The Statesman. — London, England, 1814-11-19 00:00:00

that troops its t' Netherlands was not tube paid by Ma country. Great as our interest was to aopport the independence of liolland; it was not for the in terest of Holland itself that we should give her at first too much assistance. That nation should be aught to do something to defend itself—Dear, A e a l l—and not be taught to rest the burtheo of their military establishment nn our shnolders. The CIIANCELLOR of taw EXCHEQUER observed, in repty, 'That - the additional'Articte to the Swedish Treaty might certainly have seen before the House long ego, and he coukk. only ascribe its non-ippearattce to some oversight,,, The substance of it, lioslever, as well as the aekatance of the Supplementary Treaty of Chaumont, was stated to the Jlouse iii,the last Session. As to Sicily. our Treaty with that Government went oW totally different Principles from arose' vrhictisillisenced nor , et - igsgetnetsta with .the ContinentarPoliers. The King of Stilly bad lost Naples through hii adher ence to oar alliance s and we had hence been led, hot' only to maintain a largeforce in that island, but also to subsidise the Government. The Treaty of nog eitlytliat Poker was made to continue during the war is 'kirk it was engaged with Naples; and. as that stir still aubsistar, the Sicilian Government still considered Itself entitled to •some subsidiary*, misleads lilt sus arrangement' wait made. Naples. had s?goed no 'tsiore than an Acialitice with thin country. •, Mr. PONCONRY said, he was not in the limn* at the time when the sabstatleegf the Supplementary' Treaty had been comnlealate") the last Session; bet the ChancellOr of the Exchequer had - nn reason to be surprised at his want or -Information, when he himself, as he had confessed, iiiiifootikoown that a Treaty of the utmost important* to the country 'bad sot been Laid before the Ihuse: Mr. WIIITBItEAD said; that although the House' was not acquainted with' one Item for Which they were to vote the eight Millions, yet it was at least much more decorous to have agreed to it after some Plate, than that the matter should have been passed et r•n the hurried . manner which the Chancellor of elle Exchequer seemed to have wished for. Several very relevant subjects had that night been touched ea ; and he had heard nothing with more pleasure than the remarks on the auditing of public accounts, by his lion. Friend (Mr. Baring). They could not, indeed, when such semi were voted, be too much *Hie to the manner in which the public accounts were ;gaited. On the subject touched on by his Honour . e Friend behind him (Mr. Gordon), he wondefed tdlit.Vhaircellbr ot the Eseheq.:er had not been more lirir,'tad indeed had seemed so ill informed: he rot* therl vai elaent between this country and the ngot ite Was the Chancellor of the Ex . torquer notraart, that they were under an agree ' limit with the Kb; of Naples, while we were pay ing the king of Sicily, who was at war with.him ? The Chancellor of the Exchequer had stated, that :the 'sing of. Naples had concluded a peace with Au‘tria."—Was he aware, that the Treaty between the Em, eroi or Austria and the King of Naples, was not of peter only, but of alliance?—and that e war a written pledge given by our Minister to the King of Naples itt in which be was secured in his kg/110°Pil °".O • 4blll-l( .King of Sicily would tint accept an Indemnity for Ms Neapolitan do minions, that weshoutd consider our treaty with him st au end. Yet we, which was a most extraordinary _ _ . . fact, w ere paying a subsidy to the King of Sicily, who ' was at war with this King of Naples, with whom i we were at peace, and to whom we were bound by an honourable engagement. Our engagement with , the King of Naples nas.w well known on the Conti nent, though it had not been communicated to the Muse of Commons ; and it was also known that oar engagement with the King of Naples was deemed of the utmost importance to Europe. The Chancellor of the Exelseqiien bad brought to the recollection of the Committee events long passed for the purpose of vemioding them of 'the pledges which had been given to protect the Royal Family of Sicily. He should not attempt to go into the subject of our influence and interference in the internal affairs of Sicily, nor attempt to enquire bow we had i fulfilled our pledge of protection