The Statesman. — London, England, 1821-06-07 00:00:00

i R 4 'V _~~ ,t -s Vat* IhP.Toitt lie on the table, ~. . • . Me. .8. WORTLEY presented a Petition from the 'OW Merchants of Halifax against the Wool Tax...- Ordered abe printed. - • • Led STANLEY preieeted a Petitioniristn Ash bourne, in Derbyshire, against the Poor LasisEigula tion Bill.•• . • . . . • Mi. stAntstr referred to an instance.beeein a Ina^ . 1 1 01 . _Prcfelfsd re c e i v in g 6s. lid. p er w eek from the perish to the receipt of Ss. a week for-work.. The Petition was ordered to lie on the table. , CLOVER SEED. .... CoIonetDAVIBS brought in a Bill to prevent the 'Alliteration of Clover Seed.—Read a first time, and moved to be read a second time on Friday next. Mr. ROBINSON said, the as this was a Bill enact • isg penalties, it was desirable that it should be fully understood by the House, and more time ought to be given for its consideration. Colonel DAVIJS observed, that if the Bill were not speedily passed, it would not answer the purpose for which it was brought in. In compliance with the Right Hon. Gentleman's wish, however, .11E had no ob . jectioo to postpone the second reading to Wednesday i4filtt. . ... elr. WI.LBERPORCE postponed the dropped order Of the preceding day, relative to the Slave trade,' till Wednesday next. CRIMINAL LAWS. . . • • Sir JAMBS MACKINTOSH moved the Order of. Pay for reprising the Reports on the Dwelling House Robbery, and the Robbery on Navigable Rivers Bills. . lie fort;ore making any observations on the subject of these Bills, as he understood it was not intended to make any opposition to them in that stage.—The He ports were thee brought up and read, •and.the Bills ordered for a third reading on Friday. .. • .:, TOBACCO. • . Me•hUSHINGTON brought in a Bill to alter the duties ou Tobacco and Snuff: • Mr. lint NET and Mr. BRIGHT made some objec tioo to the Bill. air. IsI7SHINGTON said he should wish the House to have ample time for the consimleratiams of the Bill. The Hill was read a first time. and ordered for se cowl. reading on Wedmesdey next. Mr. Alderman WOOD brought up the Report on the • Keidence on the London Bridge Commitee.---Or tle.ed to lie on the table. Mr. ItICABDO presented a Petition from an Inha bitant of Glamorganshire, relative to the amelioration of the state of the common classes of society.—head, umai ordered to lie on the table. . ADMINISTRATION OF TOBAGO. Imsrtl NUOENT moved, pursuant to notice, for a Committee to examine into the state of the Judicature ia the island of Tobago. The Noble Lord descanted upan some cases of great hardship, reflecting, as it appeared to him, upon the Magistrate , of Tobago, • aim *wing the necessity of inquiry. fly way of purify ii,g• the administration of justice in that part of tile world, he should propose that the Caribbee Islands he divided into two districts, with a Chief Justice and A ttorney-lieneral-Sweech, paid from home, in order to maim them independent of local influences. Mr. W. SMITH seconded the motion. He would - tor say a word relative to cases quoted by his Noble Ft iewl, because be had one to state of his own. 'I he rase he had to state was connected with the Lord Chief Justice of that island, Pigott. lle was well acquaint ed with the brother of that Learned personage, and v. as convinced that any advice he would give to a per son actimig . in sucli a situation would be most laudable :iisti carreilt. Ile had been long enough in the /louse in remember the entrance of Mr. Warren Hastings lotoit to make his defence to the charge urged against lain, and the impression made on his mind by that de cenra w a s, that the wind of a man because tinged with semitlairsots and prejudices consi‘tent with the scenes it was tor a g'reat length of time familiarised with. It was in that manner that he accounted for some of the t .a s itinsents 44 a man who in other respects possessed Imrillient. and 31eining qualities, and it was in that way only ho could account for the present Chief Justice Pigott lielimg-contiected with any cases of the nature Of those which had deer stated to the House. • The II mil: blemish . then stated the caw of one Peter-Single too, who had, been formerly carried from a part of time high-road where he was resting from Editor and sick ness, to the nearest town, where he was put in the suck., - kept there the whole of the night, and recoil 'eyed to the spot whence he was taken the following sooreitik, .This.act of oppression was committed by a Me..Sinclikr Without any apparent cause, who stated wfiert be was applied to on the subject, that he was sorry