The National Register. — London, England, 1816-04-08 00:00:00

r• •.shiist ei ion sof inn.. lor *welt, the detection of ta hick re eeiveil no reward, not e • tittered to go on, till the offender, in creasing n nee a , d hardihood, proceeded till Ids et late at tained sii..ll a Ili.ogn omit., as made his pat 5.11 north looking eft( r. tt as via ri at evil of the tysteut. Ano her evil was, the esisti eof a numb' rof houses, t alit d fia h houses, to %%Web Ili. se , resorted, and of sr Welt acre wet e upwards et' 100 wet of Temple Bar, all %sell known to the l'oliae 0111- errs. Another gie .t evil was, he belies d, the nutuher of penal oftences, more than 6700, which stood in our statute book, and which, from their immenee number, fteinently induced Judges and Julies in their mercy—the offences being trivial—to allots the offen4cs sto escape altogether. Another evil was the great expend' attending pritseetitihg in crii ll ill eases : which, it ap peared, in the course of last year hail cost time public above rio,uool. There was also another great and crying evil, and that was, that in our prisons there aas no classitieati , in of crimes ; Out the great and the trifling—the yontig and the har dened offender against the laws—wet e confined together. The Hon. Gent. considered the system of transportation as one great evil. Offenders were sent to the hulks, from obit+, at the expiration of their sentences, they were turned upon the public with worse morals titan at the time of their punishment commencing. So with respect to persona returoing um trans portation, he had heard it asserted, that no person et er re turned from transrortation Was was not either hanged after wards, or continued to range about town, committing depreda tions on the public. He concluded by moving for the appoint twat of a Committee to enquire into the prestmt state of the Police of the country. Mr. II Amuse:TUN could not sue the necessi'y for a Select Committee, as no ;pound of complaint hail been laid against the Magistrates for a dereliction of their duty. His Nob,e Re lation (Lord Sidnioutli) assembled the Magistrates on the first day of every ruontli.attbe Office of the Home Department. They wet yesterday, as astral, and they declared that they 'wit,. knew-the Metropolis more tranquil. They also exyressed their surprise that it was so, became the restoration in Peace had thrown cacti a number of rersons out of employ. With re spect to the increase of youthful depravity, he was sorry to state the fact was so; but the Penitentiary-luoise was in a state of being very soon finished; that deseriptihn el confinement was , best calculated to punish, and at the saute time reform, this species of juvenile depredators. The Motion was then agreed to and a Committee appointed. THIRD SECRETARY OF STATE. MI. Timor Ey rose to call the attention of the Rouse to the Office of Third Secretary of State; and to promise an Address to the Prince Regent, that the di w i•ion of the State Office made in 1794, be revised and placed on the footing it stood in 1793. The object which he had in view was, to economize the expen ses of the service without endmwering the safety of the coon try.—The question for commode' ion was, whether in the pre sent state of the country it was not necessary to abolish the Office altogether, and thus carry economy into effect. Up to 1785, there were only two Secretaries of State; when a third Secretary was appointed, under the name of Colonial Se cretary, which continued till 1782, when Mr. Burke's Bill abo lished that Office. Theis matters continued till the year 1791: when, Mr. Donde! being Secretary for the Home Department, it was found that the business arising front the war had so in creased, that it became necessary% to revive the Office of third Secretary to act at W ar Secretary.—itav as then clear that this institutioo.of. a War Secretary was for the purpose of easing the labours of the Home Secretor, , and leaving haw to trans act the business of the Home Department mattered with any of the War transactions. The Home Secretary had the vontinctieg of the colonial business, and indeed it was evident that the whole of that business was managed in they Home-Of fice. To show the tact to be so. he need only refer to the evi deuce of Mr. King, the Under.Seciegary of state. In this de partment was cast the %huh. executive business of the British Empire, witlrthe excetniora of-the East Indies. The war being now over, he bad to coateiod that the State office ought to re vert beck to the situation in which it stoed.previous to 179.1. It would be recollected that the speech from the throne stet, the readiness of the Prince Regent to concur in any suggestions which► the House might make. 