The National Register. — London, England, 1819-11-28 00:00:00

'NOV. 19 authorities. As to the redress talked of, what redress could •be obtain • by a multitude against a bench of magistrates; and where was any etthrt making to afford redress? 'fhe proceeding against Mr. Hunt was regarding what took place before the meeting; for a lOU took place afterwards. where 'etre the Minsk the it weadesirous to aim redress. The Prince Regent's Letter of Thanks was mom injuditioum it made the ministers and ena gisttates parties m tile question, and all of them were interested •in resisting immiry. Hut inquiry most conic, and to the coati - Mon of litany of those who now cletiaeleal the Mtneliester oagu trates. Then, to unite all partite, came the dismissal of Lord Fitswilliam—.a man In whose case the whole country sympa. thised. That Noble Lord had been the main stay of Adminis -tion,and hisLorelship had preserved the tranquillity et'Vorkshire; and the return fur such cervices was the removal of -Lord Fitz velem. He wished to know why Mr. Ilunt had not betn • arrested the day before the meeting, if it was thought necessary •to arrest him at all. Precisely the game thing was done in London, in the case of a Mr. Harrison, who was taken in Smithfield, and though troops were not employed upon that oc -cation, they were in re:minims so act. He did not know why London ahould be put in such hazard. Mr. Harrison was, however, taken quietly ; but wiry the metiopolis should be put in co Doom because it was judged expedient to take a man at it o'clock en one eay, who might have been taken at 12 o'clock the day betatm•was for the advisers of inch a proceeding to deter • • mine. Theue.were the reasons he lout tor refusing to place reli ance in*. cantina of minister%, and for opposing any immediate • measure leading to the increase of military force. The military puwerwef the country had nut been in ore instance overcome. A necessity for adding to them might perhaps exist; but till is full explanation of al. these objections took place, till it was sheen • that miniater: had properly used the means they ;swanned. lie coull not think of augmenting the military force. He considered that there was much apprehension in the country of an attack upon the liberty of the subject, and that the attack was exempli lied in the numerous attempts to provoke the people to tumult. The Constitution was at stake in the debate of that night (Hear, • hears. His design was not to speak, except in general terms. of the Manchester calamities, butlie denounced altogether the prin ciple of attempting to preserve the country by tuition) , law, or any other system of coercion. If such a method was adopted, there could be no use in raising a mans lie-al in that House upon the subject of liberty, for from that moment the people would beat the mercy of Ministers; end that line of separation which had been always dresuled would be drawn, the line of separation between the higher and lower orders—(Hear, hear). lie hoped dune in power would take warning from the Revelu. • - tion in France. By timely and di-creet measures that Revolu aition might have been avoided; but nothingheing dour towards •conciliation, the contrary was the case, anti all .oulers of society were mixed in indiscriminate confusion. which ended general destruction—(Hear). He did nut believe that the perilous termed Radicals were at ail to be feared; but there was u large Impulse -lion, which was deeply attentive to. the conduct of Unit House, and not at all well disposed towardsiti in consequence of what it bad done. That population it would be dangerous to irritate to a higher degree of disguat. It' 'Ministers would show &willingness to make the necessary enquiry, Ire should stand by thent ; but while be was deterituned. to upheld • - the laws, he was equally resolute in maintaining their right:—(Hear, hear). 'llie 'tight Bon. Gentleman conciused with moving au Amendment expressive of the regret felt by the House at the proceedings rat Manchester, and declaring the necessity of making an en. quiry, &c. The Alarnnis of TAYISTOCIE seconded the Amendment. After having made some general observations upon the, perils with which he conceived the country to he surround...AL lie advert the Manchester proceedings. Ile culled tor a calm and patientannitigation into the eiredinstanessi attending that event. . and disidaiined all idea of any other object in view than truth and justice, and the praqule's happiness.