The Statesman. — London, England, 1821-03-16 00:00:00

!1 I' i re to this inn...siting evil. 11. was aware that the Magis trates of the place were in favour of his opponent: hut he did not anticipate such conduct as they had pursued on this occasion. tie hoped he should not , t.. 141 thut if any offence against the laws had been committed, the Courts were open to punish it. He con . cludeil by moving, That the Petition of the Freemen of Carlisle, complaining of the interference of the mi litary in the general election which took place at Car ' lisle in Mac last, laid on the table of that House on the •2 1 %ti0 of June last, be referred to a Committee of Pri- vilefres.•' Sir P. It."StiRAVE (theotber candidate at the late election for Carlisle) opposed the motion. The sub stance of his statement appeared to be. that there was much rioting—that the cis it power was quitennable to keep the peare—that the Mayor wns treated with the greatest contempt—that three of his own voters were so intimidated, that they amorist it prudent not to at tempt giving their votes at that time—and that the military were not called in until the suntessity for their interference was clearly established. The Hon. Ba ronet read some letters and depositions. Sir J. MACKINTOSH was desirous of making a few observations on the subject under discussion ; and in doing s , s, if he should be guilty of nuy injustice from a misapprehension of the farts, he begged it might he attributed not to intention, but to Isis not haring been fortunate enough to hear very distinctly the statement of the Honourable Baronet who bad just spoken. tie uas extremely sorry that this acci dent should have prevented hini from obtaining a full knowledge of those unfortunate adventures. which the lion. Baronet had set forth. lint if, .indging from what lie did hear, the case of the Bon. Baronet it a. , one which would render justifiable the interferener 4.1 the military in a general election, they might as well repeal their lAWS on that bead, which were cer toiinly no longer able to preserve the freedom of elec. lion. It would appear from the argninctit of the llottoorable Baronet, that they stiffish! transfer the rower of protecting eh.rtions from this k in d s in oloich the law plare.l it. to the military. To those who itniterstaiiil the phraseology of party narrative, there was no 'Hien ty in elittlill t r at a right know lige of the leading facto , of a rase, %%lien stated in to:oparently disTerent colours by the opposite parties. ti•, when the Honourable Baronet spoke of an " ont tgrous mob," it slid not appear any more than a spi t displ iv of political feeling by the people of I ar li Th.• I lon. Baronet, too, stated that Ill) h • Ns than three voters were hill ' Latta on the 113 V In 11111. S. Lion, and in consequence were driven to the hisitenta h:e alternative of voting on a more tl•siet slay. The rocorded arts of this (outrageous mob w. re, that three good fal., of Carlisle %sere ftl•riltetlellilll it W: l 5 lir no less than this, that the present constitutional right and privilege of the British People e•as in- With respect to the troops hyin, permitted to remain in Y:trri. , un•torcns during elections, that clause n•as only inserted fur the protection of king's ptrrisous and fortified plaees in !inv..; of ionivtlar elt•c tic.n•, and were never intended to he nia.le the in a:rnntent•'.f unconAitutional interference rr•ith der tiOn%. pin the rc!►ulr, diii not think there was any material discrepancy in the ntatement of facts, and he therefote thought a committee of inquiry should Lnr.l CASTI.ER EAGII merely ,tote, that as far as Government were concerned, the usual orders fail beets sent down to Carlisle iii the eye of the dee. Cott, to wit hi raw the troops. In etmsetptenee of tl, a t urier the cavalry were withdrawn ; and Sir .1. Brut; rot knowing. what to do uitls the it:linty-. ordered ILat the Castle should be shut tip that no soldiers r:ight be in the town, unless called ..:s by the Civil The troops were called out by three 31a;;;is t•rtes, and the law recognised this use