The Statesman. — London, England, 1820-09-05 00:00:00

Pe" 10 .. t " .• . 4 . • • • • • 11:• . ; • swear rne, hnt told me I was to swear to the truth of what I said before a tri b unal. Did the witness then take out a cross to kiss it ?—He did not. Did you not then become the most active agent of th Com•nission ! The So L icivon-thrs lam, objected to this question. Mr. Dart +N. Never mind it. Were you not a very active agent of the Commission IVAS nut an agent. They gave me orders as a Courier, which was my pro fession. Than von were employed as a Courier by that Com mission !—Yes. Where did you first go in that capacity ?--Into West phalia. It here did you go to there ?—I trent to Cassel, to a man of the name of Credi, to ask kin, to come to Milan. J►iJ you yourself persuade Credi to go to Milan ?••• I did. Old you not offer him money to go?•-.1 did not. What did you say to induce hum to go said, the Ad. rocate at Milan wanted him, and that both his expenses in going. and returning would he paid. Where did you go nest p—Tnn Frankfort. Who did you see at Frankfurt saw Credi. Who else . :-1 saw at a distance Frisson. catch the name)—but I did not speak to her. Who is she was one of the Princeess's raids who had been examined. Did you see any other witness at Frankfort ?—I did not. I saw this woman by chance at the Inn, but I did not speak tot her. Did you go back with Mr. Cook to Mil a n ?—1 did. ____ What was the neat journey you made as courier ? I went to Paris with dispatches tur Lord Stewart, and hack. Do you mean that the dispatches were for Lord Stewart, the Ambassador at Vienna, or Sir Charles Stew Art, the Ambassador at Paris":—l mean Sir C. Stewart, the Atn!)assador at Paris. Where did you next go upon this business du rmt exactly know• where, but I made several small journey& Ilieqtestion was repeated. Ido not know any particular journey after. Lately I hare come to Encland with eleven witnesses. Were von ever at Vienna?-1 hare nut. _ _ Ilad you any other means of getting your bread atb r you left the service of the Princess ?—Yes, I have petsion; and besides that, I carry on toy trade as a coat:hinaker. Ho you know Enrico Rovizzo *:--1 do not; nut that I know of. Recollect—lie is a man of Lodi do not know Hare you off, red nobody money to come here as a wi!ness have not. Have you persuaded several be,ides tredi to come ? ---Credi Ilia not coeue uitli me. Did you never try to persuade Angolina Dragoni to rome ?—No ; I %puke to hint in confidence, but never erdeasuureil to mike him come. What are you to hale fir coining here —Nothittg. What do you expect to have —Nothing ; they hate we nothing ; I have nothing to expert. It ho are the persons you came with ?—I Loon• some of Clem by sight. _ _ . . Le witness enumerated their names. Harr you ever srell Col. Browne have. Where did you see him ?—.%t his house where I wert to take letters and dispatches. Have you been in any service Illide you left the Pr:riet , ,?—la no other, except any employment as a cuta!-ier. o:ti you never seek after Dragon' ?-1 was some t:_res luokine afG r him, as we were friends; Litt not ua this business ; sometimes lee was looking after me. I);d you never 0.1. him money: I did nut. had you ever any conversation with Captain Vassali respecting' the cause of your discharge I.—l 144br. _ Did you not tell him anv thing about the corn ?—I did mr b y so. I only said that I was discharged because I crlied them thel" fakers. W ft% it an open carriage, in which y ou saw Bergami and the Princess !---It WJI a carriage fur two, with the top open. The moment he came for further orders, he saw the hand withdraw, front the part uncovered. Was that part oil u kids he saw the hand shove the &prim !--The apron Jid nut reach as far ; there was only a cloak which cmvered it. flow frr beyond the carriage were you when you turned back to receive orders few pares. You were in th • habit of sto;)i.ing at that place to receive orders ?—Not always. I suwetiwes received orders at setting out. But when you had not received orders at setting ont, you went back to receive them at that place?---- Not always. It was only two or three times that the Princess gave• orders there. I.ut you had stopped there once, twice, or three times to receive orders ?---She did give orders, but this occasion was the first dote on which she did so. Did yon see the hand of the Princess on Remand as you mentioned, distinctly ?—Very distinctly, I saw the Princess take away her hand and I was ashamed to see her do so. -- --- What o'clock was thi•?—Two, or half-past. la a public road ?—Yes. On which side was the Princess sitting'—The Princess was on the left ; Bergauii was on tie right driving the horses. Whom flifl you first tell this story to ?—I never told it to any body till I told it to the Commission. How long was that after you saw it ?