The Statesman. — London, England, 1821-12-05 00:00:00

sen t. If every gentlantaa entered into a dissertation, the electing would be .deleyed until the actual sitting o f Parliament. CNAIRYAN said that undoubtedly the coarse ob jected to would lead to a very long discussion. The to oling was solely whether a petition should be pre sated to his Majesty. The person who was called to order said he should se t press his opinion against that of the Chair. A Geatleman then rose and moved an Amendment Tigbe's motion, in the form of a petition to his m i nty. The Gentleman then read the petition. which did sot materially differ from that which had been ?re posed by Mr. Tighe. The Cnataxam said be could observe little dif ference in the two petitions. The one now proposed a . as Amendment prayed that the situation of Ire:and s i g ht be laid before Parliament on its meeting; but d o petition proposed by Mr. Tighe was for the calling 01 Parliament together. He (the Chairman) should put thequestion, first, whether a petition should be pre tested to his Majesty, reserving for another question 1 144 of the two petitions should be adopted. The lo ose question being accordingly pat, li t SPRING Rice, M.P. said that he had been re• iie ged by his Right Hon. Friend Sir John Newport roomed the Meeting; and be was happy to say. that while be was stating the opinion of his lion. Friend ea this *abject, be was also offering his own. He should not at present discuss the propriety of peti tioning his Majesty. He objected in thane to the constitution of the present Meeting. Had be known that it was intended to call it, he should have nuke. vanred to prevent it; for be was aware of the difficulty, the delicacy of the subject, and that such a Meeting might do considerable mischief on the other side of the water. It was proposed by the last Speaker to petition his Majesty that the present disturbances in Ireland should be breaght under the consideration of Parliament at Its meeting; but could any man doubt that the eitna tion of Ireland would be a leading subject of consi deration the moment that Parliament met? Those who knewbim, knew very well that he was not dis posed to place Implicit confidence in the present Mi nisters; but they would be worse than men, they would be unworthy of the lowest station in society if they did not direct their attention and that of Perlis nienfto the situation of Ireland the moment Parlia ment should be assembled.. He therefore called open the Meeting to pause before, by adopting .the present motion, they established a principle which might be most fatal in its consequences. Here was a meeting called together by an ano amain; advertisement, and called upon to adopt petition professing to contain the sentiments of the Irish Nobility and Gentry resident in London. He wished to ascertain who it was that called this meeting ; but he could get no information on the sub ject : and even the Stationer, to whom he had been .referred, had refused to give up the name of the gen tleman who had advertised. For half the year there ,mere few Irish gentlemen in London (indeed he wished there were fewer,) but if it were in the power of an anonymous writer to call a meeting together, and call upon that meeting to do certain acts is the name of the Irish Gentlemen resident is London, what might In the eoeseqaeuce ? 1 In the absence of those Gentle snet.drof the majority °Mem, a paper of, the mem! mischievous tendency might be adopted and published as theirs. The meeting was fortunate in its Chairman, • whose rank and character gave a dignity to its pro , tiedings ; yet he was bat as adventitious guest; and the meeting. in point of law, bad no existence whet ever. lie was aware of the dreadful situation of Ire . land : he bad only lately come from the county of Li , wick, in which scenes bad taken place which would affect the heart of every man of feeling ; but still he entreated the• Hon. Gentleman (blr.Tighe) whose kind • fielinge towards Ireland were so generally known, to • pease Won he pressed the meeting to adopt a mea sure which might indeed, which he feared, would do considerable mischief. After a few words from Lord DARNLEY and Mr. TIGRE, Momeore proposed an adjournment, for the purpose of giving further notice of a meeting, when a roller attendance might be expected. Mr. Mica, senior, moved that the meeting do ad journ sine die. After some observations by different gentlemen, the "'fedi* for adjournment was put and negatived. Some conversation then ensued, in which Mr. Beecher, M.P., Colonel Monson, and Mr. Blake took a part. After which, It was moved by Mr. Baseman, M.P., and carried unanimously, " That an humble Petition be presented to the King, praying, that his Majesty may be gra ciously pleased to take into consideration the pro priety and expediency of calling Parliament together with as little delay as possible, for the purpose of sub reittieg to their deliberations the present alarming state of