The Statesman. — London, England, 1823-02-01 00:00:00

111M111111 CARMARTHEN COUNTY MEETING. AGRICULTURAL tiormiass. A Meeting of the Freeholdersofthe county of Calmar tben, was held at the Shire Hill, in the town of Carmar then on Tuesday, the2tith of Jan., to take into considera 4ion the eimprlety of petttionieg Partionoont to adopt measures for the relief of the agricultural interests from • the onparalleled distress under which they at present labour.• The lion. G. Rice, M. P., Sackvi& Gwynne, Eeq., Walter Rice, Esq , W. R. H. Powell, Esq., J. G. 'H. G. Williams, Esq , J. G. Philips, Esq., John Saun ders, an d I other Oefstlemen accustomed to • inteteit to 'behalves in the political affairs of the county were preient:_, • The Moe EMMY, (J. H. Bevan, Esq.) opened the ' business of the Meeting. The Requisition was read be the Deputy Sheriff. Mr. ' T. Jones,it was signed by thelfonourable George Rice, M. P., John Jones, Esq. M.P., and several Gentlemen re • sident in the county. • S. OWYPINR, Req. of Olaolinine Park, in submitting the Resolutions which be held in his hand, to the meet ing, was *Ware that the duty had devolved on one who felt that he wlervety inadequate to do justice to a goes. lion of such importance ro the landed interest; lie beg ged to propose a few Revolutions which- be hoped would meet the approbation of the Meeting. These Resolutions stated that that the agricultural interest laboured nn • der aoparalleled distress, and that it was expedient to petition Parliament for its relief. The SHERIFF, after reading the Resolutions, was pro . ceeding to take the sense of the Meeting on each of them ; when The lion. Mr. Rica said, as lie understood that other ' Gentlemen had Petitions to propene, it would be advise • able thar they should introduce them. Theßesolntions being Again read,tl.e fleet of them, stat ing the Agricultural Distre s s, was adopted by the meet ing, and Mr. Gwynne proposed a petition to the Corn monsiennded °pow it. It was seconded by J. 0. H. 0. Williams, Eq. of Llynywnrmood. W'atatiaßice s Esq. of Llwynybrsin, moved another petition as an amendment, which, he said, prayed for a repeal of those taxes which pressed so heavily on the agricultural interest, and that personal property should be made liable to contribute, with the landed interest, towards the support of the poor, so that money may bear its proportion in the maintenance of the poor, alike use ful to every class of the community. He complained that ',telexes were not borne in equal proportion by the fended with the agriculture! interest. A man, although passessi .1 of 100,0001. may live in private lodgings, and pay little or no taxes. His petition embrace.l not only these individuals, but .also those who go to foreign countries to expend their incomes. They ought to pay towards the expenses of the State, as well as the rest • dent gentry. A reform in Parliament was neeresary, : soil should a meeting be called for that purpose, be ice • taioly would attend. Members of Parliament ought to a: tend to the ;leered* of their constituents. G. 'Nome*, IE4. saidelie hoped some gentleman of consequence would have produced a petition calculated to overt the question, and suggesting the proper reme dies for the great mud unparalleled distress, but as no one hail done so. lie would exercise his right as a free. holder, by propelling a petition, which, in his judg ment, went to the root of the evils. In much of the preceding petitions be cordially agreed, though there were SQUIC things hedisapproved ; but his great objec tion to them was, that they did not go far enough. lie trnsted the qnestioo would:be discussed upon its merits, and deprecated all clamour upon so grave a subject. • The causes of their distress he stated to he, the wars in ti hich the country bad been engaged during the whole of tl:e late King's reign. Upon the justice and policy of those wars, he declined off Aug any opinion. They r;gh', bon ever, be justly termed unfortunate, inasmuch as they tali entailed inch all enormous debt upon the rourtisy. The other canoes were those enumerated in his petition, among others, the profligate expenditure of the public money, and the injudicious resumption of cash payments; but the great cause was the defective . state of the House of Common., in which the minister of the day could al ware command a majority. In the pre sent Lord Grey's celebrated petition, it Was stated, and • offered to be proved, that 15,000, persons out of a popu lation of seventeen millions, returned a majority of the snesebers for England a tol Scotland. It appeared also 1y ether returns, that 800 members were returned by Peers,- 187 more by Ministers and fen Commoners, • • leaving only 171 who were rebutted by the people.