The National Register. — London, England, 1821-02-04 00:00:00

(used at the moment before the proposition was made, the language of ministers would be " Why, you have been provided for by the crown—you cannot refuse it now. The provision liar been made for you, and you cannot re fuse it. It is therefore an acknowledgment of your guilt." —(Cheers.) The lion. gent, then contended against the arguments of Lord Castlereagh, and ridiculed the suspi cion of disaffection thrown out by hint, and the insinuation that the Queen was giving encouragement to such a spi rit.—(The right hon. gent. was cheered repeatedly.) Mr. B. BATHURST entered at some length upon the subject of the Bill of Pains and Penalties. After Mr. Brougham had addressed the House at con siderable length, the amendment that the House do ad journ was put by the Speaker, and negatived. Commence OF Surexe.—The House having gone into a committee of slimily, Mr. Brogden in the chair, Lord CASTLEREAGH rose. The length, he observed, at which the attention of the House had already been called on this subject, and the many topics that had been already introduced into the debate, rendered it unnecessary for him to trespass much upon their time : be would, therefore, without further observation, more that the sum of so,osocti. a year be granted to her Ma jesty ; and whether this proposal met with her Majesty's views or not, he fully concurred with the hon. member for Bristol (Mr. Bright), that this, as • settled sum, should be lodged in the Exchequer, to be ready whenever her Ma jesty pleased to call tor It. His Lord.hip concluded by moving a resolution that there be granted to her Majesty a sow not exceeding 50,0001. a sear for her life. Ou the question being put, - Mr. S. WORTLEY said, he was not now disposed to snore au amendment, however widely be might indivi dually differ as to the amount proposed, as another oppor tunity would occur of introducing the subject; but he did not think that he should have performed his duty if he had not held out some of the language used in the answers of her Majesty, he had almost said to the indig nation of the House. Lord J. RUSSELL expressed his surprise at what had jest fallen from the hon. member. It was to him matter of astonishment that any man should reproach her Ma jesty on the ground now taken up, recollecting the severity of the trials she had to endure. There was, however, some precedent for the conduct pursued by the hon. nsember for Yorkshire, and also for the language used by a worthy alderman (Heygate) on a recent occasion. That precedent he found in the time of Henry VIII. In that reign the sycophants of the court were anxious to add whatever weight belonged to them to the charges already brought against Queen Catherine, and, among oihers, she was accused by Cardinal Wolsey of having conciliated the affections of the people : one accusation to that effect was actually drawn up against her by Wolsey; it wan, that " Whereas she ought rather to pray to God to bring this matter to a good courinsiou, she seemed not at all serious; and that she 'night corrupt the people's affections to the King, site showed herself much abroad, and by civilities and gracious bowing her head, which had not been her custom formerly, did study to work upon the people."— Now, could any man doubt that whatever might have been Catherine's inclinations, she had other and strong support besides popular favour: the Pope was ou her side, as well as the Emperor Charles; but who was there to whom her Majesty could appeal ? Her father had fallen iu defence of his country : her illustrious brother had yielded his life in the same honourable career. To whom, could she look for support and assistance? He maintained that it was a total want of all genernits feeling to attribute it to her Majesty as a crime, she having I wished fur the support of the people. After a few words front ♦lderman C. Smith, which were wholly inaudible in the gallery, Mr. HUME admitted that the language in some sen tences of her Majesty's answers was strong, but it was possible to put an improper construction even on the Holy Scriptures, by reading them partially. If lie saw ■ny thing unconstitutional in the tenutir of those answers, be should be as ready as any man to condemn it, but lie thought it highly unfair to judge of her Majesty, and to condemn her fur one or two expressions. More constitu tional doctrine,more sound morality, inure truly Christian principle, than those answers contained, he (Mr. Hume) had never beard expressed ; and lie thought that no man, whose feelings were in unison with the trne spirit of the Christian religion, could defend that persecution to which her Majesty was subjected. Lord STANLEY rose merely to ask a question of the noble Lord opposite (Castlereagh.) In the event of the demise of the crown, the Queen, the noble Lord appre hended, would have been entitled to a palace, or would have had collie mansion assigned to her; such, at least, had been the case with the late Queen. lit the proposition of the noble Lord opposite, however, there had beau no grant ()fa palace or mansion, nor mention of procuring •ne. Lord CASTLEREAGH said, by the treaty of marriage between her Majesty and the present King, then since of %Vales, her Majesty became entitled, upon the denu.e of the crown, to 50,0001. a year, but not to any palace. 