The Statesman. — London, England, 1823-04-23 00:00:00

• e•tion of Parlianaentaey Reform. Not that there were nt those present who dissented from it, for there were some Gentlemen of great consideration, amongst whom 7.9 a the very respectable Member for the county (Mr. Stuart Wortley), who held up their hands againstlt ; but at-there were at the lowest computation more than ten times as ,tnanv prpselt as at cola and aa.ainoust ttfese 'igen. urpoirel. so . Wye d'issentiints,*e fietairmsli eil 'dr file •peNtfirtirtiaii that the petition *poke the unani neolasmate-tif-the - lerinee-WrOV triiisirviifg- eitiMes of the c,luillt._, ,41g ors strutting., Mort 4.o4lutirtf ( i . the num. ollt,Platristprea to this petition, It wig* he well to see wit* tke total number of fteeluildere lu the county ningented to. About :sixteen years ,ogre, a contested elygliep lOol; place for Yorkshire, and mow efforts were rweedtobring a force into the field on either side, after seprehing every part of the .ennoty. and sectoring all the Mika , st , London far Yorliiidre freelu ' aders the whole nitimiher Polled was ?.:1,10. Time number of freeholders signedae tbis petjtjou was 17,40.--(ear,hear)--wliiiit; "P. 4 invent Oi inventcalculation , waatwo-thirde9lthe whole *nasty, though he (Lord Milton) was ihelinedio,tbinti it Sea; more. • The greatest care had beep token to 'sei s mic alltimbriivere not : bona jide freeholders, aid Onseqnently they; was no name to which the ,addresi and. property vrtn net anneied, He Lai himself loolteel theougli this born, petition,ond he would %eke upon hicnielf to say, thac,lbero were not fifty signatntes to which anyexcep tienso. dbe taken; of these two had eigned.aa t rustees. whit, n ham would not be allowed to vetsiAt an elec. ligperq. eme from the county . of the city 0,4401, which, leg4y,,speahltfigi was not put of Yosksiiimmi and five or silk An t s who s belongee to p.bst sex which is not mach in t ime Wadi Of interfering in these matter/4—(A ten s.) AR tip. rest ; were valuable, aa they were tutmeeftli ormhith .Apto„ilre prayer of the petition, he (Lartl24p) trig' only say.,h entirely concurred in it. Ile liadrertainlY enter effainl► o different opinion once, and bad -ones: rir toile vo• against Parliameotary Reforai.,"bat Ise; 0(44 , 0 now F onsrientiously . that he was made a !apse!! to cou'ittbEthe proceopiugs of this Goose.---(Cheers. ) . ille Noblitirerd also stated that he was influenced us become ai edentate fir Reform, by the example of Men ter whom belied On L!gbest respect.. It might, .perhape,• be ex pected that he should staie what the exact views of the petit t ionems. were, -isms thin•qttration, of Parliamentary Refotru i , He should say, that they prayed kr a Reform gsvniecally. leaviorit to those 09 wow bether able to. judgc what particular mode of Reform theyemborrld adept. And he could not but congratulate the petitioners upon the • n isolum of this eourse.—(Hear.) The : =tent. - to width reformation was wanted in the toospEtated ma chine of the English Constitution, was too ditheelt foe wren in the stations of the petitioners to ascertain. The' petition therefore was not open to any of those objVe tions, which lay against those which breached pataitalar Modes of Reform. The Noble Lord, coneluifeo by. Say- Inv, that there wens to be found atiacong*i the Sulncribers, numbers of some of the insist resimectable and ancient', fonsilio in the county; end that the names of a great majority of the aristoentty were to be foond attached to it. lie then moved that the petition be brought up. flfr. S. WORTS. Y. Did he did not rise to oppose the betters op of MIX Petition, but to second the Notion for laying Woe the table. He could hear testimony to the re speetebillty of die Meeting. and the manner in which it was got elf; sad, eonslderine the season in which it was held, *stolid het deny that it was very numerous: But he how redo to repeat opinions which he had Oven elsewhere. It wartnot worth while inquiring about the manner in which tbede signatures hid been obssined ; but if there had ben 17,000 instead of 17.000 names to the pe t i tion . he (Mr. W.) would fret it his duty equallyto protest again. It.- (Hear.) 