The National Register. — London, England, 1820-06-11 00:00:00

Lord CASTLEREAGH rose amidst cries of bear! He said be had often had ofcashoi to admire the temper of the Hon. Member, but never mid he ob,erved so isijudit loos an exhibition as that n herii they had just beheld, on a question too of the deepest moment, filet tiog perhnps the tinsiquillity of the country. Dn tenderness to tile Hog.. Member, how ever, uud to afford him )111 oppottunity of b..ing better pre pared 11/ discuss SI) important u subject, lie b humid di cline giving any ans.ier at toe reseal moment. [Mr. Brough.m, who had not been in tile, house berme, here entered. Mr. Denman was iu hit teat.) His Lordship observed, that a subject of sorb gfeLli unpin lance ought to be treated dd . - trent!, I indeed on most unimportant matters, even on giving notice respecting n'tui °pike Hill, a uimiler course would nut be pursued. Mr. CREEVY observed, that he had come down to the House with the intention ut moviug fur the correoposidestre that had hikeis place. As ,et it app rated that the Quecti'v nuly crime hos stud of aetting loot is Roseland. Let them recollect again.t wh o a the loot:ceding , . were hem; adusited The tone of the King. and the norther of tue Prioress Char lotte; and if thee P. illee,ll Charlotte were ii•oo olive, would they believes's, y should have heard ul tio.quettat.o T (Hear.) Sir R. WILSON spoke of sue conduct of the Alsidotess as oittssgrou4y ssealectful of Ilse Queen. They made ists provision, no arrangements fur her Alayesty ; and she was indebted to 1411 limiest muss foe a house in she metropolis. (Cheers.) —Was this as it ought to be ? Lord A. HAMILTON uhverved, that the Queen had been coittleasord toy the Monsters; they had psejudired her in the 'Mods of the country. The Ostler its Coasted for minis% the Qiieen's name in the Luurgy was tus. Improper, and in Scotism., it was mere waste paper. He trusted first the Queen would have the 114111 C allowance that was extended to the guiltiest or the pool est prison. Mr. DENMAN (the Quern's Solicitor Dent ral) 'mid lie would not trust hi feelings to go into any extended re marks, otherwise they might assume somewhat of the ardent character of those of the lion. Friend near hini (Mr. Beimett)-1111 ardency of let ling, however ' that he deemed inure enviable 111411 the calmness, the boldness, and the coolness .►uh which a quest' so lull of alarming consequences had been opened to the House by a Alms. ter ut the Crown. Where the accusation was to be fouuded oh papers, out un the evidence of witnesses adduced; ■nd where it was withdrawn from the ordinary tribunals of the coulitry—(cheers)—lie hosted he might ask, on the part of her Majesty, what measures were mu be pursued m promotion of this awful subject ?—(firai , ►ear.) He was unauthorised by the Queen to put any such question , as a Member of that House, he deemed mt right to snake such inqeiry.—(Cheers.)—No answcr.— After which there were loud Cries of Hear! hear! 1111111 the Opposition Benches. Mr. BROUGHAM (the Qneen'a Attorney General), after some time had elapsed, and as the question was being put from the Chair, ruse. lie said, as the Quecti bad unhappily taken that resolution on whirl' she had acted.-mulnippily, he meant not on accuneit of her Ma. jesty individually, but for the Psi harness' and Urr country —silence on his part was no longer tendered necessary. His lips were now unsealed, and the time was come when all men's minds must be made up. He therefuie deemed it right to give this warning, that she Government would be expected not only to have a strong case, but to he prepaied clearly and satisfactorily to convince the Hume and the Cuisine, that the Ministers had nu longer the o r portunity of puss potting or suppressing this question. Address to She King agreed to, and the Passers ordered to remain IN the custody of the Clerk. Mr. LAMBTON, io consequence of what had just passed, p.►stpuued his motion respecting Refrains, tall Jane S 7. . . . Ou the report of the Committee ot Supply being bi ought up, Mr. GORDON observed. that he was astonished to see 84,0001. =maimed to be appropriated to the building of barracks. . . Mr. I'ALCRAFT said, this was one point to which hr had Intended to advert. Bat racks a ere to be built attest , there were none byline; eves' in the vet) , centre of the town* indeed there was rvecy *byre such au appearance of military, as ought not to be seen in a rummy which called itself tree.