--(He srasliere aalled to crier by Major Mansel, who objected that Parliaitientare Reform was not included in the Re , Thomas Dowered, that the words of the itegelaitioo arere eQeral, "to consider of the proper i • measures for ilia relit( of the distress, far,;" and Reform he gopideres t iiq be one of those sneasnres. But Colonel l • Gwynoe, Mr. W a alter Rice, ind othei Gentlemen, et. Pesti that Reform, slwly' bo discussed at a it•parate Mielifti e 2odproutizing to sigh a Requisition and attend, 'am ThOiliat screed to wave that question. Mr. Thomas reemped by pointing out the proper retro.- slit., all of efreiembodied to the Petition ultimately passed. One plitiedler feet, to ,hew the tremendous in crease of the public burdens, he impressed upon the Meeting with great earnestness, viz. that by Parliament • airy documents it appeared that the expense of collecting the taxes at the close of his late Majesty's reign exceeded • the interest of the national debt at its commencement After several other einem' ions, he concluded by thank ing the %fret* fdr the palence with which he had been ..ar-I, and by preposing his Petition, omitting the clause fur Parliamentary Reform. ' The lion. 51rflitcc proposed to the Sheriff that the Pe•itions should be put to the Meeting in the order in which they wereinoved. Mr. Gwystata said that for the sake of unanimity, he would withdraw his Petition. The Honourable Mr. Rica suggested, that the differ ent Gentlemen who moved anti seconded the two last Petitions, should retire to the Council Room, and em body the material contents of the two Petitions in one. On the retatn of the Gentlemen, Mr. Rica brotteht lip the Petition as altered, and hoped it would meet the snanimous approbation of the Gentlemen present. The following, after a few alterations suggested by different gentlemen, is a copy ; t "TO TIER GONOURADLE THE COMMONS OF THE UNITED Sit:ODOM OF GREAT BRITAIN AND IRELAND, IN PARLIA MENT ASSAMBLED. "The humble Petition of the Nobility. Gentry, Clergy, and Freeholders of the County of Carmarthen. " Humb!y sheweth.—That your Petitioners, yielding to none jt loyalty to their King. or in love to their country, lave at all times during the late protracted war, borne with cheerfulness the burdens imposed upon them towards its maintenance and support, trusting that at the termination thereof. 'depute measures wonld have been taken by your Honcurable House to lighten those burdens which did then press heavily upon, but which now are become insupport able to, the whole agricultural interest of the United King dom. " Your Petitinners accrihe their *eternities to the mt.: mous increase of our Civil and Military )f►stablisbments, to• the exorbitant expenditure of the public money, to the over• wheitnir4 pressure of taxation flowing from the above• causes, to the injudicious resumption of cash payments without reference to our dimwit, difficulties, or contracts between individuals entered Into during the prevalence of a debased paper currency. " Your Petitioners therefore humbly pray, that your !To ' unlivable House will take into its immediate consideration • the shock which mast convulse thi State when laud shall 'ease to make any return ; a position by no weans proble matical, should the landed interest continue its depressibn ilk.- 1..-_ , . • , • 'x+:,2o : . iTA' for two yeses to collie, ioithe jecojarrtirn already e4eriMceti for the feta two yetis. " Your Petiti - mers humbly bnt earnestly recommend that ,the establishments of the country, both civil and military, lie reduced as near the scale of the year 171}2, as may be found consistent with public safety. " That all useless places, and all pensions and sine cafes obtained without acknowledged public services, be abolished. " That the strictest economy be oh d in the collection end management of the Revenue, and in every department of the public service. "That the Taxvs on Malt, 'fops, Leather, Soap, and Candles, and also the Assessed Taxes, be repealed, and a modified Property Tax be substituted in their stead, and that personal property be made liable to contribute with the landed interest towards the support of the poor, so that money may bear its proportion in the maintenance of that• poor, alike usefel to every class in the community. " And lastly, that you will be pleased to reduce the legal interest of money to Four per Cent.; and to postpone the total resumption of Cash Payments beyond the period now fixed by law." The SHERIFF called for a slew of bands, which were held up by all the