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590 nate every Irish Bishop. The See of Rome, as at present existing, and likely to exist, might give Buonapatte an opportunity of giviag the Papal dignity to Cardinal Pesch. What influence might he not gain by such means in Ireland ? He did not say that the existence of foreign infltvnce should exclude them from the Constitution, but this he said, that when they were admitted to the Constitution, they ought to unite with us in protecting it against all foreign enemies. In Spain, though the most bigotted country in Europe, it had been thought necessary to guard against the influence of the Pope in the affairs of the State. He thought, with the Catholics of Ireland, there ought to exist no connection which was not avowed and notorious. He had no objection to vote for the motion in its largest sense, and no objection to the Catholics being admitted to the fullest participation in the Constitution, provided the requisite securities are given. He only desired that a declaration might be made, and this done, he was willing to concede all they asked. He had no objection to the second resolu tion of the Right Hon. Gentleman, which went to lay the resolution then under consideration before the Prince Regent, if it went no further; but if it was meant to advise the Crown to direct Ministers to bring forward a measure in conformity with the wish of that reso lution, he could net agree to it. It would be a hard task to impose upon a Government, to frame a measure according to the ideas of an individual, under such circumstances as they would be called upon to frame under, if they were called upon in the present instance.— Hc of no disposition in any quarter of the Administration to make it a Cabinet question. Every one took that part which his own judgment dictated ; but where there was such a variety of opinions en the subject, h.t. could not think the Government would be likely to carry it so far as an individual. All he could say was, that holding those opini.ns which he had entertained ever since the Union, which were on record, and which he had never any disposition or occasion to change, he was most anxious in his individual capacity to exert him self in or out of Parliament, in any way that might rive the Catholics that tvhich they claimed, provided the measure could be accompanied by those securities which the Protestants had a right to expect.- 1:pon the whole, the quention was not free from Constitutional dan ger, and though it might he difficult to devise adequate securities, still, in the present state of the Catholic mind, and in the present state of Papal power, it would he well to look at the difficulties which opposed themselves to the measure, get over them if they could, and it they could not, at least get so near the difficulties as to be able to state in Parliament w here the measure " hitched," and that ascertained, if the obstacle were inseparable, it would he seen that Parliament had done what they could, and then he should hope with that knowledge the public would be satisfied, and the question settled and set at rest. Mr. TIER NE Y augured ill for the Catholic Question, as the Noble Lord thought it would be very hard to expect Government to bring a measure for the relief of the Catholic.; in compliance with the wishes of the House. He characterized the Government as weak, imbecile, and changeable, censured them far taking no part in a question of such importance, and hoped in the course of the summer they would come to some detterniinat:on on the subject, and communicate the same to the Catholics. Mr. B. BA - 1111;R sr defended the conduct of Ministers in not making it a Cabinet Question, and maintained that Parliament was only pledged to the consideretion of the question, and that the Government was bound to propene tin spectic measure on the subject. fie should vote against the motion. Sir J. C. Htreist.r.v argued in favour of granting the Catholic Emancipation, but contended that they had no right to expect to be ►laced in a situation different, with respect to the Pope and fbreign influence, from that in which they must stand in Catholic countries. Mr. PONSONBY condemned the conduct of Government in taking no part in a question of such vast importance. If the Government would not make it a Cabinet measure, the person on whom the task of origi nating a prop osition on the subject ought of right to devolve, was his Right Hon. Friend near him (Mr. Grattan), and he was confident that he would he assisted with all the talents of the Right Hon. Gen tleman who had brought forward the motion. He rose principally to say, that be for one was not disposed to press so far fur securities as s ,nie persons were ; feeling as he did that in the grant, and in the con cessions themselves, the greatest of all securities was contained. Mr. F ITZG DR to and Lord PALMERSTON supported the motion. Sir C. Eon RILL, in consequence of the resolutions he had seen of the aggregate meeting, opposed the motion. Mr. WHITBREAD censured the Government, in strong terms, for declining to advise the Prince Rtgent, as to the cause proper to be tiken on this important subject. lie noticeal the different opinions expressed by the Members or the C.Aihet , and thought they must pass a very uneasy suintr.N . . Mr. W. Shave!! edited a few observations in favour of the Catholic _ Mr. C Ann tNc bestowed a high tribute of praise on the character and citations of the Right lion. Gentleman who had so often raised kis voice in the cause (Mr. Grattan), anti expressed himself happy to resign the task of carrying the wishes of the House, into his hands; but at the same time, without derogating from any thing he had said on the conduct and talents of that It ight Hon. Gentleman, he should Le still more happy to see it in the hands of Governm en t. The Home Linn %rivaled on ?dr Casting's inutnnt, the Amendment JUNE 28. having been withdrawn. For the motion, 296; against it, 106. Ma. jority, I . ..V.