The National Register. — London, England, 1817-02-17 00:00:00

FL' atc.r trit U. TUI CROMPTON, FAIMVORTII, °LOD tM, AND BOLTON, CASHIER, PETITIONS. These SCVCraI Pelilimts were presented by 1.0111 STANr.r.v, who, lelthoilmlt he worthi Kite 1113 hearty vote for it moderate Reform, would not go the whale length of the prayer of these Petitions, which claimed ammo! parliaments and univerbal !Suffrage. They were ;ill seail and laid on the Table. B.IVINf; BASKS. Mr. Rost, hrow:ht iu a 1i:11 for the better protection of Saving Winks. It was read* first time, und, on the question that it be read it second tittle to-morrow, Mr. Co. stated, it was peetisely the same as that which VAS cote, tnined lest Session. The Right Hon. flentleman then entered into the objections that had been made to this measure, and also into the great advantages it would produce to the morals and general. condition of the poorer classe.s uu the comi iiiii tity ; and then stated, that the to a poit:ts on which a ditTerence of opinion prevailed last Se,sien were, Ist. The mode of depositing the money in these funds ; anal, idly, Whe titer 0 person who hail placed a certain sum in one of those hanks should still be deemed a fit object fur parochial assist afire. He was unwilling to leave out these douses in the first instance; but that they might be usefully discussed when the Bill should go into a Committee. sir Juan Nsmicoa-r said, that it was his intention to pro pose that Ireland should be included in the present Bill, hut that a separate Bill should be brought in a pplieable to that country; and he accordingly rave notice, that to-morrow he should atske a tuotion to that e:leet. Mr. Rose explained. Mr. CALCHAFT, thollgh ite w•onld not nplusse the Bill in its present stagn, WOlllll, on the second 'squints. object to the clause respectin4 peepers having motley in the,e Lord Mihrosi - iii . ade'a similar Oirjection to this clause. The Rill was thei ordered to be read a second time to morrow sennight. Notices. proceedings, and motions were th ,, n . entered, fie. respecting State Lotteries, by Mr. Lyttletou;—number of Bank Notes issued last sear, by Lord Archibald Hamilton; — Irish Grand Jury Presentments, by Mr. Ponsonhy;--Onan tity of Cotton Yarn imported within the last ten years, by Oswald Mosel,' ;.—and, an account of the ammult of all sums of money.received by the offices of the Court of Chancery in England, for copies of the swoecedings of the said Court, for the last five year-, coding .lan. l, 1817; and ai5U for a like return in Ireland, b y Sir J. Newport. REVENUE. Mr. SAYILLE moved for a detailed return of the produce of the several ditties fur the last three years, collected by the ConnWssioner; of Assessed Taxes. It was stated that the rrass sum %Vit4 ahem 0,000,0001 hot he wished for a return specifying the parti..mlar items. Ordered. Mr. CA Lcit tiT moved for au account or the gross and net produce of 1;a. :alt-tinties for the last year; and also for au a^rl,lllll Of the irtawity of foreign salt imported, and the draw• back thereon. Ordered. RLT it Es CHNIENT. ::ninonTtlr. L gave notion of a lootien, for Tuesday, the 2". th of this ntiinth, respecting the regulation of the ottice of I'a)mastet of the Forces. Hu also moved for art seCount of all missions and consulships of his Majesty. now existing, to foreign courts or countries, together with the names and dates of the a pponaments, the amount of the salaries, whether She sppoitittes held or held any rank in the army, w hat other ()thee or offices they held under the Crown, and whether their salaries were discontinued when they were absent from . the tiet7ies of their °dices. He moved also for the different siccirmts of such missions and consulships of his Majesty to foreign courts, in 1;92, 1;99, and in trail. Ordered. Lord Micros moved for a list °fall persons connected with the nee: - and dock -yards whose salaries varied in time of -.peace and war, distinguishing those persons whose salaries were increased on the occasion of the expedition to Algiers, and the date of their reduction to the peace establishment. (Hear, hear.) 01 Jered. DISTREAC.I) ST tTE OF TFIE COUNTRY: Mr. Ilizot cat tm gave notice of a motion. for Tucsday. the 4th of ue't month, respecting the distressed tuts of the trade and manufactures of the country. SLIGHT OF PETITIONING. Mr. B. WILBRA HAM pri sl•nteil a petitiOn from Thomas Lyon the younger, residing