The Statesman. — London, England, 1820-10-10 00:00:00

THE. STATESMAN , TIIE QUEEN. HOUSE OF LORI/S.-o'v,ti Mon•lsG.l reool, anti th e P eers At the usual hour Pra)er% were rathril aver. The delimiters acre, the Earls o f I.:4;1:4os r, WsLorc.i: svE.:1111 ou t he motion bring pu. for nallin4 in the Counsel. garl UROtiirrNott rose; and after adterting to a i tesht whirls had been thrown du! in the early part of ! hew pverrilings. whether the it 'messes who gave, or s ere to give evidence at the liar, could he proFeetited 114 rejttry. observed, that it uas hit; it time that 4.4115 t Aoald be set at rest. Ile would put it to their le , r ,i.t,ips, whether it was CO1131)1'1111 w hit law or ju•- t..e. that stub a proceeding as the pre.let.t should s utferd, that witnesses were to be allowed to give the et bieere they had given, and that the person af free,' by that evidence should not have the means of in ,i i histr those witnesses for perjury, if their evidence ;ere file. He coneeived that in this question the honor and the dignity 44 the House were at stake, an.l it trial.' be monstrous indeed if such ar anomaly were rus i:ted, as that which must be the ease. if the witnesses were not liable to an istilietsuent for perjury. HisAßtrations were not meant to apply to this or th a t witness, er this or that side of the question. His urly shied was, that the Ilonse should sly, w- its deter vimiesa to administer justice. With these prefatore et ,„, 2 0 0 , he should ask Abe Noble and Learned Lord ~e 1 the w e4 ,l, ae h to he good enough to state distinctly ) Ole H , n'e. whether the witnesses on the present i „, r i„ ser e open to an indictment for perjury : and lithe answer of that Noble and learned laird were in the native, he (Lord O.) should move for leave to hein in a Bill for the purpose of creating that The Loan en etCrit.Oß descended from the Wool- suit; udobserved. that the quertion put by the Noble Earl appeared to him most est; aordinary. In his opinion, the Learned Counsel had gone too far when he said that be should Prosecute one of the witnesses for perjury ; tor, ia his (the Lord Chancellor's) view of the Caw, it wzi not jam. and therefore nut possible that their Lordships could come to any derision on the subject au:il they had heard the n hole of the rase, an•l had come to the conclusion of that ease.--(llear, Isear!)— The witnesses whoa reared atthe Bar were wider the pm:retina of that House, and he would put it to their Lordships whether the r•ourse proposed by the Noble Ea rl would wA in erect be punishing the witnes.rs on a charge, an intimation, or a sunrise of perjure, which are all way fall to the ground.—(Hear, hear).— beiag his view of the ca.?, he should, without Leas**, slightest disrespi et to the Noble Earl, %ina. declitto oasw erin the question. [Ms Lordship appeared much aft cte.! h the course of his ►perch, and was uarudy cheered at its cuncht aim] Eiralanresxoa explained, and denied the jus!ire of the interpret:akin, whirl. the Noble and Learned L.rd had put upon hi' optestion. . . kiscauut 31xt.viLlsi said." be hail a particular reason for wishing that William Carrington •hetild he again (AL F A to their Lordships Ilsr. Le was non Ming. to isteWeil the course set their prtweedings, as the wit ness, who was considered at present to lie tinder eta mindon. (His Lordship alluded to Lieut. Flynn ) bat it was his fluty to state, that this step shoold be taken with as little delay as possible. Ile therefore moved, that Mr. William Carrington should be called tow:end at the Bar, after the present witness should have closed his examination. After smile ~ . nver.ation between Earls tinny, Li eznetrot., Lay le la) ME and Dox &ironstone, it was finally agreed, that this uitness should be brought up te:ty. Conn .el were then called in ; and fur some cause con nected uith the mintier of the entry of the learned (;en. Omen, their Lordships indulged themselves in a hearty laugh. Lieut. FLTNN wastlien called to the liar: and his rross examination woe resumed by .slr. SuLlt IL. At what tinrc did you arrive at Athens ?