The National Register. — London, England, 1821-03-12 00:00:00

4" .4 411. • a vinpertal janitantettt. HOUSE OF LORDS. MOSIDA V. NIA RCII 5. Lo HOLLAND moved the order of the day for go in g into committee on his bill, for regulating trials for treason in Ireland. The bill according' f went through a committee. and was reported without amendment. On the motion of the Earl of Shaftesbury, a message was sent to the Commons, requesting John (ilanstans, Esq. might be permitted to attend the lords committee on foreign trade, for the purpose of examination. The Marquis of LANSDOWNE moved, that all petitions resented to the house and referred to the i:onitnittee of toreign bade last session, be referred to the committee on foreign trade now sitting.—Ordered. The Marquis of LANSDOWNE presented a petition from the Homan Catholics of the county and city of Limerick, praying parliament to ramie them from disabilities imposed by the exist ing laws, and thereby admit them to civil rights enjoyed by other TUE*DAY, MARCH 6. The Bishop of CIIICHESTERpresented a petition from the As ehdraconry of Chichester, against the Roman Catholic claims.—The petition was read and laid on the table. The Earl of LIMERICK presented a petition from the Chamber of Commerce of the City of Limes irk, pray lug for alteration in the law relating to the averages of corn. The petition also prayed, that parliament would adopt measures to allow the admission of Irish spirits to the English market on a footing of equality. The noble earl said, lie was glad to hear, with respect to the hist part of the petition, namely. the averages, that the other house was taking steps to provide a remedy. lie also expiessed a hop., that the gne.tinu telating 10 the (*see admission of lash spit its would slim Ity occupy the attention of parlia ment.—Tor petition %%.ts read and laid Mu the Lillie. The OlketierS 113119)011.1iilel 1,111 was read a second time, and committed for 'llittrsday The general enclosure set amendment bill was read a second time, and co 1111 l titled tor Thursday. Adjourned to Thursday. TIIC ItSDAY, MARCIt S. On the motion of Lord I ittiland the Irish treason 1.4 w amendment bill was read a third time, passed, and sent to the Co 11111 l 011 S. FttIDAV, MARCH ft. The LORD CHANCELLOR attended the house this rooming at ten o'clock, to hear appeals. Prayers were read by the Lord Bishop of Ely. The Earl of SHAFTESBURY presented a petition from the mayor and corporation of Beverley, against the Roman Catholic claims. The Marquis of LANSDOWNE presented a petition from the ahlieuvtuersut Sunderland, against any alteration of ditties on timber imported to this country•. The abuse petitions were read and laid upon the table. The Aldi(11115 of LANSDOWNE moved fur an account of the quantity of goods exported from Great Britain to Fiance iluinig the last 'ear, distinguishing the Bag by which the etspurtattun took place..—Ailionined. HOUSE OF COMMONS. MONDAY, MAltlii S. Petitions were presented from the owners and occupiers of land in Beveriey—W nicht:bee—Workington, Cumberland—North mpton—liontingdun—Southern, Warwickshire, complaining olagriculturaldistress. Mr. FOLEY presented a petition from from S.ockton against any change in the timber duties. Mt. 11. Su .We s t moved the second reading of the Select Vestry Bill for Newington. Mr. DP:N[B4)N opposed it, observing that its object was, to - to defeat a bill brought in about seven years since. This bill would place die affairs of the parish in die hands of persons ap pointed for life, who were to audit their own accounts, and to - appoint their own successors.—(llear.)—lle concluded with moving that the bill be read a second time this day sex months. ' Mt. Serjcnnt ONSLOW defended the bill, observing that the recent vestry meetings had been most violent and disgraceful, and that the treatment of the Hector was most disrespectful. Sir W. DE CRESYIGNEY resisted the bill most decidedly ; the paliallitiners called ou the house to defend them against a most oppressive measure. The bill went to disfranchise the in habitants. It went to utablisii a secret and select Junta—a knot of petty despots. The bill was most obnoxious to Newington and the neighbouring parishes. As to thei conduet tif the Rector (Onsluw) the worthy relative of the hon. serjcant, it would be . much better for him to attend his flock, instead of interfering with the vestry meetings. Dr, LUSIIINGTON trusted