at Warrington. It contained 1 justification of the conduct of those who had beca charged by An Honourable and Learned Munilirr, tile other night. with forcibly seizing , a petition which had been agreed to be presented to the House of Commons, pritisig 'for Parlia mentary Reform. and in his (Mr. B. W.'s) opinion, it was a complete answer to the accusation. Too much cress had been Ltid opim the fact of 'Fliinuas Lyon, the present pcti... tii . being the nephew of a magistrate. The petition, it wotdd ue observed on reading It, showed that the uncle of this young man had been attacked with a paralytic stroke. and )or a considerable time past had been unable to execute the acute duties of his office, Mr. Ittitit,GHAst said, that with respect to the stress said to lie laid mum the eirectustance of the young man being the nephew of a magistrate, tie wished to rewind the house that this was nc t the pciat particularly remarked upon; but the eiretinistance e.hieli had astoili..le-t1 hini (11r. 11.) was, that this young taken the petition to ttte house of a ma gistrate, at which !anise it was demanded en eaiu. lie aware that Nlr. T. Lyon the cuter w es aidlcted with a lament- . able distemper; bit. tit House %wind do Min (Mr. B.) the justice to remember, that he hail expressly delayed to take., any steps upon the subject mita time shuttle; have been allowed for an answer to *lw accusation. Mr. IV. NV ti.sitapvm.--The words of the Hon.und Learn ed Member were, " 43c it remembered, that it is the act of a niazi,trate of Waeringtom" The petition was then .breught up and read. After having reminded the House of ilie.ite.ciatiatiou which 11414 befit it 'AIWA kit% e to lay befote the House a stmeinent of the real circumstances Gf tilt - . ease. The facts were, that abolit seven o'clock in the evening of the day mentioned, the peti tioner was eujai.cd his comitieg.house, and On a sudden beard a hoc and ety , the bit err : a constable, lie rati on: to give Lis assist.,•:e?, us lie 4/n.1%111 he %ins hi dill , : b , I to do. Ile saw a crowd or persons there asse.obleti, and man of the nitrate of 14 ichard Poi -rough in the custody of two constables. Attar into the cease-of his apprehen sion. Ila took Lim to tht house of a Mr. coats just by, when Min roach acknowledged tliatlic had, " by wa of juke," car. Tiled off the petition. It I oink believed that flttrrorgli hail ' hot acted with atty crir,instl intention, he was permitted to go at large, and the petiii-J.:er took the petition so seized into his own custody - . 1:e Was applied to tar it afterwards, but did not give it op, umiceiving that he was not appiied to b e cornetent persons. 'rho petition concluded w.th praying, that the House would dismiss from their minds any preju dices which might have arisen from the vile, tualiguaut, tin. thought been made by the petitioner apritilliote who in the mildest way load twought forward the accusation was entirely unjustifia ble. (Mae.) He trusted the House would observe the great nicety of the petitioner's conscience, who had been afraid to Rive the petition back to its right owners, though they had made a formal demand of it. (Hear, ?nor.) The petitioner most have been well aware that the petition which '•o was property of tfu r description, that unless it wet e given back imniediatelv, it Mnuld he of very little V4loe to its former possessors. He left it to the judgment of the House, whether the conduct of the Hon. Members- who brought the complaint before the House deserved the epithets contained in the petition, of " vile, malignant, unfounded, and false." :Mar, urn.) Lord STANLEY thooght it WV; slue to the petitioner to state, that from all he had heard of his character, it was most respectable. He had no concern in the transacting' men tioned, and never interfered imtil kr heard a cry in tht street, in this statement all parties conenrred. As to the subsennent retention tie petition, he certainly was nut justified in that ( Hear, hear). lie was also muck to blame in that, when he took Iturrough into the ionise of Mr. Coates, he did l e call any of the parties who knew the whole transaction, but • but at once acquiesced in the statement of the party con cerned. He also should have considered, that if the petition were not deli e.red np immediately, tt became oarless, and mere waste paper. Upon the whole. however, thong!: he now, and at all times did, and should look at