The National Register. — London, England, 1818-02-08 00:00:00

• • • VEII. 8 'file petition wilt (nought up auJ read, and ordered to lie oti4l:e table. • t , Mr. RitociiEn bought up the Report of the'CoMmittee of . gupply, Which was ag t eeiLio. The usual Estimates far the year were then read and agreed to. alr. V. Fir/es:esti) moved the third reading of tie: Irish Grand Jory 101 eolitutent Sespensimi Bill, out Sir 11.1'A E NELL SpO'ne a few %void..., oiler which the bill was read a third time ilua d.— A 41journed. WEDNESDAY. SUPPLY. The CHANCELLOR of the Exelts:tsuza moved the order of of the day fur going into the Committee of Supply, to which he moved that various accounts of Exchequer-bills should be referred. On the question for the speaker's leaving the chair, Lord FOLKPTONE made some observations on recent alterations in the mode of proceedings in the House, as to the manner of publishing the votes. The change was in some respects conveni'en ; but he saw soine objections as to the mat printing of petitions, itutess the printing of them was ordered by vote. '1 he printing of those petitions certainly tended to delay the publication of the votes. Yet it was possible that it 'might be injurious to the permit., and therefore he regretted its tendency in that way. The printing of the votes of the house was the only regular way iu whien their proceedings were made public to the country at large. He should do no more' than mention the circumstance, hoping that the House would peel r be imeteutive to petitioners. The Speaker then left the chair; and Sir G. WA R RENDER rose and mentioned that there were some small increases ID • some of the public charges. Of these, in she Admiralty de. partrnent, some arose frout.exteusrint St. HVICOd, and on the ' South American station ;' the estimates had been found ed on motet. consideration. Gentlemen must he aware that .aa increase had °mined in point of wages to seamen, by the employ meet 0* those of a superior description. The number employed was smaller in proportion as to the men. A.lO gun shlp might, duritigwar, have required 6110 men, but re peace' be reduced to 300 men, although the unutber of gnus remained the sante. It was proper to notice this, in looking at the charges of ordnance. He then soured tor 211,090 seamen for 13 lunar months, which was agreed to ; alio for granting the 60010 i 611,0001. for pay; fur 520,0001. tor victuals ' ac. ; and for a sum for wear and tear, VI kerb motions were olio carried. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER rose, and intimated hi s esttuliun to propuse a replacenteut of money under the, giant of 21,000,4.19 u of Exchequer - bills, and also a further grant of nine mitten's. He begged to state, that the amount of Exchequer-hills wss now less thou had beets predicted by . some Gentlemen. It had Oren said, that out the .itis of Jan. IBIS, they world he at 00 millions : but he was happy to say that they were three millions and a 1141'11'3S than that. They amounted ooh so .11911111:i0RS and it 11411, :nil a small s uns more. That was she whole amount. OR due other hand, it was to he considered that the tended dew had increased 19 millhous.— Instead of a deticiesicy ill revenue, there was a diminution of public debt. He moved far rbe sum of 2.1 futilities, eu the RC. e rout of Exeliciier-bills issued. Mr. TIERNEI observed, that there was some difficulty in nude' staeding 11se estimates and their results. The chat et:, oil the tiefueded deut must be pall off. 'Fite total amount stock w HP.' stands C siotterrhadurver exceeded 14 futilities. 'the nertion was then :weed to. Further conversation ensued, in winch ME. TiERNEY re quested to know, what oils the aubnuet of out-itaudimg Ex• chopter i bills ou :ietiontit of delicieney of revenue. T oe (buteeetd.ult of the EyrcHt.Quacti could not then ex. aetly stosoer; out, as we underatuud him, he believed nut Wm.'. 1,009,000. Oa the CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER'S motion, a vote was passed fur' ,630,003 on ontstanditig 'Exeitequei- As, not funded ; also for 6,000,000 tau Exche q uer-Mile tot 1510, out standing and nut provided fur. Tile Cu txteLt.ott of the EXCHeCILER observed, that there was a surplus. of 3000,040 last year, cousidering pan uperatious respecting the reductien of Cat funded dent. The issue of Exchequer-bills had been 12,040,V4d mare last year than in the yei.r proceeding. Mr. Ct.!' wen MIS rejoiced to understand that only 3,043,030 more had beets added to the public debt. The CHANCELLOR Of the Exciteut fie said, that the Hors. Oeutletisau migto still have greater 1(05015 to rejoice, hare. much as there was out au ad nines 0f3,000,0041,bi1t, io the true view of the subject, u saving to 1114 Alll4llllll. anotiolis were prised ha the Cuihnuttet Mr. STURGES BenKNE teased the 11211CW.G 01' the Committee on the Pour Laws. Mr. Cetus acs expressed his