of the military to preseryi• the freedom 'detection. It appeared 'plainly t'..tt the military n ere employed in the manner this by the !aw, anal as b a d been c l octi o n 41 by t'-a! Mow before : awl as fpr as he could learn, it appesstril that two comp inftntry were n o t t.rott..ht into the •:treets of till after the poll -1-;.; was over. How far, there Pore, this mil;-dt have an eireet upon the election oa that or the following- day, I left to the ll.opse to ilt.;ermine. Ile appreleenpleel if al.y arts of %iolenee hail been committed, ur any ;:ro•s ii!raeli of Yaw cn.l,r these eirento•t inees, tli it it conkd rot eivet the I.roti , #l3i of vie' 6.111. li.rvrter jealous t'.e llopt:e sou lit to he of their p.ivilega—. he 'lll n.tt t' :nk there was a rase to go before tl;t. Committee, and to occasion the Nl.t.ri•trives to he •otwaotted to the T10..y were not the h ,st Jury in the world for j•;,l ; :ine of Ow frets. Noble Lord cottchttled by or:posits. , the motion. imrd LOW Eli Ir. II fonoweil on the lIIIP 611`. llr rain•ained that there hail toren a lutist lotali;;ltant riot. f r tlw interfert nee of the luili ary power to io well it, which military power was nut introolueed it :o) the town limit after the close of the clection. Mr. CLAM EN observed, that this was not a ques tion betweett certain individual? of the town of 'arlisle, 1.0 one which affected the privileges of that House. and the ri:; los of all the people—(lle:lr, hear:)—fur the Magistrates and Mayor he had person:lllc noirli respect, yet on a foorturr tlection, in whi. he (Mr. U.) was a candidate. the Mayor did roll on the tailitarr. if^ then protested against the employment of the mili tary, an:l declared that the Mayor acted upon an mi tUunded alarm. The Mayor sithse.pvtitly saw that the alarm had nn foundation, and the troops wrrr with drais n. Ile would ask, what was there in the present case to justify such intet ferenee Nothing- but the r.atural ebullition of that popular spirit to which the people were privileged on such occasions, and, which, he ti astral to Heaven, moult! never be put under the suppression of terror. No. flail any man acted so as to bring on himself the vengeance of the law ? No such thing. One man. Indeed, hail been charged Kith an assault ; anal I t %%I_ was that 474431111 t that he went np to a magistrate, and asked him had the Riot Act toren read ? IVas there a prosecution - lite man was committed, but without prosecution; I discharged loy one Magistrate ; feeling that be right to discharge the man himself, he asked walk out of the prison, which the other refused, ; the right of election haul been vio [it his person, and he would abide the issue of Ile was ultiniately discharged without pro ,n. As to the depositions which were alluded the Honorable Baronet (31usgrave), be believed have been made under the influence of strong feelings, and be did not .plice mud' reliance them. He would vote for the inquiry ; fur as to No: oni .. he was had no i 4 AN to u *aid said • fated in a trial." **cation to by th them to party fe upon tlo • ineonveniesce wising the Bar, it did not apply should he first ni.ole out uu tbr inquiry. of their having acted corruptly, and upon that ea4e.' anti nut on the previous inquiry, could ;they br called to the Bar. — No complaint was made a'•ainst his 31:ijetty'l , Govern ment. On the contrary, they had done their But there certainly 41%1% a strong; prima freie case against the ince' authorities, and he should therefore vote fur the inquiry. Mr. WYNN observed, that the present was a sub ject whicia the 'louse of Commons always regarded with the r-reatest jeallinsy. Unquestionably that House tvas the tribonal before whirl, all complaints of an infrimrement 1;f thy rights of the people, as re spected the election of their representatives, onght to he brow b!. Tu call in the mil:tare during an elec tion was an infringement of those rights, whirls no thing hut the clearest necessity could justify.