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P .1.10.14,1 LEA ,11( LS. HOUSE OF LORDS, I: it; 1; ti:at ;Lc .%:.: •:. ! to, ' ru,tl thi:d :t ss.." t,7•C, ..".! ; W,:bo.•• on? t nNtirl. 'File Marine . Alutit.y the rrnt. , itirt..: D-..t. : •nr., ard fev, , .o. priv..re 1416 aue rhea r. ipr. - ilVe 1 b.. ail. Cutton:t Excite Dut7 11 C'orurnittc,!, and the rciturt ,rdtred :or to-rr arrow. TRIVOLOC'S AaRFST lIII.t. On the motion that the above Bill be read and reported, Lord !slot obferved, that there was a elinafe which he H ifhcti to be introduced into the Biil. Butas it was not propoled in the Committee yeiieri day, there might be i*orne informality in propotmg it in the ref:int fiati;e oldie Bill. It vs as a clank, indeed, which made no material alteration in the meaiiiie, lint in miler to be its iti lei compliance ith the rules and proceeding , of the !Link, lie %nett lie Habit be eel permit ion to move that the Bill he recommitted to-niiirrow, for the purprife of receiving the choice in due form. With regard to the principle and tendency of the Pill, he Itill retained his otir,;mil notions, though lie was by no means ii,elinod to !dim the power of creditors over &boos, cfpecialle in cafes where a clafs of perfons, calling themielses Gentlemen, :night be to twit-and their CT tditors, in debts not aniountilig to mute than tol. It never, indeed, voterrd his mind th.it ally oafs of credi tors could be injured by the measure which lie had the honour of bringing forward. . 2 1,1,R n C ASCE LIMIt left the Woolfack, and : declared that the Noble Lord's Bill at fira, and in molt of its provitions, met with his entire and molt cordial Rant ; and he cot:felled it had done the highelt honour to the Noble Lord's head and heart. But, upon more cool and mature confider. 3tion of its tendency, he was now convinced that tt wiiii!d not anfwer the objeEt which the Noble Lord had in contemplation ; on the contrary, from a vat iety of miles, it would afford no real relief to the debtor, while it might materially injure and opprefs the creditor. As to the point of form for inut the claufe, it was his opinion the Bill Mould meet with no delay on that account. A notion, he imagined, might be now made for the Houfe now to refolve itfelf into aCommittee for the purpofe of receiving the claufe, after which the report might be received, and the Bill read a third time to-morrow without its encountering any fur ther delay. His Lordlhip's fuggeftion being agreed to, the Bill was recommitted, the daubs and report re ceived, and the Bill ordered to be read a third time to-morrow. On the motion that the Pat-Office Duty B:11 be committed, _ .T Lord AUCKLAND rote to animadvert on fame inaccuracies in the Bill, to which he had alluded on a former occafion. The inaccuracies which he adverted to were contained in a clam& of the Bill, which not only Rated the duties to be impofed on Ireland, and the exemptions therefrom. but alto to certain exemptions which Ihould obtain in England. The exemptions were in farour of perfons which were not acknowledged. This claufe had no con nation with the title of the Bill, and therefore, in his opinion, mutt he altogether rejeaed. The ob ject of the Bill was clofely connected with a depart ment over which he had the honour to prefide ; he hoped their LordLbips would creole the anxious caution and jealoufy which he should naturally feel refpeding every thing that concerned its re gulations and profperity. Since he had the honour M being connected with it, he had the fatisladion to obferve, that this branch of the revenue became daily more flourilhing, and that it now amounted to abuse 900,00c1. He was fenfible. indeed, that his objection to this claufc mull prove fatal to the Bill ; yet, as the inaccuracy he complained of could not pats over unobferved by their Lordfhips, lie trolled the Noble Lord on the Woolfack would be pleafed to fuggefl the moil effectual and fpcedy means of getting over the objection, svitbout re tarding to any inconvenient length-the paffing of the Bill, which it was neceffary Ihould be in force in a very fhort time. The LORD CHANCELLOR acknowledged the in accuracy. and lamented it Ihould have crept into the. bill. As, however, it