The Statesman. — London, England, 1820-12-09 00:00:00

Tr= - Hose the laughter of the assembly interrupted the stator for some minutes, and the Sheriff again inter fered—(Treat and powerful as was the lientleman, he begged they would hear him, fur it was at least pos. sib!e, that some person present might be capable of answering him---(A laugh). Mr. WILLIAMS proceeded—Re was lot an advocate at all times for the lireen Bag systeni--(:1 laugh); lmt sti:l he could not help saying, .hat there w•as not a Letter way of doing business in the House, than by the private or lireen Bag way—{Continued roars of laughtei). There were false insinuations going abroad respectin; the nature of lireen Bags.--(Here the loud laughter of the assembly drowned the voice of the orator). The Sheriff then put the question on the first Reso lution, st bids was carried, Mr. Williams's hand being the only one which appeared against it. The worthy pessqn, amidst shouts of laughter, waved his hat by way of triumph. 3lr. PETKR Moises then came forward, and propos e! an address to his Majesty fur the dismissal of 31i- Mr. Renege seconded it in a few words, in which lie condemned the whole conduct of Ministers, five their first to their last green bag. Mr. Moi.Ls said, that as the address just proposed did out contain the tender of a pledge from the suc cessors of the present Ministers that they would is. st;:ittly, on accepting office, promote a reform in Par liament, he should now propose his address, which did costain such a pledge, which he deemed intlis• rensable at the present crisis. lie then read his ad dress, whin h was declaratory of the undue influence exercised by Peers in nominating members to sit in the Commons House of Parliament,---that the exercise of such a power was illegal---tbat it was the cause of all the evils enoliired by the people--that, during the last 30 years it had caused a profligate expentlitute of the public money to a greater amount than had been expended in this country during the whole of the thousand years which had preceded that period. The address further condemned the late shameful proceed ings against her Majesty, and also the sudden proro gation of Parliament, when Ministers had been ap prized that a message from the queen was to be de livered in the House of Common-. ; and concluded by entreating that his Majesty would only appoint as the sorers u. s of his present Ministers such men as would ph-lge themselves to save the existing institutions of; this country from impending danger, by a lithely re ly/motion in the I 'mentions House of Parliament. 3lajnr Utrt rWRIMI r seconded the amendment, and said that the huronghmongering oligarchy was the fointain of all evil. The ministers were but the chaff that floated upon the surface of the system ; they were hot the galley slaves of the vessel, who might be throwu overboard if the helm was safe, and the pirate that protected them laid prostrate, that pirate was the I, .roilirl 1111 l mgerine; system. Ito the tpe•stion being put upon Mr. Mills's amend ment. Sir Ciea.cnn Nom, expressed, in a speech of sonic len:.;:h, his approval of the amendment, in preference to the original address. 1;. Ityxi., Esq. M.P. rose amidst loud applause. lie said be could not help presenting himself at that early stage of their proceedings, as lie was anxious to ex press his opinions on the amendment which had been proposed. lie thought it right to state, that he should fed hiuotelf wanting in his duty, if he did not thus early oppose himself to the proposed amendment. lie felt himself hound to say that he never could ad vise his constituents to adopt the amendment proposed by al r. Mills. He could not consent to an amend s:l .a: which went to call the representation of the pro- Or in the House of Commons illegal—(llear,hear!)--- lie bail been taught from his earliest life to consider it one of the safest, one of the wisest maxima handed down by our ancestors, that the King could do no wrong--(Broans).--lie repeated that the wisest maxim of the Constitution hail hitherto been, that the King could do no wrong—(l4ml cheers'.)—But mini sters, as the advisers of the crown, were always held . respinisible—(lpplause!)—Every one 'knew what his political sentiments were, every body knew his opinions of reform—(Applanse.)--During the course of his political life, he had invariably endeavoured, lie had done his utmost to bring about reform—(Ap plause:)—bat while the House of Commons was in its present form, while it was so :titistituted, he felt him self bound to look up to it as a legal tribunal— (Cheers, and cries of no, no!)