The Statesman. — London, England, 1818-03-12 00:00:00

for to shelter them. The events that _took place in Ireland ought to be a warning to that House. -In that country, Magistrates committed the greatest nets of cruelty and horror, for which they were afterwattla rewarded. It was 6t that these should IM remembered; and also, that these atrocities :were perpetuated under the mild and beneficent reign of King George 111., under the Viceroy in Ire •, land ; and they should all operate as an awful warn ing.. .. to slits country. All these• were the ceasettellacell of giving improper encouragement to Magistrates. Tim peacedentat 1:01„ bad been referred Int-eltdlie was ready to allitw that the present Bill did not extend so far as the one 111Ikb low passed in that year. Hut the precedent of (001, was not nt oil applicable. At that time there was a correspoodeoce, Zeal or pretended, between the- subjects of the two Governments, dangerous to the trampillity of this country, add basing for its object the subversion ;gibe Slate. Nothing of this kiad 'listed Meow 4 and ha would ask, whether there was any probability 1 with .1 the persons on whose evidence so many bad been imprison sad, might not be safely disclosed. Did any of the witnesses al .oerby cull epee the Conn to afoot them protectiou ? Cu.. *Moly not. Where was the danger. thee., of submitting the mom tbf the Petitioners to the examination of a Jury? and was k possible that*, House meld mantas. such a motorises fahainnil (for.he could call it by so other name) ar the Oatmeal kr Oa Bill, that to allow the imprisoned met opportunity of redress by molar course of law would cadence* the safety of (have no whore evidonee they Mid been conased I—(Hettr, hear 0 —lo plain Foglish, (Motu:mowed to nothing less than a legal sanction the Spy System. It was establishing, by an Act of Podia t. )btu persons were endangered of their lives by giving evi• a g ain s t public disturbers, and that therefore the accused Mot be punished, but no trial granted. Be would merely say, with regard to the use of Spies, that on the most mature delibera tion which be could give the subject, he wasdeeidedly of opinion that no circumstances maid justify the use of Spies. at least. in the way whirls Oliver had been employed—f Hear, hear 0 Spite of the ridicule which bad been cast upon him. for utter ing a similar itentimeet souse time ago. he reiterated it 'confi dently ; because be frit, that though the po-iiiou (night he treated contemptuously, it could not be disproved. by any maxims of sound pulley or good government. He never ima gined hot that id inislers had a right to receive information Irma mete of equivocal character; but to employ them, to set them on as searchers after treason, was unworthy of a free State, and deserving the severest reprehension.—[filear, hear !]—The authority of Chief Justices Holt and Eyre had been . quoted in support or the system which had been pursued; the ir opinions w ere entitled to great weight, undoubtedly, from their great totems and virtue; but neither of them had held, that it was sight to employ S a ks and Informen. Chief Justice Pyre, than w hum, a more constitutional and patriotic Judge had never paced the Bench—oho had made his way to that die . iiity fawn very low circumstances, by his abilities, nod not by submission to the powers that be, had said, that it was not blameable in a Governinent to receive Weirton, lion from soch sources. Hot could that be an authority for the systematic employment of Spin? Out the eon rary it might he fairly adduct d, its sup; ort of the opposite opinion. NIMS, it wa., beyond a doubt, that Spies hat been employed by the present Ministers; and the phrase which was used a night or two ok.. " that they were tilt. d out for their commisatim," nos Ii 'rally trite. Moue!! Him. Members dm the otls r side had tats, is blitli offence at it. Ministers had fitted out Castles in the Ilene and common iseeeplatiote of the terms ; for he appeared in i Court as A 94 ;loess. iii the clothes which had been purch•ard for him by Mr. Stafford, the C;ei k of llow-stree:•olfice • doubtless itiMa the authority of his superiors. His wife was alai sent out of the Ms% , lest she slniald he brouaht lanyard to rebut any pm (Obis evidence. Oliver was sent down from Londimas a Delrgole t and it was pr sed by the Derby trials, that no man would have -titled a hand in the insurrection h a d it not been ri.r hi, rep t ~mafioso' tarns roug force existing in Lond.'n ready to co 'Terme with ihllsl. its the country Masa living testimony, in fort, of a spii it of reit° s existing in the metropolis; and his artful villainy sacceeded in produei , g a conviction whin; prompted Mem to the ei iininal proceedings that followed.