The Statesman. — London, England, 1820-06-17 00:00:00

Lord tiou.sx P. in explanation, said, that he had nut claimed and• right to having the Bill read a tirst time witht at discussion he had distinctly expressed him- se', .ts relying upon the usages and courtesy of the !lo,tse. 1 r.e Bill was then read a first time.— Adjourned to Mciday. HOUSE OF COMMONS, FRIDAY. Jcsa 18. Th:s Ay the gallery was opened at half-past two o'.:ucti., and the SPEAKER took the Chair at a quarter to tour. • '1 he fleck of the Crown was called in to amend the writ for Ipswich, substituting the'nanie of 8. Len nard, Esq. in the rimin of Crickett, Esq. Who was declared not dul♦ elected. - Ott the motion of Mr. N. CAVIRRT, Lord Milton was excused from attending, this day, the Conitnittee appointed to try the merits of a'petition against the return fur the borough of Bridport, and the order fur his further attendance discharged. in consequence of t'ie death of a near relation, which required his absence. Lord FRANCIS Osao l.routzlit up the Report of the Select Committee appointed to inquire into the me rits of a petition complaining of an undue return for the - borough of Petersfield, which declared the pitting Members, Mes•rs. Jolitfr and llothato, duly clotted. Mr. CURWLN presented a peti , ion flue►► certain read a second time on Monday fortnight; after which the original question was carried without's division. THE QUEEN.---Lord C*a•rLeaaaun rose to move that the adjourned debate on his Majesty's most. gra cious Message be further adjourned to Monday next. He assured the House, that he regretted being obliged to make this motion, but circumstances had occurred which rendered a further delay unavoidable. What ever the issue might be, it was most desirable that it should be known as $01)11 as possible; but he was nut to-day placed in a situation to afford.that information to the House, without which the merits of the question could not be fatly appreciated. Beyond Monday, however, no further adjournment ought to take place, and on that day he hoped to be able to explain to the House the result of what had occurred on the subject in the interval of suspension. He had now only to re quest Hon. 31embers to consider the question, as placed precisely in the very same situatiuu as when it was first introduced. ... Y. URWEN prriet.._ -.4A111 pa. -- testers, praying fur some alteration in the laws reiAthe Mr. TIERNEY expressed his hope, that no further to patent:, fur effectually securing the specifications, adjournment would take place after Monday, and un- The petition was laid on the table, and the lion. der that impression he should certainly nut oppose the Member gave notice of a motion fur IVednesday next Present llOl l. on the subject. Mr. Beticattaat concurred entirely with the Noble Mr. f'TIJART WORTLEY, the Chairman of the Elec- j Load opposite, that no further delay ought to take von Committee for Bishop - Castle, reported that flare after Monday ; but nu flame could attach to ei- Messrs. Holmes and Rodgers were to be the sitting E ther party iu this respect. Both parties had evinced Members, and that the Hon. Douglas Kinnaird and evt•ry 'disposition to expedite the result. To delay the exposition of that result beyond Monday, world be Mr. Knight, were not duly elected. 'I he Report fur eter stated, that the right of e l e ction w as res t e d very wrong, males , some circumstances should occur in the capital bnrgesses resident in the borough fur a which could not now be foreseen. He had one ulster year and a day. cation snore to offer, and that was to express his anxi- The Clerk of the Crown was ordered to attend and I OILS Wish, ill common with the Noble Lard, that the a!::mil the writ accordingly. • House would suffer the question to stand in the same The petitions on both sides were declared not to be state till Monday. frivolous or vexatious. Mr. linoutatast suggested an arrangement to the Sir E. Minty presented a petition from certain Chancellor of the Exchequer, fur postponing a tam . of his which stood for Thursday. till Thursday meek ; persons in Essex in favour of the Colchester Sessions' iSiil.—Ordered to lie on the table, to which we understood the Right Hun. Gentleman Mr. I). W. HARVEY presented petitions to the sense a'"e"ted• eiect from three parishes in the neighbourhood of C RELIEF TO lIIELAND.—The CHANCELLOR ofol- chester.—Laid on the table. the Excasestren rose anti stated, that it was his intr.