The Statesman. — London, England, 1820-07-01 00:00:00

Mr. l'ANNtsc. observed, that the great point lie '.ishcd to urge was, that the eke:it's' of Mr. Ellis should not he considered void, hut that it should be opt ioual with him either to continue to discharge the duties of his office as hitherto, or make a provision for retaining his seat. Sir .1. \horroa '. repeated, that the clause would in capacitate him from sitting in Parliament so long as he acted as Master in l'hancery. Mr. CAosion.—But the election is to be good. Sir J. Nowromr.—Ves, the electiou is to be good. Air G. HILL considered this not as a clause but as a resolution, aril the effect of it would certainly he to prevent all Masters in Chancery front sitting or voting in that Honse.—(Cries of " No, no!"}—Ile hail un iloulotedly understood that such wombd he the effect of it. It was the very first time of his life that lie had heard a Resolution proposed during a pending elec. tien, the object of %itch was to exclude our of the eandidates in the first osiitance. But he would ask the Rijht Ilan. Baronet if his intention in bringing for ward this resolution was nut to throw out Mr. Ellis and bring in Mr. lirattati? This lie believed was really the design of this clause or resolution. Mr. Ellis was in all respects ipodifieil; and without refer- In c to the incouveniences which must result to the itiams of Dublin front a new election, lie should ask the Right lion. Baronet if it was decent, if it was seemly or proper., that Mr. Ellis should he disqualified, who appeared to be the favourite candidate with the electors In fact, he considered the resolution as no thisit less than an outrage upon all decency, and therefore should protest against it. ?Sir J. MACIIIN7O2III would not now inquire whether it was consistent with candour, with fairness, or with common SLIM, that an individual should be allowed to occupy two places at the same time, each of whieb required the most unremitting attention. There was no necessity for giving any notice of this measure to Mr. Ellis, the testimony given on a former occasion by Mr. Ellis himself was enough to w that he must have been aware, when hr offered self as a candi-1 dat. for Dublin, that he could ably discharge Iris duties in the double capacity • her of Puha- tiirmt and Master in Chancery.—(liar, bear!}—This testimony came from the very lips of Mr. Ellis; and it nal a very singular way for his friends to support him by contradicting his evidence.—(Hear, hear D— II e thought it must extraordinary that any Alessiber should stand up in that House and 'Unapt to defend so barefaced, so unconstitutional, and so shameful, or rather 'hawks-, a principle. The Hon. and Learued filember concluded by designating the principle in qiestion as most absurd and monstrous. Lord Casrtene tow explained. The Cr tsicrhaisa of the NXCIIZQUEa said a few sends, uliich were nut distinctly audible in the gal lery, but we understood theui to be fur establishing the validity of the election. Mr. C ALIWA Fr spoke briefly in support of the clause. Sir G. lir Lt. explained. The question was they put and carried without a dis ision, and the Committee was in‘tructed accordingly. The House went into a Committee on the Bill. Sir J. Neuronr brought up the clause rendering Masters in Chancery in Ireland ineligible to seats in this House after the Ist of August next. Colonel Banns proposed that this clause should tie. extend to Uentlemen elected before the passing of this Act ; and made some observations in support of this provision. Sir J. Nis PORT contewled for the necessity of the clause. Mr. DALT thought the clause would produce grses b3ri.hip in the particular case of Mr. Ellis. Dr. Putwoons and Dr. Lusiimirrom spoke In fa. sour of the clause. Mr. NOLAN thought the clause fraught with the deepest injustice, in the particular case of Mr. Ellis, tho•tgh he had no objection to the general principle. Mr. R. MARTIN declared his determination to vote fir the clause. He thought, in fact, that Mr. Ellis, his own evidence, bad disqualified himself. If Mr. Kllis were allowed to sit in Parliament, why not the other four Masters in