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JULY 4. The remaining Orders bake ►ees disposed of, the Ileum ad journed. THURSDAY, JULY I. The Marquis of TATINTOCK presented a Petition from Liverpool, signed by 1800, praying the atdoptiuu of measures of Reform. Petition read and ordered to be printed. Sir F. Bonontr rose to hying forward the all-important question of Reform. He did not know to whom the Noble Lord had alluded. but he had not dime any thing to separate the friends of Reform ; on the contrary, he was anxious to keep them together, and avoid dilfereoces amongst them.— Much hi.pe had as isea from the new Parliament, but he had thought and had found the new to be like the.old Par liament. He had not brought it forward earlier this Session, because had he done so, and before the Parliament was know a, he doubted not that the failure of the question would have been laid at his door t nay, some might have attributed to hint the three millions anew taxes imposed on the people. lle did nut now iiitead to propose any specific plan—he desired the House to pledge itself to consider this all-impoi t ont question seriously early io the next Sessiunt and he thought this would secure the tranquillity of the Country, and would, above all, supersede the necessity olagisin reros tilt; to a su-pension of the Constitotion. lie CO taint) , should, curly iu the next Session, call the a•tention of the House to the necessity of a serious consideration of the question of Reform by proposing a plan. He was not for any thing visionary; what he had proposed in 1809, in particular, WAS not visionary, and he Will thought that taxation and obedience ought to go hand in hand wish representation.— The necessity of a e complete reorientation, and the right to a more ample Commmis !tome of Parlivinent, were strongly supported by facts and the best and latest constitu• s' I authorizes. Judge Blackstone wits of that opinion. Ile held that the spirit of the Constitution allowed II %Try man a vote, except stone special reasons agailist the excise of suck right ; mid yet those who held such doctrines were now striated jneohioical ; why, knew nut, except it 'faulted front the degraded spirit of the age. But was it WO much for the people (.1 require to have voices in the election of those who were to dispose of the lives. and property of the Natian / They, however, did uot ask for one-tenth prat of what their ancestors enjoyed, anti yet were they deemed visionary and jacobinical for the prayers which they sahmitted to that Hone. The state of the people too, W:IS soaker argument for Reform ; the merchants, the in ottifiwitarers, the na,riculturisis, and esen the monied people complained of distress. The Noble Lord oppoide. vs ho hod bpokeu of Ilse prospei ity of the country early is the Session, knew nothing of the seal state of the country; indeed, how could lie Lleeteil, as that Howse was, there was nobody iu it alto was interested in telling the thuds; called together by titled uoouneva, mid represeming rutted litwou,Ms. But he would tell Mose who called themselves Whigs, and whim required riarritehment and economy, that without Reform, which was " the oil of the nisehiati.'" setrenchtnent and economy could not be ohtaitied—( /tear, hear!) I morinoun tauition and a stasuling army were the results of this system. nod that S‘StPlll would continue so MN; as the people were ruled by the present no represent:di . It was called a corrupt House, but shut was au ern mous idea; the assembly was called the reare senattives of the people. (Cries of order !) The SIPEAKC I submitted whether such language ought to be held. Sir F. BIJRDI:TT said, whatever the Speaker thought was incorrect language there, would guide his sentiments. He con tinued, contanling that it was not a corrupt House. because they did the duty of those who sent them, frequently exposing them selvis to odium that was unpleasant to the feelings. They represented the particular Boroughs and Nominees—they did not, however, represent the People hilly and fairly. The calamity of this system was, that the King could not choose his own Minis ters; the Borough Proprietors is tact named them. The Crown was thus deprived of its diguity and splendor : in the language of Junius , the Royal Bird being deprived of his plumage was fixed to the earth. Another calamity resulted from it; while it Looted, the expenditure could not he lessened. It was ' , hewn in the instance of the Chancellor cf the Exchequer, who could not listen to the complaints about the window tax in Ireland, which produced fevers. and the Lotteries, which produced vice and !trimonthly. All panic., were interested in the question from the 'King to the Peasant..