The Statesman. — London, England, 1821-06-14 00:00:00

r commniras OF SUPPLY. ~ t~~. af • Or • .... , -. ,- The But India Sugar Bill was teed, ani the Report ordered to be received to-aierrim. The Custom Duties Rill went tbrsegh Cie tame stages. The Woollen Duties Bill was read a third time.— L'pon the question that it do pass, Jiii.-MALIBIO said, that it ieu nuke* to offer any eppeelties to the BBL with aline to its improvement, at its 'pendent ilvoicei fie. He had however ta. .romplohs, that %r its proilatins;llle Otter Bills that bad lately lisiieleterednetki, other object wood be: 'maimed than these whigh it professed. He 'honk!' . vote ageiest the passing of the Bill. Mr. L L USIIIINGTON was certain, that if the Ron. .11ettiber bad examiud the Act, and also emseittred the other existing Acts upon the subject, be would not have come to the conclusion which be had ea- Prsesoi. • • 30- COFFIN suede an sliest watiao in favour of the Bill. Alter a few words ArMa,Mr. H. Davis. Mr. P. Lewis, sad Mr. Pearce. Mr. T. WILSON said, that be considered the 11111111• sum to have the object of making an experiment upon the exportation of sheep with lug wool to the Weet. Dies, for the purpose of trying whether they "meld Main their wool, or whether it would be succeeded by hair. dlr. CALCRAPT objected to the 811. He consi. .dered that it was to the advantage of this country to retain possession of the article of lug wool exclu tiely. A Menses, whose name we could not ascertain, re commended that the ani 4 bould be postponed for a abort period. Mr. LUSHINOTON .impunted to postpone the paqking of the Bill until to-morrow. Mr. 01.71113 moved for returns of Duties for Consul age, Sm. paid by British ships in the ports of tbd Bfot• zits in the last Ave years; also for particulars of a seat of 21,0001. Irish currency, granted to the Board in Ireland, and fur returns of the names etri ions employed by that Board; also for a return shim 'banns of certain persons employed in the Irish Backe the names and sale iu the last year.— ild Burgh we understood) present- I Huntsley against the ) be printed. was road a third time ISITIA POST BILL. to call the attention of the Hoeft contended first against the practlea arrangements which were in contest. aware that in summer and •a geed might be performed by good . horses. ' compelled the same exertions is . seasons by day sod by night. ifr measure, upon the ground that it. )tags to one class of individuals, doing injury to another. It wen* delivery, and thereby, destroy that • Post-olEce possessed for the rem —laity and fairness with which letters were at present delivered. The mercantile interest ia large towns and 'cities would be ittiabled to gain intelligence before the agriculturists, and consequently to deal with them upon an unfair advantage. He was aware that It wee a favourite defence of the measure with the Right He• nourable the Chancellor of the Exchnuer to say the It was only an experiment. He (Mr. Warne) was aft. aver's' from having the experiment tried, provided the Hone "paid first go into an inquiry upon the guide*, Ile Aland therefore move, " That a Select Catmint* 'be appointed to inquire into the correspondence hal - other papers relative to the Extra Post Bill." A Msstssa, whose name we could not escorts's ~ seconded the motion. Mr. PHILLIPS was in favour of the Bill, and thought that the objections of the Hon. Gentians@ 'were not well founded. At the same time he could ate no reason why the inquiry proposed should not be acceded to. Dr. LUSHINOTON had no objection to the ap• pointeent of the Com Mee. After a few words from Lord A. Hamilton and the tbaorellor of the Exchequer, the Motion was agreed to, and the Committee appointed. Oeneral HART said, that in consequence of his Right Hon. Friend the Chancellor of the Exchequer •havint promised to direct his attention to the subject of allowing the use of small stills in Ireland, he should withdraw his notice of a motion relating to it.—Notice withdrawn. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER mowed Ake Oilier of the Day for the Honse ping into a Coin 'natio of Sepply. Mr. CURWIN woo take Ibis opportanity of ask ing-the Right Hon. Gentleman a question relating to a subject which he bad mentioned some time ago. It .appmaroil that i grant had been made to Mr. ItiAdani .tar movie's rendered to the Government. and he was . not swore that the Grant bad ever bees submitted to - .Paritament. or reported I. the 'papers laid before the -Hew. He miseeived that no grant of public money could be properly made without the previous consent of.Parifseant. • • fl CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER replied le a Sew tone of yoke which was 'mandible in the Oaf . ler,. -WO understood him to say. that the confidence it . reposed in Ministers by the Hem. enabled them to ambegtents like the one in question. Me. GRENFELL wished to ask his Hon. Friend (Mr. Irring)whether he intended to press hie motion for granting the claims of General Deefoureees, and whet' be should again bring it before . the' Howe. He was anxious to know. because he had examined the came. see he bad never met with soy claims upon the Vieeernamstuf es unjust or unfounded a assure. /lit. HIVING complehted el the pnemature &dein which his. Aim Friend haig epee, this jasmine, Sad owed it to be hie lateadee et 440ei the !bhp!! .. lpfeere the limo aids Fiblay.iest. MUM d set earner that the Wields' of ' 4 4hetlee Oesthetieed ring lbst MIR eMisfeeterUp * 4ll a1im“ 046 . 871107. et Chimes wee again to one es there-woe sue el he linthen r , 111 r. WARRIC rose to tiffs PIN. H. coot • hility of tho sow arra go was awi ►aid did distance mil ' Bat thott At contract o inter odd at all sea► twat kliostod to the u trai epee advant IX the pp m* of dohs cteato as stair deli . clurfictor which the P .11 ..6 17.nignrad ia 1 ala• Hi • 10! Mix itsitAiman 4•• MAW se keety , ateteete the Doke We the Ism; a Department ; alai for rata:nail the names and sal , rieb of Polies Olken employed in the last year.- 'These uterus Irgre all ordered. Lord A. HAMILTON give notice. that he ghoul `to-hterrow present the deport of the Scotch Burg . dTRJCKLAID (as we understood) primes 4 14 s from Leeds and Huntslsy against tl efßill.—Ordered to be printed. ' lb of Incbsage Bill was read a third tie ItirriA POET BILL_ _ '0 • e • . • . V" • ~. . . • L: . r • • •:, The CIIA the EXCEISQUER •std, the gr.nt to Mr. St Adqrrt woeW he, found io With respect to his it qat Highness the Duke of (*Tepees allowance, it was not his 'mealiest to bring it forward .tbat.der in consequence of the absence of Isis Noble. Friend (the. Marquess of Loodovederre.) Mr. Hum understood that one of ;thefts; .Coni missioners of Excise in Scotland was recently dearl.— He wished to know whether the Right Hoc, Oen*. mates plans of economy would include the filling ulSof that office. Many intelligent men were of opleimt that three ComMissiotiers were quite sufficient. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER stated that there was no intention of dicuittishing thessumber of Commissioner. Lord 'MILTON wished to call the attention of the Right Hon. Gentleman to the Spoiled *tamp Act. He aadosatoed that it was 'backdated altogether fur the present Session. Now althengh the Right Hon. Gentlemen could not carry that part of his Bill which went to impose new duties, yet it contained re roadies for some abuses, and the remedial part ought certainly not to be abandoned. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER that it wity not the intention of Government to rest the Bill this Session, but to introduce a Iwo* .general measure in the nest. Mr. BAKING reverted to the subject of Mr. Nl‘Ailant. No person was more sensible than be of the merits of that Gentleman, and of the service he had deue to the country. But he considered the making him such a grant from the Civil Contingencies to be a gross usis appreheission of the powers of Government. Mr. Hume said that the sum did not appear to be paid out.of the Civil Contingencies, but from the Pest L/Sce Revenue. The House then went into the Committee. MISCELLANEOUS ESTIMAT*S. Mr. ARBUTHNOT moved a Resolution for grant. ing a sum of 40,000/. for the repairs of public build. ings.—Agreed to. Also a Resolution for the sum of 54,000 . to the Lord Chamberlain of his Majesty's Household for ex. traordinary expenses, fac.