The Statesman. — London, England, 1823-03-19 00:00:00

THE ST ALTESNA TEE SLAVE TRADE. Mr. Secretary CANNING laid on the table papers which, be stated, contained the additional Articles to the Treaties entered into by hie Majesty with some of the Foreign Powers, and which were alluded to in his Ma jesty's Speech in the opening of the Session, for the more effectually suppressing the Slave Trade. These were two Articles between this country and the Netherlands ; end he would shortly state the substance of them. In the captures which were made by our cruizera of cargoes tt different times, it found the whole oj object of h capture had been was defeated, that in consequence of the cargo being at one time relantled, at another time re shipped, an 4 son times, he was afraid, disposed of in a manner too horrible to be stated, unless upon the ground of actual proof, so as to leave no evidence against the vessel, and, of course, impunity was the consequence. She first Article between this country and the Nether lands, therefore, provided that the prese nce of a single slave on board s hould t be considered as equivalent to a. full cargo, in establishing the illegal act. To this Arti cle he was hippy to state that Spain had also agreed, though the ratifications were not as yet exchanged be tween the two countries. The second Article was intend ed to supply a defect that would still have existed after the first Article hail been agreed to. Cases might occur where there would be wanting positive oral testimony of a slave having been on board, and yet, in the fitting up of the ship, such inrlications might present themselves as would leave no moral doubt that it was intended for the service of the Slave Trade, The second Article accord ingly provided, that the specific fitting up of a vessel for tee purpose of carrying slaves shall be evidence of its being egg tired in that illegal commerce. To this Arti cle the Government of the Netherlands had, ae he alrea dy stated, assented. The Spanish Government had not, as yet, yielded their concurrence ; nor was he encouraged to hope that it would be bestowed at present. He was sorry to be compelled to add, tt•at to neither of these Aticles a% yt, though no pains been s pared ro- cu r re it, did the e Portuguese Government give their to sapnc tion—(ilear). WAR DIITWEEN FRANCE AND SPAIN. Rir J. MACINTOSH said that he could not forbear taking etlysnt.ge of the first mo ment ,f the re-appear ance of his Right Hu n . Friend (Mr. Canning) in the lions-, to make an inquiry upon a subject of the deepest interest, the delay which had been recently allowed to ta tie place in bringing forward this topic before thc Mouse, having been partly occasioned by the unforta-, nate indisposition of his Right Hon Friend; and no man; in the country mitre sincerely lamented that it should have visited him at such a moment; it would not bco o-1 , deep estdercd, he hoped, as a proof of the absence of the e anxiety. Neither that, h.: could assure the noose, *or the long previous forb araoce even to total silence of Nimrelf, and those friends with whom he was in the habit of acting, arose from the want of the strongest sensibility on the subject, but from an anxious solicitude not to embarrass negociations which were canted on, i u nder the weight of a greater burden of moral relson-1 sibility than it ever was the lot of any fornaw Ministers to encontrer—negociations upon the issue of which de- I I p e t ded the peace of Europe, and the averting of that threatened danger to the dominions of Great firi tain. trusted that it would appear that this Govern., meat bad corducted those negociattons on the principle' of national indet.endence—on the principle of the ba . lance of pooer. the best security of that independence — on a religions regard to the faith of treaties—on a deter mination to give safety to these Allies %thou, we were howl to assist —in a word, upon those good old maxims ssf Englielt Government, which made the reign of Eliza heth illustrious, and the absence of which was so detri mental to the national interest and hor oar du ing the in glorious sway of the Stuarts. lie would t,IIM ask his Right lion. 