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to that clause in the bill which took away trial by jury, and de clared his intention to tnke the sense of the Lords upon it, when the bill was before the committee. If this bill was continued with that clause there was remedy for persons, whatever might be the injury inflicted under un abuse of power. Lord ELLEN DOHA/UGH stated, that lie should feel it his duty to endeavour to elf...et a change in the administration, in case something was not done for Ireland early next a , 2ssion. After Lord Litn.rick, Earl Darnley, Lord Itcdesdale, and other Lords hat spoken on the subject, the bill was lead the second time. The house then adjourned. HOUSE OF COMMONS. MONDAY, :rLy ii. Sir T. Tyrwhitt, the Usher of the Black Rod, summoned the Howie to attend in the House of Peers, to bear the Royal Assent givea by Commission to sundry public Bills, &c.—(See the Lords ) Petitions against Mr. lironglism's Retail Beer Trade Bill were presented from Cani.arluary, Deal, Dover, Sandwich. Oak ingham, Salford, Ashton-miner-line, Manchester, Hanuer sent's, and other places in Middlesex, Kent, Margate, Rums gate, Rochester, Dartford, Essex, Kingston upon4lianies and R.ply. Mr. BROUGHAM was not surprised at this opposition. It was got up by the Brewers, who were against all diminution of the monopoly. He had letters from some publicans, who wee.- tilt to he frightened, which proved this fact. lie kid examined all the reasons adduced against this Hill, all of which rose in succession in favour of this Bill a. and they would have the elect, with additional inducements, of promoting the Petitions read, and ordered to be printed. Mr. LENNARD presented a Petition from inhabitant Householders of Middlesex, complaining of the high fees, &c. of the. Middlesex County Court. He said, that early iu in the next Session, he should wove for a Committee of En quiry into this subject. It was too late in the Session to move fur such Committee now.—Petition ordered to be printed . Mr. BEN ET (of Wilts) presented • Petition from Wan. Baker, and two other pet sous, imprisoned at Great Yarmouth, trivial been seized out at sea by one of his Majesty's Revenue Cutters. They prayed a revision of the Revenue Laws, as they were in hostility to the laws of nations. The Petition was read. . Dr. LLSRINGTON was surprised that this subject was not noticed by Members opposite. This case was most ex traordinary. Within fifty nodes of the Dutch coast the search was enforced ; the vessel was tired into, and one man was killed. He was persuaded that the whole proceeding was contrary to law. Lord LONDONDERRY said there were other and more preferable modes of obtaining redress than that of applying to Parliament.—Petition ordered to be printed. SOUTH AMERICAN TRAUE.—Lord LONDONDERRY said be had instituted enquiry into the case of the Lurd Coiling wood, that had been seined by the Spanish Authorities when that vessel was on its way to one of the independent ports, on the ground that it had on hoard prohibited article,. lie had instituted all possible enquiry, and representations bad been made to the Spanish Court particularly, of the intention of the British Government to protect all their vessels similarly cir cum•tanced. _ . _ Sir J. MACINTOSH said this was very satisfactory infor mation. Nothing in the law of nations was more clear cer tainly, than that such power could not be justified where the alleged Sovereign's authority was not warranted by posses sion. Sir J. MACINTOSH presented a Petition from Ashton under-Line, praying the House to interfere to protect the Greeks. Mr. HUME took the opportunity of asking, whether there was any truth in Ma statement, that some Greeks who bad ap plied to the lonian Islands for prot,ction had been refused. Mr. WILMOT replied, that be bad heard nothing of such refusal to any limited number of Greeks ; but if tbey were to present themselves in large numbers, he did not know what Wight be the answer. Mr. HU fCIIINiiONI condemned the apathy of the House and the Coverunient on this subject. The mini , t ters had done all they i mild to resist the cause of liberty ; they had put it down every where ; and lie hoped that the tsbles would be co vered with petitions, to implore the Muse to make some efforts ,o secure the ancient honour of the country. Mr. WILBERFORCE said, it appeared to him disgraceful that the powers of Europe did not combine and make au ell'ort to renege the Greeks from their present calamities.--lllearo Tile Turks ought to be persuaded to quit Europe, and go into Asia. Lord LONDONDERRY did not imagine the the lion. member would persuade four or live millions of Turks to transport themselves from Europe. As to the cruelties, all mu►t deplore them ; but they were not all on one side. Ile was persuaded that the Greeks were guilty of as extensile cruelties as were the Turks. Sir R. WILSON said that the government at least could repeal the foreign enlistment act.