The National Register. — London, England, 1816-02-26 00:00:00

( ou Ole throne of France; 41141 that was to be li •by sni port- Let{ a large standing army, apd by a iitilitary alliatice. There was another mode of supporting that object. and that was by ta'...ints, large sums from the people of France, which the Noble (Castlereagh) had called a trauquithaing policy. If ear e •old judge of the feelings of the people of France by 4)11r town, the raising heavy peruniary contributions was tiny thing but a tranquillizing policy. But he hoped that Partimutid winild take care to prevent those MIMS being oppropriated as IFoit% of the Crown. without the consent of the Legislature putt of it was to be given to the Pope to enable him to bring hint his pictures ; or, perhaps, to erect a Nlonnment to King Bluer IX. For his ono part lie wished that the preseht Cm *eminent might continue in Fiance, imt beeause they were llaurlunts ; but in order to restore peace to that country oiler au many revoltitimis. But to have that tioeconnicnt supported •b. foreign armies was the greatest degradation that France ~.4 4, 14 1 en dure, Constant irritation must be the consequence; a nd shoitid there be it national movement of France against this fo force, the overwhelming power of the ,tikes would overwhelm that unhappy country, and totally dismember it. Ile admitted that the iteeessity of security, or of self de fence, 541,11111 justify interference with the internal affairs of another rousitre ; And nothing else would justify such an in tro.ft•rvisev. They had been told loy the Noble Lurd. that the tsovercigus regarded speeches made in that House. in Its out Of liberty, es ith a; ealous eye. He hoped the Noble Lord had not given lilt ilf quo,conce in that conduct; but it was a sail proof irf bail company and fereign travel to hear the Noli:e Lord state inteh a fact in a house where he had gained so much re putation. It lion ed what the people of Enrope el ere likely to gain by a set of military despots, %ben they could be jealmie of a few speeches made by an ohseure inioority. while they the Noble Cord and his triumphaut majority to support C:eiti. lie considered that onr real moans of security were, preserving the territorial integrity of rtatice ; and the establishiug such a Governitielit in that country as %%mild pos sess ibr% colifidence of the p,...p1e. 'There was nit chance of p:4lmaiient repose to Europe without obtaining these two great omits. _ :Mr. C. GRANT defended the Treats. in all its branches. There nes er had, lie WAS ready tM contend, been a Treaty <mu t luded which had done so vomit to raise the honour of Great B..itain, and to consolidate her power hi es cry part of the V.1 . /rid as this had dom. An Hon. Friend of his (Mr. Horner) had said that the terms imposed on France would tend to de grade the Botirblins in the eyes of the Freud' nation. In his s MT. (:rant's) opinion it would have a contrary elfect. The I:!.enels people could not be ignorant of recent events --they could not have forzotten the Scents ot• peace granted to the Boit rlrins in Islt, •nd if they had now ottani( r fide, they could tout fail to see, that to and not to the Boorlions, they were iudeloi il for that fate. I Lard cheering . frons the Jli siiTteeicl 11.-ne?1,•.1,- The lion. Gentleman concluded, by giving his warmest support to the Address. Mr. ['two/soy opposed the Treaty generally, but more par ticularly that part of it which boon" its to support a force of :14„000 loco ; hut stipulations having been entered into, he wished to know why our contingent should not be forint of continental troops. rather than British troops. Ile parfien tarty objected to t us keeping.. AS it were, uu advanced-guard of the British arms ; and chlitenderi, that this aria system less likely than any %%hick could has 4. been adopted for inducing the Powers of the Continent to reduce their military establish ments. floc effect it woilid have that was, gising to the rown of this country au influence dangerous to the liberty of the subject. Lord CASTLEREAGH replied to the cations arguments urged againq his motion, when Sir C. !MONK It in vain attempted to be heard.---The House then divided—For the Amendment 77 Against it 240—The original Motion was then carried. eeiN , Them being only :44 members present at the usual hour, the house adjourned till to.mornew•. FFR. 22. Mr. LOCXIOART bre - malt, in a bill to regulate the pales of Fanuintf Storl..