Star. — London, England, 1821-09-01 00:00:00

Hyde Park-corner dining part of the business. I saw the Procession enter the Park, or at least I saw the hearse, and the carriages behind it, enter. Ido not know by whom it was turned into th&Park. My first order was to conduct the funeral by the New road. That order was not c ountermanded, but I re ceived a fresh order in consequence of the change in the route of the Procession. From whom did you receive that fresh order ? My orders were private, and 1 submit that I ought not to be called upon to divulge them. Mr. Blakie (a Juror). —You are sworn to tell the whole truth. Mr. ADOLPHUS.—But that oath is qualified, that he must not say anything to criminate himself. CORONIR.—If the Gentleman thinks it an injury to himself, I don't think he ought to be called upon td speak. Mr. Blakie said the witness ought to give his rea son for concealing these orders. Mr. Brown.—Was the second order verbal or in writing ?—Both verbal and written. Was that second order only with regard to chang ing the route of the Procession ?-1 do not wish to give unnecessary trouble, but I submit that I ought not to tell my private orders. A Juror said, that under these circumstances, they would not press the question ; but a note should be made that it was not answered. Did you hear the Riot Act read ?—I did not. How far did you go with the Procession ?—lnto the Edgeware-road as far as King-street. I had joined it in the Park. What happened in Oxford road, after the Proces sion passed through the Park ?-1 bad been assailed with brickbats and stones for a considerable time, previously, but at Cumberland-gate the attack was so violent, I wondered the men could keep upon their horses. From the moment of our arriving at the gate the lives of the men were in constant and inces sant danger. Examined by Mr. Blakie.—l did not hear the Riot Act read, either in Piccadilly or Oxford-street. By whose orders did the firing commence 7 As I commanded the party, it may be presumed that if any orders were given, they were given by me ; but I do not feel bound to tell whether any orders were given or not. A Juror.—May we then presume that no orders were given to fire ? Mr. ADOLPIIUS.—You appear to misunderstand the Gentleman. He will not answer, because it may tend to criminate himself. But the inference you draw by no means follows. He declines to answer the question. Do you, in fact, know whether any orders were given ?-11the other question tended to criminate, so does this too. I decline answering'it. Was there any firing by the soldiers till you came up ?—None. Were you before the hearse ?—I got before it in the Park. Were the gates open or shut when you came up ? They were shut; I made one attempt to open them, and failed ; 1 then made a greater exertion, and with difficulty succeeded. In doing so, did you have any assistance from Lieutenant Gore's squadron ?—They were at the other side of the gate ; they might have assisted with out my knowledge. There was a great struggle about the gate. You were in regimentals ?-1 was. With your helmet on ?—Yes. And cloak P—No ; I had nut my cloak. In answer to the question of another Juror, the witness said—My first order was to go to Kensington to assist the Civil Power in conducting the Procession through the Pink into the 11,1,2,eware-road, which was the prescribed route, from which it had been forced by the mob. Mr. Brown.—Did you yonrself see it forced ?—I am not now speaking of the fact ; I only speak of my orders ; my orders told inc it had been turned at Kensington. Where did you first join them ?—At Kensington. Did you immediately say to Sir Robert Baker, that you came in consequence of a letter addressed to your Commander ?-1 told Sir Robert Baker I was come to assist him, and was ready to attend to any orders he might give me. Mr. ADOLPHUS here complained that a person had been conversing with one of the Jury. The CORONER ordered this - person to leave the room, Witness, in answer to Mr. Brown.—T communi cated to Sir Robert Baker that I came to assist him. But you say you received counter-orders. Did you communicate them to Sir Robert Baker ?—My words were, that I received other orders , not counter orders. I decline speaking of these orders. Mr. Blakie.—You said you had orders to assist the Civil Power, but that you received other orders, • which you would not tell us. I want now to ask you, had you orders to act against the Civil Power? —Sir, I think that question is calculated to bring the High Authorities from which I received the orders into contempt. What ! to act against the Civil Magistrate ? What I meant to ask was, if the Magistrate chose, to turn the Procession another way, would you feel authorised to go with it, or would you, by adhering rigidly to your orders, act in some measure against the Civil Magistrate ? Of these second orders I de cline to speak. I certainly would not act against the Magistrate. Did you turn the Procession into the Park ?