The National Register. — London, England, 1820-09-10 00:00:00

you and Carlini dined ?—There were many Italians who came and dined and ate rice. Did you know the Indian who met you there and accompanied you frequently up anti down London, to shew you the way and explain things to you %—That's true, because he served me as a gole. Do you recollect going with Lim, the day or the day after the late King's funeral toot; place, to the west end of the town?— Where to. To the west end of the town A—lle carried me about, and brought me here and there, and said ibis place was this, and the place was that; but 1 do not know whether this place was this, and that lilac,: eeT.s that, and hew can I reincmher Did you not go somewhere with him, II care not whem, either on the day of the funeral, or the day after Lave been with hint at several places on tia; day the people went to see the King. A Peer immediately cried out, that the witness had not said that the people were going to see the King's funeral. Mr. BROUGHAM begged that such interruptions would not be made while he was eim toyed in the erooss-examination of a witness. Otte of the Judges Lad, he said, made objecumt with a loud voice to his question. It was impa.sible for him to pursue the course of cross-examination he commenced with, it' such intemptions were persisted in. Lord EXMOUTII rose, with great warmth, and moved that Counsel shuttle! withdraw. Lord EXMO writ said, that the Queen's Attorney. General had looked at hint at the time he complained of bc:ng interrupted. Ile had to assure their Lord,hips that he was not the Noble Lord who had made the objection. At tl.e same time he mast declare, taut he did not think it decent in a Conned at that Bar to stare Noble :.onis in the Lace, and insimmte titet they had done what they had not done. Ile (Lord Exmootb) was not there, upon his honour and his oath, to be lectwed by any Counsel whatever. (hear, hear I) Counsel were then called in, and continued the cross-exami nation. Now did you go with that young man to any particular place" ...I remember to have called in some stroet oil some gentleman don't know, to carry a letter. His servant told me he was not at home; for he was gone to sec the burial of the King. Was that a large hoaw ?—1 do not know whether it was large or sma" ; I went to the euur, and wits answered that he was not at home, and I went away. Did you, on any of these occasions. when accompanied by your wc, gu 71to any house where there was a aohiier s'ationad at the door ?-..-Tlatt was on the Brat day of my arrival in England, what I WI:ILI:Pi sonic letters, and I was told it was the house a the li dug. Did you go more than once to this house ?—Yes, I went backwards and fot vat 6. .1)0 you teenetehet going several times?-4 do. Did you go into the honse and Ivave your I, , pwi place at the dour?—The fins( time, 1 le It Lilo at the dom.. Do you mean to say at the other time; the laleai4 tic place went in with you?—Whether he cane in or not, I do not know. I left him at the dour, and told him to stay there. _ _ . On one of thtse °et-lE4°ns did von come out of that house with a gentleman whom yon had found there, Yes, 1 did. Who was that gentleman?—What I remember, lie was Mr. I'utstll. Did yon make a promise to Mr. Powell to go to his chambers at six o'clock that evroiug 2-1 ttiA. l):41 you not go according to'.your appointment ?—I ditlr I understood you to ray you tyrot several times to Iha: large house with your huptais de p;urt7—Y Do you renteotl•er one of these occasions taking a Mote from Mr. Possell's to* that -.home Was not this peat home Cultton House do not know. I was told that it was the house of the King. Hatt you ever any conversation with Mr. Pow Cli about your expences, in the pi ennce of your !aquas de place? ...—orritr, son mi ricordo. 1)1.1 yon ever see this letter before 1-- [Here Mr. Brio:glom showed the witness a letter.]—l do not know; I never knew how to read or w rite. Do you know a person of the name of Long?--I am not acquainted with any 81801 Willie. After your first examination in this House, have you ever seen Mr. Powell, or his clerk I—Yes. Have you F.:en them frequently I—Yes, I have seen hint, Mr. Powell; sometimes he comes to the place where we are. Mr. Brougham here WI-minced a person of the name of Joseph Jan u s Long, and the witness was asked if he knew hint?