--(Hear.) The Report was awed to.—The remaining Orders baying been disposed of, the House adjutnued. WEDNESDAY, JUNE I. Mr. LEE KECK presented the Report of the Borough bridge Election Committee, which derided that Air. Spooner and Mr. Lawson hail been unduly retuturd, and that Mr. Money and Mr. Dawkins ought to have beet, returned. MANCHESTER.—Sir F. BURDL'l'l' postponed from W lNSinfuse I'll thr 21st instant, the 1111.1 lull Irspecting the proceedings at liiiichrsier on the 161 Angost MEsSAGE FitOSI THE QUEEN.—M I. BROUGHAM. the Queen's AI t.d ale) General, appeared %Ito a message front her Majesi,, Whitt; Ise lead, and whicu was to the fol lowing cited : "That "That her Majesty round it necessary to inform the Hoase of r! -.0&11111011/1, that '.he had leturard 10 this tOllllll4 10 consequence or certain anaclianations against her pest, and honour, ca. reed on hy seem ea eillidndlitn abroad, and which had creamily appealed to ale sant , iusied by the conduct of liar Gores ninciat 41 home; as orti ill+ to vin dicate those rights which hid' devolved Isom hei through the death of his late reveittl Alojes:y. ' that it Was this day exactly fourteen years same the tit •a aliarite agdindl her climatic§ had been brought, and limo %bath, alter the fullest .nvestigaiion, it hail; come loath unsullied That as long as his late Majesty lived she hail tested 'se cure under his pateitial proteetiou, froan Ibt sttriospls alt her enemies. Butt that now that he was no dime, these attempts lied been basil) ;mewed ; that eves) thing 11411 !Mel , done us§ the pail alt' the Goves sat to C:111114 a pre• judire against he. 4 and that to tier astonishment *he Imitated Ihal at was 1100 proposed lo institute at secret Inquisition Mao her coronet, we the stiviselli of docu ments devisid and peep:lied lay her altlseiddl 'lli.ll she tom teal imilimA ;owe than a Intl, an ;yam, and IniU• lit ills ediagailun ilia. her tosiilliel , bnt hoped sae would not be 410111i.d All.ll is alioued the is 04111,1 slulididll4l 111 tha t v 0111111 )-411 uppaii tunny of piiiiiii•iy co di manna ill. Witness,, he pit/Mori 11 d_diil4 116'1. tail as the lair Of 11,1 :10t 4111, lii, t.. 111111), 41111 alit World, pl'uli net .1 ds..llldl aut 10,11141,w. 01 .411) sutht !WEI el ~• 111.1 k 1111% i• 1.. 111. 14,s 01 for sill, ddeuulidi, to 411 jlidlii.. gnu). Aim, mho alai lilt integral) ut ah. 11..”, ul C. 11111 l ui••, 10 tnutael het Is the only 14 lilt 11, (lurch liar shape to which it Came, she had ever any ft.ololl is fear." The House was crowded to excess. THE NATIONAL REGISTER. .The reading of the message was heard with profooad silence; the passage in which her Majesty demands an open and public inquiry, was received with cheers from all sides of the House. THU KIMVS AlliSsAGE.—Upon the motion of Lord Cas tlereagh, his itlatest3's message, relative to th e Queen, was taken Mitt consideration. Lord CASTLEREAGH said, that in rising to call the attention of the House to his Majesty's message, he had to assure the House that he keenly felt the extreme deli cacy of this most paiuitul of public gnestions, and that nothing could have induced ministers to brake it forward, until all their efforts to render a discussion minecessitty proved unavailing. It was to be presumed, that the Queen's address was advised by litilMajtsty's Counsel, and that, her Majesty nips chended that the charge would lie unsupported by evidence, and decided upon by a Secret Tribunal. The Committee, if it altmilit be ap pointed, could not be charged with the eon-•ideration of the question, any more than a Grand Jury was charig.d with the decision of the cases submitted to it•-•-(Hear! and a laugh.) 11 . the interests of the cive" Neer to be considered in the C tee, he should ce recom mend the presence of her Majesty's Anion " y mail Solidi tor General; hot as the Committee could • ler 110111ille to du with that question, it was advisealrle to exclude them; for if there appeared grounds of charge, those gentlemen would feel themselves in an &Wire - aril condition, by being obliged to act as agents of her Majesty sad members of the Cot iiiii ittee In which they were hotrod to act con scientionsly. Ile regretted muck that criminal advice, whirl' led her Majesty to au appeal to the lower orders of the people, but he acquitted her Majesty's legal advisers of that serious charge. At the same time he could not bat applaud the conduct of her Majesty, if conscious of 11111Ueenee she came over to this country to prove that innocenee.