The Statesman. — London, England, 1823-05-07 00:00:00

01'; LordCOLCIIESTER said the more be considered this subject, the more he felt convince) that improve ments were lousily called for in our judicial system : sot particularly of the policy and expediency of increasing the number of Judges. The LORD CHANCELLOR said he know nothing of the measure before the other House of Parliament, except from what he bad peen in the newspapers. When '• that measure should be brought before that House, he . would come prepared, and without any partiality or pre judice, to enter into the consideration of it. • The Marquess of BUTE expressed his full concur rence in promoting the object of his Noble Friend ; hat, it the same time, he must agree with the Noble Earl (Liverpool) that it was better to wait for the result of the proceedings then before the other House of Par liament. Lord CAWDOR said a few worts in reply; and the motion was negatived.-Adjourned. ....-..... HOUSE OF COMAIONS.-Tossiste. Mr. O'GRADY presented it petition from the CorPora • lien of Limerick,. against the Bill for correcting abuses . in the Corporation of that eity. - 4kid on t he table. • On the motion that the Portage Oyster Fishery Bill be • read the third time, . .. • Mr. BERNAL moved that it be rend that day six . - . months. The ATTORNEY-GENERAL, Mr. W. SMITH, and . If r. SYKES opposed the Bill ; Mr. HURST, mil Sir W. • DR CRESPIONT supported it. Mr. HUSK ISSON thought s general Bill ought to be introduced for the protection of infant oysters. • Thelcallery was then cleared for a divisiori-For the • Pill, 97-.Agatnst it, 39-Majority for the Bill, 58. . ; Mr. S. RICE moved the second reading of the Li . foetid( Taxation Bill on the ground of mutilation of %widen& awl misapplication of the Corporate Funds. ... - ale. O'GRADY opposed the Hill, and moved as an :neriandnsent that it should be read that day six months. .• -- ,- • i Tite original motion was carried without a division. • A desultory conversation then took place respecting arrangements of mutual accommodation in bringi n g on . motions which stood for particular days. The general . . . - ,irsaprnsion was, that the inquiry before the House should .. NitgOltreiisleat of all other business till it was concluded. , . • :Ike following Hon. Members briefly expressed their . .• " •,, simutiments so the point-Sir R. Heron, the Chancellor * *Of the Exchequer, Sir T. Lethbridge, Mr Calcraft. Mr. •Seelttary Peel, Sir James Mackintosh, Colonel Barry, Lord Nugent, Mr. Abercromby, Mr. Becher, and Mr. ' Coulburo. SHERIFF OF DUBLIN. On the order of the day being read, the House resolved ' . itself into a Committee, and the inquiry Into the conduct of the Sheriff of Dublin was resumed. 6 • .. Mr. PLUNKETT stated that he had received a letter . . 'teem a person hamed IYadden, one of the witnesses to be ex emitted, comp:aining that In the testimony given by John , 'Connell, his character had been falsely traduced. He r , .. .been represented as a bankrupt, who had fled to atilid bls creditors, an allegation totally untrue, and he now ;wished to be allowed an opportenity of disproving it at the bar. Mr. J. WILLIAMS then moved that Barrett Wadden, the pereon In question, be called in. Air R HERON observed that it would greatly facilitate the examination of witnesses, if gentlemen who took part fa . the proCeedings, aid usually sat near the her, would - their questions through the Chair, and place themselves at greater distance from the party examined. Another circa mace which ought to be avoided, was the protracted sew! venation. on irrelevant Subjects, which some Honoorable. * Maidiers were in the habit of holding among themselves. 