The National Register. — London, England, 1811-01-06 00:00:00

8 'finI , grWrIONAIii . IREGISTER. into tf' e of cert..in persons, tend to raisean,ther party in t'l;! Lord concluded ,by moving as an .ii.•••lditwat, that' all the words in the original motion, from the " remove" to tile words, " time Jeresaid" includeu, be and the foltoi,ving ir-:••rt?d in their stead, " together sole direction of portion of his Majesty's house •.' stud! be thought requislie for the due attendance on his . • 'or the sepport of his Royal dignity." `..4 - ,:nilment Was Sl:prOrted i•y Mr. H. MARTIN, who •,' 113.•Allthe House had now to consider, was the comfort • Viuj. ,y, an.' 'Jot supporting a splendour which he could •_••t py. There was a Court already established ; and, in time: like the pr..:sent, he c)iild not consent to the people being burtlienid with anotii , .r eit...l.lishment for the Reg nt. TVIr. G. JOHNSTON followed on the same side of the ques -6,11. _ • Mr. H. Anoisin roN was in favour of the resolution, with some modific.,tions. Lord IVitt . i ON 3:lid the resolution went to separate influence r frok the Chief Magistrate, ai:d tl,. 'Court from th e (I,A-em inent and evtn to create' an intioeure which might hereafter be e:«10A1 against the Go , . , !rnment. The Rh :lit Hcn. Gentlzman had talked of the bad precede i!* of placing such power in the hands of the Rego..., on groin:ds that it n iptit hereafter fall • into :lanes of a I)%d Regent. Why was not the Right Hon. Gemkman equally careful •If establishing a preo•dent which might hez•eafte r place the power in the hands of bad aid ambi tions niteens ? . !r. SynNir.:4, Mr. WILBF.RFORCE and Lord I) SART, de fended tiv• n•iofution and Sir SAMULL Romi 1.1. v and Mr. ADAM expre..sed tt.eniselves in !avour of the amendment. Mr. lint sett thoughtfthe question about 15,0001. to keep Ills . M A ajeity's l servants about was ell an ell song (it (untie); for o. What inipr..:lc.• was Filch a , l, in as that, compareo with the 'Sow: air's c;,inforts V - e.vld any one s;iy, that a twcl:e -monies s-fary would be any &Jett to a man, when his duty requirvd him to attend his F ? Here he stood as a Legis ialor--( , 4 tau g 4 ). -'• Aye, yelt the wron!t side," said .Mr. hate.i towards the Opposition side; " but I ecternlnt:d to do my utmost to - preserve the comforts of my Nine !" After Mr. CANNING and Mr. WHITLREAD had delivered their i• - • , *Ariei...s, which were hcstile to the resllution, and Mr. PERCEVAL had replied, t! , e Hourie dividtd, when there appeurt-d —F fir the ametien. l / 4 1nt, 4:.)‘,:ti; for reso/ution. 'J.—Majority against Ministers, 13.—Adjourned at Half-past Eltven. ....._410.1. WLDU'r:SI)AY, JAN. S. Mr. LesniNoroN having iirought up .. - he Report of the Com- II rnittee upon the etate o; ,:!e Nation ) (containing the Resolu aions eue:..; :Ted with by the Lords on Monday), they - were I geir qrongly opposed, and a long dehee took i.lace upon them. On the Mee Re 1t ticon Neeg read, which went to vest the Re gency in ;.is :zee; I Highn,•es the Prince of Wales, " subject to such linl.tati n, and t.:::crptior.; as sir be provided," Leal Peace sr> x rave. The Kesolu.ions mieht be consi dered :.s tie! 'eee of the proceedings; but he wished that the giaud 4Loestitueeied Question respecting the restrictions only, seieeid be kept in the i , te•sent discussion. He wish« dto advert to z he e:arecter and si:t:etion of flit- Prince of '4 ales, whichhe the tyht. l•:ett r.nt boon stiffic;ently attended to, and to reason frern the precedent which had already been detailed. What chteger could he eppreheeded from vesting the Heir Apparent as ROlllt, I.t..i;iii , d and uteestrictcd• powers? NA't.s it feered that he would alttr tee succession of the Crown e There conk . : he no &tiger of that ; for the Prince was himself the 1 - leir :'tpparent. V. es a feared that he would impair the Royal nee..ttees, if entt listed xvith an unlimited and unrestricted command over them ?—Such a fear could' not be entertained for :I moment; t the circumstance of the Regent's being the Heir tkete.retit, he could not be benefited by impairing the Prerae.itivcs re the Crown. The reasons urged for restricting the Regeet In the reation of Peers were groundless; 14 were the . I, j. ctions :h::: is tivo•eld coda-ger the C-itstit taint, and that his Ivlejesty en " walene' from his• long site p,"' might rot ep.. ee prose of the t. that lied been niudrof his Prerogative by the Rye: nt. Week: any tee say that if one or twe le/et/Ads. or s fen life, tell Nei ant Juring the 1, inc ihneSs, and the 'rince ees to be wof the ..tha: either endanger Coottitujon or risk the King's disapprob.itiim ? By the lee bolt:tie:l, the Prince of Vita;es might resume the Right l ion. fif the Exchequer from effice, le. well as he; irtthi al. LiJn. " APidegi;! but if in the course of the Regeney Lhr Preece of Wales should appoint a new Clerk of the Iron,• or ete - of the Nleltings• (places filled- by Mr. Pee:evare the House were to be told that the fie gent tle-reby esed§eil the Kin?'s perseri" to dangers, as well. as the C reistituttort.—'Heee, Bear !1--=:&w, ore of those branclu s 1.