-1 le answered that lie The Lord ethinei llor said, it ;kir. Long was to he a witness, it would be improper that he should remain in the 1-I,lise. _ . . Titr. Long left the House immediately. Did you not June Mr:Lone to write to Mrs. Blackwell to the feilowine tifeet ?-1 tolii him to write hi my mune. Did you nut tell him to eatite to tile following eti . eet:-- " 1 halve safely lit :+c:tied your kiter to )tans mother, and lie 41 4 / 1 4 quite we;:, and tit siied Io 1!lf 41111.1-11.11.1411 In you kindly r-1 sai.l, i have let the letter wills your brother's wife , because I slid 1141 sec 11.111. 11111 you not desire dtr. 1...i:a to add, " I hove got a situation, and tun auhig to vietwa es, that I had get a Did you not desire him to give your Limd regai il to MrS• Non, e boat you called your broth . . r ? eh-Art r. Dad YI.II 11,41 cud 1:11:11:IS'S son your brother as a mark 111• liit'llllAlill les s I did. Di.] you riot ett.ire :Ver. Long to say further in this 11'1114—' Ater l le It you all, I timid not eat, ror drink, tor oh eh so Coil loess you v.il?—(.inch tau:thing, iu iiajtie•;..olld).—Yes, 1 fit:All tel 111711 to say, as is 1 , 1•:.. that • Ito we were together, 1 could not eat, nor 41410 S.• ...). :Yale you eel rin Paris in 1918 or ISIS?-1 never was In P• 1 is at —('llse witness gave his 141144414 1)1.16/40 the soldi'44:aff VIII 11111 111 1111114 Lir. 1•1.#1:1.1114.111 bald, lie Lad no more questions to ask the adios", hy the Attorney General. You have been osier.' re V PCIII:44 101110 1 , 4E1 110140114 Nhieh you !seethed Lame going to tr ictriu; on wheat occasion Wirt II tl.:.t C 1,11 %%Tut to Vielic a Asa eiiiirier. Ytot 1.1 01 4141•1•41 whe,i.C4 roll It f.. 1. a 1111“. 140111 Dlr. Powell to a g s . 4 1 14,4,,, %%fiat put' i;sie did 34.11 take that u , ,te ?--/Vt far as 1 tau ieculltia, it was tu 01,14111 a passi•ort. DJ you recollect into what port of the litatue you went I went first to the mit et .tour then throlgli the court, let-n suunittrd a few steps, then icing the bail, %lieu it enact raurt , 111111 1 g;iVe him Ilse note. Huai lung Mel you stay on that oceasioii?—About halt hour. lid you en any n here else for your peeispoi ?--Yes, to Au:Alton Mitir.ter. Mt you get the pi.e4eit t When 1 41.4. Vrl• toy tt 1 gut ILI! pio.seent• TIIE NATIONAL REGISTER Who ‘lid you see at the great house on that occasion ? I saw a fuutu.au, and the German who talked to We herr. You have said that you were at that home at other times. iflio did you see it these have seen a awl rather a liand3uale watt, %%Ito talked neither Freue ow Pit!jam I-tow malty ti:tie, al:of:1411er, to the best of your know letl.4e, yott call at that house %—I renictuuer calling tlarce Examined by their Lordships. \Veo kept the account of your emit nces in going to Vienea kept it Itty:ielf. How rood you keep it when yon said you could neit:ter read nor write ?—I know ugly to wide my name and hardly that. Earl Grey then ordered that part of the witness's for mer examination be read over to him, in which he stated that he could not recollect how long he had been in Mr. Hyatt's service, at Gloucester, because he had not the book with Mai on winch he marked these things. Asked what he meant by that book i'— Witness—l said, I had not the hook to mark mom. I did not say the book in which I had marked, but the book to mark upon. Does lie 111 Pall to say that lie had not the book itt which he put these down, or that he kept no book? Interpreter bolding up his hands, anti in a tone of auursial; usionishment—" God bless m!—He's quite oft'. lie says now, 1 had no book to mark upon !"—Kircat lunching.) 'fee witness Majocci was now taken front the bar, and the Counsel were ordered to withdraw. After a passe of sonic minutes The Alio quis of LA N DO MC rose.