to the Royal Family, and especially to the late Queen of Sicily (he called her the Queen of Sicily, since that was the appellation which the Chancellor of the Exchequer gave to the Royal Fa mily of the Two Sicilies), who had been expelled from her dominions, and who had died in exile. If the Chancellor of the Exchequer had not been in formed of our agreement with Naples, he was sorry the High! Honourable Gentleman's .information was W limited. He thought that without further expla nation the House should hesitate in granting the subsidy. There were other circua►stances with re spect to the military expenditure which required ex planation. As to the army in Belgium, when we were voting co largo a sum, it would have been proper if theyjmd been told what the whole probable expence would he. He hail heard that a survey had been made of the frontier fortresses in that* country, witha view to their restoration, and an estimateof the expence of such repairs as were necessary. The estimate he had heard stated never at lesq, but by some at more than ten millions. He wished to know from the Chancellor of the Exchequer, whether such an estimate had been formed, whether it had been handed to this country, and whether it was intended that the whole of that expence, or a share of it, should be borne by this country ? The Chancellor of the Exchequer had treated it as light and immaterial, whether the person who was to sit on the Thrfine of Hanover, should be called King or Elector ; and though be had forsworn wit there was one joke that evening, with which he bad been as busy as a hen with one chicken [a laugh] —that there could be no Electors whore there was no person to be elected. Yet in this country we had persons elected without Electors. [A laugh.] These ci-decant Electors of Germany, who had been created Kings or Archdukes by Bonaparte, were like the foxes who had lost their tails, and who, to render their disgrace less conspicuous, wished their fellow brutes to submit to the same curtailment, [4 laugh.] These persons bearing titles which had been forced on them, and feeling uneasy under them, yet ashamed to drop them, begged the Prince Regent to lay the same title on his father, and make him a German King too [hear !]. But a circumstance which was of serious consequence to this country, was the ag grandizement of Hanover. The more the territory of Hanover was ealarged i the greater was the danger . a ._....,., STATESMAN. ). • . , of that country b e i ng draWn into wars, and our be. ing drawn after them. He 'was •happy to hear, that the expence of the foreign troops' was , to be re-paid byboree'one, but since the Chancellor of the Exche quer would not tell by wheat, he might perhaps shy, whether it was a certainty or chance of re-payment 'that are bud. U Uwe, a chance only we•had of She repayment, he should think that the money was ab. iolutaly i tast away, and that Omuta have not even ° the tAlesbiilbg thrown back: - . Another cireurnstance stated - by the Chancellor of the Exechecitter veal of impottance, it sees his opinion of the neceetity of fit ters exertions. The Right lion. Gent amen seemed 'to be aware thotsthe war with Ameriggalatili magui tilde and proimble duration assunteMkore threaten.: fug appearance. But while welliklitinued that rear j it was necessary to support it with efforts wor thy ourselves. Hut the Chancellor of the Exche quer had not dealt fairly with the House in not inform. 4111 them what was a fact, that for forty-eight hoara. and more they had been in possession of most lin- I , portant communication which they had not corn. monicated to Parliament. He meant the dia. patches from Sir George Prevost relative to the dis patches from Plattsburgh. He understood that the retreat of %r G. Prevost had been attended with dis , estrous coissequenees in more than one point of view, though he had sustained no loss from the enemy either in prisoners or killed and wounded. He was justified in asking why this information had not been laid before the /hose or the public? It was said That Sir G. Prevost had advanced into the American ter, ritories with 12,000 men, and advanced to Rails burgh in six days—that he had retreated in two days over the ground which he had been advancing throegh In six—and that in the course of his retreat this disastrous circumstance occurred—that he had lost 