The Statesman. — London, England, 1820-03-22 00:00:00

L f 1" is THE sTATV.sMAN. apprehension of which he had.ropier.. S.ll\ nothing I articular in the Manner oi those a lio rano. towards 1 Martel...stet that morninr to ea..itr a!arin. Ttelqr that hail then seen (before nisi.. in 11., iimrning) nut it rrb or carry tlairs., 'tanners. or reviid,:• . .onary ..4•11.17ne5. affidat it he h ai l sken•lied and left a: the office, that it might he eupiril and lot-0110a to hit. to be •itutti. ...mill' alterations were made in it afterwar ds Lt• witness at psis (Inn silt:ft-ohm. The dozen gen:lemen nut ai.rn it at the Police-office, hut aftera mak, at 31r. Bilx. I lot's house, lie stopped at dies Bos'on's house I.lgt tees minutes, and then lie ref urnent to 1:a Held where he. I ail lwery before. This affidavit was to this effect :—That Costing been informed of the t rain; rigs in the neigh -I.ourlnioil, and hearing that treat hoilies of men %ere inarching to Manchester, and he was of opinion that if t!.ey ;starched into the town nith revo:ittionary emblems. ' he thought it would go to overawe the town, and create confusion. This was to put the :Magistrates in possession of his opinions, and those sit oth er gentle men, leaving them to take their own measures, for the Purpose of enabling them tat prevent tlictii from coming Into the town. This he thonrht micht be properly alone, but 'lid not suggest it to the )141,:istrates : lie left them to act on their "nil iiiseretion. Soy a number of I...evons standing befort. ii".s At the meeting with sticks. I hie man near hint had a bhid enti ‘‘itit knob. which he held over Isis shoulder till a 111'ln melded anal pointed to it, anti then lie drorped it d 0.% n. It was not o,unhlereil like a ti:ll.ket. 'floe II1A:1 that pointed had a: s.) a large stick im4lsis hand. Witness was not insulted t.t assaulted. Could not sae whether the divisions that lie saw march to the around %ere general:3. armed with ',irks. The words lie had heard 3lr. limit say at that Cote were, "if our tunnies wont': keep order, put them .h.wit.•and keep them down." Thought this was before the military came, but was not quite %lire. Did nut -pow that any holy nas particular:}' pointed at when 11,.. words in question were used. Ile-examined by spiv. Sctrtt.crT.--Mr. Hunt might be tea minutes AM-es:Ling- the people: dial nut catch all tl.athe said; r0..1.1 not see the military from the posi t:4ln in which he stood : made his Jrl , u.irun before f7rint information that hr had received 4.1 the • kirarter of the intended meeting, bait dill hut •tve:tr to it till steer he had seen the multiinde arrive in the wily whirls lie described. Ile-examined he Mr. fluter. —llemcinhareil the phi. t 17J calling a :riveting. fur the 9th, ennt.:ittell a propos'. t'..:11 for some election of a legislatorial attorney. 41Ir. SCARLICTT believed that it wax to elect a leziala. tonal mettiher.. _ _ _ Mr. HUNT said, it was to elect a legislatorial attorney, 87:d req uested the Judge to keep Mr. Scariett decent. TJ he une* was not aware shat be haul permitted any tLtig indecent on the part of Mr. Scarlet,. Mr. SCARLZTT hoped his coodurt haul not Leen other tLan decent (runs the beginning of the trial. hot hr had sl'ouit:ed to what he thought ts as not decent from 31r. John Willis, examined by Mr. Serjeant new Johnson, bad conversed with him on the %object e. the meeting. Johnson haul said the hig men of Man s :.ester tilos/Hat putting it off from the 9th to the Rids *wild do it away entirely; but they were tinder a mis t e, fur by the 16th, ihey (the geformers) would he re suly for any soldiers that •coitld he brought against taut ; this was said in a public-house OD the lith trf A:sgust. Talking of the [Adding and the shooting of Mr. Horsfall, Johnson bad said that he knew that Mr. Iforsfall would be shut, for a party of men had deter r!nril to go to London and upset the House of Cone ,. (JIM or something of that sort; but they did not go ti.on, because they were Rot yet strung rooms:* to pro vide for their wives and children, if they should he taken Manners, or come to any harm. Cruse-examined by Jolinson.