The National Register. — London, England, 1809-06-18 00:00:00

he was convinced it would, if pa sed, be aftended with the passible etiects. He particularly objected to the introduciitio of the word " expres.;" and unless some alteration was mace in it, he thought the hill wight to be rejected altogether, pro vided that early in the nex Se-slon another, in nn nm..nded shape be brought fors% nrd in the House. The Bill, ai it silicad at present, had no machinery to set it in inotion, and nas F.o cow. pletely clogged as to he wholl3 ineffective. The House divided—For the third reading of the Bill, Ayes 98—Against it, Noe, 83—Majority in favour of the Bill 15— That the Bill do pas.. A yei, 97—N4tes 85.- Majority 12. The Hons.- then divided on the title of the Bill—For it 132 — Against it 38-111.;jortty A:ijourned. TIM NATIONAL RECITER. • country could eminent to withdraw our retalia!ory molt-ores, leaving America to open oer intercoer.e w:ott France as soon as s'.e pleased P The !Ugh' Hon. Secretar v again he:zged Inc House to consider that the \ too- Intercourse Art was of a temporary na ture. When Mr. R'.se oas sent will, the oiler of n ; In ration for the affair of the Chesapeake, he was in. tion-nat to thsist upon the recal of the proclamation prohibitiisg 'the acitnirFiro of iri tish ships of war inn) the American) harbours; actin tin. prin ciple. that if atonement v. as to be matte, the A merie.aos moot not to have both the boaefit of the vuluo.nry atoneino u., avid of their own violent proceedings to repel tne injury. Tile iS Otto Intercourse Bill passed while the matter reinaLei if'd produced a state of equality with regard 19 this country and France, the proclamation being merged in it. This )% !is a sort of equality that might he cavilled at, if there had been any dispiaition to do so, becan-e it was nut one which was the result of a spirit of conciliation. Dot, however, it was ac :.epted, owl the oiler of rep:maim) was repeal. But lie lincl stated the Non-Intercourse Bill was a temporary act—and it ion,.,ht be a question of law both here and in America, whether after that act expired, the proclamation which had been merged in it did not revive.—And if the Covernment had sanctioned the agreement, we, after having made '-ery concesAon, might have found our ships excluded from tile Amer - won harbours, w lode the French Filip 4 were admitted. -Under these circum stances Government could not sanction the agreement, and the only ground on which, the refusal could be justified, was to -hew that it was contrary to instructions. To prove this was the ob ject in producing the paper on the table. This was not the time for discussing the whole question. Th' Might ifon. Secre tary next observed, that no one could have believed that Ame rica would have considered Holland as independent of France. ' But the instructions had specifically referred to the state or that suntry, by mentioning " all countries adopting or acting upon the French Decrees." All intercourse with Holland ought there to.re to be interdicted on either of two grounds. if she was independent, she voluntarily adopted the French Decrees. and alt jinni - course ought to be prevented on that vitriol. If she was not independent of France, she ought to be subjected to the saint. law as the latter country. After going to the full extent ot concession, Mr. Liskine bad not secured one of the points re quired by hi , : instructions. lie understood it had been said out dour.;, that Mr. Erskine was fully warranted by his in stroctions in concluding this agreement. For that reason, as well as to shew the Americans and the world the ground of the Assent of the British Government, the instructions had • been laid on the table, but it might injure the success of the negociatious with America, to produce any further documents at present, and on that ground he resisted the motion. The motion was withdrawn. Meld,ly, Jane 13. Mr. Horner oh:erved, that next to a reform in the representa tion of Scotland, the admission of Jury Trials in civil causes would he the most valuable benefit that couht be conferred on that country. lie therefore pzutivolarlv rep cited that the Com missioners had made - o•, eport on this subject. Ile next advert ed to the emit - m(ll , s ;,t-0-e in the Law of Scotland of extracting the Decree. Ile state;!, that io Scotland the whole of the pro ceedings, statements of facts., and ar.:4titnents of Counsel, were entered upon tht• Il cord, and before the Suitor. io vt hose favour the Docree vial. ntade, coati! proceed to execution, he 1% as forred to have a copy of this vo;nulioous proceeding, often amounting to a thoti , •and pages, every pare of which was signed bv an Offi cer of the Court, :tee on every signature there uai a lee. Ile mentioned instal ces IN here the objects of suits, thonOt amounting to 300 r. ore inferior to the ex pence of extracting the Decree, for which 59W. wa:; sometimes paid. Ile ah.o thought that the Commissioners ought to have mate some specific Report on this point, i :,s tead of causing unnecesary delays h enter,tig upon sub jects which did rat concern them. The Dill was then read a third time, and passed. AMERICA. Lord Ur.sn v PtTT I' rose, to :nove for additional papers on the soki j .;:. of the late transaction in An.c.rira. Accortlicg to the documents 1!: - .