The Statesman. — London, England, 1819-07-29 00:00:00

VI astindcd, end insisted upon;" the bre friends of the catintrg tont:mined to pritun, and node. going crcrl drpr►:otinns, trithoid trial! !! The bilk of the nation 441 in bombe to !lime whose usurpation is moo• gla✓ing and galling than the negro slare• 'Lesko-, or Ittoplims task •waster, nam►lt, the Ha remetsmanoters. th► folly and avarice of •hose ra►e. MIMI have drrv•n th► Pe o ple to a scat► of e lion, and now It it propnt.4l that such as er► di•vatithed should ospatriateihemarlres +Mims, the hop►. und►r any circuonstancos, at ever 'morning to the country *lnches. th►m ; that story should go In a land ketceen ItXX) end 3•XtO miles from any other civi lized part of the earth, used be ►educed to a situation little superior to the convicts at Botany Boy, as I tryst I shall IN abl► to thole before F, conclude. abnet nothing, and have no fnandstion iw reasons knowledge, Or consideration. In the same war, I must allow that cand..er, indulgence, aid litoteslite are immutably suited In the fermi which is got up and played by the rival polemics of Si. Stephen's, •nti 6111 he encouraged and copied, and these opinions of mine hooted down end proscrib , d es long as that faunal lasts. Rot when the curtain shall kil* fallen, urger I again lobe raised user these fnoleries, then, indeed, words will have their tine *rightism! invariable 1110110. ing, ether pokoo,and thespeakeis go ill be espected to abide by them; then shall we hear no more of those theatrics' passions which prompt Our reitiOtil to lake a Minister's head ibis day and his arm the nest t the language of furious proscription, and of fishnete panegyric, will no longer be heard in an as sembly met together, not to indulge the meinentary hugeness of indititleols. bet to promote the perma nent happiness of all. We shall have alone with that sage privilege, by which the parliamentary currency hes been debased into nothing lint local tokens, mere paltry club counters, perpelgelly changing hands, and poised, with mock solernitity, from gambler to gambler, •nd beck again, hat which are wiseste no : whete out of the room, and not worth picking up in the street. When that day Come , . we shall hear no more of the misfits of a deli' Minister, in the mouth of the man who has cnildeinned every wino of his life ; nor will men, like trope Lordship. he called upon In defend the inconsivencie• of an illustrious friend, and venture, when writing to • nation, who hare some little character for common sense, to promos the loathsome elesescenees of ha hitail hvporsisy as a beautiful featurc of our pub tic Councils.'" [To be continued.] LITERARY EMIG I ORES. _A IirrENCF: 01? THE PFIOPI.E. 111 REPLY TO LIMO ERSKINE'S TWO DEFENCES OE THE W• II (I•. The •ffaire of the last Westminster Election have sunk the Whip deeper in popular controversy than - - ogietso with their prete..sions, or their previous re. .. 4 gagoatinst. We aro not now aiding in slehato the prin. "ielplo upon which we are testingly di v ided with them, VA the propriety of settling the alert of an Empire by oriastiasul (Warns, yr 1 • 10 parliCri bet there can b• no question that the Whigs hare mistaken their :pow. party ; that they have presumed too mach, -the this preaomptlon has brought their haughttness Into niconvement, and, to them, unprofitable alter. tention aids the People; and that their opposition Mr. llookovaz is a full dentonatration of all these p.riiretars. That which is apparent from history, and p ro se 's , cirresmalancos, the editor of the pamphlet before as Las br..oght into • contiguous end Ikea,. able aeries of positions. He has established a ;dm, fa rrrrrr et, against the pristenalona of the Whigs, to soy neeeditary philostipLy, or constitutional ma. with' , in the rise or progress of their party.— Alas proves, that instead of the Revolution being beetle about by that vitiates of Whiggery, and Mao Constitution being establisher' by its wis• dram, and guarded by its skit, the very ed.'. Puce of that parry was en evilest', its orgatliza. thin the met of fortuitows concretise. and its mo. tin" as ercri down to our °lll°l i mes . as the The declentera spinet Reform. and whys, at the tubablitto wares after the ti.