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In consequence of the inaccuracy of such statements, per sons bad started up not only in the city of Westminster, bat in all parts of ti.e country, to,deo,y the stirne, and implt re their lordships to lode noetime inissaling, tart bill. The no ble marquis also reminded their lordsblpe that the great mer. chants of London had met in the Egyptian Hall to petition then ; and he thought that Hann wodld do well to eunsi. der the petitions of those persons, who said, if the bill should have the misfortune to be rejected by their lordships, the greatest ex..speratio m would take place through the country, and the consequence must be a fatal blow to public credit. Petitions coming from persons of influence ought to be re ceived with the greatest ant ntion.The noble marquis was sorry to find a spirit adverse to reform is parliament had sprung up at Cambridge. lle had heard that a petition bad been prmoted by the University of Cambridge, and that it was on its say throne% that county. Their lord ships would know the consequence attached to such a petition. The popular voice had been heard on the subject. It was hold and favourable. They had only to look to the county of Uorsetshirc, where it had been said there was a great re action, and the anti-reform candidate would walk over the enure:. The free was, that the reform candidate had been received with universal applause all over the county of Dorset. Wherever the voice of the people had baen heard, that voice had been in favour of reform. It had been asked what would their lordships do? Would they reject the bill ? The noble marquis was not able to say what their lotdships - decision might be, but he really I:.thight their lordships •ought to agree to the measure almost unanimously. (Hear, hirer.) A certain number of lords were in possession of property in places entitled to return members of Parliament, but there was good reason wily noble lords who were in possession of that property should be favourable to reform. A certain num ber of lords in that house were borough proprietors (he need not call them boroughmongera); and it had been said they would not consent to a measure of this sort without compensation; but the noble marquis could not think, — looking at the magnitude of the great question, that their lordships would be swayed by private advantage. There was another point connected with this question. It bed been said that the question of reform did not belong to the I peers. If the House of Commons were desirous of reform- I mg themselves, why should the House of Lends interfere ? Tise noble marquis did not say that house had no right to interfere, but he would remind their lordships that there was such a thing as discretion. That house ought to act coiraitutionally, and reflect that if they refused to pass the greet measure, the shock would be great. The noble mar-1 quis then read the petition, which was laid on the table. ; He then presented a second petition, front the city of Ches. • ter, signed by 4W) or 500 person more than had appeared upon any former petition. It entreated their lordships SO p:,si the reform bill without delay. The petition having been read, The Earl of ELDON rose ander considerable excitation. " The noble marquis was pleased to say the peers of England had no interest in the question of reform. I heard these words from his lips—(hear.) And I heard the noble mar- I quis give advice to the peers of the realm. I will do so—l have no doubt the peers of England will do their duty. The time will come when it will be stated before the people of , England what that duty is, and what the peers ought to do ' for their sake. I have no objection to declare that 1 differ in opinion from many noble lords for whom I have the high est respect. I have no hesitation in saying I Invents right to complain of the opinion any noble lord may give in this house, but so far from thinking the peers of England have no interest in this question. I say the country has no con stitution left if the peers ofEngland have no interest in it My , lords, 1 have lived loyal—l have respecud the laws—and ' after living to the age of four score years, 1 would rather die in this place, (hear, bear,) than ad mit that the Peers of England have no interest in ; this question. (Hear, hear.) It is one of the most absurd statements ever made in Parliament. (Heat.) I hope and trust those who debase this bill will do their du.y. Ito man ought to be in this house if he do not conscientiously du hit duty. (Hear, hear, and loud cheering.) No one is worthy to be here, it' he is disposed to give way to any im pression or feeling beyond the lair discharge of his duty. I do not deny that lamentable consequences may happen if you reject this bill; but to say this house has nointerest in it I will never consent. Let those who do their duty have the consolaion of saying, we have ddae our duty to the throne and the country." The Marquis of WESTMINSTER, in explanation, stated, that the noble and learned lord had spoken upon an erroneous impression. He bad not denied that the house bad an interest in the question. aELGIUX. . Viscount GODERlCifwished to know whether a noble sraTquis was disposed to postpone his motion on the subject of Belgium to another day, as the noble Earl ((hey) osuld rot attend the house, in consequence of a calamity in his family. The Marquis of LONDONDERRY lamented the dis tress occasioned by the event in the noble earl's family, and that of a noble friend. and was ready to postpone his motion to Thursday. He did not think in the present state of the country, he could postpone the subject beyond that day.