The Statesman. — London, England, 1820-07-11 00:00:00

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He was aware that this was an inconvenient season, inet considering the extreme ins portance of the case, he hoped that there would be suck an attendance as would give their proper imps* :like to the proceedings of the House; so that, whe ther the result of tbs.e proceedings was favourable and honourable to the accused, or otherwise, it might be creditable to the character of the House, and satis factory to the public* large. He was quite convinced that there were no Mrs who were not willing to as orifice all the minor feeling's of individual convenience to the discharge of a great and solemn duty. Be knew that the Noble Members had claims upon the country for a time of indulgence and recreation, after the labours which they had undergone in the public service, but tire urgent necessity of the case required that such a consideration should be postponed, to the adequate discharge of that high function which it imperiously demanded. It was necessary that, in this question, no Peer should, if possible, vote by proxy, seeing that it was a question in which every Member of the House ought to be a regular attendant, in order to enable him to come to a correct decision, and to ful fil iris solemn trust in such a way as was most com patible with a due regard to the honour of the House and Country, and to the claims of the Illustrious Per son concerned. He could not say how far his proposi tion would be acceptable to the other party 1 but if any proposition was to be made by the other side, he hoped it would be made within a few days, instead of being started after their Lordships should have made their arrangements for attending at the time specified, which would ofrviate a great deal of inconvenience. His Lordship then Droved, that the Bill to degrade and divorce her Majesty should be read a second time on Thursday, the 17th of August next, and that Counsel should he allowed to be heard on both sides, and evi dence be gone into in scpport of the Bill before the second reading. Earl flag, said, that it would be more convenient for Members if, as the Noble Earl observed, any pro position for further delay should be made and arranged before the day sow fixed fur the re-assembling of their Lordships was finally decided on. It would be like wise better for the course of justice, that whatever delay was to occur shOldd take place before the corn meneensest of ings, so that there should be no interruptiot=r i ds. There might, however, he difficulties in Siso.ituy of Counsel, which possibly communicatiou of list of the witnesses for the seen ° time sad a speciflea4on of the charges 'sight obviate. ‘ r - woo* lisessito necessary St adjoins the time to math n period as would allow such witnesses to be left for might contravene the statements of the whammies for the Crown, anttwhich adjournment might allow a more convenient time for alteadance, though be was aware4that this was a case in which personal conve nience should give way to paPic duty. But then it was quite as expedient that deliberation in the first instance should make subsequent delays unnecessary. He looked for no rxtesonlinary indulgence; but the pecular nature of the case required that such an ar. rangeutent should be now entered into, as consistently with the interests of the accused, should give the best chance of a full attendance and uninterrupted trial. The Noble Earl (Liverpool) had said, that it would be necessary to proceed with as little delay as possible after the application of the Connie) at the Bar; but he had L en shown the necessity of fixing the time on the 17th Angt. It would be more advisable that the at of some of the Judges should be had in the first Instance, after which the proceedings could be suspeoded, than that the commencement of the trial should be fixed for the 17th of August, and then sus pad the proceedings afterwards. But, however this might be, there was no good reason why a lint oldie witnesses and a specification of the charges should be denied. ship said, that he did dot trlsh to take the House by surprise, but if the date of the order was correctly en tered, it made it imperative upon the House to com municate to , her Majesty the substance of the papers contained in the green hag. He could not see Why in this point they should deviate from the practice of their ancestors. His Lordship then cited a case which had occurred in the year 1624, in which the House was in a singular situation in reference to the then Lord Treasurer Middlesex. A Secret Committee had been appointed to inquire into the state of munition and stores ; a report was presented from that Committee on the 2d of April, by