'the palace possessed by the late Queen was nut given to her by her marriage treaty, but by letters patent from the Crews,. Mr. it SUMNER was surprised that no one had yet moved for an account of the sums advanced In the Queen since she had been is, this country; and indeed her Ma jesty ought properly to have given the House some infor mation as to the manlier in which those ►ums had been disposed of. He heard, not only from public rumour, but from authority to which some respect was due, that the Queen had not paid a single private bill since she had been in England. There was note tradesman paid. The House ought to know how the money had been disposed of. If it had not been paid to those who were entitled to it, perhaps it bad been paid to prompt all the processions which had disquieted the country ; or to the ;tress, which instilled its daily poison into the ears of the whole com mnuily. Giving to the Queen all the benefit of an acquit• tal, he thought 20,0001. a year an ample income fur a woman who had been IV years separated from her hus band : but he would go further. The litm. member then moved, as an amendment to the original motion, that ass income of 30,0001. per year should be wanted to her Majesty Dr. LUSHINGTON thought it a matter of regret, that the bill of pouts and penalties had not passed trent the House of Louis to an assembly whet e it might have been discussed with all that temper, moderation, humanity, and justice, which had so conspicuously adorned the speech of the lion. Nlesuber for Siiiiey hsegh); the lion. Member was the hest man is, that House who had THE NATIONAL REGISTER presumed to utter, who had dared to declare (hear, and order), who had dared to declare that the Queen had been approved and found guilty of adaltery.—(Hear.)-- The Hou, Member for Surrey had 1101 followed the wise example of the Noble Lord opposite [Lord Castlereagh], who had pendently abstained front comment on the sub ject i but, not having been called upon to judge the cause —having heard, in all probality, the evidence but iinper feetly—hating, perhaps merely read the evidence without seeing the witnesses—the Hun. Member came forward, uncalled, unasked, to decline her Majesty in his firm conviction guilty. Really when lie looked at the whole Truitt of proceeding, and thought of the opinion which the Hon. Member [Mr. H. Sumner had pronounced], he did think that the Queen might have met a fairer trial from a jury of convicted felons [hear,] with a judge not appointed for political tergiversation. than could lie anti cipated from persons who condemned her even unheard, The hon. and learned member then adverted to what bad been said by Mr. H. Sumner as to the expenses of the Qua, since her Majesty bad bees in this country she had received at the rate of 3.1,000 L a year, sad Not a shilling m0re,.... Large advances had been spoken oft bet the boo, and learued member would tell the House, that be, at the time of her Majesty's first arrival iu &Ward, bud had occasion to apply fur an advance to her of 5,0(01.; and that that that advance of 5,0001. had been reftwed• It had been re fused, though wanted for matters of absolute necessity; sou her Majesty had, for a time, been obliged to receive credit. Because, forsooth, some one had told him that her at a j e gy had not paid a certain bill, all the reel of the money which she had received, had been disbursed in paying the p r ep s , ~, bribery, and in disseminatiug seditious and treasonable pub lications. (Cheers.) When boo. seats. viewed her situation in this light, he trusted that not one of them would be found who could view with any other feeling than that of sincere commiseration for her sufferings. Mr. Alderinau WOOL) trusted that there was not a single member in the House who would give ciedit to the charges which the lio 1111 l treble Member for Surrey had su boldly arged against her Majesty, and all of which he (Mr. Wood) asserted to be destitute of foundation. (Cheers.) He called upon that honourable member to come forward, and to men tion any one bill of her Majesty's that remained unpaid.— ( Loud cr es of " bear.") The honourable member had stated that none of her Majesty's bills were paid, and that the money which she had received to pay them had been ex pended in promoting the most wicked purposes. The hon. member. be expected, would not be prepared to prove the charges which he had exhibited against her Majesty; but if he could state one single bill that was unpaid, it was now his duty to do so. (Hear, bear, from all sides of the Meuse.) The hon. Member bad stated, that be was very anxious to be a peace-maker, bat he (41d. Wood) left it to the House to decide how far his present conduct was calculated to make him so. (Cheers). He should not have intruded on the uttentims of the House, had he not thought it necessary to inform the House that there was nut the smallest particle of truth in the charges just preferred against her Majesty. Mr. H. SUMNER informed the House that the charges which he had urged against her Majesty rested upon mere hearsay. (Loud