The National Register. — London, England, 1821-06-04 00:00:00

Mri M. A. TAILOR said he could not withdraw Ids Seldom The ATTORNEY GENERAL observed, tha' the plans proposed weal to model the whole or the Court of Chancery. As to the business, there was not that delay which was iin • puled ; there were no bank • opts' petitions, and no cause set down last term uthlisposed of. Toe business had been got through with great rapidity and 601isfactiou. Mr. LOCKH ART was astonished that any one could say, that to cull ou the house to consider the question next sessiou would be to cast an imputation on the court. The enquiries in the courts of equity were surrounded with difficulties; they %sere attended with enormous eepences rill Englund knew these facts to be true. The iustatutious requited revision; und to say so was not to caw any reflection nu the calm, or ifif.e practising in it; but certululy the motion did not merit the stigma of the " previous question," —if met at all, it ought to be by manly negative. Mr. Serjeant ONSLOW could not agree to the motion, on the single grimed that there had been delay in the Court of Chancery. He agreed in the necessity of the amended motion for the previous question. Mr. W. SMITH supported the motion, and thought from the declararion of the noble lord, that the wonder was that there was nut more appeals, was in favour of inquiry and change. (Hear, hear.) It was admitted that the Chancellor's industry only prevented inure delay and greater difficulties. After some further observation the house divided on the motion. 'Elie usimben for it were :12—against it 56. Lost by a majority of 4. Mr. MABEBLY•then brought forward Iris motion re specting Irish Exchequer amid Treasury Bills; the hon. member urging that the bills of both countries ought to be placed oil a similar footing—that no undue advantage ought to be given to either; and submitted a motion, the effact of whirls was to secure such !mpartiality. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER explained the system of these bills, and contended that there ex isted no intimtional advantage on either side. The house eventually divided ou the motion. The 1101111ber5 VI ere—ayes 31, N 61. Toe GR A:WWII-AND Bit. .—Lord MILTON 1610.vetl, that house should agree to the Loro's aineedateots on this bill. Sir. WYNN wished to add an amendment to those of then lordships. namely, to divide the county of York, and to provide that each division should send two members, luatcad of the w hole county sending four, as proposed by the bill. Mr. S. WOWILEY objected to the bill altogether as amended by their lotrlships. He declared his determina tion to take the sense of the house on the amendment. Lord LON DON DERRY was in favour of the amend ments to a certain degree, and would rather agree with them than risk the loss of the trill. He could not agree with his bum friends' Yorkshire feelings, that the other branch of the legislature had no right to interfere with the form of representation adopted by the House of Coin- mons. Lord J. RUISEL agreed with the noble lord in opinion, that it would be desirable to pass the bill, to skew the people V. tie determined to do something in compliance with the wishes of people; and therefore, although the amendments were destructive both of the noble lord's opinion and his own, still he would support them rather than risk the bill. The amendments were ultimately adopted. The bill was then ordered to be carried back to the lords. Lett, MILTON, in consequence of this bill has tog now rashest, gave notice that it was his hitention tar-morrow to move for leave to !trifle in.& bill for the more convenient taking of the poll, in the election of knighte of the shire fos the county of Yolks (Hear.) 'rigs ensiererus - tox et. Associscrost.