The Statesman. — London, England, 1821-05-24 00:00:00

------- --- --------__ or unadvisedly. - Ile submitted, therefore, that in or der to justify 11 chariot! of the law, the earm against it should be irresistible. Now the r ison 111;:ed against the present law was, that it war; inefficient. Died the basis of the reason, as far as it applied t* private forgery. He contended that the laws *gains( the crime were as effectual as they possibly could be.' It was stated also, that the severity of the punish ment created an unwillingness to prosecute. This he admitted, but he denied the itiferene.e attempted ton . . e drawn from it; an d he contended, that hr away the punishment of death, the number of offences would be c elie increased, as "tell ai that of . the prose cutions. The punishment eubstituted by the Bill for that death was transportation. This was scarcely considered a punishment ; 'indeed many 'prisoners bad been known to bow to the judge on his passing sen tence of that punishment upon them. Forgeries were generally committed by persons in em b arr assed cir cumstances. Now what would be the reasoning.f o such a person, if this Bill were to pass ? He would say, " If I accomplish the forgery, and escape, I can gi) to a foreign country ; if I be detected, I can only he transported." He (the Solicitor-General) was sa-' ti.tiell that a change of the law would render offences of this description more numerous. It however had been said that imprisonment and hard labour might be .:tibstituted for death. This specks of punishment Could at present he applied only in certain cases; but the e xpelience afforded by its practice by no means re courageti the idea that it deterred from the commis of ci ime. In foreign countries, he admitted that pritaishments were not so severe as they were in our own ; but it should be recollected that in foreign countries there were greater facilities for doecting crime ; facilit;es which were afforded by the nature of their institetimis. These institutions differed mate rially fruit; ours, and long might they continue differ 4nt l Persons were there couipelled to accuse them i-elves, as they unfortunately were at the bar of that House. 'I hese his observations applied merely to the case of forgery, and lie should trot enter into the questions raised by the other Bill of his Honourable arid Learned Fliend (Sir J. Mackintosh), as he thought the hlentlio7 of these snbjects had a tendency to ronfound them. These bring his opinions on the Lill immediately b-fore the House, he felt it his duty to move, as an amendment, " That Alm House should go into a Committ ee that :lay si% moriths."—(ll;e Hots, and Leagued M _ e nilici sat doon amid very gene- ral cheering.) Mt. F. BUXTON spoke at considerable length in favour of the origin ,l motion. He admitted that the lion. and Learned Solicitor-Beileral had met the question siitb fairness and eandoer, and it was with much pleasure be (Mr. 11.) observed, that there was insurmountable no difference of opinion between thew. The argument of the Hou. and Learned tientleinan was principally that no adequate substitute for the punishment of death had been or could be proposed. He (Mr. Buxton) admitted with the Hon. and Learned tientlenian, that transporta tion ryaa no punishment ; in fact, it was often consider ed as a privilege. But annual riturns were laid before the House stating the success which had attended the petti,linient of offerders by sending them to the hulks. The prevention of crime was admitted to he the test by winch a criminal law should be tried. Now, a century had passed, in which nothing hail been so ex traordinar y ) us the increase of our criminal enactments. The ad s *mates of severity had been allowed every latitude of Ir;islation ; and as we excelled all other nations in se- Yeritv of punishment, we ought to be the mast free fron , r time. But what was so ns had ' In the year 1817 no lie , s than 107,000 t o had passed through the pri sun of this country ; and another melancholy consider ation was, that there were from eight to 10,000 juvenile delinquents at present in the metropolis. These sub sisted by petty pilfering, but as they approached towards manhood their enormity would increase. Another rqually important fact was, that crimes had increased fatir-fold in the last ten years. So that while pr evention 54as admitted to he the o bject of the law, it was clear that crimes had increased under it. He would give a oniparative statement from official returns of the com mitments in England and Frame. France had a popu lation of 29 millions, and a police which detected al most every thing. England had a population of eleven millions, with a police which neglected almost every thing, and yet a lea number of persons were annually Committed in the former than in the latter country. — (dear, bear, liear.)