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~i Trelacel ? The law was there bearded. He feared that the 110 results would arise here, if the people imagined there could be no reform from the Parliament. Who was Cny who talked of disregard of the resistance that might arise ? They whq had succumbed to Ireland with Eng ia::d at their beck. (Cheers.) If there were a contest in England, who were to back the opponents of reform?— t anlaueel cheering.) They must govern by the sword or oldie opinion—and public opinion was gone as far as the egponeme of reform were gone —and of what use would be the sword here row ? ( Immense cheering.) The haa gentle ,. an said, that whatever means they might adopt, it was a case that would admit of no delay. for even while they were e liberating, there might be mischief dune irrevocable. The .:ntry was in a state of imminent danger. The hon. mem. concluded with expressing in fervent language a hope 0:74 the peace of the country might be preserved, and con juring the non. gentlemen, by all the early associations of their youth, and all that was endearing to them as men, to hs'en to the remonstrance of TCWOU, and support the resolu tiors.—(The hon. gentleman sat down amidst immense and repeated cheering.) Sir C. WETHERELL rev, and remained a considerable time on his legs before he could obtain a hearing, occasioned by the cheers fir the last speaker, mixed with cries of '• places," and " liar, bar," and " order, order." The learned baronet commenced with complimenting the hon. gentleman who had just sat down on the eloquent language that he bad used in his address to the house, and said, hav ing to succeed he consequently had sen under great thsadvantages. lie slid the noble lord who had Het:dined the :notion had spoken of the propriety of moderation,and had admonished his friends to follow his example ; but he could not subscribe wigs illustration of moderation,for he had never hard a speech less calculated to set at rest agitation. (Cheers from the Ogposithin.) He had never heard a speech uttered within Om walls that was not only more likely to pro shire irritation. but unnecessarily to produce irritation— (Chetre.) The hon. gentlman who had just sat down had said he hoped that the Government would preserve the peace of the country. He (Sir C. Wetherell) hoped so too. The hon. gentleman had said that be hoped the Government would preserve the constitution and the law, and be firm ; but every word that he had uttered was calculated in a great degree to eisaeminate irritation out of the house ; for every word was addressed to the electors of mlsrule--(Cheers) and calculated to promote that very civil convulsion which he lied taken so much pains to depict as being what was to feared—(lmmense cheering.) He had In peculiar terms cleated to the Catholic Association for Ireland,which,hc said, by its firmness and perseverance, bad ultimately been sue cessful.—(Cheent.) Now, what could he the moral of all this but on this occasion a declaration that a similar associa tion would have a similar effect.—(Hear, hear.) The hon. gent. had not reasoned to a conclusion, but he had said that the tax-gatherer would be resisted he had not directly, but he had indirectly recommended such resistance.—Cheers.) The learned baronet then proceeded to pass some hitter ani madversiors on the press, and concluded his phillipic with saying that the hon. gent. had told that press to proceed as they had done hitherto.—(Cheers and great confusion.) The hencurable member had also recommended the forcing into the other House of twenty or thirty members, and he would now ask bini if that was s constitutional measure, to make an deep en interference in its deliberations. What would he have said had the same measure been recom mended by the other House to be adopted towards the !lime of Commons ?—(Cheers.) The learned ban. said he could '.ot help it if his eloquence did not convince the lion. house, but he was himself convinced of the unconstitutional character of these proceedings. The hon. bast- then more particularly alluded to the general effect of associations, and adverted to the late events in France, where, he said, they had elected a citizen King, but It yet remained to be decided whether or not a citizen King, at the head of a set of dis utfect,d operatives, could carry on the government. (Hear.) If this was to be a question of paying or not paying taxes; he would like to hear an opinion on the subject from the highest authority in the land. He (Sir C. Wetherell) was satisfied that it was a gross conspiracy, the non-payment of taxes, and he never could have contemplated that it would have been recommended in that House. The learned be. cone' indulged in some ironical remarks on the speech of the Lord Chancellor, which lie said was already printed ; and was. being hawked about the country ; but he said he had no objection to that—he had no objection that his Lordship's speech should he printed and sold fo- a penny or a halfpenny —(laughter from the Opposition)—he thought it should be circulated through all England ; and in that speech he had used the expressions—" Goo grant all may be tight ; but it e ill depend upon one word. which word will be—pay no taxes!" The learned baronet at great length upbraided the Attoniey-General for not being more rigorous in the dis charge of his official authority, for there were a great many publications, he said, that ought to have been taken no tice