The Statesman. — London, England, 1815-06-13 00:00:00

4 50 , V P F : I ^'IJ 1 :% E . TILE STATESMAN. _. 1:, exertions of Russia were made in a common cause;lsaine nature had take's place, and at last the Admi - sion, tha t i t a pp eared from the books at Lloyd's, the Common Council, to suletilute instead of that bet let it be recollected that the exerti,is of Russia rah.) begait to find it necessary to construct and man that the number of captures last year in the Eu- body, the Members for the City, for Westminster, frieees in such ii riteistierees to enable thodi so tripe ropeati seas. as far as the Canaries, ampuoted to 1.7 e. and the four adjoining counties. had ;one much beyond what was necessary for her own security. After the enemy had been driven wiiii the Amelicans‘ . Afierethie tits djeasters bed Of, the •the whole tiugeber of coasters ceptured The Committee divided, fallen Non the %roller yeasellof *alio great num-. wig lla wiile,of ranntisst ships, and those that d. - F..r 'h.-Amendment - 15 from her own territory, and at a time when she A g ainst it - b 2 night hare made peace with much less dancer than tow of wiiich liad'beeti built, but ' of so bad a• con- started convoy, (he number was 91. 'The feet was , MAority - —47 any other Power in Europe, she still continued, in struction that hot one of them was su ffi cient to an- that many captains of inerchanimen, on hearieg of The Committee proceeded to go through the re. spite of the deranged state of her finances, to make safer itrgierpti4ll, turd thirs, •beeit4es , eire wither vies. • the termination of lowatilities with France, ventured meeting clauses. I chiefs which followed, about ;00,0001. wao,thrown a eon without convoy. This was peculiarly the case Mr. exertions chiefly in favour of the rest of Europe, H. SUMNER observed, that it would be such as had never been surpassed by any nation in away . One of these vessels was commanded by a with those from the Mediterranean ; and off Cape proper to restrict the power of purchasing buildin gs , the world. True, this country, too, had made its Captain who had been dismissed under the sentence St. Vincent's they were exposed to American priva- i which was now given to the public for five years. eVorlionV, iiel had entlorerf its burdens. No one lof a Court-Martial, late!' brought under their Lord- teers. lie could add, that the report of several He thought they should be - obliged to decide ire 18 cote.l be more sensible than he was how much this ships' coosidetatioti by a Noble Earl near him (Earl of captures, which appeared iii the newspapers, was m o nths what buildings or ground they would Irm o_ i Egliionii),and it was on l y b y xertions an the ed skill was the case. The satiation which he held necess of totally unfounded. Of this description was that of chase, and to complete the purchase within-• six Officer that this yes-el had been made capable of a vessel said to betaken in Dublin Bay, and also the months after. sariiy gave him the means of being peculiarly able to this ' i l Sailing at all, o r tieing tit for any tiling. She had, reported capture of the Blazer gun-brig off the Mr. GOI appreciate the burdens and privations to which the WON observed, that there was no clause I however, been made the best of all the ships of that coast of Ireland, The next topic to which he in the Bill to insure the competition of architects in nation was exposed ; but it ought never to be for i description, 'solely by the exertions of that Officer, should briefly :advert, was the conduct of the war preparing estimates. gotten., that dering the whole of this eventful strug he hoped, was now restored by the Admiralty, on the lakes of America. The Nettle Lord asserted, The CHANCE gle this favoured country had never been the scene ,who, LLOR of the EXCHEQUER. l ' and brought forward in a manner suited to his merits. that our disasters there arose from inadequate sup- said, that it was for the Treasury to procure a plan by .of foreigii invasion.. It had at least escaped that Besides the loss of ships and men occasioned by this plies ; but perhaps there was no one ci rcumstance c om p etition between the nichitects, but he did n o t dreadful devastation—those tremendous c alamities j i system of the Admiralty, another consequence bad m ore sur p risiu g than the extent of the naval exer- intend to propose the insertion of a clause to that d olt!' alert , the progress of the invader must ha v e i been, that our commerce eat; not sufficiently pro. Bons that were made in that quarter. For every feet in the Bi ll. Before Parliament met again, it beett attinided ; and when we looked at the exerti on s and secrific , e of Ruesia as compared with our owns ! tectetiv and iu this point of view likewise the subject seaman, shipwright, cable, and every other article of might be in the power of the Government to select ' well merited their Lordships' attention.