— the pi at einem 4 made Its his Hon. Primal ( Mr. Bennett) confirmed this fact beyond dispute, in every unprejudiced mind. True it teas, that the }louse had beets told that designs against the Male ea istrd before Oliver appeared in them. Ministers were thou totting preciiely the same ground of defence, as had been resorted to, in a trail action of the most infamous. description, mud wl.ich had drawn down the execration of every man its the Itisigd it.. Ile alluded to :lie • ase of Vaughan, and his coot pitnitls.— 1 I Icor. bra- I)—lie did not mean this olfensitely, but that the mode of defence nal she same in both cases. Vaughan raid, :hat liiii villain- u ere not roam men of good character end virtuous habits; that they were thieves by trades and he and his companions had met ety told them of an essy burglary, and they fill into it. Such, he rOnCrilletl. was the .ee-e of Lord bidtaimtis ; ut the same time. he must guard himself from being ocdrrstood as s...ting it offeosively. , —(ilear 0— He looked at the illilemullY Bill liv ill) horror : hut that woe muhing,compared with the Ireling a hick arose from contemplating this, as purr Gran op. ilic..iye sy,teni, which was to be inflicted on the court ry, at the a ill of the Gayer sssss est. The !louse was called upon to say, that the Nlogitirters shuulit have impunity for the violation of lea ; that they shall ssize, imprison, and load with irons. whomsoever they plea-ma allow the sufferer haring nay right of I <vireo, or vrl.tf•Ct . on crota the Constitution; mid they were told ey tl.e tensor of this proceeding, that whenever the Habeas Cur io,. Act 1.1.5. Sts,pessard, the Magistrates might see they acre is.• sear,' with increased power, to use at their own will and plea .ii re, 5% iiimiit reference to consequences, for a Hill of Indemnity would follow.— [ Hear !]—This was to be the law of England ; Ira he knew, if soelt a state of things were to be established; if the People were to he oppressed, and their Petititios treated ...oh Widitlereeeet if the Constitittiou was to be sacrificed,—the liberty of Englishmen would exist 110 tutor but is the records of p.:st ages. lie ;.new that if such was to be the history of the pre -rot MI, it would :dm appear that a few persons. oiscomaged es ihry were, had protested ii,tanist this violation of Public lillos, and were desirous of abidia; by that liberty, law, and justice. w hid, had been the pride and purcitase of our ancestors, and matte this reentry the boast of ourselves and the envy of others. —Pleat, bear I I—The reign of his preseio Majesty bud beets di- tingoished by events snore important than thaw of any other Itif,ll by exploits in 1011.4, which had astonished the world, and excelled Ste glories of tins sage or country ; bat if these fre quent attacks upon the Constitution were suffered—if the Spy Is stein aas pertaiweil,and the irresponsibility of the Executi v e I their agents to the Laws of the Lund established, be might torn say in the language of the Poet— " That England, which was wont to conquer others, " Has gain'd a shameful conquest o'er herself." The Learned Gentleman concluded by oh-erviors, that whatever might he the result, be %humid be able to say, t h at he at least had dune his duty.—[Hear, hear!] The SOLICiTOR.GENERAL rase to reply to the speech of Ilia !lost. and Ledford Friend, pbo bad . in fact, argued the question of Indemnity as an ab. sit rocs subject, and had cautiously kept tram the House all the events of last Session which led to the present measure. It had never been 'spied by his Learned Frieuti (the A iturney-Geiseral) that a Hill of Indem nity was a necessary consequence of the . suspension of the Habeas Corpus Act.—[llear, hear !)