The Statesman. — London, England, 1820-06-08 00:00:00

Illimw" THE STATESMAN. • we. i wr it s nf the question . 'I he Hooke wood I -dry to snake a Previous. romamaeetlon oU the suli)ett to ' Arra. .. • •use tom the facts of the raw. wite,,, ou t b r i ne I Parliament, Het did the Holimerable Member not know : vir o.- • • ell to soy ultimate jteletuent • upon it. Hay- that the {'roan hod the pow rof origineliug all money ,shred to 11,i, ouch on the it ,.,, litun, io tar as the teLiol,Lltid he not kno that the Crown orleinated ''' „ ....swerved. he •11411.141 how sills& to seine all """ n " '"'"'" a """l i Wnlra 4 jaa aas made to the House : sprei s j- ;, 1 , 1 5 1 % o h•ell had been Made on th e r , rt . c i l H o p " sw ri c t t l i l i l , i . e ..,, e tt ‘ n o t i r e li, o, i 'this was the ontiaery course; y wire st use and that so c rimed it neves of soul aim: e ,th regard to the ll'it 6 ee W 'Skil had harts miry to st.lisitihe any !foreign power. we situtold advise Use • her M o'cstv. As t.s the advice, enough yvas t o . vt o to J • Man !open the pa) mein DI the speedle state. a ithom feeling : e h e n the 'at, • of the paper alreAy looked. to show llt has dolts to give Sus pre ions intimation t: P I' • tof el roe of it. He should , however, leoneeler that the i flit eirenno . stonier. or ehlilbiting any pinked; r n a o r ti l er lin. u en n the f p.l% , tom, trouts. out think lie dist Itarged bie duty, if i leer of the instnletent. It nes clear. that its tide he multi le-teil to s ay any thing on tile *observations which I not he cunt:Meted as exercising nu) disposition to encroach • upo n . the functions or prly Urges of Parlientent. As to the H o n mr.thle Members h a;, tottered on th.st s. Odom'. , e o i a b e o to protect the Homo. from the error and delta - rioelslons whirl, he thought it proper to recommend for her ajesty. he lout neon that pdint been sanctioned by the dew ' hil, it ryas sought to poet:tier on it.—(Cries of i Osten of Parliament. the auto he proposed beil:c to the sinus o a W I i• ha. • he 3 f ront Mr. ltronaliam.)-•He could a,stire the i antnunt as that determined ti to befixed by an act of the Legit.. , . • locue rable and leaitc,l Metob . er, as well to, 'he Riffht !store on a lo,rmer occasion. when the Ille,likit, Person left Von. lientlensan wlm sat ne a r h im , t hat they could tilt . t h e ri„mir).. *flie whole arraneement a ith respect to her ,osoiblv place the painful duty a h•is devolve I upon the had heels c o mmunicated to the Hon. Member alto was her i i,n . rroine nt is a stronger light that: those whose task 'raid mkiser : and the (tidy condition ou %%Melt the propo ,; inm , t o discharge it, weir 41,11tORPti to ad m it. Hitt %aloe was made was. that sate shoottd eusteinee to reside ,brr deprecatea a pri ..., th , r ,.. i ticer oj ga li ou ; an d if t h e , abroad. But it arts askc.t. if a tender had not teen made to bee to elle up her dignities as Queen ? Ile never thought ti;vcroment felt it their dote not to give more in detail that sti s i f s su i •: o 7 o ll .o ro u to t o i s m itio u n e y ‘ tys, o f r e h outoli.t. 111111111% The only which, wit linut a full intrirs, woulol be .t' a traesation, bit imper f ect ly developed , tll3ll was merely necessary to teantol„ abroad , she Ai . i . ii h h o . , ~,,,Ite„r,idiii,: d ignit y Io aeins'plitliiLlcliedie i ec d t o an investigation of thos e riceuemtairecus which t a d „ mum • - • mung •.., . stokteson • rharacters , to.serne such a title as attested them its tendering t he •.1 •ice they had glint to would not create a perpetual question among our Nlinistees lie Crown : vet, as that advice load not been tendered at (orrice ('uurte as to the manlier in which she as to be iti4' A air teol ,l or idle %tones repecting the eoeilect of triusurd 1, ) them. It nes not, howev e r , m e ant h; ';his, that • the Iliostrions Peremsee in iple‘lion, but front solid and she 5h.010., 1 forfeit her i izlith and dignities as Queen. and the setostantial inhumation, those facts ought to he taken a, Ilan. and