The National Register. — London, England, 1821-05-14 00:00:00

of it, and his willingness to explain what lie had really uttered; but as to the note in the Courier. neither he nor his friends knew any thing of it till the poblication. 011 the contrary he was painod to see u. The Waco', gal LON 1)()S I) Ertity said, there could he no doubt of Ow glum ter of the article? it was iuiploper 111 attribute unju,it motives to hon. menthe's. aerec I in—and afterwards the printer (Weaver) was ordered 111 at fond the bar of tae house to-morrow. SEDITIOUS NILLTINGS.—MC. Lra;:si ABU rose, pur suant to notice, tit call tlie attenti 4444 of the house to the 80th Geo. 111. respecting seditious meetings and libels. lie thonght, if lie could chew that the coustitittiou had been infringed upon, and that unnecessary restraints had been imposed, lie • b oll' have established a ground tot his motion. It was the undoubted right of the subject. ac cording to the constinitioti, to meet and agree to petitions respecting their geievances; and this right hail been violently suspended. The measures, however, were passed dining a period of considerable alarm, and when there was ill operation an extensive system of espionage; they were supported because the alarms of some led them to desire to sacrifice a part to support the remainder of the constitution ; but wheal the causes of alai in had Nub sided, lie maintained that the act suspending such portion of the people's liberties ought no longer to exist. Ac cording to the existing law, petitions Clllll,l not approach that house as they were a ont to do ; and the measure hail been attended with all those incosivenienees that hail been foretold, as was proved by the various refusals of sheriffs to call comity nieetingx ; refusals that proved their submission to the government. lie was not afraid of the freedom of the press or the freedom of speech ; and sure lie was that no great state could exist long a iihout them. By those acts, the repeal of which lie now de an cif, such freedom had been stispended for the third time; but they were even severer than previous avowedly temporary measures. The alleged events on which the alerting were founded had been disproved. Mr. hunt's trial proved Lone of them; there was no proof of the noble niarquis'e (Londonderry) statements, about cart loads of stmt's, of fields of slaughter, and magistrate* stoned to death. lithe evidence on which the bills sere founded proved to be false, if on that false evidence the people had been convicted, what was so proper as to re verse that attainder? The measures which be sought to have repealed had produced something like apathy—but was not such tranquillity more alar 11l ill g than the *form? (Hear, hear.) Teri efore lie proposed to repeal the sedi tious meetings act, as well as that regarding libels. That act regarded what had not been defined, and what had been pronounced to be undefinable. It :Outlined a severe and et itel pienisliment—perpetual banishment for a second offence. The hon. baronet who had just left prison for a supposed offeuce—on a verdict that hail been obtained by finesse—might, if he again adiltessed himself warmly to his constituents, be placed in jeopardy ; and it a second verdict wets obtained, seeing what spirit had actuated some of die judges, he should tremble fur the fate of the lion. baronet. (Cheers.) From what lie had seen, from the interruption which one individual lied experienced while conducting his defence, lie must infer that it was thought a jury was too poll - 11l a protection ot• the people ; and as to the discretion of law utficcu , what had been dune in the ease of the Queen spewed what they were capable of doing when they had the power. lie, there. fore, in the name of his constitimitis, and of the people, called on the house to resiot e to the people their until terecl riglms. Some might think lie had indiscreetly brought forward his motion—but so convinced was he of its propriety, that he should persevere He concluded with moving ter leave to bring in a bill to repeal the hUtli Geo. 111. respecting seditious meetings. Mr. Sergeant ONSLOW ceu•urerl the remarks dial hail again been applied to a lea Wed judge, air individual who possessed II tender and an honourable mind. 11 time were charges against that excellent-minded juitge, why were