that the bill, every part of which was most unconstitutional in its principle, would not be allowed to go to a committee, for that would entail an enormous expence on the petitioners against it. Sir It. WILSON observed, that this bill was the result of the C11111".111.1i Bill. As to tumultuous meetings, had none of the proceedings been *. tumultuous?" (Hear.) But if such bills were supported, it would be the beginning of efforts to distrial. ehise the people on a large scale. They would next hear of Electoral Colleges ; property, as had already been urged (by Mr. S. Wortley), would become the standard of the franchise or no franchise. Mr. W. WILLIAMS hoped that the house would mark its reprehension of this bill by not suffering it to go to a com mittee. Mr. W. SMITII said, a paper hail been delivered to the members, backed • • Callloll and Cato, " the main portions of which he understood to be false; but if the hon. member (li. Sumner) would undeitake to say that tucy could be proved, lie would not oppose the eumniiitee. Mr. MON CK was against the bill. This was an attempt to introluct die rotten borough system, The vestry were to be self-nominated, and they were to audit their own accounts. Mr. li. SUM N Llt defended the bill. Ile maintained that t was requisite to tranquillize the parish. After sonic explanatory remarks from Mr. Denison, Mr. G. Bennett, &c. the gallery was cleared fa a division. The numbers woe—Ayes 1.2 h I Non is 2 I Majority 46. The bill was then read a second time. A ine , .ge front the Lords announced that their lordships had agreed to time Annual Indemnity Bill, and that their lordships begged th e attendance of Mr. Gladstone, a member, before toe lords foreign trade committee. Mr. S. WOitTLEY moved the reading of the order of the day for the re-commitment of the (*unwound Disfranchisement Ind. He desired that occupiers of houses of 201. rent, or who paid poor rates to such amount of rent, should have totes. Mr. 110IIIIOUSE thought that the bill would nut answer the expectations funned of it ; and that it would nut meet the ex pectations of the country. Report to morrow. Thc house went into a committee on the acts regarding the Agricultural Horse Tax, in winch an extended conversation took place as to the oppressive character of that tax on the farriers. Mr. CUR WEN moved iliat she committee be instructed to pmvide means to repeal that part of the horse tax which applies 40 beiges solely employed in agri.:ulture. After a very long discussion stranger* were ordered to with draw, and the house divided—for the motion Iz9 I Against it 65 I Majority 57. .ereit ..111116 THE NATIONAL REGISTER On our re-admission into the gallery we found the house in committee. The resolutions were agreed to, and the report was ordered to be received to-morrow. IRISH MASTERSHIP IN CITANCER.Y.—MR., Dr. LUSHINGTON in bringing Simard his promised motion proposed to trespass for as short a period as possible upon the time of the house. The duties united in the person of the hon. and learned gent. opposite (Mr. Ellis) the duties of member for Dublin, and of master in Chancery in Ireland, were so incom patible with each other, that either the first or the last must necessarily be neglected, To shoe, upon the best of all possible authority, the lion. and learned member's own oath, the nature attunes devolving upon him as a master in Chancery, it was only necessary to go to his examination Lefore the commission winch sat upon the state of courts of justice in Ireland. On his appearance befsre the commissioners un that occasion, the hon. and Icanred member was asked " What are the duties of your office, and the hours of your attendance ? How did the hon. and and leanrial gent. answer that question ? lie answered, " the duties of my office arc various and difficult to be specified" (hear, hear); " they principally consist in taking accounts pend ing in chancery suite ; in investigating disputed facts in cases of lunacy, bankruptcy, and title; in taking affidavits; and, in short, in a great variety of important avocations which he (Dr. Lushington) would not now enumerate. The second part of the question put to the lion. and learned member by the commis • stoners was as to the hours of auendence. What was the hon. and learned gentleman's reply? It was corroborated—it' cor roboration could be necessity—by the evidencee of the other masters in chancery who were examined at the sante