'The (locator. •Ileuse would soon have an opportunity of trying this and he rejoiced at the eireumstaece. •The oftener it was . opened to t the mom would es the eyes of the people be the merits of the qution. If these fienitoners, or any other class of men, could oonviece him (Mr. W.) that • fetter form of Represemative Government than the En glish Constitution could be suggested, he Would without delay become a convert to the doctrines of the Refmers. Me wished. however , to say, that he considered a ny pe tition so respectably signed as this entitled to the arestest attention ; and though he differed In opinion from the peti tioners, yet be did not wish to detract from the importance Of the petition. ' .._ Mr. A. Col.llollBVaaid he was opposed to ill sweeping plans of Reform. He believed that n partial- Reform -had already taken place, by the publication of the debates in this House. and the consequent check Which pbbtic opinion had over the proceedings of its Members. Ile believed, however, that Reform could be carried farther. The Noble Lord then advanced with the petition to the table • this do cument was o f enormous bulk. It was Stitt feet l'ong, and contained seventeen thousand signatures. 1 The clerks in the House were occupied nearly a quarter of an hour in uofolding it. amidst much laughter front all •parts of the liouse.—The pctition was then read. On the motion that it be printed, Mr. SYKES rose to express his cordial concurrence in the sentiments of the petition: 'He bad reaso n to know that no undue influence tad been exercised to procure signatures to it. It was piped Spontaneously, and at a period too when the public mind was in a state of comparative quiet, undis turbed by any of those es itasions Which snmnetimes induc ed a great degree of political activity Those who sub. 'scribed thiir names to this petition did so from a steady, settled Conviction of its necessity. There never was a period when so few political clubs were in activity as at the time when this petition was circulated in the L amaist He considered that it was to the Right Hon. Gentleman opposite, late the Member for the town of Liverpool, and now holding a prominent situation in his - Majesty's Commis, that the country were indebted for • the success of this petition.—(lleac.)—The Right Hon. • ' Vettleman bad in the course of the last summer alluded ' tOeorise sipposed alteration in the opinions of the in sha : bitants of Yorkshire on the subject of Reform. But ' they had in this petition, answered the Right Hun. Gent. tiitidinforntly. * , Pr. CHALONER said, that notwithstanding the rc '. SO -Viability and number of tte petitioners. he had cunsci. ' entiOusly snpported his Hon. Filen(' on the other Mule of . it. 'Rouse (31r. B:Wortley.) lie thought that the pre sent system of representation was fully adequate to all • ' the purposes it was ibtentled to produce. He was out •Aisposed to alter the Constitution of that House of l'ons wons.. by' whose counisils this country had been raised to • 'Web a. pitch of political glory. ' • Tye petition was laid on BILL. dt o table. ItERR Mr. HOBHOUSE presented a petition from Richard :(Cimaptnan of Itarniege Wells, representing that no. .• 'Vetter would be able to brew the description of beer :•• ' eobteniplated liy the Right don. l'lmanc.dlor of the Ex -•?Fiesqiier:under the name of intermediat- beer, without . • ~' "eie*ltiir Mt tidally new set of premises—and proposing a • '' pliii lay *Vett this beer might be brewed on the former • Ittrendaell.— Laid on the table. IaIEGOCIATICESS V% tilt FOREIGN POWERS. - . . IhrsCANNtNtl umovrel an address to his Majesty. for the parpos4 of having further parts of the currrstioo &nue during the late negociations with Foreign • • -powers,lmihrten the table.—A greed to. . • 1 hti. AVARICE' wiimked to take this occasion of putting • s'que;Stlon stir the went Hoe. tient leMan. 1 n the course o ften istitittirondecee now, before the public, allusion • •* fiNineallybeeorted to' an obligation, or • opposed Alio ruin on thepart of Reisela and PfßiSlie, to give Fraser ••- 'edbidermince and assistance, in ease she invaded Spain. -' lie should like 16 know from the Right Hon. tientlemmen . •• If be router Monti the Meese, if any treaty was in exist ' .' * Mice by ibitli time three Powers here bound to assist .'. route in-attacking Spain. And out of this would arise - s.