The Statesman. — London, England, 1819-07-23 00:00:00

THE STATESMAN. •o•id be glees at tie 'Want. Q. Theo you did not 41.1 0 soy? A. N., that was a eery good ►eason. Q. WI ere it abet the person str•ck yno with a intsp.stiek ? A. Neer the tether of Chanclna.atreet ? Q. had she& person any cockade in his hat ? A. I sin not r.rtilo that be bad ; I mentioned that as one in. Nance rot of • weal many, for I vat 'track by r n•mher of persons ; I recollect this man, for I took the mirk from him and wrack hint. Q. What hoar rf the day ono this? After the poll had closed, and after 11... Gentlemen on !warts:telt had retired,l think It es.. Ito 4 PPII fo•r and bye weir), k. It -.ruaroitiod by Mr. ALIMISON.—Q Pray wit Corensittese-room pretty fall towards the cl..se of thv poll ? A. So fall that it was not possibie to sit dr ; there cite a peat many strangers who Came in from cariosity; some were friends and some were enemies, some enemies were detected and turned out. Q. Now, when the Gentlemen on hersobsek retired, cool the molt retire also ? A. No, they did set; I ought to add many followed the Gentlemen nn horse. hick, end threw stones and wood after them. Q. Pray do you know if there were any speeches made after the chairiec wit abandoned ? A. I doe': know of my Una kneeletlie ; I don't think I was in yvni.gerdiru again. Q. Wet Lord Sefton one of the Oen•learen en horseback? A. l saw him amongst lb mi. Jns. Mitten swore.—Eammined by Mr.Scancerr. —Q I believe you Ste porter to my Lord Sefton A. Yes. Sir Q. Is his Loodslip's house in Ailing. too.soreet ? A. 1... Q. Was you at hems on the evening of the 3.1 of March ? A. I was. Q. Do you remember hearing any •eises at any time In that evening ? A. I do, Sir. Q At what time ? A. In I the evening, shoot half pest seven. Q Where was you at she time? A. In my Lord's hall, Sir. Q. Is my Loroi's house separated felons the street by any gates? A. Yes, gates and iron rails . Lord Chief Jostler A 6710T..-•Net merely a sort of " iris railing, which we sornelimes see over areas, in Isonhon ? Mr Se tnt.trr.—lrne gates for nukes to p through ? A. Yes. Q. What was the noise you beard ?. A. A shooting. as if some mob was coming Q. Whet diol yen do on that? A. I sold to the chairmen, I do believe they are coming. and I w ill p and shot the iron pies. Q. Did yow go and *bet the gates ? A. Yes. Q. Was my Lard and the fa. oily at that times: honor ? A. They were, Sir. Q. What did vets see neat? A. Why, the neat thing was Oleo I shot tLe gates, which I don't think was mo t e than fop or ire minutes before they assailed the windows. I got sway from the wied..aps and sat down, they heeled something in, which was a stone I 'boot See or six pond.. which struck me ; it came " thump the window into the hoes,. Q. Well.. I oiYh ir know if the iron gates were lilt closed or i flatter.'? A They were shut, there were no locks or bait. I Q roe tell whether the persons who came to aa-sil the house got •i:loin the bole rail., or stood rwtsitlt ? A. When I canoe from the place shore I tar, l could take my oath there wise 1011 people in the Cnort.y ard, at the time they threw the atones. Q. I do not east to go into a particular history, what damage did they do ?—A. I believe they left two pines in my window unbroken: I think there were 11 in the shadow, and they left two as. broken. Lord CI iof Justice Asacm—That is the hell dos I A. Yes. Mr. SCABLETT there a fanollght ? A. Yes. the fan light wes completely Mashed, the lamp and the fan Was any panel in the hall broken ? A. The door was dialgused, but no panel was broken. Q. The Mose outside? A. Themes* over tl.e &at was broken in la bleb the fan light was set. Q Wa• the stoup over the door the stone in • which theists light was set? A.Yes;and seversl pieces sr. re rbined r.f.' the steps Q. Then you say the 14 1 .5 were thii.perl ? A. Yee, when the stones re bounded, they chirped bits all the steps. Q. Were any other windows broke',? A. Yes, the perkier. I windows. Q flow many of them ? A. I can't as (*nein that ; I did not go in; I slid not go farther than ms own phice. Q. Were yoe aware that they were broken? A. I beard them break, end my Lord I was