ltentlemen present for the Petition, with the exception of two. The Hon. Mr. Rice, we be lieve, slid not vote at all. The SHERIFF read a letter from John Jones, Esq. M. P. for the Borough, lamenting I:is inability, from se vere illness, to attend. Mr. liwyx we moved that the Petition be preseated to the House of Lords by the Right Honourable Lord Dynevor, and to the House of Commons by Mr. Rice, and that the Members for the county and county borough be requested to support the same in the Commons, The Hon. Mr. Rica proposed a vote of Thitnks u to tbo Hlgh Sheriff for his alacrity in calling th e. Miejidg, end for his impartial conduct in the Chair. The Meeting was one of the largest and most reeves!. able we have seen for some time to this county, and throughout a strong desire was manifested by the differ ent Gentlemen that unanimity should prevail. •al. MAILS. DM ARC I Dublin - 0 2 Holland - 2 iVeserford 0 7 Hanabro' O O. & Jersey I 0 France O Lisbon 0 0 Flanders • Gottenhure - 0 0 Brazil PRICE OF STOCKS TiII Bank Stock DAY AT ONE O'CLOCK. Indin Stock . 23113 ... 3 per Ct. Red ....70 NI I Ditto Bones .. 30s 32si. pin. 3 per Ct. Cons 731 73 South Sea Stork ... ...... 34 per Ct. 4 per Cents ' • 93Iiii EK -11.11441 * ?Its 12s spm. New Fours 93 i lii 1 1061 W. ~,..2 ,". ..... 3 per Ct. 171Y7. Long Ann.. Imp. 3 per Ct.... .. ...... ICon.for feet 73;4 Irish a per Cents. I hotteryTickets Mkt *tatkontait. LONDON: SATURDAY EVENtNO, YEDDUARY 1, 19t3. • ROL' RBON WAR. The papers of this morning announce a dreadful erath upon the Stock Excliauge.—lt is said, in the way o rumour, that it is the great devil of all. We imagine/ however, that lie has been toe cunning.—We beg our readers to observe that all this ruin, which, let it be ob• served also, has arisen from gains niade by the French ; we beg thew to observe, that all this would have been prevented, if the STaresstax bad been attended to, in. stead of the .Ifm.niag Claro:tiele and the jobbing stupid Old 'fines. This vile old thing of yesterday :attempts to defend ittel against the skergeslsish—we.satly ?re' ferted against it the day before. It says that it was not it'sji/u/t:if it was in error. What, then, it will blame God Almighty, I suppose h for having made it stupid.— No, no It is not it's fault for being stupid, for being ignorant, for saying that there would be peace and not war. It is not it's faith: the fault is, in t hose who read it; and are stupid enough to believe in it. The Morn ing Chronicle does not pretend that people ought to have read it. It holds it's tongue upon the subject, and that is the best way. The Morning CAronigle and the Ca• vage Old Times appear to be in a great rage with the King of France. And they do not spare terms and epithets which they bestow on the Om Gentleman. Tailcr . Stewart and Barber Mudfurd of the Courier re• commend the French Ambassador to have them prose silted by the Atiornsy General: Oh ! no ! Leave them to the public! The delusion which the Old Times has practised as to this matter; the ruin it has occasioned, will be a sufficient punishment to this erasy old paper. As for the Morning Chronicle, we pity it. But the au dacity of ilia Old 'Times, in pretending that it did not predict Peace, surpasses every thing: That old paper of yesterday morning quotes one of it's paragraphs to skew that it did not predict peace. But,in the first place, the shuffling 011 Thing refers to a paragraph of thefourth of Dec. This paragraph itself only says that France was left at liberty by the Congress to du what she pleased, and that her inclinations were to go to war.— But. after this, that paper put forth falsehood upon falsehood, second edition upon second edition, and worked in all manner of ways to the ruin of those, who held stock, and who held upon an expectation of peace. Up to almost the very last moment it laboured to lead these n retch?* beings on to their ruin. We have here a practical proof of the terrible injury done to the public by a newspaper like this. Let the public now look back at the conduct of the STATESMAN, during these three months of deeply interesting political speculation This paper, really worthy of it's name, first began by pub ing a concise, comprehensive, clear and correct view of the state of France. This was done in August, as soon as we saw the Congress about to assemble at Verona. Theo, as soon as the views of the Congress began to leak out, we showed our readers what were the interests of the Congress and what were the interests of France. We showed them also, the want of power in this mill stoned Nation,to prevent the pursuing of those interests. The conclusion we drew was, that the French would .invade Spain: and for three whole months we have had to combat the fully and the obstinacy of the other public prints. Those Stockholders who have believed us, have been saved. Those who hare believed the Old Times have been ruined. This Old Paper put out one second edition, for the express purpose of show ing that there would be no war.