—Was a betrlair I arm au - ?rd as a spy in his life. Johnson had conversed with I . .s, as he had previously stated. Never said to the Magistrates Johnson was going to take the barracks by storm. By Mr. Herr.—Was not drank when the conversa t i 'on n question took place; did not recollect any other particular conversation. Said after Johnson was gone, that if Nadin had been there he would heave taken him up. Did not know Johnson, till lie was told by the landlord that that was Johnson, the brush-maker, t:ie great Reformer. Took no measure. to base him apiire- I ended. Never bothered his head with any such like. .tislinson, though a stranger, told all this to witness and S Ater. Part of it was addressed to witness, while !Cater was out of the room. It was that part abent :1 air " being ready by the. 16th for the soldiers." s!aier and witness lied talked over this matter. Dail I:-artl Slater say that he was out of the room while that Lion was made. Had wanted to hear what they could get bins (Johnson) to say. Never informed Nadirs of this. Believed he did not tell the landlord of it that right. The landlord was Igniting nit his company, aid ird nut tell bites of it. Could nut say when he lint told S:ster. Re-examined by Mr. Serjeant 110.Locis.—Dail been sent fur by Johnson, when passing Johnson's house one day, after he had been before the Magistrates ; went Wu his (Johnson's) shop, where there were three or 6stir persons, and Johnson said, s' What, you've been before the Magistrates ?" Witness said, " lies." John son then told him he was a fool for going with the beadle who had been sent for bins before the Magistrates, nithont making him show his authority. He then asked what had taken place ; witness would not tell him there, hut would tell Lion in any private room, or at the York l'un, where they could be by themselves. Johnson said he was not &Aimed of any one hearing about it. Wit ness said he thought Johnson used him very ill, to call I.:In into his shop before people whom be believed to be *lnt of spies, and woold not tell hint any thing. Joseph Slater, examined by Mr. Serjeant Caoss.— Rensembers Johnson being in Ilia house with last witness we the ell. of August. Witness began by saying, that he understood that Johnson and NieholasWitwortli were to he returned to Parliament. Johnson said it was all nonsense. Witness shortly after left the room. Johnson remained with Slater. On his return, they were roo st-ming about the murder of Mr. llorsfall,wlsen Johnson said, " Do you know, Mr. Sister, that at that time there was a set of men determined to I go up to London and disperse the House of Commons! Witness ridicules, the idea. " 0, hut," said Johnson, " I know it fur a fact, and it would have been shine, had the subscription been large enough to keep their families while they were away, or, in case they failed"—(witness laughed)—" 0, hut," sacs Johnson, " do you recollect when Bellingham shot Mi. Perceral, what confusion there was ? Here teas Lord Castlereagh scrambling out of • room, and Mr. Canning out of another; and when Bellingham was taken, they were all ready to tear him to pieces; am I if one could frighten them so, lie (Johnson) was sure that it could be done." Johnson showed be Features how they (the House of Commons) had acted in their hurry on that occasion. Saw Johnson last Saturday week at his own house in Manchester. He (witness) was first coining to Yori.c. Johnson said, " Yon will recollect that I said I heard it for a fact." Witness replied, " No, you said you knew it for a fact." Cross-examined by Mr. FlCNT.