— Many great advantages had been derived from the °burrs hong he had already made in that house, and his hope was that more might be obtained. WIN! DISTILS. The Earl of ABERDEEN asked whether the Wine Duties bill would be read a second time to.morruw. Lord AUCKLAND answered in the affirmative. Lord MULORAVE presented petitions for Reform from Whitby and Orsborough, in Yorkshire. The Marquis of LANSDOWNE presented a petition from various tradesmen on the subject of Sabbath breaking. The Earl of SUFFIELD presented a petition from a hundred in Norfolk for Parliamentary reform. The Duke of HAMILTON a similar petition from Lanark. Lord DACRE presented a petlion from the Land Coal meters and persons employed in the land metage of coals in the county of Surrey, praying to be heard by Counsel against 'etch parts of the Coal Trace Regulation bill as stand op. posed to their rights and privileges. PLLTIALITIES BILL. The Pluralities of Benefices bill, after some opposition from Lord W YNFORU, was read the third ume and passed. The Earl of ELDON alai opposed the above bill, and centeru:ed that the Noble and Learned Lord Chancellor should have Leen in the house when such a measure stood for the third reading. , The Marquis of LONDONDERRY moved that the standing ender, No. 3, be read. [lt was accordingly read by the clerk, and it appeared that the Lord Keeper was to be in bis place in that House, unless absent firm indisposition.) The treble marquis said the noble cud learned lord then absent, had frequently charged Peers in that house with breach of order, and in several instances had betn out of order himself. He should move to-morrow that the noble and learned lord account for his abience.— The honour and dignity of that house required his attend ance. The noble and learned lord appeared desirous of ea ts tding reform to that house. The Duke of RICHMOND said, as the noble marquis intended to make a motion to-tnorrow, it would be more orderly to reserve his remarks for that occasion. The Marquis of LANSDOWNE asked whether it was the intention of the noble marquis to put questions to the noble and learned lord on the subject of Reform, and . other mottos, as well as upon his absence from that house ? The Jtarqnis of LONDONDERRY said he should put questions on the subject to which he bad alluded. Lord PLUNKETT said, the absence of the noble and learned lord was not inconsistent with the orders of the house, because a deputy bad been appointed under the royal warrant; but it was well known the noble and learned lord, whin he was tot in that hou. was engaged in a most me. ritorious duty, namely, that of reducing the wear of judi cial business, which the industry and great mind of his noble and learned friend had nearly accomplished. The Blarquis of LONDONDERRY contended that the most important duty of the Lord Chancellor was to give his attendance in their lordships' house. The Earl of ELDON said, the custom of the late Lord Thurlow, and other Chancellors, was, to be in coasting attendance upon their lordships. During his (Lord Won's) Chancellorship, he never was absent once, without 'first , hating sired to the peer who INS to preside in his absence ', the reasons of such absence. Unless their lordships wished to see an entire change in the forms of their house they would not moan' to tint absence of the Lord Chancellor. The Duke of RICHMOND said, the noble and learned . Iced was necessarily absent at Windsor, in Attendance on his st i i tstr . When he returned to town, Do doubt he would be .tilesatisfaCtoelly to account foe Ms abeam' to inc noble noptiure: (wear.) • 4 ^ atilt* tits wpids from Land ElLalon, ! The Marquis at LANSDO WNE was et tied tisk Ito hvorith,-• ofiba tonne of that House hid been muted by the ,aosi tiptoed lord. • .• . • T.? ••••••• •• • - r•„ The Marquis of LONDONDERRY said again. that he should certainly press the quotient to-morrow (this day.) - - COAL MAD'. On the motion of Lord RLLENBOROiJOH the Coal Trade Bill went through a Commit" Report to-morrow. The Administration of Notioe(lrelaad) Bill was reported. Lord ROSSIXN gave notice that on the second read* of the Scotch Turnpike-vosirßUl, he should move that at toll-keeper be allowed to sell hem or spirits. Adjourned at &ern o'Cloek. HOUSE OF COMMONS. Colonel EVANS gave notice that on Thursday he should submit a motion respecting Military Preparations made in the Tower on the 9th of November Iwit. _ _ _ Mr. STRICHILt ND presented a pet Hon from Halifax, for Parliamentary Reform and vote by ballot. Mr. HUNToupported its prayer.