The Statesman. — London, England, 1814-02-12 00:00:00

DUBLIN, SATUAD.IT ) Fin. 5. • CATHOLIC BOARD. The Catholic Board met this day. The trial of the Proprietor of the Dublin Even- In, Past—the extroorainary verdict of Guilty pro flounced against that Gentleman—the more extraor dinary conduct of the principal witnesses summoned _ . on the part of the Traverser, excited in the bosom of I every friend to freedom, and every ft iend to justice, an honest anxiety for the opinion of this Body.— I That some conversation would take place is such an assembly as the; Catholic Board, on the last great *and import:1110(40ot, Prosecution, which so un equivocal!), involves, not merely the liberty of the press, but the petional safety and property of every man in Ireland, is not to be wondered at. Every eye in Ireland is still rivetted on the lait verdict against the Irish press—every heart is indignant—end, if report speaks not untruly, some of the Jurors themselves will long lament their verdict against John Nlasee.—The Board assembled at tour o'clock, and NI r. O'Connell moved that Capt. Bryan should take the Chair. Before we go further in oar Re por!, it will be necessary to. state, that some of the Menbers of the Board had been reading, in the •Board Room, the observations which appeared in the Evening Post of this day, on the singular proceed ings at the trial of Mr. Magee. Among others, Capt. Bryan was not the least inattentive observer of our opinions of his conduct at this celebrated trial— 'Capt. Bryan, reed our opinions with that sensibility which still demonstrates the influence of a Free Press over the melt Ittletrirfirits. This Gentleman was, however, called to the Chair, and was greeted with great applause by the Galleries. The Secretary rose to read the Proceedings of the last day, which having been read, Mr. O'ConNia.s called the attention of the Meet-, leg to the immediate Order of the Day—namely, a contintiatiott of &estimations of the Board to the .Parliameutary Friends of the Catholics. Mr. N. Manor; objected to an immediate adop tion of Mr. O'Connell's Resolution, and recom mended a revision of those %I hick had already passed to a Select Committee. Mr. FINN supported Mr. Mahon, and urged, io a very warm manner, the impulicy of hastily adopt ing the crude and undigested opinions of any indivi dual, without the necessary and essential considera tion► of a select few, who, in private, would be most likely to make the wisest and most prudent de. telissitotion on'subjects so important to the commu nity. tc L shall never (said Mr. Finn) silently sub ;ask to the adoption of any Resolutions in this Bonn!, . which aro. not the result of due and solemn delibera. or a Select Committee, who will debate and en- •quire at 'their leisure, their policy and good sense— particularly when the Resolutions are of such a na ture as involve the greatest interests of our Body.— To • individoal -suggestions, however high, I will "lever subalit, while 1 have a seat in this Assembly." Mr. Finn iMmediafely sat down. but, unfortunate ly, his seat happened to be the floor, the form.inro. 'llig been tlidoglul.essly removed by some other Mein iacident, . of course, created a laugh ; and. Igrk vciticiotsuch good humour, joined the getse_ral mertimentA bar. 9 6 GOILIMAN rvillO‘red Mr. Finn in the game eirssiev and urged the propriety of Mr. O'Connell's totak. TrWri.g idAWLSIIS considered the Motion of Mr. *short at a most extraordinary one, by reason df ( .:Mr. O'Connell's exceflent Resolutions or Sugges-; thins being carried unowimensly on the last day of --Meeting, and the - precedent which would set opal ..Committrev however select, to controul the whole Catholic Board, • was degrading in the extreme.— That the object • of such a Resolution could be no other than the abandonment of those great and Cote prehensive principles of Civil and Religious Liberty, which breathed through every Suggestinn . and every Resolution suggested on the last day by Mr. O'Con nell, and adopted by the Board. That such a pre cedent as Mr. Wiwi's should have been agreed to, unless the opinion of the whole Board was to be set • aside by the deliberations of a private Committee. Mr. O'Cosert.t. surrendered any attachment he might be supposed to entertain for his men Resolu tions. They had been adopted by the Board, and would, 1w had no doubt, be confirmed by that _Cody. Lie would not object to any revision, bow. ever rigid or severe. The suggestions were then referred to the consideration of a Select Committee. • CotritT OF KING'S BENCH, Fso. 8. THE LINO, AT Trig PROSECUTION OW VIE ATTORNEY- GENERAL, AGAINST JOIIN MAGEE. The ATTORNEY'•GEN gam, in this case, moved the' Court to appointe day for bringing up the Traverser 'I to receive Judgment. The CHIEF Jugice wished to be informed from llr. Magee's Counsel, whether it were his intention • to file an affidavit in mitigation of punishment. Mt. WALLACE WEI, that he bad not received any instruction" frntn Mr. Magee to that effect, but he ould