—Witness kept the Hay (Norse. Johnson hall told witness that there would be a useeting on the Midi of Auzost. Willis said,when John son was gone. that " if Nadin had been there, he would hare bed him." Had spoken to Willis 00 the sub ject repeatedly since, hat had to prove at to what Johnson said while witness was out of the room. Knew nothing about Johnson's saying they should be reads- fur the soidter. , II the 16 th "t August. Thonglit wfi.it hail heard from Johuson a foolish and wicked story. Johnson was certainly speak ing in earliest. Witness 'lid not inform the Pollee of it. ' If he were to coniamnicate every foolish conversation! ,that passed in a pub:lc-house, he sfiotild do nothing else. Witness and Willis had never compared notes. By Mr. liust.—Johnson went, on that occasion, to' witn.<s's house, to loot,: at a sow that was about to bring some pigs, one of whirh Johnson was to have. Johnson • then treated the report of being almut to become a Mew -1 ber of the House of roimi.ons as being false. On Satur day weelt Johnson called on unties* again about a pig, rub then told bins (witness) that if he said nothing but what he (Johnson) bad said, be (Slater) would he a • good unties.; for him. Never heard him (Johnson) de clare that he wool l overturn the lions/sof Conimons,bnt lie said that lie knew something of the kind hail been intended to he shine alinet the year l!i12. Witness bind been but once or twice to Mr. Norris and Mr. Milne since his deposition ; went fur his deposition, that be might see what lie had sworn, but was told that it was gone to London ; had n;.% rr seen it since he iigned it. Re-examined by Mr. Serjeant enoss.—Jolioson said he knew that it l:ad keen intended to overturn thr lions* of 00000 nons; had no reason to believe that Johnson said there was to be no election. _ John Sliatvero.s, examined by Mr. Itirrhrost.r.— Hail purchased a tiewsparr proiloced in Cony). at the Office of The Alanehe.'rr Obsereer, on the j!st of July. Cross examined by 34. Hunt. —Was Clerk of the Pm lice-otfice at Manchester ; saw placards advertising the meeting called fir the 'Jai Angitst. Aelieved, in conse quence of that meeting being prohibited by the 31agia. !rates as illegal, that the design was abandoned. The meeting called for the Itith was not called in exactly the saute words as the former ; he believed that sonic of the bills milling the latter hail been mken down. A number i d sticks, * w oe s, pike., l't tri. banners, and Caps of liberty, hail been brought to Yor!i; they were in the care of Mr. Naolin. 31Irhael Fitspatrirk examine-II by Mr. SuAnt.rpr.— Attended a meeting held in Sinithitelal on the 21st of July. Mont pr.ai le h. L'ertaiu resolutions passed in the presenre of Mr. Hunt Witness recollected re ceiving the resulittions handed to him from Mr. Haat. Witness t% As a Reporter for The New ; stood ON the left of Mr. Hoot: received them Irons Mr. Hunt's own 1.451.1. He *eat with two other gentlemen, one of whom gots. wised in the nlll.l, that he was obliged to retire. 11 itness was politely are undated with a place in the wargon by Mr. Ilnnt. who said he was very glad to see him , as , . he thonett witness would give a fair re ', port. The resointions were passed; the most violent were the most applauded. Crowe:amines' by Mr. licaT.—llad considerable dif. &ally in his to the 'flutings. Was so alarmed that he pat on his worst coat, but dial not know that lie felt say personal alarms. Saw nu violence. lied bees at many meetings where he (Mr. Hunt) had presided. and nu arts of violence hail rouse within his personal obser vation. Recollected %heaviest of Mr. Harrison. Those on the wagyfon ? or that side of it by which the niteres Paterral. saw It. hat thousands them. he was of opinion. . might know nothing about it, it WOW ON OD qn irt ly. I 'mild nut say aheilier or not Mr. Harrison bail pre% iously spuk.eu ; that he hail. Rerollecte. l Mr. Hunt hasl'Aaid;" there's Brown or Multiuse genie to Arrest Mr. Harrison—will von let him g ar and with a prood-I,n. 0000 ore.l shrug, told 11 r. Ilarrison that he had better go quietly. ur words to that effect. R.