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210 of c as rceouirmetttled by the Report of 'the ll:ase of• Common:? _ The F.:111 of Liven TOOL said, that though this measure was founded wen) the Report of the Commons, it did not follow that the Report must have been strictly adopted hi all its Farts. It was n.. 1 practicable to brief: in all offices intended' to be abolished in the present Bills, particularly certain offices is Scotland, upon which a measure vas in contemplation, re spect log which, however, he should's:ay nothiug, until it was iiitroduced regularly before the Breese. In Ireland. too, there were - several offices, the abolition of which would be impossible in the piesent Session. The Earl of Li eat".)ct. then pi oi-ceded to enter upon the question that the House should go lino a Committee, begin ning with one of the Bills then on the table. He s hould however treat the subject generally. He should begin by !chewing the difference between the present measure -Odell he supported, and the former A bohtion which he opposed. The Bills brought up at different times were in principle objectionable. They included a:I sinecures it) one sweeping Bill, without explaining what they meant by a siuecure, and joined with those offices others of a most important and even judicial character. The fit ncr Bid vas Lull of absurdities. The Presideut of the t:oancil was joined with the Auditor of the EXclivepier, and the Keeper of the Great Seal with the Clerk of the Pelts. In the Bills before their t.iese incongruities were avoided, and they were so framed that the Crown had effee toalllWHlls provided for it to reward politic service. It was said, tint it would affeet the aristocracy. The fact wa:, that a wound to any branch of the State wider our constitution was felt by the allele; but it appeared to him that it would affect the demociatie, not the aristocratic interests of the country, if the means of legitimate influence wore taken from the (71'1M.11. Withoitt this mode of rewai ding public service, such men as Mr. Pelham (to speak only of the dead), Mr. Ceorge Grey% ille, the two Mr. Pitts, the ancestors ef two Noble Barons not then in their places, and his late lamented friend, Mr. Pereeval, v cold probably neverhave been enabled to devote their talents to the sect ice to the State. In this country the emolements of the higher offices were not equal to the necessary expenditure. III: could give as an example, the situntiou ti fled by himself. Ile should strongly condemn a provision for public service by the vote of Parliament, even fer is proinseness. The extent there, would be unlimi ted, and lead, from personal motives and individual importer. nity, to inealenlable abuse It would be impossible to tie the hands of Parliament, whereas by leaving the disposal of re v. ards for public service to the Crown, the whole length to vs :deli it is impossible to go was distinctly flunked out, and exercised by Ministers under their official responsibility. ft was a great mistake to suppose that the exchequer entices were slut-cm-es. They were offices of account :nut coutroul, and therefore unfit to be held by political persons, the rettnlations in the measure whieh he proposed, these offices would be put Oil their proper footivz. The truth of th s was clear b - tut the fact of Lord Great ins having been at the same time Andttor of the Eseoequer and First Lord of the Trea sury, the former of which was intended to be a cont rout upon the latter Another strong IT:1.011 for this change was the great prepare against those otticCS, thollFh those who pos• tossed them had been most liberal and public spit 'led. Whilst these advantages wet e cained there was no invasion of the salutary rights of the Crown. His object was, that the Crown s'ronitl reward public service by pensions, where it had hitherto done that by the grant of offices. The public would be a great gainer by this made, rather than by Portia- Mentary grants even in this respect—that a general regulation of 30301. a year to all those who tilled certain offices, %%mild in clude even those whose private fortunes did not require it ; whereas the Crown would coact- a pension with a regard to the private income of the individual. If he v ere net fully satisfied of the utility of this measure