—Ile repeated that he was anxious fir reform, but lie never would, he never could, while lie was their representative, consent to, or take up an address which conveyed a personal of fenc• to the King—(Loud cheering'.)—These were his sentiments. It was well known that he did not look for court favours--(Loud cries of no, no!)--lie never had, he never would look for them—(Loud ap plause!)—There was no man less fond of visiting courts than himself: but lie hoped a court would al ways exist for the reception of those who were inclined to visit it. This was hls view of the subject, and he thought it right to express himself as early as possible. If his opinions did not meet those of his constituents, lowever lie might regret, he could not help it. But be should never feel ',bawd to avow his sentinients, no matter whether they made hint more or less popu• I lac for the moment. Whatever were the feelings of his constituents, nothing but death could alter the re rpect and attachinhnt which he felt for them.---(Load 1 cheers). Mr. Hems next came forward, and was received with much applause. He said that though it was not his intention to have addressed the Meeting, yet he would now request permission to say a few words in answer to the objection of the Hon. Member of the county (Mr. Byng). He (Mr. Hume) was for speak- Jag out ; the country had arrived at that crisis whoa .. truth, bold truth was to be spoken, if the pe•ple . really expected that any good should follow. Lit, said he, any man look even to Royalty itself—let hi. i • bow it has been emblazoned before the world, and lides then ask himself whether the individuals who the Throne should be - is •• \ _ , . THE STATESMAN. would do great benefit to the King, and do great ho nour to themselves if they respectfully but firmly ad dressed his Majesty on the state of the country. Ile had not heard either of the addresses read until he heard them read at the Meeting. Ile had there paid every atteution to their contents, and his opinion w;0, that he would go every step with the original address, but he did not think that that address had gone far enough. He had very carefully read the Add ress proposed by *ay of amendment. There were two or three words in that Address which appeared to him to have been improper. Ile objected, for instance, to tic word' " illegal," as applied to the House of Commons. He could not call that House an illegal assembly ; but he looked upon many of their acts as most unwise and most unconstitutional. It was idle for env loan to think, that unless a great alteration took place in the formation of that House, that any good could be done fur the country. The corrupt and imperfect state of the representation was the great parent of national misfortune. When he saw a great nation, such as England, unani 1111 l UP on any great question, he thought that no Minister, that no power, ought for one moment to resist the general voice ; hut how often did it hap pen that odious and injuriose , measures hail been ear tied against the declared opinions of the countrv. He was for the amendment, because be thought it bad a great advantage over the original—it spoke out plainly—it went to the root of the evil.--(Applause.) 1Y23 there, he asked, any person hold enough to deny the necessity of Reform ? Would any man hold up his face and say that he (lid not consider Reform ne cessary ? Ile believed there was no one who would do so—no--not even the lientleman who so ably de- l fended the system of firers, Bags amid laughter). There were two things most hostile to the freedom and security of Englishmen—one was, the system of se- Bret enquiry—the other, the imperfect state of the re presentation. One person had been heard that day defending lireen Raga ; but he helirviol there was not a man (Pliable the doors of Parliament.that wools! be impudent enough to del - tool the manner in v Lich the House of Common% sees constituted. If the ueople were fairly col freely represented in the House of Commons, as he hoped le-fore he died to see them ; if the people were so represented they would nut have ken in the fifth year of prare paying an annual sum of eleven millions sterling fur the support of a stand ing army. That SUM of eleven millions was lint one item in the account—the n hole was a system of es penditure of the public money, the most pro- fuse and extravagant, wrung (rum the hard earnings of the artisans and labourers. •He could have no , objection to see men of property enjoy all the raisk and comfort belonging to their station, hut he world wish to see the people relieirsi from their berthene—he would wish to see them free and happy—they were the vital strength of the country. If the Mouse of C - mons bad been the proper guardians of the public ino- • bey, no one would he so absurd as to suppose that the I country would be in the state of misery and einbarras enent in which it unfortunately placed. Upon that subject the minds of all mess were made up, al ways excepting dingoe who receive.) the public money —(A laugh).