The Statesman. — London, England, 1823-05-06 00:00:00

11.0. 111 1 r IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. HOUSE OF LORDS. — MONDAY. Several private Bills were brosebt frog the House of Coutioons, and read a first time. Mr. Trundle, from the office of Chief Secretary in ire iand. t Might up au account Qt It. Sarni Issued by command of the Lord Lieutenant of Ireland, for the erection of public works. RELATIONS WITH FOREIGN POWERS. Earl GREY gar* notice, that on Wadi:sada,' nett he shook' more for some additional papers eednisiind with the late negotiations that were tarried eggimileig the war boasters France and lipain. • • INSOLVENT DEBTORS. Lord CLIFDEN presented a Petition from de Wain of Belhy, in Yortshire, praying for a repeal or oniakiimiat of the Inao;veit Dabt-rs' Act. Ills Lordship observed. that it was absolutely necessary to make some alteration in the la* of debtor and creditor. A greet part of the evil which sow exiated, arose from the facility with which persons ob tained credit. Theri were many well-dreitsed dandies go ing about town, ;nd rennin( into debt with.tradespeople ; and he believed if the power of was taken away, that no credit would be giro' to such persons, and that a great deal of property which was now lost would be saved. The Petition was laid on the table. Lord CAW DOR presented several Petitions from Owners and Orcuplers of lead in Pembrokeshire, praying for a com toutslion of tithes. SJIAFTESBURYes presented a Petition from P: id yutboutar 1 . p . 4 i ;lG for the •bolitiou of Slavery. H AND MEASURES. _ _ T a Marquee biiAl;tioOkiiiTaidlieheittin his hand a P,iitlon from a most respectable body of individuals, on a subject of very great importance to ths community at large. It ass a Petiti m against a Bill , at present before the House, tor establishing a new regulation in Weights and Measures throughout the whole Kingdom ; and he trusted that when fist subject came to be debated, their Lordships would not come to any hasty decision up so i t; intuit they were in pos session of the fullest information as to its nature and effects. The Petition he had to present, came from that respectable body, the Chamber of Coroirnsl-ce in Olasgow ; and it stated that the present Bill, If passed into a law, would unsettle the exis•iug state of business in this country ; and the peti tioners prayed that the long established customs of thecoun try might not be interfered with, unless some clear and me thodl rat system were settled in their stead. He conceived it would be necessary fur their Lordships to appoint a Com mittee who should examine into this qaystion. His Lordship then presented the Petition. Time LORD CHANCELLOR, on looking at the Petition, said there was an informality in it, which made it defkient b6th in weight and measure, and that therefore it could not be received, The Marquess of LANSDOWN observed,that he must sub mit to the objection of the Noble and Learned Lord. Tnere were only two signatures to the Petition ; but It had the corporateseal affixed to it. The Petition, holy/ever, was drawn out on two sheets, and the signatures were on one of debt. He should, therefore, withdraw it for the present, but still hoped their Lordships would make no progress in the Biil until the subject of it uuderwent a minute examina tion.—. Adjourned. HOUSE OF COMMONS—MotcD*T. Mr. CURWEN presented a petition from the Association of Smithfield graziers, praying that a prohibition might be put to the Itopoctation of toreign tallow.—Laid on the taule. ABOLITION OF SLAVEBT. Mr. PELHAM presented a petition from Chiffnell, pray ing for the abolitiou of slavery.—Ordered to be printed. Mr. LEGGE presented a petition from Bulibury, praying tie abolition of slavery.—Ordered to be printed. Mr. GOOCH presented a petition from Queenibery, pray og for the abolition of slavery.—Ordered to be printed. Mr. HALDIMAND presented a similar petition from the Clergy, Magistrates. &c. of the Borough of Ipswich. Af.er a few words from Mr. GOOCH in support of the petition, it was laid on the table, and ordered to be printed. Sir T. ACKLAND presented several petitions to the same effect from Devonshire, which were laid on the table, and ordered to be printed. r. W. SMITH presented three petitions, one from Col liigton, another from Bury St. Edmund's, and the third f^om Chelmsford, preying for the abolition of slavery.