Star. — London, England, 1822-07-31 00:00:00

tr' ~1~ 41 immeyers•odonsielbm""" l "" 6 " . dress themssivsaiditikat cinarter. The Petitioners hadi DO tight to expect that the English Captains could haat( themselves Admiralty Judges. Indeed the at • sackiits IT these vessels,. from a false notion of dig nity, %%mild he tatimately most mischieVous towards our commerce, as it would encourage every adven turer to accept commissions from these States, and thus to attack our commerce more extensively. He believed there was no premeditated design on the Fart of these States to injure the English commerce. The plain truth was, that many English traders, from use e v ews of gain, bad violate.' the rules of the ports belonging to the -e States, had covered Spanish property with the English flag, and had th us ex p osed themselves to condemnation. But, in point of fact, one English vessel only had been condenine.!, and another* had beetasold, and the proceeds lodged in the Treasury of Chili for a }`ear, in order to keep the question open; a circumstance which shewed that these States did not dial with these matters in alto gether an off-hand manner. Strong representations had, however, been made to the Chili Government respecting the conduct of Lord Cochrane, the Ad- mind ; and they, it was hoped, would bring him to reason; but all circumstances considered, he really* submitted to the House that the case was not one which called for immediate vengeance. He trusted the House would not think that Government had neg lected this important question—(Heer, hear). Mt. BRIGHT said, that if the persons in quest / ion were not pirates, he should like to be told what a pirate was ! Sir G EOIIGE COCKBURN said, the Government to which a vessel belonged was to be considered an swerable for the conduct of its crew towards the ves sels of other nations. Mr. Ultima resumed. These vessels, he said, made indiscriminate war upon the vessels of all coun tries. The Americans acted upon principles different from ours, and treated these vessels as pirates. If the Admiralty permitted the false pretences which had been set up, to gain ground, we had nothing to do but to abandon our commerce altogether. Mr. CROKEIt said, the Admiralty had given or ders to call upon the Spanish Government to give up the offenders, or to withdraw the protection which was given them by their flag. In the interim, Eng lish vessels of war had been placed near the spot in question, to protect the English commercial vessels. To attack the S r aaish Colonies without demanding reparation, would lead to war with Spain, perhaps with all Europe. He deprecated these discussions, as they would by publishing the present difficulty, encourage those persons who were already sufficiently astute to evade the laws of nations. Di. LUSHINGTON said, be believed it was im possible tor Ministers to give full protection to Bri tish vessels in the present state of things. It was ne cessary for the latter to submit to a limited right of visitation and search ; and although this knight give rise to some particular inconveniences, it was the best security for obedience to the laws of nations. He wished to see the independence of the Colonies of South America fully recognized by this country ; and he regretted that the treaty entered into by the Noble Marquis with Spain threw a difficulty in the way of our doing so. He was happy, however, to hear from the Hon. Secretary the instructions which had been issued from the Admiralty ; and he trusted they would be acted upon without any unnecessary delay. He admitted that nothing could be done until a representation had been made to the country whose flag had been assumed. It was not in the number of vessels taken that he thought the import ance of the question consisted. It was the injury done to commerce in raising the rate of insurance on commodities sent to those quarters of the globe. Be sides these considerations, there was some induce ment to speedy and vigorous action in the circum stances of briabarity and horror which accompanied the depredations that had been committed. Ile hoped therefore that, these things considered, the most effectual means would be taken to enforce the execution of the orders which had been given. Mr. CItOKER said, that orders had already been sent to the Admiral. Another Later had been re ceived from the Spanish Government, expressing, in strong terms, their disapprobation of the acts in ques tion ; but, previously to that, an order had been sent to the Admiral to look to the execution of the orders. Dr. PIIILLIMORE sincerely hoped that the right of search, a light which we had been so long con tending for, and which actually formed the foun dation of the rights of nations at the present day, would not be relaxed in the slightest degree. He rather deprecated the language of the petitioning merchants, on the subject of a war in which this country was not engaged. A new war had arisen for the first time in twelve years, in which we were not engaged, and