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or unwisely, was not then the question, bad been left to the sole disposal of the Crown. If, however, thit House or any Member• of it was of opinion that • fund amounted to such an enormous sum as ought not to be vested in any one without the controul Parliament, and wished to bring the subject under the consideration orthe House, such Member had a right to move for such accounts as would be necessary to bring the question properly before the House. If the question arose out of the amount of the sums of which this fund consisted, then it was necessary to knoll, what those sums were, and when that was once given,. the next question would naturally arise, as to its ap plication. As to the instance which had been men tioned of the Hon. Baronet behind him (Sir Home Popham), part of the cargo, which was his own. pro perty, became forfeited to the Crown from a breach of the law in a case which the East India Company might have licenced, and in consequence of the ser vices which the Hon. Baronet had rendered the Crown and his Country, also from his services while he was in India, it had been thought fit, under all the circumstances of the case, to remit the -forfeiture ; but the remission of a forfeit was nothing like a grant of droits, and therefore be thought not at all applica ble to the present debate. Mr. ADAM said, that he wished as much as any one, that this question should come to a full and com plete issue, and this could only be attained by procu ring an ample and perfect account of the amount of those droits ; and it was his opinion that the motion made by the Hon. Baronet could not attain that ob ject. He thought at the same time that the amend.. meat was capable of effecting it ; but still he thought that was in itself defective, inasmuch as it dickixot go to the application of the money arising from those droits. Would that be proper at the present moment ? He thought not, but that it would come with better ef fect after the House had obtained the amount of the fund in question. He was of opinion that the trans action which had been mentioned by his Hon. Friend near him (Mr. Lnshington) ought to he inquired into, but not in this way. The droits of the Admi ralty had been left at the sole disposal of the King ; and in 1795, his Majesty gave for public purposes the money arising from several Dutch prices, which amounted to a million ; and the House by their ac ceptance, had sanctioned the right of the King's dis posing of those droits which way he thought proper. Still, however, this fund appeared to be too great to be possessed by any one without being subjected to ' the controul of Parliament, especially if it could be shewn that there had been any instances of a misap plication of the money arising from it. He hoped, therefore, the Hon. Baronet might be induced to with. draw his motion, and let the amendment be adopted, which in his mind would more completely answer the purposes he wished to attain. Sir C. POLE said, neither the original motion nor the amendment met his idea of effectually obtainnig the object proposed : neither of them took any notice of any other captures than those made at sea, whereas there were many that were made in our ports. He I then read, as part of his speech, an amendment which had suggested itself to him, and which he thought would be effectual—which embraced the captures of ships in port also, and directed the amount of pro ceeds to be given in different columns, distinguishing the particular nature and amount of each capture. — He further stated', the captors in the case which had been alluded to )`ad not received their prize-money till last May, which was an interval of ten years, and which rendered it no prize-money at all, for from such a lapse of time, perhaps, more than one half of the captors were dead. A division then took pace on the amendment : For the amendment, 82 Against it, .57—Majority, '25. On being admitted into the Gallery, we found The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER on his legs, and mentioning a Bill which he meant to in:- troduce to-morrow, in consequence of the Resolutions agreed to some nights past on the Orders in Council. It was, he said, his intention, after the Bill had been read a first