The Statesman. — London, England, 1820-08-24 00:00:00

Lord Lavotamar..—Was this oonvertation CoPer& at Milan before the witness went to Vienna. ot steer hi• cetera from Vienna ?—Before be went to 1 1,111132. thistles, Majoeci was ordered to withdraw. 'the Arrostraw-Gananax then called Lis neat nit- Did-witness aeconspany the Princess Jerusalem ?—Yes. Daring that journi, e did this tlay ?--T hee trarell all nig§t, They rested tinting t hoot of When they rested in the day. tent was raised after they war from Jerusalem. At tl-' did Diemen rose to put some questions upon the tole ifre,before the witness wit th orn. Of *hut religion was the witness I.—A Catholic Ayegiviic Roman. Wheu did he last take the •scrament ? The ATTOANIIT-OHNFRAL objected to this gttestion. The Loss CHANCELLOR was of opibion that this "tertian ought not to he asked. At what tent Bergand were raised. we dined. In ono Princess. In this tent was placed a piece of matting like this (pointing .. another ked. Does he know who slept in that tent ?-1 km, the Princess slept there, because her bed was there; bet 1 know not about the oth►rs,.as I myself went to bed. ►►'here (1;11 Ilergami sleep thwit - the day ?--I deal . .. Mr. DENMAN 'aid he understood hr should be able to, log know, as I went to dinner i but I fiery— Mr Ihtstmsx interposed. The witness has given a show that no oath was binding upon persons professing I ; • • • complete answer to the question. Any sperniathon be 1h e religion of the witness, unless they had taken the sa- might entertain, which his fancy or imagination nosy 1 rament within a certsin time. It it should appear surest. cannot be received as evidence in say Cont. that the witness had not co taken it, he apprehended calling( itself a Court of Justice. it would be an objection iv liminie to the e‘ilience of The ATTORNEY-GENERAL contended that the whets this I.vitness. answer given by the witness to the interpreter 'Wahl The Loao CHANCELLOR decided that this question !be first hes ril---their Lordships would then judge llthe ther it was to be received as evidence or not. suight not to b. put. and the witness was sworn. i Mr. Darrid tr.—The witness has glees a full ask The Arroaxst-OaraisAL proceeded to examine him. 'to the question. The interpreter was about to stale Of what cowry was be?--11e was a native of . speculation of the witness, which no man could conies Naples. i weer to he received as evidence. What was his occupation ?---Ile was Captain of a , The Louse CIIANt ELLOR—Unlev. we know the whole matchaninsan. of the answer which the witness has given to the inter • peeler, it is impossible to say whether it Is evidence or Was be part owner of the vessel which he command ed 7 —Yes. What was his share ?---One-fourth. Was be in the month of April, l'l6. mare of a ship commanded by a person of the name of Cargiatio ?---- Yea. What wan the sire of the vessel ?----shout 300 tons. Does be reintornbcr the Princess of Wales coming on hoard that ship at Angnsta in Sicily?----Ile does. To what place did the vessel sail from Augusta ?—To Oinegiendi, where there was not sufficient water for the slitzied from thence to Tunis. be know the names of those who accompanied her Rival Hightail's ?—Alrnost all of them. Let the witness mention the names of those whom hr reimilett..—There was a certain Bartholomo Count Schiawani, William Austin, Theodore, Carlini, a. d Ceceo the cook (Cecco being an abbreviation of rancisco.) Were there any females 7 —1 believe the Conntess Oldi was there; there were two maids, Dumont and Brunetta, and a little child named Vittorina. When he first sailed from Augusta to Tunis, whether he knows the situation of the cabinet appropriated to the Princess and Madame Oldi's sleeping room ?—The cabinet was'clivided Into two parts. On the right hand was the bed of her Royal Highness, and on the left that of the Coontess Oldi. Wu there a dining cabinet outside this ?—Theta me. Dots he know where I3ergami's cahieet was the' first cabinet on the right hand immediately beyond the dicing room. T4e Interpreter said, he did not know whether he meant beyond it in a straight line, or towards one of the sides. Ask Wm that.