The Statesman. — London, England, 1823-04-30 00:00:00

. . . showing the Sovereigns assembled there, that war Was° not a question of European policy, bntoqe which ooly affected two countries—France and Spain. But how, did we succeed ? Certainly not by violent aid !Mew perate language, hut by firm eel manly remonstrance. The question then was, whether, untlee,the stances, we were to give up the hope of wearing peace, or make the last attempt to prevent hostilities between those countries. He would contend, •that if there was the Slightest hope of averting war, by an attempt at re cauciliation, it , was rnr duty too wake it, llor (night we, in this qnesoion, to overlook the interest* of France, •as a constitntion toonarehy. ife did not stand thereto . liitslieste the alt of floe French thwernment, but lie would say, that to maintain a constitntional monarchy in Crance, with the present fauidy 011 the throne, was a ;natter in which we were, in no sight degree, interested. 'Wu had oleo b-en j •ahoos of the noose of Bourbon, and might spin he au, but it did net follow on that account that ~e should wish to see France, thrown into a state of agitation. That Was not ihe way in „hid e he . thought the ietpert of gllftiand i'aff to lie proototed. lie inair4intyl that it was our duty to Look to the interests of France as Well as to those et: Spin. S:oaiii, ti quote the language of the Minister, had roily asked us to use the " pen of conciliatiou," and he believed Fr.,tice to have been sincere in the desire she repressed to avoid war. His Majesty's Ministers hail been reproached fir havine advised Spain to nos dify her iostitutious. if Spain lied VA *lnflict( for the mediation of Bugle.* they wont! Sot have been justifiol in doing so; huts heu two Powers were, opposed to each other, and neither seemed dispmed to make any • coneessaMo, what was a third Power to do when asked; f.r its mediation, but say that there was something. oo whirls concession must be made? His Majesty's Ali; misters told Spui n, that she ought to concede nothing if called npian to do so by threats on the part of Frauee ; but at the ca Oft tune that site tuig! ,. , threogh our lo terpnsition, utak.. concessions withZtut aim prejudice to is .1 . •national fs:shoar. They had 'never yet a:sde : o4d the principle. which saute persons tletliirqd 44 the King . of Fra nce's speech—namely, that all power we. birthing Mote than so much Waite paper, unless coming, directly from the ist.omsecla This was a monstrous pro position, ant tine which struck at the root of the Bri tish Coustitattion. —(Clseers ). Gentlemen sail that tiM vernment were greedy deceived in • the whole of the proceedings. It amid nut be denYkol . that the ; un d ue;. of France excited. sone s u rp rise same them, but it was a little too nitteh tq elstege the Britistkilluterst4-4 with being at sea on the suture, wlieu; the Fierielsgm mernenent changed their minds from day in day with respect to it. Couvinced as he was that it 'tray the po lio. of this Gov.eroturut to avoid war, ant. that no rows° co .1.1 have b. en better for the purpose than that which they had pursued; toisvincs4 also as he was that the feeling of the country was with themes, lie anti- Opted that the binge would reject the prufrused Ad &mem, and not cousin the lioverstuteet to piddle eon demnatinu fur nut having deieutle,l the 1141.0af and in. terest of tie country.—Leuil cheers.) Sir Jl, MACKINTOSH said. that he rose Muter the 'p rehension of not having bodily strength to submit to the j I rouse the observations which pressed upon him. as relating I to this suOlnentous question. lie therefore looked for snore of the indulgence of the !louse t..an usual, eltiMugh he had I et all times reason to thank them for a very lirkeldtsre. Thwightte did not agree In the despitches which Is id been laid hefore`the flonse, nor in the defence which had 'been I smote oC them, aide as it was. he coald not refrain from congrattdrine the House of Com:noes upon that COMM , )Istae of opinion whir!' pervaded all sides and all parties. lit reprobation of the etrecious and.unprloeipled aggression of Freres upon the onoffending people of Spain. —(Cheers.) ThrilohOuvalie Lrcracsi Csentlesnsn tilers eulogised the sentiments expressed by the Members for Yorlighlre, Lon eon. and Brausber , es regarding the conduct of Era*, mid strongly eondemeted the dse of feeble lariguige and mrailered , terms when men had to speak of acts Sae thee/Filets' which the House had hero called on to deliberae. 