The Statesman. — London, England, 1821-04-18 00:00:00

srar' for 'Or Se" ill W. . e'r it v"' 46 Ow' In 0. he rf ' V'd. - IkIrRSMAW, f Beer. Alt even at thistooment there was& great si v a, r ; in this country. True, tberewas some . fitieriv of speech left, owing to the spirit of the people, het it was no• tree that there was as much liberty here as ia America 1t was slso true that there were slaves in America, bn those slaves were brought fn under the Govern. el em. (In a late occasion, the United State* refused fa. ut i. 7A a n ew state with the Union ntiless they totalla abolished slavery in that state. The question of Reform did not depend upon precedents, -and the representation Ai the people onght to keep pace with the improvements which were taking place in the human mind. He was sore sooner or later that this question would be carried. Mr. ARERCRO3IIIIE supported the motior though with amsiderable qualifications. He thonelit changes !night hr safety made in the Constitutiou, fir the Ulm -titation was in itself hut a series of continue,' inner ,vations. He was, however, an enemy to that sweeping whirls would strike at the fundamental parts of the Constitution.—(Hear.) Such a plan of Reforto -.mild be more like a Revolution. If it was acted upon •it would entirely abolish the noose of Lords. The in -sttence of the Crown had increased in this House, and :herefore he thought the influence of the people ought 1.) receive an addition. In the same proportion that one t.ncreased, so a °old he encrease the other, hot no more loan that. lie thought three years too short for Par •illitents, anal seven veers ton long. lie would never onsent to triennial Parliaments hut on condition that the duration of elections was shortened, and their es. eer.se dititini•hed. If elections were still as expensive as they nose were, and to recur every three years, they would serve ratter to en crease the power of the Cro w than of the people. Mr. F. PAIAIER said, no change bad taken place in epiolons respectiii6 the necessity of a luil Reform in this House. Mr. S. Wt ORTI.F.Y Was disposed to give the How Mower of this q uestion every credit fu; the wanner in sr .1 o •to he introdueell it. Ile Lizrerd n ith that lion. Attlwr, ti. lit there Is ere many tiettiletreti returned here by the influence of other persons, anti that many more .sere placed here by ss hat he called the zorritption of rower. Ihst be would not he carried earl; to the times of Henry tie Sixth, to ire what the Constitute it %a<. Its would not stop at that period slit n the disputes be*to hetweett this !loose and the Cro , n. The ilutt•e of 4.onumins WAS now %hat it was in those tittles. Corte C a stle and Ohl Sarno' were never in a different s:ott4ii lion Irmo what they were at present. The representa tion as it was now, eta- necessary tor the quiet of the country. lii' eutite:r.le , i, that if Ilits I: ,1 1 1 •;e Was tow 1111103 r, there wonla he an end to the I ion , e of Lords. (hose a leorees of sweeping' Reform %%ere only cairn- I tied for a limi. Nionareliv, net.* the Crown wouhl bier no power at 'ill 'lite influence °lithe Peers so wucb co!! p'xined of, was in the highest decree necessary to nut Constitittion. But it was said innovations were nestle i t the t'onstitntino trout time to time. This was trite, but at present the only question was, whether or mot the t;onstilittion could he improved by as innovati tn. Be t.t.tught this House the must proper pl.tee for dieen ;up; the que , tion of Reforms. It was nut a fit sultitet fete publ'e meetings. He wished the (location was d.s. cussed user and over again, and be or , sore the pe pie wool.' moot be tired •* r f rat. If the dehatt sof thil night went to the public, they waled go far to c Silent the istilslie feeling on tkis subject, lint it sq., cattielaitostl that this flutist. was deaf to the complaint , of the ',envie. Ile ulid not quarrel with the House fir that insensilii lit) ; for