then sitting in the parlour, end the family, and they broke the blinds of the ninth)... Q I suppose the windows were shot ? A. Yes. Q. Do you, know If the shatters were forced? A. No, Sir, the glass and I wiedoe.blintis were broken. Q Were the windows' all sound before that day A. Every one in my hall were whale, and the fan light and the lamp were sowed. Q New what was the mob shooting ? A. I could not ascertain what they said, there nearest noi•ts and banning ; it did Not last long, it was nut above seven or eight minutes, or perhaps nine, not spore. c rosi .o g sr o l u ed by Mr. E T ANL—Q Yoe did not hones it , , of the person who did this? A. No, I did tint. Mr. Scsacm.—There were pose of my Lord's fronds there that yes knew ? A. No., After the ezamination of ether 'Hammes to WV. fain the sement of !bohemia, Mr. BLACARIDIM sald,—May it please year Lord. ship, Gentlemen of t be Jury, it Is now again my duty to address you on the part of the Delesdaete, end I am sorry that the Jury who were here la the former came are net 'Will in your places that I aright be saved the trouble of going through the evi. dance which I propose to offer, which Is the same which I effete at that time with this only eaceptioe, that I hope to he able to show that the Noble Lord (the Plaintiff in this nese) was more intimately con. wooed with the Committee thin Mr. Winked was, sod keen of the hiring of the mob. Gentlemen, shall not go through the " Mese that J.ck beilr," because I don't thiok it necessary; though I knew, as well as my Leatned Faired, that if there had been no .section there would have been no candidates, and if there had been no esedidetn there would have been no molt, and if there bad been no mob thee that no windows world have been broke--that is not the question here. But, Gentlemen, the propesi: firm I main/ails is this, that first of all no man has a right, by the law of England, to take en himself to bite persons for his own guardianship; if he is afraid that it 4 likely be may be attacked, he may get articles of the pence, or ha may apply to tie Magistrates, whp will employ the civil power In, hi, is. rushy and protection; that is laid down as the isw in a work which is frequently referred to C:urt, I mean in Hawkins's Picas rfre Croce, ne man his a right to hire others for kis own protection, bet if he is afraid of say one be may get ;flitter ' or he may get the civil power; and although for thedefroce el his hoes. be has a right to Lire people to keep and defend it, yet for pas.* along she reed he has no right to doisny reels thiegond it i• declared to be illegal by the law of England to do that which the Plsln ill says he hog done in this case, oven if the mob were hired for the purpose he states. Gentlemen. one of the D•fendants here to.day, has long been one of the Representatives of this city, and the other was the Chairman of the Committee for conducting the Ando. of Mr. llolthoese, end both were very anxious and active supporters of that an tipasti. We have bad one case tri.tl here in which neither of thus were parties; bet in all those cases where the Mien& emu members of Mr. Limb's Committee themselves, or where they bad, us Ow Plaintiffs admit, Commlttee-housea, there we lied that Sir Francis Bartlett am) Mr. Place are made de fendants, and although I know that, in point of law, a person who has sustained damage by the te midtown end riotous conduct of a mob. his a right to choose any two persons In the hundred that he thinks fit to make defendants in the cause, still I do think that the object of choosing these two Gentlemen was to connect the cease of Reform vita the riots that had occurred in Westminster; I hare no doubt that such was the olject, for if it bad been other wise they might easily have avoided such en inference by making any other persons the Defendants—bet no, they. on the contrary, chose to adopt two persons who were 'homiest forward and the most active for the interest of the cause which they themselves had bete -1 folios so long supported, in order that they might excite a prejudice 'Oust Reform. Gentlemen, I shall produce a person before you who will tell you that he was