The National Register. — London, England, 1817-05-05 00:00:00

MAY 5. TVESDAY, •PRII. 29. Mr. LPIIIIINGTON inoved the second reading of the Salt Duty Bill. Sir C. Poi.v. paid, that from been able to give the subject, he was still farther convinced that this Bill ought lint to pass in its present state. He moved that the Bill he read a second rims- this day six months. Mr. Will INGTON said, this Bill was nut intended to op. press the fishers, but to give them the benefit of tryiug the experiment of Bock Salt in the cure of fish, which is much cheaper than relived Salt, and load been found by the Isle of Man fishers to be snitch better for the cure of fish. Mr. 'I REM SIN contended, that the fish cured by home made salt would not keep like that which was preserved by foreign salt. Mr. D. DIL/IrRT proposed, that the Bill should he referred to a Cummittee iip stairs, where the subject would be scien tifically considered. He expressed his determination to take tie sense of the House on the propriety of referring this Bill to a Committee tip stairs, where he would he able to prove that the fisheries could not at present be carried on without foreign salt. Sir T. Aeha.smin thought that a Committee op stairs was the only proper place for discussing a measure like this. Mr. FINDLAY thought nothing could be fairer than to allow the fishers to make the experiment with rock salt.; but at the same time he must look with great jealousy at any attempt being made to lay father restrictions on salt at present. Mi. VANSITTAKT hoped the Bill would be allowed to go through the second reading; and then.it could be submitted to a Committee up.stairs. The A.iieuthuent was then withdrawn by Sir C. Pole. Mr. DAVENPORT expressed his determination to oppose thi, Bill. Mr. CA LcoATT said, it was not his iutention to agitate this salt q u estion any more this Session. The Bill was thee read a second time, and ordered to be committed on Monday senniglit. Mr. VANSIITART gave notice that he would to-morrow move fur a Committee on the use of Kook Salt in the fisheries THIRD SECRET %Kir OF STATE, • Mr. TIERNEY rose to resume a motion he had made last year, for a Committee to inquire-unto the propriety of abo lishing the office of Third Secretary of State. This office wits considered by Mr. Burke as an excrescence growing not of the necessities of the case. In trio 2, the business of the-Co lonies was traitsthrred from the Home Secretary to she War; and then it got the name of the War and Colonial Office. His proposal was to throw back the business of the Colonies to the Hume Secretary's Office. Let Gentlemen consider those dirties, sod then say if the present Secretory could have so niece business as to pievesit him from eating,-driliking and ' , fretting. Let them examine Lord Chichester; and if he said the Colonic* were taken request, because he hail too mock to de, then he Mr. Tiers pry) would shut his month, and never speak bait in tavoneof a Third Secretary. Lord sidinontli could not now emnplaiu of Irish coreespm.denee, or the dljlitla, ur Aliens; and, in deed the Office GI the Home Secretary was nothing new but a General Ponca. Ofitee. The abolition oiling Office would be a saving of 12,VJUi. to the country; hot the Finance Commit tee had paid no ottraitiou to it. Resides, ley aniaishing this Other, th.e cuuutry would also save 2,01.)1. a year, which la& tie ei ante., to the sseerelars in two years more. Thus Lima,„ is..alal citail) he saved might be a !wiled to many other uses. Hl lilt IMP Mr. Or the FIO&OCIr Cf./MIMI fee. and elided their Itepert au old %sniped up Kisport ; and that while tbuy teeontiiienaled to atnniela vile office, they recoin. netril ti. estsolish a new one. These w.s no more necessity for '!,haul Seel etart , than there leas a !herd ili , lanishup. tlieii loose:I, that .5 Committee hie aup.iirsted hO iiiepaire, how fat the inisines, rat she Thud Si caviar) of state could Ile trim-I : erre d to the Office of the Haaie Secretary. • - Air. Gnt,LeuurN said, die Hoot. Gentlelliaii opposite never applied for a Committee of Bimini) he had preiltier t 1111 l that the °Mee to be immured olio should bt He therefore did sot h tiul Imaseti oolind to sliest' that We. Committee would lie unnecessary, as these was a Committee ti.