The Statesman. — London, England, 1820-06-17 00:00:00

Ihe ne• t motion was, that the sum of 150,010. shtnln b e ranted, pursuant to awards made by Com s i g i e ners for considering the claims sade by the t erriers of ..ertain Portuguese and Sparials vessels esp.: as an indetunlty to Net m od by British ships, and said owners. pr. LI-rtINGTON declared that this heavy expense 0 the (wintry arose out of the gross ignorance of the Noble ho-d at the head of the Admiralty Board. The instructions with which the British cruisers had been charged were acted upon as they should have b een , but the consequence was, that several vessels were captured and condemned in violation of these .. pr i n ciples, the support of which was as essential in his e yes as the destruction of the slave trade. Such, in deed, was the unequivocal injury which these orders ha d j et ted, that the Noble Secretary of State t as oblged to send out instructions to totliend the orders. The con.equence was, a treaty was entered into, be which we were pledged to make good the losses sus -% Valued by the Spaniards in consequence of the cap 'tures. Hut the House would hear kith surprise, that up to this day not a farthing of the captured goods was put in the C ossession of Government. It was the duty of Ministers to take care that the proceeds of the cap vue, % h o od be made available to the carryimg into yawl the evavention, and to prevent the addition t o our public burdens which their negligence necessarily brought about. Mr. ARBUTHNOT stated, that part of the proceeds were recovered in the Court of Admiralty, and part was in the haads of the captors. The resolution was then agreed to. The following resolution WM% then proposed :—That 41,1 S 7/. be granted to defray the charges and expences of repairs of temporary public buildings. Mr. Ht ms complained that the preparations for the . Corondtion appeared to him so have been built upon too Pnbgantial a scale. They were calculated rather for a duration of 40 or 30 years than for temporary accom modation. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQCFR Said, it was intended to submit to the House an r‘timate of the ex pence' of the Coronation at some early time, when an opportunity would be given to the Hun. Member to ob serve upon the expenditure. Mr. Cannes's uished to know when the estimates would be submitted. _ The l'itaxeaLLott of the EXCIIaQrt:a said, as ?loon as the Privy Council had detertniued the extent of the expenditure. Mr. Cam .YST.—But they will be submitted before the Coronation? The Cii.txceLLoß of the EXCHIQUER.--Surely. The resolution was agreed to. The following resolution was then agreed to 21,68N1. for the expenees of the Houses of Lords and Commons. The following grants were also agreed to :- 6,b159/. to pay up the deficiencies of the estimates of the expellees voted last year for the two Houses of Parliament. 21,6041. for the Salaries and Allowances to the Of 6cers of the two Houses of Parliament. The following resolution was then proposed:- 614110 U for t*i_ foreign and other secret services of Ids Majesty. Mr. Hums stated, that there remained 33,0001. of the sum voted for this service last year unemployed, and it was quite surprising to him that the exigencies of that department for this year should require such a sum. He regretted very much the extent of it, and Loped that none of it was employed in home ger% ice, except perhaps in secret commissions to Naples and Milan. Lord CASTLKIKAGH said a few words which we could sot hear. Mr. H.►aveT believed it would be found that this item of public expense was always larger in the year of u general election. Mr. HURAISRON was surprised at the character of the remark which he had just heart', when it must be known to the House that there was an Act of Parlia ment in existence commonly called Mr. Burke's Act, which required that every item of this grant should be accounted for, and that three Secretaries of State should declare upon oath that it was expended in foreign service. --(Hear !) The resolution was agreed to. The sum of 25,4061. was granted for civil con tingenciet. The following resolution was then proposed :-- That 6,0001. be granted to the Institution of the Refuge for the Destitute. Mr. Huge objected to the principle of Government interfering in public charities. Mr. BENNET and Dr. LIISIIINGTOM showed, that as this institution was open to the reception of these young offenders, who, if they were not provided fur in this manner, would become a great expense to the country; therefore, is point of fact, the partial main tenance of it was a considerable saving. The latter 4 Hon. Gentleman took that opportunity of calling the attention of Government to the rapid strides of juvenile delinquency id the metropolis, and he would take the liberty of submitting to the House the propriety of creating an establishment to be under their immediate inspection, with a view to the pr:vention of offences • amongst the juvenile classes. reeeletion was then agreed to. A suns of 25,0001. wu then proposed to be granted to the Knights of tlalta and the French Emigrants. Mr. Munn thought, that as the revenues of Malta Wert La a flourishing condition, the charge of main- Wein the Knights should be transferred to that island, from a country whose resources were by no means in that happy state. Mr. ARBUTHNOT stated, that the pensions of the Fcench Emigrants were made for life, as the reward of iterates performed in Toulon and Corsica. The resolution was argued to. A sum of 12,0001. was voted for defraying the supplemental charge of printing for the House of Commons. 