Star. — London, England, 1831-08-30 00:00:00

• 1 ll a 1 ` • 1 r .;'. l .... i , I .4 i I liv i ,‘,, i v , I li, ri i , 1 1 - 1 f. 1 ..... Mr! 711 1 Wi. .." ''' Y: peal until his motion was disposed of, wi irh w. 1,11 l ie as soon a* he conveniently could. It-. WI LIES consi dered that, by withholding the writ, they were punishing not only Liverpool, hut the whnle country. (Hear.) The hoops should recolleet that Liver. t•••ol would be now represented. had Mr. Dennison nor been riectul for Nottinghamshire. He contended that the house was deviating from the prinelrles of the empgitittion hv withholding the writ from Liverpool on this occasion. If the WTI , was moved for, he would support It. lir VERNON was of opinion that the discussion of t.och subjects in the house, was not prodoctive of much .-ood. Those who were guilty of bribery shoold be legally noni.hed. He did not see why the motion of the member for IViltshire should not be discussed as well after the ism of the writ. as before It was ton much for one member stm,i rn all the Meal interests of Liverpool. Mr. W A SON won't] oppose the issuing of the writ, after 'h.• tiivisisn to which the House bad come on this BUNCO on nee Minn. Mr. 1):1V ISO N would not enter into a discussion of the ''thioct now, as It was a l trecd on Saturday last not to diseion , pe l''Aflß at !elleth ; but he was of opinion that a new writ •hont:l he issmd for Liverpool. Sir G. CLPRK agreed with the member for Boston that no unneeestary delay should take place In the issuing of the writ. There was a distinction between this case and that of Doidin, for the instances of bribery in the latter were few. whereas it was proved that an extensive system of corruption had prevalct a' Liverpool. at several previous elections. He did not feel sure that, if there was a new election at Liverpool now, the same system of bribery which had been Practised nn a former occasion, would not he resorted to. It was therefore expedient that the new writ should not he issued until the motion of the member for Wiltshire was dist:tired of. Mr. O'CONNELL could not help observing that the Member for Wiltshire would take a great responsibility on himself, if he delayed the Reform Bill by bringing forward his motion; and he did not think that the Reform Bill could he got rid of before •even or eight weeks. Then fol. lowed the Irish Bill and the Scotch Bill. This latter was some cause of some opposition to the writ for -J.SerpOol, for if the Scotch Bill passed, no more plates or pension. mild he procured through superiorities. (Laughter.) Such was the anxiety for Reform on his side of the house, that thy did not allow a single &sure to pass, without turning and shit'ting various ways. (Laughter.) Mr. VMART complained of the Inconvenience which film the suspension of the writ. lord STANLEY nee. r knew of a writ being suspended ..f , er the dissolution of Parliament, for anything which had r k n place previous to the dissolution. 't lie petition was laid on the table. Sir R. INC& 1.15 presented a petition from Edmonton, c•tomlaininq of the beer houses under the new Beer Act. tics STII ICK LA ND considered this perbion less objec tionabie than other petitions on the subject. as it prayed rol e for a more strict police. At the same time, he must say 'Ow the 101 had not a sufficient trial. He thought that mitre houssi wire opened than would pay, and consequently Oro rile evil complained of must diminish before long. After a fe w words tram Mr Torvoa, Mr. I !UM 13 had several petbions sent to him in favour of thus, houses, but he told the petitioners that there was no oc casion to petition for this house would not act we absurdly as to repel a bill which permitted the sale of beer, on &c -ement of its immoral tendency, when the magistrates had power to license as many eia-shops as they rleased. Mr. O'CONNELL presented a petition from certain per. ese.s in Staffordshire. cotnplainin4 of having been impri !WV ed 18 mreetha for poaching at night. Mr. LITT LTTON observed, that those men had 'snacked some of Ins men on the **caution in question, and everely injured them. Ile thought the petitioners had been hseiently dealt with in not having been indicted under Lord Ellytehomuele's Mr. O'CONNELL perverted a petition from an indivi dual named S'eaw, complaining of not being allowed to have an attorney to defend him in a prosecution before some ma pi.eva'es in Stafren'shire, for an alleged violation of the name laws. The ben. member presented a petition from Undone*, the attorney of the above petitioner, stating chat he had brought en scion against the magistrates for turning him me of the room while the ease of Shaw was tinder consi deration, at d that be hail got but one shilling damage*, though the Judge was of opinion that he should get 2001. dotnages. The petitioner prayed that the house should adopt some means to enable persons who complained of op pression from meteorites.* to bring actions in other counties titan where the magistrates resided. Mr. LITTLETON never heard that the petitioners had not had justice done to them until now. Mr. O'CONNELL presented a petition from Ruheen, complaining of being obliged to pay 1.5001. to an absentee rector for rebuilding a church which had fallen down through negligence. Sir J. NEWPORT complained of the injustice of such proceedings. Several churches' were built in a slovenly manner, then neglected. whereby they won fell down, after which the Catholics were obliged to rebuild them. Mr. HUME thouzlit it a great hardship for England to be obliged to support an army fee preserving peace in Ire land, which was endangered by such conduct as was tout. plained of by the petitiemers. Mr. STA N LEY had in the last Parliament brought In a bill relating to the building of churches in Ireland, but it met with such strong objections from members whose sup port he expected, that lie withdrew it, hut he would shortly bring it forward loin. Mr. LEFItOI considered that a great deal of the dis. satisfaction which prevailed in Ireland arose from misrepre sentations and inAan matory speeches made in that hone. Be the Act of the Union, the Protestant Church in Ireland was to be supported as in England. Mr. O'Ct INN ELL observed that there was no law in England to enable Protestants to compel Dissenters to build clenches for them, whereas, in Ireland, the Protestants could assess the Catledice to any amount they released for the repairs and buildings of churches. for Catholics had no vote at veatties. lie really believed that there would be tmere church.goirg Protestants in Ireland. were It not that ti'e high.miroed Plotestants were ashamed to be mixed up with such a system of peculation. Mr. CR Att PT( IN did not mean to say but that there was were C3UPe comp!aint among the Catholics for the hee.idirg Chttrchea ; but the Honourable Member fot I:erry xvgerated the grievances to which they had been suieject. NIT. H. Olt ATT AN did not think thvt the grievances te• e'er which the Catholics laboured had been by any means t mlgeeratell. In the parish front which lee came, in the t.: my of Meath, a clergyman applied to have a church built. though there was not a single Protestant in the parish. Mr. S. RICE hoped that House would rot discuss this subject at further !climb at present, as he was anxious to go 10.0 a Committee of Supply. Mt. 0 CONNELL would merely say that, in the grants of money. 