The Statesman. — London, England, 1819-12-07 00:00:00

wee . —there wee a defter or greater ustgoisedo.-.• Tbry desired Reform—it was garotted speedily eg g ii the House did not grant it, he feared it wield b e r eformed in a musses whkh no rational or nodo rats se , ' anew wish. Ile shookd larmeot to see any RAMOS which wield go to overture the Candidlos. 11,,,e5s was ORO of the great sources of the pelvic dimmatest—distress crested by (nation. This distress, so Bill, no measure of msereieui, would When he hosed the assertion of the Noble Lo▪ rd, with respect to the distress of this country, as o log a tiog from be distress of America, he was alto. „lwd. We had practised on foreign coostries as we. s hed system of monopoly, bat they would sow pear. time that Wee against as which we have practised seism them. As an evidence of this disposition, he mead swains, that when Government laid a duty os mpe mid, theDetch imposed a dety on rape cake,which povented Its isiportatioa tato this soestry. If the Noble Lord would look ints the real *harden of the well y, he would led that her whole restverces did no t ' appal three !toadied millions, whilst her mats tweeted to ditty 1, 11 ,„A, a state of „dogs, groat alterations were necomary—much of Reform— mnieb of revivalistic)* and of .wisdom to sees her. The Hill before the Roots was ',ideally draws op in s hasty manner. He would stale see daess of it. A person subject to the penalties of the Bill was liable to he brought immediately hereto the J Ages of Ace ties or of Sessiees, to be pet spin his trial ; he wee entirely to tiered upon the favour of ths Justice fee se o p e .tiesity to produce his witnesses, mod to pre. pare his defame. He had no desert what the feetiop o f the Judges would be, remarkable es they were for • seeder sad a pure regard for the liberties of the subject; bet he asked was this a Wootton to Sam p e way emerged with OA sleets against law ? Mr. FUZZ FITZGERALD sold he heard with great ottefictlee *bat fell free his Noble Friend ( Lord Camleresils). concurring as he did in the prin ciple of dm Dill. Ha was glad to hear of those al. tentless which he proposed, Imams they west eats.' Tien the atestry that the ishjeat of the measures was to prevent tesseiteary steetingssiet to invade the eights of the people, bet, es the costrary, to all. sr a fair opporteolly for the exercise of these rights.— lie had sue altered** to sagest—it was to protect the Meetings of the Catholics of Ireland, who, to their credit be it meationed, ewer met bet for the pirpronrs of deliberstion. He would wish that the /3111 should extend to give power to meet is Wilk headings as well us in rooms ; the Catholics of Its. laud e ily mot in their chapels or is coed. bosses; if the Bill was ass extended, it would pro. test 'hid. Mooting'. Sir R. WILSON condeverted the wessaree es dr. signs to break down tho fences of the law, to Intro. den dans-nova innovatious, to establish erbitraey power, god to deprive the people of their liberties; it was intended to stile their compleists at a moment when their wrongs wars greatly eg. vacated, sad whets they had bet too jest' cease for alarm.—( flew, kraal)—lf the British Gen:rawest were, leaked, to be termed into a des. pones. he did sot care how oboe a sesgekary eye. tem of laws were established ; for be sbeeld net thick a country submitted to sects role worth ding. ing to ad deems. ad Meriden well swam; wet hart tenements, art eras digaifels asorisursw." He thiamin that the other Bills were, if possible, more obunsioss than that ender the coaddentlea of the House. The Bill retatisi to the search for eras was &trey opposite to the Bill of Rights ; for dist, the House was well aware, recognised the right of every subject to keep arms for his protecties. Bet what were the preeisions of the Bill ? If any per. ass whatever, even a personal enemy, a spy or an Wormer, lodged inforwatiaa before a Magistrate, that such as individual had arms for &quotas pur poses, It conferred the power of Mishit/ into bit boost, which was his castle, at any hoes by sight sr by day Bet suppose a eeoaMblo were to awn • sad attempt to force an 'stream isle a mes's how at an easeassnable hoer of the night, and the sone• met knowing that he was estkoriaed in the attempt and 'Making 'het his hoes* wee kis castle, sliest d eller resistance and shoot hie, what disallos would that individeet thee be in by the laws of his coestry? He could not be hanged, for aceordiag to them he bed sot committed murder; bat wader this straw losevaties en thew, he wield be shot for a rebel ! The Bill before the Hoes* was set an Bwelleb welding: it might hare doss ashes William the Coin came into England, or for Willis. 