objectiusis to the existing: state of the Pow 14,0%s 111 this tile uperaliou of ender all the eircisinstomes, tended to break down the spin it at' the people. by driving them to look to the Po.rs' Rates as u relict and a refuge. Sir F. lltunert did taut mean to oppose the appointment of the C 'lke. He could out exactly accord with what had just beets said. lie did not believe that any great anent.. thin had taken place in the character of the people el' this tenuity, but lie did believe that much alterative had occurred in their eh cumstauces. They were, in his judgment, the same active and iedustrionspeopiei.s they had formerly been; but they had nut the •41110 means of being comfortable as they formerly hail, for the want of the necessary lunar. Ile eutertaitied tau doubt that the real cause of their wants sprung from enormous taxation. As to inquiries into the Pour Laws, SO much spoken of during the last two years, those laws had existed fur centuries, and while the poor were us a better condition. He was not himself an old mats, yet could he remember, even iu Lis eon time, whim a boy playing shout his foiliei's house, that labouring persons took pride limiest coining to the poor-house, and even boasted that none ' of their faintly had ever dune so. Where, them was a remedy' to the existing evils to lie sought? It could be found only in reduction, in retrenchteitut, and in economy in the application of the pu 'lie &Jimmy. Lord CAs4l.l.ttLAGli remarked, that the Honourable Bart.'s obsers miens were more connected with the general policy of the country, than with the particular subject of the Poor Lawn. Alr. BROCA:HAM said, that seeing a Noble Lord not exactly in his place (a laugh), but on Isis way to it, be was anxious to ask fur await saw inatioo respecting tile select Committee to be appoint. ti. Ditl the Noble Lord intend to acceede to the prop.;sitio.i which he had taken lite liberty to make on the first tn,at of tfie sessiusi2 itavieg skim obtoineptio satisfec tory amswes, he MI a again waked, tt hello.' the Committee to be appointed shuuid tie furnished with powets to call for witnesses pawls mid esery necessary source of accurate tar formation? Lurd CASTLEREAGH replied, that it was intended to I . OIIOW the precedent of former cans of it similar nature, Such . ~ THE NATIONAL REGISTER. powers *s the Honourable Gentleman alluded to, had not been gOntrrell ou such occasions. Mr. Ilitotwak?t.—Does the Noble Lord then reply in the negative? Am I entitled so to understand him? Lord Carmanuactt was understood to bay, that he had replied in the negative. SLAVE-TRADE. Dr. Pm u.ttmotte moved for a return of all vessels engaged in the slavc•trade captured by British ittips, and brought under the view of the Court of Admiealty in this country, since the Ist of January, ltlls, and also the nambe► of those vessels restored, the number of Condemned, and the number still pending;.together with an acconnt of slaves found in each vessel. Ordered. The House adjourned at half past ria o'clock. THURSDAY'. • REVENUE. In answer to a question from Mr. Curwen, the Chancellor of the Exchequet stated that on comparison of the debt incurred last year and the debt paid off, there was a balance of inure than .3,ouu,udo in, favour of.,the country. Mr. M. A. TAYLOR, preparatory to a motion, which he should submiton the 17th of February, for holding .tssize, in the Northam Counties twice a year, moved for copies of the calentlets of prisoners in the counties of Wesunoreland, Cuinbcrland, Northumberland, and Durham, for the last 40 years, with the dates of their respe five commitals, and the number.of acquittals; as likeseiseollie num 01' 1 causes during the bailie period. prdered. 1.. 111 . R Mr. GRENErLt, on occasion of Barbing by the eport s ...of the Committee of Supply, rose to make solne observations on the trans actions with the Bank. It had appeared, that its the year Isl 6 the Bank had if,000,0001. of the public money. For that sum they lent 3,te50,0001. They indeeeljent 9,000,0001. 44 per cent. lie would sup pose:. that the raw of int.:felt wets' titenee per cent. The ► percent. then comittitedt bonus of tetaissol. The trouble and expense of the Bari: were said to be entitled to remuneration. Was there a banker who would not say that he eitould he well paid for all this trouble and expense by eseroote.? But we allowed snore than half a million.— (freer, hear.) Were the.tinances of the country is a Aide to warrent such profusion? Was the condition of the people, groaning ;under the pressure of taxation, such as rendered this subject, as unworehyiof consideration ? (Hear, beer.) Ile trusted the Right flonouralile teentlewati would not limit his arrears against the Bank to the paltry sum of 3.(0),0001. The l'elesteELLOß ef the Exc iIECatER replied, that at present the rate of intere.t w i ve higher than the Honourable tienthened had stated. 