our right of search under such cir cumstances did not extend quite so far as in other cases. We had acknowledged these countiies as de /ado States, and therefore the belligerents had a right to declare blockades, and carry vessels into port under adverse colours, to abide the' decisions of law. It appeared to him an extravagant proposition to call in other flags to protect the vessels of this nation, being neutral. Those English vessels that navigated foreign seas under the Spanish flag, did so at their own risk. Pirates were the ene.nies of all nations, and for any depredations committed by them they were amenable to the parent States. After a few words from Mr. FORBES the Petition was brought up. Mr. M A RRYAT'f said that it was not the Under wt but the Ship-owners, that sent this Petition. The Underwriters had a means of protection always within their power, by raising their premiums. Sir G. COCKBURN explained, and the Petition was then read, and ordered to be pinned. PRISONERS IN INDIA. Mr. HUME rose to move for a return of the num ber of persons at present imprisoned in Bombay, dis tinguishing those confined under the sentence of a military ur civil tribunal. He desired to have this return with reference to some unfortunate captives in prison at this place, under circumstances of great hardship. He alluded to a body of natives taken out of a place called Beni 800 Alli, in Arabia, last year. :aptives of a military expedition under who proceeded against them as a by the Persian Ciulf. He landed the place, and, after attacking it, inhabitants to surrender at discretion— I of this was, that they were all taken , • Mr. WYNN certainly objected to tx-parte state ments, such as this document must contain, lying on the table during the recess. Mr. HUME then moved for a Return of all Per sons confined in India by order of the Goviimor in Council, excepting those confined by sentence of Civil or Military Tribunals, with particulars as to how long, for what offence, and where confined. Mr. WYNN suggested that the Hon. Member should delay his motion till next Session, as he did not believe there were documents in this country to make such a return. He would, in the meantime give all the information he could. Mr. HUME, upon this understanding, consented to withdraw his motion. PRINTING. Lord PALMERSTON brought up the Report of the Committee on Printing. Mr. HUME took that opportunity of protesting against the conduct of this Committee with regard to w itnesses. Instead of confining themselves to the inquiry for which they were appointed, they actually put witnesses who came before them on their trial, touching matters past and gone. He particularly alluded to the case of Mr. Jennings, who was exit mined as to previous evidence. Lord PALMERSTON did not understand what the Hon. Member meant by saying that witnesses were put upon their trial. It was impossible for any Committee to be more fairly formed than this was, as it was selected from both sides of the House. Mr. BENNET said the House might judge how impartially the Committee was selected when they knew that it was composed of eighteen of the Noble Lord's (Lord Palmerston's) friends and adherents, and only three from his (Mr. Bennet's) side of the House, of which three his Hon. Friend (Mr. Hume) was the only one that attended, the other two, no doubt, net liking their company. Mr. HUME said, that as a specimen of the way in which business was conducted in the Committee, all papers that came into it were locked up in a boa , whereas they oug h t to b e l e f t w i thin the power of any Member to shew to any Member of the House to take his opinion. The object of the Committee I was to elicit truth, and such a course militated against that object. go fur Money ; and 801 for the Account. S 6j , 77.:7 7 71P , • during the .... . 1 . ittee 4° ,llt n O t i Cen a lit i ptlithPsaessehalamre, kbegkofbeiretbi(hrtenakedgh),nlintsthl:effinelnyscnientlem)ePnttsbli: prisoners, and aft et ? dap *irch, Mr. ih'iNtit said, that the objata 01 a Came oat of the town ts from the place, the women were sent adrift to was 10 obtain inform:oon to, laylosfore the Hawk Or so khill for themselves, the men and boys above five andlitoppealed to the Choir' to know, wbOtheramy . years of age being detained. A ;limber of them Member had authority to shell any peer whatever, which are 28,1071. 4s. 2d. or upwards of a were delivered up to a native Imaun; rind here h laid ebe f ore - . l annum each. ,000 re thought he might fairly challeng e the conduct of the j The SPrA KER tholight there could be no'differ- Th there are diligent pleasure of the Crown, or of *lv egos up, since they had surren- ence of opinion on this subj ect . All informatiohd us• y ofirilia.bsid dodos the • der Offi r c d er th o e , a h l o w r e v s e ol t i l i re y in to the British. The test were ; whether evidence or not, was laid before a Com mittee This wag hold only by that pleasure, abeellsia n ' . 