The Statesman. — London, England, 1820-08-23 00:00:00

R Luse with their mother at Naples?--•-He does nut re member. Any where else F••----Ile saw them uhen they were begi.pning a journey to Keene. It is true, then. the Mil. Faleisanti tapir her daughteas us Rome ?.—.Yes. About what age were these two girls ?—He does not reiren.ber., Were they young children or young ladies I—He does not remember. The LURD Cnsura&cols interposed here. The Interpreter had begun before the witness had con cluded his answer. It was fit tAet the evidence of the wiT . ess should be - taken altogr4er. The SOLIcITORMINERAL complained, Ant Mr. Brougham would not alio* the witness to continue irrianxwer.• Mr. Bnovuttcm explained, that he had interposed only because the witness, after giving a distinct an swer to the question, was going into matter not m iss-ant to the question. the LORD CHANCELLOR said, the witness had cer tainly not finished his answer. It was impossible for Mr. Brougham to see this, as his back was turned to the witness. The last question was again put to the witness. Were they young children ( lonii,ine piceolime), or young ladies (grande)P—Young ladies. f3id you see Lady Charlotte Lindsay, or any other beside Mad. Falconetti, after her Royal High ..atiris left Naples ?—He does not remember. Did he ne►er see more than one English Lady in her hvusehold at the same tune?—This he does not res. nienaber. The constant repetition of one answer (eon rsi fire; do) to the various questions put' to this witness, had appeared frequently, in the course of his cross examination, to produce a considerable sensation in the House. Signor Spinetto, the interpreter, here took occoiun topbserve. that the words non mi rieordo admitted of a larger construction than the literal translation of those words implied.--The phrase frequently implied what is understood by the English expressions, " I don't know," " I did not see it,•' •• I sin not aware of 1:, ' lac. If, therefore, he adhered on all occasion. tu. a literal translation of these words, he might fre quently give an air of absurdity to the witness's an . swum which they did not deserve. He appealed to her Majesty's Interpreter whether he had nut correctly stited this distinction. LSO. - Baotrauase said, it would be childish in him to alma io his own knowledge of Italian, but a nun must be utterly ignorant indeed of that laatttage' -. be must be something more than trutnontane, if he be lieved the same Italian phrase sometimes to mean " I dira'ntrecollect," and sometimes " I don't know." The ',likened Gentleman then asked Sig. Corti, her Mcjesty'e Interpreter. whether the phrase a no* phi ricordo" i do not recollect," ever had the same import us ".nois so" " I don't know, or "sox rho vitiate" "I did not see it ?" The Interpreter replied that it never •- had, and the witness beiiig infertorated as to the' • 'Rowan of his last answer said, he meant he did sot vied:set to have seen more than one Bnglish Lady in •b• . b e er Majesty's household. . . • lias witness gave us ao account yesterday that be 'inimical at bergami's door at Genoa, so loudly, that he must have heard Sim, and that he made no answer ? —Yes. *hat sort of people were they that Caine Into the house, to induce the witness to knock up Bergami ?--- . I; was the time that a theft was committed. • foes he mean t 3 say that robbers had broken in, or tteatened to break into the house ?----Yes. Was not the alarm given that part of his (the wig. _ seas s) friend Ouapteda's gang had broken into the • . Alstam The Soucteon-GaNiteaL objected to this qnestion. His Learned !Friend assumed that Ompteda was the friend of the witness, and he also assumed that there pgs a gang. Mr. Biwoonse.—He was the prime mover, the chief, the ringleader of the gang.---(Order, order.)---- Then see will go by steps. The Lone CHANCELLOR....-.lt is certainly very irre. pig, to assume this, instead of elleitiog the evidence it steps. Mr. Boouoitam. resumed. :Did not same persons come and attack a window of ilps house ?