The Statesman. — London, England, 1820-10-18 00:00:00

o ..s hail deposed evilest the Queen. After what had .. THE QUEEN. • o• cercetk the conotry ought to base a guarantee friow -::' '--,• "I .\'? .. its proper (patter, that theme persons would be feeth• toning fur punishment in case that their perjuries de. .BOUSIL OF LORDB.—(Teas )Montana.)set resf it. As it was a matter known to him, of his owns There wis a full ittendence of Peers this !nothing% hoowleslge, that one of the witnesses had sworn falsely. . he was the more urgent upon this topic , assid hoped the: • ' though in general, fear of • their Lordships attended Aohie Lord would give his assurance that the witnesses , until after prayers had been read. That ceremony so:ild nut be enabled to leave this country, as long as i being performed, the Peers were called over. Tbs. Th.:re was a , probability. of proof being 'adduced that . defaulters were Lord Altanley. the Earl el Murky, - -I Committed petjury. He fully agreed with his and the Dukes of Argyle and Mt. Albaus. Friend that it was not the Queen who was I Counsel were then called in, and • 11, but the Mlnistets. They were the real I The Loan Cuter Jerrie' .of the King's-Bench, all he could say to theta was, "God give addressed the House, and stated that, as there was . deliverance." IGo a s declared his conviction, that the Bill some differener of opinion between himself and his aid Penalties was a Bill of lies and falsehood. ' brethren, respecting the questions submitted to them MIT observed it had been said, that out of the I by the Douse, they would, with the permission of the 35,000/. a year to the Queen, the law ex- ! House, deliver their opinions separately. ter Majesty should he paid as far as his vote I Lord Busstxe rose, and proposed a third question, expenses never should be paid by such means. :stay asked whether there was not a power of for the consideration of the Judges, but we could mit the witnesses in this country by law. I distinctly hear the terms of the question. It varied, vrgotexxv-Ostrist4L relied in the negative. however, very little from that proposed by his Lord. xsyr then began to express his regret and suf. ship yesterday. those witnesses who had perjured themselves The question was agreed to, ant was accordingly les of Order, order.) submitted to the Jud. ' to the 23d November. Lord ESPKIYIE sugge ges stid that• the Judges should deliver their opinion ups the tiro first pestions, but— . Lt cc—Holiday si the "'Me Vers. ATER AT LONDON BRIDGE to-troaaow. Morning, at 12.—Evealug, wits. after 11. etc Saataman. 11113111 STATESMAN" 111 INCORPORATCD WITII Tat STATINIMAK." LONDON: 'ESDAT 'VEXING. OCTOBER 18. 1820. STOCK:WFWANOE. ORs o'Cloek. ands.during these few days put have been to steady. owing in a great measure to the dearth • business, which, notwithstanding the open- Reduced Four per Cents. he. has not increased. Consols fur the November Ire been from 674 to 674, and closed 6744. This morning they opened at that being a holiday at the Bank. there been much doing, though a very full attend • members took place, under the expectation thug might have arisen in the Honse of l• ast night to cause some fluctuation ; but being the ease, they soon dispersed, and the continued the same up to this time. isbon mails arrived this morning. bringing from that Capital of the Bth. It appears thing was then quiet, and that the re continued en account of the two different Om :.he Oporto and Lisbon) having joined. express arrived yesterday from Paris, stating, French Funds, Five per Cents. bad risen to The cause was not knows. ineetieg of the House a Lords this seerning, Cola, Jcsetra of the Court of King's stated, that as there was were dilierenee of opi himself and his brethren respecting the snbniitted to them by the :lease, he re permission to deliver theit opinions separately. however, to the delivery of these opinions, .ss proposed a third question for the of the Judges ; on which the Lona A having observed, that as the third Ines• be connected with the two first, it appeared e that the Judges should consider the third before delivering their opinions or the pre - Judges again retired, tad in abort an hear and read