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`----_ 0.,---;- -- ,---- - Ntr 0 'IEIS 10.590. -------- FARLIAMENTARY PROCEEDINGS. HOUSE OF LORDS, JANUARY 31. c o ed were beard in the Appeal of Lynch v. Lord (ton- I liffilP ogke of DEVONSHIRE presented a Petition from a t won o f Derby, praying that her M a j ert y 's name mi g ht be "" e d to the Liturgy, and that no further proceedings should T ot i t sted aSainst her.—Ordered to lie on the table. • !FOREIGN TRADE. Lord GRANVILLE presented a Petition from itoislem in Staffordshire, praying for the removal a s p R es trictions on Foreign Trade. th e Marquis of LANSDOWN said, it was his i n tention in the course of last Session to have sub mitred to the House a motion respecting the Foreign T r ade of this Kingdom, and the trade in timber kin foreign countries. He should, however, take the earliest opportunity of bringing this subject be fere the House, and put some qiiesticins to the Noble g o t oppOsite, respecting that important branch of nermintnercial affairs; and he was sure the Noble Evl would feel every disposition to make such corn ounfeations to the House as would serve to eluci date this subject. The Earl of LIVERPOOL said, he entirely agreed in the principle entertained by the Noble Marquis, and felt that it was most essential to have this ques ting) fully discussed in the present Session. The sys tem of the Timber Trade was one of a very fluctu ating nature, and one that ought to be very fully considered. At the time when the Noble Marquis moved for a Committee on the Foreign Trade last year, a similar motion had been made in the other House of Parliament. The Committee which had been appointed to consider the subject, had felt that some further information was necessary before they could give any opinion on it, and the delay which took place in making . a Report, he attributed to the shortness of the Session, which would not allow it. Whenever the Noble Marquis should make any mo tion on this subject, lie (Lord Livei pool) would be ready to give him every information in his power. The Marquis of LANSDOWN adverted to the Acts of the 54th and 56th of his late Majesty, rela tive to the Trade in Foreign Timber ; and observed, that so many doubts still existed as to the construe tint of those Acts, and the subject of the trade alto gether, and the duties, that be conceived it was abso hitely necessary to have a clear understanding upon it. .The Petition was then ordered to lie on the table, aid the conversation dropped. POLICY OP TUE CONTINENTAL POWERS. The . Earl of LIVERPOOL observed, that in the owe of a former debate, a Noble Lord (Grey) had abided to a Paper coming from the Allied Sove rip on the Continent, respecting the state of Eu rope, which was addressed to the other Powers of /mope. The Noble Lord, on that occasion, had put several questions, which be (btord Liverpool) ell` deavoured to answer to the best of his knowledge. He did at that time tell the Noble Lord that there Was a Paper in possession of his Majesty's Govern ment, which would explain all the steps that had been taken by his Majesty's Government respecting the affairs of the Sonth of Italy; and he should have no objection to lay that document before the House. His Lordship then moved that an humble Address he presented to his Majesty, praying that be would give directionv to lay before the House Copies of Communications received from Foreign Powers, dated July 19, 1820. Earl GREY said, he understood that the Noble Earl would lay those Papers before the House with out moving any Address to the King. The Earl of LIVERPOOL replied that he would have no objection to laying the Papers on the table It mice, but the communication would not be effec tually made without a motion of this kind. Earl GREY asked if the document in question tcatained the authentic Copy of the Declaration is teed by the Allied Powers? • The Earl of LIVERPOOL said the Paper had not ken as yet communicated in an official manner from the Allied Sovereigns; but the Paper which should be laid before the House contained the substance of that Declaration.—The Address to his Majesty was then agreed to.—At Six &Clock the House adjourned. HOUSE OF COMMONS. The StllAL'lll took the Chair at a quarter Lefore faur o'clock IS day. Several private Bills and Petitions were disposed of. •Sir IL HERON moved for a Return of all the appointments is Coil Offices at the Cape of Good Hope, of £.io per annum Wary, made since March, 1810.—Ordered. _ Mr. HUME gave notice for Friday r.ext, of a Motion for a ()spy of his Majesty's Letters Patent, appointing the late and resent President of the Board of Controul; and also for a Copy the Warrants issued for salaries for these officers,—Ordered. kir. BUTTERWORTH moved for a Return of the number d Weekly Newspapers printed in the Metropolis on Saturdays sad Sundays, and also for a Return of the amount of Stamp Duties derived from them for the last twenty years.-rOrdercd. 3lr. ELLIS (Member for Dublin) presented a Petition from tie Paper Stainers of Dublin, praying relief from the operation d the 45th of the late Ding, which subjected them to many debbig.