1 . The witness Bengt Wadded then appeared at the bar. ..e sit .j, , Examined by Mr. J. WILLIAMS. - Withess le a silk Ma - --1- 1 ... - MIMI sofacturer, and liras le PalecieinearLDebile. Knons John "fit , Ceinuell, and met b fa shortly aimed* riot at Ithielhanre. ft war on a Wedoesday when M'Coottell ogled at Witasti's • hence and made Some eommunicatlons to Ms.,' He coiled la --. tae- evening. and impressed his serpdee to milieu at the .egodeet of Sheriff Thin o, (observing that . ha had "Wooly • betrayed greet 40110152C0, bet. that his neednet altogether was so extraordinary, that he. could Way 'hikes Ma In, his right • before met the Sheriff at • party wherethere who sekeral, nation'. and among them W. Grehare,•oae of the. 10(11441 • ids oriental of being eancereed in the- riot. They were plug-. leg cards, arid William Graham threw down the kltaVai . -of trumps, observing. " there la the Lord Mayor, d -oldie; • I wish he was out donee ; .1 have s greet atind'te pnt•ltim est myself." Upon this Mrs. Sibthory said, .• how maid • you put him out, you are but a little fellow 1"-(Willitan '• Graham being a low sized man.) Graham answered, tali 0 1 . • jump up and bate a lick at his face." Sheriff Thorpe. mild i at the same thus., In the presence of them all,'" be d----4110 • . the Marquess of Wellesley. there will be no good hi Irliki • SW bout of it." M , Connell then asked the Sherilretblial • *AIM be done with the 'persons who had been taken sp for : -41.1P10t, • aa4p e answer was, " they are iu safe hods; 1 • been an Or nil in my pocket," at the same iiinocia • ping bit ban upon his pocket. Witness thought that - ' wet only doing ails dute to his fellow-citizens and to country at large, in eennounicatingthese facts as be heel calved them froin,M - Connell, who had also stated, that • Ste Sherif was tablet his departure from the party, lie tura • lid round and again said, " be d-ri to the Marques* Well* ley." Witness minrinenleated (Ise circumstance to the Go. 'reunion' the following day. On Saturday hi'Connell w summoned to mad at Me Castle, where he was examined Ou oath. Wei' Si n, gave his inforettion to the Government 'through Mr. ewe-, the assistant Of M r:Jobasali, the prii, vase secretary of the Marquess Wellesley. Witness hadsedot wasaversetion taitittlie Attorney-Genet/1(ov Indeed dtt tt4 Subject, on the Tbarsday following, but beoely 111•01491 .' i Übe the privet* facts. Witness. Waa Onicirtonste in ;Aerie, Smite lost a property after he had Rade it, Ile had Emir .. tom made a bankrupt. for the i CorendasiPit was superaed end lie settled hie- airs to file satisfaetion of his clic) i _ Be bad peter been obliged to leave Ireland. Xnd he be . .n ol but two creditors. He could take 'man hiinself to may, that 131. would pay thi • whole of his debtb,yrtih the inteterelbo , or those incurred for household matters, such as any man sigh; contract. . ~ • Col: BARRY Next examined the witness,• bet soiwe ild• first questioasise pus Were quite ioaediblela theHtailtega •B had reason to bellerre that theAttoreity-Generel•wawinfe ' re of the factettated by M'Connell,mhort4 after they t'apa-. )4ceed, in consequesee of the examination et, the plastid •L'he examination took place on the 14th of Deeembet. She riff Thorpe "act -sited a warrant of .dlstress on the eritniss's , goods ender hip wife's marriage settlement -Does not thfak Ai 'Connell defective in memory. •• , . To ionViettlOns respecting the dOesestie eiroemstereeek of thi• Wit era several resp ecting Memberrebjeeted, as dot re levant teethe Matt at issue. • ' • After' a' Wee Conversation between lit. IL Martin, Mr. Brought*, Mr; w: Wynn, Colonel Barmy Me. J. Martin, ' Mr. Alderman Wood, Mr. Abercromby, der-.Z. Smith, Air G. Hill, MN Wetherell, sad the Attareerthiemit, the cif pip t j tions and ensteers to them relative to the *ally affairs 4 Mr. Wadden; the witless, were ordered to, be expunged: from the minutes. Mr. Wm. Poole called In end examined by Mr. WM LIAMS.