--Ordered to be printed. POOR LAWS, (lItLAWD.) Mr. O'CONNELL presented a petition on the subject of l'oor Laws for Ireland. He admitted that they ought to be cautious how they Introduced into Ireland what, after hun dreds of rears, had failed of perfection in England. Mr. HUNT said, the English Poor Laws were just, liu., mat* and wise ; it was the abuse of them that had ' caused mischief. If there were Poor Laws for Ireland, as there ought to be, only let them guard against the abuse of them. Mr. WE] LAND spoke to the like effeet,—adding, if they only took Scotland for an example and England for a warning, the Poor Laws might be usefully introduced into Ireland. Mr. D. W. H ARVEY said, the poor laws bad their cal. gin in nature; they were only the mode by which the right should be administered. He considered, that not very fir distant was the period when the enormous mass of pen. perry, called Church Property, would be revised by the Parliament, and appropriated to the best and most Chris. tian of all purposes—the relief of the poor. It was quite impossible that the Church property of Ireland, so well as that of England, could long escape the severest scrutiny of the Parliament. Sir R. BATESON said, that from what bad been expe rienced of the poor laws in England, he should on principle, and not from say selfish motives, resist the introduction of those laws into Ireland. Sir C. BURRELL admitted that they had not so much reason to complain of the poor laws of England as of their maladministration. (Hear.) Mr. WILES said, the present system of poor laws might not to be confounded with the just and wholesome system introduced by the celebrated and wise act of Elisabeth. Be. fore they introduced any such system es that which existed in England he also trusted they would pause. - Lord INGESTRIE said, be would not now express any opinion on the poor laws proposed—but he urged the noes. ail of considering the state of the poor In Ireland, with the view of of some remedy. Colonel TORRENS °burred, that they must either I. crease the quantity of food—or adopt measures that would lead to the diminution of demands foe it. Mr. HODGES thought the poor laws had been subjected to a good deal of unmeshed obloquy. What was called the abuse of the poor laws would be immediately removed the moment they placed the labourers of England in the same independent situation in which they were previously to the late long and ruinous war. (Hear.) Sir J. NEWPORT said that some provision was requi. site for the absolutely necessitous poor, but he must hesitate against the introduction of poor laws into Ireland before he knew what was actually to be proposed I and he certainly should protest against provision for those poor who might say they could not get work. He was not for giving encou ragement to idleness. The bad working of the English poor laws had been complained of every session since he was in Parliament. Sir J. expressed his readiness to smut modified poor laws for Ireland. He was not surprised at the course pursued by the Hon. Members for Colchester and Kerry Cllr. D. W. Harvey and Mr. O'Connell), for they lost no opportunity of attacking the Established Church, and of declaring that one-third of its property ought to be appropriated to the poor. Mr. O'CONNELL could not join In the unqualified en. loglum pronounced on the poor laws, and u the gentlemen of England bad not been able to make them perfect, he de. spared of being able to effect that for Ireland which bad not been done with them in Petition ordered to be ll Atlse name of it was not heard in the gallery—if sued by' the Clerk. Mr. O'COIMELL pawned a petition from Belfast for the disarming of the yeoman force of Ireland. Sir IL BATESON trnsled that no such prayer respecting this most constitutioul hoes would be esamplied with ; he hoped that the Government would not so unwisely tlwow itself into the arms of any party as to dissent the yummy of Ireland. GRATTAN hoped that Lord Anglesey would attend to one party, namely. that of the people. Mr. CRAMPTON trusted that the Government would not maintain the yeomanry owe hour longer than the interests of the country required such forts nor disperse it at the re quest of any party. Mr. O'CONNELL replied, that It the yeomanry were to be dispersed when nolonger wanted, they might be disbanded immediately. (Hear.) He hoped another shooting match was not wanted, such as had occurred at Newtownbarry. The petition was from Protestants. Ordered to be printed. Mr. O'CONNELL presented petitions from Meath and two other places, for the repeal of the Legislative Union. 'Air. HUNT begged leave to say, in explanation of a pre. vious discussion, that he had Dever recommended the Eng lish poor laws for Ireland, but had said some poor laws for Ireland were requisite. Petitions ordered to be printed. Mr. O'CONNELL moved for accounts respecting the tnanfacture of glass in Ireland.