The Statesman. — London, England, 1820-08-23 00:00:00

lIMMINIUNI • Core di : the Prioress dine on that day rlo not h..rr iligiinews diced. but I re r • rob r • ~,aer th.st r was alter 4tituer that this occurred., sf,d it net place in the room in which the Princess oas it. the cliuing-toolu. The Prinve‘a wit% atol'`''n+wicame to take leave of her Royal WIW „ I* on hi% dermelorc, r „, v o, in tin. room :—1 was; there was no one else r esent. /b r e h. r novat istenness slept in the tent on board ship, did she horn a light at night ?—Nn. 11a, the s% i•n..ss hero at the sills (Veste since he left the p r i oc ,...'s .errker ?—lirs. I went front Pesaro to the villa d'f..re. ow t he tt i co direct from Pesaro to the villa al ste ?-1 ,tent direct from Pesaro to d'Este. Haw low , dill the witness remain at the villa d'Este? d o n ot vim-tither. 041 witness retnatu during ...sys or weeks ?-1 think it west be days, hut I do nut remember precisely the sv.t.ober. His witness been at d'Este since that period ?—Yes, I went there a second time. Hoe bust as 'hat after witness's first visit to d'Este, s: ter his dismissal 1-1 do not remember. O'sts it months or weeks after?-1 do not think that m onths elapsed. I wish to know from witness, whether he ever applied. to W readmitted into her Majesty's service after he was t og issol?-1 do not rementber: Did witness ever apply to Count Verson on that sub pct?_tdo nut remember. pro aimess ever apply to Baron Flergami for the par rwerftentg re-admitted to her Majesty's service . —1 i t. Rot remember. Nes witneos remember having made any application et the kind to Louis Bergansi ?—1 do not remember. Did nitness ever apply to Mr. Schavaai to make interest far him with the Princess 3—Yes, I did once. Where was this ?—lt was at a hotel in Italy. When ? —I do not remember. Was it within a week front witness's dismissal from the service of her Royal Highness?—More than months kw] elapsed. Will witness swear that it was not more than half alear after Isis dismissal that this application was made to Mr. Santini; ?—L do not remember the number of months. Dirt the witness ever write a letter on this subject either to Count Versali, Baron Bergami, Mr. Schavani, or to Louis Bergatni ?—No. his my misfortune to know but too little about writing. Did the witness get any other person to write such a letter for him, to any of the persons whom I have named ? —No, to the best of my recollection. When witness made the application to be re-admitted roller Royal Highness's service, was be not refused ?—I do not remember. Were you, in fact, takes back to her Royal Highness's service ?—I was not. Have you ever been taken into the Princess's service siaco?—.After baling at first left her Royal Highness's asevieek 1 sever emceed it again. Did um Sehavani accompany the Princess during the Long voyage of which you have spoken ?—Yes; he was on deck. Was be sot alms on shore with the Princess ?—Yes, no accompanied the Princess on shore also, during the whole time. Daring her Royal Highness's journey by land to Ger many, did not the Countess of Oldi, and the child Vic- Mese accompany her, and navel in the same carriage with her Royal Highness and Bergansi ?—I do not re member. Was Billy Antis In themes, carriage with the Prin ass ?—1 do not remember. Whole Unit did the Princess ocenpy at Carlsrnhe ? —That I cannot tell. Did her Royal Highness live at an inn or in a private koase?—At an Ins I believe. Did sot the Princess reside in apartments at an Inn, which had bees given up for the accommodation of her Royal Highness, by the English Minister?—This I can lot remember. Were William Austin, the Countess Oldi, and the child Victorine at Carisrahe with her Royal Highness? —I do not remember. Will the witness swear that the persons I have named, did not accompany the Princess i-1 remember they did accompany the Princess. During the whole time ?—Yes. Did Dot they go the whole journey with the Princess? —They did. Did not her Royal Highness undertake this journey in order to pay a visit to her cousin the (hand Duke of !laden?-1 remember that her Royal highness did set one for the purpose of going to Baden, Did sot the Elector of Baden visit her Royal Nigh ties% aad did mot her Royal Highness visit his Court at surisrutte:—l do not remember. Do you mean to say that you do not recollect her Royal Highness going to Court at Baden ?