The Statesman. — London, England, 1823-03-06 00:00:00

any country in which freedom exists, to banish all party' spirit, to pot down all associations of men for political objects. Before we declare we will put down an associ a ion; we mum thi hit of the consequences of success: And in thilmaseshooll we not vi olate general p ri nci ples, the pre servation of which is nermssry to the existence of society? It was not possible, nor to he wished, for the Govern ment of a free country to interfere on all occasions with hodiis, indeed, nnder its orders—under its controul ; sorb' es yeomanry aad others, the Government could and 'lid interfere, to prevent any display of strongparty feel int.' Thome% he could never forget the services former ly rimierid by these Orangemen, not against Roman Carhelics, but aer.inst the progress of French principles when they rallied round the standard of British connec 'i,til yet he was sot disposed to countenance proceed of which he sincerely disapproved, nor to deny that affiliated tincieties i and associations bound by secr e t oaths werelo Le regarded as objeits of suspicion. The time had been, when the proceedings of such associations, al ways excepting the secret oaths, had been nseful ; but he %mimeo* diaposed to go much further than any existing law in discountenancing them. If he were an Irish gen tleman, resisting in Ireland, he should feel it his duty t) endeavour, by mild remonstrance, to induoi the local authorities to desist from. proceedings which were calm dated to excite irritation. lie would call upon them to do en from more generons motives thaw tlsout of policy.— Tuaigh these prom:esions and commemorations could not be suppressed by law, he would advise them to suppress them, rather then sound and irritate the feelings of a large class of their countrymen. On the other hand he would advise the Roman Catholics not to be extreme in marking shat might be done amiss, nor too prone to construe every act of political exultation, into an insult directed against themselves. The Right Hon. Gentleman who spoke last (Mr. Fitzgerald) had stated, that his hon. sndlearned friend would be ready to withdraw his moo tioo, provided a pledge were given by the Government that a measure would be introduced for the assimilation of the English and Irish law. In the month of Nov. last, after the minis in Dublin, the Lord Lieutenant had recommended the assimilation of the Irish and English 1 um with a view to the suppression of Secret Associatmons. It was quite impossible then to accept the withdrawing of the hon. and yarned gentleman's mmion on these terms, since an eh-ration of the law had been already monim-niled by the head of the Executive Govern ment in Ireland. After arguing tbus in various points of view, tbr Right lion, Secretary paid under such circum stances, if the Honourable and Learned Member should not consent to wilidraw his motion, he trussed the house would concur with him in giving it a di•ect negative. There was one observadon which it might not be uniin• prtant to make with regard to bis (Mr. Peers) peewits' canduct and poicy, when he was a Member of the Irish Government. lie begged to state most explicitly, that he had entirely concurred in, and approved of, the rues sure for preventing the dressing of the Statute of King William on the 4th of Novembtr. With this declaration be should close the observations which be had to offer to Etc house ; and he once more called upon the house to give a negative tc the motion, if the honourable and learned gentleman should not consent to withdraw it. Mr. GRATTAN spoke shortly in favour of the memo. Mr. CANNING said he could assure the house that no Government could be more inclined to administer the - effaivsof Ireland with an equal hand, or more united in the determination to support that Government in Ireland, u nder :whose inflnence the principle had been already ad vanced. His right honourable friend (Mr. Peel) had said that the honourable mover could not receive any essolpearation for the withdrawing of his motion, as the measure to which it referred was actually determined on 1 the Government htfore the animosities so much to be lamented bad made their appearance. He thought that even row the house, might see symptoms of their abate inesit ; be hoped that this night's discussion would Neill tate their final extinction. But thougn he email not offer the honourable mover the coinpens tion alluded to by his Right Honourable Friend, Gyre was another com pensatMo of no small importance which lie thought he -might venture to promise him. There was a 'Mice on the Journals