-.dl except the Borough Proprietors. Mr. Pitt had foretold, that without reform an honest man could not he a Minister; that without it the country would be involved in fresh wars; end slr. l'itt in his owe history unfortunately realised the truth of Bloc predictions. Ile beeanie Minister. and intoxicated the country with Isis eloquence; he had gone, toe wars had ceased, but the sad realities retained behhol. The state of the country showed that the system was literally grinding the people to pieces them must be Reform. It was said that good men would give good measures; that was a fallacy; hut the axiom ore legislator was, that good orders woual give good men. (War.) Without the anny, they imaginvel themselves unsafe; Ism dangerous as had been a standing army to the liberties of Europe. he feared less from then: than from the gentlemen of the long fob^ and those clothed in black. (.4 ktfi,./e.) It was raid that they ought to be in a commanding attitude—but that WAS unwise, as every boxer could tell slain, for the man that kept himself always in a state of deli:nee was defeated us sours as the combat began. The tinny might be relied op, but it would be relied do in vain, if the moral feelings of the country were once aroused. It was said by the Rt. /lon. Member tor larerpool, who was an open opponent, that there were theoretic blots, but that the systrist •• worked well." How did it work well? As the grave-digger in Hrsibit said of the gallows--" how does it do well? why it does well for those who do ill—srpr, it would do well far thee." ( ks,ihier.) 'they said it worked well who knew nothing of the real state of the country—who called the ruined manufactures flourishing, but who reposed in a Para• dire created by themselves, tier thernsels es. Rut Reform most come if the cour.try. were to he saved, and he now wished the the Borough Pm/motors. for their own sakes, to come to some o;treement with inc People. He concluded whit moving, that the House pledge iiself to take into its serious consideratisaa• early in the usxt Session, the State of the Representation of the l'eople. Mr. G. TAIrII etconileil the motion, and com.:irattiltited the those, certainly the friends of Reform, on the question being trought before the House in this form. Since the question had teen supported by the Hon. Baronet and his coadjutors, it had :rely •• marked time." or if any thing it had retrograded; hut he trusted that those who were against visionary schemes, but who wire the real friends of the people and of Reform, would still he successful. He was for extendin ii the elective franchise; for removing the franchise from dteatyett' Boroughs to more pi. Mears places ; and for shortening the dur a tio n o f Parliaments. Ile did not complain of being " intitl-Ise-pattertil ;" nor should he, if he could obtain any advantages for the Constitution. There insist be likewise strong measures to pre unit bribery and corrup tion;—hut he did not think that Reform was the grand panacea which some ropresented it to be. He did not iniegine that it would cure all evils, prevent the dears as of provisions, bad har vest, and the like ; but he deeinal Reform to be essential. Mr. Gat:A*4;lA. it. dared that he o °Ott not conwot to the Adoloti ton of sty' skit until hr knew dt.tinetly what it was that the Refuriacts wanted i an, be tip:Wore wowed as an THE NATIONAL REGISTER. ainettimest that the house revered to the other orders of the day. Mr.HowsoiGuanui thought it would he much better in every point of view, to adopt the plan su4ested by the gallant General (Sir It Wilson), of disfranchising those Boroughs altogether, and transferring the elective franchise to some of those large and populous towns which at present were unrepresented. If vie House could pass a law to this effect, he was convinced it would tend to si!eace all the dis coid( nt and clamour a hick bad been raised against the present system. Lord