The National Register. — London, England, 1816-04-14 00:00:00

this 164 alrealy been bets.: th;• House ; a.t oC otamo toe, had !We:. tourie wt I e sitb ! ect. lic ;:. stilted. '1"• pert ^I . . hi sate bid heennpriied to the 1.1140 the statue. , a , .:1 p 1 tti*cs front France; for the ;tenon:tea of Cardinal and to other ei!t poses of the arts) . Mr. 11:n (.1.1.4 I:101 Nov r 4 for:to account of :tit ...mei of moor , lterottir doe or received Rain F ;:nee ; how t.i vite l idv.l to he doplied, since the I-4th ofJ tine ' 181 i, with the data; and amount of sums actually received. and hon opptied. oitoN Axel , . EsTim %Tr.*. The House then wens into a Committee of Supply, and the Ordnance Estimates were rel'erre•d to the Committee. Mr. R. WARD then proposed the Ordnanee Estimates for the service of the year. Tate Hon. Gent!, man erte rot into a com parative view of the Peace Est alilishionhfs of former peri o ds, a: contrasted with the one nose proposed. The Peace Establish ment of 17aa, Sec observed, was 1,119,31101. which included an onprovided debt a 8000001. There was now no dela, except elson; a 4,31,11. He then proceeded to state the Ordinary and EttrAurilinary items. lat the Ordinary there was a redaction of 17,0461. which chiefly arose flow the reduction of the military corer... - There macs likewise it redaction in the Civil Department, 5l tha War Silteltil , has ing liven reduced with the exception of some few accruing abroad. In N oolwich-yard similar atten tion had been paid to the settle of rednettnil in respect to lit holarers, artificers, clerks, .fee. lint the use,! important part of the diminution of calumee arose in the military branch. The' Hon. Gentleman here pus•cd an enloginni on the lliwee General wt' the Ordnance, nil the high state the artillery service had ar rive.' under his direction, au order to In iiciblUti to bring into the field a force of that description co 11111 l enstirate s o:a t h e amount which the enemy had constantly poured in, and s%laieh hail, in fact, changed the system of artillery throughout AM this branch a reduction hail been made in the proportion of oneataveittle part to the army of the line, the hers of the army being 111,1500, ai tille•I;y not more than 10,000. In this Amount, however, he did not include sappers and miners. The v.•hole reduction last ye-ar was 14,370, saner: which a further re. ibletion was made of 5000, making a total of about 18,000, which, added to thesubrequent deduction, would make thetotal 31,0ati. Within the last six weeks, three troops of horse artillery were reduced, as well as a considerable portion of the drivers corps. In fact, this latter part of the Artillery Establishment was as anomaly—the Captains had no comnrind in the field equal to their rank ; the youngest Lieutenant , if the Artillery would corn mind over a Captain of Drivers. It was proposed to allow the Ihiver Officers to retire on full pay, the troops twine , t a i lo re d from twelve to five. There were other reductions in this israiteli of the Ordinary Estimates, such as the Riding-house. Ac. w hi c h would be a saving of 37,0001. The Storekeepers' department would be reduced from 350 persous to 37. The Medical 1)1.- partment would be reduced from 102 to 61,- -The Cadets would be reduced by 12; but it was tiot intended to pat down the Ca det Academy. With respect to the Extraordinaries, there there wealth be a saving of 133,0931. more than the former year in point of Stores.- The Hon. Geatlemou stated,that during the last year great exertions had been made to obtain a proper and ample supply of Stores, at an expellee of 1,091,0001. This ex pence would he wholly saved, as ever• storehouse seas overflow ing. There would also be a saving in an item whirl, was an ob ject of great jealousy, lie meant the works in Great Britain, Ireland, and th,• adjoining islands; the Military New Works would be 33,0011—the repairs 56,0001.; the Civil Buildings would be 20,0901.—the repairs 1513,0001. The total diminution in the expence of the works at Chatham,Vortsmouth, Plymouth, Gosport, tee. would amount to 199,0301. The 111 igade would experietice a reduction in pieces of from six to four in Great Britain. The Barrack Stations would be reduced, as would also the Staff Department, The Han. Gentleman here noticed the appointment of Generals Mann and Macleod—the latter, Adjutant-General of Artillery—the former, Inspector-General of Fortifications, who took a salary of 1,5001. a-year, instead of 3,0001. General Macleod'* would be 1,0,101. The expeuce in the reduction of the small arms would be about 10111,0001. An arrangement, he observed, had been made with the manufacto ries for a supply for three years,it being agreed that each party should give the other six month's notice of closing the contract. He should have to ask for 100.0001. for this simply, and 'mat year 30,0001. The lion. Geutlemait then stated his readiness to give every explanation, and concluded with moving the grunt of a sum of 059,2201. 