todertake to inform their, Lordships at the : ._ •.eitting of the Court to-morrow. The Court fixed on Thursday neat for giving Judgment. °fn. Arson aryived iu town a few days since froat.Lard WsuaNOTOn's army. CONSIIT-GA MAN Tirwrig.7,—There was last night In 'Tier inlpitase to witness the reprepentatjon of Humid by Mr. KEDIV." It. was Miereittid as his last appearance in that Character during 'his present ongagiment—a circumstance which every amateur of .ths.dragnstie art kill seriously lament, as it is in truth o school for study in it. We must also ecting bear omannerur tes timony to the very perfect and aff in which Mrs. STIALIIIG' performed the cha racter of Ophcliu. In the wild' but pathetic tenderness of the ...airs she was incommonly happy, and particularly as she abstained from all extravagant ornament, and sung them with their n ative simplicity. M• l'icAgn, the well -known Dramatist, and Member of the French Institute, has "lately tres pro. dived, at Paris, a Novel, entitled ilven d'Eugene de Sennevilk et de Guillaume Delotnie." It is pronounced by the French critic to possess un common merit, and to be not unworthy the pen of LE SAGE. Copies are to he had at Coutuam's, in Conduit-street ; and the Translation iii also in great l'rwardness, THE S'!'A'!' 'SMA V To THE EDITOR or rwe STATESMAN. Slll,—Permit me to oiler a few remarks for in sertion in your Paper, as the organ of British inde pendence. I am not to inform you, Sir, that that independence can be insured,only by the pure, uninfluenced administration of. public justice; hut, am led to this - remark, by a paragraph which have seen in some of the daily Tapers, stating, that Sir JAMES IVIANSFIELI) is about to retire from the important station of Lord Chief Justiceof the Court of Common Pleas, and that Sir VICEMY Gums is to be.his immediate successor. I hope, Sir, that this latter report is not true; if it bp, I venture to assert, that a flagrant violation of constitutional principles must be the consequence. To the public character of the individual, Sir VICARY GIBBS ) impute nothing ; but, when I recollect, that in the first year of the present Reig n, an Act of l'arlia -1 meet was passed, which mad e the situations of the ; twelve Judges permanent for life, in order to secure their impartiality and independence; I say, that the promotion of Sir VICASIY Gums to the chief seat in the Court of Common Plea!, would be a gross in fraction of the spirit of that law. For how does : . the case stand ?- In the spring or summer of the year ; 1812, he is made a Nisi'. Judge of the Common 1 I Pleas; in the winter of 1313, he is made Lord Chief 1 1 Baron of the Court of Exchequer ; and, In 1814 (if I i report be true), he is to be removed beck , to the 1 1 Common Pleas, as Lord Chief Justice. Now t .if si Judge is to be continually looking to the Admitlis.. trai ion for this or that promotion, how can his sites- I tion be called independent ? What security have the ' public for the impartial discharge of his high functions ? If from the station of Puisne Judge, he is to be promoted to the office of Chief Boron of the lExchequer, and then to step up again to the-presi , dency of the Common Pleas, what is to prevent his aspiqing (if he shall manage well with the blinistera of the day) to that of the King's Bench, and even to the Great Seal itself? If this practice is to prevail, farewel to judical independence, farewel to the administration of justice, farewel to the protection of property and life. But I will hope that idle rumour alone has given birth to Sir Vic.tnir GIBBS'S further elevation. Sir VICARY ought tint seek it — the King's Ministers ought not to confer it. Fri: 10. ' _ PHILO-Bat lANN US. 7_ POLICE. ITATTON-G A RDEN.—Friday Charles Poulles., a shoemaker. came before the Magistrates at this Of f ice, and made the follow ing grievous complaint of the cruel and barbarous manner in ! which be had been used on the preceding evening at Mother Red Gip's, in • Camden l'own:—He stated, that on his way home from Highgate to town the preceding everaiag. he caged In at Mother Red Cap's, in Ciaroden u, to rest, and have a pint of beer ; be sat on a bench, near the tap-room fire ; there were three or four men in the room, all straugers to him, hot two of them, be learned from Mr. Young, the landlord, were constables ; that he had no conversation or dealing with either of them ; lie got op from where he sat to light his pipe in the tire, and in the interval between his standing and sitting, one of the men pulled the eel hot poker out of the tire. and placed it on the bench ; ma his sitting down upon it, the excruciating pain he was in made kiln jump up and err out wad piteously. which rai'ed their laughter. and they made a jest of him ; having oa only a thin pair of unlined breeches, and no drawers, about a foot in length across both the thighs of the breeches was burned • out, and the same length deeply burned across his thighs, into the flesh. Ou his demanding the cause of this wanton and crud treatment; he was laughed at, and answered by the ban *he " did it. that it was only a Inrk ; and that although there Were two • constables in the room, they refused to take the chary, hakes : he gave them the man's name and the charge to westing 4 s e not itnnet'--- ilanarwiminser vows., thiriff•trit f to write dosin,..torther with the charge, and delivered I tp the cotistableS, buThlia jftetinitted the man to eseape; that in the greatest agony be reacheif home, and having a wife and two ' children to maintain, was now rendered unable to work for their support.