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~,, .. I OS I V 31mocrial Varitamtnt. HOUSE OF LOR DS, 110%114Y. APRIL Y. Viscount HAMPDEN presented a petition from the owners and occupiers of land, in the Eastein part of Susi•ex, complaining of agricultural distress. TM: petition read and laid on the table. Lord GNANVI [-LE presented a petition from the solicitors and attorneys of Stat!Ord against the County Count Bill. Laid on the table. The Marquis of LANSDOWNE. presented a variety of Peti• lions from various parts in the West of England, in which the manufacturers rind others concerned in the woollen trade prayed for repeal of the tax on 'imported wool. The noble marquis observed, that as fir as his knowledge upon this important sub ject went, he knew the existing tax had proved injurious, instead of at all being beneficial to the clothiers, therefore this petition tame before their Lordships with strong claims to their attention. He was satisfied Government were disposer) to act upon liberal views, and that they might be induced to withdraw this tax, which was generally considered injurious to the interests of the woollen trade and the best policy of the country. The petition was laid on the table. The Bishop of CIIItr.TER said, he had the honour to present a petition, signed by the archticaconry and chapter of Chester, tinst the Roman Catholic claims. The petition was read and lard on the table. The house adjourned. TUESDAY, APRIL 3. Lord ERSKINE presentel several petitions from owners and occupiers of laud in the county of Sussex, eotnplaining of agri cultural distress. The Irish Witchcraft Bill wets read a third time and passed. Petitions were presented from Sudbury, and the clergy and archdeseonry of Hereford, against further concessions to the Roman Catholics. ___..._.. ..... TUE BILL Or CONCESSIONS, JOHN NEW • PORT and a numerous deputation of Irish members brought up the bill to relieve Boman Catholics, which passed yesterday morning in the Commons. It was received by the Lord Chan cellor, the title read. end laid on the table. The Earl of f/ONOUOI I Moll E, some time o'cr the bill was brought up, moved it be read the fit 't time. The bill was :le conlingly read the first time without any observation. The EarIofDONOUGIIMOIIE then said, it was impossible lie should not feel the deepest impression, as to the ndvecate of the Roman Catholic claims, on the arrival of such a hill as that which had just been brought from the other house of parliament. He could not avoid feeling the full weight of responsibility which which attached to him in his then situation. It would be a total neglect of duty on his pert rn decline becoming the advocate of the bill, but he could not undertake to advocate it in the precise form in which it had been received from the other house. From somecommunicarion recently had with a number of the foremost tin among tnc Roman Catholics, lie had the best grounds for suppoung,that in the progress of the measure, such amendments could be made as would do away every objection resting in the mind of any reasonable man. Concesseals might be matte to the Roman Catholics, without surrendering one itifn of the securities which the professors of the Protestant faith had certainly a right to receive. In consequence of the recent communication to which lie had alluded, he undertook to be the advocate of the bill, and he expressed a hope it might be sn modified as to do away every objection on the part of Catholics and Protestants, by the former giving full securities. In that view he moved the bill be read a second time on Tuesday next. The Earl of LI V ERPOOL—'r My Lords, I certainly do not rise for the purpose o' making any objection to the motion of the noble lord for the second reading. I wish merely toobserve, that as this bill collies from the commons in a most important shape, it will doubtless receive from your lordships the most serious consideration, end whatever the decision of the house may be, I trust: the discussion will be temperate, and that it will be conducted with that moderation which has characterized the ether house of parliament. It would be irregular to enter into the matter of this bill on the present ocessiong a but hissing ou former day taken an extensive part in the discussion of the sub ject of this bill, I feel I should not deal fairly witlathe house if did not say, that when the proposition is made for the secouid reading of the bill, I shall feel it my duty to object to it—(llear, hear.)