The National Register. — London, England, 1822-03-03 00:00:00

• Mr. Alderman WOOD hoped that there would not now be any objection to the printing of the evidence. Mr. PEEL acquiesced in tlti■ motion —Agreed to. Mr. Alderman WOOD moved for the production of the evidence taken in IlcheAter gaol, on the 10th and Utlt of Ja!Maly last, on two debtors.—Ordered. MINISTERIAL PENSION BILL Mr. CREL:VEY brought forward his motion respecting th e Oct to enable his :Majesty to remunerate pelSllll4 who might have held high and efficient situations in the country. It was no important bill—however it was but little known; and its principle woos subversive of the monarchy itself. The act was the lofty-seventh of Go urge 111. and it had lately been at to d upon. The bill, in fact, constituted the Govern ment dealers in politics into a joint stock company; it divided Dorm into classes, mod gave each class particular lie bill settled 30001. pensions nn those high ser vants who might have held situations for two years or e; hut it took away all power Goon the King on the subject Ile was merely the secretary to his servants. lie had nothing n ore .o do doom to say a 3 eor no. The King could not give n pension of above 12001. a year; but this act secures pen sions in perpetuity of 30001. each, to the amount of 42.0001. year.—Tooe bill was introduced by Mr. D. Gilbert, Mr. Bankes, and Lord Castleteach, and what was still more curious, it resulted from a finance committee to regulate and a holish public ufficeo, and to reduce the public expenditure. (Hear, hear.) On the committee there were three or four persons alto were qualify in; for such pellSlllllP. lie did loot know what the )loose might think of the act—the House to be sure was a privileged body, but it would lave been Thought very curiously of it any parish iu England. It was altoge: her a most ext raordinary business, and what was more entertionine, it proceeded feom a committee professing to have in view the reduction of the public expenditure; and the bill also secured a sort of mueopoly of talent—for the first lip: merit was adjusted bfact of parliament. 800 ever, the I, uth was, it was an act' to raise money louder false pretetire.,"—(Hear, mid a laugh,)—and was that to he borne ? Were the) to give the high and efficient men 42 oObt. for depriving the King of his patronage 2—(llear.)-11e concluded with moving for papers illustrative id the 'objects he had alluded to—accounts of sill pensions granted under the act, &c. Aber some remarks from Mr. Banks and the Marquis of Londonderry, the papers were ordered. SUIPLI . .—On the motion of the Chancellor of the Exchequer, that the Douse go into a Committee of Supply, Mr. HUME at great length defended his former statements of the earners of the navy. lie concluded nide moving, a• an amendonetit, the production of papers illustrative of the navy estimates. Mr. CROK ER defended his former slnteinent, and said he had quoted public documents. The oneml.er fur Aberdeen had ,nosed !situ to:correcting and writing his speeches for a certain newspaper. Now he (Mr. C.) would ,store the hon. member that he never in his life corrected Ind two of his poeclie.--the our his speech relative to his Royal Highness the Duke of Vol k, and the other his speech on the Catholic claims; and he cuul.l further assure the loon. gentleman that he h.d not written a late for an newspaper for the last two yeats. ( Hear, hear, hear !) lle then proceeded to comead that all the calculation,s of the member fur Aberdeen were wrong. A long discus%ion followed, between Mr. Brougham, L -,rd Londonderry, and others. The Hour , . divided;—For the motion, 'lJ—itgainit it, I29—Alajo►ity against the motion, M.—Adjourned ut one o'clock. T1111711,SD ! 1 Y, rea. 28. Mr. R. Si! A IV presented a Petition from tins householders of Dublin, tirityine fur the repeal of the %%below duty. Lord DUN CA NNON presented a petition from Mr. R. Stephenson, complaining of the nndue return of Mr. Good burn for West Lome.