-collected that Mr. thud had said, lie would [o if tiles- ...At far his., ;Not the least violenre Was offered. Harrison. witt; bit tiered, asked advice of Mr. Hunt, and was told ..sa Received the resolutions from Mr. lionft r who was particularly desirous of acconsonotlating witness as he came from '/'he New Timm Witness heal no idea of proilswilig them agaiivot him (3lr. Hunt) in a Court of Justice. Thought he hail asked fur a ropy, anal that he received tl.riei a bile they were in the art of loving read. Would ;sot say that any .of them heal t hen been put singly. timid not recollect whether or not they wrre mot Irmo I a printed raspy. Knew Mr. Orton. Sever heard him I cutionounicate what he had seen of the proceedings at Manchester. _ _ . lie-examined by Mr. SCARLATT.—IIaiI often attended meetings where Mr. Hunt presided, and retired before they concluded. Violences might have ()centred which he bail not seen. Believed that the Sp:l44llls meeting was the first of them that he had attended. It was im. possible for the resolutions at Smithfield to he heard by more than a tenth part of the meeting. 'rite resolutions were then read from a newspaper 3f the 1:1,1 July, I+l9. Witness Lad the ropy of the resolutions given to him, while another copy tray bring read to the meeting, and found them to roue/pond exactly. Mr. Ile NT obj ected to theprintell paper being received ..s evidence, as he had been served with nu notice to pro- Jure the original manuscript. The Junin: held that they could be received, as 110 evidence had been given of the existetire of the original manuscript ; hut lie tinted the objection. Here the cave fur the proseention closed. DEFENCE. Mr. Bannon - , who is retained for Moorhouse and Jones, then proceeded to address the Court. He sub mitted to his Lordship whether the svideies which had been adduced, as it affected his clients, was asttlicient to implicate them in such a way as to render it necessary for their case to he sent before the Jury, or whether his Lordship would not direct the Jury to acquit them immediately. The charge in the indictment slid net seem at all sustained by any part of the evidence. The Learned Counsel. here read over the indictment, which charged the defendants with maliciously and strdittotmly conspiring to tiring into hatred and contempt the Go vernment of his Jlajesty, with intending by force and menaces to disturb the peace, and with exciting to riot and tumult ; and contended that the criminal charge was not countenanced by any part of the evidence.— There neinr only two counts float were at all applicable, even in appearance, anti these were nut substantially protest. Mr..lspoire BAYLEY thought the case should go to th e Jury. It was billy necessary to prove, in a mixed indictment of this kind, as much as constitutes' a crime. There was evidence that Mourlionse and Jones were at the meeting of the With. That meeting was charged w iz:, being an unlawful assembly. If they were there for th.c purpose of strengthening the meeting, and ex tending. its power of intinfdation, they were guilty on sonic of the counts. It re maned with the Jury, illy% to deride whether the two defendants were present as in nocent spectators or active pail sans. He could not. therefore, direct an acquittal in the first instance. Mr. BARROW arquieseed without further observation. The Jury retired for a little, on the suggestion of the Learned Judge; anti, on their return, Mr. BIRROW rontinned his address. The evidence, as it affected his two clients, applied to the fonrilt and 6fth counts: the former charging them with assembling maliciously on the 16th of August, with 6ti3Ontl other persons unknown, fur the purpose of moving the sub jects of the King to hatred, and contempt of his person and Government; the latter with maliciously ASseinblisir in a formidable manner, with inflanimatOry banners, I Ste., against the peace .if the King, his crown and dig nity. The second rotten charge& with riot, and with inspiring terror and alarm. It was 1101 e the duty of the Jury to apply the evidence which lead been brought forward in support of those charges to the case of