The Statesman. — London, England, 1819-06-24 00:00:00

pNIMPP' ' L the former ireorectionstif theComenitiele ; and after eg • pressing ono illiegness to report the individual'. name, es nee ef the'e who had not so reported, it stria ..tt In request that Bur communication might be immedi ately foroarded," directed as shove," rise to Henry Ilintraham. Erg. ehateasin.—[lleart± It was neces. ler) for Mtn to notice a letter which had proceeded from dor same Hoe. Gentleman, and from, no , to are a stronger teem than be meant to do, the sum. Inadvertency. It might, he thought, have been touched in hotter terms. (The Right Hon. Gentle. man then read the commencement of the letter, which was in substance as ful:ows:) " it el Sir,—lt will be tenderise a very essential service to the en quiries new carrying on by the Committee for the erlueelion of the poor," Ice. It might have been pre mansed, therefore, that such enquiries were carryiee on by authority of Parliament. But what he bad must to complain of swat, that this letter was also sent as from the House of Commons, and freaked by Mr. Freeling. It was leading those to whom it was addressed to think that theta was an obligation ea them to answer it, and in the way reqeired.— I. the letter addressed by the lion. Gentleman to bit lamented Friend Sir Seaml Romilly, there eta on allusion to his (Mr. Brougham's) conduct as Chair man of that Committee, in which the powers of the Committee were greatly overrated. le it the Hon. Gentlest's. had declared, that he wet so studiously determined to arid all irnpetstion in record to the erraordinary affair of St. Bee's school, that be ap peared at the Wintrnorktill Election resolved upon refusing all applications for access to the evidence towelling that siagutar basins's. So far from over rating the justness of that determinstion, the lion. Geolleman ohneld know that he "ottani have been grossly forgetting his duty, if be had permitted the intenseness to he used et all for priests purposes; bat mach more so, if for electioneeriog purposes he bad been induced to glee such permission. As to the letter. in question, be was most salines that this op portunity should not go by without his 'sleds% his protest most decidedly against them. Mr. BROUGHAM said, that after the question of the third reeding of the Bill before the House should hove been disposed of, it was his 'rogation t r more 'bet the Reports of the Committee of Education of last Session be referred to a Committer. If he did writ answer the charge which had just been made against him by the Honourable Member for Oaferd, he knew well drat be shoald be attacked with such espressioas as " Oh ! you did not like his speech; it get to the bone; there was something of evidence io it ; and then—" he is a matt of business; it was not mere college declamation; he read chapter and verse. end names and dates." Certainly, it was not jest then in his nen power to refer to these volemi ones notes, the object of the Right linueorable Gentleman's constant study and daily cure; which he hail pored over by day, and spots which he had wasted his midnight oil. The Hight lion. Gentlemen bad charged him with an offence, which be bad vi ailed with what, no doubt, he considered as an equi. Talent puttishaseet—the weight of his severest cen sure—a censuredelivered Molest as if it had proceed• ed from the chair, end which, he mist say, would hare been almost as forcible if it had so fallen from the chair. The lion. Geodesists then proceeded to reply to the several parts of the Right lion. Gentle mee's speech in detail, pledging himself open each point to prat• the' he watright, that the Committee was right, and that the Rt. lion. Gent. himself was • tong. The Right Hon. Gentlemen had manifested the ut most astonishmeot that a Committee, whose enquiries were to respect the edecation of the peer, should think of cellist* before them the Masters of West. 11111brrf and the Charier-litmus schools. Bet what had become of all this surprise and amusement in i 1816 ? Why, It was rather for him (Mr. Brougher) to raise op his bawds and eyes in astooishasent, that ll.e Right Ilse. Gentleman's wonder had net been tue n e d before. Would this not furnish sufficient food for those who delighted in growler ? Bet if the Right Iles. Gewtleswasi hod been presess:ed in 1816 from knowing what the Committee had done, where was he in 1817 is The sobject had been matter of very rowel coorersetion in 1818; bet if he had shot his ears then, torrid he not believe his mere faithful eyes in 1817, when the Report was printed? The lien. Member fur Liverpool (Mr. Canning) came forward and made some mod lithely, most candid. most fair sail honest obeenvations on what he thought had been an exceedieg of their powers.