The National Register. — London, England, 1821-04-02 00:00:00

The Spoiled Stamps bill was re-committed. The funk e e pers . Allowance bill went through a COM. mittee. Repast to mot row. Mr. LUslllbiti I . ON moved the commitment of the bill—and Mr. Brogden, the chairman of the committee, Nut beteg plesesmi, Mr. laishitigton took the ch.•.lr, •aud rend his own mutton fur the consideration of the bill in catmint lee. The Ale and Beer Ditties hill was read a third time and passed. Mr. P. GRENFELL made his promised motion respect ing the purchase of silver by the Mint—particularly as fur as regarded the purchase of silver by the Mint from the Bank at a price beyond the market value. lie paid some compliments to the ~ a y in wlrtrim the sMI% er coinages were conducted by the idiot, and condoled with musing fur accounts of purchase. of silver, the pasties, ece. The CIiANCELLOR of the I.XCHEOULII moved that the house resolve tutu a committee on the Batik Cash Payments bill. Mr. P. OitENFELL hail no objection to the motion, but lie aas anxious to do justice to the directors of the Bank ol Ireland. It had been stated, that they wcm e in terested in preventing the resllllllollll of cash payments, and that they would lint discount for those who were eu gaged in importing cold ; but lie was happy to stale, that sl o p e was out the least foundation fur these statements. They continued their discounts—l'm thm t, they illertll , Cll their paps r notes tu iiit et the dm:Et:ail:is , I esulmiug the (adore of some voiiiitiy batiks. &Ir. PEEL said, lie w.i. happy to hear what had fallen from the 11011. inembet (Mt. G.) Lnuisiii, tehat importance was attached to the hon. From his official knowledge, he knew that the Itish Bank had acted most liberally ; and let it be remenibesed, that suet' com pany had the whole management of die Irish debt; tor which no charge •a hulev4 r was made to the public. Mr. M. FITZGERALD obsessed, that the greatest praise was due to the general r °millet of the Irish Batik ; but for the liberality of that company, the g , eate , t dis tress must have resulted from the failisre of certain banks. Mr. RICA RDO (nisei veil, that the Irish Bank had hem) peculiarly circumstanced : and in the moment a di•t►ess, they behaved with gust energy—with more energy, lie believed, than wimmild hate eliaractesised the Batik of England tinder similar eticunistances. They load increased their circulation upwards ufso per cent. and would have increased their issues atilt more could they have found security. As to the management of the debt of Ireland by the batik of that Cotintry, it was Complimentary to the bank that it was done on such terms, essms ci.silv when they remembered what the Baulk of Esigland received fur the management of the debt. Yir J. NEWPORT sm;gestral whether it weis:d nut be adviseable to ;Ojos', tint• debate, to make way for that bushiers whie•h had been adjoin tied last night, on the understanding that it should come on Carly He therefore moved that the debate be adjusts nen till to ■rorrow. Agreed to. Several other ot tiers were tt,en pnstp•roed. CaTitui.te BlLLi.—Sir J. NEWPORT then moved that the house resolve into a committee. on the Catholic Dia , abilities Removal Ali. C. HU ICI ll ON ruse, pursuant to his promise, to call the intention of the house to the proposed second bi 11. lie di.l not warn to atter the temper in which these debates had been conducted, though lie hail been assured by anonymous and other cinies,iunilehts, thet by the course which he was about to ;mastic he slioniti very ma terially injure the great cause of die Roman Catholics. He had no such wish; his Catholic countrymen must know, that in itiontutitig the interests of the empire. be had never neglected their cause. Ile denied that securi ties were requisite; they would not be productive of ad vantage, or promote concord. He then proceeded to argon- agaiu-t the clauses to I . golaie the intercourse of prisons in holy °ideas with the see of [tone. The outline of the Mimesis of the English and itie Irish Catholics were not t.9:delly the sank. 110 declared that the Irish Catholic clergymen were a ilio•t useful and respeetairle body—it most injudicious to pars 11111.11 resttaining clauses tregat timg them. It was degrading them in the eyes of their our tlurka. Was that judicious? He knew not him such VhillSt, could get into this bill. The clergy of the Catholics w. le a must important body ; besides the hum( 'ohs plirsa, there wile four archbishops, and 2ti bishops. What hope ut a happy result could be antici palrd room degrading a body in the eyes of then Murk, and that, lie maim:lined, was the etr'et of the clauses He denied ghat the Jesuits were established in England ou I; eland; ihiy %CI e uu reiy permitted fur the instroction of youth. The above observations created considerable coot ersa. thou, in %bleb Lurd Castlelleat:li, Dr. Philluunre, 31:. 