in evru respect, he should be the last person to give it his support. As soon as Earl of Liverpool-conclivieit, the LORD (711ANs cee.Lort announced that the Royal Assent was to be then given to several Bills, by commission. The Royal Assent Was accordingly given to the Habeas Corpus Suspension Bill, the Post•horse Duty Bill, the Anteri-' ran Trade Bill, and Irish Forfeited Recognizance Bill. The Commisioners were the Earls of SHAM:BUR Y ItOwAY and the Lon is CDANCELLOR The question upon the Civil Offices and Abolition and Com pensation Rill was rued resumed. The Earl of I.m:dent:Lime was surprised that the Noble Earl should support what in IBI•2,161.3 and tell he had op posed. It was said by the Noble Earl that they were differ ent. The report of the Commons, in its second paragraph, said the measures now and then were the 'rime.—(Hear Hear,)—These offices were as unlit for political men in 1313 as now, and as to any odium, did the Noble Earl look to the odium east upon them by the Meeting in Spa-fields. The real secret of this Bill was, that it came from a party in the I louse of Commons which had a sort of neutral character, a eery respectable party he liciieved. That patty nose %%ki t ed to slide into a little popularity, and this measure had been ) ielded to them for their support on other questions. The Earl of HARROWnif, contended, that the Bill now tiefore the /loose essentially differed from thme ct forint r ears in mole and catent The only change in this Bid, in espect to the influence of the Crown, was, that it changed thb manner in winch it was practitionary exercised, whereby the public feeling was gratified, and, on the same time pi ri per means provided for the reward of meritorious public remise. It was tthjecteal that this measttre was a cote cession to clamour out of doors ; this he denied. The impolite opinion indeed turned the balance, and lie thought it tight that e hen the opinions of punhe men were nearly tomtit, thou the voce of the people might be cum tilted, and acted upon.—(Beer, Hear!) Lord REUESUAt C Objected to the measure. He said, that it would give to tUture Ministers too much of the influence ♦shich ought to belong to the Crown. Lord A nels rave Ministers fell credit for the goodness of their inteutions in brioging forward such a Bill as this ; at the same time he conceived that it would go to deprive the Crown of its constitutional patronage. The offices about to be abelished were tee only means which the 't °vertigo lead of connecting with himself persons of high With and and distinction in the kingdom. There were many noble mint , sustained by such offices end raised again by theta from deai esses, iuto which the accidents of the times [night have plunged them. He did not know how their Lord•hips could request the Prince Regent's coilsent to u measure which would take away so much of the influence exercised by has "•'her. Toe C0met...1,4d Bill curtained a graduated scale w t h oi fact left no will to the King, and would b scum considered as ari •ht. Under these impressious the 1, . .sae tecr•tve his consent. !..rrt rn..e!: suit, 111,0 there was a vast difference be. • f, ~,, • -hy and a Itconlil4,, and this' THE NATIONAL nnusTurt. espression, to give it splendour. Tie offices in wiestion were necessary to be iiresersed, in orcer to lamidi taose or -11,1111V1115, and be for one could see why lii:1 should sutler itself to he, as it wile, besieged by the other—that the sante Dill shookd be sent op over and over again, until ut lesigth they were in soon' manner forced to yield. But in tLe contest the Crown would lose much of its infbienCV, and would descend limn that situation in which the Constitetion had placed it. The pensions create el as a euntpensatiou ratite not (ruin the Crown, but from the House of Commons, a circumstance which would vitally injure the balance established between the King and the people. Lord 13.mtuu5T eNpressel his surprise that any of the Noble and Learned Lords should have advanced su^it doc trines, as went in fief to disconnect Ministers with the Crown. it was sahl that the Cruwtr would lose it's na tural pationaze ; hut it should hr remembered that there W:l4 no act of the King fur which seine Nlinis:er was not revpon• slide, and in that respect it was unconstitutional to