401. a year were voted for an organist in the church, though there never had been an organ in it. (Laughter.) The turn. and lamed reembet then moved for certain returns re. zprcting paper mills in Ireland; but, after a few words eon' Mt. S. Rice, he withdrew his motion tot the present. THE COSONATION• The SPEAKER acquainted the Itemise that he had a communication nom his 31ajesty, to the effect that the mem o, rs ct the house could be accommodated with a gallery in the Ald ev, to wine Ibb the ceren ot.y of :he coronation on the tali tf Se pr. tither ; but I.ls Majesty did cot deem it expe. Glen' II at el.. v should take any share in t'.e solemnities. Emil A LTH I HIP ti en moved, that a Conneitece be ap pointed to conimunicate with leis Majesty's Surveyor-Cenc i:els r. erect ing the beat mode of accummedating the members at this house ten the occasion of the Coronaticn. Mr. 111: ME he peel it at the :aceenimodatien in qt.cstion sated rot lead to any extraordinary expecae. if so, he would not be a party to it. (Laughter.) In consequence ut what s as stated in smother place, he Inas anxious about this sub. j 1 It, He wished the noble lord would lay on the table the estimated exp. tags of the Coronation. lurid A ITIIOIIP observed that an account of the ezpen. enure would he laid or, the table in a few (lays. He could hay that the proposed accommodation would not cause any additional expense. The motion was then agreed to, and the Committee ap pointed. . On the motion that the House resolve itself into a Com mittee of Supply. Alderman WOOD hoped that he would be allowed to . e the accord reading of his bill for regulating the speed of Steam Vessels In the Thames. ,This led to some desultory observations which were in. terruptad by Mr. Romney, who asked If the Government re aware that the French Government were availing them. eelven of their station in the Tagus, to induce the Portuguese Govertanent to give superior advantages to French commerce in Portugal. Lord ALTHORP knew nothing ache subject alluded to by tier lumostable member. • 11. c Honig then went Into a Committee of Supply. • • - : : _time.rfaxitsa 4 . 6o o ftif filni. • I. On the motion that 6,5001. be granted for the Royal Dublin society, Nlr. I.RA ORR complained of the grant being reduced from 7,0001. for tl at Society bad done much good in Ireland O'CONNEI.I. complained of the mode of admission Into that Society. He himself had been proposed by Major Sin, and seconded by Mr. Leader, yet be was hlackballed. ( laughter.) They would have had his money for the last 20 years, had they admitted him. They ought not to corns here for money until they tried to get all they could in Ireland. Mr. A. LRFROY supported the grant. Mr. S. RI CE would be extremely nucleus to sop Port a liberal grant to any society in Ireland that really promoted learning and the sciences, but this society partook of the nature of a club, which derogated from its utility. When it KM considered that the amount of public subscriptions to this society did not exceed 5001. a-year. he thought that the reduction now made was not too much, fur as long as the members received money from the Treasury, they would nut subscribe bountifully Mr. It. GORDON rppmvcd of the reduction. This so ciety was more like a club than what it purposed to he. He wished to know how many of these grants were to cease after this year. Mr. S. RICE w plied that the grants for the Marine So. ciety. the Foundlirg lgmpit. 1. the Richmond Penitentiary, and the Commission for legal Inquiry, were to:cense entirely after this yea►. and several others were to be reduced gradually. Mr. HUNIE hid intended to reduce this grant by one. half, for it was 'rally nothing more than a party club.— They took in all the high Tory Papers, such as " The Age," " Toe John Bull," &c. They took in " The Times," (hear, and laughter.) Why. what is " The Tunics." can any one tell ? (laughter.) It was clearly proved before the Committee that no liberal person could gain admission into it. They disposed of 1051. in premiums for new inventions yearly; yet in one year there were five premiums for straw hats. and in 1828, there were eight such premiums of 101. each. The grant given by Govern ment amounted to 91. per head for every subscriber. He never couLl corsent to have a grant continued to such a society, merely to support a faction. Mr. S. RICE said that government could not approve of exclus , on from a national establishment. _ After sonic observations from Mr. Leader, Sir .7. Burke, and Sir J. Newport, Mr. 11. (111 tTTAN, as a member of the society, felt bound to say that the abuses existing in it were much ag gravated. Mr. SIII El, said there was a reduction of 7381. in the grant this year. The resolution was then agreed to. A sum of 3001. was granted for the expenses of the Royal Irish Academy for the year 1031. After some observations from Nir. t )'Cox xtet. Mr. S. Ric,, &c. a sum nut exceeding 7001. was grante d de fraying the expenses of the board of charitable bequests for the year 1831. Oa the motion that 1,51104 be granted foe the expense di the Belfast Academical Institution for the year 1831, Some conversation ensued between Mr. Ruthven, Mr. Hume, Mr. O'Connell, and Mr. Wyse, in approval of the institution, after which the resolution was agreed to. On the motion that 12,9001. be granted for the expenses of the Board of Works for the year 1831, Mr. S. RICE explained, that in this establishment a saving of no leas than 1,11101. had been made to the public. Mr. lILIME had objections to many of the charges in this grant; but he felt that, until the Lord Lieutenant was got rid of, no reduction could be hoped for. sir. O'CONNELL replied, that getting rid of the Lord lieutenant would be the most certain step to lead to the re peal of that union which his Honourable Friend opposed so strenuously. After some further conversation between Mr. S. Rice, Mr. Home, Mr. H. Grattan, Mr. Stanley, Mr. O'Connell, Mr. Crampton, Mr. Leader, the resolution was agreed to. On the motion that 30,4191. be granted for the expenses of the several public offices in Dublin for the year 1831, A long .desultory conversation ensued respecting the re tiring el:owatice and the public conduct of Mr. Gregory, and the manner in which that gentleman discharged the du ties of the office which he had held, between Mr. O'Connell anti other hon. members. He was described as a political partisan, while Mr. Goulburn and other hon. gentlemen de fended hint from the charge, and contended that no man could possibly discharge his public duties with greater integ rity and anpartiality. The resolution