—The system had been tried long rinoulth, aii.l the general increase of crime, under that s y s t e m bad been twenty-fold upon the calculation of our century ; and the irresistible conclusion was that something in the system was wrong. It had been said hat mitigation of punishment had increased the num ber of off-noes ; and the effects of the late Bill for removing the punishment of death for the offence of privately stealing from the person hail been cited in slim) irt of this doctrine. Undoubtedly, the number of convictions for this offence had increased, but the I.umber of other crimes had increased in an equal degree. If, therefore, the lesser punishment sufficed, the greater was, at best, a legal murder. He should here bring two legal experiments under the notice of the House. One was from lenity to rigor, and the other from rigor to lenity. The former was the case of an offence against the Excise, which having b een e riginally punished by fine only, was now mad a felony. Mr. Carr, the Solicitor to the Excise, a most respectable inan,liad been examined by the Committee, and he distinctly stated, that in his opinion, that the change of the law was a change for tl,e worse. He stated that the crime had not abated, hot the prosecu tions bad decreased in number one half, and of the persons prosecuted, only a third had been convicted. The other legal experiment was this. In 1807, the persons connected with the Linen Bleachiag Grounds had complained by petition that the severity of the law against depredations upon their property h ed thad in at cr e a sed the dumber of o f f ences, and they pray the punishment might be mitigated; it was accordingly mitigated, and the offences bad decreased in number from thirty-eight to thine in an equal number of years preceding and subsequent to the mitigation Act. As the Honourable and Learned Gentleman opposite (the Solicitor-General) had omitted the topic of lar ceny, he would follow him in that respect, and also exclude that branch from his consideration. The next subject to which, in the course of the question he mast advert, was the crime of forgery. The Hon. and Learned Gentleman opposite said that it was not till the reign of George the Second that this offence was visited with the punishment of death. Ever since that fatal comeardcement we had gone on consigning so many victims to the gallows, as could not fail to re- Lest MI out laws a character of brutality which they hod serer assumed before, and that not because the law answered the end of its adoption, but because it did not. The eaperisest bad been tried both ways. _ by , the two had been seen, and be would pt by side, and call upon the House - to judge, challeor ing whosoever might happen to bans him, without restriction as to period or country, to produce any one remarkable instasice of the rarity of crime consistent with the severity of punishments. He should content himself with borrorving the aid of one or two facts from the history of England hearing on this point. In the reign of Henry VIII. which. if remarkable for an abundance of crime, no one well , ' say was noted fur the mildness of its laws, no less. than 720100 suffered the punishment of death, principally for robberies, which number was exclusive of religious culprits, and made an average of six executions a day, Sundays in cluded, for every day in his reign. The Hon. Member next adverted to the reign of Queen Elizabeth, to chew that the usual severity of the preceding reign had caused no diminution of crime. He also read an Ad dress of that Sovereign to her Parliament, reproving them for the non-execution of the laws, which she complained were not administered with sidficient ri gour, although she sent to the scaffold 5011 annually. It was recorded of Alfred the 1 ;rem, that when he came to the Throne be abolished almost all the penal laws, and all they knew of the effect of that was, that the historians of that time said, that at the conelnsion of his reign a child might calk from one end nf