Chancery - :—(Hear!) Mr. WELmsne supported the clause. Colonel BARRIS said he was not personally ac quainted with Mr. Ellis; but it should be recollected that Mr. Ellis bad purchased his office for 10,0001., and it appeared to him that it would be unjust to ren der hiss ineligible to a seat in the House. The office of Master in Chancery was saleable in Ireland some years ago, though not so now. Sir .1. NZIIIPURT had no objection that Mr. Ellis should be excepted, provided the suitors in Ireland ware protected from injury, by having Mr. Ellis pro vided for in snore other way. After a few words from Mr. R. Msavtst, Mr. No- LAN. Sir J. Nam:cross'. Mr. WRO rTIIIILST, Mr. BA RINU. Sir J. YORIIt. Lord PALPlsasurox, and Mr. M. _ _ I . - . Uri 4iewrawasaaer said, that he had Idabel' OP I clause to be trained in such a wanner as not to exclude Mr. Ellis ; and if, upon further examination, it should be Assad the awe in question was incompatible with the performance of the duties in this !louse, it might be remedied by an Address to the Crown. Indeed, ultimately, perhaps an Address would hare the same elect as if the clause now proposed were carried. Mr. Antiaraousiv contended, that It would be a great injustice to the suitors in Ireland to allow Mr. Ellis to be absent from his duties fur so long a portion of the year as his duties In Parliament woad rwydre. Sir J. Plitwroom bad so disrespect whatever tom& Me. Hills; and so leaf as two months ago hi taut#• tiosed his iateadea it iacorporatiog such a clastie as this la the pressat Bill. Mr. rinITSS recollected a debate la this House, e• the jeestiee, whether a pone* is orders (Mr. Hone Tooke) eheeld he snowed to Ws la this Hoes*. It was decided that be should est be allowed to sit is the Meese; bet It was agreed that that decision should set have Abet veil the easelag Parliament, beseass by his dada he had a vested right, whish it wee set Ildr le brow hen it Mr. Usostsrosar odd. fist Mr. Horse Tooke wild obit divest bioreslt of btu occiesisalest orders I bet bt tie moot ow Mr. RAHN sight, be *sad. twigs Tie The is wee bee reed a rased doe. Gimlet Deastaalevelairpreviee, is the Act, diet if I I f 111114. THE ST DT I the clause should not affect persons elected to *este in' this House before the passing of this Att. Mr. V. FrtiGassLo wished that the partiodar cue of Mr. Ellis should he dealt with by Addreis, and that the provision should be incorporated with the Hill. However, if hr were compelled to give a vote on the question, he should vote against It, so lunch did he value the prinriple that such an Are was incotupatible with the duties of a sent in that [louse. Sir J. MACIIINTnsu bad no objection that the case in questioo should be dealt with by address; hut that, if the proviso were agreed to, it would be a manifesta tion of the sense of the House, with which ij might be contended, that an address would be inconsistent.— (Hear, hear!) The question was put, and the gallery wa• ordered to be cleared for a division; hnt a division was not pressed f►r, and the proviso was negatived. Upon returning to the gallery we found the House in a Committe on the Rill for punishing persons guilty of privately stealing above the value of 3s. Sir .1. MACKINTOSII was addressing the Committee. He stated, that the Hill now before the Committee was precisely similar to those which had passed in 1810, 1811, and 1813. Upon two of which occasions no division had taken place. It was his anxious desire to leave a certain discretionary power in tin Judges, hut that power lie could not think of extending to capital punishment. Ile had no objection to let it in this case be extended to transportation fot seen years. After a few words fruit► Mr. LOCKHART and Sir JOSEPH Vow, who were of opinion that the Judges were not possessed of too much power in commuting punishments, the Resolutions were agreed to, and the report ordered to iw received to-morrow. The House then went into a Committee upon the Capital Felonies Commutation Punishment Bill. Sir J. MAt KINTOAM withdrew those classes which related to Fines and Recoveries, to Marriage Licenses and Certitioates, as they related to personation or forgery, and required a distinct classl6cation. lie also withdrew that clause which related to cuovicts re turned from transportations fur Revenue otf--nees.. A conversation then took place upon the other clauses, in which Mr. Ciirrvvvii o, Mr. ll.tanoan, Mr. MAkTIN, Sir J. Y mutt, Mr. SC MLITT, and others, joine.l. After which the Resoltitions were agreed to. In the rourse of the enliven:Rion a Member, whose Mille we could not learn, said the Committee should examine with great jealousy the alterations that might be suggested in the law of forgery, a subject the most important to the community.