'Friers I, was there any r: assn to hope that trtis Government would prevent, by negaciations, the aggression cf France upon Spain. Stioald his Right lion. Fri .nd answer in the negative, he should then ask if he would have any objection to lay the _papers con ne:•te,l with this nego ciation before the House, and when the ti tall'" for laying those papers on the table, lie hoped that sufficient time would be given for the fall co nsideration of the ir contents; in order that a questioa of so witch importance might not be injured by prejudice or orecipitancy. Air. Secretary CANNING rose and 'puke to the and fol lowing effect :—" I am fax f r om blaming my lion. Learned Friend for having put a question of this nature to me, which; rio doubt; *is id his competency, and that of any Hon. Member in the House to do, toad v, hich bad been forborne on a principle of good policy foe a con. siderable period, and latterly, from a courtesy wlkiilt I 10 bound to acknowledge. I can have no hesitation in an swering the inquiry of my Hon. and Learned friend. As to his preliminary observations with respect to the part which our Government, has acted during these negocia tions, I have only to say, that when the conduct of Go vernment, during as awful and difficult a crisis, as my Hon. Friend has truly observed, as ever any former Mi platers were engaged in, shall come to be decided upon,, 1 shall desire for myself, at least, that that conduct may ;be judged according to no other standard than that which my Hon. Friend has laid down—by those prima7 ples which sanction the sacred independence of nations —by the balance of power in Eyrope—by a reference to the faith of treaties, and all the obligations both posi• tive and constructive, which they impose ; and further, by what, as a British Minister, I must say, ought to con stitute a paramount object in all British Councils—an attention, not only to the interests, but the honour and ' sta , ion of this country.—(Cheers.) I proceed then to 'say, actuated by the same spirit of frankness, which I .trust will be found to have marked the former cominnai cations of the Members of his Majesty's Government on this subject—l say that 1 should most deeply deceive the Mouse and the country, if I did not state, unequivocally, 'that the hopes or averting war between France and Spain, by an amicable adjustment, if not totally extinguished, are, at least, so far diminished, as to leave no longer any reasonable expectation of peace. Under these circuor 'stances I was prepared to state, bad I not been calletfon by the question of my Hon. and Learned Friend, that on the first open day after the recess, unless something should I interpose to vary entirely t he views which we now enter- I lain of the state of affairs in Europe, it is our intention to recommend to his Majesty, to communicate by Ines-age, information respecting all the transactions which took place during the late negociations. In reference to an other branch of my Hon, awl Learned Friend's inquiry, 1 have to add, that in laying these papers before the House, it will be my duty to ask the concurrence of the House, merely as a mater of form, to a statement of the principles and policy of this Government, without going to the extent of calling for any opinion. I cannot con clude my observations upon this subject, without stating, that however we may despond about the practicability of averting an appeal to arms on the part of the Govern ments of other countries amongst each other, we do not see in present circumstances, any thing specific wh heer ich would invoke this count r y in hostilities. ((O c log.) Mr. BUXTON expressed Feat satisfaction at the rati fication of two such important articles as those now on the table, for the suppression of the Slave Trade. THE LATE EARL ET. VINCENT. Lord ALTHORPE said that the question which he had postponed on a former night at the request of his Rt. Honourable Friend, the Chancellor of the Exchequer. he wished now to renew, and trusted that the answer would Im„such as to giro general satisfaction. His inquiry had immediate reference to the late Earl St. Vincent, whose services and venerable character required no eulogy from him to recommend them to the esteem of his cointrymen. He wished then to know if it was intended, on the part of Ministers, to propose that a monument should tis erected to the memory of that illustrious officer. Lord Howe, Lord Rodney, and Lord Collingwood had similar honours be stowed on them, though the memory of Lord Duncan was still without that distinguished tribute. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that he had very singular pleasure in answering the questions of his Noble Friend, in such a manger as he was sure would give general gratification. One of the first thiags that occurred to his mind after the death of that great man, was the consideration whether or not. it would be advisable to call on Parliament to agree to an address to his Majesty for some mark of hohour to be conferred on his memory. — He had no hesitation in expressing his readiness to sub mit such an Address, vent it would only be in conformity with the course which had been adopted In the case of Lord Rodney, Lord ilowe. and Lord Collingwood. It was with shame and regret that he was obliged to giantess that no such motion had yet been made for that Orin guished officer, Lord Duncan, and he was sure it would he only Conferring an honour on the name of Earl St. Vincent, if . it were coupled with the name of that talented officr, in tai th ht e Address to the Throne. that at least tardy justice g be done to the one, and that honour which the country ex pected conferred upon the other. FOPLIEN ENLISTMENT BILL. Sir R. WILSON wished to take that opportunity of asking the Noble Lord (Althorpe) whether it was his in tention to persevere in the notice he had given of the re peal of the Foreign Enlistment Bill; and if so, on what day he meant to bring it forward. Lord ALTIIORPE said, that he had not abandoned his intention to bring It forward. He would move for its re peal on the first open day after the recess. The papers were then laid on the table. Mr. HUME wished to learn, from the Right Honourable Gentleman opposite, if it was his intention to bring for ward any measure relative to the regulation of Coustils. Mr. ItUSKISSON said that, during the short timer e had the honour of ho ldin g his situation, he had gin every attention to the subject, in order to discover some general regulation by which a fixed fund might be esta blished for the payment of Consuls. The Hon. Gentleman was aware that this was a matter of some difficulty, and he assured him that he should lose no time in placing be fore tke House a measure which he hoped would be satis factory. Sir J. MACINTOSH presented a petition from Hugh Campbell, sratine that he had a g ood cause of action in one of the Courts of Weitininster against the Earl of Belfast ; that the evidence of tso witnesses, Members of that House (Dr. Phillilnore an! Mr. Peel) were necessary to substantiate his case, but that, in the case of Cochrane v. Johnstone, an order of the Kum was made, exempt ing Mtmbers of the House of Commons from the legal consequences of not attending; and praying the House that this order should be dispensed with, and the two Members above mentioned b.: allowed to attend.—The petition was laid ou the table. INSOLVENT DEBTORS . ACT. Mr. DENISON presented a petition from the Inhabit ants of Chester:on, cour ry of Surrey, against the Insod vent Debtors' Act. Mr. MONCK presented a similar petition from the neighbourhood of Reading. Mr. Herr:es appeared at the bar with several Accounts from the Treasury Office. Lord ALTHORPE gave notice that he would move for a Repeal of the Foreign Enlistment Bill on Wednesday, the 16th of April. Mr. SY KES moved for a Return of the Amount of Excise Duty paid on Tallow Candles, from 1519 up to ,522.—Agreed to. THZ ROYAL DONATION. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that in submitting a motion to the House respecting that mu nificent gift which his Majesty lately made to the public, be would not detain them long ; because it would only give great prejudice to the grace and liberality of a tran•saction Bich he was sure there was not one in the House_ or in the country who would not consider it bat pith feelings of the steepest interest. If there were any persons wilts thought there was no connexion between the literature nod well-being of a country, to them such Y gift, or the possession of so valuable a library, would be productive of little interest ; but by those who had taken a snore en larged view of the subject, and were prr.uAtied of the grvat and close connexion which existed between the lite rature and morals of a country, and that thee was some thing congenial between the love of literature and ihelove of liberty, such a gift would be viewed nut nithout feel ings of interest and pleasure. 