The Statesman. — London, England, 1819-04-08 00:00:00

nu Address was peed to, ho should not eon• el I. t... Howe as declaring soy opinion on the gene sal ;volley of sanding females to Now South Wales. Mr. BATHURST could not agree in dm motion of flee II able Gentleman, on ancient of the in. convenience whkh would attend detaining so many row/lets in this ceentry, In the present state of the pi i• 4•1141 at home ; Inconveniences sod sills much go ...tor than soy Which would arise from disposing cf 11..1n in the orenrior prorldod by law; and that ten at s sire when the whole coeutry were calling loudly t. lw Ik I 1.11P4 from the bullion of supporting those f+trille convicts, amounting to 190, who were of a vas - sod -11 rrrrr er less likely to be refused by ins '', kW' MOM 81 home. Ile was ready to allow that sore. •1 of the evils complained of had 'misted ; bet *leo had been tattoo to pet an end to them In fetes., anti the crimple of one ship was not sufficient grounds en -Lich to permit tho country from disbar. hystios ni this numlior of poisons entitlewned by liw, hos Ler good nr had, he was not now in argue. 'to he Le. Wired the :nantry. With respect to the Slate town' a who ',,• k were after the arriral of she con •:rts at N•n South W-.••s, it had been, to say the least of it. hi 4 hts ; all were not sent to Portman& ; • tinfoil..., .41hps• who haul any cheraver opereengaged as .er rants by the settlers, and the incorrigilite alone were tent to the factory at Patamatta, where they mete employed for the Public till three o'clock in the afternoon, miter which lime they were at liberty to work for their own advantage. With respect to the facts stated by the lion. Gentleman of females being sent on board a King's ship so be prostituted, the person who gave the information had mentioned no ship. His Hon. Friend (Mr. Wilberforce) hell said, send no more convicts to Botany Bry whilst the Committee is sitting. As well might it be said. pe ttish no one whilst the Committee on Criminal law is sitting. It might Dice in say, that none bet the worst were rent out of the kingdom. With respect to the return of caution, it bad been stated, that a man in four or five years might, if he pleased, make provision for paying his patters home. {clue these tes4nns he opposed the motion. Mr. PARNELL said, that of 150 women es- Piosed in the manufactory, bone bad the nuns of subsistence except by prostitution. Mr. BATHURST observed, that from three d'..ock the women bad the day to themeless, sad also • holiday in the week. Mr. BUKToN stated, that it appeared from the 4vidence that nine out of ten of the females were obliged to support themselves by prottitur Mr. GOULBURN thought the dismission of the ett! j,ett at present could be productive of no advan tag- Sir T. B. MARTIN said, that the prostitutes in Tei. South Wales were not half so bad ss those at hem.e. Should the business be gone into at peewit, it .rnslit probably be protracted to the end of the S•r.ssuo, and then the ship would be enable to toil before the equinox, which had formerly been made a matter of nompinint against the Government. Ile dui j•••tice to she fe?tings of the lion. Gentleman op posite, though he thought they were stretched Is en extranzdinary !itch; in order to satisfy which it would be necessary to mike an Act of Patliameut to alter human nature. Mr. %IA ARY AT .051,1 almost have been led In doubt, frt•no the language of Gentlemen opposite, if there were any Etecotite Government at all. If Ministers were so little qualified to devise proper re. gelation., a motion should be made for their removal from office, or they shoetd be Waned its a state of o'te)ance till the Committee hid made their report. lie certainty th ‘oght, that after what bad taken place In that 11. , a.e, Minister/ might be trusted, as to whether It was proper to send out the ship. Mr. BENNETT in reply observed, that in 1817. o ship had been sent not ender the same regulations as the present, in skids the prostitution of the female convicts had been general. The whole de pended on the character of the indiehloal who bad the charge of the yestel, and there was no proof that the system bed undergone a changr .A witness before the Committee, being asked if (emotes bad any means of procuring money, ex cept by prostitution, answered, be thought they had not ; and being asked, if the women had the mime miens of returning home as its men, answered In the negative. There were numerous cases of fe males having families in this toiletry, to whom they were extremely ansioes to return, end yet had not the means, after the fell period of their sentence had expired. There was no need of any law to alter human nature, but only In abrogate them laws thet tended to degrade it.