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IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. ~t ! i ~. k i ;~, I€ . i. i HOUSE OF LORDS, JUNE 21. At half.past four o'clock the house was filled to excess with Peers. it was difficult to determine whether thp rtster body was on the ministerial or opposition benches. fhe 1 of Burster, Lord Dover, Lord Sefton, and the other Peers I ttely created, ranged themselves, as might be earetied, on the eide of the alin:stry. The Duke of Nor folk end Lod Mule-are, in srlendid military uniforms, lock :lair places as the ?never end seconder of the address. S veral ladies in elegant costume sat below the bar to witness their Lordships proceedings. Tne house assumed, upon the whole, a most impressive appsarance. The LORD ell ANCELLOR took his seat at half.past are o'clock. and commenced the business of the evening by repeetins that order might be kept while he read his Ma jesty's erceh. Lord Et.-1 EN BOROUGH suggested that it was always guise to tr..:ve the first reading of a bill. Earl GREY then moved the first trading of the Select Vestry Bill. which Navin; be n read, The 1,0111) CIIANCELLOR read the Speech, which' we cave in the whole impression of the STAR yesterday. the Date of NORFOLK then rose to move the address. Ifts Grace was dressed in the Windsor uniform. lie had b. en from the earliest period of his life attached to the in stitutions of his country, and he felt confident that a Reform in the Constitution of Parliament.wa., essentially necessary, and would he attended with the best of consequences. It i was not his intention to argue this subject, but he considered that there was more danger in attending to the pernicious adherence to hereditary rights than by going hand and haft io introducing a salutary change. (Hear, hear). In his opinion, there was less danger in permitting the passing of the present Reform Bill than in resisting it, In the spirit of the present times. The great question of reform had been obtained by the irresistible sense of the people. It was a great libel on the people to say, that they had been influ enced by revolutionary feeling. It was sath'aetory to knew that the pacific editions of the country had been preserved. The Noble Duke could not avoid expressing his regret that the reduction of taxes had not produced that permanent ad vaetage to the dist-eased classes snich had been expected. There was another circumstance, namely, the distress and disturbance in pats of land, which also called for deep regret. His hope, however, was, that the measures of a Noble 'Marquis in Ireland would alleviate, and finally, re lieve, the sufferings of the population in that part of the United-Kingdom. The Noble Duke concluded by moving the Address, which was as usual an echo of the speech. The Address having been handed to the LORD CHAN CELLOR, his Lsrdship rose to read it, but was encoun. tered by the cry of " No, no," from Lord Ellenborough and the Duke of Bnekingliam. The Earl of MULE; RAVE rose at the same time to se cond the Address, but sat down amidst the cry of " Order, order—real, reed—no, no," fee. Lord ELLENBOROUGH made a technical objection to the form of the Address moved by the Noble Duke. It varied in grammatical construction from all former Ad dresses, being in the first person instead of the third. The informality was of importance, because a Committee which' might be appointed to carry it into effect could not depart from the language, if it remained in the first person. Earl GREY considered the objection quite unnecessary. It might not be strictly technical according to the forms, but spun a discuss* of a speech from the throne it was deairs hie to avoid do y. The Earl of ELDON cited a case in which an Address had been amended by the Lord Chancellor before it was read to the House. Several Peers exclaimed, " Read ! Go on." The LORD CII INCELLOR said; it was necessary he should obtain instruction upon the course he had to pursue One Noble Lord told him to read the address in the first person ; another requested him to read it in the third. He thought he ought to read it in the form it came into his hands, and then put the question that this address be pre sented. Lord ROLLE said. he did not know how an amendment could be proposed to an address which they had not heard read. Lord ELLENBOROUGH said, the Noble Duke had snored that an Address be presented to his Majesty in irre. gular words. The usual mode had • been not to address his Majesty in the first person. The form in which it was moved precluded it from being referred to the Committee to which it must be submitted. Earl GREY said, if there was any error, be would take the blame, having recommended the form to the Noble Duke. It did not appear to him that the least inconvenient, could arise from the adoption of the Address in its them shape. His hope was that the House would, therefore, suffer the Address to be read in such a way that every /dauber of the House might form a judgment upon it. The objection of the Noble Lord could answer no par. pose but delay. Lord ELLENBOROUGH and Lord MANSFIELD roost the same time. Lord E LLE NBOROUGH, however ad dressed the House. It was the duty of every Member to guard their forms; and it was not the period to allow Par. liamentary forms to be infringed. He thought great public inconvenience would arise from the inadvertence of which he complained. How was it possible to refer to a Committee that which the House had not agreed to ? If they adopted the Address in the terms it was couched in, a Committee could not carry it into effect. His hope was, that at least it would not be drawn into a precedent. The Duke of BUCKING!' A NI complained that the noble and learned lord did not read the whole of the address, but had merely said, " Is it your lordship's pleasure to agree with this address ?" The Marquis of LA NSDOW E