—No; when I saw the Procession in the Park, presuming that Sir Robert Baker was with it, I ordered my squadron to follow it. Mr. Brown.—l would not put an improper ques tion ; but I ask again, was it by your orders the Procession was turned through the Park ?—No, it was not. Did you not understand that Sir Robert Baker had the supreme command there?—l saw no Magistrate there, whom I knew, but Sir It. Baker. Did you consider you had a right to act without the Magistrate?—You again touch upon the private orders 1 received. Mr. Blakie.—We have been here inquiring of se veral persons, but cannot get the names of the men ' that were with Lieut. Gore on the 14th: how is that? I can explain that. The men are called in numbers from the troops, which are lettered; they are not called by names. ~ . Could you tell us the readiest way of getting the' names ?—I cannot assist you. , You will not ?—You may p ut whatever construc tion you please upon it. Will Captain Oakes say who is the fittest person to apply to for this purpose?—The orderly corporal, I should think. • Does he keep a roll ?--He does. Is it filed or signed ?--I think not. How can you get at these names ?—I do not think it is possible. There is no roster kept of the men ; there is one of the Officers. Were you limited as to time P—No ; I would have staid as long as Sir It. Baker thought proper. Sir It. Baker told me of his intention of going into the City. If Sir R. Baker told me he did not want me, I should return, or should have staid for any length of time that he did want me. Examined by Mr. Blakie.—Sir R. Baker told me of his intention that the Procession should pass through the City ; but as that intention did not accord with the orders which I then received, I requested he would suspend the execution of that design until I should communicate with higher authority, and he consented so to do. I beg leave to add, that I made this request because my orders were to carry the Pro cession by the New-road. Did you see any one rode over in the Park ?—I saw a man knocked over ; but he was not one of mine. how were the Officers placed who were under your command?—One I dispatched with a message for further orders ; the other was at the head of the squa dron. It was Lieut. Story - I sent with the message. Where, in Oxford-street, were you when you heard the first fire?—l was at Tyburn-gate. Did Lieut. Story return to you before the Proces sion entered the Park ?—He did not, the second time. Examined by Mr. ADoLritus.—The orders were ' given by Government, and I had my orders as a mi litary man, with Sir Robert Baker, to carry the Pro cession by the New•road, which was the precise line it was to go. I sent Lieut. Story twice; the first time he had returned before the Procession entered the Park, but not the second. Mr. HANSO&, jun. now said, that he had received a communication, stating that Lieutenant Gore was in attendance. Witness resumed.—Neither I nor Sir R. Baker had any authority to turn the Procession from the pre scribed route. Sir R. Baker did not tell me it was his voluntary intention to carry it through the City. I understood it was the act of Sir R. Baker himself against the orders of Government. I thought he was compelled to do so, and I understood he would be responsible for it. Being sworn to tell the truth, and the whole truth, I must say that you, Gentlemen, can have but a very vague idea of the attack that was made upon us. • Examined by Mr. ADOLPHUS.—HOW nurrly we e wounded that day ?—There were thirty-seven in the surgeon's list; two I sent off the ground, who were utterly unable to keep their horses ; and next day it appeared that forty-one men and eight horses were wounded. This occurred before any firing took place; there was not much mischief afterwards, for after we had repelled the first attack there was but a slight attack upon us. Indeed, knowing that the lives of the men were entrusted to me, I blame myself for the forbearance which I spewed. The two men who were sent off the ground were wounded before the firing. There are two men still in the hospital. Examined by Jurors.—l saw some soldiers use their swords at the gates. We were compelled to make use of greater exertion. I did not see soldiers scour ing the streets sword in hand. Their steadiness and regularity were far greater than I could have ex• pected. The brickbats were first thrown at me at Kensington, in great showers; so much so that a man told me it was determined to have me off the horse. There were then shouts of Victory ! victory ! Thank GOD, we have beaten them for once !" And this con tinued till we reached Knightsbridge. Was that after Sir Robert Baker had promised they should go through the City ?—I know not what Sir Robert Baker promised. Mr. Spicer.—l wish you would give a detail of what happened to yourself that day ?