-Wituess stated that he lived near Dublin; viio a :Member of the Corporation of Brewers; was airiest every day in Dublin ; remembered the day ( atria/ for the outrage at the Theatre ; knows Mr. Sheriff Thorpe, bad a few words with Mr. Thorpe on the subject of the Grand Jury before the riot took place; Sheriff Thorpe then told him that he would be put on the passel for the next Commission Grand Jury; the next time he saw Sheriff Thorpe was after the Jury was sworn, and then be saw him in the Sessions House. lie Shea asked Sheriff Thorpe what he meant by not putting him on the Jury. and referred to former circumstances 2 The Sheriff replied, that he left him out because he was not a proper person to be put in that situation; he meant by 'for mer circumstances, the promises conveyed in the conversa tion which he had with Sheriff Thorpe; Sheriff Thorpe in '.r said, he had a hard card to play, end it was impost'. -se all parties ; spoke to Sheriff Thorpe of being -•ty purposes; meant by party purposes, an of a Mr. Sutter, whom witness opposed and who made himself conspicuous in Mr. Sutter was a Member of the same 1 I. answer said, he had a ballet off to please all pa ,ray p rti 'Union to the case c In the Corporation, I dressing the status; • vftemeonott u - • -- I Ii .., Corporation; witness 'milked In the Corporation ; he did so alipat 140; when the witness spike Shad he received was, that there Wass v►- conciliation now would not do ft that effect; he never had pansonal quarrel . _ Thorpe, though they were always political opponents; S. did not see Mr. Sheriff Tholpe distil last quarter day; he then met him on the stairs of the Ape:slily House: Shear Thorpe took his hand and sail, be hoped all differences would be forgiven and forgotten ; witness walked out with out making any reply ; he was asked to dine with the She riff. but declined; at one of the Corporation Assemblies, the same Mr. Sutter moved a rote of censure on the Atter ney-Generel for Ireland; witness opposed it, and moved an amendment, which was seconded; Sheriff Thorpe Was in the Chair, and refused to put the amendment, decianag . that the original question was carried; the amendment was seconded by Mr. Fitzsimmons. .. By Colonel BARRY.—The only reason be had for wish ing to be on the Grand Jury, was to assert a right, es mold Member of the Corporation ; that was one of his reesoes ; he never told the Sheriff that he knew more of the differences than any one else; be was passing the shop of —, when he was called In end told that he was not on the Grand Jury, but that speech, that conciliation speech, which he made, was the reason; Sheriff Cooper was not present, bat the suggestion came from bise.—(Here some answers were given, relative to a Mr. O'Meara, which we did not collect.)' Witness considered Mr. Sheriff Thorpe to be a high party man; -witness himself was of the King's called the Christmas party, but he now abided by the King's letter. There was no other person of the same name In the Corporations wit ness took an active part in the election of the Lord Mayor, Alderman Smith; who was a conciliation man • for that reason he thought they were mending; he was told by Mr. Aldermen Smith, that Mr. Sheriff Thorpe left the witness off the Jury in consequence of the speech he made. By Sir JOII!•I STEWART.—it was no degradation to a man of his standing In the Corporation, to assert his chins to be pet on the Commission Grand Jury; Alderman Smith , had a right to be Foreman of the Grand Jury, fir 1823; he was left off, and witness, on inquiry, was telltit was in con sequence of Ali absence; on application, however, to Alder man Smith himself, witness discovered that Alderman Smith was neither absent at the time, or was he served with a sem inoni: The Committee here ordered a reference to the eits.ni nation of Mr. Sheriff Cooper ' on the preceding relation, to conversation between him and the witness, Mr. Poole. A conversation then took place respecting a contradic tion of a pert of Sheriff Cooper's evidence, which the wit mess supposed applied to him. Sir O. HILL asked whether the witness persisted in aaying th it what the Sheriff stat •ti was untrue ?—The witness said that, so far as regarded his going to the He cinder's Court. It was untrue, - Mr. It. SMITH observed that in fact there was no con tradiction ; and - he moved that the preceding questions and answers, where there was an apparent contradiction, should be expunged from the short-hand-writer's notes.— This was agreed to. By Sir G. HILL.