—llia . llouourable and Learned Friend had said, *that the foundation of the present measure was to furnish ass i.alemnity to Ministers for their illegal acts. The fact was not so—Ministers had eot committed one illegal act. Why then, it might be asked, reqaire a Dill of tudemuity ? Because it was not consistent' with the safety of the State, or of those who had sup lied Government with information to 'oppress the fate dangerous conspiracy, fe bat¢ that information end the authors of it disclosed its .Coetts of Justice, as it necessarily must, if every individual who con , ' , silted himself injured is the late transactions might be left tobring his at tiousgeinst a Minister ors Magistrate. it VW' not that Ministers could not defend them ,elves in every instance, but that an 'nuisance of i lin actioes would sacrifice the confidence reposed its them, and bettey those who had powerfully coma - buted to the increased state of tranquillity and secu rity now etijnyed—he ssid increased, for he was far from thinking that Security was perfectly restored.-.- Ills Honourable Ftiensi himself might, by.untl-bye,l , eve the necessity of concealing the iiiformstion. Diu. affection still existed,• and, therefort 9 • it would be tot * ise to disclose that evidence which might still bee mess, of sopprssing treason note brooded on. 'flier Reports looked to persons still . busy in treasonable , ittsjects. ilut; independently of that consideratiPo, it: Juilice to Slinisiest, and to those who hail pre- I Ti E S "ATESMAN. served the peace of the country, and , ' much greater es ploein%, tlli Noose was co td Pass the Bill. with rOplit . ),:til Meg it Usanoisrable and Learned Frireirl mays the :1 net to pass, because it swearer:Lb:ohs the _ they had exceeded the powers prescribed by law. It usened_indeed in Newspapers, that Nue gistrates had entered and searched housesfor libels ; but surely bis Hon. Friend could not sulipoie that wet meant to protect them ; it *as only de signed as a protection to those who 'verdict houses for treasonable papers, belonging to persons accused of treasonable practices, and against whom. warrants were issued. To detect such papers the Magistrates might have overstepped the limits of the law—but his Honourable Friend would not say that therefore the papers ought not to be seised.—(Here Sir Samuel Romilly intimated that Magistrates were justified by the standing law in seizing treasonable papers.)-- Well, then, he would admit that, and what did it prose ? only that the Bill of Indemnity went to pro tect•men for doing what was agreeable to the Is* of the rand. His Honourable and Learned Friend had dwelt at large on the case of Swendells, who, as de. scribed in the Newspapers, was seized, and hii house searched for libellous productions. But he would say again that the Bill did not defend those who searched for libels. His Honourable Friel& had depicted in glowing colours the sufferings anlj wrongs of that anti besought the Ming' not to pass a measure tending to shelter bis oj. pressors. His answer was, the Bill did not do so. This would be seen (rum the words of the Bill, " treason and treasonable purposes." His Honour able Friend had also descanted on the ambi guity of the word " such," contained in the Act ; but looking at it calmly and deliberately, however comprehensive the enactment might be considered, it would include no such case. The case then cited with so much effect was inapplicable ; it was not in. eluded either in tire recital or the enactments. As he saw his Hon. Friend still desirous to call him back to the subject of Saindall and the papers, he would re peat that his Hon. and Learned Friend had mentioned the case only to mislead the House; it had no application to the Bill. If his treatment had been unjust, he had a remedy open in the Courts of Lew. The part of the Bill intended to guard Magistrates who had acted in dispersing illegal assemblies, toad been construed by his lion. and Learned Friend to apply solely to fhe proceedings at Manchester; and as the conduct of Magistrates there was justified by the existing law, he had argued that that part was nugatory. But did lie not see that it applied to many other places, where Magistrates had done something beyond the law, in the same way ?