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of . _ say that an Member has a right to make a sh an assertion, however obnoxious my Constitu ents way be to the corrupt portron of this House.— ihile a right to call it so—the Noble Lord was de veted in disgraceful prattieme—he was taken in the f ac t, sad ex uno disce owlet; that was only one in. woe of a consistent systein of pt offigacy. Mr• Inn URN rose to order : the Honourable avo w was not entitled to call the House corrupt. The SPEAK ER.—The Honourable Baronet, from b i g e verience in Parliament, must know that she i la taage just used is a breech of the orders of the jir FRANCIS BURDETT.---" I know, Sir, that r antrary to the rulei of the Rouse. I wish it ~r e a lso contrary to truth"—(Order, order !] Mr. EL SUMNER thought, that es the Hon. Ba. N ot bad allowed that lie knew he was transgressing the or ders of the House, his words should be taken d a nii.—Nrien of No, noo Sir FRANcts BURSA fr.—" It is quite indif ferent to me. I will say but one word more : I can- Not u nderstand why my language with respect to this measure should be called equivocal, when I h 4 se exit: ebsly declared, that I do not care one straw e , :oat it." •SirJOIIN SF:BRIGHT explained, that he did no s roan to cast ally reflection upon the Electors of ly..,t r n;nster: tie only alluded to certain persons, w h om the lion. Baronet was in the habit of addres sins in l'alace.yard. 5.- F. The lion. Baronet should be irforb ed that the Householders of Westminster are th Electors. The Noble Lord has termed my ar;umentS equivocal ; now I do not care one straw whether the measure is or is not carried. lam only sorr y that Gentlemen of the country have interfered, L id that the people hare been deluded by it." Tye Petitiou was then brought up, read, and laid from HI nit the I , It I, • `ll-1 gI'AT MAN: 11 r. WILBERFORCE begged to know what had 11 %Ili 1441 t Congress respecting the Slave Trade. 6 .. 1 CASTLEREAGH intended to give some in nit that subject in his general statement. rt.iNbONBY said, that if the Bob's Lord ~_~ meant to enter into a general statement on Wednes- i laced. He admitted tads pelnciple generally, but did' but be thought the agricultural batik!! *Mottle! dti day, without previously' laying the necessary docu- ithei , not see that the peewee state of circumstances aupportril. .. meets before the House, bee mu st protestagetust givsl wee inapplicable? if the whole of E ur ope we r e Another' MEMBER, as to whom We were in the ing any opinion on such ieformation. He must, I ender oue Govertiteenteself it •were tine great tali. same prielicamere, spoke shortly in favour of 76t. id therefore, put in his claim for time. Ily, , if 'all were as mach disposed tie dispense hap. preference 4o 80'. • Lord cnsTLERF,AGA merely intended to give a , pleats as they were often found to injure oils another, Mr. GORE LANGTON said he should oppo s e general-outline of what been done at Co ngr es s . Ih e s h ou ld t h en say, let every country produce that the measure, hecause he thought ii altogether unite- General GASCOICNE presented a P e titi o n from . which the nature of its soileuelenther cireumstantes cessary ; and it was a known maxim in legislation, Liverpool, signed by 48,000 persons, preying that may ieoder beneecial; and lent ifipply other tuitions that every thing tentiecessary should be avoided. The no alteration might be made i n the' C o r n L a me He with its supe ra bundance. Nothing would be mole voice of the petiele was decidedly against the mea. . observed, that when the Corn Bill was first intro- just than that principle; hat it was worthy of the Bure t and he should conside r himself as an uno or duced, a great difference o f o pi n i on ex i ste d i n th e I mos e ser i ous consi d eration, that those very countries ; thy Representative of the County of Antitersetos Idris town of Liverpool as to the propriety of that mea- i frotn which we might derive supplies, were countries , he had the honour to represent, if he emit! he in. sure ; but as soon as it was found to what length the i which, at ho great length of time might be united duced to support such in abominable proposition as House were proceeding, there was but one general ' nediest this nation.—[ffeer, hear!]