The Statesman. — London, England, 1809-11-07 00:00:00

T/1 V, ST AT ES MAN. •••/1.- -- - --.....-- ' • "'V flit .0 GentlOirent, whoiellten ,hail the pleasure of see.. , FROM Tag DMZ] PAPERS. in (Mr. Miller). It oas unkitown to the world, , -Maio- TREATY OF PU . aw l. he believed, i.) massy of even the friends of • CE. • Str Fretteis Burdett, tha , 2 in addltien to toe tOeol. Napoleon by the Grace of God l 'ind the Con. stitutiott of the Empire, Emperor of the French, p i es nod by lien to the Westminster Infirmary, he haul also made a d o nation o r 10001. to t h o g i o...• Kht; of Italy, Protector of the League of the ciety for. the Relief of Perecms imprisoned NO Rhine, /Ice. Sall Delos. Mr. Clifferd basing expatiated with hiving seen .and considered the Treaty con. i lee ch iurce en the subject or the Meeting, con. eluded, determined, and signed at View's:, on the flailed by propoting, . I .1• It of this month, by the Sieur Numpere do e The health of Sir marl' Eeriest, the hest Fiteed of Ch. iiitioeits s our M inister ter Foreign Affairs, in' • !-, th.• K. and his Family." virtue of the toll powers, to that end given him by The estkaskalic Villd"ce which folio eed thie us, and the Prince John of Liehteesteitt, Marshal toast coatinited for S 4 veral minutes. of the Armies of his Majesty the E:nperor of The CHAIRMAN, in a very appropriate. Austria, equally provided with full powers speech, returned the Company thanks on behalf which Treaty is of the following tenor :- of his !seethes. I " His Majel the Emperor of the F re nch , " The heAtbs cf Mr. Aider.m W at Goodbehere. Mr. a Ki ng o it b - l r Italy . w a s, Mr. Miller, anti the other patrimic embers of the.;rotecyst of the League of the Corporation or the City of triodes," hetet., M arault.- Rhine Mediator of the Lea ue of Switierland g ; 9 NI I. •Ahlerlaan, GDOBEHERE, i n a very and his Majesty the Emperor of Austria, King of pointed and fort ible speech, expressed his cowrie. Hungary and Bohemia,. being equally aniumted ' • him, that lite advocates of Reform had no object with the desire of p ettin g an end to the War which has arisen between them, have resolved to sego.in v iew, but redress fur those couiplainte which we re so justly founded. When they exclaimed elate forthwith a Definitive Treaty of Peace, and e7einst tyranny and peeelation, they insight fur fur that purpose 'have appointed as their Plettipu -: n ,tiiiiig more titan the restoration of their rights, ientiaries, namely :- an I the privilege of a proper auil necestory con. "fits Majesty the Emperor of the French, King tratil over their texas property. of Italy, Protector of the !armee of the Rhine, the Sicur Jean Baptiste Nuwpere, Count de Charts. isle. WA ITICSI .1N trusted that the undeviating course which he had puesued throughout his poll. pagny, Duke of Cadoeb, Greed Eagle Bearer of tied ilk, °rendered any observation en OM sob.' the Lilian of. Honour, Commander of the Order jest unnecessary. Nu one who bad not been an of the Iron Crown, Knight of the Order of St. e ye.witness of the event which they heti assembled Andrew of Russia, Grand Dignitary of that of to commenturete, could form a correct id ea I d the Two Sicilies, Grand Cross of the Orders of whet used been the nature o f those t i mes . li e . the Black and Red Eagles of Prussia, of the Or had, from the earliest period of his judgment, I .ter of St. Joseph trt`Wurtzburg, of the Order of Fidelity of Baden, of the Order of Hesse Damn.'" been a deeided friend tit Reforta-of the necessity stadt, his said Majesty's Minister for Foreign Af. of which every hoer b r ou g ht to hi s mind in fairs; Ind his Majesty the E nperor of Austria, cr ease,' convieotan. Mr. Hardy, and t he s o ber King of Hungary and Bohemia, the Sleur Prince Geatleanen, had also been attvocites. fur Hier:ton, t h e 1 John of Licatenstein, Knight of 'The Order of the and were the Niceties of war , : ...for p ursuin g principlv of Mr. Pitt they liati,been accused o f , Golden Fleece, Grand Cross of the Order of Maria Treaeo..the fact mu, . tact those principles I Theresa, Chamberlain, Marshal of the Armies of w e re in dirtxt. hostility to those on which the 1 bissaid Majesty the F iiperor of Austria, and Pro. AJmiteistratioo were arting-=end that Ad- 1 prietery Commander of a Regiment of Horse in onuistration .wataieterinined to put the dose. his service —• The virtue of a British -IV/ had, however, ren. 46 Who, having previnnsly exchanged their full *red abortive so nefarious ao ittick un the liter powers, have agreed upon thefullowingArtielcs:- of Englishmen. He 'Jested that. (be people of " Art. I. There shill, from the day of the ex. this country ovoid never relax in th i ___e_c cff ats... chenge of the ratificatioits of the present Treaty, on o that not only mail the principles established be peace and friendship between his Majesty the' by the Revelution of 16E8 wage restore 4, but Emperor of the French, King of Italy, Protector until sufficient barriers should be establibhml, by of the League of the Rhine:, and his Majesty the which we might no guarded agaiust the recurrence Easptror of Austria, King of Hungary and Dube- of all future innovations. mid, their Heirs and Successors t their States and 4 .11 r. MI Li,ta felt sensible of the honour done , Subjects resoectively t for ever. I hint by asso. - iatiag bus awn: with the Gentlemen 1 . " 11. The present Peace is also declared to he , who had just spoken. As an honest man, he 1 common to his Mejtoty the King of Spain, his i had ever supported those priticiplds which ap- Majesty the King of Holland, his Majesty the peered to him as c , :::z.itatirmittly connected with King of Naples, his Majesty the King of Diva. liublie freedoet, tool Which he should ever main. 1 fie, his Majesty 'the King of Wirtemberg lii• , la i n to th e heel of Les ability. ke lad acted upon i Majesty the King of Saxony, and his Majesty the thus': principles, is every instance, to the best of King of Westphalia, his Most Einitteitt Highness hi s ju j g rueot. Firmly attached to the Coostito. the Prince Primate, their (Loyal Highnesses the tit" he oils Jilternsitted to defend its p r ivileges, 1 Gran I Dist::: of Baden, tlic Grand Duke of Berg, and h.: touted that the p 44 unie i teeol etigiedo Nu. th e Grand Doke of Ilesse-Dirtnsildt, the Grand n ow " Ateu l tl for ewer continue to enjoy that free. Duke . 1 of Wiiitslirg, and 41: t Plittees and Mem dam whisit Alto Otoinest end Tinto:oil th e ;It% bars of the Ledge's of the aietitse, the Allis, iii w h o proouteiced the limos:mite of Messrs. * Hardy, the present war, of his Majesty the Emperor of Tooke, end °then, bed procured for 614.111. • the French, King of Italy, Protectur of the Mr. JOHN WRIGII I'-as one of the Scot- League of the ithiee. burs of the Copporatiou of tile City of London,. '• 111. I' - .',lajesty the Emperor of Austria, bagel kare to return his thanks fur the honour . King ut &lege, y and Bohemia, cedes, as well for which lout been conferred on him as one of that himself, his heirs anti successors, as for the Princes Hedy, by the last teast.• lie wouet not detain of his House, their heirs and respective successors, the Canipany longer than to state, di,: perfect die principalities, lordships, domains, and terra. coincidence of •his sentiments with those which tories, herein-salter mentioned, and also all titles '•ey had heard from the worthy Alderman and which may accrue from the possession of the •'emen who last spuke, fur whose talents and same ; and all properties, whether manorial or ',Oslo, he begged leave, at the same time, to j held by them under au especial title, lying within i ii elms his great respect. In the Court of Cons. the said territories. snot; Council, his humble efforts should never he ii 1. Itr ec4 .3 and transfers to his Majesty the Emperor of wanting 4o support such measures, as were calcu- the French, to fom a part of the Leave of the !thine, tad ' lateil to protect, Or promote those principles of to be placed at his dhpuoition, fur the kilned of the Save -I,herty for which Hampden bled in the field, and reign of the League:- Ss dney on the scatfold-those principles lie had " The territories of Saltsburg and Berchtolsgaden ; that Ever maintained, and would sepport to the last part of Upper Austria, situate on the further side of a tine dour of his life. [Mr. Wright was very loudly running from the Danube, at the village of Straas, therein ailoltildti.] comprehending Weissenkirch, Wedersdorff, Michelhach, The 11ev. Mr. Aspland returned thanks in the oreist, Mockenhoffen, Heist, and Jedina ; thence in the di names of the other itewards and himself, on their •ection of Schwandstadt, the town of Schwandstadt on the health; being drank. Altrr,•and thenc , ! axending along the book of that rivt•r, ail.l At half.past eight the Chairman quitted the the lake of the aline name, to the poiut where the lake touches un the tr.