The Statesman. — London, England, 1819-12-25 00:00:00

THE STATESMAN. --the irst.'breeglit formed by the iiineurable Warm arils et mite, namely -.Neer and wail bet eh wee a , ' for Shrewsbury. In consequent ef the mixture of some project. In his ermine peculiarly 44mMinambie, berme, polities! matter with his motion! tee other submitesel at , if there wen two stawieedes time wlOOl4l be %mese the instance of a most bonniest iadivional (Mr. Owes. chasm of nebulae. mad taus establishaust of the West we understood), is coseequesice, as it was said, of sans variable standard 4f value was the object to be Medved. I improper observation formerly made by that philan t 4111 i a view to mainsis the ebonite+ of tor carryon . throw Centimes,. Plow , as to what hisHoo. Friend Hos. Member leibel with erwaisiag his later (the Member for Marlow) bad said respeetiag his Hon. lion to vete for the nlltt tof aCOOleiltr. ups. di* Friesd who had presented this petition, he and beer 1 subject alheled to In the Petition. kepis, that such a . restlessly to the aecurne of the statement of the latter. I Committee would terve to do good, and believiag that it For be was able to say, that his Hon. Friesd ('he Mem- could sot possibly lead to any harm. be/ tat Bfaibbef) hod sot heard of this petition lentil m r , piemay expresse d id, gratitude to Ministers yesterday. U j nsu a consultation between the author of for the measures which they had brought before Par.; the petitnin. himself. and others. who were kindly to ~ ... .. • its object, it was lint pessposed , from a canelderatios of unseat, and disposition to support st ill more vigor his great ability sod maturel influent , with the Hos ens measures, If thought necessary. For the objects Member fur TIMMOINS. "to present it. But it was Boma which it was the duty of the Pediment and the tiners that kis Hon. Prieed leas not is tome and en sPPlIca" meet to attend to, were, first, the restored*s and the - eon was then made o his Hon. Pelmet beside him (Mr. Elite), who, however, declind to comply with the re- consolidation of the tranquillity of th e country sod ques t. It was t h ee e ,,,,,,,i 5e d to apply t o t h e Hoe. I seat, the consideration of the state of its nmonfacteres Member on the ether side. as on of the ram moinesit, and commerce.—He was, therefore. an advocate for Are ' if not really the most twines usemheat is the city of I object which the Petition had in view, although he could London, who was se pod as to suilertake the prewar no t help thinking the t* propo sed fur isqniry ex tints of this petition, But he brewed to "...oar. that w h atever m i g h t h e t h e „ t w ee s e ,e, lee;liteestilsaa tremely difficult and complicated. It would, perhaps, who had pronoun the retitle" or whatever mien be be better to take one branch of this great question at a eke cooreption of the Hon. Member for Marlow, that pm time. than to enter iota the whole of it at once. The edge originated with no view whatever with respect to (modem of trade was, no doubt, a sound principle in t le, t. t r ge bu oi li t io h n e ir lit livid iull 'ual " to w‘lemorsalitilledaveralrl=dh.timilkaewwlW s th e._ ,eory . ,..but Oretlesiem were . sot general ly .wars of the unsursolfs w hich presented themse l ves w hen an attempt Is" in fact, as respectable, as able, and as earliest a w In in as any in the city of London. but her could alsoas made to carry that principle into practice. Ile had Bead this difficulty—he found when some years age he Le..r equal testimony to the views of several of the Oen- , tenon ne whose same, were appended to the petitions and i e hose characters were quite as respeetable as had been t ' I that facilities should be afforded for thsexporta• teen of f"r k lign liners, he mad e the proposition upon this Ii he referred writes could described by the Hos. M-is her forPramber. The only Cound.tthr article e b ih a7l 3 ' p at home. This was a object. iodised, of the petirioarrs was, that Parliament purchasedsoled cheaper •ro t han . sond principle, but when attempted to apply he was mist should take the matters to which they referred Imo its ed ea the ground of the preference due to the does readout seriJus consideration, aid that mime 'hope should thus le held oat to those who were now so merely ao s ee i et. irelaud. Ili at the same . time . e.iough . t!heoppo e sitio . m e ta his mot io n . trrtionat, b ut lie_ now . ten th a t swami rs that the utmost attendee would beven to their ease, 'a cted riches. in preferring the sarisfactio n and tran a-ot that every relief should be affo rde d that could pos e:lily be devised. quillaty of !reload to any commercial considerations.