The Statesman. — London, England, 1820-05-03 00:00:00

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A., is franc puVic-hou id tJ public-'..wan, lie;•orts to unite with thins in various plots to OWN tory the &twee:newest. u: the must important e was tocsaie4 un an as-dsraiii.e which Lel !••• th:.t lia WIWI de 4ily take seven or eight refs insl :nto the Ili:use of Coulawns, 31441 that it was not no ses.ary they shou'id go in •• C1e411,.. which usesot that 'hay No*tot go in with any thing tinder their armisti aid he pie:Hood that they should go is with hooks or ▪ whiOr might he !Pled with gam-harrel% rut ;ivies to the !mon of three or tour inches each, sutl i sr'tar*e.l with grinpolvdcr, phosphotaC &c., to bit' i!1.1, tile body of the Hussy, fur the de ut the as-embiesi leinbers! •la le coarael ot several conversatirma which took pl.see with rsH • the plan, and to the meant of exorcists E.:wards deAared, that " Thistlewood was the I. ,y to d, it It le.ts very clear, that two el ) 4 after l,,stlewi.ua's liberation from Horsham ;au', Edwards vv.; irit•ivincell to that person at Preston's, the robin. it was al.,' clear that Edwards did get the ells. n.aoe t, which 1.- /4,41 alluded; that be prepared tl.e ran sr . , and that he setused to be supplied' with µwary i3r that purpose; for althouch hr bad tut very receraly Leen compelled to lie us straw, and was ...cable to !.rin ore a put of beer, he had all at once li.'au ttAtaCietlt to purchase those and oth.w instru merit, 4 , ..1 %seaports of destruction. These %err the parts at the deposition %tacit 'mainly affected the 114.4 e. 1.• the .stiter. parts, which were of a very b lie *wild nut advert, unle , s re igeirod to J. so by the appointmeat of a Cornmittee of Se..reey, or in any other nay in which the House might think tit to call fur the dieelosure. All the r...ta described in the depositioa were originally laid • by Ethwart:s ; and the Hoene would bear in mind that none of the persons by whom the deposition hAi be• a made were witnesses Oil the late trials, either to: the Crown or for the prisoners. lie had that ir..rning received s, ceral other rionolunications of a similar ueture,'bearing tratisnony to the character of eilwards, and di scr:bing the %wives plots which he lot I suegested. What he (Mr. Aliter.s.an Wood) now reiumited was, that the House siouiti hate the indul ge•rce to dire.:: It;nt what course to pirogue. Perhaps 11- • • ir.l.fillatto-v, as far as he had ilio.cribed thew, ai,4ht S.e r orisidcr,J a breach or privilege, and it might be eepedient to order the iosiatediate attendance so' the utfemler at the liar.—(:l laugh.)—lf, on the • hand, it should he aought advisable to appoiut a eriminitt,t 11l Secrecy, the whole of thr evidence would Coen become fit matter of deliberation. Ile was ready to adopt either proceeding. He had dime that which in his situation he had conceived to Le his duty. Not lowng thought it right to swear the parties to their account of transactions which h.iil taken place in the cour:ty of Alitid!Net, hr had only the alternative *A sending theta to a Millslleies Alaristrate. or of e i ki ni the m to 1.9711 Sidmoutli. tie had felt it to be his (lute to adopt the latter branch of the alternative, arid he aceordiugly trotit himself, sin I ordered the wit nesses to attend at the office of the Secretary of State 1.4 tko Home Departmi nt. It so happened, however. Kat Lord Sidraontli had quitted the otice a few mu sweats before their arrival. He therefore left the (lis p:4.46ons with an Hon. tlentleur:n then in his eye, to he placed in th- hands of Lord Sidrisouth, from whom Le had received an answer, which he would nut read. When such a than as the individual %hunt he had stoma %eta boldy f.oui piddle house to 'public house, and from private hour to private lonise, inciting the people to cutter into plots and consyiracies, it Buret became the nous! of Onarrions to inte7ti2ate, in sot t • way or other, at least that part of the charges against ton which was connected with them-wires. He i•ledecii himself, if tit,- i spiry were gone into, to pro- 1 :Ace such evidence as, unless the man escaped out of Site country, would must assuredly lead to his convic tion. He was perfectly satisfied that the evidence aas aniplv sufficient for that purpose. Under all the tircumstatices to the case, and feeling doubtful as to the exact course which it was most desirable to pur sue, he would either sit down without making any precise motion. The SPEAK RP, however, intimating the propriety s•is the part of the Worthy Alderman, of