The Statesman. — London, England, 1820-09-07 00:00:00

Did yea par any of his Royal Highness's drafts ? —llia floral Highness was out accactrined to draw in his ow, Waal The certificate of Sacchi's coninet was then read. It was dated Posaio, Nov. 5, 11116. 'ant neatly as follows :—'Her Royal Highness the Princess of *ales certifin to whomsoever It may concern, that Mr. Otis acppe Sarebi, waive of Como, haw been in the service of her ilanyal . Highnemune year.'ap•to the date bereot, first as a Contier, and afterwards as Equerry in all which, Le was s most 'Vodkat person, and discharged h; s duty with assiduity. teal, and fidtlite. lie was .lischargsnl lot a inert .stessure of economy,. that preft retire being given to the elder servants of her R o yal Highness, which their long service sleserred. Thel AT rousCT-OEMERAL rose to propose putting in ns evidence the certificate given to Slajocci. He knew that it was nut in the band-writing of her Royal High neia, but it was written by Schiavani, and it bore her Royal Highness's seal. It stood in evidence, that Sehiavani was the person who generally discharged soseants, therefore hr would submit that this proof of hit authority gave him a character under which the certificate written by him .was admissible in evidence to an act of her 'Royal Highness. (Loud cries of withdraw.) The Lord UnasceLtatt.---Order in the House. After hearing Mr. DitOUGHAM and Mr. .ITTOIINZT ORNIISIII, 1/1.• ',PRO t•ri.i.ton declared his opi nion that anficiesst evidence hail not been Olefin to an thenticate the document in question, and the Attorney- Ventral was then informed by his Lordship, that he 'veld nut Isepermitted to offer it in evidence. Mr. AT roastav-tiesnut tt. now rose, and after pre traising the importance of the application hr WWI about t,, make, stated tha: he had several witnesses to ex amine who were natives of Lugano. 'That theme wit- nessei on their journey to Englund, for the purpose of rising evidence on this tri4l, had heard reports of the ill-treatment of the witnesses at Dover (the cireuto statuette attending which will be in the memory of our readers). Them witnesses on hearing of the reports we have alluded to, refused to clone to England, and stopping at Beauvais near Park, went before a Magis trate there, and upoa oath, stated these reasons as the cawse of their refit-ill to rocs :.) ills country. Upon receiving this at collat. the Cretan loatri•r% sent after the n ilite,se. its the L I rof vrtrkine: them, to assure them that it soffaidesit esco7t should he provided to protect theas. 'flee tueismger slid nut overtake them, and the ? had retstrneil Lugano. 31r. Atterney- Veneta) stated. that he Lad every hope that their n it tr.ties woul•I arrive in this country in a few days, and he therefore humbly moved a postponement o f the trial, such time us their Lordships should think fit. Mr. Itnot.•:11 to • till that, even assuming all the state ment of Mr. Attorney-lieneral to be proved, he (Mr. B.) shon1:1 vet 'span principle resist the pestpottement.—ln ar ordin Ire trial it would never he pe tttt Rim!, and the pri•.rner iu a court belate would he discharged, it the Frost...tour failed to make out his ruse, an adjournment wools' never lw peratitted.—ln fact, the Attorney-6e neral merely wanted to pleb up his case. 31s. DIENMAN followed 31r. Brougham, and repeat ed that the palp•ble (Nell of Hr. Attorney-General WWI to patch up his case. lie was sure the House would not put off the Queens def.nee if her Counsel w •re ta say that her witnesse. were afraid to c•one to F.::11a.ol lest they should I.e taken tip nutter the Alien Ac f, and he theref•rc illot.ittell the House would not listen to the applicati o n. In ft •t, the g:rottn,li of the application were miser:tide excuses, awl -nth as wool,' he 51:011ted in every or•litiary court of justice. His Chem had lung enough endured the pett ier of calumny and dirt, and l:r really did hope that the II would out load her with additional jujus lice. --- - Mr. .VrTORN —(ll:Nnit ‘l. complained that 11r. lh•o- mar• inv.triabl}• husk adrantotge of every occasion n hails presente.l itoelf far atldrevoing the House. to make a d.