The National Register. — London, England, 1821-05-06 00:00:00

- r agance of ministers, he feared that the people would cease to have confidence in the house. The gallery was then cleared for a division on the amendment. The numbers were—For it 22—Against it o—Majority 30. The house then went into the committee. Lord PALMERSTON proceeded to move the necessary grants for equipping troops fur the East Indies, 23,1271. —Agreed to. Lord PALMERSTON moved 16,9001. for the Royal Military Academy. Mr. HUME objected to the grant. He disapproved of the institution. 'rite country was called on to pay enor mous expences for young men for the army who never could get into the army. In the last five years the col lege had cost about 120,0001. There had been upwards of 400 young men educated, but only 169 had been ad mitted, and thus their average expence each was 7201. and ispwards.—(iear.) Could it be desirable to keep up so extravagant an establishment? If education were requisite, nine out of ten of these who got commissions had received no military education. The system ought to be altered; there ought to be no more educated than were to have commissions. He, however, thought that it would be better really to do away with the college.; or, if continued, only to educate those alio should receive commissions; who should not be turned adrift after hay ing had a military education. The staff cost upwards of 40101. to take care of 290 boys. There was a governor, with IWO'. a year, and four horses, a deputy-governor, and the professors were equally extravagant. There were four French teachers; why would not one do? and there were five clerks to keep their accounts. Was emir an establiihrnent necessary ? Those young men ought to help themselves; and yet they had treble the number of assistants allowed in another seminary, lie proposed a reduction of 7.2001. After some further conversation the committee divided —For the amendment 21—against it 32. The original motion was then agreed to. Lore: PALMERSTON next moved that 175,9001. be granted fur the pay of generals not having regiments.— Agreed to. 'llse neat proposition was, that 28,0001. be granted for the pay of governors of garrisons. Mr. MIME said, some of the appointments were most extravagant, and ought to be done away with. He par ticalarly instanced that of Gibraltar, given to the Earl of Chatham. In his lordship's hands it was a complete sine cure, indeed there was a deputy with 3,5001. The Marquis of LONDONDERRY replied, that the governorship of Gibraltar was not so complete a sinecure, as Lord Chatham was about to proceed un his appoint ment, Colonel DAVIS contended, that such fact was no proof of the inutility of the appointment; besides, it had been understood that on the death of the Duke of Kent the governorship should be abolished, instead or which a suc cessor was appointed with what lie might term indecent baste. On the grant of guards and garrisons, Mr. HUME proposed to recline the sum named iu the resolution, by taking from it 19001. on the ground that so much might be saved on the garrisons of Berwick and Gibraltar. After some discussion the committee divided on this proposition: — Fur the amendment 20 Against it B7 Majority against the amentinicui-67 On the resolution for granting 115,0001. for half-pay officers, Mr. HUME proposed a reduction of 13,8701. for half. pay officers having oppuintments iu the veteran batta lions. A long conversation followed on this proposition, which was, however, disposed of without a division, the amend ment being negatived. On the proposition for granting 131,2651. to officers of foreign corps. Mr. HUME proposed to reduce the grant 3,0501. at present paid by officers for agency, front which charge, he said, the officers ought to be relieved, and then that aum might be saved to the public. Lord PALMERSTON contended that this agency was necessary in justice to the foreign officer, whose set vices we had taken advantage 01 during the war, and who ought now to receive their pay without diminutiun fur agency or other cause. Colonel DAVIS said, he understood there were many instances of foreign officers receiving lialf.pay from our government, and at the same time holding commissions in foreign armies. This lie contended ought not to be per mitted. —...--. Lord PALMERSTON said, lie had inquired into this subject, awl the result was, that no foreign officer hash's, accepted in foreign service, had drawn his halt-pay limn this gsverumcut. The resolution for the original sum was, after some further conversation, agreed to. 'the other resolutions were disposed of, and the House adjourned at a late hour. TULSDAVOMAY 1. The VV estminster Improvements Bill went through u committee. Report agreed to, and bill ordered to be read a third time to morrow. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQL; lit said he was prepared to begin lousiness by half-past four o'clock, if gen tlemen pleased—the time fur public business hithct to had been five, or moo after. Surely.--ARMY EfiTIMATES.—.