—The military equipment, sent out from this country, the the plan and submit it to the House. let us consider what would have been the situation • ot this country if b great part of it had been occupied ; diegsters on the Lakes had also arisen from the same Americans could with facility supply double the nom- ! Mr . 11. SUMNER thought that the House should by the enemy ; if our territory had been ravaged, ! system of inismanagemeitt. He had before called their her ; and yet the war ended with an acknowledged see the plait and estimate before the • money was and London had been laid in ashes! He was well ' Lordships' attention to Capt. Barclay, and the other superiority On our part un the principal Lake-a Toted, aware of the efforts which this country had ma d e — l misfortunes on the Lakes, and ;it was only by the superiority so decided that the enemy durst not yen- j Mr. BUTFERWORTH observed, that a fair esti. of the borthens which it had endued--of the privs. 1 supplies sent by th e s hip s f rom th e coas t o f Sp a i n tore to come nut to meet us. The Noble Lord had mate founded on the size of the proposed area, had tions.whieli it had suffered during the period which , that the eventual superiority of the squadron under insinuated, that desertion hind bitterly increased in beets given in. Sir James Yen had been secure d .. Bat the previous the British navy , from the moral e ff ects of American ; Mr. BANKES thought the proposed the Noble Earl hurl mentioeed ; hut it was a mostarea was ' disasters might hate been prevented by proper ma- success. 11! , woul d utterly deny the assertion; for 1 muc hiarger than necessary. erroneous view of the subject to look at it in that light merely. This country had, indeed, ma d e ex .! nagentent and promptitude on the port of the Ad- the fact was, that desertion had greatly decreased ; : Mr. H. SUMNER stated, that no precise plan of ertions, and suffered much and severe pri v a tions ; • milaity, A s t o th e m ilit ar y operations, the character and it was a circumstance most honourable to the the proposed builclieg had eser been laid before the but let the effect of these exertions and privations be of the army had in general been there well main. : character of British seameu, that it was almost un- Select Committee, and that he was, therefore, as well also taken into Recount—Wear, hear !] —To what tained. But one serious disaster had happened there, known on the Lakes, where tsey were ettenged'in aas from other reasons, led to suspect that an abomi. did wi owe our present slate of comparative security too (we understood him to refer to the attack on sPreies of service the most iaisorious and anxious, 'table job was in contemplation to erect residences and prosperity—to what did we owe the preset vation - New Orleans), by which he was surprised to find so without hope of prize-money, and e here strong en_ for individuals at the public !saneness: It was indeed eseu of our existence ? When we looked, therefore, little attention excited. With respect to the con. ' couineements t o desertion h a d b eet , h e ld 'out by the alleged in the Committee, that it was material to hare at our hurthens, let it not be forgotten that to our struction of the 'ships, and this system of mismanage . - enemy. If any one-circumstance had more than an- all the main offices on the ground-floor, and then how patient endurance of these burthens, to our perse- meat he particularly called their Lordships' atom. other engaged the attention of the Board of . Ada& were the other stories of the new Post-Office to be toeing exertions, we owed the comparative, security tion to the moral effect produced o n the minds of the ' rally for y ears p a r, it was th a t c :e seam e n should disposed of, unless for the accommodation of Wiel and prosperity, probably the salvation of the coon- seamen. This was a slitjr,ct which deserved the most I have no just ground of complaint as. to their tr eat- duals ? In this the job consisted, and the purpose tiy.