—Before Counsel were called in again, he wished to draw the attention of their Lord ships to a matter awe:kit:table importance. A letter had been mentioned in the course of an inch:eat:el discussion which took place yesterday, as having been received from Al. Marietti, the banker in Milan, stating that, in consequence of some confmuni cation made to M. Mr rieni by a Culoottl Brown, an agent there of the him;lit.li Government, he (M. Marietti) entertained ap • preiteasi.a.s that his son, a resident in thi , coantry, would be bent out of it under the Alien Act, tier las interterenee in the nli'airs of the Queen. But it was not till this morning that lie (Lord Lansdowne) had teal an opportunity of scein.r that letter itself, in coa,equence of its publication in tire New. p.tpers; and he taw enotull in that latter to make him feel it to be an impera tive duty now to call the attention of the I louse to the subject. It did then appear, front the letter of M. Alarietti, which had been and of the antlienricity of which he had no doubt, that in coostquence of sonic cummuriteution made from Colonel Brown to Al. Aiarietti, senior, apprehensions were entertained that tile younirer Alarietti would be sent out of this country under the Alien Act, in constapienca of his hiterfetence with the muse of the Queen—an into terence which, after what had conic out in ye-tertLy, his Lordship could huge nodiflieulty in saying was must proper, and in every respect within the limits of to and warrantable inquiry. If such a communication did take place, it was the duty . of his Majesty's Ministers without the lcast delay to disavow it, and to recut the agent who had thus abused the trust emir:lel to him. The Noble Marquis, on these grounds, concluded with asking the Norde Earl opposite, first, whether Colonel Ibown was an accredited aa;ent of the British Government? and, secondly, whether Ministers have taken any steps so ascertain whether Colonel Brown had made any such communication as that complained of, to M. Marietti? Lord LIVER 1 . 001. said, Colonel Brown was a qualified, accredited agent of the P.ritish Goveinment; and his Lordship, as sour as fie was told of the communication said to have been made to M. Marietti, had instantly ordered Colonel Brown to be writttm to for the fullest exp:anution on the subject. Mr. RRoUGIIIAAI said it was not his intention to cross examine any forth -r. The SOLICITOR-GENERAL then rose at half-past twelve o'clock to suet up the evidence to the Douse. The Leautned Genii:amen took a review of the whole of the evidence, and con clude(' by declaring that he thought the motifs brought forward entirely supported the Bill. LA great many Lords here expressed their dissent from this position by a most eloquent shake of their heads.l The Solicitor-General concluded about thur o'clock, and, after a short pulse, Lord LON SDA LE asked the Noble Earl (Liver pad) whether there wits any disposition on the part of those who supported the Bill to consent to the divorce clause being with. drawn. In case there should be such a disposition, Counsel might take a &atria view of the Bill. 't he Earl of LIVERPOOL observed, that the evidence was not coneititled, and it would be most irregular to discuss the triscits or the clauses of the Bill. When the time came for disr. cussitat to the Couttuittce„ the House would deal with the clauses as they might judge proper. At the same time he ;land Liver pool) had uo hesitation in saying, that as the otieet of the Bill was or promote public justice and the honour of the ootintry, not us some load insinuated, sole)) , to relieve ant Illustrious Person who ',tight be hot:rested in the result; be was ready, if there was any struirg fe-th-tg on Ore part of their Lordships and the mono) , t Cite Divoree Clause, to agree to wit:a:raw it. E. ri GHI.Y expicsael an ovilion that the Clause must stand or full with the hail. One . wits the neee :stay c. nsequence of the other. If the Qteen uses ele,,artaltal, she could nut, *insistent wide the honour anti the Crown, remain Queen Con• sort. If the litime eatertaitied the Bill without the Divorce CLose, it would be a Bill to degrade his Majesty as well as the Qttt•en. Tile Earl of 1.0 DALE explained. The Lel of 10 fNOLAiII.MOIII.: said, the observations of the Nicole Earl JAGS:We, w ere well caleulated to smooth the way for the ohjtatititis of the Ilii;irt Iteveteml It.lielt. sonic of whom were sow ed to be to-tile 10 the Divorce Chime. lle for one could it. ser consent to any alteration wheel taught have the effirct of leasing; snit that LOlll.O CIIANCELLOR then called upon the Queen's Cocoscl to state, a bether theyinesnt to bei 4 in his ease to-morrow tail 1„0 on with it, or did