Star. — London, England, 1803-05-24 00:00:00

;~ f { 1! I • : A t):, i 5 i! pendenee which belonged to her, or whether She Sbould fubmit to the abfolute dilation of a French', Ambairador ? hut he could not accede to the pro pofition of a noble Viccount, that Malta alone would have been a rational ground for war, beeanfed if that ifland had been completely ceded to u s, it ' , would hate ain't ded a degree of fecurity infinitely! Short of shat we had a right to fined, and what it I ' l became nedeffary for us now to leek. The objedsl for which we had to cootend were of a wider and more imp ,, rtant nature. Our jealottfy and alarm was excited by that incntiigoble Ipirir of encroachment! and ambition whicl• not only the Firfi Conful, but in fad all the perfons connected with the Government,' of France had for fume time nianifeited ; and even. if Malta were adually in our hands in perpetuity,, we fliould not fit down contented until fume further' fecurity lbould be obtained. Of this the nation ought to be aware. If the lift of injuries and mani feftations of defign contained in the papers on the table were to be attended to, certainly Malta afford-I ed but one :nears of our Safety. It would, to be fore, contribute to the protation of Egypt, and through that of our Indian Empire ; but was 'Kit the 'Only point in which we were vulnerable? Were not the dates of Holland, Piedmont,and Switzerland jail fubjeds of our folicitude ? it was well obferved, that the power of France was the more formidable becaufe it was cnndenfed : but it was not therefore to be concluded that that connedion was not to be broken, and the idea was not to be entertained that that power was not to be overcome. It was not lefs ab turd than impolitic to propagate filch an opinion.— The f.,@ was, that from the prefent Rate of this coun try there was no option ; either the attempt to re duce that power mull be made, or the nation mull fall down to the moll allied and degrading fubmtf lion. The main object of the war, if it be either po pular or politic, mutt be to reftrain the arrogance, to reduce the preponderance of the French Govern ...anent; and until that objeft be attained the war Should not he abandoned ; until France fball not be capable of endangering our exiftence, whatever may be the difpolition of her Government to injure us.— Such ought to be the ohjed of the war, and fo it ought to be defined to the country. In fuch a caufe be was confident there was not a man in the Britith empire who thought jullly and felt like an Englith man, who would not devote his bell exertions. The people Mould be told that the poffeffion of Malta would not be fufficient to fatisfy the views of Govern :went; that much more was fought for—the material paint was to diminith the continental power of France, where he contended (be was vulnerable; for whatever noble Lords might fay of her extent, he would beg the Houfe to confider the nature of the Strange combination of particles which formed that extent, and it would ceate to be thought an objei2 of filch terrific magnitude. It was, in fad, quite com petent to Great Britain, with the refources, popula tion and fpirit She poltelfed, to bring this overgrown authority within reafonable bounds; but it muff be done by vigorous efforts, by a Short and decifive war, not by petty attempts with refped to Malta, or any comparatively inferior cbjed, or by any colonial ex-: peditious, calculated to cramp the energy and walk: the Strength of the country, but by a bold and ex-t tenfive exertion. If this plan were not purfued. was fate that the means of war would be exhaufted, without producing any of the advantages we had a right to look for, and therefore if it were not de termined on, it would he better that the country Should at once fubmit. However much he deprecat ed the thought of unmanly fubmillion, he would fay that unlefs the conceit were commenced with refolu tion and followed up with dignified intrepidity and promptitude, the country would meet its fate, and it would then be Stated with juilice that the pufillani- Thous would have no right to complain of adverfe for tone, and no claim to pity in their humiliation. He exhorted Minifters to Rudy the bell means of render ing the war of the nature he defcrihed. Let it not be a protracted. balanced war. They had for the laft year a deficiency of four millions in what they called a peace eftablifhment, and if to that deficit was to be added the expence to be incurred in the future eftablifkment of Malta, if