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154 Sinv HOUSE OF LORDS. alnrinAll, MAY 14. The Earl of C AUDER I) ALE presented a petition from Hall against the limber do ies bill. The Earl ut LAUDERDALE rose previous to going into committee on the Oranspound Di•fralichisetisent hill, and repeats d his (dip climbs to it. He could not bring his mind to believe is was • meassire founded in Justice. Ii would not be just to tarnish men for no crime whatever. It was clear * I uf the Orampotind voters had cum mined no offence. 'the noble earl had heard lt of parliamentary reform. Heat onetime was a parliamentary reformer, bat the ntommit be changed his opinion Oa t h at *abject. be became a strong advocate against that ques tion. He was nut ashamed to avow his opinion. Hr was convinced the remedies proposed were not calculated to hem fit the public. The noble earl concluded by moving, that • rommittee be appointed to leave out of the bill Hie rimes aof the mayor and aldermen of the botough of Gramponud, for she purpose of distinguishing oily the names of those who had here proved Reilly of bribery. The LORD CHANCELLOR pat the question. The Earl of CANNA RVON defended the principle em whirls the bill was wool/hi to. The persons supposed to be pure and innocent were the nombiess of those who had been lathy of corrupt practices. He expressed • hope that the home would nut go biro an inquiry which could 'maw er no dillies purpose than to luse the bill. Tin LOUD CHANCELLOR was decidedly of opinion that no measure was so dangerous as measures of initial ....form. It had ever appeared to him to be violence to the has of the constitution to bike away from innocent men the right of voting—not became they had committed any oftener themselves, but because others had been guilty. The Earl of LIVERPOOL said, the meting, was made to defrost the bill. The only qnestion was, whether they could are eIsOUNII in the pi ineiple of the bill to go into • committee ? The bill ltad been milled a bill of pains and penalties. It certainly deprived a body of men of their r sad privileges, Wit the question was, whet were those tights and privileges? He did not support the principle of the bill because he was • reformer, but be cause be was against sweeping reform. He thought the best way of relormiug abases was to prevent and check them, when they were clearly proved to exist. If ever there was a ease snide oot, it was the ease made against the borough ofGrampound, whose very profits were made to depend ou conniption. The noble rail supported the bill, and expressed his readiness to go into the committee. Earl BATHURST opposed the bill. In adopting it they look apart themselves to transfer a great mild im portant sight from ant body of persons to another. All this opened • door to partiality and favour, and esta blished parliamentary jobbing. Hr considered it a must dart/germs me asure. Cird HEDESDALE objected to the measnre, on the ground that it laid down a precedent for parliament toady who !Mould, ur not, lir elrc•urs. It was adopting a pint. emir unknown to the constitution. ♦lter ramie further conversation between the Marquis Lansdowue soil Earl asthma', Lout Lauderdale's mo tion was negatived without a division. SIUMOUTH rose me the qtiestion for going into the committee, and strongly objected to it. The Marquis of LANSDOWNE then observed, that oppmition to the coo eeee Uwe had atisra cootrary to ex pectation. lied it been generally known that the question of going committee would have produced a diseits. stun, et trait twelve lords, then absent, would have been in the house. The noble martinis moved, that the order of the day for going into a COlllllB3lllCe on the bill be post. posted to Monday. After a tre observations front the Lord Chancellor and the Earl oh Westmorland, the molten was agreed to, sad the house adjourned. TUESDAY, MAY - - The house met in a committee of priviletm on the claims to the Strathmore Peerage and estates in Eli/gland and Sent. lead. Atler "illnesses had been heard, further proceedsugs were postponed to Tuesday next. The Ea: I of DERBY prevented a petition from the master rope makers, and others. at Liverpool, presto* for some legislative measures whit h may have the elect of abolishing certain new outebesori for ni.tkinit ropes had cordage. The usage earl observed, th..t he did not concur iu the upinimi expressed by the pttitiooee4, that machinery was injurious to their interests; but at the same time he considered it his duty to lay the petition before the home. It was accord ingly read and laid tin tier table. The - Earl of LIM EltleK snored for several reports of the innate eurinsittee on the expenditure of Ireland.— .rd 'rcd. Vi•cnont MELVILLE gave notice of his inteniinn in naive Ittnaiiirru* the second reading of the Scott h court ui *clomps bill, and another bill—Adjourned. WILDNCADAY, NAY 16. TUC NABIL or JUICY O. SMITH• The Jedites attended the Home. soon after one o'clock. to deliver their opinions in the above appeal from the Court of CO*lllllll Pkilbe 'flit quest arts, ss heih.