111. when he WO in beim& Bet let the Hoes. mark what was done in England—ln show bow well on English [loose of Commons did its daty 'swords Begltnd ; he should read an attract from an Act of that P :snowiest for disarming Papists. It provided. that it any two or more Justices of the Plitt may, from time to tins*, by warrant ender their bead and ▪ sethesise and empower any person et per. sees, a in the day.tiore,' with the assistsoce of a eeestable, to enter houses and search for arms."— Bet they. in the eleeteeeth century, meta allow the selejeet's hose* to be forced epos " by eight Of by day ."—(/tear, hear,Aear!)—Bat it had base Mated in soother piece, that necessity celled fee the savesnre. Was not this the plea which wee lovariably made ? Was it sot that which Mimed the Third made wise he murdered Restless I—, Re said, that if they west on in this way. Not wield establish that liberty of the press which had Nee described in an old French comedy— `' Provided I say against the things that are. Of OD polities, religion, Of 'morality, or against any body. I may publish what I please, tidied to the provisinos henry mentioned."—(4 laugh.)—As for rerestieg blasphemous pabications by coercive SWOON Re theoght it a great error to attempt to es. move religion from the rock on .which it stood, or to support it by any other means than these—or piment, gved-eill, benevolence, and charity.--- (Mar, leer, hear!)—The Gellstit General, then alter rnmpiitmen tog the Clergy of the Established Church for their general cooled, animadverted, in pointed terms, on their stoic ink, in terrain tastes, is the east ntion of inf•Sillaittly 40. 9eir measetea against the people. lie raid, that the whole series of the now Bills was a Imryi. is of war 'amino the people—and as it use the mos: issariloos mode of gettni rid o f the di er owtents. it I.+e the n. =• ea!onsive. Let XI V. Mil - - " Af er toe . " delete!!!" F c ' • I,,ri tea, 1;..t o .tit 1.1,0 of goteinment would iu : seirrtal beekteptcy sod rats, tad that shoo cusfosiiie sod that they would meet with epprobstion sad prow. Lord STANLEY in es...etiquette of •rs wedge gamey hod overlowed tie s eta, obey sleueld eat : tie. le a high inner. Oe 'lee natio+ of the mode to hi. by 'be prorodbig linker. ttettee 4 s" "? he able to end se ark to owe Ibm;sselees.—Ereel If ant Unties la Smithfield, the Lord Mayor eon. a fee words in explanation of the sperm. he wi d e die Noble Loa carried bit mantes wish trinephamt soiled the Secretary of State, sod wee Informed De a former night. What be said ins. the he to old majorities, whet would ow people my ? that the by him that do proposed Mating was perfectly net, in consequence of his oath, emu lion the merits Noble Lord had heed his stojeritia greet, Ire pre. legal; thoseh his Lordship was not satisitek eith. of the partinlar ease, velem called urn bet. re a Parties a. bk sears. sere encoestiro li nsl. est fettle , setkerlty, mad eppesled, as hi en.. Court if 'retire, et by the authority of Parliament. (Here the Good 'lewd was fiaerrapted es dammed, to the city lawyers. It seemed to blue, ils either nee, be shnold feel Miguel( jorTfie I to ceaghing free* tbs efisseeterzad Beaeliee)--He hunter, that the ease of Mortises derieg the ! dhelos , what occerred. setwithstonding the power Isboold be sorry te oboe, the pollees' of the Illattif,prootediegs, was a preasseerted thing. If nese- lof that esths—(Hears beer 0 -Wl' b reference se' 'bet be Mt Mead obliged to perform a duty width ' eery, he mild prove that a gnat proportion of 1 Mr. Heet's Petition, ii Matod facts as (penning bed bees isposed ise leek With regard to the pen. the people gambled at that time *tended from before a Greed Jery, of which the Petitioner could does, conereleg the sinent of which* the N.M. motives of curiosity. The Mattes el the 18.1 key@ in reality koalas settelig. Lod had spoke. so highly a few sights bdoee, Ansel had not, et the time it was broken in Mr. BOOTLE WILBRIIIIAM asked, whether woad sot the pe•ple pow ay that It was wader one, bete piny of any riot,or soy *thee eel nem the Hee. Member (Mr. D. W. Haney) went to deer &Mtn that he ease dun, sad ventured to teary to low, and fleeter,* be geoid sot bet look state they the Greed Jury refesed to receive the propose, sad seneeded in nails; mascara rem- epee it es perfectly legal. Bet it wee objected evidence of Derbyshire f Met to tbet lirm fuedemental eights of the people?