Star. — London, England, 1803-07-23 00:00:00

P4I I.IA loi AN TA R - PRUCAEDINGS. ITOUSE OF LORDS, FRIDAY, JULY se. Tbc Thanirs Police Bill, and Caledonian Canal Bill, ware read •third tiny, and peed. The Longitude Bill, and Chatham Cbcft were brought from the Commons.—Adloorned. HOUSE OF COMMONS._ A Mefrage from the I.rirda informed the Houfe, that their Lord /,tut hairagreed to the Thames Pohce Bill, without any Amend- Ineeta sir C. Du/06011T brought tip a Petition from the Debtors con din Ipferkla gaol, praying relief. • Sit V'. Ste nse prefented a 111111 r Petition from the Debtors in Wider gaol; and Mt. Dior one of the rinse Ithid from thole in Lsne.iPer gaol% they were all ordered to lie on the table. The Bill for reguhting the Ftportation of Tea to Ireland was committed, sad the Report to be received en IVtooday• The floufe tethered tnto • Committee of thewbok Houfe, to confider or the Duties ea (tram Mr. VANSITTArr laid, that ince it had been difeevered that meerßetwers Matinee of this ddeterietas drug to 'ethic into Por ter, Alt, ice. infteed of Hops, it balms' deemed reenter, to la in additional duty oh it. He tberefedipropefed a rvrolillien, which pat an additional duty of al. rho. on every cwt. of Qualkalmported into Great Britain, which was read and agreed to, andthEßeport ordered to bereeered on Monday. The Prise Goods Bill, the Mel juftices am. the id& Militia Families BiU, and the Bill enabling the Judges to grant writs of Habeas Corpus in certain eafre,were friendly edmmitted, end the reports ordered to be received en Monday. ViseCommifttee on the Prize Courts Bill was poßponed to Wed little? nest. The Commiteces of Supply and Ways sad Means were deferred to Monday. 'The Report of the Committee nn the Bell Beek Light-Hook sbll (Seetland), was brought opt the refolutions agreed to, and • Ili ardered to he brought Pia ielordingly, which *as brought in sad read a brit time. The 8 at Woe moved f r and obtained leweto bring le a MI to amend a Mitotic Whit% had been &fronted in the Scotch Additional Fame MIL • The third reeding of the Jußices Bill was petitioned to Tansy mom The Report on the Voltmeter Corpt Bill was brought up. the refoluthwe agreed to, and the Bill -ordered nab, reel* third time ma ; ooday. Property Bill was committed pre fame. and ordered foe fariber emanderation an •Wedusfday meat. . MIR CANTILI ACCOt4PIODATION. The CHANCELLOR of the rAcnettysa moved the Order of the Day for a Committee to take into con federation fo much of his Maletly's Menge as relates to the Accominoilation to be . iforded to Merthintii which being *read. he thin Moved, that-the ad. 'Re port of the Committee appointed to enquire into the belt mode of improving the port or LondOn, be re. erred to the faiil Committee..--Ordered. ' The Houfe then refelved itfelf into a Committee, in which . ' "ThiCsaneettrie of the Excneopte raid, he had moved that the Report above mentioned be referred. tit the (aid Committee, beeaufe it was on the Mann. silendition of that Clinintittee he had to' pmpofe the aniline cow to be fubmitted to the conlideration of the what Committee. It was relative to the fyitens of Free Poeta, filch - as to require a prevention of com ainnication with the interior, in order to prevent frauds. .At preterit ' the theintraiiences to Merchants were very great. and loudly - called fora reinedy that might Wien than from filch an awkinird.fitne thin I it was therefore highly defiratile to adopt fame !Plait that 'Could 'guard again' t aids in the cares: of gwas in general.' SA means kid:already% been red to. that tiger, ealte, till Indiagoode i tobacco, and swine wird greatl y : and ooe &lite chief PrOvilbass'of die Bill he hitt° repo& - would be, the Acirity in fotbA . 4.a defeription of goods sad merchandise. As ihe' matter had been taken up, it . eame under a delegation Confiding of • fir' e beads t—i. All Weft laifig articles, lot' "which' diem word& be acionsloodatioo in the Web India . peeks.—a. Table (B)Tobseeo, Wine. Rice, da.-1. HcaryArticlet.e. Articles requiring peculiar ease on impoetation.