said the noble and learned lord on the woolsack should In strictness read every motion submitted to the house. The LORD CHANCELLOR said he had been res. tricted in the execution of his duty by a desire to do that duty in &manner satisfactory to all their lordships. Dif ferent opinions had been expressed. When he endeavoured to read the address, one noble lord wished hint to read it ; and another cried no. He was in the situalon of a man with too many masters. A PEER, whose name we could not collect, sail it waa competent for the noble lord who moved the address to ca. rect the informality. Lord HOLLAND said it was usual to allow a motion to be put in an amended state. Lord FARNHAM thought the plainest course was to allow the noble duke to amend it. The Marquis of LONDONDERRY rose amidst the cry of order. Lord HOLLAND continued. Common courtesy of the house allowed the noble lord on the woolsack to amend an informal motion. The Duke of NORFOLK then proposed to amend his motion. The Earl of ELDON said a committee appointed to prepare an address could not alter the wends of that address. The Marquis of LONDONDERRY said it wasremark. able that the Government Which last Session stood so much upon otder, should have prompted the noble duke to be dis orderly in proposing an improper address. Lord HOLLAND said there was nothing so disorderly as a debate upon a point of order. The noble Marquis had contrived to bring disorder to the highest summit, in refer. ring to former irregularity In the debates of another Paella. ment. If that could be allowed, it would shake the stability. of all their proceedings. The Duke of NORFOLK having removed the technical ebi theLORD CHANCELLOR read the address from the Woolsack. The Earl of MULGRAVE then rose to second it. The noble earl observed, that ether he rose to addreas the house some few moments previously, he had no intenuon to inter rupt the order of their lordships' proceedings. He was con vinced that the act of inadvertence on the pert of his noble friend had been imputed to the right motive. He could not avoid regrettirg that the inadvertence had occurred, because when the house was assembled upon great and important matters, it was essential that all delay should be avoided. In rising to second the address, he could assure disk lord. ships that lie bad devoted his most anxious attention .to the question of parliamentary reform, and he wee persuaded there was no subject which required more consideration. It was a pat advantage to the cause to base the support of the noble duke who sat beside him. He then eddieseed him. aelf to those topics which had been eubutitted to the house. I t was satisfactory to look at the conduct of the Government respect to allies, and Doane could deny . of future confidence In their measure* national,faith and bonour. Ide had . no am support of the rlgho of other nations the foreneeth of . those States wblch depended I i dation.ig their just itghts. , Hs thostoht it for. A eontereaoss of the coogrese_of London had not,. spied itY ( Wig who onleidered theanselves coop deelde, in opposition to. the good intenUons of minise4s. The. noble earl, in respect to the former policy of England, wont on to say that when minor difficulties were overcome, as he trusted they would be in regard to Belgium, the tranquillity of that country would much depend upon the Individual who should be appointed to its government. 7 d4kinguished iodiyidual to whom public attention had stotecied as destined to such a government, he (Earl grate) was satisfied would attend in every respect to the interests of that e. To tefer pFl ence to other parts of Europe, he true that' the vs-1 citrus Sovereigns woul d peaceably and gradua ly pave II way { to future tranquillity and bornfeirt. On the' question o f PO- land, it was impossible not to sympathies with its people.— Adverting to that part of the Speech from the Throne which touched on the revenue of the country, it was gratifying to know that a remission of 4,000.0001. of taxation, which took place last year, was not accompanied by more than a dimi. nution of half a million in the actual amount of the revenue. Regarding the internal policy of the country,he regretted that there did not appear to hint to have been sufficient attention to some of those counties where the necessary article of coal was dif f icult to be obtained. By a cheap supply of that article, he was of opinion much of the domestic comforts of the poor would he secured to them. There was another point connected with this subject to which he would take the liberty of directing their lordships attention, which was the change adopted in the beer laws. He regretted that that change had net produced all the benefits which had been anticipated by the promoters of the measure. The moral and domestic habits of the people generally, since the pas sing of that measure, bore no comparison to what they were previously to the passing of the Beer Bill. The noble earl then alluded to the present distressed state of Ireland, which Ile said it was knpo4sible to view without horror. It was con. solatory,however,to know that where disturbance , : had broken out peace had in some measure been restored. There was ano. ther point in the Speech which called for notice ; he alluded to the geographical progress of that disorder which at present was ro be found in conntries with which England had con vection. Whilst he deprecated alarm, he should regret if an undue confider.ce were established. He came now to the examination of the great qm.stion of Parliamentary reform— in paving the way for which he must observe that his Majesty, in dissolving the last Parliament, had acted with that manliness which best became his character; that dissolu. Lion he (Earl Nlulgrave) considered as an expedient mea sure, for in his opinion there never was a question more ne. actuary to be