The National Register. — London, England, 1821-03-18 00:00:00

The other omen were disposed of. and the house adjourned at half past twelve. THURSDAY, MA RCM IS. The Whitechnpel Gas Light Bill was read a second time. Sir T. LE'l'll BRIDGE brought in n bill to authorize the alienation of lands belonging to charitable foundations, and exchanging them fur other lands of equal or greater value. A petition was presented from land owners and occupiers, in Wiltshire complaining of agricultural defiers. Mr. BCC:DALE brought in a bill for the inure effectual punishateet of juvenile iitlenders. A petition was presented from Bridgcnorth against the Roman Catholic Bill. 31r. CHOKER obtained leave to bring in a bill to renew the:Royal Marines Mutiny Bill, without nay alteration. He afterwards brought in the Bill, which was read a first time, and ordered to be rend a second time to-snot row. RONAN CATAOLIC 1111.1..—Mr. CHOKER said. with reference to the very inipertain Bill which stood for to morrow, (bat if it should be the pleasure of the house to authorize the second reading of the first bill, affecting the Roman Catholics, lie should move that it be an instruction to the committee on such bill, to enable his Majesty to make a provision for the Roman Catholic clergy.—(Hear.) Sir R. FERGUSSON complained of breach of privilege that took place in the shape of a letteWsigned " an Eog lisliman," published hi The Morning Post, of this day. That letter adverted to proceedings that had taken place in the house between an hon. hart. (Sir G Warrender), and an hon. friend, member for Appleby (Mr. Creevey), and it accused Mr. Creevey of direct cowardice. lie felt himself bound to notice the circumstance, because lie had been con sulted on the occasion; and it ans pursuant to his advice that his lion, friend had acted The paragraph, a Melt he did not hesitate to pronounce false and foul calumny, how ever charged nothing short of direct cow ardice. If cowardice were imputable to any one, it was to himself (Sir R., F.) and not to the menthes' for Appleby; and for the truth of what he now stated, he could cunlideutly appeal to a noble lord opposite. Lord BINNING agreed in the character which hail been given of the publication in question, and stated that ;he gal lant General had behaved in the most !immutable manner.— Ilis conduct throughout had been most honourable and gen tlemanly. He regretted that it hod appeared ; it was quite uncalled for; it certainly showed any feeling rather than that of" an Englishmen. '—(flear.) The SPEAKER suggested, whether any beneficial result could ensue from pursuing the conversation after the parties immediately interested had entered into requisite capitol/a lthea, and as be understood that no motion was to be sub mitted to the Louse.--(Hear, hear.) The conversation here dropped. Mr. JAMES brought forward his promised motion res pecting the introduction of the military during the election at Carlisle. Three magistrates in the extravagant exercise of their duty had called in the military; but there was nothing to warrant such proceeding. If the constitution were any thing but a name, timely such matters would be considered to merit enquiry. There was nothing but a triffingeffray. Party spirit always ran high at Carlisle, and many proceedings had resulted from anxiety to goad the people to desperate conduct. But all this proceeded from the fondness for military rule. A standing army and bar racks uppiessed and impoverished the people, who- e peti tions and complaints were answered by the sword.—(Hear!) —Whether muirchy or military despotism was to be the result, lie knew nut—hut he would do all in his power to resist that violation of all law which he feared threatened the country. Ile wax prepared to establish all the facts of the case, by the testimony. of several magistrates and others. lie concluded with movie's that the petition of the electors of Cathie, presented in June last, be referred to a select committee. Sir I'. MUSGRAVE defended the conduct of the magis trates. The proceednigs at the election became most violent, and the Mayor's efforts to restore order were in vain—in winking such efforts he was treated with the greatest contempt. Sir .1. MACKINTOSH said, if this proceeding were to bejustitied it would then be necessary to repeal the law, and to enact that the military be empowered to interfere ith mid protect the freedom of election. There, however, were different des of expression adopted by a successful and an unsuccessful candidate. What the hon. hart. deemed an outrageous mob, doubtless the triumphant candidate termed nothing more than a spirited display of the feeliug of Carlisle.—(Hear.)