—Plear. hear-ll —Considering, then, the vast serious attention, and one which imeeriousle de- meat ; and he would venture to say that there was W as studiously concealed by the City projectors of exerlions of Russia beyond her own territory, the manded investigation and enquiry. The Noble Lord not a seaman in the navy that was worth his victuals, this extraordinarymeasure. The lion. Member also great advantage which we derived from these exer- then proceeded to observe, dist upon the greatness I who %snubd assert the contrary..• The Noble Lord animadverted upon the clause providing for the.con tions, and the stated the Russian finances, he would of this country as a naval power, its very mistetate next proceeded to make a variety of obtervations on struction of a sewer, which ought not to be defrayed confidently subunit to their Lordships' and the corm- dependid. Ile feared that if the war now corn. the state of the dock-yards, in the course of which out of the public fund, unless so far as the new build. try, that the engagement of Ministers was fully jug- meueed continued for any length of time, discus- he said that there was now a constant supply' f well- ing was concerned, but, as usual on other occasions, tified by the soundest views of policy and expediency, sions on naval questions would again arise with seasoned timber for the purpose of ship building, ' out of the funds of the parish. Ile admitted that it was not a claim of strict and America, the consequence of which would probably 1 and that no necessity now existed for resorting to! Mr. LUSIIINGTON and Mr. Alderman AT. rigid justice, but an appeal to the liberality of this be another war with that country; If this took the merchants' yards. lie concluded by opposing KINS vindicated the measure, in reply to the last country ; but he trusted their Lordships and the na. place, it would be most important to revise the state his negative to the evesent motion. ! Speaker, protesting against The use of the word job, tine at large would concur with the Government in of the naval management and proceedings in this Lord ROLLF, rcse to express his opinion that a. which was in this iiietance totally inapplicable. thinking that it was an appeal which, under the cir. country. The Noble Lord next adverted to the weaker case had rigger been brought before the Upon the proposition of the clause that 240.0001. cuinstatices, merited the most favourable attention great number of ships in comini•sion, which afforded House, particularly as contrasted with the vo- should be voted for the erection of the new building, and consideration. With respect to the stuns to be a great deal of patronage to Ministers, while they I luminous mass of papers that had been moved for in ; Mr. H. SUMNER, after the whole city had been advanced to Holland, their Lordships would observe were of very little real sei vice to the country. In support of it. He could assure the Noble Mover , _ thrown into consternation by the amount of the loan that only 'we millions were to he paid at peeee „t, _ this respect .he instanced the great number of 113 that he should never vote for his being made -first required for the public service, expressed Ids sur. The-Noble Eat! had said that the money expended sloops of v% ar its commission, no less than 73 of Lord of the Admiralty. pike that a proposition of this natere ! should be en the frontier fortresses was thrown away ; but in witieli were under 16 .guns, and therefore of little • The Karl of DARNLEV replied ; after which his brought forward to augmeet the public expenditure. that respect his opinion was widely ditieretst from use for the protection of our trade, while they re. motion was put. and negatived. I He for one did not disapprove of the . amount of the that of this most eminent teilitary chmacters; and on squired ahem IWO seamen to man theca. We un- The Bills en the table were then passed through loan, because he thought it necessary, and hailed it a former occasion it had been urged with consider- derstood the Noble Lord its conclusion to express his their various stages, and the House adjourned. ;as an indication of the resolute purpose of the Mi. erre that this was by far the cheapest mo de in rr gt et, that the ad sauced state of the Session did not _____._ __._ _ _ I 'lister, to make a great effort for the attainment of a able ( which the great interests which this count , y ha d in leave sulficient time for the 'louse to enter into ally ' lIOUSE OF COMMONS. ! great object, in the prosecution of a just war; but the protectioa of the Neteerlands could be si eured. befirftri•ll enquiry, "I •tii respect t o the condect f 0 - Mr. IlOn \En a live notice that on Yeneliev next he would he disapproved of, the present motion, because time' the Naval Administration, end he should therefore 'I lie expellee of one campaign to repair the mischief i m i i e rv ii e : f t: ..r le r c' l c 1 1 i ., 0 b h e t ia ,ze i in a .1!,,i11 Ju n e' to arn i en n it the , j e altvi r e g aining; sum stated was o f an amount that could not be ne that might result from the want of these fortresses conclude eith moving that the House do now ad- Tae (.rather 11-ii . 