'eihe sum now in question was employed to prey safe debt they owed to the . Bank. (1./MNII'I"fEE ON THE STATE OF THE COUNTRY. Lord CesTeEREAGH,in moving tliet s the papers laid on the table by command of his Royal Ifighnees be referred to arfiecret Commute. lie reheated that a bill of Indemnity might be necessary, and would he called for ; bon ifolid we arise, rind was not intended to arise,from the papers on the table. it was not consietent with the ;subtle safety. and with the security of individuals who had been called upon to act for the public safety, that the reasons and circumstances of tneir con duet should he disclosed. It was, de:refine, noxosary that Ministers should have a bill of indemnity. to prelude them from being obliged to deteud themselves u. its Courts of Jo,tice against every individual who might complain of the conduct which they lied felt to be neces sary fur the public *afety. An lade:minty was therefore necessary on abstract ground. Mr. Ti i:lts EV ridiculed the course whicVs Ministers were persn ing. Ile contended that the wanner in width tee paean belt been brought into the House was altogether without a purrallel. 'to Nies sage had accompanied than to whom the Hutu: on the name of their content-I.—lndemnity, lie admitted. might Ise suinetinies neves eery. But in tee prevent instance. the Secretary ihr the House the. purtnueit. or rather the aelmisistestioe, for lie was only their organ, had been guilty of utiwarruntelile severity. (Hear, hear.) — 'f ney had taken up nu leaders, no persons connected with any his, tinguislied or opulent families; but they - drew' aelreg-tret over certain counties, and seized all within their grasp. tic owl read every went of the I)erby trials with the gr. retest care. and hie labour was 'lidded amply tea - meted by the great and splendid atoditice of one of the counsel for the prisoners. his I.eatned Friend Ale. Doman. 'There it appeared that Minister*, to speak in the gentlest wrist, of their conduct, had let the thing go too far, whets it was in their power to stop it. 'filere was some alarm last Year; hut the alarm never did require a Suspension of the Habeas Cumuli. But if soy on: thing disgusted the nation, whatever unglot have been their ideas of danger. or of t h e suspension—if any one thing disgusted the &swami more titan another, it was the public Wiest white) referred us the agency of inter nal sewaadrels who incited the people to rebellion: elinieters had a right to get information ; but to employ per.ons who. by their inda mastery language. excited to die v. e y acts ought to lILIVt been prevented, and then to dreg the unhappy victims of their delusion to the seethed, formed a MSS:, of atrocious villainly which never stained the annale sit dm country before. (ii !rear.) :Mr. 11. BATHURST begged to remind the Right Honourable Gen tleman that he lied 1 elf been one of the administration that brought thrward a similar nwasure in Dios ; and although a Right Huimerable Gentknian then opposed it. it paseed. 'foe Committee were not boiled to report aceseeliag to the pleasure of Ministers ; the word, ware •• to report as it shall molest to them, to the !louse." The Bight Houourable ISe:ideate:l laid resent= again totlie old argu ment, that near of tic higher ranks had been implicated in etiepicion. This ha.l not teem pretended. In the reports of both !forams they were described as middle ranks, lower cla-ee, or orate sueli ter ms.— . had a right to rater to We sit had been preveeted, as well as what had been resisted. A, to vies, the Gueei niacin might throw the odium upon inferior magistrates who sent their informations to diem. 'flier.; was a great 111.4,4 of people whose object was not only any particular retimn, but the overthrow of the Government. Tine was extol:tined mid proved in several instances; but the Right 11011. Gentleman had tee other memory of these but the abilities of one of die counsel. All were convicted upon trial, or confessed their guilt. 'rimy hielexpectetl support front vetiotoo part-. of the country, and that support was prevented by the Sitspeneon of the Habeas Corpus. Those taken up in other places were the leadere, wording to the in formation sit' do e locally best acquainted with tlmus. It had been mid that a Committee by ballot was appointed by the 'freassury. The Right Honourable Gentlemen had tnalticed perems alluded to, in language not Parliamentary, and particularly if he alluded to a per sons to whom he supposed allusion to have been made. That persons had excited to no improper act, and done no liana, but lie had done much good to the public. Mr. DOUGLAS entereithis solemn protest against the form of' pro ceeding which it now appeared to be die intention of Ministers to adopt. He held it to be equally dangerous wet disgraceful us due character of the House of Comintens, aid he censured in strimg terms the whole conduct of