was urgent to pafc it, he thought the belt mode nf proceeding would he to . ire the order for commitriog it dii:harged:that the bill fhould be then lead a th'ird time, :nil fent to the other Houle, with the amendment of their Lordfbirs expunging the ob'e(t•onable This prompt mode nt procc:At; would afiord the cther Houle furtichmt time i o a ncw Lill in a thape not ineole ink the il!n-c Lord RICK Would detain titer Loisilhips hut with a few oblervations on the prclent god ,ion. Sitice it line: been allude.] to yederday, he had taken the troithli: xamining into it more and he I. ;Ind that pertims whnrn the No ble I nail .( A tiekiand) I.4,:eientc-.1 aaving no cliaraoer in this coentry, otheis :;:e ;iecrctary of State Ire Irc' -1.1, were re cognip:d in the Irilh Pith Orlic.: Doty 1.;;I!.. r•t the years And tR7.•r--i , ltiL.,:d, in e% cry bits;;;;ce the : and he t:i Irelai:d, uh whole iiit.i:!:, ; As to i,.!1:.; nearly concerned, tiioill' (.1 the f e w ;;;.:leges 1:.:t i , -; to cu. joy. As :0 die I':' ::t ‘wc No t. , ;e :•.;. 1 ,1 ed., or the , :nt of ti,rni lii.t n •:;1 .4 .' .11 Lord ((ac Chaticel4.l ) lay no thing. The tr.:it ,•I e :4. I! • r iity thivg on which.hc Ilr, !r) ; to lhotild offer !1 , 1 .1. I.ord AUC1L , ..A..1) 1:4. ;..111.11 1; I:notre and Mar . .) a fricod ro tlic a t! iwt.tt jr.JauJ as any man "1 . - ac I.Tn• ,n ‘.. t. a - . ritr„/1"r loch 11C A... "• t •onitte ,), t. t: 't t'! ) .1111".:11• r.rty triumph. f: 101 .vtd • ) 14troutei.! under 14n2 t. I ;, • %% F A : re • g—: rd to dr: places :a !I? lopr. d t. 1( . • r !o • rll • it i,t tLeni i.t ; ATI it 1. I iris t:Larts •aira that nu : . r ,c!:• ing fhould be nnn eetfratily exter.l.l to them—it was an abufe againft which be had often contend ed, and againft which he fhould always continur to contend. The LORD CHANCELLOR hared that Ireland fliould never experience any thing illiberal or no ft the part of the Imperial Parliament. He could at leaft anfwer for himfeif as an individual ; and confcious he was that he felt difpofed to at as anxionfly and as flrentinully for whatever re garded the interells of Ireland, as for the part of the Empire in which he was born and educated. Indeed, he looked upon the inhabitants of Eng- land, Ireland, and Scotland as the children and fubjeas of the fame parent and Sovereign, and be united they would all unite in hand and heart to repel any infult or attack that might be offered againft any of them. To the prote6lion and de. fence of Ireland he looked as earnealy as to the defence of this part of the United Kingdom; and it in a bill like the prefent Ireland was introduced inlead of England, he &mid exaelly have follow ed the fame courfe of proceeding as he had now adopted. Lord LIMERICK and Lord CARLETON raid a few words in approbation of what had fallen from the Noble and Learned Lord, after which the bill was read a third time, and ordered back to the Commons.—Adjourned. HOUSE OF COMMONS. The Sse.tert took the Chair at half RR three, and tome private Mariners having becn rode through, Mr. K. l'onct.t., Chairman of the Chippenhana EleCtion Collimator, reperttd to the Houk that the Committee had not proet eded to !latrine(' this day, on account of the abrenee of one atheir Mcmlwr., (Mr. Grofvenor).—Ordcred that Mr. Graf vcnor do attend in hia place to-morrow. Menenger brought froni the Lords the Port Office Bill, parkd by their Lordthips with tonic amendment, to which they prayed the concurrence of this Houle. _ . _ 'i he ATTOINEY GENERAL, rurfuant to his notice yeller day, moved for leas , - to bring in a Bill, to introduce Come new regulations in the Office of the mteveyor General of his Majef ty's Woods and Foreits —l.e.tve was given. _ . . Th. Dublin Royal Canal bill was read a Iceond tlme.