The National Register. — London, England, 1812-06-21 00:00:00

7 7 ' 7-'77 THE NATION A L REGISTER. JUNE 21 By discontinumg the Bounty on Printed Goods . . Hides and Skins . . , Glass Tobacco . • • . Auctions Post Office Assessed 'faxes C a le Servants Carriages . . . . Horses and Dealers . Dogs . . .f::;08,0(X) 325,000 3'28,000 107,000 100,000 220,000 ~ • • . . £155,000 39,000 269,000 31,000 21,000 Galle Certificates . 515,000 ,903,000 This was an excess above the sum they required by 30001. and he had no doubt but the subjects proposed by him, would fully answer the estimates he had made of them. He should detain the Committee no Laiger than to move, that it is the opinion of the Commit tee that the sum of 22,500,0001. to be raised by way of annuities, be granted to his Majesty for the service of the year. Mr. Husxissou thought it would be much more beneficial to the country to raise the supplies within the year than to continue the system of loans, which must end in rujn. He also made some observatious on the deficiency of the revenue of Ireland, which was princirally caused by bad management in collecting. Mr. Guts objected to the tax on horses used in husbandry, because it would not be very profitable, and because the farmers could afford no snore to the State. The farmer's property had already been taxed on a supposition that his profits were 3 4ths of his rent. The resolutions were then put and agreed to. Mr. W. POLE then brought forward the Irish Budget, the Resolu tions on which were agreed to, after a long conversation, and the House adjourned at two o'clock. THURSDAY, JUNE 18. There being only thirty•six member) present at four o'cluck ) the ilouse of course adjourned. FRIDAY, JUNE 19. ORDERS IN COUNCIL. Mr. BROUGHAM said, when that great question was, on Tuesday last, before the House, he did not think it necessary to press the House to a division, though he felt confident, that if be had dune so, the object of his motion would have been carried. From the language that night em ployed by the Noble Lord opposite (Castlereagh), and from the various interrogatories and elucidations which took place from both sides of the House, he thought there was an end to the question, and that lie should not be put to the painful necessity of bringing it again before them. That hope was shared with him by all the trading interests of the nation, and he now held in his hand letters, expressing the great joy and exultation felt, not only by the employers, but by all classes of workmen in various parts of the country—letters, with the contents of which, if the House.were acquainted, they could not but congratulate themselves on what they bad done on the nightwhen the question was before them ; but how bitter was his disappointment, and how hitter must the disappointment of the cOuntry, when they now found that America was nut in reality to be conciliated, that the Orders In Council were still to be stickled foroind that, though Ministers had given up.the principle, no advantage was likely to fie derived from that surrender. • He understood that the Noble Lord (Castlereagh) mentioned an imme diate suspension, but now it seemed they were to wait for six weeks, until some negotiator was shipped off for America. He understood, that the suspension was not to be confined to a limited space of time, but now it appeared that it was to be limited ; and that, unless France; in the mean time, revoked her Berlin and Milan Decrees, or in case of refusal on the part of France, if America did not, in such event, agree to resist the Decrees of France, the suspension was no 1 )nger to continue. Was this, he would ask, a revocation ? Were the merchants of this couuntry—was that House to be thus tricked and fouled out of the hopes into which they had.been thus unfairly led, of seeing an amicable tenni !'ition to the differences between the two countries.—(Hear, he a r !) '1 'he expectations - held out by Ministers turned out, after ail, to be a mere mockery. Every thing that occurred since the night the question was discussed showed this to be the case. Every day since brought • with it some retraction from the promises then made. It now appeared, that during the suspension,severy American vessel found sailing towards a French port, was to be brought into a British one, nut indeed for the purpose of adjudication ; but whateVer may be the purpose, the reser vation of such a power must ever preclude any beneficial result that miaht otherwise arise from a temporary suspension. Why was conces slanto be made in such an unmanly, niggardly manner ?—(Hear, hear I) —Why would Ministers act in a spirit so stingy, so mean ? The time now pressed. The manufacturers of the country we e waiting, in breathless exp ectation for the measures that may be adopted. Hi s object, in now calling upon the attention of the House, was to implo r e of Ministers, that they would not issue such an Order as that they had in cotueinplation; for by such an order, he was c aifid,at they could not gain any thing ; thty could not proceed one inch on their way to wards couciliation.—(lleor, hear !)—lif the order was issued , be shou ld feel it necessary ) once more, to call, the attention of the /louse to the. 3ti subject. It was for this reason he desired th..t efouies., • d over. He was certain, if the subject came once more into discussion, the Ministers would give it up ; because they would rather give up any thing than their . places.