The Statesman. — London, England, 1819-02-18 00:00:00

To CHARLES . FORBES, Eia. M. P. FOR NAINSBURY. -~_~ SIN — I did myself the honour of addressing you, in March last, throve' the medium of the Sr4rsa x4s, in consequence of your manly exertions in Pediment on behalf of the Royal Navy, epos the Estimates of that Service being brought ep for dis cussion: and as prejudice, ever blind, still contioen, to opposition to the better reason of a majority of the United Kingdom in favour of that arm of the pub lic service, I have presumed once more, through the same independent Jaime), to claim your favourable *need... Sion the period alluded to there has set been owe step tales by the Board of Admiralty, to place t►e Navy epos the same footing as the Army, noteithstsodlog it hes been admitted ►y blioisters themselves, that It had been in contemplation, sod wee an eject highly desirable. Notwithstanding t►e numerous warniep that daily present thanbelves to the most comae. observer, the some ruinous system is persisted io, in sliewieg the Navy to deledle bite decay, and die hest resources of the Gentry treated wit► greets weglect; fee Instance—a few weeks ago a large Brevet promotion of Military Officers took place, said to have been for services in the field hitherto overlooked ; but we look is vale for soy correspoodiag ',comities in the Navy. May Hamm avert wbat the Peet se emphatically describes as the resell of such apathy ! " Fee dwold the sliding fabric 'ace give way. Saes darkened gear, Sad pow recovery brute, . b 'view rein rit rolls gawp radio( down, to drat devoid:re gulf Ohm may a nighty empire belied liev." If we east mar eyes across the Atlantic, and view the activity that prevails la all the Navy yards of the Uoion- -if we slew with what liberality the Ame ricans pay their 'Seers sod most—if we view the lofty tees that Is assumed by them in their public documents, is palliatiog the aggression committed on the (*entry in the persons of two British subjects, la there not eau* for this contrary to be prepared? sod Is net the language of a Pahlie Jeanielist, who so aptly espreesed himself to the following effect, worthy of attention?—" to the framing, however, of ear astablishmeots, it is certain, that the country views with mach mere pain the redaction of the Navy, thee that et Army : this feeling claims at. wile& The merit of the two services Is persosally equal—there are brave men alike in both; bet not ear to their possible operation open the subjects of a free State. An Army may oppress our liberties at lane, a Navy Never can be used bet in the proem. lion of them egoism foreigners. It is in our Navy, therefore, only that we as repose ..alloyed cosi doom" As I am willies le do jetties to the Admirsky where say navies may have bees greeted to those who base a mimeses to the Navy, I beg lees. te espy the fellow* as the mobsters, of ae Order from that Board, doled the 18th January, 1819: " His Hayti Highness the Prince Regent having bee% west graciously pleased to authorise the Coed of Assistants of the Sea Officers Widows' Charity, to grunt Pensioes to Widows of Commissioued sad Warrant °limes of the Royal Navy, witbeet restrie.- floes as to the amount of their incomes, sod sot utsitlssteadieg they now are, or iney have beam no. married, provided they shall appear to be pryer sod deserviog objects of the public bounty." • The gallant Gement Fsaoussom put a very home gondloo, a few evenings ago, that pot Ministers to the blab, by encisiriog how it was that Naval OH. errs paid a fee at the Admiralty, on obtainiogf leave of absence to go abroad ? The answer wit—fur mentingencirts; and from this it appears, a Peron he the Navy, who has been twenty years in the ser ail*, with a wife mod fussily, with only three shillings per *ems, desirous of proceeding out of the kingdom, most pay at the Admiralty ten shillings and siapence foe indeigesee to prooecute his commercial views. Ravin trespassed, Sir, thus mach upon your time, I shall conclude in the lines of the enlightened test already quoted— " nes cberlsb this—ibie lortpessive rower, • 121suageress to tie Pulat—ever prompt. • Ey lavish Malan ihruse We yew Ysd.