The Statesman. — London, England, 1821-04-04 00:00:00

TT - HE S CATESMA N. Ink W rate of duty upon Scotch barley, 9d. per 1)1144 was no more than they were entitled to enjoy under INF inferiority of the barley of that conntry. Thee Booed therefore to enjoy that low rate till Isl 9, an addition of Is. 211. per Mishel was made, increastil! the rate vonsider.ibl) above what it was ever in England. t'e would not take upon himself to state whether the ...Jur... of ISO-1 was right or wrong, but he believed it was looked upon as rather extraordinary on the part • rst the Chancellor of the Eveheqtter, to raise the ditty on 71 . 11,41 barley in the exorbitant tauter lee did, and that too without eking adequate moire to the Scotch hers of Isis intention. Ile wished to know if the Hieht Von. Gentleman had serious intentione of introdnting o Bill to lit the duty in England, Ireland, and Scotland, at Is. ltd. so as in press equally on il. Th• CIIANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER replied in a low tone of voice. IVe hclicve he said that he thought there was sufficient groom' for that general diffusion of slaty refereed to by the 11.121. lientleman. Lord.A. HAM t urox declared that he always thought the additional duty . opon Sroteli most unfair, in• gism+ as it was inferior to the English. In rouse sortiee of what had been done by Parliament in the last - iessina, he had no hope that any Odin( specific would be dose for Scotland. 'lie cause of Scotland Was indeed heroine hopeless. For that reason lie shoald support the reduction of this duty of Is 241. per quarter upon roglish barley, because he shoo's' so far he doing some for Scotism'. Marini( done so, he should confi dently call upon Country Gentlemen to support him in lornetiringa Committee, trltieb he hail hitherto been una ble to procure, Mr. COKE said, that if Suite!) Gentlemen, who voted agiiist this measure the other night, would now vote for ir, they might then vitt...A to be supported in the inte rests of their own country. They could only carry such a measure by union and yo-operVion. Hut if they split and divided their rotes as they had done, am l a large proportion was found voting for the Minister, they had no slain) upon others to support them. lie certainl y now wished for union, so as to throw out this additional duty upon malt, and then be should be perfecly ready to support the Noble Lord in getting the appointment of a Committee. If the Nol.le Lord supposed that lie was ever against that proposition, lie was mote misinformed. lie had always been ready to support any measure for the reduction of a tax, as far as it could possibly be done with safety. The Order of the Day having been read. .Ir. WESTERN rose simply to move the second read imp of the Malt Unties flepeal Hill. The Ilan. Member delivered tiro or three sen tences. but in so low a tone that rae could not cati.li their pm Sir ,1. SII ELI.EV spoke in a toll(' of voice which was frequently inattilible in the c•allerv. Parts of the county t Sunset in which he had been. were in a complete oar,. of ruin. 'Else farmers were bumming wholly un able to pay the poor rel.& ; many landed proprietors lead tl.eir farms thrown upon their hamls, and were thereby iorsolrest in the general distress. It was asked how the interesa of the debt was to lir ',Ala if twin Were taken of:. He olought the amount of this tax might be taken from the :Sinking Fetid. or the nest egg, as it hail been ctilesl by the Chancellor of the Exchequer. As the heist lion. Gentleman had so often matte nse of it for hi , own purpose., he could not see why it should he be yond his reach for supplying the deticincy which the r Iteal of this tax create. Ile considered the .I.ing Fund to Inr nothing - noire than a humbug on tt e country. lii wished, if the taxes could not be re drreil, that at least they might he made to press more ?pally upon property. For this purpose he considered nothing so adeqiiate as a limitted Protoirty Tax. Ile hod understood, with some alarm, that if this duty were taken off, 31inisters meant to region their places. Now till: was not what he wante.l. All lic wanted, and all the country wanted., tv3s. that they %%amid resign some or the taxes. Ile did hope that lion. Members would, by their speeehes and by their rotes that night, show that they really bad a disposition to econotnise, and to Tr: serve the removers of the (tawdry. The I b m, lir. WAND understood there were three EV! •Stions to be considered on the - present occasion.— P-4, whether the rottutry could ir" on with its pre set.' establishment with a reinced ineotne ?—settomlly, n briber the expense of these establishments could be re 'nee.' ?