The National Register. — London, England, 1822-02-10 00:00:00

42 ~~~ ~- ~ ~ <~.:.xs+ the day after to aintrow. (clear.) The Speech was any rung but a satisfactory statement of the country. There eyrie el ievaimes unredressed, as well as violations of the Consinction ; and they ought to he first considered. (Hear, Ili to.) Besides those viulatiuns of the Constitution, the Al mile' a lied been playing sill sorts of tricks with the currency; and the salaries were by those tricks and bills raised enormously. He was astonished the Ministers had the shame to bring in such a bill us to raise, in fact, their own in, oases. The change of the currency had affected all privet.. affairs as well as public death's. If they were not a iv. .re of tilt consequences, then they vs ere most incompetent men. But the Ministers acre answerable for that measure. aid its consequences. (Ileac, hear.) As to the state Of Ireland. the Ministers seemed to forget that beyond a certain point, suffering smith! not be endured; and that the Um on, Mau which the gentlemen of Ireland had been duped and cajoled, had rather been a measure of separation. Their word had not been kept a ill that emitters. It was still the victim of a miserable system of exclusion. Why was all dais? Did it not become the House to afford such redress, *ten it was said that corruption its this country was pettily, computed to the corruption its Ireland ? So miserable was the state of an industrious and intelligent people, that a sort raciest war was carried 11)1 in Ireland to prevent the distils Tit on of e biskey.—(Scotland was nut mentioned in the 5p eche and yet vies it not matter of giievanse the present slate of the Burghs should cut attract attentioal In trer.h, tie cause of sill their evils was the undue influence of Miniss iers in that House, and he was persuaded that without full nod effectual retinal there was no hope. (Loud cheers.) But, or ull reforms, that called " economical" was the most " wild and visionary." There were slow, in fact, but two impoitant paitte,e-that which was for reform, and thnt which wits for continued corrupt' . Ile would always call for a 'dorm of that Mouse ; following the example of the Roman, who was ever calling for the destruction of Car thage, he would base no opportunity of demanding a reform of the Commous House of Parham( nt. (Hear, hear.) Ile concluded with moving the postponement of the considoution of the Speech till the day after to-morrow. Mu. HOBIIOUSE secumled the anieudment, also urging the necessity of affording time for the considertition of the Spec ch. There was talk of reduction in the army, but did the putted commissions prove that such reduction was brgun? As to the desire of same persons to wish it to be believed that there were individuals who desired to overturn tke Government, that language would now deceive no one; the people did not fear the revel y plunderer, they feared the person in the shape of a tax-gatherer.—(Hear.) The peop'e knew who were to be feared; it was the ecur 'nous expenditure to support corruptiou.—(Hear, hear 1) — Our foreign relations were not a subject of 1011graLliallUll; the peace was nut what could last. The treatment of the Gil eks, in particular, was most unjust He repeated that to " echo" the Speech, as they were desired to its,, was a farce; it ought to be first considered, therefore delay was requisite. He hoped the hon. Baronet would press his motion ; the forms of Parliament ought to be sustained. Mr. GRATTAN was glad that Ireland had attracted the attention which it had experienced iu the discussions of the evening. There was a good deal of distress, of Wissatisfaction, but there wits nut disaffection. Ireland Watt reviled on account of its religion, and by its laws; and was that a state of Goverunient that ought to conti nue ? In Ireland the race of farmers was gone, the race of gentry was going; these were the calamities against which they hail to guard. The. Marquis of LONDONDERRY would trouble the House very shortly. As to post ponement, if all the ques tions were to lie separately considered before they agreed to the Address, they should name this day three months rather than Thursday. On that day, however, should the Address be agreed to, lie should call the particular atten tion of the House thaw state of Ireland. (Hear, hear.) — On Friday. or at the beginning of tient week, lie should direct their attention to she latter part of the Speech, re garding the difficulties of agriculture. (Hear,ltear.) At the latter end of the next week the Chancellor of the Exchequer would bring farward the Officers' Superannit ation,bill, when he would advert toithe savings that bad been effected. His lordship assured the House, that the most anxious attention had been directed to carry into effect the foresee ly expressed wishes of the House, to cause every possible saving; and he thought the Hasse would be assured of such fact when they should have heard the t hancellor of the Exchequer. This would be a mach better course to pursue, to take the matter separately, than to agree to the mode suggested by the Hon. Hart. Mr. HUSKISSON should vote against the Address, beeause lie insist in the earliest instance protest against the adoption of severe measures. After some further discussion, the House divided on S.r F. Bnrdett's amendment. The numbers were--For it, sS—Against it, 1116--Majority against it,125. Mr. HUME afterwards ruse and moved an amendment