The Statesman. — London, England, 1823-06-26 00:00:00

'by the care of an Hon. Baronet (Sir 11. Parnell), and by th e use of ream, Dublin might be said to be brought nearer to London. The communication with Dublit( was quicker then with Edinburgh, and if the business of the latter was transacted in London, he did not see the business of Dublin also, should not be done here. By a letter of Mr. Freeling of the Post•Olfice, it appeared that to a lelter_itot into theidtudan. Post-Late on Ilan dityeSO°l°g, an. anewer tnlght be hid - front Dublin on Salaam- morning, beisg a apace of fire nights and four days. ilur.srail, -litateing • Loden in Meißey eieniwg, reached Holyhead la .thirty-two haurs.and en ; .balf; the sha 1 . was then taken seer re a steam-packet in-ii4e4F six fours, and. the letters ,delittered on Wedetsday. /tn• sweat to loiters sgnt ho Edinburgh would Asks six-rights and five days. .Hy trapsferring the heirless , to Leaden, not only the tepees of those offices week! ;he: spared, hat,ill party feeling:A.oldd be s eicriegesked. Bet seed %night . object that Albite might safer bz o .. b t ion, he eissev. lie remembered it was • said After the . that ee Par 11 0 0 d grow in the .streets of .DuWist. !Oak the ceptriry, *ore weal* loam* of hisses, 4 retitlagel. If .shipa, of exports of . asteroid oterassereeorisd of is ternal trade, as woeW appear free the following state ment:— Inbahltents. - In 1931 1788 Ikons. llicrooge In 20 years, or 1.6 3,409 • With tegitni to Its weds, tilting. the wee L-- Iles account Toss. Ships. In arto 3 eon, frogs 1921 to 1924 3,029 front 1799 to 1800 2,676 329,8139 286,729 locrrose . OUT PORTS OF' IRELAND lit Area yeah, floil - 11321 to Ititi 7,969 from 1798 to 1900 4,709 , 446, 00,840 713,261 3,863 eitkes I Increase •Lia Total .SlO2l 1878,818 When he looked at the lmporti and exports, be felt that Dublin, from its central situation, hod, In a commercial view, little to apprehend from the remove of the Viee-Regsd Court. From the period of the Lidos,' the account stood thus :-- IM PO RT S. - Average of three-years, tn IBe2. ..... Z3;638,1841 to 4,8E17,404 Incresse In twenty *ore 910,776 re. Acernse of three year', to 1819 . 1,611,767 to 1900........ 1,491,847 • Increase In twenty years .... 176,909 The number of attorneys, she, increased ' • but that was not a proof of wealth. On the whole, he oontended that only a few favourite individuals in Dublin (mild suffer by the abolition of• the office of the Lord Lieute nant. White Dublin was the principal port in Ireland —while it was the riocieal seat of trade and commerce —while it had a military depot cod barracks—while it had the Courts of Law, and xis the seat of a University, Sid. the inhabitants Oak dot suffer much by the remota, of the Lord Lieutenant, and the officers tinder him. The object would be as well answered by the appoint. went of Lords Lieutenants of counties, as In England and Scotland. What difference was there between the conditions of Scotland and Ireland that the . officers of the latter could not be so well managed in London as three of the former were ? He had clearly proved that L ome changes were necessary—that the Lord Lieutenant, and the Officers connected with him, could be dispeased with, and that a great ex pense _ might be saved by his T amara, At to th• parade of • Court, that was long since given up in Ireland. All the business was done by the ChiefSecretare,aod the Lordi Lieutenants hither to were mere pageants. Ireland ought not to be go verned by a colony : it ought to be made an integral pith of (he kinxdorn ; and, to complete the Union. the office of Viceroy ought to be abolished.—lt was a libel on the Noblemen and Gentlemen of Ireland to say they were not fit to act as the Lord Lieutenants of counties in England acted. They, in conjunction with the Com; mender of till forces, might, in cases of emergency, act uctil communications could be bad with the Chief Se cretary in London: Tie disturbances in Ireland were natural, and characterised au injured country. The ob ject of his" motion was for an inquiry into the expedien cy of doing a“ ay with the Lord Licuteaincy. It was the opinion of some of his friends that the best mode would be to appoint a Committee of that House to in quire, but he, for many reasons, preferred a Commis. &lon. If be were asked whom be wished to appoint, he certainly would leave the inquiry in the hands of the existing Commissioners. They already acted a liberal and an honest part, and he would gladly con. sign this inquiry to their care. The Hon. Member con chided by moving, " That a homble Address be present ed to his Majesty, praying that his Majesty might be graciously pleased to appoint a Countdaston, to inquire whether the Government of Ireland was tribe continued as it was