—Ordered to he taken into consisieration Anti! IS. Lord ' , AIRINGTON presented a petition, signed by 4600 peroms belongine h. the Plitenix and other friendly societies of PIN moot h.dor k, praying for the repeal of the :Id and 4th sections of 59th of Oro. I 11. regarding friendly societies. The noble Lord said, the sod, ties sustained great injury frinn the netes.ity at two I 1111 l sebeeper,, worth 3(11. each to Le trustees. Out of '26 moieties, IS had in coosequent e been abolished. Mr. COURTLNAY was sorry (lint the art had been mis conceived ; it ceitaiiity hail no reference to societies formed beliire the pas•iiu or the 0,1. Bit ir it were entii rived that since amendment ii as necessary, lie had nh onjection to the petition being referred to u coati The act certainly was not intended to have a retrospertive operation.—petition read. and ordered to be printed. Mr. MO.:Hi:ROI! 111 E prest•otud a petition front the f:iimatisitionera of the general maim. of Edinburgh, praying that th.• Edinburgh police lull might nut pass into a law.— Referred to the cunut tifter on the hill. Mr. HUME moved (or relic - Hs of pensions and salories, 'trawled in Ik2 I, which mild the tour shillings duly, eke.- o , tlered. Ton p •tit , , one from Bruton, Somersetsliiie, the tither from Loath, Lincoli.shire, weir presented, complaining of hK.ieuthrr;,l.listi,.,.Order e d to he printed. II r. CURW IA said, after Easter he should, if ministers did not, Icing forwairt soine mot km to equalize Ilt, , duties till tallow imported ri Russia,, ike with those on limier and eau se. It e , oi'd allbrd the opportunity of removing the Mows on CallnlcS, snap , Ike.; it would produce :doom 700,0001. Ile hoped gentlemen who hitd promised nt corm, meetings to enforce reduction, would realize their pleilgi a in that House, Mr. SY ICES congratulated the Douse oil the 6 rter;n; prospects Dint &tom d 011 them, in comenueuee of the t au members who hail said Dint they could nu longer support the milligtery4. lie mailitisitied that nothing but a reduction of ILr rople's bort liens mould ;Ilford relief. Ile was surprised that it owl urged by some, that a reduction of taxation would no relief; those is ho belt such doctrine. n.0•1.1e pre. paied to contend Duo co iurream. of lases a 'lulu re no ad linioll to the tttt übies.—(Hear, hear ) Mr. 110 BIIOUS E gave notice that to-morrow !,e shield present a petition from Mr. I 1 mit, ond he should ti o •n peril. cularly tall the attention of the I f two, Io its pray. r. Sir M. W. RI DLEY gave notice, that to-morrow in the committee 01 supply, he should move the reduction ofit he Loud of the Admirrilly'eealaries. Mr. BAN KES gave • notice, that to morrow he should bring forward at motion on the subject of the sink Mg Ann.. The LORD ACVOCATE moat d fur leave to bring in hill to uteetal the entitle tf art minting in the 11.44411.1urA115, to prevent the nonresidence of magistrates, &c. Lord A. HAMILTON sins ate prised, after all Vie repot Is na ilie subject, thnt the Lord Adam ate should au.ske ibis mot •..11 .1, a matte' id coructe. Motion agt led (40. THE NATIONAL REGISTER KN IGHTSIIIRIDUE AFFAIR. Mr. Ald. WOOD said be rose fur the purpose of moving, that the petition of the city of London, regarding the Knights bridge allair, be referred to a committee of enquiry. Ile understood that his motion was to I e , eeiiiiited by nu him colleague o its whom he oils not oft. a in the habit of agree iVist. Cuttiu.)-11 e bel:eved the object of both suns enquity ; he had no other °beet now. He moved that the iOll% petition be referred to it committee. Sir W. CURTIS seconded the motion. There were two Sheriti%—tine had no authority there ; Mr. Alderman and Sh rill' Waithinan would have been better had he ben at- home. (War, and laughter.) Pe and the common council meddled with to..tiers they neither understood our ought to interfere wills ; they passed themselves Mins very imputtunt rersunuAes ; but they were nothing Of she kind.—Thowsh he had seconded the tom, he thought that august awesobly would only he waguig their time n meddling with such nousen.e. Col. LiiiiON said, on the day in (location he had done his utmost to preserve older; and he had to bi:111', that throughout his sued had paid great attention to his coin. ninth. ..... 11013110 USE et:ctiry could not be !refused after such Micelle'lls mid btipporl. Mr. (tierretai y) PEEL oppie,ed the motion, blr. Ald. WOOD shortiy replied. The Howe then divided on the question; the numbers weir—fo r the motion, 56—against it, Dii—lost by a ma jority of I•2S. SALT DUTY. Mr. CALCRA FT then rose to bring forward his motion on the subject of the salt tax. The boa. gent. entered into detail of the particular, of the tax, and the points on which it messed most heavily on the people.