whenever a subject agitated rig public mind, the il!cision of this House quieted the Waleiteren cape& ti .0 was brought de of this moor" against • ibis ' chiles of tlisloralty `heaped open them by that Hod. tientkman. He held in his hand an aceonnt of icarions divisions that bad taken place in that House, bat at that late hoar would tuly quote two, to prove the necessity of Reform, and hoth occurred within this present Session. The first was on the motion of the Marqness of Tavistock, a hen the numbers were 179 against 324; of the former, 99 were returned for counties or populous places; while of the 324, only 79 were of the latter description. rite second instance was that on the subject of the Army Estimates. The Hon. Member concluded by saying lie would support the motion. Mr. HON ETITOOD said, that although he should vote for going into a Committee, yet he should not piedre himself to support all his Hon. Friend's pro positions. Mr. VANSITTART then rose and moved, that the farther discussion of the question be adjourned to to morrow (this day), which was carried. The other orders of the day were then tli-posed ' and the House adjourned at half-past one o'clock. Isrammemolt" o ". ,---.. •ails of the question, and wisliell not to detain those • imusett of his life' he should persevere la 'doh% Noble Lards who were better qualified to take an es. duty; and be considered it a part of lids deity to op paasive view of the subject, be shonld only repeat, that pose ibis Bill. If any Hill was to be passed. it must his opposition to the Bia arose from principles which be be one altogether diffeeent from this. It had been . had eiulaarel ever since he had been able to judge for lot to oppose every measure of this. kind, whenever himself, and which he hoped to maintain to the lest day such had been pros used. Ile bad always objected ' of his life. any Committee fur considering R oman Catholic claims. because he never would hold out any hopes to Catholics The Karl of DARNLEY felt the deepest regret at which were not likely to be realised. When he talks having had the misfortune of hearing what had just of Catholics, he meant his Majesty's subjects profess been delivered by the Heir Appsrent to the Crown. He ing the Roman Catholic religion. There was no mat was not surprised, however, at the sentiments expressed who r. treed more than be did the mem or y of the Lite by that Illustrious Individual, however he mi g ht re g ret Hr. Pitt ; but unless that great man could satisfy hie them ; but he could out help feeling some astonishment , • vits_ at secu ri t ies were to be given to the Protest at those delivere Iby souse of the Noble Lords opposite, Church, he never could agree with him in any pi& and particularly at the speech of the Noble Lord who •-ie had formed fur estettiling privileges to Roman had moved the Atnenilment yesterday. The line of ar- tholics. It was his opinion that one of the first du gnuient pursued by that Noble Earl appeared to him of a Statesman was to take care of the reliwion of completely misplaced ; anti on being asked whether the country. The Government hall adopted th.r pill system of religion that ever existed in any part of speech was not a good one , be could onl y answer, that it might be good, but it shouldhave been spoken a cert . world, and had given toleration and security At , ss , r e time to all sects. He declared that he shun tury ago. It renew..., all those charges made against 'letter c•knsult the interests of religion if he were the Roman Catholics during the irritation produced by say that the Church of England should not be the the calumnious evidence of Titus Oates, and when tahlislied t Lurch, than to pass this Bill; and that a Noble Lord had been applauded in !La' House fur say• would he better to have a worse establishment i ing that lie would not approach aI at hofic woman, nor n o ne at all. The Noble and Learn ed Lord next cm hive a Catholic clog or