trelavol." Thnthanks of the meeting were voted to the Noble Chairman. after which they separated. Little Waddington, of bill-sticking notoriety, was present durinktisg whole of the proceedings, and en deavoured elne .ahwice to obtain a bearing, but un deestandingfromAitom around him. that be bad no tight to address the meeting. or else hopeless of being imeaded to, be declined giving publicity to his opi • dens en the sablect. ON THE MODE OF MANAGING THE PEOPLE OF IRELAND. (From the Dublin Evening Post.) Suppose the present disturbances are put down, as put down they will be unquestionably, let .the Landowners then look steadily and calmly, if they tan, on the remote causes of the insurrection. They will find these causes in their mode of treating the peossatry in their rack-rents, in their Grand Jury Assemniests, and in the varicose exactions to which they ars liable. They must reduce their rents, in every casnty in the kingdom, to one-half. Other re ductions will be made, or assuredly, this insurrection will only be appeased for a short season. L t them re eet on the sweat prise of beef and mutton, of batter awl bread. 10 them study, uwe have done. the Colo Nechsay Notes of London and Dahlia, and let them consider the iseatiNity of gooletehdell the primaThl us hi menhir shady arbish weld Isomso the theseey of jr&aiL sod so the pane oomily; wail, cwwsishig Ruh au, but t• TMW&liiTti t Tl which, after all, little attention appears to have been Paid. We mean the state of the population. The censu returped from the various Counties justifies the conclusion, that the people of Ireland are consider ably above Seven Millions; perhaps we should not exaggerate, if we said they were ..Eight. This we know for certain, that censiders and calculating men maintain the latter statement. As to the advan tages or injuries of a great population to a State, we do not feel it necessary at present to meddle. Much less shall we embarrass ourselves with considerations as to the moral or political checks which should have been put in practice, in order to diminish the amount. The Table is clearly full ; and it will not now do to say with Mr. Malthus, to any stranger that may in trude, You have no 'business here—you were not bidden to the feast—Go, perish." This may be very striking in philosophy—it is very startling to hums- Mtg. But whether the doctrine of this economist be true or false, Is not the question now. Here are up wards of seven millions of people—these seven mil lions must be fed. They cannot starve, and they aelil not starve. Well, then, can the country support them? A curious question, truly; but worthy the hard-heart ed system—a curious question in a country which ex ports nearly a moiety of her corn—in a country which supplies the most populous districts of England. not only with wheat, oats and barley, beef, pork and but ter, but even exports several thousands of eggs. There are too many Mouths , you say, and yet yen send suffi cient away to supply a fifth of all England ! For the love of common sense, let this folly, under the guise of pretended science, be never uttered more. Yet when speaking of the distresses and disturbances of the country, it is cramboss of this kind that are thrust into our faces. But, however this question may be determined, it is certain that the people must be fed. It is for the Landlords, therefore, to consider what portion of their incomes they must sacrifice to this object. They have allowed the population to multiply without imposing any check ; they have neglected their moral culture ; they have not cultivated amongst them habits of cleanliness or of care—of caution or of foresight ; they have disregarded, in a word, their education, (we use the term in its most comprehensive import.) 'l'hey gave them the potatoe ; they vegetated upon this per nicious root; they multiplied upon it; and, lo! they are bstween seven and eight millions. And such a po pulation—so full of inflammable elements—so dan gerous—so improvident—so reckless! If they were lof another sort, they might, and they would, be more easily managed. If they bad education, if they were made to have attachments, if they regarded their supe riors as their protectors and friends, instead of re garding them as soother and a distinct order of hu man beings, who had no passions, no feelings, no in terests in common with themselves, the Irish peasantry, we think, (it may he national partiality, perhaps, and we fear we shall offend the fashionable patois now in vogue, by the declaration)--still we will say, that this peasantry, by a different treatment, might be made a very different people. These, it will be said. are general remarks. The point is to subdue the insurrection in the South. But these panel remarks apply especially to this very keg. If the gentry will. sot see She application. all tittle woos* say is Ibis. tbst we pity ittets--eittettely pity them—and that we pity oar country, though we shall never despair of her. PRICE OF STOCKS TII I Bank Steak 217 • per Cest.Red 7611 per Csat.Con I/ per Cent. 87 61 6 per Cents. 