The Statesman. — London, England, 1823-03-05 00:00:00

tloy bad gone to the Admiralty ; it would be better to withdraw the motion. CANNING rota, for the purpose of enfo-cing the suggestion of the Hon. Member who had ellioken last, end after some observations and arguments which, for the reason assigned &bog', we are obliged to eswit; expressed a hope that the Hon. Gentleman would tree the first example of returning good humour by with waiting his motion; and he trusted that the intercourse would in future be carried on with that urbanity and spirit of conciliation which could alone make tt useful. Mr. MA RRYATT replied, and having vindicated the character of the Committee at Lloyd's, agreed, in token of conciliation, to withdraw the motion. A converse ion then ... 9mb piece between Mr. CRinrn, Mr. MARRTATT, and Mr. Hums, after which the motion was withdrawn. 'rho other Orders of the Day were then dispoeil of. Adjourned at Half-past Tidies this morning. MAILS. _ MIR. DM AIR. • Mill. I. ...Dublin 0 0....N011aud I 1.... Waterford.. . . . U 0... Abe** 1' 0....0 & J ersey . .. .0 0 . • • •Fillook 1 1.... Lisbon 0 0....Tha1150: : ......11 o....Gottenburg. 4 II. .. ./6 1 . 411114. • • .. • .. I PRICE OF STOCKS THIS Bank Steele' 3 per Ct. Red per Meats In 4 it 114 per Ct. Fai 4 per Cents New Peer. FFili per Ct. 1787.. Law Ann Lop. 3 per Ct.... Irish 3 per Cents Vitt • inan. WEDNESDAY EVENING, MARCH 5, 1823. PARLIAMENTARY COMMENTARY. There was nothing in the Lords last night; but in the Coamons there Were several things of great importance; nothing, however, which will not come under oar view *gain, except the motion of Mr. Hume relative to Irish Church Property. We cannot, however, help mention ing that Sir Thos. Lethbridge said that to-day he should present a petition relative to the Jesuits ix Ireland. — This petition is, we suspect, from Sir Harcourt Lees, who is the great champion of the Orange-men.—He it from whom it will, it is a matter of great interest; and will tend to make a great stir. As to Irish tithes, Mr. liume moved the following resolutions: 1. " Resolved, That the property of the Chureh of Ireland at present In possession of the Bishops, the Deans and Chap ters of Irelantt, is public property ; under the controul, and at the dimposal.of the legislature, for the support of religion, and for such otherpurposes as Parliament In its wisdom may eeern beneficial to the community; due attention being paid to the rights of every person now enjoying any part of that , property. 9. " Tbat it is expedient to inquire whether the present Church establishment of Ireland be not more than commensu rate to , the services to be performed, both as regards the nueslikr of persons employed, and the incomes they receive, ap4ifflo, whether a reduction of the same should not take rica,with due regard to all existing interests. That the peace and best interests of Ireland would be promoted ,y a comriutation of all tithes on such principles as should be considered just sad equitable towards the pre sent possessors, whether lay or clerical. 6. " That a Select Committee be appoints t to consider in wuat manner the objects stated in these Resolutions can best b- carried into effect." These wens supported by Me. flame; a speech of great length, and containing a great mass of volnable information. Such a speech cannot be report el, and we trust that this Speech will ind its way into a pamphlet. The motion for going into a Committee was, negatived by a majority of 167 against 62. A great deal of violence was shown by the opponents of Mr. l Herne. But very little indeed did they discover in the way of orpiment. However, here is the subject fairly b?.fOre the country. The qnestion was one between the pro prietors in possession or in reversion of Church property. throughout the whole kingdom; between these on On e side, and the rest of the natim on the other side. There was, in fact, so argument erred against Mr. Hume, who was most vi..le dly assaulm I ; but who repelled the assault in a vary able mmoer.lle great opponent of Mr. Hume will ha found to he, as te..this question, the rooted prejudices of the people of England ; and care enough was not I taken during the debate to steer clear of this rock. Mr. Grattan said that Ireland had become, in Get, " eatircly a catholic coustry." If we were to argue the question as a relirious one, we should say how useless it is to maintain a Protestant Church establishment at such an immence expence, while it causes the protestaets to de crease, and the catholic to increase in number. Bat whoever makes the question a religions question ; who, ever demands a taking away of any part of the Church property in Ireland on account of the iajustice which the