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4 had stated kid be lit opinion, that all hot furnish this country with more than s t rop!) , of corn: Though we did then r' doing so caused great distress to be other parts of Europe; and it was oten cessary to draw some from America; • Cape of Good Hope, end we had even , sirable to obtain rice from India. At s Coin Bill passed, what man believed that happen, which in his 'conscience he believed this moment, that a fifteen weeks supply:- be furnished. A supply of foreign corn sufficient for three weeks was already in the country. Could-such a state of thing s have been anticipated, and had they a ny evidence before them to account for what they caw ? He considered this to arise from the number 'of hands which had been returned to agriculture at the close of the late unprecedented war. He called on the House to look at the question and decide whether any prohibiting duty could meet the evil.— He would have voted for the Resolutions of the Ho nourable Member for Somersetshire, but that he felt that if carried, they could not have been maintained ; 'for though he felt that protection to that extent [night be properly given, he knew that it would be impos sible to convince the Public that any distress wlAch might arise did not spring from that cause. He wished to secure for the landed interest a fair remunerating price. He was .convinced that the Noble Marquis was sincerely anxious to relieve the.landed interest,. and u isidered his Resolutions to be more favourable to the agriculture of the country than some that bad been proposed ; but he considered his measure to he foundeJ on an erroneous calculation. The statement which he had made with respect to the prices of corn at o,!essa and other places, he maintained was proved to be correct. No protecting duty would, in his judgment, be sufficient to meet the evil. He wished a system to be adopted which would keep the price of co: ir steady, which bradmitting a supply of foreign c,en when the price rose above eighty . shillings her quarter, would prevent it• from getting too high without allowing that unlimited importation which might ruin the agriculture of the cpuntrp—(l-lear). It might be ditEcult to bit on the means of etl'ecting this, hut where such a mighty interest was at stake, they °tight not to be deterred by such considerations from making the attempt. The Noble Lord had said the price of corn at Dantzic was 82s. and brought here for 12s. its cost would be44.s. From the manly manner in which the Noble Marquis acted on all oc casions, be was led to hope that if he proved his esti mate to be wrong, he would make some alterations , in his Resolutions. The Noble Lord had formed his estimate on grain of the first quality, which would furnish but one-fourth of the supply, and which would sell iu England for .Is. more than the best that could be raised in this country. The price of grain of the second quality from all other parts (one ex cepted), which grain was equal to our best, gave an average at five shillings under the price which the Noble Lord had named. It would thus be seen that the Noble Marquis, on his own shewing had under rated the protection which the landed interest of England ought to receive by five shillings in the quarter. From the comparisons which he (Mr. Cur wen) had made, he-found that wheat.of the first qua lity might be obtained at a price which, when on shipboard, averaged 9.95. and one-seventh ; corn of the next quality averaged 235. and six-sevenths. 'The ' price of our best corn averaged at present 525. one tenth ; the second best averaged 4.35. and three-tenths, being a difference of 235. between the prices of the best wheat, and 20s. between those of the wheats of inferior quality. 'Though 65s per quarter, if it could at ail times by got, would be a remunerating price for wheat, since in some years it fell to 50s. he would ask it it was more thanfairlo.alldv the English agri culwrist the benefit of any rise that might take place up to eighty shillings? To allow the ports to open at se:etity shillings would be only to allow him the chance of an advance of five shillings over the average remunerating price, while he was exposed to a loss of fifteen shillings or more by its falling below it. He admitted that it was a misfortune for the country to have to pay a higher price for corn than was paid in other parts, but this became necessary from the situati.o in w hich: the farmer had been placed by a calamitous depreciation of