96 6i 6 per Ct.Ntry Spar Cost. Loeg Ann I 9 5-18 Imp.l For Cent. 75/ Irish 6 per Cent. DAY AT OWE O'CIAXIII. bdle MIA 4lipioads46, Us. Us. ps geed) Sea Stock South Sas Old Au. >l;ildlM.1000t par. Is. pa •••••••-40111. Is. 2s. p.. par small lc vs. pm. par ladle ibr at* Coo. for Acid 77W Lott. Tickets 444. 19s. ■IOR WATER AT LONOOR•IRIOOR TO•IIORROW. Morning 17 la. after It.—Erealag fa sta. after 11. eonsider that, at last4ll the consumer who must pay the whole, and that it is the Englids labourer, new reduced in his wages from the decline of trade and the weight of tuition, that will be required to defray the proposed exaction. The weight of taxation, owing to the national expenses and the interest of the nationaldebt, 1 these country gentlemen keep as much as possib'e out of ' sight. Oh, said the Noble Chairman, though the national debt be an evil, no person can say it is a national loss I it was only the means of transferring the property of one class to the pocket of another. If this be no grievance, then farmers can have no occasion to complain; for what is loss to any of them must be gain to some body else. It is no wonder that these gentlemen suc ceed so indifferently with all their agricultural asso ciations, when guided by so little sagacity. The Meeting of the Irish Gentlemen tended to ex pose the system of misrule under which their unhappy country has for ages suffered; but beyond that point was productive of no beneficial result. This day, hap pily. the Irish papers bring no fresh accounts of outrages No French papers had arrived when our paper went to press; nor has any fresh light been thrown upon the dispute between the Chamber of Deputies and th e King, further than that received at the Stock Exchange• This is to time for shuffling ; every independent Journal should speak out; delusion is a crime, which, we trust, will never be charged upon us. The present Ministers have shewn so much incapacity in a variety of ways, that we do not consider them adequate to ma nage the business of a Parish Vestry. The more ne inspect their misrule, the more satisfied we become of their ignorance or wickedness ; and were there a proof wanted of this, the FRENCH EXPOSE on the state of that country must convince us that their measures have been every thing but what they should have been. Prance preAents a picture of prosperity, not withstanding the exactions of the Unholy Alliance, and the feuds caused by the accursed Ultras, and all the enemies of liberty. The industry, activity, and good sense of the French people, have instructed their Government to follow up that economy which must prove the support of all state machines. AMERICA, as well as Prance, has given us lessons for many %ear; but these were not sufficient to controul weakness, wickedness, and palpable imbecility. We have seen a tottering Exchequer supported by ways and means which would have disgraced the character of a com mercial individual we have seen loans effected to pay the interest of loans, and a compound interest heaped . upon the debt of the country ; we have seen ten thou- ' sand a year voted to one for performing the duties re quired by nature ; and we have seen a Civil List suf ficient to maintain all the Princes in Europe in splen dour. "hi! ? at the same time oar trade and commerce . 6sztottA state of BAxamazej, and the, WORE HOMAN etowded with Pauper*. We have also seen a part of the army bedizened with fringe, tinsel, and lace, and the expenses of the household troops alone sufficient to support the whole of a necessary military establishment. Yet, under this system of profligacy, we have heard of Ministerial economy ! From such, 0 Lord, deliver us !!! Every thing will have an end, so will this hopeful system of economy, in the want of means to support it. Parliament must, however, come to the point; Ministers may raise paper supplies ; they may raise the wind even to a hurricane ; but the stronger it blows the sooner it must cease. They may swell their majorities, and bold out promise and promotion ; 'tis all in vain ; these majorities must re ceive THEIR RENTS, or they'll Rat. If they ' should, a kick-nut will follow. Who then will take their places? Sboold the Whigs he mad enough to sumd them, unless they make Reform in the House of Commons a sine qua non, they will neither obtain confidence nor protract the final ii.sue. But to think of continuing things in their present shape is as dif ficult and as foolish as to attach wisdom to the parties who caused all the mischief. Boston Papers arrived this morning to the lith No vember, fins which we extract the following : Crum THE BOSTON PAPER OP TUX 10TH NOV.] Letters from Cuba mentor dist three of the pirates who have mode that island their assylem, have been apprehended by the Spanish citizens of Matanzas, and that two d theta have bees summarily tried and ex ecuted. BALTIMORE, NOT. 4. LFROM THE HATANHAS MART OF THI 14TH CLT.] CONSTITUTIONAL GOVERNMHNT OF lIAVANNAH. Captain Don John Bekunes, of the Spanish *chooser Rapt. which &Rebored this morning in 14 days from Tampico, states, that the Government es tablished in that port is the Constitutional one under the name of ladependence, without any particular alteration ; that at the time of his departure it was said, that a division of Itarbide was beaten by that of Novella, near Meziso, and that the day before yester day, at day break, at a short distance between the Marible and Cabana, be saw the schooner Requeln3e, • national packet, coming from Vera Cros. The Re jaelmesalled from Vera Cm 10th September. EF.HOM THII NSW IMOLAND come Norse.) Lassoes% Dec. 3.