The National Register. — London, England, 1816-04-07 00:00:00

and that was the great simrce of her evils. His remedy there- Aire, would be to make all pm suns hi Ireland, high and low, obedient to the law. There w ait a great error in the educations of the Irish : and that was, that they were not taught proper obe dience to their parents. For the peasant only corrected hits son by Limekiln : him iliiwn ;that was his mode of teaching hint obe dience—( 1 long!! iiistanrud the ieiiiimisy of the Irish to ward, the English prow ietors of land : One of them, who lived on the late Earl of Slielliarne's est .'c, being told that the Noble Owner was a Fitsanaitriee. said, " a Ft:am:wrier ! What are they?—Fellows that came in with Stronghow!"—This was the tllinntOn expression of contempt of the OStillirans and the O'Donaglines, who comidered themselves the aboriginal Irish people. The Earl of C %NARY AN supported, and the Earl of ST. GEn pi ANS opposed the motion. Lord not.LAND and Lind CriuN% mks: supported the motion for a Comnii; tee. Lord st ninon TN opposed the motion. The Na' penis of Itticaincua 'coiled. The Mast , then di ♦ided. For the motion tit--.lg4iitst it Majority 70. Adjonrue,l at Half- past Two. (Wednesday and Thursday nothing of public interest oc curred.] rRIRiV, APRIL S. MILITARY OBSTRUCCIONS IN THE STREETS. The rarl of ESSEX called the attention of the House to an outrage offered to his person, in the avenues to Parliament. He complained that he was stopped in his carriage, by a soldier with a drawn sword, at the end of St. James's-street, who re fused to let him pass, and struck the horses with his sword. This be considered not only a breach of privilege as a Peer of Parliament, but a proceeding dangerous to the freedom of the subject. The Earl of LIVERPOOL said, the object he had in view in placing soldiers round the avenues of the palace was only for the purpose , of preserving order. Lord OrtaNsti.LE considered the practice of placing the military at the Levee a dangerous proceeding, adverse to the constitution, and deserving of reprobation. The cis it pours., namely coastabies and magistrates, could only be employed, uoless the peace WdS broken. The LORD CHANCELLOR was of opinion the civil power ought to be employed; yet he had no objection to see the either do the duty of a citizen in preserving the peace. The Marquis of BUCKINGHAM asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department, whether tin re would be a re currence of the interruption complained of? Lord SU/MI:MTH said, in consequence of what had passed yesterday, he felt it incumbent on him to take care that civil officers iu future shall he stationed in all parts of the town where the military are employed. After some further remarks from Lords Grey, Holland. and Buckingham, the subject was disposed of, en assusilllCC hying given that the constables and magistrates are in future to be employed instead of the soldiery. Lord LANSDOWNE, after a speech of considerable length, /loved for a return of the aincoded estimates for the service of the year, and after a long debate, his motion was agreed to. — Adjourned. HOUSE OF COMMONS, Moknav, APRIL 1. LORD ELLr.N BOROUGH. LerdCncoaartr rose to present another charge against Lord lElleeittorotigh,which,lieobserved,could not by any construction, be tortured into an implication of any of the other Learned Judges. The charge was delivered in. It accused the Noble Lord of partiality and oppression, in refusing to hear the noble Lord (Lord Cochrane), on applying for a new trial; and, with 'misrepresentations, iodating a false conclusion on his trial, in respect to the evidence given against him ; and by such misre presentations, impressing Mr. Justice Le Blanc with a wrong idea of the merits of the case, which led to the infamous and unjust sentence pronounced against him.