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_ I •<' _-_:- c . e ' ../ voinEn 74! ADI 11714171" 0F17.: .)eeensber 40, 1810. 'TICE is Aereby given, Thu! ! C.a . nn of Oyer and Terrnmer and Goal Delivery, for the 7: 4 .4 cf *wee: conssaieted gi g h Seas, within thejurirdietion of - a— A Int:rc *ty of England; ?at Justice Hall, its the Old Bailey. 1..1.10 Tresday the y next, at eight &WA is the essornir:, .T. If'. CROKER. This day ss.t , Iblislied, price Half•a-Crw.ve, REG ENG QUESTION ; being a re-pub lication of Papers, written during Ws Majesty's Illness, in car 1788; with a New Preface. .By DENIS O'BRYEN, Esq. But we, with pleasure, own our errors And make, each day, a critique on the last. Pori. These Papers are republished because their principles and s i n gs wouh! have applied centuries since, and would apply I nes hence--itde .d, under every possible suspension of the A F unctions."... Pr lace. be h a d of John Enid, ; and of all other Booksellers. IaLIAMEIVTARr PROCEEDINGS. HOUSE OF LORDS, DECEMBER 20. STATE OF THE NATION. About half-past tour o'clock, Earl CAMDEN, Lord of the Council, entered the House. The atndance of the Peers was pretty full, and his Lord ip immediately laid upon the table the Report of e Committee appointed to examine the Royal Pl,- ians touching the state of his Majesty's health, being first read short by the Clerk, was or , to be printed for the use of their Lordships. Lord HOLLAND rose. He was induced, he id, by a strong sense of public duty, when he con : the momentous and critical situation in which country was placed, to address their Lordships in is state of the proceedings, with reference to the subject which they shortly would have more :ly to discuss. In this view of these critical momentous circumstances, he would have to put questions, which struck him to be of the greatest stance to those who, at this period of unhappy ity, were the official directors of his Majesty's ,Those questions necessarily arose out the mode of proceeding which those Ministers had :bred their intention to adopt, and they related to uns which would evince to all their Lordships the sky there was for their coming to the most speedy, nay an immediate, decision, if it were possi 'll:., upon the great question pending before both ,aset. It was not, however, bis intention to 4 press tiwse questions in any hostile point of view, but merely to state what points would to his mind call for an tediate deeision, and on which they would consi whether or not with safety to the public service a on such points could be any longer post. He would first beg leave to say a very few . as to the mode of proceeding which the Noble Secretary of State had diclareclot was the intention Ministers to propose in that House on Thursday They were to submit to the consideration of House three Resolutions, which were agreed to both Houses in 1788. On the first of those, un lately, there was'not the smallest hope of any of opinion taking place. The second re lated to the right which *as supposed by some to de- Ntelve, in such circumstances, upon the Houses of Parliament. Upon this proposition, it was his iu tention to move the previousquestion. But, with re spect to the third Resolution, which went practically to recommend the mode of proceeling by Bill, and was therefore the more especially worthy of the most serious attention of their Lordships, a Noble Friend of his had given notice of his determination to propose an amendment, substituting instead thereof, an Address to his Royal Highness the Prince of Walesa° take uponhim the civil andmilitary administration Of the Government. This amendment would therefore involve the question of preference between the two modes of proceeding by bill or by address. These considerations would embrace a variety of questions, mere or less referring to the fundamental principles of the Constitution.—' Notwithstanding the great differences of opinions en- , tendined as to the preferable mode of proceeding by Address, or by what was called by Bill, and the dif ferent opinions entertained . by a Noble Friend,' then absent, for whose sentiments and authorities his rt4pect was equally profound and cordial, he felt it itteum bent on him to deelaie, that in every view he was able to take of the subject, it appeared to him, with vierenee to the genuine principtes of the Constitution, to be utterly impossible to proceed in any other way than by the mode of Address. Iret,besidesthese consi. derations,it was very likely that a third opinion,or rule, for the guidance of their decisions would be held by many Noble Lords, and by many of sound and accu rate understandings, namely, that their votes mast be decided by the present state of the public service.