a Popish cat. The do ctrines the °1 attention of the House to the scenes tha t overt then charged upon the Roman Catholics had over and inthis country previous to the Reformation. WI again been disclaimed on oath he thew, and they bad ibe considered the laws that hail been passed agai elven sufficient proofs that their oaths tt ere to he trusted. the influence of the Church of Rouse, long before fle lead been also astonished to hear a Rev. Prelate state Reformation, he feit the utmost gratitude to the that the Catholics still adhered to the doctrine that no mory of those great men who had• made such surf faith was to be kept with Heretics. Had they not every forts to establish civil and religious liberty in way disclaimed that abominable doctrine? He should land ; and frosts ;hose efforts it would clearly apt', remind those Rev. Prelates of Ike declaration o f S c rip. that the Reformation lived in F'atolaikki even whit,. , lure, that true l Kristian " Charity I.lieveth no evil," was under the dominion of the Itotiii,le Cl i tivdi. 1* and tint it u ;.s against the trite spirit of Christian ri m ., one k.,ust clearly understand what supremacy was, I rity to attrilatte to Roman Catholics a doctrine which it looking into our Statutes. It was 41efiord by an t 1.14 well kstoki n they d repeatedly nd most solemnly of Philip anti Mary, which *eat to degrade the tvl di, laimeil. ll'hen lee ha recalled t.i his a mitid that constel• people at Eatflivi't : and Judge Hale declared 111 !urinary meant the civil as well as spiritual jurit lation of taint arrayed in fat our of the Catholics. When , tines of the power that exercised it. Ti‘e Kum it he recollected a Burke , a Fox, a Iv, Hallam. ox, a I'itt, ' tholics now said they were ready to abjure al Sheridan, a Doming, a ItotiiiVy, a Whitlire.il, and tl.at prculacies, except what regarded spiritual mar illustrious patriot also hail drift atvii a hour life to the a 1 nt lee maintained that the oath was of such a service of his country. irlititr scalier ivotilii live in the as left it entirely with the parties taking it, to dee annals of Ireland. as long as L tatitiiiie it , i.lf could what their allegiance was to he ; in fart, it unit exist, whom he bad lately f ,s t is folliiu rd tic the : matters as thee stood hrforr, anti he wished to grave by the regrets of all parties, at:•1 it 1,0 , 1* 43,4, why the person professing the belief of the Che in the absence of the nighty spirit, suit rear,! d o „. : Ettglatol, sh-m i ti airy a i.reater seretity than th wLen man Catholic. The Legislatu re took care that I to the 1 lace tel their Lordships' iti lihi•r ttlin,s, tints should gi ye as much see why as Roman Ca t he recollec rd that all these great novo con sidered it king William resolved that Protestant liitiwi . an art of jristiite, as well as a !ilea me of s e curity, to have Protestant Goverrinenht I and a solecitii 1.1 recore .iii die Catholics the en j voie nt of their rizltts. in opinion wili the Mus h; fill c iknoklekl at cliff riug had been entered into betwee n the Klutz and t e try, that all 114.11 , 41aa holding public sitnatious , trio".b tr i o , i n dlri!lital and the Iti,rht Rev. Prelates who up e Prot. stanis—that they slionl.l us eke Jrcl e pose.; tee Kill. When alp.. he l oo k e d brfore hens, em s r e i n s' ersnsubstanairtion and kilter Popieb rites. sale wit the least flisting&Cs•nl of his Slojesty's Mi. . 4. u :, le ., a !voratin: the tor„,„"_wiwn he !whe w the the Toleriti..n Art passed in favour of Disk 1 . 7i..(i11i by whom l i e i v .' 5ur ,,,, n 3,0, lee felt eou r deet Orr were °Mtge.! to take the declaration strains tli it sI t; rent a concurrence of talen t ha i l uever drew udi t ' untliall '' .. 15.1 it would b e imPw'sibie to Ps' noire:! before on one point. Thts union was n ot the c"" riliainr Y °lira! " 'as It wit' "I"' without rd. ct of accident t as well might chance he !bought away the -lest mutt UPTI" " ti "" Arts.