The National Register. — London, England, 1820-11-12 00:00:00

imperial Parham( at ft/anneal from gage 333. guilty of indecorum with Lord Liverpool !—(Loud laughter) —and that she bad played ut blindmen's hail a itli the c ban. cellor of the Exchequer !—(Cant inued lam:diter.)—Sl/ (Lind K mg) could out refer to .it exact period ut which tt:ese extiaordinars and intivt ent loveeedinga took place. Lord LIVERPOOL. —'s They never took place." — (Hear.) Lout KING.—" i cannot, I assure your Lordships, re fer to the exact time. but it fling has e been, I think, when the Noble Lord was looking fur place, haute the Regency!" (Laughter.) Lord LIVERPOOL.—" Never, upon my honotie l" (Hear, hear, and loud calls of Question.) Lord GREY said, that his inclination was to vote for the Clause ; but he should do so upon but one principle. which was, that the passing of the Clause would lead to the fund rejection of the odious measure altogether.— (Hear, hear.) Lord DONOUGHMORE was deter/14'1(A to advocate the Clanse, or what could be done with the Bill Loud ELLENBOROUGH begged the Home would consider what they were doing when they vi tre deliber ating upon the question of glen's up the Divorce Clause. If they passed the Bill without that Clause, they would 1w tieclai nig that the Qiiren was too bad for the State, but good enough for the King! (I liar, hear.) If they intuit. tad the Clause and passed the Bill, their Lordships wiiiild be publishing a seditious libel against his Majesty! (A laugh, and cries of /fear! Lord SOMERS said, lie coeld not reconcile it to his conscience that the Queen shonlit be der' ived of all her rights, and still remain tied and fastened, like a mil st mind the neck of the Sovereign. (A laugh, and cries of Hear, hear, hear.) Lord LIMERICK said, if their Lordships did not pass it with all its enactments, the King, and what was of more consequence, the Nation, would be degraded by having at its head a woman who was ouworthy to remain at the head of female tartlets! Lord ESSEX said, he had very cerefully listened to all the argument,' in favour of the litll, and to all the evidence prodnced at their Lordships' liar, nod the conclusion to which lie had conic Was, that her Majesty bad been the victim of a base conspiracy, which had long existed against her, and been the result of most malignant pre meditation.—( Hear, hear, hear.)--He had (the Noble Lord saki) paid his respects to her Majesty, and seen the individual in her service of whom so meet" had been said in and out of that House, and lie must declare, that that individual was infinitely superior to those who generally attended in bubo' dinate situations, and that his conduct to his royal mistress had been extren.ely respectful. lie begged their Lordships would mark, that this visit had taken place in the year 1819—a period at which it could have been no difficult mat ter,if any improper acquaintance had existed, to observe it in the conduct of both parties. — (Hear, hear.) Lord ANSON agreed with bis noble friend who had just eat down, on the subject of the divorce chance, and therefore he would vote that it should nut be separated from the Bill. The Earl of CARNARYON said, the separation and divorce must co together; for if they degraded the Queen, without divorcing her, they were declaring that, although she was the most saw th:ess of her sex, there was one indi vidual In the country who must still 1'0111:1in her mate ! He, [Grime, would mist: his voice to save the Cruwu from such degradation. Lord HOLLAND apprehended that, If the divorce clause w a s nut 'nosed, but the degiadation only, the Queen, though nu loop,' the Queen, would still cuutinne the wife of the King, ;aid that to violate her would still be High 'treason. lie would vote that the divorce clause should relnaill part of the Bill, although lie still felt great objection to every other part of the Bill, and say Nut Content to the thud reading, whether the clauses were retained or not. The Marquis of BUCKINGHAM said, that passing the Buil of Degtadatiou without the divorce clause, was a monstrous anomaly, and therefore he would vote that the clause be retained. The Earl of GLASGOW could make no compromise of adultery, and therefore he would vote fur the divorce clause continuing part of the Bill. Lord ISLINVERS said—" This Bill has my most entire and unqsalitied approbation with its present provisions; and I must declare so tar from crimidering her Majesty as the victim of a conspiracy, I feel convinced that her cum elect has beeu deg' ading and acandolous, adulterous and infamous. Lord FALMOUTH would yield to no one in his attach • swot to his Suveteigo ill his public and political capacit) ; but he would neither be doing his duty to his Sovereign, nor to himself, if he did not also admit that the King had wit ate rights amid duties to perform as well as the meati est of his subjects I Lord DARNLEY hoped that the limited phalanx who wet e opposed to the Bill in tutu,si.ppuited as it had been by 'lying parties all over the House, would it tumid' at last. Ile ties er hell greater pride in his life thou in heing one of that phalanx. He was under the painful