the king dom to the other with a purse of gold about i•ir tierk, without danger to the child or the purse. The elt• aniples of similar results were abundant in the history of the world. The liberal coils of criminal law which ex isted in most of the States of America was borrowed from the State of Pensylvania, which set the first examples of punishing none hut the crime of murder with death. On that occasion all the great judicial charartets ex pressed their decided hostility to the proposed altera tion ; and it was remar!:able that in the course of the experiment the whole of the Juries reversed their opi nions, and had the magnanimity to acknowledge that the effect of the change had surpassed their utmost ex pectations. Another instance equally in favour of his argument was on record in the neighbouring state of New York, where a number of horse dealers peti tioned the Legislature, praying than to make horse stealing punishable with death, who, sol'ic years after the offence having been made capital, a second time pe titioned to have the penalty committed, as the only means of protecting them under the enormous increase of the crime. All he asked was, had the infliction of this severe penalty answered the end it was intended to produce? Experience proclaimed that it had nut. In England crimes hail increas , d, either as compared with other countries io the same time, or as compared with herself in f ruler times. But what were the crimes that had chiefly increased ? %Vas it those which were capital in this country in common with all others: No—those of that devription had greatly decreased it was that species of minor felony which was capital in this country, hut in no other, and which was not capitally punished in former times in England ! With in the last century, their number hail increased almost in a quadruple ratio. It was remarkable, that in the course of last year, 4410 persons were condemned to death under the Statutes enacted in the last century, 'luring which period each year hail produced a new capital crime. All of these were passed tab ail. wit) ; and if they were to ;isle oho were the Solon" and the Lycurgi of our Criminal Law, no one could tell them. They were certain anonymous legislators, whom no body knew, but whose quality could only be guessed by the grammar of tit-ir productions. Of the old coin 'non law it had been said by Lord Coke, that they never left the Common law of England, and slid it with impunity. The principl..s for t hich he contend ed were in the true spirit of that common law, and mi l e ► criminal !awe were nut. It was, perhaps, more ne cessary in England than in any other county, that popular opinion shonlil eii along with the law of the land. The people were so interwoven with the law, in the shape of jurors , p rosecutors, and w it n esses, that' their ap i irobation could scarcely he dispensed with; the people of England had a strong feeling of justice, and under the too writ substitution far popular appro. nation, it was impossible to eet the people will ingly to prosecute, to give evi knee, or to assist in the detection awl apprehension of culpvits; the rea son was, that it was at variaoce w;ili all fairness and justice. Did they expect the just 111311 to assist in their administration ? lie could not, so lime as he knew that the $0111 1 • pittlishitient was aw i-iletl for unequal of fences. Did they expect to have fly! ;.i.l of the mer ciful man ? The laws were too severe, and he would not prosecute by them. The same scruples would re strain the religions man. So that it was clear the laws of the land ought to he congenial with the feel ings of the p ople. They once were so in this coun try; but that had passed away, and daring the last century they had made rapid strides apart, and now there was a wide distance between. During that pe riod the people had made rapid strides towards all that could tend to humanize mankind, and during the same period the law had contracted a ferocity it had never before possessed, and then it was expected that a merciful people were to execute an unmerciful law. The Hon. Member entered into a vindication of the re port of the Committee on the Criminal Laws, and spewed, by the evidence given in that Committee, that the execution of the law was shackled by its severity — all the witnesses expressing their disapprobation of capital pnnishments, for such small offences, and all being possessed with the conviction, that the fero city of the law was the feebleness of the law. :dr. Harmer, who had been admitted to the secrets of two thousand criminals, was decidedly of opinion , that the severity of the law defeats itself.