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thing that had since occurred had shewn that the dis turbances were now on the increase, and that consi deration became mare formidable when they recoils lected that these disturbances were not of a tempo rary nature—not of one or two years' date—but , had continued the same for a great number of years. The Hon. Baronet here quoted passages from speeches of different Members who had brought forward mea sures respecting Ireland in the years 1819,1817,1816, 1818,1806, and 1801, to shew that at each of those periods Ireland had been in a state of great disturb ance. The House would next find, that the Insur rection Act had been in force during a great mit of that time. It had been introduced in 1796, and con tinued until 1802, a period of six years ; next from 1803 to 1805, a period of two years ; next from 1807 to 1810, a period of three years; next from 1814 to 1818, a period of four years ; and from 1822 to the present moment ; thus making since 1796, a period of 26 years, during which the law of the land had been suspended in Ireland. Besides the operation of this Act, there had been another, called the Arms Act, which had been in operation from 1796 to 1801, from 1805 to 1807, and continued since then as a matter of course. One thing was clear, viz. that the plan of coercion had failed. He might state as a summary, that twenty counties were more or less in a state of insurrection ; and that the system of dis turbance had now gone on for so long a time, that almost the whole of the population had been edu cated in it. When they considered that the popula tion of Ireland was computed to double itself in every 46 years, it became a subject of serious consideration in what way so large a population ought to subsist. It was impossible to look at the associations now in force in Ireland, the habits which they followed, and the eagerness with which they obtained arms, and believe that these associations had an idle• object . in view. The object of the motion which he was about to submit to the House was, for a Secret Committee to enquire into the object and extent of the disturb ances in Ireland. Into the causes of those distui b- antes the motion did not enter, although he thought that an enquiry into their causes would be useful. It was unfortunate for Ireland, that individuals in this country were apt to entertain most erroneous notions as to the real cause of his!' disturbances. A Noble Lord at the head of his Majesty's Go:ernment had expressed it as his opinion, that the only cause of those disturbances was the contest between poverty and weaLiu, and the reception of his Majesty by cusses in Ireland, had been adduced as a proof that the disturbances had no foundation in political grounds. All his (Sir H. Parnell's) experience con vinced him that nothing could be more erroneous than the opinion to which he had adverted. He had taken great pains to ascertain the truth on this sub ject, and he would say that nothing could be more erroneous than to suppose that even the lowest and poorest Catholic was not fully sensible of his political situation. The Irish had considered the visit of his Majesty as a pledge that measures of relief would be adopted, and they ha•l received him, as they always would, with mat ks of attachment. It had also been said, that education might ameliorate the evils which Leland had suffered. That was an erroneous notion; fur it was by the laws of 41 country that its manners vete established. An llon. Gentleman had on a for mer night referred to the case of Scotland. But the -present situation of Scotland was not a canoe in point ; for it appeared from the writings of Eletcher of Saltoun, that Scotland had been in a miserable situation until its Constitution had been altered ; and i lal been then that an amelioration of manners and condition had taken place. Up to 1775 the Popery Laws, as they were termed„ continued in full vi gour, and the consequence was a hostility between leland and England, from which those laws were natty ally eeough supposed to have proceeded. At the begiuning of the eighteenth century, and up to the present period, though much had been con-1 ceded to pacify the feeling of that country with re gard to England had not undergone any material al teration. He admitted that the true weight and value had not been given to the cote.essions made in their favour in the English Parliament by the people of Ireland. On the contrary, they rather looked fur ward to what was withheld from them than to the boons which the wisdom and liberality of Parliament had granted. He felt, therefore, that the people of Le land, knowing that to which they were entitled, should at once have their right gracefully conceded, and convinced he was that they would be received by them with gratitude. If they came to consider the mode in which the English Constitution was admi nistered in behind, they would find that no two things were more dissimilar than the