The National Register. — London, England, 1821-02-11 00:00:00

Mr. CREEVEY gave notice, that on Thursday next he should move au address for the Navy Estimates of those stains which had already been voted by the house. Mr. P. GRENFELL moved for returns of Bank Notes and Bank Post Bills to the latest period.—Ordered. • 4 Lord FOLKESTONE presented a petition from St. seat's, Berkshire, praying that the Queen's name should be restored to We Liturgy.—Ordered to lie on the table. Mr. G. BENNEIT presented a petition from Ellesmere, Salop, praying the house to listen to the desires of the people, and to restore the Queen's name to the Liturgy, and thus allay the public discontent. He agreed in the muniments of the petition.—Ordered to be printed. Mr. LAMBTON presented a petition front Chester.le street, Durham, with a similar prayer. He hoped the petitions would be attended to, as the only means of allaying—not " the flame of ventilation," that had been talked of last night—but the flame of discontent.—Peti lion read, and ordered to be printed. SUPPLY ov WATER.—Mr. FREENIA NTLE moved that a Select Committee be appointed to enquire into the supply of water afforded to the metropolis, and report their opinions thereon. He was not interested in any of these companies, and lie had uo personal grievance to complain of, but he thought that the public ought to have many grievances redressed. Till 1810 the supplies chiefly came from the Chelsea, the Thames, and New River Water Works' Companies, and these companies were in a prospermis condition, though they complained of the eninous state of their finances. The average rate on each house then was 275.; but now, since the establish ment of the new companies, the object of which was to destroy the monopoly, the average rate was now from 41. to 51. each house. Mr. M. A. TAYLOR said, that all the facts had not been so fully stated as the truth of the case would war s-out; but an opportunity would lie hereafter afforded of laying theta before the House. Motion agreed to, and a select committee of 21 persons appointed. PATENT Raters.—Mr. CURW EN moved fur leave to bring In a bill for the better protection of patent rights. Motion agreed to atter some remarks front Mr. Wrot tealey. FOREIGN TRADE.—Mr. WALLACE, in submitting his proposition to the House, wished its adoption to take place as soon as possible. in order that the details might be before the House this session. He concluded with moving for a committee to enquire into the state of the foreign trade ofthe country,and the means of exteuding it. Mr. CURWEN was glad that the government was at last awakened to the importance of the subject. Mr. A. BARING flattered himself that some good might result from the labours of the col 1111 l Mee ; yet it was an afflicting fact, that although the country was now in the sixth year of peace, it could not be said that any one branch of trade was settled. If something were nut done, it was to be feared that our trade would be mute seriously affected. As to the complaints concerning agri culture, he had tio doubt it was li distressed; but its interests were so connected with the other interests of the country, that they must stood or fall together.—(Hear, bear 1) Statwe TRADE.—Mr. W. SMITH moved for a series of papers relative to the mode of carrying on the slave trade by foreign powers. Great praise was due to the noble lord for the exertions he had made to promote the abolition of the trade : and yet it was lamentable that the powers of Europe, who had five years ago acknowledged the inhuman character of the trade, still left so much to be accomplished. The papers were eventually untried to be laid before the House, Coxsuair OP Alisisreits.—The above several motions occupied the House till an advanced hour in the evening and the House then became tolerably full. Sir R. WILSON moved, that the debate on the Marquis of Tavistock's motion, for censuring the conduct of mi nisters, in their proceedings towards the Queen in par ticular be resinned. This basing been agreed to, Sir R. W. commenced the debate, condemning the conduct_ which had been pursued by ministers, in rejecting the Queen's name from the Liturgy, end maintahring that the state of our interual affairs called loudly fur a change of system. If the system had bad been pursued by nit misters were to be continued, there could be ow hope of the restoration of tranquillity. He ovoid now read several extracts