The National Register. — London, England, 1822-07-21 00:00:00

Art C' 40 , (Imperial Parlmantant continued ft OMpale i37.) House did not think proper to interfere further iu this business. Sir K. WILSON said Ise *Amid to the reaolutiesi to a err ta.o extent. The house, howet er, ought to moteet its members, fur all members were nut ready to perioriu the pui is Gladi ators—to light their vs:ty imo at.d wit of the sanctuary of jastice. Sir It. ELM:; N amented th..t Mr. hiiye hoi introduced • quotation from lit: Beacon, arfecuim; Mr. Stevenaon, which lie now contradicted in the must ut.quatitieil niumitr. - - - Mr. BROUGHAM was as anxious as any man could be to terminate tiiis business as speedily as possiale, if (but could be dote isith justice to their privileges. Ho did not view the breach as a teeltaicid bisect of pelt liege, as some w ere disposed to think or it. It was no sled' thing. He was reluctant to speak on the sitbjeet, hut setting aside all equeatuillitess, as fsr as r..gartied that toms:, it was impossit•le not to say that mis conduct bad breo coimni led. The enquiry (promoted by Mr. Abereromby) had as yet only just commenced ; but what had Mr. Hope, who was on his trial, done I—lt was a gross mistake to SA, that a were technical breaeli of privilege had been com mitted, for Mr. Hope bud mitten/ilea to insinuate motives. lii that house they could not allow unfair anti malignant motives to be imputed; and yet Mr. Hope accused Mr. Altercrouthy of doing that uufairness, of which lie at the Cline tittle was conaaiuus. That would not be endured in that house ; the Speaker would hive instantly called Cie offender to order. And was a person out of door.. to be permitted, with ituptotity, to charge a mem ber with conscious unfateness ? Mr. Hope had left the most important part unes.pluim d ; he had not denied that his ulterior views were to provule '.Jr. Abercromby to ► breach of the p. BCC. Lfad BINNING said, he bail hoped that they were nearer the end of this wuplt•ai'sal business than now appeared to be the ease. Mr. A BERCROM BY expressed himself satisfied with Mr. Dope's still,inents and explanations. At the suite time he was tthaware of the facts which lie bad asserted about Mr. ►lope's eignature. If he had known the mode of the Scotch bar as to the signatures, he would not have made the remelt ks. Loud A. HAMILTON wade attune few observations. After some further remarks the question was put, and the resolution of Mr. Couitenay having been adopted, Mr. Hope was called in. The SPEAKER Wormed Mr, Hope that the bonne, in con sideration of the particular circumstances of the case, and the explatiatiou he had given, the house had determined to procced no farther, but bad ordered him to be discharged. Mr. Hope bowed and retired front the bor. On the motion of Mr. CuCRTENAY, Mr. Menzies was then called to the bar. The See vv. ea stated to him the former proceedings of the brume, as regarded the statement in The COurief newspapet, and pat it to Mr. Menzies to acktiow ledge or disclaim that pub lication. Mr. Menzies acknowledged the publication to be his, but at the sante time assured the house lie had tint the most dimwit in tention of chewing any disrespect to the house, or infringing their privileges. His address to Mr. Abercromhy, and that gentleman's answer to it w ere before the public. Ile had never intended to comment on Mr. Abercroinloy's speech, but merely cu the report of it in the newspapers.—Mr. Abererotaby answer had been perfectly satisfactory to him, and his saline. vent remarks were directed to the editor of the ('varier, and not to the lion. ntewbor for Heidi. Mr. Menzies was then ordered to withdraw. Mr. COURTENAY then putt it to the house to say, whether Mr. Menzies' apology or explanation was satisfactory. Mr. MICOLGIIAM and several ether other members expressed themselves satisfied with the explanation, loud The SPEAKLIt. upon the house adopting a resolution to that eff,et, directed that Mr. Menzies should be discharged. Ile was discharged accordingly. Colonel DAVIES rose to put a question to the noble marquis opposite. A Turkish frigate was cow providing itself with arms and stores in the river. It was a frigate of 5S gnns.— It was now receiving guns. warlike stores, and above all a British crew. Ile bad been on board of this fri.,ate a few days ago, and had been informed that there were IS or 15 English officers, 250 English sailors, and 34 Turks. Ile asked whether it was the intention of Alinistera to allow t h is gross violation of 1 heir own law against foreign enlistment? The Marquis of LONDONDERRY could nssure the gallent officer that the object of goierninent was to maintain perfect ncutrelity. The frigate in eptestion bad come to this country from tie Paella of Egypt with such remains of untiqnity as were valued in this country before the b:eakiir.; out of the war between the Turks and the Creeks. She had but come as a ship of war, but bringing antiquities and a cargo of linseed. The Paella of Egypt had made a request, as he hail a title o make, that two frigates might be purchased for him in this coututry. The request bad been refused, and expressly because it would be as infraction of our neutrality. Then