annexed to this country, he would fay that it was utterly impnlfible the country could go on with fuer a deficit. A vigorous war that Should terminate the Rate which fubjeeted the coun try to fuch increafed expenditure would he much more preferable, for fuch a count mull tetd to ruin. This was the fentiment of an illuarimis Perfonage who had (Oaken in the couife of the debate, and who had deli- Tered his opinions in forth a (train as mull have confi. &Table influence on the feelings of the country. — That effete, fo defirable in the co efent crifis, a perfiin of Still higher rank would have contributed his fcnti menu, to produce (we tinderßood the Noble Lord to allude to the Prince Wale,), if a peculiar delicacy had not teftrained his ItoyalHighnefs from interfering, left his in terferenee fhoold ha ve had any undue influence, on the minds of their Lordfhips upon a fubjed in which the moil uobiaffed and deliberate confideration was fo material. Recurring to the linftile difpofition of the French Government towards this country, the Noble' Lord remarked, that before ally papers at prefent on the table had ever appeared, his mind was impreired with' the fulleft convteinn upon that point. Even before the treaty ofAmienswasfignedhe was of that opinion,and therefore in the courfe of the difcuffions refpeding it, be declined to give any opinion refpeding it, becaufe, however little he expeded that it would tend toproduce the aOual bleffings of peace, he could not permit him felf to offer any thing to damp the fatisfadion which prevailed among the people on the conclufinn of that treaty. It however appeared to him not only the day Minifters executed the treaty, but before and imme diately after. Into this oneilion he would not now enter. parti:nlarly as he rinderanod that the pene tration and condat of Mntiaers, in this and other iOnarICCS, was to be made the fobjed of confideration on a future day. The Noble Lord again urged the neceffity of endeavouring to render the war of Short duration, and this was not rattle, unlefs the minds and the refources of the nation were vigoroufly and jirdictonfly exerted—unlefs an appeal were made to the fouls of the people.—Whatever might be the dif. (creme of opinion as to the fyßem of his Majefty's Minifters, it mull naturally be the ardent with of every Noble Lord that Britons Should rife tri imphant from the cr ne o n. The Houfe would recnileft that the re tourers of the country were amply adequate toevere purp , lie, if applied with judgment. It would alto ht. recoiled, that though the power of our enemy wad 'insular in purge of Sin, it was compofed of very ~, '' 1 'of our Ambaffador it was evident that the Ultima. tom of our Government had not been agreed to. It :was, therefore, to be conticlered as an aggreffion when 'the French' gave fuch a refufal, and which was only 'to be remedied by a fpirited and unanimous refißance. Ifle therefore voted for the Addrefs. eircordant parts. If the eouatry was to be engaged'that Wand, even fuppofing it had been politic in the in war, it ought to receive a confident affuranee that firft inflance, was immediately afterward rendered 'tt did not go into it merely for colonial purpofes, for utferlyimpratticable by a total change in the circurn-, petty corneas, but for great national intereas. Such dances of the ifland itfelf. But if, as he was con ought to be the general feeling. and the Houle fhould vinced, the furrender of that ifland ought not to have' bear io mind this important fall, that if the prefent made an artic le .of the Treat y in the firs inftance. I war be mifcondufted, one confolation only wilt re. how much more impolitic Iseult have been the furren- Imainahatwe than never have another war to moan& der after the unequivocal declaration in Sebaftianes' 1 Earl SPESICER Paid, that after the very able man- Report, and the avowal of the French Conful him. 'tier in which this queltion had been difeuffid, he did felf, that he did not confider Egypt as an objea I not will to trefpafs on their Lordfhips' attent ion, by worth g oin g to war for. convinced as he was, that 'going into a minute detail upon its leveret topics.