The Statesman. — London, England, 1821-02-07 00:00:00

r im Ur 10Y , X 4. of CC, hot of the whole liingdorn, and that he was as much hound to Watch over the interests, anti protect the rights of the 'allabitants of awry other part of the empire, as over ihose of his immediate constituents. If he wanted ex imples to prove the practical benefits that resulted from the construction of the House of Commons. he had only to cast his eyes opposite to hint, and he should tinil them in abundance. An lion. Gentleman on the other side of the House, of whose brilliant talents no man could entertain an higher opinion than he did, afforded a most derisive proof of the advantages resulting from tie present system of representation. The Learned lientleutan had offered himself a Candidate fur two or three populous places, hut had tof•red himself in vain.— In Westmoreland be was completely &Crated; in Liver pool he stood no chance, and the Mouse would now have to lament the loss of his talents, if he had not had the good fortune to he snugly seated fur one of those Bo rooglis which some of his friends around him described aai the opprobriunr of our Representative System. That Learned Gentleman was, tilieigh so returned, as good unit efficient a Member ef Parliament, and as sound a Whig as if lie represented Wei...mit:sten A Right Hon. 'Gentleman opposite to him, and dest•rvedly high in the estimation of the ll.•ase tool of the country for ilia abilities, had been driven out of the populous of Southwark, and if he had no: found refuge in one of those much abused Boroughs, the leader of the Whigs would not now have a seat in the !louse of Commons. Another Honourable and Learned Gentleman, of whose talents and constitutional knowledge he wished to speak is the highest terms, was seated for linareaho rough, and yet no non weak' deny that he was as able, and as valua . ble a Member of Parliament, as if he re- prisented the most populous county in the kingdom.— lint it was useless to multiply instances, however defec tive our systetnama in theory. it was most admirably caleulatedin the practice to bring into that House, the talent, time intelligence, and every other retplisite that was essential to the character of a good Member of Parliament. He could not. therefore, agree with those who called so loudly for Parliameatary Reform, more especially as he found that no two of them agreed upon the plan which they would substitnte fur our present sys tem. It appeared to him mad' 'niaer, iostead of adopt ing wild and visionary theories, itml makingg• sweeping alterations, to proceed gradually, awl idlest you found a blot, to hit it, and to mend it. With respect to the question immediately before the it would not be' siecessary for him alter all that had heels said to occupy much time. As to what took pl mre before the Queen came to this country it was only tot.te..ary to o'. , erve, that if the proposition made to her .11.ijr:ty at St. !niter's deserved any of those hard epithets u Bich had been so liberally bestowed upon it. he liuls. an.' Learned tientleman, her Majesty'sprincipal ould not have been the bearer of it. He would slot now enter into the question who first suggested that proposttion ; but when that Learned ilentlonan left this country as the bearer of it, he knew that Ministers were iu session of facts that mould constitute a gr.tvc cs , e against the Queen, and that if her aiajc:ty f ame into this country they could not avoid further steps. It was quite impossible. thrrefore, for that Learned Gentleman to agree with the I Loom raide I;entle man who spoke last, that this conduct of Ministers on VI at occasion was not only unjust but ha.ot. Attcr It..r Majesty arrived in this country it was evident that Mi nisters, so far from being desirous o f brio; fora and this investigation, took every means iu titerower to avoid it ; and it was equally clear that the Hoofs ap proved of their conduct in so doing. Ile did nut ex p aft that the Gentlemen on time other side would approve of the conduct of Ministers, but the House ritulit n ot, he thought, withdraw the apprubation to that rouditet which it bad so distinctly given. Ile would not enter into any observatiou upon what hail in the Howse, of Lords: Ise would merely express its firm lit•lief, that there was not one man in the kingdom who, before the proceedings in the House of Lords, thought the Ministers honest men, that did not, after those proceedings were over, think that what passed in that !loose afforded an ample justification of Ministers fur time step they bad taken. Upon the question of the Liturgy, it was equally unuecessay for him to dilate. It was 'pile im possible for Ministers to give his Majesty any other ad vice than that which timey had given ; it was not cunsi tiered--it was not recommended as a punishment upon her Majesty. The Ministers conceived that this was a point completely within time perogative of the Crown : and under all the circumstances of the case, they did not feel it to be their duty to advise the King to confer upon her Majesty that mark of special grace and favor. When the subject of the Liturgy was first discussed in that House, a Right Honorable Gentle man opposite to him reprobated it in strong language as degrading the Queen, but the Learned Gtuttieuman (the Queen's Attorney-General) denied that position. lie did nut consider it as being of any inont••tit whe ther the Queen was prayed . for by name in the Liturgy yr nut; in a word, considered it as a trifle light as air' compared with what he called her just rights, What happened afterwards when a negotiation took place between the Noble Lord near trim amid a Noble Relation of his, and the two Learned Gentlemen on the other side (the Queen's legal advisers)? Mr. liliOUtill.lll—' There is no doubt of its being illegal.' Mr. W. POLE.