-loge. The hi-torical mew, lime would be miry t o he illnatratinn 101 ' only very perfect araomentalively, called IhP °lett"' hit is powerfully fraught with wit and satire ; ipso. of arilwitleatt or "'see in the ' Lv ' eetnaleet° ere at a 'hooch, that the Author he, es pede, very fleetly I loss how Intent 11110 'objector Puhlic Meetings. They iflacosorrod aho he is. There is iodised but one cry them down In the lump. sod yet they admit that orriter, et present known to the Pablir, whose men. ! a l mo st a ll great o rorn e. meo tu i n the f oo ,t ur o• o lai 1.1 rigour is NUS' to such a P" infill ' ree ; 6.111 ` 11 laws (in other words the Corkfifulies) of every tint may who that one is,becalke tit. Quarterly, though and in the political condition of its labs. fries imperfectly alerted oho fort, world be ton gi.sll""' IA lay hold of any avowal of it. We shall fall in with bisects. hem been preceded by a sort of r ho le him at page 110, where having condo/mil the a ...y. ci but theft it is obsessed, that it ought to be " a *Own to the period oldie elretlon,heohsorres," Yoe 'trete, of opinion." The chances proctored Ivy Lordship would have done well to imitate your more which it is ickonw.eilgo.l are solid and pekoe trident friends; abs. thought of this • result' that those which are w( 'lls my anti. To did of the infant -ro cnnaition of neat ' while it 8e eh " le ' dt t arsus. , wipe it up and eel walking of the woo , the reiolt of brute force are transient as the impulse Your Lordship has fold us what you Hank of the which made them. Tuts Is no a. g ome... whist R e . flsktion, I will tell y.. 6 what we, the rabble, think form Meetings, which ate calculated to gain and to of this notable e moa,— W e think It has d er ided • r • 'tress the ...winos of the 'raj ' ii i of a People :be the foe of the Whigs for ever, and that she w he t if . ."‘ 1""`"1 lc''" "a 4 4 . i" in vain: i • entertainer coldness' which their Maiifeson " 1 " 8 00111 them to have felt towards that popular nee, and that those •"" h" , the influence aid th' force bill henceforth be repaid with freezing contempt. W e of Government in their bands, to the enriching them.l thief& that not even the spoilt children, nor even the wives and friends, and the e•aaltatt..ll of their rook lick-spillles of the tarty, will now venture In .1.11111100 ! ie en s jely, are deternithed to steel them with neglect, • deuominseion which has for min, years been re. and teen with • • scorn, Iser.iuse sisch op i n ion mi. Is •shoed anti inapplicable to any set of met.; liter against 11 Pit isdeleat•? 11 hat alp (14. 94.1.1. end which the lee contest has rendered Illor•notillGt, perhaps, than any title that ever designated the sup. tiara of opiiiieu to do, it twee is upset to fee re.nrted porters of an end WIC me. my to Wmild not a hand .1 of melt in th:t rye!' tr ass Lord, you end your filesids misjudge the People ple upon the rights anti properties o f the roopie of *war egreginely.--They take no pleases in : large ? is a grisp,mi maim, that ..f the discovery or the expose, of your frailties Kings are inviolable, Lecau.e it is political'', riot haw can they be interested in Om disappoint- me n " o f shoe Dos b or o,y why,. tan lie t h e morally, atic.soaledged that they uri do Da contsolatins in confessing that they have lam}, wrong. Est if this dictum, or rule, sere not admired, sad trusted in irsia ? Yo•r reputation for ssometimes di:m;(4'4l,ot, would Eines !fee do .igh: ? oinretilo nose necessarily involee their char icier for It sills not this country more than niece iforet.me &stemmed ; to non that you have been ""e ' " an actedthis • d d upon eaception ;so ors my reflect- avowal Shot they hero been showed." In toply to the hackie eteeptioos taken by the party to Sir F. Bea. ta g"a" e•l•l'lsin sow that such has been the orrr. because he qua:felled with Use Whip, end yet ? France has very recently set an example iffy freysteetly voted aids them, the Author obverses, •f departure from the same general role ; as There is a wide dlierenae betimes voting With • sterling the melee pismilio,:a about that isevintshi. part) via far a party. Two men may travel the m • mi d , bet one may be on hip way