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1,.. of private noinitm. but it was his enneeientions belief 'his c .t n e e deracy o 1 eentkoien of the House of Commons 4. '" ll'r Immo*e of baiting a ministry into their views, was nett o-ly unitot b u t unconstitutional. The sphere for mem bers of narlia—ent were the houses to which they belonged. At of the meetine* to which he shaded the noble earl timed in a most candid dignified manner. highly becoming his stnt;nr. as Prime Minister of England, but at a second me. tier! the donee was larnentebk. The noble earl heelere. a hoed p•seeman. As he understood. they pro .ea .0 'eke the urns from the yeomanry of Ireland, and e'.tett them tinder the controul of the Lord Lieutenant, ass I at his d'sposel. Those Melt-minded men would VtT ennwent to eneh a measure, anti therefore they might he I-moldered is disbanded if the Government should ados t'n• en.er. , .. The noble earl eulogised the conduct of the ye...t00-or of Ireland, and impressed upon the noble earl the hirtiAin if •hre should be deserted by Government, and thrown tenon 'he mercy of thane whore comity they had in. c treed by lining their duty. la the north of Ireland where they were centrally Protestants, the measure would be met with a feeling of contempt. There was no law to may they .b surd rot he yeomen. and yeomen they would be. In the snub of Ireland. where the Protestants were few, the effect wonld he irtimidstion. The Protestants were universally veoroco. anti when they found themselves abandoned by the Government they would fl, and become exiles. The noble roe! coneludeti hr melting whether it was true that the Go vernment had et-emoted to make the important changes to which he ha" Abided? rad GREY agreed with the Noble Rarl that nothing round he mere objectionable than private communication on matters which ought to be the subject of public discussion ; and such proceedings never had or should have his &n -th/oil. The Noble Earl had been pleased to refer to two comteunications which bad taken place on the subject of Ireland. and the Noble Earl had expressed his di.approba than of Members of Parliament conveying to Ministers notice that if their demands were not attended to they would oppose his Majesty's Government. He certainly could not approve of such a course, and so long as he held the situation he had the honour to 611 it should hare no effect upon him. The Noble Rarl had raid he (Earl Grey) conducted himself independently at the first meeting. tie would say if any threat of that sort was held out to him, whatever might be the number of the persona who sombined to force him to accede to their views. he should resist, thoueh they forted him from his situation. At the second meetieg, to which the Noble Karl referred, he was not present. At the time the deputatter waited nn him a plan had been some time in contemplation for regulation of the Yeomanry Corps. As that measure was not before Parliament, he should not elate what it was ; hut he could metre the noble earl it was not the intention of his Majesty's Government to insult the Yeomanry of be lated. or detract from the feeling doe to their services. lie could only say that what premed on the occasion alluded to. had 4uhreed hie Majesty's Government not to persevere at that time in the Mr•PUTS they had in contemplation. It was far from his wish to injure that honourable corps, but he weuld say. if asked the question, that more advantage might he derived horn the employment of regular farces, if mili tary forces% should be necessary. than from Yeomanry, either in England or Ireland. However, he did not mean to pro pose any meson for the abolition of those corps. His Ma. jetty's Government had no intention of introducing say mesture of the nature the noble lord supposed would take place. The Veil of WICKLOW expressed himself much de -I;ghted by hiring obtained from the noble Earl one of the mist satisfactory statements be had ever heard. It would do emit good in Irehted. The Marquis of LANSDOWN spoke in favour of the yeomanry corps. and observed that he had recommended callint them ore in the county over which he hail the ho roue to preside as Lieutenant. The Marquis of LONDONDERRY described the depu. talon to he gentlemen connected with th e Roman C a tholics of ' , eland. Sir John Doyle, Mr O'Connell. Mr. Shiel, sett others had si t ored the letter. If the Noble Earl die. larded the yeornanei of Inland. the .states held by Noble Lords in !retard would no longer remain safe. The Noble Marquis considterd the whole to be a proceeding leading to a repeal of the Union. which was still contemplated by an urfortunate person, who had kept Ireland in a state of agitation. 