The Statesman. — London, England, 1821-09-04 00:00:00

WS , . .1 . . -- :d Mr. Blakie--Will you swear you did not see hi m on, that day ?—Witness. I don't wish to say any thing; wrong, Sir. . . Mr. Blakie—l am sure you do not. Com:mite—Did you see him to your knowledge?— Witness. I did not, Sir. CORONER—I know yon all, Gentlemen, by your feces, but I should be puzeled if esked if I knew you by names. 'Mr. Am:menus—So should I, I am sure. . A Juror—But you know all the gentlemen of the. -Bar, whether in or out of their 'robes, Mr. Adotplius? Mr. Ai:imagine—lndeed! do not :'quite the contrary. I stared very much indeed, quite impertinently, at a 13eiltleman in the Inquest-room the other day, imagin ing him to be a Barrister, and afterwards felt it neces sary to apologise for it. After a few observations from the Coroner, the exa mination proceeded. Mr. Blakie—Did you see any other officer before Lieut. Gore came up on that day ?—Witness. 1 saw one, but I can't say whether it was before the hearse came up or after. By a Juror—l did not see a ioldier's horse fall at Cumberland-gate that morning ; I saw two fall at . Tyburn-gate ; have been better than four years in the regiment; I can't say how long Lieut. Hall has been in the regiment. By a Juror (Mr. Browne)—l was not one of the patty a ho prevented the hearse from beitig turned down Oxford-street. Here witness's evidence was read over to him. In addition to which, he stated as follows :—After the affray was over, and the Keane bad passed, we went back and formed near Cumberland-gates ; I do not know what further passed, as I was sent off by Lieut. Gore for orders. by Mr. Blakie.-4 was present on 'the 21st when the troops were drawn up for inspection iu the bar racks. Mr. BlatieDid you see Lieut.*Gore tkire ? 'Wit ness. eaw Wm when he came out. •Mr. Blakie—Did you see him there'—Witness. He does not belong to my troop ; 1 ditl not gee him to toy knowledge, but be might be &etc . willatiut my see ing him. Coaosren—Why it is proved over and over That he was there. Mr. Blakie—Did you see Lieut. Hall there? Wit ness. I don't know where you' mean, Sir. Mr. Blakie—ln the barracks ?—Witness. I cal.'t say to my kowledge that 1 did, Sir. Witness having signed his deposition; withdrew. Mr. Blakie here addressed the Coroner. He *com• mental by observing, that when Mr. Henson first made his appearance at the Inquest, he was questioned as to the authority by which he acted there, and he . (Mr. Henson) immediately informed the Court that be appeared on behalf. of Colonel Caveidish and the other-officers of the Ist Life Gnarl's. Mr. Adolphus • had been Weill:opted in a similar manner, and there fore he (Mr. Blakie) should feel that lie acted Neon r.istently, if he did sot, on the part of himself and his brother jams, proceed in the same manner towards the Gentleman who had but just before avowed him- self as the professional agent of some persons con nected with this inquest. Mr. Illakie then wiling to the gentleman whom we have already alluded to, said, “ May I beg, Sir, to knell , yfitir name ?" The Gentleman answered, My name is Crowther." Mr. you have the goofiness to inform us who are. you.' clients on this occasion ? Crowther.--:-1 should have had no difficulty from the first in gitiog you this information, were it not That I thought it involvei a matter •f delicacy. It has been laid that there are two parties he this case ; now I belong to neither party. I certainly have clients here, but if I state that I attend here as an Anhui Curia, I presume it will be sufficient. CoOIIONZR—We have too many of that description • of persons here already. Mr. CROWTHIP—AS Mr. Adolphus has thought proper to keep the Jury in the dark with respect to his clients, I suppose I may do so too. The Foreman—That is what I have been complain ing of all along. I have said that we are groping in the dark. CORONER•••--I heard something of this before, but I thought it applied to some witnesses. Mr. Blakie—Tlien I must appeal to you, Mr. Co roner. I have put a question, and you see how lam answered ; but, however, this gentleman may blink the question, I have no hesitation in saying, that their attendance is, contrary to the principles of this Court, which is a Court of Infinity. We have already pro tested against the