—lf that were i that contained in this Bill. sentiment, and the Petition had been subscribed thd cam, we had sufficient reasons for not trusting to ,' Mr. C. GRANT said, he differed With the last without any meeting having been called. With rN• their kindness, or good policy. As to having been speaker as to this Bill being unnecessary; on the spent to the riotous conduct of the populace in the supplied by France at a a partictilar period, he begged contrary, it was most essential to the interests of the metropolis, he would only obse r v e , th a t a measure t h e H ouse to remem b er, that that was not owing to country that the price of this article of manufacture I of this kind must naturally produce great sensations, the situation of our commerce, but because the so truly interesting to the whole community, Mimed ! . though not disturbances; and l i e h o ped that Mini-, French Emper or f oun d it a p ro d uc ti ve source o f b e ascer t a i ne d as near l y a s poss ed e . T h i s could emir i sters would adopt effectual measures to prevent a I revenue. ' But would Ge n tl eme n put th e h a ppi ness . b e d one b y secur i ng a su ffi cient and a permanent snip. recurrence or them. lof so many millions upon au issue like that ? Would ply. in order to effect this, it would be necessary ' I Petitions were alio presented from Chesterfield 1 they trust to the mercy of France for supplies? Would to encourage the agriculture of this country by a 1 and i, 't omen, against the Corn Laws. I they trust to any commercial interests whatever ? No; protecting price. It was well known that a precede Lord MILTON moved for papers relative to the ' there could not be any troth morecertain then this e . • ous market was always a deer market, Whilst a rege. New Post-eifice.—Ordered. • lilt!, great country like England should be independ. tar market was ever a cheap one Mr. BARING presented Petitions from Plymouth ent of fereeen nationswith regard tohersupplyfor food, Mr. MARRICAT said, that after baring on dif. Dock, the parish of St. Mary-le-bowie, and Taunton, Providence bad given us the means of satisfyiug all our 1 torrent occasions delivered his opinion on the present against the Corn Laws. He feared, however, that , waogs e epd we shook! be ungrateful and undeserv. i measure, it was not his intention hi hale raid a word Moose Petitions, like all others, Would be laid open ' dog. It Tedid not avail ourselves of its kindness. He !on the present evening, had it not been that the No the table, and disregarded. An important discussion - was aseheished, therefore, to hear Honourable Mem. ble Lord in the blue ahemd had blended the late bad been raised upon the Westminster Petition,' ben- erre, that we should depend oil the policy of I disgraceful proceedings with the opposers of the Bill. which he was unwilling to prolong, or be should f ore i gn nat i ons f or our c ad ence . Did the great i [Agree cry front the Minfsterial side of No, no !1 have replied to the appeal of the Noble Lord, as to commercial Gentleman, who had spoken so frequent.' He was glad to hear the impotetion'distisimed, for ' disavowing any intention of inflaming the public ly on that subject, suppose that France would not i be had so Anderstood it. • mind. He considered it altogether unnecessary for • raise the price of corn, when the demand for it was Mr. GOOCH gave his cordiesupPerf to the Bill. him to disclaim such intentions • and lie thought that increased? It:the Honourable Gentleman would con- Sir GILBERT HEATIICOTE rose, and there teem who disapproved of the Bill had much to con- sitter that point, he would find that all the reasoning ! being a cry of - Question, Question! the Honourable ,I4olaiii of the prejudices which the riotous behaviour was not confined to one side. Ue would next say a i Baronet asked the Gentlemen who seemed thus dis. A Petitioning ma— •of the mob had excited ; for he felt persuaded, that few wordsiweep the policy of promoting the agricul- posed to interrupt him, whether they thought they Corn Laws. I with the general voice of the nation against the mea- tare of the country ; and instead of speaking of the saw in him one of tho se r u ffi ans ou t o f d oors , w h om M r . WHITBREAD rose anti said, as his motiog sure, Ministers would not have proceeded with it, c oun t r y Gentlemen in the way which the Honourable they seemed to dread, who was likely to 'be in. • respecting Foreign Itelationt stood for Wednesday ! had they not deemed it necessary to show their firm- Gentleman had done, he