Learned Ceti:lmam. her Connsel, had at this mo ,„ w i l y; p re sumptions to favour Of inquiry. Yet he wag meat a document in his possession o Welt would umni d e •t e 4 L, un acrstemi as desirous to stoat out oily part of Iwo% r this Met , and place it beyond the possibility of doubt. riot to le thsclatteed the imputation of having used any intbeeoce this enestion Wan _ kete°l_ ~_,h in ' est ,,,,,, i e .a _.. ti u ti • , I ,,_ e Iw IT I , with forcigis Governments ant: regard to the manner 'in Men Mite Hui. Aaell'leffl e " "" toil other It" worl d which they were to receive her 31ajesty: soul I:e did not by :perreiee that !here was no inclinaf no the ht trt of his an) means %%kis to relieve himself from responsibility as to Al.tjestv • s Ministers to pret ipit toe Parli, otie s i t into the the set stem he had acted o pe n in this respect. 11 hen the time di.„• oss i o n o f charges, -Oak , ' an 'twit' character involved :mould arrive fur considering it fully, lie should he prepared tia••ran! blame. That discus ' haol twett urged on by a ith a satisfactory vindicetion of Ills condttet and motives.— evc ats, urer which they bad no rontroul. But so Hoe. llt was an twinst and utoomoted ren.ure to charge him, or them with with whose he acted. with any disposition to treat and Learned lientleumu (Or. l iton e lt ann) s aid la s t n i g ht , Iter i Majesty with ilk/I.:feet or eenteimit. Itet while he that this duty world be laid neon Government, not only to make oat a strong case in /order to implicate hrr ass tod th i s, tlle p h r i i . % i tif:l i i t t e d i h tint ie r l i p w f i l i r , a n a r t i . lg to e a nte u e i 1 .0 .111 0 1 distinction in h t Majesty, bat also to prose, to the entire satisfaction of There ass n very great difference between a Queen of right the House, that at the moment they advised the Crown mid a Queesi of grace and favour. Tile Queen of grace and t o make this communication, titer had no other course of favour might, or might not, be reecilist at Court. according proceeding to adopt. He now felt himself called upon to the terms on a hick she stood ail' the Monarch, for it 'to defend iiitoselfagainst the opinions argeti on a homier could not he denied that the King had the some power of re light by a Right Hose Ogistlemais olopoottle, and by an Palling his conduct toe aria his remity with any other indi- Hen. and Learned Gentle rimi e lou sat on the saute liana' in his dominions, or of managing the affairs of his bench. At the time when i' ;: Tame nect-svre to settle own house. 'Else coronation was a eurresssoay at whirls per sons were aliowtel to assist only at the discretion of his Ma th: provision for the Crown, the Hight Go-. Gentleman •te whom he alluded, called the attention of the House to i c u o .s u l ido ' n ) .re t ri ih o ' n " a l ili r 't in r ea s n ud to iosl7;.litilorillt„tit s a x i n t; t to he certain rumours which he had heard of the Queen dis- laugh .)—. t charge ! ° li e d also been Mad e . rt i b ". .. ii l l t r t neer.—Ma honouring the high station, she had attained. lie (Lord jest% 'a moue not hying mentioned in the Liturgy. but 'Castlereagh) had reason to suppose, that the sentiment% it mould. he contended. ben mere mockery to advise the in then expressed by the Ri•tht Hoot. Gentleman. would serien of Imr Alejesty's name le the Liturgy from the tele rrern his conduct in the present instance. 'l* he Right lion in which she stood towards the Sot ereign. The Metter lien. Gentleman then ex loceteol that the mentors should liens le British Ministers abroad, with respect to the manner .111 disavowed, or that the Honer should be failed on to in which they were to Woke towards her ;Majesty. had been so far back as e year acre set ortha trifitiee their ow n joulgusent upon them. ,and the Right WO. Oentlentan haul stated, not less hardily, that either e givenc li r i l ,. ; ( :, l : l l. r i l t :: l t t n e r r e . silie heft lerltia t ) l e ig st i ) a . n u d as Isli;trkilnt° and the tro.nitini!: ' f biiii.eini t er n,i ls