The National Register. — London, England, 1822-03-18 00:00:00

UMW 4.61 82 9 invertal Vatitantent. HOUSE OF LORDS. stoxoav, MARCII 1 1. The mv:.l assent was given by commission to the Sugar and Tohaem BM. the Transfer of Aids Bill, the Itish importation of Arms Bill, the Irish Scizare of Arms Indemnity Bill, a n d th- Irish Population B:11. The Commissioners were, the Lord Chancellor, the Earl of Sh•u'tcsiniry, and Lord Rodestlale. The Attorneys and Solicitors' Practice Regulation Bill was read a third time and rowed. Brogden, Gen. Gascoine. Sir H. Hardy, and other mem bers trout the Commons. brom;ht up the Commissions of:A:size Regulation Dill, and two private bills. whiz:: c. - sre read toe first time. The Harlot' BLESsINGTON, purstiant to notiee, brooglit in a hill to facilitate the registration of deeds in Ireland. The 11111 wrrold authorize persons to send their deeds to be memorialized in +mance enrrJritshed in England. A copy of the deed so me• niorialized might then be transmitted to Ireland, and received as evidence. The LORD CH ANCELLOII asked when the Noble Earl Intended to move the second reading of the Bill. The Earl of BLE: 4 SIN;;ToN answered this day fortnight. Earl GREY, addressing the noble Earl at the head of his Ma jesty's Government, said I could wish to have ti c opinion of the Judges as to the power Parliament w. may has to violate the 37th of the late ICing, by which pmprietors of S per cents hold their stock on the sceu:ity that 't shall not be paid off. until a certain portion of the public stss ,r is raid till'. I wish to know whether the eniciint of stock mentioned by the Act has been bonl dischaiwil. If Ido not hear this from the learned Judges, I should like to hear it from the noble Lord upon the woolsack.— I think it material, as persons who arc to he precluded from holding 3 per cent. stock after Saturday, that the House should have the whole measure befire them. I understand that another hi must accompany the S per cents. bill, to make it perfect ; and it will he extraordinary if we pass the bill without hating till the details before the lionse. Tile Earl (.1 LIVERPOOIo—The real merits of this bill will not depend upon the question whether Government and Parli:unent are competent to pass this bill with reference to the falth and 27th of the late King. 'There will be a special claase, giving time to persons not m this country. It is i.ossible discussion mey arise on the principle of the bill; but I cm prepamd to say public inconvenience would re nit from delay in the adoption of this measure. When the BM does tome fairly before the house, it will be my duty to enter into discussion and combat the objections of th.. Noble Earl, or coy other noble Peer. l.crd GREY said, he lamented that Parliament could net do justice to one class without injury to another; but the interest of the majority was at all times to be supported. If the bill was hurried through that I louse, it was an cilium of the confidence of persons who placed property in the hands of Government. Howe then adjourned during pleasure. in order to wait for the Five per Centum lull, which was some time after passed itt the Commons and brought to the Lords. The House having resumed, the bill was received, and read Cie first time. The second reading was then fixed for to-m.4nm. —Adjionned. TUrSDAT, ‘IICII 17. The Marquis of LANSDOWNE presented a petition from a number of persists, complaining . of injury sustained by the operation of the Act for the Registration of Settlements. The petitioners prayed fOr relief—Laid on the table. The Marquis of I.ANSDOWN reso gave notice, that a noble friend then unavoidably absent. would present, oa Friday nest, a petition from a Ivey body of penFoos in Ireland, on the subject of Tidies. lie should also present a similar petition on the sante day. The Earl of LIVERPOOL rose on the order of the ear to move the second reading of this Ball. Ile should not trouble the House, he said, with many observations on the measure.— • The question was, whether they were entitled in ;rood faith to proceed with this Bill. It was originally tweed that this Five per rent. Stock should rot be redeemable before V 5.000.0001. of the Public Debt should he paid eff. 