The National Register. — London, England, 1816-03-04 00:00:00

MARCH 4. re tt aktion of the Civil List in future. 'I hem r, not he al/V arrear, as compared %%Oh the estimate of ho li t %ft. . . Mr.TIERNEI( hoped that the present enquiry would lead to a d,oussionrhat might gix c ❑ tesSOn to a Certain person, and Cleo hint to pay his debt, bim.elt 144 the Hasse remember, that the last payment atiOrded :ty that House had not been re. eei-..ed with Cemmon decency ; it bad beim eonsi&r,,l co much a m.r+ ter of course to defray the Prince Regent's t xu.ivaganee, that no thanks had ever been returned. ARMY ESTIMATES. The debate on the Army Estimates being resumed frrilit last night, Mr. LAW said he should vote in their fa% oar. Lord For t WOWS r made a most able speech on the danger of so large a force. lie felt us strongly convinced as he could be of any truth, not manifest to his outward senses, that the re ex isted in some quarter a resolute determination to establish a military government in this country. Mr. it. WARP said, the establishment now proposed war ab solutely necessary for the protection of the country UII4 our coluni<s, and he trusted the House would feel no difficulty in voting it. Mr, JOHN SMITH considered the words in the Regent's speech, that the trade and commerce of the United Kingdom were in a most flourishing 3ituatiou, a , only intended to deceive the country. Sir FR A NCI% BUR DETT made a long and able speech against the Estimates, which was loudly cheered. Mr. TIPRNEY described the financial difficulties of the country ; he considered the props sed Estimates as no provision against future evils, but present exhaustion and ruin ; and it ever war did come, there must be a stop to the payment of the interest of the national debt—sac must di fraud our credi tors, we must sink in bankruptcy, The CHANCELLOR of the EacHectura replied at length._ The Wine divided--for leaving the Chair, all ; against it, 121.—Majority in favour of Ministers,V4o.—Adjourned at foul in the morning. TWLR'DAY, FEB. 29. PROPERTY TAX. Petitions were presented Irons Exeter, Devonshire. Ash burn ne, Ito WI - , and from Reading, against the Property Sir JOHN Six FON wished to state fairly his sentiments on 'he last Petition. It einitaired, es a prokoinent feature, an imputa tion on the C•evenoneut of a greet dereliction of piinlic faith; as the tax was ti. be appliclde only to a state of war. and nev..• to a :lore of to sce. t 0 desired to see the end of the tax :is inkuth any vi the petitioners could. He had attended P.e..;;rnciu. diligernly lest session t aml he never heard any de elar..'.on, liter which a nrcaA of faith could be impi d, from any bitliviltud. whittevec imglit be his otiicial situt...ton. It would be aluitird to suppose that Parliament made any pledge. It was a.ways in the power and duty of Parh .tent to take prop' r meast.ces to , %ipe as ay eli the arreeis of a war. He ago r!, clef- lest:times, that i; was lesitable n. t to rt c.• . ''• 11l t ero,ll its containing evils which not a.. '';• persons •^re • . • wood pay n0t!.141,_ to the ti :tvicoltural isitti,,t pecul.arly e,:t!•ri:•,l coo,n,,.i . cis acre in many u,- .overunient would be de- re:.,. di,n• A dt it 81..11 0;11 ceived proili.ce so . the 51. MR. Ht/ I R was t the learned gentleman's eon- I stitneuts we It: to him. , ..rri I e.t his cute against the tax, which was the most .topurtaiii frantic of the pi tition. Certain ly Parliaiattit coulii but pow a pie nge ; it mast tI.. its duty ac cording to cirentioaate , s; bat the e a s e was am erea , as re apeeted Ministele, ..tio were charged with forfeiting their !sledge to Parliament; Wheal wits the real fact, and a matter of grave and important consideration. The aim ays a question between Parliament and the Crown o:?lhe statement of Minister , . 1 - k had also attended diligently lest session, and he bad a distinct recollectiou that the tax was held out as a war tax only ; to ask now to impose it as a peace tax web a for feiture of a promise. Mr. DAVENPORT disapproved of the tax as a peace tax. He wished ILe House to stand well with the people, mid reject it. Sir C. Mem DAL NT said, that the breach of a pledge reaterally throughout the country was anion!, the chief contplaints he teemed wherever lie went, and formed a strong a rgusneut against the renewal. Petition ordered to iie on the table. Mr. Dschixson presented a petition against the tax frow Wellington in :..inuarsetakire, which stated various reasons for not renewing