—Her Royal Highness did visit the Grand Duke at his Court at Carlsrabe. Did the Grand Doke visit her Royal Highness ?—I am not sure, I cannot sat. Was the English Minister seen in company with her Royal Highness at Carlsruhe ?—This I do not recollect. Does the witness know the name of the English Mi nister then at Carlsrohe ?—i do not remember it. Witness spoke of some changes having been made in ilst Villa d'Este during her Royal Highness's voyage ; does he not remember that a new wing was added to the house daring that period 2-1 do not . remember. Dees the witness mean to represent to this Court that he does not know whether a new wing was added to the Villa d'EsteduAng his and his Royal Mistress's absence? —4 do not remember whether a new wing was added to the house. But the witness perfectly recollects the little alteration made in the deer leading between two apartments in that house ? The SnuctToatlemeeeL—Witneee, when asked about the alterations, said that he did not recollect them. Mr. BROCONAM-1 moat pot the question i.. another . shape. At the time when the sports or tricks were exhibited by SI ailouset, was Dr. Holland present:--1 do not re member. Will you swear that he was not ?--1 did not see him. Could be have been present without your seeing him ? The &mitt roe-OCR IRA L—Mv Erie nil, Mr. Brougham, tirget• that Dr. Holland left her Royal Higbee's at Voider, and that this circumstance occurred some time after. Witness-1r did mit see Dr. Holland. Willist witness swear that Captain Holman iras not present what t exhibited those tricks ?-4 . 4p r e ...,.., teat L oat see him; 1 cannot say wh he was or I'S . there. Who was pes p zt o t we eside yourself, her Royal fli e g# l and the black r?----1 saw the Princess, and Mahomet willrby awn eyes.' • Who sent fee 1111nboosst to perform on this occasion ? —To that 1 cattat4 Onyx , t Id, p{ It og'fe. Were yos so as that her Itoya Highness wildor ion sadj at the Milt Utast—Her Royal i = 11 i choose est allsair. but Bergasal wild. Was the pediniillise la a room ?-41 was las court. Uld any wheel*, op .n into that court t.--All the win dows of the apdrtments opened into it. Where were you placed ?----1 stood Dear the door which leads to the Lake. THE STATES] Where was ber Royal Highness &are.: -lie/ Royal Highness was at the window eirlo of her bed-room or her rahinet ; 1 do out remember which. Where was Mahoinet —lle was coining out of the stable when 1 first saw him. 11)ii! Malt t stand at the door to perform ?—He stood near the window of her Royal Highness. Wan Maboinet's barb turned to you ?-11e .tood rather aside from me, but he faced the window where her Royal Highness stood. Were you 9ft the same side of the court at whirh her Royal Highness was ?-1 wa4 nearly on the satue aide; Mahomet was looking to the Princess's window. Was the door at which you stood, at the saute side of the court with the window at which the Princess stood? —No; her Royal Highness stood at a window on one side, and the door leading to the lake, was on the other side. Mimeses here described the co►uparative situ ations of the door leading to the lake, and the window at which tlw Princess stand, by pointing to the different sides and corners of the !louse.) Then you were neatly opposite to her Royal High ness ?—I was at the door boding to the lake. And from the position in which yon stood, you could see her Royal Highness ?—1 could more than see her. I stood at the door and she was in the window. And yet the Princess could not see you; will you swear that ?—The Princess could see ►ue, but I do not know whether she did or not. Who ordered Mahoutet to play those tricks ?—1 do not know. For any thing you knew there may have been other persons in the room with her Roya l Highness at this time ?—Tbere might, but I could not see any others, I saw her Royal Highness looking out of the window, but 1 did not see any other persons. Did witness see Mahoniet play tricks'on any other oc casion ?—Yes, at the Villa Barons. Wu her Royal Highness present then?—Yes. Were any other persons present ?—ies, the people of the family. Men and womett ?