--t Hear, hear!) Ile was not • disposed to quesuon Ilia motives of Ministers, as to then general • couduct, but he could not view without surprise the ciamissal of a Noble land who had the boldness to oppose the principles which menus' to actuate those who dispersed the Meeting, and who hail minim detected, and exposed the system of spies, (near, hear,) and commanded the respect and approbation of the pub there were circumstances of danger ettendiutt upon- , large public meetings he was ready to adinit, but proofs should ire given of hie necessity sal caUtng in the military, before sac:f an extremity was resorted to. When Nlinisters had gone so tar as not to be able to carry on the Government without the assist ance of the bayonet, they had indeed much to &newer for. (Hear, hear.) It could not but be acknowledged that there existed hnt little sympathy between the Parliament and the people. Concilia- . Lion was indt-pen ably nets cry; the burthens of the people should be lightened. It die Chaimellor of the achequer crave down to the Howie with a renewal of the Property Tax. he (the Noble Lor)) should agree with hint upon this condition—that the taxes upon the poor 'mould undergo a prmrortionate diminution, that the public should no longer be insulted by large grants of the public name, improperly mimic, and that all ocelot, places slave 1,.• be abolished. 'then. arid not till then, would he votelor the pro. petty tax. The breach that now existed might be yet repaired, it the people wei e not driven to den air. A step towards Reform, above ull things, MA/ necemery. He was not prepared to say what specific Reform would b: advisenble, but he acts convince', that so long as that ',Anise remained as it was, the people would not, and ought not to 4m satisfied. • (Hear, hear.) Huns hod roan frequently tliromi.cut against the loyalty of the people— could airy one doubt that lumilty s atter an expensive war, doting which they had endured taxation patiently. Ile would venture to say, that if terms of compassion were used in tae place of the -insulting language so which they were accuinomed, thousands. whom trovernimin thought their enemies. and treated with harshness, would be completely Jimmied. The NoOle Lord concluded with again recounnending, in the strongest manner, that an enquirreliould be entered upon ; and above all, that the people should not be treated with derision and exintempt. Lord I. As ruinhAtiii icis to oppose the Amendment. lle admitted that Jh sorter were hew pl iced in ii mon in.. risk bility,.particularly as regarded I lie spume which it was danger to pursue. .Under the Myths , thud the public safety would be risked by delay, they had come to u deter- in mum iuu to lay . Utunediately before Pat liament the inter .ni•l upon, which it evils their intention to linguist writ -OW et Inn the preservation of the pun lc tranquilits ,could nut at the sane time help dean tog, lit the most en go:shard terms, that the coalideoce oi the people in nient had ilimiuished. He wins runs lured thin Pas liaincot land weird with such anxious desire so betietit the publie,, iby proving that they were abl • arid es-solved to meet.' difficulties at home as well its abroad, that tors doubt than .ever existed in he score uf gene' of approiratiou.--'l'herr was scarcely II bill Ale measure pursued hr Parliament iii which tire publer had nut . joined, and so hermits the House snider the coniroul of the Public. that ow Attiniaistrativa -could exist it idiom its positive unit onequivoral Cstictiou. There were, in bra opinisnt, no ground. for carrying the •rititeedinent to the Ansi ofdhe Throne, nor did be ever hear i tt speech Tess qualities, to snake ism impression of the neer.- eity of making such an nudists,. to the proposed Address. II was, in fact, a Speech suede for the purpose of materva• -Joins the real bituat ttttt of the country. Upon the question of the state of the country ire should net how refer, ins he eonceiveit it necessary to lay before toe House all the infor mention Government had received upon the subject, befure a disassion should Ire entered upon. As soon as the papers orbciell would be io readiness to-morrow) were read, he THE NATIANAL REGISTEU. should propose measnres for their adoption. Ha then entered into a defence of the conduct of the Manchester Magistrates. He stated that they had no idea Af arresting Hunt until be was seen In the midst of the multitude, with the blasters of a treasonable character Ming sibuut him. It oas a folse view of the question to *ay that a crowd, con. lasting of nom. women and children, wise ordered to he at tacked. It was neser its the contemplation of-she Magis trates that the Merong should be dispersed in that way, and those who attributed a samiguiltur) disposition to the Magic Orates were inhuman for doing so without the slightest scin tilla of evidence. The Noble Lord here ridiculed the cen. sere thrown upon the