The Statesman. — London, England, 1823-04-18 00:00:00

wit lout tiair.Or coirdaif t eitiwp—erU - ijeviti took office on a secret undeiatanSing* to abandon, parti ally or altogether, any pid of his Wott . pripc4plea— • whose mouth, heart and condact—so fir 'Si conduct can. be e • real bides Of the heart—had beea always in' unison upon this questioe. " I w ou ld," co ml. toted Mr. Brougham, " his eiample had head followed upon my side of this question, and thew, 1 should not have to dwell upon its fortune with; the despair which fills my mind at this tunment. But, whatever the condect of the. Right Hon. Attorney *General for Ireland might have been, if he had deviated from his former professions; ant he (Mr. Li.) did not say that be had, let the Right Hon. Secretary for Foreign Affaits (Mr. Canning) have come for Ward at the most critical moment for this question, and for his own cha-, mete, when the question ems, whether he should go to ladle into honourable exile, or take office, end not sub 'wit to his sentence of tranaportation, Lat be condemned ;,t hard labour in his own country-.(a a;oonted to. the tonneau of divided•Couarils, sitting Milt! his eneuties, pitied by li;s friends, his heills chained; andi tied doses is all those fines of operation,* which tits aerial plohes•anal sentinsents• waild i 'duce hint to adopt ;t kt std take( that rerical moment when his fate depentl4ll on Lord Chancellor Eldon, and his sentiments oti Catholic Claims • if or that criticat impotent, he, Who bad . raid last niolity ' tlist• he would not truckle to the Ment ion, fee New Hiram ( ( fiord Folkestone), should have ett 'Whited the most Itialediblestilitutm of monstrous truck ling. foe the purposorelikathine oilier, that was ever furnished in:thitaistiav et`politiial tergiversation. Mr. Secretary CANNIN4I-1 rise to sty that this is ,•••• • • , • r •r • • • A solemn silence pervaded **How. Mr. Bronghans ' appeared to us to be in this art of ratiriog from die Holm, when • Toe iPE AKER. espiewod his risyrst, in •iow time r that an Hon. Member, holding ',the ran yid sistionof the Right Hon. Secretary, should hateeii . fai ((irritated. the reapeet whip, It was d...e to the dinnitytif Bat' station, ood of the house. Mr. Secretary CANNING—For the offence of which 11 have been guilty towards the House, I am ready to apoto gist, bat sothing—no consideration on earth shall [educe sue to mired what I have said. The SPEAKER said, that under circumstances of so much difficulty, as lie felt bititoelf in upon tole ()erasion, he would ask the if ouse.whether it would not support hint. He would therefore, under the protection of the House whether it would not support him. He would, there tote,ifider the protection of the House, ask the . Right honourable Gentleman whether lie was ready to Segel the expressions, which he assured him were contrary to that order I%y which the ilebotesof the House ought to ISO . Teo galeted Mr. Secretary*CANNlNG said that be was estertipelt sorry to incur the displeasure of the House, bat lw.Colild, not retract an expres'ion, of the force of which be felt ceneiction in bin own mind. -31 r. USOUtiIIAM was about to rise, but amid lona cries of chair, CluSr e." The SPEAKkIt again addressed them. He hopes!. he was not g wk . )* epee any point of the order of the House, bet lie was most *axioms to coil its emirs i s attention to . - • • Allis breaeh Of its iegulatiuns—a breach which he was not disposed to confider not as euverticial. The CIIANCELLO4 of the EXCHEQUER "aid lie Loped that he was not digressing . from the course which one Member or one Geotlemonsnight adopt towards ano slier, but he would ask the MAL and Learned Gentleinao • what it was that, he had etat,ti. The lion.Geutletimo at a'l times expressed Meisel* with much force and elo teem*, but sonietimesOlgis With' Warmth, and lie utast s t y if the expressionsnew used by the Hon. and footled Gentleman were applied to him, considering them, as he slid, to contain one of the eevereit reproaches against the person it character of his night floe. Friend, and not ueninst his •pnbllc conduct, whichlhe lion. (lentlemosi a right to scrutinize, be would not hive known in what regular manner he would have given vent to his feelings. lie was quite