—The Marquis of LON1)O/SDEKKY having moved, that the report of the committee of supply be now briniest up, Mr. BROUGHAM ruse to call the attention of the house once more to a society, the existence and nature of which lie had occasion upon a former evening to briug under its notice. He held in his hind a letter which had been distributed among lie members, and which purported to be a copy of another letter, a circular. It came from "The Bridge-street Committee." And what was their object ? Feist. to expound to the magistrates the law of the land in cases akin'. They enclosed in this cis cular a copy of a pamphlet, composed trader their auspices, and containing their expositions, their digest of Bite law, fur the guidance of the magistrates. (Ilear.) But the object which they bad in this circular veut tired to avow was sot to be passed over. (Mr. Brougham then read from a paper)—" Sir,—ln pursuance of the 4th resolution of the address"—but the house ought to know that this was signed by a Mr. J. B. Sharp , Who styled himself " lionutery Assistant Secretary," was dated No. e t , Bridge-street, Blackfriars ' and addressed to the magis trates—(hear, hear)--to the magistrates ~f England!— " I am ditected Sty the committee to transmit you a copy id the addrese of this society. In pursuance of the 4th resolution of the addrese," (the magistrate being thus desired to take nutter of the committee have foiled it nets spiny to institute several prosecutions against pi r omis engaged In the sale of libellous and seditious works , some of ulitelt ploteentiuns have been abandoned ilium the trailies esprts,iug their couttittuit." In (Md . .. name, to whout—t. wheal were they called upon to caps ess " their To Mr. J. B. Sharp aid this tune. Miller, lot si,u !—(A laugh.) But this was nut all: the association was nut satisfied with convictions, with the hum iider upon oath of the dangerous and disafiieted senders of seditious publications, and with these repro.- alone of coeirition to Mr. J. B. Sharp ; but the parties Were requited to enter into an engagement never again to drive the same trade. (A laugh.) And now he (Mr. Bi onetime) sliutild like to be interested, if there were then the house any member a protector of this cuinditutional useuciation. (Hear.) He desited to know upon w hat authority it was allowed, under such a govein sitent as this, where regular others and forme Wore pie liefeed. wheie there were too such law officers Si the Attorney and Solicitor General, hitherto Slot slow to de tect, our remise to winced agatest such onences ; where there was a Secretary of State not tardy, upon formei - occasion, to expound the law (herr, heal), and not bark-' ward in issuing hr, tii citlailt too (hear),— st , e4l lik• wire to the :GrigiNtsilles 01 thiu kingdom (hear, twar, heat)—ii emu) . of State nut backyard in ransrnittnie spositiiiiis 111111 11141414 of this kind, in a Nay w htrlt, though it had beet, ttolittlel'ed by more but IC 1,0 Wks 111/N admitted to I.e such by the cutlet.; Mild which, at ali Cleve, to Bit < Leo. oh those alto melt doubted its legality, would lie heel a hinds molts teguial THE NATIONA L REGISTER and constitutional pecreeeiliag (Lan this; ie abort, in a country where there a as law officers, he wished to know by whose authority It was that this velf-cunstiiiiteil, this iiiikno wit association, c. used %ill' the circular ad ders,' to the magistrates. lie thought he bad now dune quite enough in mentioning this matter once more to stop the course—to say no worse—the gi Obi impropriety of this nssociation..None of the least evils of that association was the circumstance of itt numbering among its Juembers somewliare about 40 peers of the realm (hear, hear v licar) who were thus lending their names to a set of men capable of using them for these purposes. lie would beg to know what chance of a fair trial would 4 poor man have, before a jury taken out of the neighbourhood of sonic great magi, a member of this association, or who might ever happen to be part in his tenantiy. The Attorney General had the power of suppressing the proceedings of this society by entering a siolk proavui upon all their in dictments. _ . Mr. SCA lILETT, after the speech of his hon. and learned friend, felt enabled to add but little to his exposition of the mischievous which might resell from this association, with however good motives individuals might hove enrolled them selves in it. Where the A• turney rieuerut btu, coucerued the proceeding sass regular; where the party aggrieved pro secuted, the defendant knew his prosecutor, In timer cases on the contrary, in which the cousioutionul nisociatiou iii ierered, the prosecutors were ; u 0 literati were avowed, and some of them might beupoii that very special jury which should try the offence cluaged se,ainst the ilefeii dant.