re pectiug Papers that reterred to a military ontrage of the 6•li November. If the honourable and learned gestleumn would consent to withdraw his mo tion, be trusted that it would not be considered too much to ask of another Honourable Gentleman to re turn the saute compliment by withdrawing his motion also [a laugh]. Thus, instead of a night of conflict as was expected, they would conclude a utght of concilia ti man i harmony. Mr. ABERCROMBY, in reply. observed, that if the Right Honourable Gentleman expected such a discussion as he had described. It was in the power of Ministers to have prevented it, by communicating whs. they had now stated :.eforc the Mscussion 'same on. Every object that he had in view wrieM be eifeetuelly attained by the course which Do seenment had stated their intention of adopting. Ile felt biassed' Justified• however, to making the motion under the circumstances, and especially es he was persuaded that the discesslon would afford greet satisfaction to a numerous part of the population of Ireland. hie trusted, that after the explanation which had been given, the house would n it object to his withdrawing of his motion, as it would be inconsistent to meet it with a negative, after what had passed on the subject. Mr. CANNING explained. The um ion oats then withdrawn, after which the other orders of the day mere disposed of, and the house adjourned at half past 11. PRICE OF STOOLS THI Rank Stock tf per Ct.rsod.. Spit Ct. Cons 731 s t , per Ct. Wit 4 per Cents ........ ...• • • • New Fours .......... 6 per Ct. 17117... IS DAY AT ONE O'CLOCK. India Stock . Ditto Bonds • .5... s 245. pm South Sea Stock South Sea Old Ann. Ex.Bill.2d. 103 1 is s pm. 1000/. ---500/. 10s 1 Is spo. ..105 12s pm Con. for 4cet..... / • • .. 73/11 Lottery Tickets . • 221. 195. !Aug Ann..... lop. 3 per eit • •• • • • • • per Cents • Xtt F , *tatefintan. THUR.SDAY EVENINC, MARCH 6, 1823. PARLIAMENTARY COMMENTARY. he rue LORDS there were some matters of form, much too formal for us to bestow any time upon. Jra Tat COMMONS.—We have observed brfore that the botincsa of Parliament has not yet begun. In the ut , an time the Jesuits and the Orange-men occupy a goad deal of the attention of the house. Sir Thomas I s ethbridge prevented last night a petition from a Mr. Porker, one of the adventurers to the Cape of Good Hope, who ascribed his failure and misfortunes in the enterprise to a Jesuit Lieuten'ant-Colonel, who was the Celonian Secretary, and who was defended by Mr. Wil utetr r. Parker, in his petition, sated the existencc of Jesuit establishments in Ireland, and traced them from Stoney-hurst in Lancashire. The debate upon this sub ject was very warm. The Jesuits got rather roughly handled; bat they hada good many friends who did not mesple to praise them rather than apologize for them.— This' , however, appears to have been nothing more than a mete skirmish preliminary to the great battle which 31 probably;to be foughtbrand-bye between the Orange ass sad the Catholics, in which the Orangemen will THE STAtESMAN certainly come off victorious. Upon the - heels of this petition followed a Motion of Mr, Asencnostrer, for an Address to the King, to assure him that the House would be ready to co-operate Ishii him in any measore that he might take for restoring . tranquillity. The mo tion included expressions pointing at the Orange So cieties. So that, upon the whole, it was a motion of censure upon•the Orange Societies. We have rsore than once•descrihed the character and object of these so cieties. They are, in fact, combinations of men (generally men of power or influeirse) for the purpose of keeping down the Catholics, and of counterartiog the endeavours of all those who uish to favour them. Why this motion should have been made at this time is, perhaps, not very clear. In giving notice of it, and upon bring rerpiested to delay it until the arrival of the Irish wombers, Mr. Aber cromby observed that it was not only Irish interests, but English interests also that the question involved ; and we take the liberty to suspect, that Scotch interests were oat wholy out of consideration. —The Ministers are well known not to be perfectly unanimous upon the subject which has arisen out of the bottle adventure at the Dub lin play-house. A motion titre this might be expected to draw forth something that would make that want of unanimity more generally visible, and that might add to the obstacles in the way of producing the unanimity it self. Mr. Brougham and another or two of the gentle men opposite seem to have made certain " rapproche " menu:" and it is natural enough for others to be im patient at not basing been, probably, invited to partici pate in the contingent advantages of certain rapproche ment:. When one cannot enter any place which is dif ficult of entrance, one is apt to try to make little breaches in that which keeps one out.