— that it we, deatentes—be stored that seek Meet. Mt. D. W. HARVEY did net wen to say say Efhar!)—messeres which, !maid, lf the Hesse if legs wore dung-roes, Impolitic, emeriti, say, he snit thing. All he had emoted woo, that on pub. Commoes persevered is sonsiesing, it wield be ',weld p father sod say, shat they were most He 'needs it would be desireble to knew the res. piny of political aikido. Is the pretest crisis, he woken to the nese of Reform, sad if his son which lelleenced the Grand Joey to keine law bet ese costa for 'hem to pers.., that from all Majesty's itleistees were esziees to pet dews pertireler bills. They may bar ignored them by ponies eed every side of the Hone. Meehan obieeld the ace, of Referee they would tenors" thee.— ado, Hell e particular rule, and aiding upon it to the sale and exclaim, 1, Nolmearkges Anglia eteasef.” Here then was en ackeeetedged evil ; seed bow was eselesioe of a mists line of evidence, which, if ed. Eller. hear)]—lf they observed that priselple. It to be got rid of ?By toseilistion. Lord Fits. witted, would, Molten, have led them to a digerati they would be enabled to brave and estate ell pm wallas had set Noblemen and Guillaume se stem- resell. ells—trey might to ride le the whirlwind sod direct pie, which weed be prodectin, if Imiletted, of the Mr. BOOTLE WILBRAHAM Mated, that the the sterm."—(Cheers.) happiest erects; seethe took epee bison softy, that Grand Jery had made no set b rile, sot refused any Mr. GRENFELL said, that no one beard his if people of reek sod properly west amass the peo. perttemlar evideace. Honorable and Gallant Frivol deliver Ms @esti- pie, they would renew their weederlog offeetiess, Mr. C. 11. HUTCHINSON, after lease ating lb. meets with greater pleasure than he did es all bet was than away from their prejedlees and aeon, pastel neeseity le which he fumed himself, el tree. soldects.—[4 heves t —Ol. obese, iodated, sad soon destroy all the credit and lasers .of ilf. passim; open the attendee of the Hnese, after the tried fess his in the oinhost degree; he wee errant orators. Bet hew did Ike Noble Lottleeese to speeches that were Bade by his Honourable ninth' se distant frees hie way of thinkleg, as on pole gain °worths ran? By lecreesieg their irritedee. atoned Ile, warmly defended his Honorable sod from the ^We-- iffeerti—The liesentrable sad That Hoene had beets anted, he believed by Lord Galleet Fileed (Sir Robert Wants) from the 'mark Gailent George! ad Inland that his Majesty's Somas, the Greed legiest of the Nodes, sad so midi open his by the Ifni Member f.r Marlow Mbelaters merited impeachment for the meateree they called, bemuse Slidell wee to esquire late dee is. (Mr. Greefell). He was the more reedy to ripest W reposed to the Hume. lee believed that that politic sod creel weeseres of the Ministers of sod justify every expression made in of by lie posesedieg ins en conlieid to the Mististers if the Crown. Geodes', opposite, indeed, said, Hoe. and Ganged !Pitied, se he was se much in the tall Crews ; and, If all ehe 'height ebb them that Mistime,* were guilty of lie oppressive sera. 'obit if gonna-nog his feelings sod Wants with his as the nenot eecasin were to be involved is toot sere—that they were a mild sad bummed set own epee every occesios.—(fleer 1)—B-tire he Me, be should submit to it Isinesett.—CU/seers.l--. of see. Bet the people had takes It bete peneeded farther, be begged le ask his Majesty's If the Bill were enacted f.r a .shorter time 'hen ice their beads deal they had bees oppressed.