2000 men by desertion in those forty-eight hours, and these men not the militia of the country or raw troops, but those heroes who from their prowess, and the name of the great Commander un der whom they had served, were called Wellingto niails. It was also said that the public mind in Ca nada was mach inflamed,. and that the persuasion was that affairs would not assume a happier aspect until Sir G. Prevost was recalled. Thus had we the prospect that the war with America would be an adequate sequel in expellee to that which we had ter minated, and before the House voted so large a sum as was proposed for the arreart of the past war, it would be incumbent on the Chancellor of the Exche. quer to give them some information as to the circum stances of the contest in which they were actually engaged. Since, by a memorable change, all the Powers in Europe who had been leagued against us had become neutrals, and the only Power , who had been neutral, had become hostile to as, we should show to America that we would behave to the Powers now neutral as we had formerly towards her.. We should show her that our idea of right was not con formed to circumstances. On such a solemn occasion he should have been happy that the Chancellor of the Exchequer hod not stepped out of his usual coarse to utter ,a joke, and he hoped he now would inform the House whether the dispatches he had al luded to had arrived ?' The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said, that to the slisserratiovref - rhernbs. - Genf. (Sir. Whitbread), it was not to be expected that he Should make any reply. What the Hon. Cent. had a right 'to demand was to the intelligence from America. It was true that dispatches had arrived, and as muck as could consistently with justice to Officers and the public service be promulgated, would be published to-morrow. Mr. PONSONBY said the Chancellor of the ER. chequer could have no objection to calm the anziety , of the House with respect to the disaster which had been reported. He also understood that Gen. Drum. mood had raised the siege of Fort Erie. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER, said, that he had . to knowledge of the desertions mentioned having taken place. They were not men. tioned in the dispatches from -Sir George Prevost, who, if they had occurred, would have noticed them. —[Hear, hear!] —General Drummond had retreated from Fort Erie, but without disaster or disgrace. Mr. W. POLE stated, that all that would be pub lished to-morrow was the list of killed and wounded in the affair at Plattsburgh, since the naval account of the action had not arrived, and it was not thought proper to publish the military dispatches without those front the naval officer. The whole details respecting the retreat from Fort Erie would be published. The Resolution was agreed to. The House re sumed, and the Report was ordered to be received to. morrow.—Adjourned,, . , • PARIS, Nov. 14.—Madame Cstalani is expected to arrive here to.morrow.—She proposes, it Is said, to fix her residencelin France. it is at least certain, that we shall have the pleasure of hearing her several times this "winter. The Princess of Wales. quitted Florepce tfte 17th of October, after having remained there five dap. Her Rays. Highness took the road for Rome. It was on the 24th of Octnher that the Diet of Norway proclaimed Chink. :KUL King of Nor. way. • • The mince de !Ave, the King's Ambassador to his Cat olic Majesty, passel! .thraugli Bayonne On ttap,th it. en his way to Madrid. . The Aanoterian army will henceforth be contiOsitt of 40,000 men, without reckoning the regiments of the guard. It appears certain that the Emperor Alexander will visit Munich and Stutgard before he goes to Berlin. The Vienna Official Gazette announces, that the Archduke Grand Duke of Tuscany intends to adopt the liberal principle., of his father Leopold, in his government. The Prince will visit every city of the Grand Duchy in turn. M. Schlegel, confidential Secretary of the Prince Royal of Sweden, has been for some days past in Paris. Bast; Nov. 4—Letters from Berne inform us, I that (rah troubles have broken out in Oberland, end that troops have been sent thither. The disturbances i in the Canton of St. Gall are far from being ap peased. VITTORIA, Nov. 1 1 11011. 6.