—The ItiAlsts and the Act of settle — .rut, provided II to It ear created the world. It would never have taken %march should he a l'esitestaat, each 1'r0t.7.1 ? lace lia•I there been no 'remade for the (Onion whit+ nisters. A Protest int ratal.iliqli•iient was tie, --......-- HOUSE OF LORDS.—TrEsoay, Aram 17. The LORD CHANCELLOR presented Petitions , from four different parishes in Leicestershire against the Catholic on the table. Mr. [licit matisoN, from the Comniissioners for build ing New Churches, presented an Account of the en• peuses incurred beyond the provirimis of the 39111 of his late Majesty.—La d on the table. Mr. BROGDEN and others brought up from the C ,tu mons the Irish Judicial Offices !till, and several pri vate Bills, which were read a tirAt time. Petitions against the Catlodie Bill were presented frimi the Corporation of Kendal. in Westut:•rlaml, and from the Ikatiry of lire -on nt.4l several other lleaories The latter by the BiAtrio of St. [LAVA'S. —I .titi on the table. Tile Earl of DONOIIIHMOBE rose to rorrect im pormit mistakes which had inadvertently crept into %011ie of the Reports of what had fattest from him last night. First, when he presented a Petition front the Catholic Warden and the Clergy of flalwar ; and ti hen I.e adverted to the Resolutions of se spectable I ody of Catholics, those of the Comity of Kerry ; in both cases the parties objected to th • part of the Hill which restricted the intercom-le with Rouse, "'terra% tl?? Reports inallc.rtently stated both to he in fay..ur of it.—He was alsa represented At the conclu sion of his si eri•ls, to have stated that he bad uo ob jertion to the veto, whereas the greater part of lOW he 5441 was inten.le.l to reprobate toot testi...llion. as entirely none 33333 ry, and eiri-idereil as a heavy and 'unjust infliction upon them by the Catholic Cl His Lordship added, shut 14014;4 stAn.a”g As Ise slid with the public as the ash orate fur this iii • a s.i., 141 th it House, it was important for him to bas• • the grounds of his argument correctly indersto yct lie felt hittise;f no less hound to state how jlt-t he entertained of the general accuracy of Ow r ports of their Lordships proceedings upon that inwor,ant question. CATHOLIC nil.'.. Tlio 1► .b.r of the Day for reettaist the a Ijottreel pe plc. Wien the Jeio b e ton. .Liu Loose, trry many of those who vicell - the war by Debate bavitaz beets teal. The Dishy et St. DAVID rote to appo,e The mooed .ir Vow delivering in top, tort of the Bill. If the foe -e of ineg-esbenisedul opinions mut isujullices viile4l,an.l if ttei% r: -.x,.11. there be A COMO WO4lOll llOll . lonithi.lp WPM' 1111 for it where a verse from the sisomeasoa te, •reishop , ~. aira.-. ... . ___ tr i.ll.lrawing their cone lenfranc lz , re the llin'sters of remtia of the catholic um. Tit,. co•a-stital,4o of th us __ _ w 'T_ not • ea this judgment of the opponents of the aura- - --- _ _ the cron it. Ile tlenie.l that the patrosaae of Peers conntry, thoggh originally not r a.:lniirrly P•otestant, sure. they at least viewed its dangers throneli a me in the iturnsialis was tallied to peetllliare I,llllln,eg, , flee Act of 1;9:1, fir granting inelulgenci• afn bad been fanned fro n the C•onstii utious Of Clarea.lon ,Bars. 'faith disrortea anal wag &lira their I,llu an Catholics and ulmerveil that this Statute prov. and it IV:15I a ( et that very litany of the Members re downwar.l4, by a eerie% of cheeks riven to th naothority 111111111 for bs.r4/14.11•I were amongst the sweat i..sle, en- What would he the toile lunueili ice effect of the Pius erictest oath to he taken fair the preoretini dent Niendters hi this H e )Ir. P•tt tr. ^f t h e PM'''. 45 ' 1 c" ".""" by l i nt' law s P -04 ' .11 i" th e rise admission to their bin of the Dn'ne of Nor- Rill then her. Church and the State ; but all that proteen hut w h en 1 ,, ' time Of Henry VIII. Since that perohl the ec-lasinti of certai My a f.