his clients, alld to determine whether npon any of them his clients war implicated. Before, however, be stated whit he had to say on the evidence, he must wake an oh.ervation or two on the speech of the Learned (Mr. Scarlet°, who so ably supported the else h' the prosecution, in many of tier sentimeots he (Mr. Harrow) entirely concurred. He held in his hand a copy of The Tidies newspaper, in which that speech was reported, and he coned nut help, in passing. haying a high compliment to the reporter for the aeeitrary and fidelity with which it was given. His nould appeal to the Learned Counsel himself. whether the report did hut contain almost word for word the speech as it was delivered. Mr. Jnstire lismr.Y.-1 am extremely sorry that it should ha% e been pahlilhed till the proceedings bad been closed. Mr. HUNT.—The whole provetuding4, soy Lori, are published. Mr. Justice BATLET.-1 am awire of that : hitt I hope the Jury will nut allow theansel% es to be inflateuced by such publication. Mr. BARROW said he Was nut alluding to the report for any other purpose but to refresh his own me 1111 l ry with what his Learned Friend had said. lie then read various passages from the repot t in The Times, in wisicio he said he entirely concurred witii the Learned Cumosel. We was recommending to the Jury to 11111 Miss fro m their twits& whatever they had previously heard or read on the snhjert of the trial, and to judge by the evidence alone whirl% shoal! be laid before them. He read an other Intotages in which Mr. Scarlet hart expressed his satisfaction at the choke which haul been made in send ing the defendants before a York-shire Jury. In this expression of satisfaction he (Mr. Barrow) concurred. Another passage stated, that the object of the public prosecutor MU wily to try and punish the leaders of the conapirary, or the instigators to the nnhswful a-tenibly of the 111th. This he (Mr. Barrow) highly approved of. if the as-embly wag ales-hired tube what it was stated in Ilse indictment, let the leaders sutler what the laws of their l'Uli lit ry awarded ; but what was the evidence that implicated Mr. Moorhonse as a leader? when was he introduced into the conspiracy? where was he intro duced:- and bow had he (vadat-tad hiueuelf on the 16th of August The tiro eonnexion of 3looriamise with the case under trial was by his taking a ride out to Bul lock's Smithy on the fifth of August, to meet Mr. Hunt, who teas coming to preside at a meeting to be held et 31.1nelsester on the 9th. Ile dial not there see Mr. Rout, Inn he sort him at Stockport, where be asked him to his g u n-e. \I r. Ilstio aecepted the invitation. On the 9th 31r. Hunt p:ocee•bal to Mat-heater, and 31--sorhotsse accompanied him in one of his own earriacre. The meeting h been putt ashr, 1.11 ill to ass objection which the ,Magi-!rates -stated to the objects for whirls it was called. It did not elinseuptently pl Ice on the slay. But if the object of 31r. Moutiont-e hall been to attend an unlawful and riototts assembly, y Was it postponed, and why dial he afterwards proeeeul to another, iseeonis polies! by his wife? 3lr. Moorissesse 11:1 , 1 long been a married man : lie had eleven children, :led his wife was six months pregnant with another. Now, could it be believed for a moment that be would proceed to an an ticipatesl scene of riot and eonfuelon, accompanied by his wife in this condition ? Mr. Monello's., therefore coidsi not have furine.l a conlsiraey, the objects of which were to In carried into mr..rt by means of the tumult and dis may orated liv tlsis Inert i lie conk( not then be one of ihe leeuleri ssiels conspiraey ; could it then be char i ot' to him as a crime the hr Was at the meeting? If this was the case, all the 60,otet mentioned in the. le. abetment were guilty as well as Iris direst. Was the company of Sir. Hunt snfficient to isisplieate him? To say this would Ise monstrous, when it was considered hoar little he was connected with that individual. A witness, however, who was