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PARLLIILEAT.I Rr PROCEEDINGS. HOUSE OF LORDS, MAY 11. fn the Appeal " The Earl of Wernyss v. Maegneen," Mr. Connell was farther heard for the Respondent. Fu - tier hearing on Friday. Mr. Wiamt rox, and several other Members of ese Haase of Cummors, bronpht up the Militia Pay Bill, the 4ub-, alterns Bill, the Militia Adjutants Bill, the Irish Militia Pav Bin, and the irish Stamp Duties Bill, which were rend a first time. DUCIILSS OF BRUNSWICK. • • Lord HAWKESBURY presented a Message from his Ma jesty for a Grant to the Duchess of Brunswick, similar to that preiented last night to the House of Commons. On his Lordship's ruction, h:., Majesty's most groe'fr.:s Message was Ordered to he taken into consideration to-morrow, and the Lords to be summoned. The Earl of LAUDERDALE sul)selluently :ales' :IC account of the sum intended to be moved ? Lord HAWKESBURY observed that it was not usual to mention the sum is that Home as that would be moved it the House of Commons in a ConUnlttee of Suppi , merely to Move a general vote of concurrenm. He Bat, I:owevcr, in•hesi tution,to state that the sum interact,' was 10,0001. a ye:.r. The Earl of LAUDERDALE said, be merely - asit.d for infor . 'nation. REVERSION MU.. The Reversion Bill passed through a Committee, and was re ported without arneut7ment. The &r 1 of LAUDE RDAI.E thought the words in the pre amble, referring to inquiries now pending in the Home of Com mons, were objectionable, tbtir Lordships being unintormed of the tnture and extent of ttase inquiries, Ile intended to mention tills subject again on the third reading. t he Bill was ordered to be read a third time to-morrow, and the Lords to be summoned. ADIVNISTRATION OF JUSTICI: IN SCOTLAND. On the third reading of the Scots Judicature Bill, The Earl of LAUDERDALE regretted i thst after the subject had been so long before tht House so little slieuld be done by this ihll, and rartkalarly that no reg ulation was made with respect to the , Court of Tiecds. -- 'I'I;e7LORD CHANCELLOR thought that :.()thing sl.ould be done with respect to 'llends until after a judicial decision as to the rights of the Clergy. As to the Bill's doing little, he thought that it did enough at present, and that it was the better mode to make the reform gradual, or even that it should be too gradual, rattht r than too precipitate. The Earl of LAUDERDALE said, he only meant a regulation with respect to the Court of Tiends, and rot the litho: thent,elve , . He wished also that something more had been doge with respect to the introduction of Trial by Jury. I.ord HAWKESBURY defended the Bill, which he thought would tend to operate a material reform in the Administration of Justice le Scotland. With respect to Trial by Jury, the House was not yct ripe for deciding that point, nor did he believe that it was sufficiently understood in Scotland. The Bill was read a third time, passed, and ordered to the Com mons. Adjourned till to-morrow (this day). HOUSE OF COMMONS. The Hon. Annus ros Coots ANL and Mr. Ho LATE s took the;t coats for Grampound. Sir ARTHUR WELI-F-SIST obtained !care to bring in a Bill to Regulate the Fees of Persons discharod for Felonies in _ _ _ Mr. LONG presented an Account of the number of Men. wanted to complete the Volunteer Force of the Country to i s original strength, on the 24th April last.—Ordered to lie on the Tiihle. Mr. 34E1.1 .ISH presented a petition from theWatermens' Con pany of London, against the pending hill for Building a I;ridge over the Tharnes, near the Savoy.—Referred to the CQuunittse on the Bill. Mr. FOSTER moved for several Papers rery ecting the Public Accounts for Ird:incl.—Ordered. SIR HOME POPHAM. Mr. LIISHINGTON moved for a Copy of a Letter from the Right Hon. Charles Long to his Majesty's Proctor, dated the 31St of July, 17PS, respecting the ship Etruscoe—Ordered. Mr. LONG moved for a copy of a Letter front his Maje.ty'.. Trotter to the Secretary of the 'Treasury, about the wean date, respecting thc said ship—Ordered. Mr. HUSKISSON presented the Ale and Spirit Lic.enee Duty Bill.