on the Address, assuring his Majesty that the House would adopt all possible measures of reduction, that, in fact, they would pursue means that should occure a rednc lion of taxation. The lune member supported this intendment with elaborate details of the financial situation of the t country, touching on those topics to which he more particularly iutended to daect the attention of the House during the session. The ( HINCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER, in reply, explain. d and defended the contemplated measures for the temporary relief of agriculture. lint oil the subject ot' a taiiiceen of taxation, withwit it was adopted with due regard to existing interests, such !eductive would be more likely to aggravate than to alleviate the sufferings and difficulties iit the pout. Mr. I A ICH A Ft' iidiculed the idea that a ueduction of taxattun would aggravate the &sit rests oh die working classes. There aas language sometimes used across the table of dial House, that %MOM toe scouted if used ill any other place in the kingdom. A fit r some tin thee thectls.lollS,lll Whirl; Mr. Brougham, Mr. Bathurst, Lurd Palette' loon, Sir E. Kitatchbull, and others, took a part, the Haase divided. For Mr. Hunis's amendment, 59—For the original ad• dress, 11 —Majority for ministers, 82. While sii.siggels were excluded, we MllllrrSialld Mr. Brougham gas>. notice Or a motion for birthday next, on the present site of the evaiiti y. Atljoittutil at a quarter before one o'clock. NEUNIIWAY, Fie. 6. The SPCAKER took the um!, at tour o'cloc k. and pro. CCetied t uta.t.,l Itett , e, and haling that only 314 smothers were resew, lit clevlattil that the bows* wto adjous sled. 11104611 AN, FLU. 1. Mr. Aid. AN 001) wi s e 1, tip.o a me:sage be forwarded ,u Alit,ett), fur n copy of OP- ewukui:eioners' report un ti au^l of Itcbester jail, t tau the trvideute. THE NATIONAL REGISTER for a copy of the mogistrates of Somersembire's repott on the same subject. Mr. LENN AR D gave notice. that on the 22d inst. he should submit a motion respecting the expeuditure of the civil list. Mr. DA W SON moved for the last report of the vaccine The usual standing orders for the sessions, for committees on ri 'igloo, privilege, lee —Agree d to. On the motion that no petitions for private bills be re ceived ei ter the Y4d inst. Mr. HUM E complained of the shortness of the period. The S PEA KE. It observed, t hat the usual time was allowed —it was according to a standing order of the Howe. a Inch order provided that such petitions should be presented about fourteen days after the sessions commenced. Thai was the standing order ; there was nothing novel iu the terms of the motion. Mr. LOCKHART also thought the time too short, espe cially under the particular circumstai sea of the comm . ), us those who might wish to apply Go enclosuie bills would be anai.rus to know what course the parliament was likely to pursue. The SPEAKER added, that such order never prevented the presentation of petitions for leave to ptesent petitions. Motion ;weed to. It was also agreed that no private bills should he received after the 2SJ March ; and no reports of such bills after the 18111 April. NORFOLK AGRICULTURAL PETITION, Mr. COKE rose to present a petition from the owners nnd occupiers of land in the county of Norfolk—a county in winch agriculture was carried on at less expense, and in which inure corn was growit on poor land, than in any other port of the kingdom. He was sorry to say that the state of the etionty,in consequence of th..*.depression of the agricultu ral interest, was of the must heart-breaking deset 41111/11j and to no man did that circumstance give more more pain than to him, who had spent the greater part of his life in endea vouring to improve its cowls on. The laburir which lie had devoted to that purpose had le•en his pride and delight. It I was dreadful to behold the distress and alarm which per vaded every part of the comity. The temtisition calling upon the Sheriff of the county to convene the meeting at which the petition lie held in his hand was agreed to was signed only by the yeomanry ; and he believed that a snore respectable body of inert did not exist. He was inclined to believe (although his honourable colleague would perhaps be better informed upou that point) that the requisition was signed by prisons who had (masterly been supporters of Go vernment, and had amounted, perhaps to the prop o rtion of three out of five. Those persons who had formerly been the approvers of ministers, nett now convinced of their error —perhaps reluctantly ; but distress had a share in bringing them to their present stt.te of mind. The couety of N OftUIV, lie was proud to say, was the first to set the example of pe taming parliament.