'I he House had made none, as yet ; and, therefore, he thought it high tine to begin.—( Hear, Aerie!)—He made the propositionowithout any party motives, b at w i t h a v i ew to ccnuumy ; for lie would have proposed it if leis out, friends had been in power. The Right Hon. Gentle man then stated thetxpences of tho War Secretary op to the present period, to defray die charges as they at present stand, a sum of -29,0001. would Le required. A Paper on the table would spew die estimate of the expences. The expellee of the Home Department was 85951. not including clerks. This suit was paid to Lo►d Batheirat, his `.ecretarie e. The 14 ar De partment was bow reduced 10 14901. So that all that related to the Office was done away with iii coosequelee of the p.eace. The defence-of Ministers tonight must be, that, in continuing this office, it vies for the punposr of transacting the colonial bu siness. He contended, that:the Colonial Department might, 'without detriment to the service, betransfer red back to the - Dome Department ; nor would he object to the transfer of the neeretary of the War Department. Such a transfer would saves to the conntry between Maud 14,0001. a year. He-might be told that the increased acquisitiou of Colonies had contri buted materially to the iucrease of the business. It might nes said, that the Meaeitius, Ceylon!, and the Cape, farmed a ground of objection to the. transfer ; but Inc taw 110 I CISOII w by the be liteCPS of those Islands shoulaknot be transacted at the Office of the Board of Controul. Ile had no desire to deprive the (ioverelu►ent of a Cabinet Mi►tiste'r—all that he %awed was, to taro the Noble Lord over to the Booed of Controul, by subdivi sliag the business of the. Secretary of State, and thereby save the country from t 2 to 14,0001.11 year. He thought it no faculty to make work for himself, it' he held a sinecure o When he was 'lreasoirer of the Nosy, he did contrive to tind.eiaplayieent for about an boon or an boor atul u hall a day. It was trite that if a Gentleman chose lie might coot out work. or the appearance of work, by fordo., in,. the Clerks under bin to make out returns of this, to copy that. and recopy the esalor r account, jai ter the sake of beiug itanan of husiriesa. He hired the House would agree. with him, that, under the pre is at girt u stances of the (reentry, this third Secret:rev, who eas a iisol of aiorlospo r, slioaloi be got rid of. The Right lies. Gen:Vomit ceuclude•d wide mos hig the Address, /se. Mo..GoeLsLr.*.coneriveil it was necessary for him to state sonic reasolos foo uto j etting is tote to die modem of the Right Ilan, Geode:mum lit lbsd the accession of the Colman , * was found so o,)presaive on the war department,. that it became necessary_ to te.nsfer the militia and volunteer corps to the home depai tment, and to place die colonies loader the sir a sr the war department. The (:o.aiiernion contended that the el,lnuiet lead a right to 0 adviser, to superin tend their atiliits; nor was i: respLettiol to then) to transfer thei► Sitar s..HI eh% Ode the ii . .inagemerit :toging .11,41110 offices. 14,• instanced tai variety i f which they formslio A s tit• culoonio a trod berm the means oft oadocing :o the sue ... fal trinina.iun of the war, Le.thoesitt tialuure gatit.ed. THE NATIONAL REGISTER. to some consideration. It might he well to sages► the tratister of other straits to the cognizance of the Beard of Colonial. ant he did not know whether the East Intlat Company would be disposed to pay a Minister for managing other atfaiis than their cu 11. The !tome Department were fully employed without any additional business; they had under tHeir contrail the external military force, the police, and the government of Ireland; and it to these ditties was to he added the superin tendence of the colonies, he was afraid the home business miglt he neglected; nor did lie iniagiue that the saving of 0 or 70001. at most (for that was the extent of the saving) wand be a sufficient inducement to the l louse to agree to the Address. Mr. C. WYNNP: considered the question as a most important one. When he CAMP into the office of Under Seeretaiy of State, the business of the militia and vuliniteers was entrusted to one Secretary, and the police and government of Ireland to the oilier. Since then the business had greatly decreased, es peciall) with respect to aliens; therefore the business generally was not so heavy as the Hou. Gentleman had stated, In every point of view the assertion in that respect