—Or- dered to he printed. tiir JOHN NEWPORT presented a petition from the Ro wan Cathode lehabitasts of thwiLaion of Tuna (Ireland), complaining that, though they possess considerable landed property within the district, they are excluded from any elute in the voting of taxes at the vestries. After a few words from Mr. GOULBURN, Lord A. HAMILTON, and Mr. V. FITZGERALD, the petition Was laid on Pt. table. Mr. V. FITZGERALD presented a petition from Dennis Sampson, Clerk of the Crown for the County of Clare, com p:Mating that his legal Meiotic of remuneration for the duties of his office, were not adequate to his expenses, and pray in: for an increase of salary.—Laid on the table. Mr. V. FITZGERALD presented a petition from the Ma gistracy, Gentry, and other inhabitants of the County of Clare, praying for a repeal of the Leather Tax in Ireland. —Ordered to be printed. Colonel WOOD gave notice, that* on the rid of May, he would propose certain Resolutions relative to the Law of Settlement. ' Sir JOHN BOUGHEY postponed the second reading of the Masters and Apprentices' /Jill to Friday se'nuight. Colonel WOOD presented a petition from the inhabitants of Staines, preying fur a repeal of the duty on coals. — Laid on the table. Mr. HUME presented a petition from Leominster, pray- Jag ftr the abolition of slavWv.—Ordered to be printed. EDINBURGH REFORM PETITION. Mr. ARERCROM it if said he rose to present a petition from 7,00k0 of the inhabitant householders of the city of Ed nburgh, complaining of the state of representation in tnat city. It would be necessury for lilin to call the atten tion of the House to this subject for a moment. The peti tioders. whatever °plutons they might hold upon that cities -tion, expressed no opinion upon the general question of . Reform. They merely entered into a detail of the grievances albeit own situation, an I re.ied upon the wisdom of the House fur such measures as the justice of their case deserv ed. The population of Edinburgh amounted to above 100,000 inhabitants, and though since the Union it enjoyed the privilege of sending one representative - to Parliament, yet the number of electors did not exived 33, nineteen of whom elected their successors, and in that number, there . fore, was vested the right of electing a Member for the city .ofddieburgh. Resides these, there were a certain number of persons called Deacons, who ought be popularly elected, but the curt was the case. The petitioners stated, the proportion of property possessed by the electors and the other inhatituts who were excluded from that privilege, out of 103,000 inhabitants, there were but 93 electors who only occupied property to the atuount of 11,8001. a-year, welt/the rented property of Edinburgh amounted to 3.i0,01.101. a-year. Titus 311individuels, who did not pay more titan UM hundred and fortieth pert of the whole rent of the city ,Edinburgh, bad the exclusive privilege of sending • representative to Parliament. Amongst tne petitioners were. comprised a great portion of the intelligence, morality, in dustry, end public spirit of Ediuburgh, and yet they had no share in the election. Toe, knew just as much about the • de e of electithi of the representative for Edinburgh, as they • did about the day of eleetton-for the Member Air Corte Cam k. The elesnio I took place in a dismal room, sodas usual ..on those etaaaitHia, ended iu a snot dinner. Reformers were -charged with being ibeoreti:•, but never *as there a stronger case of representation in tlreo.y.than that of his lion. Prised, the Member for Eihinnrgh. He knew bat one ease in the .kingdom which bore any analogy to the situatioo ot Edin ' bomb, and therefore toe &else need not be alarmed, lest 'airy wending to the prayer of the petitioners, it would be es tebtishiey a precedent which would apply .to a number of • eases, because it must be a city or town already pounsing -•iss itself the tigisSof election. Neither could he be met by • efting, that the state of representation in Scotland was al °ready too popular, for. in all Scotland there was not one piece in which the people had the opportunity of constitu tionally expressing their opinion. And now that he saw the • Right Hon. Gentleman, the great enemy of Reform take his jaidet(fair. Oaniting), he would ask if he would stilt perse vere in kis opposition. if the state of representation were in ai it is iu Szotitatl. fact, in the