'The Noble Maratris read the letter which bad been signed by the parties. The Noble Marquis went on to say he could not but again thank the Noble Earl (Grey) ftr the course he had pursued relative to the deputations on the affairs of Ireland. and was proceeding to make some me marks upon the conduct of the Lord Lieutenant of Ire land. respecting the Dublin election, when he was called to order by The Duke of RICH MOND, who contended that there was no question now before the House. The Marquis of LONDONDERRY maintained that he was in order. After a conversation on a nolnt of order, in which Lord HOLLAND. the Marquis of WISTSZATH, and Lord Los- Dounreay took pavt. Raul GREY said, that no deference prejudicial to the charactets of the gentlemen who formed the deputations to him and the Chancellor of the Exchequer could be drawn. The conversation then dropped. USSR SILL. The Archbishop of CANTERBURY presented a pets. riot from Sittingliourne. praying that the new beer shops should be Ocoee, on the Lord's Day. The most reverend prelate moved the committal of Ise augmentation of Small Livings Pill. which was afterwards ordered to be reported to-morrow (this day.) The moat reverend prelate also gave notice. that on Thursday, he should move the second read. ire of a hill for reteraininz pluralities. (in the motian of the Duke of RICHMOND. a Bill for the Hotter Employment of the Poor was nad a second time. • The hilts on their lordships table were forwarded a stage, and the h. use adjourned. HOUSE OF COMMONS. SR. •ND MSS. DIACLC. Coigne) F.VA NS presented a petition from Mr and 31ra. Heade, of Hamp.hire, prayi.:g for permltution to produce rr iti,t:ce at the liar of the House to disprove the allegations that I ad tern mule againat their conduct, and in justifies. oi Mr. B Bari.to. When he brought the subject he !.ll r the house on a former occasion, he had avoided any trunication with the parties, for the purpose of entirely avto,littg making any es parte statements, having brought the question before the house entirely on public grounds, ant; pur l ei•ir.g the papers he moved for would be refit s. it. fie •as then n:es in a manner entirely unexpected. It V. V. pmed that all ere rersons present at the transaction were ircludLd in the action brought by Mr. and Mrs. Beetle: Li I; ch, as he bad co particular knowledge of the subject, he ea• wish!, to contradict ; he now found that there were e;even per ons present, only five of whom were included in the action. The others were a banker, a lieutenant in the navy, and constables, not one of whim was tza r. toed in the defence He now learned that from the after t mu. made in the deferce of Mr. Baring, on the occasion of tt:e di.cu,si •n on his notion, the characters of the parties re ce.veal t; uch injury, and he was in consequence applied to to rearm the petition for an investigation of the transaction. It was already known that after Mrs. Heade had been for some days confined in gaol she tints discharged, there being tin evidence against her. Mr. Desch was prosecuted, and ev drone brought forward against hint ; after all their evi ii was heard the prosecution was given up, and Mr. teacle watt prev.nted by the Judge from producing any evi. tienct. or even from cross.exantining the last witr.ess, being told by the Judge it was the rrivtlege of the prosecutor to ittvc up the prosecution when he pleased; and that he (Mr. Deacle) was honourably acquitted. Yet, after this, and a'rhough Mr. Dead. trom the moment of his arrest, declared his determination to bring an 'e lfin for danuyes, and although a verdict had been gi •en against Mr. I inghatn Baring, yet the es porte it fonnathms on which 3lr. Deacle was so treated, were al lowed to b,• read in that house, where no answer could be rival by Mr. Deacle. Mr. B. Baring and hi. family_ pos se-sed great property and in fl uence in the county of Hamp. lathe, and his character had been urged as a reason for re , . titling inqui: y ; hit be thought where facts were positively Froved in a court of justice to the satisfaction of the judge sail jury, that character, however high, was not a sufficient aIISW4I. VI. Deacle was prepared to prove that his conduct was the reverse of that imputed to hint by the it::onnations, but the opportunity was never afforded him. The petition. era stated that during their imprisonment ail letters directed to them were destroyed, one of which contained an offer of legal assistance; it also stated the feet that one of the wit nesaes examined against Fair. Deacle stated, on his cross examination, that he would have been prosecuted himself if t..• otti nut give evidence against Mr. Death ; another wit while in the dock, to take his trial, was called out by the gaoler, and told he should not be prosecuted if be would give evidence against Deacle, which be consented to do. The petitioners also complained orate report of the debatesof that home., which appeared In the newspapers, and contented as- madam said to be mode by members of that house; and they felt particularly hinted by what war stated to have bora said by Alf. Sergeant Wilde. The SPEAKER here interrupted the Honourable Gentleman, and said that • it mai impossible to receive a Petition, that commented on what vas said by members In that house. Mr. O'CONNELL said the ped:ion did not assert that the expressions attributed to members of that house in the newspapers, had been used by them ; and therefore, perhaps, t , 11 petition might be received. particularly as the petition contained other substantial frets, on which they pray. d for redrew. The SPBA KKR said, if the hon. and gallant member moved that the petition be brought up, the house would :ben deal with the petition as they thought consistent with their own rules and p_rivileges. Sir ROBERT INOLIS dutught the petition could not be received. 