—(Hear, hear). —What had that !lease been in the practice of doing in eases of a simibir neon.? When, in the roar 174 the Members for the Pity of Westminster called witnesses to the liar to prove that the church yard, in the iteiglihonrho..l of the httstinvt, hail beets taken pos.e...siun of before the .oltimesicetneut of the election by a body of a rose , ' the Ilonsr carne ta a resolution, " That it wet; a lii 2 ll infringement of the liberties of the people, a 14E11 s rich ItiOtt Of the freedom of election, an , l an ill: . hear.)—'.Vidi the permission of the house hr would also real a short extract front the observations of an in.li►i;loal of the hi ...hest alithori ty, one of the most eminent individuals who ever sat in the ('hair of the of Commons—he ineaht Speaker On-low, a hen, iu compiianee with the in structions of the lieitsr, he reprimanded ille strides who bail railed in the military on that occa sion. (The Ilunouralik llentlessian here read the ex tract to which lie alintle.l. After citiiw the Ite.ulu don, it pro..eeiled to remark that the breast of the of fenders must he li!le41 with sorrow awl remorse fur their act, pregn ant as it was wi•ls danger to the (-•on stitution anti freedom of the country., which they had brought into sudden and i ttttt anent hazard upon a nsere pretence of fear and necessity, the most distinct and undeniable proof of the exhiteuce of which could alone hare justified tin it proceeding. It concluded by derlariug, that what the 31agistrates lta:1 dour. was in direct violation of one of the most essential parts of the law of the realm.) lie alionlii he to add a single word after reading this smota;ion, which so clearly laid .I.)..vti the role that the inter ferenee of the military ..n !nit .11 an occasion Was in.-ti llable 111 4 1111 di? clearest nece%gitv. there mizlit have lot-vn snels a necessity in the present case : hot that was a question whiels ought to be in vestigated, and lie tliercfore thought the 113nouraldr Member Ferfectly right in calling for an iuquiry by that Iluu-e, which was bouad to defraud the pi ivilegra of the prople.--(ilear, bear ) 11r. !WC EI T the propriety of det;•,isting the rights ai.il privilegr•• of the people in the election of their representatives, lout contended that in a ease of absolute nece•sitv the iii!rriorviur.• of the Military was jll4tiliable. 1143 Merl* not :t emisitiertiole riot had not Several Melt been litiusei,V.l dutvu, itH.I Wine of their legs lirokeu hail not the Blot .141 been re of three time.: ".• Were not those sit the molt who reinained guiltv of felony ? and were not the lagistratrs, tv:so arted on their own resoonsibility,instilieil in at len:rtli callin in the military, to pa* an rad to that which they could 1161 t 1. 0 11 1.,11 . 1111 II tlll9ll nut even if the 31;14 i.strates wcre wron !cid the lioimii;•alde 31ember for Carlisle taken the riser course it itlt re• %pert to them? 1);i4 lit he not rather to have moved, that the Petition blll/1111 referred to the e vonination of a Select Committee, or r.stlwr ntl: , 111 lita the Wilde lonsioess to have been -011.116 u-a to the lien. It ? The Courts of Law a ere 4.1)1.11 to a,iy one who had to eitaiplain either of tlai• Ur of arty other art of the 3ltigistrary. For l:i• own pa; t, he most state it as hi, opinion, tlit‘t if the Honourable Mcial,er hat haul beLler or It ...I heels better advised. he would rather have rejoiced at that proceediti4 on tile part of the Magistracy, which li prob.Coly pre vented further mischief. Mr. WY NN ex:lain:4l. \1 r. t . .llAlt.lFl' declared that never since he hail hail the honor of .a seat in that !louse h tat lie heard their Priveleges and the Privile.;es of the people treated a• they had just heen by t.:e lion. and Learned lientleman. The Honourable anal Learned tientleman recommended that the ath iir should he ni tole the sub jert of an :teflon :at law ! IVas that the eonstitittional way to seek redress for the interference lot the military at an election For his own part, lie reg-receol that a man capable of entevraiaiag siteli seittins uits. 8:1•1 of venturing to maintain them, held an Oficial situa tion of !II) 11111 ch consonn lice 23 that pO•systtril by the Ilu tttttt rahle cool Learned ientleman.