The National Register. — London, England, 1823-03-10 00:00:00

WFT bf that Ileum to minim whetioe: it WSJ eeneetinearate to seek purpose. If it were loadittle, they ought to add to it ;if too meek, it ought to.ber dinsinisbed.—(Heir, beer.)—About this right be thought there could be no doubt. The Huse had thawed the ftstabliebed teligine, and could do so agais.—(A laugh:} 7 -Sech was the tint. If the legislature were to make Quakerism the established religion, (much Isughter,) the bi shops, clergy, sad all the parepliereelia world be useless, Supposing all were Quakers, what would bemuse fifths chuck property 1 To slew that it was poblic property, be bad eel, to refer to the Statute Book. There were, for leutamee, Acts to precut the clergy from robbing the cherub. Having thus established the right, he proceeded to advert to the over grown church establishments of Ir:laadi—The population was 6,800,000 ; 1.1411 i, or 490,006 souls, were Protestants ; there were abort the same number of Distenters ; all the rest were Catholics. There were 22 bishops, 116 prebendaries, fec.— ie all 511 persons atteeding the chapters, &u.—Were so many persons reqiitite to muse sad superintend 1,289 beeeficest They meld sot.—Why were so many idle persons to be main , - seined 1 Why had the army bee. reduced! Because there bad bees more than were wasted, sod more than they could afford. All the deans and Chapters outfit to be reducei.—(lleit, hem.) —They were not *anted—there was nothing for them tc do.— (Hear.—He concluded with moving for a eonieritee. The resolution that a committee be appointed was preceded by two resolutions, deelnratery of facts that merited iseesti- Mr. GOULBOURN replied at considerable length. He maistained that the principle of the hos. nrembees modem milled on the House to interfere with the church prope:iy of licked ; that soul property WAS grunted for specific perposes , and that so long K the church 'tasted, so long as the duties were performed, iI multi be 9s lot to Interfere with such pro perty. He trusted that his veneration for the church was sot • Wed veneration • he hoped it was founded od rational posed' ; anti he therefore viewed the proposition now sub , milted, in which ever way he costemplated them, as decidedly tojest and welled for. Mr. Peel sad Mr. Pluakett opposed the motion-6th subject sou already under the consideration of the Irish Government. Mr. DENMAN supported the Motion—be unsidered inquiry u necessary. Mt. HUME replied, and The House then divided—For the resolutioa 62 , --egainst it 187—majority 105. 'this division was on the second resolution. The other reso lutions were negatived without a division. Mr. MARRYAIT then rose to move foe papers relative to the situation and intoner 4e which his Majesty's ships the Dotterel and Cornerion were employed In August last.--Upos this Motion some etroverlaUllb took plate, lad ultimately the motioa was Derides& The other orders were agreed to, sad the Huse adjourned. IFIEDPIEIDAY. MARCH 3. Tbe Marriage Validity Bill was reed t third time and passed. The mooed leading of The Marriage Act Repeal Bill was postponed till Moodily. Loewe Betoer..—Alderman WOOD presented the report of the committee os the petition, and afterwards obtained leave to bring in a bill for the rebuilding of London Bridge. The coomatterth of "apply and ways and means were post poned till Friday. The Scottish Creditors' Bill was read a third time and passed. The Assessed Totes Reload Bill was read • mooed time. end otdered to be committed to-morrow. Tog *Jesorrai—Sir T. LETHBRIDGE promoted sa tpetlAthi from W. Pecker of Cork. It partieularly oomplaiud of Lieet. Bird, an oldeer at the Cape of Good Hope. The esietence of &emits in [relied bad been denied, end the proof had bees dared ; but still there was good proof that such !served sou had ehistence. At flioneyburst, in Laseashlre, there wse Nab an establithment ; u individual of the same Bird, the brother of the person named by the petitioner, being at the heed of it. Its esisteuce bad been recognised fa the If of herds, with the statement that the serioss attention of Parthenon aim sou be called to the subject. The Jestits had large societies in the kingdom, and were largely oe the increase ; sad an hoe. haroact, • friend of his, bad stated, that 20,0001. were true witted to Ireland from Rome, for the establishieset of • Je suitical or Catholic College. The sum of 16,0001 had been laid out is purchasing Clongomes College—the proceedings of such societies ought to be watched. Mr. C. H. HUTCHINSON admitted that he knew, Mr. Parker ; that be was a good father, husband, and friend, and that he had olaims on the government for diseppeiatmests at the Cdpe of Hope. Had the petition been given to him, he should have presented it, however he might enter from its object, Mr. WILMOT said, the Colonial Department knew Mt. Parker, but they could not make out a cue for him. Mr. BROUGHAM, adverting to the petitions which he had presented on • former night against the Jeseith said, that there was • general impression of the feet of their etistemee. Mr. 11. FITZGERALD said; after Cardinal Gutsier. letter to Di. Poynter, if there wee any society of Jesuits in Ireland, they had not the 'medal of the See ef Rome. and therefore might be dispersed.—Petition ordered to be printed. Mr. ABERCROMBY rose to bring forward his motion ra sp/otitis( the Secret (or Orange) Societies. If Orange So cieties were justifiable sod harmless, let troth prevail, sod let the Government defiled thews if, on the oostrary they were prejudicial and outrieryto the Ism% pat troth prevail, and let south auoietici be put dew.. Their suppression would be a . _ booelit to the CathOlic, but a mob greatai to Ow Protaetaat.— 'flay *MC wawlpwry. ie Isla estiMMion, to the taws, and be wished OP ale ell laws trimaphant. He pointed eat the side ettiek and yds proceeding from the secret satiates called Orange $s dies. led etwroluding with addressees deumizig Orange Societies, and stating that the House was willing to co-operate with lbs goVerement la tie suppressioe of the same. Mr.. GOULBURN eoncorred in the general seatiments sa pressed by the boo. mover, end admitted the p•ejedicist ten. dents, of secret societies ; but be expressed the hope that the Orange Societies would not be confounded with other secret societies, die professed object of which was the separation oi the two government Whatever misobievons resells might ensue from the Orange Societies, and be admitted them, it would be noollected they were ionised to support the govern went. They had, however, so interwoven themselves with largeportit as of society, that the suppression of them would be difficult, might lit impossible. He begged the recent alfairi in belted, and the conduct of government respecting them. migl t sot be Made matter of discussion now. (Hear ) He stated that the Marquis Wellesley, in Isle despatches, bad room mended tbe torernment to bring romped a measure to swami rte the laws of Ireland regarding secret societies with flies of England —4 recontmeadatioe which it was the lateotion f goveramed to submit to the House. (Hem !) II • - T la NATIONAL MUSTER He wished. that, perinea to die prelim mods", he had had the opportunity of making such preposition to the Hosts Sir S. NEWPORT thoeibt those societies, sod all settee societies, ought to be pat doettlethest delay. Mt. DAWSON defended thoOMAge associatioas, *birth he said had always been fouadltareMojy:forereest in dermal of good order, the laws, and the eiseritetka , Mt. M. FITZGERALD slivoifdintlMMilled the Omer So cieties as teediag to promote/einem awl Whims 'toenail the people. He straggly tried Use weasel goverameat to adopt the same ensegesie coarse es was adopted by LosiGormwellis Mem he tookm himself the imsessmonts Mr. PEEL declared him isff dile decided meaty of wets' associations : in always km, hem so ; he had so declared himself when 'Secretary for Iroloiii. if. Mild. 4t the seem time, he was most needy Omogim to,4l.ltospitedge the higlinterhs aid great services which the mi Of 'heisted had Wormed. aphid both foreign sad duos*. - *semis.. Rs heikred their principles at peewit to he .16yalitidt abietitstiosal ; hut these principles might horsiest divisional', and whatnot their sow rim might be, he most disomotiommes secret associations. As the law now mood is Miiihoad. M wasao offesee to belong to • society in which VIM Himiaistered, his in Ire land it was oesessary ' 'rirtheititek *Ministered. He bad nn objeetim to mkt, late lolfetattd the same as it is is aser Ba After a few wools.F=Ketodap sod Mr. Casein, Ms. Aferennahie's ma Misfired. ' The other orders wesii libpsoll of, sad the Room al joermal TItLEDAT, KEEHN 6. • ImsotvosT Deere —Mr. DENNISON premotefta polo tios from Si. Mary's. Mermemiasy, sieiml the Lie~ . Debtors' Act. One pstilloier had 89 permit en Us hetet who bad tabu' the fit of Melt aelm mol from whom he bad sever recovered one ' The hen,. member thicken, it was sot 'Actuary to Kate a Wronger feet is it email*" or the laws respecting Insolvent Debtors.