—(Near, key ! first ship sailed fur New South Wales ha 1787, and the S l ot colony was sent out without !mowing whither they were to go. From th ./ lime down to the pre sent Bs/wands had periabed by diseases of every Iliad. Many bid died on the postage, and massy after. they bed reached the place of their destination. That was folly proved by the statements made by Governor Collins.—The million was t h en negatived writhing a division. BREACH OF PRIVILEGE. Mr. TEN NYSON stated, that he bads question of Privilege to bring before the Howe. Ha bad been desired to present a Petition from several inhabitants of Osferd, complaining of the conduct of the Doke of Marlhornogh. A Petition had byes formerly pre sented in the House on the same subject; though as that Petition did not cell in question the validity of the return of the Sitting Members, it bad not been enter tained by Ibe Howe. The present Petition stated, that the Bake of Marlborough bad elpentled large sums, in order to secure the return of one of the rlidatee. Ile (Mr. Tennyson) bad two other Petitions on tl a muse subject, one of which was &Igo's, by the Mayor of Oxford, calling for the interposition of the House; and nothing was Rarely more proper for the House to interpose in, than the interference of • Peer, in she election of Members to tit in that House. The Petitioner• pledged themselves to prove Ilse allegations in the Petition. In that pled;;e, he did not participate, nor in the consequent resprieti. bility. lie would be much better pleased, should the statements made against the Doke, *hose name was congested with associations deer to every Etta 'Bhutan, turn net to be 111,011114H111. But ifithey were Inc.o the House was bound to assert their privileges, e n which th. liberty of the country mainly depended. Mr. BATHURST said, that the present Petition was cemented with s former trtosittion that bad 'TIE grATESM A S cep before the Hose& Vie yaw gersoni compfala- ed the same Meg. The flows was in this este, called open to easmitait wittiest the sanction of an dteth, evidence that, if given open wells before the gelect Committee, might Male disqualified one or both of the Sitting Members. Time should be given to compare this with the former Petition, earl to see if the (loose could go into the allegations of the Poi : arm, escept in an Election Committee. If the 'charges were true, a Member was sitting la tie Noose who could have no right to be there. Mr. Serj. °MOW observes', that the House bad formerly come to a decision on the subject of the Pe tition. If the Duke of Marlboroogh bad ssodeorrept meant to return a Member to that House, the House would order him to be promoted by the Attorney- General. In the case of Sir J. Parkingtoa, the Ilona had directed the Itishop of Worcester to be proses elated. Ile would move that the denote be adjourned to the 27rb of April. Mr. WYNN stated, that ifs the nee alluded te, the soccessful Candidate had complained of the Dl shop of Worcester, mud the lluuse bad directed 11 p lion. Mr. DENMAN wished the Mntion, for adjourn- I ing the debate, to be witbdra w Is. Th • or the last Petition, should not pretiodssil.e Ilsouse from en quiring if its privileges had been 'Waled. 'the ques tion fur the emssiderar of the Mese was, bow far their privileges had been violated, and the present Petition was not to be couplrd with the last. Mr. GOULDURN thought she mare of a Mem tier should not be inipogned, and that Member be el- I lowed to sit iu the !loose. Such a proceeding tended to Inner the character of the (louse. i The SPEAKER stated, thet the linen had treated 1 the hst as an Election Petition, and had resolved, visit it could only be decided isi an Election Com mittee. The (louse then divided— F.•r adjovining the debate. II I Agolror It. XI i Meierite. (jinni nor re-admission to the Gallery, • desultory cation took place on the pert of Mr. Tenny son, Mr. Bathurst, Mr. W. Wyse, Sir It. Wilms, and Mr. Pontoon. Mr. TENNYSON said, that if the Rogge rejected the pietas' Petition, the Resolution of the noose, declaring the interference of a Peer on the election of Members of that House to be • high breech of vilep, ought to he rescinded. The motion for bring ' ing op the Petition was then negatived without a di vision. The Chimney-sweepers' Trod, Regulation BM wee reed a locoed time, sod committed for the 21st of April. Upon the 'notion of Mr. LUSHINGTON, the Order for taking Mr. finny wood and Mr. Needham into the custody of the Serjeaut•at.Arms was dis charged. Sir 11. PARNELL said be 'tumid, to-morrow, move for a list of the persons holding the dime of Costes Roteloroos. mod of Clerk of the Poem, in Ireland, and %heftier held for tiro or daring pleasure. Upon the motion of Mr. W YNN, the bled-house Regulation Bill was read • first and second time, committed. reported, and