— The distress of the cougars., at present, he attributed to Mr. RICARDO declared t 1 at he heard with great over-speculation, over importation, and over-mansfac satisfaction from all sides of the House, that there was ; tore. The people engaged in manufactures were no 1..) intention to alter the law with respect to bullion pay- I doubt suffering hardships, which every good man must teems by the Bank. He differed materially from his d e :Pirr o n e r a nt. while they w su a tr i e t r o ljn e m eeo l l u tec tr t t i rlge l ;: oi en a t i l . Honourable Friend the Member for Bramber, according tho Pe u t gli their wages were low, and their privations coo to whose opinion, the mesteres taken for removing the sequently heart breaking, their wages were still better restriction of cash payments by the Bank, were the great , than the same class of manufacturers received in Ger a .use of the present distress of the country. Th e mar k et I m sa m , m i Lit t l u t i g e ra f eri a America, for the distress of' n otrfadoeurwiiiiisstunisrer pricr of gold. indeed, skewed the effect of these measures. I I I Here the Honourable Me a nfi r ie r r a" miTerted to the proposi .— Gut it was. in his mind, matter of astonishment, that ' does matte by Lord Liverpool to the Duke of Hamilton any man could ascribe the distress of the country to any I for the relief of the distressed manufacturers of Srot eiessareg takea hy the Bank for the resumption of cash pay- land, and expressed his persuasion that Ministers were , meats, or that a ranee so totally inadequate. could hare dispose! tad° lona productive of so great as dint. He differed also viation of the publ ic Mr. fiRENFELL disclaimed any intention of casting from his lion. Friend, as to the corral a s well I a reflection upon the Gentlemen from whom the petition as the effects of the measures taken towards promoting , bef o r e th e Hone proceeded, whose names indeed be did the eserution of the law for payments in bullion. His ; not know until within a few minutes. 1 Hon. Friend had thought proper to observe, that the . Mr. 1/01!1ILAS thought inquiry most imperiously plan which he mentioned on a former evening, for called for upon the subject referred to by this petition : the payment of the public debt, had not the merit for unless the grievances of the people were considered, ; of originality. Ile was sot aware that when be men- I and their distress relieved, no hope rook!, in his opinion, tioned that project, he laid any claim to originality.— ; he entertained of solid permanent tranquillity. It would W:oat be stated upon the subject was much misunder- he recollected, that when the people were in distress and stood. He remembered that lie ascribed all the dis- ! discontented in 1813, coercive measures were adopted, tress of the enemy to the inadequacy of our capital ; but no steps whatever were taken to relieve distress lir to supply the mesas of employing our population. This l remove the canoe of discontent. l'pon the recurrence of inadequacy was the natural result of cin-amstancrs. For distress and disaffection in 1%1447, coercive measures shine were again resorted to, :oml now in 1%19 the sun., when profits upon capital were low here, while they coarse was to be followed. Ent after such recent and were high in other countries, capital would naturally go impressive experience, he would ask any considerate out of this country. This effect was indeed as clearly de- was whether it was wise to persevere in such a *rim, monstrable as any proposition iu Euclid. Was it not ;or whether nothing should he done to remove the cause 1 aofd!putbeltlemtieirscerttrosphowt down n sn i c ts h e ri x go ,re r ‘ oz n n a u asures here then the duty of the Legislature not to aggravate any es il of this nature?