—The Magistrates ordered him a warrant tar the 'constables. NIARLSOKOO6II.IITRIFIR.—An extraordinary case of bigamy was heard at Ibis office on Friday, before It. USEER, Esq. at the snit of Mary Loy, the seeond wife, against John Jewett, otherwite Cox. The Prisoner, as it turned out, was an Mee ; Innate child, who took the name of Jewett from his father. He married the widow of a naval officer some years ag o, and in November last he married the Complainant. The father' and mother of the second wife knew the Prisoner had another wife , living; but as he was a minor at the Wit marriage, and had been married in his father's name, be was christened again the day preceding the second marriage, and the father and mother of the bride stood sponsors. This second baptism was to give the Prisoner his mother's name, Cox. It was urged also, that . the first wife was not married in her own name, so order that ; she might not lose her widow's half-pay. The Magistrate re i mantled the Prisoner for another examination. The Ministerial Prints have treated the American Embargo very lightly, and consider it as a policy is jurious only to that country : we are by no 111PailS of the same opinion. At the commencement of hosti lities, the Americans possessed a great temporary ad vantage, and the captures made by them, before our cruizers and blockading squadrons reached their sta. dons, gave a great balance of floating property in their favour. A change of cricumstances has pointed out a new line of conduct to be necessary. Men are wanted for the army, for the defence of the coast, and for ships of war now fitting out; all the hands embargoed may thus be dispo,:ed of to advantage ; but there is also an obvious effect of great national policy which it is intended to produce—the establish meet of manufactoi ies sufficient to render them hide. .pendent of this country in many valuable articles of ,consumption, fur which purpose they may be in duced to invest their capitals, with every prospect of adequate remundation. A poor man, named Morley, a working potter, lately took a house near Cobridge, in the Stafford ' shire Pottery. An immense heap of . hot Owl, cin ders, and scraps of printing paper, bad been for some clays thrown at a distance of twelve or foustein yards from the Itous, rather below its level ais ;ri a direction between it and the paint front- %hid! tbe wind blew with great violence, on the day and eight •of Saturday : this heap had been on fire, with con siderable flame, for eight or ten days. On Satur day night, the .2,9. th of January, the noisome vapour proceeding front this mass of fire had worked its way into the cellar of the house, and ascended to the chambers wherein this wretched family had laid doWn (except one) to rise no more! Suaday afternoou, a relation of the deceased, by means of a ladder, en tered through a chamber window ; a stench, the most horrible that can be imagined, contaminated the whole house ; one of the children was lifeless, the rest of the family showed symptoms of life, but were in a state of complete insensibility. Every aid that M edical advice could suggest, was administered: but the man died in a few hours; the woman and one of the, children remained in a senseless state until Tuesday,ll when they expired. Of this family; consisting of a father, mother, and three small children, the youngest only two years old, bas survived. 719 TIIE,REV. WYVILL. LETTER Xiir.7,r. ~:,;~ -T • • ,t, = • - • 1: the latter Wits pnra .temokslfire - - must needs he a resemblance, or rather at idea 145 because the York plass had in it ecoonasiCabiteitui with Triennial Parliaments, and the Purr pl .tt had neither of these, but plenty of somethinx•elge-.. A tine Fluellen, with his river at Macettni and his river at Monmouth, no doubt, would demonstrite a thisitn , right idealilq,• because one of our political rivers issued from the 'impolitic rains of motterao reformists, was traits: , arent and too shallow to- bide the pebbles of disappaiatmeet, over. •which it tan ; and because there was moreover another river Which flowed from thepolitiC proles Ofia. misek.refornti.t, a deep river and a turbid, that had gold dust its bed. And, mark you ;now, as one was a river and that is a plait; bad the other was a river, therefore a plan, " forc• says " there are figures in all (Wogs, so lo .)k. you; they are poll: alike;" and although there are not 44 salmons," theta are, to a certainty, gudgeons i.t path. We