The Statesman. — London, England, 1823-04-25 00:00:00

. r 1 . * f"~ `~~ k L THE STATES] KCliffil OR whom his Imperial Majesty hatkbetter make es- ii The Emperor, in his neat letter , said that when he saw that passage in his Lordship's letter , which etym., ed his intentions to provide the people of Warsaw with L Constitution, he began to conceive a different Opinion of • his Lordship, and it would be difficult for him to remote th*:. impression it made on him. rade, the cirevmstancro,, be thou4ht it better to let the correspondence deep.-0 (t laugh). One groat objection to the Constitution of e'Sonto was. that shit/ Ind not two Vltitinberi. The' No: hls.l:l4lkeliin his half-orklal:letter. told the Spaniards that tlf bed our Chantbor, Ant Abot .they ought an bars-se g ol WitUldshe Secretary of Stale for Foreign Affairs, or Sir ' William - A'C'enet, give that ingteol:ol to Awif eople Of Stparti to elf's., their Constitution, tf they hid sot been so ' ••lbstrnetiOre his ffl*stv's Ministeri? • It wss pot true • tbate-StiiiirkniatiCerwelitation. wps esperifeettt °Pk. It • trattettitertive Mott . sterol obßeatiOns. • Ma MI ate ye bearrrhafttse greatest *datakers of a resolution were it untietidell men's opidlents with respect tollitir in • thert:- le will stesafe to attempt to change what was.elitar • • Vilma rib•Wellinifily. The teal Stolidity of a Constitatloo . ."Ismi•founded••Orr the fidelity bf the people, and on their ad. • cilinonce to theta oaths. 'Another objection to the present ..Viestituttrin'of Spain wig. that the King could not marry /of orboete a *if& fdr hiMaelf. Neither could the King *lO this toiletry. The ,Noble Duke also said, in his note, :Mat thtt• Kik 'could' not perform his fanetions.—(A. - ,iiiireh.) m: Chetralbriand said. that his Majesty was /154 at liberty to go to wateiin&leees.—(A laugh.)—' The Noble Dnke again laid, that the Kiog was not trust• ed by IA (Internment.; but why was not the King -`tristecl"....--(Hrar, hear.): Was* worthy of being trusted) •.II yr to a:tnatter of some eirtrise tbiit it did net strike the • Meade Duke 0a thing ltispriCticuble - to niake4Re parses • trust anotlier,—(Hear, heir.) 'Another 'egg op made to the Speniardi by the authority of Miniatete,•', was to 'lame the valiftcations of the Members of ; their Ferns titent. Suppos, the Members of the Aluniser• had the -;. sired tiplificitigns, wq that a way to assitultem in the . .., ,for: qieri of *Obit functions ? bid their Lordships Aiiffiat 10,4 *gra Aliaimore trusted by the ponaseion of •v. P- ••ILasonnht geisha' certainly iu this country. It l.w.tliedie44tirinps,mitle.a viemte•anist the perfortisaocar • • • ..•of;skeres dinwtions •thatit Aces reconmehded to the Spa• • - . repiraschrio prortdinws',Chombers of Parliament. ilie'be. . ' noved eiseCceclArat the etitiraettr of the Syshidh people . ••ttdit tbey would set. lisOitto jtalif_flt use stiggitions.— ' .:Tlieronntry wide id ritionstritere against the toterfer— l'ent4..ofthlt Alli4it•Pnifitil-4rit ica•tt toomout of irritation 7 : - Ol.r . v .aslitallipeio:ty give up their Coostitutio n. • Few .. .' ... 4 SOW realt-Withotit tears the ancnifices the Spaaiarsla mere Illsqlcing in .the present aeruggle, but be hoped splialiti • lb• - itlt the spiriting the substantial manes of defooilierber• f . .Stalf. He had'ilio authority of Arguello!** ay . that no • Iniferation would be made in the • Constitutioli, . War or re was not die question now, Ile was &vitae ; Minis-. • /3 were for peace. They had Wee, and•wire shlej sure ethey would have peace? Did they not literally perceive' the • • falters of war'? Did they not hear of the canter. of t Spa -risli teasel by the French in the western •seaa by the Order •of fie French Ministers? Was • that like aft asneanee of -pertfc when that ship was indent? in this 'Omni to i tiny slake Wmount ? He remernbefeChaiing 010 the Noble 1 • Ear. (Liverpool) whether there •was any treat wilt Basle nr or the other Pt rt-bindirrg•fisiVeonittry toil France, and it: cpse °fin& treaty; bd isked,if Portage f ere to be at tract:kW. whit scone he the Mindett 'Oreille*, 'Earl woad uporne? The. Noble Earl inkweievi, that the illied Powdis bad not the same motive with respect -to Porttipel. Siff, be - • •wculd ask, if the establishment of the SPIV& eenstitution. • a! Lisbon did,not afford a motive 'entrees eftlist which led France to dlte Invasion of Spain.? Bur ft was 0 objection to the Spanish Rendition that it was effected by (byte. He. would ask if the amiable John would have granted Niagsa Ct.arta without force.