The Statesman. — London, England, 1820-10-23 00:00:00

I . _ i i i i t " . • • l 1 • : . ( . t i i i ) I , • i I I . ' 4 i . , 1 E\ t ... ... . . - ' \b ‘l t 4 1 .1 1 Y I t ) . I. i i I I • 1 .0. . . / I 4 % I 4 . 1 t , • ), i • - . Dou ens remember taking sonic lees there 1 —No I took wishing. Did •n burly else 1.-1 ha. e %al.! I did not know %hat others dial. What was it they too ?-1 don't know ; holier it was but or cold. Who handed it to the carriage ?—I do nut know ; some of the eery Lats. Did not Sacrist hand It 1-1 do not remember. WWI you swear he did not caanut swear he was not there. Do Yoe remember Steed pinto Won. Austin cult some t`ling I—No. Will you swear you did not see Sacchi on that ;Gurney ? I swear I do not recollect seeing him. Will you sorer he was not us that journey ?—I cannot swear; I de Out rev:#::44l seeing him. Hid her Royal highness during the whole journey. rile with the Countess of Oldi, or did she occasionally (Lange her c.. riage ?—Always in the same carriage. At whet time did her Royal Highness arrive at Sens gaglia ?—ln the day. At what toner of the day ?-11efore noon I think. Will T oo swear, that it was nut at four or tire o'clock in the at•ernoon ?—When I do nut know any thing pre cisely. 1 do not swear. Do yon know n mon of the name of Ratti !—I do. Was he on that foorney ?—He was. Where slid he ride ?--On the box of the coach. tin the box of which carriage ?-0n the box of the coach in which the maid-servants were. Yon spoke of the Balls at the Barone; you esiti4 person named Cavaletti, was at those balls ; was Cara {eta in the serviaw,of the Princess, at that time.—No. Where does lie live !—At Milan. Da y Ay. know a person named Antogica 7-1 do. Were his dung tern at the !mils I—Yes. What is he?—.l tenant of the Barons. Resides those you , have mentioned, do you know the tames of any unser persons of rant who were at the balls —Yes. Who Were they !—Doctor MJchetti, and the curate of the throne. Any body else I—l do not recollect precisely. Yon say that every body was dancing thins. did you glance among the rest I—l did. .Vest say yon know the daughters -if Antogins, did - Ft/ft ever see them in any other room besides the bail- Nor reotitl—tsits. any other females who came there'—Never. . her Royal Highness ever dance with those per sops f—Soinctlines. Wheee were your family living at the time you were at ae Gerona ? —At Milan. Were they at these balls ?—None of them Lad been peeersted to her Royal Highness at that time. Do you know the wife of Ilergami t•o. 1T a: she ever at the halls?—Never. When did you last see Berge:an 7—Last month, Coining I om Rome. Where slid you see him 7—At the Barons. • Any where else?—At Milan also. .. Were you ftequently with him 7—lies. • And with General Pisa I—l was with General !MN ' J r ,: 'Voile. • ' Yltd menet apply to game ons to come here as wit nesses ) , --.They otered itMnWlcue. Have you not undertaken to indemnify any pr der r-iming over here !—lt is not my eharacter to do so. t`.;ngs base been done by the Advocate Henry. Have you made no agreements with any persona to pay t . crn for colitiag here ?—I have made no agreenteuta, I have executed agreements made by the Advocate, henry. !tow many agreement' have cue executed at the request t,,r Henry ?—The agreement Is, tea litres per slay for their s••;ipurt, deritse their ittv•rtire.--• franc a day for each of th,:ir wises. and half a franc fey each of the children for t - :e;r support. This agreement was made hes•nmse the pass p4-ts would not be granted without securing some support twr the families. Hare you not paid any witness any money for con* beee7-1 have made no agreement to pay. The head li••ilder before they set out said, that hr should suli'er damage. and we granted him indemnification for what te might lose during their absence. It has been order rd, or rather requested that the architect Ratti would make se!tan account of a hat his loss might he. This was done :er_raitsp4teper, and it has been jod:red at 30 1 10 livers of - This a.• mate Henry, I have paid to the son of the head- C: tstrr. Have von not given money to any one to give evi 'l•:.cs ?