presence of Mr. Adolphus as an ad-1 Tecate, and we now protest against the interference of this new . gentleman ; I am sorry to detain you, Sir, but I now call upon you to state upon what ground it is that you allow these gentlemen to screen the guilty (if there. he any guilty) from our inquiry ? Conoxen—Mr. Adolphus does not obstruct the in quiry ; when be puts a question, it is for the purpose of explanation. It is our duty here to listen to all parties for the purpose of getting at the truth, and I do not know bow we can do better than avail ourselves . of the abilities of a gentleman of Mr. Adolphus's. skill in. his profession. _ _ _ Mr:Browne (a Juror)—This much will I say, that our proc.eedings should be impartial and not preju diced ; but 1 wean to say that Mr. Adolphus cannot be impartial when he bas Odd that be saw* nose but the enemies of Lieut. Gore at the Jury table. I may per• haps excite the risible faculties of some gentlemen, but I mast state this. Mr. Makie—l am sure Mr. Adolphus could not• so fir forget himself as to say this. Several Jurymen together—l beard Mr. 'Adolphus say so. Mr. Browse—l shall stand up for our character as a British Joey, it matters net my height, colour, or utilise, and I do say, that I shall not suffer (Mr eights to be frittered away. [This observation . called forth some applause.] • The Foreman—l have frequently called upoi :Mr. Adolphus to state his authority for being preseit, bet he is comsat with ststieg that the Gentler has Titled' it so; I am not satisfied with this answer; and I nevi. call upon icr. Adolphus to *hew us his mobbrity for being preset. 11 1r-..4OWTHIIK said, .tbat if Mr. Adolphus would give up 44 onsets. he (Mr-Crowther) would , givi op his.• • Mr: A DOLPIIUS said, that the last observation whieh I.a& been made was the CONSWISIiO.9I laspwidasass . ~".: _ .y;. STATgS there was a person whim. be did not lasow awing I that he would do something on his (sir. Are.) doing a certain thing. He (Mr. A.). had, from the fitst, stated, tlfut he appeared Mete as Conasel Tor 'l . ln' Henson's clients. The Jury bad all along acted. and treated 1441.4 hat Gentleman as the Solicitor of Vor Cavendi h and others. He (Mr. A.) could give t h e " nan.es of his clierits, but he aid not feel it necessary to cto.so in answer to a Faison who gave no name, and who. sbewed nought. He •was sorry that Mr. Illakie 4ittl.put his.question too soon. Mr. Selene wise about lb addreas the Court, when Mr, Aoris.rucs begged : it to be understood that he appeared there as the - Cot:mei for...a party; but they were mistaken indeed—tberinjuredtlae, profession to which he belonged, if they supposed that be wished to embarrass their proceedings. As to any observations which he might have used Oita former occasion, he had only to say that be did not hold himself -responsible for any thing which passed before the Court was opened. Mr. Browne (a Juror) —The observations 'to which I have alluded were used in full Court. Coroner—This inquest is likely to last look► enough Of itself; but if we permit interludes of tbis kind, we shall never have done. Mr. Spicer—Suppose w•e admit Mr. Adolphus as Counsel , for—;- . . A Juror—Motu? Mi. Spicer—The party 'accused. Mr. Biownc—l call upon Mr. Spicer to' inform 'its who is the party accused ?' • Coroner—Some of the Lifc Guards are certainly accused. Mr. Spicer—You have admitted Mr. Waithmin for the prosecution. _ _ 111 r. Brosyne—There is no prosecution. The King has lost a subject, and we are bound to inquire, even in justice to the young Noblemen concerned, how that loss took place. Mr. Spiccr—l say the same thing. Mr. Browne—Then you blow hut and cold with the same breath. • . Foreman—We had better appelt/ to the Coroner. Coroner,—l think 'this inquest would , have gone bates on if it was left to myself and the Jury—(Clap ing of hands.) —It would be much better if a stop wore put to such disgusting scenes as this. After a few further observations from Mr. Adolphus and some of the Jurors. Mr. Blaicie said he bail 'no objection to Mr. Adol phus, or iVeil 'to Mr. Crowther's reniaining ; but he hoped that some guarantee would be given against further intrusions. Mr. CROWTHER said, be ►►• as nut to be put flown by Mr. Adolphus, or any other man in England. After a few observations from Mr. Adolphus, the Coroner, and some Jurors, Mr. CROWTHER SAW, he appeared there on the part of the relations of the deceased. r. A I/OLP/Ms-Mr. Wait lonian appeared for them. Mr. CROWTIILR-..