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Witness. in continuation, stated, that there was an English sailor on board the polacca, who went as far as Athens; and then left them ; witness had been ordered to attend the Admi ralty, where he was asked when he had seen the sailor, James Adams last, and if he knew wnere he was. Examined by the Lords. Under the circumstances in which you believe Bawd to have s l e pt under the tent, did it convey to your mind any suspicion o f a n ispproper connexion between Bergami and her Royal Highness ?...It did not. Did you not think it improper Bergami's sleeping in the same tort with her Royal 'Ugliness ?...Ne ; from all the circum • stances I did not think it improper. The hatches were not closed, all the doors were open below, there was no mystery in it. I would ask Lieutenant Hownam, as a married man, if be would have no objection to Mrs. HOWDAM sleeping in the same tent with a male servant and the light put out ?...I think that every person judges of his own wife without comparisons. I can only answer the question by saying that I make no such compa- Did you feel no impropriety in a male and a femal so sleeping? —Contadering all the circumstances I certainly did not, I have seen her Royal Highness in such peculiar situations. What do you mean by these peculiar situations it... 1 have seen her Royal Highness, at Ephesus, sleep in a shed in which you would not put cows in this country, among horses, Turks, mules, &c. Adjourned at Four o'clock. THURSDAY. OCT. 12. NINTH DAY OF THE DEFENCE. The House met this morning, at ten o'clock. Prayers were read by the Bishop of Bristol. On the roll being called o►er, the ab-entees were more numerous than on most preceding days. MODE OF Ctoss•EXAsslwATloN.—The Earl of BLEB . SINGTON rose, and observed, that in a Morning Paper which he held in his hand (we believe the Tints), it was remarked that, in consequence of the hurried rapidity with which questions were put to a witness, the man was driven into sech confusion, that he did not know what he raid. His Lordship thought this objection would be obviated if each fluestion, as put to the witness, was repeated by the short hand writer before being answered. The LORD CHANCELLOR said. that after a questioniwae put. and the answer given. the short hand writer should repeat them to the House, but more certainly could not be allowed. Lieut. Movetraen . was pow recalled, and appeared at the Bar. Examined by their Lordships. By Lord LINGSTON.—What ships have you served in ?... Many. Be so goud as to name them. and the Captains ?...The Afritaine, Captain Manby the Lively. Captain Hammond; the Centaur, Sir Samuel Ho od; the Baiflenr, Captain APLeod; the Lavinia, Lord Wm. Stewart; the Itesistanee, Capt. Adams and Captain Rozenhagen; the Andromeda, Captain PeJlew ; and the Uriciailated, Captain Usher. How many years have you been in the service ?...Since the early part of 1803, By Lord DAR NLEY....What was your opinion of Bergami as a servant of her Royal Highness ?...I must confess that he was exceedingly attentive. and most ready in his duty. Was he a man who was more likely than any other to be selected, on account of his fidelity and attachment, to guard her Royal Highness'-1 should think that the way in which I have seen him treated by the Marquis Giuzilieghri, and other persons, was likely to operate to that effect. Yon were asked yesterday a question respecting Mrs. Howson, supposing her to be in a situation similar to that of the Prim/ales, sleeping with a male person, under the same tent, which ganglia you declined to answer. Pray how old is Mrs. Hownantioem, (Expressions of disapprobation from many of their Lordshipe.) She is about thirty years of age. Are you living together as man and wife ought to d 0?... (Strong tokens ofd isapprobation.) The LORD CHANCELLOR said. that the question was quite inadmissible. It was ordered to be struck out. Lord DARNLEY....Are you acquainted with Lienteniat Flynn?...! am. Do you believe him to be a man of honour and veracity? The LORD CHANCELLOR...The only question which tan be put to this effect must be—la Lieutenant Flynn a man to be believed on his oath? Lord DARNLEY....Do you think Lieutenant Flynn is a man who is to be believed on his oath ?...I believe Lieutenant flynn to be a perfect man of honour. Earl GROSVENOR....Have you any reason to believe. from the violent attack which was made on her Royal Hightwee's house at Genoa; or from any other circumstances, that bee Royal Highness bad any particular apprehension as to bee puma safety ?...She had, because she mentiosed it to me. By Lord RA DNOR....You have said that at Cadwahe bee Royal Highness dined with the Grand Duke, except en use occasion when she dined with the hisrgravine ,• did you diair with her Royal Highness on these occasions ?...I did. You have said that her Royal Highness also supped with the Duke and Margravine. Did you sup along with ha ?...I did. I At what hour did they dine?...l cannot precisely recollect; it was late in the evening, 1 think. llave you any recollection of the lateness of the hours of the evening parties at that Court?...! think they broke up about twelve o'clock. By Lord DARLINGTON....Durin the long examination which you have undergone, you have o ften used the words, that her Royal Highness slept under the tent. Do you mean thrt she slept, in the ordinary acceptation of that