cure that the Hon. and Learned Gentleman would be doing nothing inconsistent with his . character sea Member of - that House, to retract those of fensive expressions. He was the more inclined to make this swiftest, as he was sure the Hon. and Learned Gen -. -tleman could not have intended any personal offence. lie could only say that sometimes there bad been a vehe mence of language used in that House, which often con ' veyed offence, contrary, he was sure, to the inclination of the person who had wed it. The SPEAKER acid that he was now confirmed in the propriety of calling upon the House to assist hisjudg - tneut in the difficulty in which he was placed; for he now perceived that some of the fault was attributable to him. —(Cries of "No, no.") He stated this as matter of con gratulation to the House and himself. It now appeared that the language which called forth the disorderly expression. was in itself such as imposed upon him the duty of at once interfering. lie declared he would have interfered if he felt with the Right Honourable Gentle n.an who had just sat down, that the Honourable and Learned Geotlemm's language was such as lie described 11. He now, therefore, addressed himself to the Hon. I and Learned Gentleman, and trusted that he woallil not hesitate in answering the call in the manner that tee I clreuinstanceo of the case pointed out. • Mr. BROUGHAM rose in obedience to a general call, but Mr. TIERNEY rose to order. lie apprehended that the regular course would have been to have moved that lain Hon. Friend's words should be taken down. The House would see that there was an end of every thing like regular debate, if a Member were to be met in the middle of a et ntence with an interruption so emphatic as that pronounced by the Right Hon. Gentleman.—(llear.) He thought that the regular course on this occasion made it necessary that they would, in the first instance, di s pose of the Right Hon. Gentleman's violation of order. • To let his words stand uncoutradicted, and call on his Learned Friend for an explanation, he believed was con trary to the practice of the Hoes,. He did not see what objection on any ground the Right Hon. Gentleman could Lave to withdraw the expression substantially. • The SPE:AEI; said, that though the offensive words which hnd been made use of by the Right Honourable G-ntletnan were recalled, still the sentiments of the • Learoyd Gentleman had not been retracted, anti these were considered not as official but as personal. The in tention of lils interfering was to have it said that the words were official and not personal. If lie (the Speaker) had adverted to this at the time, he would have felt it his duty to call the Right Honourable Gemleman to order, and now lie hoped that the Right Honourable Gentle man would recal the offensive words of which he had mode use. Mr. Secretary CANNING, after having maturely re flected on the words which he hail used, felt himself • • bouml, whatever censure the House might pass upon hint, to declare that he could not recal or vary a single word that It made use of. Lord A. HAMILTON said, that hail the tone and *l4nrusee of his Hon. Friend been ever so objectionable, the rules 11011 proctice of the House prescribed a course very different front that which was adopted on this occa sion. Ile held it to he tl.e duty of the Chair to mark out the first violator of order, and when he had given as; tisfaction to the House, then to require an explanation from the preceding person who had committed a breach of order. He, therotore, not without some pain, felt it imoutbent on him to call on the Chair, to declare who was the first violator of order, for the purpose of reqiiiring that he should in the first plate retract his ex larsqj .og. Mr. !MAKES rose with pain to speak on this subject. a --~. 'flue* thought the Noble Cord in a mistake In 144143 thelpeater aid not riPf upon these who tOd - ifou! a breach of order fee an ezplansitior ;" for theBpeaklo ,called. He Phi 0;) wise sorry that the itlest•Herkiddlitilfr` man had no! made that explanation, widen he cpuld , lti doneavike perfect honour. The Right Hon. Gene Mt tt- Isere said that he was sorry for the wor d s ' o f which We* made use. If the matter was am arresters'. it mieht leedkial consequences of the most unpleasant nature, and beeps.