sent for on the Monday morning, end that he had instructions fur the ge4olvtion of a certain justify of people that were hired; and that there were five several divisions of throe people who were stationed not merely at the southern corner of the hustings where Mr. lAmb's voters came elf - to the roll, bet were dispersed all over the face of the bust. inns, and that there were a great many of them et 'the north corner, that there were a great number of them brought from the Brown Bear, in Bow-street, end stationed all along that line. I shall prove that these men were hired by the Gentlemen who con, ducted Mr. Lamb's election, and among whom I hope 1 shill be able to peeve, that the Noble Lord, who is the present Plaintiff, was one. I shall prove, that among those men who were hired, there were a great number of notorious boxers: there was Cribb and Caleb Baldwin, and all the fighting men in town hired, as the Plsiatil would attempt to make you believe to keep the peace; you are to be told, I sup pose, as the last Jury was, that these fighting men were hired to keep the peace; now I think that is an assertion yes will not easily believe, for if there hail been any want of the Civil Power, they had truly to send to Bow-street and they would have hue tarnished with a sufficiest quantity of very dif. hunt persons to have kept the peace. 1 shall prove, that so far from these persons being hired to keep the peace, their conduct was such that the High Constable west to some of the Gentlemen connected with Mr. Limb's Committee, and told them if they chose to withdraw those persons, be would be se sociable for the preservation Of the peace of the City of Westedester ; but If they refused to do it, be told. them that he could not be answerable for the consequence. Gentlemen, lam set silly enough to suppose, that time Gentlemen hired mobs to break their own windows, but I do very well know, that people when they Joe't get their promised reward for shouting and esakieg discordant noises, an apt to feel irritated. I can clearly understand, Out when a mob that is hired, as Mr. Lamb's friends allege to keep the peace, bet who broke the windows of the landlord where they met on a Tuesday night, be cause they were net paid ; 1 say 1 can easily under stand that this cams mob that calf irritated on Tees day night, finding on Wednesdsy that they were not paid, and that they had lost a day, might go to the minus bosses of their employers end break their windows; also, Gentlemen, 1 shilll lay before you this statement of facts, end going upon this its tensest of facts, whether it was or was not the same mob which was hired by the friends of Mr. Lamb, if I prove that a mob was hired by them, and even if 1 &nil connect the Noble Lord distinctly as being present when it was resolved that they should be hired, yet if 1 give such evidence es leaves no doubt in your mind that be was cognisant, or &tight have been cognizant if be bad takes the common and or. dinery means of knowledge as In what the Commit. tee were about, if it shall be proved that the Noble Lord was a sebicriber to the fend out of which these men were paid, if I prove this, task you if the Noble Lord most not blame himself for the mischief which his ensued, and whether be ought to call for m utest of the damage from the ishobltaott of tie Hun dred of Oseelstoo. G:les ---- William Weller, plied. Lordfibief lestiee --- AIIIOT.-11 . sa you set better sew, es we hare nee the effect of beginning et the other sod, eodosseer to eopiect Lord Sell,. with this treessetiee _ _ Mr. Riseneunne.—l 'sin hopes t►at west's!! be able to connect ley Lord Sefton by the persons I shell call ; I don't know if this witness will, bet I think if the 'Weems sere heard, one proving one thing, end soother another thing, they will connect Lord Sefton. Lord Chief Justice AIIIIIIOT.—A great many wit nesses who do not connect him will not make our that does; I don't wish to prevent your giving any evidence which you may deem important to year cave, bet the Jury can't conclude against •n indi eldest without some evidence that really affects the party Mr SCA RLETT.