—I will endea vour to do so. I have told you all, as far as Hyde Park Corner. There were very few stones thrown in Piccadilly. I advanced to Grosvenor-gate. At Gros venor-gate I was violently assailed with stones and brickbats, which continued till we came to Cumber land-gate. At that moment it was so violent that I apprehended the worst consequences. I entered Oxford-street under a shower of brickbats from every direction. On arriving at Tyburn-gate I found a mob on both flanks, one behind the iron-rails, and the other behind a waggon drawn up across the Edge ware-road, sustained by a tree or piece of timber.— The third mob was behind Tyburn-gate. A simul taneous attack commenced from these three positions upon us; entire submiision would be to sacrifice every man I had. I was therefore induced to ride at the gate, which was closed, to seize the foremost of the rabble who were drawn up against me. We soon arrested the progress of the stones and brickbats. — We passed behind the iron railing of the Park. The men having no means of defending themselves, a pistol became the only alternative for self-preser vation. As far as fell under my observation, the pistols were directed to the air, with a view rather to intimidate than to retaliate upon them. When we removed the waggon from the Edgeware-road, the Procession then proceeded. I then retired, being informed by the Magistrate there was no further• oc casion for the military. Mr. Spicer.—l feel much obliged to you for your condescension. Examined by a Juror.—Were all the corporals and privates on duty on the 14th mustered on the 21st? —I have reason to believe they were. Examined by Me CORONER.—None were absent, to my knowledge. Mr. Spicer.—Those in the hospital were very soon recovered? Mr. ADOLPHUS.—We presume those in the hospi tal were not mustered ?—They were not. • Mr. Blakie.—How do you know that the eight horses were wounded ?—They were reported to me. Mr. that evidence ?—lt was not my business to inspect either men or horses. I received the report of one from the veterinary surgeon, and the other from the Adjutant. I transmitted them to the Commanding Officer. Were the horses cut or bruised ?—I did not exa mine them. Mr. Anot.Puys here observed, that as Capt.Oakes • could speak to only one fact of his own knowledge —namely, his having sent two wounded men off the ground, it was better to strike out all that he had heard on the reports of others. This was done. Examined by Mr. Blakie.—The firing proceeded from the bead of my detachment. I did not tell Sir R. Baker that I was willing to go the way that he should like. (It was Captain Bouvetie, of the Blues, who said so, as appeared in the evidence of Sir Robert Baker). The deposition baying been read over to the wit ness, he said that if the Jury were anxious to know what became of Lieutenaia hunk, he would sal• that he did not return till the time the Procession left the Park. Mr. Blakie.—Was Lieutenant (nrc under your command?—lle %%as, but I g:tve him no orders. I can venture to say that the firing did not commence with Lieutenant Gore's detachment. I said before it began from the head of my detachment. Juror.—Will yon new, Sir, say whalicr you gave any orders to fire ?-1 decline answering that ques tion. Lieutenant Gore was certainly under my or ders, for the inferior Of always gives ‘vay to the superior. Juror.—Then we may presume the mrn had no orders to fire ?—I decline answering that question. Mr. Blakie.—Will you say that the record orders you received were to act a,r,‘ aiust the civil power? Mr. ADOLPILVS.—If he answers in the affirmative, it would make him guilty of treason in acting against the civil Magistrate. Examined by a Juror.—When I passed through Cumberland-gate Lieutenant Gore was not there, and I therefore infer that he was in my rear. When I rode on to Tyburn-gate, Lieutenant Gore remained at Cumberland-gate: Were you wounded ?-1 . was not wounded, but -I was struck by a brickbat, which would have broke my head but for my helmet. The evidence of Captain Oakes here closed. Mr. Blakic here took an opportunity of thanking Captain Oakes for the very handsome manner iu which he had given his testimony. Captain Oakes regretted that it had been so tedious. As Captain Oakes withdrew from the room, the Foreman and Jury stood up, in testimony of their respect. The Jury then withdrew for a short time. The Jury returned at twenty minutes past six o'clock, when Mr. Brown expressed his wish that Corporal Col son should be called in and re-examined. The CORONER said, he understood that Lieutenant Gore was in attendance to give his evidence, and he wished him to have the precedence. Mr. Brown acquiesced, and Lieutenant Gore was then called in and examined. —I know nothing touching or relating to the death of Richard Honey. I was on duty on the 14th ;my station was at Cumberland-gate. I had thirteen men under my command, twelve privates and a trumpeter. I don't include corporals with the privates. There were two corporals present. I wore no cloak on that day. 1 was accoutred according to the field-day or ders. It is quite optional whether, on such