'lt was to the degradation of tills country that stronger !Montage hid' not been used to the Allied Sovereigns, in remonstrat lug against the unprincipled acts which had been nsedl toted, and were now attempted to be carried into execu tion. lie was shocked to see the document, which bore a name so enlightened as that of the Right Honourable Gent., speaking of an atrocious violation of the indepenienee of nation!, as " sn assumption of unnecessary respousibi lity." It was the same es to declare that picking a pocket was a slight error of juigment. and that to commit murder in the present state of the laws of Brighter!, was to assume an unpleasant responsibility.—(A laugh.) This language might do for the drawing-rooms of Vienna. but It was not • suing for the ears of the plain rustle Msquives, andthe homely. Bargemen% who represented the people In that House.---(A laugh.)—lle hoped they Would contrive to retain that plainness and homtlioess, together with the indignation ahich those fecliegs.and mauners would imply. at such len ewe as Ministers had thought proper to use upon such suk occasion. There'd question now for the House to consider. as it had been well put by the Hon. and 11.-:arned htensbg, for Lincoln, was not what was to be done by time country • sow, but what Ministers ought to have done in February and March. The pretended supporters of peace had used so sassy fallacious arguments in the course of their speeches, teat, as tise real friend of peace, he thought it necessary to expose their weakness and contradiction. They first Said they would not assist Spain because she was divided; and then, to support some other views of the question, they maintained that our assistance was unnecessary, because Spain eonld repel the aggression herself; and that the suc cess of France was impossible. How this was t 6 be recon ciled, turwould leave it for then to explain. It was said also that we were never to interfere where there was a di sided gauntry. He should like to know in what part of our history this doc!rine was to be found? Was it in the inter fereaceot Elizabeth In the war in Flanders? The next ob jection was, that our interference would make the war pope hr in France. Oh I. wise and magnanimous Charles the Se cond!—why did he go to war in the Notherlends to make the war popular in Spain? Why did Godolphin and Marl borough defeat the armies and wound sod humble the pride rk France,'and yet be so short sighted as not to see that they were making the war popular. Those who sup ported the conduct of Government in the course they bad taken, argued the question as if thorn :Was no coons between the feeble and degrading language which hail been used, and that of violence and a de elasatiou of war. The Right Huo. Chancellor of 'I tbe,Eusitetiner had said that the Note of the late Mar cum of Londonderry, in answer to the circular of .the Allies, contained a strung protest, and that to refer to tires was :efficient. In this part of time question there was sonselitiog quite ludicrous ; for, in 'proportion as . the necessity for firmness increased, and the objection able sets because stronger, our language grew weak and feeble. The first comumnicatioa to the Allies was a elissuasise Irmo a projected act, and that be would allow was well reasoned, and pretty strongly expressed.— But when these sets came to be carried into effect, our .ty remonstrance was an obscure allusion to the loniser doenasent. But in p •int of feet, our first o;sst had. been tr e ated aith negi-et and iumlt.— Blomm the Allies occupied Italy, it was upon our ex ception, hot upon. titeir awe ptioriple. Yet after this we were to attend a Congress of the same Sovereigns at Verona. anti not say one word, either in ressiersarstrce, or as a declaration of principles. It was said that this liuserameut did Dot. kilos, the object of tie Congress of Verona to be thediscus.ion of the:drain of Spain. Then. oar orgociator appeared • th. re under an affront, is not hazing been issforsursl of the object, anti he, too, one of the most illastriotts characters of time age. Yet. even after this, offended national pride was not reough to tome them ,fretat their imensibility. A considerable tithe ago he. put a question to Isis RigAst Ilustoureble Fri,nd, in elsich he expressed * hope % Gag.). tlissoesorie lions would he emotocred egon the bettokot SPAM OatiMi• al independence, the in.intettance this balrsee.of pow er. the I faith of treaties, sad with an adherence to the of ct. 5* ou ,ta► intl. lan pets ra4Y 'lets r.