—Ordered to be printed. Mr. FREEMANTLE gave notice that he would, on Tues day am, move for a Committee to consider of the most advag talwais mode of supplying the City of Lohdon with water. Mr. CURWEN moved for certain Coal Returns, end also for an account of the amount of Assessed Taxes due and not collected up to the Ist of January, 1821, so far as the same could be made out. The Ron. Member put a question to the Chancellor of the Exchequer, with a view to know whether any change was intended to be proposed with respect to the mode of composition for these taxes. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER re plied in the negative. Mr. CURWEN then gave notice, that on Tuesday twit be would move for certain other Returns con ketteJ wilt the Assessed Taxes, and would take that ePponunity of bringing the question of compositions under the consideration of the House. Great incon lenience Gird difficulty were felt in many parts of the country, i, coreequence of the indec6ive manner in nick the compoutions were generally arranged, and the *vat which he (Mr. Curwen) had in vit c wasto 1 * tke Riiht line. Gectleman—tc s'ome dtttrmined • • '!", . • . . -' .. - tr•rir : .. . . ..-••- . ..."•••• ' ••• . . '• ' ' . 4aeortitir4at ~• • / .., -I. *:::•:i.- - - . " ..- ...-.•:^ 'r . ---...,•-• .• , • - -t...- :,.._';. .t.-.-... \.:,:: .Nt i t _, _ iev ' 'N,,s-• - 4. N.... a , • ... ~, • . _ _ . • ~ ~ . I .tt„ ... ;t : 0_ 7 .47 _.,.. .. . . .. . . • • , - 1 / 4 4 <. • • ........Z e. , 4 . C 4 ., .." t '..* ... . . / . . , . . . . •• . • . .. V..t; ' -• . ' ' . %......... .......,/ . t . • ~,'' .> • 1. . 4 90 .:** i, - 4. t e . ' CI ~ . i gil • . .. • . , . .....X., H11 .1 J o . 01IP i .;ir • 'S r .• : ... .... ' 1 1 I :*• . , i i, o.t . k • + i l t e-e , ...., T • Zeilo , 'IP: . • ... ,•••••• • . - 7 • THURSDAY, FEBRUARY 1, 1821. SEvEN-pI;NCE. • and permanent mode olaicertaining them.—The Re- of abandoning it. He was resolved td tiring it under fully concurred with the Petitioners; and; whatever turns were ordered. the consideration of the House eerly in April, and opinion might be entertained of her Majesty's con- Mr. CURWEN asked the Right Hon. Gentleman, had reason to entertain the best hopes o; success. duct, he was glad to have heard that his M a je s ty's what were the intentions of his Majesty's Ministers Mr. GRENFELL entreated the indulgence of the Ministers did not intend to proceed fin-thee against as to the Taxes on Agricultural Horses. He had House for a very short time, while be would submit to her Majesty—Wear, hear). Upon the second point i some hope that the Right Hon. Gentleman would their consideration his opinion of . Parliamentary Re. lie had to state, that on a former evening he voted modify these Taxes very considerably, if not do them form. Ever since he took his seat in that House for the motion of his Noble Friend opposite (Lord' ' away entirely. And this hope he derived from the (and it was now 20 years) he opposed with all his Archibald Hamilton)—net, as he could assure his impression which must be felt everywhere, of the power every attempt at an undefined Reform in Par- Honourable Friend - the Member for Yorkshire, with great distress under which the Agricultural Interests 'lament. He was , however , obliged to c o nfe s s that the view of overturning the Government; but be at present laboured. his former impressions of the state of the Represents'. cause the very first day that he h eard of the Order in The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said, tion of the People in that House; were considerably Council be felt adverse to it--(Hear, hear). For in answer, that he intended to make a proposition to shaken by their vote on Saturday morning last— this reason he felt it his duty to support the motion the Ilouse, in which it would be seen, that consi- (Hear , hear, and shouts of applause from the Opposi • of his Noble Friend—(Hear, hear). But if a motion deration was given to the distresses of the Agricul- tion Benches).—He must say, that the vote to which came before the House for the insertion cf her Ma tural Interest s ; ; but he could not encourage any hope he alluded was n o t only independent of the public jetty's name in the Liturge, urau such a proposition that that proposition would extend to the length to feeling, but more indeed—quite opposite thereto— he would offer a suggestion, that an Address might which the Hon. Member was disposed to go. (Hear , hear). — He concluded by expressing his hopes, be presented to his Majesty, entreating him to take Petitions were •prese,nted from Derby, Westham. that some Gentleman of weight and importance such measures as would enable Parliament to giVe &c. praying for the insertion of the Queen's name in would , before the expiration of the pr esent Session, • its sanction, under all the circumstance's of the c as e, the Liturgy, and for Parliamentary Reform. bringliefore the House some mature system of mo- to the proceeding: for instance, his Majesty might Mr. T. DUNDAS presented to the House three derate s iteform. • be induced to adopt a Form of Prayer