the vessel now in the river was to be refitted. How far that vessel having come to this country, not as an armed vessel, hot with a corn nuereirl cargo, could be connected with the laws of neutrality, was a dilferent question. She was to be retnrned by us, not as an armed slip. The question next was as to the crew, there beiog not crew enough of Turks to navigate her. Mr. Brydges, the agent for the frigate, applied for permission to employ Engl:sh sailors. No objection was made to employing English sailors to navigate her to Malta, the Pilch* taking charge of her (rum that place, but the disposition was to man her with a foreign crew. The house would then understand, first, that the Coreronsent had positively refused purchasing two frigates —in the next place, that the ship was disarmed ; and farther, that military stores and guns bad been refused. Col. DAVIS begged to say, that he bad been told by the second in command, that 259 sailors, with their ollicera, were to be engaged ; that warlike stores were to be obtained, and that she was fitting out against the Greeks. This was no breach of confidence on his (Colonel Davis's) part, fur there had been a large party on board, and the second in command bad rather made a boast of it. The Marquis of LONDONDERRY said lie haul made in quiry at thc foreign sod Colonial Offices, and had learnt what he had now stated. If the agent was doing nny thing incon sistent with neutrality, the government were not aware of it. Sir I. MACINTUSII regretted that the hour was so late when he had to ask a question of the noble lord. lie wished to know whether ,any communication whatever in any respect relative to the recognition of the South American states had been made to Spain ? Toe Marquis of LONDONDERRY said, there were ques tions pending between this country and Spain ; whether they might lead to one result or another en the subject alluded to, Le could not now say. When the discussion should come on, be might be able to explain farther. The borne having resolved into a Committee of Supply, the (~:lowing sums were moved and granted . For the Charter School. in Irelsod 17,000 L Vas Iluapital 30,0001. Mit y THE NATIONAL REGISTER THURSDAY, JULY 18. The Association for discountenauciug vice, and for the pae. litigation of Christian kiionledge in Ireland To the the society fur proinutiey, the education of die poor in Ireland 10.000/. In aid of the schools supported by voluntary contributions in Ireland I,othil. To the 1111,eruian Society, for the education of soldiers' children 7,8001. Iliheriiian Marine Society 1. 0 9 01 . For the support of the Roman Catholic seminary at May nooth, 8,928/. For the Cork Institution, 2,0001. For the Royal Dublin Society, 7„0001. In aid of the harming Society in Iceland, 2,5001. For the Royal Irish Academy, 3ittll. To the Cununissiouers fur *unpin iug into bequeath and done ' lions, 500/. To make good the deficiency of the vote (for 1821) for printing and stationery for Dahlin castle, Still. 'the other orders of the stay were then disposed of, and the house adjourned at two o'clock. A member presented a petition from Mr. Gourley, an inlet bitant of Upper Canada, praying tar an enquiry into the movie of ailininisveriug justice in that province. Mr. LUSH aftp)N presented the second report of the com missioners appointed to enquire hit° the mode of collecting the revenue.—Ordered to be printed. Mr. I'. MOORE 'presented a petition from the analtsters of Coventry, against the Beer Retail Bill. Petition. against Beer Trade Bill were presented from Huntingdonsnire ng, Rochester, Ipswich, Newcastle, New Sarum, red to be printed. Mr. F. P R presented a petition from au individual named Pegg, bad, about four years ago, built a house in Devolisloth street, Bethnal Green, intending it for a public house, but who had applied iu vain for a licence to such house. He therefore prayed lor an amendment of the licensing system. !Nu's Patsoe.—Mr. G. BENNET presented a petition from Col. Boyle:, now a prisoner in the King's Bench prison, complaining of the conduct of the jailor, &e.—Early in the next session he should bring in a bill to regulate the fees, Sc. of this prison. Read and ordered to be printed. Mr. HOME moved fur accounts of further advances of Ex chequer Bills, under the Sltli of the late King, for public works, &c. being a continuation of a former account. —for account of Bib:es, Sc. printed, being a continuation of ao account ordered in ISlS.