The Statesman. — London, England, 1814-07-20 00:00:00

FIN ,~~, , . . . . hart of it, and he thought tire case hairbest remain Aisnw that the offence Was for decision where the constitution had left it. • r an is it ious crime. An Ht Mi. W.'WYNNE contended, i t was i n no w ay ot k ei ~ de of the lions, (Sir r a violatiowof the Constitution for that House to in- his advantages of eduoatioe, terfere on this subject, as there, was no prerogative ; perceived the enormity -0 of the Crown with which they had not a right, and ; with a degree of tenderness with which it Might °of, in some instances, be their i him,-. He .was, therefore, gl bounden duty to interfere. He could not consent ! conspiring to. cheat the King' , that that House should be shore of its importance, !a few individuals, had been and •said to have no right to Address the Crown en crime. Ile should not now . Alto the question, Snell an occasion. if they thought the sentence! whether the pillory was or %Tat not a.proper mode of too aerate, It was as much their duty to address "punishment; but it was the punishment ,which the the Sovertigu to remit part of it, its.:it was th a t o f il aw o f th e land affixed to infamous offences, and Isis Ministers, if they thought site. Aftiliad f!airi the which it was, therefore, the duty of the Judges to first been of opinion the videolin*lven. ou till , trial I pronounce. In so doing; thei'lsad upheld the 'mo ires suflitiaik,to 'otairant, lhe conviction of fitat*ality of the country, and it would 'defend IC nehrans4 'Airs ihia driltann was 'confirmed•'69r.isoperty of his Majesty's subjects (roil . fraud le'tery thing ho'hatt bear& As to what was 'said of : dishonest conspiracies of this nature in fatere. .De &roger hating. a change of dothes • Ili lits i lairs had done their duty in this case, .the kleykAssal portmanteau, he thought it would be very exlraor. Orine its duty, and it-now remained for ektirpoi dinatry,if it cools! Ie p r oved th a t h e h a d t a k en ,th e i dli c h a t ie i ts d uty. . lie coliCeived, -upon f ".. ~. precaution of taking with hi m a c h ange o f . c l o thas„ , that it Was a dangerous pridripliforthe If ' n vris iich•bWcauld not be seen when he ietiiine4 to, terfere•with the prerogative 'if Ifinktv.o, It,- lb town, and wiiicii he was obliged again to tihatige at 'now to intim; thaflouse, that thaelown badlidti Lord Cochrane's. ).:This. Wall oirtaikly peteible; bet ' steps to itstrimasiti o utitTcy-to omit Oat part.pf,l l 4 it was very far from being probable, and it was for' trnishmeges,Aptt, yeti r loth irespact to Lord „Cock er Jury to,deoide,if ,1t was. entitled to credit : Ea- sane, .bot tiii4illiiir Iwo persons whb had been Sea. tertaining no, ainibt wiyitever of the,,guitt of . i 0r4 .4 tenced..tiusf Cries of hear, hear !I—lle 'Elitist, Chi-brine, he iViii)jd',.liii Ow - last man to .iugni. hit ever , state evpiessly the grounds on which' Itil the sentence; o' lii r ittiimpt ,to obt4ip irlin.' ;lrOrcy was so attended. ft was not from the Wig-Matt Haase a deetarattat that it waa''firo Belem b titer, daubtibting entertained, either . of ..the 404 , .of p ortivici, pits k.• tit than whetherifis Lifiditsip's 1407 parties, .or - tip. r . 4 . rietj of,the itentince4,re - oegitves tikl. itnt . Pitt itt; him • to some itsioigencel JAM 'tessio-wao*tiritt j r thito *hitt , the„D i tiOi L ts •it 1, 4 tlid'inai know I hat he _9:04 gowfootlgaiffierOilietit,i f tite )nsfit Otthe auottr 'to . prokdotiali - Vat 'i ,1110 r *dr itn Wisti:d . t hat . pa i rt . .of ilift.,pasiishmenc.TA tt po)vit; iing %akin into its considerlittitfilliqnti, • ifittted which hid bean sO geniiiilk objected ti .• , qiiiiiillatit such ciritaeS, so littte'kittrilihriiiVilig Rug:, and he *Vilified thief Loin O ' deprived dr his NiiTarciiihatsii; hoped thst;this•werning isnifil lee-airiliCieWl . command( and .iklf 'his: hoinists; as I . khight of thiOtodgfc other personw.from the: emntalielau.af . siosiiifi. _ loo.ton , -,pr,po49 t4 nmpt.yri !ile.R.cpq sstbij w as oritive,whlcl3lk fOilicitiiid 'that T i 414 'ltAii -.1 . Iti3itliff'tfre itititliocet' 4 'vlore. • -;...6.41.6 4rPoi& atrialkioli - --A . ~. . , -• , . It - : '-'' - , . i ~. . . .. .; -'... ; 749 • : .- - • . • .. •• . • 49 ' ''' : : 1 1 / 4 4i. 5e.....i1.k...(4.1 . 1 . . .1. '-. . • . . . . . . „ . . , . 1 . . .. - , 1 • ' . -- 961im is . • '-`•-• - n9:::: -... .....;•........;..--L. - 4..:..'''‘ --:,---.- _ ---•': -----•:-....--- - .' : .'. ::1frit..... .; 74 41- . 4.