The National Register. — London, England, 1823-05-05 00:00:00

_ itheitilvd. *aisles soul he believed that could who Imes the 411114.-gliefi.) For his part, he rejoimed :4h after having used all his endeavours for 40 years for the establish meet of peace, he itow saw ministers irsAute is maintaining it. No 'hold& aot set either honestly or sossisteotly If he did net approve of vie line of conduct they bad chosen en the occasion., asst hewing that opinion, he should support them with his cos wo j es si ous vole.- -( Cheers from the usitisterial side.) Mr. ROBERESON declared, thet the minatry, could not be generally sheeted by war, although here tad there theativeai• ewes might be felt, and as Ragland knew she had so Maid het Spain on the continent, the necessary soppett would sot have been withheld upon this occasions Mr. WILLIAMS said, that after all that herd keen meld upon this question, epee both aides of the Hesse, there was hat one eonsentient feeling, as to the enterprise of the Preach against the Spanish nation. Every man bad spoken in a tete befitting the House ofGemtatuts. The violence and proligacy of the French Government having bees admitted upon ail heads, the conelusion must be, that a Amager tone of remoostramse in at tacking sack flagrant atrocity might have been expected. The quests . ** was pow, he believed, whether the feverish quiet, whit's Ras called trangeillity s wee worth half a year's pin:lase err sets The lion. gentleman then began to refer to the doer meets before the Hesse, to prove that the whole plea of the uegociation was mistaken, and was jest the Colin* that was most likely to fail where such a mai as the King of France was party. The CHANCELLOR *IA* EXCHEQUER, is an eloquent speech defended the polities and justified the coolant adopted by the late Lord Londonderry. The right hon. gentleman also entered into an able defence of the late &rift:jabot's, sad gave laid support to the amendment. Sir J. MACINTOSH Wok a review of the whole course of the aegociatioos in all their bearings. Notwithethedieg the able and eloquent speech which the House had just heard, he . Most declare that be was aot satisfied either with the toaditet efthe right hon. secretary for foreign 'Fain, or the defame* which had been made tor him. After taking a full review of the whole segoeiatione, re coadasesid them as destreetive slikeof the honour of this country sad thelibeirties of Europe. Mr. PEEL, defended the *Gambia adopted by the Govere ming of this imontcy. He oonteaded that neither ear bosom nor oar interest required that we should go to wet ; that France did sot ask it s that Spain did sot require it, sad, above all, that this country did not call for war. Ile coatended s that the toodaet Wetted by his right ham. friend on this oecaslois bad gained bira that hest reward, the approval of his own oceseiesisea sad that of his country. Sir F. BURDEIT supported the motion for censure. At half past one, there being • general cry for adjournment, the debate was again adjourned till to-morrow. WEDNESDAY, APRIL ie. Lord CRANBOURNE moved that • copy of the report of the committee on the game laws be sent to the House of Lords. —Ordered. Mr. S. RICE (for the lion. member for Westminster, Sir F. Bartlett) moved that there be laid before the Hoese a list of the gt'ild of inereltants of Dublin ; loopy of the Lord Mayor's proclamation respecting the stelae of King William, and that the town clerk of Dublia do attend the House os Friday autii b la with the said docoments.--Ordered, Mr. G. id fNN ET -- for leave to introdeee • bill 16 abo- . applied nob the pesiehusent of whipping. He complained that this punishment was neither exemplary nor reformatory •, it produced no good ;it only degraded and brutalised. He did not possess the roamed.; notion that no punishment was necessary ;—but the means were in existence to punish in a way that would lie useful—hard labour. Ile had been unable to find any instance where whipping had been useful ; it was the last remains of the erroneous system of our ancestors, and be trusted tbet they should get rid of such blot. According to returns, 6000 per eons bad been flogged within the last six years ; but be hoped that such a disgraceful and degrading mode of punishment might be abolished. lie concluded with moving for leave to bring