front evidence which ministers might have had beWre they brought in their bill. The house was aware that her Majesty bad lived three year; at Pesaiu, which was not a village,as had been represented elsewhere, but a city of great consequence. The first extract, ierefore, which he should read was from a deposition made by the Bishop of Pesaro, domestic chaplain to the Pope. After stating in the strongest lan guage that, during her residence of three years at Pesaro, Imitators injui ions to the hoopla of her Majesty had ever come to his knowledge, he went on to say— ', We further certify that, in the fultihnent of our pas• torah duty, we continually receiva sectet notices of the conduct of individuals living in ant dioceses, but ue have received none of this individual that could give us scams to smpt et the decency of her Majesty ; nor can we doubt that, had there really ocr orred any scandal, it certainly could not have remained concealed trout the sigilance of our Court.—August 26, tr-20." Seth was the declaration of a person oho unquestiona bly had the best opportunity of knowing the truth, The next extract was from a letter ot Cardinal Albani, a per son pre-eminent for Isis virtues, and who nutell gladly have come over to this cottony on her Majesty's bell:sit, bad it beets ist his pow er : " Certainly your Majesty having deigned to allow ore to attend yuur court, both iu Pesaro and in Rouse, 1 should have been more able t h ou any other to have done justice to those eminent virtues which I have admired in your Majesty; and I should have been able to testify that, in the variutis occasions 1 have bed the good fortune to approach your Majesty, you heave been always cut rounded by the roost select society, and that your sits muse, your manners, and deportment, have all emirs ponded, awl been such as became a personage of your exalted rank . But sit this, %shall any ciicoinstatices su utifia tenately prevent my attesting pe t sw,,l ilia it rosin can be done by many other Italian golailviticii, disuu gaished by their birth, merit, and pi unii ) ,—Aligirst 12, 1 `Flt.' The neat deposilion to wbir6 he %gunld call the muni tion of the house, with one L ute a pi ism v‘hu notbt he kno , au tu eve', book mall alto lid vipitetl Italy, and to booby others who had never been in that euunir)—lie meant Count Aleauotler VOllll, That distiujoistieti indi 'futons' &limn(' a> tUli0H11:" On all OCCItAiOIi, OteCli VI Cie vely Is v 4 11 4 .1 11, V ibiliug her auturtuuec 4. but &Amniotic THE NATIONAL REGISTER —sometimes at her conversations in the evening—at ether times aecompanyiN her in her walks, Arc. I always ob d united in ha r the most gracious salability and the must noble decorum, such as to be often noticed by me to the various other noble and distinguished personages who enjoyed the honour of her society." The next, and the last, to which lie should refer, was from a man of equally respectable character, who had been lately iu England, and was acquainted with many distinguished individuals in this country. Professor Tommicini, the individual to whom he alluded, made the following declaration:— "Admitted by the nature of my office into the interior apartments, I was enabled to perceive that which by oc casional visitera could never be known or appreciated. I never saw may thing in her nrauners that was not decent and correct; and with the persons or her court whose Aces attached them most to her person, I have always teen her preserve that decorum which, without varying from that goodness which is natural to her, respected the bounds prescribed to her by her high rack. To her We riots her Majesty certainly was more condescending than, unfortunately, is usual to twat moving In a high sphere, and I have seen her Majesty, though scarcely recovered, go down and visit the Lowest of her dune sties herself, causing the tucdicines to be ad • • tered, and attending to see that every the smallest assistance possible was ren dered to them. With respect to the perilous with whom her Majesty liked to associate principally, they were chiefly persons the most distinguised in the country, both in point of rank and profession." There was only one circumstance more, in connexion with this branch of the subject, to which he would advert. It had been stated, with great effect, in enumerating the charges against her Majesty, that she had been black balled by the Cassino, or Society of Nobles, at Milan ; and to show that