—(Heat ! hear.) If she had listened to weak suit maschieions advisers—if she had been approached by persons who were incompetent to advise, had pre sumed upon such opportunity, he Gusted her Majesty would be awakened to a sense of what was due to her station.—(Cheers.) He concluded with moving, that the papers be referred to a Secret Committee. Mr. BROUGHAM then rose. The Noble Lord himself had not 'lieu with more pain than he did, but he could only feel satisfaction that the hour had arrived when this question could be folly and fairly met. He was aware of tile importance of the iteration. He was anxious that the honour, the dignity and the popularity of the Crown should be sustained. The illustrious Lady whose cause he advocated, appealed not to the mobs to which the Noble Lord bad been pleased to allude. Her Majesty did this with confidence; and fur sagacity mid propriety of mind, he haul seldom met any lady that surpassed her. And yet, how unhappily she had been situated She had Irm' mime/rid (ruin the salutary domestic contrusil and condors, which were the hest preservatives of female proprieties; but had she enjoyed them, endtied so largely as was her mind by nature, it would have been must for tunate for the country. It well now left to him to pray and implore the justice of the House in setting out oat the inquiry, which was now unhappily forced upon them. Above all, he implored the House to believe her Majesty innocent, till the contrary should be proved—(Hear I ) Before any charge could be wit - tried, there was much to be done. He trusted there would be some discussion in that House, IMO before the Noble Lord hail got his little inquiry tip stairs. The recent circumstances soil publications lie had previously alluded. All that lend passed had not his sanction; but still some allowances ought to be anaile for a female unprotected and almost friendless, on c g to this country, otter an absence of six years. It was nut surprising that her Majesty should have listened to trivially and well invent advice. It cer. tautly was not the result of absolute wisdom (a laugh); it was hot what he would have advised. It might appear like making au appeakto the people ; but ler the pecu liar circ iiiii stance* of the case, allowances ought to be made for her Majesty. As to the comp..rison between the Committee and a Gland Jury, there was no analogy. A Grand Jury was sworn ; it was impartial and it was im partially selected. The party impannelled had no pecu. liar interest ill the qriestroir at issue. A Grand Jury cer hinny decided nu the ex-party evidence, but what sort of evidence was uttered here t•—(Cries of hear.) Letters and papers, with or without names, lie knew not which, for warded from beyond the Alps, the result of a commksion split by God knew whom. He was in utter ignorance of the contest's of the Green Bag i but this hr knew, that ail the evidence was within the bag, except some persons might Ire called to prove signatures. They were the truth of a ten months residence at Milan. A man of high rank awl learning, %VIM had stood varticularly high in the professiuti to which be belonged, and who had been esteemed by all who knew bun, tip to th it ill fated hour its which he was engaged in this business, had procured thus evidence. This expectant Master of Chancery hail obtained the coments of the bag. ',that individual, who had so far forgo , ten himself, who had so far lowered him. self, as to engage an such a transaction, had gone about prying it.to all corners, and mixing in the lowest causer sate tttt s, to pick sup the idle and malicious gossip. He had noised with uargeinert on the lakes, and ferrymen on the livers; with Ike company of ale cellars and wine ser vants; and had taken down the evidence of cast off ser- Vitiate. He had gone to the impure source of every pollution ; and by such means had the green hag been titled. He (Mr. B.) would nut say that such base work ought not to be performed; at might be requisite to resat t to info tor means to procure