—and would he not allow that it was their duty to shelter that useful and worthy class of men from the .consequences of what they bad done through the best motives, and , to whom was; in great measure, due the present COT. partitively calm state of the country ? The Honour. able Member had himself supplied a precedent in the Acts following the Riots of 1780. The indem nity at that time given to Magistrates who had lau dably gone beyond their legal powers in suppressing lawless temults, was a complete authority for what was now proposed. The principle was allowed by his lion. Ftiend; the degree of danger requiring iaale tification was only matter, of opinion. The remain ing object of the Bill referred to the protection of witnesses. Ili, lion. Friend had talked of going on from precedent to precedent—that this would be a pre cedent, in future times, for a larger indemnity than had yet been contemplated; but a little after he ad. iiiitted that the present did not go so far as that of 1801. The object of both was not to screen Ministers from the consequences of illegal acts, but to obviate the inconvenience to the country of making public the information that had been given.. Oliver had been repeatedly alluded to in the debves on this subject. Ilis lioneoratile and Learned Friend said he could not possibly distinguish his case from that of Vaughan, and represented all the treason. to have sprung from his instigation. This, however, was negatived by the Report of the first Committee, agreed to by ,the late Mr. Ponsonby, which, stating the existence of a conspiracy in February, showed that, the conspiracy existed before Oliver left London. Did he mean to accuse Ministers of having employed that mail not to spy and pry into the secrets of the disaffected, but to produce the plot?—(//cur, hear! from Sir S. &oaks, and the Opposition.)—Again, with respect to Braudretti and his associates, it had been objected, that Ministers had information beforehand of what was hatching, and did not apprehend before treason was committed, but suffered the actors to pass on to give effect to the representation; whereas the only two persons that could give evidence of the breaking out of the plot there, stated, that such was the s)steni of terror, they bad been deterred from giving any in fornietion ; so that not only the Ministry, but even the Magistrates in the neighbourhood, were in the dark as to the plot which exploded on the 9th of June. But suppose these men had given information, ond no the strength of this Brandreth and his party had been previously arrested, what would be said by the other side of the House? . You have deprived peace able, iudastrinus men of their liberty on the tes• lemony of two obscure fellows, perhaps professed spies ',Their story is absurd—it is impossible to believe it. The Petition of the man put by the other side in the front of the battle, Francis Ntiard, showed, that many of those arrested had the heart to entertain arid head to contrive most mischievous projects. It was fair to infer, tbatif many of those apprehended had been 'uttered to go .at large, more esplotions would have taken ~p1.14:11- The .question should not be considered abstractedly, but in reference to existing ciecumstances.. Priests 4 1 - convenience must yield to public geod.,:btinister could opt be called. on to defend themselves without disclosing information that ought to be concealed.— No illegal acts had been done by Ministers. A dis closure of ail the transactions would folly justify them—and the acts done with a view to crush trea son before the Suspension would fall within the prin ciple of the Bill as much as those done under it.— The principle of the Bill was founded on this. The circumstances of the country were !loch as to justify the entrustiug Ministers with tstraordivary powers.-- those powers. had been used successfully ; and now Ministers called upon the Hoes, not to compel them to give up the persons and disclose the, evidence by which they were enabled to defeat the designs of the ! disaffected; and to protect the Magistrates rut has, It'd a ing,„withliat a N n important end in glee,. little intr. 1"1,40d flit Is*: Ile trosteil that iat jollOc• to . 111 . 111ajesty!s g rnment and the Mi4iotriitt of the .1 e Pay* the Bill. ): e • :RANG' BUItDRIT otkierisatrtiliat 'the Hon. and Learned Gentleman, itt hii representation Suspension, and now to the present R!