—Agreed to. A sum of 75,0001. was then moved for carrying into effect a Treaty between the English and Portu guese Governments for abolishing the Slave Trade. After a few words from Mr. Huts and Mr. An ouraNux, the Litter of whom stated that this, in all probability, would be the last vote on the subject, Mt. WA KRE observed. that there appeared a disin &illation on the part of the Portuguese Goverouieut to carry the Treaty into effect. The Resolution was then agreed to. Mr. ARBUTHNOT then moved fora sum of 18,7001. for incidental expenses attending the execu tion of the Treaty between Spain, Pertegal, and Egg land, for putting au end to the Slave Trade. Mr. BERNAL said the Slave Trade still existed as much as it did before the Treaty in question. The erection of Forts, and the nomination of Uommlssionersl lad produced no good result; and the Sian Ws& rst Portugal was as unlimited as ever. It foilowbd that' all our 'unions and all oar pecuniary sacrifices had been of no avail. He did not object to the vote; he believed the Noble Lord who bad interfered on the subject had done all in his power; but he dumb' assoietiting farther ought to be attempted, is order to put an end to this diabolical traffic. Mr. WARRE thought the Commissioners bad not Wed with sufficient energy. The stretch who had plotted the murder of the boat's crew of the Thistle bad bun suffered to escape, although he came within the jurisdiction of the Commission. He bogged to ask whether any further instructions on this subject had 'been forwarded to Sir George Collier, who bad himself complained of the escape of this man. Sir GEORGE COCKBURN said, there were many difficulties in the way of preventing this traffic, as our power of search was often abridged by a slave ves sel hoisting a French or an American lag. It was probable that Ministers would introduce a Bill on the subject, to enlarge the power of our Naval Officerr. Mr. IVARRE explained. Sir ISAAC COFFIN said, that nothing short of a Declaration of War against every power concerned in the trade would put an end to it. Mr. BERNAL said he feared neither France ner America would concede the right of search, without which he admitted nothing effectual could be dote. Sir UEORGE COCKBURN explaiaed. Mr. SMYTHE bore testimony to the exertions of his Majesty's Boverument to put an end to the tralic. Dar ing the war we exercised the right of search, but that was of course abandoned on the conclusles if peace. Mr. WARRE wished to know what answer bad ben returned by the Court of Rio Juliano to a letter' Um the Noble Marquess (Goadooderry), relative to the par tinder rale of the vessel San Salvador. Mr. ARBUTHNOT, in the cheeses of his Noble Friend, was not enabled to give an answer upon the, subject. He would make inquiry oa the subject. Mr. F. BUXTON said, be Small thot-intim Hill about to he introduce.] a eampeasadoo would he pro vided for the gallant persons who had alerted them.' selves to put an end to the trade. Mr. ARBUTHNOT said sods a provisima would be one of the objects of the Bill. HIM& said that without the switearrenee of FrAnce and America no effectual progress (weld be made towards the abolition of the trade. The Resolution was then agreed to. Mr. ARBUTHNOT then stored two stuns, one of 9,f11111/. for prosecutions relating to tbeCoin, and another of 10,000/. for Law Charges. The first was agreed to, bat esi petting the seated, Mr. RC= wished to know what those charges were fur ? Mr. ARBUTHNOT said, they were for promotions s l imiest Mr. Hone, Thistiewood, Mr. Haat, Sir P. !Bar den, and others. Mr. WARRE oldectid to the *gather el Omani est. played on Excise prosecutions. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCIIIQUER meld the eases on those oecasioss were very ekes et great legal nicety, and were eery intricate In detail. Sir J. NEWPORT Milted to Meow whether the lee beers of the Constitatimed Ammiadoa amid at all di minish the expellees of &Ile aiumnelptiors ? He WI aloof* sh.ught the legal Me mit the thews were :s e c par es and nepeasible pereese to Insti=l psi& . The CHANEELLOX of as 113WIMIVIIIRcull as royal veto bed nothisi he As *kb the Atteallth, Mr. HUME said, that if the Aliteturp_ sttti Canned meld set hewed she Wig el Yoe erg might nee is lot paid the bee. The late Sealer ihe b i ebe a pr!acaly tartans, a far a roma on the nctil !c Mr. ARBLITHNOT said, that Mr. Litehfield, the Chtetiessan iWlrltelltioll, INIPIIIIIII in the pabileuertier for 99 yeurs, He had no fortune but his ..11owancellie had bees at the mar preeloiss to his enteriug upon the situation. The Revelation we then agreed to. A stun of 10,01111/:" was Meted for the Salaries of the Officers of the ran Massa of Perliatutoot. 90,000/. was thins voted for the maistesance of Convicts, end 190,900/. was moved for aasweriag Bias drawn or to be drawn from New South 'Wales. Par JOHN NEWPORT observed, that much eaution'oeght to be observed is granting mosey to provide for Rills not yet drawn. The public had often suffered from this practice in tontequence of individual failures. The CHANCELLOR of. th e -EXCHEQUER said a practice had now been adopted which removed the b a v i g er. Mr. HUME raid, that had his Hon. Friend the Member for Shrewsbury (Mr. Rennet) been present, he would divide the Committee on the whole of the vote, he was so satisfied of the uselessness of New South Wales, as a place of punishment fur convicts. He (Mr. H.) wicked to know why a sum of 30001. was charged for printing. An estimate ought to haw bees made of all the charges. Mr. ARBUTHNOT said, that ell the sums should be distinctly brought under an estimate in the next year. The charge fur printing was an old account which could come under uo other head than that of Civil Contingencies. This Resolution was then agreed to. Mr. ARBUTHNOT then moved a vote for 61,000/. for deficiencies in tbe Fee Fend of the Department of the Secretary of State. Mr. HUME said lie thought this was a very ob jectionable mode of bringing forward the account. A separate rot: should be taken fur the whole esta blishment, and credit should then be given fur the Fees received. The expenses of the Department had increased threefold since the year 1796. The officers, he admitted, were valuable, but we might buy gold too dear.—(A laugh.) Five thousand pounds were charged here also for retired allowances. It was his intention to whoosh a motion to the House, for bring ing allowances of this description under one general bead. He observed an extraordinary grant of 1000/. a-year to Robert Ward, Esq. He should like to know the net amount of all the allowances of this Honourable Member. He thought they were too much ; but at all events they were not brought under view of the House in a proper shape. He thought also, that the awoant of salary to the Secre tary, and also to Mr. Harrison, were much higher titan they used be. Mr. ARBUTHNOT defended the amount of the salary given to the Secretary of the Treasury. In 1600, it was fixed at 40001. clear of all allowances. "I he Ike. Gentleman bad not made many remarks with eespect to himself; be should therefore contest himself with saying. that the circumstance of his being employed in his "resent capacity had caused a re viag to the public of 20001. a-year, the allowance he *IS entitled to, In coftsequence of his former em ployment in the diplomatic line, which ceased when he accepted his present employment. With respect to Mr. Mattison, the Solicitor of the Treasury, he as sured the House that he was, iu the opinion of all those who had ao opportunity of estimating his merits, one of the most valuable officers attached to the polo. lk service. He bad been chosen by Mr. Pitt. com mended by Lord Grenville, rewarded by Mr. Perceval, and was highly respected by all the Members of his Majesty's Government at present. He had suffered so much in health from his arduous attention to business, that he feared they would not much longer have the km& of his services. He trusted be might be mis taken on this point ; but, if any thing should happen to deprive them of kis services, it was the intention of his Majesty's Government very much to lessen the sa lary attached to the office. With reference to the Honourable Gentleman's comparison between the ex peaditure of 1796 and at present