The National Register. — London, England, 1823-05-12 00:00:00

~:. ~ .. Mr.POYNTZ moved that the Portsmouth and rortseaFishery Bill be read a third time. Mr. BERN Al, moved, as an amendment, that it he read a Bind tine this day six mouths. Sir I. COFFIN opposed ill bill ; it was not a hill of regu lations, hut of exclusions, as heretofore it had been au open fishery. He reineinbered fishing there•wiien he was a buy. Mr. POYNTZ denied that the bill was one of exclusion—it was one of protection and regulation.—He saw no reason fur not pressing the hill. The AT I'ORNIIY GENERAL protested against the bill, as tending to take away common rights. Mr. W. SMITH opposed the bill on like principle. Mr. nuasT supported the bill; Mr. Sykes opposed the ball and Mr. Huakiason wished this hill to be withdrawn, and a pupil( bill to he brought in, as the " ifaut" oysters were un warrantably disturbed. After some remarks from Sir W. De Crispignev, &c. the ' Huns° divided. Tor the bull 39—for the amendment 9/. Bill lost by a majority of 58. LIMERICK TARATION.—Mr. S. RICE moved the second reading of the Limerick Taxation Bill, expressing the hope that lie might he allowed to go into a committee. There had been the .grossest abuses ; the taxes had been much misapplied. The SPEAKER asked, as six o'clock was approaching, arbether the House wentd proceed with .the private, business. --(Cries of " Gu on, go on!") Mr. S. RICE proceeded with the bill. If there were any amenilinentato propose, he should be happy to listen to them in the committee. litre was a case of delimoency, and let it nut go forth to Ireland, that because it was focal, the House N' -Commove would not listen to it. Mr. %VODEHOUSE observed, that lie hail been Chairmen of a former committee on this subject, and that circumstances (mine eat respecting the taxation of Limerick, which no ho nourable minds could approve. Mr. O'GRADY opposed the bill, maintaining that it went to consolidate theses, and to strengthen the present mode of re • turning members fo► Limerick. Ile maintained that the bill bad not been broeg4it in according to the forms of the House. Read a second time and ordered to be committed. Sir R. lIERON wished to know what course was to be pur sued, as time had arrived for recommencing the enquiry, teens berscs both sides giving way. The noble lord (A. Hamilton) was ready to give way respecting the Scotch reform question. Sir T. LETHBRIDGE lamented this delay, because he had been enable to bring forward his motion respecting agrioettoral distress. After the delay that had taken place, he knew nut when he could bring forward that important motion. Mr. GALCRAFT had no objection to concede his motion for the repeal of the leather tea to the enquiry, and to the motion for the renewal of the Irish Insurrection Aot, on the understand ing that he should have precedence on some future day. Mr. PEEL thought it would be best to go into the enquiry at once; and the arrangements about subsequent orders and motions could be made prientely. The conversation dropped after some remarks from Sir J. Macintosh, &c. IRISH Rtor TRIALS.—ENQUIRY.—The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER moved that the order of the (hi be now read for resolving into a committee to proceed with the enquiry into the conduct-of the Sheriff (Thorpe) of Dublin. The order of the day was then read. Colonel BARRY was afield that the enquiry would• cortaioly not conclude this week. After the examiaations of Monday, it would he requisite for him to require the attendance of further witnesses; and if they hod to come from Ireland, it would be clear that the enquiry could not conclude this week. The House then resolved into the committee ; •Sir R. Heron took the Chair. Barret Wadden was then celled to the bar. He resided at Dublin, and was a silk mattufacterer. Esamined by Mr. Williams.