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i' - Witness, in continuation. stated. that there was an English sailor on board the polacca, who went 'as far as Athens; and then left them ; witness had beat ordered to attend the Admi ralty. where he was asked when he had seen the sailor, James Adams last, and if he knew wnere he was. Examined by the Lords. Under the circumstances in which you believe Bergami to have slept under the tent, did it convey to your mind any suspicion of an improper connexion between Bergaini and her Royal Highness ?...It did not. Did you not think it improper Berfouni's sleeping in the same tent with her Royal Highness ?...No; front all the circum• stances I did not think it improper. The hatches were not closed, all the doors were open below, there was no mystery in it. I would ask Lieutenant Hownam, as a married man, if he would have no objection to Mrs. Hownam sleeping in the same tent with a male servant and the light put out ?...I think that every person judges of his own wife without comparisons. I can only answer the question by saying that I make no such comps aitons. Did you feel no impropriety in a male and a femal so sleeping? —Considering all the circumstances I certainly dill not, I have seen her Royal Highness in such peculiar situations. What do you mean by these peculiar situations have seen her Royal Highness, at Ephesus, sleep in a shed in which you would not putcows in this country, among horses, Turks, mules, &c. Adjourned at Four o'clock. vittitsnaY. OCT. 12. NINTH DAY OF THE DEFENCE. The House met this inoening, at ten o'clock. Prayers were read by the Bishop of Bristol. On the roll being calltil over, the absentees were more numerous than on most preceding days. MODE or CROS9 TICAMINATION.—The Earl of ISLES • SINGION rose, and observed, dint in a Morning Paper which he held in his hand (we believe the Times). it was remarked that, in consequence of the hurried rapidity with which questions were put to a witness, the man was driven into such confusion, that lie did not know what he said. His Lordship thought this objection would be obviated if each question, as put to the witness, was repeated by the short hand writer before being answered. The LORD CHANCELLOR said, that after a questionlwes put, and the answer given, the short hand writer should repeat them to the house, but more certainly could not be allowed. Lieut. llonntain was now recalled, and appeared at the liar. Examined by their Lordships. M By Lord KING*TON.—What ships have you served in ?... a. Be so good as to name them, and the Captains ?...The Afrierrine. Captain Allenby; the Lively, Captain Hammond ; the Centaur, Sir Samuel Hood; the Ilarfieur, Captain M'Leod; the Lavinia, Lord Wm. Stewart; the Resistance, Capt. Adaws and Captain Rozenbagen ; the Andromeda, Captain Pellew ; and the Undaunted, Captain Usher. How many years have you been in the service ?...Since the early part of ISM, By Lord DAB NLEY....What was your opinion of Bergsmi as a servant of her Royal Highness ?...I must confess that he was exceedingly attentive, and most ready in his duty. Was he a man who was more likely than any other to be selected, on account of his fidelity and attachment, to guard her Royal Highness ?-1 should think that the way in which I have seen him treated by the Marquis Giuzilieglui, and other persons, was likely to operate to that effect. You were asked yesterday a question respecting Mrs. llownam, supposing her to be in a situation e'milar to that of the Princess, sleeping with a male person, under the same tent.which question you declined to answer. l'ray how old is Mrs. Hownam ? (Expressions of disapprobation from many of their Loulships.)