time, to have it printed, and he hoped the Hon. Gentlemen opposite would have no objection to discuss the principle bf the Bill on Tuesday. EXPEDITION TO PORTUGAL. Mr. ABERCROMBIE said, that at the request of the Right Honourable Secretary of State, he should postpone the Motion of which he had given notice for that evening, to Monday next. NOTICE. Mr. EDEN gave notice, that he would to-morrow movefor an Account of all Neutral Vessel, brought into any of the Ports of Great Britain, is pursuance of the Order of Council of Noveml• 9,1807. sure the Hon. BarOllet who made it, wished to have a fall and sqmplete account of those droits, and also of the application of the money arising from thca. The original motion would, in his opinion, effect this : but he did not think the amendment would, and therefore he thought the original motion should be persisted in.- Sir FRANCIS BURDETT said, that in his mak- . ing the motion, he tettainly wished for the fullest dis covery as to the droits, and also the application of the' money arising from them : - it was matter of verygreat importance, and which he, as a Member of Parliament, thoughthe had a rightto demand. From the candid and liberal manner in which the Right Hon. the Chancellor of the Exchequer had expressed himself, in introducing his amendment, he felt extremely inclined to accede to it ; but from the unexpected turn which the debate had taken, and the disclosure of so extravagant and flagrant a misapplication of a certain part of the mo ney arising from the proceeds, his opinion was greatly altered, and he thought his duty required that he should persist in his motion as it had been originally introduced. Mr. WHITBREAD said, he thought that now the Committee had withdrawn, the House were in pos session of the Advocate General's speech again, and he Might proceed as if no interruption had taken place. The ADVOCATE GENERAL then proceeded to- state, that the Hon. Baronet, when in India, was known to persons in the highest offices there to be a British subject; that he was very much countenanced by them, and in consequence of the services he had rendered the East India Company, by taking the soundings of Prince of Wales's Island, and other parts in thOse seas, he had received such recommendations to the Court of Directors, as had procured him some very valuable presents from them. From India he had, however, sailed to China, and at Canton had taken in a cargo of tea without any licence from the India Company, which rendered the transaction a breach of the law, and as such the cargo was liable to forfeiture; but it was not a Droit of the Admiralty ; it was not what had fallen to the King as a capture in time of war, but was merely what be came vested in his Majesty as a forfeiture, in conse quence of the cargo being illegal, for want of a licence from the India Company. With this cargo of tea, the Honourable Baronet was proceeding to Ostend,l in the ship El Trusco, when she was met with and seized by his Majesty's ship the Brilliant ; and the ship and part of the cargo were condemned, for the bene fit of the captors ;• but this part of the cargo, which was the property of the Honourable Baronet, became vested in the King as a forfeit ; and under all the circumstances of the case, it became a question whe ther it was a fit forfeiture for the Crown to take ad vantage of it. On a mature anti deliberate considera tion of the case, he was of opinion that it was not; and therefore he advised the remission of it, which ac cordingly took place. As he had before stated, this fund was given to the King for his sole use ; and he had out of it made several grants for public and na-1 tional purposes. He had also granted several sums out of it for the use and benefit of the younger branches of the Royal Family; and he thought his Majesty had most undoubted right tbete l hs, unless it should be ex rected that he should only father of a family in this country who was not at liberty to shew pe cuniary favours to his offspring. There might be those who thought otherwise ; but he was not ashamed to say, that he differed entirely with them. on that head. He begged pardon for so long a trespass on the time of the House ; but thought it necessary to state those circumstances, as it had been said, that he felt