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.rARLIAMENTARr PROCEEDINGS. T - 1013SE OF LORDS, TUESDAY, MAY to. Conrad were beard relative to the Scotch Appeal, the Car ron Company v. John Ogilvie. Efg. of Gairdoch, namely, ?Or. Clarke at conficierahk length on the part of the Appellants. After which their Lore:Mips adjourned the farther hearing till to-morrow. The Faris of Cc/steam:goat, SC•tuoROOGH, STANHOPE, CLIOLMONDE LEY, CoNYNGNANI, and Lord VERNON, Weft (wort , and took their feat•. The Duke of AT LIOL, after a few prefatory obtervations on the fiiVeci. moved that the Edinburgh Road Bill be read a third time on Thurfitay. On the queftion being put, The Duke of NORFOLK role to oppofe the motion. ne ob. ferved, that the Bill, as it now flood, militatednot only againft the principles of good faith, but the eflabliftted cuttorn of Par liament. He believed there was a clank in the general Road Acl, tending to exempt from toll, &e. all treks of manure ; the Bill in queftion contained no fuch pre:nil - ion, and he tub mined whether it was not unjuftifiable, that thofe perfons who tank lands conti'uous to the Road defcribed by the Bill, on the faith of their being able to convey time, &c. to them as ma nure, fhou!d be fo injurinufly dilappointed by the operation of the Bill. He was determined to take the fence of their Lord flips on the queftion. Thc ttrangers were excluded; after which a divifion took place, when there appeared—For the Motion, 6 j ;—Agaitift It, Is. Several private Bills were brought up from the Commona,by difiCrent Gentlemen, and re,.d a firft time. The Order for returning the Conumittee on Markham 's Di vorce Bill being read, Lord WA LSI NGH A m took the Chair. After a Mort explanatory converfation between Lords A u ca- AND, ALV AN LIT, the LORD CHANCZ.LLOR, and the BiCiop of Sr. ASA elf, the Lift elaufe of the Bill was rejeeled,as was a part of the preamble of the Bill, and tome verbal amendments were made. The Houk then returned, and ordered the Report to be re ceived to-morrow. The Bills upon the table were forwarded in their refpedtive Rages, after which an adjournment took place. HOUSE OF COMMONS. The S took the Chair at half pall three, and after Much private builnefs had been gone through, Mr. OKIIISIIT prefenti.t: Lver.; Petitions from Officers of the Court of Exchequer in Ireland. praying relief againft the operation of the lriat Law Court Bill. Ordered to he on the table. Sir JoaN Ames itsoN brought up the Report from the Lon• don Port Couimittee. The Refolutions were trail and agreed to, and !Lave given to bring in a 811 purfuant thereto. On the motion of the Secretary at War, the Soldiers' Re lid Bill, from the Lords; was read a fecond time, and commit ed for Friday. CORONFIS Mr. DicestisoN moved the Order of the Day for the third reading of the Coroners' Compenfa. tion Bill. Mr. Srssece having put the queftion, " that the Bill be now read a third time," General TAR I. iroN role, and apologifed for hav ing trefpaffed on the attention of the Houfe, which he did at all times with great deference and reepeet: he did it now, becaufe he felt it his duty to give this Bill his decided ovation, even in its !aft Rage, notwithflanding it had furvived all refift• mice in its former progrefs through the Houle.— If this Bill fbould finally pals into a law,he thought the confequence would be, that many other Offi cers in public departments of the State, conceiving, like the Coroners, that their emoluments were in adequate, would be encouraged by the fuccefs of this Bill, to come forward and demand fimilar re muneration; and many of whom might prefer fuch claims upon infinitely better grounds than thole afecrted by the Coroners, whole pretenfions, lure ly, could not (land in competition with thole of I many gallant Officers in the Army and Navy, who devoted their whole lives to the public fervice of their country, and chearfully encountered every danger and difficulty attached to that fervice, with remuneration confiderably !hurt indeed of that which the Coroners enjoyed at prefent, for the Cafe and peaceful performance of his nccafional duty. I