—Ordered to be petaled. The Rouse went into a Committee on the Irish Assessed Tares Repeal Bill.—Report to-motrow. The Lime Esemption frola Toll ILN, being to stplain the Gent cal Turnpike Act, was read a second time.—Ordered to be committed to-morrow. MESEMPT /ROM THE ICING.—Mr. PEEL presented a Mew sage from his Majesty, (see lords,) which stated *Mt doubts bad arises respecting the right to dispose of oopyhold, lease hold, sad real estates, se Mc Aceessioa to the Crows, and that the same doubts were likely to affect his Majesty's successors ; his Majesty therefore recommended the House to take the subject into emsideration, and to adopt such measures as alight be deemed Irelrfilitil.s Ordered lti be takes into coosideratioti twmerrow in a Cow. mittee. • . Powee or THE CROWN.--00101001 DOSS preelblid a pa tidos from Col. Allen, late if the Me raglment, beretofe-e stationed at Guernsey. It waif simAir proof of the moo strolls character that bad been eseamed by the Crown respett ing the disaissiee of officers. Col. Bailey hod soonaed him of making false returns. Acv A mart-martial was called for and granted; and Col. Allen was tried on. two charges for making false returns, sad for trying a Mil it the drum-bead. He was found guilty of the first charge, sad be was ordered to be reprimanded. The Ling eonirmed the senteeoe, and added to it that Col. Allen was to retire to half pay, or gait the tinily altogether by selling hi. somasisaidm He trusted that the House would listen to this cue. Lord PALMERSTON said, the prerogatire of the Crowe to appoint or dismiss Dicers was atugeestionelrle, and of keg elege4 and it was essential that it skated iseinsiataieed. The petitioner was loud guilty of the ebargea preferred against Wait he forth* bed been neglettfill df orders ; lie bad tree desired to abstain as math as possible from the infliction of corporal panishment, bet itt spite of this there were (revived courtcsartials. I. a few mooths fit individuals were tried, oe whom were ;4,900 lashes. General Betty had mutes peotedly weal into the soldiers' quarters, and he 'foetid two man in the sick ward labouring under the severe erects of menet corporal punishment. No returns however bad been made on the subject. This led to so inquiry, cud it was foiled that wi th ip a sheet period 15 twee were hied and received 1,700 lashes. All these things Were ie spite of General Or ders, sad there was no grouted of the emergency of the case r to justify the druns.bead itonete-martitl, the I egging, Ito.— His Lordship the* read some of the records of those courts martial. ono for having two blank cartridges in the bireanta his jacket instead of being in his eartridge•box, was -eallielermi to lib Isabel—another 25 lashes for supportiej his musket, instead of shouldering it—and another 100 lashes for drunk . Another man (all of them tried by drain-Wad oeurts-niartial)was sentenced for having levelled his musket ie the air, in an wieldier like way, had 24 lashes. And this was the individual who we. to be held op se having bees the victim of military tyranny. More might have hies charged agaillat Colonel Allem ; he was meaty ehwladTul of his saperiors and his inferitersiaed it was sot found that be ought to be oontinued in the communed of a regiment. He was permitted to sell his commissions, all of which he bad received by .the pure grape and favour of the Crows. Mr. G. BENNET was glad to hear what had fallen from the noble lord—the was glad to dud that the system of togging was so diatinctly disavowed. Col. DAVIS said be Only contended Chit Colonel All. had been proceeded against in an Hiegel . He was