The Statesman. — London, England, 1823-05-10 00:00:00

• HOUSE 'Off COMMONS.—Patoae. A petition ins laid on the table from Kenniogliall, in the County of Norfolk, for the Abolition of the Sl4ve Trade. Similar petitions were presented from Stone, in Staffordshire; from Mabley, in the County of Salop ;• three petition from different places in the County of Lancaster; from Barnard Castle, and from Leeds, which were laid on the table. Lord STANLEY presented a petition from the ChM -. her eif -Commerce of Manchester, praying that the House would take into consideration the duties on East India Sugar. • LEATHER TAN. Mr. CALCRAFT postponed his Irwin. for the re peal of the Leather Tax , to Monday the 26th of May. ROMAN CATHOLICS. Sit 11. PARNELL preeented a petition from several Roman Catholic Bishops of Ireland, praying for the re peal of that part of the. Penal Laws aainst Remit, Ca 'Mono, which prevents persons from laying opt money for the permanent endowment of any institution for the use of the Members.of that religion. Mr. ROBERTSON heartily concurred in the, p r ayer of the petition . He felt that the members of the n Catholic communion laboured under the severest hard ships, and was maisfied that peace never would be re stored to Ireland until these degrading distinctions were, entirely re coved.—The petition was laid on the table. Sir O. PAitNELL gage : notice that on the 7'th Jane he would wove for leave to bring in a Bill to repeal the said laws. ' • SILK MANUFACTURES. Mr. T. WILSON presented a .petition from the, silk manufactiners of the city of London and Westminster, complaining of the grievances they labour under in con seqnence of the operation of the. Spltalfields Arts. The ,Hon. Member dwelt on the impolitic restrictions of 'these Acts, and trusted that measures would bespeedily taken for their abolition. To show the importance of this manufacture, lie should merely remind the House that 30 years ago the duty paid on the importation of raw silk was 100,0001.; 20 year's afterwards it increased to 300,0001. and now it was no less than 2,500,0001. Mr. RICARDO stated that it was matter of astonish ment that such an Act as that called the Spltalfields Act, 'Should he allowed to he .in force in the nineteenth cen ttory. „Tim Hon. Member dwelt on the impolicy of the Act, and o. its utter inutility even with reference to the objects which it was intended to bring about. Mr. WALLACE said be had already expressed his opinion as to the inipolicy of this Act, and was happy in the expectation that the preselotation of thili petition would lead . to measures for the abolition of these Aets.„ Mn HUSKISSON said that lie also considered' It matter of astonishment that such Acts should be io exist ence in the present day. He could account for the ex istence of this manufacture so being under the operation of the Act, by the circumstance, that it entirely confined itself within the range of the operation of the Act.— However, inditstry 4 and a spirit of.competition, had now applied theniselyes to this manufacture in other , parts of the country, and from the manner in which it was car ried on in these places, he was warranted in saying that, if the Act were cootinueila Spital fi elds would soon he de .seeted. by the mannfacturers in this asticle. Ile Ind .in tended to bring this subject'under the consideration of the House, anJ was only restrained by the %eighty allow tint for the impression to become general anuings the `workmen, that it would be for their advantagl to leave these Acts repealed. There was still actinide body rt ift of those persons whose prejudices. were net • ' ; but it was the duty of the Legislature to . Et Ittl e Interest of the public, without attendingtolliejit cii'dr feelings... He had now to state to the House, that he ' cainumpicated'to that body, promise thit'it was his in tention, on the first open day, to britig the idbjeit tinder the attention of the House. lie hoped on Monday to be 'able to fulfil that promise. , ' L4rd MILTON expressed his satisfaction at the senti ments of the Right lion.' Gentleman opposite.' He was, sorry, howeier, to see that the .petitioners omitted to' , notice the absurdity of laying duties on* the importation' of raw silk, and at the same