--I:4•Kd a foot time. _ . . Mr. Gotten presented a petition from one of the handreits of Sianlk, signed by a thousand persons, rompl: ' ' g of agri euiltural digresses, asking the relief of partimm lir, and parti cularly pointing out the hardship of the moult duty, and the formers horse - 01ifered to lie 011 the table. PILLORY A1;011'110%. Mr. I. A. TAYLOR tholltht it most occur to evilly _-rntic man, that, in Ruitrmitting this mutt ss 1,, he nerd say very little af ter the unanimom, von• of last session. 'I lie bill was ilidaed to e miter :.oust by the indkuusition of the noble lord Oil the suroalsaek. Some persons wished the continuance of the pil lu•ry for the punishment of fraud and perjury; but he slifiribl suffer his bill in the sante state as lie haul done before. this punishment was left wholly to the caprice of the nit:1610(1e. snot ought not to remain on the statute-books. Certain horrible eritnes were punished Ly the pillory, yet public decency shrunk train such rrluuitiuus. Ult.., in tile to at tits patty, and with a desire to pull dow n a 'Moister, were found guilty of a libel, w ere punished in the saint• manlier us a wretch whose pm:jury might have atletted the Ide of his fellow-ere:dune. Could any man approve of this? 'flue num who 1111 l violent outrage on motility inight be hailed by a mob? and the political libeller, owing to party feelings, might be almost pelted to di Atli. K e had never heard any body say that the its ought not to Le resist d, and in most carts rho pun:should The difference id opinion was iteneraily as to the e steed of the aiteratiolis that were desiu able. Some WOO i:1 contitie it to f trio' y ; others high in the law, would go fur tLer but yet they tutu not stated th:•u arguments iii a Luigi- Me shape. Iu ploptising the total abolition, lu stio,ild ni•le to snbstitutc, its silia.l cast*, fine aunt ; until I o higher cast's tram,' to iaiion,par,iciitirl.s for certain detestable ulli aces. He then moved far 1, aye to brmg in his bill. Sir It. HrtlOs meant to oiler an amendment to the bill, but should wit press it,if it pp.-grist' against the PeD.E Oil ht. lOWA'. Certain utlences haul of late notch tocreiged, ant!, he feared, owing too much to the prevailing Olihrnl . As and ind Witmer. All who :Mewled the :12 , ? , 1*/.4.$ 1111134 ►nun how dlchtsUlt It is to convict capitally °Henslers of this nature. itlence t•uuld ge nerally be got only by the su•pieluus testimony o f an wee plies.. Coasts:tit:Hs were chiefly for assaults with an intent. As to transporting these periwig, it might sir bject others ti me ,. ported to punishments woise than what the law inflicted. If such (Tittles were effectually checktd in upper life it would e a great (II el IL lie' disordet eil wretch, who stood in lit- Le fear of imps isiunnient, pillory, o• death, might perhaps be affected by the tenor of perpetual disgrace and scorn. Lcave was given to bring in the hill. • I.OIIIIT uF SIiS•ION. Sir joins New uoitT called the acts:ohm' of the House to a T1011.4:ol. re..lloCe With two orders ;made in the last session of Parka,: era, fin a rrtnrn of fees taken in the 0111111 iti :14:101. iu Sl'o,lolll. Au Address been %men to the Prince Regent on the Atli of April, for the production of these accounts, uua affl;l/1 , 1" Oil of #lay ; and yet, although the !louse run: TIIE NA . TIONAL lIEGISTER. tinned sittmg till July, the fet..rn was never made. In order theretine, to as , ert the anti,. r,". the House., and curet ince vs cry court in the kingdom o i the i i of obeying its orders, he should loose an address to the throne, repre , ellllllg that the papers iu question 11:;1 not yet been laid Leto' e the House cotathrilialsly to the I', Mee ltegent's directions, and pray Mg I liat the pi over officer be liter eil forthwith to produce them, n *oh a Aateineut 01 the reasons, if any, of the delay n inch had taken place. Mr. W. l)t Noss would , not attempt to justify the court, if he cancels ed :bat tile 'delay priweetled froth any disresin t to the Numc. A return might 4.'1k:d01., to base been 'Mlle tic to the alleged augmentation of fees, even though that return should has t been nit." 'flierr mil , a commission now in existence tbr inquiring into the tics taken in courts of justice, and the lords of se•sion hail fallen into the misapprehension that it was to these eoonuissioncrs the I,oai 11 ought to be 111311 e. lie hoped, theiethre, the lion. Baronet •.sotild af:reee to leave out the words VS preAsive of censure• which told only serve to les sen the dignity of the ciiiirt, and by these means to le , sen its public importance and utility. the might add, as a fact, that the sproud order bad missed its stag fro n t the Secretary of State's flake, and hail miser reached the vaunt of session. Mr. lion %Ex thud:lit the fast mentioned vireo:instance, it true, siatileiently exculpated the coon from the change of et,:- turnery. Ile upprehended, how