at present, Of whether' the Lord Lieutenant mid the othei Officers depending on him might be die !sensed With. Mr. RICARDO seconded the motion. The question being then read from the Chair, Mr. GOULBURN said he would not flatter the Mon. Gentleman, by concurring ip the hopes the Honourable Member entertained that his motion would meet the approbation of the House. He could assure bite , how ever, that, if be knew himself sofficlently, the office be then held ass not the cause of the oh:tuition which he felt himself bound to give him. He differed with the Hon. Member on the subject of ble motion, becaese he thought nothing could be more derogatory to the true interests of this country and of Ireland 'ad every Hon. Member ought well consider the subject before he should give his assent to it. In that was said by the Hon. Gentleman the saving —the p. cutlery saving, that was to be effected by the abolition of those establishments in Ire land constituted his main argument. Hot in all those points of economy, on which he differed with the Hon. Gentleman, there aas none more extravagant than this—. that on account of the charge to this country, a ought to abandon Ireland and let her govern berself. He Doped that on that point the House would egrets with him and others, wise and great men. They we(e not to look to a pal ry pecuniary saving, but the great qitestion was how that part of the Uniieti Kingdom could be most efficientiv governed. The great object of every government shoiA e to ameliorate the coditioa of the people. la the des; pitye the person Invested with. authority should be on the spot to give effirieacy to aill'tite acts offite Govern ment. The Him. Member said that all the duties of the lord lArutenai.t afigitt be teansterre4 to this or that other, ; nd the Lieutenancy coeld therefore be dispersed with. The floe. Member did not bear in mind that the Lord Lieutenant ba lie examine.into cases, on which the life or death of individuals depended. The 'Alpe:irate tionc• over the athrtintstMtion ofjostice, the peculiar pro • vinee sif the Lord Lieoffleatit, wes ski entirety ovet" taniteb ley the ttoo,Nentienssa. A multitude of conilt. dove incessantly ailed for the icseetigatinti ofs the Lord liaieutitiant in the last pars. bite Honourable Member entirely ondoed the ikentien of time heavy duties.— This. duty could not be p wlormett lit an edisittintra tibia is Ciendon. A mold to a criminoll foe a week, and "Pligtaliene WOOF btohf out, wbrcb could not be. unlined, .wonittroYei Veffshetheet toerlthrcamt be fate twilit end! I ti e r : idi plee: Theo - sees somber. point on which. wax , The reddienee it Littler Onveroter i~ Iml ail was Weetilicktion to the &tints of that cowl '•• • • THE STATEN try. Alwayi feeling they were a conqsdfid4teri* - tilf, would more sensibly feet thenssolves efegraid. if t h e re- settee of the Lord Lieutenant:was trithirmen. Itlmpateon, age of the Government of Ireland, if transferred from ' 1 . -prove a amines detriment to the better ° classes y. The Hon. Member laid down that the buil. relied was se trivial, that it.could be throWn Into of socie ness of .Ibe ',Greet the Cbief Secretary.bere, without.giving aey great incumbrance. As for big .part, be thought such an arrangement impossible,or if it were not so it would t4rinjoire the appointment of another Secretary.tead -tie; natal office to •be exclusively occupied in • the oaks of Ireland. The lion. Member also *aid. that though disc ihethified with one Lord .Liestenant in Ireland, he wo 'Objection to thirty-two,'one to preside over every county, including in their own .persons, all civil and military je &diction. He Also, proposed Secretary of State for Ireliad, bet bow was that officer .to .obtain infor- Motion without having some oonfidential person hem whom be might receive correct laformatioo. •It weeeldatot be fit that all comosisaication should depend OPireports, or from unaccredited people. Thu Honore able.Member introduced Scotland astao example,, hut be (Air. 0.) was not willing to admit .that there me Any analogy, la the ease. it was.propoaed .that &resident of firer in Ireland would answer all the purposes of Govern ment of that country in conjuaction with .this. The "station then would arise, told ,varioss opinions which could not be well reconciled. He wished to observe in this place, on the statements of the Hon. bleaker with respect to the appointment of Protestants only to all 4-1 hoes. Instances had been riven from the Stamp 000Lp bat it would appear en inquiry, that in that deperteesna some Roman Catholic names were to be foetid. He we- Minty could not deny that the greater number of all cep pointinents was from Protestants, because the estublielst mint itself was Protestant ; but he would deny that sat' 'favour was