latter country, ~ T FIE, r - the-sight of duties was vested either is an ofigsrs4 ot' bergesseeor heriters. Haled issorsimagy Orestkmeu, whim opposing the general quake of Reform, say, show as a specific cue where Reform is neeessary, and you shall have car support. He would pot their sincerity to die test, as he was determined, if possible, this Susion • but if net, tbs next, to move for an extension of the elec tive franchise le Edinburgh. He eoeld not despair or sages's, if those Oen dawn were slicers Is their profession of support where a specific ease was pointed oat. Mr. DUNDAS said, that It would be contrary to the practice of the House to take.any measures in the present ease. Wherever abuse was found to exist, it was punish. ed by disfranchising it; but the petition without oialtir . lg any such charge, called at once upon the House to in fringe upon the Charter of Edieborgb, and break down those rights which bad been secured to it at the Union. Even the opinion of Lord Hardwicke, which had been quoted on a former evening by a Noble Lord opposite in support of Reform, was decidedly against any such an in fringement. Mr. KENNEDY said, be sincerely rejoiced in seeing this petition presented. • It wu quite distinct from the general question of Reform, and would put the sincerity of those gentlemen to the test who professed themselves ready to apply Reform to a specific case shown. It did not surprise him that the Honourable Member for Edin burgh, should seem to have nothing to do with the peti tion before the Hones. In this- be has only shown his consistency, because he feels that he is not the repiesen tative of the inhabitants of Edinburgh, hot of the 33 in dividuals who elect him. Mr. CALCRAFT observed that the state of the repre sentation in Edinburgh demanded the serious attention of the House. Out of 100,000 people which Edinborgli contained, the Right Hoe. Headsman represented only thirty-three, and that number was actitaliy reduced to nineteen, for the remainder were permanent and elected each other. It appeared that the Right Hun. Geode men had now closed his career by getting into a lucra tive sinecure worth, at least, 2,0001. per annum. The speech he had made that evening oo a petition signed by 7,000 persons, was quite in character with a gentleman representing only nineteen individuals, add those of the different class from the general body of the inhabitants. He (Mr. Ualcraft) hoped that the appeal made to the House on this subject would not be disregarded. Was it to be tolerated that 100,000 people, inhabitants of one of the most important cities in treat Britain, should b.: suf fered to continue represented as they now were. He trusted that his Hon. Friend would not fail to bring in a Bill on the subject, and that it would experience the support even of the Right Honourable tientleman, who, it was thought, was kept from the Oovernment of the Indies for the purpose of opposing Parliamentari ite total. Lord BINNING did not mean to reply to the obser vations of the Honourable Gentleman who had just sat down. He only rose to express his surprise that consi dering the long time the petition bad lain for signature, there were not more than 7,000 names affixed to it oat of a population of 150,000 souls. All sorts of expe dierna had been resorted to; even women and children, had been called into request, yet not more than 1,000 names could be procured. For his own part he was nut a friend to partial, moderate, temperate, in short, to Pir lianientary Reform of any kind.—(Hear, hear.) He dr precated this attempt to bring about Parliamentary Re form by piecemeal. Mr. J. P. GRANT supported the prayer of the peti tion, and maintained that the suffrage of Scotland might be extended without any violation of the Act of Union. Sir R. FEROUSSON said that the petition was signed by d,BOO resident inhabitants of Edinburgh. He denied that the name of one womae or child could be found af fixed to ir. The Noble Lord said that Edinburgh con-' taioed 150,000 souls. Such was not the fact, for the po pulation of the city itself has not more than 100,000, and this petition did out include Leith. Mr. HUME stated that the petition had affixed to it the names of within 500 of all the male inhabitants whose houses were rated at 51. a year. Mr. H. DRUMMOND contended that the petition did not speak the sense of the general body of the inhabit ants