—lle would not :As the opinions of such men—he would not ask the opinions of the pensioned, the idle and the corrupted, assisted as they were by a slavish and hired press. lint every impartial and ho nest man wonld agree with Ishii in opinion, that the system of corruption and profusion which had been so long carried on, was wlsat routd he no longer endured by the people. Ile was persuaded that his Majesty was not at all aware of the extent of the public misery—the humane character whirls Isis Majesty bore for so many years, before he had mounted the Throne, was well known to the country—it was impossible that his Ma jesty could well know the misery and distress of his people ; it was, therefore, the duty of the people, and really a benefit and a favour towards the King, for them openly and boldly to express their opinions on the state of their country—(Applause).—The lion. Member then said, that there were some words in the Address proposes! by Mr. Mills, to which he would oh- I ject, and he proceeded to point out those improper words as they occurred in various parts of the Address. With these amendments, he (Mr. II.) would support the Adders., because he slid not are a single statement in it that was not true, and he thought that the coun try was in that situation which admitted of nothing but a bold and derisive course. It was lamentable to look at the state to whirls the country was re duced r' but embarrassed as it was, great and alarming as were its difficulties, yet when he con sidered th • capital, the skill, the industry, and the perseverance of the people, he was convinced that the country would ultimately rise above its difficulties; that it would regain its former strength and prosperity if its affairs were in Ilse hands of able and honest men --of men who would only wish to remove the public evils and to promote ths• public advantage without har ing any wish to promote their own private interests or the interests of their friends, at the expense of the hap piness, independence, and prosperity of the country. Mr. Brea was of opinion that the original address was by far the most proper to be adopted--(Cfieh of no, no.)—He did nut pretend to speak the opinions of the meeting, he only stated his own. He hoped they would permit him to do so—((;heers.)--As an honest representative of the people, he could not agree to the Address as it originally stood, becauae it appeared! to hint to have stated what was nothing more or less (loan treason—(Strong disapprohation.)--It denied the legality of the lioase of Commons, and the Ho nourable Gentleman amended it in six or seven places. Altered as it was, the Meeting could not judge of its effect or meaning, without first having a fair copy of it laid before them. Ile hall another objection to the Address. The object of the Meeting was to address the i King to dismiss hits Ministers ; and also to present an I address of congratulation to the Queen on her signal triumph over the wicked and atrocious attack that had been recently made upon her. There was not a, word in the requisition about Parliamentat r Reform. They stood un very strong grounds es long as the! confined themselves to the object ',Tressed iu the requisition; on the subject of her Majesty there was • -- neevail ' tie - so foully dishonoured per spitted to‘go on !ff any awn were to look at the state but one opinion prevailing throughout country 'fare country—at the state of its ntanufasitures, and I , there was but one feeling of public sympathy and ofl its agriculture--at the state of the labourers. and the' public afecti•n towards her Majesty—(Applutee;)— artisans, he could hot but see that a change was want- but if they would mix up with her question as es ed, sad wanted immediately —(Hear, hear!)