—Yes, the footmen, coachmen, stll. lions, and persons belonging to the kitchen—the people of that sort who were shout the house. Now Wits you were dismissed from the service of bur Royal Highness, you say you went into the service of (We could nut catch the !lathe.) Were you in the service of her Reiyal Highness when the affair of Ompteda took place ? The SOLICITOR-tieNIIRAL-1 object to that question, it is assuming a fact, of which the witness has not yet stated his knowledge. Examination continued. Does witness recollect having seen the Baron Ompteda at her Royal Highness's residence ?-1 do not remember that name. f id the witness, the year before the long voyage, of which 1 have spoken, see a Berman Baron at the Villa d'hste, or elsewhere ?-1 saw a Karon at 41ati Villa Vii lani, 1 thought he was a Prussian. Will the witness state the name of thatlitiron as nearly as he can recollect it, or will lie at least tell as what it was like ?-1-cannot remember the ;rime, it was an ex- , ex traordinary! name. He was called the Baron—Baron— I Baron something, 1 cannot recollect what. Wu this Baron frequently at the house of her Royal Highness?—As far as 1 recollect, he came twice; 1 can not swear whether lie tame oftener. Why does witness recollect this Baron?-1 do not know. Did ant , thing oceor which made a nnige in her Royal Highness s family connected with this Baron?—l do not remember. During witness's service at villa d'Eate or villa Villasi does he recollect any examination of a blacksmith or I locksmith respecting the picking of leeks or keys? -1 do not remember. Or the making of false keys?-1 do not remember. Did witness never hear of any such thing in the fa mily ?-1 do not remember ever having heard of such a thing. Does witness not recollect a quarrel having taken place between Captain Huhruan and the Baron while be remained at her Royal Highness's house?-1 have heard, of the quarrel, but I do not know what caused it. About what time did witness hear this?-1 do not re member the time. Was it before or after the long voyage of which wit ness has spoken ?-1 do not remember. About how long was it before witness left her Royal Highness's service, and did weeks, niunths, or years to tervene ?-1 do not remember. Does the witness mean to say that he does not know whether a week or two years elapsed ?-1 do not re asember. Do you recollect what company came to the theatre at rade, where you say the Princess performed twice ? I do not know. Did the witness ever see the Prefect of Gums, Mr. Toinasi, and his lady come to the theatre ?—1 do not remember. Did witness ever see the 31r. Mochetta, a Professor from Milan, at the Princess's house ?—Yes. Does the witness mean at the villa, or at the theatre? —I have seen him on a visit to her Royal Highness, but I do not know whether he attended the theatre or not. Did the witness see General Hubner. the Austrian Commandant, at the Princess's house ?-1 remember he visited her Royal Highness once. Does witness remember General Pino having visited the Princess?-1 recollect his coming once i 1 cannot state whether be came more than once. He might have done so. but 1 do not recollect it. Did you wait at table during dinner ?—I did. And will you take upon you to say, that you do not know, whether General Pino. your old master, did not dine with her Royal Highness more than once ?-1 re collect his dining once and only once. Do you know the person of the Prefect Tomasi ?- 1 do. Will yon say whether he and his lady did not dine at the Princess's table more than once ?-1 do not re member. Does witness mean to state, that they did not dine there at all, or that they only dined thereon° , ?—1 only remember their lining there once. They might have dined there oftener, but 1 de not remeinher it. Did not the persons who visited her Royal Highness, take a part indiscriminately in the Plays which were acted at the Theatre ?-1 do not remember. A delay here twin took place, proceeding from the interchange of tickets. • We fear that some part of the examination has necessarily escaped us. Examination continued. Did the witness see any person in tile play but the princess and fiergami ?—That he does net know. The nsomt be entered, be saw no person but 'the - Princes! and &qgami. Did Capt. Homan take a part in the play?-Witness don't recollect. Did Cavalette attend ?