The National Register. — London, England, 1821-06-24 00:00:00

- The CHAIRMAN then reported progress, and obtained leave to sit again. The other orders of the day were then read, and the house adjourned. TUESDAY, JUNE 19. At four o'clock, there being only 14 members present (and 40 being required to mske a house), the Speaker de clared the house to stand adjourned till to-morrow. WEDNESDAY, JUNE 20. SCOT4III MALT BILL.On the motion that the Scotch malt bill be read a second time, Mr. CALCItAFT said, if he did not oppose this bill, it was from the hope that the Scottish members would support a proposition for the repeal oldie English malt tax next ses s ion. SirJ.MAILIOItIBANKS thought that there was no similiarity between the two cases; however, he was not against any boon being granted to the English maltstcr. Bill read aeccond time, and ordered to be committed on Friday. lEDEVENDENCE or PARLIAMENT..—ML BRIGHT pre sented a petition from Bristol, praying for the restoration of the Constitution as established in Ifisa. It was of the utmost importance to secure the independence of parliament; and he was therefore glad that the house had ordered returns of place men, pensioners, &c. Mr. G. BEN NETT said he should, early in the next session, bring forward his motion to exclude placemen, &c.; that he should continue it from year to year, till he had cleansed the house of those who, according to the language of the constitution, held /cry under the crown." Mr. H. DA 'V IS observed, that there were few signatures to the petition. Mr. HRH iHT replied that this was true—hut he believed that the major ity of the people of Bristol, as well as those of England, i-ymprithised in sentiment with the petitioner The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER moved that the tobacco duties hill he committed pro forma; he did not wish to press the hill now. Mr. CALVERT said he was against the principle of the Bill—he should resist its going into a committee, fl'he •' moulding" clause vias pat tieularly ohjectionable.—The bill was postponed for the present, IRISH BANC Bii.t..—Sir J. NEWPORT complained of the manner in which the Irish bank bill had been hurried through the house, when very few members were present. Mr. DENMAN spoke to the like ellect. The hon. hart. had a clause to propose; lie hoped at separate bill would be 'lmposed for the purpose. It was monstrous that a director should be exposed to disqualifications, if he happened to be lieve in fratibuh,Lnutiation. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQULit said he had not harried; it came forward in the regular course of the orders. IMMOLATION ot• FEIIALI4.—Mr. F. BUXTON brought forward bin motion respecting the immulatiou of females.— Ile did not see why the negative encouragement should lie given to these sacrifices, since many of the .11Indoostati go vernments directly opposed and] prohibi:ed them. Their laws said, where the sect ifices were allowed, that the immo lations should be voluntary. But siolence had been resorted to wills the view of pressing (orison' such immolation ; and he therefoie could not see why the natives should not be reArained, AIM(' their own lows its so many instances pro hibited those sacrifices. He concluded with moving for copies of extracts fauns despatches which relate to the burn ing of Wolllrll. Mr. B. BATHURST said he should nut oppose the motion, hot of late y cant ilebt sad bit rnings had considerably increased it !telpher. If it should be found by the papers that our interference was the cause of the increase complained of, he trusted that the hon, member would nut press the 'abject on parliament. Mr. WILBERFORCE observed, that the question was of great importance. The hon. member then proceeded to Notice sonic eases of burning, ituit:Walls one where the parties had tied the woman to the pile. Debit; asked why they did SO, it was replied, tient otherwise she would run :Ina). That was proof of the " voluntary" matmer in hich t'.h• women come fornard to submit to these sacri tiees.—(liear, hear! ) Mr. iIUML advc•ted to Governor Dunean's regula tions. They were in practice is lien lie (Mr. Hume) was at Benare-; but be qnestioned w 'tether the case of a woman, being " tied dorsal," noticed by the member from Bramber, had taken place within the company's territories. Mr CANNING much doubted whether our inlet ference by any positive measures would not be must injurious— hether it would out be much harm. There were inhuy things which we might introduce with ctfect, but to cnden your Ito introduce them would he dcl u from it general lts•letn which bud been pro (hoed with so much suce.c...— Instiuction, it wa• true, would have its beneficial effects— hut superstition, let it be remembered, had never been sub dued by twee. Mr. W. SMITH said at few words in support of the motion, after which, the papers were ordered. Mr. T. F. nuvroN asked whether the government had yet determined on a plan for effecting at more frequent jail delivery in several of the counties in England. The Marquis of LONDONDERRY replied, that it had been found as yet imposible to decide on any general plan as some of (hi:counties urged of on necount of the ripener. STATE Or EUROPE.