* * l tl<its ;Orteitleestieb, how far any thing done at Verona;, • • 'IMO; he argted - as a violation of time treaty of Aix-la '' ' •-• Chapelle. life soak!' alkOdesire some ex planation upon ' t The allusion to tW easys /*Jeri: Mentioned by 51. Cita esehriand THE.,ST, it ir..CAAING replied, that to his knowledge and Ace/trai l ?' to his belief, no treattof the nature described hi the on. Member wise in existence. !low far any ob lig/Lions that were agreed to between theForeig nPo.vers 'tiftetittlre argued as binding as the force of treatlik he could not take nrin hietielf to dayi 'With Atepect tothe allusions to the eases fiederes, he had to obieive that the cases '<vivre: as defined, daring the &tenni-Mat Vero na, were stated never to hive oecurred. The cases in which.assistance was promised were contingent and acci dental, but had not actually occurred. ABOLITION OF swpint. . . . i t, Lord PALIIIERSTON . ',relented A petit's/0i from tilt . Snkriliii Catabridgeoraying that the Hopi/ ekt ft tiPl t lftt otaatta's for the extinction of slavery tbielet iont. one West , India &Wein/nits. . They ioallair,i'd,;,, l j oixiiihinee al inconsistent . tejfh Abe print:lire 0 Rip - Rib' Legislation, justice, and liunsamtirr , liriti heie). They Reseed upon the Honed to , peoydli for,. PAP. ffil". dual abolition of slavery, as they, di not expect . TAMI it 0)0)1 be immediately s uppressed. .1* tleit , t e time they expressed a hope that ever:L.o l ok t : be taken Ify the House to mitigate its rigour' wet m continued. . d .I.! • Mr. BROUGHAM was sure he spoke Rai' ietitmentn of every one. who beats' him when he endeeitettred,te elt . It press the infinite gratifications he received trim fs .60 tt l inept of this nature, coming from to biatlikr*Ferer e. a body as that of the Univereiti of Cambridge. • . tag this University, so ernineotly distinguished foe ilk its i tachment to the throne, and i ts . 'carping of all Itiga/ especially for its liberel Jentelks should g 6 ate' 1.1 ments so in fi nitely . creditable to thetr bunaasity. aisith f ,sense of the chums of jestice, musts he "s .mtFits : be received universally with the grea t es t pleasore.- (tieie, Vet!) • Mr. BEIINAL, ase,blembei of the tolee:rattis- e r gerated.in die sentimentatif satisfaction e ipiesied - by a on: Friend. .The petition was ordered 011 Olio on the table. 4 . 4 to printed. . Lord STANLEY presented& petiti on from'ebe Chim tier of Commerce of Menehester, ugliest the Upon Du ties' Bill. . , . . ADJOURNMENT OF THE HOUSE. • . On thee/is/don of Mr. CANNING, it ifs* eiderell that the House at its rising do adjoins to Thursday. R0211A74 EiTTIOLIC CLAiMS- Generid ARCHDALL, preeetited- a pitlelon from thnniskilfeti against May &ether concessions to the•Ca eilies:-. 'Col. TRENCH stiletheavistild tats this cippeetnniiy of noticing the denial, on a former night, by the tilin. Alioh ber for the enmity of Leitiiiir (ML L. Whitt),. that illy Roman Catholic priest had inteefeeed its the late eleetions for the county of Dublin. He (Colonel Tteneli) had stated that priests had; in a Plat 'jealous mow, ep- gaged themselves, and used all their influ ence , with their flocks, for the purppse of having the Perendthey ap proved of returned. lie Lad been asked by thief. Meinifers of that House if this was the case, and upon hissaaartng theta that it was, they acknowledged that their salts meets on this important question were changed. , He coals' now restate, upon good authority, that three priests that ben niost actively employed during tat elon; hat n o s nubs eases they 6d prifeeefleil to d e nou nce the terrors Of eternal damnation against those who refused to eoieply with their injusietloni.—(Hear, and a laugh.) —,- They went farther thin Ma, they allowed petsons to epees.' their altars and address the people while they were •yet on.their knee,. • Me. S. RICE thought that the statement of the Hon. Gentleman was extremely onseasooa l ole, as it was caleu- NW, Tinder the :presets% circumstances, to do no more than prolong Irritation. The House would remember *Gist a petition was laid on the table, complaining of an undue return for the County of Dublin upon the very accusation now put forward by the Hon.'l.lentleman. But they did not pursue the charge; they abandoned it, •and was it now fair to have the matter restated? Ile teased to be allowed to make an obseryatioo upon the subject of the divisions which took place on the motion of the Right Hon. the Attorney-General for Ireland on he Catholic Question. He observed with astonishment that the majority on that occasion