^ A FRIEND TO THAT CONSTITUTIONAL. Fe►.ll. FORCE, THE NAVY. A LIST OP THU WHISPIHIS or THE DAY, LIKE THIS ON DM IN IMANCL. it saispered thee a murrain has seised all the C.rowoorl Heads Is Europe, and that if greet are be swat taken, the several Gliverstosents will find it diffi cult to keep their Kings on their respective Thrones psi say length of lien together. It is whispered that a ()MIMI separation is likely Nhk► place betimes a couple of Personages of very high rank; and when the world believed to be very happy in their onion—not a whisper is beard against two Ledy: It is whispered that Mr. Pen is to be Chancellor of the Eschequier, bet thin his father, Sir Rosati, will not be made Greek Professor in the University elf Cambridge. The King of NAPLES, it is stated, was absent from his capital, white his brother, CHARLES IV. of Seale, died there., The health of the former Monarch h mid to he much impaired. Inc FRENCH LANGUAGE—These who bane wet led the advantage of residing in France for the ac quirement of the language, will derive much bone& from a little work that hes jest appeared, entitled The Al of French Ceirverention. It is conyructed is se new and earellent a plan as will, no doubt, . mese it to supersede the es. elan ♦orks of a similar asters that hare hitherto appeared. - 7 113 E STATKSMANi lo Tyr EDITOR or rnz STATESMAN. Sta,—A Bill is about to be brought before the consideratinn of the House of Commons, for this repeal of Ike USURY LAWS. I observe that yet are in favour of the repeal; bet I beg leave to say, Shut this is not a proposition to be taker for granted, not. withstanding the weight of general principks which has been brought to bear upon it by yes and other able writers, who look *My et general principles, without supposing there may esist tummies to them, mew I may spy to the destruction of the cease and teeming of the principle itself. The great and ultimate object of all political science, sod of all general principles forming the code of that science, is to provide for the /AMY and witt.rati of the Pao ,„ PM here may be rowel principles leading almost universally to that object; bet. in the deviations of human affairs, there do near occasions when adhe rence to the accustomed set of general principles may be utter destruction to the ;wpm@ which gar• them birth. General principles are not, following the terms of the expression, universal principles, nor of application;lnfo lible and great hare been the errors of policel economists in overlooking that very palpable truth. Now, Sir, I hold this to be the case in the pieseet question. It is a tree proposi. lion, generally, that the freedom of commerce is beneficial to the interests of commerce. It is wise sod useful, generally, to permit parties, contracting for soy article. to make Ilse bergain in the best way they can, which lathe most likely to lead the way to their real mutual interests. Bet there is ever 6 died party in all these transwieres. This is the Poetic; who, although they will be generally benefited by leaving theopenitioes ofeommerce to themselves,esay be injured and almost routed by the pursuit of this maim in peculiar and estrum, cases. Let as see how this reasoning boars opus the point of the re peal, at this time, of the User, Lase. And, my first ides is, that it would raise the price of money. or the role of interest. The waste of tradesmen are so great, and the moderation of money-lenders so small, that the rate of interest would probably rise to ail, or eight, or even ten per cent. But one menefacturers cannot now go to the foreign market. on amount of the too high cost of their goods. flow le it to be. *bee an incre.ued price is to be put on the Aire of money / It will not be denied, this our trade is carried on, is greet part, on a borrowed ca pital, raised by bills of eschunge Red other borrow ing expedients. The LAND-OWNER is as guilty of borrowing as the trader ; sad by his Corn Bills, he ▪ raise his reels in