was then agreed to. The house then resumed, and the chairman reported pro. gross, aid obtained leave to sit again. ''....;VPIIIIIIIIPI 4 ,k - : - .PW,Cltitile " t a. For the motion Against it FOREIGN INTELLIGENCE. • •0 to the subject before them. which wu not to extend any par ticular system of relief, but whether It wu expedient that e system of relief should be extended to Ireland ? If they decided in the affirmative, the stem to be introduced would be a subject or future conskleratioc. Lord ALTHORP observed that this was a (pestle. of the greatest difficulty and importance. He was sorry it was not in his power to contradict the statement which the Hon. Member ( Mr. Sadler) made respectiog Ireland ; but he thought be might say that the state of Ireland was improv ing. Now if the house affirmed the proposition before them, without having subsequently adopted some system or plan in pursuance thereof. they would be doing a great deal of mischief; and unless the plan was before the house, it would be difficult to come to a satisfactory conclusion on this proposition. He moved the previous question as an amendment. Mr. WRY LA ND said that the Introduction of poor laws Into Ireland would localise the employment of the poor of that country. and prevent them from seeking labour In other countries. Mr. SH El L observed that the objection of the difficulty to find efficient functionaries to carry poor laws into opera tion throughout Ireland was not applicable to large cities or towns ; it might be applied to agricultural districts. The boa. gentleman referral to the evidence of Doctors Chal mers and 1)oyle respecting the poor laws. Iteland diffred from Scotland in this--that there were very few absentees from Scotland. while almost all the rental of Ireland was drained out of the country by absenteeism. Much of the present !likely of Ireland originated in the disfranchisement of th. 40s. teal...Mem and the Subletting Act. Thousand. of families were expelled from their homes on account of these acts. It was incumbent on the legislature which passed these Acts to provide for those outcasts in Australia or some other settlement. The hen. and learned gentleman here gave en afEcting description of the miseries which per vaded Ireland. and sat down amidst loud cheering. Mr. STANLEY had made a minute inquiry, and the result was that he could not find out that any one tenant had bean ejected on account of the Subletting Act. That Act was by no means productive of the evils attributed to it. With respect to the introduction of a compulsory assessment into Dublin and other great towns, he would not object to it, if it would stop there. But if that was ntablished ' there should be a law o f s ettl emen t, f or a ll t h e poor would flock from the country into those towns. He objected to be pledged to the motion. because the proposition was not de fined. lie would not raise hopes in Ireland until he was sa tisfied that the plan could be established. If the honourable member would bring in a bill, it would have the most ample consideration. He would not offer an opinion on the sub ject, which was gaining ground. He would support the amendment. After a few words from Mr. Leader, Loyd Morpeth, Mr. S. Rice, Mr. Lefroy, 3ir John Burke, Mr. O'Moore Farrell, Mr. Renew, Mr. W. Mullet*, Mr. John Smith, Colonel O'Grady, Mr. Grattan, Mr. I). Browne , tie. Rathven, and Mr. Sadler, the Gallery w a s cleared for • ~- Majority for Ministers .. —l2 The other Orders of the Day were then disposed of; and the House adjourned at Half-past Two o'Clock. BRAZILIAN PAPERS, THIS DAY. Rio D Jaxriio, .11 , Rz 22. OFFICIAL. Baaz It. taxa !—Fulfilling the duty which the Constitu tion of the State imposes on it, your General Legislative Assembly proceeded to the election of a permanent Regency, which is to govern the Empire during the minority of Don Pedro 11. The formalities prescribed in the law on this subject, baying been observed, the absolute majority cf votes was obtained by citizens Francisco de Luria e Silva, Joe da Costa Cerralho, And Joa Braulio Muni:. Palace of the Senate, June 18, 1831.--Signed by the Pre. aldent and four Secretaries. The Mario do Goonwo to July 9, inclusive, is filled with same hundred local ordinances, decrees, te. LISBON PAPERS—THIS DAY. CADIZ, Avo. 17.—A Decree issued this day by the Board of Health of this City, imposed a quarantine of eight days upon vessels from polls in Great Britain and Ireland situated in and being to the northward of 54 North latitude; and of four days upon vessels from ports South of that latitude. Persons are not permitted to land at Cadiz, unless they bring passports, which must be countersigned by some Spanish Consul or Vice-Consul, at or near the port of clearance or embarkation. Lissom, Auo. 10.—The most excellent Senate of Lisbon has just given another proof of its zeal, and unalterable fidelity, by offering, with all its offices, to the King, our Sovereign, for the expences of the state, 5 per cent. of the total of its revenues, for two years. The payment of the first year being divided into two equal portions, for the first two quarters, and that of the second in the four following quarters. The Senate is not only persuaded that all true Portuguese will follow the same course, but know by experience that these are the noble sentiments of the people of Lisbon, whom it has the honour to represent. His Majesty has been pleased to accept this offer, and to express to the Senate his satisfaction with this proof of attachment.—Lisboa Gazette, Aug. 11. (The Lisbon Gazettes, from Bth to 13th Aug. contain no Portuguese news.) GERMAN PAPERS, THIS DAY. Faun THE DANUBE, Aug. 15.—The insur- 1 rectiou of the ptasantry in some of the North Eastern Counties of Hungary, increases in rather an alarming manner, ro that the magistrates have applied for a military force, and two batteries of artillery were accordingly sent thither from Pesth on the 12th. At first the insurrection was di rected only against the measures adopted for checking the cholera, because they were in many places very oppressive. and some of the authorities and officers behaved in an arbitrary, severe, wanton manner, which could not possibly be the intention of the wise measures - of the government. These peasants now exercise a cruel vengeance on all landowners, officers, or physicians, and we learn many horrid particulars of this kind. The insane notion that the, physicians sought to poison the poor people, by order of the go vernment, is generally spread ; and woe be to the physician or nobleman who falls into the hands of the infuriated peasantry. There is, how ever, no doubt, that the military will soon put an end to these troubles.—Nerestberg Correspondent, 21st Aug. PESTI!, A uo. 12.