—lf there were to be popular election s, and if the suggestions of the timid or disappointed were to be listened to, then must the military be introduced on all important and popular elections. Ile thought that enquiry was called for—on the present showing of the case, an un warrantable interruption of the military appeared to have taken place. Lord CASTLER EACH said that troops had not been tent to Carlisle castle, to be prepared fur any thing that might happen at the election; but although the intreductioa of military was properly watched with jealousy, the int roduc lion of such assistance when required by the civil power had been user tied over again ret ogrozed. Ile kite w nut the putt iculuro of the case—but it certainly appeared that con sideruble rioting was going on at the [air. James— " Ther e was uu rioting tit all.")—lie knew not what the particulat facie of the ease wet e—but he thought die house could out In LeVe that there was any deliberate intention to Wert upt the election. if there had been any such intention, surely the military would not have [seen introduced at the close of the day's pull ; the military would have been intro duced staring the day. There tins tinthilig, iu his opinion, to require the interference and enquiry of the House. Mr. CUR 1f EN hoped that this would out lie deemed a peisunal case—that it would be viewed as une affecting the rights of election. The same mayor had beline shown disposition to call out the militia y —for at a previous elec tion lie had called out the military prep:auto' y to its com mencement. He (Mr. C.) hind 'untested against such pro ceeding, and he also complained of the recent transactions. and he should give his vote fur enquiry—it ea. called for.- 11 was 1111 direct attack on the magistrates; if a case were made out, then the Inuglitritics would be called out. lie did not complain of going nutria or the ministers; lie wanted to vindiente the fi-ei loot of election. Mr. C. W. WYNN said, that the house was the proper place for enquiry into all complaints regarding elections. The law justly viewed with the greatest jealousy the introduction of the military, and nothing but a case of extreme necessity only could warrant such conduct. Whether that necesity had existed in the present instance, it temaintal to be proved, The house owed it to themselves and to their constituents to institute enquiry into the case that had been alleged. Mr. BECKET!' observed, that in the Westminster case the collates had lined the hustings—but in the present rase the s I. thus were not iutzuduccd tin the end of the (lay. The THE NATIONAL REGISTER trates interfered on their own responsibility ; the remedy was an action at law. Mr. BENNETT said he had seen a more malignant riot—at Westmorland, where Lord Lowther had be; n Minded by ►ands of biudgeon men, led on by a slave trade dealer. The same per son appeared at Carlisle ; he seemed to be in the regular pay of the noble lord. Lord I.OWTHER replied, that the Whigs of Westminster were to have their bludgeon men—but if special constables were sworn in by others, to preserve the peace, then it was violent conduct, and interfering with the rights of election. But was it worse to have been a fa.tve dealer than to be descended from slave dealer? Mr. JAMES replied. The question was then put and AGREED TO wi division. Mr. IIARBORD then moved for a select commits ' quire into the state of the law respecting the price . •of bread. Motion and committee am to _ _ appointed. On the motion, that the report of the army estimates brought up, Mr. BERNAI. said, that nothing that hall passed convinced him of the necessity of keeping up so large a standing army.—. Be thought that the circumstances of the country required reduction of our forces. Mr. HUME also followed on the same side, and submitted, upon r, Mug the resolution, a motion for reducing the numbei of men io,fiutt. A long discussion followed, in which Lord Palmerston, Mr. Lockhart, Mr. Davies Mr. Creevey, and others took a part, and ultimately a division took place, when the numbers were, for receiving the report and agreeing with the resolution, 116—For Mr. Hume's motion, 46—Ma jority in favour of ministers, 70. Lord A I.THOIiPE then moved the second reading of the county court bill, and after some observations from several members the bill was read a second time, and committed for Monday. Sir H. PARNELL proposed the second reading of the Irish tythe leasing bill, that it should be printed and lie over for further consideration. Sir G. HILL opposed the bill being read a second time, until it should have been printed, and put into the hana of members for their consideration. After a lung conversation the bill was read a second lime and committed for this day week. The mutiny bill was put in and read a first time. Adjourned of half past twelve. ICRIDAI, MARCH 16. In consequence of the order for the call of the house standing for to-day, the gallery was not opened till near half-past four o'clock. It was then opened, when a tre mendous rush took place. It was crowded almost instau• taneously, after which the pressing at each door became the most frightful : many persons for some tin.e exclaiming " keep back." Some time elapsed before the business passing could be heard. Lord LOWTHER (in the absence of Sir G. Hill) moved that the order for the call of the house be postponed till Monday. Sir J. MACKINTOSH said, that a full attendance had been secured ; and be therefore saw no object in keeping this vexatious order hanging over the heads of members. He knew not whether the object had been to excite a clamour out of doors ; if such bad been the object, thank God it had tailed. As the object of proposing the call had been secured, and nut considering that any good object could be gained by continuing the vexatious order, he should move as an amendment that the order be dis charged.