•ientl to reform in his youth; !Catholic% from the enjoyment of Political power had I , ro not v es o f t he :s e t: ancient families; in the country. , full., t lee earl of Shrewsbury—in all tire or six fere. to be taken au ay hy the became older lie also became wiser. Ile(11r. W.) b d House ; anal I:c aslisal !sow it was possible too much tesnert for the people to abiiil.e them of I become aa integral part of the Constitution. With re- lYis.,l•l their Larilships srrioasn, c ~,:ena s h n t ar ,. a . ,„. ;new that they seloothl, I.y that Act, actin. thr psi% n th hat hut at no period of our hist'', y vestal 1 I Vert to the p er toil!, he object! I tea it, Is valise it nt : would accrue t.• I hurtle a nd State from the , r e- th e R"fflan t:Ati"'tic 1 . ate " it I reh wi s "'h i l existed ther• only by vend...ince. There it ha' "limn that the people hail the return of the po r ter s seem 'Arty to produce the ell.rt wane% the anp- i -n.ration of !melt characters to their rights? It had %thole !louse of Commons'. There were alway• a err- i poter themselves had in view. Th. • seen::: vof nee hero :vise teal that a system ef exclustau has' aiway% than Catholic 1 9 4111 V 1 7 a ; % ._‘ ell i I" the h it neon number of liorongl.s to support t e prentgatives Church of Enalanl con 1•1 never h increase' h e; ; rhino: existe.l., awl eas coeval with flatus ! ' harts itself. ItAl ' hu l e ' t were I ' s " e , 4 ' ll ' l t e 'tlf e , l .' ' 3 " -. r of the t. too to, anal he hoped they would eolith:nit '0 be power to her rival, the I a n v i ls o f It o on Il n o bjected tint lion.. who ''pleated aorta opinions f scant the TIT i n ert to a Lill which was 11:1Iile to gin. le ,t up. Ile condo :ed by voting against the motion. to the with propaed, he..tase the n tth, a. it noir store !. tia—e of Q• tern I:lll..i.eth. 1 hen neared might .he tii r •s• gut a this a i lia of e . '" i i t ; I Lor , s heara any ilia ; front the garter Lor I BURY supported the motion. eaprented his real sentiments. lie 1110:011 to keep it vele .11 le sir c onsitiere,l the P pi‘h rein:inn as' inimical to her Mr. RICHARD MARTIN opposed the motion. ' lse 'nob it. toil •Isimia f a int,. i t ; I nn „i li a" , a nr ::„,., i..ter,ti. sh.. w i. a" __, ~. _ . e . . 1 . - i it' 1 le% ter) ea lea r ; .se it ow to ae, veal to pr .set 3 tiro. that the Rolm I iiis vats' l's favour of Cse Rill. Ile ohjeeted to the Hill. Lord M I LTI/N conceived this tie be the mint hie- s.. it •1" . . .. _ .. etas en ,„ ra ,„„,„,„„;„n.a hy ti er P „ pe. am ! vet ilia slur les of that consi•ry considered it a bison, or i WI .41101 . lft.lllllgell ti le „ ana t privi n ni e ~t th e hose as . portant question that voila come under din•ussi.ll. i n; ef tile Charch. ale I a llowea t h.. n """ ~„ 1. ,• 14 .. itnue.e a Catholic Counsellon trT a Catholic Casestbanaer "' At te"`ie d l" pr anee "ftellloll (Near, In tlitt Ilowte variona deseripion% eel persons ulna :r- . to! oat: upon the a:Obtain: of the Pope as %interior_ The of her beets ana armies? No. •lie iiisl 11. st even ex- Ilse supportess of in however. 114.1.111 rd revel 1 • the Rowan Catholics. sir old have the hook piesentril ; and lie w ,eild say that the anomalous elni- on. tnir • appeared to him a comps...Tr a nosnaty, farit . cant.. the rat India: fr on 1,i11:11K in Pa t do nen!. n railer of the Ilogse which Isis Hon. Friend lioyea 1,, I Nonl.! permit profesaort of a WiCinn. the iloginas of the Test Ad. pigLett in the reifies of Cn e rtr. IL A pm. ; the Kanter had rapresoril their elieslike to .... , WWl+ WrIV 1104114. to the Faitahlislied Charch, to hold , Innis .tar In't :r tit anar.l agail:•t 114 affintinn aiv •• ere ' rd as if they ''''ll'in — " hav e it you sha ll, do away, was one of its greatest advaistares. lan. , sera in •'e at Howie witle•ett tiro ern eincine ties. 4.• litl 'I . 1 - 11. i'eers sitneig to that House. It tva4 oil ! ! five s ... ias you :Ike it or not." This reininl bins o. was a qcestion h.