-'envy of Sultsburg, Chair, in whiet he was succeeded by .%Ir. Alder. up " His hlaje•ty the Emperor of Austria shall only retain in roan Goodhehere, who immedietele pro s tosed the property the Woods, belringing to th.! lialz-Caitimer-tlut, Iteallli of Mr. R o scoe, which was 'drank with ge and fdriniug part of the motor of Hands, e, with libeety 10 penal entlinsiasin. i cut duelcarry thence the brushwood, but without enjoying The company serrated soon after ten e'cloc k. I any ore of sovereignty upon that territory. " Y. lie also cedes to his Majesty the F.mperor of tie Trench, King of Italy, the County of Ooritia, the Manor of Montefalcone, the Governineat and City of Trieste, Car:dole, with its dependencies on the Gulf of Trieste, the Circle of Willaeh, in Carimbia, and all the territories lying on the right hank of the Save, from the polut where that river leaves can:iota, &lose Its course to where it touches the frontiers of Bosnia : namely, a part of Provincial Croatia, six di.tricii of Military Croatia, Fiume, and lice Hungarian Littorale, Austrian litria, or the district of Casten, the islauds depend ing nn the ceded territories, and all other territories, howso ever named, upon the right hook pf the Save-the middle stream of the said river serviag as the boundary between the two States. " Lastly, the Lordship of Retina:, !yin in the Cranium derland. `• 3. He cries and makes over to his Majesty 'the King of siviony, the territory of Bohemia, depending upon, and in cindrd in the territory of the Kit s :doll, of Saxony: namely, the parishes said villages of (henget, ',Asa', Taubantracke, Ger leciblieim. Leakersdurf, Sehirgiswaid, W Whet, Ike. " 4. lie cedes aid makes over to the King of S irony, to be railed to the Duchy of Warsaw, the whole of Wester ur New Gainers, a district round Cracow, ou the right bank of the Vistula, to be hereafter ascertained, and tlie Circle of swasse, in Casten, tiallicia. " The district rou..d Cracow. upon the right bank of the Instals, shall, in the direction of PoJgorse, have for its ch eauffereoce the dowser from Podgorze to Wielicslia. The hoe of demarkation 44111 pass through Wieliczlea, and to the .westward touch upon Scawiun, and to the mute and upon the !leek, which calk into the V istala at Brzdegy. ~ Wielictka and the whole or use territory of the Salt pits shall belong in common to the Cloperor of Austria and the King of Saxony. Jmtict shall s he adanistered therein is the name of the Municipal Power t there shall be quir tered there only the troops twee sari( for the support et the Notice, and they shall consist of equal isoribews el thilati el • i li.. a A twcaty mile rams was ran yesterday morning, on the Usbrulge Road, between Messrs. Howe and Smith, celebrated runners, which was woo by the former by half a mile. The winner performed the distance iti two hours and twenty-four minutes. Smith was the favourite before starting. Sum, oc...Early yesterday morning ass person in the employ of Mr. Grange, a carpcuter in Port lanit—trmt, was going through the Park, he dis. covered a genteel dressed an lying under a tree, with his bead blown to pieces. An alarM was given, and the body was removed. A terrier dog was sitting by the deceased', whose abode was dis. covered by a collar round the dug's neck. Ile turned nut to be a person of the name of Slibly, who Ind occupied lodgings for some tin.e at Pad. 'riven, and who had been a schoolmaster in Wiltshire. -------- ASMCD6TE.--A fcw evenings since, Mrs. Jou Dam conferred a very generous fa- ?our, which oug:lt to be publicly stated, because it forms a bright contrast to the money.' :king sys km or 4 certain great actress. 