—The cholera continues its ravages, and Pesth, and Ofen, and the environs, is rather milder on those days only when the sky is clear. This week the number of deaths is between sixty and seventy, besides the mili tary, and no marked decrease is perceived. The evil, however, spreads in Hunger, ; and is said to be extending in the town and country of Oedenburg. Accounts from Transylvania say, that that elevated country has hitherto remained free from the disorder. Or ders have been given not to hold the August fair at Pesth, which will necessarily prove disadvanta geous to our commerce. It is strange that almost simultaneously in Rus sia, Prussia, and Hungary, the foolish report is • -- generally spread and believed, that there is a plot to! poison the people, by the physicians. In Pesth and Ofen the peo ple are pretty well cured of this notion; but it is very prevalent in the country, and proves dangerous. It is reported that the country of Sumeg has required of the country of Pesti), to be officially informed how it happened, that the blood of citizens was shed on the 17th of July, when there was a tumult there.—Allgemeine Zei tang, Avg. 22. -AV ,:~_- ~-- s om a a the porm=and from which the same Ch bet has, skim by w, or commence. in many j h stances sloe the onellodso July, 100, caused to 0 ,,: steed political landladies and directory laws. Tbe ses,V e of 1831 might, 'boohoo. (ne one will dispute,) to c on fi,; ile corniest* le doe three polnts—the mode in 1140 1 Peas are te he mensinmed, their number, and the hexed enenwsion tithe PesoW* istr ) The 'Prudhoe then awe •aed, at some length, his cle w , f fbe andsomire and policy of the government of F rakt tbe ocorehy was hereditary was, he said, undisp uted, sidle Isw and common consent had m a d e i t i n di spotah4. Ilk monarchy, however, was tempered by a particiniaa In the sovereign power of the two Chambers. The resser t . able functions, " the conditions of the existence" of the three estates, became the next question. ." C.on.titutiot a d monarchy, he proceeded, " carries within it a princip, e af dersbility and a principle of advancement ; and each of the two legislative estates receives one of these principles in oust from the constitution. To ensure durability is the chose. teristie duty of the first—advancement (inobitilel belong. to the second : hence the essential distinction in their Origin and composition. The organic condition of each of the t a Chambers will be conformable to their minion: far from reasoning with regard to them upon principles of analogy, we ought to reason upon a principle of opposition. Th,us if popular election be the natural parent of the one, a royal creation is the proper rule of institution for the other." The President then combatted at some length the theory of an elective peerage, which would in fact. he said, be net. they more nor less than a second Chamber of Deputies —. a mixed Chamber, part elected, part crested, he proved to be as little likely to act beneficially. He next obviated the ob. jection that might be raised upon the supposition of an abuse of this power by the Crown. Public opinion, he said, would be always a sufficient guarantee against such abuse; and with reference to the extravagant exercise of this power in 1821 and downwards, the disastrous result of such practices was, be said, the best security against their repetition. " The revolution bad not merely effected all that was just— le had rendered impossible whatever was unjust." After a kw winds more, warning the Chamber that there were diffi. entice on both sides, but that those on the side of an elective Chamber scented greatly to preponderate, he concluded thh had of inquiry by saying, " I propose, gentlem e n, t h at the nomination of the Pens of France shall belong to the Khis." He commenced his second head of inquiry by frankly stating, that but for the prodigal use of the power of crest. kg Peers, made during the latter years since the restoration, there would be no question of limiting that power, which ought to warn the Chamber, that under the question of prin. elides there lurked also a question of persons—question s which ought by no means to be confounded by a legis. later. " Unbalanced power," he said,. " was despotism ; and such unbalanced power a Chamber of Peers, inae. erosible to change or influence by an increase of its men. bens, must always constitute." The power of moderating the Chamber of Peers by new creations be held to be equivalent to the power of dissolving the other Cham. ber ; and to the Chamber of Deputies, the king's power of creating new peers must give a vast accession of influence._ After expatiating for some time upon these topics of argu. 'sent in favour of his proposition, the President closed his second head by the formal motion—" 1 propose that the number of the peers of France be unlimited." There re. mains, he continued, the question of the hereditary seems. Won of the peerage. This is the question to which apps. ready the Legislature has more especially directed the atten. tion of the Session of 1831. This is the question which has so long occupied all minds. It is at this point that we would avail ourselves of the consideration adverted to at the cam. mencement of this expesition; here it is that a constitutional theory is shipwrecked upon circumstances here legislation is engaged with policy, and the future welfare of the country,lperhaps, with its present opinions. Beyond doubt, if the question of the hereditary succession of the peerage were to be decided today by the logical come. quences of the theory of limited monarchy, by the authority of experience, a series of incontrovertible reasoning would conduct your minds to recognise—with the most distin. guished writers out Government, with those whose memory this tribune still religiously pteserve•—that an hereditary succession contains in it the principle of conservation, that it is the most solid support of the throne, and that it involvesa principle of independence which is the beat gunroom for liberty. Theory is in rayons of hereditary succession; expe rience is for hereditary succession; foreign examplea,and oar own, in a contrary sense, during forty years, render their teo downy. But, beside that theorede policy, which, from the recesses of its cabinet, contemplates what suits the society that ought lobe in every free state, is to be found a practical policy, which regards carefully that which suits the society that is. A government does not march across the country like a blind shammies, which considers nothing in its papaw,. It is thus, indeed, proceeds the absolutism of revolution with out justice, and of despots without lights. A wise severs. meat observes the facts which confront it—it consults them —it reconciles itself to them—and in place of immolating realities to principles, or principles to realities, it exerts it. self to mingle them together by approximation. One reality, then, is truenifest to us all at present, that is the universal repugnance to the hereditary succession of the peerage. Just or unjust, rational or irrational, it exists, it presses upon us, it will be satisfied. An opinion has been pronounced—an opinion by far too widely spread to be either overlooked or de