The Statesman. — London, England, 1821-03-24 00:00:00

Aard is is that an officer who has honourably god ably , served Isis country aboold be deniednateli a situation. - Bet he wouldeay how hard would he his treatment, if he tvere dealt with as they would dead by him being placti in the actuation of Oorernor, and stripped of the right of performine the duties attached to it. The attention of the Privy Council was incessantly called 41 Recksiastical matters—all the appeals from the ('n innies tame there; and how uncerentoitionaly would the - Catholic he treated. when such qnestions were hroityitt forward, if :11r. Buller were nuthorised to tell ,him Cud he must either leave the room, or incur the : penalties of a prterounire. This Bill was intended to ettoci!iate, but vet in his opinion it meta to expose the Catholic to that which would be more grating to his feelings than auy thin; of which he bad to complain under the law as it stood at present. Supposing it to he talieved that the heir apparent to the throne was a Catholic, awl that on that account it should he thought oereasary to remove bini from the rticcession, he svaa t .:l rift could it lw barn.. that ;.Catli , iic Privy Conti rtl s!..naltl it at the board to such a qiiestion When they heard it astseti, of what importance was the (oleo "ion of a few Catholics into the !louse, it seemed to he forgotten that twenty-four members inieht proaince a most important effect, and carry questions of the go &test cousequence. That the Catholics woold he dis posed to use it for the advancement of the I:atholic Re- Fgiou t Quit' not be doubted. But it was said, there was a inconsistency in coneedina the elective frail ( Iti..te to the Catholic, and yet denying him the right o f Mint; elected to serve in Parliament. Ile, for his part, (-mild see no inconsistency in this, and was wit Of opi• Riot( that fwesuae much had teen already conceded, a i9eat deal more ought to lee given. 'lie Honourable awl Learned tientlentan opposite ( the Ilonottrahle :d em her fur Bramber), and other distiognished alooltoos o f that Honse, forming a galaxy of great names, lead spoken disparagingly of the course tal;en by Lord Somers at the tiine of the Item oltition, with revert. to the. Catholics. In twenty years he thotieht it not improhable that the taunts now bestowed on Lord Somers would recoil nu oho r by «hoot they were (Merril, and that new advocates fur the Catholics speak of their conduct in language similar to that whk . h they hof applied to his. Ile he r' vt'd the fientlemen opposite meant to go no fur. ther—that they had no intentitot of disturbing the tratestant Fetahlishment, and that it was their desire titat the Irish Church should irmain in Pen ? Ito. Bit is was to he remembered, that there were two parties to the transaction, and they were only sure that one of them would agree to the project now tooter discussion. He would ask the Noble Lord whose diolomatie talents had so greatly served the country, it in any negotiation he taiga:red in, he would proceed to Ids itllimalim without ascertaining the disposition of the other party. ile was sure the Noble Lord st odd answer in the negative. But here he saw no body to represent the Boman Catholic Church, the rope, the Cardinals, and the Ilislinas, and the sup. 1 . titers of the present Bill were eunchiding a treaty Con:aiid and putting the WAX to It ou the one side, t.;.l:r li. was not known that it (t mild be subscribed to tat the other. If it could la,. pl owed t o hi s 5 . 1 1 15 . faction that the Bill would pratlitt e the final settle teent so now!, to he desired, It- then be alis tssed to make large concessions to obtain an ohieet to important ; but he could see nothing of the Lind ion tl.e measure, and he was satit lied not only that the a. wk was not done, but that it (vas only beginning to be done. The llomturable and Learned G en tle. rale then endeavoured to vintlieate the opposers of the Bill from the charge of illiberality, by referring to many celebrated names of old, who entertained a similar sentiment ; and after declaring that the !home wa: , about to throw away by the two Bills before it at the securities which we had hitherto possessed, concluded by