-0n the zstli of May, I think. How long previously to that time bad you been in Isll7. Uid you make that memorandum to which von refer• red yesterday. on shore, or on board the vessel ?-0n board the vessel. Had you been on boars, an Italian vessel a short time before? -I don't remember. At the time pot are speaking of, when r."; :mole the memorandum Of 'that country then and what name was the ve.sel —As &Wish vessel, called the Lion. Will you allow sae to look at that memorandum in yam. Laud?—(The gallant Lieutrnaut banded, user the Per yua .) Inv, told us you had the command of the pola cr- ; also navigated the vessel ?—1 Who gave orders to the sailors ?-6enerally, the Cap tain, but he received them from me. Did you Jo inure than merely direct him n here he should go?—i did net tell him to go to :My place ; I only give him orders about the ship. bid he not execute the ditties ts hid; the Captain of a 'easel ordinarily doss; did he nut give directions to the Cool: ?-11e slid. Theo. in navigating the vessel, hail he not the whole care and manigement of the ship ?—Not the whole ma n 'gement, because her Royal Ifigliness appointed use to the runintand. Do yon mean to say that it was not he who gave or ders to the sailors? Mr. Dismay objected ; observing, that this question lad toren already answered. • The Lord CHANCELLOR wished the latter part of the evidence to be read over, which being done, the Solid torrieneral resumed his cross examination. What do you mean by saying you were navigator of the ship!—'l mean by saving that I was navigator of the ship. that I assisted in the steering, and gave octe nnial milers to Vie crew. Then you did give orders to the crew ?—Yes, some time. I 'l d. NJ you ever give directions as to the suanseuvering of the *hip ?—tiouietimes. Was that generally done by Carsinlo, the Captain. or v " i nelf?--Sereetiuses by hint, sometimes by sue, when he was not on deck. Vei t it was only when he Was not on deck that yen id k? — Sometimes I did it when he was on deck. Bet was it not generally done by Larsinio? — He geee elll did it oftener than I did. Ita lh you generally wr it e I n It a lian or E ng li s h ?—l n lian. Wu that written by yourself or clerk ?—By my clerk. sou he Italian or Englisb ?—I don't know whet be Was he not your servant ?--No. Was that memorandum in Italian ?—ln Italian. It Was the log book. By wl t was it kept ?-lly myself, it was a private me ttttt randum by myself. Was that book for your own private purposes. kept by your I'lerk or yourself -It WAS directed by myself, and sometimes written by my t Jerk. Is this the Clerk, rues alluded to before ? —Yes. Was he on board the polacre the u hole time 7 - -Yes, thiLu Iti.ll. time. Was be Italian or English ?—ltalian. Did volt nut tell me a moment ,t!:1), that you 'lid not know what lie %•a . ?--1 (.10 nut 1.:141tV exarily tibia lie wag. Ile was an Italian, or a Sicilian. Did he write the n hole. or part of tli:tt memorono slum wrote part, and I wrote more. 144 You write your part iu English. or Italian t' In English. Did you tint t II nte a moment ago, that the whole I/04 was in I : Here the wih+e•+s considerably agitated. an:l was ►.•.► r fainting. Mr. lkstul,l requested permission for the witness to retire.whirl uas instantly granted. After an ati.rnee of about Ike minute.•. he returned. and the Solicitor tie:serial resumed his cross-rumination. Haring told us from the tirst that Pimplelli was not your servant and r that he was your se:vans, n kids story do you Olean to adhere to !—I mean to adhere that he ailed as hods. Ito you mean to adhere •o the story that he Iraq your servant, or that hr uas not your servant mean to adhere to his luring a sell ant for the purpose of taking my not 1111:111d down, but he was not kept as a sailor on hoard the ship. Ile Iszvissz part of the log, and you the remainder, ran you say whirls kept the mom cannot say, rather think I slid. Hut as I have not the thing Iwfurr me I cannot say. Was it nowly written in English .'