—With astonishment we learn that our Charge d'Affaires at Paris, the Marquis de Casas-Flores, is arrived at Yrun. He was proCeed ing with all haste to Madrid : but at Yrun he found orders to remain there till he should receive farther instructions. ... The Officers implicated in Evpoz y Mina's attempt on Pampeluna have just been sentenced to the genies. Letters from Cadiz announce, that not the slightest symptom of sickness exists is that city. AUGSBURG, Nov. B.—We are assured that the Court of Vienna is doing all iii its power to obtain from Prussia the county of Glata, which she wishes to unite to Bohemia. Prussia, however, does not i seem much disposed to comply. Ci-decant King Joseph, we are told, will leave the country of Vaud to settle in the neighbourhood ef Rome. Madame Letitia, his* mother, will Li her residence at Porto Ferrejo. • I QUEBEC PAPERS. • I .. :*" pljk °Ottawas. tho books Of the Rithse . and the Meuse, Our lost . :on the: Oils Ina, exceeds 600. 1t was e. Li 4•141. OVUM of Weetplalia, and to the North of masterly surprise en the 2d brigade. •Col.. Fischer, ny., 4 - L vtot 1 i . who commanded as a Brigadier rirthe...day, efts ' la /spirally believed, that 01 Ring of Saxony wounded. Colonels potion and Pitman were also , 'will kretelrei Cs residence, the torsi 'end 'Palace or severely. wounded.. ..,..; . , t h e sh i h ep o rnbe anstee . , . •ii: • , 1 1 The Royals adv a nced t o the fort at day-light, un. der Colonels Miens (Quarter . M as t er , G enera l), It is believill that the Sovereigns will romaliftete -untitthe Seth of November. The Kinser Bavaria Tucker, and Gordon, to cover the retreat of the and Wirtemberg *ilt deport first, and they frill, storming petty.. , . . .4. : ;,. ....,:.; ..„; ......„ follower Immediately -by tile other Princes of Ger r j Since • the sth J i u r y M. pop irmy -has *cireled ca teeny. • • h is positively stated, that turd Castlereagh has , amounting to_ more ,bay .3 00 9 We. •1 4- ttece-Jme4l frequent conferences with the Emperor Alexander. nearly been replaced by reintercements from below. We are still composed a akeeeiou corps, and hay. ` DittiSDEN, Noy. S.. • , ~_....5. lug lost our,battexing suns, whicktheeitemy .seized NOTIrIdATIOit or'nis EXCELLANCY PRINcli most dexterously and bo l dly and being ruined in our RLIANIM•TO-'lllll SAXON 'AUTNIORITIES.., • .., . " An offichil letter from the Minister of State the &Plum", we "VAT .7-' d. Otillte Pf Erie. Baron de Stein, dated the 21st of. October, infprms • • --w PTiwt --- 15" —.10 ! '-• - ille of a Convention ConclUded the 28th of Septum, • 4M,6 ICON 4'411,5R5,.. : . i ,r , ,-,- , her, at Vienna, by virtue of which, the Emperor of rr THE govimair tor TIIE ~ : - Toluna— - itAra .. ifi . II " Russia, In concert with Austria and England, place!' 1 - '' Yfiltalcht4ir.: .. _._..4 . . -v; r inottse hands Of the King of Prussia the Administra.• ' ' • A PROCLAM %TWA. Win of ,the kingdom of Saxony : 1 have ,orderk 'as Whereas It appears thit the are, in elirch.our therefore, to deliver the governrnent,of this country dhuntry is viifortunately engaireChas *assitoiod girl' 'to the persons appointed for that purpose by the entirely different character, sinceits fiist• co . rOtaietteete* •irihig of Prattle, and to cause the fmperial Russian met, and has become almost exclusively defensive; troops (a be relieved by the Prussian troops, in order and is prosecuted by the enemy *itii a spirit, .orreare to operate, by that means, the union of Saxony with 'Misled during the pending negociarioe fur peace. ; trossia, which will soon take place in a more formal which leases no 'p r ospe c t f or sar..ty'b u t j o a ma ws, 04xtriemn manner, and in order to promote rm. cud united determination to meet invasion at every. ternity between the two people... point, • a nd to expel the invader : ...., 66 this unioq is already in.iteelf the guarantee of _s. A n d whereas, notwithstanding s he b i l i e hiii l lt great and indisputable advantages to the two king-, glorious 'naval titter, letely eehieved by our gallittV doors, and to the whole- of• Germany ; hut the be- Commodore M'Donougb, and .his Vise otlir-pra fork nevolence and care of the Emperor of Russia, and seamen, over a superior British naval ferevom 1.44.. Ilse mildness and known goodness of the King of Champlain • and a like discomfitire of 'ti e erie,.. ) 'e Prussia, will augment still mere the happy results. I whole