-r the nubile plaintiff had a right of re eau) upon premises, fifteen day. after resit remained •opntd. l'lm Lords had to 41e. ide o m the legal temettsietiois ut a lease, the pi:mail could claim the right contended for. ♦ftet moermil Judges had spoken, further proceed*. were postponed to fioday. ThebNls too th? table were severally forwarded, and the hotter ailjutaroert. THUM/DAV, KAY 17. Evidence was heard in the Muuldsworth Peerage, and further peneeedings rostponed to this day week. "Tin Earl of ROSSLYN moved the second reading of the Irish Courts ofJuatice Fen. Bill, which was accordingly read and committed for to.marsom. The Martinis of LA NSDON'NP moved the older tithe day for the second reading of the Gaol Pees Abolition Bill, and rho Stealing Privately in Shops Amendment Bill. The noble mar quis stated that the object of those bills was to assimilate the law 01 Ireland to that of England. Both were read thssecond time. The Irish Bankrupt Laws Bill was read a second time. The Jisiors &madame at the Assis,s Bill was commuted and repoited without amendment. The lioual then adjourned. IltlOAlo, MAY Itig The judges attended the tannin., and delivered their *pi .. .. n w the appeal Swill, u. Lind J.s.ey I alter which the Judgment of the lower cootie was ,esrs►rd. Mi. Irrwg , ti lie Ctivi..inv, iiseiteitied en account of the toiroitiAl lions llot. to 1527, pinetteiit to au Order of the hou se. Lord Lk NYON presented • petition honk. certain TUE NA,Tia inhabitants of Manchester whist hill.—Laid on the table. The bills on the table were forwarded ti•e stages., 1111514 STATIONERY, &C.—The Earl verted to papers MIA on the Lode relating to the supply of staiimiery to the government offices in Ireland; the report on the subject was voluminous, but there was mat ter in it worthy the attention ul the house ; the noble earl therefore gave notice, that he should submit a motion on Monday, the 4th of June. It was also his intention the same .I*y to make a motion us the subject of the public expenditure. TIMBER DUTIES KILL.—On the suggestion of the Earl of LAUDERDALE, the debate expected on the lingoes duties bill, which stood fur secosid reading this day, were postponed, with the consent of Earl Bathurst, to Tuesday, whet' the bill is to be commuted. The house went into a cu. 1111 l dire on the Irish Gaol Fees bill, which, with a few verbal amendineuts, was agreed to and reported. Their lordships then adjourned to Monday. HOUSE OF COMMONS. MONDAY, MAY 14. Mr. S. C. Whitbread, Sir R. Wilson, Mr. Denison, Sir W. de Crespigely, and Mr. Lanibton, severally presented petitions from individuals against the Newiugton Select Vestry ball, complaining of their names having been stir reptitionaly obtained in support of such in , and praying to have their names withdrawn front the petition fur such bill.—Read, and ordered to lie on the table. Mr. LEN NAM) brought in the Ipswich gas light bill. 'lle Manchester market hill was read • third tune and pawed. The Shrewsbury paving, lighting, and watching bill was read a third time and passed. Mr H. SUMNER pre-ented a petition from John Chil ton, the solicitor tu the select vestry for Newington, stating, that there had heretofore been must disorderly proceedings in conducting the parish affairs. II also slated, that most improper persons had, in consequence, been selected to fill the parish others. Suen.e.—Lord LONDONDERRY moved, that the house go into a committee oh supply. Sir J. NEWPORT hoped, if Use business respecting the Bank of Ireland were to be brought on at all, that it should be brought forward at an early hour. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER, in reply, admitted the adveutage of bringing this question forward rally. 1 he honor then went into • committee of supply. • Mr. It. WARD brought forward a resole t ion, previously postponed, tor -43,011 i. for defraying the rapeuces of the office of master-general of the ordnance. Mr. HUME cumplained of there having been 67 new officers recently •ppuinirti. Mr. WARD replied, that they were not very recent appointments. Only 22 had brew appointed by the amide duke (Welliugton); most of the others had been namod in the regular routine of office, previously to the appoint ment ef the noble duke. Cul. DAVIES wished to have one doubt cleared up— whether the heads of the several departments had the pa tronage of appointing offic•r. and clerks under them ? Mr. WARD explaincd the mode of arratiging the ord. stance drparlineut. The niastei-general was assisted by a board, and slit former did riot interfere with the ap pointments of the latter. Lot. DAVIE" thought the explanstino made the matter ten thousand times worse ; in the department there was only one geisei al line of conduct. According to the statement, the inaster-generol, the noble duke, was a mere puppet, the hum member and has friends lied the appoint ments and patronage, while the noble duke bad all the blame and responsibility.