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■ r• THE NATIONAL REGISTER 59 Mr. CUKTEIS asked whoa the Tomtit, Aot Asooodistot Bill might be expected ? Mr. F. LEWIS replied, tbatit woold bo ready to be pre seated in a fortnight. Mr. HUTCHINSON sup the the original motion. He had nesse seen any good resat from the appointment of coin mittees of inquiry--they generally reported d,and their reports ended in nothing. The gallery was then cleared. and Mr. Macdonald's amend ment was negatived without a divi Amu The house thee divided on Mt. liume's motion. Foe the motion, 7:7—Against it.200..-Majority, The other orders were disposed of, and the house adjournel eleven o'clock. THURADEY. FEB. 20. Mr. Brown, Warden of the Fleet, presented returns of the number of Prisoners committed to the Fleet Primo, pursuant to previous order. The Thames Navigation anneal accounts were presented. Various petitions against the Insolveat Deliturs' Act were presented from Leominster, Haddersfiehl, Beverley, Black born, &c. Mr. H. DAVIS presented • petition from St. Stephen's, Bristol, praying for the repeal of the House and Window Tax. Mr. Alderman WOOD moved for returns of the persons discharged from the King's Beach, Fleet, and other within the bills of mortality, during the last four years, anti the solos for which they were discharged.—Ordered. Lord C. MANNERS presented • petition from Linton,Cam hridgeshire, complaining of Agricultural Distress, bet at the sane time expressing perfect aeliance um the wisdom of that House as sow constituted. Such religion* had induced the pe- Slimier* to abstain irons attending the meeting at Cambridge. Ordered to lie on the table. Mr. II IiTCHIN3ON presented • petition from Upper lad Lower Oriuonde, County of Tipperary, praying fer an altera tion of the coroners' Act of last Sturm. Mr. BENS C (Wilts) observed, that the Turnpike Act bad bees much misunderstood, sad presented petitions from two places in Wiltshire, praying for au alteration of such act. Ordered to he primed. Lord DUNCA N NON presented petitions from Waltrip, com plaining of the Hawkers' and Pedlar/6% and of the Insolvent Debtors' Act.—Om dared to be printed. Mr. MAXWELL presented Atetiticto from Reafrew, eons plaining of Agricultural Distress. Sir T. Lsrii BRIDGE expressed his approbation of the pe tition, sad said the Agriculturists required sad wars milled to relief. It weed to We point in issue ; various *lasses were set against each other ; and he trusted the pinkies would be read by the whole House. Without respect to the question of agriculture, he eould not but think that the Ministers would yet see the necessity of doing something foe those interests. Lord. A. HAMILTON also spoke of the latest of the evil, and asked, if the present state of agriculture eoutiatted, whe ther there was any chance of avoiding the extirpation of the lower orders of the farming interests'—Petition ordered to be printed. Mr. BROUGHAM asked whether them was any troth in the alarming rumour that was prevalent Mere and in Fresco, that the Brest Pleet had sailed with sealed orders ? Mr. CURTEIS presented a petition front hop-planters of Binglield, Sussex, praying a repeal of the dusty. Mr. RICARDO inured fur ass account of t h e quantity of gold imported into the Miut Prow January 1622, to January Din—Ordered. Mr. C. H. HUTCHINSON, in preseating a petition, said *hat the Chancellor of the Eschequer, ius withdrawing the Salt Drawback, &e. had considerably injured the Provisioe Trade of Ireland. The petition required, that the drawbacks should he restored. The withdrawing of such drawback had effected the provision trade of Ireland, without benefitting any other classes or interests. The petitioners prayed the continuance of the Is. drawback. so long as may part of the duty existed. Sir J. NEW PORT said, be had *amidst petitions to present. He also observed, that while England and Scotland had been relieved by the alteration of the Salt Tax, Ireland had derir.ci sro sdrautale. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER observed, that it was hardly to be expected that so much benefit could Ire given to the empire, without injuring the peculiar trade of • partieular part of [reload. The subject merited consdenttiou, and it would give him isfirite satisfactioe to agree to regula tions restoring to the provision trade of Ireland the advantages taken away by the Anis of last Semioe. There was, however, , a dilimelty in one of the articles of Union. The Petition was read, and ordered to lie on the fable. Mr.ICALVILLIY preseuted a petition front the inhabitants of Southwark, awmplaining of heavy Saxes, and various other grievances, and prayiug for the repeal of the Soptamial Act of the Assessed Tasen, and for reform generally. Sir IL WILSON with great pleasere supported the petition. Tne petitioners felt, that this country Gould only regain its strength by means of reform, and this they deemed to be the more accessary when they beheld as daring a conspiracy as w►as ever formed against public liberties. Mr. CALVERT saidie hail been desired be more, that this ;petition be referred to a committee of the whole house, instead of requirintr that it should be laid on thetable, where it would metier be heard of more ; bat as there was a motion consented with the subject likely to be wade at am distast slay, hesboold fee the present move that it do lie ea the table. Ordered to lie on the table, and to be printed. Ur. IIEATHCOTE presented a petition from Boston, spriest the Insolvent Debtors Act, which stated, that the • debts released aainented to 11,000, 00 0 L, while the dividends were only 60,0001.—Ordered to be pt Pas' snarea.Lord NORM ARMY wished to kaow whe ther any steps bad been take., t oersuant to the address of the inmse,to reduce t►e office of the accost Postmaster ? Mr. PELL replied, that one very material alteration had taken place—no ado., bad been granted since the resolution of the below. ORDNANCE DEPARTMENL—Mr. HUME rose to bring for ward his motion respeoing the Lieutenant-General of the Ordnance. The military commission had been extremely well appointed, and the reports that Beard had made ineritirdetten eion—they were made i• 1511. They examined the several departments of the Ordnance-office, and slated, that within the last few year% the salaries of the several offine.s had been con oiderably increased, in general one third and ape ards. The duties of the several officers were next examined, and it war found that many of theta were neglected. The Surveyor G - nerd and the Clerk of the Deliveries we longer pettier.. ed hte autles which originally belonged to them. The Comtuu.sioners recommended that there shoald be a Board, as wort toe wise ..t :the Admiralty, &r. They then particularly enquired as to Co duties of the Lieutenant-Peneral i and it was friend tb..t snub olieer bad no duty. 'sculpt attending the Board,•ibuultl the •. Pilaster-General not be absent. There lied been no alter.u•is -of the offices. The opinions of the reports were clear enough, recommending the suppression of the offices isfolieutenant-ge -metal and his two clerks. It was reenarkable4bat the viten!' Master-General had been absent three or fourteenths end that there was no Lieutenant-G en eral, The reports were against the contiottance of the office, as fornaisg Ito essential part of the Board. His complaint was, that scarcely any of the re ,ementendations of the commission had been carried into *Got, end thelsestimenow was, whether there should be Eve coot missistrers *ben few were deemed 'memory 1 Were more -eoinmissioisers wanted here them wave required for the navy ? :/f 'the vote respecting the two extreLords of the Admiralty last Sesrion were right, his presmst complaint would be sup. ported. The Navy Commissioners cost 40001. while the Ord velum Board east 09501. -If the Lieutenant General of the Drdoance had bees redeeei, the-salary of Li9ol would have been saved; so that the difference between the expense of the we Boards woeld have been not ao great. After the promises -of the King's Speech, and the recommendations of the Re ports, it was en insult to tbevParliasnent and the People to ;wake this appointment width' St hours of the meeting ol• that House—.( Cita. the House were in earnest in desiring that no expenditure should be eat:enraged, except what was reprisite to the digailyaed service of the country, they would support Isis motion.—lt was Ibe most extravagant establish meat—the Irish establishments excepted. and it might to be out down. Mr. Crewe, the Secretary, fur instance. bad 1;500I. a yesr, and a house that cost 1,2001. a year. He did nut blame Mr.