hecersity, how ever, of differiog with his friends, so tar as to thiek that the 'titmice clause ought not to stand purt of the Bill. ',old lILLIIAN EN saill, that he agreed with the Noble Earl hear Mtn (Cory), ill thiiiking that if the Bill was to pass at all, time divorce clause must stand part of it. Time calls of " Questioa !" now became genitial, and it was put by the Chairman—" the Divorce Clause stand part of the Bill?" His Lordship declared tlidt .Non-Cutitt tits had it. A division was denianded, and strangers were tattered to withoi aw. The aminbers were ;.eon aflerwaids announced to be as follow. :—Cuittents 129—Noa-Cone...nts 62—Majority Fu the Divorce Clause h 7. While strangers were excluded, we hear that Lord KING rose, and said that he should idler no apology for submitting to their I AA . (l..hips a clause, the insertion of which hi the Lill seemed u matter of coarse, eviisi t lering that the (dueen was not remotely placed in the illitstrtiais lino of Princes in the saccessiou to the Crust of these rralw-. 'thin Crown Has limited to lace Majesty, in the event at tin min pelvous predecessing her, aeil emt by Mc mos: sacral aad funtlaineutal la ws of the taint. If it d, volved en het; the welt -I:nown loyalty of their Lord. ships Mina al 011 Ce make Omni adopt a tlitiel ego vitiw tit the present question loi,klug forward to that event, they must be equally ready to provide fur it. He therefore moved this clause—" And be it further enacted, by the authority aforesaid, that in case the crown of these Icahna shall at ally time desccuti to her said THE NATIONAL REGISTER Majesty Caroline Amelia Elizabeth, then, and ni sutra case, this present Act, and all the matters and film es roatained therein, shall 'weenie utterly void and of no effect, and the whole of the Preamble thereof shall be deemed and taken to be false, cahnimion , , and seantla bins, upon the same evidence on which it bath now Leen held to be sufficiently proved." (Lund cheering, with sonic cries of order.) Lord COLVILLE (of Culross, in Scotland, one of the Scotch Peers) ruse, with much %%anent, to vindicate him self, and those who acted with him in favour of the Bill. lie said they were aspersed—they were attacked—by this motion. He wished, HlCEtfOtt', to know whether that Noble Lord was in order. (Hear, hear.) He was pro ceeding, but was 11;111Sell interrupted by Lori, lIOLLAN who speke to order. The Noble Lord (Colville, of Ciilress) had asked whether his Noble Friend was in order, but had not shown him to lie disor derly, or pointrei cut how, a Lich every Noble Lord was bound to do who took upou hint to interrupt another. (Loud cheers.) The motion, he verily believed, might not be agreeable to the Noble Lord; but it did not, un that account, become disorderly. (Hear, beer, bear.) Lord LAUDERDALE, with great vehemence, sup • ported the objections to land King's clause. He yielded to no man in loyally, but he thonght this motion attacked every Prier who had supported the Bill ; and it was the manors ut making it, rather that; the 11101i011 itself, which all miler perceive to be disorderly. (Clatters.) Lord IxING could out allow that any thing disorderly was continued in his clause. It ascribed Ile motives to any o:te except loyalty. of which reel y one was, and justly might be, proud. It only affirmed what was the necessary consequence of loyal feelings, and assumed that their Lordships, as loyal men, the moment the Queen-Consort because, by succession, Queen-Regnant, would change their 1)(144 respecting her conduct. 'nits was a ...ices:co.!. consequetice of their regard for the first principles of the Constitution, by which every Monarch was deemed " most execiltet," %%iliac:tit any regard to his conduct or character. The clause was iiegatived without a division, and the Chairman was dirt-cue.' to report the Bill. The House resumed, cud ordered the Report to be re ceived to-morrow. THURSDAY, NOV. 9. The Lord Chancellor took his seat on the woolsack a few minutes before ten o'clock. Prayers were read, and the list was read over. Apologies were made fur the Marquis ut Ilerifoid, Lords Holland, Limerick, Huntingdon, and Motley, who were indisposed. It yes then revolved, that any Peer might sign the Pro test this slay. and that Lord Holland should be allowed to sign it when he was sufficieutly recovered to attend the Hou,e. Lord SHAFTESBURY brought up the Report of the Committee. The amendments relating to the alteration of the name of Bergami, were put and agreed to. Lord ELLEN BOROUGH understood that many Noble Lords had voted fur the second reading of the Bill, in the uuderstauding that it would undergo such modification the Cunanittee, and the only alteration that had been made, was omitting the article " the." He therefore hoped, that those Noble Lords who had voted for the se coed reading in the bapectation of the Bill being meatier:, would oppose its turther progress. The Earl of LAUDERDALE cosh! not help remon strating on the conduct of those Noble Lords who had voted against the Bill, and yet voted for the divorce clause. His Noble Friend (Earl Grey) acknowledged that he had Male so with the view of getting rid of the Bill altogether. lie was astonished that any Noble Lord could lend himself to such a trick and mane - uvre to get rid of the Bill. tic should like to know, on ;shat prin ciple of .:onsisicticy those would act who voted for the, scold reading, and yet would oppose die third reading o f the Bill? Eat I GREY.