of; for however speeches might be received in the House, they ought not to be allowed to have strength added to them in their publication out of doors, with additions. He violently reprobated the measure, which, he said, bad been adopted to endeavour to im press upon them what they called the principles of the Re. form Bill, and at great length he stated in general - 'terms his reasons wh y he should not support the principles of the re soiutions, b ecause, be said, they were delusive. The learned baronet produced and read front a pamphlet, which was a printed letter, that he understood had been obtained surrep titiously from the S.cretary of the Lord Chancellor, and had beep published, in which his lordship said that he would '.ever consent to any system of disfeanchisement ; and while the learned lord had thus at one time so thought, and had subsequently thought fit to change his oeinion, he repro bated him for uphraidirg those whose opinions were differ ent now. The learned baronet next proceeded to allude to eeches of the Noble Earl Grey, in which he had recom mended gradual reform, and contended, that the noble earl had sine-, charged his sentiments for present purposes. The learned gentleman went into s long detail of dierentious rea sons against the Bill. Lord KIM NGTON rose to order. He complained that the learned gentleman was indulging in criticisms of pam 11ileti. Ad on what bad taken place in another house, which was out of order. The SPEAKER explained, and said that the learned gen tleman had no right to alludeto discussions that had taken Ilse.: in the other house. Sir C. APETHER ELL resumed with renewed anima& vet %ion a or. Lord Brougham, who, he said, was Indus triously mating notoriety. He did not believe that the noble lad (Lbrtegton) was asking them to support the re s,ltflons without the consent of ministers. He taunted the ntitistry, as being a combination of sentiments fur cape df•tcy or convenience, because he said there were some of the cabinet that had been combined with the late 31r. Canno.g, Lu had been the avowed opponent of Refonn ; but they had at this time melted down their consciences, sod cow came forward to ask the honourable members in the house to do the same fur the Reform Dill. He next alluded. to the Acts passed by the present Government, he particular the Coal Act, which he said he had been armed would benefit every one but the poor consumer._ He reprobated their foreign policy, and said they had behaved as it we had no foreign relations, and they had thrown Portugal into the herds of France. He was bound to oppose the ministers, because be bad no confidence in sham, for they had endeavoured to accomplish their purposes by chicanery. He thought, after what had taken place, that the tesolutions were quite unnecessary. If they meant to renea tt.e reform bill, why did they not renew it, and avow it at ot,ce ? (Sonic remarks front -nembers near.)_ The hoe. member tor 3liddlesex had Raid, 6 he hoped they would.' (Hear, hear.) If such was their intention, the re. so:utions were unnecessary, and he would not support them. Ti.e Isatmai gentleman sat down, but was not cheered even by his own party. Mr. SH lEL rose for the purpose of supporting the mo tion ; nut from the confusion arising from Alembers coming and goaut out, ar.d the House being unusually full, it was with lifieuky he could be heard. After noticing the opposition that the original Bill had been exposed to, he allin!ed to the attempts that had been made to win their party over to the opposition principles, and the hopes they had indistinctly held out; but he asked them how they could imagine or exinet Reform to be withdrawn from its natural part us, iusd be entrusted to those who would strangle it in its cradle. Ile said that the history, and some part of the bio graphy. of Toryism might he comprehended in the word cot. noptian. Ihr learned gevt. gave a brief history of the pro gress of polttie.l power, and made some pointed allusions in he administration of one whom, he said, had been desig. noted the Gigot Captain. (Hear.) He alluded also to Doke stunts that had been sent abroad that the King was not sincere, and at some length recounted the circumstances ono:dots ti.e late dissolution of parliament, when he said the K og had come down to the house to vindicate the rights .1; I is ;ample, who had adopted a different mode subsequently It,, ii wont they had been accustomed to do in selecting their representauves. The result of their message to the other House ass already sufficiently known. The Lords had done that which' he hoped they would never have cause to regret. 'they bed rejected the measure, and it was rather remark. able, diet all the opposition which bad been set up against that individual measma—not another plan_ of Reform had lissa War • d ssisia-41.7 bad refected it without the means easothoset. Tioleemed gent. went on to notice the long time which reform had occupied the attention of the noble premier, upwards of SI years, and the gradual pm gression it had undergone, till it had arrived at its present state, and he thought that it consequently was entitled to the confidence of the people. It now ;Mete be said what would the ministers do ? He would recommend them to be firm and pc revere, not to let the wheel go from their grasp until they had steered the vessel into harbour ; to be prompt ; let rot a mitre rest upon r.n Iscariot brow ! (Immense cheering.) Let them be true to the