time giving a bodnty oil the exportation of the manufactured article. Mr. F: BUXTON expressed himself io favour of the removal of the obnoxious clauses of the Bill. Alderman THOMPSON hoped that these alterations would have the effect of increasing the silk trade. As to the duty on the raw material alluded to by the 'Noble LOrd; he hoped the situation of the country would soon enable the Chancellor of the Exchequer to remit it. Mr. C. SMITH and Mr. W; WILLIAMS expressed themselves in favour of the repeal of the obnoxious doses. Mr. ELLICE hoped that the Right Hon. Gent. would proceed in such a manner as to give the individuals concerned in this Bill an opportunity of being begird:— As opposition appeared to be useless from the aninimltY whir* prevailed in the House on the necessity of the al terations, he hoped the workmen would take them into consideration, and listen to the voice of those who are unions only tp promotethe general interest of the pritcle. Mr. BAlUNG'said, though he supported the.pleasures of Mitt. Hoe. Gent, be still hoped that theparties con cerned would b are an opportunity of being heard. *could oat but return thankatu the Rt. Hon. °codeine* for in troducing. a measure which he had no doubt Would be eqaallit beneficial to the workmen and misters: ALI. BRYDGES concurred in the necessity.of. the re peal of these Acts. 1 • . Mr. T. WIL.SON presented a petition from..the Silk 11aunfacturers of London, Westminster, and Midaletex, praying for the repeal of the Spltalfields Acts. Mr. HUSKISSON said that e on the first open day, lie would move for leave to bring in a Bill to repeal these 'Acts. With regard to what had fallen front the Hon. Member for Coventry, the parties would have an eppor trinity of stating their objection*. between the different stages of the Bill, though he did not think, it necessary Ss • toprovoke any useless. discussion upon point on which 'the House were unanimous. .. . . . 'Mr. ELLICE explained. petition was then laid on the table, and ordered . • The tote printed. The second reading of the Sale of Garde Bill was post poned to this day grtnight. • , Mr 2 HUME moved for several papers relative to the • • state of the Colony of Cape Breton, with a view of bring ing the state of the colony under the consideration of the House, as soon as they were laid on the table. , Lord G. CAVENDISH presented a petition from Ashburton, praying far the Abolition of Slavery ; and 'soother from the same place, praying for an eqsalita ton of the Duties on East and West India Sugars.--Both ordered to be printed. r . SCOTCH LINEN MANUFACTURE ACTS. • The Ord4 of the Day for going into a COintuiltee on • the Scotch Linen Manufacture Ails being moved, Mr. HUSKISSON . said that 'the laws new II opera ' lion relative to the unaufacture of linen were at variance • with every sound principle which ought to govern that trade. These laws were passed at a tins! when the House • ' were in the habit of telling mispufacturers how they Ought to carry on their trade. These laws directed the, exact number of number of threa Is which ought' - to be used, as well as the width and breadth. Such law ought wet to be allowed to remain on the Statute Hook. His intention, therefore, was to propose the repeal of the .. Mlle (leo. I:, and several other Acta which directed ,bow individuals were to manage in the manufacture of • • linen in Scotland. He feared that the public maim, , . Which io Ireland bad been 'intended is a guarantee for the goodness of the cloth, galar from inewerieg that • purpose, was used as a meatill of frith! . ; and; lit-would therefore leave the option of dying irto these Concerned THE STA rESMAN to the trade in Smithsa. The IL GirttleMan mew eluded bf arriving that the Chairman bi directed to move the House for leave to bring to a 0111 to repeal the Uwe regtdating tfii idanufactureof iii 4 Scotlaird. • its Ft.PERGUSSON krad.Mr. MABERLY concurred the 'Corsi* of eepeallow of dieser laws, and expressed their thanks to the Right Wu. Gentlerian for istroduc ing a Bill to that effect. ' Sir H. PARNELL said that the repeal of thew laws in Scotland while they continued to operate -inireland, mast be injurious_ to the latter country; he therefore hoped that the Right Hon. Gent. would extend