-ob, no ! There is no need of prosecutions by the French Ambassador: the public will take care to inflict the proper punish ment. It is not the fault of the Old Times that it is stupid, or that it's stupidity produces ruin. The fault is altogether is those.that read the Old Thidg. - --_~ ~,_.,.- .agar.fior DUE. 0 I • • • I 0 - - o . 0 . ~t ~~ TESS WELLESLEY AND Dil EN. For some time past, no small part of the colnnins of the net: spapers have been filled with matter arising out of the bottle adventure at the Dublin Theatre. Doubt. less the fellows that threw the bottle and the bit of wood, were most audactou■ blackguards; and they ought to hive had some pretty severe correctional punishment inflicted upon them ; though we should have no scruple to say that a punishment like that inflicted on the isms 'cent literrn would have been a great deal too severe. To call them traitors and assassins was so hyperbolical as to make one laugh, at that which fairly called for our I serious indignation. The Meeting and addressing work was perfectly contemptible; it was even Pen Menem lON'S affair in burlesque ; and Paa's affair will be a standing jest for ages to come.—Several of the public officers called upon to convene Meetings, have refined to do it ; and one of them has &Hedged, as a ground for his refusal, the decision of the Dublin Grand Jury.— Thus has the country, the distracted Island of Ireland , been tranquillized by the person in whose wisdom, h. berality and energy, Sir FRANCIS BURDITT had so much confidence, that he was willing to entrust him to govern the *Gantry by martial law! —Recently, an Orangeman by the name of THOMAS HAMILTON, has mitten what tbey call a menacing letter to Mr. PIXNESTT, the At torney General. To be sure, it is a eery impudent letter. And the rage of the writer seems to have been kindled by the Attorney General having, very properly we dare say, prevented the fellow from getting a place under the Government. He tells the Attorney General that he has prevented him from getting a situation, and has thereby destroyed, perhaps, his prospects for life. That is to say. this impudent varlet having conceived the design to lire upon the people all his life time, has had the design frustrated by the Attor. 'any General ; and, on this account, he takes the liberty to abuse bins, and to send him what amounts very nearly to a Challenge, taking, for the ground of his attack, ex. pretsione made use of by the Attorney General, during a speech in Court; which speech Hamilton chooses to look upon as an attack upon all Orangemen, of which he says his father is one. The Attorney General, in his affidavit, denies this application of his words; and says, that his words app:ied only to the persons connect ed with the late outrage. As the Attorney General swears this, we must believe it to be true; bat we be lieved, with the Morning Chronicle, that the words did exceed themselves to the whole of the Orange faction, embodied and formed with lodges as such.—However, this is of little importance, compared to that larger view of the matter, uhieh these strifes and bickerings induce us to take. What are the Orangemen of Ireland? They are only some of the most active, most resolute, and most bigotted of the Protestants of Ireland. It is perfectly notorious, that these men care no more for the colour of the Orange than they :do for the colour of the Lemon. They care no more for the memory or the cha racter of KING Wttrasx, than they care for the memory or colour of his horse. It was in William's reign that their sway over the Catholics was settled and consolida ted. That reign gave them immense property in Ire land, and the exclusive enjoyment of public power and emolument. It is for this that they adore the =Merry of )Sing William, that they dress up his statue, drink to his memory, and play all their other Orangemen-tricks. They do not wish to do any thing oppressive to the Catholics, beyond that which is necessary to secure to them this property and these powers and emoluments. All the strife that has arisen has, therefore, arisen from the endeavours which have been made to better the lot of the Catholics. The Orange-lod i kes, themselves, arose out of the relays. tion of the law in favour of the Catholics. Do we, there• fore, say that the law ought not to have been relaxed ? Certainly not; but we do say, that there was not, and that there is not any middle course. It is the mid dle course that creates all the strife ; and even his Ma jesty's personal interference, however benevolent the intention, was caculated not to rec oncile the parties, but to widen the breech between them. This is our opinion ; and we do not give it without having very maturely considered the matter.