Star. — London, England, 1808-06-24 00:00:00

wa s decidedly against the mode of proceeding now e rsed by the Minister, which he thought not en rtireirfree from the imputation of duplicity ; and it rem inded him of what course was taken in the case o {l ord Melville , on which the sense of the majority of t h e House was reversed after a great many gentle men had gone out of town. M r . H. BROWNE suppported the motion of the chancellor of the Exchequer. Si! T. TURTON was most decidedly, and spoke most warmly, in favour of the claims of Mr. Palmer, d o o was, in his opinion, a meritorious individual, w h o se merits had been recognized repeatedly by a ma jority of the House of Commons against the Mi stecs, whom he thought used their weight unfairly iD o pposing Mr. Palmer. He maintained that the tal was put up in such a manner as that it must be ogled, for the Lords were forced to come to a ;o cclusion on it ; and he did not hesitate to say, that ibioras intended by Ministers when they sent up this Bill for the purpose of procuring its rejection. Now, if t h ere ever was a time in which the House should stand ugh in the world, it is the present ; and the way to accomplish that was - not to use the arm of power against an individual, for mankind generally took ^he par r of an individual opposed by Government • and L his is the case of an individual , in which the House c f Commons have voted to him a sum of money.— But he had seen Ministers within a few days use their icauence in support of measures which none concerned i„, t 3 o ecn could defend, but covering themselves by a majority. Here you act in such a manner as that a ;or ritorious individual, who does not obtain grants tu t reversions for his Relations, but what his service :wits, cannot have what you are indebted to him, ca d what you have acknowledged you owe him ; t o t if you do not do him justice in this case, it may k said that the bond of a swindler, which may be railable at some time or other perhaps, will be eli- Ole in preference to a vote of the House of Corn eons, which may be dishonoured at the recommen dation of the House of Commons ; but the House il'ould never be afraid to abide by its rest elution, when banded upon justice, for Bat justitia, mat c&um. Mr. JOHNSTONE defended the conduct of Mi. sisters on the present occasion, and entered into an historical detail .of the facts of the case. He thought his Right Hon. Friend (the Chancellor of the Exche quer) was utterly.incapable of doing that which was gnputed to him on this occasion ; but he pursued th:it which the regard he had for the decision of the House st Lords dictated. . ' Mr. TIE RNEY thought that more unworthy con duct in a Minister was never exhibited in the House lof Commons than that manifested in the present in dance. The Minister said, on the first occasion when phis subject was brought forward, that he should do no more than speak against it ; but w' he not now doing more ? This was a private Bill, aed generally !peaking, private Bills were brought in by private in dividuals. Here a Bill was brought in for a private individual against the will of that individual ; so that kwas a Bill in the name of an individual against his interest. But pride was at the bottom of all ,his, for the Chancellor of the Exchequer had been five times defeateelby a majority of the House of Commons, and he was the only Chancellor of the Exchewer who tier experienced such a defeat upon questions of Fi ance. They .generally lard the prudence to see how tie wind blew, but the present Chancellor of the Ex &quer retained in this case, nothing of the office hot itpride, and this present measure was by way of Irrtage upon the House for voting against isto the right of the Lords to interfere in Bills of Cskind, all he could say was, that whatever the gh.. of the Loreh; s hay be, the Honsc of Commons ko not allow the Lords to interfere in matters of ti's ascription ; so in the Army and Navy Bills every • Tar; and those who lament encroachment upon We Lords, had so to lament every year. So it was in the case of Maynooth College, which the Lords could not touch in the Appropriation Act without overturning the supplies of the year ; so it was in the MT of Messrs. Chambers and Coire, &c. ; again in thecase of Lord Nelsen, in which the Lords had r 0 twice left between agreeing to the measure :iad step ezg the supplies of the year. Besides, if this is to be aquestion, whether the Lords will stop the supplies, )tithe Lords be answerable for the consequences.