-Crewe ; be was right in getting as much as he amid—but they were to blame why gave it. Other abuses: were, -that individuals were appointed to this Department, and sent to Madrid and oilier places. There were injustices to the smisinlry-; but there wss no departtneut that required so - much hilskiag after so the Ordnance Department. lie alms oow plained of the two Establishments at Pall-Mall and the Tower ; they oaght to be brought under one head ; for persons had been paid .` travelling expenses" to go from one office to the other, and twelve or fourteeu clerks to carry on a correspondence between the two offices. ( Hear! ) There was so end of the multiplication of expenses. The recommendations of the Reports had been wholly neglected. It was necessary, in his of 'on, for the /louse to express a decided opinion on the subject ; lie therefore moved that the appointment of Lord Bereaford, hs time of pease, was incentistem with the reeens • meudations of the Commissioners of Euquiry, at variance with the professions of economy, and made without due regard to the situation of the country.—(Lard cheers.) Mr. WARD replied, contending that the hon. member hal misrepresented the Report; that the Commissioners of Inquiry, in their Report, had misrepresented the evidence on which they proeeeded (hear); and that the alterations in the Board recently lisd rendered further changes uni.eciewary. The right hon. gent. (Mr. Ward) gave his strong and decided negativt to the motion. Mr. W 11.1.1 A MS, of Lincoln, strongly supported the motion. Mr. CANNING contended, that all the sta:ements of the bon. nieinber were unfounded and erroneous. —...—. - Mr. JAMES MACDONALD suggested, that the limper mode of proceeding would be to appoint a committee to inquire into the propi iety of abolishing this office. and the‘bon. member pmpcsed Me an amendment to the wows. ............ Sir G. CL 4RK replied, that to ietimatioa on such subject ' had reached the Admiralty. 1 Mr. BROUGHAM said he wu glad tones: thus math. He bad called the rumour alarming, because It multi have been a cireuamtanee calceluted to interrupt the peace of the world ; it was lot alarming u elected this couatry, for England, ' thank God! had nothing to fear from the sailiag of the Brest fleet. Lard &HAMILTON asked whether there wu any thing is rm. , t of time, whether there wax uny thing is the °Scam .ta me., to prevent him from agitating the Tomah's of Mr. BesvriNg's Imprisonment. I hie. CANNING replied, that in paint of time, there was se ; ohiceties ; it world be for the aohle Lord to energise his die. j cut (Mu whether ether cireeinstaisees would warrant the agita- 110110 any snob gaestion at the present moment. PA RLIA M ENTA geTUR P48.—.1.0111 J. RUSSELL ram to move for a Committee to aswertain what were the Charters, imr -pursuant to which Members were returned ; and be was sur prised to learn that such motion was to be resisted. Other similar motions had been agreed to, and why was this to be opposed 1 Lard A. Hamilton had granted him a list of the voters of Scotland ; Mr. Bennett had procured the relates of Ws Members who held offices ; and in the Lords Were bed bees JiCeinwaithie respecting dm dignity of a Peer. Lord Redes dele, he believed, had drawn up the reports, which were re markable far every thing but their acentraey.—(A - lough.)—As so much bad been divulged, why was be 10 rallied ! The information he required by this stoshioa was generally known ; bat be wished it to be know.' more accurately. Jogerioes re ports were celesta:tett Aoelfect the chart:stir of . the Rouse; and it was requisite to slow how far the motion for Reform: was or was sot warranted. Were the, afraid that the compositioe of the House should It. known t---(Jlest.)—Heretsfore the opponents of Reform had taken higher ground ; bat be felt se amed that he should knee We support of every independent man is the House.—(afar, hear.)