come now to 'oar fourth argument, that . the '" propriety" of the Yorithere plan 014780, " has been confirmed by a pr Tedenl, whichlinsvomplerely proved the ritacrioseitivr"--aye, " and the eili• eacy of the measure," Siamely,•the ilihernitni 44 pre ced.nt" at the time of the Union: Whethet..thisirA . intended to express siniilittide or identity likitt.l net he rash enough to decide,. If sisnifitutie, ,- the.:•!.tai measures, .for aught that I know to therCOTltraqi may have as much resesoldanee as there is Ilettresin . •4 I horsels shoe and a cove ' s tail ;• ithtentilm*asittnli. then have already ennat44 l . ttad"ltdli booligh i of the Hibernian' . precedent." The argument . ; in reality; is nntliltig Whrthsoinle44 there *ere a strict itlentil,y between the Yerhltire measure of 1780, the IPtrr plan of 1785, and the •frish precedent of 1800; mid sinless the thinctiol also of the six authorities had bites, confined to srintV ever was ,incitided within the . said idetitit* , andtttar!y made out. For proving this idenilly, you seem pretty closelrto harts' copii4l Lord Perste, in the Tale of a Tub, in what he says of his 44 brown crust," which had so wonderful an identity with all other ifood. - 64 Bread," says he, " dear hrothers,• is the Istaff of life ; in which brand is contained, tickle* the quintessence of beef, mutton, veal, venison, par.+ , (ridge, plum-pudding, and custard ; as well iti'the Wee natural juice from the grafte; itriee.of vintner's hrewings.";--" And, 'look ye;tieuttemen; to convince you, what a 'cesspit+ of blitd,:positire', igeorant, wilful puppies you ire, ftwilrise blit' one plain argument; - by G—, it is tribe; goOd,• tuttlial Mutton, as any in. Leadenhall hlisriet, and G--:= Cohn found you-both If ft:Alto offer to believe otherwise." - • , Strike, but hear! . Dela Sirt,—Having now dismissed the topic of. authority, I proceed to your second argument, namely, that your present measure is itkoticatly tht• !fame as. that which you adopted in 1780 ;• a rule. which, for the reasons I have, already as-, signed, Instrbeen more honoured in the breach than the observance. What! has neither writer nor speaker s within the last four-and-thirty years, added one iota to theAttiowledge in the science of Repro ! , sentation which Yorkshire, on the .`nth day of March, 1780, possessed ? Did neither a rtrouxoxe nor a Jews, neither a SUERIDAN nor a NORTHCOTE, neither a leitaNcts nor a FLOOO, nor a GaeY, nor an ERSKINE, nor a Loeur, nor a Worraaean, nor a Rearm, nor a BURDETT—did not any one of these, with Tally more, furnish her with one new idea ? DAttot the famous, the much-quoted peti tion of 179 i, drawn up by Mr. TIERKEI, throw a single light on the subject, that, in 1814, she it to rerat the same infant lispings she uttered in 1780? When, even so early as 1781, you thought the re formists had been foiled through their " own inex- ' perience.," will you now desire them to shut their eyes to the experience of so many eventful years ? In recommending this abidance by those lispings of 1780, mean yon a compliment to the isnderstandiag, or to the. di nify .of your "great and independent county)" it is not thus the political father of the Yorkshire-Reformists deals with those of whom he is the personal paront. Knowing the inestimable va lue of kiwiwleclge, for attaining happiness at pro seut and its future, he has not confined them to the same horn-book in shish he first taught them to spell, nor demanded of them a " pledge" never to read in any other book. No : with their increasing years and experience, he, with true paternal elle:, tiou, has stimulated them to read, to think, to in crease in wisdom, and in usefulness to themselvesand their country. Is it not, then, at this time of the day, rather with the latest, to dream of now shut.: ting in Yorkshire the book of knowledge, on the topic of national tepresentation, as inseparably con nected with taxation, in a free Parliament? With n hat sort of grace can you, my dear Sir,—you, who thirty-four years ago presided in the metropolis, as Chairman of the Deputies—you who, from that day to this, have held with the Reformists a correspon dence the most extensive—you who, from a yet un exhausted store, have already published six substan tial volumes, reporting the progress of latowledge and exertion—with what grace, I ask, can you, of all men, now desire the " great and independent county of York" to shut its eyes to all this mass of information which you yourself have laid before it, and return to the horn-book of Reform iu which it I spelt its lesson In 1780, for its guidance in 1814; especially when more than sixty thousand Yorkshire men, in their petitions, now in my possession, and soon to be.presented, have proved their knowledge of the Constitution in respect of representation, and have claimed for themselves and their fellor;:-countryinen the undeniable rights of English freedom 7—The policy, therefore, of a resolution to abide by the plan of of 1780, I contest, is too profound for me k