The National Register. — London, England, 1821-03-11 00:00:00

Lord STANLEY bore tes; intim:, to t..e gein.i gioni con duct of the jailor. Ile, however, had been compl...ned of twice before. Mr. 11. sUM N ER spoke in favour of the general conduct of theirj Mr.SergenntONSLOW was against receiving this petition, slandering on individual as it did. Sir R. WILSON observed, that similar testimonies were borne to the character of Governor An is, and yet on inquiry that Individual) conduct was found to have been most re prelien-ible. IV.r. 110 MOUSE agreed in the justness of the remark just made. % henever any individual in authority was cum plaritied or, there w , tre always gentlemen enuitah to rise and speak t conscieutiously in favour of such individuals, — He had received a petition last session from 141 indivi. oats, circumstanced similarly to the petitioner, lint betide he could present it, he was desired to abstain from presenting it, as many of the grievances in this jail Intri been redressed by the magistrates ; and what did such fact prove, but that the conduct of Mr. Higgins had not heel' wholly unexception able. Before they come to any conclusion unfavourable to the prisoner, the) ought to ascertain whether the allegations of the petition were true. Mr. LAM BTON said, that the doctrine on which the fic tion was resisted was most ))))) minors—that the taileiou alle gations and distinct chan g es in the petition mere to be deemed false and caletuniou, mete!) , on the statement of an individual member, as to the general character of tile jails. —He considered that the house was bound to institute Inquiry. Mr. LUSHINGTON thought the house ought to pause before it interfered, as three magistrates hind already endea voured to redres the prisoners' grieraturix. Mr. JAMES added, that the jailor had broken open a letter directed by the prisoner to him. Wus that justifiable —was out that a breath of privilege ? Mr. B. AV ILLIRA HAM observed, that there was so much falesehood mixed up with a little truth, that it was utterly unworthy the ittlentiou of the house. Mr. JAMES repeated that the breaking open of his letter bad not been denied or disproved. Mr. C. H. HUTCHINSON saw too strung a disposition to Curb the valuable right of petition—a right that trio: mine es‘retial than ever ; rind he was therefore favourable to the reception of the petition. Mr .CREEVEY and Mr. BENNETT contended that the pm it itio ought to be received. Mr. CA Left AFT also supported the petition. The fact of opening the letter °fa member of parli:titheitt, was of itself a gross impropriety ; and (lit would %%arrant investigation. Inquiry would enable the magistrates and jailor to come much better out of tine business than would macro ise be the case. The gallery was cleared for a division. The numbers were For the petitioo 3/1 Against it —B6 Mkjority against Its receipt „ ...53 Carnoite B r. PLUNKETT brought in, he Bill for the removal of civil disabilities which now affected the "lonian Catholic s ul j Bill read a first time, and ordered to be rend a second time oil Friday, the 16th M.A. and to he primed. Mr. PLUNKETT then brought in a to regulate the Intercourse of persons iii holy orders, catholic priests, and others, with the See of nome.—Read a first time.—Ordered to be read a second time on March 16. Petitions complain of agrieultaral distress were presented from Harrington, Cumberland—Horsham—Northainplou. shire—Peterhof ough—and Demie. Itstroasi.—Mr. LA M UTON observed, that unless cir cumstances occurred over a Melt he had no cuntreul, be should positively bring forward his motion fur reform on the 10th of April. This motion would lee similar to that of which he rave notice last year, to extend the elective flan chise to ail householders paying direct taxe s —to destiny the corrupt boroughs—and ,to restore it iminial parliaments. Ma. JUSTICS CCST.—Mr 11011110U , tli presented a petition from upwards of 1000 person: residing in WeFtinin minster and Middlesex, expressiog its regret that the poi. tioll of Mr. Llavison, complaining of Mr. justice Heat's conduct had been rejected. They prayed that the ruse might he referred to the committee fur the i.dmmistral ion of justice. Ile thought there could be ors 9hjection to this-- Or in this petition there was no compliant ugainst UO3 par. titular individual. As to there being remedy risen hero he mach cliestioned it; but whether there was or not, the an swer to the recumniendution to o;peal to the law, us made by Horne Tooke, was familiar to all t—w The law nits open to all; Vet., and so wa s the London Trivet° " Such 1111 Mer remit jutied bra of tile sentiment of Goldsmith respecting the signpost of tile inn which ins Reit t. passengers n Ito could pay." (Hear.) The power of the Judge lie could nut adroit ; mid if such power were admitted, if a Judge wet e to tine tin pretext of contempt, where tae such putts rto eud I flow *as it to be limiter] I There wes au defining. It was power that not only might be, but must be abused. Mr. Hunt, for 'listener one of the editors of The Examiner, adduced minty proofs. or rather allegations, of great men hat teg spokeu much worse of the house of mimeo- than the pal:. I iration had dune. Had there been u pwsioraste and puliti- CalJudge,the l'efelidatits must have been fiord over uud over twain. lie did not take the sentiments of Judges for gospel, especially when he recoil ected how they were mode. They licid most extra/nil nary doctrines soul. (lines. Lull Llienburum.ll, for notame, bud said, Ihut ally thing was a libel that would Inn t the feeliog. of one of the minis tors.