11:.rs. J. had - gaged to perform at the Richmond Theatre, for '2Ol. a niAlit. Contrary to the expectation of the Manager, the receipts were not very profitable. On the List night of her performance there was but little more thin 201. in the house. Mrs. J. of (0111'Se, received the awn which she had !Jived for; but the nrct morning seat a letter to Mrs. B. the Manager's wife, inclusing and requested, in the Host polite terms, Mrs. B.'s acceptauce of the enclosed. We do nut recollect to bare hatl. the ple u4iire of recording any similar set of Vitc,"o - by Mrs. Siuuoss. . . . both !Minn.. The Asistrian 'salt from Wielicxkl, in its coa ve3aitee over the ViAttla, Mid thfohjit the Duchy of Ilursaw, shall not be subject to any toll..lanes. Corn of kinds, 1 raised in Austrian Gallicia, may aho -he (tett .) exported across the Vistulu. " Isis Majesty the Emperor of Audria, and his Majesty the King, of Saxony, may fonu soch arramceinent with tegord to these boundaries, as that the Sao, from the point wher• it touches upon the cirrle of, ZAIIII)S4", its cooldurnre n ith the Vistula, shall sear as the line of nem:Lac:Jinn he tbseen botb States. " 5. lie cede, and makes user to his Maie.ty the Emperor of Russia, in the easternmost part of Gallo a tract of ter ritory containing a papuhitiun of 400,1.0) twill-, the city of Br.uli being, nevertheless, out therein Melo led. This terri tory *Shall* anikably ascertained by C ononiaioners on the part of both Empires. " IV. The Teutonic Order having been abo. fished iw the States of the League of thy Rhine, his Majesty the emperor of Austria, in the name of his Imperial Highness the Archduke Alitligny, abdicates the Grand Mastership of that Order in his States, and recognizes the dispositions take it with regard to the property of the Order, locally situated out of the Austrian territory. Pet Lions shall be assigned to those who have been un the civil establishment of the Order. 66 V. The debts funded upon the territory of ! the ceded provinces, and allowed by the States of the said provinces, or accruing from expences in curred for their Administration, shall alone follow thorate of those provinces. 64 vi. The provinces which are to be restored to his Majesty the Emperor of Austria, shall be administered for his behoof by the Austrian con. stituted Authorities, from the day of eichanging the ratification of the present treaty ; and the Im perial domains, wheresover situated, from the Ist of Novemb& next. It is nevertheles understood, that the French, army in this country shall take for their use whatever articles cannot be supplied by their magazines fur the subsistence of the troops and the wants of the hospitals; and also whatever shall be necessary for the conveyance of their sick, and the evacuallun of the magazines. " Au arrangement shall be made between the high contracting parties respecting all war contri butions, of whatever denomination, previously imposed on the Austrian provinces occupied Icy toe Freuch and allied troops; in conscpcnc: of which arrangement the levying of the said contributions shill tease (ru►n the day of the Lich tnze of the Itzsiicatioei. VII. His Majesty the Emperor of the French, King of Italy, engages to give no obstruction "to the Iniportation or exportation of merehandize into and from Austria, by way of the port of Finnic ; this, aievertheless, nut being construct; to inclose.; English goods or manufactnres. l'lre trawit duties on the goods thus imported or exported, shall be lower thaii upon those of all other natiuus, the kingdom of Italy excepted. 66 An inviry shall be instituted, to ascertain whether any advantages can be allowed to the . Austrian trade, in the other ports ceded by this Treaty. " Ill!. The titles of domains, archives, plans and maps of the countries, towns, and fortresses ceded, shall be given up within two mouths after the periva of the Ratification. " IX. his Majesty the Emperor of A ustria,King PAR of Hungary and Bohemia, engages to discharge the On Friday his M yearly interest, arrears, and capitals, invested iss with his Ministers, securities of the Government, States, Bank, Lot- I the evening ; and y , ' tery, or other public establishments, by subjects, diversion of stag.l companies, or corporate bodies in France, the to ;„bi ean . Kingdom of Italy, and the Grand Duchy of i We hear from Berg. -21. t inst. the Prefect " Measures shall also be taken, to completely upon a ll the Mayors liquidate the sum due to Mont St. Theresa, now space of 21 hours, Mont Napoleon, at Milan. and effects whatsoei " X. its Majesty the Emperor of the French late Co.nmandant of engages to procure a full and complete pardon for ordered them to he the itilsabitatitt of the Tyrol and Vorelberg, who