—The present duty amounted to upward. of 3,0001. per cell t.on die price of the article ; it was tilteen shillings por In.h,- I, an d the amouut of the produce was near a milli anal n half. The proposi tion is hick he had now to submit to the was to repeal this tax, not immediately uad at mice lion ever, hut by a gr '- dual reduction of live shillings per bliAsel ; thus the duty would be le t rid of by de reel in thee )ears. He concluded by moving for leave to bring in a 1,31 accurdioLly. The CH ANC ELLO It of the EXCH EQU ER replied to the argument of the bon, gent. and decidedly opposed hi= propo,ition. los the present state of our finance., all a hick could lie done In respect to repeal of taxes had been doue .— The repeal of the malt tax would amount to near 1,400.0001. and this year there would be no further surplus. ro adopt the proposition of the ho n. member would take away a a revenue of 500,0001. immediately. Tins sum, under exist in.= circumstances, could not be spared. No father repeal of taxes could take place till an improvement In the revenue, or some other circumstance, sbnul enable Gotetnmeni again to come down w.th it proposition to that vireo. What taxes it might next be politic or desirable In reveal, must lest on the circumstances of the moment. The tom gent. had described the Ina as revising naiad heavily on the public; but on the fairest calculation it would app,ar, that on the average it did not amount to more that two shillings per year for each individual. The right hon, gent. concluded by ',maint the previous question Lind NORM:IN BY expressed his entire concurrence in tae sentiments expressed by his hon. f lend who had intro duced the motion. On ilie i tttttt ediate suliect under discus sion, he would not offer any remarks, as they were rendered supe, tbms by the able speeches of the hon. mover and seconder. Mr. LEYCESTERsupported the motion. I . le desrriboil the tax us a grievous burden on the country at large.—T he relief grunted to the agrictiltui al interest by the reduction of the malt duty was, he contended, quite disproportionate to the diAiess ler which it laboured. Ile was nu fiiend to ditch temporary expedients. II called on the country gen tlemen to demand such effectual measures ai would rescue the latid-uss tier, the )comae, and the farmer, from impending ruin. Sir I. COFFIN expressed 1113 assent to the motion. It wait not just that the poor man in this country should pay 183. a bushel for a necessary of life w hich the inhabitants of other countries C11111(1 procure for 61. Dr. MILLI 5101 IE said, he load I rough! his mind to the comet oesioit 111111 nothing but uccessity could *loafs this tax, but having come to the persuasion that 5,000,0001. was n•- ce—ttry for a surplus of revenue, he could out see bow, in six nights after, they could lake away one fourth of that coin. It was to Ilan a painful necessity, but it was ttecessat y to abstain a littlt longer, and he trn3ted a very little longer, room r. pealing the tax. There would be It disposable sur plus next %ear, and it could not be better applied. Mr. RAND LEY proceeded for some time to support view. similar to those of ministers, out was ut List obliged to %ield to the impatience of the liitu-e. Geis: GASCOV NE adverted to the hidory of the nu on salt. to the views with which it aas reimposed its 1796, mid and to the express. d intention of the minister of that ray oh it should lie alodedied as soon as possibble. The host. and gallant getter:A Giro proem-Mid to slate that he had h•te, ed us the deb de, mid pal tirttlarly tot he speech of 1 it" ,iglu hots: emit. the Chancellor of the L %chequer, told Lail not heard ft single reason ag:1111 , 4 its leprad. The ;ft s .laat I:emeriti concluded by declaring that he would give his firm support to SIC motion. Sir FR N l ISOM:MANLY said, lie would vole fur the repeal of all taxes that peculiarly n(f.rted the poor. Sir J. S L lilt [GUT woold not only vote for the repro: Of this lax but of others. (Hear, hear.) The repeal of taxes did not necnoarily reduce the surplus for