The Statesman. — London, England, 1821-07-02 00:00:00

qr r' N. • • - - THE STA FESMAN. seed myself, that a new scene of splendid grandeur would have been presented to its in the return of the pro evasion from the reflection of the lights, &c. and had therefore posted back to the ball with all possible expe dition; but not even the brilliancy of the ladies jewels, or the greater lustre of their eyes, had the power to ren tier our darkness risible. The whole was confusion, ir regularity, and disorder. However, we were afterwards amply recompensed fur this partial eclipse, by the bright picture, which the I I , gliting of the chandeliers presented to us. Your on lucky lawsuit has made you too well acquainted with ! Westminster Hall for me to think of describing it to you; lett i assure yon, the face of it was greatly altered from what it was, when you attended to hear the verdict given against yon. Instead of the enclosures for the courts of Chancery and King's Bench, at the upper end, which here both removed, a platform was raised, with several ascents of steps, where their majesty's in their chairs of s ate, and the royal family, sat at table. On each side, , down the whole length td` the hall, the rest of the com pany were seated at long tables, in the middle of which , were placed on elevations painted to represent marble, the deserts, &c. Conceive to yourself, if you can con. oeive what I own I am at a loss to describe, so magnifi cent a building as that of Westminster Hall, lighted up with near three thousand wax candles in most splendid branches, our crowned heads, and almost the whole no bility, with the prime of our gentry, most superbly ar rayed, and adorned with a profusion of the must brilliant jewels, the galleries on every side crowded with com pany for the most part elegantly and richly drest,—but ro conceive it in all its lustre, I am conscious that it is absolutely necessary one must have been present. To proceed in my narration—Their majesty's table was served with, three courses, at the first of which Earl Talbot, as steward of his majesty's household, rode up from the hall gate to the steps leading to where their majesties sat, and on Isis returning the spectators were presented with an unexpected sight in his lordship's backing leis horse, that lie might keep his face still to wards the king. A loud slapping and huzzaing conse- onently ensued from the people present. The ceremony of the champion, you may remember we laught at, at its presentation last winter ; but I assure you, it had a ! s-ry serious titers on those ladies who were near him (((( telt his horse was very gentle) as he came up. ae compaitied by Lord Effingham as earl marshal, and the duke of Bedford as lord high constable, likewise on horseback. It is needless to repeat what passed on this occasion, as you have hail it recounted, with the form of the challenge, the throwing of the gauntlet, and all other circtunstances, in your Lomit. Magazine of An em, last, p. 39V, to which 1 beg leave to refer you, if you have forgot the particulars, or have any curiosity to he informed adieus afresh. 1 an, told, that the horse s' Melo the champion rude, was the saute that his late 10:.je , tv was mounted on at the glorious and memorable battle of The lor:Ist, at well as the rider, had his head adorned with a phone of white, red, and blue feathers. You cannot expect that I should give you a bill o f fare, or enumerate the dishes that were pros ides, and sent from the adjacent temporary kitcloeno, erected in Catton-liarslen for this purpose. No less than sixty haunches of venison, with a surprising quantity of all sorts of game, were laid in for this grand feast ; but that which chiefly attracted our eyes, was their Nlajesties desert, in which the confectioner had lavished all his in genuity in rock-nork and emblem:lois-al figure , . The other asserts Were no less admirable bor their expressive &vireo. But I must nut forget to tell you, that when the company came to be seated, the p.sor knight, of the Bath had beets overlooked, and no tattle pro% idea for thens. An airy apology, however, uas served up to them i-istead of a substantial dinner; but the two junior knights, in order to preserve their ranks of precedency to their successors, were placed at the head of the judges table above all the learned brethren of the coil. The peers were placed on the outermost side of the tables, c-ed the peeresses within, nearest to the walls. You can rat suppose that there w.ts the greatest order imaginable o'.served during the dinner, but must conchole,that some of the company w ere as eager and impatient to satisfy t';:e craving of their appetites, as any of your country squires at a race or assize ordinary. It was pleasant to see the