Star. — London, England, 1817-06-10 00:00:00

himself ona the inctolgascc or *pilule had foreseen when Iu ld often have occasion to do. ie bad made hirw.elf under. ortitssion in the une case, and that the motion of the Ho. Carlisle had been regularly intended now to rectify the .ul,l (.bserve that it v..as not ,old now be introduced on the Id he as much irregularity in le omission, the motion of the quer having been witlidt awn he House. It wa:, now only to signify its intuition on the ,OR of the EXCHEQUER ration to have withdrawn the with the sugge:,tiou that it should appear that no motion so that the case might nut be one way or the other, he hail stoecl the House to have eon , of ta4rig no notice of this mission was not strictly regular. assured the Speaker that he did slightest blame to him. AGH thought that what bad alluded to was done with the ember of the House. aid, that the Message was not tary form, but Parliamentary inught that enough appeared ern any mistake at any future been dune in the case alluded to. 'sought it necessary that some the Journals on the subject. thought that if no further on the Journals, the House Inge the Message. `sat as to the merits of the Ma to him to be objectionable ; this, that it might not be un al in the House that He saw no inconvenience on the Joutual to remain in , There certainly %ions a very that it should' not app,:tr on iotion was negativedl but he it never entered into ; his con notice at ail a the motion should ls. He the:elute moved that tid be made on the Journ.il iotion made that the Message ihe Prince Regent ~hould be and the sense of the House ,ould be withdrawn." distinctly objected to tpon the House to affirm what true. It was certainly the louse that the motion should any notice being taken of it. RE clearly understood that ithdraw ti. l ONSONSY was then put and ne ision. .S LAWS. moved the second reading of the 9ale of Game. He was aware decidedly adverse to the mea that he was actuated solely by mop to the desttuctive practice the fore-runner of every de agreed in the propriety of propesty ; and contended that tied were it not for the Act pro support of this opinion he Lords Hat and Kenyon to is caught in the ground in belonged to the owner of the ground of another person, it The poachers at present ;at mischief. For tie game :y found a ready market. It la in the country, and eon. mt tropolis, who disposed of torn it was sold to the public.. 'locus wore placed in a hard law, which imposed a heavy it not on tie buyers ct game. obliged to sell game, or they is tor their poultry. He had they were act at all anxious were very anxious not to be hies for doing ao, while the impunity. It would not be Legislature to inipase heavy ;ess of game ; and it followed ay of remedying the par , ould be at oncu to legalize the i give the public a lawful sup urged that if the sale of game Id be diaicult to detect the replied, that he intended to 8.11, imposing a penalty on in his possession, who would he obtained it. It had alw be discreditable for Gentle. For his part he was at a loss iuld be score discreditable for mit . pheasants, than it was for their pigs, or their horses.— d a Noble Lord, not of the :ter. the Marquis of Anglesea, ' passed into a law, be was de is game to the metropolis, in supplied legally, instead of That Nulde Lord's amuse game, and he had pp wish to iblie a loam whiCh their mpney He contended, in eippo tmy statement, that the poacher undersold, if the Bill were on the great aduantage that the fenreal'ef that continoed 1340 at PeeeSac annoyed those avidtsals resident country CO ore great evil of the I pece4.4,7, to mention, that :we r fop an 4 .OPO individuals Oreoefe supino cbf-lIP • fig hppect tit, Bill to .go into the Com . Iglu I t ceire any 131(.4ific:0 99 % tat*. xrd DEER HU - it ST opposed the 'Bill. He coolrl coo Cuomo% blanch oith a silent vote upon a measure so f: aught with rri,chlef, and so devoid of any probable good, as was tbai Bill which was now before the House i (or a second diseu,sion. He much feared that in the preponderance of other busine.s, atnongst the plieity Of alter pastions mote 'ranted' stely connec ted with the national consequence of Cie country, Gentlemen had considered this tucasure of minor im. portansm; and that thus by inattention alone, on the part of those whom it would, when