they not reeularly preferred, so that their might be regular answer.? Alter sonic remarks from Mr. Denman, Mr. flutchin son, Sic. the !ionic divided. The the motion SW—Against it sU. Mr. LENS ARD then made his second motion for leave to bring in a bill to repeal the new act respecting libels; unit the house slimily illiel'Wl4l4l, divided on it , Shen the numbers appeared to be—For the ino.itdi aa—Against II bB—Majorny These divisions were received with corisiderable cheer ing by lie ripple Won. Mr. scARLETT then brought forward his motion on the subject of the poor loss. 111 r. kICARDO supported the motion, Soil wre,ed the necessity of Foote provision being adopted on this eel/jeer. Mr. M. A. 'IAYI-011 also urged the necessity of ►ome alteration in the present system of poor lawe. He pat ti cidarly urged the necessity of sonic amendment in the set (lenient laws. Alter sonie further conversation, leave was given to bilng in the hill, M. scARLETT brought it/ the bill, width was read a firotisue. Mr. SCARLETT said, his object in this measure was 1 1 01 to oppress the poor, hut to rouse a sl.llll of iniiihtry and independence In them, by iteitritying the opinion whirl, has tooted in the ' ds o'lll, that the duty of re. liev Mg the poor, under all tit emnstauces, was imperative. The wound reatLog of the bill was ordered tur the glib, and ordered to be Printed. AFeains fig Sieges.—Lord WM, BENTINICK moved for a number of papers relative to Sicily, amongst %bleb Mute copies of lust' urtiuns given to Sir William A'C:otirt, Oat andta..ador, I.:leave to the occupations of Sicily by the British aim), and the pledge of the Neapolitan go. vet ittitent relative to the securit) of persons and propel ly. , —The motion wits agreed to, Mr. J. SAW! H then moved for leave to bring in a hill to emend the bankrupt laws. 'file hon. member entered into a >atilttuettt of the nature tattle measure he intended to pi °pose to the house, %ta rtl watsiutilar to the itivastiie Gt last eea.iun , and 1:ail lot OA object to pi Merl the Milne tuttate and tarnish the tiandulent bankrupt. The motion nUs mai col to, the bill broaglit in, read a first, and m 11 1 ,1411 to hr trail a second time on Fi iday. The !clout m I:ir emanative of sitoply na s brought up, NMI the at %real ream:wows acre agi veil to, The other ender we; e then disposed a, anti the house ailjourned, Wit/NM/AY, MAY Q. Mr. LITrLETON precrottql the report of thr Alba rodgh eiection conintittee, which 'lectured Mr. Antrobits to I.ove been duly elected, uutt the petitiuu not to hoe Lten ftivuluue or ve):4tiutit. THE NATIONAL REGISTER Petitions were presented against the Metropolis Road Bill, from Kent, Greenwich, Woulwlch , Dartford, &c. Ald. HEYGATE presented a petiiimma (mom &Wintry against the allot:taw' of any commaimal.mmi y awmi, education, as it w u tii.l and to their Is:iris! !milieu., which %el e Iss. or 19s. iim the 'mum'. Ordered to be primed. Mr. S. Wll ITBREAD presented petitions from Houns low against time Metropolis Rudd.; th e inbabita„,,, of that neighbourhood heittg perfectly satisfied with the roads. _ Mr. R. MARTIN presented a petition from persons in London and elsewhere, praying the atioptiull of some 1111111111ary mode of punishing servants and others driving the petitioners' stage coaches, d imaging or injuring horses. Petition read, and ordered to be printed. Mr. MAR TIN then gave notice, that on Friday next lie I.llollld move for leave to bring in a bill on the subject. Mr. BYNG moved for the revival of the committee on the Aletropolis Gas Light Bill. Sir J, YOlLlili trusted the house would pause before They gave encouragement to too many of these companies. They had an example before them of the water companies. By permission of the house, the water companies had been graciously permitted to ruin one another; now they were allowed to • other pessona if possible. Were they to have a similar race with these ulisuufacturers of gas? Alter some remarks from Sir I. Coffin, Mr. Ilyng, and Mr. P. Moore, the house divided. The numbers were— For it, 9'—Against it, 87. BREACH or PRIVILEGR.Mr. BENNErf moved, that Alit Weaver be slow called to the bar.