es er, that the lords of session had, by what ma, culled an act of sethritut, exceeded their power.. in assimilate a legislative authority to raise the fees of the emirt, which was in fact to the .tit bject. Mr. linnrcit.sM eNpleslso4 his hope that the non-compliance• of the court would be found to have originated in misconeep tbinotirt in obstinacy or the insolence of office. After some further eon% ersation, upon the suggestion of Mr. Ponsouhy, it Walt agreed, that the words implying censure should be omitted, as the Ilf the dehoy was at present un• known. The question was then put and carried. INCOME. TA X. Mr. Tthot . tatest pre:toted u petition against the property tax, signed by 3728 persolis, inhabitants of Cie/kens% ell. The }lon. Member obsess ed, that the petitioners Intrably but warm ly represented that they had cheerfully borne the necessary Inn.thens of war, and had exulted in the glorious success by which it was brought to a termination, but that a fay un inconic in a time of pearl) Mould not only be omit( sive, but altogether intolerable. 'They concluded with an observation which he conceived would be le-echoed through the country . , that it' the imposition of this tax was to he the result of all our exertions, they %null' he led to question the utility of those- splemliil victories with which the arms of the counti y had been crowned. 'The petition was then read, and orili.red:o lie 110 the table. Mr. BARING observed, that the country w as at present very generally preparing to p; titian against the rens•vs at of this tax. Under these circumstances, he conceived the house ought lilt to be called on at so early a day as Monday to u vote which would.continit them to the peace t•stabliSlinicnt. (Hear, helm.) The public might he expected to expeixss its sentiments within vet y few days, and be could ec no necessity for pressing the discussion. ft delay of ten days sir a foi Night would pro duce no iiiconvenience ; and he should therefore, if the emestion wet e brought tot iaril Oft Munday, object in liminc to the nu tile lord entering spun it. Mr. 11. !Stem ixi rose to move for an account of all pro. ceiges issneil front the exchequer Mr the recut cry of taxes and a r re ars o f ta‘cs sine, the ist January Isla, distinguishing those issiet•d for debts limier 51. This proreisi was by writ of terori .faciax, und was is:tendril With great expense to the defendant. Five cases hail conic to his knowledge, in which this process had been taken out, where the debt was in one instance fifteen and in the other seven shillings. t liar, k•ar.) lie was sure, that when this return should be before the 110 , 11 4 e, it would speak volumes as to the extent of individual distress prevail ing in the country. After sonic conversation between the Chancellor of the Ex chequer, M. W. Smith, and Mr. Thompson, the motion was agreed to ; and the Chancellor of the I:xelsequer stated that enquiry wilald be made, whether a more summit, v and less expi usive process could not be employed lin the ft cove:l'y of small sums. Sir SA MI VI. ROM MI bronght in a bill to amend the 10th and Ilth of ilham 111. so faros lola ws to taking away the benefit ,of clergy from persons convicted of ow sling iu shops to the va lue of 43. Read a first time, and orslcred to be lead a second time on Nlimslay next, and to he printed. Lord eIICH It cal gave notice, that on vtilluStiay next , he should call Ilie atl ention of the house to the charge gii en by the Chief Justice of the Court of King's llent•li to the f ury, w the ease of I I, lierenger and others. slergy resi deuce bill cot through a committee. Ad jourticil. rstitexT, Fr.nnt:mtv • 1:\ NCOAI E T.l X. l'etitiona against the continuance of tho-tax on property were rt.I.I.IIICILI from Yarmouth, 31ablen, Bat Stey nine, anu other places, and were iespectisely ordered to lie on the table. • Mr. 13% NG 101 l'Stflitril a similar petition from the parish of St. Luke. Mititi:C'ex, signed by i,.ion householders, and pray ing the house not to sanction those itrivonstiiiitional measures for the Mclean of a large nitlitary e.stablishment, which could :Mw render nevi 5r...11y die ie.-imposition of sio unjust, partial, and! erpresNil ;. hairtbrii. '.Clr. It% sr: liken i•e presented another of the same nature from the parish of St. MAI) Ordered to tie WI the table. . . . . . ?W./ %)11:.5 SIIAW presented petitiuns against the property tax fruta tlae waetlA l'oettookt 11,,1141gate, and Btslsoltgate. %% ILL' ANI Cl wets presented petitions to tot• attic, effect (tom the hard, of Catolteu k aid I:new:pion WI thout.