111 1 11 i tl'ir..e , bis elanin r iiie . e. • : cessary to grant at once, even admitting the propriety would he greater than that as Itich mould be requited jowls. Th.• lul,h Paper Dilly Bill, and the Iris! , Excise Licences of erecting a new Posl- Office . FOP, from the pro. , to put the whale of the frontiers in a complete state Lott! MELVILLE said, he should leave it to the ' R tes .' rt r e e .,.`, e iT d .,o 'l l i l; ii ii t c h t e t ili r e el ' • l e r V a t;: e4 4w . eet Wiret &e, in Ire- press which such a building was likely to make, it of defence. This, therefore, was an expence which , House to decide whether the Noble Lu rd . had : made ewe, ems hem& tip. The Itcsolutiow were agree' d tee, an d a would be quite enough in the first iustance to vote was watranted by every consideration of bound po . ! out a grave case against . the Naval Admitnetration of Bill ordered. for 40,0001. at the utmost. licv, and even of an enlightened economy. With ' the 'country, and should content himself eith no_ • Sir TeME' 'IIIW NEW POST-OFFICE. .S S i moved the further consider*. said The CH INCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER e regard to the colonies, they were in many respects tieing only a few of the most prominent topics of lion of , , that although it was thought propt)r at mice to the Report on the Post-office Bill. He then ' of great importance to this country, but particularly the speech they moved that it be re-commilted. so in this view—that th e y were in a great measure brought against the Admiralty was, that of neglect _ I tlie House, it did not follow that the whole would be ..ten the question that the Speaker leave the Chair, cultivated by British capital. Without going further in not fi tting out a class of vessels able to cope with _ Mr. HOLM E SUMNER entered into. the details i at once granted. Into the subject at present, lie trusted their Lord- those of America. With regard to this lie would On this clause a division took place. he of the Bill, repeating the various aretimeets he used ships would lie of opinion that the !Ministers of Go- observe, that it had always been the system of t h e p the pievious stages, particularly those which re- For the ci :the After some further conversation, in which Mr. vernment had not departed froth the line of their British Admiralty to adapt our ships to the nature hated t the misapplication 0 .• Fund ,; o duty, but had upon a sound view of the whole cis. of those with which they had to contend ; but it the Alderman Atkins, Mr. Gordon, Mr. 11. Sumner, re p u rp ose of building a New Post-Office. lie re- cumstances of the case, acted in the manner best cal- could not he supposed that the whole system f o our and Mr. 'sushi() t tookpart, •Hly with g on, a ()spew - et a marked upon the conduct of the Collector of the culated to promote the permanent interests of the Navy could at mice be changed in ceder to me D u ties miter, iii con respect to a clause proposed by Mr. Su • upon Coals for that Fund, and' recommended few American frigates of a larger size than any yes-sequence of a Petition from certain occupiers of country. Earl GREY repeated, that the expenditure upon eels that had ever gone under that nam e . The • fact that the maiingement of it should he taken out of the heeds of the II M ...or( . ayor arid Alt' houses upon the scite of the new Post-Office which the defences of the frontiers of the Netherlands was was, that the Admiralty bad fitted out two or three. , • , ume" of London disuse was withdrawn, the Committee . wi;iiit ' hiough and that it stiould be regulated in the same way as the absolutely useless, and that the money was as much vessels of ibis class, hut it was impossible to.cover rum, for the ..,, the several clauses of the Bill. The Howie resumed, I the Repair of 11estinitister Midge. • the seas with them, so