--.'''5k1177...::. ,t. fart of it, and he thought tire case hail hest remain know that the offence seal Con'sider - e;l'liftltiutacw as butdhl not theilon..Mettlier knit* theAbeefeount ' LOrd for decision where the constitution hail left it. an ie it ious crime. An Hotiourable - ilaiiiiiibl im the in duestion of the trial,war talteii by l'iltiffrf.liiind aftfr the o Mr. W. - WYNNE contended, it was in no way othe, side of the House (Sir F. Burdett), asho, with water belongipg 10 tl:e Court, andeentioille trudge He regre a violation' of the Constitution for that House to in_ his advantages of education, ought -to has clearly fet Vs retision. lie did not knqst that any change , made cal terfere on this subject, as there, was no prerogative • perceived the enormity -of ,the offence, spnke of it •l wis'ande in the charge ; bid. thYpeljr Way • ,te.ascer:' &rater o 1. • • ..of the Crown with Which they had not a r i g ht, and °, with a degree of tenderness that did not belong to lainshe fact would be to exesidee theshoet.hand writer ' -. 410..1, with which it might not; is some instances, be their '; hirN - . Ho .wag , therefore, glad, th a t ' t h e C r i me o f st,ir bar. In fact, hoWeier,'the re Wla itdfa lade dolor] as- ,i bounden duty to interfere. He could not consent !conspiring to. cheat the 'King's 'subje c t s f o r t h e g a i n o f. or' nfecice to erore'lliit De 134eriger* eppeenedlia; • steralAlu that that House should be sh ore o f i ts importance, " a few individuals, h a d b een !narked as a i n o s t• ser in u i 1 f or w i t so rd C oc h rane i n t h e !,•cbstuine V his crime.. , ''''' fetter l •,. i T:o • and said to hare no right t o address t h e C ro w n en cr i me .. Il e should not now enter into the question, 1 soliNt(beeir Called., Then agiln'Aoi tfie slightest tp T ..oid g o Snell an occasion. If they thought the sentence I whether the pillory was or was not a .proper mode of"I tiCekittaken °fa pOrtmauteau,whick De Berengerted i'Lltest too severe, It was as much their duty to address punishment I but it was the puniihment .trehictt the withhily.though it was allay of the 'greatest iiii. orrect the Sovereigu to remit part of it, es.:it was that of Slaw of the land affixed to infamous off e nces, and porbinee, cud compatible With ever) , flifirg;Wltejs'' ad,hip . 1 s 1 • . Ids Ministers, if they thought se. Xfsilted feisip the , which it was, therefore, the duty of the Judges to Lord Cochrane had stated in, his-affidavit. He should ; tween th first been of opinion the videntietiliren- ou the -trial I pronounce. In so doing; theYhad upheld the 'mo. -pow advert to what the Noble:laird (Castlereagh) davit : h ides sufli4itti t cs: Weieent lhe conviction of Litetality of the country, and 'ii -would 'defend the had sell with mrspeit to himself:, The Nbhle Lords : was 'mar ~ lGochrone., 'Aar- thfh ditielon was `confirmed'' -of his Mejesty's subjects from . fraud and candour wee greatly belebraied,' but what „fie - melint sent. ,1 itery thing bhhati beards- As to what was 'saki of : dishonest conspiracies of this nature in fitters. The t. convey by the asp siiii..tbit. he ( Sir Fistialdett). ! that if ti „De &roger haring. a chan g e o f dothes •la 'tits t law; had done thei r d u ty i n thi s case , she kierleithad I had spoken of the o fl b e:Afirith a tenderness that field mit • pprtmenteao, he thought it w ou ld b e v er y ex t r a or . ida ne i ts d uty , an d it:now remained for 64 Ceesse to I did not belong to it ;''''' 'iffiest not. 14444* at it tors aufl, chi dinery,if it could be proved that he had take n the i di s charge its duty. .He cotteeived, -upon the whole, ! me in a legal point of view, he c.rtaissly ,Tic( say, film. • - 1 i . ~. is l precsetien of taking with him a cha ng e o f . clotes„ , that it Was a dangerous p r ieriplef or th e H ouse to la. I that i the eye of the law it wa s itokeosteltlered• Ws:10 The l A: iii oitsith •be . ciould not be see n wh en h e r e t u r ne l to, terfere• with the pre r ogati v e' f ithei.Oviww, He -bad '. cr . ' ,but as a misdemeanor only, and not crirervin t i 1 :-what he 4. '4"' .town, and wtticli he was obliged again to change at 'now to infants uiets the.4louse, that theteiewp bad teken.l same heavy puseakt atjteloogi to a crime. , let%tt, lit ; ' • Lost Cochrene's..).:This. was oirtairdy peasible; bet ' steps to intrPosek ; - 04,.esprey-to omit putt part.pfAlse'• •was the tenderness •of that Otlinieest ll* ;" reason tt ' • it was very far from being probable, and it was for ltrnishineififtwt eftlY with reepackto Lord .Lech. N Lord hard Mated,' elf , the. , groctlidltSr" that tie l 4ton.folsic the Jury te,deefile, it .It wits - entitled to crtsslitr: Ent. sine, . but tiiii;:illiiii two persons who find been len. vi likk• had been sisea4o,.,the eroirit . .(tied for, ffir life h tertaining no ai., , bt v i,iit t ,e, of the,guilt of ,rorti. 4 termed..i.t'd:4 cares of hear, har !I—lle ' eesist, t wit ' .. he had his: shanksfienlie:Mtat Singular =etre ithat it w Cat-brine, he seiiejsf r bir lite last man to iocut --1111i4rer, stale expressly the grounds om which` eta ! upek . .h. The_ crier Ass .so tpre, se nut. thg,iodfc the sentence, ol• tit attempt to obtsip irlia.' wOrcy was so extended. It was . not from the ilighteit '• COO* 04 was nol..neesorary to prortr. t) the 5 .1 lipase a deeliarettort that it was''fito - seveie. h tliai d deubt,belug entertained, either .of .the OW 44-tbek, bill''' . , er(to . ii 'ate -- law•lettcr'etTect '-Tl i te VA,, nesi: 4 l - A I weOci ppit?itp.tit than whetherlds Lifrchisip'illppill,parties, .or !hp- r . 