The Statesman. — London, England, 1821-05-10 00:00:00

IMPERIAt PARbldlifENT. - 41 . — HOUSE OF LORDS.—Wipstsoki, MAT 9. The Marquess of LANSDOWNE presented a Peti- Von front the Merchants of Lyndon, praying that the limber Duties Bill might not pass into a law.—Laid ctsthe table. The Marques , of LANSDOWNE moved that certain • avers lying on the table be printed, and added as an Alpendilt to the Report of tbe Committee on Foreign • t Joiir.—Ordered. His Lordship thin moved that various returns eon mac ed with our Manufactures, be referred to the Com liiittee on Foreign Trade.--Ordered. • Mr. BaoovaN and others brought up a Message Amin the Commons, announcing that they bad given leave to Sir Henry Parnell, to attend their Lordships' Committee on Foreign Trade to be examined as a itness. Several Road Bills were also brought np from the Gammons by Sir James GRAHAM and others, anti read a hat time. - Ile Earl of SHAFTESBUR' presented a Petition from the Council and Assembly of New Brunswick, p-aying that no altention should be made in the Tim ber Du ies. Laid on the table. The Poor Settlement, and the Scotch Hereditary Re •crue Bills, went through Committees and were re po. t Atij °tuned. 1101:SE OF COMMONS. .1 AN. What do you pay the editor l‘s—(7'he answer wa.. audible in the Gallery.) Do you keep the manuscrkts which are sent you for insertion ?-1 do not. I stVpose the editor does. Do you know that they are in the possession of the Editor, from your knowledge of his practice to keep them?—lt is impossible for me to say so to a certainty, I understand that it is his practice. By Mr. M. A. TAYLOR.—In whose name is the house hired which serves as the office of the Paper? — The principal office is that of Messrs. Shackell and Arrowsmith, bat since the commencement of the Paper an adjoining house has been taken on least by Mr. Arrowsmith. Who is the landlord?—l cannot exactly say. I be lieve a widow lady.—(A laugh.) Then the Clouse is to understand that the original house where the Paper was set up is the hvinse of Messrs. Shackell and Arrowstnith ?—lt was their's originally, as a printing-office. Who took the house? In whole name does the house stand ? Who pays the reitt?—Mr. Shackell himself. Have you any banker ?—I am sorry to say I am not so rich as to require one.—(A laugh.) By Mr. BENNET.—You have stated that you re ceive the profits to account hereafter to Mr. Arrow smith, wnat is the nature of the agreement into which you entered on that subject?—There was an agree ment ; but the precise terms, and the time of account ing were not mentioned. Was any sum mentioned which you were to give for the purchase of the paper?—No precise sum ; for time Was to he allowed to see what the profits would be. Is the House to understand that you were to account to Mr. Arrowsmith for the proceeds, and that no sum wa s mentioned far the purchase ?—(The answer was inaudible in the Gallery.) By a 'MEM BEII.—Was the sum you were to pay to Mr. Arrowsmith to depend on the extent of the sale of the paper.'--flat was not named, but 1 presume it was meant. By Mr. BENS ET you not swear on the 14th of February, that the priming of the paper was car ried on at your residence, at No. 9, Dyer's-buildings , Holborn?-1 believe I did. Was the paper ever pr inted there at ail Was it not always printed at Mr. Arrowstnith•s, in Johnson's Court ?—lt is no unusual thing for a Printer to put down his address, although he tarries on the printing elsewhere. The paper was composed by roe, but the forms were carried elsewhere to be printed by steam. It was composed but not printed at the office. The residence of the Priuter is the principal thing to pull down. Were yon at the office on the day on which the pa per W3'; printed in which the paragraph in question ap peared was in the office on that day. Did you see the paragraph in qitcstion ?—I did not see it. It is not unusual for copy to be given into the hands of the compositors after I leave the office. Is the compositor in the habit of printing any thing without consulting his s uperiors?—Occasiona l ly . Do you wean to f.;ty, that you do not know who brought the marmacript in question, or who received do mean to state so. What is the name of the compositor?