—Eleven months Or a year. Tell us what month it was in that you saw this ?—1 don't know precisely, but it must have been the end of November or beginning of December. 1 what year ?—ISI7. Who was living at the villa at that time ?—There was Majocci and Fraocois. I want to know those he was most intimate with?-- I did not have any intimate friends, because 1 was the chief, and did not give any confidence to any one. Ask whether the Princess did not remove her heed as soon as she saw him ?---She did. How long after was It that she turned you away ? don't know precisely, a month or six weeks. Lord Livnaroot..—The witness says he had a pen sion from the Italian Government ; on what occasion was that pension granted ;—I received it on account of seven or eight years service in the Republic of Hem*. Whew did you first receive it T—ln ISIS, but it was grassed in lead. Moss the proses' Uoverunmest a Milan resew your peados ?—Yes. THE SiATESNIAk What is the wnount of it ?--•z.;,) livres. 'Lori L toscanst.a.----When the witness went nn to the carriage of the Princess to ask which road he I was to take, did he get an answer ?--Yes. I was told ; to the causeway, and to the right hand side. Who gave him thst order ?—The Baron. Was that order given before you saw the Princesss's hand or not ?—.t the moment I saw the hand, the Baron said, to the cause way. Then he received the order and saw what be has communieved at the same moment? I neard the order and went directly. Griseree Gall sworn. Dv Mr. Pses.-1 am a native of floxani in Italy, and by occupation a waiter, and lived at the inn called the Crown at Messina, the post-house half way between Milan and Como. I remember the Princess of Wales stopping at that !nu three different times. The first time she stopped in her carriage to take breakfast, about three years ago. Bartolomo Bergami was in the carriage. 'floe second time she came was six weeks after this, when she breakfasted and dined. (in that oc casion the Baron arrived half a quarter of an hour be. fore the Princess, and the Princess a quarter of an hour after him. At dinner he observed them take delicate morsels off each others plates and offer to one another. The Princess occupied two rooms, Nos. 7 and s. There was one door in No 7, and two in No. M, one of which opened into No. 7. After dinner when the Princess and Bergaini were alone in the room, he observed the hand of the Baron on the Princess's shoulder, and at the mo ment he was going into the room he was giving a kiss to the Princess. Witnesadid not enter for the Baron told hint to go away. They left the inn that night in a charaban— a earring!e in which persons sit as it is rre on horseback— " a pole is put upon two posts, and there are two Reefs in which you may sit cross-legged." There was no person, no servants with them when they went in this way. Bergami sat astride and the Prince,' sat pro perly. Cross-examined by Mr. DRNMisr—ln what year was this—wh.it time?—About November or De.einber ; be fore Christmas. In what year year was it ?—ln ISI7 1 believe. Is your place the stage at which the Princess was at custoineol to change horses between Como and Milan —When the horses were changed they tient to another inn, near the horses, the Post Howe. . _ But Lkbuilt° is the stage between Como and Milan —Yes. Were there not eight or ten persons in the sui►e of the Princess ?—Tior re were. Hu you know any of them ?—There were two latiies, dames h , the daughter of the Huron (a little girl), a Professor Mochetti. an English Gentleman, and others n how I did not know, for it was the second time they were at the inn. By the Pr.ees. By the Earl of LAUDICKDALIS—War it the first or Se cond time the Princess was as the inn yon have spoken of:—The second time. Between the first and second time, how long was it ? —About three weeks. When the witness wal ordered to quit the room after dinner, did vou know how long they remained there ? —About haft an hour. In that time did any one go into the room ?—The tier 4 rants. No, the company might have gone into it from the second room. The witness was ordered to withdraw. The Lotto CIIANLLI.I.OII said, th before another witness was called, lie would take the opportunity to state the result of his inquiries, as to the Minutes en tered in the Journals relpectin7 the letters which had been proved by the witness Demont. Two letters hail been g iven _ in and read, and one was proved but not given in. He was now enabled to state, that nothing ap peared on the Minutes previa"; to the reference 'nude or the lodges. irseept.tespecting the two letters which had been produced. No question was put respecting the sub stance of the third letter, except that a line and a half was skews the witness to know whether it was her hand writing. As there was se little, he supposed there could be no objection to the Minutes remaining as they were. Mien he saw them were the curtains wide open 2---; They were. By the Marquis of LaNscrowste.