—Read the first time, and ordered for the second reading on Monday. Mr. MAXWELL BARRY postponed, until the next Session of Parliament, the Bill of which he gava- notice -A the etue of the last Session, for amending the Laws respecting Election of 'Men - , hers of Parliament in Ireland. WEST•INDIA TRADE. Mr. ROSE gave notice of a motion on Friday next for Corn mittee of the whole House, to consider of the propciety of permit-. ling the exportation of Coffee and Suga r from the West Tidies, to countries Southward of Cape Finiste rre—also of a similar motion for a Committee to consider the duty on coffee in this country. The Irish Post-Office Lands bill was committed, ami ordered to be reported to-morrow. SUPPL:FS. The House resolved itself into a Comntittee of Supply; and Lis Alajesty's Message referred to the Committee r.stereloy, being read, The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHF.QI 7 ER rose, and, after some preliminary obwrvations, said it would be recollected by the House, that the illustrious Puke of Erotism ick fell in a cause closely allied to the interests of this country, as well as that of the independence of Europ. He should, however, urge this consi deration less to House, than that her Royal Highness was CI arty related to our gracious Monarch ; and that rot only de privcd of her illustrious Consort, but driven from his terriiiries by the calamitous di.,astcrs of war, and destitute of any provilon for her support, she was obliged to seek an asylum in bar br dominions—and in fact, to throw herself into his vrnt.i and , into those of her native country, for protection. Of the elieurail ness with which the Committee would he reosly to comply with the tezommendation of his Majesty in her behalf, he had the fullest conviction ; and the enly point on which he felt ary difficulty, was the amount to propose. His Majesty, he was confident, never intended by the recommendation, any thing immoderate; hat he was sore Parliament, on such an occasion, would not be disposed to a penurious limitation of its own irenem-ity, for the sz.ke of swing a few hundreds. It appeared to his ;Val.:sty 's Mi nisters, that the nation should not, for its own hooonr, on this occasion, exercise any thing like a niggardly parsimony, and that sum of 10,0001. per annum, compared with the rank and cir cumstances of the illustrious object of national liberality at this moment, would be by no means unreasonable. For tl.i , sum, therefore, he should take the liberty of moving, in full rt fiance on the ready acquiescence of the Committee ; and, as a tempo nary provision had been made for her Royal Highness hitherto, out of hit Majesty's civil list, it would be also requisite to make provision for the reimbursement of the sum advanced on that account. Mr. WHITBREAD rose, not to make the slightest objection to the motion of the Honourable Gentleman—he most readily concurred in the provision prep,:sed for the Illustrious Personage. His motive for rising was, that as the Right Honourable (.t.n tit wan had taken an ("poi tunity of stating, that the late Duke of ninswick fell in a cause slowly allied with the interests of this eountry and the indepekdi flee of Europe, he could not suffer such an aNsertion to pass witticuedrclaring what was the fact, namely that so far from the rause of Prussia, in which he fall, or the war ith that country was ingrgrd, being allied to the interests of t his country, Prussia Was in open war with us; and so Ex tr ni being allied to the independence of Europe, he considered the revival of that Confederacy, in which the King of Prussia was mil,4gsd, as the most fatal source of all the calamities, and Cr, Mud sotijugAion which E4rope l.t.d since sustained. • • Lord NIORPETH admitted that no gond understanding sub sisted between Prussia and thiSectxtry at ;he time of the Duke of Brunswick's death. Cerra srertions had, nowever. been made upc a all occasions by the litle of Branswick to; the in ttrtzts of Croat Eritaio and whoever had been in 'Brunswick &mid conßrin how much the Puke had the oat* of Eogkand-at -u-rt. General TARI.EI ON weseed;.-16 eneontitens upon the che- . , _fur and military explcits of the hue Enke of Brnesvrick, an d • tt at be bad rendered ineportzut services to toe aunt. of tbie et ruy, perticularty in tie sevro years and in Huilkod,mhers, 1 y the rapidity of f.is movrmerte, /se sere!e a itritisb army. fie: t.bilkeed the hostility is; tt.e King of nose.» Iguies; titit cotmtsy involuntary. • •. • • ' • Afters few Wit& ?roes the CHANCELLORof the EXCH.