The Statesman. — London, England, 1820-07-07 00:00:00

. • " • ' Pre vit - ' Pr,- t ' 1 • 3N A N • taQ - , • , . • . 11 1 s i • - Aittkt C-74(1U111.41.4:1) 'AU bt ttzutitn. afr • LON DON, FRIDAY, "JULY 7, 18110 - . No. 4703 " The Coon . for which lIAMPDEN -felt is the Field, and SYDNEY died on the Sealokl!" PRICR SIM= PENCF. E tGLE FIRE .LSI) LIFE OFFICES, coursu.L. I'.D OkrOSITE THIC HAT- WIRKET. _ - _ 1,/PA IC4L PAPLIAMEN T. HOUSE CT LORDS, TuutsDAT, JULY Lordships. He was authorised to state that this was the only stage of the business that now could allow her Majesty to make the statements to which he alluded with any effect. Ar.d that she felt it a matter of se rious detriment that her petition should have been rejected yesterday, and that she was not all need to be heard before the Bill was read a first time. Last of all, her Majesty had to complain of a certain Report, which was stated to h: ye been laid on the table of that Mute, but of which, as a Parliamentary document, of course her Majesty could know nothing. However, it was not to be concealed that that Report had gone abroad, and 'iad been made known to the public in every shape and form of announcement. Its substance I.bad Wen stated in print and spoken of, and every per son—amn, woman, and child, could repeat it to the letter. It had appeared in all the newspapers; it formed the subject of all conversation; it was a topic , f universal interest; but it might, fur aught he knew, be a fabrication—a gross and scandalous libel on their Lordships' ommittee. But as the charges which that Report was said to convey hail been so generally and cmysistently circulated, and as their Lordships had not committed or visited with any marks of their displea sure any of the persons who had dared to prostitute their pens and tongues to the publication of such charges, be - could slot but feel such conduct un the part of their Lordships as at bast affording some foundation for believing that the Rerun had a Goma fide existence, and upon this point her Majesty was most desirous of being heard. If the Report did ex ist, it contained statements which went even beyond 1 , th e Bill ; and which could not be affirmed by the pass ing of the Bill, or negatived by its being thrown out. Those statements might, however, Lave the effect of exciting prejudices the most injurious to her Majesty's cause. and ought to be answered without delay. He therefore submitted, with all respect to the House, that (*mimel were to speak g 1)y to the whole of the proceedings, and that the subjects which he bad parti cularised were the only ones on which be had received instructions. which to oppose it; but en the second reading of the Bill, whenever that might be moved for by any Noble iced, it wocld be competent to every person interested in the -Bill to be heard upon it. Their Lordships, he insisted, could not bear Counsel generally at present, without making a surrender of all their functions. The Marquis of Las:snows: was of opinion that the hearing of Counsel generally, and the allowin, them to state those eirclainstauces which might affect the THE DIHFUTORS respectfully- submit to the Peblie the ad atitages to persons inured at these Oates: the terms are tinus.oill) liberal, with tbio beseita of seer! other Care cumbiaei. The payment of rent la allowed to !defers by tire. without increase of premium: no charge 14 made for Pelicieg: responsibility can be 'nearer& as partnership t4ocieties, wherein ever) owe is liable for wl to the Went of Isis whole propertv.—Life Insurances rt n t us or ; tirrhase of Annuities offered to the Pobile oa the same elpsiotble terms.—Mitimimmer Pon e.. 4 shoal be renes‘red within Fifteen Days. W. BFIETIIAM. See. On the motion of Lord Aro:nt.sxn, the order of the dly for rommitti or the Insolvent Debtors' Bill wu disehareed, sad the Bill ordered tosbe conimittbd to morrow. The Labourer!' Wares Bill was - read a second time. On the motion of the Martinis of Lamanowx, the Capital Punishme ,its Repeal Bill was read a second time. proceeding by Bill at all wound be most eonfvrinaLle to the ends of justice. The Loan CHANCILLOR said a few woids in support of the opinion which be had before advanced. Earl tin neve:von thought that an point of form on t7h t to hare the force of precluding Counsel frmu being beard, in order to show that these were