—The witness described the situation of the cabinets upon the table. Time whole length of the ship seat divided Into two nearly equal parts. The two lateral parts were divided into small cabinets. One of these small cabinets w h ich was most near the poop, ard near the dining room, was that of Bergami. Did the dining room extend along the whole breadth of the ship? Mr. DENNAM objected to this way of putting the gees ties. Instead of asking to what point of the ship the Axing roam extended, the Attorney-lieneral led the ritness to the affirmative answer which was expected f• am him. The A'ToaNav-Otvrset. denied that it was a leading wiestion, and contended that it would he utterly impos sible to examine a witness, if Counsel were confined to the test, which Mr. Demises) laid down. Ile was aware that he was not entitled to ask whether the dining room d:d not extend along the whole breadth of the ship, that course would be permitted in cross-examt not. Mr. DENNI4N—lint, my Led, should it not be eel• deuce. consider the effect. The interpreter repeated the former answer—l don't know, as I went to dinner ; but I imagine— Mr. Dem:ism—Stop. 'My Lords, such evidence can not, according to the clear and known principles of British law, be received in any Court of Justice. The Loan ( . 11ANCIILLOR-I'he witness could not be stopped until their Lordships knew he had stated what could not he received as evidence. In my opinion the ment it was communicated that he was about to state what he imergiuctl, and not what he bwrr, be should ant be allowed to proceed. It is for their Lordships to decide. The remaining part of the an- wee. adverting to the fancies and speculations of the witness, was consequently suppressed. Did you ever see Rergami reposing antler any tent —(lt was inipossihle for the Reporter, from the rapidity of the Interpreter, to learn accurately the answer ; some said it was "often," others " no." When at Jerusalem, were you present at any church ceremony ?—I was. Was the Princess present ?—She Iraq. What was the (Tremont. Austin, and fichiavani, were made Knights of the Holy Sepulobre. Is that a Catholic Order ?—lt is ; it has something to do with the holy sacraments. Whilst at Jerusalem, was any other Order conferred on Bergami ?—Yes. Did you remain at Jerusalem with the Princess or return before her to Jaffa ?—I went to Jaffa before her. Did you embark at Jaffa on board the same ship with the Princess and her suite ?-1 (lid. After vou left Jaff.e, was any tent made on the deck of the vessel?—There was. Was that tent closed at night?—lt was. Was any sofa or bed plated nosier runt tent ? There was a sofa and small bed, the same u woo Won need. How were they placed under the tent ?—They made an angle with a little distance to pass. Have you ever assisted to close that tent at night ? Yes. Who was in the tent when you assisted to close it?— The Princess, liergaini, and some person belonging to her Royal Highness's suite. Have yon ever seen it raised in the morning ?—Yes. Whom hare you seen then ?—For the most part, the Princess, Brigand, and the child. When you saw Berpmi. how was lie deemed ?—He had his lower dress on, and above a Grecian espote--a species of morning gown—what was called a fog's, wit► long sl Ha, tisfragh cation. flo LORD CISANCRI.LoR gni IVO you ever stirgestell that the qttestion _ n *ght he !tot in form—" flow much of the breadth o. the ship did the dining room oa•cups i" bare. For how low Mr. DICXMAY 'acquiesced - in this mode of putting the question. It entirely removed the objection to which the AttorneyOrneral's question was liable. The witness replied, that it extended along the whole breadth of the ship. To what place did the witness sail from Tunis ? To Malta. After the witness left Tunis. did Bergami continue to sleep in the cabinet in which he had slept before, or did he sleep in any other part of the vessel ?—His bed was removed into the dining room specially (pirs perticolanwesete) towards the right hand. of the dining room. Was the right hand side of the dining cabinet TI Meer or farther from the Princess's room than the left heed side?—The chamber of the Princess was on the right hand side, and therefore the right hand side of the dining room was nearer to the Princess's chamber. Whereabouts was the door leading into the Princess's bed roots ?—The MOM of the Princess had a door lead ing into the dining room, and the bed room had madam door of cos ssiasicatioa with the chamber of the DON 01Heitaewv. Was this door within the chamber of the Prisons ? Yes. the chamber of the Princess was divided Into two, chambers, one for the Princess, and the other for the Anse d'ffressintr, by a pointed canvas. Beyond this 'was a partition, in which was the door of cononn. nication. When 'impairs bed was removed from the dinin room, how far was it from the door which into the Priocess's bed-room ?