'I hat sum, the noble Earl contended. had been paid tilt' the public debt, and consequently that the stock was redeemable. lie concluded by nursing d.c second reading of the hill. The LORD C lIANCELLOR sold. he should object to this bill if he did not consider the Five per Cents. redeemable by lows lie made this ob ervation in consequence of what fell from a noble Earl last night. His opinion was called for, and he considered .it his duty to state fairly to the House, that doubts mited atise on the construction of Acts of Parliament, but it was clear that every pecon in!the money merket had acted upon an impression that the Five per Cents. were subject to redemp tion. The Act of the Mb of George the Third created no diffi culty with respect to this measure. There was nu part of that act which gave the public the benefit of notice as to pitying oft' the Five per Cents. The plain condition was, that they should not be redeemed until 15,otabne;r1. be paid of. That brought it to the question, had 25,00n,0001. been paid off or not ? It might be said debt was paid off on one hand, and debt incurred on the other ; and some dilliculty might raise on that point ; but it appeared reasonable to suppose the Legislature would not have kti that point unocitie‘d if they had imendial to raise the ques- lion. E.rl GREY returned thanks to the noble and learned lend on the Wooleacit, for the pains taken to remove tile inityressirn on his mind. lie did not state doubts to induce. the !louse to te jeet the measure, hut to gain time thr consideration. It-wits ad mitted. that this F,ve per Cent. Stock was not to be redeenizd until 25,000.000 of the public debt was paid al; and the ques tion tea, whether lona fide to touch of the debt had been dis charged. The noble Elul urged the necessity .ot delay, in elder atlind Psi'lament the power of full eli , ,cussiell. Tiae Earl of H A 111101 VI A. supported the - hill. Lord ELLENBOROU4II otshea for the opinion of the Judges upon'the question. whether 25p00,00n1. of the debt had been pia off. according to the spirit and 'nestling of the 26.11 .Deortre 111. • The Marquis of LANSDOWNE. expressed an opinion that government bad the power to redeem the stuck, but objected to the mode of taking the dissents. The bill was then read a second time, and committed for to morrow.--The !louse adjouthed. wEnx ststo.,Y, On the motion or the Ell of I.IVIII ef)oi., the !loose went into a Committee on the Five ptr Centurn Annuities Transfer B 11. EL ill GREY oti t chid to the 12th el which enact:, that rll petaons who sh:11 riot. within the period commencing on monde) the 4rh of anti ending on i , ,aturilay the itith day of Nl•nch, Is . .tt, both darn inclusive. si!.nity their dissent from accerthig a i•liarc in the Font per Cent. Aural:Atli iu 1:‘:u of :heir risperiive sham in the live per l'entimi Annuitio, shall be de.incti and taken to have consented to the same. The clione then grief' On 14. r °vale tf4ar ~.oprierots of Ike per centum An nuities not wic Ain the limit/ ul the ranted Kingdom. at any time within tivi tied diy of February and the tiith of Match, rb - a, iv ay signify their iiiiaxmt Law( the f.rst day of dime. The tvible F.e.11 Aid not 44 why the %Ct ! back to the •i 2.1 of Ir.bruiey, wivrt.7.tutras were only cull if open to dissent be• iiireet, Me wth acd thin days of Waren. was Ice: taihly an " tar i f a L im Is wo, ts.t hq inuntien to propose rn tAlkfla• rasiSb 144 (revels iticatiorwr. ale LLart mem as un iucuusi:ornry. "..khn.tal of 1,1% - /.lll'l - 1r)1.. the reirorpective iperation ‘ -f4)petill nit a !le noble Frdhatl sio4cetl, w.S tztiodu.A.ti with A l'areti.i. • . 4 4lOttliaLt . Tur. NATIONAL ItEGISTEII_ _ . The wirers, dames were then a reed to. and the report having been made, the MI was onlervd to be rvad the third time to. morrow. The House adjourned. THURSDAY, XIAIICII t. Lord KING gave notice that he simu!d call the attention of the Wive, on this day sennight to the cxoenrei ef List, with a view of proposing a reductiosr, r.ot. :n the personal owences cf the Suveteige, but tithe , -.7.t.relles of the puhlic ser vice. the noble 1..0:4 r.ccortlingtv InJvetl the House be stun toonerl fur this day se'nnight. They were accordingly sum. owned. Toe Mart•"L rf LANSDOW NM presented a petition from Pcndrinier and Co., praying permission to bring in a istll to extend his patent rignt for making paper by machinery. The petition was laid on the table. The Earl of LIVERPOOL moved the th:rd reading of the Five pee Centinn Annul y The Earl of ROSE:1E1111Y expressed his general a.sent to the BR!. Ile considered it a meat:rue completely within the spirit anti meaning of the 26th of George 111. The Marquis of LANSDOWNE, in