repeating it to be his consirtion, that, if the mearaires now under consideration were arrietl, thee would lead to much evil. and for his Bart lie could !tee nothing of finality in them, but only principle of colatnetweinent. Sir .1. :11AClil NTOSH called the attention of the Committee to the consideration of the clatter intmetli. atela before them. This clause (lid not go to admit 4.;.,:itolica hoot Parliament, ot to t h row open to t h em onices which at present they could not fill. Agreeing . to this clause they pledged themselves to nothing of ti.e but rejecting they (dosed the door against Leto illation. lle then commented on various parts nr the preceding speech with animadversions on the ‘e !intuit, of Owe oho were referred to a: having formerly opposed the Catholics, and denied that the preamble of the 11111 mob 'died an historic 11 falsehood, :0, had been stated by Isis Hon. and Learned Friend. He un tended that no inconvenience was to he appre hefaled twin the situation in which Lord Chamberlaius, 1 1 0.1111:': 3, and tiovernora would be plat ed by this Rill. What had been said on the subject of the Privy Coun cil was but a repetition of what had been said over and over again, to throw a cloud over this important DlCaStlte. For the ifvontiistencies, that it was eon tetled were in these Bills, he thought this argument came with an indifferent grace from those that sup ported a jumble of the nio:t anomalous centratlictiona that the most eliimAral legislatiou could produce. The Bilis o ent to remote ten thousand anotnalies, aid leave a few, anti 11.1 these few they acre attacked by the advocates for the 10,010. It was %aid the situations in which the Catholita would be placed by the present Bill would be more ;mating than that in which they stood at this moment. Ile would take the word of the Duke of Norfolk in preference to the Uo wearable and Learned Gentleman, said he it tr.,141 rather be admitted to Parliament and to office tolticr the proposed restrictions, than not at all. It was said a contederation of twenty-five. Catholics might produce a most important effect in that House, hut it seemed to be forgotten that these would immediately be opposed by 615 Protestants the moment it was seen the twenty four Catholics wished to form a Papist's establishment. The question was whether the oath proposed to hr ten dered WbS that which gave as much security as an oath could afford and the Civil Government ought to require, lie contended, that the Catholic swearing to obey the law of the land gave all the security that ought to he demanded, Mr. 00131. BURN thought the danger of admitting Roots Catholics to a share in the legislation, was that arias% which the House ought always to guard. He timed there was a great inconsistency in this swam" Isamonch as it went to require from the Co lima', at whom the State might be jealous, a less %Win oath than that which was imposed on the Pro wlso was not an object of suspicion. A course that seemed opposed to all ordinary legisia great security was amaseded from the in- Ti . • • noxious, . whi l lefi§e *clarity e , wacted flout the object co suspicioa was lindtvl end Dr. PH ILIMOE supported ahe . clause. The Ca tholics it was well known entertained doubts as to time oath against supremacy, and it appeared by various doeumeats that Queer) Elizabeth herself had qualified that oath to accord with their conscience.. The Learned Doctor cited a letter from Dr. Sands to Dr. Parke, also die observations of Bishop Burnett, in support of his opinion. Mr. BECHER said, altle.ugh this subject bad been argued must ably, anti 'enough advatiori to satisfy reasonable pet-mills on the policy of the measure, he was still able to acrennt for the hostility—which many entertained. It was to be attributed to that pre judice which men entertained in favour of the religion in which they hail been brought up. lint allowing! for that ferlint:, could Gentlemen, taking a liberal view of the question, refuse to acknowledge that the Korean Catholic religions was made the groaned upon which it: nisnibeis seers rx ivied Cons the rights and privileges of the Constitotiim—was it reasonable that person. %rho had male England, (speaking in the langoa7e of