—The CHANCELLOR of the EXCJILQUER theta moved, that the report of the committee of supply be received —Agreed Several of the items were agreed tm—On the item for the Stall'. Mr. H. BENNETT rose, He observed, that it was the intention of himself, or his hon. friend, to move hereafter a series of resolutions us to the essablisloomots. N low 'di stending all that had been d they had neither shamed the Mouse nor the ministers to reduce either the great sums or the small sums; but he felt assured, that the house would truer again see such scandalous e►tiumates. The public would out fail to recollect that such advantages would have b.•cn gained by a few iNdividuals ; but it was lamentable to think, that with 17 days exertions they h tol been nimble to gain the etteuti bbbb of the house of the sultject. Therefore it was in teuded to bring the whole questiou before the house to a series of resolutions. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER denied that the resolutions bad passed r ithout any alteration, our r here they what the bousr had any otea ion to he a%hained of. Alany tti ttoe itt.t.t:t.dtag moluttons ram tlt.o nitet4 .1.- . -- plain►. There was a d:•ticiency of evidence, otherwise he would have been brought to trial ; hut had he not been ap prehended by the authorities, they would have been guilty of a dereliction of their duty. The Lord Advocate added, that if nu action were brought—the viper course to pursue —lie should be prepared to ilblif) w hat had heel' Mr. MAXWELL said, as lu the cause of the di-turbanre, he asserted that it was the general belief in Scotland that spies had been employer• to urge that rising that had taken place. The petitioner approached that house to make it more manifest wi-it catraordinary powers were lll,Ssf'sSed by the Lord Advocate—puwitts that timait In be Mr. ;MONTEITH said, considering the state of Glnsgirie at the time, and the diffi•rent reports which reached t I.e magistr.:ces, it wits wonderful Opt more nriests had nut taken place, on I. ss warrantable grounds than justified the apprehension of this prisimer. If the petitioner had cause of complaint, the courts were open to him. Mr. HUMP; had in vain listened in the hope of learning that the apprehensions took place ou dipositiiiiis on oath ; and he wished to know whether such were the fact or not ? The LORD ADVOCATE replied, according to the lasv of Scotland, such depositions on oath were not oecesnaiy ; the public prosecutor proceeded on informatiou, and acted on his own responsibility. The law allowed that remise. Mr. HUME said, that thin admission proved the de plorable state of Scolchnien. This petitioner was treated most severely ; lie was shut up six days, and without pen, ink, and paper, and he was confined in a place Let apai for culprits. As to going to law, would Noy man iii hie senses go to law with the Lord Advocate ? for supposing the Cabe to be proved, would it not he said, that it was an " error in judgment ?" (Hear, hear.) He called on the house to institute some inquiry. As to going to la against the Lord Advocate, that would be a mockery, an absurdity. The law would be amended if the house did its duty. Lord A. HAMILTON ridiculed the idea of Mr. Turner going to law against the Lord Advocate—lie who would do so would be considered • madman ; at least if a lawyer were asked his advice ou the point, he would think the man such; and yet this was the way in which all the com plaints were answered ; such answer was ridiculous. Petition ordered to be printed. STATE op EtaurE.—Mr. C. HUTCHINSON gave uotice, that on Friday, before the house went into a com mittee of supply, lie should call the attention of the house to certain proceedings in Europe, considering that they involved the safely and liberty of this country. Mr. G. BENNETT presentt:d a petition from a boy, John Wither, confined in Belichter gaol, complaining of various hardships (allaying to wait on the prisoners, to associate with highwaymen, Abe. Mr. Alderman WOO!) said, lie had reason to belie. I/ It that the sentiments were correct—for according to wlmt hail recently transpired, it was found that the poison was limier defective management, the gaoler keeping Nooks 1111k1101V11 to the magistrates, to punish boys, women, •C. lie should like to know who coosti tined the comitaitsion promised to inquire into the state of llchester gaol. After remarks from Sir R. Wilson, the petitiou was ordered to lie on the table. THE ARMY.—Surri.Y.—Colonel DAVIES moved an address to his Majesty, prayin4 him, on tilling up new commissions in the army, to give the preference to half= pay officers, so long us any remained, whereby (bee would be considerable saving to the country. After some discussion, the house divided on this propo sition. The numbers were—For it la—Against it Negatived by a majority of 31. (In the motion that the house resolve into a committee, Itlr. HUNIE moved Ai All amendment, that certain por tions of the estimates as to allowances for salaries, emu neraiions, arc. should be ret - .•rred to a select tee . The house divided on the amendment—Per it 22 Against it 63—Majority against the amendment 41. The house then went into the committee, in which were moved 31,5201. for superannuate t and retired pensions for England; 8,661. ditto for Ireland 35,1Md1. for Es.