--The report was agreed to. Mr. %Nelms' hronglit up the report of the Com mittee on the Linen Rouigies Act. Mr. Ho lIIN soy opposed the Resolutions, Atli the exception of that one which continued the reciprocal bounties on Linen ; but lie objected to make them permanent. Sir li. Hut. spoke szainst the Reeolations, end de precated any discussion which might agitate the minds of the manufacturers in the north of Ireland. Mr. lice a wished that England and Scotland woold he placed on the mate footing as Ireland, with respect to the drawback cm ashes, Mr. FOSTILIt opposed the two last Reholndpo re hating to the duty on yarn. Sir R. Ponta:sox thought that the system of boun ties was highly prejudicial in principle, and wished that Ministers would put a specify end to them. After a few words from Mr. HUSKIISON bad Mr. Ricseoo, the lint Resolution was read a seeped time. After a few observations from Mr. Msetnt;ir, the second and third Remobiasses were negatived. Lord CASTUIRICAtiII gave notice, that, un Monday seat, be should move that the Ballots, which stowd for the ensuing week, should he gone into, and those which stood for the week after, postponed to a more distant time. !BARIUM*: MT AMENDMENT.—Dr.Putw- BIORII brought up the report of this Bill. Dr. bvsmiswrox opposed the Bill, and mowed, as an amendment, that it be re-committed. Mr. W.tanar4 wooded the motion, and said, it would be expedient that all the clauses should be re considered. Dr. 'humors said, he should vote for the re-com mittal of the Dill, though he approved of its general principle, which was, that the marriage of minors shonld be made valid after a certain period. hit. D. liitnitirr supported the ausetolnient. Dr. Poititssoas v►ndicated the merits of the Bill, and, in proof of the necessity for its being adopted, instanced a cue which had occurred three days ago, of a marriage having been declared null and void, after the parties had lived together for als as 4 thirty years. The House then divided on the amendment, and the numbers were— For tire Original Motion, 47—For the Amoodassat. =— Majority, 06. The report was then received, and the Bill was or dered is be- road &third lima Oa Monday nett, ' The Slaves Removal Bill west through a Coeisesiltee, and the report was ordered to be received on Illensday nest. _______ The House went through a Committee es the Ws eellaueoos Estimates. Sir Jeasim YOKES Collllllolllted on one of the tams relative le the Caledonian Canal. The gross animist of the eapesse for constructing this canal was no less than 211 AM. For aught he knew, the ingeeinas engineer who bell executed that notable canal aright, in time, bottle up the eastern seas, sad set Ike ft the western.—(A laugh.) Lord Biennia contended, that the canal was of the greatest advantage I. the part of the coentry themes which it passed. Both the Scotch sad Irish Beetle men whom he had heard speak ea t h e subject declared themselves decidedly in lamer of it. It was set a job, it was a most solid pablis endetteltieg. 110.0111. was voted Ow the vale iseim Gad. ANY. wee Tome Ise the Carter Scheele I. Wind. Mr. Hoes directed the attendee of the Bight Hoe. Osetieeme le M he. of Low. fur the asooleer of Iliessike. MI MI bs dI4 Net wish w cave, bet hs be rbeeelleially distribesed. He timmeght, Hut mein Tides might to he items to Ape oduuttieu of the cathelle children. • liv. V. Ftweitesase elosseevel ilia 4irreive4l• ii• Seciety was set la any 4111110. item exeleeirewha der. It wee his owe wish Wet *striae*, shoal Weeded rather (butt :efterelt , . . .: ...