land ; force, concentrated at Plattahttrg, by r 66 After the preliminary deliberations, Ithich bad General Maetimb's small, but valiant hand 'of re.pdar for their 'object the welfare of . the !hote l -and the troops, sided and powerfully supported by our pa.' parts which comprise it, their Majesties, namely, the triode, virtuous, and brave Volunteers, who flew King Frederick William, as the future Sovereign of , t o mee t th e i uva d er w i t h an a l ertness and .pis it, tin, the country, declares it to be his intention not to in.' exampled in this or any other country, it is made,. cogitate, as a province, Saintly with his States; but known to me, that the British army is still on the_ to mike it to Prussia, under the. title of the Kingdom frontier of oar sister State, collectirt.; and colleen.' of Saxony ; to preserve alweltitsintneritfrelelartrati n g a powerful force, indicating future operations it to the , enjoyment of the rights, privileges, and ad- i of aggression : vantages, which the Constitution of Germany will 1 " And whereas the conflict has become. ewes.. secure to those Countries of Germany which form • mon, and not a party concern, the lime has - 'key_ i part of- the Prussian Monarchy; and to change nee arrived when all degrading party distinctions and,. thing In It. present Constitution: and the Emperor-, animosities, however we may have. differed respect. Alexander has t estified his penciller satisfaction 4_04 the policy of deciarieg ear,. Or the node act"act" pre.. • this declaration. seeming the war, ought to he laid aside; that every l '' heart may be stimulated, and every. arm nested, for • the protection of our oommon country,. our liberty, , our altars, and our fire-sides ; in the defence of 'which we may, with a humble con fi dence, look to .IHeaven for assistance and protection -I " Now, therefore, 1, Martin Chlttenden, Go. vernor and Commander in Chief in and over the • ' State of Vermont, do issue this Prorinmetion, mai . neatly exhorting all the goiid people• of this !irate, by that love of country which .so signally distin. gaished our fathers, .in their glorious and successful struggle for our independence, to unite both heart sod band in defence of our common interest, anti - every thing dear to freemen : 66 I do enjoin it upon all Officers of DivisiOn, Brigades, Regiments, and Companies of the Militia of this State,• to exert themselves in the execution of their respective duties, in placing those under tit •ir ' command in a complete state of readiness, and, witA.: , • out further order, to mends* a momesiCs, wa mil.* so :, meter any invasion which' may be attempted and t chastise and expel the invader. - .6 4 Aud I would earnestly recommend It tn • theme s ., who, by the lenity of our laws, are exempt from cu r . , diner, military daty, where they have not already done it, to organize themselves into comPeiriesi and equip and stand in readiness to meet the approaeho, leg crisis, reminding them that it is their property„,l . themselves, and their families that are, in commie! i ' with others, to be protected. r " And more especially, I would recommendit. to the Select Men and Civil Authorities of the respective . towns to be vigilairt- in the execution of the duties enjoined on them in providing ammunition and in affording such assistance to the Militia as their shim- • tions may require. ' . . .. • " After witnessing the severe and degrading fern!' imposed on many of our unfortunate •fellewleitiZent. on the sea board, no man, with ii mindful of What 'he owes to his country and to hit owncharacter, elll ., advocate submission, while resistance is practicable: . 66 The fate of Alexandria forcibly appealit to the . proud feelings of every American to exert theists... mented farce and resources with which it has pleased • a beneficent Providence to bless us, for the d..fence. and security of that soil and those riglits, rendered inestimable by having been purchased by the blood of our fathers. , 46 Given ender my hand at Jeriesh'the tlith day if September,, in the year of:our [40 , 1814, ond of the , Independence of the-United States the thitty.elosh. . . (Signed) . " MARTIN CHRIVENDIA. • 66 By . bit &cello/writ com Mind, • • . : 4 SAMUEL sw 1 FT, Secretary.'! - • • : •0 l By Papers presented to the 'loom. of Commons, 'agreeable to Motions for the same, it appears that • NIAGARA FRONTIER, OCT. I.