—There arc five or six compositors. Do they all print what they like without consulting their superiors? —Certainly not, But sonic s pa r 'graphs are occasionally brought to be composed after the E iitor and I have '.eft the office. By Mr. WYNNE —Did you ever inquire of any of the compositors from whom he received the paragraph in question ?—1 did not. Do you know front any compositor by whom he was directed to insert the paragraph ?—1 do not. y n mean to say that you never male inquir se y how this parag ra p h caul. to the paper, or ho authority ?—L do. I beg leave to say, that the Printer of a newspaper relies with implicit cot:lance on the Editor. I am not capable myself of superintending the whole of a paper ; and I depend on the Etli;or. I can only say this t • this Honourable ! louse. 1 can have no 'doubt that the paragraph is a falarolooll; but I beg to add, that if I knew the man capable of writing and sending mire a dir ect falsehood, no power on earth oho •Id induce tae to conceal his name. Did you never inquire how this paragraph came in'o he paper and on what authority not. Ilv Mr. SCARLETT.—Was any money received for the printing of that paragraphAs far as I am concerned, l can Fay not. Do you mean to s ,y• that you believe no money was paid ?—1 believe none was paid. Do you mean to say that you do not know the name of the compositor who introduced the paragraph in questiutt ?---It is impossible for toe to say which compositor it was. T. question is not wh at is partible or impossible, a. but w o c •ber you swan to say you do not kuuw the compositor ?—1 cannot say who it was. What are the names of the compositors ?—(1 he witn• ss repeated four names, hut we were unable accurately to coilect them.) You have repeated but four names. Who is the fifth compositor?-1 believe there is some mistake. I meant that there were five ur six compositors, in cluding extra han•!s. Who pays the extra hands ?—I do. Were any extra hands emploted in the publica tion of tar •ast paper ?—1 believe there were. The employment of extra hands depends on the press of matter. The time at which your paper went to press is not so far distant as to prevent you frig i Vi e ' rcollecting the na mes of the extra ba nds you pai Sme we employ one, sometimes another. 1 do nut recol lect. Was the Editor in the office when the last paper went to press ?—L think Ire was. By Lord NCOENT.---a•You have spoken of as agreement between Mr. Arrowsmith and yourself. Do you recollect at what time and where that agree went wig concluded?—About seven weeks ago at the office. 1 cannot exactly say. Was it as long ago as seven weeks ?—L am mot quite sate. Was it not nearer one mont h ago than two months —lt was nearer two months ago than one month. Where was the agreement made ?—M the *Sec At lie. Arrowsusith's office?—Yes. Wbo appointed Mr. Cooper Editor of the paper? --tie Woe appointed previously to my going to the parry ,• Who the Editor of the paper ?-1 do Mr. Shackeli. Who pays Mr. Cooper as the Editor ?—There be. ing other money transactions, sometimes 1 pay him, sometimes Mr. Arrowsmith. is the Editor paid more frequently by Mr. An ew . smith, or by yourself ?—Mdie rre.iuently by K r . Arrowsmitle. Did you ever pay him How often has Mr. Cooper received his Mutest as Editor from you "i-1 cannot say exactly. O m or twice. By whom are the regnlar current expenees sad sig. goings of the paper paid ?—The Stamp Office access are paid by me. Who pays the other expences ?—There are an e w outstanding accounts which are at this time sets* tied. The Stamp Office accounts are paid by s e . That is not an answer. • By whom are the outputs , ' of the paper paid ? Mostly by Mr. Arrowsmitis,ssu e by me. Who pays the wages of the workmen?—The esta. blishment are mostly paid by Mr. Arrowsmith. By Sir R. WILSON.—Do you keep any clerk ? I do not. By Mr. DI. A. TAY LOR.—Who examines the proof ►heet of the paper —Sousetinies I mrelf, sometimes the reader. What is the name of the reader ?—Durkmore. Do you keep any regular books, in which are enter ed the price paid for the insertion of paragraphs and advertisements, and the weekly sale of the paper?— Yes, there are some books. Who receives the money for the insertions of para. graphs and advertisements, and for the weekly salsa the mer ?—Principally into the hands of Mr. Arrow. smith. Then the Mouse is to undemand that Mr. Arrow. smith receives the weekly proceeds of the paper?... (The answer was inaudible in the Gallery.) Do you not know that M.. Arrowstnith actually re. c elery those proceetls.and if not, who does ? 