— But all that he had hitherto urged against the existi: ing code of Criminal Laws was feeble, compared with its tendency to make Jurymen guilty of perjury. He would take but one crime—the crime of larceny in dwelling-houses, 'which became capital if to a value of above forty shillings, and five shillings in a shop.— The Hon. Member then proceeded to read from a pa per reports of several trials at the Old Bliley for arti cles of considerable value stolen, and on which the parties were found guilty of stealing to the value of 10d., 4s. 10d., or 395., being much less than the real value of the articles. In one case of this nature the Judge addressed the prisoner as follows :—` 4 The of fence, prisoner, of which you have hem found guilty, is, by the mercy of the Jury, of a less heinous nature than you have committed. If they had gone to the extent of the evidence, I should have to pass the 'ou tline of death upon you.; but as it is, you are to be for a month." Tie Honourable r cases in which prisoners who had to the amount of fifty-pounds were found' guilty ih one case of stealing to the value of ten-pence, in another 4s. lOti, and another 395. If any Gentleman would get up sifter this and say, that'there was no perjury in these cases, he must solve one difficulty', which was, bow a 510. Bank of England note conid he worth lOd._ in.; nue place, 4s. 10d, in an other, and 395. in another, and yet in every other part of the globe be worth 50/. He had ex , tracted t2OO cases of that kind, and they Might be wa de 2 ,00). )t) that in the case of one crime in one court only of the Empire, he found 120(1 instances, which he pledger k faimself . inight be made 1 . 2000, and i each of them in lying the perjury of twelve men. When it was considered that no man in that House held any thill but on the fidelity of a Juryman's oath, it was dreadful to contemplate this picture with; out apprehension. When they looked at the prisons of the country—those manufactories fur crimes, it most be obvious that the law grew what it punished — created the wrongs it avenged. The Police uas disgrace, and he hoped Isis Majesty's Guvernment would see it in that light, and take proper steps to reform it. What from hanging their faith entirely upon the hangman, they forgot their first duty, which was the prevention of crime in its outset. It was the swarms of youthful delinquents that mostly exacted the vigilance of the Police, and it was their inattention in that respect that operated as a . teniptation, and acted as A snare to catch new victims. Where wasth.. halt of the institutions of this country. whilst these glasimil.; evils existed ? There was one passage in Lord Coke's works, which, considering who hued Coke was, and consider ing that he had never been very remarkable for lin ineuity, would, be thought have some weight• with the Wiese Ilis words were.theae—" How lamentable a sight is it to behold so many Ch.-istian Well and wo iiiPli tangled at that accursed tree, the gallows. if a man could see collected togettier in one field all who buffered in a year, the afflicting sight would make his heart bleed to pity and compassion." 'the inference width he drew from these reflections was this :—" The consideration of a preventive police is worthy the at teetion of Parliament, and blessed he who may lay the first stone of the work—more blessed lie who shall continue it—auil most blessed of all he who shall com plete it to the beiselit of his couniry and the glory Lo of (Ilear, Isear.)This hail been said by rd Coke 200 years ago, but still lie was sorry to say that the first stone of tl s s; rest work remained to be laid. He then re-stated his objections t 6 the present system, condennod the penal code as affording impunity to crime, and holding out the most tr. mentions induce ments to perjury. It was supported by the names of Mr. Wyndham and Dr. Paley, but it was opposed h: a long list of practical men—all rape ience was against it, and he might add, that it wses distinctly at variance with the spirit of the Christian religion, which teaches, that " we should not desire the death of a sinner, but rather that he should repent of his iniquities and live."