—The Ministers seem to have been, upon this occasion, very much upon their guard against such breaches, the danger of which the speech of .Ir. Goulboarn convieces us that they saw. He defended the Orange-men g e nerally, but did not ap prove of some part of their proceedings ; that is to say, the administering of oaths, and some things of that sort; and be observed that it was the invention of the Govern ment to introduce something in the way of law to put a atop to this offensive pert of their proceedings.—Mr. Dawson concurred in the intention of the Government intimated by Mr. Goulburn as to the exceptions to be taken to the niture of their Societies, but defended the character and conduct of the Orange-men . generally. He went into a long hlstory- of their origin and a detail of the services they had rendered ; that it was these so cieties which bad put down the rebellion, and which bad at the time of their origin, been of the greatest utility ; that they were loyal associations, opposed to disloyal associations; that they maintained the Protest ant ascendancy, that they were, iu fact, as opposed to the other associations of various denominations and va rious profsaions, but the object of all, which was the overthrow of the 0 ivernmset, so general amongst the Protestants as far Protestant mid Orangc-men to be con vertible terms. What we can understand, therefore, from this gentleman, is not th et be is prepared to go any very great lengths; to premed to any very harsh measure: against the Orange-men, though their oaths and some other minor proceedings be somewhat illegal. Mr. Dawson was answered by Morrice Fitzgerald, who denied that Orange-men and protestant were convertible terms. This he did with conside - able warmth, and went on to say that the principal services p.rformed by the Orange-men were, not against the Catholics, but in con cert with the Catholics against the United Irishmen, not one of which United Irishmen ever was a Catholic. Mr. Peel followed Mr. Fitzgerald; and Mr. Canning came after Mr. Peel. From these two speeches, we really gather nothing batthis very interesting inference; name ly, that the Cabinet have come to a compromise; and that, difficult es the thing seemed, they appear likely to remain unbr ,Icen ; to the no small disappointment, we are certain, of the worthy gentle men opposite, whose public spirit made them burn to share in the toils of carrying on the nation's affairs.— Mr. Abercromby's motion was finally withdrawn. • MISREPRESENTAT I ON. Our friend the Chronicle misrepresents what we said yesterday or the day before relative to the influence of Catholic Priests with regard to the ladies.—He says that we speak of the incapability of the " women to re sist the seductions of the Catholic Priests." From this our friend means doubtless to infer, or rather cause it to be inferred by others, that we represen'ed the influ ence of the Catholic Priest to arise from the lewd attach ment that women had towards them ; whereas, the arti cle will clearly show that we alluded to their religious influence. We retain our (Onion as to that matter. — When the Chronicle was referring to America, and quo ting BRUITED, the Chronicle tn;ght have obsrrved, that in MAMMAS D that is to say, throughout the whole state, the Catholics have greatly increased for teeny years psrt. The Chronicle says that the Pa,:ists increase in the great cities of America from great imports ion.-- Importa.ion will•not account for there being five times as many Catholic chapels in America as there were thirty years ago. Paris papers to the 4th inst. have arrived, which con• ' tain little else than discussions on the proposition• for ex pelling M. Manuel from the Chamber of Deputies. A private letter, dated Monday evening, which has also been tecetved from that c ,pital, gives a brief account of the proceedings on Monday, both within the Hall of the Chamber and without. After some preliminary alterea tion about the form of proceeding,it was determined that the Report of the Commission should be consi dered. M. de St. Aulaire opposed the proposi tions of exclusion as destructive of the rights of the Chamber. M..Royard Collard likewise spoke against it; and after speeches from M.llyde de Neuville, Genera! Sebastiani, and others, for and against the proposal of the Commission, M. Hyde de Neuville