the currency, and the raising of enormous notes by means df that :currency, which were still to be paid now the standard was re stored. He sheered that corn was cheapest when its exportation had been enoouraged, and argued that the present distress was not the result of the firmers folly, but sprung from other causes than over-pro euction. The farmer would be content to sell his corn at a low price, if enabled to do so. Let the 'Ministers, then, take 121 per cent. from the incomes of all connected with Government, ft oin the highest to the lowest, and then let them call on the public creditor to make a sacrifice for the general good, and the landed interest would be content to do so at any extent to which the fundholders were willing to go. Te lion. Member for Portarlington had said, the capital sunk in agriculture was not g reater than that employed by the manufacturers. But there was.one point which he forgot. The manufacturer might turn his four, five, or six times, in the course of a year, while the poor agriculturist could turn his but once. Since the passing of the Corn Bill, B,ooo,oooquarters of grain had been imported, of which 1,800,000 were wheat. In 1819, there wete 1,800,000, or he would say 1,600,000 quarters of foreign wheat in the coun try. If we consumed 800,000 of these, it was as much as we did, and consequently from 500,000 to 800,000 quarters had been thrown °rube harvest of that year, when not a single bushel was wanted. The pressure of this had been felt, heavily felt, ever since. He, strongly enforced the importance of a plan like that: which he had suggested, which would give the Public the benefit of an adequate supply, yet pro- tect the landed interest front that ruinous inunda- tion which bad heretofore been expetienced. = ose He called upon the Noble Marquis to state, whether his calculation had not been made on the price of the best grain, which could only be regarded as one fourth of the supply, instead of placing it, as be, ought to place it, on that with the other three-fourths of inferior corn. If the Noble Lord said his (Mr. Curwen's) plan could not succeed, he then called upon him to correct the error which he had pointed out,; And give the landed interest that protection to which, on the shewing of the Noble Marquis himself, they, Were clearly entitled. He spoke earnestly on this' subject, feeling, as he slid, that itinvelved.the corn; fon and wellbeing of-half a Million of persons wise ig) hoped _ if he did nothing else. He thought, if foreign corn were admitted without restriction, a duty of 10s. ought to be Attached to it from 80s. to Ms. From 90s. to 100 s. a duty of five shillings should attach, but the price could never rise so high. All he wished for was, that protection should be afforded to the farmer, and security to the Public. Mr. BURRELL was disposed to prefer the plan of die Noble Marquis, which had been proposed in the Committee and afterwards withdrawn. If a motion were made to raise the protecting duty on corn im ported for home consumption front twelve shillings to fifteen shillings, it should have his vote. An Hon. Gentleman opposite was willing to protect the landed interest to the amount of the taxation they sustained. But as to this.amount they were likely- to differ. It had been said the taxes amounted to ten per cent. This calculation he thought defective. He was led to this conclusion by an extraordinary document put into his hand, which set fottli the amount of the poor rates in one parish in Somerset, taken at four diffe rent periods within the last century. The amount was as follows:—In 1725, £lOB. 10s. lid. in 1755, £402. 13s. 11d. in 1785, £706. 2s. 80. and in 1821, their amount was £3,840. This, he shewed, proved the calculation wrong. 'He forcibly painted the mi sery which must enspe if relief were not given, and thought some alteration might be made with advan tage in the mode of taking the averages, by including those of Ireland in the calculation. Mr. EASTNOR said -that no one could expect immediate relief from the propOsitions now before that House, and he was surprised at that not having been kept more in view. He was disposed to sup port, upon principle, the Resolution of the Noble Lord, but he did not think it quite satisfactory. He should, however, vote for it in the Committee. Lord CRANBORNE thought a duty of 12s. with an additional ss. was not sufficient for the protection of agriculture, and he had, therefore, moved in the Committee that Bs. should be added. He confessed that