strong rea sons to induce their Lordships to alter their course of proceeding. The refusal to hear those statements now might place their Lordships in an unpleasant sillimme, which ought, if possible, to be avoided. Lord LAVDRRDALR denied that Conissel ought to be heard generally until the second reading. It would then be a conclusive arguntent if Counsel could show that it was not a case for legislation. The LORD CHANCELLOR again spoke in support of his motion, and said, that on the second retailing Counsel could be heard without prejudice to their ar gument, as against a legislative measure. Lord liou.sxn thought the situation of her Ma jesty one of peculiar hardship. Whether Counsel were to he heard now or hereafter was a question obit-it ought not to be decided by a reference to forms, for the whole proceeding was anomalons, and ought to he re plated •by the circumstances of its own case. row intently with the ends of substantial justice. If I'.tne ad could not he heard against the Bill until the second Pesdittr, then they could not be heard until the e% Agate in support of the accusation had been gone into, en which the second reading was to be moved. Tins Ibe case on the part of the accusation would be heard before Counsel could object to the mode of pro speeding, and the most serious injury might be done to I e accused, although the Conusel should then succeed in their application. He (Lori! Holland) (Told net understand what was meant by the mole of proceetlittr. if it did not mean the mode of proceeding by a Bill at all. In that case, the matters of facts might faioly be stated in support of the argument against a Bill, sad might the better enable Counsel to prove that each measure would be onerous to their client. A no thee could these statements be so well wade as rashes Ike Bill was presented, since they were not allowed to be made before. NEXT WEDNESDAY. 11111 S LAST AN I) ONLY DAY, when the Lor- Ttll• /1414111114. AND ALL FOUR PRIZES or THIRTY THOUS AND POUNDS. 'totems HT uTMna % ambit Avs, and Gonsult, MUST BE MAIM. cApOLL, Costractor. Cornbill, gad 16, ("steed stmt. u i dga, where Warrented Undress Tickets tied %e l e m....a kis° at his Agents in the Coaatry. Ciateuusbired and sold in the last few Months. 4.147 ....... 30.( 1 110 i.tlo.t 13.0/10 701 11. 11 00 11,126 4 001) 1.113 9.1.000 . lc. &e. - _ MILLARD'S BR EAST INDIA AND FOREIGN .AND ITle/1 WAISHOUSE, No. L. Chum's. mign LINEN' AND FRENCH C.tMBRICR. dMILLARD most retire fully acquaints the No • bible sad Families his Irish Linens. In seven-eighths and roar-fourths. ef the !spring Meath are arrived. with sne Sheeting!' of the same fabric, together with a large im portation of French Cambrics. and a considerable quantity to coupons-or ruenants. J. M. r e spectfully informs families arriving from abroad. ilc...thry ran select from the accustomed variety of every darteriptlea of the choicest Foreign and British Linen Dra pery. and Tiri , ish Muslin,. and those for Gentlemen's' Cresatsbs the pome. demy. &c. Curious Shawls. with those adapted for the Corona.ion : the newest fashionable article.. is *kite and Colours. for Evening and :Horning Dress. at lied prices ; Dee act economical Dimities and printeti Fur 'limn.* for the drag :of.---toon, beds. it r.. anti the finest British isaufsetered goods for the foreign market and superior kaile use. ledia Mauls, and curious articles from Pekia and Can- PETITION FII OM THE Ql . t7EN.—Lord. DICRS rose to present a pt tition from her Majesty, in wllich he said her Majet•ty could not help expressing•ftr surprise at the coarse of proceeding which had WWI' adopted arainst lane; but she still prayed that she might be heard by Counsel at the Bar. Oa ad pre sent relliutesse, he hid reason to benne, thatll'6r Lordships would not be hisstile to the request, as from what had been said by Noble Lords on the opposite. side •.f the House, in the course of the debate rester ' day evening, there t ould be no objection to hear Coun sel after the first rt ading of the Bill. On the motion of his Lordship, •the petition was then brought up, and read as follow s:-- "THE HUMBLE PI TITION ORDER MA,IKITY CAROLINE, QUEEN CONSoIt TO THE LORDS PPIRITI AL AND TrMPORAL, IK PAWLIADIENT vg”.:lettLEn. " The Queen has heard, with inexpressible astonishment, of the proceed* s of the House of Lords; proceedincs