—There was a wooden partition, which separated it from the rest of the ship on one side, sad sear tiw canvass on the left hand was the bed of the Princess. Nearly In the middle of the partition was a door which led from the room of the Princess into the dining-room. On the right hand in this dishes room at a proper distance was situated the bed Of Ori gami. If the door were open,could a person in the Ma= bed see &rimers bed 2—Why nog? in Con a person might be in Bt u's bed, 170,11 asst help seeing the bed of the MINN 1111106 door wif open. Belt a person might stood op Ip•ihmgassi's hod tit such a position as act to see the Med the Prioress; if he stood upright be could not me. bpi is any other position he mess see it, as it was in thrum' line. Bow .say doors were there from iB9 passage Is the middle lute the diainprooms ?—Two deers. After the ship sailed front Tunis, Mae one of thine, dews sieved t—Yes. it was nonstop. Attila' this, was there one esteem° or more into the dieing-newt frees that passage ?--Onesther deer. what -places did the witness sail, after Ise' Tessin 1-IPreat Tunis thry_ pretiesistl to Melts se the Mud ef Mile. Mei. i coe M er they west te St. Asa d'Aere, had Jesesisia is *it Aft 0611116. FP*, wilY°ll:ithee7lula.l7-81"FiNaribilletillibeditii— i titlire d ell i ta‘le n Tb ot14 1 1 1 : 1 m illftd.re Wb o ero suppod did in the room where there were five perso ns, the c oo .; sevell am by fi ri7: xed at — Mois t; eilliftedes iaa, be: he follow ?—He is a pilot I Theodore, and others whom Ido aot know. I P as an officer. l'attentioa to dun& Did you sup together afterwards ? night. 1 took tea. On what day rid you ease over from Diopp Brighton ?—,Yesterslay I arrived. It wa s T otals M rsst I set out hton. B from Dieppe, and i n the esouiro. rig Mr. Dersams asked this witness no further q • Mr. Knotronaw trusted that his Learned Need... himself might be held as reserving the right sßsie es cross-examine any witnesses that might have left Lordships' Bar, if, at a future periodof the p the should see occasion to do so. • The Lotto CHANCELLOR observed, that their ilia. ships would judge for themselves, on any occasieu ing such as that alluded to by the Learned Genta l , , and would do whatever justice might seem to regai n .. The ATTORNET-GINESIAL begged to ask the 1 6 t . nesses two or three questions arising oat of the em u . examination. Have you not an interest in a ship which yo u id Messina ?—Yes. What sise is your ship ?-269 tons. Is not the allowance of $OO dollars a 'stoat's, ,yid, y ou talked of, paid for the value of the unemployed slay —for demurrage ?—Yes. Is that, in your judgment, more tha n as adespuu compensation for the loss which you sustain in sow quence of the ship's being uneutployed?-1 amino know whether you mean as compensation for the or for labour? For the ship's being unemployed for the tine: --h 000 dollars are not for the mere hire of the ship sad th e crew as carriers, but for what we might derive fro. ow own trading. We might lose by trading, but we aright gain a great deal. Taking those circumstances into ronsideration, is tie stipulated sous more than an asleqnate compensation':— I cannot tell. If my speculation were w succeed, I should gain more. But if my speculation were to kit, I might lose more. By Earl GRET.-11 wish to know where the witnew's ship is now?----1 left her at lessiiia. Was it about to sail on auy other voyage when the witness left Messina?---No. Mast the ship remain unemployed daring the wit. ness's absence do not know . Is it not probable that he may he seat oat by the other proprietors so the usual trade ?--Why not. They nay put another Captain in her and seed ha MIL That would hurt my business. Then I am to understand that the eampesssfies Is for the witness's absence, and not for the ship's beiag name ployed ?—For leaving the ship, aid fer losing that which we might make by our trade. Has the witness any share, as a proprietor, of the fourth part of the ship, In the profits wade by any auk in his absence?