Star. — London, England, 1823-05-01 00:00:00

•: • ' * - 77, 1 11, writ •11 294 1 ' PROCSEptIOS. DOUSE OF LORDS, APRII. :so. Levi CRA1:I1001 NE and others came to the bar, when be in fanned their Lordships that the House of Commons had, in an. tact to the message of yeaterd. , y, sent to this House a copy of the of the Select Committee respecting the sale of Game. je .Cr i . t S. Rice and others brirught up the Ireland Charitable Loan Sodeliet 1.1111,-.vhich was afterwards read a first time. Mr. S. Wormer and others brought up a cupy of the Report of the Committee of the Commons with respect to the Local tination of the City of Limerick ; which, upon the Motion of e Earl of 11.3‘,ItPOOL (who remarked that the subject of Local Taxation was in itself of moth importance to the Public at large),- was ordeied to be printed for their Lordships' use. , Upon the motion of the Earl of Sitatenveuer, their Lordships went into a Committee on the Warehousing Bill, w hich was re- ported with sonw amendments; also on the Divisions of Court ties lrill, and the Profane Swearing Acts Amendment DM, both of which were reported without any amendments. The different Bills brought up yesterday from the COMINGS were respectively read a second time. Lord CAWDOR moved for some additional Returns with regard to the administration of Justice in the Principality of Wairs, to which he under:mod there existed nes opposition ; and accordingly. were agreed to. lie then gave notice, that on Tuesday next he intended to males some motion in connee . 'nun with the Report of the other House upon the administra tion of justice in Wales, and the proposed new Courts.—Ad journed till to-morrow. DOUSE OF COMMONS. - A Petition was presented from certain Linen Dealers in Ar magh, praying fur a Duty on Foreign Yarn. Sir GEORGE ROB I NSO N presented a Petition from the Boot and Shoe-makers and Curriers of Northampton, praying fad a reduction of the T•+r on Leather, and to be disencumbered elite restrictions attending it 3 collection, those being more op. prelusive than the tax itself.—Ordered to be printed. Ou the motion of Mr. Not.a N, the further consideration of the • Pmr Laws' Amendment Bill was deferred till the 9th May. The Irish CountyTreasurets' Bill was deferred till Friday next, or the motion of Sir Joue N twroar. Lord F. OSBORNE presented a Petition from certain In habitants of Chatteris, in the Isle of Ely, praying the total abo lition of the Slav i y Trade.—Laid on the table. Mr. 3. RICE, on behalf of one of the Hon. Alembers for Westminster, moved for an accouut of the persons 'composing the Common Coined, particularly those of the Guild of Mer chants; a copy of the Proclamation forbidding the decoration of the statue of King William ; and also that the Town Clerk of Dublin do attend with the same.—Ordered for Frldayse'nnight. Colonel WOOD postponed his motion relative to the l'our Laws to the .29th of May. A Petition was presented from Dartmouth, praying for a re peal of the Coal Duties.—Laid on the table. On the Motion of Mr. HOME, a Retort) was ordered to be hid on the table of all Promotions an the Navy aid Marines, front the lst January 1922 to Ist January 1823; of the *uber of Officers now in service,distioguishing their several ranks, ands, the number retired ; the promotions on foreign stations ; together with a Return of first Commissions granted in the Royal Marines. Mr. MARTIN (of Galway) moved fon leave to bring its a RI to reclaim Waste Lands in Ireland. One object he had Its view was to ;ire employment to the labouring poor. 31r. GOULBL'RN said it was his intention, in the course of the Session, to propose a meistire which would have *mkt ob ject the draining of 119 g. in Ireland. He was ant aware that' hie lion. Friend had any intention of introducing such a 11l es this. If it was not likely to Interfere with the plan be meant to propose, be should not oppose x. Jr. MARTIN said, he .bad r.o objection to withchatv the notice If his Right Ilontsurahle Friend (Mr. Gatalbuin) thought it woold interfere with_the measure he had *contemplation. He-had seen the B:11 his Rigby Hon. Friend meant tuiutroduce, and he thought it would be highly beneficial. It teas drawn up by as able a man as any perhaps in the empire. —Leave given. The Order of the day being read for the House going into a ' Committee of Supply for the purpose of postponing it, . Mr. HUhIE