--P pother laid submitted that be much questioned whether vs Mill, without putili.hing, was not itself u libel.— On the question fur a writ of Habeas Carpus, Justice Best bud quote d Ulm k.tiiiie's report to wpm,: t the sentiment tutu the writ was not invariably the right of Eil,lithmen. He it'd consulted .ue Whin ity, which wits the enso of three bpaniaitis. The writ war there relined yet the Judge quoted the ruse to spew shut Lintliolimen were nut always entitled to the writ tit Habeas Corpus—and when he pre sented h 1 r. Davison's petition, the Solicitor Ociwral charged him a ith quoting as cat that had not beets ulready adduced b) Mr. Cooper, a hercns, of ull the eases cited, wily UM' of *twin had been mentioned by that learned ;xi:then:am (H e ar.) As to the pe.itiou„ lie should couleel himself with moving stint it lie on the told, Ile should leave it with others better Jurist sited to suggest ulterior proceedi4s. 111 r. Strgrent OM.iLOll' contended, that the mitt lead lite pt. wet which bud been t etrised, and that in the case DI Devisor) it had been prcterly exercised. Mr. tiOkl kli/USE said , the mil, questictiable imssege tv as thin Ibe 14 hititwerb laid It al nt eti p egi et" the retuaal of Ott house to Wit r Mr. Davison's putitiou to be brought tip. The petition was then Lies gist op ahril titter. Mr. HGLHOUSI. tows cd that the petition be printed, THE NATIONAL REGISTER observing, thil lllt'll'. nal great (fallen:tier I)4.l%see:a tine and compiling, because lino might operate as ins i4eitaal in 1 1 ,11,11141111.111. Mr. C. W. %VYNN thought it w.sx wa sot!' a o.te as the home could receive. It rec.' red to %%hat had taken plate In the couise of debate in that house. The SPEAKER understood the practice to be, when Butch retelenee wit.; made, not to countenance it. Mr. 1101SHOUSE observed,after what had passed from the Chair, lie /01011:d beg to with:thaw the petition, hoping to hare the opportunity of pie ,, cuting a petition not olfentling in form. Air. DENMAN, adverting to the rejection of Mr. Da visoo's petition, said, he belie ed it to be wholly unpre cedented to reject a petition without even hearing it read, supposing the ease to be one that could not be taken notice of ray the house. He defied the lion. utembei's (Ali. Wynn) lescarch to puoduce an iie.tante contrary to what he had assettee. Lord CASTLEREAGH had objected to the petition reeause it complaint d of %%hat did not come fairly under tile cognizance of the hott.e. It complained M a legal decision of the court. the petitioner complained of any particular law,the case would he different: the house could woke corrupt judges, or an imperfect lan. Mr. IIk:NNIAN exp Lined. The noble lord had not only rejected the petition without hearing it read, but on a statement that be had not heard. Petition withdrawn. ...... Mr. GOOCII then, pursuant to notice, rose to move for the appointment of a CUllitilitlVC ikrtilillire into the causes of the. present distressed state of the agriculturists. The hon. gentleman Introduced his motion by some argumenb in support of it, and was followed by Mr. Wodebuttse, who argued in favour of the agriculturists. Mr. KENN ET objected to going into a committee, if it was with a view to wise the !nice of slain, tinder the int preesion that the low price of grain was the cause of the present distress. The real came was the extravagant expentlitme. If the landlords could have obtained pay ment of their rents, this milieu would never have been heard of. . . . _ _ Mr. WESTERN defended the agriculturists, and con tended, that unless something was done for them, they must eventually be ruined. Mr. T. BROWNE thought the great evil of the system was, that sufficient" protection uus stka giver' to our agri culmrists. . . . air. BARHAM urged the necessity of encouraging the farmer, least he should cease to grow corn, and the coun try he reduced to n dependance on foreigners. Air. T. WILSON thought u moderate increase in the price of grain would peove advuntageous to the COltllliy. The motion for a committee WilA then agreed to, and a committee, consisting of moat of the members fur coun- ties, kc. was paint The ethyl 'mkt, were disposed of, and the house ad journed at one o'clock. TrruitsDAY, MARCH S. The SPEAKER came to the tune to-day At ten mi nutes before 1011 r. The right bun. ge nit:luau in comiting the numbers as usanal, at:clmed 34. As the cluck ap pruaclsed to the *Mammal four he gut into the chair and accounted them. There were only S.i plesent. in ca,use tiu,:nce of which tie declared the house adjoutued. FRIDAY, MARCH 9. Leave was given to bring in a hill to enable the Belfast Buildings' Commercial Company to sue and be sued in the nante of their secretary.