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--- ( Imperial Periodos:4 cowhand from rye 227.) House did not think proper to interfere further in this business. Sir it. \S ILSON 04AM hs a4reeil to the resolution to a cer tain extent. The house, however, ought to protect its members, for all members were not ready to perform the parts of Chili atars—to light their way into and oat of the sanctuary of justice. Sir R. FLRGUSON ;ainented th it Mr. Hope had introduced . a quotation from the lieeicou, affecting Mr. Stevenson, which be Low contradicted in the most unqualified manner. Mr. BROUGHAM was as anaious as any man could be to terminate this business as speedily as possihle, if that could be dose with justice to their privileges. Ile did not view the breach as a technical breach of privilege, as some w ere disposed to think of it. It was no such thing. He was reluetant to speak on the subject, but setting mule all squeamishness, as far as regarded that house, it was impossible not to say that ruie conduct had been control ted. Tire enquiry (promoted by Mr. Aliercromby '1 bail as yet only just commenced ; but what had Mr. (lope, who was on his trial, done ?--It was a gross mistake to say that a mere technical breach of privilege bad been com mitted, for Mr. Mope had undertaken to insinuate motives. In that house they would not allow unfair and malignant motives to be imputed; and yet ale. Hope accused Mr. Aherorovibv of that unfairness, of which be at the same time was conscious. 'I hat would not be endured in that house ; the Speaker would bare inettotly celled the ()Wender to order. Aud was a person .cat of doors to be per.uithed, with impunity, to charge a mem ber with conscious unfairness t Mr. hope had left the most important part uueupluined ; he had not denied that his ulterior views were to provoke Mr. Abercromby to a breach of the peace. Lord BINNING said, lie had hoped that they were nearer the end of this uupleasent business thin now appeared to be the case. Mr. ABERCROMBY expressed himself satisfied with Mr. Hive's statements and explanations. At the same time lie was unaware of the facts which he hail asserted about Mr. hope's signature. If lie hail known the mode of the Scotch bar as to the signatures, lie would not have made the remarks. Lind A. lIAMILTON made some few observations. After 110111 e further remarks the question was put, and the resolution of Mr. Courteuay having been adopted, Mr. Hope was called io. The SPEAKER informed Mr. Hope that the house, in con sideration of the particular circumstances of the case, and the explanation he lied given, the huase had determined to proceed no further, but bad ordered him to be discharged. Mr. Hope bowed sod retired from the bar. On the motion of Mt. CoURTENAY, Mr. Menzies was then called to the bar. The SPEAKER stated to him the former proceedings of the house, as regarded the atatement in The Courier newspapet, and put it to Mr. Menzies to acknowledge or disclaim that pub lication. Mr. Menzies ackeowledged the fablication to be his, but at the same time assured the house he bud not the mostdistant in tention of chewing any disrespect to the house, or infringing their privileges. His address to Mr. Abercromby, and that gentlemen's answer to it were before she public. Ile had Dever iutendcd to comment on Mr. Abercromby's speech, but merely on the report of it iu the newspapers. — Mr . Abercromb y 's answer had been perfectly satisfactory to him, and his subse quent remarks were directed to the editor of the Cornier, and not to the hon. member for Banff. Mr. Menzies w`as then ordered to withdraw. Mr. COURTENAY then put it to the house to say, whether Mr. Menzies apology or explanation was satisfactory. Mr. BROVCRAM and several other other members expressed themselves satisfied with the explanation, and The SITAR:CR, upon the house adoptir ' e a resolution to that n ect, directed that Mr. Menzies should be discharged. He was discharged accordingly. Colonel DAVIES rose to put • question to the noble marquis opposite. A Turkish frigate was now previdipg itself with arms and stores in the river. It was a friaile i , 60 guns.