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Petitions would be Presented against the Bill, if ae public were not assired tbat the House would nut suffer it to puss second reading. He was the . _ Church.—(lt uas here intimated that the name of Dr. Milner was not the hist ut these attached to the petition.)-1In• Right ilutulurable Uetteetnan then tleti;retl the ('lark to read over ,3111 t! the signatures. The Clet!t real a% tolh:r. s :—'l he R.ev. R. liawky, the Rev. J. JcnL, the Rcv. J. Strane . itharrn, the Rev. J. Milner. Coulasittee Ronal. 27. Poultry, March IS, IS2I. same (pinion—thou ht the Bill ought not to go to a Committee, and could not help feeling that Go vernment ought to take a more decisive part on this —-- - - ALBION FIRE and LIFE INSURANCE COMPANY, New Bridae-street, Rlackfriars. Smpowered by Art of Parliament. Capital—Onc Million. INSIT ANcrs tine at Lally-day will IL expire, unless renewed within fifteen days frown that eiod. The Cotrrm's Rates and Conditions are of the most re/1- % 0110de desrription Cliarte is made for Fire Pelicies, when the Premium eNeceils .35.--No Admission Fine is eliarged o:i Life Inanrance-- a libels! Commission is alMrsed to Solicitors, wild ethers. who effect Life lesaratieffs : —sad evisry fweility is afforded by which the Interest and Cooseuieace of the Pub may tic promiited. W ARNER PHIPPS, Secretary. STEW 4 RIA. . The Hon. IT. G. Benaett. M. P. Sir G. 'Noel. Bart. M. P. J. C. Hobhouse, Fry. M. P. P. Moore, Esq. M. P. M. Wood. Esq. M. P. Mr. Sherif Waithman. Sir R. Wilson. M. P. Burton, Esq. Newington- E. Ellice, Esq. M. P. common. J. Butler. Esq. liackny!!-road. W. Simpson, Esq. Hackney- W. Wood, Esq. City-road. I road. W. Knight, Esq. Keusingtcm. Avital, E 9. Clapton. —Judkins, EN. Ilackney-road. P. Ernst. Esq. Betanai- J. Edger, Esq. Spitalfields. green-road A. Diann, Req. Crown-street. Ur. Hanes, Poplar. ' Finsbury. Mx. Lee. City.rwta, Mr. A. Easley. ditto. Mr. Lincoln, Commercial- Mr. T. Burton, Spitalf.eltii. road. Mr. Vigeveue, Bishorgate Mr. Haines. Fore-qtreet, without. Mr. Pattenden. Poplar. Mr. Peminell. Spitalfichis. Mr. Carter, ditto. Mr. llackhlock, Slioreditch. Mr. Gates. ditto. Mr. F. Homan. ditto. Mr. Woodcock. Iloxton. J. O. Lambton, Esq. M. P. New-town. - - question: - Sir I. COFFIN had seen the Catholics fighting fur this country in all parts of the world, they shed their blood at freely in its cause as the Protest ants, and ought, in his opinion, to be allowed to participate in the blessings of the Constitution. The Petition were read and ordered to be printed. PEtMO*4 rc TUE FRENCH LANOUAGE. Mr. 11 Mtn VATF presented a Petition from lb, Proprietors of Lana in Loner Cana , to, on the 'abject of the Timbre Dottie,. The SPEAKER called the attention of the }louse to the present Petition. It ws4 wholly in French, and other Petition* had been preseuteti from Ilona anti other places which had been originally drawn op in different languace N but thefte had been re.l.iced to English before they were pre.ented to the House. He dill not know that the llon‘e had ever rereirrd say Petition that was not either in Engli‘h or in old law French, which was ditfertnt from 'smarm French, as it was from Entli.h. There might he some haniship in reinsinz, t.• receive a petition which came from a plate nliere no English was spoken, brcttice it was drawn on in a lorei...n langusze, hut lie W. 1.; 114,Shir 11 who ther, au-cording to the usage of the House, the present Peti•ion roold be laid on the table. ESSENCE (W SIII(131PS. -1 4 " MO M the increasing demons! of this much ad mired Sallee for all nor-, of Fish. &e. it has induced tin: p rof i t -tar. HENRY powct,L, at his Wholrsate Oil s.id 111111111 Warehouse, 31. Neweate;-street. 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Mr. BROGDES, with a Me'sa!r from the Commons informed the House, that the Commun.; hid given have to John Gla , lAtone, F;sq. and James Druna ))))) sad, Esq. to attend and give evidence before ;heir Lord. ships' Committee on Ynrrigis Trade. Mr. Baoaocx and several Members then brought up from the Unimaioni the Flax Enemiracenient hill, which w•as 'Taal r tir,t tin►e.—.Adjourned till 31uNday. HOUSE OF COMNIONS.