their opinions from a paper. With the first question proposed by the LORD ,ciao', their Lordships wereof opinion that the question was not admissible; the next, pro. Lord Basktma, they 'slavered in the mega. with respect to the third, they were of opt. should be divided Into two heads t rin e. of a coaspiracy meld be received, but a spousal. tiptoe it t dad secondly, that it be for the consideration a the Judge evidence world - bear nOoa the case-- retirement of the Judges. some erWODCD of no nsatsebal consequence t and alter of the Judges was pretionaeod. sod some . comities& thereon took piece, the tritons, evidence had oteseioned the reference to the again called to the bar, lied •contisoed mined.. w►en our paper west to press. was a clerk* the Qvasx's Arse abroad, that VILMACARTI beibed him le give hive 1) her MAJMITY'S papers—and he did Saturday, tin verry ble Jew diamead• arrived is eawa trap Pesaro, to Italy, u the eases. prevails sealiirge twoley, that the Zing dispoe. of Wolin $ Drightu. 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Ti. issa wars Misr Mush la a weak it s• Sisal.. stews la Ireashin. • . -; The Lonn CHaNtELLoa said, that in Lis opinion, it would be better that the Jets ges should consider the third question before delivering their opinions on the two first, as the third :night possibly be cuturcted with them. The amended suggestion of the Noble and Learned Lord was adopted, and the Judges retired for the purpose of considering the question ner. ly submitted to them. Lord K EXTON then roses and said that a gentleman who had given evidence at their Lordships' bar upon the present question had requested him to inform the House, that since giving that evidence, he had•reason to believe he bad made a mistake, which, with the permissium of their Lordships, he would correct. The gentleman in question was Mr. tirenville Sharpe; and tit!, niistake was merely, that in describing the Eastern dance lie had mentioned the Bishop of Calcutta, and his Lord ship as having keen present. Mr. S. had now reason to believe, that neither the Bishop nor his Lady were present. —(:\ laugh.) Mr.ORANV I LLE SHA RPE was then called to thellar, and re-examined by Lord K Exton. He correitted the mistake, anil added, that he helieved he was .correct in naming the other Noble and respectable persons as having been present at the Eastern dance ; and that in all other respects his evidence was perfectly Coffee. Mr. SHARER then withdrew, and Mr. BROCUHAN said, he had to offer in evidence two letters, written by the late King to her present Majesty. He could easily prove the band-writing. Probably sons* Noble Lord who was acquainted with his late Majesty's hand-writing, would be good enough to prove the int e rs thee is hie halal After some passe, the Earl of larea root. resie; awl said, he had Ito objection to be sworn : and his Lordship was accordingly sworn by the Lord Chancellor: The Earl proved the letters to he the hand•writing et the late King. The LORD CHANCELLOR desired that the letters Might be marked by the Clerk of the House, and they were marked accordingly. His Lordship inquired the dates. Mr. BROVIIHAD answered they were both dated from Windsor Castle--the first in April, 17913 ; the seeood Is November ISM. SAMUEL NEMAN, in the absence of the Judges, was pet to the bar and sworn. The Gustiest...ea.—What papers are those von have there t—They are papers describing the service of M. ham Carrington on board the ships therein specified. Are they copies or originals ?—Copies. Are they faithful extracts ?—They are. The Judges returned at within 10 minutes to eleven. The LORD Cater JUSTICE read their opinions from a paper. He said, they had considered the questions pro- Cisby their Lordships with all the attention and ass tysthey deserved, and it was not without some embar rassment. that he then submitted to their Lordships the result of that enquiry. The first question submitted to their consideration Was. if in a trial for a capital offesee, evidence shall be taken, in the cross-examination of a witness for the pre eration, from which it is to be inferred, that the witness C. D. was offered a bribe by A. B, (the said A. B. not Wag a witness In