separate the Minister frost the sovereign. It was said also that the Compensation Bill alln•wtd 110 election to the Crown. He granted that the twi:lthur of iwmions wa.; limited, but it was clear that fey these pensions there t‘onlil be several candi dates duly qualified to receive Olin, and the choice among the se would entirely rest in the will of the Sovereign. The question was then put—That the House do go into a a Committee on the Civil Oakes Compensation Dill. Adjourned. TUESDAY, Just, 1. The Irish Fisheries Bill, the Irish Prisons Bill, the Inn keepers !Lacs Bill, aid thi, Comity Rates Bill, were brought up from the Commons, and read each a lust time. • The Mahe. of Or.otret:sTau prey , ented a •pt'tition from the University of Cambridge, agaiobt the Tithe Leasing lli Ordered to He on the table. The English, Irish, and Scotch Exchequer Offices Bills, were read the third time, and passed. CLERGY RESIDENCE RILL. The. Archbishop of CANTERBURY, on moving the second readinz of the Clergy Residence Rill, observed, that the pre sent nu astire was the same in principle, and almost in detail ss ith !hot wl - dch had been introduced in tlu• course of Me last Session. The main object of it matt to consolidate into one Art, the provisions of the several Acts of Parliament re specting clergymen holdiaz tai ins on tht ir benefices, and providing for the maintenance of stipoudary -curates. 'rho Itill was read a , econd time. '1•b: Irish tiheritlis•ollice Bill ivas read the third time, and passed. APPOINTMENT OF sut.airrs IY IRCLAND. The Earl of linNtinecitsiong submitted a very Inn(; re solution to House. which he wish^.l to he consitleitil as a re cord Gt . his opinions on the important question of the ap pointment of heuitri. It eruhraced a wide field of argunieni aril strongly contended for placin4 the choice of Sheriffs in the hands of the twelve Joke. instead of leaving it in the power of a single going Judge abuse prejudices may in fluence him in the nomination. Fail of Liverpool cpposed the resolution, on the ground that no partiellbr muse had been stated, and after a few Vtorili from the Erni of DostamorimonE in reply, the Revolution wag 'ejected without a division. In the Committee on the SaA Mg hanks Rill, Lord REOES. DMA: proposed several amendineuts, which were ordered to be token into consideration on that day three months. The Committee on the Irish Saving hanks Bill was post potted to that day three months.—Adjourned. WEDNESDAY, Jvtv 2. Lord num): E presented a petition against the employment of chimney climbing buys, and in titsour of the use of ma eliinery for that purpose, which was ordered to lie on the table. LUTII CALF:non prevented a petition from certain inha bitants of Voe county of Donegal complaining of the cruelty with which the distillery laws were enforced in that county. !trail and ordered to lie on the table. The Naval Oaths Regulation Bill was read a third time and passed. The English and Irish Exchequer Bills, Smuggling Prevention Bill, Irish Cunt), ie . ': Importation Bill, Irish Stuck IVaii.-fer Bill, were brought up from the Cuummus, and read a first time.—The paper Duty Drawback Bill, County Rates and Army Prize Bill, were read a remind tiute.—Adjuurned. THURSDAY, Jur.v 3. Lord MoNTronT wished to know from the noble See7etnry for the Home Department, whether it was true that Brock. Pelham, and Power, who were funnd guilty of a most atroc;- ons offence some months since, had re•cived the.ruyal pardon. Lord SIDMOUTiI said, they were stlll wider sentence of death. Their cases were broil:lit before his Royal Highness, but upon grounds which he could nut at present explain, they still remained. ADOLITIOM RILLS. fh Earl of LIVCR POOL liaviiig;;ed the third reading of the English Exchequer Offices Regulation Bill. The Earl of LAUDERDALE maintained that these fills went to introduce a mm e expensive mode of rewarding pui,Le service than that which e:.isted mlct . the A. Stim of sits• cures. 'l•he Marquis of I, thrnows observed, that under them. Bills compensation, instead ol• being given w her” set , ler, were pet Ihnnettoa as given where they were not performed. The Bill waNthrn read the third time. The Marquis of LA NSI/OWN moved, by way of rider. that thn• words, " provided that nothing in that Art should a (li•ct offices dialing pleasure." 