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The House then Adjourned during pleasure. A few minutes before live the House remised. FOREIGN TRADE. Lord GRANVILLE presented a Petition from Bute• lemand certain Potteries in the County of Staiford, praying the removal of the Restrictions on Foreign rrade. The Marquis of LANSDOWNE frae• notice, that Ite should take an early opportunity of asetiez for mho Test. cal of the Committee on Foreign Trade. He wished also -Wee 1116 Majesty's Ministers, Whethee they pro . pcsed to tonshfer thefitlweSsion which had occurred in the Timber Traile. The Committee s appointed last year, was (role empowered to cake a general enquiry into the sob jeci,r and he had no doubt that the House would feel the necessity of entering into a due investigation of the state of so important a branch of trade, daring the present Session. The Earl of LIVERPOOL entirely agreed in the prin ciple kid. flown by the Noble Marquis, that it was essen tial that the question should be discussed during the present Stssion. Some fluctuations had appeared in the system on *hick that trade was established, and the system itself was not one which could be entirely ap proved of. The Committee appointed by that House hail felt the necessity of obtaining farther information before it could proceed, and the delay which bad occurred in obtaining any result was to be attributed to that circum stance, as well as to the shortness of the last Session, hieh had prevented that information from being ob tained. When the Noble Marquis should make his mo then, he (Lord L.) would be ready to answer any ques tion which might,be pit, and to communicate all time in formation of which his Majesty's Government were in possession on the subject. The 11arritsie of LANSDOWNE adverted to the 54th and 54ith of the late Kings as Acts which did not clearly ttetine the manner in width the duties on the various ar ticles in the Timber Trade ought to be imposed and-to be paid. So much doubt, in fact, existed upon the sub j..et, that it was necessary some alteration should be wade, awl that the liability to duty should be clearly espialned.—The Petition was then read and laid on the I. FOREIGN POWER*. The Earl of N.ble Karl op posite had, on a former occasion, 'Misled to a pepit re speedo, the state of Europe, adds seed by the allied Powers to certain ltarepeaa tievateseesta. That Noble b-arl bad alas pat several gumless as the NAM% to which be , (ldoril 11.. had eadeareared to server to the bed of his _Ate he (Level it h e ld tWI stated' riattlietbi which had seat by his Majesty's Uoverument to foreiga Powers, which would explain the policy adopted by this country in conse quence of the transactions in the south of Italri and that he should have no objection to lay that paper before the House. In pursuance of this declaration, he should Thor move Oat an bumble address be presented to his Majesty, praying that hr would be pleased to order that copy of certain communications made to foreign Powers, and dated Foreign-Office, 19th July, 1820, be laid before the House. The question having been put, F.arl t:11F.I . was understood to inquire, whether the Noble Earl would have any objection to lay before the Huns,. the Declaration issued by the stllied Powers, to which the document now moved for was an answer? The Earl of LIVERPOOL stated, that he should have no objection whatever to produce the declaration allmled to, if it had been offieiallv communicated to his Blaje‘ty's Government. As it had not been received in an official manner, it would be quite itregular for him to move that it be laid before the House. Its Robstance, however, would be found in the document now prayed fur, as it 11AS an answer to the paper in ytestiou. The motion was then agreed to. The Doke of DEVONSHIRE presented a Petition from the B oroug h o f Draw, whirl, his Orace stated to be onrorrooply signed, proving that no farther measures be n'l"pted ;wins: the Queen, and that she should be put in ro.‘rioinn of all her rights.—Read, and laid on the table.—Adjourned. 110CSF. OF CONIMONS.—WENXiSDAT, JAN. SI. WATER COMPANIES. Mt. FREE)IANTLE gave notice of his intention, on Tuesday next, to move for a Committee of 'he whole " 41 "1 to take into consideration the supply of water to the Metropolis. Mr. DUNI/AS presented Petitions from Richmond, in York, and other place. in the same County, praying for the restoration of the Queen's name to the Liturgy.— t;rdered to be printed. Mr. CHALLONER presented a similar Petition from the City of York.