—and yet such aggravation had I Mr. lIROI4IHAM regretted the harsh expressions taken place through bad legislation. This bad legisla towards the Petitioners which bail fallen from Iris Ho. tion was, in his opinion, most remarkably exemplified sourable Friend the 3lember for Marlow (Mr. Oreofell ) in the ease of the Corn Laws. Foribe result of those . Was it no disrespect to eighty of the most considerable ions, by enhancing the necessaries of life, was to ra ise I Merchants of London to say that they belonged to the price of labour, which consequently reduced the pro ,the Anti-Bullion Party, and were inEuenced by such fits upon capital. and tended to send that capital out o f I hi s feeder,' alone in their application to that ilone? Hari the country. Bat of all this evil, the National Debt, .. 'h ionourable Friend, before lie gave vent to such and the consequent amount of taxation, was the great i obsertations, allowed himself to have peruse!the ca n... Hence the main object of the Legislature should nausea appended to :hat Petition, lie would h ate checked be to provide fur the payment of that debt, and that himself, and not charged sonic of the greatest capital provision should commence its operation as soon as arts in the metropolis with being of a descriptio u of capital of the country, it was obvious that any capital possible. Poe as this debt was chargeable upon all the persons who had overtraded without the possession of any capital—Omar, bear. ) — lt was plain, indeed, that which went out of the country was exonerated from that his Honourable Friend'sextraordinary zeal on finiron charge, while the capital which remained was of coarse and Bank questions had, on the present, as on other compelled to pay a greater proportion of debt and taxes. occasions, led him too far. Had he, without even Ile would not, however, dwell further upon this chime - readier the Petition, looked only to the signature., rural project, as he nnelersiool it was coosidered by he would bare found in them wsufficient gorantre of every one except himself, bat proceed to the considera their respectability—he would have found amongst Gan of the petition, and what had been said by the lion. them also sew of the nine respectable supporters of Mover. His lion. Friend proposed, as particularly woe the hellion principle as any Member in that lionse. thy of attention, that a Committee of that House should He could meeting the name of one, Mr. 31'Caelay. inquire into certain reztrictions upon commerce, wills • who, though not in general disposed to the views 0 view to their removal. But his lion. Friend should re- Opposition, hail, from the commencement, entertained fleet, that no immediate egket could be reasonably ex the soundest views on that question. There were others peered from the labour of such a Committee for such a , of the Petitioners who were formerly Members of th at purpose, as the restriction alluded to, however bartnew aHnooub object a t nd of t s l :neer at ekeswe t, re w eo ho t so ha so be w ea wa m s emben with him a some, could out be suddenly removed. This removal must , leder'' , tshe P i ec e by slow deg rees, entwined as the very Bullies Committee. It would appear also, they wet* with the general system o f the trade of the that the House of Commons was not the only house in country. But still groat good might be expected from which divisions existed. for he believed the Honour the investigations of each a Committee, who would, be ab le member for masiosr, if he had read the hoped, new partirolarie ion the consideration of the Corm Lows. His Hon. friend had suggested that a cer- per' would have hewd that of his own brother Min miedilleation should take pine iii the arrangements mailed to it—Oilers aid no lit if not his own bre wed* towards the removal of the restrictions upon the ther, at least a very near connexion. Bat it was said, liaak, namely, that the Bask hewld not be railed why delay the presentation of the petition to this day, upsn to pry in Million until the period arrived for when the lions. was near to the adjournment? There each parent at the lowest rate. Now be, on the of the delay solution t h • e le r no t sge o f the Bank itself, to ma l e the pay. —that the Petitiners waited seder the hope that Per meate In the order 'Tread's settled , because "eh= !lenient would have dose something to swot existing meats being made gradually would eery@ to difficalties, without their intervention. It required the the fail. Sad prepare the Bank for the complete " m o os o f m ulti, p erms ,. Th e only wo e. Oovernmest to bead its whole attention to the saltiest. Gratin. indeed, which be deemed desirable on this They bad better MISS than any lisdieldnel Member embloct was, that the Bank should be called upon perms- could