The Statesman. — London, England, 1823-06-27 00:00:00

of the country, I pronounce them to be contrary to C. * And shonld it ever come before me to decide °pop, the question, I should not hesitate to order bi lls of iW dictinent to be sent up to a Brand Jury against those la. dis ideals, members of with an association, wherever I can find the charge properly sustained. I n the North off r 11.! land, those disturbers of the public peace. who assume the name of OrangeYeentenifretttlenXibefatrsanit the mar kets with arms in their hands, tinder the pretence of self defence, or of protesting the poblie pease, but ,with the lurking view of inviting the attacks from the Ribbon men, confident, ;hid, stencil as they. are, they must over- , come defenceless-opponents, and pat theist down. Mut- fliti dere have been repeatedly committed on such occasions; i and though legal prosecutions have ensued, y et such have I • been the baneful conserrenceli df those factious associa- I %ions, that undeutheir influence petty juries have dean* ed, upon some occations, to do their duty. These facts have fallen %miler my own view. It was sufficient to say such a Ina, displayed such a colour—as in the crime of murder or any other heinous crime—(hear, hear) —to pro duce an utter disbelief of his testimony ; or when one • of a different party has-stood with his h and at the bar. the display of his party badge has served to mitigate the murder into manslaughter. With this Orange Associa tion I mix other recollections. and I emphatically state it aelsig settled opinion. that until those 'associations are *i* lir , stlfectually put down, end the arms taken from their , . ~., 4 , its vain will the North of Ireland look for tranquil -4,17- *:. peace."4-(ltear.tietr.) Here there was the miles . t meat table Judge, of great experience,. and a man --. *veld lime no motive to give a false colouring. to the frgitirt co untry —be je was that oaths nought—thatoa th s drai - its litagalWes of the country, who ought to be the pre -*Oen of the Peeee were distracted into violent- parties. Immtnne parts of Irefend i new race of Magistrates, in the ' el•semee of the native Classify, had sprung op, unworthy of the commission of the peace, or of the rank to which they UMW; compdset: of needy adventurers, traders in false loyalty, polittesl pertinent, and jobbers in the estates et the • absentees. The same Learned Judge, in the space of eight yew afterwards, totted no amendment In that soentry. The same crimes were committed with the coonivanee or eneon tagement of the. Magistrates. and thousands of persons were Writentoto a state not far different from rebellion. Having said so mach of the abuses that notoriously existed in the iltiseistreey of Ireland, he would call the attention of the Meuse to the reform which tees attempted to be introduced. It was stated that twelve counties had already undergone the operatitai of a reform In the Magistracy, and much be sefit was mild to hese 'already resulted from that measure. If file refonnatioa of the Magistracy was undertaken in that I tof earnestness of which so much was said, great good, . tiid be,ubt, would follow; but be was informed that no alters .. tt n had 'yet taken plies to justify the expectation of any . , • lb beneficial results to Ireland. He was informed that i ~ from the commission. The depriv ation of such a number ~ gavel proof of tbe evil that before existed, and implied that, - " - - was in operation. But the fact atiseatees—(hear, hear) — light lion. Baronet (Sir G. ( military officers—(hear, description. some of whom id some few by death.—(A , fell under the actual charge the house—just fourteen. — were removed, and those . whom were Rick or dead.— there were Breen e and all of • la another coutity, that of >ved. Among all those he 4 the Rev. Sir Ilareourt•Leos, ' not find that Major Sirr, of Iplained of Mejor Sirr being' 'the peace. (Hear.) If that pee n at all, it was not in the view he committed so many name come within the rules of the 1 lagistrate at the Police Board . end day and night. Mu jess i of his country am. a ver- , in against antudividael in a 4 is impossible to Meteor in Ity and tyranny.. With the I (Major Sandy's)., rebel helm his victim (711 - Hem- I bAt his friend, Villo assisted To Major Sandys he then jailer. On the trial, a fter- A ajor Sirr,-:-Ite dared him to into the jary.bor to deny the oter. Sire declined the chat tiest him a verdict ot Was h This could not, as was . necessity of the Oates. Now years, that saws Major Sire ap ench of justice.—(ltear, hear.)