The Statesman. — London, England, 1820-07-19 00:00:00

be da t a , an I properly exercised. Indeed, it might rtiu ~s ah ly he Inferred that no abuse had taken place, 2. sot a resident alien had been remanded from to . conntry u o'er the trt of ISIS, and only nine in &wim' of any description. He should not shrink tram perfornsine his duty with reglad to this amemare, ryer Noble Lords might differ with him ipso he ge „ a l o r particular merits. With thi s feeling not his „oil, he should now move that the Hill be reed a wend time. The gado( DARNLEY opposed the motion. He was v iui :i g to give the Noble Lord every credit for gentle aria sai : good feeling, but still he could not consent to place such extensive power in the hands of any in however excellent might be the qualities of h ear t It was the policy of this country always to r , ror sg, rather than repel foreigners. But this was a L ia against every principle of policy, justice, and haws 's, : it was one which, as he had . already stated, art „ mo st dir.rrsreful to the nation, and he should not . a c t the Sill to pass without entering his decided ?r ant & pleat it. Hod H.S►ACsu said, he should not now trouble their L e lips with a repetition of those 'capons which had jyylece l l him to oppose the measure in the first instance; ...g ao l it would he irksome to them to attend to him ; would the praline feel an interest in the the agitated state is which the public mind ow ' dm" Yet, still he conlil not be so far wanting to h i nn eesse neglect his duty, because the public hae atite breoploved upon other sultects. Indeed, the si hiefgok which this and the other wise of Parliament ma, seder recent circumstances, were very similar to twat wild an individual had been owe placed, who hadfilvearel the world with the result of his survey of tie Turkish empire. The individual in question, M r . gale, use prolially still alive, and could personally re sit/a fact which was stated in the account of his travels. Hieing hoes Moiled in Bulgaria, Mr. Eden soon found Incise!' at the residence of a perm, of disti nctioa e whim be beheld, seated near the sofa, a Turk of rank. whoa air en marked with due Turkish gravity, while his look bespoke suspicion and dirtrust. It appeared that idr. Eden, with meaty-six other persons, his compa nions, had become obnoxious to him, and their heeds were to be rot off. The charges against them were cue Weed in a bag—(A laugh)--it was, he verily believed, a green bag, for the Turks were food of that c o lo u r.— (Lagghter.j—A. bag, however, it was, whether green Of grey, and it was no less certain, that It was made the de pository of the weighty accusations against the unfortu nate travellers. In this dilemma, while he was every newest expecting to have Turkish justice inflicted tip` es him, Mr. Eden applied to an interpreter who was at basil, to explain who he was, and that he had no de signing objet is in view. Bat unhappily for that gen tleman and his twenty-six companions, the interpreter descried the bag lying in a corner of the apartment, and weave confounded at the portentous spectacle, the dread fel ;teen bag---(a laugh )-that he could think of no thing else, 'stile he ran about exclaiming—gee/ wren pet midis° seer°. Now he thought their Lordships and the other House were exactly In the same predica meat with those persons, or perhaps more properly, with the in etter,,fbr, they would su ff er their pockets to he pitied could recover from their dis may at the thoeg = e gems hag.—(A laugh.)-- This bag, honorer oesiamq as it was, ought est to migrate their ' hip.' attention exclusively. But to come so the . It sweated to him that the Nellie Lid iatredweed this moils% as if he eakeei thllM their laidellips attpdamed la lt u a wan* 'of counts. It was. is fact, acting in a manner that might be called, according to the Noble Lord's own system s cool and easy.—(A laugh.)—But what, he would ask, was the real object of this execrable mestere ? Why, it was to band over twenty or thirty thousand human creatures to the artAteary goveransent of his Lordship. Persons talked of aliens us they did seine yeets ago of the Rama Catholics, ea if there was no security, except such as could be devised by ocsuional laws. It was cer tainly possible that an alien alight have bail iateutions towards the establishments of this country; but lie would ask was there no protection to be hid in the laws against such an alien: And if the laws as they stood provided that protection, what more did they want? The argumeate of the Noble Viecount in support of the Bill were simply two—first, he argued, that the power of sending aliens out of the country, was a prerogative of the Crown ; and secondly, be contended, that there was