$J, bad taken it for granted that this representation was perfectly Correct in all its part'. No sue now statement, bed been made by him, 'upon which it was possible to build a new argument, or which could afford-a Mlle view of the subject... Indeed, the Hpn. and ‘ Learned Gentleman appeared to hint to have mistaken the , question before the House, and to have supposed I that the chief point for consideration was, whether i cases of apprehension on charges of libel coned be brought within the scope of 4ke present . ,meginte:- Now be believed that the Howie FS ii(i sue„ Learned Gentleman who had introduced this sulkier-1..00 mentioned it merely as an instauce..of the . danger of incrusting: extraordinary powers to. Matt,lAlrollilos —(llear, hear ! front .Sir Samuct .nooti(l.y ) 7 41 had been said op the other side, [bat the coo Intrti cularly referred to depeeded,entitlit IV NA'. *Me e r authority ; but he .had receited ,persnual commeeica. lion, which satiafi:d him that the ciscemstatiFetof it bad been truly represented. The reasoning .of 14'1(0. twistable and Learned Gent. (the Solicitor-Genecel) welit.to this—that it was necessary iia eittendindem. silty to all who lied acted under the Suspetisioe,test At should be necessary to disclose enlaces of inforin,. lion. It wig the first time, - he believed, that each Z . pretest had been advanced as a reason for rlfesity; justice to persons who bad been . aggrieted i 'lid be was surprised to hear such , a prihciole.ntsiuteinesi in any assembly of fair cud upright men : . The principle meaot nothing leas than this—that so individual might be dragged from his home, punished and feu. fined, without ever knowing who his accusers were, or what the information was which hadjed le. his being thus treated. It reminded him of a &NOM custom which had once existed under . the AristOcrali.. cal and Despotic Government of Venipe c wheat there was a receptacle called " the Lion's Mouth," into . k w l.„ ows. any Informer might cast any charge, and it was the practice of the. Government to act against the accused upon such information. The provisions. of this Bill were quite conformable to the principle of such a system, against which neither courage nor innocence could defend themselves. It was avowed that the information in question was intended to be kept secret for ever ; so that those .whose houses had beets searched were never to learn, whether private malice had beets gratified, or public outrage committed upon them and their property, on pretence of seising arms or papers. They were to be deprived for ever of the opportunity of submitting this enquiry to a Jury of their country. Another point of eqsal in• portance, and forming an objection of equal magni tude to the Bill, was the encouragement which it held out to the practice of embodiiiig a race of Spies in the service of Government, who, in order to per. petuate their own employment, would not fail to pre fer abundance of charges against individuals. He had no doubt whatever, lb t Oliver had excited all the t. disturbances which h lien . A witness could be brought to prose, et I sr of that House, that Oliver, ye the day of the opening of the last Session of Parliament, was in the Park, and that he excited the tumultuous proceedings spirts( the person of the Prince Regent. This did lint furnish any proof that he was• at that time connected with the Go. vernment ; but he was afterwards connected with them, and it was certainly the interist or. Mi nisters at that time to divert . the public atten tion from their conduct. His belief was, that tbe distutbatices were elicited purposely by Ministers, i and that they were directed solely egslust wooer who wished to obtain a Reform in that House. it was absurd to suppose digit the Reformer!' could bevy sanctioned or encouraged any breach of „the peace; it was important to them that the public esseqeillity should be preserved ; but if Gentlemen phould ray that the Reformers had actually disturbed tile peace of the country, then lie would ask, for ;that, per., pose ? Gui bono ? Who was to . hisve the benefit of such conduct? It appeared to . him tinkt ,no per.' son could derive any advantage from it but Abe Mi. nisteis themselves; and whip he considered thai• the present Admioistratien were the 'remnant of the Administration who formerly practised a de lusion on the country, by pretending that great and serious daegers esieted, he entail tome to no other conclusion than that they were the -persons who had, instigated all the acts of riot and treason (if they were treason) which had heron committed .