passed into a law, most materially affect, had we orrived'at die second reading of a 8011, which, according to his opinion, ought to have been crushed ;Is its first concept;oo. It should, howcirer. no longer be for want of a warning voice in that House, that Gentlemen should have. to regtet the passing of that memo,* into .t law, which when once it bad received the sanction of Parliament, would put a decided barrier to the future preservation of game throughout the kingdom, robbing us of one of our greatest amusements, :ind our country seats 'of ouc ut its greatest ornaments. He understood lions a comespondence that had been shewn him between the Honourable Colonel opposite, and :clothes Hotioutable Colonel, who was not a Mem ber of that House, that one of the objects of the Bill was to enable Nobiemen and Gentlemen to disc pore of that commodity in the shape of game, which at present they could not sell without incurring the ptnalty of. the law ; and indeed a Noble Marquis had been named, who was willing to dispose of his game when this measure passed for the benefit of the public market. He much leased the Noble Marquis, for whom no one could totes tain a higher regard and esteem than lie (Lord Deerhutst) did, would alaays find that the poacher had the power of underselling ' the Gentleman, for the reason that the poacher made a clear profit of every thing above the expense of a load of ponder and shot, say three-half.pence, whilst the Gentleman must have something like a price for his game. even to cover the expense of the baskets in which it was packed ; and they would stand together in the way that the two broom-sellers did in the same market ; the one an honest industrious man, who sold his brooms at as low a price as possible to make the least profit of them, while the other sold I his at one half lower—and upon the former's asking him how this could be, when he who made the brooms himself was content with the most trifling gain ? the latter replied, ‘, You make your blooms, I steal mine ready made."—(A laugh.) —So the poacher steals the game ready made to his hands through the medium of the pockets of Gentlemen who are the preservers of it. If this Bill, Sir, should pass. you will be shutting the door against the possible (I should rather say probable) chance of ever again discovering the poacher I—. tor of course, Sir, the licensed vender will never give you up the name of the man by whom he is to make hi, enormous profit, and who must always be the re-' gular poacher ; for by so doing he would be destroy ing his own decoy-duck—he would be cutting off the goose's head with the golden egg, for the ii cer.sed dealer can buy pheasants at 7s. a brace of these men, and retail them out immediately at 15s. —what prospect then has the Gentleman of keeping p ice with the poachers' price in the sale of game with chance of profit ? It is well known to all game preservers, that nine times in ten the poachers ate not caught in the fields, where your keepers may lie out for twenty nights together and catch nothing but c olds and rheurnatisms. (Laugh.) It is owing to the diffi. culty there now is (as the law at present stands) of dis posing of the game, that you are enabled to bring these class Of robbers to the punishment they merit-. but when once houses are legalised for its sale, that power, as 1 have already proved, will be wholly taken away. you are opening too a very easy channel to all. keepers and others employed. about the game, to clear your estate, from the ready market of licensed houses, so conveniently opened to them.— But it may be argued, that there is a highly respect l table class of his Majesty's subjects who have no par- taculer predilection for seeing game in any other way than well roasted at their tables, and that it is hard they cannot buy this rarity in the public market.' rmaintain, whilst they have money to pay for it in their pockets, that they will always (as the case now stands) be able to purchase as much game as They please, and at one quarter the price which it costs the game preser vers to rear it on their own estates ; (hear)—but in two years from this there will be no game at at all ter them, for love or money, if this Bill passes into a law. But, Sir, from an apparently trifling question in it self, I connect this with (in my humble opinion) a great