The National Register. — London, England, 1822-05-20 00:00:00

forward I sad he Misled Iliad Om WI world Petition 'Merril S. be rioted. Mr. WARNS p dldswl.Nwwtotwristettot Mi. eaves M s oho iwn to I_loroday loots be. aide this endideaally. It Ma nen =pre. cgarrLim (Ibird deer) were w neL eal M. it wadi ali be ibeldas I, ling termini his arena I if that win at. jested, tot be abseil bins leeward his Remiss or Timelier next. Mr. HUMS brew& timed his modes se the whin or the lonise Weeds. He tram hem ea attormied doted et the wanes sf bie T. Meisionmthe redier or. hie penneirem..ehe swam which it 011•01111611..4111111 lIIIINNIMI that dgr uh wr i nib se to atil kr the latietioreser or dim Mama Whip Se oar areapth. ead whitest pmedoir eileneoppe. earn hM bees gnat at die ialaiderate by raw eine po eeedup et the goretaer i it awned as if_tesat regard won pal to the " legitimate" rover of the Ter while the exertion et the Gneiss and to be desidedly illemeneasneed. Thiakbu sad bat itnity ks 4 r o s s:ght to be se essenda windier faith with the Main hieetia—he teashond with moving, that a Camino be applated to in. Idie MOT'" subj ivllLAts._ (the Warm Isermen append ths soodes, maintaining that in all lir Maitind haddam he had bean justified by paintalar attti ar hy the airommunsens of dm livery Awl had WS Mae TOIMOININ the norms oldie Irma wands, Pain had bees kept win them. The to ego& ing them had net bean violated, according to bis enstruetios of them ; and he naiad that there had ham anneagant expendi ture. or any unnormary acts of sonwity. Mr. W I LLI A MS. el Lincals. sted _the motion. The gallery was dun dorm Dr a Odious—Fee the motion, 67—Against it—UNO—Rierrity waist dip rowds•—as. Lord LONDONDER T brougiu in a Bill ta area the law relative to the importation at ihnign corn.--Read warm doe, and ordered tokbe reads mond thus this day weak. Adjourned. WIOIIIBiDAT, MAT 15. Mr. QuAttua, the Yeoman Usher of the Black Rod, summoned the Haase to attend ia dm House of Peers, to hear the royal assent given, by commission, to sundry public and private bills. A new wilt was ordered for Rakish in the room of Mr. M. Russell, deceased. A petition was presented from the tanners, &c. of Southampton, praying for • revision of the leather tax. Sir R. SHAW presented • petition from the calico printers of Ireland, praying for the repeal of the lit of Oro. IV. Mr. ELLISON presented a petition from the county of Monmouth, agreed to at a public meeting, complaining of distress, mainly produced by Mr. Peel's bill, which compelled them to pay twice as much produce to meet the demands on them as was previously required; and praying for a reduction of taxes, the abolition of the Sinking Fund, &c. The boa. member said, he could net sapport the petition.—Ordered to be printed. Mr. LITTLETON presented a petition from Mr. Lei cester, stating, that he had discovered means to prevent explosion he mines, and praying the horse to adopt mea sures that would enable him to carry them into effect.— Ordered to lie on the table . TYTHE SYSTEM, IRELAND. Mr. S. COOPER presented a petition from the county of Sligo, complaining of the extensive distresses in that county. as %tenni; of the tythe system. The hon. mem ber ob ,d, that the evil which abated the south of Ireland was to be introduced into another district. Mr. ABERCROMBY said, the Petition merited the moat serious attention. He hoped the house would pre. vent that extension of the evil whirls was feared. Speak ing of the t) the system, lie mentioned an instance where a clergyman in Ireland, in the costae of 15 years, had issued 6,000 processes for the recovery of tyilies. He admitted that the law was on the clergyman's side; but lie mentioned the subjert to show the House of Commons what the law sanctioned.--(Hear.) Sir J. NEWPORT spoke of the tythe on potatoes as one of the severest scourges that afflicted Ireland ; and if there was not some rrtnedial measure, suffering and outrage, unequalled by all that been heard of, would be produced. _ Mr. GOULI3URN explained some circumstances con nected with the petition. particularly the facts that led to the enforcement of the tytbe upon potatoes. Mr. HUME said, he bad postponed his motion on this subject at the request of the right bon. gentleman s and be had daily expected to hear that the government was about to do something to effect relief t but week after week had elapsed without any intimation being given; and if left to the right hon. gentleman and the minister, the whole session would, doubtless, be allowed to pass away without any thing being done. He daily received communications that convinced him of the importance of the subject, and he was only surprised that no member from that part of the kingdom had taken up the question. (Hear, bear.) Mr. S. RICE said, that the existing evils in Ireland had their origin in tythes, and not iu the rents; and he trusted that 'ere long, that the tythes would be cast ou the Pro testant land-owner. Mr. PLUNKETT admitted the greatness of the evil.— He knew of no remedy that would not affect the security of property; and then he feared that evils would be pro duced greater than those it desired to remedy. If they began with the property of tit.