—Had the witnese any conversation with other boatmen at the time, res pecting the circumstance he has just alluded to ?--No. Did the witness never mention the circumstance of having seen the kissing till he saw Vimacarti, Examined by his Grace the Duke of HAMILTON. I wean distinctly to state, that my brother or ano ther person (whom witness named) was with we at the time: I can't say which; I swear that I never made any observation to the people about we ; we had our •wn business to attend to. Here there was a lund cry of " withdraw, withdraw," bat some Noble Lord, whose name we could not learn, persisted in desiri►►g that the witness ►night be called bark, that his Lordship might put a question to him. The witness was accordingly called back, and the Noble Peer put his question. It was in substance, whether the witness had ever mentioned any part of what he had now stated to any person before his examination at Milan. On referring to his former examination the question was found to he unnecessary, inasmuch as the witness had already answered it. I he House then adjourned at 5 o'clock. THE QUEEN. STATEILILIN.OMCA THIS DAY, Twe tenors. HOME OF LORDS, TUESDAY, fiarr. 5. (SIVINTEINTH DAT.) Prayers were read by the Bishop of Winchester, after which the Peers were called over. The defaulter, were Lords Falmouth and lielotore. Counsel were then called in. Gmiseppe Sserhi was then railed in and sworn. He is a MAU of gentlemanly and prepossessing ap pearance. Examined by Mr. AT To:lxxv-Orwansi.. Of what country arc you ?----Of Guivhimo. IVere you ever in the service of the Princess of Wales ?—Yes. When did you enter her service ?----On the 7th of Nov. 1516. Where w•as the Princess then residing ?--At the d'Este. How long did you continue in her service ?--A •ear. What was your situation in her service when you first entered it ?--A courier. Did you remain in that character, or did you after wards sustain any other was for some months a courier and afterwards was promoted to the office of Equerry. How lung aid you remain at Villa ti'Eate ?—Absant six weeks. Du you know Bergami ?--I do. Was he at the Villa d'Este ►wen you entered the Princess's service ?—He was. Soon after you entere.l the service of the Princess were you sent with any dispatch to die Duchess of Parma ?-1 was. Did you bring back any answer to the Princess ?-1 brought another dispatch. Where was the Princess when you brought the dis patch ?—At dinner. Wausty one with lter ?—Yes. Bergand. To lama did you deliver the dispatch I—To her Royal High mess. Whet did she do with it ?—She read it and then leR it on the table. Did any one take it up?—llergami took it up when her Royal Hives% turned towards me to make some in quiry. He renal it without asking permission. Do you recollect after that being sent to Milan?-1 was sent the beginning of the month of September, with the dispatch to a governor near that place. Did you receive any direction on that occasion as to bringing back the answer ?---I was told to bring back the answer the same night. Bid you return to Villa d'Este that night or next morning ?---1 retutned immediately after midnight. Were did you then go i--1 dismounted, went into the kitchen, and inquired for Bertrand. in consequence of the answer where did you go ? I went to the apartment of licrgand. (Here a;slight chasm will appear in our report of the evidence, in c.msequence of the delay occasionml by our reporters relieving each other. The delay, how• ever, is only that of a few minutes.] What dress had he un besides hi; dressing-gown N I law nothing else but his shirt. Wh e n was it that you saw Berganti ?---I saw him in a room where there is a door opitosite to his own room. ('an you tell where he came from then ?--No, I could nut see it was so dark. Where did that door lead to of vlaich you spoke? —To two wore rooms. Who occupied those 'trouts ?—No one. Do you know where the Pritteess slept?—\o. Do you know where her bed-room was?—No. While you were at the Ville d'Este have you ever sees the Princess and Defend together ?--Several times. Where ?--I have seen them walking in the garden. How were they walking ?----Arm in arm. While you were at the Villa &Este do you recollect taking a letter to Uenernl Pino from the Princessi— - I ds,. Did you bring back any answer from the General ? --I broiled a verbal message. To whom did you deliver it I—To the Princess. Where was the Princess, when you delivered the mes sage her own anti-chamber. Whereahout was that I—lmmediately on the right up stales was a corridor, and on the left was her Royal Highness's chamber. Was that near where you saw Dergami I—Yes, it was. I mean where you saw him at night ?