concluding aos observatioos wit') some motion, Mr. Alderman WOOD moved. " 1 hat Ororgre Ed wards do immediately attend at the liar of this )muse." Mr. BATHURST observed, that the only question for the Bon4o t determine was, whether that which bad been Nt4te.l by the Worthy Alderman call d upon them to %Ake Hp the matter an a breach of privilege. the motbin cb•l 'tot require any other reference to the eircunistslices whi..h had hero described by the Worthy Alderman than thin—;-.olBil those circninst inces be cona:raed into a breach of privilege? really lee besought the House to consider what sod of precedent they would critat.:isii, if they acquiesced in the Worthy Alderman's motion. Here witty tnen, why. according to the Worthy AldifiairTifisCill lefittnift/ctizi-or ra thee, a principle!, in the conspleacy for which several suifortunate persoss. had brffjted. their lives. Ae eor,:in,g to the Worthy Ald^rseen, that man Wag JOO7 Implic ted in the triteu for which those . persons had so rered ; and if the motion were agreed to, he would be called to the Bar to be examined on a charge of haviag committed a breach of privilege, when, if the al e;rationa of the Worthy Alderman were borne out by the fact, he would! be found to Dave conuuitted as overt act of treason I if aarother course could Da adapted in which the case might be fliirlylnvestigated t be would concur in it; but if the W,orthy Alderman really believed that the individual is question had cji i tted the attempt against that House which had described, he would really recommend the Worthy Alderman to withdraw a .motion for calling that inilividu 11 to the Bar, in the supposition that he would there charge himself with each ma offence. Mr. Alderman WOOD reminded the Right Honour. able Gentleman, that he bad impreistld the (Meshy which he felt oa the gm:oAm The Right Hon. Gen tleman said that be would esii i =the favestigaties of the ease , if it were . heeeght illy.shape la which it could with mime mtvaatagit diseassefl. Now be (Mr. Alder. lia W had Wed anether qabtfai to get Myer& proseetiteddifii'br*ltharter be had mooppisiated.--(Hear. heti, 6iails-H• had al. rea dy stated, that he did wt think proper to read the Ulmer which he bad resolved when I. had felt it his duty to carry the ',ideate which had been submitted E SI ATI 'n to hiss, t, Ott otSee of the Hama DietertiOrnt- fle"vra° l 'atria-al, not satsati.d with that ditorminati tn. Several of tte lepatatats were persoas sot at all implicated& tit: late transactions t sod their mrideace w 5, io his opinion, fully su.ficient to amorist the Jo.rsun in qaes• lion. Still, h tower, he tnati ..hima told is sniveler qwirter. that it was nPi SS. although the depstsitsom contained matter. which, of coarse, he had out citsn 'monies sal to the House, bat which would make them shadier if they lo and it. I tic imp essian an his usiod c.:rtiin!) was, that the aceuseal is tom should be taken ap. Cc to.tu it for granted that the get:do:men Grim si.e knew where that person was to he found, and th d be cauid nut es ape. Having Init. in :heir possessi sn— ! having it in their power to bring loitu forward, Le (.r. Alderman Mood) thought they ou.!ht immediately to 1 tie so. He (Mdwards) was eltar c ;ed a ills being the se's .prinstoter of the treasonable cors e ir.,cy so-laio Is had been formed. It was declared to be !Jr& i rictiee to by hold of a:: ilia desperate characters wh o m he otaild find, and. Ito bring theta into his diabolical practices. he (31i. Alderman Woosi) thonolit be (-011%1 safely pledge boo leaf to prove by indispuaible evi.lenre, tha. Edwards 'was the sole plotter and founder of the Cato-et :me tionspiracy. He had discharged his duty by being the *abject under the consideration of the lismet:i After what had (titian tram the Right Hon. Centletuaa ilia should certainly be disposed to withdraw Lie aso tilon. &Ultimata he was not prepared to propose any 1 ..rsu.a ftf coo. se of procerdinl. 