-- Ile !hen went en to show, that as to the formation of the Committee, by far the greater proportion, ea elusive of the *eat fel Members, were those who were accustomed to vote with Ministers. That of the original number of 21, at least 16 were of that class of Members; sad as for the five others, they were the Horan' of the Committee. (Mr. Peel reminded the lion. Gent. Wets the table that there were only three Hewn.) The Hon. Gent. repined. He was quite aware of that, end was only applying their cha racter, sot their number, to those five Members. He certainly did set mistake the number of the (Lorain ; for, in the absence isf other information, all frequent ers of the Opera might obtain that kilo. ledge there. II ad It bees thought that the Gentlemen appointed on that Committee were net competent to conduct the enquiry, the names of others might hate been added ; the Right Hooeurable Gentleman might have pro. posed himself or as many of his friends as he chose Bet no ; although he had heard that Orford was menaced, Cambridge invaded, sod the school attack ed, yet he remained inactive; although his own obna 'water was in danger, he found no fault, he made no million. till the end of the present Session, having left the Flown, as be called the City Mem bers, to resist the inroads which the Committee were risking. Assn investigation was to be made into the schools .1 the Metropolis it was necessary to appoint souse of the City Members. Mr. Alderman Comic had been then usable to attend, sad was nut things's.. nominated. They were mottoes to enquire into a free school et Pocklinetoo,in Yorkshire, and on 'oriel?, it was found that the/flatter of St. John's College,Cans bridge, was the visiter of ibis establishment, and that he lad recently visited it. The Committee therefore preferred examining this Gentleman at once, for the purpose of bearing the resell of his visit, as well as of enquiring into the nature of the establishment it • self. The Committee, of which he was Chairman, 'eat *gamine they Gentleman; bet that it. eat treas on necourtveststy,le (Mr. Brenham) positively detrital, es far as Lis recollection mien THE STATESMAN. In reply S. th► remarks which had been mad.• on the publication of the Statutes, the Hon. and Leashed Member stated it to base been done in compliance with the unanimous opinion of the Committee; but of the marginal nowt he declared, and he was con vinced that these who knew him would believe his declaration, that he was totally ignorant till he had heard them mentioned that night by the Hight lion. Gentleman. The nest point of the Hight Ilon.Gen. tleman's speech to which be should advert, was that in which be charger! the Committee with consi. suing to set when, according to the forms and usage of Parliament, their labours ought to heti ceased. Se far was it from being the case, that the powers of the Committee necessarily terminated with the See. slots of Parliament, that he would give up his de freest end plead guilty to the rharge of the Hight llonograble Gentleman, if he did not make it ap pear that the course purled by the Education Com mittee on that occasion was precisely that which was adopted at the termination of every Session of Par liament, whether by dissolution or by prorogation. The question could not admit of a doubt. Take the Hon. Gent.'s plan—adopt his new law of Parliament —let the close of each Session pot a atop to the com pletion of that etarniteation in which Committees of' that (louse have been engaged, and the result would be, that not one tittle of that information which the House required could by possibility be pre. pored, omit at length such a lIMI of papers would be thrown upon its consideration as actually to overwhelm them. Ile nest proceeded to the charge of his having written within the present Session • letter to the parochial Clergy. It was not • letter written under inadvertence ; the object was to ob tain the most mingle detail of the state of education throughout the while island. Ile