-"' far Nun• Auks cti "sat I qei) +.,- .-, . .. . . ..... . tinware of the best time of MIT ltietofy. , It new 114 e. pietred * that toalisteln from violating *the independence ornations Walsall that hid bees done,ted that tbe biker* :•of.poWer bad, never . been Mentioned or. thought of: Us id net net argue with, as, 04 who would asir that, the ooropug o p a Spain by Fridee''wataill not destroy the ibplettei of power" in • Europe. ' Wit h those soblime poll 41eilans, Who *aid, that lien Europe were ender one lle nese meet, it could, net athwt. the interests of this country,. Isetbeill niteltieg in evenpion, Mislaid habits of thinking, retained huh far within that point if refloeilphilosoPhy. Ilie Hoinerrible Member for toile (:ask had adopted this proposition, and he could opt help se:miring the' youthful ardour and vigour with which be embreced. Very pared x. which fell into Ida kande. Notwithstand ing the Phi ropliera of Coffe Untie, however; be cc 'con tended that t e bklance of power was nroonary to be pre-' served, and that it would be most effectually destroyed If France obtained possession of Spain. When be &Am ' his tprptions of the Right lion, bleotlensau, he had 'aid that, hr expressed his hope tint the corithicl.oftitip coon tyy mould be sipdhir to that followed in the best titian 4 the country. To see Whether this' was the case, let, t g it lat ia t i o n, the i g a rat iw al 4 trefon supportedl i n n ii "I :6 i i . e ll i e- ° J . Stott:smelt itirl 6toper'eAs who succeeded h i m. le s.4 l. te . OM 1 1.0)1.1 ape accepeton of the Bourbons to . the Threat of gpain, ‘'.ll?Ci. had been the natural all:y e :rind proteetor' Of the kingdom of Pur:itgeli. The rival Mons of I,tonr bap wild Austria were her protectors, anti the Hu s e of. % even reiin;din peacetul security. But: as soon as t power of Frattee becamp Enc.-silent iii Sinai , , she aetacke.l Poringol to Induce her to declare war pillar , gal Lind : and that on the eaknoWledged pretest that her Idiom i . an in Europe dewindealli. This'wee tin &allow. he lielies'e !, that ever a Keograpltical cidllli of war ifii openlypuf forth. Tbreutiines wat Puituktintcailiestlattta , inanner..and tiiice.t t iuses she resist ed with an hettdcllde lity Retinae net to ha 'cqtialled, ceetaii!)Y liver to bestir 'V*, in th e annals of Kurvee. Now What'ilas the ' 'cianduct to mar faithitil Ally, Obeli the time of leer' peol inns COM.? . Was there any real assurance ' Of bit 'safetyin the papers before, the Boon? lie denied' it; and he could demonstrate tbatt ere ayes none lb this poet of their n:goeiatiorts, 4: i Uhatearthilin f, ah.f.X. deVil i lek ? .44 slither; . coesi la4i . ii addrep:, l'hi'whele Of then assurances with iejesed. le Perteyal only referred to the time while the itrug,of oheeevaitori remained neon the frontier. The nionnut the army entered Spain,those ~ anuramers held no longer. We had therefore done ab.so• 'lately nothing fur that friendly Power which bat been tutee, times destroy,el, or been upon the brink of destruc thin op oar account. Thus it was in the land of super stition and ignorance, that .honour aud OJelity were to be found; anti in the conortry of reason and liberty--; falsehood and dishonour. The moment Frillier possessed the same power over the Frent:h railt of Spans, that moment "mold t li ti Saute scene' he an ted Over akain.-!7 Therefore, the only means which they" liett orprereatiwg it, and of discharging the heavy debt which they o w ed. to their ancieht and most faiiiittilAar,w . ,..s resistance to the attack upon Spain . H in. The eiteerable and' Learned Member then alluded to a condilendil tette - rot Cyril Ninth's, I of which he hid obtained I Copy,' refilliiroVo i plot for Ilanding a French force in Ireland at thii' Gans' witen the French and Spanish fleets entered the*Cheneel, to establish • ' the Dekede Elie-Janne, a deicer:darn of the Stuarts; hides I . governtopt of that country . 114 epic:tided by expressieg hie were% hopes for the 'personal safety of King Ferdinand. Next to his own King. there was not another Watimltio lbok led to ;flit) so much anx.ety. lie 'wfstithl Adel to live rid. 