• always approached with tear. A• as ; the d, ...„, 1 is , the Rill. 1 „•, , ; 40 „ . ' it „, 0 ,,, lan Z o '•, ter hail read somewhere of a reef nit who a , early period of lii4 life be had bet n in the habit of ciao ' .. ,.1.:_.,5 a i .... , a. inseietiii.„l4 Roonan .i .e e., ILI t Ike, • afar:wank, :aft: r tier panic pro iucen ley she arnicy ot . was meant by a cat-o•-aine-tnils.—aud los w :littering that the Constitution worked well. but si"ce ' ii hiLt Ilse whole ten.leacv of tha pre:white: an-I esinistre 'rho. Oates ti: it .he us •asure had heen matte general. that time strange event.; bail taken place in this coass. of their church went direetly is: in•hire •.y t a overthron• ' a, to :hie atm se, ..n of Roman Catholic% into the Hogs , • a q .°Fl ~ fit , • r % tan en—" Oh ►! it will m eke a vol try. We had seen that Hotta, acting in divert . ;T... ! s ae Cie !reit of Englan.l. lie ethjelne I ►to the till. Is •- tel l'onneion" it was tin- most absurd thisee in the • Y ou * —,l'algliter•)--T" "' Jch a Pr'" erliti C &Won to flue wishes of the people. Ile hail %el I,v which se. Oa to ni en.,..- th•i. the • • • ya.: I. r e an- l e , it ,t. ttal con t rary to the ..1,-_ts of . 0 .i . , ii, i .. , „ I „„ tn ., ~i It lan d „ 0 , 1 ~ • . 1 , i coots, n..ver agree, for there Was len princial n quint rrheitan . W. 14 declared t oyer . i t . e, an d ions tole-vie s %%Lich c-entsl allow an act to . ne - tint nouns Ineatan Catholic ropresent niers brestioa I , ara that the t louse of Commons was to dictate to the • move •1 the s••enrittes winch alone coal lis Is. •It 441, WM-/1 • . r ps 'his way. Ite n • let their Lonlanips sal it e great. bunk of lat , s I ...11W1.1•T‘ were runt-lanai. -.yen I . people, instead of taking their instruction* lons IL nse. „., t a so i,d . „. : „ e y equ i va l en t. I t was i t:1; 10.00)1e t o run- . • ' . rti cc of this Will would he if passed into a I i . t e . ninny a aleatn) with onside he was a...tenet-too ; it the House o f Commons did not speak the reuse of • troennite without at...srin the sunset ern.. Aof the great I were still to leave a Protestatit King, a in 11-ei awl. ••• here sinne tre-s. gre at taineln•in of ri c h the people, it was not a House of Comessior.--(strar.) ••!ian_e• which such a measure would en . ..et in a I.tem. a. IA Lieut.-mot in 1-elaa I. aaii a Pratesi —lle sunk! quote the description given of it I.y wine), hail given the cons:try its ;erne: all stignity. The Ron-in Catliont• . lia aa. sue • that it 11-• Ca r wieliti re- ......• lbw a • hot if the Protestant Chau:Aloe wit oppo!...ies . asf the Billls.l , had 'been fre!rutly ► pre..;'.! tor ;urn inly . ..titer tint i . inntestant rel.r.••...ssninves. Be klurke t-- 4. A prtititsning people, and an addrensian douses t atholie rolls:Agin% ansalat they alt , nrooto of its ilangerou• truilenvy. II !ex: tak.l,l be won Is• ter n it t•ie cone, aranve.y ow Innice . I ..i a l•a " ..' inns- Kane isf Co moons." The Noble Lord then yawed remain lona in his sitnati .o a It t hey I &inferno% than to :en pole teal ii ..ver t., pernens. ~ . ..ti% t 4 1S a. a 111:.; ist Le returne4l shosii 1 anrust tto fattier pass.. era front Burke, one of them a raking of as mesa. forei • • • d•• ' • "I.al • I'leV • ' • ••• , /114 proomaition to unto the event: -s to 0 hn 'nicer.'" "" e. t•, I si`s,•" l- ' tha n ' - iss ke AI: y , l ii,Ler• -, e!tange in Car Csalevi , itt:+ , :•, the •- • ' • Oen?! waging% ; anal county ineetinea nen . alsoaln give the securities reiperea. rota who wa4,-1 not at this way ; an %0 far frees itli pia : ern. t tna:surilv sit tle • Leg i slaters aeu I n have the re. ! ' not in that day desnribed as mese farces.—(lear.) . in.. 11 swear to give those securities? 'as s. it traold create iealoasies anal tt Prom all the inquiries which he hail been able to to .k, 1 The Duke of YORK rose wi:la the n.:nosit r..l3.•taaee • its tsiri: it4ll liaiats, awl 'Waist isoustali .teir rinist tel.