11/hieh on licing.put, w«s tejtcled without a di% isiim. the r Al:elition Bills were then read the third time, and passc,lo—.ldjuttrued. FRIDAY, JuLy 4. - - - - -• The Apnea: Cause of Sir Franeis Burdett against the late Speaker of the H(111$(5 of Co/willows, and the Serjealit at Arm,, was fixed for Monday next. The Chug itable Institutions Bill, the Welch Coal Bill, the Santa Debts Amendment Bill, and the Chinch 131,1, were brought up frum the Commons, and read a tiriq Unit . The Exchequer Bills Bills, the Ti einint) Bill, and the Coin Importation Bill, went ii ongli the Cumuli! ties. The Irish Eleetion Bill was read a time. The Report of the Committee on the Clergy Rehidenee *as brought up and agreed to, and otdrsod to be read the third time on Monday. Rat% Bai was read the third time, awl :d. JULY 7. HOUSE OF COMMONS. NIONDA V, A:NE Tic r. n AVIS presented a petition from the Corporation of tot a o taiost C crap!oyment of cliusbing boys.—liwtt and Lid on the tab_ Mr. Serjeant Owstow moved the order of the day to the further consideration of the report on the Usury laws Repeal Bill. Mr. CALC AFT cont.:n(lrd that sufficient time had nut been given for the consideration of this important question. Si: 11. I'ARN ELL supported the Bill. General MITCLIELt. said the object of the Usury Laws was to pre vent every knave preying upon fools, and he should therefore nicv!t that the firtlicr proceedings on the Bill should take place that day three months. Lerd CASTLEREACILI thought it would be advisable to postpone this nic7sure till next Session. Mr. Serjeaut Owstow expressed his willingness to concur in fLis suggestion. Atr. LIARINO said that a Bill on the principles which had been sn forth by the lion. and Learned Gentleman ttisely regulated ir. details, be a great advantage to all classes of tradespeople. Ti., measure. however, was an important ouc, anti lie aas glad to hour rh:,t it was to be postponed for the prtse:A. The Amendment was then put and at, , rce.l to. General GASCOIONE presented a petition from Liverpool aga:nst sups ions the Excise Licences Bill, now before the &tome. Mr. 11....n0tav contended, that the proposed r,•gulatiuns would impose an addi:onal burthen on pubhcm:s, contrary to the pledge pen by the G-..ivernment, that no ucw burthens should be laid upon any class of subjects. Mr. CAL v EltT and Mr. PIIOTIIE no E spoke against thc Bill. • The CHANC-LLOROI the EXCllEgutat wished the publicans to have a fn.! opportunity of laying their case beore the house; but whether all their objections could be obviated in the present Session was, in some degree, doubtful. Ile had had frequent communications with persons interested, before the resolutions were passed en which the Bill was founded, and he was led to believe that there could be no difficulty in the way of the measure. Mr. SHAW admitted that it was quite fair that the tax en pall cans should be regulated by the amount of their business ; but •;) is was a tax on the poor and not on the rich, for thesesegulation et they were called, were in fact a tax, which the fhb, whemight chLain their supplies from the wholesale dealer, would elude, while the po•r would hare to pay a higher price for be , r and spit:L., in cut. equt:..c of the additioml burthen laid on the retailer. The petition was then laid on the table and onkred to be print, il. Mr. D. DAVIS presented a similar petition front the publicans and brewers of Bristol. Mr. CALYxtur could not help saying, that the Bight lion. Gen tleman (the CiraneAtor of the E\cuequer) had not acted with his usual canuour on the Subject of this utx.—lterul, and laid on tic table. General !WWII presented presented a similar petition froze Casa btid,;,e.