'Theis library was collected by the venerable father of his Majesty during a long life, though at an early period he sus oppressed with cares which precluded him from apply' rg himself to objects of this kind. The public were Slier:fere deeply indebted to Os Se Ble t iesty, wbo, from the moment he ascended the amine, tetbe:melatiqboly period at which heysas depriv *a of-the Means of pursuing any object for himself or the gond of 1084000 e. was actuated by a sincere and. zealous feeling in roaming the happiness of his subjects. If his Ia le 11P,Ifftly, had apulied himself to the laudable p ursuit, it remained to his illustrious successor, with that acknow "Tidied taste and polished understanding which distiti , puished him, and with a munificence rarely met with, when possessed of so valuable. a library, the acquisition of so long a life, to apply himself in seeing bow his people might derive the greatest benefit from it. If his Majesty consulted thn gratification of,hie own taste or pleasure, he would have kept so valuable a collection in his own bawls, and have enriched and adorned his own palace and that of his successors with it ; but his Majesty consulting more the good of his people than hie own gratilicatiOn; felt that he should confer more benefit on them, iLinstead of keeping this library in his own possession, lie placed it at their disposal.—(Hear, hear.) His Majesty therefore proposed that it should be so far placed at the disposal of the public, as to make it necessary for him to suggest the best mode of appropriating it to that purpose. He (Mr. K.) thought therefore that ,- under all the circumstances, there would be nothing better than to consign the custody of so valuable a library to the British Museum. However, there was another desirable object, and which had been suggested by his Majesty himself, that the library should be-kept distinct and tuseparate; indeed, it would be doing an injustice both to the illustrious collector and the illus trious donor, if it were suffered to be mixed with any other.—He thought that not only in a pecuniary view, though that was the least consideration, but even in re-, ference to the interests of literature, it was desirable; at it should he placed u nder the roof of the Museu.— Though it was not the most valuable library existing,' yet he believed it wa a unquestionably the most valuable ever collected by an indiridoal; and if to this were added the collection already in the Museum, increased 'by the splendid donstion of the late Sir Joseph Banks, it would not be inferior to any collection in the world. The MO settm, enriched by both these libraries, would then pos sess a collection of which the country might be proud.— Ile thought it was best to intrust it to the gua rdianship of the. Museum, hut at the same time other suggestions might occur, and some regular ons might be necessary for its proper custody. Seth, however, as would be con sistent with a fair and liberal ailtuission of the public. — He would not enter into the details, beratise they would be better digested by referring them to a Committee, and he should therefore move that the papers be re ferred to a Select Cominitme, to examine them and re port thereon. Sir CHARLES LONG said, that in seconding the mo tion of his Right Hon. Friend, he would trouble the House with a few words, and state that it was his opinion that the collection of his late Majesty's isasthelmost com plete eer made. No expense or pains had been saved in procur v ing every valuable work. A great part of the col lection was made tinder the direction of Dr. Johnson. He laid &mu the plan, which was adhered to till the col lection was completed. Having hail the hononr of a column niratiou with his Majesty . on this subject, he could state that it was his Majesty's wish that the public should have the freecst access ti it, and that every person should have an opportunity of using it, limited only by whatever regulations were necessary for its safety and preserve tion.—(llear, hear.) His Majesty had another Wish, as was stated by his Right Honourable Friend, a natural one, indeed, when it was considered the collection was made by his venerable Father—that it should be kept dis tinct and separate. He could say there was never a more , complete arrangement in any library. The catalogue was so framed, that reference was made to every w ork. This be me ntioned, because it did great credit to 'those individuals who placed it in that state. When united to the library of the Museum, and that of the late Sir seph Banks, small but pe rfect, it would form the finest collection in Europe—such a one as this country ought' to have. lie could also say, that it was the gracious in tention of his Majesty to add to ibis munificrut donation, a splendid collection of medals, which hail also been col keted by his late Majesty. 