—After deducting the espersees of the vessel, the fourth part of what is made by freight's given me ; bat none of what may be derived by the other proprietors from the profit of 'pentodes' is trade. Then I am to understand that the witnessabasa slew in the profits of the freight, but not in the profits of as merchandise?---1 have no share in the prella a Ile merchandise, as I am not present. le the voyage from Jaffa. how away sass usually ou deck at a time, at night ?—Half the me on watch for four hours. The other half were la Then I am tq understand that only ten at sailors were on deck at a time at night?—lV When there was bad weather all the crew deck. Were those who were on the deck in the be I walking up and down ?—Except the man at the. and some who were shoat the horses. the others about. same name ?—Yes, certainly, aboard the ship 7—Yes, pilot. . crew consist ?-0( twee- -- ty-two. These sailors were constantly employed in mancnover lug the s►ip ?—They were hob employed in manceaver ing (be ship and in the service of the Princess. Hoe you seen any of them lately ?—Yes. Warns" t—Vinoengis Oerdnao, die maser of the ship. Hive you seen no other of the crew lately ?—No. Hare you seen any of them within half a year ?—Two months ago t saw a sailor, but during the last six nsataths, as Messina is a thoroughfare, I saw others of this on board different ships. What's the name of the man you saw two months ago? ...fraocisco Camfors. Where did you see him?—At Messina. The gun that you spoke of was on the deck ?-0n the deck. Tho bench near the mainmast was on the deck ?—Yes, because it formed part of a trap-door. The crew bad access to all parts of the deck at all t)mos?—As soon as the tent war closed, nobody could Ass the part of the deck occupied by the tent, but all di* other parts were open. Were vOn tier at Milan ?—NOw, in my way here (to England.) Then yott Shame to England from Sicily, by the way of Milan came by sea from Messina to Naples, from Naples by land to Milan, thence to Paris, Dieppe, and Nam Brighton to London. Was that the first time yon were at Milan ?—Yes. Who first applied to you to come here ?—The English Vice- Consul at 31essina. Wiles was it he applied to you ??--Towards the 4lth or 43th of last month July. Was that the first time that you were desired to give evidence on this subject?---Yes. Did you go to the Consul, or the Consul to you ?—The Consul sent to me. because he was charged to do so by the Minister at Naples. What are you to hare for coming here ?—For what I have lost it is very little. Whet is it that you are to have ?—For coming I must receive as a compensation for my ship and trade eight Awaited dollars per month. What is the value of the dollar ?.-The Interpreter an swered it varies from 4s. 3d. to 4s. Csd. Did you pay your own travelling expences?-11 have paid nothing; I came with time courier. I was obliged or forced to come by the Neapolitan Minister. I myself was not willing, but was obR,-ed to come by means of the tioverrussent. Who was that courier ?--From Naples to Milan I came with the courier Nicolai ; and from Milan, with Mr. Crouse. How did yon travel; was it a state coach or diligence? —I came in a hired carriage, hired by the courier. Could any other person engage a or seat in that carriage?—These questions are useret e The Minister delivered me to the courier, who delivered me to Colonel Browne at Milan, to whom he delivered a letter. Col. Browne delivered me to Mr. Crouse. How lona did von stay at Milan ?—1 hare not mg me morandum book about me; bat not mote than two or throe days. Where did you live these two or three days ?—At an inn. How often did you see Col. Browne at Milan ?—First when we delivered the INdir, and the second time wheam we took leave. Did you see a person of the name of Bergredi ?—{We could not ascertain this 11311Ie rorrectly.J—l do not know that name at all; that name never before reached or ears. Did you see any one there who examined you_and took down what you said ?—Yes ; at Milan. What was his name ?—There were present Colonel Browne, two persons, a waiter, and myself, who made the fifth. Did Col. Browne , ?--Just like put any gotions to you that Oesdeussa (piating vi to Mr. Cooper) he told me to mil the troth. t ft * r , ; , / Were you sworn by the Cross of Christ 7-1 took no mitts by the Cross. I was not at all asked. 1 am ready Was there a passage by which the sailors cativo& pad the tent?—The teat occupied link more thuled the bireadtb of the ship. Was there a passage by the side of the teat Grassi tad of the ship to the other ?