Yeomanry by Mr. Tierney, aho on former invasions, used le say, that the liberties of the people could mit be inviter custody than in that of such a body. He contended that the Magistrates would have been guilty sn the eye of the Ise, if they had seffered the meeting to gu on after the caption of Hunt hail been effected, that Hies had determined to effect the dispers;on wish as little Injury to the individuals as possible, and that all the forms with respect Si, the reading of the Riot Act had been strictly complied with. It %fluid slot, he said, be too chat irible to believe, that those alto had comineuced sn mildly anted continue to art iu the same manner. They did so= but an assault was commenced upon the part of the mullilsode uj the manor,. and the assailants were provided a lilt stones and arias of a mote hostile &scrip. Mr. &mile Wilbraham (a Lancashire Magistrate). Mr. Stuart Wordy, Mr. Plunkett, the Attorney General. Mr. Wilberforce. supported the original Addreas ; and Mr. Coke, Lord Milton. Sir James Mackintosh, and Mr. Scarlet the Amendment.—At 5 o'clock an adjournment to'Wedneaday was moved, and after a long debase on the prop riety of such a motion, was carried.— Adjoutnedat half past three. WEDNESDAY. xnv. DiSTIMEED °DIKTER:IS. Lorn CASTLEItiIAGI - presented copies of a letter from the Manehester Magistrates. dated .Jul', I of a letter, enclosing resolutions. from %% arrington, Bt--. Ordered to be printed, his Lordship adding, that they would he ready in about an hour.— The NobldtAred then submitted the usual sessional motions for Committees of Justice, &c. Resolutions against the interference of Peers in Elections, the presence of strangers, &c. which were severally agreed to. annul:as TC TNE•PRINCE REGENT . . . . . hoed COsSi'LEREAGH moved the order of the day for re suming the adjourned debate on the Addrese to the Prince Regent —Agreed to. Lord CASTLEREAGH said that last uight he had repelled assertion by assertion ; that he lard submitted that tit opportu nities fur enquiry had arrived ; and that the attack on the Meet ing was justifiable. as being in self defence. orders were given by the Nhigistrates, who viewed the proceedings from . a wiedow, who saw she jeopardy which suriounded the Yeomanry. and who directed the proceedings of the Cheshire Yemsituiry to rescue the Manchester Yeomanry. (Hest!) The locum...nits were not won't as the justification of the Alagtstrates, but as eluci dating their proceedings; and he contended that they warranted the steps which had been adopted by the magistrates. (Hear.) lord fE tl PLE said. that a case was made out which called for strong measures ; that without such measures there was no chance of security; mad that he therefore should cordially support the Address. . . . . . ..---- Mr. BENNETT declared, that he had entitle all possible enquiry into the proceeding, of the f.tal Sixteenth; that he had read the evidence adduced set the inquest ; and tat lie thought nothing could be more injurious to the ctraracter of that House, than to charge the thousands assembled at Manchester with having no other object titan this. of plunder. Those persons were not die first to attack ; they wen; attacked. The Ministers' statements were contradicted on oath; that alone was ground for enquiry. But there were other stronger grounds—eight or nine persons had lose their lives, and between three and four hundred had bean wounded and maimed. Their names and cases were all known, end the list would be in London in a day or two. Not only were these circumstances enough to arouse the country, but there aiso were the libels that had since issued from the Go vernment pew. (Hear, hear.) They had disgusted even the friendsof hlanisters. But the evidence of the witnesses on the part of the Crown adduced at the Inqueat, would alone justify hint, for calling for enquiry. Much misctsi-f had readted from the want of continent' which charactaised the Yeomanry. As to the publications which had issued from the cheap press, and which doubtless hail done much mischief, he had not learned that irreligious doctrines were inculcated in the manufacturing d!striets. lie had rainy of the Printers of the Union Schools, the Schools fur the poor, and paid by the porn; and they taught duties to God and man; they generally cotunieneul with a hymn. and they inculcated religion and worship. And as to the Ad dress. he did not know how lie could support what he hated so conlially. (Hear.) If such Address were carried, on his conscience he believed it would be nines injurious to the repose of the country than any thing that had occurred. (Hisr, hear ) .Ir. B, IVII.BRAHA%I explained. 