of Edinburgh. Considering the moans that lied' been resorted to to obtain signatures, if any strong feel ings existed on the subject, nought to have been signed by 40,000 persons. An Honourable MEMBER, whose name we could not learn, spoke briefly in support of the petition, which was then ordered to lie on the table. On the motion that it be printed. Mr. ABERCROMBY vindicated the means taken to procure the signatures, and said that individuals were stationed for the express purpose of preventing any per son from patting his name to the petition whose house was rated at less than W. Why did not those who were connected with all the patrunsge of the Government come forward with another petition, and say that the one now presented did not sprint the sense of the people of Edinburgh? No; they could not venture to do so. Mr. KENNED Y explained. Lord A. HAMILTON said a few words, upon which Mr. GOULBURN rose and requested the Noble Lord to postpone his motion respecting Scotch Burghs, in or der to afford him an opportnaity of bringing on a men- sure of a more urgent nature—the Irish Insurrection Act. The Noble Lord would consult the public interest by acquiescing in the request. Lord A. HAMILTON said that last year, when hehad agreed out of courtesy to the Gentleman opposite, he postponed his motion, he was afterwards disabled from bringing it on during any part of the Seetion. He was sot prepared to subject himself to a similar occurrence again, nor would he agree to the postponement upon any other terms than that all the motions should be post- poned for three weeks, to allow the inquiry betors the House to go on without interruption, leaving him, at the same time, in the situation he now held on the list. The petition was ordered to be printed. COAL DUTIES. Mr. B. COOPER presented a petition from the Severn and Wye Rail and Canal Company against tl►e Coal Du ties, which, after a few words from Mr. Alderman BRIDOES, was ordered to lie on the table. Mr. V. PITZLIBILALD suggested to his Right Hun. Friend (Mr. Ouuthorn) the expediency of postponing the Committee on the Irish Tithe Commutation B►ll, as there would be great advactage in allowing the Commit tee time enough to consider all its details. Mr. UOULAIURN said that unless some progress was made in the Bill it would be impossible it could go up to the other House of Parliament in sufficient time to admit of - its merits being f..irly discussed. It was on this ac• count that l►e wished to make a beginning as aeon as possible with some of the clauses. Colonel CA VEN DI SD presented a petition from Derby relative to toe duties uu East India Sugar.—Laid on the Earle. Mr. Mt.:ESTER presented a petition from the inhabitants ut Shaftesbury, praying for the final abo lition of Slavery in the West ladies.—Land on the table. INQUIRY INTO THE CONDUC OF TIIR SIIERIFF OF DUtsLIN. Col. BARRY now rose to address the Chair, but was interrupted by Sir JOHN NEWPORT, who observed, that as it was now nearly sis,o'cluek, the House ou.(ht tu resume the enquiry into the conduct of the Sheriet of Dublin. The Right Hon. (intim:an then moved the order of th.: day to that effect. Colonel BARRY complaihed of a want of courtesy on the parte( ,the West Hun. Baronet in not allowing him en opportunity to move for a certain paper cJouticted with the invery. iThe Right Hun. Urattleman then sTATestyiAN stated that a letter had been 'lauded to him by the clerk, intimating that one of the witnesses 109 bad beep sum moned in Ireland, was unable to attend for the want of pecuniary means. In this case the ends of justice might be defeated unless something was done to obtain the at temlanceof the party. It was true that the Serjeant at Arms might take him into custody, and thus ensure his attendance, but lie trusted that before that time to-morrow some more easy means would be decided upon by the House, otherwise he should feel it his duty to move that the individual be taken into custody. The House then Went into the Committee, and Sir It. HERON, baring taken the Clair, observed that it would promote the regulation in the proceedings of the Committee, if any lientlem in who wished to question the witness, would a•idress the Chair in the first instance, and remain on his legs till he had asked all the questions I. intended to propose. Mr. BANKES said lust this mode was contrary to Parliamentary usage. The CHAIRMAN desired to know in what respect. Mr. BANKES ssid it was perfecoly contrary io par liamentary usage, for a Member to remain un his legs while a witness was giving his answers. Benjamin Ricky, tie first witness examined, was then ordered to the bar, and by the direction of the CHAIR MAN handed in some documents, which he had brought in with him. .