—(Blear, hear! ) Lord A. lIAMILTON said, if the Turkish government were unable to enforce its own orders, be saw no chance of expira tion till the Greeks were extirpated. Ile trusted, however, that there would be impartiality at the lonian Islands ; —(!fear, bear! ) Sir R. WILSON asked, whether the Greek flag would be respected in South America. Lord LONDONDERRY said, every effort was made to pre serve neutrality at the lonian Islands ; but it was difficult to make many parties understand what neutrality meant. As to the Greek flag, it would he respected like that of 'I ui key. Mr. WESTERN presented a petition from inhabitants of Highgate, liorosey, Nc. against the Ilighp.ate Chapel Read, referred to the committee on the bill, and they were ordered to attend by counsel or themselves, if they so thi.ught Mr. HUMS presented a petition from Kenrington. &c. complaining of the county court.—Ordered to lie on the table' The report of the Irish Constables Bill was agreed to; and the hill ordered to be read a third time to-morrow. Mr. GOUI.BURN moved that the Irish lusuirection Bill be read a third time. Mr. HUTCHINSON opposed the Bill ; he was against its being made law without inquiry. He contended that these laws woutd not accomplish what was ilcsisrai. The system of go vernment was bad. Whoever were Ministers there wan no in quiry ; there was no effort to afford redress of great grievances- All lie asked for his country was, that before it had indicted. on it such an act as the Insurrection Act, enquiry should be instituted, and its necessity made apparent. After an extended desultory debate, on the order of the day for the honor going into a committee of supply, Mr. HUME said, be must again call the attention of the House and the noble Marquis to the enormous tax ley', d on iotir eournicrce by our Consuls at toreign pmts. Ha world THE NATIONAL ItLC isTER ticularly instance the case of Mr. Chamberlain, Consul General at Rio Janeiro, who, in the last six years, bad received 110 ltss a sum than 57,0001 ; this, with what the Vice-Consaul had received, amounted to upwards of 90,0001. raised on our trade in that quarter iu six years. Ile thought not a shilling of public money should be granted till this subject was investiga ted, and he would now niece, as au amendment, a resolutom, that the house considered the allowance to Consuls as a waste ; ful expenditure of public money. Lard LONVONHIitIItY said it was under consideration. His 3lajesty's t overument had determined in future to confine the Consuls income to 2,5001. a year, including lens and sa lary, and whatever more was paid as fees to b.: accounted for to government, and iu fact, such orders had already been sent out. After a few words from Mr. Baring, the motion of Mr.llume was negatived without a division. Lord BINNING then moved, that the petition for a grant of 10,0001. from the sum granted for building churches should he appropriated towards t:ie erection of a notional monument in Scotland. . . ..... Mr. flume, Sir R. Wilson, Mr. Bennet, and others, declared they would give the most decided opposition to this grant. After a few 'surds from Mr. T. Wilson awl Mr. Maherley, alio opposed the grant, and also from the Chancellor of the Exchequer, who was perfee ty inhudililo hi the gallery, Lind Binning consented to withdraw his motion. The Speaker then left the chair, and the house resolved itself into a committee of supply. Lord PALMERSTON moved that there be granted to his Majesty 174,0001. fur the use of the disembodied militia. Mr. HOME, after complaining at swan lee& that these estimates were brought on, instead of the Irish„ estimates, which he had come duct n prepared to oppose, obit eted to this Tote on account of the stall' expenditure. lle wished to kuow why so large a staff was kept up, and why there were so many adjutants, paymasters, and surgeons to a militia, which, except as a musical hand, had no existence t Lord PALNIEIISTON said, there were 89 adjutants, be cause there were 89 regiments; and every militia man KrICW that it was also requisite to have a skeleton Ktor for each re giment. Besides that, it was likewise requisite that there should he a certain number of non-commissioned nfficers always resident at the head-quarters of each regiment. The grant was then agreed to. The resolution, that a sum not exceeding 116,7131. 2s. 10(1 be granted for defraying the expenses of disembodied militia in Ireland, for the current) ear, was agreed to, after a few words from Mr. S. Rice. Mr. GOULBURN next proposed that a sum not exceeding 108,9851. he granted for defraying the expenses of the Com usissariat in Irel and during the year 1822. Mr. HUME hoped the right lion. gentleman would submit some general explanation to show the necessity of such grants at these to defray the expenditure in Ireland. When the Ex chequers of Ireland and England were united, it was natural to expect that the boards of expenditure would be also embodied. Had that course been token, a wasteful and profligate prolusion would out have taken place in this branch of the public expen diture. Surely such a state of things called for iovestidation and inquiry. Why were nut the larger places curtailed ? Why was not the Lord Lieutenant's salary, which bad been raised to 30,0001. a year, in consxquence of certain expenses being thrown upon it, reduced in proportion when those expenses were cast upon other funds? The Irish expenditure ought to be more folly explained- Mr. GOULBERN could