The National Register. — London, England, 1821-04-01 00:00:00

The Spoiled Stamps bill was re-committed. The loukrep.•rs• Allowance bill went through a com mittee. Repoli tomori ow. Mr. LUSHINGTON moved the commitment of the bill—and Mr. Brogden, the chairman of the c ommittee., not being present, Mr. Lusliiiigion took the chair, and read his own motion frr the consideration of the bill ill committee. The Ale and Beer Duties bill was read a third time and passed. Mr. P. GRENFELL made his promised motion respect ing the purchase of silver by the Mint—particularly as far as regarded the purchase of silver by the Mint from the Bank at a prier beyond the market value. Ile paid some compliments to the way in which the silver coinages were conducted by the Mint, and concluded with musing tor accounts at purchases of silver, the parties, &c. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER moved that the house resolve into a committee ua the Bank Cash Payments bill. Mr. P. GRENFELL had nn objection to the motion, but he was anxious to do justice to the directors of the Bauk of Ireland. It had been stated, that they were in terested in preventing the resumption of easit payments, and that they would.not discount for those wilt) were eu gaged in importing gold ; but lie was happy to state, that there was nut the least foundation for these statements. They continued their discounts—Nuttier, they increased their paper notes to meet the difficulties resuldiug from the failure of some country banks. Mr. PEEL said, he was happy to hear what had fallen flout the hon. member (Mr. G.) knowing what importance was attached to the lion. member's opinion. From his official knowledge, lie knew that the Irish Batik had acted most liberally; and let it he remembered, that such com pany lied the whole mauagement of the Irish debt, for which no chat ge whatever was made to the public. Mr. M. FITZGERALD observed, that the greatest praise was due to the general conduct of the Irish Bank ; but for the liberality of that company, the greatest dis must have resulted from the failure of certain banks. Mr. RICARDO observed, that the Irish Bank hail been peculiarly circumstanced : and in the moment of distress, they behaved with great energy—with inure energy, he believed, than would have characterized the Bauk of England ender similar ciictimstances. They had increased their circulation upwards of Su per cent. and would have increased their issues still more could they have found security. As to the management of the debt of Ireland by the bank of that country, it was complimentary to the bank that it was done on such terms, especially when they remembered what the Bank of England received for the management of the debt. Sir J. NEW pout suggested whether it would not be adviscable to adjonin this debate, to make way for that business which had been adjoin lied last night, ou the understanding that it should come on early to-night. lie therefore moved that the debate be adjourned till to morrow. Agreed to. Several other orders were then postponed. Cs:moray But.s.—Sir J. NEW PORT then moved that the house resolve into a committee on the Catholic Dis abilities Removal bill. . Mr. C. HUTCHINSON rose, pursuant to his promise, to call the attetition of the honse to the proposed second bill. lie did not want to alter the temper in which these debates had been conducted, though he had been assured by anonymous and other correspondents, that by the course whirl' lie was about to pursue, he should very ma terially injure the great cause of the Roman Catholics. He had no inch wish; his Catholic count! ymen must know, that in promoting the interests of the empire, lie bad neser neglected their cause. He denied that securi ties were requisite; they would not be productive of ad vantage, or promote concord. He then proceeded to argue against the clauses to regulate the intercourse of persons in holy orders with the see of Rome. The nature of the interests of the English and theJaish Catholics were not exactly the seine. He declared that the Irish Catholic clergymen were a most useful and respectable body—it was most injudicious to pass such restraining clauses regarding them. It was degrading them in the eyes of their own flocks. Was that judicious? He knew not how such clauses could get into this bid. 'file clergy of the Catholics were a must important body ; besides the numerous pi jests, there were four al clibishops, and gii bishops, What hope of a happy result could be antici pated from degrading such a body in the eyes of their flocks!' and that, he maintained, was the etTect of the clauses He denied that the Jesuits were established in England or Ireland; they were merely permitted for the instruction of youth. The above observations created considerable conversa tion, in which Lord CaYlleleitgli, Dr. Pitillimure, Mr. M. htsgerald, Mr. Canning, Sir Crew ge Hill, Mr. It. Martin, pt c. took part; but no plopusition was submitted by way of alnaltdinellt. 