— They were all agreed that it was necessary to supply , the deficiency which unhappily existed as to the per sonal exercise of the royal authority; in viewing this, it would be imperative upon their Lordships to con sider the vast difference of circumstances between the present period and that of 1768. At that period such a line of conduct may be pursued without committing the happiness or the safety of the empire ; but in• such a perilous crisis as the present, were that prece-r dent to be fully acted upon, it may even tend to lay tie country at the feet of the enemy. It was this con sideration, so strongly pressing upon his mind, that inducedhini to put the querieshe was about to do to the Noble Lords opposite. They all referred, and essen tially, to the actual state and safety of the country. In putting these questions, he was actuated by no party spirit, but solely by a sense of public duty. In the first place, with retard to the case of S weden, it was a gene ra l opinion, were hostilities commitled against this country by that, or by any power, that such hostilities could not be met by counter hostilitiesl without a previous declaration of war , or a solemn proclamatio n setting forth the motives for hostile pro ceedings on the part of this country. He should w ish to know what line of conduct would be phrsued in tech ise of a cases under the suspension of the mac • ... :~ H' 4 .IDAY t the royal authority ? He may be told that acted upon their responsibility on the neces•tit case, but in the present circumstancesibf the he thought that species of responsibirity a to the state. He well remembered the fm quences of stretching the doctrine of netessit as in the case of the important question of sb where-the King was advised that he was the of the necessity of the case. His next question spected the recent intelligence frpm South especidily from Buenos Ayres, which obviousl quired some important steps to be taken, eitt , '- a reference to the common cause of liberty neral interests of humanity. Another poini present circumstances of Spain and Portugal ting this, at a former period when he was gutne as to the event than at present, he appr the conduct of his Majesty's Governrnent,aek it was right to send out troops to support thk tants. But in the present case, when reinforcements may be wanted by the eminent Commander - station, he would ask, whether the Noble _ tertained any doubt as to the legality of sending such reinforcements ? From the gestures of Secretary of State, he should suppose they He had then to ask, if by their not sendini great injury does not accrue to the public the country ? He had a third question to , Noble Lords, and that respected the import, tion between this country and the United • case wherein the British Government was cal, speedily to determine upon one of two modes licy, either to revoke the Orders in Count:' press the grounds or reasons for their conti the former of which alternatives ought *in ment to be adopted. And against the time American Republic expected their answer, nation from Ministers en this head was the cessary, as they were about to call upon , to acquiesce in a slow and circuitous mode ceeding for restoring the personal exercise of authority, in preference to a speedy and com, mode, which would avert the numerous pend with which the Country was threatened. The Earl of LIVERPOOL rose, and in rhat had been urged by his Noble Friend, that the numerous queries put to him cc adequately considered as their importance and the sotutionsgiven, without going into the whole political situation of the Empire sent period. If he abstained from such a it was solely from the impossibility of enteric it at large at the present moment under • stances in which they were placed. In , situation of the country, his Majesty's GovernaKo were fully aware of the difficulties which upon diem, but they were also aware that ' cuilties were of two sorts. The momentou. imposed on them to coasider bo:k.w.fAr tbe-iRterSALAC the country, upon the: whole, required of them to recommend to Parliament to suspend ceedings on the one hand, and on the ot: riod w hets the same consideration required necessary proceedings should be commenced. these impressions, they had proposed several adjournments, with a view to give Parliament portunity of either instituting such proceedings they may think necessary, or in their view under the circumstances of the time, to adoption of such proceedings. The condi Mtliesty's Government was regulated by of the difficulties on both sides, and on the peculiar difficulties of the situation in were placed should be carefully considered. respect to the particular points adverted Noble Friend, he had to say, that he was of any material injury to the public servii delay in question, nor was he aware thz had abstained from any acts which under cumstances they would not have so advised jesty, and with regard to those measures safety of the country may require, they whatever risk it may induce to theznseli which they deemed most conclusive • honour, and interests of the country, justice of Parliament to consider of and the grounds of that justification. before he begged leave shortly to observe point of his Noble Friend's speech, vile r proceeding, whether prefirable by Bill or pOn this head, every consideration he had ive the subject, in all its views and bear i n decidedly of opinion that the mode of Bill was by far the preferable. Nay, he ther, and declare his firm conviction, . would undertake to p*lf when the regular nity, should strive, that' the precedent of - the only constitutional made of proceedi their Lordships, with reference to principles of the constitution, had,no circumstances as the present than to adopt Lord HOLLAND spoke briefly in Earl GROSVENOR deprecated the had hitherto taten place in the proceedin , for the personal *exercise of the Royal thought other precedents, besides that so much stress was laid, might be ref( occasion like the present. He instant occurring in the reign of George the in the early part of that of his present With respect to the precedent of MS, scribed the mode of proceeding by Bill, reason to re t, notwithstanding the lapse , 4 opinions h e tf then held ; neither did h think, *efect of a fiction at law was consii • Any thing i ncons istent or ridiculous crding by way of Bill. 