---- With respect to the 13 stein of ttpies and Informers. whirl' bad wt' disgusted the country. why shoold a Bill of , ndemnity be passed to ptevent the -owes of informant,' which Ministers had de ri scd from being made public? It woods he.mach better that , those persons who had softie I should have some legal redress,' and, as toe I i onourahle M e mber for I:ertf ratshire had said' that they 01110111 receive dama g es out sit the Secret ;service laud, rather than hr precluded tram all remedy. Aremostioos had beet, laid against them, under which . they hall soteredmost an jowl., nod, at last, they were 41 i.c barged , without having been brought ID, trial. Ministers, hr contended, had violated the King's Corountion Oath ; they luul i!ettied and refused justice e they hod-broken the laws of the land, and trampled ott the liber ties Of the People. When they naked for those powers which 1 w ere granted to them, they said that they might be safely trusted, because they should WI Ilildr, a heavy responsibility. Is sk as a must e. i raord inory ar g ument, therefofe, to come forward at present and say, that because they had been inverted with great powers, they ought to have a Bill of ladeasaity. To him it appeared that the argument. bould be theolher way ; for, in pro portion as the powers were great, so ou g ht to be the account is 'be tendered of tie manner in which they had been exercised.— The whole of these trail actions seemed tu. Itioi to be of a piece :-tbe abuse of the 'puttees. and the original dellcntion of them, were equally Illegal and no o stitutitotal. Tweet some of the statements had been contraftleted. It bad not been "shown.that many had not been ;slimed in s. limey coutineasent, and others loaded with heavy iron., and even chained to.' g ether. Could one conceive any sort of treatment mare Wittman ?. Was it possible to imagine any thing more dreadful, than that persons in this situation, chained together, should be obliged to hear all the Infirmities of human oat' re ? A tyrant of old had ventured to practise bitch rrstelt ies, hot, in modern times, they had been deemed beyond all Monett endurance. The very con templation of such cruel indignities was enough to dris c the mind to despair. The !louse bad beard, that a man of the name cf Iti ley, who was commit tedto prison on a charge of I reason.% as so dread fully afflicted by this mode of treatment (hot berme the lime came when be was to be tried, he committed an act of suicide.- (Bear !) These cruelties were wicontrary to the old law of Eueland as they were to the mild weep's of the ("hristio.? religios. lieremember- I ed that my Lord Coke hod de.ro i bed the damsta tde mint dawned pro. ceedings of Ile-dodge of Bell :-•• Firs he pouishrth, and then he heareth ;" and set. persons vthohad sr Ir•rell Me possisbenvoi of i m prisonment for months, hod tern al terwurds discharged without trial; and then came Ministers to a-k for a Bill of In detrinity, only for them.els es, lint tar Jullers and all others, under a pretence of !mho; arrested persons oat suspicion of tree sou.-(hear, hear, hear !) -The Iluuse,had heard of the cruel- Wes w bleb had' been practhed it,' the ease of Sn intim, who'll' hoo.e was entered for the purpo-e of ..artst.itlf for mans and teen s ucatle impels; but &either Jaws nor pa r :, were !Am.!. - iji ' [flea?, hear ed that the o 41101 iiit have heel sap, retried by she r ist f a t i filii. the mill inmate in a li . ..ch a !hl like lstrli. round ta-kilst. 14 _ 4 the Hoe* parse r.r imassol e der the 'ware and extent at tlsw.e fro( • th„,,.. In he inter prawn!' between the 'newts ee l s ad k was ridicullna. in suppose. that , Brandr e th. ar h a abet and a gem, could destroy snit an army ai the t bpserameat lisd . Ind overturn the Constitution of the country. 'firma Weft* blow Old of a a hidings n feather. and exclaint—“:ri ir iii , to kill (be King," swine law)era wig I 'gay that 'hp,* a het owAht she moat .alua= of the British Cpiitteuilee,! .. That there wits no pretence fur. the Suspension o fib e j ia , Corpets Act iii the last : Sessio'ip* . Parlinine u t 8 that there . -- efa ' so svatelemsdrferarrewfwg tit peilDWlNbp Mather* • - : lad Moo r , as. Oliaistara had: gesWily , aest *tamely: A .. , I powers with which (hex wee. iimennli this eel ut 1ade,,,,r 1 ,„ i ought nut to be granted. He snasM; Merrface, s h e hi s swaiast it, „. . „ ~. , ..., , , ~ Mr. Lupin and IS r: . IA 10...rrista a th e.sete•ha t i 4 1 ;but the. 164 testes from oho Illitiisteriataiti o 4 ... tiler Gentiliiiiso74 preptetk Ifiduitittbi • s it !give way. Mr: .14**alkt, 'iltb'SlW. littishi.c kit 'AU ',' tut Of wen( of. Ardlini?ilt ittifit.PiAetk.ot die !man who preceded him ; he hpd the mime ceelphi si g lq . voike 4. Ills tip** . , Et .f eet' obi to mike not of the conspiracy when it Was oa r ee--.,- ;. . ► , ." Shires hale retail, nits Ifidailk,4,,iii. : . so ora l ,thedangera trelis' petted thrriu g lesini‘4 „ OEN/ilies. pot cisitsoirefeiv. Daneer ho e ii el - . flar•-• from the demoialtuation of the People-from. did utile . ° 4 Luttdigntirnd pifititil--asfid ' the'pegy n t e .. , . 