The National Register. — London, England, 1816-04-07 00:00:00

whilst ei teas M inlet lot' (Were, s, the detection of ss heel re sieve ! no reward, weie •101, led to go on, till the otlendei , in creasing is v.ce at d iiertillio id. plot e: led till his cisme et tweed -itch a inagn rattle, as made his pet sett worth II &king aft. r. Ties Wits one gre at ev.l of the system. Aim her evil was, ihe esist ut e Of a litiOlbe . rOl homes, call. d h lit uses, to which thie ri.surietl, sod of which !beet, wei e 'Tomtit. Of 100 west 01 Temple Bar, all well known to tlw Pollee Offi cers. Auo h•.r gie .t es il o as, he bellicved, the number ot penal fah net a, is me than Wee, which snood in our sta tute book „lied which, tr. in hi it immelise number, fi evenly tu (laced Judge ard dillies in heir mercy—the offences luring trivial —to allow the aft n,:ers io escape altogetlit r. Anotherevil was the great expellee ant n.ling leeseeuting in criminal Cases : which, it ispe peat eit, the c, a.se of lust year had cost the . public abuse a 0 'There was ;Also another great and crying . end . that was, that in our prisons there was no classtheati, n of crenes ; but the great and the triflitig—the young iied the har d. ned offender against the laws—were uotifni d together. Ihe lieut. considered the system of transportateet as one great , vil. Offenders were sent to the hulks, from which, ut the esti la irn of their sentences, they were turned. upon the pubs c withgorse morals than - at the time of their punishineet cent oeactag. So with respect to persons.returiang tient trans port Men, lie had hi aid it asserted, that no person es er re turn, d from transportation who was not either . leeiged utler eze, or eentinuede.o range about town, 111 l tutting depreda tions La the public. Ile eiewhided by nu.v'ng lor the appo.nt mauit of a Committee to i c iota the resent state o f the Police of the comet y_ Mr. 11.ArintsimroN could cot , :re the necessary for a Select Committee, as no emend of e plaint hail been hahlaettiust tine 1I i g is, i airs for a dereliction of their duty. His N Male Re tatian (I.oid Sidirouth)a•sumbled the Magistrates on the tir:t day of evely it. onth, it the Office of the Home Department. They meo este? day, as mail, and they declared that they ut ver knewthe Metropolis none tranquil. They also expressed their surprise that it was so, because the restoration of Peace had throw n such a number of persons out of employ. With re spect to the increase of yonthfal depravity, he was sorry to state the fact was so; hut the Penitentiary-house wi as n a state of being very AOOll finished ; that deseriptioneil confinement was beet calculated to punish, and at the saute time reform, this species of juvenile depredators. The Motion was then agreed to and a Committee appointed. THIRD SECRETARY OF STATE. Met, TIERNEv ruse to call the attention of the House to the filffice of Third Secretary of State ; and to propose an Addlt as tothePrince Regent, that the din Won of tliefitate Office merle 1th1794, be revised and placed on the footing it stood .in 17:13. The object which he had in view was, to economize the espen. MS of the service without endangering the safety of the coun try.—The question for consideration was, whether in the pre sent state of the country it was not necessary to abolish the Office altogether, and thus carry. economy into effect. to• 1765, there were only twq secretaries of State; when a third Secretary was appointed( under the name of Colonial Se susetary, which continued till, 17042, when Mr. Burke's Bill abo. lashed that Office. matters continued till the year 1794 ; when, Mr. Dundas being Secretary for the Home Department, it was found that the business arising from the war had so in creased, that it became necessary to revive the Office of third. Secretary to act as War Secretary.—lt was then clear that this institution of a War Secretary, was for the purpose of settling the la bouts of the Home secretary, and leaving. him, to trans-. act the business of the Home Department unfettered with any of the War transactions.. The Home Secretary lead the conducting of the colonial business, and indeed it was evident that the whole of that business sea managt•din the Home-Of tice. To show the fact to be so, he need only refer to the es i ilence of Mr. King, the Under Secretary of State. In this de partment was cast the whole executive business of the British mpire, ith the exception of the Ease belies. The war being now over, he had to contend.that the State office ought to re vert back to the situation iu objets it stood previous to 1794. It would be recollected that the speech from the throne stated the readiness of the Prince Regerst to concur in any suggestions which the House might make. 