brought forward than the one of Reform in Piirliamett. Any arguments which noble lords on the other aide of the House might bring forward, founded on the in. riolability of the elective franchise, appeared to him to be perfectly fallacious. The elective franchise was conferred on the people, who, with the Monarch at their head, were best qualified to judge when was the fittest time for a change to take place. It ought to be borne in mind that large manufacturing districts had grown into existence since the period when the present law of election was framed. He should wish to know at what time noble lords opposite intended to concede any alteration in those laws ; for his own part he anticipated no harm to the settled constitution of of the country by the measure which had been brought for. ward in the last parliament. As the law was at present constituted the aristocracy had their battles fought in the other House by their nominees. Nothing in his opinion was more beneficial to the country than a system of non. intervention between the two branches of the Legislature ; he stated what he humbly conceived to be true; he should take another opportunity, when the measure came regularly before the House, of stating his opinions upon it io detail. He regretted the spirit of opposition upon a trifling point which had been manifested since he came into that House; one Noble Baron (Rllenborough) had risen to oppose the address of the noble Duke, and had threatened the House with an amendment--(No, no, from the Ministerial benches.) Lord ROLLS rose to order. Earl ItIUI.ORAVE resumed, he spoke his sentiments freely ; it was many years since he became a reformer, and he believed that time was an unsparing creditor. Noble lords on the opposite side of the house, who contended for a gradual amelioration, were little aware of the amount of compound interest whi ch would be required to be paid in the cud, if the principle of delay were acted upon ; he trusted, however, that the Barons of England would see the propriety and necessity of agreeing wilh the requests of a people, supported by the countenance of a wise and liberal prince. (Hear.) With a firm conviction in his mind, that the rights of the people were consistent with the per manency and dignity of the Crown be should second the address to his Majesty which had been proposed by the no ble Duke. The Earl of WINCHILSEA felt it incumbent on him to state his reasons why he deemed it necessary to withdraw his confidence from the present ministers of the crown. He was not actuated by a vain idea that any support of his would be of much weight to the noble earl at the head of the government; all he claimed was honesty and coasts• tency of conduct, which had induced him to withdraw his support from the present administration; it was not howe ver the great question of parliamentary reform which caused that separation. tln the very morning that the measure of reform was brought forward, he had, in a letter, stated his objections to it as far as they went, to a noble l o rd opposite. To these objections he still adhered. He was satisfied in his own mind that the measure of Reform, as it at present stood, would, if carried, be subversive of the equilibrium of that State which had been the envy of all other nations.— ( Hear from the Opposition.) He could not look upon the daring attacks which had been made on the privileges of that house without feeling dismay--attacks which bad beta COLLO. tenanted even by that part of the press which professed to be ministerial ; they were also countenanced by the noble Earl opposite, and he (Lord W'inchilses) owed it to his public character not longer to remain a supporter of a mi nistry which countenanced such proceedings. The Reform bill, he was of opinion, had been introduced under the mask of correcting abuses. No man was mote ready than he should be to render assistance to a Ministry far such a pur pose—such a principle he should strenuously support;— that support he, however, was constrained to withhold when be considered the attacks to which he had alluded, and that the ministers of the day forgot and forgave one of the most unprincipled agitators that ever disturbed the peace of any country—to set law at defiance, and placing a part of the empire in open rebellion.--(Hear.) He agreed with that part of the speech which alluded to a system of non-inter -1 fere= with foreign powers ; the more this country kept aloof from the internal arrangements of others, so much the more would its prosperity be preserved secure. It was with deep sympathy he viewed the present distressed state of Ireland, and he hoped that no party feeling would interfere between the evils of that country, and a remedy for them. _ Earl GREY felt himself called upon to say a few wards in reference to what had fallen from the Noble Earl oppo. site. That Noble Earl had stated he found it necessary to withdraw his confidence from the ministers of the crown because, by the measure of reform they had introduced, tbej contemplated to overturn the.state. He (Earl Grey) could have wished that the Noble Earl had been more explicit : the Noble Earl does not say that the people do not want reform, but that certain persons, under the mask of reform, meant to overthrow the State : a noble duke opposite echoes that sentiment. How could that noble duke support such a charge P Lord LONDONDERRY' said a few words across the table, to order. arl GREY resumed. Ile had heard the Noble Earl (Winehilsei), in his place in thur home, support reform in Parliament, and he thought there was something very in consistent in his present remarks. His Majesty's Ministers had proposed& measure of reform on a conservat ive principle to an extent which would satisfy the people. Noble Lord: would not find in that house a grater opponent to -those who would encroach upon the dignity and ptertive