—Witness did not recollect. What description of comedy was it ?—W itness does not know. When to entereckßergarni was in a sailor's dress, planing thn_ buffoon. Shortly after be entered Bertrand vosi the Princess went away. Did Maims% exhilPit his dance at the comedy? —Wit nese did ant recollect. After the witness left the terries of the Iciness of Wales. lotto whose service did he go ?—Witswes went to service in the bowie *film Marquis Marestalehi: How long did the witness remain is the house of the Marquis Marescalchi ?—For nearly a year. Was the witness all that time in Italy ?—rto, be semi part of the time in Ilermany. How long had. he been in Germany ?—For two or three months. He was not precise ;it might be a few days more or Iris. How long was witness with the Marquis at Vienna?? —Six or seven months. What wages had the witness from the Marquis Mare ecalchi ?—At Milan he had fifty soldi per day, at Vienna _ he had four Milan here.. • How many soWi in a Milan Here ?--Twenty soldi (Uhi). Was the rise in his wages in consequence of his living at an hotel ?—The rise in his wages was iu consequence of his not receiving any dinner at Vienna. How mach wages did her Royal Highness the Prin. ress of Wales pay the witness ?—He received from her Rnyal Highness 29 ducats in three months. How much does each ducat contain ?—Each ducat contains six litres and a half of Milan. Had the witness 29 ducats in three months, besides his living all the time and being supported at the table of the Princess?—Yes. Hail he any other advantages besides did not remember. Was her Royal Highness kind to all her servants?— She was kind and familiar to all her servants. When he received 50 soldi a day from the Marquis of 51arescalchi, was he obliged to find himself ?—Wit nese slid not get meat, he got a sort of soup called boteltpot. Di 4 the witness save money, did he save a little for tes*. out of the wages he hat( (ruin her Royal Highness? —Yea, be did, he put by seven hundred-litres. Daring what time ?—During three years. Did the witness save any thing out of the 50 soldi a day which he had from the Marquis slarescalchi P—By economy he saved a little for his tinnily. What sloes his family consist of?—A wife and two daughters. how old are the daughters P—One was nine years old, the other two years or two years and an half. About what time did the witness quit the service of the Marquis Marescalehi, at Vienna?—About three years ago. Into whose family did the witness go from the Mar quis Merescalchi ?-11e went to the service of the Am. btmetdor at Vienna. There are many Ambassadors at Vienna, was it into Ilse family of the English Ambassador lie went ?—Yes, le was to the English Ambassador's. What was the name of the English Ambassador ? lord Stewart. Did witness go into the service of Lorii Stewart as a steward, a postillion, or a lackey ?—Lord Stewart gave him only his subsistence. Was the witness in any capacity in the service of Lord Stewart—was be attached to the embassy as pri vate secretary or what else?-11e was not a Secretary, he was with the Ambassador, and got something from him. • Was the witness there as a private friend ?—No. When first did the witness see his Excellency the English Ambassador at Vienna ?—He does not recol lect ; he saw his Secretary first. What was the name of the Secretary ?—l)urini. Was be an Englishman or. au Italian?—Witness does not know. In what language did he speak to the witness?—ln French. Does the witness know a Colonel Browne ?-11e does. What countrymen is Colonel Browne ?—lle does not k now. In what language did he talk with hint I—la Preach. Whet did the witaess first see Colonel Browne at Mi lan, was it whilst be was in the service of Marquis Nlarescalchl P—No. In whose service was lie when he first saw Colonel Browse ?—At the time he was not in the service of any one; he had left the service of Marquis Marescalchi. Did the witness mean to say that he had left the fa mily of Maiescalchi, and went a second time to Vi euna? —Witness left Vienna, and went to Milan to Co ' lend Browne. Did the witness go to, or with Colonel Browne to Vi- MISS ?—He went to Colonel Browne. Who did the witness go with from Milan to Vienna? — Witness went to Vienna with his father. At what time did witness go from Milan to Vienna with the Marquis 3larescalchi ?