The Statesman. — London, England, 1820-11-16 00:00:00

. Of • 8 t . i th il f ', 000....-- .... THE STATE'S/11A N. . - . _ - . - - - -.t..- k- - - " % - - k , --.1.- -Willa po l i o !lee hander) copies per hour. Several A ministerial paper of this morning says, that on ORIGINAL POETRY. COURT OF ICING'S ORNCH, GUILDHALL. ii I r , pn :led and sold next morning. Had it Thursday next, when both Houses of Parliament ' re- & ; • assemble, ---mo- • wirstiff.vATEß. . ' 1 there will be made to them an important " la's Proper Power to hen each efeati" fe els . . sible to supply the tlemaod to the extent—.NM— cotnmunleation, the nature of which it is unnecessary • “ Balls aim their horns, and Asses net . tbsir heels." i 1/0 1, - roore than three times the number might at present to state. A prorogation will then take aortas FOR a NR'N TRIAL, IN TIM CASE OF SI3 enas , b ar e disposed of, as thousands of persons wete place. The first week in February is the time men- !Noses 1 anox. Cl 5 SI:RDS 7T. CART., 'FOR • LIIIRL. I ' W e ofe i s sed and obliged to leave the o ffi ce without tinned foe the meeting for the dispatch of business. Unhappy R--s says, he feels persuaded, This day, in coosequence of the expectation that 1 Her Majesty, the Queen, is much degraded;* was excite ) in this cause, the Court was consideraliy -o w a copy ! Let Lord Renesna LE and his like According to another paper of the day, Ministers / 0 - ow are said to have consulted the Speaker of the House That Englishmen have lost their reputation, crowded at an early hour. . ! ; ps i t ko, and then declare whether the public were And eke, their senses. in illumination. Messrs. Wooler. Lewis, Osborne and o•hers, were , * of Commons on the propriety of proroguing Parlia- t ,gfarst to the issme of the unparalleled contest!! meat.during an adjournment. The answer of that Thou Row-Street oracle of &attend's grief ; would be brought forward. They were, however. 'sit J . Owe not now mentioned the circumstance by way Right Honourable Uentlenman not being favourable id/labor, hut to satisfy the cariosity of many to the project, the following plan is said to have been From Hedge-Lane College, toad out with learning, off to a future day. A sapient Sadler, education spurning. We observed Mr. Lamborn. Maj a Cartwright and foo s (who nitnessed the extraordinary demand, adopted, or at least to be in contemplation :—The others in Court, naturally anxious fur the result. 6 Bridle thy tongue.-respect thy %mama Neaten, s o s ‘ have been desirous of knowing what number House of Commons will meet. of course, at the time Mr. Dasmas moved the Court for a new trial in appointed (the ?.3d), when the Black Rost being And let example guide thy selaih spleen. ofteei,) and alto to confute one of those ready, and all the preparatory measures being ar- This truth deposit In thy leathern scull, that cause, and he wished to state the grounds in ) . which he made that application. lie maintained that s s li d unfonnded assertions so unthinkingly ranged, the prorogation will suddenly take place, be- •Tis not within thy Offieepower to gull so oirence hail been committed in the place alleged. The public voice; united, bold and free. l a t e wickedly wade by the enemies and persecutors fore the House can commence any business. . oafjyara• It lutist not however be forgotten, A third cotempary a . ts, that both Mr. Speaker . i a Th, si.t t ionati" has proved the favourite and Mr. l'owper have declared, that, during an ad- Men creak a Giant-and can pfty thee. Thou less than nothing-yet, a Irsuld-be-Kalght, Men tight with men ; but eawards-fromea, SOL Ihe circumstance of writing a libel alone, is not a criminal offence. The contrary ot that p l opo4- tion, his Learned Friends thought essential :I , fIIV.. 1 i journment, there is no precedent for a prorogation Goon in slander-anti thyself degrade. fend. He could not find, in any authorilo son iMeowspaper with the public during the whole of in recent - times, and that it is believed that the 'Who knows not 'Os th • afire and thy trod the subject, ally thing in support of that opittiono