was stated to be against the Catholics. It was only necessary to state the question, in order to show that such art interference must have arisen from the grossest ignorance. In fact many of those who had always been friendly to the measure, had voted in the majority on that occasion, in cunse quence of the peculiar turn which the . question had taken. And he believed that the fact would turn out to be, that the minority oil that occasion was composed chiefly of the opposers of concessions to the Roman Catholics. Ile begged also to be allowed to call the attention of the House to some statemente io the petition on their table, which embodied the grossest and most disgusting slan der, against the Roman Catholics. lie would take the following as a stipple:— " The success of the m otion would be hailed with tri umph by the insurgents of Ireladd, who are exclusively Ro man Catholics, w h o m neither English bounty nor exe cutive m ildness have been able to reclaim, and that the Protestants of Ireland would have to dread from their savage exulta lions a r epetition of the s cenes of It'stl and 17013. That the opposition to every authorised institution, however comiu- Moe to the welfare of the peasant or the instruction of the child, (tom the various influential mewls-T.5 of the Roman Catholic body and their adheres ts, the contempt with which the Protestant religion is opelly treated, and the ambition of the Roman Catholic Lvity and Ilissarchy, thtilatter of whom have arrogated to themselves those titles and that re spect which belong to the Prelates of the Established Church solely, and the port of many of the Roman Catholic body, who now boldly malign the tried and staunch loyalists of Ireland, who in times of peril circled round the altar and the throne, having at that time, as is well known,. escaped the hands of justice, and lately issued from their dens and con cealment. to wear the mask of attachment to a monarch, against whose father they rose in rebellion, the petitioners humbly submit, ore all sufficient grounds to warrant their conclusions, &c." Study, -whether they opposed, or whether they sanc tioned the Mims of the Catholics, they ought not to per mit sack calumnies to he laid on their table. Mr.t. WHITE said, that lie had been fully warranted in what he had stated on the occasion alluded to by the Hun. Gentleman (Mr. Trench). lie now again stated, that there were no priests on the 'testifies during the election for the county of Dublin i and he had reason to believe that the statement was without foundation, that excommunications were denounced by the Roman Catbo lic clergy against tht se oho resisted their instructions!, to vote for the man of their choice. Colonel WHITP: assured the House that nothing but diffidence prevented I' trout presenting himself to the atteutiou of the House at the time when the petition of the Rev. Baronet (Sir 11. Lees) fess laid on the table. It was not, he leio.tel to say, any doubt of the falsity of the statements contained in that p-tion, that restrained him from at 'owe delivering his sentiments upon Its cha racter. He hieged to repeat now that those statements were utterly false and groutt.llesa. In fart, the Rev. Baronet had contradicted himself, for according to a let ter which appeared in a Mornittg_ Paper of this day, he outfit that the priests whom tie described before as he ing Ac ti v ely etgaged on the hustings. sere now " near or wheat the busting'." Bet even to this statement he (Colonel Whitt) gave a direct contradiction. There was not the least undue ioterfirence used by the Clergy so that occasion . ; that the Catholic Clergy felt an in teeistie the event of the 'election, no one who undo stood the state of Ireland would be surprised at.—(110.1..) His l ipedint ;darted upon a hat were called Orange prise plea. The Priests no doubt, very naturally said, "Here is a man avowing Mulvihill *twiny to your elatme--.