to lily m . ALE. news, for whose Teal and rho . q r in defending his R•yal Corot, et the bar of held, sod Om other to rob a church. Sir Fa.ss cis InViIDeTT moot rer elp hb% voted ; the National Convention, a enutiumetit is about to he wells the Whigs, when they have opposed a vicious, I erected in Paris. And hatetiot th. People of that coon. entrap', and tyrannise system ; but it does not at tty p i tie d " so li! and permanent" hOil•fi'S by the ex alt follow, that wheal he went iron the lobby with the ! • ins I tem' prom. _Ming? floe quetion et last met be resolved Noes. his wish should be to walk all the way them thresgh the dirt to Celton.hoove. Thu cause Iby the "'Peet' os twees•i'Y of the measure td Mee ts( this complaint is easily discerned—as the Ministers whether opinion has bees, in clearly "'premed have the soolorpoly of power, their opponents think land urged, as that there was 'peon to concha& that tie uswroopoly of popularity belongs to themselves ! nothiog short of force could operate a cure for slit. only. The they can overlook a Irtle 'motility or orders use longer to he borne. *Pie, in the fair op abandonment of priaciple, and 'veto of patty for the peal s o a J ur y, according to the Constitution, as moment. A truly shabby fellow shall be pitied and protects/1, sod the precedent be thought worth en. whether persons charged with eighties are guilty or common; for the sake of what the whole party may cot; as long as their actions may be defined I I fiud it espodient to adopt bereafter : besides, ally guilty, a Jury will pronounce as much in their thing mean breaks lb mass's spirit and character, end I verdict, and the creased may end ought to be po• qualifies him to Rear the parry livery with cm- . manta : but it the accused have only complained, cent submission. But no such pity, nor ptolec• lion, no nor even toleration, for him w ho follows tan matter bow I.tudly, uronca itilticterl by the one steady rule of action, independently of all Government, Cie Jury will acquit them of blame and lletlottel his very "lees at. but send them away free. Is i. the fear of this kind of 1b:4194" from theta who have them of r i g ht, issue in our Courts that the Member, of our Cabinet sad •Ito know how to wear them s o sociabl y his opposition se. propose is _ s wo obtain got most ostrageous, the most —his isoncurreure is treachery, lice—if he speak., he spoils a pr o j e c t —if he is silent, wicked, the most unpardonable of all compliances in he deserts his duty—whether at ease or in action he out Representatives (as thoy call themselves), sit. to • Ipeallorr of despotism anal..f ileatrurtion to the Con is alike rebellions, and to he R ooks ti with the seal of I selluil• l i n " .“ 0 " m ote 'P eet "' et " . eluel ' eahle t stitation-THE •C•rEN3tulf of the HABEAS Coons not to the Author, for his book is Isis best defender, Act. Theo ate in __e_son sins, said to be of It I . c he to the mum of conatioutiottal freedom; we es- to ha lest it fret. a sinew , belief that the Author has here the Holy Ghost, the salt for which is eicoeteted the immoral pest which chiefly coulee's knelled. In politica, the tin of suspending the !la the-political arrangements of the country. btu Corpus, is of that description, and eight ester " Toe floe, tJ .Consmons should hea field for ao- to be forgivers. It is the resort of the weak and rjoiraorarfare, not for ashen t:ght, or an Italian hank, wicked to "a vigour beyond the law." The Ilsbess wily for unseating the combatants. Your Lordship (or pus is the corner alone of our edifice of fatherly. "mot Jiyaltshold oa.h every thing onsulotaotial, is pleated spi4 a molar climes, providttl it shill It is the tootbstooe of ite odious of the sob! pitict; or .tri)ciis TIIIr 1) , 1V r ()NE ril'UL.tu. , . Hawk Ib.rk ‘i3l 3 per Cent %are 101111 i per i'eut 71.• IV lees Kehl, II pm I per Cetit. Om, L aag t 4 per Cens.lll ra Fir I die. 4 per ere' 901) thani.orn 411114 pa. 1 nasal. Int ire. 711$ if. THE STATESMAN. LO Df) JOLT 29, 19 9. STATrSNIAS. je-t es to vehmht• they ere intended or tato, colored to benefit society, or injure it. M.ny soils may be prosecuted by SO Attorney-General,' erbich might to gigs oho waled, patriotic im setortebt). 