4 . riety rat,the aeritenco;:rjhe sm.!, i Lori Alit Alp ; right ilk . . What hi !tuf t y r s ,bki, exlminp _ aepipTi . ( Hit i p t t . e l l itta ' him• to some indalgencel cabe:lessiu-sea*.pirqt !thin whit theDeeikoltkerj, it to . certailtAls - hatt.: - .. better . Opportunities .of Imillei.. • theirfoa i ' .diTitei know that he seul i d gu i tli.fmtlieta hpieiidajettt,', Otte )ipfit• Of :the aunit r tO pr.osiduilt4i Ifit ilie ing thtt date of the country • but'?f, AU IOISI . r .L IS eut4fini I . ;wier ha Wishisa ,the t . part .of itet,,papilittnenc.te it pot!ti; ring %Ain into its co nsiderietTrit filliqiittrii; ' Butilitt)' was - certain' that ti he we r e tO.;ruekt. ~ , ist,x,e bi 4011 I • ittiltted which hid beets so generally objected ,41, giatoyerit such ciritueb, so littte'kUctieldisiehg Msg. Gentleman . in- the •lobby . *Of . the Hoose,t me& t!slpittih, s. l the. del iand he *lthitled ditto Loid deprived :d Ms NeVer 14 Iiihrlv.eillt ' hoped rbet;this'lrertkinft w ould htlowlliCient such a reason for the mercy 'cif the'Crown hetns vt„:1 coast% ccompandf and qilf . tis: horivion; ai elEiiiiiit of thir.?to deter other persocia'.ftton tbe:emniolialcus.4l.sirei- tended tinkrils the Partists• in diteition, he -woahli hapi w Bath, though .the aidter• parties% - Convicted staid isrfriar,ollynces. , 4 The oldeeti,ef,punilihrelpt.wia gutptatj concavity laitglt•ip. his face.,, o lie, -for-one . ,°;bg!trfi. , , wp r io n t the pillory, and ha,, did sok, would mill be punished•iveution of ,crnites and asi w thil was - ii crime, whjeb lift' did not care upott what ro il tilt advice wttSgirdis.;,' l' read t as severely as Au ‘ 1,741, 1 ,He• .tkouglt4 . .the t' 'so occur , "it Anseiteed timer( ! tab noLor i the advice itself' was wise rind pkident—itoi as hi, if- . Alp 4 . iaticii of Info . 'W-obili Yord i ,,Alll4hk,l7 tiAerrit tu l celliary'to indict this"*ltisid iff'tlYeltitithititel'"Wit . ,ItlP:fected fiord-Cochrane, •• rho' d es p ised it, Nit . aS'il • . ammo , ,__: •,_ ~ • *Write *entente : 4i fUrT!Kiiiit' or ' ties a tut „eeentai neriesewinto OtatWolielt rollesdirlttielii *mat niiiiihkraiell consulted.the femoral feelfhti"oft - tfia aounter...,— .'_ ADM Cs .. .. . .:. - 7 -....,..i . .. ..._-.. . . . . .‘_ • .... 1 / 4 4i, . . ~... „..._,.,. - . ..,, :.,..,- -:....,..,.,.. ~..! )..... .4.- ... - - -.. rf- ... 7 ' :.- r • .;:"" •. : -' ....._._ ~.-...:-._2 t '- t : OhSiaol4o - ,l;lttii`tate as :— ltutdid tint thcrilon..Metitier 1 lotiourable - iiiiiiiiß im the ji ittestion of the trial, War . 1 iir F. Burdett), *rho, with 'dip belonging to tl:e Court, on, ought -to hare clearly . fee Vs wilkision. lie did not ' )f ,the offence, spoke a it.twietitadi in the charge ; but !esg that did not belong to lainiheifact would het° eimesi o glad, that 'the Crime of istlir bar. In fact, hoWiie.l sg's 'subjects for th e ga i n o f. or" . Ofetice to vrovelhit 'De l n marked is a inost'serioui 1 forw4Aurd Cochra n e in the !‘-, lw enter int o the weettion, 1. twitkkbeett called. Tben_agi , _ . 7.4ry ~i,,,,t,.. ~.,,. . , ~.,- - 4 -.-. - 4 . i,--• . • ~-' 'PR, . t , .., .c.,t,, , ,.,. ..,`, • . , ..- - • 74x . ' .. . - , . . . • . . . , . , • 1 1 . ). , a* titttiAlte:afeoupt ' Lind Ei3ft !q6T61 4 1.i-oSe e 'tO witiwirit.ii: hiii iiiiiiitiii , „ . reii bY ii'llharf:hattit ertft the cpmtnunicatiott,bsside by Ow Nc•ble Lord; ndaent 10.6 Jude He regretted, , anci-waistirprisetl, tit ii., boil ooi h4 f i ‘ 19# that any change : made earlier, especially as ,the Nnlilf.4,l , .trl hi d . iiii it . ~• 1 piiiii Way ,toa.scer : . floraret occasiqn fie earnestrrrieprer.ated elliCaisibti. lieshoet-harisi writer ' -. 44,r. ii 611,g Kt roso to liitor-o file' floiree; that ni there we; Of a 'ciitle io.hifl as-,4 horti E tio sta(era-sit, of Ilse Soliritor.Ge: renger *pp,' oest- bet • *emt J,hat 1 40c4tirAga tkigt rsitif 1 1i. 4 414Finkti, WOOto Ittlineuf his cziar.Z*,,i fetter to Lo:4 Gds segue, tar ask lie. eauletradoo.-::. , I, 1 .::. . t .1 i i kna tatreli Lord in ." ...,. tif i ttit tit( :.e i land. 7% e reg. did not knc ; .i.intide earli. , the ' .rge ; btu, nicer.. ' former •to ezemiete the short-hand writer ' : .,Ir. !, hoiaier,`there . wit; Of' 'tilde itioo at 'shit De s4enger . eagstoned;iii. • *era) 4.4181, - forn.Lord .. ., in the !‘ •cbs tume of his crime''!"` , . fetter to Lo,tl . , eittiv.- to, k eta. 4 9 14 mit io ii .•••'.; asitpegbeeir called....ThethagitnAtif die sligAtettitp T • , ..oi)ti cogkraty,,had..ltrtinialiitely au.Kored• hit's.; say: i n ticenasta ken efi piirtmatitsau,witicitik Berenger:isad i'that the asiertirin of ; the iolicifor4leutral Kahn:' with•hily.thougli it was li liftr Of tb d .. 