order to record his dis approbation of that part of the Dill which calls upon the hollers of live per Cent. Stock to give in their dissent before the 16th of March, moved an amendment to insert after the word " of," the word April." It was not his intention to divide the House upon the question, but merely to propose the amendment, for the purpose of expressing his dissent ti Fitt of the bill. Theamendurent was then put, and negatived without a (bid , blOll. Lord CALTIIORPR vllatled to the present unfortunate state of In.Lotl, and moved that an humble address be presented, praying his Majesty would be graciously pleased to order that there he lad biline that [louse a return of all commitments to gaols in counties of Ireland in wl.icti the Insturcc:ion Act had been put in execution. within the lust six months. a nd of u!1 convictions whirl; had taken place under the Special Commis sions of A:size, within the said disturbed Coundes.—The motion was agreed to, and the (louse adjourned. MARCH 15. The Royal Assent vas given by Commission to the rive per Cetus. Bill, and the Commissions of Assisi Sill. The Com missioners were, the Lord Chancellor, Viscount Melville, and the Earl of Shaftesbury. Lord ERSKINE presented three petitions from the owners anti occupiers of land in Suffilk and Oxfordshire. complaining of agricultural distress, and praying relief. The Petitions were read and laid on the table. ILCIIESTER GAOL. Lord DARN LEY called the attention of his Majesty's Go vernment to a subject which he considered of great importance. Ile alludcd to abmes in Ilchester Gaol. Every individual must acknowledge that the country was much obliged to Mr Hunt for having brought those abuses before I'arli.unent4ana he trusted the Ilouse would consider it their duty to investigate the matter. He did not suppose government had atahorised the oppression exercised, but it was most extraordinary that care had not been taken to prevent the existence of all unnecessaty hardships. History had always strewn, that where governments oppressed an individual, he became more formidable. The noble Earl concluded by moving for copies of the Report of the Commis sioners appointed to enquire into the state of Ilcheater gaol.— Ordered. The Marquis of LANSDOWNE wished, before the House proceeded to the ingot - tam bmineos of the day, to ask a noble Earl whether any measure was likely to be adopted with respect to the general regulation of gaols ? The subject some time ago oe:up:ea - the attention of that I louse, and it was understosal to be the intention of a noble Viscount (So!maid') to introduce a bill. He wished theretbre to know whether such a bill was likely to be brought in 1 The Earl of LI VERPOOL said he was not able to give any decisive answer. The subject had occupied the serious attention of his Right Eon. Friend (Lord Sidmouth), but he was nut able to ray whether any spccidc retn:dy had beer; adopted. Lord HOLLAND did. jocosely, that the attention of Go vernment was always occupied with almost every subject which came belbre Parliament ; yet his Majesty's Ministers brought forth nothing. TITHES IN IRELAND. The Mew of DEVONSHIRE rose to present a petition from the Mayor, Aldermen, and Common Council of the City of Waterford. complaining of the Tithe System in Ireland, and raying it night be made subject to Parlianicinary.inquiry.— lite noble Duke observed, that Parliament, taking into consi &ration the distressed state of Ireland, would be unavoidably led to the present system of Tithes, which ought unquestionably to he the subject of inquiry. The petitioners said they possessed the Tithes of 13 parishes, and that they were willing w concur in any sacritice by way of commutation, or any inodus which might lead to public tranquillity. The noble Duke had chem.- fuily taken upon himself the duty of presenting this petition. because he was glad of the opportunity of expressing publicly how sincerely and deeply he fe.t, as a Peer of Parliament. and as an Irish proprietor, every thing which related to the welfare of the people of Irelaacl. Ile was induced to attribute the very lengthened complaints and disorder in Ireland to eonicalling wrong in the sye.cm of Government in that country, and if that was the case the House woi Id feel how necessary it was , to cuter, without delay, into the inquiry demanded by the petitioners.