Star. — London, England, 1803-07-29 00:00:00

Ite tat off* kr on. the Oceirioil.. Me It.t.' , sevelljing opthhm, Roo till U aimed banditti hafbad time to commit a few more murderi r Are no piecautions'to he taken t ia prevent &Ai and fush - melaricholy 'code- ,sines ? The propolition of deftly is perfectly atsfurd, in fuch a critical emergency as the prefent. I conk not refill the intimate I felt, and I am convinced that E veryman in the Houle moll feel a defire to exprefs : ienlimentsdirealy the reverie of what the Right Hnn. Gentleman has ventured to throw out. The Houk is ! by no means precluded from voting for this Addrefs at prefent ; but grant that it was precluded by forms which mug on other occafions be rigoroufly attended to, I would afk, isnot this an occafion where 4 natal nl and fair line of diftinttion ought to be drawn ? It is not now for us to enquire into the caufes which have conduced to this rebellion, or whether it has originated from any degree of neglat t—but to fay 'that we (ball adopt precautionary meafures. The only tendency of the Right Hon. Gentleman's objec 'Con has been to prevent the good effect which would undoubtedly have arifen from our (hewing to the country that we are all of one fpirit, one feeling, and one voice, as to the propriety of adopting force fpeedy and effeetual meafures for quelling the rebellious infurreElion which has unhappily teftified itfelf in that part of the united kingdom." Mr. WIND/AM, ill explanation, Paid, he (hoold not have even expreffed thofe doubts which he had ex. ;wolfed, if his fo doing could at all prevent the necef ifary meafures being taken for the fecurity of Ireland. Dr. LAUKIINCE.-•—" My Right Hon. Friend has not, in my apprehenlion, made any objedion to the motion. but merely wifhed for an enquiry into the Rate of a country conneeled with this by every tie of reciprocal intereft, of Situation, and of detliny. Ido not confider it as a proper anfwer to him to fay, o pats this meafure firft, and you may afterwards move any enquiry you think proper." Minifters heel no right no throw that emu upon others, it being their duty to I produce themfelves all the neceffary information.— Trorn the manner of the Noble Lord, it &mid teem as if he confidered it as a queftion of pafilon and feeling, and not a qtteftion dependent on the judg / went. When they all acknowledged that my Right Mon. Friend made no °Nation to the motion, how came all this vehemence again& him ? One Hon. Gentleman (Mr. Sheridan) afferted, that he heard no argument from him, and yet the greased part of his own (peak was in anfwer to thole things, which, if Jey were not arguments, at kaft bore the &ape and femblarsoe of them. Had that Hon. Gentleman attended all the debates is this Houk, he would have beard Members from that part of the country an. tertime a Ipirit of loyalty. pervading all the people of Ireland. That fpirit is certainly Ir:confident with the occurrences ssuste.fpoken of, though sot fo much fa with what a Noble btember (Laird de Blaquiere) &ration* mentions', of the tricks and gambols of lion.ing bootee, wounding cattle, etc. I will not ftreple to maintain that the tyßem of Millilitre has been to blind the eyes of the people, Co as to prevent • them from feeing the real Rate of affairs. At one time. for the fake of fume particular mea(sne, they reprefent the country to be at peace, and in a few fitouths or weeks, afterwards communicate fuch alte red circumflances as nothing but a miracle could feemckpable of producing. The Noble Lord ( Hawker h9ry ) boldly silted, in what did the Minifters withhold information ? I anfwer, that they have done is now in the prefent cafe; that theLdid fo.On the effeas they peopofed cfpe#llii.ta binprodoced by the peace ei Amiens, and, sliatibere never was a vote , called for in greater cfarknets than that which pared in an fwer to his Majelly's Meffage of the nth of March. Y e t with all thefe impregnable alliances againft him, the Noble, Lord Wields the great weapon of his ora soiy, attd peaking at the utmott height of his voice. Snakes the founds se-echo by repeated blows upou the table : the ve challenges he h. as given thew himfelf to be blind. f iery of hear! bear!) The Minister hissfslf who appears to feel bold upon this challenge will, Iliac mate Via behinds prove names. I conclude, Sir, with giving it as my opinion, that no . 