— Ile seriously lie!ieved, that if the llonourable anal Learned lientletnau h i,l oriole the Veei'll which he ha inaole that evellin : r befoore his aispoititaieut, he wood.' not now hold the si , otatiun %%hid' he did hold. The fact that tilt military had interfered was •ontheient to rail for Parliamentary • inquiry. The :%lagi••rate.. might nerliaps joist . ..tied: but it the Mouse obit not itopiire into the affair, the Ilou.e 0011.1 not be justified. Ile thortglit it impossible that the Mtn. and Leaniani lientleman could have listened to the eloptent ectrart from the Te tt:humid of 'Air. Sp-alier Oashiw, which 1 13 .1 b ee n real y his lion. and Le:trued Friend, otherwise lie would not Lave v e ntral sorb 41141:11111•4. .1 , 1 to the precise eourse to he poirsite.l. he believed that that pr tt tt - eget, by the Honourable .I.•v, r oas correct : hot, if not, he trusted the noose %timid not loose the sidi,tatter of the prnpusition. If it was Cooneo! that the tieleet lliittPe WWI preferable to the Committee of Privileges. let Pull a Committee be appninttal. .1t any rate, lie trnsteil that when it was seen that the military hail been Introduced at an election, no sophi•!ry or roam:ion law pleading- of a .111111: 0 -.I:h ile:4lP, ithitirt. the 111. , 1151F of I:unlit:om to relinquish one of their dearest privi leges.—(llear, hear.) Mr. BENNET sail, that the Noble Lord opposite had declared that he had never kno►►•n a more malignant riot. Ile (Mr. Bennet) load. It was at the election of the noble Lord himself, when the Noble Lord. or his advocate*, thought tit to in►rodnrr the Captain of a slave ship from Liverplol, at the bead of a hand of bindgrou•n►en. The .:our set were afterwards at Car lisle, so that it would appear they were in the constant pay of the Noble Loral. They had, however, been soundly drubbed, anal be (Mr. 11.) hail seen the spolia optma consisting of a nonether of great ender's. Lord 14)1VIIIER begged too be allowed to say a few words, in consequence of what had fallen from the Hon. Ilentlen►an. Ile allowed that there was a riot on the occasion alluded to; but it was occasioned VW STATES N, I, front calliv agisarat to 'by an attack inl hi this iesianee : Or a ease Lowther's) frie ...1,..;."..:... ..f their havinit am the peace. i pismAntiftimoi wade on the persons u<►ow !:k (Goa' friend:l provided for the purpose of keep in .e peace, and who were sworn in as special con stables. Hr dill not see why any objection shonld be made to the presence of an iudividnal at that election, hecanse he had formerly been the Captain of n merchant —perhaps of a slave ship. The Hon. tlentleman might as well say, that the descendants of Pla ye dealers had no right to sit in that House, in which event the (lir cussion that had just occurred would hare lust one of tb:•se lion. Centletneti who had taken a part in it.-- (Cries of "Order, order " Spoke, spoke ' " Chair, chair.") • _ _ The SPEAKER o!,served, that us the lion. .lem-' her who hail preceded the Noble Lord had intrwltteed the sathjeut of another election, in which the Noblei Lord was personally concerned, he conceived that the House would not wish to refuse the Noble Lord the conrtrsy of being permitted to make a few observation on the subject. Ile was persuaded, however, that the Noble Loral would feel the propriety of nor extending those ohservations beyond what was necessary for the explanation of his own conduct. Lori LI /1V acquiesced in the proprirty of the sugzestiol front the Chair. lie would merely therefor., observe, that it had not been taaaught nef es sary to call in the military at Appleby, although they were quartered in the neighbourboo I. Loral CASTLEIt gAtill said, that finding there wa4 a abut)! on the point whether the military had been called in before or after the dose of the poll, he eer tainlv felt no lam L fer any disposition to resist inquiry am the subjeet ; and lie was quite persuaded, that ntader those cirenttastattees of doubt, the Noble 3letti her fur Westmorland would withdraw his motion for the previous iinestion, anal allow the affair to he sub mitted to the consideration of a Select Committee.