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(peaty, he believed there were not fifty Members in the House who wished that it should pass. Mr. MANSFIELD concurred in all that had been so ably stated by the Honourable Member who spoke list. lie corroborated the statements of that Ho nourable Member respecting the poor at Leicester, and contended' that it was a complete contradiction to those supporters of the measure before the House, who asserted that the spirit of the people was gone. Perhaps they should hereafter have the satisfaction and happiness to find, that in other places as well as in Leicester, these exertions to have been made by the poor, instead of their being in that state of de 'moralization with which they were charged. He be lieved, from the experience of a Magistrate during the perieds of the greatest distress, that the people, were as unwilling to receive relief as the rich were to afford it. MI they wanted was work, and a fair price for their labour. Mr. LOCK fl ART supported the Bill. The present system of Poor Laws was absolutely calculated to sap the energies of the People, and loudly called for some remedy. The remedies proposed by his Hon. Friend wem of such magnitude that they could not possibly be discussed in this &ssion ; it would be im rossible for the Overseers of any parish to ascertain what the maximum should be. In France, where there were no Poor Rates, the number of paupers compared to the number in England, was as ten to 500 ; and the reason was, that in France almost every poor man was allowed to hold a small scrap of land, which was sufficient to maintain himself and family : and he would nut allow the benefit of a maximum. to any agricultural parish, until that parish proved that it had adopted the means of enabling poor men to hold small lots of land, to make the most of the s ame, so as to be able to maintain their families— (Hear).—An experiment of this kind had been lately tried in some parishes of Wiltshire, and was at tended with the happiest effect in diminishing the Poor Rates. He was not an advocate, for an Agra lian Law, :tad still less for the Spencean system ; but be thought that eatended means should be af forded to poor men to derive some benefit from the cultivation of land—(ficar). Mr BERNAL said, the proposition for a maximum was unnecessary and absurd, because there was a clause in the Bill which went to do it away altogether. Ano ther obstirdity in the Bill, was that of limiting relief to chltheo hereafter to be bornin wedlock, while re- lief was to be allowed to illegitimate children ; and' this was a direct encouragement held out to vice.-- Then, relief was to be denied to artificers out of em ploy, at the very time when there were laws inflict ing heavy penalties on them if they attempted to quit the kingdom! Suppose any branch of our manufac tures was to fall into decay, what would become of the workmen? Were they to be denied all support, and suffered to go about the country as vagrants?— Many of our manufactures had already fallen off, and the consequence was, that great numbers of persons were unable to procure employment. If this Bill were to pas., another great evil would result from it—it would be, that there would be no end of litigation. Mr. FIIANKLAND LEWIS agreed in the main principle of this measure; but there were many pro visions in the Bill to which he could never give his assent. - lie believed that the evils resulting from the Poor Laos at present were so great, that if they were not checked in their operation, the downfall of. Eng land would be inevitable. The progression of the Poor-rates was regular and increasing; it did not depend on temporary circumstances, nor on taxation (Hen r, hen r).—Does the llonourable General (alluding to Sir Robert Wilson) mean to contradict this asser tion?—ESir ROBEItT MIAOW Yes.''j—lle con tended it did not depend on taxation; because Scot land paid taxes equally with England, and there were no Poor rates there. France was taxed as much as England, in proportion to her means--(A cry of No, ao!)—and there were no Poor-rates there. Here the _ Honourable Gentleman entered into calculations to prove his statement; and lie repeated his assertion, that the destructi'rn of England was certain, if this alarming system was not correctedi The condition tf the Poor Laws was to reward men for putting themselves into a state of misery. The necessity for the existence of the Poor Laws had not been made out; and it should he considered, that in Scotland there api eared to he no necessity for them.