r b o rmigation, anti has been generally approved two houses will meet on the 23d, when the proro - . ' ) C. 411018 CANeDIDUS. except in the case of King t. 13eere. In that e a t accenut of its steady oprosition to the cation will take place- With respect to the vu-' • See Report of Proceedings am Bort-Strest on Tuesday case, the Chief Justice Holt had laid dowmi . . doopt iaja4ito,rement upon the Constitution, is per. moored measure of the ministerial print , it is ob- 'in t h i s p a p e r . contrary doctrine, which opinion he th en p rimordial. ..1, • ' served that any attempt made in the House of sr r—o- ----- ! to question. It became extremely important to hula. h o lat al ! apport of an injured woman. and for the ilehly wil f iliplitode of its daily reports. Lords to cast a reflection on her Majesty, would TO THE EDITOR OF THE STATESMAN. al the manner in which that case was n tolled, and 1141. . --ow- mode in which it was supporte d . '1 he Learawk. - • • ---. 0 ••-• : _ serve only to steep the Hump of the King's _Mimi- - -4 Sta---At a convivial meeting of literary gentlemen. Uentleman then read the particulars of the aura • - • stern deeper in obloquy. But they will scarcely utter iollt Norfolk (Virginia.) of the 11th ult. attempt a measure so dangerous. It would give the toast ", The greatest object of pity in Englaad, The Jury in that case f o und a v erdict oci tbseep I/ oat, ISAI the island of St. Lucia is to be shut against the Douse of Commons time for discussing a propo- The King,' was proposed, and drank, which gave grounds, that although the writer did not publish, stilt s rise to the following Impromptu from Mr. Charles after his death, it might fall into hands who would pear f ~,,,,,„.d. of all kinds of American produce on the anion that would certainly be made, and which they Wesonacott. I hope it will not be thought unwor- lieb it. This, lie thought, a most dangerous doctritte. P . !let &Ober. will strive to prevent by an immediate message to thy of a place in your columns. An analogy had been attempted to be drawn bakween attend the King's Caminiisioners at the Bar Letters from New York of th e 17th October state, . ' ' of the A QUEEN'S MAN. 3. liords. this case and the case of forgery. He could mat think th l liag; received accounts from Havre, stating that Tux Qt asst.—Yesterday the Chairmen of the se- there was an analogy. For it often -happened that a it ~ - An Object of Pit } ' Great God t C2O it be, ftrersksoats had passed between 31. GALLATIN and veral Parishes of London and Westminster, which was not with a view of a publication that harry -... Can the wonder of Europe. the pride of the sea, lit ren d s mi s i ss ,„ of F ore i gn Aff a i rs a t Paris have presented addresses to the Queen, assembled at l was committed. He thought that the cireuntstatme of - '. 7 The birth-place of freedom and proud chivalry. I X, P popsrattry to a treaty ; and it was understood there the Freemason's Tavern, to consider of time course a man having libels in his possession. sboold elimn lab . • Be fallen so abject and low ! w • hich ought to be pursued upon this subject. Sir ti. construed into guilt, because if so, every *tan in the . .. 1 Olathe Preneh Olvernment was willing to reduce the fan thy diadem. .11hion, by glories surrounded, country would be liable. Every library in the colintry Noel was called to the Chair, and after an animated itietAiti of duties on imports in American ships, so debate, in which Sir Robert Wilson, Mr. Home, The sight of whose brightness er'n Dasear's confounded. would probably be found to contain libellous Fiabligais ; • Can thy triumphs in arms that each foe hats astounded, ticii.s. The works of Gibbon and of HUM(' Wlhail, Collis. 