us to meet the American yes-and the Report was ordered to be brought up to lost as if it had been thrown into the sea. Sir J. SU A W vindicated the mode in which the NAVA!. ADMINISTRATION. sets wherever they were to be found. With regard morrow. Orphans' Fund had been and went into Earl DARNLEY rose, pursuant to unties', to call to the Noble Lord's statement as to the deficiency of , i . eta . his . managed, TREATY WITH HOLLAND. several ,•, , , I ils to prove assertions. the attention of the House to the subject of the Na- the Java'. v complement, it was the first time he had . Lord CAST LER.EAG II moved, that the Treaty Mr. GRENE ELL also justi fi ed the conduct of sal Administration of the Country, respecting Which ever heard of it, and he believed it to be totally on- bet e pen this - country 'and the Sbvereign of the the C it y • tlii the in s respect, insisting that t h e trouble of numerous documents haul been laid on their Lord. founded. With regard to the capture of that fiigate,Netherlands should be referred .to a Committee of senior Alderman , who held the office of Col• ships' table. The naval disasters which we had sus- lie thought it no disge.ce itt a shirt of inferior force - she whole House. .. . lector of the Duties for the Orphans' Fund, was ; • tailied at the commencement of the American war being obliged to yield to another that was greatly its rite House then ,rent into a Committee, when had first induced him to call their Lordships' atten. superior. The same general observation was eppli- scarcely adequately remit i terated by the allowance of 1 j Lord CASTLEREAGH rose.—ln calling the at had to the subject, and though that war had now cable to the capture of some of our sloops of.war. a which small salftry of . aboutt in thepound, the whole , tendon of the Committee to this importfint question, of „.W. w . as_giv , eit . to th e . D u t y . terminated, yet the matter was still worthy of atten- 'nue Americans had three or four heavy vessels of lite should endeavour eo furnish them with every pos. Sir C L ILI'S. with Warmth repelled the asser tion with a view to the copies( in which we were at this class, and it so happened that they fell in with Bible explairation; and should be happy to find that Suniner, respec ti ng the present engaged, or any future c o n t e st with America. some British sloops of inferior size, when the result ti;','” ? f Mr. Holme °'lsaPe . they concurred frith him in opinion as to the p olic y --s[Lned Rolle here interrupted Isord Darnley, we of the contest was unfortunate. But the Neible•• p . icatrii and mismanagement of the Orphans' ,which this country had thought proper to adopt. la um could not understand for what realms.] lie trusted Lord had not adverted to the captures of Americce 1. ' looking at this great and %weighty subject, he felt Mr. BARING admitted the honourable conduct • I that as tong as he said nothing disorderly, or disre- merchantmen and men of war by the British Nevy,. , the City, . persuaded, that . the Committee would go along wee spectful to the Noble Lord or the House, he should by which their commerce bad beets almost annihilated, ' o . but . felt abet upon Sc against • • •• • • protest e him in rejoicing at the resurrection of that most in be allowed to proceed without interruption. The, and by which the honour of the British dog had beets , the ittinecessary expenditure of yublic enemy for the teresting part of Europe. The auspicious momerit erection of a new Post-Office. Ile opposed the all disasters at the beginning of the war had fallen out upheld. The Noble Lord complained that adequate ' in ettich she was delivered from the iron yoke of the our frigates, subsequently upon our smaller ships of attention had not been paid to skill in 6hiphbaiiiiing : plication of the Orphans' Fund, which was in fact a enemy must be contemplated with one general fee!. war ; and these disasters had arisen partly from the by the British Admiralty. This, it might be said, • tax raised on all Isoteloti and its vicinity for purposes jug. if he was right in these sentiments, he In defective construction of our ships, partly from the however, that this country had become the first naval f . horn which the City alone would reap rely benefit. the - Committee would agree to the proposition he !thought, also, the Bill oltjectionable in a public ; mintier in which they were manned. Our ships were Power in the world, and that no nation cou ld sen d ll should submit to them. The first