people—the people will net be false to them : "Be just and fear not; Let all the ends they aim at be their country's, Their GOD'S, and truth." It was also asked what would the people do ? For his own country (Ireland) he knew it would do as it had done before; it would maintain the peace; but lend to Eng land its utmost aid. They saw in the measure the first struggle for liberty, and they had seen the mule; but the people will still ask for it until they hive the image of the people. Sir G. MURRAY said, he would not attempt to fol low the learned gentleman who had pat sat down in his imposing flights of fancy ; he would rather follow the Noble Lord in his suggestion of moderation. He did not think that the country had anieeti at any fistful crisis. ' He could see no reason for tl•e rote which they were caked for that night, as he did not think there was a necessity for their expressing any further opinion on the bill —the measure had already been sufficiently discussed. If the resolutions were meant as a censure on the other house they were uncalled for, because the privileges of the Commons had not at all been infringed upon. The hon. baronet al luded to the different topics, besides the resolutions, that had been noticed by the noble lord in hls introdoellon, and inti mated that he did not conceive they were entitled to the cre dit the Ministers claimed from them. He said his Majesty's Nlinittrers had called in to their assistance a power stronger th'n themselves, a dangerous power—the people. He re probated the tone that had been adopted in the speeches, which, he said, would only tend to make government more difficult. Mr. STRICKLAND supported the resolutions. He would not for a moment leave the present Ministy because a heedful of men had thrown out the measure. (Heft, hear.) The retirement of Ministers would be the greatest of cals. ethics; it would confirm that want of confidence of the 'people in the Ministers of the Crown which was one of the worst 'signs of the times. Attachment to Reform was of ancient date; it had existed for the last seventy years. He trusted that its prompt triumph would restore confidence In Government, and would preserve the constitution.— (Cheers.) Mr. LITTLETON thought it impossible, after the re jection by the Lords of a measure affecting exclusively the interests of the commonalty, and passed by such a ma jority in that house, that they should separate without re. asserting their attachment to it, and their confidence in Ministers. It was only by taking the lead, and giving the people an example of the conduct to be pursued that they could prevent that insubordination, and thole acts of violence which would place their opponents on 'vantage ground. Lord Brougham's letter in 1810 had been alluded to, as being in favour of a reform less extensive than the pre sent ; but having then only the influence of a piivate mem ber, and the public attention being engrossed by a foreign war, he could not hope that an extensive measure would be successful. As to his dispatch in the Court of Chancery, which had been sneered at, he considered it had secured to him more reputation and authority than any of his predeces son had ever obtained. Had the Members of the other House beets acquainted with the manufacturing population, they would not have rejected Reform. He (Mr. 1..) had long been witn. es to their daily increasing wealth and informa tion ; to their ardent attachment to Reform, and to their firm det. rmination to obtain it—qualities which it depend ed on the Legislature to convert to the welfare of the State, or to the destruction of its institutions. He was convinced that if the bill did not pass, the institutions were no longer secure. (Hear.) Colonel SIBTHOKPE returned thanks to the other house for its firmness and patriotism. He rejoiced in the demolition of this radical bill. He could not grant his confidence to Ministers. What beneficial measure had they carried? What economy had they enforced ? He would decidedly oppose the motion. Mr. HU aIR concurred entirely with the motion of the noble lord, because the other house had rejected a measure, to which the whole nation looked up.—( Hear, and cries of " Oh I"). He denied that the Ministers had excited me people—the people were of themselves alive to their own interests, and far from needing excitement. What he now thought necessary was to prevent them from asking too much. (Hear.) He (Mr. H.) demanded only that the House of the people should be filled by the repre. sentatives of the people. The opposition talked of delegates, but what were all the nominees who were around him? He regretted the proceeding of the Peers, not because it woo d stop Reform, but because they would now be called on to pass a far more extensive Reform ; he regretted the Peers' blindness and ignorance. They had nut arrested Reform ; Ministers, assisted by the King, and by the people, must be successful. He would be ashamed of the name of Briton, if the people could remain under the oppression of a trifling minority. A hew short weeks would restore them to their rights. He hoped they would be patient during that period. He was not afraid of entrusting power to the people; they would act justly and honestly ; he bad seen thousands as sembled that day, and a more unanimous attachment to mil:lll4.es he had never witnessed. He gave the motion his cordial support. (Cheers.) Mr. T. DU NCOMBE said, the question was rot Lord Brougham's letter or the bankruptcy bills, but whether the people were to have real or sham reform.