—To concede little points to the Catholics, can only tend to alarm, to rouse, to irritate and to imhitter the Pro testants, who _have really all the substantial power in their bands. Unjust as we deem it not to relieve the Catholics ; not to better their situation ; we know that it would be much better to leave them in the state in which they were seventy years ago, than to attempt to relieve them by degrees. The number of Protestants is so small compared to the number of the Catholics that these latter must have a complete mastership ; or they can retain no payer at all; or, at least, nothing like that predominant power which they at present posses!. We, therefore, deem the Policy which, to all appear- MICA`, LORD WELLESLEY is instructed to act upon, to be the worst possible policy that could be possibly thought of. We are not disposed to dispute the good intention of it. It is called conciliatory; bat, in a state of things like that which exists in Ire land, there can be no conciliation without total surren der; surrender of all the powers and emoluments of the State, and of the Clinrch. We mean surrender of the exclusive possession of these. Unless this take place, conciliation is a word that has no meaning for Ireland. The present system must continue in all Its parts; or Protestant predominance insist be done away. This, if we conld have our will, should speedily be the case, pre. forting, as should, the good will of the millions to the good will of the thousands. But, at any rate, we are quite satisfied, that, to attempt any thing short of this, can only tend to irritate, to inflame and to prolong all the bad passions which are now at work. Such is our opinion of the strife in Ireland. We think it use less to rail against Orange lodges, while every man of common sense must know that the principles of those lodges, are only the principles, somewhat exaggerated, of the whole of the Protestants of Ireland.—lf no Re form of the Parliament should take place for any consi derable length of time, we shall see the Orangemen completely prevail ; and, indeed, we should not be at all surprised if the Lord Lieutenant, finding his efforts un availing, were to be the first man to wish for his own recall—The decision of the Grand Jury, in Dublin, J I' • . , pretty clearly told him on which side the real strength lay. It was a hint that he could not very well misun derstand ; and, if he misunderstood it, the Orangemen. did not tnisur.derstand it. It dearly shows that the Attorney General overrated the power and iniluenee ot the Lord Lieutenant; and the &Ticino, trifling as it might be in itself, was really a decision of the dispute between the parties. FAIR rLAy. Lord Suffield seems to have a neat idea enongh of fair play, especially at county meetings. In his hoE, and corner meeting, in a barn. he is reported to hats said, that the High- Sheryfought. to hive dissof red the county meeting before the petition was passed. F ur what ? Because the petition did not please Lord Sof- . field ? There could be no other reason. If a couple of good strong fellows had cone int 3 this barn, and dis: solved this meeting with thei rfiaits, it would have been a proceeding moth more fair than that recommended by the barn speech maker. Such clandestine proceedings as this barn meeting must have the effect of proving to the whole nation that the county petition is really um answerable. HEREFORD PETITION. • We noticed, the other day, that the petition, which was said to be carried at Hereford, had fallen to the ground. That the Lord Lieu:mane would not sign it we were certain ; but, we find, that nobody had signed it, bnly three days ago ! In the mean while, the petitica moved by Mr. Cobbett and seconded by Mr. Palmer we are informed, circa/a/fag throughout tire county fi,r signatures. This, then, will be a real petition ; and will, of course, be presented by the county members. Now, Hien, what are the public to think of " the Rey. " Dr. Brodie, of Eastbourne, in the county of Sussex, "and Anna his tcffe, notwithrtamliv her cocerture ;" what are the public to think of these traders of the Old Times, who represented Mr. Cubbett as ckfealed at He reford ? They swore like troopers, that Mr. Charlton's petition was "carried by a great majority." It serer was pet in the negative: It never was carried at all. No petition was ordered, by the meeting, to be either presented or signed. So that, the only petition from that county, except there be a hole anti cot tier one, will be the petition, moved by Mr. Cobbett. STOCK EICITANGE, NA LF Twgtve. e'cLocx.