— The noble Duke was the on tier of 20 parishes in - Ireland, and he animal their Lordships that he was ready to make a large sa crifice to insure peace and a:Malin:on. Ile felt it as a lay regulator that he was bound to consider the peacitaafti happiness of individual, and in the sacrifice he nate!: make with respect to tit . es, he tad not see that be iaaanfered with the lights of tae clera. Ile was satisfied that any measure allowing a contain ration of tithes in Il Lunt could not interfere with the question of tithcs in England. The petition lie preiented spoke the language of all theloyal and intelligent people 01 Ireland. The petition was that read. The Eat! of I.IVE said, he never recollected hearing an important subject delivered in that Houae in a more able and manly manner. The noble Duke was entitled to more than the common consideration of Pin Lament. Tile question of tithes ocetiaied die serious attention of his Majesty's government, and that of the Lord Liettaniaot of Ireland. Tile nuLl: Marl ad mitted that the question ought to be cainsideted by nub:et - tent independent of the di:anthem:es in Ireland, and eLo that it could not interfere with any question arising out of tithes in linglitud. The Petition was laid on the table.—Adjourned. IiOUsE OF I.:OyIAMONS• sIONDA V, MAUCH 11. The Speaker crone to the honse at half past 3 o clock. Mr. 0114111'e, the yt0113411 usher, then sunnlinhrd the lonise to attend in the house of peers, to bear the ro, al as cot eiven, by cotionlssion, to smolt y bills. (See Lords.) Mr. O. 1,11110, All. Plnu ett,and Mr. K. Douglas, touts the 0411tsoli I:wir seats. Tue Dublin Foondliog Hospital Lill was read a first time. Sr veral petition• were presented against the Edinburgh Pollee bill, and r. to Ilie committer. Pe'ilir , its cuntelait.:og o; act ei distress were pre. sehtett limo the flohletoess gt it:littoral Society, and the county of Denbigh. Mr. CURWEN usve Cot en Fi Hay he 1111011 bl Itlo%r Wr a committee of the s hole house on the ,ul•jee l of the ttutit s Ohl taboo., butter, and c;jec.e, in order tint n (hip prt•pottiou uf duty might be ta:.eu otf flUla 4.1101 at tit he. Mr. COKE presented * petition from Wade') against the Norfolk New Gaol bill. Mr. 0. BENNET!' presented a petition from certain debtors confined ie I` . .e4tester real , erintilaining of the e•„..t.ao or rigoar to whir It they were sithjeiteri the Clete rules null regulation.t.—Read, and (ordered to be piiiitra. Mr. G. BEN NET I . then presented a petition from the . Rev. Mr Cressw. 11. of St. Suntersetshire, in fa vour 4.f Charles Hill, a crown debtor, who had been int. propel ly ronfloed in Ileheeter gaol for sixteen years, oil remand of some taxes. FIVE PER CENTS. BILL. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER Moved the third reading of the Navy Five per Cents. bill. Mr. TIERS 3Y Said, those who were interested in this matter complained that they hail net the notice to which they were entitled. The Three per Cents, an well as the Four per Cents., were to be paid off as prescribed by the at is ott the subject ; end they showed the Five per Cent. holders what was meaon by a r redeeming and paying off —lle quoted the 25'1i Gen. IL and lie urged that the pro visions of the la..v wine not to - implied with. It ;untitled diet the Five per Cent. bidders should, not be subjected to he paid off till 2'S millions of the Three per Cents. were paid till. Ile did not wish to throw any ditlieulties in the way of government, but lie 1 , 110111,1 like to have the opinion of the learned gentleman on the eithject. The SOLICITOR GENERAL said, that the Three per Cent. holders bad accepted of terms of payment held out to them r and as they were satisfied, he did not see how the Five per Cent. hollers could complain. The Three per Cent. holden had been satisfied. Mr. TIERNEY said, his objection was not removed or answered. The Five per Cent. holders hail calmilated on a certain notice, that of 12 months; and the p r oceedings of the Three per Celt'. proprietors COIIIII ant affect the 'dale language of the set. The law hall given them a certain techirity in the way of notice, and no compromise or agreement on the part of the Three per Cent. holders could affect die other 'moire. Mr. IIUtIi.ISSON maintained that the Subject had been accurately answered by his hothand learned ()lend. The subsequent art afigemente, by the 16111 clause, etude no reference to the Ithli Geo. IL He admitted that by the 22d of the King, they were in elicit a Ott:Ilion that they could not pay or portion , of the Three per