—Some robbers. • • ~ Did not the witness go the window ?---He opened *a window and saw a tall person; he went opt with a Ape. and fired upon the least of them, who ran away. • • A Noble Lord in the gallery moved that the Conn and Agents do withdraw. , n • . s Cries of---" Willis sew, withdrew." The same Noble L or d.--I wish to know If Ale William Gell be a witness summoned on either side ? the Lord Cuaecitusese•—lle Is a wituess summoned en the part of the Queen. The same Noble Lord.—l wish to know if he be „iirlinett ? et I Mr; William Gell was now pointed out below the silac • • The woe Lord.—l understood it was order ' a" thal th e • s , witnesses on neither side should be al losied to be present ? Several Noble Lords now commented on the pre , vacs of Sir William 001 in defiance of that order ; „OIL. after 'thou debate, an order was made, that no . , witness who was a. present in future should be exa. waited on either side, without 'pedal leave from the . AV*: • Cross-osaminition resumed. , itlbee the robbers had attacked and threatened the ~Aosnist, aid you fired in the manner you described, ' pot OW whole family alarmed immediately after I had fired, ran ioiinock at the door where Der. . tai slept, and then running down the stairs. I found . the people coming down. • Did you see any one amongst them with a drawn : sword on that occasion cannot remember. Was Captain Hoboes there ?—1 don't remember. ! .Was Hieronymus there?—l don't remember. The' was tlissie,lnalf cannot say Individually. „, L ram Bergamot q ?...Te l t.. l Saw him there. • i 4w keg attor M Mean was it when you 4 1 64 at 91" , e}loior hireimors elittaber 1-1 knoek n, a the door witbta Ihreeltitioutet! Within throe minutes after you fired the piece es. L...imiim . 4. After knocking-at Berg mi's ,'..or, him time. did you open the dour tv open the dour. Where were you when Berge:111 came *at ?girl knocked at the door, and not getting an answer, ion loom stair., where I saw all the fancily and Bergami. How soon after you fired the piece, did yon see Bee. 7ami and the rest of the household come out ?—1 &en, then went and knocked at Bergand's door, got no an swer, ran' back to the place wit-ay I fired, and said robh•rs, robbers, we have in the house; remained there, an.: the people retired. • • How long did you remain at Bergami's door?--- I remained 110010 time, and knocked louder and louder. Did you go below from Bergawi's door :---I went to where the robbers were. Where did you first see Bergatui after that time? ----in the same room where I returned, and where the robbers were. You said that her Royal Highness went to the, Grand Bretagne at Venice ?---Yes. What room was next to her Royal Highness's bed room at that Hotel?--A great saloon, and in OW corner a door which led to her bed-chamber. What other room was neat to that of the Prians and opening into it ?---On one side was a saints% seti.; another a door to a room, and on another ~tilt windows. Was there any oth,e room on any of the foot' asim of the room in which her Royal Highness slept Es.-ss There was on two sides, a room, and on the third 10.0 • other rooms. Was there not a room used as a sitting room, which opened into the queen's bed room?---There was,but I do not know what use was made of it. Where did Ilieronynots sleep ?---.Von we/ ricordo. I do not remember. Where dill Capt. Hultman sleep . :----„Von me dearth., T don't remember. • Where did Mr. Austin sleep rieurdo.• don't remember. Was ilieronymous at Venice?----Yes. Was I 'apt. Holtman at Venice?---Yes. Was Williaut Austin there --Yes. • IVas Camera there?--No. Was Victorine, lierganti's child, there?---I thee rem, m b er . Did the child sleep generally with the Princess, af ter she came to lice with her Royal Highness de not know. Did you ever know her to have slept ijs • any other I art uf.the house ?