The National Register. — London, England, 1816-05-26 00:00:00

4 21 J showed the neecsidtv for some nnieuiltnent in the condition of the timer miters. 'hie Hon. Gentleman then nioveil for a se . heel Committee, to enquire into the slate of Education in the Metropolis. Mr. WItOTTIEFLEY perfectly agreed with the propor.ition. and thought that inuelt good might be ileri‘ erl from the charitable donations for the purpose of education in the different parishes. which he thought might be available for every desired purpose, without amilstance from Parliament. lie hada Bill to bring in, on the %object in .1 t. w days. Mr. %idertniill ATKIN. , agreed in the sentiments of the last Spenker. The Committee was then appointed. Mr. scut Tr presented a Petition from the English Catho lics. It was vouched in most moderate terms ; requesting only that Parliament would grant v. hat might lie deenied perfit•tly consistent with the safc.tv of the Protestant Church. Mr. Cip el-TAN brotigin tlirward the annual Irish Catholic Qnestion, and concluded an elognent spee.sli by moving, "That the [loose should, early in the 'test Sessi ~,,, take into its seri ous consideration the present state of the. Laws respecting the Catholics of Great Britain and Ireland, with a view to the adoption of sut•la measures us should tend to the getteral faction of all classes of Iris Majesty's subjects." Lord Castle reagh supported the motion ; hot still insisted on the itecessity elI O w ning securities from the C i ithelies ; and only Mr. Peel and Sir G. Mill opposed the 1111 l hielt was, however. re jected on a die ision of 172 to 1 t I.—Adjuuriud. WurtesDAY, 3IAv A petition was presented from tfestininster, signed by 1400 trailers. against the Bazaars. The District Surveyors' Hilt was lost on a division, by do against 12. Mr, News, e e moved fur a Committee to he appointed to consider the petitimu on the table on the sulsject of Ty thes ; and to report to the Hulse ou the expediency of enabling owners and occupiers of land to make a commutation by pe cindery means. Mr. Comex seconded the motion with great satisfaction. He consith•red the subject of tythes as one which celled loud lv for inquiry; such was, he believed, the general feeling if' all 'mimosa at all connected with agriculture. He had heard it assertetl, that if any change sl Id take place in the presetat system of tythes, if any commutation s y s t e m were in troduced, the agriculturist would pay more than lie did at present. He was of opinion, such would really be the ease ' • but still, the general feeling of the pe o p le would he consulted in the adoption of such a measure; and he Wilt persuaded, it would give universal satisfaction. Mr. Sulam, of Cambridge, and Mr. Rose, doubted the efficacy of ,appointing such a Committee. Mr. BRAND said, this was a question of immense importance. as it effected the morals and habits of the people, through dis sensions with the clergy; but the subject was not at present brought forward on grounds sufficiently comprehensive. For merly any question of this sett was considered by the clergy a: hostile to them. Such feelings, however, he was confident, did not now exist in the (mutiny; and lie believed there was very littie oppression when tythes were in the hands of the clergy. Still they we re akW of inconvenient joint tenancy. ; am) any means of improvement would be advantageous to the interests of agricultni c, to morals, anal to the church establish ment itself. Connotation was a el .ily practice. in enclosure hills. .A general measure might be productiv cof great benefits. Mr. V NRITTA PT considered the subject as one of the great est importance; and one, limn tke vatiety of interests it em braced, of the greatest ebfficulty. He (lid not consider that the time of the House, or of a Committee, could be better cm eloyed than in the enquiry; but he was fearful, it the Hon. -Gentleman's motion WAS adopted as it now stood, it would create considerable alarm, and do butt little service. Ile shotild, therefore, propose an amendment to the latter part of the motion, which, when amended, would stand thus:—" That the Committee be appointed to take into consideration the pe titions on the table, on the subject of tythes ; and to report to the House how far it might be expedient to allow proprietors of tythes to grant leases under new regulations." Sir W. Sourer defended the Clergy, and the present system of Tythes. 