1 swot confidence we can pats win have the fame ef fect as an alt of our judgment, agreed to without forernnning otfr deliberation." ' Lord CabTl.fitaon rote to anfwer tioneliVerva. Stens made by the Hon. and Learrieteentleman who' fpoke lan, and who, he obtented,*iiite to explain the (omit of a Right Hen. Gentleman (Mr. Windham); but which hip explanation tended to render he. clear and lefs intelligible. The Hon. Member Aid, his Right Hon. Friend had only called upon his Majef ey's Minißen to pledge themfelves to fall refponlllA. lity and explanation on the fuhjeas which called for this mature : lint.fuch a pledge would, in tome 'ma ture, imply an admiffmn of criminality on their parts. jlis Majelly's Knitters were ready at any time, to tweet any charge upon this or any other fubjea which might be brought again& them ; but they would. he was lure, give no pledge which could fubjed them to the implication of criminality. The Hon. Gentle man, and his Right Hon. Friend, bad charged bit Majtay's Minifters with criminal delay in bunging forward the late matures for effeaing the defence Sind fecurity of this Country. He owned he felt the charge with tome degrfe of indignation, becaufe it was unfounded and slljuf. If his Majeßy's Minifters had not been able to carry through thole tandems with the degree of expedition and promptitude that Would have been more fatisfaaory to themfelves, it Was beeaufe the meafures were new to the Country, and to Parliament ; and therefore it was inditpeslibly beeefary to proceed with deliberation, and give time to dikufs them in the fulleß and moll fausfadory *muter. But the queflion now brought forward was ow of ■ totally different ;mature. and otie Which could not admit of any &lay, but called for ' the ucma promptitude and decifion. There were many queftions of an ordinary nature, in which the }lnure. with perfeet propriety. might maintain its %fuel forms of proceeding upon a communication from his Majefly. It had always, however, been ;dual, in Parliamentary proceedings, to acknowledge his Majdly's bleiTAge, and declare the slifpnatinn of the Houle to take it into confide ration, and aft there upon In Inch manner as in its wifdont ihould hem befl ; but upon a queftion of this urgent and impor• tant nature, it had always been ufual to met with the :non immediate promptitude ; and fo it was with anon of the preffing meafures brought forward in the late war by the Right lion. Gentleman and his fiends, when they formed his Maießy's Ailminitiration.— The Right lion. Gentleman had charged his hiAjef tl's Government in kelasil wish having keen ism e [rant or , an.T 'ttrifillgred for the *rent intlance df ,!oftirre(tiost. Tbo MR was, his IViajelty's Gores*- mein there wereapprifed fume days before it acts,* red, !hat fume torchitf was in agitation, and *el were prepared accordingly to defeat it. But he wi to know, from what, if from any authority but con. jraare, the, Right Hon. Gentleman (laced that the Government was within an ace of being overturned, or the capital within an inch of being wrelled from them ? From no authority at lean, that he himfelf ' kttew of, could it be conjeaured that the danger bore ally fiat of proportion to fuch a (torment. There was often a difpofition too prevalent with many " Gentlemen, when they ( poke either of the prevailing 1 loyalty or difaffeelion in any part of the country, to generalize the principle to the whole, which in fad was only applicable to a particular fpot ; and not withftanding the recent inftance of infurreetion and outrage which occurred in the metropolis, and that the feeds of the late rebellion might (till be cherilhed amonglt a confiderable portion of the ignorant and Tower orders of the people in certain quarters, yet he was by no means ready to admit that the charge was applicable to the whole Country : on the contrary, it was his own opinion at this moment, that a very conli derable change had taken place in the public temper of that country for the better; and this more erre cially, (ince the wife mcafure of Legiflative Union had taken place. Dr. Lawatoce complained or the fcantinefs of the information fubmitted to the Houle on a fubjea fo deeply inrerefting. He thought tha't the Houfe had a decided right to call for information refpea ing the whole circumfiances of the prefent fituation of Ireland. Mr. ALEZANDe a recalled to the attention of the Houle the vigorous and fpirited meaftires purfued by the Parliament of Ireland at the breaking out of the former rebellion. The dies of this energy and vi gour had been found ineakillably beneficial, and he therefore recommended fimilar firmnefs and zeal on the prefent occafioo. The promptitude and zeal of Parliament would do more to (bike terror into the rebels than any meafure uhich'Government might adopt, however vigorous. Mr. BaxHAM vindicated thofe who thought that a (port delay in replying to the Meffage could be pro duftive of no poflible inconvenience. He was ready to admit, that if the reply could at all contribute to the immediate fuppreffion of the rebellion, then delay even for a moment would be infinitely difaltrous.