---Slente part was in Enghr.!' and some in Italian of that a birh was written by myself. you net tell ns just now that the part kept by you has in English i told VOU so. 1' %As •I a moment when I w;ts so situated that I did not know what I said. Then the part yon krpt w•as risme in English and some in Itaiian:---Yes. Was thr greatest proportion, hi the hest of vonr re collection. in English or Italian? --I don 1 rerollert. Was not a consider:dile proporti ~,, of it in ro-lish 7-- I don't rrcullect. I think there *as as much of one ti the other. Ib can mean that the better prweettion was in Eng lish 7 311111 the same. Look at this parer. and tell me whether its 'late does nut rosining:4.e at y Intr •I nate for a les,i --Not irons Iticssina, it nottinsetwes in December. Where ilia it omomence at ?--t )n the 6th of I)r -c•etnber, obeli her Royal ilightreog arrived at 31es When aid you set out from Messiva . :—Ott the 6th of January. A distu%s* here aroce. whrtla•r the tialicitar (trner:ll, or the oritnea s:foulst hold the paper during this ex.tenia.ftion, or its rontehts. w•.ss derided, that it should be situated within thesiFht of both. The SOLI' IRA L.—l ask for Ow paper. Mr. DIN awlifloo the witness n-.t to give i: up. The SOLICITOR-CIS/NAL asked the witness whit were the %eve ral date.; and entrie , thronzhont the paper 7—He writ re.t.tdarly thronzh them, and ac knowledged them to he all in Italian' Look at that paper, and tell me if it contains a single entry, at all the carious places von were at 'hiring the vovige, written in the Caglish I;lngnagr? —lt dot not. Whose handwriting is it In ?—Pisquelli wrote it from my dictation. Did you not tell us yesterday the paper its qn.stion was yunr own hand-writing?- 2 -1 don't know that I did. Why the paper was before you at the time was not in my hand, and I could not then tell. Now yon say it is not plow !sand-writing, hnt that it is Pastrelli'sF—Yes, he copied it by my direction.. Now, will you venture to swear that it is sot *ha yani's : . —Yes. I think it is Schayani's. Mr. SOLICITiIit4;ESIKRAL.-31y Lords, I shall not ask this witness another question. Re-examined by Mr. BronOsam.—llow long have you lived in Sirily ?-4.ight or nine years. Did you understand Italian before you went to Sicily ? —Yes. As well as you do now ?—les. Uhl the Clerk of n hunt }uu hare spoken, speak Ita lian _ - - Did Papi l laelli write in the logbook '—Ye.. You are now a Lieutenant uu half pay in the English Nara , ?—Yrs. Were von ever examined before ronr (nning' to Eng land, re;reting the condurt of her Royal Highness un board the Polirre ?—Nu. Who copied for the LOE Book you kale stated, that the paper in your hand was uritten by Schimani ?-Ira, a few &iv , ay.o. From what did he copy it . :—Runt a F apr.r in toy own prevression. Hail von ever orrasion, on going to her Ito% a l M a l i . nes., to awaken her Had pet any 011'44.11 to go through the room of liergansi ?—After Itergami was Uit, I went up the ladder. Wliat sort of a tent was it, single or double :—Single. What was the extent of it —.llimit '2O feet. Mr. Soutlroa-lieNEll.lL—" Lord., I have toher„ that that paper about whirl' so much has Leen said, may remain in the possession of the. Clerk of this Horse.' Mr. DENMSN begged to observe, that neither be ow his Learned Friend had seen that paper before It was produced before the House. The Learned tent. was proceeding, when a loud cry of " Order! order !" arose, and Mr. BROCGOAM got up amid increased cries of " Order! order !" and expressed himself to the following effect Hit is the pleasure of this House which is now sitting as a Conn ofJustiee; if it is the pleasure, I say, of this Hon.' to suffer one side to deal in insinuations, and not to suffer the other to repel them, I ran mile say, that if such is the pleasure of the Court, I and my Learned Friends must of necessity submit to their decision." Earl Uses rose, he said merely to 'negro to their 'Lordships that it weuld be more decorous, and more be coming in their Lordships, whenever they licndd think the Counsel were out of order, to rise and state the objection and not perpetually call out " Order," which only tended to the disturbance of the proceedings .