'Warmed 'through the veins of the errantry,' that his safty Imight go down to future ages as the eternal monument of toe nidderition and forbearance of the Spanish nation. . Whether their Constitution should exist, and give liberty and happiness to generations yet uobarn, or whether it siniula'fait, it would at least have the glory of setting ana -1 I &male worthy of tine repent people that eyer Peed upon 0? face of the world. IWO, naldat of tftql,r glorious straggle' they had' been opposed by fraud , treachery, and deceit ; whilst to tnew enemies they had been nierelfel,—:forgiving, .eittiost to bliudness.—(Great cheering!)—tie should say that he eicnoet misled th;. illustrious Arguelles Ip hie suffer- Inge in the cause of his country and of freedom; be was sure he envied him in his talents and Ids 'eloqlence; but tbost of all be envied him In that exalted feeling which led him to treat with forbearance, with respect, sod even with delicasy,—that Sovereign who had sent him to toil as a pri vate soldier in a miserable fort, beneath the burning sun of Africa.—(Loud cheering.) Mr. BANKES explained • Mr. Secretary PEEL said, that standing as be did in the, situation of a party, to whom the question before the Howie' was a criniiiiatory resole,ion, he felt that eager, and, he trusted, laudable anxiety, to advance his plea of not guilty to the charge. After Mu admirable and unanswerable de fenie of his Right Honourable Friend, the Chancellor of the Exchequer, he should, however, be well content to leave the question in the hauds of the House. That defence, he must say, had not been shaken or touched by the speech of the Honourable and Learned Gentleman who had just sat down. He must take leave to examine the nature of that egeepla and with no exception of ate titillates, during which the Honourable and Learned Gentleman Contended that a more dignified course of remoustrahce should have been taken. He would ask the House, whether the whole argument advanced was not in favour of a declaration of war ?—(!tear, hear). it appeared that an Honourable and Loaned Gentleman was wilting to support tho motion whe ther the question turned on go.ng to war or not. Did the , honour and interest of the country require war I He should answer—N.3. Did the voice of the people of Hogland re rlie* war?—(Hear, hear.)-,No. Did the Spaniards require this country to .4o to war. lie answered—No. if neither honour, interest, nor trestles required war, was it compe tent to eritnioate the Government on such grounds. It real ly was too Medi to !near an Honourable and Learned 6,n -tisane blame the speech of his Honourable Friend, the member for Corfe Castle. His Hon. Friend had not asked, 1 whether the balance of power would be increased by the ag gression of France onSpaln, but whether tae balance of pow er would be deranged by any increase to the power of France. He might ask say man to answer by common calcu lation, whether It was probable France would succeed in the wart Spain was divided inelevers parts, and it appeared ten millipus were against the pretsein invasion of France, an I avtl i y one million for it. Was it possible Frnnet roahl metntain military occupetiou of the Peniusulu? Detested by ten milliMis was it possible, even with the occupati o n lof Cadiz, Ferro l,' and et:retina, France would make her gpoqurnt secure? The Hon. and Learned Oetifleinan hid appealed to the conduit of Oulu priiitittit,o, mune! oAug upen which the Minister iii the present' dap' Were to be criminated. l'Vhi 6.1 Elizabeth isiterfere in the dimensions of foreign countries? Why 11)d iriffebedi lend her assistance to the Flemings? Nut oPoil imp 'air stract principle, bat because it was the intern t of Hop land to oppose Spain- They had been told Kliaals ' etls are.ted against despotism, and that slie derived adventUge front the upposittua ails ()tiered to deipote. No such Wog : queen Itlis ibpth was ranch t.es espied!, mech too.wise, to einba4k her country jig a war of principle: It was *trimly, the interest of the country to eptiage itt a war &gaud Philip the Second. li wos not until the recall of the Duke of :ilea: not uotil eighteen trioneeniloisjeefe I of spaie if) the Low .;.toti e tries lia.l .been brought to the a:Phi se: not until toe appoietment id Dye dation efi Aastri a—th at (lime Elisabeth adciippett A ri )*".ois4guiti. mu.l sent an army to Flistuleis. She look as a bet pricy .0 1 r 0 * tow. B o in 41 0 440 P;l4ri 4 1 irt It wars 43 aborts the Interest of ling land, and notulog b 4 #4 l At.emill , W induced her to oppose Spuio: 11; same indorpeegg i t ,bn traced to the proceedings c ir the . R-11?Ur!Itille 1 Mai Learned (iefitkAP 41 hW ..., ip .the Mips of ' , troilism Ilia Aune.