should divide itself into bodies a 10 ens each, for the purpose of peer:studio' to Geodes, I. petition the p d .,. Repot. At tbeeemaed Meeting. hold on the 30th of March, it appeared from the Re. rtft of the Se.ect Committee of the Hoese of Lords, that a general laserrection had been pleased, with the view of seising the Msgistrates, mud murdering the troops. Whoa each designs had formerly bees agitated, were not the Magistrates jestilied in taking precautions? and lard they mot dine so, with what force of eloquence would not their conduct bare been denounced ? It was said the Magistrates might to have prevented the Meeting. Dl &rest bodies 614 or 5000 men matched to the greyed? Could they have been stopped by a few constables ? and the Magistrates had then a tight to send the military eat. Bet ad mitting they bed taken epee them to seed oat the military, and that they had received a check, the con sequences might have bees moat alarming. The Thanks of the Print* Repot were justly doe, and it email have been a most fatal precedent, bad the tarsal course been abaadoned. The Thanks were dee to the Yeomanry. according to the re. port of the Magistrates. What would have Iwo said, if, after the battle of Telef.'', the Thanks of Parliament to the Doke of Welliugloo bud been suspended, on the seppositioe that • coatrary state ment might afterwards be made ?—[l/ear, hear I] — Nothing could be more Patel than to disceerege these who were placed in situations of peat responsibility. It haul been contended, that the measure. proposed by Government were unnecessary ; bat many of the Sr. gement. that had been urged from the other side of the House tended, in fact, to prove its necessity. No greeter abase could take place of the right of petition. lag than bad taken place at those Meetings. At a Meeting held on Ilenslet Moor, one of the itinerant orators told the mob, that the national debt amounted to 100,000 millions; red one of the Resolutions implied that the Saving Banks were to pay the free. tiunal parts of the dieldend. Another of the Retold dons was, that a Meeting should be held for the choice of a 6t person to represent the people of Leeds. It appeared also, by a letter from Lord Fitz oilliam, that the leaders altered the Resolutions to their own liking, and mirreoresenturi what had acts ally taken place. A man, of the case of Murray, in the night previout•the Meeting, had sees 1500 form ed in squares ; he had been permed by them, and 114 been compelled to forswear his allegiance at the price of Isis life. The only appeal he made to them wai t they would not are last worse than en enemy MOON do, should be hate been taken prisoner. It had been stated by Lord Derby, that be bed got Onkel, for one battalion of an Armed Ae. anciation, but that men could not be pr.ucered.— The Doke of Hamilton had been enable to induce the people to olio • declaration of their attsemsent to the Constitution, from the system of intimidation that had he-n adopted. its the menfactering districts a strange change had taken place in the habits of the peottlaad care toast be taken tbas rte cocci of raisin- fortes ion sh.orld , t AP warp than . Seisp of ignaraner. Tub utmost vigilance wee palette.. in present oho disorder' lo the mastsetoring rilorieto beim being traosfetrod In the egricoltord. which *arid In all probability be the MI. shooed ebe prop , aed m be of s local or limp., a y natort.—( Lorsdeseering.) Mr SMYTH (of Cambridge) to Ih• doom of the envoi', mach trathamated ilo ehoold oat 04.11 to a rowdy eoomposoret• to at 4literder ; bet the two propoord was mach worse than Ibil disease. Mr ADERCROIARfE was one of these who thoeght that mom-thing anneld be done; bet ihmt the prepnvel B• 11 *egad eel to be permanent or racial. In the midst of all diffieehfes it untold well t.ernato the linos, to defeod the Coastitotion, and to alto. elate the bertheas of the pe .pt.; bet he osq not wain enough to think that the proves. of opinion tn., to be pot down by the sword. ft was not in limes like thew that Parliament shoed sestina, so abase of power on as part of the hi.givtrates, nor refits* ea enquiry iota their concise. Hp there far. nl.j.eted to gain; loin • Con.inlttet on tMe sale.s woo enquiry were institistird. I Lord A. HAMILTON said, that he did not giro his 'import to his falsj.tity'e Ministers from any con . I bdence is theta, bet from nester demonstration; and from • certainty that same 10011141411 were neressary to repress the spirit which was 'breed to the roentry. At the same time ho conoidotod Ibis spirit to hats been proriored by the distress of the reentry, worked Open by factious sod detigalag sea. He *said veto tie the message, provided it was sot intended to be permsnost. Mr. COKE (of Norfolk) lamented lie course it the people ed Bill, so far as it applied to the &legit. lacy, and lamented the occesienal ezerciss of a pewee oil the pert of a Lord Lieeteemet—s power which he was unjustified in ode'. To show the (smith to which Ale power had bees called, he sensed an instaece la which he bad recommended .time Centimes to be pet in the Commission of the Peace, bet thi L.rd Lies. teuent had rejected the list. Ile (Mr. Cate) t ubes. woody submitted it to the present Lord Chancellor, who, Ist the handsomest manner, pet the Gentlest,* who were rejected by the Lord Deafens.' in the Commission of the Peace, and observed that it was in his breast, sot le the Lieetenset's, that do discretion of appointment restyl.