- the were so, he moved that both the Gentlemenehoilld'hei sadder into.eastody. He *al induced to take tbie dcmirle iserttryie it was that which was usual. It alight Isis that one or the other was wrong ; sod' to dad out w is h was west& hes matter of investlgathui. tint till ;tido eilete eided, he should move that both be taken into custody I . he credal mot conceive that there could be any other tagtrl The Honourable Ckintleman cone:laded by moving the% r. Seereterycanning and-Mr. Brouglnun be taken into eastody.i Mr. SergeantONDLOW seconded the motion. . • r Mr. WYNN concurred In the sentiments of the Uop dent.; hat could noreoncur in the motion which he hid' Itableltted td the House. Rut the House ought to recollect, , ,mat there had been u h decision on the metier ; and he know, of no preeedeet which would warrant the taking of Hop. Gents. into custody, till the House had come to some dee.- lion on this.breach of order that had berm eemelitted: It was, however, the date of the House to see that the Hoe. Gents. did not retire till they had given a pledge neon their honour as gentlereen, that the matter should'go no farther. — He hoped that the lion. and Letirned Gent: would see the propriety co( offeriog voiontarily such aq „ e x plenationos would avert any coneegummes ; and he (td,r. Wypn) would beg of bins to do so--16 give an eaplanatiMi.t u Me. Brougham —"Not one weird."l He would beg it ie 'Mout. The House would osk-it tread would take mire thatmithing which passed within it slimald be followed by any consequences without. lie felt a here that the matter would go no further. Mr. ABFAIGIUMBY tlionglit that the question which the House battle consider was whether *breach of order had been eninnsitted ; and Ibis being ascertained, I , the next inquiry was whether a'Proper apology had been made. With regard to the question that there bad been e breach of order, he thought it was admitted ; and Ihis bring the case,. he thought the House would not do its duty. if it did not support its own order. 'The charge I of falsehood had been brought against his Honourable and Learned Friend by the Right Honourable Gentle man, and that was a 'breech of order there could be Gentle no doubt. Ile was of opinion that the Hciuse should take care that no further proceedinx should take place; and they would beat do tbieby'a4certaining who had been the first to offend, and recommending to bins to be the first to explain. Mr. WILMOT said that bis attention baring been in a particular manner directed to the Honourable and Learned Gentleman's speech, at the snotnent of the in terruption, he tboughtthat it would he proper for hint to state the iiiipre•aton predigest on his 'mud by the lan gnage of the Honourable Gentleman. He oweed that his opinion was, ;hat the House was in a situation to callupon the Honourable and Learned Gentleman for an explanation in the lint instance. not perhaps according to technical rules, but f eubstantially on the me rits. His impression, he could declare. anteriorly to the iitterrnption, was, that the remarks of the Hon. Gentle man were most personal. It was for the House to declare who was the first offender. Sir F. I.WILDB*I"f said, that be could not account for the impression produced on other Gentlemen's minds by the language of -his Hon. Friend.. No doubt it must lie .considered as more or less irritating, according to the feelings of those who heard It ; but if the Hon. Gentle man who jest sat down was so strongly l i npresied with fie disorderly character of the Hop , and Learned Gentle men's language, the question naturally suggested itself why he did nut interpose himself. Let the House look at the situation of the case. tie was of opinion that bis HMI, and Learned Friend had out exceeded that latitude of retnat k which wag the right of every man in speaking of the coliduct of a public functionary, and therefore h e we, not acting in violation oethe order of the House.