'the House hetkinade none, as yet; and, therefore, he thought it high time to begin. —(!fear, . Aear!)—He made the proposition without any. party motives, Istft with a view to economy; for he would have proposed it if his own friends had hem in power. 'The Right Hun. Gentle linen then stated• the cepences of the refer Secretary up to the present period, to defray the charges as they at present stand, w sum of 29,0001. would be requited. A Paper on the table would chew the-estimate of the eepences. The expence of the Home Department was &A nil. not nickeling clerks, This stun was paid to Lord Ilatherst, his Secretaries, Oec. The War De partment was now reduced to 14901. So that all that related to the Office was done away withsin consequence of the peace. The defence ot• Ministers to-night annst be, that, iu continuing this office, it was for the purpose of transacting the coluniul.bir eines!: He contended, that the Coloniel Department orient, without detriment to the setAita, be transferred back to 'the lione Department : nor would he object to the transfer of the .tacretary of the War Department. Such a. transfer would save to the country between 12 and 14,0001. a year, He might be told that the increased acquisition of Colonies had.contri lauted materially to.tbe increase of the business. It might be said, that the Mauritius, Ceylon, and the Cape,formed a ground ef. objection to ehe transfer; but he saw no reason why the bu siness-of those Islands slieulthnot be transacted at the Office of the Board of Centroul, lie had no desire to deprive the I :es erinueut of a Cabinet Minister—all that he wanted was, to turn the Noble Lord over to the Beard of Controul, by subdki. ding the busiuras of the Secretary ut State, and thereby sav e the connti y tram 12 to le,oool. a year. He thought it no dif ficulty to make work for himself, if lie held a sinecure office. When he was Trea surer of the Nevy, l i e did contrive totted employment f or about an hum or an hour and a half a diy. It was true that if a Gentleman chose lie might cut out work• or the appeartuwe of out k, by - ordering the Clerks under him to make out returns of this, to copy that, and recopy the steer account, all for the sake of being a men of busineet. lie hoped tl.e 1(1/use would agree n ith ham, that, under the pre sent circumstances ofi the country this thiel S w ecretary, ho was a kind of interloper, should , b e go t r id of. The itieht Hon. Gentlemaii concluded with moving the Asklress, &c. Mr. Ouvenutes conceived it was necessary far him to state lame reasons fur object; ng ill (rim to the motion of the Right sun. Gentlemen. In It;;'I, the accession of the CUllli/ieS was Illotill4 so oppressive on tee war department, that it beaame necessary to transtvr tie militia and volunteer corps to the henat depaitinciit, and to pl ace t h e co l on i t under the ‘ of the oar department. lic rontom i,.. lt iw t i rd , the celunies had a right to a riepoioitee I nor , r g s it roveeil t ttaO cape tin send Omit' airairl; them ' to o their adrift., awl divide the I;.7.4...geinent among diginct •{ 7 He inatanced the variety of loisiiiiss mine,' the • f 1 "2 .1 . As the col •s had been the means of eta h lrie n ri r It' • lit Cul terniination of the war, he tle,tig!st they t e l .; it! ttelletistliecti VIE NATIONAL REGISTER. in some consideration. it might be is .11 .0 sn es. tia.ist;• other affairs to the cnenizance of the. 110/1.11.1 * Cootroill: but he did not know nhether the ',..ast hall; ..Otup ttty ‘41,4..1 he disposed. to pay a IlliniKter fete nntuueiu, caber idtat. . lilt it OWII. 'rite Holm: Department were fully employed without any additional business; they had under their cotnrotil the external military force, the police, and the govermiivitt or Ireland ; awl if to these ditties was to be added the sui.erin tentlenre of the colonies ' lie nos afraid the home btedneslk might be neglected; nor did. he imagine that the saving of 0 or 70001. at most (for that Wat 4 the extent of the 94% itig) would be ;t stilliciont inditeement to the House waffler to the Atlort ss. . . Mr. C• WVNNE considered the question as a must 110110 Mat one. it hen he came into the odit e or . Under Secretary of State, the business of the militia and volunteers was entrusted to one Secretary, and the police and got ernment of Ireland to the other. Since then the liminess had greatly decreased, es pecially with respect to aliens ; therefore the business generally vas not ?.I/ heavy as the lion. Gentleman had stated, In every point