any breach of the right of petitioning with a jealous eye, vet, in the pit sent case, lie was hielined to think, that the petitioner conld nut have been actuated by any malicious intent . Mr. C. W. W', - NNE said, there could he no doubt but that the petitioner, in the exercise of his office, should have taktli both the person who committed the outrage, and the vro pony scieed, before a magistrate. When flue min.:teflon was diseovered to have_ been a mere joke, he should have released the prisoner, and have returned the prove' ty to the right owner. He u was, however, very notch surprised that the petition now presented to the House said not one word, whether the other petition had, or hail not been returned to its right owners. He believed that the pt•tioner was ouly eaargeable with an error in judgment. Sir P. ItuRIWAT asked whether the petition had been re stored or not? Mr. B. Wit.nnAHAM could not give any pc , itive answer. Lie C. Motscu expressed himself as living much surprised• at the petition having berm kept by Mr. Lyon, notwithstand ing tise urgent demand of its legal ( mimes. T h ough l ie did MR think proper to detain lltirrough, ye: he had held it just to detain the petition. Whether Burette zit hart taken it in a joke or nor, at least the petitioner seemed toeuter into his views. —( /bar, km am.) ( Ot! KT OF KING'S BENCH. Mr. C.tsuEnn rose, in pursuance of notice, to move for leave to bring in a bill to facilitate the progress of busine , s in the Court of King's Bench. There were two sorts of bu siness Aransacted in this Court, that of a formal nature, add that or a, more substantial description ; and it would be agreed on all hands, that, a priori, business of a formal na ture abould w.i) to that of greater weight and import ance; hut the reverse was actually the ease, and it was of nett ssity so; the potting in, and justification of bail, which must be considtie.l HA 014 Itirtwii nature, 1)1(1 -, dud all other business, trasmneb as all writs were returnable during term, on a particalav day; and also because the litstification Gf bail h 111 for its sole object the prevention of the default of cer tain parties. What be wished to propose, was, that it should be colipetent to one of the judges of the Court of King's !knell to sit apart front the °theta, for the purpose of taking justification of bail; and that issAlse Interval it shoold be competent for the other judges to sit in bane°. It was trite, indeed, 'tat at present only one judge attended a Court to take justification of bail, but during that time, that is, from nice until to n o'clock, although he was considered in law as a full Court, vet the other three judges remained in their rooms in a total state of inactivity. He concluded with moving for leave to bring in a bill accordingly. Ater some obsenations from Mr. LOCKHAIIT, leave was given to bring in the bill.— Adjourned. FRIDAV. Fen. 14. • Sir F. litatnrrr presented a petition from the tradesmen and in::,ibitants of Norris-street, Haymarket, complaining, of certain injuries anstained Rota the e‘eention of the New street Act. The Hon. Baronet deprecated smelt interference with private property as had here occurred, and complained that the plan followed was not that which had been sub mitted to the committee, and received the "ipeakt is signa ture. A conversation here cturned, in n hid) Mr. liuskisson, Mr. Ponsonhy, 'Me. Mellish. mid Mr. talcr:ift too part. The petition was referred to a CC/Milli:ter, wheel) to ap• pointed, including' the names of the nit mhcrs of the committee who examined the original draught of the Intl. THE NATIONAL REGISTER. ."....,, I - rolialtletl, „ t d ro4 . attack iiliiett laud Lacint anutle upon LAS- petitioner and his nude. hi r. 131t01..CH +ls thought that t h e aitatk 'Which hail 1 COMMEFTEE OF SECRECY. Mr. Rornmso.;oi;e - rving — that a formal .onn9sion hod oc curred in the instructions given to the committee at secrecy, who wegeoppointed to examine into the p tilers referred to them. but were not iustrnctetito report, begged to move that that inaccuracy be corrected. The present committee, 'Vous that omission, though they had .fit:islied tlic:r labours, could not lay them befn e the lupus°. The motion that it be in st ructt.d . telreport wee attoordiuglv ;totted to. SAVINGS /3A Sic J. Nr:WPORT rose, pursuant to notice, to wove for leave (o ing in a b.il to protect and encourage provident insti tution., for sa‘ingi bunts. in Ireton& The' Right lion. 13a toilet a cut over the annuals which hi ittite4 tas► night, in . support at the tin priety and neee , sity, and cum.:mind by mu% tug for teove to bring in a hill to eneonrugc and protect Went. Leave granted. FRANKING. 