he should be disposed to get a better bargain tor the farmers if he could, but the best he could now do for them was to vote fur the Resolution of his Noble Friend. • The Marquis of LONDONDERRY wished to take an opportunity at this period of the - debate, to address a few words•to the Committee, upon the mode of ar gument adopted by the H on . Member for Cumber land, at which, lie confessed, he felt considerable sur prise. He could not conceive how the Hon. Member was disposed to sit down and leave the laws in such a state as he proposed. His opinions must have un dergone a most extraordinary change since he was in the Committee, and since he had been down into the country. I he Noble Marquis then objected to the Resolutions proposed by the Hon. Member, and con tended that his own went to place the law upon its original basis, but a: the same time to modify it so far as to remove the defects which it possessed. At present corn would be protected up to 80s. because the ports were to open under the old law. After that it would be protected up to seventy by seventeen shil lings, and above eighty by twelve shillings. An Ho nourable Member had said that corn in warehouse might be bought now at 255. or at 345. But that was such as might not be sold for seven years to come if the ports should not open. Its value was very likely half gone by lying by as it had already. It was not a marketable article, and therefore not one to argue the protecting prices upon. But if the ports should open, the corn in question, instead of being worth 255. or 34.5. would perhaps fetch fifty or sixty shil lings. They had travelled over the Continent for the pi ices, to get at an average, and he thought the state in which the whole of the Continent now was warranted and demanded protection for the farmer. The general supply from the Continent was not to be dreaded; and indeed it wa, what they formerly con side, ed a matter of jealousy and fear from a reverse motive. It wa, always doubted whether the supply lrom the Continent would be equal to our wants, upon occasions of great demand, owing to failure in the crops. Under this impression, they had always been looking at the more distant markets, and par ticularly to America. The Hon. Member should re member, that foreign corn being warehoused here, was liable to the same f ite as had attended large quantities at the present time ; some having been in warehouse for three or four years. And this took off ss. of its value for every year. It was much the practice of Hon. Members to take the lowest prices they could hear of, and come to the House to argue the amount of duties upon them. .But it should be remembered that the corn now worth 325. at Dantzic, by any sudden demand might be raised to 355. in one day, and in a few days to 40s. The proposition which ' he had submitted to the House would admit corn when the price got to 70s. and if that should have the effect of reducing the prices in three months, the ports would again close. If their object was to shut out foreign corn altogether, they had better resort to the old, favourite, and shortest mode of prohibi tion. But that was not what they wanted. Their .duty was to regulate the import so as to supply the wants of the country without injury to the farmer.— He was surprised at the proposition that had come ,from the Hon. Member far Cumberland. The best interests of the farmer did not require a monopoly, but that he should be able to bring his produce -into the market upon equal and just terms. Upon these grounds lie - hoped the House would support his Re solution, which instead of being injurious to the far mer, was intended for his protection and,benefit. Mr. D. UROWNE concurred with the Hon. Mem ber.for Cumtie?land, that the protecting price ought to be eighty _shillings. He considered prohibition to be necessary, and he did so upon the best evidence given before the Agricultural Committee. He should not detain the Committee, but he should take another opportunity of zoing more, into detail upon the means which he held to be conducive to the goOd of the country, and of av iculture. Mr.,KOBINSON took a revive of the decline of the commerce of France. and the sonsegaent inereace try of Government to the restoring of our commerce.