the cause, or a known agent of the pasties,) shall C. H. (though the Counsel for the pros.!e lion object) be brought forward and examined for the defence, relative to his conversation with .1. B. notwith standing that the latter is not acknowledged to be an went for the prosecution? With regard to that paint, their Lordships were of opinion that the question should not be put. The second question that was proposed by Lord Erskine, was answered in the negative. With respect to the third question, they were of opinion that it should be divided into two beads: first, that evidence of a conspiracy could be received, but a ease met be opined upon it. And secondly, that it would tine ba for the consideration of the Judge, whether that 'Aimee would bear upon the case. The Lotto CHAHCELLOR moved, that the eidetic jest delivered should be entered in the Minutes a the House. Tke tirroasie-Ganaa i es. soithebee in the dlseibtegir of the duty which had been cast upon him, in the pro duction of evidence in this case, he had considered It ap (Initial by their Lordships, that they would be gelded by the rules which govern the practice of the Courts below. It was in the discharge of that 'euphemise duty, and to him, personally. that most unpleasant duty. when a question had been pat whirls would net bare born allowed to be put in the Courts below, that be had interposed with his objection. When they had in yesterday, it Was to object to a course of pm mesrary to the prinriples of that lei by which they hose governed. The opinion jest delivered ssi t t sd Aso lb* faucet' Judges supported the objection, which bed hem pat la by his Learned Friend tee bilidellei illeseral. He abash' have no objection to go is We so inquiry into thu conduct a dm gentlemen mewed. EA with the Hiles Commission, because be bow they mould come out from such an inquiry clan of the ha. retatioas which bad been east upon them. For hie own part. if their Lordships thought that the preper:= Ina they were pleased that such an investigations be sed, they were the Judges, and it was be deem he decide . If charges *rib m m made grist **tee patio. mee. most have time* to mire 'videos! ic Mot theme charges. Be trusted that lierilahipa would SW ion s % is the objections he bed seas spas the aches.% as bud sot dose more than hit duty warranted. Mr. 111101 , 4111firt 0614 not uotierstalitle ssb 11117 SIP Wilsey. whet revolutios had been come to. . . lard Larisroot. warhead, that with susp ect Mash} "dry, I. had bees Resat Callous that It eliesbfi s o u plass at a pryer BOWL Whoa as Itavithol e less coning fur p wired it. A krowledge, t he was the ni Aobie Lord ruold not be th. re was a. • Wyly had eon Honourable I DUO' on trial • r - eu'prits, and a_good Mr. P. Mu, 3 . Or Pains and Mr. Cater provision of persts of her went, such ea Mr. Brami destining the The ATTOI Mr. Bs:cal prise that tin --(Loud cries .Id,iolllllld ST. L HUM WAT Morelia' Tat SRITISI ON Es The Fundi lerabiy steatil of money bni jog of the testeriaily i account, has yesterday at I pyre; bat I Ai not been an• e of the n that sonsethis I.:orninons las this nut twin, insrket has c, Two Lisbo ac.astnits Iron every ti joieings conti i.rnments n express that the Fren 7:4. 50c. Thi .4t the writ thr LORD el /leach stated, floe between q•lostions snl quested perusi Provlons, bow Lord Easat: consideration tuasicieu.nn might be t he better th uestion befog reeding, the.l r-turned„ and respell to the t.a.s my ',Am'', riiiience in qv posed by Lore Vise: nod wits a;on that it sh ti at evidence • else 'oust be • would than 1 whether that Darin; the re was received the opinion of discussion con whose evident Judges was iv under mesas The whims w and proves the (Vl:assesses) s•,!!! On Sahara,: • niorehasta at witnesses fee t A report pr is about to dir, .P 0 NEWItIMIC Mentileap Mr. Lobo's Soo Mr. Wyndham% lissartod, Pawl apt I • Sultan. Fifty Posse% Mr. Hooter% ti Mr. Illosmou'a S Imes be. e. tiurlud. dm oust Illoodss. Uorilibritufs 1 U. R.II.tVD Loed Mullislirs I Lord J le t r a v e r i l Ist tit= Y df lasoutsitio at 1 aid the Jean • IL. ease op at s pima. stoat. u.4.i, moieties w.. 1 begins*, is k • . STATESMAN. lions not even a shadow of agency had