'l e • compliatting Peery...Roil bi rmiodied . phladeis4 oFcluised ,astiptiiiiihrtiott. inatofeaty . -A, . • :4, 7.r. ceseary coUseriverie*:. , liTsfo#ip4 eittiir . ' •. ' powers, bet when Oille er. eons had acted iouschted o ini they ahead ift'bortie bildieus; linters. * l f it ch' . • acts of.' cforitriie oitaiiiaissild be proa4, l'l4, o ' , some fart s . to skew i Mat the pro dd. had boon envoi s * • . .. ' with ineditristionaridi.toN..:tityiiiinibeent.o.foiliiio. reined Wa s s eel renseli small ~ is *haled es odegitimo i i noerrirt bairn terth-thferelticeddiSerelitse. Prittlfg :rieeti 7 silti' of tie peer r* t)sek hod chi riginiiip4 . e . c* Committeetra+impetationa, indeed, bad been I • l lt!faisi.i l itho be fittest, on tkeus; but be n'o'ted V./idiot', ho say that in equal uninber 4 G.,atiiien, 4titthin siiii., ' f ed by high official sitertinkr- [Hear; heatl]:..-lay :Ik - h ,arrticei to tile toenl4 l. coefd . stet lie game&-i ille chailelogeo any mie .to. show him the AO. This Bon. and LearneriGeittieuesn Who oPerted the deliatt 'said ,tio gas, credit to else dying drchiratioit'of- . X ! criminal at Derby, bevies. he woe reti 4 i ntra maw,,. (Sir S., Rcitnftly here told, he had said ao such thiax.) ...He was glad to beir,it.--(Sie J. Reasirli imiiaad that he had said mottling We it.)-[A lea Al.-. . Well, he would ask the fon, ai•d i.#:l roil; lifeudt to lay his !sand en bra heart and say he belies.d en* material allettation in the Petitions; if tie could sat, he was bound to give his support to the Bill --Thri lino alluded to by the Ifoonwrable 'Baronet. was like the r lion in ,Pyraathe and Thisbe-a very barmiest' lion. 'the question was, whether the goose wins' defend those who had committed or theme *he had prevented treason. • Sir W. BURROUGHS said, that the dray of ifs. gistratea receiving information on oath, wasp/44d out by the several Statutes-first, to commit the at. cused-secondly, to hind over the accusers to pro. iecule-thirdly, to return the information to the prnpor Courts of Jostles. Thy duty of the Sem i ; Lary of State was the game; Much information tad been already disclosed on the crisis, yet no attict or assassination of witnestes sir juries had been howl of-and if there was . tio danger to thorn, to *haat could it be ? He thOustfit the Bill, in most rerp,clc, nugatory, And would. sot* against going into the Committee. . . . ~..: ... Sir F. it: etifaf Viet Me 'rose not as the ad. • ‘,., •.. 1 vocate of either lied, ; the , uppoaition early ebb mach diminksite4--tbe ranks were bruien., T --(A Mull ] -One Member objected to the pliucipte4 thdiiitth the ail had hien t *ire ilk:Nov(0 Ouitkuiiivii of the noose, the Lord* Spiritual. and tempera, and if any thing was wrong in the details, it was curable. in the . CnMsnitteit. ! [ s hat , Corestitetioyst Sedge Sir William illarkstorse bad mild,. that it arils necessary to suspend .tte. Cenititotinh it fins*, SO preserve it for.erer.. lie bad been IN hiltbble Mfg". ber for movieg the Speaker into the Chair, toiuight 6i 'was reedy listrife him oat. --t'lleiirli Mt. W. - 14Mt36 regretted, that on this &melon he should differ front several inifividenls wham he highly. resieCied. lie thought it right to. take this opportunity Nf• t /1 4'res 1111 4 I> il opinion . He ob e llki state most distinctly, that he had voted last SessioW for the glisPeission of .the Babies Corpus, epos general -*islands and reasons, wiich had net keen affected by any . thing which had since occurred in Courts of Justice. These' Court; were cosines' to a particular leestion, add their leansactions'sKeild novhave any induence upon general legislative mea sures. It was true, that last year the patent of the danger was not accurately ascertained ; but there ass no doubt that dallier did wait and the trestaida lions came out on . the trims of Derby showed Alsof that danger wee not imaginary, .nor the reeult;Of mere tccideisr.