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THE NATIONAL REGISTER a war—common sense did not permit such a calculation— • and policy of this motion. though he admitted that he sp as that war which had recently been terminated. (Hear, proaseted di, question with considerable anxiety, because, Lear.) —Having gone into some thrther details illustrative little motion failed, he had no refuge. His present pro of these several points, his lordship concluded with position was for leave to bring in a bill to repeal the musing a resolution embodying his plan for advancing 'existing disabilities. It bad been met with the statement 1.090, 1 001. on corn warehoused, to relieve the farming that his proceeding was en insidious attempt to obtain an interests, Ste. unconscioits concession of the great question. That it Mr. WESTERN replied to the noble lord, sad hlameal was a part of the question he admitted, but lie denied that him for going into topics not connected with the agrireil- other portions of the question were to be supported by mural question. It was new apparent that the noble lord similar arguments. The •tresent proposition was complete and his colleagues saw the folly of the measurer of nine in itself; it did not involve those considerations which and wished to retrace their steps. He entered v.t detail affected other parts of the subject. To prevent the con into a reply to the several arguments of the niable lord, siderstion of the question was an attempt to check the and contended that the proposed plan would not afford progress of thought and the flight of time—for they were relief to the conntry. approaching the consummation of the great objects he Mr. RICAItDO said, he differed from the ro w marq uis had in view. —(Hear, hear, hear.) — The supp orters of the on many important points, mid, as an anir e t t „„ t ou his claims had been charged with being too indefinite, with resolution, lie proposed the following:— soaring to the heights of general principles, but now he " That it is expedient to provide th at the foreign corn should apply for the repeal of a particular act. He should now under bond in the United King , J am m a y b e tak en li m i t hi mse lf h one stly to the consideration of that malice out for home come/ism:on, whenever ; th e average pr i ce of Br act—not that he could deny, that if this question were wheat, ascertained iii the usual mode, shall exceed 655. a carried, there would he a diminution of the disabilities quarter, upon the payment of th e foll o wing duties : affecting the Roman Catholics. If he succeeded, it was Wheat, les. a quarter; Rye. P . ease, and Beans, 9s. 6d. a to be hoped that it would not be matter of regret that one quarter; Batley ; Beer, or Big t i los. a quarter; Oats, es. topic of declamation would be withdrawn, any more than a quarter. it ought to be matter of regret that some concessions had "That whenever the avre s ag e price of wheat, aster- formerly been made to the Catholics, enabling them to tained iu the usual mode, eeiall exceed 70s. a quarter, the hold property, commissions, lee. The right hon. gent trade iii corn shall hencef or th be permanently' free, but then stated, that he did not appear as the advocate of any subject to the fallowing duties upon importation :—Of party ;he had not been urged to this motion by the per- Wheat, gas. a quarter a Rye, Peas, and Beans, ISs. 3d. a sons calculated to be interested; and lie was glad to state Meaner ; Bailees Bete . , or Bigg, 10a. a quarter; Oats,Gs. that lie had this day received a letter from the Catholic as& to quarter. Peers, setting forth such fact. All the responsibility was ' That at the ee.piration of owe year from the time at his own. As to the objection that it might be disrespect which the atiove duties on corn imported shall be in opea MI to their lordships to originate such a bill in the House ratio, they by reduced as follows:—On Wheat, Is. a of Commons, he lied only to say, that the act of Ili7B, quart& r; its c, Peas, arid Beans, fel. a quarter ; Barley, which he proposed to repeal, had originated iu that house, Beer, er Biel:, Gd. a quarter ; Oats, 4d. a quarter. at a time too when the oath of supremacy excluded item- " ThAi a like reduction of duties be made in every hers from the Commons, and when the sitting of the Ca enlisequiatt year. until the duty on the importation of tholicPeeis was recognized by pailietnent. He contended Wheat t' les. a quarter; Rye, Peas, and Reans, his. 7d. a that his scheme was not " wild and visionary ;" lie did not quarter; Barley, Beer, or Bigg, Ss. a quarter ; Oats, 3 1 1. desire to re-coustruct the House of Lords; he only wished 441. a .hr., at which mates they shall heaceforth be fixed. to restore the House of Lords to its original constitution. " Tilsit a drawback or bounty be allowed on the export- His proposition was not to innovate, but Li restme —to atieu of corn to foreign countries. On Wheat, is, a give to an innocent posterity those rights, of which, by quarter; Barley, Beer, and Bigg, 3s. Gd. a quarter ; Oats, cruel and unjust pretexts, they had been deprived. ( Hear, ea. 4ul. a quarter; and that such drawback or bounty in hear.)