-M r. Waithutan is ueithet barrister .nor solicitor. Mr. ADOLPH CS—Do iou mean to say that you ap pear fur the relatives of the deceased ? Mr. Cuow'i u shall answer no questions put by Mr. Adolphus. Mr. Blakie said that this she►ved the absurdity of allowing persons to interfere. Mr. APOLPIIIIS—This Gentleman is on the same footing with Mr. Waldman. , Mr. Browne E aid it was much to Mr. Waithman's honour to have taken the part he did ; no man de serves to live who could ref►►se to advocate the cause of a fellow-creature so circumstanced. A Juror observed that the Coroner allowed what ever Mr. Adolphus put and suppressed ►what he op posed. Mr. Spicer objected to this as an unjustifiable attack upon the Coroner. The examination then proceeded. Mellish Hoskins, of 46, Green-street, Grosvenor square, examined :—I am a merchant by profession ; I know nothing of the death of Honey. A Juror (Mr. Browne)---1 was not at Cumberland gate until half-past one; 1 suppose the procession was gone through before 1 came, as 1 saw nothing of it; I wore ne great coat on that Jay. Juror—Then, Sir, 1 am sorry you had the trouble coming here. Mr. Browne—l understand that the ten men are in attendance; perhaps it will safe time if we call the trumpeter first . — The trumpeter was then ordered .to attend. The trumpeter was then calletiiit'And examined ; he is a smart looking young man apparendy under Robert Jones—l am extra utusitian•in the First Life Guards. 1 know nothing about the death of Richard Honey. • A note was here banded to the Coroner on the subject of another inquest, it was understood that the Jury were to adjourn over ta-morrow. • Examination resumed—Mr. Blakio—Have un dergone any examination previous to your coming' here to•day? • Wiliam—No, Sir, nor on any former day; I was on duty on the r4th; we were ordered to Kenqington ACM. Mr. Blakie*WhArern.ordered there? Z , Witness.—Thejorty to which I belong ;' it it Com manded by Cap Oakes; we went to Kensington i ; it was about eleven o'clock in the forenoon when we got these ; we remained there, I suppose about ten minutes, and we then moved as far as Park-lane with the pro cession ; we stood at the corner of Park-lane about ten minutes; I was on duty at Canaberland-gate on that day; I don't below to Lieutenant Bore's detachment ; we have a Trumpet Major, hi', name is Walker; I can't say who was the Trumpeter to Lieutenant (lore's de tachnsept ; I saw Lieutenant - lore, but did not are his party; whim I &Moot at Cumberland-gate I saw Lieut. Ours; I lead ms monversatiois with hint; he did not ask me to lead Ida a pistol; nobody,e)s.askad me; i did not lead any one Nputol without ; bying piked; no one 'took n`pistol frets my holster *about being asked; I had one pistol when I started from the barracks. 4 11 is not.nuat to carrione,lut if a soldier has got one's4oich be canAcpend upon he May carry it: I am quite sure ai I hada pistol which I mold depend upon, I mirk's! *re; Imm - taite Mee when L returned to the bat lie a I had that pistol withme. !By Mr. Rrottne.—There was no Other trumpeter be side one attached to Capt. atkes's party; I saw no de tachment at Cumberland-gate; there are 'tight trum peters to a regiment; they are -Major Walker, next trespeter Fret*. trumpeter Midst; trumpeter Rath bone, trumpeter Farman-, trumpeter Edwards, trum peter Wylde, trumpeter &dolma We bad assaanaition' AN., served out before we left the ViCrracksf it is 'itin any matildoty ku particular to serve ont the anarnunitiont'l always carry tstols on duty of that sort; I have been eleven years in the service next Deeember;. I wet not born in the regiment ; my pistol was not fired that day, the 14th ofrAugust; 1 did not tome at the head of tile 7 1.1tacliment ; 1 followed a corporal and two privates in the advanee; Capt, Oakes followed me; • I did not see Capt. Oakes..till we had formed up against the Rates; 1 don't know that he and I went through the gates at the same time; Capt. Oakes might be six yards in my rear; I- did not cast back my eves en coming to the Edgware-road, to Capt. Oakes . for orders; I followed the hearse; came through Cumberland-gate ; I cannot say whether I was through before the firing commenced ; 1 heard firing; I saw and felt the brickbats thrown be fore the gyring. By Mr. /thin/give—The throwing .of stones began when we.got into Kensington, and continued at inter vals till we came to Cumberland-gate, and then grew more 'stronger; it manifestly endangered the lives and limbs of the soldiers, and injured a great many. By a Juror.