--5. IlViiiirtieg i and articles 'on which the tholes are heavy; ti. be - deiefited in wire books; bit there are articles which reclaim patinas we of the proprietors, and foe thefe (citable poovi. noon are made, 4 was propofed, that goods fhould be lodged in the WaftkOiltes or the propristor, on ;iv. iqg (Murky to Govanmenifor the payment of duties. The gehleiple of the meanie lie was We matt heap. rayed. Tlni grand objea Was; to confider s *kaba g, jaiheioaa seds - had bee lad ea to go by, and who tuber it meth& as Nikki be depended on if adopted. In eider to &Afresh% this, to as great a certainty as. porible.behad retorted to the optoloo of nib and • 4 11 the revenue hoard; and it was nein to the 414011'8u: difficulties attending the fubj , 1: • *the greelingth nfaimee•go_ifile for obtainiag tat the ibearure hod handeferrod to fo late a pet iod oldie &Erie. He then adverted to the mode of carrying the,rneafure t de& Poe the pidgin it , was con fined by the • XII to the Port of London; but there was a power F/d • , by the Bill in the Privy Council, to.extend the to the out-ports, and to make a report when did fo to the Revenue Board. That in no cafe afar there to be a fiance, but when it *is Made to appear that the nature and Gtuation of the port was Loch as to render it fit and proper. and that it coo eased cloths, warehoufes, Ste. where goods may be (slily landed and properly bored. He Paid, the Bill fettered the Privy Council is loth I manner as to prevent every peals idea of partiality, and be would be glad of the alfinaoce array, or any Clegileman, during the progrefs of. the Bill through the Houfe, to point out any cafe where they thought partiality could bloany means be ettecifed, and he would readily ado sit it fuck meanies as might be pointed out as likely to prevent it altogether. It was not, he lard, g os ; t i e p o et to auk in. an the articles anode-' rated, bat it mad pofitively have desk in fame of them. He believed, he laid, it *mild be a confider. able time before the ontports could be provided with the necefary conveniences to accept of the provifiiips of the Bill, but that would depend in a great meafore on their own salsify and indußry. If the provifione {Ole Bill ihould be approved by the Committee, he hoped the Houk would permit the Bill to be brought in. and if the principle ihould meet the approbation of the Houfe, that it maybe read a fira and friend time, and committed tonight, that it be then printed t and five or fix days allowed before it be taken into further confideration. It was of the greeted impor *nee that it fliould pat's as loon as podible. He con chided by moeing,." That it is the opinion of this Committee. that it is expedient to permit certain goods to be imported into the ports of this country." Dania Gascoiasa raid, that confiderable alarm I ad taken place M the minds of leveret of the inha. i.dants of die out-ports, which had been commitui. 4 sad to his mind alio, from an idea that the meafure ea. to be easfined Ugly to the port 91Leados, but fence he found. from the Ratentents of the Right Honourable Gentleman, that it was to be extended to the out ports, he confelfed he approved the ma ture, fo far as he goald judge of it from the reprefen• Cation now• made refpeitiqg ►t. Sir. W. ELsoen and General Taetrros each Paid a few words. Col. HUTCHINSON expreeed his approbation of the plan, but famed ditrstisfied that the poets of Ire land were not included in the bill. The CmancitiLoa of the Emus:Line raid, that the bill certainly was not intended to extend to Ire land, notfrom any with or defire to exclude Ireland from the benefits of it, but becaufe a great deal of information refpetting the ports *flint part of the United Empire was requifite, and trite tot yet ob tained ; but as loon as that could be done, it would immediately be attended to. Mr. Vaissyrriar affured the Hon. Gentleman, (Col. Hutchinfon) that great attention had been paid to the fabied by the Right Hon. the Chancellor of the ExcheqUer for Ireland, and he had pledged him , Pelf to obtain the neceffary information as fpeedily as he could. The Houfc was returned, the Report received, the Refolution agreed to, and a bill ordered to be brought in, in purfuance thereof. - - GIMIPRAL DETaaCa 111. L. The General Defence Bill was read a third time, after which The SECILIITAIT at Wat brought op feveral chides; the Aril of tbefe was. A claufe, providing that any perfon who has more than one place of refidence, may enrol himfelf and (ervants in either peril, giving notice thereof to the other. • Another, to impofe a line of not exceeding ys. and in tome cafes only ts. for mifeenduft or difobe. thence of orders dtniotthe time of training: Another, fazing the rights of the City of London. Mr. Alderman Comas he leave to return his thanks to the Right Hon. CRittleman for the refpet he hid fbewn id - 111 his bills to the Charter of the City ofLondon. That charter was held, in veneration by all the citizens of London, and by none more than hinstilf. On common, osseafiens. it gave the citizens r a right, through