Star. — London, England, 1817-01-29 00:00:00

1 L ate directions to do so, and the Address 11 7 A pledge on their part to comply with hie p roe ,r ' e l T H i g h,, e ,es most gracious wish. The whole; lie., the Right Honourable Gentleman related I m to finance, and his principal objection lay Miniitrrs for not reducing sooner. But he " 0 ,.,t , ;(1, that Gentlemen should remember the : or k uai a ',Turk of time and duration, and not the ► ez o,,,, 0 1 a moment. He thought the present was , t a prcpyr :ino to enter into d:sciission on the ..)1 cite ceuntry. It was 1) .itt?r, swely, to rr- I V such dibcussion till thd estimates were I,i c t , :he Hume, as then, he vas confident, it would j ! n every possib:e extrzion was made that ! he made through the recess for reducing. ters had certain..!, he was bound to say, :vt:ry thing cuall be done, and made incvt;ry necess.try for tl!e completion of this 1 ai,d d,Thired object. He saw not that ex inary Amami for the meeting of Parliament : P:.11 now done, which some Gentlemen other side did. In the country it was well , what distress prevailed, and surely nothing lord likely to alleviate that distress than Coon entienten being present on their estates, encou :, by their presence, the tenantry around them, ly their bounty doing all they had in their to soften distress. The general want of de fer articlesin one department of business, hai A considerably other departments, as indeed be the case in a commercial country. He ided, that the seasons themselves had con i to the present distresses of the country, :a t we should have been in a very different Inn if that had not been the case. The light Gentleman alluded also to the commerce of clottry, and appealed to the commercial indi -1:s in the House, whether they expected any hate amelioration. No one, of course, was !ne enough to hold out a period when tom would certainly revive, but it did not therefore it would never revive. They wanted nothing added; they merely wished that our commerce ' revive to the same extent as it had formerly A. There was a considerable degree of com a prosperity last year, and if we exported more ihe European market could consume, must not stagnation abroad create a corresponding stag at home ? No one could deny that the causes ited had produced and continieJ to produce el the evils under which we now laboured. tight naturally hope, looking to the state of the ry, aed ice internal wealth, that its: commerce be restored when Europe returned to that state she was tame the war. With :hat view of (uestion, and considering that the object of the idment would be obtained more regularly by mg the Address, he should certainly vote for tier. The Hon. Mr. LAMBE complimented the do. nreace of the Noble Mover of the Address, and the Gentleman whu seconded it. He also partiei. in the congratulations which they had so rmly expressed upon the subject of the victory at !lens. It was true, as had been observed, that in . subjugatism of those barbarians, there was nothing selfish to our policy ; but he could not concur in the sentiment o! an Hon. Gentleman that this country impelled Er a military Quixotism, to use its strength and its energies• in redressing the wrongs of °the—Staten. Lean look to the other par_ts of Europe, and we shall find no proof of an Id - ordinate of mankind in our Conduct towards them.— ns turn our eyes to Spain, where the dynasty Bourbons has been restored, not for the good the oppression of the people. (Hear. haa;•.)— ; there are no triumphs of British valour, which cannot rejoice in; the Conflict of Europe is ended establishment of a principle, which must be ap- Feted by all. 'Here be must stop; no further could bean'w.the spirit of agreement; there was one ex preuioa which bad been employed, which he thought especially obnoziogs.; it was that b which the public distresses were ascribed to el the c hange from war to " as if the cessation of war had been the source . lip misfortunes, and. it it had continued, we timid have had nothing of which to complain. Can • one doubt. that all our embarrassments originated loag and wasteful war, which the country has waged If it is mcaot to be understeod. that the change has produced the mischief, because 'it was • tooter effected. then it may to some eitent,be jus : atad if opportunities of terminating Abe con . were suffered to pass unregarded, blameattaches somewhere, and it would be well to search it inn, that pusisbment might follow. It is true, that when peace was obtained, distress began to spread through the lanl ; but upon any other view of the subject, than that winch he had just taken, the dispute appeared to him to be merely about words. The purpose for vifitch he rose; was chielly to address a few observe twos to the House on the subject of public credit. He was most anxious that it should be preserved matolate, for he was convinced, that so far from a breach of it tending to relieve the public distresses,' It walk!. lira teraio, increase them.