The National Register. — London, England, 1821-05-20 00:00:00

had bees made to the home by miehten of the crown.— They had sot bees supported by any evidence that had beers adduced either at York or before the Oldham Jury ; the wart leads if stews, and the trampling ender foot of magis trates, appeared to have lied no foeadatiee io truth. He hoped they were nut made with a view of &lodise that bees,. Be that fact, however es it might, the elect bad bees that the most piteous timed' were made apes the essmitetion. By tbesit acts, a new coestisstrea was Is. posed epee the country r—is 1819 that was nodose that had bees ellseied W INC—Darter all these eiremmtasees, be maiellined, that If the home kidney regard fee (bander, if they dee& any thing of self estimation, or et the god dee of the world, they at lees* would dem iand that bigwig should be lastitsted kite the deeds of the 16th et Anwar- The registry could never be satisfied till such inquiry was instituted ; till it tout place be men madder the admisim 'ration as stained with the transaction ottbst day, an which there were twice as many killed aid wounded as there were Weer fret, when Admiral Jervis (new Lord St. Vincent) heat the French. These were upwards .1900 killed and worraded, evadable of men, weave, sod children; and secovdieg to the law of Gad, ea whi ch law of man was founded, the spilling of balsas blood nest he accounted for. He trussed that the home would see that its character re quired that inquiry should be instituted; and he therefore concluded (amidst loud cheers) that the house resolve itself into a committee of Inquiry into the conduct of the yeo. vinery and might racy at Manchester on August 16, 1819. Mr. HOBHOUSE seconded the motion. Mr. B. WILBRAHAM rose to oppose the motion as en sect:teary. The hoe. member entered into an extended view of the transactions which took place at Manchester on the day la question.aad read a member of depositions made by latividuals to 'hew that the state of the town and neighbour hood was such as justified the magistrates in the line of con duet they had adopted. These depositions described the fears of the deponents, on account of the condor t of the radicals, their training, exerehing, dm. as so great, that they could not rest in their beds. The conduct of the mob was itch as fully justified the magistrates in calling in the aid of the military, who were grossly insulted by them. The riot. act be said, was read by a magistrate from the window—by •Mr. Ecelesione ; but this not being deemed milkiest, another magistrate, Mr. Slimier, read it in the street. Mr. BENNETT —Has be made an allidamt to this efect ? (Cries of " Order I") By a somber.—Has he sworn it ?—(Order, order I) Mr. WI L BRAH AM resumed, and proceeded to read warl ess depositions, stating that moues and ether missiles were thrown at the soldiers; but the meeting was not skimately dispersed because it was riotous, but because it was decidedly an illegal assemblage. Mr. Helm was kaocked of higher,* sad 'early killed. Hs might be asked why this evidence was sot brought forward daring the trial at York the reams was that the learned judge narrowed the questlea. and very properly, to the coaardevatitin ef the legality or illegality of the meeting, and the limy, after the fullest cow sidemtioa. found a verdict ofguilty. Lord MILTON next addressed the house. His boa. friend had spoken of the testimony of some of the wit ' names at Hones trial, and stated that one of them Barlow, bad spoken in his affidavit before the magistrates of thr: quantity of stones and brickbat,. which were on the grossed. Now it was siegelar that this penes had sever unendorsed a weed of Ibis in his evidence at York. How could his amount en both occasions have beam so diferest Who bad spoken the truth in either t How could such feed as were said to have been ewers to before the magistrates by this witness have escaped the sagacity of his hon. and learned friend (Mr.licarlett) who had conducted the case ? There was moonier witness (Dunthorpe) who had in his deposi. ties, said that he heard one of the persons going to the triweetiag declare that they would come in such force as to overcome all the civil and military authorities : but the person who it was sworn had said this was Wilde, one of the acsnsed. At the trial in York the learaeJ judge--a judge, of wheal he never thought or spoke, but with love sad veneration (loud cheers), from what be knew of him both is a public and private character—had said that there was no evidence *eldest Wild. Would there have been no evidence if Duntliorpe had been examined 1.