The National Register. — London, England, 1816-04-08 00:00:00

I FRIDAY, APRIL R. ftt•l that was the gve:‘ , smart. of her evils. His r , minty there ore, would be to einSt , nil persons in Ireland, hizh and low, obedient to the Is w. Then. Wad It _resit error in the edme atlon of the Ir:sh : and hid was. (hut they nett not taught proper obe silence to their parents. Fur the peasant only corrected his son Av knockinz him ; that was his mode of h.:tent:lr him obe hience—( A 14:::4).—He instaier•el the jealousy of the Irish to wards the Pogiesli proprietors of land : e bee f the.e;, who lived on the Int e Earl of sehelbarne's estate, beim; lold that the Notdo Owner was a Fitzmanriee, said, " a Fitzenauriee ! What :ere they ?--Fellows that came in with Strongbow!"—This was the common expression of eneiteutpt of the ()Sullivan. and the o•Donagloies, who coasitimed themselves the aboriginal Irish people. The Earl of CITS ArtV 1N Supported, and the Earl of ST. Gas stasis oppos4 ti the mot Lord HoLL ND and LtSl , l CIA ttivti.cs supported the motion for a Committee. Lord SIDMOLTR °pivoted the motion. The Marquis of }kcal m; H The Home then di vided. Fur the motion it 13l.—Ms11ority 70. Adjourned at Hall-Not Two. . . [Wednesday and Thursday nothing of public interest oc curred.) MILIT %AY OBSTRUCTIONS IN Tun STREETS. The Earl of Essta called the attention of the House to an outrage offered to his person, in the avenues to Parliament. 1f complained that he nelg stopped in his carriage, by a soldier with a drawn stnyid, at the end of St. James's-street, who re fused to let him pass, and struck the louses with his swot d. This he considered not only a breach of privilege as a Pear of Parliament, but a proceeding dangerous to the freedom of the subject. The Earl of Litt:uprot. said, the object he had in view in placing soldiers mind the avenues of the palace wta only for the purpose of preserving order. Lord OREN MLitt considered the practice of placing the military at the Levee a dangerous proceeding, adverse to the constitution, and deserving of reprobation. The civil power, nanwly constables and magistrates, could only be employed, ' unless the peace was broken. The Loin CHANCELLOR was of opinion the civil power ought to be employed; yet he had no objection to see the soldier do the fluty of a citizen in preserving the peace. The Marquis of LILLIONCHA )1 asked the secretary of state for the Home Department, whether there would be a re currence of the interruption complained Lord Sinsiourst said, in consequence of what had passed yesterday, be telt it incinnbent on him to take care that civil officers in future shall be stationed in all parts of the town where the military are employed. After some further remarks from Lords Grey, Hollans. and Buckingham. the subject was disposed of, an assurance being given that the constables and magistrates are in future to be employed instead of the soldiery. Lord LANSDOWNE, after a speech of considerable length, moved for a return of the amended estimates for the service of the year, and after a lung debate, his motion was agreed to.— Adjourned. HOUSE OF COMMONS, MONDAY, APRIL 1. LORD ELLENBOROUGH. LordCoate ANS rose to present another charge against Lord Ellenborongh,which,lie obscrvcd,could not by any construction, be tortured into an implication of any of the other Learned Judges. The charge was delivered in. It accused the Noble Lord of partiality and oppression, in refusing to hear the noble Lord (Lord Cochrane), on applying for a new trial; and, with misrepresentations, inducing a false conclusion on his trial, in respect to the evidence given against him ; and by such misre presentations, impressing Mr. Justice Le Blanc with a wrong idea of the merits of the case, which led to the infamous and unjust sentence pronounced against Wm.