—We saw in the lost close the in. Witco and ptejudice cached by going into irre levant matter. Lord C..irf Justice AlllloT.—From what the wit• nes, yaw propose to call said in the former trill, we have no reason t• think that be will speak to Lord Sefton. Mr. EVANS.—My Lord, I think we shall rento'cl my Lord Soften, mod I would sabmit in cases of m inty or conspirsey, end in every similar cast irird before sour Lordship, it is sisal to prove the carpus deltdt MO, end afterwards to connect the party. Lord Chief Jestice ADISOT.—IIe jos bale soy probable bops of connecting T.rd Sefton, and will pledge ynorsolees as Gentlemen and as Ad oral'', that you hay*. probable bope of connecting his.-- Mr. Ems —Fes, my Lord, I do. Lord Chief Justice Aanoe.—Shall we then take ti testimony of title outmost from lite eeideoca given in Ike former client? Mr. SCAtILETT.-114, Lord, I hive no objection. Lord Chief Jostles ABBOT.— Mr. Blackburn' will yes take the evidence of the former cause or do yes wish It to be gone through ? Mr. th.,Fastutus.—There is no objection to telt, it f, am your Lordship', notes. bat if any thing should ads* either F T my Learned Friond on the other side, or be suggested by myself, your Lordship will have no objection to pet such necessary question to the witoeu. _ Lord Chief Jolliet Assoc.—Well then, perhaps the better way will be to take it all over stein. Giles William Waller sornrn.—Esamined by Mr. ET txs.—Q. Were you engaged at the last Wes - 'Mester Eleetioa A. Yes. Q. What was your indseemeat to engage ? Mr. Scaat.gre.—l object to his inducement. Mr. I.:vaxs (to the witness).—What was the nu tore of your employ ? A. 1 was employed for the express purpose of making fair copies of the now, of men who were engaged by Bond. Q. Previous to your being employed by Bond, hail you been at it e ho.tiogv ? A. No, not previously. Q• What ems the first employ list Bond gave you? A. To go to tte south end of the hustings. where I mimed with a number of other persons, sod 1 told Bond Mr. SC.ias.err•—l object to this evidence; what paged between linnd and him is no evidence. Lord Chief Justice A 11110 T.—If you go on at this rate, how is any thing which passes between Bond end him evidence, I don't know bow to deal with it, or what to tell the Jury, unless you peer that which iv really evidence: l an sittiog ►ere, detaining the Jury for a great length of time, for no purpose at all. - - Mr. EVA llg —I %Aeon to your Lordship that Bond gene orders In Waller. Lord Chief Jistice A BOOT. —This you should call Bond: an A.lencote has certainly a right to use his best discretion. but we do 'spa tint Gentleite% at the bar sill esercise their sound discretion, artless they have prubsble ground to suppose they can bring the wetter borne. Mr. BLACKIIICIINC—I should be very sorry to take up the time of the Court eanecessarily ; and, unless the instructions famished ■e do very unocb deceive me, I shall ; bet I cannot pledge myself es to their being so, nor can any Advocate do so. I can only pledge myself, that according to my lostrec. lions, I shall be able to connect my Lord Sefton. Lord Chief Ju.tice Asisoe.—After one failure, we can't bet entertain a little suspicion. Hot, rer. tainly, the ohjertion goes farther then to any thing •Lich passed hereon Bond sod him. Mr. ETAS. (to the witness).—Did you ever go with Bond td the Commiitee.ropm ? Mr. SCARLET"! --I object to that. Mr. ETAMS.—Did you ever see Lord &flee there? A. No. Laid Chief Justice AIROT.—Did pre ever life Lord S►fton in Malkin to any employ you had, or any thing you dad ha relation to the elective ? A. No, my Lord. Mr. EVAII.—What took place et the Committee? A. In the parlour of the Isom wiser, the Committee was held, I saw a Gentleman of the same of Prescott, wbo particularly wished to impress on his mind— Mt. SCAIRLETT.—/Objed If that. Lord Chief Jettice Asecm—le the parlorsr of the house you saw a Gentleman, who was called— . hat ? A. Captain Prescott. Mr. Ev.txs —What took place between Captain Prescott and ? A Road called Capt. Prescott Mr. SC ‘11.1.6.1T —I aided go lhaf. Lord Chief Justice A ascrr.—ln the present state of the cause I cam% receive any rsstion with these parties. Mr. EWA:ft.