of view the assertion in that respaet failed. lint the colonies, it was alledged, was a material ingredient. If that argument had beam applied against uniting the colonies. with the war business, then a stdfieient groom' would have existed for refusing to unite that service with the business of the war department. Tint no such argument had been adduced. With respect to the rebellion.of the India Company, which the Hon. Gentleman was afraid of, did the Hon. Gentleman forget some few years Ago that Lord Melville tilled the three offices at the same time, of Secretary of State, Treasurer of the Navy, and President of the Board of Commit On that tocastun, he had never heard that the India Company had expressed any anger, or remonstrated on the sobject—! liar, hear.)—in whatever way he looked at the suirieet, he thought the alteration pro posed by his Hon. Friend, was highly beneficial to the pit bite, both in point of economy, and the public being well served. for the pnblie were never so well served as Alien their servants were fully . employed.. . _ . Mr. H. ADDINGTON wished to set the Right Hon. Gentleman right as to.wie point respecting the colonies: during the Ame rican war, there was a third Secretary of state. With respect to the militia, when the new ballot for ettiopteating that species of force was out, the business of the Secretary would be greatly increased.. In respect to tOi• Department, though he admitteNt was decreased, still, in coneequence of the dismissal of Mr. Rees es, who matiaLted the alien business, the labour fell on him (Mr. A.) Since the year 1806, the bu siness generally of the office had increased one-third in all the various departments connected with the Government. Mr. MARRYATT considered the reduction of the Colottiol Department as impossible under the present circumstances, and therefore coultPnot vote for the motion. Sir J. NEWPORT supported the motion of his I Ton-Friend, COIIVOICNI that the State-office miLdit be subdivided, as pro posed by hisifight Hnn. Friend ; because it had been proved that the Board of Contioul had no increased labours, and the Horne Department's labours were greatly diminished. He wished to know bow business was conducted diming tile absence of the Noble Lord (Castlereagh) on the Continent. Mr. B. HMI NU HST opposed the motion, on the grounds stated by the Hon. Gentleman (Mr. Goo!bourn). With respell to the maimer in which the business of the Foreigmoffice was con ducted Is Inle the Noble Lord was on the Continent, it niest be observed that the business was of necessity thrown into the state of a tbreign power, consequently the business was trans acted in the capital of the Potentate where the Allied Sove reigns were assembled, and the Noble Lord transmittod his transactions home to his colleagutvs. Mr. Sstyltf cootendcd, that. the office which the present motion sought to abolis4 had born abolished b' Mr. Burke's bill of 1782. He was quite at a loss how to think this office necessary, when there were no volunteers or yeomoury to he attended to. Those who at this period recommended expense in this or any other demutnient of Government, were neither holiest counsellors of the crown, nur friends to the people. Mr. B %, HLE 4, after complimenting Mr. Tierney on the way which he had brought this business forwurd; said, it was witn pain. that he was obliged to state, that, in his opinion ; this office was necessary for the public service. —( Hear, helm).— His wish.was to keep lip efficient offices, and those only. But, on the same grounds,.the House should lay its fingers on all offices that were inefficient and useless. Such were the two Cale . .. Justices in Eyre • Mr. Posistesev could not help regretting, that that Hon. Gentleman wrothd never vote for any measure of economy, except he brought it forward himself.. At present we had nothing to fear from abroad; neither had we so many cols/Wes or so much business to do for them, us when the States of Arne. rica belonged to this country ; but the difficulties of the country had hicreased.; it -t he in the Home liepartment. The superintemlance of the Cape of Good Hope, the Mauritius, and Ceylon, might be turned over hi the Board of Controul, which had already the management of the affisirs of Hindustan. The office of President of the Board of Controul being vacant, he was sure that no gentleman. would refuse that appointment be cause the management of these three colonies was superadded to the duties of that office. At no time should a sum of 12,40001. - a year. be an object of small consideration to the House; and especially at the present time, he thought that a SUM of 12,0001. would