The National Register. — London, England, 1823-04-20 00:00:00

•1... I _ S . was added, that it struck at the British conatitutieo itaelf.- (Load s olmers.)-Ezplanation however, was called for, hut the assemed-meaning was not deuied ; nay, such was the delusion, that it was thought that each a speech was the specific for Spanish accommodation at Madrid.-(Hear and laughter.) - Other communications took place throsigh Lorill•F. Somerset, lint it at last appeared that there was Ile other comae thee se state oe the part of Buglan.l explicitly to both pa•ties the coarsethat would be pursued. During all the proseeslio•Ni it it was stated to Spina that the course of England wou ld he neutral. (Hear.) It was not left to Spain to draw inferences, the fact was stated explicitly. To France each declaratfon was unnecessary. The concluding dispatch was feel himself (Mr., C.) to our minister at Pais, being a recapitelatien of the sego- Ariatiorls, See. declaring that this country could Not force his Catholic Majesty to do that which was derogatory to his Crowe end dignity.-(Hear, hear.) -It was added, that though the re cognition of the independent lags might be deferred, there was no intention to take possession of any of the disputed colonise. So that mere wan no chance at coliseum between France sod Engler'd on this polio. lie added that any unprovoked attack would call for resistance from Great Britain; but there was much misconception on this point. It was a defensive 'ilium. -only-the question of peace or war -Mr England was not pull into the keeping of Portugal.-(Hear.)-Tuere was nothing . to involve Eugleod, if Portugal voluntarily courted atiack.-• lie did not say what it woull become England to do ; but ea. Sept there was aaprovoked attack, Elegised by treaty could- not be called on. As to the Spanish possession*, so.liseg es Spain had no enemy in Europe, the question was left, hot-not without rvpresentiug that the colonies were gone, that adjustment was adviseable, and that England desired no commercial advantages. -But Englaad had protested against Spanish concessions of those colonies being required, seeing that she line them not de foite.-(Hsar, hear.)-With respect to the great question be was prepared to maintain that it was not right for this country to involve itself io the war.-(Hear, hear, hear.)-There alight be cause for th • war, but was the came urgent? If urgent, was it consisteut with oar views and interests to embark in it (Hear, hear.) Ile admitted, that the reasons for justifying the invasion were more extraordinary than the invasion itself. (Hear.) Ile bad bees. surprised at them beyond all measure, knowieg xis he'did many of the eminent individuals who had • uttered them. There was nothing analogous to the attack of 1193.-(Hear.) 'What had Spain done like France in 1193? -(Hear, hear.) The conduct of France in turning round tipon Spain, as it now did, was ap. ion of reason that he weld not comprehend.-(Hear.) No war that this country world wage mild be waged without embarking in It all our resouroes, Mean*, and strength ; and that impression thron' oat bad dwelt upon -tic minds of milliliters. He believed that the country would approve the course of the ministers. Floe ministers were reserved on neutrality.-(Hear.) If they de sired war, let it be pronounced ; bat the neutrality be meant was an hottest neutrality-not oily to do onto others as we would that they should do unto us, bet to do as we had com pelled others to do nato as. Tbis was the neutrality...-- Although be anticipated some dlfetence If ispieiee epos. the mibjeet before the Howie, be had so real* to regret the part government bad taken with respect to the two tuitions, In difference they did not feel in the Epeeis' cause-on the con• teary, they most earnestly wished that 3paio might get tri nusplisoily out of the struggle--bht it Was 14.60 their hope that if the cause of Spain triumphed, she would hdopt the ream emeaded meals of preventing a repetition of calamities.. The eight toe. gent. combatted, declaring, that if there bad been a slight giving way, a slight concession of the point of honour , upon the part of Spain, be would at this moment lave to con jratulate the House upon the establishment of peace, instead of regretting the announcement of hostilities. Mr. BROUGHAM after all, he must say that he was left quite in the derk as to the penis' lint of conduct which minis tors meant to parscie.-1-(Hear. bear !)