- -. They were read by the Clerk, and comprised returns of the panels of the (hand Jury of Dublin, with the number of Corporatore in them, with the several de tails, from Fea:usey, 1819, to the 24th Feb. 1823. Colonel BARRY, from under the gallery, now put some questions to the witness, not one word of which or the answers, were we able to collect. The first ques tion we could catch, and Oa% imperfectly, was, the fol lowing, in allusion to the trials in Dublin : Were the bills returned by the Grand Jury on the se cond day the same as on the lira?—Not exactly. What difference was there in them?—There was an error in the indictment, which I pointed out. Who altered it P—The Crows Solicitor. Do you con c eive it right in a Crown Solicitor?—(Or der, order.) Have you ever known bills of indictment altered by a Crown Solicitor, while under the cousideration of a Grand Jury ?-1 have. At whose suggestion was the alteration made in the form of the indictment ?—1 think it was made at my own suggestion, having discovered some errors in the course of the evening. What were those errors?—The indictments stated, that the acts charged in it were cominitied in the 4th of the present king, whereas they really took place in the third. Who made the alte:ation ?—The crown Solicitor, at my suggestion. Was the alteration made with leave of the Court?—lt was not; the Crown Solicitor did not think it necessary to make it in open Court. In case an indictment so altered were found by the Grand Jury, and the party convicted on it, could the Court proceed to judgment ?—I think it could. The al teration was a m -re matter of form. _ . . Was it after the indictment came from the Grand Jury that the alteration was made ?—No ; it was wade after the examination of two witnesses, while the business of the Grand Jury was still in progress. By Sir J. SIEWART.—What was the sensation in Dolma on the occasion of the riot and coustnittal of the parties?—Were there not addresses to the Lord Lieute nant; and, among the rest, was not there one by the Mayor and Guild of Merchants of Dublin ? The witness being ordered to withdraw, Mr. 001.3.11URR objected to this sort of examina tion. From the best attention that he could give to the questions put to the witness by his Right Honour able Friend, he could not see how they could be refer able to the conduct of the Sheriff of Dublin. if his Rt. Hon. Friend persist •d in that course, the House ought to be informed in what manner he proposed to connect those questions with the subject immediately before the Douse. After a few words (qoi . e inaudible) from Sir .1. ST E WA KT, The CHAIRMAN said it was impossible, in that stage 'of the proceeding;, to draw any line between the questions proposed and the conduct of the Sheriff.— He could not say what reference the answers required might afterwards have to the msio object; but, for his part, be wished to regulate his conduct by the opinion of the Committee. Mr. W. IVILLIAMS said that every Member had a right to ask whatever question he pleased, but still bay ing reference to the conduct of the Sheriff. Colonel BARRY said be had not asked any question that did not bear on the conduct of the Sheriff ; but he was of opinion that some latitude of examination might be granted, as the Hon. Member for Winchilsea, whom be did not then see in his place, said he wished to take a most extensive range. Mr. UItATTAN said be was anxious for the fullest inquiry ; but he could not see how that object could be attained by going into an inquiry about the Address voted to the Lord Lieutenant by the (land of Mer chants. Mr. W. WYNN said it would be for the general con venience to confine themselves to the conduct of the Sheriff. Sir J. MACINTOSH said they would, by , confining themselves too strictly to the conduct of the Sheriff, be only evading the proposed inquiry. He thought that what was done by former Juries mtght be very conve nient to be known to explain the conduct of the Sheriff in the present instance. Questions, therefore, referring to that might be perfectly right, but any questions as to the impression made on the people of Dublin were too irrelevant and unnecessary. Hon. Members could not prescribe too narrow limits to the inquiry, nor impose restrictions on themselves. The witness being again called in, was asked by Sir J. STEWART whether he recollected the names of any of those who signed • requisition to the Lord Mayor for the purpose of addressing the Lord Lieutenant?