had given the pa rochial working Clergy, whose conduct through the whole of the enquiry was above his praise, though he still begged of them to accept it, as to the nagibee of fends of the endowed schools, and he was *maim to dram from the same source the need ed information relative to the enendevo-cd schools. He thought be had framed that letter in such a man. wee as to preclude the possibility of misipprehen lien. The terms of it were, " If you can conve niently inform me ;" and sorely it was clear to the meet ordinary apprehension that this language was used in his indiehleal capacity, and not in his of character of Chairman of the Committee. Much less could it have been misunderstood when compared with the circular of the former year, for the terms of the two were widely different. The temper of that circular was to this elect—" Vow are required to retu►n answers to these questions."— Bet it was said, that clergymen were not obliged to mod answers to these questions, although, if same. Boned, there were obliged to attend the Committee. Ile was aware of Ibis, and it was to save them the trouble of personal attendance, that he sent the cir cular. The lion. and Learned Gentleman then pro. needed to state, that no political use had been made of the Minster of Evidence taken before the Corn. mittee. So guarded had be been en this point, that in the case of St. Bee's school, he bed denied three per sons who were likely to make such a use of it access either to the minutes or to his own privets notes, •lthoogh he had known repeated instances in which hotel of evidence had been Oen to private persons. lie had not intentionally omitted to answer any oea I count of the charge; but if he had done so throegh accident, audit the omission were pointed out to him, he should oat fail to take the first opportunity of vind!citing himself.—plear, hear ! from Mc Opp°. affirm.] A MEMBER of the Committee (chose earns we could not learn) said, that in the course of the in vestigation before the Committee, he had narrowly observed the conduct of the Chairman, end bad uni formly found it correct, polite, and proper. Mr. V. FITZGERALD complained that the Hon. and Learned Gentlemen had made what was perhaps intended to be an ezeelpation of himself the opsoltere of invective against his Right lien. Friend (Mr. Peel). As to the complaiut of the lion. and Learned Gentleman, that he was dot prepared for such a charge, it ales only necessity to say, that if his Right Hon. Friend was disposed, as every lion. Member had a 601, to remark on the mindere of the Committee, be was not bound to give notice of his intention to every Member of that Committee. — He hoped he should not be 'weaved of want of can. door. in going en with his remarks in the a b sence of the lion. and Lossinl Gentleman (Mr. Broogliem had left the Howse). The lion. Member proceeded at considerable length in support of the statements made by Mr. Peel, and in reply to the esplanatioos offered by Mr. Briseghaon. Mr. F. DOUGLAS, es a Member of the Com- mitten of Education, bore testimony to the truth •Ini accuracy of what his Hen. and Learned Friend had stated. Ile would say of his Ilan. and Learned Friend, that be was • most moderate, a most active, a most temperate, and a most impartial Chairman. Lord CASTLEREAGH would advert bet very shortly to the conduct of the lion. and Learned Gentleman with respect to this question. The Hon. and Learned Gentleman bad represeeted Ministers as using their omelet efforts to screen offences and to beset. He load attempted to carer Parlia ment with the odium of conniving at peculation, be cease it had supposed charities to be chargeable only with tite imperfections which marked the management of al'. property. Yet, now it appeared that the Report of the Commissionera had Willed all the impede tions.of the lion.and Learned Gent.