—( Hear.) They should not allow the sentiments of their constituents to pass unheeded, or let a measure, which had cost them so much time and labour, fall to the ground like a common turnpike bill. They must agree to the resolutions, to tranquillize the public, and to give them hopes of the ultimate success of Reform. He agreed with the gentlemen opposite, that no measure should be carried by a creation of peers ; but then they must 'hew him an alternative—they must meet him half way, and thew him some other means of satisfy ing the people's wishes • otherwise, he was givcn to it. He was the more reconciled to a creation of peers, because he saw amongst the majority against the bill many who had obtained their coronets on account of their influence in the boroughs. He confessed that the remedy would be despe. rate, but not so desperate as the plans of the opposition. He considered that if Ministers were to resign at the present moment, supported as they were by the people, they would betray the confidence so generously reposed in them. On the contrary, they must take every constitutional means of gaining a full representation, confident that on the success of their measure depended public tranquillity. Let them proceed boldly and firmly ; now was not the time to faulter. Let them attend only to their King and the people, and they would be leuecessful, and their memory would be blessed. He supported the resolutions, because they did nothing bit justice to the King and to his Ministers, and beause they were conformably with the wishes of the people.—(Cheers.) Mr. R. TREVOR said, concession bad always been the ruin of anarchies. Concession was the ruin of Charles I. and of Louis XVI. He thanked the Lords for their firmness. He must decline his confidence to Ministers. Their foreign policy was timid and subservient. For their colonial policy he would leave the colonies to speak ; and as to their inter nal administration, Mete had not been such an accumulation of port nage since the days of Walpole. He was ready to support any measure that would secure the liberties of the people, together with the prerogatives of the Crown, and of both Houses. (Hear.) Mr. J. JOIIINSTONE said, on the vote of the House de pended public tranquility. If the people saw that the Mi nisters and the Commons did not abandon them, all would be well ; but if doubts arose on that subject, exasperation would be added to disappointment. Mr. OFFLEY concurred with his constituents, who had come to a resolution that the resignation of Ministers would be a calamity. He hoped his Majesty's Ministers would not pay any regard to political punctilio. (A laugh.) They might depend the people would rot endure an anti.Refonn Ministry. (Hear, hear.) The argument on the other side was, that the system worked well ; but it was the people of England that worked well against the system. (Hear, bor.) Moisten on the great question of Reform had acted nobly by the people, and placed the question in a position from which it could not be mood, and which would secure them the effectual support of a grateful people. (Hear.) Mr. CROKER had wished to have delayed what he had to say till he heard from ministers what were their inten tions; but he supposed they were silent, as they considered themselves the subject of the motion ; a feeling of which he could not disapprove. He was confident his Majesty's Mi nisters were not the authors of the present motion; that they would not throw this additional ingredient into the auddren that was already boiling over. He firmly believed that the member for Preston correctly described the public feel. ing, when he said he could find nobody for the bill, but those who were to get a vote by it. (Heat, hear, and a laugh.) The noble lord who made the motion said die coun. try was alarmed and exasperated, and yet be made a modem that would increase that exasperatioa.Thenoble lord opposite (Lord Althorp) had nothing more to do than to stand up in his place and say thatblinisters were determined to persevere In the Bill, and that would effect with safety all the pre sent motion ought to ecconsplbdt by dangerous means. (Dear, hear.) The Hon. Member for Caine said the law was nut sufficient to restrain the people ; and to strengthen the law, he applied to it every term that was degrading. (Hear, hear, hear.) He entered into a dis cussion to prove to the ramie that laws were totally worthless, except the people were disposed to obey them. (Hear, hear.) That laws could only be supported by public opinion or the mad. Nothing could be more preposterous. Laws were made to preserve us front the sword and public opinion. The public opinion and thrash ing -machines should be destroyed. New Zealand flax should be burned, and steel traps abolished t but his Majesty's mi nisters held a different doctrine. He believed the people were peaceable and disposed to submit to the law ; and he regret.' ted that this debate was forced on the House; for himself he was willing to make any sacrifice to prevent any dis ' turbans in the country, but as the question was forced upon them, they must give it a negative. 31r. SANDFORD said the motion was intended to tran quillize men's minds, and that it would have that effect, and therefore it should have his support.