—The bill contains two parts:—one is to remove disabili ties; the second part contains regulations respecting the ceded astical establishment of the Roman Catholics. ]fly Londe, I aim sorry to say, that those parts forming enactments in this bill. arc so objectionable, teat I shall feel it my duty to object to both. I cannot agree to grant the privileges it is proposed to grant the Roman Catholics. Rut even if my mind, and the mind of every noble lord in the house, was made up to concede these privileges, I should feel it my ditty strongly to object to those clauses in the bill which relate to the human Catholic clergy, because I think ifsuch a clause could stand, permit's niust make out theme is not that danger arising from it, whicii I think, with others, is to be apprehended, I feel that many of the enactments are unjust, and many extremely impolitic. They will never answer the purpose, nor meet the end proposed. 1 thought it fair, after the part I have taken on this subject, to speak as an individual, and state the turn, of my opinion. When the second reading is moved, I will state my objections to both parts of this bill mote at large." The Earl of DONOUG 11 MORE felt as the noble earl did upon particular enactments. The Catholics should feel that they ought to make sacrifices to the apprehensions of Protestants. whether those apprehensions and prejudices were right or wrong. The LORD CD ANC h:1.1.0lt expressed some diffidence, rising to address their lordships at that moment, upon so inte resting a subject; but having observed in the bill laid upon their Leine, that it did not interfere with the Lord Chancellor, whose duty it might be to enusider whether lie ought to approve of the proposed alteration in chutch and state of this country, he should as a few words. The house knew well the part lie had previously taken on this subject, and out of respect to the opinions of per sons in that house, and in the other house, lie had no difficulty in saying. he would most willingly avoid a change of his own opinion, if any such change could by possibility occur; but upon full consideration and conviction, lie felt that the essential inte rest of this country, and its state of civil liberty, would not permit him to change his opinion. It was impossible to consent to tins bill, under any alteration or modification. On the contrary lie would promise the house to conduct himself with care and caution, in order to guard against it. It was impossible to reconcile this bill with the principles of die Constitution, and no modification could make it admissible. The order for the second reading of the bill was then fixed fur Tuesday, and the lords were summoned Mr that day. 'WEDNESDAY, APRIL 4. ___ . . The LORD CHANCELLOR met this day at an early hour to hear appeals. After irrayers, I.ord CoLVILLE presented a PetitiOn front Chippenlism against the Roman Catholic Claims. '1 he Petition was read and laid on the table. The Innkeeper's Subsistence Bill was rest' a second time.— The House then adjourned. 11i1JR51IAY, APRIL 5. The Archhigloop of 1'.1.7% . 1F.1111U11 presented a prti. ijohoo I the clergy of ?Soar ich allotli.t the loin fa moving reziaieto upon tot , itoono.on Lathlike-. Ills toner tothervid, t h at rt NO, propel. 10 mate loom Ili, j . .iit his Lauds. Hai rogoot sr%rroetsd lo loots/1, the ll,voop lot Nor% ieh, load untiertalken to pro .eo.t u , ha In U1141 , :C to du so, he rtolue%ted his Goitre, veith ilor co,seell of the palters, to porownt it 'l'hr by me.. nolt %hum he had lived upon inoi trra,o, No Ural he load ethei.tteJ vitt' „real lieu to 14torkelf, , 111. THE NATIONAL REGISTER during a great tout of his profehional life. The pctitioo 914 ►ead and laid on the table. Petitions were also preaentid from the Royal Borough of Queen's Ferry —the cler gy of the niiti.l944. of Gloucrsh•r— and the 'tumor and Chao chtt.:irdelot of the parh.h of S . George, Exeter. against the Roman Cut'Ailie claims, mid praying the hill may not puss into a law. Read and laid on the tattle. Or th..• motion of the E.irl of CARN Ait VON, grverni ituesiws upon Ow Grampolient election quelitiou were or - dined to attend the flown.— A iljournell. FIIII)AV, Al , llll. G. The royal assent was given by commission to the Com mercial Intercom se hill, the Husbandry Horses bill, the Irish Attorneys' Fees lie:olio:leo bill, the Tilsit Witchcraft Act Repeal bill, and the Gramploinil Witnesses Indem nity hill. 