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DEC 19. frau the peals hies attaching on other strangers. He would propose to give the magistrates a power to refuse or grant adinissloa to reporters ou their diacretiois. The Noble Lord bad not brought forward the clause which he had gives hopes so expect on a former night ; and, therefore, he ( Mr. Haste,) felt it his duty to propose ooe. The Honourable Measlier was proceeding, when The SP RAK suggested that the Otiose of Mr. Wharton was not yet disposed of, and that till thee no other could be teceived. Mr. COURTENAY then moved. John Cam Hobhouse had been guilty of such breach of privilege.—Agreed to, with the dissenting - No" of Sir F. Burdett.—Mr. Com teney alto moved, as an intermediate step, that Mr. Hub -house he milted to the Serjeant at Arens to-night. Mr. BROUGHAM deemed this to be a very unneces sary step of sevelity. Mr. itoblionse was absent to see his father, who was very ill; and why should this course Le pursned ? Mi. COURTENEY was quite amazed at this observa tion. He made the intermediate motion in compliance with the wish of Mr. H.'s friend. There was now no intermediate course left fur him; he should therefore The mutton of Mr. Wharton was Oro pat ne6atived without a division. Mr. HU %IF. then read his dame, proposing to make it Armful fora Lieutenant, it Sherd, a Justice of the Peirce. &c. to admit rewriters to public meeting , upon giving their name, their place of abode, &c. It was to he left Iu the discretbit of the magistrate w bethaf he would grant fulmar. moo or uoi, Irot baring the power to admit, it might be expected that he a oulii trot refuse to exercise it. no this elativie the Haase divided Far it 88 I Against 262 I Majority, 174, - . - - When we were re-atrimitted mut thr piilery, we found Mr. C. lIIIrcHiNioN moving a. clans.•, that the bill thuuid lint extend to Irelmul. Mr. PLUS said the members ro.- Ireland agreed to the eat n-ion d th.c hill to their country. because they felt that Mere ext.ted a s)tteus ui violence mid ititimi elation. — Mr. 'ft LRNEY said, that he could not help 'stir/4:51N his asiiiiiishittent at the inco bbb b teney of the Noble con duct. fney had had report , ot• committees, and al trot biz report, had na eu , in 1811. The If uspripairi of Inc /wheat corput Lid been founded upon these reports, but Ireland tra, •%clod d. Ualess, thee*. that the r a. lus nit or Ireland 111 1617 w.: a vtill reawou tar includins it in 1619, itecottid see IND yea.oil for it. (Hear. L. ay.) Lorod CAS ELE %WI denied that Oar thinge wus create 1817. lhe unl now was ware bpneinMie and wore dangerous tit.til in 1817. the nietr-ure to Ireland. wit ea teLlit rt no da.tatit period be required. It was.therefurr biter to give it at wave. (A IruAli.) IlitOUGst said. teat the rear-on assigned by the Isiohl Lord for eirosidertug toe danger greater now Oath to 1817, :.ppeared In lor cry whioustral. I'he dungen' were (greater. Why Because its Ini7 the Nohle Lord was sail-B.d with a e ..... mon rod. Now. a roil of setopi .... s was tatted.—( Hear.) —ln 181.7 we wanted but one aura use. Now site were apadt d. It was felll.llAnDir that genii. Linen Si. totally forged focuser scenes, and thought each liutet ening pe rind the worist the world rear 411 W. Tlisee•or four periods of this tiled occurtett to thecoutse of retry inair's. life, !nth becoming in its turn, ii,e worst that was ever kuttwu. The Noble Lord had Corporal hr did wit hlrone kilo, fur till did o ft —hut he bud qrsite forgotten tared/alien ha 1817. Ile 'night perhaps he confuisitiliog in some awastire whirl had 'seen plowed in a emu' of justice afterwards with ports of the reports; hat let his Right Hou. friend (Ur. Plunkett) !look at the reports ' and Wise could say that •tbe trio e imitation of our danger now was greater, he ( Mr. dlrottaliani) would out chaise his vole upon the presume sorstion. (Hear, irear.j There had heels the Bpencratet s)ste in. Time lastdilulder was to be plundered, but the funtlitulder was to Is. rooted out a. Linitaster And yet we were now told that we were in a worse stale than itt 1817. For the clause, 69 I Against it, 263 I Majority, 186. On our retiati lo the gallery, wit footed the house ills. .sussing some verbal amendment, in the body of the Mt. The Hone ariiiiornert at 2 o'clock. TUESDAY, DEC. 14. Mr. D. %V. HARAIKY cola/erred, that about two years ago •there had issued a Commisvion to enquire into abuses in the Excise Hoard and Department; the House had not as yet heard any