11. c Hon. Member had an advantage over hint, in having resided at Manchoeter tor days and weeks. Mr. BENNETT.—" I was not in Manchester 14 hours." (Hear, hear.) Mr. L. /111 Y nr; Es. justified the dispersien of the 'Manchester meeting, and contended, that the Magistrates would' have incur. red a fearful responsibility hail they we dispersed. Meeting so improperly so alarmingly collected. Sir W. DE CItIS l' iGNY maintained that the wanton bar barity of the attack of an armed force on an unarmed multitude called imperiously for enquiry. Had not many important facts come to his own personal knowledge, such fact alone would oat • rant hint in claiming. on ate part of the country. die amplest enguity, Lord Nugent. Sir Francisitunlett. Mr, Brougham. Ac. Ate. supported the einendnient. Mr. Wynn. Sir J. Sebright, Mr Canning. Ac. the Address, and after a debate which lasted till past Five o'clock on Thur sday morning. theHousc divided, when the numbers were— For the Admendment. 150 Aguinst it Majority against it 231 The Address in its original form was they carried, and the House suboumed. Titunsamr, NOVEMBER 25. . . At four o'clock the SrEmits counted the /louse. end there being only thirty-eight Member', Kt:bent. the 111141 be adjourned. FIIIDAY. NOV. A new writ was ordered for Cambridge, is. the room of Gene ral Finch, who has taken the Chiltern Hundreds. Mr, BEN NET said, that he wished to correct an emir in his. .speech on Wednesday night, as inserted in the AftorNimg'Clinape.; ids. It was there stated, as if' Captain Birley had neglected his duty in not advancing with the yeomanry cavalry, in ender to' check their attacks upon the populace. He had made no such representation ; and he was the more anxious vo .set himself right, because he could conceive nothing more ,painfulio an in- dividual than to have itaupposcd that.ha had neglected his duty on such an occasion. AU he had heard. of .Captain liirley eon • vinccd I that he was alum of humanity, and while he did his duty, would take care to do no more. The .moment he saw the mistake, lie wrote to a friend at Winchester, mentioning that he had made no such charge. He had often had occasion to say things paiaful to private feelings: and as at this occasion it was totally decitutt of foundation, lie thought it right to declate it conimiTTEE ON THE T 1 IA AT TAAAICIILt.? CA! lord ALI'HOHP said, the Noble Lord oppts.ite• nail given notice of his intention to oil! the attentinu of the House to the papers before it on rbs state of the country, he withal 1 • know whether it was IsisMonlsliip's porpo.e to court that should be referred to a committee. with power to send hc persons, papers, and records, and generally to investigate the subject. Lord CASTI.EREAGII answered, that he had stated on former night, or meant to haye stated, that it was not the intui tion of Govermitent to refer thou: p avers to any Committee; the measures intended to be suLitottetl would rest on 'lie notoriety of the circumetancesoonnected with toe ernalstateofthecount rj r nt and on the information contained in the papers upon the table.— His Lordship added, that in consegut.t.ne f the House having yesterday deliberated upon the report of the address, and as some debate would probably take place upon it, he thotn,ht is more expedient to postpone until Monday, opening to the House the view he should take of the papers, and the U it itctila, he should propose. Lord Al."1'110HP then gave r,otice. that 'on Tuesday would submit a motion, with the precise words of whit ti lie was not prepared. which would have for its ()Luca the referring of the papers upon the table to a select Committee.— (Cheers.) OTIAMTOVND.. Lott] JOITN RUSSElZobaerbeti.that it wai his intention on a future day (rtuaday, 14th December) to propous certain resolution* relating to the case of the Borough of Grainyoulid, going rather feather than thou: be had brought forward w tiro last Session. IMPORT ON TRY ATMSEES. Mr. S. COCKS brought up t h e report on the Address to 1 1, e Prince Regent, which was read, and on she question that it t-. 