— She is about thirty years of ago. Arc yOu living together as man and wife ought to do a... (Strong tokens of disapprobation.) The LORD CHANCELLOR said, that the question was quite inadmissible. It was ordered to be struck out. Lord DARNLEY....Are you acquainted with Lieutenant Flynn ?...I am. Do you believe him to be a man of honour and veracity ? The LORD CHANCELLOR....The only question which can be put to this effect must be—ls Lieutenant Flynn a man to ha believed on his oath? Lord DARNLEY....Do you think Lieutenant Flynn is a man who is o be believed on his oath ?...I believe Lieutenant Flynn to be a perfect man of honour. Earl GROSVENOR....Have you any reason to believe, from the violent attack which was made on her Royal Highness's house at Genoa; or from any other circumstances, that her Royal Highness had any particular apprehension as to her personal safsty ?...She had, because she mentioned it to me. By Lord RADNOIL—You have said that at Carleuhe her Royal nighties, dined with the Grand Duke, except on one occasion when she dined with the Margravine; did you dine with her Royal highness on these oecto•tons ?...I You have said that her Royal Highness also supped with the Duke and Margravine. Did you sup along with het ?...1 did. At what hour did they dine?...l cannot precisely recollect; it was late in the evening, I think. Have you any recollection of the lateness of the hours of the evening parties at that Court ?...1 think they broke up about twelve o'clock. Py lord DARLINGTON....During the long examinatioti which you have undergone, you have often used the words, that her I lighness slept under the tent. Do you mean diet she slept, in the ordinary acceptation of that word, with her clothes. 0fr5...1 do not believe that her Royal Highness ever took her chitties off while on hoard the polices, except to change her d.css dining the day. This is my firm belief. 1 mean in the voyage back from Jatth. On the first voyage she slept in her eebi a. You have not positively said that Bergami also slept under the tent ?...I never saw 111111 there. But you have stated your belief that he did sleep there. Am I to understand that he, in like manner, slept on ths oilier bed with his clothes on ?...l do not believe lierganii ever tuoh his clothes oft: I never este any bed doilies on that bed. Do you know where her Royal Highness changed her clothes on her return from Jaffa ?...Below, in her own cabin. ,oed Ell .1 .E, N BO It OUG 11.... 11 ave you any personal kn ow. ledge that the door: and hatchways were always open ?...1 have always sect tile door of the dining room open, and as I stated before, I have gone up the ladder at a late hour. Tie hatchway was then open, and 1 do not know that it ever was Clout. Could the hatchway be closed without removing the ladder ?... It could not be eines' without opening the tent. Where was the cover of the hatchway itsclt ?...The hatchway was in the deck, and the batches on the deck. Lord CI.IFDIS N.—You said, that after the voyage from Jaffa to Syracuse. her Royal Ilighneee was excesseively fatigued Did she not complain of herlei,s being swelled, from nut being in bed ? remember that fact. The Earl of LAUDERDALE.—Did she tell you her legs were swelled i—She did, in talking of the tittigue slur underwent by being on deck, I think It was for forty days or more. Are you a Knight of the Order of St. Caroline ?—I Have you any diploma as such'-1 hive, I can pad= it. I ask you, teco!lecting that you bad dined at her Royal High. ness's table when lier s anti was waiting there, *bete his brother was waiting; end recollecting that they had lineman's dined with her Royal Higlmeas, and that Bereand hail slept in the tent on bound the ship where her Royal Highness was, do you ser.evere in stating upon your oath, that you saw her Royal Highness do nothing unbecoming her station ?—I speak fin myself: 1 hair no arratt r t aint mph' y ..,rot rhr ikraotis I leave twilled. 1 Lmeurn proms swine el the table of 1111' Ropul THE NATIONAL REGISTER Highness when their fathers were in tootling, and knowing her Illghnus•s manner of treating all around her, I do say that there was not any thing in her conduct to authorise such ass ah inton, This answer excited great sensation in the House. Did you ever wait at table yourself ?...No. Did your mother ever wait at table ?—No. Mr. Isnot: tilLssi—•• What, ask a Lieutenant in the Navy if he ever was a servant." Have you any relations who have ever Belled at her Royal Highness's table ? believe not. I desire to know whether you consider a common courier and a Lieutenant in his Majesty's Navy equally entitled to sit down at table with her Royal Highness ?...I consider that any person sit. ting down at her Royal Highness's table, by her Royal High. ness's command, would authorise a person of much higher rank than a Lieutenant in the Navy to sit down at table with him. No other of their Lordships having any questions to put to the witness, The ATTORNEY •GENE UAL requested to be permitted