—Did you, in fact, gain the Recorder's Courtl 7 - I did not., .. Did, in the Recorder's Court, ask to 100 put on the panel, because you Were afraid justice would met-be done in OrMeara's case 2—How could I ask nay thief, when I was out in the Court?—(A laugh.) By Mr. BROWNIAM—You wished to be on the ?—I said to the Sheriff, .. I should be glad if you if/ put my name on the panel." '•Did 'you offer him any inducement for so doing ? None. Did you not say, that if he put your swim on, you would not divide on the playhouse riot ?—Nevert and I am glad that an opportunity is afforded meet' rept ingtv 1 / 40 this'charge, which was made before agaisat me the Hon. Member for Armagh, as 1 see by the puma... 4 ad tries of order.) I - - ir . P ' Lord MILTON. All personal allusiewillniMproper. The witness should understand that all 041410111110 are put tigh the Cbaliiitan. JO .R * * 'Witness was ordered to withdraw. -." . tterri lo, . r. (I. BEINIPir. Tbe witness's conduct tads. most unbecoming I have ever seen a man placed le the same situation. .1 world suggest that. he be adaseeisked to sc ant the assembly he is addressing. • - Mr. R. SM ITH. The witness's fault, lam sure, ie in voluntary. He is' not probably aware that be has tres passed against the forms of the House. Mr. A lIHRCROMBY. I cannot visit upon the wit hiss's conduct se severe a term as that used by my Hon. Pfldnd (Mr. Beitnetr)t •He was publicly, and by came' alluded to by in Hon. Member of this House ; and it is nireascinabrei tbathe slionld be anxioutt, On the first op 'portunity, to clear lalutself of the imputation which had .en cast upon Ides. (Hear.) I am clearly of opinion Ithat he : has a right to explain himself; but that stuplenation must be free from personal allusions or re- Mallen P. • Mr. BENNET. , The whole manner of. the witness is iftdectent. The Honwshoold not be brow-beaten in this *hinter. Ile seems totally unmindful of the situation in ' If hitt' fon is placed:' .' - sq ~.'NEWPORT. I must say, that if the witness's ante er *as warm, so was the question which be was asked warm. If Member's will rise a violepceof tone in address ,itig)a.witnestyliey ionst i be prepared for some degree of has; intim answer. (Hear.) Ido not justify the person-, nifty of his slinsionei hat I say that Members are in some meastirevespnasible fur the temper of the witness when they put to him Wag= or.violentluestions. )Ir FORMS'S! Its mast be Mere that man if be did F.Oreilly %earthly tlitite question which was put • ter biro. . 'del reonceito 'Mgt the Mode in which he was called h deti teat most'dho4deriy. The witness was under the, ,projectiou of this liclitsts.. . r „Mr.,. f Alderman WAYP.—I ask if great allowance must nor, be made for a, man whose character has been impeached as this . witness's has iu this House.—(Hear.) 4 irat lodiprOadt myself at reading that part of the speech Hof the Hon-Member for Armagh when this illusion was made: • Ana his'erWly Mint* too, even supposing he was lifilty Of it *ad —stylist?' soliciting to ' be mit upon the Grind s lttry ? why,. this happened every day in the City of,Lqmlisa—ia loud laqgh). In the City of London, no thigia.xen, mpri compfon, than for persons to apply to .bovetheir,Aamos oss use Grand Jury;, so that, with all y st .o cor upairo of Jaeland, it appeared that this practic, was as prevalent is England as it was there. • JtSir RSHAW—AIeut racoon myself to say,t bat the wit. -fess bid noriatentiort of :flog o ff ence to ibis Hesse, or to any Member of it. • og Morsel, called upon to ear 'yl a atu'hie continerg sequence of tertnethidg that ocr cared hi this IlloWde: e requested oL me to pot such '. . to hint .would leer him to the desired expla nation. I did so.; and Ism sore the Committee will see that it was more to gratify his own feelings than with a view of giving offences. that be made the allusion to the speech of the Houotwable Member.