—lt was on the 13th of August, three years ago. Does he mean the year 1817 ?—Yes. At what time did the witness leave the service of the Princess of Wales ?—la the year lsl7. At what month in the year?—He does not remember. Was it in summer or in winter?—it was in the begin ning of outuuter—it was daring the summer. How long after witness left the service did he go to the Marescalehi family at Vienna?—About five or six months. Why did the witness return to Milan from Vienna?— He came to Milan to Colonel Browne. Who accompanied witness ?—His father. At this stage of the examination the Lord Cu tsrcet &on intimated that four o'clock, the hoar of adjourn- Rent, had arrived. Mr. Butouonast—My Lords, may I implore of the House [murmurs, and cries of " No, nor] Mr. fitment, A M—My Lords, allow me humbly to im plore you to reflect well before you stop short at so critical a period of the cross-examination. The Lord eIIaNCIILLOR asked how long was the cross examination likely to continue? Mr. MINION fie replied, that though he might be able to say how soon be could conclude an examination in chief, the cross-examination must in a great degree de rad on the answers that the witness gives. As a sulk ier testifies of this he begged to observe to their Lord ships, that one unexpected answer which had been given made it necessary for him to make a digression which lasted for half an hour—(here there was a cry of "Do on, go ea!"—and the cross-examination proceeded.) Who seecompanied witness from Vienna to Milan ? His father accompanied him. Who sent his father to Vienna to witness?—lie does not know. What is his father ?—He is a carter. Does he carry from Milan to Vienna and back ?—No. How did it happen that his father paid witness a visit to Vienna P—His father came to Vienna to tell witless to go to Milan. Did he go there with his cart ?—Nts. • 'At the tame that his f a ther came to Vienna, was the witness In the Ambassador's service?—He was not. • Was witness living at the Mebane/dee's bottle?--No. Waa it daring that time lie was supported by the Am bassador t—AW. la whose service was the witness then ?-Lln the service of the Marital. Maresealchl. Did be we Colonel Browse as Milan did. Wby ( did the witness leave the service of the Marquis of Mareakilchi, and go back with his titbit, the re• spoetoble Garter, to Milan?--His fstber:tioeived Mos to go be Mier with him, and be west.with Did the witness go to Milan oat of the mere reaped I bore to his father?—No, his father duelled him to go itb him to Milan, because Colonel Browse *anted to elk with Min. Did not the witness represent on that ocesseimesidiat i bread depended on his place is, the 'weekw if tit*, rquis Marescalcbi ?—He did. Rot still when he desired willeri to go to to speAk to Colonel Browse, he unit to speak to Colonel litrorne?—lies. Did the witness, when he was told that Colonel Browse wanted to speak to him. leave his service and place to go to Colonel Browne?—(Here some manners were heard from the Lords.) Mr. HROI*GHAIMI, with mach animation. addressed their Lordships:—" My Lords," said lie, " in every Cons of Justice this line of croft-examination is permitted, and it is essential to the ends of justice, easy lives have depended on the chance of a cross-examination ; at the Old Bailey many lives have been saved by this line of cross-examination, the lives the cheroots,. •&WA be honour of every man might ad on it. Ile haw be fore his eyes two Noble Lordi r t e tto had *daft saved the lives of individuals by adopting this IDOCIS of cross examination—(Hear, hear, and cries of "go oar) The cross-examination proceeded. Did the witness, when be was told that Colonel Browne wanted to speak to him, leave his seevies and place •,. go to Colonel Browne?—When his father told him •o, he went to Colonel Browne. If his father desired him to go to Colonel Black, would he leave his service in the same manner? The Sometroll-UENERAL objected to this question. Mr. Mimosas,. said lie would not. argue the past. Did the witness's father ever before desire witness to go to Colonel Browne, or Colonel any ono ebo?—Neect iVitness's father never spoke to him to go to any other person. Had the wines ever seen Colonel 810,1111 before he Went to speak with him?