The National Register. — London, England, 1817-03-03 00:00:00

?MARCH S. bre., pin forth ; for which, if the Attorney General had done his ditty, the er;tnitiak :night li4ve been punished ; but failing in doing his duty, the conotry gener a lly were to be punished for hisfaillt•. He went over the Report, treating it wi h considerable degree of ridivitle; calling it suet. tried' as wit. never 11C4111. Ile Wei% a1h41,,e1l of the Report, which (It-wiled to be trampled under his feet.---(The Hon. Member here lite• lolly carried into etrret his of on, by throwing the 141inted Cop y nil th.! Hour.]—into whose hands this power to bit? into those that were already stained with their etninto's lood. Lord CASTl.C^tsycn rose to ro.ler. If the lien. :Wernher stated, that hie ii,td itieireed his hands in biuwl iinjo,tly, it was Lord NIILTOM said, that the charge was not or criminally iming bultrued his hands in Wood. Mr. l'obnt: said, that if due lion. Gentleman adhered to the word '6 criminal," lie trusted the !louse would order him to fix a day for •making out that charge against Ills Noble Friend. If he gave op that word " pe trusted the expression would ho excused, as failing in the Ilea; of debate. Mr. C.' IV% NNE cnn,idcn•d the eXpres , i4o " into whose hands was this power to he pot," applied to Ministers gene rally. The Ser.a.avn agreed that the question was, whether the lion. Alember meant a charge against his Majesty's Gavel m Divot, or against at, lINIIYIdIIaI of it. Mr. IltsitsErr had tut he.itation in statinz, that 'he means the expression generally, to amity to every one of the tiovern• meta wbo stns in pms er at the time those dreadful be eller: tock place in Ireland. Lord Cistt.EiteAnH said, lie hail no right to complain, after the exploit n is en by the Hon, Member. Mr. IIIiNNLTT said, ihe•einelties which he had alluded to, and the torturer, were comini.ted lit Du Win C •stle-yar I, nudes. the cues of Ministers. LULL! CASTLEREAGH trusted the House would not snfli•r the Hon. Member to pursue such a course. It would l i e e l os n to the lion. Member to hi lug fora wed any charge against Itiinistt•rs, if lie thunglit proper. Mr. lies NETT' looped the I louse would civense the heat of debate; and coneholed by declaring, that lie would oppose this Bill, and that for the suppression of Seditious-Meetings. To the others he would give uisesocalt. Mr. F. LEWIS WORK' give •Bes v ole for the suspension of this la<t consiumuation of our liberties with great and serious reluctance ; but he did so because lie must give credit to the C ... mince on the general character of it, thut all.the institu tions of this country were threatened with destruction. Nit. C. Von► a apprehended the Bill, as ruining from the Lords, should he first read, beeanse they could not know what was contained in it until it was rend a first time. I Ir. SatTTlt Said; he' 6 .d eutleavotte etl to (liseover some reason far voting- iu favour of Otis sueusut C, but, ItaiL found mute. _ _ Mr. F. Itertiasos thought nothing short of the propositions made by Goveritineet andicient to ensure the safety eit* the sound an + nd nst ri nits part of tile community. Lord? ALTIIIIIIIP a considered the dectrines of those .mcietiers as lentil: strong antidote.* egaiust the danger to ha appre hended from tlizfm. lie had uu objection to tile Bills for the security of the Regent's person ; firr penielling the sede Prim' of the soldiers nod' eitilore; or to the bill against eellitiotts meetings for a limited time., to es. ided the meeting should be tulerated— AIIPCC they dieppreed is an hour, if required. Bait he could not give IC.. nesent to the Bill for the suspension of the Ifabeas Corpns Act. 'Nee Lento Anoint vim of Scortemn said, that nathine etni:d have induced Ibn to have addres•ed the House, but it inest Mini:rime: sense of the necessity of the measnre to that part of the island with whieli he was more immediately eon fleeted. YOU the 23d olJanuary he state inthrmed, that is secret conspiracy was formed, and cemented by a,: 0.16, to perse vere in &staining for all the people. annual parliaments and universal sattfrage by moral and physical Strength ; and that the pimishinent of death be indicted on any one who informed of any of the members. l'hie society was formed in Glasgow. and the otatiewas administered to many hundreds in tila•evw and its noighleourhood. A motion was mile to expunge the paini•liment of death from the oath. but it was rejected ; and he hod the pleasir.