The Statesman. — London, England, 1820-08-24 00:00:00

o f Uri IL w isonouom—DW Theodore always deep is the hold ?—1 do not know. Where did Bergami sleep in the voyage from Jaffa ? _Th er e were two beds under the tent. When the Kest was open a small bed could be seen in which was H i d Helvetii any other known I:47st sleep in but be wa "t T—When the Princess and i slept under the wet I did not flee them; but I ass morally certain do t the Prioress and Bergami slept ender the tent, be muse the horses made a great noise, and they said they co ld sot bear to sleep below. trues were the beds placed in the voyage from Jai which the witness described in the voyage from Tunis, —On the sofa there was only left a single mattress eit the Princess's. The other mattresses were placed e• the bed below. The witness has stated that the cabin was divided is tw p and that the bed for Bergami was in the dining , " o rs. I with to know where the beds were placed, and sot the mattresses merely ?—The bed of the Princess fria ined where it was. As to Bergausi's bed, when he r .,t op it was rolied up. It was not on a bedstead, hat i t ass pot down on the planks of the corridor, and was "nod up in the morning. Did soy alteration take place in the arrangement o f the beds during the voyage from Tunis to Jaffa? _whom drew a plan of the arrangement made ea soyar.e, and stated, that the only alteration was, that the bed of Bergami was placed in the dining room sear the door. we Bergami's bed made for him every night daring the "Mr from Jaffa ?—1 cannot tell what took plan in do ineetesents of the Prioress ; I did not go into them o ar when the Princess landed or any of bee sait4 at which periods I went in to render any midst sue that was wanted; it was then I saw Bergamot's bed was dom. lid no person sleep where Majocci used to sleep?-- When Majocci had his bed lower down, Camera slept is the apartment. How matey tents were provided on the journey to Je rnsalem?-1 do not know the number ; there were se veral. Br the Loan CHANCILLOR.—Where did the female at tendants sleep during the voyage from Jaffa?- A cabin war assigned to them. By Lord BELHAVRIL—Did witness see a light put front under the tent after the parties in it had retired to rest's--The light was sometimes put under the tent ; sometimes through an opening. Who took the light from under the tent or from the opening ?--Ditferent persons. Sometimes one; some times another took it away. Do you know who gave the light ?---No. Did it remain for some time in the tent after every thing might be arranged ?•—lt did not remain beyond the time when every thing might be arranged in the tent. Did any person sleep in the dining-room during the voyage from Jaffa ?—Am I to speak of what I saw with my own eyes, or what I beard other persons say ? Mr. Darman begged leave to object to the question being answered in any other way than according to the rules established in courts of justice, namely, as to what the witness himself saw or beard. The Loan Csarecatton sustained Mr. Denman's ob jection. Lord Bunter, said be only meant for the witness to state what he had seen. Ad any person sleep in the dining room daring the Ttlifre fmm Jaffs ?-1 do not know. By the Earl of DAIIINLAT.—Does the witness know wipetiter the Princess took off her clothes at night ? Wiles the Princess and Bergami slept on deck I often 4 ,o4,llllAlliticery _o_tet the teat a little, dressed in a a - _ %get a minythful of air be&Thre soft-rim By Lord Ehhrusnitoccn.—Did you ever see Bergansi lash out of the tent at the same time with the Princess ? —No ; the Princess only opened the tent so as merely to zee a little air. Mr. DZ.:IMAM wished to ask the Same of the vessel at Messina, in which witness had a share ?—Witness rove the name which we could sot catch accurately. Does it belong to the port of Messina ?—Yes. What are the names of year patens. the other part owners ?—Witness gave the names. By a Pcce.—Conld any one hear in the room below what passed in the tent when it was closed ?