the truth (Willis charge was equal to that of the others, lie should read the following extract fruni a certificate which the Austrian government had allowed to be made t " Tha Directors of the Society of Nobles of Milan du certify, that it does not appear from the registers and journals of the said society, from its first establishment up to the present day, that her Majesty, during her residence in Italy, ever made application to be admitted as a mem ber of the said ' Society of Nobles.' " President Director, SAUBE CONTE ABBIO. " MARCO BUCELLARY, Secretary. "llfilau, at the Palace of the Society of Nobles, Nov. 1,1820." The bon. member concluded a speech of great length by saying he had now only to state, that being himself au advo cate fat reform, he had always il•Aught more strongly in its favour than would promote his personal interests. [Hear.] Upon two contingencies he was both ready and willing 10 retire ft public life. He should solicit his constituents to substitiite som e other representative iu his place, whenever the House of Commons had proceeded to such an extremity of disregard to the wishes of tile people Its to deprive it °fall confidence in its measures. He should no less be willing to withdraw into privacy, without recompense for any poor services it have been his good fortune to render, whenever it appeared that his presence oll'ered obstacles in the way of any arrangement he deemed essential to the wel fare of 1 country, Hear, hear.] Mr. Huskiest:on, air. W . Pole, and the Attorney General, spoke of course against the motion. Sir Francis Burdett, thence). Mr. Bennett, and Mr. Tier ney its support of B.—The latter gentleman concluded by soy ing„ Thegeinlemen opposite, or their party, have now been w uttice 34 or &it years, stud can any man say, if their system was good, that we should be plated in the situation its w hich we at reseal arc ? Shoe we, if their system was beneficial, from year to year, have new bill► introduced, trenching the liberty of the suirjeet, and instead of effecting good, creatiug evil? (Hear, bear.] Can that be a wiseor a good system that renders au army of leo,ooo men necessary in ibis country in a time of, peace? [Hear, hear.] Casa that be a praiseworthy system which foments religious dissection ? Can any man say that there is not something radically bad in such a system, the fruits of which are the growing discon tents of the people? (Hear.] Let the house remember, when the sense of the country is to be collected, how great are the difficulties of effecting that object, against the enor mous influence of ministers-1111 influence which loss been growing for 35 years, whiell has given them such a root to the church, in the army, and in the navy, as proves when a strong resistance is made against them, that the sense of the people is opposed to them, since a great number of people are absolutely under their fangs.— Under these circumstances, it becomes the house to look about them, What becomes of his Majesty'► ministers is hot the primary object of consideration, The house ought to do their ditty; and, if the conduct of ministers towards the Queen has been what I have attempted to describe it, let gentlemen seriously pause before they reject this motion.—(Hear, hear.--) It is slut the King's ministets who are on their trial, but the House of Coin. 1110116 ; and all I shall say farther is, God seed us a good del.verance!—(Clieering.) Mr. BROUGHAM, who rose Immediately; and as soon as onlor could he obtained, requeqed the favourable attention of the house, not so much because he was in some degree personally taaleerned in what had passed, but because lie had still to dis charge the remainder of un anximis duty to her Majesty, ren dered it finitely inure painful and burdensome by the tune and matter of the speech of the noble lord. If he had refused to look at the systematic attempts. to malign and defame her Majesty, not only in that part of thq public press known to her under the cuntruut of the responsible istlvisersot the Crown; he still could net persuade himself that there was even a probability that procect"nga against the Queen were abandoned.