ache Crown, than he should prove himself to be. The greatest patriots that had existed declared themselves in favour of Alarm. When be (Earl Grey) came to town after the die. Motion of the last Parliament, be found parties who pee.. visusly were adverse to the measure bad become in (avower it, and deemed it necessary. He recollected the feelings of the country consequent upon the assertion of a Noble Dale opposite (Walingtoo) that no reform was required ; nothing bat this assertion it was, which caused the Noble Duke to retire from the Councils of the Crown; be (Earl Gre)) was then called upon to form a Ministry. Knowing well the difficulty he had to contend with, he accepted his * Majesty's gracious commands, upon the understanding that the Reform question should have his Majesty s countenance and support, well assured that no Ministry could stand unless such a measure was contemplated. All subsequent events had prayed the necessity of a Reform in the Representation of the country—(Hear),—and the Reform proposed by Minis ten was calculated to uphold the Constitution, to support the just prerogatives of the Crown, and maintain their own fights and prieUsges.—(Hear.)—lt would alai secure the lust rights of the people.—(Hear.) Hvi should like to bear tbs Noble Lords opposite mite their plan of Reform, for they must bare some one or another, as it was admitted now by every individual that some cheap was stecfassay....— (Hear, hear.) The Noble Lss had ehargedlibn(lard,llm) and those who acted with him with being hostile to the in., tercets of the establishrl ;church. Now, nothing could be more erroneous than such a suspicion. He was a sincere admirer of that church—be was a most zealous advocate of its doctrines, which he looked upon as the best ever lotro dead (hear), and he would yield to no man in wishlog to see the union between church and state maintained inviols bk.--(Hear' hear). He could assure the House that he did nor wish to eke any advantage of the church, whatever the nettle Lord opposite might think. Loid W INCH ILSEA.—I did not mean you. Lord GREY.--If the noble earl did not mean him, he willed upon him to say who be did mean. (Hear, hear.) Be would reput, no one wished to see the Protestant Church supported more than himself. (Hear.) He wished the Church of England to be upheld, and deprecated religious discus. sions on a political subject. The noble earl had alluded to granting Ca.holic emancipation ; it was the intention of that Act to abolish, if possible, religious contentions; and as We thought it yes calculated to have that e f f ect, he gave it hist support. There was nothing in the Reform Bill that could rtibjact the government, even by implication, to a charge of being opposed to the Church. They were as firm supporters of it as the noble lord himself; but they wished to see its safety rest °ruche purity of its doctrines, and the conduct of its mcmbas. They wished to see the members of that Church striving to conciliate the people. (Hear.) They were then charged, that under the pretence of introducing a Reform 8.11, they anticipated designs dangerous to the Con stitution, and that they wished to destroy the influence that House did and ought to possess. Nothing could be more opposite from their intentions—but they thought that a true balance between the different branches of the Legislature ought to be effected. He ( Lord Grey) from habits and in terest, was naturally desirous of upholding all their rights. He did not wish to propose any thing obnoxious, but cull it be said, by taking away from some noblemen the right of nominating members for corrupt boroughs (a right they never ought to have possessed), could it be said that that was infringing the privileges of that house? (Hear.) There were eight or ten noble lords exercising their influence in sending membert, to parliament, to the exclusion of the rest. The IA therefore, sas not likely to lestroy the influence of the house, but to talc!' away tie present rights of a part of its members. (Hear.) It would effectually prevent any noble Led in future going to the minister oi l the day, and saying, " There are seven of us—remember seven of us.".- 1 hat influence would be completely destroyed—(hear;) but another influence would be created. Noble lords, by their good offices towards the people, would enable them to elect a House of Commons such as it ought to be, and thus en large the influence they now enjoyed. (Hear.) It was for these reasons be supported the plan of reform. The noble lord (Winchilsea) had also complained much, of the attacks that had been made on the established church by the public press; he was not prepared to defend those attacks: but then, said the noble lord, government are remiss in not pro. scenting the journals in question. Now, the noble lord ought to be aware, before instituting a prosecution, that there were other considerations than the bare assertion of any article being libellous. ( Hear.) It was to be remembered, that if a prosecuth.n ensued. it did not put down the publication or change its character. (Hear.) If the noble lord was to try to put them down by force, he might depend upon it l'e would nut succeed. (Hear, hear.) It had been tried by former Governments, and failed. He (Lord Grey,) however, weld assure the noble lord, when any case presented itself, which was recommended by the law officers of the Crown to be prosecuted, he would not refuse his sane• den, but he was no friend to needless prosecutions; he was convinced, in slight cases, they did much harm. (Hear.) The House would, however, do him the credit to say, that where the publications wen calculated to destroy the peace of the country, he bad not sheen himself backward in or. dering legal proceedings to be taken. (Hear.) The prose cutions in Ireland had produced good effects, and the only reason of their being abandoned was