'Elie cummissioneis were., the Lord Chance:lm, the Earl of Shaftesline y, and Viscount Melville. An order was made that a message he sent to the House olCommons, requesting the attendance of Sir M. Lopez, to be examined at their lordships bar as a witness, touch ing the (Intuitionist! Disfranchisement hill. Lord SIDMMITH presented a petition from the Dean and Chapter of Westminster, and one from S.irling, against the Roman Catholic Claims. 'the Bishop of LONDON presented a petition from the clergy of 3luti College , having a similar effect. The Earl of MACCLESFIELD and the Earl of SHAFTESBURY also presented petitions from the clergy, praying that no alteration may be made in the existing lairs which apply to Roman Catholics. The pe titions were read. :laid laid on the table. The Earl of IiONOUGMIOIZE said, lie held in his band a petition from the Roman Catholic ilivltop of Liuterick, and several menthes of that church, ',raying , the house to remit the restrictive part of the bill now before pas lianwiii, for r ivinz relief to the Roman Catholic hotly. The noble rail oli,i raid, that the pctitiois was numerously iit • hi Itly ii•iiiietstaltiti cha racter, and it was eutiticd to the ronsideration of tlie The LORD CHANCFJ.I.OR intimated that he did not wick to oppose the redithig of the petition, but he enter• Wiled a doubt whether the house could receive the peti tion of a Roman Catholic Bishop, described as the Bishop of Limerick. The Bishop of Limeliek known to their lordships was a Protestant Bishop, and the question might arise whether the house could recognise Inure than one Bishop of Limerick. The Earl of nosouGumo RE expressed his snrprise that any doubt should exist on the robjert, as it was known to the house that the Catholic Bishop of Limerick was ordained, and in the regular exercise of ccclesinstical fmxtious. He believed there was a law in Ireland which allowed a R an Catholic priest to becotuc a Protestant minister, without any new iodination. The LORD CHANCELLOR, in reply, observed. that he did not doubt the functions of the petitioner, but ran dour induced him to express an objection which might operate not only on his own mind, but upon others. The petition was then read, and laid on the table. The house adjourned to Monday. HOUSE OF COMMONS. MONDAY, APRIL 2. Mr. WHITBREAD presented a petition from the Cler keit well road trust, against the metropolis consolidation trusts' bill. Mr. K. DOUGLAS presented a petition from the corn mei ebants of Leith, against the corn averages bill, praying, that it might not he hurried into a law. C'w rum L.SC kt..—Mr. 11. SU %IN lilt presentnd n petition from St. Saviour's, signed by GOO persons, against the Cu Biotic bill—which hr Loped would not pass. Ile ottserved, that the gailant general had said that his vide was suppoi led by the m ;jot-Hies of Southwark ;hail petition, signed by 600 persons, came from one parish only. Sir R. W ILSON replied, that in such parish there were few electors, and that doubtless the petitioners spoke the language of their rector, w hi) said, last Sunday, that Sundays would satin cease to he observed as days of religions worship, and that a power was sising up which would stun sweep away all leasehold and lre.altili primes laugh.)—He tioultied not the respectability of the petitioners—but, lie added, he acted according to what he deemed the wishes of It s emastituents ; if, however, they felt otherrase—grateful as he was for their support, heiwoold rather resign his sent Bum give a vase ag t his conscience and against this bill. Petition ordered to he printed. Similar petitions w) re presented, during the evening, from St. Pant. Bristol—Cinistchurch, lianterhury—Dumfries— and Clifton, Gloucester. Severally ordered to be primed. Mr. II UM L presented a locution from a pet set! named Chidiey, committed to the comity jail of Somerset, plaining of ye sat' severities, of having beew chained, etc. Ordered to lie printed. Mr. W OilT 11, having proposed the dischat ee of the [Miner order, moved fur rout tis of weekly S 1.1 papers, nod Monday editions, is its un UCCOUIII of their pi a dere to the revenue, etc.—Ordered. CATHOLIC DIS %CHITTY HILL.