— lie Right Hon, Gent. on the contrary, as it was univer sally admitted, bad used laitguage Which was grossly . - dieorderly. Even if the Hon. and . Learned Gentleman had expressed himself its a manner that was manifestly couttary to order, still nothing could be more disorderly and certainly nothing more inconvenient in practice, than that a Member, instead of waiting until the regular op portunity arrived when he might address the House, should interrupt another in the course of his speech.— (hear.) If the language of his Learned Friend struck the Hon. Gentleman opposite as disorderly, his duty was to interpose and catuic the words to he takes down. But at present it was impossible to state with accuracy what that language was, or how what was said might have been a ff ected by what might have been said by 'his lion. Friend was stopped before the completion of his sentence. The saddle should he placed upon the right horse. The Chair and the House had sufficiently expressed their sense, and nothing, in his opinion, but resisting obsti nacy, where there 4V3, no ground for perseverance, could keep back the sati-fectory explanation for which the House was so impatient. Sir R. WILSON thought the question involved in a mis take. Ile certainly did think that the words of the Ho nourable and Learned Geneetuan were addressed to the Right Honournble Gentleman as Governor of India, and as Secretary for Foreign Affairs, and not by any means in his private and personal character. Under this impression, he thought that if they would consider this, the path was open and clear to a mutual explanationthis he thought that the Right Honourable Secretary should take the lead. Mr. CANNING said, if he understood the lion. Gentle man rightly, he would here no objection to give his cordial acceptance to the mode po nted out by him. With respect to the House, it was sale mat he had been guilty of a breach of its prams, and he was ready to submit to any censure which such a breach deserved. Further, according to the suggestion of the lion. Gentleman, he was willing to say that he understood the Honourable and (monied Gentleman to apply an imputation which he certainly did take to be personal. The imputation was that of unbecoming submis sion on his (Mr. C.'s) part to a high individual, for the sake of office—an imputation, as he conceived, not on his official, but on his personal character. If the Honourable and Learned Gentleman disavowed that he had used the ex pression in such a sense, he (Mr. Canning) was willing to say that he was mistaken in the sense in which he had un derstood it. and would retract; but if not, he would re tract nothing. The SPEAKER. wished to state to the House precisely how it struck him the question then before the House stood. There were two distinct considerations. The first was for a breach of the Order of the House, which the Right Lion. Gent. had himself admitted, and for which the House would, perhaps, consider a satisfactory explanation and apology had been made. The next considention aroseout of the appre hension of consequences which it became the duty of that House to prevent. If those consequences were plain, sim ple, and indisputable, it was its duty to take steps for the purpose of sewing the pieties. If, on the other hand, there was n possibility, and he would hope a probability, that the misunderstanding could be satisfactorily explained, then there could exist no dielculty asto the motion that had been made. The Itialit Hon. Secretary had in the most ungrati fied manner expressed his reeret the aCknowledged vio lation of the orders of that Home. As to *e personal lin putations which the Right Honourable Secretary supposed to he made in the language of the Honourable and L-arned tionr.._the H o ve would be stow to Attribute effects to words wail they 'snivel the sanction of bite who used them.— (rear. hear.) tlr. BKOIAHASII observed, that if lie were to rottsult his owls feelings. he should hare wished before 'he en tere4 en any explanation, tp pas on to the remainder of the seisteace in which he bad been interrupted by tbe, Right Hun. Gentleman ( lie. (f anning). Before he mode a farther observation, battened it to be reMeinhered that e call fog explanation hod eat proceeded (rout bioi e sumition then b..feire * the House, that the Itiklit 'Hits. tiOrleman. who bail been stored be the highest au-, therity in that House as basil been ;silty of a violation CEO llT*fgi- 1 • f ITi:1 • - "Ii -- ; - -- - ' ---- ria 1 - 4,41 'lt n }[ e m •TP.IT ~190 9 741 e r l / ro . #l O en emus w o e,Vio ashen into cult. y,, fhilthe(Mi:llly lirriik '• IA 'twist charged Ma l i lertlish•ofitslati sholskl'irisi. Undergo a siinflar:petble 1 . 