- chequer fees, be. Mr. 11UME asked, whether there was no inteniiou of abolishing these fees? Sir C. LONG said, they were granted by act of parlia ment. ItesoWarms severally agreed to.—Report usi Friday. POLICE o 111 E METHOII.OI.III.-011 tile of der rt . th, day ft.r the second trading the Nlagitiatcs' . . Mr. BENNETT declared his objections to this bill in tolo. Instead of proving beneficial, lie was cons iuced it would prove mischievous. lie contended that nothing could render our police efficient lint letidelidg it inde pendent and respectable, by paying the officers liheialiy, and increasing its fence, and by establishing a magistracy consisting of intelligent mid independent individuals. tie also thought it most illipui taut that a take place in our pi isuis discipline. The present hill might be iendered useful, but to make it su it hunt undergo very mates lid alit triton. Mr. said, that the met , %midis was to be divide 1010 sixteen districts, each of k% Weis was to have :ive tional pat role. The bill also provided, that in future no watchman should be appointed above the age of Ilk Mr. DEN MAN objected to s,) it. of the clauses which gave the magistrates ore pow er of c 1111 l 'Hitting on siispie a as reputed vagtaitt , . lit. se 'shed the bit/ to tic divided into two, one 1 egai,iing the better p.tyineiit of the and the oilier 1ici11;14414 the ponce of liar inagisti ales.— Uuless this proposition was acceded to, lie must oppose the second reading of the bill. Mr. BATHURS'I' thought the bill should go to A com mittee, when all these points could be comintes ed. Mr. Aid. %•'OOl4 said, the pay of the police officers of the metropolis was ualy ag. a, u6ilNt those iu the city received .'Ss. which, with some pea irtisites, mode their income at least two guineas a week. lie contended that it was necessary the mlicets should powiess the posts r of apprehending stimuli thieves. Alter some hut dim obscs rations. the bill way read secuml Unit, at..f emulated fur lii t )tut tioiool. Tito °the' ui dt.:6 nett tlitpusett of, tutti the (muse n:1- joutoed to Fs IItIDAN. MAY 4. Tl 4. P. Iit)QRL elea tiled > pciiii.ots frti4 a pro .ost uneetvi Y I umpiditioug of the loi•Sell I 411 of >mut. aaaa 111e11111er, lit.d ihe ~Ia uuld 11.11ot la<au 15:1164 , 14te11r hut Sul Ills ewes ft lelire of Gui.ca 55114.151. 1k Plial• Ceti, nil ti, that as tar podium referred to sonar I ,tter li t ; bud tishau Oa, r lo tistsata ; awl that as toe er.a.irs sss re out 0(00.111.1i.• lir the mill r• of Ina ;Haase to br diii 'used e:sassberr , 1114 'Peleliu:l I'o4 td suit Ire irrtir , d. Mr. S COOPER la, to ..splain „h .I If , h.ai said nor (For tOrtti IMAM* :pit' 14k.) THE NATIONAL REGISTER . Ou that respecting allowances to geurtsl officers nut haviug regiments, Sir R. FERGUSON complained of the hardsuips of many General Officers, reduced :o mete half p,). He knew en instance where no individual had served the king faithfully and diligently for 40 year., and yet tie had tint appeared to have been of as much consequence as a clerk about to be removed from office. He hoped that taking some care of such ■n officer would not be deemed improperly breaking through rules The Marquis of LONDONDERRY said, the case could not escape the attention of GiVerionent. 4444 agreed to—as were the remaining resolutions. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCH EQUER Olen mov-d, that the resolution respecting half-pay other's be taken into cobsideration. Cul. DA VIS said, this was a subject which merited the attention of the house. There were near 9,000 officers receiving half-pay—such pay ;amounting to 763,7811.; but they had little chunce of gettiug into full pay. Such had been the ~sstrm of favour, (lint x 'lure one half-pa) officer got into commission, ten persons were appointed Who had not before been in the army. This he considered a great hardship to the officers, us well us something like breach of faith. Lord PALMERSTON said, the wishes of those in civil life must be attended to—for it was essential to identify the interest and feelings of the allay with those of the people. Mr. HUME observed, that, had he been in the house earlier, he s hould have made some statement of facts as to the resolutions that had passed—but the opportunity would recur when he brought forward the general propositions which had been adverted to by his hon. friend( Mr. Bennett.) lle concluded with moving a resolution, us an amendment, declaratory of the number of commissions disposed of during recent years, distinguishing those by purchase, &.c.