31. Fitzgerald, 11l --r. 1 ! Sii Gem ge Hill, Mr. lt. Nlartiii, &e. took part ; but 11,0 111111101.11 Mil, slit Wet) of amendment. 'I . lie house thesauri* eventually went into the committee. to ruustder tire tetuatuing clauses or tile consolidated hill. Several of Ilse clanger of th'. Lill were agreed to with out amendment, and Wheat' rut.nteutialty atlopteu, with some vet hal alt, rations. In the clause rimitis ing a previous residence acme yea' in Ireimid, to pliant') a triest to t.,ke on himself the eet he stasticai lithrirmis, au amendment teat inured to make it three ya.us, ttnn•h n as adopted. On the elathw rt t..tivc In the nomination of bishops, Lind CAITLEItEM:Ii proposed, that a huttee of °tie month Nitould be gl\ell to the Sects Idly of Mate, by lite pet•uu intended to ur numit.aied, ut hn intrudeduuuuua t'on, and 14.4 hr s6..uid uw II:III:1St hie lUlieliOnt, till a n,••nth at RI 1.0311111., . This ameomu.sii, inter some drimitory coombation, was oduried. The other clan'es %tele a grtell to; and Mr. ELLIS, theta; to he contodered this bill, as far a.. it M.lB CUllNit:esci as A protection 10 14 . 100, ax a 5u1,4,1 humbug, politica, at, ass assnitsitatent, ass additional cl,,ts , at:tutting Calbulic Fiesta 111 W beat* in liantent. Alter ' , ow cot: veisation the clause was adopted. The lonise I'e:oohed, road lite tristort WIS us di teal to be reeeteell to-mut t.‘‘ The other wv re disposed of, and the boo. , adjuurn s ed at tot It.. Wei, k. '1111: It 511 A T. MARCH 29. Petitions fr.'m 31ili Owncrsw A.alute. X and Norf,.ll:, : for the lam:maim] of a small duty on the importation of were press '• Mr. MEN lost vontd hi, motion respecting the A,ri cultural lloree Tax till Apra. 5. 31r. lit/1i HOUSE prc,cn.a t a petition from , i7lt) • mplaiumg of the bj.u,; ti ei ...wt.:tined by the urtrutit.c.tun ut Afti...-_ THE NATIONAL REGISTER the Lithograpliic Press, am praVblit the House to adopt some measure to telpiness stieh iiractice. Mr. !Whirler! said, li4 could not support such petition; he thought the petitioners had teloptsd the wrong course to obtain redress; but is had deemed it his duty to present in—Teti:ion read, and ordered to lie on the t a bl e . Petitions were presented from Bristol and Liverpool, against the corn avenues* bill. Mr. SYli LS observed, that individuals on the faith of the existirg law. had imported 7(10,0(X) quarters of corn, at an ex • poise of 1,500,0001. • sad it would be hard and unjust to make any change in the laws without stamring them from extensive lose. Mr. WESTEgV maintained, that the individuals in . question had no right to call on Parliament for peculiar protection ; the Parliament had to regard the genetul good, not the individual profit. Mr. RENNET (Wiltshire) denied that the object of this bill was to advance the average—that it was only to pi event frauds. Mr. BARING observed, that this petition was of importance. lie contended that the direct operation of this bill would be, to alter and advance the averages--that was the fact, and they would prove it in a moment at Mark-lane. The Bill would have the effect of advancing the average price and no other. Mr. LUSIIINGTON observed, that when his Right lion. Friend brought iiwward the Bill to-marrow, he would be able to show that the measure was only to protect frauds, not to advance the average prices. Petition ordered to lie on the table. Mr. PHILLIPS presented a petition flouts persons engaged in the timber trade, praying fur an equalisation of the timber dune , . MALT Tu.snc.