The National Register. — London, England, 1816-02-26 00:00:00

'iJ3. . cousin such men of business; and hoped they wools' ream e all their demands to writing, and into such a shape that the • public offices sweat understand how to answer them. 'They ' , ease d disposed nutria Iv to infer that, heroism' one salary was aliginented, others were not to be reformed. Wherever there had (men an increase of salary, it had not been fise siusrures, or weirs,' or iris ial places, lint in offices of the most liftmen/4s nature, and more particularly those ins ols ed 111 the more effi cient collection of the revenue. fie most again depurate tilts practice of asking SO many nauccessary questions.- (Thar, Aesiaa--Aii lion, Member opposite, who cheered so loudly, was not the most es perienced alentber of the House; but his Loodlship would even refer us his experience in Parliament uta his point. Let these questions (mine as motions on paper. Hr did not wish to deny any necessary information. Mr. Ilitounn Ir 4 said, that W they waited for the view of economical reform proposed by :Ministers, they mielii wait till after the job was done, and then they would be stopped in their olljects by vested interests, of which persons would say, like Lord Arden, they are our freeholds. Lord Ca**ll.l.R KAM, remarked sin the affectation of activity displayed fur the public interest. Mr. H nuas.n said, the Noble lord lied spoken on these Sill/- ken; in a tone lei which that limas was not accustomed. Ile thought, that 110 itemiser. whether opposing sir styportine 12 . 0- eminent measures, must not feel 011 Stlell a subject, alien the patine were ground down Isy distresses, and when econ ttttt haul been promised frons the throne. Indeed. on these subjects the Noble Lord used, , latignaec which the house ought not to ref-visa., and %Inch a as unsuitable to the character of a British Nlintster in the House of ( . 011111100S. At one time, whoa they heard of the niacin impoitatsce of re/Jarboe the times, not the house, hot the people, were no-lilted by such Lin gua:2e as-this, to use the Noble Lord's own words--" that there was an ignorant illtiratti nee for the ulna:llion of taxation." Attain. 04 Ile Cray s discussion of the treaties, in a debate w heels his I airisfliip began, he bulk the liberty of supposing the argil nient•,atol atitieipatiag the opinions of others. On the subject of finance lie showed the same disrespect. Departing front his wand metaphorical stateliness or style, he observed, with indiderlice, that he supposed the question would be about the mom.). What hope could the !loose see of the redemption of the 'loyal pledge The Noble laird said, " Write ont the notion;.' but he knew the putting a rasa ion was a different thine from making a nadirs'', particularly as to objects suppos ed to be la conteitiplation. I lid he suppose they had all lot gotten whales et- they had kilos% n of 101Elittmentury practice? %%hilt. lie (Mr. 1t.1t.1 sat there, he would use his privilege of askine questions, ahi nes er lie believed it to he the intention of Ministers to Merest'se_ their pats image. If they refused to answer, the House and the Country would not fail to 'littler starlit the reason. It' the Noble Lord had a 'satisfactory answer to give, he would make no denial. But then all that was -wanted was, it seemed, provided for lay aa Act of Parham. ut. The statement ass to be made on the 2 ith March. It lit what does the Act /biocide for, eacept that no Session shall elapse witlinsit sods statement of reductions and increase being nottle Nobls. Lord felt that this question of money lutist he a .most important topic throughout the Session. It mould appear, from variosts cireunistatices, that, though the throne promised ccon 1111 l y, the alinisarrs were soperllooosly increasing sal tries which had already heels raised on account of tha• dearness of tie• necessaries of life. If they hail increased the salaries of alas Tas.board, lie should move for the accounts. If he should 'hear that an application is tostkine from the Stamp-ottire for a similar increase, lie should ask tile Cliaitoellor of the Exche quer for information. Lori CASTI.EIIEAItH late. (Cries rf spoke, spoke, frogs Ike oppolily Arstehes.) Mr. FIT&GEItAI hoped gentlemen would redeem their own characters when tit's roiled upon his Noble Friend. lie thought time Him. Isltaillsyr who spoke List. email not, after what lie bad said, be one who a mild wish to preelnde his Noble Friend front explanation They had 14E4114041 the Noble Lord of violative stud disrespect/1d comfort : ;mil the lion. :llensber had endeavourial to found Isis charge. not ou :wen- Divots, butt sin mere expressions.; yet lie manifested sit uagly the informality tits less own proceedings. lie described got ern mew as employ rd iu raising salaries and ;augmenting expenses. As to the various requests made, how...Set', if gentlemen wise disappointed at not receiving answers to them all, they had still the power of making their respective motions. r. 