- (Haar. bear.) Would there have beau none if Miller and *Wan had there swore what the houourable gentleman bad row referred to as their testimony ? But if those per sons bad been called, their cross-examination might have gone to negative the facts which they were now cited to prove. All be cared lot was that no e recedent should be established by the non-interference of parliament to lead to military Instead of civil authority being retorted to in this country. Mr. WILMOT spoke in justification of the Manchester magistrates, and concluded by saying, that the blood that was shed en that occasion, if it was shed by the magistrates in the exercise of a sound discretion, was nothing more than the exercise of justice on an extended scale. (Loud cries of “ Hear," from the opposition, and repeated by the mi. sigerial benches.) Mr. DENMAN should be well content to leave the quern Doom stated by the hun. member for Wow:taster, and by bis noble friend the member for Yorkshire; for outstations& let what bad fallen from the ether two gentlemeti who had taken part in the debate, he could not conceive that the home did not feel &Wahl's:out at the silence preserved by kis Majesty's wielders. against whom each grave charges had berm brought, ad had been allowed to remain unrefined.— The boa. member for Dover had stated that it might be pos sible that in the alarm of the element the magistrates ,had eneimitted certain arts which required meekly. To that plea be should bare had no oldectioal but It was not au* a question of apology, bit of praise —ant a "esti°s of in. diligence, bid of reward. Assam losossesbis issitsaboo had said that the isnlivisleals who had ssillersd so the Mb of August were to be oeusidered as having mitred Wier the sword of justice. (Hear, hear.) Innehdeetreues were net immediately reprobated. all the inagistestes who were warmed and encouraged by his 1= would go into the country with that sword la their sod !kWh it in the bosom of their countrymen 'however a questioeshle meeting nab in their neighbourhoo d, ad they had a military force to buck their iaterfereuce. (Cheer.) With regard to the Manche-ter massacre, be considered it to be an event whi, war more deserving of compaudon thou of beiag held up to tbeCOUrts as on example worthy of Imitation. ne offered the magiwtriites who *cull on that occasion his compassion for having be. n mode tb. itudrunieuts for the slaughter of their fellow country mei', but withheld from thew his praise. —He cared little whether the depositiour which the bon. member had rend were made at the time w hen they were said to bare been made, or whether the tint Oct had been Had to the multitude, because they had not been put iu trvideuce sit the trial at York. It 0:6 govvis::t.inl could hull proved there citcmiustuuctv, be hod au doubt they THE NATIONAL REGISTER • would ; for he could not for a wesneot admit tie came wade for the learned judge, who bad presided at that trial, that he, to prevent a waste of time, had not suffered those questions to he gone into. They wisteuk 1118 character of the peewee of England, if they thought teat they did Not feel the Wary which they then seared, became they did net lowly reprise their deep nose of it,— The Is they said mantle,/ it, the were they felt.— Seem people Magid that mow* had bees said upon this onfertemsto affair, and that it es& sew to he forgette• altogether. If it could bare boesfmgattes Iron gm sirs, he obeell have been h.ppy ; but it amid not be forgotten —he*. government bad recited the memery ark fee tbek Mal pogrom. They had pre mete his limourahle fries/ i and whoa verities opposissilise had meowed of Mktg that peeessatioa sleep, they bad persevered through all Its stagns, mos tbeagi eqs of the Judge* had declared that the held had takes pew in a county where the Comet had no jnikdietios. 