3 agreed to, Sir Hobert Wilton and Mr. G. Lamb each spoke at contider• able length in favour of fun inquiry. They wide sipiusael by Mr. Bootle Wilbraham, after whom Mr. DENMAN ruse and said, as •a thallenge had been thrown out to sill those gentlemen also woe commend with the legal profession, eating on them to state their sentini-nts ea the Subject of the meeting sit Manchester, he felt it a chivy which he owed to liiinself—a duty which lie could not pass over, to declare to the House the opinion he had formed with respect to the lege lity of that meeting. He trusted he should stand excused for no accepting the cludleage at the time it was throes out, for, if he had proceeded to address the House at two o'clock in the morn ing, it was easy to anticipate the way in which such an entertain- Silent would have been received, after a debate of 20 boars. Hs conceived that the meeting was perfectly • legal, and that it was improperly dipersed. It was a tuu.tt momentous subject, a subject that never would be oehausted, mud the louse granted a full inquiry. As notice was given of a motion on this great question on Tuesday nest, he would reserve his observations fee that day. But this address he never would agree to, until some substantial reason was assigned for omitting all mention of t h e transastiensat Manchester; for leaving enurelpout of sight the greatest evil that ever happened to the people of England —an evil the more to La deplored, since the act was defended as one that was justified by thelaw 451 England, contrary as it was 40 the laws of justice and of humanity. In an addrrw, which overlooked this important subject, which did not touch on the circumstance that rendered it necessary, if such a circumstance could be adduced s terah*AW the blew:infant Majesty's subjects, he never would concur. Ministers might have motives which led them not to state, in the speech from the throne, those sentiments of regret fur the transactions at Manchester which they now declared they felt. But whatever motive might actuate them, there certainly was none that ought to prevent me House of Commons from exareasing its feelings on this masion. (Hear.) Those who opposed inquiry ought to know and • feel, that the present was the best of all times for that House to declare he sympathy for the sufferings of the people, when an address was about to be carried to the Emu of the throne. To these constitutional declarations sucostx/ed a long debate s but the Report was ultimately a greed to without a division, and the House asljournial at 9 o'clix:k. NOV. 11% This day. at half past one o'clock. the Hoax proceeded to Carlton llouse, to present the .IdileNts in answer w the kiing'e speech, and on its teturn was immediately adjourned till Monday. FROM TUESDAY NlGlirs GAZETTE. MEMBER returned to servein this present PARLIAMENT. COUNTY Or KENT.-Sir Edward Knaulbull, Bart. in room of Sir Edward Knatchboll, Riot. deceased. -RtNICRUPI'CIES SUPEIISEDED. H. Summers, St. Swithim's Lane, merchant. R.tesstain, Penzance, merchant. BANKRUPTS. W. Nedby, 'Lamb's Conduit Street, upholsterer. Solicitor, Mr. Pritchard, EsseirStreet..Strand. W. Suffield, Binningnum, printer. Sol. Mr. Alexander, Carey Street, Lincoln's Inn. R. Merry, Birmingham, grocer. Sole. Messrs. Swain, Ste ven., Mlaples, l'earse, and Hunt. Old Jewry. F. Reed, Bristol, butcher. &dn. Messrs. Stocker, Dawson, and Ilcrringhani, New Boswell l'ourt. J. Nona. Manchester, bookseller. "Sol. Mr. Nlakinson, Middle Temple. W. l'abrant. Fendrayton, Cattibridgesitire, butcher. Sole. Messrs. Smith. Hatton Garden. J. Hartley, Manchester, warehouseman. Sol. Mr. Makinson, Temple. S. Perkins. rtlitleonl, Somersetahire, Sohi. Messrs. Adlington and Gregory, Bedford Row. S. I)avenport and 11. Faqir, MancheAer, engravers to calico printers. Solo. Messrs. Addington and t:regory. Bedford How. T. Thompson. Lanca.ter, ironmonger. Sol. Mr. Blacklnek, Serjcant's Inn, Fleet Sued. W. PCS!,141111, junior. l'l stomp., tailor. Sub. Messrs. Anci.c and Wrigiit..lnner Temple. W. Cronin, Snow's Fielra, 'Bermondsey, provision dealer. Sol. Mr. Bathe, Houndstliteh. T/IVIDENDS. Nov. f 7. G. Watkinv.and W. Cowper,'l.irieoln's Inn, money .eriyenees—y7, J. W. Nliil4llewooil, NViitteeliapel Iligh Stray.. perfurner—t;. A. Gunmen - 7.. Great Winelie.tcr street, wirehair W. Rry In, White Lion , Coutt, Bilden lame. merchant—. Dec. 14, 1). Price, Watford, liens. linen draprr-4 5, T. Stun, Allen Street. Carrell Street. carpet manufacturer--1 t. J. CUD/. berlege, Goorge Yanl, Lornhart! Street. merchant-14, 11. .105e'. ly. Lawrencetountney Hill, runt I. %Vhieltlon,•Coptliall COUrt. 'Ehri4,miorson Street, merchants—Hee, 18,S. Bromley, Shorter's Court, Throgniorton Street, bill hroker—lB, W. brown, St. John Street. cheisormonget—l 8, J. Graff and I'. D..Fuley, Tower Royal, merchant-6. I-Its IVl,torapv.—A gentleman who has been in his presence a short time ago, states, that the ap pearance of , oirr aged Monarch is the most venerable imaginable. dlis hair and beard are white as the drilled snow, and the latter flows gracefully over a breast ..which now reds nut the pleasures or th• pains of hie. When the gentleman saw him, be was &eased in a loose satin robe, lined with frg, itti qg :in an apparently pensive mood, .with his olhows•on a table and his head resting on his hands, seaming yerfcetly rer. tordlesa of all external object,