—He ceetsleded with mew jag for a Select Committee. M.. CANNING said, in opposing this Notice, be should not be drawn into the larger question. He was against it, be cause, if it were seqtrieseed in, it would be inferred that se mach progress had been made in Reform. The motion would he Sinai tyrannical end arbitrary. What right had they hi call for the Charters of °treading Corporations 1 been had bees nothing like it since the reign of James 11. whew the Charters were called in and esamined,—Did they recd lent, that in those 'Charters much property depended ; wed did they went to give Attorneys, who might hay, so occupstion, end who bad a do lling 4. enquiry, some occupation. Lard J. RUSSELL did not desire the .prodactiao of the Meier*. Mr. CANNING said, without the Charters, he did not see how accurate information could be-obratned. As to the Bo roughs, Old scrum, &c. he was ready to admit all the Noble Lord wished to assume ; and col:tinning to hold the same opi nions on the subject of Parliamentary Reform, he was prepared to maintain, that the Hoeft, as conatitated, was best ►oiled to the pnrposes for which it existed : the oheu A to could not be effected without occasioning dangers which it is not worth while to run. The close boroughs were admitted—the small slumber of the electors were admitted ,'therefore, se far at admission and concession went, the Noble Lord had all that he could require. The question could not be granted without raising enquiries respecting Charters, which world be prejudicial. Under all We circumstances, he mass resist We mik,. Mr. ABERCROB BY said, that the opposition which had been urged, imaginary as it was, had hardly surprise.' luau. The at objection was imaginery ; the second was much ex aggerated. It was imaginary to suppose that the people would inter by the grantin4 or this motion, that the question of Re• furni was about to be entertained by that House. They had got like returns respecting Scotland—bat had any body thence inferred that the Reform of Scotland, its burghs, &o. was nearer at band. If the public would draw such infereeo.. supposing the motion to hr granted, it we* proof, which se believed to be the ease, tont there was a I,,..i.inponilieu no , .~.~~ MMllli widish did not exist before, to enteral, the mithetha ei Reform . It was farther true, that if the motion were granted, it might induce many to look at the question of Reform is a way that they bad before viewed it. motion could be wily ad duced. If the elution were granted, however, he doubted not that it would flatly serve the ultimate question of Referee —(llene,)—and if the inane were refused, would not every sums ask himself—Whet! are the House of COllllUOOb so afraid of hash% their composition known, that they refuse eveu such preliminary enquiry t—(Cheers.), Mr. PEEL said, that the to gutsiest. of his eight hon. friend bad not been weakened. If an argument were to be founded on the small numbers, supposing the allegations were coeceded, what more could be required t As to the precedent, there was nous. What similar Committee had been required, respecting Scotland? —(Kent.)--'file lumina would prejudice that dis • cotillion of the Reform gumshoe which was about to take place. Lord J. RUSSELL said, be was kept to precedent for Soot land '! Returns," not a Committee were required ; bat if the Government would consent to Returns, he would abandon Isis motion fur a Committee.—( Deo", hear.) Mr. PEEL replied, thst when the Returns were moved for, he should be prepared to express his opinion of it. Mr. CREEVEY spoke ut favour of the motion, coatesdiag that the House bad jest as much rise: to the Retorts as to the Population Returns. Because the Minister *hose to eateses his opinioo against it, the House were not to have the informs. Lion; but would not that be as extraordinary reason for re. fusing the motion I Because the Minister chose to say, he would concede this information or that trot, were the Huese to be contented without more specific information? Seth Samosa- Sea would be most useful, and it was necessary, for now the boroughs were regularly bought end sold is open day, and that by peers. The philosophical inemba.--fis iongh)—:-for Beduin (Mr. D. Gither9 had only the other day—he spoke from the Papers—heeded over a borough of freemen to a noble par, sad that peer west down to take possession of them as he would of his e.tate.—(Dear earl huighter.)