--11 do not know. / • Or on board the ships ? I do not !owls% Do von know whether site slept in any other parte of the houses which the Princess inhabited, and the ships in which she went, beside , the arartment of the Princess ? --Sometimes she slept under the pavilion of the Princess. [Here the Interpreter observed to the House, that the witness, from the difficulty he found to , wake him understand his meaning, appeared incapable of com prehending the most common words of his native lea- guar.] Will you swear that you ever kue.w the child Vic torine to sleep in any other part of the house, except where the Prircess slept ?--Sometimes she slept iu the pavilion with the Prisms, sometimes on the bed in the Princess's room below, and sometimes with the [Lime Whom do yos wean by the Lady of Honour ?--The Countess Oldi. Who beside yourself ever saw the child Vic!orine sleeping out of the beJ of her Royal Highness ?---I don't know. Did y.,u yourself ever see Victorine in a beJ or in a room in which her Royal highness was not to sleep ? I bare never seen any. Did Mr. Burrell, an English Gentleman, go to Venice with her Royal Highuessi.—Noa m ricordo. I don't remember. Do you recollect a gentleman of that name in the family of her Royal Highness fur any length of time --Yes. When and where did you see him ?—At Villa Vil lani and at Milan. Did you see him at the Boro'•ieu Islands ?.—Nost od record°. I don't remember. At Venictr?—.Voq mi ricordo. I don't remember. When her Royal Highness the second time visited Genoa, was the arrangementof the rooms, with reaped to the Princess and Bergansi, the same as on the tint visit ?—The Princess only stopped at Genoa once; the second time she went en board the ship. Flare you ever seen the villa d'Este since I:—Yes. Was the disposition of the rooms the same as before, with respect to the rooms of Bergs:sal and the Prin cess ?--!'hey were not. • Was there not a staircase or landing-glace nn the side of the Princess's room ?—There was a small cor ridor. • - Was there not a sitting.e ous , on • the ether side ? There was on one aisle a small corridor- or folding door, on the left a small cabinet, et the epdof which was another door which led to the supper-roota. Did not the supper-room communioate with another min where the maids stept ?—On the 'right of the -"supper-room there was a room where Bergaesi slept, on the left was an alcove where there wts a bed. • How many doors were there in the sitting-room I saw two open. Where did her Royal Highness's maid sleep?—in another part. By whit passage did the maid-servants get to her Royal Highness's bed-rooro?—Through the small cor ridor or folding-door. Mr. Bnoton.sat—Upon the journey when her Royal Highness used tents for resting in, he has tnhi its that her practice was to travel by night, and to rest by day..—Yes. Did her Royal Highness ride on this journey ?- -She rode on horseback,. About how many hours, as near as be can state, was she in the'habit of riding before sbe.stopped to pitch her tents for the day ?---She mounted an horseback at Ann-set, andslitmounted when the Son rose the follow ing morning.. About how nsany hours - was this ?—He does au: re- Collect. Was it four hours i--fle can't srti•. Will the witness take upon himself to swear that he did not souietims‘ rid; in the :horning fur hu%trs witheut LaMug , •llt• do! s n r .4; oi!ect that she vat Ivry tired, heraeliou urLish sofa. flare you not seen her attendants supporting her from excess of beat 7.—Could not remember. I understand there were nu bedclothes put upon the sofa in her Majesty's tent; am I correct 7—Does not remember. Was it nut put down as it *as carried, as a com mon sofa is a room 7—There was a pillow, and the sofa was placed near it. The other couch in her Majesty's tent was an iron bedstead I believe; was there not a mattress belong ing to it to render it more soft to lie upon 1 0 *7'here was. Was it not cued in leather ?—Don't recuHect. Wu it not your office to put it there yourself?—lt was my office to place the bed. These were the same be,:steads and sofa that were used on board the Polaere ?—lhat he doss not. re collect. If it was nut the same identical sofa, was it not so like that von might mistake one fur the other?