-Itere is • another who will vote for you—which will von ego:Mier . He was accosest• xi thit•petition el ht.led to, - together with bit friends, as well as ihe Roman • Catholic Clergy, of-haranguing' the 'people from the al , tar.. ile had been prepared , whet' the petition was pre ended, ttinietillii_ most decided• calditillailoil to this data rcpt. so far as it regarded hintf. Herbed since that 'finite vieited Ireland , and after MA g diligent inquiry, ire could not-discever-thistin soy omissions* the-Gieegy hod addressed their flocks upon the subject of the elec tion, or thatthlliermitted env woe else to 'in so, .fron (Veit . Wire:* 'Every holy kiieklitilf rillittfilitil it - irTrur attifitne +hit thirCfsirgynierl wodht thieuten ennotinikitill:. Siaki.sp,when they had not the. power to do so. He itpit Villjl' i pl . edie hfloielftb etipPort Catliofic Ealmletiatic , , it - heing to' hit tipitileit dec<ssety for the teantOillity4 fro!y*d.. The Hop, Ham* (51i" C. Dotailleyttild • the 'Catholic clociterabe - was rtsipst o t...) concession and (*VI; world be.--(4 - 1444 irimbSie,(... in ville..)—Well, %lien 141 !Wide phi ii.t4 tlet House Haim think feather wits' Ee 'neisatv to sirge,therebectors to the choice they itiatle; and' if this deekvalondidnoraleadd int-nside the necessity of eliegyineit' . Cr Orr otter - pit:loll,. ' , Celli ngi their iodic Miie aping titeibirsorife -Whom' li 6 will -qp'pciite • Mr. C.'fIOMPITIV-904 --iiiiidllitl'Hon: Oefitlemso ' if he was roicOgractsamottlitXcezyol.fitt ie. all the elk , : th o us i i i.gagland, tlie Frvit'fatritlitylergv.ititiefered With, ihe most aettve•seol, anti why. 51i0a4,41; V•ithnliy'ke.litiiif of Ireland, possessing - the elietire franclitee, he eacindedi frven the 'exercise of the someitaterfetenoe as the Protin- Wit Chtegn , of this troternett?• He did not Wish it to b&, 4tittfeestookthkldic snood tlwee as arty advocate fur thel haerfcrence of the.Ciergy, Lo t t hr did not Wiith it to go , ia teisiiil ' itiotbef:itlidli.e-eltfefithfie wire oe l oe,- tive i, is thekotily 61104441 iiir eistimie of the Peo.stitn*i • , gy ; 9 1E6 1 464 r ; WO street prAitaice m ight nose' • lie ittottep,%l4 tp.ke Ca4titi against pi Catholics, be hads l i po doubt %bait finally the 'cause leonlii.b.; teituniihuisil, isithid tbeivallsatbut ileum The Hon. (leaden/in Oriaelsaiiii•llytritlestlteg against the assertion of the Ilan. tieutlerte: ..• • ..IE ~' i . . l ••111 t; s f t watee..ifhlit' WO he did not third/ it I /til towstith ter covreettierktir go MI6 any' farther Maas lOit iipdti fltil'itiple - it the preninl drovnent, he woad!rneee v express his satisfactiou at what irld felled Rote the lielb, %fetcher for Linieriet,.thicans it would set the public tight upon the qiiti ) ion iiMeli liii3 fskin place on the Catho dek question. is iiii)lootleedy iliniJestood twat that divi4on was not to affect the merits lof the question. If the itispref lion with regard to that dislike: *bleb went abroad, re inatoed uncorrected. it wostiti,.lla felted, be productive of konsequencea to trelaud Most fatal and dangerous. • Mr. OR &TPA'S said limbs had reason to know that Dr. Gov, the Archbishop of the Dioc.ote of Dublin. hod given in- itructions to hi'. diocese not to interfere io elections. Sir T. LETIIiIItIOGE veld, that ()nitre occasion of pre- 1 hinting the Petition. it would be recollected that lie did not' . shvoeste the authenticity of the facts tb which it referred.— Ile merely presented the petition. feeling it to he his duty so to do: lie wohtd, however, remind lion. Alembers. that the petitioner stated he was able to prove the facts relerrid to i I the petition at the bar of the House. Sir J. 24 KWPOIt'r said tbut the charges now made against the Catholic Clergy. weve:orntnitted in the peti i lion, and wli • abandon them when i t was stated the y iiitild be ittils tabriateithy evideiten it the liar Ale. OA Stlig said that froth informatieit Which he had received; li e had reason to hinny that the efforts of some ire.ditly relntions of !its in the county of I)ulilin, were compleiely paralfzed by theiaterfeseoce of Catho lic Priests, who threatened to deprive those who alltawid vote agaiest their wishes of • the .rites of the Cbitteelt.