— This, however, was not at all the cafe for the conf. deration of the Houfe, for the mere voting of a reply refpeding the natuire:f which no poffible doubt could exilt, could have no pofitive influence in the ießora tion of tranquillity. Mr. AacisDALS took occafion to allude to what he bad on former occafions dated, with regard to the prefent lituation of the public mind in Ireland. It had been hinted that what he had prophefied on this fubjeft, had been completely falfified by the atrocious aft which had given rife to their prefent deliberations. To this alTertion he could not at all accede. When he (poke of the difpolition of the people of Ireland, he did not by any means intend to infiouate that the fpirit and principles which bad produced the late re bellion, were totally extinguilled. He knew too much of the Rate of Ireland ever to bring forward fuch an afertion. It had been hinted that fuck reprefenta tions of the Rate of Ireland, were the refult of the warmth of patriotic feeling. He had fpoken what he knew of the prefent fituation of Ireland, but he never meant to fay that there did not trill in that part of the United Kingdom, a number of factious individuals anxious to promote fchemes of anarchy and confufion. He withed that Gentlemen who voile In forward in bringing objeßions againli the conduit of Minikers, would imitate the cundua of an Hon. Gentleman oppolite (Mr. Sheridan) who on every great and trying necafmn, had taken the lead In loyal ty and patriotiftn. That Hon. Gentleman had, pitii a id all the violer.ce of party, and all the changes of `, we opinion, conflantly adhered to truly aria& i gbage and Mita feelings. Wherever the honour, the independence, or the rights of his country were Involved, that Hon. Gentleman bad been the firß to otter fentimenti calculated to roofs and invigorate the country. Such an example was partieularly worthy of imitation at fo perilous a crifis, He could not help thinking that Gentlemen would be much more ufefhlly employed in roofing the energies of their countrymen, than in oodles repetitions of the waakoefs of Minillers and the ability of the Geo vernment of France. Such reprefentations could neither be attended with beneficial codequences in this country or in Ireland. They could only tfifpirit the loyal and give new courage to the difaffefted. In England they could produce no poffibla advantage, while in Ireland they might be produdivo of the gfeatell injury. • The queftion being now put was stnanimonfly agreed to, and it was ordered that the Addrefs be prefented to his Majefty by fuch Members as are of his Majeßy'seriolt Honourable Privy Council. The CiIaNCILLoa of the Baas Kruse then laid be fore the Houk a Copy of the Proclamation ifued by the Lord Lieutenant and Privy Council of Ire land, offering rewards for apprehending the murder ers °Mord Kilwarden and the Rev. Mr. Wolfe, which being read by the Clerk at the Table, The CMANCILLOZ of the Excososisa role, and Paid,--" Sir, the Houfe will have obferved, from the Proclamation which has been jug now read, that the melancholy and thocking outrage which it de feribas was, in the opinion of thofe of his Majetty's Government who iffuedrk, the refult of dangerous and traiternes infurreltion :--and nothing Ihould induce me to bring forward the propoßtion which I intend this day to offer for the adoption of this Houle. if I thought the horrid outrage was the refult of ordinary riot, or any other (pecks of attack than one intend ed direßly cgainfl the State t and I am free is ad mit there could be no other ground which could Juni & a propofition for narrowing the lilac ty of the fob• jell, or trenching in any degree upon the principles of the Conßituiton. It is with the utmolt pain that I feel the necefUty now of bringing forward fuck a meafure, and it is with the deepeß reloßance that 1 undertake the talk. The communication jun now fubmitted to the Hoofs, does not furnilh details of the circumßances encoding this atrocious bufinefs fo fully as could be wafted, in order to prove fully to the•Hoofe, that it was the refult of a treaforiable In furrthion. But there are occafioos when Parliament may feel itfelf fully jullified in the utopias of vigo rous mediates. Such I Incas