'rry the actions of the accesed siren by his fellow-men, his peers, or equals in society. If they deem him guilty, puoish him ; if innocent, free him ; bet let him not he kept in prison untried, for that is en arbitrary, tyrannical way of dealing with the subject.—lt is not •ppeeling I. the tense of the nation at large, hot being assayed by the feeling of a Minister nr of Ministers, whom detinqueneirs alone may here been the sole provocation of the individual hev:vg pot his life or liberty to the hazard by big peo or his sword. Two Mahone+ \tails artised pesterdsy, with Pr• pe►s its She 134 inst. These aro foll of philippics ogainst the secret societies in Gersnany, and especial• ly shove in Prossia, with accoonts of sosittsilied ar• tests, and the discovery of snore extensive plots One of the Loomed Professors charged with i“<in.stme tesolatinnsry principles lion the etswis of th• ste fleets et th• Uaisessity ®( Berlin, is D 7. Fhtiseatict I.twts J AIM. He has beets townsmen iis a tot tre, and preparation are making for his trial. Ile had gone so Ir., it is alleged, as publicly to assert the right of inating such of the to or the Suit• as are obnettion to his party. The Academic gi..nate has adi d a ratite to the University. statiug, 'bat in the event of a refusal on the pirt of any of the Stud. its to attend the Committee, recently appointed so csemin. them es to their political opinions. they would he compelled to obey. IVot%ithstanding these saltillied sjmptums of alarm on the part of the Prussian Gut/nom/ill, the Klitor of the Berlin Stile audit trilby, it to be believed, thst the project of revolt/limiting Germany " has had so little ascent sauna i e sensible, brave, end faithful Prussian peo ple," at to int its the bitter complaints of its adeo• cotes. The persons attested, he navels, are fee in number. and chiefly foreigners, she came among the Prussians to spread their demagogic poison. A. artirle from Nassau, doled the 13. h inst. steles, the Vermilion!! lan. is 111, in roottespiettme of that late atist Ii upon his life ; be has Warned, •ith his wife, to Wishadan. Lohniou has been ectitte)ell to She same plan for trial. Like Sandi, he evinces no ropentse.re; and prefers deeds by his own set to d ) it,g on the v.trold: he had refused food during veral days. Professor o[ll4 still continues the Iris,' and declares hi it, • 4 The Iris will not he dropped; sooner shall it be pohlialled under Totkish prow- Otto." Ti'. lito4 of PIIMPIA has armorial the baths of Toplits. lle paved throe hDt Paden, hal did not l amp either lb• ie or sti) where else il•rine hisjostaey, hiving tr.yelted toil t and day. The 4 - h Joly, beinig I , toe asonittnir) of the hi.th of the Prince Royal of .;err new, •as viehrsted at 11. lairourg by • mufti. bittot fete lic•ti by hi. Itts,•l Felhor. The 'aids on tie Mite. the ,Moselle, and in Franconia, ate represented as rtfferivg th• prospect of so abundant lint - - I;ters from M irtinigse and Goadelnope were I ceitril )esterrla), which represent th.. commerce ef those i.1•..e1• to It+ in a ••••• of plume difficett, and pmts ent. Ti.• plincit..l wet of thvir slime had boon st.ippod rot Fran's., end the nayettriat of debts, in a trot isumlpr of instan. vs, *al ennaidesed vet of the sigrol , m. 01 ebOwerchenta reading M ,rti-nrioe, not more than tee or th.ee were held to Ism rosily 4..11..5it. The trade of the Hands, it sal •aperte.l, would he th.oon open, um the unly Om! of saving the commercial i.,te tests from ruin. - - Msj.nr-GeneralTonnen• hit written In Mr. ROTOR. S•etmaty In the C..winitore, fnr a suhfcnyliw. r.. eni•Pil In. meting • Nlnnueoests In the lain Prineest 1141ILLOTTC. spoil 411111 to prepare a paper, Omelet inn intuit OW* of +he fond, and to lay the mum► bOrOIP the Pol.! c wnhout delay. We have alrrsds alluded to the spirit manifested by the Comber of Deputies of R.Varia on the 9h ions., refo.rog to recede from a former economical vote te.pertina .he Army. notoithstanding the urgent re. aints..raneell of the Government and the Chamber of reerf. These Damian D.puties condected thee selves w.th no small share of yo.lginent soil address. While there breathed in most of the speeches a 6ine determination to resist all