the Archbishop of Canterbury, as Chairman, which report stated that evidence had been given on the Committee reflecting on the chara:ter and honour of the Lord Treasurer Middivex. The House then appointed a Committee to inquire into the truth of the matters therein contained. The order to which he referred was dated the 3d of April, and if the date was correct, it must be taken as conclusive in its application to proceedings originating in that House, for at that time the House of Commons had no participation in the transaction, but afterwards there was p conference between both Houses, which ended in the l'ononons sending np articles of impeachment ; then for the better cross-examining the witnesses at the bar, the Lord Treasurer applied for copies of the depositions, which were at first refused, hut on the 3d of May the prayer of his petition was granted, and he received the copies of the depositions that be might be enabled to prepare his just defence; and it was then ordered, at the same time it was stated, that the case might be a leading one with posterity, that there should be a publication of the charges and depositions a considerable time before the period fixed for the final answer of the accused. If then the date of the order was correct, thi whole would turn upon the question of publication. 'However that might be dirposeJ of, substantial justice should be consulted ; and if it was, its analogies afforded sufficient argument for furnish ing the House with the whole contents of the deposi tions which had gone before the Secret Committee. At least, copies of the depositions should be afforded to the Judges before trial, as was usual, that they might have an opportunity of ascertaining the credi bility of the witnesses, and of comparing the evidence at the bar with tVe previous testimony ; though not strictly a judicial proceeding, it should be regulated as far as it coul by judicial analogies. It was to be presumed that copies of the depositions would be at ' forded the Attotney-General, and hr wished to know, if it was thought right to communicate the contents of the bag to the Attorney-Omen'. Ga whet principle they could be withheld from the Counsel for her Ma jesty. There appeared to be a great mass of evidence bat the Report upon it was of a singular and unprece dented charaetse. Reports In general gay* some ac count of the evidence on which they were grounded, and left it to the House to infer its proper mode of proceediug; but therteent Report contained no info:- nation, nu summary of the evidence, but it advised the House to adopt a certain 'node which they bad began at once to act upon. Ibis was the first time that such advice had ever emanated from a Secret Commit tee. His Lordship concluded by again declaring it just and necessary that a copy of the whole of the evi dence, if not a list of the witnesses, should be famished to the Counsel for the accused. HOUSE OF LOADS, MONDAY, JULY 10. The Eirl of Morton, and the Karl of Stamford, and Warrington, took the oaths and their state. Mr. lining, from the Custom-house, brought 1p an account of the imports from China for the last six years.—Ordered to He on the table. Mr. Dwyer. from the Irish Court of Chancery. brought up copies of Lord tiranard's Commission as Crites Rotrioness of the county of Longford, and the Contrnimion of the Clerk of the Peace foe the County of Clare. Lord KiNTON presented a petition from certain in habitants of the palish of Mary-le-bone, complaining of the increased pride of water, exacted by the Water works Companies.--Ordered to lie on the table. Lord AvcaLiglrb presented tl,O - petitions, one of, which was from in individual named Strickland, pray- , iqg that thegusolvent Debtors' Bill might be so framed as to meet his case? and the other from certain per sons confined in Whitecross-street prison, who, it ap peered, bad before taken the benefit of the Art, pray ing that its provisions might extend to thesu.—Laid on the table. Just published. price Bs. Is boards, SPEUDIENS OF SYSTEMATIC MISRULE; or, looses* Sums amavelly expended la aphoadiag a single i mpo gsre; Disc:merles of the highest int Is all Mankind smothered; and Injustice h e H of State: fromOilleialProeeedings a uf 1138141ns:era of the Crown, the Privy Cootik sils r= of Tone, the Levant Company, &e. &e. &e.* or l'ooneittees of the noose of Commons, ai d es physicices, dein an lavestlptlort he o f De arly Fear Years; illustrative of the red MIMI OM of all the . Minuses of the Nation, and of their oda GOMM s cimo ggeg is rotten in the State of Iloastel&."