21,000!. was voted to the Commissioners far the Kuimression of the Slave Trade. 3,3011. was proposed as an addition to the mo/In temanee of the Civil Establishment of the Bihasna Islands. t In answer to a question put by Mr. BIMIVIIT, Mr.tiocusraw stated, that the Forted* or • the'*- venues of these islands were insufficient to defray tie • • - • 11 THE giA expenses of the civil establishment, and that this sum would be wanted in adilitio Mr. Huma said, dust the amount of the revenue had been determined originJily by !he leirisleurs of the island to rover the expense, of ghat they considered the necessary civil establishment. lie submitted to the Committee the propriety of recurring to the stand ard which the legislators had fixed. Mr. liuut.at.•nN stated. that there had nut been a single sinecure office its the colony. A suns of (tnij was voted for the Civil Establishment of St. Dominica. 10,8001. was voted for the Chß Estahllsbnient of the Go 'moor of Upper Canada. 12,4954. for that of Nova Scotia. 6,7371. for that of New Brunswick, sum applied For. He did hot think that the work' would ever prove useful to the country. Lord &amnia hoped that his Right Hon. Friend would not pledge himself that this would be the last SUM. Mr. Annurtisor said he would withdraw the resolu tion upon this understanding.—Resolution withdrawn. The following sums were then voted :- 61.6131. for defraying the expenses of maintaining and employing convicts at home. 3.1641. for defraying the expenses of maintaining erhahsal lunatics. 13.0001. for defraying the chirps of prosecutions err for ger•, Ile. The resolution for a rote of 40,00 W. to defray the law charges of the year being put, . . . LYNN. for that of Cape Breton. A.. D. W. Maltese - asked how the expense of this 11.6201. for that of Prince Edward's Island. department could have increased from 20,0001., which amet, for that of the island of biewfounutand. it was at last year, to double that sum, at which it 17,00N1. for that of New South %deb. ft,3864. for that of Sierra Leone, was now estimated. A sum of SUMO/. towards defraying the expenses of build- Mr. ARBUTHNOT said that this was easily accounted ing the Penitentiary pouse at Milbank, having been pro- for by the more than ordinary number of prosecutions posed, Sir J. YORKE said it was impossible to avoid noticla which the Crown in that time had undertaken. The g circumstances of the times called for these repeated the extent of the proposed vote, when he considered I proseent• that no less than 6011,041111. had been already expended Mr. llonnocal thonelit the reason assigned by the upon the Institution. Ile doubted very touch the policy of keepicg arch a number of p ers ons i n the Right. Hon. Gentleman only made the items more ex ceptionable. The prosecutions by the Crown were country at all, at the present time who n the popula- f purely political ; and he denied that such a number of lion was inereas• :1 to sucis an alarming extent. He them were necessary. had no hesitation to say that he w o uld, if it were in By increasing such grants the Crown were enabled to keep to themselves all the talent his power, transport every felon out of the country. of the bar, and thus deprive the prisoners of the be- This was his opinion. Hight or wrung there it was. refit which they might derive from it. On the eir- In fact, the increase of felons into this Institution was suits, all the leading Counsel were retained by the so great that it was to be apprehended that in a little ('rown, as he contended, improperly. He thought the time they wonld leave but six penitents in the place. Representatives of the people should not vote away Six penitents consuming 1041,110111. a-piece was a tole- such a sum as 40,0001. to he employed against them ruble burden. He scull Id take the liberty of recurring selves.—(Cries of Order.)--Whatever might he the to ancient history for some assistance on this occasioa, feeling of some Gentlemen in the House, he continued and he would tit upon the authority of no less a per- I to say, he thought the matter of so much importance, sonage than King Solomon himself—a man, perhaps, that he would not only speak, but also take the sense of all Sovereigns, both ancient and modern, the hest ' of the Committee upon it. capable of giving an opinion upon the character of I Mr. Hesaissos wished to know whether the Hon. the sex. That wise Monarch had said somewhere or i Member for Westminster was prepared to say, that all other—(he, Sir Joseph, did not exactly know where)l the prosecutions within the last year were unnecessary. that a virtuous woman nas a ruby. Did, however, thel—(Hear!)