VIENNA, OCT. have taken a part its the insurrection ;so that they wor k s ' o f t hi s c i f shall net be prosecuted either in person or pro- I fixed for the 15th, perty. three, was not ca, " His Majesty the Emperor of Austria equally hour yesterday, w engages to grant a full and couipleat pardon to , put any injury to those inhabitants of the territories of Gallicia, of. On the 15th, the which he returns into possession, whether civil or th e imperial Gu a r military, public officers, or private iodividualf, pont, at the Spitz, who hare taken part in the levying of troops, or j i t; but so substao the formation of judicial or municipal administra- war d s o f low ca t iitHIS ;or in any other proceeding whatsoever der- impression opt'', it. log the tsar, which inhabitants shall not.be prose. The Emper.ir N: cuted in their persons or property. tare, made handgun " They shall have permission, during a period Castle of Schoen , of six years, to dispose of their properties, of what- belonging to this ever description they may bc ; to sell their estates, Th e P r i nce of Li, even those that have been considered inalienable, to-morrow, with T such as fitlei commis:a and neljorains ; to leave P eace . the country, and to carry with them the produce The . report of of these sales, in specie, or effects of any other 1 Smyrna, appears description, without paying any duty for the sane, ' telligence has been difficulty or obstruction. or experiencing any g g The seine permission, and for the same pc. riod, shall he reciprocally allowed to the inhabi. tants atid- landholders in the territories ceded by the present treaty. "'The inhabitants -if the Duchy of Warsaw., possessing landed estates in Austrian Gallicia,kvbe. ther politic otliccrs or private individuals, shall enjoy the revenues thereof, without paying any duty thereon, or experiencing any obstruction. " XI. Within six weeks from the exchange of the present 'frcaty, posts shall he erected, to . mark the boundaries of Cr.trow, upon the rig'it hank of the Vistula. Fur this purpose there shall be nominated Austrian, French, and Saxon COM misnomers. " The same measures shall be adopted within the same period upon the frontiers of Upper.Aus.' Irk, Salizbisrgh, Willach ) and Carolula, as far as this Sam. The l'huliceg (stream) of the Saave shall determine what islands of that river shall belong to each power. Fur this purpose Freueb and Austrian Commissaries shall be nome. nated. 46 XII. A military convention shall be forth. with entered into, to regulate the respective periods within which the various provinces restored to his Majesty thp Emperor of Austria shall be evacuated. The said conventino shall be adjuitee ou the basis, that Moravia shall be evacuated C " 11. B. MA it The A reit ~. . The determiliati, of the troops that to Spain, is attribi Russia, and the make common can greater part of the from Germany. stated 'to have filet army io Gallicis, , said to the Minister of the Emperor Alexander, " Your army neither has done what it might, what I had reason to ex. peet, or what was promised." Upon (he different points that were referred to the Emperor of Russia in tlie course of the rogoriations at Altenburgh, he is stated, in almost every instance, to have de. cided in favour of Austria. All persons confined for debts duo to the Crown have breis , refeaq:d by the King's command ; the only eireptioo bring those whirl' were distin guished by peroli,tr circumstances of fraud and violence, an.l io all instances of o.nicial delin quency. On sat u rdzy Vie tip, ;;It's Court in the Bi was occupied by a go:stion, whether the p of the tale Mr. ..Samuel Wyatt *biotic( not over to ae Crown, the parties clairning to titled thereto liai4ng' failed to substantiaL right After a lung iatufnigatiuo, the Cool ' f aded io (mar ui the Crown. --• • a- 1 - -- Borough Ibr Pen)! t bn pai d I be en. Ate their 'oitt de. • • '4 .74 foitrfees •114y1; Ensiga's in rossession triet of Vienna, iii in two Months ; at, territories not ceded coated by The Feetscli Allies, iti.44o mor ptp,iblr, from lie "This Conventi to the evacuation of the French arm Irian troops into ft wench or their Alli that part of Crvati to his Majesty the " XIII. The pri and her Allies from Franco and her Al( leased, shag be gi after the exchange sent Treaty. " XI V. His M French, King of