tie considered as uo small saving to the country. Lord CA•ILEREACIf objected to the transferring of the business of three colonies to the Board of Contraul. They might as well be referred to the President of the Conned, or the Lord Privy Seal, who were thought to have little to do in 'their offices. It appeared that a third Secretary of State had existed from 1768 to 17b2. But now it was said tbot we wantedrm such office. Surely no one would say that the busi ness of the colonies bad not doubled !ince 1782. When any man consirtesed the extent of the superintendance at the secretary of State over the new colomes, he would not say that this office was useless. ' Mr. Hose spoke tgainst the motiaa„ Mr. TI.ERNEV said, this was, to all intents and parposes, according to Mr. Iturke's Act, a new office, and could not be held by any one without his vacating his seat in that House: although the Noble Lord held that idtice at the time of the Walcheren Expedition, and previous work he made of tliat, (A btu ; M.). -The. email:malice of this office would saddle the country with an expenee of at least I 4,otittl. a year. Let there lie a Committee to examine his piopi.sition. Let Loral Sidnimith, and all those he examilicilos ho had held this othee; and if a. ease were not made out that this office eminl be exe cuted by Ike two Secretaries of State, as 1111(40'1)re, lie would .give up his proposition altogether. If the House did not make the Noble Lord.attentl to the duties of econoiny,ane . her lie nor any ot. Majesty's ajesty's 11binisti rs %instil adopt me .1A s. it I eduction in ex p,t nee, as necessary In rt lies e the pot. from the toughens they had so pato:tidy borne durinu.the coarse of a long war. Ali. Ilia nuns: thought the coutinuance of a third Secretary tit . ..hale necessary. The If 'use then 'livid( d—F-r the motion ino—Alikinkt it In—Atquilty b 2.— Atijuttrue'lat ilait:paA l we.vt: u clock. ' THUhS! 4 AI, :1•111L 4. APRIL 7 !h,.mn'.nr•c's Pet.ticwil .aid thy Mt. [Telma intercourse 'it'll. wet e ie.a.l a Card.(iliac afift p.med ; as•raral:.o the Ex. ••i+. ILI% Lord N. GENT p-c4ented a petition from the town of Ayles iitiry. praying the a;,olition of sinecure plants, and :he airy lion of economy. rie N.ible 1,9111 au: d, the rejection of rho Vroporty thrown 114 11.14/11 the que.tion , •t* ‘s eight millions of receianc wt re rut tot, it remained for us .o discover, not how to .slipply those ci,ht millions, but how to save them. He should• not n.,w e•;.Arge on the distress of the .icricultursl and commercial in•crests ; be should leave the pe tition to speak fur itself: hot there was one imiut in the peti tion to which he mast refer, because it cancosied the very existence of mtg. constitution. The hml partiritlar ;y objected to the destinotion of that Fort of our tinny which was termed the army of oceup ition. They deemed it silicon •tinitimmi that such a force should be in pay and under th. in fluence of the French Ki..e—re.i.ly, perh .ps, to iii%•ilic cur own shores in l'uor-titul•twenq hours. and certainly liable to MI. Lillie notions hostile to the coil,' itutioit of this country. Lord li CAVE/4nm, bole his testimony to those iping the. sentiments not only of the people of Aylesbury, n ut a r.reat part of the surrounding population ; they were also his senti ments—and he herxed hate to give notice, that he should, after the recess, submit a motion to the H nise upon the Public Expenditure, and the existence of a lane- Army, voids war i n direct opposition to the principles of the constitution of this country, and subversive of our li berties. _IN'17:1111UPTION RYTHE 'MILITARY. Lord MILTON said, that thmgh our soldiers might acmdre improper notions in the air of France, he was not one of those who thought that the spirit of liberty was extinct in this mm.. .try; but if it were not extinct, it was now more than ever the duty of everyone to watch with jealousy against any encroach ments on that liberty. He- feared the Home might think it trifling that be !Wind mention accidents which had occurred to tumult': but lie thought it r•gltf to eto 1111 l 'inmate to the House a circumstance in which he had been this day concerned. Me was going about in an open carriage, and had occasion to pass by the corner of one of those streets where guards were statimied in the novel manner that had lately been adm red. He was pre vented from proceeding on h., way liv sa soltlieroationcil in the street: he then ca.ed the soldier h's name, and by what right, or under what enthral its, he was stopped on the highway ? The soldier refused to tell his name, and on his (Lord Nlilton's) at tempting