which hate in sew the disoolting of her pritilegen, and fconded upon the Report of a Secret Committee, before whom she had int Counsel to assert her rights, and et ho hove proceeded entirely on written papers, and by whom no witnesses have been examined. She further learns, with sur hrise and regret, that her Counsel were last night refused a earing at the Bar of the House of Lords; and further, that a list of the witnesses, on a future occasion, to be produced against tier. has been reln•ed to her. Under such ciretiet stances. her Majesty doubts •nether she can do more titan make her most sulenth prut.'st against Cie whole of such pro ceeding +. Still, however. she relies on the justice of your Lordships. and still prays that her Counsel may be heard at your Bar to state her claims." The LOKI) CHANCELLoR observed, that the petition did nut state what the points were to which Counsel were to be heard. He contended, that it would be irregular, after the Bill had been a first tune, to hear Counsel on the part of aity person interested is it, un til it had been moved to read it a second time, and the proofs had been gone Ctrough which would justify :t second reading. It was stated in the petition of yes terday, that Counsel were entrustei with the commu nication of weighty 'natters, which might affect the conduct of her future defence; hut then that defence, it was presumable, might never be cAlled for. It was . averred, that the facts which were to be stated might affect the nature of the proceedings; bet thou the re gular tau, purchased. JUNIPER'S E‘SENt E of PEPPERMINT. by HkATH. &THIS ENNENt E is a cafe, effectual. and pleasant .1.11 remedy in Flatniences. Gouty, and ('holier Pains in *Women and /1,.% els. Indigestion. Hysterics. Relaxation sod Laasituste. arcing from atmospheric heat, *ant of appe llee, and in the ..r.-troilie affection of the stomach sued beanie, so COINITOU to Infants. ibensca Of PIIPPEIta INT is SO w.O known as a valuable Fondly Medicine. that the principal object of this Advertise ment is to guard purchasers arainst the numerous Counter *thimble% are prepared by Druggists. Re. The only can tos J. P. HafTO .eau give, is to see that J. P. HS STR. is engraved on theGoverusnent Stamp. aPrice fla. mad Is. lid. Sabi by E. Edwals (agent to He trio. M. Rt. Paul's ilbeeb-yert and also by Sanger. Oxford-street; Ward. - basil; Amato?. opposite the Pantheon. Gifted-street ; bestemitlitirkt; Wilmoti. London-bridge ; Furse, • Co..,kw m erthy. and Co. ; Plyouth ; Benet. c °l = ' Priebtri. Deal, &e. 11c. Counsel wrre then ordered to withdraw. The Loan CH•NeaLLOM said, that it was not con sistent with the usual way of administering jiistice in that House, that Counsel should br heard generally. her should confine themselves to the mode of pro ceeding, the time, delay, or any other substantial ground necessary for doing complete justice to her Majesty. Bat a statement of other !natters, in order to induce their Lordships to alter their course of pro ceeding, would be so anonsalsts a course to allow, that it .ought by no means to he permitted. 1 he matters to he stated were either matter of fact, or matter of law; if matter of fact, there was no principle lon which it could be stated in the present course of the proceedings; and if matter of law, the necessity for it might never occur. He could may govern his , own conduct be his own opinion. He would submit to whatever the liouse thought fit to direct; but it would be with the greatest grief that he could •ee a precedent established in this c.sse.whieh could in Other cases be made applicable to the ends of justice. Lord Wear, we ttn•lcrstood to tinggest, that the Counsel shonld be called in. and instructed by the House, as to the points on which they were to be heard. _ _ Earl Gaut again spoke in support of the prayer of the petition. He said, that if Counsel were nut allowe I to state their objectione to the mode of proceeding lq Dili until the secotel reading, that then It might ap-, pear the Howe hurl rose so mach useless trouble ; for if their Lordships did not think it a mere mockery to hear Counsel on the second reading. they might to presume that matters might he stated of so mach weight and importance as to induce their Lordships t throw out the Hill; and then all their labonr wonl.l be lost. There was every consideration that