—Yesterday evening arrived the &hiders, Hobson, from Charlestown, in twenty-one 4ltys. This day the Raffles from Boston. The Albion packet 'Lip from New York, is got off and docked in she Primus clock this day, and 1 am happy to say with way Beth damage; has most go into the graving dock ir drip her sapper. wiatt Me everting law the appearance of coming sortaillibibe N. N. if SD the many vessels waiting for a whelk* sows with • Telesis in the Morning. The Amity i harass aro in the river. The Martha, IllooalosorAtalia sad buy are is dock all for New York. Wge . -7' LONDON: WEDNESDAY EVENING, DECEMBER 5, 1821. STOCK EXCHANGE, TWELVE O'CLOCK. Consols bad been done this morning at 771 for the opening ; but there was a report on Change that an express bas arrived from Paris which state the French Funds to have fallen; in consequence of which the mar ket has lowered, and they are now fallen to 77f, ad I to I per money. A large portion of oar paper to day is occupied with the proceedings of meetings, which have bees held on subjects which press immediately and most urgently on the public attention, and which are, at the same time, of the greatest importance, and involve the greatest difficulties. The one is a meeting of re spectable farmers and country gentlemen, on the dis tress in which the agricultural interests are overwhelm. ed ; the other that of gentlemen connected with the sister kingdom, to consider the outrages with which that unhappy country is distracted and disgraced. The proceedings of both are of the highest interest. With respect to the first, it will be seen how delusive and mis chievous are the views with which the agricultural men have been labouring to extricate themselves from their distress. AUow them but to raise the price of cora to what they account a rensuneratioa, and then the country will do well Awhile ago they asked and obtained a law to regulate the price at which im portation was to be permitted; and by keeping est cheap foreign corm they conceived they shook* make their own sell dear. They found themselves mistaken ; and au they contrive a fresh expedient; a duty to be imposed upon its importsties. Btlt whence the money is to come to pay tbe high peke they seek, is to cheeks 4sestion they either' owe We to consider, or they MINK answer. The horse. mei their Noble Chairesse, will be paid by the iseella chant. This eitsbis dhefavery reeeived tM of the Meedag I as if the Foreign lisishiao aid 110 expect to be vemeaseated. Mess tilsoisoin astior • . 1 •-,•- . 17%M."1111Im UK E H& J AND IRELAND. REMOVAL OF WINE FL TWFIEN ENGLAND . . . Treasury Chatokers, Sept. 17 ISM . GENTLEMEN-1 am commanded by the Lords Com missioners of his Majesty's Treasury to acquaint yon that in all cases of the removal of wine for private use to Great Britain an 4 Ireland, or vice verdict, which may he intended to be landed at an Out-Port in either country, My Clrls desire that to prevent the dejay which has hitherto taken place, the duplicate peewits which are granted far the removal, with the necessary certificate that no drawback has been'reoelied, may be forwarded direct to the Collector and Comptroller at such Out-Port, instead of their being tTan‘mitted, in the first instance, to the Commissioners of the Customs of the Country into which the trine is to be imported, pursuant to the Order of this Board of the 24th of July, 1813. C. ARBUTHNOT. To the Commissioners of Customs. CUSTOM DUTY ON STAVES. (COPY OF A LE !TER.) Treasury Chambers. Mae. 0, 11421. GENTLEMEN—With reference to your reVart, I aln commanded by the Lords Commissioners of. his Ma jesty's Treasury, to acquaint you, that my' Lords base directed the Commissioners of Customs in Scotland to admit Staves of the growth and productioo of the ritieb Colonies and plantations in America, not above 3i Indies in thickness, on payment of tl:e proper duties on stares, and my Lords will cause ae error in the Art of the let and 2nd Geo. 4. chap. 31. to be corrected in the ensuing Session. (Signed) LUSIIINOTON. To the Commissioners of Customs. • It is confidently reported that a coalition bas been formed by Ministers with the Grenville party, •aad that the following additionalAcbanges have taken place : Dr. Phillimore to succeed Sir