—On one side of the tut there was. On the other there was not, as thefts peached to the side of the ship. Were the men in the habit of passing the tent dm* the night ?—Whenever they had occasion to pies obey passed. When they were not required to do so by lay duty, thpy remained on the forecastle. The Marquis of LANIDOWN—The witness has sail. that when her Royal Highness, Bergami, and the att. were at the tent he was sometimes told to go away. To what other part of the deck did he go ?—Accordiarto what was demanded of me. What did the Captain order hiss to do—to go below, or what ?--Sometimes be told me to go to the cabille sometimes to the forecastle, to take care the sailors did , not make a noise in the *hip. When the Captain told the witress to remove. ode soy other persons near the tent where her Royal High mess, Bergami, and the Captain were?--1 wool we was divided from them, though sometimes oily ar as bog boat. ... In wisat part of the reseal were the bench Imd the of which the witness spoke?—ln the middle tithe At the time the witness was directed by the to remove from the part of the deck where . be, her Highness, and Bergand were, were there other penal who remained near that part of the deck ?—As sees as I went away I did not know what was passing. The witness mast know if he left any body. Ws any body else suffered to remain when the visages ass directed to go awn y ?--Before I wept away? All al terwards I do not know any thing about. That's the time. At the moment I went sway wir thing was ordered, and I could not pay attention to was done or who remained. At the time her Royal Highness and Bergami WO! reclining on the tent, was the weather calm et staler t was summer-time and fine weather. Was there much motion in the vessel ?--There ttWe light summer ain. There was hardly any OW to ado a motion. It was calm. The ship did not more. By the Bad of Rositesaat —ln the royaice to Jail, the witness has said there was a roonninnicatioa fns the tent. Was it to the ship below, or only to a miler place froevrhich there was no other exit ?---rei describe it.--(The witness took op a rim to make se, of the place.)—Do their Lordships wish for a drawls' of a part or of the whole deck ? What 1 want to know is, if there was any assismasi. cation from the teat to any part of the ship; and. if sk to what part ?—(The whams made a drawing with Pee and ink. sad it was handed into the hassle.) Frees the test, ea placed. wee there MI get to the likdefraseen ?-Ifles ; there is another pmet which I have twarbel. is little higher yr. The witness bee ilisailred the posiues of her Roal Highness and Legacy _es the gun. Was than 1 1 edam persons bus bisiesif capable of 'Mat that pm' Aiwa—Yea. A part of the crew inie des* taking the air. sod they might see if they chesa.,... Dees the witness *shallot I. whet part el the OW Theodore naked slept awing the verge ?—T O I , bed a plum assiviedltitn saga lkaameeli tit the sals L. he possible Astra what poles' the ln" sersin tie d he mad Ds. es 1111 " paned tbteeib two THE STA • winces upon that Atilt toilitt ?--blot all, but the sew You yiess area Neapolitan r teasel by aright sr by I! Re you lire wow ?-1 a it, sod part of the day. few u Sather is fixed there. the slay.. What business or trade does is were any tents erected? in the Royal Nave, and ranks as • left Nazareth, a little Anima asarriid?—No. MS yen always had tbe same rest ?—When the tests' I sec* ihibged my name. tof these teats was the Wee your name well known a ed au iron bed, and epos by all the crew who knew else pi 'toting to the door), was Oftow many persons did the e as 4. Mr. \ • day F.--A little time, or half as hour. it closed in the ?-I ,tinr Who were under the tent wben - it was the day ?—The Princess and " and ant town be- . &rend, longing to the Princess's equipage. 1 to take It 29 times, is I tell the truth. Did the latter person remain within the tent er Were yen sworn at Milan ?—Not at all. come out ?—Sometimes came out, at other times does not How did you travel with Crouse from Milan to Paris ? know. —Always in a carriage. Do you know by whose directions the tent was closed Were he sod Crosse alone in the carriage, or were on those days ?—Sometimes by Carlo, sometimes be there any other persons?