prrsent system dues to the catholic., will surely be defeated. "No popery" would defeat a man a thousand times more eloquent than any man that we have ever yet known. Mr. Canning appears to have said nothing during this debate ; but Mr. Peel did; and spoke in a very bold tone. Nothing can be more true or more rea sonable than the resolutions proposed by Mr. Hume; bat it is nevertheless true, that the acting upon those resolutions nould ntitke Ireland a catholic coantry in political power as well as in religion. We, for our part, wish that that were done; but we know well that it will rot b: done until some very great change take place; and, certainly, never until there be a reform in the • House of Commons. Mr. Hume would produce catholic emancipation. His is the plan for emanci pating catholics; and until that plan be adopted, it is use less to talk of any other. We cannot conclude, however, without observing that neither this plan nor any other pion can relieve the nation and enable it to cope with its enemies, unless there be a large reduction of the inter est of the debt ; and as Mr. Hume does not, and will not, as he says. give his consent to the taking of one single shilling from that interest, we must confess that he is nndoing with one hand all the good that he attempts to do with the other. We want a part of the church pro perty applied to the liquidation of the debt; we want the crown-lands to be sold, and to be applied,to the same pur pose. We want sacrifices to be made by Civil List and by all departments, to prevent injustice and ruin to any one class of the community ; bet, we repeat that if the Jews and Jbbers bs to give up nothing, it is a matter of indifference to es whether any thing be taken from any body else. In short, if we continue to pay the ftdl interest of this debt in gold, we are quite satisfied 'ME STATESMAN that th'• Jews and JobFere will swallow up every spe des of property belonging to the other classes; and that, therefore, in that case, it is perfectly in vain to endeavour to draw resources from the church or from any other department, in order to give the nation relief. —At present, we are ballancing between going to war and remaining at peace; that is to say, between paper. mousy and gold. Till this question he settled; 'till this question be fully decided upon, ill other questiuns are of very little interest.. if we go to war all will be changed in the twinkling of an eye; if we remain at peace, there must be an equitable adjerstmeet of contrails, or a com plete, a radical transfer of property froth the.present pos sessors and their heirs. dists are a formidable body in this respect; and to a man they are against the Catholics; and for this rea• son ; that the methodist parsons are very well satisfied that catholic priests would Won root them oat. Give these latter fair play ; that is to say, let there be no law about the matter ; and they will have nineteen twentieths of the women with them in a short time ; and then they have all the children. After this they need care very lit tle about the men. Now, all this is very well known to the possessors and the reversionists of one very lugs mass of the property of the kingdom. It is not, therefore, • lineation of reit gion, but a question of property—and, 41ess we are prepared for the putting down of the ,diturch Establishment, we say as we have always said, it is worse than farcical to talk about Catholic Emend pation.—lt is, however, high time that this question were settled, one way or the other ; and, indeed, settled it must be, in the course of a very few years. Nothing, in the mean time, cen be so impolitic as to keep the mat ter in everlasting agitation, without coming to any set tlement at all. STOCK EXCHANGE, TWF17172 o'CLoex.—T-lp to the above hour we have no Expresses in from Paris, which, no 4ouht, is owing to the boisterous weather. In the mean time idle reports are circulated, that hostilities are to commence against Spain on the 26th of this month, and the Duke d'Angouleme is to leave. Paris for the Army the beginning of next week. It is further report ed that the French Funds were on Monday 79—Consols opened this morning at 731, and went down to 7311, at which price they are at present, with little business doing—all waiting with great anxiety for the Expresses from the French Capital. . . . FOIRIGN FUNDS.—Little business is doieg in the above market on account of the absence of intelligence from Paris. Spanish Bonds opened at 30111. Chili..6B—New Spanish, 301-01 d, 38 to 39—New Prussian. 766—01 d, ditto. 79—Russia, 736—Danish. 