8 6entl — (A WOO I. 4411ars boat.)—He opposed ibis : final i Fell as the last part of that p.opsksition. ..Ht ebaabl mi" ,49._assent to its passini !avow of censure, or the, cows threfitto custodk, in co sequelseer : of the ' langeage that birdlien addressed to hies (Hear.) With respect to the Kele ace in which he bad lona interrupteil,he ye ry much re petted. he spoke unaffectedly. that he was wholly. Incas pisge of repeating the Words that he . load made use 0f... 11e. recollected tee mionihß ivell, ` fi nd in the full recol lection of that nietiting,•be would not take upon blamelf ..e• say: whether he • had slot • used words that partielpdted -Whet Ilitle at a politicsl l o4 personal APPlicaon- :HO t wap,por.pitbm Ft efolracter of expression as to preptsely legriounate 'boundaries between these two Niel's: . e mesiilq liaritiir; a bis langeige be .wool 4 state, and leave toltivi ' Hbuisii46 s ludge of its.'interprotal lion. :fierstrell recollected; tint he had coed the wordd " poliSical tergiversation': It was undoubtedly .a wont explosion, but it stas one which had been over and °TA p Slit lined in die divas:Anti. of that Mousse; he bad cer tainly Pk stroeirli on the subject on which be had been 'aaihessing thitsi, and - felt` also as he felt now, thtt there never was an occasion on which that langnage was mere acenratelyalpplied. Hat these strong feelings were excited wholly bi 4 a, refereore.to the public awd political life of the Hight Plonorrable Gentlertiaui. buttes to his ' tivate capacity, good lion! be (11,. Brouzbetts) 1 .kpfef nothing ibat slid nut redousid to that Hight Hon. Ilentlemen's liontiar.—(Hear, heir 1..)-11s bad little I 'hisowledge.of his private life, and that little accidentally: It was in' that passage 'of his tire'heretdfete, when he agreed With 'Kim on Vie 'reef +MAUI' of she Catholics , of Ireland that lie (Mr. Brongliass) cause into that per- I Donal intercourse. it was not endosboolly for party-+I nut for fisctioue--not fur personal pommies that he had I adverted to the conduct of the Right Hon. Gentleman.—' It was becanss he ronsidere.l that, from the very MO-' went that lie had made a declaration, in his speech at Literpool, in which he considered the cause of the Cattle)- , lies hopeless, and that he trusted ha should not see, if agitated again, that brfelt called upon to apply the lan garage that he toed. At that ipantent the Right Hon. Goodman was preparing for his departure to India. It was a matter of perfect notoriety, that the Lord Chan cellor of England was in direct hostility, not alone to the question or the Catholics, but to the Night Honourable Gentleman himself. When, therefore, lie rooneeted that declaration at Liverpool with that hostility, and the sub sequent appointment of that Right Honourable Gentle man to the office be now held, lie did form the opinion that he had that night (impressed as tq his change of sentiment. He had no right to judge of the motives of any . wan ; but when he coupled that change of sentiment with the outward and, visible conduct—when he sate him at the head of Foreign Affairs, and what was unconstitutionally called the Manager of that House, he slid deeply deplore the change that had taken place; but why ? not for party purposes. still less for personal ; (mar, hear!)—buthecause he felt that such conduct-was at once a death-blow to the hopes of the Catholics. Ile should have willingly said more, hut for an expression that not once but twice had fallen from the Right Ho nourable Gentleman. His mouths was consequently closed, because the disorderly expression was reoe,ved and repeated. Mr. PLUNKETT said a few words across the Table, which were not heard in the Gallery. Mr. Secretary PEEL put it to the House, whether it was not tke mincer, conviction of every man In that !Buse that a most satisfactory explanation was given, calculated to allay any unpleasant feeling that might have existed Jau tweett his Right Honourable Frient and the Honourable and Learned rientlemaa Knees, beat...