—He traneous matter on which the roantry was g#eatly thought, therefore, that the Freeholders of Middlesex divided--(Goud cries of " ttu, ha, au;")—ku woold repeat that on the question of Parliamentary Re form, the country was greatly divided, whilst with respect to her Majesty the country was unanimous. Me found that among those who were the hired sup porters of Ministers, there was scarcely one to be found who slid nut condemn their late proceedings. Even in the Court of Aldermen—(Cheers.)--not one would stand tip to support their cause.---(Cheers.)--- He said,theretore, that while they confined themselves to the case of her Majesty they stood upon strong ground. The cause of Reform was in itself sufficiently strong--why not then call a County Meeting fur the express purpose of taking that question into consi deration ?---(llear, hear.)---By tacking the cause of Reform in this manner to other questions, they would make it worn out and threadbare. He would seri-I ously recommend that they should confine themselves to the objects of tlo. , Meeting, as stated in the Re quisition. Mr. S. C. WHITBREAD, M.P. came (onward, and was greeted with loud and repeated cheering. He was sorry to offer himself to the tiotice of the Meeting, but he felt it necessary to do so, in consequence of sonic little difference which he perceived among some gen tlemen respecting the two addresses proposed. For Isis own part, he slid not think the first address went far enutigh.—(Hear, hear')—But at the same time I►e would say, that'nnless souse expressions in Mr. Mills's address were altered, he could not support it. (Bravo.) He thought the matter would be settled, if they allow ed both addresses to go to a Cotnu►ittee, which he would name.—(No, no !)—There were certainly some expressions in the amendment, which, if he beard them rightly, were highly offensive to the King. (No, no ; yes, yes!) he certainly conceived it so. The Ho nourable Gentleman, after several observatiohs on the subject of Parliamentary Reform, the only real reme ds• fer the distresses of the country, concluded by moving that a Co: ttttt ince, consisting of Sir U. Noel, Mr. P. Moore, Mr. Whitbread, Mr. Byng, Mr. Ilut►se, Mr. B. Beamnont, Mr. Mill., and some others, he ap pointed to revise the amendment of Mr. Mills. If they were to he detained there much longer, their proceed ings would resemble those of Ministers, they would be in the dark.—(A laugh.) Mr. MILL. expressed his readiness to adopt the amendments proposed by Mr. Home. After a few words from Mr. Sheriff Waitliman, Mr. Mills, and Mr. P. Moore, it was put and carried, that the Committee should withdraw and revise the amend ment to the Address. After the Committee retired, Mr. Sheriff WAITIIM•N said, that the meeting might employ the intervening time by considering another subject which lay before them, namely, the propriety of presenting an Address if congratulation to her Majesty ; that Address, he dorlersteod, was to be proposed by Sir Gerrard Neel. Sir ti. Non . then came forward to move the Ad dress ; he said, that in doing so he did not think it ssee to make any observation whatever. He would merely state to them the contents of a letter recently received from a Gentleman on the Continent. The letter stated, that the writer had met a certain Hano verian Baron at an hotel at Brussels, who had been intimately acquainted with the late Baron Oinpteda. The Baron stated, that before Ompteda had been ap pointed on the Milan Mninission, he bad scarcely the means of purchasing even the necessaries of life. That after his appointment lie suddenly got rich, and died worth two hundred thousand dollars, or X 50,000 sterl ing, which, the writer, added, went, a great way to prove bribery by wholcsale—(Applause).---The Ho nourable Baronet concluded by moving the Address to her Majesty. Mr. Wootre spoke at considerable length. After which the question on the Address to her Majesty was put and carried unanimously. Mr. C. PLARNON moved that the Address be pre sented to his Majesty by four Nobleasen----the Dukes of Bedford and Leinster, the Eatis Grey and Gros venor. lie wished that these Noblemen should present it, as they would revive former recollections in his Majesty's mind they would be able to tell his Ma jesty that he at one time !named and pretent'ed to entertain similar principles---( Load cries of " Erskine," and cheers). Mr. MILLS, at the suggestion of the Chairman' read the Address, as amended by the Committee. He afterwards proceeded to remark, that there had been more public money expended within the last 30 years than during a thousand years before. Ile had crl culated the expenditure from 1066 down to the close of the reign of lleorge 111. In the reign of Wil liam the Conqueror the money expended was 400,000/. a year