— It "as a.remaikable fact, chit in Spitalfields, where there wer e more poor than in any other part of the kingdom, they were obliged to have recourse to a Llazineunt ; and this was a reason v, by the present MI was not likely to pi oduce the effect proposed by it. He thought the House should have proceeded on the Report already made on this subject by its Com mittee, rather than entertain a measure of this kind. lie felt satisfied that if persons were enabled to ob tain relief out of the parishes in which they were barn, the number of paupers would inevitably be in creased. Nothing could be worse than the system of i'lting the paupers from one parish to another. Wherever the woi d relief was used in connection with t Poor Laws, it was to le understood as implying pecuniary mile( only, and that ought to be given to tone but the impotent, who were rendered incapable of supporting themselves. The Righ: Hon. Gentle man then referred to the Statute of the 43d of Eliza beth, and cited the opinion of the Lord Chief Justice Rale, to slew that it gave Magistrates no power to order anything but relief to the impotent. The ten dency of the Poor' Laws, he said, was to tear down all the institution s of the country, and to involve all classes in one common ruin. As soon as the Honourable Gentleman had con cluded, several Members rose to address the Chair ; but Sir Rom= WitsoN having first caught the SPEAKERS eye, he gained precedence, and said it was quite impassible that the question could be fully and fahly discussed at so late an hour. As there were many Honourable Members yet remaining who wished to speak th e i r sent i ments upon it, he should now move, as an Amendment, that the debate be ad journed till to-morrow. Mr. SC ARLETT expressed his concurrence in the Amendment, which was agreed to after a few words from Mr. T. CoURTENAy and Mr. F. PALMER. ISCEL LANEOtIL The Com Averages Bill went through a Committee of the vhole House, and the Report was ordered to be received on Tricky next. HUME gave notice that he would, on Monday, move lit an Address to the King, requesting his Majesty to reduce Ihe altlitary Eqtablishment of the country. 2d.kILTIN, after a few wtm ds, consenttd to postpone his Bill for pnnishirg Cruelty to Anitnalt.--The third reading was then puxponed to Monday next. DUKE OF CLARENCE. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER brought in the Bill for granting to the Duke of Clarence an additional In come, and moved that it he read a first time. mi. ii. G. BENNY:I"f objected to the first reading of this Bill at this hour of the night, and moved chat the House be counted. The House was then counted, and 40 Members not I;ingpre sent, the I-louse adjourised at 20 minutes past One o'Clock. MAJORITY AND MINORITY FOIL AND AGAINST THU AMMARS TO THE DUKE OF CLARKS:IL JUNE 18. MAJORITY. Ashurst, W. H. Dodson, John Ommaney, Sir F. Astell, W. Douglas, W. R. K. Pole, Rt. Hun W. Alexander, J. . Dawson, J. M. Phillimore, Dr. Arbuthnot, Re. Hon. Elliott, Hon. W. Prendergast, J. S. C. Forrester, C. W. Peel, Rt. Hon. R. Burrell, Sir C. Fife, Earl of . Pakenham, Hon. R. Beckett, lit. tin. J. Grant, A. C. Peel, NV. 13:Lillie, John Grant, lit. Hon. C. Pechell, Sir T. Binning, Lord Gifford, Sir R. Pearse, John Blair, J. If. Grenfell, P. Phipps, lion. Ed. Bathurst, Rt. Mk B. Gladstone, J. Pitt, W. M. Bent, John Gossett, W. • Rice, Hon. G. Brogdcn. J. Graham, Sir J. Robinson, Rt. IN. F. Blake, Sir F. Gordon, lion. W. Roberts, G. J. Buchanan, John Hare, lion. R. Stuart, A. Burgh, Sir 11. Holmes, %V. Smith, R. Barre, lit. Iln. J. M. I tolford, J. P. Seymour, IL Brownlow, C. 11111, Sir G. Scott, Hon. J. Brecknock, Lord • Hotham, Lord Somerset, Lord G. Burrell, Walter Iluskisson, Rt. Hon. Twiss ' H. Browne, 1). W. T u lk, C. A. Cost, Hon. W. Irving, John Trench, Hon. F. Crosby, J. Kingsborough, Lord Taylor, Sir H. Clements,llon. J. M. Leigh, J. H. Ure, M. Calcraft, John Londonderry, Mar. Vansittart, Rt. Hon. Coffin, Sir 1. quis of Nicholas Cartwright, R. lamb, lion. W. Wynn, C. W. Courtenay, T. P. I.ushington, S. IL Warrender, Sir G. Copky, Sir John 1 mother, .1. 