- at no very diflant day it molt fall to the poffeffion of IHe had, upon a former night, expreffed his opinion, France. Impoffible then as was the furrender of that the fable& of his Nlajefty's Declaration naturally Malta under Inch circumftances, and jultified as this !divided itfelf under two dialed heads:-fira, the country was in its retention as a poll of defence, he Caufe of the Country, as againll France -fecondly, would not pals by, without expreffing his allouifh ' the Cattle of the Country, as againft Miniaers ; a nd ment and reprobation of, a propofition offered by a thole fuhjees ought to be the nhjefls of &atria dif. Noble Earl (Stanhope) for obtaining the right of cullion, and on dittine days. Confidering, therefore, poffeffing an ifland already ours, by furrendering the the latter as referved for a future opportunity, he had iflands of Guernfey and Jerfey in exchange. He ino helitatinn in declaring his moll decided opinion, would elk the Noble Lord himfelf, how he could re that upon the face of the whole negotiation, as (laced concile with his zealous love of liberty, fuch a propel. in the papers upon the table, this Country had not fition in 7-epee to thole Wands ? Was this the re. lonly a just, but an indifpenfible cattle of war againft ward he would render for their arduous fervices, France ; not only with rake& to the loth article of and their ardent attachment to Great Britain ? the Definitive Treaty. in relation to Malta, which, or by what fpecies of argument could he reconcile from the firs moment of the fignature of the Prelimi. the furrender of fo many thoufands of true loyal nary Treaty,he confidered as impraelicable,confiitent Britifh fubjeets to the molt abject flavery, under the with the fecurity of Egypt againft France, and con- military defpotifm of France. If the pail:lion of fequently of our poffeffions in India-not only upon Malta were to he attained on no other terms, better this ground, but upon the various other points of were it relinquithed for ever. With refpee to the aggreffion and aggrandizement by France tince the war itfelf, he confidered it not a mealure of option fignattire of the Definitive Treaty, and aggravated by for this country, but one of irrefdlible neceffity ; and the avowed views of the Chief Conful for the re. this only was the ground upon -which he confidered poffeflion of Egypt. His info lting attempts to die- war as juaified The conduit of France, from the tate to the Britifh Government meafures of Legifla. Treaty of Amiens to the end of the late Negotiation, cure and jurifprudence, for the internal regulation of, was one continued fyflem of infult and aggreffion. this country, to accommodate his wifhes, as well as' He was proud however to %Omer". now that Nego the unjuaifiable feizure and confifeation of Britiffiltiation had terminated in the defeat of all efforts for (hips in French ports, during a period of profeffelithe fecurity of Peace, a fpirit of unanimity and vi amity and peace, under the operation of laws enaa-lgour in that Houle for the fupport of a war, the ed during a time of inveterate enmity and warfare,l,policy and neceffity of which was no longer mater, for which all redrefs had been refuted. Convinced, of queflton. The connexions between the nations therefore, upon the whole of thole confederations, that of Europe and this country were fuch, as that we this country had the molt jolt right of war, which he could not exist under the degrading humiliation of conceived, under fuch circumftances, to be unavoid.. a fubmittal to the dictates of France. Such was the able, without fubmitting to the mod degrading hu- extent and importance of the British Empire, that miliation of national honour and national fecurity, he the moment England fhould fit down in fubtriffion fhould give his moft hearty fupport to the Addrefs, to France, the frame of our exiflence muff fall rather than to the Amendment, which, by prolong. to pieces. The 'country Indeed might exit, but a ing a temporifing fyftem, would lead to no poffibTe total change and debafement mull take place in the advantage, but would rather exhauft the means of circurnflancet of the people. their laws and conflitu our fecurity, and allow the French Government time tion. To avoid fuel a fate we mull prepare our to gain new advantages. He trufted, now that war minds and our refources for an energetic and effec was rendered inevitable, the Houfe and the country tive war, and not a Abort, weak, and temporary con would be unanimous in fupporting his Majeay to tell. which mutt leave us in the neceffity of retorting profecute it with energy. He trailed that our re- again to arms at no remote period, but without equal fourceswouldbe wifely and energetically adminifterid; means of renewing the contall. To rely upon tbel and this done, no doubt could remain of our fuccefs. mere faith of a nation, which has given fuels decided, Lord Rosstypt role to give his heatty fupport to evidence of intention to violate the Treaty of Amiens,l the Addrefs, and to exprefs his convitlion not only the very moment they are negotiating that Treaty,l (that the caufes for which this country went to War would indeed betray the greatell weaknefs. Thad were pit, but that the rneafure was imperionfly . Treaty, which under the moll folemn appeal to the forcia upon us, without any alternative left but the law of nations, guaranteed the polliffinn of Egypt. 