—Laid on the u.ble. Mr. AUERCROMME has put on' his motion on the Droits of the Admiralty, till next 5.5...0n. '1 he report of the Irish Grand Juries Piesentruent lliii was th,n taken hit° further consiueration. Ste F. FLoou objected .o tie. Bill, because many of its enactments were inip.oper, anti they pioposed to mate new offices to the amount of 16,nuoL a yc. z, at a time wow one half of the popui.twn was star: ink Mr. V. FITZGERALD said, he should propose several dames on the third reading, which would oMiate some objections that had been urged it. .Nlr. ABERCROMBIE defended the Bill. Sir G. limb said the old system had done roach good. though them were undoubtedly some impertections in it. lle moved an amendment, that instead of now, the report be taken into ebasidtra tion on treat day three mooed!;. Several Metubers spoke lot and against the Bill; the motion for its recommitment, slid toe amendment, were withdrawn; and the .Bill ordered to be reemuntitt.d on Wednesday. COMMITTEE OF SUPPLY. The Hon.e then resolved is elf into a (oininittee of Supply. Sir G. 1N wiIIIENDEIt rose to move for certain sums for defraying Naval gervices. lie then moved that the sum of 1433,3001. Le granted for defraying the espences of the ordinary establishment of the Navy for seven month:, commencing the ith of June 1b17. Agreed to, Sir GEORGE then moved, to grant the sum of 610,8251. for the extraordinaries of the Nosy for seven inunths.—Agreed to. The next sum moved :or was a glatat a 300,0001. for provisions fee the use en troop., transports, &c. Mr. Rost: made sonic reuerks on a petition presented on a former evening, imin a person named Dennis Sullivan, in x•lii,:qt I.e complained of ale conclua of the Treasurer e.f the Navy ; when ti;, inan hod called on Min - cspecting some prize -money due to hint a, a sailor, lie (Mr. Rose) went to the agent, and caused the prize-moncy due to him to be paid. lie then compbilica that the sum of :a. CAL was kept back. On inquiry it appeared that this seen had been de ducted for fees, postage &c. At the sante t ime S u lli van sa id l ie WAI defrauded of 4s. a nd lie wanted to have the agltita Medi:laze. ; indeed they were pretty well overhaid.d. for he (Mr. Rose) had two of them now in prison for det'uniciing tailors. In this case, however, there was no foundation fur any complaint. The iesolution was agreed to. The following skims were then voted: —7,t 4-2:. for improving Ito lyhc.ed harbour; 4501. for making a landing place at llolyhei.d icr the 'flails; 20,0001. for the Holyhead roads; 8,951 i for defraying various charges of miscellaneous peinting. On a resolution being _moved for grunting 40,0001. for defraying the extraordinary expences of the gold coinage for the year 1L17. Mr. Pottsois askA, whether i: was the intention of Ministerf. rest Session, to put the currency of Great Britain and Ireland on en equal footing The CHANCELLOR of the Excirtg I.En answered, that means shetdd be taken to bring about a reform in the currency of shillings in lrelaod. But he could not say whether it would be possible to assi milate the whole of the coinage of the two countries. The sum was then voted, a, also 6001. for certain annuities. The next resolution was, to grant a sum of 230131. for maintain ing and repaiting tke Forts on th e Co ac t o f At tica . Th e vote was agreed to, as w e r e (Tie follms fog : For the Board of Agricithure, 30001.—Far the &au:Mailed Mi litia of England, 207,0001.—Ditto tor Ireland, le4,s!M.—Report to-morrow. On the motion of Mr. AnnUTIINOT, the Cnmmittee on the ped• tion - reenesting a gmut of money to repair Lyme ilegis Harbour', was rei'ived. Mr. CM/KEA obtained Icave to bring in a Bill to settle the share of Prize Money, limits of the Admiralty, and Bounty Money, be longing to Greenwich Hospital. The-Marylehone Rectory Bill was mail a third time and passed. The pre..eudings on the ether enders of the day were arrested tile sudden indisposition of Mr. Pomonby, and the !louse atl,muned. TUESI).A I', Jer.Y I. The Made Winos Duties Repeal MIL the Si-Pfeil Win,!oto Tax Redemption Bill, the bill for regulzti ink; the t'i.yittettt of Prizes to Naval (Hikers and Sailors, and the Bill tor reg-alating the issue and managetn•nt of Naval Storei, were each read a tint time. Tneeoutity Rates Repeal Rill ll' Ka read the third time, and passed. - - EXTENTS IN UI). Mr. W. SMITII presented a petition from Lionel Self. I,:sq others, assignees of I laycock, a bottkrupt in Not tolk, relative to the inconvenitnetes wising to met cantik persons and tradesmen, horn the effect of the present system of grantin ,, Extents in hid, particularly ex emplified tinder circunhtanees stated in the petition.—Rend s and o rdrted to be primed. f,,, , r1414'hy end a Ittptil)l;r, and this he•inK a The Inukeepcia ,11:c-riirec; u utur.Jcr of orn:twei,t,, ;1 he trillit aac passed.--Adjoniuci