—Ordereil to be printed. LAMBTON presented a petition from the Nobi lity, lientry, and Freeholders of the County of Durham, with 3409 signatures, praying an inquiry into the Milan 4 'onimitsion, and also for the restoration of the Queen's name to the LitiirTy.—Ordered to be printed. Mr. tt3l3llNti rose to present a Petition from a body of iudivi4u ils calling themselves a Lodge of Odd Fel lows, in Stot:anil. The Hon. Dentleinan read a few ex tracts from the Petition, alluding to the Proceedings against the t g eeen, null praying for the Restoration of her name to the Liturgy, and moved that the Petition be bronght up. The SPEAKER begged to draw the attention of the Boone to the circumstance of this Petition having been withdrawn on a former occasion, when it was presented. It was tor the House to consider whether it was proper to admit a petition which professed itself to come from al orporate Doily which was not recognized by . the Law, led which, by its being admitted in the present instance, tnizlit heroine the precedent for the establishment of a Principle which might be extremely iaconveniest here. after. Ile merely threw out this suggestion for the consideration of the House, as a favorable opportunity for determining a question of this nature. He did not mean to cast any reflection on the petitioners; eln the „ contrary, he tl;unirlit a less objectionable bedr_cou'u let, in th e i r corporate capacity, petition that house: het it must be obvious to the Has,. that if they on die Present occasion recoirnized the 104 ,_acipk, the senutr *as Societies existin g in dWiereat parts of the kinildoes. is ex erc i s i ng the same right of addressing the "les 'mien excite very unpleasant twasatioas. la the sister emintry, for Instance, there were Orange Associatlito. W hite•bays i Peep-of day-boys, la. which could all claim an equal right to be recognized by that Home, should the present Petition be received. He did not wish to give unnecessary tumble to As LIP. Member who presented the Petition ; but as the alteration could be so easily made by making it the Petition of the un dersigned • individuals, the rejection of the Petition in its present shape conld cause but little inconve nience. Sir JOHN NEWPORT was decidedly against the Moose receiving the Petition in its present form; he thought the admission of such a Petition would be pro ductive of the most calamitous conseqnences, Sir WM. HE CRESPICINY was also against tile Pe tition being received. Mr. CALCRA FT thought the alteration suggested by the Chair could be so easily made, that be awe beaded the Hen. tlentlecoen who presented the Rerithp could have no objection to withdraw it. Ala flume& every one must concur IN what lied faiimalltem the Chair ea tie sablest,_ -- • ie. Mr.itEP IC OMRY thought the subject worthy of .411itteire consideration, as its determination might he the means of abridging the right of Petition. It appeared to him that this was merely a Petition from, private in dividuals who stated themselves to belong to a certain Society. He did not wish to deprecate any sentiment or opinion which had the sanction of the Chair, bet he really thought they ought not to decide hastily on this question. The SPEAKER observed, that the suggertion he had made to the House was nut to decide the qnestioo. He Merely called the attention of the House to the diG culty of the case, and therefore suggested the propriety of sanctioning the alteration he had recommended to the Hoo. Member who presented the Petition, rather than involve the douse prematurely in those inconveniences which he had indicated as the probable consequences of receiving the Petition io its present shape. Mr. DP.III.IN ebserved *post the secoprenience of sending back a Petition to a remote part dile kingdom fur the mime of being re•modelied, iletios which time the measure against whichit petitioned might be passed, and thus the object of the Petitioners he defeated. He felt personally interested in the decision of the House on this question, as he hail himself a Petition to present under precisely similar circumstances. The question was then put, that the pititien be brought up, which was decided in the affirmative. The I petition was accordingly read, and ordered to be printed floe petition purported to be from the officers, bearers, and members of the Lodge of Odd Fellows of Inveruess and inverkeithing, in Scotland, and prayed flee Honer of Commons to evert its iuduence to procure the Testers lion of the Queen's name to the Littory, and of all her rights and dieniries. Mr. WYVI CL presented a petition front the City of York in favour of Parliamentary Reform. The Hon. liebtleinan