the Report ordered to be taken into further cousideratiou on the 26th of April. Mr. WYNN, in the absence of the Member for SOWS, r»oecJ for a Retain of the sea of money paid to Sheriffs or Under Sheriffs in England and Wales. for Writs or Precept• at the lust General Electiou ; also, for an Acc3lot of the Fees and Es pence; paid to Sheriff., Under-Sheriff., Coesety Cierks, Illd e.tber Wirers, at lb, mow Election. At the suggestion of Sir 11. PARNEI.L, Ireland was included, and the motion so erneaded was agreed to. LOTTERIES. Mr. BUXTON moved for as Account of the limber of Sole Lotteries from 1816 to 1818 inclu sive, and oho amount of the reverse arisieg from them; distinguishing each year. Also for the amount of the Tickets, Ilalf and Quarter Tickets, issued for the same period, together with the Nantes sod Salaries of the Commissiooers. lle else moved for en Account of the number of Prosecetioss is Ire lend, ender the Little Go Act, for the last two years. —Ordered. The LORD ADVOCATE brought in a Bill to prevent the Sate of lacings in the Church of Scot. land, open • Benefice becoming vacant; which was reed a first time, and ordered to be read a second time es the 26th of April.. stACF.S IN THE wEST Mr. COULBUUN moved an tremble Address to the Prince Regent fee a copy of all the Laws that bed been passed by die Celestial Logislatery, rela tive to the trimmest sod importation of Slaves into the West Indies since the year 1812; as also for a copy of all the lAws Maths to the Black Population, whether Slaves or Free, that bad passed in coon geeing* of two Addressee of that House is 1818. Th. Felonies on Cassis Bill and the Excise Li cences Bill were read a lbhd time and passed. Mr. LUSIIINGTON presented an Account of the progress made by the Commissioners for the Redac tion of the National Debt. Mr. W. STEWART presented a Petition from W. Sharp', of the calmly of Limerick, eomplaising of the conduct of the Commissioners of Excise. lie then owed for a copy of the inilitorseut against W. Sharpe, under which be bad been tried at Omagh, in the year 1814 ; and also for the warrant of corn. ailment under shirk he had been confined in the jail of Omagh, together With the sebm.goest pro ceedings. After some observations on the part of Mr. Lush• inverse, Mr. ;Martin, and Mr. the moths was 'greed to. %Tito, ic r.LAKE prroonto4l r t•euriun from the In. • bobitsuis of stir Toon of (Arsay, l•rayist for the repel, of the Noel Laws spriest the Catholics. Adjourned. Toesdav afternoon. after Ilsrr•wby got oat of hia corricie at the noose of Lords, his Lordship'• gro om ^o► its. and so , I turning the horns resod, rame ill cuni4i.t midi a pos., which °post the canticle. Theo groom was throws oat on sho paseciseat, sad she hums set off at foil P pwd bat were stopped at Whitehall. The corrir :0 was dashed to pieces, the heists did sot remise snub injury; the grecs tat•ped lip a stiet Or. uisr. To amen:m.ox [mays. .•. To Penmen we am obliged for perfereweet bet the • Poetry is eel set ie the ewe key d reeseelag wells the Prow: It is palatal to ssepead has plblitatitet that wheel 'meld ►e erasifriag to a Subscriber to read I. the S rrrrr wAx.— VicarrAs treeld be a a►e acceptable Ceerespeadeet noodles Periwbrei Jeeraul. The sierevity of the 'salvos way be deehted when he declares that Ms 'Objection ID U. 's severity hf hi, thafinitiilhaveratilleeKarroVilielefllP went of Ike We Is Mice. ertf,lll, w e .1.1" w• weal vet r.ery RILFORYIMIt WOW , hit thee hh'ineht choose a allarp-edgoil laarameat to do ha Jarrieroos work. 11111C1#9 Bask Sock 294 I per few(. KM. 74 9 per rem. C....ba1.:1; 35 per feta. I wool. for art. 74; p►r erns. 9! -DAY Al ON iircumet. 5 per Cest..Nievr 104 left Omit 36 39. Lang Ann. 13 7 14 Keetropier URI. Ip. Unwise •• THE STATESMAN. LONDON: TUVMSDAY. APIIIL 8, 1819. The French Pspers stfordieg but little intelligent♦ worth m4.0140)41 (for is a highly polished end giddy Rifted nation, ender a new-modelled Gosernm•"t, its concerns will ewer be of Importance to Greet Wm till we have iwprnved our own hastitimions), we have the more lime and space to (harem affairs at home. Of these which regain the notice of the Phi losopher, this a nd, above all, the Ittroormr, the Wallop, it radios, ! Ours may hr said In be the grome•t law•astlne nation fin the Nee of the globe. Nay, it h•+ more to do in the way of legislation than 01 the other na►inns of the 'with pet trgetber. If we go on st the rate we hire been miming for some time past, we shall stand in need of some Mut tiplr- ing power, by palls or steam.engine. to carry no ' the work of lawmaking fast xh. Fo► want of some invention of the above nature l,nrd CA'TLt• atACII has been thrown set of his calcolatia the 66 Irish Non-payment Cash Hill." His Lordship proposed to have adjoarad as yesterday, but from waist of the super•additiansl impetus we ►peak of, the Hoes* has ban constrained to meet a few hours this day, to bring op the work of aapereroge• tine. France, before its revoletioo, did out pro. valgate so many laws i■ seven years es oar busy Parliament encts in one single Session, al. though that kingdom was composed of double oor number of inhabitants. The frequent altering or making of laws is a curse to any errantry. The ob• Oct of Legislation is an affair of profit from the enactment to the very penalty of aerating Its lost riges—from the CUANCELLOB, who has 101. fee for every passing of a law, to Jack Ketch who receives about ss many shillings for vacating the grimiest.