---Not to be a witness, never. I have given at t' •it departure. a small slim on account,—two or three NJpoleons, and a grant of ten francs per day, which I hare eaplained before ail the witnesses. Dv whoin were you employed to give this stoney ?-- By !he Adynea.e. Henri. * Goer long have you iiern in England?---1 have been in F zland three time'. Whon less the first time °—When her Royal Highness seas at henna. When was the second time?--The secnnd time was w!.eu her Royal Highness came from Paris. I thonett yen said you left her Royal Highness at St. t is true. How lung was it after that that you came to England ? --Sir or seven wicks. ' What occasioned your coming to England then?---I unt.. innet.sent fur. . .: , tity whom ?-I:tv her Modesty tl.e Queen. .. flow long on that occasion did you remain in Eng lira ?--The second time I was in England it was fur right or nine days. • Did you not then go out on the part of her Majesty to Milan and elsewhere, to collect witnesses ?—1 was sent by her Majesty to Milan to say that those persons who wished to come to England to give testimony for her Majesty might do so. How many persoret had von conmittnication with there as *it 'teases I—Forty or fifty: How many of those persons came over with you the lest tinse.you came to heiglasiol ?--Tu o witnesses. Who were they ?• Pomarli and ---. Was ,Posnarti your t ? I did nut want a 'ser vant i has( a servant of my owls. Did sot Pouter' come over as your servant I—lie came as a s imam fu- her Majesty. Did you n:lt represent him as your servant when you left the Austrian States I—Never. Did you frequently see Hommel at dinner I—Frequently. Every Day I—No. Did you hot see him every day at the Barons or at Gene ra! Piaohi? —Never at General Mao's. Did Bergami follow yen to Pesaro I—No ; Ise cense after a ord. How many of the suite did you leave at St. Oeser's I—Two maids and three or four other servants. Did you go with Bergami from St. Oiner'sl—Yes. Where to I—To Paris. With Virtorine also ?—Ves. Did you live with Bergami at Parlsl—Yes. Where ?---At the lintel Ereerati. Rue de Richelieu. Was he there the whole of the time with you?— Yes. Who paid the expenses of the journey with Bergamo ? —J slid. Bergami. as well as yourself ?—I paid, and was reinsbursed by Remand. i n what carriage did you travel —I believe it was one of the Priucess s. Had von mote than one carriage?—Yea. two. Roth belonging to the Princess ?—No. Was it not the carriage which was used by the Prin cess at St. Omer's t--Yes. What servants bad you?---Three servants. THE STATESMAN. Did von accompany Bergand to Italy from Paris ?••••• No. I came here. Did you leave ttergami at Paris!—Yes. Did you afterwards see him at Paris 1.--Nn. Where did you first see kiln afterwards ?—.Near Pesaro. When you left St. Omer.. where did you leave the rontitess of Oli ?—At her house. Dow long were von et Pesaro Jay. What occasioned your leaving her Nlajesty at St. Omers ?•—.l slid not leave her Majesty at St. Diners ; her Majesty thought proper tam send use on a mission. Had her Majesty auy lacy of honour after the Coup.. teas left her?—?Cu. Where did you leave Louis Bergami ?—At Pesaro. Where did y•vi last see the mother of Liergansi ?--At Milan, every tune I was there. Have you ever seen Hergainra wife?—Yes. At the Herons f—l believe so, one day. When I was I sst there. Was Hergend there?—Yes. Where was little Victoria. whew yonlast saw her 7—With I young ladies. Was that Me last time y ou saw her, was it at Parts?—Yee. Was Victoriae in the same hotel with you and Borpail at Paris 1--Yes. With these two female servants ?--Yes, always. that these serraws take care of Viewing ?---1 es, they dial not like to return home. Was flip little Victoriae at the Ilarona when you were there ?—No. What salary have you now from her Majesty have no pay. • I have a pension of 200 Louis. Where does guar family live?—My father is at Milan, aty wife is at Sahlonier's in London. Who pars the expellees of your living here ?—Lath? . now I have not made any account. I believe as witness fur the Queen the government is to pay ine. • Dia you take any money when you went to Milan? Yes, I never travel without. Who kayo you the money ?