3lr. HUM E had read the petition with great care, and thought the objecion was merely technical, and need not prevent the reception of the petition. Col. EVA NS said, be was aware that he was too short a time a member of the house to be a judge of its privileges, and when the petition was rent to him he showed it to an old inensser, on whose , pia;geetion it had been sent back to the petitioners, by whom the exceptionable passages had been expunged. He thought it was a ease in which the house ought, if possible. to receive the petition. The press he thought the best friend of ):beefy, and MOM enlightened than at any former period of our history. The honour able gentleman moved that the petition be brought up and Agreed to. Toe petition was read by the Clerk. and stated, that the petitioners had read in the newspapers several false and scandalous allegations respecting their conduct, in speeches *aid to he made in the House of Commons by Mr. F. Ba ring and 31r. Sergeant Wilde. accusing them of exciting the people to machine-breaking and outrage. all of which alle. ;cation* they were pee l ared to prove to be fa'se and wands loo,; and turther stated, that Mr. Sergeant Wilde had been retained to defend the petitioner. T. Mack, but did net ar. dye at Winchester till after the trial was over ; and was represented as having made a speech in the Hon. House of Commons agalost petitioner, while he bad petitioner's money in his packet. The petition detailed all the facts of the are rest and trial, and prayed for leave to prove them at the bar of the House. - - _ Mr. F. BARING said, when he made his former etate.l meat so the House he was aware that he made it in contra diction to eviderc.: that had been given in a court of jusate, and that his account would be citntradicted ; but nothing in that cootratitetion could induce him to withdraw any part of that statement The statements in the petition were contra dictory to those sworn on the trial. The hen. gent here mentioned some of the particulars in which he and the two accounts differed. The principle of which was, that it was sworn on the trial that Mr. Bingham airing carried Mrs. Dead!. out of the house s and it was now stated in the petition that he was the penal who carried bet which yes the fart. Sir THOMAS BARING was aware that every public man was liable to have his character traduced. The gallant member who had presented the petition had not had the courtesy to give him any notice of his intention. The pe. 'him stated that he was present when the petitioners were committed to prison He was not present, and gave no di. wahine. Hs came In but on one occasion during their ex aminations, and after they left the room gave his opinion to the Magistrates that they might be admitted to bail. When Mr. and Mrs. Llsacle were lint apprehended, he was eight miles distant. apprehending other offenders. Mr. Sergeant WILDE regretted that he had not been present when the petition was presented. In what he had said when tie subject was formerly before the House, he did not mean to offer any opinion on the conduct of the par. ties. but merely to state what he knew of the circumstances of the sounty at the time, which were such as to justify magistrates in executing warrants in person. Mr. HUME thought any one who heard the Learned Sergeant on the former occasion would have supposed that he had spoken from better authority than depositions that had been proved to be false. Mr. Deade had been charged with a conspiracy, as was the infamous conduct of the pre. sent day, when no distinct offence could be proved. The Learned Sergeant endeavoured to mix Mr. Derck up with seven other persona, who were hanged or transported, though there was no evidence against him. The question did not retard Mr. and Mrs. Dewitt, but the administration of jus tke—whetber the country was to have responsible magis trates. Was It ever before beard in British history, that a woman should be handcuffed ? He would ask his honour. able friend the member for Kerry, whether be had ever heard of a woman being handcuffed in Ireland 1° Mr. O'CONNELL said, be neva bad. Mr. HUME resumed; it was never before known in England; the house should esquire into the twannission of such cruely in the administration of the law. If the boa member ordered Mrs. Deacie to be handcuffed-of course he would say so—h was of immence importance. It was al. leged that the movables objected to it. The fact of hand cuffing was not denied, and justice required that the bon. member who presented the petition should name an early day for the enquiry, that the public might know that the magistrate s, guilty of cruelty, should nut he continued in power; and that if the charge against the magistrates was unfounded, that it might be dieptoved, and that in either ease the public might be satisfied that jus ice would be duly adm Marred. _ _ Mr. FERGUSON though it might be taken for granted that • great part et the statements of the petition were es aggerated, as no larger damage. than S3l. was given Still ordering Mrs. Deeds to be handcuffed, was an act of such barbarity, that if it had been ordered by any magistrate, or any member of that house, it would be highly improper that he should be allowed to continue in either situation.