7s. 10.1. for the Office of Ordnance Land Service for Great Flritain. Mr. CATER err rem irked at considerable length on the dif ferent items of the estimates, and did yet think a sufficient re- Auction had taken place. Mr. R. %VAR], replied to Mr. Calcraft. The first Resolution was then agreed to, as were the follow ing sums, viz. X 67,95 Ordnance Espenees not made good. 185.837 Ordnance of Ireland. 92,884 Ordnance xpenees of Ireland not made good lap Parlia ment. 138,232 Pensions to Officers of Ordnance. goo.ooo Ezpence of reducing the Ordnance-Office. 11,376 Retired Officers of the Ordnance in Ireland. 2,993 Superannuated Persons in the Iri,h Onlnance Office. 11,411 Allowances to Superannuated (Micah of the Ordnance Office of Grist Britain. 106,033 Ordnance Service in France. 432.336 Ordnance of Army in Great Witatin. 1111T.VASSITTART in a Committee moved 64 leave to bring in a Rill to continne the Bank Restriction Act for two vtars, Agreed to.—Adjourned at one o'clock. TL.EIDAY, APRIL 9. Petitions from 13 parishes in Devonshire, praying a Commit ballast of tytlies; and from the taunt rs in various district., pray ing s repeal of the leather-tax were presented. Mr. Serjeant Onslow brought in a Bill to amend the .4etv of William and Mary, and Anne, for the relief of Creditors against fraudulent Deviseta; whirl, was rend a first time, and ordered for a second re tdin4 on the :.26th The Bank Restriction, the Matt butt Allowance, and the Scotch Couinik4onco. of Excise indemnity Bilk, were brought in, anti toad a first tue, THE PRINCEI3 CHARLOTTE'S ESTABLISHMENT. On the yucsti•ut of going into n CottEnittee at the Princess Charlotte. of Wales's Evablishinent Hill. Mr. BROOKE COllCe:% ell thZt NO11111• itiniate of the expellees , of the outfit was nee, s.ary. It would reconeeted, that lonic years since a sii:n was :•et :wait for the I , ..stablisliment of other brasedies of Itoyal Family, which within the first year was not Lund clifficient, and the pers , nis thus pi ovideJ or got into debt. He wished, therefol e, ti• itard 14;:a ust sir 11 a recurrence, by providing:4 sum sufficient tor the maintenance of her Royal Highness. Mr. Lt.:HIM:TON stated the eirearnstonee, conoceted with the Civil List and Cons()h&c . . d Fond. Then was a gi.int 6,5001, to toe Princess Charlotte. The otlici stun wait repaid b y her Royal Ilithretot, viz. 27,:wci. Sir R. Helios tboaKhr the son' i doito.ed was quite auffici• F r i t lie hoped Ircr Royal FliOncvs would not re.iiiire any fur ther provision. The Royal Fatuity laid been laterally rot ided 'TM; NkTIONAL FiEGIgTER, fur; and fos ..... ie wonla 1.44 4 . 41,e a vote flog the payment or the Ifietotezketis -‘lliiristor oi Pewee a;.e , • c:. dead. !I( the toinwitt , .e, Mr 1111401:6/1(31 in.krdWitat the annuity Witinit) he, an.l was a emceed 00.0a01. 'rise Hon. (lenttema n wished to kteau iu tt hat form No , NlO:ait'i to 1w Ililitt. At this time there so as a sum of Ft1,00!lot. paid ens of fLe Civil List for her lte:, I ll , glitic , s. Now it was a glue , whether there was to he lidded by a side wind to the Civil List ail addition Of ;0,1)034 i t . tt nir, it. the smile time give tar, Royal Persons 19,000). He complained of this mi n t of ilisithoorging ar rears by hardening the Civil List. He sr! lied not ta throw any impediment lii the way of the settlemirit on say occasion so auspicious to the ennistry. It now clearly appeared, that this was an addition of 30,0001. Mr. I %iIiNGTON said, the 30,0001. would ce,oe when this establishment was voted ; so that, iu fact, there %%mild he no more chinas on the Civil List in respect 1., her Royal !Ugliness. Mr. Haar - Go:an euntended, that all l'arliammit inieuiled to grant was 011,0001. for the Establishment of the Princess Char ' l o tte and Prince Ilds.opoill. Mr. LUSIIINGTOIN observed, that the ',resent establishment might be voted—the 30,11041. might he e::-rinsed 0:1 a future day, when the Civil List Am:omits were betbre the House.