-ot dered to be committed. Sir MATT HEW RIDLEY moved the Order of tht Day for calling John Hall, guilty of prevarication and perjury in evi dence, before the Great Grimiby Committee, to tue Bar of the Hr oat brought to the B4r accordingly, and on the motion of Sir Matthew Ridley, after being reprimanded by the Speaker, ordered to be diftharged on paying the fees. NOTTING ELZCTION: Mr. HAwstes Bitowna reported frost the Committee ap pointed to try the merits of the Petitions complaining of an un due Eledion and Return for the Town and County of the Town of Nottingham; that the laid Committee had deter mined that Jofeph Birch, Efq. was not duly eleeted to ferve in Parliament for Paid Town: alto that Daniel Parker Coke, f fq. was not duly eleCted: alto that the bit Eledion was void with refpiet to one of the Elurgeffes: aifo &moot any, nor either of the Petitions was frivolous or Velltiollg ' • and that the oppo iition of Jofeph Birch F:fq. was neither frivo'ous nor veer iota Mr. HAWICINI Blowout reported Ilkewife the feveral Re (elution, agreed to by that Committee. Refolved, That John Allen, Efq. Returning Offices for the Town of Nottingham, sand contrary to his duty, in opening a Poll and Jaceping tt open an hour, until forty-four votes were taken, when there was no Candidate. Rejoked, That it appears to the CoMmittee, that after the B'll day the Freedom of EIe&oo was grofsly violated by out rageous dlfturionoces and perfonal violence. Maud, Thu Daniel P. Ccke, Efq. after repeated taroks and violence, was compelled to leave the Town, and could not venture to a corn after, and that numbers of EMl:tors were de tared from ere:rang their franchge. Refaced, That John Dutton, Efq. Mayor, and Jokph and Thomas Oldknow, Aldermen, of Nottingham, had ufed no effettoal means to adore the freedom of Eketion,by (appealing the riots or punkin the daubers of the peace. Refolved, That a Common Han held at Nottingham, on Wednefday the Bth of January left, after the Petitions bad been preferred to Parliament, at which it was refoived that all ex. peaces that may be incurred in this cafe by John Allen, John Davila:, Jofeph and Thomas Oldknow, Scald be defrayed at the expence of the Corporation, was calculated to defeat the ends of lattice. Moly. d, That to prevent a repetition of the fame violence at cir future kleEtion, the Houfe be moved for leave to bring in a Bill to give to the Magnicates for the County of the Tenn of Nottingham, powers to adopt cif Etna' merns for fecuring the peace of the Town during an Eledion. Refaved;rhat unless lonic Nob meanie he adopted previous to the next El/is:Lion, there can be no freedom of Median in that• Town. Received. That the evidence rioduced to the Committee k Lid bete, e the Hoare. Ref.lied, 'That Alexander niter, who foliated Subferip tions to one of the Petitisins prefented to the Houle, was highly rulpslde in Rating to the fubferibcrs that the allegations It con tained complained only of the intimitlation of many of the Eleetors from the eke:tile of their franchife,in concealing from thou the allegations, aceufing John Dasifon, John Allen, Jnfeph and 1 honing Oldknow, of not having ufed any effedual means t ftprr rs the riots, sat in letting to the Petition the names of flatten fictions, w►o were net at Nottingham at the time of tract lOW HAWICIMS BROWNE then moved that the further confederation of the Report be postponed to Wcdneiday, the 20th of April. Mr. Fox role, he laid, not to oppofe the motion of the lion. Gentleman, but to Rate in a few words what were his fentiments on the fubjed. It did I not appear to him that there was any ground for vleferring the confederation of the Report to fo dii tint a day, and though he fhould not oppofe the motion at prefent, nor give notice of any precife motion on his own part, yet he should not con fider hirofelf precluded by this forbearance from moving in the intermediate time, that a writ fbould be ilTued for the Election of a Burgefs for Not. tingham. nowt's:3 133ownv replied, that it was much againil his-own inclination that he felt him binsfsif under the neceflity of prolonging it for In I:4:g a time. lie did it that all the Members may have an opportunity of examining thoroughly into the evidence laid before the Committee, and that thould be done to all parties. The Report was ovdered for further confidera ti,;o i•li tiie awl' of April. M:.H wstxsßßowNcthenmoved,thatminutes the j." . ..!eedings of the laid Committee be laid before :' Houle. The minutes were brought up, rand a ft:fricicnt number of copie‘for the ufe of the Members in ,kred to be printed: The Honourable Member then moved that no writ be riTtred for the