—and thirdly, whether a less burdensome tat eould he propoeed in lien of the duty on Malt? With regard is the first. be would not discuss the t restion whether the Sinking Fend olglit to be tolchetl or not, but be thenght when Parliament re f-vv...nixed the existence of a Sinking Fitful. it would lie monstrous sow to shrink from the principles which Pa-liament first adopted. If the Sinking Fund was a fallacy, it was at least one of very lung standing. 1!e also thought that our establishments could not he further reduced. and that it would be indecorons and nogeuerons, after voing, the farce a few slays ago. now to with' old the means of simporting it. The com pletion of slain in Europe slid not primate a tattling pe.sce. Far Isis part be would not consent to a small I -team' , Tax, for if there was to he an Income Tax at a!t, it should he a large one. The objections to the I Income Tax never aros e from its amount. but from the visitorial way in which it was collected. Ile thonzht it fair enough for theme lientlemen who were adverse to the measures of Government to check its extrava gance by lessening. its means, lint he called upon those li••ntlettien who were a Ivorates fur the Pitt system to tiro:ool.1 the estaltlislomoits OA/ grew (I,!t nt that sys tem, by a ff ording stitfi,•lent Inch s to the Government ti: ...trey it on. Mr. GRENrELL felt great pain ir a r,nowleilaing that he Ills, 'toed on this occasion from those honour able frienils with ot lova lie generally rut-. 1. Ile did agree with the I Bent. who hail just spoken. hut more iiarticitlarly on the sithl,ett of the Sinking Fund. As for the fallary to which the 11o:4.1;011. had advert c', he (Mr. tit-enroll) wished to get riil of that part of the Sinking Fund that was kept up by borroa for this part of the system twist of necessity be a fal lacy. The only Sinking Fund that conl.l ever be op plic iltle to the reduction nt the debt, most lie the sur plus of the income above the expenditure of the coantry and from the ti.cince papers Lefore the [louse. it certainly did appear that there Was at this tttttt lent a clear. actual, and real Sinking Fund.—(Cheers from the Treasury Item-10-If, however, the fact were otherwise, it certainly did behove his Majesty's ministers to establish one, and an efficient one too, oitliont a day's delay. Ile was one of those who, in the year 11f19, gave his humble support to Bills for raising new taxes to the amount of three lie did so with the view of putting the finances of the country upon a solid foundation. upon which it might be enabled to recover from the embarrassments which the circumstances of the tittles hail created. It would be therefore a great inconsistency on his part. not having changed his opi nions since that period. if he slid not now oppose the repeal of this tax. It had been stated, both i n a nd one of that House, that by reducing the income, they would compel Isis Majesty's Ministers to adopt measures of economy and retrenchment. He thought this was be ginning at the wrong end.—(Hear, licar.)---In his .7"------------- _ oisiniuts, ineasures , of economy anJ retrclieliment t• as likely lo bo.olitßiord by leaving this lox on. as IT taking it Of. i llit'linances of th? country ought to 1w treated exartly in the sate' setty se the fortune ofa pri vate llemb-sim-s. And sopposing a person who f nail his estee heavtiv enctunbt red, anal wished to improve its cowlitiat4 he would ask if • the first step to be taken, tronlil be to reduce the • rents of his tenants ? Ile was one of those who never had, and who dill not mix despair of the resources of the rosintry. provided it hail fair play. He desired to be understood to wean by fair play, all practicable measures of rettenclanseut and ecouttusy. In such measures alone could they find a source for the gra dual extinction of tic itvional debt. There was one mode indeed, which had vonntautly been referred to in that Ilona-. and he ;sever heard it but with alarsit that tea', a breavl, 1.1 fails with the pnblie t.retlitor, Ile never tenni,' con s en t t.l any su.-11 principle, inasci notch as hr co nsidered that it would be followed by . system of plunder an.' spoliation which would hri I general ruin Num the country. if they were in that ' situation in which they were not—ll they could indult,' in the luxury of vises, be t s tv, that the Milt Tax Doty wonlii not he one which Is • should choose to be rt-peale,l.