a reluctance to sign the warrant of remission. • Mr. LUSHINGTON, in explanation, said, that he had heard it was with reluctance that the Rights Honourable Gentleman who spoke last had s'gned the warrant for the restitution of the pro perty of the Honourable Captain, and he had stated it as a fact which he thought highly honourable to the character of the Right Hon. and Learned Gentieman. With respect to what had been said by the Honourable Captain, as to his having brought forward this subject thus suddenly with out having given him any intimation of it, the fact was, that he had heard of this transaction sorhe time ago, and finding the motion which had been made was to come on that evening, 'he had pur posely gone to the Admiralty to look into the records of ths transaction ; that this had taken up so much time, he was not able to get down to the House till the motion was made, and then not knowing the Honourable Captain by sight, he had even asked one or two of his friends if he was in the House, who told _, him that he was. Had t he Honourable Captain been PENinto SIONS. e House resolved itself absent, it was his intent ion to have stated the trans- Th a Committee on the Malt and P ac tion without mentioning names, and have left that ension Bill. Sir JOHN NEWPORT said, that in one of the to some future occasion . As the Right Honourable clauses relative to Pensions , tho s e of Widows of Offi. and Learned Gentleman had however expressly stated, cers of the Navy who fell in the service of their coun that no misapplication of the money arising from this try were exempted from the Property Tax ; but those fund had taken place , he thou g ht it his duty to men of the Widows of O ffi cers of the Land Service wh o eon it in the way he ha d done, as he thou g ht it a fell in the same service were not. He should be glad most glaring and flagrant misapplication, and What therefore to know the reason of this distinction, which ought to be more particularly enquired into. he thought very unfair ; as the Widows of Land Of- Mr. BRAND said, he thought this motion was in ficers were as much entitled to exemption as the tended to come at a very important fact, viz. the others. of the proceeds arising from these droits ; M r .IIUSKISSON said, the clause in questio n was the same as a mount and, as such, he would vote in favour of it • ; the had been in the Land. and Malt Bill for many years past; he would amendment being, in his opinion, a colourable pre- however make enquiry before to-morrow, and if there was any t ence for weakening and curtailing the effect of it. error, it should be rectified. Th e CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER Th e CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQ UER said, that those matters which at first sight appeared extraordinary, frequently rose for the purpose of proposing his amendment • but turne d ou t t o have arisen from circumstances w hi c h were strictly The SPEAKER told him he coul d not spe ak to justifiable. It probably might ar mightise from made by a differen an ce in adj the grant t the whole motion , ha vin g spoken before, and must of the pensions, provision be ustmen in another way. The House was r esumed, and the Report or therefore confine hims e l f to ex p lanation. dered to be received to-morrovf. Mr. HUSKISSON then rose, and moved an EXCHEQUER BILLS. g purport ;- 4, - An Ac- The Exchequer Bills Regulation Bill was read a third time, amendment to the following count of the net Proceeds in the Registry of the Court ands of Admiralty, or which had come to the hands of the SPEAKER'S asking if there was any amendment to be propon o o ß r N cti ß se r brought u r p rl t t o ere b.: w atdc e . d e Recsiver'General of Droits, for Captures taken on the High Seas, from the Ist January, 1793, to the , e clause in it by which contractors for circuLting Exchequer Bills were exemaed from present time, distinguishing the amount in each year." vacating their seats in Parliament, and he saw no reason why those The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER, ii contractors should be exempted trom that more than any others. explanation, said, that so far from the amendment be- in M h r. H A USK f ISSO bst N said, the clause in question was h the same as were t