'grf . eq i . ii: oirlitt ; that Ilthld never • reed over iiii.hrlisf, eat portan 4, , and compatible with every filingiv,X,lttek• ad,his . altevition,hpop Caffeti,,to the (41 :retie. he: Lord Cochrane had stated ie his-affidavit. He should ; tween the stateineetofiviti,tieairtitita tiCifi his own MB, .int the Noble :bird (Castlereagh) davit : he Intl only reautene .part of, the brief which Itelipedtt e o ishaseff.,. The Nettie Loydis : was 'markeci. in the mirgin of, the,cOpy whi c h h e nn * febrated,' but what .litAnelint sent. ;flit, lien. Gentkemau :concluded by seying, ;p sitixthit. he (Sir , FiSiodeti). ! that if the Noble I4rd.did not. accept %the invitation of& e:Afterith a tendernitor that field oat In trim, atuc unseal • the months of, his *Masi. t ;'''- 'Via . . not. Ltiolifig at it tors_ sa i d iidirowes, ; he,senat feel a,di,posiling vigainst ritik ioint eft view, he cPrtaildy tTid siy t . Min. the law It was noteoiteitleted'isli i The SQLICITOR . -GENERAL oh , ~, 'Abet lademeabor pely, and not direprinit 1 :-what he flail stated bid got beeti..of his.even. kuovra.., pusfakmettias.kelongi to a crime. , ledge, but he hati!it from authorit,y whit* he Intito4-, temdorueea .of that otlinienvt hits ;" reason to dmilit." . lii; had made engniries of 07 pee._ Lied,: elf , the.•grodlidlfle that iiiii.i s genFoacertieliiv Wile . tplcl .. hi in 'tho t thoJtistrbetioks been givei..ba,,,the ereiriv . (iied for* , ffir lire brief were received from Lord ,Cocheenec • thaukt)iithetneit Singular .cainiellhat it was:read toltim,ttqd . appreta4.brislegosee e pt ':'• crime ~so rare , .so, en. thg.indjetovvet anktheaffidaviltaugilltr killetabillveg 1 . gas nolAseitiaipoy- to xatili,_ 6y'the strw.jr.tichangf , ,,viiiiii •waa trot tbionAireedi- t : 'law ititiv , 'e trect ' -`1,14 will nesi:4l - A t * sobeeqnent ,t4m 0 t he: 4 trrca Seelninfs Yelito . ight - lit . "'iliac 'hi 104 • 40 : Jib J eiliefnoil, ayii Loird .Qo4hraili : ,read "end .corrected better opportunities .of Imitive.ltheiretatement t. 11e pacilyela i rly -Corrected ones/gib. cot' ntrjr , ,• but 'pf,, AU lie f StrA tea initil pi:Thomas, Cleiiiinau..-,Xbeivough.disao g ht in,lthit a he'rese to.;rueilt. , , isco. brictaf, We% geptdikb. :. ojagivisd o a4Ol . was Aw l Gentleman +in tiie•lobby of . the Hoase.,:a it& tell, lit* I the. delbetill..4 ; the Can • 1••• 1 :khofe liviis one cir• 'such a rental] for the matey 'df 'the' Crown beintit=.l elllol l l-91!eilitlilix44: 1 0111.;t .brig• *MAI' wes :pee. 7 tended tiviltrils the pasterns .in iiiiiiition,. he -wouldi ham: -worthy of mention... one part of font lines/. certainly irri!gtt Jo. his fice.,, . /le, -for-net howevrfi. , wpre3sEnieggikstdd,aPpnsite were wkilteo ;the ulnae did not care up") what groun4 tilt ttdviie %III! givdt! • 4 f• read tq Lard Coeltrnite.". i., z li .:.+O4 •••4 D 4 • ••, • the advice itselt'was wise and pkideiii.;---iioi as it. it: „Alp iut,tptapbtifY .aitiosta'( - 4Ksortiawies . fected fiord -Cochrane, • who despised it, bUt aS 'il , o.oonducteil,, -the defOtat leviug c ep • ~. iot:, brut • rh con:4IO4AP general feel7!ii 'ofsthe, 404ntrYt,404•: .t. . Lt 4, cosiclll*/*Pilikkolliketi l cePtlL , fil , -, .7kbe- ATTORNEY - C ritallßßAL laid, that .itherst them; ,had:gireitillike v ele. rittfiNiliiiit,; i kl i f ) , ,i v " . l* ,A f kie OCO it4r . 777,74, 4 . 1.. +4# I TT said, aluatittete . , {,proper.tippgaise the:l'644 luiy ; but wheb . lt was; read his brief, Jta, • was autbertatd• to, tila,t OS etigth.'en a 'fortsee of • • aecestary.te held the chptFter •of Ms eoffetti,?, brief as Usual consisted of two.perts„. the recital and ig4l o t vot r ineili umeeth, . __ La : da iii ~i ii i t ios • Atke . powkirAe:tiAtill A ptielnaOse l n. the itp r ti,. nint.that each art hat f rhseu reatiOctio _ _ .ofi be Jnis.. _ ft ~, .ffil4l:. %, - _ • . . „, * that A `Wintil'ily.abs-esiti/ e naSot-our, :bialhet ‘i IM-4401,Aniti.lieal- his 4o shili'liiiljih's et care.—Lniiiii, hew% siether min ter dolleg l itt. 'He should • Ville in' &woe :•10eselliiiiyao *rearm:alai . thb- -attruirlow bit whirihfiliti 1 Iratit'llt • &btu( anii(k'' • 4= otor"mre Mr. WII I•7I:HERIIt e L wadi,- front* same au.. of the anginal motion,- and if Miriiiteri'ibuld'xitittlet*lbeititk hei, ifidned.4. !latex risep at...aili,..alt Vsktv . .M.C.. atiF6 04 1V.44104,.k & • it."' ilk itniattell !Wry, * 'simper etatetneut• •' - . • •' •• . agree to it, he hoped they would prefer' movies. the tetipm . which, had 'itiiiiiiied.in themrste 4 .4. irk 4 ' gek 1 i I .r/ 4. I ii 4 .0.1 01 et Of J4OlldP4 Arg4 iski : i 4/51 1 . ; Mr. ftY,III4TBREAD . merely' retie .tot:alatt‘lffhat yrevjout question. to meeting it with e fiat negative. I 'kept ~, te. • :The 1/Vitiation Of the Npble.torg,l,..,lolluistf•bf 4 17 . 