a similar measure to Ireland. Mr. FIUME said that though he agreed that the same restrictions in Ireland would be equally injurious, yet he thought the Right Hon. Gentleman was right in not mixing up the boon to Scotland pith a similar one to Ireland. At a future period it might be expedient that Ireland should have the benefit of a similar measure. Mr. RICARDO expressed his thanks to the Riglit Honourable Gentleman for the introduction of a•meadood which must prove so beneficial to the linen tradedf Scotland, After a few words from Mr. HUSKISSON and Mr. MABERLY, the Horne resumed, and leave wes given to bring in the Bill. Mr. BROUGHAM gave notice, for the Hon. Member for Essex, that on the 10th of June, he would submit a measure to the House relative to the selection of Juries in various counties of England, with the view of meet ing the inconvenience which now existed in several coun ties from a want of Jurors. His object was to allow a grater number to be summoned. ENGLISH CONSULS. Mr. HUME said he wished to learn if Government had yet determined upon any measure relative to our Consels abroad. With regard to our Consul at the Brazils, he wished to be particularly informed, as,• from- the late changes, he must now be placed in an awkWart: situation. Mr. - CANNING said that a Bill on the subject• was , in ' possession of the Board of Trade, and was receiVing , ital, most anxious attention. As to the other and more part;:. ! miler question of the Hon. Member relative to the Eng-i fish Consul at the Brazils, he begged him to consider the( delicate state of the relations between England and t*o. parts of a monarchy practically divided. At the tituthel Consul was appointed, a treaty was made with tbe Brazils,. u part of a whole monarchy, from which it was now se-1 paraded. Under these circums.ances, the Hon: Member must see it was a subject of too much delicacy for a spe cific answer. RUSSIAN ARMY. Mr..BROUI3HAM said he wished to learn from the al/At Hon Gent. opposite if there was any' foun'dation for the rumours that a large Russian army was asset*: bled in the neighbourhood of Warsaw ? Mr. CANNING replied. there was an army assem bled ; but whether it was a large way or nit hasfiti;not know. AUSTRIAN'ARMY. Mr. BROUGHAM said he would be glad Utile .Rigbt Hen Gent. could inform him if, what bebh stipulated.; the Austrian arblies,liad yet evacuated the Neapolitan and Pledmodtese territories; and if so, whether they-dill not yet linger on the banks of the Po Mr.CANNING said that be believed all the territo-• rise stipulated bad been evacuated ; but whether they had yet quitted the Milanese territory be did itot know. Mt. BERNAL said that several persons complained that a quantity of their Rum was seized and c,onfiseated, beraise some saccharine matter , was found in it, which had been mixed with it to suit the tone of the market, and not for the purpose of fraud. Mr. BERRIES said that be %Val not aware of the cir cumstance, as no application for redress had been made i to the Treasury. The Union Duties' was read a third time, and }used. INTO THE OF CONDUCT . OP tiTILESHERIF F DUBLIN On the motion of Sir J. NEWPORT, the House re solved itself into a CoMmitter, to prosecute the Inquiry into the conduct of the Sheriff of Dublin. Sir R. Hatton in the Chair. John Jackson, being called in, said he was a jeweller, residing in Dublin. By Col. BARRY.—Were you at a party in company with John M'Connel?—l was there during the whole time, daring which John *Collett was there. Was Mr. Sheriff 'Mope there?—He was. Did you hear him say any thing about an Orange papel,being in his pocket ? or used words to that effect?-1 aid not. - Could such words be used without you hearing?— They could not. Are you confident, if such words were used by Mr. She• riff Thorpe, they would have caught your attention ?—1 am quite sure of it.' Can you say, with confidence, that no such expressions were used While you were there can. . Did Mr. Thorpe say'any thing about trpanel, or a Jury, While you were in the room ? — Not a word. Did yon sit near him ?=There was only one between us the whole time. By Mr. JONES.—At what hour did the party assem ble?—We assembled about eight o'clock, and departed at eleven. Did you keep . the same place all the time?