—Upon that occasion the ',slimed Gentleman seemed in doubt whether the omission was 14 gal or not, but he considered it as admitting of an rquivaleut. Now, if it were an !argot act be could nut admit of an equivalent. In that ease is would have been the duty of the Learned Uentlemen to have broken off the treaty at once. But after all that, the Learned Gentleman's opinion underwent ano ther change, for in the debate a few nights ago became room' tithe opinion of the Learned Member for Ox - f• • ma, and pronouuced the omission of her Majesty's name from the Liturgy to be most decidedly an illegal act. And when afterwards the Learned Gentleman was charged with some inconsistency upon this sub ject which was his answer ? Why, he said, " that he considered it as sound philosophy, that when a man re- Creed an injury fruits a person in authority, and could Inn get redress, he might disguise his sense of that in inrY• and undervalue its extent." If this was trite. said the Learned tic:Orman, between two individuals. how much more was it so when one of them tear an ad vocate, the advocate of a woman, and that woman a Queen I Such was the Learned Gentleman's lengnage as an advocate and as a sound philosopher, and when Ministers heard it they were silly enough to think they had a great authority in their favour but when the Learned Gentleman came to speak as a Member of Par liament he completely undeceived them. For, upon the motion of the 'Noble Lord a few nights ago, the I,earnt•mi Gentleman, in speaking upon it, declared lie considered the ontission of (ter Majesty's name in tin: Liturgy as decidedly illegal, anti reprobated it iu time strongest manner, and yet he voted for the resolution that the omission was inexpedient and ill advised, so that he had runtrived to display himself in both Isis characters on one night, for he had spoken like a !limiter of Pae lla/ling, and voted hike an Advocate, and a sound Fibilusuplier.—(Loud cheers .) — lt had been repeatedly said on this anal f ormer nights, that the whole country was against Ministers upon this question, yet it was worthy of remark, that after this most illegal act, as it was called, of omitting the Queen's name in the Liturgy ad his.— n cominitteml, time Parliament was dissolical and a geerral vlectiuu took place. glut then when the proplt were left were ant :iota was . .npon men opposite to him considered it as a topic *MCI he could urge with success. They were opposed by the Whig•. a party of great wealth, talent, awl respecta hility, honourably united together in order that they might Let into office, and thereby serve the country most hfFectually :—they were opposed by another party inimicol to all existing establishments in Church and State, these were called the Radicals, end he was willing to admit that they were as different from the Whigs in character, and in their objects, " as light from darkness." These two parties, however, so essen tially different in every thing else, agreed in one point. The Whigs had found out that they could do nothing that was good, and the Radicals had discovered that they could do nothing that Was had while the present Ministers remained in office. and therefore these two discordant parties heartily joined together to torts them out. This junction had given them the appearance of strength, hut still that strength was only formed by the union of those who always apposed Ministers. The op ponents of Ministers at all the public meetings were composed of Whigs and Radicals. witness tl►e meet ings at Liverpool, at Bedford, in Hampshire, hs London, &e. but that the public opinion was not so hostile to Mink:era as Gentlemen asserted,apprsred from the num ber of loyal add that were pouring in from every part of the country, addresses which hail not been pro cured by any efforts of Ministers, but were the spouta ..rons expressions of the persons whose names were sub scribed. Neither he nor any of his colleagues would wish to remain in office one hour after they had bat the confidence of 'the people ? but Ministers were not to be ennvinced by time assertions of the Gentlemen on Op! other side of she House, that they hail lost that confi dence, nor would they be induced by ►lamuour or by taunts to desert their duty to their Sorereig.n and their country. It was common at the brzinning of every Session to hear that Ministers were about to resign ; lists of their successors were handed about, and it was said that they collid not remain a week in office. Titis reminded him of what used to he the case in the !'coin- sula ; the intercepted correaponilener of Joseph Bona parte wan full of observations upon the blunders of the English General, and of prophecies that the allied army was about to he destroyed ; but it always happened that 'him blundering