—Ordered. CALL OF TEA HOUSE. Mr. O'CONNELL said, he should to-morrow move that the call of the house be postponed till Wednesday week.— (Hear, hear. and no, no.) Sir R. VIVIAN said, he should then move that it be discharged. (Hear.) _ TEWRROICZNIIRIC WRIT. Mr. ROBINSON said, this writ ought to be suspended till the house was scquainted with the evidence. (Hear.) — He moved, that it be suspended for one week. After the report respecting the Shelf, Assessor, Re. what conAdence could they have in a new election till the case was inquired into? Mr. JONES should not oppose the suspension of the writ, but he thought there was not good ground for It ; he supported the motion that the Shefifril conduct might be duly investigated, and his honour cleared. Lard A LTHORP said, it was rather hard to sar t4 : 1 1::: because the Sheriff' misconducted himself, the free were to be without a representative. (Hear.) He should oppose the motion. (Hear.) A MEMBER observed, that the Sheriff wu a serious man, and, therefore, not the most competent man ; and he explained how he happened to be ap pointed , _ wider. special circumstances, to the Shrievalty. To agree to this motion would be to punish the freeholders, not the Sheriff. Was that just? Mr. R. GORDON thought that what had been sail sm. peeing tbi Sheriff was ground for sUpporting the motion; they ought to see what We evidence stated. Mr. HUNT said, they ought to suspend the Sheriff; and not the writ. How could the Chancellor of the Exchequer, a great Reformer, think of sending another writ to such in. competent and pietist hands. Mt. R. FERGUSON observed, that with his knowledge of the evidence, he was ready to agree that the writ should forthwith Issue, but many Members requiring to see the evidence, he sh ould prefer the adoption of the motion. Mr. BERNAL said, if the incompetency of the Sherif were an objection, they would have to wait till next spring, when new Sheriffs were appointed ; u the removal of the Sheriffs would be unprecedented. There was no case for the postpmement. Mr. O'CONNELL said, Sheriffs in Ireland bad been superseded—the power of removal by the Crown existed. Whether this were a cue for it he did Dot know • be was in ignorance of the evidence. If the conduct of de Sherif were to guide them, they ought to wait fir It. Mr. D. BROWNE said, they ought to wait for the eel. deuce. If an address for the removal or theSlueiff were proposed he should support it. The ATTORNEY.GENERAL observed that be wu not aware of any course by which the 'Crown could espereedi a Sheriff. It would be a most daftness power foe the Crown to exercise. At aU events, it was heed apes the county to deprive them of a Member in eethespenee of the ialinof a Suit . I AVETHERELL said be differed a Etas from the Attorney General's doctrine, that ats address trus the House of COmmons would not be ground enough lbw the Nueva' of a Sheriff: Ur. CAMPBELL supported the issuing of the writ. Mr. ROBINSON replied, after which the gallery was cleared fora divhdon. The numbers were— For the motion . - 24 Against It . . - 120 klajoriainst- 98 sir It. PRICE then ty mused ag ! that the writ for Pembroke• shire be !med. Mr. HUNT odd that the 'WM sad unda•aherif ought to be called to the bar t and lie weak! make that motion hereafter.-31wlenima to, and new vrrit ordwed. Mr. R GORDO N moved that the Lords' amendments • to the lunatics' asylum regulation hill be mad. 'groan SILL. Lord ALTHORP then said, in reply to a question from Mr. O'Connell, that it was not intended to move the se cond reading of the Irish reform bill till the Scotch re. form bill had gone t►rough the committee t that, he con sidered, would be the cause meet convenient to the house. (Hear, hear.) A• Member gave notice that in the committee on the Scotch reform bill be should move a clause for the represen tation of the universities of Scotland in Parliament. (Hear.) LUYATIC ASYLUMS. Mr. GORDON then detailed what were the Lords' amendments to the lunatics' bill. He regretted that the Lords had intro4ced the alteration which appeared in the bill ; for the bill had been all over the country, and had re ceived the sanction of the several proprietors of asylums.— One alteration was that two " barristers " should accompany the commissioners to inspect these asylums. Was not that an extraordinary alteration ? (Hear, hear.) He, however, concluded with moving that the amendment be read a second time. The ATTORNEY-GENERAL said the House de served great credit for the attention which had been de voted to this Important subject. He then defended the amendments. The SOLICITOR-GENERAL said the only question appeared to him to be that the Great Seal ought not to be d to the appointment of the eotumisaioners to prevent and he would suggest that the great seal should be armed with that jurisdiction. lona G. SOMERSET said be thought a system which had been hitherto prosperous ought to continue ; and the Lord Chancellor should not be entrusted with the care of the lunatics, u he did not think, in the multitude of his at. tentiona in public duties, that h.: could give the commissions his personal superintendence. He dissented from the amend. ments of the Lords. Mr. DEN3I AN explained. Mr. HUME said he thought the amendments had very much lessened the bill. He thought it extraordinary, that after hating so long been debating how they should abridge the labours sf tho Lord Chancellor, they should now think of involving upon him additional duties. Mr. 0. LAMB though the antendmonts of the Lords might be agreed to without any risk to the public. (Cries of Question.) Ake some further conversation the gallery war cleared, and the house divided, when there were— Aycs ••• • .... .. 