neither r y m ear ; n a e n r d i that t the contract han the horws who o er rea men iftg a colourable pretence to weaken or curtail the effect tio L d thane of the original motion, it would have the direct con- Exchequer Bills and diseounted them, and were, to all intents an& trail 'tendency : for the Hon. Baronet's intention purposes, the same as a purchaser of an Exchequer bill ; and tit* would be more fully answered by it, than by the the word circulating was merely an *ld expression used in the Ex- chequer. • original motion. The Hon. Ba ronet wanted to ob- The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER supported tike tam the fullest discovery of the amount of droits, and argument of Mr. . insertsHuskinom aid, the clause objected to Inks this the amendment would procure most effectually ; a verbatim cepy of the clause ned in every bill, *ince the first and it would be only to wait a few days, and then h e adoption of exchequer bills : that it merely meant to protect Cho Bank as agents for the lending of money up on exchequer bills.— might, when he was in possession of the amount of No objection to this clause had ever been ade before ;no actual this fund, move for an account of the application of it. abuse of it had ever yet been imputed, during 60 years; atnl t I.;; had hewn: stated, that this nand, whether wisely therefore be cola not accopt for the proem apprehensionaro', Ministers -would net probably being into that House the brokers eteggayed to circulate exchequer bills. Mr. SHERIDAN said, the enormous extent to which those Bills were issued of late years, • was a ground of apprehension, from the htereate of power this would give to Ministers. He sta ted, that to many of the public offices, viz. to the Treasurer of the Navy, instead of cash, the sums tobe disbursed for the in payment of seamen' wages, etc. naval expenditures were sent down Exchequer Bills, with directions that they should be converted into money by the regular Treasury Broker, Mr. Goldsmid. .Mara in profits by this species of brokerage, were enormous in the course of the year ; and though he might have no objection to see a man of his respectable character a Member of that House, yet he did not wish to have the field opened for others. He con sidered the clause as a virtual violation of the letter and spirit of the 22d of the King, which excluded from the House all public contractors. Ministers avowed, that this clause was merely to protect the Bank from the operation of that statute. They were already protected by another law ; it was, therefore, superfluous. Mr. ROSE spoke in defence of the clause. Lord HENRY PETTY, JOHN NEWPORT, and Mr. ADAMS, opposed the on the same ground with Mr. She ridan, and said that the House should be jealous of ali possible en croachments upon its purity and constitutional independence; and in compliance with the spirit of that act which excluded from Pa rliament all Public Contractors, Ministers were called on in ;roof of their sincerity, not to insist on retaining a nugatory clause for a purpose already provided for by another law. The CHANCELLOR •of the EXCHEQUER admitted, that he saw at present no strong reason for retaining the clause, nor was he aware, until this night, that it was liable to any strong ob jections. However, he was willing to adjourn the further pro ceedings until to-morrow. He should, in the mean time, recon sider the subject, and if he saw no sufficient reason for retaining the clause, he should not then oppose its ex punction. Te third reading was accordingly postponed. The Curates' Bill went through a Committee, and the Repott was ordered to be received to-morrow. ;The }Upon of the Committee of Ways and Means was brought 4, the Resolutions read and agreed to, and Bills ordered to be Pboxitt in thereon. The Report of the Brazil Trade Bill was brought up and agreed to, aml the Bill ordered to be read a third time to-morrow. • The SECRETARY at WAR brought up several Accouats re lative to the Army, which were ordered to be printed. Thu Treasurer of the Navy's Regulation bill was reported, and ordered to be engressed.