—( Hear. hear.) Lord LOW . THER replied, that lie was nut desirous of pressing the call of the house. The order for the Call of the house was then discharged. Petitions were presented from Essex—Bristol—the council of Stirling,—Bath, &c. against the Catholic Disa bility Removal Bill. Read and ordered to lie ou the table. Mr. MARRYA'FT presented a petition from Canada, respecting the timber duties. It was in French. The SPEAKER called the attention of the house to this peculiarity. Petitions from native princes, as well as treaties agreed to in French, had been presented; hat they had been translated. Ought it to be presented in this loins? Mr. MARRYATT thought that it would be a great hardship thus to limit the right of petition. Mr. C. W. WYNN added that be desired to effect no such purpose ; but if this were to be received, what was to prevent them front receiving petitions from the several foreign settlements in their native language ?—Petition withdrawn for the present. Petitions against the Catholic bill were presented from the citizens and community of Oiford—arclideaconry and clergy of Middlesex—inhabitants of Warwickshire and Staffordshire—and Cambridge university. Mr. COKE presented a petition from the arclideaconry of the diocese of Norwich, in suppot t of the Catholic bills (Cheers)—a petition which had his most cot dial support. If the measures acre agreed to, they would give satisfac tion to one of the best Ines, liviug---he meant the Bishop of Norwich. (Cheers.) IHE CATUOLIC RELIEF BILLS.—Mr. PLUNKEI•T afit r wards mused the second reading of his two bills ; the first being to remove all the civil disabilities affecting the Bowan Catholics; this second to regulate the intercourse of the Catholic priesthood with the see of Rome. lie de set died the main features of the bills. They were in must respects similar to the measure of chief dif ference was in having two bills instead of one. Ili, reason fur this was, that he desired to keep distinct the measures affecting the laity and those relating to the clergy. the first bill passed through, the cot ttttt ittee, than he should press the second; for in such case lie should consider that such a boon would have been granted as to warrant the Protestants in requiring seem sues from the Catholics. By the first bill the Boman Catholics were made cligihhe to fill all offices in the state, except the chancellorships of England and Ireland, and the lord lieutenancy . of Ireland. With respect to a notice that had been given—to move au instruction to the committee to enable the crown to pro. vide fur the Catholic clergy—lie lamented that it had been given. It was not a gracious intioduetien of such a sub ject. He concluded with musing the second reading of the bills. Sir W. SCOTT opposed the bills. Mr. BANKS spoke against the bill at great length. 111 r. WII.I3ERFORt li suppoited the bill, and con tended that the C 'invites %vele now o tiling to give all the securities al quire I. Mr. 11.43 HURST replied to Mr. Wilberforce, and con cluded by moving an amendment, that, instead or noss, the bill should be read a second ti inc this day six months. Sir J. AIACIENTOSki sitippory.:(l the datito Ui the Ca tlioties. 83 Mr. PEEL opposed the aseastaie, which he eoutendr could Pot be adopted without danger to the established church. Mr. CANNING rose, and said, that it was impossible to look to the laws as they at present stood without seeing that they contained the seeds of inevitable progression or of inevitable struggle to make them more effectual.