on account of the Act under which they were brought having expired on the disso lution of the late parliament. (Hear, bear, hear.) It was, therefore, the opinion of the Law Officers in England, as well as in Ireland, that the Court had no jurisdiction topless sentence. It was that fact, and that alone, or the law would have taken its regular course. (Hear.) There were many precedents to be.found for adopting such a course, which he would again assure the House was the only reason for abandoning the prosecutions. They would not otherwise have been dropped. (11ear.) The noble lord opposite ex. presses his assent of the Reform Bill; he had done so seve ral times, but on all occasions he takes an opportunity of attaching the present government on its general line of po. licy. He was convinced they did not deserve such attacks. A proper time, however, would come when their acts could be fully discussed. He would not, therefore, then detain their lordships, but sit down with observing that the great measure of Reform he was convinced, if curled, would add to the peace and prosperity of the country; but should it be lost, It would, in his opinion, lead to consequences that he dare not allude to. (Loud cries of hear, hear, from all parts of the House.) Etel WINCH ILSEA rose to explain. Be certainly had great distrust in his Majesty's Government. (Hear). And what prudent man, who was anxious for the peace of his country, but what must, when some of its Members, at pub lic dinners, could give such toasts as " The Sovereignty of the People," and " The Liberal Clergy of England." When such toasts were drank by Membered the Government, it was enough to raise suspicion as to their motives. (Hem). It was enough, he would contend, to raise an alarm as to their honesty, and the danger the country was exposed to.— (Hear). So convinced was he of the great advantage from , the connection between Church and State, that be would expend the last shilling he had to preserve it. (Hear). Earl GREY said he rose in explanation. He consideted• himself personally attacked by the Noble Earl opposite, in. asmuch as he bad attacked his son for a toast, not that be had given, but one which was proposed by another person at an election dinner at which he was present. The toast, how ever, WAS not " The Sovereignty of the People"—it was " The People, from whom all Sovereign power proceeded." And where was the Noble Lord who would get up and con tend, that it was not settled at the Revolution that all power was derived from the people ? (Hear). And that the au. thority delegated to Goverunaent ought to be exercised far their benefit. With respect to the other, " The Liberal Clergy of England," that was also given at an election din ner at Northampton, to Lord Alihorp, and the Noble Lord , opposite ought to bear in mind that many toasts were even by the party with whom he associated, not much in accord. Mee with Christian charity or good feeling. (Hear). He I felt bound to say this much in explanation. The Duke of CU ‘I BERLAND said the Noble Lord (Grey) hid charged him with being adverse to the liberties of the people. (Hear.) Now he would affirm that there was no Member on the other side of the House that would fight more strenuously for liberty. (Hear.) And he would ask what act he had committed in that place to warrant a charge of hostility to the liberties dills people. (Hear.) — Their Lordships would excuse him if he felt warm (his Royal Highness spoke in a moat 'animated style), but all those who associated with him knew that his only desire in opposing the plan of Reform was to preserve the balance of power that ought to exist between King, Lords, and Com mons. When , however, that plan came before the Houpe, it should have his most areful coosideration,—(ffess.)--and he could assure their Lordships that his vote should be gives from eons letion.--(Hear, hear.) Earl GREY said a few words in explanation. Earl FALMOUTH rose amidst loud cries dada. The, confusion that prevailed rendered it impossible to bear el. reedy what the Noble Lord stated. We understood hint to complain of certain statements that had appeared in the newspapers. Earl GREY explained. He knew nattiest of what ap peered in the newspapers. What the Noble Lord elluded to was not derived by him (Lord Grey) from that source, but from the diary of Mr. Dalton. Lord WMARNCLIFFE said the present Parliament were met to discuss matters of more importance than were ever debated by the Legislature. If the address was now agreed to, It would only be giving Ministers a pretext foe further scope. He did only approve of discussion of a re. solution for an address, but be had a duty to perfeem—he knew his duty, and bad come to perform it. It was neces sary to place instances of the misconduct of ministers before the House ; although, u the case now stood, be was aware that he could not allude to the Reform bill only as a Latta of history. (Hear.) But he would say, that if the weeds el the King's Speech were to be anal up to, that bill add neve again be brought fermi. (//m.) His Ma. tsgr avi declared that be would net se any till:: en .the liberties of his sublease and be* Lord Wharuliffe) contended that the bill daMed the once which ought to be pumadiiswrt 111"111 — fee that ream he gave it his Maid He mid Not go as far as to snows he whiled to . dumpy the liberdes of the peepb, Int the hillansak did so; and la the Address they voted,lB) 04 44 m leu his Majesty se. He, Maw, on the IMMO at *ha speedithat bad been'tlellvered and the Ariaisters bad amgally.abstainstLfrom saying anadnialbstitillis.fted 11V.d.als°1441 the het Parlinennt *fie, asih on earth should hrve prevented him from moving an amend. mint—(bear).