—(Hear.) The witness war then Called in. The CHAI R3IAN; addressing him, said—" Witness, in whatever answers you may give to questions asked of you, you must not forget the respect due to this House. You are to consider the questions, wherever they come from, as proposed:by me, my declining to repeat them to you being entirely an accommodation towards me by the Committee. You 'Must therefore be careful to avoid all reflections upon, or allusions to. those who pat them; but, whilst I thus warn you, 1 wish you to understand that it is not my intention, nor is it the wish of this House, that you should be restricted from going into any explanation which you deem necessary to par own jut tification.—(Hear, hear.) The witness, in reply to the admonition, promised to adhere strictly to the terms of it, and disclaimed all in tention of showing any disrespect for the Honig. - y -~.--=- = ~ Now explaiii upon, any h without al' Armagh. Ili* . at elln- OATer..—lt le 'peach of . -That will be irregular. Sir.ABERCROMBY.—The difficulty may be got over. by this witness's saying, that he has sohrewhere read that such and such charges hare been made against him. Sir GEORGE HILL—I object to this mode of exami nation. It Is irrelevant. I can see no object in it, but to extract from the witness a commentary upon the speech of a Member of this House, which has nothiog to do with our present enquiry. /dr. S. BOURNE.—There cannot be a doubt but that if any thief) injurious has been said of the witness he ha* a right to explain. The CHAIRMAN.,—Go on with your explanation. Queition repested.—Did you ever otter, if you were put upon the Grand Jury, not to divide upon the Play-house riot?—never. I speak not et those who made the sensa tion, bat it is as gross a Abel upon my reputation as ever was uttered. I declare solemnly I never made any such proposition to Sheriff Thorpe or any one else. By Mr. JOHN WILLIAMS.—Whom do you mean by conciliation seen 2—Those who adhered to the recommenda tion in his Majesty's letter. :a answer toe MEMBER.—Sir W. Smith was Foremen of the Greed Jury of January, IS2B. Witness thinks he had a right tq be Foreman, because he had been Sheriff. The Ex-Sheriff is generally Foreman the succeeding year. By Mr. PLUNKETT.—The Ex-Sheriff is not compelled to serve, but it is a compliment paid him. By Mr. JOHN WILLIAMS.—Witness cannot say upon bow many Commission Juries he has served. These Juries were composed or a different class of persons before Janu ary, 1823, from those that have served there since. The Jurors before that time were more respectable. lie has seen four or five respectable Roman Catholic Citizens of Dublin on these Juries ; the Jurors since January, 1523, were less respectable, and more party men; they were Orangemen,or what are called Ascendancy Men.—(A laugh.) —lf the panels of the different years were put into his hands, he could state the individuals who had been lately introduced upon the Juries, all of whom were men in obscure condilons at life. The panels were here put into the witness's hands, who withdrew to examine them. Mr. WETHERELL Made some objection to the witness's being *Rowed to canvass the characters of the individuals who composed the Grand Jury. Mr. J. WILLIAMS replied that respectability in life be ing An Indispensable qualification of a Grand Juror, the question as to the claims of these individuals in that re spect, was closely connected with the conduct of the Sheriff who had chosen them. The witness upon his return gave his opinion an to the rank end respectability of the ineividnals of the Grand Jury. By Mr. J. WILLIAMS.—Do you find amongst the names any Roman Catholics?—Not a single one ; on the contrary I might to state that ont of these men of the name of Samuel, came to Sheriff Thorpe's meetlog with a placard in his hat, on which were written the words " Glorious and immortal inemory."--(li ea r.) is any one on that panel whom you don't know 7—l be- Rave not. is there what you eel a " conciliation" man amongst them 7- I think Juhn Sharpe. and James Mattliewson ere rather moderate men.—(A laugh) But there is no Roman Catholic'—Not one. (tied they to be on Juries beforel-1 have often sat with thew Nr Tlx or anon piers before J y, 111971.