occasions, an Officer takes pistols or not. I was not provided with pistols on that occasion. A very short time after I had been at Cumberland-gate, I discovered I had not brought my pistols. I then discovered also that I had no cloak. I looked and found I had neither cloak nor pistols. I was not looking for them, but I lifted up my shavraque, and saw I had neither. On lifting up my shavraque, I said, " My servant has sent me out without either cloak or pistols." I never carried pistols previous to that day. I might have had them in the Riding School during my tui tion. I suppose it is fifteen months since 1 dismissed, my Riding-master. I am not quite positive as to the time. I consider myself perfectly entitled to carry pistols now. Examined by a Juror.—lt was of no great conse quence whether I had pistols or not. lam perfectly sure I had no pistols on the 14th, the day of the Queen's funeral. I don't know the names of the two corporals who were under my command on that day. If I saw them now in the barrack-yard I should not know them. I have some idea of the name of one of them. I don't know the name of the trumpeter. The detachment was turned out in a hurry. I - can't tell the age of the corporals or of the trumpeter. I don't know whether the trumpeter's age was twenty or sixty. I forget if I had any conversation with him on that day. I might have said two or three words to him ; it is quite out of my recollection. He rode after me at a considerable distance. I borrowed no cloak on that day. I saw no man in my detachment offer me the loan of a pistol on that day. Examined by another Juror.—l believe there was one of the detachment who offered me the loan of a cloak on that day. A short conversation here took place between some of the Jury and the Coroner, who complained that the questions were not fairly put to the witness. Examination continued.-1 can't say whether I was at the head of my detachment when it left Cumber land-gate. The party went off irregularly. I was sometimes at the head, and sometimes at the side of the detachment. Having remained so long, I took little notice whether the trumpeter was near me or not. I did not hear a cry from the mob, 44 There go the two butchers together!" I was not with my troop at the inspection on the 21st. I was present when the witnesses went to inspect the regiment. 1 was in the same uniform, and on the same horse, as on the 14th. I wore no cloak on the day of inspec tion. I was opposite Cumberland-street after the Procession had gone up the Edgeware-road. I was in Cumberland-street after the l'rocession bad passed round the corner of the Edgewarc-road. I have no recollection of the particular time when I was there and dismissed from duty. About two hours and a' half after the Procession had pa , ;sed, I went into Cum. berland-street to speak to Captain Oakes ; my party was not with me. swear I was not in Cumber land-street with my party, and the trumpeter beside me. I had no conversation with the trumpeter either of Captain Oakes's party or my own, in Cumberland street. Some of my men were returned as wounded. One man complained of being hurt. I saw the helmet of another beaten in ; I mean I saw it after it was beaten in. I was informed a horse belonging to , my party had his throat cut ; by this I mean that the horse was cut in the throat. I learned that the sol. Bier was obliged to leave his duty. I was about 220 minutes at Cumberland-gate before the Proces;' o% came, more or less, I cannot say. We did not eta a 1 charge upon the people, but some of the men r6d ; forl,vard, after they bad in vain remonstrated wie t them and desired them to desist, being h eav a s , as. sailed with brickbats and various missiles. I d i d not hear of any individual being cut down or wonnam by the soldiers. I should not have known 5i5.1144,,, t Baker had I seen him. I did not hear the tr ot A , t read by any Magistrate; I do not know if it ill! ! read. I cannot tell . who commanded the saldi et; to fire. When Captain Oakes's detachnieo.: p. r ,i,.,, d it Cumberland-gate, I considered myself ;Inkier hi s c a ns . nand, and if he gave the word to fire I co.dd..me have heard it; I ‘‘ . ?s too far distant. I Ten 0,..d t h e men with beer, about ten minutes before t i,, p r , a ,... sion came up; I gave them a pint of p orter ele:i. t saw soldiers firing in the air ; I could not e i ,...i n.: , ;41 . individuals. A Jnror.—l wish Lieutenant Gore world r , serious ; 1 saw him smile, which he ought not fob, upon so solcaln an occasion as this. Lieutenant Gore denied his having smil7d Li ve Con - nier said 1:c could not perceivo anythin:.; proper levity on the part of the witness, who, hr thOoght, Will treated most unfairly. Exanti continvcrl.--1 did not we a man <het on tie 14th. I liarp seen a man of the name of Murat. Bert since the 14th of August... A Juror asked the witness did anything, transpim at that intet view between witness and 1 - linntlert ? Mr. ADOLPIIUS objected to the question, and con. ,tended that it ought to be put in specific term 7. The CORONER was decidedly of opinion that the question was not admissible in its present form. The Juror.