The National Register. — London, England, 1809-05-21 00:00:00

rAt TITE ( Stirto fl • 4 . a • 0.16_ s .c.e of these objections, if not all of.. them, might-be obviated. iu t..e Committee. Ills itbjections against the Rill, t .)100d, be reduced to these points—to the manner in which it demi ihe 4 he. Mit nee ; to. Cie na tote 'and mode of the punishment proposed ; and to the provisions it held out (iv pr••veoting . its cemine.Atio Ile remit' ked, that the mill, if car to prose nt ishape into no Act, .would incapaelfitoe- au! :Member to sell property,, to which the priyilyge of„viitiaig, for a Member was httached. It would pre‘ eta rtlo persons who might have gives , a vote to a ',llConber of P:1 t to rece ive Soy Od employment ieetor eloyment from him.• Ire felt it •wiiold lire itb easy . talc for him to get rid of his objectifies to the bin, without throwing out•wanv . of " its provisions, and was sure that the lino: Gentleman et id not mean manv of the inconeniencies that wmild be the natural consequences of• those provisions. lle :toped, howeverp that Many of the objections might be removed, though he most confess that in the pre.ent state of the , hill, in attempt ing to ;et ri4 of onefitijrctions; he onl v met witlt nom her. Z% r. run w expressed. his satisfaction that the Right Hon. Geleiet Cad appro . . edof the principle of the bill, and hoped th•Lt such moditicatilns might he devised as vvould remove his object innv Iv it haul destroying the design and object of the men 6UE t` .11 certainly•sievor had been his intention to pl.event the sale of propericas that inuist put an end to hit oath, be observed. might be put in • suelvti. manlier, aft(' in such words;, to to remove all antbigaify. (t would therefore be f u r the• Committee to Tonsider of the best mode of doing. Ibis; atoi for his own pirt, no exertion would •he wanting to rendet• the bit', in atl its parts, as unobjectionable as possible. agree.. that it w , •tii.• t bey. for the lionottr.,of the Haase to have courts of law inter eriuk revectinz - the legaity Of the seats of its. M ember., al:LI - SUMP ItiOdltteatiOilk., Itti.1:111, perhaps, be sug gested, to rentler•this proyi•ioo of the bill less exceptionable. *)tV :41k respect to the oath •to be taken by. "Aembers, if bribery' ii . aa Oat to be permit It d in detail, hewn' no reason why it should not, ;,:with enwtl strictness be prohibited in the gross. IVhe should not me higher as %Yell as !fie loner orders of s%wietv, he pi ,eluded from those praetices, and put tinder equal obligations to abstain from them. 1 % .lien the bill, however, came into the Cmamittee. there would be sibler heads than his own, he trusted, to obviate these and other that might arise. A r-e -&an of • I bet proposed -was on all -handsattowed to h... necessary, as the evil vias.adpitted to exist. it was a remark of LOrd Chathimi, many years :Igo, that if they did not reform hemsaves in.lhat, llotoe, it wooled be eventlially alteinpted out of d'oors. 1 hit: it *•s their ditty to, prevent. u ere called pv every . 1.40 , .1,4..rati0n to resort to smite eltisetual measure t o •. • j)ti an end to tae• grolt in.; evil. The h ight Ilan. Gentlemen thea , elyes could not legislate w ith effoct without having the ittoAdence Of the people, and Ibis confidence, he was certak, could' no longer he presrr.ed wit hout some attempt to reined:, theev ils CoMpLtined of. The existence of alms' lind been proved, rind If no remedy ti•iF •)ro Vided by that House, they could lay ito claim to the contid&ce of the country. Mr, BAT/11711ST contraled, that the House was now in a tiluation that tt never had been in before. What had been in former - Limes buggt-sted in the heat of debate, and alledged to exist respec.ing athuseiy, had now been proved and openic avoand. ht• sitnntion wits at least new to him, and he chal lenged Any Ilvn. Meniber to consider impartially mid Octave if there yid not exit • The Bill .wa , tlw, orilereJ to he committed. 1•11.:C;!:NT POnri7GAL. On the rafoltitto.i besug ;cad, th.tt (I)O,CQC.)/, lee grocte4 to th e Prince Regeut of ll:irtu.:4l iv loan, Mr. Wll ut Hit ►o objected to the form of this grant by ww e lean, ap lb) p:.rt of the itiolley wei ever ex pc, to , 1 to be pai(i To give it roe II Like of a tow', was out, deer' cing•the country. mot eci tht. t tie be iAserled. Cif NLE: Lost of the Itjt tale.t, that 1e sup portei thy ott to full cAnwitlion teat both principle:llld in %errs! ‘l99iti tie paid. l'he tee' e agreed to. _ . .Ir. I+TOY then hr .