Star. — London, England, 1823-07-05 00:00:00

MOM , *tight to remain for the punishment of profane works. But, on the other hand, Ile had observed, and their, Lordships knew, in many cases, both recent and re corded, how far the misguided zeal of prosecution had defeatedits own object. Among the Petitioners were, he understood, some Clergymen of the Estab. lished Church, who deprecated an violent meaftres in prosecuting the impugners of the Christian faith, and all vindictive steps taken in defence of Christia nity. They considered such measures as contrary both to the doctrine and example of Jesus Cuntir. Unna tural importance was thus given to all sceptical argu ments. Doubts were created in serious minds, where no doubts would otherwise have taken root. Eccle siastical history was replete with the ill effects of re ligious persecution. The petitioners, on these and other accounts, now prayed their Lordships to take into their consideration the prosecutionswhich had been instituted, and the penalties which had been inflicted, in defence and vindication of that religion which called for the support of no secular arm, but which, fixed on the rock of ages, would survive the wreck of worlds.—The above Petition was fully read, re ceived, and laid upon the table of the House. MARRIAGES AIIIROAD. The Earl of LAUDERDALE now moved that the Bill, rendeaing valid such British Marriages as had• been contracted and celebrated in Russia since the dissolution of the English Factory there, should be read a third time. Lord HOLLAND took this opportunity of remind ing•their Lordships that he had, upon a former night, intimated his intentionnf proposing a Bill for the le galisation of all Marriages contracted by the subjects of,tbe United Kingdom sn foreign parts. He ap prehended that the present Bill might, by a very short alteration, be so enlarged as to comprehend all mar riages that-wee solemnised in the Chapels or houses of our Ambassadors by the Chaplain to the Embassy in foreign parts, between the subjects of this country iii any case. The Esri of LIVERPOOL said, that he certainly felt no manner of objection to the Noble Baton's pro posed clause: but as the present Bill had only a given scope, grounded on a Petition to their Lordships, he considered the clause rather too strong, prospectively and retrospectively, to be inserted at the present stage of the Bill. If it were thought proper to entertain the clause, the better course for their Lordships would be to recommit the Bill. The more regular course, however, would be to suffer the present Bill to pass just as it stood; and afterwards the Noble Baron might propose a short Bill. ' Lord ELLENBOROUGH said, that their Lord ships were aware that the present Bill did nct com prise such marriages as happened to be celebrated by larglish Clergymen when not solo - sullied in the Cha pels of our Ambassadors. The Duke of WELLINGTON here expressed a ,'wish that some provision should be made for render ing more valid the marriages of English Officers when . contracted in foreign part,. He knew that it was the wish of our officers, to obtain some security on this point, as much uneasiness was felt. The Earl of LAUDERDALE thought, with re fererice to some suggestions thrown oat, that it would be difficult to legalise old marriages which were so lemnised by English Clergymen sn foreign pans. The law already had provided for the validity of such titan iages when solemnised in the houses of our Am bassadors, or within the circumscription of military camps ;brut it would be an innovation to provide for the legality of foreign marriages, when solemnised ise any place even by NI inisters of the Established Chinch. The Earl of .HARROWny *as anxious that the full attention of their Lordsltips might be confined to the object of the present Bill. Lot d COLCHESTER rose tea point of proceeding as it concerned the House. Iledeprecated the prac- tice, which appeared to, be growing up, of intermixing fresh matter of discussion in such stages of particular, Bills. This practice, if not checked in time, would be found most inconvenient to the dispatch of the business of the House. ' Lord HOLLAND - withdrew his intended clause. The abOve English Marriages-in Russia Validity Bill was accordingly read a third time, passed, and messaged to the other House. 