have of acquiring the fullest inhirosatin en the lsaa9/ le pay its "in Ill„_bellle,11, inst ead ef,.eells 1 fur be, subject. They ought to undertake it on their cometite s..mholseffs.S.,,Tresie,:eltyhei,„Pizl.liis,pwilesmel t i l e ° ss ee P e.sw ereee ; donal resposibility. To carry to its accomplishineut such wbieh could be **severed as will. If set more convenient- an ineestigelion—ie decide amidst the eoldlletilig inter ly. by paper. The oily ols)ect to be provided Br in thislets which beset it is every stales( its peeress. demessel• ease wee, that the nal vain of Ow part should be repel ed • stroog and eldest Onervintent. Whether de:= to its dentemintiee vane, Ma settled amd.rol-• mat fiernmenat posseead that A kar? and rigger accordi bir venal standard of velars Of SO its nodal weald he anessery ogle perk eireenestaners teeny amend is oda. Care being es make this pea. their owe smeary, into Wrest, it wort Ow him, at that Adele be nahl see no resin witty thog Inia de rsiest as it to say. Ha agreed with his We. Fried. the M manta Im begs% which was new Ow only her for Peetarliaros (Me. RicardoNothal Paibleig throe raw, should an be rendered net. His Mow Imould be more fatsl than ear imerfetwon Wafers eye ?timid bad teneemeadeil the pt of two Ps adefea kit *Wee relative to Cash Payments. Amy COL . .4., . ..-' titles calculated to favour any cry ageism thaSsevaag. meat, would inevitably locrose Weald mad to•Nsilem. , There was, however, Doe past ea whie.h ha .4112 so groat an oracle, as he mast ever ensider subjects, had not prosousted the decided spialissi; He alluded to the possibility. se, if poosibir, the Ohio. Mammas of paying off the Nodose' Debt, The propos& dam was set a aew suri—it had bees years ago as ed by Mr. Hutchinson ; indeed, he believed, every roller of the Exchequer had a similar proposition ads to him every roar. It had, in more recent times. itese brought baiire the public by Dr. Watson, Bishop of Lall, sad, with the highest respect for the taints of that meritorious intlividso, he could not consider that production as their most favourable "Maims. The ef fect of such a measure would be to place the property fee Ave years at the mercy of all the solicitors, cooveyaacers, and money-hunters, in the country. Lord C, _ a.ett.BAGH bad no wish to prolong the debate, embracing, as it did, a very wide field, on which it was impossible to enter, then, with the prospect of any practicable advantage, and the discussion of which, is a partial view, would kad to great practical income ! nience. To take that partial consideration of the law don, world tend to unsettle the public confidence emi aggravate the natural eras of existing cirodustasess. He agreed in every thing that lead been said relative to the respectability of the petitioners, but he could not allow that House to separate nnder an impression, which would get abroad, that the commercial interests of the country were overlooked or forgotten by the Mini sters of the Frown. With deem it was an object of great solicitude—anti he had to assure the liaise, that aur communication from the petitioners, or from any caber quarter, would meet with every due consideration ea their part. He begged to be understood, however, as sot pledging himself to any indefinite and unlimited in quirv. If any practical view opened on the minds, either of the petitioners or of the lion. dentlessian aho pre sented it, his Right Hon. Friend at the head of the Board of Trade would, he bad no &weld, be most swa mis to receive the communication. With respect to the reference made to the real iteration which - employed the attention of Parliament last Session, he, who bad (Inring that discussion been fully sensible to the_prasere of the remedy, most folly agreed with the Hon. and Learned Iletniser (Mr. Brougham), that every principle of practical wisdom and state policy required that not a doubt sbonld he suffered to extst as to the arrangement being carried into effect. Mr. ELLICE stated. that an application had been made to him to present the petition, bat be recommended the propriety of confiding it to some Member in the con- Ciente of the Atlntinist- lon. Ile learned with regret from the Noble Lord - that in of the opposite, .. place the vernment of the country, on its own responsibility, as was so judiciously observed by his lion. Frieneellr. Brougham), taking up the inquiry into the public die tress, for