—Sir J. NEWPORT 1111Vtil tae third reading of the Catholic Disability Re moval bill. The order of ilie di.y for the third reading was then read. Sir W. SCOTT rose. He contended that stint a mea sure could only hi' likely it) he ptodoctive of advantage PAM , large pal ties approsed of what was to be done; hot were. milt is lie was much misinformed, the patty who ise:r to oe conciliated by the bill were us 1111101 divided abut it es those rho were avowedly against the bill. There was so h difference of opinion on the subject, that by passing the bill he anticipated any other result limit conciliation. lie then writ on to submit, that, II its the petition of the Catholic Peers was relied on, they were not to be received as the expositors and expounders of the Catholic faith ; they were rattier to go to the clergy and assemblies of the Catholic church. Looking to suds authority as not aitog. diet a idiom weight, lie could not forget their celebrated explanation oil the oath of Alive. many ; and, remember log that, how could lie say that the Catholic clergy were likely to be ',dished with what was passing? (Hear.) He then adverted, in illustration of this point, to the CM holly historiallS of the oeformation ; and to the reifies of Mr. Chinks Boiler, which lie admit ted to be as candid as tile) west: leaned. The proposed tool) lie stewed as the most imp°, ta a l ', A rt of th e bill.— lie would give them mole hupertant upiitious than ilis own. 3l). Seltlett said, ilict the Catholics could not enjoy piisileges suds as were enjoyed by the other snlijects, alas were 1.101e , 43111e1. Mr. Lucke held that such was their religion, that they gave themselves tip to a hitch:at piitice and foreign iuilueuce. Lord Clartudou and Mr. ~` ~ 7 4 Justice Blackstone expressed like opinions—namely, tha so 1011 g as they acknowledged foreign influence, even In spiritsual matters, they could not complain of exclusion. Such were the opinions of most eminent men; and by acting on anvil opinions, the coustittil had stood limn the reformation down to the present time. It was now proposed to aliet the securities which had been deemed essential front the time of the reformation. As to the pro posed oath, he maintained that it was quite impossible for the Catholics nf Ireland to take it ; it acknowledged the King, not oily as head of the temporalities, but °l - the Could they sincerely take such an oath as this? Ile thought net—that it was quite impossible. The Ca tholic's conscience wilt, or it was not, in the keeping of the Pope, as head of the Runtish chinch. It it were not in such keeping, the tact had not been truly represented ; but it it mete tlo such keeping, how could the proposed oath be taken ? The laws declared that such foreign in fluence was noxious—it W7ll/ calculated to be most init. chievons, and therefore had it been fin bidden and guarded against by language hi sweeping as language could be. Yet now such gum d was to - be done away—bat the Ro man Catholic's conscienre remained. As to the influence of this oath, we nutlet si tied him to state, that on toleration, accompanied with such fetters, lie had no reliance. Butt they talked of the Irish Runtish church as well as the Irish Protestant Ono eh, so that we had two churches there— Ireland had the double-headed monster.—(A laugh.)—By agreeing to 1104 bill, be maintained that by it was endan• geted by two centuries (if blood and suffering. He con clude.' o iii movitig an amendment, that the bill be read a third tone this day six months. Sit J. HILL seconded the amendment, contending that he viewed the 111r11 , 11tO us !mho; ofa decided revolutionary character. It went on to authorize an intercourse with the see of Rome. He had [maid with astonishment the assertion that our constitution was ion esactitially Protes taut ; he maintained that it was such, if there were any meaning in the bill of rights, and the calling of the Prince of Olollge to the throne, and the terms on which I •..ry monarch thereafter was to hold the crown. This change made hint view the bill as a revolutionary measure ; and he also red the change of the oath of a revolution ary character. Evers Plowman( was bound, contrary to the provisions of this bill, that no fort Lan power, pope, or potentate, ought to have influence in this country. If this bill passed, lie did nut see how Protestants could take the present oaths. He alto maintained that the bill was ab surd. lie had received ample proof that the Catholic clergy and laity of Ireland were