a strong presumption that the power given by this Hill would not be abused. He (Lord H.) had made no re searches upon the question of prerogative ; but he INN prepared to maintain, th a t it it was a wholesome prom puve, and if it were advantageous for the people that it should be exercised, then and then only it could be emisidered as a prerogative belonginF to the first magi,- trate of this couptry. Further. with respect to this prerogative he had to observe, that from Magna Charta shwa to the tire, of Blisebeth, and including her reign, there were not less than 23 0r27 Acts regarding aliens, yet in none of them did the existence of such a prero gative appear. The only ease of a contrary tendency in appearance, was a proclamation issued in her reign apissi Seetchmen, by , which they were driven out of sighed ; but even that proclamation was not an *seer ties of prerogative ; it was in virtue of an Act of Par liameat in the reign of Henry VII. which Act was re pealed in the time of James 1. Upon this question of Prerogative, he could not but observe, that there was great confookia aemeg all, even the ablest writers. Ac cording to the writers on civil law, the Sovereign power Ins part of the prerogative ; these the Crown of &sig hted was said to be absolute. Undoubtedly it was so far absolute. se to owe allegiance to no other King; but it was not independent of the Parliament ; and he agreed with Lord Coke in attributing. eorereigatr to the per mof the King, but not to his power. So man could maintain that every nation bad not the right of sending out eltafiffer4; but that power resided in the supreme utimsrity of the motion. It did not follow from this, that such a power woe part of the royal prerogative. The Noble h isconat had gives himself the balsa of supposing that the powers world set be abased. because they to he apeareeled by his wild di He (Lord , 1 1 42b0d ham *a terms of personal ip with tie ilibilimeat tor souse years, but he mast say, that whale Wien his opinion formerly .f the NeWe Lord's . his eondeet for the last *sr or live lan bad eeashlemahly altered that opiates. But It little divided what was his opinion of easy man to whom sack peens were to be entrusted; steadies forward as a Amber of Parliament, he was bound to say, that the grisAd net depend en the !Webb Laud's character. pan i rer was le itself arbitrary—it wee dlonotiouary, aad wherever it was conferred, there Mai abused. The Nei& Yiscoeat said it was exerelosi mildly, bat be (Lord 01 -d i karittost Nam m e w a is was productive Pril. to haw hasisissaa of hall rlZlOn li the esistreim et the Bill. He * that advantage Wines SWUM otanother the *no Itaaaledgo that such a Kill was in anistessee. weld net notation 1111•11,14 hot he wo•W appears an in dividual* heiudebted to an alien, and beiwirminvitiv th e , t bis debt, weehltersilmon Mus "If rig:: O give me six months twill* an Per Ma 4 11111 . L. _ . aou hese I hare sethleg to do hat taifa and 'Meg in "mg !Ind isnath's eel. that you ate 11,. ku and • es panto, thus I ear have you seat du e cOslatris red prevented front proeeeding agait that such a case as this had actuall Bill had been pertnitted to et pile i and he would say that he loo!:rd most atrocious engines of tvranny our time. It was a link of that the freedom of inquiry, and I teed knowledge--a chain that was forged It was a measure which subjected ' interference of Foreign Ministers gil i to say so, because in other countries where an alien law existed, the same consequence was produced. He hall very recently conversed with a gentleinau of this coun try, who, while he was in pursuance of a law suit in another country, was actually transported to England. 'flits facts were communicated . to the British Resident in that country, bat no redress was obtained. Herr, again, lie would nut mention names. The gentleman diof not choose to have his name made public; but could any man believe if a proceeding had been resorted to before the Alien Act, that a representation ought not to have been made against it by the fiiiver iiiii ent of this cons try? But since the passing of tow Alien .Ict she mouth of liovernment was stopped. If such a representation were made the Foreign Cover ttttt ent might say in an swer, " Look at your own Alien .Ict, what right have i yes to c plain f Yon bring our countrymen noder the gem danger." Every man, in fact, knew that this law ; was quoted in foreign countries as a justificatioa of Imany acts of violence. Such was the feeling, pia Nramst it. Foreigners were aceustomed to say to Irishmen abroad, " Yon, by your Alien Art, have pl a stigma on us in England. You boast of your English i law mad liberty—but so niggard, so jealous are you all i Imparting thew to others, that when we breathe your, air you do not permit us to enjoy them." The Noble 'Fieecint said, that this Bill was only reviving an Act passed two rears ago. But as one ground showing impoliry of such an Act, which did nut exist when Art had been formerly passed, lie would ask, did it place the Ministers en a new difficulty? suppose the, were asked by the 31inister fur Spain to expel any of her subjects from this country, could they refuse it? He looked forward to the events about to arts.