The National Register. — London, England, 1819-12-20 00:00:00

~'" ~,. THE NATIONAL REGISTER. nominated by the Lonl Chancellor and Lords Lieutenant. If every Loral Chancellor would be like the present Lord Cbancellor the country would have little to fears but Chancellors, lords Lieutenant, and Magistrates. would be Mond with party feeltngs that would ruin those establishments the Noble Viscount was anxious tootph•rve. The Noble Earl considered the cower given to the nivistrates a deep inroad on the rights and I.berties of tile poo l de. Ile expressed a sincere hope that measures of this character would have the shortest duration. Ile could never consent to let the Bill exist longer than two years at utmost. The Noble Earl expressed his satisfaction at the introduAion of a measure in tie other Howse for a practical Reform iu the abuses of repre sentation. Ile had never. however, believed that the distresses of the country arose out of errors in either branch of the Omni tutien, nor did he suppose those dis WSJ:ea could be prevented by any ittlyrili 113111:01 WIWI•All could adopt. They had been occasioned by war into which the people of England in 17'13 were too anxious to engage. The Noble Earl concluded by stating, that it was his intention to move in the Coannittee, than the duration of the Bill be limited to two years. Lord KING objected to the principle of the Bill, •.n the ground that it was part of a system of coercion, not justified by necessity. Adverting to the state of the country, he regretted that no enquiry had been allowed, with respect to the trans actions Manchester. It was only to be accounted tin by supposing that 11111.1stArS would not set in judgment upon themselves. The greatest danger they had to apprehend pro ceeded from the detiamined spirit of Government, xad the adoption of coercive measures. Lord HOLLAND sa , d lie felt sn much repugnance to the present Hill. that lie could not have the I louse, notwithstanding '• the overwhelming majority" with which it would, no doubt, be carried. without delivering his sentiments in a few words. He did not intend to Mil& the !louse, and should reserve the more iktaileclexpresition of his renuiments to a future occasion. He considered this Bill as au unconstitutional, foolish, and mischie vous measure: unconstitutional, because it went to flitter away the inherent right of Englishmen to meet and express their opinion, and to make the exercise of that right a c punish able in the most ignominious manner—foolish. because it did riot go to prevent tumultuous meetings unless they mei for disvussion, as he would show when he came to consider the question more minutely ; and therefore it did net prevent the coils it professed to destroy—and mischievous. beiause lor the reasons stated by 1.6 Noble Friend it %wild woven open tumult into secret conspiracy, sod would substitute for clamour and nonsene the dagger of the a+sas•in. (Hear, hear.) In conclusion his Lordship said, he should vow against going into the Committee. The question was then put fur going into the Comniittee on Monday next, which was carried in we affirmative without a division. • The question was next put on the instruction to the Committee, niove.l by the Lai of Csrnarvon, for limiting the Bill to the Ist of July 18*2 ; on this a division was demanded and took place. The numbers were— Contents itf• I Non-Contents 37 Proxies 111-163 Proxies 78-133 Majority 97 The Louse adjourned at two o'cioek. SATU&DAY. DEC. 18. . . This day the Lords being met, the (commons were surnmofted to attend, when a Commission was read, appointing the Atch bishop of f'antethury, the Lord Chancellor, and Lord Ilarrowby, Commissioners, tin the purpose of giving the !loyal Assent to •• An Act lin continuing to his Aikparty certain duties un malt. sugar. and snuff, in Great Britain, and on pensions, others, and per,unitl estates in England. for the mince of the year lbitt;" and also •• An Act to authorize Justices of the Peace in certain disturbed counties to seize and detain anus collected or kept for purposes dangerous to the public prate, to continue until the :15th day of Match, Ibt2.' After which the !louse .uJjourned to Monday. HOUSE OF COMMONS. 