to proceed, struck his horse, ad•ii•aK, that it he at tempted to pms, ist would strike him too. -'flue soldier struck the horse with a sword, and Net when, so fir frond there bi ing any crowd, there were not tee eat riages nettle while length of Piccadilly. This was pte•erying the peace! The peace was to be preserved by striking the horses, and even the persons of people who were quietly proceeding iu rho discharge of th e i r lima! occupations. He would not say that hbeety was yet ex tinct , but he thought these facts worthy the attention of the House, because such a system was Zrowiug an, of accustoming the people to see soldiers employed, when th^civil pawer would be quite sufficient fur the pre.ervation of peace. He was the last who w ished to see riot or dist aVlsauce ; hut he was certain, that on ordinary occt‘sions, the constables were quite sufficient for their urevention LortiCssrt.cnEsnn and the Cauincemmitof the EXCPECitER enforced the necessity and convenience of having the aid of the military on those occasions, (meaning the Drawing Room at Buckingham House) w hich they said was no new spits.; but they admitted that ifan unnecessary exercise of restriction arose, it ought to be remedied ; w hick, of course, would he dime, without the intervention ofa formal proceeding in that House. Mr. Poasosuv ridiculed the plea uf.Joirsenience, or of ne cessity, in this mode of employilig a Military force. Mr. Itlytoic wished to ;mak whether after the saldier made his threatsword in hand, he would he justified in putting lord Milton to death, if he had persisted in proceeding?( icon) I low would this matter stand in a Court of Law? Ought the House to pass over un affair of this sort? He saw that a great breach of privilege bud been committed against a Atember of the House. Mr. BROUGH sm and Mr. BENNirr pointed nut tint the em ployment of military in such cases was 'pule of modern growth, duties of this kind has ing been performed by Peace Othee's early in the present ri M.r. BR 46GL B Mgt itsT said, all inconvenieneies should be enimieed into and remedied.—After a long conversation, Lord N'ezent snored for a copy of the instructions under which the life-Guards acted yesterduy.in Westminster. A division took place uu Lord Nugtnt's tnutbout—Noes, 48; Ayes, 31. Alityo.. rite 17. The Report of the Committee ()tithe Brighton New Road' Bill, was brought up. On the motion for the second reading of the aineudimputs, Mr. Ilimme Si MAIER objected to this Bill altogether. Ile considet.. d that the present road was quite sufficient for the politic purposes, and thought the projected new mid would be a mere idle wave of money. In this ti el. ing, he moved that the amendments should be read this day 7.. ix months. Sir JAMF:S GRA If Ulf spoke in favour of the dill ; and, after, a few observations from Mr. THORNTON, the original question was tarried without x dh isiun ; the anwildnients wVIC agreed , to; and the Bill was ordered to be engre.ssed, Sir JOHN NEwnoirr, idler adverting to the thin attendance of Members, postponed his motion on the State of , Iceland to the Malt inst. A long conversation arose on this postponement, `h i the rout se of which the paramount importance of the suit jeer, and the necessity for a full attendance during its d us %ion, WWI generally admitted. It was ordered that the liouse be called over on the occasion. THE M tLT TAX. The House went into a t!ommittee on the Malt Tav r and 1110 CUANGELLoR Of the F. Uttalt.rat prokkusCti a Resolution that 2s. per bushel dniy should be taken oil every bushel of Malt brewed after the :Ali of July neat. In answer to a question from Mr. Caren, the Right Hon. Gentleman said, it was. intended to remit the duty on such. Malt as should be brewed into fuer between this stud the sth of April. Mr. Cunwzs said, he andiersteoil that the drewleack to be allowed to brewers would take a sum of 700,0001. out of the public rev without relieving the barley gem% ye. lie thought the brewers charged. too high It pike for their com modity already. Sir M. Ittimev thought the brewers ought to lower the prier of their porter one penny per Twat. Mr. 1310LND saii4 it should be recollected,. that thrshrewers hail paid r war duty of 16s. upon every quarter of Malt the had brewed. They ought, tLei dime, In justice, to be allowed sonictisiu.4 fur the stuck iu hand. lie im-lerstuiil it was tie in tention of the brewers 'slower the porter as soon as the duties ,ceased. vI.ANCEI.I,OII Of the Foiciteuten said, the )I(.mber for ;ertfartlsture (Air. Brand), was l.crle.•etly riehr, that as far as ic.ated to.the stuck in hand the repeal of the 3lalt Tax would. ~, .w •