The National Register. — London, England, 1809-06-11 00:00:00

THE NATIONAL REGISTER. thou;l►t it much stronger than it should be, ond.if not checked, that it may event►►ally overwhelm the other branches of the Coo,Aitution. Au lion. Gentleman (Mr. Itose) on a former evening, had from his tables made calculations which went the length of saying, that the influence of'the Crown was less at pre , ent than it' had ever been. Front the unobserved influence which he (Mr. Whithread) was conscious then existed, there certainly app.!arevl to . hiin a necessity for a further reduction in poasioned seats, notw it.loanding they were fewer even ray they had keen.--From considering the extended pat 1.011.1,40 arising out of the army, navy, &c. it was impossihle t • perceive the increasing influence of the Croy% n. For in be Local Militia, from the dispfisal of conunissionF, iv herein twiny individuals would be attached to that influence, Members of that House may be influenced through their con-titurnts. A Right Hon. Gent. on a former occasion, assumed th practit eto himself, and left the theory to him. He should ,tlt.a from the time of the revolution to the present day, wado3ll% practical efforts had been made by the exclusion of per bons holding places or pensions,lowards curtailing the influence of the Crown, therefore, what he no%t proposed was (oily an ex tension of that practice. The theory contained in the act of settlement iie I.hoitid consider as mischievous so far as it went to exclude from seats in Parliament the necessary officersof hoards of Government ; but he must declare, that there were admitted inlre thin, to his opini!m. was necessary. All the Lords of the .Adoliralty he did not think necessary, two of them and the Se cretary were as many ak: whuld he sufficient for the purpose of improving their knowledge in that department by an intercourse with Parliament. The clerk of the ordnance it would be eTpe- client to have in the lionse, hut it was not proper that the store keeper, the treasnrer, or the clerk of the deliveries should have seats thereto Unconnected as the Board of Controul was with general Parliamentary detail, he did not think it necessary to have more than the President a member of that House, if a Commoner. In all the great official departments, ,the heads alone were sufficient to hold seats in Parliament. After deny tne. utility of the officers of his Majesty's household having seats in Pat liament, and asserting that they could only be intro- • duced to suppart the Crown prerogative, the Hon. Gentleman adverted to the statute of Queen Anne and George I. upon the f.ubjeet of seats held by those who enjoyed pensions, either for life or a term of years. He disclaimed any connection of his present measure with Parliamentary Reform, and only wished to 1111IIC the parties who w ere I,vourable and adverse to that measure. Tin. lion. Gentleman coneloile.l, by moving a resolu tion to this effect. " That the House in the course of the next ti: ssinn, w ill take into it , ecinsideration the necessity of limiting the number ofthose persons wilt, holds Seats in Parliament, toge ther ix ith emoluments and places under the Crown." The 1: SCA:I4.Oa Of the Ezell rte., ER. said, that though the liouse was not at present called to come t , " a tit'tiact on the subject proposed, vet it under the views of the Mentor. able Cientlemao, his resolution should he adopted to tile extent of toosidering this Insurer in the next 'Session, the (louse would nlto;ether al low the expediency of diminishing the nutoher of those persons holding seats under the forementioned cirettm stances. The lion. Gentleman had said the mater would he equally open to his (Mr. Perceval's) ohjectioas in the nett Ses sion, and therefore he did not expect any opposition in the pre vent in-tat:: e ; but he would say that the question would not he then unprejudiced if this resolution were acceded to now. If it were not right to come to an Opinion on the subject now, it wonld not he IleCeti•ill'V at her p: riod. Rut the llonottr.ble Gentleman said "ivi lived in times ii hen the idea of ite'oeolce front avowed corruption had gone abroad, and th"r!..e - e rte should set :Jena excluding it.'' At any period w rec ., ,ra was called for, refer:awe was invariably made to the ex t-t:•:- •orac tical bataace in that House. The result of Mr. Da 1•. i.!.• :,s torso- Intim' on a former occo-ion, Omagh it proposed e‘;•:•;• •!:1 :t:1311 similar grounds, shew cil that there was .a cogniko.c sueh thing, e ',Ai and whit oeapprobation of Pits liamea •. . 