The Statesman. — London, England, 1814-05-17 00:00:00

'4 't - f .: 4 F5.14 'Ft 1E S' l'A' r I4'.S N't N. ‘.'" 1 - • 1 I .. ^' . .. ~ y. r~t • es• For it contained this remark—" ' That the Coin. how couldthey justify the extraordinary interposi- bad in itself; or that such a system !elope were not satisfied with the attempt to make don which the measure before the House proposed, ble in regard to Corn; but he the' e heat very dear, but endeavoured to deprive the to benefit one class of the people to the prejudice of the system ` hew in practice ,as consumer of any supply in times of scarcity, and to oihers ? Upon that part of the Report of tive Coro- abnistd be kept in view, unless throw him entirely into the hands of the grower."— mittee which related a Irtilatidc*e Inuit peak with'eont . for the departure from it. Ht Against the character of this statement he (Mr. W.) I 'dillidenceefrom his comparative disacquaintance with commerce should always give way s!rongly protested, and maintained, that it was ut. that country.; but of the other parts of the Report of State : but it appeared to him terly irreconcilable with the fact. He also protested to which he had adverted, he had• no hesitation in here no such ream ; and, in adl' against the statement of the Right Hon. Gentleman expressing his entire disapproval, and therefore he peered to him, that the presente . with regard to the disposition of Mr. Pitt upon the concluded with moving to postpone the further season for proposing any change subject of the Corn Laws, and this protest he felt consideration of the Report to this day . three tile could not help particularly himself authorized to make from his own personal months. difference of opinion that prevailed 4:noWleclge. ; Sir GEORGE CLERK denied that the object re. Resolution, as to which no two NI, Mr. 11. GIDDY thought the abstract proposition commended by the Committee in their Report watt proved of it concurred in the reasons on which that to be considered on this occasion was, how the nation permanently to increase the price of grain. The concurrence was founded. He was unwilling, there stolid apply its capital with the best advantage, error proceeded from a very common assumption fore, •to• go ihto• a detail of his reaming whys he %%h.:tiler forties wills of provisions or the means Of . that Great Britain must always be an importing coun - wished th i s R esolution to be postponed. He did so' • defence. Aftereesute f ur ther observations, , 'try; whereas a very little stimulus:; to agriculture, ! taking into consideration the state of the manufae. Sir .1. NEwPotur rose to Order, conceiving that 4 even keeping it at its present state s would be tuffs- tures of this ettentry, and the persons , in foreign the,lion.Member , ens tett discussing the 'question cleat to secure an adequate supply fer . our population. 'markets • whont'we Wete to meet with.—lfe• thought wo r e' the !louse, ohich related to .the export of With regard to a free trade, experience had shown; •• the this Resolution ought to be postponed,not because Cent, but another topic, which waft' • hereafter to be that it was absurd to expect, a prevalence of low there was not' time enough to consider it, but be considered respecting the itnport of thet tirticle. prices from it, as the market prices must, after all, Cause of the change of circumstances which Might be , Mr .. ese s pilet)Y. resumed, and expressed his unwil- depend upon the supply at home, He had one ob- expected to take place with regard to our foreign re- Huey'a to bring forwarders) , discussion ir r egularly. jection to the scale proposed by an Hon. Member, haloes r and because there was not now time for us etut feeling that he was not out of ortters'he proceed. which was, that it did not render the farmer secure to see in whet posture the trade pf this, country s :as .Co illustrate his" Proposition, ihd he shbMitted to the in the prices of the home mark e t , bu t de p endent to our forei g n relations, was ,likely . to stand. 