— (Ilear, hear ) Sir .1. 1;11.111.1:11 maintained, that there hall been a great riot on the oreasion in question, of which fart, nn less than seven affidavits hail been made, and that it %vas on that zroottol that the Magistrates had issued orders for the troops to interf-re. Mr. J.111.:S said, that after all that hail passed, it wottla he ridiculous on his part to avail himself of his right of reply, by troubling- the House with I single word. The original motion tva then agreed to. LAWS RESPECTING TIRE ID. • Mr. HAIM/HI) called the attention r.f the House to a grievance whirl' pressed severely on two thirds Of the population of the country, who lived almost on bread, the :.rimary a-al hest food they could •;et. Care K 1100.114. taken that the bread with which the poor were supplied, k llhr of the hest description, and 'hat gu gel weizht or measure should he secured. The laws on this subject se.•uted to hold forth a protection tn the poor man whirls it did not supply. Hr hail re ti•rrel to the Arts paused rela►ive to bread dosin•; the last 553 years; but he would not go throngh the de tail, whirls indeed would only go to shew the dilfienitv of le,;islatiutr on the sit jest. Ile proposed to u o o•e for the appointment of a ('o►nmittee ; and to ►na'e out a case for this it was only necessary for hint to point out the defers of the present laws. At resent, under the 59th of tlesirge 111. that Art, after Fos - is:in; for the ponishment of the adulteration of bread. enact*, •• That the seller of lizlst bread cannot he punished, unless the bread he weighed b e fore a Ma..istrate within 21 hours after being• baked." flow could a anprr, who bought his Isreasi of a seller, prove that it had not been haled 21 hours? The baker ought to have been required to show when it was taken from the oven. As the law now stood, the onus probe:oth was thrown on the wrong person. Ile proceeded at some length to point out the defects of the existing. law unf Coneludol by moving fur du:appointment of a Select rtoniwit:ev. Mr. LITTLETON seconded the minion, and enrro kirated the statement ulhis Hou. Mrirn,l as to the Mimi . - liciency an I inutility ut the exicinit law. lie wa• (rite aware that it wa. t'se opinion ol ntan♦ persons that the Wilitill lie better protected he the eimipetitinn that took place among those by whom lie w.ls than lie could b%• any legislathe en:wisp-tit. Ile thought him-ever, that the people, and especially the poorer el a sse4, whit we•rr .01 liesrpiv Intel - v.3e" in this iptecion, had a right to u - dl ittt th.• liottie to initirtlte an inquiry into the pest mush! by which they might be protected from (rand . ..... Sir t:. 'opported the motion. A penal that the interrit of the e.in".lllller roold Hut ail%antayr on,l~ be left to the eiro-t of rumprti tino i4lls9llg thoor by wholti he %v.v., to be furnished, taw: to hr found in the fart, that Cosugh . o hall a% hut 111. a load, the quartern loaf wa" Lept op his 1 . . SNII F!! deelarell, that at the pre'ent prim of Wheat the gitarterti loaf ought to he only y.s t l, Th„ m,,tiru o.• then agreed to, and A Seloetl;uunuit tee ap;osiii , eil accordingly. Mr. III: NI E piottponiol to 3lonilav hie 1111.C1011 for Re turn', explanatory of Civil aril Mkt..ell:meant% Eodiiii4tes. ARMY Kim' ‘Tri. Lim! C.ISTLERE.WR moved, that the Order of the I?ay fir rrr:•iyi'g the Report ol the Committee of Supply be rend. . . iir.IIP.ItN.IL saw no reason why an many &tar-li me:its of the military should be sent to stations, where their services were nut necessary. Why was a .Sr.e jeatit's Huard kept at the West India Dock, and the British alnsennt ? Surely there could he tin reason why the West India Company shouiii not maintain a saifirient Police establishment for the protection of their warehouses, nor could he pp ‘t by a Serjeant'slitsard ofsix men wasdeemed necessary to pro tect the coins, the Elfin marbles, or the di tferent engrav• in. at the British %virtue). It might be said, that the redaction fir which