their Corporate Bodies, to raife men for the ferric. their own way. They had done fo for the Army of Refuse, but in.fisch a crifis as the prefent, he thought every man lbould go as a foldier, when called on by his King, and this bill molt Fn. pnrly provides, that they than be enabled fo to do with circa.. As to the City of LOndon, there is not a man who exillstin it, from one end to the other, dust ii-not milt lottery ftreet, Award, and parith, end they only wn#,* be . told how they may be ben organized. Another clads Was brought up, permitting per. fens having religious (envies againft exereifing on a Sunday, to ezercife on any other convenient day in the week, but not to receive pay. Mr. WI aaaaa ogee expreffed his approbation of this dente, fu that another day was alloweetto t h ole who hid real fcruples. and the not giviagyny..would prevent many from ta k ing ' advantage of saM , ed fern pies. Another chinas dirwned the execution of this Aft in the ' Cinque Poits.—All thefe decal irere read and agreed to, and ordered to be, added to th e oil by way of Rielsrs. On the queltion that the Bill do path. • Colonel Ciediacnth rota and field, that having ex preffed his oetbiois on former military tneoftsies, be Mt Mishit coiled on to declare his findments on the Bill erbkh was now going to pats. It was his with Fe fee the whole makpopplation in arms, therefore nonan could ido l* . more than he did at the prefent taseathre, which be hoped would route than to a fede pf their dusiger,and convince them that they will not be conquered by all the world. Me paid many com pliments to Mistifters for snaking the Peace of Amiens, which he faid entitled them tolhe thauks and . grati tudeof their country. It was the belt that'cutam fiances would then allow, but we mu& now make oo :Peace with France. but on very high and mane OTiad inde.a; Re Particularly reconuisendycl trte life et, pikes to many of thoft men who were to be raifed under the Orient Bill. Pikernen might come down' upon, the enemy immediately after die Acing • beiweee there r eeil the revilers Ibould teak ; and they would thendometeh more execation than the &Wets with onniketastdbajonets 1 he had had Mar& oppor tunities of feting the neat effeft which they prsidacei. fte &tun nix, a ll the attention of the Havre to the neceffity of adopting other military means. beaks thufe already propofed for the defence of the country; and the Houft malt be ftrongly imprefed with this, when it was cuitfidered that if an army of so ot 60,000 men Gould area a landing. the capture of London might Is decided by a thigle battle. To guard again& a contingency of this bad, mutt be the anztons with of Government and of that Houle.-- . - The loft and the calamity aiding from limb a difafter would not be the only evil, but the difgrace attend. ing the circundtance of the greaten and prouden city in the world falling into the hands of the enemy would be theft intolerable. 131 e attention of Govern ment Ilsoold therefore be direfted to two principal oh jefts: FirA, to increafe the regular army; and. fe condly, to promote the art of fortification as much as potable. There could be no doubt of the great fupctiority of regular troops over militia; and he was furs there was no General Officer who would not • prefer attacking an enemy with the one than the other. The formation of new Regiments was a very flow operation; and therefore he would en creafe the number of Regiments of the line as much as potable, which could eddy be done by get ting men from the Militia, provided the Colonels of the Militia .Re giments would forward the views of Government in that refped. If the enemy but once gut polfeffion of Loadon, they could encreak their forces, and it would be a very difficult thing to drive them out of the place. But it would not be enough to incredo our regular farce. A great deal more onghtto be done, audit would be alms& impious to flop ann. unlefs every thing was done which pof ably could be done. Infinite advantages would arife from the ere&ion of fortifications; and in ender to carry them on, his Majefty ought to pads. if he had not already, the power of carrying on works of that kind, and of employing workmen. There were numbers of workmen now employed in buildings about Logsdon and other places. who. without doing any great injury to thrift for wham they worked. might be employed fcr theft put - poles with great ad vantage to the country. One great object of fortifi cations would be. to put all Naval and Military Rations in the bell Rate of defence. Ile begged it to , be