thoseral, as soon as be got sight of the enemy's army, rumihilareil it was with respect to the rumours to which he alluded, if they were to be be lieved, the Ministers could not exist a week, but when the battle took place the truth appeared, the %'higs were defeated, and the Ministers confirmed in their places. There was one other point on which hr wished to say a few words. Ministers were acrused of persecuting the Queen. and the strongest epithets were lavished upon them, be how would the U hip have acted if they hail been in power, and hail been in possession of evidence which they believed affected the Queen. They would nut have negotiated, they would have proceed at once, and if the opinion of one of the Whig Leaders had been taken they would have proceeded against her for High Treason. Another charge aga:ust them was. that by proroguing Parliament they had prevented the Queen for two months from obtaining any redress; bat what was the proposal in the celebrated letter of Lord John ? Why, after the Report of the House of Lords heen made. after the Bill of Pains and Penalties had Peen brought in, he proposed in August lot, that Par liament %tumid be prorogued, which would hare placed the Queen in that very same situation fur six months. Air. Pole then repli...l to the animadversions of Sir James Mac'..intosh upon Mr. Bankes, and paid a tribute to the publiLl conduct of the latter rientleman. Sir FRANCIS lILTHETT rose, as well to olfer a few ohit 7 rvations on the sohject before the House, as to notice and reprehend those rhapsodies which escaped a Right lion. Gentleman over the way, and whirl: though very amusing to tit • house, were yet highly insulting to the Country—(!tear, hear.)—llis allosian to the Whks had no sort of relation to the sub..ct before the House; for what did it matter whether they had coalesced with the Radicals or nut. It mattered' little as regarded the Titration, and per haps less as regarded the Whigs themselves. The Right lion. Gentleman had gone back so far as the early life of rON ; hut whatever that great man might at any time have said, as to that House expressing the sense of the country, no one could assert that it was now tae representative of the people of England. If the Right lion. Gentleman entertained such an opinion hittrielf, lie was certainly very singular in it. It was said that the %%'higs joined with the people at large. —(No, from the 3linisterial Benelies.)—He was sure the word " many" was used; and he hared the num bers guided b, and connected with, the rare talents .4 the Whigs, would make Ministers feel the import ance of their complaints. The Right Itio. t lentlemaa was coarse in his expressions to a degree unknown in that House, which, whatever it was in a representative sense, was certainly the t gentlemanly and prac tical—the best audience in the wochl—(Hear!)— Ministers tvere attempting to degrade Royalty in the minds of the people, who were for vindicating the dignity of the Crown against its Niinisters. It had been said that they were anxious to preserve Iran goi:lity. If they seriously wished for it, they should not have made an offer to the Qtwen to remain abroad, and at the same time make it impossible for her to stay there. A Right Honourable tientleman, Member for Oxford, had said, that the pro ceeding., here undertaken in order to prevent " imputed adultery" and " Pigh Treason" from mounting the prone. lie seetued to treat her as guilty; and what then was the effect of the intended measnre. Were not these imptited crimes still upon the Throne, in spite of them, if the Qiteen n'ali not innocritt.--(hear, hear.) The lion. Baronet next animadverted with great seve rity on the manlier in which a Learned Gentleman then present hail 0pen,..1 his charges against the Queen ; anal whose latigoagc on the occasion was so foul. that one would suppose it Ii: t 1 been burrowed from Billiogirate. That Learned Gentleman had made the most infamous eliar!es, which he never was able to prove by evidence. Even ha i the charges been true, if he possessed the feel ings of autan.—(Lourl cries of Order.) The SPEAKER observed, the Hon. Baronet must feel that imputations of this kind were incotiaistent with order. Sir E. BURVETT most readily boxed to the opi nion given from the Chair ; and whenever he departed from the duty which he owed to the House, be felt grateful in being told so. He had been alluding to the charges made by the Attorney-General against a Lady 'of the highest rank, bait who had s iffered unukr se vere misfortnnea, which were calculated to excite any man's compassi m even were her conduct such as it had been r presented to be. But in such a case as that which had come before the other House, where . no one knew who the prosecutor was, for uo one had' avowed himself as such—(Hear, hear,)—in such a, case, where a public prosecutor ought to hate' 'chow% every sort of kindness, of tenderness, aand indulgence, when lie was bouud by every moral duty rather to ea.! tenuate than aggravate the case he had in hand, there was no occasion fur such a harsh rout e 43 the Learned had pursued, for if he hail found Mussel( prove any one clear fact, lie ought to hates reek: ed on that, and have spared the public from all the dis gusting and nauseating details which lie had wade. Ye* after all those details together, with the unsupported exposition of the Att.