wished to know whether it was' the intention of the Chancellor of the Exchequer to renew the Committee of Accounts, as had.been proposed last Session ? The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said, he did not mean to propose the re-appointment of the Committee this &Won. Ile did not say that the mode of keeping the public resents did net admit of improvement; but it was better that any proposition with a view to that object should ptoceed from Government. Ile should endeavour to find out a better mode himself; and if he did not succeed, he should then .submit the natter to a Cesnuiittee. • The Report of the Irish Miscellaneous Services was received, ad the Resolutions agreed to. The Capture of Slaves Hill went through a Committee. The Report was ordered to be received on Friday. . . The Report Gf Miscellaneous Services &c Supply was veolived.. After a few observations from Mr. W. Satins and Mr: Hese; the Resolutions were agreed to. The Lords' Amendments to the Merchant Vessels Apprentices were agreed to. FLOGGING. Mr. G. BENNET rose, pursuant to notice, to move for leave to bring in a Bill to prevent Punishment by slogging. He did not wish to see crime go unpo. Dished, but it was high time we got rid of the only remains of a bat barous system of punishment, neither useful nor exemplary in its infliction. There was a reformatory power in hard labour which had the effect of punishnaent, besides giving, the suffering party a habit of industry. The whipping of.females 'as repealed and got rid of, a sacritice made to the Rood. sense and feeling of the country. Should we then, he would ask, still cling to this punishment in tee other sex ? His decided opinion was, it should he abolished. It was more, it was a positive evil.— lt "as a favourite thing to say, it was well to whip .m 1 incorrigible plough-boy; but he thought such a puisliment would only tend to make him worse. This blot upon our administration of justice should uioed away as speedily as possible. Within the last six years, nearly seven thousand persons had been flogged, to the disgrace of the age in which we Ijre. The 20il1 of Geo. 11. was an impediment in his Way ; that Act giving to Nlagistrates a power of dicting " correcsion"— that correction being inter- Pined to mean ‘• whipping." The Honourable Mem ber concluded by moving for leave to bring in a Bill, hating the objects he had just stated. .Ir. CUR WEN seconded the motion. Mr. Alderman G. SMITH thought the Bill, if car .ned, would Dot lead" to all the good expected by it 11001 the Honourable Member (Mr. Bennet). flu ArrORYFY•GENERAL thought whipping v'Pilld prove a very salutary punishment in many 4 . 1 " and should not be swept away altogether.- I'ht atject of the Honourable Member was to that effect, and he must therefore oppose it. • Me. LENNARD thought, if the Honourablestod , Learned Gentlem an had not heard the arguments , tlie Bill, that he should at least have stated his reason s for now opposing it. The abolition of this punishment on females hid not tended to increase Frime. I;nt there Was one azstuntai still stronger 111 its support—namely, Liza it was altogether an qui in its Openit:oll. • : • •. • . . . !kr-- c''-•'..... r " Cs f J . 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Tiliftsiver,' the principle of the pilihtfccialtitution gave'to the 'Crown the right I to, ma,kg:peacetsr war :it wavnot forlliaistirls, therm for!, tft,flitike any declaration : their dirty was so ad vise Ostrow" on the subjeCt,'and afterwards to sub- Mit it for the approbation or tenure of Parliament. ffielafigtiL4k of atillonourable Member* who dif= fered troni him had been•used k Eirtlitethat 2/ third csioriel,u4d been open to Mhtisters.• ThOse Honour.: ahli pn*Riiii had not; indreskai4 4 thirkve ought to huve dechkred war, but that.stretigerlanguitei. of *fiat was termed 4' a mare dignified line ofleondoet,r oqght to have been 'adopted. • Iftedro4hPrnaintaiis, that fht.ough6itt the : whole cool -s! . .Orthe rietherations; wirethee he looked to thelariguirge of the to NOble SiCretaiy. of. State fot Foreign Affair v when the wtb4 . jest of-the later/a -epee of fot•eigif Powers *the inter] dal affairs of Spain Was fijit brodg h t under consider ation,. whither he 'considered'ilie language of the Duke of Wellington at'irerCona, 'Whether he re arded that Of M. de Chateddbriand and of M. de .Villele, it was distinctly stated that no inteiferenCe in the internal arias of Spain was justifiable. When Tie stateethose opinions, he must be allowed to add that the conduct °treat nations was governed by things, ; and not by words. Every opportunity had been 'seized by Ministers to urge those opinions. it ought do be allowed that that preference for amity,sOmach found fault with, was becoming the character of a country which assumed the character of a media , ' r, a country uhich sought to preserve the peace of Eu 'tope, than more decided language, or properly speak ing, a tone of menace --( Hear, hear).