'lf consideration 6f the Reese, whether, altbhugh tint. upon the foreign market. He believed corn might ,the House were to pestponothitepre of the subject, bee; for instance, Ithoold happen to be *mech . cheaper, ,now be imported from the Batik at 60te s the quarter, he should have the satisfaction,' o! (rem re. in France, we sheeld - not l'athir . encourage *Oft Would rewhire 735. per quarter to enable the fiecting . on the Bill which had been :brought. in *this • • growth of cak ie our it • itu country then . altoW dui. • Enelsh'sgiOlisrlo compete with that ;Dire ; but he day, and to which there was likely tette. litile'br no` solves to depend upon• Frances or any other state,lter thoOght th4Tirmer ought to be secured in a mono- opposition, in any quarter, - that the House had done a supply of that essential article. Unquestionably pnly Cif tbehome market up to fiOs s He should enough in thepresent Sessiononthisimportant subject, l we should promote that encouragement by every certainly linos against the Amendment, because after its the recognition of the principle of a free trade in means in our power ; and from the same considera'- the agitetiiet which the questlen had undergone, it so essential a point. If that Bill was to be maintained tions of policy, we ought to encourage the growth was inipertene to the landed iilteresis etthe country and carried through, as he trusted it would, it would of corn ircour nwat dominions. ibis encouragement that something shoirld concluded s but he hoped eventually ; he hoped, prove one principal part of then he %vets to disposed to afford, not froM ettyl7li. an increase of the licelearould be ported. . thi . tratle Of this country, particularly of that part cittule to keep up hieh rents, or still !esti to advance • Mr. WEeTEKNI observed, that, upon an average of the kingdoin in which he, was satisfied every them, or to maintain the interest of corn growers, in 'of the last test years, the . proporttoikof car e imported Member - Of that House felt a deep interest—lreland. cnntradietinction with that of the inattufnctarteriebt wits very smell 'compared to that which , was grown ; , That there was no danger of supplies of corn could solely with a view to (serious national polltty. 14 "he . had ascertained that from a careful estimate whiCh at any time be withheld from us, when we required fact it was for the country to consider, 'Wheth4t it . heitaensude. . With respect to e free trade, the them, he argued from this consideration, that at the would submit to pay rather a dearer price • fet cornelsed.oPtion'of it he considered as hoptifsible, in , the very period when .our •enemy had rowed our de. ar con•ent to depend for a supply of that isecesSity' . : eforeplge sense apt* wont.. 11c•shoM like to know, ' struction—when our crops had failed—and • when the upon foreign rations? Corn might be cheaper 'itt - from the adeecatert ref a free Cern* Trede, in what Continental system was in. (la vigour, we were, in France, or the Baltic, or on the coast of the Black mintier they wdult**e that. Vide established. He spite'of that spitem, in full supply of corn. -If so, Sea than le England, but still he would not encourage kneW it would hesteldied , open your ports, at all i what reason haitsve,iiitnafraid of our agricultural the import of that corn to the prejudice of !English timers, to the importation of foreign corn ; hut if that interests on account pt the cheapness at home?--It agriculture. Therefore he was an advocate for the were done, he should still have to learn how, that j was impossible that importation could ever be carried p inciple of the measure befortethe House, not be. would lower the price of corn. The customary jto such a pitch as to drive out our home-grown corn. C '4Luse, as it was alleged, it promised to render core atiswer•was, that it would be accomplished. by draw-'t The expellee of the carriege•of so bulky an article et:caper, bet because it must serve to guard agains t ing corn from countries where it could be grown • alone ! must ,always render that next .to impossible, the recurrence of these fluctuations of prices, which cheaper than in this; but still there most be a limit added tOsirti s eb, there was, the *essence of double lad been foutel-so distressing to the people. Ile for to that supply, and W.the end the price would sited shipping Voin the one country-to the other. As to one, was not for, reducing the price of corn very low, its own level. • The authority of • Adam Smith bed -the agricialturists, be would gain ,jpst nothing•et all because he thought such a reduction cosh! never take been referred ; but he, would undertake ,to ' frotp the proposition of thwßight Honourable Gen- Voce consistently with the bes t interestoof the Conn. that when That celebrated 'writer advocate d it s free7. tlerritinf and as to Poor Rite% ' there would, at no try, or the severity of ; the Conatitution.s. : ' I trades hemeant;hest the corn trade Only se bee ifree' great distance, be occasion for aTeeisionsef them ; The, co.ocy.t.wit of the EXCHEQUER trade generally , and such a,policy Wesittn)- Toe at pieseet tisey.could be regarded is no .otlier made sonstredefervatione l but (as. top often happens would be disposed to applaud. 