1 ZS very asarly to eqoalize them with Frenc:t vessels, Mr. Beaumont, Mr, Woofer, Messrs, O. Jones and . Be shrouded in pity and fear' within the reach of that law. There was another cast sad leave the tonnage duty as formerly, lidmonds, took part, two Resolutions were adopted • I • ' Forbid it, High heaven! thy power and might. to which be wished to draw their Lordships attention. s the one es, expressive of the gratification of the meeting, ' • t in the glorious of our Queen rul'd the fight: It was in the case of John of Northampton; and that the result of the investigation with respect toast ' INSOLENT I,O7ALTT AND PERSECUTION. In addle And the tell of oppression was haird witb delight, the worts of the Report are, " that the Court are • Queen, bad been agreeable to the decision of public ties to the instance which we mentioord on Tuesday By a people as jost as they're brave. orinion ; and the other, that the people skiould againextremely tender in punishing,. because he was an I 4 a " the insolence of o ffi ce," stooping to pluck white assemble in every district, to convey their congratn- Yes. the King shall be blest. and his g l ory shanties. Attorney." The Leaned Gentleman then pro- &ours from the beads of horses and stav e - coachmen , The And the voice of the people resound to the skies, ct oiled to sonement un the dangerous doctrine laid lations to her Majesty upon that signal result. abase now to state the interposition of ci another per- proposition of the latter resolution was peculiarly well Wheo the authors of ruisehief, whom Britons despise, down bythlll Chief Justice Holt ; ' but he said, that the rat in his little brief authority," to cheek received, and its adoption was cheered in a manlier The Tories, be driven from power. circumstances that occurred remaldi before that time, la an.l . espressiou fel the general joy. In the that marked the increased warmth of popular recital' might secanst, in some deem, for It• pui St. Martin le die Fields, it is well known a in favour of the Queen. NEW .11INISTERIAL PROPOSITION TO PEN. The Cone JesvoilatA-Mr..Denman, I wishao.re- pell hasbeen i ally rang on a Monday night, • It is not understand that any answer has yet isen Si/U N THE PRESS! II mark, that no midi Ins eve tapes attached tr the atm the ringers is sada elil good humour, for a liberties of Engiand, tbaa Chief Jettialethdif Ma / the ' . bicb is comtneislyeellad" a leg of muttonand • is "Its order to render *is ameeement permanent, ;itr ir Bniieof Northumberland first established a pro- d, 501. a year ;and to augment the rejoicings of returned to her Majesty's demand of a palace; but _.....,......- . public interest will be gratified by time knowledge of Amid the pleompted destructims elloer Lame sad Ale . _ f!, hid lite. while at the bat, wad Br the contents of her Majesty's letter, which was to the the annihilatkl. of our liberties. evert Waal lee Illoti in WIMP "r3r aii t tiltell • Tim 4 1 0 111 • • .. .• i following effect : are practised - le alter one national glissader. -We Preserved after his elevation, Meet •.1 A iidlisado nigh*, it was the object of some of the flex Majesty's Vice-Chamberlain informed Lord Unit- km st•en i s Mob of the Mieiaterial Papers so ogioer- wet het" the name et eetheetfillti ' - ;. • srei• l 't• f• pro- !mil that . " he had her Majesty's commands to require ti went aorionacing the establishment or•••,, , Rentes. ffientitte l4 .. ' . perisgeners to hare the customary peal r „ they tats 31ajesty's °overseer* ? that, witboot tub Po- L terary laefitalione-or in other made; a project list Mt. i t in filles It wi t h 111 t11664 7 1 l ab "v beyond the usual hour by presenting theste.n:e of thi effect of the {sower over even the OM ., . ... delay, a palace should.* peovideti, to sing a ban& ery Pensioaers-trimee employ- *. with an additional gratuity. which they had . • her m • t • kin the • h•d, • • ajes y s ran in w 1 O 1010111 , Ir iu b e minds. It Mast, no doulr. be ranito aoy . ...seirt. the a urorae . But in this truly harm- "SO reside. intermit of kiwi,. defend ter tn tilde% all a charactei to revered . - lU - t tri; • s -- • • . .. • .... the ads of Oo waive euttrreftrilest, they had Toekowee lis ?bat sale had to onselaka . .. , • • and oppose wt all tir wis- e • ha ha en • Ike pre tilbeet their host. St. Martin's is a Royal Parish, " view either to the station of her a . " 4. ," ' -. •• ' 4-- ass or P ath °l.ll Ib i ellase : 1 1 1 Y ' 11 -'1; f oot t. rikilko o g g . tr 000 d, 4 ,,k1 0 ....... a. • • - -. , . - SI his ti race the Duke of Northumberland, who dif- " of the crown ; nevertheless, that in the eiteesMances . ' . •• of the time her Majesty was willing to overlook such - been\lbirored with a view of the paw may, w fut Toil Iteitetillt °Pll l l llk ' 4lO • I km somewhat from his ancestor. resides opposite ale bottom of St. Malin's-bine. The ,bells that bad „ d e la y. Pe , woe 0 the names, with ,s 6i sa u s i,„ an- what he contended for, we-, that writing is tame, " " But that it must be evident that no further t it re nwl• • he mi..... mlstit____ we understausi will% delFs (each unless publication had beat proved. title . 4 friends i Int often prostituted to celebrate occasions in whicishad said, that publiestioN amid writing imeet/illatel • . , ought to elapse without floally arranging this matter." rec one haired pounds . per anann,) • . the e, nlc felt nojoy, and mild obtain no advantage, - wer at that season of popular triumph, doomed not The Cabinet Canal on Tuesday sat till fi ve o'clock dent of the great of of the testitaisa. r e tri: hat,ta. offe"ce, that ha. 4..4. 311 Pr a t ha !fia t ° s letter, and pet it in hie' desk, and that •his servant , i in deliberation. to move their tongues. In symyathy with the ex- will be added, 50 nsore, expectant es hammy weshers. broke open flit desk and published the letter. would Yesterday, at two o'clock, another Cabinet Connell sited trelityra of the pariehioners, and to avoid the The.want of this institution was most feeliagly de- he be punished for i ts contents ? Publication 'teethe was held at the Foreign Office, which sat till about P aggravation of their melancholy musing, last Monday load by a Noble Lord daring the progress of a late three o'clock, when an adjournment took place till four. most obnoxious measure. His Lordship enedidly ad- only crime that a ff ected the public. The threes/milk • . night, which, though to the people in general, was au I aibing of light and joy, was to some " black Mon- At that time the Cabinet Ministers assembled 7:4 ranting, that almost all the talent and ability *1 tbe grounds of his notice were, that writieg a llbel Mut no o fence ; that writing and publishing are not the ' day" indeed, was to Ise distinguished from all the and continued in deliberation for above half as Public Press were arrayed against the admintstrathae. same offence ; F. , and __ that . thertas D . () proo f . ofinyoffence Thies Meet was attended by the same mob.. liimbes,that could be ever remembered by St. Martin's ' To prevent a recurrence of this misfortune, and to what to against Sir h. Burdett, except having writttn that i .- bells:mein:lig dumb. At an early hour of that me- the Cabinet un Tuesday. en tble Ministers to pursue their measures, or. - • 1 libel in Leicestershire. - M meal& • afternoon, his High Mightiness the chief Yesterday a Court of Directors was held at the last them is of more consecluence, retain their mats, this H e then referred their Lordships to several other - : t India House, when the following Captains were sworn Plan has been -Laerchriaiden, interdicted the steeple-keeper from proposed. To its completion we look authorities, and concluded by saying, that on all these omelet* the Belfre-iloor, and the disappointed ringers into the command of their respective shipa. via .--(i with the greatest anxiety, and shall not fail to give dS . F • Burdettentitled " mu d groan s Sir raneis was to a new taco A. Nairne, General Kid, for Bengal sad Wan; from time to time, the names of the newly-e , . 