spised, when, in other respects, it proposes no violation of jos. ties. It is such an opinion as when it relates to the 'rained government, alwa3s, perhaps, imperatively, commands some species of deferecce. It is more especially due at a paled when institution% as yet scarcely brought forth, want the pubtle favour, for which no reverend antiquity supplies the substitute. tla at such a period that we ought to reflect that institutions, however excellent, cannot be imposed upon a people by mere fore, and against its will. It were a most dangerous and unprofitable experiment, which would extinguish, at the risk of the greatest calamities, that *You pathy which henceforth ought to exist between the nation and its government." Here the President paused for a moment. The members all requested him to rest. After a few minutes' rest, the Minister resumed, He said that at the moment at which they were offering up the hereditary socoteden to the ter gency of public opinion, was not the moment tar eulogising its advantages; the partisans of a lik roar, be added, had been at sulkiest pains to show that it was no capensi. Coos regard to the prerogative which cussed Illiehtses to make the offering with some regret. The Pre/idols in putting the third member of his reposition in term modes short preface. "Yes, gentlemen, since a constitutional inderadotts which ought to be regarded in theory as the room; of public liberty, is confounded, in the imaglastios Odle peo ple, with the ancient aristocratic power, the oppressor stout civil liberties--since our duty, our absolute oncessity. is to consult the popular impression, we propose to you, as 'sisters charged to collect the public opinions, and to satisfy them in all that is not contrary to justice me peopae to yea as the depositaries of the interest of public ceder, but at the same time throwing upon you, as legislators, a pert, a got part, oft he responsibilityof that determination—we propose to you to deciare—diat the peerage has ceased to be hereditary. Te President added—" Meantime, gentlemen, the examina tion of the question still belongs to you exclusively ; and if you can persuade yourselves, that you can recognise in the symptoms of public opinion, or it may be in your own pee views judgment, motives sufficiently cogent to takes Jeri• sive part, we shall accept the lights which may be to us by the discussion ; we shall, without dillicart r y7 ll rally to the biotin, to which the sentiment of your constitutional resonsibility may give birth in this Chamber. A debate imedneted in a spirit of good faith, forbids our ever despair. kg of unforeseen results, for condom receives in such sincere discussions revelations which honest men will anxiously col. lea and preserve. The speaker continued in the some spirit of concession and apology, and occluded. The King hes sedated us to submit to your deliberation the folkw p t pejo* of law, to take rank, after it shall be e 6 among the articles of the Constitutional Charter, as mine O. PIOJICT or LAW. A single article to replace article 93 of the Chatter. " The nomination of the members of the Cheesier of Peers belongs to the King. " Their number is unlimited. " The dignity of a Peer is to be conferred for life. " It is Dot transmissible by hereditary deacon. " All dispositions to the contrary are and shall be abin gated. " The present article may be modified hereeher. " Nevertheless, no propositioa fee that purpose shall Is submitted for examination to ow kgialstese, unless the preceding legislature shall have is fee thus purples." POLAND. WAssAw, Aug. 17.—Yesterday and the day before were days of horror. The patriotic dub, long irritated against the established authorities, and dissatisfied at not seeing General Jankowsky condemned to death, at length determined en 0 . 11 . 1 1.. 1.. e, .....- - . _.- 6 ; •••••• -"*" •-• r. . . . . • leer s h li a, of the Sor b me& atiaa ana Item which the sa me c hat, generally spread and believed, that there is a plot to d e b was not to extend any par. whether It was expedient that poison t h e peop l e ,or coocurrence. in titan • by th e phy s i c i ans . In P est le stances dace the y vewsikadeu of July 100 7 th * extended to Ireland P. . caused to hh , ...I f d 1 .3 and Oka the people are pretty well cured of this we d po w.' h o ds 's ' '' . m a &Mary law ,. The 4ag t... 1 Seism to be inteede— wou ld notion; but it is very prevalent in the country, and of 1831 ought, tbstelbse. (es see wind ispute,) t o a mn Woe. totirme RI examined'. is thaw three points—the mode in h. Id that this was a question al proves dangerous. It is reported that the country t t ,._,_ _ ber, and . • l o t lortalice• He was um" iii of Sumeg has required of the country of Pestb, to stemethie tat p ot " a tne hered i vy the eteareatr which il t.. 1 .. be officially informed how it happened, that the Th. pr a li n e th ew at some l engt h, ', kyle . That the why was hereditary was, he said, undisputed, e 2"Pe state c eVi i rela -r ner was ; im . litei . -- v . blood of citizens was shed on the 17th of July, the asasdattisa and policy of the government of F en n , rl ed the proposition before then, when there was a tumult there.—Allgenteine Zei- as the law and common consent had made it indisp utehh ,, adopted ism" system Se Visa tang, Aug. 22. cold be doing a great deal of This monarchy, however, was tempered by a participaviot, lan was before the house, it PARIS PAPERS. in the sovereign power of the two Chambers. The res , er i , able funetioos, " the conditions of the existence" of it o a satisfactory conclusion on PA R 111, SATURDAY. —The Chamber of De- three estates, became the next qnestion. " Coned u i its the previous question as an , durability and • principle of advancement ; and each of m e puttee on Thursday assembled for the purpose of monarchy, he proceeded, " aeries within it a printeip".er'n? two lerdalative estates receives one of these minciples in trust it the introduction of poor laws proceeding to the periodical election of the Pre- from ihe constitution. To ensure durability is the chose. he employment of the poor of sidents and Secretaries of the Standing Com- o from seeking labour in other the second t hence the essentia distieetion in their origin mittees. On the last occasion Ministerial deputies tirade duty of the first—advancement (inobilitel belong. t o and compos ition. The f organic condition of each of th ese the objection of the difficulty were almost invariably chosen, but yesterday, of m carry poor laws into opera. the oine committees, seven elected members of the Chambers will be eon °linable to their minion : far from not applicable to large cities or reasoning with regard to them upon principles of• opposition, and two only (the 4th and 7th) nomi- to agricultural di.tricts. Theanalogy, he evidence of Doctors .. noted friends to the administration. The Opposition we ought to reason upon a principle of opposition. Thus, ba„ed a•t somerALth ot her he poor laws. Leland diffired journals speak of