assure the honourable gentleman, that the consolidation of Boards to which he had alluded, was to ascertain extent in progress, and the commis ariat accounts were already transferred. Similar arrangements would shortly be made for the barrack department. Time vote was then agreed to. Mr. GOULL'UItN then moved that a sum, not exceeding 122,78.11. be grxrited fur defraying the expenses of the barracks in Ireland, for the year 1522. Mr. HUME complained of the enormous barrack es'ablish ment for Ireland. There were 257 barracks on the lush esta blishment, 157 of which were permanent, and maintained at an enormous expense. Mr. GOULBURN insisted that the civil service of Ireland required the present barrack establishment to maintain the peace of the country. Mr. SPRING RICE said, that though Limerick had been disturbed, there were only two barracks there ; white Derry, which was not disaffected, had eleven barracks. The vole was agreed to. Mr. GOULBURN then proposed the grants of 19,00111. fur the House of Industry in Dublin, and 5,0001. for the Lunatic Asylum, which was ■greed to, alter a abort conversation be tween Mr. Hume, Mr. Spring Rice, Mr. Grant, and Mr. Cruker, respecting the internal economy of these institutions, and their connexion with the Dublin Mendieity Society. The Chairman then reported progress, and asked leave to sit atimin. The SPEAKER resumed the chair, and the other orders of the day being divined of, the House adjourned at half-past one o'clock. TUESDAY, JULY lb. There being only 38membeisp;ese:iiat four o'clock. the Speaker declared the house to moil ailjourared till to morrow. WEDNESDAY, JULY IT. Petitions were presented against the Retail Beer Bill, from Mark Colingwood, London, Isle of Wight, Maidstone, Weald of Kent, Gloucester, Lincoln, and Harwich, Mr. BROUGHAM said his opinion would be unaltered, if there were to be 6000 petitions against the bill. The con snipers were a scattered body, otherwise there would he 103,000 petitions in favour of the hill ; but he was not surprised that the brewers and publicans in general should lia%e one com mon interest. He hoped, at all events, that the bill might go into a committee. Petitions brought in, and ordered to lie on the table. Mr. DAWSON presented papers previously ordered. re• spectin • the Cuurts of Justice in Scutland.—Ordered to lie on the table. Mr. SYNC presented two petitions from St. Pancras, and some intlisiduals iu Clerkenwell, soiost the Highgate Claaptl About forty members were added to this committee, on the motion of Mr. Bytig. Mr. HUME pre/wilted a petition from U. C. Jennings, coin plaining of the earlusive privileges enjoytd by the hniversittes to print Bibles. Read, and ordered to be punted. Mr. T. 11 IILSON presettivd a petition from ahip•owners of London against the Stamp Duties Bill. The transfer of ships which constantly took place was subjected to the tax imposed on the transfer of real property. The petitioners prayed, that when the Stamp Duties' Bill was brought forward. their ease should be taken into consideration.—Read, and ordered to be Mr. BROUGHAM presented a petition from John Lawless. proprietor of the Irishman newspaper, publish e d in Belfast, /37 complaining of the disturbances occasioned by the Orange S. eieties on the 12111 and 13th instant, in the North of Ireland, and praying the !lonise to adulit measures to preteut their re- Mr. S. RICE expressed his regret at the recurrence of thesis perioilkul enures or complaint, irritation, and division ; and bail lie had hoped, alter the King's letter, that such insults moult lone been aioided. Sir J. 31 ICINTOSII said, these proceet',i.es were scandal ous 1111111 NY on a conquered nation, and au annual lilt,' on the memory of King William. Mr. C01.1.111:11N observed, that he regretted as much as any one could the continuation of these ctlebrationii.—(Hear, hear ! )--N1 nth respect to what had recently occurred, be bad received no inforiontion ; hut lie had reason to believe that the accounts which had rt.:ached this couutry were greatly exagge rated. Sir G.HI fib also !ilia, th a t no one could deprecate more than he did the repetition of these manifestations. Mr. 111:11:11INSON said, if the got ernment desired to se cure the tranquillity of Ireland, the repetition of these outrages and insults would be preseutid. He was sorry the Attorney • General for Ireland was not in ilia place ; bad be been present. he (Mr. 11.) would hate inquired whether the law could not put down such outrageous proceedings. l'etition ordered to lie on the table. On the motion that it be printed. Mr. S. RICE expressed the hope that the disclaimers on both aides of the House would have their influence on persons iu Ireland. Mr. BROUGHAM again inquired whether the letter written by Mr. Suuriu, whether written many years or now, bad beers the subject of any investigation. Mr. GOLLN:IIN said, that under all the circumstances, b• had not deemed it necessary to institute any inquiries ;--un the f..ce of the letter, it appeared it was written many years ago. Sir G. lIILL asked, whether the letter had not been noticed by the hon. and learned gent. at the instance of a distinguished Irish Roman Catholic. . . 