—Witness knew llPConnel, who was examined nn Monday. He saw M'Cunnel the day after the riot, and he saw such person after the trials. He made a communioation to witness. Be expressed estonistunent at 'Merit Thrtepe'seonduet, hewing seen bins the evening before ; and the conduct afterwardsappeued as if he Gould bet bare been in his slimes. At a conversation at witness's hone*, Sheriff Thorpe, amongst other things d—d the Lord Mayor ; and as to the prisoners, be said, they would go to trial safely,. for he bad taken care to have an Orange jury. He also rey d marked, that the Marquis erWellesley, and be d—d to him; should de. no good in that country. As they were going outof witnetWe house, they all said—be d---d to the Marquis Wel. lettry. Witness deemed it due to Ms country to make this communication to the Government, &c. Witness had been unfortunate in trade. Mr. Pool. a common councilman of Dublin, was next pet to the bar. 4fe said be had expected to he put on the•partel, and be considered that he bad been very ill used in net being put un the panel. The witness proceeded to chew that this panel was formed diE.!rently from former panels ; -here was not a single Catholic en that panel, and only two individuals who deserved to be ealleil rather moderate men. The individuals who formed the grand jury were also of a less respectable des cription and rank than those - eseellys appointed grand prom The next witness was Wm. Troy, a manufacturer. He was examined as to occurrences previous to the riot at the theatre. His ertmination baying concluded the )louse resumed ; the Chairman reported progress, and obtained leave to alt again to-morrow. The other orders were disposed or; sod the Muse adjonraed at a late hour. WEDNESDAY, MAY 7. General GASCOYNE postponed till the 22d instant, his motion en the order respecting half-pay in Ireland in English tarremey. The presenting of the report on the Beer Duties Dill was dm (erred till to-morrow. Mr. RICARDO presented petitions from Arbroath, &e. re specting the stamping of linen. Mr. CURW EN presented a petition from some place, the , fl4llllO of which was not heard is the gallery, praying Mr the im position of a *tidy on foreign tallow. Mr. RICARDO spoke against the prayer of the petition, as requiring what was impolitic. Mr. BENET (Wilts) urged the necessity of repealing the duly on tallow candles, as it was a duly that fed almost wholly on the poorer classes, especially those iu the country. Sir T. LETHBRIDGE spoke in favour of a duty on foreign tallow, and observed, that we night not to he very nice about offeutling Russia. Out of about a dozen articles that used to he exported to Russia, six had been prohibited by Russia, and the others heavily taxed. Mr RICARDO said the agricultural interests were already more protected than those of other elassas. He was dee;.ly interested, personally, in land ; lie was not the advocate of commercial, funded, or landed interests—he looked only to what wait roletileted to alTeect the public. Mr. BIN ET(ON its.) contended, thst the landed interests W,lldisproputtioually hurdcatd. Ordeted to be printed. - 3.44 • t 1 16 , • THE NATIONAL AtGlitrit ABoLITION or SLAVERY.---Mr. S. WORTLEY pre sented a petition from Bradford, Yorkshire, fur theabelition of slavery. Mr. LITTLETON presented several similar petitions, from Stockdale, &c. He wee snare of the delicacy et the subject, but lie knew of nothing that could stied iti the way of that ha . prescriptilde rights of man. Siuriler petitions against slavery were presented from Hors ham, lilierborite, Darlington, South Shields, Roan Mem!, Wakeffeid, Yorkshire. Sunderlend, Stockdale, Welling, Chippen Norton, Lancaster, Buintriee, Chester. Matlock, Belper, Stowe Market, Xeitdal, Truro, Preston; Huddestielti, Shellield, &c. Lord A. HAMILTON postponed his resolutions regarding Scotch comity representation till Tuesday next. BEER TRADE. —M r. W. LAMB resettled • petition from farmers and ethers of the county of Hertford, praying for a free sad 'open trade in beer. Peettiuu read and ordered to ha printed. Sir E. KNATCHBULL presented a petition from Maidstone, against the duty on coals.—Ordered tube printed. Mr. LINDSEY presented • petition front Dundee, &c. against the linen laws.—Ordered to be printed. Mr. K. DOUGLAS presented alienate* from Kirkcudbright, against the duty on coals and slates. SLAvERY,—Mr. P. BUXTON postponed till Thursday, May 13, his motion reapeeting the ebulition of awry in the British dominions. He could not k,ain postpone it on my ..coount. ' Lord NUGENT postponed till the 28th his motion respecting English Catholics ; —to extend to them benefits similar to these possessed by the Roman Catholics of Ireland. 