-He saw that neutrality wee the groused on which they intended to stand, sad that they bad declared never to assist Francs against Spain, It had Osseo said that the Duke of Wellington went is Paris to repeat what he bad done at. V • bet net one word had been said -about the Duke's aegociation at Yoram. Verona was the principal eharsoter-the Hamlet of the piece, and yet that -character was wholly omitted. felled bees declared that the -noble duke bad, with hie milker? arm, defended Spain en former occasions, and that with his deplomatie arm be bad vow defended mer e st Verona. It was then to be supposed Jhat the papers on the table contaiped the km lanosge of reason ' atreace. It was to be hoped that the documents were sot Emitted to that degree of remonstrance. Mr. Brougham then said with respect to the negociations, he should of coarse ab stain from delivering any amino opon them ostil the docu ments were printed. He called upon goal:aliment, if they were determined to stick to neutrality, to let that neutrality be real, ind not a mockery-a neutrality to be directed by the course whiob other satioas might parsue, implying of course that the war might be snob as *maid dreg others into it, and that they were nut to wait foe the best preparations of the the enemy. •• We all." said Mr. Brougham, •• most heartily, and from the bottom of oar hearts, pray for success to the Spaniards. This is the feeling of the English people-of the French people.-aye, of the French army too, who detest the • errand of cant, hypocrisy, and cruets}, upon which they are rent against a free people.“-(Clieers.) But that army was unfortunately under the controul of a few despots, who were now attempting a coveter-revolution, to get beak their estates, and a few priests, whit were sinuous to get back their well. lost tithes.-(Cheery.) Let the conduct of -England animate the oppressed. Having offered one vow for the success of the Speniari'•, let another be put up for condign punishment to the Aloorimer, who, if they were to perish, would perish amidst the delight of every liberal man in Europe-regretted by no busses being, except a handful like themselees, who sever felt for liberty, and never ought to have a single band raised t• restore them'.-;-(Loud cheers.) Mr. CANNING observed, that he had not made any one re mark which could he fairly construed into en assertion that the war was desperate on one side or the other. If the honorable end learned gentleman had understood him to say that the war was full of danger to Europe, and particularly to France, he had understood him correctly but beyond that his remarks did not apply ; be bad given no opinion as to the result of what wee now going on in the Peninsula.. Mr. BROLGIIA3I said, be had asderstoed from the right hon. gentleman's speech, that the Doke of Wellington was M altreated to deprecate the interference by arms as pregnant with danger to Europe, :ad particularly to France. hl r. CAN SING l across the table Certainly, certainly." The papers were now ordered to be laid on the table. The Naval snit Military Pensions' Bill was debated at some length, and the House divided on the question that it be com mitted-Ayes 133-Noes $ll. Some Irish miscellaneous estimate having been moved, and the remaining orders disposed of, Ilse lions. then adjourned at 12 o'clock. . • t , . . tirig NA'T'IONAL agdzigas. ISRV TU • RA ABBIL IS. Sir C. BOMVILLII and Mr. BOYD took the oaths mid their seats. • At'Pia,. EUSINFRa.—air. PEEL, in answer to a question, elated. that is the course of • few days he 'spatted to have to submit • proposition to the HOll.O respecting tbssfacilitatitri of Appeals in the House of .Lurds. basil 'fatai.s.—Mr. BROWNLOW brought forward his motion respecting the recent trials in Ireland, arising oil of the proceedings 10 the Dublin Theatre on the 14th December. The King's subjects bad been persecuted and haramed by the Law °Doer, and that in despite of the Boding of a Grand Jury. If individuals wore to be p.. on their trial without the previous finding of • greed Pug, the acquittal of a petit jury would have bees of little consequence. The outrage at the theatre excited the indigestion of al. [reload ; but when it came to be made the matter of Jack charges, of assassination, of poditical import, thee it aroused the.contrary feeling. The readmit of the Irish ahem, Mineral, toward the rioters of Dee. 14, particaluly in beiagiag them to trial on his informatioai, was contrary' to the principles of the Consututiuu, lee. and ought sot to be draws into a precedent. Mr. PLUNKETT, in risigg Dimply, said he was warranted is pursuing the course be bad persited, after the conduct of the Grand Jary, which had surprised every body ; that the legality of the course was unquestioned ; mid that as to the CIO, of Sir G. Jeiterys, and the Billingsgate language' uttered by , hire, it was not all parallel to the present case.