—l, Crouse, and the post boy Schiavani, bid always by some one of the suite of her were the only persons in the carriage. It was a cabriolet Royal Highness. —a calash—with two seats and four wheels. Have you ever seen the Princess and Bergami walking When did you arrive in Landon ?—Yesterday. on the deck ?—Yes. How long were you at Paris ?—1 arrived in the morn- In what manner?—Arm in arm. beg, and set out at night. Have you ever seen them on the deck not walking ? In the course of.the day on which you were at Paris, 1 have. did you see any person who talked to yea on this Dub in what situation were they then?—ln several differ- jeo l ?—No. ent situations. Regarding your deposition ?—No. Describe some of them ?—I saw them sometimes sit. Were you asked any questions there, as to what yoe ting on a gun, with the arm of one heisted the neck of could say respecting her Royal Highness?—[The wit the other, because the gun was too small. Sometimes I nets begged that this question might be repeated ; hare seen Sergand lying on his hark on a bed, and the which it was.]—No ; otherwise it would have been jest Princess sitting near, leaning forward. When these - the same as that which yen asked just now about my de things occurred, the Captain sometimes with one exense, position. sometimes with another, sent him away because we were Had any hotly any conversation with you in Paris, as distant relations. to what you could say against her Koval Highness ? You say, you hare seen her Royal Highness sitting on Not in Paris I was so little a time, thit it was only just a gun, hare you seen her. in any Ohm shanties ?—& to rest me. biz I was masiosued. have. ereyea never examined on this subject before you In what ?—I have seen Bergami sitting on a beech set oat from Messina to Milan ?—No. neer the mainmast, and the Prioress sittingon his thigh What day were von at Paris ?—What is to day? or his lap----IThere was some desist of the earnestness of Hew king ago—how many days is it since you were the translation between the two Interpreters)—on hisat Paris 2-1 cannot remember. knee, with her arm round his neck or shoulder. I Can you not tell if you were at Paris during the last How was Bergami's arm placed on that occaeiss ? omit or not ?—[The witness again asked what day it Bergaini's arm was behind the bock of the Princess, was; and being told it was Wednesday, after some pease and her's round the neck of Dergami. ibe answered]-1 was at Paris on Saturday in the last Do you know where the sofa and bed were taken from. I week. which were placed hi the tent ?—The small iron heti ' Have you been examined since you came to Ragland ? came aboard with her Royal Righeess's lugger. —Tee. [The witness here described, with his Avers, the ens- Before you came to this House ?—Yes. struction of the tent, and how the sofa was plant] Were you brought into this House at any time before Do you recollect, during your the feast of St. you came in just now as a witn e s s ?—No. Bartholomew on the 24th of Ani v istrl do. When were you examined in England 2—Yesterday. Do you know the name of the g entl eman who Did any thing partiealar occur in the ship awing that ex day ?—During that day there was a go. mirth "0 4 Y" P — N°' through the whole of the crew and eau in the Yes wera sot sworn yesterday ?—No. evening dishes were kept with lights in them for a fe• Where have you been since your arrival in London ? neral illettoisation, the sailors got MN" drink, " I a • ca-419." inti tioo la wi t tl:th n too art Z re the place which has a dollar was given to each by order of Bortaa te d is t s tr 1 capasui end all the crew cried sot " Una live . , . All the rut of whom ?—All the person, who ate long lite the Princess of Wake. Nag Noe the Chevalier." I di". I let hmil the cattail to mikes them. Whea Beefami weal on board at Airs, did he woo , y" kulow what they are there for?—No, I stick to any oiler Omiar than that of lit. Screeches T—Tea, dam aro busieess. were wren , mime ' l i g p e te ssi e s e mer t we O i d g es. i • Yin mit blooms whether thete are ten, or tea times What Osdars wars 2—ilm Orders of St. CnesSaa. r i 1b,." .. .!, th e y ? —Tee times ten 'oaks a haired, it Who et e ufeeteza 4l ea Ilar ''''' le. Asian. 11•1= 14 11seese, ° L irL ass wry see if Ilie new lie wand arithmetic • I* the ice . whine yes cane. wen Ikelte aims, IN c am % api Sao' 04 peen, IL-Whether there win of oftZ as int _Mew. I hear ne iv um at Musks (, flot whom WO di= I - 4 i I 1 _ ~.