•t•lamston' speeds. Ile had no wish to patch up the . 1 Ire witneshes in tptestiun wrre nut now wit nes•tes ; hut they la.ttl Lora prevented attending, in rep ”sesinetiee o.f the treatment which the other witnesses liad recei veil at ihtv••r. or 1.0!:11 1N1•1.1.1.UM SligeeStCll that the grounds of the. application should first he proved at the Bar of the lied-v. in whirls suggestion he was joined by Lord I.:verpoill. Lord Faisatxr. declared, hr considered the application as moo-arms% i so loot Albin upon t he course of justice, and he evil...oily should oppose it. The Loon (..11.‘NCCI.I.soii tliwicht it would be better (it being fire o'cliwk) (it postpone the futiler consideration of the snbjert toll to.intorrow. The Part of (. %RNA IiVoN soolgested that some grooml sight first to be laid for the porpoise of forming the nto;ect of 111 l to- row ; at present there was roototoz loot the application, without their knowing to I if pr was to be offered in support of it. The Loos/ ( . 11.0Nrrs.Loit said, it would be impossible for bottoms strength to get throng+ this investigationa if stotficiens intervals were not given between the days' proeesolingit, portientarly with regard to himself, who bait so malty ether matters to attend to. Ile Earl tiara expressed his perfect willingnees that the Nylolr awl Learned Lord 11 Id hate those intervals of zeta :oion to which he was sa well entitled, hut it was stowa essential in this ease, that before the Honor sepa rated there should be suitor understanding as to what the nature of the proof was upon whirls this application was to he supported; an application which 1 eotesiderell to be contrary to all the prineiplet; of justice, and which Ise hawed would not he agreed to by their Lordships. As, however, this application was to hoe the %object of di•-e.t.oriott to- 1111 l mow, it 1% . 36 Of iliipairtallee that the Ateaoney-lieneral st IQ lir called upon to state what prowls he load to tiring forward in support of his appli ratios.. With regar.l to the cross-evaminatioo by the goterit's Couns:l, it would lie satisfietury to the House if doe Learned Attornry-lieneral for the Queen could state whaler be should now finish his truss-examina tion, or whether he intended to postpone it till after the aoljnoor 1111 l riot, whirl it was understood was to take place, to e n a b le her Majesty's Counsel to enter upon her defence. Vise kyronotav-ilassetat. being called upon by the Lord Chancellor, stated that lie bad a copy of the prorrs veriest drawn top at Beauvais, in which the apprelteosiona of ti n , parties were stated, as the reason for limir toot then prorvinling to this cavort! ; and also the letter mating that these witnesses were is set out from Wpm, ohe total of Almost. The'AisueTruit Umtata:. added. that they bad all the ansteriale loporn widish, in the Cows below. Admits ought be Amtatied, upon Web *A Nana' were in the habit of poe_ tposing !Huh according to circum stances. It not boiler the . portire to "make alholairlte in that Home. pralines were -ready to swear its the venal form et these affidavits, that they believed those wit neases to be material, and that they believed the facts already stated to be trim.: ' • Mr. Buounussa, bei i s called upon by the Lord-Chan cellos'', observed, that their hordships would ..beuorare hr could only; under present circumstances. state ityrs• theticallY what . would be his 'epttrse as to the rrowes amination. Assuming, however, that the 'ease fur the Bill was now dosed, hr should merely call back one of the witnesses. and having put to him three or four toes. tions, his craws-examination would be it an end. • • know• him. Comm., haring been re-called, , Mr. Ilitoceu•st enquired if it was thelroLordstops pleasure that he shenid ge.—{tio on, go - •11.) VW you call witlithat yonng man at any honse ?