--(Hear.) state whether the reek of the persons in that paper is eqito Woe with whom you sat in the three COMMUSIOR J tido 101111,1 7 -By no means. In what respeet do they differ?'—lnfinitely less respecta ble ; en s o me former Grand Juries, amongst others, there was a Romeo Catholic Oentlegrao, who was said to be worth 120,0041 f. By eft NICHOLAS COLIIIMIST.—I wish toast jou, whether because one of these Jurors drank the "Glorious and immortal memory," and that others of them entertaioed politiesl feelings yea think their bias would lead them to desert their duty on their oaths 7—That is a question which I will hot undertake to *lnnen—(Neer.) MEMBER.--DS yen think the Sheriff would have flaiiisted spoil their sentiments, so as to calculate epon their Correnreireg la any pitrtfirelav views of Mat Ilie.PlEELlose to orftr. He sheerved that if this mode of examination was followed srp, the effect would be to bring discredit upon GrandJerles altogether. Every Mem ber-in the Howe could mower the Teen lee, which wee pertly one of in feteeee. as well es the witness. Sir N.•COLTHURST and Sir G. HILL defended the question. •Mr. J. WII.LIAMS said the question was, whether a particular set of persons had not been selected by the She riff, did it wks proper to every inquiry by which that infor madeo might be obtained. • Mr. PEEL explained. Mr. WETHERELL thought the question an Improper one. The witness was now asked in and asked by Mr. SCAR LEIT, whether-the party feeling in Subtle was not ex tremely warm!—He answered in the affirmative, and pro ceeded to state the differences that existed among Catholics and Protestants in Dublin. He said the sentiments rod party feelings of the Grand Jury wanes° well hewn that Mr. Sheriff Thorpe must babe been ewers of these feeiings, and witness believed he lied seieeted the Jury on that account. In answer so a question from Mr. GRATTAN, the wit ness mentioned the toast given by Mr. Darley, the bead officer of pollee. Mr. IPPS asked if it were possible for twenty men to be on any Grand Jury in Dublin without being actuated by strong party feelings. A Member objected to the question, because it was re qatrieg the witness to give mere matter of opinion, and be believed if proper pains had been taken, • Jury might be selected, who would conscientiously discharge their duty whatever their feelings might he. No answer was given to the question. • The witness being *skint if there had been any Orange men on the hwy, answered that be did not know of his own knowilidge ; bet judging oy report, he believed there were several. He Wei aimed by Sir GEORGE HILL, whether there *ere not perused in Distills of the same political sentiments 'ail& own, sod equally inclined to act impartially ? He soblerered that there were, and men, too, who fek the utmost loyalty towards their Sovereign. Witness was an officer in Ik - Robert Shaw% corps of Yeomanry. The wi t tness, rejthdreir. and the Chairman desired that Mr. Troy might be ailed in. ' Witness said he was a sift Manufacturer in Dublin. Colonel BARRY said he wished to call evidence to eon wallet what the last witness had said ; but he made en mo dal to that effect. • James' Tray, examined by Mr.' WIL LI A . 118 4 --4re rubs in Dublin .when Hills were presented to thitinted ,and bad . beep a witness before the Jury the day the Hills wersignoted. It was in the morning. Ile was introduced elope, no other witness being present. Ile was examined' before the Grand Jury. He made a state ment relative td s transaction that occurred in a tavern in Essex-street, Dublin, the night of the riot at the thea tre. It concerned a number of persons that were indict ed. (Here the witness stated the names of Forbes, Erownlow, Graham, and others.) Ile hail seen at the tavern some of these persons on the night the alleged riot took place. Here the witness was ordered to withdraw, and the Attorney-General objected to this mode of examinetion. Colonel BARRY said he saw it would come to this, and he Waiglad of it; for the more the business was inquired into, the more truth would come out. sir. WYNN