'the Clergy, he contended, exerted their tights in a manner the most moderate ; yet such was human stature, that those who had to pay, would always consider they paid too smolt. He lead no objection to adopting the recommendation of his Right lion. Friend, and giving to the proprietors of Tythes power to grant leases tinder due and specific regula tions. Lord Cesrtart EACH observed, if lie could for an instant iina gine there was any intention of invading the rights and property attic Church, and of the po-sessora of tythes, he should in dandy and strongly oppose it; hut if it was merely intended to enquire how rights and pris lieges belo sing to certain indi viduals might be best exercised for their on n advantage and fur the adv aataee if the Public, then he should consider it as a proper subject of Parliamt Mat y enquiry. lt . rite enquiry of the Committee was to he limited to the expediency or inexpe diency, the possibility or iir pie-041)&111y, of allowingor empower ing the proprietors of ts dies to grant leases, lie would not op pose the appointment of such a Co 11111 l ittee. Mr. Brume: nest vv;sheil it to he understood, that nothing could be farther from the intention of himself and his Hon. Friends, than to attempt to question the right of the Clergy to their Tythes. Church had a right to one-tenth of the produce at the soil, as absolute and inviolate as the right of the proprietor of the land to the other nine-tenths. All that they surged was, that some regulation should take place; and that the Church should not claim one-tenth of the capital laid oft upon the land, as well as oueeenth of the produce. This had been held right by our ancestors: in the reign of Edward M. --a time when no very tree modes of thinking existed as re garded the rights of the Church—the Laity seized the Church's rents of all lands previously barren upon which capital was, fur the first time then expended ; and since that time madder had been exempted from tytke. With respect to the preseat mo tion, he felt a prejudice, supposing nothing was to arise out of it. lie could not agree with his Right lion. Friend (Sir W. Scott), that the operation of the measure upon the agricultural tythes would teed to perpetual litigation among the Clergymen and their parishioners : on the contrary, he thought it would tend to encourage the laying out of capital on land, which eon seemingly must benefit the Church. The more he considered the subject, the more he was CailViliCiel it was full tune fur the Itemise to interfere, and settle the question, for the benefit of all patties. V. Patti. expressed his hope that the views of the Committee would be extended to the consideration of the necessity of coni• muting tythes iu lrt la el. Lot d .vin Tots COI a dcred any commutation of the clergyman's tythes fur land calculated to make the clergyman too much of a landed proprietor or a farmer. The amendment he thought too confiaed in its amine : for the fact was, that Perhaincii. were vet) , year in the habit of recognising the principle of !rnting; and a Committee se con t . ", .d i n • IL - S object would pro -duce he new iefurtuatiou whate:s tr. THE NATIONAL REGISTER. Mr. LESLIE FOSTER, Mr. D. BROWN F:, and Sir J. Nt.wrotrr, spol‘e at some length on the state of tythes in Ireland. Mr. Prit›Tuts thought that the motion did not go tar enough, and a more extrusive measure might to be adopted. He hail uo Ill'4itilltlllll ill sift, inn, that the church did not at this moment re• ceive oust fourth of its actual richt. Mr. gvr NAN Fhuttl replied; when the original motion was negatived, and the amendment carried, without a division. Mr. SHAW moved for a Select Committee to enquire into tht• shoe of the Laws in Ireland respecting illicit distillation, which was agreed to, and a ContiMttee appointud. Mr. VANOITTA 'IT having moved the Order of the Day for going into a Committee on the Soap Bill, a conversation ensued; during %skids the I.:west:l.l.mm of the Event:nut:li stated his intention of mai.ing the duties on hard and soil soaps equal. This, with 1111 l e other amendment., iti the measure, mikes it, it if understood, more acceptable to all purtieb.--The Bill then welt through a Committee.—Adjourned. 