-e to state that many had been taken tip. The oath was as " In the awftit presence of God. I swear to persever2 in endeevour ing to thou a brotherhood of affection between lifitons of all classes in Great Britain and Ireland; and to obtain for all the peeple of Great Britain and 'rebind toe elective franchise at the age of tt, nai versa suffrage, and annual Parliaments. I swe *r to do this by mo ral or iil i ty•teal strength, as the ease may reqiiin... I swear, that neither ones. fears, nor punishments, shall Mama me to Ore (knee against any individual hAntr;ing to the Society, n: to reveal any of its proceolinge, under the nutiietneent of deeds to be inflicted on 41w by tow Member of such society." Lord MILTON. Aid eh a Member of the Committee, he saw 110 aeOlfrequitin far the adoption of th.e menistire. Me. C..Wvistie had a confideatee. in the laielll and integrity of those who proposed the measure ; and in thet integrity he would eontide, considering it abeehttily necesqtry to admit the measure, to check the Hume of'diratlection betom. it Isurst ;into open rebellion. sirs. Roatitd.v• crruhl•nnt consider the House as justified in adopting the measure now propose) till the urea of the existent taws had been (*idly tried The Sotterrint GEN Ell 111. defended - the conduct of the Law ()threes of the Craws, and contended that the existing 1:IWS pot ill force as far as they beneficially could be. He was convinced there loot been, and stall was, a widely I:ate:deal romhinatiou existing iu this conotry, haring tar its object the overthrow of the emedinition; tool so convinced, be -aye the pre•ent measure' lass support. Lord A. Russets. strongly opposed the measure, which lie vonsi.leredias towelled for by any facts of which the house were in possession. Even supposing there had been danger, the plot was over, the whole had exploded, and danger no Linger etisted. Mr. CaUIITNNT %%opened the measure. Si F. Iluitoerr said,the grounds of the present measures as :a, undergt,o(ll finin the speech of the Learned Solicitor General, was fear of that S nenecan •i eta. Poor Mr. Spence, who lied been dead upwards of en yenta. never, detente hit life; thought ho should be a person of so much importance as he was now made, lo his oilmen, huwever, it vi as not from the ~pence system that we had to emit c a nd danger, but the E xp . we eee tem—a system which 31'11e:tees ileterniined never to ill tlon ; since when it nropieael only to gig rup to the cif of she People a Lord of the. Admiralty, the Noble Lord st elm... .1 torward, trying out, that tin the safety of the ewe at:tati a anal the country, they Isms: make a stand, and rells•e ike b: which the pcople Asked. The LrAlllell Solicitor le:ef a•VO talked of the French Revohition, te.e did not wish tdetand oh Ille•Prenen Revolution, hint on the litiglish conga. bottom Ile had also talked of the profaneness of Ihose tittles of rovolati an. Ile (Sir P.t had al.. ht aid of that priteine Sees j pint be could not but Illluk'irtunt beetrepralled by die THE NA' miserable farce played off Moor churches a few weeks since, where prayers had been °term.' up for the safety of the Prince Regent, against a pestilence walking abroad. lie knew of no peoilesiee caistiagi except that which was met at every corner ct . the street, 11l the shape of taxation. With respect to the proposed mention..., the Noble Lord might carry it --lie might erect a gallows in l'ahtt-eYard,or even in the Lobby of the House of Gnomons ; but lie could not entirely stop the mouths of the people, unless he could shut them all no in prison; and to do this lie most eruct new prisons in ever quarter. for those at present in existence were already filled by the distresses of the times.. Wtth remipeet to the lleport, although lie lia , l a great respect fur several of the Members who thrilled the Committee, he could not agree with th- us as to the danger which existed. The floss. Baronet denied that (Isere was any plot, exeept what Ministers had set on foot to alarm the country. With respect to the Seditious Bills cir culated, such as, " No Regent ! No Castlereagh !" It was like the scene in Richard, " Oil' with his head —so mull fur Buck inch:nor—A leutch.—lf the Bill went to Me Co ittee, lie should propose wine clauses which would protect mess from torture. . Lord CAgTLEIZEAGII contended, that the question lay in a very nit row compass. With all revved forthe Mot. Barmiest, his high birth, state, and talents. hr dial not thint, Ilk speeches were addressed to convince Parliament, but perious in ano ther place.