—1 remesiber calling some where, but the young man war gene Out twice the ceremony of the funeral. Was that a large house don't know if it was large or small, I knocked at the door and was told he was not at home and went away. Did you go to any other house?—Yes, becanse I had another letter, hut I did not find him at home—we could not Ind the house, we went here and there and could not Intl the house. .• Did yoit theri not find him at home, or ch.! you sot find the house ?-4/n that day we could not find the place. Then on that slay slid von go into any large house ? How was I to know whether it was large or small, I don't make observations of timings. Did you go into a house that day that had a sentinel at the door?? Ile want+ to know which day ? Did you on any of those days, when you were accom panied by that laritiey de place. go into any house with a sentinel at the door's—That was the first day of toy arrival, for I ►vas told that was the door of the Court of the King, for I had three or four letters for that house. Did you go afterwards to that house ?—1 did. Did you go several times ?—1 On those occasions did you go in and leave your !ae y►rry de place outside the door ?—The tiro time. Did you, not'also leave him at the door on the other 6meg: l —What I remember is, that I left the larquey once at the door. Do you mean to say your lacquer• went into that house with you lie afterward* came in I can't tell; I loft him there. Did you find him at the door when you came out Wid 1 remember is, that 1 found him there when I came out. Did von once come out of that bouse with a gentle• nein es. MI you go with that gentleman to his chambers ? No. Mil you not ro with him somewhere'?—With this gentleman I went no where. Who was this gentleman ?—What 1 remember is 11r. Powell. Will you swear that you did not go with him to Mr. Pow ell's l'hauaiers. I,incolu's•iun'r-I)id you not then snake au appointment to go at six o'clock that evening ? Yes, I Did yon not go that evening according to the appoint ment did. Now , in that great house, I understand you to say you went several tim.•% baekn•ards and lanyards with your !wive!, de place t-1 es. yon not go once (ruin Mr. Powell's with a note 1 remember that. Did you then go in and leave your lacquer outside ? believe I did. but am ant sure. On you know if this great house is Carlton How ? don't hnow the name. Were there pillars before the house?-1 know• that people merit in by a small dour anti then there RAI a porter. Di.l von not see the pillars 7.—Tigre were some ancient tirecian pillars. Was there a dour inside ?—There was. Dail you any conversation with Mr. Powell respect ing. your expenees?—yneroo non oil rirordo. Did Mr. Powell say to you in presence of the la , inem dr piece that money was no object, and that you might have more if you wanted ?—No. Did hr ever give yon any money Do you wean to represent that yon never hail any! conversation with 31r. Powell on the subject of the laneess":—llow ; what do you mean. Question repeated. The witness appeare.l not to comprehend the question. llas Signora Pnisile never spoken to yon about the Queen spoke to use on the subject, at Milan, but lie has never sluice. Ditt you never see this letter before (chewing him a lettee)l' —No: I don't knotn• how to read. Ihi you know 3 rpm!' of the name of Lone—No. Were yon ever in a t.tvrrt► when yott met tiayset•hi —Yen; hut I don't know the name of the Tavern. Do you know tlw mater of that tavern t—Ye', if I were to we him I ,houlol. Since your txatuitiation h re have you ever seen 31r. Powell or hiA eierk I.—Yes, 1 have, lout l don't remem ber hereafter. Ilow long were you with I at any one of those times ?—I have seen Win only when 1 paid my respect 3 to him. Look at this gentleman, (pointing to a gentleman within filar) is he the moiler of the Wear Ditl you ever employ him to write a Letter for you to 31r. ?----Ves, he load written twice fur nee. !Mundt, you know• tithe; of these letters if I were to shell them to you ?--No. Mr. 11:tot•on All submitted, he mi;•ht ask the witness the instructions he had given fur the w►iting these letters. The 1.