-1 was near the Sheriff during the whole of the time. Did tou play ?—We did. At what game?—At cards, Was it a round game ?—We played' at five and ten. Could you hear every thing that the Sheriff said to. hi‘Connel?—l could, unless be whispered him. Then he could say nothing without your hearing?— He could not. How many persons were of the party?—Nine. Were there any ladies ?—Tbere were. Should you have beard any conversation between the Sheriff and the ladles V—The iladies formed 'a party among themselves, apart from us, and no conversation passed be tween us. Did you not intermix during the three hours I—We. did not exactly intermix, the ladies were at one part of the room and did not play at cards. How many ladies were there?—Three.. How many gentlemen 2—Six. During the intervals of play, did not the ladles mix with you ?—They did not. Did they not intermix with yen during the three hours?— In the latter part of the night they did, but no convene lion passed between them and Sheriff Thorpe without my hearing. By colonel BARRY.—If so remarkable an expression as thit of hiving an Grange panel in his pocket, dropped from Mr. Thorpe, yon could not but hear JO—Certainly, I should have heard it. • By Mr. R. SMITH.—Did you hear Mr. Thorpe say any thing about the Lord-L'eutenant t—i did not. • Do you remember him, or env of the party. hot? out the ilk of clubs, and mike ute oftiny remarkable expression? —.I remember Mr. Graham doing so. What did he do?—He held the ace of clubs in his band ISd made a rellection.—(l laugh.) Well, what was that?-He used some words to the effect of theSord Mayor. Any more; come tell IN 1-1 don't remember. • Did any of the ladles multi sny observation /—No. Did he say no more than 4—rt the 1;ord Mayor 1-1 beard no more. , When Mr. Sheriff Thorpe was leaving, did you go to the chief With. did not. zoo. beet him say any:thleg of the Marquess of Wel. leggy/AIM eveblng I—l did not. • Ili Mr. Sheriff Thorpe an Orabie-men 1-1 don't - know. inersawn feeling et to:palitics 1-1 matotain the PrdteSiantelettidanef. I ` By ?Tit% BROUGIIAM.—Were yqarimthe.roons when Mr. Thorpe first enterehljt?-1 was dare before him and re mained after him: Was ntersamnch ton aaaaa tionl—Yea, there was .a good deal. How long were you chatting before you began to play at eardat—About flfteee or twenty minutes. What, was it for the purpose if card-playing you met?— No, f weat . there to Skit en infirm old friend. When did you begin to•playt—We met about eight, and fell to play at cards An about twenty minutes. I Ho* were you placed I—the ladies set apart from the gentlemen, who were seated round a table In the centre of the room. Vol were in a knot?—Not exactly tied.—(Laughter.) • Do you think Sir, you have answered my question by that I—Do you know in whithoese you so conduct yourself? --We were sitting together lathe centre of - the room cog versi og occasionally. During the twenty nannies before you began to play Bards, how were you sested?—l sat one only from Mr. She riff Thorpe; Mr. Graham was betvreeti us. Can you remember your relative pitsition so well as to 'say, that no one but Mr. Graham sat between you and. Mr. Thoroe4—Tes, I tan. What makes you remember so well your relative posi tion/--A question, which I asked Graham about the bottle. What connection had that with the place you six occupied in the room '7-4 don't welt hoot, .bat it had the effect of fixing our position in my mind. Explain how that you could fix your relativd position in. your memory?—it wee on accusal of some gross expres sions M'Connel made use of, relative to the throwing of the bottle and the riot. Did yostake a note thee, or did you make a esensoran-. dent after you went home of the places you ail sat in, and of all the conversation you had I—l dict.aot. • . ' Can you take upon yourself to say, that you attended to 'neer thing that Sheriff said. ?—1 eon. • __7kl t not some other person - be addressing you while Mr. orpe was in eon lion with others near him —Yea : but nothing could be said that 1 could not hear. . By Mr. IL SMITH...4Iov long was it after that evening that you beard M'Connel said the Sheriff made use of sack expressions ?—A few/ days; about a week or so. . By Mr. JONES.