he had put the man in the stooks. He bad ap peared to him to he a stranger, which was suspicious, hut that he this not know that he was a freeman, or would not have treated him so. An irtdividual also bed brie kept in the stocks for eightten:itours, - bad beep presented by the party who kept itios•lisere with 4'hat. : This was thought a sufficient recompense for wiemetaaaa on whom such a punishment had been an juatlrindicted. From this, which it should be re inaisibered was no exaggerated statement of 'the ag gtieeedisartr. bit a case offered in extenuation by Ott CblifJeitice, endeavoariug to make oat a favour able eat's, for 'a person whom be described to be a respect able mon, he was led to infer that the Mate of society inTrshago.wmut not what could be wished ;-. and that* poet man when aggrieved bad but little choice of ob taining redress. Ile made some remarks OD the de fect* adutioiMritiom of the island, inkunlbe ninn ies mitid couititution of the House of Assesemitie ; and see firth the importance of instituting an inquiry, - with - a s tir, pf eorrecting the evils brought wader the-eonsi deration of the Henn. Mr. DOULBURN, In the few obeervatioiss which 10 bad to (Ai, did lot •intead to enter Welsh' latter pert Of thicaitlfooglit before' the Hoese bithe No ble Lad. •He stinald be ready to go into it wheel • ploppe.popertanity arrived, bet at preseetnte- tie -es wetbklso oejnstifsebir to detain the Renee: • Some of the effects complained tiff, •gettw - .4l‘b *O O ll - WW I liaea COM* tted le** Colsrairei. io Whisk, Mini. "4".. rt : .4" *lle : 4 the Iltillek Spatial's& lead 9 .. V sloragiw il4a. l as t s ti,r ceolAtiegeloserepia:fletons.beetirl rar.in L i 14 . 411 "" PCV . to. [Mike htegtlketslocieriag applicable to- serftabealtal ,pot. tender whose authority tm._ tabliaked, to Impute what Itself had caused -as a crime to the present inhabitants of Tobago.. He stewed that great improvements had been. effected in the course of the last twenty years, and he particularly noticed that change which had been effected by the admission wave:: to give evidence in Courts of Justice. — would now apply'him:elf to the question, whether or not a Select Committee ought to be appointed en inure into the administration of Tobago. — He always felt much regret when obliged t t p resist a motion relating to the colonies (and especia6y re • la:ing to the Vest India Island s ) the ob j ect of which was to gain information respecting the administration; but in the present instance, be fit it his duty to .ap pose the motion of the Noble Lord, because, if. car ried, it would lead to the appointment of a Committee, not of inquiry, but of condemnation. A Committee appointed at the present moment, could not I. ad to a satisfactory result; as however the Session might be prolOnged, it mild not be expected that any witnesses could he examined but those whom the Noble Lord happened to have ready., Rh were thought new. sary to call for the attendance of those individuals now in the West Indies, who were the subjects of neeliSas tion, the summons could not be obeyed in the course of the present Session, and this circumstance alone would suggest to the Noble Lord one strong objection to the motion before the Hulse. To appoint a Select Committee at this late period of the Session might lead them to form an erroneous conclusion, but could not enable it to come to a satisfactory decision, still 'less to a decision upon which it could hereafter -ven ture to act. It was not for hint to defend the pro ceedings mlecribed by the Noble Load to have taken place in the island of Tobago, but time Noble Lord would perceive that the statement which lie had made this day, differed very materially from that which had previously been brought under tin. consideration of the Secretary of State. He was aware that confine ment in the stocks, even for purposes of safety, would not he sanctioned by that Honour-Ale House, unless a, strong reason fur resorting to such a practice were sa. tisfactomily made out. With respect to time Chief Ju stice, be had no personal knowledge of that gentleman —he oaly knew him front the part which he had takes in colonial legislation, and hoot information which he had received from a person, from whom he (Mr. lioniburn) had always differed in politics, but fur whom he had, notwithstanding, a very 'sincere re spect—Sir Arthur Pigott. The Chief Justice, the bro ther of the gentleman he Im id just mentioned; bad, like Sir Arthur, been hrouglit up to the law. It had heel' said thot lie was the manager of an estate ia St. Detiiiiigo. Ile believed that he had