— Wwn aside from the Magistracy by calling In the name of Major lade In Ireland exceed all calm- 1 onvlctions bore no proportios to ' I meliveholy to relate, but it was , s in Ireland were in the proper- 1 commitments in England and 1 be authorities of those several ..lyings, by citing the addj.tional tesdale, whose opinion he need not ' - already quoted in that House,but 1 ' again. In the month of July 1 Learned Lord said." I have . M that ill-fated country for ' 1 (Mr. Brougham) was grieved 1 , ,f that Learned Lord were not issloned speaker—they were not , er, but of one who would rather I 'minim, than speak out,• if the are not enormous. Actuated by tainted, as ae was, with that high judicial situation there, that d might be relied on as good ' said the Learoel Lord, " In country fur twenty years, and sorts orjustice exist in that , t, and another sort of justice lly ill-administered."—(Hear; ipposed that Lord Redeidale was to complain. The system was now louder than ever, yet it ex- He would state some facts in authority good enough of H ired to warrant an inquiry, than loble Lord, who was Lord Chan it even if the Noble Lord had swot I show the House that he ought to they were true. It was not a Juries were selected in the corpo 'eorporators only—the everlasting •ere chosen. Asks Dublin for in . to the late memorable instance coasts. Tne Sheriff was the creature i selected him, end be was selected td all the prejudices of that body.— ease of Sheriff Thorp which came would take out of that proceeding a iii the examination of one of the IRenemers, one of those witnesses, would recollect, some quesillos by .sumgh, with a stew to mace 114 ere .stions was, whetlter thewititess had invtrsation with a td4brShirifor Dub. rit to peek a Jury I Mr. Mummer . * years ago he was professionally en 'As!. Before the trial his client gave iends, and begged of him to try li ive those on his Jtery, and that Im in case be did so. He was then fed to bribe the Sab-Sheriff? The Aire I did communicate the wishes 1 into-Sheriff. Being asked what the I a.t communication, the witness re r the exact wordsto my recollection, he could not comply,- even if lie question having been taken up by he panel wrald be returneit (rein the sac sent.—Being puked whether the 44', • t - Kab-Sheriff rejected the bribe, the witness answered, • ,he Old not get it. finestlon-a-Why old be not. get ?. Answer—fleiiisse he did not do I - bit was wanted.-4A laugh.) From thatevidence of a respectable Solicitor of 'Dublin, it iris eTear.the practice of bribery to Sub-Sheriffs to pack a Jury was quite common. Would bribery to pack Juries to acquit of forgery he tolerated in this coun try ? The Sheriff who would take a bribe to pack a Jury to acquit a person charged with forgery—he would not say such a man could be bribed so toe vict the innocent--but would he not be easily influenc ed in the trial of political offences? He would not say that particular Sub-Sheriff would do it—he did not nadse the individual; in fact, he did sot in that case take the' bribe, bat there were before the House the answers of respectable solicitor, from which the House could well infer the idea of the supposed—supposed among the Irish solicitors—possibility of packing a Jury. Would not such a supposition produce horror in the minds of the practi tioners of the law in this country ? Even if some of them coiceived the idea of such practice, would they talk of it so familiarly as Mr. Mummers did in that House ? Au other practice existed in Dublin, and of that also be could produce evidence. The Sheriffs of Dublin usually re ceived a guinea from each of all those who were liable to be called on to ierve on Juries, for the purpose of having them excused from such attendance.—(Hear, hear,) But those who did not please to pay that guinea were obliged to serve. The rich were excused, while the poorer were obliged to act as Jurors. But this practice was not confined to Dublio. • It was also known in other parts of Ireland, where the price of exemption was half-a-guinea.—(A were ugh the most eompeteat to sit on Juries.—(Hear.) Be sides, the injustice that might be the consequence of ignorance, at all events, and to say the least of it, the practice was most indecent.