— It win now receiving guns. warlike stores, and above all a British crew. He had been on board of this frigate a few days ago, and had been informed that there were 14 or 15 English officers, 250 English sailors, and 31 Turks. He asked whether it was the intention of Minis'crs to allow this gross etiolation of t heir own law against foreign enlistment ? , The Marquis of LONDONDERRY could assure the pliant officer that the object of government was to maintain perfect wenn elity. The frigate iu question had come to this country from the Paclia of Egypt with such remains of antiquity as were valued in this country before the breaking out of the war between the Turks and the Greeks. She had not come as a ship of war, but bringing antiquities and a cargo of linseed. 1 Pacha of Egypt had made a request, as he had a title o snake, that two frigates might be purchased fur him in this country. The request had been refused, and expressly because it would be RA; infraction of our neutrality. Then the vessel vow in the river was to be refitted. How far that vessel haviag come to this country, not as an armed vessel, but with a com mercial cargo, could be connected with the laws or neutrality, Was a different question. She was to he returned by us, not as nu armed ship. The question next was as to the crew, there being nut crew euough of Turks to navigate her. Mr. Brydges, the agent for tbe frigate, applied for perinisaion to employ Eughsh sailors. No objection was made to employing English sailors to navigate Ler to Malta, the Pacha taking charge of her from that place, but the disposition was to man her with a foreign crew. the house would then understand, first. that the Government bad positively refused purchasing two frigates —in the next place, that the ship was disarmed ; and further, that military stores and guns had been refused. Col. DAVIS begged to say, that be had been told by the secohil in command, that 25# sailors, with their officers, were to be engaged ; that warlike stores were to be obtained, and that she was fitting out against the Creeks. This was no branch of confidence on his (Colonel Davis's) part, for there had been a lerge party on board, and the second in command had rather made a boast of it. The Marquis of LONDONDERRY said he had made in qiiiey at the Foreign and Colonial Offices, awl bad lenrnt be had now stated. If the agent was doing any thing incon ,aistent with neutrality, the government were not aware of it. Sir J. MACINTOSII reeretted that the hour was so late when he had to ask a question of tbe nol.le lord. He wi-Led to kiinw whether zany communication whatever in any respect relative to the recognition of the South /Lutetium states had been made to Spain 1 The Marquis of LONDONDERRY said, there w ere ques tions pending between this country and Span ; whether they might lead to one result or another on the subject alluded to, be could got now aT. W lien the discussion should come on, be might be able to explain farther. The Loose having resolved into a Committee of Supply, We Allowing sums were moved and granted For the Charter Schools in Ireland The f e ssairllinA Hospital 39,0091. IQlll6lllkie ~~- -s-r: The As. pagatiou of To the the in Ireland Ir la aid of in lreladbel, To the F children 7,6001. n i asi v For the au, nooth, 8,1)281. For the Coe For the Rol In aid of e' For the To the Commissioners for Lions, 5001. To male printing and The other oe house adjourned A member bitant of Uf of ndminist Mr. LUSi_ missioners appoints- , empire revesue.—Ordered to be printed. . Mr. P. MOORE presented a petition from the inaltstere of Coventry, against the Beer Retail Bill. Petitions against the Beer Trade Bill were presented from Huntingdonshire, Dorking, 11pehester, Ipswich, Newcastle, New Sarum, zsc. (Ordered to be printed. Mr. F. PALMER presented .a petition from an individual named Pegg, who bad, als•st four years ago, built a IniusiLiu . Devonshire street, Bethnal Green, intending it for a l pubM. house, but who had applied in faiu for a licence to eta house. He therefore prayed for an amendment of the licensing system. KING'S BENCH PRISON.—Mr. G. BENNET presented • petition from Col. Bayley, now a prisoner in the King's Beach prison, complaining of the conduct of the jailor, &c.