would say, that it was the timidaied ? But he could assure tbese Gentlemen, se e, he skculd be glad to know whether the adili. loess on the occasion. He lamented that the Hon. pride sod honour of this nation, that we had that I that whatever might be their disposition or efforts, cr e el Treaty of Chaumont had been ratified. Mi- Brironat had not given him any assistance against the r ace of men in the country who fertilised the districts ,he was not to be restrained 'from the performance ° m i s ters had been frequently questioned on that sub- , Bill ; and he thought, instead of the country gets- around them, more than any other country in .of his duty, which naturally led him to depre. yet, and had always answered that it was unratified; tlemen having been made cat's-paws by Government, Europe. The manufacturing interests ought, no cate this most mischievous measure. It was, be eat he then wished to be informed, whether the No. that Government had been made cat's-paws by. the doubt, to be protected; .and be was persuaded, that observed, strange to hear some of the most zealous tee Lord (Castlereagh) bad it with him, and whether country gentlemen. As to the, unfortunate trans- he, who had sprung from a commercial stock, and partizans of this Bill state, that it was not likely to he intended to lay it en the table ?--At the same action in Burlington-street no man could deplore it bed so long represented a district where manufactures' produce any material benefit to the agricultural time, he wished the Noble Lord to state, whether more than he did. ' Great sensations must naturally le swished to a vestment, would never be suspected interest, while they pressed for its adoptiou . The i; *ere true that Bonaparte had landed with troops in .be excited; but he entirely disapproved of the beim. • ait undervaluing commerce. But he wished it to be benefit then of this measure was merely problemati. Frame? ! viour of the mob, and 'admitted that persons were remembered, that no less than one huisdred and fifty cal, white the evil its proposition occasioned was ' Lord CASTLEREAGH replied, that the rutin- justifiable in repelling attacks upon their houses. He articles were prohibited (or the purpose of favouring real. It had occasioned an 'universal ferment, and Winn of the Teeaty had been received, and would , would not go to the length of approving all that the our owe, manufactures. The w hole would he injured would it then be wise to press it while the good look. be included in the information which he intended to Honourable Baronet had said respecting Parliamen. in the end, and none more than the manufacturer.-- led for from its adoption was soconfessedly uncertain I give to the House. As to the lauding of Bonaparte in tary Reform ; but he felt persuaded that the conduct The agriculturist most be paid somehow or other ; ! The House had heard a great deal of the distress noire, his Majesty's Government had received offi- of the House on this measure had done more injury but people would give op some things, especially , prevailing among agriculturists,ind bedeplored that cal information of that event. to their reputation with the people than all the irreales •of luxury, for necessary food. Notwith.; distress as much as any man ; bet it - Arnold be re. Mr. WHITBREAD trusted, that the Noble Lord speeches which the Bin. Baronet had ever made. standing, therefore, all timelier! been said on behalf ! collected that the extent and seetwity•Of this dls.. wed& on Monday neat, put the House in possession Mr. BRAN 0 observed, that though he had always of the manufacturing interests, the Hoare should con- ! tress rested solely on asaertion, while the distress rf the Treaty, preparatory to the discussion of a . been attached to every thing that might proei4T Par. shier the situation of the peasantry, who could not ,of the manufacturers in consequence of the . Ostlers , gritc.riety of important topics; and he hoped it liamentary reformation, set lie disapereveti of the weed to plead t it own cause ;—they should roe s ,' in Vettricil w.aa--faxue-iaiesP•A--aibigeritee—e- rterc••• - -,ould he found, in the emu of the Noble Lord's introduction of that subject as cossueceid.. witkettio -ogee. aliens imp ss titre - 111 - tter - ratliaAtint wit - h .