-- beloldrast whether it wee their illteeliee to *ldeal rams it would, is his opining', be wholly inlicieet, The Hesse thee unneeded the Habeas Capes Aet, the peovisions of this Bill to leased l list le weed beep alive the hopes of the districted, sad pissed Gagglog Bills, but the newest then Acts Mr. C. GRANT replied, that It was letended to sad Wally fall is erecteally chackieg their dailies. *spired, do peple heieme worse thus ever ; and include Ireland edible the operates of the 11'11. aq_4•Beirs.) for this reason, it wu their duty to look out for Mr. HUTCHINiON lesesurd, sod with great sal. Ille R. WILSON, le ezpiainieg, said, that he bed nee ether mean for quisolog their clauseen, mattes recalled she etteeties of the Hoes* so the esseelved Mr. Vass (kis shaking bands with him had sad he believed the best mode was, to call epee speech of the Noble Lord (Castlereagh) when he bees shaded to le Mr. G.'s space) le be gently the people to mete known the causes of their latrodeted ibis Bill to their coesiderstioe—a Bill entered, wad that le him tbe eights of all Eetlisheerwe &unmet, to Invite them, with their Petition, to whieh would be for ever cemented with his same.— bed bees ieveded..-(/Iser.)-11e had given him his the bar of the Hoes*, to receive them with at. (Hear!) —Did set that Noble Lord, le his epee. limed to slow that be wield go hind in land with autos, sod • sincere disposition to tenant them, ins speech, await the nimble state of 'reload NS. He considered that it would have beets des- wish a view to remove the cusses of complaint.— wish the disturbed eoaditio• rid &gland ? Did he gireafel anti shameful to him if he had net den se, IH e erti—Shoold the Petitioners thee mistake mot apron his pride aid satisfaction at seeieg what bet emelt more dbgrecefel if he bed lobes the kends the sothod of relieving their diluent's, they might he termed the peaceable sod resperons state of a of those stained with the bleed of their country- be 'hewed their error, aid, et least they woold have eneetry with •bith he was se e coneeeted I see.—(lleart) theronsolenomotleaviegdone theirdity.— [ Heerl ] — Why thee did the Noble Lord s e a m yt he peaceable Mr. V. BLAKE spoke to support of the mules. The lion. Member thee aelmedvated en the passing sod tranquil slate 0 Ireland if he snot to visit M. RICARDO was of opiates that suiclent et. of loyal declaiming. which he 'Mesita were why that country with the pains sod penalties of Is. Iselin was not eseeally given to the see nature, intended to threw discredit on those who abstaleed BM of coercive ? Whet was the Noble Lord's is. the riles, end importing of the right, obit's it wee hem them. Ile had better empoetemides of ceder. teatime by adoptieg seek a delusive curse ? Did be lb , object el Ilse Bill been the Meese St reelrsio- ehadleg the sestieteets and elision of dee middle fete d to deceivee seemly Irish Members, will —(flear, hear !)—lt seemed "morally to he looked sod lower classes of society thaw almost any Mem. feted with bite we the laser eight, sad to lotion omen merely as the right to meet for tee purpose of her of that Hesse—fa the last amemeleteenty years them to gin Asir seppert, seder Ike idea that readouts' ageism grinaeces. Now, was It eeehn. be hod bees in the habit ef freqeestly weedsg p.. tingle England was to be coerced, Iceland was to ed to thee, be should leek upon its presertatioet peter wootisgs, and he meeld assure the Hems that be free 1 The Ministers, le brlngieg forward then much less asaisesly than he did. The great is. isdkideals of this deseriptioe possessed a degree 1111Plellftl i tame before their ementry with fain pertain which he attached IA it, was founded of atermatiom se political subjects width maid melons. Wore these the glories that followed the 'es the oppottesity which it afforded to the people esteisish Miteeereble Members. Ile endesested Ignore of ',petards of half a teeter, of sided. to meet together le keg@ numbers, where they cos their plans of Medical Reform- he theeght them eistratins like thermal ? The pollee ef England moniested their seetimeets and spirit, sod eel- wild sod visionary , sod he bad always theeght se. was reprobstod all one Rarer. Useless the af. Ogled see asstbet—(/leer, beer!)—used present- Bet there bed be Individuals of distiegeleked is. helloes of the people shield be encilisted, Bills id ed to Ministas an impale" frost to duet them from Int aid leersieg, wl. bed bon friendly to than pains cad pesalies mist be wady esavailleg. pundits rigerees mieseres of Govetemoot, or press- doctrine—be might nation Sir Robert Rapeseed, Mr. GRENFELI, captained. leg the enactment of Impolitic or cruel 1..9 , -* the Chief Justice. There was soother fedividnel with Mr. BARIIAM mild eat admit that the netlesak (Hear, hear!)