•w enquirine into what Olives ought or ought out to be abolished. •He (void out imagine hue/ any one could :issert, . that the eolimiai business was less now than at any fusilier time—the increase lit our Colonies and their pr.nperits must increase the business of Mem. He (lid not hr lie ye that the House wouli consent to a Measure winch would pro:lace a saving of 12,000/. a year, but which would sanction the inn; overnment of the Colonies. To those who viewed the Co• lonics as our strength in war, mid our itlessing in peace, this prope..ition would nut be very agreeable. He opposed the motion. Mr. MARRS:Cr Supported the motion. 31r. 4. BROWN gave his deeided negative to the motion. Mr. Hannan was convinced that there was no real (ME tally in effecting this alteration, if it should be LA mid, by ihe evidence brought before the Como that such an alters tiOn is necessary. He should, therefore, give the motion Isis most cordial support. Sir Mr. RIDLEy supported the motion. Lord MILTON said, he had no doubt that this reduction might be made without any injury to the Government of the Colonies; and•withont giving them any dissatisfaction. As the Committee of Finance had nut at all adverted to this Office, it became the duty of the House to appoint another Committee to enquire into this Office. Mr. PossoulY said, if the House did not agree to this mo tion, lie was afraid it would suffer in the estimation of the people. Mr. BATBURST could not agree that a saving of 12,000/. a year ought to be made at the sacrifice of the busimess 4.1 the Colonies. 'the Hight Hon. Gentleman entered at length into a reply to the argument of Mr. Ponsonby t namely, that no person had yet said, the other Secretaries of State had so muck to do that they could not divide the labours of this amongst them. He contended that the Foreign Secretary and the Home Secretary had already as many duties, and as much important business to attend to, as they could fairly perform. Our foreign relation• were so extensive at present, and embraced so many important objects, amongst which the Slave-trade alone was almost sufficient to occupy the atten tion of one Secretary exclusively; therefore the Foreign Se cretary ball certainly already quite sufficient duties to dls charge.—With respect to the Home Secretary, in the present state of the country, no one. lie presumed, would be found who would contend that he had not duties of the first magni tude, *ldly sufficient to demand his entire attention, without Imposing any new labours upon him. Under these circum stances, be was fully persuaded that the present minims was iU timed, to say the least of it ; and Ise should oppose it. The Gallery was tiseu cleared fur a division, and the rmm . hers were—For the Moho° S7—Against it 190—Majority against the Motion 103. THY, NATIONAL REGISTER. LONDON PHILOSOPHICAL SOCIETY. Sir M. W. Ringetir said, in consequence of what had passed last night on receiving the Petition of the Academical Society, it would be unnecessary for him to bring forward the motion of which he had given notice; but he had an other instance of , a similar kind to allude to; and that was, that of the rennet to licence another Society caked The Len ders PkilaseipAiml Middy. This Society applied for a licence on the 11th of Apwil, and it was then refused, and refused be cause a List of tin• Names of the persons forming the Society was not affixed; and the Howse would be more surprised to hear, that the Learned Recorder of London was one of the Magistrates who had thus construed the Act. He did Out mean to blame these Magistrates ; but lie blamed the framers of this Act for not barittg rendered it more intelligible. He concluded by snowing fora copy of the Petition presented to the Magistrates of London, in Sessions, by the London Aca demie Society, on' the 18th of April, together with any order made thereon. Mr. Alderman ATatas defended the conduct of the Ma gistrates of London. These Magistrates held a Special Sessions for the impose of receiving the Petition of the Academics; that Pefition prayed for a licence to hold meet ings to discuss Philosophical and Political subjects. This description not satisfying the Magistrates, they desired the Petitioners to define what was meant by Philosophical and Political Subjects ; the Petitioners refused to do this, and the Magistrates in consequence refused the licence. Mr. TIERNEY wished the Hon. Alderman would define what Philosophical and Political Subjects meant; the Hon. Alderman would perhaps also define what lie cousidered as being treason. Mr. Alderman Ara ins said, the Right Hon. Gentleman had araigned him *difficult task.