an Honourable Member) what it is, should be dePriveil of the advantages of that Constitution they bad defended: lie addressed Lint-cif to persons who &mew the Con stitution and the value of its privileges. He was tare be athlres‘el those who would not deprive a portion of their fellow-subjects of those privileges tinder hypo comiriac apprehensions. They would extend the bine ings of the Constitution to all who lived under it [lonian Catholics had evinced a maderele patient disposition, and thereby made good-the language of thei r advocates in that How:e. I k e x pressed a s i nce ' e hope that the House would tell them th e y A v oid be admitted to the benefit of the Constitution. Mr. PEEL rose amidst a call for question, and promised to confine the observations he had to offer to do• simple question, whether the clause should stand part of the Bill ? In taking a limited view of it, he found bia:self bound to state his objection to the clause forthwith, because it would not be fair to urge it at a future stage of the Bill. Ile felt a difficulty in agree ing to this clause to which he wished to call the at teution of the framers of the Bill. 1k did not argue against the principle. 1 lie Bill of Isla proposed to relieve the Boman Catholics, by releasin.j them fmUlli the oath against supremacy. That pmvision was op posed without interfering with the principle of time Pill. 'floe diflieulty he felt arose from a feeling that Ili, clause might operate to the injury of conscienti oils Protestants. The Protestant Lad hitherto requested to take the oath iu .which be abjured all Ecclesiastical authority to be exercised in' this realist by any Foreign Prince or .Potentate. — That part of the oath abjuring foreign influence was coeval with the Protes:ant Establishment, and row a new policy admitted the spiritual power of the Pope. By the provisions of the other Dill, there would he aim unqualified intercourse with the See of Rouse we all points of dilinte. There would be the potter of admitting reseript a and bulls—theme woula be the power ill admitting Bishops. In 179:1, when the Ito man Catholic disabilities were removed, Bishops of the Roman Church were tint pobliclAreeeguised, imbed there was no instance in which tht 'inactions of s were public's. allowed. Dr. O'Reilly was called Primate.. hut the law slid not call him so. Dr. Troy was called Molar Blimp of Debla, but net sr a..r. wiling to law. An Act of Charles the Second ref.., red to Popish Prelates, and denied them titular distiue tion. That was the law, anti they were really to pass an Act of Parliameut which authorised the operation of episcopal functions, with unlimited in tercourse wills the See of Rouse. Bails and Kescripts were to be admitted, and might tort a Protestant. denying the Pupe has any ecclesiastical jurisdiction in the country, feel costscteutions ens that point r There would undoubtedly be much cause of complaint. The Protestant would look to the law which excludes Roman Catholic !Usher, and ecclesiastical spiritual authority. This country established the Kaman Ca thulic religion in Canada in in I, and allotted the exercise of episcopal flint:dons, but they held that it was impossible fur the Pope to exercise his jurisdiction. Intercourse with the Church of Koine was not costal tiered essential to their interest. If the House passed this Bill, it would be necessary to qualify the clause then under consideration. Lord CASTIEIIEA6II did not rise to address more than a few observations to the House. Ile wished only to state his opinion ni the clause, without entering into discussion upon the latter pert of the Bill. 