ought to weigh with the House to enforce the propriety of hear ing Cougsel against the Bill in the present stage. It would facilitate jus , ii e. diminish trouble, prevent delay, and allay much public agitation. As to irrcra larity, it was no argument in the present case, wi.i , s hail been from the outset irregular. It was not con sistent with the forms of the House,that Counsel sho: , lri have been called in at all, yet that had been dale, and was properly done; anti he could nut think, that a formal objection ought now to prevent them heating those matters which influence their 6mil c- time for hearing 11;ein linden' yet arrived. real question was, not w hether Counsel should he CA _ _ to the Bar, but whether, on bein_r called, they were to be instructed as to what points they were to confine themselves to, If they were not so instructed, they could nut be heard, unless their Lordships intended to surrender all their functions. They could not grant a bearing against the proceeding, in the present case, without interfering with the privilege of the Peer who had laid the charge on t►e table. It was altogether the most extraordinary proceeding which he had ever known to have been su4tuitted to that House. ANGEL INN, Sr. CLEIIENT . II. SIR GENERAL. OFFICE, FOR TRAVELLING. THE lollowine• MAILS and other COACHES go from the shove Inn : Paris Royal Mall. rioDover Tuesday and Friday Nights. at twelve. Portsmouth and Gosport Mail. through Ondalming. Pe torsfield, sod Ports-a. every Evening at a quarter past 7. and Sunday at. bail past 6. On its arrival a packet sails to the Isla of Wight. to convey pusiengers and parcels; and a Wail Coach sets off to Chichester, through Drayton, Hann', Emsworth. de. the Earl of LAI - Eitel:ol. said, that Counsel might be called in and questioned as to the points to which they wished to be heard, and then withdraw un!il the plea sure of the House was ascertained. If their intention was to object to the preamble of the Bill, that was an intelligible ground—if to require a list of witnesses, •that was an intelligible ground—if to request delay, ►hat seas an intelligible ground; so would be the de mand of a speedier progress of the Bill. He was of the same opinion with the Noble and Learned Lord on the Woolsack, that Counsel could he heard on the matter generally. As the petition contained no aver ments which confined them to particular points, the House should ascertain and restrict them. It seas then ordered, on the motion of his Lordship, that i l Counsel should be call II in and (incident -el as to the points on which they wislieti to address the House. Counsel was accordingly' called in, and Mr. Brougham and Mr. fleaman appeared at the Bar, when The Loan CIIANCIELIOR then proposed, that the Counsel should be called in, add restricted to the mode of proceeding oil the Bill then before the House, and the time and times of such proceeding. Earl tincv argued, that there could be no danger that the course of proceeding adopted in this case would ever ferns a precedent, as it was not likely that the occasion would ever again occur. lie also con tended, that as it was in itself a new and extraordinary case, all their Lordships Lad to consider was, how substantial justice could he done, and that Hwy should. not exclude ally thing uhich substantial justice re quired. Ile could not help thinking that the motion narrowed the instructions to Counsel too much ; It coufined them to the mode of proceeding on the pre sent Bill, and the time. But that was by no means the extent of the application of Counsel. 1 hey ap plied to be heard, not only to the mode of proceediug upon the Bill, but against the mode of proceeding by ' Bill at all. 'hat he couceived to be a good cause fur granting the hearing in the peculiar circumstances of the case. 