1 infernal air. Ar.owsmith received all the proceeds. Yon say that there are hooks kept of the WIRT re ceived fur the insertion of paragraphs and airertist wilts ; who makes the entries, and to whomistio money paid ?--Sometimes I, sometimes Mr. Awn smith. By Lord NUIiENT.—Is there any person is*, 1 Office math , ris .d to give insertion to such paragraphs Ss may arrtse after you and the editor have Mail? There is no person so authorised, but it is dons NW times when we are out of the way. Is that antlered to be done at the discretie• if illi 1 ' the compositors ? Oecasionally. J ' , Are the e any private marks by which tiattliheys *hors are instrueted to give insertion tunny paelpaphat ' which may arrive after you and the editor have lA. ;he office ? Not to my knowledge. Did you ever before belong to the office of any daily or weekly journal ? Tu The Traveller and some oteht papers occasionally. For what paper where you employed immediately before you went to the office of John BeW .. -1 was en gaged on The trareller. By Ur. Fa I GLIM( lit E.—Did the eitra Imads whom you have tn , ntionerl ever insert a parspopi without your permissitot or that of the editor? possible they may have dune so. Do you no an to say that it ever came to yew knowedge that they had done so? I cannot auk say. Would you not hive dismissed any ofthose raw positors whom yo u had found so acting ? It is r o• bable I should. Have you reason to believe that it has ever been low? —Su far, that in reading the Paper afterwards, I haw sometimes found paragraphs nbieli I had never tram before. Dial you make any inquiry into such circumstances? —I left it to the Editor. Do yon 1111 . 111 1 to say that such paragraphs were ettr inserted without the knowledge of the Editor?—l c not say. By Mr. SCAR a:Tr.—Yon have said that Mr. Coil' , is the Editor of 'hi. Paper—Do volt mean to say that k is the exclusive Editor, or that lie divides the duty trick you?-1 take no part as Editor of the Paper. Is Mr. Cooper then the sole Editor of the Paper? — As far as I know, unless he empioys assistants. Do you pay Mr. Cooper his salary ?-once or Wiest have paid lints. Mr. Arrowsmith pays him generally. Anil von do not know where Mr. Cooper lives? -11e never toll use, positively. Do you not kno wsrlitts That is an a t ulsiguous reply. he lives ?—1 asked I • one night how far he had is home. tie said, to the neighbourhood of Blackfriart• road. Answer the qnestion. Do you man to say that do not know where Mr. Camper live.? —Yes. By Mr. BERN al..—ls the tientlemaii who was Ma Mr. Coors - to-day, and who prevented your commas eating to Mr. Cooper that y o u were ordered to attest this House, connect ed with the part ?--No. A mule of persons call on the Editor who are nut connected Mil thr paper. Do you know the n ame of that D e ntlt man ?-ICo. By a MEM BEIL—Is it part of the reader's OW to examine the proof sheet ; and if so, slid he not welf tb ' psr *grai , in optestion ?—The reading boy woh manuscript, and the reader examines the proof. By Mr. W. S I. —lty %thous is the manuscript r t into the hands of the readiag boy ?—By the comptivg• Anil by l u au is it given to the com positor? --- 01 " .• rally by the Esittor. It not given by the Editor. by whom is it givts 3 "" llenerally by myself. If not given either by the Editor or by yonsbY 4 l is it given?—As 1 before obsery cou n tun caninot say leave the office from whom anycatioos ceived. 040 I ask you whethe r, to the best of you any one of the four compu&tors whose names yo* mentioned, or any of the other occasional compkir would dare to print any paragraph except of tbs__lf. wooed nature, unless he received it either from the blur or yourself? -1 do not think he would. • d ir Do you believ o ne that the para gr os ph coma on plabiined pthrioarit ty ?_ by lanelold toifiitnhkosetincto.nopitors s tio WS: By Lord NUtIENT.—Do you mean to say • never communicated with the Editor by kW_ n ote ?—All my commun i cat i on s with the E ditor lows been verbal. shol i Mr. BBNNET then moved that Mr. Weaver be ordered to withdraw, with an Mr. Ass The SPEAKER depar t to withdraw. facicoherdliisegulsye. the BOA ri Isaias which prevailed iu the body of • 1 1 Mr. BEN ti rose, bat frnm the orl r eal : oi:stied's:ion WI '9IOIIPPW I - 4 , \ • 4 %.