—an example which had been, and he ousted would still be, followed by other counties, until they had all brought their complaints before the legislature. He hoped to hear the public voice resound on this subject from all quarters of the country. Unless there should be an ut i i 0000 of both Whip and Totes, unless the country gen tlemen on both sides of the house should combine their ef forts, the total destruction of the asr.ricultural interest mutt ensue. (Hear. hear, front both sides.) The petition prayed for economy and reform. It described the distress which existed, and which could not be denied ; and declared that taxation, overwhelming and all devouring taxation, ails the tau eof that distress. The petition prayed for the reduction of taxes, particularly of those which were imposed upon salt, malt, leather, candles, and other accesses) . articles of too. sumpti tttt , which would afford the country relief to the amount of five ruilivons, without any real injury to the reve nue. How astonished most the country he to hear the decla ration of the Chanceilor of the Exchequer, that the removal of any tax would be au aggravation of the existing distress. Gracious God! At a time when the people flout one rail of the country to the other were complaining of distress, with the p ours of which the table of that house would soon groan —lit such a time were they to be told by a hard-hearted and callous Guverument. on the first day of the session too, that they were to meet nu relief, and that their complaints would be disregarded? He did nut suppose that the petitions of the people would be anemic.' to by that House, but he cer tainly did not expect to hear that doctrine so °yeti's( avowed There had been persons who looked up to that House as a land of hope, corrupt as it was. profligate as it was (loud cries of " Order.") It was known to be so. (Cries of " order' s and " chair." The SPEAKER rose, and observed, that he would be the last person to interfere with the expression of the sentiments of u member of that house, be did nut feel himself called to do so by an imperious duty. He was convinced theta moment's lateen's!' would show the hon, member that he had trans gressed the limits of fair debate. AIr.COKE apologized fur having said what was considered improper. Ile knew that he was warm, and it was natural that lie should be so. It was understood, however, that the people were nut likely to obtain redress from that House. — (Hear, (hear.)—The petition would perhaps better explain the view a hick be calcimined with regard to the censtitu tiros of that House, than he could himself. It slated that retrenchment would do much towards the relief of all classes of the community; and he must remind them, that although an honourable member of the House (Mr. Huini ) had shown last session that there was no branch of the expenditure, either foreign or domestic, to a Inch reduction might nit he made; yet large majorities had always been found to reject his pi °positions. Therefore," said the petitioners," it is our decided cutivicti tttt t that the corrupt and defective state of the representation is the true source of the prevailing dis tress, and that mail tile people shall be this ly represented in pat hament, no relief is to be expected." The lion. °winker for hetet (Sir E. IC natchlrull) had indeed told the house, 111 pretty plain terms, the other day, that no measure could set toed in that House, which did not originate with minis ters—a circumstance, if correctly stated, which did not surprise him when he reglected on prisons who bud situation of profit and emolument like his (Sir L. Knutchbuli s s).—The Iron. gr nt. concluded by spilt beggiug pardon of the House if he had said any thing amt quite Parliamentary. (Hear.) Up in the question toad the petition be brought up— Sir E. KIN; ATCHRULL said, lie never meant to deny that any member had the tight to °alginate any measure, but lie held t ha t after 11111 l islets had aurrouticed the lawn ' lion of [Hinging forward ,4111111: measures oil tire subject, it was not right pievionsty to press tin the House ill judged propositions. As to tone petition, Ire admitted the extent oral severely of the distress, and if ministers 111'01101i flawilltl shy useful measures they blIOUld have support. — (Hear.) littOuliliAM urged that he had been min led to ,* d all a lot incr I'vell• .cud what lieu beet ~nal had nut changed Ins Ileutt- meats. After all that he hail beard. be could not but repeat his conviction that he hail accurately represented the hon. gentleman's sentiments on a former night. Mr. WODEHOUSE spoke in favour of part of the pe tition, and said he thought there ought to be some home. diate reductions.—(llear, hear! ) A repeal of the malt tax was prayed tor, but he thought there might be reduc tions that would be more agreeable and useful to the country. The petition closed with a prayer fur reform. He could not say how far he agreed in that prayer, fur he could not understand what the refocus was that was wanted. As to the observation of the hon. member (Mr. Coke) that he for one would not " deceive" his conoti thews, did lie wail to apply that observation to any par ticular individui I? Mr. LOCHAR I thought those who desired to promote the interests of agiictiltuse, since Whigs and Tories were so likely to differ on the subject, world do well not to burden the question with the subject cf reform. The state of agriculture was calamitous, but prices ought to he testes' ed to somethiug like an equilibrium. Was it right that the same taxes and expenditure should he con tinued in a currency so mate' ially changed? lie did nut attribute the evil to the callousness of ministers; he be lieved that they felt the difficulties, and were anxious to correct them; but what he feared was, that they were wrong in their judgments.--(Hear and a Irugh.)