—Yes. The Loan CIi•XCELLOII said it was sow live o'clock, and the proceedings would close for the day. Before, however, the House separated, he wished to state that he had advised with persons of competent knowledge upon the vihject. for the purpose of ascertaining whether a prmeention would lie against an individual giving false evidence before their Lordships. The result was, that there was no doubt that such a prosecution would lie. The only objects, therefore, to be looked se were, that their Lordships Privilege+ should not stand isk,the war of any such prosecution, and that it should not be unientood that any thing had occurred to call for such a prosecution. He therefore proposed to move a Rem lotion to-morrow, that their Lordship should suspend their Privileges, so as to allow of a prosecution for per jury in any case of evidence given before the Howse in be coarse of these proceedings. Adjourned. THE QUEEN. STATESMAN-OMM THIS DAY, Two feCLICIt. ......40.-- HOUSE OF LORDS. Atm. ft. The Hems Greed at the usual boar. nod altar prayers, COUniel aid their assistants were called to the Is,. Bumimatioa of Vincenzo Oarginlo. A new whams appeared at the Bar this ineralag. His aforanurea was respectable. Hein called by the nano of llamas° Gargiulo, the usual oath was ad misistared by Br. Cooper, the Clerk of the House. MT. WILLIAM", 011• 11( the gesee's GOODS'', rose be- r he isk wile4 e lise MOMS sad Bergassi ems ea beard fore say got-Woos were pet to the witness, to address tdm vowel they ombariged from Aollego ? Ymt she easels at amts. t" House. He .14 he did " I °lee jetredeee 1 2 Did she vi the anapaest of the eshiasTc-She sew diseossioe, hat I. was desirous asides , their Lo du sad eta v e l a deg* hi she wen la b e a f ea d . shi " deeige " el/ e e = nee of grist k t eeesace te away dews led from thWiLsg-rooss lap the the Mist:ism; perms 'swam was the sallieet tabiao—Teo. l es e ri a i r 7i n Th eesserf e "' dee . Asyberesiseleilliabwe to a rertiwbr ine fa r - th. en l e n n k t h he of le t ft b . e two did she order to he closed I—The provided they have a deem* splint of that Mel. was n o w b as way was is d ea d ?—le was maned up. competent to. sake i s sash ; Seta P allas i all i bttaba Was *we toy *obis sostigoess to the dialog note sworn as a waitress la the sow and ounnomposs which that d e l whet the deer was silted ma...ne, was. he admits to be " his eeeedesee i kily beesese as oe — Afisr the soils sohoolod wise *walla that cable oath taken ander these forms was emeeet to be The twe mows wed' D owd an d is swase , binding. la the ease of Nouweroe and hpher, so so- w ha the ea u. aa s h, s id e next & a d ew lowly desideol, the r ode, was , whether pima hay- toss was-4.l;i_Bergel. Etlidee the riaaaa " aid er ad' be was there aai valor suede of goini4o 7 the dieing a wham. Alter aloes dimwits's. the roo m, nap litoogh thee cabin of i ?—Theso de " P ere " adeli " ed le whines ' wee te be was a ladder that west we deck, sad the which lei sworn aapietiag or diet ceremony which be admits to to &maid . s ewe be met l i st ut see Ile ewe eoweeiewee. If a adoese l A T h ia t i - w i tet h er th e l a dd er w hi c h went on d ec k a u * 1 e1 1811.11 ° 01 .• Ng ow gy red wits to flo r° ll toseedimeelv iota the dining roes ?— There was a lade the ham mea t a j dar te lg a i tur r araini ," "_ ber Mai& mei late the &deg ries% bet there was faith. dirt woad net —AAA sight be does& !ifs". ° as oath. a d i k "" d "' way fisee *as bosh-way wen &sett was there ly sk et renal!' relieved fires t h is alma eblicesirms. s- reed into the Mein reset. esespi Ihroogh the The beao COAMILLIS observed. that then mad so doubt i melho law AMA by the Leasesid Cootlllt ?- " Na * Mr. W eg g N M he w as a go g% gaga t Was she bed et the Memo e •• dome Ih ry bed II to WOe if dm salsa as Or ?-11 was &sunk het ad host. • THE EITATESIIAN. mks was an !talkie aad a Somas Catholic, whether, 0.1 cording to the forma swearing in him ow* osustry, a wit•' OM was Dot bound to undergo a ceremony previous to taking as oath, and whether his oath without that prf riots. ceremony would be binding ? He submitted to their Lordships that it was competent to the Qeeen's Counsel to ask the witness, in the Language of Lord Chief Justice Parker, whether he had been sworn In the way that affected his conscience. Mr. Baotronsw adverted to a ease decided by Lord Mansfield, in which that Learned Judge observed, that as the purpose was to bind the witness's conscience, every man was to be bound by that form which bound his conscience most. Was it not for this, it might be open to his Learned Friend., on the other side, to say, if a man believes in clod it is enough. Lord Mansfield goes further, he Pays, every man must be bound by that form which binds him most. In a case in which a Chinese was sworn at the Old Bailey, en a charge of mur der, a saucer was held up awl broken to pieces, and by that ceremony he considered himself bound. That was the way he was sworn in his own country. The Lotto Cu ItiCELLOR asked Counsel what question he meant to put ? Mr. IYILLIAINS.