—When we came up from Knightsbridge the Hyde-park gates were shut: I don't know who open ed the Park gates. The witness then signed his deposition. The Jury then obtained leave to retire for a short time ; but before they left the room, Mr. ADOLPHys stated, that the trumpeter who attend ed Lieut. Gore on the 14th, was in attendance. In about twenty minutes the Jury returned, and William Bishop was sworn.-1 am a trumpeter in the first regiment of Life Guards troops, troop D. ; I was out on the 14th; I know the nature of an oath ; I was stationed at Cumberland-gate; I know nothing of the death of Richard Honey; I can't exactly tell at what time I left the Ll:wracks that day; it was in the morning about eleven o'clOck ; I came out of the Barracks with a detachment ; it was commanded by . Lieut. Gore ; was stationed, after I left the Barracks. at Cumberland gate; I was equipped that day according to field-day orders; I had pistols, but not ammunition ; I had one pistol; I am sure I had hut one when I set out ; I made no use of it ; nobody asked me to lend it 'him ; I did not lend it to any one; it was never out of my posses sion on that day; I was stationed outside the Park at Cumberland-gate before the procesEion came up; I had no conversation with Lieut. Gore that morning; it was not my duty to ride near him, I rode behind him about three yards; I did not hear him say any thing about his cloak or his pistols; I did not see Lieut. Gore with a pistol at all tint morning ; I know Lieut. Hall ; I saw him on the morning of the 14th ; I saw him riding through the Park till he came through Unn.l3-rland• gate with the corpse ; I did not see him any time in Oxford-street that morning before the hearse Came up; the first time I saw him was when the hearse came through ; there was much disturbance then, the people were throwing stones ; there was no firing in conse quence of the mob throwing; at Tyburn-gate towards Edgeware-road, I heard reports of pistols, but there was no firing-at Cumberland-gate; I saw Lieut. Hall as he came through Cumberland-gate, not distinctly, but was sure it was he. The hearse had been gone through Cumberland-gate about five or ten minutes before I heard the firing; the people, besides throwing stones, called out " Butchers," and " Blood-suckers," and other ill names ; I do not know why they called out in that man ner. I saw an affray between the mob and the soldiers in keeping open the gates ; the soldiers were obliged to use violence to keep them open ; they were obliged to hit the crowd brkeep them back with the flats and backs of their swords; this was the time when the people called out "Butchers." We cleared the crowd away, not by tiring ; we cleared them away by the flats and backs of the swords ; I am sure when I went home I bad my pistol with me; I am one of the trumpeters be longing to the Life Guards ; there are eight full trum peters, and six supernumerary; I am sure my pistol was not fired out of in the whole course of the day. I was at Cumberland-gate before the hearse came through about a quarter of an hour ; the reason I came out with out ammunition was, the • corporal missed giving it to me ; I was at Cumberland-gate about ten minutes be fore Liedt. Gore gave us the refreshment; the Guards cleared the way about two or three minutes after the refreshment ; I saw no persons rode down ; there were stones flying from towards Tyburn-gate ; I left the Barracks about eleven o'clock; all Lieu tenant Gore's party came out together; we did not leave any at the Park-gate as we came by; we did not halt coining from the Barracks to the Park gate; nor by the trees under the water works ; we came through the gate without any interruption into Oxford st. ; we formed to the left of the gate as we came in, when we formed to the left of the gate as we came in ; when we were so formed, doings