-ot &vett to :iv 4111 the ti.nle. Mr. tif.its: ski oN presented a petition euntainnig the like prayer li he itilinuitants of the city ut Ituth. Ste 't tittota% it k II pet nettled ain titiou, stir:nett by 300 nr.,, (Into iiturp, and teiltviss ut lalotl, Ulna tilt' city ut I.xt.tue, itra)ittg lehtl anklet the present systesu ut taxation. The petition was then orderer' to Fir on the table. • Sir . 1 11401 AS At KLAN If pr. t.eilteil StiNiTal uu.c r petitions of the• same .le.ciiption, ishich were ordered to he on the table. A new witt taus roilett d to he issued for tilt• hoi (rgil of Vitr o out h, iu the Ipte of Wight, in lin I i.Olll of Sir Usury Mont gotieti , nlto 11.1.1 accepted the Chiltern lluudreds. The oil: tor the ahonnun of the puidAstnent or the p:ltorN Wag brought in and read a tint to he roast second time this day 2.i:sung:Mt. Leave of tthseriev, oil ..ecount of orirent business, fur on month, %%bib grunted, utter Boole objection. to .tir. irrattint. P 1.i.( ;MAKIsIi.'. The 01Am:hi.* Inc fit lb. KUL Ell ruse, in pursuance in . . uotwe, to call Use atteot 44444 of the !loathe to toe colleetsoo ut hoorhie> in the itusa•eftsioo or the Lati Toy% AI (is the etwe of the 1 . ! ett SC•SIIL/11 or Parliament, Use Noote Earl had pi ovirltd.a.l.llltiOn 1./ the 1 bmie, oat au wpm Imo tie 11:;•.ir iuty the value of us coil( t.tkot, which he e,,k, TED. 211. of selling to Goveriniamt for the nse of the II ' l ife et. - Cllllllsl.illeeS under which the Noute Lord had neeUlllll. possessed. of those unttchltss pioduedons were so troll Lruwo, that oh o 'tight Hon. tit:mit man world nut (volatile the Himse at any lei th un the subject. 'they were imap.ii eft by him, ill the moose ef his lids. to Constantinople, with the greatest et ertiuus, and at a very eousitlei aWC V% praise, and might be justly considered as the Ilona solo:dile works of art that had ever been brought from the western parts of Europe. Every person acquainted with that I\ tilde Lord must be aware, that his ob• ject had been solely directed to the advancement of the arts; but being unable,from cii monist:laces %%Melo ass as then unneces sary to repent, to futill his munificent intentions, he Sc as natitral- Is elusions that the public should enjoy the ads autage of his la- hours. As to the amount ut the Irmoneration to be given to Its Lordship, the lteeltt Hon. Gaut. wished to lease it to the judgment of the House. The collection was too will known lu make it necessary fur him to refer to the opinions of the most eminent artists; it was, beyond all question, the most an cient and genuine that had eit'r appeared, and the cellars+ would he naturally proud of possessing .1111a55 of models fur the :at., which the united collections ut Europe could hardly pro. duce. The copintittee, how exer, for which lie ictended to muse, would be imitated to call proper judges before thou. its order to .iscer tuna the same. it was a _cued, on both shit .:oftlic House, that, in the press ut situ:Mutt of the countrs, it was in the hist:t est degree dt sirahle to asoid any.unnecessary expenditure out it should nut be forgotten, that if the present opportunity ware missed, it might never tiever again. He saw no 'prospect but, in the course ut a short time, these esquisite works of mit mu-t be dispersed, or disposed of to foreign purchasers. The House had before an opportunity of acquiring a tamable col lertion, and they had, for public purposes, and on pubEto grounds, a: aifeil themselves of it. Tites had now tile offer or a more spit ndid collection • and it was certainly Inc Of the 111011 %%0111111 till cc via. utthe lay, that the works of l'holias should become the property of a liaise of Caledonia. The desire of contereing honour on the arts, as w ell as on the arms of this country w as the object of his motion; ter, of all the arts, sculp ture n isi at present the least flourishing in England. Its should therefore muse, That a !select committee be appointed to in qui IT whether the eolleet ion of the Earl of Elgin ought to he purchased; and if so, what price plight to be uttered for is and that the said committee should adjourn from place to place, that they might hose power to tXIIIIIIIIC the works of art, and to call proper poisons before them. lord Osschsrus thought the house should consider IA hetber an ambassador ought to he permitted to avail hiniself of his ulliciui character to possess such valuable wommients,and after wards to convert them to his own use. Mr. Banters coneeived that the corninittee ought to inquire into the manner in which the noble lord became possessed of these works ut art, and the expenses which he had incurred. Much would depend on the result of that investigation ; for it would then appear what degree of vested right to those mar bles the pobhc