— This interference was - not confined to Dobliw g it tor. vatted theetinsties also. It would be impossible to prove the fact of Interference, becnose ilidse upon *beim Ike Priests ifeteise It Were prevented from coining fortratd, intimidated lest they should -incur the terrors of the Church. This statement Le sonde with the Monist wince - rity, and trusted without opposition to time statement of others, that it would be eatitled at least to equal credit. • Col. WHITE said that they were opposed is the statement of facts. The Honourable Gentleman said they had no friondatioa, and be (Cel. White) maintain ed ihs mintrary. Cu). TRENCH said that the statement of the Han. Geatleman was Contradicted. Mi. it. faI i ARTIN said he knew a great deal of the conduct of Priests at elections, and be had seen them on three or four occasions, in which he himself was a candi date, take differeut sides ; hot be never knew an instance in which any Po iest ever uttered a spiritual denunciation against a min fur e xercising the civil franchise of voting fur whom he pleased. If any Priest acted so, ho would be immediately interdicted by his Bishop orspiri tual Superior from the exercise of his priestly func tions. Sir .1. MACKINTOSH said, that the contradictions proceeded from parties equally respectable, and who un doubtedly entertained au equally conscientious belief in the information which they bad received. But fortu nately the Douse were in possession of circumstances which would enable them t' decide upon the respective value(); the conflicting evidence. One of the parties had had a n opportunity of N oving their case, and ha I j shrunk from it; whereas, the other challenged impiry I and defied their accusers; hut the Hon. Member for Derry told them that the witnesses were Catholics, and would not be produced because their minds were acted on by the terrors of priesth ood. This, then, proved at any rate, that the accusations were incapable of proof. IVith regard to the affidavits in the possession of the lion.' Member for Cambridge, why did not the persona who had sworn them come forward to prove the allegations of the election Petitions Perhaps it was because it was safer to give evidence in that way than to submit to a cross-examination. Mr. BECHER. wade a few observations, which were inaudible in the gallery. Colonel TRENCH said, that if the allegations con tained in these affidavits bad been proved before the Committee, they would nut have invalidated the return. The Petition was then ordered to be printed. General A RCIID.A LL presented several Petitions to the same effect from the Couutyof Fermanagh.—Ordered to be printed. HIGH SHERIFF AND GRAND JURY OF DUBLIN. Mr. ELLIS presented a petition from the High She riff and late Comtuission Grand Jury of Dublin, stating that immediately on learning the charges made against them, they repaired to London, and called for whatever inquiry into their conduct the wisdom of the House might direct. They were now not only in London. hut in at tendance in the House to await its pressure. It was unnecessary for him to snake any Ruttier observation iu atiticipUNKE TT axion of thwishede moti to on learn of th from the It e aeon. Bronet. Mr. PLn.4 lent. if be was to understand that all the Grand Jury of Dub lin were in attendance. Mr, ELLIS said there wee but six in attendance •who l e were deput •ti by their fellows, and now awaited the plea sure of the House. Mr. ELLIS replied, certainly not. Six of thew hati.beta deputed to attend on the partOfibe Whole. • • Mr. BROUGHAM, after a remark uptsu the farm aif the Petitiern, said he could not help acknowledging the frankness and candour with Which •the acensettiad-put themselves in readiness to meettlie charges Which hash been preferred against them. lie thenglit that in the. ensuing discussion they would he entitled to all the cre dit and benefit which such alacrity deserved. He did not know how the retie might torn out; there were soma , rases in which the same readiness had been sheave with very different results. But hetlionglit the frankness...a alacrity of the parties deserved consider %don. The petition was ordered to be printed. Sit F. OU ItDE'rf then rose and said, thatilte Propo sition which he WAS AVUt to sublnit to the Ilimse. paw- rally grew ent.of the decision to which it had come upon a subject tibial involved the presentone upon a previous occasion. They must always have witnessed, and indeed an example had come before them that evening, bow painful it tt as to touch upon any subject which related to the misfortunes of Ireland. end that it was impossible to mention altn.ot any subject connected with that cowl any, wikbaant *king rise to the 'cermet 'cellos', of .irrita tion. 