--( 'ries cif no, no! Order, ord,r! Lord ST t' LEY tii*l.• to order, and IMP it to the House %Ou tlier any Member had the right of imputing, the speeches of any other Member to Lit•• covertly addressed , to persons old (Willie House, and therefore he tinedt appuat to the Chuir.— t Load and incraciont erica or hear, hear! Chair, chair !). The Si's: tit Eli--" I apprehend, all speeches delivered in this House, must be considered as addressed to the House— Ilear,7tenr. Lord Ctsgtetteantt maintained, that the lion. Baronet was pursuing a course which better soiled' ith his election eering views. --(Near, hear.)—The olds. Lord contended, that two Bills, wept to prevent the sodoction of the Soldiery and the Navy, all4l to protect the Sovereign, were not to he treated ludlcrowdy,- tN,t, n o.) Tim K o bl e L or a was convinced that a coomsititry ettistett to selivert thr.ao verumemt. He believed, that nut only un tlield Dec. bitten the tAttgof rerlaraary, they hoped to. carry into effect Omit plant, its concert with soeicties it) tilt) country. He wante„l to know whether blond should. flow haire any attempt should matte to stop 1111. march of /omit pemows. If Government was pot arinett with this:ma:mate, thehhinnso would place the country in tlie•usost , paillistic Mood, , anti disastrous state.— Ihnr, hear.) Mr. PoNsuanY riefendt'd'hi4 conduct as a MenTher of the Cominittoe, the Ittivort Lordtlioasomnigth supporta& titefliiii; and Lords STattaite and (s& 311110/111 °WM 4. it it. The Hoaseitten• divided on lite qhustion for the first v.ad- Mg, when there appeared' Ayes, 273; Nbes, 17$. The 8111 was-then rend-a first time; and•ottiered fora second- reading on Thursday: Artlioureaut at Three o'Ctook. TIHII:ADVIN P. 27. HARE:Ai: COR After flinch business of a multifai lona nature had b een di e , patched, an ,i man y petitions, eliietly for Reform and against the Sitspewsion Bin. ; before-thtellonse, had been received . — The Cnamednidant of the Emeat Vas: tat moved, that the Speaker leave! the Chair. Mr. (NEN found himself compelled to differ fiotn many of those alien& with whom lie had long cordially acted, and wi'lr whom he hoped still: to be oonneetail.—(lfenr, hear.) — His conviction might be erroneous; but he would say, it was honest, sincere, a n d mouseiehtiores. !le felt it his duty, there tore, to se pixel the Bill, as tending to secure the lieerties and proluote the interests of the eetnitry. Mr. Censers+ said, that not witlistaeiline the strong opinion declared by the House last night, it Was impossible for I • to forget what were the strotig fedings of those who opposed a similar measure above viU years it gOv lrowcverstrong his own opposition to the mensnre then was, in every- stage of it, that dexree of political animosity °mild:riot beluipposed to remain now in the sane extent. A:st the impressions of that time remained in liiin unimpaired; and he felt it his dusty to mark his opinion to the H arse and the country. Thera %eaa n' very great difference between the suite of the country and Unit state before. u hen patties tan so high, when.the country was under peculiar difficulties, and when pernicious opinions were said' to lie spreading - so widely. He had been closely engazed in all the- oppositions to- the measure at that time; and he saw no reason to regret it. Thera were cincolustanoes attending the present case of peculiar delicacy. A Right Hon. Gentleman (Mr. Ponsonby), who had been on the Cone miner, had dclisered a spei'rh last night which ought to en lear hint to the House, and to- this country by its sense and mil.liteSS. Butt lhattgli he Itlnt.Saitl, Illat.ltadJae barn in the Cabinet lie should have reco: tttttt milted a communication to Pm-humid, and some measure to be adopted; yet, in saying so, he by ne ineatia recommended this particular measnre of the seispetetiou of- the Hakes* Vorpus-tioe• Hrpnrticolkrly alluded to the specelt of the Lem-nett Lord Advocate of Snots laud. KAM, by oe a statement, had dearly shown, that by menus of the laws es they stood; lie had been• emehled torar reet a number of entemiratara neriogleaders of tileslisalfectedi He Rion:Ott that the Law ()dicers of. the Lrown had shown Ito grounds to entitle tiovermiteut to the aid of additional laws, since iu England they bail not yet tried the efficiency 1)f those which exist: hiP. for :,ue, would ant agree-to the sitSpeol.inte. lfe pointedly reform!! to the Year:l794 anti the proceedings Own ittlopteal tisecifeciirof swinish were to place, every neui who dared to-oppose the plots of Ministers in the dattgeroist Sitnatinn of a person suspected of hostility to the Government and constitution of the conntry..