The Statesman. — London, England, 1819-06-15 00:00:00

The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said a few wee ds, *kith. es far as we could but them, were to the same eifect. Lea MILTON observed, that the question wee, ni noskur the Bill allodeti to, and the other Bills of the moo damriotion were for the supplies of the 'ter? Ile theright the, were not so. They were not to f am ish lite supplies of the year, but to sip ped@ Spiting Food for the redacting of the National DA.. Now it appeared to him, that not being Bills for fereisling the supplies of the year, the Hesse ought set to dose its doors areinst Petitions which might he presented •pinst them. 'tnis was a per. lismesitary distinction, which, he believed had bees tecognizoil mom thee oiler. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER mode two or three observations, which were wholly inaudible In the gallety. The SPEAKER observed, that he believed all Re snlistlons agreed to in a Committee of Ways and Means were, without distinction, considered to be for the asppiia of the year. Ile was not aware of the prieHashility of making any distinction on the ambled. Lord MILTON, in explanation, stated. that It was is the knowledge of the Mouse of Commons, that the Bills in question were founded on Resolu tions originally Gyred to in • Committee of the whole House, het not la the Committee of Wets and Means ; end that it was spftilicilly steel is those Resolutions. that it was expedient to make en addi tion to the Sinking Fund. lir, S. WOR ITEY said, that he bad two Peti tions so the subject, both representing the releirits Oleos of the proposed Tat. As it seemed not I. be the disposition of the noose to receive these Teti. tuns, he gas. sootier, that when the Consolidation Bill want into the Committee, be would take the sense ef the Hoeft en that proposition which respected the prrApeeed increase in the Daly our foreign Wool. laird LAIICELLFS, in aseeequeoce, asked the Right Hen. Chancellor of the Eaelisqlser,. when he meant to propose that the Consolidation Bill should be committed? _ _ - - The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER replied, on Monday. Lord LASCELLES declared, that he should cer tainly join in opposition toe mestere, which threat seed lobe of the most injurious Ware, inarnsing, as it did, s duty on the raw material of a manufacture. which, although he 'beta at all times object to its being lased, was, at the present moment, peeuliarly Incapable of sustaining any increased pressure. Mr. CALCRAFT said, that vrofeuing, as the House did, to open its doors wits to the prayers of the People, it freight toe-nsider what it was about to do in rejecting these Petitions; sod not add In the burden which it was intended to impose, the 'flint. lion which most he esti rd by its refusal to receive them. He denied that the duties sgsinst •hich they were directed were, faint) speaking, for the supplies of the year. In the gist place, they were not sums liy voted. In the nest place, the supplies of the year were 'pectic services, for which lams were •ntood. Besides, it was avowedly known, that the doves in qeestion were for the purpose of adding to the &skin* rand, and cattail -rutty not for the sup plies of the year. If, therefore, by any favourable construction, the Positions could he received, he toasted, notwithstauding what had fal'en from the Chair (to which. ao Member was disposed to bow with more defector.) that they wool , ' not he reject. ed. He should veronwinend to his Noble Felted to take the sons* of .he House on the subject. Mr. ROBINSON observed, ~ hat whenever a Loae bed boots seised, a SinlaiNt Food was provided for, end, therefore. that tte moon, duties were ow a footing ptecisels similar to the duties which for many years 11.41 Mee imposed, and soinst the Hills for iraposin4 which, the House bad never allowed Petitions to he presented. Mr I,UiIiINGTON said a few words to 'bemse aces. Mr. DICKINSON, as the iv pay the Rooftop. peered to he a l otost treeivitti the l'ethoo, requested sod obtained leave to oith.itaw WRIAHAM IN CLOSURE. Mr CURWEN ap.v.4,1 Ow se•cipossitotest of Ow NYrelliao Intlosers BM. Attar a .host dismission. in witif Ma. ;.Vise. Mr. Aligerwen Waisinan, Inge! W00t....0ti Me Wrota purticipaud, the motion was misfired with. oft a divisi.,n. Mr. HUTCHINSON prooopittl w o w p o titions frost the itogisirsr and ether OBcer• of the High Cool of Chsocery, io !resod, praying for reasono. Mien In the tient of rho Hill for ',plating the Fees of that Court being passed io a Is w.