—Agreed to. Mr. Weaver (printer of John Bull) was then placed at the bar. In answer to questions pot to him, he stated, that lie was the R. I'. Weaver 'tamed at the end of the patter; and in reply to inquiry who haul Itaiuded him the paragraph in question, lie stated, that he was engaged in printitig the paper on Saturday. He did not know who handed the paper in question. There was an editor; his name was Cooper; that Cooper lived somewhere in Black ikti s-road ; lie did nut know where exactly. He had been the editor for sonic time past. He came backwards and I . OIW a rtla to the office. Weaver said lie was printer. pub-, lisher, and sole proprietor; lie was nut sure about the thin ; it was, lie thought, about six weeks. He pur chased the paper of Shackell and Arrowsmith. Arru A. smith lived at the house, in Johnson'. Court. He was not A rrowsmith's journeyman: but there were some arrange ments with Ai rowsinith. Ile did say, on the Intli and Yatli Feb. at the stamp-office, in his affidavits, that lie was sole proprietor. 'The price however was not yet settled. 'There was agreement. It was not in writing; it was a verbal agreement. It was that lie should become pro prietor at a certain price, which certain mice had not yet been fixed upon. He made the purchase after a prosecution bad commenced against the paper. He re ceived the profits and accounted tor them in Val ions ways. He made no returns to Arroswinith. He paid the editor three guineas per week. He (Weaver) did not keep the MS. copy; lie believed the editor kept the copy; be was nut aware that it war destroyed. The House in John sou'ilicourt was taken with the adjoining house on lease; the renter of the House was Sliackell. The " landlord" was a " widow lady." lie was sorry lie lied no reason toleunploy any banker. He was to settle with Arrowsmith hereafter; uo suns haul been named, There had been a transfer of property, but no sum was named. He Ind swotu, F'ebrkiary 10, that the paper was to be printed at his residence, Dyer's-buildings: it had however been ;Hinted at Arrowsinith's. The copy was 'nut given to him, it was handed to the compositors; he did nut know who brought, or who received the copy. There were five or six compositors; they did not pilot what they liked.— Ile Old out know from the composite's, which had inserted the paragraph, H. hal cot ii-keit who itiserted it. As to the paragraph he believed it to be false; and had lie kilo it to lw false, out lousier on earth shuald have induced him to Misfit it. lie believed up money was paid fur the pat a. graph. Ile did not know the mime ilie compositor who Inserted it. He named four regulai ronipmitors, Hay anrd,: &C. There were extra-114ln r; he paid them alt. There were extra-hands empasyrd on Saturday. The editor, he thought, was at the office on Saturday %viten the paper went to piers. The verbal agreenteet wait made about seem wet ks ago t it was nearer two mouths than line month ago; it was made in A rroo smith's office. Cooper was appointed editor pre vious to -kith n i a k eineitt ; Mr. Shackell mil • ted Cooper. Torte %sere elioiy money traiisariimis with Cooper, hot that person wssfrequently puid by Ai rowainith. lie (Wrxirer) had paid Coupi r sitice or twice; lie had paid the stamp office; °titer 'kremlin. were outstanding; the oilier outgoings erre ;od 11) A low:moth ; he paei the weekly oulgoiliAs, lie, the reader, &ie. read the paper. There were books, which the accounts were kept, the money for the sale, ail vertiseiatins, &c. filr. Arrow smith dot out receive the whole 0; the e eekly proceeds; sometimes he made the entries m the hooks; sometimes Arrowsumth. There was no person authorised to insert paragraphs when lie and the editor weir absent, hut such insertions had taken place. lie was not an are of ally private milks whirls were to nut home the insertion of pin agrapits bearing suell marks, even if himself mitt editor were abseil!. Ile had been employed nu the Tra veller before he was engaged with John Bull. The emir' builds did out Marti paragiaphs Without mit'auity. Mr. Cooper ti as the sole editor its far as he knew. lie had paid Mr Cooper. He did nut know *here the edeur ed— Cooper our tiiz.ht said he had to go to Illat kfrints road.— Three was a gentlemen wah Conger this morning—bot he din not know the gentleman's name. It the copy ache nut g iven to the reading-boy by himself or Mr. Cooper, he dial ion knew by %hum they might be give.., lle thought the compositors would not d.tie to inset t a paragraph without authority, if they thiright it impoitant. He had had nu cosimiusticar with Cooper by letter or mute. Ale, !SENN ETT the n met»td illai U r.iver withdraw, but he instructed lo remain Ps vs anitig.