-- k lime, hear.) :%Ir. is:oil - F . :stir explained, that the charge en the Civil Li st was 30.0001. a Net/ mi dumb would affect it to that aMOUIII,, This charge made no part of the Estierates, though paid out of the Civil List. Theie would be stiviug of 70001. a s ear on the charge. Mr. Ti s.uNI'V observed, that it had been derided, in addi tion to the ti, 14101. to charge the Lord Steward's department 1.5.0001. a year, and the other department 10.0091. The great objection to this vote was the manner of doing it. When it Ones! got on the ('oosaolidated I'llll.l. Ihrre WAS lin Slid, tii;litt as getting it off. It was lilt PO in goad old (illll`4. There was no security. by agreeing to the present vote, fir the Civil List beaus; relieved from the eliary in future. When so large a sum as 60,0001. tees asked for, lie thought her Royal Highness Was to be placed in a Atate becoming her rack a nd dignity ; • 'but here she was only to have a private establishment, like a private gimilewoman ; in that ease, 69,0001. was too meek ; it was a !Manierel waste of the public money. She was to live is a house where it was impossible to spend it —(llan', hear) - either in town or in the house belonging to a Baronet iu the country. %Vas it intended that her Royal Highness was to holt! Drawing-rooins atter her marriage, \V mild the Noble Lord answer that oilies , ion ?--t Lord Castlereagh here said, " trill else nit itli:OVer to that (IlleStiOn.") Won, then, if the No ble Loroi trill not answer toy question, I will nut give him the money - ,—(.1 Lord CASTI.EIi FAUTT observed, that the Right Hon. Gent. put questions mid answered them This was a very amus ing dramatic moide, but lie begged (ease not to art a part in such a conicity. In respect to the Establishment, lie As 011111 state that it was to be 60,0001. inanity, and the inlet .t ional 50,0001. for outfit, and as to tle• residence ' it' Ps I Hameln wished to pro vide any thing on that g I, her Royal Highness wished it might be done for a country residence, rather than fora town residence. Mr. TIER soy denied that lie was actioe any other part, than for the benefit of the conntry and in mikon is rah tit reeling S— . new., hear. )— The question was a eloper one, and required an answer; lie might represent his conduct in ally other quar ter as he disuse; but he would say, while there were so unary palaces, he would not tote ;toy money for a country residence. He wished to know, as their Rural Highnesses preferred a country residence in private, why Crombourn Lodge would not do. Notwithstanding all the increased expellees, we had no spew for our moues - . Mr. flitouonam maintained, that if her Royal Highness was to live in privacy, then the sum how demanded was by far too much. Ile mast again repeat his satisfaction that a matrimo nial engagement had taken place ; but lie was bound not to vote the country's money without seeing that it was properly soled. As to the Noble Lord's ignorance of her Royal Highness's in tentions, It was evident that if she held aCinirt (awl hold a Court she ought), it could not be held at Camelford House. With re spect to this private Establishment, it had cost the country 37,0001. a-year ;to add 23,01001. and it i n to a Royal Esta blishment, Wits a gross miscalculation-4s ice 3(1,0001. would not do. He shonlil, therefore, move (in toiler to olotain better infor mation) that-the Chairman should report progress and ask leave to sit again. Mr. METHI7N wished to know from Ministers, when the 00,0001. was paid annually, whether the charge on the Civil List was to be cleared off. • At the same time he wished it to be put to the good sense of their Royal Highnesses to bring their Es tablishment within the sum now demanded. _ lord C.% TLEREAGH Said, that he had distinctly stated that this stun wits the only one the illustrious parties would have for their own maintenance. I. C. it Nast contended, that this House were bound to enquire into the expenditure of the sum now proposed to be voted ; nor had it been dearly stated bow the grant was to be taken. He had heard that the ladies in attendance upon her Ito.val Highness had not been paid; but he cold(' not believe such a report, atler the Noble Lord had stated the contrary. Mr. VANSEITAHT entered into au explanation of the disburse ments of the Civil list. The only tick% ing was leaving a deficiency of ilti,oool. unprovided for. The question for reporting progress was put and negatived without a division and the blank was tilled up with the words, " Sixty Thousand."