—(lime, bear). Honourable Nlesubers would lin,' themselves lainesitablv ilisappointitl, if they believed that its repet.l would aiford relief to the agri ealtural distre:s. / Mr. SAICKHART supported the Bill. The lion. Member who spoke last hot one had not contemplated the possibility of reducing the expeeditsre of the country, without also restoring the establishments which had been voted. He contended that I e agri cultural interests ought to he supported, or nillity meld not be expected fur the country. Aje equili basin ought to be preserved between every species of property. The lion. Member to whom he Au! Oust ed hail ettlo.zised the Slnkinsz Fund, and salt that it was supported by the greatest statesman ordte last thirty years—by 31r. Pitt as well is by Mr. Fox. Hut he forgot that the Right Honour able lientletuaa op posite wl he now supported was one who did not participate in the reliastee to be placed upon that fund. Those statesmen had in teality a Sinking Fund of 1 7 millions, whereas the Right lion. Halde man had reduce , ' it to two millions and a half. The lion. Member then argues!, that there were various sources front which the deficiency of this Tax might if necessary. be mask up. The farmers Conlii nut to on much longer unless something was done for their. relief. Ile knew that they were now ilaying their rents out of their stork. and that woad. only last, at the fardiest, for another year. Not only in istshalf of that class of persons lid he call upon the House to support the present motion, but he implored that they woul,l take into consideration as well, the misery and wretchedness of the millions who depended upon them. Mr. J. SMITIL thottele feeling as much as alty other wan for the distress experienced by the Agri cultural interest, yet differed altogether front the con clusion at which the Host. Member who spoke last had arrived. lie did not think tint the abolition of this tax would afford any material relief to the farmer. .t reduction of eight sltillino a quarter on malt would wit rt-duce one half-penny a pot in the pticsof beer. The advantage derived from it would only be in favour of public anal private brewers. The only relief that eon's' he adopted with effect was an &Beta don in the Poor Laws ; ill his opinion, it would be much better to employ a certain class of the poor in labour, rather than snake them depeulLints on the parish. lk wished to see this subject taken up by a certain lien tleman upposi . e ( Er. Sturges Bourne.) who had al ready done much towartls us.-liorating the condition of the poor. The lion. I teatlentan than proceeded to say that murk unsteressasy expense had been incurred in public establishments, whereas the money thus spent. might have been usefully employed. Ti,,, Penitentiary at 31illbank was of this *more, as was a!so a canal in Scotland, with other undertakings whirls rust the coun try immense sums. Ile must protest against certain sentiments delivered in that !loose with respict to the N a ti o n a l D e bt. It was said by wow persons that it was idle to attempt the preservation of the uation.:l credit, under the ctrt-usustances in which the country was Oared: hut no doctrine was more to be deprecated than this. There were new in the British inspire no less than eight or nine hundred thousand fundholders, and their property was :to intimately connected with all the institutions of the country. that to take any step tending to bring the funded resources of the country into jeopardy, ninth! he to commit : n act of fchrelg-sc. Ile next contended, that no 'male advantage could result from doing away the tan, while the Revenue wools, be considerable diminished by the measure. 'rise propo sition whirls he was most disposed to support. at toe present moment, was that which went to reduce all useless expenditure, of what description suever it 'slight Ile. Sir JOHN 1101.1111EY coldsl not support the repeal of the tax, unless it was to be looked upon as a measure of economy. and not as a substitution for any other measure a uirh was to impose burdens on the people. 1l r. 1'1"1:11' EN %optional the nation. It was lows,- ale that the Pat liattwut could separate without cowing to s.ytue general ine.t,ure for relieving the distresses of the agriculturists. tbuumht the relief bYi this repeal would be not to the farmer alone, lint to the labour. ras well. At :ill es. nts, to proceed a% we were now. was altogi Coq. impossible. The fondliolder he considered as toKellipt, et a great measure, from the pres sure of taxation. in di as lie received 104141/. a-vear without deduction, while the lanalliolder, in Poor-rates and other charges. paid at le.t.t :;• per rent. Ile would support a property t.ix ; but he called upon Ministers to look at the present state of the country ; and to those Oentlenien who accused the landholders of a desire to raise prices. be would say it rein tined for than to *hew that low prices• had contributed to the happiness of the pople. The Hon. Member, after some general obser vaet upon the resumption of Cash Payments, wilicL he slid not think Olt-dell the question, concluded by ex pressing his intention to support the Bill. .Ir. KEN NET'I (of Wilts) said, it was far from his wish to relieve one particular interest in opposition to any other ; certainly after the numerous petitions which 11.0 liven presented to the House. and after the statement• of the Hon. 31eittlier for Taunton, who aff initied the necessity of a relaxation of the Bullion Bill, he thought it time the House should endeavour to tinil some relief for the agriculturists. lie was generally for the support of national