'the re were,eupter. Itght,than.as an itlefficeciogs and circuitous way of to. be the crere)eo eery. jaatidible e that we could not oils passages in his work:Which Confitmed . timin the . paxieg the wages of labour. Tho extension•of home co ll ec t his rovinipg. ..• . opinion that such was not his view. At the period demend,and home . market, was . the tree stimulus of Sir M. adverting to the Petition t when he wrote his work, this country largely cep. ell epriculteral. improvement.. He concluded with Whitth lie .harbpreeented from his Constituents against ported corn, and he estimated the quantity imported ;`tifefing, that this was not a merely agricultural calm s • • • • the proposed . ehange in the Cern Law, disclaimed as being not more than the 570th part of the•whole , try,but that we depended principally on our tom e Bey iutentionsof casting the.slightest reflection up. consumption. From this fact he encouragedlite farmer, 1 coerce and manufacture} for that distinguished rank On those Gesitlemen. with Wham the measure under and drew the conclusion that England never lifOitersistekteetse s Widele s teg s beld in.sthesseateof aii consideratiuu originated, and the Honourable Baro. be ass importing country to any . great extent. r • tieinel:' l l6l4 he therefore thought it impolitic, to adopt . •114 net lead a letter from the Chairman of the Committae l .; his own part, he (Mr. W.) was perfectly of op t an y m nce, the tendency of which might be'ulti . who drew up the Petition, containing a similar dis. ;that no country was more competent. toepaintabOts : matety to throw discouragements on the commercial claleter: own popuiatiois wit h ou t the aid of otly s forelgn . euee. ,'prosperlty and resources of the country, from an After a few words from Mr. ELLISON, the Bill ply . , than the; cnitielenipire. The real mode of nob. , ' exclusive and unwise preference of our agricultural which proposes that the Exportation of Corn shall tabling Nil prices', eves lo put that impediment iwthe _interests.. • pot in future he subject to the payment of any Du- • way alintrottecittiffieeign corn; which would, Oink . ss Mr. BRAND argued in favour of the Bill. He ,ties, was read a first, and ordered to be read a: se- its supply. -If they fired the 'import .price at *het hoffiesieded that the competition_ between the home coed time on Wetittesdrty a and to he pivoted., likely toile its *Reenlist: prime they..lTU ehspe e griewie Of . corn and the foreign importers would not —rn cirvircaLott Of the EXCLIEQUF,R not only the exertions of the 'British glower s , leartoft be afair.cnnipetition. The-cultivator. ,of the land at moved the reading of the, Resolutions with regard to the foreign also. Ile ho ped the tialifFt 'wossdesin. hot** hake very belay tax to pay -before he could the Pensions to be granted to Lords Lynedock , d er g e the fullest discuieion. re would 'have ins en brit'ighis corn to market. It was the land that paid 11411, and tleresford, with a view to propose the better to avoid legislation 'Open it altogether, if.poer the pcior'e rates, that paid the salaries of the fund- postponement of their consideration to Friday Bible; and he was particularly sorry that it shoals) tionitties of religion, it was from the reels of tire next. have taken place at a moment like the present, Om land that churches were built and roads made.— . After a few words from Sir C. MONK, who re. the price of corn was low, because the public voitild Would then the foreign importer be content,to pay quested the House and the Minister to consider that nits away with the notion that' it was the object of half the expence of these, in order to start fair' in the it was usual above thirty years ago to grant '2OOOl. the Legislature to heighten it. —fffear :-It woitid . Market with the home producer of, corn? jibe effect a year to Officers of such distinguished merit as those have been much better adapted for discussion last of crepe and unrestrained importation from' foreign alluded to; and that from the • depreciation of mo. Session, and he regretted that it was not then brought .maeltets would be to throw a great proportion of-the trey, 30001.. a year would he scarcely equivalent to forward.