—The reform, too, was safe—for, if carried, it like manner as the importation duty be fixed." would add positively six peers to the tipper house, amid A very long debate took place on these propotitions, in perhaps aix Irish peers at some rouse period. It was, which Mr. Bioughain ' Mr. Huskisson, Sir It. Wilson, and th ete t ote , not likely to be very dangerous. The right the Chancellor of the Exchequer, spoke a t considerable hon. gent. then took a general review of the character of iength.—lt was afterwards agreed to postpone the debate the laws that had been levelled against the Roman Cabo till Wednesday evening. tics from the period of the Reformation, which principle The house then resumed, the chairmen reported pro- was not relaxed when William 111. came to the throne, vases, and asked leave to sit again ou Wednesday. because, It being the religion of the exiled Monarch, it The committee on the Superannuation hill was post- was the best object to render the Catholics powerless. — potted till Wednesday. There had become a disputed succession ; but all those The other orders of the day were theu disposed of, and circumstances and difficulties no longer existed. There the house adjourned at half past one. was now no cause for alarm—and indeed it was wonder. TUESDAY, Aram 30. ful, although so many laws had been passed against the Petitions against the leather tax were presented from Catholics from the time of the Reformation, bow few Nortimiabeiland, Carmarthen ' Bristol, Doncaster, Edin- Anti-Catholic laws remained to be repealed, except those burgle Liverpool, and the rawhide dealers of Leadenhall that passed in the reign of Charles IL Much had been market. done to redress grievances, for many most cruel and unjust Petitions against the Catholic claims were presented laws had been repealed ; therefore the consideration of from the burgh of Stirling, the synod of Stirling, Denoting the restrictive laws was limited to Charles Hes reign ; (Stirlingsbire), Paisley, Glasgow, the University of Ox- but, fortunately for his cause, much of the declamatory turd, &re portion of the case was spared Win. It did not affect the Sir T. LETHBRIDGE supported the prayer of these limited question now before the house. It could not be petitions. If the motion of to-night were carried, he denied, as accouriting for the measures of Charles IL's should consider that it would be the complete accomplish. reign, that there was in the parliament a dread of Charles went of the question. There would have been crowds of 11., a dread timid lie would favour measures to promote the petitions against the motion, had not the distress of the Catholic religion, and to secure a Catholic SUCceSSiolo. country occupied men's minds. He, however, would warn Now no such dread existed—now there was no reason for the house against 'relieving that the country was prepared withholding from them what had been violently with for concadmg the claims. He would also guard the house drawn limn their ancestors. lie therefore anticipated aeisinst being captivated by the right lion. gentleman's that his motion would experience the support of that (Mr. Canning's) eloquence. (Hear, and a laugh.) He house. (Hear, hear.) He concluded with moving fur Was serious. He had a few nights ago been an instance leave to bring in a bill to repeal the act of 1678 of Charles of a. it captivation. (Laughter.) He had intended to Il.'s reign, depriving the Catholic peers of the right to sit simport a noble lord's (Lord J. Russell) motion, but when in the House of Lords. Ise had heard the tight lion. gent.'s speech, he was so Mr. A. ELLIS seconded the motion. captivated, that lie abandoned his original intention, and Mr. (Secretary) PEEL opposed the motion, contending voted against the motion. (Hear, and laughter.) But lie that it the Bill were carried, it world introduce greater aiiii still thought th . finch motion ought to have been carried mallet than at present existed. The introduction of Scotch —(cheers) ;—thei e ought to b e an amen d m e n t of the re- peers, fur instance, *mid be a violation of the act of presentation of the people; their prayers dad complaints union; but if the catholic peers were admitted into the on this subject ought to experience consideration. (Loud upper, what retest would there be for refusing to admit cheers.)—The hon. member then repeated his objections cat holies to be qualified to occupy seats in that House ? to the Catholic eleinis. And the otrjecti 111 l applied inure struttely to seats in the Mu. scARLErr observed. that when the hon. bare Upper House, *Mete thy members had more immediately had heard the right bon. gentleman's speech, his vote to attend to spiritual affairs; in the Lower House, their at might again he calculated on as one effect of that address termini were more immediately directed to temporal mut .