- Ought ttp the R,eport of the Committee of Wa‘s 011 the Ite3olution refpecting the Lotter% bei'ig _ _ • - _ 1 4 11 r. %V irt an n, in a speech of much eloquence, inveighed azaiiit far oestructi‘e {led Isaias:ma tenaency Gf this inanucr of raisin; p Sri OF t:ii. neces..try supplies. Sir r, Tviti 0 N CHANcEI.I.OIt of Ike .Excur.ctept defell(led the Lo•tt , rvSstena. ffividco—Avev "it); the I;esulutiQ? QS a'tu tit 54. IRISH DISTILLERY RIEL. On the order of the day fur going into a Committee on the Irish Distillery Bill, a discussion took place between Mr. But t-Mom), 11 r. Voster, My. Poitsenby, and Mr. W. Wynne,. , The citiainittitl of the bill was opposed on the groom' that Sir J obit Newport was - -absent, and this objection was pres•eil to a, division. The ninn;lers were„—forgoing into a Committee, ; for , pocitpooing the Conimitter, t22;-- 7 inajotity The •Conunittee on the Bill was loistpanotl W Wedne,day net urned. , Friday l 11,ey 19. IRISH TYT:tIES, • Sfr. R rote and said, that before he broun.ht the kubject of Irish T) thes.uoder the con4clerativo of the ?loom., he s!iould move that the petition from the FreeholikrA of the fount y of Kerry, pre,entect to this !louse in the course, of the Lod. Session, shooki be 'low re;,(l. The Cerk having read the Petition alluded to, %%hick repre sented in strong terms the hard-hips and oppressio9s to which the petitioners Were exposed by the •oy stein of tyt king that prevaile4 in Ireland, the lion. Member proceeded to state, that besides this Per i 1 ion , and that of the Freeholders of Q:reenss County, before the !louse, £vveral other eeiunties in Ireland 11ad declared their sentiments upon this subject, in equally strong term-, in form of resolutions. Ile mentioned particularly the- counties Of TipPeral.y, dare, and' Wicklow, all of which had formally declared the necessity of some reforth in the manner of *collecting Wiles in Ireland. His motive in thus specify ing 'these comities was in order to shew that a general sentiment of hostility sub si-ted is Ireland agait.st this species Of grievance, and that it was not any private motive of his own that induced him to bring for Ward tihissubject. So general, he believed, .was the opposk :ion to the tything system idlrelnud a that he would go so far as to t•a v, that the clergy themselves %vete extremely anxious for some reformation of these exerbltinit :Owes. w b icli were matter of 'lei versal reprobation. These complaiuts, it uas necessary ti.a lt).erve, did not proceedetitirely from the (:ietholies, hut scare last as loud on the part of those %v ho professed the esta blished religion of the country as those wkie were Of the Reiman Catholic pet sua4on. The Honourable Gent lerimu then entered into a must affecting description of the mal-practices so much to be detes'ted. He however com pletely exculpated • the cler X' • y themselves from any para.. • ti OW, or ev en countena nce in there oppressi,lll:., but allrrleut, rd' them entirely to the exactness' or that class of men called ty the proctors ; to to hom the clergy of the country were oblig ed, nimble themselves to collect the tYtlie personalty, to entrust the collection of their dues. This neceity Originated from the general poverty which prevaile d ainongst the louef classes of landholders, whose loud Clainpurs, against the impoSi lion of such a tax rendered it atitkost d a ngerous for the clergy- Man lo attempt the collection or it ilialserf. j,a order to 13 hew the general impolicy of tytheS, and a mode of taXatiim, he qmited the opinions of Dr. Adam Smith, Dr. Paley,.isial Mr, Thompson, whose sentimeins he ingeouously twilled to the mi l fortunate state of Ireland, and argued ill'ost eitrohi, - , that the' calamities which have befallen that country du riiig the last . eleven years,' had originated from the oppr'es'sive and galliug mode elf collecting the ty t hes. In order to' rentedy this er) lug evil, anti a, a step to %yards a general comaination of wiles, one of the objects of the proposition he t herald ihake to the itibll!.o woulei be, that the inenintiept of parishes sheuild be obliged to grant a lease of t weith-one years to the parishioners. This,,he was of opinion; would prevent a reeurrelice of - siinilar.e;ause of com plaint. Ile was induced to ad:;pt this course, rasher than refer :he subject to a Committee of the whole Howe, from appre hension that such it step would prove nugatory in its result. I thour.,:i the pr,,po,ilion he should have to otf. r i,ppear but' a very limited measure, yet he must beg nut lobe updersteiod as stopping. there. It was as much his w •h us any man's, It) bring about the most general ameliorati so of the grie‘illlCeS of Ireland ; but he thOught; as a prcliniiipiry step, this' was tke most of all others to meet with the chicon. ragement of the Ilwase. as persuaded he hennaed under . arany disadvantages; but as he had pledged himself last Ses• sion to bring forward this subject early in the present, he was bound to fulfil his engagement. After a most able speech, lie concluded by moving for leave to bring iu a Bill to enable the ecclesiastical poweit of Ireland, including the rectors, &e. en titled to tythes, tA demise the saw for certititi yearly retith for twenty-one years. • MAY . 21/. I" - I .lili