111 r. BROUGHAM replied, that he had not made the inquiry from any such solicitation ; it was in consequence of the publi cation of such a letter in a newspaper. Mr. R. MARTIN said, that he was glad to have heard the disclaimers of the processions that had taken place. So far, however, from there being offences on both sides, lie declared that he never beard the Lowest Catholics give toasts otrensive to the Protestants.—Petition ordered to be printed. BnEACiI OF COURTENAY moved that the order of the day be read for the attendance of Mr. Hope and Mr. Menziee. It was read aceordingly. Mr. (lope was then called to .he bar. The orders were read to hint by the Speaker. Mr. Hope acknowledged the paper. The SPIAKF.tt said that the House had voted sorb paper t* be a breach of privilege. Had Mr. Hope any thing to say in vindication or explanation of the letter? Mr. Hope expressed his respect for the constitution, parti cularly for the represent:oi% e branch of it. He lamented that an other course was left to him, in vindication of his honour and character, than the course be had pursued, which had been conatrurd into a breach of privilege. He bad no such inten tions ; be had nut desired to contemn the privileges of the House. The accusations against him were of a most serious nature, imputing to him what was most revolting. 'They were calculated to withdraw from him al! respect for his character. He therefore appealed to the House whether any course was left to him, when such imputations against him were dissemi nated throughout the empire, than the tine which lie had pur sued. As he denied the truth of these imputations, lie had no other means left to hint to contradict them, and to vindicate himself. By the publication of the debate the most painful result was produced : and he Loped the gentlemen of England would not condemn him for the coarse Le had pursued.—(Loud cheers.) Mr. Hope was then ordered to withdraw. Sir R. WILSON said, he had never been more shocked than lie now was by the loud cheers that had just proceeded (ruin a particular part of the House.—(hear, bear.)—lf those who were to be the judges were thus to conduct themselves, what hope were there of an impartial and eqeitelile reset: 7 Mr. T. COURTENAY moved, Mr. Mope, bevies); avowed himself the author, had been guilty of the breach of privilege. Sir F. BURDETT again deemed it his duty to warn the Hou ,e against this assumption of powers and privileges. If they were to enforce their privileges, why were the debater allowed to be published ? why should members be answerable for individuals who might publish the proceedings of that House. The privileges of that House were given as a shield agaitist the Crown ; they were never intended to lie as a sword to be directed against the people. Besides, supposing that to be privilege which they assumed to be privilege, were the people to be esposad to this ex poet futto law ? They complained of attacks on themselves, and then they instituted themselves to be Judges and jurors ; was there justice in all this.'—(Hear, hear! Madly knew what the charge was. As to any complaint against the hon. gent. (Mr. Abercromby), it was without foundation, for he wanted inquiry ; but at the same time he thought all Clear proceedings of Um House were im proper. Ott that ground he opposed the present proceedings. As to privileges of the House, they bed been repeatedly must grossly abused. A noble lord, for instaime, had been detected in bartering fora seat—(bear!) —but nothing was done, because the noble lord was detected to soon,—(Hear, and leughter.) There was an occasion worthy of the dignity or the house to interfere—but there no iuterfereuee was instituted. (Hear.)-- Some of the privileges were very questionable ; for instance, the freedom of members from arrest. As to the question be fore the house, he should not only resist it, but if the question for any censure were pressed, he should divide the house on it. Mr. S. WORTLEY said, if members were not to be pro tected when they preferred charges, there ought not to be al lowed any publication of the proceedings. Mr. CANNING said, the house had voted this to be a breach of privilege—the motion before the house must be agreed to ; but he should hot agree to even the stateliest censure. Mr. COURTENAY rose amidst cries of " question, ques tion." It was put and agreed to, with some cries of No." Mr. COUR ' EN AY again rose.—lle said they might to con sider, with many allowances, tha language that lied fallen from Mr. Hope. That individual was in a particular situation. His (11r.C.'s) object originally was—he was not as amed to avow it—to prevent a breach of the peace. That object bad bees accomplished, and lie therefore should propose the mildest cen sure on the individual who had beet. at their bar. As to their privileges they were held for the benefit of the people. He complimented the mann. r iu which Mr. Hope had eepleined himself—respecting that the object was to vindicate bituse.f, nut to attack the pis ileges of the house. He eirMuded with moving, and his ooject would be effected by adopting the reso lution which he should move—that Mr. Sneaker do commuoi cats to Mr. Hope. that, in consequence of his expianatioria, llte (F4r ruatinadis sea met 240..)