41 could move no other clappers than their own. In unison trial. . with his friend B—, o f Bow-street of fi ce, this exalted Captain 0 , O. Mayne, Atlas, for ditto. members pith sellable comments. Mr. Putt,t.tra followed on the same side. ?re air a , heetionate wished a solemn silence to prevail through- Yesterday, at three o'clock, his Alajesty held a NOW ROYAL LITERARY INSTITCTION. . tended that in this case the inception only hat. . oat the evening: but though as warden of the Church, Court at his Palace in Pall-Mall, at which rte Rev. D r %TWIN, TIE King's MONT RSCILLRAIT lIIAARIFTT. been committed in Leicestershire, and therefore the t , the worthy gentleman suppressed the joyful eosin& of Dr. Carey, the Bishop of Exeter. was introdoced to zu ....nobert snutne . yids a salary of sm. per renal ought not to hare been laid in that cdbility. l hells ;as oilman in the Strand, be objected not to see the King by L oni Viscount Castlereagh, iii the absence ra • and Lee esi ). .. or . -First test sabjett, Apostasy. la every one of the cases which his Leartmee the houses of his customers well illuminated. He sat of Viscount Sitimouth, to kiss hands, upon his appoiot- " mi. ' I I 'a! TICS Paasionsv-Willtam Wordsworth. salary VOL, Friends had cited, the crime itself hai beeu .iliz basself,in fact, a very shining example to his neigh- mere to that Bishopric. The Rev. Prelate did homage and a Lecusesetsip.-Fiert *attire. Prose run mod. . i tatted in the county in which it wee Mimic. : t • bean; and in terest combining contradictions be united his before his Majesty on the occasion. The Rev. Dr. istrarrmtv _ wonsin oisraed. 1301. earn of libel consisted in the pnblication - i itsehmt.. • ssit /.. esiMeting ins. Such a conduct is neither Hughes, Prebendary of St. Paul's Cathedral, attended . awls ; onn-De. . tam goodly the defendant in this case t o a r so t t ollOto as Clerk of the Closet. rare in the world, nor surprising in the case before Beau Patreh-ltsv. T. R. Malibu', laof. been tried in the cowl); of M . • • at. Th e gentleman is a dealer in articles of very op- .The Lord Chancellor, the Earl of Uremia. die 1 . Leen:acne at ISIL per anon. -st the publication was joie. 14Lesti ..... • . ~,, . •.} ,osite qualities. He is both oil and pichle•man ; and Viscount Castlereagh had audiences of his , Daniel Stuart, o Patching and Politics. needed to cite the ophaioas if ooyeral ... ""''• l ra ' ' l whila he is as smooth as oil to coortiers, he can be as Earl Delawar and Colonel Watley were Herbert Marsh, on Theology• law tathorittes is s pert atisis i -'a • ....- y and Broom in Waiting. . I Let Volsk • -‘ i. • 4 ti 4 e - ‘ 4 ::,, sharp as rine..-r to the radical crew. Bisbee of Leedom. on Morality. , requisition, signed by a great Dumber Yesterday afternoon, in consequence of the infamous A re q William Wilberforce, on Hypocrisy! Dart -24t1/ . 41 'of the Court of Common Council, has bees -----sams---•z ? t: : . , .... 1. Fatillaph in l'lse Morning Poet, souse gentlemen at . .George direst, on Plate aad Pensions. drethim call a to the lior Mayor, nesting i to OisiMts Mr. BOOTH atilleved as Loos, WAR die Stock Ezehange took the above paper and beret Rev. Mr. Ceseineham, oa Faith sad Rap. Edgar, last nigitil the Tenser patinae playpi I sth upon an early day, " To consider the prepeleepof it publicly. Mr. Syne, ea Iftesamery tad Peskin. more judgent, Ind lee eitTiragare *irk ersaiwit F , _. presenting an Address to her most gracious Ilijeety , Rev. Mr. Ray Massohester. on Matenery. Mr. Comma ' s H er will nine, raise, ear lower him - • Babb or 1 .ISISTCTSIGIT pas HIGH TRRASON.—ssr• Queen Caroline, upon the victory she has "Woe. yew. Medesrd. , ewe Free Pins. in the estimation M the public. Sane pada of It .are 1 • - Cheeks' , Pearson, the attorney, having understood over a foul and atrocious conspiracy seeking der Moe George limmers, on Satire. in fi nitely superior to the anal ' tallies '4%0 - • ' *kat' whin of indictment for high treason would he re- •. d ' 1• • blow jesty s estrneion, an among a at the knows Deals Oltries, on Sedition. character, while others beat a stamp of *Oa. • • .. sated to them, has gives rise to numerous conjectural laws of the land, and the dearest rights of =t a b; Fitzgerald, Om. on Poetry. ority. He was mach ',pleaded. 91kfee.was leeliteds • . . as to the posits against whom it 'way be supposed to men."