—Brought in, and read a tit st time. . . ....... The Southwark gas-light bill was read a second time. The Kingston upon-Hull gas-light bill was read a se cond time. Antitnephitie bill was brought in, and read a first limo. The Mile•end and Whitechapel.ioads' gas-light bill was brought in, and read a tiiai time. iir. 111 NO brought in a bill for establishing an addl. tional company to light 1110 metropolis and the eiiiirous Stith gas —Read a first time. The Chichester lighting and paving bill was brought in, and read a tirst time. •••-- - ----- • 'DIV Bristol gar-light bill was read a third time, 4tatl pagseil. BRUACIII Or Pill, ILEGE.••••••Mr. S. WORTLEY cow.- p I iillltdut a b rea e; of pt tvileguin the Manning Chronicle on the 2eth of February, purporting to be an account of the miliOrily against the receipt of Mr. Davismi s petition, awl "in favour of Lord Castiereagles admonition to the people of England not to trouble and take up the time of theCeminens with peiitionii." This watt a gross huei—a false libel ; there had been no such propositiou--there had been nu vote of the kind. It was Mioriant, if the pi uceedings of the lw.ise were noticed, that they should be dune correct{} ; and tinder all the eirettu.stiances, lie called on the to vindicates its oi,;iiity. flit moved, that Mr. J. Lambert, the printer, du attend the bar Oh Monday neat. Mr. (I.ItLNNET observed, that when the hon. member last noticed any publication to the house, he gut at other member to make it the matter of complaint (Mr. Hobbouse's pamphlet): and it was now matter of exulta tion, that he had plucked up courage enough to submit his own cuinpluinte nuw himself. As to the statement, he (Mr. B.) belies cd it to be enbetantiaily true; and he was glad that some proceedings livid b. en exposed. Why were persons hurt at the exposure? were they ashamed of what hail passed I 'AC.B they ashamed et its . being known who had actually voted against the petition even being read? As to the subject now so Injudiciously brought forward, lie knew out how to meet it ; he should therefore move, as an amendment, that the house do ad join:v. Sir IR, WILSON whetted to the publication of the Letigholm addles* to the King, which appealed In we Gazette, and the way in which it had been treated by the house; and be therefore thought that members oppo site could Low afford to he indulgent. He submitted whether it would not be advisable to withdraw tlio too lion, Jesting satisfied %ilk the CAT:.1•441441 that nail taken plate. (Hear.) Mr. CREEVEY spoke to a similar effect. He had I understood the noble lord in the way described by the I paper, hut the printer had bt : en isicli.sfictt 50 heading the article. _ . . sir J. NEWIINVIC rematketl ibut he had eittlersthod the noble turd to ItCOIIIIIICII4I :tit to the pcuple u. I:hglAnd ; he did mot t t it tA:o. —at wits totemurdr qualitit ti; List thc recutoho hduttou tit' tot atiusuoition certathly v•t•iipostt trent the hulhe hod. As to the Ptratiyier,'s &Marcie, that tuutoiusti it 141 wute4lll - libel. 67 Sir M. W. RIDLEY considering that his case was env to which indulgence might be extended, he hoped the boil. member would acquiesce in what appeared to bu gene' wish —to withdraw the 'notion. Mr. HOS/OLSSON was disposed to admit that these was much force in the recommendation to withdraw the motioli ; but he could not but strougly condemn—not the pidilicatiou of lists—but a publication of lists accompa nied with a statement attributing imploper motives. Such couise was not permitted e milli the !lunge; and why was it to be endured in proceedissg. out of the house. if this were to be suffered, they should hereafter see all lists headed with-statements etlributing motives. Mr. S. WORTLEY observed, that lie had been taunted with having at last plucked up coinage to make cum• plaints. The lien. member (Mr. B.) would be good enough to leant that be had courage to do his duty bete and t rsewhere. _ Lord CASTLER.L.ViII said, flint the libel had been pointed out to him—a libel that was at once gross and nh surd ; but us he was daily the victim of so in my hinds, he had been negli:.;cnt in his public duty in not noticing this libel, the object of amuck was to mislead the ignorant mind ()Elbe (mainly. As to tile heading to lii lat, a %via. a eue chieums misreprc:entaiimi. lie had um Li e people not to petition the house ; hut lie had ventmed 1m admonish the ;mo t ile nut