—but as they bad the good sense to omit that topic, he should vote for gut Indorse. He must, however, take that op It 'that be objected to the measures of m pod OA *bole tenour of their eon. duct. On tbe even ng V the day on which the last parlia ment was dissolved, Intended to move an address to his Majesty, as he had herlrd a day or two before that adissolu. ties wits to take rhea'; but when he was about to make his motion, in came the noble and learned lord on the wool. sack, and assigned as a reason for the step that ministers had advised the Crown to adopt, that the Commons had re fused the supplies. A reason which he would contend was not founded in fact. (Hear, hear, and order.) It was the very reverse of fact—the Commons did not refuse the sup plies. The ordnance estimates were certainly fixed for that night, but they were not called on, and the house agreed to an adjournment, but the noble od learned lord was well aware whit effect such an assertion would have in the coun try. In fact, ministers owed their success at the late elec. ' Hens to lt.-- (Cries of no, no, from the the opposition sides.) The King's name bad eo been used to influence the elec. tions. The noble lord then went into a long statement connected wbh the illuminations that followed the dissolution of the late parliament, and censured the conduct of the Home Secretary. The Marquis of LANSDOWNE vindicated the conduct of Ministen in dissolving the last parliament. An appeal had been made to the people, and the people had responded to that appeal. The Marquis of LONDONDERRY said it was an un truth in the noble and learned lord on the woolsack declaring that the Commons refused the supplies: (hear.) It was hearing such an assertion that caused him (Lord London derry) to evince so much warmth on the last day of par liament. He was a man that liked the plain truth : Daughter.) He had looked ■t his majesty's speech, and he thought the only thing Important in it was the anxiety of government about the cholera morbus : (great laugh ter.) He never knew a speech so barren on all subjects of policy. Lord MELBOURNE defended himself from the charge brought against him by the noble lord (Wharnclifle), whom he declared would neva have btougbt it bad he known the circumstances of she case. Lord WHARNCLIFFE and Lord MELBOURNE mutually explained. The Marquis of CLEVELAND and Lord M %NS FIELD rose at the same time, amidst loud cries of "Ques tion, question." In the confusion, Lord KENYON said—" My Lords, I move that Lord Mansfield be now heard." Lord HOLLAND opposed the motion being pressed. Lord KENYON then spoke on a point of order, after which Lord MANSFIELD addressed their Lordships. Redid not think the advice respecting the illuminations to have! been so very sound, especially as some of th e p u bli c o ffi ces had been illuminated. He could not but concur In many parts of the address, and as it did not pledge their lordships to any thing, it was unnecessary for him to object to any part of it. The present ministers had come into office on the 1 principle of reform ; but he decidedly objected to the man ner in which they had urged forward the reform Bill. He had particularly to complain of the conduct of the Govern. I mint towards Mr. O'Connell, showing that individual to be more powerful than the Government Itself ; conduct which I I no man would believe was not the result of some promise directed or implied. He had also to complain of what he feared had been matter of bargain—the proposed payment of the Catholic clergy out of the revenues of the state. He likewise condemned the manner of the dissolution of Parlia ment. I was one in a hurry wholly unprecedented since the time of Cromwell. But it seemed it was requisite to excite, and to induce the belief that there had been insult. Was there not a noble lord's notice of motion (Londondery's) for an address to the throne--an address to which it was known would have been carried ? Had the existence of that notice been communicated to the King ? If not, had the minis. ten done their duty to his Majesty ? And he also com plained of the conduct of the Lord Chancellor on that oc. casion—conduct that ever since rankled in his mind.— but the dissolution was attributed to the stoppage of the supplies • he should like to know whether the dissolution had not becn resolved on six hours previously. Be the fact as it might, the King's name bad been made a most impro per use of, especially in representing the King to be a re. former and an approver of the bill. Approval to introduce a bill had before been given, when some of the present mi. nisten were before in office but that approbation was withdrawn, and the ministers dismissed; so that the sanction to introduce the bill proved nothing. The Sovereign ought not to be placed in the situation in which ministers had pla ced the present king. The ministers had directed all the indignation of the country against the Aristocracy and the Clergy ; was that just ? He admitted that many defects existed in the representation, but (though no moderate Reformer,) he was against the sweeping and wild reform now sought, and which gave the semblance of fairness to systematic injustice I—(hear)--and in support of it the most violent threats were held out; one of which was, that the power of the Crown should be exerted to create a great number of new Peers. (Hear.) In conclusion, he could not but remark that all the mums of the present Government Lad some bow the approbation of the most disaffected in the country. (Hear.) ot3z The Marquis of CLEVELAND observed, that though he was favourable to the bill, his windows had suffered in common with the Noble Earl's; therefore, what inference could be drawn from the excesses on that mead= ? The Marquis of LONDONDERRY and Earl GREY having explained, The LORD CHANCELLOR said, he had always been prepared to grapple with an opponent when be could meet with him. So far from the resistance of the supplies having been the cause of the dissolution, he hesitated not to declare, that his Majesty