—lt Mt) AO , n !used tton't hecaase 4,e' p °prised the iovrhon of Stall la .41s4eiti . te,te; 9# o country oat called upon at die presept dap t 44 . peree r'rouce. !ieouill,* spar ttlieth,er - L t le C.lfttniptteitcf Lwere ,sinailer to.tbuse in tip I . w pr . llutptpsttrcelektePttift t W i l new were ready to take . poliartioa.. qt ti4l . .elekefry--, 'ipaiu was now a divided country, awl tioce would . . . . . . . God the greats iflienlty in ptemotingher views: Veal& an'it ttlitlettsn stew there *as 7e f' danger to Portal, which made it necessary to go to war. He wie.lntoefftlaere titia no reason cciaiing at that time for war osacouol of Porturia If "Portugal .was attaches, thii entry Would 'he randy to discharge her 4)144101On. ' Face lead riceived a.snrances that Eiwr laild'teeold reset the obligation, and delie egmatenced lie attack, Parimen' and the country would most seyea lonely enable le Maj , sty to discharge the obligatio n.— 9 1 . could not I;cortilder the course of debate:4lld the lippeachmenfolloWninenf • most 'extraiardinarit. Oath' :eine" mist hinpriant (iterations had been submitted for discussion, nattily, whether the policy this country main taniedeloring ,ie nego, iationa was calculated to meet Leonthe ieteveit of* country : lie might ask whether Pie s pew of gata i kwas the onto-eat of England ? and, eel' illy, if the ;ace of Europe was disturbed,.wheilme it was not Our ingest to preserve the peace of England P IThose queativ must be ao.avered in the atfirmadve, sad conseptemix i win desirable to ioaintain'a mediatorial position, *loci:might' provide mole secnrity against the tisittlitat•il attic of ll'tance oh Spain. The single Twee lion on which le supporters of the motion ciliated, was one of dpgree ;namely, whether : or no the tone of 'Bar : Miiister dorin the negotiation teas no sub Missive. , Ms lion. &leaser for Whtminster ha I declared' Isitdielf se idvoc . ate 1' tat *ar of liberty opined despotiona• ;He' for one shoeldleplore the hour when England ever en.' tees iato sack: aver. %t By eame time he protesteal_ as mock as arty nuncoldil, egarst ill; dectrine of the HolY Alliance to toirect . .the intermit affairieff foreign nations. . Hi hail eertaiuy supported the policy wooed by a late Noble Edna with respect to Ditties, but those proceed inga were egohrtsbed on a prinewledifferent from that On which reaoce invadlii the Spanish t4ritory. He consi der-4 it 'too* neeess try to Make that statement, *taiga hltriiiiipmefits with respect to the Occupatio% of Naples had Vitus adverted so by a F.retsch •Alinister. ' M. Vlstateaahrianda in detailing die policy of Franco, made it appear, that be (.tlr. Secretary Pei) had &stared his opi wee that site interference of AgitilaintlotheiNwers in trig affairs of Naples was justified. He eirtiiiirde; liverei that opinion; and it elideopear to him . that Aus tria Was justified. The French Militate, drawing an in (errs" from that opinion. said if site ti•ivernment of Ellefitil.. cossideri-d Austria jdatified in kat attack on .Naple7, they toast also think France right in her ait.sek on SOL To that'' inference. he email not accede. " He rends 'sot see snliscieut jostifiration in the ag,tresiion of Pcopeo Tie o tiose of revolution in Naples and the re-S volotito ip Spatn, were different. In Naples they called for on the King ,• a Constitution. He said, allow right days lir contiideiation, The mai) attack. 4 the King in his neeei, stil sail they would have it in twentY:four hours. Tie obj•clof that revolution was the derange went 0 . all Itady,, asd Austria was justified in guarding against tlip dac - try. No friend to , pain would regard the reershitsourthere, as hearing the chaeacter of the retro talon It Napleil; and lie bad no hesitation in derlaritiir that Olt invasion of SPsia.was an act of aggression on the pain of Franc'e.—(Rear, hear. hear. ) —An Hon. Mem ber haideclared himself the advocate for war of a pecu liar .4.4iete . r. The Ilit:t. Metubeestinulil not eerie land ,war, hit a naval war. The Hoe. Member thought Ilia bulk shps were liable to decay in ordinary,. and if ilry were seat to sea, the country would not be Dutch tbp ! loser. sic was not disposed to differ with the" Hon. Oen ! . i tlein;in is to the e neuse of such a war ; bit some iiiilPl catty Would ariselit pelsiiading* Prance to keep np le. 