elaction of a Burgers for Not tin ;ham, until after the further confideration of the Report. Mr. Fit could not think that the Houle woeld precipitately and unjnaifiably com e t o an y re f o l u . Con of this nature. }le law no reafon, nor did he think the s eater pint of the Hon* could difeover a ny, for in extraordinary a delay. Ile could ma , .iiiy concei ve that the non. Mover and Seconder of the mot:cn ma) b: in pnifefros, from their atten• stance on the Committee, of circuaglances to jut tify filch a preciphakt mnarorc. : t a bare tiara, from whatew:r • • • I, .si it y, i e did not conlhki a ground for elablithing a bad precedent. He wdhed to have an opportuni,y (.Ilooking into the Report, not i-.to the rointitcF , pr the proceeding before he thould be mcc:inc!..l, b::1 Refoltrh•n.r! the Houfe from purtoing it he thom , ht the lint of his duty. He witheckto alcertaia svhetber there were grounds in the Report for keeping the town of Nottingham fit long a time without a repadel,- tative, and in a Rate idcleaion, for it was obvious to every one that it would be in loch a Rate until the eldtion (hould be completed. He therefiut wifhed for'time for that inquiry before the mo tion fnould he complied with. Mr. BOND obferved, that the motion complained of was precifely conformable to what had taken place on many former occafions. The Committee informed the Houfe, that it appeared to them, that nule:s means were adopted to prevent the repeti tion of the fame violence that had taken place at the lall elthion there, no free eldlion could be had for the town of Nottingham. The Committee only claimed that confidence which had been repofed frequently in other Committees. They a11:14 Gen tlemen but to furpend their opinions until the cir ctimitances fhould be brought fully before them. Mr. HAWKINS BROWNE and Mr. Fox feverally laid, in explanation—the former, that he thought it the mode moil relpei9ful to the Houk to avoid a detail of his reafons, and refer Gentlemen to Ole matter of the report for proof of the violation c f the freedom of ele6tion by the mob; the latter, that he did not rctufe his confidence to the Corn Rrlittee, but wiflied to be informed of the fithjeifl of the motives to delay, as no man could maintain that the crimesalledged to be committed con Rituted a lufficient reaflin why no writ fhould be ilfued. Mr. WILLIAM DUNDAS fpoke to the fame as Mr. Bond. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHICirER concurred in the motion. The Committee declared :hat Ie• giflative interference was neceffary to enfure the freedom of elet!lion at Nottinharu. P.'as it not fit, he afked, in fuck a cafe, that tLe Houle thould interfere ? Was it not fit that credit filould be given to the report of Gentlemen fworn to do their duty impartially ? Ought the Houle to refufe its confidence under filch circumfiances ? He was fure the Houfe would paufe until it had provided the means of preventing the recurrence of filch atrocities on any future occafion. I'LL he would not pledge himfdf to follow up the refolution ; but he thought it a refpeß due to the report of is Seidl Committee to agree to the motion. .The motion was then put and agreed to. Mr. Gcosvacrut was ordved to attend in his place to-morrow, having been reported abfent from the Chippenham Committee. RESIDENCE OF THE CLERGY. Mr. DICKENSON, fenior, moved for leave to bring in a Bill to fantod for a (port time the ope ration of an Alf of Henry VIII. fo far as it relates to the retidence of the Clergy. Sir ROBERT Burros had !weed that the Bill In long promifed to meet this evil, would have made its appearance before now. He declared that if the Bill was not brought in during the prtfent te flon he would ever hereafter oppofe it. Mr. HAWKINS BROWNE fubmitted whether the Ali declaratory of the AEt of Henry VIIL and Rating the fpecies of non-refidenee that flould come properly under the operation of the Aft, would not remove every difficulty The CHAN cata.ot of the Exotic*, ea fiend, that the indifpofition of the Honourable Gentleman (Sir William Scott), who had prepared the Bill, and out of whore hands the Houle, he was confi dent, would not be difilofed to take it, had been the caufe of the delay