clearly underflood, thit in what I • ins now Rating. he was giving no information whatever to the enemy, who was in poffeffion already of every fad he was Rating. He could afore Gentlemen not acquainted with fuch fubjeßs, that there were no fecrets in war. It might happen, indeed, that the night before a battle the enemy thould not know how the lines were to be formed ; but there was hardly a thing which they were ignorant of. The French knew as well all the tiry pofitions and ftrong places of this country, as any Officer in it. When he himfelf was with the Auftrian army is tysio. the Archduke Charles fent him a parcel of papers which had been found in the pocket of a French General. Thefe papers pointed out exactly the mode in which the French columns were to march, after having landed on the coal of England. They were drawn up with fuch a degree of exaßnefs, Ind with inch a knowledge of this coun try, that the writer mull have been fbr a long time on the (pot malting his ohfereations.' Such things were alto done under the old Government of France. He remembered,"before the late war, having, at a Pruffan review, met General Culling, who was af terwards beheaded ; and that perfon had the impu dence to tell him, that he had travelled through England for the purpofe of taking views of the coun try. Having lately paid a vifit to Dover Calle, on demanding admiffion, being alked whether he was an Engliffiman, and anfwering in the affirmative, he was immediately permitted to enter and examine the Whole of the works. This certainly did not appear to him the mod cautious management of the officers I there, efpecially confidering who the intelligent and *dive Gentleman was who had the command over dom.—(Oe .& imooieik Gest:mar laying tAtfi word:, ml 'lan* firesselokethoufgast& totoords Mr. Pits. an ,sinioerfai &of #' amigo:at peeeekd drools the whole N'e ex which the Ritie Hon. Goyim= Wolf joisod too 4 Lartily.) When, on another occafion, he vifited : Calais, and rode out in its environs, he raw their tworks, their fortifications, and their blockhouse ; tie okferveithem, heowned, with a foldier's eye, as be did ; their acceffible coal; but it was totnewhit Garlic that France, which dreaded no invafion. %mild, so its interior, prefent to the eye fuch eautionsprepratinas awaken 'Up/shill Englaml,calculetingon the ty of fuch an event,made no preparations to re= it. Thee fads were &Seim to thew there was no poffibt- Sty to prevent the people of one country from gaining in accurate knowledge of al the milisatj pot dons id another county,' : and be mentioned" em for the purpofe of brewing that there could be no danger from hii entering into military details. From the improve-, meats made in fertile:Woes, there would refult four mitcrial objeib, of irnmenfe edvintage to the coun try Our naval and Military depots would be put into a Rate of (trinity : ad, "The enemy might be prevented from landing on the coal s The sd would be, to Milked their paffitge to London, after having landed; and the 4th was the defence of London. To promote the fir& of thefe, it would be neeeffary to reifebotterks along the coal. It would be iropolfible so fortify the whole coal ; but when nature gave RI to Mang a frontier, it would be our cloy to put it iota th e bell poffible lime of difean. lie would pledge himfelf to fay. that if Government would tee its &adders to work, they might, in the (pace of two moethi, put the whole coati from Yarmouth to the Downs in a tla of.defence ; and at the faine time fortify tpomouth of the Heather, Co that it would be almoll ffibk for as enemy to drat a landing in that He hoped he Should not incur theimputa tion' of vanity, when he fold he had a right to cepa. his hints world be attended to by the Government. He had been Rudying the military art for as yeas t and he bad the telimony of the Marquis Cornwallis and others to thew in favour of his merits as a mai. tary man. He expelled, therefore. that his opinion might have a fair chance of being attended to. He was confident, that if Government would adopt this plan. the difficulty of landing troops in this country would be very confiderably ioncated. The would have a much longer run, and soft have larger, weals r and confequently be obliged to get into large harbours. It this plan. therefore. could be proved to be coned, it would be impiety not to make the mod of the bleffings which Paovienoca bad given us. Other fortifications might afterwards be carried on from the Downs to Portfinonth ; and the whole coal from Yarmouth to Partfinouth would be to