— Hamlet, net I. sense iv. koaIaaCHARLES MACLEAN, M.D. : tiall y TaDelby, WOO, Strand" sad all other Mere. TEN O'CLOCK TO-MORROW MORNINO, aid ALL MUST. BR DRAWN. gigo,noo In 4 Prises of 130,000 4,000 in 4 Prizes of 1,000 %into in 4 Prizes of MO 1,400 in 4 Prizes of 400 11,000 in 10 Prises of SOO 7,Y00 in SS Primo of 900 Money and Consols. "Yob sad Shares THIS DAY.—The Lottery a nts=ROW. HAZARD sad Co. Contraoton, 93. Royal Rzebaagelfala; 16, CerahUl ; and 314, Oxford-street. Lapdog, where War rosisd Cadmus Tickets and &bares are Salim ; also at all **Assets is the Country. Hunan aid Co. shared and sold in a meat Lottery, ALL TER PRIZES Or ANXIMI!!! AM hi tho present Lottery, No. 1.1113, a Prise 0(110,0001: Consols, besides Nice other Capitals. Mr. Tierney, from the Office of the Land Tax, brought up a return of the expences incurred by the rats and redemption of lands under the Land Tax for the last year. Lord ENNISSILLIM prbsented a petition Prom cer tain freemen forming a majority of the electors of Dublin, against the clause In a Bill then on their Lordships' table, to prohibit Masters in Chancery from sitting in Parliament, as far as it applied to the case of Mr. =llls, lately returned to serve as a Burgess in Parliament for that city. His Lordship said a few words in support of the prayer of this petition, the substance of which was, that the clause referred to by ANGEL INN, Sr. CLanarres. STRAND, arxgRAL OFFICE, FOR TRAVELLING. THE following MAILS and other COACHES go front She above Inn Tasisßo)ai MaR, via Dover Tuesday sad Friday Nights, *Metre. Portsmouth and Gosport Mail, through Godabring. Pe kullithi. and Portsen, met) Entrain at a quarter put 7, andllnaday at half pa.rt §. On its arrival s poeket sails to toe We of Wight. to crudity papeagers sad ; and a Nail Curb sets of to Chichester, through a. Havant, /unmet!, Ate* Glastamaet and Milford Mail, through Hen ey. Oxford, tad flbsisoliam, every Evening a quarter pest 7, and Sun day al Wiliest 8. llouv-and Cantorhary Mail, through Gravesend, Cho? Ma, sad Fevershans, ever) cueing at a quarter past 7, t Iliadayat half put O. Front Canterbarkmsletig n ers and rah assolgigge Desk Margate, Re.% Wiltdd Dour. paresis see toon:-'' ;O s 1 0 . %Wpm, Mobs. Diaiebarei, Rommoy, and Lydd. Amid sad • Wei the petitioners, was to have an er post facto opera lol, and was therefore unjust, as it visited with pa• bishment an act against which no law existed at Ole time of its committal, Mr. Ellis having been declan, duly elected before the clause had been inserted in the Bill. On the motion of the Marquis of LAnanovor, the troers which had been brought up from the Custom were ordered to be printed for the information Odle Select Committee on Foreign Trade. CRIMINAL CODE—The Martinis of LANsoowN OSUMI the second reading of the Commutation of Fe hales Punishments Bill, the Bill for 111 e Repeal of Ca- Punishments in certain cases, and another Bill, ht up by Sir James blackintuabAy the whip dee of the Penal Code. The Loan CUAlcUsholt slop fli i iMeal objects of the VIII, r present state they ought not to passZ Ceneeifitee. He would nut object to their being eill&mall time, but proposed that, previous to their come mittal, an Address should be moved to the House of Commons for a copy of the Report of the Commilee on Criminal Laws, which contained the reasons en which these Bills were founded. Some further conversation took place between the Loan CNA:centime, the Marquis of LANIIDOWN, sad Lord HOLLAND, in a very indistinct tone, after which the Bills were read a second time. THE QUEEN. The Earl of Liveuroot. rose to make a motion in reference to the Bill which then lay on their Lord ships' table, and which bad been read a tint time. His Lordship observed, that when the subject of thee Bill was first under discussion, the Counsel for the accused had stated that there would be a necessity for a considerable delay, in order to prepare for the defence; he understood, not less than ten weeks. Bee au application of a very different nature was after wards made by the same Counsel, the object of whirl was to press as immediate hearing, or to allow ea little delay to intervene as possible. He (Lord Liven., pool) did not state this with the view of showing at, inconsistency in the mode pursued by the Leeriest! Counsel ; because it was probable that the differs,' state of circumstances might have accounted for the the -- which at different Bogner Post-coact, tbroagb BSHayhurst, Monday, , mods& gailhilkty, g dither before 7. Bail mad Waal Past-toed so nary only four inside. Omagh ltesding, Marlborough, Calm, aod Chippenhasb, rimy Itionsisi et 11. Rath Uaitt Fast-emelt, la two days, to carry four inside, through Maidenhead, Reading. Marlborough, Devises. IMII hielkskam, Monday, Wadaseday, and Friday Moroi*" al P. This coach is chiefly intended for the accommodation of families. invalids, te. who cannot undergo the fatigue