to weaken the ri , ht of petition by ai'dressiog the house on suhjccts regaiding which they they could Lillurd no relief. He had dune so then ;as friendly to the right of petition lie would du su again ; hut such misrepresentations its headings, were highly culpable. Mr. C. 11. HUTCHINSON h id conceived the uohle lord was for reading a lecture to the people against petitioning— a practice of which it Teemed he tioiugiit tlic people a ere becoming too fund. Mr. NION CI( thought the heading little more than a pu filicul 1•CCrtillIlly it affected the noble load only—the house were absolved from tie stigma. It tl.d nut say against Lord CaSliereligh'S UlOllOll, hut against his administratiou ; the ttatemeett was therefore correct 11.1 fact. Mr. HOBHOUSL thought the paragraph was a political squib. If they pro ceded with the !notion, theyt might know where they began, hut fcsv of thir in could tell where the practice should end. He and others were daily held up us persons desirous of overturning the constitution p i f the prevent paragraph were to he noticed, ou4ht such paragraphs to Ins neglected. As to the :Lover, a Ito was now so anxious to vindicate the liou4e, and Ihe ministers, he had once voted them to be incapable, but possibly uew lights had Lowden is upon hitu. S WORTLEY a k d whether the withdrawing of the amendment was to he di-tined a villicil ad an,sion tit the libellous character of the pat agrapli, (No, co.) Mr. DENMAN hoped both the inotians would be with. drab n t hut they How son one of the pi aetieal results of re fusing even to dear petnions read. That refusal wasein obedietice to the aWI and Slut ment of the noble lord, which oppesitaion was fouinied uu a statement that the noble lord bud not beard. Fur the adjournment 34 Agoiast it lk, Majority It 1 Aflr. BENNETT thou proceeded to speak on the original mutton, mina he hoped %%iiiiild be withdrawn. After some further remarks from Mr. Lambton, &c. Mr. S. Wortley withdrew the motion, that Lambert do attend the bar on Monday. . . _ Mr. Aidermau iVOOD presented a petition from a craw debtor contined iu Itchester jail, and alai,. he had In en co., fined for 1.: tears. Ile pia) cd that the house would lutes. fere and aiford him relief. The petition rolled forth a good deal of ounversation as to the state of the prison, etc. The petition was received, am, ordered to he pointed. Lord PAL 1i EitsroN moved, that th• house rcsolvo itself into a co volitive of bilppl), aad that the army esti mates be referred to the some. Air. CREE VIA" opposed the oration, that the Spenker do leave the chilli, rupeating, th .apply and of rietuures should go hand in hand, lie 'sold re,i,t uli grants or money till he beheld iiiini.ters puriring a very ditlerent system, Ile (Mr. Creevey ) concluded by moving a resolu tion, iiled A ing the government to econorny, and to the bop prezaiuo alai! us,le:,s places and experidnure. Upon this nintbin a itivisibn took place, o hen the num. bery sere, for the 'amino 3U riguiubt it 112 j M(jority ogniisit it 134. Lord PALMERSTON then wowed. that the Speaker should leave the chair, and the how go into a Couunitteu opus , eraimates. .... . . _ . . . . . Mr. HUME opposed the Speaker leaving the Chair, 81111 proceeded to take a deluded review of the expenattuts of the army, and concluded by mining a rewiluttutt, th.tt the army in was only .1,0t.11.1 5 n0w it was upward► of 80.000. After a few word; from Sir H. Wiliam, the resolution was negatived without a diviaium Mr. M. A. TAY LOIL oppo:ed the house going into a committee on this important subject at to late an hour, and declared, if the motion fur the Speaker leaviug the Chair was pet simert in, he would move an adjoartimem. After a few words from Mr. Tierney, Lord Castlereagh, Culuttel M.tes,aud others, the cootuotteu wits postpoued till Mmalev. Tne tither Orders were disposed of. and the House ad. juussied at half-past twelve. JEWS' HOSNTAL—The anniversary of thisc ha. rity, in Mile-end-road, instituted far the support of aged men and women, and the education and cm: ployment of children of both sexes of German Jews, was celebrated at the City of London Tavern, Bi shopsgutc-street, his Royal Highness the Duke of Sussex, ratriei to the institution, in the chair. The company exceetled four hundred persons, amongst whom were many of the first eminence, both of the Christian and Jewish persuasion. Atier the usual toasts were given, the children were paraded round the room, accompanied by the stewards, with speci mens of their several trades, and an Ode, written liar the occasion, was recited by one of the younger girls. Several loyal and patriotic toats were giveu, and many excellent songs sung by the profissional gentlemen. • A band of excellent music was sta tioned in the music gallery, which much contributed to increase the pleasures of the evening. The col lection after dinner, we are happy LO bay, was very ousiderable.