Joni ftrissect. said, that the Hon. Baronet who had opened the debate had complained that the reformers were represented to be wild and visionary theorists, and had called upon the House to stale where these wild and tision nry reformers acre to be found r if the lion. Baronet did not know a here to dud them, he would tell him : he would reter him In those persons who had advised him during the last Session of Parliament in bring forward his celebrated motion fir alingoill Parliaments, Universal Suffrage, &e. Aldermen Wuithinun and 11 nod, Sir it 11 th on, Mr. itc. rationed ; after which Sir I'. Burdett replied. The House then divided; the numbers were, on the amendment--ayes 153—noes 51--ninjurity against the mirth 11l 9.1. DMIE Via M RR I %Gli 111L6.—OU the motiso of NIT. W. SMITH that this Hill he committed, Lord CsetLeßLAGir nisbed the Hon. Nlmitier would consider whether it would not be better to postpone any further proceedings upon it till an curly flay in the neat Sosion. ....... 31r. W. SNITIL replied, that n't••r the tuggestinn of the N• tile Lord, he could out think of pmssin,i, it further. for it would be idle affectation in him to think of currying it a;:,ainst the Nobl- Lord's consent. The que‘t ion was thew pat, aid the Phil was ordered to he committed this day three arc►.—( I nis of course puts off the 1101 to the nest Session.) . The uth-rorders of the day were then pence , ded with, and they having bees ditposed of, the House adjourned. FRIDAY. JULY 2. Mr. Alderman Wool, presented the Report of the Committee on the Duke of Kent's Lottery Petition. It wet read. It set forth the petition ; the petitioner's embarrassments ; the causes of them, loss of bevgage, &c. the efflorts made to reduce the debts by insuring his life, residence abroad, &c. ; and the reduc tion of the debts to about 70,0001.—The petitioner had only the property at Castle-liar. independent of the public supplies. Alderman Wool, then moved for leave to bung in a Bill in persuanee of the Report, and in fulfilment of the prayer of the peation. It was said that the proceeding was without precedent ; but what was the case with Adams's Lottery regarding the Adel phi, the Pigott Diamond Lottery, the Skinner and Pickett streets Lottery, &c. 'fie Duke's property was said to be worth 150,001'1 but however 50,0001. had been granted on it by way of mortgage ; and he had understood that It.eyesil. had been laid out on the property in epieetion. He could assure the House, that such was the popularity, the deserved popularity of the Duke i n the City of London, that the tickets were already, in fact, sold ; if the Act were granted, the tickets would immediately be dis posed of. Why was he so popular in the City; Iseame he had done to much good there, by supporting dormant charities, rais ins others, attending charity sermons, &c. Gentlemen opposite might smile; he would only tell them to •• go and do likewise." He was satisfied with the value of the property . and he there- fore moved for leave to bring in a Bill to enable the Duke of Kent to dispose of his property at l'astlchar. Ealing, by way of Lottery. Mr. GREN FELL said, if this motion were acquiesced in, tie should like to know how they could refuse the application of himself, or any other person, to have this sort of opportunity of goring rid of property that was not exactly saleable. lie thought :Ministers were hound in justice to themselves to take up the sub ject involved in the petition and report. Mr. He sir. said, the question would be a very ditErentene, if this were the first time that such a measure had received the approbation of the (louse Z and he denied that there was the leant occasion for consulting the Ministers on the subject. A similar course had not been pursued in other eases where Lotteries had been granted to prisate individu its ; and was the Duke of Kent, Because h.! was the King's son, to he deptived of the advantages which had been granted to private persons ? The Duke of Kent had lived on 7,P001. a year, devoting li.taNtL to the iwyment his debts . and now that his Royal !Ugliness applied to hare that benefit which had been extended to other individuals, he lamented that the application luid not received the appmbation of the .Mt. nesters. Hedoented it due to the ',like's character to enter into some explaoations. The Duke went to Canada at the ege of in; hr was for tire years with only two pistolee • week for locket money—the debts in consequence amounted to 20,004 1 1. 