been for the no minee of his brother on his estate. This would take in so:ne measure from what had been said on this sub ject, and still tw,re would he talieu from any slur sup posed to attach to him on that acconut, if he were to state what his brother ha.l infirtue.l hint (Mr. burn) had been the conduct of this firtitletusu pn that estate nit,' re.pect to the negro lwyulatiou, and if lie were to tell bow notch the slaves tei.re indel.ted to his Immituatiity. From the tiara he (Mr. ti.) hail bad the pleasnre of 'mowing any thing of the Chief Justice, his conduct had been such as was most coni!ucive to his own honour, and must touillicive to the good of the island, and in no respect what it bad been supposed to he by the supporters of time present charges. To bini they owed the laws sanctioniug the inaucimission of slaves, and removing the inipeditneuts which bad formerly stonil in the way of their becoming free. His amiable disposition was seen in the measure whitti lie bail introduced on this subject, as one of its prof sions went to enable slaves who haul paid part of the price of maninnission without obtaining their freedom, to re ceive for their lives the interest of the money which they had paid. He hoped what he hail said would go to prove that if this Itentlessiau had erred, his conduct hail nut been reprehensible from habitual cruelty, bet from those failing to which all were liable. He comin sidered that to appoint a Committee now, would only have the effect of obtaining evidence on one side of the question. lie must oppose the motion. Mr. BARHAM had promised his support to the present note , not only 'because he thought inquiry ca lled sae it in this particular case, but because Ise was always ready to favour !notions which had fist their object to obtain information on a subject connected with which much misrepresentation prevailed on the internal state of the West lumlia Colonies. Ile re gretted that time Noble Lord had deviated front I is purpose into generalities on the authority of an anony mous accuser. Wishing for inquiry as much as the Noble Lord could do, he proposed to move an amend• ment to the motion of time Noble Lord, which be thought would secure inquiry commensurate with the evil complained of. He animadverted At some kogth on the abuse frequently heaped on those coau*ted with the Indies. AU 'pectic charges knaras see entertained ; every motion for general infinity lie Was always ready to support ; but against that sweep ing abuse to which he had allmoliol, he must enter his protest. He described the different situations in which the French and English Colonies were placed by she regulations of the two countries, and on this subject read a few Hues limn a letter which Lad lately bees sent to 'the Colonial Department. is The French- Co lonies (it was stated in the letter) enjoyed a free trade to the United States of America, and in cou.seqnence they bad a good sale for their prodace, and hail all their wants well supplied. It was the absence of such a regulation that caused the misery and famine wit nessed in the British West India Islands." He beb lieved a trier picture of the state of the West India Colonies had never been drawn. Ile explained various j supposed hardships among the negroes which bad been complained of, and showed that much misconception existed with respect to task-work. Supposing a lief of 58 slaves, the work could only advance at *hatpin . to which the weakest was equal. This fell bard on hint, bat it was toot the weakest who wag most.eapabla of making hie.voice heard, and Phew who were.strodrer, preferred the regulations in question, send, woald ton sent to no alterations. It was therefore to the shares, ' and del to the aiastersOliat the systeM.Waslebas7Ads-1 paled. • Feeling that. Jhe object of his Mold not be sissified in the present Seaside', he-awliel4 *.t all the srprds-of_ the- ariginal amnion aftestaltie . word " That," be omitted for the repos& 'Caddies ss, had been made out to call for it, and no single Com mittee iambi be equal to the task. If the Honunr able Gentleman would limit his amendment to the island of Tobago he would s-ete for it. To him it appeared that a case hail been mule out for inquiring Into the state of the Aciniirsistration of Tobago: and lacing out of his consideration the names of all the individuals who were the objects of accusation, he was bound to say that the more excellent the charac ter of those individuals, the stronger was the pre sumption that the defects of the system revived cor rection. He then went over the cases which had been brought