—[ Hear t] —lts his opinion they had often arable land of the kingdom out of cultivation. The that sum at present, the Resolutions were read, and legislated upon the subject. Whets the price of Coin t farmer could not afford to grow corn unless hecoutd the Chancellor of the Exchequer's motions agreed was high; they legislated to lower it, and stow that it •be sure ofee certain average price. for it. The efeet to. • . was low, it would be thought that they were legisiat. •of flds diminished growth of corn would he to render Mr. HUAKISSON• moved the farther considers- ing to make• it higher.. It was a most injurious and us unwise!) and utittecessarity dependent upon foreign tion of the Report of the Committee upon tits sub. a most unfounded opinion, to, imagine that it was in nations for our supply of this necessary- ankle of ject of the Corn Laws. ! the power of that House to fit the price of Corn.— life; and the ill effects of such a precarious supply Lord A. liAmicroN declared his intention to " The scheme recommended on a former night,. was .we had already suflicientty felt, and might soon feel take the sense of the House upon the Resolution re. 4 that of a graduated line of duties. Of this he did not " again with ten-fold force. %meting the restrictions proposed with respect to the approve. The principle which met with his, appro.. Mr. ABERCRONIBIE professed himself one I import of Corn. If the effect of the proposed ar.; bation Was this, that importation shottld s be dis. ; ', favourable to the 13111. He said, the question in his rangement promised in any degree to reduce tlieloutitenanced till there was likely to be a acatcitjeof mind simply was, whether it was better for the in.• price, Or to secure a doe supply of grain, he should corn ; that then, and not till theft, corn should bee tense of the community at large, that they should tie most willing to support it; but considering it as . admitted, and that duty free. He had the bettourSof ' lay ihis prospective tax on tls,e consumer of corn?-=1 likely alone to promote unduly the interest of thi being a Member of the Committee of last Session; . He called upon the House to pause before they laid agriculturist to:the prejudice o f the other branches of and he continued of opinion, that the mode of re-e on this additional tax. At least time for farther en. the community, he felt,it.his duty.to oppose it. Ile ; commended by that Committee, was the best mode Squiry he thought absolutely necessary. The Repo& •• thought this measure exceptionable, not .only in its of proceeding on the subjec t of the Grit Laws. -Illesewhiett had been brought up contained informatiote; • own nature, but peculiarly so from the time at which I entertained the full persuasion that if any thing.!evd details with respectetbieeland only : but if thiee it was brought, forwent. From the conclusion of could keep alive the spirit qf agriculture in th iscopri.linformation was neressary with respect to Ireland,!, the war, and the natoreof the law respecting there. try, it must be by making the duties on. Impost, he could not see why it was not egeelly important . sitictions upon cash payments at the Bank, it was I amount nearly to a prohibition. If we were relotrod oith respect to England. . reasonable to calculate. at no very distant period a to have a foreign supply, we must make up our . :Me. II USKISSON enneeived t hailthee p peal which material change of prices would take place, and I mit's to expect a great deduction from our prettoltisha4l;bee, n suede *by a Noble Lord (Lord Archibald! therefore it would be highly inexpedient to fix at g srowing average. lliatnilton), to general and abstract principles or p 6. thla moment upon the standard of price proposed in Mrs ItOSE continued of opinion, that the Re. economy, totally failed; because the whole flf 1 the resolution of the Committee.. It appeared quite port of last year was such as; he could not attire,. • oar eommalciel and economical system was a systekb impossible T fpr this country, at least for many years ! he Resolutions proposed by his Hors. Friend, too, . of:art:l4oe( expedients. If our other regulations with to come, to grow sufficient corn for the consumption were not founded on enquiry, and therefore could rever* to Ihc price .of commodities...stood upon the j of its itilethitants, and why then should the Legisla - not meet with his concurrence. His Hon...Eriesid -bad; of‘the principles of a free trade, then therel Lure exclude or impede the import of foreign corn, had declared i 4 to be his wish, after ha had found the could ; too ; ogethjeotietrlo leaving retirligticulturaltua s - or attempt to force the export of our own produce. price that would protect theesetewer, to give eneou. ductiens find