—Mr. BARING presented a petition from maltsters, and victuallers of Taunton, complaining of the mode of making malt. Mr. LUSHINGTON replied, that information had been re quired from particular parties on the subject. Petition ordered to lie on the table. Bo NA PAR T F.;. Mr. HUME moved fur returns of the expense of detaining Banaparte at St. Helena. There were no regular returns to the House on this subject. lie did not mean to question the policy of keeping Bonaparte at St. Helena, but he did rot understand the advantage of our paying all these expenses single handed. Other Towels were interested in detaining Bonaparte yet they paid nothing. The expense was, judging front docu ments of 1819, at least 415,0001. annually at St. Helena. He concluded with moving for returns ac: ntlingly of agreements with the East India Company, ship kept at St. Helena, expenses in the country on account of Napoleon Bonaparte, &c. CHANCELLOR of the F.XCIII:QIIER had no ohj.2c. thin to the production of the accounts ; but it was right to st ate, that it would be sonic time before they could be made up. The expense, he admitted, had been very considerable. Mutton agreed to. Sir R. WILSON protested against the detcnsion of Bonaparte as most unjust and dishonourable. (A laugh.) Gentlemen might laugh if they plemed, but he spoke the language of every ge nerous and just man in Europe. (Furthest laughter.) Ile felt persuaded of this, and if ever h ranee became free, it would never submit to an individual who had occupied the French throne. thus to be detained. Bonaparte had volunetrily surrendered himself—he might have escaped by other ulcer's had he plemed. The vessel hail arrived safe in America - Mr. Mr. CHOKER denied that Bonaparte had voluntarily sur rendered himself. 'the night bethee hem:rendered himself, he held a Council of Safety ; and seeing no chalice of escape from our cruisers without battle, he had surrendered himself. Bona parte had been fitirly hunted into the toils. Sir R. WILSON retienked, that he had forborne to speak o dic pc:vomit treatment of Bonaparte, but sneer treatuient had been not only vexatious, but vulgar in the extreme. It was a stain upon the government of the country. Ile came to us es Themistoeles did to the !lonians ; lie expcc ed to have been treated with liberality ; but, instead of that, he had been cut off from all crenniunication with his family, Mason, &c. Mr. C. lIUTCIIINSON said lie could now speak out; and he condemned the conduct of this country towards Bonaparte.-- Besides the e England had countenanced the Continental Powers, who w ere pursuing tee steps of Bonaparte. The Holy Alliance, the union of despot., were detestable ; and Austria ought to be ashamed of the course she was pursuing. He thought it was most unwerrantabl in our Government detaining Bonaparte under such cireutuaances.—Accounts ordered. Mr. FIC NI F. MOW,: Mr some further accounts, speaking of the large sums that passed between the Government and the East India Co:lir:my, the former owing the latter upwards at 2,009,0001. lie did not complain parttettlarly of the expenditure now—but he complained of the expenecs not being laid before the house. He moved for accounts of the same debts to May last. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER had no objec tion to the production of these accounts. As to the allet1 ; :eil amounts due to the Company, he apprehended it was extremely doubtful sin which balance preponderated. Mr. HUM E hoped the accounts would prove this fact.— Accoiuds ordered. CATHOLIC BILL.—Eir J. NF.Wr()RT moved that report of the Catholic disabilities removal bill be presented. Mr. SMITH appear.d with the bill. Sir T. 1.1....rti Bill DG E said, he should not trespass on the House ; but lie could nut fuse the opportunity of expic...in,„• his continued disapp:obation of the Bills, wh:ch he now currairlered to he embodied in this report. Mr. U. Id:111'1'1N h.at no doubt that it would be equally sa tisfactory to ihc clergy and the laity. Mr. C. nuTctiiNsox gave the ino-t unqualified contra. diction 'tithe statement, that these bills would be sat/sta.:tory to the Catholic clergy. Mr. (711.0 ILE It proposed that there 1);.