same Constitu tion in different countries. lie should briefly illus trate this position by a reference to the Act of Union. The clear object of those who supported the Union was "to give the British Constitution to eland"— these were Mr. l'ites own words, width clearly im plied, that before that period they did not (the peo ple of Ireland) enjoy the privileges of the Constitu tion. Here was most decisive evidence, and he would ask what had been since done calculated to increase Ireland's share in the British Constitution ? Mr. Pitt himself had actually resigned because he found it quite impossible to obtain from the House of Commons their assent to a measure which he con sidered indispensable to the admission of the people of Ireland within the pale of the Constitution. He thought, under all these ciromstances, that the course now pursued of coercive measures towards Ireland, was calculated to produce no beneficial re ; and therefore he felt it his duty to point out the manner by which he thought the Government ought to proceed; and he did so, not from the vain hope of succeeding in his motion, but lest hereafter he might be called upon as not having fairly dis charged his duty as al Irish Representative. The Hon. Member concluded by moving, as an amend ment, that a Committee of twenty-one .Members should be appointed to inquire into the extent and object of the disturbances in Ireland. Mr. GRATTAN seconded the amendment. The Hon. Member observed, that the system . now pur sued with regard to Ireland was little calculated to diminish the evils and afflictions under which that unhappy country was labouring. The severe mew: sures recently adopted towards Ireland—the revival of the Insurrection Act, and similar unpopular enact ments, were often tried; they bad always failed, aid be thought that the adoption of the proposed • ♦ote would give a pledge to the people of Ireland , that their grievances were likely to attract the consi deration of the House. In 1803 the Secretary for Foreign Affairs (Mr. Canning) had strong4•'adVor cated the necesslty of inquiry, andle hoped 6at he would :to-night, by his speech and vote, support an amendment which hid 'the same object in its con templation.--•-The question was then put. Mr. GOUCBURN thought the Hon. Members who had just spoken had no neollef any apology • entering at length into the state of Ireland—a couti ' try with which they were ilb intimately connected.— (Hear). No man could doubt there was sufficient of danger and difficulty in Ireland to require the im mediate application of the measure now before the House to that country. He must, therefore, perse vere in moving the second reading of the Bill, and consequently he must oppose the motion of the Hon. Baronet for inquiry, for he was one of those who thought it impossible to go into such an inquiry such a period of the Session. If they were told that they had a case which would not bear the light, he must say also, that such an insinuation was unfair, and that the only reason was, that. the Committee of Sup ply having closed, the Session was approaching its conclusion also. He was, however, ready to sit from now till the next Session commenced, if he could work any good for Ireland ; but when he looked at the thinness of the .House, and the necessity for Irish Members to be more usefully employed in their own country, he could not accede to the proposition of the Hon. Baronet. This opposition of his did not arise from any wish ~to withhold from Parliament the in formation necessary on so momentous a subject as this. The only thing that had prevented him from moving for such a Committee as this was, the diffi culty of laying before the House theinformation ne cessary for it to come to a distinct opinion on the sub ject. But should these disturbances continue to exist, and he be called upon to vonose these violent mea sures again, he would propose a Committee of In. quiry into the state of Ireland ; and, in order to pro duce a beneficial result, the inquiry must be directed to the very causes of the evil. The Hon. Baronet had fallen into a popular error by attributing the whole difficulties and evils of Ireland to the conduct of the Government. In his opinion, the greatest part of , them was to be attributed to the enormous increase of population in Ireland. The first remedy would be by the slow' and gentle operation ,ot education, acting upon the manners and habits of the people. It could not be expected that the institution of the schools would bring about an instant or immediate changein the state of the Counties•of Limerick or Cork ; but by education was not meant the knowledge of reading and writing ; it was instrn:tion in moral duties, and the example of all countries taught him that, however slow, such an education was productive of the greatest good at last. He did not agree with the Honourable Baronet, that education had had no erect in tranquil lizing the people of Scotland, for to that he (Mr. Goalburn) almost