hitherto. That Gentle. , man's health was now improved, and he would in a fhort time be able to bring his meafine forward. There would not be re many objeftions to the Bill this year as there were Llft year; for many new lights had been derived from the dilculon that had then taken place. Mr. P. CAREW fupported the motion. Leave was given to bri.g in the Bill. SIR THOMAS TROWBRIDGE. Captain Marteir,ass role for the purpnfe of call ing the attention of the Houk to a fulajefl of great delicacy. Wherever the charafter of a Member was concerned, inveffigation ought to he entered into and due relief afforded. He was lorry that he felt it necelfary to bring forward the fubjefl, as the Honourable Gentleman who was d ee ply concerned in it was a relation of his own, and had a high fituation at the Board of Admiral ty ; he meant Sir Thomas Trowbridge. Some days ago, in a debate, an Honourable Member in his eye (Mr. Dent) had Rated that fine very improper tranfattions had taken place on the Stock Exchange, and 'ince that Ilatement had been made, feveral impreflions very unfavourable had gone abroad with refped to Sir Thomas.— The Hon. Gentleman tht:r proceeded to Rate the fads, as contained in an affidavit made by Sir Tho mas's agent, already declared in all the papers, wherein that Gentleman (wears that): fold out the flock, not in coufequence of any orders tiom the gallant Knight, but from the tenor of initruaions he received a long lime ago to fell out fliould the re be any profpeet of the Funds getting law. Ile concluded by faytn,.;, that he meant to move for a Committee to inve:tigatc the matter. Mr. Dew r in his own vindication, raid, that he by no means intended vi lingidarize Sir Thomas Trowbridge in what had fallen from him, neither did he intend the moll diffant infinnation uf the nature with which the Hon. Gentleman had charged him. What had efeaped him, Was in the crurtc of debate, and he had only repeated in general terms, a report current in every ffreet in tne city. The CHARCCLLOR of the Escritopre beggcd to Rate, that the gallant Knight was for seve ral hours after the report reached him, in fuel' a fituation as only thofe firfeertible at the pangs of wounded honour could fetl. Sir Thomas Trowbridge, both as a man and tut officer, was endued with the molt untainted honour.— The Hotunerahle Gentleman had (poke only in general language ; of this he complained, hut wished him to f i p.al: out, and he would he fully and fairly anfwet ed. He c2ncludcd by vindi: cat:!•it th: I,c!ccy of C;0v.21:.!-::-; L.'. • :be Kin 1\1.4 1 :17t, and tl.-• t• lha.t ::>;fiatned, and n.ated. CIVIL LI,T. The C11.1V.:• ...Loa of the rk role iu purliati,ce of the !tato. e move lot. a Committee to inquire trio the ( upon the Civil Lift Revenue, and to lepoi t fame, with their opinion the, ei-n. _lle laid, tha t nteafitre was fonntled opotalti Majcity's lvldfage, delivered to the Houte jail SJl:ons : however, that it had not been bt otigla fn: w at , former, and that a cc, iain degree of delay hd. taken pl.tce, becaufe it would put the Hi.fe 1:: pa:II:Ilion of the Charges tiros! die Civil Lill, nietclv in time of wnr, but alto in titre of pear.:, and alto enable the Houfe to ft: in a c0m...0 of the nature of the Charges with whielt it burthened. He then moved," That Ids M...j , Meilli;:e to that Houle, of the isth Fchrt4t; y, t Iheittld read." The TAlLlETelt.tvin•; The CHAst.F.t.i.oic tl . dic Ex ...it nt: !•1 x cot.;:s t: ,. ; that in craill.quence of that Pie: age, fliince had thought proper to relieve his from the hitt then of a richt contrPled tie ti Civic Lift during a I'ZIIOd of 16 )42n! e Houle had not adverted :o that part r t the I-le:i . age which limed that the Civil Lill had not ()ten t. uul adequate to the char,ezcs %eh:eh were to he p.,;,1„„ t of it ; lie therefore wiihed th it :lie fintife inqu: le into the nature and extent of the charges upon the Civil Lill. It the Houle io;iitute an iniptity of that kind, it ~,,d fail, petit-v., that a new m ,, de of diliihutirn vith regard to the charges tinsolJ be ad , )ptc..l ; it n;ig).t be found expedient that lonic which Wert now paid out of the Civil Liii, iiionld fall in future upon theConfiilidated Fund. It