this with great triumph, as afford- if Im i ta n let ia election be tliele"atal inst itution Pattt of t i he l e one , arotal there were very few absentees ing a proof that M. feeler has lost ground in the esti- creation Prea t id e en p t m tra - all the rental of Ireland was • motion of the Chamber since the commencement of an elective peerage , which would in fact , he gt sal h t d h , e he the° .2. I absenteeism. Much of the :mated in the disfranchisement t , the session, while La France Nouvelle (the they more nor less than a second Chamber of Deputies -.a h e s u mmi ng A ct . Th ousan d. o rgan o f Mi n i sters ) mere l y l aments that the mem- mixed Chamber, par t e l ecte d, part create d, h e proved to be i their the legislature which homes on account of h ers o f t h e majority considered the affair as too as li.tie lik e ly t o act b ene fi c i a ll y . H e next obviated the ob. in jection that might be raised upon the supp os i t i on of an a b use on secure or unimportant, and neglected to attend the of this power by the Crown. P u bli c o pi n i on , h e sa i d , would or those outcasts in A u str a li a session, while the members of the Opposition, on be always a sufficient guarantee against such abuse; and with reference to the extravagant exercise of this power In to hon. and learned gentleman ion of the miseries which per- the contrary, mustered in full force. The fol- -1827 and downwards, the disastrous result of such practices amidst loud cheering. lowing is the list of the new presidents and secre- was he said, the best security against their repetition. lea minute inquiry, and the • find out that any one tenant tams . : Continuity. President. " The revolution bad not merely effected all that was just— of the Subletting Act. That Secretary. It had rendered impossible whatever was unjust." Aft er a ire of the evils attributed to it. Ist General Lafayette M. Salverte few words more, warning the Chamber that there were diffi. an of a compulsory assessment 2tl Baron de Brigade hi. Gillen collies on both sides, but that those on the side of an elective owns, he would not object to 3 d 31 . Rerenger hi. Vaiout Cha m b er scented greatly to preponderate, he concluded thh it if that was ntablished there t h NI. Duchatel M. Doges Montbel head of in q uiry by saying, " I propose, gentlemen, th at , for all the poor would ' finch 5.h 31. D u po nt d e l'Rure NI. Felix Re a l the nomi nation o f the Pens of France shall belong to the towns. He objected to be 6th Count Delaborde M. de Tracy King." the proposition was not de- 7th M. Adler M. Camille Perky He commented his second head of inquiry by frankly pes in Ireland until he was sa- Bth Ai. Bignon M. Ganneron stating, that but for the prodigal use of the power of creat. istablished. If the honourable Bth M. Witt 111. Arago. u am estion t r at l a im ad iting that power, which log Peers, made during the latter years since the restoration, ber, it would have the most ample The meeting of Deputies which holds its sit. therewou er the question of prin. tof an opinion on the sub- tinge at Lointier's, and which now amounts to ough t to wi ld be thr C c ! . ciples there lurked also a question of persons—question s and. He would support the 112 members, has classed itself into the following whi c h ought by no means to be confounded by a legis. Mr. Lacier, Lend m orpeth, seven committees, namely. for Justice and Legis- later. " Unbalanced power," he said,. " was despotism ; r John Burke, M r . Minore lotion, Worship and Public Instruction, the Fi- and such unbalanced powe r a Ch am b er o f P eers , i nac. erosible to change or influenc e by an i ncrease o f i ts mem . • Mullen , . Mr. John Smith, nances and Customs, Public Works and Cer om- ttan, Mr. D. Brow ne hers, must always constitute." Th e p o w er o f moderatin g ae Gallery was clea re d for a 31r. merce, Foreign Affairs, War and the Marine. A the Chamber of Peers by new creations he held to b e special committee has also been formed for the equivalent to the power of dissolving the . other Chem. 51 consideration of all proposals made to the Chamber Chamber a Deputies, the king's power of leer; and to the . 64 on the important question of the Peerage, whether creating new peers must give • vast accession of influence.— After expatiating for some time upon these topics of argu. era .. --12 by the Government, or by any individual Deputy. went in favour of his proposition, the President closed his Ay were then disposed of ; and . past Two o'Clock. This committee is composed of Gen. Lafayette, second head by the formal motion—" I propose that the numbermains, heot the peers of France be unlimited." There re. TELLIGENCE. Gen. Lsmarque, and Messrs. Odillon Barrot, continued, the question of the hereditary su Mauguin, Merilhou, 'raillandier, Comte, Dubois go" of the peerage . 110. --- This is the question to which apps. ERS, THIS DAY. Ayme, di Tracy, and Cormenin. Its !Rheum have reedy the Legislature has more especially directed the atten. already commenced.—C'ourrier Frnncais. tion of the Session of 1831. Thi s i s t h e quest i on w hi ch has ) 1)11 Jaxrtao, Jeme 22. CIA L. Yesterda y , in s p it e of an eloquent appeal of M. :LIT a t o ma ce les u v pied all minds. It i s a t this point that we wo u ld Barthelem editor of the Nemesis he was con- of the consider at i ons a d verte d to at the eon. the duty which the Constit u . y , , ornament of this expesitioal ; here it is that a con st i tut i ona l it, your General Legislative demned to the minimum of the law—one month' s t h eory i s s hi pwrec k e d upon c i rcu mstance.—here legislation is engaged with policy, and the future welfare of the ction of a permanent Regency, imprisonment, and 200 francs fine, for publishing em it ntry,iperhaps„ with its present opinions. Beyond doubt, s during the minority of Don a paper without giving the security required by law , the question of the hereditary succession a the Letters which we have received from Madrid, of peerage were to be decided today by the logical come. in the law on this subject, the 18th current, announce that extremely fre- quences of the theory of limited monarchy, by die authority controvertible reasoning woad anent communications are made between the Cabi- of experience, a series of in tbsolute majority cf votes was • . .. . nets of Lisbon and madrid. i ntent i ons o f the • gutsbed writers on Government, with those whose memory Spanish Government are announced to march some this tribune still religiously preserves —that an hereditary corps of troops near the frontiers of Portugal.— succession contains in it the principle of conservation, that it Quotidienne. is the most solid support of t h e throne, and that it involvesa principle of independence which Is the beat guarantee for e. Thor is favonr of hereditary su ; cape. ccession In spite of the contradictions of the official jour- lib 8, lash—Signed by the Pre. nals respecting Marshal Macdonald, it is true that neon rty is for e here y in ditary succession; foreign examples,and oar July 9, inclusive, is filled with he has quitted the Howl of the Chancellery, and own, in a contrary sense, during forty years, render their tee tummy. But, beside that theoretic policy, which, from the hes offered his resignation.