—(hear, hear). -1 liEhad no idea that the good faith of the country was an.obstacle to its prosperity ; he believed it so be the foundation of its greatness. 'He well recollected the elatnour which was raised against, the farmers some years ago, when prices were considerably raised, bdt he hoped that the Legislature would show equal firmness, it the cry were now to be raised against the just demands of the fundholders. There were other modes of redress more efficacious and more honourable t it was well to talk of public distresses, but the House must do more, it must exercise its dis cretion in the treatment of them. The House and the country must be prepared to make the necessary Nseitigations, in soda- to determine what relief Can he faded, and where retrenchment cannot possibly he Introduced, the periple must and will consent to Gear the burthen—(flear, hear.) 11 was not very clear that to discharge the men from the public see vme. was the most certain mode of general such a plan would tend to fill the workhouses. and encrease the parochial burthens. It had been said, that it was a question of income 'and espendi ll'res but he was of opinion, with the amendment, that it teas more extensively commercial and political use Honourable Gentleman had Allowed it to be. w•Auld .ay to the House, look into all these sub- s --look to the Colonies—(Wear, hear, hear,) — /9 the extension of territory, and every department of the national affairs, with a clear and steady eyo. .It "'s true , that every peace was accompanied with Ist'oltisoitteitioht of.dittreit, ind failitres id *site id! reveaue; brit the sympterni.of oar national dirtien-.1 "ion and Wretchednets were ten thohneed times more certain and alarming than ih any former instanie..... (Hear, hear.) He would recommend that the ksoni Laws should be J : the sure levied fir the sup: poit of those who cannot support themselves wee equal in amount to the Property Tat. and infinitely more partial and oppressive. (Hear.) With respect to the disposition of the people to clamour and violence, he was not aware that it had manifested itself very extensively, and be hoped it would not ; he held the liberties of the subject sacred ;—he re. verenced popular meetings ; they were calculated to produce the best effects, and he should be especially careful how he consented to any measure which might restrain the exercise of this right; but if there s:.ould be any indubitable proofs of sedition—it pub -1;c meetings should be the pretext for public viAlence, the lives and property of the peaceable mutt be pro tected, and the aggressors wished, to deter others from the same course; every thing tending to anar chy must on the instant be suppressed. Rebellion was a falsifier, and keep:l'one of its promises; it was the greatest enemy to liberty. ar.d would he dreaded in its approach by every friend of social order and happiness, as the greatest evil which could happen to either—(Near, Afar, hear.) ' Mr. C. ORA ell* teleehi that most of the sub)ects which had been inentiooed by the Honourable Mem ' her who had just sat down, as proper to come under the Committee of Retrenchment. might be considered in other Committees. He agreed with the last Ho- nourable Member, that the great sources of our wealth were our agriculture and manufactures. It was true that a great part of our distress was occa sioned by the war ; but the manner was what had not been exactly decided. If he might be allowed to give an opinion—when the war took place we had been an importing nation: but when we could gain as sistance from no quarter, we depended upon our own resources, and became an exporting nation; thus our manufactures were famous. As soon as the war ceased, however, we instantly returned to the system of importing, and the season seemed in some de gree to require it; and thus our manufactures be came less sought after, fur the impulse given to our trade in one principal article, had formerly lent us a kind of command over foreign commerce.