• in that caw ' try with as much exultation and hope, as any other me. But with his knowledge of what had occurred his life-time, he confessed lit' was not so sanguin i s i tt i l hope that every thing would be done without db. Mebane, to the postal tranquillity. Suppose, that the Nobles and the Ulergy of Spain should hereafter have to encounter such vicissitudes of for esee as had fallen se the lot of the Nobles and Clergy of another great coustry, although wisdom dictated that we should do every aline to preserve our connections with Spain, yet if any of her subjects, under such cir esetatances, took refige in this country, might sot her lioverninent say to ours, " Why do ye act in this man ner? Send them away, do not receive them." To such k demand our lioyernment might say in reply, " if we tad no Alien Act, we are a free country as well as you— we are governed by law, and we have slot the power to send them out of this county." But when an Alien Art wee in existence, though if* refusal were given,it would be OW legitimate sauna war, yet it would give rise to soopicions and to complaint-, which would necessarily lessen the relations subsisiitie• between the two coon Mee. In a similar difficulty teas the French (Myers - met placed by the censorship on the press, which was established about the same time that the revolution had taken place in Spain. The Sp•iiiish Minister, seeing some paragraphs a the French Jonrnals which were dial rested against the new state of things in Spain, plained of them to the French Government. The vernment replied, tint they had nothing to do with ; but the Spanish Minister rephed—e•Tes, papers; confroul of those papers in your own hands. I insist upon it, that von have no right to sow divisions, in our country. We have no army of our own to enforce' this right ; but we can plant the tri-coloured Hag upon the Pyrenees, and retort upon von, by setting y ou . at va- I riance with yourselves." So the Spanish Minster was said, at least, to have replied, and his representation I was elfectnal. The Noble Baron proceeded to contend, i that the presumption of all English law was, that, where arbitrary power existed, it was likely to be abused. He must say, whatever were the fears expressed ins pe tition on the table, he had no apprehension that, under this Bill, any . process of an indirect nature would be I remitted winch might affect her Majesty. But still fears of such a process might be entertained elsewhere by individuals. He would put a case. Supppoose a sub ject of Austria—and he singled out Austria because, he must say, that in all times and places, if any thing un fair, wean, and treacherous, was to be done, the Aus trian Government was ready to do it—suppose, then, that a subject of Austria hail deemed his evidence would be of great use to her Majesty in her approaching trial —suppose be had the virtue in a country where virtue was often considered a crime, to wish to quit that coun try, was it to be supposed that be would have the man liness—the gallantry—to come over to England to give his evidence, when he feared that, by the Alieu Act, he might again be sent back, and exposed to the tyranny of the power he had defied: But, to pass over ail these evils, lie might ask, where were the advantages of such a Bill ? It was possible, at least, that it 'night be abused without the knowledge of the Noble Voseount. He looked upon it as a contradiction of the spirit of ail our laws, as subverting the foundation of British jarisprn ammo so entrust arbitrary power to any man, or any set of mess, on the presumption that it would not be abused. Nor did be think that it was any reason, that because an Alien Act was passed in left 4, that an Alien Act should also be passed in ift4o.—(Hear, hear!) The Ilarl of Livenvoot, maintained, that the power existed in the Crown of this country of sending away aliens, but undoubtedly that power was to be exer cised under the responsibility of Ministers, and he allowed it was subject to usediientions by Parliament. The right undoubtedly existed by die non law, of ordering away aliens by proclamation; hut. then re. course should he had to the Courts of Justice to en force the proclamation s if it were disobeyed; and it was became this coarse would be productive of incon venience, that the aid of the present Bill was required. Ile did nut think it nee to vindicate the tiovere. meat from the imputation of being disposed to apply the powers of this Act to a proceeding now pending in this House. As to the elect of the Act upon the the feelings of iisdividnals, he was not to account for them. He did net think, however, that witnesses against her Majesty would have any reason to refer I florer as a landing plare.