& clUdift, the sod passed In the affirmative. Mr. HI/SRISSON MCP proceeded to move a variety' of sews under various heads of supply, and fast ail the sums 'teethe Civil Establishments of our Foreign Colonies and Plantations, amongst which were,. Fo: that of New South Wales ......... ZIi e SSS For Sidra Leone • • 10,9T0 For New South Wales, to answer hills ,. 14,490, Also, for the purchase of buildings for the new/ 23,001 t ts itairovemen near Pabce-yard ...... •••••• Military Roads in Scotland Roads and Bridges hi the Scotch Highlands Lbw-chary& for the year ..... I .evant Company To tnalde I . ..s,Majezty to make good a sum bor./ 4,024,X0 rowed on, gxelar g uer.Bills last year The Chairm.an was ordered to report to-morrow. Sir C. PULE gave notice of a motion on Monday for leave to bring in a litlt - the better to regulate the distribution of Prize- Money and the.Drolts of Admiralty. Mr. FOSTER. moved for an Account of the Monthly Balances belonging to Cr.venavnent in the hands of the Company of the Baatic of Ireland for the last year.--Ordered. He abo moved for an Actount of the Monthly Balances in she Irish Eachequer during the same period.—Ordered. ASSESSED TAXES. Mr. PERCEVAL rose to move fur leave to bring in a Bill for Regulating the Collecting of the Assessed and Property Taxes.— The objects of the Eill were, to provide for an uniform execution pf the law in difil:rent districts; to prevent vexatious surcharges on the part of the officers; and to procure the more speedy col lection of the revenue. With a view to this last great object, it was proposed, that the collecting should begin after the appeals nu the original assessments were beard and determined, and the period for bringing these appeals was to remain as before. And with respect to the appeals on stirchamee, a longer period Wall to be given which might easily be done, an the revenue would be gin to be collected sooner than before, when none took piaci! till all sorts of appeals were - disposed of. The punishment of an offi cer for vexatious surcharges was a point with regard to Which gr,at caution was necessary, as it v. as to the activity of these offi cer, that we were to trust for the prevention of evasions. The complaints against them were of en tint...untied. When the Com rniesioner on the oath of the party elisinisuci the surcharge, the officer was by law entitled to an action, and it had often happen ed, that upon commencing the action, the charge had been im mediately acceded. What he meant to propose was, that the per son aggrieved should, on bringing an action and proving a vexa tious surcharge, recover a penalty of 1:14:0, or three times the amount of the assessment, at his option ; that be should besides have double costs, awl that the officer convicted should be ips facto discharged. No grievance had peen so sericusly felt as the different methods in which the Act had beta ext. uted in the dif ferent districts. To remedy this, it Was intended to appoint Chi Commissioner in I ondon, with power to assemble the other Commissioners, to res,iew their proecediegs, and to corm-simnel with the Tax Office. The number of the London CotlltriS. sioners were to be increased, and there were prevision for re moving doubts on different poiets. He concluded by moving for leave, &c. Mr. WARDELL said, that that would certainly co a great way to answer the purpose, although it was net complete. Mr. SPENCER STANHOPE observed, that the great defect of this Bill was, that It did not provide an easy remedy foe small surcharges on small property ; for the principal impression on the publicmind was made by small but vexatious aarges, fur which it was not worth while to bring actions. Mr. W. SMITH observed, that the great object ought to be, to relieve the public ; and for this purpose a smaller punishntent and a more prompt execution would be preferable. In ninety-nine cases' out of or.e hundred, he was persuaded that this action wuuld be a mere bruteattfulnurt, and no prosecutions would rake place except in rat ttsrchazges. PERCEVAL replied that the d , üble costs would induce an attorney to bring an action fur my poor than who made out a clear caes.4e-lisonte granted. • *LSTNIINSTF.II ELECTION. Sir FRANCIS BURDETT rose, and said,: that he had waited till the House was tolerably well tilled, in order to call. their attention to the situation in v: kick he then stood, with respect to some circum stances in which he conceived the privileges of die House were concerned. The subject. Whic h -he wished; to .bring under the review of the House, was.a sion lately given in the Courts below, in an action. brought against him by the High Bailiff of Westmin: ster. At the last election he had been nominated a • Candidate fpr Westminster by some of the . electors, without his knowledge ; and he had only heard of it. when the election had-been alinost concluded.