'Siff he took to be a proof that the Noose were bound twfipil out the means of alleviating those inisfor 'rune*, nittFoFtsieSe sorriteiteinifeefeeptetting an end to . •a state tellidhAit all times wits one of smothered civil war, dod which u tae seemed to be breaking out into tuntnal OM' of tonality lsetivrei the two parties. lk felt that attar tlineat there was great difficulty in touching um, theiesiMitte; dad Wile nowthoest MO:: lie shoal* only be adding fresil dirtier, to those which fuelmeetf the ,c6fiefry, be shcitiM be the last, person id the world who toiaill ndt he' ready to cover the past with the veil of 9§liiien. nia after whist had: takers vflaetf, It would he wo,. and Mailings, and Childish —like *wile irtsohs ii ho msld• not wide* , its the win . for fed r of lodetatios he steno -ego& tet go into a Intl inviotigation of I be causes to which all these deeadfot elshatine‘ ere to he aserihed. When - the quesewt was opetwil y the Ilnitiatlealsli Weibel. for Amiss It, in the mowier so ono/treble td. gotielf, to' vigteeable to those who heard int, awl as he trusted hiettaW lie etenfieff,ficebenefieial to Eiji ediffitis'; - thile were slimly topics inriosruccd whirls it wnekl net be necteetity fbr Ida to allude to now. The trainstiosie ttlitit 7 ' the At•orttey-Genciil adi the to t . '?riff weroSett great tioneeitutional•Anilioritlett;oue . Ont., he thoWeit, te /dein any part of Hoek consitlerat:on. LlotheJ as the Mtneneyedidetil iratioith high who; ' rfty, whea..fie hid brought charges against atiother Offs r, as la ais Itinlttlf, eotisistationally speditihg, quite ' . ; ..ilei j It was ungssastole, _its Ins opinion, fbje the House t 1 refise 'seceding to the moiliiii, with whieli he Sheuld have the hostwar wt etraeltulingr. The snore be had eerasigh•re.t Orli sobjeet, the snore be rejoie.d toast : kit load not blest Called upon sis tote on the iaasittif brought Weft the Howe alt itiedt,. by the Hon. Menthe/ lei s Arlin& In the. tket instance, be IliiMigift the ednifnet of the Atter,- ,neyatieneralkil fires oppressive • but tWitiliiiseiti of that Xliabt on. Geirletnan of the pecitliar rise h e h a d to do with, "‘rifiitly elititigt4l 'hit optdidi..' if 64 ilf3s ree ding by . exosiffem igiforniation was et all to he saori tioned, he thoßght the veer, rase discluseil be ibe eta*. melt of the Attorieyableneral, .was the one to call far that sanction; and he, therefore, could never hare con curred in the propmed vote of censure upon the 1411 t lloentirable Gentlentsii. The power exercised hp the A - taruey-tfeneral appeared in the case in qttestion to hitelfr been ekereised for the prweetion of the reel+. ; sod. sill' regard to the pekuns &reused; he thought it was impossible fur the Atierney-fieneral to prikerd in a mole more iiviiiiialTe to %heat then that Whii7ll hr fialff4p - Pit It was only when the ordinary 160 !e of &Mining ji - lice bad bee* Mewled t 4 withoisreifeat; that reentiese should be bad to melt it promitillog is Haw of et odfteit• information. Ile wished every Attorney-General ttoif.i follow the examp'e of the Right thinllfenthinsn ; h.- deed be wished they *ete 'Made to folltewlL—lft'oishe t every Arorney-Getieral were cooped-ii first tit ley his case before n Grand Jury, and, on its being theown out by them, to peoceed es-offieio at his ow n.ra. This was a course rather in favour of the accused,. became it gave him the b..nt nit of the impression cre.iteil by the burnt ledge • that a Grand jury hid • pronoutteed a favourable opinion en his mak. But a hen Ms power was Instifiell, he found It was always by the patikez of extreme cotes: Blickstmot bed &aired that it eras a porn to he net eised otily in cake of great fecesSity.—Yet tlits practice, justified only is eftseme cases, Was generally put in prac tice in all. 'Fife alignment of Sir liartheloutew likelier had been quoted in its defence; butt he (Ste Francis Bar tlett) thought that that ereutuest by it. means applied. Indeed, if it were insint.ineel to its full wrist, it wont..e go td'saliction the preceding ex-rliejo; eves live-Met i , l tiigti Treartnt. Bat in this particular ease, be wished' it to be distinctly understo od as Ms o p inlob, that no odium could be ettarbed to the Wiest lino. Gentleman. lie thought, indeed, that his present motion would. ' have been perfectly unnecessary had it rot Artificer the statements of the Right lion. tientlethatt in the course of his tlefeni . e on a former night. Themx statements kid been met by a direct negative on the pert of the friends of the High Sheriff, who was offeeted by them ; and ho thought it necessarily followed that inquiry should take G place. He deprecated what he called the mischiernua doc trine of so acting as to give oat caute of triumph to either arty. This he considered as a refusal of justice to ei her party.