65 Noes .... .... •.• • eti —..— Majority against Ministers .. 11 The rest of the Lords' Amendments were disposed of A Committee was then appointed to state to their lord. ships the reasons for which the House bad not agreed to ■ooze of their amendments. COLLEGE 07 DLIITSOOTIL Mr. STANLEY having moved for a Committee of Sup ply on the Grant to the College of Maynooth, Mr. H. GRATTAN rose to state that he had received in formation that the signatures annexed to a petition presented by the hon. member for Oaford against the continuance of the grant were forgeries. Sir R. MILTS said he had received the petition by post from a Parson totally unknown to him. After a few words from Mr. Hume and Mr. O'Con nni.i. on this subject, Mr. PERCEVAL said he rose to move an amendment to the motion of the right boo. gentleman (Mr. Stanley). lie objected to their voting away public money to Maynooth Collette. because they, u a Protestant Parliament, must regard that Institution as propagating falsehood and cot ropiest of the word of Goa. He deprecated liberalism in religion ; be considered it as being infidelity, and as hold ing the scales before the world equally between Goo and Satan. He, therefor*, begged to move as an intendment, " That it is expedient that the grant be not confined after this year." Mr. HILL, we believe, supported the amendment. Mr. STANLEY said, be was cenvineed the hen..miever acted oily under • aeon of duty ; but he (Max 11.)esoildisred the grant in the light, not of a religion, but eta partly poli tical one. He should not consent to it, if he believed that by se doing he was affirming his belief in the Catholic faith, or contributing to its propagation. It had been inundsoed as a political grant by Mr. Pitt so far back as 1790, and as such had received the su of Mr. Burke and Mr. Grattan, and of every sat g administration, including that, at the head of which was a near relative of the hon. gentleman. Previously the Irish Catholics intended for the Church enjoyed on the continent the benefit of certain en dowments granted them for the purpose of education, but sf which they were deprived subsequently to the introduction of the peaswt grant. Buunaparts tared to give the Irish CalhelfM destined to the Church a gratuitous education at Pads; but the Irish priesthood, grateful for the liberality of Pedistneet, rejected the offer, and declared, that who awe had the bemoan to accept of it, would not be received smog them. He thought, therefore, that they had a claim es the home, on the score of gratitude. Bat the hen. MOM could net believe that if the grant were refused, taw would be one Catholic Priest who would receive edneedeo fiat lees, or that then would be one Protestant the then be the United lOogiena. He denied that the edemas to esived at Mayneeth was, as some asserted, of an bi d s bind. He begirt to call the attention of the house to the plot to the wear/rims, which was no more the religion of the state then the Henan Catholic. On 'the ground that this was not a religious but a political question, that it was not injurious to the Protestant establishment—for in his con science he believed It would be beneficial to that establish ment—he must support the grant. (Hear.) BirJOHN NEWPORT supported the grant, and said, Mr. Pereeval, when Minister, had declared that he felt himself bound by strict justice to support the grant to the extent it existed at the time of the Union. He was confident that Parliament could not take a step that would be more injurious to the established Church of Ireland than refusing the grant. Sir R. INGLIS said Parliament since the Union had changed the sums granted to all other institutions In Ire land, and end ely discontinued some of them, and he thought the prtsent grant should not be considered a matter of coin. pact ; but was perfectly open to discussion and amendment, and be should taxibilly su the amendment. Mr. T. LEPROY not understand bow, as a mem ber of that house, which was bound to support a &reran religion, and se a member of that religion, and having eweep that the Catholic religion was latrous, he could support such a grant, and should, therefore, vote for the amendment. Lord RIANDEVILLE thought it was the object of go vernment m dirproy the established eburdt in Ireland, and shou Mr d oppose - die grant. l . C. PICLRA ht supported the amendment. He thought the education at Maynsoth waa dastmatelve of Christianity. Sir R, BATSON believed that the oollep of Ilaynooth did: no pod, and be would not OXISINt to support it. The For the motion Against it Majority ..... .. 