'I NEY 01) , Pr‘ed, that his lion. Friend aho bad cheered, was not so expel kneed a All'lllber as 111.1eIS 110ettlIse 110 Mr. T.) had the mi•fisrtutie to be lax so trios years an older man. Ile had 10 sen known Mr. Pitt, es ea when iu the 'similitude of his 'tosser, deelice a nsweriug a fair question. 11 hen it regarded a matter in contemplation, some little tissue might he required. But the Chancellor 0 1 the Ex. chequer wools' not 110 w say ay or on to a plain que•tion. See the difficulties this led 10, shah prated gentlemen's minds. His Hon. Friend was in the right, if those opposite would stink to 14)8111,16s friend. might do so too, and say, "coil shall nut r peak !slice." 11 ell might his Hots. Frieusi suspect that there was :outwitting wrong at bottom, when a Minister refired to akar au answer; more particularly sa if it were 'lst. Chancellor oldie Exchequer, who used to be SO f lir and vandid, that he sospected he ntost have lately fallen bliss souse stianee tuns pony. He (Mr. 'f.) should make a motion, but he seas esoi Lannd tow rite out Isis tinuwu motion. He should therefore apply so the .clerk for that piirposse. He then dictated slowly awl :,burl to Cie clerk, his intended Holism- That au account be laid berme the Mono., shoo nig the jaagment of the °teasers • •.' different departments, with resist et to how mods sonnet 1 .411 the 2atli of March it widad bs postetieable to 11111 k l. the It tour. he SPEANCR ashamed, that there was awather motion de. pending. Ste. TiElt KEY apologised, and desired the clerk to strike out what he hail written, as he 11111 , 1 begin it all over again. Mr. 'II, us al thou clise to make hiss motion which he die -1 tiled to the clerk ; of which the object was, to know from the 'addle officers how math s 11111 l er than the eath of alarelt the r s Sltelo,lllll,rflil.g 10 the directions of the Art ri Parliami it;, eoidd be made, id all Ise:ease and diminution of salaries, dis tinguisbine the 'mothers anal rank of the (Avers. Agreed to. r. salsa\ 411. e again, and spoke to the clerk. The ' , PENNER °boas sal, that the usual practice had 'teen for as, s a b e rs to write out their las ti motions, and the els eks %sere s ;Ay to Live diem any .11r. Tit-itNEI said, that it' there was the inlirseity of lan, &AA, on the other side, be hail also to plead toe isstirmi!a of la :i ' v , nitahle tin aide. Ile dish dictated his lUlltioll to the clerk, for a return of the moniker of men musts red in the dui (:'relit garrisons saldbasa, dist inentshitie each isont lilri, to 17: I. I wall l'.au,m Fatal es N thlattsl4l 11 stillielat 10 V,1 . 1 the accounts of the utile waistsassti. It might ;avower the purpose to slows the 1:111111J0E jai l's iiit by Path. mt. r. vita FA 51:5 ti to - the eandon Itt • bis Lordhip ; but what lir wanted to Isriess stas,the actual wtuaban 'Lea !blunt outfit:Leta fur security. THE NATII Lord PALAU:IO4OIS suggested to Mr. T. to name some parti elder year. Mr. Tutus Ex said, that then lie must, lie supposed, make a motion for that, -Agreed to. Mr. Posisitx ex inquired respecting the monument said to be intended for the late Cardinal York. Lord CASTLEREAGH said, that such a monument was to be erected. The deceit the last of a royal race, which jiisth f..rreitell the throne of this realm, had not thereby rorteittil 11w claims of humanity, and had been fur some years the ob ject of the bounty of tic- king, which had excited in the Car dinal's mind the deepest gratitude. He hod lift by his trill some interesting papers, together a ith the collar of the garter, to be sent to the Prince Regent, as a testintionv of his gratitude for the generosity hr had experienced at hi• * Majesty's hands. The Cardinal's executors expressed a a isli for the Vrince ke telll's assistance towards the rem et' of the intended monu ment ; and his Royal Highness, with that generosity and benr solenee which so highly reconnnewl him, ordert d the assistance to be afforded. 31r. Poisson nv approved of the Kings bounty; but the ers talon of a miiiiiimetit to the noose of Stuart was a different thug. It seemed, that it was the executors Nho proposed the monument. not at our desire or sole espetirse. Air. Ti Kiln EY said, the King's allowance to the Cardinal was from the privy purse. laird CAsTLEHEactI had no objection to state particulars. There was a limited slim of UlOlll • out of the c pensations France was to pay, taken ti.r tht expense of earl - , ine back the works of art f Paris to Rome. (hit of that sons a smaller shun was taken for the expense of the erection of the monument. TREATY' OF PEACE. 