11a bon. sneaber coa t:laded by Malin, OM die eassteN If the beam steadily refused all Inquiry, tosidd be emerimed that it was play lag the gam of them who wished tis degrade and destroy It.—(Cries of hoer.) The SOLICITQWCIENERAL dialed the proceedings at Manchester had takes pkee under the authority of knew nothing of them till they were Mr. PHILIPS (of Manchester), after am eulogium on the character of the Rev. Mr. Stanley, read a letter from him, rabidly to the events of the lath of August, and to a narrative he had given of them. It was decidedly Mr. Stanley's opinion, that the warroots might have bons res ented without the aid of Ike military: he also spoke in his narrative most decisively as to the ill levitates. Mr. Heat had received, and to the cruelty of the military to the mob. Upon the whole view of the ease, without entering more at large into it at this late bear, he thought tbe mo lion of the hoe. hart. highly expedient. When the hon. gent. teemed his seat, the cries of question Weenie general. Sir R. WILSON mowed that this debate be adjourned till to-morrow. (No. so—quisslieeedjourn.) The SPEAKER pet the qisestioy that the debate be ad jeansed till toweerrew. The OHANCII4.OI et the EXCHEQULit wade a aegis remark, net milli he the weetesioa of the bens s after which the mina ter ad adjesraeseat et the Mile was tarried without a elvisisa. The oboe ardses et the day were thee gate &rough afterwards, dle 'Wise id)earsed at three We.leek. irmidasess, war 11. Newt/serer SWUM Vaasa re.4lr. Demises eat Ilk R. *llene beth preamwed gbeamelms at the setae time to the Chair, toddle' op psi' I. their heads s and at the some time Mr. H. isdier was es his loge, as de soloed et the Newiwitest Meet Vestry "IL The SPEAKER appealed to the hewn for proteetlea— He weld oaly take the eases et the members as they ap peared es the paper. Mr. H. SHUN ER coatteweitaa ids ("Clo es,go ea") He said he now applied for the third time. During their lost sittings the committee had assembled for eight deys. hat they had dome madly. He mow feared that the menaiedet of the maim would not afford lime teethe dismiss of the bill; sod he threfere deemed it right to roosting that there were imams where eammiume had been disobeyed. He did wet hour of any case where racks bill Whoa. tom omitted to the whole house—but he had sow to suggest the propriety of the appointment of a mew ernemitree—(Hear, hear),—or of committing the bill to the whole Imre. It would be recollected that the coodnetiag of a bill before the home was expensive; diesswapeases bad hen incurred during eight days, whoa noddy Iwitloo• done. His tint modems therefore. would be that the siemosittee be discharged. Mr. Denisoo rose before the motion had been ppt. The SPEAKER —Do you weed the motion ? Mr. DENlSON.—Certainly mt. The question having been put, Mr. D. said, that his hoe. eelteague was so accus tomed to majorities, that wheuevethe happened to be out voted, he immediately came to the hove with his complaints on tits sabject.--(Cheera and Inaghter.)--The hen. member then went iota a history of some of the meetings at Newing ton, übserviug. that one of theta eettainly was rather noisy. As to the support which the bill received from the parish, that the rental amounted to 84,0001. of those opposing it; 3.3001. wits the amount of the rental of the bill's supporters; and that -diminished amount desired to have fur Ilk, and without control, the management of rates and watch 30,0001. and the Khig's taxes 25,0004 Here then was the principle of taxation without representation. As to the bill its prin ciple was uajeat and soconstitutiooal ; and he should avail himself of every opportunity that presented itself to op pose it. Mr. SYNC expressed the opiates that the committee on the bill ought to be revived. As to the proceeding is the late committee, he was opposing au innendmeat, wises the chairman immediately appointed his a teller. Mr. Aid. WOOD said, he moved the at it eeemsee t to ge t rid of the ludas. Sr t hat day, but with no view of getting rid of the sonnelleise. He submitted. that whether the mere A rmless atlbesaalessae were to be takes, without proofs aid skims shims I sod whether the house could without say regent to Its-members and character. agree to censers the late committee. by appointing any select committee. Mr. MA