to ask witness if he had a Genoese servant of the name of Francisco, at Ituccanelli ?...I bad a servant of that name, but not when at The witness was ordered to withdraw. Granville Shaw., EsT was called in, and being sworn, was ex. amused by Mr. DEN MAN. nave you resided in India ?...Yes, I have. Did you ever see the Moorish dance called, Dimma Dims?" ...l have seen the Moorish dance, but I do not know that it, was distintmished by that name. Was it accompanied by any expressions ?...Yes by various un. mooting words which I do not reeolket. Was there any thing inil..emt in that dance, or unfit fiu a woman to witness ?...Certainly not. Where arc the hands placed during the dance ?...In varicus positions, genemlly abort the head. Was it accompanied by gestures ?...Yes, throughout. And unmeaning sounds, which formed a tune to dance to ?... Yes, they sing to kind of tune. Where have seen this dance ?...In Calcutta. In what place ?..At the Government house. Who were present ?...The Governor General the Marquis of I fast ings. Was the Marchioness of Hastings there ?...Yes, she was. And other ladies 9... Yes there were other ladies. Was the Bishop of Calcutta present ?...He was. And the Bishop's lady 9...Ye5, she was present. I need not therefore ask if there WAS any indecency ?...Certainly there was no indecency. And that is the common Moorish dance ?...lt is. Cross-examined by Mr. PARKE. There are many other Moorish dances in India 9...Ye5, but they arc all of the same character, only some arc quicker and some slower. Their Lordship did not ask the witness any questions, and he WWI ordered to withdraw. . Swaim) Guviare was sworn and examined by Dr. LUSIIINGTON. I have been in the service oldie Priocess of Wales as factor. It was my duty to keep watch over the working people; to mark down their accounts, and pay them their wages on the Saturday ; to take care of the wine for tile family ; and to do all other services required by the master of the house. I performed these duties in the Villa d'Este, in the gardens of the Villa d'Este, the vine yards, &c. I know Luigi Galdini. lie is a mason by trade.—l employed him at two 11iilan livres wages per day. Ido not know I'aolo Rugazzoni. 1 remember the Grotto at the Villa d'Este. I remember there being two sta'utes there of Adam and Eve.-- They were placed in the grotto of the first rotundas. 'filere was not die least alteration made in any of the rooms where the sta. tutes stood. There was nothing done to the cornices of the rotunda or octagonal roma in which they stood. There was a cor nice made in one of the other octagonal rooms. Ask him to describe the rooms in which the statutes were F Witness asked for some parer, and made a drawing of the grotto, and the rooms where t.ie statutes were placed, and the won, where the cornice was repaired, with the passage. Could a poison working at the corner of the room possibly see the statutes in the other, in which they were placed 4—They could not. Why I...because the passages of tho ootninunication is crooked which prevents tne sight. Did the statutes of Adam and Eve ever stand in any other room in that grotto, except the one ht: has described I... They did not. Was there auy other room in the grotto except (the one he has mentioneit Y—lt was made into two rooms, in a square room, the one ! have marked. Could you see statutes in any of these rooms, where the cor. nice was made _ _ When were the statutes removed from that grotto ?...Before the return of her Royal Highness. Return front where Y... Her return from her journey in Turkey. To what room where these statutes removed ?...Into one of the Mosaic rooms which were built in that palace. Were these rooms finished before the return of the Princess They were. The workmen were also removed; they had all left these rooms. The Fe:Adding was also removed front the Mosaic rooms about eight or ten days before the Princess's return. The rooms were then fit for the reception of her Royal Highness. I ermie direct from Villa d'Este. 1 saw several persons of Govern went taking designs and plans, but this I don't know. I saw an architect, named - Ralli, taking plans for her Royal Highness. I do not know the exact epoch. It is about three or tour months from this time. The architect Ralli lives at Milan. came with witnesses here. Fourteen witnesses—(a buz in the house.) I did not conduct the witnesses here. When did you set out to come here ?...On the lOth of Septem• bur the last time. Were you examined before you came here was. Where /...At Milan. By whom ?...Tie• Advocate Covatzi,and an Englishman named Henry. I told what was true to the Advocate. I lave you received any thing for yourself ?...I have not. Are you to reeevive any thing ?...l ask for nothing. if her Majc, , ty will snake me a present I will receive it, but I will ask for nothing. I came here to tell the truth. rlxamined by the l'cers. Earl GROSS' ENOII.