-- That it was that must restore the 'prices, apd afford relief to agriculture. expres,sed his favourable disposition towards a free trade, is far as such Orin ciples could be adopted. Mr. LOCKHART said, that something which he had heard from the Noble Lord had fdled 'him with dismay, and mist have the same effect Von the Agt '- cultural world. The. Noble Lord stated, that itt' making his calculation upon the amount of the pro tecting duties, he had turned the scale in favour of the agriculturist of this country. The Marquis of LONDONIAERRYobserved that what he had said was that, in calculating the sca l e o f duties, whenever he h a d adifficulty in computing the averages he had turned the scale in favour of the agriculturists. Mr. LOCKHART said, that was precisely the . way in which. he understood the Noble Lora. hat he contended that the Noble Lord ought to have some greater consideration to the distress that existed. He denied that the Noble Lord had made his calculationi fairly, when he calculated upon the average.price of corn. He was sure that the agricultural interests must be relieved. or the public credit would not re main secure. He denied that the land of the coun try was mottgaged, any further than the operation of the land-tax or the window-tax upon it. If any panics were to claim the land under any other autho rity than an Act of Parliament, he should be dis posed to reply to them in the language of an auclent .people, " Come and take it ;" and he.should feel him self called upon to repel them as he would repel the • Invasion of the most hostile enemy that ever invaded a nation—(Hear).—He hoped, however, that the Go vernment would prevent matters from coming to this dreadful extremity. The only method, in his opinion, was a reduction of taxation. He did not mean such a reduction as would injure the public credit. He would advise the Noble Lord to give such protection to the farmers as they believed would protect them, or they might be driven to act like men who saw ruin before their eyes. Sir C. BURRELL was not disposed to give pro tection to agriculture beyond what was just to the other interests of the country ; but he had always seen, that in proportion as agriculture flourished the other interests were also prosperous. He thought, there fore, that to support agriculture would be to support the country, and he should vote for the Resolution of the -Noble Lord. Sir HUSSEY VIVIAN declared himself not to be one of those who considered taxation as the cause of the existing distress. He believed that if there had not been a tax upon the Statute Book, the distress would have arisen under the other circumstances of the times. If taxation were the cause of distress he was quite sure that he heard no proposal at , all cal culated to relieve it, excepting, of course, the extra vagant proposition of the Hon. Member for York, which went to commit such an injustice_ upon the fundholder. He desired not to be understood as being• against the farmer, but he considered the ma nufacturing interests as much entitled to protection as the ,agricultural. He should vote for the Resolu tion of the Noble Lord, and he hoped the House would come to a decision that might afford relief, and allay the fever which disturbed the country. Sir J. SHELLEY was of opinion .that, upon the whole, the plan of the. Noble Marquis would do a great deal of goad. He did not consider the propo sition of his Hon. Friend, the Member for Cumber land, would be found practicable. The Hon. Mem ber for Portarlington had calculated Isis plan upon the taxes of the farmer amounting to 10 per cent. upon the nroduce, including the Poor-rates. Now he could inform the Hon. Member, that in some parts of Essex the Poor-rates were 12 or 14 per cent. with out any rent at all. Mr. C. SMITH hoped that the House would that night come to such a decision as would give relief to the country. Mr. W HITMO.RE believed superabundance to be the cause of distress, but did not mean to say by that that abundance was at all times an evil. He consi dered that a high price necessarily tended to an in crease in the cost of production.; and that cost was now the same as it had been during the war, although the price of the produce itself had fallen. These high prices during the war had misled the farmer, and in duced him to make an improvident bargain with his landlord, and to make all his other calculations of expenditure to correspond with those high prices. He therefore was of opinion that any raising of the price by artifical means was highly injurious to the farmer, and in its consequences not less so to the landlord. — When the fall took place the labourer was not bene fitted by it, as the price of labour was reduced to correspond with that of provisions. For these