—( Hear, hear.) He did not think the Chancellor of the Exchequer's making a decimation that the government would persevere, would be sufficient in tranquillize the public mind. The people had a right to know that their representatives were determined to support the ministers and their measure of Reform.._( Hear.) Mr. O'CONNHLL said, the Right Hon. Gentleman (Mr. Croker) was quite right in saying the question was faced on the House. It would he forced on both sides of the House by the people. (Rear, h. ar.) The weak and foolish:—he would not say wicke d—decision of the Lords, nude it necessary fbr the House to declare that they would su,mzrt the Bill and the Alittisters by whom alone it could be carried. (Hear.) Every man was now a Reformer—he would be regarded as a monster if he did not profess it.— (Hear.) But it became every honest reformer to come for. ward amid declare his determinetion to support the Bill.— (Hear.) By accident he had lost the speech of the Hun. Member for Boroughbridge ; but having heard him seventy five times on the Bill, he 'supposed he could hardly have heard any novelty of phraseology. —(A laugh.)— The Hon. Member rear him. said Charles and Louis lost their lives because they conceded, and George remained finn en his throne, because he resisted. The hon. member must have read history badly. Charles and Louis lost their lives because they resisted too long, and conceded too late, whet their sincerity could not be relied on. (Hear, hear,) George was never committed with his people in England ; but in America, where he opposed the people, he was obliged to yield. .(Hear, hem.) The present measure was no controversy between the King and the people, but between King and people united, and a sordid oligarchy. (Hear, bear.) It might be too math to ask Tories to read history ; but would they recollec.. their own story Three times that House passed the great charter of Irish freedom.— Three times it was :ejected by tie Lords. Did they sue need in their oppeeition ? No, they were compelled to yield. I (Hoar, hear, hear.) Were the people of England to be told that the people of Ireland knew how to recover their rights ' but they did not, and therefore they should be with. held. Were the thinking people of Scotland, which country was all one rotten borough, to he told that they must be con tent to remain without chewing their representatives? and mild they thick the people of Ireland were less determined to gain the full possession of their rights ? In his own country a man, whose name was never heard there till it was an nounced in the Guile& as a representative of its borough, for which he paid 3,0001. now sat in that House neutralizing hit (Mr. O'C.'s) vote. (Hear, hear, hear.) All England, Scotland, and Ireland were determined to possess their constitutional right of being represented in that House.— (Hear. hear, bear.) It was said that the Lords would give them a new Administration. He would like to see them march into that House. (A laugh.) Would they, when appointed. turn round, as they did on the Catholic question, and become Reformers to save their places ? (Hear, hear, bear.) If the orange flag was to wove over Ireland, and the black flag over Scotland, and the manu facturing districts of England were left boiling with rage at their disappointment, he must be a bold man, and a bad that would refuse to avert the censequences.—(Hear, hear.) The Right Hon. Gentleman asked what was the good of the present motion ? To prevent disappointment becoming despair—(bear, bear)—to pour oil over the agitated waves; and It would have that effect if Masters and the House did their duty.—( Hear, hear.) Col. EVANS said, be would vote for the motion; he be lieved no other GoVernment could be established but the government of the sword, and that lie would resist with the sword. Sir C. WETHERELL said he should move that the hon. gentleman's words be taken down. The SPEAKER called upon Colonel Evans to explain. Colonel EVANS repeated, that if a Government by the sword should be attempted in this country, he would be ready to draw his sword against it. Sir It. PEEL said, nothing could be more unnecessary than to put the hypothetical case of a Government by the sword being attempted in this country. (Hear.) Wu this the way to pour oil on the agitated waves ? (Hear.) The noble lord proposed a resolution which he expected would be supported by those who voted for reform, and which those who voted against it would oppose. He thought it perfectly cantaloupe for both aides to maintain their opinions, and to express them with moderation. When he last expressed his opinion on the question, he also expressed his hope that all the &Mtn' shy it excited would be buried in oblivion. If the majori y thought tit to second their opinion again, he did not mean to enter into the question, though be thought the de claration of that opinion so lately expressed in favour of the bill would be sufficient. The honourable gentleman op posite said, he though' every means should be resorted to for carrying the bill, previously to creating new peers for the purpose ; and that he hoped to see it prevented by their be tel met half way ; and yet the present motion would prevent the supporters of the bill advancing a step to meet their op ponents. In another place it was said that the bill, or some measure equally efficient, would be insisted oa ; and might not a measure, with many modifications, be equally efficaci. ous ? He thought L was not wise to pledge themselves to the leading provisions of the bill. Ile should not ente. into the general merits of the government, but must give his de. cided negative to the resolution that they deserved the con fidence of the House for their conduct on the Reform Bill. He understood that this vote was out ea affect the ministers continuance in office ; but that they were still honoured with the confidence of their Sovereign, and would continue in ad ministration ; that being the case it could not tend to make their government easy to encourage a refusal to pay taxes or to exaggerate the number of public useetings.