against the bill. They called it the slavery, the insult bill, mid hod' patties ap plied to it every opproin ions epithet that they could think of. Where then was the prospect of conciliation ) Capt. o'6ll ADY stated, that as far as tie could learn, there was loot that opposition to the Catholic which had been described to exist. alr. C. HUTCHINSON again spoke of the bill as not calculated to produce the concord anticipated by some. Ile would not vote for the amendment, because that would get rid of the bill altogether; nor could lee vote for the bill in its present form lie was sorry that the bill could not be re.contiiiiittol, that there might still be the opportunity oh' getting rid of the obnoxious portions of it. Mr. RICE observed, that when the resolutions of some Catholics were adverted to, the protest of other Catholics WAS 110 t named. Mm. ELLIS spoke against the bill, maintaining that it was not calculated to give satisfaction to Protestants or CAlllolieS, Mr. ROBINSON denied that the opinion of Mr. O'Connel was time opittitin of the Catholic body; he had no hopes of satisfying that individual by the present or any other ineastire, tout lie was fully !persuaded that, if adopted, it would give satisfaction to the great body of the Catholics. Mr. 600E11111LN repeated his former arguments against the Mr. CANNING thought, that the house was to look at this present proceeding pot as au act commencing a new series of acts, lint as a crowning act of mercy tollowing and in pursuance a variety of others. The great question wits, whether, upon passing the present bill, there would not be a more wholesome state of law than He next touched upon the untidier of Catholic members that were likely to be introduced by it into parliament, contending to contradiction to the opponents of the mea sure, that instead of 70 from Ireland and 30 from En gland, the utmost that WOlllll probably be returned %sunlit be a dozen in the whole. Admitting, however, that more might obtain entrance, allowing even that die vision of the hundred knights was to be realized, all Il lie would ask in what way they want(' be able to set about the destruc tion of the constitution? The other side who talked so mitch of danger seas I/0111111 to show (*tom whatice it would pi tweed, and how it wonia Operille—ill What way the Ca- Omne rept eselitatis es would succeed in corrupting the rest of lite 561 meiotic's, or at least the whole oh' the minorities on the lair divisions 011 this subject, and the greater pail of the supporting majurities. (Hear.) He contended that the measure wilt eminently calculated to conciliate the Irish, and to cement the Union; the re centness of %%loch wits to be considered an advantage instead of an objection, inasmuch as expectations ins dulgrd that event were now to be realized ; pro mises amid pl,i i were' to be Whiled before love were SO delayed as to make sick 'lie heart. 'to this coihidera tion must the house clone at la,t, whatever late might attend the bill elsewhere—viz. whether it was toot neces sary to incorporate the hearts and feelings of lone - millions of Catholics in the same manner we had incorporated their laws, their commerce, and their institutions.? whe ther they should be united to Great Britain firmly and effectually, or leave them in an island of their own, and by a mistaken policy covice them in proportion to our danger whether they should be continued under the 'bleat of repression and subservience, or raised to a level with otaiselves. Regardless of internal squabbles and party cavils, let the house slow Collbllllllll4lo that great work which, when once consummated by it. sooner or later must he accompltslied. (Continued cheering.) The cries fur the question mid tot clearing the gallery were now universal, and strangers withdrew accottiowly. The Ilona. then divided—For the third reading, glti— Against it, 197—Majority lot it, 19. On tier ri mil to she gullui) we found Mr. PEEL stating that though he would not admit the Roman Catholics ought nut to be called oil to take the oath of bopreitnicy as well as he Protebitints yet he consult ted the stone argument by which the Catholic was exempted. would oho ga to exempt the Protestant. He wood thew fore, with the view of having his opitnotis re.otdcd us: the journal-, IotIVO that the second pic.:e (that containing the oath) be omitted. This, after • few woida Guar So J. alisca _,~, - 1111