reasons be objected altogether to the proposition of the Noble Marquis: indeed, he was persuaded that the proposed duty could not be carried into effect. The plan of his Hon. Friend (Mr. Ricardo) was attended by the same difficulty ; but as the difficulty was less in degree, he should favour the proposition of his Hon. Friend: Mr. WESTERN said, that the more he attended to the debates on this subject the more he was satis fied he had come to a right conclusion upon it; and that Parliament Gould not legislate upon it at present with any hope of advantage. No one Member who had delivered his sentiments was perfectly satisfied with any one of the propositions. This indeed he (Mr. Western) could readily account for, because he conceived that the premises of those Hon. Members led to the very conclusion he had formed. It had been said, that every European country had at pre sent a redundancy of produce; but if this was the fact, was not permanent legislation for so temporary a circumstance inconsistent with .every rule of sound policy? As for the Estimates which had been formed by the Agricultural Committee as to the prices of foreign produce, it should be recollected that these Estimates were made with reference to a depreciated currency; and it was therefore erroneous as well as unfair to proceed on such a calculation. He would, House /timber for Cot to Castle .(Mr..l3linkes), and pan,* before they had fully omile themselves masters of this important subject. Con;. forming to that advice, and believing that we could not legislate on the Subject With effect, he should glie his decided negative to every one of the propositioAs: Mr. Alderman HEYGA fE thought the plan of the Noble Marquis would increase the distress of the Agriculturists. Much stress had been laid upon the Argument as to a trade, and be (the Alderman) Would have no objection whatever to such a trade; .provided other nations adopted the arrangement; and provided this nation were tree from debt and taw He should not hate offered himself to the House; hag It not been for the . statement of the Noble Marquil •that 765. would be a protecting price for the English grower. On the whole. he was inchiced to support - the plan of the Honourable Member for Cumberland (Mr. Curwen); Sir W. CUNNINGHAM addressed the House, but was almost inaudible from the incessant call for the qUestion. He was only heard to say that the House was premature in attempting so soon to legislate upon the subject. Mr. RICAItDO rose amidst loud cries of " Oise Lion I" He assured the House lie had to offer but one observation, with. a view of setting right the Honourz able Member for Essex (Mr. Western). The Hon: • Member had stated that the estimates of the price of foreign corn had been made with reference to a depre ciated currency. That assertion he (Mr. Ricardo) positively denied—(Hear,. hear). The difference in the currency had nit been overlooked, and bad been guarded against in the making of these estimates. There was DOW a call of " Question" from all parts of the House ! Strangers were ordered to withdraw. During the time strangers were excluded, several divisioni ensued, and the Amendments were negatived. The last division was upon the Marquis of Losnoxasnav'd Resolution, that " The Duties do cease and determine." The numbers were— Ayes - Noes - 218 56 Majority - - When the Gallery was opened, the Committee were f oun d hi discussion upon the other e' solutions fur regulating the ware housing of corn, and imposing new duties. Several were agreed to.witkont a division; and the Noble Marquis said, h was not his intention, with reference to his second Resolution, to make any proposition upon grinding foreign corn in warehouses, foe the purpose of exportation. The House then resumed, and the Report was ordered to be received to.morrow.—Adjourned at Ihlf-past Twelve o'Clock; LIST OF THE MINORITY Irmo Tom Pea um THOMAS Limiampoe's PROPOSITIONS TO mace • PERIIANRNT DUTY ON Tilt IMPORT OP WHEAT OF 355. AFTRIt THE PRIOR SHALL RUC TO Fl 3. PER. QUARTER, AND ON OTHER! .ALTIOLES OF GRAIN AND PRODUCE IN PROPORTION. Bastard, J. Fane, J. O'Callaghan, Ccdonsl Browne, Rt. lin. D. Harvey, Sir E. Stanhope, Hon; J. Browne, —, jun. Hudson, H. Shelley, Sir J. Gkandos, Marquis of Jocelyn, Hon. J. Shiffner, Sir 0; Chichester, A. King. Sir J. D. Wemyss, J. Curteis, F J. Leigh, J. H. Wells, J. Cotterell, Sir J. G. Lockhart, J. nuncios, C. Milbank, M. - Drummond, J. Nugent, Sir G. SLLL6II,. Lethbridge, Sir 7`. In another column of our Paper will