—[!leer, /sear !] With respect to a particular part 0 11, n‘asely, with respect to the went of the Co e n, he teeny believed that the money required fleg the ob jowls proposed, would be, in point of economy, well hid out, in older to obtain • security that charities were properly conducted. Ile wished to prevent the 1 indulgence of such a &lesiva milieu as that the 1 money used by Hsi, enquiry would go to per the espenceo of the Commiosion. The enqeiry might W espected to continue for nine or ten )ears, bet the ',suit would h. a confidence that charities were pro perly managed. The whole of the Commission was rattier in aid of the Court of Chancery. With respect to the c hole of this Bill, be abode by the former recommendation of the Honourable and Learn ed Gentleman, and so lie hoped, would the linos,. Mr. PEEL rose, amid cries of " spoke, sp.ilse," anti said, that as he rests to vindicate himself, he tilted for the it.dalgcnce et' the House. The MM. Ir POLICE. and loused Goodman had given notice of a motion which be had waisted.. Mr. JOHN SMITH rose to order. q ornon4u..-0.1 Wednesday a bey. named Cepeeer. wee Mr. BROUGHAM esplained, as to hie intention :rug:d m :at r t ° ,. l . l • ll l l ag i g "brj . —l4 ""l s lieri ej li t 7 toot of couclodiwg with • motion. lie had not made that tic par with Ler brother, r a ps Whim, In reeee si J e es:s W iff• I: e ltb. la n motiou. , die or toddenit *eon: upon bee, struck her a violist 1.4 CASTLEREAGH 'lmpaled, that th e ~.d.: blow so z re ci....... ; j er ichx......d.... her, H abl e . 11 " r I . ': re i l i g li i : log of the Bill • third time would remove the dill. bi. light Wert swag the neekt,ce, where it e a t s sete sot besotted. culls as to she point of order. I lie tried se ewer p slilppiag Is mad est of a stand ..f beck eelTbs SPEAKER stated his reasons for not having ; ~,,,,,e . ii ., warns tiliwigth bears h T red ebac a ' s ...d s f ad , " 4 0 .. 0 ur. 1 "7.' ..1 :bete matter called to order, and put the qoestion that the , diate puaisloweat pointed oat Ike spot ohne be bad 'brow% the necklace. and where is was farad. lbe Primer had berm Bill be read a third time. I a chhase)-sw rep, but rag away from his ,ester.—Fatly now. The question was agreed to, sod the Bill was read m ow, 14 1 , : o . thec Saa t iiir .rier as f a ult les s commmoihetredp,mforperlsterry of M r. imks evartere aro,, and ec a third time. Mr. BROUGHAM brought up a clause to ',able the Commissioners tort elect Riven to the lineations I Marron sainsex.—A few minutes Wore Mee o'clock MI may have been !""^daY •"'"`K. she INigiami""Tl of reffP•ocloace of founders where their instructions Gray's Ina lase, wa. throw., moue stale et alarm tram the cries deficient. et murder, from the lieele • f P. Illorpby, a labourer residing ia Mr. PEEL replied to the charges brought against shat street. T. Eiooisi. a neighbour. wowed is to a.certata him. themes,. ahem Murphy. who bad M. wife swim him is Me M r. BROUGHAM re t r ained. wrong', and whom he appeuted lo be strangling, kit bey. and neighs( • ease liege. made teveral oat,' al l'its•em, nod hamlet( Mr. PEEL read an retract from the Statutes of many serer, woluds in his side cad thighs; but ,be lade be.og Eton College, from which be inferred that the Fri. ViuldmP:rimeittdo;dprrs:lasseitialtZ of sirotrelikbeeZhamiTall.--- lows were bound not to priul them for the perusal a bite, and Morph, drew tae Wads Wesel his wad, ad acs i rly strangers. cat or Iwo at Vi 01146 1 .5 finer.. odors remiss is, be Wall Mr. BROUGHAM was still quite at i s sue with wiz"' g b""lit Is this site, a " d " oil y cnialuil " 4l * the Right lion. Grudges's. Mr. lipid* was a Fel. low of King's College, Cembridge, and not, es be had represented him to be, a Fellow of Eton. Mr. WILBERFORCE chimed the privilege, which he had always ranched during the 43 years which be had been a Member of that How of es. serving his opinions with the utmost frechas sad sincerity. lie must say there was nothing which sp. ;rested to him to have justified the Right ilessourable Gentleman, in not giving the House the previous Iwo. , touristic', which woes in his power, upon this subject. But he must be allowed to state, that no man in the world was less capable of coedecting en esaminailen with severity than his Hen. Friend, Mr. ilshington, oho hail been upon that Committee. Ile would co.. refs that his Learned sod Honourable Friend, Mr. Brougham, might conduct it with a certain degree of professional, mod, if he aright be allowed the word, inquisitorial severity ; but he was surprised that the IRight lion.Gent.sheeld have been so blind as not to see the incalculable benefits which bed been effected by this mode of investigation ; indeed, if it had been lany ether person who bad shown such fatuity of iii -1 tellect, he should have said, that the man wa s totall y blind to the admirable administration of justice iu t 1 this country. Ile knew something of the abuses I which esi%ted in Public Charities, from en attempt which be had once made to check their Ist I when be first brought in his Bill for the Registration (of Charities, be received letters from all po rt s of the country, containing proofs of the 'salience of such abuses as the House could not possibly be Caere of. A friend of his own, by taking a h lit from a grave stone In a country church-yard, had beets led to pro secute his enquiries till his bad recur/nod IG,OOOI. or 18,0001. per songs, which wets now applied to their original purposes. Me. ~MYTH.