41 36 them oo ?" carried to Bombay, where they sole all imprisoned;' as a - silect body, and for its use alone. ( " ti°4l e s 'annum of the p ublic moner. There a ne s t , par many had died of disease, and' there was every ap. I pointed out in every day's practice , when I nineteen other Honourable Member s •Z ' di% pearance of its being the intention of their victors to were made for certain evidence and papers to b keep them in perpetual confinement. Now, they printed for the use of the Committee alone. , • have a might hang them up as pirates if they chose, but he Mr. LUSIIINGTON did not rise to prolong the l f a r f ee eex ho e l d d h i y n ttitlieiesapmubeliiciefeealysfre.ar'effheelsept,tiinsdit:ed, ar . s net did not think they were entitled, by the laws of na- distinsion, but merely to point out to the Hon. Mem- I a refractory vote, as the former class of Oar n, on gonna for the most part of punctilious honour, tions, to give them such a punishment as this. if her for Shrewsbury, bow much in error he was in d, through gratitude to a benefactor, a mi. eraeit I the information he had received - was correct, it was saying that them %sere only three Members from his len a very hard case. side of the House in the Committee in question. The : but be in g o ° t r he v r o s tes wo a u n l d d s c Pe ch e rt c r h i e b s t:te lit f t r ie orn iess M. WYNN said, that this was one of the cases Hon. Gentleman then proceeded to read the names ' they arising out of the operations of war. The origin of of Lord John Russell, Mr. Brougham, Sir H. Parnell, 1: exemplary p in iar t y he th w a a n y 170,000 ner an. meaner motive. This swells the list to eighty-ninae the persecutions of these persons, was their having Mr. Ricardo, Mr. Monck, Mr. M. A. Taylor, Mr. Max- I murdered the bearer of a flag of truce. In .copse- well, M. Chetwynd, and Mr. Hume. These were i on : Members of Parliament enjoying quence of this, an expedition against them having nine of the Hon: Members friends, besides which, I num of the taxes paid by the People. E failed, another was sent under the command of Cie- the neutral ground, were, Mr. Uankes, Mr. Smith, melifix:vesulmOOsk, weat s t h h a e ll in see div d id iat ua t i h s e r y eC a e r i e ving these ire;. Oral Smith , by *hem it was conducted in a moaner Mr. Limb, and one other. He hoped the generality she most skilful and creditable. They were ready to of the Hon. Member's statements were more correct on the ground of important public services, eithe r surreuder. the fortress, and give up the individuals than that he had made en Allis subject, for he de fi ed n ot conferred rendered g..insta nce, there is Sir G. ct'incei tied in the murder, but they could not agree him to appoint a more impai tial Committee.—(Near}. also to deliver up their arms, which, in fact, in that Mr. MONEY cited a case in illustration of what or renderin For barbarous country, would be tantamount to laying had fallen from the Chair, in which a paper got into I down their lives. In all that General Smith had the daily prints, before it appeared in the printed Ross, who in addition to his Embassy of 1,7,50 0 , done, he was actuated by the most humane motives. Minutes of the Committee on Trade. per annum, receives £1362 as Clerk of the Parlia. There were a great number of them carried prisoners Mr. LUSIIINGTON presented Papers from the Excise and men[ ; the Right 14 ifanaynZenoti; amounting. to Honourable CHARLES lIATitUltsT Tax ces.--t . hd . ered to . lie on tbe table. to Bombay; but, by the last accounts, steps had been Mr. PIik.NDkRGASf complained of certain insinuations ha a s n f a S s f e 6 r 3 t . t a year, as Chancellor of N a DA t a h , e ti D le u te l zunt , a h n t n H u m on . % N Y o offices , w , taken to release them from confinement, and restore which had been thrown out against him by the Hon. Members L two or s t oo h h r . e ee p R e nondescriptri Ciy o f them to their possessions.' The Court of Directors, for Aberdeen and Coventry. Ile should look over the papers upon receiving the account, expressed their disap- which had been presented, and move fur the printing of any that probation of what had been done, and desired that affected him. He hoped the Hon . . Gentlemen to . whom he bad ( a ) f b above alluded would do the sante. and if they found a single paper that every means should be taken to restore what had appeared to make against him, be trusted they would move that Gentlemen (and we might add consider • been taken away. He feared it would ran now be it should be printed.—AsikAtrnekl. . ably to the . list), will lay his hand on his heart, and possible to restore their possessions to those people, ----- solemnly de. but they might be amalgamated in some tttlier tribe. 