word. with her clothes of c.. 1 do not believe that her Royal Highness ever took her clothes otf while on board the polacca. except to change her sees during the day. This is my firm belief. I mean sn the voyage back tiara Jaffa. On the first voyage she slept in her cairn. You have not positively said that Bergami also slept under le tent ?...1 never saw him there. hut you have stated your belief that he did sleep there. Ant I to understand that he, in like manner, slept on the other bed eh his clothes on ?...I do not believe Bergami ever tooh his lithe, off: I never saw any bed clothes on that bed. Ho you know where her Royal Highness changed her clothes her return from Jaffa?...Below, in her own cabin. Lord ELL EN BOROUG H.... Have you any personal know edge that the doors and hatchways were always open ?...I have livsys seen the door of the dining room open, and as I stated fore, I have gone up the ladder at a late hour. The hatchway then open, and 1 do net know that it ever was shut. Could the lustdiway be closed without removing the ladder ?... t could not be clusW without opening the tent. Where was the cover of the hatchway itself ?...The hatchway as is the deck, and the batches on the deck. Lord CI.IIeDEN.—You said. that after the voyage from Jaffa Syracuse. her Royal Highness was extensively fatigued Did e not complain of hesleo being swelled, from nut being in bed ? .1 remember that fact. fhe Earl of LAUDERDALE.—Did she tell you her legs etc swelled .I—She did, in talking of the fatigue she underwent being on deck. I think it was for forty days or more. Are you a Knight of the Order of St. Caroline 1-1 am. Have you any diploma as such ?—1 have, I can produce it. 1 ask you, recollecting thatyou had dined at her Royal High . a table when Bergami was waiting there. where Ins brother s waiting; and recollecting that they had afterwards dined it her Royal Highness. and that Bergsmi had slept in the 'ton board the ship where her Royal Highness was, do you !severe in stating. upon your oath, that you saw her Royal ieheess do nothing unb e coming her station ?—/ speak fife self. 1 have we greater claim asyseff than the persons 1 have it'd. 1 haws urn persons sating at the table al lice Royal .TRE NATIONAL REGIII.TSR Highness when their fathers were in waiting, and knowing her 'royal Highness's manner of treating all around her, 1 do say that there was not any thing in her conduct to outhorim mot an opinion, Thin answer excited great sensation in the House. Did yon ever wait at table yourself?...No. Did your mother ever wait at table ?—No. Mr. naouGuan—" What, ask a Lieutenant in the Navy it he ever was a servant." _ Have you any relations who have ever served at her Royal Highness's table? believe not. If desire to know whether you consider a common courier and a Lieutenant in hii Mejeay's Navy equally entitled to sit down at table with her Royal Hig hness ?...I consider that any person sit. ting down at her Royal Highness's table, by her Royal High ness's command. would au th orise a person of much higher rank than a Lieutenant in the Navy to sit down at table with him. No other dunk Lordships having any questions to put to the witness, The ATTDENET.GENERAL requested to be permitted to ask witness if he had a Genoese servant of the name of Francisco, at Ruccanelli ?...I had a servant of that name, but not when at Ruccanelli. The witness was ordered to withdraw. Gram:ilk Sharpe. Esq was called in, and being sworn, was ex. ammed by Mr. Doman. Have you resided in India ?...Yes I have. Did you ever sec the Moorish dan ce called. " Dimma Dims ?" ...I have seen the Moorish dance, but I do not know that it was distinguished by that name. Was it accompanied by expressions 9... Yes by various un meaning words which I not recollect. Wu there any thing indecent in that dance, or unfit for a woman to witness ?...Certainly not. Where are the hands placed during the dance ?...In various positions, generally . about the bead. Was it sect:inputted by gestures I... Yes, throughout. And unmeaning bounds, which formed a tune to dance to P... Yes, they sing to kind of tune. Where have seen this dance ?...In Calcutta. In what place ?. .At the Government house. Who were present ?...The Governor General the Marquis of Hustings. Was the Marchioness of Hastings there ?...Yes, she was. And other ladies 9... Yes there were other ladies. Was the Bishop of Calcutta present ?...He was. And the Bishop's lady 9...Ye5, she was present. I need not therefore ask if there was any indecency ?...Certainly there was no indecency. And that is the common Moorish dance ?...It is. Crosc.exsanined by Mr. PARKE. There are many other Moorish doom- in India 9.-Yes, but they are all of the same character, only some are quicker and some slower. Their Lordships did not ask the witness any questions, and he was ordered to withdraw. &ultimo Guaiare was sworn and examined by Dr. LUSRIINOTOK. I have been in the service of the Princess of Wales as bettor. It was my duty to keep watch over the working people; to mark down their accounts. and pay them their wages on the Sidarday ; to take care of the wine for the family; and to do all other services required by the master of the house. I performed these duties to the Villa d'Este, in the gardens of the Villa d'Este, the vine yards, &c. I know Luigi Galdini. He is a mason by trade.--I I employed him at two Milan lines wages per day. Ido not know Paolo Rugazzoni. 