of such a distaaee is one day. • Brighton Light Post-coach, through Reigate and Cub. arid. every Morning at P. Cheltenham Port-mark to emery only four Inside. them* Henley and Orford, every Morning et a quarter before 41 Chichester, Bognor, and Petworth Po s t-c o a c h , Mos t ly, Wednesday, and Friday Mornings, at a quarter before 7. Dover and Catarrhal Light Post-coach, Monday, Tues day, Ibursday, Friday, and Sunday Mornings, at 7. Gotha ming and Guildford Telegraph Coach. through Ash stead, Epsom. Lestherhead, Se, Tuesday, Thursday, mad Saturday Mornings, at S. Uodalasiog and Guildford new Coach. through Meow. Madan, Ilorseley, . Edlughain, Lasahorbead, mid Epsom, army Afternoon at 2, except Sunday. Margate, Rarnarate. Deal. Sandwich. and Broad Main Light Post-coach, Monday, Tuesday, Thursday, Friday. md Someday Nonslip, at 7. Oxford Light Post-eoseh, through Healey, lie. every Visaing s t half past 7. Gadalming and Guildford Telegraph Coach, through , Ditton. Cobham. and Ripley, on Molds'', Wed oil,- and , ard Friday *turnings, at 9, sad carry Sunday g at 7 precisely. sad rotors/ to London the ante 6 7. York, Newcastle. aid F.dislisvgli Coaches, and to all lab of the North, every Morning, at a quarter past 8. Mamehemer, Laneaster, Kendal. litoehdale, Haddesibrld, aridlord. Leeds, Halifax, Rotherham. sad Shalleid. cossion, deity. Littlahamptos, Arundel. and Potwar& Coo* Tuesdap IlyieetlaY, and Saturday Morning, at a quarter before ?, Ma* Saaday. liddspeserth and Walsal Post Coach every Earning. atrLancaster, Prestos, Kirby. Lambda's. Bakal. brutskirk, and o=2. Post Casabas, ovary &Ser mon at Fire o'clock.—Cl %Stand Bristol Light Post-comb, every Afternoon at hal pasts. 1 0 401,TH8811 COACIIIIII. 111 4 111 81 e. Posilk. ask Widtdarrea. Peet Cook. goes with miff Mem and a than, ell the way. PIMPS through :Zl i t o rlby.Bratabridga, Iltidateed. Canaria, ar fo- , Wetberby, Aberlisri. Desiessier. sad p aw t. ise/aposerest way by IS mem), seta out every motif. mid /Sn i t. the journey wilblb am elsol leelliff- PM detained or the road, by a pilaw% boar Titian advatitage of their swab soared la the CARBINSUI, __ 'Pe 'Nickolas.. Branford. aid hiewortb, emery liffili , day, Wednesday. Friday. and Salsellay. HAM= mad Co., Proprietors. Freels and Packages are sable sad expedltiouly asis toyed from this lag to every City. Towa, Village. sad entry Sea la the following Comities. vin.:--Berta, amilov Cantwell, Devoe, Dorset. Hants, Hereford, Glesesaler, Bata. Osford, Somerset, Surrey, Sumer, Wits. Woreadleisi Soso Wales, all parts of the hie of Wight. Jersey. 8111 . 01- tn. and all parts of Franco: and to all Parts of the Nardi a .• Tsar settee. that so package. castaisisg glans. tutu.'Makes, pla te. cash, or Bask notes, however mei fens seise, on be accounted for, if lost or damaged; aftel!" TPuma or■gees luggage. of more (Ms R. Mimi gleelikraresett whore delivered at the ego awl OSI for amerilagty Neat **Whets's, Ike, at the shortest mist The Reri of Livaarom. said, that he did not then rise to argue these points; with respect to the depo- • sidling, if any Noble Lord thought fit to make a dis tinct motion on the subject, he would enter into the discussion of it ; but he had heard nothing yet which shook his opinion as to the propriety of the mode which the House bad adopted. As to the case which the Noble Lord (Holland) had referred to, it was, on his showing, but a doubtful one. But if ether pre cedents were looked to it would he found that parrs referred to Secret Committees of the Home had been refused on the application of the defendant. It was so in the case of Atterhnryi, Bishop of Rochester, who petitioned the House for papeNi of that kind, which he stated to be important to his defence, bet his ap plication was rejected. He did not mean to cite this case for more than it was worth, hut only as fir as it could properly apply. As to the Report, it did not prejudice the ease of the accused, because it was not upon that the judgment of the House was to be Rimed. The House was to come to its decision on oral testi mony given at the bar by witnesses, who would be liable to be examined, cross-examined, mad re-exa mined, and to hare their characters as well as evidence sifted in every possible way. He felt that it would be a great advantage if the proceedings, what owe be. gun, should not be interrupted; and be would not dloe ject to a reasonable deley with a view to the • "- meat of so desirable an object. Ithe bad the between allowing a list of witnesses or a lay, he would prefer the latter, as into throw a. thousand obstades in the way of justice. Lord IgLllllllOllOl3lll accused Lord Holland ofln consistency, in wishing to have the depoeitious put into the hands of all the Members, that they might be hatter qualified to judge, although he had before de- • claret that the Committee, by examining those &peti tions, could 'net but incapacitate themselves for the • filial decision. His Lordship also argued that the Moue were hound to take the steps that they did, he sitate they united in themselves the two Aires of le gislators and hereditary commotion of the Crewe. Lewd HOLLanD said, that the Noble Lordisad skim r e ., 7= 1 4 tY ace supposed him inmis""de'r."