111 1 1 .1 EVEN [NG STAR. He was, indeed, sorry that more effectual justice - necessary t o n remuneration, while it is deemed- 1 - ,u,..t could not be done. . • LO N I)ON. I)ON. the poor clerk of £lOO a y ear of 2 p er cent. IV I , y Mr. MONEY was sorry that this time of the Ses- then we will be content that he shall enjoy it as 10: sion had been chosen to bring forward a subject of this kind, when representations might et into the WEDNESDA V, JULY SI, 18 9 2. as Great Britain pos eases the means of th us 1,1%i Prin tr. public prints on the subject, which there would be her resources. There i STOCK EXCHANGE, TWELVE O'eLOCK. i s another and mire elinui no means of answering. The Hon. Member had evil attending this union of pland 1 • i: i aceman e, I , ,itcr, made a distorted and 'exaggerated statement in say- , the efluence that it has on their cencluct: 6:;t we ing that the persons in question were to be confined shall not enter into this at present. for life. There never was any idea of the kind re specting them. He was glad, however, he had not gone on to inculpate General Smith, who was a most distinguished officer. The tribe he had put down carried on a piracy marked by every atrocity that could be conceived towards the British flag, without regard to rank, age, or sex, and the power of these inhuman monsters had long been a disgrace to the British forces in that quarter. • Mr. BEN NET said, that his Hon. Friend had made no accusation against General Smith. There were many circumstances he wished to hear explained. Dr. PHILLIMORE rose to deprecate any discus sion on this subject. Mr. FORBES thought it would have been more appropriate if the Hon. Member had merely moved Ifor the Papers, without making any observations of the nature be had indulged in, just when they were within twenty-four hours of prorogation. He thought it was neither fair nor just that charges should be hung up to the world against General Smith during a period of six months, without the means of answer ing them. No man was more leniekt, or rot): e in capable of a cruel action • than this officer. He had done all he could to prevent the Hon. Member from bringing forward this subject in the present Session, and from what passed between him and the Hon. Member last night, he thought he succeeded. The motion was then agreed to. Mr. HUME said, he had• put the information be had received into the hands of the Hon. Gentleman opposite two months ago. The last accounts he re ceived confirmed the view he had then taken; but, as he had promised, in bringing it forward, he had not entered into discussion. Nor had be, in any way, made hostile observations against any individuals . — He wished to move for a copy of the Memorial lof the Chief, but if there were any objections he would refrain. Considerable business has been dope this morning in the Mar ket; several respectable Brokers have purchased to a large amount, and up to this hour the Market has a good appearance. The Commissioners ha♦e this moment purchased at, .Consols, Fottemo FuNns.—This being settling day for all foreign Se curities, most of the Brokers are busy in settling their accounts. Spanish Bonds improved somewhat this morning, and were done at 63, but soon after became sellers at the above price. In other lotrign Securities there is not much doing. • STOCK EXCHANGE, ONE O'CLOCK. The Market remains steady, with tittle doing. Consols, 6011. for the account, and 6011. Money. The French Funds are said to have improved. Folmar( Fusn•.—The foreign Account has gone off up to this hour without any defaulter, but it appears most of them are great Bears of Spanish Bonds. A Portuguese Loan of 500,000 is ex. pected in a few days. PRICES OF STOCKS AT ONE 0 CLOCK. The Commons will close their labours this evening, The abandonment of the Stamp Duties' Re/if 13,11 has facilitated business at least one if no.: two days, ai there were several new clauses, and the Bill mtht have been again printed. The Loner llouse will ad journ this evening till Monday, to xtFo d time to the Lords ; and on Tuesday, according to pre eta cAlcu lations, the Parliament will be prorogued by his MA. JESTY in person. DORSET FELLOWES, Esq. Secretary to Pie Ler! Great Chamberlain of England, arrived in to n v , :!- terday, at his apartments in the I-lonse of Loidi, superintend the preparations requisite for' his MA. JESTY'S reception in the Royal Robing tjat,i, , ,fr, rn the Throne, in the House of Peers, &c. Mr. wrs , in the afternoon, had an audience of Lord 6 , ...5byR, at his residence in Piccadilly, to make arrangrine!;:s for the prorogation. No distinct intimation had blen given as to the day on which the prorogation was likely to take place; but it was understood that it would probably be on Tuesday. Mr. FEttowEs La; directions to proceed forthwith in getting ready what is es , .ential for the reception and accommodation of his MAJESTY in the Royal Robing Room, in the old House of Lords, in the Painted Chamber, &c. Lard GWYDYR, as acting Lord Great Chamberlain of En.s. land, has complete controul over the Kin's P.d.re at Westminster, and as such • has, and now exercise;, exclusive controul in all regulations when the Kixa proceeds in person to the Parliament: This authority was resumed at the opening of the first Session of t::e reign