could he persnivied himself that his Majes;e bail not Mini.ters represented, and therefor . .. :t would not ‘* lse e dirc o o: 110111111thetd, err that an Illnatrious Indiviiinal haul not rotes for ono of them to introdece her at that Court to whirls riegimet med. vilified, and calms' niated. —(Hear, hear ..) he happened to be dinned. The) a ~,. lion e% er, Instructed eellet.t e other Honourable and Learned tleutleniati to posy every ragout' to her lief:1111111P I • lion and comforts tapered to concise witls his Right lion. Friend while 'retelling. Ile thought it rig'.: to• s:nie distinctly, that ;Voris, believing that there was no other it was tell to forcien eoverionients i. r •.•.•:se her MejeSr) as VA either on Parliament ur Ministers than :thatthey thought tit ; hu: that it MU 11111kr.:" a t to be the custom • . int and sacred dote in such a case to avoid with thme not to ree•ive any persons i• I , were not rt. ec', ell all disclosures which were likely to adonis the public at their own Courts. If it were though! !ht iseries or Ulan tiffeatiwas haul attended her Alajesty's ero a gr m ess through any mind, and affect the public .tratiquillity. lie had pert of tot' Contment , they arose emorely from the &tenni justlx considered, that feeling . % and characters were nation on her part not to travel staler any other character al risk, and that motives, letth of poliey and duty, than that of itlneuel of England. .I.t to the steps totem upon maspired not to sanction an investigation, unless it her 'nisei iu ad:country, her Majesty was as are, and must reseed by the molt urgent circumstances. From hate known ) teat uputusuch ass eveut occurring, the ketone fOp, Mill Mies limed an the subject from that diate eonsmeiteire vs oillit be, lib hale eia, question in *bleb n. and Learned Member, be could nut discover :ray she was concerned submitted to public int eetigation. As relaratinn of those sentiments. Even wlth his feeline •, soon as slit came forward to claim all the honottrs and rights Y the advocate of her Majesty, he did toot see him ofis- Lei raging to it 4`)"re" Of ElleleU.l-86 soon as it ass known Well to make it matter of charge against Itiaieters, tha ''' oft 1.','"i1",-.• a le ~,.a " "h i "l ye ' „ the , iT hlie _ 1 .1 1 , 14 : 1 1 1 , ° , 1 _ 11 that they had not urged on au inquiry into her conduct, usually ll •e It a • I l l u l e t t o • • It i • .i .3lle ri 11 ° 7 s ' t nt ..e at „o l o i l t d ' n ino l k re t d „ a P i‘ e v rtl u a l m l ee s i or that they still left the door open fur terms of Want- fur the eStabil t Ltil . ll . t I.r a n d all her claims as Qaern of this cotiu ' geolatiten, in the hope of obviating the painful duty try —from that samisen: the CloYertsotwut had no option. — which now devolved upon them. If there mold, by any , Timm wai re, di-pesition a lostever, hermit! sksitre the House. .piesibility. be a doubt of the propriety of the mum iu the highest quarter. to cramp or restrain iter Alajesty's eau which the Government haul adopted in this transaction, veuiences awl cujcy menie. When It was lama° that her . the occurrences which had taken Glace within the last Majesty load" , a cweetaeleali",ll,B,s made to "'" front the , fort ht hours would show how little advantge could First Lord of toe 'freasur y (Lora eaverpotol , the Mt.,. as I Learned Gentlemen. but through her 0%11 if dreitethl from negotiations wills her Majesty. She seent Hit I his ulcer, that no interruption in i th i e reenter_ payment pier- ere little regard to the advice of her Counsel ; for sintinotenta and diseloeures bed been made public, which, o w f a t s h r e a t i t s i e e d . ' s i l t t • i rs „ i so b o y u l i e n tale a,i‘ place , t.l ;u andnt I t ru i rtrr e" tr il tat il i a " n el y i • accrortling to that Hon. awl Learned lientletnan's own t aceatonnof tetions w e re reimired in the way of ads Incas. thee statement, were garbled and incorrect, Site took the world be freely given. in order to mashie her in provide a advice of persons who were but ill qualified to give it, 1 residence of her own.