—He repeerted that •aw, alter haviechad line to regret on all the strewn s t a nc e s of the ease.,lo llidtaot regret the course.be hid pur sued, aid which was the subject of ioaspirint with the hon. member. Haring concladed his statement, the right boo. gee- Homan said he igiould retire, leaViug his cease With cuefideoce in the hands of the Hooss He then hawed and retired. Mr. W. COURTNEY strongly condemned the sootiest, VI calculated to cominoe, and even to augment, ttiat unfortunate spirit of party which at protect existed in that country. He would move, as an amendment that the House should proceed ta the other Orders of Malley. Mr. D. BROWN *appealed the amendment. Colonel BARRY supported the original motion. Mr. GOULBURN defended ihe coadoct of the Irish govern ment, of which he formed a part, and of the acts dune by which be was prepared to take his fall share of responsibility. Mr. BROUGHAM felt mach pain iu bring obliged to sey. that however conchentionsly his right bon. and learned friend might have acted, still he had acted miconstitutionally. The amendment was ultimately agreed to witnuel • divisios Adjourned atone o'clock. • WEDRUIDAY, •PBIL Petitions were presented bee Memaglian and Antrim (the latter signed by 18.759 permitted, ageism army further 11000eM140* to the Retina Catholics Mr. B. COOPER proscenia a petition from tba Dowry and Clergy orGlocester, with a Amidst prayer—a petitipe in the' prayer of which he crisourred., He thought farther ormeossion to the Catholics would endanger the Protestant Establishment. Mr. P. GRENFLL said, the best security to the Esta blishment would be to ocimulde the oldies. and that he Tessler prised at the quarter from which it came. Sir T. LETHBRIDGE hail, that he shush! as'atelettly least these claims ; and that as to the gustier Whence this petition came, be should indeed 'be serprised if the clergy to a man were alt to come forward in resistacee of those claims. Mr. B. COOPER said lie should not by reply lead to a pie mature discussion. Ordered to be printed. EDINBURGH FREETIIINKIRS.-11.r. HUME presented a pe tition from isdividuels Oseetitpting the Zetetic, or Freethinkers' society, ionoplairiog of the Bdiedmirgli peke. having mitered their private room and carriedamay Caste books, fire. and had mid, the individuals primulas. , • Such thisgo meld noahe done it England, hut in Scotland it use law ; indeed, had the per sons been guilty of blasphemy." they were liable by the Scotch law all of them to be hanged." The Freethinkers said, that no two of them agreed is opinitles--that th!hr objects were to promote morals and virus ;-uad that, if they did nut so as oembl.•, they shook( sot go to'plasee of worship. They prayed the' such laws be repealed, and free, toleration legalised—a • prayer in which be concurred. The LORD ADVOCATE said, as these nutters had excited some interest is Scotland, he week] make seine obeerrations.— As to the law of the quashes, he ',said not enter on it ; was not disputed—what had been done was supported by the law, sad hr ahruak aot from stating, that it was under his advice.— He heard of the weekly meetings, of the denial of Christ, of the propriety of public worship, sod ores of God himself ; but lie could not give credence to what he heard. The /Merit( kith tom! enquiry, and all that he beard was fully confirmed. As persons to the amount of 200 assembled—amongst them very young persons, lie :bought be should here abandoned his duty bad he not interfered. He had held the persons to bail, and did not intend to wormed (either,. except the Hoes. or the in dividuals should require it; but that society bad not endea voured to continue their discuseioaa ; and a similar one at Glatt gow bad discontinued. Mr. MONCK said, if there were any Jews ha Scotland, they were greater blasphemers this these philosophers, In Scotland it appeared there was a severer inquisition than t hud masted even in Spain or Portugal. Mr. HUME was of opinion—against the learned lord—Drat Christianity would bear discussion, mid that it bad risen by it. —The law was detestable—yet the learned lord said it was • right law. He hoped when the petition was printed that it would be read by every member. The books bad beets kept, books that were allowed to be soli; is every bookseller's shop; why was that ? Petition ordered to be prided. Petitions from Beverly, Fermanagh, &o. were presented ageism the Catholic claims. Mr. PEEL preseete.d the 14111111 of the state of the Penile"- giary at Milltvank.