expressed his eat* concurrence with site sentiments of the petiro*, aml Ms hope that the anhjeCt would receive that ample consideration mi Lich its import ance drnsandrol. Mr. NORM/ILSE took this opportunity to ask at w period the Hon. Member fur Durham/I Forward hits motion oa tie airy itelbrim, which he had bems-Ataduced to palms* last Session, with a promise not to onilt it in this? Mr. LAMIITI ON said, that for thesaine reason which had induced him to postpone the same motion last year, he should now beg to postpone bringing it forward till Tuesday, the lUtli of :April, when the whole question, with respect to her Majesty, would, without doubt, be disposed of, so as to leave the House in that state of tran quillity which would enable them to give their uoiliyided attention to this important subject. Mr. MIENFELL begged to trouble the House with a few words n ith refegeore to the notit e just given by the Hon. Member for Durham Ce had, during the ten years he had had the honour of sitting in that House, uniformly and conscientionsly opposed every motion fur Parliamentary Reform of an undefined nature. Ile hail acted thus, because he never could consent to endanger that Constitution m bids appeared to him to contain the elements of all that could contribute to make people great and happy, without some one specific plan being pointed out in exchange for the present system. He had always, till lately, observed, that on all great questions of public policy, that House had acted nit!' a due con sideration to the opinions of the nation at large. But be must confess, and with pain be said it, that after the vote which the House came to on Saturday morning last. the principles and opinions on which he bad acted with respect to Parliamentary Reform, had undergone • great change. If ever there was a subject on which the public opinion had expressed itself intelligibly, it was on that subject ; and he considered that the House had come to a vote in direct opposition to the feelings and opinions of the nation. Ile was convinced that some lientleman would, before the Session passed away, come forward and propose some general Hintleraie system of Parliamentary Reform, which a moderate man, like himself, might assent to ; and he should therefore, rest contented with the notice of the Hon. Member for Durham. _ _ _ _ Mr. PHILLIPS thought that the necessity of some change in the constitution of that house had become necessary; and unless some attempts were made to re present the people of England more effectually, and abridge the enormous power of the Frown, the conse quences would he disastrous to the country. Mr. S. WORTLEY was convinced, that so far from the vote which that House came to on Saturday morn ing being in contravention to the wishes of the nation at large it was in perfect unison with the opinions and wishes of the great majority of the people of this coun try-(Hear, hear, from the Opposition.) He was con vin that he was not mistaken. Ile N as aware of the deep feeling which existed on the subject • fur he parti cipated in it himself ; but if lie were asked what were the real wishes of the people with respect to it, he should say that it was the wish of nineteen twentieths of the whole population, that the matter he set at rest for ever, without any further persecution of the Queen. —(Hear, hear). Ilut at the sometime taking care that the Qneen should have no triumph over any other party. That was the real sense of the country ; but there was another interpretation to be given to the Gentlemen who voted for the motion of the:Coble Lord opposite (Lord A. Hamilton) the other morning. It became necessary to consider with what intention that motion was made, and W ith what view supported. It was done with a view of getting out the present Ministers and putting others in their places. Now, he was sure none others were wanted be the nation, and Gentlemen oppo site would net deny that the nation had no confidence in them. He was willing to allow that Ministers had sofferethnockin the late proceedings, yet not enough to inspire confidence in the Gentlemen opposite.