-t Hear,•hear! from Me ilikieiebtel Ilenshesl'-ll,toatestoili . that be leo moietatriek 'Meted in the conduct of Ministers than hie arartogre im t friends..bed admitted . ; the metiers., witials they rendered the state *Orb not, indifid, Olean bet hi All their extent. it 'was of the now, •elf mivil ser vices, that the resell of • them ilineld be Ile . thstegett4th the very objects whiCh they bad prisitked. „WI. tarp achievetnents were carried en keg* the breed tight of the tun, and they wireapeedill isirdiarlillitglr repaid, its the admiration they excited-.riar tieeleaf they earne4.--.( Hear, hear !)-Not so eiftrrivflieess vices. Their valeta and theirWierit wag'' ot,'WOlott -it . was not rouspiclanus, bersoleAt stuslott - 114 the tranquillity they preserver!, and' the prialpailty they restored:.-rffebr, - !tithe, Weer !)-It was true iliac the 'crittiiity 'ants, 'ft*. b 4. while, i •tfeivittOil of its Constitution, bat that trufftituionriftseit'W restored unimpaired, eacept by .the proiedgera-r [Hear, hear !3- 7 11.e was reedy to admit tlret etesty precedent oi l the ki n d itatisired the Constittitioss „; het to whom was that Injury to• be imputed ?-Nut to those who bad 'stispended the Constitution, MID those whose mackinations bad rendered that settesest neeps.ary.— ll e of Hear, hear 1 from the Mt nisters.3--Ila was tar from *Piing - . that the spirit which broke oat last year' ae "et extinguished. lie was confident that a steady tad StrOtg spirit of die. aflectioa existed among the inanufactovers of din country. It- was not now indeed active-it slept, hut was easily *reeled.- [Mar, hear l] -The hori zon at present seemed fast clearing, but Its was act I )' ! I t N 4 . 2) 1. . • - I. ea : er iti hireet .trialt al 1)4 1 si •• • • . Iwo) which seri were sap, rested by the gplinaby laws, and N milket that mutate iii si ii.cb atfy! hint like treaatia wig had Iftoj shi. I" the House pause for enpuseat. ed. tare and extent at tiso-e froceellhopilhistil . proport 'H between the ewn Mall. ail s li m . Ito. fo suppose. that •Brandr e th. ar with a ' • • could destroy snit natality ap the a lrereateal bac re the Constitution of the country. I dine weretti I a winds) . * a feather. and exclsito—.Api er pl , Hsu King." soo4law)ers nig t Pay tbnt Ito VO A she mtnt tninaltle part of the British Coaititatisse • ii‘ isilintaltl - sobagil :: - - . - was no pretence for the Stospeasioa of tb e il • t in the hist . Sessik qt . Parliament t that th er e wow inserthrenrstragfilit peissierarhe teat hersurrestper is. oiloo sn , .kiid:grassivaad wasionly:angspaa.., is which they wens. in! estyli Air Kill of iiievirg,,, to be greeted. He strlda; akimbo'', give his reit k 1 vivo and Urantt..rcisi at the.vvins titsid g inil etits from . she Illeilater hit sitielie t s4 Deft 0004 Ifidentkrthi int,al. l o FtirOaikt i 'thbflow. liwott*.c katt • . '-' it of, Arglioi?llt it..1 1 4-PPOCh.ot the preceded 00 ;he hpd the .rue cow . - • 1 c v s. ‘o4ll'. Et WO Oii to mike tight. 4 r..cy -wisest ii Wes oVitv-r..;• ... : 4 %Mb hale rated, mules glidaelkscptiri, ; ...„ .1 . the dangers we, hid prisafd thriw a ktitigod , rpet ont 'of . ifitiv. Millie; from siOr reas ,x detnoraltsatien of the Psettle—from AA Luitdigntnnel pilltitil—asnd ' OrVotair n f iv .., . n i t every...thin b 1 ovottiteed. p10p 4 14 . • - ostpiiialniog. Iktrebf4ty • - di, 41,4 Re., ea*teeitetie*:. , cr. b!rsfo v. 4 1 14 #4lr.eoolit . • ' i,g w i l y'', °dean had sepal iouseinsiirisit ' id : tfWbortie hiiWitopc, titdeti* Work Ott - ... Oritreip 04184041 d be Ores;4, Toisik • , - .., . Fro.** w lutist Noe parsed. had Wien iesuaripit . • - • Fsif tionetidlN.llofdrildheed*Varogii* s esireasrlY saaill , :this chewed asorleith os ' bet out - ninth thfieViliCl•deterelhfl. Po. • • or die tiollisiti Otei . hod the/ ti#lriiifitoc`; s, , w0...4n7initi,n4,1,0•41, bed berg Attempr , i . hrtitio (an 114806 . , but be world Vvotol4,ll, in etitiol nesiter Or G r ktleOtin, 4 141 witsliti !ft official sitsaainua—CHeer; hvatl):..-1, eu to the titiolt* t eoti'd ~o of ile go ea.- 7 i ".• ~ lilted any rule ie. show hint the ,list. Thi • 4 Learned -601100. u% Who osierted the diffani :. sae credit to the dying dycliratiors'of-ri ',..,. i Derby t Meese'e he wasa religinui mew ~ • 0 : 1“ftly here Euid, he had said do suchghiax.) 4 glad to ileiv,is.—(Sir 6. 11 " 01 .0 . i" l iaati r lad said aothiag like ir.)—[d land! I—l would ask the non. std Lea reek Aftet4oo , • hand en bra heart and say he firlier.d PP !legation hi the Petitions; if be could tot, :end to give his 1(11)0141 to the Mil —lh ed to by the iforsoluabie 'Baronet. wet like .: I ,Piroolui and Thisbe—a wiry bartnirtili e question was, whether the .reuse world ~! iy L. ,