—Were you in the society of six perpoes since that of December, likin 7—l wont undertake to say I was. Will you undertake to say„ that at any parties since, or' during your life before, you can exactly remember the relit-. tire position of the persons presets 7—No answer. To a question by Mr..PLUNKETT.—It was quite impos 'lbis any person in company could have said any thing. Without my hearing it. :To a question by Si G. HILL.—If such expreuloashed bees used, they would have excited my attention. . • By Mr. KEITH DOUGLAS.—Whet was the question; you asked 'anthem ?—I asked was. there a bottle thrown.. What was ha answer?-1 think his answer was, there, Was not. Witness could not account for his want of recollection eit. that point, and his distinct remembrance of all that Sherif . Thorpe said. By Mr. BROUGHAM.—Are you sure that Sheriff Thorpe, sus at Slhthorpe's before you I—Yes. Was M'Connei there before you 7—lt is not of sullcient. zonsequence for me to recollect. , Let me tell you for your government, thatevery questicie . As of cosseettseace, , and it Is further of high consequence to yourself toaeswer every question with truth.—The conver satiate held two days after was the reason for his recollect ing the portions of the different parties on that night. M'Connel did not use any gross expression. ll'Connel Went away before• Thorpe left the party. Sheriff Thorpe . went away with his wi e. By Mr. FOWELL BUXTON.—I wish to know which anwiret the witness will adheie to, whether M•Coneel did' ask the question or not 7—That he did not. ' Why, at the commencement of the examination, you Said: you did not recollect. By Mr:•SYKES —lf yon do not recollect the question of M'Connel, why do you call it e gross one?—lf I might an swer that in a general way, I would wish to forget all the expressions. —(A laugh.) What made you term it a gross expression?—All ex-; preaeinns are gross that are not grammatical.—(Loud laughiiii,.) Is the credit of your testimony in general to be measured. by the credit due to the last answer 7—Oh no: by no means. William Graham was called in; be stated himself to be a printer. Examined by Colonel BARRY.—IIe was in company at Sibthorpe's shortly after the riots on the 17th of . December. Thorpe came In before him. M'Connel was in before him. Did net recollect that there was any conversation at Sheriff Thorpe's relative to the panel. Sheriff Thorpe left the com pany before him. Mr. BROUGHAM.--You had an ex-officio information Sled against you t-1 had. Were you tried on that I—l was. Was a bill Sled against you, or ignored?—lgnored, I believe. Had you any reason to doubt itl—None. When did you arrive in town I—On Friday last. Have you been with the other witnesses since?--4 have. Have you seen the witnesses brought against the Sheriff? —I have. Have you spoken evilest those witnesses !—I dare say I have. Have you spoken very abusively against them 7—l dare say I might. Do you know one Serjeant Harris 7—l do. Have you not said to him you ought to be ducked I—l might. Had you not a sword-cane in your bands ?—I might. Were you not brandishing and flourishing it in the witness's room?—I might. Did you not say yoU would do fur some o f them before you left?-1 might. Sir .ROBERT HERON, the Chairman, said—Wit ness, you do not appear to have a proper opinion either of the character of the place you stand in, or of the evi dence yen are giving. The witness is acquainted with Sheriff Thorp L e. The ladies and the gentlemen sat together at Mr. Sibthorpe's that night. The re was no conversation about who threw the bottle. No one asked hint whether he threw the bottle. Mr. Jackson did not use any, gross expres sion. Witness went away with Jackson and M'Connel. Thorpe went away before. By Mr . SMIT H.—What did you say when the knave of clubs was played ?—I said there goei the Lord Mayor. Any more?—And be damned. Was any remark made by any person, of by the ladies? —There might. Yon frequently are in the habit of d—g the Lord Mayor ?—I am. Are pia in the habit of d—g the Lord Lieute nant ?—No. Did any one d—n the Lord Lieutenant ?-I‘lo. Did you wish him to be sent to heaven?—No. By Sir J AMES MACKINTOSH.—Are you a sworn Or.mgemao ?