—Ordered to lie on !ha table. _ _ _ M r. GOOCII weaseled a Petition front the Farmers end Dealer, attending Ipeekb Coro Market, prey. in that no additional dal, etisbt be laid oe Matto.— Ordered to lee en oho table. _ _ Lord MILL ON presented a Petition from Dews bury, praying that no additional doty inigot he laid upon bialt.—Ordered to be laid upon the table. The Noble lord thee presented another Petition from certain Manufacturers in Wool, praying that She proposed additional duty upon it might not be pawned into a law. It had been laid down, the Noble Lord observed, that Petitions such as he had then the honour to present ' could riot be received, us bsiog against Dist which had been proposed. This bet contended was a mistaken stew of the question. Upon the Joan's!, of the Hoes. there was s case which occurred in the year 1733. Upon that occa sion the Sheriffs of Loi.doo presented a Petition ogaidit a proposed 'miens of th. Ezeise Dative, praying that the Citizens of London alight be heart'. by themselves. or Costae% stalust tho proposed tat. This Petition was opposed, and after several precodeats bad been fleeted, a motif o was made, that the Petitioners be heard by their smives, or Coon• sot, agaiost the Hill. This part of the motion was wegatived by 214 Noes agalost l(7 Ayes; bus! it less egred that the Petition should lie or. Kr ...Wit WI the second reading of the fill. This he cooceived a case quits is poist, anti from ti is wt .:debt he inferred that the Petition which he then p:earitert oriole be 'received. The Petitioners roneplviiitd of the severs pressure which the increased cloy on foreign V. nal memild entail rr e cin she., and pi sy id that tht House might not monies any addition to the ditties at pre sent ezistiog. THE STATESMAN. Mr. NUAlliptiON conceived that the peasant Pe. 'Mon was similar to these which bad hems already withdrawn, as tieing opium a proposed tag. The Noble Lord might hem found, spoil a little eaamisa ties, that the case to which ho had alluded was net lone precisely in point, as the law respecting the Ba lch* was one of regulation. not of an additional tax. That this tea was for the support of the Stoking Fend, was an mammies impression; it was like any other tag lee the Ways and Means of the year and be conceived the Boon meld not receive the Pt:iffiest wales§ they admitted the principle of tactility pill , tiows against proposed Teem. After e few words (rota Mr. L. WELLESLEY end Mr. P. MOORE, which were net perfectly audible la the gallery, Mr. BROUGHAM observed, that he eould net ogre, with the construction which the Right lion. Geellemaa (Mr. Ileskisson) bad pet upon the pre cedent quoted by the Noble bard. If the Polities of the City of Londe. had been objectionable, es being against a proposed las, it would not, he maintained, have bees received. It would not have been ordered to lie upon the table till the second readicg, as was the case is the iostance alieded to. In 1 720, a Poi. Mon . was received from the incorporated compeny of soap.maken and cheediers, against an increased las spots soap. This petition was cot allowed to upon limitable, but it was read, and he coloceived the same should be adopted in the present case. The Petition should at lean be brought op and rnd.— Tipen the priSeiple epos which this was objected to, he cootaided, on the authority of Mr. Nitwit, that the same objection would lie against any measure in priigrese through the ammo. Lord CASTLEREAGH thought that It wean be better met to have the Petition brought op, than to have it rejected when med. In can 4.1 • R••• 10. ties foe a new Ms, time was a great difference from a Bill brought in. Mr. STUART WORTLEY said, that the mason why he lied withdraen the Petitions which he had resealed, was, that he oadersteed those to he con. trail to the established asap of t►e House. In the case of the Petition in 1733, it shoold bo recollected that it was presented by the Sheriff's of blades, who, by an ancient privilege, had a eight to firmest Peti. floes from the City of Load's to the Hoses. The Herne, therefore, could not tom, anal the Peti tion was reed, whet were Its stootents, end then. lore no argtheetet could be foaoded open its beteg received. Mr. BROUGIIAM admitted dist no argeseet could rest epos the mere