in dres.lfatl terror anal alarm, hail stated that he saw :dr. Mourlemse leading the Stockport division to the ttieetinz of the 16th? How was he leading it? Why. he hot no other elsarasoer of a leader than that of being tiro or three steps in ashrams of it. He was a proprietor of stage coaches, and one of his own CII,II4IPS being tilled with ?avengers, hr had got on the top of it. The coach was in its rep hr rourse to 31ancloester at the st teal hone, anal arrived at the White Bear in sine time. This ronld be proved. But it was said his client was with Mr. I on his way to the linstings. This seas easily etplained. He was pas-ing the street as 31r. Most entered, and, being seen he 31r. Hunt, was retpirsted to monad beside bins. Ile did so, hot was never on the hustings. He was charged with a riot. The defendant haul too riotous intention in coming to 31ancliester that slay, as could he proved. A useetitig had been advertised for the 9th. It was put off in consequence of the legal advice of a lawyer of Liver pool. Mr. 31mo-house, agreeine with Mr. hunt, did not 'WWII( in the opinion of the Liverpool lawyer as to the illegality of the asserting. lie went to Manchester to hear the apiestion derides!. He had not seen 31r. Mint from the 9th to the 16th, and therefore could not have conspired with him: bust lie Was alitiOllS to hear Air. Hoot against the Magistrates on the apiestion of the le gality of the meeting. Mr. Iloorlionse was an AWE. tioneer as well as a roach proprietor, and a Lancashire auctioneer would he very notch affronted at the 111011Illa !inn of not understanding law. He had beam that Mr. Hunt meant to discuss a apie4tion of law with the Ma gistrates, and he was anxious to hear him. Ile had imagined that it was a sort of challenge—that it was the trial of a feigned issue,or legal wager between Mr. Iluut and the Magistrates, its which the meeting was to be the Jury, and to decide, without appeal, whether the prstintnell meeting. of the 9th Wall ie al, as lie and Mr. Hunt thought; or illegal, as lilr Magistrates and the ,Litoerpreol lawyer contended. If there had been any appreheission of tutimlt or confusi 111 l , would he have brought his wife to the town of 31anclaester ? He might, therefore, contend, that there was nothing in the conduct of Mossrhottse, frosts beginning to end, that im plicated him in a conspiracy. The - Learned Counsel pressed this argument sat considerable length ; and then went on to the case of Jones, whirls, he Bahl, be hardly knew liow to deal wills, so little thil he appear implicated. Air. Orton took notes of what he had sail. That wh ores was on the scaffold with Jones. His words amounted to nothing hot that he was anxious not to see the scaffolding, whiele was his work, densoliehed by the preesstre of the crowd. Ile exhorted the people to keep a free space of five or suit yards, and to keep 'their enemies out. Mr. Hardman saw him erecting the hustings. After lie hail finished them, he thought !he might as well tarn speaker ; and what did he bay? " I beg you to be peaceable, by order of our com lasittee. If you do not stand fast, vou will be broken in upon." But the reason why * lie thus addressed 'the meeting was easily understood. He was the archi tect of the stage of carts and planks: he could not make . a railing to keep off the crowd, for he received on the whole only 255.; hr borrowed the boards, and wished to protect them ; therefore, he said, Gentlemen, I beg you to he peaceable, awl not break through this work, changer o f e r c o a n s i m t n h . r t h s e l t t i i i n es ii s s l s / t f .er t e il i e nzi o jet rwk i. . Nay, on a The people assembled o n th e h us ti ngs were i n p ersona l hus and the carts gave way, and down fell the stage with Mr. Hunt and constitution r S o la igei ri ni et gia t ape h m a r l if l eca d ni r d a . : pect n i. ei a m p air a en: his friends upon them. This happened in this very r p a l lel o be f t S tr z t . .e i nt tr h r e te co fi t i n . . l s h il