'lite house therefore eventually went ludo the committee, to consider the remaining clauses of the consolidated bill. . several of the clauses of the bill were agreed to with out ameuutnerkt, auJ °thee* butmtatitially adupled, uttl, some verbal all eratjuns. In the clause requiring a previous residence of one year In Ireland, to qualify a priest to take on himself the ei•ete rittictimis, an umetnimeut Was moved to snake it three yvaiS, Which was adopted. On the chaiLt relative to the nomination of bishops, Lord CASTLERILAGH proposed, that a notice of one mouth should be given to the Seets tary of State, by the perdu intended to he noti.inat ed, of his intended nosnina tion, and that he should not ears vise his tunCliOni till month attis his 110111111:16011. This antendun.ut, alai some desultory convormstioll, was adopted. 'the oilier clauses were agreed to; and Mr. FLLIS, declaring he cousidered this bill, as far as It was consideivil as a piotection to the established reli gion, as a voienin hunitiug, proposed, as an amendment, an additional clause, excluding Catholic priests limn seats in Atter some cocversation tbe clause was adopted. 'the lomat] ressuned, and the report was wilt led to be received 10-I$lll,llOW. _ _ . Ihe other orders wile dlvposed of, soil too home Adjuurowl ot twelve o'clo k. Toy asnAT, t retuioni rem ChbilctS in 3lnitlliex aril Norfolk, ptav in fin the iitiptNiioo of a -mall duty on the inipiatiltion ti flour, wore prevested. Mr. CU KW EN postponed ht motion re.pectlog thy Agri. cultural Horse Tis till.Apeil 1; • Mr. nu:m.l4W s petition from 2790 lA* neoplaining ut the injurg tiny ewt at..d by th snit odtk:tion ut THE NATIONAL ItEGISTER the Lithographic Press. &c. praying the House to adopt some measure to suppress such practice. Mr. notelet:lee said, lie could not tioppolt such petition ; he thought the petitioners had adopted the wrung course to obtain redrew,: but he lard deemed it his duty to present it.—Petition read, and ordered to lie on the table. Petitions were presented from Bristol snd Liverpool, against the corn averages bill. Mr. SYKES observed, that individuals on the faith of the existing law, had imported 700,0tt0 tourers of corn, at an ex • ;sense of 1,500,0001. ; and it woeld be bard and unjust to make any change in the laws without securing them from extensive loss. Mr. WESTERN maintained, that the individuals in question had no right to call on Parliament for peculiar protectioa ; the Parliament had to regard the general good, not the individual profit. Mr. BENNET (Wiltshire) denied drat the object of this bill was to advance the average—that it was only to prevent frauds. Mr. BARING observed, that this petition was of importance. He contended that the direct operation of this bill would be, to alter arid advance the averages—that was the fact, and they would prove it in a moment at Mark-lane. Tire Bill would have the effect of advancing the average price and no other. Mr. LUSHINGTON observed, that when his Right Hon. Friend brought forward the Bill to•morroe , he would be able to show that the measure was only to protect frauds, not to advance the average prices. Petition ordered to !icon the table. Mr. PHILLIPS presented a petition from persons engaged in the timber trade, praying for an equalization of the umber duties. MALT TBADE.—Mr. RARING presented a ertitbn from distiller=, nuatsters, and victuallers of Taunton, complaining of the mode of making malt. Mr. LUSHINGTON replied, that information had been re quired from particular parties on the subject. Petition ordered to lie on the table. BoNATAiler E.—Mr. HUME moved for returns of the expense of detaining Bonaparte at St. Helena. There were no regular returns to the (louse on this subject. He did not mean to question the policy of keeping Bonaparte at St. I felena, but he did not understand the advantage of our paying all these expenses single handed. Other Powets were interested in detaining Bonaparte yet they paid nothing. The expense was, judging from docu ments of fete, at least 415,0001. annually at St. Helena. He concluded with moving for returns accordingly of agreements with the East India Company, ships kept at St. Helena, expenses in the country on account of Napoleon Bonaparte, &c. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER had no objec tion to the production of the accounts ; but it was right to state, that it would be some time before they could be made up. 'f he expense, he admitted, had been very considerable. Motion agreed to. Sir R. WILSON protested against the detension of Bonaparte as most unjust and dishonourable. (A laugh.) Gentlemen might laugh if they pleased, but he spoke the language of every ge nerous and just man in Europe. (Further laughter.) He felt persuaded of this, and if ever France became tree, it would never submit to an individual who had occupied tire French throne, thus to be detained. Bonaparte lied voluntarily surrendered himself—he might have escaped by ether means had he pleased. The vessel had arrived safe in America:. Mr. CHOKER denied that Bonaparte had voluntarily sur rendered himself. Thenight before he surrendered himself, he held a Council of Safety; and seeing no chance of escape from our cruisers without battle, he had surrendered himself. Bona parte had been fairly hunted into the toils. Sir R. WILSON remarked, that he had forborne to speak o' the personal treatment of Bonaparte, but such treatment had been not only vexatious, but vulgar in the extreme. It was a stain upon the government of the country. lie came to us as Themistocles did to the Romans • he tepee ed to have learn treated with liberality ; but, inste ad of that, Ire had been cut off from all communication with Iris family, his .on, &c. Ma C. HUTCHINSON said lie could now speak out; and he condemned the conduct of this country towards Boimparte.