4;'iitillOtlar of 'the ._ there. were is the b r ief twelve other lirieg etpuoge4 ~MOLIIt. A. TAYLOR and MriVif2 4 tiNE taut at! It iv - given. earlier, iiourd bavp sairar 14 ...tamplke *aqui vkt•r** . •vg,6 he beld'in. ft bead's the foitr alluded to by the Ifolicitor..aelierit at thlt4 etplaiteed. ... • • } 'House the trouble of listening ea a lotfighiSetillifivit. ',ll,oo•4lotttible - anditiett _ ilharthe shoit-hand andagainst these the name of Lord Cochra ne did no t -Mr. NUM spoke in favour of the original mo‘..,There were many ways its which tbeititaailn'• Iftkiliew"iftef idtirZxit 4044 i:: . rip Ohl - Ovid. it to the appear. He was not aware that the feet was of . it'll * - Gen, and contended, to vote the Address proposed A. considered; as affeeting-lhe'feelingeottlitepstoptit!' i beaabed cadge to bee twitted by' him. It was the value, but he mentioned it.to si r * th a t the eireui t ,4•• would be an imiaioper interference . with the pre.. l :atigrge, as atfeetitig: the intt+iic. jastiestof the .epemielconinvoikpratqice -so- **40.1.- and thtf Terinßeportc, stance of the expunging could -not' • faicly ieelgh' o b ' irOgailiei of the Crown. The sentence of Pillory, - trji; and** affecting the NOble Lord himself, .eglmeg•rtikkithet iiiii4o..of.eirmiAldbutity, bad been suss- either side. -The ,cenniveniestioss which ' hid' bier) be maintained the public had been of opinion, might case was under consideration. Jie confessed. intleediertittO•Ap ; .e s sivnilar review. r.very . .mun .Wb9 hid mode by the • Noble Lord precieded the:neoesOfy -of . 4. t have been spared. 11 was more ignomitiious than that as far as the Noble Lord 'Was concerned l , ait ... ami ft abilytlwilid.ittstomen t bf hii tviiii speech meat, any obser ve:jou, on the present 'questide ..- thouglret. • the alleged offence called for. ! motion was youpattile.l . perfetkitidifteleital iWd . -$: :Zt iie litAnneitot lanf o lty. correct . If the Lion, thiestit t tbet the Noble Lord troulat4ibee ' llekre*Oftifv- Lord CASTLEit.F.AGII had ventured to suggest lied wholly Epp* thilisiestiousnisr of Irlilieteallaggli 4 it-twit...yeti 'ro .in imply that the Noble' ta.make that - cernmuttication eithetimillar.. r .orAgefiveif • . teethe Noble Lord r - when he first ere fig notice, - and valued kis chevalier. ferimere thee auf•ignotilhatbsi•eovsioleirnad , Judge •'who triad the cause would wic • AsiAtiltate.-A-lboweier,lfinliiid beigi &mod b'pliii 4: 4 that althOugh it was competent to an, 51,4nber to ons punishment which could be iniiicted... Boteigaelkaediv'ataVhii-ella/ese ho•te gills it a diffe'Vent co vote, he certainty should kiwi, vokkrldp.o4lmtavehiVkl stibcrsit such a question to the consideration of the ,laticted•the feelings of the country, A wd•tki t Aiioroowik iierviibittilm ifie Noble and Learned Personshit .withoot itnyreference to the twill' ifrokfiteeentat I Muse, yet few or no instances of such an inter- • of that ,profeasion to wisicirite NOSTelOrd'.•vra4 ; ziprefilt . kjelfetflei:iii would ` say, that time.' was ,of . Lord Verhrone, ;.t;', z,.., ••••:,:,#• •• • ,:- •-: : - •••1 ( (l ame with the prerogative - of the Ceaqa; well to be , honour, he should certainly 'have sttpifbiret. tii , o l at__ __o. , tiallq111.11; jets; the Watt **he - wis espliblii 'Fr ' t 'Mt. origiiial isoflorenclifteibefAndinent were ther ~ found, et 'east in the modern prnctioe of 'Parliament. " tion, had not the • decTiritien of ttlitt:Nivbie Vcilir att:crqpti: . Why•,shoil4 not •-the floilcifirr.:(4 withdrawn. •,, , • .. .., ..•,.......; - • , • ;•.! , ;1 _ - , •••• :• • .-p= ' • ‘6 ._.. REy Elilgia."4 4 gir Gavng. , -,.: . :.• • ,-•• It..was. an extremely _ delicete discretiott:. which the (CAttlereigh) ) tendered it enencelsok"p trW•prenti- it • • 'seri! ilase.dillyareti . bis opinion on Rib subikt,:,"„ It . --- then • and fir Crown had to etterchia in this case ;•bet it was - not, S ome ' remark:4 however, bad\beewatede t ited paitii;was weft. .bnovto that 4e, as well as • his 131equed . Mr. BA NKS rose, tee anverphlt, i l. .. vigil l'or the Udine to interfere with ,titi dlitarehon v i,eicelarly by theitiliiittitsGerverei, width had a . telt4 t ,lFrieuil, had peremptorily refined to be 0%004 ,Minary: remarks made, ide,,,unituate, vriotioa le o-on ue,:te preeutne• that it would not bo. •F•pottlrezeoPpiency to shake that favourable jedgettnt with teseasti on either aide an that Witt If it was saidArkt . thoy Numblo:dddretif to the ,Prinooliege4t that hcarente ....76.7., _ - - . _ Cifliettr 1 !1:11 - dqrftilltlitrAtiOn of iu,sti4 Vas taow so pettieflii eat its parts, O i that / the niesParsnce of Par. - Liar . _ plingetWiat tploititelotylltfiee;•phitb, or,sittary, is .reetersiop, or• for joitir Lives, 7 giOnthi offer thf of Par)him---' ratherr , Mutt.r.td ser- prei*licie t an Ilift. 