—Ordered t be printed. Petitions wore presented against further coneessioss to the Roman Catholics from Ely, Eaniscortby„ and several other parishes.—Ordered to be printed. Mr. ELLIS presented a polities from Dublin spinal Ike Dublin Gm Light Bill. SCOTCH DIiTILLERIES.—Mr. CAMPBELL r• id that much anxiety existed on this schicet. and wished to know when the diminished duty on Sooteb spirits was to continence. • The CHANCELLOR of tko lIMCHEQUEW replied, cer tairdy not before October 10. bet the plans were not yet arranged. SumERSETSHIUL PILTITIOTI.—Sir T. LETHBRIDGE pre ',riled a petition from flomegsetseire, signed by about 3.000 persons, complaising of egricalteral distress, as an individual named Heat, who had gives it to bill bad informed him. He a milted that there was agricalteral distre • —bet be did not• agree with the petition. He had expected to stand in a very different situation with a different petition ; but the person already mimed; postaaaing feint/ ruing powers had led the meet ing sway from the petition which be (Sir T. L.) had advocated. Mg. ItOSHMISE observed, that reform athieli once could ..• _ ~,~ .-:, . .1". • . • • • • lea hardly be mentioned there, had tmw Sado greet way there, as • ' • indeed this petition showed ;—bet the Sherfthed most inapre pert, infused to sign it. Mr. Ot WYNNE and Mr. BANES justified the High Sherit's conduct. • Lord J. RUSSELL said a few woeds,after which the petition was ordered to be printed. Sir T. LFTH BRIDGE mid that this petition undoubtedly was the petition agreed to at the county meeting at Wells. Lord MILTON reactant *eyeful petitions from Doncaster. Ste. against that act which was so grievous to the farmers, the General Turnpike Act, praying for its repeal. Foßttcn Audits.—Col. DAVIES said the Foreign Secre tary bad omitted to state what coarse this emietry intended to perm. in the event of a Spawieh colony being attacked by nwhoi which bad slit reseuniestrtie Spanish coattail!; as Vales fie hiatus'. • Mr. CANNING replied, that he had required France to slower— .or could he answer fur every future, possible, Oka onvertainconfingemey. He bad spokes generally respecting • the Spanish colonies ; and he repeated that strict neutrality ivit the olojt•ct of this geveranie.tt, as severe fell as what this country lied ever enforced. Lord ALTHORP rose to mete for the repeal of Ilse Foreign Enlistment Bill. lie should centime himself as strictly as pos sible to the question; he was, however, he moat state,. the friend of peace—nut that lie did not feel strongly the violent Sad oatrageous character of the preheat attack oe Spell by Femme ; an attack that threattmed the liberties of all satisnie. The course which this country kited ((eternalised to perste was kaown, and be therefore admitted, that if redid ecit sheer *het the repeal was not inconsistent with the nentratilly, he siesed met fully support kis motes. As to tbespestiod if pone* or war, be must contend, that according to the pipers, eer eiders hail compromised the interests of thig country at Ve rona. (Hear.) Perhaps a declaration of wet would hate averted the atrocious attack op Spain; bat, he this as knighl. he thought the Moat/ohs could net have been io unmindful of their honour and good names, as tot to have listened to the firm support of inter-aatioaal law. War be did tot call fan, is the present dist of our finances and agrieeltere ; • at bb trusted that we were not so degraded as not to bet able -to resist aggression on our strict neutrality, eleouldjt be made.—(Heer. Isser,• heart) With respect to his motets, be liiiiitaised that the neutrality could be supported, eveu agar the reptel of the Foreign Enlistment Act, reviving former acts oti the mibjeet. Lord FOLILSTON.E !weeded the motion. Ile had read the papers, and he wetted huguage le express the ahem ind indipation with which the perseat had filled bit.