—As a Member of the Rdecation Committee oppoiated in lsl6, felt an online, desire to lend his *id to •the investigation of the subject; and he could assure the House sit% the utmost sin cerity, notwithstanding the Insinealions which had been thrown net by an lion. Member, that be had entered the COSSeilite•SPith °prejudices on his mind, or political bias. It was • duty incumbent upon hies to contradict these foul aspersiow, aid to . that whenever it was memory to ea ' press his 01,11 sentiments either in or out of the Howe, he never should be afraid to stow them.— (lad he bees present on the occasion of the gamins. lima of Dr. Wood before the Committee, he should revtainly base objected la the goettlana put to that Learned Geritleman ; the imputations contained in them were webecoming the 'iteration of Dr. Wood, cud to his own knowledge were unfounded. 'He bad the honour of being acqeitiuted with that Gentleman, and he knew him to be a character most distinguish. ed for his respectability, his honour, his talents, sad his learning. Mr. JOHN SMITH could not help espressing his regret tls.t the Right lion. Gentleman opposite (Mr. I Peel) had this night thought proper to make the most 011warrantable attacks against • man who had done more in the support of the cause of truth and jos tire than almost any other individual. Ile hoped the !Right Most. Gentleman would do as wiser ; at least, he (Mr. Johu Smith) knew that he never would be I able to du mule their tis' most distinguished Gentle -1111111. The clause was then brought up, and, having been read, was added by way of tide, to the Bill. Mr. BROUGHAM then brought up a clause, exempting the Commissioners from making a Report to either Hesse of Parliament, that drawn up for the King in Council being deemed sufficient. —This clause was agreed to. Mr. BROUGHAM west proposed an amendment to the body of the 818, to lake away the esception in the Bill to visited Charities. Sir W. SCOTT objected to the amendment, prin cipally on the ground that visitors would be reduced trs mere nominal officers. Mr. SCARLET(' confessed that he saw none of those evil mewl which had been so strongly enforced by the last speaker. lie really saw every reason to support the amendment. !sir. BATHURST opprosed the amendment. Mr. ELLICE strenecessly supported the amend ment. The House then divided— For the mortal weir& of Me Rill V; I Far the A mentinfult - .. Sinjorit) al. wAys A Nll hi TA N ti. On the motion that the House resolve itself into • Committer of Wars and Means, Mr. CA lA' ERT obj•einsl In going on with b oi l. nets at Chit tate hour (too u'cln, k in the nint • g.) Mr. ilurcii 1 NsoN repealed the ohj..rtinn, nod *mots inert Initticulariv of the late lanes at a Ilich fresh business was brought forward on some late occasion'. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER mid this arose from ass. airlable socunistsoces. The House then Inspired itself into the Committee, ends Resolution was passed for grant log 12,000.000 , . of a Loan Out of the `linking Food for the amiu of The year. The other 0 der.' of the Dry were dis:losc . ! cf, and the iluortjouind iiiThre.: o'Clerk. NOTLININTII IN TOR SPOITINO WORLD. Tlits match between Sanaa sad Sprits' Is off, in cense. gnome of the latter havirig refesed to fight "coed se the day that Donnelly and Omer contend; bet Spring offered to fight on the day provisos, at II o'clock In the mnroing of the 21st of J sly, or ea that day feetnight afterwards. The Black wept with grief at ibis Wesel, and mentally exclaimed, " ()Attie'. occupation gone." To relieve his mind, end that he might be once more employed In active service. he vras matched last night et this Castle Tower n, Belcher's, lageinst the Giant, Beres, for 501. aside, to fight allot Donnelly.