The National Register. — London, England, 1820-10-22 00:00:00

.~9!!,_- wished to shut out all enquiry as to the mode in which the ease for the prosecution hod been gut up. that examine/Mau engines go oe. Truth was nil that was wonted by the en quiry; truth was all that those who insisted upon it were in search of.—(Hear, bear.) Lord KEDESDALE wished to have the opinion of the Judges on the subject. The LORD CHANCELLOR begged to state tbeireason which induced him to press the question being put to the Learned Judges. Their Lordships had been engaged between thirty lied forty days for this enquiry. and up to this time they had agreed to be governed by those rules of evidence which obtained in common law, and which were considered to be found injustice, fur if they were not so founded, they might to he changed to-marrow. The Marquis of LANSDOWN understood the Counsel at the bar for her Majesty to state that it was not their object In calling the lest witness, to prove that ha bad been offered a bribe to depose against the Queen, bat that Vilasicarti bad proposed to him to abstract papers from the Queen's Advocate at Milan. The Noble Lord (Lawsdowm) wished skis to be stated in the Trestles, that an attempt to injure the Queen In her defence had been made. by endeavouring to abstract papers from a enafi dentist agent. This was very far different from iodating a person to give testimony against her. It was said, shall we depart from that rule to which we hays hitherto ad beret' ? He beard that remark with astonishment, because their Lordships had not been, nor ought they to be, ad journed. ID a case which made against the Queen, en a former day, after taking the opinion of the Judges, their Loedships, differing from that opinion, permitted the very question to be pet, which the Judges had decided against. This was in the examination of Bauchi. who was asked if Mariett had said any thing to him about giving evidence in the case of the Queen ? Her Attorney General objected to the qnesiion ; Ike Judges were consulted, and agreed that it ought not to be put—and yet, in a subsequent examination, the question thus objected to, and thus de clared to be illegal, was actually put, and it was admitted by their Lordships to have been put fur this very reason, that there was some suspicion that Alarietti might be an agent of the Queen, might he employed by her Majesty. and that lie might have interfered in the bullpen further than lie ought to have done.. When their Lordships hail reason to outmost) that a conspiracy existed, and the Counsel et the bar offered to prove that conspiracy,. how • could they refuse to enter into the inqniry Ought not this conspiracy to be inquired into ?—Hear, hear, hear)., 'their Lordships were proceeding in a bill to depose the! Queen from the Throne, foundedion evidence -which was, declared to have., been obtained by subornation and i bribery. Were their Lordships to peso the bill, to seed' it to the other House. and then ask the royal assent; and, having deposed her Majesty, to cense an inqniry into the evidence by which she bad been so deposed, when, per haps the King had married another wife, and that evi dence should be proved to be false, and that she had been unjustly dethroned and degraded.—Wee wick, the king maker, Lordships to adopt tins course. what remedy could they have?—why no other, than to divorce the King from his mew wife, and to restore the injured and insulted Caroline to her rank and honours. His Lordship concluded a very able speech by saying, that he should vote that the ques tion should not be put to the Judges. Lord KING read part of the minutes, in which the agency of Vitmicarti was distinctly proved; he had agreed to give See res a day to a witness. Ills Lordship said he should Tate against the question being put to the Judges is what ever shape it might appear, bat he thought that the part of the evidence in proof of Yilmicarti's agency, should be averred in the question. Afters few words from Lords Redestiale and Remaly., The LORD CHANCELLOR agreed to adopt the mqr gtstion of Lord King, and insert it in the question. The amended question was then pet to the Judges, who retired. At ten minutes past two o'clock the Judges returned, and The Lord CHIEF JUSTICE staled to the House, that be and his Learned Brothers thought it necessary to have further time, fur the considered's of tits question submit ted to them. • The LORD CHANCELLOR having stated this request of the Judges to the House, moved tisat their Lordships should now adjourn. The Earl of CARNARVON said the technical part of the law had, in his opinion, nothing to do with the con duct which their Lordships were hound to pursue. It was required of them by Ministers that they should give up a human sacrifice, and then inquire whether they were right ar wrong in doing so? It was wasting time to be submitting questions of law to the Judges; it was a waste of that time which should be devoted to the performance of their ditty. Lord ERSK INE said he bad a supplementary prnpo siting to submit, which was calculated to legalize the question against which their Lordships had decided yesterday. It was this—Supposiug, according to the rules of law, es idrnce of a conspiracy to suborn a amines ought not so be admitted, except