--Never. How did witness support himself antis journey from Vienna to Milan, in order to speak to Ceiheuel Browne —Witness's father paid his expences. Had his father made a private fortune by the lucrative trade of a carter ?—He has not. Did the witness and his father live comfortably on their journey to Vienna to speak to Colouel Brownt —He wanted nothing. In what kind of a carriage did they go ?—ln a small Curtin. When they welt to Milan did his father introduce witness to Col. Browne, to say that he Mlle to speak to him ?—Yes. Did the witness complain to Col. Browne of the loss he sustained in giving np his good place and a good master ?—He does not remember. . Did he make any bargain with the Marquis Maree oahiii as to his returning to him after he se* Colourt Browne does not remember. Has the witness a doubt that he made no such bar gain with the Marquis Mareecalchi ?—ile dues not re :umber. Did he go back to the Martinis ?—Yes. When did he go back to his service ?—He went not into his service, but the Marquis sent for him to go wit A him to Hungary. Did he go as a private friend into the family of Ae Marquis Marescalchi ?—He was asked by the Marquis to go into Hungary as a cook for three months. Did he receive any wages as a cook for those three months from the Marquis —He received so wages, hot the Marquis made him a present. How long did he remain in Hungary ?—For that months, or three months and a half. Was the Marquis a friend of the English Ambas.e. dor ?—Witness does not know. Did he ever see the English Ambassador at hishonse ? —lle did not. How long was it since he tame home from hie trip to Hungary with the Marquis Marescalchi ? —Last year, after the month of August. As he had no wages from the time be went to Maas from Vienna, to the time he went back to the Marquis Marescalchi for the purpose of going to Hungary, bow did he support himself ?—The Ambassador gave him somethir • to live on. lIIK Did the Ambassador give him every thing he 1,45441, om the time be left Vienna to go to Milan with Lis father ?—He does not recollect— Neu mi ricordo. Did witness or his father par the expel:cis on this comfortable journey to Milan ?—klia father paid the ex peaces. Did they travel with post-horses or by currino ?—By post. Did they return so ?—No. How did they return to Vienna ?—By currino. Who gave witness money to pay for his emplaces back ?—Col. Browne. Did witness's father go back to Milan?—He did. Is witness's father in this country at present?—He And his wife ?—Yes. And his family ?—No. What square . does the witness live in in London = He cannot tell the name of the place. How •'id he come to the House of Lords that day "-- Did he walk or come in a carriage ?—He came on tcw How many streets did he go through ?—He ascertain. - • How many minutes was be walking from his res;deti,e or hotel to the place in which he then stood b r Abuat ten minutes. Who came with him ?—A Gentleman ',howl he dues not know. Does witness's father live in the same hotel with Mn' —Yes. • Does any body else ?—Yes. About bow many others ?—lle does not know. Will he swear that there are seventy ?—He cannot tell because he does not know. Are they all Italians ?—tie does not know, be never asked. Is there any other person with the witness at the hotel but his venerable father and his amiable wife!? The Lord CHAncsuAin objected to the Learned Gen tleman putting the question in this shape. Are there any other Italians in the same place ?-4 be lieve so. Have you any doubt ?—Tbere are other Italians. Are there any waiters at the ion ?—1 do not know. Do you know the same of the inn ? The Souctroa-Ozase RA L objected that the Learn.l Counsel had assumed the place was an ipn, and was pul ting questions founded upon that assumption. which was irregular. Mr. Bast:Guam agreed to put his question in another shape. is it an inn ?—I do not knew. 1 Is - there a sign ?—1 de not know. Have they ever brought in a bill for you to pay ?-.-Ni. Have you ever paid any bill ?----Not yet. ,• • "Are yo er pay yeerself fee your entertainment at the ran?--1 have not liven asked before ;I do co t know- I ask you whether you ere to pay ?—I e keow. Mire you ever la samba place balers, Mier* you did vot two* wise waa se vay ? . 'Before the &wirer lxiet, tires. 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