—The Noble Lord moved, that the charge be printed. Mr. B. BATUURsT conceived that the charge went to incul pate Mr. Justice Le Blanc, who was accused of passing an tin iest sentence, thoirgh the Noble Lord had stated he did not mean to impugn the conduct of that Learned Judge. The Right Hon. Gent. then moved that the further consideration of the question be adjourned till Friday next. Agreed to. WAR MALT TAX. Mr. Lyrreivon asked in what manner the Right Hon. Gen tleman meant to dispense with the Malt-tax ; what drawback he intended to allow; endwise his general object was in giving relief? Mr. Vawarrranv observear, that a Bill was in preparation •n the subject. He had already stated, that the Maitsters would he entitled to the re-payment of the duty which they 'nay have paid for the stock in hand. In order to prevent the stagnation arising to the Brewers, an arrangement would be made also for taking an account of the stock in band, as in the farmer ease, np to the sth of July, so that they might be en abled to brew to that period ; when the War Malt duties would he repaid to them fur We whole of their present stock. Mr. CALVERT was afraid. that the Right Hon. Gent. had misled the House ; for be believed that lie wished the Brewer to brew as fast as he could, and lie would give him a propor tion of the War Malt-duty up to the rith of July; but it he did not brew at all, then he was hi lose the w hole of the duty on stuck in hand allowed to him. Mr. VANAITTART was disposed to enter into the question with every degree of liberality ; arranizernei.ts might be made I'r beer already brewed, as well as if the brewer contiuued to brew ap to tke Sth ofJuly. NAVY ESTIMATES. In the Committee, Sir G. WA Ith Rh DER moved, that a sum not exceeding 43,8641. Od. be granted fur ilka service of the Navy Pay Office for the present year. Mr. ISESINETT allotted 10 the office held by the Right Hon. Gent. (Mr. Rose) of Treasurer of the Navy ; and objected to the grant of 404101. a year for the pay of that Officer. The Noble Lord, he observed, had been compelled to withdraw the Army Estimates, to ntal a some reductions; and be saw no reason why, under the general distresses of the country, sonic reduction should not take place in the Civil Department of the Navy.—The Hon Gent. moved, therefore, to reduce the Trea surer of the Navy's salary to 20001. a .ear. Mr. Rose expressed his satisfaction at the manner in which the Him. Gi ot. had proposed the reduction. Ile did not ore au to say, that his labours were worth 4000 i. a year, but lie wished to observe that at the Revolution the Treasurers of the Navy had looin. a year, to which office 14:111 attached many perqui sites : but in order to reduce these profits, an .elilition of 20001, a year was made in lieu of them. Now, he did .10it see why he Sit. mid be ni de the mark flu reduction, nor would i, be im puted to him that lie clung to office. gstead of its being an office otlistte troonie, he had to assure the House that he had •ften becu up two hours before day-light to attend to the +HE NATIONAL REGISTER. coneeras of I:is office, which acre far from being of a trilling nature. Mr. 11.:Nti tTT wee not aware what occuputions the Right Hon. Gent. had inked with the duties of this office, for he had rainy orcupations • but he /nest say, that one hour in the day as he was informed, was sndieuent to dischatge the duties of 'freseurer of the Navy. With respect to lime other dines in the naval departments, he should move to reduce them in r int of emote:neut. But, however, he supposed the Right Heu. Gent. (amid not object to receive 30001. a sear, and then proposed that aunt instead of 10001. Mr. Rant:EVE was in favour of the reduction; not from any personal feeline towards the Right Hou. Gentleman, but time a conviction [hid retreuchineut in every possible way was ne cessary. Mr. Rosy Stilted, that the Clerks iu his Office entered at sa laries of 781. they were tea years in the office before they rose to 991. and must be in the office a long life before they obtain ed a salary equal to what the lion. Creitt. (Mr. Barclay) gave his principal clerk. Mr. 