—(Hear, hear.) Another *base in the administration of justice, of which he could produce evidence at the bar of that House was, that the King's writs did not run equally to all the King's :objects in Ireland. A man against whom there was a writ out, made his regular bargain with the Sheriff. He would nu -1 dertake to pay the Sheriff all his costs, as if themes - it was actually executed, provided the Sheriff gave him notice of the writ being put into his hands. That was the bar gain between the Sheriff and the rich man ; but the poor man not paying, the writ wad regularly executed on him. This was not an overcharged statement. It was actually proved by the evidence taken before the Committee sitting op stairs only two days ago. In the examination of an attorney before that Committee, he was asked if there was any difficulty in recovering debts in Ireland. He said this practice existed in the office of the Sheriffs through, the country, and that there was no possibility, of recover ing debts. He was of opinion, that the practice was con.' fined to that race of persons who were called gentlemen fa Ireland. and pervaded the whole country, Dublin and part of Cork excepted. The Sub-Sheriffs were in the ibeatent habit of sending notice to those gentlemen far whom they received writs to serve on them, taking oar* to be previously secured in their fees and charges The witness having been asked if there was an y dif ficulty in recovering debts of the poorer people, answer sit, that be considered the Sheriff obtaining no favour of them did not notice them.—(Hear, hear, and a laugh.) It was the interest of those persons to give speclialties, because the writs on them were sere to be executed. Ono:practice wac reserved for We lower classes, an eithei-for the rich (the Sheriff declining to proceed on do *tits against them), or as lord Redesilale said, eU NW of justice was for the rich, another for the poets both equally ill-administered 4 such was the ease in the law departments of the, administration of justice. But there was soother catamount evil. It was tautest int ifsible that the edges of the higher tribunals co uld free from"..l partiality . They were raised from a re- I igious parry, and still belonged to a sect, to which all offices, emoluments, and all promotions were con fined. They belonged to that favoured class to which the .iberiffs also belongedr--the Sheriffs, who all were more or less concerned in packing Juries. When the House considered that they had evidence of the daily practice of the Sheriffs of taking bribes to prevent the execution of justice, it would not be difficult to infer - the practice with other authorities. With the judicial Bench of Ireland be had no acquaintance. He tally saw that which, in a Judge, he thought highly indeco roue. A Judge ought to be a person of a solemn and decorous habits—he ought to be guided by the strictest impartiality—be should preserve himself free from soy mixture in civil dissensions and political parties. ' A Judge, mixing in the low tactics of party partiality, ought to be removed, as a mixture of that sort struck at the root of all dignity, all impartiality, and that de cency and gravity that should be inseparable from such dignified Magistrates, and disqualified them front exer cising carefully the sword of justice. lie considered Lord Norbury—whom, by the privilege of Parliam-ut, he had a right to name, as well as lie had a right to name Irish Sheriffs and Attorneys—no just Judge ought to object to the mention of his name—and no Judge would be just. if the practice of forbearing to allude to him, from respect to his situation, were to be eolith' nued in that House. As lung as Judges were men, they would be liable to error, and would perpetrate un worthy acts, as long as that House dare- not inentioa them—be considered that Judge, whelp he had named; one whose practices brought disgrace on the Judicial Bench. It was now a year since he had read in that House a letter written—he assumed that, for it was not contradicted by the late Attorney-tieneral for Ire land, Mr. Saurin, to that learned Lord—a letter which Do Judge ought to 'allow to be written fo him. No Judge should allow—coine it from whom it would — such a letter to be written to him without meeting with a flash of indignation—come it from a friend, the writer should no longer bear that honoured appella tion. it was now a year : since he brought that letter before the notice of the House. The Attorney-tieneral, Saurin, denied it nut; Lord Norbury made no answer — he did not say with an honest and honourable indigna tion that he was above censure, and that be ivarentla whose conscience secured him from insult. No answer was made in this country, and if there was an answer. In Ireland, it mast hive transpired hither. It would teem by that letter that Lord Norbury jobbed on circuit —(hear) —and was sometimes called on by the firet law officer of the Crown in Ireland, to prostitute his high offices to the purposes of law faction. The Atternee.tle neral, Mr. Saurin, to writicg to Lord Norbury, took leave to'extract part of a letter white from another Noble Lord, s aying, " As Lord Norbairsoitolour circuit, and. as lie is personally acquainted with ite gentlemen of our county, a hint to him may by of use. He is in We habit of talking individually to them in his chamber at Phillips; town; (a habit, said Mr. Brougham, more honoured' in the breach than in the observance)—" he is •in the habit of talking individually to them in his priesth ehamber in Phillipsto aro, and if be wete to impress ed them the consequences of the measure, vis, that, ho ever, they may think otherwise, •the Citholics w0u .. 