A Captain in the Army purchafes his commillion at an expence of t sool. and after fighting the bat tles of his country for the greater part of his life, on the pay of about cool. per year, when worn out in the fervice, hi. finds himfelf reduced, on what is called half pay. to an annual (Upend of about 4701. or 801. and retires to veil himfelf in oblcurity in tome remote diltriet, where his (Upend can pro pare him the means of bare exillence. Yet thole gallant Officers accepted this (Upend in filence, without covering the table of that Houfe with me morials for additional allowances. The Coroner demands the means of his conveyance to the fcene of his duty on horfehack, in a gig, or a poft-chaife, while many a brave Officer trudged on foot to thofe aefive and perilous fcenes where lay the du ties of his arduous yrofeffion, and this without a murmur at the inadequacy of his means, or the fcantinefs ;of his pay. At the prefent awful mo ment he was Cure it could not be the with of the Officers of his Majefty's Army and Navy to prefs upon Parliament the confideration of their (tipepds fo far (hors of their cervices, as they would be war ranted to do by the example of this Bill, if it (hould pats into a law. But he hoped the Jay would come when their performance of arduous duties, meritorious as it was of fo much more liberal re ward, would be taken into conlideration, and this Houle he hoped would do its duty by tliem For the prefent he fhould not trefpafs farther on the Houle, than by declaring his decided oppofition to the Bill. - - - - - Mr. HURST depended the Bill upon the fame ground as it had formerly been fupported; name ly, the inadequacy of thole allowances which had been fettled as the fees of the Coroner fifty years ago, and which mug now be utterly inadequate, when every expence in the necegaiies of life, and the charges of travelling were more than doubled. The Bill had already undergone full and repeated dilcogions, and had repeatedly teceiv• ed the fupport of majorities. It had been pro poled by the friends a the Bill to extend the al lowance of the Coroner to eighteen.pence per mile for his travelling charges ; but inflead of this, even the grongeft oppofers of the Bull had acceled to the principle of placing the Coroccr at the dircre. lion of the tefpalable Magigraies of the County, and making him only fuck allowance as thole Ma gigrates ihOilid fa irly and conkieittioufly conflict enti led to, for his Aetna' trouble and experces. Yet after this had been fettled, and cv, r y sealoa able ohjetlicn to the Bill removed, the lion. Gen. slcinaii now role to ppofe it in its lait gage ; but he truled the Honk would ru ppm, its oss n futmer decifioris, by paiLng this Bill into a law. Mr. Stair LfTIVIII thought the BiII extremely objedionable; that the regulations it propofed were improper, unneceffary, and impolitic ; that it would go to impofe upon the Magiftrates of the Country a duty extremely irkfome and invidious, and to excite amongfi them heated difputes, which would deftroy that amity and good•fellowfhip in which they ought to fit down together, after hav ing done the bufinefs of the different Counties for which they affembled. Befides he could not think the emoluments already received by the Coroners were inadequate, knowing, as he did, the warm oppofition and rivalry in which the elation for Coroners was ufually contefted, as much lb to the full as feats in that Houfe. An inflance had oc curred in the County of Buckingham, where a va cancy having occurred for the office of Coroner, the elellion was contefled by no left than fix Can didates. In the prefent ciifis of Affairs he was extremely averfe to levying upon the people any new affeffments not adually called for by the pub lic fervice. He therefore thought, that as the du ties of the Coroner were the biilinefs of the Crown, and concerned the weal of the country at large, the payment fhould be difburfed by the Receiver- General of the County, and not affdred on the dif trid. He concluded by moving, that in place rifJ the word ' uow,' the words • this day fix months' be inferted. After fome oppofition from Mr. DENT, the quer tion was put, and the Houfe divided, when there appeared, Ayes 67, Noes 63. Majority for the Amendment 4; confequently the Bill is 1011. KIRKCUDBRIGHT ELECTION. Mr. BRAGGE reported from the Kirkcudbright Eleflion Committee, " That the Hon. Montgo• met v Stewart was duly elated, and that the Pe tition of the Petitioner was not frivolous or veza• dons." EL EC TON ►ETITIONS. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHECLUSR, in conk quence of the notice he had given yefierday, rofe for the purpofe of moving to defer until the next feffion of Parliament, the confideration of the four remaining Petitions complaining of undue elec tions, which flood now appointed for the prefent feffinn. On the propofal he now meant to fubmit, he wilh-d to confult the fence of the Houfe, by which he would be governed. His motive for wiflt• ing to pnflpone thofe Petitions was, he laid, a confideration ! of the Rate of the Houle with refpea to Members who had already ferved upon Com- mittees, and the improbability of being able to obtain an attendance fufficiently numerous of thole who had not ferved, but who were Went from va rious caufes, or had not yet taken their feats. The State was this— Members who have krve oo Committees - 3go Members who have not taken their feats - - 50 Members a/aloft whole return petitions have been lodged 26 Members duly returned who have not ferved 144 Total - - boo Doubting, therefore, of being able to procure the attendance of a fufficient number of Members to go through with their remaining Petitions dur. ing the remainder of this feflion, as fo many were abfent on leave, through illnefs, and a variety of other caufes, and not wiflting to trefpafs on Gen tlemen who had already performed their (hare of duty, many of them on more than one Election, he thought it more ads &cable to defer the remain ing four to the next felon, along with the other Petitions already deferred. He then moved, that the Order for the Radnor Committee for Thurf day next be read, in order to its being difcbarged. Mr. Coorta, notwithßanding the confiderattons already argued by the Right Hon. Gentleman, was not convinced of the neceffity or propriety of pod. poring the Petitions until next Scion. Many and flagrant inßances had already appeared of corrup tion and abufed authority in theconduet of Return ing Officers ; and the Houfe could not proceed with too much expedition, in the invefligation of Petitions, where fuch complaints might poffibly exift, or leave it in the power of any man corruptly or improperly returned to that Houfe, to enjoy the honour of a feat for three Seffions, which might be the cafe, if the prefent Petitions were deferred longer than this. He was of opinion the Mem- ' bers even who had fcrved on Committees would have zeal enough for the honour of the Houfe to ; undergo the inconvenience of ferving again, rather than leave a door open to the evil he had Rated. Mr. Weans profeffed a fimilar opinion. Mr. Fox thought, that to defer the four remain ing Petitions till next &Rion, would be to incur the rifle of deferring others until the Seflion fol lowing. Befides much expence and inconvenience would be tifelefsly incurred by the parties concern ed, who confidercd the Houfe as bound by its vote to go through with their Petitions in the prefent Setlion. Betides, the Right Hon. Gentleman had Rated, that there were 44 Members who hal not ferved, and co Members who had not taken their feats, concerning whom the Houle was poffieffed of no fufficient reafons for indulging their non attendance, and Come of whom could not be very eafily forgottten as Members of that Houle, who lived near town, and were every day in town, and yet could not find time or inclination to take their feats, or attend their duty in Parliament.