411 :those days;ohint Judie, Witidtkpitidecit on the Crown, and removable' at pleasure, their excesses might hare made the ioterferince of earlisment coal°. i~ ; Mes~ S~'}IIIAAL timed 'necesiery. Otir courts ef,frufitice should hare no colour of political tilag; anii_gonailleraiiuns which might dare some weight la' that ItCate; . ..ought to haye ma influent* on their decisinn*: iti the; pi•esent case, haver novound for - tbdr. interference. The 11en..1 Cgtl4. who had spoken last (Nr. litrzstYappsarA reprge Ida nett ; tuoil.Lgermeci Friend (the Sciititer . .i.; General) for travelling a I,ittle,.cut of ,the regoiiir grounds upon whfCh the motion of thii night- tteti brought forward. It must be ieeelleetetkkeireret, that there bad been a.ditcallsinn on a fernier night, whop the piotge Lord (Lord Coehrene)AlitH circumstancettbat no one at that ticne cotectins pre pared tp meet, _and which produced .such an erect on many Members as it; make them express a doubt of ., his guilt. If loose dOnlits hid arisen, nobody knew haw, respecting the juitiel 'of the verdict and We sentence, it did becOthi his HMI. and Darned Friend to come forward with the weight of his great talents' and character, and remove from the Houge that delusion which Mid been attempted. It would! certainty he pninfol to their feelings to be kept in a long state of sospence on this subject; and it was a Considerable: relief to hie mind, to think that this affidavit of Lord Ceeliratte's, which was now so much relied on, was fully befere the consideration of the Jury that 'tried him, and was even liroeithe for- I ward in evidence on the part of the prosecution. Et was distinctly etated . to the Itai:by the Noble Judgel who presided at the trial, that it they believed tfia:t affidavit they must grey i t Lord et;citelis4. The trial was now printed, and every Member might Mild:III' and he, for his patti'esuid not see whit that Metes. should have doehti where the Jury hit) is ft was certainly painful to see a man of Litt's! .C.4eb rane's taakyand who bid rendered distinguished sere vices to the country, placetFin a condition so degtad- . ing ; but, he could not weeny distinction that any pri. vileged orders in society had to exempt from those pu. stiArnents which the law bad affixed to certain crimes. He had 1110 t token up any such aristocratical notions; • and he thought, that if persons in elevated situations - suffered ' their minds to be so debased as to commit those crimes which the law considered infamous, there was nothing in their station which eximpted them from the punishment which the law affixed to such crimes. It would be a dangerous doctrine to lay it down as dts 'abstract principle, that the rank and sertices of Lord Cochrane should exempt him from the punishment which would attach to another offender who should have committed the same crime. There had been attempts out of doors to blind one °another, and to deceive the public as to the magui. lode of the offence. It had been represented, not as ; it Magma crime, but rather as an effort of ingenuity. i It was, therefore, necessary Mit the country should 1 1-tgmehL - . .---„ Beth, though . the She r• partiai - Convicted staid isvalar,ollinces. ochNoltiest.*,o the pillory, and he, did eve r weelti .4111 be punisbeit.ivesition of ,crimes,. and es ti as severely as . thlty t iyeure, l Ac.though4 ..the pasttetira i rilY occurred, It co'ng seitices bora liti l ht : m. r iA 9 vrif, ; • _,pdhstry' to inflict that4lbslti operate stirnewhaf In Mr flu( " or t 41 *lrk ntvi steamy, Otate:thelgrttilisi Chary. sheikh! not he coati crime.. They ought not to beiges dared as lOr fi4`mic's:44i Isifilpst4 on !end ..- soon effaced as tleitOh they had ass 314111,c1S:13,napij br, Still less ought they, to ioalte egaissC bisliiiblilesttimeett so itstict that because he had formerly deserved welitigliii,i,wheit . the'clairstlen of Livid country, he shokld. now be .pupislieil ,w , orsot :li thop entice their ilinild'eritiollt o . • ..d• • . . . 'mo- .now advert to whist the had 'meld with retpeit and chndoor way greatly 1 The tar,convey by the i.zpi rjuid had spoken of the WI FA to I did not belong to it ;' 4 'Ole, Ime in a legal polo 6 41: 1 that i the eye of the -had ', cr' ,bot as a misde kke* .1 same heavy pt P ; Abg, . was th e tent 0;h1. tr. Lord bed state see. vi likk• had been ritist t wh' Iso had his: AM i f rld 1, opinil ' it: The_ o , htnit !coo*" . e stii4,lf wa !he , fill :- , pr(to 43-Oie Mt'. i lanti• .1410 1 1 k :rig it to certain, lied: :-... beta the • ing thtretate of the c ittrii: ' Buttlitt)'was - certain , to the insiOCoitCP of the Nobler Lord whid,'sonio atest•ho 'Opposed' as COuntitt. tor the C;owatltipettf i i Mem b ers-haho formed * *Ott •a 'irrigeding eienteg . ..--lid . ! he shoed** *hat tad Goveiwineat 'or titalkdiatZ 4 trew well die .'sa nd en r and .' gd nt !enmity Iona( inlatrateith t 6 le O'i it h ttiat trial..." - '.