—(lfter, heir.) 'Mere. wps a great. disdke smog the Aided Powers to the iberty of the press, and to the freemiroof debate io that and in the other House ; of Parliament. Yet the liberty of the press Mid 'of debate was the only check which this country had over them. With respect to the necessity-el preserving s bgilalie df power in • Europe..he fully contented • with the oplifons - vrhich were once delivered in that House by a ?debit - tot* (Urenville); rot thee in tite.Honee,ihttugh hefted sot the good fortune td agree in many :aspects with that Noble Lord. The posses,,, IllaWarlfaii by . IF rance wouidlead to the uniettltng.of Bathe-, isnee. Our.ant•estors were correct in their enfants, when they, oehlidered the lodepeuuleneeof Use Netherlands the best seen :ray of the safety of Europe, from the then inordinate power ._of Spain. Did the Noble Duke think the independeoce of Slain leap incesaary now, than Shay of 'the Low COuntries tit a formative:4o ? Bet if the Freunh• took military pin session of the Beeinsale, would not shebe wore formidable an she *as odabyfornier occasion? Had the decendabey 'of 'Fraiseel over the •totincils of Spills no effect on the 'Mite- of Europe since the peace of Utre'elit. It was to that inky astetitleney thatistinse wise persons, had ascribed to the • seemantlation of air bath:mil dent. The seven years' war widths Aniefican war wend*. eopeequences of that ascen dency. Stem the days otellizabeth, the greatest dancers to this *minify arose from the,combined attack of. the French ,and Speriphfimits in -the Americair war. This Noble LAO ,Mitt illatliiego mi.no danger now to be apprehended frost , Filmic. • IDrt d thle: e igoble fiord. mean that if the. Preneli teached tadiz and got the itit t r t )f Spain into their handl,. )bitOronid then alien/lon theeb try, and let the Spaniards • alone to settle Abele eitnatinticit '• This` ountry could not rid so *heft we, with !hi mnis, look po-nit:mot France.. °Austria did' net do 'ao . . in the bins of Naples and Pied '. moat. which Misreweas still under military occopation. Ile . Invest, boweser,..that-Spaio would be successful. Ile .thought pot. by the opiniuct of alinisters, we had lost .a globes. oppertunity ,of assistin g the weak against the i lld'abg lii a %pupa, the justice of w hich was cot disputed. innl.GllAKVllslskl•said lie did not think it upon.. Aatry to eater fully. into•the history of. the lets tegoeia ipifitna. lie was of opistiog that the papers as thett•inis l.oril- 3111tPs4 tahialree:oot Oil c onduct of Ilia Majesty's . M .hose.. In the eisitetinth...eiottuy all E r ttrqpe waa disialed ..tween tottenligioos, in the present age Alm %as . di rel4eolnto the aopporters of Monarchy andAlirmocraey. , .Tiae. So* Csard, after /04120 more observe...o9ns,, which wore inaudihbf,belper the bar, concluded by . naovistg an ittetendruests 19.014,1k05i.0f expressiog thetr l o Ogitaltios josseurrpm*in IM tonne penned 4 ,1,4. Ni . .l.,,ky f gi.- . Jima I and isyltiaoss their satiefnekpe, that by , litir•evettlan,. wor t etied from 1 • gostamtry ;.1•44 li ••sigtoioor tiwir rac•644.ittoiailits fir atone .tet revolt • war between lapse stud Sp a, awl givipc An nauratice to his Vainly, that he paight olwoyasoopt op theif conk:Queue..4la titr erant of beiwg,itionspellcd Id .. no ke 41,aelise part in,that war. . ~•• ~ • • - • Tier Maloof HUCK INtillAM. was auxitens..to have ,•Ortiat Viii cineatioe sacred frobrpopular chewier i but nn lidilliniiky no questiowlt id ken-toot* ya.diied by it than kid tioli6 7, 14 must be eritlif tit'ffgret , to Wit Noble and' 1 I IlisseliOna : Frlen &neer Metrithat:tliate for Wises had. 1 foughe should • had' so kit Vigetio; tkessibtres Me to pbinge Ettiope'aggifi.ibto disk r *Out begibite they lead. •leLitglit of their kilo* It w.ts'isiat Ifni is tie -lose teght of lanai. He for one tliditght italiiitikirdethit'itialttleoitht To reniain IA pehee. It was bat duly, affetirgtnigic n th' nation of the•dxswer of th ' e..4otit i . Bl4 . o A ,i 4o ..irtqc rou arc Will. and Iritl.itroreil: Wri. *III take" anfine at . neu rrality:, •It wee .alise • our ditty •not to reflneast other gopanes. the 'sights shot we ciainsed eursolves.• We Pa do. right to interfere with Itktaip, because iiir revolu tion could not injoce us"; . but We had no right' to say that France should not inteeere,•iflior security was likely to lie effected by the rewihr ion its Spain.