- Sir T. AcLANo presented a petition from certain lion to submit to the iNistse certain papers which he agriculturists of a parish in Devonshire, complaining held in his hand, for the imrpose of calling their at u: the distressed state of agriculture, and praying for tention to them in a Committee of the whole House. relief.—Laid on the table. These papers were connected with the distressed state of Ireland, and it WIIA ills intention to propose stwli a l Mr. Lixesav presented a. pefitiOn front the linen remedy for that distress .t' Parliament could apply.- 1 manufacturers of Penh, pravireto be put on the same limiting with those in Ireland.-Liid on the table. I (Hear, hear!) —Whys, upon a former evening, a question was put to him %%ilk respect to the intention,', Mr. Fiv ' , Lae presented a petition from the Bur of d I reland, lied wasi gesses of Glasgow. priving that no alteration might Government I not then in his p tower ower s to make an be y p rep ropos that it on upon ta.ite piece in the laws relative to the importation of timber from the Baltic.—Laid on the table. ; the subject. But since that time, from inquiries INSOLVENT DEBTORS' BILL—Lord AL- which he had made, and from the more urgent so- I moar leered the third reading of this Bill. Th e lit•itations for relief which had been forwarded to liar ve Noble - Lord observed, that it , would be proper the pro- I vernment. he did nut think lie ought any to rto k • visions of the Bill should be extended to the islands of ; delayhtingtt the case before Parliament. i aslh Guernsey, Jersey, and Alderney.% here no relief what - 1 his duty to state, that the Lord Lieutenant of I nd over was at present extended to insolvent debtors, who, hiul alreedy advanced a suns to meet the i te, 'exigency of the case , fully relying open the natereof in many instances, were confined for life. He eels. he should feel it hie dnty to call the attention of the : the circumstances as sufficient to warrant the expecte- I House to the subject in the course of the next Session. lion that Parliament would sanction the measure he The Bill being-read a third time, and passed, had adopted. It would be recollected, that in )Sly, a Bill passed the House, authorising the Con 111 l issioners Mr. Alderman Wouu proposed three clauses by way of 'rider, the first of which protitled that every debtor, of public works in Ireland to appropriate a sum of 251),0110/. to the execution of new public works, the al- Open applying for the benefit of the Act , should be immed i ately place d i n actual engto d y w i t hi n the walls I Smite object of that Bill being to afford employment , of the prison. to the lower classes, who were then exceedingly dis- I Of that sum the half still remained tine:- Lord ALTHORP objected to the clause , as being contrary to the spirit ' of the Bill before the House, pended, and when application had been made to the wiat.h expressly guarded against the system of Wig - Lord Lieutenant for relief under the severe calamities iag debtors to waste their property in unnecessary which had recently occurred in the south of Ireland, confinement. his F.scellency, with the advice and approbation of the The clause was then svithdrawn, as *ere also the commissioners, agreed, upon receiving sufficient sera me others. • • rity, to order the sum of 100,0001. to be issued for the 'CRIMINAL LAWS.:—On the suggestion of the support of the commercial credit of the country. The A rroaNev-Gerentat.; who stated that the subject was object of Lis (the Chancellor of the Exchequer's) wee. now under legal Inquiry, sure would be not only to sanction that advance, but to Sir J. Maas-resit consented to postpone the second authorise the Lord Lieutenant to make such further advances as might be found necessary, even to the reosting of his motion relative to the Criminal Laws ex till Wednesday next. • , tent of half a million.—(Hear, hear!)—Whatever re• • UNDUE INTERFERENCE OF PEERS.