which might Petitions, two of which were from two different classes Mr. PHILLIPS agreed in the arguments of his be suitable to all circumstances, or to render the pre of persons residing in Richmond, in Yorkshire, and Honourable Friend ; - he was fearful , un l e s s some sent Form of Prayer permanent. the third from the town of Spalding, in Lincolnshire. step was taken to reform the House, and to retrench The Petition was ordered to be printed. Each prayed the House to adopt the best means of the prerogative of the Crown,_ Revolution must fol- Lord NUGENT presented a similar Petition from procuring the restoration of her Majesty's name to low ;he considered the vote of last Saturday morn- Aylesbury. The Noble Lord stated that this Peti the Liturgy. ing as contrary to the opinion of the great body of tion was most respectably signed, and that it was Mr. R. CHALONER presented a Petition of a the People. agreed to almost unanimously, there being only four similar nature, from the Mayor and Corporation of Mr. S. WORTLEY could not agree to this decla . dissentient voices, at one of the most numerous "Meet the City of York. . ration of the Honourable Gentleman; in his opinion ings which was ever held in the town. The Pe:i- Mr. LAMBTON said, that he held in. his hand a the vote of last Saturday morning was in unis o n with tioners stated truly, that the country was in great Petition agreed to at a Public Meeting of the Nobi- the majority of the Country—(Hear, hear).-1-le was discontent on account of the measures which his Ma lity, Gentry, Clergy, and Freeholders of the county aware of the general feeling of the People, and alive jesty's Ministers had pursued, and hn account of their of Durham. A more numerous or more respectable to that feeling. He believed nineteen out of twenty introduction into this country of a love of military Meeting he never witnessed. No less than 3.440 sig- desired to see this question respecting her Majesty show, which was inconsistent with the principles of natures appeared to the Petition, and many more set at rest ;he also knew , that they wished it to be the Constitution. They stated that that discontent would have been added, had there been more time. settled without any further prosecution against her; was greatly increased by the arbitrary and unconsti- The Petitioners in strong, but most respectful lan- but at the same time they desired to see the question fictional spirit with which Mini s ters pursued the late gunge, expressed their disgust and abhorrence at the settled without giving her Majesty a triumph over charges against her Majesty; they complained that, late proceeding by Bill of Pains and Penalties. They any other person — (Hear , hear). — No Gentleman contrary to every principle of British lasv, they were also prayed the House to institute an inquiry into the could vote on Saturday morning last, without con- subject to nightly visits of the Police, under a late origin of the Milan Commission, to procure the re- sidcring what must have been the consequence of a Act of Parliament; they prayed the restoration of storation of her Majesty's name to the Liturgy, and decision different to that to which therhid come.— her Majesty to her rights and privileges, and of her provide for her a suitable establishment. He ex- It must have had the effect of driving the present name to the Liturgy. In this prayer these Poi— pressed his most cordial concurrence in the sentiments Ministers from office, and placing Gentlemen oppo- tioners concurred with all the other parts of the king conveyed in the Petition.—Ordered to be printed. site , to whom the Country would nob give confidence, dom ;and he believed that the House, in the vote to Mr. CUMMING rose to present a Petition, con- in their places--(Hear, hear). which it came on a former evening, btrt ill repre ataiding a similar prayer, and denominated " The Pe- Mr. BARING contended , that the majority of the seated tile feelings of the People. He fully concurred tition of the Officers, Bearers, and Members of the Country were decidedly opposed to the vote of Sa- with the Petitioners in their desire for a reduction of independent and loyal Lodge of Odd Fellows, Nos. turday morning, notwithstanding what had been said the military force; though he did not thiek that the 1 and 2, of Scotland." by the Honourable Gentleman—(Hear, hear). meditated reduction of 5,000 men by any means ful- The SPEAKER here observed, thaaa Petition de- Sir R. WILSON was persuaded Ministers opposed filled the expectations which were derived from the signaled as the present was, had been offered to and the restoration of her Majesty's name in the Liturgy, pompous announcement in the Speech from the refused by the House some nights ago. No ques. not on account of the opposition of any other party, Throne ; nor did he think that a reduction of so many don existed as to the rights of a private body to have but because they considered themselves bound by Veterans was likely to be productive of any useful their Petition received by the House, but the ques- certain public declarations they had made. result, in the way of economy. don was whether the s liouse, if it were to receive that Mr. BUTTERWORTH thought, as the Queen had Mr. RICKFORD concurred with the Petitioners. ,aod other Petitions similarly designated, did not been 'prayed (or as Princess of Wales, her name The Petition was ordered to be printed. 