as fetes relate.' to the prosecutor or agent employed by him, will nut general evidence of such • ciPospirliey be nevertheless, in the lint instance, received as a preliminary step to the institution of criminal proceed lags against the prosecutor leintreif, or his agent ? The LORD CHANCELLOR mid, that though he might dissent from the *pinkie of she Judges ander sock dream stances, he felt bound to propene that this winos should eabmiNed Ile their consideration, Z le addilienal greeliee was them proposed to the Jed gee end the Hew ailjurned at illalf-pitst tan o'clock. IPOVETWITH DAY OP THE DEFENCE. grerassea "Neer. la. The ephistrefise J tma aids* the question. so which they am* b wae ew Anted . eearaived MOM% being ia rt. The Attorney- Gpose • Soft& Pow* was sidled ia. Me. Dummy read the mingles of the evidence given by the witness ens funnel day. Mr. Damara' wished that the questions and answers should be interpreted to die witness, or Mr. Gurney read them. Examined Mr. WILD& Yen stated that Vilinicarti told you to bring him the papers beksetageo her Royal Highness. Did he offer any inducement pabs = l.lg4ese an n i eV—ll me ne ore c m i e that co h t e would times i t y ve me t usual en•ml: • • " Did he state the nature of the employment he would give you ? ...Yes, in dm; police of Milan. Did Jul afterwards pastes 'youne:f of any of her Royal High. • • Dares papers; sed take diem to Vilna:ant The auticil'Oß•GCNEltAf. ohjected to the question. . Di I you, ia ocusequence of your coriversativn with Vilmicuti. , • • • ", . " . R and infamous, at were you told it by another ?...711e • are seamy she set bawdy %Id isgienowsly, awd et - wards d tepemt. and go have I—(Laughter.) Then, having repented in January, you afterwards delivered to Yilmacaru a list of witnesses ?...There were five or six of them, and I wrote their name. Did Vilmacarti pay you for that intelligence P...N0, I gave him the list. Did Reganti pay you ?...I did not give the litt to Reganti, but to Vihnacard._ _ _ Howloniidter this did your master, Codazni, hem of it T.. On the same dal that I gave the list to Vilmocarti, I told it to Codazzi. With the exception of the hut, did you deliver any other paper to Vilmaearti after December ?...No. Will you swear that positively ?...One hundred times. (4 laugh.) Did you ever after that offer papers to Vilmacarti ?...I never called till Colonel Brown sent me. Vilma:arta made his hue payment when Colonel Brown sent me to him, towards the end of March. What sum did you last receive from Yilmacarti. at the end of March ?...Nifty two Byres and a half of Milan. Are you quite we that was at the end of March P... Yes. Will you ►wear that Colonel Brown did not abk you who you were. and that when you retitsed to tell him. be shut the door. and said you should not quit the room until you told who you were P...l swear that is nut true. Did not SM Colonel your giving him the letters, say you were a mast infamou s scoundrel, and that you would end by being hanged ?...He shall be halted, aid not 1, for I haw osoi said so. That it not an answer to the question ; it is not what you said. but what Colonel Brown said. The question was repeated, to which the witness answered, I repeat again it is not true. He gave me the letters, but be said no more ; be shut the door of the mom in order that we should not be heard, and he told me not to speak so bad; and he b d me call spin ou Vilmacarti the neat day, and be would cause Inc to receive . tOO francs. . Did he not. on shutting the door. say you should not go out until you tuld who you were ?...He is a liar it he says so. I swear It. _ _ _ _ Did not Colonel Brown say you was a most infamous fellow? ...I have repeated it many times, he did not say so. Did he not say you would end by being hanged 1.... He never said so. Did he not my something to that calm P...21r0 he did not. I have been seduced by them, and they are more iitanions than I em. 1 tailed twice on Colonel Brown; the first time he was not at home I often saw him wince at Aldan. I never saw him at his house but once. It was about the end of March this year. 1 took to Col. Brown two or three letters. Having said that you aiscovercti for the first time, in the month of January. that it was infamous to betray your master. I want to know 31 you consider it infamous to swear on your oath what is not true swear the truth i, just. What is true, I swear, and what 1 have said I ant ready to swear. I told Codazsi these facts on the 27th of July, and he immediately dismissed me. What are you to have for coming here,...l will receive no. thing. I come here to remedy my error. and speak the truth. I swear I do not expect any compensation for coming here. I akte.tr it is to remedy the evil that I come here. and for no other motive whatever. I have not seen Coilazzi suice I left his service. He never sent for me. Ido not know that he is still employed for her lio)al Highness. Were you examined by Codaxxi on the t7th July ?...I told him of my own accord the whole story. And Codaszi wrote it down ?...No, I did, in my own hand. The SOLICITOII GENERAL said. he had closed his OM. examination. Re•ssainiand by Mr. Wylde. lam twenty two Zara GI age. It was on the day following the interview with Weal Brown that 1 received money