were quiet ; we formed in proper order; we were not molested at that time; it was then we received our refreshment; the mob did not begin to increase then ; after we had taken re freshment our first orders were to keep the gate clear ; the crowd afterwards came up and closed the gates; there was a quantity of stones thrown front Park-lane when the gates were shut; we were order ed to clear the way by Lieut. GAIT; then the hearse came through ; I can't say how Tar I was then from Lieut. Gore; I was on the left side of the gate when the hearse. came through, between Cqmberland-gate . and Tyburn turnpike; I can't say where Lkut. • Gore was at that time; Some of the detachment was in the inside of the Park aftei the hearse passed through, to [nowt the coaches; I went to 'ply commanding officer in the coarse of bushiest; after the procession was through, the soldiers all mixed together; I did not see the firing commerce; I was at ,Cumberland-gate when the tiring commenced ; I don't.know how near I was to Lieut. Gore at that time ; I did not see him; I did not see a man shot ; I Aloe% know which de. tuelsment commenced firing; I have no knowledge of any of the men who did fire ; it was at Tyburn-gate I firm heard'the report of *pistols ; I teas then in as lunch daiger of being shot as any body; when I heard the firing I moved hearer to Tybarn-gate; I did not see any officer at all fire that day; I did not see any other treospeter•there. • By Mr. Annum —The soldiers struck with the flats and baits of their swords; if they had not done -so, I do-not kuow whetter there must have been a prodigious slaughter or not—(Laughter.) Cottottna---1 be ownw'has made tio calcnlation'; his answer walnut be talten•down. Mr. - ibtaxte—Mr. Coroner, has Mr. Adolphus put an !Improper question or riot ? If he has not, the answer should 'Sot be expunged. • ' - - . r It was agreed that tne answer should WitGess- - Atter the procession had passed, quality was restored, my detachment Cumberland-gate ;at that time I was pl of the detachment, and Lieut.-Gore %vat the horses heads were at this time toward; street ; I don't recollect that Lieut. Gore at this time, 'nor do I know that he spot corporal; I did not see him in conversati tleman in private clothes, nor speak to Hy a Juror-1 never saw him take the holster during the whole time ; I btu peter there, nor did 1 dismount during day. By Mr. Blakie—l went out with the detachment, and I came in with it, and saw no other trumpeter. By the CORONER-1 saw no supernumerary there. Mr. Ilerwmtra then came forward and said, that having understood that a Gentleman attended time that morning, who had stated that he attended for the next of kin to the deceased, he thought it his duty to see the Gentleman who had so destOrd himself. fie was aware, in the first instance, that the person could not have been so employed, as he was himself about to undertake the task, hut had been !prevented by the de claration of Mr. Waithman, that "it was perhaps as well to leave it altogether to such a Jury." The geatle.- man had then said, that he had the authority of k r . Waithman, but that could not have been the case, as it was, in the course of that very morning, the canvass tion with Mr. Waldman to which he had alluded, h a d takeh place. The Strangerdeuied that he had said be appeared for ,the fiutfaly of the deceased ; but he felt that he had a right to come forward on behalf of any party. Mr. Ilavavaln said he load no other objectin attending there than to disclaim, that the Gentleman who had . just spoken was authorised to attend with the know ledge of Mr. Waithuran, or on the part of the next of kin. The next witness was Daniel French, who deposed as follows was there during the whole futieral, but did not see the man fall ; 1 saw the officer that fired the pistol, but did not see hint fire the pistol. CommEn—Then how do you know who fired it ? ‘Vitoess—l heard that one of the officers fired %pistol, and I saw them all. Therefore 1 must have seen the officer who fired the pistol. By Mr. Blakie—lt appeared to me that the offizers awl soldiers came up together. By the Foreman—l do not know Lieut. Gore. ennomm-1 am sorry, Sir, that you were I.ut b ths trouble of attending here. The witness then retired. Mr. BLAKIE proposed that, if