—(Loud cries of Hear hear.) The LORD CR ' 10111 observed, that the question before the House was, whether the paper in volition . shoultl be placed in the possession of the Clerk of the House. His Lordship was of opinion that the House were entitled to have the paper in their possession, hut It would se proper that the Counsel on each side sboeld have access to R.—(line, hear, hear.) •By the Earl of hISOSTON.--lou said that you fitted op the Prineesei cabin, what were the dimensions of the door ?- --About three feet sad a half wide, and some where about six feet high. What were the dinienutions of the bathing tub I think ',tont tno and a bailor three feet high. Then if the tub were putt on its side could it not be pushed into the cabin ":—No, not unleis both doors were open. Then if both doors were open, cool.] not the tub be in trihlucril ?—I aro not clear of that ; I think only a part of it could be introduced. For what reason ?-011 account of the continril ili tuenniong of the cabin. What was the length of the cabin?—About ten fret. And of the bathing tub ?—Ationt six feet. Then you mean to say a spate of six feet will not fall within a space of ten feet I—No. I do not. there were two sol.gs in the room. Were thoy immure:o;le ?—No. Wel.. they fastened to the 1104 , 1' ?—One of them was. Then they were tnoreable t —They were so. but they were never moved. Are you positive oftliat ?•—I am positive they Were sin removed until her Rural Ilighurns disembarked. Vaien yo , had OCCai to open the tent, will you take on you to swear that there wa: no one hut her Royal Highness there ?-1 sill. How rattle it you could rot hear what her Royal Highness —The noise caused hy wind. and the wor'.in4 of the ship. preven:ed my hearing distinctly. could hear her speak: lint could not ten what eas avoid. Had there hien two people spealsiut. in tent, could you hare heard them Isom where t.Lt slept'—Sat kJ you ever diitiogii;rh two vt,ices ?—Never. If there had hero, 4M•n1 , 1 von have distinguished then should hive kouau if two prople were 11*.is there any light in :lie diming-room:----Some• time Pill you ever ser :anr one .h•ep in the dinintr•rot•tn at night 7 -' never saw :any mar them I lo:ow there was a bed always there for Mr. Ber4and, and one Haorning I Sall him there. Yon never him at W.—lit ?-1 never weit to see if he was in bed. it was not my date. Pttt weiett Inc' went Li the Prittee‘s when she called con. you passed through his rabic': —1 only tsw him but once in the mornine:. But m• 1 .r -I could out see him without .•:: Wu a retired 114 CC. Out Ulf thr btriaight road ?brooch the moot. The Earl of DUNOVUII monr.—lon say !/.- memoranda of whirls you have nisde sine here were taken from a larger paper of mentora , ttla. not the In t r.l a s o k, pray are tun in the hahit of makilitr memoranda fur similar pur -.'—They were for my own nu% warm in Ow fat you always tol:r memo!. toodnons ?--Yes. I 1111 usual ly in the habit of making :hem for my own private Me. %n void that pita took the extrarts from the lame pa per for the Olfisfretiati of pow friends : what do yam Norms lig - that. what turisftetior did yr', lowan to gtre them ,7—Witest I was in Slily I hail occasion to sre the public papery. and having locird that all who load been with her Royal Iligloneqs would be recalled to England to give evidence. I took these extracts for the rarpose of being mb to give the inforosa:ion that would be re quired of me. . Where did you first read that account in the papers ? At Messina. 1111''7- -About three months aro. At the time the reports re wised you, you were alaont to depart from 3lessina 7-1 w a s. Awl then you referre.l t.. thpl.tr : rer paper IlLivinr brought thr larger imper for that express pttr pose ?--Yes. How long have _•on been Lientettant in the Navy?---- Eleven years. )dal• i ask what was the origin of the acquaintance you had the honour to form with this illustrious personage, who is the subject of this proceeding'----After the siege of Gaeta. where I served al a volunteer more than a year, I was sent to . Rome, and thence to Naples, where I re ceived private instructions to go on a secret expedition of the Neapolitan Government, to make inquiries after Murat, the Ex-King of Naples. After having %les-W-ell myself for four nights four and days, in the woods, I gained iatelligence ot Mint, and I returned to Naples, and having delivered my reports to the Prince of Hesse, I returned to Messina. (I'llis answer was delis ere.) in puts, at ititcevals,and was read over to the Ilouse by the short handl writer.] Yon will perreive that is no answur to my question. 