—(Hear.) The truth was, that there was here. as there bad hese lbroup out lhaperatiatious a feeling fee Emmet. mid a feeling alminst B,ssiorwtHear, ) .The right "hoe. gmulelee bad been Madeldr be was aot .sincere ; bat tbeengboet that 'lllhaster aoldied and crouched before the Hamm of Illiserben: 9t Mat 16041(114.that lead brought_ as dews, mid diet kept is dowojilledieptisier atinieteri hob aid I:resell helot* Brume sod thatereillid destroy err domestic 'freedom. if its Wryest WON oat liettemod se. The coolest of our ministers was west estraordieary-but it was still More extritordinary that the • !Meister was still kept to guide oar councils. (Hem, beer: ) He lamented that lee had mot We pewee to Wens the Psrlta mest to withdiaes mialideinve froon..any mesh initialer. The 4ebt, the cursed debt bore as dews ; and till W. get rotor that interest enemy, there was not any hush which this mien. try mast nut submit to, mad which would not be joatified 'as other proceedings had been done by one minister. Mr. W. LAMB was spinal tie motion, and be wa aer pries4 that the sold, lord bed brought his naiad to melte it. AS hi Oil noble lord (Folkstowe) who bad mewled the modem, Its Whore the Ant among the foremost fir war for the Boer boat; bite ad eves eutstrippr the men wise were new. minis ters. (Cheers.) By supporting that war, La-became a party to all the coesetmemes; and if there were eeir perms mete then soother boned to see that debt paid whittle was now to he so violsstly polled down, it was the noble lord who lied just spoken. (Cheers.) As to the preseet motes, be was ageism it 'in principle and policy. If the bill were to be repealed. what less would it be than an act of hostility t (dear, hate Dr. LUSIIINGTON supported the modes. Dr. PHILLIMORE opposed it. • Lord .1. RUSSELL strongly urge' the repel of the bill. Mr. T. COURIZNAV objected to the repeal. To repeal this hill at the preset moment, would p• to declare ear assist( . Mr C. WYNNE *preyed the motion. He amid rot agie• to any measure which was calculated to plume the weepos of Engtislonao against Englishman. Such a mimetic* was eaten hied to destroy all English reedits& and he should dread the return of sorb individuals-to their own country ;he should consider then' us forming a body most alasgeruue to the tran quillity of their countiy, and ready to aid any party who might design the overthrow of the °meditation. Sir F. BLAKE thought if this country had taken a more de cided pal f, there would have been se war with Spats. Mr. CANNING complimented the noble lord for the Mode ration with which be bad brought this motio.i forward. Of the amble seconder, be would only say his coridect was the direct reverse of the noble envier. The lepers's. were in the habit of exposing a 'lase to their children is • state of intezimision, to guard them against tellies into that digesting vise. These was a moral as well as bodiky intoxication—the noble lord had to-night given the House a %metes') of the former. Thq bolds lord's speech reminded him et the oracles of the Sybil. ' • only the noble lord displayed all their ; ravings, without their inept. ration. (Hear, hear.) lie might. le accused of wieldier; t. France, but he certainly lever would truckle le the asble lord. (Loud cheering.) Tue right ben. gent. then preeseded I. . argue strongly against the raped of the bill, sad. ottoeluded by opposing the After some farther observations, the motion was 'negatived - without a division, and the House atljnernede THURSDAY. APRIL 10. As the gallery could set be opened till eller the ardor 6f dee day for the •• Cali of the House" was disposed 'of, the rush, when the gallery was opened, after fuer e'eteek, was treoem does. On micadmis.ion tete the ry, we understand tile order of eke day, had been discharged without being eefereed. the object of it, a full attendance of weathers, having been • secured. Cstnorte "FelTßOtal.—A vast number of pelitiettietpdast the Catholic, claims were presented. • Gee. GASCOYNE gate notice, that on the 24th instant he should submit a motions we tioc subject of the allowances of half pay (dicers and widows of iftfic•ra resident ie Ireland, bvag paid in Irish currency. Sir T. LEIHRRIDGE presented a petitinu from Sir Har-' court Lees api..st the claims of the Catholics. The petition, which was iesinst all further coasikalkialiii to the. esthetics, was ordered to be primed. NORWICH CATHOLIC PLTITiot4.—Mr. COKE presewleh petition fame 25 clergymen of the diocede of Nerwio" - , W fawn; (TO( C01i0111111441 see pole 116.) , . • c ,c.-..• •~.0...~- i ,