—(a laugh). The motion was then agreed to. 'lime Report of time Committee of Supply was brought up s the Resolution fur granting 1,500,0001. in Exchequer Bills, for the relief of the indutrions poor was agreed to, and a Bill ordered accordingfy.—adjourned. WEDANADAI, A PHIL 30. CLERGY itEguLATIos BILL. . Mr. NIANN gas Surrom, after a speech fraught with much good sense, and statistic his object to he to prevent the Clergy from falling into the hands of common informers, for non residence M.. moved for leave to bring in a Bill amend and consolidate the acts with respect to spiritual persons holding farms, fur enforcing the residence of spiritual per suns un their heiiitices.,, sod fur the support and maintenance of stipendiary curates.--( Ilefir, hear ! ) Ge.teral 'lnoutrutibigitified his assent to the motion, but t"Sted Ant fiite is *e stilt to retain the power of inter fering in the disriplint of the church, whenever it should ap pear to Ix neglected. After some rentatits from one or two Members, the Sill was brought in, re id a first time, and ordered to be'read second tune uu Friday seeutlight. SALT TAX. • The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHFIQUER moved, that a se lect committee be appointed to consider of the oiNe of Rock Salt in the fisheries; of the regulations respeetilg she storing of suit ; and of the ditties on foreign salt imported ; and that tiny should report their tmittious thereon to the Howie. Ater a few words from Nord Lasegt.t.es awl Mt. CCHWEN, the motion was agreed to, and the Committee named. Mr. GOULOURN gave entice, that he would move, to-mor row. tOr leave to bring is a thU for the regulation of Mar _ rta ges in POOR-RATES. Lord LAKELLISII rose, ;..•rmonnt to notice, to ■IAro for leave to bring in a Bill ta woke lead wines chargeable td the Po-r-rates. Lord 3iii.tor4- seconded the Motion, and olpiervetl, that though this 11111 would estabfkli a new law, it would not an act auy new pi :belies., as he had rm etre& infsirmatioli that, for tipw .r.ls of twenty yews past, the proprietors of these mines had been rated tossares the relief sit she poor. The moths.' was agreed to, and the RIB aa. re ad it first times Mitered to be read a second time on Cie 19ili of Ma ..m.l to be pi EXCHEQUER BILLS R ELI El: B ILL. The CHANcI.II.I.OR tit' the ElkcliElat ER brought in a BO! In enable the Co 11111 l issioners of the 'treasury to issue mine foe himilred thousaad pounds in Esichrquer Bills, Ilinlor certain limitations, for the flirt ..eriince of public not ks of utility, the eucom moment of the fisheries, anil the em ployment of the poor, fur a limste time, ACClllities brine erten for the repayment. Read a first time, and ordered to be read a second time ou this day sennight, and to be printed. Mr. ilnoubitast presented a petition from the united parishes at St. Mary Ahlefaillfy, and St. Thomas the Apostle, against the London 'lithe niti.—Ordered to lie on the Table. Mr. BENNET moved for.a tetilftl of the nuoiloa. of Writs Ridged with 11w Sub Sheriffs of Dublin for the last three years; oldie n 1111 l her of special juries summoned during that time; and for a Copy of the Table of Fees taken in the Site tiff's Office.—tlrilered. Mr. BENNETT then moved fora return of the number of Persons, males, and females, distinguishing those oho were • ender 21 years, that had been transported to New South Wales since the Ist of Juana'', Isl2.—Ordered. 