lk of the Rhine, guarai possessions of his Iris, King of Iltiti , in which they shall sent tr.;:t t). " XV. Ills Majesi recognizes all the ale place, or way subsequently Portulal, and Italy " XVI. His MI desirous to co-opera, ritime peace s accedes with respect to Eng!' !lassie, iltir:tig the Imperial Majesty with Great Britain, lish Government, pli shout in previous to XVi I. His French, King of L pneror of Austria, Ki shall olterve, with r cereintotial in mat etiquelte,as before • "XVIII. The Treaty shall he ex, sootier, if possible. " Done and si,; I 181)9. Gigue!) "J. B. " Jolt, " We have ratlfi, Treatt, in AI and contained; &elite fir nett, and estahli shall he maintained " Io confirmation fixed our signature, countersigned and se " Given at our la:portal i rtes • A... . I l I k _ at i t , ti rl a!a ur p A rt of G siria,t it ilci the e i c a w itya tih re• , I n ie deis. - - its one month; Lower Austria r 4 mil the remaking distrirts and ' I led by this Treaty shall be eye. :rich imps, and those of their .5 . X..'; inths and a half, at earlier if ,'.:. - a exchange of the ratifications. tion shall i regulate all that relates of th, , hospitals and magazines i 4 my, and the entrance of the A us. , ( t the territories evacuated by the flies; and also the evacuation of • "01 tin ceded by the present Treaty Emperor of .the French. risuntrs of ear taken by France in Austria, and by Austria from ' . Ili flies, that have nut yet been re. . given up within fourteen days eof the ratifications of the pre. - Majesty the Emperor of the , t. It.ily, Protector of the League ranters the itrviolability of tbo • i nijesty the Emperor of A. 119.. tigary and Bohemia, in the state be, in consi pence of the pre. ... t . . . .1 jesty the Emperor of Austria . 1 ' alterations which have taker, ;illicitly take place in Spain, . . '• 1 1 lejesty the Emperor of Austria, Tate in the restoration of a ma. ales to the prohibitory system ~ 1 'gland, adopted by France and I to present maritime war. His shall break off all intercourse 1 I, and with respect to the Fang. place himself in the siteation be 11 to the present WV'. Majesty the Emperor of the . Italy, and his Majesty the Em. King of Hungary and Bohemia, I respect to each other, the same ird to rank end other points of . e the present war. • e Ratifications of the present exchanged within six days, or e. . .shed at Vienna, October 14, NOMPF.R F. DE CFIAMPAONY. • IN Prince of LICIITE.NSTEIN." tied, and hereby rarity the above il every of the articles therein . 1 e the sante to be adopted, coo.. lished ; and engage that the same 1 intl., loble. i on whereof *e hare hereto if. re, with our own hand, being 1 ' settled with our Imperial Meal, trial Camp at Sehoetshrunn, Oetoberls, .. , (Signed) " NAPOLEON. I . 4 By the Emperor, '3NY, Minister for Foreign Affairs. RM . , Minister Secretariat State. • Certified by as,_ ' wutStase i RUGENt NAPOLEON." ..-- ' --- . i . RIS, ()erotica 59. 1 11ajesty held a Cabinet Council rs, which lasted until eight in - x -- yesterday his Majesty touir the .bunting in the forest of Fun. i Aix-la.Chapelle, that on the oat lain ld a Proclamation, calling ors to deliver to him, within the A. . s, an account of all the property ever belonging to Gen. Monnet, of Flushing, his Majesty having to put under sequestration. '. 17.—The destruction of the Ay, by gunpowder, which was ' I , between the hours of two and rried into effect until the same when it was accomplishe. with. i the city or inhabitants. . he French artillery, and that of . irds, played upon the fete-du- t, for the purpose of demolishing litially has it been built, that up- N ‘ ninon and hoeitzer.shot made no it. if Napoleon, previous to his depar. 1 . ome presents to the Captain of the ibrunn, ancj every other person capital who were its his service. . . ,ielitenstein is expected to return s , the ratification of the Treaty of . , the plague having broken out at . i 1 to be unfounduti. Nu such in., e received here or in Hungary. . .. , titan of Bonamte not to se n d an y i . 1 , it were employed on the Danube buted by some to his jealousy of . .. • c appr.:lteil4;on that she would :ause with Austria, in case rho I i IC French army were withdrawn , i At a full levee, Bonaparte is 1 arced the conduct of the Russian . ' , and to have said to the Minister {t r, 1