1 Mr. BROUGH.ISI presented a petition from Win. Cobbett, praying the House to pause before it legalized the sale of game. and imploring the House to take into consideration the game laws. The case was argued in the petition with great force.— 'The petitioner said that in Berkshire jail there were 77 prison -1 os, 22 of them for poaching, nine of thew having been com mitted by clergymen, as me„istrates. At Winchester two prong men had been hanged fur resisting game keepers. Lord PALM EItSTON said, that one of Sloe . persons was bulged for murder, the other fur shooting at a pate-deeper. Mr. IIIt(AJGHA3I said, it was evident that the object of Mr. Cobhett was not to justify the murder ; it was to condemn such harsh, laws. Mr. BENET (Wilts) observed, that the game laws required alteration.—Ordered to be printed. . , Several other petitions for the abolition of slavery were pre sorted from Evesham, Tewkesbury, Newcastle-upon-Tyre jakirred by 3,00 U persons.) &c.—Ordered to he printed. Mr. it BERCROSIBY postponed till June 3, the motion res. petting James Murray, Borthwiok, (Scotland.) The report of the Grand Jury Presentment* Bill was ordered to be presented on Monday. lasts Iresnitltatrtun.—Mr. GOULBURN gave notice, that on Monday next he should move for leave to bring in • bill to renew the Midi Insurrection Act. limn IN4UIRY.—SHERII7 TMORPE.—Mr. CALCRAFT -moved the' the House go into a committee to resame We Irish eisquiry.—.sgreed to.—Order read. Sir R. HERON took the Chair. The Clerk of the Crown, Dublin, sad Mr. Sheriff Cooper, were ordered to be called, but they did not appear. Mr. WI LLIAMS then moved that Mr. Sergeaut Harris be Galled. Sheriff Cooper appeared at the bar. Its had struck Mr. Pool freer the panel, in consequence of Mr. P. haring called on witness. Ile mentioned the subject to Mr. Sheriff Thorpe ; he thought Sheriff Itiorpe might—and he might not—object to Pool on account of his political opinions. lie had not attributed such conduct on the part of Sheriff Thorpe, in • conversation with Mr, O'Reilley. The Under Sheriff was Mr. Whistler ; witness agreed with the Sub• Sheriff. The profits were on the receipts made by Mr. Whistler's payments quarterly,to witness. Such payments had been made. By Mr. BRIGH r.—Witness and Sheriff Thttrpte'were of different political opinions ; but they eventually • agreed in re jeetinc Mr. Pool's name front the panel. By •Mr. PieRNKECT.—He could not say whether be or Sheriff - Thorpe first suggested Mr. Pool's rejection. It was in consequence of some complaint from Pool ; but he could net say exactly what the complaint was. He could nut say that Mr. Pool complained of a breach of promise. He was not sure therSheriff Thorpe had promised to place Pool on the panel.— From what he had since learned lie believed that Pool had re• seived such • remade. Mr. Itlauslield was called and examined at length. Hie tes timony went to show that the jury was undo* occasion formed as SS reamer occasions ; had known instances of persons applying to be put ongrand juries. The jury on this occasion was as respectable as on former trials. Mr. Carpenter, ono of them, was a victualler. Mr. Archer, another of them, was certainly a ''conciliatory TIM Should not know an Orangeman if lie saw one. Could not say that Mr. Sheriff Thorpe was an Orangeman. —Wittman( would have considered it improper to put any indi vidual on the panel who had cold he would throw out a bill.— Had known Roman Catholics on greed juries, but there were none on this jury. The witness then withdrew. Col. BARRY wished now to state, that he was about to call some of the grand jury, and to examine them, hut an they were sworn to aecresy as to certain matte's, lie dionglit they shoold he warned that they were riot bound to aliases any queat.uu which they OW tot think proper. Upon this proposition a long conversation took Once. It being contended that if called the jurors would he subject to the mime exeminetion as other individuals were. After a long convessati , tn thin question was postponed till tomorrow, and Cul. Barry said lie would proceed with other witnesses, if the grand jury should object to answer. Sir U. WHITMORE was called in and examined by Col. Barry.