--( A laugh. , ) —He did not ask of th e Gentlemen opposite, to give up their places. '1 hey, on his ( Mr. Brougham's) side of the House, had ample reason to be satisfied with all the Gentlemen had yet done. They had gently and obligingly yielded up every thing that was required of them.—( A lazqh.) And with the exception of the great question, it appeared as if they had changed places with his friends, and immersed themselves in the dark and dreary night of oppo sition. As soon at it was known In the city, that the Orders were at an end, and that the measure was in substance removed, shipments were immediately commenced. He saw one merchant, who in common years used to send off for America goods to no less a value than 1,500,0001. and who would immediately put in preparation for that market what would employ not less than 100,000 persons for half a year, but would lie attempt it under such regulations as were proposed ? No such thing. He saw some merchants that very day, who Informed him that not one shipment would be made under the regulations proposed. The House may depend upon it, that if the American market was to be hung up upon any thing . that Buonaparte may do, that market would he, as long as he could, lost to this country. [Here the Hon. Member read a communication he had received from the Underwriters at. I.lnyd's, stating, th .t under the proposal temporary suspension, with its attendant regulations, they would not underwrite at less than from 20 to 251. per cent, but if the revocation were unconditional they would do i- at from 3to 41. per cent.' He would conclude by expressing his desire thet either the Orders should be alloweet to exist as before or give teem up altogether. • Unless some satisfactory explenation were given by the No ble Lord opposite, he would persevere in his motion of having the House called over on Wednesday next. Lord CASTLEREAGH did not rise to oppose the motion. The Hon. Gentleman had indulged himself, as was always his custom. in desul tory argument, and in a statement brought forward in total miscon ception. He felt no personal gratitude to that Hon. Gentleman for not dividing the House on Tuesday last ; he (Lord Cestleleagii) abstained from it that he may not be considered as wishing to display an unworthy sort of triumph. When the documents on this subject should be before the House, they would be better able to judge of the matter. He de precated the custom of merchants communicating to Menabei sof that House such conversations as they might have had with any Member of the Government. It tended to destroy all confidence, and teach men in office to avoid in fut..re any such communications. Mr. PONSONBY wished to know when the Noble Lord expected tb have the Documents before the House ? • Lord CesrtEßeAcu answered when they should be in existenence. Perhaps, on Saturday, or at farthest, on Monday, General GASCOYN E thought that every step should be taken towards conciliation with America.. • Mr. Ruse said he never saw such gloom prevail in the City,as upon hearing that the Orders were to be suspended.—(A laugh.) Mr. BROUGHAM answered, that he believed that gloom arose from the Loan. ei.Mr. BARING did not like half-way measures. They would lead to no permanent or useful result. Mr. WI ea E FUACE was'of opinion, that if concession were at all to he made, it should be done in suelia way, as to open the Intercourse be tween the countries as soon as possible. Mr. CANNING was convinced that much anxiety prevailed upon this subject, and the sooner some decision was come to the better. If any part of the principle were to be given up, ir should be done in such a way, as most to advance the interests of manufacturing classes of the country, and prevent misconception. MR. SHERIDAN. Mr. 'Wei, FITZGERALD having stated toethe I-lousy, that the illness of a Noble Lord (Yarmouth) prevented him from attending-the House that day. Mr. SHERIDAN said, that he had himself waited upon the Noble Lora to-day, and lamented that he found him in itich.a state of indisposition, as shut out tile pceeibility of his attending in his place. I: was by we I means h:s (Mr.Sheridae' , ) lineation to enter into a repetition of the con versation that had taken plate between them, or to touch upon the :id• vice said to be given by him in disapproval of the Noble. Lord's assu rance, with respect to the medikated resignat'on of the Household...-. He would, however, say afew words upon the bservatent of a Right Hon. Mend of his ('sir. Tierney) that he (Mr. Sheridae) bad Offerild to bet five hundred guineas that the H , usehold would iioe.eesigtes , Itethe 'first place he was never in the habit of bet.ing at al!, and in the next • he was sorry .1.6 eßight Honourable • Frieod had not said that he had • staked the five hundred guineas, for then the story tvould hive been totally dis:redited.—[el laugh.)—Bilt if he had said, bl 4 five bench ed gubiaai, or,ewliat was more probable, five guineas," Vpon that or any other subject, he did not see why in a passing • coiiver sati •n such a trifling thing should be caught hold of arid• brought o that House in the shape of a great and unanswerable accusa -1 ; ti.oi. If such was to be the case, lie should think n neaeseary, when friend a•kt d him how he did in the streets. to pause be fore he answer ' i ed. (A la tglt ) He had said be believed the 1-I usehold would not re ! sign, becat se he knew that their resignation depended upon seine con "' s ' tins eut circonutaucts, the knowled t p: of which was Nit Ude proof W 44 ; ' -11 MlaNi )t.o. 1