'rhe Order of the Day was then read fur resuming the ad journed debate on the Address to the Prince Itcge•nt. Mr. LAW 01) . 1111(41 to thy Treaty, particularly on the grounds that its provisions left the kieigdom of the Netlu•rlands open to the future attacks of France, and placed her in a situation in shish she would not be likely to obtain assistance or support front any great Power. lie also c plainer' that the interests of this country had been neglected in the provisions of the Treaty. We were told we had received indemnity ; but be would ask what indemnities had we received in retitle' for g.i yCkll'S of bloodshed, and an expenditure of lintido ells of mil lions. A paltry contrilattion, of• a Well the share assigned to this country did not amount to a 3 per cent. tax upon income for a year. To I • it appeared that in eery article of the Tieaty the influence of Russia had been exerted, if not openly, in a secret and most effectual OMURA'. It hail been Said t h at Llntis XVIII. would lint have consented to any system of ter ritorial cession. What ! would Ilia Loris whom had placed Oil the Throne of Nailer, who only reigned by our sufferance, consent to du that which Louis .IV. had offered to do ; would he have refused it to what had been called Europe in arms at the gates of Paris lie could mit help suspecting there were other reasons beeides cow-lilting the feelings of Louis X VIII. lie• believed the negociators at Paris considered the French people would not have consented to such an arrange ment in Ins opinion, they had been mistaken, and had adopted a e ro mud, 'e likrlc to intlame the French people against us, by imposing a tribute upon them, and seizing their prin cipal fortresses, }Ur a 'period of DO less than time years. On the allude, he cook' not, consistent with hissense of duty, vote for. the original address. Mr. Out al. es contended, that the cession of the fortresses was ail object desirable with the Allies, in respect to the tran quillity of Europe. It tittered every prospect of conviecing the French people that moderation, in bowie, would he the beat security tOr their own safety. He could not agree with those Gentlemen who wished to lull themselves into security, because one Bonaparte had been destroyed. We most recol lect, that unless prepared to meet every exigence, a thous:mil listinaparxes might arise. For these reasons he concurred iu the Address. _ _ Sir S. Roo ILLY, in allusion to what had fallen from the Noble Lord the preceding eveuing, could not connor with him in his opinimis 101 the Subject Of interference in the internal govern ment of Frwuce, either for the purpose of placing a pal ticeilar individual on the throne!, or ofilirtating to any set of people a irovernment which they might de disposed to reject. '1 he ques tion now at issue could not lie defended on any justifiable groom!. What! was the interference of one pow. , with a view of setting a nesv ttvnasty on the throne of another Is ineedont, a mode of acting to be justified i• lu the provisions of flit 'I s rats of ISE). after the return of ittitiaparh . , such a dortrine was not attempted to be established. Sir S. then referred to the letter of Lord irlaoicarty, of the tills of May, which stated, " 'that the Allies were iii hostility to lionaparte, and Were at war for their owes tranquillity, and the re-conquest of that peace which is ilia:indite. They have on wish to interfere in the goy eminent of France, nor to influence the choice of the Ft elith magna , otherwise than tie itiolueeee may be necessary for the se- • emit% of Lampe." 'the passage in dais letter, lie enuteneltal, cool] nut be understood in auy other tight than :0 ',Olive, tw idea that she war was to lie maintaiiied against Bousoparie only: Ins the language was, that toe) e the Allies) did but wish to plane a surcrssur on, the throne of VIIIIIVe t hilt left them to choose wh they might. was the general maderstaitel log among tic' Fl6llOl nation, cud the N.ib1i.1.414.1111t11.1 be aft are it was so. It milli on this nistlerstanding that the excellent,: whirls might have been made were not carried into effect. Various cooferences had taken place between the Doke of • %Ft:him:ton and thee Frenteli ill which it Nita re prated. that the s%Llies Inlet not the most remote view of die- , toting to Franey. The Allis , marched to Paris, however, with !solos in their train, a n d kept up for fist-months a sort of guard ht ciesllll. xis •ately in exercising the re in• of (lot ersineent. Om interference, therefore. was not wade until it oas found that the Freueli people could not odor ales resist:met-. Boot be viewed this coneloct in another deli*—ille time might come when the allied 'Monarchs might join with an English King its pl o wing, to- 100 re, on tile Tlicone a Sos.creigii inimical to the people of Englund. The Lilwity of tae Pre:s might, by the same lowan% lie its •troved, thoragh is representation of le ciao Sot ereignis. that tile fine sari: litres on their conduct w ere dangerous to the safely of deo:Snails over which they presided. 