—Mr. Adolphus ha. again iazerrupted me, and knocked my question en the head as on a former day. . . . . Examination continned.--I awed if Hinnb e. et any men were killed ? He said that a man was car r i e d by on men's shoulders, but did not know %%healer he was dead or not. This was either the 2der 3d day after the 1 Ith. Mr. Humbert did not sa whether he was dead or not, to the best of my recollection. lie did not say that I was the person suspected to have killed him. I think that alter the event s o me persons came up insulting the detachment in all man ner of ways, and said ; pointing to me, n That is he who killed the man." 1;y insulting, I mean by words, grimaces, and gestures. There was a person who said he should know me again, he murniuted some words to himself, and pointed to me. Two Fowls spoke to me, and I rather think one of them said, "I wish you well through it." The name of one of them is Gore ; he is a relation of mine. 1 received a blow on my knee, and I had a contusion on the instep of my foot, which I feel at this moment. There is a nark on one of my hoots, which you may see now if you like. I was not at alt alarmed. I was doing my duty. I observed the stones coming from the corner of the wall near Park-lane, and saw brickbats pulled out from various parts of the wall. There was also a • party that had retired behind the Park palisadoes, throwing stance and they threw stones from the right and left cornets of Cumberland-street. The firing did not commence till a considerable time alter they had assailed us with stones. The soldiers bore it too long. The firing did not commence till seven or eight minutes after they were assailed ; I can't be precise as to tl:e time. The party that I commanded at Cumberland-gate was pelted at before Captaia Oakes's party arrived. There was no firing before the hearse came throngli. I will not swear that my party fired before Captain Oakes's party came up; and when they did c ome up, the s oldiers were so mixed together, that I don't know whether my men fired at all or not. Examined by another Juroe.—l did not make any remark to the man who had come up and raid should know me again. I knew Humbert before the 14th ; whether he knew me or not I can't say. I did not see him in the Barrack-yard on the inspectien day, the 21st. I don't remember if I mounted guard at the Horse Guards on Sunday week or not; I mounted guard a short time ago, but I don't recollect the day. Examined by a Juror.—The reason I asked the question of Mr. Humbert was, that I had seen a urea carried away on men's shoulder, and I asked if be was killed or not ? Examined by Mr. Anornmes.—My cousin, who spoke to me, happened to pass by when somebody addressed me. Ile did not know I was on duty at the time. I was quite sensible that both I and my men were in considerable danger on that day. Mr. Illakie.—There are several persons outside is attendance, and wish for an opportunity to inspect Lieutenant Gore, in order that they might be ableo say if he was the person who shot the deceased. Lieutenant Gore.—Oh, I have no objection. Mr. ADOLPHUS observed, that an opportunity Lai already been given to the witnesses to identify the ire dividuals of the Regiment whom they thought lea fired the shots. A Juryman said, that since that several tvitnesses had been called, to whom an opportunity s reuld be given of inspecting the men. Mr. ADOLPH us would ask the Jury if they, In their judgment, thought it was a wi a or convenient pre• seeding, after a Gentleman had been subjected to the inspection of witnesses, under the proper circum stances, he should be obliged to go through the same course again at the request of persons on their grid applications? He would submit, that in the case d a man charged with a felony, after he had been era mined bei - ore a Justice of the Peace formally, it teeid 4 be quite an ii regular proceeding to allow a number cf tradesmen, at their own request, to have an °peer' tunity of inspecting hint over again. It ts as not his wish to screen the young Gentleman front the nee& sary examination which the ends of justice required; hut he would put it to the sense of the Jury, whether ) it would be wise or just to establish such a precedent. A Juror.—We do not accuse Mr. Gore. The Coeoeuft said in would be dangerous to elk , such a precedent. Mr. Illakie observed, that if Lieutenant Gore vat . out for the purpose of being inspected by these e& nesses, some persons should attend him tor seculine_ Mr. ADOLPHUS would simply say, in reit:Loci. t 3 the last observations, that' if Lieutenant time ly out, it would be, in eirect, a moral assassinetion. A Juror said that he was sure that one of tlieefil nesses saw Lieutenant Gore that evening. Toil would not be fair play. s Lieutenant Gore inemediately rose and 4.114••••• ex