might be es:pecker-a', that Come mealute fhisuld be adop!td to prevent an acenmillation of charges in filmic upon the Cirtf Lihl : it might he cape:l'm:it. that within a give l period after m the comencem.nt --I every c e it on , art Account of all the additi•inal Charges. up . ia, anl all the new allowances paid out of the Civil Ihnuld be laid before fhe Houle, Er that Parliament would know when every excels took place, a;al when the expence exceeded the revenue. Meatii:cs of this kind he might, after inclitiry, he to be expedi ; i.e •!:.fired not to be undet -- , icdging Limfelfto any fileci tic propoiinon. I vas certainlytrite that in the hill SARonof Parlia ment the •Honfe did not encore all that appeared to be material to execute with rereote to 114 Ma. jelly's bleifige, and he certainly did not after wards bring forward fi'r the confideration of the Honfe ail that he had opened to them when he called their sattentioa to t h e ti t hj e a. It was i t. , • with now that no proceeding thanld he adopted by which any pnflible charge could be hrough Lion the Public, until ariek an inquit v - by a COT. mittee of that How:7. It would then he for the Houle to determine whether any new arrangement fimilar to that of 176ei fhould be adopted, whe ther the Civil Lift fitould be relieved from in:re ha theta Which it i; tot a: le to beat ?and whei:e Such an account &mid he laid before the as he had before allinied to ? which would ear* them to know when any increafe took place its Lt.? Charges of the Civil Lill, which were merely cf a political natttre, and which would give them a cheek and contruul upon the espeoces of tit.: Fund. Upon there grounds lie moved, 4, That v. -Committee be appointed to ingetire into 11. e. charge; upon that Revenue, and that they flait:;t report the fame, with their opinion thereon, to the Houfe." The motion was agreed to. He then moved, That it limuld Le a Select committee, confiding of twenty one Meutbers."— Agrecd to. The following Gentlemen were Appointed: The Chancellor ot the Fici,,,Ntr. Right Hon. C. Bragge Lord Han Ice:bury Matte of the RulL Mr. R..ir.e Mr. I. H. Brown Right Fiwi. J. Stewan Mr. H. Lakellos Mr. f ISot Mr. Egerton Sir Eyre Cane Lord Boy!. Mr. Lee Mr. R. P. Carew Mr. Millard Mr. R.Dundas Mr. Dagdsie Mr. Blackhunne (f.ancathiw) W. 7:. Vs... Straw Sir I...Parkins Jr Chiding. The CuaeciLaot of the Etc'. tut* mover.. That the Account of the Civil bit Etlahlliimeil and Payments, prefented to the li.nite is ; 7F6.and alfn the Account of the flAte of the Cord 1 it p,refented lan Setlion, Mould be referred to the fata Committee.—Ordered. .1 . 11! CIIANCELLOR oldie Ezettr- , ,!•ra rrefeittei at the Bar fomc further AccountiJcfpcaing the Civil Lilt. The A TTOItII Gil l IR AL, in rurfitance of the notice he gave yeflerday, moved for leave to brings in a Bill for making certain regulations in the of of Surveyor General of his Majefly's Woods and Forells.—Leave was given. MUSH MILITIA. The Report of the Committee on the Irilh tia Bill V 143 bronght up, On the quellion that the Refolu ions be read a fcconJ time, _ _ Mr. Wit.DtlAl4 role, and hegan Ms oppnfitioot" the mcafurc by agraring the 'Hence, drat he is not a iruend to the Militia Inflitution in Engle that he was i liill lets lo to it in Scotland. and, tr • II grater degree, unfriendly to it in Ireland.- It y. 41 well known :hat it cannot take place iral7... land, as in Eng! aid, by h.llot t and inficad faying you ought to have it by hownty, he wool` fay. you ough t not to have it a t He paid fort — high compents to the Militia, and to what .: had heretofore done; and meant, on the tucks , : occalion, only to impute to it defefts to which is liable. At this moment of imminent danger, En Paid, we want an effeCtive force, that was Jifiat.G ble, well difcipfined, and capable of &fling otfes lively as well as defentively. He looked on the Militia as an army without erperiessce of maw! fervice, and he laid that it was, and mua be, in a very great degree, defer ire in dilcipline and full ordination to its officers. In an army you espyu to find a perfeet knowledge of the art and tradeot %%Ai, in (mitt to make it at:dual ; but he new lit!, and ente inn he 3 thni lie flop and