• - ' ItMlO/. was voted for the Bord of Works in Ire land) The other u►ual votes for Ireland were agreed to, hut the♦ were read by the Chairman in so low a tone, that we. could not catch them. 20,0001. was voted for the Linen Board. Mr. lit ma reconimeseded that a considerable reduc tion might be made in this kraut, as well as also in the expenses for stationery in Ireland. Mr. C. Bever said, that with regard to the former he was mot at present prepared to give any explanation, but with regard to the latter, an inquiry was now going on. The House resumed, and the Report was ordered to be received on Monday. The (louse went into a Committee on the New Street Hill, and the Report was ordered to be re ceived on Monday. The Report ion the Population Act Bill was brought np, the amendments were read and agreed to, and the Bill was ordered to be read a third time on Tuesday. The House went into a Committee on the Irish Treasury Bill, and the Report ordered to be received on Monday next. The House went into a Committee on the Consoli dated Produce Hill, and the Report was ordered to be received ou Monday next. Mr. Ili mu, understanding that there were in the Lottery Hill some new deems which affected the li liatty of the press, moved, that they should be printed. --Ordered. The Cnamcsit.ois of the Excitant s' gave notice, that on Monthly next, he should propose, in a Com mittee of Sappiy, the Estimates for the expenses of the Coronation. The Howe adjourned at Two o'clock. - . ADDRESSESTHE QUEEN. COMMON HALL. (Chattered fret* the Statesman of yesterday.) Mr. WAITIIMAN, in a very long and able speech, in the course of which he threw o ff his gown, addressed the Livery. He regretted the delay which had occurred in convening the Hall, as the metropolis always gave a tone to the feelings of the country; bat with respect to so many being absent, he was not at all surprised at it, as it shiiwed the prevailing sense of the Livery to be fa vonrahle to the ituestion, for he well recolleeted, that when disputed points were brought forward formerly, the Hall used to be crowded to excess. This, however. never was the case when any question, which was net to be opposed, was brought before the Livery. With the resolutions, he had no doubt, they would agree as coo. dially as he did, and In thus going up with an Address they were acting in perfect unison with what they did some years since. lie observed, that two of the City Members had voted for the motion of Mr. Wilberforce, which described any further prdceedine as likely In prove derogator,e to the Crown and itui e ons to the best interests of the people. It would been dma duty of those lienthouen to have attended that day, p, the - Livery might have called on them to explain hater they woad act. Though the Howse of Commons had soh- peuded their proceedings, it was only because Ministers wished to try to Garry in the Hesse of Lords what had bees nettled to them by the Commons. After sock • vote as the Commons had COMO to, then was to infamy to which they weak not be exposed, if they did not staled up now against the Ministry. Where was there a man whose heart was so obdurate as to prevent him shedding a tear over the sufferings of this distinguished and persecuted Queen? Where was there one who would not cheerfully at once draw a veil over all her in firmities ? The Worthy Alderman here read an opinion which Sir William Curtis had given on the forams os. casion, in whichlse pro:mowed the mess of Wales to have bees horribly and &bond used, and that pe q her innocence was unquestionable. e (Mr. W.) be lieved the present to be a foul emnpirecy, brought for ward to hunt her Majesty down, and from which nothing could save her but the seise of a free and generous na tion. He then re—itulated many of the Insults her Majesty bad endured. and strongly contended, it was his hlyesty's duty to consessed her to be prayed fur by the Clergy, whom the people paid. The resolotione were unanimously agreed to. On the qmostime for the Address to her Majesty, Mr. Howeniper suggested that the resolutions were a sufficient expression - of the sense of the Livery, and that the Address had as well at present berstponed. Mr. Woot.aa, at some length, denied that the resolu tion prejudged the issue of the question at all ; but they condemned the mode in which it was attempted to carry it on.