cries of hear, accompanied with syrup -100111 of surprise from the opposition benches.) He had heard them pretty generally runmered. (Cheers coo -1 Homed.) As the worthy Alderman was 1101 an accredited agent of her Majesty, he would continue to maiotaiu the I charges which he bad made against every one of (Aid. Wood's) unsupported aseertiems. (Hear, bear, from the ministerial benches.) Mr. BHOUGHANI said that the language used by the lion. member for Surrey was the occasion of his addressing the (louse agitate that evening. The 1 . member had ob jected to the worthy Alderman's explamitiou, because be was not an accredited agent of her Majesty. This was the usual trick with gentlemen on the other side of the House. — Nothing, in his opinion, could be mere correct titan the manner in which the worthy Alderman bad just come fire weed. Mr. H. SUMNER repeated his belief in his former charges. Mr. Ald. WOOD did not wish that the hon. member for Surrey would give him credit, but he trusted that the House would give him credit, when he informed them that the ac counts were shown to him every month by the steward, in order that he might see that no articles weee charged extra vagantly to her Majesty. Every article. down to the very cools in the house, was paid for monthly; the furniture which her Majesty bought at the Duke of Kent's sale aas paid for; and if the hon. member would bring demo to the Home any bill which was unpaid by her Majesty, he would undertake to see it paid to-morrow. (Hear,). Lord N SUES T thought that an apology was dime, if not to the worthy Alderman, at least to the House, whose form he had so grossly transgressed. (Cheers.) Mi. 11. SUMNER stated, that if the worthy Alderman had tnade a declaration regarding what had fallen within his own knowledge, be slionld have given implicit credence to him. But it appeared that the steward had merely shown the hooks to him and the books only contained an account of what was paid. The worthy Alderman, therefore, could nut know how much remained unpuid After a few observations from Mr. W. Smith, Mr. Hume, and Sir G. Hill, Mr. WWI - WEN, put Mr. Sumuer's amendment to the vote, which 111,6 negatived a itliont a division. The in igi. nal 1110111111 was agreed to aim imnousty. The House then resumed, and the report was ordered to be presented to-iuutiow. Adjourned at a quarter before two o'clock. THURSDAY, FEB. 1. Petitions were presented for the restoration of the Queen's name to the Liturgy from Edinburgh—Daßeda', in Ayrshire—Borough of Northampton—Sliepton Mallet —Amicable Lodge of Monmouth—Freeholders, Gentry, 6ce. of Yereaher, Yorkshire—Burgh of Whitettoru— Selkirk—Gainshorough in l'oslibite, and St. tieorge's Hanover Sy:tare. Lord J. RUSSELL brought in the Grampound Disfran chisement Bill, and to enable Leeds to Algid two Mem• bets in lieu thereof. Read a first time, and ordered to be read a seetiod time uu Monday neat. Mr. CALVERT moved fur various Returns oespeetine the Pees, Stizitres Ike. of the Court of Reque,tr, South. wank. He had formerly moved for some account , coil lieeied with tills Subject, and they had been rethitied to the House: that they were so extreusely item reel, that be should consider the defects the 'emit of did he not knew the respuutalislity of the parties.—.Mutiuss aicreed to, He aka mused for a velum of the proJnee of the Hill. Molt Mr. I iON 1. s' )1) presented a Petition fro n t Rion " ley, ken!, that !lig for leave to Itlinh 111 a hill to este.ose I:et:mitt land., tilt ie. Referred to a Culthwl:ce. _? .. '. -;211r. ••• -.1 35 Mr. WROTTESLY gave notice, that on the lath of February be should move for leave to brims in a bid to amend the Bankrupt Laws. Mr. P. GRENFELL moved for accounts of the Im ports and Exports of Copper.—Ordered. THII PUBLIC Dears.—Mr. J. P. GRANT moved for accounts of the National Debt of England and Ireland ; of the Austrian Loan ; of the enfiladed Debt, e.c. A Member (under the opposition gallery) spoke of the defective, and lie almost might say fraudulent use of the faad set apart to relieve our successora from the effects of some of our own miserable policy. He also thought that England ought to call in her debts. especially from Austria y and lie thought the demand of sects debt might check the despotic Mooarch on the liberal efforts of Naples.—[Hear, bear.] At all events, he ought to be required to pay his just debts before lie contemplated the making of unjust wars.—[(:beers.] Mr. J. SMITH moved for the account of debts due front Austria; of the expenses that had resulted to Great Britain in consequence of the non-payment by Aus tria, dec. CUMD AAAAA D PETTFIOII.