—Yes, I mean so too. How near the anti-chamber did you see Bergaini ? —On tie same corridor on the right, opposite to her ! Royal Highness's door, leading into a room that led t o a nother, sod in that I saw Bergami. You say that the Princess used to walk arm in arm with Bergami, how did she generally address him?— By tawnier and coolitiential expressions. What were they have heard her call kiss "sy easel," " my love," " my heart." Md von make any arrangenseot of the roan at the for bee Royal Highness ?—Yes. I gave the "best *panatelas se bet Royal Highness and the ladies ; and pet the ratlamse d separate. Grisrppe Pelforto eramined. lab! trade a baker ; he baked bread fur the Princess of Wales at the Villa el'Este before her long vorege to Greece. After her return from Oreece he remembers seeing her in the garden with Bergaini sitting on a bench ; Itergami was making love to her, and kirsin l • her, with his arm round her neck ;—(laughter)-- when he got up, the Princess took hold of him by the coat and polled him bark again. He remenibertd seeing them both in the kitchen; Bergami took a spoonfnl of polentia (parritch,) and gave hAlf of it to the Princess, and then eat the other half himself. Gaiseppe Gmilchi called in and sworn. By Mr. Pasta.—l am a native of Italy; am a boatman ; I have carried the Princess in my boat as much as .10 miles on the Lake of l'oteto ; I attended her on the lake when she was at Villa d'F.ste ; Itergami was always with her, and sometimes the Vice Prefect of the place; there was a Theatre at Como; lierrami was with her when she welt to the Theatre, in my boat; I observed something between them ; I hare seen them kiss more than once ; about four times; I worked also in the pantry, at the house of the Princess, at so much a day ; I have seen them, when in company, take them selves away, and lock themselves in the room ; I mean the bed-room of the Princess. Cross-examined by Mr. was examined at Milan. I was taken then by was a foreign name difficult to eateh.)-1 was examined at the house of the Advocate Vimacarti. I first mentioned all this to Vimacarti ; that was the first time I mentioned it at all. lam quite sure I never spoke of it before. 1 was fmtapplisd to is the month of Jaunary, 3 years ago. What I saw in the pantry was in Me Mahn" shunt 5 or 6 months before I was examined at Milan. I have a brother of the name of Santino ; he was not in the boat. Dottier was in the boat tegetber with 10 other boatmen. Wit mils mentioned 4or 5 Italian names. I swear that I never told any one that Vio l a. card offered me money fur my information, or that was ever offered or promised money by any one else. At the time I have spoken of I was at work i• the pantry. I was going to clear the table. I contlasted at work, Ke.examined by Mr. PARIL—The room I have *peke)! of was above stairs. The room of her Kuyai Hlghness communicated with it; there was only a small leading Five between. Examined by Part Ileosvexon.-1 kuow they leek the door of the room ; I know it, become 1 h e a r d t key t urn; I certainly did not try to open the door brother sad another peraon were with ate in the peetryi nTete scarcely two peers distant. y the gad of • LAUDSIPALI.—I was in the pastry at She time the key was turned. By the Earl of Bithisonc—When the :witness saw bergami kissing the Priucees in the boat. were there Ober boats on the wider ?—Them were. (kohl the persoos is those boats have seen B =he Prioress. as well as the witness ?—rot bet sone °add have sees it. Was it dose publicly T-1 saw this.. s t e I „ Did -that arrangement continue ?—No. 0, 1 the rival of the Princess and Dogsled, I sh ewe d the* tie arrangement I Ind made, but it did not meet with th e ,, approbation, and the apartment s I h a d d estined fat tie. gentlemen wu given to the ladi es an d Hergami. How near was the chamber of liergand to that of t h e Princess I—The room of the Countess of Oldi was b e . tween, and there was a mutual communication betwets all three. How long did they remain at Tanis ?--About Si; du n Do you remember going with the Princess and Bev. gawi to the Barons t—l do. Whilst at the Barone, were any balls given by t h e Princess?--Many balls. Wh at d es cription of persons attended those bails the beginning there came all sorts. But afterwards ?—To these balls were introduced per. sons of all ranks and of very low condition, and th e , was much freedom because the ordinary distinctions were no longer seen. What does he mean by freedom ?—These women di ll made go out from the fall-room, and at their pl eassm, and then,—(Laughter, and cries of order).—S o ,,,, suns took these women and made them go out ',cordial to their pleasure and willingness. Did the Princess know this/ Mr. DEN MAN objected to this question. The LORD CHANCELLOR.