George Warren der, as one of the Lay Lords of the Admiralty ; Charles Wynn to, succeed Mr. Sturges Bourne in the Board of Controul ; Mr. Saurio to succeed Lord Maio ners, as Lord Chancellor of Ir ni DIF. Plun kett to become. AttornepGenei*Ort. • • • The Princess Augusta arrived yesterday afternoon at the King's Palace, at Pimlico, at 'half past three o'clock. Her Royal Highness was accompanied by Count Linsingen, Lady Mary Taylor, and Miss Wyn yard. The Lord Mayor will hold a Court of Common Council to-morrow, to receive a report from the Com mittee of General Purposes relative to the affray at Knightsbridge during the funeral of Honey and Francis. and on other business. A writer in a morning paper, with admirable saga. city, has discovered that all the miseries and misfor tunes of Ireland are attributable to Irish whiskey After this, we may expect shortly to bear that the ma nufacturers and agriculturalists of 'England are op pressed with the weight of Hodge?' 'tine gin, and Whitbread's stout. On Thursday the action, at the instance of Lord Archibald Hamilton, against the printers and publish ers of the lately deceased /home, for printing a false. calumnious, and abusive libel on his Lordship, eansi to be discussed before Lord Pitmilly, Ordinary. The Lord Ordinary eastaimesi the action, and remitted the case to the Jury Court.—(Seetarnan.) Tug Aamv.—On Monday morning, the first division of the 55th regiment marched to Gravesend, and em barked immediately for the Cape of Good Hope, on board the Balcarras Indiaman. The Id division will embark on board the David Scott, for the same des tination. The first division of the 49th regiment also marched on Monday to Gravesend to embark for the Cape, and will be immediately followed by the remainder of the regiment. Yesterday morning the 3d Battalion of the Ist regt. of Grenadier Guards, under the com mand of Col. Stewart , marched from heir barracks at Knightsbridge, to the basin at Paddington, on their route to Ireland. They proceed in boats by the Grand Junction Canal to Liverpool. FATAL ACCIDENT AT LORD DARLINGTON's SEAT.— The following is an authentic statement of a molt awful and melancholy occurrence which took place at Newton House, the seat of the Earl of Darlington, near Bedale, during the violent storm of last Friday night : —Between three and four o'clock on Saturday morning, the family were alarmed and called from their beds by a most dreadful crash. On flying to the spot, it was'found that the wind bad blown dons a stack of chimneys, which had fallen on the of of the room wherein Miss Russell, the niece of th e Countess of Dar lington, slept. The roof and ceiling having been thus driven down into the room, chosked the whole up, so that the door could not be opened, and no entrance was obtained until the pannels were broken away , when Miss Russell was found covered wtth the materials of the roof and ceiling ; and on removing them, she was brought out in a lifeless state. Hopes of resuscitation were for some time entertained; every means instantly mooned to, and skilful medical aid powered in a very shoet spate oitime ; but, lamentable to relate, all proved fruitless. although every hope was not abandoned until near 12 o'clock at noon. It was most wonderful that no mark or blow appeared upon the face or person, but the fea tures and countenance were most placid and serene, as if she had passed from sleep to death. Thus depadhi from this uncertain and probationary state. this toga* and interesting . young Lady—blessed with the brightest prospects, and to the bloom of life, being in the tett& year of her age. Coax EXCRANOR, Ds,. s.—Scarcely any sales were made to-day, and the Wheat trade is so completely stag nant, that prices are aondual, except for superfine sam ples, which were offered at Monday's quotations. and only a very small quantity could be got off ; the inferior qualities are totally unsaleable.—Fine malting s l a t i at i l supports Monday's currency, but the ordinary are Is. per quarter lower. The 'Oat trade continues ea ceedingly heavy as well as Deans sad Peas, the supply of each being larger than the eausumers can take o A few days shwa as a boy was going from this town to Hassey, by the towiappath, be foiled lying under the bask of the river, a gold ring, apparently of great antiquity. It weighs one ounce, twelve grains, and is ornamented all mend with a very pro minent embossers of rude workesauship. Its appear ance altogether is perfectly antique, and we sholld not wonder if antiqoariancenjecture iodated a belle( that it was formed and fashioned by the ancient Bri tons, u an ornament for the fitting finger of some one the most distinguished of their hardy Chiefs. The ring is in the possession of the Editor, who with great pleasure will stew it to any Antiquary desirous of being gratified wish a sight of ift— ' (Lewes paper.) : tvg ittattiSman. " TIE BEITISSI STATESMAN " If INCORPORATED WIT. el Till STAINSMAN." I I ‘,. ' 4 10' f -4,t;