—Was not an Oiangeman, but a friend to concilivtien— recollected the proceeding of the grand jury with respect to these bills.—There was no party feeling.—The object of every one appeared to be to discharge his duty fairly—heard • report that Sheriff Thorpe had said he had an thatige Jury in his pocket ; had couveremien with the Sherilf—ant if be mild have seen the least resson to believe ti.e S ieriff had slime so, he would nether.° acted one moment ou the Jury, and lie told the Sheriff so. In auswer to questions put by different members, tbo vitrii as said be was one of those who held in revzrenee the memory et King Willis.. It had been usual to 'tree", the statue; and witness believed the riot at the theatre originated in the Sri tation caused by the Government preventing that ceremony taking lilacs. Some ot!.er witnesses were examined, and at the astral hour the House resumed. The Chairman reported progress, and oh- Wined leave to sit again. 'Pie oilier orders were then dispelled of, and die House adjourn, d. Trruiw. , *.v, 14 , W. H. SUMNER, lur an ilon. w •,.o .r (Mr. Martin, av• be• _ 14t liere,) gave notice !bat on Monday he should move for lee to bring in a bill to abolish Petitions, praying fur the abolition of slavery in the British dominions, were presented from Leicester, Salisbury, Pem broke, hull, and hum several other ptanta. They were read, and severally ordered to he printed. Mr. DENNISON intimated ti petition froth Epsom, praying for ■ repel! of the coal duties. Ordered to be printed. Timm SYSTLIII.- - Mr. JONES presented a petition *ma owners and occupiers of land in Peniblukeshire, on the 'abject of tjthee. Mr. HUME called the psrlieuler attention of the House Unit the clergy in general, to the character of :his petition. It con - twined a moat filmed proposition, the most liberal proposition that he bad yet lewd :--the petitioners del not desire to affect the interests of existing elergynacii—they offered to tiny off the tylbes, after the rite of 25 y vet s' iturelisise.—(hear.) —Petition ordered to be printed. hold ALTHORN:: presented a petition from Imeshbe•osgk, praying ter a more mummery and cheap mode of reemerefig Mall debts. The petitioners, amongst other things, mentiourd the fact, that an individual, in pursuing et the assizes fur the Pesevery of a ►mall debt of 41.11 mi been subjected to taxed 50515 to toe amount 'of - Petition ordered to be printed. Nr.111111711 presented a petition from Nottingham, (Ms 'Mlievr) preying for the abolition of slavery iu the West Indics. He did not know e list 'Melo tie the views of Muer who urged forward this question. He OAS 003ln:rattly interested in lA' eat India property ; sod Owlet: he would not state what comer lie should pursue:ou the apptecetiog disiiuseian, he could nit but chisel; e that many extiggerafeu ►tatemruta had hot abroad, connected with the. question. Mr. DENMAN ovule in fat Or of the abolition of slavery. as preyed for by the petition. LA principle, lie thought, could not be disputed ; nor that the number of ►laves had diminished since the abolition of the slave trade• Mr. SYKES wished to see the abolition carried,' though be did not desire to view it carried by clamour ; tint he wished the House never tit forget, that every morning 800,000'negroes ruse, and were denied the benefits of British law. Mr. P. WIEN FELL also spoke in femme of the petition.— Petition ordered to be printed. Mr. Ciente ee.—Mr. HUME presented a petition from Mr. Carlile, now confined in Dorchester jail, preying for the inter• ferencte -of the House, es the term of his imprisonment bad ex pired, std an he was hew confined no account of the fine. Ho expected -that the Gusernment before this time would have in terfered. The bon. member spoke strongly in favour of Mr. Carlile r geuerad charm'. r, drelarine that lie was an exemplary (ether end husband, and an excellent neighbour. In 1816, the petitioner was driven to greet distress, and thee became a hawker of Sherwin's pamphlets. Eventually the petitioner purchased the Register, and called it the Itspilsfieaa.