— (Hear, hear.) Mr. and 3lra. Dssele bad certainly great cause of complaint. lira. Lleacie was dragged to gaol like • felon, in a cart, and confined there some days, and than dismissvd without wig, which must be taken as full proof of her innomace. Mr. Druck was put on his trial, and was honourably sequined, without being called on for his de fence. He thought they were well entitled to petition that House for redress. Sir GEORGE CLERK was surprised that the Chins calor of the Elehetiner. or some Member of the Govern went, had not interfered to state the fast, that the petition waa founded on statements supposed to be made by Mem ben of that house. Would the house allow persons. by a palpable evasion of the orders of the house, to present peti tions reflecting on tie speeches and conduct of Members of that house Lord ALTHORP said it was true that by evasion allu sion was made to speeches in that house, but he thought they ought not be very strict in taking notice of such eva sions, as they knee the speeches made in that house were published • and he thought they should be poetise's:ly cautious w hen the conduct of Members of that house was called to question. He therefore should not object to the petition lying en the table. Mr. ESTCOURT tisought the petition contained& direct violation of the melees of the house, and should not be re- ceived. O'Ct oN NELL said the honourable member did not go half far enough to establish his own principle. There was no order of the house better known than that no speeches made in that house should be published. If the honourable gentleman wanted to enforce:the orders, let him cull all the proprietor of nee 'papers in the kingdom to the bar, an ex periment he was not likely to try. Then why should not persons so deeply injured by such publications complain ? 'l he boa. gentleman's statement on a former occasion made • strung impression on his mind in favour of Mr. B. Baring.' and against Mr. and Mrs. Deacle. He should not say bow what had now taken place had operated on his opinion, res pecting Mr. B. Baring, but it had completely removed any unfavourable impression respecting Mr and Mrs. Deady. They had been handcuffed and trundled to gaol in a Cat like felons, and then it was found there was nothing on which to bring Mrs. Dente to trial, and that the prosecution against Mr. Deacle was given up, after hearing all the evi dence against him, without caliing on him for his defence. ' They were certainly well entitled to an inquiry into their case of hanlehip. (Hear.) Sir F. BUKUBTT thought the petition most important, and that there was no pretence for its rejection. The peti tion related to the exercise of the power of magistrates; and be had a smug impression that it was a power that required the vigilant observation of that houie. (Hear. hear.) He should not go into the merits of the case then, as be could not doubt another opportunity would be &exied him : but it would be one of the most extraordinary proceedings in the; world if the house did not receive the petition. ( Hear.) The question was then put, and the petithtn ordeted to 11: on the table. Mr. & RICE brought up the report of the Hackney coach bill. Ordered to be re.coianiitted this day Woolen. COMMITTZ Of SIPPLT. Lord ALTHUIIP moved that the house resolve itself into a committee of supply. Ac tat o'clock, if it was the _~ cesaVellielne Of the house, he should propose the melbas. doe of the wine dudes. 11V.A7DOlitilailoped the noble lurd would not bring forward the wpr duties, 'Khasi giving time for the finest consideration. Lord ALTHORP said he should net bring forward the subject to-night ; but probably should nest Monday ROTIDIAT STEAMER. Colonel SI BTU ORP hoped the Government would give attention to the drcumstances attending the melancholy loss of the Bethany Steamer , and would bring in • Bill that might have the effect of preventing such catastrophes from ingligiace• Mr. LA MB said he had only beard of the melancholy fact through the ordinary channels; but the most particular inquiry should be made; after which It might be judged proper to proceed to make acme enactment with a view to prevention. ADJOURNMENT or raz mows& ' Sir B. PRIM said, as the Noble Lord opposite did not seem disp osed to accede to his proposal for an adjournment, he shou ld merely state, that he had hoped when the period of adjournment should be determined on, that the noble lord would give the house the earliest information. (Hear.) LordiALTHORP said he could not hold out any prsopeet den adjournment, more than the very &bort one of the day of the coronation. (ilear.) IVA: UN. Lord ELIOT said, in the debate on Belgium the hon. and learned member for Kerry had contradicted Kim un some facts respecting the freedom of religion allowed by the King the Netherlands. The noble lord read an extract from an address of the Belgian Bishops to the King, which com plained of the King's determination to grant equal protec tion to all reliAione. The noble lord stated some other points I. which the honourable and learned gentleman's statements were in error, and was certain he would have no objection to retract. Mr. O'CONNELL said the statements he had made was go fat from being exaggerated, that they tell short of the reality. The learned gentleman went into some state ments in proof of this assertion, and said there vas never • mum iniquitous union imposed on any people titan that of the Belgians with Holland, one only eteepted, England and behind. The kingdom of Belgium had for fourteen years been ruled, as regarded the press, with the utmost despotism. Not a year passed over without a prosecution, and in one day there had actually been thirty-two prosecutions insti tuted. The hon. member stated a case of an individual who had petitioned for