it—the commercial and agricultural distress, and the danger of a standing army. He was convinced that not only the property.tax, but also many others, must he taken off, ur the farmer would nut be enabled to till Lila ground. He could now borrow no capital. It' the tax were not re ))))) %eel, we should soon see one class of society sinking down ; and what wonhl become of the lowest? If two persons in 1812 had laid out equal SUM of money In the funds and in laud, he who bought land could now only let it at one-half, if he could meet with a tenant; but he who funded would hay doable the corn lie could at The time he bought in. The difference NTS as sto 2. But the Minister wanted to do all he could to prop up the filmic Unless a man thought the funds rotten, lie would therefore sooner place his money there. It appeared to he the policy to make the fluids all, and the land nothing, though its cultivation was the foundation on which the superstructure at national prosperity must lie laid. Mr. STANIFORTO presented 4 petition from Hull against the -Property-tax. lie considered that a pledge bad been maue and orteken. He regretted to say, that if the Property-tax was CArJ wet, many would pay nose than they ought, to support appearances and credit. Mr. THOMSON said, it was universally understood, in and about Hull, that the tax- was roily a oat tax. The country would Lave hut little reliance on parliament, it' it suffered this tax to be renewed year after vear, when the necessity t:tr it bad ceased. There had atit be. nin I lull in ten years so many bankrupts as during the last tea months. The hardships ot agriculture were excessive in that neighbourhood. Aieeeliaats could appeal egainst the charge under the tax, and an hottest mail's word might be taken as to what his atihirs we r. ; but the farmer could get no allowance ; kis appeal was ageless The people had yielded to the weight of the tax like sheep and bad been shorn to the bone. He hoped the eat et of the peti tions *mild he, that se c should very soon hear that the tax was dead and gone. Mr. LOCK/CART presented a similar petittcn from the united parishes of l.t. Andrew and St. George the. Martyr. He thou ht the tax peculiarly hard on tr_ders ; yet u property tas, it' ne cessary, might lie so framed us to reach the me ins of those who bad really Site aLility to p y it. Ile et-aild support a property tax nioditied with a stew to the funis and placet and pensions. It' this was railed a breach of faith, ne should say it was ti.e first dun et' Parliament to adopt all uwast.res That were fair and expedient le p Nitwit the agre•oltur of the couolly. - Sir J. Ni WP , the Hon. Member should, in his .opinions reject ti.e eieaiieed tae, awl bring ha a bid ace arditig to his 0“11 V it' . ll. Li &Akita; places and pesaioue fie would give Lint his support. TITF, NATIONAL RVGISTER. land N et.exr observed, that the object of the bill wa• to dive ministers a great revernie before they hail given one proof of their sincerity in their professions of economy. He should oppose the tax under any modifications, unless lie_ saw some proof of retrenchment. Sir C. Bunn au. remar►ed. that in pri% ate life the violation of a pledge would be esteemed dislwnoin•able. Covet mein, wt•hen they pledged this as a w:u• tax, should have kc pt their faith at all events He hoped the tax would be abandoned. Mr. BMA GUAM observed that att. nipts were made by inte resta d persons to cheek the exp.. ...inn of public opinion ri - speeting the income tux. H. instanced the ease ef a Mayor of a town, who had set himself against a petition for the non renewal of the income tax. This mayor had thm.e sons in the nary and one in the victualling department, and might have good reasons for siipportio:2. .fie income tax. This, however, was only one fact, out of au immei.se number of others, with Wltirll he should not then trot•ble the House. It was ignite enough to skew the means wiiich had been taken to stifle the voice of the country; but if . the people mice made their voices 'card, the Government would be obliged to obey them. Mr. AiIIiCTIINOT could pledge his honour. that no influence whatever had been employed by any part of his Majesty's Go vernment for the purposes to which the honourable and learned gmitlernan ha.. alluded. Mr. Bit.itintsm had only said, that the influence was local, and not that it had been produced by the Treasury The Right Hon. Gentle•nat., however, would find, that as scion as any objections were made locally, intimations •wintlil be given that such a one was a very good friend to his Majesty's Govern ment. ARPITHNOT did not confine himself to the Treasury, bet Lod posit. ely stale -I that no part of the government nhat ever had intertered on tie-i , occasions. Mr. PoNson BY was sure the Right Hon. Gentleman was in capa.de of ,sating any thing that was not the fact, as far as his own knowledge went; mit there might be an opinion in persons holehug situations in his Majesty's Government, that their in fluence should be exerted to prevent these Meetings from going forward. The conduct of Miuisters had not been such as to induce certain persons to suppose, that their zeal in precluding the people from presenting petitions to that house would be very disagreeable to them. L.,rd Mu. Tux Myst rved, that persons who were looking to the goo trmment for patronage understood these matters very well, without having received any special intimation. Indivi duals had stated, when applications were made to theta for sup' tort at elections, " I have such and such sons in the army, and therefore I cannot support such a candidate." Mr. Altili:THXoT begged to slate most positively, that in no w ay wh a t e ver had K os enoneot authorized any persons to pre veld petitions from being sent to that home. stir GEORGe WARRENnaa knew that a great difference of opinion existed in many parts of the coontry respecting this measure ; but he could confidently state, that in his neighbour hood the plan of finance of his Right Hon. Friend was parti cularly approved, beemise the agricultural distress would h e relieved by upholding the public credit of the country by meatus of this tax. From all he heard, he could not tbrbear to observe, that it' charges of this nature were to be repeated it would be a very pretty sort of war. The grossest misrepre gentutions had been circulated in the country respecting this tsx. Ile had himself read handbills, that it was intended to lay the tax on servants, and to deduct it from the wages ofattisans. These statements could he made for no other purpose than to excite public clamours from the lower classes of the people. It' ministers chose to recriminate, and say that gentlemen on the other side had made representations which the-lower orders did not understand, there would be tio end to this kind of war. Gen. FERGIASOW said, it might be very possible that many friend. of the Right Hon. Gentleman approved of this tax ; but with respect to the particular part of the cosentry from which be came, it had been always distingnislicel by a most tenacious adherence to every measure of every administration. ( 4 laugh.) Mr. 'Nosiest." , hoped, that whatever might have been the understanding between gosermnent and certain individuals, the people would continue to meet and express their opinions without the control of any mayor or constable whatever. Mr. Laninton's motion was then agreed to. Mill LANDLORD AN D TEN %yr BILL. Sir JOHN NRWPORT rose. ist pursuance of his limier, to move for leave to bring in a Bill to obviate eel taiu difficulties to which landlords and tenants in Ireland were liable. 'nee ob ject he had in view was to assir , ilate the law of Ireland to that of England, in so fu as, wholes er a tenantshould abscond, and not leave sufficient property on the preniises,the landlord might not be obliged to have recourse to the circuitous mode of eject. mein, but avail himself of that process which is used in Englaud. Having stated these objects, he should reserve himself for a more particular detail of the provisions of his Bill, if the HOUN.: should permit him to bring it in. Lease was gisen.—Adjourned. FIIIOA%, MARCH 1. Mr.GoocH presented Petitions from different parts of Suffolk, praying a repeal of the Property Tax. Mr.:4erjeant Osstow brought in a Rill for more effectually securing the Liberty of the Subject. To be read abscond time on the eth of April. Several Petitions were presented from Innkeepers, pray Mg a Repeal 01 tin additional Ditties on Licences. Petitions were plecelill el from Cordwainers Ward, from Dart mil, Acton, Norton Falgate, Bethnal Green, and other places, against the Income Tax. Mr. Coat; gave mike, that he would on Thursday week bring forward u Motion thr the repeal of the War Malt Tax. Mr. VASSIITART Said, hesishltl to take tke earliest oppor tunity of statiug, that his Noble Friend (Lord Castlereagh) was as yet too marls indisposed to attend in his place. He trusted, hones er, he would be ,ufficieatly recovered on Monday