--(f/ear.\—He partisoilarly well remensliered ono instance of ailtundred gen tleman of respectability, in the' !kooky& Eagland, *llO met together on the 4th of Ntlecilitier to Mehl:4le the revelittion; a spy of Mr. Reeves's seas sent dews' there, mid every word that was uttered by the gentlemen preemie from- affection to the revolution which placid they presentitoyal Family upon the throne. was noticed: What then happilied? Why, that the spy reported to his emptily tar that there a as a great deal ut ilisatiection and treasutum. II e; es wrote to an 'Ayer who had been present, and wh..er proper and manly reply to Mr. Reeve' wits. that if any thing disloyal or distil fected bind occurred. he should nut have required Mr. Reeves's Moult .rs or advice to know what he might to do. Supposing a letter of this descriltion put into the green hive, totally Coll• tr.try to truth; full of !misrepresentations and for expressions used in warm affection ler that gt int event which clone gave to the reigning family their IRV to the throna of • those realms!—a title of witich he hoped and trnsted they would always remember the trite foundatimi . but tit' w hich. if they abandoned the principles, he sitiodil ;wee for them uuly the fate of these whom they . succeeded ! kkrue.) lle 1,, metatorred very web diet fur seine time Mr. Pitt would mot y.eld to the goadines of Mr. ; but was Unlined to think the lacunas contem i itiale ;hut then came the gi eat ob ject of patting stoop all hopes of reform in the representation, and this, more than any other object goverued the ineasire a of the Jay. Now a similar measure was.called tor to 11111%1 r a similar object, wind:, it warn 111011::itt, would by 1111 i lUl!:1114 be defeated ; but lie believed all honest own, front one end of the cosiiitry to the other, wished fir veto m ; mid they could not expect public security, or pithlic prime, without a change in the representation it that house. (Uwe.) Could test any 111411 reed the preamble of that bill, which iisclareil that the sale of scats in that house was ionorioue,iiiid as Mr. Speaker had justly and strongly expressed Itiniself,wenotin t ows as noon-day. Toe bill enacted nothing to defeat the great object. War not the country right„ Own, with the ritt thoritiee they had in favour of their upinioes, to say that there did exist an influence within those well* which colds& not unite the house and the people together 43 till'y 011411 t to be : it was imposible to have that union is such circumstances, He remembered, On a former occasioe, having mentioned that 20,0091. had been lei I out to timeliest. seats in that bonee ; lrn he was told lie was mistaken in that installer ill thessum ; for the amount was only 1114,5001. He admitted the curie-. ti if that was any greiltiration to the parties, and wae only lerry that so much money had been laid tint for such a pur e r . fee it was by fir too much. What was to Ise expected f um 4 Parliament under undue influence? What put :maid to ' expensive American wens'? Was it merely the wisdom, pa. triotisni, mill virtue of the house ? No, it Was the settee of the people. What ryas it that prevented a troidelesonie and culotte war with kiissia? W.ln it the Parliament snerels ? No, it was the strong expression of the people's feelings. What was it then thatcould alone explode curroption.and (hint:ly pl ACV , : 111111 peuslosis given, slot even fur service*, bat for worm than no services at ad? Es cry grant made for a ' , untie ser vice lie considered 44 slurred as private, property. lint, -bile lie readily admitted that, he did not conceive that the house wits p,e veined 40111 nil those oh ch-were ;nude he reward i directly MOIIIOIIS to the trate interest, Of the country. As tu the acts of had. meo ill the country, those mete were out the allies of sefortii...they we fv the promoters of the system of those who uppueestall reform. rfik. 1111,4 SlA pelli4l4l. of the Habeas Corpus Act was to get 31r. %Yin tint of the ditlienlties that attended him in the question of retie in. So now the object was, to make use of circumstances to astsi I reform, and seuction the is stabllstunent of an army too great for the country to hold or to pay ; and to uliml the nestiusi as to its real state. These plots and alarms were the only means he which to get the enormous e spencer of the country tolerated. It' Ministers, wereerealay .sseare die true situauoa of