proposed an ex clusion for the Session. This met the views of the more violent Ultras, who thought they had goner too far, and was adopted by the Chamber. M. Manuel was n.:t present ; bat great violence was manifested during the Sitting; which did not terminate till a late hour. Had the accused member been present, it wa. rumoured on Sunday that a great body of young men intended to have collected to accompany him home; but their intention having transpired, the members of the left side interfered to prevent that assemblage, while the Minister at War was doubling the guards about the Chamber, and the other public places. On Monday afternoon, bowever, a great number of people of respect able aprearance crowded the vicinity, but there was no disposition to riot, though shouts of Vice Manuel! Fee la Charts! Vice la biberie, &c. were raised. The Constitutionnel states that some :100 young pro. ple at Lyons attempted a second masquerade against the war. They dressed themselves as English sailors, with fishing rods, and were proceeding to the Saone to fish for commerce, when they were restrained by the public authority. They applied the money to be spent in the mummery to the relief of the poor.—The same pai cr mentions a report from their correspondent at Havre, that the Minister of Marine notified in private confidence to the principal ship owner., to take every precaution for their vessels at sea, and dirk: item to make fur Brest. It adds, that the seosatices caused by this announcement had been increased by the purchases that had been made, or. account of England, of all the pitch in the port. FRINCH Fumes, MARCH 3.—Five per Cents. opened at SOL 30e.; rose to 801. 70c.; and closed at SOf. 55c. —Neapolitan Stock, 661. Exchange on London, one month, 25f. 60c.; three months, 25f. 40c. At a late hour this forenoon we received the snbse trent article from our city correspondent : " following important information was, we learn, received this morning from Paris : " On Monday the House of Deputies came to a reso'u tion to expel Manuel during the Session, but on Tuesday when the House met again, Manuel repaired' to the House, and took his seat (on the right aide of the House), and great tumult ensued at his presence, as a ell ason the outside.which was - surrounded by a grettcrowd. The National Guards were called in to turn Manuel out, but refused complying and laid down their arms ; upon which the troops of the line were ordered to execute the the Deputies orders, and with a great deal of difficulty they succeeded in causing Manuel to retire from the Clamber. The whole of the left side of the House rose, and entered a Pro•est against the tyrannicsl conduct of the right, and all of them left the House." Frankfurt papers, which came to hand this morning. state that by letters dated Bucharest, Ist July, it appears evident from a circular letter which Sadi Hassan Bey Ins lately sent by couriers to all the Commanders of ' Turkish fortresses on the Danube, hon• much the Porte desires the restoration of tranquillity in the Principali ties. Accounts from Trieste of the 12th mention that letters had been rem ived dated the 26th of January from Constantinople, acknouletiginc that Corinth had am rr ndered to the Greeks by capitulation. STOCK &CLINGS, RALF PAST 12 o'cLocc—Although Monday's French pipers appear warlike, from the in structions of the French Minister of Marine, our fonds have remained steady the whole of the morning. Con sols opened at 73iii, st which price they continue. Four Expresses have arrived from Paris this morning, bring ing the French Funds at 80, 50. Several reports are in I circulation this morning. One rumour is, that a great tumult took place round the Douse of the Deputies, and the guards were called out to disperse tire mob. Atwater is that the Duke of Wellington is going to Spain. We are informed that two Swiss Gentlemen have arrived in touts, who state that the Swiss Diet ate determined not to suffer any foreign troops to pass through their terri tory on their march to Spain. Very little business is doing this morning at the Stock Exchange. The stea diness of the Funds is attributed to the scarcity of mo ney Stock. Foreman F e rens.--Spanish Bands opened this morning at 30, OIL at which price they remain steady. Chili, 0 , 3 i—NewSpanish, 301 to 1-01d.38—NewPrussian, ne 77-01 d, ditto. SO—Russia, 711—Danish, 784—Neapo- Man, 6%87 Colombian, 47e—Spasish Scrip, 301. INCOME OP THE SCOTTISH CLERGY, in 1750.