Abe imi• voc-te of principle, and not of the man ; and when the Bill wag brought forward, be should propose a clause to per tact otteeraagainst the exercise of such power ea 'the part id i the Crown. Petition ordered to be printed. Mr. GOULBURN rose, in porsearee of Ma promise last Session, to bring forward the propositions of Government on the sobjeet of tidies in Ireland. He should ask for leave to bring in two separate measures. The first would be for the oornmetation of tydres for a time to be limited. It could be proposed that the Lord Lieutenant should Lave the power, on. rep lion from a certain panther of tithe payers, to as semble what he would call Special Vestry Mt the District.— Such Vestry should have the power of naming persoas to ne gooiate with the incumbent of the perish, or rather with a person on behalf of such Incumbent, to adjest whet ahoeld be the tithes for a time to be limited. If the Comenissioaers should fail in settling the amount of the oomposition, it would be competent for them to appoint an empire ; and shoed these partiea fail, the Lord Lieutenant might appolbt a comesisaioithr to settle the time. After various details of the measures, lie ooneladed by moving for lege° to bring in two halo to regulate the commutation of Wises, &c. in Ireland. ' • Os bright' up the report of the !Catena! Debt Redeetion Mr. CALCRAFT strongly opposed the ale , as yaks toted to pot an end to any further reduction of taxation. He would propose that c further e‘esideratiou of this report be postponed to the dOtb of April. Oa this soda las House divided • L. r - IVRIOAY. ■ARCH T. 71 Roe int math of Mr. Wendt 1111—For reeeitiag the Re port 911.4114101. 11 / 4 Tbo report eras then reoeived. Tbe ether ord.-e were di:Toted e h and the noose ad /earned. - _ The Hoose was sentmomed to attend in the House of Peers, to leer the Royal Assent given by commission to Oath, bills. (See Lords.) Helms Taitt—Mn HUSICISIDON moaned a petition from permits is Liverpool, prayag for the eqoalinition of the Hoes* Deties—a petition. however. which be nodal net support. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER did mot think the listitiomers lied so strong a claim to relief as the retail shopkeepers from the Whoa* Toe. Mr. HABIB asked whether, in the proposed temiesioe of Wisdew Tlll, it ear intended to make my redaction rigardieg laser wierdows-i-whether. in fact, it would not be advisable to repeal the duty respecting afar windows or borrowed lights t they were the objects of weenie's serokerges. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER replied, that be bed no intention of proposing stab special relief ; indeed, if he were to attend to the ontsnoes where partial inconvenience was suffered, the would be frittered dews in various directions, till Mete world be little or liothieg to Melee. Pontius ordered to be printed. Lord Ft/LAWTON* palpated his notice of median re meeting the Satiable Adjestmeet of Contracts, founded on Mr. Thonipsosie petition, to the Yid April. Mr. 15ESta.• in a Coulidllette ems his Majesty's Message. Moved for leave to brag is a bill to remove mains doubts re spooling the private property of the Ilettreiges la the exist ing law. there were amermalies, which Lu was desires• le remove.--Leave given. Sir G. CLERK gave sieges tbdt ridiftiday meat, he should a • committee of apply, move fur the navy estimates, lamed PALMERSTON meted that the Hoes* p into • ewe. mittee of supply. • •• • .1 Mr. CREEVEY said, they were to be caned on to vote away 6,000,0001 fee the army, im aa Wit a home as be bad sees this *guinea He cameledod by tooting an amendment, pledging the Horse to oat dews the several departments, 100. as mach as possible. Sir T. LETHBRIDGE admitted the distress of the eoontry, bet he questioned whether the army retold be reduced to what it yea in 1192. The giving itp of 10 per mitt. net of the Civil List by his Majesty, was a magnanimous proceeding f but a similar reduction os the part of the great eaters of State would not be sulkiest. Lord PALMERSTON would mot prolong the discosidoe, but be ooeld Dot avoid remarking that the items of the esti. mates. if deemed objectionable, ought to be objected to in the committee—that sineebres were