101 The house went into C.conmiueo. Mr. STANLEY moved that 9,0001. be granted to the C M r . el Mr. 0'00 111 7171t said, the state of the people of Ire land was sof nolidendy regarded. The people of England changed then opinions they left the C= chunk and a Protestant episcopacy in its place; the potpie el lostland became Presbyterians, and they esti laid lb* religion in their own country. The pimple of bind adhered to the Catholic voligion, and the tentegnence was, that they had long mitred dm meet denntable sods of Metalaws that wane eves heeled e advas ity e zpin .11e to see the dir—it was no man oroeld he tolled on to sweet the religion anoline.s If he omenitied to the polity r P be t ant, it was beee• it was th e day Gewernameit to make it; hit he y despised it. If it had • hem refined, then would in three in Ireland be a general refusal to pay tithes. rri v ear li r, hear.) He should vote for the grant, but felt no anxiety about it. (Neu, hoar.) Mr. GORDON the grant, which was to go to 'lam Hon. toor.Mng sool.destroylnn dectsinen t• Preeteded nue that dee Cathille vellgisa mid Clergy wets enemies of truth and the Government. There being peat laughter in the house the Hon. Gent. MK those who laughed at esek sluesesents would laugh at the isoi•Nrey with the to it kit band, and at the as. mesh with hfuolOo—(limseenes laughter.) ovorne those theological discus. • stispotini w d 7rruld cal tend to exasperate eellikese mehmselty.—(Hear.) To the grant be am& would be unjust and kapide. He thought the esppieters of the Protestant der& in Ireland eheoltast re. the miserable pitman for the mimaties i th i r t JeCelagy h Wand. while they taxed the Whe lks fee* poem sweet of the Protestant clergy. (Hear.) Mr. LIMY apposed the pant. Mr. PZTRE seppmed the pest, and repeal* that re. *isms dhputatioui were introdated into that Houle. whit they oug ht to ) do there was to comdder what w as b ee t h e t h e ▪ Hear. Mr. URGE opposed the grant, as calculated, after the grea t he a ling measure, to sustain dissensions in Ireland, es. pecially as be saw no corresponding disposition on the pet of the Government to support the interest of the Protestant religion in Ireland. Lord EBRINGTON said be could not consent to with. bold this grant. Mr. WYSE spoke to the like effect. Mr. H. GRATTAN supported the grant; 2:0 Inert. duets were educated by it. The grant was then allowed. The house baring resumed, The churches building act paned through a committee, and the report was ordered to be ressieed on Friday next. SCOTCH REFORM BILL. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said, it was the intention of the Government to give three additional members to Scotland; and that Peebleshire and Selkhkshire were to remain represented, and each to return a member; and that the eastern Fife boroughs should continue to return members as heretofore. The other orders of the day were then disposed of. an d th e house adjourned at three o'clock. :mstmemmeimm• l NN EN e FOREIGN INTELLIGENCE. PARIS. SUN DAY.—The streets of Paris on Sunday, were enlivened by the hawkers crying about the superb speech of M. Thies, (who is just now the crack man of the Ministers), the magnificent speech of M. Sebsatiani, and the magnanimous discourse of M. Guisot. Thousands of copies of these speeches have been given away at the Prefecture of Police to the hawkers, and while they stun you with their cries, simultaneous orders have been given to arrest all the hawkers who cry about the speeches of Generals Lafayette and Lamarque. PIEDMONT.-TU/tIN, SniT. 18. PRIV•TE COARESPON atm E.—The population of the arrondissement of Savone have never forgot ten that they formed part of the French Depart ment of Montenotte. Thence the suspicion which they inspire in King Charles-Albert. The garrison of the fort of Savone has just been increased from 1400 men to 2400. There is a talk besides of re establishing the fine military line of Santo-Spirito between Pietra and Aracio. where General Schirer with a handful of French soldiers, arrested, in 1796 the Austrian army, commanded by General Der win* ; officers of engineers are at this moment upon the spot to recom.oitre the various points to be fortified. Charles-Albert wbo takes this excess of precaution against France, leaves his frontiers nearly uncoveted on the side of Austrian-Lom bardy : these dispositions, and the principles of the Prime Minister, reveal the existence of the treatise which bind the Court of Turin to the Ca binet of Vienna. SWITZRRLAND, SEPT. 17. PRIVATE LETTRR.