1 remember the Grotto at the Villa d'Este. I remember there being two statutes them of Adam and Eve.— They were placed in the grotto of the first rotundas. There was not the least alteration made in any of the rooms where the sta. totes stood. There was nothing done to the cornices of the rotunda or octagonal room in which they stood. There was a cor nice made in one et the other octagonal rooms. Ask him to describe the rooms in which the statutes were Witness asked for some pacer, and made a drawing of the grotto, and the rooms wheretne statutes were placed, and the room where the cornice was repaired, with the Could a person working at the corner of tf: age. roots possibly see the statutes in the other, in which they were placed I—They could not. Why 9... because the images of the communication is crooked which prevents tne sight. Did the statutes of Adam and Eve ever stand in any other room in that grotto, except the one he has described ?...They did not. Was there any other room in the grotto Feint Ithe one he has mentioned ll—lt was made into two rooms, in a square room, and the one I have marked. . Could you see statutes in any of these rooms, where the nor. nice was snide ?...No. When were the statutes removed from that grotto I... Before the return of her Royal Highness. Return from where 9... Her return from her journey in Turkey. To what room where these statutes removal ?...Into one of the Mosaic rooms which were built in that palace. W ere there rot,ms finished before the return of the Princess 9... They were. The workmen were also removed; they had all left these rooms. The scaffolding was also removed front the Mosaic rooms about eight or ten days befure the Princess's return. The rooms were then fit for the reception of her Royal Highness. I came direct from Villa d'Este. 1 saw several persons of Governs ment taking designs and plans, but this I don't know. I saw an architect. named Ralli, taking plans for her Royal Highness. I do not know the exact epoch. It is about three or four months from this time. The architect Belli lives at Milan. I came with Cinemas here. Fourteen witnesses-4a bus in the house.) 1 did not conduct the witnesses here. When did you set out to come here ?...On the 10th of Septem ber the last time. Were you examined before you came here 9...1 was. W here 9... At Milan. By whom ?...The Advocate Covatzioind an Englishman named Henry. I told what was true to the Advocate. Have you received any thing for yourself ?...I have not. Ate you to reeeeive any thing ?...I ask for nothing. If her Majesty will make me a present I will receive it, but I will ask fur nothing. I came here to tell the truth. Examined by the Peers. Earl GROSVENOR.—I request to look at the sketch of the rooms drawn by the witness. It was handed to his Lordship. Examined by Mr. Parke. When was this plan made?—.About half an hour before I came to this House, Is it a correct plan of the grotto?...lt is. Could a person so placed behind the pilaster see the statues of Adam and Pave °—l believe not, because the pilaster is out of the room, and on the side of the room where the statues are. GUISJITE GAROLINI. sworn. Ezawinal by Mr. Williams. From what country do you come ?...From What Int4iiess are you i...A mason. Was you ever employed by the Princess of Wales at the Villa d'Este ? .1 was. Did you know a person named Regazzoni ?...I did. Is he a master workman. or a common workman ?...Hc is a day workman. lie hail him under his employment at Villa d'Este. He remembered there being statutes in toe grotto, there was a scaffolding up in a part of the grotto, that was the only scaffolding; from this scaffolding it was not possible, by any mews. to see them, as the pwge was winding. He knew a =lof the name of Haste I, his othei name was Jaseppi, saw ute lie left Milan 331 Do you recollect my thing being said by Rastelli about wilr newel being wanted to appear against the Princess. The Solicitor-General objected to the question, unless RastaMl evidence pointed to it. Mr. Brougham....We have two grounds for esamlnitior. The Mt is the agency of Rastelli....The second, nautili's own ad. mission. The Solicitor General said, Ra-telli had denied giving money to any witnesses, but if his Learned Friend could prove he did give money to a witness, it would be open to hint to do so. The Lord Chancellor....We will go on with the culmination tomorrow.—The House adjourned. TENTH DAY OF THE DEFENCE. FRIOAT, OCT. 13. At twenty minutes past ten Counsel were called to the Bar. Lord LAUDERDALE expressed a wish that Lieutenant Heenan' should produce his diploma as a Knight of St. Caroline. Guisippe Gra-dint, the witness under examinallem at the adjournment of the House last evening, was again called to the Bar, and his examination proceeded. You were employed as a builder at Villa d'Este I—Yes I as master. Were you paid as yea went along, for was there a bill rue up 7—Before her Royal Highness set oat fur her lung jio 'ney I was paid regularly; after her departure we entered into a contract fur 74,000 litres, under the direction of Ratti, the architect; after this there was more work, and the amount was 145,500 litres. Did, nu ever see at the time that sum was due to you —Yes. Do you remember his mentioning that bill 1-11 e asked me if that was my hill, and I said, after deducting what 1 had received, there remained 45,500 litres. Was any thing said about the manner In which this should be paid I—Yes. What was it / The SOLICITOa-thiNrcii objected to this conversation. • The LORD CHANCELLOR.