78—Neapoli• tan. 67— Colombian, 47j—Spanish Scrip, 313. Omit o'cLocc—No express of Monday has arrived as yet from Paris. Consols have got up a little ; they are 73/. By the Lisbon snail this morning, a report on 'Change that the Portuguese are going to declare War against France ;—but this report cannot be much cre dited, as it is supposed they would not do it without the consent of England. Lisbon papers have arrived this morning to the 21st ult., by which we hare received an account of the pro ceedings of the Portuguese Cortes in !heir sitting of the 14th on the motion of 31. Moura, which had been re ferred to a Committee. The Committee proposed, in consequence, the following decree:— " The Cortes, 13‘c. considering that it is absolutely ne• cessary to maintnin the national independence, and resist every attempt of foreign invasion, on account of the al tera:tons and changes which the nation, by its represen tatives, has legally made in our political system, decrees as follows: " 1. Every invasion of the Peninsula, made for the pur pose of destroying or modifying the political institutions adopted by S;•ain, shall be considered as a direct agues ti on of Portugil. The n hole force shall be immediately aisembled and posted in the positions proper to resist such aggression. 2. The recruiting shall be carried on with the utmost diligence, to raise the army oftbe first line to 60,00 0 men at lola, Of all arms. *, 3. The corps of militia shall be raised to their full. compliment, and the Government shall organise them in a manner suitable to the service which they are to perform. " 4. A National Guard shall be-formed in Lisbon and Oporto. 5. Those soldiers who have received their discharge, shall be incited to serve dutaig the war, and a bounty shell be offor,d them." (The following articles relate to various imposts pro. posed by the Committee.) fhe project was decle:ed urgent by above tu o-thirds of the Deputies, read a second time and admitted to dis cussion. In the sitting of the 19tb,the debate commenced on the preamble and first article of the report, and after seve ral members hid spoken, the debate was adjlarr Th- expedition to B all is, consisting of abost 2000 men, sailed on the 15th of Febru try. The following statement is given in lest night's Courier, of the contents of the despatches and letters which has e lately arrived from Madrid. " It appears from these,that the accounts from Madrid, in the French Papers, have b.en exaggerated. it is true that the removal of the KING from Madrid was pressed by his Nlinistere; but his MA. JESTY refused to quit the capital, and the Ministers, to con sequence, resigned. A considerable ferment then took place; and the Cortes and the Palace were assailed by the populace with violent and treasonable outcries. The King became alarmed, and refused to receive the resignation of the Ministers, entreating them at all events to keep their portefeuilles for the present until he could form a Govern ment. To this they assented, and it is supposed the Kiog will accede to their recommendation, to leave Madrid and keep them. Such, we believe, to be a correct outline of the accounts that arrived yesterday. Lord Fitzroy Somerset end Lord Levison Gower were expected to quit Madrid on their return to this country on the 24th ult." The names of five defaulters, were yesterday morning posted in the Sock Exchange. Of these unfortunates, three have made compositions, but refine to show their books. Government it is said have received advice from India, that the Marquess of Hastin4s has actually embarked, and is now on his voyage to Lecland. IRISH Resioxartosn.—An abundance of resignations are spoken of—Col. Barry, (a Lord of the Treasury), has caused it to be signified, that he was not " turned oat," bet that he resigned, Sir Oen. FLU, Col. Blacker, end others, are mentioned also as likely to follow the ex ample of the worthy Colonel.—(Dublin Morning Post of Monday) The high wind of yesterday limning blew over a 'number of light covered carts, on Lpping Forest, on their way to Leadenhall Market. We hive. nut, however, beard of any accident happening to the driven, except in the case of one man, who received a severe contusion an his head. The Nursery grounds in the vicinity of Lon don have sustained much &mitre from the great number of young trees in the plantations upon their premises, being torn up by the roots. The statement in the Hvpshire Telegraph that his -Msjesty's Packet service will be carried on in ten-Putt brigs, af er the Ist of April next, is believed by the West IBriton to be incorrect. it is supposed to be the int-n• tion of Ministers to continue the present Packets, under the direction of the Admiralty, until their rtspecive terms of service expires, when they are to be replaced by gun-brigs or sloops of war, which will convey the mails only; consequently, paeseneers must find another mode of conveyance. The difficulties which are involved in this plan are, by many, conceived to be insurmount able. Mr. Trower, King's Counselovas sworn in a Master of Chancery yesterday motning before the Lord Chance for at Lincoln's tan, vice Mr. Jekyll, resigned. SHIPPING INI-ELLIUENCE, ORAL. MARCH 4.