their own levels" 'But ' while ••onitA Of those who desired this export, he would ask, regement to the importer. So. fai he approaatlA the • cometerce, awl inanufactures• .weets-enoostagedstlefll with a slew to the commercial interest of this coun. k principle• of his Honourable Friend's Reit:aikido ; forced by protections,. by hoeitliess by restraints oh try, what articles they would wish to import in re. but he objected that no etsouiry, had beatkiatie into, importation from ateriesde he saw no reason why the turn? If foreigners ,bought our cure, what articles •for the purpose of ascertaialsigwisether thatentuld be the laws relating to thogeowth of cord should alone equivalent to this nation would they sell us ? Or its effect.. teeye •. form an exceptio*to this general waist of system in ewe • • e would it he for our interest to take the manufactures • Mr. HORNER, anxious togive his reasoitiehetbeettimest;all ether respects. The examples of Holland, or produce of any foreign nation in exchange for vote he should gips to-night, begged this only to be Hamburg it, and Venice, which had . been alluded to our corn ? In fact, the advocates tar the measure tin. kept in view, that if the principle of preventtng,the by the N.oblesLord in support of his argument, ap der consideration, to act consistently with their pro. importation of grain watt to be adopteds the, most peered to him by no,means in point. The two latter, fessed solicitude for the interest of the cons grow- effectual mode in which k could be adopted wise the Hemburgh and Venice, were little.ntore than trading ers, were bound to devise some legislative arrange- best. Thfrltight Hon. Gentleman on the other Ode Wes ; and Holland did not contain a sixth part of mint to protect the farmers from the consequence of j had failed in convincing him that, there was, any feel. the arable land which there Was in this country. — bountiful harvest, and a consequent cheapness in casino for departing from that :system in regard to. Hollend might :days derivea supply of corn, either cur home 'consumption. Were they prepared for the • the Corn Laws, which had hitherto prevailed. .He from this country; If ak......were: at war with the Con• contemplation of such an arrangement? Aud if uot, I was fat from thick's( that freedom in any trada . iia • ,tittetsa y sr from the Coalisebti if she were at war with r • • • Li , P1!.440 . , • , .• • , rir ' s • • minution of the import; whether that p ale irr, w i e ct : diminution might arise from act ua l scarc i ty, ,in some cases would probably occur, 604 political and hostile motives. The effect cf the consisq` uelit variation of ;price on the poorer classes w nu'd be its the highest degree injurious. lie owned that it wool be well if those classes could be taught so much pro. i videece as to economize when the necessaries of life were cheap, in order to enable them to m't a' ps., riod of d..arth; but as this was more than could hs lexpected from human nature, it became the duty of the I.4fistature to mike such arratigemeAs.as wo u ld I plesousosasneir y _es possible mi even supply. T o i effect 111 Is desirable object, the Resolutioepeop o w lily : 114 114 p. Baronet seemed admirably. caltulated• . ; att4 Ips:tiiisted, tisat.neither the lion.-Barotset, p ot .asitelkeetion. Gentleman , would , be divterred - t rom '.eup.piffthig it 'Wetly popular Oamoost that might exist oa the silliest. No one cont.l suspect that *his approbation of the Restyle - 6.m ar,ose from any per:, sicitil hiei'tpeor.'s what was rail:seti the Landed fa. • wrest: •••Sereral other llOn..".oesipvileti, who had inninta,ned the expedieticy or the RA-oletion,• were , similarly situated ; all which distinctly proved that , the Resolution was recoMmendetfnnt by tiny p ar ti a l 'Or selfigla: feelings, bet by iessitleratioes of sound and general .policy. Adverting 4o - the agriculture of Breland, hecontendedlhat the erect of the Resole. tioti.Wsould:ls - materially .to encourage it, a n d thi s was a strong additional inducement .with him to 'Ott for its passing into a legislative enactment. ( Mr: MARRYATT expatiated on the advantages of our..various institutions, aed on the benefits de. rived from,tisetiice balance ! of cotitetoling interests in the eesintiy. .