this day to propofe, upon theft:lcahn affUrarice . "his bfajelly's Mainers, fubje& to the heavy refponfibility in which they are bound, that ciicurnilatsees exiff, fuch as to war rant the a.loption of vigorous meafures. But be fide the circumflance detailed in the PrOciamation itfelf,. under the authority, of the Lord Lieutenant and Privy Council of Ireland, and ifued almoft from the Come of aftien, his Majelty's Minifters are in poffeffionof foch fart her partieulars % as plate the' , :utaiaty of a treafonable infurredion beyond an pofii ble doubt, but which it would not be proper at this moment to difclofe. This infurration was obvioufly concerted with the enemy, and attempted at a mo ment when invafion menaces our fhores, and the Par liament was fuppofed to be about to feparate. Sir, an Hon. Gentleman, who (poke eat ly in this debate, has (Aid, that any attempt to reform grievances at the point of the baynnet—ought to be met at the point of the bayonet. I agree with him, Sir ; and if to the power of the bayonet and the firelock, are fuperadded the vi gour of law, I unit fuch attempts will—as they ought, be effethially and promptly put down. I always feel the &veil reluflante in the neceffity of refbrting to vigorous meafures of feverity. But if the Houk felt the neceflity of arming the Executive with the powers contained Ma Bill which paired yefterday,for enabling his Majefty to (eize and detain all perfons (of - peeled of treafonable deigns in this realm ; there can be no objeCtion to arm his Majefty's Government in another part of the United Kingdom with fimilar powersagainft perfons accufed of Cuch crimes, when treafon and re bellion openly exift. The Bill, Sir, which I have to propofe, and I do it with the greateft reluaance, is not one to enable his Majefty ' s Government in Ireland to declare Martial Law in counties or diftrits where infurration exifts, for that is a privilege which his 1 Majefty already poffeffes by conftitutional right, but a Bill purporting, in its title, to be for the proteaion of the lives and properties of his hfijelly's loyal Cub jeas, and for the better fuppreffion of InflirrediOn and Rebellion ; and the °Nat of which will be, to enallie the Lord Lieutenant of Ireland, when any perfon or perfons (hall be taken in rebellion, to order them to be tried immediately by a Court Martial. I do not mean to give even the Lord Lieutenant of Ireland the power of' fuperfeding by Martial Law the operation of the Civil Code, nor to do prive the fubjed in civil cafes of the advantages derivable from the ordinary courfe of the law of the land. The power which the Bill I propofe will con. trey to the Lord Lieutenant of Ireland, is fhort of the power which his Majefty already paffeffes by his pre rogative; and nothing but the moll firm conviiftion of expediency and urgent neceffity, as a meafure well calculated for the objets to which it is direlled, would induce me to propofe it for adoption. There is another Bill which it is alfo my purpofe to offer, and (Mold the Houle think fit to adopt the prefent motion, I &all follow it up with another, for leave to bring in a Bill to fufpend, for a time to be limited, the benefit of the HabeasCor pus Aft in Ireland. Thisbill, calculated to effect, if polfible, by more lenient means, the Cup preffion of thofe crimes, which, without this fufpen lion, mull force the Government to the niceffity of bringing to trial, by Court Martial, perform againft whom any well foundedfulpicions of high treafon were' entertained ; but by detaining fuch perfons in cullody, prevent them from engaging in treafonable machina tions; and perfons fo arrefted may be tried in the or dinary proces of the law, without any military in terference. Having (fate d the purport and objets of there Bills, Sir, I will,nuw (portly advert to the hands in which the adminifiration of them will be vetted, and in which I have no doubt, Sir, the Hook will be convinced there is no danger, in fuck bands, of thofe powers being abufed. Fufi, my Lord Hardwick,, who has beets two years in the Chief Government of that Country, (and I have the fatisfaitien to nate, that during the whole of that period, not a breath isf murmur has ever been direaed againft any part of his conduit): He took the reins of Government in Ireland at the time of the fignature of the Prelimi nary Treaty with France, and though he was co Randy prefed to exercife the authority the Aft ot Parliament then in force gave him, of fobllituting military for civil law, yet he pai fi tively rejeeed fue l' proceedings, end reftored in all cafes