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16i 9nipertal Oarliattunt. H0U74 , . OF Olt 1)'. MONDAY, MAT NI. GRAMPOUND DISFBANCIIISEMENT BILL. The Earl of LAUDUROALF. rose. on the mler tin- going into, comniittee on this bid, and observed, that lie did not mean to oppose it in that stage, if it could' be made applicable to the justice of the case. The LOW) intimated, that he could never agree to the bill, unless it came out of the committee in a very clitferc t shape. The house then went into the committee. The Earl of LIVERPOOL, objected to the worth in the pre amble, which sent to disfranchise all the voters of the borough of Grampoun , l, and proposed an amendment. The I.OItD CHANCELLOIt observed, that econsling to his union of corporation law, and the right of corporator- to return inenthers to Parliament, this bill even with the amnulment. could not paws lie could not bring him-eli* to thirds a consi derable Nimbler of voters for tier h,. r , u}.fl ~,, to he 41Wi..nr'0 , , , t1 for on crime. 111. ;01 •I V I. ` .., 111% .n '..• t i ne V I I inn by the .• , ..i:. • I. • I • lOU' , • F• • •• i!i. • .. •• •: • I, ••• ." i • • , II th e .1 , r i. k • 411 .• ' • b , • • . • r t. I. Of I. s 'I • ' • • .1 • , i • ll' r C • ih I 4 • .! 1 . :1 I .) C • A • • ~61144 t." s, zr- w~ ~~i s waj . ,~,.. ._ t•rit on the ••.. r Nl' equerell . g 0•, 101 I Nt.l proceed tugs • •. lit , •" • h.• C/F1'14.74 T itlf.L.--The tepott of env .i , stanesiixeme•lk bill, after sonic cctivci . • (I, the sen..n , lntelitsaltreed t o , and lb. big us.l. .• 11 • u• titi uu Than- • ;. : '1 ).• :I It • . • YIMPI R BILL.F.AI i 11 VI I I I ilSTi ns" on the order of the day for going into a comm. , tee on toe timber chilies bill, and detailed to the house, f coin Cie report of the committee on foreign trade, the object of the bill, which was to afford protection to the North American timber trade, the Callittlit met chants having some claim upon the covet 'intent, in consequence of the ettetatrage silent held out to them during the blockade of the Baltic, under the system of Boonaparte. The noble earl con cluded by moving the committal of the hill. The Earl of• LAUDERDALE addi essed the house at considerable length, in answer to the noble earl, and op posed the bill he all its details. lie strongly deprecated the policy which gave advantage to the American timber trade. Nothing but the desire to keep the rotten ships in ' the transport service afloat, could have induced his Ma jesty's government to sanction the measure. It w ar well known that the American timber was not equal to the Baltic. The quality was inferior, inasmuch as it was sub ject to the dry rot. In the committee on foreign trade, lie put this question to one of the witnesses—Suppose a house was built in London, of Norway timber of the best quality, and you valued it at 6,0001. what value would you put on a house of the same denomination built of American timber ?—'llte answer was, " I would not re cumuli ud any person who employed me to purchase such a house at any rate." The noble earl considered the ad vantage given to the American timber trade no better than a colonial job. It was an arrangement which gave a bounty of 11. ■ lcii, over and above the rate of transport and freight. He did not wish to go into all the calcula tions, because it was geuerally known that the bill would be most injurious to the Baltic trade. With respect to the bounties ou Baltic timber, he dept crated the advan • (age given to Russia over Norway isllll Sweden. 'fbe bill gave a precedent to a new exclusion never before recog iezed in the commercial code. It was this—they laid ibeir duties in a way that 11. 6s. was imposed less on deals than upon block timber. That arrangement was injurious to the intcrests of the country, inasmuch as the Widish • mills were neglected. 'I he policy had hitherto been 1.1 encourage the saw mills, but that policy was no lunget cansideied. The merchants and maiiisfactuters of• this country could never benefit by a system of policy which via , !literal to foreigners and injurious to England. Cutler al the eitcniustaiters, his objection to the bill w as so • ong, that he moved it be committed this day six mouths. 