14, in spite of them, elect Cathol ic Members (if such San eligible); that the Catholic Members would then have the Damnation of the Sheriff's, and in many in t estines, perhaps, of the Judges, and that the Protmeauts woodsi be put in the back ground , a s th e Catholics were former. 1 - v.' Wise Chief Justice, said the lion. Member. to in trigue in that manner an d: to sully the purity of justice, of a Lich be ought to be the ornament? " I think (eon- Outwit the letter) he would bring the effect. of the mea sure (that was the emancipation of the Catholics) home to theiuselyes, and satisfy them that they could acarrely submit to live la the country if it were passed, That If therProteshint lief Semen who have votes and interest would gird those metal *tubas to uutterstuad that if they will rumble Catholic cotes; thil t . by betraying their country int its Constitution they shell infallibly lose theirs, it would alter their conduct, though it could neither make them honest nor respectable?" So far for . Lord. Blank's letter,said the Hon. Mernber,and then read the subjoined advice of Mr. Sauna to Lord Norhury— ," If you will judicious administer a liule of this meth tine—(Load laughing ) to the King's Comity, or any other Members of Parliament that may fall in your way, Ton will deserve well." • . • • • • He would add Lord Norbary!e newest joke as it appeared la the Dublin papers. That Learned Lord used his joke with a view to refeet on a Right Hon. Gentleman of that House (Mr. Canning), and in order to come at his joke, so much dearer was to bin his jest than justice—(a laugh)—for the sake of that jest he refused a rule which was applied for, add which he ought to grant as a matter of course. The eye was this—a barrister having been told by a military eSeer that what he said on some occasion In Court was false, Odd having been menaced by him, a motion on behalf of the barrister was made in the Common Piens, for a rule for a criminal information against the officer. To this application a compliance with which was a matter of course, Lord New bury, the Chief Justice, said, " l remember a time when, if the words were addressed to me, I should not have been at • loss in supplying an Llamado. Why, you petty fellow, do you come to me (the Chief Justice meant), you know that he wants to fight you—go. you coward.' The phrase has eertaluly something of a gladiator sound.—(A laugh.) No man respeets the law more than L do, but great allowance is to be made for the chivalrods propensities of the men of the sword. They don't, as Hamlet says in the play, set their ' lives at a pin's fee.'—{A laugh.) The House, said the r Hon. Ittrainber, °bur* the ribaldry,of the Chief Justice to cosne - ai his jokeT-tei make the people laugh. "On the other hoard, the Gentlemen of the Bar have a repugnance to arrest laugh)—qbat fall sergeant,' death.' From which pro fessiob the tonsorial bard dtew his illustration, I shall leave to the commentators—Cedani arma togce was good Latin and good law ; but I am a friend to conciliation, and shall give a triumph to neither .party."—(Lood end continued laughter.) In the newspaper from which he read that jest, be found it was said to • be followed by ,load laughing— load laughing in • Court of Justice! Wht teat was the object, and it was for the sake of that laugh his poor brother barrister was refused his rule. After that the Noble Gerd added " no , illuilen."—(A laugh.) —These jests were unfit for the gravity of a' Judge. He (Mr. Brougham) venerated the- bench: he had the highest regard for the• body to which he belonged. He appealed to his professional brethren, and to the Judges themselves, whether he ever showed any dispesition to trifle in a Court of Justice. Ifs revered the Judges so long as they respected themselves. but when he found a Judge sub stituting intrigue for jestice, and sacrificing right for the sake of ribdidry and silly jests, and that in a man who was sot above being tampered with by n Crown lawyer, his ve- • aeration for such a man was gone ; his respect, his pa tience even was gone. With all men ie and out of the pro fession, with whom he discussed %it subject, there was sat one sentiment of disgust at that attempt to make a Judge a low intriguer. He trusted Lord Norbury did not 'lend himself to the attempt; but there was ho proof that he re coiled at the proposal. In the Civil Bill business in Ire land there was the same perversion of justice. In the Re venue Boards men set to decide cases of forfeiture to which they were by no means competent. lie feared he had ex hausted the patience of the House, but not his subject.