'thereby actually recognize the existence of a Society should be placed in the Liturgy as Queen. He knew Sir W. ROWLEY presented Petitions, praying the ,y in this country unknown to the laws and constitu- such was the opinion of many loyal persons. He said restoration of her Majesty's name to the Lit urt r tion?• He was well aware of the inconvenience nothing of the Queen's guilt or innocence, but he from Axefield, and from Framlingham, in Suffolk. arising from the introduction of Petitions like these thought it was an act of justice; and justice, as well Ordered to be printed. in the sister country. lie might instance the Petitidns as honesty, was the best policy. Mr. DENMAN presented a Petition from Sutto n from the Volunteers, from the Orange Lodges, the A Petition was presented from Kidderminster, Ashfield, which lie said contained the same requests Peep of Day Boys, and White Boys. He did not mean praying the restoration of her Majesty's name to the concerning the restoration of her Majesty to her to insinuate that either the title or the body of the Liturgy.—Ordered to be printed. rights, that were poured in from all parts of the Petition contained anything disrespectful or offene The LORD ADVOCATE of SCOTLAND pre- kingdom. If the contents of the Petition s wheel sive; but he begged to call the attention of the House sented a Petition from Crief, which , he stated in came in upon this subject, and which were p r e sen t e d to the circumstance of its coming from a Society un- general terms, prayed the restoration of her Majesty by Members on the other side of the House, as w ell known to the House and to the laws of the country. to all rights and privileges. The Petition was brought as on that where he was, were properly st a t es " by Sir J. NEWPORT opposed the reception of the up, and the Clerk at the table was proceeding to read the Hon. Members opposite , and the verity of tee Petition, and contended that howeeer respectable the it short, when several voices on the Opposition side Hon. Member who presented the Petiti o n f rom C r ier, individuals whose signatures were to the Petition of the House, cried "Read! read !" was an illustration of his remark—(Near)—or if t 1 e may be, yet its introduction might be attended with ' The Clerk then read the Petition at length. It was Petitions themselves could be lea d a t length by the very serious and calamitous consequences. a Petition from the Corporate Trades of the Royal officer at the table, a duty which, f r om th e mu l t ie;i- Sir W. DE CRESPIGNY earnestly requested the Burgh of Crief—(Crief—(Hear, hear).—lt prayed the House city of them, lie perhaps would find it diffi cu l t , if * r. f t attention of the House to Petitions brought forward to recommend it to the Clergy to make mention of her impossible to perform, he could sca rce ly h e lp be by bodies styling themselves Lodges. He thought Majesty's name in their Prayers — (Hear) — to restore lieving that those numerous Peatien s w ou ld ma k e ae them pregnant with evil, and declared himself pre- her to all her rights—(Hear)—to give her a palace impression upon the minds of hi s Maje s ty' s ali n i stei s pared at all times to resist them. —(Hear)--and to settle upon her such a revenue as ( Hear)—of which, perhaps, the Lord Advocate w o uld Mr. CALCRAFT urged similar objections against would be adequate to support the high station in not altogether approve—Wear, hear).—Tl i ec Peti the Petition. He could not recognize any Society,' life in which her Majesty inoved—(Hear, hear). tioners prayed also the re:eon:non of her el e t es te' s but such as had a legalized existence. Thee Petition was ordered to be printed. name to the Liturgy. On that subject he wonii of;:r Mr. ABERCROMBY could not help stating, that Mr. H. G. BENNETT presented a Petition from one or two observations, and he took the hi n t f t r he always understood the House to reject the Peti- Stamford, in the County of Lincoln, praying the re- them from an honourable and gallant friend near tions only of Societies unknown to the law; but now storation of her Majesty's name to the Liturgy — de . him (Sir it. Wilson). • in one view it was a gross a n d they weregoing much further if they refused the Pe- precatieg the spirit of persecution which had been most unjust proceeding, inasmuch a s it p asse d a sea titions of individuals, merely because they set forth so decidedly manifested against the Queen , and im - tence of condemnation before the accused was even that they belonged to a certain Society. The sub- ploring the House to use every means in its power to put in a train of accusation—(H e a r ).