from Vilma:std. It seas save that interview that I gave the list of witnesses. The Waikato I received seat from 3So to son trams. The LOUD CHlllClll.l.6liiaediiAnTioani wish - to ask the witness any rowing? No Illwitiews being eased, the witness was ordered to with draw. _ _ Mr. DiOtlONAll=ooerl that Pond might be recalled. by Mr. Wylde. I know a person of tho name of Regents His Christian name is PM W° 1 he oils tabula. monad, ire. When I went to his shop. be had Always amathing mull me. On Illot essasion what dill do ?...I went to beg some thhnitairreagiati add hem s wing I belonged to the Barons harem ever ash dime swamis between her Ro)al Ifighimas and Sagami ? Now is the time to cone forward to mom .win d and become a man." I anewerod s that I had seats.He sed-- ,4 Have you not ems the Pi Meets cut horse back, and Sergami put his hand wader bee petticoats? I told him this was a perfect falsehood; fair, ammad of that, be paid but all pueblo respect and dummy whisk was due to that gnat plesonge I gave up going ft his shop, be annoyed me so much at the fodueet. Cross examined by the Attorney' General. I don't know the time precisely when the conversation I had mentioned took place. He said it so diem that I can mention no particular time. He went even so far as to say that he would wage war against her. Several persons were present at the time. I could name Antonio Harrah; the others I can't tell. I re. member Harrah being present at such conversation only once. Did any thing more pass ?...I said I could say nothing of her Royal Highness. for she was • most just and charitable woman. By Lord LAUDERDALL—Were you yourself at the balls at the Barons ?...I told you so the day before. Were your daughters theme ?...No, because I have got 000 e. How came you to say the other day. that you had stipulated fora byre a day ter your wife, and had a line for your daugh• ters?...l said f.he witness mentioned in Italian dimunitive, nos meaning daughters, but infant boys) I had a son nine years of age, and others were under it. I had daughters, but stay me dead. ilefootio Maud sworn, and examined l iz t. WILLIAMS. I come from Venice. Beton was I em in the Police... Now 1 on a manager of a playhouse. 1 cow Paolo Ziegler who is manager of a theatre. I knew him in Ma.ch, 181 a. I was at • theatre in Venice of St. Luke, in the month of Nu' vember. Zangla received two letters thin at we time. Igm bun open Maui. and make a motion of surpr u se when he read thew- After that. Zangla and 1 went from Venice to Milan foe tire or six days by the Diligence. Thaw was moray deposited Me the use of ' Zangla on the following day at the place of the Diligence, fifteen Napoleons. When we arrived at Milan, we w. nt to Onentale, to look for No. 6(10. Before we came to the door there was a tailor's Mop. Zangla went into number fibu. I waited below. Zan& reivained there about a quarter of an hour. I %%mixt fur hum, and we went together to Use lon. While we rerriaineil at Milan, we went to the house of Vilsnicarti. the Advocate Zangla went into the house, and continued to remain there about all 11041 r and a half. This was on the tollowiug day. I remained below, and Ziui,gla came town. 'lucre was &Wit her 111141. We men went to the house of Major Browne, that, Zangla to;t1 me, was his name. 1 only know one noes named Brown. I dote' know whether he ass a Colonel or a Major for I did not see his belt. I saw lion on the followirj (1.3. when he met Zangla, and Z.angia saki he was Major They did not speals.to each other, but they bowed. name of the street in winch he fitful was Porto Orientide. the Imam was 660. Z.tuiFla went up stairs on the occasion of which I have uuw .poker. Lang:a remained there a quarter of an bout.— VIE NATIONAL REGISTER do any thing with the papers of her Rog* Highness ?-4fet, en she follOwmg day 1 brought him some. •Did Yilmielni say any thing *bait the time you should go to his office ?...He told me to call in the evening. Did he mention any particular time in t h e evening ?...Yes, after sun set. Did you, upon any other occasion. take any papers to Vilma anti relating to the Princess 9...1 did. Fur how long a period were you in the habit of taking bee Royal Highness papers to Vilmacarti ? The SOLICITOR GDNERLL objected to the question. On hew many occasions did, you take papers from Codaxsi to Yilmacarti ?...I do not know bow minty times. Did you do it frequently ?...No. How often do you believe ?...Seven or eight times at the utmost. Did Vilmiearti know you were Clerk to Codazsi when you took the papers ...He knew it, certainly. By whose dodge did you take them P—l don't know the name. Had you may awavallaties with Vilmicarti about taking them 9 —He told me to being is Mtn all the papers I could get. Did yaw issidas way *Ng for taking these papers 9—Money. How dna Al yew Nome money from Yilniaairti for taking hint the PPM. other Royal Highness —Six times. Wets yes awiellail with the money you got from Vilawearti I was not. - Did you ever comploin to Col. Brown. that you did not get money enough from Ifihoaearti for taking papers to him from your master r... 1 soomploinod once. What did Coked Brown say to you on making this com plaint f...lie SUM me that he was a friend to Vilmicarti. and that I ought not to doubt but