—God forbid that lie should accuse ministers, or even {their most suspicious underllngs, of giving encouragement w the public nuisance to which he had just referred ; but whoever might be its authors, it evidently stowed anxiety to keep alive calumnious I topics of heat and agitation, end, who other proo.s. convinced him that thaugh the noble lord had relinquistiod all design of further prosecution, the intention still exis etl in some unknown and ilia:limitable quarter. [No, nos hear, heat.] The learned gentleman then proceeded to take on historical view of the many persecutions and studied insults to which het Majesty had b,en subjected, and concluded is speech to which no abridgement can do adequate justice by saying...* I h a v e f aunal thus much." continued the hon. and learned gentleman, " as to the conduct of the Queen. It is fit I should now dischar , c what I call a debt of justice to her. I know it has been inviniously and nialcvo lently itsscrtixl, and most industriously circulate( for purpose, whie , t must be obvious to every man, that my expressed opini• ow of her l‘lajsty's conduct are not the same in fact with my own rinlncielitlVU4 CUOViCtion.—(Bear.) It is necessary, Sir, for me, with that seriousness and sincerity which it may be permit ted to a luau upon tl a roust aiuleUlti Ocep‘lOils to CXVICSS, to i" ert ''' lr l' i d i I now do own in the lace of this h o ax—tilt iftstuaeof an advocate, that . hid I been sittitig a, *judge, a or anotber thuge ttihreln4 .B4. who! should hews hoeut hieds /Cla ssi their ' the n o u rci t ... l ; maimed, her Melee) • Nit cheers.) For the truth of this .reseeded I desire to tender eve 7 pledge that may be most valued and most sacred. I wish t° make it in every form which may be deemed mast solemn and most binding ; and if I believe it not, vs I now advance it. I here imprecate on myself every curse which is most horrid and most penal." (It would be difficult to describe the earnest emphasis with which this asseveration was delivered. the deep interest with which it wu listened to. or the enthusiastic and general cheering by which it was greeted.) It was no ordinary occasion that compelled an advocate to travel so far out of his usual tract; but he (Mr. Brougham) felt that upon the present occasion he had been treated not as an advocate of her Majesty ; but lie had been made a witness against her Majesty. (Chum from the opposition.) That opinion of her Majesty's innocence he was known to have uniformly entertained from the commence ment to the termination of the proceedings—an opinion which was not better known to his private friends than it was published to the world. That opinion it'd not originate in. but had been confirmed by the proceedings themselves, and in the strength with which he had ever entertained it. he repeated, that had be. on a late occasion, been taken from the bar and made &judge.. he should have joined in a conscientious verdict of • Nut guilty." The omission of calling all the witnesses whose evidence would have put the country in possession of all the truth, was a stigma on the use, which no majority however numerous, would de. • stroy. (Loud cheers from the opposition.) It was a stigma an these proceedings. which if to use the words of the master of the Mint (Mr. W. 'Pole) they. the opposition, were to be beaten to pieces, would never be forgotten by the country. (Cheers and laughter.) They had, as was said, been beaten on one side the other evening, and now they were to get the knock on the ether side to night, which was .o put an end to them . • but out of their min would arise what would prove the disgrace of those who had . been instrumental in bringing on and sanctioning this of justice. (Cheers from the opppsition. followed by Ed= cheers from the ministerial benches.) He said. Gee their thins, and after the Frans which were rung in anticipation of triumph had subsided, and were heard no more, won ache what would remain a lasting disgrace to the Parliament which had e = such measures—measures which he maintained, WWII to Parliament. (Cheers from the opyrsition.) It would newer be forgotten that, ministers having it in their power to peedeee the means of ascertaining the truth, bad neglected them moons —had chosen to bring in this bill, when .by madam he IMO Of 3wo witnesses, who were, he might say. when, in their neigh bourhood, they might have orevented ail the impedes end infamy which had followed. The hon. and learned gentlemeet followed tip his reasoning on this part of the question in a meet sire and eloquent manner. Adverting to the Milan which the noble lord had described as - having bow seayiege . &rigorous inves.igation to vindicate the clieseeter if die lie observd, that toe house