failed. But the colonies, it was alledged, was a material iugredient. If that argnment had been applied against tttt ithie the colonies with the war business, then a sufficient ground would have existed for refusing to unite that service with the business of the war ilepartment. But no such argument had been adduced. t►'ith respect to the rutellinn of the India Company, which the Hon. Gentleman was afraid of, did the Hon. Gentleman forget some few years ago that Lord Melville tilled the three offices at the same time, of Secretary of State, Treasurer of the Sass, and President of the Board of Contrail i On that occasion, lie had never heard that the India Company had expressed any anger, or remonstrated on the subject---t Aar, heur.)—ln w hatever way he looked at the subject, lie thought the alteration pro- , posed by his Hon. Friend, was highly beneficial to the public, both in point of economy, and the public being :veil served ; for the public were never so well served as Alien their servants were folly employed. Mr. 11. ADDING-ON a iShrd to set the Right Hon. Gentleman right as to one in int r,•specting the colonies: during the Ame rican war, there was a third Secretary of State. tt ith respect to the militia, when the new ballot for armpit-4611g that species of force was out, the business of the Home Secretary would be greatly increased. In respect to toe Aliens' Department, though lie admitted it was decreased, still, in consequence of . the dismissal of Mr. Reeves. who managed the alien business, the labonr fell on hint (Mr. A.) Since the year lt4O, the bu siness generally of the office had increased oue-third in all the various departments connected with the Government. Mr. MARNYATT COUSidered the reduction of the Colonial Department as impossible under the present circumstances, • and therefore could not vote fiir the motion. -- Sir J. NEWPORT supported the motion of his Hon. Friend, convinced that the State-office might be subdivided, as pro posed by his Right Hon. Friend; because it had been proved that the Board, of Controul hail no increased taboo's, and the Home Department's labours were greatly diminished. lie wished to know how business was CORdlletea during the absence of the Noble Lord (Castlereagh) on the Continent. Mr. B. HATIII RST opposed the motion, on the grounds stated by the lion. Gentleman (Mr. Goulbourn). ith respect to the manner in which the business of the Foreign-office was con ducted while the Noble Lord was on the Continent, it must be observed that the business was• of necessity thrown into the state of a foreign power, consequently the business was trans acted iu the capital of the Potentate where the Allied Sove- • reigns were assembled, and the Noble Lord transmitted hie transactions home to his colleagues. Mr. SPI Y 1 H contended, that the office which the present , motion sought to abolish had been abolished by Mr. Burke':.• bill of 1752. lie w as quite at a loss how to think this office necessary, when there were no volunteers or yeomanry to be attended . to. Those who at this period recommended expence in this or any other depot towed of Government, were neither honest counsellors of the crown, nor friends to the people. Mr. BANKLS, after complimeniiiig Mr. Tierney on the way which he had brought this forwai d; said, it was with pain that he was obliged to state, that, in his opinion; this office was necessary for the public services.—(lienr, luctc.)— His wish was to keep up efficient oftices and those only. But, on the same gyounds, the House should lay its fingers on all otliers that were inefficient and useless. Such were the two Chief Justices in Eyre. Mr. Ponsorsng could not help regretting, that that Hon. Gentleman would never vote los any measure of economy, except he brought it forwasd himself. At present we. Sad nothing to fear from abroad ; neither had we so many colonies or so touch ba.kiness to do.for them, as when the States or rica belonged to this country; but the difficulties of the tummy had increased ; it must be in the Home IA pat fluent. The tomerintendance of the Cape of Good Hope, the MinitilinN and Ceylon, mi.glit be turned over to the Board of Controni, which haul ah only the management of the affairs of Hindostaii. T.lte office of President of the Board of Ccutroul being vaeaut, he was save that no gentleman would refuse that appoint ingot be eanse the management of these three colouies was stit.eradded to the ditties of that ihEee. At no tune should a. aunt of 12,0001. a year he an object of swatill consideration to the 'louse; and especiaily at the present tune, he ttwtrght that a slum