unnecessary espendstisre. and to protect the interens of the People, the most mirrors' arid decorous language was every where used towards tinir Snwfrei t gli. They all regretted that so unwise a should have twee resorted to, as a letter from the King to the Chamber of Peers, expressing his determination, should the pro. posed addition be refesed, of advancing the sum oat of his Coati allowance; but they Ivey prudently threw the whole blame on the Minister for the Army, ribose ofistioacy, they sty, dune his Sovereign to this injadicioos step. It gives es the most sincere plesnire, that to wit. nese the greed of liberal soil enlightened ideas throoghnot Korope. Twenty veer , . are scarcely elspted since she petiod when the People of the other %Inc of Germany used to point to Bevaris a, a re. gion where bigotry, ignorance, end stupidity, might promise tlioniselves a long and utsiotetr•pted reign. In that short span of time, hoarser, the most corn. piety change has been effected. In no state is eds. mini, more general, and a more rapid career of im provement going on. The inhabitants are distin. guished for their liberality of sentinunt, and Munich, the capital. is now pointed to by Germans, as the, Athens of German,. Our readers are aware that Bavaria, from its K. teovive seermions, is now a State of considerable meg nitride. In mutation, It is nearly doable to that of Prussia, on the accession of FnEnanicn IL. and in natural re nnnnn es, it is vastly soperior to Old Pros•ia. But though it is mach that the liberty mod happiness ..f four millions of people should he secured by Can. stitutionn safeguards, the quesrion assumes as in creased Interest when viewed with reference to the consequences of thi. liberty on others. The cause of the Bresrien People is the cause of all Germans. T e Islourphs of the Bavarian Chamber of Deputies, be felt at Berlin as intensely as at Mooch. It is ire rocitite, we thilik, that Prussia can continue in Weldon', while limas Is free. Monday afternoon. Viscount CASTUIRIAGII Itft town for his stet at North Croy, REFORM llhallAG. A Meeting orilieforesers was hold on Monday at ilechdale. in Lencashire. The accounts which have been received fames way before the Meeting broke up. It appears that the needier, were very gre i r, so d that there were 5,000 w Nitro am mg them. The only report yet transmuted to us, %hi h is the same as that used by the illurning Pa pert, Is ton 110i3t VVVVV and displaas too much of the 2.11 of corruption's journey work to be relied on. This account sat a, that the procession •sbibited a Isg, bore ilreil .` Destruc. (ion to all begiliasale Governments ;" this we cannot heiteve on the sole evidence of Alinistorial scri'es, and we have no doubt that the nest past will falsify half the particulars of the accounr. W e shill waits 1114.1111nr0, for more hottest inte!tigenre, rather than add fresh wrongs to those already pressio4 the people of Itochd I 3.0, by r ashly Innscriuittg Ute reports of their enemies, .ile they are unsupported by soy impartial testimony. A letter from Cidis, third COI Joly, m•n+inna, thet 12 sell if trsosports, wirh tron t te for the W e d Indies, were orderer, to ssil, sit. •it V,ench v e , t el s . two Rowel, two S i o.nigh, end tern F•rglish. TLetr destination was kept • profnu'•d serre►, though it was given oil they were iutewbd for Ilttennah, in eentequence of the swisirutersointlieg tesp•ctio4 the Florida Treaty. This burly of me■ hos been d►tach. ed from the grand espeditinn, which, It was !height, could not sail before September. Lettere from Merlotti, dated the 10th inst. men. lion, that am Iris Oats, the le'. Spanish Envoy in the United Stairs, the ne t ymistrer of the Florio& Tritely. and the eapPettPd successor of Cage let:Jo, had been arrested in V.l' , deli I. where, it well tm remembered, he had receirel osiers I. stop. en hie nap from Paris to the capital. CANA INUJO hid Mien rnovned a planner froze AO. In •h.. Content o f Mirsvel, shirk, we believe, is •I sate I its a 'needed lout, not far from Aids. TAtr• Jerkin, goody th e immediate soperiniendence of the Kinft, have been commissioned in intrinsic'', the chafes Novo/ spinal both largo and Otis Kluft FERDINAND 1100111, deters