'humiliation, difgrace, and final ruin of this country; to Turkey; yet ahnoft in the very moment of its land though he differed with tome Noble Lords as to conclufion, the very man who was formerly fent thi-I the caufes and nbjeas of the war, yet looking to the ther as the preeurfor of the fist invafion from France," detail of the Negotiation, he beheld fuels a mats of Sebaßiani, is again feat to review the country, to' caufes, as could leave no other option for this enun. examine into the practicability of again invading it ;I try. His Lordlhip then proceeded to recapitulate and a public report of his pm refs is avowed in the many of the lading points of the diplomatic. corref- official paper of the French Government at Paris t l pondence as well as the detail of -the proceedings of which 'derma, if it had been only found on boards the French in Holland, Switzerland, Piedmont. and a French veffel returning from Egypt, authenticat- Italy, which, he obferved, formed one continued ed by the tignature of a French Agent, would of mars of aggreffion. injuries, and infults, irons the itfelf be diffident proof of the violation of the treaty moment of figning the Definitive Treaty. to the to have jultified war. There was a point , be laid. hour which terminated the Negotiation ; and he par. in his Majeay's Declaration, which feemed to have, titularly adverted to the minion of Sebaftiani to efcaped attention : it was an intimation, that France Egypt, obvioufly with a view to found the probabi. had, fince the Treaty of Amiene, propoted to fome' lity of retaking that enmity y ; and whole report re- of the Governments of Europe, a plan for the parti• 1 (petting which, in relation to our army, was infi- tints of the Turkifh Empire, the integrity of which, nitely leis polite and candid than the declaration of but a few months fince, it had guaranteed by treaty.' Dgezzar Pacha, whom he termed a Barbarian. It -Adding this circumftance to the aggreflion of the was not the retention of Malta, his Lordfhip obferv- French Government towards every nation in Europe, ed, which ought to be the foie, or the leading nb in violation of that Treaty, what reliance could this jell of the war; an object not led important, was that Country place upon the faith of that Government ; which forced this country to a fucceffive fcries of wars or what ground was there left to fiippofe that a fur with France under the old monarchy; tamely, a Cher prolongation of the ternpotifing fyftem ' was view to check the encroaching fpirit of ambition and more likely to bring them to a fenfe of juftice ? There aggrandifement wh ch uniformly markedthe policy of was no man felt with deeper regret than he did, the that country towards all Europe; a pokey now more calamities of war. although to him the with for war glaring and immoicrate than at any former period had been falfely attributed. But war or peace was no of French hiftory. To check this fpirit, therefore, longer matter of choice for this net m.; for it was before it (welled beyond all power of repretlion, was forced upon her as the only alternative from ruin.- furely an important object of war. At no time in ,He would with to cbferve to the Noble Lord oho the annals of French ambition, was the fpirit of en 'moved this amendment, and to whofe talents and' mity to this country lo defperately marked: and good fenfe he paid high deference, that the fyßem of therefore we were juftified and impelled to it by the ;temporifing with the French Government had been eaceffity of Pelf defence. !tried ton long in vain. To continue it longer would The Marquis of Scion (poke (lonely in fupport of'be to allow them time to gain advantages, and to ex- -- the Addrefs, fully convinced that the war was not Inuit our own time and refources in a fruitleli expe-1 mat ter of option, but of inevitable neeeflity and felt. riment : unlefs to the furrender of Martinique and. 5 aaaaaa se, MAT sp-Cam In here this day &Dutch alp . prefervatinn. the Cape , we are prepared t o a dd that of Ma ta, and detained hying Vises gun-brig.