'lnnstesoe paid isms linnonrable testimony to the public character of Mr. Bose ; wl.l, he said, had always been the steady friend and protector of the lower classes o people; and, he believed, a valuable public servant. He wisi.ed teat the Right Hon. Gent. would complete his character and fame, by relinquishing now a sum of 10001. a year out of his salary as an example to others. The fortune of the Right Han. Gent. could well enable him to do this, and his example might have great effect on others. Mr. Ross: was creatly olffiged by the flattering manner in which the Hon. Gent. had spoken of him; unit he might be in duced to follow the Hun. Gentleman's advice ; hut that lie had, on one occasion, Liven up a salary of 10001. in hopes that others would have fo llowed his example, but not a single person had dour so—( //sae, hem.) • Mr. Love Mr. %misses! and Mr. MARRIOTT Were against any reduction in the salary of the 'Freasurer of the Navy. Mr. PRESTON supported the Amendment • and urged the advantages which would arise from an example set by so old and honourable a servant of the Public as the Bight Hon. Gentleman. Mr. HANKES was against making advance in salaries; the state of the country would not admit of it ; but he was equally averse to reducing the salaries of ()them, vv ho fur 30 years, had performed the duties of their office in a most efficient manner. After a few words from Mr. Forbes, Mr. Bennett, Mr. Mar riott, and Mr. Findley, a division took place—For the Amend ment 01—For the original motion nti--Mlajority .1,,. On re-admission into the gallery, we Muni( Capt. PELLEW speaking. He was calling the attention of the Committee to the hardships suffered by sailors on foreign stations, owing to the system which at present existed 01 keeping back their pay whilst on foreign stations. This measure, he understood, was intended to prevent desertion, but he was well convinced that it had a contrary effect, and that the hardships and imposi tions to which the men were thus subjected, caused very fre quent desertions. He did not blame Ministers fur this system, it existed long before they came into power, but he did now recommend to them, as a time of leisure had arrived, that they would turn their attention to the subject. Sir G. HOPE was persuaded that the men did not consider the system which at present evicted as a hardship. The gene ral desire of men to aerve abroad was a proof of this, and many men to his knowledge declare that their desire to go abroad arose from the very circumstance of having all their pay to re ceive on their return. He was so well convinced of the policy of the present mode of paying the seamen on foreign stations, that he should oppose any attempt to alter it. Capt. PELLEW repeated what he had before said. He had known men when abroad, take up slops, and other articles of that description, of the Purser on account, for which they had been charged a pound, and which they immediately sold for hulf-a-crown, to buy themselves soap and other necessaries; and thus he had known mere after being abroad 13 or 14 years , on their return, not have more than three or four years pay to receive. He should not propose any milieure, lent should sug gest that Commissioners slosald be Repoitited to pay the men whilst on foreign stations. Mr. Fon BES was in favour of the plan suggested by Captain Pellew. He could assure Ike Committee that the hardship sustained by the Officers was even greater than that telt tiy the common men. He had himself knowll instances in which the Officers had been under the necessity of paving 25 and 30 per cent. for the discount of tills whilst .111 the India station. Capt. WALDEGRAVE Wall also of opinion that the present existing system was one of very great hardship, and one which called loudly for alteration. Mr. Rose considered the plan proposed by the Hon. Captain (Pellew) as impracticable. It could only be done by a regu lar establishment oa every station. He was ready to acknow ledge with that gallant officer that it would he a very desirable object to have the men furnished either with pay or necessa- Admiral MARRWANI was desirous that some plan should be adopted for paying to seamen and officers part of their pay. He had known instances in his ship, where officers draw ieg for 251. in the Mediterranean, had received only Is:. or 151. Mr.Citimee contended,thaianv change of the present system would be to the disadvantare •/t' the officers, as, with the ex ception of the year 1810, the schange had been always in fa vour of the ()Meets of the Navy, Mr. BARING said, this was surprising ; as, if the lion. Secre tary's statement was correct, officers must have conte.ved