alone attributed the greatly im proved condition of that part of the empire. He de. :tied that the Treaty of Limerick being broken, and the penal laws established, were the two peat causes of the evils of Ireland. Those penal laws had been long since repealed, and the people restored to the state in which they were left by the Treaty of Lime. rick. For these reasons, he thought lion. Members would better discharge their duty by voting for the second reading of the 13ill, without throwing any im pediment in the way of it—(ilear, hear). Colonel DAVIIi:S could not consider this as a pure Irish question, but one deeply interesting the Empire at large. Still he considered his Honourable Friend's universal corgi Infantry, and the 2d of the lire under G eneral c 4 opinion. support . tiecid li er e d wi tl sh ie ed ßi t i o l parsotceaslctUlgaateindsttothSt do Priest, and the Spanish under General Ifoni.t !o -' 4utrm rather than good ;an wheneverette question' have at length overtaken a division of Mina's cors s ' was put upon it, he would, if he stood alone,- raise in the highest summits of the Fp. ~,t ee, , „„,; his voice against it. Fr ench Cerda g ne ; that 800 men of .this column I ',l " 41 ' Sir H. PARNELL said, he felt so strong l y the ne- down their arms ; that the y hive been mad e 14wn : 1 .ri, Lipsky of inquiry, that be should consider himself and conducted to Mont Louis. justified in taking the sense of the House on his is lam sorry I cannot go more into p A i l i c „i a That I may not elr in stating the f acts , or in ri:; praises due to the combined Royal ttoops, 1 inu wait for the report of Baron crEtolles, who conducted - this operatiOn.—l have the honour to be, & c . c. g 4 The Marshal Duke a CORNBG L 1.1 NO, NION CEy • 4iliasam.wacais. The gallery was then cleared for a division; when appeared— For the Second Reading For the Committee . - Majority for the Second Reading —49 - The Bill was read a woad time, and committed for this day. The third reading of the Scotch Commissaries' Bill was fixed for Monday next. The other Orders were then disposed of, and the House ad journed at a starter past One o'Clock. iROM.THE FRENCH PAPERS OF SUNDAY. THE EVENING STAR. LONDON. • FURTHER EXTRACT& PARIS, JUNE 22. 11 DISPATCH FROM THE MAJOR-GENERAL OF THE ARMY OF THE PYRENNEES, TO HIS EXCELLENCY THE MINISTER SECRETARY OF STATE OP THE WAR DEPARTMENT. 41 MADRID, JUNE 14. " My Lord—His Royal Highness charges me with the honour of transmitting to your Excellency the following news: " The second . column of the expedition, under Count Rourmont, which had passed the Tagus at the bridge. of l'Arzobispo and the ferry of Almaraz, joined on the 11th at Truxillo. On the 12th General Valin occupied Miajadas, and the two roads leading to Merida and Nletielin : the rest of the column was at El Escorial and Valmesia. Count Rourmont was preparing to march en the I,th towards Merida and Medelin, according to what should be heard of the enemy. A post of 100 men is filed at Truxillo in a fortified house, to guard the town and the communi cation with Madrid. " On the 12th a detachment of infantry and lancers had been sent to Cuceres to finish the disorganization of the Revolutionary Government and favour the army of the Royalists. This detachment is to Rejoin the column at Merida. " The Brigadier Merino, who flanks the move ments of General Rourmont, has beaten the Empe cinado at Moraleja, and killed ninety-five of his men, besides those who perished among the mountains. This action has delivered an extensive territory from the cruelty of the Empccinado, and permitted the in habitants to declare for the Royal cause. " An Officer of tht Staff, whom his Royal High ness had ordered me to send to Salamanca for news, found that the division of Count Amarante had left that town for Portugal. 44 This division, consisting of SOO cavalry and four thousand or five thousand infantry, with six pieces of artillery, arrived at Salamanca on the 21st of May: it has observed the strictest discipline. ." In the night of the 7th, three couriers in quick succession announced the different events in Portugal. The last courier brought word that the Infant Don Miguel had left Lisbon at the bead of three regi ments of the garrison; that this movement bad united . all the neightiouring garrisons with him; that the King was declared free; that most of the troops had returned to Lisbon to guard his Majesty, while the others went to fetch the Queen, and that all the Royal Fainily was united; that the garrisons of Oporto, Braganza, Ecc. had declared in favour of the King, and that it was hoped that the city of Almeida was also going to open its gates to the Royalist troops. A, 1. WEDNESDAY, JUNE 25, is(l. TILE FUNDS. ' STOCK EXCHANGE. TWELVE O'CLOtt Consols opened this morning at 811 f, at Which pt thy have remained steady, with little doing. FOREIGN FUNDS. Spanish Bonds opened at 31 j, and got up to 31/. C,4 0 .4 41 is done at 44. Scarcely any business doing except in Spa r d i k, Current Prices :—Spanish Bonds 31/, New Prussian 81; Russian 90 to f, Colombian 44, Chilian C6l to C 7. PRI= OF STOCKS AT ONE o'CI.OOK. 3 per Cent. ilea. WA 5 /tt 1 / 2 -3 "/ ( 2 per Cents. 