the • iurpuse of providing that relief, whirls must be applied, and (wieldy, the Noble Lord has left it to the proposition of indiriduals,Members of that Mouse. Were it the proper occasion, he would have felt some desire to advert to what had been stated by the Member for Malniesbury, who denied the effect of tax ation on the manufacturing distresses. Ile never heard a statement so open to the most satisfactory answer. At that moment, when discussion n-as so unseamanable, all be should say was, that he differed from him most de eiidedly. If * mine arrangement was not effected before the period fur the Imilion payments attired, tinder suds • sys:ein of taxation he feared an alarming crisis was near. Mr. PiNt.sv explained. kir. Alderman WOOD bore his testimony to the re• 4peetahility o; the Pgtitioners. Ile knew that twch • e of those who signed, were persons as (avowable to the live arrangements with respect to the Currency as am• men in the kingilotn. Mr. Alderman 11F.TGATE tils), he understood the reti•ioners w •re men of high honour and :Irmo priyerty. He imputed the distresses to the great diminution of the rnrreney, whirl, had been for a long time grailnally go ing on. When nine millions (including the reentry I currency) had been withdrawn from the circulation, great mischief and distress mast have been the result. /le believed much of the confusion bad already taken plan., and from what he beard from various parts, eon lidenee was reviving. Let his Majesty's Government hot state the extent to which the ditninntion or the cit.- cul ition ghouls, [n—and the distress, the effect of uncer tainty and want of confute:toe, would quickly disappear. The petition was then brought up, and ordered to be printed. Mr. Sc.tat.arr brought in a Bill to renseilr certain inconveniences in local and esrlosirc juris.lictions.—lt was read a first, order •d to hi* printed, and to be read a wend time the 15th of February nett. Adjourned to Thursday. M.% AIR. DI P. I MlA's Ill'aierfonl 11 tirersory owl Jersey 0 GotSolberg% Hambures 2 A.R. %RR. 111:14 U Holland U Flinders II Franc* .... ....... U Lithos . • 0 Malta ebt — btattamatt. (X. B. Tat "BRITISH S T.i TES.VAN" 5. ,, worm " Tam STATIN.V.IN.") LONDON: SATURDAY, DECIIRSILI 93, 1819. -...- Paris Papers of Monday and Tuesday have ar rived. The contention and disturbances with wbicb the Chamber of Deputies commenced their Sittings seem now to hare subsided, and the necessary bunions is proceeded in with remarkable tranquillity. Os Monday the Members assembled, and after seve ral Petitions of a private natore were disposed of, the Mi nister of Filmic, proposed some Projects of Law, Tele dye to the Tame for ls2o. They were ordered to be printed. and the Chamber adjourned. The . Deputies were to meet is secret Committee on the following day. , Prises Schwartsesherg, it is said, is nearly recovered from Isis indisposition. hansasa, Dec. 17.—Another arrest has take. place at Ausslerians t the penos is a foreigner. All esonenniaalloa is Interdicted with the author of the work, entitled MOs the actual State of the Kin d.. of the low Countries, sad of the mesas of mono talks it." litasts gr. Dee. le.—The troceedinp against Jahn an sap Deathward. He bag bees confronted with M. Jaradke, Catalano, of the Regan, upon the sabjagt of the egaret easosistioa beaded by Irtio in 11112, against Merlon. IL Oman was agreetail at hope, N. 4 0C%•a.... % ." - p 1 Jamlke laving discovered and denounced the nerseiatien ,of Mac kat was the heng.iss leading to nailing less than to e sage Orman, loft d i kasnerniy. D. Jab, hae denied this tendency, end nothing has yet resulted from confronting him with M. Jaodke. HA %ovum, Dec. S.—The Hanoverian Infantry will is future form twelve regiments, including two regiments of Guards, one of Urenadiers, awl tl:e other of Chas. wars. These two regiments will form the garrison here. &fare its occupation by the French, Hanover, which only contained 800,000 lie:habitants, had t 5 ha% tenons of infantry, 10 of militia, and four for garr:so:.. It is not yet known whes the organization of the arn:t will take place ; probably in the beginning of the a; preaching year. RA/ .10T. Due. 14.—Private letters assure as, that at the present garment, the Congress of Vienna is em ployed in discussing the competetwe of the Germarie Diet, ANTWIMP, Dec. 16.