— (Hear, hear.) Mr. DARING was surprised to observe the Noble Lord opposite (Lord Castlereagh) cheer the sentiments of the Hoe. Member; fot if any thing was calculated Sto rellect disgrace upon the Nolsholwed, it was the senti ments which bad just been expressed by the Hon. Mem ber for Torkshirt(Mr. S. Wortley). It was stated by him that the attachuantt to the Constkution had been greatly shaken in the heart of the nation by the conduct of the Noble Lord and his colleagues; and what could be worse than this? Or% did it reflect any honour on those Honourable tientlemen, when the Honourable Member, speaking of the reason which induced the House to come to the vote it had come to the other morning, said, it was not because they approved of what the present Administration had done—not that they thought them worthy of their office; but because that there were no others to supplant them. Haring no pretension to take a part in any Administration, all that he (Mr. Baring) ' desired was to see the country well governed. It was impossible not to see the growing dissatitfaction at the present Administration; and whatever bitterness of party might be induced in opposite, front their ha bittial opposition to those on lys side; it was an an-' swA r t, the twannby that tbett were no others better w r the °free. In his opinion, persons adequately qualified might be found its every county la England; and, in the present enlightened state of this country, it was an insult .to say that o e had Ministers unfit to govern, but that there t, ere no others capable of taking their places. If that House did not, in one shape or another, in the course of the Sessios, express an opi nion in sympathy with 017 opinions of the whole nation with respect to the !ate disgraceful proceedings, it ‘vould do more to degrade itself, and to farther the interests of Parliamentary Reform. thin the speeches of all the de magogues for the last twenty years. Sir R. WILSON agreed with the Hon. Member for Yorkshire (Mr. S. Wortley), that it was the wish Of 19.211t1is of the population of the kingdom, that the perseention of the Queen should be put an end to; and also that she should hat e no triumph over another party. Rut when lie stated that he thought it was unnecessary, as when there was no resis.anee there could he no tri umph ; and he Was sure OW Noble laciest opposite (Cas tlereagh) hal too much spirit to shrink from a declara tion with respect to the min restitution of the Qneen's name to the Liturgy, which was not their own act.— Where the art was not Miaisteriai, that was to say, not their owu. there could be no responsibility. The res !titian would have been, and, in fact, was virtually granted, if it had not been opposed by those lientlemen ; *milt was right for the country to know tkat when they were opposing this restoration they had rentasitted them-' selves by their private relations not to restore it. Mr. - rr EItiVOIITH was anxious to repel the im pntation cast on hint by the Hun- Member for York , shire, as one of those'* ho hail been in the minority the other morning. lie bad v tett conscientionsly, and he longed to no party. lie` ever regarded the omission of the Queen s name frog the tiitnty as an act of in lustice. As honesty was thegill4icy, so, he thought, p would he found to be e eke in the present case. The-Hon. 11. PETRI coneaeted that he would be guilty of an injustice to his constituents, and to the coaatry at large, if be did not usanfolly and fearlessly state his sentiments on the present pennies., In the discharge of his public duty, big conscience alosseawas his pia; and he supported every measure that tended to auseliorate the centlition of his eonntrvinen. Int taritiftiaWM — Fie Admisaletration had reluctantly obeyed Shat voice. It ilrif loyalty with a vengeance to! degrade the Consort of the ging. As this was the age of Revolntions, he should not be surprised if Ministers sloquld next attempt to achieve este. The principle of their conduct against the Queen wits unjust, because by it punishment preceded ttial. in enparation of their conduct, let a Royal Palace be 1111444114 to her, and a liberal provision. Mr. Serjeant ONSLOW timid sot alttaw the imputa tion of the lion. Member for Yorkshite s that he bail voted on Saturday morning, last„with *Time to turn out Ministers, to pass unnoticed.. Mr. S. IVORTI.EIT said, that be had *sly expressed his own opitNn ; he had never hapated motive to any one on that subject. Mr. Selma ONSLOW resumed.—lf he had Dot so, he was not the only person in error. On the first day of the Session he had said, he would look at the (pies tion without partiality for one side or the other, and he redeemed his pledge in the vote he gave. The Petition was then brought up, read, and ordered to be printed. Mr. DENMAN presented a Petition from 600 inha bitants of St. Giles s, Camberwell, praying the House of Commons to address the Throne for the dismissal of Ministers.