BERLY opposed the memos, There bad been delay sod cattalos. bet the embalms was Illaialy screamed by the heel. chairs's. lessead of,sitting Mill and hearing Ge question Redo the, members, the claimers became a Oldster en ell points. Hence arose puss of the coattail/N. Mr. 0. HINE ETT said the hill was 'job, a reakjeb; It was the laticusesherst job l mod he would cell k lieligellt 111/0 het ar: It wet eadeavoered to make it a party qmiellesse thet IYariejoritiei here Which was sure firiellist oboe Stairs. The hue. member might partially semeed Sr the preens ; but be hoped they should have the ity at no distant day of main the hue. member e *lsere whet was really their stale of their obligation' to him. (Hear, heir.) Sir it. K11.81:1)1 moved an adjoemnient. The gallery was then cleared for a division. The r....unbers were, for the adjournment I4—agaiost it 611. Lund J. RUSSELL presented a petitina from Weston Mattirld, of Cambridge, printer, pruyiug for the repeal of the law affecting libels in newspapers, as contained in elk telth of the 60th ut the late King, Mr. SHAW moved fur a select committee to uuquire late the prupricty of sepealing the window tax, so far us the !Witte regarded Ireland. The Marquis of LONDONI)E.ERY spoke nithnot the motion; alter %Mich it was ti gutivr.l without a diVisiois. blascusweit Eustaint....Tis• order of the any seems been read for the reitunitig of the adjourned di. hate en Sir I.llutdett's motions lii Sir L WILSON rem, sod spoke warmly is its sopport.— He maistaiood doe the Illoochester media, ass a legal ••• I that Radtke. weaned to storms* .o v im • diaper dos t issid.thist SW sexist to appose, the motliso foe eogoiry I if they wore Lubin dm rumple should have essegeesee le the boom. Sir W. OR CRISPIONY supported the media. Mr. P. GRERIIIILL said, that his opinions remained that they are when Mt supported the six eels, sad he these. firs could at 'hegira is the seam Mr. DERMAL hairier of the motion maiMeiaMß that away was a the people. Mr. H.TWISII evelended that no farther regain was eeeemary. Legal beedigatiee had takes pleat already. a grand Jay bed datided a the 'seam, a petty jury bed delivered a verities ea ih and here it aught to rah. Mr. HORROR'S the moths, sad coalaikd that it appeared from the accusers et Oa =farina* day, that the yeomanry were est attacked Ml they bed Int assaulted the people. The ha. wansker admitted is the misrepresestatias which hod yes abroad as the gulf est of the meeting of the litho( Attest—sus. to Agawam& of dig people their ham anathema and to the statetweele made by a able lord, one of the mielaws, .that single life had been lost to the =OM of that satoik whilst he held a catalogue of killed sad wounded his had Shag several pages. He also strongly ea deesped shaken far their letter of thanks to the yeomanry. aid coostaled that enquiry =ead meat be- granted, or the people woad all he The Mapes of LONDONDERRY catered at great lees* Isle a testilicaiee it the exploits of the lath of August, mud vegetate a OM motives which promple dike present meads ;Ise stated that he did not feel himself to the truth of that allnienest he had made la the reV i ee a former ocemilew..he deolared he amid net think of the events of that day without hie heart Heettia i r —kis loniship sat downamidst the Witham cheeriap of Use ministeria/ists. Kr. SCARLETT said be had no doubt that the noble lord's tweet* was well calculated for its purpose (cheers), and be Lad se desk het it would have its impression.— It was a speech mash mere of the assure of magic duos et ream. Lead owe.) If it bad not rasa la It, it had aaml weer. (Chan.) Lad his hardship seem. ed to he Ihe rudest theadeeer a the heasa...-(Lead sad repeated sheers.) If the eel& lad amid set Oak ef the Ireaseetiaa without fogey his Watt hisedinA si eesid he aerosotteive any watiee fee this sedum hat was maw, hese. end lasenelseent with he heemedly?—(Rear.)... (Kr. geonett) net ask why these wbe brought it ewani sight net he to feel their bean bleed We b at the Injuries and 'Nags of that day, and feel the Seaderest-lientanity as their moire 3—((lose.) Us =r es ent the eteeuntstaiseee which made IM beast laterrese asseemblese, who had asusteitlad see age" dispersed la a mane" se creel, lrespiod en. wounded, sad seem destined--eight be besioght before a *Midi Hems tMeseiL hum e d f i r e p our effriturit our Mew sultieele, cad teltionit nay to excite t for uatelt.