—(Het.r, hear.) —The hon. and learned gent. concluded by sayingthat teem was no person also had considered the questiou in is teeal ur consutnimiiiit point of view, who did 'lot concur in eundernuing such an association. Mr. WARIII cz?cvssed his surprise that this association, having been p ro nounced illegal by what he considered the highest law authority in that house, no member of his Majesty's go vernment bad offered a word of exploitation on the subject. The Marquis of LONDONDERRY observes!, that net very far buck in the history of the country, when associations had been formed, and great [mints subscribed to those essuciations, tor the prosecution of individuals, net indeed her the cold crime of libel, but oil a charge for murder (cheers from the ministerial benches), and be considered that the influence of them associa tions and of those great names were as much calculated to preju dice the minds of the jurors against the ;lodes who might have been tried, as much as in the case tow hith the hon. and learnial gent. (Mr. Brougham) referred. Sir J. SEBILIGHT expressed his entire concurrence in the opinions which had been given by the hon.- and learned gent. respecting die self called constitutional association - , which has taken upon itself the task of teaching magistrates their duty.— Ile for one would dispense with the instruction of such a body, which he considered as one of the most illegal and unconstitu tional which had come to the knowledge of that house. The SOLICITOIt GENERAL said, that in the absence antis learnml friend the Attorney General, he ceukl not avoid making a few observations to the house, and he could not avoid also expressing his surprise that the association should have been called illegal. lie difihred wholly from ib i s opinion, and would take it upon himself to say that in that society there was nothing illegal, or at all contrary to the spirit of the constitution. Were they to believe that the association of persons tor the prosecution of übLnces against the law was - o 1 itself a violation of that law ? De maintained that such an association was nut illegal. Of the Policy of it he begged to be understood as not giving an opinion. Lord MILTON said, that it had been stated that there were some cases of libel which it might nut be proper for the Attorney General to prosecute and he ; rord Milton) admitted the fact e but this was one of his objections to the association," that they would out make such distinctions. The motion for bringing up the report of the committee cf supply was diem put and agreed to. Mr. BROGDLN brought up the report s- and on the question that the first resolution be agreed to, Mr. it ()ME objected to going at that late hour into the report of supply. lie therefore moved as an amendinuit that the report be received to morrow. The Marquis of LONDONDIIRRY said if the object of It hon. member was to adjourn the consideration of the report till to morrow, he should have no objection. The report was ordered to be considered to morrow. The committee on the metropolis police bill was postponed till Tuesday next. Mr. JAMES moved that the house be counted. hl r. J. SMITH requested that las bill might be suffered to pass through thc present stage, as it must otherwise be delayed till next session. The bill was then ordered to be imposed and reed a third time on Moodcy next. After a few other orders bail been postponed. Mr. JAMES said lie could not sit their, and see public Mai ness disposed of by so few members; he therefore moved that the house be counted. There being fewer than GO members present, the (souse adjourned- THURSDAY. II•Ir The Irish prisons' bill went threagb a centinittee.—Res port So-morrow. The public coal-yards' (Ireland) bill was read a second time. Mr. BIIOWNLOW presented a petition from Michael Daly, of Armagh, against tae Coroners' Jury ()salute) bill. Mr. HuTctilNhQN wished to know whether the Coro ners' Jury Bill was to be pressed forward this session; he thought it would be better to delay. Mi. R. filA REIN replied, that he had not brought In the hitt at his own suggestiou t it was at the request sit the county Which he represeuted.