f.tith, but if it should be found that the income of the country was reduced to a certain I pitch, he thought it impossible to continue that national! faith. The National Debt %rasa millstone round the na tional neck. and unless it were disposal of we could not possibly goon. Aliplsing himself, however, immediate to the tax under considerafisiu.U. thought it fell prin cipally on the labourer. Formerly the labourer could obtain his beer at home. bat as the price of it bad in creased. aryl the price of labour had decreased. he was encouragal in public-house habits. With respect W the atnottnt of the tax, lie begged llon..Members not to be deceived by the official statements before the House. — Cheapness most naturally increase consnmption, and he doubted whether even the tiovernment would eventually hoed)) , a repeal of this additional duty. With respect to the general relief of the agriculturists, he thought difJest means of ensuring that relief would be by afforsT inrthe laloserer the means of supporting himself' and his fatally by the sweat of his brow, and thus diminishing the effect of the poor laws. For these reasons be should support the proposed resolution. Mr. K. DOUGLAS opposed the repeal. —Nothing, he conceived, had been shewn to indore a belief that it *meld particularly relieve the landholder; and he (Mr. D.) thonght it was a tax equally affecting the whole of the community. Mr. BRIGHT did not consider that the Malt Tax ipartit:nlarly affnleil the agricnltttral interest. He was perm:Pled that if they shortened the means of Government, they would compel it to be more vigi lant. A sum equal to the Malt Wax, might vet be re trenched from the estimates, if not from the army at least from the navy. All interests, whether a2rienl tural or commercial, were bound up in the same views of policy. Economy was the advantage of both; and !lathing but econotuy could restore this country to that rank whirls it ha d long held among the na tions is Europe. Its would not remove this tax if it were to be supplied from some other source. 'I hey should abandon all partial interests, and proceed to gether hand in halt 1. Ile concluded with expressing his determination to rote for the repeal of this tax. Mr. wisNicrf and Mr. nitioirr mutn.a:v ex. Colonel WOO!) agreed that the agricultural and commercial interests were bound up together. .11 he prosperity of the one promoted the prosperity of the other.—(llear.)—lle agreed that this tax pressed most severely on time agricultural interest. At the saute time, it sv IS now too far advanced in the season to expect any :ols ;swage this year to the agricultural interests front the enactment of this Bill. Nor would it pit-since any benefit to time commuter beyond a di initiation in the 'price of hereof about a farthing a pot at the utmost. lie regretted to see Gentlemen acting on a byStgiti o f 3:111Ilit each other to get rill of the taxes when pressed on particular interests. Ile could nut help thinking that they could not do timer coun try a Kl'l'aler injury than by breaking down its in come. Ile thought this House hail fallen into a great 'error by repealing the Property Tax ; and if a propo sition were to be "matte to-morrow for reviving that tax, he wont-I vote fur repealing the Malt Tax, pro vided Ise had reason to believe that proposition weals' he agreed to. At present he must vote against the repeal vf this tax, as it was a half measure, calculated to do no goo I. Mr. F. LEWIS observed that the House had got rid of the roperty tax—in his opinion, very properly —as well on account of its great amount. as of its par tial o;awation ; cotepareml with that, even the present tax was li;ltt, as it spread over as large a portion of the 'midis. as possible. Ile thought the reduction of the malt tax 4444 St unwise, because it would be unwise to hays. recourse to a property tax during peace. Time property tax ought to be kept for a time, when war I might become necessary. If the reduction of this tax would relieve agriculotre. that consideration would have consider:Ode weight with him. Butt never, while he hail a !seat in that House, would he vote for one in ter.st only. The repeal of this tax would, after all, afford rel;ei not to the extent of one farthing in the r ot. 