'naval seer. What would the flea. Gentleman gain by iil Marititie war? What . could be done in aid of Spain by i a in tritine war? What could be the repult of !inch a , war? the itaitiorible Member . thought they @Ogg ' 'succeed in thevaotiiie of MartTnione, I t-Vali - the attar, 'and war would' be no mote. The Ton. and iwirned "tientletaan had said Ministers might have, told France that if they attacked Spain they would have to inert the puke of Welliegton on the arena; but therptestion was, whether we were prepared to carry threats into execw "don. If War was necessary, the country ought to go to war; bat to use threats without - the intention to support high language, would only laic.; upon the country eon tempt. In the course of the negociations there were three distinct features. The Congress of Verona, Lord Wellington's return to Paris,and the speech of the King, with the subsequent events. It was truly said by the Hon. Member fur Ilramber, that they ought to bear in mind all the circumstances under. which the despatches were written. Was it intended to criminate the Govern ment for the I ingtmge in these despatches? His Right . Host-Friend had 'hewn, through the whole of the lan guagagled to the Allied Powers, that England consi dee eel herself separated from those Powers. What was die language held at Verona ? M. Montmorency said in hi e d e spatch—" If England had not separated herself from the Congress at Verona, the measure in contempla tion for the amelioration of Spain would have proceeded. That was the admission of ,France—what was the opi nion of Spain ? The despatch of M. San Miguel, dated the 12th of January, complained of the part .taken by England. He !Witt, " Will England not give effect to the principles she ptofesses ?" At that moment Spain., was sot aware of the part taken by England. The coin-, plaint was. that Spain was oat apprized of the part Eng-' 1 land liartalten,but when she did kaou the part Hike. by England, wia she dissatisfied? On the ffith of Dec., M. San Miguel said, " We are Imre of England, aad se.' tiafied with her peace." He Might also call the attention of the House to the opinion of Spain, delivered by San Miguel, as to mediatory course to be taken by Eng land. It was Bill :—" There is certainly nothing at pre sent to indelce us to ask for such mediation ; but we are all at sea. surrounded by dangers, and we may want a friendly hand." There was no proof of the dissatisfac tion of Spain. An Hon. Gentleman had alluded to crooked and straight lines, hut he was ready so contend that his Right Hon. Friend had preferred a right line, of taking the course which became a British Minister, avoiding the two extremes, which might endanger the li a t e rests of the eountry. His Right lion. Friend would hour at the end of the debate the conscious 'atilt , :Non of hiving performed big duty, and the approba- lion of allinaderate men.—(ilear.) He (Mr. Secretary ' Peel) then adverted to toe mediation, and observed that nothing speared in that transaction,'but a friendly de sire to infinite% &manner advantagions to Spain. He asked, w t Wei to he gained by agreeing to the motion? Was Uri' t,'irti a question on welch Feriae had binned , its decisi , "tpinion, that the Mime of Cougnoni should Condemn the policy of the British Ministers. Strict , neutrality hat been most desirable. After the conflicts' of the last toenty-four years arict neutrality was the bent coarse fin this country, whilst it could be preserved With honour. The Government bail acted in support of i the Interests tf the eisontry, and notwithstanding the prop:ll66li seloatted 6y the Iton.li-ntleinan, they would. d o utetiess enlattbi'approbatioa of the nation, tool public confidezce. . s , ' . . Sir P. uxtieterr agreed with the Right Honourable liMitleanisi uliolad jot sat dome, that id order to take a, ~.4,.,,,,t g i rl ; a . 4itionitlehOt was In:ttrr to West Causes and circumstance. Ii- cogid• nut but e xpress his s o s . faction that the ;enteral tinatihnity of tentidient tegpvet- ' ins the sigreaan of France nos not broken by the.', Right Wk. Ocoleinan. It had oocurred to hint that the (tight lion. Sextary 'night have rat deed the opinion of the roialtczt lf trance which w.ol eaprei,ed on a, formic clay :vowing Aor i tria, and N ,plea. It was a sii• ' tiS *Lai 612 to Ands least i general feeling in Best Maar on tke earociOus ooduct sit France: He admitted with • the Blidtt lieu. lentliana i n that it eras not tit to deterad p eh% . leklACilll paths. pap , rs. They ought take atm -41.041,4, f ► hr.heo general. Yiew. . After there bad Vega so nisch =Quiet& on' thelnibjec-, anti the papers 'had beiia Witty tlitsaidoed; . &ire Was litresposta fet , Mithraest Oh the•gthrattolv.