—(applause.)—They condemned a Secret Inguintion. The Loao Maven rose to order—(fireat uproar.)— Atter a time his Lordship said, " As Chief Magistrate of the city, I hare a great and momentous duty to per form; and I will never, while I sit In this eli - air, hear the great Cassell of the nation, vilified.—(Uproar.) Mr. Wonuta said his 'a interruption mat have arisen from a on if kis words'. 'Ho did not call the Mouse ' a Swot lequisitime—it would hare boss shaped to .so sit* be aillo the Committee, aggslarell by that ' la am Ito alma bag, a Seerstlesehhies, and umbel his Lerithip is show that the alieleiliee in queues wen not is a Secret Inquiry, be should esocelve himself= in sal the term—(Applaase.) , The apie, hosiferei soli greet worariby4 and tench altercation and notes ansesd. At length the Lord Mayor cause forward. wed dhow having been oh. mined, be said, that ailing the Paellayeest a Secret I gulsition was Wellhead Os bring oppreirlase upon,it. as. It was comparing it with the impilaide• of Catisehe countrios--oe establialment that was hull le the 0111111111' abberrease.—(Leaghter and violent disapprobatiell sill sued, and &her some date, The Lone Naves sold—" lam satisfied. The Gaw• thew has admitted, that if the expression was taken is tie sense I took it, It was calculated to throw 'Webb khan en the Hoes* of lards.' His Lordship then em sawed his seat, and Mr. Roeta. pareesial to senemeitt st maw . ea the amiest of the tieverameat towards her engeosesd his determination of swiss a , r lis. striating the Itepressatativos of the th toy Miff 1 reas t is4 attempt whit& night be made is imitate a MN.* Vow. Wise la the Hefts of Comatose. The Sib Ilteseibiloa was that pat tied serried nasal awl* * l * tali_ assipliee of e slash hand, * avow thee Waal the Address, which was alai onistuassimealy. Mr. nem... amid, AY the Address hi tarried op* Ir i lia mil / ili i a y the bred Mem. lb* AMovises, the _ die Liver. ki; Mr. lbooMiumm Wed, sis an amt, that sm QV Myoulaistim. is Paillagatat be sib& Muss o f aildimid, Mitekeas essolemiss sisitri be g their i• their Quo" lill. W ,if libsy - 11 Milo is har, It ”114 totsswei mg •41:;p4rebe Immait lin#o4 se fla of* 101 VbAlmel Mr. GRIFIITUS (oldie CWIIIIIOII COOlllO k a warm eulogy upon th e con d uct of it.' i. Wood, and c onclud e d by mov i ng the thanks ult. mon Hall to that Headman, for hi. pryhli e 42. 1 Per spirit, and the gre a t a tt ent i ons he Lae her Majesty the Queen. This was car r i e d b y tion, and Mr. Alderman Wool) come forward to refer amidst loud cheering, clapping of band s , h t. Blared himself quite happy to the line easy adopted recently, and which he was sere been taken by every honest man in Enem a & facts which he knew been generally nralot cared not for the reproaches east apira e i. feeling the most decided coavictirra of b e e nocence, hoped the Livery untold hint for not stating any facts at present, Igg 4 1 would come when every eking should be 1714 fully disclosed. He insisted that her Neje* duty head oist to quit that country' which hal her es geseraply and kindly, and be h e , mil her Seed detenaktatiaidoad and loa g • Thanks were then . to the Lore the motion of Mr. seconded k r , spoon. Much opposition was alma* to I. ' His Lordship returned thanks, asilmilldby from the bottom of his heart, that the alas Lion now entrusted to the great Conseil of a l would end to the satitfaetion of every see is try.—As his Lordship retired to the back of tis . 