1-rod ELLF.N BOROUGH said, if this bill was thrown wit, he ti listed shatethitig would he dime to itriatige this imi•m taut subject. lie could not admit the bill was a r .1.'1)141 job, but it appeared that a gt eat naval force was 10 tie kept by a tax on one description of persons, namely, the purchasers of limber. That tax was certainly unjust. It would be Loiter policy to iris, a bill making the public at large coot t inn te to the support of the Canada shipping. He considered the bill nothing less than a measure estab l.stking a bounty to iuuuduce the dry rot into buildings aud houses. lie cum:oared in the view ultra by his I,Jilir ILCiId. lie henceforth never expect to du a i) goad in a committee upon foreign trade. repot hi tat•elf and other nalik lurds had g.vvii was satisfactory o all but his Majesty's mia.i.teis. Ha could not vote fut toe ainemlment, because lie believed the bill cuutinead b Aloe good piovitions. Loud I lISG opposed the bill. Tim Larl Ll' I. •ii, , ,,0t Led it. 'I sic auarudmrmt was Ili a.. , 111% , td, and the bill passed uO4ll the commit tee. THE NATIONAL REGISTER WISLINESDAV, MAY 23. Several MIN were un , veil from the Commons, and read the 6(.1 time.—The ()al Ilic able were forwarded a sta:e. Oit the motion ofEutl 11A Ft hua the Timber bill %.1• Icod n third time, aitil IhIS CII to t h e Commons. viussn/v, KAY zs. The Strathmore I'et;.aat %;,i1 dam. ld heard in a Cons millee of l'i ivileges, and fin tiler proceedings po.tpeneti till to-moriow. The foreign witnesses bill was read a third time and etl. 1,0111 CALI'IiONIT, presented a petition from the in habitants of I rwiuglwnl, prolog fur revision of the ei iinioal laws. lilt ANIPOUND BILL.—The Earl of HARROWBY rose on the third reading of the C •,tisspotind Di•franchisement Bill. and expressed a de.ist , to cxfsmil the rigia of voting to the adjoining . district, tattier than the county of Yolk. The Eu I of LIVERPOOL was adverse to cry al 'era of the Bill as it stood. Any inconvenience o s:. It might arise with respect to the mode of taking right o become ore ‘silijeet of another bill,. •,-. , E iri of I:A m la:1m said he could nut so s. cad a 'Mid lisle• without expressing his olijec • so There was our point which did nut seem to . •ise 51• ention et the Ilusise. The County of York ..t imp' Al lmon would he made in their represents . time or opportunity was given them fur • . WES eIIORLAND repeated his former 1.64 lie was astonished to find the noble • s st•ith the measure. It was supported by • . sss. sA. c.'orniess, yet he challenged any man 5, • 5 1 .111 s.. i:icansisteist and unjust in principle. •• CHANCELLOR sail a few words in op i • 4; si in ?lie measure. • i!...1 divided upon the question of the third s:usithers were—Contents, 39—Non Con . .7trijs.isty fur ths• third reading—O. ...is was csonsequesiliv read a third time and passed. .• • I.: sit of DONOU:iii MOUE presented a Petition is .• % - t . :I:am Chancey, one of the principal clerks in his ty. kte Court oh Common Pleas, Ireland, praying to be steald by counsel against the Irish Law Courts Bill. The Earl of LIM EMU , : adverted to the abuses in the emirts of Law in Ireland, and expressed a hope that the tit•.••c wo u ld not delay the proposed remedy. Tit, Petition was read, and Lid on the talile. A jou' lied. FRIDAY, MAY ?3. The house met at three o'clut k in a committee of pri. rlteges on the Strathmore peerage, when counsel and *Ain ses were heard, and further proceedings postponed to Tuesday'. Oil the iuotion of the - Earl of SHArfESISUItY, a mes sage was ordered to be sent to the commons, requesting a copy of the report of the emutnittee appointed to in quire into the sale of bread. Mr. M. A. l'a)tor brought up the Steam Engine bill from the Co 1111 l ions, wills the amendments agreed to. The Westaditster improvement bill went through a cot iiiii ittee, and was reported, without amendments, to the house.—Adjourned to Monday. /101.751 i OF COMMONS. moNuAN, MAY 21. Mr. S. ‘voRTLEy moved Me second reading of the Woollen Cloth Stamping bill. Read a second time, and ordered to be printed. The house went into a committee on the London Wharfs bill. Mr. T. WILSON moved a clause to prevent any in fringement on the customary right of was, &c. Arr. CA LvERT defied the ingenuity of his hon. friend to find a hat part of the bill, ah it at present stood, inter fered with the right of way. The gallery was cleared for a division but none took place. 'floe amendment was egatived. The house re sumed, stud the report was ordered to be received to-mon ow. Mr. D. BROWNE brought forward his motion for leave to bring iu a bill to amend the inland navigation laws. He implored the pat tienlar attention of the house t the subject; it was to extend the Canal from an obscure villwae to Ballingsloe (Londoinleily); without it the go ver could nut do any thing in the business. He concluded with moving for leave to bring in a bill for the extension of such canal, to afford means tor the better employ meat of the poor.