3110/iDIf, DEC. 13. BREACH OE PRIVILEGE. Mr. COURTENtY moved the Ostler of the Day for the Cahill,: of Mr. Moder' to the liar. Mr. ECI.ICF. tali, he would twee the trouble of the Haase, by station, that John Cain Hobhouse, a friend of was the author of the pdrt of which had been complained of . ; that gi tat lemon, be Witi hosh ucteJ to say, would readily attend the House. Mr. COUUTENAY thought the winter aught to be culled. • Robert Stodatt was then eallest. The pamphlet having been shewn to him, he said he pnblistn•d it, and added, that it was written by John Cans Hnhisituie. Air. COURTEN.Of then soared. that the pzlmer:be diacharged, and that Juhu Cant Hobbes., do attend tu muli me. Mr. ELLICE said, Mr. H. was eider town, on account of the irdispositiois of his father; but he would attend u• ..... rrow, if requ led. Mr. TIEIINEY asked, fur what purpose was Mr. Huh . bruise to attend? (Hear, hear.) The SPEAKER ob rI, that the Whist' was ascer tained, them was no occasion to order the attendance of the particular individual; it teas not orsential to any atm. riur proceeding that inigist lee contemplated. Mr. COL/WIEN A y again rose, and proceeded to read from a report on their privileges, that those privileges were part of the law of Parliament, that toe lan of Par liament was part of the law of the land, and that it was essential to support theist as the tissulanserital protection of Pal 'lament anti the People. He ilirrefure felt warranted in pursuing 1114 course. He deemed it more coned than that of a prosecution by the Attorney-General. It was riot a doubtful question; it was a contempt of the House; a al lie tbrrefoie thuaght that the House ought to ;steered to commitment for such contempt. tie esuil.l make ailaw for irritated tidings, ur hasty productions; he could snake apologies fur the crude productions ut tot sillily Journalist, but lie could not ulit r suds rseille fer tile deliberate slander and libel contained in this pam phlet. He concluded with solos ing, that the pamphlet rtillt.ilited a 11C111.1410114 librl on the House, and that its it war calculated to iiillaare the people to arts of violence against the Legislature. snit particielai ly this House, and was therrfin r a high lova. Is ut the privilege and CUllstitit half or this fbilive. Abe it. witiliuts britic put, the aye!' were loud, an .I Sir P Howlett Solid "Nu!" in a distinct tone.-31uhult .g 1 era that 31,. Midmost. be committed to Netvgate for ,torti .11e. ELLICE; oliterseJ, that feeling what was likely Ia lir Int It mu", assJ hating al e.ot Iltelaloilp tor t Mr. 111..oltototr, lle 114441 V114 , 114 . ti the tettereileoltate step io n, hr 11441 It attia.l that little watt Ito place 19 I. ex.... t .1 in a root,. will, a 4 MlVieted It tun. INN 1111•1•1*ell. that the tlr., strp must be to .•L•s Mr. H to Le t.skros lOW the coblutly el the berjt eel Anu., ttu•tr ov, iv °direr. Ti. sPEAKEit said, that litre were instances where ill r order hail beta railvitceil as 1110Ved ; slid his %sat rants AEC. to would be, first to take Mr. H. Into custody, Wen to convey Unit individual to N , u gate. Mr. Alderman W 061) lamented to say that the stale of the prison was such as to pi erlnde the ides or sending 411 individual of Mr. H's respectability ►lereet but at the saute lime Were erre anemia of making better arrange ments within %slut was called Newgine. (Hear.) Sir K. BURDETT said, this wits a very hard cave against Mr. Hohhoine. He would out defend gruss lan guage; but lie denied that it was siscreptible of the inference charged, that of inciting the. exescise of thine force. . . Lord CASTLERF:AGH role to order—the question of libel Ise,l Mr. BROUGHANI agreed in this; Intl said.. e whole quic,tiim might be reviewed.. . . 8:r F. tilCittllETT replied, that ha oeristiely had io. tended to su i►►ta the (lacono') of libel, but he was to plead in mitigation it ►emir !. He sho►►ld refer to the .11.,1 ming Post. Mr. WYNNE rose to order. He was against a Neon. paper being read there, lir.olvt, oas one bleach of privilege to be usged as jtliglfiC4llUll of iillOthet . . . . .. Sir V. litilillE'll I kuevr nut whet r he had been die_ orderly. lie denied that there was any breach of pri g, 11w—it am+ only eats' tuctively so. Ile must refer to theithr. Hive Poi/. .0 . . . . . .. ... Alt. defended the lion. Baronet, and was ahouti to show u hat had beau dune with imptstail,. litiew.rioeis were not to he read, why were pamphlet•? (Hear.)