—The Silence of the people in this slaw he had the happiness to be actiosinted, aid who character of England was at all degraded ; end as slew, was something similar to the cootroulling nestle steed es high as say one in the estimation of Masashi's, must be very noreaseeable indeed who power et the Hasa; foe if this Howse were !fuelled the Hee. Member for Blusher, whom he saw below should net be satisfied with the estimation in width in its opposition to Administration to the mere vote bias, he sweet 'be late Mn. &engine Sharpe, who tee mational character was held le every pert of of its Members, it would operate almost as smiling had avowed those opinions. He believed it was the Europe. He had me doubt of the illegality of the of a check ; their Pestles! centroel was derived from sincere enaction of most of these who held them, Manchester !footle.; sod at theme. time had bees et the sight to withhold supplies, and to stir op by that they would be pradseive of good. The great epithets, that the first step es the part of that Hone their speeehn the people le raiment, in times of system at Administration for the last re years was shasld have been eageiry. He could not thick that great danger.—(lleer, hen!)—lie limelight it weeld to brat dews the middle claws of society, and Parliament had kiln telecom's,' •itle the people.. be modem of the Horse to proceed se far—(!tear, these were sow disabled from giving emplityment tad lie should solemn's the masers, if limited to Its /seer !)—whets a men safe and medusa cease to tic wages to the !shooting part of the popelatiow. But yen, sod enelleal to the disaffected districts; eel sobs end woe epee. would these entente ensures ten the ail? The would set oppose its *standee le ether distelcti tO Mr. Alderman WAITIIMAN said, that he should Noble Lord knew they tumid not. It would break which the dissfectiee might *steed. Parliament be me unwilling is tho the esheeeted state et the out aisle likes vole's*, and overwhelm every thing spoke the lease of the people epee all laportaet Hoe's, to trespass es its attention csetelessly, bet fa confutes and rein. All the disceetent might be msestioes. topiresenieg, as he did, so large a portion of the pens cured at once, by a Resoletiee of the Ileum toad- Mr. HUTCHINSON @sidelined. pie is that Nees*, he deemed it an indispensable dress the Crows to dismiss the patent Ministers.— Mr. KNOX addiessed the Hove at some Mega g duty to espross his °Pintoes on the present subject.— [.. Isegle.]—le old times the Constitution of the bet was 'holly inaudible is the gallery. lie conceited nespletely in the opinion of the country used to go dereogie times of danger, bet lat. Mr../. SMITH sheered, that it had been Mated Honorable Member who bed jest down (Mr. tali the fatties was to seared the Habeas Corpus. that leftist Newcastle sad Carlisle there wets Ricardo), that snoop was not thoeght of the meg- He thought that Ministers had takes for the model 100,000 mai is arum That amid met be tree, be. eitette of she right erected by the DM ender coo. of their ended the maser,' of the letter years of nese it was impossible. Is 1811, the whole of the sideratton—Oleer, hear I)—Rod the Hesse of Ceuta 11. aid of James 11. which led to the Re. popelatin of Northemberleed, Cumberland, mad Canons were sew about to pass laws desimentsi voistitse. Ile mainteleed that this was the boldest Durham, amounted to 480,003. and since that time to great popular rights before the people had time 1111111$11f11 over vootend on by bileietere been; for there might he ea addisles of 70,000 men. le the to egress their opinion es them, or petition against sespendiee the Habeas Corpus was soothing like pre- *bee of them needs* the sombre of .em capable them, or eves aspire the degree of koewiedge tie. meeting the people boas teeming together to espies at Merin eras and set such elated 100,000 mem, cosset, to forma julgment of their teadescy. He their usitimeets ea public areirs.