—Leave given. Mr. DENISON presented a petition from the vestry of Mitcham against the Newington Select N'es.ry will, as an unjust and inteonstitniiimal ureasure.—►teteried to the co tttttt Mee on such subject. Ting-WsiTcals.—Mr. ELLICE presented a petition from tide-waiters and otheis, who had beet. dismissed rut taking lees in violation or existing regulations. They had done this with the view or forwarding the business of eat merchants. In consequence of the transaction it had been roomd sight to III:Ikea sweeping dismission-2GO per sons having been at once dismissed. Many of them were most deserving pet sous, having been upwards of 41.1 y ears in their sitnations. He hoped the Case would be taken into consideration. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said he should not oppose the bringing up of the petition, and that many cases were cases of hardships. The petition was presented and Lead. SIPPLY.—The CHANCELLOR or the• EXCHEQUER moved, that the house go into a committee of supply. Mr. CREEVEY, before they went into such committee, thought it right to bin% forward a resolution respecting the charge of 5,9001. for fortifications in Barbadues. He objected to this grant, because there was *heady created a hind to meet such expenditure, he meant the four and a half per cent. leeward i•lamd duties. lle had already a general notice on the books on the subject. (Hear, hear, train the ministerial beaches.) He did not know what they meant by heat ; but he wished they would attend. There was a fund already provided, and why then was the house to agree to this grant?—(Cheers.)-1 he hon. mein ber then desired the clerk to read the resolution of the house on this subject in Queen Anne's reign, her Majesty eventually directing ttiose duties to be ir e pi opt - Bated to the repairing of the toi ts, fartilications, &c. (Hear.) fiiis WAS the way in which the funds ought to be used; but, instead of so doing, the money was divided amongst Celt:nu lords ani ladies, their daughters and other females —but inure porticoldr ly among,' tile r •eltuu of tot ot hers of• parliament ; and then when he CJIIIU dti% complain of this, there was Ott op a shouting alid homing, as if he had mentioned something most preposterous—and what was still mule decent, official persons came down mid voted fur themselves against the public. 'this was the ease respecting the three lords of the admiralty; they not only vole,' away the public money, but they voted the money into their own pockets. Such parsons —persons who were interested in the isine, ought not to vote; and quoted cases in Itiol, and other periods, when persons under such circumstances withdrew. Mr. H. added, that the practice had grown into disuse, but fur. titer remarked, that it was indecent In the house not to revive such practice. He (Mr. C.) thought that the ex isting practice was a scandal to the louse, and concluded with moving an amendment, embodying the sentiments and facts respecting the leeward islands, sc. Sir C. LONG said, it lie remained silent he should he condemned, and if he spoke he should he termed an in. teresred person; so that either way lie should be con. deinned. The leeward island dailies were granted, he contended, in an unconditional manner; it was the here. ditary revenue of the ctown—but he admitted that there was an exception in favour of Barbadoes, fur the erection of forts, &c. He should nut go into the question fully now ; it had been grained, as now, fur upwards of a can. tury, without complaint from pailiament. Besides, since that period, Barbadoes had been made a naval depot, and as that was tile case, it came properly before parliament. Further, all the legal atithinitivs had admitted the legality of the present mode of appropi Minim He thought there was no ease made out, and he should therefore resist the amendment. Sir F. BURDETT was surprised to hear it said that no case was made out. Tile troth was, the money had been applied to the corrupting nlewbets of the house; and if the practice had lasted fur a century, that might be one reason why they found themselves in the present If the funds were the crown's still, like all its revenu es , they were to be used fur the benefit and unit for the detri ment of the public. (Ileat. bear.) It never enitlil be meant that such duties were to be granted for pensions, &c. He hoped at least that this motion would not be inefficacions; that the house M wild not be tinned aside by such a gross mass of contradictory representations as had assailed them from all quartos. He trusted that the