—The Hun. Alemher retil pages of this bin nobody got up then and eselaitued " muer, older, down with your pamphlets. The aPEAKI•.II ouserveil, that the gitettion of libel was disposed of, but it was open to speak in exteuttation, end then ri ter to other mitt els. lie certaudy could slut are what distinction there could he bet aces, pamphlets mid newspapers—(Hear, beat 8 )--11 . otaer cut .tat wallt-rs wets itstrutitte,tl its rhtts•taltuu of tier case, and theta proved really to be more severe, Alembers mete bound to prefer complains. Ile hoped Alembeis would slot make an injudicious use of the freedom of debete mud the ps.hi lege& extended to them. . . . . . Sir F. ittlituErr said he should now abandon that course which he had intended to pursue ; but when the question as to seudistx to New gate mite before the House se should thew trouble the lionve. St...tn.:tea weir theta ordered to withdraw fur a he numbers urn.: Fur the motion. ........ 198 For the niueistinsentt . 6.1 Majority Cur the commitment to Steeple 133 The worsens issued accordingly. Mr. BARNET I' pieseitierl a Petition from Rochester against Sedition% Meetings Bill. Mr. CALVERT piescistrd a Petition fiom Sonthreask against toe New tills. Souse Clunances ought to be made fur the disteesses of trade; all who complauscd ()light not to be called Kodical Kelso niers. Sir It. W I ESON said, this Pctitima merited Ilse alien lius the House. He tru.sed the Dill would out pass. He might uut again address the House doling the present Seamen' ; but whatever might be the penalty, hr aunhl ;At:Meet the honour of iii. taisitly against iturniciliniy 'Eltere was yet consulaiion ilial the chains which were !Urging would so gall mail chafe, that the 'incubi y of Chu pain would tse a guarraidee etviust the duration of Bre sy stem. Petition ordered to lie on the table. The 31isdemeasimsr Bill was iced a liist time, and or dered to be read a snood t• •vu Wedoesday. Lord CASTLEREAGH moved the third leading of the Seditious Meetings riteention Dill. Lord A. HAMII.I ON sispproted the Bill, which he dial wills path and regret, tort be did su uo facts. The sight ea Petitiuniug had been lautorioisAy abased to the lawny of other., and so as to bring the sight itself into question. Mr. J. %CARTON proposed a clause to the erect of authorising the attendance of reporters to newspapers sit public meeting., although stranger, to the place, on their sending iis their names to Cie ta.agtstrate 24 hours before the met ling. Lord CASTLEREAGH objected to the introduction of repenters us nosy distinct hind) tecogiosed in our legislation, mid hiersted 0 it's pat titular piiVileges, Itit iangers to the comity, purists, or distr.el, the inlialtitauts of whit h respect. ;rely posed the meeting, he saw 1111 reason for considering them in tiny other light than straogtis by any clause us the bid The usaystrales may grant them foolities of admission if they saw nu irlijectimis It was true as had been stated by an IlunoUrnhle Mrinber, that the reports of the pro creoings of public nu:clings in the public Journals bad sometimes warded the comm.y of its dorri,er ; but it ans at the same t.ine not to be ilen.rd, that the danger had often !sett tocreased by alai mini; and fallacious reports. lie was uiwnlhug to allow this (las, of oessous any rights by this net n heels they did not previously posst as ; nod thin to give a pretence stir the adults b 1 111 l oh strivigess. Mr. 'II ERNE Y said, that the ouniber might be limited to three or four, and thus a part of the N utile Lord's ohj‘ c• non might be obi hued ; but the Noble Lot d nhjected Ut the pi iticsple of adsaiiiing reporters altogeteer. (No, mi.) Lod C tsTLEKEAIiII said, he merely oltireled to the clami of a right. A magistrate, abu saw 1111 reason for eArluding them, might groin them Mellows of adults, Mr. TI hit N f.l did 111/l I.l l e a tuag - sirate, ti ithoot some aolhorsty in the act, could authorise the atteudauce of Lard e A sTLI:itEAoIi said, the utaAist rates (Quid intro duce their own officers and ustost.iists, thsiu,;le strangers. and if the) chase they issi‘ht brio", ui tiirsrltilOrterb,lll,l.l4 I help. Mr. Alderman 1V A 11'11M AN bind, the 'rumor %hit h the Noble I.otl opposite (Castle'sth) had gisielt for the richt /Milt of repot ICI,, a..., its his (pi the wows* ground t . " l "elf adwisssou. Tile Noble Lord had witted, that Gil lacitrus repurti hod been isruiragMed, and produced danger. A. educe lepusla meat always ,„u abroad, 1..11111t1 .1 1114 he bei ter Spadini! reports (ruin r.spetluble to% villi e r•• *ll9 were men of s ducatiu.s. Who had vicir,,t - tera at Make, and *mild be MI to nruid snisrepre rotation, limo allow statements up get 11110 C1f1:111.41011 lltsutio the mediums of individual's less qualified Mr: J. tilt IN l'.