—Adiouren4_ . . The following is a List of the Minority who voted with Sir FRANCIS BLTRDETT, both for the production of t i tle Account of the droia of Admiralty, and for the ap thcation of them : Abercromby,Hon. 1. Grattan, Rt.Hon.H. Ossulstooe, Lord Agar, E. F. Greenhill, Robert Petty, Lord Henry Anstruther, Hon. Harvey, Eliab Pole, Sir Chas. M. Sir J. Hibbert, George Ponsonby, Hon. F. taring, Thos. 1 tomer, Francis Ponsonby, Hon. Geo. taring, Alex. Hurst, Robert Ponsonby, Rt. Hun. ' Botopffie, Hos. Ed. Ingleby, Sir Wm. George Bradshaw,Hon.A.C. I .mini', Hon. Wm. Prittie, Hon. F. A. Brand, Hon. 'l'. Lloyd, J. R. Pym, Francis Byng, George Lmitinan, George Russell, Lord Wtn. Calcraft, John Lyttleton,Lion.W.H. Shakespeare, A. Cakraft, Sir G. Bart. Macdonald, James Sharpe, Richard Cavendish, Lord G. Markham, John Shelly, 'fiinothy Cavendish, Wm. . Martin, Henry Sheridan, Right Hon. Cavendish, G. H. C. Miller, Sir T. Bart. R. B. Cocks, Hon. E. C. Mills, Charles Tierney, Rt. Hon. G. Coinhe,tH. C. Mills, W. Ward, Hon. J. W. Creevey, T. Moore, Peter Wardel, W. L. Cuthlast, J. R. Newport, Rt. Hon. Whitbread, Samuel Eden, Hon. Wm. P. Sir John, tart. Windham, Rt. Hon. --lkestone,Viscount Orde, William William TELLEILS. Sir Francis Burdett, Bart. and I. Lushingtun. The name of General Lanus was inserted in the List of the Commons Minority yesterday, instead of MALCOLM LAING, ES(I. 'nig EVENING STAR: LONDON. FRIDAY, FEBRUARY 1E PRICE OF STOCKS THIS DAY AT ONE O'CLOCK. Consols, money, 63H—for account 6311-3 per C. Red. 64j. lambert. Bills, par is. prem.—Omnium ti S prem. An American vessel, bound from Bourdeaux to New York, put into Plytnouth on 'Wednesday. The Master of this vessel reports, that he was embargoed at Bourdeaux a month, in consequence of the sailing of two French frigates on the 20th uit. froxl.thence, the Penelope and Themise, both with troops on board. At the time he sailed, the destination of the Rochefort squadron was not known. Boston Papers to the 13th, and New York to the. Bth of January, were this day received in town. These papers confirm the account which we gave yesterday of the arrival.of Mr. RosE at Virginia on the 30th December in the Statira. frigate. But on the 4th of January, Mr. Rom continued on board the Statira frigate, in Hampton Roads, refusing to I land, until he had assurances that himself and the Officers of the frigate in which he came, should receive the same hospitality which had been extended to French and other officers. An express was sent to Washington on this subject, as the subordinate officers to whom Mr. RosE had addressed himself, could not grant him the assurances which he requested. In the mean time it is stated in these papers, that Sir ..Roses powers - to negotiate are so very extensive, ad. -so very conciliatory, that a war, with England wilt not take place, unless the Government of the United States are predetermined on such a hostile measure. Advices from Gibraltar of the 7th ult. arrived yesterday, by which we learn that 120,000 French and Spanish troc! s are on their march against that place, and that '2OO gun-boats were destined to co operate in the attack. A duel was fought on Wednesday afternoon in a meadow near Helstowe, Bucks, between. Mr. C-1, a gentleman of fortune, who resides in London, and Mr. M—d, a merchant, who resides in Gloucester. shire. The parties differed at an inn in Oxford, on Monday, whilst the latter was taking refreshment, on his way to London by a stage-coach. Two shots were exchanged by each, and Mr. C--- was woun ded, dangerously it is supposed, in the thigh. MARK-LAVE, FE& 12.—There are tolerable supplies of Wheat, Barley, and Oats, to-day, with several fresh arrivals ' • but, owing to the heavy fall of snow , gr eat part of the samples could not be exhibited ; and not . many buyers attending, the few sales made are at the smallest fluctuation from our prices of Wednesday. Simmonds, the wretch who murdered the two la dies at Hoddesdon, a few months since, died, it is said, last week, in Hertford gaol, raving mad. He had, it seems, refused to take any food for several days befow, THE ARMY. - fiIAL OF GENERAL WHITELOCKF THIRTEENTH DAY. h The court was occupied this morning in the fur, ;r ezunination of Colonel MeiuoN, relative to the t zar.s. actions of the reserve of the army at Reduction. T i , Court had not finished the examination at twelve o'clock. In consequence of the very unfavourable stat e of the weather, the Court was but thinly attended. NAU.I7CAL INTELLIGAA'CE. PALMOCTtt, Ft D. 9.