— Illy is the House of Commons to give up its privi.. Itgeout ef a bug-bear dread of the Lords ? Besides, t!tis course of proceeding proposed by the Minister csntrary to the practice of the last century ;--- tthrl he could not account for it unless it was from the resentment of the Minister, who had provoked cether combat, in , vhich he lu.ped he would be de feated; for evert/ Meniln ought to think this an un woolly attack on the House of Commons, and an at tack on the honour of those who had voted on this oc o3:on, as Gentlemen. Mr. BANKES saw ino reason why the House of Lords should not judge for themselves as well as the House of Commons, on the spirit of a contract ; and which the House of I.ords were better calculated o "111 the Cot:micas, inasmuch as their Lordships 7culd examine witnesses at their bar upon oath. H. was ag:tirts; the claims of Mr. Palmer altogether in this cast. Mr. POYSON BY contended, that the present was ncta question of interpretation of contract, but a ques tidal of fact, ix hich had been dettermieed by a decision cithisHouse. Tne Right Hon. Gentleman, in contempt • f that grave decision come to upon five distinct votes, :six' sought be tin? Bill which he this night moved for, set it a!ide. He was much surprised at the lan- Page of the I lon. Gentleman who spoke last. It was the taut time he had heard it argued, that to effectu ate any object which this House might have in view, the surest way would be not to do any thing displeas thg to the I louse of Lords. He would ask any Gentle- Ilan conversant with the history of Parliament, whe ther it was not the undoubted privilege of this House tote peremptory in money matters ? If they were not, the public would lose, by means of their Representa tives; one of their greatest constitutional privileges, ) (Hear, h•ar .I—What was the present case ? why this: the Commons had granted a sum of money and in order to effectuate their object, the Right Ho murable Gentleman introduces a Bill which goes to defeat that object. This . House then ;mist be in a! strange hornoUr indeed if they adopted the. Bill, be. quse it might enable the other House to cloceat their '-'wll object. If the House was satisfied Let. their 7 ote was wrong, why then the most proper and tansy way would be to'rescind that vote it would better become the dignity and Character of ment. The Right Hon. Gentleman had wit adduc.id any proofs to invalidate the grant. It would requ;re stronger reasons than he had brought forward, to in duce the House to defeat its own object in such a mean, shabby, and evasive manner.—( Hear ! hear ! ) But then it had been said that this House could not do right without the concurrence of the House of Lords. This was a most unconstitutional mode of rea soning. Who gave them that privilege? He had never before heard they possessed it. If the), did, it was an assumed right. Sure he was, that if it was once ad mitted that the House of Lords had the undoubted privilege of interfering with the public purse, why then the Representatives of the people not only gave up their own privileges, but they also gave up the privileges of the people.—( Hear ! Hear!) Did riot the Right Hon. Gentleman, he would ask, propose this very measure for the purpose of defeating the object of this House ? A great deal had been said about precedents. He could take upon himself to deckre, that no such measure as the present had passed since the Revolution A measure which was not only dangerous to the privileges of Parliament, but also to the privileges of the People. Mr. ROSE could state more instances than one in point. The object of the Bill was to give the Lords an opportunity of judging of the merits of Mr. Palmer'•s claims. The majority of the grants which had been made to individuals, were by separate bills, and not by a clause in the Appropriation Act. As proof, the Right Hon. Gentleman noticed the cases of Dr. Smith; Mr. Phillips, Mr. Stevens, &c. He could not help adverting io ele claims of Mr. Palmer, and again declaring, that he had forfeited all title to remuneration, by his conduct when in office. Mr. FULLER, with considerable warmth, de clared that this House were the proper guardians of the Public Purse ; nor should the House of Lords, so long as he had a vote, interfere with their property. He was sorry to see the Honourable Gentleman (Mr. Bankes) so captious and so fretful when his own Bill was thrown out of the other House ; but he was more S.), when he saw him lend his countenance to such a Bill as Cie present, entrenching upon the dearest pri vileges of the Constitution—( Hear ! hear ! )—lt re minded him of a beautiful passage in Shakspeare, where--.' His quidditles and cranks mantled like a standing pool ;" and where it is mid-4 , lam Sir Oracle! Let no dog bark !"—(A laugh.)—The Ho nourable Gentlepian contended that the House were bound to insist upon their privileges, and not suffer them to be invaded. Sir FRANCIS BURDETT conceived the merits of Mr. Palmer would not be overpaid if his Claims were acceded to. It was v r duty incumbent on the House to support the five decisions which they had come to in much fuller Houses than the present. The Honourable Baronet proceeded to examine the Re port of the Ccmmittee on the Claims, and contended that from that Report it was evident Mr. Palmer's Claims were founded in justice. Mr. BURTON supported the measure. Mr. WHITBREAD opposed it in a speech of considerable length. Mr. CANNING urged the necessity of making a separate Bill, like that suggested by his Right Hon. Friend. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER recapitulated his arguments in a speech ofsomelength. The House then divided—For le..tve to bring in the separate Bill IS(—Against it 6:3—Majotity in favour of Ministers 129. Adjourned at half past four o'clock this morning. THE EVENING STAR. LONDON. FRIDAY, JUNE 2t. Sr. JOHN TILE BA pTts . r.—HolPay the Stock Exchange. PRICE OF STOCKS YESTERDAY. 3 per C. Red Atm. 6/it 67 Imp. Aim. 7; 11-15ths 3 per Cent. Covs. shut Elieheti. Bills, 7s. 2s. ss. pre. 4 per Cent. S3ll (Minium, 2 11 1 It prem. 5 per Cent. Navy shut English Tickets, 211. 2s. g Ann. Ixa 9-1614 I Consols for ace. 691 681 69 India Bonds par a Is. dis. This morning arrived a mail from the Leeward lilai,ds t brought to Falmcuth by the Isabella packet in 4'.5 days from Tortola. By this conveyance the unpleasant intelligence has been received of the lossof his Majesty's frigate ASTREA, on the Hamegada rocks on the 24th ultimo, after convoying the Prince Ernest packet up the Windward Passage—we are happy to add that the whole of the crew were saved except three men. Mails have also arrived this day from New York and Halifax, brought to Falmouth by the PRINCESS MARI - Packet, in 21 days from Halifax. The ParscEss MARY brings accounts that his Ma jesty's brig OBSERVATEUR, of 18 guns, had arrived at Halifax before she sailed, with information that six ail of French men of war had-arrived at St. Au gustine, in Florida, and had landed between four and five thousand men. Some of the accounts that have reached Town from Falmouth, state, that the above ships are the Rochefort squadron. We cannot yet ascertain the fact, as the letters by the Mail will not be delivered from the Post office till to-morrow. This packet, however, can hardly have brought any thing not known before. The intelligence from Halif ,x, given in the STAR of Wednesday, came by a vessel v:hinh sailed t day later than the PRINCESS mm t y.—The rumou► of the landing of the French troops in the Florida gains little credit in the City. We have this morning received a letter from Aber deen, of the date of Monday last, which contains the following paragraph : An Officer, who had just latided ht Peterhead, from Russia, arrived here yesterday, and set off for London in a chaise and four. The intelligence he brings has not transpired."—We shall not trouble our Readers with even a single conjecture respecting the above fact. If the Gentleman has travelled as fast as the Mail, something may be expeoed to transpire soon, if his mission relates tctany thing of a public nature. FOREIGN JOURNALS. Another vessel has arrived from Holland with let ters and journals to the 19th instant. The prival.: , letters state, that the embargo is about to be more rigidly enforced in consequence of the discovery made by the Dutch Government, that the ships which had gone out, bonded for friendly ports, had actually - sailed for England. Several vessels have been forfei-e1 upon this discovery, and a general suspicion seems to prevail as to all vessels about to sail. Through the prevalence of this suspicion, two vessels on the point of sailing were stopped, at the moment the above ves sel was coming away. The contents of the printed papers are interesting [see preceding columns], but the following is the most important article which they present : MADRID, JUNE S. This day was published, in the name of his Ma jesty the Emperor of France, &c. a proclamation to the Spanish Nation. The following is a translation of the more important passages : Spaniards ! After a long lingering disease, your nation sunk into decay. I have seen your sufferings; lAI ill relieve them. Your 'greatness makes a part of mine. Your Princes have ceded to me all their rights to the Spanish Crown. I will not reign over your provinces, but I will acquire an eternal right to the love and gratitude of your posterity. Your monar chy is old—it must be renovated, that you'may enjoy the blessings of a renovation which shall not be pur chased by civil war or desolation. Spaniards I I have convened a general assembly of the deputies of. your provinces and towns, that I may know your desires and wants. I shall lay down my rights, and place your illustrious Crown upon the head of one who resembles me ; securing you a Constitution, which will unite the salutary power of the Sovereign with the liberties and rights of the Spanish nation. It is my will, that my memory' shall be blessed by your latest posterity, and that they shall say—he was the restorer of our country." " Given at