thing or the result; he wished to know whether any reports had been made? afr—LUSHINGMON replied in the affirmative, observing, 'that he badmo objestion to their production, provided they were moved for. Mr. D. W. HARVEY remarked. that as reports had been made, and as there would be no objection to produce them, he ehould, on an early day, submit a motion to the House on the übject. He should nut none the day now. Lord PALMERSTON 'invented portions of the Army P.stimates, and gave notice that. as the Estimates could not be completely made up. he should on Friday move for a grant on account—a grant on account of the Oldnance would also be moved for on Friday. REFORM OP BOROUGHS.—GRAM POUND. Lord J. RUSSELL rose to make his promised motion. He raid he brought it termini under great difficulties, and at an alarming moment—at a time when there was great and dangemus irritation in the public mind. On one hand, too much was coked —what would endanger the Constitution; on the other there. was as dangerous a refusal of all enquiry or correction of the evils. The behet that there was something wrong in the practice of the Constitution, particularly of that Iluux, was not new. (Hear, hear.) When in late years, difficulties pressed upon the people. they were accustomed to look Into the Constitution of that floats., and into the music of con. trouling the expenditure. Mr. Pitt had so expressed himself on bringing forward his celebrated Reform Motion. He detailed the evils of the system, pointed to the causes of them, andiasked when such facts were manifest , was there not proo f ? of radical defects ?—(llear).—The spirit of the Constitution, by the ancient practice of it, proved that it admitted of amelioration and amendment to meet existing circumstances. and to si dilli culties. There were many and interesting proofs, (without entering into any examinat ion of the diffirent systems of reform which bad been pressed forward in our time) that when difficul ties arose, the remedy supplied by Parliament was that of representation. The instance of Chesser via a retnurkable proof .of such fact. But he would nut believe that it woo' be angel the power to make stick changes did not exist, or th..c than 4P/Cfe were nut precedents tin sutdi proceedings. These were 40 .be found. It now appeared that many uf ilomughs openly sold *heir rights, while there were large distitas thickly peopled, for which no representatives were required to be returned. This made that House not that representatigenf the whale nation a embody as it ou ght to be. Them Were .many floroughs that regularly sent ti . .eir agents to the treasury to have names appointed and sumo fixed.; Chip was deemed the roost respectable mode. Those Boroughs also were open to the specohitunis o dos nit% or ambitious iodividual&yrof those who waited debt. THE NATIONAL REGISTE/t. from ministers paid, who warded to repair their fortunes or to get places. And such system gave minima, an undue influence —do make wan mid impose taxes without that controul of the npreeentstiva of the people which was contemplated by the Constitution. Yet while titan Boroughs were at the mercy of ministers, there were places which bad become exceedingly populous in recent antes and therefore merited the consideration of the House—such Places as Manchester, dm. which had inaeased four and flee fold. Thus, indeed of the system " work ing well"—auch anomalies had risen up, and large places . were without Reepresentatives. while pieces that merely nominally existed, returned Members. But it might be said that those places had not petitioned ; when they did petition or address, then their proceedings were complained of; and if they did not petition, then such fact was to be used against View ; but would it not b hard-heatedness to legislate on Imo facts and feelings. To sheer that the influence of Government was almost predominant, the Noble Lord mentioned the feet of hit great majority of County Members being Mond in support of most important motions against influence and extravagance, melt motions being never theless lost, in consequence of the r aondcrating.numbers gain ed from the Borough Alembtrs. hid mot saes facts speak strongly in illustration of his general line of argument? tie though their tendency was thereby established. As to Male Rewlutions with which lie should conclude with movie;;, he reoug.it, in tak ing away the franchise from Grampound, could - not be said such place would remain unreptesenteil. (Hear, hear!) His Re solutions were limited in their es oatt--Mei dii net du tu the extinction of all the Boroughs, but that ought to be the twat step; and then he would come to the lied/nil on riaciple, and that would lead to notating less than a recenstrucilan ur c.e Howie of Commons. (Hear, hear.)