24 lEW BEER. The Earl of LI VERPOOLmcved the tbird reading of the New Beer Bill. Lord ELLENBOROUGH said that he bad risen for the purpose of moving their lA-isliips to leave out a certain clause in the present 1311 which pressed upon one particular strength of beer of a particular kind : so that in fat nothing was so little proportioned as the tat upon' malt. He should prefer some tax imposed on the brewer, or that a regular per centage' should be imposed on a barrel of beer. If it were supposed that the brewing of the new beer Was 'likely to be any boon to the Public, it would burn out a very great mistake; as, if the quality of theme , beer should be increased one-sixth, the Public - would have to pay one•third of the duty. If, moreover, the new breweries were to mix the intended new beer with weak ale, at the rate of five barrels of the for mer to three bat rels and a half of the latter, the pro fit by such an admixture would amount to 6.55, When their Lordships but recollected what capital had been invested in ale breweries, they must see the hardship of preventing them from brewing the new beer, unless they engaged new premises for that brewery, as the table-beer brewer. was already at a, loss ; and therefore, should the present Bill pass into a law, it was probable that there would be no such beverage as table•treer at all. Under this impres sion, he hoped that the clause at page 5 of the pre tent Bill, compelling the brewers of the new beer to engage new premises for brewing, would be aban -4000. His entire wish was directed to the omission Of a clause so 'unfavourable to the regular interests of the dark,' and, hada (*Wed, so unlikely to benefit the Public at large. Lad J3EXLEY said, that the Noble Lord's regret, as to the disappearance of table beer would amount to sornOkipgrAf it were not notorious that this hew rage, which he was informed went under the by. same of " swipes," an epithet, however, he did not t aderstand, had become no longer palateable or re freigsing. It was one object of the present Bill, there fore, to introduce a new and wholesome beer for re spectable families, who were not accustomed to porter or even to table-ale at their meals, but who wished for some beverage of an intermediate kind. With this view, and to facilitate the great object of the bill, it was necessary to give to the new brewet t that ifcement to bray in this t object of tbßill Wes hiaerto •mittr tu ave • ` ofany o stre or enable the Government the uadtdutes. present, the brewer was not, , emu pelted to produce his beverage at anygiven strength, but he was, on the contrary, left to act in this respect just as it pleated birn. With respect to the hardship of providing that the nevi breireries:shosid be upon new premises, and quite separate, this prOvision was necessary, to the production of an entirely new beer; and as to the hardship of the clause so complained of, let their Lordships look, under this restriction, what lay in the power of the existing brewer, who might still avail himself of the capital he possessed, and also of his utensils, while partners were most likely to of fer to embark in this particular branch of trade. Un der such circumstances as these, it would be quite impossible for the newer brewers to enter into any competition with men established in brewing. H. hoped that the result of this experiment would be to insure to the Public a new and wholesome drink, while at the same time it laid a foundation for esti mating the apportioning of the duties on malt. Lord DACRE was satisfied in some degree with the explanation of the Noble Lord; but he disliked* mere philosophical experiment for the production •f new beer. Why not exclude the table beer at once, and then prohibit the mixing of other beers? It was not to be expected that the new speculators in brew• eries would be able to change the habits of the people, and therefore he expected worse beer upon the whole for the present Bill. The Earl of LIVERPOOL was convinced that the only chance for the Public at length having a good article was to make the new beer a separate concern. If all beersswere brewed as at present, and together, in mixed breweries, the people had no chance. If that specific clause of separating breweries were left out, the great capitalists might easily come in and defeat the object of the Bill. Lord ELLENBOHOUGH said that it was deter mined to pass the Bill. The great consolation for the brewers was, therefore, that it the Bill passed, the new! beer would be so bad that nobody would drink it. The question being put, the New Beer Bill was read a third time, passed, and messaged to the other House. Upon the motion of the Earl of Ltvealoor., the Tithes Com mutation (Ireland) Bill was ordered to be printed, and also to be read a second time on Tuesday. The second reading of the Irish Insurrection Act was post poned to Monday, and their Lordships were ordered to be sum moned for that day. Tie Marquis of LANSDOWN gave notice that he intended to move the second reading cf the Ireland Roman Catholic Of fices Qualification on Wednesday next. The LORD CIIANCELLOR.