—Adjourned at three o'clock iu the morning. TUESDAY, JONI 21 The Bermuda Trade Bill was read a third time and passed. Lord BINNING moved the further consideration of the Report of the Mail Coach Toll Exemption Repeal Bill. Mr. Ra NKr s moved as an amendment, that the Report be taken into farther consideration on that day three months. A long discussion ensued, in which Sir C. Burrell, Sir G. Clerk, Mr. 0. Williams, Sir F. Burdett, Mr. W. Dundas, Mr. Rose, Nlr. Wrotreslv, Mr. G. Johnson, Lord A. Hamilton, Mr. Whitbread, Mr. D. Giddy, Mr. W. Taylor, Mr. Banks, Lord Binning, and Mr. H, me Sumner participated ; after which the House divided : For the Motion, 47 —Against it, 56—Majority, 9. ORDERS IN COUNCIL. Mr. BROUcit Aal Said, it was his painful duty, a few nights ago, to call the attention of the House to the subject of the Orders in Coun. cil, in a manner which he was happy to say was no longer necessary. An order had been issued this day, by his Royal Highness in Council, which, in his opinion, and in the opinion of all the friends with whom he had consulted, was in every way satisfactory ..—(Hear, hear, hear !)—He could not conclude without expressing his approbation of the frank, manly, and limper conduct adopted by his Majesty's Ministers. (Hear, hear !) To say more would be improper, as it might be attributed to a 6 , rt of triumph on his part, which he did not feel ; but to say less would be unfair. He should repeat once again, that he, as one of the p-blic, thanked them for their frank and manly conduct. It was fit that such an acknowledgment should proceed from that side of the House, because the fear of an ill-judged triumph, he was persuaded, operated often to produce the continuance of measures which would otherwise be abandoned. He trusted, that the Revocation of the Orders in Council would produce a proper dicer, and be taken as they were meant by a Government which he hoped was naturally friendly to us. If, unfortunately, it should happen that this was not the case, he should be the last man to say that the Government of the country ought not to be supported. He concluded with moving, that the Order of the Day for calling over the House on Thursday next, should be discharged. Lord CasTcratzwou expressed his satisfaction that the conduct of Government appeared so satisfactory to the Hon. and Learned Gen tleman. He was all along aware that when the intentions of his Ma. jesty's Government were understood, and freed from those miscon ceptions under which it had laboured, all unfavourable im pressions would be removed. He begged it might not be supposed, atter the declaration of the Honourable Gentleman, that Government had departed in any measure from their original intention as declared in that House. The diflerence between them was, that he (LW Castlereagh) preferred suspension to revocation, and the Hon. Gent. would recollect that suspension was one course w bich he himself re commended. One of his motives for taking a particular time war, that he thought it would be more convenient to 040 SC who were Interested in the trade, to know the precise period of its duration. With t his one exception, the measure was the same as that he intended. Having guarded against any misconception on this head, he hoped the Hon. Gentleman would not th ink that he was the less happy to have received his approbation. Mr. A. BRING made a few observations in approba tion of the conduct of Ministers, and congratulated the House and the country on the step that had been adopted. Sir FRANCIS BuarszaT approved of the conduct of Ministers, and the ability and candour with which his Honourable Friend (air. Brougham) had conducted the investigation to this happy issue — agreeing in all that had been said by the Gentlemen who had pre ceded him—lie still begged leave to call the attention of Miniters tho subject of the impressing of American seaman — an d suggested the propriety of an enquiry into the case of Williams. Mr. GOLDRUaNE said, that entituly had been made, and that a Right Honourable Friend of his, who would soon be in . the House, wouldhe able to state the result. Lord CASTLEREAGH assured the lion. Baronet that all cronmcni . cations from America were attended to with that care wind) the importance of the subject required, and that a list of all A menrir seamen In the service was obtained iron/ the American Minister, t the purpose of adopting such steps as would be satisfactory. Mr. PONSON av cteclartai that, so far as he understood the Gazette, it was to him perfectly satisfactory ; if America should persist io unjust and unreasonable demands, though lie had constantly opp the Orders in Council, his vote should not be wanting to thetniact men t of those measures winch might be necessary to the dignity and character of the count ry. Mr W stir aitaau expressed his heartf.lt satisfaction that the re vocation had taken place, and he had no doubt that i t would be sue: cesstut in preventing a rupture between the two co untries. It wa: impossible to notice the joy of the manu ta ctu ring charms un ti t ! present occasion, withou t congratulating themselves on what ha d been done. On returning to their estates, they would find t he p eoP,l quiet, peaceable, and employed. It was unnecissaey to pay any corn- Aliment to the manner in which his Lion. Friend (Mr. Brougham) had conducted the investigation—the country k new it. When on e ,! , country was in the right tea any disputtal queshou t there cow* THE NATIONAL REGISTER.