—Early in the next session lie should bring in a bill to regulate the fees, &c. of this prison. Read and ordered to be piloted. .. Mr. HUME moved fur accounts of further advances •f Es chequer Bills, under the 57th of the late King, for public works, &c. being a continuation of a former account.—for account of Bibles. &c. printed, being a continuation of an account ordered in 1815.—Ordered. Mr. ABERCROMBY gave notice,.tbat on Tuesday next he should move for copies of correspondeee with the Lord Advo cate ; and of Mr. Hope's opinion in Bortbwick's case, dated March 18. Mr. LUSHINGTON moved the third reading of the Receiv ers' General Bill. Mr. Alderman WJOD said, this bill bad hitherto been pro moted at lute hours in the evening. Mau) , ieceivers were to he maintained at an ekilennita,of upwards of -10001. while several persons, a Mr. Barber in particular, had undertaken to collect taxes to the amount of two millions for low. 13e must divide the house if the bill were pressed now. Mr. LUSHINGTON remarked that there wairothing in this bill to prevent the Government from listening to the proposal of such ineiv idual. Mr. 111,51 E said, if the government really desired to promote economy, they might get Mr. Everett and others to act as re ceivers for less than 2,0001. a year, the preseut cost being 11 or 12,0001. • year. Mr. MONCK trusted that the government would attend to this matter. Mr. Alderman WOOD observed, that if the government would undertake to have the taxes collected for 2,0001. a year be should have no reason to complain. Read a third time and passed. Mr. BROUGHAM moved the second reading of the retail cf Beer Bill. The hen. member spoke of the deteriorated quality of the beer in the course of the last thirty years, which was mainly owing to the tax. It was not the quassia—it was not But noxious ingredient—but it was the exciseman's bawl that affected the quality, and diminished the quantity consumed. The duty had done s good deal of mischief. They lied di minished some of the duty ; the duty was now about 20s. where it was 325. IMfor 7, but they had not yet got baek to the 10s. But though the was in his w ay on one side—he was found the brewers arraye on the other hand. The retailing of strong beer was at present particularly limited by licese to the " small" beer, which, God knew, had a very prOpetV . (a laugh), there was no licence required forits sale ; but heeadeilk have a inure powerful weapon than small beer before he he successfully attack the many-beaded monster, the gin-shop.. The laws professed to put down tippling, or to attempt it, and yet a man could not get a pot of porter without going to • pub tic-house. As to the brewers iuterest, of which so much had beau said, lie denied that the law secured to them the mono poly for which they now contended.—(Hear ! ) A complete mouopoly, however, had grown up -,..it had gone to such ex teut that in one instance, • out of dineuses in one distiiet, there was only one of them that did not belong to brewers. — The reason was that there were limitations that were irjurious to the public ipteresta. The brewers basing thus got the com mand of t s flitonel by which means they supplied the mouth, the quality-leas gradually reduced—portions of the malt with • drew, and portions of the hops followed; so that the beverage was no longer ulkat Buniface could " eat, drink, and Sleet) upon."—lle concluded with moving the second reading. 14r. F. BUXTON said, that this was a most injurious bill.— Tie bon. mover himself did not know what must be the effect of this bill. It would ruin 30,000 persons, who had now 30,000,0001. engaged in the trade. Ile was aware that the brewers had been objects of suspicion, whether truly or not, be would not stop to inquire ; but in their alleged criminality, the publicans lied no participation, The brewers might mix the beer improperly--but the publicans bad no participation iu such proceedings ; the brewers might have enormous profits— but the publicans did not come in for a share of them-mthe breweraillight have an overwhelming capital; but wha t benefit did the Iffiblicans deriv e from it ? All lie desired was, that the public should not be punished fur the sins of the brewers. As to publicans giving we/ le the public wants and com forts, he denied that they could warrant this vonliscation with out securing individuals from losses. But not only would they be injured—the revenue awl the morals of the country would greatly suffer. But be the arguments in favour of the bill strong an they might, ii any strong arguments could be additei.