'flee clause then u n der t utesieleratisees cods. Stated what was the nature of the tes: re.poreti by V.:dim:lent. It iu volved a mere question was wbetber the present test was the bust Parliament could obtain. Ile was gra tified to find by time argument of his Right ilonourable Fmiend, that he was not disposed to oppose s t r ongly the next clause, which related to the °all& against Trail. substantiation, which, iu his opinion, pot Protestants as sten as Catholics in a situation to avoid doing vie- Itlee to their own • cousciesces. a Catholic could not conscientiously take the oath accorikitig to Igo, it was limier he should take it in Si modified forai. The question was then, whether the moilifica tiott to the oath was a proper modification ? The law required persons taking the oath to bare no mental reservation, and if Catholics took the Oath of :`itifire iiiitcy, modified so as to isitearc with their conscience, time test was binding. lie knew that many Catholics took the Oath of Allegiance in the forums adopted by the Members of that !loose. At the late election a number of Roman Cathoiis s suted after isavieig taken the oath, but the terms whii.ie were used ist it was a violence to their conscience. 1a man who took the oath of supremacy should b..re a doubtful isuprevlon upon his mind. Tile Noble Lord then answered the statement of his Right Honourable Friend respecting Canada, and observed that the objection to Catholic Bishops was a mete bug hear, funneled upon the bad government of Canada. Catholics in no country had submitted to lay authority, and if the oath proposed in this bill relieved their conscience, the House would do right to agree to it. Ile was of opinion that the slightest diculty did not arise. The Noble Lord concluded a very able and argumentative speech by expressing a hope the Rill would lead to association of Catholics with Protestants. Ile was convinced that nothing would tend more to restore harmony and good understanding between Catholics and Protestants than bringing mutual prejudices in conflict. The result would produce a caution frost alarm, and ultimately they would be one people. Mr. Pant. and Sir J. Macatsmoen captained. Sir. J. NEWPORT rose. a but the cries of " Ques tion," became so general, that the Right Honourable Baronet sat down, and strangers were ordered to withdraw. The Committee then divided upon the first clause, For the Clause Against it • • . 216 Majority l4 Mr. BANKES gave notice that when the Com mittee came to a ce►•tain clause he should move an amendment, excluding Catholics from holding seats in Parliament. The CHAIRMAN then reported progress, and obtain• ed leave to sit again on Monday. The other Orders of the Day were disposed uf, and the Mose atljourned at half past one o'clock. __— PRICE OF STOCKS THIS DAY AT ONE O'CLOCK. Wink Stock India Stock 3 per Cent. Red. slint. Ditto Bonds 33%. pin. 3per Cent. Con. ioili Routh-Sea Stork :M per Cent. shut Ex Rills VI. Is. 23. (VIE. t per Chits. Phut. (Minium for Money pm A per Ct. Navy 105;7,1 Rank for Account A per Cent. India for oitto I.ong Ann. Phut Con. for Acct 7O 711 mil Imp. 3 per cent. Lott. Tickets --1. —s. I ri.di :5 per Cent. __ _ %iediag se testes', wi 'was sass ties, as a I,ONDON: SATURDAY EYLNINR, MARCU 24, IQ2I. • STOCK EXCHANGE, ONE O'CLO('K. The Fonds maintained their prices yesterday after noon, till the arrival of the express from Paris, with the utttitirati o )) of what was posted upon the Exchange, 1T hie 11, lt,r the n ttttt tent, depressed the prices, as Con which had Ipren 71; for the Account, were done .Lt 711 . 1. The Market, however, rallied, and Consuls left of at in, at which they opened this morning. They have since been done at 71 sellers, which is about the price, with little business doing. AUSTRIAN ACCOUN"T oi."rim 7th OF MARCO. We have rereired this morning from Paris accounts to a late hour on Wednesday evening. The usual papers of Wednesday h:tve also arrived. P.tats, M aactt 211.—The evening paper called L'Eloile do Sqir, contains the following article. ".fin account from the. Austrian head•quarters at !Ceti, of the *sth March says— " The enemv, to time n amber of 90119 men, advanced yestrtglav, the 7th, in the direction of Itieti, and attached the corps under the command of General Count WAlmoden. " The third of the advanced Ottani of this (leneral was sufficient completely to beat the Neapolitan corps, whiLla fell back upon Civita Ducale in the ,greatestdis- nr.br. " A Necolii column of the enemy rame from Lionessa, attackrol, near Pie di Lugo, Colonel Schneider, who 11411 need of only half a campany of Chasseurs to disperac them co:nplrtely. " It was only the night and the precipitate flight of the enemy, which hindered our troops from profiting by all their advalita.; es. " The General Chief