-1 request to lurk at the sketch of the rooms drawn by the witness. It was handed to his Lordship. Eva 'Lined by Mr. Piake. When was this plan inatle?--About half an hour before I cumeto this House, 1s it a corrL plan of the grotto?...ft is. Could a person so placixl behind the piLster sec the statues of Adam and Eve believe not, Lee:Lase the pilaster is out of the room, and en the side of the room where thi7 ►tatucsare. GUISIPPE GARMAN]. sworn. Examitml by A:r. 11'iliia .u. From what country do you come ?...From What lu.inrs ur: you ?...A nutsou. WiLS you ever employed by the Princess of Wales at the Villa d'Fitc ? .1 was. Did you know a per-on named Itep:zzoni '...1 did. h he 3 muster workman. or a ethrinon •,,or:snian is a day workman. lie Lot him under hi, erif ;0) n:Lnt at Villa d'Este. lie remembered there belly, st;cl;;.... in the grotto, there was a scatfuliling up in a p..rt o: that was the only scaffolding; from this seaflithling it was not possible, by any means, to see them, as the passage was winding. He knew a person of the name of Hasteili, his other name was Jaseppi, saw him blame he telt Afilait Do you recollect any thing being said by . fiastalli about vii. nesse, being wanted to appear against the Pi-Incas. The Solicitor-General objtntel to the question, unless Baste evidence pointed to it. Mr. Brougham.— We have two grounds for examination. The first is the agency of Haste second, Rutslli's own ad. mission. The Solicitor General said, Has telli had denied giving money to any witnesses, but if his Learned Friend could prove he did give money to a witness, it would be open to him to do so. The Lord Chancellor... .We will go on with the examination to.morrow.—The House adjourned. TENTH DAY OF THE DEFENCE. FRIO aT, OCT. IS. At twenty minutes past ten Counsel were called to the Bar. Lnrd LAUDERDALE expressed a wish Clint Lieutensuot Hownam should produce his diploma as it Knight of St. Caroline, fiaisippe Garolini, the witness ■nder examination at Ik. adjournment of the House last evening, was again called to the Bar, sad his examination proceeded. You were employed as a builder at Villa d'Este I—yes ; as master. Were you paid as you went along, 'or was there a bill run up 7—Refire her Royal Highness set out fur her lung j. a ney I was paid regularly; after her departure we entered iota a contract fur 74,000 livres, under the directing of Rat°, the stchttect ; after this there wit: more work, aid the anicotot was I.la,:iuu livres. Daly nit eser see ltistelii at the time that sum was due to 3 Du ie.-- lc es. Do sou remember his tneutioninit tilat bill I—lie iwilicd one if that wa.: ut) hill, and [ said, after deducting what 1- bad received, there remained 43,500 lime, Was nny thing said about the manner in which this should be paid ?—Yes. What was it 1— The So Limon-Gin FRA r, objected to this conversation. Tha LORD CHANCELLOIL—Yois may, I think, ask the witness, does he know of Rastelli having offered himself the witness, or any other individual money. Mr. William .— May I not ask, did be offer money, or money's worth. Do you recollect at any time Rastelli offering yoo any money ?—He said, if my account was not liquidated, to give it to him, and he would contrive to see me paid. IVlsat were you to do for tbat?