—(Hear, hear.) ti re. A time not very distant was fixed for inking the entire Mr. J A NIES presented a petition from Carlisle against subject of catholic emancipation into consideration; and the criminal code, praying for its revision. to adopt the propmition of the right hum, gent. now Mr. TENNYSON postponed till May Yid his motion would be useless, since it would only give to the catholic on the subject of the game laws, peers the privilege of sitting in Parliament during the warn- Mr. SYKES postponed till Thursday, May 9, his motion tern, when they could not exercise that privilege. As to the for the repeal of the tax on tallow, statements of die right him. gent. lie contended they were Mr. tiCARLETT obtained leave to bring in a bill to not correct; the exclusion of the Catholic peers, from seats prevent the removal of the poor. 'flue learned gentleman in parliament, did not arise out of she domestic eircumstancs said, lie should postpone all discussion on die present bill detailed by the right hon. gentleman, but out of the fact, till some future stage of the measure. He was prepared well established, of an exi s ting disposition to overturn the to enter on the discussion at any time. protestant government, as sins immured by the secret treaty Sir. P. OBEN FELL wished to know whether the Bank with Louis the Fourteenth, by which this country was to be charter would be renewed in the terms which distill- sold fur e 00,0001.; a MOW nut half so great as we were now guislied the present instrument ; and whether Jamul. would iii the habit of expending on au English peuitenttary house be continued to the Bank ter " house moues ?" sir n Scotch canal. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER replied, Lord F. (:OW ER supported the motion. that he saw 110 reason tor altering the present terms of the Lord NUGEN'r followed on the same side, and contended etiorter. that the cathotics were worthy of being trusted. Mr. P. GRENFELL gave notice, that he should oppose Mr. WARRE supported the motion. • any extension of the charter, tinder any circumstances. Mr. MAR'I'IN, of Galway, was in favour of the motion. Mr. ELLICE asked whether it was illi• intention of this —The eondUct of those who now opposed the catholic', put Itioretlllllrla i 0 follow the example of the united States, him in deed of that beuutitnt table of the " Wulf, and a lie and acknowledge the independence of South America t lamb."—" You rascal," said the wolf, is y ou mu ddy time Lard LONDONDERRY replied, that he was not ac- water."—" That is impossible," replied the lamb, ":.s the qualified with what had been done by the Unite., States, Wear. ring from you to me."—"'Then it was your father, There was already a bill before this house to regulate the or your grundfather, or some le' sour Isiltrinlig, you duty inteicourae of our merchants with the American Alain. ptippy,so I'll eat yea.—(A laugh.) As to any question of any political tendency, he had nut Mr. PLUS lc Err silpported the motion. Ile wns reedy any answer 10 give. to admit that in the reign Of Charles 11. the Catholics were Mr. 11011110 USE said, that he should bring forward oluntreeted touurds the Throe, and re Nlidillab stet.- tit th it his :notion fur tico repeal of the window tax on May eed. time absolutely necessary; b u t h .. our in the present day Lund J. R USSI:LI. moved, that certain trilling regard. could say there was any dieiffer tire' eit the Fait of the crane ire newspaper bidIIIIIS, age. previous!) ordered, be made lies towards the existing Gin et einem. WlllOlllll. Mr. I" ETII ER ELL elk', that hi ieuitiore no propesitiou fir concession to the catholms hod esei hero bit.u.,,ht for ward ait hout ;0111r (*Multi:alal ',tug i,el.l , ll)—brie there was 11. l r... ClitilS --IrE illOOl,l thereto.: rylonte th e e a. ion. Mr. LAN NING said, be should t AClllgl his right of lead) CATHolle PEERS. Mr. CANNING ro-r, pursuant to notice, to bring for weld {l'l4 mutton to repeni Coe ,itlectio4 tile 1( 01111 W Cathyht. Peers. Hr wa, pet, tauttl ut tite jitmier. 139 very briefly...one objection he had to combat might be die. posed of in very few words—the bill he proposed to intro. dace it was said iucroached on the privileges of the other bows of Parliameat, as it went the length of admittiog to seats in that Hues* outbiddig!, who are now earluded—io this he only need reply, that the 13r11 he might to repeal ori ginated in the House of Commons. The right boo. gent. proceeded with great ability to answer every other urgument which had been raised against his motion, after %bleb the House divided, when the numbers were — for the asotion,249 against it, 214—majority for the motion, 5. The other orders of the day were disposed of, and the House adjourned at one o'clock. WEI:MUDDILY, DIVE I. Mr. LUSHINOTON presented the returns illustrative of Victuallers' Licences granted and refused in districts within Middlesex. Mr. LAMBTON, in presenting a petition against the Leather Tax, exp d the hope that the hon. member (Mr. Beaumont) whose m3tion fur the repeal of that tax stood for to night, would postpone that motion till the plans of the noble marquis were fully known. He had no indisposition to support sneh motion, but he thought it might fur the present be postponed. Mr. H. Sunnier, Sir E. Knatchbull and Mr. G. Bennet, expressed a similar opinion. Mr. ELLICE viewed the propositions of the noble mar quis as the virtual repeal of the financial measures pro. posed at the commencement of the session; and as they were only continnations of the juggling schemes that had heretofore been suggested, be considered that it would be disgraceful to them us men who pretended to manage the COIICCerIiS of this country, to adopt what had been pro. posed by the noble lord. He however wished that the motion should he postponed. Mr. BEAUNIONT said, he slionld acquiesce in the wish that had been so generally intimated, and he there. fare postponed his motion for the repeal of the Leather Tax till Thursday, the 16th inst.