—lf we had used the strong language recommended by the Honourable Baronet who spoke last.night, what would have been the consequence? Why, that Honourable Gentlemen opposite would have a right to accuse Ministers of 'having precluded themselves from the•possibilify of 'Voiding war should their mediation fail: tharvehad pledged ourselves to support Spain With our arms; sand then, should we not have had recourse to arms, we should have been accused of having betrayed Eng land by using threats which we did not intend, nor Were prepared tnetecute ; and that we had deceived Spain by encouraging her to resistance in expressing Our determination to support her, and then failing to do so. The remonstrances and the argnments which .had been used at Verona and 'Paris bY the. Duke . of Wellington, and otherwise advanced Wy Ministers, aving failed to preserve the tranquillity of 'Europe, ..did not think that menaces would ; have been at vitt with better effect. - Of the invasion of Spain irt, ' ble disc pr e cnred as sincesiciYisailY I,l,Onour- Ca . ' • ' '• preceded Men. Me ernstutted ill weftl► censure which bad been paised:npeni the Cols- Oct.isii France, both by the Honourable Gentlerniiii dpnosite an d his own Honourable Colleagues .: During the Whole . aurae of his Parliainentary life he had op prod the - progress of ,Jacobinisin, the ipreaditig• of 4acabinical doctrines, and the objects of Jactibinical irlots'. If he had held that the acts • of laitainiiral ranee ought to be opposed in the heightof its rkso utionary career—if he had eqyally held that similar Intentions of Bonaparte opght to be resisted; so would •heritlso maintain that views and efforts of the same nature' Ought to be contended against, thotigh•under taken' by a Bourbon Government—(Hen . t, hear). — Such a tone as that recommended by the Honour able Member would have been more likely , to pro- I <Wee irritation than conciliation. He was ready to admit' that the invasion of Spain by France would justify tfiniiters , m' declaring war z —(Hear, hear) — provided the interrits of our own country demanded such is hostile extertioni—'(Hier)—but lie maintained fit ito.sneh - case existed in the present instance.— tthecomttioniensent':or flit contest with France, ' inthad, lititleisittleciared hitsckade Of the ports" its Siatith Ameriean'Colonies,' , eipturesf many of ourviershisats' shilis, and done other acts that would have fully wartantetithis country in declaring war against her. Na " I , therefore, feel ourselves obliged to gel to`war Witt France on 'account of Spain under those circumstances? On the contrary, we had in • - . -. , . . , ... . . . Mi. VANSONl)lC:iig il t thei.iintkisisinene of •vrilt . }sing, thpngh Unpleasant in the . iftflietinti;.‘tas'stM' calculatedto tar Or fiOrn crime.. He shoul d , there- . fore, oispcise the il, and at this Stage h i eshould take • - . the sense of the uise. 1 • Mr. 110BHO1;TS §aitJ,,the:fiOnc;itrable MeMbe who had just spoken was tick; ip ;fie flume when Ms Honourable Friend had introdtscuiLihe subject: He knew of no lar . by which jail regulation could be enforced by the Magistrate by whipping.' It, was: a punishment iiiiiiiterf by . .4onrt. Ttiq privacy "Of Whipping rendered it. inefficacious, and .contrary.to the spirit of English law. If' Whipping were to be continued for the sake of etattifile, it shotild beptiblie. IF, the decencY of females Was to'b r e respected, .so should the manliness of, the (ether sex. Ills , system of whipping produced the worst effecti,•particularly on board ships. He remembered:once sailing in I King's ship, in . which t h e Captain could not sleep without a guard of :Alien; avid tibesi he (Afr,flob house) asked the reason, - he was told thatnevery man in the ship had been so ofttn•floggeil;. Oat be could not sleep in safety without such a precaution. - De cency and manliness required the abolition of such a barbarous punishment. Mr. N. CALVERT thought the punishment re quired modificatiOn, but was not friendly to its total abolition. If it had been so, many Gentlemen in this House would not probably have felt that self-respect now, which its infliction was stated to take away. Mr. S. BOURNE was friendly to a partial change in chit; punishment, but not to its total abolition.