—(Haar, hear.) Mr. WARD replied,that lie hardly knew where he was, or where the bon. member could have been. Surely the gallant officer could fielders have heard their debates, or read any of their seporis i otherwise he ttttt st have kuusvn the nature of the patronage moil apposuinieula. Mr. BIRCH conserved, that alter so long a period of peace we ought to have approached nearer to peace este blislinteuts. But an extravagatit expenditure was conti nued. While the expenditure of other countries was renewed, Gras was persevered in; it was. tor installer, u,totr,thrni. beyond that of France. Ihe portions of Our spiteut weir resisted as they were brought tut wind. but stands resistance ors edited " petty war tare;' he, how ever should like to know what sort of *arbor was nasty to he successful, or what warfare would not be called petty. He &Model like to know, fur instance, what the corresponding clerks, who tout ~,4001. a year, had to do! Mr. HUME observed, that lie had uli a former occasion meant to be lerstood that since Ilse war there lied been I 1 pesona introduced into the depai Intent, whi.e these Were persona oh halt pay. W lest he contended was. tom those appointments ',meld have beau made trona the halt ilpay r; and that alone Monett have produced uposids of 7, OW rtaving. If there were no better reasons than what lied beau urged today, he thought the committee must admit the necessity of some change in coodtictisig the ordnance &pat intent. lif the master general had so little ccuestroul, II lie were to rely sin the septum oh those nude him, red if he had nut Shell all appin ttttt tent, did not such • sy stein oder premiums oil imperil ttttt lallolls I [hey were likely to be recomisienited on light ground, and Welt theme Were Vat:Miele' to fie tilled try toe heads tot the depots fluent under the master-gentral. He 'maintained that there ought to be a rethirtioal to the extent of 25 per cent. and he concluded with moving a resolution to dial etlect, tuck tag the sum 25,3151. On this amendment the committee divided—For the amendment, 7b—Agatust it, I44—Major ity fur the origival iesolsition, 65. On our seturn to the gallery we found the house still in t otentitter, and the chairman putting some other resole'. lions, attach were tweed to *Mult any (roses vation. Oil the leleallainti. ',slug put for maintain( the sum of 1 2 ' LSI. ::a. 4d. tor the corn depot Intents ut the ordnance in Wool* telt, Chieliate, Put tsmoutli, YiyisouUtil, and Ghee obey. Mi. HUNIE said, flint the whole of the establishments in the ilitleielit outline is were ruin eiy too terse-. With the view of reducing them hr should muse that 2.5 pee eent. he deducted tsuas ilie sum propo.rll, and that Ili .teed of 20,1631. 3s. Id. the snot ld he 14,1711. 17v.64. Osi this anici,,tni.iit :he edmmi ire de/wed—Fur tUe •thriiiiintAit,s3—Ax..inst it, llo—Atojoi ity, 37. 'I lie twits.- !hell I rsoi rued : the repast W4ll Limited tip, ordered to be rtreivcd to-moor:ow, and to be takeu into lurtiret eousiduatiou on Wetloevday meat. petit iftllll... died in consequence of wenn& lie received on the fatal Inia* August, at Manchester, praying for inquiry and redress. —Read, and ordered to lie on the table. Mr. Alderman WOOD presented seven similar peti tions ; the hest was hi am a female who had been dreadfully wounded on that day. They particularly (observed the hon. member) complained of the cavalry, but spoke well of the conduct of the regular troops. They also prayed for inquiry and erdrees. Mr. HOBHOUSE presented • petition from an indivi 'duel who bad been assaulted and wounded at Manchester —namely, from Thomas Kelly, who was atterwards im prisoned eleven weeks without say charge whatsoever being cohabited against him. Mr. HOBHOUSE. then presented petitions from Henry Thompson, of Hultorele-niours; Willisw Barnes, who waa attacked at nine o'clock in the evening by the cavalry ; Thos. Ashworth; Elisabeth Neild,wbe was ridden over ; David Dawson, the father Or Dawson, of some place in Yerkeisise who bud been cut down, and who had been =t to Lelieve that there was no wiuog without a re. Lord MILTON bore testimony to the artless and node signing character of this petitioner. Petitions rend, and ordered to he printed. Mr. HOBHOUSE then presented a peak,* from a persou who, lie said, hail übtained a melancholy notoriety iii the country. sod, be was sorry to say, also iu that house —he meant William Ogden. (Hear.) He had received two sabre wounds. Mr. HOSHOUSE neat presented petitions from three female's, and several other indis Wools, all of whom had been wounded.— Ile also presented a petition from SAIMIIICI Meier, who had been violently wounded. Petitions read, and ordered to be printed. Mr. Sergeant ONSLOW presented petitions against the usury laws Iron) the bankers, die. of the Wrlbi /tiding of Yorkshire, of Swisitiou, ate.