been peoved, had been attempted to he bruited in, and his de duration made evidence, he had undoubtedly op posed it. Hut ke felt, that whatever degree of agency 'night be proved with regard to Viimacarti, if it would not directly violate the rules of law, he was anxious for a full inquiry into his conduct. The ('pinion which bad been delivered to their Lordships was, according to the admission of the Learned Chief Judge, formed with much difficulty. He understood the Attorney-Oeneral to hare waived tr objection on his part to the admission of the evidence. And fit' himself, he (Lord L.) would say, he was most anxious' that it should be admitted, if Counsel on the other side were allowed the means of rebutting the charges. Earl flair was of opinion that the questions ought now to be put, but certainly not for the reasons which the Noble Earl opposite had laid down. He thought the opinion which had been declared by the learned Chief Judge, perfectly clear and distinct; and if the House were bound by that opiniyn, which in his opinion, it certainly was not, the declaration of the Loaned fur the Bill would influence him in the departing hem it. Neither could he under the grounds which the Noble Lord bad stated, nor ender the misty he had ex pressed, and which he regretted I lid net appear at an earlier period, when it might hare saved a good deal of time and discussion, consent to the questson being put. He had said, that it was a question justifiable with out such reasons, and he was more than ever confirmed in that opinion by . what bad been delivered by the Learn ed Chief Jollities in the name, and by the authority of the other Judges. A question had been pat to them, whether, according to the practice of the courts below, a certain question might be put ; and be j must say the answer to that question was sot at all satisfactory. The Learned Chief Justice had not stated in that elaborate argument by which he supported his owe opinion, what was the practice of the Courts below. He coamived, that he (Lord C. J.) bad stated his opinion with a degree of elaborate argument and length which was wholly uncalled for in that place. He had afterwards concluded by Mating the material fact, that circesestanees arising out of a ease might influence a Judge in departing from the regular practice of the court. He bad said that a case might I arise in which a judge, in the anxiety which he would feel to do impartial justice, would think I it right to admit evidence of such a nature. He , therefore contended, that ender the special sires.- stances of this cast, the evidence ought to be received according to the admission of the Learned Chief Justice hiwseif. Under the circumstances of these especial and extravagant proceedings, the question ought to be pet, and therefore, be humbly moved that it be put forth with. The Loss Cuartrasson said he should net reseed his objectioo is the admissibility of this evidence, were it not that the Learned Jaige who had delivered his opinion against its admissibility. had stated a circus stasce of coosidevable importance. That Learned Judge bad in asnount said this :—" If particular dr cumstaaces 'Wald induce the House to admit the evi dence, the Courts below will not consider that circus"• stance ass falters precedent for them, because they will , believe that the House leaked at those particular sad special circumstances." Now, be (the Lord Chan cellor) was bound to state that la his honest opialoo, tht ease of particular eirounisamso to warrant this 'widow% was mot made out, sod, be therefore, thought that the 'widens* ought set to be received. 