— Their number, added to that of the Members who had not (cried, amounted to pretty nearly 200, and among( dick, if the Houle thought fit to ex ert its powers, and he faw no reafon why it lhould not, fufficient Members he thought could be found in the courfe of the prefent Seffion to get through sh o r e P e titions. Other Gentlemen had done their ditty, and he could fee no reafon why thole (hould be allowed to (brink from it, without at leall of fering their mules. The CHANCI Limit of the Excm ce's it replied, by reminding the Houle that lie bad let out %soh pro. tanig his intention to be guided entirely by their fettle of the bufinefs. So far from having any is ifli to dater thrift Petitions till next Stffion, it was hit m ,It earned &tire, that they thould he decided in ; the pi efent ; and underßanding that to be the knfe t of the Houle,he lhould a(k leave to withdraw his ; motion.—l.eave given, and the Motion withdrawn. CLiRGY WIDINCE RILL. . S:r Scor r moved the (leiter of the D.iy for the Houle refolving itrelt into.a Committee of the vihole Houfc on the turther con!:;derittiun of the Clergy Retictence Bill. The Houfe in a Committee of the whole Hoare. Several elastics were put and agreed to. On the claufe for exempting certain perfons holding benefices, who alfo held the fi tuations of Chaplains to the Houk of Commons, to the Army or Navy, or being Fellows, Burfars, or Tutors of Colleges, &c. &c. from the operation of the Bill, Mr. DUDLEY rote and laid, that he was entirely of opinion that perfons holding ecelefialli. cal benefices, fhould not be compelled in every in fiance to an immediate refidence on their bene fices. For there were many occasions, in which men of the moll fplendid talents would, under filch circumflances, be precluded from the moll bene ficial exercife of them; for inflance, in the impor tant point of the education of youth, and others equally interrefting. He was, however, not in favour of a clank which went to place the power of exemption from refidence entirely in the hands of the Legiflature, but he wiflxed to have that power entrulled to the bifhops. He had heard I the word degradation made ufe of, but he was confident there were few of the Members of-this Hook, who did not in thole times hold fume mili tary lunation. And he would ark, if they felt themfelvec degraded by applying to the Comman der in Chief for leave of ablence when occafion required it ? Why then fhould it be confidered degrading in clergymen to apply to their bifhops under fimilar circumflances ? He, therefore, mov ed, that Chaplains of the Houle of Commons, of the King's Clofet, of the Army and Navy, Minor Canons, Prebends, Fellows, Burfars, and Tutors of Colleges, &c. &c. who held ecciefiallical bene fices, fhould be exempted from relidence on re ceiving a licence to that purport from each his refpeftive hifhop. Sir W. SCOTT obferved, that this amendment, if adopted, would give the hilltop.; a power of withholding licences on every occalion, and, con fequently of giving a negative in every cafe; he thought it unneceffary, and theref o re was againli it. The ATTnRMEY•Cr NIAAL raid, the quellion was reduced to this—Whether a perfon holding two fituations, and difcharging the duty of one of them fairly, fhould be confidered as a difcharge for the duty of the other ? The Houfe fhnuld determine which was the preferable duty. For his part he mutt confider the refidence on livings had the fill claim. As to the difcharge of College duties, and other fituations recited, it was optional in the clergy to accept or decline fuels fituations. He granted that the offices of chaplains toxin army and navy, to fadmics, and milliners abroad, were of the firlt importance ; it did not, however, item neceffary to have reilorr appointed to fuch places. He particularly concurred in the fentiment, that the fituations of Chaplains to the Navy Ihould be well filled ; and it was to this chciimaance he Attributed the conduit of our Glints, who, in the hour of vifory, did not Gil to recoiled the hand that led them to it. But there was no neceffity for Redors to fill fuch fituations. He was alfo of opinion, that the Fellows, Butfars, and Tutors of Colleges, may be feleded from a different dekrip tion of men with equal advantage. He was, there fore, of opinion , that no duty was fo important as I a refidence on the cure. _ _ _ Mr. WINDHAM Paid—" We (hould not compare duties feparately confidered. It is true, the