—1 ans. The witness was ordered to withdraw, and the Ser. joint instructed to keep hint apart front the other wit nesses. Col. BARRY begged leave to ask the Right Hon. the Attorney General for Ireland, if be bad any objection so answer a few ittestions in his place? .Mr. PLUNKL rl' said be. ad not. Col. BARRY placed a letter in Mr. Plunkett's band. —Was that letter written by the Right Hon. Oentle man's directions?-4t was. What was the reason of the Right Hon. Gentleman's writing that letter?—Because I was apprehensive, from what I heard, that an at cult would be us sde to impanel an improper Jury. May I ask what would the nature of that Juiy be wbich'the Right Hon. Gentleman would consider a pro per Jury ?—(Answer not heard.) May I ask the Right lion. Gentleman if a man being an Orangeman would be a sufficient objection with him to be admitted on- the Jay ?—Certainly; it would be perhaps a legal - objection : to impanel a whole , Jury of 'Orangemen; would be a gross violation of the law. Mr. BROUGHAM objected to an examination of the \ Right Hon. tientleman, in a rase where his own bonoir and character were so deeply concerned. Col. BARRY said he had taken care to ask the Rt. lion. Genthman if be would have any objection to an. ewer a few Mnestions before he bad put any. Mr. WEIIiERELL thought the House should know to what extent the examination was to be carried, before any further considerations were permitted. 3dr. WYNN.—It appeared to him to be open to the House to call for any lion. Gentleman's testimony.— That the Kruse had a right to examine the Attorney- General, there could be no doubt, but it was another question whether they could ask bins touching the sort of Jury which be wished to have, as tls it trenchod upon his office. _ _ _ Colon-1 BARRY.—After what has been said, I cannot ger on without explaining myself, The situation in which I sin placed, is a painful one. 1 hive undertaken to conduct this case, perhaps unfortunate for those concerned, and no con sideration stall induce me to shrink from the performance of my duty.--(ilear). I will examine every witness that I think necessary to the defence of the party accused. if the House think I ought not to push this inquiry further, I will desist of coarse ; but until such an opinion is expressed, [ shall feel myself called upon to proceed. The question which I have put, certainly was one of opinion, but I meant that it should be introductory to questions of feel. I wish then to ask the Right lion. Gent. whether Ite has ever had the rules and mentions of Orangemen laid before him. Mr. PLUNEETT.—I don't know exactly what the ques elms means. 1 certainly have bed a printed book, and written extracts from books of the rules and regulations of Orangemeh laid before me ; in that sense they have been laid before me, • Mr. WETHERELL was rising to . repeat his objection, when Mr. PLUNKETT adiled—" I beg the Hon. Gentleman's pardon, bat I wish to say. that I will answer any question, but I re,serve to my own case the right which I would ex ercise in that of say other win% ns, of objecting to any ques tion which I consider irrelevant. If the Right Hon. Gen tleman who conducts this inquiry thinks the quostinn rele vant to Sheriff Thorpe's defence, I aid answer it, but I. think myself it is irrelevar t. Mr. WETHERELL repeated his objection. The ATTORNEY-GENERAL did not think his Right Hon Friend (Mr. Plunkett) being Attorney-General for Ire teed, was necessarily a bar to his being examined as a wit ness.—(Hetr). If any improper questions had been put, he (the Attorney-Ginerst) would have felt it his duty to object to them, belt° his knowledge no each questioe. had hitherto been asked. He felt it, however, due to himself, and to all others Who shotild fill the situation after him, to protest against his Right honourable Friend's being questioned respecting any fact of u hick lie caine to the knowledge ofli- Sir JAMES MACINTOSH contended that the House Iliad a right to examine the Irish Attorney-General. He con sidered the eourse of inquiry pertinent too, fur as it had been said that the Orangemen were a faction so influenced fig party feelings that it was improper to them upon a Jury, it was a fair subject of inquiry to ascertain what the rules and regulations of this faction were. Mr. ASERCICOMBY agreed that such an inquiry was very proper towards other witnesses, hut very improper to wards the first Law Officer of the Crown, as it seemed as if the object was to extract from hint a legal opinion upon this association. Mr. PL(,'NKETT said, that in a popular sense,'he hid no objection to answer the Right Honourable Gentleman's question. Mr. SCARLET!' said the safest coarse was to pursue the inquiry, and trust to the sound discretion of the Right lion. Gentleman himself, as to those questions, which be would feel himself warranted in answering:—(lfeav). By Colonel . BARRY.