11. Warre, J. A. Cockerell, Sir C. Lowther, lion. C. Wilbraham, E. B. Cartels, .1. E. Long, Sir C. Wildman, J. P. Clive, Henry Morland, Sir T. B. Wallace, lit. W. T. Cranbourne, Lord Martin, R. Wood, Col. Cheere, E. M. Martin, Sir T. B. Walpole, Lord Calvert, J. Macnaghton, F.. A. Wigram, W. Clerk, Sir G. Manners, Lord C. Wodehouse, lion. J. Don, Sir A. Marryatt, Jos. Wrottesley, 11. Dawkins, 11. Mai joribanks, Sir J. Ward, It. Ikw is, 1 lart Marjoribanki, S. Wilson, Sir R. Drurnmond, IL Manning, W. Yorke, Sir J. Dawson, G. Nolan, M. lannouth, Earl of Divot, T. TELLERS—H. Gott!burn and Viscount Palmerston. MINORITY. Abercromby, lin. J. Forbes, C. Noel, Sir G. Baring, 11. Fane, John Ord, W. Beecher, W. W. Fleming, John Palmer, C. F. Benyon, Benj. Gordon, Robert Ricardo, David ' Bury, Viscount Grattan, J. Robinson, Sir G. Boughton, Sir C. Griffiths, John W. liumbold, Charles Benett, John Guise, Sir W.. „ Rice, T. S. Butterworth, J. Gurney, R. H. Rickford, W. Colburne, N. R. Gipps, G. Smith, 0. Curwen, J. C. Gasket!, Benjamin Smith, S. Creevey, T. Harbord, Hon. Ed. Smith, Abel Cooper, R. B. Ilobhouse, J. C. Smith, John Cherry, G. H. Honywood, J. P. Smith, William Crawley, S. Hume, Joseph Sefton, Earl of Doveton, G. Haldimand, W. Sykes, Dan. Davies, T. 11. James, W. Sebright, Sir J. Denison, W. J. Keck, G. A. L. Tavistock, Marquis Del.man, Thomas Lennard, T. B. Townahend, Lord C. Dundas, lion. T. Lockhart, J. J. Webbe, Edward Drake, W. T. Lister, B. L. Western, C. C. Dugdale, 1). S. Langston, J. IL. Wharton, John Duncannon,ViscountMacdouald, James Whitbread, S. C. Ebrington, Lord Martin, John Wood, Alderman Evans, William Milbank, M. Wells, John Ellice, Hon. G. A. Milton, Viscount Williams, William Ferguson, Sir R. C. Mona, J. B. TELLIRS. Fitzgerald, Lord Moore, Peter Bernal, Ralph Folhe,tone,Visconnt Maxwell, J. Bennett, Hon. 11. G. THE EVENING STAR. LOND ON. THURSDAY, JUNE 21, 1821. THE FUNDS. PRICES OF STOCKS THIS DAY AT ONE O'CLOCK Bank Stock 230-3 per Cent. Reduced 76 1 / 4 3 /i Sper Cent. Cons. shut-3% per Cent. 86% 4 1 / 4 A 4 per Cent. 94 1 / 8 1/4-5 per Cent. shut Long Anns. 19 1-16 Vs—lndia Bonds 455. 465. pr. Exch. Bills. par Is. dis. 2s. pr. Consols for Acct. 77% 3/8 In the House of Commons, last night, a short but interesting debate took place on the Immolation of Widows in India. From the statements both of Mr. BUXTON (who brought forward the subject) and of Mr. ILtrutrasr, the President of the Board of Con troul, it appears that this inhuman custom has, of late years, greatly increased. It is scarcely neces sary to say, that it met with nothing but the most indignant reprobation in a British House of Com mons, and that the only difference of opinion re garded the best mode of putting an end to this out rage on humanity. To promote this object, copies were ordered to be laid before the House of all com ' munications received by Government respecting the evil so justly complained of. Mr.H UTCHINSON after wards submitted his promised motion on the state of Europe. It consisted of two Resolutions ; the first pronouncing the pretensions which have been lately set up by the Allied Powers, as equally novel and dangerous, and " in direct op position to the principles of our own Revolution, and to the independence of all other nations;' and the second, proposing an Address to his MAJESTY, requesting him to use his influence " to secure to the minor States of Europe their undoubted, and, till now, never disputed right to choose their own form of government." The Marquis of LONDONDERRY made a weak and evasive opposition to the motion. He professed to think that the Declarations of the Allied Powers assembled at Laybach did not proceed from any love of t)-r.uiny, and were the case otherwise, he did not conceive that it was for the Government of this coun try to interfere. Every one must see that this is a most wilful conglomeration of the question. To act tyrannically, and to lore tyranny, are two different things. A Monarch of the most benevolent disposi tion may, from mistaken views of the rights and interests of men, play the part of a tyrant as effec tually as the most deer ared and ty) army-loving despot that ever wielded the sceptre of dominion.— !It was not with the motives of the system on which the Allied Potentates proceed, that the motion of Mr. HUTCHINSON had to do ; but with the 'act, whether that system is or is not in hostility to the indepen dence of all nations, and in particular, to the pi inci-i pies of our own glorious Revolution ? Here is a plain question to which the Marquis of LONDON DERRY might have made, if he chose, a plain answer. And what other reason can be assigned for his not doing so, than that so well suggested by Mr.IIcT CIIINSON, in his reply, that his Lordship is, in fact, a sleeping partner in the concern of the Holy Alliance? Unsatisfactory as the Marquis of LONDONDERRY'S speech was, the fate of the motion shews that, with the sort of support which his Lordship had at his back, he might as well have spared himself the expo sure of saying anything at all on the subject. After a few words from Sir ROBERT WiLsoNin support of it, no other Member offering himself to the notice of the House, a division took place, when the Reso lutions were negatived