`" l think, sea still thought, that the illebeers of the Se net Climewittee qualified themselves by an • opinion era the written depositions i but as t op ' MOOR pronounced, he wi Meuse to • • Win b e p o t in plesessims of the whole of It ; not to fens' an epinien open it skew, but to (*Siren its ssagimmeats with the evidence given orally at the bar. Lord Lammas spoke in favour of the most The Earl of Ltvanroot, stated, that it was imp*. sible that the House could have the attendance of any of the Learned Judges before the time which he had fixed upon; bat as to farther delay before the cow nieacenseat of the proceedings, if any reasonable ar rangement on that head was proposed by the other party he would be most desirous that it should take effect. The other proposition of the Noble Earl's we one to which he could not so willingly accede; he meant the furnishing of the list of witnesses. As to the particular charge*, he thought They were fully stated in the preamble of the Bill; and as to any fur ther specification ho could only say. that be would give it•a patient consideration; but with respeet to the furnishing the list of witnesses, he was perfectly antis fled, and he would give his reasons for it again, that 41 would form a most inconvenient peseedeni, and one not eensisteut with law. However, he would leave 14 to be argued hereafter upon a more deliberate °pieties. Lord HOL, AND observed, that wbea Counsel was last heard at the bar, they prayed for an immediate proseediog ; but although that was one of their re quest. another wee, that they should be furnished with a list of the witnesses and a specification of ►he charges. The Nibble Lord who had just sat down, had not ex pressed upon the latter subject a very decided opinion ; but perhaps he could call his attendee to some points which might enable him to form a right judgment ir.; the matter. His Lordship then called for the reading of the 47th standing order ; the substance of which was, t►at on trials of persons before the House of Lords, which, as it was the highest Court of Law. ought to afford light to all others, copies of the charges should be given to the accused a solicited time before trial to enable them to make their defence; and they should be allowed to conduct their cease by Counsel— , or if Counsel should refine, they should be assigned by the Cwt. The order haring beeseeed, his Lord =nt incongruity of points they had urged ; but it was the duty ef their Lordships, as a call had been made for proceeding with the case without delay, to answer that call as far as was consistent with the administration of sub stantial justice, and the means of pursuing s just in vestigatian. All motives should be put out of the question, and all considerations which the cue in volved, either in reference to the parties or the public mind, none of which ought to weigh so much with their Lordships at the dispensation of itopertiallar tics. He bad thrown oat, on the last day, owe= in which he expressed a doubt of hew far the could proceed in this inquiry, without the attendant* of a proportion of the Learned Judges. He had sin* been confirmed in the opinion which he this mishit upon, and was confideat that the Hesse could net discharge its duty in a maser satisfactory to itself and the public, without the assistance of a proportion of the Learned Judges, to give the benefit of their ad vice upon proceedings of a judicial character arising oat of the Bill. It wag sot neoeseary that all the judges should attend, nor did precedent require it; even in cases of impeachmeat by the Commegob where the twelve Judges had been ordered to Mead in the first instance; yet only a part were required to' give constant attendance, and the remainder 111110 fdr , v lowed to go circuit. There was no period s Weak when the attendaace of the whole could be had, con wadeatly with the dispatch of public business. lit a "Med was flied as late as November, it would be kW ale thee that all the Judges could awed widow*, htterfeeiag with the administration of public jambe. h would not be right or proper, or consistent with pretedeit, for their Lordships to entertain the gars- Ass wished the assistance of some of them; at the saps dm was &axiom that the delay nec.ssarily , 1