--Sailed the following packet; mails, viz. the Princess Mary, Captain Pi cock, for New 'fork wa s ingharn, Captain Roberts, for Gibraltar and Malta ; IL A t i t ; Prince Earnest, Captain Petrie, for Barbadoes and Jamaica American brig Gorshan, Chandler, for Boston ; Sidney, c hi ., I for Malta ; London Packet, Hoskins ; and the Fail, Hitehk a for London.—Wind N. yosTsstouTst, ELL I I.—Arrived his Majesty's s!lips, C ent ,. riots, la Franchise, Whiting, and Liunet, with the Aliaids ca st l e, Ceres, Canton, David Scott. Dorsetshire, rzeter, Ocean; so u k Union East Indianan from the Downs : also the Portman/sat of war from a cruize ; she has captured a French lugger pi ma ,: Wind W. Doves, Fes. 11.—Prince Esterfazy embarked this m a i* with his suite, about nine o'clock, anckimmediately sailed fat eb, Ltis, with a fine breeze from the W. S. W. The East baths da;‘, and o ther outward-bound vessels, which passed by betel:m i di ; from the Down's, have been obliged to bear up again this.dsgoit, go again into that Roadstead. Wind S. W. and blows hard, DEAL, FM!. 11.—Arrived the lAutine and Pandora sloops, ` a cruize off Boulogne; Skylark sloop, from the Note; sloop, from a cruize off Flushing ; Avenger sloop, from *Og ; Bold and Wrangler gunbrlgs, from a cruize off Calas.---SiOrkl i ;, Resolute andlndignaut gunbrige, and Pidgeon schooner, laftaik;; having under their convoy the Ranger navaltransport, ands war her of eut wardbound merchant vessels, for Portsmouth, wbmi. have put back again this morning, the wind blowing strong got : the westwird.-r-Arrived the Deptford naval transport (tooth.", mouth, and sailed through for the River.—Wind W. aiSGATE, Fes. 11.-.. The Lord Nelson outwardhousi Ins. Indianan, in passing Broadstairs, got on shore on the Knorildg that place, about 2P. M. Several boats hive gore from lair .d Broadstairs to her assistance ; and the wind being moaerditi at west, we hope she will be got off at high water. • P. S. I have the pleasure of stating, that by an express just re. calved, the Lord NeLson East Indiaman was got of. this Leg, about ten o'clock, without damage. AMERICAN PAPERS. TILL 7RENCIi GRAND JUDO[ TO TUE ruNcn ATTOLAt!• ■ 111 111 i -l•I :B j..ral S b P " GENIRAL. - . Sir—l have submitted to his Majesty the Emperor and rig the doubts raised by his Excellency the Minister of Manse Colonies, on the extent of certain dispositions of the lova Decree, of the 81st November, 1806, which has declared the Eritlib Isles in a sate of blockade. The following are his Ms. jesty's intentions on the points in question :- 1. May vessels of war, by virtue of the Imperial Decreed& 'Slot Nov. last, seize on board neutral vessels, either English ro lefty ac , or viva all merchandize proc eedin g from the English so nuftories or territory Answer—His Majesty has intimated that as he did not thish proper to express an exception in his Decree, there is no pawl for making any in its execution, in relation to any whomsoever, (.11' tried de pi gre ee teat ;err). Std, His Majesty has postponed a decision on the (rem* whether armed French vessels ought to capture Neutral WINS bound to or from England, even when they have no Paint m erchandize on board. (Signed) REGNOIII. The Wasp, undergoing some repair, is ordered to Norfolk with all possible dispatch. She is probably destined to carry an embassy to the all-controlling Napoleon. It is stated in a letter from Washington, that,ia naparte has demanded of our Government the amount of the profits of the imports arising from our conv merce with St. Domingo, since that empire became independent.—(M T. Gax.) Ditynir LANE.—Last night an Opera, of four 41:14 called Kai: ; or, Love in the Desarts, was performed for the first time, the liteary production, as we uncir• is:and, of a Mr. BRANDON, a Gentleman of the kith persuasion. The story of this piece, which is a mere vehicle for the music, is not worth detailing : it relates simply to the loves of Kai', the son of Ahmed, and Leila, the daughter of Amr, who, separated by paternal an. thority, wander in search of each other through Egypt and Arabia, singing songs by moonlight to the whist. ling of the wincfs'ot the desart. 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