had already acquired. In his opinion the noble lord had obtained them in his character id ambassador, anti not ils a private traveller ; if so,, his lordship hail no right to dispose of them out of the country. Mr. .tusatetromeig ogreeil that it was a matter of politic duly not toliold out a pi ecedent to with:ass:tam s to avail them selves 'of their situation to obtain suet), property, and then to convert it to their own pOrpOsv6. Mr. GlihnOr. %stolid not enter Or all into the ruerib of loved Elgin ou this enbity t, but thought that the present distressed state of the country did not justify the sista Eton. Gentleman ut snaking his motion. However desirable these marbles might be for the promotion of the arts, it would be very impolitic and improper at this time to incur any vinnecessai y expendi ture. lie Om efore wished the right lion. Gentleman to post pone this measure till the country had been relieved from :he - very heavy burthems which now oppressed it. Mr. TIEN sive said, that 110 auto could feel more anxions than himself that these weak* of art should not be srattered user the country, or lie sacred to lease it. II the object of the Mutton rite to enquire whether Lot d Elgin bad become possessed of them iu consequence of his pulsate fnuctious,Hll.l• what expellees he had incurred, he was ready to agree to a committee ; hut not that particular artists should be asked what they conceived to he the value elf these marbles. lie thought the committee should be instructc.i how they ought to conduct themselves. It had been stated that Lord Elgin for merly applied to Mr. Pereeval on this subject, who offered ~;ac , die stun ill none., which Iris lordship refused. Ile did not see. thertdote, is by the idler should be repeated ; but that an hooray should be Instituted, as to the extent of his cxpeenlitturi: iu procuring these marbles. Part of them was brought us cc in ships of tsar, and euusc qucutly at the public expense. If it were nurt ly intended to hold out encouragentetit to anthassa rides to eurieh their country with Ism ks of arts, then it was creditable to the right honourable gentleman; but if he meant that the noble lure, availing himself of his official character, should now call himself the possessor, I,e would nut agtee tir the motion. Ile thought it improper, in the rest lit situation of one finances, that the holi?e should be invited to purchase them, 'flue right hon. gentleman hail said, it was very de sirable to possess them. '1 his might he very . true; 111(10 were a great many things Whirl he t.llr, Tierisey) would wish to have, and he was sorry lie had them not ; but he was bountl to consider his means, and the light hon. gentleman shotilil do the same Mr. Eosin observed, that it would be to he regretted, it' the public lost this opportunity of old:amines a collection more Use fill titan any other that could be found tor the improvement of the arts. Mr. l'NgsioN thought, that if ambassadors were encouraged to make these. speculations, mans might retarn home iii the. idiatacter of thert:lrao Li. He email not consent to pay . fur the - collection accurdisse to what might be called les value, but only as far as it was a coniperiaat.ou to an ambassador Ihr his expences iu procuring it. Mr. liniment ast tilt great difficulty in iihiveing to the mo tion. lie could not profess troy judgment 101 l the %aloe of matters of this description, and he was vi ry desirous that we should possess this col.ection. After we had spent had been said, tor our very existence as a mitten', it might be said further that we 'night be allowed to expeod a little a for gialification and truant. ut ; but then it could 1w stated, on the other hood, that ve e bad nut the roi mil to allot d it. If we had, it would he wch dispose il of iu the Orantirr proposed. Mir sit. is cre,US a nation, iii the sittiati.tO or all ho saw many things ut Comlio I or Olnallit Ilt s Hugh he SlltliP.ll like t,. boy, but felt obltged to reft ant from wilt all liohilgi.ot - C, hsr LW shoo hi (*Mb:lll..ss his affairs too mock lie had miderstood that the 'nacho! , e ut this cone etiots would cost 40 or aO, ll OOl. and lie timid not thiuk the pry scut a Keifer time tor pt rsuag it. %t hen tee SOW the Willits lit nudshyoncu, auJ u t so litany hurl -111%16 of half pay officers, who had bat the bare nue ails tof ...illy, hi. WAS led to think, that it we could um ioVe flu lit bread, vie might to consider well how we 1100i:ed • ours, lvte with stones and marbles. 1k thtirfule flit much inclined to oilje.e. 1M r Sig Ji hi t! c of Dom: 4i.j 3.1, ma.m.4 itirm (:rest Phil]] b.• J. ( J.:l i eer J. 1.1 Fa f. t 'a NV. I 1. Pu S. HI C. \1 ill ''l , .I.W: ' A . 7 , ' r