-4 wish to ask whether be has been examined as a witness in his own country ?—Whether he has seen a witness sworn, and whether there are not other ceremonies in the country to which be bnlongs, which he considers necessary to bind his conscience. Loan CHANCELLOIL—The witness may be asked whe ther be considers the oath now taken to be binding on his conscience. Lord It 11,SliINE supported the arguments of Counsel. Mr. BROUOII A m.—Our object is not to inquire whether he is bound by the oath just administered, but whether there is not another ceremony necessary to bind his con science? Earl Ofter supported the last view• of the question. Lord REDESDALE said, every foreign witness ex amined in Courts of Justice for years past, must hare been improperly sworn and examined if the objection taken by Counsel in this instance was to be supported. The LORD CHANCELLOR then drew np the following question to be submitted to the Judges : " If a witness takes an oath in the usual form, ran it be asked whether the oath taken is binding on his con science, and can he be asked whether any other mods of takir!g an oath would be more binding on his con science:. Lord ERSKINE observed, that a man must assign al reason for not taking an oath ; if he did take it, be must take it in the way he considered most binding ed his conscience. The Earl of Livenenot said, in almost every awl where the form of administering an oath had been dis puted, the witness had objected to take the oath. Here there was no objection. The question n-as then submitted to the Judges who retired to consider their decision. Earl Dattxt.ry asked whether the witnesses examined had been kept from those who had not been examined, and whether the Noble Earl at the head of his Majesty's Councils had taken care to separate therm The Earl of lavinroot..---1 do not know that any het terference with the witnesses was necessary on the pt 4 of the Crown. It is impossible to prevent these whose. sea from associating together. All that could he don, to prOiente the ends o bee knee *weeded so. , lay an injunction on f ta l t re itnesees not to converse (ether, is all that the ofEcen of the crown as do. The Earl of WixvitgLoca rose to suggest that t House be furnished with sketches of the roams and a meats described by the witnesses. He thought the asap would ke better able to judge of the statements if the/ had that, sort of information. A sketch made yesterday by the Mate of the Ship gave more information to the House than could have been obtained by a long exam's,. ation. The Earl of autum' then renewed the subject of the witnesses. He (lid not expect any advantage to be derived from any injunction to be laid on the pe examined and those not examined. It was ludicrous to suppose that would have any effect. The Earl of LIVERPOOL observed that it was corn at the Assizes to see witnesses remain together at dm inn, and no one ever endeavoured to prevent the a ciation of persons coming from the same town to at on the same business. The Earl of DARNLEY strongly endeavoured to bes; press on the House that some steps ought to be takeil to keep them apart, in order that no prejudice might be done to the Queen. The LORD CusxcaLLoa stated, that, in case of ewe prosecutions is Courts of Justice, against any of the whams, appearing at that bar, the proceedings there Whig place might be adduced in evidence. Chief Justice Ansorr stated, that in reply to their Lordship's question, that they were of opinion, if the witness stated that the oath was binding on hie, the question could not be put to him whether he could take another mere binding, because the divine vengeance was the utmost penalty that could be incurred in sidles case. The whams was then called in, and stated, in reply to the questions pet Whim by theSolicitorMeneral, that he was owner and doter of the vessel called the la dnstry, which weal's' inset engaged ter the purpose * conveying the Primes sad her suite hem Aromas tt Tunis and Orme. His poker* was hired et Messina and at Avesta her age! Ingham came on board. Had the dlotribedeo et tie cabins bees made bean embethed ?