shown, or an inquiry ever made when a per son was recommended ,to othm, whether be was or was nets Roman Catholic. He would not say much more, but merely_recapitulate the heads of his opposition to thi motion. With regard to expenditure be was ready to ad mit that some saving might be made, but it was totally immaterial in companion with the general value of the residence of a Cbief Governor in Instead. With regard to the plan of referring the subject to the Commissioners of Irish Inquiry, if any thing could make the Govern ment of Ireland disregarded by the people, it would be such a plan. The question was of too great importance to be left to a Pazliumentary Commission ; if it was to 'be agitated at all, the House of Commons itself was the proper tribunal to decide. From the different reasons which he had urged, be felt himself compelled to vote against the proposition of the Hon. Member. Sir H. PARNELL said that the office of Lord Lieute nant had within late years acquired a new aspect. Its military jurisdiction was some time since removed colitis country. If so efficient government was required, the present system was far from being so. A great reliance was placed by the Hon. Secretary on the impossibility of. procuring satisfactory intelligence from Ireland, if the seat of its government were removed hither. But lie did pot see what value could be placed on the correspondents of the Lord Lieutenants of Ireland, whose communica tions have appeared on the table. From one place was found a police officer's letter ; from another a magistrate's, whom no one beard of; and in no one instance were letters from noblemen or gentry of consequence to bet found. A great stress was laid on the regard due to the feelings of the people of Ireland, but he believed tbm they bad no attachment to the office of a resident Load Lieutenant. It was a question with him whether the acts oftlovernment were not weakened io their tran.unis *ion through him. The City of Dublin, which was sup. posed to be most interested, would continue to increase so prosperity, as it had done since the Union. The int ports into Dublin were greater by oue million a year for the last five years, than before the Union. That increase arose on an import of two millions and a half. On all points be was decidedly iu favour of the motion. Mr. D. BROWNE opposed the motion, and said the very mention of the withdrawing of the Lord Lieutenant in Dublin, would almost raise a rebellion. Mr. PEEL said, that haviug held one of the offices pro posed to be abolished, he thought he might say a few words on the subject to the House. He ventured to contend that Ireland was not in a state at present to dispense with a local Executive Government. The question was not one of ex pense, but of expediency. Retrenchment was at all times desirable, but in a question of such magnitude as the pre sent, he thotight the saving of a few thousands yearly too paltry a consideration. Of all the evils, however, which world attend this consolidation of the Executives of the two countries, one of the greatest appeared to him to be the total absence of a controlling power over the administration of the Government in Ireland in its details. It was impos sible that this subject could receive the same attention from the United Parliament, sitting at a greet distance, that it would from a controlling power immediately upon the spot. The consequence therefore must be, a devolving of that power now exercised by the Lord Lieutenant upon indivi duals in Irelend.—(Hear.) For how was such a conse quence to be guarded against t The Hon. Member p'ro posed to assign over the duties of the Lord Lieutenant to the Secretary for the Home Department. He (Mr. P.) did not object to this plan, because of the increase of trouble which it might bring upon himself personally ; yet he would say one word on the additional labour which it brought on the office; he wished the House to consider the great increase of population in Ireland—the increase of duties in England, Scotland and Wales—,the obligations of attending all day In an office, and during the Session the greater part of the night in the House—but above all, the large proportion of the Secretary's time which was taken up in administering the prerogative of mercy, where every ease was to be ex amused by himself personally, and he was sure they would not say that it was an office from which a larger portion of labour and application might be reasonably expected. Un der such circumstances, then, was it not probable the affairs' of Ireland, which were those that required most attention, Would be postponed to more immediate claims of interest at Me" backed by all the Winona, of Noblemen on the spot, and into which the Secretary might himself be disposed to enter, from local knowledge of the affair.