in the bill. Mr. CURW EN seconded She motion. Ald. C. SMITH considered that the punishment of whipping was not altogether so useless as had been imagined ; be had known prisoners who would rather endure twelve months' Sas prisonment than he exposed to the punishment of whipping. The ATTORNEY GENERAL could not agree to this sweeping abolition of the punishment of whipping altogether if it were found objectionable in particular cases, they might be urged, instead of proposing the total abolition. Mr. nostiousg said, teat pm idling with whipping for disobedience to jail regulations was illegal. Where inflicted, it ought to result from the sentence era Qoart. lie was against tie mode of punishment, as being altogether of a most degrading tendency ; but decidedly that it ought to be regulated. Mr. N. CALVERT did not deny that such punishment re quired modification, but he believed that the whipping of a plough boy had somehimes saved him from the follow*. Sir R. HERON observed. that the punishment art whipping degraded the character, and maintained that it was eat requisite. -Ale was an active magistrate in his own comity, and he bad Dever known but one instance where Bogging was inflicted. Mr. PEEL was against the motion. He thought the total abolition of the punishment of whipping would he attended with dangerous cousequences. Dr. LUSH IN GTON supported the motion. Ile thought that the punishment of flogging confirmed prisoners iu hardened habits, rather than reformed them. He was disposed to be lieve further, that the whipping in public schools was tithed to an extent highly mischievous. Public whipping SW dis gusting and repulsive to t e feelings of time people ; and if whipping were allowed within prison walls. where was the gua rantee that it would not be harshly administered' After some observations (fora Mr. H. Guroey, Mr. Alderman Thompson, &n. Mr. G. BENNET replied, lie was not surprised that be was met by Attorneys-General and Secretaries of State, for such persons :ad ever opposed the efforts to ameliorate the atrocious criminal code. lie stood up fur the people of England against the magi trate Baggers ; he was against subjecting the people of Etigiand to torture ; and be knew, and they knew too, that they could ow longer flog in public. To attempt it soldiers would be required ; for the people of England would not suffer them to whip a dog as magistrate loggers desired to punish prisoners. Rut such was their desire for flogging, they would slot allow him to bring io the hill for the consideration of the 'House and the country. lie was sure, though he might fail wows that it would not be long before his bill triumphed, though wiembers at this time of day had the face to stand up and de feed logging. Stranger," wore then ordered to withdraw for ad' • 'on. The numbers wee ,—for the motion 37—against it 70—majority 33. Rua LL.—The report of the committee on the interme diate duty on beer bill WOW postponed to Monday next. Mr. nERRIEs presented the committee's report of Irish miscellaneous estimates. AUJOI'MNI,D esTe.—Mr. WYNN mos eat the resumption of the adjourned debate. THE NATIONAL REGISTER Mr. W. WYNN then proceeded to defend the conduct of ministers, is the whole coarse of the oegociations. It had,' be said, been asserted that by adopting it• more dignified system' Ragland would have everted the war from Speio ; but he was ready to maintain that span every occasion it was stated to France that interfereme with the internal affairs of the Spanish Cation could net be justified. Ho most heartily concurred in the cease's* expreased by the gentlemen en the opposite side se/wallas by ministers on the cueduct of France. He was ready to admit that the ioverion of Spain by Franco was such provemetioa os would jestify Regimd in going to war with the lathes mantry, provided that war could he proved to be serviceable to the interests of England ; but hosneed leave it to the emeasan moss of all who board him to decide trim the fiteess dstsoh alternative, under existing circumstances. The right loom gent. then adverted to the words " accursed manner- Mical principle;' which bad eseaped au honourable gentleman (Hobbes's) io the menus of the debate. It was, he said, Noah to be regrettod, that one of the most admirable principles of the British Constitution should have fallen ander the me demuation of any member of that Home. Mr. HOSHOUSB said he Mid nut used the words as they had been expounded by the tyrants of Europe.