— The argiognt was now taken as if there had been nothing else but ft piritual conuezion with a foreign power; but it • ; it had always been made ground of charge • ' * Roman Catholic that he had also enterisined Oetleliction for a foreign potentate. It was 4•• upon some test that would discover the ady to restore the exiled family to the -ii to detect him by the oath of Iran. creed his guilt ? No. Bat his .1 his guilt consisted in his man pretend to assert ? No ;it ems gone ; _at w.. 1 no more. Bet he of transubJ•antiation was still to be made 4 i:et of penal laws! The right lion, gent, then proceeded to state, that the retoemation, notwithstanding all the blessings it had bestowed teton the country, had been tainted by many acts of injustize and mutual persecution. It had been asserted that it wa • i npossible for a Roman Catholic to enter into full enjoy ment of political rights without feeling it to be his duty to overturn the ecclesiastical establishments of the country. To give the Catholic the elective franchise at the same time that you denied him every thing else; to make him an elector at the same time that you rendered him inca pable of being elected, was not the way to bind Ireland to the rest of the empire in lies of strection. But some gents, were afraid that when this was done, those persons who had stood by the constitution while they enjoyed its benefits partially, would rise up against it if they were admitted to the full participation of it. This was not likely. At present the constitution was to them negative and repulsive. Then it would be positive and full of ad vantage. The right hon. gent. then said that government had frequently promised to fulfil the prayers of the Roman Catholics, but instead of doing so, had as often treated them with scorn and insult. ladeed he thought that the Catholics might address government iu pretty much the seine language as a certain lover bad addressed his anis. tress— When late I attempted your pity to move, Why did you reject my fond prayers? Perhaps it was right to dissemble your love, lint why did you kick me down stairs? With the established religion of the country the Roman Catholics would of course have nothing to do. This must be a first and fundamental principle both of all that was yielded and all that was retained. When lie made these obiervations, it was chiefly for the purpose of accounting for those provisions of the bill which went still to exclude Roman Catliulies front the Universities, and from the spi ritual courts. He could perceive no difficulty in carryilig the provisions into effect, ulr did he therefore feel any in carrying this measure,and in considering it as a final ad justment. They now stood at a unomeet peculiarly favourable for discussion, and singularly free from any hazard with which this measure might otherwise be at. tended. They were iu the enjoyment of a peace in a great degree achieved by Catholic arms, and cemented by Catholic blood—a peace which, notwithstanding the the terrific aspect of affairs in one quarter of Europe, he hoped was yet destined to be permanent. (Hear.) It was indifferent to him, provided the result was concord, by what particular mode, or in what general understand ing it was established. He cared not whether it was plucked from Protestant gratitude, or was tendered in generous confidence, as a voluntary gift. It would in either ease bless both the giver and the receiver those silent operations of nature which were equally beneficial, whether they rose in grateful exhalations or descended in fertilise; showers. —To conclude, should they adopt this measure, he would cheerfully ;sledge all the prescience of his mind that they would not repent of the result, but would ere long reap from it a rich harvest of added strength, enthusiasm. and renown. (The right hon. gentleman sat down amidst fervent and generalaeheering.) The cries of" question" were now extremely loud, and ' the house divided : For the original question.... ...... 254 Against it. Majority fur the secubd reading H On the motion of Mr.Plinikett, the bill was then ordered to be, committee ou Monday. Adjourned at hall-past three o'clock. FLORENCE, Fut. O.—The Austrian army is now fbr the most part past. It cannot in the field consist of 40,000 combatants, and, with the excep tion of about 6,000, the infantry is contemptible. The train of followers is so great, that it resembles more an Indian than an European army. The en• thusiasm of the army is extreme. The people are united to a man, and all well armed. Indeed an Italian population is truly lOrmidable. Every per son has the right to shoot, and scarcely one is with out a gun, and he well knows the use of it. The Austrian army is thoroughly and openly dispirited A German courier of mine mixed in all their ranks, and found the fear of the enemy, and of his means of defence, to possess them all. Four towns have been, by a brief of the Pope, declared to he in the possession of the Carbonari, and all who join them are excommunicated. Thus you see, in the face of their advancing columns, this spirit rises against the Austrians. Depend upon it Italy is completely re volutionized, nor do I believe that the Austrians can save themselves. It is a fine moment to inhabit here ; to see this long oppressed country once more rising to assume her rank amongst the nations, is truly animating. Hosts, FEB 21.—0 n the evening of the 15th, an Austrian advance-guard, of about 1,500 men, entered Faln), on the Adriatic Sea; a column of the army followed the next day. The property of the late Air. Dalrymple appears by hie will not to amount w 30,0001. instead of be.ng 10,0001. a yoi. 1 ,A