in tweuty-Jne years. Taking the reigns of the Plautagenets and other families during a period of seven hundred years, down to the secession of Geo. 111. the whole expenditure was 795,000,000/. While in the reign of tiro. 111. which was only 59 years, there wrs expended a sum of 2,357,000,0001. a sum three times as great as that expended dur ing Cie whole previous period to which be bad al luded. --- The Amendment was seconded and carried with onr-a^tMwsetrtirnt tole*, veva that et Mc. 11'i Baas. who was loudly hissed, as he was on the proposal of all the other Resolutions. After some observations from several persons, it was decided that the Dukes of Bedford and Leinster, Earls (key, Grosvenor, Darnley, Darlington, Car marthen, and Lord Erskine, should present the Ad dress to his Majesty. It was also decided, that the Sheriff should wait on the above Noble Lords, and acquaint them with the Resointioa of the Meeting. Mr. Sheriff WAITHMANT said that the Sheriffs had at this moment mach basilicas to transaet, but no time should be lost in carrying the wishes of the Meeting into effect. The Thanks of the Meeting were successively voted to Mr. Alderman Wood, Messrs. Brougham, Den man, Loshington, Williams, sad the other Gentlemen who defended her Majesty; Lady Ana Hamilton; the Public Press; Messrs. By.g and Whitbread; Sir U. Noel; Mr. P. Moore, and Mr. Hume. The thanks of the meeting was also voted to Mr. Nurses; for his exertions in detecting the couspi• racy of Mr. Franklin. Mr. reuses returned thanks. Moo *TN* sowed *She shooks of the meeting to their ~ay iltestrit, fest his mealy and dignified conduct is thmheir pond siiiiisseel. Sheriff Wastamos lotrrood thanks, and the ant lag broke of shoot eh o'eloek. 4 . A •1 It • rER M.lJisrl The fo!lowinz particulars re;ative to theQueea, ws publish as highly important to that illustrious and as affording another proof of her innocence an d the injustice of her rrsecntor.. Soon after the arrival of the Eng lishlalcneguLsiptetubsaict and when all manner of scandalous tales wer e disseminated at every Coffee-house and p resort in Naples, by well-dressed enthaus, to the mi le , of the character of the Princess of Wales, M a i a ,w e Perelli, the wife of 11. Perelli, who kept th e Hotel in Naples where the Princess of Wales had lorlg,ed, wrst ., letter to her relations, who reside at, and near lAnesit e , speaking in terms of the highest degree of lore s t „i veneration of the Princess, applauding her cond uct exhibiting a model of female excellence. And i n eye eluding her letter, Madame Perelli emphatically er , li , " I wish I could say as much with truth of all th e t a ; lisp Lords and Lathes who have visited ray house." It is essential to the due estimation of this laths ter. heartily, to give a sketch of her history. She ase ho rn near Lancaster; her family are Catholics; her maide n name was Vet lier family circumstances, if not opulete, were easy, and their v./iodation unsullied. Miss having received a very excellent education, went to haw as a governess or teacher; and after some yeasts residents married M. Perelli, 'gentleman well koovra to the Ikk i of Sussex, who married Lady Murray from his 11 041 e. Mr. Sicard, in his evidence, wade mention of this respe ll . able Italian, who, when he was last in England, visited the Royal Duke, and his son. These points are mention. eel, to show the nse that the testimony of such permit might have been to her Majesty. A Liverpool merchant, of forty years standing, sal ill that time an adherent of the Pitt system, having hew of the above letter, and thinking that the evidence of Mrs. Perelli might he beneficial to her Majesty, wrote, on the 19th of August to Mr. Wylde, a gentleman wkr owed his selection as one of the Queen's Counsel to the favorable opinion entertained of him by her beloved and lamented child, the Princess Charlotte. Mr. Wylde di. rected Mr. Vixen' to acknowledge the receipt of the Liverpool letter, which was delayed till the 2tith of September. A letter of as recent a date as the td De. cetnher, Ite2o, satisfactorily explained the cause of the delay in replying; anti the following copy of Mr. m' s letter to Mr.Visaril, will best explain the manly Whits of the writer, and the strength of his attachment to the Queen's cause. "I.iveitrooh, SIPT. 30, 1,29. . - " SIR—I have received your favor of the With inst. acknowledging the receipt of my letter to Mt. Wy l ie', of the 19th ult. I note your remarks about the time being so short as to prevent its being acted upon; bat calculating from the time I wrote to Mr. Wylde,if Ise had received it in due time, that could not have bees the case. I have not omitted to inform myself further re specting Mrs. Perelli's letter to her niece, Mrs. —. She wrote, I believe, in consequence of the Milan Com mission ; her words were as follows;—" The Princess of " Wales whea here, hired be greet splendour. She Lc. " hared with great tenderness and tirstility to all monad " ber. I consider her as as ORNAMSNT to her sex sal " her covvray. I wish 1 could say.