—(Hear, bear.) Those who voted against the bill must oppose the present motion.—( Hear.) Lord A LTHOR P said he waited till others had expressed their opinions, that if any observations were made tra e t is t e ! e quired an answer he might have the opportunity of giving that answer. The Gentlemen opposite could not be ex pected to piece confidence in Ministers; and the question had been raised whether Ministers were not answerable for the present state of feeling in the country With respect to their financial propositions, he would say, that though some had been withdrawn, the repeal of dudes bad been highly beneficial to the poor.—As to the present state of the collo. try, the Ministers did not feel themselves answerable for that? What was ;he real state of the country when itey came into office ?—(Hear, bear.) The Ministers had not excited the country. They were friendly to Reform, it was true—they had brought forward the Reform Bill from a sense of a duty, but they could not be answerable for the exdt.ment. He, however, was prepared to say, that when be thought the Bill to its full extent could not be carried, he should not hold office one hour longer. (Immense cheer. inn.) When hope on that subject ceased, be should cease to hold office. (Cheering.) He would be no party to the pro posing of a less efficient measure. (Great cheering.) They owed much to the King and much to the people—(hear)— and therefore so long as confidence was reposed iu them, they would endeavour to realise the expectations of his Majesty and the country. While he bad a voice to raise, that voice should be exerted to promote Parliamentary reform. He had only to hope that the people would conduct themselves with order and propriety; if that only were done, the great measure could not be delayed. (Loud cheers.) Dlr. HUNT said they bad no occasion to be afraid of acts of violence ; the press had for months been endeavour ing to cause violence, but bad not succeeded ; then where the grounds ter alarm ? As to the motion, he had proposed it this evening to 3,000 people in Lord Rbringtou's own words, and seven hands were held up for It, and all the rest were lagainst it. (Loud laughter.) He was not satisfied with the bill, and he felt quite sure that It would not have satisfied the country. He declared that the Ministers bad disappointed the country—out of office t attacked the civil list and the' expenditure for Windsor Ge t but hi office they supported he these grants. (Merl uproar, signs of Im pa tience, such as groans, oh's, ac.) If he were not to be heard he would move an adjournment, would any one second it? (A laugh.) He then preareded *gain, declaring that the people would not be lathed with the bill. But my Lord Brougham was I dragged sheet in his earriagenow that was what he had been ashamed of for the last ten yean. He was ashamed of what was so disgraceful and contemptible. (Continued laughter.) On the subject of the bill the people had been grossly deluded. Nothing would satisfy the people but householder suffrage, and triennial Parliaments, and he would join any party that would support any thing like a principle of Worm. Lorti EDI! INGTON rose to reply. lie thought that which had occurred within the last twenty-four hours proved there was no abatement in the desire of th e _ people for Par. liamentary reform. (Hear, hear.) He had only to hope that the people would continue to act with their exemplary patience. Strangers were then ordered to withdraw for the division. The numbers were— For the motion .. .. 310 Against it ... ... .. 198 Majority • . 131 The result was rcceivAl by the House with lumen's cheering. The other orders of the day were then disposed of, and the House adjourned at Half.past Two. FOREIGN INTELLIGENCE. EXPRESS FROM PARIS-THIS DAY. We learn that the Bishop of Vannes, consulted by the Trappists, has protested against the occu pation of their convent by the armed force. It appears even that the country has manifested its indignatien against these acts of violence which carry a double blow at property and religious institut ions.— Quotidienne. The Revolution promises to re-appear on Wed nesday next. BERLIN, OCT. I.—Eight hundred and seventy individuals have been attacked with cholera, at Berlin, up to the 30th September ; one hundred and ninety-four have recovered health, five hun dred and fifty-nine are dead, and one hundred and seven are in treattnent.—Casette de Prune. A traveller, recently arrived from Prussia, affirms that all the authorities of that country, and even the innkeepers, have received the description of the celebrated Lelewell, member of the Na tional Government of Warsaw, and chief of the conspiracy which burst out on the 29th of No vember, in order to have him arrested. He i, justly considered as one of the most devoted and most decided men of Poland. The Russian Go vernment appears impatient to exercise its ven geance upon him.