—" There are two Bills, my Lords, upon the table. which appear to me to require grave die. cussion. I refer to the Bill (Irk.laud Tithes Commutation) the second reading of which has just been mentioned by a Noble Friend (Liverpool); and to another NU (Roman Catholic Qua lification), which is fixed for another stage by a Noble Marquis (Lausdown) on Wednesday. I can only say, that at this very late period of the Session, two Bills of such importance ate un ht to lie discussed ; and upon these distirket grounds I certainly shall object to both of the Mills, when they come before your Lordships in another stage." Adjourned at Seven &Clock, to Monday. HOUSE OF COMMONS. The H ouse w a s summoned by the Deputy- Usher of the Black Rod to the House of Peers, to bear the Royal Assent given by Commission to certain Bills. (Vide Lords' report.) .31r. WY N DRAM LEWIS presented a Petition from the Corporation of Swansea, praying for a Repeal of the Coal Duties. —Laid on the table, and ordered to be printed. The Irish Law Expenses Bill was read a second time, and or dered to be committed on Monday next. Mr. BROGDEN brought up the Report on the Malicious Injuries Bill, and on the Exchequer Courts Bill; the Resolutions were severally agreed to, and the Bills ordered to be read a third time on Monday. The Cork General Sessions Bill was read a second time, and ordered to be committed on Monday next. The Exchequer Bills Bill was read a third time, and passed. Mr. ELLISON presented a Petition from South Shields, against the Reciprocity of Duties Bill, and a Petition from cer tain Wool-growers against the Repeal of the Duties on Foreign WooL—Laid on the table. The Barilla Duties Bill, the Equalization of Duties Bill, and the English and Irish Castilian Duties Bill, were read a third time and passed. Mr. HUME moved for the appointment of a Select Commit tee' to consider any and what improvement may be effected in thexiode of engrossing Bills.—Agreed to. On the motion for the third reading of the Irish Tithe Com position Bill, Mr. CA LCRAFT said, that finding if he pressed the hoer don of the compulsory clause it might retard the Bill, and being very desirous to see it in operation, be should forego the ioten don he had formed of introducing that clause. As he was sure that iu the neat Session the Bill must be considerably altered, from its imperfect nature at present (and here he meant no imputa tion on the Right Ilan. Gentleman opposite), he should postpone until that period his proposal for adding those provisions which ware necessary to complete the measure. Mr. M. FITZGERA LD having been one of the first to bring the subject of Irish Tithes before the House, could not resist the opportunity which was afforded him of expressing his capita tion at the success of the present measure. He felt it just tasty, that he thought the country was much indebted for it to his Ma jesty's Ministers, sad he hoped that no alterations would be made elsewhere which would have the effect of defeating its wise pro visions. (Hear.) After a few words from Mr. V. Fasasaa.Ln, Colonel TaaEcn, Mr. H. IlulcurNsoo, Mr. Assacsomar, and Lord A. Nairn.- Ton, the Bill was read a third time. Mr. GOULBURN brought up a clause to enable the Lord Lieutenant, in case of appeal, to refer the decision to the next going Judge of Assize in the county in which the parish should be situate. The clause was added to the Bill by way of rider, and the Bill then passed. NSW SOUTH WALES ant.. Mr. BEN NET said, that as the New South Wales Bill stood for committal that evening, he thought there could be no ob jection to allow the Bill to be committed pus form, and to fix Monday next for the third reading, when the discussion of the merits of the Bill might be gone into. Mr. WILMOT-lIORTON said that he had no objection to r allow the Bill to be committed proforma that evening, and as he two new clauses to bring up, be hoped that they would be ed to be read a Ant sold second