proportion to the rise in the rate of interest. This, again, falls upon the mane. lecturer's goods, which should feed the nation's wealth by a constant stream of exportation. The HOME CONSITEIPTION, In every pert, must be iocressed in prim; and this. again, Merman the price of our manufactures. What is to be said to this? Will you say, that the metiers is to be stabbed to the heart to feed the rapacity of money-lenders with its, last blood ? I wish yes, Sir, to reflect on this, which is, Weed, matter of gigot eerie., import. We shall bear what Mr. Serjeent Onnow makes of the ques tion ; meantime, I am sorry to see your respectable Paper sake it up it • way that appears to ere din-' prom to the tree interests .f the country. I am, Sir, yew's, February 17. 1819. A MANUFACTURER. IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. HOUSE OF LORDS, Fos. 17. The Howe proceeded in Appeals. The retire were admatistered to the Earl at Gosport ad Lord Aadehe•w. Trelaway's Divorce Bill was trod a first Ilse, mod ordered N be read issernsid so-osorrow foraught. TheS l 4loo.llllol. liselterrer Bilk Bill. sod the Bristol Oes. Debt Hill, were tte...soht op l'etwo the Howe of Coseassaa by Mr. Wooden, Mr. Hart Davis, aed other Members, lei reed • Ira tire. The 1, 441 t, Pre. Outlet Bill was reed a third finical! used. Adjoined toll i.e.iwnerow (Has do)). NAVAL INTELLIGENCE. Drat, Fu. 17.—Iteesain in the DnW/It the Am. phitri , e, Davison, fo► Pernambeee; and MAP Premien ship &wartime hierssner, for the Mediterranean.— Come down from the Itleer his Majesty's sloop of war Alert. Porriatoorn, Fcn. 17.—Arrived the Mary Ann Thompson, front London to the Copp of Good Hope Rose, White, from do. for Lisbon, with loss of sail: and leaky; and several others, and contain with tha rest of the cost ward.boend. e FALWOUTN, Fats. 13.—Arrived the British Army, Mariner, Rut Moira, and Thomas and Mary trans ports, from Portsmouth, with the 4th Regiment on board, for Barbados; and two or three outward. bnond vessels, and remain wind.bnend.—Put back the Colombia, Thompson, for Rio Janeiro. Livcuroot., Fas. 16.—Th► United States, Wind sor, from Hall to 'Yew York, arrived at the Ha. wounds, on the 11th of January, in distress.—Ar rived the Carolina Ans. Ogden, from Now Yolk; sailed on the Seth J y, in company with tie Doke of Marlborough, for this port. GLAIGOW, Fas. 12.—Arrived the Earydice, Young, from Bengal. Cowes, Fn. 17.—Put back the ship S. Niche. las, Brandt, from Petersburgh for Brest, with alas maga in her sails, and remains with the outward• bound. LTMTNIGTOV, Fas. 17.—Pot beck from WS, the Dincombe, Sleigh; and London Packet, Aspill, the wind having Coale to the S.S.W. Cook, Fn. 14.—Arrived the Emma Ansdale, of Pniladelpkie, with oil, arms, &c. frow dataperp for New York, leaky. Haawten, Fos. 17.—Arrived the Nelson picket, with a Mail, Ike. frees flolleod. Rumors; Fas.l7.—Came to several vessels for abets,,. GRAMIIND, Fa. IL—Arrived the New Union, Rote, from Ostend ; and Nancy, Johnson, from Rosen.—Seiled the Ookr, Alderson, for /Madeira, At. ; Mars, Happen, for Hoenos Ape.; Ranger, Itannlngon, for Demerara; and Albino, Hurst, for Antwerp. ft is ►eperted t►at en Austrian Archduke Is to he eppoloted GsvPrser Of hillia Sad Dalmatia, and to raids at Trieste. . In the Sitting of the Second Chamber of the States• General of the Kingdom of the Netherlands, on the 13th inst. the Patt•Joc_rr commenicated to the Cham ber three Treaties concluded by his Majesty with the King of the Two SUMP, and with two Princes of Germany, on the reciprocal abolition of the Draft It.dubains io their respective States. ROUSE OF COMMONS. Sir *. Curtis took the sighs and his seat for Rieeebiet ler.