—He does not remember. Was it not the constant practice of her Royal High ness to throw herself down in the middle of the day to re •:t ?—That he does not remember. faciesCon repeated 7—l paid no attention. ' Will you take upon yourself to ?wear that during that journey and voyage the Princess ever took off one stitch of her elothes?--After her Royal Mgt ness had distnonnted from the horse she undressed, before she went to rest. What part of her Royal Iliglin,ss's clothes do you mean to swear site took off fur .that purte•te 7—The upper garments. Do you mean to say that she took off her row-it, or a suaoet, or cloak she had been riding with ?---Does nut reinetaber.• Was•there not a cloak her Royal Highness threw over herself immediately on dismouttting,,fer the pur pose of reposing in it ?---That he 41 0 01 recollect. Did She put on a mantle when she mounted ? Does not ri member. _ _ Were there sheets or blankets *miler the *Oh or bed where a person taking rOtheirelotlos might teat in P-- 1 pnt a pillow there, anti then retired. You did not put any sheet• or blankets ?—I do not rerneinkr ! Will you swear you never saw, during the land or , sea journey in Palestine, one smelt of bed-clothes ?— Thai I dose! reinctriber ! Who, except yourself and Carlini, ever made those beds, either on land or sea ?--Tfist / don't seeollect Have yon not sworn it wrs yoar's and Carlini's duty to place those bed ?--I placed the beds there and went out. . • • Nuw as you have told n• that you placed them there, pruy who rensoved thctu in the morning;--That I don't )c,r . tiptoe r. Will you swear Aikt it wa% not yourself ?—Titiie I 00 Y 1111:14131•11t ! • tpon being pressed further, he made the following statement, evincing perfect knowl.ige of what he had the moment before declared his total ignorance: " In the evening, I was ordered to make the bah; I carried the et:id/ion there; and is Me morsisf called a,:d took die eatable,* *raj for it was not a matrimonial bed, not a large bed, but merely a single cushion that I placed there !" Have you ever seen Billy Austin in the tent resting in the sauce way ?----I do not recollect. Have you ever seen Hieronymus there?---1 do not recollect. • Where di.l you sleep yourself ?--On the sofa in the room where they dined. Always ?--When I was unwell I went to the ham mock below. W here did the maids aleep?--I do not know. Where did Capt. Flynn aleep?----I do not know. You kn .w that there Ira; such a person on board, a sea officer ?—Yes. Was not Lieut. Flynn (as the witness calls him), in her Royal Highness's suite on the land u well as Ilse sea voyage ?--I do not remember. Did you ever see him at the Villa d'Este, or the Villa Villani, or at any other Villa?--1 don't recollect. ion must recollect when you saw Capt. Flynn the last time ?--I do not recollect. Were you ever sick on board the vessel ?—[Some dis pute having arisen with respect to the accuracy of the translation of the answer to this question, the other trans lator was called upon. Eventually, the answer was al lowed to be to the following effect] :—When on board I was more unwell than well. I was almost always unwell. Have you not for days together never made your ap pearance on deck?—Sometimes I was a whole day with out coining up. Will you swear that yen Srere.sot sometimes several days together, snore than two whole days, without cow ing tip on deck P--f was whole clays together without coming up. [Some .Noble Lords appeared to dissent , from the accuracy of the translation of this answer.] Will you swear that you were never during the whole voyage more than one day and night together without coining upon deck ?—{!Soiree difficulty being ex perienced by the translator to interpret the answer to this question, he addressed the House to the following effect :—" My Lords, with all possible submission I beg to observe, that 1 cannot translate 'What he says, literally. If I had a man of talent to deal with I should have no difficulty, but with the farfellonian lianteluke by my side—(A laugh)—it is impossible for me not sometimes to feel difficulty. After a short discussion it was ordered that the other interpreter should translate the answer. The question havi4 been pat again. the -answer was —Yes. Were you the only person on deck in that part of the ship where the trnt was?