— Costrrier Francais. 1, decrees, to of its cabinet, contemplates what suits the society that IS—THIS DAY. Baron Andre, diplomatic agent of France at the ought lobe in every free state, is to be found a practical paha, , Court of Vienna, arrived yesterday at Paris. He which regards carefully that which suits the society that U. D e 41 t r t ee r , ilittsued, this J ul ''' . was sent as Extraordinary Courier to Paris by our A government does not march across the country like s el. ' me ' - 'y" la p ass ' a Ambassador at Vienna.—Courrier Francais. blind abstraaioa, which considers nothing in its peewit. It upon vessels from ports in is thus, indeed, proceeds the absolutism o f revolution with. I situated in and being to Tice official Journal of the Hague, the Slants- out justice, and of despots without light s . A w i se govern . Courant, contains in its number of the 19th of this m e a t observes the facts which confront it—it consults t h em arth latitude; and of four month, an order in date of the 16th, from which a —it reconciles itself to thens—and i n place of immolating ores South of that latitude. in realities to principles , or principles to realities, it ex e r t s i t . contingent of 4000 men of the militia, taken self to mingle them together by a pp rox i mat i on . O ne real i ty , I to land at Cadiz, unless years ich must be countersigned the 1827, 1828, 1829, and 1830, are called then, is munifest to us all at present, that is the universal or Vice-Consul, at or nea r under the flags ; the conditions of the order repugnance to the hereditary succession of the peera ge . J u s t stating that they are destined to complete the aqua- or unjust, rational or irrational, it exists, it p resses u p on or , mbarkation. it will be satisfied. An opinion has been pronounced—an drone of the army ; a second order moves the i • b • t wittel „ teem' to be either overlooked tt de. l'he most excellent Senate op own y .ar eo y communal guards of the year 1831. The In - spilled. when, in other respects, it proposes no violation ofjus. another proof of its zeal, dependant, Journal of Brussels, in announcing nee. It is such an opinion as when it relates to the affairsel by offering, with all its th 11r1 Datil ISM of thn rintph, f:...............• government. alveat a_ nerlsana. imnemeil...l. ...........A. . ........ . _ POOS LAWS IX ISELAWb. Mr. SADLER rem to bring forward the motion of which he had liven notice, respecting the introduction of poor laws into Ireland. He (Mr. Sadler) confessed he was em. barrassed by the magnitude and importance of the subject with which he had to deal. On the present occasion be would not urge any arguments of his own, but rely upon the authority of the greatest men that ever existed in this country. The honourable gentleman then quoted Locke. Sir Matthew Hale, and Mr. Justice Blackstone, to prove that these great men maintained the right of the poor to a provision, and retened to the authority of both Grecian and Roman history, in proof that, at all times, and in all ages, this right was acknowledged. The Ho nourable Gentleman observed that, a great authority bad said, a decent prevision for the poor was the foundation of civil society. The poor of Ireland were outlawed front civil society. He asked them to look at the evidence given be fore the Comniittees of that House respecting the distress of Ireland, and also to the writers on Ireland, even so far back as the time of Spencer and Sir ll'. Petty. Upon whom does the scarcity that takes place in Ireland fall ? Upon brutes, think you? No, but on the pour peasants of that ill n.tetl country. The great misery that afflicted Ireland was absenteeism. (Hear, hear.) One of the greatest nuisances under which that country laboured was high rents, which had its origin in absenteeism. The '• clearing of " estates he looked upon with abhorrence, as the poor wretches were cast upon the world without a home or habitation to fly to. The hon.' gentleman said, that the many afflictions in the shape of plagues and epidemics, which frequently affected Ireland, was owing to an insufficincy of food. He para. cularly pointed at the epidemic that raged in that country in 1817, when 1,500,000 persons were labouring under the resets of fever. The evidence of the medical men on this subject was, that this epidemic was the result of despondency. He called upon the House to adopt a measure that would pre vent a recurrence of those dreadful calamities : (hear, hear.) The hon. member went into a calculation to show that the length of lite in Ireland, as compared with the longevity in England, was lamentably deficient, owing nut to the nature of the soil cr climate, but front the state of exhaustion to which the poor were reduced, owing to a want of the proper necessaths of life. He was prepared to prove that the climate el Ireland was as favourable to longevity as that of England. tMe of the lamentable effects of the mate of pauperism in Ireland was, that it led to lunacy and idiutcy. In the time of Sir William Petty, the miseries of Ireland were attributed to the paucity of the population. Now the political economists attribute this distress to the increase of the population of that country. At the very moment who' wretelti.dr.ess and misery existed in Ireland, ar.d when collectives were being made for the poor of the country, she frequently exported large portions of corn and cattle. Last year, for inst. ncr, 18.600,101 basin's of surplus corn were exputted bum Itelar.el, besides cattle: (hear, hear.) The mental of Ireland was rated at 12,000,0001. the greater pats ! tion of tins was &awn from t h e country, and never want back (hear.) The great objection to the introduction of poor Laws into Ireland was that the country was so poor that putouts of sufficient Veviiet ability could sot be found to put the machinery into operation ; but when the poor laws were first established in Endand, the state of that country was very similar to the present state of Ireland. He contended that there was sufficient machinery in Ireland to make the pour laws operate smoothly ; but, if there was not, he thought even that would be an argument in favour of the in uoduction of the poor laws, because it would bring home' many of those persons who at present were drawing the pre duce of the land away, without giving any thing back in return. h would be foe the advantage of the English labourer that poor laws should be introduced into Ireland, because the natural consequence of their introduction would be to keep the Irish poor at home. In 1771, the Irish House of Commons passed a resolution unanimously, declar hog that it was advisable to adopt a system of laws for the provision of the real poor of Ireland. He called on them to pass a law for the provision of the Irish poor, and the people of Ireland, who were a grateful and kind people, would be ever thankful fur so great a booth After some further uto nervations, the hon. member concluded moving a resole. rise tithe effect, that it was espedientaM necessary to make a legal provision for the poor of Ireland. Mr. STK ICK L A ND seconded the resolution. Colonel TOIIKIINS thanked the liiitOurab le member for his enlightened advocacy of an extension of a system ot poor laws into Ireland. ROBINSONMr. begged to call the attention of the house PARIS PAPERS. PARIS, SATURDAT.