—(Hear! and laughter.)— He might ask what effect the proceedings it Dover might have the ether cosy, and esisetber they were test Wally to balsam the question of feeling betwenn the wham ea each side. The Noble Earl them dere. mired the attack that had been made by she Pishile Berea epos the tiovenmerat of Malaria. In all her misdeals with this eeknish the conduct of that power 'was peculiarly and Akio country, he ;Sight add, was ander peculiar obligations to Austria. As to its intersal condition, it should be se :that Austria was conirosed carious Statel i dtr i t 1, fro. each other in 1401 s and ,prejudices, sad spar L er them only newty.*ltal. est, hotwitisstanitng I thil !riflery, there 'the not a ceibtry in lrenopt, .or, people ball a strosirs Mtn& tieveraenent, or experiesceel seen peso. happiness t►an in Austria. It was a by principles of the strictest explanation, weed not retract a said with regard to Austria. _ of t►e States alluded to by the RarL . certainly had not the good fortune to meet with the blessings which the Noble Earl had spoken of. Hut since the Noble Earl had so warmly eulogised the honour of Austria, he must presume that (government ►ad last night received payment of the debt owing by Austria to this country.—(HearD Earl l'aaxaavoa spoke against the motion. Lord CALTHORPE thought it unreasonable that any apprehension should be entertained front the visits of foreigners into this country during a period of profound peace; ranch ntore that such apprehensions could be made the gronnigs of a measure which only emergen cies could justify. In his opinion the Huverturrent would be touch more iolvantageously employed in slrikin~ at the root of discontent than in bringing forward measures for the purpose of excluding an in terronrse which. it was supposed, might be prejudicial to the order anal loyalty of the people. He felt it his duty to oppose the motion. Their Lordships then divided, and the nutalwrt were-- • Contents • Non-Contents 111sjority for at. soeondonale4-.... —lO Adjourned at Ralf-pa%t Nine o'cloek. -rear HOUSE OF COMMONS, 'Fusses?, JULY IS. Peliew's Divorce, and the Witnesses in India Bills, were severally read a third time and passed. THE LATE DUKE tW KENT.—Upon the mo tion of the eNAPICILLOS of the Excnaouirn, an ad dress was ordered to he presented to the Kiag, [un its/ his Majesty to appropriate 6,0001. from the Con solidate Funds towards defraying the charges incident to the establishineat of the late Duke of Keot, being a quarter's annuity, due the 3th of April last. His Royal Highness was stated to have died on the fist of January, which was within the quarter. ACC( lUNTA NT-liE.\ ERA L—Mr.C.aras rr said, that having put off his motion relating to the receipts of the Acconntant-Ueneral, on a former night, on ac count of the absence of an lion. Member (Mr.. Court enay), whom he now saw in his place, he• *maid take this opportunity of calling the attention of the House to it, not expecting any 'opposition. The,Accuuntant- General, he observed, had, as the House well knew, not only a stated salary, but also fees, which he shared with his broker. This statement of itself de monstrated the necessity which there existed of bring ing the probable proceeds of the situation under the consideration of the House. His object w•as to give to the AccountantMeneral a fixed salary. With this view . he moved for an account of all sums received on corn missions of brokerage by the Accountant-lieneral, as well as the portion of them which had been divided ! between the Aecountant-General and ail- broker for file last ten years. Mr. COURTZNAY w•as a little surprised that a lien flensan who had filled the Ace for only six months should have been called upon to rrnde► an account of its receipts for the ten years preceding. he House would easily perceive, that they must trust entirely to that Uentleinan himself: there was no other way of coming at any knowledge ..f the profits of the situa tion. Yet he was persuaded there would be no back warkness in the individual to furnish the account, if the House required it, but lie saw no good that could result from it. Indeed he thought it a hardship, as the Accountant-General was not an officer of the Court.: Ile was sure the