—The Noble Lord moved, that the charge be printed. Mr. B. BATHURST conceived that the charge went to incul pate Mr. Justice Le Blanc, who was accused of passing an un jest sentence, though the Noble Lord had stated he did not mean to in pis , n the conduct of that Learned Judge. The Right Hon. Gent. then moved that the further consideration of the question be adjourned till Friday next. Agreed to. WAR MALT TAX. Mr. LvTrtyrosi asked in what manner the Right lion. (len tleman meant to dispense with the. Malt-tax ; what drawback be intended to allow; and what his general object was in giving relief? Mr. Vanstrran? observed, that a Bill was in preparation en the subject. lie had already stated, that the Maltsters would be entitled to the re-payment of the duty which they may have paid for the stock in hand. In order to prevent the stagnation arising to the Brewers, art arrangement would be wade also for taking an account of the stock in hand, as in the 4rmer case, up to the sth of July, so that they might be en. led to brew to that period ; when the War Malt ditties would repaid to them for the whole of their prevent Mock. Mr. CALVERT was afraid, that the Right Hon. Gent, had vats Ie d the Norse ; for he believed that he wished the dower to rew as fast as he could, and lie would give him a propor ttod‘f the Agar Maltdnty up to the sth of July ; but If he did not brew at all, then he was to lose the whole of the ditty on /dock in hand allowed to him. Mr. V sustiv %try . .vas disposed to enter into the question with every degree of kherality ; arrangements 'night be wade for beer already brewed, as well as if the brewer continued to brew up to the sth of July. NAVY ESTIM vrEs. In the Committee, Sir O. WARRENOkIt moved. that asum not miceeding .13, 4 011. 1::s. bd. be granted for the service of the Nat y Puy Office for the present year. MI! IIFN NETT ar:idell to the office held lit the Right Hon. Ow. (Mr. Rose; of Treasurer of the Navy ; and objected to the grant of 40001. a year for the pay of that Officer. The Noble Lord, he observed, had beta conipelled to withdraw the Arral. Estimates, to make some reductions; and he saw eo reason %S 11::, under the general distresses of the country, sonic reduction shuald not trke place in the Cit it Department of the Navy.- -The Hon. Gent. moved, therefore, to reduce the Trea surer of the Navy's salary to 20301. a year. Mr. Rose e • pressed his satisfactioa at the manner in which the Hun. thus. lieu proposed the redoctiou. He did not mean to say, that his labours were worth 40001. a year, but he wished to °tiger v. tha• at the Revolution the Treasurers of the 'Nils had 20001. a )ear, to which office wax attached many perqui sites : but in order to reduce these profits an addition of 20001. a year was Mile in lieu of them. Now, he did not see why be should be in the mark for reduction, nor would it be im puted to him th t lee clung to office. I usti ad of its being as office of little tiouble, he had to assure the House that he hail Often been up two hours before daylight to attend to the THE NATIONAL REGISTER. coLec ros of Las uftice, wbich were far from being of n trifling nature. Mr. larnaterr was not aware what ocenpations the Right lirm. Gent. had inked with tie. duties of this office, for he had many !vet:jot:tams ; but he must ,ay, that one hour in the day, as he was informed, was sothrient to dischatge the ditties of Treasurer of the Navy. With relied , to the other offices in the naval departments, he should move to IrrdllCC them in rhtt of enwhenent. Bat, however, he supposed the Right Hon. Gent. 'mid not object to receive 30401. a year, and then proposed that sum instead of •ICOOI. Mr. RA111.A.411 was in favour of the reduction ; not from any person.' feeling towards the Right Hun. tienthanon, but Ii ow a convictiun that retrenchment illetcry possible any was ne cessary. • Mr. Rose stated, that the Clerks In his Office enteresi at sa laries of 7al. they were ten years in the office before they rose to 991. and must be in the care a long ilk beffire they obtain ed d salary canal to what the lien. Gent. (Mr. Barclay) gas e 114 prineipal elerk. Mr. Tllo7dPSoll paid an honenrable testimony to the public character of 31r. Ruse ; who, lie said, had ale ..ya been the steady friend and protector of the lower classes of people y and, he belies ed, salualfie public servant. He wished that the Right Hon. Gent. would complete his chat:icier and 'bane, by relinquishing now a sum of Wool. a year out of his salary as an example to others. The fortune ofthe Right Hou. could *ell earthly him to do this, and