'I hen, as to the time, it might be necessary to show whether the delay should be previous to the commencement, or in the course of the proceeding. He did not nnderstand from Counsel what the nature of the facts were which he had to urge, but it was higytly isuportant that they should he heard, as they might have the effect of inducing their Lordships to alter the whole course of their proceedings. Ile there fore did not think it right that the instructions to Counsel should be so narrowed, according So the terms of the motion, as to Pielutle them from making state ments which, in the present stage of the burins:sup might prove highly worthy of their Lordships' con sideration. He could not avoid throwing out these suggestions, in the hope of inducing the House w give more latitude to the statements of Couns‘l. Lord LIVERPOOL supported the motion. He COS tended that Counsel should not have the liberty of d l stating matters of fact, without any restraint as so' their object. He was of opinion that sufficient Ude was given by the motion ; and although he weir story desirous of hearing the Counsel., yet be could not consent to let it take place in such away as istletbfi infringe upon the privileges of s Peer. . 1 f Cailbeill were at present heard against the proceeding by 11.1N1 at all, it wooid be interfering with the privileges by' which a Peer was authorized to lay a Bill upon the table; it was therefore' very proper that they should be conboed to the mode of proceeding by the Bill brought in, and io the time and ekes of such pre ceeding. Gloucester and Milford Mail. through Henley, flacon,. i and Cheltenham. even Evening a quarter past 7, and sun- I day al half-pa,l O. Boyer and Canterbury Mail. through Gravesend. Chat ham, and 'Fevershum. every evening at a clean i quarter past 7. and Sunday at half pest O. FroutCanterberr passengers and par eels are conveyed to Deal. Margate, Ramsgate. Sands ich. , le.; and from Dover, parcels are conveyed to Folkrtone. ilisadgate. Hylhe. Dimchureh. Romney. and Lydd. Avandel and Bognor Post-coach. through Billlaxlivrst. Monday, Wednesday. and Friday. a quarter before 7. lath and Bristol Post-coach, to carry only four inside. fireegh Reading, Marlborough, Caine. and Chippenham, every Morning at A. Gs* Light Pent-coach. in two days, to carry fear inside. = Maidenhead. Reading, Marlborough. Devizes, aid m, Monday. 11 ednesday, and Friday Mornings. at S. This coach is Alien) intended for the accommodation of ▪ Invalids, & -. who cannot undergo the fatigue of ▪ distenre in one day. Itighagn Light Post-coach, through Reigate and Curl add. every Morning at 8. Cheltenham Post-coach, to carry only four inside. through at lid Oxford. every Morning at a quarter before 8. ter, Bognor, *ad Petworth Post-coach, Monday. Wilibeseay. and Friday Mornings, at a quarter before 7. Sever tad Canterbury Light Post-coach. Monday. Toes intsaTalutrstiey, Friday. and Monday Mornings , at 7. Wag nod Guildford Telegraph Coach. through Ash- Oa* Irma, Leatherhead, Be, Tuesday, Thursday, and Saturday Mornings, at 9. Godahniag and Guildford sew Coach. through Merrow. Landon, llorselev, Eflagbam, Leatherhead, and Epsom, every Afternoon at 3, escept Sunday. Margate, Rarasgste, Deal, Sandwich. and Broadstairs `Light Post-ceach, Monday, Tuesday, Thursday, Friday. sad Peachy Mornings, at 7. Oxford I.lglit Post-roach, through Henley, &c. every Morning at half past 7. ~Godatmlue and Guildford Telegraph Couch. thmuch Dfttun. Cobham. and Ripley. on Monriay, Wed . masa,. and Friday Mornings, at 9, and ever/ Sunday Mora* at 7 precise'• tad returns to London the same day . ork. Newcastle, and Edinburgh Coaches, and to all Parts of Inc North. every Morning, at a quarter past 8. Manchester, Lancaster. Kendal, Rochdale. Hndderirlield, Bradford, Leads, Mantras, Rotherham, and Shefileld, coaches, daily. The imar. CIIANCELLOIII said, that although the HOnte had committed one irregularity, it was 110 reason that it should commit every other. lie them re-stated his 14 muter argument., after which Cott nsel were cal led in. 31r. Brougham and blr. Denman again appeared at the Bar, when The LORD (:!lANI'ET.LIoR said, that he was elmantand ed by the House to alow them to he heard at the Kat, confining. themselves to th). mode of proeceding.npon the Bill. and the time and times of the proceeding..' The Luau CuaatraLwa said, that he had been com manded by the Haut^ to ask them what the points were on which they wished to be heard in supporting the prayer of the petition :? Mr. BitouutiANl then addressed the House, and said, that he now stated, in behalf of the Royal petitioner, that he was instructed to make answer generally, and to take ar. objection to the whole of the proceedings. Her Msjesty had been l.st night served with a copy of the Bill, which bad been read a first time, and orated to be printed. hat Bill contained charges of the grossest