The National Register. — London, England, 1816-05-06 00:00:00

THE NATIONAL REGISTER. Mr. Wesruet4 thought that the Committee had not Riven the Subject that extruded investigation %stitch it desereed. They Lad lint eeatineed one moot-grower-- hut they had received the evidence of wool-stet 'ere, awl collet a. nhu were interested hi vr !big the fawn to remain us they . were ut 'Herein. Mr. illirtt GriAm asked, what did the Report disclose? A fact alio+ ie. persist: had ever denied ; namely. that the agii tee ar m e a r net oreusiencel by the low toilets of moot who : .1 ever earl it vi as so tweasioised ? Who had ever 4 emit of such au assertion ? On the contrary, those who con intrrt d the ugticuit nisi g ut Piqua had monotony ugreid in stat hog. that were it n it fir the high pike %%hie h noel brute:let during thy last ten y ears, es agiteultural distresses %%mid hate been ten time, greater than they were. But thee there wets together etolllieleration--14 ae this high price likely to continuer o:tlees for clothine 100 or 110.000 men acre now executing in "fie Vuileshire market, and certainly influenced the plies AY lieu those orders wets' finished, yodel uny person entopole that the high price. by which whole districts bud been literally kept any e, moiler the pre-sure of L eiteral ugriculiitrul distress, w (mid contems so tiivoarable to t h u'r counties as they had pre viously been? Or were they tot rather to belie% e, that, by and prime of must article would fall, in proportion as every other lotteries of prodece was reduced in value? Important ets this branch of the subject was, they had nut investigated it fat all.- They hod not, in the course vt their impertial coasider- Ation of tins euojeet, examined a rilugle wool-grower—the whole evidence was that of ti tee!-sta piers and woollen tuentifactitrers.— This was acting in a manuer wholly ex puree. Ilia moon for stating his sentimeitts at the preseut moment was, because, from the manlier in a hick the Report was drawn up, he felt a SHOW( disposition to prevent its being laid on the table• in order, if the tot nee of the Donee would permit, to have it re ferre d back to the Cominittee,to eneble them to discharge more ful:v the duty that had been confided to them. Mr. Ceeeasrr considered the present discussion irregular . , because the merits of the Report were not yet before the Utilise. His Learned Friend (Mr. Brougham) had held ex traordinary language, as to the conduct of the. Committee, anal Lad laid down extraordinary rules for the guidance oe Com meittees• in fientral.—tie said, u Committee ought to nu matter whether such an examination appeared to be iteces eery or not, every part of every subject refereed to them. He, on the contiary, would maintain, that there was a discretion given to every Committee, to ineestigate it subject us far as, in their own judgments, they might dc•ciii necessarry, and they were not bound to proceed an inch further. He was con :viewed, alien the House saw the !apart, and the evidence on which it was founded, aide,' his Learned Friend treated as if it were no evidence, they would be of opinion, that the Com mittee had encouraged a ;test and fair iuve•sigation of the sub. Ject, and had gone us far as the necessity of the case ',maned to require. Before he went Mei that Committee, he tilt s. lonely against the agitation , nf the goestion at all ; and what was Ilk glow& in the course of the inquiry, rendered this opinion, that this was the worst moment diet could possibly be selected for di:nothing the system by which the woollen trade was regii• liced, still more ilecided. Lord el irrne concurred in a great part of what had falleu from the Hon. Gentleman who load last spoken. Mr. haulier: coincided in the opinion of the Committee. No necessity existed fur altering the s relating to the wool .len bade. Mr. Tnonesoe applauded the conduct of the Committee in su..king a speedy snort, which would leant to allay the agita tion created throughout the country, by the consideratiou of the question. The CH eecgzeon of the EXCHEQUER considered the present TEEterME, Arnie 30. discussion as extremely premature. It aas an extraordinary Sir F. Beane - re presented petition from IO,SOO inhabitants course of proceeding to debate on the contents of a Report, of of Iristui ~ Ipraying for t Melanie:Mary Reform ; the petition a hick, not has leg been received, the House could know was ordered to lie on the table, but no observations whatever mottling. were made upon it. Sir