—(Hear.) Mr. W. W YNN Rproseeded. Ile really tboe,;ht the hoe.. seeders* had gone farther Violent language, however, had' bees mod, and imitated, coats not be supposed to be calcite toted to procure peace% Mr. LEYSTSR strongly objeeted to the whole otindoot of the gimenuiveat of France, woo bad actually mookot at the denim/diem and aathority of this country. The Medea MA boldly mid moldy proclaimed the infamy and atrocity of mob aoudad, altheegh in mother place it had bees defoadmis cod ere* attempted'to le justified. Of the noble perms who bad dots stood u,v in the face of the nation to justify the meet re 'Mein principles, be most say, io the Imegaage of the poet— ' Who would not laugh that oath a num eoet4 bet trlia world nut weep that the greet Dale was bet '(-.4A Nigh.) Did wet a deem* of each oppressive practices argue the want of mosmee sense sad common haniseity? With respect to the negociations upon the part of thicoesiosy, he considered them as nothing more or less thins •-infperduity of oomploisairoe, proceeding from a laudable intention of preventing bossilitiem bet actually calculated to redace them.—(Hear, Mae I ) Mr. W. WILLIAMS declared. that be could nit saesed edriously vote on either side. These was a enure* which, in his opinion the House ought to adopt on so -important as occasion. All party feeling ought to *ease, and Parliament should speak to Prance Ike strong language of remonstrance. France ha acteowledged principles which might be con sidered last mum of wee, if war could be thought justifiable at all in the present teondition of things. It might net then be diMoult to reconcile the Home. They might join in an address, establishing a prietiple which might tend to restore peace to Europe, by solemnly disapproving of the encroachments upon the Spent d& nation.--(llear, bear.) Lod PALMERSTON, in defending the eenduct of minis ters, said, that to menace and not to perform, would he the 'conduct of a coward and a bully. All that could be dime had been done to prevail upon trance to change her fatal resolu tion. These gentlemen who opposed the negotiations had agreed in describing the Sings sod Ministers of the contioeto tal nations as wholly destitute of principle, and profligate in the extreme. How then violet they think of remonstradug with persons of such character—with those who were so ready to trample upon r'l that should operate as • bond between ince ? ' Sir T. BLASE strongly censured the line of polity adopted towards Spain. If he were e Spaniard, he should despise all usatrality ; he should say / he whet is not for es is again, tea: • 'Mr. CANNING in a speech, the delivery of which a-copied steady two hours, defended and justified the line - of conduct adopted by Miui Mr. lIROUGHANI, at nearly equal length, expressed hie execrations of the French aggression, arid urged that stronger language eb- old have bees'esed by ear government in protest ing against it. To abreviate these speeches so us to retain the spirit of those is not possible—to ebreviate them without rebutting the spirit would be worse thau useless, Mr. MACDONALD, in reply, said he was ready to yield to the suggestion of his hon. and learned friend, and to agree that the amendment should stand in the form of en address, in the place' of 'the original motion. (Cries of " No, so; divide, &side." Mi. CANNING—" After baring suffered for three long sights, the constant, anremitting, unsparing, lectures of gerMe men opposite, for a too ready concession to the viewsef foreign Powers, it is now incumbent open as to say, that we have to profit by the lesson of everience which these gentlemen have tilted as, io return for our former alleged facility of concesajon, mad to declineassenting to the proposal fur withdrawing the original motion. lam ready to admit with the hue. gentlemen opposite, that their elution is wow waliareffirtile, and I am as satisfied with the amendment of which they partially complain'. I repeat, however, that I cannot concur in the suggestion of withdrawing the original motion." (Loud cheers how the mi nisterial beeches.) The gallery was Mien clesrcd for a division, amid a great noise, red cries of " Divide, divide." After strangers' were excluded, the opposition, who bed de termined ant to divide, in order that there might go forth to the world an 11111111illIOUS expression of ahhorrenc. of the con dectef ilrance, rose in a body to leave the house. Some mi nisterial members below the bar, however, called for ad' • 'on, is consequence of which the doors were closed,. and the Oppo. I aim wet e compelled to remain in the house. This event was hailed by the ministerial Members with loud and repeated sheers. The srealla:e then pet the question on the original motion, which was carried in the negative. He nest put the question oo the amendment—die ministerial members cried " Aye :" the Opposition reinsined *dint. '!'he SPEAlitit de clued that the queetion was carried in the sail/native. Some members on the Trersory bench, anaMas that a division should take piece, called cut that the " Noes" had the majority. The SPitaSsit was then compelled to divide : he ordered those who Intended to vote fur the amendment to go into the lobby, and those who meant to vote against it to remain in the house. The Opposition proceeded into the lobby, together with the inibia• kraal voters ; but a few members on both sides wet shut in tbe home in pinsegnenee of the lobby bcing.too SMUII to con lids die united numbers. This caused an append/ice of a die i sloe, when in fact there was none. The numbers were announced to lie as follows—For the amendment, 372—against it 20—siajority 352. Upon the motion of Mr. Peet, the house at five o'clock ad journed to Friday. FRIDAY, MAY 2. Mr. Qusrme, the Yeoman Usher of the Black Roil, -sum moned the House to attend in the House of Peers to hear tb, Royal Assent given, by Commission, to sundry bills. [See Lords.] The Dublin Cas Light Bill was read a second time. Lord AL IMORP presented the Report of the Bedford and Newport Psgnell Roads Dill, I3~` . . Mr. CARTWRIGHT moved as steadiest respecting the distance of a turnpike. proposing that it should he at least two" miles from a gin* spot. The house divided on the aniendment.—Ayes 43—Noes 111. Mr. BRIGHT wished to ask the Solicitor-General if he was likely to brim; forward Ms cootetoplamd bill to amend the la solvent Debtors' Laws I The SOLICITOR-GENERAL replied. that be bad vomited several depatatioai to consult him on the subject ; that he bad taken the mailer into comideration ; sod that in the cootie of *few days he hoped ho should have the opportunity of Sting ing i. a bill o the subject. ,AVMs Pt g CoUltT REGIS ESTs;--- lir. C. CALVERT moved the wowed reeding of the bill. Sir J. YORKE sew so use in this bill. He could not dia• rover that amendment was wanted. A debt might be re covered forts. ltd.; any debt of which the Court bad cog. Mance, might be recovered at as espenee mot eseeediag Yi per lieut. Ile concluded with moving as an amendment, th-t It be read a second lien this day sin months. Mr. DENISON supported the bill. It ought In he allowed be go to a.Consioittee ; these were grievances that knoired cor neae°, and the fees ought to be revised. Some oliiees were mere sinecures. Mr. C. CALVERT also supported the dill. Ir. w i t, Bailie a most respectable man, kw Megan, CA einbiwg to do with • the Corm bat to receive his loudest; allettessass t sad let it be roc .•lected the, sock welts were draws far doing nothing. where at the Southwark Ceert of Requests, the applicant party had .0 pay Is. ltd. ; in the Tewer Handets Ike fee was only ltd. Tb• bill ought to be allowed to go to a Committee. ,Sir,J. GRAHAM spoke of the respectability of the several allesiniestd declared that they had vested Weenie is their isliees--eiot reared interests derived from beans, bat founded Si the faith of to tot of Parliament. Mr. LAM BTON said, that the existing Cean was pledge ilve of much injury. The °Seers might lutes vested interests, bat there was another party who hod a snug henna, tamely. the pahlie, that justice should be admielitgeedle • Mr. 11. SUMNER had liaised that Si bill oreald have ben withdraw. for the peters , ' Senn. • Mr. G. BENNET supported the bilk The Ism men MM. for retoveriag as net ammuitieg i s Mena ; mad there were gentlemen who could stand op is that Aeon mid resit the correction of such abuses. The bill CUM resist the esietione of the law. The gallery was cleared fter a divides. The 'embers were .