—Ordered. Mr. ABERCROM BY gave notice, that on Tuesday next he should move for copies of correspondence with the Lord Advo eate ; and of Mr. Hope's upiwou in Borthwiek's case, dated March 18. Mr. LLSHINGTON moved the third reading of the Receiv ers' General Bill. Mr. Alderman WJOD said, this bill had hitherto been pro moted at late hours in the evening. Many receivers were to be maiutained at an expence of upwards of 40001. while several persons, a Mr. Barber in particular, bad undertaken to collect taxes to the amount of two millions for 1,6001. Ile must divide the house if the bill were pressed now. Mr. LUSHINGTON remarked that there was nntliing in this bill to p the Governweut limn listening to the proposal of such Mr. HUME said, if the government really desired to promote economy, they might get Mr. Everett and others to act as re ceiver for less than 2,00u1. a year, the present cost being II or 12.0001. a year. Mr. MONCK trusted that the government would attend to this matter. Mr. Alderman WOOD observed, that if the government would underiuke to have the taxes collected for 2,0001. a year should have no reason to complain. Read a third time and passed. Mr. BROUGHAM moved the second reading of the retail of Beer Bill. The hon. member spoke of the deteriorated quality of the beer in the course of the last thirty years, which was mainly owing to the tax. It was not the quassia—it was not the nesious ingredient—but it was the exciseniau's baud that affected the quality, and diminished the quality consumed. The duty had done a good deal of mischief. They bad di minished some of the duty ; the duty was now about 20s. whir ..e it was 325. before; but they bad not yet got back to the lUe. Bat though the tax was in his way on one side—he found the brewers arrayed on the other hand. The retailing of 'troop; beer was at preeelit particululy limited by licence. As to the small" beer, which, God knew, had a very propername (a laugh), there was no licence required for its sale ; but he must have a wore powerful weapon than small beer before lie could successfully attack the many-headed monster, the gin-shop.-- The laws professed to put down tippling, or to attempt it, amid yet a man could not get a pot of porter without going to a pub lic•housc. As to the brewers' interest, of which so much had beeu said, lie denied that the law secured to them the mono poly for which they now contended.—(hear!) A complete monopoly, however, had grown up ; it had gone to such ex tent that in one instance, out of 49 houses in one district, there was only one of them that did nut belong to brewers. — The reason was that there were limitations that were injurious to the public interests. The brewers having thus got the com mend of the tuned by which means they supplied the mouth, the quality was gradually reduced—portions of the malt with drew, and portions of the hops followed; so that the beverage was no longer west Buis:ice could P' eat, drink, and sleeu upon."—He concluded with moving the second reading. Mr. F. BUXTON said, that this was a most injurious bill.— The bun. mover himself did not know what must he the effect of this bill. It would ruin 50,000 persons, who had now 30,000,0001. engaged in the trade. He was aware that the brewers had beeu objects of suspicion, whether truly or not, he would not stop to inquire ; but in their alleged criminality, the publicans had no participation, The brewers might mix the beer improperly—but the publicans had no participation in such proceedings ; the brewers might have enormous profits— but the publicans did not come in for a share of them—the brewers might have an overwhelming capital; but what benefit did the publicans derive from it t All he desired was, that the publicans should not be punished for the sins of the brewers. — As to the publicans giving way to the public wants and corn• forts, he denied that they could warrant this confiscation with out securing individuals from losses. But not only would they be injured —the revenue and the morals of the county would greatly sutler. But be the erguments in favonr of the bill stroug as they might, it any strung arguments could be adduced in its support, he thought at all events such bill ought not to le urged at so udvaliced a period of the session. Mr. HUSKISSON said, lie was by no means convinced of the wholly detrimental character of the bill by what had been said by the hon. member who last addressed the bogie ; he (Mr. II.) however, thought so important a bill ought not to be postponed till the beat Session. Aldwittuo WOOD spoke sgaiust lb. Bill, coateuding that it would be very hurtful to the interests of an immense body of very meritorious persons. After come remarks from Mr. :Renck, Mi. BROUGHAM said he should acquiesce in the generally exptessed wish, eed withdraw the bill for the present Session. He, however, ebould biieg it forward nest Session, for lie wan rather strengthened than otherwise le favour of the principle of Ilse hal, from all he had heard. In the menu tine he wished the Treesury to propose some duty between the existing 2s. and Is. duties, by meatta of which beer might be made between stroug and smell beer. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER replied, that there had been some such plan under consideration for some time, and he believed that something would he determined on that would lead to the advantale, and afford the relief, con templated by the hon. and learned member. The bill was then withdrawn. _ _ _ _ Mr. 11 I LMOT moved du. Order of the Day for the House - •• ..