JAMES GRAHAM defended the course adopted by the A collo:creation arose upon the projected Waterloo Moon- Clannettee. tin time first day of their meeting, it was dis ment, the probable expellee of whieu was enquired by Air. tinetly stated, that the wool-growers should come forward Tierney. to sliew she necessity of an alteration in the law, but not on t The CHANCELLOR of the Excmeecen was unable to say of them appeared. It was then suggested by Gentlemen lio what would be the amount of expellee ' as at present the de wow bound fault with the eruceedings of the Committee, that situ even was nut determined upon bu t as far as private opi the woolataplers world be the best evidence. They were. Mutt went, the sum was likely to be from 3 to 400,00 iii. accordingly called Hi and examined ; and nothing was yet Mr. Tit:Keel thought that if only a couple of col ttttt ns were offered, in contravention of their evidence. It was, therefore, to be raised, one for Waterloo, and the ether fur Trafalgar, an attempt to impose on the House, to assert, that no evidence I°o,oool. would be sufficient. was hefo: e the Committee. Mr. H eastenssav recommended the building of a Cathe- Sir J. N I:wiener said, that no evidence, on the part of the drat —The subject here dropped. agriculturalists, %vele examined. Lord STANLEY said, the Cmumittee was in existence before LORD COCHRANE'S CHARGES AGAINST LORD EL- Easter ; and.ctonsequentle ,it was in the power of the. agricul- LEN BOROLG H. muralists to adduce any evidence they utieht think proper. It Lord COCHRANE moved, that the charges which he had pre was not a question with re: pert merely to agriculture, but one emoted to the Hoene against the Lord Chief' Jiistoce of the of general pnlicy—and the Committee ft It it to be their duty King's Bench be taken into consideration by a Committee of to enquire how for, by an alteration 111 the woollen laws, the the whole House. He observed, that this was a qmestion eonntry could be benefited. They foetid, so far from the which was not to be decided by ingenious arguments or ele growers of wool suffering any distress under the present system, tiotnt reasonine, but sionaly, upon a plain coucatenation of that they were all perfectly satisfied with their prices, which tarts; mid the House owed it injustice to the parties iumeedi were higher now then they had been fur many y ears. No ease ately implicated, to give it the must serious and patient loves having been made out, to show that the agrsculturalists load a tigation. He declared himself able to prove every charge by eight to complain of the preeent pi ices ut wool, the 1111 l twee each evidence as could not be resisted. He would prove, that thought it was most prudent not to Meddle aOh the existing injustice was done to him on the ti ial; and again, in the re laws, And to close their proce, hugs as stem us possible ; lest by fusal of the Court to grant a new trial, when he urged that an injudicious late& renee they inieht seriously lejurd the several farts, most immanent in themselves, were not produced woollen trade. in Court when the cause Was tried. He them moved -" That Mr. FINDLAY was of opinion that the committee acted the articles of 4:beiges against the Lord Chief Justice of the properly in closing their pi (Wet clings as wall as possible. King's Bench, of partiality, misrepresentation, injustice, and law Revd was then brought up, and the Remittent/a was oppression, in the trial of Lord Cochrane, be referred to a reed as follows : Committee attic whole House." " Reeolved ThJe it is the opinion of this Committee, found- Mr. Law (son of Lord Elletiboroegli), In opposing the mo ea on the ut es ideeee melatise to the prices of tion, contended, that. notwithstanding tile long auemion which Br;:ish wool, that no i'art of the agricultinal distresses arise the Noble Lord had been paying to this subject, and in spite it the inasictlaiwY of whose prices—end lberef"re it Inn of all his glosses, there was nut one colourable charge among expedient to make any alteration in the laws 'coating to the them all. He would not insult the House by a long examine woollen trade." non of the imputations against the Noble Judge. The minion Oa the qtiestion " that this Report be laid on t h e table, " could not be acceded to, unless the House were disposed IIdr.THOUNTON said, %hell he 1% as al/Paint" on the Com- proty cr. friend and legalize conspiracy. Ile a 01.1 , 1 heave the climacter of the Chief.lustice with confidence to the lienee, place a .11 addito.nal duty ten the snittee, lie was anxious to Importation of foreign wool ; but the ev idetwe which had been trusting that it would give the negative of indignation to the examined e ntire!y altered his view un the subject. motion. Mr. F. Lewis said, hr had, in the Co immtee, propolted a Mm. Pottemsnv said, on a former occasion lie had thmigh ditty of 3d. per lb. mi foreign amd i mpor t e d. Ter, t ie in g dins the facts ciente:toed with this bei•oness but sufficient to jetedly iinctly negatived, he conceited it was uttely useless tut hum to the expulsion of the Noble Lord from that House, and he still stove any proposition of a similar nature. tleinglit so. Hut these considerations were not conucclud with Mr, iti t ootatiArd said, the Report appeared to him to be of the pre-scot question. which was a lion on the imputed min. So little value, that lie doubted whether it was atoll the conduct of the Lord Chief Justice of the King'e Beech. he voted terrier of printing —lt consisted of a tittuBm, and a Sou could find no ground for the present charges. sequitur. First, it set forth, that the agi ienbei et distresses The Attorney and Solicitor (Jeuela $ also opposed the me lee% e not occasioned by the prices of wool—no Person having dun at considerable length. ever said they were — it twine agre ed on all hands, that they Sir F. Bee I)ETT was of opinion, that sufficient gru 1111 l 1 existeu all toiled relief, instead of doing injury; and then an inferenee for entci tairtilig: the clier-es„ era , d r awn, allich was any thing rather than a legitimate de- Mr. li %IMAM espeessed an opinion that the House cool. deietioo—nanwly, that, because, at the present time, the prier% nut receive. the a lisiges, yet lie believed the Solite Lord limo. e t . cool were not low, there was, therefore, no necessity for CPO. fle had entertained that belief, and nutlet% halt Staking any alteration in the woollen laws. To legislate tinder occurred to make him change it. the House rejected the motion; the Aye. M ike yr. Wane of daficulties was erieueuus (ranch was die only O n a division, objection that could be uttered against a revision of the usury laws)—but now, a hen the market wee in a flourishing state. was the proper time for remedying any detect in the woollen laws, instead of waiting until the trade was depressed. Alter a few obsery :Ohms from Id r..Thoroton, Lord 'Ascetics, Lord !dawn, and Mr. Caleraft, the Report with its Appendix were ordered to lie on the table, and to be printed. Sir ti. Rini.xv desire d to be informed, respecting the ae coracy of a statement that come to his knowledge--namely, whether several iillicti s coaneeteal with die Itritish army now stationed in France, had not received very extended leave eft absence, inconsistent with their professional duty. In one iiistance, he understood that some gentlenien were permitted to go to Goilege to prosecute their studies; v. Wist another, a Major. was actually now engaged in the tom of Europe, in company with a young Solilenian. Lord PALMtIieTOM said, that the power of giving leave of absence was not compiled with his department; conseiinent ly he could not answer directly to the proposed question. Perhaps, however, when the Hon. Baronet spoke of somegen femen being permitted to prosecute their globes at College— he meant tile Military College. Sir M. Homey replied, that he distinctly understood that some had gone to We University of Or.ford, and others to Caul bridge. Mr. PEEL observed, that the discussion on a former evening, relative to the 0:1:ce of the Clerk of the Pleas of the Exchequer in Ireland, having apprised the House of the object of the measure lie intended to intioduee for regulating it, it was on necessary for him to enter into a detailed statement respecting it. it was a 'natter of nutoriety, that the office had become vacant by the death o‘the Larl of Beiekinaliamshire; and that the House bad previously resolved, on such an event, to make that oiliee a subject ut inquiry. When the Earl of Bucking• hamsbire died, litany questions had been pea in that House re lative to the intentions of the Irish Government respecting the office; and lie (Mr. Peel) had distinctly stated, mat he would immediately carry lino efiect the w ashes of the House. Since that time the Chief Baron of Me toad of Exchequer in Ireland had arrogated the power of nominating to the office; the principal and deputies were sworn iii, in the Court of Ex chequer, and were now actually in iittice. Ile did not