l i s t de mocracy of Athens, of a repnbl t c. Ile had said that 39,000 citizens could there meet to die-Has public buainess, th ongis Athens a great part of the people Isere co • slavery. lint where were the slaves of E nx i imi u "P"!, 's man here could meet, and discuss public tneasa tes `k . l. 7 then was collection of people so assembl es ' . I t ; '-‘ , l there was no danger in Attires, because they w a5",,4, l. ; 1 habit of meetin O. S. were the !online of this coa a " tes e habit of meeting. Number, therefore could not nuti was latvfoil unlawful if perfect ord er wasprevirki P ir elo; bail a right to assemble in nanoloom oho could d0 5 : 1 . 7 the amount of those numb, • ? Who could shut tk There was no gate . Who could shut th, b a • “..el,4 4 t e r! was no barrier. Vo'lin could crotot Coma, lad till their number.? foes, entertaining those gether with Mr. Moorhoose, went I.) the atomi se ! Athens had its Demosthenes. Low ant po o .tits always interestinx. litre was a meeting was t o be a contest of law and politao b e t lees Orator Hunt (he meant no offence to Mr. 11un9,16 mosthenes of England, and the Manchester ~ • Poor Jones took tire at this idea, aped thon e b t V rlie ' flu be an orator too. He spoke, and wasp() du:ket osis gnonto gP,VierliCiillicatl:lC(.lletivifriife.i He delivered the behests of the committee, and p r „ l ,P i : expected to mount to a higher .;there in Jiseum n ,.... lie law, and descanting on pnlaie trim - races. ir e l, l 4 however, verified the old adaoe, Out " a ruble not to go beyond his last." 1:noler them. c's the story would consider it as alrunst to t.• ta: re ear the defendants Moorbonse and Jones. lI read a narrative from Mr. Moorhotise himself, r o - :' would shoot hi* knowledge of law and poweisgM position. The Learned Counsel here reed a losorlionse's, in which he denied a Itnooviede of the defendente, and stated the peaceable rondo! , r the people on th e it; th , giving an account of bison c nu oi . l e si l le L t n s e u ar c ly h - ht ai! n;, i; t zp e pe r a ac r e s i n n it t i t i le h Ltm is L. tern clime,, would leave it with confidence to the Jury. Mr. Hato said, he had to address them on the pan;„ the defendant !Saxton. It was not till the third a ss ' s , the trial that his name was mentioned in the pra s ;.,.. ! inns. It was then mentioned by a police-utlicct Moo. oleavoured to connect hint with riotous conduct. To, the Connael for the Crown should hare moved Lis e. quitted The case with regard to him W3l still•itsre, g j h had y i . n ! fie seas silo:4l7i than it night, to im•l000le all the defendants. Ti m e • originatedHois prosecution bad no desire to isspico, persons Wl:tt 11:•Te not active and intirstrieln if (Tr venino, the meeting. They did not want to those too this conspiracy srhu had made no effort no _ tomb the public peace. Even in this temper of the ruserittur, he had great caused slate in condo:ling the defence. The tt.super of the rem:o —the al.or:u that hail been spread—the perig ee 0„ bed loom *owned against all the defendants, lead* t.l belief that they ought to be itunisheil whethretito not, iuspireol Lion with anxiety. Ile trusted, hescc, this 'blare would be free from prejudice. Thrtiostso place for the trial hail been determined OA, au i t administration of public justice might not salt he be from blemish, but entirely unsuspected. the Jan would determine on the justice of each litchi-Heal cos and if he email chew broad and palpable distiaciimu. Ithe Jury wmll.l not overlook them. They trod' alionT• that this wits a IsININI case of conspiracy, sea if io• could shew that his arts were not bail in themetives or acts of riot, lie would trust for the aminittalof hit client. The inolictmeut contained three (Merges: go first was that of conspiracy to overturn tbetimentmost: this was the heaviest charge of all, sad little short of treason. They were accused of bringing as immense ma ss o f people to Manchester, in order, by %diet* ei physical force, by intimidating