political one; and I would ask the Honourable Colonel and the House, if this is the moment to pass any measure that will go to disgust Country Gentle men with a residence on their property. GOD knows, there arc unfortunately now too many causes of dis satisfaction oolongs' the Landed Proprietors; and I consider it to be the duty of Parliament to encourage, by every possible means, rather than the contrary, a proper residence upon the land, so essential to the best and vital interests of the cou ntry—(Hear, hear.) I. therefore, propose, that, instead of now, this Bill I be read again. this day six months." Mr. CURWEN characterized the Game Laws as most unjust, iniquitous, and detestable. He would, however, hove preferred a Committee of investiga tion into the subject, rather than the Bill before the House; and be hoped tae Honourable Colonel would withdraw the Bill" rother than have it negatived, with a view in the next Session to move fur the appointment of such a Committee. Sir C. BURRELL opposed the Bill. Mr. WILBERFORCE supported the Bill. He particularly insisted on the injustice of subjecting the seller, but not the purchaser of game to a penalty. It was:a maxim of law, that the receiver was as bad as the thief. Nothing could be more reprehen sible than that the poor man who was seduced should be punished, and that the rich man who was the se ducer, should escape with impunity. An Honour able Friend of his bad received information on this subject from France, by which it appeared that for wetly, wben severe , penaltieseven in some cases death—were attached to poaching, game was never theless insevire i but that since a different system had been pursued, and game had been made private pro perty, poaching was no lunger a trade in that cows try. The Honourable Gentleman highly compli mented . the ability exhibited by the Noble Lord be hind him (Deeiherst), but expressed his persuasion that a little more vonsickratimi of the subject would lead that Noble Lord to feel all the evils of the ezis ' ting system. He hoped either that the Bill would .. • be allowed to go into a Committee, or that a CM?. mittee would be a:poin:ed to inetstig.tte the su'ljrci and see if some other remedy could nut he applied. Mr. G. BAIIKES argued that the Honourable Mover of the Bill began at the wrong end of the bu siness, and made a prnposition which was utterly irre concilable with the existing laws. He enumerated various objections to the measure, which appeared to him to be so objectionable in principle, that no too dificatioa which it might receive in a Committee could render it tolerable. Mr. PRESTON supported the Bill, and Sir J. SEBRIGHT opposed it. Mr. GURNEY aid, that in France game was the property ot the Lord of the Soil, who might pro- secute any one who was found with a gun in bis lands. But the sale of game being there legalized, tl:e trade of poaching had almost ceased, or that the gamekeepers were the poachers. Mr. GOUL BURN denied that that law which was applicaule to the character and usages of the French people, would be equally applicable to the character and usages of the Engl►sh. Colonel WOOD said, he believed it would be the most prudent way not to press his motion for the second reading ot the Bill to a division—(.4laugh.) He thought it would be hest to defer any further pro ceeding, and sec if at a future period a snore accept able measure could be devised by a Committee. The Amendment was agreed to without a division. fasimitmers had only now to throw hi • the House. and it was eel tool. the Chair he should --(Hear, ,year.)—lt be alpe.i, the reason for the o e..t in the other was, ti noarable Member for C wichJrawn. If it wan ii omission, the Hous;; wou: easy to mark bow it coup Journals, for there would inserting it now us in the Chancellor of the Exch,c i without the coast nt of the necessary for the House tc subject—( Hear, krar). I • The CHANCELLOI said, that it was his motion alluded to, but w would be better that it Ow had ever beau made. so i tirawn into a pri cedent on complied, and he understi cured in the propriety of motion, although the omisi Mr. PjNSONBY assu: Lot intend to impute the s Lord CASTLE REA( boot done in the matter al concurrence of every Men Mr. C. W. WYNN saic oily against Parliamentar 1 si.bstaace. Mr. CANNING thoul on the Journals to prevent as to