--I received 1001. from Messrs. Courts. On whose account ?—Her Majesty's. Did you not take also a letter of credit s._N o . Dial you receive any money from 3larietti 4000 livres of Milan. Was that all ?---Yes, I revived something at Venice. How muds dial von get at Venice?--10t) Napoleons. Who travelled with run to Venice ?—Mr. %Yowl's son, when he went to enquire after s person we wanted to trace. Dial Mr. Wood's son go with you any where else ? Yes, to Milan. Who paid ti.e etpence4 ?..—1 Did von never travel in Italy with anyone else ?...Yes, Maoni. Who else . No one else. Will you swear that !--I 'in not recollect. Did you go to Switzerland 7.—No. What conntrvistan are you Milnn. lists you an) other property besides your pension I— 'Yes, some property of my own. Etaminstion by the Peers. Lord favinteitoe.. —Does the whom know whether soy person slept ih her 3Mjesty's room at Charultz !—There did not. Lord Ett.e.%antiounn.—Did I understand the witnikos right in sat that Carlo Fort' entered the *resift of the Princess at Loretto he entered it pros Woman% Did you eser see Carlo Ford in the mortice of her Royal Highness nntit you saw him r.t Rome!—He was seat from I.oretto to Rome provisionally. Did you accompany her Royal Highness from Miian to Laren° ?--I Did yon see Carlo Forti on that journey t--He set out as a courier, not in the suite. In two or three instances Mr. Droueliam woo obliged to correct the Marquis Spiretti in the interpretation given by him about these questions. Lord Hoes: --Then, in petiole( fast. slid Cerke-111404. accompany the suite of the Princess from Mike to 4- rote ?---Ile travelled in the suite. Mr. !Is't 1:11.%11.—My lords. the witness has said Irak the suite. lie went in the suite of her Royal Highness from Loretto to Rome ?- 7 Yei. I wish to know, if I understood yort rightly to ray. that on the second night of her !loyal Highness's sysi. deuce at Carlstadt', she returned from the court to the inn bettersa seven and eight o'clock in the evening?— She did. Lord CALTOOSPE.—WIien von returned to Charriltz from Inspruck, slid you gu to the room of her Royal I igh nes* ? I did. Bergaini and yourself ?—Ves. Are you certain that, front the moment of yonr arrival fro!? Inspruck, at Charnitz, there were continual prepa rations fur leaving that place going on in the room of her Royal Highness ?—1 never said there were any pre. parations ruing on in the room of her Royal Highness. Are you certain, that (ruin the nutmeat of yaw return to Charititz, there were other persons besides the Princess and Hergami in her Royal Highness's room? Mr. linos/alias', with great sitiunission, objected to that question. It assumed that liergami was the -Rule of the time in the mans with her Royal Highness, theagh witness hail said no such thing. Lord LauotAtoakz said a few words, but in so low a tone IS to he inaudible below the liar. Mr. BSOUUHAIS did not want to urge the objection further. Let the question he put. Examin•tion resumed by Lord CALTHOSPS —PO eon know how many bells arr.. in her Royal Ilightielo . s room I—l saw one bed. The Louts CIIANCKLLOIL—At Chartnits ? Yell, at Charnits. Do von know what is the ordinary time of travellin.4 from Charnits to Itispreck by post ?—lt must depend on the state of the road. u the roads are bail it woold take more time, otherwise one could go sooner. Lord CtI.THOMPL—Chi the journey trout eliamitz to Inspruck. how many hours were you without rest !—I was from noun until the nest 'mailing. Do you recollect whether, lit the hod-room of the Priuees: at Chaciiitz, there was a tumulus on the Moor I—There was not. Do you recollect any one place when you saw Mahone perform the deuce you spoke of !—I do. Did you ever see itim perform it at the Villa d'Este ? 1 did. Dn von remember whether the Princess was present ? I believe she isas at the window. Are you certain she was at the window ?--I said before I believe she n as. Do you ever remember to have seen any holy of re spectable diameter in rune own country wits. so that dance ?—Not in my presence. The Marquis Spiretti here interposed. Lords.—lle knows English as well as 1 do. Mr. liammittm.