—After the e per imice they possessed lie thought lie was atomising too much in prupusing that the cur oilers should give betel ity. There Willi not an 1111101 gent le - min 111 who did not know Butt many of the cons- Deny M Cie 41,411 Vela. A. to postpouing the bill lie was ready to acquiesce HI the request; but lie could nut wooer fur other wraith:Mtn. lie, however, pledged himself, iu the ('vent of the bill not passing this session, he should muse next session far is committee of inquiry iiito the subject. Mr. 11. !MOWN E spoke of the itisolvent state of ninny of the coiimers. Colinas, for instance, had beet' sued fur 6001. a citron. r's debt. Ile knee of nothing like u segutur clectim olcoronar in Ireland. Mr. BEF.C111:1t was in favour of the postponement of the bill till next sehrion. Lord M ILTON preheated an enormc.t.l y 100, petition Roue the waoufuctureir, %twist:lo,h., ‘.l 4 e 110111 halls the West Riding of Yorkshire, prapog. Ihr hothe to e: peal the additional duty on the importatiou of t ureigu mil.— Read and ordered to lie on the table. _ - `l.old MILTON gave blithe, that MI IVettlic A:IY, JUOC .6ould move for Irave to bring in a bill to repeal the adolimmil lax On the illpOrtiitiot i of 6,11.4411 W.Mtl. MI. J. P. OIL% N T moved the becuml t radii% of Malobell% Slaty hi!i . Ali. L. W. %I I'SN gild, he %is. to A ed to titillOtnle the laure of 3 - 28 c wit of taro, i‘ ounce, and the 11110% id of It Lo.“ loom the piace of tlicif bit aa., the olcert ut (lib bill. 11. held bi petition 'al their br hull , Ili.. to.i3uuuoulet4 Stet.lic4. if tbo Lai uct, t4„ic,tl tu, 111 ea object would be to postpone that memoir* for the aerate plishment of a hich they hail been on desirous. He thee pre. settled the petition; the object of the bill was to suable Mr. Maxwell to transport those slave* from Antigen ton British settlement un the comineut of South America. 'The peti tion was Hum lead. Mr. C. W. WYNN moved that the petitioner be allowed to be heard against (be second reading of the bill, if he so thought fit. Mr. BROUGHAM said, tie um quite astonished al the mot on submitted so the I se; at was eliuracterised by nisi Wog hut mere novelty. There WM no precedent for it ; and the principle of their proceedings was osmium it. Hike precedent were esublished, what would be the molt ?... Whatevei question might be brought torward, there would be persona reptesentieg themselves-I , r be the weal Meads of parties p.articularly concerned. If it were established he should not be surprised to behold at the bar persons des. cribing themselves to be.the next frieuds of the " uarepre• tented chimes," and contending for the necessity 14 Parlia mentary reform. They might do It with coasirdorahlo ability, as well as at no ordinary length; and if this timeline was to be agreed so, what was to prevent awls a proceed*? Mr. F. BUXTON supported the motion. He dOl oat think it was sutfivient uppositioo to it, to bay that it was a uovel motion. The gallery was then cleared for a division. The wavieben were, Ayes 45,-- .T Noes 154—Motion last. Mr. J. P. GRANT, on our re-catering the gallery, was postponing the second reading of the bill; it ass ordered to be read a second time to-morrow. HOLY ALLiAlki R CIRCRLAS.—Mr. S. WORTLEY said, within the last 24 hours there bad appeared it circular from the Moinirchsou the breaking up of the eourrem at Lay b ich. In the course of it, it alluded toe declaration; and as he divined that declaration to be of the utmost impor tance to the Idler-tics of this country, he wished to knew whether it was authentic. Lord LONDONDLIIRY replied, that such declaration had been cooununicated to this Government. It was MA Ali icily official, but it was authentic. Mr. S. WCItTLEY said, as its authenticity MY lidellteed. he should un Tuesday twat move fur its prodoetlee._(!beers.) INDEPIO LIIINCI Or PASUANSIT.