• . • in.lThat limb% an answer. Who appointed Mt. Cooper lion. the Editor of the pupa ?—1 do not know. I believe twice 4r. Al tone able Mee fault 11/ •-___ - • on or that of the editor wa 'e done au. th say that it ever came to Yam cc had done so? I cannot exactly. (1 we dismissed any of those cow had found so acting ? It Ur. believe that it has ever been dew? ling the Paper afterwards, I haw ragraplis nbleb I had never sets inquiry into such circumstances? or. ty that such paragraphs Smiler knowledge of the Editor? --I ask have said that Mr. Car Paper-Do you mean to say that bc or, or that he divides the daty yid 1 t as Editor of the Paper. n the Sole Editor of the Paper?- ['less be employs assistants. :1111111Pr his salary ?-once or Win I r. drrowsulith par him generally. know where Mr. Cooper liyes?-41e Lively. nous reply. Do you not knowwbew I • one night how far he had tee the neighbourhood of Blackfriars• Ition. Do you wan to say that re • r. Fonper lives ? -Yes. the lientlrUlen who was with • and who prevented your commis:. tel that you were ordered to Oral tea with the paper?--No' A ono* the Editor who are not connected wit/ 4 le name of that (froth man ?-ICa. 1.-Is it part of the reader's AT tb. sheet ; and if so , did he not ration ?-I'he reading boy Timis wig Ile reader es4mines the proof. [lll.-11y o hum is the manuscript Pi the readisg boy ? - Hy the cumplitor• is it given to the compositor ?-41410 r the Editor. by whom is it gieee .. " self. her by the Editor or by yon. b y l I before observed, I cannot soy aft o w whom any communications art fe .ther, to the best of your knowled.llt our compus'tors whose names you . 107 iy of the other occasional composir int any paragraph except of tbs_tt mess he received it either from the ISOIP do not think he Would. one of old think not. iIiENT.—Do you mean to say that Y.! rethattl i t i o e se Pa c r oancopor4sPibtocr°slnoPultedis sr teste d with the Ed itor by letter Tth m: n i m c toeiodntsh Div. We e lt ar d el ltot c m at lAr. h KER accordingly ordered • irrittfhrodmrlyt e w i i I t u sacn intirostioo . the BOA Fr' 111 f pEreTvized, ilibutthefrnbmatyhoe eery red eed: 1 a .;, • k' • Yi 1 1 : I (.1 TIIE STA' At.nnortouati ELECTION. bfr. LITTLEI ON brought up the Report of the Cc:nuance appointed to take into consideration the Pe lion against the ALM:rough Election, which declared tirat the Si flog Member, Mr. An:l.olms, had been duly mected ; but that the Petition against his retorts, did net appear to be frivolous or vexat ous. Petitions were presented from Bromley in Kent, front neckford, and other Parishes, againq the Metropolitan Road Bill. Ordered to lie on the table. Sir F. KNATC11111:11, presented Petitions from Greenwich, Woolwich, Deptford, Len isbam, Foots rrav, Becksley, Chislelmrst, and some other places, against the Metropolitan Road Bill. The Hon. Mem- Per hoped when the Bill came to be discussed, the lioase would remember the number of Petitions which Lad been presented against it, from which might be collected the general dislike to the unea,ure which pre vailed. Ordered to lie on the table. Mr. Alderman HEYOATE presented a Petition from the Mayor and Corporation and others of Sndhury, agait.st a compulsory mode of education.—Ordered to hi on the table. S. WHITBREAD presented a Petition from the Coach-masters, of Hounslow, against the Metropolitan Road Bill.—Laid on the table. Mr. MA cTIN (of Galway) presented a Petition from several Stage Coach Proprietors in the City of Loudon, complauing of the state of tho law with re a;7;et to the injuries done to hones. The lion. Mem ber enumerated the various descriptions of hardship which a horse owner was liable to be subjected to from the ill treatment of those entrusted with their horses. from a deficiency in that respect in the law of the land. A person not worth five shillings might knock out the e e of a horse, or lame it, and the expences of prose cation, as the law now stood, with .:hances of the men's never paying his damages, and escaping u ,, der the Insolvency Act, offered no prospect of indemnifi• cation to the owner thus injured. Notwithstanding this v i ew of the case, as a question of property, he thought as a question betwixt the man and the beast, some better system of law should be framed ; far con sidered