charee lie should generally built upon the French model, with ante- to sea and keep at sea the same number of valuable point of view fur 250,0001. w0u1d be paid by the , have to propose was with regard to Seecten,—llle public, l ' mh e was convinced that the whole expense rations by ourselves, urn no uniform plan; so that land useful ships. From the number of our distant Id wou not he less than 6 or 700,0001., besides that these alterations in the plan were usually for the t settlements it was absolutely necessary that we should the fortificatlou of tbe Nethetlands,—and the third part of which the City of London would defray. worse, though the workmanship was better : but ow-1 have large and roomy ships, capable of great' The measures of this kind—Regency parks, new fug to this defect of construction the British Navy stowage, and of keeping the sea for a long Holland and this country in equeleshares„ fty the streets, and stew offices, indicated a p rofusion which • 'was more powerful in appearance than in reality : 1 time ; we could not, therefore, generally imi • freely welt Sweden the island of Guadeloupe was this was a point which called for the most serious at- tate the light American schooners, that were Cal- nothing but .f the most flourishing state of the 1 reaeurY to be ceded in a conditional manner, arid though lute' jus iy. All expenditure which was nee ebso. tension. The American frigates were so vastly su- culated rather for expedition than for those purposes there was no positive engagement by which we were tely necessary should he deferred to times when Airier at the begiesing of the war with America, to which our navy must generally he applied.— ° 1 actually bound, it was always understood that a Ideficiency should were fewer calls for the public money. II • • • both in point ortiatistruction and numbers and di- Measures haul been . adopted to remedy that pecuniary coast( eration was to fleecy of met', that it was almost physically impos- ;in ship - building -boildin skill which had been complained of, move as an Ame, d •t-inent, that the Bill he coo- Sweden ill case we should find it more desirable not all m ilt e d this day three mouths. ' sible for our frigates successfully to cope with them , :'and he trusted that they would soon remove a to give up Guadeloupe. As soon es the war was - . Mr. H. SUM NER and Sir J. SIIA W explained.r the and his Lordship particularly adverted to the case of I ground of complaint. The Noble Lord nexradvert- , conclu ded, eil it was agreed on the part o. d ' sord COMPTON wished to be understood, that the Java frigate, whose Captain, a man of the most led to the complaints of the inadequate protection byi . Allies that France should • powerfulnation, it remain s distineuished merit, had declared before her sailing of our trade, which he contended to be without vexing for the Committee, he did not admit of the soon became ()view that miens France had Guaea eserit application or administration of the Orphans' ' c ou ld n o t p ossess colonies that her condition was such, that in case he met with foundation. They had heard of American price- Pr lou pe restored to he r, she not possess d F und . an American frigate his ship must inevitably be taken. leers infesting our coasts, and committing rl e pre Ft.sufficient to maintain her in that strength which was e then divided, The Hoese• if Her conditioo, and the way in which she was manned,. (ions even in our creeks and harbours. He W ould F..r she Amendment, , • land cf folly jostified that opinion. A sense of du t y , how- assert that the complain's on this head were grossly j A ga i nst i t . :15 85 Sweden, therefore, gave up her claim to the is ever, hod led her Captain to makes desperate effort exaggerated ; and when the merchants f who made i Majority • —5O Guadeloupe, it was thought but fair and reasoail,:e Nt Viler defence; but the negligence and misconduct them were asked for their authority, they could House then went into the ComMittee. that she should receive an equivalent in tneoey. • .• of the Admiralty had rendered all the efforts of va. sign no other but that of. newspaper reports. He Mr. IL SUMNER proposed an amendment to the to the second point, he had no hesitatioil in see.. • • •nt i.,_ss.•' • I skill unveiling. - Repeated disasters of thee would repeat what he had stated op a former occa. clause whi ch vested the management of the fundi in that he wae convinced that in every poi. leer ate .. ~~. ~` Fr- i; , I ' 4 1 1 1