+ I i l irt - ' , . ,•, _.,. . i or w-ae a esc son its ! bog pracin. the inoivs he could state, That the oreat in-,ss of th.• whistle class a . to oppose the named readieg of the Wall: II•it iarre were , a .14:1,:t r: but he aec.ar.•ll Ile (-scold its•V. i .11%4C11{Cf any I , . s. • • lat as the ALt• 11 of society were in Caton . of Refor and referring to a I .r.s.iiaie itatearr 'Likely to arise trout this 1:13. lie dr. I t h e ' " rjhe "."°: l• he l'? :1 r- ... late county weight., he C.lnhl state, e that the erea ,. nis _ i oenssions on which it Inseam: an holly: Intl no. to *4'1711 1 11 . „.1 , :5,t ow iz.,:aain t athopiico owed Any a;1eirt..0.... to , [ n e n it ha d iron sail in t : Itotnin l' inhoset t • n• ....1 l t • s , lie •••••f%r th • • one:. •1 he rXria,leii frunn sittina i.i Ptrnainent; .r I n onty of the yeomanry of the country to that ; as'ole, but to come forward, a.. ••..• • • ..e Amiga 1 1 .itice. ,tit they did was to /holy 641 :We nt wv , nees • ssa ry ; and it Walt one of the alarm: sn manta which be eatertainnl. The pres...l7 he .%) snonre.! I I his Aa c esty was th e bead of their church ; hut they I me the Bench. If •we were to hate Wen. ti ° l '" l" ' e :i"tra that free" of the 'l Peacr air 'to be one of thin:, c:cattions; far wers net their Lor.l- 1 Judges, the nianicipal and thee ecclesiastit N • had su bscribed to ever t. necessary declaratiou of a9r •lntlnt-: enpreesed their opinions that there wag noth; ..• to i . , which were now so blends. 1 toeetaer coon Blips eallea npon to sanction a meanie:, wui .0 it was 1 ,„.. e a d !or 't.• t th • ' b.- hopci from 'that House. In vccapiittlatina the detrain i II - • ' s.jue u - it ' s s sit Sovereign ' As t o the 1 ''. lee exercised in a proper manner. Then - ailmitten, crest by its advoneen, WTI ...t.`. 1 a great I ter part of this lie n s, he must say, that no secority whin .a. interetes which were represented in that notion In. . wining Roman Cetholies Into Parliament, ft a r vi nh e mas t sa y ; h n t there eras a Court interest greater change in the Conatitution esnthiiaii ..1 •tt the Ileroln. ever was necessary ; foe, on ail occasions, the Knnian known that since 166 S we had a Protestant , ante all the o th e rs; and this, he contended, Was as! tie I tinn of Itinn. a l in the system which had placed his t Catholics had eviuced such a spirit of loyalty £5 pfJVCII I 'P r otestant P a rlianamit ;an i it was 'no p.m'. re:Wags which they must remedy, or it woula be restin 1 elajeetY's family en the thrum'? When measttntei Iliod- a that no "et - whits whatever were required ; and the 1 any wan, that ha diet not hold all Ake of anti fav them. Ns' lieliered that the opinion of the g r nit .n •, • , privileges the Catholics pos , east aan th e wan . I WWI politicAlrower : and he would gem deer 1 t il t had been etl I • ;aroma a a S.a.es nate.. to aro t . "am ofthe people was that there ought sot may tie le,. Isr toprestos r incitinstanee of ng the eleetive fp m to hit iinun- • trAnnlv would the y be attached tie the Constitation of a clangs of wen, hot of neeasaree aiso. In au pport of i who hat rentieret the most eminent serviees . 1 . . man Catholics of Irelana in 1;93. was the foul 1 their country. Therefore he won!.l r•jeet every isle t , i'De neczasite for Reform, the :Sabi.. Lord atated,lltat on . try, he (hi% Royal Ilinbiness) had strenuously oppotwa tuat night's dehate— (attar, final —for one of security, an -1 pass this gr,mt measure of poliev awl a •titi•ion he that . noose on a popular 1 11 " tiell 1 "i the !thesis, on a thortmeh conviction of their dangerosis ten- veer only gave else to fresh claws for entire po, cnanty Slreeners for Ragland and Wa:rs, n. 6 had I oten ideacv. Tier more he had since heard the sithject ilia justice, without "Y condition whatever. Ile w.