rest. Ou this account he would itsw propose to postpone the consi deration of the Army Estimates till that day. This was ac cordingly ordered. Mr. ATKIN% WRIGHT presented a Petition from the inhabi tants of lee county of Oxford; and, iu doing so, drew a picture of the distressed state of the agricultural part of the country, which. be said, was m gteat au,l su sect re, that no persons who bad uut personally witnessed it, would credit. Mr. G m gar s it. strongly recommended .reonoissy to Adua nistratiou, and earnestly urged 'actin to abandon the idea of continuing the locowe Tax; a tax, Le sisid,oo oppressive, that the country which submitted to it, without the greats-t and irdst 11. Oa U. cessity, diet not deserve the name of a free cotritry. Mr. 'Posisotinv did not rise to suggest any other mode of raising :lie money necessary to meet-tilw(unposed expenees ; bur. to state that ahaost every Gentleman vs ho had risen in the Howe ion wlottever side t had sated his objection to the In come Tax; and the voice of the country was responsive to the voice of those Gentlemen. tie licip , od OA the se tuns ersal re_ •ent pre s . • ens would have :heir effect; and it the Right Hon, lieutlema should still feel the iteiinatLon to press this fa. %mirth. tax of his, that the House would force him to abitudon it. To talk of sithstitotes for this tax was quackery; it was mere deception practised on the public ; there WiLi no remedy for the present existing distresses of the country but retrench ment and economy ; and that measure he trusted they would he fiwced to adopt. Sir J. ()wets hoped the general expression of objection from es cry part of the country would induce Ministers :.• abandon the tax. He feared, that persevering in this tax would change the nature and character of the country people ; who, instead of a race of hardy independent peasantry, would become a de graded race, obliged to depend on their parishes and charity for support; as SOCA was the distress of the farmers, that they could tit, longer find them employ. • He was no financier,-but he must cool, S' , l he could see no objection to having recourse to the Sinking Fund, did he think the. Stock-holder could have any right to complain of a measiire so loudh called for by every part of the kingdom, at all events he hoped the call woublprove successful; and that the voice of the people. thus generally expressed, would ultimately oblige Ministers to give up this odious and tinconstit utiona I impost. Mr. Coke (of N ortblk ) Also opposed flue tax. He believed that if the voice of the whole populat i on of Vet country could be collected, it would he fonnd in opposition to this tax. The Petitioe was then brought tip and read, and ordered to lie on the I al,le. Mr. Biro: i; A)1 wis h ed to know it' any :teetotal we r e to be laid before the House on the subject of the Expenditure of the sum grant. tl last ses ion for paving off the debts of the Civil List. A Noble 'opposite had said, that gentlemen out his. (Mr. Brougham's) side of the House had taken up too strict a line of economy. He aud those who acted with hint thought differently ; and therefore he should now move an Address to the Prince Regent, for an account of the way iii which the sum granted by P a rliament for paying off the debts of the Civil. List last session, had been applied. Mu. TIEII NEli said, unless the Account+ were laid before the House on Monday, he should snore for them then, aud for the examivation of evidence at the Bar. The Address was the', agreed to. Mr H. Sumnen presented a Petition from upwards of 50111 of the Inhabitants of Bermondsey, praying a Repeal ut the property tax. 'lle Hon. Member ut the same time felt it Lis duty, as a Member of Parliament, to state his opinion of the tax ; which was, that no tax could be proposed that would raise such a sum of motley, and bear so e q uals, so lightly, or so fairly, on every class of persons, as this would do, or which was collected i„t so little expellee, or with so little vexation and trouble to the public. Sir J. NI AC KI NTO6H would have felt considerable diffidet.ce. in differing from the Hon. and respectable Membt r fur the county of Surrey, delivered too in so Mtn and manly a tone, had he not had the support of other Hon. Members al st as respectable as the Hon. Mernber for Surrey, by the opinion of many of the Hon. Gentleman's own Constituents, and by' Pe tition, front almost every commercial town in the kingdom. The lion. Member had said it was a fair tax, a