he was contending, amounted to only 101/ men, awl this was ton trifling to deserve attention ; lout it should he considered that a to rtl of 100 men, demanded a main au Ard of 400 men, as they required to he relieved every fonrth nig:it. He by to• means wished to see the Font linards aldisheil, hut he thonYht they might be fairly reduced to the number of 4,11011 men, rank and file. The cavalry, which now composed a furry of 7,1100 men, might a l .o lie reduced with great benefit to the country. Ile dill not wish to see the arm an reduced as to leave the country naked and defenceless ; but he was must anxious, 001 the other hand, that an nueonstivittional, overawing military force might nut be kept op in the couatrv. Sir H. HAMDIMIS observed, that the snbaltet ns of the thirds were very mach under paid, eampireil with the rest of the army ; but it they were placed upon this same footing as the liar, that expense would, in fact, be materially increased. 1 M►. IlsOCKHAitt said, the House of Commons meted with rerard to the public expenditcre, like a prodigal, who first determined to spend a certain sum. msomminimmumssummisommeopymm.w. and then proceeded to eunsiiler how be s h ou l d Ire% it. He objected to the Report being brought tip topun th ese principles, and he maintained that the Comusittre w as ' falsely termed a Committee of Ways and 31eas,,a_ they did not consider the real ways and wain by which the country might meet th..t expendit ure, hat they merely recommended a giren sereice to be siy►. ported by a g. i ren expenditure, without eatimatia g ti t , means of the country. llow could he (Mr. L oc kh art) tell that the two measures, which were shortly t o h e submitted to Parliament; he meant the Repeal of the last Malt Duties, and of the husbandry horse Tat, noigAt not he carried, awl a deficiency eousetine r ;, arise in the Ways and Means of hie canntry tosapp s ,., the proposed expenditure. Sir H. PARNELL said, the proven h r f„ re tie country was anfficiently lamentable, f or the resstnn of his lajestr's Ministers tray , that if t!wre were I , reduction of the army, thrre could he nu diminati„, of expenditure, and consefinently no resin v ti m , taxation. The Honourable 31ember proceeded to ath vert to the military force kept up in Ireland, an d coe• tended, that if the civil force were placed upon a pr .,. per looting, the army now kept to? in lrelasil be in si , ler.ohly reduced. Lot II PA 1.5 i HUSTON Fait% the Honourable nes% (Mr. LoAltar ) had said it was a misnomer t o c o the Committee a Committee of Ways and 3 lratte; so, indeed it sva, but it was the Honourable tieatle 111All himself who WAS guilty of the misnutul, l ot k,„ thought Inner to call that a Cottunitve of Ways a nd Me a ns, which every body else called a rOffilniZ l ,, of Slipil!V.-(A laugh.) Mr. CALCiIAI 7 I' made sum , obserratiaas i n ex , planation of what he had cad the other ni.fht. Mr. IA HT admitted hat he hal used the words Wars and 11eatts instead of a Committee of Sap. ply, hut maintained that hie argument was flat its the slightest stezree ape:ell by that dilTrrettre. After a few words from Sir 11. VIVIAN, The Report was brought up and read a first and second time. On the *Potion, that the aesulution for `:1,444 ere he azree4l UM); r o s e to propose an ameeolinent, in intro during. which he felt it tieecssare to nuke only one or two observations in explanation of what be had statel on a former night. Some expressions of his !sail hren construed as reflections on the Goiania, in disparage. meat i.f whose merits he hail s a id nothi o . 