— The reckoning was long delayed, but the authors of those abuses,though late, would one day have to render an account of their stewardship. Ungenerously this country ever acted' towards Ireland—when all tits favours Ireland could bestow were exhausted, when her movers were expended. when England refused to grant her any further boon. In the day of danger, when the peace of the country was threatened by a foreign enemy, partial asaistenee was granted ; but when the war ceased, and difficulty aud (Wager was at an end, ail consideration for Ire:aod terminated, rind she was left to eau aed despair. Ireland, with a soil, fertility itself— Ireland with a climate temperate and bountiful Irelaini, with every natural blessing, possessing a peasantry skilful, active, and patient—with all the benefits which Nature and Providence so liberally '.poured out upon her, was, from its connection with this country, de graded end unhappy. The people of England had been , Its conquerors at one period—they were its stewards fer many years. It was an object worthy of their tittpution.. bat oever of 'heir kind or amiable solicitude. If it was so far • short thee, it was only at those periods when they *ere in jeopardy, and their own safety at hazard. They bad received strength from Ireland—they had raised the edifice of their own glory with its assistance ; but the I happiness or prosperity of Ireland never seemed to be an object either for their liberality or their gratitude,— (ileac, hear.) They only sought to make it a safe pos session, and by a system which was a disgrace to tneir annals, by such Acts as that aanually repeated, of a hich they should one day render an account, and which poste rity woukl regard as a black add disgraceful Act. These were the modes taken to keep down a populatiOn to whom existence was rendered rather a cuise than a blessing—on whom the bounty of Nature, the salubrity of climate anti their genial soil were thrown away. These were corn plaints of bad usage not made up for the occasion. The 4 people of Ireland again repeated their appeals for jus tice ; they say they have been treated unjustly—they offer to prove it at yo u r bar —they have proved it before in s t a irs. They have proved that as•jastice i a s C rt o nt ti i m n it it tee ngl iV and sold to the rich or withheld front toe poor, though it.may be occasionally delayed, in it h not only sold . to the rich aud refused to the poor, I ' .but that it is to all classes delayed. Tnere was the state in which that country was found, and to w hich the hotiet of Lord. Redesdale was directed. It was ' in vain hides.: guise the troth: they were on the brink of a precipiel on which be dared scarcely look. They must either go total ruin, or he made better after one short interval And he prayed to GOD that an interval may be granted, " low that chance of making them better to be secured.— For if it be granted (and as was often the wise before) that it was taken advantage of, and that nothing.wis dine, there was a fearful crisis approachiag; which he could nut at that moment venture to dwell upon. He might be. wrong. He might be : told thathe was speaking the lin gnage of the petitioners—that he declaimed under thein.;, MIMICe of powerfol and exaggerated feelings. But if he was wrong,. he erred with all nature. He eyed with the spirit - of the British' C o nstitution—he erred with Oil authority of all great men in British history-;-- aad if he was wrong, he erred with nature and with the decrees of Providence which has denoanced punishment to tbe tyrant and, the oppressor.—(Hear, hear.) It was to him the-maddest of all follies to drive as they bad dope a rest people almost to desp ai r . It would be absidttle madness itself - to force them to utter and acknowledge 'despair.