—Supt.', my lord, we bad proved Captain Prescot t a member of Mr. Lamb's Committee. Lord Chief Justice ASSOT.-01111 of the first roles of 'Wooer is, that the couversations of a third per. son are not to affect the parties on the record. Mr. Evans.—My Lord, unless I connect it, it goes for wahine. Lord Chief Jestice Assne(rather wormy)—Then connect them first. In Ike present sine of the nese, a con ee 'on between Captain Prescott and Bond is not admissible, inasinech as it does ■ot connect the Plaintiff on the record. After IMP dela♦ on this point, Boyce Combe, E q. was called and swern.—Es stained by Mr. EVANS.—YOU were an active friend of Mr. Lamb at the last election for Westminster? A. Yos, I way. Q. I believe a subscription was en tered into for the support of the election ? A. There was. Q. Was Lord Sefton a subscriber ? A. I be. line be was. Q Yoe bare probably seen my Lord ' Sefton at the Committee-room in Ilenrietta-street ? A. I have. Q. He was so active friend of Mr. iamb's? A. Yes. he was. Mr. EVANS —NOV, my Lord, I submit I can Call the other withers. Lord Chief deltic, ABIIOI%—No, you most carry if further. Mr. EvAus.—Have you ever sren Lord S e ft on i n the rbair at the Committee? A. No, not that I re. nitro. Q Yoe caret siy 'hut be was not? A. No. Cr oss-esamined by Mr. SCA Iti.t.iT.—Do yne mean, Mr. Comb., That you hire seen hint at the Commit. tre•ronen in Ilentiemmstrept ? A. Yes. Q Was that Creamily.e ymer swim, ? A. Yrs. ta W as there any uarlisnlar C. mniiitee formed ? A. N o .— Q. lon tlou't moan to Joy that bled Felton us, namehm of the Comm.",. F A. Ceolsinty hot. Q. You have men Lim 0h . ..t 4., hare you often ? A No, not above flume or foul times. Q Ile vroloshly came to look ha:: the tit - al.:I going on? A. Probably. Q. Do yy.o Lures of al.,' seek. part ut.irh 11.01 J Svflon in the elrelot.? A. I dot.'t knot, of any at all. Q as sru *ore • member ty flied Cnnsmillec im MN: you rata tell us If ihme ass a deal of drug% ur u. A. A peat deal. _ _ Clik`r hictite ArroT.—A think Tett Sr. pre. ILllure io 1116 cuqueir) (In 311.. p ni s h a ll 1, :t • the 1e,t0t.19 to ttt..,i.rvin i n . p o i". Ev N, W, n., Levi, I si..kr. it Otte is ovidroco to go to t►e Jeri, t►at he was a member if the Comifittee._ Lord Chief Jostler Assoe.—Ne, be deer pet say liar. Mr. EVANS —He subscribes to the fated. Lord Chief Justin AISOT lie does to she COO. asittes.rnom to ascertain the stale of the poll. to which ('•owitteo-room • nontber of the hien Is of Mr. Lsmb resorted, end one of the isittio.g., uitl enSIIIIPS SS well as blends resortesi tkere, and he omen. 'ions that one was detected and turned oat. Logd Sefton wont there to learn she state ails. poll. Mr. BLACKS!) aNc—lf your Lordship thinks, open this esideace, we don't connect Lord Sefton wills Mir tatntoiltee in lientletta•street, l cannot go Ur titer with it. Lord Chi•f•Juatics Aisoe.—l find no fault with you, Mr. alackberne ; I find no fault with any Gentleman for patting forward his Client's cause with zeal ; it is a defy that be has to perform, but I must tell the Jury that no person can be affected by the act of another In which he is not a patty—he most be connected. Verdict fur Pleintilf—Damages 2 11. 16s. 2d. l'O f.IOE. _~. C CILDUALL.—In conger; of the etlensive prew notions taken by the SIN/lower, and the jorlicious arranariment of the Police.uffizers and Coosrahles, t• prevent riot and confusion, bat little disorder replied from the Meeting on Wednesday. N•tt a sine* rrio was in custody in the Lord Mayor's district yesterday, and but three on the list for this Justice. room, et all connected with the Meeting, els Josses Robinson, John Cook, and Edmund Ruitentorth-- The two former were apprehended by Tb•'tnpson a one of the constables of St. Sepelchre's, who observed them busy trying persons pockets in the crowd, and at last um Conk pick a pocket of a handkerchief s he was prudent enough not to seise him in thecrowd, but suffered bins to retire with Robinson ep tag. lane, whets he followed, and with the assistance of a journeymen painter who bad witnessed the theft, took them both inta custndy, and corm eel them quietly to the Compter ; the