fitua lion of Burfar of a College may be filled as well by a layman as an eCclefiaftic. But we are not only to determine the immediate but remote con. fequences. The fituation of tutors may be Main -led in like manner ; but by adopting this method you go to (trip our univerfities of the great advan tage they have over thole of other countries, of 1 having the education of youth candied principally to ecclefiallics, which was a fecurity to the church and fiate. He was, therefore, for the original claufe. Mr. Wir.s llt rot c raid, the argument ufed by 1 his Right Hon. Friend ref peiling Fellows of Col -1 !ego and Education, teemed a mikonception ; the queftion was not whether tutors or fellows thould be clergymen, but whether they Ihould be bent ficed clergymen? Mr. Serjeant Bs'r laid, the argument of his Hon. and Learned Friend (the Attorney-General) refpeding Chaplains of the Navy, applied equally to other perfons, whole fervices, as men of Ape rior talents, and requiring an enlarged fcope for exerting them, demanded equal indulgence.— Upon a full review of all the Offices fpecified, he thought proper clergymen Ihould be found to fill them. Mr. DICKINSON, jun. fupported the exemptions. He reminded an Hon. Gentleman, that many of the Livings in the Univerlity of Oxford were tenable with fellowlhips. He thought a much more milchievous idea could not get abroad in the world. than that the education of youth might!be intrulled as well in lay hands as in ecclefialtical; the belt means of judging of education was by its units, and when he looked at the morality, the learning, and the religion of Gottingen and Ley. den, and compared them with the Univerfities of Cambridge and Oxford, the Houle could have no doubt, but that education was bell carried on by The ATTORNEY•CZNERAL, in explanation, raid, he thought pluralities a great grievance. He thought the duties may be difcharged by perfons not holding benefices. He did not fly that eccle fiallics fhould not be tutors, but he raid that it was not neccfrary that tutors Ihituld he beneficed cler gymen. !le was clearly of opinion, that the dif cretion of granting exemption thould be vetted in the hilltops. The CHANCILLOR of the EXCIIiVIR laid, the quellion was not, whether the Houle had made up its mind that no exemption flrould be without leave ' of the bithnps, or on the other part, that no per fins could hold thole offices who held their benefi ces ? but whether, in nn cafe, exemption, without ' content of the hilltops, fhntild take place. He !thought it would he hard that a perlon having • living of so or 601. Ibould be excloded from doing dusty as Chaplain in the Kiog's dole, or Chaplain !of the I , tccs. He was ag Oita the amendment. Mr. Dunt.sv RIDIR and the frtroassv-Gswe- R•L expl •ined. i The SLCRITARY at WAR fpoke a fcw words in favour of the Chaplains :o the forces. Mr. WILDIRFORCI was for lodging the power of exemption entirely with the hifhops. Donor LAWRENCE laid, that Clergymen Of Ir. tinelion thnuld fill the lituAtion fpecified in tlic claufe, and he lamented that few of that defuip. tion came forward on foci occalions. This part of the claufe was agreed to. Upon the claufe for exempting Clergymen doing duty in the Britifh Nam-its abroad from the opera tion of the Bill, an ohjetion was made by Sir R o . BERT Burros but upon Sir WILLIAM SCOTr Rating how extremely difficult it was to procur e refpeetable Knitters to officiate in our faaorie-, eveii with all the advantages held out to them, the objedion was withdrawn, and the claufe appr o v e d. A. converfation continued refpeeting a vaticiy of other exemptions with regard to refidence.— Upon that which related to the exemption of Chancellors, Vicar Generals, and Snrrogates, the A TTORN LY-GLII ER AL exprefTeci himfelf againll the principle of extending the exemptions. The Coin. mittee divided on the motion for thofe words fla-)d ing part of the Bill.—Ayes 47.—Noes 14.