'The Duke of CLARENCE observed, shortly trouble their Lordships ion the slaw He was confident they would iFe to believe, that in addition to what public and national grounds on the ca— unhappily called for the pending discussions, Mg sensibly affected by consideratiois of OTICE is , T e rxiner and t i e Nigh Seas, 15 b e hel" at Justig vi y next daY T HE REG I lication of P the yes:1788; wi But size, And mall These Papers naionings wool,. enturies T o Functions. To be lad of lola !ALM HOUS About half= }'resident of t attendance of 1 44 immediat t he Committee sitimr; touch', w hi c h, being d e red to be pr Lord HO] said, by a stns ordered the rot the country w this state of t general subject regularly to and momento some questior importance tc tlamity, ever vernment. of the mode o declared their points which necessity thei speedy, nay a ble, upon thi touset. It these questior to state what immediate do der whether decision on ppned. He words as to Secretary of of Ministers ert. They the House ti by both Hot fortunately, difference of lated to the ttolve, in su Parliament. t • tention to m r Vert to the to recomme was therefor 1 D e ti I ti t I f a 11 , r. . .--- . . • , . .. _., . , , , _ , _ _ . i .' . . . , • I- . .. . .44., .. . ~ ~.., ..., . • 4 ~, , ~... • . ... „ .... A . /.'4- Ar . • , A • 16 4 . le Apy -• I N.e. t t, : s . . • • •.'. , - . • t 11 ;•• . -._, 41 0 tk - ' l _ . • It •- , - _ • 4.. i..... *DECEMBER 21, Islo. e ' [PRICE SIXPENCE-HAISPENNY. Er---.--------....--........:..:-------•-* -- ... . t Ministers and personal nature. He felt himself tailed upon by HOUSE OF COMMONS. seity of the what fell from the Noble Secretary of State, so decis A New Writ was ordered for the Borough of Brackley, in the room at Anthony Hoderson. Esq. deceurd. . se country, dealt , in favour of the precedent of 1788, to say a CALL or THE WM& g reat evil few words upon that point. Had he the h onour of a On . the motion of the CHANte F.LLOR of the atal conse _ seat in the House at that time, his conduct would EXCHEQUER, the Order of the Day for calling 1 pity too far, have been similar to that of a eery near relative of his over the House was read. i hip-money, on the occasion. Since that • p eri o d, however, one. The, CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER ' : sole judge great chenge in particular had taken place. Their fuestion re. moved'," that the House be now called over." t America, Lordships had since got a new set of journals. He Mr."TIERNEY thought that the present attes- t the only one of his family, he believed, that had dance was very satisfaetqry, and that we call :lupe viously re- the pleasure of visiting Ireland, and he would remit- be dispensed with. r ot• the ge- either with mend their Lordships to look over the Journals of the ant was the The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER al. I . House of Lords of that country, and b' which they. lowed, that as far as the present individual day was would see whether it was not the most convenient . concerned, there was no cause of complaint for non- ; more sail- take u al —respec. way to vote an Address to the Prince of Wales, to attendance; but he thought'it was important to en. .pproved ofn him the Government of the Country, until force the call, in order. to skew that it was the inten- Led thought it should please PROVIDENCE, and May it be shertly ! tion of the House to insure, during the whole of the to restore to his Throne our excellent and b eloved iforcements coun tr y importent discussion which was about to take p the inhabi- lace, Monarch. And he thought that not a moment should the steed y sattentioa of the Members. .der on that be lost in restating to the its constitutional . executive head. The motion was then agreed to, and strangers hurting been excluded, the names of all the Members Lords en- The Duke of NORFOLK was of opinion that the were called over ; a proceeding which occupied above ending out conduct adopted by Ministers inexpressibly aggravat- two hours. if the Noble ed their responsibility: With respect to the much On our re-admission into the Gallery, we found :y did not. talked of precedent of 1788, his objections to that The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER ng them, a course of proceeding remained in their full force ; moving, " That the House be called over bn Monday : service of 1 i but there did exist a precedent which would well go - se'nnight , " which motion was a g reed to ;as *as also • put to the', vern their proceedings, viz. that of 1688, when the a subsequent motion ,. "That those Mem b ers who dig etant ques. !two Houses of Parliament wisely resolved to address not then attend should be t a ken into custody." ' d States—a the Prince and Princess of Orange to take upon them STATE OP TILE NATION* I called upon the royal authority : but in ens% er to this he may be On the motion of the CHANCEL,LOR of the lodes of po. told that the throne was then vacant, and that the EXCIIEQUER, the House, in