—The twsgis'rate could not connive at rr e n nYrr. a stroussera %ere oraesed to au haul*. Att. 11C ee COli11:0.41Cd, 11 ..N Me hill, toe wringer by trihithawould incur tlw pesiait u of a stronaer. *Lilco au. Ode dud iiiii rut, Our Could toe .thigattrato pouter him isgoilat 1.. r informer a his aowd .ia.re tat tine. tie ( tir. tiunia) iiould propose 11 Clause obviating the olojection to a dative said, r dapco.ion, a Own gave a right to atteed, %bile it at the same toue prottattd the reporters COMPLAINT OF ,lIISTATENIENT. Earl GROSVeiNOfI rot.• to complain to the liouve of a mistatement, which lieconsitlered a personal attack. •• NO man is u 1 the Noble Earl) would afford stronger support to the mac tics of reporting t h e debates of this I tome than myself. I shonlil not make complaint of misrepresentation, although I have been more than once misrepresented in a gross and scandalous manner in the same Paper. if it related to political argument; but the subject I allude to is a misrepresentation of a perainal ridtttre. and I cannot sufer it to pass, more particularly as the Right Rev. Prelate, wholti it ia said I opposed, was not to oil. House to hear what I really did say. I allude to an Even:ng Paper, T. Cu tier, which circulates in the country. In the Report of a recent debate I am made to reflect on the Right lice. Prelate the Bishop of Lon on. If there ever was a MSC of misrepresentation. it is tier. Your Lottlslups, I ant sure, will recollect, 1 went out of my way to speak with respect of that Right Rev. Prelate, and avoid personality. Ido feel anxious, as misrepresentations of this character are abroad, to make this complaint. I will rot tmulde your Lordships further on this subject at present." The Noble Earl then adverted to a motion he lied to make for a Re tarn of all Olti:es held in reversion within given data, anti eon eluded by moving fur the NUM.—The nunion was sgrvi:d to. \djoumcd. TVIESTUY, TEC. 14 SEDITIOUS MELTINGS BILL The Sedittons Meetings Prevention Bill was brought up from Cie Commons, by Mr. Wallace and other members. The Earl of LIVERPOOL moved the first reading of the Bill. It wa, tiecordengiy read the first time. The Noble Earl van movvd it to be printed, and fixed the sewtal r.....d1ng fur Thursday. Lord HOLLAND observed, that short notice was given of the second reading, and at the same time he should not oppoas the arrangement, provided lull time was given for going into Committee. The Earl of I.IVERPOOL said, he understood the Bill would b: the subject of debate on Critlay, upon the toner for gum into Committee. If the Noble Lords on the other side thg I louse did not feel t'lemselves in a condition on Flitlay to go int o Committee upon the Bill, further consisleralion of it might be deferred to Monday The Marquis of LANSDOWNE did not rise to object to the rrovised proceeding. Fie felt that the House ought to decide upon the measure withoutdclay. Whatever difference of opinion mi,;lit prevail respecing the provisions of the Bill, he would la I ant, tt it was necessary at all, it ought to be ;moon i.nmeiliately. Ir ;t could be debated on Monday, the Noble Marquis would not trbject to the arranguncot. The Bill WWI tilitcrcd to be printed. 'The Malt Duty Bill was read a second time.