• • Thi Hoe. tlentWidirseivei `Aide tie usOtad baaiiide i sbudd *aliment, 'atattbisitti •so mach had been said; it Would ill become bidet° . gd ever Whale again.' He sltobld' meld otie . bitinielf to a dew epliseivitians On the topics dr,the liigghYtlonpisYable Bendel:had who bed just sal down.' On' that which to ik ,:pliteit at Verona; h 2 should meet the Right. Hon; 4.10ni1e.: man re lioniis'e, and say there dyes in that transaction rmieti thus enough to all on the head of a Minister the deniers of thtt House; The Minieter Way *eked *he tieY the ginF of Enelabil would eithdraer hl Anibas 'Cador, 'acid give up to Fan& the adept of hertivoral authority. They_ asked. ; him . what Orem* - lopport he we:Ada give to Fratiesillt the • g reat intretition• of her • nieistires." If AMU' tiestiose hail.leen answered;' beeline as EngUidi 'Midair" to iittetet. the Ur/paws would havi ; Merril tbe*reelinge ofindignitiod *doer: Mined by die country uponledli proportitfoniC He kfalw . not whether it was prudent to inakeriterhe restik iiceitalialy was Shit Ahla' ditty oflifiellteri 'abandon the high spirit of tbireditnfil. lAtif nOttanetd•ild With the quistiob. 'ft 'pled have 'been lad • Etifand never ten givi consent to proPridtlein"hf Net' It is nut possible England can give her motal asp art iii Such a nteditat, d act of laggiettsion, and so N' WO her thriving any ehutal "oppairt Irma England; still *urriet herself hound so turd v her moral Weight Lott tliVsattief agile; Third Wet a line of proceeding sflort of war, which would have saved the (fleetly ancituoial character of the country from being pat into the mate in wet h it 'then stood: They shotild have: said, "we must take these steps witliOut . trasisg ress;eig the strict line of ueo trail ty which May cnnineract your design", and wiciltfyou are deter Mined on this 0410113 purpose we mast Withdrew our Amba'isatine We will do all that is not a breirch . of neutrality." litech a line of proceeding Violla have been' more cousistent with the character of England, IX Would have town a check to the detestable protect of Wellington, Fran e ,;, f i c i p i r e c i i i h O l e n i t y le c e o n n r t e l y e ed st a i s la w , 61,1 r that e r % e vu o f taking on herself . unnecessary responsibility. The Pa ' pees made the Ministers appear particle:retie of Bourbon injustice, and seducers of Spanish honour, because they wide propositions 'Which Spain maid not give op;witie Outteeerreeder of brinour. It was to attempt t•in 1 nee Spain to give up her t 'onstitetion, not foe a dvdr:tag..., because there was no k roof that the Carldnet of the Toil lents would alter their polity. The English uteirat• r Dever give them any reason to ,repose that if Spaiiegave • up leer Constitution, sheasould leicure' herself aisles' the dart Beer which threatened her; The Dake of W e llington Might see well in the firld.'but lee *is blinder thin a mule to the faults of tleiiee he called leis Mends. Wei there nothing in the conduct of Perdituted the Seeterb to excite suspicion? De who ebsgraCed his mother, h, - trayed his father, and when lee came back to the Theme, murdered his defenders. It was spite impossible scot to see there was not hope of fair dealing with that party.— It Was difficult to believe the Ministers of thb (mute? had act, al eith good Nth. If they lead been the accom plices and not the dupes of the French , th e y could not have teen greater enemies to the'Spanierds. Fogiand never was in . More danger than •Wbett the Bourbon's Ir.; railed Spain. rtlic act of atrocity could succeed, *Civil ised Europe might bow to oppeestien. All would lie lose, add gnglaud become " A wilderness again— : Peopled by wolves—its old inhabitant.." Never was the indc penitence of Europe menared.en sin lenly. If France should suceeeil in.the siihjug l etiou of Spain, would this country remain in peace? It would not he possible to avoid a scar of the worst character. France in possession of Spain and Funnel, would in crease the influence of Despots in holy ethane', whit would be West' anxious to surround and subdue our ielanil. France lead no right to keep an army sill the frontier to