—(Hear, hear! ) The petition was then read ; it was from the tanners and couriers of Durham. Ordered to be printed. Mr. H. SUMNER presented a petition front Guilford, complaining of the Leather Tax. Mr. SCA Rion' brought in the bill to prevent the re moval of the poor. Sir R. WILSON expressed his approbation of the hill. It was different flout the hon. member's former hill; it was humane; it was calculated to be highly useful. He availed himself of this opportunity to condemn some claques of the Vagrant Laws Consolidation Bill. Mr. MANSFIELD hoped the second reading would be postponed to a distant day, to affurd time for its conside ration. After some conversation, in which Mr. Cnrwen, Mr. Caleraft, &c. took part, the bill was read a first time.— • Ordered to be read • second time Monday, May 13. Mr. JAMES presented a petition from Carlisle, praying for a speedy and effectual reform of the house. Thu petitioners contended that they were entitled, by the con. stittition, to have a full and free representation. But the home, as at present constituted, did not meet their views of the constitution. They saw the necessity of reform— for they had seen the people's liberties and the Press restricted, and they had seen an obstinate refusal of all inquiries of the wiltul outrages committed at Manchester. They also spoke of the distresses to which the country had been exposed, and be mainly attributed them to Mr. Peel's bill, which in fact, he contended, had doubled the weight of taxation. He (Mr. James) was persuaded that the country had no hope but from an extensive reduction of taxation, to the amount of 25 or 30,0.10,0001.—(Hear.) He was glad some hail joined him in that opinion—bin be had no hope of the requisite reductions without a re formed (louse. Petition ordered to be printed. Sir J. MACKINTOSH usked whether the Soul h American lodepeudeliet had been recuguised, ur whether intercoutre had been narrowed. Lord LONDON DERRY replied, that there had been no formal recognition; there had beg a de facto Irecohnition, as all the world knew ; but he trusted thut the Government would not be unnecessarily embarrassed on this subject.— Even the American Government had nut recognised such iu. 'dependence ; a message had only recommended it. Sir It. WILSON avid, he saw a notice u.: the book for the renewal of the Alien Bill ; he was astonished that teach an odious mid anti.Europeiru bill Was to be renewed. He therefore Wowed for returns of persons sent um of the country ender the act. Mr. HOISHOUSE said, he should oppose such bill ; and If the noble Lord would not condesceml to argue the toes. riots, he should move perpetual adjournments. Returns ordered. Mr. MARTIN (of Gelwiy) moved for leave to Sting in a bill to enable criminals to have counsel to plead fur them. Mr. LOCKHART strongly opposed tne motion. Leave was given so Ming in the bill. Sir R. SHAW postponed his motion for the repeal of the froth Window Tax to the ?V inst. lie postponed this mo tion at the requeyt of ministers, to enable the noble herd and the Chancellor of the Exchequer more fully en unfold their plans to the House and the Country.—He, however, still felt persuaded of the importance of his motion; and he trusted that the governineet would not fail to sounder it. The House hnving resolved into n committee to consider al provisimi for the future payments of naval, military, and other pension.. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER brought fur. ward his proposed plan for the eccomplishment of this object, He concluded with moving a series of resolutions, a iiich bodied his plan. Ile enteral into de tails to show the value and bearings of his plan, as set forth in those resolutions; and stated that it was calculated that the extinction of the pensions would occupy a period of 45 years. It was culcii lated that they a onld gradually decrease according to a cer tain ratio :—thuv, after 10 years, those pensions which were now 5,0j0,0001. %%mild be tune millio s trod a half ; after 20 vette., la 0 inilisoris and a quarter ; after Sc) )eau, one million and n gamier ; after 40 seta., 341.4011.; and after 45 years, 306,6791. It aims abut sundered that ie. opera tion of the proposed scheme *mild be a meat saving to the public; ..rod that it would also must usefully disembarrass the bemire accounts, id minuet faineants of the cuthitry.-- He concluded with movie.: the following residuriene : It EsnLTED-1.--That it i, si.e opinion of ilii.Conbrnitlee !fiat the amount of milit,n fold eaval pmsions, feel civ.l suprianlasalion., may he ...tins at about 5.u00.001. 2.—That it I. the opinion of thi. Conlin lice, ill .1 Ibis cam, Calculated nS an in:nu.ly guaranteed by P..,1t sinc4it, may ne coosideted as a berttiett, forming us charge mem the rublic income of the Cdr.11:11'), f.ir the bees of ties k For clntt utat:ao so pair 143.)