3les.iiia I was ordered to sail to Corti' ; hut, before I sailed, the Leviathan, with Captain in, and I . .iptaitt Ilrigg, having introduced use te tier Royal Highness, she offered me the command of the polacre, to arc !!!!! piny her on her voya4e and haling nuthinx to do. I accepted it. Had you the entire command 00110 vessel 7 I had. You had the al rangement of the palrengers. had you not:--I certainly had. Lord DoNounlinuar.—Was that ship hir..d by h er Majesty ?—Yes. Were not the crew all instructed to think, and look up to her floral Highness , in • respect:---Yes. .1 Don't yogi therefore think, that her Majesepests-, sillered herself as tree floor interruptions, while hoard, as to any room in her own house, or palace?-- Yes. Don't you therefire think, that while her Ma;nty's bed was on deck, that the crew would take rare not to disturb her Royal Highness, by going too near this tent ?--Yes, my Lord. It appeared that the Queen paid for the vessel., Sir, I 'neon two disrespect to you alien I ask, whether you received any remonetation:—On toy departure from Sicily, no aeraugasnent was made, but on my arrival a( Tivolii was informed I was to get 211111: pet , annuli': What compensation did you receive t—Toro hashed dollars, as well &or can recollect. Have the proaliiess to state Vow mnrh you reetio • and st a bat times ?--I received 2llti dollars, throe eta ferent tam% • . All this you received during the voyage'--ties. Nothing %ince ?--No. Then you have received no part of the 21110/.14111r --No. • •: Wow long were you hire ?—Aboot a month. -• Were you sorrioned here to appear before Ibis Hew% or did you tender service :—I cause to her Majesty as I knew something that occurred on the voyage. What was the whole ruin you re vireti?-699 dullr.r4 at three different On the voyage you observed the sleeping-mom of Iliergami f---Yes,hr slept in the dining-rnem. On the voyage outwards yOll say positively ru knew of the sleeping room of lierrami, how esti trait say po sitively of where he slept in the voyage bettle Y had ttu aitoro too remark. How can yon say positively where you had arrange ments of the births on the voyage outwards, that you did not know any thim of the arrangements huturwarolg? Mr. Brim 'Lords, I enema this question. The learned Conned then prtwseding to object to the rinrsti , when the (hike of Clarence roan and moved, that the Counsel be ordered to withdraw. He thought that Counsel io offering an o'ijiretion tright to treat the louise with heroming resrect ; and he tisui.t say that .Ir. 8., in sayin:- he ...mid not permit that question to be asked, hail treated Howe with great ilisrespect. The Lean Comsat Lon.—ln the cushy stage of than prorre lints it has been allowed, that Comm' might in terpose if Noble Lords &mid pot any qnestion to a wit ue which they considered to he improper. I ass cer tain that it it the IlliVntillllll of the Lesrao - leffilftiel to act upon this allowatee: hot at the same time I do nut consider that it WAS rasedy primer in his to say, " I will not permit this question to hi! rot." Lord Hexorimmong said, that their Lordships were much indebted to the iliacrions person in the garret for his interference. At the some lime he did not think that the obnoxious expression r?s wird inte:lonally. It did nut arecri with the geni•rel re.portful imnduct which the learn,il Counsel lord observed doting the whole proceed:lLT.. The :Kohl., erd repeated Lis ques tion to the 'rime.