—(Hear, hear.) Mr. BRIGHT was little friendly to the she !ding of blood, but lie thought the House ought not to buster itself to be led away by theory or by the magnificent disquisition which they had heard on the criminal laws. Ile could not consent to give up capital pm nisliments in cases of forgery. In the present state of society, this could not be done with any regard to the security of property. Ile showed that forgery was not a crime that was committed like many lar cenies under the immediate pressure of want, and the offence was often repeated many times by the same in dividuals. It was clearly shown in the inquimies which had taken place, that transportation was i:4 many instances no longer regarded as a punishment, yet this was propoeesi to be substituted for death in cases of forgery. It was true that niany Bankers and others (and among them an Hun. Member of that House). had refused to prosecute for forgery ; but it was also true, that me. chants and traders and others, feeling the importance of bringing such offenders to jus ice, hal formed themselves into assoeiations to pro secute. This was known. yet no member of those as sociations had been called before the Committee. lie °old not say that the course taken in the time of Queen Elisabeth, that of repressing crime by increased sevemity of punishment ought now to he resorted to ; j but this lie would s sy, that before they removed a great security for property, like the punishment of &alb in cases of furzery, they ought to have stronger eeiaenee bef..re them than that on which the Repuit of the Committee had been founded. \I.. It. M L ARTIN cuatentled that the Petitions on the table proved the tense of the country to be against the existing cosle of laws,. and spoke in favour uf tim e e motion. When he sat down, strangers were ordere to withdraw, but before the gallery was cleared, Mr. J. SMITH would not on this occasion, but for an allusion made to him, have addressed the House after the speech which had been made by an lion. Gentleman (the Member fur Weymouth.) He had declined in one case prosecuting an individual, because, if found guilty, he knew that the punishment would be death. The of fender was hat 16 years of age. and his youth and other circumstances made that impression on him, that it would have inflicted real misery had he been compelled to prosecute him to conviction. lie had known forge ries committed by the most ignorant, the must helpless, and the most artfess of men. A few weeks ago the case of a loan was bewitch' before the public for uttering forged notes, lie had been inslnceil to interfere in his be half; and Lord Sidenouth, wills that humanity which always distinguished his conduct, had inquired into the circumstances of the case, and the life of the individual was spared. The unfortunate nian, it appeared, was an Irishman ; he had come over to this country to make hay, and had been employed to circulate forged one pound notes, receiving five shillings for each lie put off. lie (Mr. J. Smith) had had some eonversation with this person. It•was on the Saturday preceding the Tuesday on which he was to have been executed that he saw him, and he found the man so ignorant, that though be conversed with him for some time, he could not coo. vince him that there was any thing wrong in that fur which he was sentenced to die. He bad expected, rom', the great talents of the Hon. Gentleman who had ( just spoken, that be would have entered into the argument% of his Hon. Friend. He c ould have wished to bear the Hon. Gentleman apply himself to that part of his Hon. Friend's argument, which assumed that the present sys tem encouraged perjury. He was confident that it had that effect; and this was one evil resulting from the se verity of the law, which ought to be remedied. • Dr. LUSHINOTON rose and argued that severity of punishment bad not the effect of preventing - crime. In the Court in which he use connected, in the count. of tile . "l4lt Ojettre, :ree will. had b een f„ m t, an 4 the same number of il y t wp s h , di u .o i , ti i : at i:a s. tli 5b..4 with b st e a e n n ee fel t o h n a i t o t u h s e l y o (l if e: n i ce w e t s i ana, .p ewir i o d n; t t‘tvehisic j itit a l t io a s s u t c r i e l l i tt i,, ly hm ce e i n ai t ni c i o t u te l e d i a 4 b : ent t h P a h e etwo e e ka i n hri t i l b i e l d n e d i : , 4 l , : : . B.l s weigt i tv .: ;,, ..i td. f k o e r d , f W r :I: m y a i r l r ll ia t g