- ion , House. Yet to the latte who ma :from the ---. ititarmation,that crreat flitalii sad theektlied Poeson present measure, whet her bittivilettoerable !turnout, tiesesead tongues, to pretest them and their families., i operation of • legislative . p lt. at . ' ;ens made leeprnerredan'emmacelate character, consistent with .or the Honourable Geiitisunlw• ' Every visi s ig bele- Mai respect fat the reetrlcting price, be had net Iby the Legislature to - . tiny . :lie' compete. OP principles they bail professed in the proceedings ' rogeneous and inconsistent had been touched upon tmard one slag!. argument to show, that beause the sation at the expellee alike other classes of the of Congress at Vienna. by the Honourable Gentleman in the coarse of his sum was fixed at 80.., i the price of corn must neces- community. But hot* different the aneesore which Lord CAS I'LEREA.G II thought it strange that speeches on this subject ; and after having done wily be raised to that extent. But that price would : some legislative landlorsts were about to deal nut tLe Honourable Getitienian should call for the pro- every thing to inflame Ow public mind, he thee said afford a sufficient inducement to the agriculturist to ' to their tenantry in this instance.—[Here There &eerie Of the Treaty before the supplies had been that he had acted from feeling and conscience. The improve Isis lands, because he knew that his espencesi Val again it cr,' of Question, question !] The Hon. Bt. voted. 'Hon. Gentleman had declared, that the country gen- , would be repaid by it. He should have thought, ! said, not ii it let .iiding the cry of question, that in this Mr. WHITBREAD desired to inform the Noble . tlemen had made cat's-paws of the Ministers; hot, ! however, that 765. were a sufficient price; but he saw ;! last stage of this obiroxious Bill, he felt himself in. hid, that the stoney had been voted ; and, there- however he might then lament the situation to which most distinctly, that it would be better to go beyond i dispensably called upon to oppose it. He bad heard :are, the Conveation ought to be laid before the' he had reduced the metropolis— ;what the consumers thought necessary, in order to I no new arguments in support of it, and therefore, douse. I Mr. TIERNEY rose to order. lie was sure there ; intstect the growers. He said, therefore, it would be I remained fitmly of the same opinion, that if the Lord CASTLEREAGH said, that the Treaty I must be au end to all debate if such consequences 4 . with considerable epprehension he should stop at ' House passed the Bill it would put the whole king. should be presentee with all convenient speed. ! were to be attributed to his Honourable Friend; and, 701. if those persons more conversant with the sub. i dom into a state of dreadful ferment.—[A cry of Mr. TIERNEY observed, that the money had therefore, he thought it better that the House should 'ject then be was should persist in iueferriit sou. • 1 No, Po, no! frogs the 111;aristerial Benelies.:l,-- been voted in confidence, and the only reason as. adjourn till the metropolis were in 4 state of perfect thoegh it Ite were guided by his own opinion, he' Gentlemen might cry No, no . but he referred them 'hoed fur net prMlucing the Treaty before was, that tranquillity. ' ' should deem 765. sufficieut. If, however, the lower to. the innumerable petitions from every pert of the the ratification had not been received. The Noble : Mr. BRAND was under correction ; but if any peke would or was likely to diminish the cultivation kingdom, signed every where by the most respect. Lord, however, seemed to consider, that lie was Hon. Member ascribed improper motives to those of land, be thought it might produce an injury !able classes of society, r as well as by the manufactor anting a favour in declaring that be would present • who supported the Bill, it was natural for him to re- ;to the dountry that would be terrible to contemplate. ring, labouring, an . d sower order. ; and he would it to the House; but he (Mr. Tierney) demanded it ! pal the charge. Ile wished, however, to Show the On this! head, one side was as murk concerned as the: ask them how they could fly in the face of so !early its a right, and would tell the Noble Lord, that that incongruity of the Honourable Gentleman iii intro-' isther,—•-thetonauther as much as the grower ; motet* thousands on thousands who felt themselves deeply Minister betrayed his trust who neglected to produce , (luting Parliamentary Reform. The Hoessfaronet i the alteration