what had been I'ONSONBY thou entry should be made in tl Mr. C. W. WYNNL notice was to appear on might just as well expung Mr. BANKES said that sage, it never appeared to and he wished to state chi derstood to be the general the Message was wrong. in allowing the entries on their present state. Mr. PONSONBY—TI general tnderstanding tha the Journals that the toot; solemnly declared that it i templation that no notice be taken on the Journals. the following entry shouts] for the 3d of June, " Mm of his Royal Highness the taken into consideration, was that the motion shoull Lord CASTLEREAt the motion, as calling upc in peint of fact was not to understanding of the Hou be passed over without an; Doctor PHILLIMO It the motion had been with( The motion of Mr. Pots gativcd without a division, GAME Colonel WOOD moved Bill for Legalizing the Sal that many persons were dc cute, but he protested that a sincere wish to put a stoi of poaching, which was tl 4c,i!piluil of vice. He a, ItiakiA4 game private pro it would be so recognized Whiling its _sale. In au] goatee , the authorities of skew, that if a bare was which it started, it below ground, but it in the gro belonged to the bunter. were the causes of great which they obtained they I was collected by teceivers "eyed to saksmen in the it n, poulterers, by whom Thi.last clas4 the potato situation by the existing la penalty on the sellers but i The poulterers were obli would have no customers I authority for saying that Li to sell st, leut.that they w ezpowd to heavy penaltie purchasers escaped with easy. ilmrem a for the Li penalties on the purchaser; ti.ereforo a that the only i tialiv and grievance wool bale of game, and thus gi ply of it. It had been ur, _ were legalized, it would poacher. To this he re propose a clause in the any person having game i net declare from whom h been said, that it would b entq to sell their game. I to discover why it would Gentlemen to sell their them to sell their sheep, t He had the. authority of Most penurious character, . • to say, that if this Bill pe terowned to transmit his order that it might be s illegally. by poachers. meek was tashooring R a u withhold from the public entitled Om to commis 'Won to a contradictory roiod fly completely tit agreed to I and weir on iir l istild be abtainell by the fattie of itrit# 99 vibich itivalttatfte individt 'demo. As a proyf mime Lien, it wad bOy ln the lai___lta_ril. ) .et we ir for areal T e eli t would allow sirittee, It whirl it mlgli :afpear.dtt.ll.4 FINANCES OF TUE COUNTRY. On the motion of the CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER it was ordered that the House should. to-mot-tow, resolve itself into a Committee on the Acts relative to the Consolidated Fund ; and the Right Hon. Gentleman gave notice that on Monday next he would make a general statement of the Finan ces of the country. COJ4MITTEE r? SUPPLY. On the motion of the CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER, the Honse went into a Conunittee of Supply. The Right Hon. Gentleman then moved that the Ordnance and Barrack Estimates be sub mitted to the said Committee. Mr. WARD, on rising to submit these Estimates to the Committee, beiefly observed, that as there was no augmentation in their amount, it would only be a waste of time to enter into any argument upon them. Some votes were required for the ensuing half-year, which it was now necessary to move for.— They were as follow _ For du Charges of the Ordnance for the Land Service of Great Britain, for half a year, to the end of 1817 £348,939 0 0 For the Charges of the (Maw* Oats for Ireland . - - 63,186 0 0 For the Expenses of Reductions in the Oat. of Ordnance - 44000 0 0 For the Charges on Account of Allowances to superannuated and retired Officers: oho to Widow, and Children of Officers deceased 105,790 JO 11 For Allowances and Compensations to Persons lately belonging to the Office of Ordnance, and for the Charge on Widows' Pensions, &c. MOO 9 5 For retired Officers of Engineers, Widows's Pen dons, licc. for Ireland • 7,000 0 0 For Allowances to Persons late belonging to the Office of Ordnance in Ireland - - 1,750 0 0 For the Civil Establishment of Sierra Leone 15,x04 9 0 For the Civil Establishment of Nuva Scotia 30,440 0 0 For the Civil Establishment of New Sum h%Vales 19015 0 0 For the Civil Establishment of