time The duties of office require my regular attendance 10 months in the year, and althrd, snore or less, business fin eve.) , day in the year. lam always in my office from 11 o'clock until three or thus, each day during term, and from ig until three during the vacation, as businessmay require : this is independent of uctaisional business at my house in the evening ; and of taking affidavits at all hours when partiss found it necessary to swear them." (Loud cheers.) Now here was positive evidence. The noble hod opposite (Lord Castlereagh) when the subject was nutter discussion last year, distinctly stated these words—" All that he (Lord Castlereagh) required was, that the learned gent. (Mr. Ellis),hould have the option, if elected, of retaining his seat or resigning his o ffi ce; but that, if he retained it, there could be no objection to address the crown for his removal." The learned gent. concluded by moving the followfng resolutions : " That die duties of a master in chancery in Ireland require for their due performance the constant residence of that officer in Ireland. That Thomas Ellis, Esq. being one of the Masters in Chan cery in Ireland, and also a member of the Imperal Parliament, cannot adequately discharge the duties of his office as a master in chancery, and also his duties 11. , a member of this house. " That the duties of a member of parliament are precedent to all others, and that to perform them, those which attach to Thos. Ellis, Esq. as a master in chancery, must he neglected, to the injury of public suitors." It was his intention, if these resolutions were adopted, to follow them up by moving an humble address to his Majesty, praying that lie would be graciously pleased to remove Thos. Ellis, Esq. from his oflice as one of the insiders in chancery in Ireland. Mr. E1.1.1S addressed the house at great length, and after wards retired. The first resolution being put, Mr. Peel, Lord Castlereagh, &c. &c. opposed it. Dr. LUSIIING'TON then replied. After which the house divided, when the numbers weres-For the motion, 52—Against it, 101—Majority, 49. Dr. LUSHINGTON immeniately gave notice, that lie should on Thursday next move for leave to bring in a bill to render Mr. Ellis incapable of sitting in the next parliament. On the motion of the lion. and loaned gent. accounts of all exciseable articles consumed in Birmingham in die years MR and 1819, were ordered to be laid before the house. Adjourned at two o'clock. TUESDAY. MARCO. 6. Petitions were presented from the owners and occupiers of hold is the Cl/111113 Palatine of Chester— Wm ringthon A bi mites—Be • kshire—Snssex— n es—aii --Itimsford —C lielinsford— Hereford —Kent— Essex— Boris staple, dm. complaining eat agricultural distress. Laid on the table. Petitions were presented from manufacturers in Somerset shire and Sliepton Malletsigainst the sixpenny a oul duty. AIr.SYKLS presented a petition on the eons averages, from the boom lers of corn, against any alteration in the mode of striking the averages. Sir C. H kIiVEY said he was desired to support these petitions.—Peuti 111 l read and ordered to be printed. Mr. AM ES moved for copies of all correspondence and Finn:orb respecting the building of barracks at Carlisle and Pa , sles , nod the progress made in the building them. Mr. CURWEN give notice that on the I Ilh instant he should inure fur leave to Ming in a bill to repeal the Agri cultural Horse 'fax. Mr. COKE then rose In present a petition ten various owners and occupiers of land in the counts of Nortnik. Ile begged to repeat w hat he had said uu the preceding evening, mut he was well acqeiiiiiteil with a great many rif the.pe tii• (S.. Ile knew no 111E11 Al versed in their professio n , or so qualified to have a competeut knowledge of the n ews ; existence of those evils tor which they prayed that house 10 provide thi in some remedy. (Hear.) There were 110 persons in the Island of Great Britain is lio produced more cosh im is smaller pint 1111 l of laud than they did. (Hear.) It this part of the empire, with these advantages on its side, was under suet, a state of agricultuial distress, it hat must lie the situa of those less favoured parts of Great 111 itain, ii here mealier the soil nor the skill was equal ? on of those parts of this and adjacent counties which were little better t ha n swamps? he state of agricultural chill Wil• blf a ppallieg, that lie wondered that the gorcrilinelit of thes