—lli a Lordship has called a Court for George Canals', on Herat. tot the purpose of isloolieelag Itailme'Vestare. as •• . he directed, and that public report has pointed oat the next, the 21st Nocetubei. •- Jobs W. evoker. on Salaries and Sabeenimety. =us. from m he Itereetl:ndis;af bet eity, aminst er iotl Ike names of seireesi iadivideah who have takes a pro- A general meeting of the inhabitants of Yoakis to Nash, Hae.ve Aeatiteetare. , bested Harriman. We were sore! is Add het la - toinent part.in the cause of her Ma testy owe of deem, be held this da to take into consideretioa the mint These are stew of the appetenents arose, mode op: ' i mg no d e ,. sai spos io ws; siesw i s k dam e j s i • w i dis h . .. a as Its probable objects, has, in order to allay the feel- des}, the• to i ' lessee also the 11114 tha rsmatadee will be Sited up - witis all appal. iserdele. swig her sodgs in a styletby if ameZemeer Zia ,ing thus ereati d, taken occasion to address a letter to distressed state . . careen . ' . . immediately to dismiss his ministers, who, lye their -- personated. - The mastro iit Jove. krietbly : Bditur of a paper of this morning, hetesiolog lilalossiiirood at the opeeng • tabu pie* *My sots have already the peel, of the the inflistment to which the Learned Jodie all- 4.4°--- ' .. • endangered r k e el , Yesterday was die First Day of Drseetop dr fie = w e re di so wns". *sir oewstry and the stability of the throne.— or * State Lottery, when No. 1403 was &ow* a red* of 'volt was one against Franklin, alias Fleteher, iss. and the whole move • Nee• /3 10,000/. Camels, aid 11,000 f. money, looking a Prise altogether, could only ascend oilefr : . "tesithe to have been preferred by Mr. P. for high ' ' ' i 1 A meeting of the Oonnties of Kent ,aad SWIMS is of Twenty Thousand Ponds. It wan sold - !or 11 Aso one disarrangement of t% a • ~ I mann, in en.led%onriug to recite the people to re- respected to take place shortly, torldrem the Woes ea Shares by 11111111 , at his fortunate Oliata.4. c o nga. sod diet woe all obliged to Ntes. lieiiige w aild, Li force, to subvert the laws mad nun-- le a • Yl' • awl 9, ChariatCrow, wad by bit Aphis I s sii• • _,- ~ . Y-• - I .. ti.the country. The bill in leathern was in- her acquittal • Tim Alexander le dal to hash ~.. '• to have teen presented on Moaday, Ma Mr. Mr. Callum, therespestabloproprietoeof TheAVred, C oun tr y, vis ta .— - I ilhOMMls..essessilisena •••iitehe English the ptiellegivritkbvisay ye •-•.4 • . 1 1 ' t i li, it appears, hayloft reorivoil, so Satoniay, the West of England a/venal. apd, his nee. were es ! riff , . • . ...2114 11 I dixtreo*- -11altelosees Mieinsintly enjoyed, of sopplying Rieskii I . eidatloaal important leforwatioa rearedog fasts Monday presented to the fallara, aad meet graciously ; l'ira •••• fltiiiii a I = -TWIIIII " Fr gol to Irate coakned It on a 'a - qr-7` I i he had nut saficieat tints to embody before the received. Mr. C., we noderelmesh teas Mom& by .1 Illehtli....iiiVioneeem I ...Waterworn , • isereellailirers. " This deeillime ft attar Igo - y, be therefore deferred the presentation 0 the :her Majesty with a long meavematioe. It is tratifye I Eighth.... Wosvaisomsetew . tie neat meeting of the same Joey, wMili lag to Iltnd her MajsMy.takoolualmotive as well se SISM sloe sell Mc MM. SOW. aid 14a 1141 mesh O" it is said. .• give on/ Ilk la 114. - i - , amandbaturers of Mao sOil !the veer OA , of * t ~ pion in a few days. - . affable to her omit*. The losistitadosal Alerts VW Wham's= a Nest Teeedsreresh, Illlti 4bettlellft It is enlenfatdd diet ffintlitail :la 0 • N. 1403, (Claes , *amen Pebei of of The illfi - ed. le the canoe of Went libel. as well The seirest toillints." Nilfi iiiili . •• at hoods, CsiosikCilha I* 1p hat 40 the • eelleillibit lesellectiles • tltte•rrises. whit* her Wiwi* se lals ai ons tr i of IMAM. soli op: - - 411111111 "5 7 • ) . . shot be doses: ilrodisoei ,111rbie umtboity ter Ohio • ? - 1 ' royal and Ca. at • Sera IP- Msjestilbes watered, coda! Mr. Cantor 10 Moosiolla allow - ' Tishohehilifmos ea PS , tithes •. . it ,M tin. . ... - -. i - - I t t,.:: e.: . i • Si, Conlin). aad Maleeekelroec of every friend of hoodrmis. • .. ~ • ,• - ' • ~ 6 r . , 1 4; I • .. 3 • . .., . . • ,-. 1 . ... • 4 r: ,1 t I rii .i : • —_.._-_,._ - —. I • . . 1 I r . ..'.... -.• .. ••• .r- r .., -......... , ...