• Woman Catholic. were allowed to It in Varna:sew . a one 51.1,., and a-1 on the odes. r, while. of hieroasts , ~ ... ~ ,__ confideut that this indulgence mast, souutr or later, hr w i e na h e gitg th e ta s d a nlprstitva. o p irs o a th !!clef there toted 1;3 on wee side. awl On the other : ce"imi• the amore he hall been con firme4 Ili n" Yi" 1 " I . „ rante d . fleetest with the Omni% ot Enetami.....llf.prild • , . , •si t hus clearly evincing that itifinencr could be execte.l : which lie had then expressed. He had always:inner-nerd • arinnableerent ? lie fait tart his tartanyt W 7 ear the latter chen. • 'llsi. Noble Lord then revievred ' that the Clinreh of Evian,' was an iuternal part of the The LORD CrIANCELLOR began by notieing N ei s ,.,,,, erne d, and he no:n*lmi risk an? aileron Ens state o f sepresentrion in Seotland, which, rte noa- t onastitat i,, n : 1 ,, a , ,;,,.,, t it remain so. Wit let not what had fallen froai Lord Donioq:hinore on the former hazardous as thia. ` what initalit hereaftihnfollow f. n.r. Vil, was neither a representation of she ;anvil., nor of I th etr Loe , inh i p „ i mig i ne t h at h e w a s a n e neisiv lee tote flay, respectiag the opinion ! ; oven b y hiunelf on* the was uncertalu; but ls til nitherth happene l Fri . 12 1 1. Though far from apetevion - of th e r ime P rs " lion. Ile %Ismail always be hap; y that eyery see: shonla east r eading of the Rill. He hail.felt it to be his duty toe posaetaion of power his !Oilmen Cathollea • Posed by Me lion. Friend, yet lie Ibsen:lst that the iff At . h av e the fall exercise of its religiict, as lens: as It did at that time to ssate at Once, that he objected to Wee known to every . boil. Tim sues lead - 1"P".. *4 could '"IlY b e ,14%ised by g"lng it"' al (*"*. ant :dean the security of the Established Chinch, and Rill : t hat in doi •titb f lt •di ' on ta , e e nn sort ot sre•pect the purest and heat Church in tholterlsl,.. i o , ni the subject. • b an g a , n s lo rnele. rs erniainea loyal "objects. lint there . pleteat toletatiou that ever teas Vont), to the opinions -A those who supported the Bill. 'I he _, . n , . , . , Lao • • 3lr. 0/11 , 11AnIS expressed him astsenishoirat at the was A t reat stilt-rester between allowiur the Ger 'nenme best poatio.c tounnation tor sit a e n ,. a•‘4 t o -pit Noble Lard who last spoke lead said, that sooner or later be • 11 In k ''l liii •••• e s se . lir thee t imritotti he tie ilienn. 31enele..r for Icier o f erligiew a ionerautine oolitic:al power. • rt%. e cou ac no.v.to ge a. ►a "al I. l Viilrt 03:- 1 1 . t, rile: ), and would derend the p. • I i.liaelt ioadeanate to the teals of euierlog into sue dr- 'n.: Di!! must be carried. Be it so ; but •to the las: ► persimian, but he c ould not at.knoniedie . • .•• - 1 14 r itts op' lust bis 'Ter 1 to )11(1 Ikea reSS- man late hitn 'taut • 4 )3,41 Ca- • cies [the !rest the t the mold ref.. e E• • 1. tat i•• that, ille,l urred Whet, , • ;tins' re the e ut• eh et- Eng- neat , 1,. 4:1" e r:. , frog., n .11't Wkstie tat sit- dune- tn all se- • afters nature ermine Li I ly 1,11 , • $ I:now arch of he it- Prei •-• th,...; should romp:art t :omit- t should • trAth•Oth t t. W 1 1 641 I 1 itte/Itrrti, nut Iran- psis'his at doing ISill vi ! that the tt.,nt JI i- ions prra- a Root VI sta.44 t o Roman sided the is lion was .f,)re tb e to Inc- nowletlgst hick owe the it 1- . . l'rute.tant F eou:o 1 .•1 1 oltj- I •:r kitszat.:4, tau CAP. J- -1 a tills: dived th ,t %Athol_ it. T / I, wheth r • of a st , . - f tilted wit .t whom this ilatiteer : as this b slip of r•••..- • he ros• OhAt I •w. f p r .,tes• , I 'taut - .ere ILO Lk" Row hew :a beam I all tlis icing satin.. 1 • I.laentiolt ; • i,lual it..rof them. rs shout! !int from sitting nan Catholic tics! powers could never as to ass. it was we!! t King art.! a 4 • rnishment trust or , r f dare that this ise to the foundatie:. . i t access:on ire po.ver . t •• irwstions I'' • 1.• wild this b • was ales t i ar:fir -f ri" with the 114A1 WA% KL religion- .1- t of the P0t.....n r a bisitsy. r . • • • -- 1 ■ MI Isi r our qii I It A' N ;pr . alit'' • rh " 1 : "