—lllear, hoer iy-- -tic denied that her MA thht advice was both o lanientehle and criminal, Majesty cooed retie, it as :Wig • be lodged in any of the fßepetated cries of Hear, hear !)--It appealed to the pas- I palaces of the country. It la be inconvenient in many skins of the lowest order, o f d ie p eop i e .__(H eur , (, ear !) ►respects, and there were at pre.. any of the members of the Km al Family lodged in prive t a ll -Meat i)-- -and who was lie, nut altogether blind to the pre- Ile believed tie had nue touched t all the utsterial eircum %eat state of affairs, that could possible shut his eves to , thP Motives and purpose for which such an appeal was e s : l e a s:eel i w i bieh if it ti a in n t s p r i. rary t for i ls il iwl t tatokegtuittatinttoo4:llloll at no nowle.—(llear, hear . ) —For himself, he rejoiced that Wade which it aIS a o u t Z e ia ll ae ll :11 all great questions. lie Ministers acted upon afrinciple which must guard the trust e d a l so that th e people would not fad to wait pet:catty ' public WWI from the effect of inch bane anti perfidions the result of the preseut *minify. But if an) disposition was artificer. And what was the step which had led to this felt in any quarter to make this subject a source of agitation • tour*? , If her Majesty was innocent, was there a man I to the country. aml here "lie could not. in justice. nbstaio • with the feelings of fiunian n a t u r e shunt hi m , t i tsit j from stating. that as far as the tan lion. and Lharnerl Gen - noted apt feel the highest gratification at it ? Certain- tle•nten opposite were coarerneol, there was a total absence of all such dispositions; but if(' turned out that her Majesty Iv net. What were the feeliuge of her advisers (for, a had lent berarif to any anischieyou% mind coarse adviser— ge had said, she had others besides legal advisers), he s IMAM net pretend to ennjecure ; but this he would load docent—tic gi , ) ll -- ,H t l lo r e s ii result her w i x oc id e u a l ec tiusa a t e 0. r .1 , ) . - c te o s n e c h er h n o r ,r d ..t a ha m t i t a w s fearksely Ineintein, that the course pursued by the fio- trusted she world he able to establish both—(Cheers frum vernmenewas above all suspicion. What the nature of 1 the Opposition.)—hut as ter as tier eltaracter ass concerned. thaillassui would be, they never concealed from those 1 she would Eat that it could dense wattling but slain and re melt siikled" to be made acquainted with it on the part proaeh from such dangerous. each weak, ur wicked ash isere. Wlkeeeliak,,,pnd who hail It in their power to give I — (Cheers front both sides of the liouse.)—The \ (dole Lord lb behAtaf such information . The Hon. and I eenehided with ;fluting. '"fisat the papers which were v es- Loaned Gentleman opposite (Mr. Brougham) hid been i terday presented, and laid on.the table 'tithe Goose, be ret ie nomespioa of theproileidings determined upon, fur , fersedute a .Belerteonneiller to consider the matter thereof. ' ere leeetban 'eight full months. He was not disposed i and report thereon to. the I leuse." to plateierontroyersy about words, for in such a - j Mr. Ilion:cif so ruse and s..id, that reluciant ea the s dust as, aim as this, a controversy of that nature Noble Lord felt to apprpach the subject now before wield be truly contemptible; yet lai eight be permitted to assure that Poise, that th e. obi s the Huns'e, he could House, 11 ilwarrvlwith the term " negotiation,' which had been invi- . fhtently employed, for The purpose of exposing the tine of Lord was not in •re et til t to appr.wh it than he taco Government in their own light. 'Floe facts trf'se I was. Bat mow that the Matter was so length broken. wIt"M• not, heweter, bb lied* public, either by collateral , 4 1. fro 'Within,: but satisfaction that the hour had 'at lteseberclitete pris, as sash a mode of disclosing them , l a • . h - .1 et • Ir o „7 a , n ;, i,, n ,.. er r ' rer A n A trouts' last :amt.