—Mr. luctanre might be felt in the present state of the roan- Lttrurorr presented a petition from the several Mem- try to increase the amount of the year's supplies, still bars of the Corporation of Lichfield, complaining of it was necessary, if relief were to be administered at all, that it should be as effectual as poisible. He con the undue interference of Peel* in elections for tha t city,and praying that the laws 'against such a practice eluded with moving, that the papers which be now presented be referred to a Committee of the whole Howe. might be revised and amended. - The petit ioners com plained, that this influence was used by several noble The question was put and carried. families residing in the neighbourhood of Lichfield, The Coarsest:Aß of the EXCHEQUER then .saved, that the House should resolve itself into the said Coms at well,in•the county of Stafford. In the y ear 1 g 99, the number also had the elective franchise was 3110, mittee to-morrow. of whom only 40 were leaseholders; whereas, from A sho r t bi conversation T took . place across the table bo. lix that period down to 'ISM the number had increased i sercounhdi not te bear, a a le b e tt a t Li.o thee of f u th it e of it , t c te n er ao e uxe, t *lL e h et s t v tell'lßl, Inr conselaente of annuities being given as a was, that the Right lion. Gentleman altered his motion, qualification by the Noble families alluded to . and i and moved that the House du ROW resolve itself into the I a. I their connections. The lion. Member assured the said Coniniittee. House, that anuing the many petitions he had pre-! The spiestion was put and carried. l • stinted from the count, of ffiraffork there w t sine I The SPEalLin having left the Chair, Wee! respectably Arsee4llllll the' i tioi l t id , The Cuarecitton of the Excillup/111 presented ) thCwit e pers to e Charman a tey were read b the, shore to be taken into 'the st.ritlit ebeeldelitfon of the pa l'he first th i w paper as a , lette nd k r signed Isaac J ones, dOed ',ease. • . Cork, Stith May, 1820, and addressed to his Excellency • Mr. WILLIAMS ' said, that he should again introduce the fiord Lieutenant of Ireland. It shortly stated the the motion he hdd submitted to that Beans tail your, failures of the two banks in that city, and the calamitous iiirainst the 'practice of splitting *4haihr &Hien% in consequences which followed, and prayed the attention of the Committee to the petition which accompanied the die lope that it might prove Of some steiliee simiattla letter. clieekinte the intaTerence compilained of inlets. present The second paw . was the petition of the Mayor sad petition. .. Corporation, and principal inhabitants of Cork, to the ?)le petition was read anti laid titr the table. Lord Lieutenant. It stated, that when the two banks EAST INDIA VOLCNTEIi OS' BILL.—Lotd - 891- alluded to had failed, they were under engagements to allie hicui s ltt deals bin, trims *Mei ' , the pu b l i c to the amount of 350 , 0001 .; that in cones. ...N r. , A . viaion 'bit h e s t r i n gptto k now fr o m tie- queace Shore was no &casting medium in that poet Made Lotd %ow it Wu necessiot; it such a period elf. of the ellalitrY ; that tint losses wlsich had been geae ..... incurred, and the total stoppage of the circulation, wo , tilt present . td keep ifp a corps of 'voluisteeri for two bo &stewed with the deepest calamities to that part Antall? the raft' isdia reolPstr in .l4l stinn ? ._,.. Ireland, if some relief was not immediately adnsioist l_oilliirstittnn obsereed, Id rilplt; the , letetur fusee' ed; that private individuals were unwilling or una attsfrahhitir Weis up a body of men lit 'London, he to afford that relief, and that the only hope of the perpides tenneeted With the luimedide barest's of chi tititers wa reposed in tbe Government. They trusted that sense s niary advance world be made, for which Climpany. - swilicient security would be given. This, they cup- Mt. :.I. A. TiVl.Oll rentended• that Ibis was not a , was the only means by which confidence amid thise for propolint any adilt . ,ottal force?* that 0110 be restored, and commercial credit sustained. &prawn:4ol4d tri*Wie . cotrutry. • • • ! The third paper was a letter from Mr. Gregory,in Mrosittiteitti . Mt. Neon' tiffmilfht inch a fore •er . ply to the above, in which he stated, that his Excel quite summitry . . The East India Company were {envy the Lord Lieutenant had determined to comply ~ y ~ . plice . made by the Lord Lieutenant, and in the next place to place at his disposal such an additional sum as would ef fectually promote the object in view. The immediate effect of the vote which he should propose, would be to show to those who wished to alarm and agitate that country, that Parliament had not lost sight of its real in terests, and that the House was prepared to pay every emotion to those interests when it had the power of re lieving them.—(Hear, hear, hear!)