— With regard to the disturbances that had occurred, be trusted there was but one opinion in that House upon the subject. There was a spirit at work through out the country, of a most malicious and daring cha racter, which Attempted In pervert our distresses into an instrument of disloyalty and sedition. The effect of its machinations, if indulged, would be the subvete sion of the Constitution. He was far from confound ing with those incendiaries, the individuals who, from motives which he believed to be sincere and honour. able, however much he might differ from them. sought a Constitutional Reform. But the history of all ages proved, that the most wise and virtuous, in' the attainment of their object, had sometimes em ployed as • auxiliaries, instruments who ultimately became their masters and their tyrants, and therefore the danger was to be guarded against. He trusted, j however. that the firmness of that House would pre serve this country from such dangers.—(Hese, kw") ATTACK ON THE PRINCE REGENT. The debate was her interrupted, by a Mesas from the House of Amer, /equine% a present conk.- rence in the Painted Chamber with their Lordships, upon a subject materially affecting the safety of, his Royal Highness the Prince Regent, and the honour and dignity* Parliament. Their Lordships further stated, this the urgent importance of the case bad induced them, in the absence of the usual Officer, to send the resent Message by the Clerk Assivant, and the Reading Clef* of their Lordships' House. When the Messengers had withdrawn. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER ' , moved, that the House would send an Anlyrer to their Lordships' Message, by Messengers of its, own. The SPEAKER observed, that the unusual man ner in which the communication from their Lard. ships bad been made, required that it should be marked by the way in which that House noticed h. j The Messengers from the Lords were then Called in, when the Speaker said , that he was commanded to acquaint them, that the Message from their Lord ships, requiring a present conference with that Amin M the Painted Chamber, they would sodas. Awe: - by messengers of their tone The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUE then moved, that in consequence of the importance of the occasion, that Hoeft acquiesced in the roasters assigued by the House of Lords for sending their Clerk Assistant and Reading Clerk, trusting, however, that it would not be drawn into a precedqs on future occasions. 'Cho motion was carried. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER next moved, that the House do agree to a conference with their Lordships, and that a Message be sent to their Lordships acquainting them therewith. • This motion was also canted, and Lord Binning was sent to communicate it to their Lordships. Upon his return, The SPEAKER observed, that the Mt step was to appoint the Managers of the conference, when the Chancellor et the Exchequer, Mr. Ponsi.nby, Mr. Canning, Mr. Tierney. Mr. Brand, Lord Archibald Harnilton, Mr. Fremantle. Lord Lascelles, Sir Samuel Romilly, Mr. Rose, Mr. W. Wynne, Mr. W. Smith, Mr. It Bathurst, and others were named. At the expiration of about ten minutes they re turned, and the Cueucats.on of the Excuratunt in formed the House, that their Lordships desired to acquaint toe House of Commons, that several daring outrages had been offered to the person of his Royal Highness the Prince Regent that day in his passage trout Parliament ; that they had agreed. to an Ad dress to his Royal Highness thereupon, to which Address they desired the concurrence of that House; and that they had also communicated the name. of the witness examined at their LA:Mips' bar, viz. the ' Right Hoe. James Murray, commonly called Lord James Murray, who was in attendance to be exa mined by that House, it it judged proper to no so. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER moved that the communication from the Lords be taken into consideration. Mr. WYNNE said, thatbefore the House procee ded to consider their Lordships' communication, it would be convenient for them to settle what course was to be taken assto the other business bet4e them. Fur his own part, he thought that it would be &IS _ • • 'bolt for the House tothidrit id die ionsisleiatioti of, die question respecting the Prince Re4ent's Siitech, And he should engirt' that kite debate on it be ad- i ' journed. the CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER was of opinion that the Mouse would best consult its dignity, if it proceeded thii efternooi to no other business, after the censidekation of the attack on his Royal Highness. The SPEAKER said, in whatever m inn-r it was settled, it was convenient it should be d-cided then. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER moved, that the debate on the Prince Regent's Speech be adjourned toll to-morrow. Agreed to. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER then moved that the Message from the Lords be taken into consideration. The communication was accordingly read again, together with the Address agreed to by their Lord ships. which was to this effect : " We, his Majesty's most dutiful and loyal subjects, the Lords tvirltual and Talavera! in Parliadsent assembled. beg lave to approach your Royal Highness, humbly to elprt Si our abhor. truce of the outrage tiered to your Ronal Highness on ycit:r pas. sage from Parhament —to assure your Royal Highness, that we feel the deepest cut,cera and indigniAtin that there should be roue I any individual la his Majesty's dominions capable of an attack au dariug and flagitious, and to express our earnest: wishes, in which we are confident we shall be joined by all descriptions of his Majesty's subjects, that you wilt be pleased to ordet mea sures to be taken, without deb!, se diatom and bring to jubilee the aidera and ebenets of this atrocious preeeedkig." The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER then moved, that Lord James Murray be seat for, whisk was agreed to. It having been shortly after repotted to the House by the Serjeant that Lord Jaexei Murray was in at• tendance, it was ordered, on the motion of the CHAta ceu.ou of the EXCHLQuak that his Lordship be called in. Lord JAMS Murray then appeared at the Bar, and was examined, the questions being addressed to the Speaker, and by him to the witness. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER asked what si tuation his Lordship bolds iv boasebold Obis Royal Highness the Prince Regent t—Lord haus Mvaamr— flat of Lord of the Bedchamber. The CHANCELLOR oldie EXCHEQUER.—Wu his Lord ship is attendance es his Royal Hisbness on his tonging to open the Pa:hauteur tilde day d—Lord L Musaitt—Yes. The CHANCELLOR of the EX C HE'j U ER . Was his Lord. Alp la the carriage with his Royal Hightteu when he returned beat the Parliament I—Lord J. Molt awn -y r . The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER.—What hap. prised in his Lordship% own ,aight or that occasion t—Lord J• Meattev—On his Royal Highness% return from the House, be- tween Carlton House Gardens and St. James's Gardens, the glum of the carriage od the left side of his Royal Highness was broken. 11141 CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER.—In what man ner did the fracture appear to hi. Lordship to have been produ ced I—Lard la as Mu a e seemea tei have been produced by two bullets of a small sin, about a quarter of an inch apart. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER. —Was his Lordship coolltlent that the fractures must have been produced by bullets or some other substances thrown with great violence t —Lord J. MUIIIATII ban, not the slighted doubt that they were produesd by bullets. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER...-Would his aloinadessffessdris die great —Lord L Muaanv—Aboot a agnate after the glass was broken in die manner I have deribsd, a large stone was thrown against the glass of the sarriage, which broke it, and three or four- other small news wen throws, whisk wreck the gins and the ether parts of the carriage. Glebe EXCHIQUIR.—Was the glau whkla was broken by the large stone the same whist' had been perforated by dm belletat—Lord 1. MusiaAr.—lt was the same glass. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER. —Had his Lordship delete abeam the atasuer la whkh the glass was per Wand, In the Interval between the ant hatters and the glass being finally broken ?—Lordl hfunaav—la that loterval I ob. versed the part which was Ern broken ashattely. The CHANCELLOR of theEXCHEQUEIt.—Did die Noble Lord observe whether sub a 'masher of panes sureuunded the carriage. that a pistol might be diecharged. and the prow by whom k was heed we immediately mosgeles4l—Lord J. hi crowd not Wag seasslw SW the caning% I opo• calve that if a pistol bad Wee And with gunpowder, the perms must hive beim observed. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER.—Does hi. Lordship coeds& that the lest frasiture fras prodoced by a bollet discharged hews some oche instromost thaw a Fisted, stub as an sir gun I—Lord J. Mu aariv—l suppose. or /heard as report. Mu the bullets must have been discharged without gunpowder. TheSPEAKER aim asked whether say 'the; limber wished to Fut qurstions to the wkness t Sir 8. HOBHUUSZ asked whether any ballets bad bees &shad Is the carriage t (Him, heir !)