( a i 1 tti::ile lie ealeellMy pr:iudfelal. Yet he was not to be under- i stoethat as saying , equestion was incapable of heists! Ping in t o eirceem:an sem. and explanations whirls for eorepletele eternised. AM he eouleoded for was, that thee* long period ill. felt it his they to suppress. Imp wt. I r w l iff i t althea% lallreelatine with her MeielnY4 oe holding i ant, most solemnly important was the quo shims which eat any . 'boor paltry sacrifice, in order to induce her to give 4,..e. e_ pltercl uts ds, or honour.. His Majesty's Alinisterehid o , niv "Tr ra iled ° P °l to tkeitie--tetreeteet were these Witi tillir proposed, taken i nto cous id erst i on tbo otra . i discussions whcther they 'hello' be considered in reit . semeenee s ilklbh must resift from leyisti tie whole question I tion to Abe illustrious intlivignal herself—in relatioia . ) .loefeesilariiestepe i , Ile tell that be clamed not be di ' to the interests of the whole of that family with which ing i l e iii be duty,. responsible situation he Altera . ..hie' this qiirea forward while It could possibly beim° i d . was ectimected by. gluon e$ maniere-10 relation , VI. ty hoe beaseloomemeat wiihb or m a jo a to, f oa dosinebspeo to the Constitution of this cowitry, to the dignity nod . erateinen *bread /egad continued is that state of ailleallajess popularity of the family au the throne, purl to the -tom tilli Klig rhino had whlwelle it" ! 'chiracter, not only of this Howie, hut of Pirlihnient ties mount tree, so fir from feeling It his ditty to being this .%Inliaject forward. he Austad consider himself bound by the 11 44414 anr* for its iireriess aird justiee,....4ipwar, hear, '1 10 9,4 sacred obligation to avert so calamitous an layeatigs- 4 hiww 7)*liefeler he proceeded farther, he might be per t, lion.-41lear, boar o—He should he the last leenaleellat - naittees -a it, t h at outset &below that Cite illastrisom Lady J 5 11 0 that would he a party to such a measure. Aid here be'' whip, utl • meld sot helpjreeretting the observations meelismie et swil ~, •• ,_ crests were ocloiellf at.etake, tweet evince:l a a the preceding ulsi t t by a n lion . w ip e., (m e. it imme t). eiepositwo to appeal, to thgt zuoleiuflueuee to which Ur , t e am. he wee pedeemled, from the warmth of. Idatesneser (be: Priage Lora alluded: "Her sagaei'y. 'Which Sees 4 1m I t a. r f u i ° the .teent . Penfield lanewletion• Thai .Hew- • not. Vflitkiof to that of' ini'perebil whunt He *ad ever . Oet ha(' that a bribe had been offered 4Mr i irsusin, **Ai Wise . teebiddis ter such a reerinnos-eo „lyrei al Mt on fin; Aldo she was toe Mr i as Dub Vestfeeliasto most -114 ,orineW bat Nate of .proprioty—a seem, whittle Ise,leitsere lid of Waver If tilira l i t sresiow that it bad been Maw ; ilit be in • ifesl d ' * • .Tel 43, .. i a 44 lu vs beep ter. .. eve, ii4ri • I ,r, - .. _ • . ..;- -.:- .., long, and not a voluntary ahsence, from the bosom of a family where all those high and pure feelings are best cherished. fist rent••ral from sash ties was not an act of her own. • She miwillingry submitted' to the absence of that controul, and the want of those do mestic habits which were to all females, froM the highest to the lowest, the best preservative of that propriety and delicacy whiAs weris the most becoming ornaments of the female character. Such feelings, however, of propriety--such a sense of sagacity that illustrious Wonnan possessed, as would have beeti sulficieut, intlepeuiliont of her high birth and educa tion, to have prevented her front entertaining. an idea of the nature i !!! ! 'tied to her.---(Hear, hear !)—He prayed and implored the jnstice of the House to Ni out on the task which was before them with diming , sionate impartiality, hut, above all things, to cow moire with this principle oif justice due to the meanest as well as to the first subject of the country, not only too believe in the existence of 'noon-cure until guilt was estahlkheil, hut also not to allow prejudice to arise or suspicion to grow up front mere outward ap ; petrol:res. He would not now go into a view of her Majesty's case, for they were not yet c..llrd upon to itivestieate the question of guilt or innocence. 