the Province of Upper Canada - 11,925 0 0 Mr. CURWEN here asked whether there was any disposition on the part of Government to increase co lonisation in that part of his Majesty's territories ? Mr. GOULBURN said, that last year a number of persons certainly were sent out free of expense, and that all which had been done in this respect had ten ded to the public benefit. He gave a statement of the terms that had been held out to the emigrants, and the grants they received on their arrival. For the (Jorge of the Civil Establishment of NM Brunswick - 6,247 0 0 For ditto of the Civil Establishment of New- foundland - 3,463 0 0 For Ditto of the Civil Eitablisbinent of St. John's or Prime Edward's Islam! - 3,026 0 0 For Ditto of the Civil Egablishnaent of the Ba- barna islands - - - 2,301 0 0 For Ditto, for the Civil Establishment of Cape Breton, North America - - 3,530 0 0 For Ditto, fir the Civil Establishment of David nica, from the Ist January - - 600 0 0 These Resolutions being agreed to, Mr. ARBUTHNOT moved the following Mis cellaneous Resolutions : For Printing various Acts of Parliament, and the expenses of sheriffs, Clerks of the Peace, and Acting Magistrates - - £17,000 0 0 For Printing the 19th vol. of the Journals of the Houtc of Peers - - 2,552 0 0 For deficiency in the Cant for defraying the expense of priming the Jourmds of the five.. of Commons. - • 815 8 4 For the Expense that may be inc.irrell for print ing the 17th volume of :he Jou:zals of the House of Comment - - 3,500 0 0 For priudng the 71st vult;32e of :he Jourr.es of the Hon; of Cotunions - - 2,250 0 0 For thug of the MI volume - - 3,250 0 U For printing the Reports of the House of Cbm. mom in 1817 ' - 8,500 0 0 Fur nuking up the deficiency of the gran: in 1817 for Itepnnting the Journals . 6,47 Z u 0 For the expenses of priming MI, Reports,and other Papers in the present Session - 21,000 0 0 For the delicleocy ill the grant of 1816, far priodng Bills and other Papers - - 8,197 co 0 B Mr. ANKES expressed 'ais opinion that a more economical sy.tem in the printing might be introduced: Mr. ARBUTHNOT replied, that endeavours had been made this year to economize beyond what had been done in the preceding one. There had also been a considerable reduction in the wages of print ing, and paper of an inferior quality had been used, which could not fail to cause a material diminution of the expense. The suggestion of his Honourable Friend s however, was worthy of consideration, and would be attended to: Fur printing the Votes of the House of Commons for the present Session . . X 9,600 For the superinttedenee of Aliens 4OOO For the expense of confining and maintaining yin* I nal Lunatics • • 9,000 Foe Law Charges . • 20,000 For extraordinary Expenses that may be Incurred for Prosecutions relative to the Coin . 4,000 For the superannuation el the late Paymaster of Zr. clique!. Bills • 966 For the superannuated and retired Clerks of the Office for Auditing Public Accounts 1,930 For retired Clerks of the Lottery . 931 For the Superannuated and Retired Officers of the Mint 620 For making Reins in the Highlands 90,004) For the Repairs of Henry Vll.'s Chapel :495 . For the National Vaccine E•tablialinient 3on For the Caledonian Canal - . . 75,000 Onthe motion tar voting apoo to support the Vaccine Establishment. Mr. CURWEN objected to the grant , and ex .. . . prettrd himself doubtful as to the utility of the h. stitution. Mr. FRANKLAVD LL• WIS oapported the grant is tending to encourage one of the greatest hent.t.:, that ever was conferred upon tnankind. pur the expenses that may 1 )e incurred in the manage ment 01 the British Museum for Ihl7 Fot the expenses of the Barrack Department a...toty Fur Forage, Bread, Weal, as fur the Troops ELL tic, The Resolutions were agreed to, and the Rtp.tr. ordered to be received tomorrow. The House revived itself into a Committee on the Clergy Residence Bill ; when, after several verhal amendments, the Report was received. Adjourned at Twelve o'Clock. THE EVENING STAR. }=-_- LONDON. TUESDAY, JUNE 10, 1817. PRICE OF STOCKS THIS DAY AT TWELVE O'CLOCK Reduced 751.1 f —Consols shut—Consols for Opg. 7SI 4 per Cent. 901.4—Navy, shut—Bank Long Aims. Ist 11-14. India Boats 82 e 3 pre.