permission to institute a prosecution mains' the dlinister of Police, for having banished from Belgium two gentlemen, who were subsequently declared in nocent of the crime for whirl they had been banished; and the petition of this individual had been answered by an imprisonment of sixty six days, without bail ; and he was afterwards tried for a transportable oldie t he was, fortunately fur himself, acquitted, but that he did get off be was in nowise indebted to the King of the Ne.berlands. l Thais was another case of a priest, who was a literary cha ncier, and amused himself with writing Latin poetry • and be had chanced one e v e nin g , at a party in a private house, so be reciting some of hi s own composition, one line of which expressed a sentiment " that Belgium was ignorant of bow Ito submit to a foreign yoke;" and for this expression, recited in a private party, he was tried, and imprisoned for two yarn. lie would ask hoes members present if they could conceive any thing more oppressive, and what would be the feeling experienced in this country if such effusions were to be visited with such rigour when we read or sung " Britan nia tides the waves." As the case of De Potter had been mentioned. he would again allude to it. De Putter had bees prosecuted far libel, but the law was found insueleient to reach hint ; and then he was proceeded against for s conspi racy, for what he had written in the public papers, and was banished for 7 years. Vander &radian, a counsel who held several lucrative employments, and the private friend of De l Potter, was threatened with being deprived of all his plates l Why appeared in his profession to plead for De Potter.— &radian, regardless of the threat, declared himself ready to l plead hi friend's cause, and accordingly appeared to defend' him at the bar, but he had only opened his mouth and ut used " Messieurs," when a message from the King was served upon him that stripped him of all his political rights. On this seven of his brother Counsellors signed a petition in' his behalf, praying for his restoration ; and for their inter ference, even by petition, they were all imprisoned fur seven weeks, and also deprived of their political rights, which' were net restored to them till after a lapse of a twelve month. The press of Belgium was even subjected to pro. widens from fureigoers, for the beloved Ferdinand of ' Spain had Instituted a prosecution against a printer there fee publishing a paragraph that we have all heard of, relating to his skill in embroidery, and the well known stiwy of the petticoat. There were other power. ful individuals who had likewise ptocceded against the preys of Belgium, among whom was the Duke of Wellington. Some writer published a paragraph, stating c transaction which he attributed to the Duke of Wellingtoe, as an egad on his pact to Indus France to throw itself into the arms 434 this country. This his Grate thought a wicked libel, and 'imitated proceedings against the publisher. laying his damages at 10,000 francs. The action was tried, and the Disks of Wellington recovered damages of ire francs.— The boa member added a number of instanoi, and mid, that he could go on and adduce others for another hoar. The he.. member then entered into a general reply to the alb ptions which had been made against his former momenta. and emitended that he had advanced nothing for which he was notipmpared with data and substantial proofs of the facts. Under these circumstances be thought hard to be taxed with making false statements. The noble lord was wrong in saying that it rested upon the mention of the public press in this country, and to that source might be traced the origin of these alleged calumnies t the calumnies on the other aide might be traced to another source- there was • debt due by the King of die Netherlands, and O'Connell) had no doubt but there were several in who had an interest in that debt. The NOM member eon. eluded by saying, that for stating these truths he had been assailed in a manner that of which he would rather be the object than the author. He had nut exaggerated any of his statements, and be had shown that the Belgians were l esactioned In doing what they had dot.e, and be hoped that the link which ,they had broken, miner never spin be stake& Lord ALTHORP thought that a discussion on the con duct of the King of Holland was quite irrelev.un. But as the noble lord wished to reply to the statement of the hon. and learned gentleman, he did no: object to that, not could he also refuse the same permission to the hoo. and learned gentleman in reply. He hoped. however, that the ilivcouion would proceed no igniter. (Hear.) After soineubservations front blr R. Yv•van and another boa. hfieverica, on a point of older, the house went into a committee of supply. Upon the motion that the sum of MVO. Ills. 31 be granted to Messrs. Lescene and Escoffery, se remuneration leseitheir being deported from the island of Jamaica as aliens, they being at the time British-born subjects, Mr. HUM E protested spinet the grant in question, on the ground that the people of England ought DOC to pay for the improper acts of Governor of Jamaica. Mr. S. RICE said, that although the present grant was not created by the present government, )et he was prepared to justify it. The right honourable gentleman then went into a statement respecting the origin of this grant, which was