'His Majesty was the ac knowledged patron of the tire arts, aim fry these splendid donations, he has shown himself no less the patron. o li terature and science, and w as therefore entitled to f the gratitude of the House and country. The motion was then agreed to. ASSESSED TAXES. Mr. MABERLY said, that although the Bill for ap propriating five millions to the Sinking Fond hail pass ed, yet it was admixed by the Chancellor of the Exche quer that it would not p reclude him from beinging for ward his R es olutions. But even if the Chancellor of the Excliever had not acquiesced in that, there was a clause in the Bill which gave the power of altering or repeal ing. it. Assuming . , for the sake of argument, that we had a Sinking Fund appropriated to the redemption of debt of 5 ,0 4)0,0001 . he would suppose a further sum of 5,0(0,000/. obtained by the redem p tion of the Land Tax. This, he was confident, might he accomplished, and then taxes to the amount of 3,200,0001. might be repealed, over and above the taxes now proposed to be taken off. Frotn the reduction of the public burden in the manlier he proposed, be anticipated, as the Right lion. Gentle man admitted the remission of taxation prodozed that effect, an increase in the revenue to the amount of 400,0001. This would give at the end of the first year, a total of 10,400,0001. applicable to the remission of t ixes, or the liquidation of debt. Ile would then, as he bad stated, repeal the Assessed Taxes, amounting to 3,200,0001.; and this done, 7,200,000/. would remain ap plicable to the reduction of the debt. He was convinced that what he proposed would be easily effected, as the land tax might be rendered so saleable, that in two years the whole capital amounting to 41,100,11101. might be redeemed. But calculating that only 5,000,000/. should be redeemed in the first year, he had shown that a balance of 7,200,0001. would remain after an additional remission of taxation to the amount of 3,200,0001. Carry ing the balance of 7,200,0001. to the second year, and cal culating on an extra redemption of land tax to the amount of 2,000,0001. he should derive from that source altogether the sum of 7,000,0001. This wood! give him a surplus revenue, which he expected would enable him to pay off the Four per Cents., and thus an annual saving of 750,0001. would he effected. He proceeded to show what he expected would b e the operation of his plan in the third, fourth, filth, and sixth years At the end of the sixth year he calculated that 62,000,0001. of nominal debt would be redeemed, while during that period and for ever the country would - enjoy an additional relief from taxation to the amount of 3,200,0001. This he con sidered world be a better measure for the support of pub. lie credit, and the interests and honour of the country, than the plan of the Right Hen. Gentleman. Ile Low came to describe the taxes which he proposed to repeal. The lirst was (supposing the Right lion. entlman's', 111'1 to have ples,ql), the nnrepealed Win G dow e Tax, which he took at 1,i:10.),0001 He considered the Window Tax to be in effect a Property 'fax. He believed the duty on windows ainounted to twenty per cent. In one p irish, he knew that the Window Tax and House Tax together amounted to thirty-three per cent. This oper ated as a partial Property Tax. W hat, he should like to know, would the landholder and the freeholder say, if a similar impost were levied from their property. Hew:WA not positively state from any document what was the ge neral per centage pair! on windows, but the Returns be fore the House enabled him to say the inhabited house tax amounted to eleven and a half per cent. This was, he thought, a very large sum, when it was considered that the tax was a partial one, and this he should therefore propose to repeal. The next tax which he desired to take off Was that on male servants,including clerks awl shop- IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. HOUSE OF LORDS.—TUESDAY, MARCH IS. Lord CIA FDEN presented a petition from Whitey, in Oxfordshire, against the Insolvent Debtors' Act. The Earl of NIORLEY presented a petition to the same effect from six hundred merchants and traders residing in the tcwn of Plymouth. The Earl of LIVERPOOL presented an additional article to the Treaty entered into between this country and the Netherlands, relative to the Slave Trade. Also some papers relative to the supply of stationery to the public offices in Ireland. . Mr. Secretary PEEL brought up from the House of Commons the Bill for enabling his Majesty to dispose ut: his private property.