—[All we heard of the answer was, that the witness himself 'load such a re quisition.] By Mr. NOLAN.—Is it considered a favour to be pat on the Jury in Dublin!—lt is rather a favour to be left off. Did witness remember any observations made in the Court on the smallness of the panel returned for the trial of so many traverser' ?—Yes, be did recollect the Court hav ing made some observations on the smallness of the number on the panel. Could the witness tell any reason for having only fifty on that panel?—None. Can any names be added to the panel after the Sheriff has returned the panel into Court?-1 have known occasions in which the panel was enlarged. Mr. BROWNLOW asked the witness whether twelve or sixteen names on the panel ofJanuary, ISYS, were not on the panel of the preceding October, and mentioned some of town 2—Tile witness expressed his belief, that the names mentioned were on both panels, hilt he had not such know medge as to enable him to answer as to the rest. Does witness know Mr. Moore, a gentleman whose name was at the panel?—So far as seeing him in the Grand Jury room I know his person, but 1 have no acquaintance or con. no:tion vrith him. Have yon not seen bins about this House, and did you not shake hauls with hint !—On my way to this House, several Irishmen collected about me and shook hands with Inc. though I do not know much about some of thow.—(A laugh.) Do you know that Mr. Moon was brother-in-law to the Provost of College ?—L did not. By Air N. COLTHURST.—Do you know that any of the MreCtor4 of the Bank 9f Ireland were challenged by the I Crown?—l do not. • ' 1 it By Mr. WILLIAMS.--Iroa stated that you never had any Lcquall twice with Mr. Moore, though you might hare shaken hands with him. Might you not, however, seeing him in Loneon, wish him joy of being in England?—(The answer to this was lost in a general laugh.) Were you present when the result of the ex-oleio infor mation was made known io Court by the withdrawing of a Juror T— No. Were you present when ulterior proceedings were threat ened 2—No. Ott the motion of Mr. JOHN WILLIAMS, Mr. Term* O'Reilly was ordered to he called In. One of the officers of the House soon announced that TerenceO'Reilly was not to be found(which excited a laugh.) Mr. Lucius Dillon M`Namara was then ordered to be call ed in; but Mr. Terence O'Reilly appeared (which caused arotner laugh). By Mr. JOHN WILLIAMS.—What is your name, Sir Terence O'Reilly, Sir. What are you by profession I—An attorney; How long are you in that profession I—Aboii six or eight years; since about 1509.—(1 laugh.) Witness ex plained, but we could not hear him. Were you in the Court, or in the neighbourhocof, whari the bill sent up to the Grand Jury was thrown out I-1 was alternately in the Court and in the neighbourhood. Did witness see Mr. Sheriff Thorpe during that time / Frequently. Did you hear any one say that the bills were Ignored by the Grand Jury ?-1 fly whom was that announced, and when I—Ry Mr. She riff Thorpe, in the office of Messrs. Allen and Green, the town clerks. Was witness in that office at that tim►?—l was. Were any others present?—Yes. there were several, and among them was a gentleman named Ward. and— The CHAIRMAN, at the suggestion of Mr. J. Williams, here cautioned the witness not to proceed further with his answer than the question required. Was the Sheriff in that office ? —Yes. he was. Did you hear him make any ob ions to Mr. Wert,? —Yes, he cline into the office, and said, " No bills urn found; I have• managed the thing ; my business is now done here, and I will go and coinutunicate the result." How w•sa the Sheriff &emit when he came. into the office i—He was dressed with his corked hat and sword. He took those olf in the office, and went away. Did you hear him say any thing else?—No. Did you know any body else present there, except Mr. Ward ?—Yes, Mr. 111•Namara, an attorney, was present. By Colonel BARRY.—IIow many persons were in the room ?