tax nut op pressis e. and one that bore us light as any tax could bear on the people and also that it was collected at less expence to the public than any other tax. He must dissent front the Hon. MI inher in all these opinions, except the last. It certainly was a tax collected at little expenee. But one niece oppressive,. tutors unequal, more inquisitorial, or more odious and uncoil stittitioital, could not he conceivi d. Sir W ELIA 31 CI.KTIS presented a Petition front the Ward . of Tower, praying a repeal of the property tax ; as did also Sir JAMEY ciao, from Bridge and Vintry Wards, which were or dered to lie on the Table. Mr. CALCIt AFT presented a Petition from the City of Ro chester on the sante subject. The lion. Gent. regretted that the battle of Waterloo should have lot to the establishment of an army three times the amount of fol'llWf Peace Establish ments And that the conquest of Paris had produced the l'ro perty-tax. lie hoped the people would not slacken in their exertions to obtain a repeal of the 'fax, but second the opposi tion of this House ; so that by their 'united efforts their object might be attained. The Petition was laid on the table. ' Mr. CALV EIIT presented a Petition from the parish of' St.. °lave, Southwark, against the Property -ta x. The flout. Gent. wished to know from his lion. ( Mr. Lushington t whe ther it was the intention of Dlinisters to bring (lie Tax forward on Wednesday 'text, because his lion. Frigid had said, that it Ottill lint be * brought forward before that day. lie also wished to know whether they intended to abandon that •• wise and just measure," as his Hun. Friend Itadtermed it. Mr. la sntricros bad no difficulty iu giving an answer tio Iris I [on. Friend. He had informed the Mouse, that it was ha possible, from the state of other business (namely, the Army Estimates), that it could come on before Wednesday; the Report ut those Estimates, supposing they were voted on, Monday, would be fixed tbr Tuesday, consequeidly Wednesday would be the earliest day iu which his Right Hon. Friend coul7l imbutit his Proposition to the House. Perhaps, therefore, it might not come ou so soon. ti its respect to the utlter question. lie must state distiuctls, mat (lucre was no intention to anandua flu! tax ; because utisti he woad repeat the words).Govertintent. thought the measure a just and wise one. sir T. Ati.AND presented several Petitions from various Pariohts in Devonshire on the saute subject.—.ldjuitriird till Monday. . TUESDAY'S LONI)O.N GAZETTE. BAN KIWPTS, • _ J. Dobson, Dopesi.hause, Stapleton, Cumberland, bacon-actor, Is, surrender, March 14, 13, April 9, at the Grapes Inn, Carlisle. Att.. Mr. Young, Charlotte-row, Mansion-hovse.—G. Waugh, Orton„Cuni berland, butter-I:Actor, March tl, 28, Apr.l 9. at the George and , Idragon Inn. Carlisle. Att. Mr. Young, Charlotte-row. Mansior..hotsc -c. W. Battesley, Ipswich. booaieller, March 7, s, April. 9. it vup Golden Lion Inn, Ipswi,h. FA.1...y, and Co. Furtmars lmt J. Ccx, Live:: linen-draper, 11, W, April 9. at tl,e Grocer Inn, I ivcrpool. Att. Blialstock, ant: Co. Temple..-lt. and It. Ellis,. Clipsusie, Nerthampton. farmers, March .9. IQ, April 9, .at the Stern's Inn, 31arket.liarborough. Leicestiisire. Att. Mi. Coodman, chester-greet.—Wr. Garth, &Drive, Lidicarlitra. ei.tton-s - r inner. Mania it. 19. April 9, at the lirnicewater Aans, Manchester. A:t. Duckworth and Cu. Nlanchester.—W. Ilea. Marsden, I.anir,sliire. cotton-spinner, March le, 19, April 9, at tjte Ilridgewater Arii.s, Man chester. Att. Duckworth and Co. Manchaster.—J. Cooka. Nlnnehester. hat-mainuacturer, March 13. lei. April t, at the lit7i.ito Dear Inn, Altuirhater. AU. Mr.:I:AV.:, Cluincerylane.—d.'o4a . ni, East Teilptmoutli Devon, merchant, March 13. 114 April 9, at the Public Booms., Teignimnoth. Att. Mt. Dore, Jun. Haas ar den.—J. Cock.. Canterburc, March 11., 12. Aril.u. at the. Guildhall. Canterhur7. Act. Dyne and Son, dir.coln'A Inzi.tic4ds.— .1. Cooke, Cotton, Salop, dealer. March 11, IY, April 9 at the Talb ot lnn. Shrewsbury. Au. Clarke awl Co. Caancery-lane..:-G. !Nun 11.•istol, furrier, March ii. It, April 9, at the t'onirornial llourns, Bristol. Att. Edmunds and Co. F.`achequer.(Xlice Idriculn's Inn.--l';. 'l'tedntuirt„ odor, March 11 12, April 9. at the. rr.stle Inn, 'l'aitnton. Att. Blake and 50 . .., Ciiik'a.e.that, Carey-street —J. Folcman, Cuitrick.Staffirdshire, (12. r, Fro. cp. Sti,ch I..c "ril 9, at the Swan Inn,Stafforl Au. Cogitations!, Co. Stadhrd.--G. Laing,