—The report was then received. ST ITE OF AGRICULTURE. Mr. Weslimn, adverting to the this ness of the House ' pro posed, oti so important a subject as the distresses of the At ri cultural Interest, that the Committee should be put otr. He should throw himself upon the House to say, w hellier he should now proceed, or postpone the enquiry to another day, or sourer the Commit tee now to expire entirely. Lord C V•TI.PR I: AI;H suggested the propriety of adjourning the Committee till after the holidays. Mr. J. P. ( RANT, Sir J. l EW l'OliTontl Mr. Bums o approved of this suggestion. Mr. Cron DON wished that the House should immediately go into the subject ; he wished toast( the Chancellor of the Excite spier, whether it was intended to extend the time allowed for paying the hall-year's Income-tax due 1011 the Jet, of this inortli beyond June next ; and w 114.11111* :illy allowance in the landlord's and tenant's tax was to be made, where reductions had taken lilac! , in rents for the last six months ? . . . Mr. VA NAITTAItT, in reply, hopt d, at an early day, to bring in a Bill, containing regulations on this sohject ; at present, he could not accurately state what these regulations would he, nit the allot auc , .. of time would n'tni a pal t ; MI respect to the other hrauel , ...!s of the Gentleman's questi,,o, the Hon. Gentle -111:10 was aware that au order had liven is , tted for hotting aI IOWIWCC to landlords and tenants, :a cases When! ;he et ilt had been reduced for the period of twelve months . whether that meaqtre would he extended to (Alit'. Of redtreticm of six months standing, he con:d not say. ,Atter some ether rctuar!,s the Howe went into a Cotantittee. APRIL 1 t Mr. Butt I.IIA M cute,'.l at et .:• li•ngib into a review ot; tote Mibioot of the Cillll4ll or the rise of prier n non agriruh oral produce, and the recent depression of salt. and consequent dis. tress of the agriculturist a and observed, the.t tilt lint great alai material cause of the Ilse in price was tile r....trictioll of eisli payments by the Hanes id' England, the Memo .e ofeountry an d t h e u nrestr i c t e d ;....tte of pai.er. lie /lid not mean to say that this tt as is Ilitoriew 11111.111: 0111110; uuutraty , top. Sitleving the stoppat.e of the national bset,, Ism' the o,tle Ot . Colllllry paper 1110'11 11111 C gradual, 11114 toad its (I/111111.1"I• in been also more gra.lual, it is mild iu fa.l have hem' an ads ;midge, a s it encouraged unit gas.. aitpurtonitc tisr ibe COlthittilla of ware land ; but the rapid railing in of tin , : pion r had certainty been one creat ea es.- ef the existing di.oresses of the agriculturist. Anotlesr sous of the lactase of price %sus the war, wbielt, though it did not bring in more mouths, brought is ituavoidably a system of great.•r emoremption; and the purchase,. made by. Gas erimo it the mark rt, had a direct tendency to raise Ili.. valite of the commodity 1.1 whine they were Ore amrehasers ; and the stimulus flue. giV1•11 to the growers of cows bad I . IICO/11a2T41 inclosurer, sthielt had taken plure within the last ten years te. the amount of it... of acres: and had also eatmaraged the fainter to etel:ai k inure capital, and to raise a still greatf.r tinatitity of corn thou at any former period, on the lands pi e. vimisly in a cultivated state, Tht se eiremnstances, according to the (mit:Mations of versous who 1 4 ;41 tuna d their attention tit this subjeet, had given an increase of six nidlioes of quarters of Wheat am... illy, while the population, in the same pt rind, had increased only two millions. '1 hits alk.o iog a quarter ef coi n for the consumption of each person, dull. ..Vould be a surplus of four millions ef quarters. bitch was the situation of things up to i sin ; %slum billriwell Oho chain of circuits...tatters which had tended peculiarly to depress the prices. The two next years, II and 12. were years , if extraordinary produce ; these seats were followed in Ihi 3 ;sod I.:14 by a change I+..m war to pease. which had a most : evident t feet upon the pi ice of grain. Ti these fatus lie %mild add another, viz. tit it ..• Gov et 'intent .;:o ing into rho market as purchasers had tended to t nhatice the prices, so it aught to he rect.:leered, that Government with drawing itsclt from the market hail the eoetrary of let. Ad.! to there the distresses of the matinfitetureis, .1101 the opening of the ports of this country to tile Continent, and the principal reasons of the .eduetion of prices would b' apparent. One great cause //f these evils was the i .111411111:4- /11119111 It of the C%- peneliture of the country front what it was 23 seats ago, lima 15 to 7.1 midite.s. Indeed, one sear, including loans, the ex penditure was not less than I‘4o isillions, No t Actual trine. dies could he applied to these et as, unless there wits a redur tion in the public taxation. 'the toes on leather, salt, soap, and candles, proMicieg only about millions a-year. hot very leasy on the 1: olver ; for they a vre taxes, %stitch being ;11;1(.411 on t he nece:sinies of lil., word e.;lectly to raise the peke of labonr. Even should the Alan Tax be taken off, still, while the others were start red to settutin, it would he impossible to return to the former prices of torn with any prospect Of advan tage to the farmer. He instanced the extreme 11111 . 