1 . : n , • ' (her reason of tae Hon. Gentleman for considering at. matter wa , , the deference that sh , oild be paid to opi n ion. Hr viould nterlv deny that the mode it collecting the pehlic seati clients was by attending to the opinions which demagogues Tress ed ow' those by whom they were attended. It asst impolitic to enter upon this subject if nut prepared with some proliosis itru AV hick it may be ne..escary to adopt. The fact of increasing in fluence in the Crown be should totally deny, as also that it arose to such an extent from the disposal of commissions, Re. In fact, the increase of wealth among the Members of the poptilnr branch became a strong countervailing balance upon that infiaence. appointweni.b 40 th.: "A0c,41 oritrintttexi !tot With Abr 574 KiiiA hut he Lord Lieuteuant of the county, and for his part he thought, that to accept of such appointments was rather act of patriotism on the part of the receiver than of patronage on Simi of the donor, and that the charge was attended with mods per sonal inconvenience for the purpose of securing the public advan tage. The lion. Gentleman had said % that the practice of the Constitution was in favour of the precedents by which he regu lated his present measure. There were theorists % however, who would overstep the practice, and urge additional reasons for abo fishing 20 as 10 had been before. Though the Honourable Gentleman may cousiderecrtain limits as satisfactory to biro, yet others would be fur extending their referring by example to the Act of Settlement for so doing, and therefore the lion. Gentle-, man's propoiitiou could be of no stationary or fixed effect. Up on these grounds, he trusted, the resolution of the lion. Gentle-. man would he negatived by the House. The original motion was withdrawn for the purpose of adopt, ins the words "That Parliament would, early in next Session, take into consideration how far it was expedient to limit the number of Members in the House holding places, &c. Upon this the House divided, and the Members were : For the iSeso luau°, 54 ;—.Against it, LIS ;—Majority, 59. Friday, June 9. Sir Jon x NEWPORT objected to the clause for grantiog in demnity to ()dicers ho had been guilty of corrupt practices in the collection of the re‘enue, and said he would take the sense of the House, wi et tier it should stand part of the hill. The house divided—For the clause, 41 ;—Against it, 47 ; Majority against the clam:, 0. Mr. W ti ITDIt E"..1 o said, that understanding the keeper of the stores at dlyde Park was not a person who had ever served in the army, he should next session, it' that person was not remov ed. in the interim - from his situation, make a motion for that purpose. FREIGHT OF EAST INDIA SHIPPING. Mt. PRT: IN E G %ST, after some observations on the extreme harthitips to which merchants rettcling in India, who had goods to send to this country, were exposed by the exorbitant rates of freight charged by the East.lndia Company, being at one pe riod, as he observed on a former evening, no less than 441. per ton, moved that a Copy of a Memorial from the Directors of the East-Irlia Company to the Lords of the Treasury, dated the SLI of Alay, 1191, and I lid before the House in March, 1801, be reprinted. After a few obFervations from Mr. Howarth, the Right Hon. Robert Dondag, 11r. Peter Monte, and Mr. Grant, the papers moved for b v the lion. Gentleman on a former eight and reftmA, were ordered to be laid before toe H ()use. HIM. Gentlrmo! then tOO% ed for certain other ppent relative to the oath taken by the Dire , tot!) of the lodia Com pany. anal th, Eye for its Government,in order to found therein a rti:trge against Mr. limit, the present C;.airman. for having eatriod un a private trade. contrary to the regulations specitiNi in the ::aid oath n id 1.1,e I wition was objected hi by the Ft i2,ht Thin. Ft. Dtindait and \lr. Peter Moore, and after a few remarks from Mr. Pren dergast, %%a, %%ithdraau. full TOE PREVENTION oF tFFICKING, FOR TEATS IN I'AftLIAMENT. The CilA Ncr. Lt.° n. of the Excli cqt, ER propa4ed as ameotl tha• after the ‘‘or(6specirvio4 the pen:illy for every otrer or orotniieffiatil' in order to procure a seat in Parliament, that the follim ioz; word, he nixtitted, •• that for the t•ai4i otfence the Menilter he Ow:to:mit:twit from relnitiing a Seat in Par liament for I'lol tint U or borot4:h as he might have been returu ed far." _ . . The ameadment wits put aro! carried, and the House having resinaed, the report was hrought op and agreed to. Several anivnilments tnade in the Committee wet c then read and agreed to. Ou the clati.c added to the bill hy the Chancellor of the Exchequer, to disable person. , to sit in Pa: tiament, aho nad procured their :eats by any express promise of places, otlires, ii‘c. being read, Lord Mi!..ro - ; rose to oppose it, ohjected to the inclusion of the word " 1110 he contended would colopletely de feat the ohjeets of the hill. He would r!ther the clause was wholly omitted than that this n ord should he inserted : and inlayed that either the word express" should he erased fr the clause, or that the clause should he withdrawn. A division took pbtee on the amendment for the omi tio3 c the bk lire's," ivhint appeured—Ayes ) W ;— Nu• ; )1 a ity ; JUNE 11. i