1 Mr. ULM ii, as lie understood from the Worthy Al.;i derma ~ that it MU not the intew% n of his Majesty's, Minister* to call the individual iii question to sc. ..csa, considered that the only chance of having the alfairt iorsetigated was by au appeal to the Hausa of caw mons, and timeshare he trusted the Warthy Alderman I would nut withdraw his m o tien. 1 here were two fat - WI which seemed to him to call imperatively fur inquiry. It appeared fruns the deposition, that tits: individual in question slid go frion house to honer, ear:ying Laud Mare and arms ; a nd that no t eight and f or ty h our s before the 23c1 of February, he urged a man of the' name of Chambers to enter into the plot, assuring him! .that all the necessary iustruitienti of lestruction were : perfectly prepared. a lie other tool mato important Act was, that it appeared, that being at one time ; wholly destitute of money, he because a 1 at mice quite Seek, bought quantities of arms and ammunition, and ; famished other means of urging forward the purpmie i of the conspiracy. An iu ,uir ) • by that Muse wcnlsi ' [ elicit what the ends of justice reipi , r,sl to be ilisclomd, namely, by whom the person in sie.sion tool been sup-i plied. It would also ascertain, Wait ism strung:l I suspected to be the case, that the evistence of the plot i was known to many persons befure the time of its pubei lie detection. 'these were points which esitild nut be elucidated in a Court of Justice. .at least, he hoped! that Ministers, who were no doubt In possession of tide individual, would pledge themselves that he should sue ; be permitted to leave the country until some Mewl were taken of coming at the truth; 1e trustod, there- i fore, that the Worthy Alderman would not withdraw his motion unless such a pledge v.-ere given. • Mr. BROUUHAM coots ssed that he withal t 4 Worthy Alderman would take the advice of thellig4 Hen. Uentleman rather than that of his }loss. Friend; and that he would withdraw his motion. Lut be begged to be by no means nn let sts.,..d to job la ant i expression of levity, which, very si.u.Ol to Lis surprise , had been drawn from some I:on , tirable 311'111)(1-s by the grave and extraordinary statements which had been' i made—statements which, in his iiiiitioa, were not at all of a character to provoke laughter. He was cers tainly not disposed to say that :he present was precisely an occasion on which it was lit:;:ii, for Lhe liouse to re sort to the law of privilege; hat, at 'he sa:ae ti:,, if the alleged facts were true, he I oitlil have nu more doubt than he had of his existen• e, C.at it was in cea templation to commit the orcati st breach of privilege, or that which was ten thousand tiairs worse than any breach of privilege—the destruction of one of the Houses of Parliament. 'I Isis w.ts a bran( b cC high treason. if perpetrated, it was 11 the law high trea son ; if plotted, and not ra.rie•l in.° actual exe:ution, it was a high misdemeanour. he Worthy Alderman was in nowise open to ridicule fur calling ou the House to consider that as a breac't of privilege, an in quiry into which, as a higher o 'en( ~ he had been un atilt to procure.—Wben any pr0...n:1 was called to the Bar fur a libel on the House, he %%A vaptired to 141- pate himself. But certainly he di I not o:ink it word be a discreet use of the law of pit ilroe to , a 3 on the individual in question as if lie were .11. r-ly charged I with such an offence as a libel. Rut was its-. act w:th which that person was charges! molting r Was it sat offence? Was he not accused in the itivat d g o s de scribed by th: Worthy Aldrn ean of e n atier a se-1 rictus plat, the abject of whirls was to cone wit h hand 1 granades and other combustible malt rs, ard attack tire Home of Commons when full of Mem:Ars? Good 1 plod ! was that a subject fur rioieule and levity ? When a conspiracy was detested, tbe.paroom of...nik a alatt to throw hand grenades into tie Louses of ali tees. it was held to be high treason, and men lost th.tr Hies for having joined in it. Was the [toms, of Cotatuona 1 to listen with levity and impatience to the tlisclosuri of a similar latestion with respect to theta elves? tie supported the Right Hunourable (temp-maws meommeridatiou to the Worthy Alderman to withdraw his motios, Wens* be did mit think that it was in a It and proper shape; and by no means because he did not think that any thing fns' tter toed be done in' the business. On the font ar . , it appeared , n hint to be extremely material that the House should- taint some 'step to procure the infornieson to which the Worthy Alderman had fornished a clue. And why P because there was evidently no other way of obtaining justice. Bemuse the Worthy Alderman, corretpund ing in his capacity of Magistrate with tine Nettle Lord at the bead of the Home Department. bad laid before, that Noble Lord the evidence which he had described, and bad received from that Noble Lord an answer that It was not deemed proper to bring Edwards to trial at aft. Ho again begged he might not be mistakes. He by no mesas said that it would have been proper to try Edwards for High Treason. Ile by no means said that that man's evidence had not been wise* acted on, or that he himself had not been prudently employed. He dialed the truth of some of the Wirth? , Alderman's statements on the subject. no denied that Rdwaideises the sole iastigator of the Cato-street conspiracy. He balloted that there were other persons at least as - :.s1~iA?