—Arrived this morning and remain, the Harrington, Cooney, from Bermuda, and several more, par ticulars unknown ; it came on to blow hard the great part of that if ght, and has continued the whole of ; tie A. - pan, Horn, from Bombay, and the rest of the homewvrd bound, and the whole of the outward bound, app.iar to riiie all well. Came down from the river last night. the Bien helm, Smith, for Grenada ; Hercules, Wilson, for Jamaica; a brig and a ship arrived this morning from the but it blowing it so hard off the land they could not get i: to the Downs, and have brought up clove to the river pert of the Goodwin Sands ; two Deal boats are got off to their as:ki• ante, and most probably they will bring them into the Downs as soon as it moderatev.—Wind W.N.W. PORTSMOUTH, MARCH 4.—lt has blown a tremendoi3 gale of wind the whole of this day, during the night of which most of the ships drove. The Norwegian ship Tura:, shiold, Trepts, parted from two anchors and cables, and came into harbour ;"the Portsmouth, Cattey, parted bow ohe anchor, slipt from another, and in making for the harbour, missed stays, and went on shore on South Sea Beach, where she remains full of water. It is reported that the Ameri •au ship Packet, Barker, has lost an anchor and cable.-1%.c.d W.N.W. PLYMOUTH, MARCH S.—Arrived the Vittoria, Tat., :ram London for Trinidad • Volunteer, Hudson, from Pete' g; and Susannah, from flondou.—V Ind W. FALMOUTH, MARCH 3.—Arrived the Friends, Peer. from London for Jamaica; Usk, Power , Do. for Herbs:- does ; Arnos, Robertson, for Genoa. Sailed the Fretten brig Ilercules, Johnson, for Havre. Arrived the bt::utaer Packet from Lisbon.—Wind W. The Headley, Rowntred, o: end from Stmdertand, was lost on Corton Send on Monday night. Crew saved The Union, Spicie, of Southwold, was ran down in ya month Roads ou Monday night. Crew saved. The Ottoman, of Dantzic, hound to France, has beta c 3 - ri ed into South Uist, with 12 feet water in her a:1,1 run on shore to land her cargo. AFFAIR oe Hostoca.—The following is a brief a r. caount of an affair of honour which it stated to have taken place between two distinguished foreigners. About two years ago, the Neapolitan. G,•neral Car moss announced his determi cation, on some personal as w. a as political account, of calling out Lieut.-liener Wi.i.arta Pepe. late commander of the Neapolitan forces, Very shortly after the arrival in London of General Pepe, about five or six weeks aeo, it would appear, he receive a letter from General Carascosa, which concluded a challenge. The clialenge was accep'ed, and on the 20th of February the Generals met. Count Santa lt , sa, ex• Minister of War of Piedmont, attended General Pep;, and M. Brunet, a French gentleman, Gen. Cares( os I. 1' e weapon+ were swords, and the combatants engaged ; hit aDthe second pass, Gen. Pepe's sword snapped a tort D.:kr the guard, 'n which the seconds interfered, and the cum bat, as is usual in such cases, was def •rred. A second meting took place on Friday last, a few miles 1:.0 London, not far from Kew-lacidge. On engaging, Carascosa attacked with great impetuosity; but after several passes on both sides, General Pepe seizing his ad• y's sword with his left band, disarmed his,, ; and p'acing the point of his swortl at his breast, had his life in his power. Here the affair would hare terminated, but General Carascosa, on recovering his sword, re newed the combat, which was warmly maintained, until he was finally disabled, by a thrnst from General Pep: on the right shoulder. General Pepe, seeing his ad.- emery incapable of further defence, declined availing himself of his advantage ; and thus the duel term - nated. _ _ _ _ _ COCRT or Sesetow. —The Lord President, at the eon. elusion of the pleadings on Tuesday week, in the case Mande v. Manic, stated, that the Court would hold the editors of those newspapers liable who publishil eases while they were in independence, as such publication might influence the minds of ss itnesses. His Lordship said, that a very erroneous report of a marriage case lately before the Court had been published, which was remitted to the Commissaries for farther proof. PATENT RIGHT.