-1 did not sleep on the deck. When you saw her Royal Highness in the tent before you went below. were you the only person on the deck ? do net remember. Were there no sailors on board ?-11nay. Did they never come on deck ?—I do not rtrollect. Did those excellent sailors always rentals belowt-4 eaa ot know where they were at night. Rat you taw sailnev there during the day !—Yea. hue many sailors were there on board?—l do ItOt le number. Were there four !--1 do not know 1 Wei ere nitre twenty-two ?-11 cannot About what size was the ship ?----I no knowledge of Mips. So that, whether there were two. or two olt a hoarti. you cannot tale upon yourself to I cannot tell. Was there a captain of the ship ?—' snap. A t :"N \ t k ~ ll' of Qldl ?—I do not recollect. • , P. "to ~ '~ ---, bolo ogiag to thostup?._ / is below ?—I know I skip lleno, In what part of the ship was the regular place forth livery servants of her Ro}al Highness to aleept—i ow know ; 1 410 not remrmbrr. Wave not roe • livery-certain i—Yea. Pow many masts had the vessel 1--Three. Will you swear that she was not a s hi p of three h 00 66 ' tons l--illeveral Noble Lords appeared to consider unfit question.]-1 have no knowledge of ships. When her Royal Highness slept bele*. kid sho w , mom la the Inside beyond the dining room 1-1 do is' w : collect. Where did her Royal Highness sleep on the voyag e r fat Sicily to Tunis t-1 do not remembers. Where did she sleep on the voyage trom'renis to c ilia , tiolple•t—l do not remember. When did she sleep upon the voyage from Coons** to Paleatiue t—l do not remember. Warr. did Bergami sleep on those three voyages?-4 6 rot know. Where d d you sleep yourself; below, in the holdt—T e. Were von ever in the dining-room is wMek the bluin g used to dine on board shipt—Yee. How many doors were there in the roast-4 d o I , x , member. Do you know that there were two rooms wand on it that room in the inside t—l do not remember. Was not the bath, when the bath was takto by her btu Highness, always taken in the dieing-room Itself 1..-N o t 4 the dlniog-room, bet in the room nest to It—enather wai room. Where I—ln another small room beyond. Do you mean that after entering from the forapass e t‘ vessel lino the dining-room, there was thee a mall ream As soon as you were inside the dialog-room Mercian small room Inside where her Royal Highness toe} Rain" [Here her Majesty retired, followed by Lady Amelia. How °Rem will you swear that her Royal Highness tee the bath during the voyage ;—I can swear to two dim Was it Bergawi's nice to prepare the bath for bet leye Richness don't know. I believe not. Whose nice was it in her Royal Highness's bommesldt I do not know. _ Was It your otace?-1 was ordered to nrry valor lOW bath. Did you earn the water into the bath itself, wooly is Ile door nf the ditang-room?-1 was ordered to make the balk. I used to half fill it with water. I then celled ;be put his hand in to ascertain the temperatere, lat e r. to get ready more hot triter, as it might be sees nary: When you half filled the bath, and afterwaads called Sur. gam!. was dn) one else in the room but Beeped sad your self ?—No one else. Did you not retire. and leave Herpes/ bate if dm halk was rightly prepared—rightly Melee—Alter ealliag Ber g smi. sod after be bad thrust ,his hand iMe lath le sseer irin the temperature, be ordered me to got toady MOM water to give hint. if necessary. Its the dining-room was there not another roma eras* into it, besides the room in which the bath was I-1 is ash r 1F itl you take up'n you to swear tilt there vier* not tut lurtruents—ooa for thoPrineses, the east for tat Cowan Will you swear that Maurice Camara did not steep tirts! -I newer saw him. Did you never see Maurice Camera on the map at 11l du nut Meow where he slept. It as he not on board and with her Royal Higher Jiir:og the whole voyage ?