—Wheo the Hes. Desemet come to the NW* to be swore, there ems ft enesideriiMe cherries risen hod sada of the Hesse. Mr. CUR* , reed is Petition front she 0 effi Oeropiers Lapel in eerie , ' Parishes of Yorkshire. relief/ that lona Mines Eagles be node rateable to the Poor &web— Laid eethe table. . _ The !Nielson some lie Brishi Election me sedered Is be He esseesessee of the 11 4 etitieser. J. asetliser, and whims see having mitred Ws rseestastrares. ELECTION Pit rt rioms. The !PENNI-A.4ord U. she lielee that neeasitesere had wet bees esteved hem is the are of Jaws Osly, the Pritchett., pigskin the Eketi. • Noe eh, IMPS at Galway ; nor is the roe or I). B. Ihtly. the PetithshT 'spirt the Meuse fee the calmly of tiltimay t is that the Hope had essethses. is the else lekh Elestises. thuseht at e• isilsese Om brew, irlocit ww• arnwassely indorsed te - Toesity weltsidthi. hi.. I.C• HI N (ITON besight op she kepart of the C... miner rpm* she Act relative t.• the Tits spon Awhsed HOME $ shrn 4 NM sae listed he he breeilt is rosfurselils Is Ile linolutsuo. THE CORY I.AIVI. M►. STUART woitii.tv presented a Petition from the Agriculturists of tbe West Riding of York. shire, prs) iug that nirsoores might be taken to en tutorage the egriceltore of the coontry, by preventing the importation of foreign care. 011 the motion that the Pewit's should lie on the table, Sir ROBERT WILSON rose and spoke to the following effect :—" Sir, l really was in hopes. from what passed in this Hoes* •s the very first day of the Session, • hen several Corn Petitions were me. mated, that the Gamlames styling themselves Agri. calturists, would have stifled, with their own hands,' those Petitinos which were !mown to be then in ctr. moieties. I am, however, disappointed ; and those Petitions are creeping into this House day after day, until, in a short time, we shall he surprised by the smarm ekes almost imperceptibly introduced. It ap. pears to me the Agricelte r ' do riot know, or will not consider, the temper aid condition of the labour. log clamp*, or they would never hazard the farther exasperation of feelings which have never be►n com pletely tranquillised since the last Core Bill *as passed ; they never wield thus madly throw a fire. brand into combeslibit elements, which, if once en. kiedled, cannot lee extinguished without leaving fearful traces of desolation. iVhat claims have the Agriculturists to this special favour from this llee•e at the ripener of the labouring classes ? Can they plead, that when they do obtain a high price for their corn, that they ameliorate the conclitiost of she agri &feral laborite,? On Ilse contrary, do they not still confirm them to insufficient wages, which they are obliged to eke oat with scanty subsistence and perish relief? • Do t►ey not do this, relying on the power which they have over the greater part as to. name at will, subjected to ejection from their habits lions at a moment's notice? The lehouriog claims are now Damon the greatest distress from the high price of provisions. They will net submit to starve siloolly wider a system of ur•w prohibitory duties, operating es an additional tag upon bread core. If the Agriculturists persist, the table of this House will be loaded, not merely with Counter Petitions, bet Petitions against the existing Coro Laws. With difficulty the Peoples,' now restrained—on the least encoorsgetnent, their Petitioas would pour in frees every part of the kingdom. It is to M hoped, thew Gentleateu of landed property who are too wise and liberal to concur in the projects of the Petitioning Agricalterists, will ass their influence to persuade them to desist, and think of plans to diminish, not to aggravate, the hardens of the People. If they will cot teke warning, they will endanger the public temiguillity, and pet all property in jeopardy.-- They withdrew from the last contest with great ad vantage, let them not recommence it, least they should be involved in a rash sod perilous penult that may end la their rain." Mr. STUART WOII.TLEY declared that be did not agree with the opinion of the Petitioners. But •ith regard to the teems ks of the Gallant Officer, be begged to observe, that it was impossible for any Gentleman to stifle them Petitions as the Gallant Officer desired. The Petitioners,it should be under. ;good, only milked for the appointment of a Committee, in order that they might Iranian opportenity of pro,. lag the troth of their allegetions, and he could see no objection to the presentation of tech a Petition. It was, indeed, his duty to present it, and whatever might be his own opinion, he submitted that be was the Representative of Agriceiteralists as well as of Ma nufactorms--theer, Ater!];—and that it was in. combeet open him to wood to the interests and wishes of both.