various stratagems made use of by the company in the galleries to come in for a snack of the good things below. The ladies clubbed their handkerchiefs to be tied together to draw up a chicken, or a bottle of wine; nay, even garters (1 will not say 01 a different sex) were united for the same purpose. !come 1.0 been so provident as to bring baskets with them, t. Melt were let down, like the prisoners boxes at Ludgate o- the °ate-house, wills a Pray renumber the l'uor. Vim will think it high time, that 1 should bring this long letter to a conclusion. Let it suffice then to ac to: out you, that their majessies returned to St. James's. tittle after ten o'clock at night but they were pleased r.o give time for the peeresses to go first, that they might roc he incommoded by the pressure of the mob to see t':eir majesties. After the nobility were departed, the illustrious int,bility were (according to custom) admitted ic-o the hall, which they presently cleared of all the escreables, such as the victuals, cloths, plates, dishes, & c . ar I in short, every thing that could stick to their 'hovers. I need not tell you, that set eral coronation medals. in s;ltsr, were thrown among the popular.. at the return of tt.e procession. One of them was pitched in Mrs. Dixon's lap. as she sat upon a scaffold in Palace-yard. Some of gold w ere also thrown among the peeresses in the al,- bey. lust after the king was crowned ; but they thought is below their dignity to stoop to pick them up. My wife thesis es tier compliments to yon; site was pleased with the stela. All friends are well, escept that little Nancy Green has got a swelled face, I - y beiug up all night; and Torn Moffat has his leg laid IT on a *tool, on account of a broken shin, which he got by a kick front a trooper's hoots, as a reward of his mobbing it. I shall say nothing sit the illuminations at eight: the newspapers must have told you of them. and that the Admiralty, in particular, was remarkably light ed np. I expect to have front you an account of the re joicings at your little town ; and desire to know whe ther von was able to get a slice of the ox, which was roasted whole on this occasion.-1 ass, dear Sir, Your's most heartily, JASIES Ilemist:. P. S. The princess Dowager of Wales, with the yo•Joiger brauches of the royal fatuity, did not walk in the grand procession, but made up a lesser procession of their own ; of which you will find a sufficient ae rostat i n the public prints. They bad a box to see the coronation in the abbey, and afterwards dined in an apartment by themselves adjoining to the ball. Since my writing the above, I have been informed for certain, thud the sword of state, by some mistake, be irg left behind at St. James'!‘ the Lora !lapses sword was Cat tirii before the King by l'the Earl of Huntingdon, iu its stead : but when the procession came into tlte Abbey, the sword of state was found placed upon the altar. Our friend Harry, who was upon the scaffold, at the return of the procession, closed in with the rear; at the expense of half a guinea was admitted into the ball ; got brim full of his Majesty's claret: and in the universal plunder, brought off the glass her Majesty drank in, which is placed iii the beaufet as a valuable curiosity. St. Joiner': Chronicle, September. 1761. POPULATION RKTL'RNS. A I.VIERTRORPIL—MaIes 2227, females 2221 ; total 4113 ; increase 692. PA NNA L. ?SCAR HARRORATL—MaIes 696, females 618 ; tau! 1314 ; increase 904. including Sculcootes.—Males 17,304, females 20,8.37; total 98,141; increase 6,197. lill'Eltl4l, P.IIILMAIENI'. HOUSE OF COMMONS.—SkrenbAr, illgt 30. The SPEAKER took the Chair at four o'clock, the House was rather thinly attended. The Acetons Acid, and Draining Tiles Bill, the Hops Exportation Drawback Bill, the Isle of Man Trade Bill. the Stork Cancelling Bill, and the Silk Bontities (Ireland) Bill, were severally read a third time and passed. The Excheqner Bills Public Woks Bill was cow mittell.—lteport on Monday. DUKE OF CI.‘RENCE AND TUE CORONATION. On bringing up the Report ofthe Duke of Clarence's Annuity Bill. _ _ Sir RONALD FLr..•USON rose and said, he would give his decided negative to thit part of the Bill which granted to the Royal Duke Its,IHNI!. arrears. It was contrary to every principle of propriety, as it affected Parliament, and of justice bawleds the people, and he would oppose such a rote to the last with determined hostility. Ile Own said, "while upon my legs, I wish to ask the Noble Lord in the Moe riband (Londonderry) as a day is fined for the Coronation, whether it is intend ed that her Majesty shall he crowned or not ?" The Marquess of ICINDOM/ERRY.