would not know ethist roe the dseeetp tion of the witnesses out of 80 whom they had Waned. T house might, however, judge ,of their anxiety to avoid sendieg„ any thing very low or mean when they sent out MOM ; their wish to avoid every thing that was filthy WWII they stet the pimp Cuslii (cheers); of their determination to avid eluding any one who was infamous and degraded when they sent Ma- . jour. Stiehl. and that pattern for all modest chambermaids. Mademoiselle Dumont. (Hear.) In conclusion, he said, that every act of his proceedings, from the commencement. was gov , med solely by . his duty to his Queen, and his attention to the inr.rrests of his country. (LotW and repeated •cheers.) Al his conclusion the question was loudly called fox. The barge then divided h. Ayes Noes ~178 ..324 Majority &gainer the motioat 146 WEDNESDAY, Fall. 7. There being only tturty-eight members present at four o'clock, the Speaker *lectured the House to stood adjourned THURS.:IA Y. /XL 8. Mi. BYNG presented 'WWII:111S till the subject of Si. Pau. eras church; to light Poplar, with gas, &c. Ordered to be referred to Committees. Mr. S. WORTLEY presented petitions from wnolfen manufacturers in the W. bi Riding of Yorkshire; from Leeds. &c. pray mg Hist the House would alter the laws regarding • the stamping of woollen cloths. The hon. member gave notice, that on an e.srly day be should moire fur is select committee to enquire into the allegations of the petition*, the state of tile laws regarding the stamping of woollen cloths, &c.—Read and ordered to lie on the table. Mr. C OMEN presented a petition front farmers of Glom• cestershire, complaiurng of agricultural distress, and prays ir ' . for relief. He said th a t gra i n was now 6.. p er b us h e l. It had been said that Ets. was the lowest price at w hick grain could be sold so as to afford a fair profit to the grower. Now Is. difference made a change of 5,000,0001. to the fanner; but the difference in the prices now occasioned a hiss of 10,000,0001. yearly to the growers. If the deterio ration were 1 or 21. more, then the loss to the farmers would he 20,000,0001. How could the farmers go on under such disadvantageous cirimustances, &c. Petitiou received and ordered to lie nn the table. Petitions were presented f Sealesby, Leicestershire —Hurt ;erfuril,—Suriey, &c. praying the restoration of the Qu. mioie to Lie Liturgy. Mr. DEN MAN said, that these petitions were more no. cessary than ever, for since the end of the proceedings io the Lords, the conduct towards the Queen was rif it more unjust and calumnious character than. The ministers ram talked of the numerous depusitions that had nut beets brought !for. ward, and they had also at their ow n experice, circulated time Attorney Geueril's ttoicluent as the ruse proved against the Queen. Was that to be denied or out 1 Amid specr bo s of certain Lords bud been sera through the country tit the . . . Goverinin sit expellee, anal under (sank+ I would the noble lord deny thisl would the 'louse bear these thin;►—that House a hich berme(' at all Is 'cards, determined to suppult maunders ? it has said, that all proceeding,' were to be abandoned, and yet the noble lord dealt in such fatal insia."l - Ile would suppose a If the noble lord were . cliar,,ed with acts of bribery, Nes in Ireland; if a new ministry here to send a commission to Ireland In enquire iota the conduct of the ell-11k011bler j said if au abashed initostry atitcsicardas abanalmsed the bill—would the Noble Lord d cm it just to be spoken of at a guilty peasimage to the legality of the ques • regarding the liturgy, he never had a doubt about it ; and if the Qurru had accepted the proferred bribe, he should have held her win 1.1 thy ni the protection trans and opinion of the counts", alien the Queen would always enjoy, as long as the wan true so herself.—(Lousi cheers.) Lord t ASTL LIIIEAra II thought it was hard that the gen tlemen opposite were to have warrant sit chase" against tae iminstr, without their being allowed to ratite at bawl in defence ; the Queries party %Vele 10 puy journals, and so cit COMO slander, and if Goss.' mural sent mow rots reeled io (minis, then there has high 'dent es But MI long as this systi us lasted, sit 101148 i it %u► said this gurus 1011 should nut be at rest, he would petaevcre on detlariug eloat he otcetno - d in be taut, Ur. IIL.IIL olr-ervett, that if Ili, N..ble Lord did cot (For tOrlialltaftoll arloi,c 46.) A,