be found are Advertisement, announcing the Annual Spring Meet ing of the'Scottish Hospital, to be held to-morrow, the Ilth inst. at the 'Freemasons' Tavern, in G: eat Queem• street, his Royal Highness the Duke of CL A HENCE 'id the Chair. We sincerely hope the attendance upon that occasion will be numerous and respectable, as the object is extensive and praiseworthy. The Charity is one of the most ancient in London: it was esta blished by a few private individuals shortly after the Accession of King JANf ES I. afterwards incorporated by Royal Charter of King CHA RLES 11. and le-incor porated by his late revered MAJESTY, in 1775, for the relief of the Industrious Poor of Scotland, resi dent in this large Metropolis and its immediate neigh. bourhood, who have not acquired any parochial set tlement. The late Genet al MELVILLE, the first and only Governor-in-Chief rit all the West India Islands ceded by France to Great Britain in 17G3, and the oldest General but one in the British service, was, till his death, on the 29th of August, 1809, a zealous supporter of the Scottish Hospital, and the founder•of its Spring Meeting,of which the present is the Thirty second Anniversary. A nephew of the late gallant and benevolent General is cne of the Stewards of the day. At present there ate about three hundred poor objects relieved every month by this Institution ; and during .the last year passages to Scotland. have been provided, at the Society's expense, for 352 persons, with their wives and families. . Yesterday evening the Friends and Supporters of the Institution for Educating and Clothing the Chil dren of Poor Catholics in St. Giles's and its vicinity; and providing an Asylum for the entire maintenance ,of :Destitute Female Orphans, met at the Freemasons Tavern, to celebrate their Anniversary. Nearly 200 .persons sat down to dinner about six o'clock, his .Royal Highness the Duke of Sussex in the Chair, supported on the riBht hand by the Duke of NonroLK, and on the left by the Portuguese Minister : there were also present Lord STOURTON, Lord NUGENTi Earl Of &BUNTON, Sir JOHN DoYLE, Sir THOId.AS CONSTABLE, and several other'persons of distinction. The Report of the Institution presented a most flat tering account of the exertions of the Society during the past year. After the Report was read, the chil dren, who were so numerous that the room was almost filled to suffocation, were led in by the Stewards, while the band played slow mmic, and their clean and wholesome appearance excited great admiration. A handsome collection was made by the cuinpany. RICHMOND HOLISM—This venerable fragment of the ancient Palace of Whitehall, which has been ; so long in the faMily of the Duke of RICHMOND, and which reverted , to the Crown on the death of the late Duke, has been within the last week sold in lots as old building materials. The very decayed state of the structure in all its parts has fur the last sit years rendered it quite uninhabitable; and the prices at which the lots sold, proved the little estimation in • which They:were held by the persons who became pur•+ chasers. The workmen ake now gradually remotins 1 the materials: . , . , , .. arrw7-7 --- - ' -• ""77 9l ArriltrliriTYrilliiiNfrer,s 4 . . , • ~,.:. .. -- , •.,• 0 ' - - 1 - -;• -.' 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The . ton fatly bore him (mr. SOW f rom t h e in that county which had been so well characterised ing country of sightt_instead of 'being ma impcatint Pamphlet which had been pdblushed by the Honourl by old Lady Townsend, who being asked what was one. This we cow** to be, in Contequenpe of dfi abi.e Alember forfoltarling ft thought it de- the most remarkable thi ng s h e had- seen i n N or f o lk, injury dpne too ur . e o n tme t. ;e hy the war. After tbi Western) out in his opinion, lend provedi as he had t the time the hat that would replied, the most extraordinary s i g ht was two rgb. year 1784, when th 6 commerce of the country again said, that the premises of the Hon. Member led to his keyed might at bits fighting fo r one bl a d e o f grass—(A laugh ). _H e b ecame act i ve, we again became an importing touts. conclusions. He would on l y i ntreat the House to, y co u ld at once hoped the Noble Lord would extend his Resolutions, try of grain. He would, therefore, call-the attention take the advice of theiton. Membe r f or c ol to calsl rn anffiripnt Irnr if he did nnthines Mt,. Um tlkr....hr :c G....:..... ....- ...c f1e..,.............-- —_. 'J.e 1 , • . •,. . / , .