--(Leed and repeated sheers.) nettle herd's anansar indicated the triumph he anticipated; hie eon& alas had arises from his kaewhadge of .the result. The learned gentleman hare leek a reelliiww of the horrid trams sedate et Peterkie u end esselnded by 'twig, that he should imbed Mak iR of the pimple of England, he should Jaded* emesider Ohm setwerthy o f the liberty which they eked, if a sheet yaw sad &lair cook] make them for- . get these wimp whit* according to the noble lord. made the heat of these who had had only read them bleed to the merest mere.—(Loud cheering.) The ATFORNEY-OHNEBAL reprobated the rocgi tithe of a question which had subsided. and contended that the immissent dangers of the country at that moment, justified the vielences et Manchester. Sir F. BUILDS TT was then generally called upon to re ply. He began by observing upon the pertinacious ingenuity with which the other side had coati ivcd to shut their eyes to the real question at issue. The speech of the able lord had bees nothing more nor lea them an accusation of Hie people of Hoagland; ytt the poises. be had endeavooredio establish was, that the parties its this proceeding were isjsred at Manchester, and the military that bad fallen upon them. le truth, however, the questioe was between the people of England, and the ministry or government t it was the pee. pie of Ragland who demanded tawdry, sad the government who resisted it. The real tresses to *bleb the sable lord had alluded was the axioms sat general wish of the nation to reform the parliament; and it was because the manse at *wheeler and others all over the cowry at that time, had this great nod laudable object is view, that it had etched the tenon of some and the animosity and hostility of others. Ministers were deeply implicated in this unhappy integre doe ; as yet making but garbled documents had been fee. sidled by them i and if it were tree. as the King had mere. cloudy told the Citizen, of London. that they amid know nothing of what had previously pored between hb nevem. and the magistrates, it was because all full and satisfactory is/urination was relined, and the instrectioa• gives to the magestratos, mid upon which they acted, were esetionsly withheld.—(Hear. hear.)—With re red to the lateness of period at which the motioa wits bro ught forward, he per haps might be to blame, bet still time tuolleh had 06 4 *UP" red to strip-the subject of all the fare colouring that was •altmopted to be given to it—of all the inventions and Mei. caliphs wish which 'cloth had been smothered. and idea the gross exaggerations of the stable lord and ahem. and tee which that noble lord had not thought it necessary a ape. ;seise. The hon. ban. went on to contend that the verdict at York did not and could cwt determine the point of law he to lift legality of the meeting I the object of which was to bring into hatred and contempt the government es by law established. For that otence Mr. Hunt had been sentenced ten pstaishment mere than commensurate to laic thanes, If they bed every one of them been proved. The Attorney Generalass men usually did when nailer the itilineuee of Pawioos bud recommended him (Sir F. Burnett) to be cool; he did net kiiii* that he lied betra) ed any great degree of beat dewing the debate 1 but if lie and done so, lie should have tbuugbl it most exctueohle nit u questiun of I is hied, wit •re the very liberties of the eider,) acre at stake. After castle* soar ridicule upon the i t dsisils produced by the hoeuurable member fur purer, tie hiiiiiiuratitc proceeded to make a rome.lt or two tin a but had fallen Gnus another huuuurable member (Mr. Wilrnut,) Kho, hi iia4sl. wee fur ea trodedjint ice but rcidricteil riara.4). The Milli? bird (Londonderry) had Used one untie tittle remarkable i be hail auid that he could arlr ui , nu She prcarlit totiorin lion of the Ware of Coniu.m. (lick , . He was couviiieed 'het the people were in au way hostile to in,titutians; but thr,:, theta'. Ives *Wilted to the idnistitatiou, and to .111 these li 6 ht.. *lnch the cos- (Fo► mfinketiun 4:c pate 114. over.