reported at length a few nights since. In consequence of a report made on this subject, a sum of money wu agreed to be paid to the individu a l* in qustion ; part of this sum was ~ Uy paid to them, and all that was now asked by the go vernment was, that this house would make good an engage ment that had been entered into by a former government. Sir G. MURRAY said that, when he cone into office, the ease of the individuals came under his notice, and he made a report on the subject to the Treasury. He thought that the grant ought to be made, u it had undergone the scrutiny of more than one government. After a fee/Porde from Mr. Burge, Sit J. Williams, Mr. Wane, Lord owick, and Sir J. Burka. Sir C. WETHERELL thought it would be going too fat to make the Duke of Manchester, who sassed the persons in question, upon an address presented to him, to be de. 'pored; it would be going too tar, he said, that the Duke of Manchester should be called upon to pay a aunt of money to remunerate persons whom he had deported, under the advice of the Attorney-General of the Island of Jamaica. As the case had been reported upon, be thought government ought to attend to that report. hit. F. PALMER was in favour of the grant. Mr. &leant WILDE thought that this Government was bound to remunerate persons suffering from the acts of its officer; and the Duke of Manchester was, to all intents and s urpass, the officer of this Government, as Governor of Mr. O'CONNELL said that the persons in question wits molly treated. They wished foe trial, and they mold not pt it. Thaw persons were deserving of remuneration fawn some one. He would support the grant. Mr. HUNT admitted that an set of injustice bad been done to the in question, bat he asked, wire the starving po p eel England to pay :or thb injustift P Hs ' thought that the Government of Jamaica might to be made to pay, through the Duke of Manchester. Allow a few words from Mr. F. Palmer, Mr. Barge, and Mr. B. Dossier, Mr. HUMS observed that the present Government was not bound to sanction soy grants made by the bite govern ment. The qussdon was this, these two individuak were injured, and who was to Wilma," than P He (Mr. Moine) would say the assembly. The Duke of Manahan' r bad acted under the saneden of the assembly. Two commission ers on the spot had decided that these individuals ware not sodded to any thing. Tet, in spite of this, Rail Bathurst submitted the letter to another tribunal. For these reseals he should oppose the g ant. The house then divided, when them appeared For tie grant 117 Against it 12 Majority few Ministers —405 On the motion that 6,7941. be granted for the Protestant charter Reboots in Ireland. Mr. HUMS asked how loop this grant we. to continue Mr. S. MCI replied that next year it was to be reduced to 3,000. and afterwards discontinued. After a few words from Mr. &Corinna. and Mr. LEADIM, the grant was agreed to. On the motion that 27,0241. be granted for the Foundling Hospital, Mr. RUT HVEN considered this grant objectionable on a general principle, but under the particular circumstances of that country, he hoped the grant would not be objected to. Mr. S. RICH observed that, since the Union, this Insti tution had cost the country 844.0001. yet it had bees found that education had not been promoted by it ; under such circumstances, he thought that it was fit to get rid of It as soon as convenient. After some desultory observations, the grant was agreed to. On the motion that 21,2001. be granted to support the Routs of Industry and Lanatic Asylum in Dublin, Mr. HUM X complained of the reduction In that item not being carried far enough. & RICK observed that the reduction in the salaries of the servants was carried as far as it reasonably could be. The vote was then agreed to. .11100311 were then granted for the Richmond Lunatic Asylum. £6,323 were granted for the Hibernian Society, for the education of soldiers' children. On the motion that 1,2681. be granted fur the Hibernian Marine Society, Mr. 1111 ME complained of 221. per bend being allowed for the support ethos' children. The vote was then agreed to. 11,291 were granted for the Female °ellen Home, Dublin. 42,900 were granted for Westmoreland Lock Hospital 42,000 were gamed fur the Lying-in Hospital. 11.678 were granted for Dr. Stephens• Hospital £2,8U0 were granted foe the Fever Hospital, Cork-atteet, Dublin. £485 were granted for the Hospital for Incurables. The Cumulus then reported progress. and the house resumed. when the report was ordered to be brought up on Wednesday. TEI will DUMB. Lord ALTHOlii'itavingoveti& second reading of the wine Duties SIX_ 11r. COURTEN A Y rose to express his objections to this measure. When he was in office in his Majesty's Government, be acquired such information respecting this subject, as te be convinced that an equalisation of the wine dutks could Dot take place without a breach of our compact with Portugal. The Methuen treaty would be violated, if this measure pasted. That treaty was intended to be perpetual, and had lasted longer than any treaty which we ever had with any nation. He was astonished to bear the noble Lord (Althorp) state, that it was coupe. tent for either party to put an end at any time to the treaty, by paying the penalty. He was surprised to bear from the Chancellor-of the R erackequ which was to be in the mouth of every smuggler, Oasnely, that there was Do harm in