'I he politic wonlil be bewildered by such a redac tion as th s Bill proposes), for they would expect re- 1 lief. and vet no relief could he ad - stilled by the Beside , . agriculture laboured under immediate, in gum:llll4m'. pressing distress. T i me operation of this Bill would not be felt for years. The greatest pres sure tiro the landed interest was occammisried by the Stamp I tuties. Relief from the pressure-of stamps would Ise more suitable and effeetall. Colonel Wool) explained. Captain HORDON expressed his opinion that the repeal atlas tax would :itrof I no relief to the agricul ture of Scotland, he 311004 therefore vote against the Bill. Mr. SMYTH (Cambridge) recommended that the resources of the country should be husbanded in the most careful manner. Ile conc eived that great reduc tions might be matle in the army. and Might to he made; with these views i.e should vote for time repeal of this tax. Lord CASTLEREAGH, after calling time attention of the House to the resolution agreed to liv the House in 1419, to the effect that there ought to be an excess of income over the expenditure of the country by live millions, alai with that view fresh taxes should be imposed to the amount of three millions per annum, said that he felt great pain in opposing this Bill. There was no man in time House who was e anxious for time happiness and prosperity of the landed interest than himself; and if he could persuade himself that that itrerest hail its it any thing distinct fr the rest of the community, he should feel the duty he had to perform still more arduous. Ile regretted very much to have heard many topics which hall been touched upon during late debates—he meant the suggestions which were thrown out fur taxing the public funds. No greater breach of the public faith could be com mitted than this. and he was convinced that a British Parliament would ueyer come to adopt the i tttttt oral maxim of defending one interest by betraying another. Ile then proceeded to contend, that the revenue of the country was n:4 at present in a situation to bear the repeal of this tax; that even if it were aisle to allow the removal of any tax which it was most exrdient to dispense with, and that there was nothing in the returns on the t ash. which showed that this tax bore with any particular severity on agriculture, it had not narrowed the market for barley as applied to malt. With respect to the consmner, the Malt-tax did not in crease the price of the article; for since that tax was laid on in 1419, time price of beer was twice lowered. The removal of this tax would sacrifice near a million and a half of revenue, while to the consumer, suppos ing the beer should be proportionally lowered in price, it would produce no more thau a fall of three farthings in time gallon of beer. lie was convinced from the returns, it was demonstrable, that as the tax on malt was high, the consumption of bets , was more abun dant, so that in point of fact, there ass no tax in the removal of which the landed interest was less concern ed than this. Had it bad been otherwise, lie would go a great way to meet their wishes, fur he loved the landed interest.—(llear, and laughter.)—lt would be a great reproach to the loaded interests if they should be .:...._ the cans* of breaking tlownt b be ili fi r,,ti n arr a eri t u t .s c ,it e ,hl s riaed o iti f a,a t ttnial l o y e tedbl c iaitt o .thn n etu4 n iilli t ualt r yorho, and that on an °trash))) when it was gait. , clear shat ~ssex could nut t a h g e ri n c t u e i t i s u u r r i ‘ e t . p r o tfi it ‘ e v i e s t r t e l d p lint i, fur.l s ;atlrtte i tre: the nt of mt bef„re tortes ii t t ps : t ri e f ool ; i :r c r r e:: ,: s e s.e d ... i t • atd i l ii r t r i s i rt i a t i t . ug. t hi ltn : , i , 7 l.. .n r ; : t t e: l o t. f l i . : l : i s l i o r • l ;livx been c e , ' ; l ,l l l t e i : C 11.11: pro e er to repeal. 4":llfr:ol;:tiviliei°lluttt: he utM , st that could he a ag i ta i l t ai l in a ae a ab l iy f f t ( ti. a ife n t d r:xp. t .e l sa l that if tv . r teot resit lax ) — if line milli on e be reduced , he n•„old ra titer take it front the window tar, us fntut son►ent'•er t sv a n l ni ‘ o ‘ l . 11 :m (11 m i :t e r; ( IS 'u ni ld ver m sa e lly tion, the removal of obi malt tax. Ile would protest against the which was iseld out, that the repeal of that ta x • give any relief to the distresses of the c cu s• 4l4 .ituttry. thiug could he snore fallacious that, 'he hol e relief. Under present circumstances, •1 • t• r % : " trillions t 1 a sk l: ut:41111a1.1 halt'ti ie t a o l f : sig taxesnff line, a lr ros s i r, at h r w :111.1 .1 .at rem.), La w .Itty mat who well understood the true interests of the people, could not maintain that that was the in o.'e which should be followed for promoting the in 1 1 pendenee WelEtee of the country. I t devolve on him to maintain the proptiety of the ri lotion into which the House had entered—it was e l n ie o n u i g b l e t r th f a o t r t P . petted since 1:419 to i mince the lions, - t o a lt er t i nt n. solution. Ile (laird C.) was aware of, and felt is wee k is any man the depressed state of the a gricultotral interests; but lion. licntletnett were in the habit of geurrali . ing—and not only of generalising, hut f 0 exagger ating and co!ottring thens too highly. But hr would repeat it, that it was a false and most fallacious notions. that the a griculttis ists could obtain any relief from the prop ism' repeal. It was on the question o f l ow prices, anal not of taxation, that the dei,cession of the agricultural interests rested. AlthoottOt that tax 'lid not gas to Coe realization of a surplus of s,s;int,cint:. ; , l proposed in the resolution of I!