-PArly produce.l, there cs•uld be no doubt t Mr. Lrskine had at•tc‘i contrary to his instructions. li..t it was impos..hk to ju.Le the whole merits of toe c w , t• , but two ;:..eitraeots. The instructions to Erskine, as to the affair the Chesapeake, might h. e r, :u -I, tnatmrial ; and it ..v;.5 ako of great importance to have the t:i•i wc... of Mr. ir.st.ine, such facts as he might his own Perhaps there rnieh' have b..e!, :.ssuronet. to Ni r. r:rskim. by the Ame rican Csr.er:tutent, that the; would cone'-it the points in dis pute, though fram the 5-dt'- of public feciing they might cot chno-c to fle) it 4. ()cob . . Ile concluded by zoving for iiie two papers m.'!font (I. Mr CAN NI t observed, that he had before -fated that it was Vat the intention of Goiteri.c:rot take the opiLion of Portia ment t.n t:.e rtslztions hetwe_o th 7, country hod America. The reatioa why the iun ;secs :LI re.a, y produced had oeeti granted was, to s'iew to (tie Americans, ant! the ivoCd, that tite i..rrongement Wit the forme: was contr.try to the ins:rtu.tint.s .4 the Ileitis!: Gove•io•nent. fie a, ,, yetd that the papers ri0...1 for would be necess:it y if the coatioct f 11r. Erskine SN ere the suo,i-, t under discussion. As to vet bai assurances, Cie Noble io:rti must he aware that these conid not avail, exec et they bat; been so satis factory as to iovler it Imo - et:-gory to uisav(,<v flits arrangement. Ni Canning ilex! proce? , i,A to titate that tv.;..,; of the points which the insiruciit ns :equireil Mr. .I....rz.kine to p:ocute Lad been Not even the (lit ility, wiiich was a sine lug non, had beet) ...bedined. As to ine stipul..tion, that we bhould have tne power of pr, tut! A irerican ship• fii,m craclin 4 with France, ae wouhl no :,..ve been i touch su:l rise.l if that bad hccm passed aver 5..%) silent:a,!,et%iu,•: it wzis were Latter of courtrbe:. in us to make this the sifaject I,r a:;ree.men.. But even the , arrantement resoert to tl:e Imile with the elle mica cohnieli tad not heel. elf, etet:. I, niot,l.l the recollcctet. ad . ), tli .r the ohjert a, not only that ;,•! lie now imercourse Act shou'd lor reoehled tti ittt re peel to iv.. but that it .;:ottld . ...ept in elistelire %vim respeet to I. tante. a his art expired in . Al-tv luq. and uniet4 fartl‘.3 proreediag tiad been adopt ad, it wmo ut uus tonment removed v;ith regard to Fran , c, as med as with res.t,ari The No:iie Lord said, Ilium !pipit have been pri‘ate verbal stipultitiomA but thest• •W Mild hot answer the purpot.e. herau,e the better half• of t b4ritain slab, that i should be preciwly known on what g ohnd we stood. But SUITOSing such private stipulet ions had ittlica place, was it possible to suppose that the Government of JUNE Ift. ANIMALS CRUELTY PREVENTION BILL. Mr. WIN nu A3l rose and said, that one of the many objec tions he had to the Bill was, that the nature of it was not of sufficient importance to call for legislative interference, not that the subject was not one of great concern, but still it did not ~me within the character of those subjects w hick were in gene ra! the ground-work of legislative enactments. Among its other novelties, the preamble was not a little remarkable—it set out with a magnificent WHEREAS," that it had pleased the Almighty Cud, &c. &e. This was rather abose the usual style of preambles. Of the prinriple, as far as it respected that ge neral feet inr, that was iat rusted in the good of fellow creatures, there could be but opinion; but it was another question to v", tt i , eilter that priiwiple would he obstructed or promoted, by subjectirg its exercise or abuse to legislative penalties. Hu manity might be detil...-d a well-directed desite of promoting universal happiness, itinced it is applied to the best ;it inciple of abstract mot aiitv ; but yet even svinpathy might be a weak and were nosy to le A i-late for sympathies, it w ould be .titlicolt to may IN here they could stop, but it would be more to determine how their legal sanctions would be regulated, for v.tiere would be the standard ? If persons were sirtuous in prnrnetiou as they were sympathetic, what was to become of the de-larntion, that other animals were subdued to our use, t-peciztll-. if ti: is spitirttlsy betame so troublesome as to pre einde from making use of them, and that thus we should be to a princi pl.. of virtue the blame of running owner to an ordinance of Vrovidenee. At the same time he w.ts not for restrtet!og the svorpatities of Gentlemen—far from it. I,Vi them carry it to w bat amiable excess they please; but w ae coniewled fur wa-. that the Legislature was not called upon to enforce either t ti•f. bir;ll or the exercise of them. They ttiere:',lobe sort of tbino which could not be forced into exart-