—Ayes 114, Noes 2. Majority in favour of the second read lag 112. Mr. BYNG presented a rditicia frees St. Mary's Islington. against the London Sewers bill.—Ordered to lie on the table. Mr. CALCILAVT oensplained that his notice for the repeal of the Leather Tax had been in his Munn fixed for lia,y 9, on as order day, whereby the impresain woad be created that be Wad little about the fate of the motion. The twittery was site feet ; and as it had been so filled. be frosted that the Chan- Seller of the Exchequer would in courtesy allow bra motion to take precedence of the public orders ea the 9th ADDRESs TO rats tdridelerv.—tlr. CANNING appeared at the bar, with his Majesty's answer to the Address of the Henn respecting the recent negotiation with France, &o. ' • his Ma jesty thanking bin Wilda Commons for their loyal and dutiful address. Mr. RUMBOLD presented a petition from Great Yarmouth. against the ountinarice of the oral duties.—Orderml to be gcloted. Mn SCARLETT gave wedge that, cm Tuesday seal, be shook bring forward a motion relative to the Creamy Palatine of Lancaster. Down Tati.Ls... Mr. ELLIS said, an asdsvit bad been Niemand by Mr. Plunkett, that the Jury had been arranged as to insure its being " packed" ; be wished to ask whether there 'meld Le any objection to predate such allidesit.. !dr. PLUNK EU replied, that be should give ae itch affi davit—be did not conceive be was bond to du so. Ile re ceived informable from a pavan quarter, and he was saw lurked to give up the name of his informer. He certainly should lake care to provide the boo. hart. with the nines of those who were likely to elucidate the facts. More he thou lit could not tie regaired of him. : Mr. BROWNLOW void, the mention of the affidavit had product d mina& ratite impreation ;be 'ribbed to kn.- *Lather it had a,jurat. Mr. G. BENNET observed; that if it were a private docu ment, it had been made a publ.oll4o of. Mr. PLUNKETT added, that the document had nothing of a public character sheet it. It was imparted to him in his offi cial elierseter, and h • was not atliberty to divulge the tonne of the pang.. As to the quation from the hon. member fur Ar• magh, be could hardly tell whether it would be put serinely or not: he did not feel it necessary to maim any further emu muniention on the subject of the all:limit. Mr. GOU LAW EN pi ermined a peados Fro* Mr. Stevenson and another, praying for the repeal of the cad ditties. Mr. HUME said. great eatirifactiin would be gives to the whole country b. the repeal ; soil it could be door, if the Chancellor of t#,,Utebe q urr would only rake as meal Friona his Sinking Fund, and.heseemed half behind to agree to the re pest. Coterie! BAGWELL said, the repeal of the coal duty weal be of incalculable advantage 1.0 she labouring classes of Ire land. Petition ordered to be printed. Mr. GOULBUIIN pretreated * petitios, from the Coroners of Cork, fur an increased remuneration. Mr. HUME thought farther reanimation was unnecessary, as when there were city vacanoiea there were plenty of coda dales. titian Tatata.—Mr. RICE moved for various, other wit nesses to sacrist 011 the approaching enquiry. Mr. PLUNK E ! T•tisid be had been accesed of acting in an unprecedented manner. A Mr. Foley, an attorney, had perm dri that a criminal information was Sled 'Kama a person ranted Leaoh, for offering a heibe to a publie ofiteer, in. 1211. by Mi. Saari, his tereeleetssor, after the grand jury hod twice igioarzil the bills. Motion agreed in and witnesses ordered. Sosume uc Duni.tra—lootmer.— Late in the ',vain, after eight o'clork, Sir F. BUttlYttli mimed that the order of the day for the House to go into a cumintit, e to icquile Sheriff Thorpe'e conduct be read: It was accordiegly reed. The House then went into a committee. Sir R. Ileum (in the absence of Mr. Brogden) took the chair. The first witness called was the Clelk of due Crown. Dublin, It was with considerable diScilty that he was h vat in the gal lery. The witness 114dCfV1r01 a lost t 1441111411011 by Variatii members; a majority of his answers however were mandible in the gallery. Si, far as we could collect them, they svetst to show, that the Jury had, on this occasiou, beeu appointed 14 the usual way. Mr. BROUGHAM pot several questions as to the neva! (For CONtißlid(ioll Pt Fife 142.) . -~,;-. ' ~~;