reception of a Peittion pre sented by the Sheiks ; bet in 1!.o case (tied, the Pe tition was not ouly reeel‘td, but ordered to He en the table till the sec ' tea.h.tig of the Mil. which would not li.se been the case if the Hoese had then conceived tint a Patties) against a proposed me should not be admitted. The yeestiou was then pet, and the Petition was rejected oiihoot a 410600. From the Noble Lord through whom the counteol• cation was made, he had received tech an endive as the time and the circumstance of the Hon. Menthol's being then In et tendance on en Election Committee permitted. Ile mated, that from the recollects, which ho retained of what be bad said, he sues cow oilseed that he could not have preferred such a Aare, ; hat as hotted not seen the Pepe?, he could not answer positively With respect In it. At the desire of the lion. Gentleman, be (Mr. Contain) sent the News paper in question in him (Mr. Hume); and the re. salt of this senors had twee, that the Hoc. Gentle. man bed sent lam a most candid, a most benoursble, e most satisfscsory, and • most gentlemanly 'opts's lion of the words which he had used, and had stated in it, that the representations of the Newspaper were totally incorrect. In consequence of this di claimer, he had given the Hon. Gent. notice, en Sa -1 torday,that he should Whig this breed of privilege and this those of indolenCebrfore the notice of the Howse. It such a breach of privilege was allowed to go on. checked, what would be the consequence I it Weald be in the power of any individual to publish to the world any slander whit* be might think prow, regarding its Members. For, whet **real wrimperite to which he could appeal? The Courts of Law were good for nothing : if he carried it to the Coed of King's Bench, he would not be snowed to produce evidence to show whether what had been imputed to the lion. Gentleman bad been said or not; and although he weight gain satiafitejoll for 'beset, he might gain it from so innocent ;wean, who hod given a rue report. As little could the Maass siford him redress, 11011.111 the Newspaper was in fault, and sinless such an admission were made, as en this occasion had been made, by the Hon Gentlentlo.— Ile could net have colluded any eviCnoco nn the point from those who heard the obnosious eslertions, became every mast t• whom hp had applied. WV" huts known the object for which he was collecting it, sod no man who did not possess t he very strongest serves would give sods information as would lead two individuals to that 'dimity which was nut to be namatiosed. i« laying the Paper which contained It Gatlin tahls of tate Mose, be was following that Hue of conduct which his conscience suggested to hint to he correct, sod was not gratifying any private views or feelings of his own. He thought it ewly fair to inform the Mese, that there was in tho Newspaper of that morning an apology or as atonement for the trio-statemeat which bad appeared ; in It he wield read the paragraph to the Hoes', sad would then give them his opinion of it. The Right lion. Gentleman then read the following paragraph from the limas of yesterday :—" We regret to state, that a considerable error crept into our ac count of Mr. Home's speech on hiinging op the Re port of the Committee on the Fistaare Itesolutichs on Tuesday evening. In the err macs f mater which most every night he g. t r. for the Press, after the debates in the two flosses aro coded, or while they ere going on, it is impossible that mis takes should not sometimes occur. We can only say, that it is oar most analogs desire to send forth a jest and impartial representation of what passes ; sod whenever we fail of success, such are still the pains we take, that we should hardly We to solicit indulgence open the pies of incerie our faits.. most be laid to the imperfection of our cam. mon nature—' humane parum cavil nature Mr. Horne spoke with much feeling and animation of the distresses of the poor, and observing, as we understood by a reporter, a smile open the Ministe. riot be•tclitts, is represented by es as male, only one Hight lion. Gent. Mr. Canning, with indelgieg in laughter i it. so serious a subject. That Right Hon. Gentleman, we have since learned, was not present. We shall out new repeat the offensive passage for the sake of commit g it ; solace it to say, that Mr. Can. niug was set attacked as described in our report. We ere enabled, from the most authentic source, to lay before our readers the postage which was so liaison. &Wood by our reporter." After be had finished trailing it, he resumed.