—Lord J. Mundy —I have Dot heard that any bullets have teen hood in the carriage; I theeld observe. that I seoceived from the runner of the fracture, that the bullets men have cone from seise height. perleps (toes tonal et the trees, ofwlkb then are many Wilms part et the Park, In width there were several persons. A Massage asked, Did his Ler , 'ship Iry any of*, which 'e duced him to suppose that the hollow badpassed through tie car dap I—Lord 1. hiettaay.-1 beard uo wise but that produced by the fracture of the glass. Mr. C. W. WYNNE asked, Whether the *probe glaw was up sr down —Lord 1. PAvaaer.—lt was up. Mr. BROUGHAM—Did Ms Lordship observe *bathe holes in t►e opposite glass l—Lord 1. Mira ear —k was sot broken at aN. The season I supposed the ballets to have cone from a height was, that *ours et the glass were thrown nobody to the lawn pan et dte eppodte side of the carriage. • Mr. BROUGHAM—I would ask s whether bullets or soy *huller substage,' were to the bottom of the carriage t—Lord J. Mr attar bad no opportunity of awenaining this, as I left the carriage latosedlately alter the Prince Regent. A Minima wished to ask. Whether Ms Royal H *Mess had given any directions to search the retrieve—Lord J. Mint RAT I mount *perk to this on any own knowledge. Mr.'IIIItOUGHAM.—I wish to ask who was In the carriage besides his Royal Highness and Ms Lordship, and who sat on the side nearest the glass which was broken ?—Lord J. MUltaAlr The Master of the Maw (the Duke of Montrose) was in the carriage, and sat on the side where the gime was broken. Mr,BROUGHAM.—Did lair Lordship observe at the bottom of the carriage any thing but the splinters of glass t.--I.llrd J. only observed the splinters of glass at the bottom s of the opposite dower the carriage. Mr.BROUGHAM.-1 wish to know whether she large stow whkb afterwards broke the glass entered the turbots...l,ord 1. ; the Om gaga is very and tlbctooo did ;sot enter. Lord COCHILANk.—ii as the . 'Hilda?, *Ma litra next Ms Royal FO tress t —Lord J. lostuaa.tr —lsis Au) Highness sat in tit- saiddls of the carriage. Lord hilisTO:4l.-1 wish to know whettier the 'tune w'slels was subsequently thrown un.tsited be window, or merely star red the glass t----Lord J. Mumaar—lt not only alllaltird the window, but pounded the glen. Mr. WYNNE.—Way aot the glass can 111113USI thickness i—;* Lord I. Mustier —lt wts remarkably thick. Sir R. HERON.—Who were the persons on the °ilea* of lib carriage peeress the v filthier when thus struck, whether soldiers or otters Lord J. MUSCAT—There was one footman on the side of the door, and one of the Life Guards immediately behind him, but tin soldier opprisite the window. A Mamma a,14t1 whetlor Ins Lordship supposed that that bullets perforated A:4 othcr.patt of Itt;f• carriage at all Lord J. Multi AT ..tVit'e ti.-r p farmed any oilier part of the curlier i dw liot bit I otppose tl.ey did. His Lordship was mu) orlrred to withdraw. The CH ts..:ELLOtt of the EXCHEOUF.rt then said, that the timse having heard from the mOrttlt of the Noble Lord the particulars of this daring ou , rage, on the verson of the Prince Regeht, would require, he presumed, no other reasons to M ace them to adopt the Address which the Lords had communicated, especially wile.. it was considered that this flagitious attempt took place While big Rc.pil Highness was returning from the exercise 11f ;he Royal prerogative in opening the 13ession. He then, moved, that the House do adopt the Address of the House of Lords. Mr. PONSONBY suggested that the Address should be read a second time. The Address having been again read, Mr. PONSONBY said, that he believed he only expressed the unanimous opinion of the House, when be cordially expressed his conviction of the propriety of the Address. (litardamr.) Whether the fracture in the glut of the carriage of his Royal Highness had been produced by Wen did nut, he thoughry clearly appear from the evidence of his Lordship,— Whether it was or was not thus produced, it was of little consequence at that time to conwdet I far though it might be of some importance with regard 'to the guilt of the person by whom the crime was committed, it could not have the smallebt isthmus lon the decision of the linute. (flew, &Jr.) The Address • communicated by the Lords was agreed tn, aemiae cosarailLaste. It was then of del ed th at the Members of tilt House who were of the Privy Council sflould wait on his Roy Highness, to know when he would be pl ease d to receive the Address. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER thentave notice that he would take an early upper. tunity of riming a vute of Thar.ki to the Governor. General of India; and that on Monday nest he wool,' propose a i•itnillr vote to Admiral Viseckunt Evnnuth and the 11..:t nad.r his command, for their gallant conduct belo.e Algiers. T!)e H use then, at hall -past eight o'climk, ad journed till to-Morrow. MEETING AT PALACE-YARD. Yestnday an immense concourse of persons aesem. bled at Palace-yard, it being understood the last Meeting at that place bad been adjourneu till the first day of the Session of Parliament. About four o'clock, Lord Cochrane and Mr. Hunt mpeared in front ea window in a houw&li a "aais to 'di - south side of the King's Arms Tavern, in front of which the hustings are usually held. Their appearance was greeted by a g.neral shout from the persons who crow.led ..bout the house. Mr. Homy then came forward, and told the people that in the house torn which he spoke were the twig ings of Lord Cochrane. Thu no his Lordsh p would devolve the duty of presenting the Pettioiis oir form which had been agreed to by the several Meet ings held for that purpose. The 4elegates who had been trot up to consult upon the b st measures to be ' adopted for insuring the success of their grim object —Reform, had, before their dissolution. agre,d that their Petitions should be presented by Lord Cochrane, and his Lordship had accepted the task, and was come to present the P,tition of the men of Bristol.— That Petition was s.gned by 20,731 individr ils, who had unanintously...sgreed Chit by Rtftniti —radical Reform alone, could our glievances be reinetliei.—. The Bristol Petition -would this night be pieseitord in • that House (*he House of Cwnmunj), and it Would tell them that unless they reformed thentstlves the lcountry would be rnisied. Mr. Hunt then narrated the Meeting Cu peaceable conduct. and begged that when his Lordship (Cochrane) should leave them to present the Petition, they should return peaceably to their hotnes—(Cues of Ili will, we will!) Mr.' Hunt observed, that the enemies of Returns widied for no thing more than to produce riot and disorder :inning the supporters of that measure, but he malted they (the enemies of RefOrm) would he disapirointed.—. (41/01aese.) The temainJer of Mg. flont's address was totally inaudible to those who were 1101 anon - diately near hid'. Lord Cocnnaax next piesented himself am d t loud and continued cheers. ti's Lotdship observed, that on the present occasion hr had come belme his Con stituents to express his acceptaoce of the honour which had been done in appointing him to pre,ei,t the sore ral Petitions for Kt:lonm His Lordship then ad verted to that pat of t'ie Rtgent's speech which stated the disaffection of the - y, and his determination to use every means given him by the Constitution to suppress it. lia (Lord Cochrane) hoped, that the olee.ing which he had the honour of add.essing would so demean them selves as to give their enemies no ground of charge against them I there were many who would not desire any thing more than riot and disord.r on the part o f th e pe,,ple, bet he trusted and hop:1 the people would do justice v.) themselves and be firm, but at the same time temperate.—(4/0/atur). firs Lordship also expressed 3 hep, that the present ' Meeting of Westminster would be the I est., which it would be necessary to hold het, re rt.e ~ecompl.st, meat of then great object— Contt.ttitional 12e;orm. He trusted that on the peseta evening his Mend Sir aucis Burdett would come for aid and e.;ive noire of a mutton for bringing in a Rill for pule aged rao,. cal Ref irm. In ceeticlusews tie woielsl iet.te•et the ;seleetteg not '6 prueced wish him ler:l,cl than tbe door of Westminster Hall; it very Jed, they would destiny their owl and tzive their cut - hilts 4 gee. t cause of com t mont against them —_.Anti the AcHtess, of vhAcsi tire above is but an outline, QC. -., t foance .1 ▪ , e: ve aW e be a m a vtrt 0%1 b istert fyr! cry in .11 t srer tl • . ;; wn .is nrIT ri Gent p i ing. I s a I by .ver te wad lo ,fsted ioSt be 0 own& o cadtei s al that a t arino ta. We CO riCsis s anguine soce highs it to be ad, should ri eitted. mercial then the tat Sial nation a be stater many c We 'nip .unti y ; would h in %%AL! Or que: Antrnd adoptini the Nut The garnet Hon. C paled warmly Algiers the subj selfish r teatime was is maga 0thet....4 Europe, hie of Let us it Mel bet the -;rBei tl cau atheei lie 4 1 passion especial) tharesse peace." of all nt illuold I way one is the h waged dbaoge not tool tiled ; lest wee sonsewh thin pnl peace w the lanl teat wh to him eigtch I twe e to He wi ioriolat a !ye a; it wo o l, He-had lid 44. the foul the ela; mote yi bet be firmnes the just other n honour; hot the action the Coo illrrstil affa be lull twat th clear tli vic e , u lion, tt and nu Sa id, 0, true; that tt , than at Hews jects—.l to t h e , the oat WAS tr