— Several expresses have arrived from Paris. With one of them was a French Courier ; another was to oar Govern ment. Consols opened this morning at 7:4111, since which, they have remained steady at these prices, with very little business doing. The general conversation this morning. is concerning the great failure which took place yesterday. Both the Jews and Christians are ex . ceedingly sorry for the unfortunate party, as he tea, known to be one of the most worthy ch aracters, and had lost a considerable fortune in hie speculations. Nothing further has as yet transpired in regard to his concerns —We nnderstand the French Funds are stated at 78. FOREIGN FUNDS.—Spanish Bonds opened at 351, 35,1. Little is doing in the Foreign Market this Morning, nor is it supposed that any business of msguittille transacted until after air King's Speenh in ParHainaut. • ChM 07—Now Spanish, 251-01 d, 40—New Prussia, 71i —Old, 77—Russia, 70—DanKb, 7S—Nespolitan, ship• Nothing—Colombian, 61 to 62—Spanish Scrip, 251. Dutch and Hamburg papers have arrived this morn in:, but they contain little information except respect ing the lave frost. The cold was so intense at flambatg on the night of tile 22.1. that the theatre was closed next day, and was to continue so as long as the frost lasted. A thaw took place at Amsterdam, on the evening of the 27th, and was so rapid as to give hopes of speedy relief to navigation and to the poor,nho suffered much for want of fresh water. The Etnpe ror of Russia was expected at Warsaw on the 12th of January; Ills Aides deCamp bad arrived there. 'lle Commissaries of the second army have invited the con tractors at St. Petersburg to furnish a certain quantity of palse for the Magazines. These papers contradict As report of disturbances in the districts of Liege and Lax emburg. • Paris Papers to the 30th. ult. have arrived, hut an•`; nounce nothing to account for the unexpected rise in the French Funds. Oa the contrary, moat of them contain little else but " notes of preparation" for v ar. 7he (potidienne says that the French will have three amies in Spain. _ _ TL•NDS AT PARIS, JAN. 29.—Opened at 77r. closed at 7t f. ; Bank Stork, 1,440 ; 5 per Cent.,6Sf. Exchange on London, one month, '2.5f. 40c. ; three months, •25f. We have this morning received New York Papers to the 2d Jan. from which we ex , rret the following:— FROM THE NEW YORK 4.IZETT2. J VN. I. Darsay ovMottataa.—Captain Mason, of the Schorr. er Cherub, arrived at Baltimore from c urac , a , sa iim on the 4th Inst. informs that the (My previous to his sailing. a schoonor arrived in 2 dare from Corn, by will, b letters were received from Governor Torretbro, giving information oft Battles having been fought tit. 221, and 24th November, near Salina Rica, limween Montilla and Morales, in both of which the Cdoolhi,ll forces proved victorious. The itlyal troops, ie C Jo o '. quence, were obliged to evacuate Maracaibo on the 20th, and that place was taken possession of on the stole day, by Montilla. The Spaniards,it is stated, suffered se verely in the last action, having lost the entire battalion of Varianas and many officers. Morales, with the rem nant of his army, landed at Alta Gracia, awl reached Mitori on the 29th. FROM Havawxa.—By an arrival at Charlestown in five days. from Havanna, bringing date of the 17th ult. information is received, that the City of Havanna was in • a perfect state of revolution, the native Creoles having declared themselves enemies to the Europeans,and it wts expected the matter would soon come to a serious end, Mexico.-1n the Diario of Vera Cruz, of the 30:11 of Nov. is an address from a Connell of Government, by which it appears that the refractory Congress li4tl [pen .lissolved by an Imperial decree, and that a rotated cow • posed of members of that body who had been Grow,' - Aismaiw angi BR! , Palsci dated pecte( rise— earlFe 111Adri Britis nish p liar•e were It its saran Great AI place for sc the It 'Minh the y their mand Wash +hart ships Oth . er inhab vance rod, • when teen( Typor per CM. any f any a fully • the ill nnleu Tii long lac Jamb busy large Capt, verse said ilesti Arch name The lona Illrei mare maki ..• so til • fort• crea an% ne.ci fro'. 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