evidence; but such base %sou k ought to have (seen performed by hands as naturally base and iirearnaa(Hcar, hear!). All that the Committee could do, was, it was said, as nothing; but this he denied. rue Repent of a ClO tttttt Mae of that Howie was no light molter I and be would have Gentlemen to reflect how they toad likr to have their conduct similarly examined, and trade tor i•lii)Ject of the report of a COI 11111 l tire. How would they liar to he exaritiiird in privacy and dairknesii, oil tiorii olciityir darkly procured/ What would they nut give of ime.r ail) goody lorfeiipe ftuw such a repot a 1 The Noble Loa said, lw could appeal to the House afterward,; so he must it he had no other resource ; but not all the oily rise. lola ml tie Noble Loud could prove, that if the C tit e oar. said.* r" 14 , Queer' was not traduced auJ blasted. desules oartly happen after such an inifurtu. oat,. sod Celore the Quucii could accomplish the "mei, is ietiorile to wove tier iiilioreller. Anti ripen *here nos Out ewrute ishithicould wash out the blemish of web a pier? No—it was Vow to liken the Cintinlittee tO a thuwl .fury. Here the object wars to get couhrated the result °fa interims enquiry, on which the Ministers bad expressed their opinion. He said, '.let thew set Co that • • sic -r --1 Jo.••.•-- ENCMI 18/ ~~ opiiiion without goiug to the Committee.—(Cheers.) --Let them mit on their own responsibility, whether seeking to Shelter theimelves behind names more respectable than their el , .)—Why did they not do so, but prising their places so highl), and to which they held so fast, did they not meet the question us men t—(Bear, hear.)—He spoke the language of the Constitution s they should proceed un tneir orsn respensibility. But they ,ought to proceed by it tribunal that was unknown. As to the value of the opitden of either, he would as leave have the Committees as the Ministers, with this exception—the Minister's rename would leave 110 atilall. The proceeding proposed was glow, glatmg, awl unpardonable I and after ilic ex perieuce they Mid in green bags and Secret Committees, they had little reason to be fond of them. He and his learned !Fiend were not to be placed on the Committee. tie thanked the Noble Lord for this—because at would spare him the pain of seeing the forms of justice half pursued, while the subrturice was wholly Mr. CANNING had listened with attention to what the learned gentleinau (Mr. Brougham) lied stated, with res pect to the mischief that might result floss' the inquiry into which they weir forced, and he heartily concurred in the sentiments he had uttered. He did not think it was possible to lino 'melt an investigation to the advan tage of the country or of the parties whom it concerned. The dearest interests of the country, and the Chards:UT of the Innen illustrious personages in it, were involved in the proceeding. On the one side, to the Soseteign whom he served he owed the ditty of a privy couneitior; on the other side, to the illustrious personage who was the re maining party to this diliCilliNloll, he owed, and he gave, unabated esteem, regard, and affective. (Hear.) Ansi next to the extremity which was nearest his heart--that this inquiry could be avoided lie cheri•hert the hope that she would come out of the trial superior, to the accusation. (Hear.) He slow came to an accusation, nut brought for ward by the learned gentleman; it related to the pecuni ary offer made to her Majesty the Queen, and it was also stated in that form of dilemma which was so captivating in argument, but which, in the affairs of the world, was generally so !else. " Luther," it was said, " her Majesty is innocent, and therefore she has a right to the state of Queen—or she is guilty, and then, it appears, 30,0001. of of the public money were to be thrown away under this proposition." This, however, was quite fallacious. The offer Penciled not on the authority of Pailiaineut, but would of course be subject to the control of that House as other grouts were. It seemed, however, that this pro position was coupled with conditions These conditions, it was stated, were—first, that her Majesty should not re side iu England; and, secondly, that she should give up the title of Queen. Boll► these pistols %vie undoubtedly stated, out the latter nut exactly in the way that had been represented. The remaining abroad was, however, clearly laid 'own in pursuance of the policy that origi nally led her blajes y to take the decisive step of quitting the country. 