of GEORGE IV. it had gone into some disuse owing to the indisposition of the late Lord Great Chamberlain; and it will be strictly enforced on the occasion of the ensuing prorogation. No tickets but those signed by Lord GWYDYR will admit stra:;:en under which denomination all persons not Peers or Commoners are included, to the body of the Rouse, below the Bar, or into the adjoining Grand Char:- bers, such as the old House of Lords, &c. Officers ani Messengers used to admit their friends, even into t'ae body of the House and to the exclosijn of tlt. Peeresses, but by the decisive arrangements and en ertion of authority, made by Lord GWYDYR and hi: Secretary, such inconveniences have bee::, and Iv? be prevented by the Lord Great Chartherla!n tickets only having the power to admit al a ,vrs.— All other tickets will be rejected ; there air orders to such effect. Bank Stock 252 251 A-3 per Cent. Red. Si A 1 / 8 2 per Cent. Consols 804 1 / 4 1 / 4 3 1 / 4 per Cents. 92% 1 / 4 4 per Cts. 99%. s/ 8 1 / 4 4 per Cent. New 99 1 / 4 V 4 1 / 4 Bank Long Annuities 20 13-16 15.16 Im p. 3 per Cent,. 80 4—lndia Bonds63s. 60s. 625. South Sea Stock 91—New Annuities 803( Exchever Rills of £l,OOO, ss. 7s. Ct,nsols for Account 80 1 / 4 3 / 8 SA I/ 2 . I There is an old and a very homely proverb, though not the less true on that account, that " what is saved at the spigot, is often lost at the bunghole !" Such is precisely the case with the English Ministers, if we contrast their conduct in dismissing junior clerks from. the Public Offices, and their anxiety to reduce the sa laries of others, with the Returns made to the House of Commons of the immense sums that are received' by themselves and their adherents. There is now a Bill in Parliament which is called the Superannuation Act, by which Ministers at first proposed to deduct £2. 10,. from every man whose salary was £5O and upwards; it has, however, since been agreed that it shall not extend to salaries below £100; from those of that sum up to £2OO, two and a half per cent. will be taken ; and five per cent. from all above £2OO, partly for the purpose of forming a Superannuation Fund, and partly as a relief to the Public. It is true that a reduction is also to be made in the higher offices ; but it ought not to be on the same, but on a graduated scale ; for the Minister who receives £BOOO a-year can better afford to give up ten per cent. of his income, than the poor clerk, Whose £lOO barely enables him to get bread for his family, can relinquish fifty shillings. . We are aware Ministers complain that the Oppo sition has driven them to this ; but this is not the case. The Opposition called for economy ; the Mi nisters refused it, until they found public feeling against them, and then they economize in the most blameable and less efficient manner possible. The Superannuation plan is expected to save £100,000; we do not say that this ought not to be saved, though the Bill is one of a very questionable nature ; but this we will say, that no salary of one hundred pounds a-year should have been touched, until the Place and Pension List had been reduced as low as possible.— Let any person turn over the bulky folios presented .to Parliament, night after night, and say, if he can conscientiously, that very great savings indeed might not have been made without the slightest detriment to the public service. Let us but look at the document of which we gave an account yesterday—the list of Members of the House of Commons receiving upwards of £170,000 annually in the shape of places and pensions. Fifty seven Members of Parliament hold offices under the Crown, at the pleasure of the Crown or otherwise, the net emoluments of which are 108,5651. lls. or near,ly £2,000 per annum each. Thirteen other Mem.. tom of Parliament hold offices in the appointment Thursday, so early niter the prorogation, his MA JESTY contemplates leaving town on bis excursion Scotland. His MAJESTY, it is expected, will embek .In board a steam-vessel, somewhere about Tilbuir Fort, where several steam-vessels will be stationti 1 3 receive the K t NG'S suite. These vessels will thence pro reed to the Nore, to join the vessels now riding d that station, awaiting his MAJESTY'S arrival. Th'l scene presented by this Royal aquatic excursion be peculiar and novel in the extreme, on account ( 4 the number of steam-vessels that will be a mong,t t!'e fleet—more of those vessels, it is calculated, then have yet been seen collected atone poiat, aad engal: 4 is the same voyage. It appears, by the hitest intelligence from Madrid, that so completely was tranquillity restored, And evci social confidence re-established, and so satisfactvl was the state of the capital considered, that on 17th the National Militia, who liatt been encatni.t in the square of the Constitution from the Ist inst. to that date, broke up, and retired to their home', tel A place called . ( 1:. ( 1:1y were the ca lier4r S mi th, . body of tes, f• • ikty miles from obliged the intuit The comequeuce