-Gen. had gone forth to the publie, her Majesty's month was shut, and she was unable es make a reply. Yet how different was the conduct of the Learned Gentleman in other instances! It was only 3 or 4 days ago that the Attorney-General objected to the reading of affidavits in the Court of King's Bench;' which he (Sir F. Burdett) had hraught forward in ex tenuation of the language which he had used in his let ter—for the only way of knowing the extenuation that' could he advanced, was b ) proving the facts which his language had averted to. Ike only reason riven by the Attornee.General for objecting to those a ffi davits was, i that oth er' parties not before the Court might he affect-, ed by them. But there was no ground for using such an argument against his justification, for it was impossi ble that a set of dragoons who cut down a number eft unresisting people at Manchester, could be brought to trial, in consequence of any statements made on Isis affi davits being read in the Court.—(Cries of order, and hear.)—But in the prosecution of her Majesty, the Attoraey-General did not observe the same rule which he bad so rigidly insisted on the other day in the Court of - King's Bench, for lie endeavoured to prejudice her Majesty's case before she was brought to trial. Whatever might have been the legality of leaving the (astern's name out of the Liturgy, and saying that it w.:s 'he prero.ative of the Crown to do so, the qnestlon for the [louse of Comisions to awl eider wss, whether that prrroentire, supposing it to ex ist, had been wisely exercised. lie really believed, that if the thing were to he done over again, the Noble Lord opposite would not be inclined to give his advice for such a measure ; for piddle oinnion was decidedly against the act, and politic mita, always have its due weight. But it teas not to he made known by per eons signing their names to declaratioas in secret place ; it was only to he known by ' , oldie meetinzs, althottzh such meetings might be ellled a farce. There never was any thing so folly and um-iplivorally expressed as the opinion of the pest* respecting the Queen ; and at the same time the great both of the people, even including the Radicals, mash- a manifest distinction between the King and his Alinis.ers in expressing their npinina respecting the conduct of the latter. Inileesl, they had shown all possible respect for his Majesty.—(hear, hear.)—lt was impossible to con ceive any thing more mischievous than the declaration that her Maysty was not an innocent person: (Jr the feeling et the public was universal respecting her innocence. It was like a trade wind, it blew one way ; it had already set in, and was more likely to end in a storm than to be abated. Whether the Queen was inno cent or guilty, there conic' he no doubt of the guilt of Ministers in Gritteing forward aeaiust her those charges %%hid, were already so well known to the world : charges which haul been taiouteil by every honest wan and which would have been scouted from any cowman Court of Justice : fur who could pressene to impute guilt to her, after the charger were supported by such witnesses as hail been brought farmer:l ?—witnesses whovi evidence some of the Ministers on the opposite a;sle of the House, according to the principles on which they had opposed the emaucipation of the Catholics is Ireland, here not inclined to consider as admissible, be cause they looked on those Catholics as persons who eoneidertel thewesilees not to he hound by their oaths. If Ministers would not believe Catholics an their own country, why shoul , l they rely so much on the oaths of a set of vile, treacherous, and ab'andoned characters, who had given evidence against the Queen ? But had these witnesses eren been respectable persons, it was highly criminal in Ministers to have brought forward raebscharges against the Queen no their single testi mony. It was therefore a most important good done to the country and the Royal Family that the people did mot believe those abandoned witnesses. hind the Queen been really guilty, the Ministers ought to have kept the people from knowing any thing of her guilt. It was evident then that they had acted in a manner itenst impolitic; that they could net see beyond their noses; and that their only object was to keep themselves in power. There was another strong point of evi dence in this case. The late President of the !Weed of Control, a man of elegant taste, bail told the House that the goes n was the crate of polished scrims-, ke. and be was sure if the Right lion. Gentleman had re mined here, he would hare been able to stop the prus ceedines against her Majesty—(Clear, hear ) : and it was much to be regretted that he haul not remained. — (Hear, front the Opposition.)