mean to interfere in the question by legislative measures, Wit should leave it to be tried by the proper tribnual, the courts of law. As. however, great delay must arise in dutermiteng the pies• don, as the emoluments of the offices were very great. and the le gality of the fees ettreniely donbtful, it became a question, how the pmfits should in the inierini he disposed of. It' the Crown were to appoint a person to the office, as that per son could be named for the sole purpose of tiyhig the right, be ought to receive none of the teas. There might, how .. er, be no necessity for such an appointment ; as proceedings had been instituted against the Chief Baron's appointment, to decide the right as soon as possible. His trivet. the was, to impound the fees of the offices, anal to compel the persons to account for them every quarter; leaving to the Irish Govern ment a discretionary power of making any compeusai ion they might thilik proper to those who fold/ the etnties of the offices. lie was aware that a epiestion might ariscas to the propriety of iiiterfering with a sested right-4 Cries of Ito, Pio! ) —hut its the le;,ality of the fees ss;s very qiie.stionable, he did not think that such an objection could be mole in the present instance. The Right lion. Gentleman concluded by moving for leave to bring in u Bill for securing the profits of the office of Clerk of the Pleas of the Exchequer in Ireland, while the right of the possession was litigated; which, utter some discussion, was granted.—Adjourned. MAY 6. 'listing merely of the Noble Lord stud Sir F. Burdett, and the Noes of n 7 ; aud, On the motion of Mr. Ponsonhy, it was re. solved to expunge the Articles of Charge fruit the Laid Cochrane, un this motion, übserved, that, ..s none of his charges were refuted, posterity would judge of them, inde. pendent of the opinion of that House; and he pledged Irroirlf to bring the business forward year after Year, awl uu all occa• sinus. WEDNEPPAY, MAY 1. SeVCrill petitions were presented agai❑+t the Leather Tax; also front the land-owners in respect to agricultural distreivies ; and from the Cuunty of Essex, against the Insuis ent. Debtors' Act. Mr. lAlratrow Mated his intention to brine the subject of Lotteries Louse the consideration of Parliament. Mr. C. WYNNE submitted a motion to the Goose, whether the appointment of Sir T. Thompson to the 'Treasurership of Greenwich Hos,sital vacated his seat in Parliament.—Mr. Makes moved the previous question ; which was carried cam a division, ti.S against 47, BANK RESTRICTION. Mr. HORN en moved for a Melect Committee to he appointed, to inquire into the necessity of renewing the Bill for continuiug the restrictions oat the cash payments by the Bank of England. The Hon. Gentleman observed,thitt the noilerstainlingcome to, it, respett to the Bank of England, was. that on the restoration of peace, cash payments should huutedittety be resumed. In. stead of ibis, the itt. lion. Gentleman hail desired the rniewal of the Bill fur two years ; thus giving a doubt of his sincerity with respect to the pledge held out previous to the termination of the war. It WAS now, for the first tune in a period of peaci , proposed to continue the restriction for two years. It could not be dented, that *great redaction had taken place during the last year hi the circulation of paper. This had iu a great med. sure arisen from the a gricialturaidist res., the redite lion °feint:dry bands, anal country WA: paper; besides which, it also appear ed, from the papers before the Mouse, that a reduction had taken place iii the circulation of Bank of England paper. These, lie contended, were circumstances favourable to a retririi of cash payments. 'I he inconvenience which had occurred from a continuance of the restrictions during a time of war had been great; but what would be (heeds/Jets of continuing them in time of peace, and destroying the standard for a ppieriating the 'm ine of money ? The iiimitvenieatee would ammiut to the gicatest siva to the agriculturist, who was ruined by a fluctuation of price and value, which must always be the re•ailt of a paper circula tion. Goal had now taller to neat the Matt lance. There was nu importation of corn—an exchanges against us ; and therefore no tittle more favourable fur the proposition email ever in ill! . „ opinion exist. As to tht best mode o f resismiug these paymens*, he would suggest that the Bank should pay their different •- serlptUtnr el wiles in cash at different times ; for instance, that