—(Hear.) Eves with the most conseientions Secretary of State, this might happen, for he would have every consideration to induce him to look to domestic concerns, whilst the distance of Ireland , his unacqualotauee with the bearings of every local goes floe, and the little coolidence which he could place hi the purity of his source* of intonation. would Naturally in dispose him to he very zealous in examining into Irian, or compere:rely, foreign questions. On this account, there. fore,tbe amalgamation of the Executives was to ho depre 'rated, as the natural result must be, that, of all thesor tions of the empire, Ireland would be that lent attended to. Let the House only look at the administration of plaice alone in Ireland, and they would see some of the inconveniences which would attend the proposed plan. They were aware that, in all applications fur mercy, the case was examined by the Secretary of State himself, andl , in almost every rase there was a second trial ; for some of the parties tried to prove en alibi, and others set up varilois defences, upon which it was the bu'siness of the Secretary ultimately to pronounce. Now this portion of public business for England already occupied a large por tion of the Secretary's time; but if the Irish ba.ioess was added to it, a groat share of it must go unattended to al together. Fiie during hat year there wire no less than 6,312. convictions took place' in Ireland, and in every case 1 of these the parties might have made an applicati o n for mercy. (item.) In fact„2,4oo bad actually made suck applies:toe% end hi 400 cases the capital convictions bad brio set aside. Added to this very important consider. 'atiOn was soother., nentely,.the impossibility of a Secre• taq residing in London, having the local luformatioal ouch trio wow% so his ceecting the duties of his °lke ;. 0150'1 istetligeoce of al kinds was vadiralkt. rrot so much for ite,sobetance as for the astbratigiv of tn. boor)* : front which 'the Seen., lux foe the nowt tforattetent, it naught be expeetect, wanid ba ip lAN. 111indb: till it was spate Imptimllllo lit. With the otothei; badness on his bands; IS chid(' give the `doe- titre of alttretion to a conntrysiltete &000 °envie. tioni took place yearly. To exemplify this by a single instance, beteotild . put the case of the proclaiming of a disturbed county to Ireland. Suppose six Magistrates f Yid `adkiteased the .Srceetaty, deicing that a county Ist .be proclaimed; it might be that all the facts kited by them were true. and, yet it would be most im peller to resort to-so- sevetetteavitit. Itiias therefore nary that the Seermaryikeild biewestme local in formation, in order to . set a peeper value open the docu meat Whichliad been addressed to hies. Again, if 'tlk difficatties of increased hilliest tvtte tot *ter, and that an Assistant. Solitary was eppolatedr for Ireland, the whale benefit of the affairs Of the lieu want ries being ['o der tee bead would Tdierez would. be cremated a second tribunal. of to4rAlidttil jerbiffirticia, add all jia tansies' arising lento a divldtio dt Power would be the consequence. Ileirdes the• power tif the Secretary of State, as to Ireland, would be still to be marked out, Whilst on the other hand the jurisdiction of the Lord Lieutenant, sod the Secretary of State were already well; defined, sad there was no clashing of interests, for ihn King's ordevs were now conveyed to the Lord Lieutenant, of Ireland through the Secretary of State. If a second Secretary oat State was appointed for Ireland, be must spend owe half of the year in London, attending his do dos In Paelladient ; for there codkl not be one Secretary in the Flamer; and - another 'actively engaged, since it was contrary le thirConstirdtion that one Man should be re sponSiblitor ti e acts of another. This new Secretary would therefore lose all the advantages of a •residence in Ireland, sidce he would be obliged to spend half the year here. Ms. ARRRCROIdBY—So he doesit present. Mr. PEEL--Bdt . whits be is here, his master, the Lord Lieutenant, is beyond, on . the spot.