* With respect to the circumstances out of which the misunderstanding arose, he would say that tne facts must lia.e been misrepresented to ' the Hovicierablesui Learsest Genti.man ; for, if there was a maa less likely to truckle for office by unbecoming sub missions t 3 any man, It was his Right Honourable Friend (hear, hear!). After the explanation that had been mutually given, hedid not see the necessity for continuing the motion. Mr. DA NKF.fd met the suggestion, by mot willingly with drawing his motion (hear!). Mr. BROUGHASI resumed the previous discussion, and urged the propriety,of not turning their backs on the Catholics. The insincerity of former advocates, from whatever motives proceeding, could be no excuse for those who had so zealously and perseveringly sup ported that question.' Let these friends of that great cause not abandon their duty. Though frequently de feated before, they had still the manliness to return to the charge. Let them recollect the history of the Slave Trade Abolition. Notwithstanding the hollow support of Mr. Pitt. in spite of the repeated defeat., the question was ultimately and triumphantly carried under the Ad ministration of an united Cabinet.—(flear.)—lt was true, that it was not, as Mr. Fox stated , a Cabinet measure ; but, to use the words of that great mao, •it was consider ed " as gond as a Cabinet measure, and better than a great many Cabinet questions." The result of persever ance upon that question ought to animate the friends of the Catholics to renewed effitrts. The opposition to that signal question was successfully protracted, but it made its ultimate triumph. The friends of abolition saw the wreck of the slave ship go down, with an opposition of some paltry sixteen clinging to the shrouds; amongst whom was the predecessor of the Right Honourable Gentleman (the Marquess of Londonderry) , on whose , unfortunate memory lie should make no further com ment.—(Hear.) Mr. HUME said that the great question now was, whether the people of Ireland were to be governed as they ought, or whether the saute system of inireanage meat shall still be saffered to continue. Though lie was no friend to secession, thought it was no slight occasion which would make him leave the House, vet he would agree with the proposition of the Hots. Baronet, It was a fixed principle with him stover to desert Isis post; but no man ought to be a party to a system of delusion.— 'time Honourable Member here adverted to the speeches of several Members on the Catholic question, to prove their inconsittenry by accepting office. The conduct of Government was insincere to Ireland; it was a system of delusion, and showed that people they had nothing to expect from the present Ministers. Ministers were re sponsible for all the blood which would flow in conse quence of such treatment. Fur his part, he certainly would no longer be the dupe of those who so -often changed their opinions. .. Mr. R. MARTIN (of Galway) said that his Right lion. Friend. the Attorney-Generil, was placed' in an awkward situation: 'Would he take swim himself the awful responsi bility of losing Ova question, when many of the Gentlemen at Smother side threatened to withdraw, If it was agitated.— 'Plinio Hon. GentlemsM, who: while they acknow.edged the vitality of this question to Ireland, still withdrew, reminded kite of a man who, when challenged tolight a dual, shot himself, and left a paper, in which he stated, as an ex 'euse, that he shot hiaiself, becasise; if he did not, his adver eery might. Mr.S. RICE said, that although hes:night not certainly to question the conduct of ilia lion. Friend (Mr. Haler), who always took up the interests of lteland with so much cordial emmestiums, yet he vras unwilling that an intputatiun should be Mailed to that aide of the House of haying deserted the Catholic question. He was resolved to remain in hicPlace tb tholes:, small as might be the minority of his side. The Hon. Member concluded some further observations, by stat ist; that every (oilier ariumioilii favour of the question might now be urged with ten-fold force. Sir JOHN 'NEWPORT followed briefly on the same ,side, god observed that hitherto the question had al• ways gqined visited by .repeated discussion. if titer Om ime a tube ,when the 44 interests of Ireland • - 0 -.