—He thought it would not be creditable to the House to resist this modes. Lord MILTON supported the motion, maintaietag that the Retires ought to be accompanied with waste of the direct miaow of the Boroughs. The Gallery was tilt a cleared for a division— A ves 99--Noes 128—Majerity against it $B. The other orders of the day having bees disposed of, the House adjourned. FRIDAY, FES. 21. Col. WHITT, for the County of Dublin, and three other members, took the oaths and their seats. Mr. Louglamts prorated the anal waste of the ladia Dock Company. The Camelia Commissioners' Accounts were presented. The required Re t free the Fleet, Kisig's Reath, deo. of pursues diseuarged (rem that taws for debt. Osdered to lie os the table. Thai being the last day for receiving petiticea for private bills, a good many were presented. A ism Writ was ordered fur Riegel*, is the them of I. R. Cox, Esq. who bad accepted the Chats/. Hundreds' &tossed ship. Sir E. KNATCHBULL. in preseatieg pathless, asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer if be had say stormiest to a am mitts. of Enquiry, particularly into the dillicelties of the bap trade ? Those severities were groat. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER replied. he was amt prepared to sive an ef-bend answer—thee I. did sot see the orroessity of such special investigatioe ; bet that the best course would be to move fen ash a Committee, if it were deemed neeessary. Sir E. ENATCHRULL said, that if those relief were net aliorda, however pada! to himself, he should feel it his dusty to call the attention of the House to the subject. He then prthealed severe petitions from hop growers, Sts. in Kent. Mr. PRICE primates' the Hereford Polities;--it war mewed by Mr. Chestiest which had bees earried—it was not that of Mr. Cobtoth Mr. Charlton's willies load been supported by many of the astoreary (needs of Miaisters ; end he felt, with the petitiowers, that it was requisite so de smathiag fee the relief of the consitry, and of agriculture in partialse. He hod no hesitation in pronoueciag this to be the :patios of the county. The petition was reed at length.—Ordered to be piloted. Lord MILTON presented a petition frees Skeilath rut the re. o peal of the Insolvent Debtors' Act. Lord FOLKSTON E . presented, muscat to Wiese, a petition from a Mr. Thompson, which be considered ao important that he should move for a Committee. The petitioner sad his father bad bees wine merchants, and had realised coosiderable pro perty. In 1811 an estate was proaheaod in Hertfordshire to the amount of 62,0001. paying down 5,0001. but the tide being objected to, the business west into Chancery, where it twain ed till 1819, the weeder is the mean time receiving the rents.— The decisive was favourable to the vender, bet the purchaser had set then the mans to pay. He paid !Wrest, in all shoat 18,9001. and though he could ant get mere than 20,0001. for it, be was called on to fulfil the purr:base. To do so would ruin him, compelling the sate of estates, as the meant would be 72,0001.; end yet the ruin would met be the conseqoenee of any tat of his own. The purchaser was not a rash speculator acts cording to all be could learn, and whet remedy 000111 be afford ed be would not now state.—Petition ordered to be piloted. The Hoes. went into a Committee of Supp ly. Sir J. OSBORN moved the Navy Estimates. Us aboold call for 25,000 instead of 21,000 men ; the nrcesaity for such increase wets the additional "service is the West ladies, Medi terranean, tia lie moved the grant of SLOW tees fur t h e Navy. Mr. BROUGHAM dld-not rise to object to the vote, indeed he was surprised that the vote was nut for a larger member of seamen. He said thus mach on account of the alarming aspect of Foreign affairs. He knew that they were not precluded from moving an additional number of men, should circumstances equire it; but he was fearful that Governments abroad might inter that they were now positively naming the number for the year. Mr. CANNING expressed his acknowledgments for the manner in whicit the levrned gentleman bed come forward. The vote no more limited the stil•jcm, than it limited the capacity of the country.—But he will sore that store (rolls him would not Ire desired. Dtscuriion could nut dos more good thew it had done. He felt assured of the resources of the country. should eircummanees require them. especially oolong as public credit was maiutained. Resolution agreed to.—Report no Monday. THE BUDGET. The House went into a Committee of Wave an Means. The CRANCELIOR of the EXCHEQUSU said le bad voluntarily undertaken the office which be now.lilted t sad spoke in high terms of the integrity and talent of hii prqde (tenor. He should have occasion for the indulgence of this Committee, and doubtless he should have it. He should est ( For eumeinusii.As see rape b..) • +-ASV - ' P t! .1 A bat the ely lad Pi, 44 ek a—