of t 2,01101, ,would be considered as no small saving to the country. Lord CA, I' LEakAtill objected to d.e transferring of the business of three colonies to the Roo, of C They might as well be referred to the President of the Council, in the Lord Privy Seal, who were thought to have_ little to do iu 'their offices. It appeared ;hat a third Secretary of State had existedufrom 1703 to lift. But now it vias sail that we wanted no such office. Surely no one would say that th• busi ness of the colonies had nut doubled since 17t t. t% hen any enan considered the extent of the superinteadonee of, the leerctary of State over the new colonies, he would nut say that this office \las uselkas. Mr. Hoag 'spoke against the motion.. Mr. Tiensav said, this was, to all Intents , and purposes; according to Mr. Burke', Aet, a new office, and could slot be held by any one without his vacating his seat in that house: althoi4ll flie Noble Lord held that .othee at the tinieof the ‘Valchereti Expect:sum, oiland precionswurk he made of that. — (A laugh.)—The continuance of this (Ace stupid aud.he the coubtry with an expeni cof at least 14.01 , 01. a year. 1.0. t there he a Cotinuitt.e to examisia-!iis proposition. Let Lord Sidininith, and ail those be examined, who lia.! arid ihis office; -and if:, cave were nut wade out that this ',dive rt.ii d he ear- cured by tiin.two Secretaries of State, as heretofore, .lie would give up his ;imposition altogether. If the hoist did not make the :simile Lord atteail to the dut:i a of rehnomy. neither lie our any et his Majesty's Ministers would adopt at ri . i.laetion iu ex pence, as fleeces-try w colic; e itus public er.on the third'. iis they had so patiently buiz.:: tioung rho course of a long war. Mr. llounboa thought the continuance ui A third Secretary of S:ato.neccasary. Th e }louse iliviteitAir Fur• tie Motion 1 /0 —Against it itybX_,Ailj?uolLJ al Ilrif?pat ..t'scrote THUIV.DAN, APRIL 4. APRIL 8. Ittionaparte'tr Detention and the St. Helena Intercourse Bills were reud u third tine and paced; as was also the Ex cis( Bill. Lord NuotreT presented a petition from the town of Ayles. bury. praying the abolition of sinecure planer, lII Id the of economy. The Noble Lord said, the rejection of the Property Tux had thrown us upon the question of economny. Aseiglit millions ot• revenue were cut off, it remained for us to discover, not how to supply those eight millions, but how to save them. lie should not now enlarge on the distress of the agricultural and commercial interests ; he should leave the pi , - tition to speak for itself: but there was one point in the yeti. lion to which he must refer, beoanse it concerned the very existence of our constitution. The petitioners had Ipartienlar ly objected to the destination of that port of our many which was termed the army of occupation. They deemed it nneorrs stitutional that such a force should be in pay and under the in fluence, of the French King—ready, perhaps, to invade our .own shores in four-anddwent, hours, and certainly liable to bite notions hostile to the constitution of this country. Lori eavesnisit home his testimony to those being the• sentiments not wily of the people of Aylesbury, but a great part of the surrounding population ; they were :also his senti. ments--and he begged leave to give lortee, that he should, after the recess, submit a motion to the Hoes,. npou the Public Expenditure, and the existence of a large Arms, a hich was in direct opposition to the principles of time constitution of this country, amid subversive of our liberties. INTERRUPTION BY THE MILITARY. Lord MILTON said, that thongh our soldiers might acquire improper notions in the air of France, he was not one of those nho thought that the spirit of liberty was extinct in this conn try ;but Wit were not extinct, it was now more than ever the duty of every one to watch n ith jealousymgainst any encroach ments on that liberty. He feared the House might think it trilling that he -boobd mention accidents which had occurred to himself; hot he thought it right to communicate to the House a circumstance in which he had been this day concerned. He was going iibunt in an open carriage, and had oceasiotrto pass by the corner of one of those streets where guards were stationed in the novel manner that hail lately been adopted. He was pre vented from proceeding on his way by a sulaerstationed in the street : he then asked the soldier his name, and by what right, or under what authority, he was stopped on the highway ? The soldier retlised to tell his name, and on Lis ( Lord Milton's) at tempting to proceed. struck his horse, adding, that if he at tempted to pass, he would strike Lim too. The soldier struck the horse vs ith a sword, and that when, so far from there being any crowd, there were not ten carriages in the whole length of Piccadilly. This was preserving the peace! 