counisy did not look at it us became Hari,, and as it was their slaty to do (hear): lie wondered mat they did lint warmly take it Ni, instead of throwing cold vials' . sit in ; instead of this lacy tej cted the pi aye', and petition, ol the whole king dom. trims one end of it to tile mato. The preset of this petition went principally to urge the repeal of the last dot) on malt. But it was levities, to say that that repeal could 101 l be ellectual. It ss as the duty of ministers to economize; and retrenchment amid then effect, hi. had nu donut, the pealed possible good thew to reduce the present inordinate taxation. To (elect thi s great object, which involved in it all other, mud a Inch essentially involied the inlet eats of asoiculture, lie culled upon ever) member of that house to persevere in his duty 11 one hollow aloe member dileeted his attention to the esti mates to the Navy, 11110111er it/ the Ordnance, and Us on, they %mild suss be istse to aceumplish sets isieleuents, it' the iiiiiiistei, lie cruets felt deo'ous, really to extend u i chef to so large, so Ines iiutioos, so %Altai/le a clan of the com munity. Tile relluctioo or taxation ear eon-Merril to be tile may . fleet Ise abeam. else h could be adopted. lie was oat ode of seine win were tor • protecting duty, and fur this is•Asoil lib 11 was COIIEI4II/ 0 1. piste u; mind, ssool is a. at that time fi4llll Nth. to this I then felt minted int el) to 455. and 405., ;L i m it 11014 it was worth little aloe s than alts. 'I tii, deprecia tion big h t lie uttiibuted (pro hap!. they should be' told) to many causes; but ctrtaiuly it uru,e principally from the .4 protecting duty.—(Hear, bear.)—.He wished to make the relief to be extended to be the remit of a reduction of of the taxation.—(llear.)—A noble lord in another house had attributed the prevalent distress to one cause, and a ambit. herd in that house to Itiinther„ The noble lord (Cue. tlereagii) whom he regretted that he dial not now see its his place conceived it to be owing to an ignorant home.- lience of taxation. If those lino. gentlemen who were accustomed to support 3114jesty s Inhibitors could not see in this disregaid of so ilitounentOOS a y nesfion as that of the distresses of the agricultural interests, the destine. lion of their own bital interests, it was their own fault. The fact was that the landed interest must join w jilt the agricultural interost, and require of ministers firmly and effectively that they should reduce taxation.—(Cheers.) If that requisition should nut sneered, then the country would be tit a delefill Mate indeed. This was an alarming situation, its truth; bet if his proposal did not meet the difficulty, w by then lie was prepared to say that they must go to the funds. (Hear.) Soniethime inust be resorted to, by way of remedy or relief !and lithe fonds is ere avail able, lie hardly saw what, in such a distressing conjecture of alleles, was to tat e them harmless. (Hear.) The whole of this subject, however, was to come forward that evening in alit/tiler shape. lithe hon. gent. was to bring it on was sincere ial his itiotioll lie W::5 usually a supporter of lajesty's niiiiisters, who had shown no great disposition to consider the matter with favourable attention), the important question would receive an ample and careful discussion. Let the house See, however, what was the result. If they did not do as they might, why, the country st inevitably sink from bail to woi,e. What credit was due to tee hon. gent. himself (Mr. Gooch), he (Mr. Coke) knew taut. Whether his inleniiolas Were sill. eerie or his motion was a mete delusion, by means of an understanding between the lion. gene mind ministers, it aas i ii ,p o3s ibi e t o say ; but lie looked upon the professed object as perhaps the most vital and the most pressing which they euuld possibly consider. The hon. gent. then moved that this petition be brought tip. The petition was brought up, read, and ordered to be printed. ARMY ESTIMATES.—LoraI CASTLEREAGH said, that the required returns had bece presented, but the army estimates would be brought forward on Friday instead of Wednesday. RECEIPTS AND F.EPENDITERF.