el to fathom,: ,A. ..... And witirwht'the:grtive smile, *TM the gay . littvgh' when they shall. ,cad shit, hynirlOttie pf a fialitital traimuhstatilistitki:.ll.44lPiteraiipti thatr in that meagre measure, the Yorkshire " brown crust" of 1780, Is - Contained, lige/uaki," - the . rfrit pease of 1785, the purfillOssittif the : Irish' teOresetitatfOtt I ' and ever# : Other expitliaist .of " *or Ablest Statesmen," for thirty wary bgoic •, by the operation - of *lath Ott Patlitteferft, " amicably ttiti reforffiett, Win qbe' fnii nil so itrien4 by its IteitCY rirsed , vightt, toe piryietl,ale the: lilippy.totisitit'sr:i of 'the eiritiaht , thpnOlge l -thift'th% - is done damned brestiesigg'4llo3ur hunters-ant* tho'! * Op' afrarkiiite” WMCV" would leave veingtoriiarr " ; nothing stivoding . e . h it now is+ ?' r and hoic'yrel.tlialr Although to my plain, untutored understanding, compose their muscles to a beComitig &it l'''it eft the• sole discoverable tendency of R i 4, to diflid ilia* I s kiirit 6 r thet. 40114,_44,,, 0 k , . ..- .It cat Reform by continuing disunion among the R.lOl - m- to 4. 6 44iir v o u ii,„tt i llfitier ra ih, *fib ra i n t .d r iii. isis ; but, my dear Sir, 1 do at the haute time, as a I,.., razis invio i' iltort _ l _4 4llo .._ r *miner/et --etttstie4taft en Gentleman, solemnly assure xou, that I only, im. i 14 ' , enthatiasei,ilind:dbsSinateldeckheads . 14 . 6-11 r '41411 ode to.Nlr. Nti-vvtLc the fact, hut wholly absolve . 'skthiiiet if • it rgotnehr—hy ` G-j,'- lk= him from the intention. Of the genuine use het'clit. virtue ev , .r : shiremeilkidi77Bo iS 'eaiitiLinedciV i'llo , present to the heart of that Patriot, o man has a • • • • • u quititellifeell dr Ott Pa rliathentary "It.efortoflttd if stropger conviction than myself. ta-elfer` td bt , titil; atfitirssise, you itiallh btlindell This imputation of the fact of disurtifink, but too ~, bining riot, mob government,- rebellidaMiolii ziatinally grows out of the difference or oar opiniopl sto at , . onl, ,..f l o ..voi renc i h, f ij r ... aternization, and the s ion fit" on means of success. The same that. I now lin,r to a forkies ' invadetl iiir tloulit p to you,. you in3putepnysFlf and others. It •7‘ . I , thigilind'of Catholicy ettort.fropv Me a smite, I 'sli b t'' iwiliOn ingredient in your gefiersil visa probation y rel e l ..., fa , r my pardon on theiglike/ini spirit of hrot ' r of ... wit adherence to ou r own pr ciples and unnleraPitEn, who, in Mel i'efipect, is the reverse opits ol s f e ? In your Letter of the th of July, "efidentified with the brother PETER 'Of Wiwi peat.' 17 - Mr, Prn, you attribute the failure in Par. , the 18th ,K likibili fourth sad last argument, we are *tree agni4l - !imagist if ,iiis plan of Reform, moved on beset round to the old point. of ' 4 eitAcitc.vert443r,'" of .14641' 1785, to " the dissensions among the ye ., v en& lam glad bf it i heeaustrit gives mean tat. -rimat)tdarorates of reforosetiont ;" that is, to those .„ tvity'bf observing, that no writer I hive as `y tkalli: who 441 not give to that very defective plan the same. o f , env''. d approbation and support which you your. rt given one scrap Of a direct, OnsoPhistical ii*- i self g . st it. Yoa go on to say, 66 r:the .i.t : r Sir GEoua;E CsceY, nor y4urlelf, 14.12. But it. union -*weir to the *err utittieretis arguments, for dernott:- bad b thus effected, your task would have been strati** that V•astiratr*efortit Menet.; 'realty Pit• Ad. 1 far 1 "arduous than it actually was ; and your ef r ...... efts 4 -14_CAIM T .F., Whiefiiii the' etibise, of the fast four forts, all lasmax probability, would hope b "e tc% 41. * ' .i llicc have es: been ' f a o li i ( l t ed 7 "4 6 4: g e t: i n el e l e ., "Irrs Sir Lei ' " tor e ; beoetellbAr6dlllilk"jui::::;:tilelniSitiffiroilcxei,i'ihnlthien ,11,4e il c sa r y o:c . • , perience a d disunion§;"-" and , thus acting tvithovo 'P ra to 1 11 1 , 6 1 14 4 1 ~.1 49/6Wi we i la t t o r i tirn iot ; 111 ,3 1 r i l o i ' m t ) I , he tiri ci ; : a c t. ta titt r l e e r % I ateadittes4„,without concert ) epa uniformity o f p lan, . thetot yourielf Dreg him. i . n ility have been bowed b , Abe', art and activity, 1 I had, indeed, imagtbed oat; by those several ti:R. isnion and regularity : lie 41se c ipline of the tnercena -1 dustbins, the question hnd been set at reit, Ii( 811 I, ries of the Crownpv • I I :- controversy on that poiet had been at an, eis ; on., 1 , Thus, then, 1, t is on both sided agreed, that we , indeed l' still thlnkft is t:thr 'surely, welfiV.P.:iiiit 0 r t•iw tor ision. tin which side soever tjte 1 dignify i a' f o r with the titie ofitdfscc' ro, ***le fonilnine:lffeill error lie jwe not hose) get ql.l of. ikly Woo., t w o - Tolor prej o ief , trg "„ theito . 4 . the itptie Ng In , ' ha g nat ern 1 0440,.. th'errifirier, of reason i orargUinent olti sopt.cili; ' ion, spleni& ef. or angry WO. • . • 14111clo aims with sai lor ourlig , ttsvd, the tiontliltilla4. eg. our corona. i , fostaits, Rion; a* lOW ili by terperately, Conscientiously, .16flitpr,.400, jets ; . ..... ...