drengthened, that the enemy could not polibly land on any part of it. The net point would relate to the means of impedingthe progrefs of the enemy's army. after it Should (Fed a landing. For this pup. pore. it would be neeefary to throw (etnicircular lines aerofs thole leading from the coal to the me tropolis, fo that we &odd prepare for ourfelves a mi litary communication from one line to another, and by means of doh interfeded lines. lop the progrefs of the enemy. Whatever line the enemy was ad . veining to might did' be crafted ; and we Should have numerous advantages . which they could tot have. This would be of Inch eminence advantage. that the plan ought immediately to be earned into execution ; all the principal points ought to be fortified ; and the enemy Should be deprive & of all the advantage of croft roads, while fuch oblruitions might be made in the *fired roads ail:11°01d confiderably retard their. ,All this thould be done before the landing of the enemy. It could not be dote afterwards. An ac curate plan might afterwards be taken of thole poSi tions, and it would be of infinite advantage in the dindiou of the military operations of the country. Every hedge which it might be proper to knock down thould be marked out, fo that no heSitation or delay might take place. &odd it be nnerary to give a feope to the cavalry. The execution of this plan &old be cottoned to the Gentlemen of the country, who might employ the pioneers and other workmen, and fee that it was properly done. All this would materially Windt the perigees of the enemy to Lon don, and give a full opportunity to the great mats of the people to come forward. in order to co-operate with the army. Every thing that could be done would then be done for the fafety of the Capital. If this opinion of his came from a man in whom confi dence could be placed, he was fore it would be at tended to. A great national work oldie kind Gould have been dew long ago. but it was not too late to he about it. If what he now hid was trne, it mod hove been a great neg)ea of duty in Minns not to have long Since dose time things he recommended* He fefreati that from the grestaeltipikiity of Wu, . . eta in which 'the (tarter Matters 6entrai wr:e en gaged, it was impoffible for them to bellow every attention that was not-Earl to theft general and Mott important fubjefts. That being the cak,they might no doubt receive forte nfefiel hints from other indist duals. It was not in %linen nature that the perfoqe employed in the execution of Governanin, contently occupied as they were in official details, could have time to attend to matters of fuch an estriortfinary nature, not having had occafion to kecufteine them.. faro to them. In his 9Pioi9th a,bli. 1, 19 / 1 7 BATA 9f e xperienced men ought to be apt:rectal. to hear pra pofals, which they Mould be ep!P,owered to adopt of reject as they might think Ot: lie walcianyiniedthat if ever there was a time Dior fuch a ineafire, this wee the mat presrig. There might be *any ecieideW cations made from which iron adrintegt I derived, feting that . 1; fee/ %divided& Mfte,i istellbl be pollefed exeltiftvelYof ibihainhisi4o.okledg . Of the country. the rook important towards its fence. tit claimed no merit to Malted* from:del tieggeftions he' bad ventured fp dui* out i and he once more isieplOred hi' hlideßy's• Malin to giit fosse fort - of attention to them. - Withicfpeel to for: tifying the colony in a Ryle Away to any fortifier ; occiaon, he thought it was their molt boundeli dm/ to do fo. by whatever means could b e fallen upon,. provided deo& means did not interfere with whet meafures yet more oeccfary to be attended, to; Sap ' pole that the chanie . Of London falling into the hand' of she enemy wee only . as 3caaato li " Good Goshi , he exclaimed •• how could any regain fetppoie, that it was not abfolutely *neceffary to 'id every poffible . eet• ertion for the defence of the Jetta:spoilt which Uk refources of chit. cottony could "Wcird 1" If Men wen brave, and bad good arms in their hands, whorl mingled *with good and experienced motifs. they • were equal, in - Point of real atlisityp to thole - Vote* troops. 13e Nib:tail high t e i ll : l4tahment to thaCiipa. man g er i n 4066 and {his ... Officers, and cosy eluded by bug, tharOf itley Yoh was difeoecred in the fuggelbonebe had aut.ghOrn outs his plan would be attended to. ' The Sacattaar at Wan.