-114. told me to give my account to him, for there were Englishmen at Milan, and he would see sue paid. What did he say, at the same time, you were to do l— ife told me, if I had any thing to say against her Royal Highness, as I had been a long time in her service, to tell it to him, and he would endeavour to see me paid. At that semi time, or et any oilier, had you any con versation with Rastelli as to what you were to du as a witness? The Solicitor General objected to this question. Lord ERSKINE was decidedly of opinion that the House must adopt one of two causes; either they mast allow the present examination to go on, or they mast call Rastilli back again, that he might be confronted with the present a itness. In ordinary cases, the trial was finished in a day, and sorry was he tact he had lived to see trials extended to two or three days; it was a great evil, and ought never to have been suffered. It was a practice infringing on the rides of justice, and the present was one of the evils arising out of this course. Lord LIVERPOOL did not rise to give any opinion on this point of turn, but only to say, he had not the smallest objection that at the proper time the conduct adopted 111 those Gentlemen who had formed what was called the Milan Commission, should undergo the fullest investiga tion. Lord CARNARNON—" My Lards, It is impossible to proceed one step further in this odious, profligate, and dela& able measure, a ithout having before us every particular relative to this agency. Until the transactions are unravelled, the characters of all those who have had any concernin the Commissions or were at its disposal, and under its authority are practically tainted.—A discredit is fixed upon them, which is of itself calculated to destroy the case which has been brought forward in support of the bill.—(Hear, bear.) I cannot bring myself to think that year Lordships would, after the establiAiment of that which has been just stated at the Bar, think of entertaining, for one hour longer, a Hill which has been the greatest curse thug Las ;ever fallen upon this country !—(Loud Lind repeatiM cries of hear, hear, bear !) if l am mistaken in supposing so, I can say that *se are doing neither more nor less thansigning the death war rant of the British Cllll/411Uli ~,, !( Loud cries of hear!) — and maitre li ii ing all the securities of national justice, stabi lity, a n d honour l--(Hear, Lear 1)—I minim consider this question us a matter of dry law. It appears from the evi dence, which, on one vide, is concluded, that !Mee years have elap,ed since any of the arts to wlueli that evidence refers a ere ciiminitted—a period of such length, that even if treason had been the crime alleged, it could not have been tiled. It is not a case which line. fered wall the interest, of every one, not even, as far as I can see, with the private interests of thuse who have entangled themselves in tem pru ceeding and wished toemangle in it every interest in telecoms. try. 'Choy have Nought odium on the Guver 1111 l esti; they have eteaeil a freeing, which never can be excited without daii.ter—ilut probably immediate danger, but danger that can &revue be small, ill 4 country a here popular teciiiig must be nepillar 'mil prop of all its inatitutioust— (Hear, hear.) They have excited a feeling is hid* is supping the foundations of all that is valuable and dear to us. Although l may base hitherto abstained from calling on your Lordships to pia an cod to this pi oceeding, under 411 111111/1C,S101) that there possibly belgrounds w Melt made the necewity tar it imperious, can no longer he withheld from doing SO, when, 1111 Ille I% hole face of the ease, as %Arena in es ideoce, their is nothing a h it ever to Warrant it, even as a 1111./1116 Of expediency.-- And what sut.;L• fur iuietierrnce Call be more paper than present I—titbit. charge the agents of the prwrerubon he sulnintili.tled,i* there one of yimir Lordships who will nut think that the gteati•st service you can do to the advocates tit the the patty interested in it—if such party exists, :hough wiwie I know. not ! %sill be to rid them of the tires ...we of the inillrltine a hi, Ii they have got round their Ile': he. std vs hitch threatens to drag down not only them, hot rimy thing on a Mel' the hopes of the emsntry are set i— hear, hear !)—ilan ever 1114011111 it may be in ordinary cases to interfere iii the midrt of a prose. ution, I conceive that every consideration of mate or form ought to give nay in a cast like the pre,eot, the moment you have evidence helot!, sou Or a ,saris. of subornation of pt- jury on the part sit the ! 1 think (lint your Lordship 4 We bound to re ceive ev..!cnee (Atha* subaqua' mu mid hbr ill,: cut s, bl nb, il, that you will not do ju 'tire it' sou do nut instantly torow nut one !"--(tii, 1.0 ,15e, i , 1.4%.1%;%14.%%,411il hold cheers from ail pasts of ths (to a st. , ~.