—What did he think of the trials at the ' Penitentiary accomplish the talus in of the female cha- ; Old Bailee, at Lancaster, Warwick, and Leicester. If ratter ? On the contrary, lie would take it upon hint 'it was true that these were wantonly or unnecessarily to say, that the leoitents were all ruined there.—Mrs. undertaken, then, indeed, no sum ought to be voted to Fry's penitents were absolutely done up. — ( l Aughter.) the Law Officers. However, if the house of Connuons —He himself knew a lady who had beets rubbed by a approved of them, and thought that the Crown should servant women, whom she had from the Penitentiary— have the means of carrying such prosecutions into effect, " Bless my heart,•' said she, " to be robbed by this it was but reasonable the expenses should be defrayed. woman, and she so strongly recommended from New-1 —(Hear !)—He had reproached Government with un gate."—(Loud laughter.)-11e hoped that some at- ; ikrtaking too many prosecutions; but how often had tempt would be wade to send the felons out of the . the Crown been called upon from the other si ;e to country. have recourse to the law. This was particularly the Mr. HoLroen said, that the araregate expence of case when the new Bills were in progress through the the Penitentiary haul kern, sip to this time, but I House. With regard to the King's Counsel being re -340,000/. He agr..ed with his Hun. Friend as to the . tallied, he asked, was it nut their duty to be on the side proptiety of sending felons out of the country—hut he of the Crown ?—(Hear!)—But it was not the fees to thought that the same puuisloo vat should not be in I Counsel which made up the whole repent*; a good dieted on those uu Ito were considered as meriting a . short period of transportation. I deal was incurred in sutnisioning and bringing up wit nesses. Part of the present sum was intended to make Mr. LocellAßT wished to know bow many peni tents ,up the deficiency of last year, and the other part was might have been sent out of the Penitentiary. certainly with a prospective view to any new occasions Mr. Ifni ronu conl4 not exactly tell; there were which might arise, and which the temper of the tinges qow in 400 individuals, and he hoped by this time did not at all render unlikely. He therefore thought, twelvemonth that th.. would be 7110.-o(laughter) that upon general grounds, the Committee could not after deducting, however, the number who might be adopt the exceptions of the Hon. Gentleman as to the sent out in the course of the year. In the course of increased expence, and if details were wished fur, a last year 30 reformed individuals had been rant out, return would willingly be laid upon the table, to ac and he would pledge himself to the House that not one count fur the application of every item.—(Bear !) of them would ever be heard of again as connected with Mr. Honuouse agreed that the question was en offences. tirely upon the necessity of the prosecutions, and he Mr. LOCKHART objected to the great expellee of the I slid not blame those Members who saw their necessity, establishment, from which the fruit was so stuall a i because they were fur voting so large a summit to defray He thought it a guest subject of complaint, that the the expense of them. He was not in the last Peale good_ aceummodation of the convicts in this establish- went, and therefore had nothing to do with those who meet were i'ill"itelY "I'vrh'r to those of the pour of called open Ministers to multiply prosecutions. If he Lambeth, who had been reduced to misery by the had been there he would not have joined in the cry, great nressnre of the public burdens. for he thought it was taking an unfair advantage of Mr. BENNET protested against the character oldie 6 ns - eminent a t the time.—(Hear !)—He would then, remarks which had fallen from the Hon. Gentleman. as now, object to the principle of these prosecutions. He had the authority of the venerable Howard for From what he saw, be was disposed to give up the , saying, that persons under confinement required more id ea o f di v idi ng t h e Committee ; bat he felt it due to and better food, than persons in the ordinary spheres himself to make his opinions known to his constituents, of life. He thought that the state of that institution and having done that, he would content himself with dill great credit to the tn:inagers of it. protesting against the vote. Mr. LOCKHART disclaimed any intention of treating Mr. D. BROOMS gave it as his opinion, that the the institution in piestion with contumely; but he prosecutions had been undertaken fur the protect' thought he was hound to express his disapprobation of loyal subjects. of a system whien he believed was not founded upon Mr. LOCKHART instanced some cases where the At proper principles. He slid not think that such insti- torney or Solicitor-Generals had not gone the circuit to tuitions were calculated