—T— Did-alegansi enduse to weepy his eabiw. oe Ad he Aeneas* Asap it ?-I',o nights be slept in his owe cabin, sad then slept in the dialing room on a sofa. Where was that sofa situated?-0n the right band. Was it ea situated that a person sleeping in it could see into the bed of the Princess ?—Yes, if the door was open. About bow many English feet were they distant ? Ten to twelve. Did any body sleep in or beyond the dining room to wards the stern, except Bergami, the Princess and the Dowse d Ifineneur f—No, only those three. Will you ask the witness whether this continued during a great part of the voyage ?—Till the end of June; the Princess came on board st the end of March —then on coming to Jaffa the air became warmer, and the Princess chose to sleep on the deck in a tent. After the horses, seven in number, with two asses, were put on board she always slept on deck. What sort of beds ware put under the tent ?—A sofa for the Princess, and a travelling bed was put up for Bergami. Where did Berganii slerp after leaving Jaffa ?--linder the tent, together with the Princess, on two different beds. Here some conversation In an under voice took place between the interpreter on the part of her Majesty and themther, the former objecting to the interpretation of the latter, on which Mr. 111not:onAss stepped forward, and was about to acquaint their Lordships that an exception was taken to this interpretation, when he was called to order from several parts of the House. The Learned Gentleman was about to remonstrate on this attempt to put him down when' The SOLICITORMENZRAL interposed, and complained of the interruption thus caused. Mr. BROUGHAM.—II is not to you I speak, it is not you that interrupted, you cannot interrupt. A PEER from the cross-benches near the Bar, stated in a tone of complaint, that conversations were carried on between the Interpreters and the Counsel, which their Lordships did not hear. Mr. BROUONIAM—IIy Lords, if it be your Lordships wish not to hare the best interpretation, I certainly shall say no more ; hut I can only say, that we are not accustomed to do business in this way. The very order of your Lordships House makes it necessary that that conversation complained of between the interpreters should go on ; or else there need not be two interpreters at all. I hope and trust your Lord ships will allow business to be done is the only way it eon be dose! ! (cries of hear, hear, from s al Lords.) The Interpreter was then ordered to repeat the wit ness's answer in holism, which he did, as follows:-- " Sotto la team +vivito a la Principessa."--- Beneath the tent, together with the Princess ; and, upon asking the witness, be sa,id, he meant in two beds. How long did I3ergand continue to sleep in this man ner ?—Until they landed at the Porto Atm. Ask whether at night the tent was open, or whether it was closed all round ?—During the night the tent was clotted. _ Who ceserally closed the tent ?-1 was commanded to dose it said I commanded to others. Wes is Altai no one could see into it?---1 stopped it ways as well as I could with pieces of cancan. Was the tent closed ?—He pinned it down. Dill witness often see the Princess when the tent was open ?—Yes. Was her Royal Highness in bed at such times?—ln bed, foe the most part. Where was Bergman when the witness saw the Prin cess in bed P—Oeserally in the tent. Did be see Bergami come of the tent on a morning, when he first made his appearance?—Yes, generally. Wu he always dressed at such time, or not ?—Always entirely dressed . When the tent was closed, was there any light within it ?—lf there was light, it must come from without ; and if it blew strong, the light was carried away. Who was in the habit of taking the light, belonging to the tent, away, when it was handed out ?