--Fato‘v. Mt liCi4 The liAllery was opened At four o'elorli, when the pressure of stranzers was unusnelly gre it, and the noise which presailell in con,equenee, inade much of the preliminary business wholly inati,lible. C' 1.1. OF TOE 110 t SF Lord LOWTHER, in the absence of an I.on. Friend (Sir 0 . nifire.l that the I Inler for calling. over the Howe should be postponed till Monday. Sir J. MACKINTOSH thought the attendance was so perfectly satisfactory, that the (fall onglit not to be kept hanging . over Members without some reason be ing given for it. lie did not assume this to be done with a view of creating that clamour out of doors, which happily had ,:.it as yet been produced. He, however, was of opinion, th it the Members ought nut to he harassed by the Call being kept hanging over their heads, without some Pullicient reason bring assigned and he should, therefore, move as an amendment, that the Ordet be now disci/arced. Lord LOWTHER brieflv replied to the lion. Mem ber, and was understood to agree to give up the wotion f..r postponing the tall. The Order fur calling over the House was then dis charged. PETITIONS. Sir W. SCOTT presented a Petition from the Clercy of the Archdeaconry of Essex a l viin,t the Catholic Claims.—Ordered to lie on the table. Mr. H. DAVIS presented several Petitions from Bristol, from the parishes of St. Peter's, All Saints, St. Mary Refit:litre, and Bedminster, against the Roman Catholics, which, after a few words from Sir J. M atKirs- Toms, were ordered to lie on the table. Petitions were presented by Mr. DOWNIE, from the Magistrates and Town Council of Stirling, signed by 629 inhabitants of that burgh and its vicinity, against the Roman Catholic Claims.--Ordered to lie on the table. INVERI7RY PETITION. Lord A. HAMILTON moved that the Petition front Inverury should be referred to the Committee on Scotch Burghs.--Ordered to lie on the table. After a conversation of some length, in which Lord Fan, Mr. J. P. P G __KANT, and Sir 6. CLERK par ticipated, Sir J. NEWPORT, in consideration of the import ant business about to come on, moved that the de hate on the Inverury Petition should be adjourned till Monday. Sir R. FER6USON seconded the motion, which was agreed to, and the debate was adjourned till Monday. Mr. HUME presented a Petition from R. Hayes, of Wexford, against the Bill now before the Howie for re gulating the intercourse with the See of Itome.—Or tiered to lie on the table. Sir T. LE fHBRI DIIE rose to present two Petitions against the Catholic Claims: the one from the Clergy of the Archdeaconry of Bath, the other from Fen show, in Somersetshire; the Petitioners wished the Ito man Catholics to enjoy every species of religious li berty that could be afforded to them with safety to the Coustitution, but they were opposed to the Bill now before the House. They were of opinion that more Mr. C. W. WYNNE consi.lereol the question to he of t.onie impssrtaner, and n ished the considerAtion of it to he po4ponell till a future. d ty. Mr. 31.111111.‘TT thought it hard that a Petition Aitoaltl hr refoutril because it was in French. I inning • thi• did from a place uln.:e the French Imiguage was in general use. Mr. C. W. WYNNE said, it tras not contended that the Petition should not he received at all. In one • nr other it wight fob,. brun r ;lit before the House, hot lie hail doubts whether it could he vereivi. I vith• out titst being r. notered into Enolisli. *liiis could easily he t10..e, and then there would he no oh-tacle in the way of its being presented. If petitiot.s blight he presented in all the varinti. laistria tt . spohett in the different possessions of this country. it %told , ' hue he eessury for the llow‘e ti , have a ert of (Irks to trans- Lite them to the Mettibt.rs. . • • Mr. 31.11 M YAT'r consented to with !raw the Peti tiun fur the present. C %THOM(' I'ETITIoN.:. Mr. I.OCIOI.IItT presented a petition from the Mayor, Intifflß, and Commonevhof the City of Onfor , i, against the Rowan Vistholie Claitns.— , -Ordered sts be printed. ,$4 W. SCOTT presented a Petition from the elm t:'y and Archileaconry of Big •leswadc, on the same -übject.—Orilere.l to lie on the table. Mr. WIC ItEltFt /BCE presented a Petition from cer tain Boman Catholics of Staffordshire and Warwick shire, petitioning certain pros isions contained in the Bi!ls nun in the House, re-petting the Homan Catholics, which they conceived went to place them and their fellow Roman Catholics in the situation of criminal, and praying relief. The Hon. Member did not concur in the prayer of the petition ; but ra it had !wen forward- il to him, he had thought it his duty to present it to the !louse. Sir T. CETI-11181 E did not rise to oppose the mo tion for laving this Petition on the table : on the con trary, tie congratulated the House on the occasion of its having been presented. Ile, front the sentiments ex pressed by these Petition:Ts, would call upon the iiollbt to p nose hefote they went further with the Bills now in the House, one of which went to give the Catholics what they wanted—the other to impose restraints epos them, to which they were not subjected at present. What reason could they have for thinking these mea s ures would satisfy the'Roman Catholics, when a Petition like this was presented from them, with the name of Dr. Milner attached to it:—(llear, hear, larar.)