'rat RSIDAY,MAY 23. Mr. Bastard took the oaths and his seat for Devonshire. In answer to u question from Mr. Brougham, respecting the accommodation to be given under the Income Tax Act. Mr. VANtErrART said, the pressure ot other matter had prevented him from bringing the subject before the House ; but it was intended to divide the payments due—one half to be paid in J sly, and the other in 1 ary neat Mr. H. Davis presented a petition from the West InS•ia merehauts, planters, and others, resitting in Bristol, against the Bill for a general registration of slaves in the West Indies, which was ordered to lie on the table. Mr. Wthnt.nrottee stated, that it was not his intention to press the Bill this session hey I the first reading ;in conse quence of a declaration of I d)rd Castlereagh, that negotiations were now pending between his .Majesty's Ministers and the other powers chiefly interested in the Slave Trade (meaning, of course, Spain and Portugal), for the effectual extinction of that infamous traffic. Lord CASTLEREAGH, in his remarks on the proposed fill, expressed Isis distinct assent to the principle of it, but thought it should be left to the discretion and justice of the Colonial Legislatures. The CHANCELLOR of the ExettLettEß, after alluding to the arrangements made with the Bank, fur the advance of three millions, gave notice, that ou Monday next he should tale a re view of the general Ways and Means for the year. Ihe Right Hon. Cwot. stated, that there would he no loan. Mr. Serjeant OsisLow, having first taken a review of the laws re ;elating the rate of Interest, w hilt had been passed at various periods of our history, contended that these laws were passed in times of profound ignorance ; that their emninnation only promoted usury ; and that the price of money ought not to In fixed any more than laud. He concluded My toot ing for leave to bring in a Bill to repeal the laws that regulate the rate of interest on leans of money. The CHANCELLOR of the Excitant:en stated, that after Para !lament had borrowed eleven hundred millions, ler the ex istence of the laws in question, and the fait It of their coatimumee, it would neither he wise our just to repeal them at once, and without due deliberation. A sudden and violent change sit the present moment might shake the established system of money transactions. After some discussion, sir. Sericant Onslow withdrew his notion till a more fa vonrable opportunity. Sir SAMUEL ROMILLY illtlLOlHeed his promised statement of the Persecution of the l'rotestants in the South of France, and brought forward a great mass of interesting and important matter, sheaving the horrid atrocities committed on the Pro testants, and the apathy with which the French Government passed them over without punishing the perpetrators. The Hon. Gentleman concluded a speech of near three hours by moving an Address to the Prince Regent our copies (Wall cor respondence between the British and irench Governments on the subject. The motion was opposed by Lord CASTLEREAGH, on the ground that this country had no right to interfere with the in teraal affairs of France ; and finally negatived without a divi sion.—Adjourned at one if clack. FRInAY, MAY ?A. The CHANCELLOR of the Excise:swan having moved the third reading of the Soap Bill, Sir M. W. RIDLEy would not let the Rill pass w without sonic observations. He considered it particularly oppressive to ma nufacturers of hard Soap. If the measure were proceeded in, there would be no pot-ash to be procured from Russia next year. Mr. Bic OVOHANI wished to know whether any great addition %%Amid be made to the revenue by this Bill. Tht CHANCEL ton of the Faun:guise said, that this Bill was certainly introduced, at first, to protect the Whale Fisheries; but that it had been found it would produce considerable in crease to the revenue, which he estimated at 130,0001. He then entered into a general view of the effects of the Bill on manufacturers and the public, and stated, that it would not be felt in a higher ratio than threepence a head in diffment fami lies. The price of soap would not be raised by the measure more them eight or nine shillings per hundred weight, and the whale duty would only be 30s. Mr. Cu ItWEN contended, that the effect of the Bill would be felt in the ratio of Ys. on each family. Mr. ithotutwis said, that the answer of the Right Hon. Gen tleman proved that, instead of a regulation, this was merely a tax Bill. 