time, and then the discos cupon the whole Bill Alen come on upon Monday evade. ' r. Secretary FEEL said that the consideration of the aniecol.' meats of the Lords to the Prison Discipline Bill, which. Iliad for Monday, would form a proper preface to the disitsehin of the New South Wales Bill. 1011 A) CATHOLIC QUALIPICATIOII BILL Lord Ik.IUGENT moved the third reading at the BM for se. curing to English Catholics the same privileges at id by the Catholics of Ireland. The Bill was read a third time and passei. - A Message from the Lords annanatk ifid tbiit Dirdships bad agreed to the Beer DUI without raymeeetionete. RiCIPROCITY OF DOTI= TILL. Mr.C.6RANT moved the Order of the Ray for the third reading of the ReciprocitT of Duties Mr. ROBERTSON entered into an explanation. of the objections which be entertained to the Bill. He __ pi us principle was nizlenger applicable. The House had had experience that other nations would not be regu lated by them, nor would they remove their restric• tions in conformity with the removal of our own. But if this country removed its own restrictions in the hope of inducing other nations to do the same, and then, upon being disappointed in that hope, wished again to impose them, it would probably find itself en gaged in a war before that object could be accom plished. He implored the House most earnestly to hesitate before they agreed to a measure which, when once adopted, could not be revoked without drawing down upon this country the hostility of those Powers who had suffered so much inconvenience, perhaps from the very excellence of our present system. The Ilon. Member, in conclusion, moved as an amend ment that the Bill should be read a third time this day three months. Mr. Alderman THOMPSON seconded the amend ment. There could, he thought, be no good reason for placing foreign ships on the same footing with our own, unless we also derive some advantage from the more extensive adoption of a liberal policy in other countries. The House would recollect that if a vessel lost but one sail in distant seas she could not have the loss supplied without paying a duty of £5O per cent. for it.—The question was then put from the Chair. ' Mr. WALLACE said, that the Navigation Laws were adopted for a particular purpose, to suppress the formidable powers of a dangerous rival ; but that object having once been accomplished, the necessity for these laws ceased, and from that time up to the present moment these laws were daily undergoing some relaxation. No country bad ever in the history of commerce obtained commercial distinction, and held that distinction for any length of time, without adopting a liberal policy in her commercial charac ter. But this was no theoretical improvement, it was actually adopted because ether nations had pursued' the plan we set them; they had followed our exam. ple, they had retaliated, and we must necessarily re tract. It was to counteract these measures that this Bill was introduced. There were but two ways of proceeding to accomplish this object, one by the equa lisation of duties, which this Bill proposed—and se condly, by the imposition of duties, additional duties, which must end in a short time in the suspension of our shipping interest; or if imposed upon goods, by the imposition of a similar duty by foreigners upon our goods. There was a third mode—by a bounty to the foreigner; but that must put it in the power of a foreign country to impose a tax upon this country for the benefit of its own shipping or its manufac turing interest. Was that the course Gentlemen would recommends and if not, he knew no course more effec tual than that proposed by the present Bill—the equa lisation of duties between this country and other na tions. He saw nothing to apprehend from this measure. —The Hon. Member who had spoken last, went into a variety of evidence re prove, that wages were lower in other countries. It was perfectly true that an En glish seaman's wages were higher than a foreigner's when they were both able seamen ; but the House must remember, that the crew of a vessel was made up of various classes of seamen and apprentices, who had merely nominal wages, when they were really for the last two years of their service just as efficient seamen as the most experienced. Besides, the cele rity with which an English ship performed her voyage was to be considered, and it would turn out, that, by that very dispatch, the expense of victualling and of wages was