—ln a no th er scribers say they belong to a certain Lodge; but it cause that system of persecution to cease —( Hear). view it was most unjust toward s th a t hi g hs t r ib una l is not the Petition of the Lodge, but of the private He was convinced that the conduct of this House in before which the charges ag a in s t he r M a je s ty were individuals whose names are subscribed, and as such the vote to which it came on a former evening , did to be tried, because it rendered it impossible for tae co it ought to be received. more to brine this House into contempt with the Noble Members who composed th a t t r ib una l e t r ib una l, to . Mr. DENMAN knew of no rule of the House for- country, than any vote which it ventured to give on with unbiassed minds t o the exam i nat i on e r : 1- e. bidding the reception of this Petition. any occasion since he had the honour of a seat in it. charges upon which that previ ous se n te nc e o f era - Mr. WYVILL rose and said, he held in his hand The Petition was ordered to be printed. demnation was fbended—C Pear).—lt was also no in no less than 32 Petitions from the city of York. From Lord A. HAMILTON gave notice of a motion jury .to the Sovereign himself, because h e stoo d as a mistaken construction of an Act of Parliament, for Wednesday next, for the production of the Orders the husband of her who was in nt ie th e object of :i -each of the Petitions was signed only by 20 names. in Council which were sent to Scotland for the era- nisterial persecution, for it was quite impossible that The Petitioners were most anxious for triennial Par- sure of her Majesty's name from the Liturgy. In such a thing cenhi be done without the existence cf 'laments. They suggested the propriety and cape. some parts of Scotland he believed those orders were i suseiciens 'which were most eniestly cast upon her diency 'of reducing the number of Boroughs existing not obeyed, and he stated that, in one instance , a Majesty. Illey heard a great deal of the response at present, by purchasing at a fair valuation the in- Clergyman who had not obeyed them, was placed b:lity of Ministers en this point. Ministers, with re terest of the voters; and they prayed that in room under military arrest—(Hear, hear). culiar eagerness, took all the responsibility of the of such disfranchised Boroughs, the elective franchise Sir GEORGE•ANSON presented a Petition from measure to themselves. Why, who ever doubted might be extended to the non-represented inhabitants Litchfield, praying the restoration of her Majesty's that the responsibility entirely rested on them ? in the contiguous districts. He was of opinion that name to the Liturgy. - (Hear). Or where was the necessity for making thas there existed always'very strong reasons for a Reform Mr. VERNON stated, that he was applied to on I boast now, except with the view of insinuating • th a t of the ltepresentative System—there were now 310 the part of the Petitioners to support the present Pe- such responsibility was a mere formula of th e Con additional ones. It was absurd to suppose that a House tition. He thought it was but right, in the first stitutiun, but that the real resporsibilitv of the meae so constituted, and acting in the manner it did, re- place, to say, that a protest was pretty numerously sure rested elscer 4 iere—()kar, hear). One of the presented the sentiments of the People of England. signed in Litchfield, expressing decided disapproba- prayers of this Petition, that no further proceedings Mr. 110BHOUSE said; that during the last Ses- tion of the proceedings which terminated in the pro- - should be taken against her Majesty, was grauted. sion of Parliament, a notice was given by the Mem- duction of this Petition, and disclaiming the Resolu- This of itself was a sufficient reason for the restore her for the county of Durham, of his intention of eions upon which it was founded. These Resolutions don of her Majesty's name to the Liturgy. He un soon bringing before the House the question of Par- were not before the House, and for that reason he d _erstood lsom the .commencement, Out that men. liametaary Reform ; he nosy desired to know whether would make no observations upon them. The Peti- sure was leunded on the existence of charges which he meant to follow up this notice ? Lion itself appeared to him to be unobjectionable in were made against her Majesty ; and, since those Mr. LAMBTON said, that in consequence of the its language, which was • respectful towards the charges were given up, why should that infliction very extraordinary proceedings which occupied the House. One of the prayers of the Petitioners was, which was the-consequence of them remain? The Housea great portion of last Session, he then thought thet this House would prevent any further proceed- House were aware that in 1741, the other House of it better 'sot to bring on thi consideration of a Re- ings agai n st her Majesty; and the other was, that the Parkettient addressed the Throne to restore the Roy a l form of that House ; but he assured the Honournb:e House would address the Throne to re s tore her Ma- progeny of Frederick Prince of Wales to the Liturgy ; Mtrubtr for Westminster, that be never even thought ' ;esti% name to the Liturgy. Upon the first point he and that when some delay occurred, and the ticts,. ..e- t" '1 RP