to cure the growth of crime, prosecute, but left it to the Counsel who usually went Some other mode of arriving at this object, such as • them. preventive police, ought to be adopted. Mr. Hominess said, that to all prosecutions these Mr. Rica ROO thought that some improvement might gentlemen were es offirio parties ; and as to the in take place in the system observed in prisons. so far as stances cited, the Learned Counsel employed were respected the admission of persons who sleight see that called the King's Attorneys. With regard to their the prisoners were properly treated. not going the circuit, it was a sort of etiquette fur Mr. Marne!) was sure, that the indiscriminate ad- them to prosecute only in town, but, notwithstanding, mission of persons to the prisons (amid not be content- they received their fees fur all.—(No, no, from the plated. lle never knew that persons having the pro- Ministerial side.) per authority fruits the Secretary of State were refused Mr. D. W. Haevneavithout giving any opinion upon access to any part of the prison. the necessity of so nuany prosecutions, said Ise should Mr. RIVARD() would say for himself, that he was de- be glad to see the account promised, as it would appear nied admittance at this prison. 1 in how many cases the Attorney and Solicitor Gesterals Mr. BENN eT thought it justice to state, that he never ; were employed. He himself had, on a former (ices applied for authority to be admitted into this or other I Sion , stated to the House, that, for 7110 pruseentions 'Hiltons, without experiencing immediate and polite at- in the Exchequer, the Attorney-General received ten tention. guineas each. He thought there was • justice in Aftfr a few trot ''s from the- Loan Mayon, which we the observations of the Hon. Member for Westminster, could not hear, the resolution was agreed to. as to the best talents of the Bar being engrossed by 21,000!. were then voted to defray the expeeses of I 1 the Crown to the prisomoa ; for it was a practice, as the Establishment of the Penitentiary at Milbank. I soon as any man was beginning to distinguish him-, Mr. AIIUTTIINOT said, he had next to move for a self in the profession, to hold out the bait of a silk grant towards defraying the expenses of perfecting the i gown : and there were few instances where the tempts- Caledonian Canal. Ile said, according to the estimates, I don failed. As, therefore, the silk gown was sup-, Ithe sum of 1i11,001 , /. would fully complete this great I posed to be time reward of merit, and as a sort of ad. ' work. Of that sum, however, he would now only ask j ventitions importance was given it in the eyes of. f a grant of 15,1100/. Jury, the prisoner could not have the benefit of a Lord Aurnosur bee.ged *to remind the Committee* King's Counsel unless he paid 101. in the first iattanair that the year b..fore last, a pledge had been given that . for a dipetsaation from the Crown. "nu more Oulu 25,0001. would be asked for the cote- The resolution was then agreed to. pleting of this woe:. The following same were then voted : ' Sir H. PARNELL thought it best to have the whole &SOUL for the National Vaccine Establishment. sum voted at once, and let the work he concluded. Ile HMV. 17s. I. for prime*/ the Ads o f the two Pease. oHorses thou 4ht it a u'orkonwitsteit with great skill and success, gPemimet. w merlieet for the see of Sheriffs the delleionoy o f th e expense,p ti c* aeits e t es ortelast ' lied *Wild prove one Of gnat national utility. ‘of veer in the seam department; also for printing Bills IN the Mr. Aitivr-rallo r teas willing to assent to the sag- h ouse - of Lords. ion% of liming the whole sutu voted at once. I g - e stl 1.411111. Its. 4d. to supply the dadeleney of the expense for i Mr. Mull speed to the. course euggested, hot he printing the Votes of the Sesaioa of 1919. had his tippratt:nslons that this would nut he the last ; taw/. for pr imi ng the v o t es of a m presen t gassier,. ►TE 1.111911. tor the deSeleasy of 1910, for priming the 74th TO llama of the Joann Ls. 3.3001. for printing 1,780 copies of the 76th volume of t tit Journals (for year 1010). ft.76.W. for the deficiency of 1619, for printing the Bilis end Votes of the Commons. 111.0001. for printing Bills of the present Session. 3.1001. for printing the Journals of IMO. 9.0v01. to the American Loyalists. 6.1661. Ss. 4d. as Superatureations In the Public °lice.. 79,793.1. for the Fee Funds in the departments of the Ltd. of the Treasury and pricy Council. 83.018/: for the contingent expenses of Messengers in the Ogees of the three Secretaries of State, the Lords of ipe Treasury, and Lord Chamberlain. Mr. Hums observed. that 38,0001. had been paid to foreign messengers alone; and 100,009 L to defray the amount of bills drawn fur New Soi4th Wales 1.: 1820. The House than resumed ; the report of the (emu. mittee was brought up, and ordered to be taken it:lo consideration on Monday next. The Demise of Property Bill, Quarter Semions A p peal Bill, and Landlord and Tenant Bill, were read a second time.