—Read, and ordered to be printed. Mr. HARBORD, withont wishing to anticipate the hon. baronet's statements. which doubtless ovoid be de. scribed with ability and proper heeling, could not but advert to the transactions of the fatal day at Manchester. The meeting of the 711 i of August was objected to, but that of the 18th was not complained of previously to its taking place; and although troops were not brought to the neighbourhood, and placed in ambush, there was no reason to imagine that it would be so violently interrupted. Ha condemned the issuing of the warraut against Mr. Hunt, and the mode of • ling it, which was nut by the proper authorities, but by a political soldiery. (Hear, hear.) The magistrates had doubts, nor was the cabinet without them ; and it was painful to know that a clergy. matt had taken a conspicuous part in the transactions of th•t day—and who had since that time obtained prefer. client in the church, doubtless tor his virtues and tempe rance. (Hear, hear.) As to the events of that day, 1141 confessed that since then, particularly since the Oldham inquest, he had trembled fur the personal liberty of batmen, and fur the country's character for eveu.handed justice. He believed that the riot act was read, but in such way that nobody heard it. He believed there was no way of obtaining redress but through the medium of inquiry at the Isar of that house. Sergeant ONSLOW would not anticipate the debate, but he could not suffer to pass, without reprobation, the calling the description of coustituti 111 l al torte, the yeo augury, a political soldiery. As to the allusion to the Ksv. Mr. Hay, he observed that tue preferment canoe from a distinguished prelate, and bad been promised two years ago. (Hear, 'tear.) Lord MILTON observed, that the yeomanry of Eng land had nut beau alluded to, but those of Msiicherter.— ~. (Hear.)—As to the living, had not an arrangement been wade with the prelate to give this living to 'lr. Hay, Oil condition or having one in the gift of the government il3 return ? Mr. HARRORD added, that lie had beard the state. mein, and lions one of Mr. Hay's friends. This petition and two others brought up were read. Mr. F. PALMER presented a petition front 1). Ellis, comp) g ut tile proceedings at Manchester. Mr. LORE presented ids petitions Irons inhabitants of Middleton, who had been cut down with sabres. Ms. S. C. WHITBREAD presented pew tuns *rum Jas. Boothey, eite. complaining of the proceedings ut the ca valry, of wounding the petitioners, etc. Mr. LEN NAM) also presented petitions from Elisabeth Tay, an others, who had been trampled upou and ens with a shore at Blanchester.—Read, and ordered to be pinned. Sir It. WILSON said, he had 13 petitions cos the same subject. (A laugh.) He thought ►t was nu laugligule matter. (Hear, hear.) Niue ut the petitions were Irons women; all bad been cut down, or trampled upon. Oilier. were ti um Joseph Jones, Joseph Fustian, Ed wit. dottiest/to, Wigiatr Clieetliam, (who ned been severely wounded, who spoke of the conduct of Lurd Stanley, tee.) 'limy prayed liar inquiry end redraw, as the uuly tannins of restoring coundence in the laws.—He desired Cheethain's petition to tie particularly read, as the petitioner was severely used by the " cowardly trumpeter," and as it spoke of Lord Stanley as a magistrate. Lund STANLEY admitted, that he had been foreman of the grandpas). He did belong to the troop, as did the petitionei ; and he owned he had expressed his regret to see the petitioner in the situation in which he was placed before the jury. Hot he had not laughed at the petitioner, us - treated mins with cuutempt.—Pettimus ordered to be printed. The other petitions were from Joseph Brierly, Margaret Booth, Aura Whitaker, Elisabeth, Isaitella, and Helen Hardy (three sisters), Mary Peel, at c.—ltead and ordered to be printed. Su R. WILSON then presented a petition Rom Robert Taylor White, who Coniplaitied of a persecution muter the law—if law could be applied to such a trousdictiOn as he desert tied. several other petitions were presented, with similar prayei a. M ?deli ter Eft Buss le tes.—Sir F. BUR OFT r then rose to bring turnout his pi wished motion. In doing so,lhe bun. baronet euteted low an aiiininied mud indinressive detail of the calamitous events of Ike 18th of Aiyist, Ibl9.—Oue advantage lie maintained, had b. en obtained by deliy—they bail non 'uncut( d the aiiiiiicst ana tile most trospernte le counts ol the events ut that fatal day. But it was afflicting e Itiodo that all these accounts teudee to shew the esag,e. ruled, the Amenities., be might say, the false statements gnat . INAL REGISTra • „ ili um t h e mambas'," Begets The other wrders of the tiny tea re thee slispueed of, sod the hums 144,1n-ord. were forwarded la their respee. TUSADAT, MAY IS. MARCHEITIR EVILMTS.—Mr. BENNETT presented !.—The Earl of DARNLEY ad- petition front JlllllOl Lee 4. the brother of Lees who died - - - \