—Mr.IIUTCHINSON then liroujit forward his long promised motion respecting the sole of Europe. The noble lord bud disclaimed all connection with he holy saintlier, but he considered the noble lord an effec tive partner in Moe reprehensible nod dnugerous principles. The approuchlug contusion threatened nothing less than a total disorgiuneation of society, unless tit , dangers were averted by the conduct of the noble lord and the goverument. Ile concluded with moving, that the house, being the repre. scntativcs of a free and enlighten' d people, had witnessed with the greatest concern and alarm the events which have lately taken place on the Continent of Einope, and also the open and insulting avowal of pretensions us novel as they uere dangerous. and which were in direct opposition to the principle! , of our own revolution, mid to the rods peiolence of other nations:—that an humble addicts be therefore pre sented to his Majesty, requesting him to use his influence and author ity to secure the minor Mutes of Europe then undoubted and till now never disputed, eight to choose their ono form or gwwernmewl ; and who to rc trate will. hi, tithes oe the assumption of powers never before.clainsest, which intro. duce new principles lino the law of nations, in direct oppu sition to all roster practice and peen-dew, and which it ed in and acted upou would not only prevent the ecaldishment of all col' I libel ty, but tend to render per pcluid devolOos of the Aorta kind. Sir It. 1,1 ILSON seconded the motion, and fillet *arils spoke to its support. lAe blaiquis of LONDON DLitt& t Ni id I bat this sultject Iced often beets heron: the house. tie rossisi add lading% to Sc hilt he hod berme slated; he soold softly shire loot est sbsiuol. piutest. hue. u0.4a10.t% Weis. Willsvia TIIE NATIONAL REGISTER foundation ; he could see no reason for suspecting the siuce rity of the courts of Europe. Mr. C. H. HUTCHINSON replied. After b farther discus the house divided.—For Mr. Hutchinson's motion, .'8, —Against, it I i— Majority against it, litt. POOR BILL.—Mr. SCARI.ETT moved the order of the day for the further consideration of the report on the pour relief bill. Mr. CA LC RA FT said, he would not deny that at necessity existed for some alt. ration on the subject of the poor laws, but being ft friend to the principle of those laws, he was ne cessarily a friend to an unrestricted and emnpul airy levy fur the maintenance of the poor. The first proposition of his learned friend went to cut up this entirely. and to nix u max imum, beyond which no levy slmald be raised for the relief of the poor, under any circumstances. Ills learned friend, however, soon showed that he felt doubtful of the propriety of such a proposition, nail the principle of rt maximum was now entirely done away with. The second wits, that HO relief sltould he given to any man able to work, and who should marry after the passing ill the bill. Hike proposition were to be carried into effect, it must be attended with one or two alternatives—starvation or intestine commotion. He was equally adverse to the third proposition or bib learned friend, which went to abrogate the law of settlements. He would appeal to the house, whether tally of the three propo sitions contained in the hill could possibly assume the shape of law in the existing stale of society in this country. lie denied, that the poor laws had the effect of increasing the population to such an extent as was asserted by the supporters of the bill. Ile trusted that ill the next session of parliament this subject would be treated in a inure comprehensive man ner than was now possible, and that it would again undergo the ordeal of a committee, befoie ally propusitioirs were made respecting it. Mr. BERN AL objected to certain assertions in the ye amble, as hieing of too general a nature. He likewise ob. jetted to the clause which disqualified those who married after a certain period from receiving parish relief, 'us one ealeubited to art as a premium upon vice. it iniOit tend to dimini,h the 'number of children horn In wedlock, there was 'nothing is it to prevent the parish being burdened with bastards. Mr. F. LE Vi IS agreed In the great objeets of the bill before the house, but regretted that be could not support its provisions. tic objected to neatly all the parts of the bill upon the table, but must especially to the change which it attempted to hitt uduce in the law of settlement, because the elect of it would inevitably be to place paupei. in 0 worse situation. lie did not think the subject had been fitly con sidered, since the true remedy was not to be found so mac in new enactments rued alterations, ns in a strict ozai,,ton_ ti )))) of thu law as it now stood, aid a declaration of what it was at.