- - celled urgently for the passing of the measure, it was the present. - 4.,tiglWN eßresbecl histregrAt tbittlto could - not cooper lathe observations of the Hon:Metebef fhf West • minter. (SWF:Burdett), in this particular instance. The ?elides *is thet ordered to lie 411 the •tehle,•and to be printed. ,t i• -o• ,:••:'r • s••-,4 , • :;;Ii At the momept when the sp re k er - A 4l4 o lbii.. M an , 3 / 4 60 ., or the leading Moinbers go thiseop.osition, Rencthes rose and left the House; among.whoarri *added Sir P. ll)lrtlett. the Earl of Nefton, Lord Follteelbsei ed. Hal. Sir It. Wilaon, J. C. WM1644410- Hemet- Von , It 0. Beinsiei.„ sie Ferginott, PMer Moore, Lord I. 140orepejf,' Absercu,;_Tuns..lzkaHry. ands Mare. Mr. fitliWikENZ theft eseM inten tion Ityliritecierse of the present session to pirsent a pe tition basis* Catlooliewof •lerland, aurae l-44s • ininßi deraltle queltier of that body. atiti speakiligeddlienge of the great majority of theta-with reaps.. tto their claims. • Pattieldolf:rilindistasiee. foOtWetet;letrietediffluipassi hie. for high to do ;apt and ,tliereloret in onto fiilyress jng tlnlrouse on the Ca3hohe Claims, he appeared oe Iv oChei authority:Mao Mat wfile% fie Wolf upon b}srwlf:or.dM.ir iraltins it.frortete. Neutered Hoitour abiesfioallawt-that be had never feesintedibishself to thek;.eionaidrtoition under cireinastalKila lilifficalt• as those +which tioniofeesed upon him. ,He toned that he bad nottinyhanieiiaikdieeause.ottAeßoAs n Catholics wildest these pentlimerisibo.were decidedly {vaded. to it, but also '‘Val.sat taeD,lr aff..i'ipers.,wbe„,pu other oteasions.. had pro faned themeelves Its warm supporters. However the cause adahossWifier by tSti eeeesstd6 'ttioite4ll6 tied. ()gen- Nitioslt withdrawiothoupore44 it •inast mutant a hea vier loss from , the Bight ,Thae t filmitienueu.(Mr. Tiepey) *ha bad rainined in lug ia& to' give tlls tole in la twee or, It. , —(Piettr, hese.) fißiellaip•a wound had devr ham g sea to the hest interests of the Catholic Body as that billeted this night by the Right. Honourible. cientic mai. If the cause were to fait, that failure was td be httr - bitted eutirely to those who create 1. Vie coistien as' tt mockery, and considered the personal inability of 'hint who brought it forward, as sufficient to mildew*, Bet, for his own part, he was quite at o loss to conseive trAir this question was not entitled to the con siderahlon of toe House, though it was plated in the hands 6f ii diviiie I Administration. The !tight Hon. Gentleman hat 1 giver it his support from the year HAIL though Ise found it in fhOsands of aotivided Atlntinis , reion. W ould the lti,tttt Ilion. Gentleman allow him to tio.k 100 he mil reeodcile it to himself to set ndw in a manner so error different, merely because the individual who hrongfit the question forward happened to sit on that (the M - nisterial) side of the House? 'l'ue Right Hon. tientic man ought to 'Mulder that this cause was 10J high, to b momentous fur party. He was quite certain that hit having Come to that side of the Home, did not iiijnroi bite is the extenuation of the Catholics of Ireland; not could it efface from their minds the remembrance of their exertions he had made for them in honourable aiiceritv. The Right Honourable Gentledtan bad dwelt on Ofe cir cumstance of his having changid sides, hut If his ('Jr. Plunkett's) recollection served him, t hat Right Gentleman had moved as gracefully from one aide of t ae House to the other as anv person in it.—(Hear, hear ) It was very trite that hi(tlr. Piaui:en) had once ex pressed Iris disapprobation , that the Cahinet should ho divided on a question of each paramount importance so this. and he bad done so ander the *lron impression tha/ the parties were nut sincere at the time. It its- c-r -tainly utterly Impossible he could have expressed his - approbation under any other eitctimstanres. He ho.l. himself tilled a situation in an Administration of wrhicit the Right Honourable Gentleman was a Alestobet t and, though the Cabinet was then divide I, on the• voila:4 still be did not impute blame to them on that accouttt.