(l in its rapport, lie thought at el events such bill ought not to le urged at so advanced a period of the session. Mr. II LSKISSON said, lie was by no means convinced of the wholly detrimental character of the bill by what hail been said by the boo. member who last addressed the boom ; be ( Mr. H.) however, thought so important a bill ought.uot to be poopnned till the nett Session. Alderman WOOD spoke against the Bill, misleading that it „ r uted it. air J. MACKINTOSH proposed. that it should be en ie. strockjam to the Committee to divide the bill into•sto, and avoid the objectionable part. Mr. BRIGHT opposed the bill shoed * Mr. DEN . MAN.csid, that dlppgil he w .with "the meths of Hg:Sill, as waxlike situation ben, W would still oppoWit, 'because he thought the present rod of the isemarittoo late for its introduction. TPe Marquis of LONDONDERRY lamented that non sidtbastion of this measure had not been brought before the notice of Parliament at an earlier period of the sense. ; but contended. that it ou;lit nut to prevent them from sEopting s measure H. their vith 'MON. re- 14 pupil. .4 tin Mr. Ilr tie opposed the motion. .osr The gallery was cleared for a division, when it appearedthat only lit members were present ; the booms aoaSequeadf act* jouroed at two o'clock. X FRIDAY, JULY 19. • co l a:l ,h p ! ai i n t in e e g se o of Salt i h t e s risie g D u w t a i e s s e . Mr. PRENDERGAST presented a petition from Galway to adjourn to Moaday. . i. Mr. LCSHINGTON presented the Greenland Fisheries Acta Amendment Bill. Read a first time. The Commercial Credit (Ireland) Bill went through • Cont• mittce. •Iteport on Monday. The Report og the Committee on the Irish St** Acts (58 Geoege 111.. 68) was presented ; agreed to, and a Bill ordered accordingly.' The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER moved third reading of the Royal Burghs Bill. Mr: HUME.—I did not expect this Bill to come on so soon —1 have not my aniendineots ; I must run and get my amend ments.—{Some laughter, especially as the lion. member with considerable agility immediately left his seat in pursuit of hie amendments.) The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said, he would not press such an order now, especially as it would be •to the inconvenience of the hoe. member. He moved the third read ing ofb the Salt Duties Repeal. f Mr. GBANT spoke of the hardships that would be inflicted on the nisq,ufacturers of kelp in the Highlands by this bill. Mr. CaMtaft and the Chancellor of the Exchequer admitted that some injuries would result to particular interests from all repeals of taxes. Read a third time trod passed. The House went into a Committee on the late Queen's Ser. vents* Pensions Bill. Mr. HUMS/gain pressed ow the Chancellor of the Exche quer the nedreqply of paying such allowances front the Penalise List. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER objected to the proposition, on the ground that a cousiderable time might elapse before a vacancy occurred. Read a third time, passed, and ordered to the Lords. &taco llcrtGoseu the third reading oldie Royal Burgh A cc ounts Bill, sv:, Mr. HUME, in the absence of the member for Tavistock, moved an amended clause, that the Accounts' Appeals be re -Irred to the Court of Session instead of th e Coma of Excite uer, as was proposed by the bill. *lt was negatived without a division. The Bill was then passed. The Burgin.' Magistrates' Residence Bill having been read a third time, Lord BINNING proposed a new clause by way of rider, as to the residence of the members of the Council, recluiring that they should resiide w ithin three miles. Mr. HUME thought the noble lord's clause did not go far enough, and submitted