as an article of accommodation, eigher as a chair, a table, or a mail coach, it would be incumbent on those who injured them to pay for that injury. The Pkitioners were of the most respectable class, and all they prayed for, was such an amendment in the law on th's subject, as to enable them to convey an offen d-r before a magistrate, for summary punishment at thsevetion. Mr. Alderman BRYDOES made a few observations on the sang' subject, which were itsattlible in the Gal lery. Th.. Pet lion was read and ordered to be printed. METROPOLITAN OAS COMPANIES. Mr. Nti, pursuant to notice, moved fur the ap pOionneat of a Committee to consider of :he propriety 04r -twin a re% ival of the Charter of the Metropoli• tau 6.15 Comp 'try. Sir C. DOMVILLE opposed the motion on the jeiona.l that there w a no necessity for any other com pany , 1) r•otyly th tow with gas, that at present ex • most respectable aild irreproachable, with refer •ne.• t r past conduct. Mr. trREN..'It a., sail, that it the app Cutnuu' e ' ointment of the ,%uttld tend to the prodne ion of compeli t.on, he rare.' not how respectable the parties concerned were. ne public would he sure to benefit, and be would divide toe House in favour of the Hon. Member's (Mr. Eytt,'N) motion. ir J. YOItKE wished to live the House a bit of warn; ag aro t .is subject. They hail already got to deal the Water Companies of the Metropolis, whi ; i:ay.trz by the gracious permission of that House been l oodnitt...l to ruin themselves, combined to ruin o thers tie wished to point nut to the House that ex eri war in this ease %hewed them that it did not ne tessarily tollow that competition must be useful to the public. Atli- some further observations from Mr. Alderman BRUMES, Sir I. !'berry. Mr. Bvsto, and Mr. PETER MROgt, the House divided. when the numbers were — For the motion, 93--Against it, S7 —Majority, 6. BREACH" OF Pr.ICILEGE. the motion of Mr. RENNET, the Order of the Dap was read for Mr. Weaver to attend. The SPEAKER directed the Serjeant at Arms to inquire whether Mr. Weaver was in attendance; anal qn being informed that he wets, ordered him to be calli4 in. On Mr. Weaver's appearance at the Bar, be under went an examinatior to the following effect : By the SPEAKER. —What is your name?—Robert '1 bowie Weaver. See you the T. Weaver whose same is placed at - lie and of that paper (a copy of the Joan Bull, SSW ut leper, of Sanaay hist, was here pet Into lit. V. • aver's band by the Clerk,) as its printer and Feb -sherf-1 to. &At WWI ono.* which is loathed, sad infers , 1.11691* 101.40111, Ntl fro* whom yos eiseeived that tCh ?--1 4.0 state toll& Floc House, that sped se .Mlashisi as the printer and rib. %Wier of the paper ; but that the literary part of it is Dot entirely under my superintendance. Many arti• vies Ido not see before the paper goes to press. That vu the case with the one in question. I never saw it until it was pointed out to me as having given offence to this Hon. House. 1 beg to add that I am extremely sorry that I have given offence to this Hon. House, or to any of its Hon. Members. Such was never my in tention, or that of any person connected with the paper.—(A laugh.)--1 can only say, that lam ex tremely sorry that any thing has appeared in the paper offensive to the House, and that I am anxious to make every reparation in my power.—(Hear.) By Mr. BENNET.—Who was the person who gave yon the paragraph to which your attention has been called ?—That paragraph was not give e n t ? o me. ant not Do you know to whom it was givn —I aware; I did not see the paragraph until it was in print. Who is charged in your absence with the manage ment of the press ?—The Editor. What is the name of the Editor: —qtr. Cooper. What is his Christian name ?—I think it is henry. Is he the sole Editor of the Paper ?—1 cannot answer that; all newspapers are in the habit of receiving com munications from other partieswith this. I cannot say, therefore, that 3lr. Cooper i s , the sole Editor. Where does Mr. Cooper live?—Soinewlir-re in the neighbourhood of Blackfriars'.road, as I am informed. Is the House to understand that you do not know ex actly where Mr. Cooper lives, but that be merely lives somewhere in the neighbourhood of Hl a ckfriars'-rnail —I do not know exactly the place of Mr. (7oopers resi dence. but I believe it is somewhere in Blacitfriars'-road , or near it. When does Mr. Cooper come to the office of the Paper? —He is generally there every day. How long has he been the Editor?