1k should Dot, however, press his objection, because be found that his co-oquals it judgment and experience differed from him. He bowed to their opiates, though he could sot but say that he retained his own. Lord Basattra spoke shortly in support of the admis- sibility of the evidence, sad &deeded the opiaion of the Learned Judge. It was well 'mows, sad was stated by the Judge, that whenever a conspiracy was charged, the party ehargtag the conspiracy may begin with moral evidence, and thee fellow it up with particulars. In short, be (Lord B.) could not see how an objection to this 'eldest* could be supported. • The lon. CNA/MELLO* then pet the question that the witness Poseari, should be called back ; and the question was carried In the affirmative without a division. POMARI was then ordered to be called to the Bar; and in a few miaow: he appeared. His examination was thea resumed by Mr. Wylde. The former ques tions and answers of the witness relating to this part of the nee were Ant read evert bat an application by Mr. Denman, that they should be interpreted to him, was refused. You have stated that Vlinward spoke to you about the persons in your employer's ace belonging to her Royal Highness. Did he offer yea any inducement (Sr you to give him those papers ?—He told me he would give me as employment which would bring me more emolument than my resent employer would give. _ _ Dii he state the nature of the 'Employment he would Fire yin f—Yes. in the Police of Milan. Did you do any thing in consequence with any paper of her Royal Highness ?-011 the following day I brought him some papers. Did he say at what time you were to go to his of fice ?--He said the freeing. Did he ameatioa any time ?--After son set. Did you epos any ether oressios take any other papers of her Royal Highness to him ?—1 did. On how many ocessiose did yin take repot" be doughy( sotif Royal Highness to Vilaacarti ?—I don't know hew many irempmestly ?-44. Moat how Aim do you Umiak 1--Seven or eight times at the unmet. Did Vihneeesti knew when you took tbese papers, that roe were s Clerk in the Ake of her Royal Higheese's Agent ?--He did. By whose Anodes* did you take these papers ? I doe% hew the same. Did you have any conversation with Vilaiacarti, sheet taking dins ?-41e told ate to bring at the papers I could gee. Do you receive any thing fees Viloscarti for this ? Tee, money. Hen ellen did yea receive mealy?--six Were yen semis/ with the roomy you received front Vihmasard P--1 was ant.—(A laegh) Did yea ever snake say ceireplaiats to Col. &twee, that Vilsnaesepl had sat rid yea ~sigh for takiag r her keys' 111 'orogen ?—lree, I did ease. what did Oa ireivile ay when yes ceespialar4 ? lie laid se he was Vireararti's Friend, sad that bo mad ass daubs rise Yfll cad avaid prima his premiss 1111 111•• • SW pat is e us of your caniplaiat in Col. )11riserar s ienil his mom wake say mbar aprimatios ss 1 1 .-428 L *mu sow t.o e• etdl she sail day Ili 1111=ibe. W ha s weali owes mat Ibleg Noah I Did you call en Viltnacarti in consequetwe*--Yes• Did yogi receive any wore motley ?--Yes: I dio. Does the witness know to what subj ect t h ese papers related, of which he 'peas.—They were letters. Were there any examination of witnesses ?.--Not aawagst the letters . ; they are letters of her Royal fligh tless, of tiergami, am! others. Were there any depositions or ssatonseats of uitnesses ? No. DOIS he know to what subject these letters related Some of thew. State what he knows —Oar of them was from Rer. gami. in which se said that he would not return to Mi. r au , un l ess those pers•ms, who are in the habit of got! 7 without skein, shou;d go without them again.—( • t laugh.) Lord Omar thought it would he suifii•ient to state ze. penll• that subject of those lettee i . Dan be know a person of the name of Riguti?--- I ie. Did Riganti make application to him about ars. papers ?—•He did. He has been at my house. Did witness tell Vilmacarti about these papa He did. What did Vihnacarti say about these papers applied to sne fur them. I did tint t now Itigant;, 0 ,1 I asked Vihusearti what kind of matt he Wag --11 e had use, he was a man of condition, and desired we to give him sip these papers. What kind of application did Riganti make is re f ., about these papers:—lle asked me to give them total*, and he would give me cash. What papers did Iliganti wish you to give him?_ Papers relative to her Royal llighness. What affairs of her Royal Highness f—The affairs that are now before England. bid Riganti knot% in whose employment you was?— He did, fur he came to my house. Did l'ilinacarti say any thing more about Riganti He told use he was a person of ch'sractrr. Will you describe the kind of house that Colonel Brown had ?