• clergy, lie did not know how that of the laudlord would escape; and thee where was the change to end t Sir N. COLTHUR.ST trusted, that the subject of tithes would be brought before the house previous to the end of the session. It ought to be brought forward by the mi. utsters.—(Hear, hear.) CIVIL LIST. Mr. LENNARD brought forward his motion for a coninsittee to inquire into the expencea of the third class or the civil list ; that respecting ambassadors, envoys, disc. to ascertain what savings could be produced. The hon. ,u.•mber said, the di►tress of the country was generally admitted, and it was idle to talk of maintaining our dig nity by extravagant expenditure, when every post con vc) ed accounts of our distresses. Since 1792 the expence had been greatly inctcased, and where was the necessity fin it ? Some expellees had been trebled and quadrupled, particularly the embassy to Russia; and our ambassador to America cost 6,0 ml., which was 491. more than the salary of the President, (Hear.) He would not allude to the extravagant appointment to Switzerland (Mr. Wynn's), because it was to be made Ite subject of a die motion, and because it was an exception to the ex travagance even of the civil list. He thought there could be uu objection to inquiry, as there was so vast an Increase since 1792 there was au increase of 1890001.; where was the advantage of continuing It ? He thought the De fendant and the Crown would hest consult the interests of the country by acquiescing iu seductioue. He con- THE NATIONAL REGISTER - eluded with repeating his motion fee • select eenimittee of inquiry. Lord LONDONDERRY said, he should meet the MO. lion with a direct negative. Meet of the espences were annually brought before the home ; and although it might salt the korsoarable twensber for Aberdeen (Mr. Herne) 14 go over the estimates twice, be did not &essay necessity for traueferrieg the execetive to a comm i t t ee above stairs. There had - been a contract with the Crown respecting the civil list; and within the last s pion the country bad gilded millions by the transfer of duties, doe. ea use forming of such contract. The noble lord entered into a defence of the policy pnrsaed by this smoky and our present diplomatic system, and contended that the indolence which England at present held in the scale of Europe. was as great or greater than ails had ever en joyed at any former period of one history. Sir J. MACINTOSH strongly coodemned the system of policy which the Government had adopted since the re turn of peace. He censured the principles of what was called the Holy Alliance, and contended th a t e i t h er we bad no influence as regarded the affairs of Europe 1 or if we had, that influence the Government had most grossly abased, and become a party to all the acts of the Holy Alliance. This, lie contended, was almost proved beyond contradiction by the Alien Bill, which the noble lord was about to press upon the house at an early day. Mr. ROBINSON defended the conduct of administra tion, and contended, that at present the votes of the house and the espression of the country went to show that his Majesty's ministers bad the confidence of both parliament and the people; and if the house should once declare, by their votes, that they had withdrawn their confidence, he dusted he used no unconstitutional language when he said his Majesty's present ministers would nut attempt to carry on the business of the country any logger. Mr. CREEVY supported the motion, and contended that inquiry was necessary. Mr. TIERNEY also supported the motion, after which the house divided—Fur the modem. Ill—Against it, 274 —Majority in favour of ministers, 127. When strangers were re-admitted, we found the Speaker putting the question on kringing up the report on die Catholic Peers' bill. The report was received, the amend ments in the committee agreed to, and the bill ordered to be read a third time on Friday. Adjourned at one o'clock. TITISDAT. MAT 16. Sir J. YORKE presented a petition from the Waterloo Bridge Company against the Lambeth Roads Bill, praying to be beard *Labatt the same by counsel, as it motorised several clauses which, if pawed into a law, would be hi g hly Winkles to the company's interests. Petitions were presented from the tanners of Tiverton, London,Re.against the leather tax. Ordered to be printed. Mr. BAGWELL presented a petition from the Grand Jury of Tipperary, complaining of agricultural distress.