—" I can only inform the honourable Member that her Majesty has claimed a right of brio. , crowned, and has made appli cation to that effect. .1s to my own opinion, it always was, that the Queen Consort has no such right, and that it is not the privilege of her station, hut as a matter of' favoru, emanating from the regal discretion of the Crown, and certainly, in that point of view, the advice of Ministers would not be that her Majesty should par ticipate in the ceremony." Sir R. I•TRIIL'St I ask the Noble Lord when that application of right was male ?" The Marquess of LONDONDERRY.--" few • days ago.•' Sir RONALD FERGI'SON.—" Can the Noble Lord inform sue whether her Majesty's Counsel, or the legal advisers of the Crown, have been consulted on the oc casion ?" The Nlarques‘ of IA /NDONDr.ItRY.—" I do not ap prebend that I %it here to ;lower every question which any Ilonourahle Member pleas• to put to me.''—(Near, hear, from the Ministerial Benches.) 31r. DEN3IAN—t` I apprehend the Noble Lord sits here as a Member of Parliament, thostuls elsewhere he may be a Privy Counsellor. and, in my oisisaism, he is bound to give an answer touching matters of State, at least those affecting the regal power like the pre• sent one. I can, however, inform the lion. Member who has pot the question and the (louse, that to the application from her 31aIrsty on 31.tuday, the only an swer receiied was, that the law Officers of the Crown would be consulted lint I always regarded the omis sion of the Queen's name in the Liturgy as the virtual declaration of Ministers, that her Majesty was not to be er naned, and I am surprised that the same persons who 4.1% 'lied that treasure, should now feel it neces sary to consult :spy further on the sobject,--(llear, hear.)—instead of having a decided opinion, on which they ought to be prepared to act. The answer proves, that there is a deg re- of hesitation in rousing to a de cision, and whethe- that hesitation arises front doubts entertained by the Law Officers or Ministers themselves, it establishes in itself a chant on the part of her Ma jesty to br heard before the Privy Council, by the as serters of her legal rights. It is very strange, that from 3lunday to Saturday no definite answer has been returned. What ran occasion this hesitation now, if. when Ministers advised that the Queen's name sl bl be left out of the Liturgy, they were convinced of th.• just grounds and propriety of taking a step which might have the Mfect of excluding her from the Coro nation ? This delay, ho lever, I repent, is a sufficient cause ivlsv there shoild be no decision until her la jesty shall hare been allowed an opportsinity of stip porting her claim before that tribunal where she pras to he heard—a tribunal which, however, she cannat approach nith the saute confidence as she would have dune hail it not p einsioul her case on a former oeca sion."—( Hear, hear.) The Marquess of CONDONDERRY—" I am sur• I ised that the Hot'. and Learned lientleman should as-anne that I had ever given any opinion as to the claim of right, when I distinctly stated, that I gave no opinion as to the legal claim ; I stated also, that as an application had been made advancing a legal right, that claim should undergo a legal investigation ; butt I repeat, that I gave no , as to the result ; what I did say was, that I understooi the privilege claimed to be a matter of discretion, inherent in the Crown, I and as a matter of regal discretion the Crown could not be advised that her Majesty should participate; and now, allow me to say, it appears very singular that the legal advisers of her l.ljesty should not have pre- I stinted this claim sooner ; the point had been mooted' in Parliament two months ago, when I stated what I hair just explained, as to the advice respecting the refusal of the claim a , a matter of discretion. Did her Majesty's legal advisers then not know how to act or why have they stood still and declined this claim until the very eve of the Coronation, — (Rear, hear)—at which moment they start a claim of right which they never mentioned before ? Was it because they saw a disposition manifested on the other side of the Douse to complain of the Coronation, and to treat with disrespect every thing belonging to it, that they now set up this right for the first time ? (Hear, Bear.) -1f they knew of this legal right, why not urge it before? or was it only a pretest for bring ing the Coroaation into hatred and contempt 1. - - (Dear, hear.) Mr. DENMAN—" So far am I from feeling any re proach from what has fallen from the Noble bird, that it appears to me her Majesty's legal advisers would have acted improperly, had they brought the claim forward until, from all appearances, it was quite certain that the Coronation was to take place; I allow the de lay had been considerable, but was not the Coronation talked of last year, and yet did not occur ? Prepara tions were then making, which it was doubtful whether they were to serve for the honour of the King or the degradation of his Royal Wife.