— r /leer, hear, hear 11—The Ilan. Member conclodesi with stating that he advised the Petitioners net to urge this Petition, bat still as they regeired him to present it, he could not consistently decline 'ado so. Sir R WILSON disclaimed any intention to de. prorate the presesitation of e Petition from any body of meg, adding, that he mo t et o nly to impress epee the Hew, that the agitation of the question referred to by the Petitioners, was bet too likely to prodeee a greet deal of mischief, and that to prevent tech agi. tallest, It was desirable that Gentlemen oboald ere all fair Isrdeenee to preterit Petitions of Ibis ostere from being presented. Mr. AldermanWOOD renegued with the Gallant 015 , 1. r in deprecating sech Petitions as that under een.ideration, &merging, that In order to settle the matter, it would be moth better in the Hon. Mem ber to move at once for the appointment of • Com mittee to consider the Corn Lens. The country had been thrown into a state of suspense and uneasiness, by the rameers *Boat, and the Petitions circulating upon the subject of the Coto Laws. It was appre. headed, indeed, that some Legislative measure 1101 ill contemplation upon this sebjeet, and hence con siderable alarm was tucked. To decide, then, upon the qeestion at one., it was rather to be wished that the Iles. Umber would some for the appointment of a Cemmittee, which motion would, be had no doubt, be rejected. Mr. C. WYNN said, that he comld not rem with the last speaker, that a motion ►hould be mad* N. any Committee upon this ?abject, or that any (Other legislative .assort should be proposed with regard to Corn. It was, no doubt, the duty of the fien. Member to present a Petition from his cnostiteents, but he could not help expressing his regret that MI Petition was erred; for the tory entering into say discussion of the ohject referred to was, in his epi. Won, pregnant with danger, as such a Mammies wet calculated le incite 'lards moot a variety of conflicting interests. Every wan who heard him must remember the general ("meat that prevailed ►et a few years sin, when the last Cora Bill was under discorsion, could not fail to be impressed with the evils likely to arise out of loch discassioe. Te the Bill alluded le lie was a decided opponent. He resisted It, indeed, in "eery stage of its progress, be. cease he was cesvinced that no beneGt would aria to agriculture, or to any branch of the public into. rest, equal in. any degree to the disadvantages which were likely to be the remelt. Such was bit deliberate *pillion, and that opinion was jellified by esperi ate; for it appeared, that while the egricslierists wets anivertially dissatisfied with this Ise, its earl. once OH the source of gement complaint sacra( the other classes of the community. On these grounds he slioold enter his poorest et once against the pro pallier, of any legislative measure •u this subject, upon the specious pretence of benefiting agriculture*. Mr. S. WORTLEY said, that lie had no inten tion of proposing any pressure upon the subject of this Petition. Sir 3. CRAIIASI obsessed, that all (how with whom ha was cents/vied, or had any opportonity of conversing upon this *stint, were p er f ect ly se w e d with the esplieit declaration made alum the first dap of the Session, and ha regtottad ter whose* any at• tempt to damp that satisfaction. Sic R. WIVION again disclaimed any inlentioni to interfere with the sulsjorts right to Petition, but repeated his opinion, that Gentlemen who consulted tho public pest. tho•ld ondmour to dimmed, those upon whom they had indigenes out of doors, from o rti t il eyeiltin i ts of this nowt. A MEMBER, whose name we cculd not learn s chaerved, that upon the question referred to in the Petition. ire • 'sold not at present deliver any opi bor Ine deprecated any attack upon the chem. t.r of the igricultarel interest. He was sorry to best' the Gallant Officer chew the sericulture! body with soy indifference to the fair claims of the !aboard, ing classes. and he had no doubt that the Hun. Of. firer was incorrectly informed. The general con. deer of the spindlier.' body woeld indeed indispose any one really acquainted with that body is attend to it—(/tense !)