diminished, and thus the expense was ren dered much less than attended upon the voyage of a foreign vessel. Novi there was one circumstance which, in his mind, proved abundantly, that ships were not built in foreign countries at so much lower a price than they could be raised in England; and that was,' that a number of our ships had lately been purchased by those countries in which it was said they might be built, and were actually built, so much more reasonably. The shipping interest called out for protection, and he saw that call in a Petition of shipowners now lying on the table. But had they no protection ? Had they not the whole of the coast trade, with other advantages? If the whole trade could be carried on by foreigners cheaper than by our selves, the result Would be that we should become the carriers to our prejudice; and, to avoid that, it was necessary to take measures to compete with them ; a protecting duty alone, then, sTas all we had left us to secure a fair . proportion fso valuable a trade. Mr. 'I. WILSON said, he had no objection to pro tect commerce; but this Bill would go far to annihi late it. If we could navigate as cheaply as foreigners, then this Bill would be one of reciprocity; under existing eircu* i stances'it was not. Mr. Hung supported the Bill, because it was ne- Cessary in order that we might be able to compete with the foreign carriers. Mr. BRIGHT wished a subject of such great im portance to be referred to a Committee before they Wee to any decision. • Mr. RICARDO thought that the English builder ahnuldb e pn t " an Pon d he f as e n l e t a b r i a m f r t elf i cal ng led uponias possible supe le o with the fore i gner; port this Bill. Mr. MARRYATT contended, that wherever the to ri th nci e f st ie ri a on a s in ß it l iry la mm o e f esa til o b li r e d r , p r s hsec h res iii t n t g was yda i . nt o a ir ted ubc ;. ° Ou n' r it N ile ao d viga M ti r. ml H L U a rßl w f3Bo ere ginguace. aneed to ,ostrestc this s ß u ju poLt io `th b e y. p on ati y e thiog nee of 4r th e e aromen and House — unopposed sanc. cloned as ita , pelactple was by the • at an go. reit duse n s T on ra b ele uildi e rig me materi llon tdi . lho mnbeni uld be w re i teal ed ed tha ;" an th d e if that could bas acted, he did not deny it would be desirable. spare so aiuch from llstwerethey to its.woomaitoutt sad ;until cold foreign Powers . to retaliate upon Cur patrol trade? Other Hon. Mepabers wisbed to balrethU Bill delayed till neat Ressima; but delay on anyin:clinics *Old lead to the rnest.pernicious results. It was notsnesali shippintinteiet, great and important as ,which waswaicereed -in the reciprocity of Duties-- but the general security of commerce. If foreign relaxed in the strictness of their cqmmt-111 is, it became our interest to meet them wi ts • dispositions. a few words from Mr. S. Woo :cry, the Roos: be* t numbers were— For the Bill 73 • Against it ....... .......... . If , , Majority • 4 / 10 • • • ---- SLAV. &AWL LUSHINGTON moved thithiler dasß 3 , for the Hoitsit_resolving itself into . ...is _Committ ee the Slave Trade' Consolidation Bill: He objected the clause at present in use Big, which permitted th unrestrained exportation cf slaves from the West h, dia Colonies. The effect of the amendment which Lr intended to submit would be to permit the transfe r o slaves from one island to another, subject to theap, proval of the respective Governors of these w ait. He detailed the reasons on. which this amend was founded, and concluded by a motion, the u s. stance of which was, that by an Order of Counc il, the exportation of slaves from the West India Colo. .vies should be prohibited, from May, 1b26, but u u2 this prohibition should have immediate operatio4 respect to the Island of Trinidad?' Mr. WILMOT-HORTON opposed the argnm et of the Hon. and Learned Member, and proposed, i t . stead of the clauses contended fur by the lion. as i Learned Member, that His Majesty's Governese g should be entrusted with power to authorise then, moval of slaves from one Colony to another, in ca t of the removal being for the benefit of the slave( Mr. WILBERFORCE supported the ci.ithe removal. Mr. MARRYATT admitted that the removali the slaves might be useful ; yet he would cnat er 4 that the arguments of the Hon. and Learned Genii man referred lees to Trinidad than to any other L. long in the West Indies. • Mr. W. SMITH contended that the slaves °ni t , to be employed in the cultivation