—lf this present were a case of omissioo, or of accidental mistake. be should be the last velum in the world to complain tif it ; but what lacuna, what error, or what mistake could Ind the sailor of this ealntnnious paragraph to the belief that he (Mr. Canning) was prevent at the debate, anti th .e *se had joioed in a laseh wheat the euffeila.gs of the poor. lie wished to peas upon the unties/ of thit lioumi, what bed been the effect of ibis error. Thu para. graph bad first tinkered on Wednesday last, end had not Deco atreditted tilt this present Monday ;in the meantime every Sunday Paper, an.' also every Provincial Paper, had copied the parsgrsph, with this lying representation ; from which his iepotation was in imesisent denger. Ile had now discharged his dewy in laying this ease before flap House, as also what. had been said in automation of it ; salt related to himself peisiantilly, be should not suggest to the House the mode is which they ought to dive.• of it; but he trussed they would dispose of it in sods a man. user as would vindicate the privileges of the House, sod secure to thameelves those immunities eu which Me rights and liberties of the country so essentially depend. The Right Hon. Geetfeman then rat down; after which the clerk proceeded to read lb. two pais. graphs to which Mr. Calming bad called the atten tion eight House. After the reading of these Perm was cenel•ded, a abort passe mood, which was ended by the rising of Mr. HUM E. He would sate, as concisely as he could to the House, the view which he had takes of the pr•seot question. Oa All sight provines to the day on which he had received Mr. Canning's first cumeto. citation he bad been is the Howe till • very late boar, end as he had occasion fn attend an Election Committee that day at 10 o'clock, be had left his homiest nine. This prevented him from paying lame. dime attention to the Right Honourable Gentleman's communication ; but when he did read its contents, he felt convinced that be could not have said any thing which could be coostrued hits • personal et. tack upon that Right Hsu. Gentleman. He. there for., had no hesitation is addressing • letter to the Right Hen. Gentleman, stating, that though he had , sot seen the Newspaper, there was sot *single stu tters in his speech wi,ieh coshd he considered as an attack epos his character. Anaises, however, that no ties should be lost before the misrepresentation was retrieved, ha wrete to the Right Hon. Gentle 's*n a letter. in which he requested that a ropy of the Newspaper should be not to tir, with the pers. PRIVILF.GE OF THE HOUSE. Mr. CANN !Nu, before the House proceeded to the other bosinesa of the evening, felt it his pastel duty to cull the mutation of Members to a case in I which their privileges were very materially loathed. The duty was in itself plinfol, bet be felt the morel ' reluctant to diachlige it es he himself was personally concerned. No man could be more sensible than be I I was of the tzpedience of suffering all that passed wit is the wails of that Howe (whether by permit- ! siuo—the propriety of which he would not empire I into ; or by conisivance, as was the case at present) , to be cessionicaseti In their Constituents end the 1 Public .t large. For 46 years, dosing which he had had ohs henna of Sidi% is thus Hues, he had never etsiopitined of asy souse or tororrectostos which aught eve Nerd t Mgr why into the reported ea I co sits of what ocanned I here. He *Dell incept 1 , woe occasioo—the last S.-ssion, when he had to make I , e c .nyeeint of the sass Newspaper. which he was! now vomit to being to the notice of toe Ham. The j Wei. premiums's, of which be had to capleis was so gt..as mad maligo-nt in its oaten., as to leave no doubt that i• 5..1 sot the effect of mistake. The Heine waid recollect, that on the debate on Toes daitiat, an Hon. Member (Mr. Home) bed delivered an opines it open the *object them before it. Ho (Mr. Canniug) was not Jo the House at the time, ut he came in before the debase was ended, and Gilding that, so fir fres any thing wenn or masa hating occurred, the Hans was is a stare languor, be avid nut of course imogia that any agog refer ris.g personally to his had been uttered, lutil tiwrefur• hod so espanstios to give; bat what was his so pries, when