smuggling goods, but that they should thereby be subject to a penalty. He would repeat that he was astonished to hear the Noble Lord, who was distinguish. ed for his candour, support this measure with the ingenuity of a pertifegger. He was ready to admit, that if Portugal bad been guilty of a breach of the treaty of 1703, it was coin. I petent fee as to put an end to that treaty. As a Member of the House of Commons, he had Do knowledge eta violation ut that treaty. If there was a breach of the usaty, the facts should be laid before the house, in order that they might de cide on them. He contended that the treaty could sot be altered, except by mutual consent, and that it was not cont., patent for us to put an end as it, without the eannerreace of Portugal. The violation of ibis treaty was net esosistent either with the laws of honour or the law filmdom. Mr. ROBINSON could out help feeling thankful to the Right Hoe. Gentleman for having so courteously interposed between the resolutions which be gave nodes to move au the second reeding of this Bill. He did not think that the op. poems of the measure bad benefited much by the arguments of the Right Hon. Gentleman, for that Right Hon. Gentle man had rested the impolicy of the measure on the Methuen treaty. Whereas he (Mr. Robinson) thought it should be argued solely on its own merits, fur it was evident that it was competent for tither nation to put an end to that treaty after UMID, by giving notice. The Hon. Member then pro ceeded to observe that if this measure pawed, Pert would be justified in equalising the duty on all ties ex. pored from this country, which in HMO amounted to two millions and a half, independently of two hundred thousand poendsworth of cod fish from Newfoundland. The govern. meat of those countries are opposed to the importation of our manufactures, particularly France. The noble lord says that he wants to encourage a trade with France. So did be. But the nobe bold had already a trade with Portugal, and the trade with Prestos was only in expectancy. We to..k from France 3,000,0001. a year, and she only took from us 000,0001 It was the policy et France to encourage ha own manufactures. He was endues to encourage a tree trade with France, but despaired of suocrA. Francs was aware that she was not able to compete with us. and the admission of our manufactures would destroy her manufactures altogetner. America was acting on the same principle. and was acting foe the benefit of future generations. She was fully aware that she could import our manufactures at a less rate than she manufactures, but she was providing employment for her population. and looking to the interests of her own country. We had a market in Portugal, and novel in France, and therefore he would cppose the noble lord's motion. The manufacturers of this country were notgetting a profit for the capital they employed, and it would shortly appear that the whole system was rotten to the core, and they were obliged to compel the workmen to reduce their wages. The hon. gentleman went into an elaborate detail of the impolley of the plan, and concluded by expressing his die. scut to the measure as likely to prove injurious to the coon. try. He then proposed fineries of Reaolutiona, descriptive of the advantages that had arisen from our comment* with Portugal and France, which went to prove that our trade with the former had proved a source of profit to this country while that of Francs bore but a small proportion. bit. COURTRNA Y said that he had been charged with want of courtesy by the hon. member for Worcester. He felt it his duty to say that, if the house thonht he was out of order in speaking upon the motion, he w oul d apologise. Mr. ROBINSON explained, and said that the honour. able member had misunderstood his remarks. Mr. H. VILLIERS addressed the house at considerable length, in favour of the proposition at his noble friend, and contended that the arguments of the right hon. member for Tomes were fallacious, as the Methuen treaty was se much in force as ever. He considered that the measure was en act of justice to France, and would prove highly beneficial to theconmereial interests et both countries. After some further observations from Mr. Sadler, the Chancellor of the &chequer, Mr. Alderman 'Thompson, Mr. Halite, Mr. P. Thomson, Mr. S. Wortley, Mr. Burp, and Mr. Robinson, the bill was read a second time, and ordered to be committed on Monday. The other orders of the day were then disposal of; and the house adjourned at two o'clock. VIZNNA, AUGUST 9. —The news that bas been received to-day, that 50.000 French troops are to occupy Belgium, has caused our Bank Shares to fall from 971 to 951. It has been affirmed foe some days past, that the tary preparations in the Aus.rien monarchy, which were lately suspended, are to be resumed, and the new levies be tarried on with increased activity. VIM*, AUGUST 11.—The cholera has now r t : e t r g a s d • d into Transylvania, and rages in the country of Our sews from Warsaw is to the 4th. A moon hes just been spread that a case of disease like that of eho- Ina has occurred in a village on this side of the Hasp:lu Conlon. A Dutch steamer is expected late in the atter semi but she nut net Wog say Liar batelligniet by Poland than bus been received by the timbre' stammer el yeettedey. THE EV ENING S TAR LONDON, TUESDAY, AUGUST 23. 