handkerchief. a fin . He, mark ed J. A. was found on Conk. The Psi opts remanded till Toesday next. The property to he advertised in the meantime. Ike Prisoners ere knowei thieves. The other fellow, Butterworth. was given in charge to Dire, an officer, during the Meeting, b) anent Gentlemen, one of whom detected the Prisoner's hand in his pocket, bet as to•ne of the parties appeared against him, sad no proper y was foaled upon him, he was discharged with an admonition from the Ma. &rate. A little after II teclnck. Mr. Arthur Thistleworld entered the Office, and addressing Mr. Tone.. the keeper of Gilisper-street Comptes, sa'd he wished far en order to see Mr. Harrison, elsa had been .orrested on a warrant from the Magi•trotes at Stockport, bucked by the Lord Mayor, deicing the Metairie OM Wednesday, and lodged in the Comptes. Mr. Tem.. said there was no objection. bet it was necessary he should give his name. On his mentioning his name, Mr. Teague hesitated, andreferred the application le the Magistrates. adding,th it vino r I yjnig hart been done to render Mr. Harrisn's situation as comfortable as possible • he had been shied by his friends. aid had aspens:l himself satisfood with the attention that had been paid hie. But, Sir, said Mr. Thistlewand, wish to bail him. Mr. Teague replied, that was its. possible; bail had bees offered, and refined by the Lord Mayor on Wednesday, on the ground of the wording of the warrant, which directed the dicers to bring the ['dinner before them, the signing Mae Mr. Thistlewonal Paid, I beg your pardon, ye. will find bents be balled. Ant Ito understand yew refuse to let me see him? Mr. Tram said, it was with the Magistrate to give en order. Mr. Alderman M 111:11AY observed, that as the war. rant had been hacked by the Lard Mayor, sod Mr. Harrison kept in custody by his authority, he would rather not interfere; and advised Mr. Thistlewood to apply at the Manainn•hoon, where he would find his Lordship then sitting. Mr. Thistlewood bowed and retired, bet returned shortly afterwards, his Lordship being from home on a water ncersion. The Alderman repressing no further disinclination, Mr. Teague left the office. and accompanied Mr. Thistiewood himself to the Comp'er. U ATT01 1 1•G A 111:101.-. Henry Bailey wt charged by Transit Vegan, a constable, with being we'f active in the m b in Smithfield, on Wednesday evening, ea. citing them to acts of riot and disorder, ant 'accts. raging them to beat and maltreat the constable+, iu which he took a very active part. The Complainant stated, that be sew the Prisoner and *eters% others attack a constable of St. I' , whom they siry!ell oat, that the Prisoner knocked him down and cot his hand dreadfully, by forcing the truncheon oat of It, it being attached to his hand by a small rope, that (be Prisoner then threw the truncheon amongst the crowd, and took the umbrella from him whilst down, cud that several of his compa nions whilst be was down jumped and trampled spun him; the constable, whose name the Complain. ant did not know, was in dreadfully beet, that he ass carried to St. lisrtholomew's Hospital for slit" gical assistance. Witness, noticing the activity of the Prisoner, kept his Pie upon him won be gm as sistance, and then he took him into rectody, and fuunl the umbrella upon him, which the Prisoner took from the entutahlo. Od searching the Prisoners po c ket., be found two pair Gentlemen's glove+, tern bad and a bid halt . ..croon, wt send i money but three.h4rtience.— said be I was a g'o' m out of place, that he happened to be a !C4‘1.111 ;11544 0, ./er, w1.0:1 h+ was attacked hr the Coo.- ! pl Omni and "titer constables, ta ilbout the snialle:t I plovocaii. u , ac 'hey did set ei 01 others. 1)11 !). LN On the re* iert, nine, T. itiro.ire, n i in ;.;.I On she lath hi.e. A 11.ustri 4 11. nzed 5 . % Th...a- II .1.6'14. %sA •tv irlstst ur the lase Anima Item: , is, E•q. of r I.! ,re. I)n she 1.2. h iu.s. %Ir.& lithlraan, at hit si.t. r s lhasse, Be - 'Orr', St. Mar • ;iv% iv.ll 0 . the ?Lt ia.r , at her buts-e la Crest Janis-erect, IS I , m, N 1... IleAs. : .'rd Pt.! Pui.1i44.11 by S. l't pry %u •..t•:j•:; coast, 111:e: •:!text. I !