'llie real proposal, however, was, " that she should use sou►e other name than that of Queen."— (Hear, hear, hear, from the opposition benches.)—ln the paper which lie held in his hand it was stated, that she was nut to use any title that belonged to the Royal family. Of that condition lie knew nothlug; but it might have been a matter of inference in the d of the noble per son who stated it (Lord Hutchinson.) But it did not eater into the minds of his Majesty's Government. He next Caine to speak of the change made in the Liturgy. So lung as the late King was upon the throae, and the illus trious person was Princess of N ales,there was no occasion fOr any change. There being no tiecessi!y for money, no other reason could induce the government to come to parliament. But when the situation of the parties was changed, something Mini have been done; it was no longer possible to stand still, and then the change was made in the Linn gy. This bad been represented as a most wanton aggravation, and an act of injustice, fur which there bad been no necessity. Bat on a new reign new al rangements must have been made, and such au arrangement had been made as was in the power of the crown, and was neces sary or suitable, not it' the Queen lived in London, but when alto lived abroad, and in a state of contioued sepa -14111011. (Hear.) Such • proceeding WAS aot without precedent. —Ministers had to the very last moment enter tained hopes of being able to bring the negotiation with her Majesty to a layout able conclusion ; those hopes had unfortunately been frustrated, and the cup of expectation dashed from their lips at the vet y moment when they were ready to enjoy it. Our course only was then left for theta to adopt, and that was the course which they had adopted. Such were the observations which pressed themselves topes' his notice; some of them were forced front hint by his own personal feelings ; others by the duty which he owed to his Sovereign. Having thus discharged his duty, AS well to Ithilltell As to his King, it was his intention to abstain individually from all lui Pier interference in this transaction. Mr. TIEKNEY said, if they could come to nay C4lll - with the Queen, paying, however, a due regard to the establishment of her innocence, he would have no ob jection; but this could not be dune under the prevent administration. (Loud elte-rs.) They had brew daily insulting her for the hut seven years; they had sent her abroad in it frigate ; thy had not Whined her it yacht to convey her home. They got information how she was re ceived at foreign courts, and then took care to make her residence in the neighbourhood ;attune courts uncomfortable. They attempted to compromise with her, and at the same moment struck ber name out of the lifurgy. The best way of giving itotice of any event, was said to be by sticking it on the outside door of the church. (Hear.) The Right Gent. had said that the words of Lord Hutchinson had rot been rightly understood ; that they were." That she should t - ore! incognita." if the present question went to a vote, he should certainly feet it his duty to take the sense of Kr. House opus it , as he e.inceived the:4l4ll , lolWe , of a Secret Committee would he as unjust to P,ttlidieelit, a. it would be insulting to the Queen, and deficient in respect even to the Sovereign hints( If. (Cheers.) 1/•. 11.111:1( FORCE said, if he sawn spirit in the !loose likely to net /41e to !Web 3 tillestloll, he nor Id pru. pun: au adjournment of this gnestinu f,, r it d a y or t wo , i n order to Svc* Is holier. thriogii the instrumentality of cornirou friend,, some ro.mPmmi,e Sr oht not take place between the tiro parties. Milli his own motive; he Asa; satisfi e d : tollt) sus nos to spare both pal t t lie misery which most toes itably be their lot if the existing proceedings were cut.. tied any farther. (Item. hear.) 'The Hon. Meinher ;in cluded by moving that the debate should be adjourned instil Friday next. (Imml cries of" Nloudity ," aid " question.") Mr. I. XION Inc fur the purpose eisitie.; a motion, w bich, if carried, woula curry with it the blestidis of tht. totastiy• (tor efttinuation are pie: *O.) I