— In many cases of young-and hardened offenders,'he thought such a - punishment very efficacious. Few in stances of abuse were traced to - the Magistrates in its infliction; and he believed many persons were saved horn the gallows, by their first chastisement being of this description. Mr. JOHN SMITH supported the motion, and returned his hearty thanks to his Honourable Friend for having introduced a Bill so humane in itself, and so creditable to hii feelings. ~ Mr. H. SErMNER said, be felt it necessary to sug- • gert the propriety of inserting an exception, petintt ting the correction of boys under eighteen years of age, as a rnctte effectual mode of punishing juve- • nile offenders. . . Sir I. COFFIN, with reference to the assertion of the Honourable Member for Westminster, called •on him to denounce by name the Captain 'hi had 'al luded to, so that be might no longerreasein a dis-- • grace to his profession....? . • ,: : •'?•;... , 1 . • ' Mr. Hosnousa explained; es disitli.ll.C.eamisity. .),ir 341HEYON disapproved of flogging{ been hi public :schools. Mr..PEF4 4 :was no friend to *if titsteno4ollulelt ment at .5C110:44, but the c.ase sisos,dilfiwent-oldisligte discipline requirecl , WilhOUlPlPHD•Lbalis -!.. . _.....ishiflogila He s ho uld prefer moderate etwponti perairelltelsealW/Pallt respect to such- offenders, to solitary,- confotealKlnti which he thought more likely-than whipping sedartiole their spirit and render them useless to sor.set.p • The punishment of whippiiig, by the Nagistvatesiu Dor chester Gaol had only taken place once,io two years, on a boy of fifteen years.of age, wholiad committed four robberies on his fellow prisoners within. a week. The prisoner came to.the jail with a most reprobate character, and he would ask, how was it, possibJe to coerce such an offender as t h at bitt_by aeterity of this description? • , • 1/1• DE.LUSHINGTON reprobated all public exhilsi• tions of this nature as disgusting to human nature, and -could not permit offenders to be pu.njsliecl Pi;- vately at the pleasure or caprice of any partial or eai. asperated gaoler.- . , . Mr. Alderman SMITH explained. . ..., ~. Mr. Alderman WOOD said the punishment was * ways inflicted in the presenceof the Sheriff ot Valisr-, Sheriff, when administered witlgts the walls e(*.jeitt An Hon. MIMS= said, that it was, from his out feeling and experience, impossible that Any such oc 7 , curtences should have taken place on boertlitis 1 1 / 4 1;•.., jesty's ships, without hating called forth fhe'displeal sine of that most honourable class - of Officers,.aud eo l , rut ing his degradation from his rank by theAdmirelty. After a few observations from Mr. H. potation and Sir T. BA It IN% . Mr. R. MARTIN considered there, were. Cases in which the continuance of this punishment might still be desirable, although he felt the improirements sug gested by the Bill were sufficient to induce him to support the bringing in of' the Bill. ' • Mr. ESTCOURT supported the punishment by whipping as indispensable to prison discipline, froth his own personal experience as a Magistrate. . Mr. GURNEY supported the Morton. - , . Mr. Alderman THOMPSON thought it% salutary mode of punishment if administered with cliscretien. Mr. BENNET replied. If the House: wts indis posed to receive his motion, still he shouldihaie the pleasure of reflecting- that his present efforts had laid the foundation of the future success of the measure. The House then divided— . • , deed felt onrselvet justified in continuing , to remon strate; for the interests of our own country did not demand.that we should have recourse to arms. Such were .the opinions of Ministers, and such had been also the opinions of the greatest Statesmen who had ever sat in that House, whether they had or had not: formed pail of the Administration of the country, such as the present was the case of Holladd in 1786; and the con i luct