•ant to he by our ancestor', nod 46 bat it ought to he in future. That some change ought to be made was unde niable ; but the (WM tiny of el ' so could not he appreci ated without the most minute attention to the exiting enactments, which dragged down what et us above, without raising what was below; which, instead of relieving the distreeses of the poor, gradually reduced the rich to the I.llle level, and augme tiled indefinitely the great stuck of public misery. Mr. COURTENAY rose to speak to the question, but Sir R. WILSON moved an adjournment, as it would be impossible to do adequate justice to the discussion at that late hour of the night (near one o'clock.) Mr. NOLAN seconded the motion of adjournment. Mr. SCARLETT said he bad no objection to the ad journment, it being both his wish and interest that the question shonld be fully discussed. The adjournment of the debate until to-morrow was then agreed to. Mr. ROBINSON moved the order of the day fur the committee on the corn average bill. Mr. MABERLY complained of going into business of this kind at so late an horn•. Anniston would not make a house yesterday because the motion which stood lust on the paper was unpalatable. Mr. F. PALMER spoke to the saute effect. The house Bleu went iutu the committee., and the report was ordered to be receive el on Fe itlay Mr. HUME gave notice of a motion for Monday neat, for the reduction of the capo:awe ut the to - dila:l es tablishment. _ . Mr. R. MARTIN moved the this sl reading of the hill for preventing cruelty to horses. Mr. ELLICE moved as an amendment, that it be read a third time ibis day six months. Mr. MARTIN then consented to postpone it, and after a tew words from Mr. Wynn, the Rind reading was bred for Monday. The other orders of the day were then read, and the house adjourned at half past one o'clock. TutromD•N. JUNE Mr. LUSIIINGTON moved the second reading of the .ippropratiod act. • Mr. CRE EV EY did not see how this bill could be pressed forward, as itte supplies loud nut tolls ,;one through. The CHA NCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER (oho had just cosered the house) merely wished the bill to proceed pro forma, leaving the blanks to be tilled up in the committee. Hill read a second time, aud ordered to he committed un Wedesday next. CON sOLIDATICD FUND.—THZ DI% IDENDL—ThetH A N CELLOR of the EXCHEQUER manful that the cousoli dated fund bill be committed. M. P. URENFELL said that sash was the system en winch our finances proceeded, that the dividends could not be paid, unless the bank chn-e to make lufininces to the cri verument on the credit of the fund a few days previous to the payment of the dividends Naas that is cred.tsble mods: of proceeding ? Ward nut, on the conics , st.sin WI our system of finances The CHAN C ELLOII of the EXCHEQUER replied, that such was the mode of payment to the emisulishited totals, that Core always must be deficiencies rat the time when tile paynteot of the dividend► approached ; and that the beat plan that Could he adopted, aa , th a t How poraued, of:nuking i.e.ttlar arrangements with the bal, to be supplied wit., at...aces. Mr. RICARDO spoke of the defective character of tLi. bpte.o. The.c might be u vanhie ;• the money nark. I, Ili diets had bee.. sit times in the eunintere.al world; and Whili would IBC lilt biltlftliMJ obt the Chnistellor of the Ex iiequi.r, if the book should refine to wake the rryuuUt advancer. The CHANCELLUIL of the EXCHEQUER r. lowa, OA thew ern 110 lOUSIIiiIrC JlAst.euiviii on %eels si.h.. rt ; sanity permou coukl Yu found wilu•noulti hr te.oly to woke kill ...t0rn;1!..1.--h.lllOll on Nionklay. Ot. LIN 41tIllosi at NC t Loh% EN tits, house neat iutu • 19A committee on the agricultural. home tax.—The report ou Monday. Sir J. NEWPORT called the nitration of the house to a statement that had appealed in several papers respecting the Mani heeler suclet), which had its signs and pass words, to which the Duke of York. was said to belong, and which was contrary to the acts of 39 , 1 h and bOth of Gen. Ills lie wished to know whether the facts were correct. The Marquis of LONDONDERRY replied that the il lush ions duke had committed to suffer his name to be place& as the honorary president, not considering it a political but merely a loyal asiociati )))) ; however, the moment it became the matter of question and observation, the Duke forwarded a letter, begging to decline bi ing any longer consideled the preiiailent of this society. (!tear.) Sir J. NEW PORT expressed his approbation of what had just been communiented ; he had only to add that he hoped. the law officers of tile crown would forthwith proceed against the remaining members of the society, they being clearly otfenders against the law.—(Hear, hear.) A petition Naas presented from Norwich against the to bacco duties and ordered to be printed. The evidence of the select committee on the Guadaloupe particularly Gen Destorneaues claim, wit., laid befose the house. Mr. P. GREN FELL begged to call the Idtention of the boils , to this mo 4 extraordinary claim. It originated his 1793, when, Itott eve:, we had po-ession of Guad loupe only six necks, and for 10 years not one word of this claim was heard. The claim was fur upwards of 40,00(11. Mr. Al ARA V r added that he and another member had been acquainted with Cluadaloupe for years, and till now they had never heard of this elalln. (Hear, hear.) It was a most exit wadi nary claim. Papers ordered to lie of the table, STaTis or Sir' hy.