* Franeersvid;.that. effortt were made by the Spaniards to deladeher people and seduce her artur.aed we t it s fight to Plo t 's llea o e did not believe tier, n at would r e re csistance of these,etteuipts: • .We had is right to offer un di atioc. but not tO go forpier. Aut, said the Noble Lsid, what will beccinte;of the balance of power, and quoted a • noble relation ot his jinn he woundsay, .the belatierf of powei,esmied by the Noble Lerd, was' a name—(llear.) • Miley !Oohed to the time of hattis XIV, they would . see' it wee not the influence of 'France over Spain ihtl PJrtupf tieefety !dust *as dreaded, but ever Spain ... ~. ..-. F- rFet f lir slio*frrel . , Ave, itgil.tbi ice of 'pniWii 11 0 I ne . • • C 6144 Tie agree • 4'i-there sviis any c se was, eien if there were, Ire tbought the country yea not io a state •te enter into war. Our commerce, inuwernotaves; and agricolltire were all depressed: poi (Too Lord said, that the former wig for the balance of power bird preserved the Netherlands—maw it Might be tireless al Hanover to Prussia. . Neutrellty be considered our duty, -hat if we should be forced into a war, whatever obloquy 'be might incur by the declaration, he would pray that we nn ht *not be celled into the field in support of the princiiles now acted on in Spain..,—Tear, brig, front the Oppotition.)—He was prepared for o. bulbs could feint the horrors of the Fiencli revolution; and he we,. persuaded that not one of the Noble bards Apposite, when in hie closet, could lay his hand en his heart sod say, that the revolutionary spirit did not still exist, sod eaten dearouring to overturn all regular Gesernmeals. But he would now call on those who governed this .country to recollect, that they called oa the country for thirty years to repel those principles, and the country aoswermi the call ; and if the same detestable principles were stilt in action, he hoped they would not now give them their support. ,• The Duke of SUSSEX said he did not agree with the Noble Doke in the opinion he had formed of the balance of power, on which subject he thought,the Noble Duke formerly entertained a different opinion. On the subject before the house he also entertained opiujons directly contrary to the Noble Duke's, but should not interrupt the debate by any - -- r_ _. _._ _ .... ~~ Vogl ikee imetthened statement. Lord KING thought that, in the recent negoeiatiult, our Ministers had stint their eyes, as if they were del*lsi mined not to see what was known to all the rest w the world. He bad read the papers with shame. ''alike was not one sentiment in them that was consistent, with proper and manly feeling—with those senti ment" that ought to be poseessed by, Minister' _sensible of what was slue to the intetesti and deo ratter of this .conntry. They • took credit to them: selves •for having ailed with prudence. The* Piesi dent of the Council said that peace was better than woe 0 but in the.course that hail been pursued by Ministers,. it was not prudence that guided them ; it was cold'-hearted apathy. Their Lordships must go to the time of dal Stuart. to find a parallel for such conduct, and to the pe. riod of Louis the Font teenth's reign, when the deterimn ation was avowed to aunt: Spain to France. 'At that period a like base principle might have been proclaimed, in somewhat similar language; they might fancy the Ministers of that day declaring to France—Do whit you will against Spain, we will not go to *sr. They might also imagine die Noble Duke declaring like lappitip at Verona; and endeavouring to allay the ferment. Mr. Fox, in observing on the remarkable circumstance of. Lord Churchill being sent to Paris by the bite Court. could not but remark how great that individual appeared: at one time, and how little at another. Some persons• were fond of tracing resemblances between the Duke of Wellington and Lord Churchill ; he regretted that there was so much resemblance in the principles of the missions on which they had been engaged. Viewing the r' salts o f our several tlegOCia: i 011.4. he thought this country had lost its influence by its fellowships and its allianCes with other Powers to put down what were called popular ;rights. •We now appeared enable to assert the best ;rights and interests of the country. According to the Noble Duke on the cross bench, we had done enough in -initiating one despot; hut be seemed to forget that we were now opposed to three despots, intent of one ; but 'that fact was nothing with the Noble Duke. Theta ' was, however; netting perfect to fittroan art ; and that Might afford consolation in now discovering that the grand pacification of Paris Was Mat :a work of Perfection. Time earl ofAIIFEDEEN subieitted that if the Pa pers, and the atats of the negociations, were attentively viewed, it would be found that the Fr.'nch Government , approached chi war with great reluctance. But nett if the Noble Duke had been as persuaded of the duplicity of France as Noble Lords opposite now were, he was rill 'Prepared to contend that the NOhle Duke was juetja 'Red In holding thirltngoaiete maintained is the tier , riation. Tilting Lord Londooderry's •Paper pf 18`2I as hid guille,4rilhout involving himself in epdless inter changes of Notes, the Noble.Dok 4 wisely directed all his attention and arguments, to show France the danger. that might follow the invasion of Spain. But the Noble -Lords said that our negoriators ought to have asserted •- higher tone. Had such course been adopted, besides imitating our difficulties, be questioned whether it would atif hie - largely contributed to make the war against - Volta popular in France. Had England need menacing ,laiirpage, what would have bu-n its situation at the pre sent ineient. especially if hostile measure' had been threatened withopt being adopted ? As to the conduce which the Ministers had to.pursne,- it would be recollect ed that they had to deliberate before they involved this country in hostilities. Were they, without the utmost deliberition, to involve the coantry in fresh taxes and. 'new difficulties, by engaging in a war of whiff' ' they cOpiti uot p o ssibly have calaplated _where or when it would end'? Had the Illiniaters so acted, he feared diet_ would have beep censured for their rashness; or had the' Noble Duke adopted the tone which some advised, he questioced whether the Noble Duke wonlil not have been accused 4 views ing with complacency that state of things which might afford.fresh opportunity for his personal' exertions. It hail been so said of the Duke of •Marlbo; niogis I 'it Might then have been so reinarked of the No• bleOulte.—(flese, hear.)'-Ile had, on the contrary, Is. be4ied to preserve pest" ; and lie could not bat thiok Hutt liiiittlie Noble poke unwisely pressed the sentiments of the ILOglish tiorernment in a menacing tone, the dif ficulties of the cowl would have been greatly increas el.--(lieer, bear .) e thought our conduct throughont had hem clear, to maintain steictimatedity; and Eng; land was constamentirpoWle a situation to be appealed to by either party. He shoulii; . without hestrattan give his vote against the mount!'; ,lie should have Sept hose to ensure any Ministers, whole yriaclitle tl4 peen tho giftpenance Of th easeace of this country . —t rene,lo ral . J MINLII . lf denied that his Noble tfrdir limit Ipientbe adeocaigi 'foe War t : god he maintabenia4babeet Mom decisive policy, nu the part of England, wooldl dem been more likely to secure the contiouioce of peat*: He doubted not that the Noble Duke had strictly adhered to his ,teetrnetions ; but las the negotiations, Englaini had lost sight of her high station—to be at the. head of libeeifpfmeiples, and net aiding those of despotism and •siaveryl - " - %lie:Duke of WELLINUTON obiereed,that Le felt it 'doe to likmself and their Lord4bili to ;rouble the ifouse ~ ritlitiOvins observations, lie stood before , their Lord . . . ;hips net ugly as a Negociator at Verona, but se.a Mem ber of the Cabinet that' had issnod the instructions able,' were acted upon at the Congress. He would rail on these Lords opposite; who censured. the course that had been famed, whether they would hare advised a course of piece or war C They bad argued far war; but their conclusiorts {Mt been peace.—(ll.ar.) He went to Vero na wi; h instructions to maintain neutrality. He forward el to Ministers, from time to time, report' of th e pro. ceedings there ; all the important parts of such docu ments had been •commanicated to tarir hardships; and on those papers he confidently rested his defence. Is would he recollected, that it wei to the -Sovereigns and Ministers of other States that he had to address each arguments as lie deemed best c slculated to maintain the _honour at England and the peace of Ent- me ; sad that he had to act conformably to the principles laid down in Lord Londonderry's paper of Itql ; the principles of which paper were not admitted by the• Ministers and Au thorities art' Foreign Powers. He was sent to Verona to ,wefuse