11r. LESIIINGTON brought in the State Lottery Bill, which was read a first time, and ordered to he read a second time to-morrow. The other orders of the day were disposed of, and the House adjourned. No business of general interest. FRIDAY, MAT 2. BREACH OF PRIVILEGE. Mr. BENETT addressed the Otair, for the purpose of calling the attention of the horse to • proceeding which he enuelacred as affecting the privileges or a cans:inner, and therefore as equally affecting the privileges of the house. He held a book in his hand which had been transmitted by its author to the committee of police, and wasentitled " A Vindication of the Magistrates of the Tower division front the Charges contained iii the Minutes of Evidence talon before the Committee of the House of C 1111 l mons, &c. Without commenting on the general tone of its language and observations , which was far from re spectful, and without referring to allusions which concerned himself personally, there were passages in the work that ap peared to him grossly offettsive, and amounting to a direct violation of Parliamentary _privilege. The person whose name appeared to the public:die/Iliad been smumuned to at. tend the cetntnittee. when hiseeknowledged hituself to be the author ; and with respect towhat followed lie would state to the house, after reading in the first place the passage of which be felt it his duty to complain. By the direction of Oa griIAILER, the clerk then read the title of the book, and a par amass passage io it, the batiste», s 1111:114DAY. of which was as follows : " The author had intiaired into the compotition of Parliamentary committees, having previously conceived that all the membersof them atleitiled,and that all the evidence received by them was fairly reported. He had disco vered,however, that in the meetings of the city police-commit. tee, the chairman (Mr. Calvert) alone attended; and that, when tire inquiry respecting the house of Hatiloory was under cou sideratime the opponent evidence of Mr. Fox would not have been, muter other circumstances, rejected. As to another member, who was called Captain Bennett, he presumed, flan* this appellation, that he had not dedicated much or his time to the study of the law or the nature of legal evidence: • He meant no disrespect to the committee ; tie acknowleelged their authority, and bowed to their decisions. He protested against his observations being tortured to an opposite vote •. etructiem, beeau.se he did not tel himself hound in euascienee to admit either tlie candour or impartiality of their proceed ings. He entertained an enthusiastic veneration fur the in stitutions of his country ; but he ceillui have wished that his friend, Mr. itereeron, had been tried before Lord Eltenbo rough and a jury, rather than by a Parliamentary committee, He hail no partiality for committees, whether they wile the committees of Cromwell, or the committees of the Preach re volution, inquisitions, or star•ehainbers." (Hear, hear.) Mr. 13e.etter then observed, that be was not di-ire:seri to take ap the time of the house by reading any other passages of the book, or entering into any detailed examination of them; but would acquaint the house with what had passed • when the author was called upon to declare whether he had any explanation to offer on the subject of these inlteltdert- He was first asked on what grounds he had imputed to.tria coininittee a want of candonr and impartiality; to which his answer was, he denied that he had done so; be abided by what he had said. On being fat ther questioned, upon his honour and clientele'. to say, that in the expressions he had employed he intended nothing disrespectful to the committee. he declined to answer any question that might tend to Crimi nate himself. (Hear, hear). " When it was inquired what lie meant by the expressions as to the committees of Catena well and the French revolution, he replied he she ant what he had stated. " no you 111C111/ to assimilate the conduct of nhia committee to that of the committees you refer to?" " No, certainly not, I had no idea of the kind." (A laugh.) " What. then, is it that you do mean by the allusion ?" " I meant it only to till up a period." Heise; farther interroeutted, he said lie had neither alteration aloe addition to make to the answers lie had given. it was then intimated to him that the anbjcet would engage the attelitien of the house; and it was fuir to hint to state, that he had that morning tender e4l as ekplanation, expressing contrition for the answer in wquelt he had objected to any question that might eriminete him self. With respect to theanswer in which lie had uterreird his object in the use of curtain language to he merely the filling lip a pevied, he had certainly intended it *its a rheto rical tivtre sio rc6 ; bht as he fumed it had riven offence, lie was sorry for it, and had given dire( Count to his publisher to stop