anvil to make am 11111.01 1 0 10 'scalper* himself, at least as far es the Peelle If coacerned, from en, blow in the Florid. trestmetion. M CHAIIII , TTI a No'llry, prodacetel spots the trial of Genenal Sate esti, the einitficate ..f merriey. be. memo his end Mts. Sens tuts. which the Gonprat admitted, bet denied that h• nes to >and by it, is coneenernce of his never h.ving r.crrivted the corn of 8.800.000 franc., which he ',spited were to have been paid to him as that f.stly's dna ry. A letter V*, then mut in, writt.n by the General, in 1817, to th• CI smell r ttf Fiance, in which he said, that he lad nl.ll ireposs.Pci Nli•I SEII'A'ARTE sud Mi•• 111UTCIIIN•ON. according to th•la:cr ff rear. Por•cr itrotvi and a lame 11411 y distal es• tetility with Mr. CANNING, at GILIIKEVer•IO:Ise i , Bromott.n. Ibe 1-nc.remoor4 in'en ion of the POI vce Rt. cm to sict l'iparioth. skirts would have teen fol. 611•11 last si.a.ron lat for the indivosition of it* WEIN, is sheet to tee circle I inroeffret. On Thurs. c 1,7 an official notice to ibis purport we. received at Ptynannth-dock, end it was staled it at his Royal Highness would probstity he theye in al ont ten & 1 a... Tserdiy evert ng the Duke of lit.ovccaggsa tett loran for Sherrop-s. On Moodily, the 11,.ani.h. the French. and Per. slam Arnheassdnrs, had long ini•rvierva with Viscosot CArrtracaon. al the Foreign-office. On lividly and Holiday the Merin. Anabsaardor called upon the did . ..root branch.. ~f the Royal F a mily, the Cohen.. blioitters, sod other oflicisl Noblemen and Gend.unen, to take lave. priming, to 161, departure from F o tei•nti. Ui. Earolloor) took leave of the PRINCE ItE6VIIT, formally, some time since. The equipment of the M trodden Moors. Captain Lime. at P o rtso l qutti, for t'n. reception 011 the Ai. gerin• Arnboass.lor and Isis sale, is tompletod, and bit Eseellroncy will leave town in a few days on 14 return to Another of the beetles thrown overboard from the Issholla, by Captain Ross, in his toy eg• last yarer lei llobis'a-hay. has been coat ashore on the nor Thor• nett of lAA (fiats coast. This is the secioid ihtt'hae been found no that part of mho United kingdom. SLAVE Insne.—Atter the exertions made in iris country to str..lista the most infamoos ttatbc in human life, tho S:ave 'Frady, and the general en noragemeat which thole tuitions Mtge received from the Conti nental Powers, w• feel the greatest pain le comma. ;dewing to our Readers the following statement :- 80 Portogeesa weasel; arrived it Rio Janeiro be tween d i g ma o f September, 1817. and the ?le of September, ISIS. with istrgroes. Toe whole camber ! of Males emb••k.d amointed to 45,110 n, of which 317 b died on the passage, being more than one- eighth of the whale. Tatar. or ItIE ItIOTIR 4 AT LITLAPOOL• — Friday Morning the trial of the persons r,ncernei io the tint which lately occurred al Literpao l , during the procession of the ofell4P Societies, came on at the fawn 11411. The trill occupied the Court from ten till helf.purit two o'clock. The Jury retired fora few minute+ and returned with a verdict of Goi!ty against 'all the Prisoners (eleven in number). After a short esosoltation. the Court sentenced all of them to them months imprisonment in the House of Cut merlon. Owing to the greet accumulation of stork, some of the prinrittel woollen manufacturers in the neigh- I Moorhead of Leeds, have been obliged to intim tie to their workmen, that till trade improve', they cat. only be ell..wed to work four days iu the week instead cf tic —( Liverpool ALl:erfieer.) At the Manchester SeSiIOOS on Monday, a bill of indictment for sedition, tittered at the Blick• hum Meeting, was found by the Grand Jury again,' FITTOS, MITCHELL, and V 1 **Ems, sod one against Woos, and another against WANDLr, for libels conteinsol its their respective Papers. Co Friday morainic a real was seen swimming song the snore at Dower, when it got within Protii!ro.e Pl. r, sod, after several shots, it was struck through the tired by Mr. John Tilly, mien it came oo I' Orr, and was taught by Mr. Homy Peak. aimed, and sold to Mr. Calmer, for the sum of 31. sod shoo• to the curious at 4.1. per hew°. It war co L;s'erds, Ultra to blatant* for the same pity KM ,p-