—You had better ask Mid the Princess saw of these things. Hare you heard the Princess say any thing at the* balls upon the persons going out, or coming in Mr. BROUGHAM objected to the Interpreter's rud es t putting the question. No, I have not. Did you hear the Princess say any thing resperti st or had 'any conversation with her, on the subject of doe women ?—One day while I was in the Court, sad th e Princess and Bergami were there, the Princess Wid e wished to make a present to one of those girls :!.or r es we dress those maids ? and then she asked me if I believed they were such ; I answered, as far as I was contented they were honest ; the Princess said you know you hare been to bed with several of them, anJ had frequent islet. course with them.—l was surprised at this compliment, and endeavoured to undeceive her, and Reiland cried out, laughing, 'tis true, 'tis true, 'tis true! Do you know to which of these sisters her Royal Highness intended to make a pre•ent ? [Mr. BROVGHAM here interposed, and desired that with respect to the last answer the Interpreter should be asked whether there was any word for r Maid" but the word used in Italian for " Virgin.] The interpreter admitted that there was so other word in the Italian Language to express the word Maid than the word Virgin. The last question was then repeated ?—Answer, No. Have you seen the Princess, of Wales with these girls in the said room ?—Several times. Did the Princess join in the ilances?—Sornetimes. Upon any of those o:casions, have you heard the Princess make any other remark upon these girls?— Yes; when either of them came near her Royal High. nest, the Princess pointed her out with her finger, laughed, and observed, " how much the population of Barone is on the increase." Did you accompany the Princess on her tour to liermanv ?--I did. In the course of that journey, do yea women Bergami purchasing a carriage for two persons?--I do. After the cm-tinge wu purchased who used touted in it ?—ln the night it was for me. Did the Princess ever travel in it ?—Yes, in 6mt weather she earns into it with Bergami. Do you re-collect on an♦ of those occasiom the Princess going on before yon ?—I remember osretlat her Royal Highness and Retgami suddenly set oat is this carriage ; I did not follow them immediately, but I followed them as soon as possible, and I overtook them at the first stage. When you arrived there did you see the Princess and Bergawi anywhere?-1 inquired for them, sad I was shewn a room. Did you go then went, and knocking at the door, Bergami defired us to come in. On entering, saw her Royal Highness and Bergami together—they were decently dressed—they we e lying partly on the bed, and partly leaning against the wall. In the course of this journey did you stop at any ins where there were Engliih ?—1 don't know. Had you received any directions about the English from any one ?---I remember her Royal Higbee's told me, always in treating fur lodgings, to inquire whether any English were there ; and if there were, I was to go somewhere else fur lodgings. Do you remember the general disposition of the bed-rooms of Bergami and the Princess on their jour ney to Germany ?---1 left the Princess and Bergamo settle it themselves. Wa. the Princess ill at Savinani ?—She was over taken by violent pains. Who attemle , ' her ?--Rergami and the Countess el Oldi. I saw them preparing some hot clothes. Did you see them carry these clothes ?—As they were made warm Bergami as well as the Cosiness car ried them into the room where was her Royal High ness. Did you go to Ancona ?—Yes. Do you remember the situation of the bed-room of flergami and the Princess ?-13ergami was takes ills and whilst I was in his room a door opened into it. Where did the door open from ?--I believe from the room of the Princess. Why do you believe it was the room of the Princess? 3lr. Dismiss objected to this question. Do you know that this was the bed-room of the Princess ?-1 cannot exactly say. What did you see ?-1 saw the boxes of her Re Highness's toilette. Was there a bed in that room ?—There was, Did they afterwards go to Repinelle ?—They did. Was Bergasai confined to his bed there ?—He was. Did you have occasion to go to his room at night during his illness?-1 was going to visit him, vrbea 1 had half opened t►e door I saw liergami is bed. At what hour was that ?—About eleven at eight. He says he saw Berried in bed. did he see say body else in the room ?—There waa also her Royal Highness. Where was her Royal Higbeess?—•She was beside of norgooti's bet. stretched on the sofa. Did he see what was is the sofa ?—The cashless. Did vim go into the room or go back?- 1 witrdrw immediately. From Rupiselle did they go to the Villa OramlSS.-- They did. In what part of flotillas Onside did you sls►p?--1e ' the wing of tie boom, so the Wt of the uorrldor. I P'