lie w ilt to cuter on it in part, and defer the fat titer healing to a future day. Alr. was not prepared then to state to the Hearse tic ptccise course lie should take. Ile tilt any restriction bye.:l lib:, an that respect a great hardship, end Le cairn-A:el a 111.11 S.: wot.id :11i1111• till to.nunrow, at twelve o'clock, sir rye .answer. Ile did taut know whether her Majesty would permit him to ask fur any delay. r. hiorr:.l.tan, artier sank further discus.tion on the subject, was inhumed by the Lord Chancellor, that lice Majesty's Coun sel should be called on to-morrow, at twelve o'clock, to give au answer to the que.tion. Tire Hume Own adjourned. 111111AY, REPT. 8. The !lenge nod at half pint eleven , prayers were read, and the toil Cdilvd over. About three thiourea before twelve o'clock, Counsel were called in. Tin 1.01t1) CHANCELLOR.--Mr. Brougham, yon are desired by the house to Mate whether you ale ready to co 11111 l rime the defence now, arid follow it by evidence, ur olit open it now cud then ask a delay berms )oti c‘a mine, the oil 111'NSCII. Mr. 11144.1. HA IC fOSP, end in a low tone of voice, which was JCillt`t I v doulible. addressed their Lordships. We unit.' tam to say that he way prehai ed 11l compeller. tilt 'lt 1 " 1 -e 01 hatr bl. 6 .l‘sty siuwornd al.ut.id he fctl hem:- INCA 291 wary to call evidence, that he might be allowed to do so, or possess the option of calling %finesses at a (tame pe riod. _ . file Earl of LAUDERDALE moved that the Counsel 11 , 1 , withdraw. This heing done, the Noble Lord suit he w a s sure that their Lordship's worth' grant the Learned Conn • set for the Qaeeit every indulgence itecessary for the roots of justice, or consistent with the dignity of the House; and that, if they requited time for lb: defence, it would would readily he granted. Lord EitifilNi: did nut wish the Counsel for her Ma. jesty to he !Mimed in the def.-lice, but that they should ne slitter ed to COI .... ence now, without being milled on to say whether they inteilded to call witnesses and ectoderm it to its conclusion or trot. The Learned Coansel might make such an impression on the House, as to render it rinnecssary to call any witnesses. In the ordinary Courts of Law—and the nearer the proceeding of their Lord. ships were assimilated to the Courts of Law the better— when n prosecution was co iiiiii euced, the Grimmer could either begin the cause, or, if Ire wished to delay it, he could do so, by withdrawing the record, or specially moving the Court for that purpose; lint wheel a came was Once began, he must go through with it; and the Counsel for the defence must also go on with it, because he is supposed to have been fully prepared. Should, however, any circumstances afterwards transpire which are im portant, and of which he could not hare the benefit at the time, he has still the remedy in a new trial, which, on a statement of the circumstances is not refused. No etch remedy, however, was left to the defendant before their Lordships, who could not grant any new trial. The pre amble of the Bill he considered like an indictment is common law; and if their Lordships had given the same advantages as ore given iu the cases of indictment. a list of the witnesses, and the. times and places where the crime was alleged to have been committed, they would not have placed themselves in the predicament in which they now stood. No individual ever came to a Bar situ• ated as her Majesty; sire was ignorant of the charges against her, and could not even prepare for her defruce until the prosecution was closed. Her Counsel could not cross.examine the witnesses, because they had never known even their names until placed at the Bar of their Lordships. %What were now the consequences; the evi dence that had been adduced was not confined to their Lordships ; it had gone forth to the public, and was now partly known throughout the whole of Enrope.m. 