Cents. witheia 12 months' notice. With regard to the other funds, the parliament would not have so tied lip the government as to coined them to nliiile by such reguletion. Mr. ELLICE said, that, to his plain understanding, the law had provided dial '25 millions of the debt should filet he paid off, by reducing the Three per Cents. to that amount I now, a reduction of the debt to that a ttttttt lit had not been made paid oR, therefore lie again contended, that die Five per Cent. holders were not fairly treated. His former objections still existed; Ito still compl tined of the terms of the bill. Mr. IV [ELIA MS saitl,that he knew a ;Arty who hail pr o tean,' a disarm which hail been refused. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER observed, that the party had only lost the runnerical order, whirl' was not of mach consequeuee, as all the ditiaents would be pail off in one day. 'l* he bill was then read a third time. A new clause was brought up, making additional pro visions on the subject of Five per Cents. blending in the homes of tiusteee.—Agreed to. Mr. HUME rove to ;adipose a clause, to which he thought thete would he no objection. t here were not it provision to gnat d the country against such additional expetice, the Batik would charge the customary 3001. per million fur 7,00a,0C0 . increase to the capital of the debt, for their charge of matiagement of the transfer. He then read die clause, providing that their should lie no addi tional charge on the part of 'lie Bank for the management of the debt an account of this bill. Mr. MANNING said, there never was any iatention to chat ge for the transfer ; but the ILIA Was entitled to charge for the additional amount made to the 41. ht. To agree to this clause would be to violate the act of IEOI. The Bank now undertook to make good all forgeries on the funds: if that act were violated, the liability would be removed. Mr. I'. GRENVELL said, if tide charge were snowed, there would be an I'll4lloonel charge fir managing this dlebt, of between 2 and 3,e0.11. a year. Thus they would lose the savings made by reducing two of the Lords of the Admiralty. lie denied that there would be any charge and trouble worth naming by making the tralisfere. Lord LONDONDERRY said, there was neither prin ciple 'tor motive in the clam..., for the law already settled what the Ilank.wel io receive. Was there any motive for taking flat; transaction out of the opt ration of the law ? Tie stun mould not be above 2,ei 01. Lord J. RUSSELL said, that on a former night the 1101110 marquis admitted that they ought to attend to the smallest savings. Lord LONDONDERRY explained. lie had merely submitted that the law already settled 1110 gliell1l011; it was one of good faith. The clause was negatived without a division. The bill was them passed. Sir F. InnwErr gave notice, that on WedneadaY sehmight he should move for an address to the croon to remit the reinainder of Mr. Hind's sentence. (Helm) SUPERANNUA fION Acr. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER proceeded to advert to such progress as bad been made to eat ry into effect his ;Majesty's nitssage to promote by all possible means au ecositimieal expenditure attic croon,especially as far es concerned those servants of the crown who 114,1 lielanne superannuated. 'fill ISIO they were provided for by bin iens means, by sinecures, &c. wlldth wet e in convenient.' ; but at that period there was passed e hat was now called the Saperammation Act. Its operation, hunever, had beets defective, and it had entailed consi. deualde expence on the goverombent. However, the house would soon have die opportunity cf judging what really had been done, by reining of the stale of the office', the salaries, fee. The revenue departments, 17,147 per sons, coat 1,C01,0301.; there were 1,732 persons superior uu itedi ; their income was 164,021. The average suptaaiistuatioli salary was 591. I!e next noticed the government dept' intent (lit' Treasury, Mint, &c. The average was meet, the waste, The SalariCS were .43,001. for 9.3 person.; te3,(P. I. (or id sriperat 1111 l persdnis. 'lle total of sularies therefore was 1,:.:0,),0ad1., for entire aminatione, 177,00 h—the latter fir 29 erste service on an average. The act of 181 a, as be Mid said, wasClio' recd. r; persuus l/ClWet 11 10 011.1'20 year.' service received it ci riain late of ailuwatice ; those shove to eut y years an 'drained rale; Lot tit:listen 20 and 43 yeata' gravies - t' .~