of one-fifth might tend, as had been interested, without Opposing they Mist create A a Treaty, after he had received it. Whatever the seemed to concur a ith him (Mr. Brand) on the ; represented ; to introduce a scarcity of corn, it should ; very groat sensation in the whpte country. Ilitt Noble Lnrd might think of that language,- it was, he Corn Laws, and lie concerted with the Hoisooratile ,at aU. events be Avoided. Ile was sorry to be ob- I high price of 80s. had been fixed as a ' fair remit conceived, completely Parliamentary, and not li- i Baronet as to Reform, but not precisely lir the same I Hied to deliver such sentiments aa this subjaccas i nerating price, but he had heard no other authority able to those objectkos Which the Noble Lord had ! way. The two subjects ought not to be connected ! they might differ with those of many persons in the i fur it but the opinions of Surveyors, who had beea made to the speech of an liminurable Baronet. The , on this occasion. i West Riding of Yorkshire, with whom ho had for. ! proved to be interested e iVirie ensued much cough. Hem had a right to know what Treaties had been I Mr. BARING contended, that he was strictly in i mutely mated, a n d fo r wham he had the highest respect ; 'ins, and other signs of frepidience.l—He would en. wade, an'd the Noble Lord was bound to furnish them ' order, as to what he had said respecting Par-' bat he sat e d f rom an h on est judgment, and having : ile ents avour to discharge his duty as a Representative of with v information. i liamentary Reform ; and he repeated that the men- I done so, he must console himself with the conscious . ; his Constitu as well as he could, and notwith , • Lord CASTLEREAGH considered it unworthy sure then before the House woold injure their re. mess of having done his duty, and what he thought standing the disinclinstion there seamed..to be in tne or so sa g acious a Member of Parliament to charge litigation with the people. They would lose more by . fps; the best. House to gite him a fpir hearing, he was resolved to Lis Majesty's Ministers with a breach of trust, if' persevering in that meature than by any act that bad I iveetis opinion. As an independent Member of that Mr. BROOKE spoke in so low' a tone that we i g,,, be bad to they retainers a Treaty for a few days. He thought l'ever taken place since he hail sat within thole walls. meld not ascertain whether he was for or. against the • netald is woeel be better, ns he had before observed, to its. IHe had never said, that there were persons who bad Bee . . I ruptkous as those which had been o ff ered, should Prevent him from doing what he concer n ed to be his chilli. it iii his eeneral statement than to five partial ' not voted conscientiously ; but •he maintained that ! toed BARNARD said, he thought a protecting P . .• r, duty • and if he should he obliged to retire from the • information to the House ; but as the lonourable ! this was s question between landed proprietors and l'euiseshoild be given to the grower, and he therefore ; Hes ; se', he would add ass the People of England as gentleman seemed to press the matter, lie had no dif- i the great body of the people.—[ No, no !j —Gentle. heartily concurred in the present measure. .• ! 'Waite cause of his retirement. Gentlemen had .aid .culty ie saying, that lie would present thee% eaty on !men might say no; but he was person ed he was Monday neat.. I right, without following the supporters of the : Mr. smimig (Member for the University of 'a great deal about popular clamoiir out of doors, ICambridge) said he agreed in the necessity of a re Mr. WHITBREAD 611141, that nothing could be ; measure in all their agricultural trumpery.— ~ ma -e centemptuous than the mummer in which the [Laughing.] striction in the importation of corn into th is coun try, but not with the arguments adduced in behalf of as much clamour within that House, and if it were intended thus to cry down and . distourage every Mem. Noble Lord had treated the House, especially after 1 The Petitions were then brought up, and ordered the h i ghest n! of her who thought prOper to oppose the will of the Mi. he confidence which it had reposed in him. He ,to lie on the table. .. , highest price. He adverted to the opinio n alert f or suc h i n f ormat i on as the Noble Lord pus- On the motion of the CHANCELLOR of the Mr. Malthus, who lo the course .of lest year had n i