—Nlajn rity for the words (landing part of the claufe, 33. The next part of the claufe related to the ex emption of Canons attached to Cathedrals. Sir WILLIAM Scorr fupported the exemption. Mr. I. H. BROWNL oppofed it. After a defilltory eonverfatinn, the Committee again divided, and the claufe was agreed to. Several other classics were difcti lied and agreed to. The Chairman then reported progrefs ; and leave was given that the Committee should fit again to-morrow. The other Orders of the Day were de. ferred.—At eleven o'clock the Houle adjourned. LONDON. WEDNESDAY, MAY cr. PRICE. OP STOCKS THIS DAY AT ONE (XCLOCK 5 per C. Conrail M 63{ or sec. 63i. 4 per Cent. Soi _ PRICE Of STOCKS YESTERDAY: Bank Stock t 661 3 per Cent. Rcd. 63 6463 3 Pere Cott 64} 6 31 6 4 8 31 New 4 per Cent. St 811: 5 per Ct. Ann. 99198 99 Ditto, Intl. 989783 Long Ann. i 8 zs•t6 13.16 Shutt Ann. 4 India Stack Imp. Ann. to s-t 4 Eattteq. Bills, par u. dif. Cool, uc 441 431 64 COURSE OF EXCHANGE. Ana!Ludas, 36' 4a U. Cad* --• Pepta. Naples 40: I i Do at Gen 33 8 Ditto elle& Genoa 463 Rotterdam. 36 ,4 aU. Madrid We I ft. Liam 66 1 , Harnburgh 34 5 sill Whoa eilleEt. Oporto 664 Altana 34 6 allf. Leghorn s o} Dublin Lit Park', I day'a date, 24 6 lie—Ditto, 24 13 2 U. Bourtleaox, ditto, 24 I Aik,o on the Bank of Holland, 3} per Can. DUILIIN MAT 7. s per Cent. Government 14N:imam - RI! 3 per Cents. Guy. Deb. (May a) • 63/ a 84 Conde of Exchange—D*Bn en Londoo 23*. The box. containing as well the difpatehes of Government as the private letters to Lord WHlT worru, the Duchefs of Dotter, and fake, which has been hitherto regularly tent by Government to the Poft-othce every Toefday and Friday night, for tranfmiffion by the Mail to Paris, was NOT seer sear woes.. As this communication has never before been omitted upon any foreign poe. night fince the departure of Lord WHITWORTO from England not even on Friday laft—it is the molt &calve denotation of immediate war that has yet occurred. If Government was not certaie of Lord. Werrworrn's fitting of for England loon after the arrival of Mr, Sriwres t the Englifb Ambaffador's family would not have been denied their accußomed gratification in receiving their private letters and the Englint Newfpapers. The Clerks at the Poll-Office waited feveral hours in expedition of the box as urns'; not knowing till a very late period of the night, that it was not to be fent again. We Rate this eircumflance with infinite regret, inafmuch as the fad demonftratea that Adminifivation have not the lean hope of any pacific tendency from the final paper carried to Paris on Saturday night by Mr. Sy tvasraa. Lord WHITWORTH might have met the box upon the road from Paris; but Government,very prudently, deemed it moll tale not to troll this difpatch under the almoft infallible certainty of an immediate rupture between the two countries, It is certainly not impoffible. however, that the CHIEF CON stn., when he finds how determined our Government is not to recede from or alter the terms that have been infilled on, may acquiefcc for the prefent, aod wait for a more favourable time (which we hope will never arrive) to leek his re. venge. What is he to gain by a war at prefent The refources of his Allies, as be bimfelf imknOw ledges in his celebrated aim e sk R o p•ifr, are ex banned. Without (hips be cannot conquer our colonies. Of an invafion sztf Great Britain or Ire land. his chances are much (mailer at prefent than they will be when he has railed a formidable navy. Portugal he cannot attack for the rearms, which baffled his views in 1801 : he knows the colonies of Portugal would fall into our hands. He cannot extend his conquelis in the Levant. While we have Malta, that is impodible. His influence over Spain. Holland, and Switzerland, cannot be increafed.— The Italian States cannot become more fubmiffivc to him. If he (huts the harbours of Europe again ft our manufactures, we know by experience that I.is orders will be evaded. There remain no countries in Europe, which he can revolutionize and plun der. Sh mid he attack Aufiria, Ruffle mull make a common cattle with her. He cannot now make ' the French fight to refit the Bourbon Monarchy. What is he to lobe by a war ?—The colonies of )c-ante and of her allies: we know that many of [them wills to be rellored to the Britifb Govern