‘19, et there tiJS snitch differenre between having a surplns of:l,thaymo. l and WO it g none at all. It was their dotty to maiwaia the progress they hail already • natio. The Bove would allow him to call to their atteation the re.osa why that tax had been originally proposed. It hial hero a matter of reproach to his 31:C10 sty's 31inisters, land to the Chancellor of the Exchequer, particularly ! that they had suffered the finances of the country to relax, anal allowed a quantity of Exchequer Bilis to float. That had been mettle matter of reproach, acrl no defence has made. 31inisters did not wish to call on Parliament mail they saw what redactions could I be made, and what sums would he toecessa,:v. On the present there was a reduction of I,lllo,oin'f. camparrl with last year, and they were examining what further reductions could he n t uole.--(ifear).—Minis•ers had forborne to call on Parliament moil they ronhl st what romlol he dune in the way of r eduction, notwith standing that they were often reproached with relaying the floaters of the country. It was on these groanols they felt justified in the proposition of Isin to raise 3.1100,900/. to meet the ne...essary demands. Ile wonlolsec if the country could stand well at home or abroad. if after two yeas they should be obli:•ed to retrace Outs stei.s and repeal. throui.tli the. Malt 'l'..\. t.:se oper:Cre system, which they had then commenced. Was the Nlember for Essex prepared to tusasnre time in convenience such conduct would Fr .ye to those whose rainse lee eAlVileateil. What hopes would sorb at avowal give the public creditor. Ho would contrul that the Illealgee itself would lint operate any praeli cal relief, but ultimate anal deploraltle distress. Ile would repeat what he hail said before, that the qu: waslion not lietween the House and the Govern:nes% hut between the. House and the country. He would nit think it proper to I e responsib'e fur the Goren sir nt under the hazardous eons'. eratioon that the public cry lit or was not placed beyond danger. And he would be sorry to be a party to the a dministration if Parlias went woad refuse to place beyond despondency or olangosr the claims of the public creditor. lie thimelt l it unbecoming in the Legislative to recede, after dr faring in Isl 9 that they wo.old not relax their Wens until they would have established a surplus fund of .:,,t1(111,11i10/. The Noble Lord concluded by saying', that he felt he should on the present oi-easion hest per form his duty to the country, tt the noantlfle' tnrers and agriculturalists, by op,aosing a ni easere, the effect of which would he, to shake the ttl: credit of the country, a itlsout conferr'no: any benetit on any class. Mr. COKE (of Norfolk) I-11w amidst loud cites " Question," which c.,ntiaued for a enteiderabl . time. We understood the Hots. Member to say, that the ex cess of taxation was the sod an I imatrolia.e cause ~ f all the distresses of the country. Ise condemned together the system pursued by 31i:tisters, and thach 03 t that those lion. 6entleinen who suppoo-t,•ol them cove occasions, had no right to (0111111.1 in o f the gurneys to which their votes had bronglit them. lie saw no chance of changing the system with ehangis: the Administration. Ti n y might WI: of keeping fait}, but he should be glad to know when the llor: kept faith: He had no faith in it. nor in the No! , . Lord's (Castlereagh' s ) govern . -nt. The Noble Lv tl . was at one sid, nd the people at the other. Ife mom co rdially e vo a te for the sec ond lea ding of t h e Ho of his lion. Friend. of the 'lroned"' 14'; coo.niiif:unrs'ibinenA:eicoll.ll‘iee3clutinetilllTetrtis:etNosliortilovssiestii::,nt:tdo‘ tsonttipnprobirt n tte sf 1; 17:11 soil other questions which hero carried pifthe the Noble Lord opposite, he hail no reason W fear t • derision of the question then before the flow. `1 1 1::' , ever it might he, could hare any e!!'eet on the Lord's place in the Administration. In Lord Fife, he (Lord A. Hamilton) thought that ble Lord honoured by the removal. That voted on the same question I.spt yv:tr, and in so acted not only in conformity aitl, the wishes co nstituents, but also rousistently wi It his clearari • l and roniluct. The Noble Lord made other olner.,ved dons quite inaudible from the noise which th through the House. Ile concluded by saYin;': only means of forcing Ministers to a eed"ct i "" the expenditure we* be diminishing their memo: r.? The Karl of FIFE said, the in consequent-0, fur allusion mole to hint, he falon.: it reamed to tr _ inilulgenre of the Hon's whiie he trool. e ill'olllll. Ile was unwilling to net the tine t . 7 Howie. and indeed silence would he inn..l! more ~ .r .;enial to his feelings. lie !lad no hesitation in s•i) • - - imiewilli j o - .iimA .