—there having been IWO commissions, upwards of ..511.) of them without purchase, and given to those who had not before in the army, while there were so many half-pay officers unprovided fur. To have provided for them would have effected to the country a saving of 365,1)0:4. Mr. HUSKISSON hoped the amendment would not be pressed. if it were agreed to, what would be the practical effect T It would be that One person ought to have been brought from civil !ifc into the army (rein 1816 to 1b41. It would be to assert that the arm) should be closed against those w ho might seek the profession alarms, till all the half pay officers are disposed ot. Mr. HUME replied. This resolution would not interfere with the regulations of the army. It was his wish to close the army against persons desiring commissions till the half_ pay officers were disposed of. Amendment negatived; resolution awed to. Adjourned. WEDZIESU•%, MAY 2. Mr. BYNG presented petitions from the parishes of St. James and St. Martin's, st Inch, after advt., tin t ( to the police regulation bill now before the house, complained of the nuisance occasioned by persons hawking goods about the streets. hlr. S. BOURNE presented a petition ram Lient..Gen. Thornton. It called the attention of the house to the act of Geo. 11. passed fur regulating the puldie.houses and houses of entertaiincat, by which it was provided, that any house in which persons should assemble to practice the amusement of music or dancing, should be deemed a disorderly house, and the persona so amusing themselves be liable to be taken before a magistrate and committed as vagrants. 'The peti tioner also stated, that it appeared (ruin what had been published in the public prints, a number of respectable in dividuals who had assembled at a house in St. Martin's-lane, to enjoy the amusement of dancing, ignorant of llieexistence of such a lau, were taken into custody, and SO kept during the night, and subsequently carried beiore a magistrate. A similar circumstance also occurred in another part of the metropolis. The petitioner urged the vexatious nature of the law which sue jetted innocent persons to such severe pnuishment, and imposed an imperative duty oil magistrates to imprison persons who were ignorant and innocent offend. era. Ile further said, that lie was a magistrate and liable to be called on to discharge this duty, vt Inch lir could nut (1,, without sensations most painful to iiiinseif, He therefore humbly submitted to the house that the law should be altered and that the constables should in the hist instance only want the persons thus assembled to disperse. lie hoped the house would take it into their serious consideration, and in troduce some regulation ienpeCtille. It into the police ameed. picot bill.—Petition read, aunt ordered Ili he printed. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER sauved that the house at its rising should adjourn to Friday. Agreed tn. Mr. P. GR ENFI,LL, having again adverted to the enor mous profits made by the bask on the balances of public monies in their hands, 'wised for all account, showing siti one side the Stunlpaid by the politic to the hank, as interest at the rate of 9 per cent, loom money advanced by the bank to make good demands on, mid defirieores of the consolidated food ; and sin the toner side, t(te amount of the Molest at the 3 per ceut. on the bulauce. The I . seemlier observed, that the balance in April last was 3,731,0001. Agreed to, after some remarks front the Chancellor of the Exchequer, Mr. Baring, and Mr. Ricardo. Gkasuow Riters...Lord A. I-I 1 MILTON presented tr petition from an individual named 'Turner, alio had resided in Lanarkshire fur heruty year., eiiiiipliiining of the arbi trary coedit t of the Lotti Advocate and the el - insisters.— The petitioner about o year ago was taken into custody on it charge of treasonable and seditious practices. lie (the pet I loner) aas committed to pi 'soil, kept in close euilliiie- Went, but lie had never beta hiought to tend. Ile there fore called on the house to allied him relies for Ille loss of charactt r which lie had sustained. While eumnied lie hail been subjected to considerable severities—pen and ink, &e. has ink only het% allowed at the c 00000 mencement of the cops.• linestient. The noble bad, though lie had to present this pe tition, deemed it just to hear his testimony of the gerwial good conduct of the magistrates of (ilas,,iive, during a city trim leal period. The petitioner tot ilier acid, that his house aas seal cited for papers and arms. Some volunteers' units having beeu found—amd that a charge of high ii seism) is as mentioned—acrd yet, after nine or tin day, :uidary cunfisie mem he aas admitted to hail, although lie isudei.tond the charge to lie high treason. His lordship observed, that the conduct COW nut be justified. He could not eat! no the Lord Advocate to give up (ht.'s* spit. who might give iiifor. 'nation, but he might call on the Mauled lusd for an adults• sion of the petitiouer's innocence. 't he LORI) A D V OCA TI. observed, that as to the apps i.• licik.iott of the petitioner, it must be allwitivd that Hopi-v.4m silent at one period was justiliable, with ch iniabt br must Wet re at another tone ; but he denied most distioctiy that in sill the it ausactiou, sa Seollano there had been employed any spy ur uatrnr. 'The flinege Undoubtedly V. , 4> high *sedum ; but n, it wan limitdean.-, ash iscable 10 . 10410 g him to trial, tt.e sidaattni4 of tom to bail art urged as a wail( a of Luta. 139 . 14- v rii.~a~