for the Treasury. the whole amount for salaries. &e. in that year was 20,0001., it was now double that amount. But the increase of business, as well as the high price of ne ceasefire, were to be borne in mind. In 1796 the number of registered papers was 4,500 only ; for the present year-there were 20,000, independent of vole u►inous correspondence on various subjects. not regis term!. This was chielly owing to the practice of other departments of the State consulting the Treasury on almost all the measures adopted by them. 1 -The supervision exercised by that House over every branch of the public service was such as rendered every other depar:ment anxious to have the sanction of the first department in the Government to all they did. He assured the Honourable Member, that (io-i vernment were at that moment employed in making a revision of the whok of the public departments, with a view to economy. Sir I. COFFIN observed. that theme was no one more completely worn out in the public service. sad none more deserving of public estimation, thaa Mr. Harrison. After a few words from Mr. Eloct.suitx, Sir E. KNATCUBULL, the CIIANCILLLoR of the EZCIIRQUI&A, and Lord MILTON, the vote was agreed to. On a rote of 15.000/. fur Foreign and other Se cret services being proposed, Mr. HUME observed, that be was extremely jealous about Secret Service Money, lie knew of several disreputable characters who received money from . ftoverement, and as he knew sot from what find they could receive it but this, if one shilling of this grant were to go to the Home Secretary, he should object to it. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that sot a farthing of the Secret Service Money ever was directly or indirectly disposed of in the maser hinted by the Honourable tieniiimaa (Mr. Ht me.) Tbe Vast was thea agreed to. Mr. 611BUTHNOT proposed a vote of MOW to defray the extraordinary expenses of the bliss. Sir J. NEWPORT took that opportaalty tr me it It was the tantatioa of Unmeant to rams the oseasge of guineas. Mr. W. POLS stated, that meonling to the awl Proclamation the Mist was **Jr dialhisd, at pandeeit nil oda oovenigas sad. half terromigne bet M Ind an hesitation is sayiog that he believed it was so iambi ft resew the comae of vim.. . 0 111.1 .1 • . ; • . . I )'tz i :/f . s le proposing the sum is 1. fur the of pablic papers. Priaji t Mr. ARBUTHNOT observed, that in consideretiad of the large sum niiich this service annually mimed, it was in the cmtemplation of Government ta appoint in the emitting year, a Committee for the Ist pose of considering the practicability of lessesieg Ik e expenses ou this head. Mr. HUME wits coasrieced that a savieq v e( se re cent. might be erected both in the Statietsee, Ptinting Departments. Si r J. NEWPORT thought that opt. coin • • ought to exist in the supply of stationery. Mr. C. GRANT stated, that certain monepelha is these cases had been granted some years ago, sad th e Law Officers of the Cron n had been consulted as t j the possibility of rescinding them, bat witheet effest. After a few north from Sir J. NEWPollt and w r. AagwrimOT, the vote was agreed to. On the grant of 22,4441. being proposed to defray the expenses of the Colony of Sierra Leone, Mr. BERNAL complained that; the advantage s d e . rived from that Velour were inadequate to the " penses incurred by this country in maintainiag it. Mr. OOULBURN explaineii, that there hod bee s an increase of expenditure for the service of d at c o . luny last sear, in consequence of Greenm ai l b e e n . obliged to provide for the building of "i ts ,* baii : Botts, the absence of which wax represeated is be t h e causes of all the sickness unfortunately ea 'mom in that part of our dominions. With newt t a the advantages to be derived from this Col o ny, a p ea extension of commerce bail already taken place thmegi i the means of its establishment, and the moist and is. telicstual improvement of its siatias, amply repaid s a that had been expended on it. This, and the other items of the Estimates owe then agreed to without further disrossioo : and the House having resumed, the Report was received, and ordered to be taken into consideration