—Exelt. Bulls 9s. 13s. pr. Last night, in the House of Commons, Sir S tut.r.t. ROMILLY postponed the discussion on the motion for repealing the Septennial Act, until Thursday se's. night. We understand that Mr. Baottctrares illtie was the cause of the postponement, although Si; SAME EL ROMILLY did not notice the circumst.ince.— The pension of A4OOO per annum to the late SPFAALit s with £3OOO to his next heir, was finally voted, ait. r some additional compliments.—ln the course of the evening the Bill for legalizing the sale of Game 1.:. thrown out.—The Ordnance Estimates went throug's a Committee, and the Bill for enabling eie Clergf to let their Tythes on long Leases, was read a laird time and passed. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER gave nuke, that be should on Monday next bring forward Financial Plan for the Year. SOIJTH AMERICA. This day we have accounts by various channels re. lative to South American affairs. The Chesterfield Packet, which has arrived at Falmouth, brings ac corms direct from Rio Janeiro to the 10th of April. It was then rumoured there that the Insurrection bad extended itself to Bahia. The subjoined letters from Falmouth, and from Rio Janeiro, will put our Readers in possession of the latest accounts front the Brazils. By the Hamburgh Mail of this morning, we have received the Bremen Gazettes to the 2:411 May in clusive, from which we also subjoin an extract, :da tive to affairs at Buenos Ayres, from which it swats that the people of that place have sent Deputies to Vienna, to offer the Sovereignty to the House ut ALIIITRIA. EXTRACT OF A LETTER FROM TUE AGENT TO LLOYD I, AT FALMOUTH, DATLD THE 7TH INST. " The Chesterfield - Packet, which arrived here I yesterday from the Brazils, left Rio Janeiro Ituh April, at which time the Insurrection was known there; and it was also rumoured that an Insurrection had taken place at Bahia, though all was quiet at that port when the Packet called there on her out ward-bound passage. The Governor of Pernambuco had arrived at Rio, and was imprisoned by the King on the Island of Cabral', in consequence of not hav ing defended that place sufficiently. Two frigatcs, a sloop of war, and a schooner, sailed from Rio Ja neiro, for Pernambuco, before the Packet left, bus they had no troops on board. Between two and :I,OCU men were to follow them in other vessels." " RIO DE JANEIRO, /SAIL 9 " As soon as the news of the events at Pernlm• buco arrived here, which were brought by t ' e Go• vernor of that Captaincy, who came here with a flag of truce, the greatest enthusiasm was manifosted favour of the Royal cause, all the Nobility ant; ri-- cipal individuals offering to serve in the cr2ecli..; , -1 against the rebels : the offers made to the &wet"- ment amounted in a sit:in time to a considcznble intended for the purpose of defraying the expense of a marine and land expedition. The first will consist of several ships, frigates, and small craft: the Iztta of several squadrons of cavalry, and three regiments of the line, besides volunteers, forming altoge:her a body of 2,000 men, under the orders of Gener.l Rego, and which, when added to the troops of Wat, would form a little army of 5,000 men. His Ma jesty accelerated in person the preparation, so that he went on board to superintend the embarkation, ar.d also passed in review the land forces." • " BREMEN, MAY ?A' ‘i At this moment a Deputy Om Buenos A; eta: is on the way to Vienna, tor the purpose of offering the Kingdom of Buenos Ayres to an Austrian Prinit• It is said that the Envoy is commissioned, in case It should not meet with the wished-for reception Vienna, to apply to another powerful European. Court." The following are some further particulars, ex. tracted from a French Paper : BAHIA, MARCH 20.—A senous revolution has just brclut out as Pernambuco. We hear nothing of Para nor of A4arigr "• and the severe preeautiot.s taken by the Government prove that a single grain of powdcr may embrace mountains. fßir a lung time the Colonists of Brazil have been upon bad terms with the Europeans of Lisbon, who possess the civil and military employ ments. Secret intelligence was kept op along the whole line of coast—the 7th of April, the (Lss fixe.l for the King's Coronation, was to be the slipsal for a general revolt. Pernansbuto accele rated It. Eighty families, alarmed et the fins crisis, lave Awl duped every thing t 0 escape to this part. MARCH YY, AT coa.r.bg +mei has bee" of 113 e