—The Right Hoo. Oentleman concluded, amidst cheers from all sides of the House. with moving, that " whatever sum or sums, not exceeding on the whole 500,01:11/., have been, or may be advanced by the Lord Lieutenant of Ireland to such firms as have given suffirient security for the repayment of the saute, at the usual interest of per cent., shall be made good by the House." Dr. LIASIIINGTON protested against grants npon the mere general ground of distress. The real fact was, that the Banks which had failed had been induced to °remade. He would not, however, oppose the grant,' because., though little acquainted with the state of Ire• land, he knew enough of it to believe, that the most sr. gent distress prevailed among the lower classes in that country; and that unless souse assistance was afforded, the most complete misery would be the consequence. It was on this account that he gave a reluctant consent to the motion. Sir U. ilitt. admitted, that the present distress in Ire land was in some measure caused by overtrading, but there were, in fact, want' solvent houses, which, on ac- 1 count of the sodden diminution in the circulating medi um, were involved in cosh ments which they could ultimately surmount, if they were assisted by the Bonet. Lord A. Ilsmit.vos said, that the present caletnitiee t were causes! by the system of paper circtslation, which, he contended, was a system of false reedit, and une in which the country could not long persevere. Mr. GRIINVELL observed, that his 11c.n. and Learned Friend bad argued the question as if it was the intention of the Hight Hon. Gentleman to relieve the hankers only. But if 'see understood the motion right, it was meant to relieve not the bankers, hut the whole country, whirls was now suffering ft she imprudence or ;Ms. conduct of those bankers.—(Hear, hear!)—lle agreed with his Noble Friend iw attributing the present crisis to that system of paper currency which iris established thirty years ago; but it had its own cure within it, and he believed that it was hastening to its termination. The Cx.sxcatd.ort of the E•TREQUCk said, that the Hon. Member who had just sat down had rightly ex plained the object of Isis motion, which was to relieve the country in its present distress, front u hatever caner it proceeded. Mr. FosTan conceived the object of the motion was not to encourage over-speculation. The effect of the failure of the Bank in Dublin wonld be, to bring down inevitable ruin on many establishments. lie thought, therefore, every possible assistance ought to be afforded, and with all the expedition which the forms of Parlia ment world permit. Mr. C. UR I ANT said, that the motion of his Hight Hon. Friend was one which deserved to meet the unanimous approbation of the House. With regard to the delay which was feared by the lion. tientleman opposite, he would remind the Hicase, that the one hundred thousand pounds which had been advanced by the Lord Lieute nant. was already at work under the confident expects. Lion that the measure would recoire.the sanction of Pais lianienti and therefore, if any delay were necessary, it could not be so detrimental to the measure as had been apprehended. Mr. V. Firasznaus said, that great advantage wonld undoubtedly be derived from the money which was pro posed to be advanced, but lie expected a still more exten sive and permanent benefit from the moral effect which the grant, of itself, would produce. When the country saw that such a measure was approved of by Parliament apprehensions would h. diminished, and that would im mediately contribute to the security of commercial credit. --(Hear, hear !) Mr. C. GRANT thought it right to inform the House, that he had this day written to the Lord Lieutenant, by post ; and he expressed his confidence that Parlia ment, upon a proposition being made, would take such measures as would effectually relieve the distresses of the country. • Mr. W. PARNELL made a few observations, which were not distinctly audible in the gallery. Lord CASTLERRAOH was happy that this occasion would furnish him with an opportunity of congratula ting his country on the feeling which its distresses had raised in every part of the House.—(Hear, hear!!) — Never was the participation of the (louse in the dis tresses of that country so strongly marked as on the present occasion.—(llear, hear!)—He had always ventured to assure his countrymen, that Homy question arose where the disposition of the House could influence their decision, it would be seen that that proposition was one of pirtiality to Ireland.