—My Lords, 1 wish to know, upon what atithurite. nr presumption, the Marquis Spiretti g ives that evidence to the House, and particularly it not tieing true. The witness has sworn, that lie knew only a little English, and the Marquis knew English very well. Lord CALTimaPg resumed. Was Mehemet amongst the screams disusisaed at St. Omen /—lt is three years since he went away. Lord CacoratlT—Ton have said that her Royal High ness dined with the King of Bavaria, at Munich, 1 wish to know if the Queen of Bavaria was present on that Dressiest ?—She was. Was that the only occasion on which her Revel High ness dims! with the King, at lingual I—Her Kola Highness dined several times with the King, at Munich. Lori Lacrozapazz—When did you last see the Coon. tem Oldi ?—I last saw her when I went to meet her at Dover. When was that ?—Aliout a fortnight ago. Is she now in England ?—She is. When did you last see Faustina ?—I hare not seen her for two or three yeefs. When did you last see Francisco?-1 last saw him at Milan. When did you last see Pietro?—Who is this Pietro ? menu tilt nephew of Bergauii?-1 have nut seen him. VYas he not In the stables of her Royal Highness ?—I did nut see him. Wt.en did you last see Carnivi (we believe) ?—I bare no knowledge of this Carnivi. Ileocowtst —My Lords, may I ask the witness a question. The Cu AP/CELLAR—Certainly. t ` The witness has said that he did not see any body of I'l6pm:table character witness that dance. Mac I ask whether he ever saw any thing in that dance, that the most fastidious female might not witness ?—lt was a most ridi.uluas dance, but nothing in the slightest de gree indecent. When the Princess returned from the Palace to the Inn at Carlsrithe, did you accompany her ?—No. What time did you see her there f—About 7 or 8. Into what room of the inn did the Princess go?—lnto the salts. _ _ . . How was she dressed great splendour. How was Bergami dressed his uniform. Did you all accompany the Princess to the Margra- Borgatui amongst the rest How long did you remain at the evening pary at • Court about 10 o'clock. By the Earl of Rossnseuv,--Did Bergami remain in Ow hall at the inn during the whole time while her Royal Highness was there on her return from the palace, and until her return to court to supper?—He did. A PEEL—You paid you returned to Charnitz about three o'clock in the morning, and that the party set out at live, I wish to know whether you went into her Royal • Highness's room between those hours?—From the mo ment of my return I was never more than half an hour or a . suarter of an hour absent from her Royal lligh- IteSS • 11.10111. Witness was ordered to withdraw. Mr. Raorisiasst addressed their horilships, briefly stating that her Majesty had been deprived of another most material, most important witness, in the loss of their Chamberlain. lie gave every credit to his Majesty's 6o vernmeut, who had used all their i till orrice to get him over; but they had not to deal with honest Engltshinen. They had here to deal with wily Orman Courtiers, who could not be persuaded to believe what our agents told them, Nix. that they really desired the chamberlain should come, but listened to what was said behind the ce:•aiu by their own tioverninent. This chamberlain a must honest man only received a hint from Mr. Beritett, ' and like an obedient Courtier befalls ill of a fever, whit's he caught -from Rastelli from over the Alps. He was a most important witness, because be was the only one who could prove that the Princess was not the person who had been seen by Krauts. Ile hoped their Lordships would notottider these circumstances, and upon the monstrous principle, that because, person was accused of nine or ten crimes, and was only able to refute b or! of then being deprived of the means of refuting the re mainder, to hind that person guilty. Lora Livempoot. mid, when the papers were examined k would be found that the credit given to his Majemy 's °ye rn meet !.y her Majesty's Counsel was no more time they de served. The T TTOIINCT-OZNERAL be to know whether biiPeatned Friend (Mr. Itroug W ) had made any spe cific application to their Lordships An this part of the MU lot s . ciTtitiise reit-JIM be certalaly bad not ' specific spit on to their Lordships. He could twit think of oinking any such application until their hardships were in possession of the correspon dence laid upon the table by the Noble hoed. He wish ed, however, to he allowed until Monday to decide upon what course it would be most advisable for hint to pur sue tinder all the circtunstances of the cam as it now stood. It being now a quarter to four o'clock, their Lord- ships adjunrited to Monday. flfoff WATER AT LONDON BRIDGE To-unanow. Morning. 