to draw en terms much more advantageous than merchants could do. Mr. W. Wye vs remarked upon a sem of 17041. for messen gers, fire-lighters, porters, &c. Some of these received a salary of stol. The commissioners had recommended that no messenger should have more than 1001. Mr. Banta:nest wished for some further expiatiat'on on the subject of the Foreign Exchange, which the Hon. Gentleman said had always been either at par, or fasoetable to this country whilst, in all the enquiries before the. Bullion Committee, it was stated that the Eel Mange was against its. Mr. HASIMERSI.Y and Mr. LYTTLETON, of their own know. ledge, were able to state, that in the Mediterranean, in 11:109 and 1810, Exchange was front 20 to 25 per cent. against the officers. Mr. YORKE defended the statement of Me. Croker. Sir J. P. Beet:stoup believed the sailors would be very sorry to be paid almond, and not lime any towie% when they came home. He hail never Nerd may sailor aesh Mr p.% I abroad. Such a plan would moiler the men diseontet.t. d. ming officers might entettain an eptidon that this a veld be acceptable to the mien, whereas it would render them dis satisfied. Mr. FORDRS, and Sir R. C. Faenueon contended, that the navy should be put on the Saline footing with the ..tiny, as to the rates of foreign exchange operating on their pas abroad. Lord Cess LLISE.AGII Said, regular partile•ters accompanied the arm abroad; but that was nut we case with the fleet; APRIL 8. and theretine if the Home should adopt this plan, they mist eatabliA uew ()diets. The question miss theft pat, that a mini of 43,5641. I ts. 11(11. should be grunted, to dethly the expence of salaries and con tingencies in the nos e. Mr. 'AI st-rist moved au amendment on the centingencies, by !raving out 7.•001. front them. as the Secretary of the Admiralty had not yet produced the proper accounts on that part of the estimates. Ou this Amendment the House divided. For the Amend ment, 57; tistaivst it, 133—Majority ge. The own of 4:1,1951. its. dd, was then voted to defray the salaries and contingencies in the vietimiling-Alice. Sir 0. WAR lerNern Then moved a sum of 27,3331. 12s. 241. for the °thew of Deptford yard; which was agreed to. He then moved a sum of 32,0001. for the expences of Woolwich dock-yard. Mr. Tian NEY contended, that a Cominlssioncr was not want ed uow ill that yard, with two boat~' errs s, &r. Sir O. WAnn►:r:ns.R maintained, that a Commissioner was necessary to be established in that yarn permanently, in order to check the ecorm..ittyloss of naval store s. Admiral Marts-use was of opinion, that this Commissioner could nut cost the country much less than 20u01. a year, ex elusive of his house. The sum was then voted.--45,0001. was then voted fur Chat ham-yard; 25,4021. for Sheerness-card; 60,755 i. for Ports. moutli-yard; 42,4321. fur Plymourh-yard; 67941. fur the Oat ports; 574421. fur the Foreign-yards. Mr. DARING contended, that there were mote increases in the salaries of our officers in the foreign dock-yards. The surveyor of timber fur Nova Scotia was un airless ollire, as there um always a provincial surveyor in all parts of our North American possessions. Sir G. WAu:a►.auan nedcrstnoil that this officer regularly corresponded with the Navy Office, and was assiduous in pre serving the timber tit fur the navy. Nun. Itarimet ilti n moved a sum of 117,0001. for the of liters of ships in or diva, y. He then moved 132,6111. fur victualling the ship-keepers and men of the v easels is ordinary. Mr. IlAnisio said, that then• was an appart nt excess of 40,0901. on this charge, which certainly terpured explanation. In 1203 the own were victualled ar. Is. a man; bat by these estimates they arc charged at is. bd. a man; so that the excess of this was 40,9561. over that of the i.reveeding year; and vet provisions of every kind wire NI, touch Chet - apes, that there should be a di' ll ill utiun of our-hat: instead of au increase of one-half. Mr. CRoaER thought this a case requiring explanation, and capable of being folly explained. The chlorites of the former years were wrong, and would cot meet with the exigencies of the service. The Admiralty had now brought the proper es timates fully before