one which lie had prepared, and which proposed that all the members of the Town Council should lis resident within the limit before atated. Mr. ki.. Douglaa and the Lord Advocate supported Lord Btu fling's clause. The gallery was then cleared. We understood that Lord Binning 's clause was agreed to without a div ision. Mr. Ilume's disuse, however, was lost upon a division, the numbers being 41kFor the clause, 20—AviiiNt it, 21i—Majority 6. Lord BINNING presented a petition from Journeymen Printerfi, cumplainiug of having been discharged in consequence of the evidence they bad adduced before a Consinittee of the House' the inhject of stationary, public printing, Cx.o. edt ? coon with the House mad the government departments. 10 UM I :mid this was a very serious case. If this were to be endured, if individuals were to be discharged fur giving evidence before the Cinumittee, what hope was there that pe relations could be exposed ? The witnesses hail been threat- coed to he discharged, if they attended to give evidence. Head, and ordered to be printed. CONSI:I.t> AT 4SIIAZILS, &c. — Lord LONDONDERRY es.- pressed his astoeishillint at an address moved by an Yon. 10ii.,12.t her(Mr. Ilutne)llooparcedini; evening. if , • and oartiod, alt. t a VII 4 # A 1111 • . lb - 1 , lONA 1, ItEIMISTER ~,, s 1- lit Ilitt -,—,---- ...._...-- .ociation for Siscountenaneing vise, and for thdo. would be very 'hu - , of al f Christian knowledge in Ireland 8,4841. very meritorious . 'l ' - si , *4l' the society for promoting the eyhmation of the er some remark 7 seek, . ... 10,0001. - 431t0U let -should empsiesetti . • . i f the s k pported by vollntery contributions Pk retied vie , w She bin • .•*. ,0001. G ...., He, however, ebou it f . .. air, 0 • , 4 HHibernianr, Iv, for the education of lets' r strenoloBed ever ,6001. ....eS , jai, from all an Marine Society 1, 0001 . reusury to • • 1.4 . support of the Roman Catholio seminary at May- and Is. duties, by eremite of • - .4. 281. strong andoinall beer. •" • • 4 *' 'V ' V ' .. Cork Institution, 2,00 01 . The CHANCELLOR of th e EXCHE I t. ''' -6 6 Royal Dublin Society, 7,0001. ther been ~.„_i els phew under • "' w -5. • ,1 the Farming Society in Ireland, 2,5001. tim . :01Wd be . , t semethlng would he date .. '''" i'• .t• ,- . . .„pc. . ... Royal Irish Academy, SOW. that would lea.' , . -. I ad, 4 and ahrel the re .; tree. va,- - ':, Commissioners for inquiring into bequests and done - templated by the .'• "'Wed le her. 1. • The bill watt wit ".c" . I; ,* e good the de fi ciency of the vote (for 1821) for Mr. 1.1 IL3I 1' rid stationery fur liuhliu-castle, B§IV. oingdPoo a Corn . .. weiseature WA, A nd o er orders ofAhelenu were then enriPlt osed of, d the in cloak so, entered at le a o• d f the mealn}jrar Attired at twateicroek. t' Sir J. MACKINTOSH opposed the 1411.. :Swim inoginjest THURSDAY, JULY 0. in its provisions, 'duce it went le deprive the Canada. of their "' ;',.., .. present representative system, and to give them an entire new - 7. 4 a her presented • petition from Mr. *ley, an 'ohs- Constitution, and that without ever tionsuilinalhe parties int- b. . ipper Canada, pruying for au enquiry into the mode mediately concerned. al. treriug justice in that province. 0., Mr. ELLICE defen d the bill. `SHINGTON presented the second report of the corn- Mr. CALCRAFT opposed it. t appointed to empire into the mode of collectiug the Sir J. MACKINTOSH proposed. that it should be as is. ss, . - which would confer upoositie Canadas great advantage. I therefore truattM tbat pie hon. gentlemen would withdraw th opposition, • R tmllir the bill to go into a committee, noted standing the Maness of the sesriou. Mr. CALCRAFT esplaioed. After a few words from Mr. BERNAL - toil Mr. T. WILR who opposed the meanie; Mr. WILMOT replied. The house then divided npoirthe segos. when the pettefl were—For going into .- committee 4. be it Lt if iajgrity 1. thesouirl, • Tb ilLIr erried trilt the omemittetp end the port was or. received en Tuesday nest. The Irish 6 eirtßill was read a third time wed peas The LORD t VOCATE moved the third reeding of Scotch Burghs' Bill. . . . ' I - t a ..";• v • ti I i r < 1 -:,, I i P g