—Ordered to be printed. Mr. CURAVEN moved, that there be laid before the Douse an account of all coals carried coastwise and otherwise, from the Ist of January, 1y 19, to the Ist of January. Dal. Also for an account of all coals imported into Irellnol for the same period. Also for an seecont of the arrears of Assessed Taxes due, but not collected in London and Westminster Iron, Ist January, Do - 211, to Ist January, Is - 21, and beyond that time as far as they could be made out. Ordered. The Hon. flentlenian then gave notice, that on Tues day next he should move for other Accounts relative to the Assessed Taxes; and be should also, on the same occasion, move for a specific Account of the composition of the Assessed Taxes, so that he should be ahle to come to a right understanding with the Right Hon. Gentle man (the Chancellor of the Exchequer) on the subject. Great inconvenience had been expetienced by the (-win try, in consequence of the indecision of the Right Hon. Gentleman, and be was anxious now to bring the matter forward in such a way as wonlol fix him. TheCHA CELIAJR of the EXCHEQUER said a few words, which were inaudible in the Gallery. Mr. CURWEN saiol, he hoped the Right Hon. Gen tleman had not altered his intention since last year, with reference to the tax limn agricoilv:ral horses. He hoped indeed, he would go step (outlier, and take off all bur dens on that description of animals. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQITER said, he could not hold out any expectation on that subject—he could make no promise. Mr. BENNE l'T presented a Petition from Stamford, in Lincolnshire, praying the interference of the House to procure the dismissal •,f Ministers, and a cessation of proceedings against the Queen, &c.--Ordered to be printed. NAPLF.S. Sir R. WILSON begged to ask the Noble Lord op posite, if he bad any objection to lay on the table of the House the answer given by the Government to the note of the Austrian Ambassador on the subject of Naples? Loaf CASTLEREAGH stated his willingness to give every information in his power on that subject. THE LITURGY. Lord A. HAMILTON gave notice of a motion for Wednesday next, for the production of the Order in Council directed to Scotland, relative to the omi , ..ion of her Majesty's name in the prayen of the Scotch Church ; and also for a copy of the Correspondence which had passed, and all papers connected with the punishment of a Scotch Clergyman, for praying far her Majesty. Sir OEOHHE ANSON presented a Petition from certain Inhabitants of Lichfield, praying for the r 4 storation of her Majesty's name to the Liturgy. A Mennen stated, that - he hnd been requested, as Colleague to the Hon. Member who had just pre sented the Petition, to state, that a Protest had been numerously and respectably signed-Icy the inhabitants of Lichfield against the sentiments of this Petition, and against the Resolutions on which it was founded. The Petition was then brought up, read, and or- dered to be printed. • Loud NUGENT presented a similar -Petition from Aylrsbary, in Buckinghamshire. . Mr. BUTTERWORT/I moved f..r actor nts of all 'Weekly Newspapers, published in the 3letropnlis on Saturdays and Sundays, ant an Amiss! Account of the Revenue derived from the Stasnp Duties on . such Newspapers for the last twenty yearst.--Ortit;red. Mr. ELLIS preseuted a .Pctitien from the Parer Stainers of Dublin, praying for a Repeal of the late Uutirs OA Papet.—Orsh red to I, e print e d. The lion. Gentleman then mused for carious ac counts relating to the Duties for Paving. Watching, Lighting, Sgt. the different PatiOses in Dublin, from the par I:407 to 1t521.-I.4•!••red. Dr. GUSHINGS" wished to inrire of the , lion. Member himself, whether he was not a Master in Chancery? Mr. ELLIS said he certainly was. LUSHINOTON then gave moire, that on the gist of nest month he shun's! submit • motion to the House, that an humble Address be presented to his Majesty, praying that the lion. Member he dis misses! fr his office. Mr. DENMAN presented a Petition from Sutton Ash field, praying fur the restoration of her hlajesty's name to the Liturgy. Here he would remark, that it would be much better ,f lion. Gentlemen opposite: 'could state the contents of those Petitions which they presented to the House, hosier the same object as the one which be had the honour to hold in his hand, and not leave them en tirely to the reading of the offiner ap:sointed fir that purpose, the (jerk of the House. who was too much fa tigued with the discharge of his arduous duty, to reed theist distinctly and imprresively. He was convinced they would have more effect, aedthey might even induce Ministers topay a greater degree of attention as that which they coutaiiird. He would tmw 'aka the