—Read a first time. Mr. IiROODEN brought op from the Commons the National Debt Reduction Bill, which, on the motion of the Earl of LI FERPOOL, was read a first, and ordered to he read a second Cite on Thursday next. The Assessed Taxes Reduction Bill was read a third Gm's. and eassed. The Irish Yeoinsnry Bill, and the General Turnpike Art Amendment Bill, were read a second time. The Irish Arms Bill was committed.—Adjourned. HOUSE OF COMMONS.—Tugsoar. Colonel LYGON presented a petition from Stour bridge, in the connty of Worcester, against the Insolvent Debtors' Act.—Laid on the table. Mr. HA LDIM AND presented a petition from Ips wich fur a repeal of the Duty on Coals.—Laid on the table. General (lASCOYNE presented a petition from the traders of Liverpool against the Insolvent Debtors' Act. Laid on the table. The same Honourable Gentleman presented a peti tion from the town of Liverpool, against raising money by State Lotteries. He winst state that he entirely con curred in the necessity of doing away the system of lot teri-s, particularly at a time when the laws ag ainst gamb ling were carried into such rigorous execution. Mr. BENNET and Sir W. DE CRESPIGNY con curred in the sentimenrs of the petitioners. ' The petition was laid en the table, and ordered to be printed. Mr. CAMPBELL presented a petition from the coun ty of Arryde. complaining of agricultural distress. — Laid on the table. • Sir ROBERT WILSON moved for a return of all sums of money paid into the Court of Requests, South wark, in Fees, by Suitors; and the sums to which they were equitably entitled , front August, 1809, to August, I.lo.—Ordered. Mr. BLACKBURN presented a petition frOm Ulver stifle agatost the Insolvent Debtors' Act.--Laid on the tai le. ilSr. CALVERT presented a petition from the parish of St. Saviour, Southwark, against the Duty on Coals. —Laid on the table. Mr. DUG DALE presented kpetition from the town of Birmingham against the lasolissit *Mars' Aet.—Laid on the table. i. • men. This he wished repealed, as he considered it to operate against the sale of thetpoor man's industry, as although it was paid by the masters, seeing it caused them to employ fewer persons than would otherwise I's employed. it operated against the poor. He next pro posed to take off the taxes on four wheeled carriages. two wheeled carriages, taxed carts, and coachmen's licences. The tax on carriages he thonght enor mous, as the total charge on a tour *heeled carriage, horses, sterna% and artnorial beariop iochuled, amounted ,to no less than 361. se. 6.1. The taxes on carriage's and on servants be objected to as parrosl in their operation. The next tax which he would repeal was that on horses and moles. He knew of nothing that would be more calculated to increase the consumption of agiicnitural,p4otlnce, Ind 'thereby give relief to that dis treasell HO, the !Soded. interest, than to allow as unary persona tokeeP horSes, and tokeep any number of horses as chose to do so. The neat resolution !paid be fur a repeal of the Coutposition for Assessed Tates, amounting to 35,0001. Aod he purposed this Repeal, because if the other taxes were repealed, it was only tair tint the agree. went which compounde d f or the payment of them, shook' be done away. That measure he heel determined to press upon the Hoes.. beanie be was 'sure that thoe were calculated to nialittaia public credit as well as any Wan could wl'h to See it ma t otalued. ct, Inja he wou.it concede to the BightHeotleninn tbst, lit was 114 much for the support of public credit is any one could be. He considered that every man who looked into public affairs, with a view to their unsung' meat or control, should stand with his base upon public cre dit. With regard to the liberality with which the Right Hon. Chancellor of the Exchequer was sail to have treated financial subjects. b e must except the littleness ex hibitiol in his coasted with regard to that measure of the Naval and :dillies) , Pensions. If the Right Hon. Gentle man would come forward and expunge that ins asare, he woul.l then have credit for all the liberalit abbe claimed - but while it was kept up, he (Mr. M.) m excused from giving him credit for having takeu a liberal cl v a ew of tl e finances of the country. He was sorry to so notch of the time of the House, but he felt it to be his duty to take the sense of the House upon each indivi dual tax that be had named. He felt this, because some said that one tax would afford rrl cf and some said ano ther ; and he should not think he bad done justice to hime, to the Housthe countr, if he w to give Honourable Members an oppo rt unity ofv ot eg for the repeal