'fire Noble Eat' opposite (Liverpool) did himself honour when he said, Cud forbid any impression should be made on any person by the evidence that had been brought forward; he would say, God forbid also; but it was not in human nature, not to be affected in some de gree by ex-parte statements. If the House should adjourn now, a very nufavotitsble impression would rest against her Majesty. His Majesty's Solicitor-General, iu sum ming up, had Said the evidence was incontrovertible. Were their Lordships then to adjourn for two or more months, and sutler evidence to go forth, uncoutradicted, which the Solicitur-Lieneral said could not be answered, If it was wriiiig in courts of law to hear the Counsel for the prosecution sum up, without hearing the Counsel for the defence, how mncu more so in the present case. He contended that they might to 'mar the Counsel for her Ma• jesty, without requiriorg from him airy promise as to wire titer he would calf witnesses now, or then ask for delay. But what was the cause of all this inconvenience? The division of the cause into two parts. Arid why was it so divider'? Not certainly to favour the accused. The Learned Counsel Nom) one side had stated, that the evi dence already profiler(' was such as could not be answered. Shook' not the Coinisel on the other side have au opport 111 l ity of slating whenter he could answer it or not Let that he done; let the bane and the antidote go oat together. Torre viola he no injustice in such a course. Her Majesty's Coeusel had a rigid, before the adjourn. ment took. place, to call upon their Lordships to pause on the evidence. He had no feeling in the case, nor should lie permit the intrusion of airy brit what might belong to it in the end, and yet lie was afraid to speed two or hum moths with the evidence in his mind, assisted and en. forced as it was by the summing up of Counsel. All that her Majesty's Counsel asked was, that they should permit him to make his statenteut, leaving it to their Lordships to determine afterwards as to the motile to be pursued with respect to the evidence. If, after making his state meta, Ire should proceed to call in witnesses, then would be the time for them who disapproved. to state their obi ject ions. The Earl of LAUDERDALE said, the question on which they were now to decide was this, whether they would adjourn after the persons wire appeared fur the Bill had closed their case, ur whether they would 1111 . 111111 t the Crimea:l for her Majesty to open their case before the adjour 1111 l rut. Ile would contend, Nitro every principle of justice, that if they were to adjourn at all, they miaow! do so at the present period. The House had proceeded all along with a view to alford the utmost indulgence to her Illojesty. It was true, as his Noble Friend had stated, that the iiirlaence oi' sucln a body of evidence remaining in the mind toe two or three months was an evil, but the evil had been mitigated by the perniimion to cross-exa mine, and the toiriitiation laid by that meatus for more eSlim IVC (!xamitua lion in future. The LOUD CII.INt.:ELLOIt had never in his life felt more disposed to decline a task imposed on him than he felt at that moment. lint liehad sa duly to pertains i and that ditty he must perlorm to the best of his judgment.— tie d,d nut recall !lie opititou that lie had formefly that if the Counsel fur the defence prayed fur lime, they ought to have it ; but whatever wete the• peculiar cir- V11111 , 1:1111ei.b of this case, it was the duty of their Lord ships tot nand their deet.ion on sonic general In iodide that might safely be refilled to in future times, as a precedent. He emelt, nut disguise Its sentiments and say, that it was nu evil to liditllllll in this state of ine proceed ings. Their Lordships would be guilty of a violate of their duly, if they were to suppose any thing like estab lished guilt was to be ass irons what 1144 passed. It was their ditty to rimenther, that possibly every syllable of the evidence might lie disproved. The Hone ;Meta ust di to :he honour of the Learned Cuunsei, and he hoped they should llever !cc men at that Bar who did nut hear the saute. high character; lint it was lint too their Lordships, in the adwiuistraliuo of justice, to place t on. hileiive w any individual so tar a► to tin get those ;seismal pitileiplts by which their conduct ought always in he governed. U pen mature consideration of the whole put•s tJuu he declatril that, acting on the 110110111 . Of a Peer and his se use of duty as a 111411, he eutdd Ilia approve of the ploposit!on wliteh had been made 10 their Loidshipss— /For colitlisiiri ran ,re .ge tis.) 4 1;;;;i au the De twit