—In the Coen of Common Pleas yes tnday, at Gail than, was decided and issued directed uy the Lord Chancellor, which had occupied the Coln tao days, to try the validity of a patent, which the plaintiffs. Hill and Co. manufacturers at Bromley, in Kent, had oh tained for the marufacenre of sulphuric acid. The me - t, d by which sulphuric acid had ritually been obtai ne t , vas by the rombnstion of mixed qusnri tics of sulphur aira rArre- By the new process which the plaintiffs bad discovered, eleacid was derived from the pyrites alone. Mr. Brande. Mr. Children, M. Taylor, and several other seienific per; one, deposed, that the process of manufectou ingsul. phuric acids from pyrites, without the aid of nitre or sulphur, was a novel discovery, and one a hieh fres lii,thly viluable; and they also deposed, that the specific:A on of the patent was clear and intelligible. Mr. Sergeant PELL, for the defea.'ants, Mess... Thompson and Co. operative thymests as birerpcoli .. called Mesera. Hoare, Got line, Coxwell,. Gill, alat Cooper, all practical chymists, who dezlared that the process of manufacturing sulphuric acid from pyrites alone, was cot a recent discovery ; that it was described in a book, mitten by Dr. French in 1664 ; that it cull not be made profitable in a comet-mild point of view, and that, consiquently, it was useless; and finally, that the ,perificat'ea of the patent was unintelligible. Mr. SOLICITOR GENERAL replied, and The CHIEF %reduce. summed up the evidence, after which the jury retired to dsliherate upon their verdict. The jury, when they cause La k, returned a verdict f•r the plaintiff. CORN EXCHANGE, MARCH s.—ln codequence of the boisterous weather there are very I w fresh supplies since Monday, and the Wheat trade remains n'arly as it .eft off on Monday. More money is asked (or barley, hoot very little is doing in that trade. In all other prein there is no alteration, stud the top price of Floor is tally established at 50s. !Pr sac'a. • DREADFUL ACCIDENT.—Monday ef 'moon about 3 o'clock, a young mass named James Goodwriebl, ^ha visa io the employ of Mr. Glalier, of Drurilalane, while driving his niasrer's cart, laden with tirub4, *bang the Camberwell-road, on his arrival opposite Addingtoc-plan, mounted the front of the cart and was thrown from his situation to the ground, when untOrtunately the Witt.rii passed over his body ; he wars picked ep by some ied t duals passing passing by. and carried, in a most dreadful condi tion, to his kid . •s in Bowyer's-lane, Camberwell, where every attention trod ine heal skill could devise, was paid to him i but after lingering in the greatest aeony mud yesterday morning, lie expired. Waat renders the acci dent mere melancholy, is that the unfortunate deceased has left behind him a wife and five small children, in the greatest distr.-3'. ' Firm—Sunday evening about six o'clock, a small back room in Duncan's Land, Bell's Wynd, Higti-sirceit, was discovered to be on tire. Every thing in the room was consumed, but effectnal assistance was procare I be fore the flames could spread to the adjoining dwelliugth Considerable damage, however, was ocra , iorei by the furniture from the upper fiats being ejected front the window.. An aged woman, while making her focal'' , was severely hurt by a trunk falling from the third floor upon her head.—(Edinburgh Star. Friday ) London : Edited, Printed, and Published, at the Oleo of 6, The STATZSMAX" No. 297, Strand, by R. WARDELL, to all ommomokidons, Orden, As. as roymostoWle intaddreasedi ES•iEN COUNTY MEETING. It is notified that there is to be a meeting in the county of Essex on the subject of agriculttrrallistress. The requisition is said to state that they wish to abstain from all political controversy, and to promote a cordial union of the landed interest. This Meeting will, doubt. less, petition for an equitable adjustment . of contracts. Perhaps it may wish to effect this adjUstment by the is suing of small coin or debased paper-money. Ourat commendation to it would be to petition for the adjiia. meat ; and to leave the mode to the Parliament. It is im poesible that something should not be. done, - .1 n Hamp shire there were three petitions; one praying fia an eisholie adjustment, without pointing out the mode; anothempraying for an egnitable arrangement, without paging rot the mode, bat protesting against small coin or debased paper-money ; a third, praying for a silver standard, which the prime minister calls a partial bankruptcy, and :n addition to that ; for making the fundholders pay the poor-rates, or, in other words, to deduct the amount of the poor - rates from their dividends. The first of them : was pro posed by Mr. Cobbett, and had a lair put of the • Meeting for it; the second was propos4by Mr. Marsh, and was carried, there being certainly more than half the Meeting for it; the thirdma.proposed by Mr. Flem ing, one of the Members for the County, and for this pe tition there was not a single hand held up !