-. Admiral Sii Jeans Save , Lord Grammes role with Come faineance to leave ourfclves no means of oppofing the fatal blow Knee has gone to Jerfey, to take the eommaad of his Majeny's trefpafs on the attention of the Houle, exhaiilled asp our trade in the Mediterranean. and opening tolibips and taffeta that-Admiral Rowan has urived ben to (it mull be after fo long a debate; but viewing as he France the road to our poffeffio ns in India. To theihatft libation boardthe 'Zs , but es Lord Kenn has not now did, after a year of experiment, of negotiation, Noble Lord (Moira) w h o had epoeet, o f th e p re f e n ttret Riad his, we underttand be Is to coutinand the North Sea land anxious fiifpence, this country, brought now to as a (hurt war,he would anfwer that he had no idea of Fleet. -.Tits Amman, Captain Arens, failed lag night , that point which he had forefeen was inevitable from the coma being terminated with promptitude ; on s k s io „,,, &sm ., under animus= yeacruy' and bboarad the moment the Treaty of Amiens was cor , cluded.Ethe contrary , he waled the country timid be taughtl a _Wedonotknowtheorden6ebrought. Whatever might be his opinion of the con toe of his fairly to contemplate its danger, as the only a. ' means' .LYMOOTI Max S Left night arrived 12 theall Sound, Majefly's Minters in that Negotiation, and which of being able to meet it with adequate firmneft..-1 g b I. lur brig . sys&fliftWlJAAlll Pass.. commander and owner would be the fubjeet of difeuffion at another day,! From the fialeil convietion, which the moll attentivel f ,„„ t,„ bound to St. m "..._ hid..." (alt , ....; he would not for the prefent withhold his con. l conlideration the eircumaances of the Empire' --.- --- -- ----- --- captured Bay of Remy. The ACAISTA id attached to the Channel Mats lon Tuefday kit by his Majelty's Cep ACAS/A, of gigues, In the gratulation from the Houle and the country upon could infpire, he was inclined to give the country this fic silo captured a Dutch dagger, but parted company with bet that fpirit and unanimity in fopport of his Ma-; advice. that if it was not prepared to meet the con ." jet,, fi y, which Co fo eminently marked the difeuon: Ilia with the moll decided energy, and to the fulleft ' two nights ago. It appears that there area greet number of pd. of this night. The various topics of the Ncgoti-! extent of its refources, as one upon which its chill- I ready for fea : among them is the famous pip pri vateers Suing oat In France, tipecially at Booed/an, and many. ation, as well as of the eels of violence, oppref. ence as a Nation depends, it were better to fubmit at through the whok of tbe lalt war, sad lion, and aggrandizement, on the part of the once to a degrading fubjuga.ion. But if the country! pf saw : newt! was uncommonly focceisful. French Government, both fince the fignature of hoped to avoid fuch a fare, it could only be done by ' lamer '' rcese ' which ran the Definitive Treaty, and even while it was yet on:the unanimity, the firmnefs of their lawdfhips, of the the point of conclnfion, had been fo ably difctifTed in other Honk of Parliament, and of the country at DEAL, MAT al-Arrived the HvintA frigate, Lau loop the cnurfe of the prefent debate, that he fhould feel ' large. in fupport of the Government , and in the and Locust sua.vdrd, from a crotse.-Wiad N. N. Y. It unnecetfary to trefpafs on their Lordfhips' at-energetic exertion of all our arength and refources.' GIATISSIOD. MAT sp-Palfed try the klimbetb, .-., jobs tension by going minutely into the detail. This The Earl of D ,in a few words, declared , W airm./ 1 . r.." - ; and D V"""__,__Goilib.,. —• froen...... a .Mond ; ,iall . Attens i pc ° , h Paint n". re(ult, however, was obvious to every man's obfer his fentiments againft the Addrefs, and in favour of ' ` a " - " roun . " I "`''''''' m ar y , ---; ''''''" hce ' s * .e. ;li nt :ion ; N , N ePtur ieholf ul os' aro ; Z, ; -.- Ale l m lU der cbsrd . awl' , Pomona, itihtt sction, that the whole of the conduct of France, from the Amendment. that hem to the prefent, was one uninterrupted [cries Lord Calton( remarked that we were now &easily Two Brothers, Boswell; Frickfden. ...