„ t 0?... , ,- . : . S rood with etinidoutollow!ng all duo weight to the I am furt f , - . bitA lad crit - yeil . : ' riA - to 44 ;bi't's. t l 4l 7Y u o in u t r ii lik ti ild ° a a r r g: q ate t t r ri e s r , si t a h i n c r ° '' n bl i g t :kri . . sew ' 'eftet , : - 4 , 74,.. : 7 1 7 ,,, : b be . :1, 11 2w 64" : 40 fuk r!i ti0: e i t ...7: 1 :0 5 j i4ft e . ri ir f b i i ii it a l e . :!ait il l t l : . k it ;oniet leers, acceptkd the measure of, 1780, frown . the slo , ;ert . of ith e i wietidt ,. .. ... ,, blielJiVirflett, 4410 . 440 end servant, 11everkehire and ot h e r counties, and w hcnprinc , tp , sl j:Minister, offered it to• Parliament. ' ' Wh en voo ',wrote thys a suety' you must have heels in a . dream. , • ' ''''l.l4xttig .oAlrriVtl [fart That menace of 1780, %vas con fi ned to. three Specific 'objects : sire Ist, .Econnonical Reform; the 2d,, Ali A i difisi , 7 4 - 4 ,F0ravh . tr . 4414084,9 . _ : , . :. 1 ., ibid. , addition twills thee 558 Members. of ilia !louse of , L . f . 0.1 ..,! !, .- Ai. irtft , ilt . • During fitutel!te severe *Cher, Coalmines I . 100, to be chosen .by the . counties-; ~IfiginiD u s lo . - ..' the 3d, tinial, Parlientel,Oe : whYPSak.....i.. 4 4 7 2 whilst tits peoverert dielisidog -so much front want only to r to.yoise own bookl to show t ••tast b - eud cold ft four)isios t viirsettpectable appearance, ae. . ... -- . to . tiseen a Iglu. m a rm., and their respective plans, it sv tild . muire the logic of a Fluellyn to make out a ,.or rather the identity con. tended for lu the rem. Apccrding to the Welsh Captain, Hrsay V. was LIKE ALEXANDER the Pig, because the former was . porn at Monomial, and ...-- companied by& fifth in gheelrb of a beadle, applied to several.of Ofelehilfrtenti V llety.le.bonne,. and and the adjohting'pariOes, fat contribtrifons, In aid of a ftnechtehicis they said Alts forming &Pap re. lief a the poor _in emayailles they succeeded and obtained trarieeslems. They were provided with n book r inavitich they entered the names of the .sub - 0 "Itcy%i!l'a Polit. Pap. 1.364. scribers and the sums given; before the fraud was iv yvetra Path. Pay.'lV. 30. t discovered, it is .opposed the '' bad collected upwards Ihid.4 t ibid. LT of 1001. Similar frauds have been practised in rad. . lb.. ous parts of Islington and the City-toad, and, is sui wyvars At. Tap. Val. 11. p. 372.393 i aid Vol. IV. posed, by the same gang. p. 103. 117. ! - 0 & .. . , . .. 9 •' r ya '-: '6. • ' • . ' •••• ..' : *;•;', ' '''. •-, , . ,• , . ..................... ...' 4 , iiii 4i 4o.. . ' .' N:. . - Gi/ a ISTOPIIE a WYVILL. the latter Wits prim a4satokst-re - the.' - 110 bortc..llltiik • ' must needs be a resemblencei or rather al identity, . . -....... - LETTF:IL XIV. --, $.: 4 • • * • .use the rork plan had in it econemiCaPitetto" , g •.. • . with Triennial Parliaments, and the Prrr p/ .1s * had Strike, but hear! , . . .- neither of these, but plenty of something •elge-.- A ring now dismissed the topic of. true Fluellen, ~ 1 -: with his river at Mouton and his eed to your second argument present measure is identically the rivet at Monmouth, no doubt, would demonstrate a 4hisitn,right irknlita,• because one of our political . t i you adopted in 1780;' a rut 7: • rivers Issued from the 'impolitic rains of moderato the reasons I have, already as-, reformists, , •.: • was tratis:,arecit and too scholia* to- kiJe more honoured in the breach than the pebbles of disappoiatmeet, ever. •which it tan ; - .' • What! has neither writer nor , 1 and because there was moreover another river Which. t lost four-and-thirty years, added flowed from the politk ma i ns of , * raock.cefornti-t, lwletige in the science of Repr o e 7 I.; i a deep river and a tothid, that had gold dust io ili forkshire, on the lath day • 1 And, - mark oil mow, as one was a river messed ? Did neither a armixostu bed. and that is a plait; lead the other was a river, r a SUER . ' DA N nor a NonTucoTE I i therefore a plan, " forc• says Plitellen, " their nor a FLOOO, nor a Gaee, tncoor; I are figures in all things, se lo.)k. you; . they are youth It LOFT, nor all HITBREAD, one of alike ;" and although there ore not 44 salmons," theta V Bu Li D ETT-11 Id not any more, furnish her with one new i are, to a certainty, eudgeons io loth. W ' e come now to one fourth argument, that - the c, he famous, the much-quoted yeti- 1 " . r propriety" of the Yorithire plan 014730, has k n up by Mr. TI ER NE 1 , throw a I subject, that, in 1814, she it to i been confirmed by a pr Tedent. which lins.completely f , rant lispings she uttered in 1780? I proved the riractioteitiTy"--aye, 14 anti the 01.. i eacy of the measure, +namely, the iliberbitili 6 4 pre- nrly as 1781, you thought the re- ced.ot" at the time of the Ustion: Whethet..this.b.... • foiled through their " own lair- intended to express siniilittide or identity, litlittl not '''• ' nu now desire them to shut their, he rash enough to deeide' If sistiiitude ' ' 1" '''‘ enee of so many eventful years- • -: ' . • -.,-... this abidance by those li,pings of l measu * rea ' ' fur aught that know to th""trari'' have as much resesablenee as there is 11411Weain .. •4 complim , e , n g t r t e o at th a e n t a sd i t ii r d s e t p a e u i d i zg• ii I h m o u r Y sets shoe And a etrits tail ; . itigentiimitp. eits , ni , • N. of your t• • I then I have already had ennaigh l • it nd'avali arimigh, .. at thus the political father of the of the Hibernian" . preredeql." fists deals with those-of whom he is .