—The crindect end character of this body, were, in fact, such as to entitle them to the reaped sod regard of the country, especially cwt. adoring the utility of their occupation. Sir R. WILSON declared be had no ;nepotism et depreciating the character of the egeic e ir ecn i body ; bet he felt it his peculiar duty to attend to the fair claims of the mennfactering interests and of the Is. bearing clas,es, lle had no doubt that it would be much wire for the interest of the egriculterel bed), to content themselves with Ike advantages which they bad derived from the Corn Laws, than by provoking any further discussion of the subject to risk the loss of rinse *drawee's, and to pet the tranquillity . of the Pablic le jeopardy. The Petition was ordered to lie on the table. Mr. CASBERD presented • Petition frosh the poittiourir against the 'morn for Sr. bee. peillog further title for entering into recognisance,. After seam, farther conversation, in which the Speaker, Sire 1 Graham, W. Stirling, and Mr. C. W. Wyss took a rut, the time wee enlarged until this day week. A similar Order Wll9 made, until Wedraestley nett. with regard to the Petitioners egeinst the retain for Heeelmerr . , after a conversation b etwe e n ai r . C. Wynn, Mr. R. Ward, end Mr. Cameo, who pre sented the Petition. Lord 11.. SEYMOUR. presented • Petitlea front certain small Farness sad Freehottlere of the Cesa r, of Cart•arthen, prayiog the redection of the Dory upon Saddle Ilorses.—Ordered to lie on the table. SCOTCH BURGH RrFORIIf, Lord A. HAMILTON presented a Petition from certain Merchants, Burgesses, sod Members of the Corporation of Perth, preying for an slieretion is the Constitution of the said Borough. The Noble Lord expressed a wish end hope, that before the im portant question, to which this and other Petitions of a similar nature, already before the Horne, re. (erred, was brought ender consideration, namely, the it.foras so much desired, and so desirable is the system of the Seotch Burghs, these Gentlemen who meant to interfere in the decision, would take the trouble of reading the severe! Petitions which were printed in the Votes of the uses,. The Petition was ordered to de on the table, cod to be printed. _. _ A Message from the Lords annesiced their Lord. ships' assent to the Malt, Sugar, sad Pension Duty Bill. CHIMNEY-SWEEPERS. Mr. OMMANNEY presented a Petition from certain Master Chimney-sweepers, egoism the Chim ney-sweepers Regulation Bill, observing at the same time, that many chimneys could net be swept by means of mecitteits, and that the Ml!mould prevent parish peepers from being taken as apprentices by Caishey-sweepers. Sir J. YORKE costarred with the last spesk•r Is the present rage far Legislation, a law might Its made against a sailer being sent to the mast-bad.— Au alteration shoeld rather be made in the construe. 'ion of cliiineeys, which would supersede the Dec.,. soy of the Bill. Mr. BENNETT stilled, that open the principle of the Hon. Member no . less than 800,000 chianti,' in Landon must be altered. The modern chimneys were much the most dilictilt to be swept. With re spect to a sailer being sent Its the nest-hood, he did not imettlnis that straw was kindled ender his feet to make him ascend the goicker. Sir J. YORK E and, N.; ►et he h seirsetimes started with a rat.o'-itinst-talle.—Laid es the obis. Lord EBRING'ION presented • Petition frnms Deeess►i►e, whirls we onalteratood to ►slats to the Poor Lasts, hut we could set distinctly ascertain its f rom 1h csorlwy manner in which it was teed by the Clerk.-.-Ordered to lie on the table. 1