--Committed fur Monday. Reports of the Committee of Supply, and New South Wales Act, were brought np. The Loan Bill went through a Committee. The King's Bench Bill was read a second time. — Committed on Tuesday. I lie Watch and Ward Bill was re-committed. .4 clause was added, excepting Quakers from serving JA Special Constables. 'I he Union Duties Bill went through a Committee Ordered to report on Wednesday. A Report on the Excise Duties was brought np i ar.d a Bill ordered to be brought in. A resolution on the Sugar Bounties Acts recent mended to continue the sawn. NAVIGATION OF THE MEDWAY.—Upon the motion of Sir 6. 6tautes a select Committee was ap pointed to inquire into the state of the navigation of the Medway, and report what improvements might be made in Roehester Bridge. MAI I. COACHES IN IRELAND.—Mr. S. COOPER moved for a return of the number of mail coaches car rying more than four passengers in Ireland, and whether tkey carried them by contract or by permission of the eIIINSCE OF THE POPULATION.—Mr. D. (iim ■saT obtained leave to bring in a Bill to ascertain the numerical amount of the present population of Great Britain. The lion. Gentleman stated, that the prupu'ed census was to be on the same principle with that taken twenty years ago, and which distinguished the popula tion by specific classes, the better to ascertain its in crease or diminution. The Hon. Member afterwartiA brought up the Bill. Mr. Hosts thought it advisable that the operation of it should be extended to Ireland. Mr. C. GRANT said, that a measure of the same dc• srription, which had been proposed four years ago. with respect to Ireland, was new in the course of tieing put into practical effect, and therefore it would he un necessary to act uppn the suggestion of the lion. Member. The Bill was then read a first time, and order. d to be read a second time on Monday next. Wats moved for certain accounts relative to the Territorial Debts of the East India Company, dor. n to the latest period that they could be made out.— t)r dcred. Iln the motion of Mr. C. °RANT, the papers relaiive to the Irish Miscellaneous Estimates were ordered to be printed. tiREENLAND WHALE FISHERY.—Mr. LUTH tswrox brought in a Bill for continuing in force PC veral Acts relative to the encouragement of the Green land Whale Fishery•.—Read a first time, and ordered to be read a second time on Monday.—Adjourned. LAW INTELLIGENCE. • . —mor.-- COURT OF XING'S BENCH, Warming-reit, Jumr W. ISDITIOUS .1111.5. The SOLICITORAINNIMAL prayed the judgment of the Conn upon a person named Charles Whitworth, who had been convicted of having signedand.circidated sn inflammatory and seditious pnidicatmon, enti " Au Address from the Union Society of Birmingham to the People of England." The Learned Counsel said he wonkl reserve any comments upon this libel until he had heard what the defendant had to offer in extenuation. The defendant being called upon, put in an *Nide% it in mitigation of punishment, in which he confessed he hail signed the address, but he denied that he was the author of it. lie expressed contrition for having cir culated it, pleaded that he was guiltless of any bad in tentions, and threw himself entirely upon the mercy of the Court. lie also said he had a large and helpless The SOLICITOR-OEN SR A L observed, that the explana tion given by the defendant was by no means justificatory. ifis ignorance of the import Of the pnblication was inadmissible, for he was a school mater, and the Court should also be apprised of the faestof his being Chair man of this Union Society. Under oil these circum stances, he hoped their Lordships would see the necessity of making an example. The Court deliberated for some time, and then Mr. Justice HAT Lar, after *suitable admonition, pronounced its sentence npon the defindant, which was, that he was to be imprisoned laths gaol of Warwick for six months, and then to find snredes for his good conduct for two years, himself in 2010. and two in 601. each, and in the mean time to be confined until such sureties were per fected. The defendant, upon leaving the Court, observed that it would be quite impossible for him to find the required • securities. Time Court was occupied the remainder of the day in hearing motions for new trials, not one of which possess ed any general interest. Among the Bilk which remedy received the Royal assent, is that for panishieg the drivereefstage coaches and other carriages, for accidents occaislomed by (belt. miseskahtet. A MIANag • Weems/ft L Esq. of a 4aagliiior. BIRTHS. , Os hloaday last, is lakaradUly, dio Lady of CNA. Froths- ise, 0( Daiwaßs, Caresrthenshire. of a ass. Os Widow/day last, at Itsasted, the Lady fsr Wis. Day, Sae. of a &tighter. Jean is. at flt. Junes Clunk Polar Raw Eq. of De- merara. to Randy. third classifier of (lord" tut. of Abardsia. Abardomihire. Di esugewthi cEO. 0161, 4 0 re m„ La Os Lamsis al Mrs. .wi . Sodoaat Lose. . . At Aberdeen, es tick lutist, at. plithllla 44 elf Oi, Jobs Abs..A BK. torsserft jelaiwilii lt that city. . • c. • Mil • :• ; f% i