his eamnple might have great effect on others. Mr. ROSE was greatly obliged by the flattering manner in which the Hon. Gent. had spoken of hint ; and he might be in duced to follow the lion. Gentleman's advice ; but that he had, on one occasion, given tip a salary of 10001. iu hopes that others would hese ffillow ed his example, but not a aingle person had done so —t hens, !war.) Mr. Losu Mr. R.DINION and Mr. Mmtniorr were against ally reduction in the salary of the Treasurer of the Navy. Mr. Ptiesrox supported the Amendment ; and urged the advantages which would arise from an crumple set by so old and honourable a servant of the Public as the Right Hun. Gentletnau. Mr. Baxitea was against making advance in salaries; the state of the country would not admit of it ; but he was equally ~vase to reducing the salaries of Officers, who for 30 sears, had performed the duties of their office in a most eflicient inaimer. Alter a few words from Mr. Forbes, Mr. Bennett, Mr. Mar riott, and Mr. Fhallev, a division took place—Per the Amend meet 21—For the °Vilma motion GO—Majority -Li. On re-admission tutu the gallery, we found Capt. Per.r.aw speoking. He was calling the attention of the Ummilittee to the hardships suffered by sailors on foreign stations, owing to he system which at present existed of keeping back their pas whilst on for.-igil swims. This measure, lw understood, was intended to prevent desertion, hut he was well convinced that it had a contrary effect, and that the hardships and imposi tions to which the men were thus subjected, caused very fre quent desertions. He did not blame MiniStelS fi.r this system, it existed long before they came into power, but he dal now recommend to them, as a time of leisure had arris ed, that they would turn their attention to the subject. Sir 0. Hoes: was persuaded that the men did not consider the system which at present existed AS a hardship. The gene ral desire amen to serve abroad was a proof of this, ;and many men to his knowledge declare that tt•eir desire to go abroad arose from the very circumstance of having all the it pay to re ceive on their return. lie was so well convinced of the policy of the present mode of paying the sezuncn on foreign stations, that he should oppose any attempt to th;er it. Capt. PIiLLEW repeated what lie had before said. He had known men alien abroad, take np slops, and other articles of that description, of the Purser nil di•ctunt, for which they had been charged a pound, and which they immediately sold for half-a-crum n, to buy thenwelves soap and other necessaries ; and thus he had known men, after being abroad 13 or 14 years, on their return, not have inure than three or four years pay to receive. He should not propose ally measure ' but should sug gest that Commissioners should be appointed to pay the men whilst on foreign station.. Mr. yonnes was in favour of the plan suggested by Captain Pellet He could assure the Committee that the hardship sustained by the Officers was even greater than that telt by the common men. He had himself known instances in which the Officers had been under the necessity of paying 24 and 30 per cent. for the discount of bills whilst on the India station. Capt. WALDF.GHASE was also of opinion that the present existing system was one of very great hardship, and one which called loudly for alteration. Mr.Roce considered the plums proposed by the Hon. Captain (Pellew) as impracticable. It could only be done by a regu lar establishment on every station. He was ready to acknow ledge with that gallant officer that it would be a very desirable object to base the men famished either with pay or necessa ries. Admiral MARKHAM WB3 desirous that some plan should be adopted for pay lug to seamen and officers part of their pay. He had known instances in his ship, where officers drawing for 251. in 11w Mediterranean, had leceived only 111, or 131. Mr.Caoaart contended,that any change of the present system would be to the disadvantage of the officers as, with the ex ception of the year 1818, the ENchange had been always in fa vour of the officers of the Navy, Mr. BARING said, this was surprising ; as, if the Hon. Seem ..try's statement Was correct, officers must hate contrived to draw on terms much more advantageous than nurchnitts could do. Mr. W. WYNNE remarked upon a snm of 17041. for messen gers, fire-lighters, porters, ..sec. Some of these received a salary 0f.24i1. The commissioners had recommended that nu messenger should hare more than 1501. Mr. BnotaHAM wishrd fur some further explaintCon on the sub.j.