4 . Th e I . z . pression " idle parade," so hick he hail certainly used, hal no reference to the nature of the :none., hat, if more troops (of whatever description they ini4lot be) were kept up Liao were necessary fur the wa:...ts of tlo coantry, the only moils they could serve were those of idle pantile. As to the question of reliefs, it should have been recollected, that a part of the troops stay tinned in the West Indies, being one-fourlo of the whole, viz. the Ist and 2.1 %Vest India Regiments, and two battalions of the WWI, were never relieved. lie was convinced that the vote which had Lett proposed to the House was more than the safety of this ;month required, or than its finances could bear. '1 he prim. ripal reason which urged hint to propose a reducibly, was the wish to make the 3lagistrates rely more (4 the Civil Power for the preservation of Cie civil peace, instead of resorting, as they now to.; freptently did ; 4 which they hail heard an inatanre that night, in the Carlisle election. Soldiers were now pat every where; they Fould not come to that Douse %Wow! pas sing through retritoels; and there uas Los a bairark under the same roof with them.—(llear.) It was true enough, that the guards ha:l enough to do; amino won der, when the liovernment set itself to find the necessary business for them.—(Near.) An objec.iiin had been made to his suggestion for altering. they ?ay .1 soldiers who might here:diet be valisted ; for (s.oill the Nobto Lord) would you II the soldiers it ith i:illereist rates of pay, in floe same regiment The • Xuble I,rrd :n u t that even now there was not a re..ziaortot in which there were not ioldieraeoljoying different ratesof j osy,tiotee oho eulisteol for limited service receiving an increase of pry after a certain time. When they were looking at the sitotatiou of the soldier, they should look at the cone olitioill also of the labolorer, by the taSet 11:1011 whom lee teas maintained. Ile should propose as an amendment, flirt 71.111 he sabstitioted for own . Colotael DAVIES said that as the chit( objection to r.iluctiom had been the necessity of reliefs for foreizto garrisons, lie skew that the proposed reductions could be uta.la without tithing I. ens the trooops applicable to relief 'lllc old co l o ni e s had nutr 17,1100 men. In 17-.7 Oiev load 12,24 a„ aid in the latter half of 1792-13,277. If the ganisous those cloluair• were reolaceil to the stool:11A of .1.7110 ; it to that of 1792, 3,700 111(91 be roslioreit. At St. Ileli toa, the gtea: estalosishoileist wag defeniliai on the grimilit of the propriety of alio.. lug 11unaparte considerable personal freedom. '1 lois feeling was proper, lint the object, as any one who knew the island seas AWAIT, might be attained by half the num ber of men. A battalion 'night tlin: he saved there, awl aitutoet from 3lalta. We bail now (stein cavalry more than in former peace establi•liments, he would propose to reallef • one regiment. There would then be left only 3,331/ men to make up the 11%0110, who it was 'obvious cued be reduced without affecting the t reliefs, s . .hi i t ai t: tis .h i t h f .i i . rrisons themselves were p ro p ors Alr. It. 31.1ItTIN said, that as the lbw.. Member fair Aberdare (31r. Donne). so Ito might he called tie leader of the lapposition, had proposed to reduce the pay of the ..oldier tc one-half %soul.' he get his part) to pledge themselves to that measure ? 31r. 11C3l F. observed, the lion. 31ember fora:did!' had applied terms to him which he otos not w a:;sattol in aPPIYing , and had put into his mouth wc, rt h, % Odd, hr (3i r. II.) had never uttered. lie never spaku any such thing as reducing the pay of the army to toe-It alt. inilsiorritileirs3tio;vllll T os l e N apo tien. hie m : l ed to niter. the noose fur liat:n: 11r. lIVTIIIXSON oliservc.l, that when the Melte had been voting an extrava. , atit 1 7 .•tittia:e on an illu• poverisbed owintry, he did not encv the tank of the Nlstather for tialit ay, who endemoitred to two: Into ridicule the etrorts of those who had cxerte'l thetwwlves to lessen the burthens of :he people. Ile wa , prowl of bring one of those who had joined 11 rtlirrts ; he acknowledged no leaJer; ;It the distrerses of the people, the state (It ti "an ra'As :i4 , 1 ties policy of the routrtry, and Ite declare a* a titan of honour, that he believed the vote.' extraearant anal unnecessary, Mr. It. limns explained, After a few words frosts Sir R. FERGI - 31)No -tell tie lb 4r. lIANKES Will , that if he JAI. h in I last night, he should have supported tilt) re.luctimi nett io of the Aare , to be limas(