to become party in any way In any ieterferense with Spilt. On that principle he s ood. lie iti,l an . . . .. .. • .. • induce She French jlgrircorti.2-%- ig. the threatened step aleialit Main. n lensive propositions aploptted, i w s said add been the dupe of the'7rencia that offensive proceedings wereconteinplated. Not only be. bat the Government at item saw dieverribiiirrof airm6inie °Mations vo the part of. France. Was he to be toll' that he ought at sue t time to have adopted lan ;wage, which the Soverelgos and Mtntstersairaildtave Illtetexd insuisiog and menaciug? Mrasit to be Pad. that Jot ought than to have urged . ,pointa Of paper of 1821, &c., instead of pressing these observations. ftstdl arguments which he knew would, At least. experi ' neve attention ? He was thinkftil to those Noble Lord/ -who had expressed an anxiety that •he should come out the inquiry clear; yet he meet regret, that with all anxiety, they shoulttlisee:perverted -his language, *Melt Ire maintained they had to tot instances. He eras told 'us hail disobeyed his instructions. This was netthe fact, and it was not sspportcd by the papers. •When he learnt that there existed the determination on ',be part of FrassOe to interfere, by menace or force, with he promptly declared, that England woeld be nu party to such proceedings ; and on reference to the pa pers; it would be loud, that he had expressed each de claratiop on the part of England, in as strong language as could well have been need.' As to the maintenance of the Army of Observation, he thought Frew was jtis- Mid in having maintained it: when civil war and re hellion were raging in a neighbouring kingdom, W 44 not France right In placing herself in attitude of defence and e rotection? No person, he thought would dispute the right and propriety.of such acoceeding ? When of fensive operations were threatened, he repeated, he omit ted no opportunity to make all the representations that lie deemed it hie -duty to make against such proceedings. He was prepared th abide by the letter which he person ally sent to-Spain, and which was mainly founded on his former connection with that county; the principles a the letter were, be thpacht, clear, and he some reason to believe that his tannage might steel- Beate the preservation of peace. It .called on the Spa 'sheds, as they regarded theli own interest+, to Inekt some coneessions for the - take of preserving peace. Ile apuloe-,ized for hiving troubled the House; but lie could. notallow the opportunity of umic;itg these observations escape, without thus far trespassing on their Lordships'. attention. Earl GILEY rose, and Arid he would offer some ohms'. vatiens upon the policy of this citatory, as :it had been described by the Noble Lords who had spoken on the other side. lie dies:Wawa for himself or Ms Noble Friends any desire to impute blame to the Noble Doke' who•liad eandacted the riegocietitirs.whiuh PM now be fore the [louse. It was 1,10 vain eeitoplisuent to say that be had justly acquired artery by lA* brilliant tektite at ta former period of his life, It was to be lowleoted that these est.:tin:keens should have been teroished ip the re cent. trantaikkiiii. He, had heard with surprise, that ceibe Winitifdlirik,it, was the determination of bill Ma jeety'sllitstateis Ye, Remain tranquil. What a strange doctrine web' thia.?" Oh, unhappy country, that now couid sett qu ietly when the conflict was going *tensed which might tender an influence and ascendancy dap: yrroos to its liberty 1 It was asserted, although SOP should behmiklertel to France, Gceat Britain would have ao cancer/I.ln rescuing her frets that thraldom. Th.,: Nusile Earl said, were it not at so late an hour, he affsold go through the details of the negociatione, Through-. out the coarse of those negociatiuns relating to -Frame. and Spain, hie Majesty's Ministers had shown favour to France.--.(ilear.) With :revert to the Army of Obser vation, that was a measure which doubtless tended. to Ir ritate and provoke the Spaniards. The inanrreetipes wave excited by that armed Corm protected sod:en couraged the system. Such ameasure must be rept* bated as ao iniquitous proceeding. So late as July - lot the most solemn assurance was made by the King of France, that this Army of Observation, this " cordon sanitaire ' " was only iuteuded to prevent the epidemic • ordeefronv paring into the French dominions. At that very time an agent was living in Paris, carrying on ;communications with the disaffected in Spain. Did not the English Ambassador know this ? If lie did, why did he not communicate it to his Majesty's Government? — In answer to a question put by him (Earl Grey) to the Noble Earl opposite (Lord Liverpool), a night or two back, the Noble Earl admitted that information had been received that French intrigues and French money had been used in Spain; and although no direct proof was produced, yet there was every reason to believe that such were the facts.