prospectively abolished—that Warier were prospectively redeeed, even those that had mot been 'defaced. Mr. HUMS supported the amendment. The estimates ought not to be proposed in so this a house. Besides the 8,000,01/01. for the army estimates, and 1.000,0001. for the extraordimaries, there was half a million for the yeomanry, swine* for various other objects ...tweeted with the army. He wished to see the mune, in each • state as not to require so large an army • but for min - rule, it wend mot be required. The people oug ht to complain of sash estimates and espeeditere. Amendment me‘atived without a division. The House then went into • Committee. Lord PALMERSTON said extended detail wield be Nene , pessary. The estimates were idech the same as lost year. Is the estimates there was a diminution of 18,0001.; for the in fantry there was an hareem of 24,0001. Staff reduction 1,0001. sie the whole of the flat ease there was a reduction of 24,0001. la the garrison Charges there was some slight increase ; but in the fell pay of retired general opoers and pensions there was a diminution. In the Window pertness there was am increase of - SOW. Os the whole estimates there was a reduction of 10001 • end compared with the estimate of the Somme coa lmine', t he was • reduction of 92111. He casoloded with ' Mewing the /rot grant, 09,00011 for had forces. • Mr. HUMS theaght there might be erresiderable rednetioes. .He should mot move say redaniens of men, al this pertineler Olds tits Bet it might Dot appear es if we were not prepared bt . that lime of policy which it was to be hoped err Mi• wield persevere% enforcing. Me however particularly Muipialeed of the member of cavalry ; they were at once the most espeesive and soden species of force. Sir A l MOPE defended the cavalry as • useful force, Mrs DENMAN said. if peace were likely to be maintained. the estimates would be much too large 1 but the question might be different in 94 boors, for each arrival seemed to threaten the It:miaalion or peace. The projects that had been evolved by the seari-barbarows powers of the North were of the most monstrous Mariner. They were too Mandated and marl ia Brisk it possible that they should ever be aetrd upon ; but now they bad heard them avowed in the Senate of France. He was glad to hen the sentiments lately tittered at Harwich and I.i. Teepee! (by Mr. Cussing Mn Huskisson); sod he was fur Civil add Religious Liberty all over the World." If France should attack Spain—it a French army crossed the Pt rennet., he hoped that such moment *mild behold us declaring war againsi France. Our own safety would require such s course of oroceeding. He wis not dismayed by the softy benches, because he trusted those who were absent were aimed in a just compliment to the representatives of the Spanish people. First remation agreed to, Lord PALMERSTON that. moved for 1,800,0001. for land forces. Mr. HUME wished regiments of 800 strong at least to he kept op ; the imaintentince of o skeleton" regiments, in the event of • war, was an unnecessary expeDee. The recruiting department eat very extravagant. There were cations other objections, which be would urge in a more particular meatier on the bringing up of the Report of these estimates. The grant, sod several other grunts, were r greed to.—Re putt on Monday. The remain/1g orders sad busioess having been disposed uf, the Hone adjeurued to Maeda,. - SPRING AND NEATB.—A itiveting of the parties and their friends took place on M lay !ugh'. hot mutton; was done.—Spring. in perlflll, was ready lit slake filly sovereigns to tight in May, from two to fire hundred. claiming a rightful forfeit of twenty-6e sovereigns. du . to hum, and upon which much was aid.--Neate, when first matched against Si • i t. hroke his arm in wanting.' and the bOl. deposit became a fOrleil as Spring; but the Brian)lonian) brought it in a wrangle. and Spring was lucky in himself to get 251. of the money. lit the se cond, and very recent match, Spring's barker (nob lied 1501 which was not immediately Unit 0, Inn it has since been paid so Neate. n tin all itralal/filltg situ the promise of Tom Belcher, that Si tt Rlir.riltl re. ceive the 251. juitly due to tniu upon Ncate'li forieit. - " 0 11.1 1 . 1 7.r. ■