of Ministers *on the present occasion was fully justified and borne out by the opinions of those two great rivals, Mr.'Poz and. Mr. Pitt.. They' agreed in this, that we should not have•been justified. in going to war ; *'r we shoold looic• at each party, and ascertain what part in the contest, if-any ; it would be more palpably. our interest to take, — The Right - Hon. Gentleman here .teal the declared opinions of Mr: Fox and Mr. Burke oo that occasion; in which both these Statesmen agreed, that we had no business to. embarrass ourselves with any, other :consideration than that which would be muse likely to be of advantage to ourselves. Similar to that w i ts thetaitgasge of Lord Grey in the Olit Asict He did not feel it necessary fostate those artomeuts of the Nable - 14ard,ot any length ; iiseiss s suffiCient up. state, thaj:tboy were directed.pgainst, our •affording' aritted sksottall i ce to theXp,a gkards ! All thole anther sitiet na4itto . tedents wire eq.uallz... .. apiliCable ; to tiiel present Case.- The . rinse' ', S p an wa :14 jest as itilTeSc, 'Great natianl could not act upon priociples oCrointi*lgetiefiisity. 1971 diridualstnight irciA natipits-ctiidtk4sist. Vqf tiono9rabletentlfinal.(l4k l . - R , .hFrts9h) hid,.fstpjp:, mended an ec645/I)Kat nl4fr6l: . MK the naf tire Or 'ver—..it`nisis.noj to,ll)e'Op'e4ltoss49, entered into Wiil,out • a ''<feterassolu We it, sj Pcssi 6l !) to a ii4 s i4 V -41 i 4-n.4111 41i/* i° 04 44 .4 1 1 A • 1 4. • goddess I)*I/9;4w* ewes.* feas'ale to 60.' flirtid with' --( e of , islagh);—Lrfbere- was=* Effiltnish - proVeib cf which he begged le ave t o remind thellolise."4lYiaw, not the siviard - withottt reasonf. nor • sheithli withiost . satisfactiop." It would tie impossible tOlfarecariied on such a: war RI '' - di4c . reContmende,l, by the lion. reentlettieti. We t4eVerCkis i lsi Ot () Willi to go to war Without pAisig in itap#psy. Wh at wou ld have bieOthei em Wect ofi naval war carried on against France? We it4likie was true,,c r nXh th e rev i v i ng corporeal* of that -elosu*n—we milt; .)a4v 4 e ; caesed the , dettriat dots of a tVW intli - Viduals:-we might take possession bf a sugar kind or two, East veil ; were not obj ects Se srltWereir 13i itain ought 'to. conjetid:-(1-fear s , .iseer).44f;we kvere to believe ihat 'Which' some Hon., pentle.nien asserted' that 4 *mo l l 'be iniobssible : tffe, I - IrtiineetO hold possessidi:bi t *aitt—that the..con.,, !Oast of .thbi cliont4 . was' IsurelF v hi-O.:nary --..i0 .. case, ossc • assistance was ,perfectly. ' unn*essarj. If; ranee ihodld be tise i tined to rail in her,presei st.as i n . --' forMeiattempti;upciti SPain—if if 'was - true that : 1 iseriotd% 4101e-impossible' Or the:Fteach,...io hold , possession of agreater poteion of that toiletry tEan that actuall''occuPietl bj Nei. a,riny—and that. al. i er thongh the Spaniards migheysit;beable to meet thei r enemies ih general engeriteiiti, still that they Were equally well disposed 1 4r - capable of annihilating them now by deskltOtaf.fare.ai they - had in their , former contests, the at med , ,aid of - this, otamery was quite uncalled for. It was well said that to the same result we must come at laic; that 'although we were not now at war, no doubt we should in..it short period be compelled to take op, arms; now it re mained to 'be proved, t hi t whenever France should choose to go to war, we must necessifrify be coma tied. It was said, that danger might possibly arise to us from the hostile proceedings of France, but were'we s . from the mere app►ehetiiiotr of such danger, to fly-to arms, and plunge- into•war ? " It was els° said, that having subjugated Spain, POrtugal would next be attacked by the French. 'To that he would reply, when that attack should be made upon our Ally would be our time to take up arms. We had pro tected Pcirtngaragaiait Pratte' atal epain, even when the former could Wield the' whole power of - Spain ; but in order to do tharat present, she Must have pos. session of the minds of its p6ntilation; as well as of ' the country itself. ...If :war was ieevifable, w . 