41/(11CISS of ratio); manufacturers only as th 2 occupiers of large houses to the poor rotes, mobile the farmer was rated as to the absolute amount of his property ; the fortacr hying themselves the great Cause of the notease of the number of poor. He trnsteal, how. ever, that the 1 . 01111 C: was gradually undergoing a change from high to moderato prices—or at least he hoped the Legislature would endeavour to make it so. Lord CssreruEssin could not agree in opinion with tke last speaker, that the evils complained of resulted principally from the restriction ideas', payments by the Bank. That measure hail given the century a command of specie, and mainly tended to bring lis out of the war wills glory and advantage. That it might have encouraged improvident speculation, he was not prepares' to deny ; but it was one of the greatest 111111 l utuents that could have been erected to the public credit of the country, which had not only borne this measure long, but had increased under it. He was glad to hear ihe Hoe. Gentleman (Mr. Brougham) say that, in his opinion, the agricultural distress would be but temporary. But it cupid not he concealed that they had been increasing ever since Isl 4, when the ports of the Continent were opened to the British Merchant. for the im portation of foreign Corn into this country, trea rats• so low as menaced the very existence of the British Farmer. Now that we had a protecting price to defend our own Corn from being obliged to compete with that of other countries, lie trusted the prices would rise, so as to give the farmer sufficient remunera tion for his laboar and expences. He did not state these things to induce the Committee to reject the adoptioisal any measures which might still farther fetid to the relief of the farmer.-131st he wished the Committee to look at these ei rcumstances with attention, and consider also, that as Wheat had already risen ist price in Scotland. whether it was likely to be long 565. in Eng land. He hoped Parliament would not think proper to call en the Bank for cash payments until commerce should has c brought into the country a quantity of ti c • precious metals sufficient to aid the savings in the Bank ratferd. He also trusted the House would not attempt to trench on the Snaking Fund, at a time when, the House having rejected the Income-Tax, (Myer 1111 l vitt must be reduced to the necessity of resorting to new loans to a small extent. There was already a very• large trade between country and South America. Mr. WESTEItN contended, that there was nothing so danger ous, as providing for a fluctuating price of Corn. The ware homing system would have that operation, by permitliug the warehousing duty free. The object which he had in view was, employing capital in the purchase of British Curti for ilistribit tinn throughout the empire. But if the system of w aretemsing Foreign Coro was adopted, it would Las 0 the elect uf discou raging the Agriculture greatly in ON country. The Cisa; •.ilall then reported progress; and it. was ordered thai: the I lizese du resolve itself into a Committee ell the state of Agrieultut c, on Monday I,lth inst.—Adjourned at past O' E. WEDNESDAY, APRIL 10. Petitions were pt.sented from Neweastic-under Wet sham, Halifax, tad Denhl 1., against the Leather•tax. line from 1V esinotith, alainst the Insolvent Debtors' .let; at d also tolle agniust Mt.! Weymouth Harbour lit Otte from Marl borough, praying relief few:. the Agt•chltural !merest, and a Revisizat of the Tythe Sy , .. . On, Irani the Oardenets fu the neivithourlioad of Newt :.1.• ^ l'ainst an attentpt on the pat t of the Rretor to raise their T , :tites; and set real anni!ar 011( . 8 from other piaci s, whit+ e Nid on the table. Si.. S. Romilly presented Petifmus from certain Debtors cun t...nett in the Fleet P i.en , the Gauls n. Durham, Exeter and Bristol, przry lug that tilt. Bii! for repealing the preset,: vent Debtoes' Art might not pass ,nto a law. Mr. Tiernt•s , in the absence lA* Lord Althorr, postponed the motion on the subject of the 3(1 ut May. Ort the motion of Mr. W. Smith, an tte..ottat ~1 the Fees and Profits upon Extents issued from the I.xchetiocr, was (ordered to be laid before the .14,1i3e. CIVIL LIST ACCOUNTS.. Mr. TIERNEY laid, lie had now In ran the n*frntion of the I loom , lo a niutioo of his, for the protlu::io•l +f (1. tain 1-ti.uates 'dative to the exia.utLture of the Ctul List iu the'Lord Chant.