-it lathe'', .... inittitp*, ilailiktigia to that Ltiatitid` , and tionourithiii 4 ar itrOatifMNOWe ' l 4 l lof tioir,Crow n vlo.* the Gentleman, ip fie• could not help thinking • thatpresent It iippeirig 'new, notirithitatrati he (Sir Fa:ancis Unidett.) had some reason to complain i n; the siiseinf of the Noble _ Lard , he•hed tiotit* • _ ttreetioini for . . ._. _ . of the coarse h e h a d • adopted that es,elliPit , ,, • kit-Ai st) , ‘ol.hisrbrhst with his owe mouth" ,Itethitti:, et`i . .n . . lo resume, that limes wtos a nidiberafe Se. was disposed `to regard him ! with; ever) , sort Or iri. ;iveard it . reid to him . The Judge*, uotweltlistaniiitig putonaobe .Co it-its. that,ifouse.• Tite•tuViress now spect, but still, gs Soliiter.Qenerali , ie tist"ldiVot: the rule, - wttntrifiiitrillawql Jo. thee me us, Ju .ptbOtteefhiohisl . 4oPettrehleirrientl appeared there. ' rtierd him exactly in.tbe'siiMe light - es any 'enter Dr.: Many others , . a vrew teief;.'icjint...sorprisw or mistake - funrttilumiaulartussey guide *ofliviwg this COMlrittil 't &ipendent d Memiter of the RiNibe, because, • fronritepaid have ben proved sollera:Apppetved ; but thige itigiglative iikklonil,,te Ate exclusion of Me other' ' ;itiaxery situation, he could not be wholly free.frono.ellis nothlit of that' Sort.hoce . 1310:76Cffiisint. Ho'afe,, On this grosinhe would oppose the motiovq . 4 9lttltt or inclitiation to Support the Measures .of, Ad.,; believed Lord Cnelfrine innettent, beceuewhis sot). tbsnalt from no. ppriimilitr . hostility to the objeettdt' 4 • asimstretion. He sat in that House in some measure, piton; and advocates had nift‘appeaved tw rontrediht ! t auddtess. ... '. .. 'Ps a ;j u d ge ; but he had i ndulg ed hirnielf in . tiVitil . ltira. .: Aleel •• +her' mittftht'were ..svpitikl., * : 'bie.iiii. , Nil l'i FANEY apprehended that 4s the geent•di -. •. . , gebbince into ,wisich the Rosie 'bad novipportit El d '"Lutdsltipilioitt, if.l4pieesetl, easeel them. • Hittci etsions bad been stopped for live or sit years.crast,'' enquiring. lille , ..affirmed. that -toed 'Cochiane's fence had *tn(tu, "t. by: keeat owl blind -ii‘ must. have accumulated considerably ift• lite '1 1 cilkvas' the; ‘,. , r , , . . stotement, as delivered before 4lept . waelts.:lo : they viers 'ltot:.sa re: r w stnesses, beccpset correct, and' eetpciaLly that paid etit_voilt‘eciagett ed not. if thartliteillgvantv couldA4ca that he (Lord- C.), conscious of-Me leWocessitte. had . .4 the atfidliVit - of"tfie SOW I,ord 2 { Where - was used no endeavours to prepare foi his defeuce He adaneate .- arfit; could have bbits stupid enough to hesi. (Sir F. Berdeft)"bid always considertillf the. Noble fate to priWcik**.tWetili - ' Wiivlillii not' tame ruined Lord as going Into Court as preledged Isathei hititutelf by such an omission ? •He was glad that the mind of every than, from what had tranapieedliret. — • period hid afriii.d when the trial Could ire read at viossly to the trial ; even bis.ConnSel see Med toleephsogth, and thus do away thit:tsffeet of those impir. ender the influence of the same feeliog, es they eel feet statements which misled do- peitlii:"smied.— Sektily did not defend him with that ability, • whiclis 4 jlskthe Honourable Bayopet thought the Noble Lord they might 'have exerted . . Their defehde was on.dleeeneet. Perhaps :tie Berg Ager was issnocilett Aliso. doubtedly net so powertet as"that employee]. bythelTetkept there had hern.uo,,fvau4 eethatitted ktbs,stelh .Noble Lard himself when be looted for a tfewittiel:tissa teirelS . f a (it'siertsataht plo r i ice hietde:w.nxti in. if they might jodg e from the e f f ect , prodeeed 'by it ell': ho'ciststilial, ent<bi tistritty, sl WliftWfite.serjilii- Ike public 'Mod- ' With.cestw4.llontleter.htlefi which 7poitint nor 'very foirdidelo.-Lir'VfairthlLLElM Lord Cochrane - affirmed he hid.tetolisti,, and, which,i.Conheasse, ii.appeisredi wessersitsoneent IhilYthe'rel-' Uwe* hoer stated he . had. nil h' I rant te.l.)T, , dignified. br,fris mere isppeatessee. 4ait) did notlicositivity'kiiiiw 'the p di . Not, whaand,pisitette beresonsideredeeck.a. .had . read the brief ;' ISui -he' cot ad bellia tidr--teci to low down cl l.! bead witti.h.tmiti!i- *Piktit he so , and yet. that he was igeorsttd - V.ltt writa' r eoifets he eiteeitsed asihoeoar : - .contents. lie,. who ,bievr , the . Ns at' Lord heivntiseit plh& of fiirlskritiii Intl butt ao dosillt tktft,,:ist the ante he. was :. Akeistgemisst, leaded - er - detireint'' ifieltriet ,114 t. heed' Was dresses/rig or . ;cheating WriddsseAt ise eageeiwistleits it, bee ;the plans • which eritinicesa his - ettenti, It ,Oeltessgstes, of. Wesheries‘er shad tlia "eulijoci f -'•-[Leoghtec.)--He Weald state, P r e""! . • • If Pird.goe). l .M.l l Csriss. Wisp why he thoi Jiro . ght so: the copy ' (Beresiger, was alsiiin hohov , stated that De Bereuger wore - a ssektititel 'his dialed hiedlldrifes . es 1 tali Ida affidavit had delayed thet.