- If any one of these mterests were to obtain a. decided prepoinierawde; the result would be the destruminii,..iti the' firit instance, of the otter interests, - Tint' Ultimately of:itself. •This was the dan ger he apprehended front the Resolution propnsedby the iron. Barone!. If by its influence grain, and with grain the ether necessaries-of life, were ran. dered more expensive, (* . even kept up at their pre. sent price, the agriculturist and landholder might at present benefit, but the artisan•and manufacturer, doomed to:f.etiropseef With' countries to which the . chehinitots.erfood otait yrive'estritordinary advanta : g00,.-would-becornpetied to emigrate, and eventually ' tee lauded interest *Auld - suffer in the general rein. .p* oP t o r. se F Pli S y r t E he it . Ntbi d e ti.eihtbrdt wh e n the c A li. ul p e o l se ld ir 07, he would move the are-commitment of the It.eola-• Ron, in order-to propose as an Amendment, infield I of any duty, o . plohibit 'the importation of grain al . , I together, up tb that price at witicit:.the duty tras . to new, accOrdingth the original Ire*AttiP l l,l„4 6 4t. "Mr. rROTII FRIA -warmly opposed - the • lotion. 4 fie adverted to the opposition . which .he .gad , riOnte other Ifop. r 9etitlemen had givitt lilt Session le the, Reptfrt by de by the Committee on ilds.wahjeo.. :a Report.-which he declaredwis full of eroditievA4 •the avowed object of which was to table the pritisa; corp.—[Coughing. and cries) of Nyi . 1 . No n-lipl, pee ted it, that the avowed objeceOf thelte.pbrVins to raise the price of corn, and he would not be de . teiiedivrony hightone assumed in that Rouse, froth 'speaking' his sentiments, •and advocating the caUse or his Constituents, who Would be seriously injured by the proposed rexulniions. l• Sir H. PARNKLI., observed, that the Bon. Gen [demist' must have read.tne Report tee which he 111 7 luded very imperfectly, to to that it abounded.. ! with cm:lilies, and that the avelvtid object of it was . 1 to raise the price of grain. , Neither of these allege tidiis were well foutilled end_ the Hon. Gentleman ,etago to be more caution* how he spiike of the In: bouts of a Select Committee of that Howse, many of whom where t-en of the highest political attain. talents and discrimination. . Mr. PROTHKIIOK said, that Le should. be happy ,to,have me opportunity•of convincing the Hon. Bare ittet of the accuracy of his character of the Report. . . 1 The F ff .. o r u i s k e e then e ad d t en ided t -.-. . . 4 27 . I diganist it 194 bl.s . i. , rity - 117 On the motion of Mr. FOSTER, the Resolution ;was then ordered to be recommitted this day, with a, 'view to the introduction of his Amendment. The other Order.s of the Day were then dispoW of, and at half past two o'clock this morning the Rouse adjourned.. , —.O•- i • ...YMail'. • .. t. • . Doe • France ~. - - ft - Malta . . ..... • 1 • \ • I (int!enburgb ... r • • I 1 0 ••. : • a ..• . r ... Bremen • .+;.• • - • PllNct ad Wags,. Bop. holiday et the Punic (Vice*. f,114,4, $7 1 4 TES MA N. LONDON:- TUESDAY, MAY 17, . 1814. • A - -E ;4' 111.1...11 , 41 • French Papers, sated the 13th and , i4th is4st qt, arrived this morning, from which we have taken' the • followingextracts. The work of regeneration la the affairs of France' is proceeding with,great rapi dity; and the conduct of the Legislative- Bod; is manifesting so much anxiety to assist it Ise solemn . funeral service for the repose of • Louis. VI.. and the Members of that ;Family is . no — t:the !Mit remark. . able., • PARTS, MAY 14.:—The King yesterday . made following appointments :, • M. D'Ambray , Chancellor.of France (M. de 'tentin is for the present his prosy). o'~if I ... .t , I ti t .~ . • ..:~.~ C z i - = • r • *- .'' ' ) I, / • , s, ft *. . , .. • . 1. . thit count: ; 11( we mglight'%:big74#772o sil.!ir-tedientstotorito thouglsk.this an evil of grower mag • utq than s ow , , m was impractica- nought it best%thatisdatillat tit` out from any foreign Rupplr. if , \ . Gentlenirst teemed ton e. Th tp , ' S t r o ea t s h o e ns C: o rn re ta d d e e ion n He was aware that corn Inalinetvd hicrlattOrll4 b. A it, eeM y o „ , • yto higher reasons thirty- fi fth; but jt might rotte, ificillk wr mea,wi lira That there' was were not taken to encottak illeitoJne ?cll . • 0' ddition, it also ap. be in the proportion of onilenilt, or even one.O t h . - til:ovealilm tirereTillr:hriegirtaminusf: (ro d ' ' 2 tl was the very worst Nothing could he more dangerous to the safety m i d . e in th i s system — tranquillity of the country, than by accustoming it d eg ; ul t a o r_a p t4 o 7 e tt i t . a to br a oa r remaking the great or elh'll d ig i ! ie N d lem o b n e t r i s lis wl s i e o co n t p ld - that case result from a pudden stoppage, elenran nn whirl, that t minution of the imuort - whrsthbr thoi► ..n..-.. the a d , . C t , ,:,