—(Heeel)—The sod the. the Clergy most be included. The state. believed the Sheriffs of Louden were sew at their right of kindles arms was MO .1 the moat eeriest meets auk bed caused mu& alarm, and list Satan. deers with a Petition against them from the which the subject esj.yed. There was a sung feel. pay had ben a complete paste, so as to induce many Corporation. It was above then ninths Mon fog I. the coontry for ruined, indents Referee; to Mader their property to Foreign Feeds. Is the oetrages were committed at Manchester; for that Reins which walla n alter the Constitution smell Feeds he had net, ser ever wield have, a single wheel the citizens of London addressed the Crews of the House that it would effectually topmast the shilling. Seth statements had a teedency materially shortly after, praying that Parliament might be property sod popelation of the ceentry.--{(.Xeres.) to affect the radiatr, and so to retard the retire to together to institutes@ investigation into the frame- Mr. THOMAS WILSON thought that the causes a metallic eerteacy. does they were answered by Ministers that they were of the discount were thole ever which tbe Misistry A MEMBER stated, that be should supped Mi. 'tot @efficiently informed an the subject. Bet it was or the Haas could hare no colonel. As en honest mister', as the Consitatin was in danger, which he very eatraordinary 'heti( Ministers were le ptomaine I man, sad an Esellshman, he thought that the met. had swore to &Ind. of such lefirmatiee as would justify thew in 'debits* sure before the Hoes*, limited es it was to be in its Another MEMBER agreed with the last speaker 1 the Niece Hatest to thank the Magistrates for their enrollee to live years, wee for the geed of the bet one, (Mr. Smith), that the somber of dee die k - conduct, they bad not in the l o ng iota's! set the pee. , country. affected in the Northers Conlin bed hen sac pie right en the paint, end saved them the trouble of I Mr.. D. W. lIAItVICY was of opiate. !bat the essegersted. all the Meetings and Resoletioes, a tut other *endive's i sew reessues would rather augment thee allay the Sir R. HERON observed, that his opposition to press on enquiry. Bet he hid yet le learn whereis , winner discontent, end, therefore, he ehould.vote was so decided evilest the meesere, that he would the citizens of Gondola had been wrong, for linking ' against them alloceiter. The tree remedies, in his limes to so modification in the provisions ass set off to the papers on the table, they left him es much iii 1 opinion, were the diminution, or rather equalize's, evilest the principle. Better at once, when sech the dark as he had been before.—(llear!)—A great lof tatatiee, by lightning the horden which premed an infraction of the Coestitetion was contemplated. deal bad beets said on both sides of the lines , enequally on the poor, and a change in the repro. that Ministers should take the whole respossihnity shoot the legality or the illegality .1 the sieetin‘ ; **titration of the country. Ile thoeght it ought to be epos themselves. It was idle to talk of do Con. bet if that were a question of such doubt and slitS. ; elearly shown, that whet had induced the Greed siltation *bee, on every occasion, it woe thus to be evilly, that the greatest law esthorities in the Ilnose i Jury of !Ancestor to throw est the Hills, was sot hooded. The Meister' might write the word Is gilt could not agree en it, it sorely was wrong in the . that they had totemd to hear evidence; that they had letters for their mute, bet it was a were dead Slanchester Magistrates to disperse the meeting on . not, fdr instance, Come to the dwerwioatins e l sot letter whoa the practice was to at it acids en every their own authority. Bet the Howe ought to lobo* receiving the evidence of Derbyshire at all. Ills rite real or supposed emerincy. It was said by Mini .hat consmenications passed between Item soh the of the question o f R e f or m was, that theta was sot a sets on the Manchester premed's,' that it was entaie tioieument, and what instructions h a d been nivel, Member of that Hasse who ought sot, at some lime to prejudge the Magistrates. It was his il sty to tell them previ-es te the Meeting. He wee inclined to or ether, be ant buck to • .eortain portion of the that Hoes. that it hod so right to Peejoillt the pen. i•ele-so list tt.ey would not have takes awls a Serious people to *bun he s onic' be y e epesiihts and fe eder pie, and by cosh seasons es the rani they no ~ . i•-i1) 1 ' y no I! , craseires withost the kneeled's i n "'tenet of his conducts . wily prejudged bet ptia alal the.. —(flea^, *cur!) r , r i /