Accountant-tieneral wonlil have no objection to receiving a stated salary, but he (Mr. C.) (petitioned the policy of such a measure. It was quite clear that a remnneration to him fur the profits he now had should be paid out of sonic fund, and it would eventually be paid by the public. At present the suitors who were heoefitted by his exertions were those who paid him ; this he thought more reasonable than that the public at large should pay, many of whom had no 'merest at all in it. He thought, there fore, the course of remuneration which was at present adopted was the lighter of the two. IVith regard to the accounts, it was unreasonable to demand of the present Accountant• General to furnish any before his own time. Mr. A 'lantana tet e thought, that as the same broker had beets employed for the last ten years, there could be so difficulty now in rendering the accounts of that period up to the present time. Ile also was inclined to doubt the policy of giving a stated salary to the Ac countaat-General in lien of his fees, bet he was per suaded the motion of his Hon. Friend did not at all suppose any impropriety in the conduct of the present Accountant-General in the discharge of the duties of that olive. Mr. CALCRAIT said a few words in reply, and the motion was agreed to. ADJOURNMENT OF Tint HOUSE.—A modes having been made by Lord CASTLILNICAGI4 that the Horse at its rising should adjourn over to Monday next, Mr. CALCKAF r wished to know whether any period beyond Monday had been fixed fora further adjourn ment ? Lord CAOTIAREAO/1 replied, that he had fixed upon Monday, wit► a view of keeping as twat as possible to the day when the other House would rise. This House, in the mean time, would be enabled to wait the proceedings in the House of Lids; and being go vented by them, could fix the date of a %tire adjourn ment with more certainty. However, when the Hill, which was of the last importance, should come before that House, care should be taken to ensure the Mkst attmednace of Members, by having a ea of the whsle Mows. MU BARRACKS.—The Order of the Day for tilt thin( realist( of the Barracks Agreemeut Bill hay -1 big been moved, Kr. LOCICHAIIT said, be had many objections to the peinciple of this 13111, which, though the Bill was now at a lam stage, he world mate to that from the dime eime die activity whisk oast te ammo of the preoa, aided by thel as sreeti force of now MO was tropolis, het be 4* sot disk as width was chic,, lt or moselltaional figinuth " M per tested for yours, to the exclusion of every other system. From the army. elide up as it was at present of sues to whom we owes, es mech. ' he did not fear any ailing for the Mortise of Of 01011- try, bat Ise sprebeatiest pea *sager bath ho the .1 1 10- march and the psepi. from a new reeeof ma, bred up is barracks, and no longer bound by ties of gretitsdP to their conistrymea. The meet eatened eenedtational force would be to wised association of tidings 01 weals}, wbo would fret themselves intiontesed in pre serving order. Shutting mu up within high walls tended to make *eon morose, as was roved by wen conked in masufartories. In most plates abroad there was a military pollee composed of the principal ishabitanto. The Hon. Member thou reamed to the revolutions which had been brought about in Preece aid Spain by the soldiers, and in stroag wen Ogee cited the use of them exclusively as preservers of the peace. He conchided by saying be mid invade the Hoene upon a question which he eonsideied so teat portant. Strangers were then ordered to withdraw, when npon a division, the numbers appeared to be—. . For the Bill Agana it Majority . . . IRISH DIFTiLLERIELS.—upon oar return to the gAllcry we found Mr. C. Hueco/noon speakiegagainst the Rill in progress through the Howe, relating to the Irish Distilleries, the principles of which, he con tended, were contrary to the recommeselatioss of the Hoard of Excise in Ireland. He complained, that the measures of Ministers were calculated to drive Irish spirits entirely out of the English markets. llioisiers had the Report of the Board of Excise in their hands, &nil if they would but produce it, it would prove how hostile that body were to the Bill mow In progress through the Horne. After some more observations. the floe. Member concluded by moving for Copies of the Report of the Board of Excise of Ireland, with their observations urn the proposed Regaatioas upon Irish Distilleries; and else for Copies of the Report wade by Messrs. Doyle and Can, in their inspection of Ireland in the autumn of 1619. The CHANCILLOR of the EXCIMQVIIII said, then. was no such document as the Report of the Board of Ex cise, lot: he had in his hand a letter from the Chief Coniutissiotter Hutchinson, which