—There was a shop both sides of the door. What kind of merchandise was sold there F—Tlsere wu alabasta, and tobacco and snuff. Cross-examined by the Souctrua-Hexteat..—Were you sot in the service of Cbeliui Versali, when you came this country ?---\o. you represent to any one that you were ?—Never. 'bid Versali ever represent to any ono in your pre- MOP that you were in his service ?--Never. Did you know at that time that Volmacarti was an agent for the Milan Commission?—les. Toe told as you saw a person who told you to p to Vilmacarti? I want to know nhether you knew talon re saw that person that Vilmacarti was employed t— ie& Did you then know that your employer had papers belonging to her Royal Highness in his pesesmou ! Yea. they were in my writing-desk. Did you not then as an honest man imam your master of the offer which bad been mad+ you?—No. Did you not conceive it to be your duty to do se?-4 thought I should do no mischief or harm. Do you mean to say that von *ought you could do no harm in delivering the loiters sod documents of her Royal Highness to l'ilenearti ?—Deeements I did out 0 give. I gave letters duly. Do you mean to say thee, that you thought yon should do solar= in delivering the letters of Ler !loyal Mgt ness ?—No, I did not. Did you not eoseeive it to be your daft to inform, your master in order that be enightjudge knout( as to whether it would do barns or not ?-110, I did not tell That is no answer to my eptestion. I ask yea whether yea did not think it yoar slaty ha inform your master of these attempts to corrupt you ?—I believed it was uti lising. Ito you mean by that to my yea thought it Doti* to give up the letters, ale that it was set your ditty to inform year master ?—1 thought it was sty ditty bat I neglected it. Now I beg yea will have the pesulasee le tail as who the person was that called apes yea?-1 don't know Lis name. Where did yen see bias ?—Neer the timers. Did you meet bim by accWent ?—Yes ; I did ast knew him, he stopped me, sod spoke to me. Did Ton not ask bias Cis same trier be prspestd your Firing the papers to Vilma:art' f—l inked kiss kis name, and be told me it was no besieges of mine to know it. When did you see him the mood time?—The lair lowing day. !Myer' meet him by widest the second day ? , --Tes. The same boar ?-1 ea. Did be ripest the same prac d al pot the mood time I—lie asked one whether I thought epee what be had proposed to sae the day before?-1 asowersd I world not do it. Did you see him 'pin ?—No, Then after saying you would not go to Vibauratti. in point of feet von did ?—Yes. Did you ask him his name the second time?—Yes. but he would not tell me. Where did on go with him 7 -He took me as far as his own dem; DW you ever see him spin ?—I saw him OW*. hat I did am see his face. Wad you se curiosity to keow who he was ?-4/ I could haw whole wee. I eestidaly Did you ever iellovribint r-- - Tea, the woad flaw! When ?—As far as thedo or d Vilaseserd. Had yea any papers of her Rays/ lifigbams's in your pocket when be int spoke to yes P—Tise fallowing day brought them with met het I had net any the gem time. Dial yes ever meet his by at:eldest spio ?—Only oars. Did yea speak t. his T—No, I *sly saw Ms back. Was he yosag *l4?-5114We aged. Wbst was kis risspleitos ?—II. had dark hair. Was be stoat or stiierwise?—ilatber Maud. How was he dressed ?---1 ass sot the palates to draw is Oersre.—(A laugh.) ia se aitswe4 I ask yet bow was be dressed ? 461 A knew. _ _ What de pia seas by that. Do yea wan that vea doal seasreaberi-11 do sot rewombet how he was Ire; - • meek be was well dre sse d. hat Ido aos rentraahar paid. cultist. Has ant any one tohl yea when yea came to this Hat to be careful nut to use the .1 sea soi Artois.' the witaess's seowyr " that Ad taw remember" wee I eoaveyeal in Italia, by aa Mama from that et wen gal rieordo?-1 have It Milted shoat sew% , sad I asked whet k uses t. Uhl Vitali not tell yes Is be emir' set to toy it here i—No. Has no one told yea Se some, meetly flea tbat pious ?-1 kaow it hy saria‘ A ro to•A•wa : RAUL Mail 44 111Pebilebel et Or 011 e. et " flirmansair "lreseimartnommo." Pilfer). P 44 h selt• swap IL tiberves= L W 4AIIIIIUb Jui n , 161.111.1 »els.oll 001 w•anifiktms% °Mars. we aeseseesiM be eibleaseee r 1 IP I I