—The wit ness generally. Wise handed one the light ?—Bertami. Did the Princess lie down on die bed, during the day/—Often. Did she do so sometimes after dinner 2—Yes. Has witness seen Bergami there at the same time?---- Yes. _ _ _ Has witness closed the tent. when her Royal Highness and Bergami were there, as he has described ?—Yes. Was that after dinner?-Sometimes. When the tent has been so closed down, with the Princess and Bergami in it, bow long did it remain closed down ?—About half an hour, or a quarter, or an hour. The witness has said, he has seen the Prince's on her bed, where was Bergami at that time ?—For the most pacts theme!! bed. witness closed the tent, leaving them so?--Yes. In what position was BerKaini in, when witness saw him on the small bed ?—Lytog on his back. Did ihe Princess see Bergand so lying Did the Princess take the bath at any time ?—Yes. More than once ?—Yes. ljjp yo u remember her going below on such occasions? Who went below with her ?—fiericami. On all these occasions, did Bergaint go below with her Royal Higiness?—Yes: and in all operations. On occasions which rendered it necessary for die Princess to go below, did Bergami go with her ?--Yes: he went down with ser, when she went to the valet elbset. nave yen, at any dine, seen Bergatni sitting on the deck ?--Yes. Have yen ever seen the Princess on such occasions? Describe what you have seen.-1 have seen Bergnesi sitting on a Rea, and the Princess sitting on his knee. When the Princess walked on the deck, did she tale Bergawl's ares ?—Yea. Have you sees any jokes frees Bergami ?-1 have. Have you ever wen these in presence of the Princess ? Tea The witness here gave a hulieress description, 11111, these jokes were done to make the Princess laugh. Berger, he said, bedtime bees *ashore for 2= l hoard shoat tee at night. The Pat went into the test, and it was shoed, remained aft night. When asepsi remised runless, is had the Order of $l. Sepulchre, • Certdini. Whams was examinee as sods* fads he Tiewes.-41e was salami is am* hen I to he etwowleal, het W *hider oilseed wow te lessieue dellarblee swede, bet le ON MIN *fogy by disilif• . • Oa iliesday, with Curs, Prise Sis " WON MI RICORDO ! or, a eIItntAXINA. IN viola EITRAMIDTVAIIt j &slag d free Parody ea a late Extraordinary Cross-Examination. Printed for William Hone. Ludgetkhill. *.• LOST, at the Coen-Martial, Signor MY JOCKEY'S MEMORY, together with his Government Victualling Bill ; both a Md. damaged, sad of no use bat to the Owner. — Whoever will bring them to tho Publisher in time to be re stored to the Widow's dlaeonaolete Mother. Mrs. Laden, shall be rewarded with a " No ml Rieordo !" _ St. Rharmerenterr.—lfoftday al the 144blie Offiees. MOH WATER AT LONDON BRIDGE To-noutanw. Morning, IS min. after $.—E v ening, SO ann. after S. ate totattilmatt. " 7111 ITATIIII4II,I la INCOR 00000 PO WITII " 1118 ITATRIMAM..• LUND() N: 1111:114DAT rvEXING, AVUL'hT 24, 0420. The examination of Majocei was ronclusled yester day. Consistently with that virtuous principle which prompted him to expose and ruin his Mistress and his Benefactress, he declared, when asked what motive had impelled him to seek his discharge from her ser vice, that it was " because her Royal Highness was surrounded by Geld people!" Whether he meant this character in a moral sense, or only as a domestic speaks of his fellow servants or his master when they thwart his private views, is rather doubtful ; notwitb• standing hr said that at a subsequent time he declar. ed, that " rather than go again into the service of her Royal Highness, he would go and eat grass." It appears, indeed, to have referred to som..thing in the family that affected his per sonal rather than his moral feelings; for it came out that be afterwards wished to be restored to the service of her Royal Highness, and he could not well account how he was led to express the wish. But his motives and his evidence are now displayed before her htsicsrv's Judges, to as great an extent as it was pos sible to derelope thpui. There was, as we yesterday observed, no little difficulty in extracting what was most desired to be known. The Signor had treacheroto memory !