Bayonne, Aelff 25, 1808." Private accounts received yesterday mention a fact which, if true, belies the professions of consideration and humanity expressed in the above Proclamation. They state that the Marquis de Hunn, a determined enemy of French influence, has, with the whole of his family and faithful domestics, been put to death by a party of French soldiers ; • who, in compliance ' with the orders they had received, forced their way into the house of the Marquis, in the dead of the night, and, horrible to relate, murdered in cold blood every person they discovered, amounting to upwards of thirty. We know not how to give credit to such a diabolical transaction : it is out of the usual line ,of State cruelty, which commonly abuses some form ci justice to destroy its devoted victims. CORK, JUNE 17. The embarkation of the troops at Monkstown to form the armament collecting at this port concluded this day, by the transports receiving the 9th and 71st Regiments. The troops which had previously em barked were the sth, 38th, 40th, 60th Rifle Battalion, and 91st Highlanders. The whole constitute as fine a brigade as any in his Majesty's service. The highest discipline and regularity was observed during the em barkation, and we have not heard of the occurrence of any accident. Sir ARTHUR WELLESLEY had not arrived in Dublin late on n'ednesday evening, and we believe it is not certain that he will sail from this port with the Expe dition. Some of our fellow-journalists strangelymisrepre sented Lord StoNtouTit's Speech on the Catholic Question. Although we differ from his Lordship on this subject, we respect his opinion, becative we know hint to be consistent and sincere.—His expression was —" Persecution always defeats its own purposes, and the Church of England has been always distinguished by candour and liberality." The Reporter, on the contrary, made him say, that " the Church of Eng land could not exist without persecution."—We be lieve there are few persons acquainted with the Noble Lord's principles, who would suspect him of such sentiments, but we think we cannot too strongly, or too extensively, spread the antidote to the mis chievous poison of misrepresentation. In consequence of the resignation of STEPHEN LUMINOTON, Esq. for Great Yarmouth, WIL SON, Esq. is canvassing that town, and has met with great encouragement. The election commences to- MOITOW, and it is expected there will be no opposition. Wednesday a Court of Directors was held at the East India House, when thc.following Officers were sworn into the command of their respective ships, viz. Captain T. loxes, Walthamstow ; Captain H. Huctits, Tot tenham ; for Madras and Benzal.—Captain J. NORM4ND, De vaynes, for Bombay. Court adjourned at six o'clock till Wednesday next. Gut LOH t.r..—Yesterday, Mary Code was charged with breaking into (with two other females), a dwel ling-house, and stealing wearing apparel to the amount of 301. The prisoner was the cher amie of a convict lately sent off to Botany Bay. The officer who cnxmined Cooke's apartment, found a number of pick-lock keys, and other implements for house breaking; but no part of the stolen property, nor any thing that could lead to a discovery where it was deposited. The prisoner in defence declared she did not knt - ,w the use of the implements found, and that they belonged to her late companion.— The whole of the evidence was circumstantial, which Lhe Magistrate said did not warrant him in commit ting her ; he, therefore, after admonishing her to al ttr her courit, e.s life, discharged her. - NAUTICAL INTELLIGENCE. FALMOUTH, JUNE 21. Arrived his Majesty's ship STATIRA, of 38 guns, from Plymouth, to wait the arrival of a Spanish Gen tleman from London, for Spain ; the PEGGY schoo ner, Srp , Ess, from Portsmouth, to join convoy r the Brazils ; th . Thomas and Mary, TRIVET, fr. m Plymouth, for Gibraltar and Malta ; the Commerce, COLE from Plymouth, for Newfoundland r the No-„, Way, TOOLE, from Dublin ; the Unanimity, um- AIMS, from Waterford ; the Veneritta,JOUßTlN, from Dublin, all for London ; the Lady Arabella packet, PORTEOUS, with mails from the Leeward Islands, days from Tortola ; and the Princess Mary packet, POCOCK, with mails from New York and Halifax, 21 days from the latter.—Wind var able. TORBAY, JUNE 22. Put back to this port, the n.v.foundland and Que. bec fleets, by contrary winds.--.Nind W S.W. PORTSMOUTH, JUNE 9.3. Arrived his Majesty's ships CROCODILE and Gas n. WK, from Guerusey.—llis Majesty's ship LITTLZ BELT is appointed convoy for the Coast of Africa.— Several sail of transports are in sight from the Downs. Wind S. E. YARMOUTH, JUNE gs. Arrived a cutter, which has landed dispatches, said from Gottenburgh. Arrived the Bittnzart and ACUTE gun brigs ; the STATELY has a blue peter hi , *o• • and will sail this afternoon. Remain the P. u_ - Stately, Archer, Skylark.