oppor• tunity of saying one word noon the question of the Liturgy. The exclusion of her Majesty's name was an act of the grossest and most irreparable injustice tc wards her Majest, because it was an ra -poi 1,. act, cal culated to excite rrejildice against her. lee did think, also, that it was injurious to her ease, inatinsuch as Gins,- who were among number of her judres, hail hers parties,to that act. Hut the last and most nu orient reason why I.e so denquipauset4aearapeelvet MI I- iftniefrit sat or-atirTrfina been **est serious lupe ty to the Monarch, because it femeiaible that seek a proceeding should have been accompl,shed, a i than be ing followed by imputations cast upon flout quarter. They had heard mach of the responsibility whicc rested with his Majesty's Ministers. Hut that was to him a matter of suspicion. For he had never before heard any thing so assiduously advanced, n hit h nobody fur a mo ment doubted. Therefore, n hen they heard continually and upon every occasion that his Majesty's Ministers were responsible, he was disposed to believe that there was something more than was seen, which tendered such a line of conduct necessary. He must cutisider it equivalent to the declaration, that the Constitution obliged them to go through these formalities; but the fart was, that there was another party who these pro cestlings had injured the permanent interests of the country and of the Ktng. He saw not the smallest dif ficulty in restoring her Majesty's name to the Li - nrgy. It rested entirely with Ministers, and they could tin it. Why should not the House of Commons petition the King upon this subject, as the lords had done in 1741 The names of sou* of :br Royal progeny bad not, at that time, been inserted in the Liturgy, and certain blanks reaciiiiril not filled up. Lord N ilmingtoit then assured the Ilouse that the omissions had taken place solely in consequence of a question of precedency nut being then t•ett led ; and that Oasis it was so, the in.er- Lions would he made without delay. Why then, such being the fart, he knew of no reason why they should not see the House of Commons as independent as the House of Lords had been, by pursuing a similar coarse. The Petition wa.: received and ordered to be printed. Mr. I H presented another to the same effect, from the Officers and Members of the Amicable Friends' Society of the town of Nottingitain.—Ordered to be printed. Sir It. HERON Bare notice of a motion for a return of all appointment , , civil and military. to the Cape of Hood Hope, nuoie since the first of March, I*l9, where in the salarie, exceed 50/. per annul,. Mr. fil*ME gave votive of a motion for copies of the Letters Patent, for the appointment of the President of the Board of Cuntiol. PF.TITIANS. Mr. HUME presented a Petition from Dundee, pray ing fur the restoration of all her Majesty's rights out privileges. He stated that it expressed the feelings of the mass of the Scotch popnlation. Also a similar Pt titian from a Scotch Burgh, the name of which we mold not ascertain. This Petition, he said, had been forwarded to the lion. Member for Edinburgh (Mr. Dundas) who had refused to present it. He considered it one of the first duties of a member of that House, to present any Petition which was put into his bands, whether he agreid with the sentiments it contained or not. ►lr. IV. MINIMS stated, that he never could hate entertained a wish to refuse presenting the Petition ; but the persons ifOia requited him to present it re quired of him two things. First, that lie would pre sent it; and then, that he would give it his - support. Now, if under thee' cirewnstanees, he had presented the Petition, he should only have been doing one half of what was required ; for lie certainly could not hate given it his support. in that else the petitioners would late had just cause to complain that they had not an opportunity of engaging the powerful aid of the Hon. Member who had now presented their petition. Therefore it nag that be had returned it to them, with the desire that they should know his sentiments, and wit from any wish of refusing to present it : because he had presented hundreds of petitions, whose con tents were opposed to his own sentiments.(l-lear !) lir. HUME was sure that the explanation of the Hon. Member was given from his best recollection, mad was satisfactory at least to himself. But as he. was in possession of the letters which had pass d oft the subject, he would read the to the House, and leave them to judge of the conduct of the 114 n. Mem ber, and of the nature of his expiation 11. The letter I 1 pit It. i. I