— All is interest, all Carthagirean. We may well say (with a pleasant Romance Writer), " they manage these things better in France ;" for even before that country nes regenerated, sod that it 1)a• been by the revolution, a Gentleman sojourning in it. or travelling through it, felt flatteringly at his es►e. Ile bad only to forget that the Government was a Monarchy. tinged of despotism, and all was quiet on his mind and safe in his pocket. Ue feared no diurnal nor hebdomadal laws to make him wary of his steps, as if on enchanted ground : whereas herr, let a Fresehman set foot on the English soil, and be soon finds how slippery it is. Ile go►s to the lest bookseller for the copy of the Alien 1W!. and not being able to rompre hood it, he goes to a lawyer to expound it, bet who is himself not able to make the way clear through the mass of enactment, hot certainties, by advising his New client to go without delay, and give in his name at the dlieve-o jla !! 1 The advised, perhaps; does 'bet, or perhaps he sleeps one night at the Goldea Cross, or Whits Bear, looks at St. Paul's chords. and into Westminter abbey, and returns to Paris slth self-complateatcy sad (elicitation that he is well et Ammo epic. The Alien Bill, shut pest to Britain's I repetatiee, will prevent Leta' dots from relenting the compliment to our geieese, in going to visit oar inlet—there being (if the Bank assertions contain any truth) nearly foe twfllfoas of such ►eturns io arrow !! Bet to go beck to English Legislation. Whet melt fo. 'signers thick of visovhe are making laws nice months in e leer, and yet ere as pregnant in crime the other three es if nothing had been done to better the moral condition of society 1 We people new and vast co lonies with calprita and criminals, till those colonies at length become mementos and strong enough to as. smote independence. BOTANY BAY will assuredly, at no very digest time, set up fur itself, or join some other Power ; it will despise its Award old master.coeotry for the knaveries it has generated and punished. Noy, it is sow, in a greet degree, an object of refuge foots less supportable evils ; and, this brings es to what passed in that manufactory of I laws and chains last night. We my manufactory of chains as well as lows, for it is there England's lewd chains are forged, since they hove the stamp of les impressed upon them. It is a kind of broad It murk, which makes it death to efface it ; and therefore we repeat that despair alone remains in the room of every liberty a BRITON is bereft of in that place. What sentiment bet that of despair, Weeded with disgust, can rush upon the oiled of a humane being its witnessing the endeavotrs of the patriotic, the benevolent Mr. BINNETT to better the condition el the wretched female convicts nadir trahoportation. to Astaey Bsy. treated as it was in the Rossi of Consmossa last night t Weald it has. been beilevai that in a ceentry professing Chris tlinity (which doctrine, of costae, inclisiles charity sad brotherly love), that the cogent reasoning spot the necessity of an atteratioa in the system of trays porting women wovlj Lave bet* scoffed at by the The ber;ritalAßLlctar-Ao=er isien7entry.tOvey...Vailhir• molest willbowto , follow. the Ihnoorable Member for Shrewsbury in his rambler to Ratan" Boy. It might slew es if this Member and Beronet ear more Honourable in Parliament than tissue(' in geography; since going over an tweets diger. from rembliog over a meadow or perk; bet perhaps Botany Bay. by some lucallstr, may be thought kr the nclighbouro hood of Cardigan Bsy. All that, h o ••••,, is o f trifling import to the concluding sedum:, of the Member's luminous sod elaborate oration, whore he toys, tether then reform the spoketnof a' uses by de tea, (and Heerlen hums they are heinous atones. end cry aloud for reforrnation,) it would he better to hese at once an Act of Parliament In Refugee hems w o g, ; rot by that means atone (added this British Solon) could their views be reconciled to aecestary practice. A Senator onht to survey mankind in the mess as well as in derail. Our Member would have f-ond that shot Rousts tu said, is tree, that I 4...m05e cot bun. more kr boomer sant troseuriti% It man rhea is mood in himt .If, bet spoiled in society, how much tines it imhort on 10 safe , . t.ter the opera. lion of thote laws sod customs which are sonde for man's government in society. We way mike Acts of Pediment for the benefit of man io such • state. without being childishly accused of attempting to make laws for altering human nalstre. Will the observant B t inform his listening, his instructed hearers, to what pert of the world the Germans and the Fiends, composing eighty millions, mod their transports ?