the House. For t 6 years bertat. MM, there was nu tlifihrener in the estimate, 13 ills respect; hot Mr. Pitt then made the estimates be corrected to what they ought really to he stated at. In 1806, the berbour estimate was at Is. and Is. 4d. while the sea escheats nas maised to 2s. 4d. per diem. But now the Admiralty had made out a minute and genuine estimate, such as should have been produced in 1606. At present the sea victualling was L. Lid. and that of the harbour was Is. 6d. a mall per diem. After some further observations, the motion was agreed to The following sums were then voted:-112,149 for harl,our moorings, Ac.; 36,6801. for repairs of ships;• and 1,170,3411. for half-pay to officers, widows' pensions, &c. Capt. PELLEW noticed the distinction between the widows' pension in the army and navy. Mr. Cramer( stated, that the widows of naval officers, if they went on half-pay, obtained their pensious—not so *Wows of army officers in similar circumstances. The following sums were then voted:- 72,7001. for the Superannuated List 2,163,513 for repairs of Ships of War ♦79,156, fur provision for Garrisons, &c. 61,303 for Salaries of Transport Office 1,111,011 for Service of Transport Office 112,904 fur Sick and Hurt &sawn 65,820 fur Prisoners of War 2,100 for Superannuated Clerks. The Report was then received.—Adjourned at Half-past Two. TUESDAY, APRIL 2. A petition was presented from the county ofKent, complain- Ing of the distresses of the Agricultural Interests, and praying same relief against the oppression of tythes. Lord Lascelles presented a petition from Leeds, Wakefield, and Tadcaster, against the imposition of a duty on Rape-seed, as injurious to the 14 oollen Manufacturer. Mr. Chaplin moved for lease to tiring in a Bill to amend the Act passed in the last Session for levying County Rates.— Leave given. Read a first time. Sir 3. Shaw presented a petition from the Ward of Cripple gate, praying fur retrenchment in the public expenditure, IR order to give effectual relief. They did not require such re trenchment as would tarn out of employ a number of ordinary clerks, but such as would give permanent relief, and would only touch the higher departments of the State. SAVING RANKS. Mr. Rose obtained leave to bring in a Bill te encourage Sa ving Banks. The Right Hon. Gent. observed, that, from the want of a means of depositing their overplus cash, many were often induced to waste their property in drunkenness and die sipetion ; so that, in the hour of distress and necessity, they lisle no other resource to Hy to for relief except tilt poor-home. To the Gentlemen of Edinburgh and Bath much praise was due fur having set 011 lOW this subject kSaving Banks). If the House would ror a moment look at the importance of this mea sure, it would be seen, that in the course of a few years, a la bouring man laying by Is. per week, would have a small ca pital to make himself comfortable. He stated, that in his own county, a labourer, having only lbs. per week, had accumulated. at the age of 33, not less a sum titan 1001.! He hoped Gentle men in their neighbourhoods, and those at the head of manu factories, would exert themselves to encourage a disposition fur Living in those under them. It would Mime into the minds of the common people, a spirit of independence, and make them better men and better subjects. The money, he ob served, raised by Nor , ' Rates within the last year was his millions sterling ; and yet the poor were not one lit better off than they were in the year 17;8, at which time the sum was only 1,800,0001. The Rigbt lion. Gent. then moved fur s Bill to protect the Saving Banks, Tuom rut m esl ressed his obligations to the Eight Hon. Gent. for his exertions in favour of the poor, am! he :banked him for bringing in the Lid to !civilize Benefit Societies. He hoped the present Bill would united ildfiliioll2l Idol. H• suggi sled, that it should he made us simple ;is possible ' for the eontr.lexity of the measure had alarmed and palm, d the exer tions qt iris friends in Yorkshire. VANSITTART N as happy to state that 114Pre could not be a buoject more de<e•rving of !molie at"! parhainettlar:. 11°14 Whatever tended to excite a 'Olt of indepetattue.