—(Hear, bear.) Such preparations therefore gave no assurance that the Co ronation was ever to take place. The Noble Lord mat• differ from me, but I feel that we were not bound to advise this step until her Majesty was satisfied that the Coronation would take place at no distant period, but I do conceive that we have some right to complain of this delay on the part of the Noble Lord and his' colleagues, in not having given a definitive answer to her Majesty's application, as their minds ought to have been made up before now, and therefore the charge of unnecessary delay upon them, and not on her Majesty's legal advisers. 'I bey should have been able to have given an opinion at once, as to what part her Majesty was to act, and it ought nut to be now a matter of de. 'iberation whether she was to partitipate or not in that ceremony, according to the right which she derived from the enstom of the country, and which had been re cognised by Act of Parliament. The ceremony is ie itself a pageant, but the ancient custom of the country made it solemn, and granted to the Queen Consort a participation in the rites belonging to the accession to the Throne; I cannot therefore see why Ministers should not have been prepared with a speedy and deci sive answer as soon as the claim was made, and I con tend that the delay itself is proof enough that her Ma jestys's legal defenders ought to be heard before the Council, previous to any decision now taking place, which might have the effect of excluding her." The Marquess 411 LONDONDERRY—" An answer was given long ago to the claim as a matter of dis cretioi.',,lt was not then brought forward in a legal shape. but ' now as a claim of right had been set .np, it must go through the ordinary course of legal iniestigation.—(llear, bear.) 1 cannot avoid observ ing, that while the Honourable and Learned Gentle man insists so much upon facility in giving answers in the Ministers e of the Crown, I see nothing of that faci lity in his own conduct, nor can I tell why his vigi lance has slept so long, as to allow an interval o f many days between :he official notification of the Co ronation, and the setting up of this claim of right. (Other applications had been of a different natnre, and there really does appear to me to be something of mystery. if not of i etentiott, in delaying to bring for ward this claim before."—(flear, hear.) Mr. seARLErr—" The Noble Lord may be very cr.rrect in not atlinittimg• that he ever gave any opinion on the legal claim, but I don't think it quite fair in him to speculate as to the ci!cuitistances which may bare occasioned that claim not to have been presented before; I need not remind the House that the law's delay is proverbial. And in this case I do not see why it shoald be taken in a sense injurious to the legal lieutlemen employed her Majesty chooses to take any step of this nature, she gives directions to her legal advisers, an•l they arc hound to give their counsel awl assistance, but I apprehend they can mi.. I ginate no measures theliselves. 1 understand some i case has 'wen before the Law Officers of the Crown, and I o ish to a , l, whether the Queen has ap plied to be heard before the Council ? I have not attended much to the subject of the legal claim, but 1 have heard it said that there were only two instances where the privilege was not enjoyed—(a Member said " only one.")-1 am aware that there is in reality bat one instance, and it is a vulgar error to sup pose that the wife of Henry the Vllth., was not crowned ; on account of the peculiar circumstances in which he was placed, that King hastened his own Coronation before the marriage, lint after the marriage his wife was crowned. In the case of Ilenrietta-Maria, she was a Catholic, and the original Proclamatiou, in deed, stated that she was to lie crowned. Before the Coronation, however, a t liatige took place, on account of the difficulties relative to the religions ceremony, as it was dangerous for the responsible advisers of the Crows to advise that the ceremony should be performed by Po pish Priests, who just at that time were not in good odor. She was, however, present at the ceremonies, though not crowned ; and that she was not, was occa sioned by the Parliament, and not by the will of the King.—(hear. hear.)—lf this was the only case, I con sider it a matter c f grave consideration, how far it can bear on the present question, and whether the Coro nat• of the King ought to take place in such a way as to exclude the Quern Consort (roma participation in the ceremonc, which she claimed as a matter of custom and of Luc.''