— Besides this, England had countenanced the Continental Powers, who werepursuing the steps of Bonaparte. The Holy Alliar.ce, the union of despots, were detestable ; and Austria ought to be ashamed of the course she was pursuing. Ile thought it was most unwarrantable in our Government detaining Bonaparte under such circunestances.—Aectrunts ordered. Mr. HUME moved for some further accounts, speaking of the large sums that passed between the Government and tire East India Company, the former owing the latter upwards of 2ee00,0001. He did not complain particularly of the expenditure now—but lie complained of the expeneta not being laid before the House. Ile moved fur accounts of the seine debts to May last. The CIIANCEI.LOR of the EXCHEQUER hail no objec tion to the production of those accounts. As to the alletlgod amounts due to the Company, he apprehended it was extremely doubtful en which side the balance preporaterated. Mr. HUME hoped the accounts would prove this fact.— Accounts ordered. CATUOLIC REUTER BILL.—Sir J. NEWPORT moved that report of the Catholic disabilities removal bill Le presented. Mr. small appeared with the bill. Sir T. LET/11/RIDGE said, be should not trespass on the Hume; but he could not lose the opportunity of expressing his continued disapprobation of the Bills, wheat he now considered to be embodied In this report. ' Mr. IL MARTIN had no doubt that it would be equally sa tisfactory to the clergy and the laity. Mr. C. HUTCHINSON gave the most unqualified contra diction to the statement, that these bills would be satisfactory to the Catholic clergy. Mr. CHOKER proposed that there be introduced into the bill, power for his Majesty to make provision fur the Roman Catholic clergy. Lord CASTLEREAGH admitted the Importance of the sub. ject, arid dint it molted the consideration of the house) but he thought it was telviseable to propose its consideration now. It could not be fairly considered in such fonu—eit could eat (rely operate to retard that important inesun u e the success of which was of so much consequence; and he (the lion. member) there fore would have no teoection to withdraw the proposition fur the present. Mr. CHOKER, after sonic conversation had taken place, consented to withdraw Iris proposition. The report of the bill was afterward. agreed to; and the bill ordered to be read a third time on Monday neat, and to be printed. True Ea DU 'Ms....The twos: having resolved itself into a committee on the Timber Duties' Acts, Mr. WALLACE ruse fur the purpose of submitting his pro mised reeoluticue to regulate the colonial as well a. tire foreign timber duties i and in doing so Ira took u review of the "occultist interest. of the colonial umber trade. and the nth:iv°. 01st had led I. itst being favoured in the imposition of dirties less burden some titan whet selected the Foreign or Baltic timber trade, awl coneladed by *bovine rho following resolution That it is the of this ceinmittee that `rye preeent detie e and cuetoms on Unita!' should cease and &termitic ; anal that lire following duties should be intaosed in lieu thereof, via. Norway timber et "s• per logelaetttradieh. 41, iSse-areterehurglil et the same sum—ealettiel. if. its, ed. Alter a few eierervatitres frota Lord Althoree, Ma Slur-lett, Mt. Riearthe, and ranter, the reeolutien Wa. 4;444 10.—lieigit to marrow. Meru:nett. :44141 It 30, Tho filaalp Vatic* bill was ordered to be ocmaihtosl tit Monday. Ms. bLACKIiCaN picsculed m petition liuni the 9 . :.) Chamber of Conimetce, Manchester, against the Ctiru Averages bill. Mr. F. litthiNsON observed, that the Corn Averages bill *mild not have the elle which some anticipated. lie contended that it would merely have the effect of swing that the averages slionld be cot reedy taken; that there would be greater protection against the commission of fraud ; that, in fact, the bill W 714 really What it pur ported to lie. He complained of the attack merle on hint last night, for his absence; lie would have hero present had he not understood that the petition was not to be pre sented till the second reading. Petition read, and mitered to lie on the table. Mr. F. ItOllll5ON moved the scrund reading of the Corn Averages bill, fur the purpose of postponing it, and it was postponed till April 9. Tistnert BROGDEN presented the re port of the committee on the Timber Acts Duties. Mr. WALLACE moved that the bill be re-committed on Wednesday neat. Sir M. W. RIDLEY said, he shonld not oppose the mo• but he hoped that acquiescence in such motion would not be construed into approbation of the iestm lions. He thooelit that the right bon. gentleman, Mr. WaHate's, scan• of dillies had been taken too high, and that the proposed atritogrinent was calculated to injure the interests which it was meant to correct ; and he hoped to be able to wove that such was the case, when the sub ject again came before a committee. Report ordered to be re-committed on Wednesday. CRIMINALS DEFENCE DILL.