—For some time past, I cannot exactly say how long. If you wish to communicate with the Editor when be is absent from the office, where do you send?—l never have any occasion to communicate with him. He attends regularly every day. At what hour?—For s everal hours ; generally from 1 ten till half-past sev en or eight. Was he at the office when von came away ? When did 1 you see him last? About what time ?_About three o'clock. Did you communicate to him at that time that von were ordered to attend this House ?---I did not commit nicate it to him because he was engaged with a gentle , man ; but of course he cannot be ignorant of it. Are you the printer, publisher, and sole proprietor of this newspaper i—l am• flow long have you been the printer, ptiblisher, and sole proprietor?-1 cannot exac , lv state the time. How long have you been the printer, publisher, and sole proprietor ?-1 do not exactly recollect ; a consider able time; since Christmas. Were you the printer, publisher, and sole proprietor and of the paper from t he be g inning ?-1 nos e int e r publisher from the be.rinning. Who was the proprietor at the beginning?-1 think Messrs. Shackell and Arrowstnitb. I think their names were at the Stamp Office. Did you purchase the paper; and if yon did, of whom: —I purchased it of Messrs. Shackell and Arrowsmith. Is not the house in which the Paper is printed, that in which Mr. Arrowsmith lives?—Yes, for the purpose of carrying on his nosiness? I n fact, are you not a journeyman of Mr. A rrowsolith's, receiving a salary of three guineas a week?-1 have an engagement with Mr. Arrowsmitli ; but as to the three guineas a week, I am concerned in other parts of his business. Is the House to understand that you are not the sole proprietor, but that you Aare the Paper with Mr. Ar rowsmith ?-1 have other arrangements with him, but not as to the Paper. Then you persist that von are the sole Proprietor of the Paper, and 'hat Mr. Arrowsmith has no connexion with it ?—As to that. some arrangements have been making for my purchase of the Paper, hut as they are not entirely concluded yet, I cannot be said to be wholly the Proprietor. Did von no - swear at the Stamp Office, on the 10th And the 24 ' h of February, that von were the Printer, Publisher, and sole Proprietor of the Paper called J , .hn Bed! f—Y e.. What price did vou agree to pay Mr. Arrowsmith for his giving np into your lianas his share of the pro fits of the Paper ?—As to that, there have been a nom her of t ra nsactions between us, and it has nut been finally determined. How, under those circumstances, when the price was not settled, conl,l you swear that you were the sole proprietor of the paper ?—Beeause I conceived that I became the sole proprietor by his agreeing to give op the profits to me, although the price was not ► finally settled. Was that agreement in writing ; and if so, where is it ?—lt was not in writing. Was there no memorandum of it. Of what nature was it? Was it merely verbal ?—lt was verbal. What was the nature of it ?—The nature of it was, that I was to heroine the sole proprietor on my giving a certain sum of money, which sum of money has nut yet been fixed on.—(A laugh.) Had any prosecution been commenced against the newspaper when the arrangement between you and Mr. Arrowsmith was so arranged ?—y el. one. Who receives the profits of the paper now ?—I do. Do you keep them yourself, or do you account to any one for them ?-1 have accounted iu various ways as to the proceeds of the paper. Is the House to understand that you account to Mr. Arrowsmith for the proceeds of the paper ? No. To whom do you account fur them ?—Since I be came proprietor I bare not acconnted at all ; but as I Lave already stated, the purchase money has not been wetly settled. Do yon receive the whole profits of the paper and keep them ?---The proceeds go to discharge the varbeen irus u c o nnts of the paper ; some of them have not yet received. But such surplus proceeds as bait been tollived, you keep ?—Yes. Was slate., any WIMP'S to the verbal ogreMlibt be tween rot and Mr. Arrowstoillb . that I bad 1 and w hi pais ter' : t ag °flu '4O O elm of the die of 1 . Sal fa ee to Ad Pp . cl el IN R • 4 1 • 1" I. I