the sale of the 000 k. Under these citrumste tires Le was not disposed to gum farther than to move,. " that the Rev. Thomas Thiilwall be ordered to atteuti this house oit Wednesdisy next." The SPEAK FR observed, that it would he proper to move for so much of the evidence as the explanation in question applied to; and that it vmit, then be for the limber to call on the accused, to know what farther explanation he had to oti,r t Mr. BEN NtT --tecoribugly unused fur a copy of so roue ut the minutes of es id. lice taken befit e the coniasittve, ~ hoed to the explAnot• .2iven to the (imonite, of ce....in passages in e work writtou by the Itlrd •T. ThlriVi Ali, which. WWI hasped.' parineed, mot entered to be 'meted. The q .00 for the ativu.l•isce of Mr. Teiriwall nit Wad. tie W.I. till. - 11 put. and courted unothospoto•i. No other business of importance occurred.—Adjontired. MOST STROCIOVS MURDSR ANn OARING ROA/11MT. has devolved upon its to add to the annals of human di. rovi.„ occurrence of its flagitious a hoe as ever tea within the l !ass of Mir observation—all 410.16011 N lootiery and sitvaaa :murder of 'two domestics, in the broad face of 'lay, on pro mises in the bosom of a popitions neighoonrhood, and on the i.artiestiar day in the week alien immense u•imbers of coun try p.•ople are constantly passiag and sepassing to town close 61 t h e sole of barbarity. The house in which the nrir.her. was co. tttttt tied is in Pendleton (a suburb, and two miles front the Exeliatige of Nlanehester), adjoins the turnpike-roach to Liverpool;and is sits-sounded by mans houses, although none are particularly connected with it. Is belong', to a Mr. Lit tlewooil, a respectable grocer in Salford, who was duly at tending to the stranest avocations of the market•day, and was left in the eire of an elderly woman (housekeeper) and ser vant girl. The woody blisimess most have been perpetrated uefiwe o'clock, as a nurse-maid of a neighbouring family went it that hour to see Mr. girl, with whom she was intimate. 'C.oe doors were lucked, and many of the a intloa-bliuds down; in consequenee of which the iiiirse• maid returned home, having first attempted to open the door, and cursorily look through the window of the rooms, in which she indis tinctly saw the elderly woman iu an arm chair, twit 'whom she supposed to be asleep. The curiosity of the nurse-maid rexciteii she scarcely knows how) induced tier to return at seven o'clock, when she still found the doors locked, which alarmed her, from the singularity of the circumstance ; and, on looking through the window again attentively, she per. iced the old boost keeper apparently lifeless and much bruised. An alarm was immediately given, and the house entered by a ladder, when it appeared that the house was robbed, and the tx a helpless women inhumanly mord, red.— The instruments of destruction a hich it is supposed wine used were a cleaver awl • poker. The housekeeper, it is sup posed, offered no resistance, and was dispatched whilst asleep in the chair ; but the younger woman is conceited to have courageously resisted, as several of the blows inflicted were sudicieot 40 hero occasioned death. Si* mill have Lees already apprehended, tier of whom there is strong reason fur Atomising will iiltinialetr prove the perpetrators of the dialses licaldeetls of horror.— 3luitehesiter Mercury. Executor.—On Friday rooming was executed M the front of the Debtor's-door, Newgate; the wal-enewit Patrick Ryan. better known by the name of Paddy likown.• for highway rubbery, Brown had, as our readers may meallect. attempted an escape from Newipite. lk had his irons actually - sowed Of. a had hcen made fast to the cherau .r.de-frise of tbs well of th• log Senate struet, and nothing was wanting so She name but another rope fir the purpose of ascent mad inert. With this the wife of Brown w,.t entering the prises osene Siliediff sing. when ch.• plot was diwovered, the woman aprodmetist, mei the costody of Bross slid his cotnpautons made ITIOre Mae. Brown, shwa tl.e arrival of his de.ith-wmrant, minced every symptoms of pesAteee and re-iAna don, fully acknowledging the justice CZ his eememew A fe*mkr.utes after eibht o'clock he was launched We eternity. in the prestarx of fewer spectators than perhaps hasbeen helm llnoomi on any Anglo UCA: al. ligh