- A high Authority bad said that injustice would drive a wise man mad; what then could be said where six millions of people were in question? The case which lie laid before them was not to be met by flimsy deMices or by those pretences with which they have heretofore been mitt. At one titne.the country was frightened - with the name of Bonaparte, at another with the bugbear of da cobinismond toe's with the fear of breaking down a strong and powerful Administration. In latter days, the scruples in the Monarch wereurged till all those weighty or mum. portant objections *ere at length removed. Bonaparte died in solitary confinement on a desert rock—(Hear, hear.) The Monarch harkalso gone to his grave, and his ampler of conicience were strait with him in the tomb. As to the dread of breaking down a strong and powerful Ad otirds:ration, of all fear that was the least likely to create att y.apprthensiOn fn the present day.—(Hear and laugh .- tee.) Another course which was pursued in latter days' had the effect of adding mockery to injustice. It was a re finement on cruelty, aftecgoading the people of Ireland, !o despair to make no attempt to infinite into the cause of their injuries, but to renew measures of force and oppre s um. thet had to look to as a care for their wounds is a reftetiense•for their wonnds, wawa notarial of Penal Enaclaseits.—(llear.)• Of all the blessittge of Ireland, there was ,tione oiot . e taeiatly bestowed, evedlieyfind the i iis ogjapj l o otati oiliaturep ib44 gifts of blessed " • .. • • . • • • • • e cilia moment i l i te:;ynt ewhatn havet Theyhh a a , s re l i el as : ehv have d e e the y compressed o i tv o he e en i ?,riW betterh tranquillity thea t w fr a r i et t ir 4er 1 .I. 74. . .. . . . , end —r n ttip i ete t ip i4 : l 4: i ae oeheilriwieoer outra g e sm remembrance—with rer la a i nn n ec t we s - - ed ( w y tli e he a s r), lcreomia l p V nid i a t i h rnetsma gn iu e nn va ea p n es npded i t e c : . this moment. And now, when they are called upon for an inquiry into the stateof those complaints and excesses, they are told not to inquire, but to enforce new enact. insets to enchain and keep the people down—(Hee,r).—. • • Montego:den has said, "the more youtload a people with chains. the more dangerous it is to yourselves, for they will at last burst their fetters. aid. arseir'T them selves With them, will rise up against yen end avenge dins wrongs."—(Hear, hear). He (Mr.B.) would show. the neople of England a better course. Sopprog h e could show them an easy road to the hearts of the Ir;sis people. He gave them the choice: which will they pre fer, the hearts of the peop'e of Ireland. or the applause lif the Orange Lodges ?—(Clieers). Take the former, and he would venture to say that a richer harvest of gmtitade was never reaped—(bear !)—than England would re. care—gratitude, not measured by the benefits conferred, but that heartfelt—that sincere gratitude which partook of all the character and enthusiaam of devutiou. lad them Ohs a sample of that gratitude—let them recol lect hew a Monarch was hailed who went among them with only the promise of freedom, and what would the representative of the county expect from a greeting, when they bore them not the promise of freedom, bet the falll Meows and bounty of the Constitution I—(Hoar.) It wias a. powerful inducement—it held out a glorious and in. vitleg,prospect for contemplation, but which he dare nut indulge in at the moment from the bitter contrast he must feel On coming back to the true story-and sad reality of mi sery and despair—of demands for rignisoureflressed, and of benefits deferred. Let him not be told whenever these com plaints were renewed, and when evidence was offered at their bar, that ell inquiry would be denied. To do an injury was disgraceful in itself—to deny redress was ga ling, and ii, addition to injustice; bet when, instead of redress, ther were told dislike facts were not admitted, and that even itt quiry would not be granted—when it was said we won't examine or allow you to prove your ease, suck a system was most inhuman, and an addition of insult to a mockery ofju.- tice. He, for his part, had discharged hit duty; he had shaken Off ell responsibility from himself. If the inquiry be refused, hd should deplore not that he had dune hi; duty and brpught tab ease before them, but that they had refused that late ect of justice, without which, be feared, there Was nei ther to be expected peace for Ireland nor safety to . P.nglind. —(Cheers.) He concluded by moving that " the petition be referred to the Grand Committee for Courts of Justice." • Mr. GOULBURN hoped that the House would not he led away. by the eloquence of the Hon. and Learned Mamie ber, from the petition on'thetateme He laboured ender the disadvantage of rising in reply to a detail of facts'brought forward at so late a period of the Session, wheninnny Meu. bers'were not present, who would have borne ample tectint.