-11,tar many of them ere so eapstriated? --end why we bear so little about the crimes com mitted in those serious kingdoms cod countries? The reason is, that the highest orders set better el• ample, to the lower. There are fewer Maddens prodigals, and right honourable sharpers. god there is mere consideration for national happiness. sad caution spinet national wretchedness. Temptations to vice are not held out with the view of promoting flame. Dr. STOCOL came to Englaud from St. Helena la consequence of a dif•rence of opinion between hint sod Sir licoson Lowe, as to his duty respecting the reports of convessations bad with Heileman.. This Gentleman, we onderstand, was on Tuesday smatoined by blioistets, and the reset, has been, that Ito is immediately to resume leis foamless at St. Us- Tit. intorno' , from this is, that his ;medal t has been folly opproreil of. Ws enderstand that it had been required of him to report every word com municated by 13011ArARTE, even in confider**, sod that whether it could have any Mathes to the pond cal condition of the pri•oaer or not ; and that he had refused to accede to this requisition of Sir !Upson Lows. 'li•e persons chosen by Cardinal Face to joie Dosaraolt at St. linens, have set net from Rome. The following are ettr•ete from t:te Paris Papers 2 PALI,. APRIL 4.—Yeiter.isy. the king see. evasively transacted business with Marshal MACDO. 21A1.12, Duke of Tatinitum, Grand Chancellor of the Legine of Boomer, who is recovered from his indis position ; and Covet Hammes, Minister of lb* lo terior. 4 6 The Petition of the widow of Marshal Balms, to the King, has been complet►ly successfel. His Majesty has Oven orders to the Keeper r f the Sesta. to institute proceedings in Paris. against those se cased of the assassination of the Merited. 111. este to the Petition, Madame haute, stated,that as sees► as her appeal ahoold be favoorably received, she would d to the tribunal charged with the •tT.ir, the names of those whom site accused of being the murderers of her husband. " French Fonds, April 3.—Fire pet Coots. 66f. 95c.—Bank Stock, 1537. 50c." Letters from Lima, of November, mention, that since the port of Callao had been by command shim Viciaosr opened le British tenth; and their Meer, he had issued impose directives that the remaining Spanish fetes le the Pacific, should he employed le pursue and capture all vessels of any nation whatever, which, with arias or ammunition. should atttespt to enter any of the ports on that Continent, which were in a state of insurrection. The immediate object of this Dew order is, it is said, to promote the edema*. omit of lb. commerce of Pero, and to consolidate more and more the isitimate relations calming wills the British nation. The following duties had been imposed on the importation of territorial produce from Ulna surer coin, 111 per cent. royal dos ty. and 51 per cent. municipal duty ; on gold coin, 4} per cent. royal duty, and 21 per cent. municipal duty ; and on produce in general. 3 per cent. The Governor bad given notice, that if these regulations should not be approved of by the Kits; of SIPAilt, as soon as be sboold receive the royal prohibitory order, it would be published for the information of those concerned, to whom would be granted a term of four months to convey themselves out of Pere to any plat• they might think convenient. A great number of the inhabitants, it is said, had left Lim.,•srtl. having ;pro ceeded to the pert of Callao, hail embarked on bo•id I British ships trading with that place, in conse quence of the agreement signed for t'•st purpose.s The BM for restraining Cash Psynients at It e Batik of Ireiaod. similar to that with respect to the Bank of England, was brought up to the Boos. of Lords yesterday hum the Commoo., sod rev! • tit.t time. On t h e mot• of the fail of LivtaeoJa., certain of the Standing Orders were directed to be taken into consideration this Aar. in order that thee may be suspended, sad the Bill pass through ell Ps remaining stages, after which it will receive the Royai Assent by Commission this evening, when tits two HMO adjourn for the tem% mg ■ II 4 I- I