—Wind S.E. DEAL, JUNE 23. Saile.4 this morning his Majesty's sliips CEnBELys and DRAKE, for Sheerness.—Wind S. W. PHILADELPHIA, APRIL 22. Arrived the ship Richmond, Cap* !TA an. from Vera Cruz. On the 6th instant fell i:1 with a boat having on board the Sailing Captain, two Mid shipmen, and eighteen men, belonging to his Britan nic Majesty's sloop of war Munos, Captain Diler', which was cast away on the 24th ult. going into h nia Bay ; supplied them with provisions sufficient to carry them to New Providence, whither they were bound. FROM LLOYD'S LIST. GRAVESZND, JUNE 23.—Passed by the Ruby, from Berbice ; Amelia, Craige, from Demerara; Sisters, Smith; and the Sisters, Peacock, from Surinam.—Sailed the Mary, Bradburn, for Cork. SP)RTING INTELLIGENCE. ASCOT HEATH RACES-THIRD DAY, JUNE 23. The renewal of the logs. Stakes for three-yrs old, for the years 1808 and 1 'O9 ; colts to carry Bst. 71b. fillies Bst. 91b. The New Mile. The winner of the Derby or Oaks to carry 716. extra. Mr. Wyndham names Mr. Ladbroke's f. Trimbusb, by Taddy Ld Egremant's b. f. by Gohanna, nut of Lazy 2 The Gold Cup of toogs value, the surplus to be paid to the winner in specie, a subscription of 20gs each, for horses that ne ver won above 100 gs. at any one time before the day of naming. The Half-mile Post on the New Mile, and once rtar.nd, about two miles and a half. Mr. Femmes br. c. Brighton, 4 yrs o'd - OZ dead I Mr. Buller s Epsom, by Ambrosio, 4 yrs old 0 heat. 2 Lord 1- oley's f. bought of Prince, paid forfeit to Lord Egre mont'a f. by Gohanna, the last half m ile, 100 gs. Lord C. 11. Cavendish's Pagoda, Bst. 81b. beat Mr. Craven's Beau Nash, 7st. 7111. The last half of a stale, wogs. Lord Jersey's c.vby the Wellesley Arabian, dam by Pot-8-o'a, as'. 211). beat Lord goley's f. by Vermin, out of a Highflyer Mare, Bv. 71b. Last rnik, 100 gs. A plate of 501. for yeoman prickers and ke pers.—The best ssf three four-mile heat.. Mr. Starlit g's b. g. Blenheim (Walked over.) The company on the course were numerous, but the Queen and Princesses were not present. The Third Report of the Committee on the Distil. lation of Sugar and Molasses has been printed. It states that " by far the greatest portion of the provi sions and lumber supplied to our West India Islands has been hitherto imported in American vessels, and paid for partly in rum and a very small quantity of - molas , es (the only articles of their growth which the colonists are allowed to barter) and partly in specie and bills of exchange, which latter mode of payment is greatly preferred by the Americans, who generally insist upon it, and will dispose of their cargoes at consider. ably less price to obtain it, and that thus not above one-third of the supplies imported from America are paid for by battering rum and molasses in exchange." —The Report goes on to state, " that the cause of the preference thus shewn by the Merchants of thi United States to a mcde of payment so distressing to the other party, is to be found in the limited demand for rum and molasses, as compare i with the value of the articles imported, and in the advantage a h ch Money and bills of exchange afford in the unrestr,. in :d ' intercourse which they are allowed to car,l on with the enemy's colcnies. It has been their practice to s til thither with the money of which they have drained the British West Indies, and to purchase with it sugar, molasses and coffee, to return with these articles to their own country, and tl:en to export the surplus be yond the demand of the American market, to every part of the Continent of Europe. The Report concludes with earnestlyrecommending the expediency of permitting the proprietors of West India estates to barter sugar and coffee, as well as rum and molasses, for the lumber and provisio;:s im ported in neutral vessels during the war, 4d this, it thipks, if coupled with the adoption of measures of increased vigour with respect to the commerce carried on by the enemy's islands, would effectually relieve the British planter from the evils he now so justly complains of. With respect to such measures it sug gests, that a recurrence to the rule of the war of 1756, or a blockade, general or partial, of the hostile colo nies, would materially alter the case. In the coure of the Report the Committee observe, that they turned their attention to the manner in which the permission to barter ; which they recomri.end, might affect our North American colonies and the shipping interest of this country; they admit they did not enter fully into the subject, but they state, that from the view they took of it, they do not see any ground of appre. hension; and that if the measure recommended even did partially affect the shipping interest, it would be in a degree so small as to . bear no comparison with the great benefit to be derived from the measures re commended by the Committ:e.