of their natal Cols nies, not in that of places to which they. had a attach ment. Mr. CANNING had no objection to the remonl of slaves from one colony to another, provided it ns not done foi the purpoie of selling them. He wists.l the transfer. from one inlony to another should be th* of the whole concern...and Ant of the slaves The removal of .0* .slirt•skeught to be sane 'solely when it would be nqt only for their that of the colony, Sir J. MACKI' mission to tear old colonies into . Mr. HUMS argued under proper regulat;- , tinamed by every law • Jdr. CANNING 'ditettesioit on the clai brought up. Dr. LUSIIING. ponement of the discussion. The other clauses resumed, the Report The Convicts' Regulate tee, and several amendments resumed, and the committed on Monda' The other Orders House adjourned at ' TIDE . SAM& STOCK Coasob opened , kept steady up to thleisour. early part of the day, New Spanish Bonds 511, with little doing ' Current Prices :--f Man NM ft Unit,ll lombian 51i. PRICE OF S per Cent. Reduced Bank Long Annr l t ridia Bonds 44e. Exchequer Bills Ditto Small 255. Consols for Account THE The Account ing this day will 41 the receipt of our Readers on highest degree The amount about 0,091,1 1 the last year they [ L £145,068. It Tonnage Duties, annually, have , to kw" Or real Quarter, wrought Duties ' , ca. £4o,ooo—makias £ 18 5 . 100 1 . 1 • .. " • - In tke t'l fides there spoons, at Ant 4 iler to a Arum link amount for the presentitir sr: wal no much eaCMirtg,6oo,ooo; for the cap' eitcaitling periodofh4t yeai they prOuced AiAti!,7 ll Is necessary, however, to recollect, that sine!lag . Several large reductions have taken place .f • 'Basin Duties.—Fa instance, there bee la n•- nuai abatement*Aidas Of £135,000; on Mikie £450,000 ; ca 01404,500; consider/MI more than I : l X44 4oo fr4falsr.h . 4r gi r and have Shan jistars:l!:g or , gratulation, as . . lesseilik ,lPll productit ,: 1 7 !1 11 7 5-t. r w " WU* ble qu. • , .° a sort of exclusive privilege 'atainell that the Navigation Li t ers bad I?gen the Powers be might theeeby feel deitiedofbe greatness of thisfenikeVdtkat his partica)ir 111.1'• Another ' Ong* not t 9 be_ induced /Ito abandlin'lkele similar I Was at reelliip' all restraints, ' - Procder to ans*er die Views** politbsil eceie- After a Ifstems, e prohibittplierbduction el A s l ong as the rules of political econorors, whet the quality *M §7' sp doing, to w ainfined to the riquoval of restrictioni op invdei • more satisfactorily and surely' ' - lia the internal regulation or this country, lie hides' All =Vet" were M &go along with them ; but when they operated not, as the distiller was, co,- so as to place - us in contact with other States, the Dr. I, _ _ _ .• _u_ •rn.- 1.1"..m hart r__ .L_ I . • • oncern. _and Ain of the slaves aloe )f iiie ,51ivp5 . ..:304 to be banrtioei ✓ould be wit g for their benefit* • .; KINI'OSII-wiffeatful that diets love saves would tend to create* o nurseries . for.e usiy . slave trade. -sued in favour el the removal of the she lations, which be considered would be as sr of humanity. 0 suggested the propriety of postponing 6 :louse for removal until the Report ahodie 3TON agreed to the suggestion for diem!, iseussioa. es were then agreed to, and the House haat at was ordered to be received on Tursaty tegulation• Bill was considered in the Co nendments having been agreed to, the 818 was ordered to be printed, and to he nday next. era of this Day were then agreed to, at Two • . • E EVENING STAR::- . • LONDON. . 13RDAY, JULY S. 1823. THE FUNDS. K EXCHANGE. TWELVE O'CLOCK. this =ening at al, at which price they ita thirbotte. Some great Wee were made ix* FORETON FUNDS. loads opened at 311 to 52, and fell *no oing In the Market. :—Chilian 67, New Spanish EMI, New Fre a 92, !Danish ST ea. div. Neapolitan 77; C* OF STOCKS AT ONE O'CLOCK. / cluced 81 1 4-4 per .Cts. Old 984414 nnuities 20% 13.16 •. 1 is. 465. pr.—Lottery Tickets IS Is (#3,000) 245. 275. pr. is. 275. pr.—Bank for Acct. el% :count 82% 4 34. QUARTER'S REVENUE. ." 4 nt of the Revenue for the Quarter • pill not be closed till tho ;sten .. of Custom; but, as we annousra m Thursday, it promises to be it e satisfactory. it of the Cuero's: for this OW" ,171. In the correspoudragrfl hey amounted to 4 1 916,1 it is to be illoreed, beside% 0/.. which sea io yield about. • e been repealed since lit year;' , .: sal proportional inert* on the ,$ • .. - en add one -foisetls of dips • msluitt -OW • • • I 1 iiilimm.