after the lst of January next, the Batik should pay all notes of oue pianist In cash ; six months after, their two-timid ewes ; and at a period of six months aßer.tiveyonnd untis, and so en. One other subject he bail to advert to, and that was the state of the silver coina;te ; hut unless the standaid value of the cites hating ',minion was rendered stationary, it would be in vain to issue any new silver coinage. The Hon. Gentleman observed, it would be idle fur the House to attempt to deceive itself--it' the measure now proposed were not carried, cash payments would never be resumed. He would, therefore, now move for a Comniittee to enquire into the ewedieney of reounang cash payments by the Bunk, and the hest mode of doing so. Mr. VAN , ITTS RT could not agree, that an extension of re striction now would be extension for ever. It would be neces sary (hut the Bank should have time to prepare for the resump tion of their cash payments; and that they should, previous to commencing cash payments generally, make aneh issues urrash as might in some degree satisfy the desire of the public for gold. Another precaution would also be neeesaary; namely, to extend for some time protectiou to the Bank of England notes in the paymeuts of Government. 1 ith respect to theareument which had been advanced by the lion. Gentleman, that the price of the articles of life hail &wen raised by the increase of paper cir culation, in Isis opinion, the contrary was the fact, and that the rise of price had increased the circulation. It was the decrease of price which had decreased the circulation of country bank paper. The Rt. Hon. Gentleman then contended, that the price of corn did not, as had been contended, operate to affect the price of gold ; since at one period of last winter, when emu was filling in value, gold was rising. in price. %I di respect to extending the period of t. .e restriction for two years, he consi dered it would be better to propose two years with:some degree of certainty, then ene year with no certainty ; especially • as the Bullion Committee had named two years after a peace, as the earliest probable time at which such a measure could be safely adopted. Upon those grounds he opposed the appointment of a Committee. Mr. MANNING declared it to be the most anxions wish of the Bank Directors to be enabled to retorts to cash-payments ; yet they were friendly to this Bill, because they could not give any security fur resuming them in less than two years. The House then divided—For the motion 73—A gainst it 146 — Majority against the motion 73—Adjourned till Friday. FRIDAY, Matra. _ _ Mr BROUGHAM said, he understood that in March, May, RIO August, of the last year, circular letters were sent rotund to the Surveyors of Taxes, directing them to send complete copies of the returns of every person to the Assessml and Pro perty Taxes to the Board di axes. • What was the object of this order he could not say; hut be had since been intiwoutd, that another en eular was sent, on the 17th of April last, near a. month after the tout hgd died by a decision 01 that House, re quiring another similar full and ample return. This could answer nu other purpose than to expose•the private affairs individuals. 't he Hon. Gent. then moved for copies of ad cir culars written by the Board of Taxes in Mardi, May, and August, 1814 ; and in April 11316, to the Surveyors of Taxes in tun ditlereut districts. Mr. Vasserraar had no objection to the motion ; flue Hen. Glut. must be aware that these returns were necessary to re gulate the business at due Other. Mr. linnuottass could not consider them necessary, except as a record to be kept in the Tax-otlice, open to all the Clerks in that office, of a hit was the property of et ery man in the Isitugulont in the year ISt6. limpre,sed aith that opinion, he shound un an early day submit a motion to the House, the pur port of which wsuld be, that all these impels should lie ile,trey IA as etli cmalty and as spoedity as pussiule.-a-The motion Cal then agreed to. ADDRESS TO THE PRINCE REGENT. Lord CAsTr.ett EACH wise Notice, that heshoofd on Thom. day 'dove a congratulatory Address to the Plaice It. gent on the mart 'age of Ins dangnieo. Mr. W. Wv hrIL tiitiiigltt it photild have been moved Si...larder. THE CIVIL 1.19 T. Lord CAST!. F.R 11101ftLthe Order of the Day for taking into With, me Report of the Civil List. The Noble Lord entered into a variety of statements; and ting tim formation of a system, winch, in point of tact, does I