—(ifear.)—. Was it possible to hear these things, and War feel the heart moved by them ? Could those measures he. Jesti ded ? The despatch from the Spanish Ministry was written in the noblest simplicity, and ought to have pro duced a different effect upon the Allies. The Noble Earl alma alluded to the state of Ireland, which he represented as bring in a state almost of actual rebel lion; and he pat an hypothetical case as to the French Government interfering with it, as between this coun try and Ireland. He then reverted to the Army of Ob servation, and maintained that Spain had an unloubted right to demand that army should be withdrawn. Ile begged to know why Ministers had favoured the injus tice of France, as it regarded that measure, sad . shrank from defending the common justice which Spain bad a right to demand? lie frlt shame and hamitiation, tis an Englishman, at such conduct. The French Gevern meat hod not given the least assurance that peace would be restored, should any concessions on the part of Spain be granted. There was not a word to that egoist in all the documents which Monsieei Chateaubriand tiA'd ,dl . l- t a ted. Military - preparations were still going ,lbritard_. l Could the British Minister see this without 'eutit?; What were the principles issued by Prance?' They, were, that Spain must yield to whatever that (lowa-, ment should dictate. Tbe best friends of Spaie had as serted that some change was "necessary; bat the model adopted-by France was not likely to lead to a henefiCial. result. 'Nb legitimate measure was proposed, and pope practised. .Chateaubriand had been called n "tanner bad-books, and worse speeches, he (lord . should say he was also a • sulker •of bad state papers. 'llls reasoning about thrreoncessions which Spain ought irp mate to France was As' *reek. as his cause was bad. Item ridiculous tO telt Or %a qusntuni of concessloo which might be made, for any concession, under these cir emanates, *meld be a surrender of principle. Ile could not staid up and say, that peace was not consistent with the hatemar of this country. He bad ever voted for peace In the course of his political life„.except when war was Ine vitable. But to warrant the necessity of war, be should be eeorleeed that the catering upon it was eonsistent with tbe interests of this country. Without going into discussion of the merits or demerits of the Spanish Constitution, it was clear that the English Government could not sanction the claim of right which Francs assumed of interfering iu the internal economy of *nether State. No man venerated the Whisk Constitution more than he (Lord G.) did, but he was not blind to its defects. Amongst theie he believed the present Constitutioa of the House of Commons to he the lea Aug one. He would wish to see that Constitution re formed,but.if a foreigner were to suggest that it was danger ous to the peace of Eurepe, and that it ought to be alter ed, he would he then so wedded, even to its defects, that ra ther than cons. nt to the least modification he would shed the last drop of his blood.—(Hear.) Thu present invasion of Spain was founded upon principles as exception able us that of Buouaparte, which provoked this cowl try to aide agaiu.a France. It was admitted that the principle of interference was unjust, but it was said that it did not touch us ao nearly as to call upon us to inter pose. This reasoning could not apply, when the daoger ass at our doors. The Noble Earl's backweriluess to proceed must arise from either of two causes---tunt he was so opposed to liberty, that be preferred seeing Fr.nca triempheut than that liberty should prrisrer-- ~.. ~_,_= • :~...