* much for el the ENGLIPII NOBILITY who visit my house." I applied by letter to Mrs. --, for this letter ; but she, goad wemaa, says it has been mislaid. I rather think she has bee, alarmed at the idea of being brought before the public. However, be that as it may, it does nut appear to meet much consequence at present. It struck me at the time I wrote, that I wa. pointing out a person both able sad willing to serve her Majesty on that trying occasies; and be assured, Sir, I am actuated by a 'dove of-judos alone, in endeavouring to aid her Majesty's cause; whom I have always considered as a virtuous, persecuted, sail much injured woman, and I trust von are in e osaessist of such important information as will place in its proper light all the Wantons trash that the VAGABONDS wks hare appeared against her Majesty hare sworn to. "I am, Sir, your's respectfully, (Siimed) To William Visaed, Esq. * Messrs. Wylde and Visard have not the least idea of this matter appearing in print ; but they will 'read* acknowledge the troth of the statements; and that this letter was written by a gentleman distinguished for hi loyalty. Not a Whig real, nor tuna-serving,—amt • Reformer, nor a Radteal,—he forsook the banners if Lord Liverpool, and raised himself under those of bac Majesty, from the impulse ef.loyalty to the Housed Brunswick, and to the Constitution which placed the family on the Throne. THE ADDRESS OF 7'llB COURT OF ALDER MEN AND HIS MAJESTY'S ANSWER. Yesterday, the Lord Mayor, accompanied by Sir Wm. Curtis, Sir Wm. Leighton, Sir C. Flower, Alder man Birch, Bridges, Heygate, B.r John Si!rester, Bart., Recorder, Mr. Sheriff Williams, and the City Officers, left Guildhall about two o'clock, and pre• ceeded to Carlton Palace, where they were introduce& to his Majesty, and presented the following Address from the Court of Aldermen :-- TO TIIE KING'S MOST EXCELLENT mAissrn The dntiful and loyal Address of the Court of Lord Mayor and Aldermen of the City of London. Mos/. GRACIOUS SOVEREIGN.—We, your Majesty's tr.lst dutiful and loyal subject., the Lord Mayor sal Aldermen of the City of London. approach your Rep' presence with renewed assurances of our most inviotats attachment to your sacred Person and Government. Impressed as we are with veneration for your Mn jesty's Crown and dignity, we view with horror and de testation the unprincipled efforts of the disaffected hi every direction which infatuated nialicecan devise, ao& a licentious Press promote, to withdraw tbevuwaryosi. timid from their allegiance to their Sovereign. led . 111 the result to overwhelm this free and happy land with anarchy and confusion. For this hate purpose, ealumnies of the most mis chievous tendency have been circulated against all the constituted authorities of the realm with resiessasies abating rancour. The Pediment, the Georges( hill 6 cature, the Altar, and the Throne, as established bj Mr atvied and glorious Constitution, have become thy 010 ' frets of the most profligate abuse and insultleg detiolL We feel, Sire, that in order to avert the devasmeiell I threatened by such a torrent of impiety aad sedities. I becomes the bounden duty of all the liege sabjedg • the realm to stand forward without delay and avow** determination to support the principles of the firithb Constitution in the true spirit of British loysltyi rally round the Throne and guard the iteligiso 601 laws of the country from outrage and insult. The Lord Mayor and Alderuseo of the City ail.' don are therefore most erosions. Sire. to toottiL lll _ l6l country at large in this evil hour, their remstoutou defend the Mosarehy as well as the other bessellog the Constitution, afainst the attempts, dustrionsly made by the instigators and dition and infidelity, and to sae their utmost esiassof in their respective stations as Magistrates, nude s sanction of the laws, to transmit to their (NATI children the blessings they have derived fref,_., lll6l l, dom and bravery of their ' a ncestors, sad Whicw bffq ...- joy under your Majesty's paters's! sway. I!IPr7. I 1 r