—The county of Essex may judge from this; and as it wants an union of the landed interest, it must at once see that the way to have that union is to pray for the adjustment, and to leave the mode not specified. That it will pray for an adjustment, in some weeds or other, we are certain: and we beg leave to suggest to it, that the wise nay will be not to let those words cause a distmidn of the landed in terest. The land and labour, if united, are too strong for the Jews and Jobbers, strong as they are ; but if dis united, mighty as the land and labour are, the all-de. vouring monster will bare them down his thi,oat. ORANGE-MEN. We have just been reading an Irish paper called the Antidote. From this paper, as well as from other Irish publications; and, indeed, from all we hearfrom Ireland, it srems impossible to restore any thing like tranquillity to that country without a change of the Lord Lieutenant. We do not blame his Lordship, and never have. His in- tentions appear to us to be very good ; but, he does not appear to have perceived the trite nature of the thing that he had to deal with. Wild, Sjr Elkgcourt Lees appears to bt, and pushing as he appears, things to the other extreme, of the two, his policy is, certainty, the most likely to restore something like peace to Ireland. It is not a question of conciliation or non-conciliation : it is not a question of the more or the less. The plain question is, shall the governing powers remain in I the hands of the Protestants, or shall they be trans ferred to the Catholics ? This is the real question. This both Catholics and Protestants know very well; and, therefore, all attempts to reconcile them by giving a little to the Catholics ; by showing them acme degree of fa vour; to introduce them into powt‘r by degree', can only tend to irritate and inflame. These endeavours hare produced the present slate of things. The Lord Lien. tenant, by endearoirs to conciliate, has actually thrown the country into such a +tate that it is impssibte for some terrible crisis not to arise out of i - , unless a change speedily tak• place.—We have not heard any tbiog at all about the intentions of the Ministers in this respect ; but, our opinion is, that if they persevere much longer in upholding their colleague in Ireland, the Mieilotry itself will be broken srp.—We have aesn several Ministers take their stand against NO POPERY. "No popery" has always triumphed, and it always will triomph l until, at least, the Protestant Church Establishment be put an end to. Let any man look at the im• mense mass of property; not lees than a good fourth part of the whole of the real property of the kingdom. Let any man look at this mass of property, and consider that it must all he shaken, to say the very least of it, by putting an end to protestant predominance in Ireland.—Let any man 'oak at this, and then let him bAieve if he can, that the parties who either possess or have the reversion of this property, will ever listen for a moment to any measure that shall shake that predomi nance. The Orangemen have, therefore, fur allies, those who are interested in this great mass of propere, and then they have, besides, all the unconquerable prejudices of ninety•ninr hundredths of the p •ople of England. That part of the people; even that part of them who never read a newspaper, and never see a newspaper, get at information upon this subject, and are all alive to it. In the year 1507, when Perceval set up the cry of "No Popery," a man that kept a little shop upon the skirts of a common near Botley, had a woman come to his stop for :oat° little thing, and she fell eagerly to talking about the popery." The blessed the good old King, and hoped lion would preserve his life, for that it was owing to him that we hail now been saved from having our throats cnt and from been burnt alive by the "popishes." The man that kept the shop was a roman catholic ; but that his neighbours did not know.—The feelosophers will tell us that this woman was a poor weak creature. She was just the contrary; Isuethat is no matter; she spoke the sentiment of every protestant in that stage of ; without any noise; by quiet Acts of Parliament, the government might remove all the law. that the Catholics want removed. But, those who are interested in preventing the removal of those laws, will not suffer it to be doop quietly; they will set op the cry of " no popery," and, if they do, they will sorely beat their adversaries . —Tbo Melia FIS DAY AT ON 11 O'CLOCK. ! India Stock ~.' . Ditto Bonds ..1 South Sea Ste.* South Sea Old Ans. ...... . . Ex.8111.9d. ( 10s Is spa 10001. --5001. 10e Ils spat. Small ..102 1111 pat %tor feet. 74 7341 • cy'rickets ....Mi. 19s. oistan. 1 , ) ', -_ • alum f pri WI an thi