—Adjourned. WEDNESDAY. DEC. 15. . - The rarl of TII A N ET presenial a Petition from the Mayor ar.,l Coepotii:ion of Rochester. against the Bills now before Parliament for imposing re:oh:thins on the people. The Peti tion was read, and ordered to lie on the table. _ _ Tile Duke of DEVONSHIRE prcsehted a Petition from an individual in the to nof Sligo. praying the House to make wirue legisktive enactment with a view to procure additional security 1:oni the iollectors of tolls in thut vicinity. The Petition was Lid on the table. _ _ The 110,.e went into a Committee on the Malt Duty Bill. in which the resolution wore agreed to, and the report ordeal to be received to-morrow. THIMSDAY. Drc. 16. The Malt Duty Bill was read a third time and passel St OITIOUS MEETINGS BILL. On the motion of Vi count SII)MOUTiI the Bill to prevent Fedititnn. Meeting. was read the beecind time, committed tur to• morrow, and the llomesinnioned on the.oemion.—A4j. HOUSE OF LOH 1)S. FRIDAY. DEC. 17. ARMS SEIZURE DILL. Viscount SlT)Niolaili;;;;l:ll;atiteamendinents made by the Commons in the Arms Seizure Bill be agreed to. Atter sane disethsion, the amendments were taken iuto con. &nitration. Mid being mud, the House avert' to them. A message au. then ordered to t.c .ent to the Common, to acquaint that House that the Lords had agreed to their atuenuoieuu. SEDITIOUS MEETINGS' DILL. Viscount SIDNIOUTII re.et to move this Bill should be referred to the consideration 04 a Comtuistee.—Notwithstanding the measures then adoptcd fur meeting the ddikolties ut the Multry.lie ww persuaded the House would be of upiuion that dente lath: to check the evil, it a Heil use wham belOre Cie House was not posed. An endeavour lad been made to make one of the dearest privileges of Englishmen an Instrument for the deAruction of public rights. If the Lords approved of the principle of the Hill. the first qtirstou would he. whether toe laws in force 'were sotticteht to preveht tututOtous meeting:, or whether 'owe new legi•lutive ineabure ww , not necessary ? The law, as it stood, did not prevent simultaneous meetings. The Noble Viscount adverted to the necessity surue time back. of cheekiiii the meetings in Copenhagen Fields, and obierved, that the Lords would do well, looking to the disorder of such hicetinms, to decide quickly whether it ought to be a general or a tvsuporary measure. Toe country he had no doubt, notwitlot.mthrig its difficulties, wound be reHeved from danger by the enerph_ of Parliament. 'lite Noble Visount concluded by moving oat the 110014g° into :a Collinlitlee on the Hail. The Lori ot CARNAHVON was re 44 to itilli.t they could Dot 'Nays apply long establislie,i laws to new e..tgeneies. From 1688, the period of our Revolution, the country had so change u its ammeter, that new and great cow tatittonal laws might be T tie/ were, both ever, called to eulopt new leas of a th.ingcrous de cri i ,tion, without ati) wound tot ctearture hum cue eaatoidael lass of the CUI1:11141111011: Time Nolt.e Lord ten wa, ne.x...-ary in every view w reAtict the olcration of the Hid p:riod titan flee yeetra.....li Was a jua.,t,,, u t y t o is, endued tin a snort period. lle then dept Toted die IliTtopti interference of magistrates in county ntertious, as tending to deprive the people of their ftir corotitut mho r:gist of cabin, public tch,etied, , . Thc .3le rcaiisuaty of the cot/tit: , was ~~ 8 ' 112 inperiat Vartiament. 'lousy OF LORDS. MONDAY. DEC. 15 dIr.TIROGIWN. and several Memberrtrnn the Commons, t‘vglaup the Malt Duty Bill. which war read the tirbt Cum. TRAVERSE RILL. The LORD CHANCELLOR rose on the Order of the Day be the third reading of hie 11111 to prevent delay in the whninite station of justice in ex-officio informations and indictments.— Nook and Leartual Lord said he had procured a clause to answer the object of the '.%;oble Lord 411o:ind). and he certainly was de--inset- of making it satisfactory. The operation of the clause he proia*ed to add war this:—after an inftwmatiou has Geo+ pending one year, it shall be lawlul for the defendant to give twisty days notice to the Attorney-General that he will apply to the Cusut for en order to press loin to bring en the trial, Ithe Court is to have the power to make such order,) and if the Attorney General does not bting on the trial, the Court ran sitter judgment of 4011 pros, and plevent the defendant bring put to expence. Lord HOLLAND did not rise to make any objection to the clause inttoducal by the leattud and noble biod ; on the con trary, the clause wonkl be a great improvement iu the Act of Parliament, and he gave Lis support to the bil Tshe clause sestina' added, the bill teial .• third time and posed.