• . ~ • .' . ' . 41 if• Y. • r . ..• . ‘ , , . • • • ma y . •- .. • . • 1 . ttl e i ll* 4h4e q hlealrt.a.l , OTA il i i i iil 4: 4 l 4. Aittielerintitlea . F00'67 . 60 miration of the . .. ( 1, . . war . • it, coot*. i rency. Ala weal antresy rlpeist big di that thi oroteetiOa Avis auk become ',invert, Sind the ruon.of f:atWrivapo t h cou n t r y i n ilia .present state Vit was inkonistbirt ivitl, dii - sifety t ot Mast r out 0 cultivation. Some of the most course of the smaiikan war; and theie which tollosce4 ; the country:t and that it was inipossible for es to re- - luctive and, too, would go out of cultivation even with Frater , tolhe year 1181, wo were ein expottp gislate while we 'were in %licit d situation. The . ptiblished by the Honour= i ton fully bore him (Mr. :at county which had been so well characterised Jag country Id Lady Townsend, who being asked what was of Sioini-instead of 'Wog an importing Pamphlet which had been one. This we cons** to be, in Coniequeaparof tit* abi.e Member foefortnfing Post remarkable thing she had seen in N or f o lk, injury dpne to our.coMtnerce by the war. After tbi Western) out in his opinion, lend proved; as he had ed, the most extraordinary sight was two rib- year 1784, when the Commerce of the country again said, that the premises of the Hon. Member led to.his fighting for on e bl a d e of grass—(A l aug h )._H e became active, we again became an importing toms: conclusions. He would only intreat the House to, Lif d the Noble Lord would extend his R eso l ut i ons , try of grain. He would, therefore, call-the attention take the advice of the Hon. Member for Code Castle : did nothing else. He thought, if foreign corn of Government to the restoring of-our commerce.--..(Mr..l3inlces), and patie.e before they had fully made . 1, r 5 admitted w i t h out restr i ction , a d uty o f lOs. Th at i t was , that must restore the prices , and afford themselves masters Cif this impo rtant subject. Com; it to be Attached to it from 80s. to Ms. From relief to agriculture. lie up t es,sed his favourable formins to that advice, and believing that weal * i 1 , to 100 s. a duty pf five s hilli ngs s h ou ld attac h, b ut disposition towards a free trade, is far as such Orin- not legislate on the Subject with effect, he should give mice could never rise so high. All he wished for ciples could be adopted. his decided negative to every one of the propo.itious: t that protection should be afforded t o th e f armer , M r . LOCKH A R T said, that somet h ing which he Mr. Alderman HEYGA fE thought the plan of t ' • i secunty to the Public. . had heard from the Noble Lord had filled 'hint with the Noble Marquis would increase the distress of the r. BURRELL was disposed to prefer the plan of dismay, and must have the same erect von the nil- agriculturists. Much stress had been laid upon t h e loble Marquis, whi c h h a d b een p ropose d i n t h e cu lt ura l wor ld. The. Noble Lsrd stated, th at i n arg u ment as to a free trade, and be (the I Alderman) mittee and afterward s wi t hd rawn . If a mot i on ma ki ng hi s ca l cu l at i on upon the amount of the pro- would have no objection whatever to such a trade; i made to raise the protecting duty on corn im- tecting duties, he•had turned the scale in favour of .provided other nations a dop t ed t h e arrangement; an d ; 5 , i ,:1 for home con sum p t i on f ro m twe l ve s hilli ngs t h e agr i cu l tur i st of this country. provided this nation were tree from debt and maim teen shillings, it should have his vote. An Hon. The Marquis of WNDONIAERRYobserved that He should not haienffered himself to the House; had . 1 Leman opposite was willing to protect the landed what he had said was that, in calculating the scale of it not been for the .statement of the Noble Magni' i sst to the amount of the taxation they sustained, duties, whenever he had a difficulty . in computing the that 76i. would be a protecting price for the English I • is to this.amount they we r e likely_ t o diff er . It averages he had turned the scale in favour of the grower. On the whole, he was induced to support been said the taxes amounted to ten per cent. agriculturists. - the plan of the Honourable Member for Cumberland calculation he thought defective. He was led Mr. .LOCKHART said, that was precisely the (Mr. Curwen). 1 •., . . . , Lord. Bat Sir W. CUNNINGIT A M ..rd..._,, .1..• Ti... .. l ...1. IS conclusion by an ext raor di nar y d ocument p ut wa y i n w hi c h h e un d erstood the Nob le i 1 T ' [.l ! v , I 41