At e e away the punishm en t aS d w e a a s th as registers ? Why that was all c rime. it:ll.llebcet had never one nev e c r as k e nn o ‘ f v not name the parties) and in that our no proseceti ae had been instituted. Severi t y of punishment, b e ~t satisfied, front all he hail seen, did not prevent their. c rease of crime, as some individuals were incli ne d e ' s believe it did. F.igliteenyears ago there was • 4 cu t 0 a boy passing by the Old •Bailey at the time a man was being executed for fo gory. Up to thanks the boy, who was a merchant's clerk , had borne highest character for honesty ; but inquirthe W a l e crime the man had suffered, and being tole th a t was for forgery, he went home and committed &me et , that very day. so little did the punishment which ji• lead witnessed have upon hint. For that forgery the ie e • was tried and convicted. Great interest was made f hint, and his life was saved on its being stated by to Ordinary of New:rate, that the culprit was unit t take the Communion, and consequently unfit to suff, The Honourable Member for Galway had seated case in which he had decli ecd prosecuting a permit'. pitally eho had forged on him, but wished ;inutile course to' he taken with the party. 'lbis We course usually taken in Ireland ; and 1% hat me the feeling of the country wilt resp....t to the when such had become the general practie 1., und, sanction of the Judges? In the course of thee week a case had occurred in whie h the peeson upon had declared it to be his intentiou to prosece the Offender for embezzling, and in that way suit to any expense to bring him to justice, theme,. wrsulil not take leis life away. Ile (Or. Lusitiogion bad in one instance done the same. Ile had dills prosecutine a person win had forged on him isdisidual n had known the .greatest vicissitudes bad been a common pickpocket, but had at • tained an honest, though humble situation, (I was rather singttlar) in a Court of Justice. tired other instances where offenders had through reluctance to punish capitally. lie proved of the punislinsent of death in cases of as it was irremediable, and both Judges and were liable to lee deceived. lust 1111:0 1 of this cetera at Chester, at Stadord, and at Ilerhat in the last three years, wheat. per. ele le ed I for execution who teal been subsequently pro , perfectly innocent. He then complained of ceptacles which were open for thi yes in del polis. which he regard, d as disgraceful to the He had visited one of these, and aver pa•sliek a very long passaee in total darkness, lee steered room, in which were from twenty to thirty Ile lead inquired if there was one among I did not live by robbery? They all avowed lived by dep.eela.ions on the public ; and he of the succeeding four months three of them their lives to the violated laws of their couutry. house in at hich they met had since been shot time nuisance was not removed, as another is . neighbourhood had been opened for the l etelfiea the characters he had described. He coedited, commending it to the House to endeavour clime by securing an active police and well jails, and by taking such other measures as necessary. The subject demanded the most attention of the House, and he hoped the country would be so amended as to make with the feelings of tier country. Mr. NOLAN thought this was not the cussing the state of the Police. That better entered upon when the Report of mittee came before the House. It was ag, whether that punishment should be whittles\ crime of forget y, which for ages had been the must appropriate. His Hon. and hail mentioned an instance in which furl punished. It was likely a person who reco% party should not wish to punish. Another had been stated of a person seeing forgery comusitted, went house and forged last must been a case of insanity. With forger of Bank of England notes, lie was vial from unquestionable authority, that much Winn of forged notes was attrihntable to Mewls by the Bank, in allowing offenders miter offence. There was one charge of • tore that he could not pas s it over, namel that Jurors were guilty of perjury, and from the sin of perjury, they were to make in the laws. On a charge of that trine' himself able to form an opinion, and he he hail never seen at the Old liailey at part of the Jury which could warrant The llon.and Learned Member said, he the amendment of the Solicitor-General . simple ground, that death was the proper for forgery on the Bank of England, forgeries. Mr. C. W. WYNNE concurred in front his Hon. and Learned Friend %rho one, namely, that those who supported tnent were bound to prove the necessity beat the greatest necessity and the saf could justify taking human life. The benefit of Clergy, and wisely adopted meta rather than capital punialtment , following that examp le had made the gery on the Bank subj ect to poodiehmend The second offence was to be potnisited case of private forgeries, and, the forgeries casioned in his mind some doubt. That Member declared h is intention to role oug ht, perhaps, the Committee. 