—and where is the wonder ? Was that inconsistent with his character ? o' The accusers of the Qver.x affect to be well satis fied with this man's evidence. Much good niay it do them ! We suspect that they are glad he has come off so well ; and so we are convinced is he. The Journals of his friends that made so many remarks on the cum• tiou of the QUEEN, on his appearance on Monday. be fore her in the House of Lords, took no notice of the agitation he manifested in the same place the follow log day. That day was not warm; the 'weather mast have felt chilly to an Italian constitution ; and vet, he was in such a melting state, that the drops chased each other down his sallow visage, like " iron tears from Pluto's cheeks." But he did not commit Annecy; nor was he committed, as had been reported; and that must be a great consolation to his present employers. This adds to the triumph they have acquired by the use they bare made of this convenient man. What as achievement to have been able to convert against hisosis tress, a servant who had been her close and constant at tendant for the space of three years! I n the untried scenes and countries through which the Unfortunate Exile had been induced or urged to pass, in perils both by land and sea, in perils among robbers, and in perils among false brethren, she had been driven to resort to means for protection as well as recitation, unusual to those at home and in security and ease. What oppor tunities, then, for false colouring and distortion of facts ! for the conglomerated recollections of a treach erous memory ! for the fabrication, the invention, and the suggestion of others to supply defects and 'does a tale! What character has a chance of standlis nnimpeacbed in circumstances like these! Who cap bear the privacies even of a regular and domestic life, to be watched and scrutinised ? " No man," says an accurate observer of human life, " appears a Heto to his valet de (hombre." Yet the whole condnett, pursuits, and manners of a Woman, under circum stances the most strange and trying that any ever suffered of her illustrious birth, are made to u the malignant review of a low domestic, and to estimated by the misrepresentations of a mercenary informer ! In comparing the Reports of the several Morning Papers to-day, of the evidence of &seems* /Wormy, the mate of the Polacre, they all, with the exception of one, represent the witness stating, " I know that the PRINCESS and lianmant slept on deck, Weasels every body said so." In the Itepert of The .Near Time, however, it is alleged the witness saki, " I know that BULGER! and the Pounces' slept together. because every body on board said so." There is a ma terial difference in these statements I 11111111 TING TO ADDRESS TEE i van...-Alrestonisy a Meeting of the inhabitant householders of the Ward of Cripplegate Without, was bald in the body of St. Oiles's Church, Cripplegate, for the parr's* of voila( an Address of Coegratsiation to her Majesty. Al derman Wood presided, and was supplied by many • of the respectable persons of the above Ward. The pews and galleries were crowded to essay. Several resolutions, expressive of their high admiration of her 'Majesty, were tarried, and the Address was anent moody agreed to. A Deputation was then formed to wait on her Majesty to ascertain at what time she would be graciously pleased to receive the Address. Within this weak more than twenty addresses to her Majesty, have bean transmitted to awn for presenta tion. Among these received is one from the tows of Ludlow, another free the Inhabitants of Metes, a third from the Illareagh of Bridport, protested by Scott the Member, holies the address from Worces ter, by Colonel Davis, sad that from tba Borough a Boston. by Mr. Oilier' Beathaote. • understand . , my . • ....... . 1.111)5 WON Ny Al T. UIIU E11w....• We uodentaad that smelt of the Itsfiait,llllllo. ... criptiolk sad may be trusted at tarp, pre seralsaiii OW= - : " we ftra r k • in by bermes from the Home Olkw ► to all or three days. g' • • places of atnusemest la the metropolis. • • prisms sad sed, atlik tbar, , The number of waveless astosaled to be efillelsed sod from .W against tba geese, are, it is eutfereseed. else 41 1 16 e/ • e, sad .1 Rt. sad tiliription. 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