(01110 ( . 11ANVELLOA assented. Did pin nut ingtruct 11r. Lung to write to Mr. Blackwell, to the following effect :-- 1 hare safely delivered the letter to your brother. and he was quite well, .and desired to be kindly re. meinbered to you." 1 told him to tt r tr to this effect :--- " I did not tinJ yuur brother at home, but I left your letter ith hi. wire." Did yon not add," I hare got a situation, and 1 nu t this night going off In Vienna 1"-1 Did you nut desire par kind regard to bp Elven to several people, (naming thein):•—lies, I rolled Mr. Hughes's Brother, " I;rot,her," it stag a teem of friep,l. ship. Another passage in the letter, olio rooselittemee that. ever. as it relineds this ease, was brought under the wit, arts's rretallooties. Did you ever propose to marry Mn. Blackwell ?-1 leaked to marry Mrs.Hughes i and i sp ei oat tlat► la die House. (Peals of Laughter.) Ware you ever at Paris in Idle?—Na. Mr. B1101:011AN here intimated that be had no fursho questious to ask this witness. Ile-examined by Mr. Arroassey-fiavaass. : On what occasion was it that the Napoleons to 'MA you have been elasuined were sent you at Vienna went as a courier. Did yon receive any particular orders ?—Yes, t o p as quick as possible. Were you to account fur these Napoleons ?-1i es. Did you account for thew "r-1 did. For what purpose did you take the note of Powell, respecting w►ieh you have been questioned To obtain a passport as far as I remember. To what part of the house did you go ?-1 trent .t.d the street-door only. How long did you stay on that occasion ?—Aboatkalf au hour. Where else did you go for a passport ?-4--To the-In. trian AssibAssadur. 1 obtained the passport. Who did you see at the great souse on that °end. % --The footman and the tieruian who talked so ass Did you ever see any one eke at that house ?—.A handsome man who could not speak Italian, a nd n h e spoke to me by signs. For what purpose did you go to that housa?—T o carry a packet. Did ion bring that packet over with you when via came tt•ith Nr. Hyde c--Tr.. How many times did you call at tint Hoax ? About three times. For wind purpose did you go on the two other ec. casions?--The second time to know whether there was env answer to the packet; the third time 1 teal for the same purpose. Hy Lord ROOSIIERILT.—DiII you to alone Dy E.srl liner.--You distinctly say you ran neither read nor write?--1 can scarcely write my name: nothing more. His lordship referred to the witness's evidence on his former examinatiou, when he said, In answer to a question, " I can't give the date, because I hare nut the book with one in which I minuted the ritroasstaorr: To a i i nestion from Lord (hey, witness replied, he had no hook of any sort at all.—(A laughs Crie s of withdraw.)--Ilere the Interpreter heireed leave hum bly to sulmtit to their Lordships, that the wards, Ness enf rir ,ru'i, w hich appeared so often Cl their Lord ships' jonrnals, admitted of various meanings. Lord FL:miss it did not think that the witness should be asked what he meant by those expressions be cause, it would be neeessary to go throegh the whole of the evidence, iu order to apply to each i:s proper signification. Dries of withdraw. lice witness withdrew. The Manic:•is of Lossinowxc then rose to call the attention of their Lowiships to a Letter which ap peared this morning in o-•e of the Papers, from Mr. Marietta to his son, in which he stated, that Collier( Browne hail threateued to enforce the Alien .hit vilest him. Me shisaW not trouble their Lordships with reading this letter. It has been pnblished in all the journals in this town. and would probatly be pale. lislied in all the journals in Erne. The object a his rising was, to ask the Noble 1 4 errl opposite, whether ibis act was done under the sanction of His Majesty's tio vernment, and whether-this Colonel Browne WO all ac credited agent. This, it was of the utmost immixture to know, because, if this act was done without the sanc tion of the