menace Spain, and the English 'Minister should have been the last to justify the existence of such an tinny. England, however, appeared to have ne voice upon the subject. The great Lord Chat hata once said, sword should not be drawn in Europe without the know ledge of England. The Ministers of the present day did not wish to have any cootroul over a State in Abe very act of employing hostile forces to strike insidiously at her best and dearest interests. War was unquestionably an evil of the greatest magnitude; but there was such a tthiog as oatiorialhonour, which ought M be upheld at all events. He considered national honour lebe sacri ficed by the course pursued by Ministers. Never before, since England was England, would this country have tamely looked on whilst France ever-ran Spain. But the Right floe tient. had said a maritimewar would Malfc.the war popular In France. This was new to his ears ; for he had the authority of many of thee great commercial interests in France, expressed in their Petition:, for supposing the contrary, as be was led to believe teat the apprehensions , of the evils which would result from a nitride*. war, made the present contest unpopular, es they looked to its bring ing on eventually a naval contest. lle did not eonStdei. that a war now declared by this country would be a war Nearest • Fraace. It would he a war merely with the Bourtnihs; who tyrannised over France. To shriek • from. each* contest was, in his opinion, dishonourable and : cowardly, nod could not but tend to the Injury of the oeutary. • bath Wes'itnt I re policy which had been pursitedin former times. lie remem bered the words which had been used by One great .ntan in praise of another great man. • Taey Caine to thit, til*Lorn Chatham an governed the country, thst• while with one hand he wielded the Sovereignty or England. wide the edger he streak down thee Bourboosof France.—Cheoge the position, and to Aldan nurrator, as the present Goternment, with one hand, kept, down the democrecy . of Breglaild, while the other sustained the Bourhons in France, 'ran course taken by this country ii, tile late negotiatioas, ought to have been wholly different. England ought to leave said to the Bourbons—" Yeti - I:Dow we seed your friends—you know how much we leaee'doni for you. ,We wish you well, and are anxious to see you remain where you are X but if you persevere in actions like these England must of necessity become your adoeithery." This was the language, which, in his jadgmentoltight to leave been held. A strong lire of condoctirould as well be taken *i a the suariter in mod°, As in any other way, and hail this been done, tee was saiislied th.it the'peace of Europe might have been preserved. No thinz coal.' have , been snore tinf.tattnapt—tiu . could have been morecomplete than that of the F.oglisit Ministers in the late negotiation. Ile contended that Spain had been unfairly treated by Breland, and tar from thinking the honour and dignity 4.4 this Cinntry had been properly upheld, he was of opiltion that tee part he had taken was dishonourable to our nation.il character, and he aniieipated it would after • ell plunge the Cimentry. in a war under more unfavourable icircet:o• ihtlarei. than those under which we should , hare Avierect WO the contest, if we had at once made eornmau cause With Spain. • Mr:WYNN rose, end, amidst loud cries of " speeder' I withdraw !" moved that the debate be sdjonrned to to-mor row. Thh question.having been put, loud cries of " go on, go on!" Np, .`• t 1 Wu:rale r • Ear, bar r."` lattes lion, question !" lasted for some minutes. Mr. REOUGII3M said, much as he disapproved of the motion of eilieurnineut, he knew well that a motion of this sort was sere never to • fall, as the Member who elms- to propose It could enforce division after ditition. eat Iletiee would receive with great humility the opinion he had kathered from his experience, they would adjourn at one (J'Plo, no 'I" Go on, -goon !"), lei teed ofteking the trouhie Of dividing two or olive times, only protesting as he did against the motion. He was extremely averse to the ad journment, as pie question tail' undergone two long distils -40,113, He was willing to affer..wheeit came to his tern; a fewobWvotiivos, sad be only yielded to the motion Incense the Member who had made alma the power of enforcing it ( rest of " tiro on !") Mr, WYNN We i he ha! pr _rinsed Lite adjournment be- IL._ t; , :~ 11 G 4 ; r I'