„..No law or custom had been shown to prove that, in sash a case, the Candidate was liable for the espencei of the hustings, and yet the Judge had directed the Jury to find a verdict against him, on no better ground than that he had taken I.is seat in that House. How was the taking his seat in that House to make him liable ? He conceived that was not a voluntary act ; but that it had' been Bore in obedience to the writ by which a person was compelled to tai t e•his seat, or subject himself to pains and - penalties. - The infe rence, therefore, that - he was liable op this account,. he apprehended, was not warranted. But the Judge kad said, he who had the benefit of the seat ought to pay. What could he mean by the benefit of a seat in that House ? It certainly was no bzneSt to a per son, but a heavy duty on him, who did that duty con scientiously. The constitution had certainly been in many instances lost sight cf, but he was surprized that a Jute should lay it down as 'a law that a Per son should be subjected to penalties for fulfilling a duty which he was compelled by law to perform. - Ho was not indeed, so much astonished at his describing a seat in that House as a benefit, since he himself had found it so by its serving him for a stepping-stone.— There appeared a sort of inaptitude ia Judges on these occasions ; for in Lord Raymond's Reports, it was said that the Judges did not understand the laws of Parliament. Yet this was so plain a case, that he was surprised how there could be any mistake on the subject. He did not, however, mean to find fault with this decision. It was nothing to him----but it was very important to the electors of Westminster, and material in respect of the privileges of that House. He stated the case, merely in order to have the ad vice and direction of the House, whether lie ought to comply with the demand that was to be made on him. He desired this, that he might, if possible, prevent their constitutional privileges being violated in his person. Mr. PE RCEVAL requested the pardon of the House, if he so far transgressed form, as to state the impression on his mind with respect to this matter:— In his opinion, the Honourable Baronet had made out no case in ulna the House could at all interfere. If he was right in his law, and the Judge was wrong, he had been ill advised iw not having adopted the means of having the sentence reviewed in a legal Manner. The• Jury had been led to give their ver dict in conseluence of the opinion of the Judge, that the perso n who acted for the committee for carrying on the Honourable Baronet's election, was to be co»si dered as the Honourable Baronet's Agent. Whether that opinion, as -to the Agency, was right or wrong, the sentence could not be reviewed • in that House.— The regglar mode, would have heea to move for a pest , trial, of by tendering a bill of exceptions, to have the cansc Carried through all the Courts of Appeal, ff ht-ilid* . not take that course,and had alre:..dy moved fin-"a new triil and falled",-there was no reme(t7. This House could not interfere in the business either one way er another. The only remedy was in the rego-tj las' legal course, and if the Honourable Baronet h ' neglected to avail himself of that,it was his own fault.- CURWEN paid some distinguished compli slant to the judgment and honour of the Learned Judge, and ventured to say, that , upon investigation of this business, both would become conspicuous. The SPEAKER said the business had undoubtedly been submitted to the House, by the Hon. Baronet, with the most perfect regularity. The Hon. Ba ronet had done his duty in offering the question to the consideration of the House. It was a matter of grave inquiry,. as going to affect the privileges of the House,. and the conduct of a Judge of high rank and. authority. If he had received any previous infirmly tion of the Honourable Baronet's intention to submit such a motion, he should have made it his business to . inform himself