1,117, h u e nd d e is r t u p all hacind Mr. COURTENA Y, helm the .'h e ej i r a few s eating n ti s :c i a a t t t t e re i o o n i f wtoißfi time I d p i r e t b r i i r ( iotceu o f min r a h eutld give. been made ' tended that every effort had . rat satisfaction, in their idevestigat ('lined d del tshtlePP;roceedt the i i n l i i r l s i def T tl i t i e e e lk etrin t r ita:te An objection bad been made to the F MNlriMaii ll . ll ” . l.u mul • 'tt‘ \,\ il. 4 1 . I^ 4. 111111 STATEfiiMANi to repress crime he tip utmost rigour, and to check sent to grideseell its increase by s system of leniency. The testtlts of Nletobor cited utile . -____ t... Ar...., (non and he would place them hi de %mien Bank notes -- .61_ why di .Lesresd tbe rabilmig wur . se. c.it the for!' tnrartfillt t Marque' r to ill. House bed easociable • I ol the V 'loth W' ai I!1 'DI NOS forge ' U itter i tLl ;l ": l l : gi ", l iii .ei t %dr c : ra i ls ; l i u : Rt6 t : 's -'. t i nt i i, , , :t : c l us t e i f i l o i o : i n t : t i n : m.l I . e t e r a c w i t al l , .. ,. L i h i e ha p t e x t v : l on . t f o ur , er a, joNtice, tlitorzh h• ...„ etas* the I portable or at.swer the respect to mitsdful, b **best g" short 'loth time ago t condary p (Dr.L ' • übniogton) 'don was I . lie had des lined • gone out on tin him. Th punish me .t ... . lt v.LiNsitatles; he could be I at bed at tut ob. hat it sal situation, (the fur daffy pun rf Justice. lie a s . w hether ' *air an' Utally. Ile di" for trans in cases o f fog*, .. VD punii Judges and Jew., sent, it inces of this had a r i:i.illi a 'irivd t. i': • lie t llart • F•s f ili : sllll l ll;?:ls‘ t hl' o raid:l:(l2 i ll i llaseslduwes e ea'thellilli p: lir forg uitl lazed th not this said thi punish' support afrer pa .si lig thumb won ould mess, lie mitered de tito as the!" v to thirty roles tie among them Tin the. all avotrid that the men ilk ; and iu the coin . made lime of them farfeitek aunod of their couutry. The reeled ice been shut op , int appeal mitten Still di the co ‘l :ll h ii s i . d a i ele a . ot i l e e s t efi seit ' o o d T : da p a e r w 9 n ei nio m ha n:lla t ao d ra oe a rt i v tstt tlit t t e k be e: o sw ts c e u sei r fu : i tl:ettr t t i eb il g l o ss thij cl h io ta l ec t e is he e :::: 6 t t P je ed e e's cesis.4 " : Bll' o s afe 'l l l Sir right speak Tt be w wit.; Y. that Al refs title lk rigl g i t ' i d t ' , e : ulbs.ti• be i . lih i s e C nlVa t t e d l : i t A i n f iLe n t l i b ee n o f r Ba g t r th w e h nr e r net er y gl c a I ( ree fea cif ii oss i t le coal S Ho hat ,oit who recovered b lsp fai nip the thr lie and forged a lso. Tv Al i ty . With regard la to th tes, lie was enahled win . ' t W ell :y, that much of the ci H rilmtable to the indel • th og• otTentiers to pleat* , C re charge of so wino' ls over, namely, the elii , , i a c rjury, and to moon!' w ere to make an alb , A 1 f that kind lie eosek i I lion, slid he could Ai° ; 1 )111 Valley any thi n g' s* 1 d warrant the stateliest" licr said, he aheekl rote h., tor-General on the short 1 wa s the proper punisbni'l England, as well al prin -! i ncurred in what bal NO Friend who spoke last, ' in supported capital pine the necessity a it. Nadi.. and the safety of the tie , n life. The ancient law r ply adopted secondary ?gni.; puniThment. The Coattail id made the first crime el l'• to punishment less than be poini.lied with death. Do and the forgeries or ya . r t doubt. That Oats of 'nevi:rhea in the Bill by c'' all the eircounstances, the Ho iteration to role for 006 ''' • . ha vi n z been one of the Co erring a few word, jar* hoold give. Looking to rb i rt on the sub j ect, he se 111. The lieeourable )114 1 V re of the Committee, sai 0 had been mad e to E ire fo r l 'o i r i a d i o elvteo st :h g e at c io u n ni o ni f i tio ne : 44l o 4 1 6 tO I 6rettt