93 4 per Cents. Old 95 977 a 98 Bank Long Annuities 20 7-16 1 / 2 Impel tal 3 per Cents. 7934 India Bonds So,. p r . Excite. Bills (C1,006)171. 19 s: — Sma11181.21s. pt. Coin-ols tin Adcount 81 s/ 8 I,fi. Mr. WARD, a Gentleman attached to the Embassy at Sevilla, arrived this day at noon il l Downing -street, with dispatches from Sir WiLtio A'Cotntr. /le left Seville on the 15:1i retrial of the KING to proceed to Cadiz ;,as vey decisive, as it was considered the Royal pl..n t might be endangered by the yellow fever, liich;; very prevalent during the summer in that city. The subject was discussed in the Cortes, who, oaths motiou of M.GALIANO, seconded by M. A acout.es, passed a Resolution, declaring the KING morally in. capable of reigning, and forthwith appointed a Re. gency, according to the forms of the Constitution established for the case of the moral or rhysiqlia. capacity of the KING. Destitute of support in the Cortes, and insulted on all hands, the KING and Royal Family set out fa Cadiz, not by water, as has been stated, but by land, on the 12th instant. The Regency went by the steam-boat, accamipanied by such of the Ministers as had not resigned, and such of the Officers of the Government and Members of the Cones as plopodoi to follow them. This forenoon we received the French rapes if Monday, and pirate letters, written on a latsk hap that day, by Express. The following is " According to thislast courier, Count Amarante left Salamanca on the Bth of June, at 3 A. M. pro ceeding towards Almeida, passing to the right of Ciudad Rodrigo. That General left at Salamanca a Portuguese garrison, consisting of two battalions of militia, SO cavalry, and two cannon, to protect the town against the Spanish Constitutional troops that have retired to Rodrigo. " The Portuguese troops commanded by General Rego, which were first sent against Count Amarante, had retired to Portugal, and also recognized the Royal authority. General Rego, as soon as he got back to Portugal, had been summoned to Lisbon by the Cartes, and deprived of his command. " Lastly, according to private letters, all the troops, without exception, have followed the example of the garrison of Lisbon. (Signed) " The Major-General Count GUILLEMINOT." DISPATCH FROM THE MAJOR-GENERAL TO THE MINISTER OF WAR. •' MADRID, JUNE 16. "My Lord—l have the honour to inform your Excellency that a movement in favour of the King took place at Cordova the moment a battalion of Quintos left it. Count Bourdesoult hastened to pro ceed thither with his vanguard, and must have ar rived there on the 13th, to second this movement. " The town of Jaen, and all the environs, have also declared for the Royal cause, and are aiming to re pulse the fUgitives of Placencia's corps. " The measure taken by Count Botrdesoult to send home the Quintos, even those who are made prisoners, occasion great desertion in the enemy's ran,lcs. (Signed) " The Major - General Count GUILLEMINOT." LETTER FROM MARSHAL MONCEY TO HIS EXCELLENCY THE MINISTER OF WAR. 44 VICH, Just 16, Nine, r.m. " My Lord—By my Report of the 3d of June, your Excellency has seen, that persevering in the pursuit of the corps of Mina, I found a column charged with this expedition, under LieutAant•Ge neral Baron d'Eroles, composed of four Spanish bat talions, and the French brigade, under Major-Gene l ral Viscount Saint Priest. " In my following Reports, I informed your Ex cellency, that I had also detached in pursuit of Mina, Count Salperwich, Colonel of the Bth of the line, with fourteen companies of his regiment. " Lastly, your Excellency has been informed of the movements against Mina in our lines ; of the en• terprise which he seemed disposed to attempt at the fort of Figueras, and of his countermarch in the di. rection of La Cerdagne. " Yesterday the Colonel of the Bth, writing from Ribes, gave me the preliminary news of an encounter and an advantage. " All last night and the greater part of to-day, I waited with impatience for a Report from Baron Erolei, commanding the expedition. " I was in this expectation when I received a Re .._ motion would go to an inquiry into the effects, ra ther than the causes of the evils which now lacerated Leland. He could not, however, but distrust the proinise of the Right Honourable Gentleman, that inquily should be instituted,. if it was found to be ne cessary to resort again to coercive measures. Such promises bad always been made by Government, when they wished to cat ry such measures, and then, when they bad got armed with the sword, upon the sword would they alone depend, untaught by the past and regardless of the furore. The Right Ho now able Gentleman had said and promised nothing more than had been said and promised by every Sc cretary for Ireland doting the last twenty-five years. He was