—Yu. lint yon swear that he did not sleep b that reem2—l cannot swear. Does witness know whether Camera was a maid Bergawi ?-1 do not know. I ask if witness had heard any persons laiwissihr 1 Berg:sail and Camera were related ?--al serer mentioned. What number of maid secants attended bee ! ilighnees daring the hong voyage of which WWI spoken ?--Maur se t Dumont, a servant Named Bess* (as we understood), and the Countess of Oldi, riterki her Itoyal Highness. Has the witness seen Mademoiselle Dismost deers his dismissal from the service °Chet Royal Highaese2-1 have since seen her at Naples, but 1 cannot mosaic when. At what particular period did witaess last see lim% sell, Duitio.it 2—l last saw her at Pesaro; it rude I had left the service of her Royal Highness. Has the witness seen Blani'selle Dumont sisse2— Never. Has witness nor seen this person at say period Mist? —Never. j Does witness know where Matn'selle Damsel is st I present?-1 do not. I Does witness know whether Mam'selle Dement is dNi Or alive.at this moment?-1 rannot tell. Has the witness ever beard of Maueselle Dumont she he left the villa d'Este.2--Never. Has the witness beard her talked of since the paid to which he allulles?—No. Did witness never hear her name asentioned Bimodal period of which he has spoken?—Nave to the bests( my recollection. Hes witness heard the name of Siipise saitatimml siw he leg Pesaro?-1 have. Has witness seen Saltine since —Yes;? E spittle he once at the Piazza, at Milan. Did witness speak to this person more titan ONO MO his departure from Pesaro ? —Not more dim sae, es hi as I recollect. I do not say that I baronet spokestetime to hi.. 14 is possible thit I have, bet Ido not mole it. Now will you toll as who were by at the time ohm you say you saw the Princess and Bergansi at hemlllo at any time?--(There was a short pause *a the pet ep witness.) You yesterday said that you had met the PAW sod Beigand at breakfast together ?—Yes. Who else saw them besides ilieronymat and yawl The Souciroa-listaltßaL—" 1 object to dared , I do not recollect witness's Basing said wax proem when the Princess sod together. It is for my Learned Friend to shew Saw has been said before he pats the quest/as. (Examination continued by Mr. Breathes) t. Yoa yourself saw the Princess and Rergami at Way fast together?-1 did. Walfileronytous present op such occasion 2—lie 0 lisisamber. Vim the Countess of Oldi present 2-1 de est fo somber. Was not Hieronymus present on ems evades At the Princess sod &rpm breakfasted ergiehref-: set remember. He aright hare tress peasest. ' set recollect it. Who was present, beside yourself, at the time rol!, you saw ber lop{ Highness sad Bereed Wad ow departure to make sours purchases in Melly ? The Souctroa-Ciamitut.--fire fact to whirl of I Learned Friend anodes took place at lamina. Mr. BROUGHAM—My Leeds, Messina is, 1 begeor ,° (Here Mr. Garvey, the abort-hand %I rain. will a fri l qeestieo. It was as we have stated - mole present than the P&P* . wham, be ewe Ti-rF, • ATEsNIAN..&. a .. . mi's i'ioor, and not t 'nr l *as slot her teal: duor to are ?----1 did nut when s!ic dis nted it that ah• wit VPTV ti Tril . • extrowe i t f l ike d Were therei7anhno where e o t wl h bo e u r o. s lept c rba I f n i: imm inu meed risil i f te ?i y — w ir cn wr to said t "a4t sl 1 do ept et • . L be day f—Yee , on to read the geniise. It was as we hare slaw • ottard 7-1 do mot know Answer—l saw nose else present than the IMP Bartolooso lierprand, and myself. the newber. Who was peseest, besides witness.whoa he oho et Swear so the weber. t h e prism. w oo B erfa u s i at the time •Pribeirr 1 ' catul°l tali foe I 11" t isi b i as l N Italy — !—.I saw so oilier perinea it sailers r two and tw % ma t bow Ibietresa. Bergsma of , sad alia' l4 isty srlf to swear 1--No, so,' _attr diaper N ::"" M. gmus plus on tbe deck lito wok s—A.s. w as Nader the deck. brion •Yes. the owner of the Pal meet V. • '• - • • After dame was 11?—tts. I ",," P 6, \ - •