the country, he_ thought we shOuld. have examined carefully_ into 1171 r sthtror nit? cbtriiitts, ever - SP;issible re trenchment, have 'epped utiour etimeeees liy millious. When ever they come Cellist to geapple aids. tlw Chareellor of the Exch.:pie' , it would he seen, that we Shall ee 20 mil lions of expenditure, in varlet.' waye, above our resources. The 111111111CP•oi . the crown was to be met with wherever .hey turned, a n d ha almost every indonce ; and under the bur .ens and tillSeidties of the country it had hue eased tenfold. (hear). The indreiremnstanee heiMe. C.l ever regretted, respet.;ing the opposition .c.) the sitspeneion iu Mr. Pitt's time, was, tiest thy gave way a little too much to their na tire' ~..cliaigs in opposition to suet a meitetue, this Wets thi Base oevr teety toahrawonaty imentotiens upon eeee , le,nen, which ail ~.tisef luent circumstance. waived to be food unjust.- H. 0.. std vainly hope to me up ibis I ftir ta II re,. belt Ise would sal, eti dangers did esust, it was web raleidated to li:crease dist 41St and to banish . cutiti leave in the people.--4 be admitted. be necessmy, after all, to the Ministers, if y were , to proceed upon their eysteen,•if they hereto ;linkr their stand as it hail brew called,. ash to rrlime to knock off another uselees place, after themes-nig so malty brave min who had tit:win our wattles all over the worirl.—( Ileur.) —No doubt the dismissal of many of these brave men ails 1)441111a to Ministers themselves. but what might theee turn say? They might say, why not kep t or .iOO of them, rather than insist is keeping twomselees Lords of the Admiralty, whose ousi ness could nails/need by automatons?.—(!lour.)—lie had delayed the home tonere than he ought, hunt he is meal always, uninfluenced by party, speak oat his mind. No matt was ever mute sincerely attaelreol to the c matitsition tha t ; lie ; front this attachment lie oppeeed both the suspension of it, peoposed by Miuisters, end the changes that certain re forntei s who supported the doctrines of universal sinte i; s 3 and animal elernioss, were desirous of making on it. He opposed the latter, not because he suspect. d their honesty, but beesuew be doubted. their wisdom, lie vorobeteil tile denfand of - power advanced by Minis terr to presets flee public tranquility against their deaigus, because he .vas Coll- Nilteed that enett•ineaserros were not ueceeeary. He was r on viewed (lint this resallesuonlibbe, Out to ttiel public sero rite, but to prodnea. alarm. He would divide the /louse, niereiqre, on the measure nt every stage. Mr. LOCKII.4 UT flit, slut with to fellow the Hon. Gentle. man (Mr. Cairweii) into the details of his slicer!' : but he de clared that the atrocious projects disclosed in the report of the Secret Committee iii,lneed him most cordially to dive ha support to tint suspension bill stew before the House, which was the only means of preveutiug the reelizatiuu of these projehte. .51c. M %Alt YAT OppOtteqi the bill. The bill was cuinutitteil diet reported. The seditious meeting pre% claim' bill was or lered to be read it second time oil 31onilay. iljourned. NAL REGISTER. Fltlll%V, FIR. 2ti. Bills and petitions of dicer, kiods !gayly 1;.-en received and read, The CHAN:el:Lunt or tit. EV.C/FEQUER guo%el the third reading of the lla.)easCoutsll4 susponsion hill. Mr. Tar Lou opposed the measure in a very strong and energetic speech of great lego;dg, oontend flirt the ex isgi.v.4 laws wore amply adequate to prevent any seg ions mis chief to be apprg trended to the country from fictions ,edi tions tuen. Ile said every to to wai suppo.ed to lie cone:f olio:tied who doubted of the igg •;1.1111 - % of Cs iveritment, hit toe had, not withitanditie:, reflostql thou, a, lie ;gust,' 6c e,nr sht•old rein to lend his smit•tion to :IL. ripen' of on , act %vim+ was the hest lenwark of the constitur wir. over. thruwmu which uoy rtimly ne dr•prived upon whom they depended for support, without nny kno v . h•gltte of his offence, and %whom :.tny in;lsiniiity of re• 111,3. Mr, W. 0: 'IN and Mr. PIZOT1161:1JC supported the bill, on the ground of expediency. Mr. I.s..ert.t:To% opposed it at tt: eat trntll, and he yhotzld have been tii;i:teneil of kin. ..1( if he had not eNpresce,l itltoot . men' oil tliim in•eit iinportvat .keeamioli; lie should not h ave di m• few il.e t i v il o it i : : l l .b :i;rairst 44 act which l ie enthiti tba bn!zie, or to th e country, ere s d to he .0 niteonstitatioaal and unnecessary as was ever plopoze:1 uy :soy set of Ministets.