~ deeply itrip'..mated. Rut he bel;eved that Edwards,l bating been emrloyed by tioreeneneat as a spy. like oder persons who had on former uccasiurs acted in that capaciti. WAS nut satistkd with merely giving ice formation, and :hat h.: employed Mum:lf in inciting ] persons, already gnilty, into the connuisiion II further: crimes. He by NO means iii.i.cril Government fur cm i ploying Faltrada as a iTy ; or for aeting on his infor-, edition ; or fir wiliholdinlc him as a witness; or fort abstaining frig pr. sectitin4 Lion. For those four! i things he did trot blame thou. As long a such moil lus tv.istleivood and the others existed, tioverumenti were in Iti4 epinhm not on': justified in employine l persons to watch their pro. er , iines, but would be i highly culpable if they he .'ectal to du so. The ne-I cessity for the employment of spies was lamentable ; i hut so was the employnient•of the executioner of the law. .1s ions if eriates continued to be perpetrated, so i bong must they continue to be pnuished. Both taccupa- 1 tions were•dions ; bat in his opinion no man was entitled i to blame Government for employing the odious in-' !former who w.s not prepared to blame them rzetallyi for easploying the odious eneeitiuner. There was, however, one limitation to this doctrine. lie who 1 i employe" s ! ,ies took spun himself a most difficult and Idelicate? and rispottsilde rti;ce. He was deeply an.; strer3loo to the emotttry :mil to the adniinistiation of justice, if he did not take the greatest cart , to select such WM as would ugly give information, and not in stigate to 1:to contsi.Wion of crime. The existence ofl such wretches as Thistles trot and Ings rendered the eniployasent of spies necessary ; but let it be at t'.!e I sante time remembered, that the existence of such %vette hes as Thistlewood and lags rendered the em ploys:eat of instigators to crime equally unnecessary. Ilsvinl explained himself so far, the House would perhaps permit hint to add, that, although he did nut blameGovernuient either for having employed Edwards as a, spy--for having acted on his information—for havihg withdrawn him as a uitness—or, for having abst.tined from pre •rwing him— yet, if it did appear from the evidence now adduced, that that individual west beyond his commission as an info.mer, that he employed himself as an instigator, and that he incited others to the perpetration of a separate and grave of. ; fence, nut comprehended in the acts which 6ad been free recent sus ert of criminal investigation, justice Ovoid sot be iatistied finless he was brought to trial i for suet new and strict:, offence, or unless very ample igrounsieWere stated to the House for waiving such a 1 rOCiediag. i Mr. CANNING said, that whatever might be the I ultimate decision of the House on the subject, wises ther they would determine on entering into the halal. • tivation of it, or not, there was one point on which all must agree, namely, the inutility • f discussing it at a time, and on a 'libation, the decision of whim h could lead :4 n • satisfactory result. The Honourable and Learned Crud. mail stewed to have collected what hr ' (Mr. Cannittr) was sure the House had nut—that 1:1• re was a diN.OSlLititl on the part of some Honour. .able Alembers to treat the whole affair with levity and ridicule. lie dly he ha•l not seen any such disposition. Ha was sue that no sut l• disposition had been tuani `r ad. elthet by Ilimst If or his Honourable Friends about him. As little could he plead guilty to the other ellare.e. of a :•re-dispositiort to accuse the Hun. and Lamed Gentleman of joining the popular cry 'against informer.