—Courrier Francais. WARSAW, SEPT. 20. —The Gazette of War saw gives a list of officers and military employes, which have not followed the Polish army, and who have again taken an oath of fidelity to his Majesty the Emperor : amongst that number are Generals Isidor Kransinski,Jean Malletzki,Lucas Bieganski, Antoine Dsrweki, Pierre 13ontems, Jean Tomizki, and Antoine Palow•ski. General Woznikin, Prince Galezyn, and the Councillor Wayda, have arrived at Warsaw. The cholera has nearly entirely disap peared in the military hospitals of Warsaw, and for some days few persons have been attacked. New in formation has been received respecting the corps of Rozyzki ; a' ter having suffered a new check, it has endeavoured to retreat into the palatinate of Cra cow; but it is doubted whether this project will succeed. The last attempt of the Polish army of Medlin, which wished to retire into Cracow by Plozk, has equally miscarried. When the corps had passed the Vistula, near Plock, and reached Gombin, the soldiers deserted by bands, and the chiefs not judging it proper to engage in new com bats, preferred returning to Plozk. It is said that they have just made their definitive submission at Warsaw.—Gazette de Prusse. VIENNA, SEPT. 27.—The Emperor gives audiences this week as usual, and has come to the city to examine the works of the grand canal, but without stopping a Burg ; he returned immediately to Schcenbrunn. The corps of General Ramo riuo, which has Taken refuge upon our territory, will not be sent into the interior of the kingdom, but placed in surseillance upon the frontiers until such time as circumstances will permit its being sent back to Poland. The Polish contest will not be long, we hope, in being terminated to the faction of all parties, with the exception perhaps of the eccentric liberals of France and England, whom no government will ever content. The late events of France have produced no effect upon our Bourse. The Funds mount continually. We are now accustomed to see the populace of Paris in commotion upon every occasion, and we are astonished even that it has not made more of late.—Correspondent de Nurembury. There arrive at Paris many rich families from Vienna and Berlin, who fly before the cholera. It appears that at Vienna the cholera, though at tacking more persons, is however, less fatal than at Berlin. In the first of these cities, the malady has been fatal, up to the 27th of September, to 461 upon 1206 attacked, whilst at Berlin there has perished up to the 30th Sept. 559 upon 870. Le Temps. VIEN NA , SEPT. 28.—Up to 23d Sept. the num ber of persons attacked by the disorder in all Hun gary, was 254,489 ; of these 117,782 had died, 93,502 recovered, and 43,205 were still under the hands of the physicians. Numerous furloughs are granted in the army, which has tended to lessen the reports of war. The corps of Romariso has laid down its arms, and measures are already taken to deliver them up to the Russian army. The corps has 7,000 horses and 38 pieces of cannon. Let ters from Trieste say, that the accounts from Syra give hopes of an amicable agreement between the Greek nation and its government. Count Capo d'lstria having at length consented to call a na tional assembly, the elections for which have already commenced. VIENNA, SEPT. 28.—0 n the 26th there remained 460 persons ill of the cholera. New eases. Recoveries. Deaths. Sept. 27. QL Sept. 28. 44 Rennin 435. 39 33 Since the beginning of the disorder the whole number of cues is 1250; recoveries 332 ; deaths 480. BUENOS AYRES, JULY 9.—On the 7th a mail from Cordova arrived, and brought most interest ing intelligence. A treaty of peace was signed on the 30th May, between the Province of Cordova and Gen. Lopes, on the pan of the Confederate forces. General Lopes entered Cordova on the 9th ult. attended by a splendid retinue, and in the midst of incesssant acclamations of the people. THE 1 - 04-'g' 7l ''FAß. LONDON, TUESDAY, OCT. 11. Ows o'Claci, Tins DAY.—Thermometer, 62. Ba. roamer, 29-71. ,Weather, cloudy. 'Wi n d S.W. The convulsion which now pervades the kinz dom from one end to the other, is to be regarded as the immediate work of the Boroughmongering Oligarchy, in the Upper House. It is not the fault of the Bill, but of its insolent rejection; and the Majority are alone accountable for all the mis chiefs and inflictions which may ensue. :Other men besides themselves are made of flesh and blood, and the rejection of a Bill calculated to consolidate the liberties, and most important interests of the Empire, after all the anxiety which its concoction and progress has created, i, palpably more than flesh and blood can bear. In other columns we have stated various facts, indicative of the feelings of this great town; but facts are cold resemblances of the reality. TI R , people hold in too much contempt the authris of this wrong, and therefore passed their mansions with derision and bye-words ; but there never was an occasion in this metropolis in which a similar universal excitement prevailed, than was witnessed in all the principal thoroughfares last night. There was no deficiency of muscular strength to do mischief; but happily a better feeling seemed to govern the populace. A confident reliance was generally placed on the good dispositions of the SovEREIG w on the throne, and is the unequivocal patriotism of the Ministers; and lessons to this effect had been repeated in so many public assem blies during the day, that they appeared to have sank deep in the minds