1 hat question was nut yet presented to them in such a i she, eas they might grapple with. They had much to go through before they could arrive at such an istue—ao little inquiry should previously take place ;hove stairs---and he flattered himself that no little discussion should take place in that House, 'before they could come to the great and final question. ssisoo(Cheers from the Ippusition.)—lint as to the view which had been taken of her Majesty's reception in this country, he would frankly put it to the House to consider, that here was a feossale'unpoutected and al- Most friendless, who bad hnig been absent from that conottry, and diving that ab,ener silt'.-red inane severe stortiti adonis— a Female who suffered a shock to her Maternal feelings, by a loss n hick none but a mother could appreciate in all its extent; a Female who left this coronary six years ago, and since noade•a foreign country her unweliminto but necessary abode. Ile wombd put it t o the Members of that House, if they !were men of honour, if they were gentlemen, if they were no', woul•I they blame her f or any hasty error which she might hare eninniitteil in listening to re commendations, w hich, if not the recommendations of a bsolute wisdom—(lleac:)—were at Loast well meant, and therefore 114 . 0pe1l it would not he ouvretell that be would treat them with any thing like reprehension. The Noble Lord hail all along argued this question as if he (Mr. B.) had advised li• r Majesty to complain of the proposition fur sul !!!! itting the papers on the table to a Secret Committee. The Sobie Lord further sup• posteil the CO010:6'111 to he in:nle of a Secret I.' mittee, as if that were the ultimate tribunal of judieatu^e ; and he added, by was of admission, that though the l'um i would be secret, still importunity would be af t low ample istiptiry. au option would he given of bringing forward evideoire to weaken and r but the evi dence on the 'other sioli liberty would beallowed no investigate and er..ss-exami lie the testimony against her Majesty. The Noble Lord needed not to have given him our such information-1w oas aware of it—he felt nil .4.. angoise aj it, nor wuulA he counael her Majesty lastan-, sitkr Bath a eircumitance as one of relief, breasts* is was given nut in the florin of all admission. But what was it that he (Mr. B.) really complaiued of: He would ask, I dial any man " in sober seriousnass" believe, that a Se t cret t•onotittee was the itt +s proper mode of prameed ing '.)—To make it Inure palatable, indeed, the Noble Lord coinparo•ol it to a grand jury. Liut man could he so deltuled as not to see that there was not the slightest analogy between them. In all fasts where a grand jury acted, the bill which they found ' did mot stop even as to its merits with them—it was stilt ta another trihtwvl, w.:ere it was patiently exa mined oil one side and the other. Did such a pre trotted anaitogy take iu any man? i t should, besides, if • 11.i•oliCiAeti, that a grand jury was sworu—(Hear, hear 7):--that it was c posed of Men entirely M- I , partial; that it was, rrool'illy, of no consequence to them whether A amp It did ur did not, owparately or !La isootjunetion, kill and slay t! and 11. They were intliderent as to both the issues. A grand jury was also indifferently molested. Each of the p orties in to-rented had an equal share in striking the patting, No doubt a grant jury derid-od on ' le e v idence ; lint still it was such evidence as conlit be placed in • lit iiig contact with the opposite evideuce. But Isere, the ceisleuce to he laid before this Committee consisted !entirely of papers—of letters--of Itllfillytlloll‘ letters— ., pieces of evidence gathered up at C.e other side of • the Alps, which were oat evidence, and were called so he that Secret Commit:sal to, which ha I been mat ont fr o m this country to Milan—God kite* whom. tlf that evidence be as yet knew itatiolitg. Ile hod seen the outside of the gront bag which contained it, b•tt nothing tumor... No living %iterates were to be brought forward—bathing . in the shape of life IVA* • iut be produced, except persons to prose the antheuticity of son:h and suck manuscripts---per suns to swear, " this is the signature o f a., a nd sni;' Theie Were the down nents eullecteal by the 'Secret l'ountoission which sat at Milan fur ten mantits, at the heath of which he regretted was an individual of the hootonrahlis rofasissian to which he 01r. H.) lieloited. That in tiviqual was out of his SL .