—(Year.) On the grounds, therefore, that a resident superior power was ne cessary in Ireland ; he contended that this motion could not be seceded to. If there was not a resident eontrouling power, the duties must devolve upon inferior individuals in Ireland. The Hon. Member had firgeetthitthe residence of the Secretsry.in London was particularly desirable, as he weeld be free from the failuentedf party spirit, which pre veiled in betend. If this wan true, the ifileglish Secretaries ought to go to reside in Dublin, since Lottdoe woe the great usenet faction and petty—(a laugh); or rather Holyhead would be the proper station for the irieh Secretary, since he would be there free from all sinister influences, except, in deed, thoseof the good people of Wales—(Laughing.) It was argued, as a reason for abolishing the office of Lord Lieutenant, that it had lost a great share of its petronageo— However true this was, in some degree, it wee no less true, that the Lord Lieutenant still retained as much power to ap point to all useful (Arse in the Slate as be ever possessed:— The appointment of Officers of the Revenue had certainly been tram ferred from the Lord Lieuteuant to the Board of Excise, it being St that that body which was responsible for the collection of the Revenue, should have the choosing of their own officers. But it mattered little to the public ins meditt• ly, whether the Ofßeers ofthe Revenue were pure or not. Whilst, therefore, the Lord Lieutenant retained in his hands the power of appointing to offices in the Law, and in the Church, he contended that leis power was madimielsbed for all useful imposes. it was quite impossible that to Finglish Secretary residing here could possess au adequate knowledge of the candidates for the highest offices in the Church and Law.—(H ear.) Under any circoinstawees, there-, fore, but more especially under the present, when the greater part of Ireland was subjected to an extraordinary species of dominion, and when its disorders exceeded those of any other known period of history, was it unwise to withdraw its local Government?—(lietr.) If it required alt the aerveof the arm of power to suppress these disorders hitherto, whet was to be expected 'when the resident osntrowittrg influence over the police was taken away And then, if it was expo dieet to dispense with the office of Lord Lieutenant, surly no one could stand up and say, that Commissioners should be sent over to inquire into what changes might be made in it. Did the Hon. Member reflect for a moment upon the ef fect which the arrival of Commissioners for that purpose might produce in the country? The Irish were not phiioso phr:s, nor was he disposed to say that they would come to wrong conclusions hastily, but he wouid assert that thug could draw so other inference from seek a circumstance, thew that the office of Lord Lieutenant bad been entirety taperer dad.--(lisar, hear.) If Commissioners were to be asst at all, he would advise the removal of the Lord Lieutenset at once, for it was better to have a Secretary of Statiabeee sespicioe, than a Lord Lieutenant whose Joliette& must be necessarily weakened by Use suspicion which such an lie- ; quiry would imply of his coaduct.—(Hear.) For all these , reasons he opposed the motion. Mr. ABERCROM BY confessed he found much dffir. l cuhy . in expressing an opinion upon this subject. He, certainly could not vote for the removal of the Lord Lies-' tenant at present. but that did not preclude him frees giving an opinion on the general question as to the best mode of administering the affairs of Ireland. Looking at the consideration doe to Ireland, he could not but say. that she was entitled to a 'local government ; but the way In which they were to view the question was, by the light of the experience which past Oevernment afforded them. Looking at it in this way, it was obvious to him that the good governing of Ireland required some of f icer at the head more identified with the Cabinet at home titan a Lord Lieutenant was. It was simply because the con tending parties in Ireland felt that the fate of the Lord Lieutenant did not decide the fate of the Administration in England, that so much opposition had been made to him. As to the details of such an arrangement, that was another question; but be did not see where the diffi culty was.. Indeed, he confessed, that the difficulties had considerably diminished since he had heard the op. position of the Right Hon. Gentleman. Sir JOHN NEWPORT declared it to be his opinion' that no measure could he conceived more calculated to, increase dissatisfaction and trouble in Ireland than what was proposed by this motion. If a Commission of such a natbre were appointed, the Lord Lieutenant could not bold his power for one hour longer. Not only he could not, but, in his opinion, he ought not. So far from re lieving Ireland from the contentions of parties. it would throw them completely into the hands of parties headed by powerful individuals of either side. This was not the policy pursued in the wisest reign of the English mo narchy with regard to Ireland ; for in the reign of Queen Elizabeth, so far from takiag the Lord Deputy from Ire land in the time of trouble, it was deemed right to send the Lord President into the disturbed provinces, that he might be near the scene of action to take measures ac imedingly. Ile had no interest in the question either way; he had long biren a Member of Parliament, and hag lived in Irelani4..iind his duties in either capacity towards. his native country must soot in the worse of SMUTS cease; hot he was convinced that tech a measure 'as this would only irritate the feelings of his country men, and plunge the whole country still deeper in war ' dry. That this would be the only effect of it he was (convinced. and he should, therefore, vote against the Hon. Member's motion with as much satisfaction as ever be gave a vote in hi. life. Mr. S ••cretary GASSING said, he felt no difficulty in' 'l:termini:lg to which of the testimony of the two lion. tSleuebtrs opposite, both competent to give an opinion en this subject, be should incline. 