1111i1; 1,01111 hail Said, drat these politic discussions Pete dangerous to libel ty , and subversive of the safety of tether nations. It was hopes...ink to say what objects he sn ight have in view in respect to 4111blie discussions, Lot at least it created alarm. In t espeet tee the szttofactiloo of the French people as their new t hovernowut, lie could not avoid noticing the a sect with which and oniv the Kends Legislature received the Treaty, and the Declaration , of the thug to the I)cloudiest or his attliction on the strip et. Nor could he reeeive the asstii - once of the Nolslc I aged, that the French peopre are weli sada Gel with the coon-ilia* i 1111•. 011 the 1.41114:11 , s, they *mild • ,),read the 11 ., as of war t i one 4.1111 Or the ikill,g4lllll to the other. It won d Nix their hatred Wren the Ettglis4i (LW having brought 110%11 these accusirdatted sitirtiiens upon them. lie concluded vt jilt suptoortiug the Amendment. Mr, li. W von eitosei veil, that the condoet of the Puke of ellington, awl ho :th)je,t)':, Go% trtment, was no other titan REGISTER. that line of conduct which the wisest governments hail pnr sued. All that hail now been done emanated from the broad and wise doctrine of Mr. Pitt, published to the Russian Go vernment, in 1803. In that document it was set oat, that it nook! be necessary to re-motile' the Government of France, in order to preset-5e the security of Europe. With this slew Lord Clam-arty acted, when he reached the Continent. 1% lien intelligence of the overthrow of the Tyrant was known, Ott Ministers of the Allied Powers never held out to Evrope that the restoration of Louis was not the object of the Allies, pro- vided it met w ith the n Oslo's( of the French people. But be yond that, the letter left it open to the Allies to place Louis on the Throne, if it was 'Wind neressary, for the tranquillity and security of Europe. This nould get riot of the charge of the Hui. anal Learned Gentleman against Ministers, of having' acted with duplicity. According to the argument of the !foot. and Learned Gewlentati, the moment that the Allies had en tered Paris, and destroyed the power of Bonaparte, then tbey weer to stop I leaving the Jacobin army still existing i ; and sa to the French people, " Now, we bate put 'fossil Bonaparte, sou may choose whom you tile." He quoted the opinions I. \lr. l-'ox and Mr. Burke on the allbjert of iiiterferetice, in whieh they had advocated and stated the necessity of into t - Wring in particular cases. Such Was the late interference ; 4 the Government of France. in answer to some observations oil the subject of alliances, he delemleol and stated the necessit o of them, from the Treats of Westphalian flown 111 the presebt time, and thought that his Noble Fi lead was entitled to the con gratulation of the vottutrs, fur Inning settled, as far as hums. precaution could settle, the peace of Europe, at least for fie ,• years. Ale. W. Eetaterr said, the right of interfering, if it had bee a question, was brought to issue by the Hulse of Wellingteit, who carried his antis to Paris. The restoration of Louis XVIII. Was, in hits opinion, the first step, because he was the heir 01 . LOUIS XVI. unjustly deposed. Ile hoped that he should not tie accused of believing in " the divine right of Kings," Bit he believed there was un acknowledged hereditary and pi .• seriptive right in Kings, the smuts as in the nubility ; and ft o . the mural sake of society it became the people to subscrib s to that right. 'Mere might be eases where the people wens stistified in assuming the right of choice of form of Govern ment. The French Iles °lotion broke out against a King wit . had convoked the States (tiles (-wintry ; and then tine it coultl not be justified in comparison with the Revolut• of England, fur that WAS against a King conspiring against the liberties of the people. With ressert to the opinion of the people of France, the conduct of the Deli titles of Legislature was a proul of the estimation in which the King was held. It must be tt - collected that a revolting army had just. been disbanded, alt I therefore the elements of (limiter niust exist in France, throw ii hack as it haul beett idler 2:t years of spoliation tido the Colin. try. As to the present arrangement, he felt all the objections urged against it; bust with all its disadvantages, he acquiesce , ' in it us a necessary evil. as offering a prompt and efficacious front against tile danger; and thirdly, that it gas e England all intim-nee in the alliance, which in the present state of thing', was desirable, It might be said, would you bring upon you: a standing :witty with your habits of peace? 