—W raver uccui dangly withdrew, _ Mr. 11E,NN ETT next stated, that he 0:sly desires! fu disquiet Weaver till the other parties i.rre buinmosic.l. lir illoVell, tbul A trun inilb, Suarkell, and Ilenly Cuo t e•r he (tweeted to attend the ag.ecd to, Nod ,11111111WISti %ere tweed le direct the uttendsineo tit the patties, Con RTS OP J. NEVI PORT prefaced his tuutiou with st:stifig, that the motion for a c ttttt oti.bion to eso:.ore hot, t ties of courts of justice was carted in lii I. ni:doritx of one s In 11415 the toattanstou wto , nn tif.it fur the mat of chaorery these w. re two OUL nt tae live 'within.; nittslerthips in chan c e r y. The citesnii sinners 11:01 made Nor reports( Out sins the 'autisml at their fahi s sirs. The expellee bed beer' roubitletabte ; the Caniini•Pitiii • IN received 5110 i. a 'ear 1 the %%Pule expetwe to the rowel year would be id,oool. f4s Shies reputes and suppAemast.— 147 Under all the circumstances he deemed it eight to state his opinion in a series of resolutions, that they might be placed on the journals; fur all uOUlil odutit that it was mast hi pot tam to secure a pure aditiiiii.tratam of justice. The resoluii ii stated the cuastiossidii—the extent of the coin 1111 l ers' labours—their receipt of 66,0001. as salaries-- the cumniunication of the Lord Chancellor in receiving the 111)Of t —the notices returned by the judges, nnnouueiag that the reports had not heen officially cominuoicated to them— and tidally, that the house viewed with regret the slots new of the commissioners' progress—the difficulties that had been Ihrna n iu their way. After some further discussion, the house divided on the re•olut:on conveyitig a censure: The numbers were—fur it 56—against it 82. llonouGst Reiroam.—Lord J. RUSSELL then brought forward his motion respecting the cortopt boroughs; and after urging the necessity of leform in the representation, concluded by moving a series of resolutions, the substance of which was, that on enquiry it had appeared that bribery and corrupt practices existed in various boroughs which had fallen into decay, arid that it Wili ex 'Jethro Heat Cite elec. tire franchise bliould be taken from such boroughs and trans ferred to large towns nod populous districts at present un represented ; and that a committee shunts' be appointed to empire into t he best mode of carryinp. this plan into elect'. Mr WHITMORE, although he did Hut appprove of all the positions laid doss n by his noble friend in his speech, yet he tully concurred in the principles of the resolutions, Which be now rose to second. The resolutions were then put, and the gallery was partly cleared for a division, when Mr. BATHURST rose, amidst loud cries of" Withdraw" and " Question," to oppose the resolutions. lie had no objection to disfranchising unending boroughs; but the mobil, lord's plan appratt:d to lion to contemplste the datranchiseis men, of all saiall boratous, whether guilty or innocent to this proposition he could not usscut, and therefore should oppose the motion. The gallery wits then cleared for n division ; and the numbers were—Fur Lord John Russell's motion, 124—for the previous qtleaion, 151—Majority against the motion 31. 'fhe examinition of this division (sus received with loud cheers. On being re-admitted to the gallery we found.. Mr. MAIIERLIC objecting to the serums on whir* nu ad. sauce of 500,0001. from the Bank of Ireland to government was to be cuntructed. Four per cent.. he observed, were the ter s ; but he contended that the same or a greater saw coulil be obtained in this country fur three percent. In this there was a difference of 5,0001. to the country on the 500,0201. C If ANC I:Ltort of the EXCHEQUER defended the terae. of the tidy:ince made by the Bank of Ireland as being moat advantageous to the country. Mr. Barna( and Mr. Cal raft were each of opinion that (he advance could have been more udvantageously obtained in this country. Here the cunvrrration dropped. Time house adjourned. THIIISDAY. MA? 10. Mr. MONTGOMERY presented a petition from the county of Ayr against the Scotch Jury Courts Bill. Mr. ABERCROMBIE said, he was ashamed of these peti. tions. Would the house believe that the bill was to give in en minal cases what was now the regulation in civil eases $ and that it was supposed to cast a slur on particular individuals? Sir G. CLERK denied that the bill in Scotland was made the subject of party. Petition ordered to uc isrinted. BREACII or PRIVILEGE.