1729, he remained with oaly army-pay, and during dangerous campaigns he lost equipments. &v.; unit the only allowance lie ever received (I bolts excepted) was 2,01 N 2. granted 13 years after wards. The Duke never abandoned his duty, but remained till ill.health obliged him to return home ; and at the age of 32, for the first time he received an annual allowance—it was 12.0001. a year. l'he Duke's debts were not the result or any extravagance, debauchery. and profit ism, could that be said of others ? His Royal Highness had not had justice done him; he ought to bare had his allowance from she age of et ; and there was thereby a deficiency of 96,0001. Had he had his proper elluwanec, there would be no occasion for this application ; but his allowance and grants of D 10 1 ,6 of 20,0001 sad OnooL had been without emit plete weaves, applied t o the discharge of his debts.—The Duke was next iappointed to the Gm/erne/ship of Gibraltar, and the ci-citinstanees of the recall, arising out of the &mutiny there, required ci.planation. Mr. ANNINI. rase to older. He sot *tied whether the mutiny at Gibraltar, had any just conneetam with the uppli ration hefole the 1101114 . , or whether it %%mild be itileiseahle to vi•eall the circumstances of th ul esrut ( Mor i hear.!) RD.. flume resumed.-111d it hen known what he was about to say , he t nought lit should out have been interrupted; but the erroneous inipressions existing on the. public mind required to be removed. ( Cries of " No, tan".)— Ihe Ilion. Member then went MI tem say, that the allowances of Go % ruler had been regirlatly I emoted 10 I.ll2lanil, but had Is-en withheld from tile Duke. They had not been carried lu tiny public account that he knew of; possibly they had been at lei ed to at., ultimate t lie could roily say s let the link, have 1010 is once% equal to a Mat hail been giyen to Ilie Dukes, and his ,oatil as Governor, 101 al If ightie, could pas his debts; if they were refused, whist ) ,round itnu.d Davie he for sesistitiA thir application ? I C.111171.C11 as (.11 lamented that this Case 111111 bee. 4 l oii;lit foi ward, and especially that it had been eipproi as it n. 1,1 been by the II 'III. Moodier who quake Lot —( /a.ar insolved a reproach on his Majesty, ) 0, Douse, sold on the Country; and a. the Duke'. ila•aar had twice Clllll , berme the House pm Ocularly, why bast not these eireomstaiii es tatalt inesitioatal 1!IC11 I—The litAe had 11uw 31,0001. a ‘‘`,lr—ltis income w as lir tier tb..ii that of Ica brothels Ile felt te-sureil that it was Ant anus.;; as the trieud, to mile,: forward his case. 11. such 4 nuttmer..— ( Hear, hear !) If 'Ms motion trete afilUlt sc.ll in, be knew nut how they could iefuse such applittstiuns from oilwr iduals. --- Mr. Fonncede.lsrrd That be %%mild sttppolt the mot;nni and that the Usk.: ut titan had aut been treated a► %%ell as 411 hit Royal Brothers. It wasa high complitsent to the Duke . ; character in retaruisg to the Country as he had done. Sir C. lit/ M•rt.t. observed, that Air. limse's statement of Income was nut in agreement with the Parliamentary docu ments: Mr. D. ;aid, that 11,0001. was set apart to pa) nit' his debts, keying 7,0004 to live on; the document; said, that, with allowances, the amount way 31,0004 odd. Mr. Howe replied, that this was correct ; 6,000» a year had been added an the man Lige. Lora Lows-ass thought ihissubject had been mow inch,. etetely, must unadvisedly htauglit forward; and i.e trusted that the propriety would he semi of withdraw Mg this mutton. Alderman WOOD replied. It did nut iegilt from the Duke—the plan originated in the suggestions' of slip Duke'd friends, mind had been by them pre.sed foram d.—( War.) Lard CA6TLERXAGH expressed the sat isfactson w nab D Dick he had heard this tatter ctsmuianication ; he. was glad that the Duke was thereby reprised from the (*rein% that bad arisen in the Douse, in comequence of a contrary opinion beim; entertained,—(f/ear.) Mr Casa sass explained; after which the motion vs ac withdrawn. The Huuse them vroceeded to dispose of the orders of the day. C A sici.roap PArc - rrov.