• introduced into the bill, power fur his Majesty to make provision Mr the Ronum Catholic clergy. Lord CASTI.EREAG II admitted the impoitance of the sub ject, and that it a:milted the considerati,•tr ~t• the house ) but lie thought it was advis.able to propose it. consideration now. it could not be fairly considered in such torn—it could not only operate to retard that important 'mast' T. the success of which was of to. moth cote critic:me; and lie (the hon. incrib:r) there fore would have no objection to withdraw the proposition lilt the present. Mr. CHOKER. after sonic conversation had taken piece, consented to withdraw hi. proposition. The report of the bill was atterwards agreed to; and the bill ordered to be read a third time on Monday meat, and to be pinned. Tinnen Dt-rirs.—The house hewing molved itself into a committee on the Timber Duties' Acts, Mr. 51'.1.1.1-ACE ruse for the purpose of submitth.g his pro mised re illations to reg ulate the colonial a, well as the foreign timber dutics; and in coing so he took a review the pi.coliar interests oldie colonial timber trade, and the motive that had led to its being favoured in the imposition of duties les, burden some than what affected the Foreign or Baltic timber trade, awl cor:Anted by movini the following resolution That it is the opinion of rids etantnittee, that the present duties and customs on timber biloulti cease and 4eteitiiine; and that she following duties should be ilicAftied in lieu theriof, viz. Norway timber tit 'l. l2s. 211 ' Per load — Swedish. it. 15...—Petcolurglii at tire 'arise stint—Alcuiel. It. 17s.—Ctmada. 1/. Xs. 841- After a few observt.tions from Lord Altlimpe, Mr. Marry a:t, Mr. Ricardo, and others, the resolution was agreed to.—Report to romps. Mourned. /FNMA Y, MARCIE 20. 'rite Stamp Duties DIN was oil liCleo to Dr cuulotitted vu 31aisday. Mi. ISLACKUUQN pretcuted a petiziou from toe 9 , 3 C'samber of Cousmetee, Manchester, against the Corn A%vrae.. Mr. F. (LORI' , NON oleierved, that the Corn Averages bill would nut 11.:ve the effect which some isaiiicirated. Ile contended that it %wild merely have the effect of in %lit ing that the averages should be correctly taken, that diet v would be greater itrulttetiou against the commission 01 Baud t Ihnl , in fact , the bill was really what it pnr poi led lo be. lie complained of the attack made on bins last night, for hie absence; he %mild have been preset': had lie lint understood that the petition was not to be pre sented till the second reading. Petition read, and ordered In lie nu the table, MI. F. H0111N!.+ON snored the s. cowl rc,iding of the Corn Averages hill, far the purpose of po.tpuning it, and it was postponed till April 9. TiNinEit BROGDEN presented the re port of tile committee on the Tiutb..i Acts Duties. Mr. WALLACE moved that the bill be re-committed on Wednesday iier.t. Sir M. W. RIDLEY said, lie should not oppose the mo. lion, but lie Wiped that acquiescence in such motion not be conerneil into a vprobation ut Dir esuln lions. He thought that the right hen. gentleman, Mr. Wallace's, seals. of duties boil nes it iak..ll too bight, and that 16e proposed arrangement via. calenlated to injure the interr.•ts whorl: it war menut lo correct l and lie hoped to be able to plow th it ► o rb was lime case, when lime sub jct.( again came before a committee. Itednri erilereii to b+• re-cool,cißrd NI Wednesday. 1)1.1.1•N( IS PILL —Md. R. ~,,, yeti Pec..ii.lri n.ling of toe bill for alioit nig persons eliavied wiili iittroces to be tterendril by counsel. He thin it pi oseetitoni were allowed counsel, he could Hot ace wily pli.o(tr3s hhutild out :11.0 have counsel. lor it was W.llBl a n d g umitileax to 64, that judges were always u( counsel for the pi i+uurr. Mr. J. NIACIN WS II siconil.ll the motion fur the se cond reatlingoliiie bill Sir J. MAZ:INTOSLI observed, that one of the benefi cial results of the revollition was the obsaiiiii g of counsel by the statrie of William, (or prisons acru•ed of treason. That was as a thield ugaiii4 rile power of Kovernntrat $ and if counsel site deemed beneficial there, bow could they be otherwise while counsel were 1144 to defend against prosecution supported by counsel. The defence of counsel could not endanger innocent men—it could only expose guilty men; and 0 urged it would bean rid. vantage to seem e the cuav it non of guilty persons. - . • 'file ATTORNEY-GEN VAAL opposed the hill. The ineouvrtitetice of the present system It td not been estm• Wished ; and he teas there against the desired change. Mr. it. M Alt tIN Trolled. The niOtiOli Uas then negatived without n division. llttertsit MusEust.