— He iontiftiled to act with them, because healwityi thong - lit thetiflinery . He would hiniestly affseow that he hal come over to that aide of the House wrier the ititinel:cA that the cause was gaining ground in tko minds of t!;•)•., with whom lie acted, and that they were dispos., treat it fairly and properly. If he had not though: them sincere,he would never have been found on that aid-. He had made too ninny sacrifices in the tense to renter his sincerity doubtful, and this fact was well known. —The Right Hon. Gentleman then proceeded t o stet t his opinions in reference to the general question, and C.f.- ter a speech of greater length than our limits will allow us to report, proposed, " that the House do resolve it self into a Committee of the whole House to consider Cis state of the laws by which oaths and declarations are ro qttired to be taken as a qualification for the eoji,ytue.tt of offices, or for the exercise of civil functions so far as the same refers to hit Majesty's Roman Catholic snlsjecte, anti to consider it be expedient, and in whit nieniteri 10 alter and modify the same, and subject to what prira tions and regulaeoa Oa the question being put front the Chat?, Mr. BANKES (of Cambridge) opposed the motion in a lone of voice so low as to bu scarcely audible in the G lery. Mr. R. BECHER rose amidst loud cries of ." adjour 1, adjourn." Ile iupported the motion upon the . grooud of its being the only measure which could give permaneot peace and tranquillity to Ireland. (Cries of adjobrn, ad journ.) Mr. lAMBTON rose, but was prevented sp-akinv f some minutes by loud cries of "Question!" \Viten orler was restored, he said he merely wished to explain that he de= clined voting upon the question, because the mutter i which the subject was brought ftrward by his Majesty's At torney-General, wet, in his opinion, a gross deeeption the Catholic people of Ireland. The Gallery was then cleared. We underitand that dor leg our exclusion, for more than a hour, that several w:itiona of adjournment were made. On the question that the d.!.- bate be adjourned to to-morrow (this day), there appeared— Ayes 134—Noes 292—,i•jority against thoadjoumsent of the debate, MS. The question of adjournment to that day six months was then put and negatived. The adjournutent of the House was then moved, Trben the Ellmbers here—liar the adjournment, 313—Against it, 1 i ! Majority, 402. • And at half-pest one o'olock the House adjourned: By this decision the question has been got rid of, but roof be brought for*ard 'gain this Session. • The *ague and sontlieting accounts respective the barn jug of the suburb/ of Constantinople, deem now to hr r..- dam% to souse certain facts; Tophina, the Imperial e non foundry, was set on fire; the tames spread to the quer ters between Topbana and Galata, *hien *ere Inhabited by Turks of the lowest class. The number of the houkes burnt, is stated at fifteen' or twenty thousand whiell w;:l seem an exaggeration, if we look at a plan ofeountantinup:e to trace the extent of the quarter burnt. Three unii.tery barracks and pert of the eaval establi s h ments were htir.ir. Pere was saved by the agree( the Government: N ,- ) In 're is said of any damage dorm to the palaces of the CitriAisa Ambassadors, or to the SULTAN'S country seat.. It appears the salmon are now getting very shy of eo.d'e far up the Clyde. Since last rlatardaft only eleverf fish list A been. taken In the Clyde. A few years ago hundred time salmon by this time of the season would have been consider ed but ordinary fishilig. The people la the neislibuuritocot of 11Di-street are meting the 'rest dreadful compla:nts re specting the nauseous gee . work them which, notivitlistamf int the boasted remedy, is become es latelerah'e as ever ; and if not stopped, will drive the people de well as the 11,11 avia.y.—(filasgoor Chronicle.) SUrPhnlsto:n or liow FAlR.—Yestcrdiv, , purtnant I.• adjourtiment, a Petty Sessions *as held at Lambeth-s•reet Other; calEttii on the proprietors tmf certain land in the perfsh of Bow; to their by what anthority they h e ll lt3ew Fair annually. It beinkr admitted th.tt neither Charter nor prescription doubt be produced, patteti , oliftg O. holding hf the•Vaii . , the Magittr.tes declared it to • ) Ire. - illefral, and exaresied their deteralination of s.i -. 3 . iag it fortlie finuta: ..,~~ ~__ . rig