nature agaihst that Illustrious Personage, and her Majesty could not suffer the shortest interval to elapse without preferring at the liar, by her Counsel, objections to the whole course of proceedingfreditee. As a Bill had been brought in and read a first time by their Lordships, her Majesty could not hut express her regret and disappointment that she had not been heard by her Counsel yesterday before the first reading of the Bill ; and that under all the circumstances of Mr. BROI'oIIAn then addressed the House: be ftii be had some difficulty to comprehend what the partien lar points were to which the House bad limited or rather tied him down ; hut taking them up with all possible good kith and seal, be begged the Hotte, if he failed in sot catching the right sense of these re strictiona, ami elionld therefore say any, thing which might not tome exactly within their limits, to impute it to misapprehension, on points which he had - pot time to consider, and not to any intentional eleviitirom from the strict meaning of their Lordships' injunction. Ite hia been instructed by her Majesty to speak against this procedure by Hill ; hart be now gatheredfrons the restriction imposed apes him, 4s to the points to 'Aid& his observations were confined, that he would be rilritt in assuming, that their Govlships had saectiovied the proceeding by Bill, and had not ally done that, lint had come to- u mimosa derision to go on with it ; and although there were grave objections against it, had .0 ialksibly decided as to refuse to hear one word strainst that ieterminatimi. This Bill was, then, to be lucked the case, their Lordships had lot thought fit to com ply with their request. On her part, he bad to state objections applicable to the peculiar circumstances in which her Majesty was placed, and to the relation in which their Lordships might possibly be placed with regard to her, in case the proceeding went forward. He was also instructed to steak to the mode of pro ceedinx ; and touching the time, whether a stated pe riod was fixed upon, or if it u as intended to delay the further proceeding without specifying any particular time. 1 boss matters he was to go into either entirely or partially, as there was a possibility that circum stances might occur which wou!d make a furthei de lay requisite. He was sled to speak to certain matters that might be well calculates' topnolia,e as immediate effect in regard to the farther proceedings of their *pea as nualterahle for the present, sad itrasoeithie /led knows bow long; and therefore he was now tied Meths merle and time. As to the former of the twe he did sat see what he meld say upon It. There could he but one mode of proceeding with respect to a parffeu ha Bill that was established by the rules of the Hum and it Was met the pert of Cosmos! to inst►set tient open it. He had so vow mode to propose. He did not mesa to suggest that the third reading should take place befere the-serond—(A livrgh)—or that sti..ther !keret etwamittee should be appointed Whack by lletit Report the °platen of the drat. Ruch mod.. he dill out seas to propose. or any ether equally novel and fanci ful, sod w►idk he meld hardly stale with a grave eweateamea 41a the mole of proceeding, therefore, CARRIZIttI, To Twiekenhass. brentford, and Isleworth, every !Sloe- Ely. Weimer:lay. Friday. and Saturday. IE. IMES sad Co.. Proprietors. - Parcels and Packages are safely and expedideasly eon -10714 from this inn to every City, Town, Village, and Coontry Seat In the following Counties, : —Berks. Hocks. C•folvoll, Devon. Dorset, Hants, Hereford. Oloacester. iklat, Oxford, Somerset, Surrey. Susses. Wits. Worcester, Saab Wales. all parts of the Isle of Wight. Jersey. Gaeta my.. tad in parts of Frame. ; sad to all Parts of the North ••• Take mike, thet no package, mataining glass, &WC 111 . 1111 111.11111 a, endt, or Soak *otos, however easaH the WOO. ell be aermantod for, if Wet or damaged • nor say Mime prod or paseeager's luggage. of mote them N. vain,. Weis speeded as such whoa delivered at the Moe and Sabi for according') Mat Purt-Chaises, Be. at the shortest moths The Leas Cuswein.Lort stated, that although the Bin had bees mad a int time, sad her Majesty had received a eery of it, yet this was arit.the sap is 7 . 4; . a • ••• i • • - • .0- /Ai •: I .1 f • • - •t i 4, ..,A- I !~ ~, a'. I Y • .