of all classes. To have vented their indignation against the houses or per sons of particular individuals, was agreed to be a distinction which none of them merited. An English gentleman of singularly good intel ligence, who has just arrived from Italy, assures us that the authority of the POPE is now limited to the City of Rome only, in which even his power is very equivocal. He considers the tem poral authority of the POPE as utterly extinct. An official communication has been made by the Minister for Foreign Affairs at Brussels, to the effect that the Kum of HOLLAND, after holding a Council, had agreed to prolong the armistice to the 25th of October, at noon. The sentiments of London are manfully expressed in the various resolutions of the public meetings, which consisted of all the great bodies that could be collected together yesterday. Others are an nounced to day and to-morrow and before the end of the week full seven-eighths of the house keepers of London will have become parties in the purest patriotic sentiments. Of their firmness and perseverance we entertain no doubt , and we ere sure that London will be an example to the whole nation in this respect ; and will nut relax its ex ertions till the Bill is carried. The House of Commons—the last hope of the nation—met under a Call which secured a fill attendance; and Lord Es RI N Grow, after an able and eloquent speech, proposed some declare• tory resolutions in accordance with the teals out of doors. This was as it should be, and hence out of doors that general care not to violate the law, and confound their parliamentary friends, in a pure cause, with law-breakers. The debate was distinguished by its feeling and animation—tbe boroughmongers seeming to be inspired with now hopes, while the friends of Reform proved that they lost none of their confidence in success. The, Resolutions moved by his Lordship were as follows; and for this time, at least, the House of Commons and the people of England are identified: That while this house laments the present state of a Bill for introducing a reform into the Commons House of Par. 'lament, In favour of which the opinion of the country stands unequivocally pronounced, and which has been matured by discussions the most anxious and the most laborious, It feels itself most imperatively called upon to reassert its firm adherence to the principles and leading provisions of that great measure, and to express its unabated confident* in the integrity, perseverance, and abili:y of those Ministers who, in introducing and conducting it, so well consuhel the best interests of the country. On the same side, Mr. Macauley made a very spirited speech ; also Mr. Sheil, Mr. Littleton, Mr. Hun e, Mr. T. Duncombe, Mr. Wiley, Mr. O'Con nell, and Colonel Evans. On the other side ap peared Mr. Goulburn, Sir C. Wetherell, and Sir H. Peel. Lord Althorp closed the debate with declarations in regard to the feelings and intentions of Ministers. His words are too important to be omitted in this place : " It may be necessary, mid be, that I should state frankly and freely on the subject. For myself, 1 declare that units I felt a reasonable hope, that a measure as efficient as +bet recrntly passed in this House might be secured by our ten* tinuance in office, I would not continue in office an hour.. — (Hear.) Whenever that hope ceases, 1,111 cease to hold ofkr Both my colleagues sod myselfowe too much to our SorettitTa —we ate too deeply indebted for the kindness, the candour. the frank sincerity which we have uniformly experitemi from him, to desert the service of the.Klng while his MsjettY ' thinks our services valuable, and we ourselves think we can advantageously serve his Majesty. (Hear, hear.) B ut we can no longer serve his Majesty advantageous!, if at sacrifice our character. Whatever may the consequent" of our retirement, it is oar duty not to sacrifice our chi. racier. We owe also a great deal to the people' We have been supported by the people in the most Wido w manner. The people have a right to demand that we *al not desert them while our stay in office can conduce to their benefit. Sir, I will further state, that I will not be aPM to the proposal of any measure lees efficient than that hwif passed in this House. (Hear, hear.) Ido not mere to 07 that after the discussion and consideration which the fie' sure underwent, some modification may not be made In it atm Pari 'it !•a elk Mu cut] *PP Peol Cif Mel thai you *ion whi , Are and had the witl plai me pre Clllll 0013 H this very tune r C. Wetherell, and Sir ---- 7 an s closed the debate with few be feelings and intentions revel are too important to be the c to e bit, that I should state frankly Juno a myself, 1 declare that unless Ai B measure as efficient as riut held might be secured by our con. then t continue in office an hour,— Grer eases, I will cease to bold office. owe too much to our Sovereign for the kindness, the candou r. Ci I have uniformly experienced the s of the. King while his ?shiest/ . and sad we ourselves think we they ajesty. (Hear, hear.) But the I Majesty advantageously if sc M dieid atever may the consequences lacy not to sacrifice our the to th at deal to the peoPk• We people to the most Widow 78j At to demand that we abthiLl Titre 111 of can conduce to their Tbre, Titre its, that I will not be aWY Pit I 1 lan edition than that Well I war.) Ido sot moo to 10 1 , do. Ji oaskleradea which the ow Old j * 040 atlas tatty not be made in ai Alum