had been previously advised to dimly* the Parliament. Even a commission far the purpose had beat prepared. There was no want of the excitement—to produce it had been no pan of the wish of the Government. The proowding: in the Commons on the night preceding the ' dissolution justilcd that proceediag. He was charged with haring run out of the house. But why had he quitted the house ? He was then anunoned by the Black Rod to mind his Majesty, who bed wired at the house. However, he bad toimplore awn to listen calmly to the Bill, when it should cos* before than ; but be mat also beg of them to avoid the inconvenient practke of discussing a measure before it was brought 'forward. As to the elections, They had been wholly left to the people by the ministers : there had been some extrasedinavy interruptions on the part of official indi viduals—but had they been removed ? Had they ma been =to ? No; as dadtons w ere th e guinnoint to keep ves Eames of unfair It was dodged that lie nadate bed formai, base dismissed for 1° 0 , 0 41 a YIL, k 1911.1" at the idelery hod been omitted. n the coati urn MI is Virg, not only was that bill thrown out by sisif, hait-ap/RI men e, but a pledge was required that naMeg of the Me'world again be pro posed—a pledge, the akenednadasl -character of which the ministers resisted, and on account of width the party bad remained out of office for upwards of 10 long That Secret influence could at now exert itself : it had tried, but the door was not even found a-jar. There bad not been I room to put in even a Sager. Complaint bad she been muds of the adept of the Mag's name. The minister's bad brought forward a with the king's sanction= but what had been the egaiaa of others ? Had they not said.— lad Printed—and Anil alma tie king's will on the abject in the most unermareable awns ? Had it• not been de clared, and most induddeuelp, afloat both houses of podia ment, that the king andd.naldfassiwe the parliament Atm not that making a most agniper - calm of the king's name The noble and learned lea aneindled by stating that the forks themselves hid mob nee se the king's name both in and out of parliament act hawse seemions. Lord FARNHAM dolled that the present distutbances in Ireland were not to blurldbuted to political cameo. He contended that the late Web for political offences ought not to have been dropped. The Coon of King's Bench was the only tribunal where the, mishit to have been dssed of. Th. noble lord then entered foe a lengthened &Ha of what he conceived to be the true senses of the existing Maros in Ireland. Lard PLUNKETT Lan the odds Wren (Fainbass) credit fir wharfs bilevedle be bath in all oat. we Wand I beareva t be dbyad great Vilseet, Thtnebb snd lemsd lard ether detailed y if die passeentimit esti= Ma O'Cannell, and due men wby is - bed boo IN Ni de by his 'netjaety's geeteneeent. _ _ Albs skw words tease the Wasp of Paula sad. Load Repo, es Addams was pt wad sarded." QP ea isserkst lad ORM do Derv& at /Warns. Hay was 411101 . 11 Chihli,' d ovgseePool 41I VIlosse than adlierptipeiNtii,o'ClAck. HOUSE OF COMMONS. The Speaker took the Chair at twelve o'clock, for the t iro eof enabling members to take the Oaths and their Soon after two o'clock, the House was summoned to attend the House of Pcers. At half.past three o'clock the Speaker resumed the Chair. Other members were sworn. After four o'clock the usual Sessional orders were moved. STANDING ORDERS OF THE SESSION. Mr.HUNT, on that resolution regarding the Peers' Inter. ferenee in Elections, gave notice that to.morrow he should move that it be rescinded. lord J. RUSSELL asked what wu to be moved in its stead ? Mr. HUNT said he had no objection to state; the fact of Peers' interference was known. He should move that the following resolution be substituted, namely— " That it is a high i n f r i ngement o f the liberties and pd. vileges of the Commons of the United Kingdom, and a grow invasion of the rights of the people, for any Lord of Parlia. ment, or other Peer or Prelate, to interfere, either directly or indirectly, in the election of a member to serve in the Commons House of Parliament." If that were carded, he should move a clause to this effect in the Reform Hill— . " And be it further enacted, that from and after the 31st day of December, 1831, that if any Lord of Parliament, or other Peer or Prelate, shall be guilty of the crime of inter fering, either directly or indirectly, in the election of any member to sit and serve in the Commons Douse of Perlia. ment, such peer shall, for such unlawful interference, be ad. judged, upon conviction, to pay a fine to the State of ten thousand pounds, and be imprisoned in the Tower for the space of one year. And if any peer be convicted a second time of • similar crime, he shall be adjudged to pay a fine to the State of twenty thousand pounds, and be imprisoned in his Majesty's gaol df Newgate for the space of two years; and if any peer shall be convicted a third time of a similar crime, such peer shall be degraded from the peerage, his title shall become extinct, and the culprit shall be transported be yond the seas for his natural life." This was received with some laughter, but he said it was no laughing matter ; he should propose these matters to prove the sincerity of the house to promote reform. On the resolution regarding strangers, Mr. HUNT suggested that it also be rescinded. It was violated daily by the officers of the house. He did not wish to exclude strangers—he wished ten times the number gene rally assembled could be present—but he did not desire nugatory, nominal, and farcical orders to be retained: to morrow he should move its abolition—no good could result from continuing it. Lord ALTHORP said it was moat important that the strangers who attended should be known to be attending on sufferance. Inconvenience from the continuance of the or. der had not been experienced; why then rescind it 2 Mr. ATWOOD considered the order to be useful. Mr, O'CONNELL said the remedy was easy. Let the stranger who might be pointed out by any Member be taken into custody. The present House was not elected by the passions but returned by the good sense. of the peo ple, and he hoped real business would be done. Original order agreed to. On the order that the thoroughfares to the house be kept clear, Mr. HUM E complained that that they had not been kept clear; there were well dressed persons about, whether they were police or not he did not know, but he had been unable to get to the house. All the orders were agreed to, 1 • r, I . [.