'Lord Cocnn.o4r. preset:lrd a petition from the borough of Dumbarton, iu Scotland, praying tdr redaction and reform. ('be Noble :.ord, adverting to the expense attending the transmission Ms petitions total liatnent, gave it as hi. opinion that they +on.: be ronscorl pottage tree. Mr. C. lii la ANT stated, teat he had paid M. or 41. for a parket on Parliament:lay butiinegs, trangtnitti•tl to him, and upon applying to the post•otlice I.e hail the mointy It:tinned. k Herr hear.) Mr. Boot GUAM wished to know how this; eowld happen in going eases anti not in others. Ife himself 11.1:1 paid very ennsidei able sums for petitions, mot other ro..mr.mit frequet.tly of little importance, sent lily, became the parties thinwlit that In ing a member cf Parlimennt they would cost him nothitm. He had paid so much RS five or ACII2O awl h4d ut %cr got bad. afarthing, tyl • The SPEAK PR stated, that formerly there was no re..nedji for cases of this' omit, but that now, by the clause °fast det that passed abort two years ago, such money would Imre.. turned. 'l' he clause oeetwred, he believed, in an art relating to East India shipping. Mar hear). It was, continued th Speaker, now law wherever it tt as loom'. The clause was then read. It enacted that every memb r might receive petitions, &e. free of postage, provided tl:. same did not exceed AIN 0111 H-CS. Thr conversat!on couttir"el a little longer between Mr. Grant, Mr. Brom:limn, and Mr. laishington, and terminated by the rt siding of the title of the net in which the cause alluded to was found, which was an art to regulate the conveyance of shin-letters, and lettrrs between Ireland and Great Britain, &c. Thr petitioli was read, and ordered to lie on the table. Lord COCHRANI. then presented various petitions. Mitt neatly the saint , prayer of reform and retrenchment, from Glasgow end its neighbourhood ; one front Bridg , town, ne i t Glasgow, one front % nderstnwn, one from tile Gorbles, 'MCC from the barony parish of Glasgow, one front Alexandria, Itoishili, and one from the parish of Goveu. They were all received, and ordered to lie on the table. ALDGATE PETITION. Mr. BROUGHAM presented a petition from the inhabitants of the %said of %Ideate, in the city of London. It trulireieel the iisuel topics of the other reform petitions. He (Mr. IL) would refrain, fur the present, from expressing any opinion on the various matters embraced by, the petition, beesinse, to enlarge on some of these, would be supertliame e and en others, would be premature. Val rh,lis members had islrevly Artiste ed their sentiments on the oecasion of pri smiting petitionv ; and front any thin g that he conk! collect, ell hail agreed to e epee !tate that wild doctrine of universal sterrage with whieli the 'temple were deluded. He had formerly stated, that it was no tight, and could be no benefit. There was but one oei. Ilion %%ALM these walls, and, he believed, but one opieion without, among those uhts- opinions were a orthy of respect, either from the character of she uodivithsats who formed them, limn, the deliberatioit with which they were formed, er the honesty with which they were ewers aine.i. He had never • heard an individual defend such a pro vet, et. represent the a ight of 'lids ersal suffrage, with any eleitsibility, ns the :Ott of the people. What should he the dm.atioe of Parliament, whether it should he shortened, mid whether, ff ahortened, it should be limited to mitt or three yeers, was a subject of fre quent disenAsion, and on the expedenicy or u cessity of which serious opinions ittig:it ne forierd. a ga u nt the adoption of universal soakage the house was uneniamits, and he (Mr. II.) had again Alluded to the stib.;ect, that he niteht hear if there was nue dissent —gnat he migat see if any withitt the wills of Parliement eneottratted suet a delusion, :mil give any gentleman au oriel rtnnits of derlartng himself, it' he was ready to maintain that absurd, mischievous, anti he • would add not very honest doctrine, er of arresting, before • it was too late, its vrnicious progress if he opposed it. ( Ara , , hear, kar.) The Hon Mr. LAMB regretted that lie had to lifter from his Has. and Learned Friend on the question of a ref irni is . the state of the representation, timiking, as he did, th a Ihere existed no necessity for any eltcretiou. Titus mom 1, how- • ever, he should say, that when the question of Parlialmntary reform came before them in the shape of a reenter discus sion, lie settled endeavour to divest himself of all prejudices and partialities, and give the subject as foil and dispassionate a consideintion as he was capable of hestou Lord COCHRANE. —lt appeared to him racier too mneh in the Hon. and Learned Gentleman (!