—1 t is expected that the two at preaching marriages of the Bavarian Princesses will be officially declared in a short titer at the Court of ►Munich. Fennell Fcsnq.-31nn,Ifty, Fire per cents. 70 frt. 40 c.—Bank Actiuns, 1470 frs. The Seditious and Blasphemous Libels' Bill was read a third time yesterday aid passed ; after which, 11.0 CHANCELLOR of Alt EXCHEQUER mowed that the House do adjourn on its rising, to TLurs day next, the 30th instant: and now having com pleted a series of enactments, which are compe tent to change the character of the people of Great Britain, and to hold the most high-spirited and fiercest nations, as it were, in chains, the Ministers will less disturbedly take up a buSjcct next in im portance; without which, in short, neither they, nor any other set of men, can or could be Ministers for more than a day—we mean the Finances of this extended Empire. Our ItLat:ers will do Iss the justice to acknowledge, that more than two months before the commencement of the present Session of Parliament, THE STA-rt.:swim affirmed, that the present 31inistcrs, if they remained in office, would propose II Property TUX of from fifteen to twenty per cent. We hod no doubt of the circumstance ; for, in candour, we must say, that there is nothing so likely to appease that irritation on the one hand, and that alarm on the other. which pervade the whole community, and whicii have arisen to a height never equalled before, from the circumstance of the diminished foreign trade having impoverished so many, and from the iogi nuity of artists having been puttied on by cue- sive taxation, to the discovery and multiplicat, of machinery, in order to lessen the demsual human labour. These cantles united, have place I the rich and the poor in such opposite, such Inv:- thous, and hostile pobilloos, that sosnathiu:; . J. . clueing in Great Britain what an Agrarian lin produced in Rome, ha.; become absolutely twee, sans to be done, without leis of time. The wealthy !andliolder, and the rich capitulist, are alike 'lido of the urgency of some expedient of this kind being adopted. They arc convinced that the State cannot move on, no, nor stand still under the system which an extravagant and long continued misrule has introduced, and which at once insults huniu nity and shocks common sense. An idea like twenty or thirty years ago, would have been garded as the reverie of a madman. 'the erten of Ministers, and the consequent misfortunes of the people, have, however, rendered the project, in whatever garb it may be dressed, indispensible. A thousand NECKAR* and Monsieur de Cett.oxrces, and ten thousand Perris and VANSITTAItra, would be unable to avoid the painful, the hnmiliating, the now dreaded result. Taxation has done its I best , has done its worst : like the alehymist's arc, ' it has extracted all the estence from the substance, and left a raput morlunns behind. It has reduced all to nothing, and "er nihilo *did fit." That portion of our sapient country gentlemen, who re present us in Parliament, will now consent, after • few expressions of reluctance, to the scheme, on being tzld in the hackneyed phraseology, that it is good and wise to " give a part to save the rest;" to save the whole will, perhaps, do better with some of them, and especially with the ma jority of these gentlemen who come over the Irish Channel from Galway, and other equally or more distant places, to make good laws for ' their beloved brethren, the English. Now we will not be so insincere as to my, that we know of any other device, or believe any can be resorted to so likely to produce, in • short time, the effect wished for by the delinquents of the State, and by those whom their delinquencies have enriched, by Corn Laws, Ike., at the expense and ruin of minium of others, more valuable and more useful subjects. And though we do not think that every Minister ' Great Britain has been abused with, since that of the Marquis of Bocutsonnx, has deserved Oen , 'ars; yet we must admit, that a tax like this bids kir to give the present men a portion of added life. It may be thought improper and premature to rea son more on what has not, at present, an existettee That the thing, though not conceived in the brain of our poor CiIANCILLOR of the &viaticum, bas nevertbeku made its way there, we have little 'doubt. How our wise. men will bring forth the bending, we know not ; the example of !limeys's pistachios me Mat liWe um to him ; be visit ;-• a V' d .w a ti lo , VI