—As to State necessity fur the proceedings against the Queen, be believed there was none; but if there land been any still be maintained the Ministers were culpable. After the separation of her Majesty front Ilse Kine, she continued here without :ouch notice; but if Ministers thought her likely to commit delinquencies, they never slu.ohl have per mitted her to quit the country; soil 'fin the s nurse of six long years they hear.! of her going on in a career of ini quity, why dill not they warn her of her conduct? — And when they came to call her to account for those six years of profligacy, haw they to drop ilst re, and those the three most imp wtan*, because the three last ye trs ? If she hail been so had for throe years, how CAW' it tlsat all her viciousness ceased just at that time, and that site committed' no fault after ? Besides, during the three years of fleliminency, her name continued in the Liturgy, and why steeds' it be removed immediately on the , :eatli of the late King? Now, the House had on this sitbject the verdict of the Noble Lord's late wilco gue : and unless the expedience and the witoloha of the proceeding could be proved, the present Ministers were 11r:deserving of the support of the public, unless in the option of the Member for (*.mire Cagle , t hey were to he ' considered the palladium of that member, and the 80, , rough he represented. Mr. PEEL now rose to explain, and denied that he bad last night made any injurious expressions against her Majesty. lie also denied the imputation as to what he had tail about Catholic Emancipation and Reform. The ATTORNEY-GENERAL said, it was not his intention to have troubled the House in this debate t but after the observations of the Hon. Baronet, there. was no necessity.for him to make an apology for rising on this oreasiou.—(Hear, hear:)--.ls to violation of sle-orntn. he appealed to the House, whether the lion. Baronet had not himself, by his ol , serra'ion violated all the decorum of dehate.—(Lottil cries of hear, bear.)—The Hon. Baronet had most irregularly gone en: of the question ; First by adverting to a speech of Isis (the . I .tterney-(general) and next to an argument which passed two or three days aeo in the Court of King's Bench—an argument which his own Counsel nazi reierteti , and the Honnnrahle Baronet now came down as if dissatisfied with his (Canneel for not usieo that argueient —:Hear, hear !)-1 le felt It necessary to notit e this attack made upon hitn. clod what was the case et* the Ilonouralde Baronet in the Court of King's Ilene!) ? lie fact was, that lie brought for ward several uffilavits containing charges againt per sons which ought not to be stated, and that they were wholly irrelevant to the question at issue. Th.. Hon. hart. had plthlished a paper which a jury declared to be a libel; when be came into Cie Court, he produced affidavits to spew that hit statements, taken as they • • ffATESMAIN •••• ••••••-•....."-••••,.. A .... ____ . -•..-, • ---. 0 • . to ttgeir own judgcnent,—sehen • their minds Gentleman alibied or their passions inflamed, not one able to pro h said upon this subject, not one of the Gentle- et. a on that, had been, first, oily. from newspipers, were true; be objected to lie production uf these affsdavits as lug wholly irrelevant, whethey tine pr false, which went to charge ethers with higher crimes. As to his coo lust in carrying on the prosesution against the Queen, he did no more than State a case, in the performance of painful duty, which was faunded on the facts laid bef ir him. If the facts were indecent, that was not his fan:•. but the fault of those who had collected theui—L in cries of hear). And if he must speak out, many fa • of the strongest velure were stated by witnesses agsirist her Majesty, which hail not at all been stated in his opening speech : and he contended, that the mini and substantial facts stated hr him in his opening were proved by the evidence afterwards adduced.—(Shouts of hear, hear.)—He repeated, that his charges were proved in evidence : it was another thing, whether that evi dence was to be believed. Ile hail never had the slight est communication with any witness ; be bad their depositions from those who instructed him. Ho was not bound to sit as a judge in the first instance; he merely did the duty of an advocate, and states! his ease from the instructions given him. if any wan believed that the intercoure of the Queen and her servant had existed for the first three veers, he must be convinced that it was continued during the remaining three years, for the man bad lived in her service u ; . to her arrival at St. !)seer's.—(llear, hear, hear:;) —lie bad thrown out no unfounded calututfes against. the Queen; lie only stated the case laid before uim ; and there was no sintilkstie between this and the case in the • Court of King's Bench. Nothing could have heed more injudicious and more degrading to himself than to have stated facts which 'could not be proved. No taunts, therefore, of the Honourable Baronet could make him feel that he had committed any dereliction or his duty in carrying on the prosecution against the Quern.—(blear, bear.)