—Mr. MAREII LEY brought forward his motion ell the condition of the Fi nances of the country. lie had always understood that the base of expenditure was et:moony, He thought that considerable ecouomy might be effected ; and it lie sue. seeded in showing thus much, lie thought the ministers would be bound to attend to economy, or to give way to those who would attend to 81161 weans, lie was, nn. donbleilly, for keeping faith with the public creditor, it possible; but he maintained that such faith could only be kept by resorting to the most rigid erununiy. (Hear.) He,then proceeded to colonist the recent expenditures of the country with these of 1791, complaining, however, of the voluminous and complex chatactur tat the Finance accounts—accounts from which lion. members found it difticelt, if nut impossible, to collect what were the real amounts of the animal teceilds and expences of the coml. • try. A plaits deeolitlt 01 distinct sums would be really useful to the members, and lie was surprised tiro the house did not require such distinct account. 'file ex. pence. of the civil and military gove iiiiii ent for 1820 was 26,1.11,0.;01.—f0r 1792 the expences were 15,930.0004 including the pay Metal Of the interest of the debt. Mr. Pitt had estimated the whole expenditure of Me at 16,000,0001. The whole expenditure of 1840, saying nothing of the debt, the payment of the interests of which was 11101111C11 lie 1792, presented such differetice • the interest of the funded debt alone was upwards of 46,000,01101. He then proceeded to notice the expendi tin e fur Ireland. The .11110111 a of the whole supplies for 1792 did not amount to the charge of the one Relit 110 wit it Was upwards of 4,0c0,13301.; the army for 18.31 was upwards of 9,00u,0011. (Hear, hear.) There WWI a dif ference of beyeed 10,000,11001. bete test the actual expen diture of the two periods. Large establishments had grown up with the war; and lie knew it was ditlicult to cot them down—bat cut down they mast be, if they meant to keep faith with the public creditor. Peace was the only time to accomplish such reductions—and they alone could set the finances right. There were many extrava gant ekpentlllttres that must be (entailed t—for in many 111,tatlee8 the collection of the duties cost 231. per cent. — Could they not be collected far inure economically? all would admit, that the seveinte could lie collected at a far . cheaper line. (Hear, hear.) There had been finance - repot ts, and they, or the Chancellor of the Exchequer through them, said that the annual estimates laced nut exceed About 17,0.0,0001. but the estimates of 1820 were lti,taio,thrti. and between the estimates and the actual charge there was a difference of 1,80o,0)01. Tile reports contained the theory of ceutionly, the estimates Displayed its practice; and Considering the reduction of prices, he maintained that the repo ts ()tight to hese advised a still greater reduction, namely, one million snore. (Ilear.)— The buttes est ut the debt was Oil the Means of the conatry as 23 per cent, the indirect taxes as 24, per emit. NMI the DAM:DuII mist take place in the 22‘ per eieut.-1u the milli tet taxis economy alone could sate' tilt - 111j With. out it Die) Cutfhl out pay the Illteuest of the debt, atiti nothing shut t 01 bankrupt 1nt.411, imigUt to Mince them to thuils of Vtulatitag the patine latlu. (Cheers.)—lie Con cluded with moving that it was expedteut to repeal the window duties, Alt e r an animated discussion, in which the Chancellor uf the Exchequer, Mr. Ricardo, Mr. niberiy, jillitur, (who spoke to opposttont to the seoliments of Mr. M. sea.) Ae. took part, tile illeuse divided. The numbers writ.—Fur the motion B.;—against it 109.—Alajotity against It 26. AdJoill tied at eleven o'clock. WEDNESDAY, INARCM 7. LA cesiii U. J.l.d presented a petition trim Nathan Bradhurst, confined in Lancasterjoil, staring, that the petitioner had been taken up on a char h e of treason, nut via, tried Inc modeinearmr, and tumid guilty, a beiatented to two )earn' i iii i mammon. Ills weal Ullellee Witt. bewg a hat Ala'. Pitt and Load Castleicagti had been byline hllll-11 iteruilhel ; and besides LOIS ileprisUlithelii. he was Subjected lu u tamely of Arievancc,. Hi, letters were all opened—lre was confined in a damp cell, a here there has lieu rite chair nor wide ; the jailor w.i, autos bebrie; and pi:ldiom r nail sunipelted to work, ur be deprived of past oh Ills alltla mice. Mr. 11010 i UY defended the jailor, submitting that his character was excellent, and stated, that the rule, of the psibou had been agreed to b) Judge thi)ley• As to the opeumg of the letters, that was a passer that was esseutial to the gaud govecumeut of the castle.