--u subject on which the Honour-, able and Learned Gentleman had just made the most just and manly I•hserrati••ns. He could assure the 1 Comotrable and &silted Gentleman, that he never entort-ined such a pre-disposition ; and if he had, it must bare been enitrelF removed by the Honourable and Leartvol lienthinsn's candid statement of his opi nion. On that statement, without wishing to add a single word to it, he was perfectly content to rest the defence, not only of the present, ur of any particular' Government, bet of all Governments tbat bad ever ex- isted in this or in any other civilised country, for taking the means which circumstances ren iercd necessary to i defeat, by the prostitution of wicked men, the blots of men es wicked. All that he rose for, was t o su b m it to 1 the IVorthy Alderman, as the motion in its present shape - could not he u•efully discussed, the expediency of not ressim.: it at the prevent time. It would be for the Worthy .lu!errstau to consider whether or not be would brine toe subject again before the House in acme other form. On the expediency, or inexpediency of siteNa proceeding, he (Mr. Canning) would not ven ture to offer any opinion. lie only entreated the Hou.:e nut to enter ilfto a discussion wholiy unneces sary at the present moment, and from which nu bent-- , halal result cunt; by possibility ensue. Mr. Ablerman WI/OD expressed his willingness to wi;hdraw his Lion. Ile begged, however, to say, that he tilcu , %ht in the manner in which he introdneed it, that he had ay.,i•led any thing ;astly exceptionable. He Ltd altstain^d from reading the deposition, for he should be sorry that the dreadful allegatiunswhich it con tained fiholid a! present go forth to the world ; and he .bad tim i efore (*fined himself to a dacriptioa of tbs.& rart . fit which Most nearly touched the House. At the present in ment he was not prepared to bring the motion forward in another shape, but he thought he should do at, in the coarse of a day or two, and that he should move for the appointment of a Secret Com mittee to investigate the case. Mr. CANSINO disclaimed any intention of imput ing the slightest blame to the Worthy Alderman. He certainly disagreed with the Worthy Alderman as to the expediency of his motion, but he saw nothing wheterer to criticise in the manner is which it had been brought forward.-1 he Illation was then withdrawn. CIVIL LIST. ....._ ____. On the motion of the CHANCELLOk of the EX CHEQUER, the House resolved itself into a Com mittee on the Civil List Acts. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER, after a very few observations, which the noise that prevailed in the {lonic would not allow us to hear, moored a Re solution that, for the support of his Majesty's Eouse. hold, there be grained. daring his Majesty's life, a revenue of 860,1KN01. fo: limit Britain, and 270,0011/. fur Ireland. Sir H. PARNELL elmsermul, that there was not any th:ax like the extant of haftwmation bolero the House, which was notessuey to Hos. Members to sake up theft minds upon the sabjoet e and to do their duty sir titiie apdatry. Edon the House was called upon to agree to mei litmolatioaa, they ought to be put is pommies of iv* item of the Liyil Liss Expenditure. Maillft...a I i 1 It was a sluestiol which sitekcellent eppa r A . pity for ascertaining, whetbser or n se rt trerchaast practicable. There were atielt such rides, then, that of Burr, for the opi..ion that sin thi, s.r. jict *ollie new arrangements mialit h.. made benefiefal to the public.. 'I his NJ% evickw is thel•e• port of the Finery* tkitu.aittee i in which a sa ,s,, y .f iiiipror:rn• nil rt greeting the Counties Palatine, ! as of 11 airs , Mc. hall been ref:amnestied. • eves intilos.sible that either lie, or any other pe ts " *. could be prepared is. !suddenly to give a roe• on ti.e inut.on. A g rest many I,4sta:swats, although he culled riot at the mornent preelstly indicate them, erre inch I.cnsable to the due an.!c.standing of the merits oft e question ; and if time were a ll otte d, h e would take an opportunity of inovi ig for th, m. th• had &It it his duty to sae a f-tr woe is , th..t it ittit ; ht not be supposed that he hail cotuusittetl h opt the question. The CIIANCh:LL'iIt of the EXClll.4tritit (u Ire owlet-stood the ltigt:t tientletneti) said, that it was arranged WI a former OCC:l3j,.ry li.at the debate on the question should not take plate on the pr em . motion. tie had titer:l:ore abstained t*.. st entering Lao any details. Colonel PAVIES exrr..s•t-d his surprise at the pre. sent proposition. The p viectrd Civil List was. as be understood. to I e founded un that of /116. At that period it was 1,604),1P Uf. S'inee thee, tioworr, then had bets various reductions of expence•-th e *i w g, w , Establishment, the st.lary of the last**, be. Ti m lion. tient:tau:in eras i.ro;:eediug ei . h hit statement*. when 'I he CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER re marked, that the deductions allu:LeJ tu were actual!! Co:onel DAVIES observed that his error pn.vsrl th e oeees,ity of dela y , in order tLt :Le subject slight It thoroughly understood. Mr.i..',INIVI6 adverted to the general narlerstaad log, fi,untled on the proposition