pursuance of theCtr- el, or to et. abdicating Monarch had thrown himself into the arms der of the Deiy, resolved itself into a Committee a nainuance ; of the enemy. True ! but he would ask was not the the whole House, to consider the State of t h e Natio n . n his judg. personal exercise of the royal functions as fully defec- Mr. Lushington took the chair. ate that the tive now as then ? He thought the proceeding by The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUEIL T, an exile. way of Bill irreconcileable with the plainest prince. then rose, and spoke to the following effect : to more ne. pies of the Constitution. He hid heard it was very. Mr. Lushington—ln consequence of the node* 1 the House recently advanced in that Hou s e, that a fourth estate which I recently gave, I now rise to call the attention lode of pro- existed in the realm, viz. the King, the Lords Tern- of the Committee to the consideration of that disas- of the royal por al, the Lords Spiritual, and the Commons ; - he trous state of the Nation into which the unfortunate . ompendieus had heard this in the way of report, but if the Lords indisposition of his Majesty—an indisposition so se- , ending evils Spiritual were meant distinctly, it must be in the way verely felt and so universally lamented by the coun. of convocation ? try-.-has placed it. I feel, Sir, that in doing this it n answer to Earl STANHOPE had to defend an absent Noble must be wholly unnecessary for me to make any po- d, observed, F r iend (Lord Grenville.) What the Noble Duke culiar efforts to excite the interest of the Committee :ould not be said, would be putting nonsense into his mouth. He on such an important subject. When we consider the. e deserved, had said no such words, but merely that the Lords nature of the calamity, to the existence of which our to a view of Spiritual and Temporal composed that House. The present meeting is to be attributed, it is impossibbe eat the pre- Noble Earl then adverted to the mode of proceeding not to contemplate it with the utmosi pain mad sym- a discussion, determined on by Ministers--she incalculable delays pathy. Had such a malady fallen on the humblest :ntering into and protracted discussions it would induce, especially individual in the land, one with whom we were to. the citcum- since a Noble Friend had notified his intention to tally unconnected by relation, dependenee,or initest, the present move the previous question upon the second resolu- it would unqitestionably be our endeavour. first tie Government tion ; and his Lordship induced some risibility by h is p rovide the means of restoring that individual ID hich pressed observing, that it was very unustnd for Ministers to health, and secondly to swim to hint affectionate it those dill. ask„, Noble Lords at his side of the House (as last geardians until that restoration should be effikted..e. sus duty was night), what they intended to do, though it was very Had such a malady fallen on those to whom we were }e-intellel. Of ewe:unitary for. the Oppoeition to ask Ministers what attached by dearer ties, the feelings in every man . s ed . of them they intended, but perhaps they no longer considered breast must, lam sure, render unnecess a ry any de- end all pm- themselves as Ministers ! Scription of the course which we should hasten to 'm- other the pe. Lord ERSKINE observed, that it was his general sue. But, Sir, in the Instance of our Sovereign—ea red that the custom not to deliver his sentiments until he had heard Sovereign who has how reigned so long over th)s Iced. Underwho has !mien on the Throne ! the vet iees of those who were to discuss i sub- several short i• H e e p oxi ed therefore reserve te m & for above half a century---blessecl by his people , ject with him. cement an op- i. unt il watchful of their interests—wholly and markedly it- oceedings as he heard the arguments of the Noble Earl oppo. tents to preserve th e true principles of the Constitp- site, in endeavouring to prove that the only legal and wof the case, tion—a Sovereign, whose virtues have been the con. Constitutional mode of proceeding was by Bill. In postpone the stain and just theme of our praise and admiration- addition to the various objections applicable to the induct of his I say, Sir, that when such a Soveraign becomes ox prcedent of 1788, there was the consideration of the sy a full view afflicted, lam fully con fi dent there is not a bean in essential difference in the circumstances of t hat and that ground the present period. He highly approved of a candid the country which does not beat . with the wannest in which they sympathy for his distress . . ' These, .Str, are thp teelags and manly declaration of sentiments, when difference tercel. With of opinion existed between those who loved and re- which arise in my mind en a view of the subj , fct strictly p . He argued for the competency of the States of the ersonal ; but there art others , deeply csie- ted to by his spected each other ; such was uniformly his practice. 