—Von may, I Batik, ask the witness, does lie know of Rastelli• having offered himself the witness, or any other individual money. Mr. Williams—May I not ask, did he offer money, or money's worth. Do you recollect at any time Rastelli offering you any money I—He said, if my account was not liquidated, to give it to him, and he would contrive to see me paid. What were you to do for Blatt—He told me to give my account to him, for there were Englishmen at Milan, and he would see me paid. What did he say, at the ante time, you were to def, He told me, if Iliad any thing to say against her Royal Highness, as I had been a long time in her service, to tell it to him ' and he would endeavour to see me paid. •At that sums time, or at any other, bad you any eon ' Venation with Rastelli as to what you were to do as a witness ' The Solicitor General objected to this question. Lord EILSKINE was decidedly of opinion that the House must adopt one of two courses; either they must allow the present examination to go coni or they mast call Rest( Ili back again, that he might be confronted with the present witness. in ordinary cases, the trial was bnislied in a day, and sorry was he that he had lived to see trials extended to two or three days; it was >t great evil, and ought to have beau suffered. It was a practice infringing on the rules of justice, and the present was one of the evils arising out of this course. Lord LIVERPOOL aid sot rise to give any opinion on this point of form, hat only to say, be had not the smallest objection that at the proper time the conduct adopted by those Gentlemen who load formed what was called the Milan Commission, should undergo the fullest investiga tion. Lord CARNARVON...." My Lords, it is impossible to preceed one step further in this odious, profligate, and dress& obis asearers, without having before us relative to this agency. Until the transactions ire unravelled, the characters of all throe who have had any concern in the Commistions or were at its disposal, • and under its authority are practically talated.—A discredit is fixed upon them,- which is of itself calculated to destroy the case which has . bees brought forward in support of the bill.—(Hear, hear.) • I cannot bring myself to think that your Lordships would, after the establisbeem of that which has been just stated at the Bar, think of entertaining, for one hour longer, a Hill which has been the greatest cu r se that lons :ever falleu upon this country !—(loud and repented cries of hear, hear, bear l) If I am nalstakeu in supposing so, I can by that we are doing aeilber more star less than signing the dent h war. rant or the British r.rnistizution!—(Load cries of hear !) and undermining all the securities of national justice, stabi 11ty, aud honour, l—(Hear, hear !)—I cannot contider this 'notion as a matter of dry law. It appears from the evil. deace, which, on one side, is concluded, that three years have elapsed since any of the arts to which that evidence refers were committed—a period of such length, that even if treason had been the crime alleged, it could not have been tried. his testa case which interfered with the ionerests of every one, not even, as far as I can see, with the private interests of those who Bate entangled themselves in the pro ceeding amid wished toentangle ill it every interest lit the coun try. They leave hi ought odium oil the Government; they have excited a feeling, which never can be excited without danger —not probably immediate danger, but danger that can Dever be small, in a country where popular feeling must be titepillar mid prop of all its institutions?— (Hear, hear.) They have excited a feeling which is sapping the foundation of all that is valuable nodded,. to us. Although l may have • hitherto abstained from calling un your Lordships to put an end to this pi oceedieg, under an impre• that there might possibly heigrouints which made the necessity for it imperious, I can nu longer he withheld from doing no, when, un the a hole fate of the case, es shewa ie evidence, there is nothing ii h .tever to nut ram it, even as a memos of expediency.— ' And what state for imerferenee can be more limper shah present I—li this charge against the agents of the prusecutoun be substantiated, is I titre one of your Lordships who will not think flint the greatest service yaps can do to the advocates of the Bill, to the party iisterested in it--.if such party exi,ts, :hough w here 1 know not ! will be in rid them of the pm ' sure of the inillptone which they have got round their necks, earl which threatelis to drat down not only than, but every thing on which the hopes of the country are Set 1— (Bear, hear, hear!)—However unusual it piny be in orriinary ritsea la interfere sit tire midst of it proserut 1111 l , I conceive that every consideration of usio:e or forst ought to give way ma case like the prese.ml, the moistens yea have evidence before you of a system of svoisornation of perjury on the part of Ilse prosecution ! I think that your Lordships are bound to re ceive evidence of that subisruni ism moil acts being est.,blish , tf. I that you will not do justice it' vin do not instantly fauna sot the Bili!"—(is Is la. atsau Y ro..Lioorotuoicbtluird elicersfrusa all parts of the Ho,.se.