—Complete anarchy reigns in the canton of Bile ; the peasantry of the two parties fight between them : the Diet appears un 'certain upon the measures which it will take to u, an end to this critical situation of the Cant o n. Between 11 and 12 o'clock this morning, the dram beat to arms in Bile, and all foreigners were made to quit the city. The report was current that the inhabitants of Bile would go to the suc icour of the Communes which remain submitted to them, and ',high were attacked by those of the party from Liestal ; but that the Government, l which had promised the Diet not to make any more use of its troops, found itself very embarras sed. Affairs are daily more complicated ; it is impossible to foresee how all will end. However, as the troops are numerous (it is said 4,000 men) which the Diet will send into the canton of Bile, I will draw near the extreme frontier and encamp upon the line which separates Switzerland from France, we shall soon see what will pass. I have lbiq isstant learnt (2 o'clock p. m.) that 1,000 men the amps of Bile have left the city with some *on o artillery : they are divided into three columns in front of the city, and a strong reserve rentains near the gates ; we are ignorant whether they will proceed upon Liestal, or whether it is a sample measure of precaution. We are assured that yesterday morning, four battalions of troops from Zurich, of the Helvetian confederation, made their entry at Liestal: the officers and under-officers, and citizens, appeared disposed in favour of the city of Bile; it is not the same , with the soldiers, who are of the country, and make common cause with the patriots of Lintel and other rural communes. Sii ce yesterday, we have remarked at the offices a number of workmen employed in making op packages, contAining the discourses of blesses. Thiess and Guisot, which are dispatched by whole sale into all the Dept tments.—Le Temps. After four days of struggle, the Ministry has obtained 221 voices against 136: bringing back the former days in despite of one revolution. Thus nothing is changed under the administration of Charles X. except Charles X. To return from this digressiop. The Parliamentary majority, principle of all force, is then on the side of the Ministry. The Ministry will henceforth be strong. But where is then that power of the ma jority? Its force is not in it ; it is exterior; it is found in the elements which it represents.— What are those elements ? The electoral colleges. The force is in the people. It is the people alone who give it. And the people are put oat of the cause. Whence then does M. Perier draw his force ? From the colleges ; they contain 120,000 electors ; by counting the constrained votes, 40,000 have voted for the Ministers ; that is all which they have to back them. After that, let the Ministry make the most of its strength. Let it move with such a lever 32 millions of citizens. It will move nothing but—compassion !—Revohrtioss. It is affirmed that the conference of London has just signified to our Government, that if on the 10th of next October, the day when the armistice concluded between Holland and Belgium will ex pire. King Leopold has not accepted the condition. laid dowp by the anterior Peewee* Itasesia, Prus sia, and Anemia were aniski-t. suptsit with arms the demands of King William. Holland, it is Known, has just assembled at the month of the Scheldt 30,000 seen, which, encamped upon the banks of the Isle of Wakheren, and upon the left bank of the river, may, is a march or two, arrive under the walls of Ghent and Bruges. It is &Doom besides that the two Cabinets of Viennasad Ik have both repulsed the envoys of Leopold, and thit the Emperor Nicholas has signified a sort of d i ,. position which gives no hopes of more tolerance., It is added, also, that immediately after tl:e Sakti= of which we have just spokes], the council of ministers was assembled under the presidenr e of the King. The discussion wan long and stor my ; the most cutting division was manifested anica z , t the seven ministers present.—Revolution. Within two days, the telegraph, it is said, h as done nothing but signalise to the Minister of th e Interior despatches from the Prefects, which e n . nounce general discontentment, from the I ence with which our Cabinet has treated the affairs of Poland. The country reckoned upon the influ ence of the King of the French, representativ e r , f thirty-two millions of men, to save the brave Pt .k ~ —Le Globe. The strong place of Modlin, still in the pow er a the Polish army, may support a long siege, arnl give it facility to maintain itself during sere:Al months in the country of Plozk, with out prevent. ing, for all that, the Rutsians from occupying all the rest of Poland, new that the taking of Wa:saa• will render disposable more than half of their forces. However, the Polish watriqrs are right in no: laying down their arms before that the polities: destiny of their country is fixed, for they are worthy representatives by the blood which they have shed for it. A German Journal believes, that a confer ence will be assembled at Berlin, forth* affairs of Poland. Already Field Marshal Count Clam, has left Vienna for that city, with a commission from the Austrian Cabinet.