—As a contrast to the rich benefices of Ireland, stated on Tuesday in the House of Cunununs, the following account of the incomes of the Scottish Clergy in 1750, extracted from the printed Acta of the General As.sembly of that year, may prove amusing to our readers:— Number of beinefees, 533. Stipends under £26. Above /26. and not higher than £3O Above SO Es Above 511, 40 Ab o ve 40, 46 Above 45, 60 36 Ab o ve 60. Above 65, en Abort, 60, 86 Ab o ve 63, 70 Above 70 76 Above 7.' SO Above SO, S 5 Abo v e 85, 90 Ab ove 90, 93 t:Jove 95, 114.1 Above 100, lO5 Ab o ve 105, llO Above 110, At lln 17s. 9d. The total of these stipends is said to be .050,263 133. tvd. 10-12ths. [The above, it is presumed, is the amount of the seer ralincouns, exclusive of the yearly valued rent of the BOURBON WAR.. We have observed in former papers that our warriors on this side of the water have been.growing very cool for the last ten or fifteen days. The speeches and paragraphs; the questions and answers of Mr. Bro(fittam and Mr, Canning; the wondrous speech of. MiAluslisson at Li verpool ; the toast of Mr. Canning at Harwich ; all seem to have been blown into air by the essay on asrignats contained in the Register before the last, though aided and assisted as the speeches and paragraphs were by the thing the other week: namely, " equitable adjustment." The Morning Chronicle and the horribly stupid Old Times cry out against Sir Wm. A'Court, and call upon the Cortes, as Swift says the boys in Lisbon did upon the Jew, when they were afraid of being deprived of the diversion of an auto de IC to stand firm! But they no longer talk of equipping a fleet to help the Cones to stand firm. Stupid as they are, they perceive, that war cannot be undertaken wiihout assignats, or without equit able adjustment, one or the other. In thz mean while, i Ike French apprrtr resolved to go on. Parsonagr-houses. Gardens An I litetres. By the lama Scotland, the Minister's garden most, we !relieve, he at least hdia Scotch acre, and his L.:lobelia Scotch acres, or het u ern seven and eight uf nnglisla measurement. 'ne Glebes in general, it is understood, exceed the above mentioned extent ; and. it was calculated by competent ',crows in the year 1107, that the average value of a Scotch benetire, including the Parsonage House, Barden, and (Belie, was then a)out 1601 a•year. According to this calculation, the o ' J ule ex pen.oe of maintaining the entire Eccles:astir:al Establishment of Scotland, which. prom-hes, in an exemplary manner, the religions and' moral habits of two trillions of too's, of waich not a hundred and fifty thousan I are Srprratists from the . Established Church, did not amount to one hundred ancl lifty thousand pounds a-year ; not one teeth part of the amount of what Mr. Ilium calculated to he the annual value of the Ecclesiastical property of the Cborch of Ireland; the number of whose metuher aer °riling to the. same authority, very little exceeds one-fourth of that of the membersof the Scottish Kirk.—En.] SHIPPING INTELLIGENCIL DEAL, MARCH s.—The brig reported yesterday to bm riding near the Goodain Sand, proves to b the brothers of Greenock, 46 data from Drm••rara ; one was aupplied with an anch9r and cattle from h• nee lait night, sort brought into the Dawns this day by tail Desl looms' crews, and remains with the liontewsrd and oatward bound Yeesels as before.—All W N.W. PLYMOUTH, Monett 4.—Arrived the Ra•nbler, Pont. from London for the South Sims; Nile, BAker, from d o . for St. Domingo; and Mary Ann, Wise, from Sunder land for Odessa.—Wind, W.S.W. FALMOUTH, Manua 4..—Arrivettl the Percy from Lor don for Jamaica; Ann for ditto ; Britannia for St. Kitts; and k:liz.shetli, Jane, for Sierra Leone.—Wind, %V. N. W. •• • -•' YARMOUTH, MARCH s.—The effects of yosterday's gales, we fear, were very extensive. Above 50 vessels lost armhole and c ,bles, and some Hunt.ter keels sod small vessels have, we fear, been driven off the coast.— The Four Johns, of Hull, is on shore at Winterton, crew saved, also the John, of Londan, coal laden, crew saved. The Janet, of Dundee, drove out to sea, the crew having left her. Bow STIIIRT.