'as not aware netted with the public interest , which are cal led forth Realm -to supply the defects in the Constitution ; to i service by the by a mace general view of the stsbject. It is to tbese hat Ministers icier other sir- maintain the contrary would be to favour revole. considerations to which I now wish to call th e atten- tion of the Committee. Among the foremost of these Bonney principles. But the mode which Ministers is the fact, that by the present state of his Majesty's rased his Ma- meant to pursue was, among other objectionable ures which the points, censurable, as forming a clumsy system of health, the functions of the executive government ire y would, with mac hi ner y, operese in its progress, instead of the re - in a great measure suspendEd , and the public service ;elves, do that gu l ar , s i m ple, and direct way contended for by those impeded and embarrassed. Sir , I lament that, it to the safety, w i t h w h om he had the honour to act ; and he eon- should fall to the lot of such an ind iv idual as myself , , leaving to the e l u d e d by deprecating every moment of unnecessary from the situation in which I have the honour to be . td decide upon I d e l a y, as highly injurious to the interests and safety placed, to address the Committee on this subject. I should feel wholly inadequate to the undertaking , if ne he sat down o f the country. I did not think that I could point out, from the ex- upon another iz. the mode of The Earl of LAUDERDALE spoke generally in ample of those who have struggled against calamities support of the arguments urged by Noble Lords on of a similar nature to that under which we now ha- or by Address. his side of the H ouse, and censured the line of pro- hour, the mode which we ought to pursue as the iad.been he to seeding adopted by Ministers. as productive of•most best calculated to extricate us from the di ffi culties of eanngs, e was injurious delay, and only for the purpose of retaining our situation. We are at the present moment, Ter, ie would go far- . proceeding by the power of Government a little longer in their hands, situated precisely as the country found itself situafrd while they seemed totally regardless; of the baneful at the latter end oft he year 1788. The . and which he consequences__ which ensued. ings adopted by the two Houses of Parliament , egular opportu- -3f 1788 afforded The Earl of DARNLEY followed on the same on that occasion—an occasion, I repeat, in which side, and warmly animadverted on the avowal of the we were circumstanced precisely as we are at eding, and that ` Noble Secretary of State, that lee would, did occa. the present moment, will, in my apprehension, iee ) the established i option in such stone offer, advise the Sovereign to adopt the mea- found to be the true line of conduct which the adopt it. sures now pursued by his Ministers. He contended two Houses of Parliament ought now to adopr t - -1 explanation. that the precedent of 4788 was materially deviated and by the adoption of which we shall avail 04r. he delays which Mr. Pitt suffered no unnecessary from, inasmuch as . . selves of the light, of the judgment, and of the . . eding to provide delay to take place on tha t . occasion, while a veryy perieuce of our peedecessors. I have s.tid, sir, t l functions. He contrary line of conduct wa. imputable to them, an d the two cases are the same, Certainly there is a it- hat upon which which was injurious to the best intere sts of the countr y . ference from th e loss of those abilities • and talents referred to on an The E:trl of LIVERPOOL then TOW to propose, I w hich, looking with an eagle eye through our loge! :anted the cases agreeably to his notice of yesterday, the appointment history, and through our Constitution, recom he Second, and of a Committee to search for precedents respecting t h at course which was u l t i mate l y adopted in 7 4.4 , 1 e 5..... :sent Majesty.— the admissibility of proxies under th e p resent circum- Still, however, there are circumstances w hich tinder 788, which pre. stances in which the House was placed. the situation of the country easier pf extrication : Bill, he saw no A conversation rather of a desultory nature took in the year 1768. First, that to which I have t he lapse f Ye4rs, place, chiefly, if not entirely, upon the wording of the alluded—a most important circensstaiice—oa 7, g id he think, when motion, in which the Earls S tanho p e and Firma- the precedent which has been established, and i lidered, there was Liam, Lord Holland and the Marquis of Lansdowne, Sir, that on the prow occasion no question has yet in regularly pro= his Royal Highness the Duke of Clarence, and one been i n trod u ced by wbich the right and duty of or two other Peers participated. The result was, that the two Houses of Parliament, thus called upon to ;erred, he should the Noble Secretary of State new modelled his mo- supply the existing deficiency, has ever been glanced the present occa- tion, which then was for the appointment of an open- at. We know, Sir, how much the discussions of 1788 ado him the jus- Committee, to search for precedents as above, and were embarrassed, and how many difficulties then vhatbe must feel to report the result of their enquiries to the House ; presented themselves by the assertion of an inherent he calamity which that all the Lords present be members of the Corn-right elsewhere, a right afterwards so properly dig. scussions, he was mittee, and that the Committee do meet toeucgrow. churned. There is also another consideration which acio of a Private Vs Wei tOra adjourned tillSaturklay. - . should induce us to expect that the debates on the 4 . k.; .: - . . • I . . . ' • .. . .'' • .. .