the ordinary procefs.of the civil law. He felt. in fait, that no neceffity exifted for fuperfeding the civil by the mi litary-code, and therefore be reflored to the people the benefit of the for Mer. When it is coafidered. Sir, that Lord Hardwicke is affifted in all councils by the 4oryke of that amiable Nobleman and poly great cha rafter who fo lung adorned that chair in which ypn fit, Sit, and who now fucceeds another noble and il luftrious Nobleman in the Chancery feat of Ireland, I trod, Sir, it wilt not be denied that in fuch hands; the powers to be vetted by thofs Bills may be rarely entrulted. Sir. I have heard araage drierioes this day advanced by Hon. and Right Hon. Gentlemen on the other.fide of the-Houle, and athonglt others, it has been raid, that the prefent is a cafe which calls for delay and enquiry; but, Sir, if ever there reaps cafe which calletlfor promptitude and unanimity lo this Houfe, it is the ineafure of this day. What. flir, hall we be told that when rebellion has altuallybrokell out, and every moment is pregnant with the mot dreadful and alarming confequenc,s, that we are to , befitate for tedious enquiry and protratted dirculfies, before we arm the Goveinment with 'Relive for its fupprelE. al When the Right Hon. (S c e w at e l l es i man (Mr. Windham) was a Member of his Ma'a ty's Government, his memory will inform him. that a Bill for Sufpending the Habeas Corpus Aa paled through both Houfes in a tingle day. There have been many other inflanoes of Bills equally urgent in their nature having paled with Smiler expedi tion; and jf the prefent meafure be at all fit for adoption, it is fit to be adopted without a mo ment's delay. Thofe who ifued the Proclamation which had been this day read, though furrounded with danger, were fully polled of fortitude and reflation, and certainly would not have defcribed thofe circemtlances as a treafonable infurredion, which ought not to bear that conftrueion ; and though his Majelly's Minifiers do not think it prudent at this moment to diktats all the particulars, yet in a very few days the Hoofs will be fully convinced of the necet&y for thole meafures. As to the worthy and amiable Nobleman. who on this melancholy °mafiosi has fallen the 'idiot of ferocious and inforroftionary fury, his eulogy is bell infcribed upon the hearth and in the memory of all thole refpeeed char mien in both kingdoms to whom be was known, and who were the wheelies andimbnirersof his public and private worth. I moot fit down SW, without marking my 'operation - Ml:sq • , and refpea lot the tondo& of the Honour lie Mouth( r ovpofite to me this day (Mr. Sberidan)—aiutinguith d as it is now, and has been upon all .)ccidion. of pob lic danger, by the moll ardent zeal for his King and Country. Though I have often diffe•ed from him upon political opinions, yet, I have always fee°, with admiration and refpee, his readinefs upon all occa fions to facrifice, at the,thrine of public feeling, all confiderations of private friendkp and party attach ment. Well do I remember, Sir, his manly and eloquent appeal to this Houfe at the ever memorable. and regretted period of the Mutiny at the No.e.- 1" If the veffcl be in danger, let the crew run to the ' pumps ; firti let us lave the (hip firm finking, ind when the danger is over, call the Captain to account." Sir, that Hon. Gentleman by loch condo& hag im mortalized his charaCter, and will have his heft re ward on the hiftoric page of his country ; and I with thofe who have this night attempted to calumniate his conduct, would give the public the advantage of following his example. He concluded by moving for leave to bring in the Bill. Mr. ,Winniiare Paid, that all the authority the Houfe ' bad for complying with the prefent Motion was the decliration of his Majefly's Mini tiers; which. however well informed they might be on the fubjeS, was not fufficicnt to warrant that Houfe in entertain ing, certainly, a pretty liming meafure. He concluded by obfkrving. that the prefent teemed to be a day let apart in that Houfe for eulogies—like certain days appointed in Colleges for the purpofe of uttering ora tions in praife of the founders ; and he congratulated the Hon. Member upon the eulogium jolt beßowed upon him by the Right Hon. Gcntleman, and wifhed him joy of the compliment. Mr. SHERIDAN laid, he was not infenfible of the eulogium of which the Right Hon. GcntletriAtl (Mr. Windham) reminded him, but was highly flattered br it. The Right Hon. Gentleman, on a former occa fion, had Paid fomething of his (Mr. Sheridan's) (peak. ing at one fide of the