‘lr. Ilroughien) to stem( up in his place and impute designs to so large a body of Men as had petitioned for neiversa, starage and menial par ' items, or to asset t that they were so incapable olexereising ti judgment of their own, as to be the mete tieds of evil minded deluders. He was prepared to state, that in questions rela tive to the general interest and welfare, lie would much 'either, take for his guide the good sewe and wisdom of the people, than of that House.. " The people, Sir," said tee Noble Lord, " have not those prejlitietea and personal interests which too often guided the members of that House iia their decisions on great public qiiest ions ; the people lutist be best able to judge of what is catenated to promote their own hap pinces and prosperity ; the people. Sir, judge coolly and con scientiously." c . A loud laugh, and cried of hear, hear.) The. best criterion of justice, on any point, was the opinion of the great body of the people t and sorry was he to say, flirt their judgments were often very different loin those Of the House of Cantinons. He feared that, if delusion existed, it was; to. be found in a very dilderent tweeter. He had said before, and would now re -state, that triennial Parliaments, which *emitted. to be a middle course proposed by some, would only have the effect of diminishing the estimated price of seats. In his opinion, there was uu permanent safety for the people but iu • annual Parliaments, and in a plan white' should at least ex tend the right of suffrage to all housekeepers. Mr. IVAilltE thought the Noble Lord, who came down to . the Ukase, night after night, with bundles of petitions under . his min, might be compete d to a luau's mercer hawking about his wares. (A laugh.) Not satisfied, however, with those bundles of petitions that were transmitted to him, he was so was ni to the chase of new mies, that he ran shown into Hamp shire, and next day brought the petition from that quarter, that it might he served up not, and put on the teem of the Heuse. The Noble Lord find talked of the coolness and wisdom of the people; but even according to his own stain. matt, this I laiiipsbire Petition was discirsaed, approved, and st....,nrit by 21,000 people in the short space of an hour! So eincli for the coolness of the pimple. He was decidedly of opinion, hoe over, that the doors of the Howe of*Commona slionld be thrown ()penes wilt ly as possible to tee reception of .Petitions; nor did lie wish that when Peetions were presented, they should he hypercritically examined ; List at least they should be written in seek a strain, HS rum make them tit for the emistitutional representatis s s of the nation to receive ; fur so lie whosild call the House of Commons, until it was shown that they were otherwise. He presumed, also, that the pure channels which these petitioners Mr universal stiffrege chose, as t he mediae' of con sey ing th dr prayers to the Heusi.. was to he talieu ne untidier proof of their wiolien. II seemed aq if the itelividnak who had dived deeeest into t nrimptiou, wet avowed it the most unblushingly, were selected patrons of the-e wise petitioners! (Loud cries of 10 . er, b-er.) The Nou:e. Lord had himself avowed, that he mice owed his seat to that Hie se to the Whim of Houitou; and another lieu. Member declared, that he was one of six persons whit hail the right of presentation to a lowough; and though he drew iti the MIME train, like one of the six grey horses in the Lord Mayer's CORCII, be was a sere sleeping partner, and revei%ed m i n e of the mouey Which was &scot for the horeligh, but was him self sold. Sir M. W. Itinery said, he had no doted that it was not the Noble Lord's wish to do mischief; .'it tient:Me, es lie did, that the Noble Lord's motions out the subject ut I;teorin were calculate:', by going abroad, to produce mischief, lie