—Mr. LENN A 1113 asked when the estimates, it ;ding the Kt dish Musenuit were to he brought lot vr.tril, as he should then have to stilton, some proptdtion. I tg:lttling the admi.sionnt viaitors tie was Alerituti, of ki.ow tug how litany applicattotta bad been posit d ; and it there were any objection 10 such mu -11011 he n fluid promise it oil 51ontlay. Sir C. LONG was nut Aware whether there wonlil be any objection to the motion, but he would prefer the uo• tier tieing given for Mow Notice entered c.c.s - dint:ly. SUPPLY.—Aar[.—The CHANCELLOR of the EL , CHEQUER mused, that the house go otto a committee at supply. Mr. HUME ro , e, and moved a series of resolutions, by way of amendment, of the expence of the staff, the colonies, ate. foe 1792 and 1820, from which me salsanciat were stated to be several thousands. in,ndraent negatived without a divis -- nn. Mr. HUME said, he had not pressed For the sense ef the house on the last resolutions, because errors in figures might warrant opposition ; but the next resolution, he thought, ought to be seriously considered by the house—it VIM to pledge . the house tog revision of the salaries of the several departments smog 179), they I4ing tattled, in consequence of the war, depreciation of the currency, Ace. and to bring them down to a more Just standard, now that we were returned to a tnetellic currency. Lord I'AI.AI EitsTos said, that this proposition had nothing to du kith the estimates—it was one of a general and sweeping 013:acta; and it ought to CO:IIC forward for separate and specific consideration. Besides the resolution a ffi rmed, that the country had returned to a metallic currency—when such was not the act. (A laugh and hear.) Mr. HARING thought the resolution was most properly proposed; it merely pledgol the bun .c to a revision of the salaris. Ile knew hot how those who voted again t the new malt duty. could honestly oppose this motion how they could withhold the mettas, and vote for an extravagant expenditure. The C l I ANCE 1.1.08 of the EXC I I 14: H could not think the house v. ould agree to tins swceputg rLaGiuuun. Mr. T. W I I.SON could not support the rosolo,ion. A motion was made for the tpealver leaving the Chair, which was ultimately carried. The Speaker having quitted the chair, the house went into a committee. . Lord I'AL F.:IIST. r.%1 proposed a vote of 117,0001. for the stall Alr. HUMP, 'imposed as an amenlnent, that the term should be 8(1,0001. but he afterwards withdrew that atneadment, and woeuseil 90,0001. Upon this amerolinent the cotr.mittee divided, and the numbers were, for the amendment 6l—For the original motion 116--. 31tijority 53 agaitnt the anicmlnient. On the resolution fur granting the sum of 25,3821. 13s. 1041. fur the Stilt of Ireland, 11. PAR NELL proposed to te..hice the grant to 40,4791. After mom discussion the gallery was ck.ired for a The numbers were, frr the original sum, 140—For the amends mean, 43-31kiolity in favour of the original gtant 87. A :vc.ind divi.iiou took place - whilst we were excluded, on a motion for reducing the iteia 30001, but this was albJ the numbers btiug, for toe amendment 66—aeinst it 13i-- Alt jority 68. On the item for granting the sum of 14,07t1. for the office of Cosnmander i n Chief, Mr; /1U E said, in 1791, tha espcnre of this offi..e was 4,0001. —in 1807, it was 7. tool.—now it waS limit& He wouid pro. pug, to reduce it to Pc...e.Sfil. the 611111 ,•Tanted in MI6. After a fete ohsersations from Lord l'alinerston, tile gallery wits cleared fur a division, but no division took p:ace. Serera.l other Illation. tor reductiva w, re made by .Vr. Hume, but they were negintvial without dist,t)ll4, and the original re .0. lie ions being agr...ed to, the howe resoluta. the 11.:% - mg retorted progress, the galler, was again cleared; when a tl.‘ triton tocis Om:. and the numbers were—For receiving the report Oa .`.Sunday—Ayes, Y3—Noes, Yo—.%lgjority, 3. • Dr. LUSIIING'f ON brought up the bill for exe/udins par sons hoithos judicial altuati , n , in Delano troth .tittag to tha Douse of Commons. Read a first tithe. .4 - he otter orders 01 the cuy sere 1.1100 disposed of, ssid.shis Louse aujou:Lod. J .