—sty's Counsel-- I was distinguished for Iris learning, unit, until then, itha4 hero-gesera:iy esteemed. Ile was commonly sup , posed to be next in rotation to alt orrice w:iieti was ill S•ITIle respects ; fl in short, an expectant Master iu l'ltan;erv. It was with pain thai he (tir. B.) saw I such a matt I oweced (ite.could not avoid, ..for the hu t pour of Ida prae-wium t use • mo..tibeation he saw such a . !Isnot With agrnts of a T el.* k leit.ling himself tu , the' btisineas I•stie little-tattle ,uf coNee-houtmo a !irerne—entering into congdewtie bArgemain 'on . have, and lerryeten cast-off servants of mistresses atm: naosat) . attending .at Milan vl~: which could lo elm,* witnesses whom Courts tifAnsto ° siiiiittii; but 'reprobate to thii! hoifotti •:1-tsitiing, ha. would add, telebileef fa imerer4 reeik evltleuteleneieturowld Court *f Suffer. for the puerile-et f.'" e (ilesl4-bull thought nom 4to s iittoferoloo, shag `*l t Jl. • . .. man, could not see the degradation of inottb•i,..withollt feeling mortified himself.—(Clear, hear'.)—lf midi busi ness was to bare been dune joy tiny bands, he regretted that it was not done by hands natnrally base.—(flear, beii!)- 7 -The Hon. and Learned Hentiesnan then pro ceeded to corniest the argument, that the report of a Committee, of itself, was not of a decisive nature. It was decisive, so tar as this,' that he was sure no man who beard, woothl willingly submit every partienlar of his conduct for the last tit %tor six years to the inerction of *Committee of t I Meouhers—of a Committee, too. it should..be.,tem,qtathered, • where he would have no soire— e I %lint:WWl.' 'Wiwi •haii.- feeding's; -Witoe'lat •UV i lity. perhaps, but alienation towanls him; -and ; who might not indeed be called an enemy; but cermlnlY was an antagonist. lie would put it to any man, Wahl be like Ills conduct foi the last six rears. to tosi,ergo euch a -scrutiny, all the evidence being against him, Without one witness being heard on his part. He *count bid such a man to put his hand on hi. heart, andiste Id the House whether he would like his conduct to be'exonlin ed into by a Committee so composed, a Committee so confined in the vale of darkness, who were to terniinate their sittings by snakine a report of their examination to that House. 'Tree, the Noble Lord said, that the re - port of the Committee might he, that no grounds exiss ed for further inquiry. Ilut where was the man who would run the chance of suds a report ? Womb} he not. sacrifice every thing that was dear to him in life, loomo than expose himself to such a hazard, from a Coononit. the sledding upon %that was dearer to him than life—his honour? In the mean time, the character of phi party accused is blighted—the essence which alooie could wash out that stain was to be applied at sore. , future iudeternainate period, and even when at length, trial would he obtained, it would be gone into with dis advantages and prejudices against the accused. It iv.. in vain, he would repeat it, to liken a Secret Committee to a Unwed Jury. The cu 'anion which bail already sow, had furnished Ministers with the foundations of an i . copinion moan this opieetioe. Why did they not act open it ? lie would tell the se. They wished, by referring . these papers to a Select Committee, to shift the respell sibility from their own shoulders, to the sboolders of the !loose of Common,—(Cheers.) —This was what they wanted, to shelter themselves wider the name of Ril• liament—(Lousi clies of Hear, bear!) —'rosy did o co' oh.e: to face this question as it became men, and as Ministers oneht to have done.