—lf they they did 1111 l take a more enlarged view of the state of the country, he was apprehensive that their difficulties would go on increasing, and that the effects would hereafter suddenly and disastrously burst on the nation. But he felt assisted that there were some classes who were not willing to become the vassals (Italie crown and its ministers. Unless, however, agriculture was protected, the public credit was rot secure. Mr. LUSHINCTON thought if some lion. members had been present on a former evening they would not have described the government as hard-hearted, and callous, and as decidedly against all reduction of taxes.—(Hear, hear! from the opposition.)—He thought that the House ought to wait and hear what were the reductions and ameliorations contemplated by government. Mr. HUME was glad to bear this explanation.—From it lie augured much ; he saw by it that en hones had pi°. duced nitwit change in the government, aided by the sea. timents of members in that House; lie now believed that ministers would lie compelled to submit to a reduction of the taxes.—(Loud cheers.) The petition was theu read, and ordered to lie on the table. A message from the Lords requested that the appendix to the report on the state of agriculture should be com municated to their Lordships. On the motion that the report of the address on the King's speech be brought up, Mr. CURWEN rose. He said that the doctrine that the Address did not pledge members to any particular line, was not so well nudes stood in the country as in that House; and he therelot e bugged that lie might nut be considered as not deploring that his Majesty's speech was so deficient on many particulars. On the Civil List thole might have been something said, and that would have su perseded the nonce which had been given (by Mr. Leo nard) that day. The truth was, the ministers did nut seem to know what really were our difficulties. They must renounce their currency, or prices must conic down and keels down; gentlemen mast no more look for high prices. (Hear, hear, hear.) As to the live millions lead ing scheme, it seas fallacious; those who bad securities to give could obtain money without the aid of the Govern ment, then did the ministers mean to lend money to those who lead no securities to offer? There most be equal tax ation on funded and lauded property—without that they could nut contiune to fulfil their engagements; and lie would remind many prisons, that had the tiolnlity and gentry waived many of those privileges of exemption, to which' they laid claim, some or the consequeuces of the French revolution wuuld have beets avoided. lie was a friend of Reform; and w holier it was soon obtained or not, he felt assured that there were those in the country who would not be deterred from doing their duty. The sufferings of the people of Etiglaud, as well as those of Ireland. must lee redressed. The Report was then brought up, read, and agreed to, and it was ordered to be presented to Isis Majesty. Lord LONDONDERRY presented copies of corres pondence on the state of Ireland, t ruin Lord Wellesley to the Home Secretary of State.—Ordered to be priuted. STATE OF IRELAND. Lord LONDONDERRY then rose putsnant to notice. The task which he had to perform was of a most painful nature, but such was the urgency of the case, that lie felt impelled to bring the question before the House in the absence of some right hon. friends (Mr. Peel,orc.) What ire should propose, on the express solicitation of the Lord Lien's nant, as the only effectual means of suppressing the rebellious insurrectious, was to renew the Insurrection Act, and to suspend, as far as Ireland was concerned, what was called the Habeas Corpus Act, as regarded persons suspected of treason. He should also propose that they proceed with all possible dispatch, and that they continue till the Ist of August ; lie named this period, because h was anxious that the Parliament s hould have every of pm e limit) , of revising and correcting the measures. It might perhaps be necroses) , to prolong the Insittrectiois Act. As to tine time of passing them, it WAS desirable that they should proceed with as little delay as possible. The Re. hellion 111SUrfection Act was passed in a single sitting--. hot lie touuud that it would not be possible to proceed with so touch rapidity with the bilis which lie tiow intended to propose. It would not be possible to do more, from the stair: of the engrossment of the bills, than to forward the bills through that House iu the course of the evening, and to have them ready for the other House to-morruw, tie hoped they would not experience resistance, as tiothiug could be more fatal to the efficacy of the bills. The south and south-west of Ireland were in open rebellion, as the documents proved; but it was not rebel l i on hi so p part of the theoretical principles th at desi g nated the resistance that appeared in other parts of the %told ; it was open resistaiiesi to Government and social order; and lie hoped it would be met in time, aud with a firm hand, as it was a rebellion of plunder and murder; fur otherwise it might assume a more impostant aspect, partaking oh a religious character. AS to the conciliatory measure hinted at by a right km. luau unet, he hoped it would be little less than offering a isi eoliths' fur hum ection in all Wore times. It was not hiss a rebellion *halt broke out in a country somewhat wider the government of law. to the ieuellions districts, the object of the invisible Covet omen or roar was to plunder as well as to murder, to destroy all sal be i g e U t V o e r l al,tillittointistTbrolienction:llo.leutiltwe.raslaV sabcil,O.:ria ter 11 ....' °41 r • r —.. 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