—Mr. BEAUMONT ,we. aented a Petition, most annieronsly signed, from the County of Cumberland. He complained of the coasti toted authorities baring declined to convene a meeting, though most respectfully and regularly required. The Petition condemned the proceedings against the Queen, and prayed for inquiry and restitution of her rights. He entirely concurred in the sentiments and prayer of s h e Petition ; but be would not detain the House by dwelling on those opinions, observing how little attention was paid by the House to these Petitions, He hoped, however. that the House would yet see the propriety f adopting measures more in unison with the feelings of the country than any of those adopted lately. Sir M. W. RIDLEY bore testimony to the respectability of the petitioners, and maintained that the QUeOll. bee, tried end acquitted, ought to have the benefit of the acquittal. lier Majesty ought to he restored to the fall exercise of the right of Queen Consort. (Cheers.) He main. tained that there was no prospect of justice being rendered to the Queen and people, but by the removal of his Majesty's ministers—an opinion in which the honourable member for Yorkshire (Mr. S. Wortley) might not agree. (Cheers mid a laugh.) Mr. BENNETT said he had viewed • ith indignation the conduct of the individual who had presumed to (lecture call ing the meeting-Not individual of as little consequence and as little known as if he had lived in some alley in London. The requisitionists represented property to the amount of 200,0001. a year; and yet so obscure a plenum had presumed to express and act upon Isis single opinion agaiust so many individuals, and so much property. Rut nut content with melt resistance, the " Hole and Corner" gentry got up • mock and sham loyal address unworthy of respect. Petition read. and ordered to be printed. How: Am.' Ait ce.—Sir R. WILSON moved fur a copy of the circular of the British Government to the Ministers of the Sovereigns constituting the Holy Alliance, touching their notes on Neapolitan attain, &c. Lord CASTLEREAGH acquiesced in the motion, which was then granted. New R• NIL NOTIL—Sir. P. GREN FELL adverted to the promise which was made lung ago of as issue of sew Bank notes—notes of superior workmanship, and such as would increase the difficulties of forgeries; and be asked when it might be expected that the new issues would take place? The subject was of great interest to the country and the cause of humanity, especially when it was recollected bow many executions were constantly taking place fur for. geries.—( Ilene, hear.) The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER replied, that at present he could nut give any decisive answer.— Some further improvements had been made iu the machinery, ohich had caused the delay ; but he hoped that at as very distant period the notes would be ready. BRZACII OF PRIVILLGIL—Sir J Newport brought for. ward a case of breach of privilege, which appeared in the Gazette of January 2, in the shape of an address from the Presbytery of Langholin, ansoug various other " Loyal" addresses, which the Gazette announced bad been most gra. ciously received by his Majesty. This address. in violation of their privileges, stated that the factious, violent, and un constitutional speeches of the opposition members in both llotnes of Par liament,promoted and encouraged 4 isafee t ion ; and it afterwards condemned the insolent conduct of opposi tion members in the Commons on the last prorogntion. lie concluded by moving tir "it such language webs breach of the privileges of the House. Lord CASTLEREAGH explained the practice at Lord Sidinouth's with regard to those addresses, and stated that the address in question bad not been intentionally inserted in the Gazette. it was Will to the Oki: among litany other,. and thus escaped particular attention. The Ministers do• approved of it, and disavowed it; and as it doubtless was the only object of the motion to procure such disavowal. lie hoped the motion wunid not he pi essed. Mr. SCARLET( said, that the opinion of the House ought to appear on their Jourinils and for that ;impose hit suggested that a resolution • Imola Journals, adopted declaratory of such opinion. Lord CASTLEREAGH proposed that the debate should he adjourned. that in the mean tone a minion might he VI ( ruined as to meet t be views that appeared to be entertained by the House. The debate oat necordingly adjourned till tn-morrow•. STATE Or rug REVENUE —Mr. M A HER LY moved for tt aeries of accounts, illustrative of the state of the revenue, and of the finances of the country, niter some remark. nu the moms's% difficulties of the monied commas of the Go- vermrm•nt of this country. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said, he had no objection to the production Dint-counts. He considered that the revenue of the country had much improved, and rot ll i 111 l :till further impiiivement. It sins gratifying tor him to be able to slate, th.st the revenue of the c.•uatry would meet the ile111:1111U of it, without any further aids or loans—M(l4rd he Ihnught lie might outs for some years hid adieu to loans or Iwo tuxes.— (*same cheers on the no' leflat side. Act aunts ordered. Tun Ut the report of the committee of supply being In might op, Mr. H . St:NINE:it rose to mew the proposition Of whirl. lie had gir, rt notice the ill ccetlitt4 night—that liar surds " Fatty Tlimisaud Pounds . ' he left not, and " Thirty Thousand Petunia" aultatit med. 'file bolt. and lesion gentleman (Mr. Brougham) 11411 aceo.ed I ist utterly dt•tegarding all list• principles of British jorisprotleisru, and had stated that he (Mt. I.) had no right to pi ....... tais.e Any opiuioa upott.the reault at tsar Majesty's. total, uolvis ( Per unuiatosiirrr see ipso. 38.) a -•-• .. _ t- . -- - ..• , ee