Minister respecting the late disturbancee. Sir S. Ito lILLY believed that the proposed mode of proceeding was quite unprecedented, and though at times adopted witliont any direct tueasage from the Crown, never, except in contemplation of soute precautionary legislative measures. Now they had the highest authority fur knowines, that no such measures were intended, for they had been declared to - be unnecessary in the speech of the Lords Cent missitoners, representing the Crown, on opening the lument eso-sion of Parliainent. The only °Noe, then, of appointing the Committee must be to lay the ground work of a bill of Indemnity, whirls it was felt must neceesarily be preceded by at least the appearance of an inquiry, in the present state of public opinion. 'fhe hose: should recollect the responeibility which itself owed to its constituents, and not be deluded into a belief that a ballot was proposed for any other putpoie than for securing a bill of Indemnity. The common mind decent fern's of die !loose were abandoned, when Ministers, whose conduct alone was in question, were themselves to s.:lect the judges of it. lle Wag surUsx- 1 4.0 hear the 'tight Honourable (send, man assert, that the tria ls Derby had fully established tile tiece..-ity of the Swornesion Act i for . if tbe;v was vat citing more recruit - able than another in the course of those trials, it was, that tiro counsel for the Crown studiously avoided, although challenged to it by the prisoners' count:. I. to ,ay one word al out the mien) ut the conspiracy, or in ells proof of the allegation of lb teasing been caused by the Agents of Government. In adopting the proposed plan of proceeding a most dangerous example would for the first time be established under the regettcy of his Royal Highness; and if its evil tendtncies were not corrikted by Parliament, it might, at no very) distant day, materially change the constitution, and with it, the character of Englishmen for ever. He should only add, that there was no reason whatever for secrecy at present ; and that the only object, therefore, of a Secret Committee must be to procure a bill of Indemnity. Mr. PHILIPS observed, that one of the charges against the dis affected was, that they laboured to bring the ! louse or Vommons into contenu t ; but nothing could so effectually reduce them In th , ,. pub lic opinion as the partial elation of a tribunal which was aunsututed for such a purpnie as that under consideration. Mr. C. W. Wys N in an able speech defended the Conduct of Ministers, not only under the Suspension but in the course now pro posed io.ne adopted. Sir W. 811 I[IIOI7GUS anadmadverted in strong terms to the con. , duct of Ministers, and intyrixised Limself decidedly hostile to the pre stmt measure. ..... Sir J. SLURP:IIIT thought there was no discontent or disturbance in the country, which might nut have been checked by the ordinary powers of the law. and the ordinary vigour of the magistrates. The events, in his opinion, did not at all justify the extraordinary remedy • which had been resorted to. (Hoat.) • Nr. ELLIsdN, opertink td• ram had been said shout the con ' f eksion of one of the her conviett, slid,' that what (handrail 11;4 rhentioned about Oliver jn his dying moments, was a gross false hood put into his mouth,vwhiell • was Delieved to he false by all who heanl him. H e could state, that in the quarter from which lie came or emissaries had been sent from Derby snd Nottingham to disturb the quiet people of hiti.neighbotirhood. The suspension act was, in his opinion, perfectly instinct!: but if Ministers could not now make cut • egost case of justification as to the exercise of the discrethinary pow • ers intrusted to them, he pledged himself that he mould vote Against them. When every thing pious and religious was atevihed, he could not but protest against such stalr, sue* traslii midair& non sense. . 1 ' r i k , u • Mr. SawiLLE censidered the 4 cohn as ch improved since last .Itettr, in its commercial. agranaural, and manufacturing interests. but he could not altogether give the ministers credit tier its ainclioni lion. The hints. the strong hints which they had received (ruin par liament, induced them to adopt the measures of economy and retrench. ment, which had bean so successful. Mr. FunlIES did not think that the measures which his Nlajesty's ministers had adopted had been fly any means uncalled for or unne cessary, though he consitiered that Wine different use might hays been made t.f them. The question was then put and agreed to, ii.e.ivere the questions that C;e Committee should be one of semen, and sltduld consist of IL members. On the question that the Committee should bk. appointed by ballot, Mr. iltiounnast again opposedthe course of pr, weeding. The !louse then divided. For the ballot, tere.