of each. He then read the resolutions, consisting of one upon every bead of Assessed Taxes he bad previously enumerated, stating the amount, and de claring that they should henceforward cease and deter mine. The Hon. Member then apologized for having consumed so much of the time of the House, and coo chided by moving the first r e solution. As the question was about to be put, be added, that he had not said a word about the collection of these taxes, which was an inolerable grievance, because he did not wish to add any thing that would perplex or complicate the ques tion. Sir W. DB CRESPIGNI second , d the motion. Mr. HERR' ES rose to oppose it, but delivered him self in so low a tone of voice as to be inaudible in the gallery, except at occasional in'ercals. The Honourable Member was understood to, say, that he should nut go into the details of this subject after the very elaborate discussions that had already taken place with respect to it. The only question now was, whether, in the present circumstances of the country, we should make sac which we could not afford. The Honourable Member (Mr. Moberly) bad set out by aslinitting the necessity of a Sinking Fuftd, bat at the same time desired to show that his own plan would answer every purpose, and i therefore called upon his Right Honourable Friend to dissent from the established system. But in this he was not justified by any means. If it could be shown t h at these taxes, by a direct operation, tended to diminish consumption, then it might be time to see what reduc tions ought to be made in them. But the contrary was the fact, for there was nothing in the state of this coun try which justified a departure from that system by a Melt politic credit was supported. Last yea a r, as com pared with the three preceding years, showed great in crease of consumption. Sir F. B LAKE said,th at no twithstanding _the arguments of the Hon. G ea tleman, he wished the House ha 4 nut in its wisdom passed the National Debt Redaction Bill, He objected to a Sinking Fund , an d the onl y intelligible plan for relieving the country from its difficulties withont some dreadful commotion, was to come forward with one portion of their property to pre serve the other. Mr. NI ABERLY replied, and the House divided upon the lint Resolution. For the Resolution, 48—Against it, 94 —Majoritc, 46. The other six resolutions were then put and negatived without divisions. WELSH JUDICATURE. Mr. JONES rose to move for leave to bring in a Bill upon the subject of the Administration of Justice in Wales. The Hon. Member stated that the Bill was founded upon the Reports of the Committees which had sat upon the subject. In explaining the alterations con templated by . the Bill, the Hon. Member was generally inaudible on tog to his speaking from beneath the gal lery. Ile moved for lease to bring in a Bill to increase and extend the power of Judges in Wales, and to amend the laws relating to the same. Mr. HUME said, he hoped the Hon. Gentleman would introduce a clause to prevent Welsh Judges from holding seats in that House. Mr. JONES said it was not his intention to propose such a clause ; but if any Member thought proper to do so, he should have his supp ort. 'Leave was then given to bring its the Bill. Lord A. HAMILTON gave notice, that to-morrow se'nnight he should move for leave to bring in a Bill to abolish the inferior Commissary Courts in Scotland. INSOLVENT DEBTORS' BILL. Mr. P. 3100/IE, pursuant to notice, rose to move that the present Insolvent Act be repealed. He was not against a Bill founded on fair principles; but the present Act, instead of being an Act to relieve insolvent and honest debtors, was au act to license fraud and dishonesty. With that view lie was anxious to repeal the present Act, and to bring in one more efficient and better calculated to protect the creditor and relieve insolvents. Under the Act as it stood, the dividends received from all debtors did not exceed five farthings in the pound. Ila would not detain the House with any further observations, but conclit.le by moving the rep-al of the present In solvent Act. Lord ALTHOILPE said that he could not agree to the abolition of the present .Act until some other nteasure was submitted to the House. One aruenchnent to the pre sent Act, which be considered necessary, was an exten sion of the time of confinement of the debtors; and an other, that of facilitating the opposition by creditors. — Though he admitted that the present. Act required much alteration, yet he should be obliged