% which err s again ritject e d to, and after some discussion ttitinly.wit. It no% again put in another shape, etol erect ally rejected altogether. The apprehension of an inoffensive and ignorant poor boy on Selnrtlay, detected in di•tribntirt._T s e diti on , hseil.b:lls, has fortunately led to the di - cosery of a mystery of inignity, to Odds se briey refervil in elf Paper of yesterday. aril al:irh is mere fut detailed in another portion of our paper to-dly. While the honest advocates of liberty and jnstice have been nnsospicionsly . pa:- siting their ob:ects in the ways of peace, and sewing good seed in the minds of their fellow-subjeet., their watt:Vol enemies to defeat their purpose, and expose their clft.cs and their aims to dread and abhor rence, have been in darkness toning tares, and distri buting in their name the most direct enci.rments to dis affection and rebellion. Many have been the cerasions which, our readers w:;I recollect, hare occurred from time to time, when the mind was Inrsnit of certain ends, that hand- bills of the mast inflammatory character had vacated which tended to alarm the quiet and timid. and bring the cause of the people into !•ttspirion or disigrnee. There was no tkitbt an ent.my had dune this; and in little doubt was entertained of what clasaandileacriptium that enemy was. full credit was given to hie , both for ar tifice and for malignity: hut it con!.l rJt bare artered into the heart any man to conceire, unless it were • a heart like his own, that be us, cipalde of cortem platim; the great and extensive miseh'ef r.-bkh was disclosed by the hand-bill detected ea Saturday. Not content u ith aiming to excite the people tumultaonsly to rise for the purpose of alTording fresh exense for the renewal of military interference, or the increase of legal restraint : not content with assnmirg the names of innocent and respectable individuals in private life, and rendering them obnoxious to their fellow eitisens, and amenable to the inflictions of the law, the artery pointed nowt° higher game, to the bio•liest characters they could reach, to Sir JOHN Nt• .crop r, to the Earl of throfte, to the Mike of Lc., -Tv P. and eyes to (jeers herself. With an atrocity, which, if not with out a parallel, is certainly unrivalled i u the annals of con ?piracy. a bold attempt wig made to implicate her . MaJesa t in a desirn, which the fabricators only of the hellish project could hare possibly invented. Tbe• immediate instrument which employed the ignorant distributor of the treasonable placerd has. by mane the most unaccountable, fortod an oppoeuriry to dude the hands of jultice, while his oncoesciuuseubordinate agent is doomed to suffer all the rigour clam law. But happily, though the contriver of the mischief has, fora season, deluded the punishment he merits, his mischief is detected and defeated. The snare is broken, and tho birds have esca2ed from the hands of the fowlers The mischief that had been prepared for the innocent, has fallen upon the men of rosliznant dekkrn; sad if they finally evade the rearh of law, the indirnation of the Public will not fail to be their lasting portion. Toz Queett.--A highly finished likeness of her Majesty has been executed upon a medal, witlt an appropriate rerer*e, in order to be worn by those Ladies awl tlentlemen who go up with Addreves to her filaje,ty. Tolie had of W. Parr, Co. 1, Great Itus 'sell-street, Covent-garden, at One Shilling each. An 1 allottariee wadi to Committees or Shopkeeper, taking a quantity. Tee [MAMA.—The celebrated Doctor Synta; it about to, furnish the publit. with an additional ammo of atnusement. A New Burlesque Piece, of which. Greets Room report speaks highly ' se to be 'acted at Sadler's • Wells, on Wednesday next,lsit the Rest time. The Evening.. Entertainments are lei the Benefit or Mr. Charles Wessmarote, who is well kaown to the publics. an Author and Artist, aided by • the • Pittuaate of •. Alderman Thorpe, else Lord MayotElect. Posiing-bills hate been issued. offerfsc ortS bonar4 guineas reward for the apprehension of Frank lin, P.sq. of Clarendon-Ogre. ErigetiPire-read. "who hart eicapear from the Magistrates at Bow-street," char/fed ; 7.. upon oath with the publication of certhig seditious. s , -• hand-bills, for the purpose of ettitiisir diection and 10111 P.. . 'A .SPORTING INTEL LIGS*E. BETTING AT TATTERSALLiI. Daisy —lbto I art r. Ay Walton, oet of Parasol. NEMINANZET Iluvcaeort Mazente.-7 to 4 on Ir. Lew apt .tbjer. $ Zl, • • t is / V \ 8 .‘ tl if 1 I f I _.- -11 .1 - : ir"' •. ~~-