a sit,t.ing•funtl till till the means of emitionty its the public expeoditure were ex. tmbled. Retrenchment, udmttting of n seduction of taste., should ittittedisitely be adopted ; for if otinisit rs did 11111 he t to tett enchant it stow, they latest come to it at hot• had heard much of the it istred4 of sip kulture out a Pat liameni, and great I a:k of what the g oo : H et to do a Imo Parliament totseinhietl. (Lear, I car.) Tuley had hitherto done nothing for their Quit telt. 1, or that a the coutdry. lie mow called upon them to r ore for a sti d, if tiles did Hot wt.!' to see their rents unpsi.d, their tehittlity ruined, their lands wit tilt aud 11 ear labotirt rs retmet d tobeg.ttryand ono( He called Nom them to a tome (HI and compel ;ministers to reduce *hear hordes 3. It they forced the repeal of 'lsis tax, iniatisterj 140,1111111.1 out a stn.% o al • g without it. Ile called 11114111 the cm:wry geotteniets to come forward nail tole tor that weep...Maim' which they laud not only n right to auk, but to tleurintl. (Was ) LITTLE'fON thoiLltt the tax eriewousaial impolitic; l:ut comialeeitig the resolution which the Goose had lately adopted to soprani imtalic credit by :a sinkin g ; fund of it,o.-o.oottl. and consitlet tag that the press ut motion Was I ilet,liSiNleat ictolutiou, lie ct,uld mot vote for its sereal at the presrilt mane at. Mr. EGERTON said he atovld tujirtt the motion for a I. peal of the las. .~ - Mr. ARIGHT thought I hot gentlemen should not on the present occasion fail to repeal the tots on salt, which wool/ enable them to face their constituents with satisfacilon.—. The hon. gentleman concluded by supporting the m Mr. Alderman II EYGAT F: congruttilieted the House and the country, on the prospect of reduced taxation. (A laugh.) A million and a half had been already surrendeied, and u considerable improvement was moreover to be expected in the public income. A variety of other chances 000ld occur for ',cling upon a system rot economy, and they had the pledges and engagements of Iris Majesty's tioini,irrg, that they could omit no occasion, from year to year, of limiting and restrainioog the expenditure. This was a slate of things a hick he thought must he gratifying to all; and if he had no other reason fur giving his vote against the motion, he should be induced by the consid. ration that it is mold prevent hint from supporting retreitchioent hereafter. (A laugh ) Mr. GI PPS said he was 11111 flow ;schooled by any desire of popularity, but he I.llllePiveil that the lox ought to lie repealed, and dim the lick ienry might be easily supplied by reductions in the expenditure. Sir C. BURRELL said he should support the motion, as he was convinced that salt might be beneficially used iu I tillocte, rind that a further reduction might b.: made in the malt duty. Mr. II EN Err (of Wiltshire) remarked, that they were a teed as to the oppressive and ruinous nature of I lie tax in que•tion, and it was surely obvious that a suns sof 250,0001. might 1w saved out of our immense expenditure. lletrosted that the country gentlemen, who had been so feelingly exhorted to arouse themselves on this occasion, would not fail to satisfy the ex pecintions of their constituents. (Ileac) The Martiois of LON DON D ERR Y conjured t hem not to trifle with their former vote, nor get rid of it by a course of proceeding so prejudicial to the character of Parliament. Sir 'f. LETH BRI DG E, said he felt that it might appear presumptuous in him to follow the noble Lord, but. there were tinsel and circumstances when common scruples must he dismissed. His Majesty's ministers were not, he feared, sufficiently apprised of the existing distress. For his own part, the speech from the throne raisol a suspicion in his mind, that It was 11111 intended to grant that relief, without which lie trembled for the consequences. Ile perceived ts jilt regret that the landed noteleit was foaling in that House. lle did not know the cause a hich had led to this result; but it was !worthily impressed upon his mind, that the gentle men who represented the landed interest in that house, had by some extraordinary means been induced to tern their backs upon themselves. (Cheers and laughter.) They were subjected to some influence which was most mischievous to the best interests of the country. With respect to the ques t' before the House, he n ished that the repeal of the tax It id nut been proposed to he gradual, but total and imme diate. lie hoped, however, that the motion would be ear s ed ; for although the relief it proposed was small, yet it %%is something. Nobody ought to be surprised at the senti ments which he had felt it his duty to submit to the House. was for him to reflect on the opiaions of those who seat him there.