—What reason, he would repeat it, could they have for sup. posing that these measures would satisfy the Catholics, and he apprehended it was the wish of the Right Hots. ifentleman to satisfy them, or else braid not know what his object was: If the Bill, wields the Catholics wished to pass into a law, were passed, the Protestants, he was sure, could not be satisfied, unless another Bill were passed to impose snch restrictions as could nut be other than unpalatable to the Catholics. He could see no reason for two Bills being brought in, unitss he assumed that the one which the Catholics desired should be passed, was intended to be permanent, while the repeal of the other, at no distant period, was in contemplation. Hr hail no doubt, that if these measures were now passed, they would in a few years find the Catholics coming again to Parliament to petition for the repeal of one of them. The loyalty and mesit of the Petitioners he would be the last man to deny. Ile had a great respect for the Catholics both of this country and of Ireland ; but still be had ever thought it his duty to o:Tose their claims, and he would continue to do so. tiranting all they desired would, in his opinion, he I:keiy to subject the country to the same disasters which had unhappily been experienced at a former period of our history, and front which we had only relieved ourselves by means of laws—nut like those now in torce against the Roman Catholics, but by such as were in force fifty or sixty Years ago. Of the repeal of those laws which were no longer in force, he did not complain, but hr hoped the House would not take a course that would be likely to • reproduce the misery formerly known. For the 'tight • Hon. Centlewan who hail brought these Bilk into the I (louse, lie had in common stills the whole country, the highest respect, and he regretted that a person of his high character and knowledge should advocate the Ca tholic claims. Ile knew the st eight that Right lion. ' Gentleman must have with the public, but this su rgestcd no reason why he should not continue to oppose the measures introduced in conformity with the views of the Catholics. He concluded again con.,:ratulating the , House on the presentation of this Petition. Mr. PLUNK ET I' was satisfied that the Honourable Baronet was sincere in what be hail said, and had done what he conceived to be his duty to his county . by anticipating the debate of that night. The Hun. Baronet, by mentioning the !Mlle of Dr. Milner, had . saved him from the necessity of calling un the clerk to read the first name of this petition, which he be • liesed would be found to be that of Dr. Milner, one of the Apostolic Vicars of the Roman Catholic Mr. PLUM; TT resonted. A'.l I.e desired was. that it should be !wen the naute of Itr. Milner was at tached to tlis Petition, He was it.tt astonished that the Hon. B tronet. nho declared that be never could he brought to mbmit to make air.• concessions to the Homan t'Vholi:•., and %clime areuv.r.:t went to regret tlir the laws which %cere in force GO %TAT, ago had '.,stes sh•nild find sue pot: in the unreasoning Softy whieil had opposed the %:(...vs i 1 the Roman b: ft.:.. Ile was satisfied, and he liassght the country tr.i, ronvince.i, the: h goo 1 it g la with :n reach. Bn: whentyir C•ie goo l was seal, MUM thifi; was sure 9 ,, to daait t::e Loony cherished ex:seetation. The ,roue evil -pii.t which, in the year 1 !.. 4 13, ha! tiptoed itseif 1 , 1 t.:e %visites of the Cathy , lies. and the p"ace of :lit f'Jtlll!ry Wa; ac.iu at work. He must presutne the person he h. 1.1 meta:tried was at the bottom of the present petition,which 1 :e was satis fied di 1 nut fairly represent the feelincs :1:e Roman latholice of this couutre. The petition resented to the noose by the lion. - Men her for Aylechniry, was lignesi by sere° Apostolic Vicars. 