• -:"• •• • : it. * Knowing The inestimable va- 'the ar g ument ' IA reality, is nntlilli g ""illini°44 there *ere a strie.t identity between Hie York:hire ~ for attaining happiness at pre- measure of 1780, the IPtrt. plan of 1/85, and the • . , he has not confined them to the 4rish precedent of 1800; end sinless the Sanctity* . • in which he first taught them to also of the six authorities had been confined to what= led of them a " pledge" never to ever was included within this said identity' , etidtiasiey book. No : with their increasing ;made out. For proving this identity, you seem _ 1 ence, he, with true paternal rain- . I ed them to read , to think, to in- T. pretty closely-4o hare . copied Lord PrrErt. in the / l e of a Tub, in what he Says of his" brown crust," and in usefulness to themselvesand ' ; it not, then, at this time of the I foo d. wideil , I r dso wonderful , nil ,i,de,n"lll, sills nil olhei. it in which bread is contained, jacks** 4 Bread," says he, -- near orotoer4,. s the the latest, to dream of now shut.:la. e the book of knowledge, on the it s h a e - qu o i f il l t i s r :s ; ence of beef, mutton, veal, venison, par-. representation, as inseparably con- (ridge, plum-pudding, and custard ; as will isithsl itiiit ~.. ion, in a free Parliament? W llatural ith juice from the grnfte ; - none. of yistiii4antaiti • e can you, my dear Sir,—; you, who :th .V'-" ago presided in the metropolis, nsi"er's brewt"." And, 'lookoSi yeentiemett; to convince you, what a 'ciouple of blitid,:positire; Deputies—you who, from that day ignorant, wilful puppies you ire, ftwill 7 trite hitt' one d with the Reformists a correspon. plain argument'; -by (.I—, •it is trdei good,• natirril tensive—you who, from a yet.ano Mutton, as troy in Leadenhall !inlet, and G--:-= cite:. # - . have already published six substaii... , found you bOth eteritalty,' if f citt . to offer to believe ordng the progress of knorckdge th what grace, I ask, can you, wt 1 otherw i se" " And l they witlretOt'the:grtive smile, *Ott the gay . 11ingh s ' 1 - , .sire the 't great and independent whei .. /". shall• ro Mad O, bynirlrtne of a polities' ' to shut its eyes to all this mass of I transubstaiitiatten:. it..444Poetii'iapti thatr in ihat i -,:.- , 11 you yourself have laid before it, mengre i measure, the Yorkshire " brown crest" of • ..,: ; horn-book of Reform iu which it i i'• • n 1780, fur its guidance in 1814 ; ' l7B° ' '' 6 •Cintainedi ' l464 " ..ivis ' " -the Pl-n' l it" 1 -.. : 1785, the purylli*Ossitef the Irish' RePreseritathmi la t ' vote than sixty thousand Yorkshire- ' ,„11 . 1 and every .inner expedient .of " our Artie ions, now in my possession, and soon I IZ I 8 , Ct.' . foe thirty years beck ;by tbe effect teri ration have proved their knowledge of the I - .".. e ."""' "1 esprit of representation, and have I T Wnlell dn '' t 133°14114e • IT ' " " nit* * 4114 its i l t ". reformed` Will qbe fnitni so iteient, by its ow). In. uselves and their . fellore-countryinen{t- ights of En zli‘h freedom 7—Th e i - f ix " sed lig 6 'tit , to e Pirflet l,37.o 'tile laipky..r t onstkit_r t g .. he Britt tauptiteeY'-ehtit"thfits iiiitte sir , of a resolution to abide by the ! i l:': I contest, is too profound for me ' he bretelefe4f pin'. hunters *rte the "' ttul - '•ett i • # ' ftVl:-",-.:7.-'t itasd4ai-4--9-- • • ar tamer' s, w is " watt d leave nastcm. ' 1 o'hing staildingso it • • .t. so ty plain, untutored understanding, i-‘ ' • • now ". • and hunt'' i ,able tendency of it i 4, to d,:f . , , nd • compor their muscles to a beComitig gl t-i ff laint :, , A %NW' .16 further. 41111i50 1 .4.1v0k leni 9 riming disunion among - the li;:.form- 1.. 4 ear Sir ; Ido at the haute time, as al, to A j _,.....,...Y 611 . 111661 r a/ 'LL__.l& of rail:, , ightsratt s 40- fries —lshetinititsk en • , muly assure you, that I only im. i g e . : 1 2 " , "" 4 4 1 71, t t: 11 , 1twn • :TILL the feet, but wholly. absolve . 6. ! . "ir."''':7'l*6)clt*eftle ./4610 'll4ll use het 'dtutribkiiii it rg istne4r—hy - G—:-; 'OW= !mtion. Of the genuine virtue ey,-e , • shiremeithitrei et T7BO ii 'eniitilittetin ;'' tire .:., earl of that Patriot ) It o man has a , . ti uiiitt4lllhoo dr di Pe rlillitefleal ifteroirtiPand if ' ion than myself. • * ttais:siffet: td believe otherwise , you ithallbe Minded I d on of the fact of disuniting, but tool • 4Tdbining riot, mob government,- rebellinn p yliolii- out of the difference of 'oar oPinri tion,lorench frates:nization, and the steutetion of success. The same that . I now ~ • • i' t& ...ciseinitly 'io a forkitis ' invader . 