*.ttuegestgt, Me: Ceettrafte'sYblitshata Aft * coati 'end it was impossibie, if his invid - 40, tattoo's:lily-hot eohnectbstv had tfeisti feet upon the matter of the brief, that Ale ; his gad De &reser:v. The irsensed illewhd. such a coutradi j ci,ion to reenthq.. 7 cfnu,sted eq trtltadvitette.whlch• keowo, also, that briefi aid' ill Teler bistro I reaped frees the fraud t hy which were drawn up in sivitstql manner l - W:persons tt . oft Os/late rein ' kW IfFcrefl a, testing a much more penetrating misil. than aey . After a eohslieiation oe rift F. Burdett) did, had often signed: such instrument/ vircemstaocet, it was irritiossibletO heiferirth* Lord without knowing what their nature was, except so -corhielfte .wee!.,inuoceet, •and he. trusted that the far as they received an account from the :atm.:des country°, lii..sft94 eijtil Prjedices, !Asp- hastili l'ised , lN employed. Another lien. Member herd said Lord kfd issbsillet l / 4 ,11004.-"Ck"l"%frdg! that , the .(;rand, CoChrane had given an erroneous account, in saying Jeiji. hid aohe its,d ! t 7 i n 6t the bill, the Try that the Judge made an unfair charge to the Jury, in ing Airy in theit verdict, and that the:Judges Held declaring that De Berenger appeared bPfore4dtu in .duite lheir duty in inflicting thai''seritence whit* his setae coat, star, ribbon, !tcti because it now op. , Lord Cochlratie himself allowed net to be - too a. peered, from another account of the trial, that a very veto, on the suppositioa that.he was gatity.aVE . ... important word was introduced, the word "if;" he Mr. WitOTTEsigY sack the ATTORNEY. luiew, indeed : that if 4 C was a great peace;makeir . , GESCRAL captained. titiv.hatei tirbbibly sherpetteld the appetite of , dairnirtis.. trit!rou f to glee away= , . • number of rim:shiner? , gra'nts; and; to HA . he was indoced to ascribe the - the;'Nuhle "Lord's opposition to the motion. lie : riiicit(ed the idea.of the flouse of lords'becoming wialh, 'because an address of the .Commons put. A - " temporary stop to the practice of granting reversions. : 1 But ir there was any disposition •to wrath on •thelc*". pact; surely the Noble Lord";•*itit his paiific -talents; I might contrive .to keep the peace between the twO/qt Houses at.least 'almost Session- , ' . 1 kfr:•BANkfiSeofitenderi that thew was no hopfr+ Let taltimenx other Imo ling by an address, to carry ' 'into elteZtifiereefite4.vete of the House agoinst re." 4 • ;Irstoni, .ea the lestioqmould probably close in the ilibrse cif,. fiso.or - n ,sip,, days. - There was' totisittg hissimi in . illdreams Of this kind, and he appre- • Ed - there we% .14itlif danger of • any breech. of • • ..• 'moony between the two llPusei. It must he re. effected that : the motagant4lie House let this subject ;iii or. thOrill!litiv, . tt*pmi t ment.they restored to the . • !:„thii . Swor of imfOtieg• reversions, against wilick S. inafitunanimcim•yotes of. the Ceuunotis hid ' • Iwo pgsted.:. " - ~.-1- . 1 •(;• *%... 1 .. -,!-• • • , li t tird CASTLER.4OII.-wflited to suggest..te• hie • i Fri * end kWh.; flanker) tt*Psbe Bill .rejeetfd by vii t orWr . dj Awns :prventive of the.grant• ef rieetsions 40. 'IWO . .years l' but another-iiii IA?! one - yoar'srcits.. -7: tibti ertgikt.ififlpestOtag ' and be sent IT to •tbe•lards this Sessiew#t. o "-' i:. •• 4 ! - . Sir •C. BURlti . itliiii .. ,-...,• • . ' Sewn. ••.., . . • • A Tholloaso thee A T . . fg.1.1 ~ ! ' . 1 0 01466 ' was lost; - -- - ' - '''''' e . af!... • r -•',;." 4. ":.. .:, •• . ,- Noe. 51, : i. 41044-140.4., IL • • , ''On our "re-entering 'the Gail4Yi ..wo-lhand the . , tionse in a Committee ,Oti . th e. . Pr . ,l*ss of Wales's .4ttristuity Bill: " •.,••• i° • • • -;,--- ' '-- A good deal of dioleitsi.on,took;,place on the re. . . •. . . . ;Mich .. • cital prefized , to eeveral...of the 'clauses, result , (hi which ''' stc Ttrittlfit—' m•ur " ` . l . ''' 01 ,-. v ' **fed,. that .they. soetr4rl io. , intinuate that since the fliitnily arrangement of, 1809 the : Prioress of Wales had eiceeded her inco me, and that this Increase was granted in consequence. This, however, was abso. ;it Eiiir.s3 9, Vis I 9 be' 4 lib tordLtholein. WhiLke4 ilaillitiTptioilhinent . 'sfilo '6 itlinti 1.404 64 - ittar . ' win it 'wen; i t tlie., pilloty-Vasle : keitryseemtitines resevet... no 0 . , a spree !PIO' -.grace, let a re," .fa , thft.wp,p(p4l it with their nt, thee 'De ( 1 CAtaiii 'IWO fet. hells& hi wititti . *!tiast IS ?NY boa. .. me kiro:o k , ma* innocestt, /*it/ 04 hti.e : proved between his 'lt was Gentlemen tben cg rumenti Lord.i.kkehrano hod ins p os . he hattiat - Only put he (Sir large own firiiiisey t Lord CASill.fißEAGJl•.oppeoied thetinoßim oti't• tlke ri tcumd t .thl4 Crpir"tio ; iiiiketiow which the . Re. Lerfis; thtth wits :1 .. , .; I