—(Hear, Leer!) —He disliked altogether the discrelineary power for calling public Meetings provided by this Bill. A Sheriff may arose to elevate a Meet. leg, a Magistrate may refine. aid en may a Grand Jury. So 'hot instead of liberty, the people of England may see &valises reared I. the heart of their country. It was his firm °pinball, that Waists's enineraged some of the Meeting of which they eemplaieed, sad with this impressien he meld not eensut to give them farther power, kissing fell weal from the Imperious of the paste the manes' la which they would en for the fetus the mesas la• trusted to them.—(Hurt) Lord FOLKIErONS said, *bat be hoped the ma. jerky of the Howe Weald net agree to a Bill of Ma kind, which went to deprive the people of the porter of Meeting; a power, which, however, tee many et them seemed to be Inclined se glee up. By the pre. mat 811 any of the Nellie Load's (Castlereagh) spies might make she Meeting illegal ; and by satin persons to remain a quarter of an hoer after the Meeting was declared illegal. thereby Wird thews is punishment of transperiatiew. He had received four different access!, of the transactions at Mae. chaster; indeed, when the House considered the difference between the acclaim the Howse bad heard from Honourable Members opposite; add thou furnished by the Manchester Magistrate, themselves, be would uk, whether it would really refuse an enquiry se absolutely necessary In his opinion, teener or later, they most tinter upon that eageiry. A former Meeting was pet a stop to by a Proclamation of the Magistrates; but that was not resorted to, with respect to the Meet ing of the 10th of August ; and if that had bees done, be bed no doubt that Meeting might have beam also prevented. Ile inferred from every thing that was dens at that Meeting, that the Magistrates were determined to seize Hoot in the face of the people so assembled. Is passing these Bills, they were pellieg down the Oslo pillars of the Coestitetion. if le. testigatioe were granted, and proof given, be world be inclined to agree to them sad Ma mach strengsr measures; for really, if the state. masts made by Gentlemen from the distorts's& districts were tree, the state of these parts Ot the comma) , was most horrible. It was a Mato of anarchy which ought sot to twist; but which re. gaited enquiry bef..re it avoid warrant each Met. seas as were now proposed. Mr. PEEL, and Lord FOLKESTONE mutually captained with respect to the sleets at Manchester. Mr. WILSIOT said, that nothing else thee a desire of preserving the reel liberty of the country, couch actuate those who new proposed meeleres which might at first .fight appear to infringe upon the tree liberties of the subject. Every Gentles's', knew that there was not a benefices' agent in (Weft', sot the air we breathe. or the heat that warmed el, bat might be converted into injurious and even dative. tie' agent.. Such was the case with liberty, if per mitted to Picas. Ile mast contend that the present measure was let meant as a destruction, bet as a jealiicatioa, of right. If there was a man more to be detested then souther, it was the man who had attuned to a country he NO so grossly traduced, after raking •p the bones of a blasphemer and ass 'theist, in order to the feeling* of such sets as Vas, who wished a drum to be made of his skin, to affright the enemies of himself and follower'. He sported this Bill, not es a pure and simple geed, but as a balance between evils. Lord Mtt.lON objected to this Bill, es a lignite. lion of the right of Petition ; because be knew not his soon aossAhing new might alarm them; and then, how far they might be disposed still further to abridge that liberty. Besides, this was a Bill to pre. vent all popular Meetings. sleep' ender cattle ob. striations and limitations ; and would prevent all Gentlemen from attending Meetings, to direct the judgment end feeling' of the people aright. le his opinion, it was incumbent on thee to conciliate the people rather than the' they shseld proceed to onset such violent end coercive measures, which must alio. nate their minds and elections from Parliament as I the Throne. • 4 1/4 • • : t4 :41 led Srt l ed Ng, "p "at ken cog , of ide. r t 4 44' eV I OS •In li rjt lie 011 . • t.!