doubted the propriety of examining re lative to the riot and the conduct of the Grand Jury, when the only business of the Committee should be rected to the conduct of the Sheriff. Mr. A BERUKOSI BY thought this infinity was proper. Mr. BROUGHAM contended that mach of the con duct of the Sheriff depended on the conduct of the Jury selected by him. Mr. SCARLETT thonzht this mode of infinity was strictly proper, as tending to show what resulted frow the conduct of the Sheriff. • • TIE oostiog Mr. Suttee from ilitiatililiSON-11 t .the middle of Noirembild Acia to. or 1 1 4 oMion Sheriff norm the Imooor leaposidfile toy me, very hard mini to play, sod the Koh. itlemher for for that Jury, or words to quarrel wkii Mr. filierilt Xord MUMON.:2II Ma: , A'l. Sir I;E6RGE HILL could not see how the conduct of the (hand Jury had anc thing to do hills the bncu , diate subject of inquiry before the House. Mr. M. A. TAYLOR observed that the object of the inquiry was to know whether the Sheriff had pc:i*d U. Jury; and was it not necessary to be inforu►ed bon. 0:4 Jury behaved? The witness was again called in and examined by M. IVILLIASIS.—He repeated that he bad been before tt.. Grand Jury. There he was examined as to what he had heard at the tavern. At the time he came before th e Grand Jury lie knew the names of all the persons he I, A d seen at the tavern. though not before. He was examit ed by several of the Jurors fur abont a quarter of ar hour. After undergoing an examination 1 1 ,17 to!d ness they had done with him. He had nut stated th e whole case that hail occurred at the tavern : the reaso n h e did no t s tat e all wal, that before his answer to any question was delivered.. he was interrupted by a fresh. interrogation. In relsting toe transaction thut hail or caned, be was desired not to state the name of any ptir son whom he did not know the night the transaction oecnrred: he was told so by two of theJuro-s. them that although he did not know their names the night he raw them at the Wars, liat bad learned, snot known their names afterwards. Whim at thwravern the names of some of them were mentioned to bias. Witness mentioned to the Jury that he could identif y the person. but was told to say nothing of any one tish he did not know of Lis own knowledge. Witness was ordered to withdraw. Mr. P. MtK)ftE rose to mere the adjnornment cf* the Douse, it being then past eleven o'clock, but tie general fe4tng of the House being in favour of a Coll4^- nration of the examination, another witness was ca,.. ed in. Mr. George Farley examined by Mr. WI I.LIAMS.— Witness is en attorney, residing in Dublin: he tvss *f amine(' before the Grand Jury on the subject of the al leged riot; lie was examined touchin a ednieredion which he heard on the evening of the g riot, at Yl ain i. can's tavern, Essex -street; he stated -on that °evasion that he had seen at the tavern Mr. Fisher, Graham, sat several others. Mr. GOULBURN sugghted that it would be bent; not to enter in detail intu the evidence given by mil witness, but merely what passed between him and the Grand Jury. Mr. WILLIAMS said he had determined to shape the ruminations in that way, and merely asked a few pre liminary questions, for the purpose of briaging before the witness's mind the points upon which be was to be examined. The examination proceeded. Witness named several persons before the Grand Jun, &shaving been seen by him at the tavern; lie also rat-et, that there was another person sitting in a box, trance name he did not at the time know ; Jury told him not, to say any thing, except what he knew of his own know ledge; he said be had understood the name of this per son was Forbes; he was again told not foray any thicg which hedid not know of his own knowledgs ; witress stated that he distinctly knew the person of the nr4'l, whose name he understood to be Forbes; he also aid that he saw this man in the Court on the day he was ex amined, and his name was repeated to him as being that • of Forbes; but the Grand Jury again desired him to say nothing except what he knew of his owe knowledge; witness repeated the substance which he had heard at the to to the Jury; he was freqrently interrupted br some of the Grand Jury ; but principally by the foremao, who toM him-twice not to mention the name of any ene whom he did not know of his own knowledge; witness, hcovever, Ira/ suffered to state the conversation ; a Juror desired that he might be heard, and he proceeded ; when he had finished his evidence he left the room. By Colonel BARRY.