'the manufacturers had had all the regulation part of the measure taken otthy their different applications, and the tax was left to be paid by the coasumers only. The Chancel lor of the Exchequer had said that the effect of the Bill would be felt only in the ratio of threepence a head, but threepence added to threepence made sixpence, and two sixpences made a shilling. It was by these degrees that a heavy tax was laid on articles of the first necessity. Mr. Rose defended the Bill, as it was impossible to procure any revenue without taxing objects of cameral consumption • He would have preferred the Property Tax, but that had been rejected; as it was necessary to have a revenue for the coun try, articles of consumption must be taxed. Mr. LITTLETON thought the arguments used on the other side of the House fallacious, and deprecated those side-pi aises given to the Property Tax. The question was put and carried without a division. The Bill was then read a third time and passed. Sir M. W. RIDLEV, having seen that the Marquis of Wor cester had been appointed a Lord of the Admiralty, wished to inquire of the Noble Lord opposite (Castlereagh), whether lie t monied his both:neon. commission in t h e 17111 Hussars, now in Fiance. He conshicred thor.e two appointments as ineora patible; the duties of the one or the other st be neglected, i they were held by the same person. Lottl TLERE4OII was not prepared to give an answer. Lord ALTMORP invited Witt it the Alec of President of the Board of Controul, whi. h had been left vacant tor three months, as though its duties could be di•peused with, would be filled up ? MAY PA. Lord C.S.STI.EttLAtaI replied, that it would be tilled up in short time. He had tilled that situation himself; and his opinion was, that it was a most laborious one. Mr. Bitnen ll 01 observed, that a hen the Noble (mid held it, he was also Secretary of State ; sit that it was not astonishing that lie should tied his double duties laborious. Mr. TIERNEY moved an Amcnilitient in the Civil List Bill, which went to preclude the Crown from coining to Parliament fur rel:el (in the event of any future excess ocem ring), till the funds exclusively at the disposal of the Sovereign, the Admi ralty Droits, eze. should have: been applied to meet the same, so tar as they should go. Hg objected to the appointment of a new °Meer under the Lord Chamberlain, Lord Steward, and Master nt the Horse, to common! the Civil List Expenditure, with an income of 41,500 per annum. , , IN JA ...7ASTLER EACH contended, that the Bill now before the Hunse brought the Civil List more under the jurisdiction of Parliament, than it could be brought by the Amendment of the Right Hon. tieutleman. The new Officer, be thought, %mild be found if great importance; and this had been the solemn and deliberate opinion of the committee appointed to inquire into the affairs of the Civil List. lie further stated the Prince Regent to have directed that allow sixty offices in the depart ments of the Lord Chamberlain and Lord Steward should not be filled up when they next fall vacant. These offices are therefore virtually suppressed. After a loug coaversation, the House divided upon the amend. meat. Ayes, 1 10.—Noes,230.—Majority in favour of the Bill, 11 1. The Report was then agreed to, and the Bill ordered to ha read a third thue.--Adjourued to Mond.iy. MUNGO PARK. Every circumstance that can elucidate the fate of the ex• ;Amer of Africa is interesting; although, from the length of time that has elapsed since ke was last heard of, the probability of his being in esistence is so chimerical as scarcely to afford the must distant ray of its b: ing realized. The faowing is, however, a singular coincidence, and there can be no doubt but the white men therein mentioned might be Park, and pro bably his fellow-traveller Lieut. Martyn ; particularly as it is known they embarked on the Niger with only three of their companions, and also that no person•, as is there described, could possibly be in the interior of that country, anti similarly situated, but them. The manner in which this information has been obtained is rather singular, brit there scents no reason to doubt of its eorreetness. It appears, that some time since a gen tleman accidentally observed in London a seaman whom be had seen at Cadiz, where he w•as will known from his having been in Africa, and at Tombuctoa, a city whirl' no white persoa before has been able to reach, although it is the great object of European research. This seaman, whose