—(Hear, hear !) The House, by the manner in which it received the proposition which was made this evening, had given the strongest testimony of its sympathy in her suffer ings. —(Hear, hear !)—He trusted that this measure would be found to be of great practical effect. Mr. KIRKMAN FINLAT approved of the measure in the strongest terms. - The question was then put, and carried with° at • a' Mose nt ing voice. • The House resumed, and the Report was ordered bs be received to-morrow. La• COMMITTEE OF ICPPLY.—Upon the motion of ilm CUANCRLLOR of the E%cus.qcsa, the House wen? Lego a Committee of Supi.ly. XL Aasuvultov moved a sum Of 476,4941. fiWtlie issariat Department.• • Mr. HUMS objected to.the manner in which the es- Rotates for the Commissariat and Storekeeper's De partment were confounded. He complained, also, that as increase was made in several items, as compared with last year. librillll of strong disapprobation to the intend. barracks at Manchester and other pla tes . of England. No other country is Europ e meant for the support of Its Outerament. defended the necessity of erecting bar• forth, upon the grostbd of the disaffeetio s the iraglitrates bad reason to believe still pre. quarter. Indeed, he himself could h est testimony to dm existence there of a my disconteaw spirit. lie had been not long ago at Carlisle; aid at a race ball where he was present, he knew that se. veral I f the ladies bad been insulted as they passel through the streets ; they were told that they might wear their diamonds for that occasion, bid it was is last time, as they would soon lege them. colonel Davies wished to know what necessity, there for a barrack-master in barracks where then 4 4 1: f ~ of • k . were no troops, and where the detachments were se small, that there was no occasion for the superim e k. - ance of such a person ? These offices ought at lean t o be filled up by meritorious officers ; but even that Irott not the case ; for, in one place, he knew that the s i low thecae- of the town was a barrack-muter, and he kak•lr of another where a stone-mason filled the office. The CiLiNcei.i.na of the Excneuesn said the is. crease of the barrack expenses was no voluntary bar. o th f e c n ir i e m iti l i7:t ed aoi llw • l est n ha tt coun t ry t h ioiililiiot be avoided. arose entirelyavoided.Tbeanckt mentafmn now proposed was rendered necessary in consequence of the agitated state of the country; and fur the protection of the loyal and industrious partof the community. In almost all the great manufartur. ing towns of the kingdom, protectiou was sought for against the enemies of public order, and that prate. tion could not be afforded, except by the employment of a military force. On that account, it became us. cessary to have particular places for the 'centrum& tion of troops ; and by that means to render them inure effective than they should b., if mixed with an agi. tated populace. The expense attending the Ragmen. tation of the military force seas comparatively a small evil ; the greatest evil 1.1 all was the existence of a turbulent spirit: and the best econetny would be to have such a force at once, as would put it completely down. It was true, that provisions had been made far accommodating a battalion of the Guards; and the Mews was one of the places appropriated for that pur pose ; but this was no new thing; the Mews had often before been formed into a temporary receptacle fur troops. Mr. Ili-me could not look upon the great extent of barracks in this country (97 in number), withonfsome degeee of alarm. Vast expenses were incurred building barracks in particular places, on occasional alarms ; and snotty of these barracks were afterwards deserted ; and the very men left to take cue of thee diminished the force of the regular army. Mr. Aavouruprov justified the erection of berraets as absolutely necessary. Mr. AHEKCIOAIIIIII observed, that the Chancellor ef the Exchequer bad now confessed that the disturbance anal disaffection of the people were such, that barracks were absolutely necessary for quieting them. It weld therefore be a reproach to the Hume of Commons ast to make a partici:ler inquiry into this circunistaare, and ascertain whether these barracks were memory. Ihe Cuaisceuma of the Excaramotit. in mph* tion, wished to remind the House that all he had Na was, that where disturbances existed is very mum! places, it would be ne-essary to have the troop ens: centrated for the more effectual suppression of them Colonel Davits explained. Mr. CAL 'RAFT differed completely with the Cho. 