11/logjam, however, •conflicting t-stisnotiv to the test of general prineiptea r he must confess, th:t possibly at no time, peobahly at I no near time, and eertsiely nut at the peasant time,. rvout he think it right to dispense with the Inset gn. erement of Ireland. lie would 'oppose such an act al i done, and long passed, in what state would' Hutt comv tty be as to Government, without one official person competent in that House,' to answer for any one measure. Ile might be said Hut laced information. was of no peril . - oa'ar use in llovertnneut i but this very Niutioi 11161140! kris that they did. not think it min to proceed one dale `in the case without seeding-a Crunaniionot to collect ford i n f orm ation. of which to found the plan' of fintentioa rev:meat of traratt Wm, avonptir •to Mir system, it must he in every crisis; theymust send a succession of Lord Lieutenants, in the shape of a Commireon, to gather information. with all the difficulties which a perturbed state of the country most place in the way. (Hear, hear.)—lf inch local knowledge were necessary to the well governing of a country, he bad rather it should be gathered gradually and imperceptibly, from the-silent careen% of-effairs, than by -fits - and ensteltes„ each as lie had described. —(Hear,hear.)--Sueir, a coarse as the Hon. Member proposed. would throw the Doyens- Mint bird the binds of the heads Of and renew that syitern of andertiking aid& lied been of so much evil to Ireland. He did not mean to - say that finance ought to be a goveroilg motive in a case of this nature; lout he certainly could not leave one of view, nor think It a light evil that the capital of Ireland should be de prived of the expenditure of 100,0001. tog•ether with the. expenditure attendant ou the presence of a Court. The removal of the Lord-Lieutenant would. he tho ug h t , break the link betwixt this country and Ireland, and aggravate existing sore feeling and distress, wh ere gr i ev- . ances were sufficiently sore, and distreises 5116c1 - enlist pressing. As to the proposed inquiry, he thou g ht i t would be more mischievous than the removal. t Mr. DAWSON opposed the motion. He stated the inconveniences that would arise to the public service, as well as to the trade of the metropolis of Ireland, from the removal of the Lor'l Lieutenant. He considered the motion to be roost impolitic. Mr. It. MARTIN said, *hat he was one of the indi viduals who took a part in bringiag about the Union, He remenibered that a compact wns concluded on thit occasion, that a permanent Lord Lieutenant should al ways reside in Ireland. Ile was much surprised, after the pompous advertisement put forth by the Hon. Geo. demon, to find that he had so very thin a benefit. He considered the motion improper and most mischievous. Mr. O. HUTUHINSON saind . he slitrold consider it a great calamity ta e pteseti . t agitated stat e o f ere_ land the'Hoiree should cast any implitatiOn or embarrass talent on the administration of the Marquess Wellesley. He should not, therefore, vote for the motion. But if thit Noble Person were not to be permitted to govern Irelantieemirdirag to his own views of what was fit fdr that country, ft would be roach better that he should be rernoved. As to the extent of the military establish ment in Ireland ; the netts*, of keeping up this cite bildrineut did trot Mfea.from thy profligacy in the trials character, hitt froin'iltricedditionof the people, which was brought about by ihe long syitein of Misrule. Sir O. HILL said that it•uould be unforutnate for Ire land, if Lord Wellesley were removed ; for it repaired the powers of his great mind to balance between the parties which distracted that country. lac was prepared to vote against the motion. Mr. HUME replied. Re dni not see how his motion conic* be oensidered as a reflection on the adminietratitio of Lord Wellesley. He would satisfy the Hen. flentlernin who entertained fuels a notion, by expressly disavowing such an intention in his motion. Neither the Secretary for Ireland, nor the Secretary for the Home D. partineut, bad understood his meaning. They both rode off on horses which