—Lord W. BEN'fINCK brought for ward his promised motion regarding Sicily. He spoke of that country's deep. rooted attachment to (ireat Britain. When our intercourse with Sicily ceased, It was stipu lated that the inhabitants should nut be exposed to any proceedings on account of political opinions ; but he la mented to say that those stipulations had not been well observed. Now, however, when the Constitution of Naples was about to be established on a solid basis, he thought it became this country to interfere in behalf of our ancient ally Sicily. (Hear, hear, hear ) His lord ship concluded with moving an address to the King, ex pressive of the mortification felt on learning the measures adopted, calculated to abridge the liberties of the Sici lians—an abridgment that it was feared would expose the British name to the imputation of having countenanced it; and praying his majesty to adopt measures, by repre sentations, to puerile the testuration of the Sicilians' rights. The Marquis of LONDONDERRY thought that Eng land, tinder all the circumstances, had pursued time best course that coals be pursued. As to the King of Naples lie had not seen any thing in the t onduct of that mouarcls that was calculated to oppress the Sicilians. Sir J. MACKINTOSH strongly supported the motion. The 'muse then divided. The hers were for the motion :is, against it tal, majority agents( the motion St. LAYBACU I)ECLARATIOO.—Mr. S. WOR'CLEY next brought forward his promised motiun, of which he had given notice, respecting the doeinnents generally known by the name of the " Laybach Declaration." It was the deleratioe issued by the sovereigns, who had assembled at Laybach ' on the terminatien of their labours for the present. That document coutained principles respecting the state of things in Europe, the rights of sovereign.„ Sic. of the must rep-chewable character. They were at variance with the British Constitution ; and if the doe tithes of the Lay hooch derlaration waic athuitted by that hive of Europe—if they were itrogilized as the law of nations, then would this country be ma 3141 C oh outlawry. He felt confident that the noble lord mist reprobate those principles, and that his lordship would omit nu opportu nity tit expressing such reprobatiuti ; but it was never theless to adopt soil' 141v41S1111:4 to express the sense of that house on the subject. lie therefore concluded with moving au address for the production of the paper in question. The Marquis of LONDONDERRY observed, that the hon. gentleman was not prepared to sound any proceed ing upon the mere he coiled fur, but merely wished that they should be laid on the table. 'lliere was in his upi ' Mon no principle more clearly founded in parliamentary wisdom than it was inexpedieut to call for the production Of a public document, unless it tended to some poetical remelt. thus thought the house would beat discharge its duty by not calling for the production of those docu ments, and resting satisfied with the general statement of litinetplea which the government of ibis country had 1110.1 e at tile tone the declaration had been issued from the Con gress of Troppau. He did not scruple to declare his dis approbation of the principles advocated in the documents which had been brought under the notice of the house For set rain states to erect themselves iiito a U ibunsl, to judge of the inlet iial affairs of others, was to arrogate to theiwielvea a power which could only be assumed iii defiante of the law of nations and tl:e princi p les of cum mail crust.—(Hear, hear.) He, however, did not mean to confound a just and necessary revolti:iiiii with that spi rit of anatchy and total subvet.ion or all order which might he said to have found sancuvo 4:Yril in that home. We had our 'evolutions; but we never mind' ed them as revolutions. A I evolutioo 10411 always been looked upon as the greatest es if that could aillist that country. 'lnc noble martinis concluded eine expeasing his hope, that the house wo u ld not call fur the prothictio s of these papers, but lest satisfied with the general declaration of prii.eiphre made by the British govciniiieht iu January last. (11 , 41-) Sir.). MACKINTOSH observed that the at guntetits of the noble told would tend to contract else p. iv ill gr. o f t h e house. noble lord said, that it was C01111:0 y to the tide of their pritecedisik:s to ask foil Info' .1.41105 i. 110111,3 the members asking was I'h.l 4to Itosuel saute pro •eteding opoi the information *ben obtaisied. This Ira- Auhillg was no; only iii convilisule *nig 'lir practice of parliaisien•, but with Culili ~,,,, The..' might h e twiny cases iu winds it would be Ilitiom.tttle It Lrow w Lat I/wale it Ilmeal lie 1111C41114.1 I) 10 'shy 110141 11:r was 1).:.1e house. He dm Uvt 140.1 I dull:. Ilutteser, V.llll the gt ueral tindericy 111 tar iteble lours misers*. lime , . He ttioiced to hear the etaide a m a i i i iii wluria the noble lord had passed 11, th e e tortateneira contained in hes dec:aa.,tionom te.e moirreiatio.. He teamed that time eeeseennesol, usi.itlt the nook: ioto Loa oilivt ird to pallia mrut would be matte LIKOW II to the whole of Eitatipe.— Ole 6ir„ J. MaciuloatO was no. admirer of sec ula.tows as ,(Fos costiaaatioos see par: 110.