—But so difficult was it to sell that, and to•dispose of Paine's theological writings, he could not bell Isis tiest edition of 1000, althoughlt had been most conspicuously ailvertised. Such, however, was the effect of the prosecutions, that he sold that edition,' nd soon afterwards another edition 013,000 copies; when his wife was prosecuted• the Repels:igen rose to 15,000; and 'Sri/oiler's Dwarf, after the prosecution of the author, rose from 5 few hundreds to 12,040. 'Mat was the consequence of so erro neous tut unjust a system. lie then comfit:third of the Judge's 'redemption of the defences as new sad frewevemlable doctrine; and the seizure of the pelitinner's property, all the books on Ile: premises, as well at the libels, which were kept for three years. Was cot that a monstrous proceeding? Would the country have borne like conduct towards M . Rivingtone, the religious bookse lees, if they had been found guilty of pub lishing one ireeligionstibel ? What would the House have said of the seizure of 15,008 volumes, and the kk • ping of them for three years? The petitioner said,. bad the stock been left, 's cripting the alleged iibels, it would have produced near 2,0001. The lease of his house was sold, Rise servants turned out ; and after thud acting the petitioier Wits' still required to pay Ones to the amount of 1,5001. without means to the amount of 101. Ile agreed with the petitioner, that lie was placed in Me one,. ampled situation ; that he had been vio'cully deprived of pro . pert~ ; and that he was still kept in custody, althotigh the term of hie imprisonment expired in December last. He pre sented the petition with the conviction that it merited the at tention of thejlome. The SOLICITOII GENERAL said, that the libel of widish Mr. Carlile bad been found guilty ha I before been repeatedly prosecuted and punished. As to the defewee, Mr. Cadile's was one of remarkable length. It was not one of evidence—it was one of address to the jury, On the gnat day Mr. C. commenced hie address at eleven in tie morning, anal "(sentineled till ten at night (hear); the met day he resumed at - ten and continued till seven; and on a third day, lie again 'wean at ten 0' c>t•ss and closed his defence at five o'clock. (Hear, hear.) M r.Co •et tile thus proceeded, and when brought op for judgment, be ad dressed the Court at greet length • bat without inn. rimption.— As to the seizure of the property the Government had nothing to do with it ; the proeeeutcrs applied for the writ. and it was cumpetetit to Mr. Cathie to resist it. Mr. Sheriff Par Lies I.nd the writ, and had executed it ; sod before they went to sale. Mr. Staikie examined nil the works seized, 110,000 volumes, and all thet coel•l he to!ll out of thet winier, fetched only Set. As to the incapacity of the prisoner In pay the tee., the has. member had spoken of the vast number of copies sold, and consetratilly there must have beeffirnmenie reempte. Mr. LENN4II.I) condemned the excessive punishment end . and the enornittus fines that seers heaped on this wretched Mau duet proceeding, wire amonest the bededens of the times. Mr. HUME, in reply, snid, as to the works roll, it would be recollected the produce was expended in other works; it hemmer invested iu via -k ; that stock was melted, and yet the lines were requited, rte if Mr. Carlile had sold it and got the money. Mr. PEEL Outfield the recognizances had not been offered'. lie should (deem to the primiug of tee petition, as the tworgeh of it contained verions references to hooks declared libels.-- The House Or COMIIIOII4 vas WA thus to be made the vehicle to circulate (hi condensed in.: selected libels of 60.030 volumes. Dlr. HUM r: ,A I, it could be primed "reboot the tuarg'oal stelementX. Me. PEEI. was against tide course ; it was not for the Lowe the. to inutulate documents. Petition ordered to lie on the table, Mr. Hume &merges; Ifs should reserve to [rewire' the repportuitity of hereafter moving that the petition be primed. Mr. HUSK ISSON presented a petition from the bakers 'el Liverpool, prayieg tear die London Bakers Act shufeld bit es tended to Liverpool. Mr. GRENFELL observed, that it would be utsnl to make such act ;curie!. Petition ordes.el to b' printed. Fer cortftsivatiou C. , e page 133.) , PPM ns.~~ =1 ' ~ ‘ 1 ,;..~ I i i