he never mounted. lie did contend that the Duties of Secretary could be performed in London. Though there would be a saving of 130,4100/.. yet that would be only a trivial part of the benefit to arise from the measure. lie said lie bad no objection to alter his motion. so far as to leave oat the words " Commissioners to inquire," and substitute this words that " this House considers." ' The 111061111 was then put in its original form, and t.e gatived withont a division. EDUCATION IN IRELAND. Sir J. NEWPORT said, his object was to engage the House in another Session of Parhament, to inquire into the general state of education in Ireland, so es to ascer tain what had already been done, and what remained to be accomplished. Ile believed they were all agreed, that by more generally diffusing the blessing of education, the condition of Ireland might be expected to be amelio rated. The Right Hon. Baronet entered into an histo rical recital of the measures adopted in connection with this:subject at different periods and under successive Governments. He then took a view of the returns made relative to the Diocesan and Parochial Schools, There were no returns from the four dioceses of Armagh, Dub lin, Tuam and Cashel, end in many parts from which returns h ad been made the schools were fear, and of these but a small number were kept by clergymen. Ile con chided by moving two Resolutions to the following effect :--. That this House, deeply impressed with the serious responsibility thrown on Parliament, for promoting, by every possible means, the general instruction of the peo ple, will, at the commencement of the ensuing Session, canoe a full and accurate inquiry to be made into the state of Diocesan and Parochial Schoo's, and also into the state of those on Royal foundations, with a view of extending to the whole community the essential blessing of education, without regard to any religious distinc— tions, by making those funds furnished by public bounty or private munificence available for the purposes to which. they were intended to be applied, subject to no restrictions but such as the will of the donor or Parliament should specially direct. That in order to facilitate this important inquiry, returns of the state of all Parochial and Diocesan Schools, and Schools on Royal foundations, are ordered to be prepared to be laid before this House, specifying the manner in whicis• the sums granted by Parliament iu the ten yeari last pad have been applied. GOULSURN bad intended to offer no observations on this motion, and agreeing with the Right lion. Baronet generally, it gave hies pain to differ from him with respect to his first Resolution. He had no objection to have all the facts laid before Parliament which the Right Hon. Baronet wished to obtain, bat he thought It inexpedient for the House to give in one Session for what it would do in another. Next Session he bad uo idea that he should object to the appointment of a Committee on this subject, but to give the plodg. now called for, would in some degree embarrass the Houle, sod ebild don nod. ble.lll . gicit , the promise of the Right Honourable Clentlpilniltirife sen him great satisfaction. No person who looSid to the effect of education in Ireland could doubt the result. Sir J. NEWPORT also expressed himself satisfied with the promise of the Right Hon. Gentleman. With the leave of the Hoeft, he should withdraw his resolution. After a few words from Mr. PEEL and Mr. 0111A1C4 the Resolution was withdrawn. The Labour of Convicts' Bill was read the third time, sad Pasted. 1190 THE LARCENY BILL. Sir J. MACKINTOSH rose on the order for the third read ing of the Larceny Bill, to move an amender:est lie refit eettd the attention of Gestlmmo who took interest in the mycelia capital punishments. The circumstances of the Silt called upon him to interfere. His complaint with respect to tbs Sill before the lions. was, that it would iscrease capital punishments rather than diminish them. The uffonce of • stealing in attached shops to the value of forty shillings, imposed the punishment of death, and the objets& of his amendment was, to make that offence punishable not with death. In bin amendment he should support the rite -I.phrof the peeattibte of the Bill, which' Waif if trill:leder 56 NW' City' capital puttishme nt on all cries' Of sheep-strai t mg. The intentlett of the let of Geotge the roortil was .to tate aWay . egpft.if punishment on all casesof stealing it shops -X tionstenction had, however,. been put on that Act whiCti he considered a juggle, it:eunuch as. if If , peared•to. be 'anteater the i tention of the II bad been decided, that all cases of stealing Weber et! Sicked to tho ditelling‘bouse Might be peeltheti 4 4 ' 'tally. 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