—Sir R. MARTIN complained of The Times haying misrepresented him and the house, in stating that there was laughwr" when he talked of the possibility of • horse's eye being knocked out, and his sinews injured, without being able to procure redress from the journeymen inflicting such mischief. lie cared not—but when he spoke on a benoue subject, it was licentious to state that the house was convulsed with laughter. He moved that the parties be ordered to attend on Monday. No person appeared to second the motion. The hon. member looked round SOIIIC time; at last it was seconded by a member from the lower opposition bench. Mr. TIEIINEY hoped the motion would not be pressed. inasmuch as it would go to lessen the weight of that authority which they sometimes felt it right to exert. (Hear, heatl) Motion withdrawn. PRIVILEGE.....IOIII4 Beta. —Mr. G. BENNETT moved. that the Order of the Day be read for the attendance of It. T. N(reaver, 11. Cooper. Ate. T. Arrowsmith appeared.—Examined by Mr. G. BENNETT. 110 was not the proprietor of John Dal; he had not been such since February ; he had transferred it to Mr. Weaver ✓; he did receive soma money; he did not set up the papers lie did not pay Weaver two guineas a week.' lie paid the rent of the house; Weaver paid hint again; be paid himself out of the proccetiq; sometimes one and sometimes another, paid the wages; he did not principally pay the wages. His partner. Shazkeil. employed Cooper; Cooper had three guineas a week. with the understanding that there was to be an advance if the paper succeeded. lie gave up the paper because lie could not superintend it. If there were lose, it tell on bim ;if duo were profits. Weaver received them all. (A laugh.) Them was no written or oral agreement about the trancer. He transformed it soon after the commencement of a prosecution. He was consent to abide by the loss; he did not look for the profits. Weaver had never accounted for the profits. The transfer wee upwards of two months ago. He did not see the article before it *ea printed; it was not customary to save the manuscripts; he did not know that it was , customary with the newspaper oiscel *v. preserve them. He first heard yesterday at ten that Weaver was ordered to attend; he saw Weaver, but hod no further coerce. session on them; he was not pr meat yergenlay ; he dad nos heard the examination. Wm. Shackell called, Examined by Mr G;DENNETT.—IIes had waled to bee preprietur in February, a we.ic after having the honour of seeing the hon. member. (Laughter) lie gave it up tom the dread of prosecution; there was no remuneration for the surrenders; Weaver was then receiving two pounds a week as an overseer g Weaver rece . ved three guineas a week aspect utptofits forms's% use; he had seen Weaver paid ; he had sometimes paid him; he sometimes received the ptoceotis. sometimes Arrowsmith received then: ; end sometimes he received them in trust for %Ye:leer. (A laugh.) Thete were two aecount books at the other. He sornetiniet, taw the manuscripts; he did not know Out 1 10 hail seen the manuscript of the article in question. Me appointed Cover Winn; there was no other editor; ho was responsible tie ‘t'eaver ; Co per examined the article—eettainly atler they were printed. sodwiiines before. It loss bud at te;ided tho paper. it was ti; have Lams on Mr. IVeavet ; he thou 1 have looked to Weaver. That he believed to be alas understood Ly .krmwsntiih. lie had started the paper; he inh:lit almost say he was the tether of (I.auglitsr.) He paid all the expenses, but out cot tl'eaver's toonev. %Ve,iver did nut make :try payments. IVeaVor had bainealllCl , paid Volper. Weever had been employed by him un .t.lua [lull ; Weaver had before been about the office. lie had employed Weaver previously to the transfer on other matters.... Ile 6.4110.1111 r% lent inert to Wei:seri IVesieer duel nut paid Mat. lie was neither trustee nor agent to It'eaver; he was merely a Wand w take ears ut his mosey. He presumed it was eons non ( For con 'emotion see plgt t so.