tiovernment, Colonel Browne bad nesszal:- ted La set of great state delinquency. And it berme incumbent, on his Jainjrav's Ministers, to disavow. in In fullest manner, any connection in the transaction. Lord Ltrzerossi. then rose to assure their Lordships. and he tt•as thankful to the Noble Marquis for the opps • fortify he afforded him of informing theta, that be was erholly unacquainted that such a person as Mr. Marietti did exist in this country. Ile was aware of a geed• wan of that name in Milan, but hod no knowledge what ever that snch a person lived here. From this einem stance it must appear to their Lordships that his Ma jesty's Ministers were ignorant of the transaction. Ile felt no dilliettity in assnring their Lordships that Colosel Browne was an accredited agent, and a more respectable agent, he believed, there could not exist. And be. Lewd Liverpool thourtit, that the letter of Mr. Marinetti did not imply that such interference had actually takes place on the part of Col. B. but that it merely proceeded from parental solicitude—from the father to the son. This. buwever, was only conjecture ; but from all the eirentsistane^s of the ease, lie was aware their Lord- ships mast be convinced, that the thivenment were perfectly ignorant of the trattsactio i, and (veld mauve them, with the fullest confidence, that it was the wish of his Majesty's Ministers that futility should be afforded to the Queen on the present fareasion. Thr Martini* of LANsuon sn made a few obsern -4hosa, .w► mould Not hear. Lord Ito 1.L.1S o said, that if the thirelellllett weetemth• • to blame, nor Colonel Bronne) to Mater, that the Pit• Banton' of 'treat Britain. and every one cosmetic& with the Iluvernment of England wer e to blesne,thitt nastier should exist on their bhokv, which mast striate, - ope rate to prevent ail for.iguers front towing fnewvel ta give evidenre. The . t erroaxi:v4l4l.Nen.si,tlten rose and said, that Mr. Brougham le„ei ng Learned Colleague was prepared to proceed. rotielmtell the raansinatioa, his 'Ehe SOL14.11TORAII: VIA then PIM and beggri leave, before hr entered on she snbjeet, to okr a 10 remelts in jiptificaii.ot of himself and colleagues et Gs rearm pursued since the romenciscarierut ed. the present emptiry. The it hue tti the .‘ttoettertiet:ers l erreiresi instructions to lac the 04h-we before, thy? Lordships. the Attornev-tirseral, in conjanctien with himself and c+ llets:7os. proreeJett to rse' ll " all the evidence is he 11.!tittrell is sappari cf this Bill. They weieLsil awl examined all 4 0 every part of the evidemst they thouclst Wl'" rim! to the presets! trial, without paying any iliwao for ImPr"ti°"" o r Winona• that might 1,40 0,4 4 against them. This they thought was 'lath 0 1 4 1+ 66 ? this, hr trusted, 't r ey had dude fah'. the steaks , cahieche had to chothat bu the pet vevoio the hr tdight Out cuoccive shsrtNßartery Iryis Olt le . THE QUEEN. ST.4 711SMAN-OFFICS, THIN DAY. Trio .'Caps. HOUSE OF LORDS, TIII.:RSDAY, RSPig. 7. (NINSTBIENTII DAT.) Prayers were road and the Peers called over as ttsrtal. The defaulters were Lord Alvanly and the Earls of Gos ford and Egremont. Counsel were then called in. Mr. Alristssirt GENCILIII. said, he thought it ►igist to state to the House, that in cospietptenee of a communica tion he had received last night, he feared that a longer delay than he hint at first imagined, would be necessary, to ensure the presence of the witnesses from Lugano, and as he conceived it would not be becoming in him to ask a further delay, he would, with the permission of their Lordships, withdraw his application for a postpone ment. 3lr. AttotneyMeneral's motion was then withdrawn •upon the motion of the Loan Cuameam.on. Itis Lord ship observing that that officer had done no more than his duty in making the u►utino.--(llear. hear.) Alr. Ilnot:cu t.o now rose and said, that considering that Mr. Attorney-lieneral had never closed his ease, he had only to request that the witness 31ajoevi might be called back, that he (Mr. B.) might put a few questions to The Earl of L.svnlcan.rt.