forward by his Noble Friend. These. from the course fit:ratted by the authorities in the island, seemed to be deviations from, -but specimens of, the ordinary practice, and therefore inquiry was ne cessary.lf in such a case inquiry were not granted, it appeared to him that for the time to cotne the Colonial Administrations must go on unClieeketi by the British Parlianietit. He commented on a charge being preferred against an individual for using improper words in a :private party. When it was remembered that the dinner commenced at one o'clock, and that it was not till half-past nine that the gentlemen rejoined the ladies—When the thirst caused by a tropical Cliiiiate was remembered, and the frequent libations which were likeiy to he made—and when it was moreover remembers (I that the words objected to were ap slo gisesl f sr that night by the individual selso had uttered then., and sepia on the following morning, the con duct of the host who had made them the subject of a charge before the Governor and Council against his tritest, would, he was Sur.', tweet with nu approbation in that House, especially warn it was remembered titat this,lll.l takets place in a part of the world which, with ad it faults, load ever been celebrated for hos pitality. lie concluded, repressing a hope that the Honourable Gentleman would alter his Amendment, en that the inquiry should be limited to the island of Tobago. Mr. NIARRYATT said, though it bad been pro ' posed that the Committer called for should be one, not of condemnation, but of inquiry, in this instance inquiry awl condemnation had been seen to go hand in hand. Ile denied that it was cwrect to astsustie Most the administration of justice could not be impar tial in the small West l u did Islands. Ile bad lived in one of them f si teas years, and hail three times bad 0.-casion to go into a Court of Justice. One of his acrusati ins was brought against the President of the another against one of the Judges, who was at the same time the largest lauded proprietor in the It land. lu boils cases he had obtained verdicts, which could not have happened laud the system been inch as to preclude a humble individual from obtain ing redress when aggrieved. The proposition for a sort of ambulatory or sailing commission to adosiois ter justice its all the West ludic Islands, he thought , very objectionable. Many accidents might occur, sod all the Jitslees and Barristers might be carried orlsette the Spanish Main whets they were wanted in the Co and administration of justice in all fur West Its,:ia Islands might be completely at a stand. He should not object to a Commission being sent oat to inquire into the Adininstration of Tobago, but the appointment of a Select Committee, either in this or the nest Session of Parliament, would certainly meet with Isis opposition. Mr. WILBERFORCE thought, from the facts which had been stated, the presumption was, that acts of gross impropriety had occurred. and was therefore of opinion that souse inquiry ought to take place. This he thought due even to the individuals who were un der consideration. The inquiry would, he thought, be better prosecuted in this country, and he there fore hoped the Ausenthnent of the Honourable Gen tleman, if limited to inquiry into the effects of the Administratiou of Tobago, world be agreed to by the House. • Mr. BARHAM explained. Mr. J. P. GRANT said, if the present Amendment were negatived. he would move one, pledging the Hour• to the appointment of a Committee to enquire iwto the state of Tobago, early in the next Session of Parliament. After a fr.v words from the See tarn and Mr. J. P. lja %NT, Sir J. MACKINTOSH said, his Noble Friend would withdraw his motion, and Isis lion. Friend (Mr. Bat bans) his amendment, so that the flume would then br riles fly at liberty to adopt the suggestion which Ise had ventured to throw out. Mr. It:U(11.111 withdrew Isis amendment. Mr. 4101: LBC RN said, that before the' Honse went to a division upon this ((tuition, he wished to give his reasons for the vote he intended to give. The SPEAKER said, that the amendment intended (an stand mnst be proposed before the Hon. Member Leonid speak npnn It. Lord NUGENT expressed his willingness to give ,up his original motion, and to support the Amend ment for a Resolution of the House to go into a Com mittee upon the subject early in the next Session. The original motion was then withdrawn, and a Resolution to the foregoing effect was moved by the Noble Lord. Mr. 6017LBURN said, that he was not averse from inquiry into the state of the island ; to prove which he was ready to support the appointment of a Com mission to be sent out to make that inquiry. He must, however, object to that House pledging itself to go' into a Cursitnittee, which , must drag the Uovernor and the whole Government of the Island over to•tbis country.. Lord NUGENT said he objected to any inquiry that should be carried on within the limited sphere of the society of one of the small West India Islands. 