Mr. Adolphus did not mean to call any more witnesses, the Jury should ad. journ ; as he did not think that, by proceeding witli toe examination of the soldiers, they could arrive at ay additional information. Mr. Spicer expressed himself most willing that the Jury should adjourn, as it was not likely that Mr. Addipirus could finish his evidence iu the course of the evening. Mr. A DOLPIIt'S said, that he certainly could not. He had stated on a former occasion, that if the e►idence on the part of the Crown concluded at an early hoar in the course of that day, he should be able to go through the whole of his witnesses before the adjournment; but, en the examination had been so long protracted, he could not do so. However, if on Wednesday next, muck time was not occupied before he called the ►ery few vrit nesses be had to produce, he saw nothing to pre►ent the dosing of the inquest on that day. Mr. Blakie thought it would not be right to exclude the examination of any witnesses whose testimony might be considered of importance, even after the ex amination of the witnesses to be called by Mr. Adol phus. He was the more anxious to pleas this opinion, in consequence of a communication which he had re ceived relative to the testimony of one of the witnessds, who stated himself to be the trumpeter employed OR that occasion. The Coroner here stated, that he had received a let ter which attempted to make it appear that the testi mony of the butler and two ladies' maids in Lord Hot tingdon's establishment, as we understood, was abso lutely necessary.—(A laugh.)—The letter was laid abide as unworthy of attention. After some discussion, it was determined, that Mr. Adolphus should cotnmence and conclude the examina tion of his witnesses on Wednesday next, provided tie examination of the other witnesses concluded at anesrly bottr on that day. It was further underslood that if any evidence could be produced to invalidate the testimony of any previotts witness, the Jury shonhl still have the polder of catliog such further witnesses as to them seemed necessary. Adjourned at nine o'clock, to Wednesday, at two. PORTUGAL. By the anima of the Stantner Par.ket at Faisoatis, letters have been received from Lisbon. o 1 . the 22d tilt. the contents of which are extremely Importaat. A general review-of the Portuguese troops, ender the orders of General Sepulvida, the military Command. ant of the City of,Lishon, it appears took place is the square of the Terreiro do Paco, in the pretence of the King, who had placed himself at one of thole dm* of the Rural Palace. Be ore the review oc cluded, the King being in conversation With several persons of rank, accidentally turned his baik . to the troops in the square. One of the first persons who noticed the circumstance was Oen. Sepulvida„ who ins.' mediately observed to several of the officers, that the King bad placed himself in that position in. order to show his contempt and disgust of the army. This be came the signal for a general uproar throughout every regiment under review, which vociferated from cliff side " Fora, Fora," (off, off.) This exclamation was addressed to the King. So great was the tumult al this' moment, that apprehensions were entertained that some acts of violence wonld be committed 0 the King, and all those around him. After a sheet interval, however, the King succeeded in nialsiaghin self audible, and assured the troops that nothing wag further from his intentions thin that of Wig ' guilty of what was attributed to him. Tito letter add, that the decTaration of the King had I effect of subduing the sager of the troops. This intelligence, which comes, indeed,, thronstk channel nut very fat ourahle to the new °isles 4 Jut* in Portugal has Writ followed by anuetwe piece a ig" formation of still higher interest.. The. AloattiNii 3111 P 17siened: o rema in, d I ran . it was formed the k at placed a s t ca vas at the righ t: vards Cumberland. Gore spoke to m e loke to a privat e or rsation with a G ea . o Lieut. HalL e his pistol out of saw nu other tram. g the whole o f t h e le detachment, and •umpeter. itinerary there. 11 and said, t: l4 an attended there is attended for th e g ht it his duty to Wu himself. f the person could s himself about to .evented by the d e . it was perhaps as • nu," The gemle,.