'Fhe peace was to be preserved by striking the horses, and even the persons of people who were qnietly proceeding in the discharge of their usual occupations. He would not say that liberty was yet ex tinct , bait lie thought these facts worthy the attention of the I louse, beemise such a system was growing up, of accustoming the people to see soldiers employed, when the civil power would - be quite sufficient fur the preservation of peace. He was the last who wished to see riot or disturbance ; but he was certain, that on ordinary occasions, the.constables were quite sufficient for their prevention. LordCastt.s• REACH and the CHANCELLOR ofthe EXCIIFQUER enforced the necessity and convomienee of having the aid of the military on those occasions, (meaning the Drawing Room at Buckingham House) which they said was no new system ; but they admitted that ifan unnecessary exorcise of restriction: arose, it ought to be remedied ; which, of coarse, would be lees, without the intervention of a formal proceeding in that House. Mr. PossoNnv ridiculed the plea of convenience, or of nes cessity, in this mode of employingsa military force. Mr. Wynne wished to ask whether after the soldier made • his threat -sword in hand, lie would be justified in putting Lord Milton to death, it he hail persisted iii proceeding? I Mar.) How would this matter stand in a Court of Law? Ought the 11011.4 e to pass over an affair of.this sort? lie saw that a great breach of privilege had been committed against a Member of the House. Mr. BRuCGMA NI and Mr. Bstincre pointed out that the em ployment of military in such l / 4 eases was Tate of modern cro . ath, duties of this kind having boon performed by Peace Officers early in the present reign. Mr. Bitauus: IIATIIVItsT said, all inconeenienvies should he , enquired into and remedied..-After a long conversation, Loud Nugent moved for a copy of the instructions under which the Life Galardi acted yesterday in Westminster. A division took place on Lord Nugeut's 11104011—Noes, ; Ayes, SI. Majo. ritv 17. Report ae• the Committee on the Brighton New ro a d Bill, was bronglit up. On die motion for the second reading of the amendments, Mr. Hoi.sin it en objected to this Bill altogether. tie considered that the prmont roil was quite • suff,aient for the public purposes, and thought the projected new road would he a mere idle waste of money. In tins feel. in 4, he moved that the amendments should be reod.this day six mouths. Sir JAMES GRAHAM spoke in favour of the Rill ; and, after a few ÜbSClNiliinllS ffo•ll . Mr. 'Awn NTON. the original question was carried without a division ; the amemlnients were agreed . 'to; and the Bill was ordered to be engrossed. Sir JOHN after adverting to the thin attendance • of Members, pompouctl Ins motion on the State of Ireland to the Pith inst. A lung conversation tirose on this postponement, is the course of which the paramount importance or the sub ject, and the necessity•for a WI attendance (luring its discus generally admitted. It was ordered Oast the Howe. be called ../ler on the occasion. THE 3IA LI"I'A X. The Home went Iwo a Committer on the Malt Tat, and the of the EY/CFA:tar:a proposed a Ite+9llition that 2s. per bushel dotty should be tthe's off every bushel of Malt brewed after the :Ali of July next. In answer to a question from Mr. Curwen, the Right Hon. Gentleman said, it nas intended to refill the dnty on such . Malt as should be brewed into beer • between this and the sth y 1 April. Mr. Censor:ma:lid, he understood that the drawbaek to be • ailowi d to brew ers would ;take a suns of 700,0001. out of the pantie r.temu., wi:hout reiieviog the barley grower. tie thointhi the brewers charged too high aptiee tOr their (11111- cuollity already. Sir M. Y,iuet v I :toticht the breweis onglA to lower the price of their porter etar pens.v per tinlitt. ' Mr. 11-. an 11 it shonlit Ue recollected, that the Leewers had paid 4 war nut) of 16.. upon evety quarter of Malt they, lied bit. wed. 'Flu y °ugh., the' rfore, in ;now; to be allow tni sunsethitiu for the mi. in hand. Me cilderduod it tuns lite ;W. 1: nlinn lot the net wers to tuner the porter 4*. WWI cl. We diltle, • jr.tlot d. Cb..% NCELI OR of the Excolv.neest sent, the Alcisbee for r, 1 , 1% 10 :1 • ••;* ri:;ht, thud it ear as • feasted to tue. stock. in 'l4O 111.. i • • .1 !'.O; Mail Tax would.. - t