—Againir it, 29. Majority for Minters, 73. Adjourned. Fittnar. WAYS AND MEANS. The CHANCELLOR of the ERCHELIVER moved the order of the day forgoing into the Committee-of Ways and Means. Ile Aster. 'emote moved that the Speaker should leave the chair. on which he •rose tu propose the:usual and annual grants. and a to Wier . eraet fur the replacing of 'Exchequer Bills. He moved a Re...halve ri the Committee to grant the mutual duties all land and malt, au lowa. ing to :7.000,0001. Nlr. TIERNEY remarked, that it appeared that the Grant requa stivtofflel amount to 330.0,0001. 'lite CHANCELLOR or the Feet' Erie': IT Cilia he should propv;e a Ariake of 30,00nmoul. to replace Exchequer Bills. Mr. TILRNEY iv/Mlloooos to ktOr what were the reasons for considering that the suni of 30,0115,utAil..trould be tiatilcient ? Also wherl‘er the 0410,0001. to the Bat* were to be ptfid elf in niobey 'fbariassierxxon of the Ezeitieravea had not the smallest hesitation in deducing, that it was the intention of his Majesty's Ministers that the repayment to the Bank of the loan of 6,000,000, should be made in inonoy. - .cod not tri 'Exchequer hills.—(hear, hear.)—Upen the other more general subject had been ;A verted to, although nut now before the House, he was desirous of making one or two observations. If it should become necessary to propose to VA:humeri t the postponement of the resumption of calks reyments, it would not be from any purpose of consulting the con e enience of Government but would be submitted on grounds per fectly distinct. Mr. TIER "St:Y thought the Rt. Hon. Gentleman's explanation perfectly sati.factory as faros 'related to repayment M the 6,tani30.1. in money to the Bank, because it would enable the Bank to do what in his (pinion they ought todo--reduce the amount of their issues ; but he had wiinviied with g reat dismay, the sort of levity tents which the Right lion. Gentleman treat e d the very serious question,. whether the Bank was to return to its regular payments this year or the next. Mr. F. Letets,nid, he must avow himself to be extremely an x ions to see the circulating usedituu of the uountry replaced as b[loll 'as pos sible on its only secure basis. Lord Cagy rite Lacit staid. that it would afford the utmost so tisfactim, and, he be allowed es say, it amid constitute a triuniphto his Mitie•tv's Ministers., t t witness the resumption o r cash payments by the (tat k but they hail another ditty top erforni, the duty of defending and proaaming the commercial interests of the country. M. flaststelig.l.EY thought it might prevent much delmion.tutd serve to che.k those tmnsw.tion4 which were now going on to an alarming extent . if the Noble Lord would distinctly declare that the provision of the treaty of Isl 4 constitutal no guarantee to sup ee quent speculators in the funded propevy of Frame. Lord Cawri.eituanst said, the debts which were due by the French Government at the period of the treaty of peace of I sl4 to British creditors 4rerstagtot a confiscation of British property early in the preceding war, In aletravention of an article of the treaty of Amiens. The case of those creditors was entirely different from that of persons speculating in the public. funds of another country, who Lad not the remotest claim upon the kcurity of this governa.ant. lie was anxious tliat it should be under-toil mat the interests of such persons could not be made a national object without the most ruinous political consequences. The Resolutious were then read and agreed to; the Report to be re.. calved on Monday. B A 1.1.0 T. Mr. Bit riont:w brought up the report of the Committee which had been sprinted early in the evening to scrutinizo the lista of names for serving on the Committee of Storey. then it appe.:red tl.at the election had fallen on the following /t numbers : Lord Milton. I .onl G. Cavendish, Lord ('astkrea t .h, Lord 1. Right lion. C. B. Bathurst. Iloti. W. Latube, Sir A. Piggut, Mr. C. %V. Wynne, Sit W. Scott Sir J. Siclin.l. Tne Attorney-(:L rol. The Solicitor Getieral, Mr. Canning, Ron. C. Yo-ke. Mr. W. Eger. ton, Mr. Willarthree. Mr. Bootle Wilbraham. Mr. W. Dundas, Sir R.reel. Sir W. Curtis. Admiral Frank. Sir M. 11'.1111)1.FY remarked. that his noble Friend, Lord G. Cavendish, was at a c.msiderable distance, and in circoroßt•olo.ltwi'ich made h impowible for him to attend. Ile wished to know whether any oLt s jection was felt to the nomination of Slr . Tierney i n his place. 1.0111 C L CHF. AGII apprehended that this would be a pro ceeding perfectly inconsistent with the tiottire of a committsw eltoken be ballot. noble lord, whose absence hetet:Tr wts it. every point of view a itio.4 plots r pawn to be in the committee. and pros nobly ae. sod. had been ...keted. The question, that the committee should meet tomorrow, (,ester. day), vios Ott:tie:uric& as were several od,crs relative to the h..: it,c , a of the comm . :gee. Tile colter (mitts of the day were shut disposad of ) and the bouo akkjeatial, . r . •