38 after 3.—Erlitting, 64 sin. after 3. PRICE OF STOCKS Till Nut! !tort I pus Coot. Red. ORM per Ct. Vans. $4 per Cont. ♦ per rem*. ft 4) bpr Ct. Navy Intl} 1614 (Atm 4511. 1711 7.14 $ per Cott. Ann. DAY AT ONE O'CLOCK. India Atotk Ditto Beads QM p.. Old Annuitiat Li. Mita Rt. 41. as. pls. Ditto Cu. Orontes Cu. for Account 0741 Lott. Tickets till. ISs. Atittrdniatt " Tllll INATINIIIIIIS" Is INco RITZ " TNN LONDON: NONDAT ETZNING, OCTOBER 23. STATESMAN OFFICE, TWO O'CLOCK. Mad. DUMONT Ka% this forenoon examined, to as certain whether she would confess certain conversa tions held with Madame NI nil vr, of tit • neighbour• boost of Colombia, respecting the character given by ilkonstr, of the Princess of WALES and of her Royal Highness baring been surronniled by spies. To all the gnestions pot to her by her 111.4.neterr's Conssel, Destoscx's replies uniformly were, " Je me INC appcllC pas ! I " MARTINI is sow tinder examination. Accounts received this ntnrning by the Leeward Nand mail state, that after Ent.tran had rejected the offers from Spain, he itennediately invetted St. Martha and Cart{engem', and there we- nut the least doubt but they would soon be in possession of the Patriots. The lever also arlds,—now is the time for England to exert herself, otherwise the Americans will have all the commerce of the Spanish Main. American papers arrived this morning, one day later than those previously received. EstrAct of a letter from St.l homes, Aug. 2S " There is a brig just arrived from Slargereta 4 which Eras at a port called tampano, on the Maio, in possession Of the ItoYal troops, who revolted against their officers, and after killing them, boarded the brig, to the number of 130 mew., and forced the crew to carry them to 3lar gareta, where they bare joined the Patriots." ••' - Many been the miserable and flimsy att,..„„ t , on the part of a Government to cover a foul de,' gr; b u t the co: respondence in our columns of to-diii• peeling the Barnn D'Ence is certainly the most raise.. Table and of all tie attempts that were ever made or conceited. The case is simply thus. The Qrxav of Evu t sae was arraigned on a charge, the moot important that ever could be brought against an individual : most portant, whether we look at the charge itself, e e the fatal consequence of its establishment. A who m ;,, b e produce I in support, and a witne-s in defence of the charge, resided, for a wonder, in the territories ore person who is called the Grand Duke of BA oca ; the fee simple of whose whole property, down to his serf wardrobe, is not of equal 'value with the estat e , of some of our Commoners. However, this per m does, it seems, " strut and fret his hour" in do; mimic pride of 31aieers ; and, upon some apply to some of his " Officers," the:witness agaion QUERN was compelled, (o►, as my Lord Ca/Inman more elegantly expresses it, " was in some mew, required") to attend—did attend, and did l i esn i . dente. Now this was all very well ; and vs he m quarrel with i:. For the purposes of justice, i t highly proper that people who, for some reason or other, are unwilling, (as Mrs. Keen rx was,) N appear before a Court, should be compelled to appear lit fore that Court and give their o Went,. But, on the other hand, not oulg common justice, but the appear• once, nay, the very mockery of justice, requires, that at least, the same means should be exercised for the defence of the accused, which have been resorted to for her destruction. That this aAorld be done, is O mitted. Now, the Ministers ass rt, that all Las ben done which could Lave teen done, for the purpose of bringing over this Baron, this most impor tant witness fur the Queue ; and this assertion we deny. Here we are then, fairly at issue.