nettle is Robert Adams, belonged to the American Charles (and is a utilise of America, born ou Hudson's river), end was wrecked Oct. 11, iglu, near a small place called El Gazie, on the African coast, to the northward of Cape Blanco ; and, with the rest of the crew, made prisoners by the Moors. After some short tone the whole were conveyed by the barbarians across the Great Desert to Sondenny, and thence to Tombnctoo, experiencing the greatest fatigue and hardships. After a slavery at various places for four years, and vindergoing every cruel treatment, he was so fortunate as to have his ranisoun effected by Mr. Dupuis, the consul at Mozadore, front whence he went to Fez, obtained a passage to Cadiz, where he remained until peace with the United Statca wits concluded, and ultimately arrived in Lou don. He states, that among the negro slaves at Wed-noon (where, from his being a white man, he attracted great notice) was a woman who said she came from a place called Kann°. a long way across the Desert, and that she bad seen in her own country white men, as white as " bather" (meaning the white wall), and in a large boat with two high sticks in it, with cloth upon theta, and that they rowed this boat in a manner d.fferent from the custom of the negroes, who use paddles. In stating this, she made the motion of rowing with oars, SO as to leave no doubt that she had seen a vessel in the European fashion, and manned by white people. Adana arrived at this place August 23, Irbil, and remained there till September 1813. Many of the slaves purchased at Tombuctoo and other places, and brought by the Moors and Arabs across the Great Desert, come from countries very far to the eastward; it is therefore not improbable to suppose, that the place from whence this woman came might be the kingdom of Ghana, or Calm, on the Niger, lying between the 10th and Irsth degrees E. latitude. Supposing this correct, the curious relation of this person wilt afford reasonable ground for conjecturing that Park had made further progress on the Niger titan where the guide states be parted with him; and as Park's death by drowning, together with his companions, only occurred the day ater the guide gave up his charge, he could not have made any ffreat progress in his voyage. The time that intervened between the depar ture of Park from Sansanding, where he embarked on the Niger the 17th of November 1805, and his reported death at Sills either in March or early in April 1806, would greatly ad. ntit of his having reached a territory more distant than Kann°. That this enterprising traveller has met his death is almost certain ; but the time, place, or circumstances under which it occurred, are enveloped in mystery, and rest alone on the bare assertion of his guide, who, it most be recollected, was not an eyewitness of the avant, but obtained the information from others. At Wed-noon, the only white person which Adams Coned there seas a Frenchman, who had been shipwrecked said taken into slavery. The temptation which had been held out to this man, as is invariably done by the f.illowers of Mal:Gillet to all Chris tians who tenfortim.:.ely fall iu their power, was too strong tbr him to resist. He had therefore turned Mahotnctan, and ‘tai in consequence circumcised; by which means he was humedi ately removed from slavery, allowed to marry, and was the ga ther of . several children. At this place he had resided twelse years, and obtained a livelihood by making gunpowder, which was purchased with great avidity by the Moors and Arabs, all of whom were entirely ignorant of the process used in its manu facture. 'this secret the Frenchman studiously kept from them, and always made the gimposvdcr alone in a room of his house to which no °he els:. bed access. It is icpurted he is since dead. CURIOLS CASE.—Early An Friday morning, as the watchman was going his rounds, in Bond-street, he observed a m a n put box, resembling a tea-chest, into a hackney-couch ; all was mot right, he stopped the coach, and on examining the box, the contents proved to be a liftman body ; and from the circumstance (slits basing mustachios, it is supposed to be the holly of a foreigner or a hussar soldier. The man who had this box, however, ran assay ; bat thr. coachman was secured, Hod was examined on Saler:lay before the Marian ate •, and di.- char, edots it nos pro: cu lie did uoL know what tbe box cLue Wined.