thoroughly as to the most advisable mode of proceeding. Not having any idea of the matter, however, till it had been mentioned in the House, he could only state his impression from what had since occurred to him. His idea on the whole was, that it would be most advisable * far the Hon. Baronet to wait till he should see what practical con sequences were likely to result from the proceeding to which he had alluded, and if he fcund it to be such as in his judgment gave him cause to complain, as of a breach of privilege, he could not be too soon in bringing it again - before the House, and asking its interference. Sir F BURDETT expressed his regret if he had been guihy of any thing irregular, in not informing the Speaker of his intention to bring the matter for ward. preytous to his moving it. Here the matter dropt. DOCTOR rwrGt..l: AV. Mr. BARHAM, in rising to make the motion, of which-he had giver. notice, on the appointment of Dr. Patrick - Dnigenan to be one of his Majesty's Most Honourable Privy Council for Ireland, disclaimed being actuated in the slightest degree by personal or party motives. He was aware how humble an indi vidual he was, but the matter on which he had to move the House, was of such magnitude as to make good the deficiency in point of importance under which the Advocate laboured. He addressed the House in the full conviction that if the motion he had to offer should be received in the manner he wished and hoped, it would have great effect in allaying the irritation produced by a recent vote. of that licuse, (the curtailment of the allowance to Maynooth ,Col lege). The thing itself to which he had to - call the attention of the House war of little magnitude ; but its influence on the feelings .of the Catholics; was great, and greater in proportion as it was found that they were irritated with so little hesitation for a pur pose of such trifling moment. If the Right Hon.., Gentleman opposite (the Chancello r of the Excite,. quer) wished not to he considered as regarding the - Catholics of Ireland as his enemies, o<r to be regar ded as an enemy by them, he would pause before he would carry into effect an appointment so offensive to them. If, by bringing forward this motion, he could produce that effect, he was satisfied hishouli• do a great public service. But even if he' shbuld Suit: be able to carry theinotion, he was convinceclahe cussion must be beneficial. For he was not-one of: those who deprecated the ifrscussion of the Irish Ca tholic Question. It was material that the R 0111 3 .11 Catholics, even though they obtained not the rights to whieh,they were e,nd, should know thcyhad friends in that House on whom they could rely, For if at any time they should have reason to think that they were objects of no regard or consideration, their groans would be deep though not loud, and it would be soon evinced by some dreadful convulsion, that nothing was so dangerous as the salts* a disconteneed people.—rifiar! hear !)- , The chin establishmeet Ortreland was a perfect anomaly forced on thb ple. The established and beneked CleTgyinft often .t6titaltt , duties to perform ; and the Catholic people ,`,worts often without Clergymen to administer the rites oj' religion to them. Thus there 'were posors with out flocks, and flocks without pastors. This situation of a country presented to an enlightened Legislature ground's of peculiar tare and attention, Ist a power ful and artful enemy should find the means of con verting to his own interests the discontents to which, without that care, the situation was naturally liable. What ought to be done to remedy this state of af fairs, it was not easy to say, at least it was not easy to getall twit to. agree on the remedy: but what ought norm be done was matter of clear and univer sal assent.