—(Hear.)—ln the name of his constituents he represented their distresses, nod called upon Government to came forts and with other measures to afford them relief than those they had proposed, which were totally inadequate for that p orpose.—(Cheers.) Si EDWARD KNATCHBULL did not believe that the sinking fund would be endangered, if the House should resolve to repeal the tax upon salt ; for ministers could effect farther retrenchments to meet their diminished income. (Cheers.) After Mr. Brougham and Mr. Peel addressed the House, the House divided upon Mr. Calcraft's motion, when the ninnhers were—For the motion, 165—Against it, lee— Majority for ministers, 4. The House adjourned at two o'cluck. FRIDAY, MARCH. 1. Mr. LAW LEY prerented a petition from occupiers of land in the county of Warwick, complaining of agricultural digress, and praying that the agricultural interests might experience the same protections that were extended to the manufactures of the country. Ordered to he printed. Mr. N. CALVERT moved for a select committee to en quire into the subject of recognixances entered into before jo‘tiees of the i 'ace and corouers.—Motion agreed to and committee appointed. Mr. Alderman WOOD ohtained leave to bring in a bill for the paving, cleansing, and lighting the parish of St. Leo. card, Bromley, Middlesex. Sir W. LEMON moved for accounts of the imports and exports of tin.—Ordered. Mr. WARRE presented a petition from the inhabitants of Taunton and its vicinity, very numerously signed, complain. of the unmeritedlc severe treatment and solitary confine ' meat to which Mr. Hunt had been exposed. He regretted the absence of that lion. hart. (Sir T. Le!hbridse) as he was at issue with an hon. member on the subject of solitary coo tie essent. He deemed the treatment of Mr. Hunt t in defensible. The petition prayed the Hoene to interfere.—. L lid on the table. Mr. II UME gave notice that nn Tuesday next he ahsuld move fur a return of the (Afire for the ;eduction of the national debt ; and that on Thursday he should move fir a return of the post offices in Etrgland, Ireland, and Scotland —fur an account of the gross and net revenue for Ei gland :11111 Wales, &c. to Feb. 5 ; of the charge of ion; the rate per cent. of collechng,&c.—tior accounts of the expence of building and repairing ships, &c. since 1817. Ale, of sums voted no Cbti , i ales fur the navy, since 181?.—Ordered. Mr. G. BENNETT moved for acconnts of convicts, male and female, sent to New South Wales since 1817; the term of sentence, &c.—Ordered. _ _ Sir 6. CLEItli presented returns of naval office's receiv ing half-pity, and now being in holy orders.—Ordered to be pr Med. Ma. 11011110 USE presented rt from 5,01.10 persons residing in the neiKhbuurhnud of —.Kt _- burn, Lancashire. The petitioner, prayed the House to itddri si his Majesty to commute the smut...ice of Mr. Henry num, or to hate the prison orilers rescinded. An ham bart. (S.r T. L.) had been sorry that Mr. Hunt was scot to that prison, but the public bad reason to rejoice at it—for other wise these exposures would not have taken Once ; otherwise Mr. Hunt wiitild not linoe bid die opportunity of becoming so important r public benefactor. Ile hoped that the ri lit hon. sceretaiy (Mr. Peel) would find some meat, or putt iiig on mid to tioise hard-hips. (Hear, bear.) Petition read and °Weird be pi nor d. Mr. Altlerniun WOOD (.resented a similar petition fr m Holtua. SINKING FUN D.—M r. BAN KIS moved for a series of accounts respect mg the sinking food. Mr. P. G FILL enquired a firth( r the sinking fund of 5,000,0001. was to be managed at heietufme, or whether it wits lo be conducted so as to have the benefit of compound interest. The CHA NCELLOR of Ole EXCHEQUER reptirJ, tliut rvi tordiaitatixe tee 'Age 10.) ..eq.)._. - -i-..AA - . - ..‘,. .