2i Should to imputep.myself and others. It , • - ' thilkind'of Catholicy ettortfront Me a smile,l's,„l„ . ileac in 'your general visa probation y rely' far my pardon on tisikidtikirlinir spirit of lirot ' r cerence to our own pr ciples aud CgartroPiten, who, in Mal respect, it the reverse rout Letter of the th of July, • "eliden , tilted with the brother PETER' Of iittei peat: rrr, you attribute the failure in Par- S lbiti fourth and last argument, we are mice agaih- tlan of Reform, moved on the 18th beetled round to the old point•of ‘ 4 enicitc.taraity," to " the dissensions among the va- and' lam glad Of it : bee.uefit gives me an oiggatits* of reforeintiont ;" that is, to those nity'bf observing, tha , t , am writer I ha ve as `yo.l r 1515 1 .. e to that very defective plan the same.. of, ,tor Sir GEOlidE -.ALLY, InOT ptitleil, 610a- robation and support which you your- . then° given one scrap of a direct, Ortsonloistical lifi- You go on to say, " But if union . .11 drsto thatthe very . 'intineeetis argu m e n t s, for deifil:i•n:- • • ffectesi, your task would have been *W it hg nide 1 reforin elerie as really piad- a than it actually was ; and your ef. _ - CABLF., Obl!...biiit the' Mitrke. of the fast four i :- T wu tscc a e rs ut p ; r , o , b a ob tut ilit y a cm , would base : l er ° .r . T r ywr. ,_. , bile . been otitiskedlictite v ooierisim, in me Sir Latter, (pike Ittdrquis of InhAssroac, ils the Ai. t have been foiled ' 6 front their tines- . 4 tititionv ,_ 4 amd thus iciiiii; ivithoto 1/Sedliolii 14 1 11.8 if ;:•vir sitilined in the ciimitat let. . tel. iitilleellWlWe. Baronet ; or in my privatel#ttet's 4 • . A hoot concert s aid uniformity of plan, bra fled by, Atii , art and activity, the i stb Y' °urliell ' or tb him. . . , 1 . Itad, indeed, ima,lbierl that; by those several ti . R. . i ,14 ularitkOr4ist r ipline of the mercena- 1 olvelpy . 1 dussidns, the question land been set at reit, te, t all .-controversy on that point had been at au,a4l • and, • _ • , : ttle on both siried agreed, that we `dignify l' still -thin kit is t:finr 'surely, weW,:iat . t,), •• • ,-. - 1 gnify with the title of otitscu*.lon,.' fenilnlne: teas* '- ' I. - er r viden tin which side 'meter le i - ire ant hope evet kkl of. 4.)v' , s- wro f 1 ,. • ~. , _ Poi' s9l4aosAis'ervaseq4stiojeis: of reason i vil " r p re i9ur ea r 4 0 4 'to, 1 ?eati'm the itpreltottm , irk the ConlifitSoo4.l4 our comps- ' 6raltillleut chi "t all/ '. . . ion, ,plenty' et' ; , fusions, or angry itri' . . 4 .-1.16' 4 A . gi by temperately, Conscientiously, .. og . . 4 , ...,..; . P ~ -. ..o wall stitl,:ied- suy s ,aitowitg all duo weight to the , !. t . n g' .".. ) M s s l3l. .• , ',. .; J! r?. 7 4 . ' •. ' :.i am trtc•mlittdtif ride ' ng"to "r tltiitto 0 tar controversial Opponents? . .;• - argument is, that 46 MT. Plrr glair e l' ilb4Y ";' ' ' beett ' s t' atifklili It 4 if ba**eu If ii . fee - * • "- - • aeceptkd the measure of: it 80, froth „t 4 i i , ; (141115 ,, be t t a r erie l•-• .lhlitt't.,o6t.tbP.i.e,i,l shalt It other. counties, and when principal '7,7,", ..u.,-,7,,"f e , : ...... • o tp- ~ • .4 - • qv - 104i .., dolt Sir ; - - ' red tr to• Parliament." 'i/iThen yao ' - ' " I " l "Airle t igf + 46. Arfd r . and servant, ;., , iteky you must have been in' a . dream. . - of 1780, was con fi ned - to. three specific . ! ... t • :' ..' 1 .1 . 1 147 . .CAlLTivit tali% ' • , • Ist, .troonsnical Reform • the 9.. d,. Ail 4 icitiittAr . )forLthrr44: l 4,49:, t. ibid. ?i I' 1 thei! 558 Members of t he ' House of , .•- ' i-' ' •' f. f,?' 0-4 • *,- !*, .- ,1 4 . ' F A h p * 'il late severe 'Number, . • . i 100, to be chosen by the counties; whilst the ti tte u petc : w 9 e g ra th rotiall 'lt ts 'so much froth want . tiniaA, ParliaMents : whereas I have and c Id 1 o fa our aten,T,Preeppectable appearance, o ynisi own bookll to show, that be- -O.E. dad a PITT, and their respective companied by a fifth in the *I). of - a beadle, applied ae • 11 ''.. Id . require the logic of a Fluellyn to to sever/a - of' t.WelabibrtentiNfilltry.le4bonne,' awl seni l 61011; .or rather the identity cott. and the adjoin' ing'pariOes, fit contribitifottl, to aid ° f he ' of a fetid "'Which they said *its forming foP the re. tDoEtitheihleVpe Pis, lief of oh :I' poor. _ in stsaariille s they succeeded and it V. Sa r : l ll,lLl C A nr i d uAls ni, I obtained IM Nen. 'I hey were provided with is ~ 'ormer Wes :pOrn it Monmoitth, and - , !--o ..v -- . book r inaritich they entered the names of the sub. N lit. Pap. i.SSR. f ' scribers and the sums given ; before the fraud was -, ~ tn. Pap.l.V. StS. - discciterad,lt Is suppOsed th i, bad collected upwards , I. . of 1001. Similar frauds have been p racticed in rail- . ,„- ' ous parts of Islington and the City-road, and ) it sup- Ilk ' *S e' "h IL -P4 3 72 . 311 1 CO Vol. Ilf. posed, by the same gang. '. , ‘• : • • . . • 1 • - . , e .„...„..........„....„..------ - .. s.