-11r. D. W. 114 Rimy, foundote his proceedings un %%hat hal been done in the C.1%?.1 .ef l'enryn, liarmtaple, &c. and presuming that the Camelford evident e was kiiimai to every istrnibt r, niuvcd, th it th., Cutuelfind report be .akru into further consideratio this day three month•. Ile should thou move thol the is uing of new Wilts fur Camelfurtl be delayed till the llr,t day of hest SesAnn. Mr. C. Warta moved, that the report be taken into cons.deration ou Moodily rietr. AArerd to. . . . _ . - - - The remaining Orders of the day being disposed of the H tithe adjuui tied. FROM TUESDAY NIGHT'S GAZETTE. --40-- CROWN OFFICR, JTINIC 2% Al EN! BER returned to serve in this present PARLIAMENT. Borough of Ileytesbury.—The lion. Wm. Hinny Johutcot. BANK It II MI& H. P. Jackson, Liverpool, merchant. J. Dobell, Cranbrook, Kent. brewer. Pickton, Hammersmith, grocer. W. 'Hardy, Manchester, drysalter. A. Allen, Pall Mall, colic° furriturc manufacturer. S. W. NVoolrich, Scatlbm, druggiit it. and E. Eddies - ton, Blackburn, Lancashire, cotton manure*. turers. H. Lanham, Dorking. grocea C. Law, Xlinort,..s, victualler. [II VI DE NHS. July et), Bullneke, Catherine Street, Strand, button and trimming seller -24, T. Weaver, High Holborn, floor clots manufacturer-13, J. Nuwill and J. Burch, Jewry Street, Ald gate, wholesale stationers—? 4, W. St.vtge, Corporation Row, Clerkenwell. watehmalcer-21, M. aud )1. C. ttliren, Rroad Street, RatelitTe. stationers -24, J. G. Mosley and H. J. lien:h. Sidn,uuth Place, Gray's Inn Lane, manufacture:sot ornamer.tai toys-24, W. Aldhara, Borough Hills Mill, Great Totltam. Essex, utilltr-20, R. Swan. Gainsborough, Lincoln. merchant —2O.C. Cart, Bridge Street, Westminster, jeweller-20, J. Peel, C. Harding, and \V. Willock. Fazcley, Statford, manufactursrt and spinners of cotton. Letters from Cadiz state, that several of the British transports had been discharged, not front their being no longer wanted, but because the Captains would not submit to new conditions the Spaniards wished to impose upon them. It appears that the experience acquired by the purchase of the rotten Russian ;:hips has made the Cadiz Committee extremely cautious, and they now insist on the British ships being strip ped betilre they proceed to ace, though many of them were fresh coppered before they lett this country. With this tile Captains refused to comply. A series of Madras Gazettes, to the tith of Fe bruary last, have arrived. We learn from them that the epidemic still continued at Bombay and the neighbourhood; but not severely. Partial hostilities are still carrying on between some of the native Powers and our troops. By letters front the Camp at Synkurah, in the neighbourhood of the Nerbtel dah, tilted December t.t?., it was stated that rein forcements were expected, when our troops were to lx formed into three divisions, and 4 was antici pated that hostilities would be commenced with the cx Rajah About the 15th of January. The whole force of the enemy was estimated to amount to 10 ; (00 men. including Arabi and Upends. Other letters contain an account of the dispersion of a body of these hill mercenaries, who had reemtly tanned a part of the garrison of Borgagurh. They had gained a strong pass, in which they posted themselves atler a march of i 8 miles, when Capt. Pedlar, with a squadron of the Bth Bengal eavalr , :, and a party of auxiliary horse, killed ;,:sont 100 of them, wounded a still g:eater '.eandier, and put the rest to flight. MEX/C°* -- (Fr';o: a Boston rap, of V of .111:“..) —Credible cli-natits from Vera Cruz to the Ttlt April nte•:.titin, that with the excinion of a wan. tiering., party ottratriots, undtr father Torres, of alstat 1,500, the whole of the Vice-Ituvalty ef ,:exieo was in a state of it-anvil loyalty, and the; rammunication between the. wines of the interior and Vera Crux of course wholly uriaterrupital. Aa English frigate had just sailed, with 1,000,0t:3 cf d o llars on board ; anti a Mr. Parker, a Britit it agent there, had u license to ship 10,000,000 more to England. (It is understood that a convention exists between the English and Spanish Goren:- luents, by which the former engages to transport to Europe the product of the mines of the latter at a stipulated cuustris.siou ; and that the English men of war, to ensaro the safety of the treasure, shall be employed in the transit.)