- The feelings and passions of the mass of the people thus subject to an establishment of a dif ferent communion, ought not to be irritated by petty provocations. It must be universally allowed, that neither Government nor Parliament ought to sanction the-larguage of those who. described so great a body of the subjects as enemies to the St at e. . He thought highly in many respects of the character and abilities of the present Ministers ; but this high character tended only to give a more perniciousintluence to the unhappy prejudices which they entertained on one . most material point. He . was satisfied, that if the powerul and artful enemy of this country were to chase the Administration most favourable to his designs against us, it would be an Administration which, with good character and dispositions, was yet stained with prejudices which must make them be regarded as ene mies by the bulk of the people. As nothing could be more beneficial than thintitience of pure seligion, so nothing•conld be more pernicious, than the effects el that religion that caught hold of the passion s . Th e one exalted man above his nature, .the other degraded him beneath the level of the brutes: Hie would not search into dictionaries for' explanations of the word ." TOLERATION." He would boldly appeal to the as sembly he was addressing, . and ask if there could he toleration in this age, without exemptions and restric tions. This was what every man who dischawed his duty to the state was entitled to. He wouldre . cal to the recollection of the House the . saltititry, e f fe c t s produced by the ab o li t i on . o f religious distinc tions in Silesia by Frederick the Great,. when Oat proviuce came under his dominion in a state $6 440: plorable distraction, from that cause... In: 4 *de time such was the concord, that the Prafiestants . used the same church in the afternoon ithich. - the Catholics used in the morning, and vice sumo. He did not say this was practicable or desirable in Ireland. But he would say, that the rnajurity supporting an establish ment of a different rekgion, ought to be protected in the 'full and fair ez rcise of their own The precepts, of the benign Anti or of the Christian religion . direc, cd to love each oth. r, and to view oar Mutual • erfors Lpeith_iod , If the correction of errant was te , the means of the correction should b e i t iaele..- A too earnest zeal, particularly if sezz.ndcd by political rigours on one side, and political beacfvs on de zither, could only make proselytes of a knaves. .!The advantages of the system of relaxat: . a . adoptedin the present reign, was extensively fel: " :1 A t substitution of enlightened Catholics for fuetr. : , bigois. The Catholics of this day had no hos t ility the State, as in the. times when the restrictions v e re established, and. in Subseqteept times when the restric. .tions served to keep that hostility alive. He depre. cared the too close union of power with the estabkl.. ed religion, and feared th'e - religion, as well ac c, State and the Country, would suffer .from such an union. He could not think ill of a religion that had produced 'some of the best men that ever breathe J, .and some of the.ablest4erenders of the Christian re. Fenelon and a Pascal ; and he could not help condemning in, a Chancellor of an Irish University, at the present day, the study of the narrow polemics of the dark ages. He did not mean to hurt the feelings of the Learned Doctor. He-gave. him credit for Kee. rity in the language he uttered on a recent-mat:km; and he was not without some-hopes, to which report gave strength, that the Learned Doctor, feebl. ; Low obnoxious thatlanguage Was, and how offensive i:is appointment to be a Privy Councillor would:en :Ci f :: it, wi,uld himself disclaim it, and withdraw from that appointment. If the Learned Doctor should act in that manner, such conduct would m:.ke liinu nwee truly right honourable in his eyes, than any of birth or title, hOwever great: He moved, That rher 4 be bud before the liouaiCopi-s of tl.e Corr'spon. &nee between the lord Lieutenant of Inland and the'Sreretaty of State, relative to the propriety of appoiming Pa. rick Thilizen a ,,, I.L.D. tobe out of his Zvlaje cy's M at Hot t or.:ble Privy Coen: for Ireland. The question being put,.the SPEA KER was alout to declate Ike aente of the House to be against the motion, when, Mr. W. IVYNNE rose. He had expected to hear some reason offered for an appointment likely to be attended with so much mischief. The necessity of the presence cf the Learned Doctor for the dispatch of ecclesiastical business in the Privy Council, which was alledged Itie other night, was a mere empty ex. cuse, for the Privy Connell of Ireland exercised no ecclesiastical jurisdiction Whatsoever. lie looked upon this appointment as precisely similar netive and effect to the appointment of Mr, Giffard. When the Catholics. were not encouraged to hope ler all the rights to