-- To bring over BARB till KRANTZ, what did the agents of the Governtneut? Certainly, roc apply to the Court of the high and mighty Duke of 58Dtlf but they applied to the Police; and thus succeeded in getting the person in question brought over. The as tural consequence would be, that the Police should have been applied to, on behalf of the witness for the Quota. But here, we arc met by an objection, to ' which we beg the particular attention of our Readers: although we know not, e►en while the pen is is our Sand, whether we shall treat t'te objection with-ridi cule, or with indignation. The objection is, dietitian Minos d'Exot is a minion of the Court ; and dotal vulgar paws of the Police cantle. a dependant of the high and Why, if his Royal Highness to road and write, he eight ' his duty, as a man, to come, an accused person, if his mony were of Importance ; eon were a beggar ; and, could not afford to travel post, his duty to trudge his royal aye, every inch of the way ; person should be condemned This, he should know as a mi (fur so be calls himself), as the very distrilator cf justice, which to admire most ; his affected open neglect, of the duties u However, it seems, that correspondence, a kind of ini Baron, that he might, " If he self," he permitted to come over to entry, . the defence of the QUEEN of EN :GLAND ; hut the re Baron knew, full well, what was meant by this, nei he immediately fell sick. and was not only sick, h he talked ah:put "the state if his health," whit§ would imply somethiug respecting his general suit of health ; rot a word of which was urged a snoeti ago, when be was applied to by the Quess't agents ; for his then excuse was, merely, the prie hibitive command of the high and mighty Ude of !Wats. We have but one more remark to make upon this head. The farce is imempkie fur want of a medical man's certificate, respeelief the 1/Anox's " state of heath." We all know leo NO such a certificate could have been obtainetiCest non•esistenee sloes not at all alter, any more existence would alter, the principle of this moot alflo• and most nefarious transaction. The Ililb Bailiff of South , a retptisition numerously and appointed a meeting fur to•morr. , sideration the state of national • tion his Majesty to dismiss his During the reign of Richard was presented to the :sing, beseeching i Ministers. Richard, in reply. said, that Portiatnewt he world not remove ' his kitchen. Having occasion for which could not oilieruisa hr übtai, to amply with their demand: the Chancellor, was not only removed tr. peached and found guilty of inisdeinem SIR PRAPIcIa BeRDIATT.-11 satisfaction that we assure our reports in circulation on Saturday' tire to the health of this worthy sou are entirely groundless. Sir ecancis earring for some time, in the loaroryatis of the rant ; bat letters, —.---- ceired in town nn Saturday, with the agreeable cruet. that the day before Ire was consid erabl y He and Mr. Hobliouse had been deputed to preted Aihlresa to her Majesty on Wednesday nest ; suc h were eatettsimed that ivy that time he would be to aecomitanT. kis public-spirited culleagua in ties of their joist monwissiom, moot be allowed to touch rufghty Duke of BAULK! is bar beyot taught, only to knoi►'6at It tried b e, hiatklf, in tlefeast d Royal Highness's tern. even though t►at per , if Lis ltocal Riglitry lost, it would be erpull person on foot, the w rather than an inn for want of his eri4escr. nan ; but, as a Sorereiga. a person who ehoakl W tire, we really know an affected ignor&nce, or Vs which often', his statits. after much nonsensical itimation was given to - eh Ire should request it kite over to this country, fie civic 91 !Ms •••.~. n. ark,h in pursue/re ti respectably slimed, kt ,eroye, to 1.11.. e into cat it 4116141, and also loft s present Ministers. I the Seeon.l, Sib edilagg peching him to retooetbit Reid, that et the elesimif re the mem:est gnaws for a subsidy, twee t ,brained, hr was °AO the Earl •of Saffulk, oo red from his office, HO P lisdenteattom is with the ninst reel readers that the elseaill .day'and 1r and patrap.i.• list hands had, indeed. 10 e ronntry, front a WO time. we keep, woe' .111. at.. igreroble