'eellor of the Sockeyes, as to the cease of Itts= creased numbers of barracks. If in July kit ters had tried to relieve the distresses of the pasilt. there would have been no disturbances. Mr. W. SMITH wished to know if the way dipole& down the disturbances was to vote NV i d 199,0001. merely oa t h e word of a illksisteN at sods demand of certain Magistrates, of whom the Mites knew nothing. He did not impute to Miaili1111), they intended to destroy the liberty of the If a 'landing army ; but ate was sure* if such • should hereafter be attempted, it would be to prevent its accomplishment, while such a malletle system as this existed in the country. Mr. ARBUTHNOT explained. Mr. Canso Ev wished to know whys Barrack Mallet- Oeneral should have the enormous salary of hi. *Jay. Indeed, he considered the whole of the explorer. biting to barracks as most enormous. Mr. ARIVTUNOT, in explanation, said that Masters General had been Ventral* lo rs it was in consideration of that ciremaiMON *ea the allowance in question. Mr. T. WlLsom observed, that altboagb the too ll / i *, tnous proceedings of the country might hart atiMat nut of distress, yet it was necessary that , went should be armed with a entlehot power to put a stop to them. And he MO, censuring the language used on the Woe Matt Itm . House, as tending to defeat those measures now conceived necessary for preserving* lity of the country. Mr. CALCR•FT contended, that every ]letups' 1 16 House had a right to ask 11filreiplolladom sthurA.yhfctgeorrnecsat:imveseduwibliseowg:v.r.stdlti.ir:Psuenniroselecdissofiliorrry..PAsamosiosirsig 4s! and the CIIANCILLOIt of the Illanctru o'• i ibe ag divided. • For the Resolution - - - 72 • Against It - - - . Majority - - - -- If of tegt L T i la h e e nest Rake rs of itt iiiin tivo ry w s a h s e to s g ev rzt hts s c um i jark was agreed to. • yepa M i r rin . A g i f ß ort irr s uN a n n T d t d hi e i f e ra 7 , o:ed g ot t h o er gra expe nt ; e a It I .I••••••• i- ,~ • . , 1 4 14 E Sa ATES4fi r . I • ge,ttilf mire sad ni .day, arid they wits t i l i s a ralyerAfght , peti . r t on, and, Wilt advice anal' &trek' in terms oisehf WI .to be sae • • . they had anato on of I ommissioners of p C work". bad • , ,of i e j ect i on o f b adopted. ordered the item of 1410,11110/. to be issued from the Tree- in the North of .ifter ii" iTstirt converge • r. BERNAL. 'used 'nth meat Mr. DAVIV, and Lord littemixo took su rt h f eo rC t l L' e xPl iC i r L irOft 1111. of a t i b i : " El i c . HEQuan rose and said, Mr. Wean d -•• • • was put for the second reading of the 4 l"'s q uestl°D dui, as soon as these papers had been placed in his I on Monday hands, be thought it his duty to lose aslittle time as reeks in the Nu next, to which possible in bringing them wider the consideration of which the Wag Mr. Cnitavr moved as an amendment, that. it be Parliament. It was now his object to make such a Iwo- va n e d i n t h at , read a arcand time ea Mandel: fartnirhti after which . Lion as would in the first place sanction the a d va nce testimony to ti reps: nog 1917111 auu %mai ay .. 5 ,---- ---w-- . 1 . Mr. ARBUTHNOT replied, that the 114116012 of putting coas t of Africa. Ineli k I the estimates together we,, because the two depart- mr, w . s kint ü bl , b e h ope ,' that mons! . „ ..as t c Infatif Wit united under ass tlamas. Next yea;, edadia au laaaaat i es i ~,,,,,F e e o n the rrai r it be eitoeid live to peeped. Uto entte the be would sus t b e blot c o w ;* osa..that OM Pars4 llol la . pelt eiftberotieet 4 silo Aka *robes% would not .he distinguished hereaa•re 11 011 ?be Reeetit Arse then' wool*. .. ies s i by liourlitutipaiug tar digIIWIVI II/e t a l The nett liseelStios iessyelirreedips l 56 w allif' wit.elitiitlt tier iZipit I 1141,000/. for the Barrattite Mr. H. O. RHONA/ objet at. Wile 104 velem dam affalied lie'ai c ‘ a ' whiel a : had lees of 'barracks, which, he said, vow v mirky ill ctentry, mad noCconsinsiil with tie. IPA dram Odi- Mr. , ea .i a r. um IrTuireT mid, * A t Dose, be d . exius. He argued, tbat massy slisadeeniaires• whic h ._to expend money there withstst 7 he would not particulari s e, m i g ht p ro ceed trots tee, reentsent. • 1-,11. .. 4- Yr ./6 ,5,..,, 1- associative of so ma n y m en u n de r o ne roof. He re- Th e „ t i n w as gyred to. Wri ~"7 Mot but edn eta r ees to tie V