—On Monday last, a well-dressed youtl., about 15 years old, cal brought ua by W. Smith. and another of the patrol, who had taken him into custody on the preceding evening on suspicion of having stolen a hat. Ile was accompanied by his father, a respectable looking elderly man, attired in a military cloak - , The statement of the officers was, that on the perste& ing evening there nan a fire in Bernick Sty e . , Soho, and a great crowd collected, among which the thieves were particularly active, and among other tricks that they resorted to, was that of knacking ofd illett's hats and running anay with them. While the officers were on duty, they saw this prieoner leave the crowd with a hat under his arm, besides that which he had on his head. Conceiving that be had stolen it, they took him into cote tody, and on his way to the watchhouse he said he was the son of a respectable in in, aid that he had been soot fur the hat by his falter. Before lie reached the watch house, he offered so give the hat to the officers if they would let him go. This streaesliened their suspicion, and they had bins locked up for the night, They had made inquiry that mornintr, and found that his story was true, and they had theretore no charge against him. The Magistrate (Mr. HALLS) expressed his regret that the lad should have been canfined a'l night ; but the father must feel that the officers bad ion* no awe than tb.dr dray. The boy most of course be discharged. The father took assay his son, and there the matter was suppos d to have- ended ; but on Tuesday evening, as. Sir HICIiaRD BIRDIE and Mr. klamo had taken 'hell seats, James Sedgwiek, Esq. Cliabinan of the Commis serners of Stamp+, entree! the offi .e, ant proci eiled to lay a complaint before the Magistrates, of the conduct of the officers, who, he iiiid, I ad exceeded the limits of their authority, and bed unjustly imprisoned the son of a roe. cable man. Sir R. Bin:ste, upon hearing the circomirenoes, de clared his opinion that the officers hail done tio more than their duty. Mr. Setigwick said they had. Th.ty ought not to bora locked up the lad when they were told , h it he was the son of a respectable in In, and ha I linen merely sent on an errand. They onght to have made iniptiry. Sir R. BIRNIE raid, that oil ;ceri were rot obliged cue believe every story that was told them by those whom they happened to take into custody. Mr. Sedgwiek said they ought to have made inquiry. It was nut to be borne, that the son of a respectable and honourable man should be shut up for a whole night, in the black hole of a watchlionse, among felons and pros titutes, at the caprice of a Colvin of police-officers. — lie was determined that the boy should have justice dune him. Sir R. BIRNIE.—Wed!, Sir, you are at liberty to take what steps yon please; bat we have nothing to do with it. If the officers have done wrong, they are amenable to the law. Yon can indict them at die sessions. Mr. Sedgwick.—lndiet them at the sessions'. And what satisfaction would that be? It is your duty : sitting lucre as a Magittrate, to ere that officers do their duty prop( rly. Sir H. BIRNII.-1 think they did their dnty proper ly. They saw this boy with a hat which they thought he had stolen, and under the circumstances, their suspi cions was well founded, and they had a right to take hint into cust idv. Mr. Sedg wick—Sir, that boy is as incapable of ;Bal ing a hat as you ar .. Sir R. Elitism (rising from his chair)—Sir, 1 know what is due to my rank and situation here,and I will not submit to be insulted by in man, whatever may he his importance in society. I care not who or what you are, and I desire you will leave the office. Officers, remove this man. Mr. Sedgwiek was about to reply, hat the officers in attendance, to obedience to the order of the Magistrate. took him gently by the arms, and rem tired him to this ouiside of the anor, and t'aere the matter terminated, MARLHOROUGH-STREET.—JOHN NEEDHAM, who is charged by Mr. Kinneer with uttering forged and ficti tiocs bills of exchange, and defrauding him of hogs quantities of goods, was yesterday brought from the house of correction toe re-t•xatnination. Mr. ALLEY appeare 1 for the prosenrion. Mr. AnoLeucs, who attended for the primer, said there were circumstances in thin ease wtiieh at preterit be could not mention, that mitla it his duty to apply for a further atijiirtimen% IMr. ALLEY said that on so seri ous a charge a s co! which involved the life of the pr.sucer, he certaiuly I should not resist the appliet - it:on. I A day was then fixed for the nest examinaion, when I both Conrad can attend. .. 3 The young man who gave his name Jolts nETNEI, 7 charged with steeling a v durable harp shout two years , 2 I ag- , , from the hone of Mrs. Debi , n. at Bright , n, in ; which he lodged, the property . of Mr. Wright, of the e Concert Iteonts, from whim it was hired, was aka s brought up for re-examination. o No prosecutor appearitig against him, the priso n r 8 was discharged. in.—ei---_ 25 106 126 84 London : Silted, Printed, end Piblisbect, at the (Auto( t"rhe STaraswAt." No. 997, Strand. by R. WARDELL, LL.B. to whom all comenun!Lstions, Orders, des. aro requested to he addressed! I vli ~'~~ I :~' V