banners and tags. II prove their power and inclination not onir to hillside. the tioyernment, hit to prodnee ',aerials and mss fusion. The nest charge was that of := l sso !ding, without conspiracy. roe third, • fir conspiracy and sedition, stated a ease of not cad tuna only. These were the three charges. Now as is the coospiroey. A case of conspiracy was seldom preyed:a its origin, and the acts firm in aid of proof Malik of a broad and palpable character, which M colt proved the criminal design, hut ninth Akashi MUM! the fact itself. lie meant to say, that it was seams casual or incidental act which con'ol prove a coaspitr. it must he proved by strong evidence. Now, appply . this to Saxton. it diii nut appear that he was Imes o Hunt, or any of the others who were indicted with has. , It could not therefore be concludeol that be 101 leo in concert with them. It did not appear that Soon was at Smithfield, nor at Hoollock's Smithy. It eat as proved that he was at Dinninoliam at the election dtk legislatorial attorney, or hail any ronnectionwith it: ioo was not even mentioned in any one of the transaion till the Ilth of August ; he was nut at Whitt-rot PP dill he take any part in the rircnn:Maner% of what Mr red at that place. It was mot his wish to go is question of the illegality of the meeting, lout it so teniptiug to any man who recollected what manned within Hie last three months, when his Learned-Prim!. Mr. Searlett, had statiol in one of the Houses of heir went, that his mind was not math up as to the Irgalf of the meeting of the 16th of August. Mr. Jostice lissLer.—You may discuss the redo of legality on legal grounds, but not by argeartMerts ad homing/N. Mr. lints said he did not intend to urge the pint opinion of his Learned Friend, or to say anything wild for an instant retold wound his feelings; hnt he 4 wished to show that the opinions of mane pot os were not made up upon this question threimostbille‘ He did not agree with foie Learned Friend in seoepeits which he hail laid down. lie (Mr. Holt) weehl NOP into the question .if how many might meet, and Ardor , att the people of Ft neutral had aright to meet in one piece, for every right depended on the 'J olene.% end justice of it. I t should be recollected's! when these public meetings lorgao, in ISM *1 uteri not considered as illegal. Immense assemblies er . to h u el t il in in te B rripTi e u i t ' s is un a t u i ' l l ' t i l ' o l e w P r a P r i l A h r o2. peace of the metinpolia, passed an Act—for Tc pot down all such meetings? No; but to per!!!w w .. . assembling within one note of Wesconitistor "7' . _ n a t. nl a co it a s ti fre aw r ol ir, it the sitting of Parliament and the Courts of Jeetee.7 . that the right to meet was only restricted tea parts . 7, spot, the general right being left as before._ ls4 l: Omar meetings were then illegal, who was it Net were not so declared ? Fur, without nteene . ef "Z i ; any personal ionput:itinn any when', he sel l: tr if those meetings were those wheel' , 1 to advise the Crown had been guilty , of a bad r_,: mt neglect of that dioy. His Learned Friead loarw a i of Athens, but the question was not of Athens, but of meetings at Manehester, at ih ne. Indio:sou, anal other places. It w.as to this be iterm ario r.tessed i meet anal discuss proper *objects; sod ill.""L ttlat :fo fronttti ntoa: the u c t h t self. att rwillirfee'ultf:rtuer°lndEgr.3:l*clYt after w c a o s mi I t ae h r e tio ri tli g h t elt ° g e i l ti TT: which he lotlongeol (Norfolk), be had no donr ., question of not repealing, bat increaain... shpt the importation of corn was prop:4l4.W 7,7,. r there would be thousands attending at the stm or such discussion. The people at Nastiest 01 tended, had an equal right to meet sod ,_ how of reforms ; but it was said, 'hoot thismotesirsjaw. bled in soilit ry array ;he he orr moter, s a o" gularitv of their march should oat bo Olarr t io as military array. His Learned Feed sow', r., ir 1 • I • • Ai It 1 .1 .1 4 1 g 1 1 /