—Messager. We read in the Dauphinois : " Midnight.— Riotous assemblies, preceded by Bags in mourning, have just alarmed the city. Vive is Pelogne was the rallying cry. They repeated from all parts : Mort a Perier ! Mort a Sebastiani! To the lantern the tyrants of all nations! We are assured that the Government has been informed that the Polish army has refused to submit."-- National. What has passed since the day when the Magis trates of Warsaw, proceeding to the gates of the city, presented bread and salt to the Grand Duke Michael ! Three versions circulate on that subject. Some saythatGeneralKruckowiecki having refused to follow the army, remained at Warsaw,where be had endeavoured to renew the catastrophe of Moscow. Others affirm, that General Romarino h.d returned to Praga, after having completely beaten General Rosen, and taken from him all the magazioes,had seized the bridge at the m.iment when the Russians entered the city by the opposite side, and bad iwakened the energy of the inha bitants, who, profiting from the barricades garnished with cannon, which defended every street, and the fortified bastions which commanded every place, had made a desperate defence. That news is a kind of confirmation of the first. Nothing is known of the Polish army beyond that which we have learnt from the news of Vienna and Berlin. All agree in representing, at the date of the Bth, the army as having made its submission, and pro ceeding into the palatinate of Flock, to wait the orders of the Emperor Nicholas. But private letters represent it as decided to continue the strug gle ; though we can only understand the possibility of still defending its independence upon the Haute. Vistula. Letters from Franefort announce that Field- Marshal Paskewitsch is dead, in consequence of a contusion which he received in the chest. That wound is acknowledged by the Russian bulletins : they even inform us that, front the second day of the attack, the command in chief was remitted to General Toll. The death of the successor of Diebitscb bas nothing in it which should astonish ; it is known that such is generally the result of all wounds made by cannon balls. The Russians ap pear, however, to have experienced frightful losses; a letter from Berlin affirms, that the taking of Warsaw has cost them 28,000 men. That amount does not appear to us exaggerated, especially from what Dr. Antomarcbi says, in a letter which we have before us, and from which we give the follow ing passage :—Schillno (near Thorn), Sept. 11. " Decided to quit Warsaw, on the morning of the 6th, I was awakened by the report of cannon. A formidable attack was made upon the whole line of the Polish batteries which defended the city, and it lasted from five o'clock in the morning until half past four in the afternoon. The carnage was horrible : the Rumbas counted from 16,000 to 17,000 men hors de combat. The Poles counted in all a thousand men and some amlens taken. Twenty-six thousand cannon shot, Coogreve rockets, many grenades and bombs were thrown into the enemies map by the Polish bane deur The Russians had taken one of the nume rous batteries which defended the city, but at two o'clock in the afternoon, that same battery was half retaken by the brave Poles. Seeing this unex pected attack, I wished to know the issue of the battle, and did not quit until five o'clock in the evening. The army is in the best possible spirit.— La Revolution. Not content with having broken the bolt of Louie-Philippe, publicly exposed, the people of La Seyne (near Toulon) pulled down, in the night of the 11 th, the tri-coloured flags which were placed near that bust.—Joantal du Commerce. A report is current that the posts of the National Guard will be rodleced by the troops of the line ; that that of the Place Dauphine will be occupied by the municipal guard.—Revolution. A private letter from Paris says :—The distress ing scenes in the streets of Paris to which I have directed your attention in my recent letters, have been succeeded by yet more distressing, and indeed allicting discussions in the Chamber of Deputies. The mere caxaille frequenters of souse low cabaret on the exterior Boulevards of Paris, would have evinced in their drunken revels over Macon s ice and cigars, more attention to the decencies of life, and the convesances of society than the deputies of France. For two days the debates were con ducted in so low a attain of personal acrimony and of Billingsgate volubility, that all moderate men became sick, all basset men of all parties were pained, and no gyitleinan could allude to the sub ject without pity or horror. ‘I That's a lie," cried one. " You are a liar," exclaimed another. " I never said what you accuse me of sayieg," said M. Latta, and the Minister of Commerce replied, "Why ot you said it to me." The President of the was sensed of being an arum of Charles L U. d'Argest wile put On his defence. Gou rd Lafayette was stymied of embarrassing the march of the Government by hie intrigues agskist