on the folialog day be found, that is the rub pert of the debate le the Tines Newspaper, the Hon. Mosher (Mr. Homo) had been made to soy, (speaking of the nasal whirls should he observed) —" lamed of that, he (Mr. Hose) saw a mititery mania prevalent, that colt the counts, localcstable sew; bards, trapped in scarlet sod gold, were daily paraded through the streets, as if to meek the maild poverty of the lower orders." " awe," continued r. Gan fling, "the editor pot in a remark of ` both kr from the Ministerial Hashes.' The report then soot on, mud the llossourallio Mambo, was swede to say, 4 Ministers might laugh, bet let them look at thu aloof lies of the picture; let them surrey the mi sery of the poor, !shoeless, isdastrions wretches at Carlisle; or ties of the sahsppy beings they mat is our streets, sod he believed doers would be footed bat ea was asoog them who would still keep a sails upon his countenance—and that would be a sails of self-cortgratoletion from a Right Honourable Gestlanto (Mr. Canning), that by habitually tore tog into ridicule the seining, of his fellow-creatures, be had been able to place himself so far shove their unhappy condition: To 016, 4 conflated Mr. Can . •• wee added a remark, as if the goose bad re , celled this part of the Heliostats blemlost's speech 1 , with applease, for the report affixed the words • cost , limed elseere.'" Now, he would say, that if soy Honourable Member would get up, mud laying his t hand to his Fart, declare upon his honour, that if the Honourable Gentleman (Mr. Ham.) had net said s the words impi.ted to him, the report which he had reed war • sty thing el.. than a gross and solipsist I misseprebentaion, lie (Ali. Canning) wield be satis- G d in give up any farther notice of it.—[Hoar, I hear I J—T he first step which he tak was to apply to the Honourable Gentleman opposite, end to ea t quire atruogh a Noble Loud (he hoped in terse of . ; personal s ivii i ty)whether he (M r. Hesse) had orhad mot lased the leagues, winch had been attributed to him. graph marked •which It was wished to atter. Thu Newspaper wag amordtargly mot ; sod *ken he saw .hi reragirapli, he had so hesitation le *eying, that it was • grim colamoy es the character of the Right lieu. Gemini's., and a unwire wilreprmamitstlea of what he had himself said. la imes.qeseeto Grit, he wrote a second note to the Right Hon. Go.ntiotheni cite nasty styli of which, he hoped that (:rntiMwere would tinier), stating Ms *Melee tsf lhe hicertect noes of the paragraph, sod promieiag that he *Geld pat oa paper, as Nearly as Ile coed tocel leett esery word that he bad prissily seid.— lie wished to tent le the attention of the fl.mse, (hitt they had set for three successive days to the late horns of two et throe o'clock Is she marning ; end this circemetarece, joined se the Mites , engsgenimos which he was occupied, resented Mae Imo thiakiligi of the weeemity of tending so the Rdifor of the Time:, sad eleskieg him to correct the saisietirmeni. sties *hide had takes place. lie afierwards ere* a letter to the Editor of the Trout, *Lich was Nat by a ternst of hie ewes at the sin.* of hie .midgeg It, the Editor wee mat of tows; but as ow r as h• emerged, ha beet his (Mr. Homy). Riser combed in strong terms.et regret ler the strait, which lied occurred, sad desiring to Itaplaiiiloo a ateavelitell sad*, which it had orlghseted. He 1.4. howeree. declieed to teethe him Vie ]Miter), be thought that the best coarse which he timid adapt was to send him a note, stating, that It wee siteedwiety Necessary that he sheeld make se spology, sod pm. 'eying him a copy of what had saintly bees mid by himalf on that diy. This the Editor did met r•• trite sill &today, which *avid sanest tot did apology Not appeering till the Pepe of Mosel: lie had a letter from the Edkor or the 7ligrime— (Read, read! from mow Ore: of the The Hha. Gent. them rind the fellowing Wier " Tie Tines Ofbre, Sood.y. SeChub. " The Editor of the Thais brow la e spier. woe. aretio...l,4e. KMI to Mr. lira- low tk s.. rte.). f s remineamem.e. M+ will feel ttill deeper r•blartlers if Mr. Mame all hid* Ate imlfies to mote isowo .0 Mr. Catorae. ergo., primal. , we is else flame, the bitter% ripe. tb.rt tie noes irrorool Ire beta Ilarie the 'chi. le rt • tal e earn. 7w Lok.„, Lea "Si Mimi the Masse (est.pt oreaar.l ). arid altertuove. compelled to plate reop.kre eta re e l I Ikt Mama ..4 die. lie sr Ow Grath saes ...el ja e 4 to mole K. • it../ Her Fiala reotrir. illseurberms.. Muria ho bra..ahlo • •CsigNIONTINIIN peed goat t.