Houle : the Right Hon. Gen. demon, however, had, he believed, himfelf been upon all fides of the Houfe. Fiat, he fat on the Bench near him, then crolled the Houle and fat as long as he would be allowed upon the Treafury Bench ; then, by a diagonal movement, he croffed the Houfe to the Bench where be now fat, and where he was pretty likely to continue. (Load 'laughter) —The Right Hon. Gentleman (continued Mr. Sheridan) has talked of eulogies, but he cannot charge me with being much in the habit of complimenting Miniiters, not even hiinfelf or his colleagues in office; neither can he charge me with calling the prefent Miniftersist opprobrious names—fuch asPhy Dow/at. and after wards Wrapping myfelf in a Oda of that Dowlas. On whatever fide of the argument I may have fpokcn in this Houfe, I deft, and challenge the Right Hon. Gentleman, and thofe with whom he ails, to point out in my p olitical life a fingle inn of Incottfillency.... I never deferred i private friend. a political connee. don, or fentiment ; nor did I ever regret a vote I gave in this Houfe but one, and that was for the in aemnity of the Right Hon. Gentleman and his col leagues in office. If in the line of coodaa which be bad now felt it his duty to pisrfue, be had the misfor. tune in tome degree to differ from a Frieild of his now *Vent (Mr. Fox). he could allure the Right Hon. Gindeman and the Houfe that he did fa with the fincerea regret ; and if it was any finisfaiition to the Right Hon. Gentleman to know this, he was welcome to all the confolation which it was calculated to iklbxd. , It is certain that I have, on many Ore alio* my rupport to his MajellespreGint MinidereeCi a t was becaufe 1 tbooght they JAW like Mundt Mmen i mi the bell of their opinions and abifalee. for the riot of their country. So long as they continue to union s ' they (ball have my feeble fupport, to the bells Ow power ; but it mall be perfeely indepeederie.aidpen. finny difinterefted : and equaUy regerdlefs of fennel or praife from the Right Hon. Gentleman, or his Colleagues in or out of office, I (hall continue to ea as I always have done, with the bell of my •my King and my country ; that country which I Wien., from the bottom of my foul, commas whhitt . it, the bell, the Worthieft, and the bappielt continitaity ' on the face of this global Mr. HAWTHORN, delivenml a traliit i grit OS the conduit of the Irills Goverment. it r modules bad been uniformly conciliatory aqd moderete.i... They had produced the beg effeiits on the minds of a great proportion of the people, and he trailed that die meafures now propofed, would, in their hind:, bi fisiedily the means of reaming complete tranquillity. Mr. Cana delivered fentiments to. the fame effect He was fure that the difpofition of the middling dates had been materially improved by the mildnefs sad conciliatory conduit bf the prefect Minitlere.:—. He gait his hearty approbation to the Ineafum now propofed. Mr. H. Swerve fupported the mesterei on AO ground of imperious neceflity. He expreffed bimfelf in very Rrong terms of Indignation agaiqfk the atro. tidos aft which had led to their being propofed by //boiler!. Mr. Hurentition fpoke at tome length In erOntia. doe of his former fpeech. He gave his fupportto the meafnre as indifpenfibly neceffary to the lafety.of Ire. land. He recommended, however, its lenient. appli. cation, mid wok occafion to advert to enentoltiesehich attended its curdle during the late rebellion. He de precated pathetically the reture of fuels odious Renee. LoidCASTLeallACllliliortlyrecopitulatedthegrounde of the 'mature, and 'fared the Hon. Gentleman who (poke lag, that it was the flied determination of Gb• imminent to render its application as little oppreffive as poffible. He even went fo far as to 'Lyra& aeon fident expeiftation that is application might be alto aether unnecefary. The promptitude and watt ifplayed this night would have a "It powerful Rococo in difcouragiog rebellion. . Dr.Lawaares fupported the meallne. aenbeiwit riling oat of the atrocious ad which ItJ to digit pis. • • I fent deliberation. _ _ Colonel Casa's:tam Iltemeded, and was ptoeeesling to enter on force military details, when he wat to order. Alter • Bost converfation bowels the Speaker, Mr. Windham, Mr. Braises and Dr. Lawrence, the bolinefs was fettled by the Hon. asJ Gallant °Geer giving notice of a ammo salmis* to the defame d the reidm, for Monday. The quellion was thee pat and !greed to law. am The Sal was foss deer kossist • and read a lirti "WI ins: itt &wig valved iles r Iketotedetee as the Bill, . Erma emr• I! l NIA