—Mr. R. MARTIN moved the second r. ading of the bill fur allowing persons eliaiged with criminal offences to be defended by counsel. He maintained, that if prosecutors were allowed counsel, he could not see why prisoners should not also have counsel, for it was vain and groundless to say that judges were always of counsel fur the prisoner. Mr. J. MACIN FOSII seconded the motion for the se cond reading of the bill. , Sir J. MACINTOSH observed. that one of the benefi cial results of thr revolution was the obtainir.g of counsel by the state te of William, for persons accused of treason. That was as a shield against the power of government ; and if counsel were deemed beneficial there, how (meld they be otherwise where counsel were had to defend against a prosecution supported by counsel. The defence of counsel could not endanger innocent men—it could only expose guilty men; and Ise urged it would be en ad vantage to secure the conviction of guilty persons. The ATTORNEY-GENERAL opposed the bill. The inconvenience of the present system had not been esta blished; and he was there against the desired change. Mr. R. MARTIN replied. The motion was then negatived without a division. BRITISH Mcsetu.—Mr. LENNAKD asked when the estiotates regarding the British Museum were to be brought forward, as he should then have to submit sonic proposition , : regarding the admission of visitors He was desirous of knowing how many applications had been postponed ; and it there were any objection to such mo tion now, he would propose it on Monday. Sir L. LONG was not aware whether there would be any objection to the motion, but be would prefer the no tice being given for Monday. Notice entered accordingly. SUPPLY..—.ARKY.—The CHANCELLOR of the Err- CHEQUER moved, that the house go into a committee of supply. Mr. HUME ro=c, and moved a series of resolutions, by way of amendment, of the expense of the staff; the colonie s , &c. for 1792 and 1820, from which the advances were stated t be several thousands. Amendment negatived without a division. Mr. HUME said, he had not pressed fot the wow of the house on the last resolutions, Lecause errors in figures might warrant opposition; but the next resolution, he thought, ought to be seriously considered by the house—it was to pledge the house to a revision of the salaries of the several departments since 1797, they being raised, in consequence of the war, depreciation of the currency, &c. and to bring them down to a more just standard, uow that we were returned to a metallic currency. • Lord PALMERSTON said, that this proposition had nothing to do with the estimates—it was one of a general and sweeping character; and it ought to come forward for separate and specific consideration. Besides, the resolution affirmed, that the country had returned to a metallic currency—when such was not the fact. (A laugh and hear.) Mr. BAKING thought the resolution was most properly proposed ; it merely pledged the house to a revision of the salaris. He knew not how those who voted again-t the new malt duty, could honestly oppose this motion; how they could withhold the means, and vote for an extravagant tependiture. The CHANCb:LLOR of the EXCHEQUER could not think the house would agree to this sweeping resolution. Mr. 'l'. WILSON could not support the no-olution. A motion was made for the Speaker leaving the Chair, which was ultimately carried. The Speaker having quitted the chair, the house went into committee. Lord PALMERSTON proposed a vote of 117,0/07. f or t h e staff. Mr. HUME proposed as an amendment, that the sum should be fitmtool. but he afterwerde withdrew that amendment, and proposed yo,csol. Upon tilts amendment the committee divided, and the numbers were, for the atnenditient GI —Fur die, original motion LW—, Majority 55 misiust the amendment. On the resolution for greasing the sum of 23,3321. 13s. 10d. for the Soar of Ireland, Sir 11. PARNELL propose?. to reduce the grant to 10,4741. Atter some discussion the gallery was cleared tin a divisioo.—. The numbers were, tier the original sum, 110—For the emend. meat, 41—Majority in favour of the original grant 81. A second division took place whilst we were excluded, on a 'notion for reducibg the item 30001, but this was also negatived ; the numbers teeing, tor the amentimeut 66—m:dog it 131-- Majority 6h. Un the item for Urinating the sum of 11,0;41. for the office of Commander in Chief. fIUM I: said, in 11104, the experwe of tlfli °Mee was Y,tr.k%l. —in iwn. it was 7,41 ed as .—now it w 1-t.0401. lie would pus pose to reduce it to tYsistil. the sum granted in tear. Atter a few observations fruiu I Palmerston. the gallery saes cleared fur a diviiion, but nt, division took plea:. hs;seral oth e r motions for reduction were oleic by Mr. Hume, but they were nego:ieed witliout divisions, a nd the original re.u. lotlons being agreed oh the house resumed, the Cflait man having pregivss, the gantry wits wain cleared; when 2 iltrisost took Ocus. and the numbers were—For receiving the repsut uu Muriday—Ayes, ca—Nues, i la—:itoority, Pr. LUSH! NGIUNI hrthight up thy bill fbe excluding per. sons itterilig Judicial in lrelond flora sitting an the. House ofTouituous. Head a first time. Thu over ordors o (Ito day were tken disp.iss%l uf, And the Louie adjourned. i ..- I