'I Ire House then divided, when there appearedis—For 'the Resolution. 66--Against it, 104—Majority. SP. Tug DUKE OP CLAREXCE. The Marquess of LONDONDERRY rem and salamis-, ed the Meuse, but. in so inaudible s tout of voice Ow!, ‘ottlf the substance of What he at add be collected ju thievellery. Ale had to idyls abg Mosso that -helot beep oonunanded by isititagalliighnees the Poke of tillke~ce to makercoomonnieitloo. pm . fiats to doing( imfikett he Adald move-that tile Cleft do read tire mots. goo of the *Mtge of the 11th of Mwil, DRS, seisich was roe to sorts a frog:gots fooadW epos a Message them trots seceivtd Ins Higlineis the Prince Regeot. Wet ti-e 46. that 410 %viten Sti.t4:4o . pearl tat _ iiiinself of it at that time opot) grilitilis which wp ro : b e , 4ll cer tainly highly creditable to his teelnigs. His ft„ va ili z i. oess now f o und it desitahle,•and nniler existing circumstances it was not inconsistent with his fernie r conduct, to receive the pr iviaion whioi Parliament ie ita liberality hal granted. The Noble Marquess there. fore stated his iiitentimi of proposing to carry into ef fect the grant which the !liaise hail at that time made. He now gate notice that, the proceedings having orie . lusted regularly in a Melisage from the Craven, he /Mull move that the resolution which bail been read edunitid he referred to a Counnittee of the whole House Mk Friday next. .Mr. 111 - ME wished to ask the Noble Marques (Londonderry) whether this was not a new pr . ceeding altogether, and whether. it did not, there. fire, requite a new Message front the Crown. H. wished the Noble Marquess to inform the Hums, e s , what property had been left by hia late Ilajeaty, vi a what share of it belonged to hi., Royal iti g a irt „, til , Duke of Clarence. The wants of hi , Ito.-al 11 1 i . 1 n , lis would he la better sopplied from that ott soiree . la , from the Consolidated Fond, which wag Are t a y sal id to the pressing necessities of the country. , *I he Mattress. of !MN DONDERRY appreli es ed that the snhiects to which the Hon. Member had al„ Wed would be much more properly diseassed,wh is , a the question came regularly before thi house. Ani l respect to his first inquiry , the me g u r i o n u sy nil l e y d oli o l n ri I t i h r e a p n re e v w io n t l i i s .a s s l u e r s: , i n it . .1 . to V - stag g eel t t out of the re-obition of I a 14. Mr. FORBES beg4eil leave to inquire of the Nob!, Marquess whether a provision was to be made for h a Royal Ilielitiesa the Duke of Ciiiiikerlatil. Ile hopid if ciese subjects were as iii coming bef ire the B oot ~ that there would be no objection urged to that upon the ground of character. The Marquess of LONDONDERRY rose amidst cries of “Order." Ile would submit to the Houst whether it was expedient to ra:se an argument of so very delicate a nature upon all occasion like the pre. sent. This was entirely a new measure, and whollr unconnected with any farmer transactions. Ile did hope that the Hon. Member would not persist in the kind of reniarks which had fallen from liiiii. Mr. FORBES was aware that tliia was a new mea sure, and so might be a grant to the Doke of Cumber land. He could tell the Noble. Maripiess, that he should only vote fur the allowance to the Duke of Cla- rence after a similar one to the Doke of Cumberland hail been made. Ile considered that that Royal Duke had not a sufficient allowance as a bachelor ; and as one of the Blood Royal lie was as much entitled to provision as the rest. Sir I. COFFIN laid he mutt protest against any right which entitled the Members of the Royal Blood to pros ision. They were entitled only to what the Parliament thought proper to giant, and which he had no doubt would at all times be suitable to their dignity, and correapotident to the affectioa which was cutertained towards the Royal Family. Mr. FORBES explained, and the coarersation then ended. The Orders of the Day foe the committal of the Rib vage Acts were read, fur the purpose of being putts potted to Monday e.e'nnight. AMERICAN I.OYA LISTS. Mr. IV. COURTENAY rose to bring forward the motion of which lie had given notice, relative to the claims of the American Loyalists. The Hon. Member