4 were i hound - to enter into it with vigour. He was eonyinted, whenever it- Should be:deemed necesXate, the it wonld be fotMcrwerl'iad the full mean s rile:in/41g it .. on ; but Minister s w ould ill discharge their duty to the country, if tbey should plena it into übnecessary - - war.' At; Hon: Member (Mr. Hobhouse) lied said, , tharthls•COnntrywould have .been ready to: Sll prtll t a ' War,-irit wits a War of the people of Europe against ise - Kiirgst-..bsi for one begged to express his .. !lifFsting . frigel , such an assertion, as inteh*deelaratron wo u ld bletohadvo parallel but its that of the "'renal Can. veotion - in 1792—a declaration which every thinking, , s 'every hoeourable-M an must reprobate. Such a'dc 411ration would bf itself be an act similar ta that ... L4gamst which the licm.Mernber argued, for it would , tan i i ntetferente - in: the internal Albs of ore!). . r ntry n buropes ': He eras ceikvinced the country would be eqbally fetiay'eiyudmit that we ; had' ackbu-. :Weir to interfere' for ther ; 'anti pistil: It tOglit, *be: proved that on r s a f ety was nell ti be terfnircinifset We should not be justified id going to Wax, . We had heard of " the cursed reonarchicel ptiaciple," and that too in a country whose Constitution-was monar chical; aswl'it was well that it was so, for - othe rte. narchical portion of'that • ConstitutiOn fd'lp? believe was due' the support that had biea 'tilFcii4ed . to liberty 'ca.; greater degree thah bjany other form of Giiverament for so lorig.a, period. There was no despotism 'so great' or so:g!iedipg , al that eserei s ed by the manv—liy the rulingpow er in a Republic. lithe Hon. Gentleman intended to apply the term to an absolute Government, then would his own obser vations on it not applp.7-.[Mr.-flontianas—As ex pounded by those tyrahts themselves.3--Mr: Wynir proceeded Then the Otsse;:vitionn he had - made did not apply. Bdt'uloin the same piintiple he regretted the language that had been' used with respect to many States of Europa. He did not-stand there to defend the conduct of Foreiop.POtentatei; but he could not see the policy of that violent abase of. • them in which some Hon. Gentlemen had.indulged. Undoubtedly it was a privilege Of:Hon. Gentlemen to use any language which might appear necessary to them; but in that very circumstance he - thought would be found a check upon their too freely avail. ing themselves of it. It etrtainly was no proof of manliness to say that ;- thick then -- - 1 Such of Europe, being resorted the cooducr tks the Kir man ; King 'lll (The: from o) Fur leave being given - - 57. . Against it > - - - 76 i Majority - The Bill was consequently thrown oat. ; • . -- • _,__. .I ADJOURNED DEBATE ON THE LATE via- :i GOCIAIIONB. The Order of the Day was read for resuming the Adjourned Debate on the lateVegociatioos. The SPEAKER having put the question, Mr. WYNN rose, and contended that there was no intermediate 'course for Ministers to have folloWed between peace and war. The litniourible:MeMber ifor Westminster (Mr.llobhouse), in his speech onthe first night of the debate r had asserted that his . 19,.1- ifs btinisters ought to have stated to the Fr . - Govet ument, after the opening of the ch f logseralby, ibe King,Of France, that if 'trance shouisl.tolgtuf 'to follow up her hostile declaration . Witli i tviy4,4l, Spain, they (Ministers) would immediate)/ mbintt the w hole of the documents co TeCte.l will' tpe sub ject to Politutit4it fOr its opinion,. iMkr 414 90.: 1 - • .._ _.. - . ness to say th a t i n w hi c h t h ere was no denger. 'language was ealcriau•d to disturb the prime; rope, and he, for one, could not apfithi . 4.o(ieth resorted to. He felt as little tissstie l 14404 niduct of the t r e nc li.Goeernmf lit' ,PfcAs • King 'of Spain,' from' 1814. to 47, for' he saa , in the perifEniarthif f the • 'no reason for oxeithrowi*:**4o4Alitity:._.• Ri g ht Hon. Gentlematn• hirt.,4***o. i fiatiat d . oil e btiLe'D . U'ke oT .*,ellirok, ' 4j1;1? li% i" iS . III I "su pp‘ort of the ittglaht:43' " iia-7 as . 4 steed vthy ive bad leolo,t - . , ,fa c tion itpies • receiited' . fropt .Spilhs, : • , .. 1 11. 4- etterest nediatiOn iti . :kee favon'r ? ..,...stieh :,filui ate It Governrpefit vogiltivetlieadil , .9,Eijusiih- ii ka Ti 4 "iil,l4 . teli ot thl t s)pistr w th:l3 . of ..yeirs' rerekiiag .trijur'its'a . ' -0 - andr4l . l IA as_ refute to * - -OpeCk Wilk *gfe , i sa. 7 . ,i.... tie ihilithi pilA 4 6 4 4 4 :4 l l l `;'#‘o ..itood 0 .. 'frfle systetai tkrr 341*: , *ft trlt'Ots rfalriniliorltititihl f . vica."'_ ; 4 7 41, , ;144:e4 Ott out' oiligi Vn. tii i. 0 - v9K _I .Ice . 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