seemed friendly to the regulations of the Bill. He saw no possible good that could arise from the production of the Report of Messrs. Doyle and Carr, and therefore recommended the Hon. Member to withdraw his motion. If the Hon. Member did not accede to that proposition, he would more the previous question upon it. Mr. CMCNKSTIII complained, that information re garding the spirit trade of Ireland had been always withheld. He wished to know from the Right Hon. Gentleman, when he purposed to carry his Bill thr..ugh the Howie ? The CH•NCLI.LOR of the F . :x(llE4/I;ER SRlel lie mea:it to bring it on again before the adjournment. Mr. CHICIIISIER said, the ►est interests 1)( Ireland were connected with the prosperity of the split trat!,, which this 11111 would entirely destroy. He gave ti tice, that attic Bill should pass, he would move for Con 111 l ittee to inquire into the whole subject, so tb..t the House would be enabled to make souse fixed regula tions, and abandon the vacillating system that had been pursued. General lI.iRT spoke in favour of small stills, th establishment of whirls in Ireland would, he wan per suaileil, serve, among other advantages, to double the produce of the revenue in that country, as they ha t done in Scotland. The tiallsnt Officer also repeated his complaint as to the manner in which still bur♦ were levied in Ireland. Mr. HVTVIIINISON declared, that he was very unwil ling' to interrupt the harmony which had roanienced between himself and the Right Hon. lientleusan upon the subject of the Irish distilleries; but still hr noi.t decline to withdraw the motion, as be was desiroui record his opinion upon the Journals. The motion fur the previous question eras carried without a division. Rt.:STU:I'IO\S UPt IN TRADE.—Mr. WALLA, r, on bring up the Report of the Committee, to ,gel's were referred the several Petitions with regard to r.- strietions upon oar foreign trade, expressed his rep,. that his Bon. Friend, who usually rat upon the other side of the House (Mr. Baring), and by whom a wo't interesting and instructive petition had been presented upon this subject, was not present on this occasion, e•- perially as his absence war caused by a severe domes. tic affliction. The Commithes felt with the Condense,' who subscribed that petition, that any attempt at an immediate remedy fur the notrictions upOi trade must be iosilactuaL But the Committee were fully impressed with the sonndness of the principle, that all restrieflous upon trade were an evil only to be justified by cou.si derations of great political expediency. The tip': great object that engaged the attention of the Com mittee was the Navigation Law, which prohibited the import of any article which was not the producer of a foreign State olden is British shipping, :and in thin law the Committee recommended ammo re fixation. The next object for the consideration of the Committee was the warehousing system, and the Committee felt that this system should be exten.le I as widely as possible, so that aM artkies of for.igs produce, whether in a emeifasturesi or unassombeL tared stase s might be inessell end warshitasal. ex cepting in one cam ' he went that of limo, the grounds upon which those meommesdadooo tested. on the part of the Committee., would lie tipsy stated when the propositions should he made fise carrying them into eireet. The timmittee were peetillorly wrack by an evil which was Iblelliestremely eqbarrassing to trade; he mince the owthiplielty and complexity of ' the laws. They found from a Report made is 11115. that thfro were 10011 kin tiro the imatiect of trade, of Willtb 4 lmirs 1114 1 19.10a , 4110 1,100 la assail word tin NW. whoa ti Wasonsidered, F fat i llt . gliommee ile "W O h a soul!parcationn must since t rifirei Wit by haurest AO if those - - " Ito - in mixed. `such teas resio . vc ttlratli 111thm14 f irtatnOSSlAN;- - inal-,,nte." *ow be the work), where h. pi Hy happsoed. As the meat to their Goveraener rhe might characterize it, find liberty and happine, npost it as one of the / tiorerumeat regulated t tiny that was known la t chain which kept down PuritY• clogged the pursuit of Lord RALLtorn, in urged at the t,ongresses. word of what he hid s. nett this country to the, He had resided in dome € err; he hid rood reason Noble Bari, and he rerta • • tie Holier. He ad- laws, • ship' sid Oa cargo Wore liable. ao he sui of the popolotioa, sod What a resilialiall 0111dehoWi• Owe la tea& must ma the pablis mind * a gyssons reduce? d..sadiesdidissige In that system Koren of &cad,. sired else nrossmry. Rat i the ti n ts to refs necessary n 1 dae toe- 'restria4eet, tittm i ;r2a, wt* hares that rep s army was that force tetat - Sh had' to' bald* *lsles had rant lip 6 I A~ppr ,•'I ; •