••• going into a Committee on the Canadian Judicature Bill, and in doing so, entered et length into a defence of the measure. Sir J. M ACK IN TOS 11 opposed the hill. It was most unjust in its provi.;iona, since it went to deprive the Cauadas of their present represeuteti re 5 . % stein, and to give them an entire new Constitution, and that without ever consulting the parties im mediately concerned. Mr. ELLICE defended the bill. Mr. CALCRAF'F opposed it. Sir J. MACKINTOSII proposed, that it should be an in struction to theComniittee to divide. the bill into two, sad avoid the objectionable part. Mr. BR IGI a opposed the bill altogether. Mr. DENMAN said. that though he was not acquainted with the merits of the ha as was the situation of most members, be would still oppose it, because lie thought the present period of the session too late for its introduction. The Marquis of LONDONDERRY lamented that the con sideration of this measure had not been brought before the notice of Parliament at an earlier period of the session ; but contended, that it ought not to prevent them from adopting a measure which would confer upon the Canada' great advantage. Ile therefore trusted that the bon. gentlemen would aithdrsw their opposiLon, and allow the bill to go into a committee, notwith standing the lateness of the session. Mr. CALCHAFT explained. After a few words from Mr. BERNAL and Mr. T. Wits" who opposed the measure, Mr. W ILMOT replied. The house then divided npon the question, when the numbers were—For going into a committee upon the bill, 4S—agaiust it 14—majority for the col iiiii ittee, 34. The bill was then carried through the committee, and the re port was ordered to be received on Tuesday nest. The Irish Constables' Bill was read a third time and passed. The LORD ADVOCATE moved the third reading of the Scotch Burghs' Bill. Mr. lICME opposed the motion. The gallery was cleared for a di% ision, when it appeared that only 21 members were present ; the house consequently ad journed at two o'clock. FRIDAY, 3I'LY 19. Mr. PRENDERGAST presented a petition from Galway, complaining of the Salt Duties. The House at its rising was ordered to adjourn to Monday. Mr. LUSHINGTON presented the Greenland Fisheries Acts Amendment Bill. Read a first time. The Commercial Credit (Ireland) Bill went through a Com mittee. Report on Monday. The Report of the Committee on the Irish Stamp Acts (68 George 111. c. 56) was presented ; agreed to, and a Bill ordered acvordingly. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER moved the third reading of the Royal Burghs 8.11. HOME.-1 did not expect this Bill to come on so soca —I have not my amendments ; I must run and get my amend ments.—(Some laughter, especially as the lion. member with considrrahle agility immediately left his seat in pursuit of his amend inents.) The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said, lie would not press such an ord-r now. especially as it would he to the inconvenience of the hon. member. He utoed the third re..d ing of the Salt Duties Repeal. Mr. GRANT spoke of the hardships that would be inflicted on the manufacturers of kelp in the Highlands by this Mr. Calcraft and the Chancellor of the Esclicqrer admitted that some injuries would result to particular interest* from all repeals of taxes. Read a third time aunt passed. The House went into a Committee on the late Queen's Ser vants' Pensions Bill. Mr. HUME again pressed on the Chancellor of the Exche quer the necessity of paying such allowances from the Pensive List. CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER objected to the proposition, on the ground that a considerable time might elapse before a lucency occurred. Read a third time, passed, and ordered to the Lords. Swum 81l RGll3.—On the third reading of the Royal Burghs Accounts Bill, Mr. HUME, in the absence of the member for Tavistock. moved 1111 amended clause, tied the Accounts' Appesls be re ferred to the Court of Session instead of the Court of Exche quer, as was proposed by the bill. It was negatived without a division. The Bill was thee passed. The Burghs' Magistrates' Residence Bill basing been read a third time, Lord BINNING proposed a new clause by way of rider, as to the residence of the members of the Council, requiring that they should reside within three miles. Mr. HUME thought the noble lord's clause did not go fir enough, mud submitted one which he had prepared, and which proposed that all the members of the Town Council should be resident within the limit before stated. Mr. K. Douglas and the Lord Advocate supported Lord Bin ning's clause. The gallery was then cleared. We understood that Lord Binning's clause wits agreed to without a div ision. Mr. Home's clause, however, was lost Upoo a division, the tonnbets being —Fur the clause, 20—Against it, 26--Majority 0. Lord BINNING presented a petition trout Journeymen Printers. complaining of Laving been discharged in consequence of the evidence they had adduced before a Conanittee of the House on the subject of stationary, public printing, o.c. connected with the House and the government departments. Mr. HUME said this was a very serious case. If this were to be endured, if individuals were to be discharged for gis ing evidence before the Committee, what hope was there that pe culations could be exposed t The witnesses had been threat ened to be discharged, if they attended to give evidence.- - Read, and ordered to be printed. CONSULS AT BRAZILS, SCC.— Lord LONDONDERRY ex pressed his astonishment at sit address moved by an h uts. mem that - ber. (Mr. Hume) the ptecediug ei ening. sod carried, and