—" My Lords—lt is not oily with surprise, bat with sonic degree of indignatiou that I have heard the charge of the Noble Lord who had just set down, who, from habits of friendship, ought to have known me better than to at!CIISC me of trick and menterivre! The charge collies well from that Noble Lord certainly! But, my Lord, my condect dining the allele of this unfortunate investigatior, and my vote, have been fait and open, and free from trick or in4ileetivre ! But w hat shall we say to the tricks and suiteceuvres of those ale), to get VOWS ter the wend reading of the Bill, held out helves of alt;:i a (ions and owditicationa in the Committee '[lie Noble Lord on the woolsack, who had umuc «u eloquent speech in lavour of the divorce clan,e, had, with the alwle of the cabinet monsters, voted against the clause!—(Hear, hear). My Liods, I felt tudignation mid disdain. and 1 might also use a stronger term, at the charge of my Noble Diem!? Hid 1 been, like the Noble Lord, a supporter of the bill, I could have felt no difficulty : the difficulty with me was, that I was against the bill; but still I might have stated sollicieet reasons for the vote, in my wish not to add to the degredation of royalty, by &guiding his Nhajesty, a, well iis '.is consort. Every thing that I have heard; every thing that I have read; and every thing that I hate theught on this subject, has coulirmed my original opinion on this erasure. 1 had voted cult atientionsly that i did nut think the cheree against the Queen had beets mule out; and yet i ',mad myself coin epellcd to vete ter the divorce clause, which might app's' to give my sanction to the charge. I agree aitit the Noble Lord behind me (Ellenhormigh), that those aho voted fur the second etching of the bill, in the hopes ut its la lug altered in the committee, have been deceived ; but, of course, there %%etc no tricks, no 'name avres tit this. The Noble Lords who have hunt thus deceived, ' and induced to press hli to a stage which it other %%use would never leave a . ..ached, roust, however, oppose the third reading of the Lill. I trust, toy Lords, I shall be excused if I have expressed thyself warmly; but, consitici lag the charge made against me, and the quarter trout whence it came, I could not but heel it strotigly.— My whits is to sr. ' aeol an this House, and to discharge my duty faithfully and conscieutionsly. Lord LAUDERDALE explaided. Übe were capable on any account of say top what null! by possibiiity detract Rum the character of fins Noble Frienii, it would he in finitely inure painful to him than any thing that ever happened to him ii, the whole coarse of l us t tat. But he 114.1 110 t used the word ouworilig trick. He had only said, that it was a Parliamentary trick, often practised, and never, perhaps, more effectually than on the present occasiuu. He could assure his Noble Friend that, on all occasions, be could have but otia (echos towards hint, a feeling which had long existed, and must tollgates with him to the end of his life. Lord LI V LItI'OOL would fairly ask their Lordships whether, iu any stage of this proeet ding, he could be justly itecoved of holding out any expectations that had nut been reales , d l lie had merely stated, on the second reading of the Bill, that no Noble Lord ought to feel precluded from voting, because of uny objections he might have to the pre. preamble, or to the clause of divorce, both of which would tie open to discussion in the Committee. Ile hod always stated most distinctly, that the preamble was, in his non opinion, most substantially proved, mid lie could therefore never have held it out as his opiiiipu that any material alter. titian would eventually take place Lord CALTHORTE thought the vote which the Noble Earl near him (Lord Grey) had given on the divorce clause was perfectly consistent with all that he had heard (rout hint on the subject of the proceeding. Ile avowed it, ut the same time, to candour to his Majesty's Government, to say, that he could not conceive tuiything Inure becoming-the Moisten Ida country like this, than, whets they found tiny previous impres,ions of their awn hostile to the public feeling —it seemed to be a tribute of public feeling—to cute as tlury had done yesterday. The divorce clause wits undoubtedly at variance wit a the religious prejudices of It very cuosider• able portion of the best tafortned and right judging part of the community. The LORD CHANCELLOR. said, that the only question ',fl ut e t h e tram.e was, whether a word of thr:•e letters, tho won!" the" should stand part attic preamble or nut 1 mid he did not ima :ins that much le)it could have been noon oa that point by the sort of canvass is high had h....en going on, fin• he could call it nothing else, as to the votes on the third reading of the Rill. The Duke of HAMILTON said, it was necessary