—The outline of time cuo.‘ti..itioo et that Hou.e traced Counties, CAW. and Borouglis—....l it eras in such state when Montesquieu pronounced time !tepee eidaut system of t'mis country to be pertuct la (neon., and successful in practice. lie only warms" to see them reaostal to weir due in fluence in the retui ning . ut Representatives; earl if be cow. I be hold th.: Counties, Clues, sod llotoaghs rrstored to .beer due influence in the Represen.ative part of he iloverninimt of the Country. lie littpud tta“t a sprit of cone.liacon would yet be adopted—he felt as ure'tt tba• it would be airs,' tt..eful telitlemer It the love of jibe. ty existed, and if it were. telt. that with such tenni liberty tqey nod no share in the eate. men would the on of civil dissentain na‘c arrival ; ammo men might the efliats of an ambitious sing, Peer, or Demagogue be tile well.giounded source of alarm, lie co:niudeil SPlllibt loud cheers, and moved the following series of Resolution ;•• Fifst, 'That it is expedient tfiat all Boroughs, in which gross and notorious Bribery should be proved to prevail. should cease to return Members w serve in Pasibunent 4 provision being made to allow such ut the Eloctors a., shall not have been proved guilty of the aid offence, to give votes at any Election to be held for the Cooney in which ouch Boroughs shaU be respectively situated. Secondly, That it is expedient that the right of returning Members to serve in Parliament, so liken from any 'Borough which shall have ban proved to have been guilty of Bribery and Corruption, should be given to some great town, the population of which shall nut be less than I 5 ,0111.1 souls, or to sonic of the lay test Counties. Thirdly, That it is the duly of this House to nancider of fur ther means to detect and.pioveut torrnptioa in she hlnction of Members of Parliament. ................ . ---........ Fourthly, That the Borough gr Granipeund, in which gross and notorious corruption has been proved to prevail, do cease to send Members to this House. Lord NO it MANBY rose to sessedsterrearledens. Whenever trusts had been corruptly used . Shay ought to be considered as forfeited; besides, he who hough' his seat would be ready to sell himself: What security had they against such proceedings ? Such Members might be hooset—rd they night sell themselves —but surely they were any dint but Megmeentatives of the People, in the &institutional lantr• Oar* iliss CAssish article of manufacture was not the man T 1.... Lord CASTLEREAGH mid. MA 1 1 • 1 = 11 . 0 what seemed to be the main olt:!ect of Male Lied—tire Ashen ehiseauent of Grampound. He witilher it would not reso n,,,, be better to withdraw the which cub:seed welt debateable matter, and introduce a which would eemaiplish that object, touching which there was fitly hi he Met Nab iiit. Terrace of opinion; at least their Mode world be iiimeletl to 10111 C definite object. After WNW remarks from Mr. TWIN, and adieus, eingsatu latory of so much concession having been gibed. the resolutions were withdrawn, and Lord J. RUSSELL gave sodas, that em an early day he should move for leave to tiring in a Bill accordingly, to disfran chise the Borou gh of Grampound„ and to teamster tha right of returning two Members to Parliamect to 1/0111, maims town. The other orders of the slay having been disposed of, the Searching for Arms Bill. &e. the Hou s e adjourned. wenn cause. DEC. 13. EMPLOYMENT DIF THE POOR. Mr. B. WILBRAHAM presented a Petition from William Salisbury, praying the House to take into consideration his im • proved system for the employment of the poor. The petitioner desired no pecuniary assistance—bi only u uplored the ]louse to . enquire into his plans, to observe the good, effects that had resulted from an application of them. and to point out uutousfor die more genera) iniquities of diem. Mr. Alderman WOO!) obsessed. that the system bad been applied in the Cite Howe of Correction with atoms; but whatever might be "done, he trusted that the question would 1 not he overburdened with Committees. Mr. B. W I LBRAII AM moved, that Mr. Sa/isbury'e Petition he referred to a Connuittse, with directions to report their opinion hereon. Mr. II USKISSON saw no reason for delaying this Committee, for