tomertew. A new writ was ordered fir Carmmbea, l the room of the Hon. J. F. Campbell, now Lunt C ur d s ,. The Yorkshire Polls Bill went through a Cosassiute of the whole House ; the Report was received fifth. n kb, and ordtred to be taken iuto further consideta. tion on Monday uext. On the motion of the ensstczwin of the Bum QULR, the other orders of the day were then rood. BANK OF IRELAND BIT.L. On the 'notion that the House go into a Counoitto on this Bill, Sir J. NEWPORT said, that it was Isis wish to one that it be an instruction to the Committee to tweak by a claim that Roman Catholics should be elipW to held the office of Governor or Director to the AA of Ireland. It was merely to place the inatteriwymi doubt that he wished for such a clause, as it was a matter on which much difference of °pipit* existed anion; legal men. He hoped, therefore, the Chas cellist of the Exchequer would uot oppose him. The CHANCELLOR of the RXCHICQUKR said. that he should feel it his duty to object to the elaase of the Honourable Baronet, because be amid it unnecessary, as a Rotodu Catholic might Imam eli gible by cadoeming to the provisions, of the Act of 1793 en this sulsiect. Ho thought there add he no doubt on this matter, as there was high legal an thoeity to that effect. Mir J. NEWPORT end the CAM/MELLOR of the Ex custota tuntstally explained. Mr. ORENFELL complained that the Clow:eller of die Exchequer should eyrie* the idmiesion of the class*, at the same time that he acknowledged the right it went to enact. Sir J. NEWPORT then moved, that it he an iota lion to the Committee to introdecea clans* to provide for the eligibility of Ronne Catholics to held the si tuation of (lovernor or Director, or any other Ace of hist and profit in the Bank of Ireland, uy by law. to the contrary. The House then divided—For the metion, 13— Against it, 35--Majority, 22. Upon our re-admission into the gallery, we feud Mr. BRIGHT calling the attention of the Hesse I. the Impolicy of this Hill, and objected en Its belt; read a second time. It went to force every packet boat, from a Margate hoy to a Leith mask, to take out a license for selling spirits, whilst it endowed et c is. otbcers with unlimited power to harass. He novel as an amendment, that the Bill shonW be read a or rood time on that day six months. Mr. LUSHIMITON defended the Bill as a memo* of regulation, and as necessary to inalataln the frisk Excise system; and in point of fact, to point is masters of steam vessels from rlalt et etediscaties. Sir J. NEWPORT *plumed the Bill, Rail ettotesied that to justify a measure of this kin.o it ought * be clearly proved that some great method sell kid been sustained from the existing law. whisk dommild a remedy. Mr. BERNAL contended that the provisions de* Bill would extend not outy to pock* sailing kw* this country and !reload, but to all the smallerveadl outplayed as coasters. Its operations would Woad to numerous eases to which it was not moot so apply He wished to know if the Chases*/ of do Exche quer bad consulted the Law Olken .f * Crows ea this subject. Sir I. COFFIN thought the operation of the Bill ought to beconfined to vessels navigated by *am The CHANCELLOR of the RECHEQUER said, there would be no objection to limit the opendias e( the Rill to vessels carrying passengers„ whethet tots gated by steam or by sails. After a further rooversatiou between Sir J. XLw PONT, Mr. Husoissox, Mr. /bans, sad Mr. Woui _ The CHANCELLOR of the EEVEN 4IIII4 mr„ that he was willinA, In the Committee, Matter the so as to give every party the option of tithing Alicia!' or not, leaving that to take the sonemptesces of Gent. Bag to do so. Mr. H. BRIGHT aid, they enjoyed that option at present. The House them &Atlas!, when the Dashers wee"' For the second main, 36--For the Atandatela. 14 ...Majority, 21. The Bill was then read a wool time. The Report of the Este rims Private Trail. Hill was brought op, sad ordered so be takes isle forth* .000sitiorntitim am Wider, semi the PR b) be 1 0614 ' The PAM Mit o lle r y da ttroprintiso 114 and 1611 boas e hats SRI. were read a churl u" sad roost The olkor Otero of *attar were disperd the Own stemmed. . TT a.