~ I ' # i ) I Oe; tr noteikesandireg„hin Welts ,of • 1144:- ya d er of this eolutily^bb.lad,• been [hi e administration disabled fron d taking that course ich the national honoer demanded, and our ancestors would have follooe L—(Hear.) •I3ut, though war might be • the consequence of assuming a firmer tame, it did not fol low that it would be an immediate conwiewnee. If this • country, in her mediation, had assumed a inertly attitude, onmeniglasleam bees *sweated. No onenseeld-earthet • decisive tone wool I not avail, when it bad trot been tried. It was not given to us to look into the womb of - twi see what fruits certain seeds would produce, when the serdi had not been sown. The advantages of a peece o%taincd for Spain by our manly interference would have been inestimable-so this country. A harrier to tho illabitien of Franee•-•A closer alliaoceoritleSpniM—all effects whirls we suppose her gratitude would mirk' far eseepeact with her colonies—together with more sub stantial commercial advantages, would hare bred some of thetenents d-ri veil from so desirable a consummation. If the altitnotire was war, we should came to the contest with a 'vantages which we never can pliSseis again— With a good raise, the approbation of Europe. the good reill of tSpeits and of the people of .Franue itself. liet ',whet bad arailed, after all the surrender whiela we of emit of theaationel hatemar ? Had war.been reeen eso ? It had nut.—(llater.) But it was sail that our interfer ieg Would make the war popular in France. • That 'Meta bi 4he rase if we were the ageressors, ant the French Hoeernrnent were acting defensively; but wh , n we were obliged to act in self-defence, oar interference co ol not make the war more palatable ta the .French p e ople. At all events, whatever goods spirited inteeferenoe might hire done. it was.elear thatstame conduct bad douse no era ries, fur peace wasoot yet savored. It pas saad that even if the French were successful, horse not inteneed so take mi litary occupation of Spain. lie OW not believe it. France damndest of the Spauierals that they should stow: toils. Was the shareef.pewer which be formerly oeseeseed. This demand, if secitessfully enforced (attach time in late meats, .forbid), must .make the King unpopular. file moues mimic be effected, but it could not be prepteved witlioatthe :debt foreign bayonets. Hue If the Attempt dial succeed, what ryas the dagger to this country 'I Spain, It was true.did nut poo sees a navy, hut the had a large extentor C 03.4, and every means of restoring her shipping. Ail tt.ese advantages must fallinte thaohends, not of the French alone, but Of vhe Holy Alliance, by whom France was supported. And was there limners danger to the.coantry t Let the llouseitonceivevha hosts ofMe forced who are leequed tuaet•er for tne &Prue tion of liberty—toe Cosseeko of the insolent despot of the North, who goats familiarly of the " the Western Pro vinces of Furohe," eateaticiag to.stale Cie altered Ileum of freedom in its last haunt in these i.leuds. Let theta tint, of the fawnlike *hie!' Spain would give to t`tese leerte>s des petit! rulers, and they would feel too ex oedioncy of taking some step In self-defence, whilst it unit be Cone to adios tags. These *ere not idle fears—Whilst a ildifillianee existed all rational liberty W provrihril, Hurtled was ea exeeption to -Contineutal policy—her inetitetions seem a bed example to the Maud sleeves of other &totem Tim laws of barbecues Hooka were now aware to be diremlvad, than eves that .power which Napoltlellattempted to constraet pram the ruins of a prostrate world. lf, on the oilier hole, France was puseccessfel, was this el/mitre ?Iroi s e:dig we slat Veinier iu repelling au invasion by Spain.? (hear, beer, bear). U. (Lord U.) Impel Coo, malt er any rir eurestene,ts we slipup[ [sot be induced to take part with France after the couduct she has roomed towards Swim Whoteeer the reach thou was, nor inseroS amid eraloag ob:ige us 14 take a decided part ore aroy-Or the other. Considering the importmace of this euwolry, it was impossible thai we ,could reeieteip [seer. tang in any event. The alterastive then of war or pore was sot fairly pat. The question was not now whither wo shmid not ovoid war, Intl unite what circausgsnemit was 01- visealle to undertake that which was inevitablei Whether it Pas better toga to war at once, than to ester upon a peace, the length of which most precarktuk, and the Mwmio result pf which mast he war. sl'esitever the re sult se i g h,t 1 14 be klaird G.) could only fervently may that this country. wh4h Lad been so Waif the Seposita,/ of the sacred ti o uge of Libertyoisigitt ant he. lostoinoire hoet of netionshieb at present have 1 , 10 all ree o lleetion pf blessings , no lad coins forward, io order $b relieve himself from the imputation which WWIel attach to every public