the House might not think it proper to appoint an enquiry into erilarbes of such extensive drums as Mr. Owen's. Motion withdrawn, and that Ibr the printing of the Petition canted. INSOLVENT DERTGRN. Lord A 1.T110111% rose tonvwe for leave to bring in • Rill to extend relict to Insolvent Ilebeas, a loving sd.ette.l to the Act of die last ge.sion, he observed, that had he been then present. he certainly should have opposed it ; and he now desired that there should be sense alteration in the Constitution of the Court, particularly by introducing the power to institute exami oatioas into the debts. Ik.e. preview to the appearance of the parties in Court. Hs was well satisfied with the conduct of tiovernnient m frowsy*, she Lue Commissioner (Serjesnt Ituunington). and all Abe de&i , sweept one; aid he was so far ratified with theosoduct of** t Commissioner (Reynolds) that lie shouldobandon Aka • lo o of Pro Posing three Cthn missioners inateattof une. The lirerioua k inquiries he proposed to he before examinants; and he alsolleuggested that debtors should be curepelled to take the benefit of the Insolvent Debtors' Act after a certain 4 preied. He should also propose that the property of the debtors. instead of being sold. should be aqui*, traced fur the benefit of theicreditors. The peseta CI expires in April next, and unless ho esukl pin those leading ohjects which he had now detailed. be should deem it to be his duty to oppose,any renewalof the Insolvent Debtors' Act. Cho Motion was speed to. aid leave given to bring in the Bill THE LIBEL BILL. Mt. J. SMITH presented a Petition from St of the Booker-I fers of London, complaining of . the Libel Bill, partied's:lr .af that portion which went to subject second convictions fur lipal to transportation to New South Woks. He implored the serious attention of the House. osportaAly the Ministers, to this petkion. Aa Wel was an o6tica.olsueb a doubtful nature. and os doom 413 were persons of great respectability engaged in she publishing trade, it this Bill pasted they must give up their trades. I Mr. 11E111 4 1AL said, the dignity and liberty of the Coantry. and the freedom of the press, were insepuably connoted, and he must therefore oppose the obnoxious clause of the Bill. Lord CASTI.EIMAG - ll observed. that in tba Committee he should propose alterations, particularly the amnion of the trans portation clause ; (Cheers !) but he should retain the banishnicat I pan fur second convictions regarding blasphemous and treasonable libels. He hoped to be abic to justify the retaining of such alternative. Mr. M. A. TAYLOR should protest against the introdnetios of that mode of punishment, new to the law of England, termed banishment. He should not be softened by the abandonment of the tninsportation clause • the Bill would still he most objeo. tionable ; indeed i t woul d be amazing if the 1401/W could 131 satistled with such changes, when the Bills pnyosed nothing lest, within the course of three weeks, than wholly to alter ILI Constitution of the country. (Hear, Iseee) Petition read, and ordered to be punted. STAMP DUTIES BILL. Lend CA STLE RE AG I 4 then rose to moss the second reading of the Newspmer Stamp Uutius Bill. As man, alterations were to he intro,h t eed, he proposed that the Bill should go through the Committte, and met the debate be taken on the bringing up of t:te report on Friday next. The firdb alteration woall be. to tie.ine the publiestidascalled porio.h.tch as the object was not to futetreto with the monthly or miter 1mu1.e! . .:;0123 reAsrdi.ig litera shut, the arts. or religion ; it was to attaeli to t...! one or toe sheet publications. which, i.r.de: the garb of ;..utifhlets. interfered with iiewirapers sod the us.. - .paper regulations. He also pro posed • • irvdn the amount of the s,..ia.rities; the principle of such se:softiies he deemed it CSWlltila W retain, he dui mtng sued publications to constitute the great danger; the altt:ration would be to lessen the sum tom SOOI. to Soul. tut towL, and ti,r the country, from the puulianiig parties tilemsele,soiod sui cues at other individuals to sunder amounts. tifiem ) Ur. TiIiAtNEY and Mr. esprows4 them. ash's% again.