— Ordered to be printed. Sir C. COLE presented a petition from Glamorgaeshire, praying the revision of the present system of Welch Judica ture. The present system might have merits, bet the defects completely overpowered them. Mr. ALLEN postponed, till the 234 lost. his motioa res. peeling the Welch Jedicatere, Mr. G. BENNET brought in the bill to alter and mead the laws regarding the Weiss* of ale-houses. Read • first time, and ordered to be read a second t.me on Monday nest, and to be printed. Mr. C. CALVERT presented the report of the Bakers' Trade Regulation Bill, and it was ordered to be taken into further consideration on the 21st inst. Mr. BYNG prevented a petition from freeholders of Mid dlesex, praying for leave to bring in a bill to amend the laws on the subject of the county rate. Referred to a committee. Mr. R. MARTIN presented a petition la favour of his Bill to prevent the ill treatment of the brute creation. The bon member adverted to the " sports," as they were milled. of the lower orders, though he denied that the mess of the humbler classes partook in them l and he pat titularly con deemed the Westminster cock-pit—some sof tbe peblic fights, bear-tinitiog, Ice. emendating some of the barbarities and mischiefs that halresulted from them. Mr. LOCKHART was disposed to slew this measure fa. yourably ; for, though man had the command of the Orate creation, be was to use them rationally. The petition was from the inhabitaats of CamberwelL— Ordered to be printed. Mr. SYKES presented a petition from the guardians of the pour of Hull. against the poor removal Bill. They coo• 'littered the hill bad in policy, and dangerous in experiment. The hon. member said, he thought there was not one person in or out (bribe Howse that was favouroble to the bill, except itt hon. and learned mover (Mr. Scarlett.) Mr. COKE pr. rented a petition from Freebridge, &e. complaining of agricultural distress. They prayed for a reduction of taxation and reform. Read and ordered to be priuted. Mr. LUSIIINGTON presented a petition from the mayor and corporation of Canterbury against the Catholic Peers' MlL—Ordered to he printed. Ali. CHET W YNDE moved that the Vagrant Laws Amendment Bill be recommitted.—Agreed to, and in the committee some naiendinents were plopoNed and adopted, ether remarks from Mr. Sykes, Sir C. Burrell, Mr. Bestial, Mr. Ilobhoune, and Mr. Williams (Lincola.) Lord J. RUSSELL moved for copies of the proclamations i-sued by S , r T. Maitland in the lonian Islands, respecting the war between the Turks and the Greeks. Lord LONDONDERRY said, if is were ;Mended to found uny motion on those papers he slwuld realil the motion. Lod d J. RUSSELL replied, that be had no intention to submit any motion un the subject at the prevent tiro( t he however would not 1:4 at some future period he aught not call the aiteatiuq oh the Hutwe to the que.troo. Papers ordered. Sir T. LETHBRIDGE presented a petition from the neighbourhood of Bath, sigued by about 620 pertains, praying the House to adopt a tee on the Elighbh uh-eute,u. !le thought it wits u pet lion I lint the of the E, ache. goer might consider as intefferinr: with his particular pro vince. The petitioners culeulated, that, in Puts all o nett do re were 10,000 fatuities t shut coniauettng there were live in each tinnily, there were 50,000 English there $ mill that taking [lie averngn expense tit u guts - •a a day. iu the British spent Il,Y50,000,• annually. (1 lear4iiiiti a Inugli.)— that was the petit it.ners' stuteuteus. siml there was a strong feeling out of doors [hut the üb.enters ought to tie made lib pay their propos tinu of the taxes,—The tax would be a popular one—oat that hr intended to propure its ndoptiun t and if relief were to be grauted, the °roisters ought to luuk iu till et. e. i ots to grunt it. .1 53 Mr. RICARDO mid, that the bon. Barnet's court' , sum's ~ extraoldiaary. He who intredeced ibis petitiou supports' • system of legislatioe that tended to drive away' persons. for this systems was to make pretrial... dears he was fee promoting high priers. —He (Mr ER.) was persuaded that this eonutry might be made the cheapest to live In, by getting rid of oar Cora Laws, sod by maklag ese great effort to get rid of our lead of ;41. He knew that some viewed this Deb...teas visioaary, bet he believed it pot to be such ; be considered it practicable, by equitable toetribetions from all *pecks of property—the land, tie mercantile interests, fuedlittliers. Ike. Ile sasses. that gentlemen would Nos see that she seem was what aught is be adopted. That debt mast its some way be adjusted. Mr. D. BROWNE spoke of the evils that bad melted to Ireland an coosequeoce of absentees. The calamities the aßicted the cautery were great, sad called ea those who could provide remedies to propose them. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER spoke against the prayer of the petition. Serb a tax would sot even be productive to the revenue, for din to the cal culations of the tax-office the mewed-lases lost about SOOJI. a year by the absentees. Sir I. COFFIN observed, that as to the naval °Seers who might reside abroad, their poverty sad mot their will automated. Mr. W. SMITH denounced those laws which wrist to prevent artisans from lgoing abroad as severe and tyreanows. Many were seawalls' at home, and yet they wen to be pre• vented from going is places where they Sight be able to live. If they attempted to escape from starvation they were to be drugged to prison. Petition presented, read, and ordered to be printed. _ _ _ Swiss CANTONS. — Mr. WARRE. at Near DIM o'clock. rope to bring furwa►d his promised osmium ►ega►ding the Ambassador to the Swiss Cantu's. After the discussion of the preceding night be need not make any extended re. marks; he avowed that the specific o►ject of his motives was to obtain a reduction of the expense. Up to 1783. then miuisters to the Swiss Canto.. received 15001. a sear. Mr. Brum. who fullowed,.reeeived 2501. a year; bat afterwards the amount bad been greatly ratted. lie did not want toga bark to 2501. but did desire that the scale of 1 . 