house would support the amendment. Mr. WULF3t/10T defended the mode of applying the lee a ard island duties—it had the Warrant of IlaVing long been sanctioned by parliament. Whenever the ipiestion should come more distinctly before them, he should be prepared to meet it more fully; lie should then be pro. vided with documents. Mr. MUNCK said, that the address of the mover of the amendment had received no answer whatever. Though Barbadoes had only been named in the appropriation, and the amendment confined itself to that island, it could not be consalried for the purpose of being squandered amongst fasoni lies. It arsine:int for national purposes. As to nut having looked to the matter for a emit nry, was that any authority for pnisuing a bad comae? The island was altered in its titillation, it Was said—there were greater expellees; and W. 14 not that a reason for not hem; atone Illqa iV ato their :hods? (Hear, hear.) And had out the situation of this island altered? Hail it ever before such debts, such millions of debt and taxes—such an at my and a navy in time of peace? Under these cir ceinstances, they were hound, as honest guardians of the public purse, to take care of their tesourees. (Hear.) The gallery was then cleared for a division. The num beis were—Fur the amendment, .56—Against it, 1:10 Majority, 2S. THE CORONATION.—On re-entering the gallery, we found theliuuse iii a committee, and • Mr. MONCK wished to learn whether there was any preparation ru6king fur the reception of the Queen, and whether,hi consequence, any aunt in addition to the 100,01.01. more, would iii consequence be repaired? He had heal ri, but lie would not believe the scandal, that while seats were ;tiepin Mg for peeresses, none was or dered for the Queen, who Wuc as much the Queen as the King was King of these realms. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER thought there was but much analogy between voting pay for artil lery and dragoons and the coronation expeuditure. He hail not ligard that any application was to be made for more money 01) account or tile coronation. Lord LONDO\UEttitI at id, lie would not hesitate on a flout of practice ; lie was ready to say that neither he nor any other of Ibe servant, of the crown wet e not prepared to exercise the unbounded preen:olive in the way in w hich ime seemed to desire. if any opposite, in their discretion or indiscretion, were tosepured to raise a question an the subject, he was newly to meet it; but oil tlimr heads be the consequences —Hear, hear, hear.) The Queen was Consort of the K in the eye of the lair, ttudatihiedly, bat it was tile prero;;.•rive of the Kind tu say woo shuulJ uuJ %ins should orn ellend bin) at his Cololl.ltion. Mr. BBOU(ill AN! had not expected [bat any such ques would be rai...d here—but iii Supply all grievances stele ht matter of lay( uight:un. As to the question that had been aiiitateit, he shoold not now say any thing respecting ; he only a isiied to guard himself asaitu.t lis beiog imagined, by his silence, that lie asseilleil to the proposition of the noble lord, that it was the andustlited prerogative of the Ktu g to dries mine w Ito should attend hint in his royal coronation, to the exclusion of certain parsons, °anti a ace FoTIMATIS.—Mr. WARD then moved a grant of 94,3001 for us tilleu II: meatus, tke. 41 r. II USI E opposed the giant. It was greater than ti as haul in the American star; he proposed a reduction ut ia,oool. which could be elfocted aiihuut any reduction of tile number of men, by attacking the shill', &c. 1 t was not it question of elk wail, but one of expunce ; therefore, unless some better reasons were given, he could not see how the committee could agree to the grunt T If a better case were nut adduced, he was at a loss to imagine they could do otherwise than agice to the reduction of tile grant, at least 15,0)01. (Hear.) Sir 11. HARM NGE defendad the grant, knots in.!, as a uniliiary man, its propriety persons of a certain " figure of mind" mere required to keep up the full establishment of officers. A contrail y course would be most pernicious. Mr. G. BEN N ET 1' said, that to put in comparison a slate of peace o Oh that of war was to hring tir•elher op p osites; hut the questson scat, t% hat was the integr al force requisite fur t he country ? The grant of 8,7101. for the milkersl establishment ord nance was also moved; but 51r. Hume proposed a reduction of 3.ICM. A divii.ioo took place—Ayea 47—Noes 11—Majority io favour of the or igisial motion 29. 3lr. N 10 0p0,e41 6,6001. for the profeasov., &c. of tIN ru)44l military cullyge, Wouluich.