convinced that, as long as the present system of governing Ireland continued, we should have con stant rebellions in Ireland. Mr.,' SMITH contended, that at present it was the bounden duty of the English Ministers to attend to the affairs of Ireland. She could never enjoy per manent tranquillity till the Catholic question should; be set at rest. Oa the subject of education, he be lieved less had been done for her than the House was aware of. He should support the Motion, though he was afraid he should divide with a small minority. Mr. ROBERTSON asked what the people of lie land would say, if they heard that so important a question had been discussed in a House of scarcely forty Members ? All the concessions to Ireland had been extorted from our fears, and could excite no gratitude. In a few years it was a probable case that Ireland would be lost to this country. Let the people of Ireland be put on an equal footing with the people of this country, and they would be equally loyal. He would endeavour togain the Catholic Clergy by giving them stipends from the State—(Hear) ; and a portion of the tithes might be applied in that way. Mr. C. HUTCHINSON concurred -with the last speaker in the greater part of his speech. Should his Hon. Friend divide the House he should vote with him. Mr. R. MARTIN assured his Honourable Friend (Sir Henry Parnell), that if he thought the success of his motion would .not do mischief to Ireland, he would support him ; but such a motion, being coupled with the Insurrection Act, became negatived as to any value it could possibly possess. Ms. S. RICE was in favour of the appointment ) of a Committee. The real cause of the disorders of Ireland eras the way in which that country had been governed for ages. Mr. D. BRO WNE was in favour of re-enacting the Insurrection Act, and that its provisions be rigon ously enforced against offenders.; iVIr.:PEEL gave his decided negative to the motion for appointing a Committee. The real question before the House was, not whether they should have en quiry or no enquiry, but whether they should take it now, at this period of the Session, or delay it to the next Session, should it then be considered necessary. FROM OUR OWN CORRESPONDENT. " PARIS, JUNE 23—sri o'cuicr. gc The threat of the Spanish Ministers to send the King bound to any place the Cortes pleased, if they should so order it, has at length received its executids. On Ferdinand's refusing to go to Cadiz, he has bee formally deposed and sent to Cadiz, with two police officers in the carriage, and accompanied by an croft of two hundred cavalry. The windows, of the car. riage are not suffered to be let down to receive the air, and the troops have orders to suffer no persona approach the carriage. It is stated that Sir Willies A'Court made the most energetic remonstrance against this conduct of the Cones, and declared was there as Minister of his Court to the King d Spain, and not to the Cones, and protested in writing against the measures adopted, and declared his in. tention to remain at Seville, and that his diplomatic mission was terminated by the deposition of Ferdinand, " This event opens a grand field for the talents d Mr. Canning. Spain has ceased for the momenta be a Monarchy, and as her future existence is by no means a matter of indifference to England, no doubt the Minister for Foreign Affairs will seize the Die. meat, than which none could be more propitioss,St exercising the salutary influence of a Constitutional Government, and assuring the tranquillity of Spahr on solid bases. I apprehend it cannot enter into the views of the British Cabinet to tolerate a Republic is Spain, or even approve the recent measures of the Cones: it would be recognizing a principle Aid -strikes at the root of Monarchy. lim equally ter willing to believe that England will lend her aidior even connive at the establishment of such a feet,o Government, as, without her interference, ma best trued by the three despotic powers of Austria, les• ala, and Prussia, Her voice must be heard it'd's councils that relate to the future existence of 'she alone can temper the views of the Holy &WSW and render them rational and fit for the *adolitleini a brave and generous nation; the question is fb lt portant one, to which I shall return in a few days.' EXTRACT OF A LETTER RECEIVED BY Willa Malmo, Me e * " The following are the detaili w hi c h II hare bill able to collect of the news from Seville: On the Bth, Sir W. A'Court offered his maiP Lion to the Government, proposing to go in persona _ . _ _ io Madrid, and promising to do all in his power Mr. W. SMITH supported the motion for inquiry. port from Qeneral M adrid, who as well as myself Mr. DENMAN said, it seemed to be a received is at Vich, informiag me that the 2d brigade of his b ring back favourable conditions. The Cortes* opinion, that the Insurrection Act was to be met by division, composed of the 12th Regiment of Light plied, that they stood in no need of any foreigilw . . to • 1