-et of the Foreign Exchange, Is Lich the Hun. Gentleman said bad ales ays been either at par. or fa% tunable to this country ; whilst, in all the enquiries before the Bullion Committee, it was stated that the Exchange was aeiiinst us. Mr. H•MMERBLEY and Mr. I,vlTrs.l us, of their own know. ledge, were able to state, that in the 51editerranealt, in 18011 and 1510, Exchange was from 20 to 25 per cent. against the officers. Mr. YORKE defended the statement of Mr. Croker. Sir J. P. BEREt4'ORD believed the sailors would be very sorry to be paid abroad, anti not have any momy when they came home. He had never heard :my sailor wodi tor his pay abroad. Such a plan would render the men discontented. Voting officers might entertain an opinion that this would be acceptable to the men, whereas it would render them tits ,at +shed. _ _ _ Mi. Fonans, and Sir IL C. Funuuson contended, that the navy should be put on the same footing with the army, as to the gates of foreign exchange operating on their pay is..roail. Lord CASTLEREAGH said, regular paymasters actumpanied the army abroad a but that *am sot tha case w,th the fletti APRIL 7. and therefole if the Howie should adopt this plan, the) most. new The goestion uaIN then put,.that a sum of 43,8641. 12s. mi. should be grunted, to defray the expcnce of Works and cons tinkenctes in the navy-office. . . Mr. M4RTIN woveil an amendment on the contingencies, by leaving out 70001. from them, us the Secretary of the Admiralty had not yet produced the proper accounts on that putt of the estimates. On this Amendment the House divided. For the Amend. mot, 571 against it, 153—Majority 06. The sum of 411,19.11. Ss. 4d. was then voted to defray the salaries and contingencies in the victuallinviflice. Sir O. ABRENDER ON, nosed a sum of 27,5331. 26. for the officers of Deptiiiiti yard; which was agreed to. lie then moved a sum of 32,0001. fur the expellees of Wuoksicti dock-yard. TIERNFY Caateaded,that a Commissioner was not want ed now at that yard, with two boats' crews, Ne. Sir G. WARIUNIIEIt maintained, that a Commissiont r was necessary to be established in that yard permanently, in order to check the commons loss of naval stores. Admiral MAR/L/4.10: was of opinion, that this Commissioner could not cost the country much less than 20001. a year, ex clusis e of his house. The sum was then voted.--45.0001. was then voted for Chat ham-yard; 25,021. for Shecrness.yard ; t;0,7551, for Ports. mouth-yard; 4•2.1321. fur Piyinontli•yard; 07941. for the Outs ports; 57,1 tgl. fur the Foreign-yartle. Mr. ISAR Nu contended, that there were mote Increases in the salaries of our officers in the foreign dockyards. The stirveyor of timber for Nova Scotia was au useless office, as there was always u provincial surveyor In all parts of our North mcricati possessions. Sir G. Wsunrienide understood that this officer regularly corresponded with the Navy Office, and was assiduous iu pre serving the thither fit for the navy. The Hun. Baronet then mm d a start of 147 OM. for the officers of ships in of dietary. lie then moved 1311,61;,I. fur victualling the ship-keepers and men of the vessels in ordinary. Mr. BARIKG said, that there was an appari nt eNCCSS of 40,0001. on this charge, which certainly required explanation. In. 1813 the men were victualled at Is. a man; lint by these estimates they are charged at is lid. a Inall • so that the excess of this was io,tif-G!. over that of the preceding year; and yet provisions of every kind were so much clue iper, that dm* should be a diminution of one-half instead of an inert ase of one-half. MI Canaan thought this a case requiring a %planation, and capable of being fully explained. 