'fu he would answer—Yes! it the danger really esisted. But li, would want the House against sit doing, unless the danger W.. 4 appillended, He did think that the army proposed to be kept on the frootier of France eat a necessary evil. As tit the expense, if it was semis any', that alsould not be grudged, if it did not amount to more than the supply not eitiOn nu u. Hos condemned the idea of our attempting to be 4 continental on:. litary power, for we should he: at best but a fourth or fifth raft Ministers, It might be sill very well, but he recommended lit :Ministers. not to neglect the navy . , fur then we should be in 4 state of (lounger indeed! It was out his 'Wenn, ll to noose a 1 Amendment oil the Addst Spo ; bat he wished it to be distinct!' known that his opinion wis iu opposition to most parts of it. 7111-. J. Si IV( tholight had been a great sacrifice o' British interests in the arraagement of these Treaties ; for t-,,, coutesided, that we had neither ludonutlity fur the past, net security for We flame. MANKI'S would Hilt arglie the propriety of our establish ments proposed to be ko pt up in time of peace, but should prepared to disensa that, when our finaneiat 'sllolllll eo/nc betilre the Hunts(-. It had been said, Vt. t this 'treaty' did not afford les a stitfieicat prospect of, st - c»rits . What Treaty could be pointed out that did afford •r complete prospect of permanent security It had been said, that France ought tt. have In ell Inure ditaleilihrled than iv. had been. Bot :I that had 1144.11 4011 e, it W 0411.1 hose irritated the people in' France; nor did lie believe that Louis would then have accepted as ravens so much mutilated. Ile saw a much greater prospect of this peace being permauent (hail iiiallV other Members. The Oreilpalhol fit the whole of. the Fut-Delo fortresass nu the frontier by the Ilelgisin troops, weal not hone so much security to the Netherlands, us a strow; alliance hist. that Wilk!) WM* proneets her from any eggs essi 111 l that Ft-titre might be disposed to put upon her. 'flue depres sions at present felt iu this chummy los fousidel e.l as temporal ; for they were only of flio. Houton of those usua.ly fell by es y uodi 111 l tat a return io a state of peace, alter a im.g and e‘l" - " - sive a ar. Mn. li o n: N E{4 would not have troubled the House, hail but not visited his opinions Olt this great question to be distitietly understood. %t• hatever opus' 111 l he had, and still ltd hold, a: is) the ore-in of the war; or as to the late tiegociation-, Oct iii wsnold doubt that he felt the ingliest esultatitou that the galleon deleutlera of this coitutry had, in salons, eseerokal all form , r precedent. This gave us a military strength of an cxteut ui whirls sic Were lierer conscious before; anti which lie fen ent • Ir played IMO)/ he employed fur the deft-owe it tl:e country ! j o t iii Me quarrel* Of the Colithleili, plutmlily fur projects .4 anjus * itiable ambition. His main objectittos to the 'ireatOes were, that tiwy did ionlbrodlier that scrinitc which they loot a right to expect, and toecontse they had at last diselvs.ol Ilits project 0 forcing the Bournoto (lover 1111 l mot on Frallet atter it had heel di,arots ell, in % ii.d.st,on of the faith or the Craw, pledged to Patti:mit , for list y ear. when the idea of thi eows the Bourbons uu Franee was pressed oil the Nolo to laso 01, oyes and over repelled it, its an tinitecessae, uot.rlcrcue c , our part with the internal whin. of Fiance. Maus Alenilba, then voted (Cr a rent With of the war against playing More eolitid.•ller in time NOW^ I.oi si's words thsu he iwone i ) , that i t was to lie a war for tour own sect.' , amid that that See aril', would no: depend on the restoration of the Itourlions. That ple•l;T: was riven to the People et . Ft mice, as well as to P ar i,„,„,„„" L ; and i n has too late now, by a eXitibinuttion of flit *WVEIIs Of the Trk U4es, pile that the to atm atioit of the Ennirbt(na was Int eadaulsitt-tiopi b oots , But ii was ;toned in the I)erserativo ; as I, 111 Clllll4'4lll'nce of that, many 5 IrttioOs vr,ints in ViultlCe tAC.osal themselves to k. ea 'howl, the risiug s i tirit the puoidit .frOlO miusittg the man whom be beneved they hated, L 9 I Ir . t...Vwltt Let .a* wa lla ina a tloal by thveign tromos. li v. c-s a i.11111.•..t.;../e thing that built a !sreach of faith ilad,l.se.•ll v4.1111111;1...I yOllllll . 1 r Catlin it.ad llOt u.,w for 111,:o uojoei W ."-z. l ) back tiouneparte • but to nruotava the I,luortous _ "