- ny of the fair and full administration of juslic • in trained. The Hoe. and Learned Gentlemen appeared to feel that the Musa was called upon to itivestieate the administratioe of justice, le consequence of a petition, miaow no fief. but consisting merely Of e. aelsoatory, or he (Mr. G.) ailed "net say of defamatory assertions. Hp belie/et that f'.:.: eitatiments of that petition were net those of th e m a j orit y of the Roman Catholics of Ireland. When; he looked at this eirstures, lie was satisfied that the petition was not is -, i ison with the feelings and opininus of any cont i de rst op portion of the people of Ireland. From his loc al expect s . . if the respeetabiliity and loyalty of many o f the Roman ,holies of that country, he in their name, disclaimed a ' participetion in the libel, falsely professing to emanate from ahem. Wbat would the Hun. and Learned Gentlemso hs said, if a petition had been presented, alleging that the lio *ego Cetholie insurgents in the South of Ireland poseesse..l each se influence over the minds of the jurors. as to enab'e them to procure the acquittal of guilty Catholics', and the condemnation of innocent Protestants? If that petition had proceeded from an assoei alon founded on etcl.osire princi ples—an Orane.r. Society for inet,oee—would the Han, an t Learned Gentleman, on its unsupported eliegationi, ber - s agreed to refer the administration of jamiee to the enn•i deration of • committee? Would he hare consented ths4 to cast an indelible reflection on the Catholic population, The lien. and Learned Gentleman admitted that the House was called on to condemn witheadt viiderme of guilt ; but his ingenuity fnettisheri an excuse tn. this es. traordinary abeeper. The petitioners. forsooth, thought (so said the liimourable and Learned Gentleman) that abe House must be aware of the facts which they ought to have set forth in their petition. It was necessary fm. him (Mr. G.) to comment upon the fallacy a-,(1 mitre staleness of this deCirfne. He freely concurred in ail that the lion. and Learned Gentleinant,had said revert-• logy the importance of the parity of the adminiq r.it ion I f justice. But while the House watched over that must t:. valuable object, it ought equally to guard against ex- posing the courts of la* to enwarranted suspicion. .1 more ready mode of diminishing the veneratioe in which those courts should be held. could / hardly be deeised,thaa I by Itthaf followed the Hon. and Learned Gentleman , w ha had employed his eminent eloquence and ability to repre sent the Cu..rta of Ireland as corrript from top to bot!orn. • The commission to which the Hon. and Learned Gentle-' man had referred, had expi essly declared that suspicion would of itself ivorlg all the suiethief which actual ilipit rity wadi produce. What must the population of I.e- : land think if they beard that On the presentation of this t .. petition a mein had been adopted of which there bail been brio example for : fifty years? The charges were two fold; tinstksthat the administration of the law *ids respect to . Catholies and Protestants tr.'ve not equal : and secondiy,. that the unequal• edministrationt was corrupt.. As to the - first point, the law was more severe against the Catholic:lA' England than against those of Ireland, to remedy which a bill was now in progress through the House. Besides, the . govertidtent of 'Mend haul no power welter - the:inequality of the law. Parliatnentelose could effeet that arnendinedt. Oa the second point, it 'was inctiMbent on him (Mr. O.), as matter of duty. to es ter more into detail. The Hon. and Learned Gmtletaan hail fallen into the mistake of arguing as if I relit:dream-beg , 1 Lana. The same :sampans} practices were not applicant to the two countries. Here the Lord Chancellor very pro• perlv refused to interfere with the magistracy unless de linquency had bees premed ia *.court of law; Wain Ire land it was absolutely necessary to dismiss magisttates, for particular reasons which could net apply to the same class of persons in England. It was beyond doubt thet r magistrates had been appointed in Ireland who had abus ed their power, and . acted in the most corrupt manner.- - A great reform had therefore become necessary, and was 'carried into execution by the Lord Chancellor of Ireland, most impartially. Having been admitted by that lean ed and distinguished personage to a knowledge of tie complaints which had led to the dismissal of the mash - Crates, he could conscientiously declare that the Len Chancellor had executed his arduous and silicate del! ,mei;lout regard either' to political or religious considera tions. It would have been more worthy oi the West' of the Honourable and Learned Gentleman to have or ported the Lord Chancellor in the discharge of his den instead of lending their weight to thwart and frostno that necessary purification. [Mr. BROUGHAM.