to vote against the proposition for its repeal until some other measure was before the House. Mr.C. W. WYNN wasdisposed tok,rree with the senti ments of tbe Noble Levi. But the principle of .enefine meat for life .was,too severe a measure of punishusent,and ooe w Rich. aught be chit• don the most innocent, as wed months most failty. No person coati argue against UP pwrnocwi p a le s o no f tthperl,npsaoredlventtoAscutp, p u ot od t e a r cceorntiiainnesumoder isotirounfve, fur the offence of getting into debt. He was prepared to admit that the present Act was, in many cases, objection able ; but be staa far from agreeing to its total 'and hasty rope 1. He would,tberefore, vote milimt.Ao O m Ooopf . r— . t :.e Hun. Gentleman opposite.. Mr. ABERCROM BY CI of the Hon. Member for Co old law would he highly it as had happened before, th they were crowded, and the passed.for discharging the conduct of Ills different di Haire was . a sum of 10,0001. of the insolvent Court read Arent creditors, not one (end. HS timed tbe H the principle of the Bin. lenient than it gas in Engl Were perfectly reconcile:l ti in Scotland, a cautious die oivensive credit, and he th that disposition found its by no means aeree to the • Mr. HOBHOUSE thou really wished for any alter could not do better than le, Solicitor-General, from wit favourable attention from held from measures getter Hobbouses) side. He site promised measure of that 1 and trusted that, when he to contain toms provision 1 the Insolvent Court. He ha Constituents the bill of of concluding the business o the amount was not less I been charged for drawinj therefore, the ln-oiveot, Lis creditors, was property, to he arrested at get: me his discharge. Sir A. WILSON snld, place in the borough of Sol peal of the Insolvent Bill, that Meeting. however hos agents of the Bill, who wn would recommend to his tion, and leave it in the ha leers. Mr. BRIGHT said he would punish with impriso opinion that the time of i portioned to the quantity a it was contracted. The men to the present Bill, wit der it. He suggested that removing the delta, shout also that insolvents should the rules of the King's Be he shoald like to we insert ever the Court remanded a ly under the control of Mt charged at the pleasure of disapproved of the rt guts appointment of essigtees. provided for the ',tulle& which often were found t. 4 Mr. SYKES said he iv of the late Act, but he tho ed the execution o f it. H came before the Chief Cot hags before the Coolotissio The SOLICITOR GE: the feelings of the House of the Bill.—(Hear, hear, of the Honourable Memb entreated in the different 'vent Act would he resci liable to new arrests, int bands of different person impounded, and every it would follow. Most of Act were necessary to g Hill; so that as a necess ' approved of that priocip lien. He had examine been presented to the found that no one suggi arils of which they al said in favour of the Iris amined the Irish Act pa English Act, and lie foul same. lie did not deny sent Jaw; but he believe He thought that whene dealt fairly, gave up his future property should 1 debts, his person shoal principle upon which lit hear.) —Ile thought th were good ; but he belie inert, and declined bea deuce before the Insolvt conduct of their debtor' they innst take the cons persom to be confined u debts dis..harged under I millions; but this was educated was aware tha Exchange, which had was compelled to put e be should not insert th' ney was due. This cir insertion of many deb nominal amount of tin quenty ten times more I nciency of assets was stance that persons di were generally person without any capital; v Laws the ()blest of th extensive business, any could only assure th' withdraw from the i.lei tension to the subject.- most assiduously, and House the result of his could do so effectually, the present law.—(6h After a few words SOLICITOR GENERAL I Mr. ELLICE said, ral views of the Hon. moat happy to find th bad pledged themselye Mr. HUME hoped, Learned Uentlenian pr sent law, it would incl pence of carrying the also that the operation Crown Debtors. He ' .• the present Act; he v at all. Ile could not benefit of the law silo Idiom remained in c dome of whom died i Crown were now eneb your tar political team Life a poor wretch owl dove Hooke was allow Io,oeo/. Sir J. NEWPORT was generally approv mainly to be atteibun given by traders in Ir The *OL11)1TOR-1 mark of the Hen. Met {iii be bad st , feses4 to vai oleeoly as online. 'kr. NO ItHOINE etoie OAK, for °buil a ''tamer tine 'pr,srot Act.