111 r. Hammen" presented himself. lasi sallkk, just learned that they had bees ilecnesia g the under military , sitperintendenco. ' He had, he el atoldier in fall uniform is ese-of tie esti aka told him that he had broogla a letter freakis h .Mandl officer to the Lord Mayo r , and was tins by his Lordship's answer. In an instant all was uproar again. eriestaj shame, shame !" " Read the l e tt er , ise, through the Hall. Several voices erjed. " Tlletl been a troop of the Life Guards 'taloned is So garden these three hours." Great imalbsies I* this information both in the body o f th e H 4111460 Sifti At ngs. length Mr. COATI* CUM forward and said inn Lord Mayor had acknowledged that he had mai the military might attend. The most tumultuous dieapprehadoa followed, lasted for some minutes. When it began tai saki little— ' Mr. PATILLL moved the thanks of the Coma Mr. Alderman Waitkmao, Which beiag carried. Mr. Alderman WAITIIMAN returned thanks,. occeeioa to observe, that whams had attend ' intendesee of the soldiery, had grossly ' Commas Hall. Great uproar ensued, in the midst of • Common Crier, by order of the Lord Mayer, e l , the Hall dissolved, and his Lordship then redraft carriage amidst the hooting sad Maims of de moldy. The Sheriffs waited on her Majesty after &Cam Hall, and were gracioesly received. Her Mejestyla oil them for the very great attention paid to her Citisens of London, and Seed Monday mod, d o'clock, for receiving the Address. — o g h .„--. SOUTHWARK MIMING. ' ' A Meedng of Lilo inhabitaate of Saabs* held year rifay in ea Town Hal, :o pi ztivrj pristy of addressing tor kajekey t Ragland. The meeting was fled br Adreetki for eleven o'clock, but the High Bailiff, accesin by Mr. Calvert, sir Robert Wiliam. Am. Se. dil enter the room until after twelve. Mr. Cava, whose absence the delay had been occasioned, served, immediately upon the !Ugh Bailiff's tabllg Chair, that I k e was exeeediagly sorry to have dal the meeting, bat he had reatiftd a letter kali demos who woe peculiarly conversant with the business of tho /lorowih •Oporming an *silk the meeting would not be held steel He placed implicit reliance upon that soma and it was sot until a very few 'Dinette before* was informed, and convinced that his friend acs I taken. lie therefore made the greatest possible II to reach the Hall, and he trusted, that the espial which he had given, would prove satisfactory al meeting.—(Cheers.) The Hum HAMM, laid, yea are now BWRWIVA tender an Address to her Majesty. and I taws all same unanimity of sentiment which prevailed IBIS Address was voted here to his Majesty ea his Mg sioa to the Throne, will display itself ea the poi seaman. and that no subject uneenaeeted AIL of whkii you are here itssenabled, will, by its ties, induce a difference of 'million. Mr. Davis was quite certain that the area all dos, which it fell to his lot to propose, irael/-4 with perfect concurrence. It was amply, that Address of Condolence and Umgratniatios be ONO ed to her Majesty Queen Caroline, era her arsisli "revolution was secoaded: and, baTbd al l put frail the Chair, it passed unanimously. • Mr. DAVI. said, that the resolution lair/gag he might perhaps be permitted, without say vie_ilet of order, to call their attention to the abject. Sri consideration of which they had al that * bled. He was fully aware of the delicac y. k N.. F i I E. and b; hardly knew - what line elswise $ order to escape the imputation of abaft**, was the fashion sad the Ace of the day to cierr man with disloyalty who did not bow dews talM Cation of his blajrcy's Miaisters. la staniell the laws, iad affectioa to his Sovortigh, yield to no laza living. and tbosgh s Ingot to liberty, be was still intlispood 4 typiikt a disloyal man. No wield therefore disattitl is slaty fearlessly sad osaselentionsly , tad. 76 stet to hiss whether be was osseideted . 111 elected, while he retaiwed the testbasay id bk. ecomdean. Indeed, that saw row tbe now! veer strew materials, who, Itairwhie the essaff. *stag to which her Majesty had as lwag k Jo! sabildtisti, would atill rends lasendide to dire yr Misr. Takla; a abort review sf * air" . *teas, when object bad been to Mot Mr «la THY her "Putatieth It woe Ineoldhar ..... not 41 . equation towards thethen lad plats ht.* destrosiida seal a.. bee Majesty% spatialias was. es ha bight GIP ' eerved mann mid* the hash intro fres Ile psoll . :=1 1 1 4 10 • p•••1.—(016e•rd.)..1%, lad bend WA the pees bor. and miry wen to Whine dlnt io z radosse, Mr. 1111hridiret t t#e r••••W • gnat au if who tlttprllliimess. For Alt Nt. lelerieelit I* 41 Oa It I L•• I