-1 do not charge the Lord Clise . cellor with having done too much, but with having OA too little.] ;1 The Hanonreble and Learned Gentlem an had chat 1 the Chancellor with,bavieg dismissed some m agi Ara correptly, not in een a r, tas but by inference. There w a countyin Ireland of which the list of magistrates had not been,inere or less purified. If, inst ead of or, ring only to the northers counties , the Honourable. so Learned fieutleman had extended his view otter country. be %%Weld Life found that the p uri peen, where it was most wanted, most complete.; It/movable. blennser,for Limerick could have s , a that a great practical referee lad been efts , '''`ufth cases or &Wag sad diffiaahr bed 1 • • ' I • that a grest.redical measure Was it : . was, that these the. consisted of u ammg 1 1 ' I . • s L w ill) to bironef(a la ppos e ll1 1 ) 18 . R pt i , r bear)—and mine oth erse of a like and ri • . ~;.' , --. were discptaftded by kes ...... • aegh.) Hetweeleny of those 132 ft 1 ~ . . ' , • ~ f removal?Malreulj inform the 'arc ''' (Thar. hear.) Its county 23 s ,) `sere It, " .--. • ".,,, : s .. ere all mintier , ail of w' ::. . '.. ' . CA lenge.) la i ty tbei • ~` atemarere ' of, lave ' es. - 11 1 1 1 z., ' Prltosaghen, stetson' ' tremove I ..: - 1 . , .r.4od ene—P 9 l r sick. the •:' • I • - oaf nemoresl.—(Hear. Ile did a .* • • Abitn.Well removed. lie compli - ontiopedlathapommission of tbe • b coils to SO HMO commission at fOM lafialittints over whom he . 1 . ',l4,is tylannles , He 'did not con IL ell Chiseellor; he was a Magi 1 ; t o i l : r ife . a br i : s ei and set ir eLtr a tl i toe ry r , - 1 diet, contrietiog him of oppression . : , ;c ~ ease, 4-parallel to which it was a . tie history of hlagisteriat eruelt , Assistance of another individual 1 . . 1 ... . patedan nrdsrof ariest to overwr 7 Vs ); and had this order vouched 1 , . fti s the: perfitrallon of the fraud. 1 • ,# 101 elivered•bver hie victim • his j • *PAS. Mr.'Oarran called on 'Ms pot the associate of his villany in dtarge. litsadye durst not eot , 'testae, and the jury returned soil • Coe. oppression, and. extortion. s.iit, be justified by the direful n after an interval of twenty yeah prered still sitting on the bench 1 • i ile didl•p not avoid being drawn • 'of HI county of Modaghen, by c --- ~ Illier. - The commitments made . , Vtion ; but the number of coast /those commitmeat.. It was mel 1 • ..the fact that the conottitments in ' 4 ' tiers of four 10 one to the cor Wale,. 14e: would close the groat inea's opinions and sayir tesdreeny of Lord Redesdale, eulogise. Hie words were airs they deserved to be mentioned i tr. June last, that Noble and been intimately connected with C n a ar twenty yenre." And he ( to say, that those words of I YOH reali'dlords of en imprint 1 'the word's' of a hasty mover, • shut his oyes to the spat l• • • abuses of the system were i those feelings, and ac.quaint country, by means of his higl Noble and Learned Lord I I ' . as au thority. " I have been," Aimately co oneeted with that e , I am grieved to say that two a • wormy—one sort for the rich, for the poor, and both equall • fear.) It was not to he suppc ferreted with a disposition to a, • quite epidemic, Mid though no • '' '' • is'ed for one hundred years. • _..... support or Ibis' bie al ~,, t,..: litS •If no better n r e s Z e b e e ta requin such an op inion from a Nobl it- cello'. of the country. Bet e ' used those words, he would al have used them, and that th trifling matter to tee how Jut . . rations of 'lreland. whereat , ' enemy of the Catholics—wet . • Mese-, he would not advert 1 . • i that ttanie before that House. Of . the Corporatiou who ode Into office because he had el' • . lie would not go into the eat . • before the lloose, but helm , . . • litile i fact which came oat iii witnesses. Mr. Dillon Mar was asked. if the House wo the lion. Member for Am. / 4 dip. linear those question . some years before% c omen i.o..iu order to get hint II" I an swered. that poise years assert in a etlisinal ORS!. him the LIMPS 0( some fri , to get the Sub•Sheril to I he stout! remunerate him I • • 5 .... - asked if he had a thro p tel alters , replied, to be suet 1 , e al toe prisoner to the $ll l lub-Sherig said to ili It f i . • • 'l4 I tannet bring I li 't ' k * 1 think be acid he • 1 : ! .' 0, A, b mouse tit". quiet but . 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