—(Cheers.)—The Hon, and Learned Member proceeded to argue the advantages of an open trial. As to the precedents which were cited, it would lw recollected that the charges made by those Commit tees arose incidentally out of the matter which was wide, • examination. The case of Sir T. Ronnhoill ars.e inei dentally out of an inquiry into East India accounts. But even in that .case, they examiril witnesses as well papers. In the case oe Atterloury, he believed no paper was referred to, except that letter to which Mean Swift alluded. But here no witnesses are to be eaaatined—(Yes, yea, from Lord Castlereagh.)—Then witnesses were to he examined by the Committee—witnesses for her Ma jesty. If so, then they were to he examined in I.er Majesty's absence—(Hear, bear '.)—they were to be ex amined without his professional assistante—(Hear!) without the assistance of ally of her Majesty's adviser." He tendered his hearty thanke to the Noble Lord, that. by such an excinsiou, he, and his Hun. Conceive wo.otid bespared the mortification of seeing the fortes of justice half preserves!, while the substance would be wholly re moved. He was glad to be spared that :notification, one of the gr..atest whirl. a prof .s i pit men could endure, and next only to that of being found in sues roomany as he had ',wrote described. —(clear, hear !)—The'ittni. and Learned tientlenitto then referred to the negoi.ietioto which hail taken pl..c - at St. Homer's, if hared it mielot thee:4W se steam:wimp. and era sat it did mat op pose that Ministers, necesearile, by that proceeding, d.'- peeled from- the usages of ibartiament.. The Queen could not give tip her rights without an Act of Parlia ment, hut then she might consent not to . exereise them. 14.. t she was further rolnired not only to lay down her dee, hut even when trarelltaltineogaite M mistime mu tit's which iselsouged to any measlier of the Royal Fami ly. 'What would this lie, lout to admit that she Was unworthy to be a member of that lawily.—(Clear, hear!) —For hi: pd. he confessed he was most anxious for a private, amicable, but honourable areangenotut. Yet Inc instantly ao 7 v.sed her ahojeety when as •Ii terms wee. of erred to her to reject them, and i•steaolof " alter'' a Morning. Parer shouli say in ite.garblett account,. '. he fire" her Majesty expressed indignation it RIK+ pro cols he lo lit recommended her to rejectlbese and tile \Nei was siowe graciont.ly pleased to eenfiret his IL-- collection on that point. Ile ihould also state. that lie ,called the account " garbled," not that. sate *isrepre rents:lion was given of Lon! Llutchinsou'i litter. .1 hat letter was correctly given o lee only complained that W. answer was o.ritte.l. Being on lisie,.stiltject,.blessood I not but state a alorning Paper of Wostestait(else Monti ~.. Nit) had taken a t unwarrantallle . 44leerty with has an+ Lord lioitehinsou'e name. He Wofeltl reetwantest.l lo 'r Majesty rather to go a stele fuels thtn.nittio g. , far enough towarde any negoietion which night Lead to a private adjusts pent. That rotors, wag thittoost atfylsali.e for all parties, fOr when this icaptiri was had. beg..,), who shell say wltereit van dud?—(Caries of I fear !) t ---..:- ler inakink some remarks on the ledolaess of Out present attempt, wed the di& allies with which Lt mast be at ten let; the Hon. lientlemaa procealedso implore the Nods • to ruled (WHO efllitoting ensktwlnstitons coney s/tierces which must CI ow from its ntistitt -emitie ef prio:veding. He begged . , fur tioolko'kelit, t or * . the sat,- of all the branaes,af ti.e novoll I w osily e :aild rar the sake of the esiuntrv.,ho pawn, betas they prochoded act fulte.. Evea.for iissoakso( *hair wives spa - sfaaibtes.. be implored them is. elostaiss fosoutteleuteelk OA 111 . 111 Isriue fortis Wie mow pahe r V e r iiirpoteir - slit le la•ti I % . then Let 'be to...oiled whit zit• elatentyears ago. 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