• .ge • I 0 1, , 1 I i 1 , 1 P , I li i . . o , i. .. , 4 V ~ .:. • /II . , . rtil .: I t'' I I / i •Pj 1 . ! , 1 ' I 1 `'''. 1 i • t. i 1 I . 1 i 1 •31 1 : ,:f 1 I i I' I In rising to second the ships that he had deco • question of parliarneo there was no subject so was a great advantage the noble duce who as self to dune topics wb j.i 1 It was satisfcctory to 4 , . of the country with re 1 that it gave promise of for the support of oath doubt their uniform at would cut nn the etre , upon She consolidation i , tubate that the easter& been %strutted by tl peteot to decide, to his Majesty's tninistq ruvAsz HILLS. --- Lord ALTHORP moved that the last day for petitions for private bills, be June 27. Mr. Alderman WOOD asked what would be the fate of those bills previously before the House. Lord ALTHORP said the precedent of 1807 would be followed. (Hear, hear.) His Lordship then moved that there be no first reading after July 4, and no report after July 2b.—Agreed to. azroax BILL. Lord J. RUSSELL gave notice, that on Friday next be should move for leave to bring in a Bill to amend the tepee. gestation of England and Wales.—(Loud cheers.) Mr. PORTMAN said he should move for leave to bring in a Bill to amend the Acts regarding the highways in Eng land.—(Much laughter.) Mr. Alderman WOOD said, on Thursday week, be should renew his motion regarding the salaries of members of Government. He should also renew his motion regarding the bill for the better prevention of canine madness.—Loud laughter.) Mr. C. GRANT gave some notice about the India trade, when Sir R. PEEL stated, that on the same day be should pre. sent a petition from the inhabitants of India, regarding the India trade. THE ADDRIAS ON THE ROYAL /PIECE. The SOLARIS having read the Royal Speech, Mr. PELHAM! (who appeared in military costume) rose to move the address. He should propose that the house do adopt an humble address to their Sovereign, who was so de. serving of, and so beloved by, his people. (Cheers.) His Ma. jesty had stated, In his most gracious speech, that his reason for dissolving the late parliament was, •• for the purpose of ascertaining the sense of hispeople on the expediency of a reform in the representation. , ' I think that was a good rea son, for when I consider that at a time when every person out of doors was in the expectation—the legitimate expecta tion—of a reform in parliament, his Majesty's ministers were defeated in this house by a majority of only one, in reference to that LW, and afterwards on a collateral point by only a small majority—thus defeating the measure berme it could be discussed in committee. When I consider these things, Ido not indeed see how his Majesty's ministers could have ad vised the Sovereign to take any other step. (Cheers.)—. I will put it to the Honourable Members on the other side, if the Ministers bad, with the su p -t of the people, with the confidence of his Majesty, rest their office—l will put it to them to tell me who would ve undertaken, with them- Adam of the people's support, to conduc. the iiovemment.— (loud cheers)--when every person out of doors was Map& whin that the Reform Bill would be passed, and I do stir suppose, that those hoomuable gentlemen would themselves have brought forward the same plan. (Hear). I think the result most triumphantly establishes the truth of whet I have just said, and shows in • very striking light the 'Weft of his Majesty's Ministers. Out of 82 English 01110 e, Members t•hare been returned, 76 are pledged to sapput the reform bill. Out of 88 members of the great towns,d sat pledged to its support; and I may be accused of vanity wiled I spak of myself, yet, when I moiled that althoigh I was in this Biome repressntiag only a small borough, and was 1 1 11=112 spin to ferment it, I was calkd'on by the her o( one of the largest counties isi England, to come forward against my wish, against that of my femil , to be. come their representsdm—in opposition to a much private respectahlihy, whihod been a long doe OW bet of this House, and whose father was a sesenher kr the county before him. Ido say that my eked. Isr so pig& ions sad influential a county Is pa mesa pent d A m = lark of the Reform Bill. It os *he ut, too, to the b esearsble ex-member for Cfpwall s who Jew fides that be would move an anseadment is the OK sod Abe gallant member who did mom as anestheent. west both rejected by a most alamphset wink, on their appeal to their cosatinients. ( Her, • both) His Ma jesty is next pissed to state that u the 1111=001111 d friendly disposition which esatiane at he sesetired ism all fore* powers, essoserge the hope that, menridt standing the civil oommegthe which bon dieneirst some parts ot Hamm spd the matest now adobe Is Pa. keg, the penal pease wM he maintained." Thee we, es.. iota in rebid I numb klerstat. The came of that war, teo, is very dbilesethig. Hat I believe that his napiesty's minis. ten wadi Set bii *tilled in recomswaing Ms majesty to follow moy other come than that aseodas ha sm (beer, hies) His majesty sest inns to the thee hem taken plan es the ankh, d Delgivm. thew blithe have bees model with a dl adty that is as yet ethebeded. 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