—The Chamber of De puties on Thursday assembled for the purpose of , proceeding to the periodical election of the Pre sidents and Secretaries of the Standing Com mittees. On the last occasion Ministerial deputies were almost invariably chosen, but yesterday, of the nine committees, seven elected members of the opposition, and two only (the 4th and 7th) nomi nated friends to the administration. The Opposition journals spenk of this with great triumph, as afford ing a proof that M. l'erier has lost ground in the esti mation of the Chamber since the commencement of the session, %bile La France Nouvelle (the organ of Ministers) merely laments that the mem bers of the majority considered the affair as too secure or unimportant, and neglected to attend the session, while the members of the Opposition, on the contrary, mustered in full force. The fol lowing is the list of the new presidents and secre taries : Committee. President. Secretary. let General Lafayette M. Salverte 2d Baron de Brigade 31. Gillen 3d 31. Berenger 31. Vatout th 31. Duebetel Al. Dugas Montbel 5.h 31. Dupont de Fgure M. Yelix Real 6th Count Dclaborde M. de Tracy 7th U. Adler M. Camille Perky Bth Al. Bignon M. Oanneron Bth M. 'matte Al. drag°. The meeting of Deputies which holds its sit tings at Lointier's, and which now amounts to .. _ 112 members, has classed itself into the following seven committees, namely, for Justice and Legis lation, Worship and Public Instruction, the Fi nances and Customs, Public Works and Com merce, Foreign Affairs, War and the Marine. A special committee has also been formed for the consideration of all proposals made to the Chamber on the important question of the Peerage, whether by the Government, or by any individual Deputy. This committee is composed of Gen. Lafayette, Gen. Lsmarque, and Messrs. Odillon Barrot, Maugnin, Merilhou, Taillandier, Comte, Dubois Arne, de Tracy, and Cormenin. Its labours have already commenced.—Courrier Frnncais. Yesterday, in spite of an eloquent appeal of M. Barthelemy, editor of the Nemesis, he was con-1 idemned to the minimum of the law—one month's imprisonment, and 200 francs fine, for publishing a paper without giving the security required by law. Letters which we have received from Madrid, of the 18th current, announce that extremely fre quent communications are made between the Cabi nets of Lisbon and Madrid. Intentions of the Spanish Government are announced to march some corps of troops near the frontiers of Portugal.— Quotidienne. In spite of the contradiction 3 of the official jour nals respecting Marshal Macdonald, it is true that he has quitted the Howl of the Chancellery, and hes offered his resignation.— Courrier Francais. Baron And* diplomatic agent of France at the Cuurt of Vienna, arrived yesterday at Paris. He was sent as Extraordinary Courier to Paris by our Ambassador at Vienna.—Courrier Francais. The official Journal of the Hague, the Staats- Courant, contains in its number of the 19th of this month, an order in date of the 16th, from which a contingent of 4000 men of the militia, taken in the years 1827, 1828, 1829, and 1830, are called under the flags; the conditions of the order stating that they are destined to complete the squa drons of the army ; a second order moves the communal guards of the year 1831. The In dependant, Journal of Brussels, in announcing these measures of the Dutch Government, adds : " These orders make it clear that King William is not advised to abandon his party, and will cause our Minister of War to feel the neces sity and urgency of putting our army upon a com plete footing of war. What has passed will serve lus for a lesson, and ought to put us on our guard not to be surprised a second time. Others ise, we should be unworthy to be counted in the rank of free end independent nations." The Prince of Orange has returned to the Hague. Prince Fre deric retakes the general command of the army, of which the general quarter is established at the Hague. Belgium has not yet obtained a new ar mistice regularly of Holland. The negociations for the conclusion of a definitive peace between these two states, are then still but in train.—Na atonal. CHAMBER OF DEPUTIES. PRESENTATION Or THE PROJECT or • LAW ox TUE TEZMAGE....-ZYPOSITION OF MOTIV/A. The President of the Council ascended the tri bune, and addressed the Chamber. He began by reminding the Chamber that he was discharging an appointed duty by submitting to the two bodies of the legislature the 23d article of the charter ; alluded to the long time during which public atten tion had been directed to the subject; exhorted members to divest their minds of prejudices, and to discharge themselves of all pledges or opinions adopted before their entering the Chamber, con trary to a paramount reason of state, whether such pledges and opinions might be persona, or the effect of preferring some particular system. The advisers of the crown, he said, would offer their 'share of devotion to the public good; or, rather, they would follow the example se t by t h e great body of the Chambers. Alter proceeding in the same style of admonition for some time, be said : Gentlemen, these observations were indispensable for as above all, because we have it at bean to demonstrate that we are ever willing to give a faithful esplanade:: of our mea sure:, when any would venture to allege against them that they are ought but concessions to the interests of the coun try. The Itld article of the charter is cooceived in these terms : ' The nomination of the pens of France belongs to theldsg. ' He has the power to vary the dignities—loonier them fnr life, oe to reader them hereditary.' The slaty-eighth snide sedates that the 294 article be subedited to a new examination is the semis@ of 1831 -- This ezantinetion suggests three topics of invenipdoso-• Shell the peen be housed by the King, or by the deemed body ? Shall their number be limited re unlimited ? Shan the_peenge be bandied, se foe4r es, ol ? Before entering upon this in gentlemen, let us be eare fi ttliardnieree its peeper 1 is. They see mad by the Ash which submits to your coosideraties the 21111 on mei settling more • for m to ell babies, the conethotion bee doensioid. The Clamber et Peen oxide by the commodes t he Madams, he attributes. me Mood by twelve other &dela et tbe shorter—of that chaser width the Chamber et Peers Midi bee voted as one the dine 11 1‘1