contended Hoyt many of that most deserving and un fortunate class of men bad never received one farthing of real compensation fur the sacrifices which they i made for the public Cane of this country. He con ceived that the course which it woold be most regular for him to pursue would be to move a resolution, that the House do resolve itself into a Committee, to coll uder of the compensation due to the American Los , alists who remained uncompensated. according to the report and award of the Commissioners appointed to investigate their claims. Sir S. BERNARD seconded the motion. The Hos. Member supported the claims, but in a tone of voice inaudihle in the gallery. sir. BARINti said, that if the claims of these iedi "ldeals were just, he hoped no lientlenias would scruple to allow them upon the ground of our prawns Amiability to pay them. lie was, however, doodahl arbether the demands made were founded in justice. the Hon. Meutber remarked upon the proceedings id the Commission of 1783, and said that it ended by em party being dissatisfied, and at lasts sum of moneys( was paid by them to our Commissioners to corer the whole claims. This was equally distributed, and hit Maid not see but the British merchants had as owe right to farther compensational these individuals U they bad separate claims put in by the Commissisiet• *he claims were considered to he provided fee b the article of the Treaty of Peace. At any rate their situated' should 'have been ntade.4o yen . ago. Mr. WYNNE supported the motion. It wee tutees ally to spew the public, that persons who really were loyal, should not lose by their loyalty. 'I hey were traders who had forfeited their property for their loy alty, and they ought to be compensated. . Mr. MONEY said, that there never was a grew? breach of good faith than the ease under diacussista presented. It was neces , ary for the Home to Mt skier what those loyal Men were entitled to, who had *lves up every thing for England. In 1783, d ie the tParfiainent promised to be generous to them, an *Sit, the Parliament was called upon to be just. Many of the unfortunate persons had grave without compensation , and it appeared, slighted lii *ay had been, that no reproach had escaped. That circumstance certainly increased their claim to theocates 41 gratitude of the country. Among the adv abuse m were some of unfortunate en,sunk into the the brightest oi elements of the nation. His Hon. Friend the Mester for Bramber, was among the number. He might 'ay iltie Honourable Fricod had Mr been eloquent i s the . illaUS • e ofjuetice and lansaukty. HO upost arde nt it " tree motion. . • ire iris to compensate the p arties, Mr. WA IZERFORCE said, I l e was an adr lie le 4 9. lalis liglili 'these diaiMi; sad 4. it. *O. diet re ey iliiiiiibe vatipa i d 6i .i.auld giavnedhiisn,ourpdpoerrtiliatti died that tlie lib foliniati persons were entitTed te . I :O hr oep y h ely: c l i c:n ue , filenalitgtiliteissie:elilieetidtitioeyhXd i bee n 1 : 1 woo l. An! P` , : • tr .,- re . l 'pi" Slait it wai air= • • .. 1 . • . • ' • .. • • ; i i • • - . i The Clerk accorthagly rearl the fesolntion w - hicla we t • - . TFig 8 .% . S. AN-' . _ . . ... .. • . • — ; I : e t " a ;.; s 7, , r e t : t i i n cith ill i t e i n it e re " . * lo : + a vq 'on o t tri : f t u : r iz a h,tn.e g iiir 7 .lll.ou :l it t a.r. c .ii : itle !: : :7 :7l_,,io ar iar . ar: p una e . r .)..,c,Nr a i i )i . i : n .i i: Ni t . n ..:).it. t .f i trait h ilf e y:" ta ti l l t ts:: * *Litilistitait • that the petition do he open. the table, and that it be sessions. he Pressed on the considerationi t t .tie I est. w 4 this printed: • . House the peculiar iirenntstances under wiliels. S'oe‘ r mein, L .els i i t i. e Mr. STI:ART WORTLKY presented a Petition ciety of -Tobago had been formed, and contendbd that into the Admi ration of ... ..l e itsti!! ittlpa . W‘st ind .... ... n . tg t . it woolti he itt the recaliec. , jon of the ligtvot, the w i tru hi, I !l i g e . from the Chnrehwatdins and Inhabitants of Sheffield if,dafeetive, pod defeettire from its eonneition - With a Volottil4." 7l- - • 'tabile' therojw taws RegulatieS'lllll.—Ordered te slave system, it was not for the Britign.egislattire. ' KW' .1. MACKINTOSH - ohjeeted t* — the infinity he. •-•- '...• - • trader whose authority that alive system' had fern eis! ing extended to i f the West India Islanti, as no c4 . se it kafi,thus made what . it considered to he c $ 11 4,0,4 4 4 L.J L . :.... ....Am rant in ;At for it. and no single Com- prterutionfnr * hisKoyal 11i. , hetr.o:, tt:th•tlineti ar l iv n _ 't II I c 1 I i I