—Erna betting. RANDALL AND SCROCIOI3II.—The latter little dreadnought hero, who Ma [sag fancied having a taste of Randall's qualify, were also matched for 100 Ones, aside. The prime Irish boy was about to commence publican, bet he was too polite not to eco coinntodide the wishes of *regains • mad the follow. ing articles were immediately agre ed to :—" Castle Teem, June 22, ISl9.—John Randall aid Johm Serene's agree to fight in a 24. feet ring for 100 guineas aside. The fight to take place on the 31st of August. Ten pleats on each side are this day deposited in the bands of 1. Belcher. The remain. ing 90 guises. aside to be made good at the above piece es the 19th of July end 3.1 of August, ita mediae, or the deposit to be forfeited. To be a fair mud op fight. Half minute time. The 'tote o f fighting to be left to Mr. Jarksoo ; the Umpires to he chosen on the posed by each party ; and the men to be in the ring by woe o'clock on the day above named."—Tbe odds instantly offered were t to I on Raodell. Tuesday • poor labourer, In alerts 'tag a !udder *lib a hod of mortar, at • ',eddies la the lioroeferry— read, fell from the height of two stories, and kid his IWO sod arm broken._ bosoms DeAte.--Meaday a flPf•••11 111 young Lady, walking slung Chapel-street. Edgeware.road, oppowite the Pomfret Arms, fell backwards, and ea• pired. A few days ego, a bee.hire belonging to Mr. Gregg. Cooper, d icereby.grange, neer York, was accidentally oterterned by one of the eervant•asen. Ue I iseeif luckily escaped danger : hot the eoragerl. Monts appeared determined to revenge t►emselsee an any living o►ject that came ire their way. Part et them consequently flew open a pointer dog, end the rest epee a terkepcoek, both of which were neer the hire. Ibe former (being chained np and soak', to escape) was so dreedfelly stoat, that be died in sbr t.o hears afterwards, appereetly In a stale of lII4Id. noes. Tu. terkey-cock, however, survived till the following morning, and time died after considerable suffering. BIRTHi. Mr.. Nevins. Ware irk-4eare. of a daughter. On the 19th len. at the Wort, Boa-hill, Sane', Mn. Ws. Skilliagtaa. 'fa ann. MARRIED. Oa the !Ist ia.l. M I. Jaars's Chorea. Andrew Ilunitica, J.j ; ,y of Ike Navy Pay-ofire, in Miw !damn. of Pareadi Os gip loth imt. al (4er...irk. Mr. Hobert N Vow'. of Rob fire wise serebaa to Llizabeih, daughter of Xlis. Richard titari e, eg, of Grease 01 ED. On the ISA intl. at ea4le Itarrieztaa. in the Vet yrar of his age. Mr. Talmo' Carr, formerly one or We fire at Carr aull Fial:iias, bowers, lloarals-gate, Noulegbort. TIII. !ATTU: I. AND TIII: . 1.0RD IN WAITING. A lIVE AW/It• it When WARRI• ti.si hi lir , iiinht JLT proined. out Oen A t °whitlow, Then T Asr r. Ler ind.ienee n'ec I• 11 difies'd, tier . sod our 1101t•tos bath ieeiong! 111 . Inventor alibis spleislid Blacking, Stands high in faroe.—se, other honour ',eking But I—the Itt•citnG it frequent !losing to recompeorenteuhjind prelrrsissi, Of FAme, wither/ivy pone, so 'leotard expect is WSW tang rose or einem% I At Court one nijht—e whiled Lord in waiting— A ppenetl a youth neray'd re tailgate r This Lord. each puial of etiquette densairs. lased tie •ours soldier wah repuoii.e Who* Boons by W saw% Jet sdreteX use Each übj. u AS it pawl 4t iniesie sir. • BT 1 1 1 Alllitir • S BLACKING then. ini• Lord • 1. tow by the BOArrs o hay twin rel.-. •••.1 " Sir."—to ribe officer.- - be f. re r nr, find A "eraser begrese.—teetei the CHILLI Ji The Caul—Shat Limn ? tt.. rnse, I 11 tweet, l'ne wee i" " The LITTLA LADY ly poser thir, /mean." " wad, ire ray frOmair r--ctiest the ...rib patonis4 . .l, TM by a I.vriy, lurrlt dome, • 31y 0 , al , . he wars, aim.. your Upol's . !stabil blriella, 2. She sed—sed laughter et Isted round sloe tome II wersco'A the CIRcLA—koYaLTY ass pleised i , And , m 'eet the whir g the pUrttlosa Lori, Nopesed„ the Jeri i set gilt he dreads att.-tire 1 be Beers thine/ by **auto s spleorffid lixecUtlet. Thir easy showag cud CAILLIANT BLACILIMU. pro paled bj gicd it,z„„z. M. firmed. Limoges.. Awl -Ad is vests Taws is Iles L:istdos e Legsid is Beaks* tek1..114.. an 4 AUs PASTE. III.A C K 1 !4 ri. he PAH , . 64.. I .4.. weed 18.1.eirh. 0 4 %hint, g I;,atle Pa-te is capi•l e.. Four Shilltng Botolcoei Liyagd. r: r Ask f.., IV ARRF.N•S BLACKING. 11.0SIIRIN Prbord sod Pob4hbod by P. PranT. of ihr 1 throfoomos Orolui, So. 44 :lobate r7-room, 1..