—The continued bad there,was wanted to pay of the balance of Bil's of weather and want of camp equipage for our troops, Credit, &c. issued by virtue of 54 GEORGE 111., as . has occasioned a great degree of sickness among our pecuniary succours to the Emperor of 'Rossi t and officers and men. We are now under cover in barns, King of PRUsStA., thesum of one and,a half million, but very much scattered and dispersed. The Ame. and 150,0001. interest thereon : • that the amount of ricans will occupy Fort Erie as winter quarters.— Exchequer Bills far the year 1814, .outstanding aid Niagara Fort has partly fallen from the incessant unprovided for, is 12+ millions,' and of all Esche and tremendous rains, so that if the enemy's fleet quer Bills charged upon the aids of this year, now should be able to co-operate with their land force oa undischarged, 21 , 3 42,4001. • • the right•bank of the river, there would be some ' That the amount of imams' in the Exchequer, not remaining trbe received on acenunt of _War Tou r s, 8 .6 ,11 14 /I•Ar i i , in f, 4r jo ina il danger id that fort being carried, although it would not be taken without a great sacrifice of lives. It is ' Ditto on account of Linn . - 8,3 S,AI JO ill remarkable that our batteries were boldly seized on • the 17th ult. by the militia, the regular troops being. - Total • - AC...6,542.474 811 And that the total amount of Bites titRIVII 1.11 the rtrasur l fur in the rear, were but very partially . engaged. The the Extraordinary gypeocrs .4 the Army, between 24th l)ee. - IS. and 1., Nor. iBl4, is 418.f/ilea • enemy was expelled from our. batteries ip . si ialtaist Or which was granted last Session - - 9.030.403 manner by the Ist, 6th, and 824 regiments Int ilk A .ttli. in time to prevent the complete ruin of our ', 1 . ,- ;• • • -ilitsviera &lime 0 .23.9it,061 ca • NIAGARA FROXTIiR, SET,T.I7.—Our trUlygallant -FOOTPADS.—On Sellie4Al-40140.41..44 4 11"4,000.1.1 and amiable Commander, Gevt.'Drnmmontl, has been about half-past 10 o'clock, et.Ml,„Parkidge, 0f.2aria....... onsoccessful from the want of 'ardlicient means to. ham-terrace, Islimirton, -was , reterts . ,acrolis thi,;,..,. conduct a siege. ale suffers, veq muck from his . Shepherd and Shepherded:l7lo4 was sioppe — if by wounds in the neck, but is.ln*fatigable An, his per. th reepatpads, armed with pistols, who robbnrl .• mull exertions. MajoMGia6als Steiven,sys,d De of his wetch,and pals half Watteville, have joined the army oat thi fsontlers. sowiti idtvei.. '. Alter they ro: I Very for - 16th alt.— on the back, of his head with . a =x ew prisouers were taken on 111 • t • _ .f . a guinea in told, and Abed him they beat him Ith their pisttob. • FRENGII PAPERS. VIENNA, Nov. 3.—Count Alexis de Noailles, Aid- de-Camp to the Count d'Artois, and the Count de Co4tine, Major in the service of France, arrived here yesterday from Paris. A Military Commission has been appointed to form the plan of a national armament, as well as the means of defence proper to guarantee the Germanic Con federation against every kind of attack. The Prince of Wirtemberg is appointed the Chief of this Commis sion, and he has for assessors, Generals Radetski, Langeron ' Knesebeck, the Prince de Wrede, and Count deWelmodea. • It is now known why the Ministers of Hanover were so eager to give to their Elector-the title of King, it having been arranged that the Committee appointed for the affairs of Germany should only be composed of the Ministers of Austria, and of the German Kings. It is said, that the Genoese Deputies have never been able to obtain an audience of the Monarchs, all the avenues to them having been completely closed against the Deputies. They were at length ad mitted to an audience of the Prince de Metternich, who received them well, but declared to them sit the same time, that their territory would be united to Piedmont, and that this decision would not be re called. All the persons in the Austrian employ from the Po lish districts which are restored to us, disk's to say, Cracow, Lublin, & c. are preparing to return. The part of Saxony united to Prussia, contains mote than two millions of inhabitants ; the district of Great Polaild. which is ceded to him, and which extends to the banks of the Bartha, includts more than 400 1 000 1 and it is not yet known what Prussia •..