--,, end Forthofinall, Sea of aggreffion and infult to this country. and to all at war ; and in his opinion it appeared abfurd to de- try. ~..fr_"l Narwaya - Saill_,the Nrawara Zeta t far Bartel, o ._na; Europe. With refret to the Wand of Malta. which liberate a moment with an idea of negmiation. As men "t.7"7".,* -- 7,',T r ., A i rc " . r .. . ; ' cow '' o c " Ile • -- and ' ink ... L. ." '''. A Noble Ft iced of his who (poke early in the debate Conn as an Ultimatum had been delivered to the Mao: far --- H ain b i ii g a7 w- eaar ; ' ' .--- (Lord Melville) had mentioned as of itfelf a fufficient French Government, and they had given a refute! to .ri ground of war, he was ready to accede to the prin that particular point, war was to be confidered a 1-0VD9 14, PriateelaaaPablateab7 l -EVIL KENT.._ .0 3 , (Calk. :plc, and to agree with that Noble Lord, that the rat only inevitable, but nearly the fame as if hoßili. 11162 " - &1*- . Lainbetil)al she teal 13eeletizw. Nos 0t j Crew. reass sib at the Ssaa Chaps, a • nweaww, loth at tick of the Definitive Treaty, with Terra to tics bad been &dually efonmentel From tbc rocs I The quellion was put, and there appeared—Con. 'tents, 42—Non Contents, to. The order for the confideratisn of the Chandos Peerage, which flood for Tuefday, was poaponed to IThurfday fennight.—Adjourned. LONDON. TUESDAY, MAY 24. PRICE Op STOCKS THIS DAY AT ONE O'CLOCK 33 per Cesar. Cosfols, 1:1110ney. 32411 37+f{. oiao, for account, rt. Olds per Can. 9.4—New Ditto gs I We entertained a hope that we lhould, this day, have been able not only to gratify our Readers, but, to ferve our country, by an accurate and impartial detail of the proceedings in the Houfe of Commons laft night. We repeat the expreflon—we hoped to have (Cried our country by detailing the debate on the fubjeft of the late negotiation; for the honell indignation of every Briton has been roofed again it the defpot who dared to fuggeft, that the publication of the debates fliould he fupprelfed and the liberty of the prefs retrained; and it is of the highelt impor. tance at all times, efpecially at a moment like the prefent, that the free undifguifed fentiments of the Reprefentatives of the People fhould be conveyed to them, through the medium of the pu,blic prints, with all the facility poffible. This difappointm e - nt has arifin from a new regn. lation, announced on Friday evening, that the gal. lery iliould not be opened till after prayers, that is at half pal three in the afternoon. This regulation took place yetterday. It was adopted by no means at the fuggeftion of the Speaker, but at the earneft defire of many members, who were determined that their friends fhould have a preference, as it was fa very inconvenient to come to the Houfe a few hours earlier ! Beftdes, a great number of members intro. duced their friends before the gallery was opened,and foreflalled the places and the avenues to the galls y in the infide. The crowd of perfons, elision* to obtain admifion, was beyond any thing ws ever few. The paffages were choaked up, and !bands of conflables were employed to prevent !or increafe the tumult and diforder. Several !hundreds were difappointed, and the Houfe of Lords was overflowed by a confiderable portion of thofe who ,Were (hut out from the Houle of Commons. The Re. porters, after fuffering great inconienience from the preffure of a prodigious crowd from eight and nine in the morning, were unable to make good their ad. !millmillion into the gallery. No paper had a angle re• ion in the Houfe of Commons, fo that the debate we believe is entirely 1011. We trufl that if debates are fuffered to be publillied in the newfpapers, the regulation of yefterday will not be continued,and that the Houfe, which winks at the publication of reports, will wink alfo at -y facilities abfalatity nectar, for reporting ..4 , ..eeches of Members with tolerabla accuracy. NUbdy a(ks or expeits _ _ _ A courier arrived this forenoon at eleven o'clock at Lord et Office, with difpatches flora , Paris, the nature of which has not tranfpired. By our Port Letters it will be Lien, that our crui sers are difplaying their ufual vigilance and adivity. The Acssra, of 38 guns, has captured a Frocl4 merchantman and a Dutch dagger. This morning arrived a Hamburgh mail, by which we received the following letter from Stockholm, dated May 3 :—" Baron ULTIPAIIItt who arrived here yefterday esprefs from St. Peterlburgh, in five days, has brought intelligence that a Convention has been figned between the two Courts, by which the Frontiers are, for the prefent, left in the fame Mum.. I tion as before. All preparations (or War were mediately put a flop to." _ _ _ The 4ad and 92d regiments of foot are ordered to march for CoWaiter. a