-- 14 Sir, it Is not my i n imical to follow the Hon. Officer through the whole of his very long and at the fame time very able fpeech. L emk.fs myfelf no military man, but I think I would have been highly to he. blamed. had. I dot, long me new, turned my attention to the rub. jtit he has alluded to. The Hon. Gentlemin con. ; aw e d his (pock, by paying a compliment to the illaltrious • Prince, who is at prefect at the head . 9f • the Army, and to allehe principal officers by whorl" that commander is farrounded, aid paitieurarlY A A .. Matter General. I own I was very &Wa lk hear t hatcomplimeat proceed from the Hon. - Gies: actuate, as I am thoroughly convinced it is wall a l t. rind, and !hewed he did,not intend to haply *waft of confidence in . that department of °overlain* It • he had not dotte_fo. Illtouldhaie thought It washes defigm to scenic them. in the erVel - Pdriimpent and of the country, of not having adverted to all the car.. cumitances he has In ably anftilll fully fuggetted.. t give him fidl credit for his oftfervationa, and I am perfuaded •Ite has fpolieu them hike a aeon fl 4, .preffing conviflion of the • urgent iced:Sties 114 country, and from.a jut /epic of his duty ass . ' .. ber of Parliament. I rerfeftly agree with him in ma. ny of his obforations . and,litel,v . ery much lament that in this'country we have not yaml a due attention t 6 military . operations. Since e, years 170' and t 797, however, very confiderable progrefs hair bead made in thole matters. and loins of the mot &blend.. lirary men have turned their attention to them;" kw whether or not the fuggeltions of others had been p&' . ed to fuch a length, I am not able to determine;—, England, however, had been able to Rand on its legs for many years, by means of the ordinary triodes of military defence. As the lion. Member had adeeked . . to the ter Mallet General's • . Department, .1 ass forry I dii not fee the Gentleman who fills the Ate of Deputy Qcarter Mailer at prelate in the . Hide o ' becaufe he eight have informed us of - the perm* ' details of his duty. I, however. know that tEerassii very general dißribution of the various dutiesofdsat officer. I am convinced that the Gentlemen ittpli**,* alluded to (Deputy Quitter Mafttri e : not - only* able officer as having often,diftinitn himfalfiatha. Bridal army, bat a perfon who has udied his profit.' Son, and is completely mailer of military vomit's* To the bell of my knowledge as an individlhalabik!: lieve that offer to be not only ably condafted: lent„ that the arrangement and general fyftem of it *et. prefsly what the Pion. Officer has deferibed ; and fio, himfelf would be convinced of this fa.% &amid km* the trouble of going into the QDarter Matter's Aor, he would there find that the intavent was is as particular neglefted. I agree with him that is' E a no keret in military plias of dance. and . * the French themfelves are jolt as we ll acquaint the nature of our foliation in that particular, as a :g. of the belt informed people among ourfelves, not fo well as they were with woe •of the countries' of the Continent of Europe. That the Front/11ns evenfiist in this country, I have no doubt ; but IM. ter myfelf that force day or other fuch perfoneWM be discovered and hanged. The Hon. Gettdmtan. has (aid. that we ought to fortify I.ondone new, Sir, I• fay that we ought not to fortify Leirlion..— There have been verities plans of that kind fines the year 1797, but, in ray opinion, 313 fit about fonifyij ; London would 6e a difgrace CO the country w we have fuch a powerful Beet at fn. snantasd by so lea thaniiihty or ninety Manioc' Ines. I have every ref for the Hon. Gentleman ai an experi enced 0 er. lam not certain if ever there has been an 111411133 of any Officer is the Raid* revoke leaving had ex • ce by fen and land. fo as to be reckoned 9 • y Sinful in both, or pordeularly so quainted with military operation, as well as the or barkation and debarkation of troops. I Iloidd not, however, be inclined to fit the fame value upon dis Hon. Gentleman's abilities on that fubjea. as Whir bad been equally acquainted with naval as withmftinef taffies. I am not inclined, nor am La*, to enter into the ditails of the Hoo. Officer, nor do I think it would be neeettary to do Co. filch* that he skald, approved of the Bill at pedant under difeuffion., lie has fail very properly. that it has ant been urge fee this Houfe to devote its time to the dirodflon of Imil i ' ta operations. I confefs that thas not Men very eultomary to do fo within thole walls; but if endive • was a time for Rich difoeffions LAO' place, it lll_._ _gig' moment. He will gi.e me leave to fars.strw have bees many able officers la this Hank. so" 0 equally wa1k...1644MM( tor into limitdoesiii. 1