* the principle of the Bill. anti mom osputialip against the piineiple of requiringsureties4 and they begged the; acquiescence in the present proposition slight not be construed in Into any approbation of 4 meas u re which itmodiseed most fatal roads. Bill read a mond time. sad ordered to be committed to. The:wood reading of the &admit Libel Bin was postponed tall Monday. The Tweeting Bill misread it sewed time. SEARCHING FOR ARMS &ILI.. On the motion that the report of this Rill heaaxi►od. Mr. PALTLIITT spoke ageing the estassiun of the Bill te Durham. Lard CASTIAMIZACH afamilad ribisluiries Odle Bill— fin the object was. not only W me, lharmiparts. btu those pin's that were nem suds Awned pmts. Mr. LA NI BMA oissaves4 that ate part of Dadaist as much merited It as another pact of it—..a fiat was. not at ;—fie dterefure moved, that ths_esport be received this day sit mouths; en which the House divided I— _ _ Ayes n I Noes 94. shcmped was Asa reed and *greed to. and She ball Wood t. be reed a third time trammel. - - he remaining orders hiving bees disposud oC. the Mouse adjourned. THURSDAY. Dec. lIMWSPAPER STAMP. Nr. LIYSIIINGTON moral, that the Houle revoke iNelf into a Committee on the ?hummer Stamp Duties Regulation Bill; die House accordingly rewired itself into such Cum. mince. Mr. LUSIIINGTON handed is seam amendineats, which were not read, but the Chairman. Pet the ete" , that he do report this Bill, with muendrocata, Is ske House forthwith. Agreed to. - Air. BROODER brought 4113 the Avert, which wee agreed to without having been read. Ordered se be printed, and to be taken into consideration on Friday. IRON COMM'S. Mr. G. LAMS pcisarsia Taitiitien ---- sit endue an unnenei nature; it was hem sip husband asinine* lab Sr when remains he had been ineble topecanninallookra aemeriam of those remains ban canausi 1 Os 41 1 Mr. illoVipon's patent iron coffins. le wise:views tissue Went the Amin* hid been shove ground far the hat el" months. The peti tioner added, that he bog chosen suds minb ecitniihnee with the death bed injunctions of his sites she bee grimed upon by the tear that her ressabas tut& be disturbed by whet were culled resurrection men. Mr. II h NETT said. that tem .measures were absolutely neraiutry to check proceoilinp now pursued to disturb the dean, for the pstryose of dissection. .He was actitteinted with all the details of the system ; the accounts were handed to hint in the Police Committee, and he abstained from promulgating thenu because they would have cssated tenor and alenti tbsoughout the country. They convinced hint, however. that some pro. needing. en the subject were called ter.—(H eat.) The petition was eventually received and *Wend to Ile on the table. WINE DUTIES. Sir r. MODICK was .undersierid to ask whether the Chased lor of thc Exchequer hurl determined on she nature of an aquas ligation of unite wine duties, which. it wee apprehended by some. had been beretofiscoruiemplated ;—his quaidee *dental, to the duties on Portuguese wises The CHANCELLOII. d the EXCHEQUER declined giving any decisive swarm The merchants. however, mid not to be under any censternstioems t e sulucct, as it was a subjetg that could not be hastily determined on or disposed of. as is would be esntmukd in some =apart by the ariangrutents with ether countries. I'HAASFkIt OF ISFECTIVE FRANCHISE. Lord John RUSSELL. pursuant to Renee, rose to move fez leave to bring in a Bill to disfranchise Grairupuund. end se enable Leeds to sold two Rurginsos in lieu tbercel.—(llear.)a Lord CASTLEIMAGH. ns by had beim stated. had se objection to the bringing in efthe Bill fur the Dtsfranehieenient of Erampound. Tiw second reading of the bill ought to be postponed to a distant day. Lord J. RUSSELL. atter bringing in the Bill, purposed. to pit-Atone the second reading till atter the holidays. Motion agreed to. MANCHESTER PETITIONS. Mr. CR(ML;(311A01 preowned a potation from Thomas Betifurd of Middleton. The Iltt►)futter Glated that he uttentied /he tucetion4 Aug. Vt. and that %utile there aa unexpected attack out matte *a the 11%.emblage by toe yenta:troy. tint of them, tom Oliver ( Alexander Oliver) made a tut at thr prittiuocr i and front ta loch he atm ttot:4l4o in mid that hr thumb) recticed • ..mule %tumid to th e shm t hi r e. The petstivau•r had imutht maim.", but he had hitte-rto hems mumble ly oblaill it unit he thettfute Ix - sougl4 the iutrrfrrruer of tote littu.e. NI:•. LAM v rebcofro :t similar petition from Ttwevis Luckilart. Sir It. IV ILSBN presented a aimilar petition Burn Thumna lisro.,rd, stating Um he h .d Rilol beep rut at and otalms,.4 by one of the Yeoinastiy ; tlutt he had in vain ininlorrd liorbrulaure. but that be bad out since found the Assailant nor obtained any redress. Sir 1. BURI)IiTr presented a petition front Robert Lets, (Tst cnntinuation sce rage 4:6.)