„3 been visited . isy . an 49tiinely winter, and it remained for the other two to supply ~: place ix a season, with a substitute equal in beauty and strength as the former, until Heaven restored those honours which had been cropped. He went on to observes, that one branch of the legislature had been long suspended; and he declared his reso lution against any further attempts which might be made to h;,14.1 that untitnely suspension longer. The Noble Lord concluded by moving, as an Amendment to the Resolutions of the Con:- mittee, that all the words beginning with " subject to such li mitations and restrictions," in the First Resolution, should be omitted. • Sir THoscAs TURTON seconded the amemirnent. Lord FRANCIS OSBORNF, said, that the duty which he owed to those principles of the Constitution, and to the dictates of his own heart, prompted him to express his disapprobation of the Resolution, as originally proposed, and to agtee with the amendment proposed by the Noble Lord. Mr. Voßiee, in a speech of censiderobie length, supported the argument of his Right Honourabie Fr end the Chanceller of the Exchequer, and defended the . Reedutions as being the only legal and constitutional mode of proceeding, and expressed his deckled disapprobation of the amendowitt. Mr. :h.eretary RYOf.R expressed hisoadintration of the prin ciples so admirably laid down by Lord Grenville, in his speech on the present subject, and wondered touch that his retative (Mr. Wynne) should differ from that Noble Lord, and con. tended that the precedent of 1788 :ought to be followed. Mr. GRATTAN, after taking a short view of the state of the question, was decidedly of opinion that the ration had a right to call on their Representatives for the exercise of the wlode of the prerogative in the present instance, whether the Regent's power was vested in one or many individuals. The Geetlemen opposite had maintained indeed, that sonic part of that prero gative might be dispensed with for sonic time ; but he would tosert, that it was necessary at alt times.— Hear, !tear !, I -,. They had said •hat the limit:owns would he ooly tur a short time; but hew could they form an estimate of the time they were to last ? They had mentioned a year. Would our enemy adjourn his plans against es fur a year ? And would they, in the mean time, deprive the. Regent of the cans of rte isting him ?—( Hear, hear !)—But Ministers seemed to have said, " let us try far a wooe how little Prerogative is necesseiot to do much ;" for ht. would repeat tt, the question was not about this or that Peerage, but about the Prerogative.—( Hear, hear! ). The other res•riction as to the grant of plase. went to secure to tee present 'Ministers, who would then be io (apposition, a re versionary influence at the expellee of the Regent's power; and lie would ask whether it was wise in the pres nt times, to weaken Government in order to strengthen uppodtion, and that by all Act of Pariiament—(lleor, lotar .9—As to the regula tions proposed for the Householcl, they Nve;lt, in fact, to establish two Regents, one for Government, and the other for Opposition. —(hear, hear I)—Gentlemen, suppose that the King, on his recovery, would nor at first inquire ebout the situation of the country. but call for the list el his domestics ; they mu; gave the people a little and contemptible idea of the Sovereign, aod eiake that eontemptible idea the ground of legislation—( Hee r. luar —The comtort of a sick Kne d ,,is to know that the prosperhy of his people has not been impaired during his illness ; by these proceedings they would be sure to deprive idol of that comfort ; and if they succeeded in carrying them, the King would have to peruse on his recovery, not the list of his domestics, - hot the catalogue of the m.stortunes of his people.—/ Hear, hear I ) The MAsTrR of the ROLLS, in a very long and elaborate speech, defended the doctrine of precedents, not from a super stitiew love of antiquity, but beeatise it was evidently far pre ferable to have a certain rule of conduct, teal, to float iu per petual uncertainty. He approved of that of 1768, as pointing, generally, the line of proceedings be followed in the present instance. Mr. SHER IDAN ebservttd, that with regard to the question of law upon this subject; he thought they had this night ail that the law on that side the House could advaoce upon it, in the speech ache Learned Gentleman, and while they. Aat there, in la silence and dread r,.posc," lie thought the House had, heard all they nti E ht expect from that side, tor the law of the subject (Hear, Oar, hear!) Upon the precedent of 11$:3 he 'loved ti:e candour of the Honourable Gentlemen opposite, would allow to him, that those who took the contrary aiee from the supporters of that measure were actuated hy as fair and honest psinciples as those who upheld the Government el that day. '1 he cases which: were Wel most stress upon in slipliort at 1143. precdent, 'were those Of 61 and 84 ;* but in these cases the measures we're adopted by the King, Lords and Commons, in their whole and entire capacity ; any thing that was then done, was clout by the Constitution in a cemplete sette, ard therefore did pot apply to the precedent of 178}1 or the pr esent case . ;Aut. the Learned Cattleman says, "We are here to use our .oWn -retion, to do any chins that we may deem most expedient;" .girt it was nut in UM" diteretioei to ;it pia c:ad „de n9thing i it was their 4,l4 o , MlPt,o*** "" - .46H10 4 T~~~ -