►. made some unimportant observations upon the evidence. lle was answered by the Earl of Liverpo,d. A desultory conversation n o w took place between the Lord Chancellor and Mr. Brougham, which did not at all affect the evidence; and the witness Majutri was then brought to the Bar and rc.unined In• 3lr. Brougham. Du you know a person of the nano• of Julius Caesar Coavacchi ?—I never heard of such a II WI% I ou you know any perAou of the tiume ..16 A raerhi ? —I have heal.l the :arse; he da jeueller at Mika; I wa4 neler iu Ii is shop, I mean Gavaeehi who lives in Oreville-street, list ton-garden, or near tlia; place yrs re n ew. her that thi• Cat .1.-e!;i mid ine he was a relative of the thlracelti at Milan. It is this one I mein. and not the other, which it seemed was the mile (tat aer!ii you knew 7-1 only knew him a frw• days, labile I gas in London. Did nut you and he cline together for ten days suc cessively, last u inter —Nut for eight or ten days. Once or twice then ?--Yes, I renswieber I dissect with him twice. Vas nut this a short time before the death of his late Majesty !---No, afterwards. Did von nut shot a lett. r whirl' you said was a let ter for your wife only re:l:tuber a dispatch which I Will to carry. 11 - A:. it nut a from Lord Stewart MI you not also slam a nunol►er ofloo!eous that you had reeeisell t‘itli the le: er fur my jour ney: which I retched there. _ _ How many did yon .o count ?—•l believe eighty. Will von swear that there were not 1511?-1 du not know precisery, but I can swear there were eighty in gold. Did you n o t say that the person who had giyuu you those had given you more than you a•kud fur your j o urney can't say so, because it nits the money for toy journey. Question repeated ?—I cannot swear any such a thing. Then will you swear that you ilia not tell Ga s-at-chi that whatever yon ask►d, they gave you more --lint I cannot •wear to have nsked fur inure ; nor eats he say that I did ask for more; and as I have sworn this already, 1 cannot swear it a hundred times. B ut w ill y ou swear yes or no, that you dill not tell that to Gas-acrid ?--No, 1 did not say so. Du you know one littiseppe Vitudti ?--No. I mean a person who lives near liyuorpond•streef ; but pm may say, fur I cannot remember that, I eilll/ 4 . here in a sack, and I went away in a trunk, and I Jo lot know the English of all that. Von See when you knew nothing about von recollected it perfectly when I told von the street he lived in Hatton-garden ?—I reutrn►t,ervd her be cause I knew the name of Gavaechi. But you must try to remember 111'46 before I have done with you, do you rrnarsuber an kakis trho frequently at the same place'-1 herr are witty ItaNaa who COMP there and rat after the late Kinprt funeral. Ile carried me about here and there, and told wr this plat., tea. this, and that place w•an that, add how rau remember. I/id you nut gu with him s,anewbere, I care not whore. either on the day or day after the late Nines funeral hare been with him to several places, he told me that un that day the people went to see the King. The Learned Counsel eras about to pelt a question, calling for an explanation of the proceeding, when he was interrupted by sump Noble Peer or Peers. .Ir. Banc.;ltasi.—Aiti I to be thus interrupted by you, my Lords, who i t here as Judges, awl who, in plate of listening with the most implieit obedience to this cross•exansimation, cut short eity questions, out with a loud wire —(Cried of order.) Lord Exmot.:TN then moved that Counsel withdraw. Ilis Lordship then stated that he was not the person who interrupted the Learned Counsel, and be thought it highly indecent and insulting its that Learned person to stan d there and stare him is the face In the manner he had dune. He did not sit there on his honour and with, to be 'Mired by any Counsel.--(Heat, hear.) Lord LAMIDOWNI thought the Coons,' bad pet an onooesssary question. Lord itanK4osuo said the modest of the Coilosrl was highly insulting. _ - . L