'flee estiu.stei of the former years aere tatting, and mould nest meet vide the esigeticies or the service. The Admiralty had now brought the peeper esa dinettes fully before tl,•e House. For 26 years betrdre 171.16,, there was no difference in the estimate s in this respects but Mr. Pitt then made the estimates be corrected to what they ought really to be stated at. lei ibito, the harbour estimate was ar Is. and Is. ad. while the se-a estimate vcas raised to -Is. id. per diets. But now the Admiralty had made out a ;;; i ; nits and genuine estimate, stick as should have been i.rodeterd of 1896. At present the seavictualling: was Is. bd. and that of the harbour was Is. bd. a man per diem. After some further observations, the motion was agreed to. 'lke following sums acre then voted: —132,149 fur harbour moorings, &c.; 35,1801. for repairs of ships; and 1,110,! , -1-Ji k fur half-pay to officers, widows' pensions, &c. Capt. PELLEw noticed the distinction between the widows' pension in the army and navy. Mr. CRo ►6R stated, that the widows of naval officers, if they meta on balfpay, obtained their pensions —not so widow, of army officers in similar circumstances. The - following sums Wele then voted:- 72,7001. for the Superannuated List 2,153,. - 013 thr repairs of Ships of War 470,151; for provision for Garrisons, &e: 61,303 fur Salaries of Transport Office 1,411,011 for Service orrransport Office 112,904 for Sick and Hurt Stamen 6.50120 for Prisoners of War 2,100 fur Superannuated Clerks. The Report was then received.—Adjourned at Half-past Twos TUE4DAY, APRIL 2. A petition was prescutcdniitCcol;;lty olKent, complain. ing of the distresses of the Agricultural Interests, and pray ing some relief against the oppression of tythes. Lord Lascclles presented a petition from Leeds, Wakefield, and 'fadcaster, against the imposition of a duty ou Rape-seed, as injurious to the Woollen Manufacturer. ,qtr. Chaplin moved ter leave to bring in a Bill to emend the Art paiised in the last Session for levying County Rotes.— Leave given. Read a first time. Sir .1. Shaw presented a petition from the Ward of Cripple. gate, pray ing lbr retrenchment in the public expenditure, is of der to give effectual relief. They did hot require such re. trencliment as mould tun, out of employ a number of ordinary clef ks, but such as would give permanent relief, and would on:y touch the higher depai talents of the State. SAVING BANKS. Mr. Rose obtained leave to bring in a Bill to encourage Sa ♦ing Ranks. The Right Hon. Gout. observed, that, from the want (L'a means of depositing their overplus cash, many we re often induced to waste their property in drunkenness and dis sipation; so that, in the hour of distress and necessity, they had no other resource to Hy to for relict• except the poor-house. To the Gentlemen of Edinburgh, and Bath much praise was clue fur having set on foot this subject (Saving Banks). II the House would for a moment look at the importance of this mea sure. it would be seen, that in the course of a few years, a la bouring man laying by Is. per week, would have a small ca pital to make himself comfortable. He stated, that in his own county, a labourer, having only Ins, per week, had accumulated, at the age of 33, nut less a sum than 1001.1 He hoped Gentle men in their neighbourhoods, and those at the head of mum. factories, would exert themselves to encourage a disposition fur saving in those under them. It would infuse into the minds of the common people, a spirit of independence, and make theta better men and better subjects. TI money, he ob served, raised by Pours' Rates within the List year was six millions sterling) : and yet the 111101* were not one bit better oaf than they were in the veer 17;8, at %%Melt time the sum was only 1,500,0001. The Right Hon. Gent. then moved for a Bill to protect the raving Banks. Mr. Thompson expressed his obligations to the Right Hon. Gent. fur his exertions in favour of the poor, and he thanked him for bringing in the Bill to legalize Bcnetit societies, H e hoped the present Bill would afford additional relief. He suggested, that it should be made as simple as possible. for the connAexity of the measure had alarmed and palsied the exer. Bons aids friends in Yorkshire. Mr. VANSITTART %%as happy to mate that there could not b• a sulijrct more ile.cr% lag of public and parliiinioniai aft( u. Lion. - 1% !tamer tended to excite a spirit of independence k