has advanced without delay upon Itieti, with the intention of vigorously attacking the enemy. " These two artions hare already sufficed to maim many prisoner,, among v. horn is a I •aptain of the staff of 4 ieneral Pepe. The Neapolitans hying vigorously repttlscd, fell hack in a Coollftlaioll which the night served to augment. " Our troops entered at ten u'i lock at night into Chita Ducats., ii hicli the eile:uy had pillaged before they retreated. flue cannon arol two caissons were taken. " 'floc Austrians have heen welcomed at Cieila Dn. ,:ile ascii ii% refers. The spit it of the inhabitants of the Abruzzi i 3 03411 d. " 4,Vir fuss is eqinoti ,I at 51) men. A Captain of the ith !latish)))) of I 'la .seut s was killed, and two other Ali ers wounded. The Neapolitan P.' 'lament extraordinary was un the Ist of Mars 1,. A Deputation had pre viously waited on the Prince Regina, requesting him to delay the c losing of it fora few days. lie replied, that w eighty business.: required his attention, and he could not theretirc ;oolong the sitting; but, that be would attend at theorising of the Parliainent March. on the tint inst. be repaired to the Hall of the Depetirs, and addressed the Members on the occ asion. I n th e course of his speech, he stated it to he his intention to proceed to the ;truly. he Prince IttiitNT in an order of the day addressed to the troops thu s ex p ressed him-I relf. .1 shall be amongst you soldiers. God will protect us. Spilt which is united to us presents el memorable example of firmness. Recollect voldiers that you are the descendants of those brave warriors who attended my ancestor I:IIAKIA:3 111. of immortal memory, in the plains of Velletri, against those same enemies who now room to ;wart( you." Letters from Milan of the 10th state, that the, luso of Maple. passed through Mantua on the 6th, on his way to Floren.:e and Modena. General F:.t stoxTic, in these letters, represented to have 40,000 men, and PIiPE and CARASCHS A 61),1100,--their position to be favourable, on account of the heights, and the Austrians to be under a disadvantage, for want of light troops. It is certain that Genoa, according to commercial' accounts, has declared itself independent. The jusev, nals of Rome make no mention of any communal having taken place on the 7th. A tumultuous discussion took place in the French Chamber of Deputies on Tuesday. The order of the day was a continuation of the debate on the Law of Accounts. The French five per cents. left off on Monday at 76E 60c.; opened on Tnolday at 7.5 f. 50c.; sad closed at 74 f.; 80c. COIOUeI WARDLE, U a kttcr to a fiend, d ated Florence, March 10th, statca, that up to that eay Go intelligence of any engagement whateirer hariag tak en place, had been received in that city. Brussels papers to the 17th hare reached n s , t h e conteuts of which we are ‘oospelle.l t o postpone. This morning has happily sliest a gleam of upon the dubious accounts hum Italy which we suited to I►iv-e arrimi by private Express. T he B u ll, o f one Stock Exchange were yesterdsy ►ouch obliged to the officiousness of the French Ni s i,. ecr of Finance, for the notice he had issued t o m i e the drooping Funds of France and England. ni t equip 'produced the effect desired. There are wo►e pedients maple to serve the 'turps. of the diw : the officious (Iliac of the French financier could spN rate only a few hours. In the course of the same m i , in; the Etuilr appeared ; and the twiti!ilin; o f t hi s Star, though its rays passed tlisouzli the discolooriaz medium of an Austrian atmosphere, was sufficient t o expose th e ex aggeratio:t and the hilsehosif o f t h e previous notice. For the vaunted succe o o f t h ese redoubtable invaders, we refer our rcarlers la their ad. vices in the preceding column. What had hits !tr . sented an vegagement appears to have been nothiag rote than an affair of posts. So far from the Anstrinc. haviug "occupied Itieti," on the 7th of M*rrh, and been "attacked" there by the Neapolitans, they aim,. ledge on the 9th, that their General, thin:, was u l na , ing upon that place fur the purpose of atteeki,s. tte Neapolitans ; anti as to the " many prisoners" thit were said to have fall. n into their hands, and " tLe great disorder" that reigned "in the Nsapolitanansy,' all the evidence they retendcd to she's is, one Ceptsis, one picec of cannon and teen raiesons taken! ! which it ir. probable had been so disabled in the action as to be incapable of removal. The receipt of this intelligence at a period so slis. cant as this from the time of the occurrences, deg not tend to diminish the credibility of the report that an affair more serious and more favourable to the Neapolitan., as originally mated, took place no the 9th. The contest, however, is not of a nature to he de cided by one victory or one defeat ; nor is it sot per. haps the interest either of the Neapolitans themselves, or of Europe, that this should be the case. If the state of Germany dues not of itself put au esd to tie contest, we have the strongest reasons to believe llut Italy is ill become the theatre of a war scarcely less bloody than that of Spain. Letters of a very remit date are now before us relative to the late iraosactiuss in Piedmont, and on the state of popular feeling is Lombardy. These concur in describing the Wed against Austria u tot confined to the Caeloosari, betty pervade alike the Italian Prince', nobility, and wieldhag classes of society. We can also positively anltt eir readers that, although the Pirdniontese army la lung burned to be exposed to the invaders, it only obeyed the impulse given by its Chiefs, to declare for the Con,:itutiunal system and liberation of Italy. The party which have supported Prince Con 1 6:vaxo as& removed his father frosts a throne, be conld no los , ger hil fur the benefit of his people, is of the wog formidable description, including whatever of tiled and virtue there was left at the Court of Turin. Pe have also good ground for believing, that a branch of the Royal Family in a neighbouring country, has en couraged the young Sovereign of SAIRDINI A to become the real interpreter of his peoples' wishes. There is no doubt entertained at Paris, but that a large portion of the army has been put in m otion to march towards Milan, and that ether military prepara• times are spots a very large scale. It is e xtreme!) , fortunate that the Treasury of Piedmont slanihi be one of the best provided in Europe. Victor EVA NCIL was a provident if not a liberal Prince, so while the modern Goths hare no other nil a, s of sup porting the war except by rubbery and plunder, the troops of his Sardinian 51aJraTY go into the tic id on the resources of their own I;ol.m:tient. The first clause, with the preamble of the Catiox Bill, occupied the attention of the l'onimons night, in a Committee o f the whole Iloilo. ne first clause was carried, but by a majority of only 14 ; aasl this is a majority much less than that Oita carried a similar clause iu the Bill of 1.113, whirl was afterwards lint in the Committee. Mr. Banos Las given notice of a mo tion similar to that by shies the other measure was defeated. Mr. lionnotas Las dune well to give notice sf • motion for the repeal of the foreign of el enlistment liberal as, whether carried or not, it will afford the members of the House, a nother opportunity pressing their setitimews on our polity, re garl nut only to South Americ a bat Naples. The circsla: lately issued from the Horse Unards was to be peeteti, as forming a part of the system Ministers ha s! re acted on. h owev er, Sir Romer WiLsoN, or other gallant Acct. feels disposed t o visit the waif war, we have no doubt of their procuring immediate leave from his Royal Highness the Commander -is- Chief. Yestertiar. at two o'clock, a Cabinet Council nal held at the iroreign Office, in l/ouoin,:-street. A report was gener all y p revalent in l'Ari., on Irk nesday, that ( Jesus hail declared itself independent 4 Piedwoot. Our rewire, w J ill rec , illect th at the uai4, °rtlema7 cPkiondninnr.waissolu; of the until li l!''' ll n• jest sets of Loudest: Wits& printed, sad Publiskrel et cic ( ",,, *• Tau So . sod '• site CO:0111ft /Ist• • • tming..7 PapPP). So. MN. /Strand. opposite sit. Clement'. 0400' by It. WAIII)ML, Jos. LI. IL: to whom ntl 0100 0 ' eatleat► th'lNPro, es. OP rotresiod to be inliirs—r.l. • li tic ttattsintan. 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