192 should be followed as closely as it could be. It was worth remarking that only two or three years age the scale of 1792 was scooted, but now the change of eirconostaaces and twice in- • deiced many penes' to believe that the scale of 1794 was deserving copying in many things. Till after the pewee official moose were not required is Switzerland ; and at that period a representative was required there to adjust se. iodations respecting territory, the. These matters bavisqg bees settled, be 'obsoleted that there was ow oceasioa fur say resident their I and be would be mach obliged to an, body who would tell him what possible business we could new base with the Swiss Customs, to require as Ambassador there at as enormous salary. As Mr. Causing's stay is Switzerland, after the object of his mission having been closed, it might be said, why was it sot noticed before ? The truth was, many things escaped without bears noticed ? and in 1819, in particular, gentlemen were more anxious and were thinking More about what might happen out of doors, than about forcer' ministers However, for twenty mouths the mission remised means, and it was not filled up till eegotiatious appeared to be going on with Como whom be must now tall the noble Marquis's new silks. Rut his objection was to the mission, sad not to the person who occupitd it ; he objected to the mission having been reaew•-d as unnecessnry. The hon. gent. *lieu moved • series of reso lutions. (All hat the last merely detailed the history of the minim; from 1(30 down to this time, to the same effect as is his speech.) Ts. the last resolution, however, be (Mr. W.) begged the attention of the House, fur it IMO the only substantial resolution which put the qu Ilion at issue. It was," Time it appeared to the House that the 'epicenes of the mission to Switzerland might, without detriment to elt• public ',voice, be reduced to what they had been at the op • pointment of Lord Robert Fitzgerald, and abet they had been for one year and eight mouths preceding the ',remit appointment to that station." (Loud cheers.) The boo. member begged to explain respecting a sli,lht difference between the expences of Mr. Wickham and Mr. Dishrowe. It was not material enough to be noticed in the resolutios. The SPEAKER having read the first resolution. The Marquis of LONDONDERRY complimented thl temperate manner in which this motion had been brought forward, and said that it afforded him a better opportu nity of stating why the government considered the recent appointment advantageous to the country. The noble marquis then proceeded to protest, as in last night's de bate, against the executive government of she cannery being called on to divulge the policy which dictated their appointmetits of ministers to foreign courts. America, whose conduct was so strongly pressed on this govern ment as an example, (lid not act thus. but voted a certain sum tube placed at the disposal of the executive, for the purpose of foreign missions. He contended that a nil nister of the first rank was necessary to support the in. fliience of this country with the government of Switeer land.eltliongli we wrue at preent at price. If any other course were adopted, we might, on the breaking eta of any future war, find some other power possessed of that influence so essential to us. With !hie exploit:aloe lie . would, after the discussion of last night, leave the quell lion in the hands of Vie house. Lord NORM ANBY supported the motion, and in duinit so, begged to be .utivratooil as no: at all °Wrenn" to the individual minted to the situation, but to the appointment itself, and to the salary attached to it. Mr. %V A RRE replied. 'the first resolutions we►e then put, and Lord Lor don deny moved the previous question on each, which wee eat tied. Mr. TI ERN EY then said he would take the tense of the floube on the 1.,t lan, and the galiery oa• norm Jingly cleared fur a division. The number, ai re—For lir plain resolution, 141-84ttintt for win siert, lON. When we were again mho's; tt we (maid Mr. Goultati addresteng the Howe, and IS •vtog (Or in a Bill fur the better entio'o) meat 01 the pitor in 1 , eland. •flue plan proposed one to 1 I..ee u t•um lit moue, iu the hueds of the Lord Lieutenant, to be expriiited iu public work., ia the COllO Ca l t .0n of tua,l ,tC e. After some oboe' vatioto, leave was given to bring in lb* Bill. The utiler order, of the du) were di►puted uf, nod !louse adjourned at half-past FRIDAY, MAY A petition 1,11111 pre*eint.4 Irma taunt Is, &c. of Shore ham, again-t the teal her tax. A petition was presented from merchants in the parts on the Clyde, pray Mg a revision of the bowfin; oy.trist. A Wilton was presented INIU the same class at persons (For.continualiuts ar page 1,13.) -,