ster an d t h e ma j or i ty, t h at H ouse was soon lik e l y 1 . ‘el, and he thought it strange that nn y Member EXCHEQUER, it was resolved, that the House, doubts on the subject which had since been removed; and be was now of (minim; that 80s. would be a• to become .a mde chamber for registering the edicts of `Parliament should have occasion to call upon him, on its rising, should adjourn to Monday next. . o isideritlg the manner in which he had been treated. . venni Met.. i fair price. Mr. Torrens, en the contrary , who was ' was no question that was more universally understood 'Pe should, therefote, move an Address to the Mr. ROBINSON moved the Order of the Dar a very great authority, thought 765. would throughout all the various classes ef the community I tatting price. For his own part, he thought bea p lee re s . . l ;it was to e most common than I bi s wits obviops • Ili . * co mmon k ce Regent, praying that his Royal Highness for the third reading of the Corn Rill. uudeiltandiog. In confirmation of tbia, he men- He had voted against the Resolutions on "celd be pleased to order the Treaty to be laid be- Mr. PROTHEBOE moved t hat the Bill should be ; Lao Wt. rce- the House. read a third time on that day six months. I thateaceourtr, 'bat it • had shoe bees eionteedede t h at ' , tinned a petition which.-he had within the last ten Lord CASTLEREAGH said, he would take mea- Mr. FREMANTLE, la a abort speech , the old price of 68s. MIS safficieet. With this elm' • days - received from senora! of his own tenants who tunes for presenting the l'reaty on Monday. posed the Bill. aP " *ion he di ff ered, and would 'rather give 'the pre' rented land from him el rents which hadbein lately Mr. WItITBR EA D then desired to know, whether Mr. WI LB ERFORCE said the Hon. Gentleman • ference to 80s. against G as titan : stand out for 765. seised.; and the sole prsyer of. their petition was, seemed to think, that all the • or 72s Is these different treme prices, be thought that • they might be permitted to pay their old rents. ley, and what money had been paid before the rati - who had just sat down side . • d to tie lower whether 't • If thi s were acceded to, they would think they were danger lay ; and he would ut it to the Peti it Leon of the Treaty ? danger and mischief were on one only ; b at if , Sh e ° suffic i ently remuuerated for every improvement they Lord CASTLEREAOII. 44 I do distinctly Seib those who had argued would not be better to have a protecting price which in supp ort of the Bill were gar. ! boners, se even e orders, a could make in their 'several farms. This clearif hat no money whatever has been paid." . reef in their opinions, thy measure was absolutely h Id bread from being' very high, rather showed, that they did not- . lie Ibis measure in the Mr. WHITBREAD wits glad to hear that decla- necessary. There was a genera . i impression, that son Prevent SI:on, and was anxious fur the statement of the opening oar ports freely for the 'repo t. ton rtat of than oats which should snake it extrangaetly low, and thereby endanger the aecessary supply of the same point of, view that many Members of that House did. Be warned the /loose that it was putting i--ble Lord. Such ag ,. reeable intelligence as that foreign corn w'ould prevent agriculturists . from . sup. home grower of corn. a most powerful engine ; lot, Abe heads .of the Re. eich he had communicated could not come too prying Oar home market, and would occasion a tee.. that were Sir H. PARNELL spoke at considerable length in f orm in g , w ho would dmir from it this Ince etre. t r ue, what could be more serious, w hat more alum. ral decline and decrease of agriculture. If favour of the Bill, ss a measure necessary to protect ver tibl e conc l u si on , that a Ucumeeef Commons 'thick ing ? If it weretree, it was necessary for th e g en e ra l the farmers we bath of . ? Dig , land-anti Ireland against, the was preperly constituted , an d a fair atid.actual n• weal of the empire that die Legislature should tiding sereign gee IN , • M- ' • peasentation of Ike people, would not dare to treat proper remedies before it were to* late. Gentlemen - A MEMBER, asiltue name we could net learn, their Constituents with such -contempt. He was, said, that envy thing skoold be loft to Ltd itcoltm aid he did not. meats to ups agalvat isvortatioa ) himself an avowed Reformist, and ? u such, might l' (:. /lON