—The lion. and Learned Gent. (Mr. Cenrtenat N we believe) who maintained this doctrine on a former even . - ing, had treated the question then before the House as a contest between the Grange and the Catholic party. The lion. Member fur Armagh had c rtatnly confined his motion to the articular occasion, au occasion which 'hewed the anomaly of a Lord Lieutenant and an Attoreity-Geaeral, en deavouring to protect the people pgaiest a factibe. In such an endeavour it was of course a question of discretion after all; and he was free to confess, that if the Attorney - General had not stated in his defence facts which affected his character of others, he should have thought say farther proceedings unnecessary. Ile thought however that Nliait ters ought not to have left the Right litre. Gentleman in a state of ambiguity, and he could not see'upon what ground his present motion would be opposed, or :or what purpose, or by whoa. Ile was sure the Attorney-General c mid not think of opposing it ; and others had &eh:red that the She- MI himself wished for inquiry. He had heard it whispered that the motion would be met by some ame.elment, founded upon as intention of the Attorney-General to prosecute the Sheriff. Ile wished the question to be considered without reference to any party feeling ; and he therefore should op pose any amendment, such as he had mentioned; because it would be sending the accused to trial with the weight of the opinion of the House added to the accusation. At all even ts, it was unfit that the question should rest where it vas at present. Re thought the House Shout(' be in possession of the whole case; and, with the view to wive the House the full possession of that case, lie moved. - that the etatement of the Attorney - Dener el, made in his place in that Wase out the 13th of April insta.d, respecting the proceedings on the trial of Forbes, the Handwiches, end Graham. renders it incumbent on this House to Mediate..am imptiry Quo die conduct of the Sheriffs of Dublin on that occssiar. - Mr.PLUNKETT assured the House,tbat the observations he would make on the present motion would he vi ry (es. lie thought it would be unbecoming in him to oppose bi gotry; but he did not think that his case stood upon ilk. question stated by the Ilenourattle Baronet. The questioa iit his case, was one of diseretion entirety, and when once it was resolved into thet,, it was not because an lionmtatee Member might differ from hint on that subject, that there fore be should censure him. To censure him, the Maw levet not only differ from him on the quorai a as to his er ereise of that discretion, but must also decide that motif.: ocfasolpopnr.essiiioentaotrly m ad a m lic it e te h d ad th i e n7 .. e:t y . o i r ie La c q o u u ir in b ot oi li w u t thank iblli th e d t t i h o a n t o h u i a rs:: s e a :a c e: l i n o e n t . f .i tt i fur the t t i l o i e t a g t o l a s t il l e s i t n a b n u d l y li u . :a u n t :: is w h i ch he hrol introduced the [notion, a manner iadeed which never forsook the liOn)unOle Baronet upon any or ' question. If his case was esinplete, and he submitted that it was. without referee( e to rite subject matter of the llos. Baronet's motion, he could not be at all affected by it. fit gust here observe, that on occasion of his Address to tbe House. wherein he had made the statements respectbet ing Be High fiheriff of Dublin, lie was not an accuser, at. n• eased. Ile was stating his own exculpation. /image.* was aware that It involved the conduct of other istibridratt• Ills defence was, that he believed the facts he statastio the House; and, so behaving MOO, the ql . es ti e n was..vdtrno he was not bound to act as he had do ne ? If itebefie" fed that rev sin circumstances had tgenspir4, idl.le!. lilt to spew that the minds of the Grind Jury (..iirm e rfsur am* habits or- whatolse, it mattered no t ) were aothserkite to lead Item to a pi oar cenicauction on Be s evidenceaite ll fr rata riatht to take the measures Imbed-take" to obtsiano! eo tell son ? tie considered Memel .to bate no n' wo .ccqcera in the present motion, though heal:add - hi' ' - 1'; % tfligl rprt tltter of iii s k y, 4'. %pot tiun. a ru Com IN II they the pro! tilor (}{,. -.TR