for hint to state to the Ilia.se that he objected to the 11111 aitogetlii r. Ile, therefore, w itliont entering into uny dLcussiun the merits of so obnoxious a proceeding, would merely move the omission of that part of the preamble in which the words " adulterous intercourse" were mentioned. It might he supposed that he would also object to the part containing an enumeration of the punishments to he Indicted upon a clinic, which, hi his opinion, hail not been legally mid de. monstratively proved. In this stage of the Bill he should nut do so, but merely confine himself to what he had at tint proposed, and he should afterwards move it as a corollrey to the former. The amendment, that the words "adulterous Intercour3e" be omitted, was negatived. Lord k ITZWILLIANI said, the apullerous interepurse had, in his opinion, by no means been proved. But he cal. led on those Noble Lords who held an opinion that lice Ma jesty was guilty, to limit the period during which they ciao sidered that she had been engaged In the criminal intercoursr, to a portion of time previous to the year 1817, us no pool whatever had hceu brought Coward of her communication with the individual named in the Bill after that period.— Ts refuse to adopt this 'principle would be extreme injustice to the unfortunate accused. Lord CARN AR VON said he had a clause to propose to to the House, for the propriety of which he should refer to to the former conduct of both Houses of Parliament, it was, he observed, most necessary to mark in the Bill the real cause of the present proceedings which, certainly, would hewer have been entered upon bad her Majesty remained abroad. The nativa well knew that Minkers had, ia in conjuncrion with another great body occasionally mi llet:led with them, supplicated the Queen to put an end to the proceedings against her, by leaving the country, and that they had offered her the sum Of 50,0001. a year, upon the condition of her absence from this country. W liatever might he said to the contrary, his Majesty's fditikers had made this proposition; and it was clear, that if the terms had been accepted, the .couniry would never have beard mure of the investigation. The Noble Lord then moved au :intendment, that there bltould he ititroduced into the Bill, :trier the Nerd " uhittatl," words to thi: elleet : " That her Majt-sty bad refused the sum of 50,0001. a yeur out of the public money, prolferred to her as a homage from both Houses of Parliament." _ The Amendment sus negatived without a division. Lard F.INO moved that there should be a clause intio duced to the following effect, after the word That certaiu English Commissioners appointed ut hlilau, with an ltaliaii Attorney named Vilroacarti, had collected a mitts of false, ealiimaillBs witnesses, who had beet. produced Reid had given false testimony at their Lost-hips' bar fur many ures.s, whereby the dignity of the Crown, the Nation, a" the Parliament, had sidlered great scanda l .' and dlbitolltlllf, tutu that the Ilutise entreated that it should be enacted that the persons who had acted on the Milan Commission should be reneleied fur ever incapable of holding any place or peu biUll whatever. The amendment was negatived; and the whole preamble having been gone through, the Rouse adjourited. TRIAL OF HER al Ael THIRD READING OF THE PAINS AND PEINALTIES BILL, AND ITS REJECTION: FRIDAY, woe. 10. The House met this morning at the usual hoar, *lieu prayers sere read, and the list called over at usual On the Order ut the Day for the third routing of the hill being read, and the question being put, Earl MORLEY rose, and said, lie had conceived it ne- . cessary that some enquiry should take plaee into the con duct of her Majesty, and that his Majesty's 'Ministers were called upou to institute such an enquiry ; and thinking also that the measures taken lit Parliamesit were the most likely to itivestibute the subject fairly, he had given his vote fur the enquiry. Ho had, however, on Monday Ism, opposed the secoud, as he now intended to oppose tile third reading of the Hid, because lie did not think the Let: ur as tiny ought to have been, incontestibly proved• the King or ever the prim aide was admitted of divorcing, It the Queen, except in eases where the public safety required it, what dangers would they nut runt The security of the 1111'011C and the satiny tit the State itself e until thus be ha g:utter'. Nu man was inure sensible ut the advan ta g es of . virtue and moral character in the Sovereign than himself. but these were buthiug to the c.dvantages of hereditary ih!e• cessic.n. The No b le Lord concluded by opposing the third reailiie; of Ow SOME AS spoke at some length in favour of the Bill, as it seemed to him that the adailery had liven folly proved, au opinion, he said, which had been also den ar ei by several Solite !Ands who h.iil voted a l ,a.iist the second reading of the "is Londship concluded by observing, that though some of the er 'deuce was rather coatradictury. as, fur iibtance, that of Cuelii, yet, uponthe whole, he `felt conscientiously bounu to vote for the pass ing of tht- Earl PORTESCUE said, that it was with much vain that