10„• An eloquent Paper en Lard Wynford's Bill, a c , w . morrow. The Seas may be missed at the Office, or, as usual, through the Newsmen. Oxs coTtociermemeter, 74, R. remoter, 30.14 . Wind N.N.W. Weather, threa dcloudy. We have some pleasure in announcing, by Ex press, from Dublin, which arrived this morning, that on Saturday's Poll, Mr. LATOUCHE approached Lord IMGLITRIR within fifieen, and Mr. S a ss twenty-one. The numbers were, SHAW, 319; Lord ING ZSTAIIE, 313; LATOOCHZ, 298; and O'Lovems.tx, 276. The Anti-Reformer s had gained, therefore, about 100 on the gross poll, but little doubt is entertained, that yesterday—Mon day—the Reformers would considerably recover. The proceedings on Friday made a shew agei sm the reform candidates; but this was ascribed partly to jockeysbip, and partly to conduct which will to-night become a subject of inquiry, by pe_ tition to the House of Commons. Reforme r ., however, are of the pugnacious species, and will not be easily baffled in their purpose. Th e i r conduct is bottomed on principles which am as strung in the eleventh hour as in the first; and as influential under adverse circumstances, a* under the most encouraging. Our opinion, at least, will be greatly diminished of the Irish nation, if the Dublin electors fail to re. turn two men so worthy of their preference, as Messrs. LATOUCHZ and O'Lotrommx. Doubt less, however, the Dublin Corporation is a well. trained bend, like all corporations; and if the Ministers bad done their duty, this and all such narrow-souled and corrupt bodies would ere this hare been remodelled, and deprived of their power of mis chief. We give them six months reign after the meeting of a reform Parliament—it is therefore proper that they should display their power, as far as they can, fur this last times. Thank Goo, however, no public hope rests on such bodies as the Corporation of Dublin. A letter received by us this morning, written la the poll on Saturday, explains the feelings on the spot: " DVIPLIII. 5A1171111,4T. " A petition has been this day fotswardad to the House of Commons, complaining of the gross porthdlty el the Shelf of Dublin. " In fact, the Recorder and his colleague are soigne* this Election upon the most avowed peinclples of religious bigotry. •' Is this consistent with the impartiality and freedom frotn'party bias, which should distiognieh a Judge I " Several of the piteous bolding ollicisl situations under the dovensineat have ems voted avian the Reheat eaa• &dates." The only original feature of our Paris news to day, is the report of a caustic correspondence be tween PZDRO and MICIViL, in which the latter assumes the airs' of a King de facto towards s fugitive King de jure. The Constitationners re report of this royal and fraternal correspondence is curious and amusing, but of secondary interest to English readers. There have been carious rumours for the last week, in regard to the Emperor of RUSSIA.— Some speak of a Physician passing from Berlin. for Petersburgh, celebrated for his skill in cases of insanity— some have spoken of violent attempts os his life—and others describe him as dead of cho lera. The last accounts spate of him and his Court as being closely shut up in his-Palace of Peseta, with duple and trip!. sanitary cordons, and, it seems, that his Brother, bitcnars, lately left Poland, in haste, for Petero . From all these circumstances, it is inferred, that something has occurred which it is not yet convenient to divulge, and which, in so despotic a country, may be con cealed till it is the pleasure of the authorities to make it known. The Dutch mails of this day bring no news from Warsaw later than the Bth, which we inserted yes terday ; but they present alarming accounts of the silent march of that invisible, insidious enemy, the Cholera Morbus. It spreads in Hungary and Gal- Bela, threatening Austria and Bohemia; while more northwards, the every-way mischievous Russians are scattering it in Posnania, and on the borders of Silesia. That any Government should be wicked enough to aim at establishing its gloomy des potism by means of soldiery, whose Pes tilential diseases are far more terrible than their prowess, is a disgrace which never can be wiped from the Russian name. We bear much said of Attila, but be never was charged with aim ing at conquest, by sending armies infected with contagious and fatal pestilence. Yet Birmingham is boasting of its contracts to supply such monsters with arms ; and though we honour, on many sub ject., the good spirit of that noble town, yet on this subject it basards all its reputation ; sad , really, some means ought to be adopted, to in demnify the parties for their paltry profits, in order that the Russians, the Cholera, and Birmingham. may not become a trio of horrors through the c ivi- Blvd world. The profits of 40,000 stand of arm s is probably about £5,000; i t a ppears to us that this sum might be raised by subscription, and given among the parties, as a maw of re moving so great a public stain. This day we give Ow; to those very it:immu nity R VLIS Of COURT to which we some 62 " since called public attention ; for whatever b • the, names of these documents. they deeply agr•i i the perusal liberty sad ancient usages of the 8n F sfM dw Clo two tut I kV Jui fort the of ii eaja Imp Paid Is C Is 1 Mr Pf° l cha imp eau COO •nu for low cur - OUn take obis d.bl !101l sell, was vex' bad by r of *1 A wi t abot mad in%