- . ---(llear, hear.) The 31arquess of IA INDONDERIIV.—" I look *spots this as too ,crave and important a question for discussion in this incidental manner.—(f fear, hear,)—The subject is before the Privy Council, and 1 cannot give any ex planation of the proceedings there, without violating my duty as a Privy Councillor. Mr. BERNAL, adverting to the question now before the House, declared his objection to granting the arrears to his Royal Highness. Mr. 3IARTI N supported the grant ; he considered the House plealge,l by its former vote. After some observations from other Members, Mr. SCARLEFT r.-marked, that this grant was made without any special recommendation from the Crown, which was customary in such cases. Too Parliaments ago, or certainly in the Parliament before the last, a similar application was made to the House, but then it was accompanied by a reco mmendation from the Throne, and it is worthy of remarking. that it was in the late reign. The Noble Lord could set him right if he was Ilikt iken. The Marquess of LONDONDERRY said the lion. and Learned Member was not in his place when the application was made, or he would have known that intimation was given that the Royal acknowledgments would he made in the proper stage of the Bill. In 1,14, .10,0010. was voted to her present Majesty, upon a similar reconimendation. On that occasion it was notified to the House, that the Royal approbation would be signified in the swats] stage. Mr. SCA KLETT asked, was Ise to understand that there was in that instance no Royal Message The Marquess of LONDONDERRY repeated his former statement. Mr. DENMAN said, his Hon. and Learned Friend had expressed the same doubt on this subject as he had himself befo .e expressed. If the observation of the Noble Lord on that solitary precedent which he cited WAS worth any thing, it would go the length of caus ing them to dispense with a Royal Message in every case of this kind. lie now took this opportunity of saying, in any debates which affected her Majesty, the part which he took was altogether as a Member of Parliament, for in the situation in which he stood to that illustrious Person, he knew nothing could be more liable to her dis ipprobation, than that her legal ad visers should make themselves parties to any discussion particularly affecting her Majesty. lie would now state distinctly what was in progress as to the import. ant subject of her claims, as this was not a negotiation and therefore dill not require secresy.—(Hear. hear.) He understood her !ajesty had presented a nie-! morial to the King in Council on Monday, not proving to be heard, because she expressed no doubt on the right, hot praying to be crowned. Lord Hood saw Lord Sidniouth relative to it, and an answer was pro mised to be returned on Thursday, but no simmer was given further than what he had stated, and in conse quence a memorial was that morning presented from her Majesty, praying to he heard by her Counsel before the Privy Council. In this state of the case lie wished to abstain from any discussion on the subject, but he could not help saying that it was not respectful or courteous to the Queen, to allow her Majesty's appli cation to remain so long without an answer, and (we a. I • Inderstood him to say) that two letters which hail lie.p tddressed relation to the former applications were nq4 attended to. He did not complain of the Law'ethee f . •if the Crown on account of the Ilelay, hit he com plained of Ministers nut being able to give an opinion, is he had a right to assume that they ought to have been prepared with an answer ; after the opinion ex pressed by the Noble Lord on the subject two months before.—(licar ) The Marq. of LONDONDERRY found it necessary again to repeat that thatopiniun related to the 'lunation ' as a matter of discretion ; but when a grave applica tion was made by a legal claim, it ought to undergo grave and l°gal delib..rations.--(llear.) The Reran was then received, and the Bill ordered to be read a third time on Monday. The batteries Bill was committed, and the Report ordered to be receives! on Monday next. On the House going into a Committee Oh the Appro priation Bill, Colonel DAVIES wished to know what the expenses of the Coronation were likely to be ? 1011,000!. ha been voted for that purpose last year, bat, looking to the preparations that were making, that suns would 'sot cover one-tifth of the expense. The country ought not to be put to so enormous a charge for this vain and idle pageant. The Coronation tobes were understoesl to cost 30,000 L and there was 9.0001. for the hire of an extra crown. All this would nut tend to make his Majesty snore a king than he was at present. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER Lally that in addition to the 100,0001. voted last year, a. vote of money, but not to any considerable extort, iv lila be necessary, to meet wale unforeseen expenses. Sir M. CHOLMELEY (as we understood) was of opinion that the additional sum might be raised by voluntary contribution. Mr. SCARLETT understood that five and six gui neas were demanded for seats. If a portion of the proceeds were handed over to the Treasury, the ex pense of the Coronation might be delsayed by those who had the benefit of s.eine; it. The Bill then went through the Committee.--Report on Monday. The report of the Metropolis Police Bill was agreed to, after a fe►►• ►cords fron► Mr. licnN A 1., who suggested the propriety of enlarging the salaries of Police Officers. awl making provision fu. surl► as were super annuated or wountleil.—Third reading on Monday. The report of the Captured Mares Bill was agreed to.—Third reading on Monday. The report of the Audit of Accounts Bill was agreed to, Mr. Maur:tits having previously introduced a clause, provi.liug that all account of the actual Fur phis or deficiency of the revenue, as compared with tlae expenditure, should be annually made out.—Thirsi reading on Monday. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCIIF.QUER gate notice, that he would, on Momlay, move an adddreas to his Majesty fur the usual remuneration for that °dicers of both (louses of Parliament.—Adjoerned. PRICE OF STOCKS TIII! Rank Stock 3 per Cent. Red. NI; Sper taut. Con. 3i per Cent. 4 per Cents. 94i U 3 per CI. Nat) (shut) toper Cent. I o•g Ann IA 1-114 Imp. 3 prr Cent. Irish inn. DAY AT ON} O'CLOCK. India Stork Ditto Bonds —s. bls Ms. pm South-lira Stock South Sea Old Ann. Billatd.las.pm parls.4l;s. Omnium for Money pm Bank for Account India for ditto Con. for Acct 7741 Lott. Tickets 211. 194. WWI W*l FA AT Lll,llOOll-11RIDGE TO-1101lR0W. 31orniag 30 m. after 3 ;—Evening 14 m. after 4. et t Sotattihstan. " Till 11111115111 STATFINI IN II INCORPORATED WIT/ " ITATRIMAX." LONDON: MONDAY EVLNING, Jui.v 2, 1821. THE CORONATION. The Marqness of Los ooN DERRY was interrogated ite his place in the House of Commons on Saturday by Sir IL Ireuoussos, respecting the course intended to be; takes with regard to her MAJESTY on the approaching Coro nation. His Lordship stated that the QUEEN, on Monday last, delivered in a formal claim to the Privy Council, demanding, as aright, to he crowned with his MAJesTt. That, although the Ministry hall no doubt upon the sub ject, they had referred the formal claim to the conside ration of the Law I /fficers of the Crown, who had nut yet delivered their opinion. His Lordship added, tient if that opinion should be against her MAJESTY'S Claim, and should consequently leave the subject in the discre tion of the King, his Majesty would he advised by his Ministers not to allow her :tlajesty to he a participa for in the Coronation. Mr. DeNmAs demanded that her MAJesry should be beard by her legal defenders bet we the Privy Council, in support of the Claim and 34r. SEARLETT desired to know whether this would 1 e COW. plied with ? but the %Nom declared he was forbidelew by his oath to disclose the intentions of the Council and thus this important question rests at present. [FROM THE CANA DIA:V ONIA:VT, MAT 12.] We understand that a canoe sets out this day, oa a message to the North-west and Hudson Bay Company, to announce the connection which has been formed between them and their future aprella•ion of " the Hen. Hudson's Bay Company." This is, indeed, a " hlrs sage of Peace" to carry pacific intelligence to contend ing parties, and dispel that discord which has bithatto existed amongst them, blending their interests and exertions Into one channel, and promoting among or ponents friendship. Our harbour at present exhibits a lively scene, compared to the (Leary dullness which we had endured for a long time, in expectation of the opening of the river. The departure and entering of steam boats gives it the air of mercantile activity. Paris papers to the 29th ult. which have hand, state some interesting proceedings which place in the French Chamber of Deputies in disct the Budget. In the sitting of the 27th nit, during the debates on toting the Supplies for Navy, Messrs. Benjamin Constant and Manuel i diced the subject of the Slave Trade, and appeali what had taken place in the British Parliament, pliined that the French laws were insalncient toi ling and the mimed cause, cellenc tinues evitlen, Deputi Five 85f. 50, 1,511 f. Frog] some d the Sry shew th the inn miler cl A mbass esti mate squadra Pelopor at the t fleet slat siege T Candi a Cycladt siderabl and ins islands bring tl on_jm rem t Collye 1 eta p But tb one of ever di took p 1 furious that tb Estelle The M Seri, Hi rued i 14. - a 'WM • r