• hros malld.d ••N• Imo.orrery? lebseere (rat ht w,.., 4 4 ) h al o s ), h e i s r .awaivel IMI i.esarrer seihe.geed I. osatalle..rod was soar) aW(J or Wm..* lelesem.el of Mr. Hese'. repreriali. The Beier la to ammo. HI Moe sighl h. the oploida of Mr. Hose sad of Mr. c••••tir ?MI he 1 1111 ee bar', to salt ins Mr Home ....orarr.4 J", , Nisit. ••I h.eir a amt. say be C.1111111.M1k.• eke he will Ni•S • 111 him 11 , 0 whir repined the Peal e " The W.boor hw So opril.grow f.e Ira hasarg.e l / 4 *•• oarSt• molter, bet he anal of woo am Saturday, sod i. hen till las feeliarlk 111.16 day. " Mould it be stain Mr. Hear lon mach trouble, to whoa by the bracer • slhyla Atte\ of shot l*r did sty. *Melt will bie isteiled Ibe eiorretkra .f I. stens ?" Tb. Ilea. Member then resumed—' U•C•re Le ...it down, be could sot help obsolete', II:at for" , :,c li il i e.'n it Member of our H o m es b e had paid mach au-u• , -o to the debates which had occurred in it, and also to we manner In which those deb.tee had been reported. Frum 05-nrystion he could state, that the reports ik the limes wore very fair—in no other Instance had be sees any mirrepre sentatino, and he was ineliaed to thisk that hat was mat a wilful mistake, or the effect of any malignant feeling. If be had seceded to the regoelt madeby the Editor of the Pew, in his letter, the Right Hon. Gestlmmo alert perhaps have received such an lnlpilloolioll as woold eggs setieSed kile.--(Crke of No. no I)—He co... Mend that It was a Arty which hi owed to the Hoene, to the Right Rolm,. obis Gentle... opposite, sod to the Editor of the Then, to state, that the misrepteseesatimy roc.pisie. ed of most base originated in inhtake, and not in a spirit of malignity sod fairehood. Mr. LUSIIINGTON them/hi that en wen who had littemed to the detail which had been offered to she novae, could have any he.ltatioa is der.ering that this misrepresentstion did hot orgies,e fr-ot so actideetal mistake. He begged to putts upon the snootiest of the HOlllll. !beefed a these misrepre. mitations. Messy of those ierlivideell who were politically opposed to him at Canterbury, wore rtia. aeminating statement. of Isle bows which they barked with gestations taken from the nowt. Thk we. a most tool abase of the indulgence greeted by th• House, and is the present rove was of eoch a we. tors as to demand of the 'loose to interpose with its authority. Mr. WYNN raid, that In the preseet and be could set see how this Initrepresentatioo One to be attliboted to an accidental asistoke. Thee, wee nil other raise fur the ileu►► to pursue thus to order the printer is. splicer at Ili bat its.mottnw. Ihe SPEAKER then put the questlnn,_ that C. Dell be Greeted to attend at the bar of the Hoes. to. war row. Mr. WYNN asked, •hother the N,ll moil way of proLeeti.ng ass mot to stove a Resoled's 'bat a breach of wallet. bad. Was committed, and then, after ibis Resolution had bees carried, to move that tee pobliaher be beard at timber of Mr House ? The KEIL said, that a caw boa occurred ht 1805 where ibis mode of proceediog had been dis pensed with. A breads of privilege was most so. ' dosetedly rosimittfd. The R thee pot the goesilon • wend lime, that C. bell do attend at the bat of Ibis Roost to.smorrow. . Mr. WYNN soggested tbe propriety of inking e similst order sith regard to the Editor of tho limes. Mr. LITTLETON (Steffotdshire) concurred its this soggemion. The SPEAKER sold, that the How mould sea the awkward wooden Is 'bleb its *Seers would be placed. if as order shield be issued to compel the at. tendence of the Editor, sod the *Seers stiesild set him. who the Ed, eel. The Printe► was knows, lied therefore they could mammon him and esonslos lidos at their bor. M►. %V YNN observed, that soden, Gentleman rosild state sirho the Edit , plat► that the !loom mold moos prissier at the bar, end to obtain of the Editor. Mr. LITTLETON suggrtml, lion. Germ's's, Is the Howse who Information white It wildsod t• i des. Ginallemas who bed tarried donee will. the &num Itr. HUME roes. soul sekis that the Editor of the 77.50 e geeeielly, ••• Men, therefore, Soy :tutor was. the belt P 11189 to 'sash,. Ow from him the Gnaw that titer, woo ono the mold 'ford lb. ..Aida. It oar din d so a correeproft et he Ilad written to I) mod that the Isl- i 4o . • . • f . ?./ M P