—lies the 'Right lion. Gentleman any objection to state Whether these extracts %sere those of Lodge 1612? Mr. PLUNKETI'—.I don't know. Will he object to state what was the nature of these writ ten extracts ?—I have no objection, but tie only difficulty arises from the .badness of my memory. So far as that helps me, I shall answer the question. I wish only to ask, ishether these extracts dill-red in sub stance from the printed book ? —fly the written extracts I meip the names of individuals. and minutes of their proceed- Inp, exclusive of regulations. But I cannot speak cortect y to any thing particular. Will he object to state whether these parrs were pro cured for him by persons of the name of Atkinson :—I think I ought not to answer that question. Sir J. MACKINTOSH thought, that the Right Ho nourable Gentleman should hare beenaskei whether the knowledge which he had on the subject was obtained of ficially. Mr..R. SMITH thought this would be unfair, as his declining. to answer would lead to the inference that he had obtained the information in the manner stated. Ile asked why was not a written copy in print of the regula tions put in ? Mr. CA LCIIAFT—I have a copy in print Odle Orange regulations. Colonel BARRY disclaimed the intention of ex tracting any thing from the Attorney-General by in ference. Mr. PLUNKETT said be would have given the same answer to any other Member of the House. Col. BARRY said lie would not Ws, the examinatiim farther. The last question was then ordered to be expunged from the minutes. Mr. R. MARTIN.—I wish to ask the Right Hon. Gen- Getman a question. Do you not think that it was in the power of a Sheriff, fairly-minded, to inspanelaJury which would do jostice to both parties, from the large panel of the city of Dublin ? Mr..PLUNKETT.—I don't know that I can object to that question. Mr. MARTIN.--I'm sure the Sheriff could. Mr. PLU,NKETT.—!'hen 1 ought to ask you the guys tion.—(Laughing.) Mr. bIARTIN.—If you did. I could not object to its irrelevancy-1 would answer it. A conversation now took place as to the next witness, who should be called, but upon tl e suggestion of Mr. WYNNE, Thos. Sibthorpe was called. Examined by Col. BARRY.—Were yon in September or December last in company with Sheriff Thorpe and others at your father's house ?—I was. Wbo were of the party ?—The Sheriff and his wife, Graham and 111`Connel. Was Jackson there ?—He was. You played st cards?—Yes. Did you hear Sheriff Thorpe say any thing respecting the Grand Jury panel ?-1 did not. Did you hear any one say, he had used such an expres sion ?—1 did. 1 heard that M'Connel made at that such an expression was used; but referring to the time when it was said. to have been used, 1 know it was impos sible. You take on yourself to say that no such expressions were used 2—lf they were used, I could not fail to re mark them. By Sir JAMES MACKINTOSH.—Witness'a father was in town, though not summoned to attend here. lie was in the Jroool before any of the ompany arrived. The Sheriff and his wife came firit; c Jackson he thought came next. . Was there any political conversation ?—There was a conversation about the riot. Lid it last any time?—Not longer than an ordinary conversation. Did Jackson and M'Connel take part in it ?—T.hey did. Did • M'Connel say any thing that struck you as very gross or offensise to any body ?—I don't recollect. Was the i r. any conversation respecting the Lerd Slayor? —There was. Who took a part is it ?—lt began by an obstrea'ig ° made lay some one present. What was that observation bad luck to Fleming." (A langh.) 3 'bleating the Lord Mayor .—Yest If q II Jr 1, I . u t ti • hi in if tl PI Wi de anc res bet Will JO! • it' i Wa