—Witness was suffered to stall every fact *at came within bis knowledge; bat he•ilia not feel himself at ease in consequence of the interrue lion. By Mr. PLUNK ETT.—Wia ess stated to the diary 0* he knew the person of Forbes. lYitnest can't rsaky say if Lis evidence was received as against Forbes 0 against a person unknown. By Volonel BA RRY.—Witaese gave his informatiett respecting Forbes as of a person whose name he did not know. .. By Mr. BROWNLOW.—Witness knows a person 9f the name of Brocas; he w..s summoned it r the part of the traversers, and examined on the trial;• has had converts- • lions is ith hint on the subject of the trial. Witness might have said, to Brous, " I aria surprised you are running se high against the Attorney-a-metal—it would he • better for you Not tad* so." or sonaetbiug to that effect. lie might have told Dermas that he was snaking himself 14; brety. Witness nositively denies baying ever said to him—" Brocas, it would be better for you to follow RI example. I get three g a in-as a-day . " He is perfectly astonished that such a thing could. be supposed to hi said by him. By Sir J. llTEWART.—Witness's evidence before the Greed Jury and the Petit Jury on the trial was in sae stance the same. He was not at all embarrassed before the Petit Jury. The traversers were nut convicted. By Mr. PLUNKETT.—Thee. traverser; were not aes quitted. _._ .1- • . By Mr. WI lAA AMS.—Wilkhdf tet did not receive three guineas a-day. Witness...hes. had a converratioa with Brous. He charged Ilrocas with teking too actim a part in the business ; he told him he ought not to vo lunteer himself so far. Witness heard Brocas say, that hicould•pstove that the bottle was not thrown w de person who was charged with it. He wailnduced to say what be did to Brow, breause there were so many per sons whose testimony was against hint. He. beard bin say and unsay ditkrent things. Wituess, in answer to -some qnestiona put by Mr. Brougham, explained that Braces said 'what two oilier persons bad unsaid—nut that Brocas had unsaid sty thing. In answer to questions put by Jr. M. A. Taylor, and Mr. Denman, witness farther stated that he had base before a Grand Jury before, and there was a striking difference between the reception he met with front that Jury, and the Urand Jury now in question. He had es objection to Brocas coming forward as a witness, but lie thought that he was ovrr•busy. Witness was surprised that he should say the bottle was not thrown by there son charged with it. • - By Mr. W I [ZIA NlS.—Wituess withdrew front tha Jury-room of his own accord. He was shown a ids door by a Juryman. It was usnal for the junior Igor to attend the door. lie was certainly not tarried ntt.— The Juryman Aimed bitn to the door rather jelligil• By Colonel BARlLY.—Witness gave inforiblielt at the Police•tiffice before Alderman Dooley, all( brio" the Attornertleneral and Solicit,r-Genersil, end ikrk of the Crown. In his information ha mentioned nu not of Forbes. The Witness was then ordeied I withdraw. Mr. BROLIGH ANI said, that if the Hon.Meolrr for Ca ventry looked at the clunk, he would see thaaour of 54 * journm-nt had arrived. Mt. P. MOORE said he heartily joinod it the desire • • fur asijon rnment. The House then resumed, and the Chairtan leave to sit again to-morrow. Mr. SCARLETT obtained leave to brie in a Pill to extend the Jurisdiction of County Gaols 0 the Contd. Palatine of Lancaster. The other Orders of the , Div ►vere nen ri!, a nd the. House adjourned at half-past Twee O'cloet, 10 this day. II I like, .• .. 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