that he would pay me what he promised. Did you. in consequence of this conversation with Col. Brown, make a fresh application to Vilnuicarti ?...Col. Brown told me to canon Vilmacarti on the following day, and be would give me something. Did you all on Vilmacarti ?...I did. Did you receive any money from him ?...I did. Where does Vihnacarti live in Milan 9...Rne Gabello. Did he live there when you took papyri to him ?...He did. Did he always live there ?...No, when I first took papers to him lie lived in the lane of the Rue G i tbello. Where atdeni:Bro;rtiiiie?::.litiond the bridge at the eastern ste. Do you know the number of the house !...1 do not. To what subject did the papers relate which you took to ilmacarti ? The SOLICITOR-GENERAL objected to the question. Do you know what the papers relate w ?...Some of them. Can you state whit subject they related to ?...One was the de position of foresee de chowsbre who had been sent to Vienna with Baochi. As they went aloe% the lOW Sacchi said— Here the witness was interrupted. I. want to know what the papers related to P.—They were *tan. Any depositions of witnesses P... Not among the letters. They were letters of the Princess, !Sagami, and others. Besides the letters, were there any depositions or statements of witnesses ?...There was not. What other papers were there besides the letters ?...Copies of the answers of the advocate Codusi. Answers to what ?...Answers of Codazzi to Bergami. Any other papers ?...No. Do you know what subject the letters related to?...Sorne of State them ?...One was a letter of Bergaral, who said he would not return to Milan before he saw those persons who were without shoes before, go without shoes again. The Earl of I.IVIERPOOL suggested ) that the last answer should be struck out. _ _ . The LORD CHANCELLOR was of the same opinion ; and the whole of the answer was struck out, except " One woes let ter of Bergaini" State what the letters related to generally ?...Tbe Adteane Vihuacarti told me to bring those letters, particularly the depo sitions of the witnesses. Did ;isacarry — any papers relating to the subject to Vfinineartit Letters, Dot paper. Do you know a person of the name of lieganti /...11 do. Did [legend maize application to you respecting the papers ?... He was at my house. and did apply to me Did you tell Vilmacarti of W's application P... 1 did. I meal Vilmacarti what sort of a man Rqmsti was P—Retold me that be was a person of condition, and that I should gin any Pli glintpeposs did yatee is. Repad rearedne the Alin sneer Whet oak erlisr lle”I Higbee. Nabs Able new Did Bowl bow in whose employment you Ij= knew it, kr he had come m my house = L ater the ilenclm7 of Godadti. and I was the limitary of Did Vilmacarti say any thing more about Itegantre employ. mein ?...He told me that he was a person of character; be g old nothing else. When did you first disclose to Godachi that yen had taken these paps/1?-0n the tyth July. What year ...This year. Do you mean 1820 ?...Yea Was that the first time you interned Godachi?...lt was. Describe Col. Brown's houses are there any goods sold there ? ...There is a shop on both sides of the door. What goods are sold in the shops ?...On the left there is • tailor, on the right a dealer in alabaster. What does Regand sell ?...Tobacco and salt. Mr. %Yvan said he had no further questions to ask. Cross-examined by the Solicitor General. How long were you in the service of Codaaai?...A year and a WE Were you his Clerk all that time ?...Always. Down to the present tiine?...No, to the nth of July. Well, did he turn you out of hii service ?...Yes. Have you ever been in his employment since ?...No. Do you mean to swear than from the 27th of July down to the present time you never have been in the employ of Codassi ? ...kean swear it a thousand times. ------- When was it that you first watt to the Advocate Vilmaearti ? ...September of last year. Can you tell us the day olthe math, —I don't know the day. Tell us about the time ?...I t was towards die end of the month. Lid yat ksow at that Uwe that Vilmsaarti con employed is the prams against her Majnity ?...When I went I knew it. Did yeekbarsw Codasat was in poasession of papers of her Royal Welmesslo...l had them in my own dealt. Did Jed otri, as an honed man. communicate this request to go to VilmeesetVa. to your muter P...N0. Did you net conceive it your duty to do so ?...I thought at the time 1 could du no harm. Did Vilmacaiti pay you anything for the papers you delivered the first dine?...He gave me three double golden Napoleons. and told me they were for sue to take a chop with. What did he pay you fur the second parcel you gave him ?... Pout single Napoleons. When you wok the third parcel what did he pay you ?...He paid me for them at *mike rime. Having carried papers tor so long a period. and having been paid by Vildiacarti. did you ever conniunicate the circumstaace to Coitazzi ?...I never said anything to Cothazi. Did you not think that you were acting a woo infamous part in selling those papers to Viltnacarti ?...l did not the begin ning. -I.t laugh.) When did you discover that this conduct was base and infa mous ?...About the beginning of this year--(A laNgh-) Was it a discovery of your own that this conduct was bass .._ , • . • •