— Mr CE SRN N ETT rose, pursuant to notice, to brief hie mattes tie leetle he Introduce • bill for the securing the independemet of %maw meat. Is the early history of the eyeakehhameadef that boor, particularly is the easly esielleste betweee the and the people, they found the Mese Malan of tbeieleminea tioo of place-men into that house ea entimeteg the talleente of the crown. To cheek such exercise of the Meese* et the crown variant acts were passed. The SUM memorable was the act of settlement, which said that peruses weeps* othces under the crown should no* hold seats; bet cinema of that Act were atternards repealed. le the 13th of Vito. 11. Mr. Pelham, whole reign was far too short, a hill was carried, which was calculated to clear the house of clerks and underlings, to leave only the great Akers. But after wards, by management, tech regulations were lemened is efficacy. They had in souse degree reformed matters with out—hut they had out looked at home. They bad voted that the iidliieur e of the house had increased, waabse ir mid ought to be diminished; but there the snafu., e:i l s ° , fared to rest. The utioisters were supported by their sick battalion. They carried their motions ea odic beilld 4 llll4i succeeded in resisting motions oa the other by seam the creatures of ministers. If he were to examine the MOW majorities, be maintained that they were carried by muses of thi..e who weir at the nod of the ministers. This skewed the necestity of cleating the home of clerks ad underliegs-. of persons who were there wily to viable woloistese to carry oo what they called the goveraineet. Be did met know why they should have all the lords of the treasury.-- The Chancellor of the Eschetpaer sad two Lords, one fee England sad another fur Ireland might be neceseari; het as to the vice-treasurer of Ireland, for instaisee, be did eel know why they were to be favoured with his compaNy. (A laugh.) Nest mute the board ut controul. He would meals the preside or it the house, and turn out all the rest. OM of the home, the rest were useless; io it, they were worse them useless. The several boards only appeared its be gleeful I. vote fur the shooters as desired. Three fourths of them took no part io the debates; they were only seemed by the rousing calls of (pettier's, who were ready for say ad all estimates. They were dead votes fur the mialeiers; they might be steady and good adherents of ministers, bet they were bad members of parliament. 'floe admiralty parereted its lords, and the ordnance had four members la that hems.— He,preoused to heave two of them. Ile wasalso foe renaming the pay reader of the army, die. bust why was the manner Of the mint to have a seat in that house ; be did sot see that such officer was useful there ur in the cabinet; thesgh he should be sorry in Iss•e Ow hon. member, And be was at a . loss to know aby they should have nay of the household officers. The bon. measlier adverted in tuber public Mims s and finally stated that the plats whirls be prepared would reject 29 out of the :al public utleers and placeseen, who now held rats to the house of commons: He eerscluded with moving for leave to bring in a bill fur the better reveries of the intlepcuilence of parliament. The Hon. F. ROBINSfri opposed the motion. 'n.o bon. rueruher had saved I • the trouble of discussing the principle of the bill, by admitting that it wee advaarage ous to the ' , tibiae service to have certain ministers of the crown, and certain Mficers of government, io WM house; and the question then reduced itself into one of detail. The several officers lead frequently been the subject of discussion in pat lisinent, and the expediency of admit ting die hohleis_uf eel tain places to retain their seats bad I been acksiouledgeil. As to the consequences of such ar rangement, he thought it was merely begging the question to infer that, because certain gentlemen held certain i places, they must necessarily lie tort apt. (sir. DAVIS supported the motion. 'lite house divided. The la 1111 l hers were for the motion 52—against it 76. Alikjurit) against the moths SI. ItinllE OR EL ICTION.—LOs d All L . roN then moved for leave to bring is a bit, to regulate clectiups for the county of Vol lc. The plait was that the polt should be taken at the city of York, and at three oilier places its the mausty ; that the pulling should continue at the lour places at the saw time a that the sheriff should he assisted by three cite shit ids, 6;c. The Niarlitis of LONDONDERRY begged eel to he comailei ed to acquiescing iu the plea which weal to let is s o ut:N t i a mode of taking the poil.--bloirsi agreed to. CRIMINAL LAWS..—Sir J. MACINTOSH moved 'het th,.. 1.„1 1 :,..y tisiiii.hinrilt Alleviation Report be takes Hat (bruits l .ol l ,l.krdtal WI ;‘1 lay neat. Mi. !:.VIHCILY.3I asked, whether the forging of cheeks on moan or countly bankeis wets to he exempted from the Ukol ratIVI4 tri 11 , 1 x bill. (Per ceretieriatien ice par 116. i