—1 could not correctly say; it wa• a place of public resort, and people were going in and out. How manly that you kn►w ?—I mentioned four. Were there any of the Clerks of the Office present ? I am not certain. Did Sheriff Thorpe speak in a land tone of voice?— Yes, in a loud and exulting (or insulting) manner. As loud as you speak ? —No, not quite so loud. So loud that any person in the room could hear ?—No, I do not think they could all hear. 1 want to come at this (art—Were there other person• in the room whom you knew?-1 do cot recollect any other person being there that I knew? Do you know Mr. Ward ?—Yes. Do•s he know you ?—Yes. I-lad you any con. - ersation.with Mr. Ward as to the probable finding of the Jury ?—I do not recollect thot 1 had. Did Mr. Ward go out of the room with Sheriff Thorpe P—No. Diet you make any communication to Mr. Ward of whtit Mr. Sheriff Thorpe said ?—I do nut recollect that I did. Or to any other person ?-1 do not recollect hating done so. • _ When did yon first mention this conver•ation of Mr. Sheriff Thorpe, and to whom ?—1 cannot bring to mind. Can you recollect when you mentioned any thing about it?—To the best of my tecolection, not until was applied to as to giving evidence on that fact, which I declined, not being competent to do so. Who applied to you to give evidence on that fact?— Mr. Costello, as attorney. Can you recollect the first person to whom you tree. tioned what Mr. Sheriff Thorpe said?—To young Mr. Plunkett. When ?—Answer not heard. Then from the time you !ward the conversation, until coo saw young Mr. Flunkett, you were silent on the sub ject ?—I don't :.ay I was perfectly silent upon it, list said that I did not remember auy particular occasion when I mentioned it. Or to any particular person ?—To no particular person, until Monday last. Did you mention it to any Member of this House '— Answer not heard. Do you know any Member of this House P—l am known to some of them. _ Can you distinguish them—point them out?—(No, no.) Yon are quite clear that you did not mention the von versation to Mr. Ward, after Mr. Sheriff Thorpe left the room ?—I am. Here the witness was examined as to a conversation with a Mr. Poole, one of the tirsni Jurymen, the particu lars of which we coal not collect. By Mr. WILLIAMS.—I wish the witness to recollect where he was when be was told that the bills were ig nored ?—ln the same office. Did you quit the office from the time of hearing Mr. Sherif f Thorpe's declaration, and your hearing that the bills were ignored?-1 did nut. What interval elapsed between the conversation and the hearing of the bills being ignored?—From three quarters of an hour to an hour. By Mr. BKOWNLOW.—We understood the witness, in reply to some questions, to say that he was not an unwilling witness, but that he had not volunteered to give evidence. When did you leave Dublin?—On Monday last. When did you arrive in town ?—On Friday last. IVitere have you been ?—.lt an hotel. What hotel?-1 don't recollect the name.—(A laugh.) Why don't you recollect the name of the hotel where you go to bed ?—Because I never slept there since I came —(A laugh.) I fvou were told the name would you recollect it. Is it the galopian ?—Yes it is. Have you been talking to any person relative to the evidence you were to give ?—I have. To whom ?—I don't know the person's time. Would you recollect the person's name if you heard it ? —Yes. Was it Mr. Blake?—Yes, that is the gentleman's name. Were you pith him this day ?—I was. What to tion bad you?—About the evidence I was to give this night. Did he ask you any question —No. The witness waa examined by Mr. BROUGHAM, Mr. SCARLETT, Mr. DENMAN, and Mr. ELLIS; bat so additional evidence was elicited. The witness was ordered to retrain in attendance. Mr. Dillon Marnamara was called in. What is your name?—Dillon M acnaniara. By Mr. SCARLETT. —What is your profession aqua Attorney and a Solicitor. Are you acquainted with Mr. Sheriff Thorpe.'—N o, but I have seen him. Were you in the Court when the bills were ignortal?— yes. Did you see on that occasion Mr. Sheriff Thorpe? — ! dice. Where ?—1 saw him in Court at various times in the course of the day. The witness stated in reply to several. quAstionr , that many persons were going in and out of the °dice during the day, who.e names he could not It ull. et, tee 'Cu all a LI dere tar an) Al The Mr. , tAiould laugh ) to se: tl horrid clarets