man, whose silence mi,:ht be contrued into a sanction of these aggreslous. lie hot been sick its to e e but a hasty view of so compreliensOe a stO-ject, but the lateness of the hour now prevented Lim f rA n Kivint• full scope to his feelipos. Ile 'wished, therefore, only once more to discluipt all pNi a tipation in a pleasare which was fraught lob Aat logo diagraceo and to say that the vote which t he should, , glee upon . this occasion, or; given sith 4 asaysch sinceritylas any he ever gamin Lie life. The EatieflatVEßPOOL said, that the speech of the Noble Earl wbo bad just sat down had et least °X merit, that of being intelligible. lie had spoken nut; he bed not dioguised his sentiments; but free the lace guage of the address which had . been prooosed by the Noble Baron it was impossible to-say whether it vesat pence Or. Argr. /felled expected from the preeesiing diss cuSsions whicb,Mok place to bear expressed in the art. dress, you,sisoaid have done this at A'erone, or that at Paris." Illetkesteed of eatbodying the case of the Noble Lords opposite, it is fact was constrocted to catch a tea rotes, by saying aotiiine at all, and blinking the entire question.—(Hey:; hearq—The English Government had a most dilhealtpoint Id determine, whether he should adopt war or •heattality,. and having chosen netitiolil they were bound tespehic their ppigonts and state their detertnioatitun'telily and Candidly. . /deny men were led inko error. 11159 ming the question by the motion; " 111111..yeariplea is neutrality, but your policy should boes•beepdbferest; but he was sure thew Lordships •oroolalfeel 'Heat Uwe. consistent with the liononr and aligsity of tit% coantry to abstain from osensce, unless ee itedibtendAl is fotlevrit up with war. In that ca'c, oar liognige ih6o4 . hire been, ' If you invaie Spain, we tell you as elituy as you, please, we will not consent to it.' But the.intitianit neetrality was chosen, then it would ,have been dnaproper use strmng language." ills Noble Friend had not been called upon to date or declare opiniews. The sentiinentshati been avowed over , and over again. There was no chance of coovineing the Allies that thest Were-wrong and we were right, but We had a chance (and comae was, more thirty than hie N'f• ble Friend) ttlfonvinee them that their interests were ne• posed to the invasion, and he therefore eddreas-d the most powerful principle—their interest. Tbe Noble gall had omitted one material cousideeatiop with referee?* t o the state of Spainin the year 184/8, and that in whioa. sae now stood. ' In ISOS, Spain was united, how she was a divided confitry. There was a decided division is Cot country, nova very eeequal one perhaps, between dime who favoured and those who opposed tl.e Cons!itution. - 11is, he contended, formed a material consideritiou in the great qnestimo of peace or war. The Noble Lord says, " Youare 4 peace,, but are you likely to remain so?• tiro (toted Liverpool) was ready to admit that we ought to be at all times prepared for war, paricalai , v in the event of disturbance in rountries so eoutiguous as *Frans, or Stain ; hut before we embarked id so great an 'evil, he sconceieed it to be the duty of those who obi: ' nistered the retworces of the country to calculate abut o w i e ti re le t t e ar c . han ti c : s w , a n s n r d e se ad h y at to sco n t i l l ai ni h t e t t h h e e ju p s r t o ic b e ab a le the res pr e i l l ts . ciple, that to avoid a greater evil, a lesser oug•it sometime to be inclined ; het that principle Was not upplicable, he contended, in the present instance. That Prance could aot succeed in subduing Spain, te.less the whole populan in of the country rose in her favour, he was firmly c olatiaced. — If she were assisted by the whole population of that commis the question would of course be there . But looking tore 'Alum' situation of the two countries, he th o ught the s oi t t• ' cation of Spain, under any other circumstance s . i opossioe Spain was a country as large as France; it was iutsrieetio by lofty mountains, watered by deep risers, and the viler'!" tor of its people was of itself a stiffleier.t barrier asksosl rasion, awl wonld Alford the most cleCtual resistance. I". we w Tf se time hriie that said, dr►p of ii con' and t&ilt crAt 3 n.l the ~~{ nob .1 8.1. Me but Wit • wit • for, etrt Iti s Via • ea tan , . teal P°' to i Lot is a of Co •od. • nri kau DO in • kr • 101 .. t 1 40 f< It r I ...r"wook, Atsll6lll6o. PL— ...dimmarefftras- - iete * "~ .e.