1 Ner:• were hut right, anti the 114:lit of Ur. Maser s.:s the on!y one that w-as wanting to that petition. The eighth had been withhe:d from that petition of conciliation,. to be a:tat bed to that en the appearance of which OM Horamrable Baronet bad now cougrattilated the Homy. Ile did sot wish to say any thing disrespectful of a gentleutan of Dr. llilner's station in life, and of a person of his reverend cliarActer ; there were certain facts which ought to be stated for the infor mation of the e. This Ur. Milner was the Sltsic gentleman who (IMP Coward is I°l3. when the finale ain't to adopt a measure fir the re• lief of the ll%.man Catholics, to oppose inch a deci sion, and it. considered it priocipally throngs hies that that ta.tition h tsl 1-een rejected. This was the sante Gentleman who hail twnierly been entrusted with the management of the affairs of the Catholics in tisk contitiy, but whose late. [ciente was now disclaimed by that body. lie had further to state with respect to Dr. Milner, that he ( tir. Plunkett) htol at this time in his possession a do cument, in which that 6e:ideation was charged to have .1-clatiol that the day which saw Catholic cowl cip.sticu granted, would be the duty of the downfall of the I:ostiass Catholic reg . is this country. The object of that Reverend Person appeared to be, not to prevent the (low:trail of the Raman Cathollt retigion in this cautery ; no. hot to prevent the extinction of religious ditherenee , . It Ltd been asked by the Hon. Baronet how, after sorb a petitiol hail hero pr:sente., hr (Mr. Plisn!iett) cont.! hope t.i ;ti , fy th.• Itontan Catholic'? Toibisite repli, if, that he had n:!v. r en• trrtained the (historical hope ut es.7ry ones Iligutrv, he knew, was unchangeable in its cliarat t..r-.- obstinate, and blind to its utcu interest. 'I his w:.s unit* olitly the ease with : with itoroan Ca tholic bigotry as well as with Pcutestant bigotry. Fur hivory time followed in vain : it 'ran as it were, stranded and reuiaiued alone, woiaiipping figures which it had trace I in the sand long after the waters had washed every vestige of them away. - It wm nut to be subdued by reason ami areumeat, for, as bad been well remarked by an Honourable ind Learned Friend of hi., to confute oas only to exasperate. had now to state, that Le felt it to be ins duty to oppose the laying ut tilts petition on the tabl e . It was not addressed to that House. There was no such body as " The Coustnuni of England and Ireland," yet thus they were addressed in this petition. That House consisted of the Reßreoentatives of Great Bri tain sad Waged, and no person hail a right to address them as the Cousinutis of " EnglAnd and Ireland," leaving out all meation of that part of the United Kingdom called Scotland. He then desired that ao first part of the petition should be read.- (fhe Clerk read the petition, which was addressed to the Uuited Kaights and Burgesses Gf England and Ireland.]-- peition so addressee}. He uppteKed the re. cption of a Lord NI: ENT said, when he brought forward. the Petition ut the Catholics too y ears ago, the Petition was signed the. Apostolic Vic.o., and the Rev. Or. Milner haul ,igned with the others. lie, however, thought it right to withdraw his name the day beforelt was pre.ented. What his object must have bees, and what his view' in doing so, he would leave the House ttl judge. Every one who coati act as Dr.Miiner. had act ed, he o wild willingly leave to the company of the Hoe. Baronet. Sir U. HILL was of opinion, that Dr. Milner, in cow ing forward as he had done, to declare his sentiments at once, bad acted more fairly than the Irish Prelacy and Clergy did in They did not let their feelings transpire imsneiliately, but nitimately rejected the mea sure then proposed. When such bigotry and obstina4 had been displayed in 1413, were they now without the slightest proof that any change had taken place in the disposition of the Catholics to give up our Protestant Constitution ? It would be difficult to prove that the 'measures now before Parliament would conciliate the Catholics, and it mould not be maintained that they bad I any value at all if they did not promote political friend ; ship and union. Mr. WILBERFORCE would he sorry that the Peti tion should be rejected for any little informality , in the wordieg of it. Hr believed the objection of the Right Hun. Gentleman to be valid. He, (or his own port, was ag:tinst the contents of the Petition, but to reject it tilt such grounda would, he feared, aggravate the essorers , tiun whirls prevailed, and he thought it would sot be well to avail themselves of a technical defect, whoa so much stronger grounds offered for opposing themselves LI its prayer. Mr. PLUNKETT consented to withdraw his oppo sition. Mr. J. 5.111111 remarked there were many Dames at tachml to the Petilior, evidently written by the same hand. This he considered highly übjectiooohle. Mr. H. lIK 'UHT was satisfied this question could never be set completly at rest, sinless the House cog , ceded ail the Catholics required, or resolutely woo their co-ii where the; now were. He therefor stroa6ly te..omusended that they shealel tale( *sir , . f ,r 1