which he and many others thought them en titled, at least care. ought to be taken to avoid u hat would hive the - appearance of - studiously irritating 'and insult,ine Them. " Sir .ARTHUR W , ELLESLEY declared, th a t the . Ifoitintrelik and Learned Gentleman so frequent. to on this occasion, had not himself made any application .whatsoever for the appointment which it had been thought fit to extend to him; The appointment had_been recommended on the ground that ere Honourable and Learned Gentleman filled the officeofffudge of the Prerogative Court,. the hol ders :Of which, . with the exception of tile Learned fleecier's immediate. predecessor, had sat in the Privy There : was. a great deal of ecclesiastical business relating to the union and disunlen of bent& r oes before the Privy Council. Glebe hou ses had be. come mattered: more extensive care, in consequence of an . act brought by his predecessor (Sir J. Newport) last year. The presence of.the Judge of the Piero. gative Court was essential to the diepatch of. this by. shims.' The Appoihtmerkt beinenecessary, there was nothieg in the _character of the Honourable and Learned Gentleman, to sender it improper.;. The Honourable Gentleman may have allowed his zeal for the established Church to.cazry himinTo language too warm, and perhapss indiscreet,, but that was re, reason wily he should-tot be called to the service of GosternMent,,whete he was pecqiarly fitted to cio ser. vice. 'llie...Honeurable Gentleman was rot likely,to be a geeetal adviser of ,thee I,ord Lieenenant of Ireland, or to he celled upon fier his ;deice. He was to be a Privy _tOunclllor.. for ecclesiastical aS'airs, (a largh). Excessive zeal Wns aften the cause of indiscreet lan guar on both Sides of the House, and every example that was cited ought to serve as a warning on bed: sides. His own opinion was, that without distinction of religion, every, man ought to, be called upon to do service to the State, wh ere h e Was particularly quali fied to do that - service, and on that ground the Ho nourable and' LearnedaGentleman ought to he ap pointed of the Privy 'Cbar!...cil.—(Lcvsl cries cf hear ! hear ! frets: , the Ocisolitica.) Sir gEW/lORT denied that there was any ec clesiastical business trarsacted by the Privy Council in Ireland that may not be sufficiently directed by ,the ?relates belengirg to that Council, and always atten ded. There were four Archbishops and two Bishops of the Privy Council in Ireland. There were only two Archbishops and one Bishop in the Privy Ceencil here. He (bought the appointment under the consi deration or the House was calculated to produce a ' very bad effect, when coupled with the curtailment of the grant fOr Maynooth e and other evidences of a dis. position hostile to the Catholics in the present Admi .nistratiOn. If his Majesty's Ministers had any regard fur-their.....own. character or the safety of, the country, they would not persist in the appointment in questior. Mr.. BERESFORD maintaieed, that whoever charged the Roman Catholics with being bad sub jects. libelled and belied them ; but to call in question any appointment, for language made me of in Par liament, however indiscreet, was at once to interfere with the prerogative of the Crown, and the first pri vilege of Parliament, freedom of speech ( Hear! hear!) With respect to . Mr, Giffard, he allowed the Govern ment-had alight to deprive. him Of the office he held under it, at its pleasure ;,but what he thought highly ettlpelek, was to attempt to influence his conduct inthe ,celryiation of Dublin. by lielding_oteahreate of de prsving bias oftiler:ogre, Mr. Tlmusizy read passages from the opening spekbes_silbilast and present Session of Parliament, jp.aithistleitie-Majeety expressed a hope that dissensions sypttlef ertieguished, and that all his subjects would : be tieited in wale us 0-operation against the common eneenie .k-fe asked' Whether this appoint ment t en d e l tra . rialize the hope expressed by his Majesty on these oceatione,'and 'whether ministers them , elves did net take then; ist effectual steps to defeat the:wishes they pue intee l ltieldajestv's mouth. He did not imagine that eho:Heonourab4 and Learned Gentleman would hi in the Privy council for ecclesiastical affair alone. On the contrary to was s.ttisfied he would hold the spent lanpage zr peiss..the same mischievous semi- r T } t t~