—At the demise of the late Kiiq: site could no longer be prayed fur as l'rincess of Wales —she had then acquired a new character, and labouring as she was under the tectimulated charges against her, which charges were in the possession of his Majesty's Ministers ' they would he guilty of insialiret highly cri mina; if they hail advised tlie insertion of her name ia the Liturgy. Ile did not know how far it operated skit the minds of lion. Members; but it appeared to hi•it that there was the greatest difference possible between. the erasing of her 11ajesty's name from the Liturgy in 1:s1: 4 , and the omission of it in WO. In the former sloe continued Princess of Wales, and therefore the name re mained in the Liturgy ; in the latter she arquirini a new diameter, and therefore her name was 01111 Ited to he in serted ill that new character. ile thanked the Hons." for their indulgence while lie was repelling the Ili:pro voked mid unnecessary attack of the Baronet. lie felt gratefal fur the opportunity they gave him of defend ing himself. There were now loud calls for Mr. Tierucy. Sir F. SURDRIT ruse is explanation, but n e could not collect the import of what he said. Mr. TIERNEY saw rose. He said that it till been stated on the other side of the Haase, that his motion had been brought forward with • slew of displacing the present 31inisters of the Crown. Whe ther that might be the effect of it or not, was not for to say ; but he denied that it was brooch' forwar I with smell a ratio.. Ile should vote fur the mothet, and hoped the House would lend bins their atten tion while be were giving his reasons fur that vote, and also why the metier!' was breuglit forward. EiL!st ' months had elapsed since that House received a we... sage from his Majesty. alledging, that the arrival of the Queen made it necessary that certain papers which accompanied that message should be referred to the consideration of the House. The House was at loss to know what course to adopt, and bad repeate , l adjournments, as if with a view to watch the proceed ings of the other House, and thereby regulate its own. 11e thonitit the House should have acted more inde pendently. Ile was new desirous to state his upiniau, because he then held a different opinion from thosa friends with whom he was in the constant habit of vuiing. Ile had said un that occasion, (and of th saying lie bail been sin. often reminded) he sa l t that he should never give Isis consent to a grata of one .billies to her Majesty, unless she were cleare.l of the (Outer and heavy crimes Leib to her charge. He considered that the manner is whieii her Majesty's name was omitted (mom the Liturgy anionnted to a very strong presumption that Oct:harp-% against her must have been supported by undeniable evidence in the possession of Ministers. lie was there fore of opinion that inspiirf was necessary, as the charge VMS probable. Ile would go farther, and say be lia,l heard that they had irresistible evidence, ner could he conceive they would even have gone the lengths they did, unless they were fully prepared to justify themselves. He was of opinion that under these circumstances it was due to the Queen, to the King, to the country, and the Constitutiou, that there should he an investigatiog. Having wade these preliminary observations, be sl,oul I now come at one', to state his opinion on the present question. Let the event of the question be what it nevi, the real question now before them, and he begged to re call their attention to it, was whether the priposition submitted to them contained the tenth or n ? If it 'lid `contain the truth, they should vote fur it, disregarding and leasing entirely out of their consideration the consequences. The Honourable Member for Oxfuel (Mr. Peel) although there are many parts of the late pfo::eesiiii A s which lie condemned, yet thought there ) was no els.' ree against Ministers ; he could not agree with him ; he tlionglit the charge against them well made unt. How very different had been the line of conduct adopte by the late King, in Ibo 6. At that time his present Ma jesty, then Prince of Wales, received reports of iris Con sort itubecoioing her rank and dignity. lie immediately had these rumours communicated to the King, who im mediately appointed a Commission of the first ChstriC tees in the country to inquire into those reports, and give him their opinion on the same. In this he acted under the advice of, he believed, Lord l'iinrlow, and he (Mr. Tierney) thought he was well advised. Eiery body was acquainted with the result of that Commission. But how the late proceedings were instituted, or jo what manner the depositions were taken, it was impossible to say. He had no hesitation in saying that all the • mis chief hail arisen from that .Pilau Commission. Hvidemie was . here collected. and that evidence restrainsi fora consideranle time in the hands of Ministers, vet they never gave the Queen any notice of their proc eedings; and the first notice she received of their intention wes the omission of her name (ruin the Liturgy. Wiry bad not some proposal been made to th e Qts eeo before that hostile act: No time, he thou.:lit, more proper fur some proposal than at the period after ro , e eie s eg the evidence from the Commissioners sitting at Milan, and before her name was erased from the Litur gy. If a proposal were wade to her Majesty afthat pe ' riod, he would ventere to say her Majeety would have saved the country from the late disgusting proceedings. A Cominiseion lied been sent out to Milan in Rile to collect evidence on the part of the Crown. These pro ceedings excited suspicions in all parts of Europe about her Majesty's conduct. Nothing could be more dispa ' raging to her Majesty than such proceedings. Snob sits . picicrns made a full investigation necessary. He asked I if there were any way snore difficult to settle the races between the Illustrious parties than this. He did .~ 1~- I - ' 1.....