of the Right Hoe. Gentleman opirusi:e, that the Resolutions sboald passed without dissuasion, and that the debate should be taken on the Report. He was aware that, striellv speaking. no one 3leniber of that House uas bound by the act of another; but if some cotnert of that kind were not eat. l there would be an end to all those scesmimodasiona ..nlar. - angenieutswhi t h had hitherto been ftrund so useful in t 4 furtheradwe of public business. If it was the praaure of the Roast to debate the i g uestion at prer.ewt, he had outlook du his Right Hun. Friend was qs:te prepared to eater into an explanation of the subject. _ . _ _ 31r. ;admitted that he had sewed is postpone the discussion of the sulfrject until the Kr port ; but he owned that he had expected the Itislit Hon. Gentleman would nevertheless preface his Rese lutioes with some explinatio , i. He wished at least to ask what were the deductions from the Civil List of 1816 ? Were there to be n., other dedectioes than the Windsor Establishment, the Privy Purse, and the expence of the Castor ? The CHANCELLOR of the BXCHEQCER'S re ply was nearly luau ELI... We believe the Right How Gentleman said that the !unit saying, as compared with the Civil List of I sl6, would be 130.001 k with the exceptive of Mat swell pensions to his late ty's servints. Mr. lERN) Y Insole row inquiry respecting the 53,00 U/. per antssuu which had been allowed to het late Majesty. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCREQrEit gl owered, that that was char,zed on the ConMlislated Fund, and not on the Cis l.ist. Mr. firliClssom and Mr. reser exrbanged arrow the table s.verat °briers- , tions on 6e subjeet. Lord A. 11A3IILTON felt it necessary, at this stage of the proceedings, for Ministers to state in whit manner her Majesty the Qneen was to be provided for, and from what 'art of the Civil List that proyiehm was to be made. her Al.sjesty had at this moment mho Provision for her support, awl he wished to know how long she was to reutaio in that situation ? him het his intention to provcke a discussion, as it bad been previously untletrloutl, tl..tt mote was to take plate in this stage of the procredines; hat if he was to let 64 opportunity of offering hi• oidnions escape, he would perhaps be precluded f u.n o fering them on the bring ing up of th • !report.—(Fries of no, no!)—If the us derstanding was, trot there would be a full diseussioa un the Report, he should nut trespass farther at ire sent : but he hoped tl.at on the next stage he sheeid have the intlule.o.re of . 1 1:. Hons.., while he statedthat which he we.; at 71••••;•,.. precluded Limn doinf as this part of the quesh ti. Mr. CANNING that the Noble Lord 'veld find the tint•,:i.to open, n;.t. only in point of form, but to the fullest extent, for discussion in all its details. lie wishes! it at the same :ink! to be andmtuusi, that the present proceeding did not originate with Ministers. It might he a wise regulation, or so unwise oat, bolt it was adop , ed as a ;tatter of courtesy, is cesspits** with the request el souse cicusieuma ol ossis44, and this being the case, it would be rather unfair to call twos the Right !lot the Chancellor of the ischelosr to e :ter at once •I ion a disci' Sion tv:.ich be tad coo 'Dented to po.tpore. After a len , %%Dr.'s from Lord A. Mattoon, The (.'HANI F.i.lAtli of the EXCHIQUIII raid, that, to prevent mittakes, lie wished it to be miler. stood, that heretofore the provision for the Owes bd been provided for out of the Cmsolidated Feeds 11l a separate Act of Parliment ; but that Act hosing ma ed, her situation and provis.on would bs brosibteekr the consideration of the Howe. Mr. HUME said, he a ould not hare inquired no!tbe present occasion, were it not that be felt himissillser fectly free fr,ru an arrangement made ee this 'abject in any other quarter. lhe Hon. Member tenor M " state, that the present Civil List was to be es dm low del of that of I m Ili. When in that yesr se Ilia° the Civil List was proposed, it was obiselsdle so the ground of a previous arraag, meat with the Crow.; and it was ea'd that a new reign would It the 'err time for it. 't hat time was now mom mid he Wei the House would avail itself of it. Them breaches et the revenue which arose from the Stretch hassithlnty ' revenue (amounting to nearly 94,0044. the MO. of the Admiralty, and the sums received from Oilltd,it and the Colonies, required partieelar inresdgalsee ea their pate. Besides, be was skew that the Civil List, as it was new prep•■•-• was a most extravagant one. By the 16th of Omer 1 I