by a majority of 117 to 28. The discussion on Mr. ScAnutrr's Bill for depo pulating the country was next brought forward, but lac a late hour adjourned till this evening. Mr. CAL CRAFT made an able—in our opinion an unanswer able speech, in opposition to the Bill. The poor of England are much indebted to him for his manly vindication of their rights and character. We are happy to observe that it appears on all sides to be an understood matter that there is no chance whatever of the Bill's passing this Session ; and we are not without hopes that the result of the adjourned dis cussion this evening will be to give it its quietus, now and•for ever. The Earl of LIMERICK has brought into the House of Lords a Bill of great importance to Ireland. The chief object of it seems to be to facilitate the means of protecting lenders of money in England on Irish securities. Some doubts were 'entertained as to the legality of collateral bonds in Great Britain for the payment of the interest on sums borrowed on Irish securities at 6 per cent. This Bill will remove these doubts, which have alarmed many, and prevented English.capitalists from accommodating Irish bor rowers, so freely as would otherwise have been the case. It is scarcely to be supposed, that English capitalists will invest money on Irish mortgages without a gua rantee in London for the regular payment of the in terest in this city, and hence it is a matter of the first importance to remove every uncertainty on the subject. The Paris Papers of Sunday and Monday arrived at a late hour this forenoon. Their contents are not of much importance. On the 29th May, 8000 Aus trians embarked at Naples for Sicily. A letter from Leghorn, of the Sd June, confirms the report of a fleet of 72 G reek vessels having passed the Dardanelles. —Of the Turks, since their crossing the Danube, there are nothing but the most confused and contra. dictory accounts; some asserting that YPSILANTI is a deserted fugitive, and others that he is gone in strong force in pursuit of a division of the Turks, l under the Pacha IBRAIL. French Five per Cents. Saturday, 86 fr. Accounts have been received in town of a Revolu tionary movement near Dantzic. It was, however, of an insignificant description, and easily quelled by a Prussian detachment. A vessel from Bahia, named the John, which lately touched at Holyhead, reports that it fell in with a vessel which had spoken the Royal Portuguese squa dron at sea, on its way to Lisbon, with the KING and suite on board. His MAJESTY is said to have sailed from Rio Janeiro on the 25th April. A Mail from Flanders arrived this forenoon, with Papers to the 19th instant. Some quotations are made from the Milan Gazettes, from which it appears, that since the commencement of hostilities between the Greeks and the Turks, the naval force of the former has already captured four frigates and eight other armed ships, besides a great number of small vessels. They found 800 barrels of powder on board one of the captured frigates. We have received, to-day, Papers direct from Madrid to the 7th inst. The following are extracts: MADRID, JUNE 4. We daily receive, from all the Provinces of Spain, respectful Memorials, in which the Provincial Depu tations, the Constitutional Municipalities, and even numerous bodies of citizens petition his Majesty, that making use of the prerogative given to him by Art. 162 of the Constitution, he would be pleased to convoke an Extraordinary Session of the Cortes during the months that will intervene between the end of the present Session and the commencement of the next All the Memorials adduce the same arguments of public utility which we have expressed for some time past; and all the citizens who address them to the Throne, chew themselves to be animated with the purest desire to see the Constitutional System conso lidated, and entirely convinced that this is his Ma jesty's most ardent wish. Such are the sentiments expressed by the Provincial Deputations of Catalonia, the Constitutional Municipality of the City of Sego via, that of Burgos, that of Bilboa, and a large num ber of the citizens of Badajoz, and the public teachers of the University of Alcala de lien:nes." We much !regret that we can.:ot FAILIIsh in cur it these Memorials ; we Must' content ctir•e!t ., es stating the wishes ct these worthy citizeu,, which wt.: doubt not are those of the whole naticm.— El Universe'. ARMY. The Duke of GLocrrsrau and the Officers of his R-giment, the 5d C.:nerds, partook of an elegant entertainment, on Tues. day, at the elareutlon Hotel, Bond-street. The Band of the Rt. gians-at performed martial and other music during the banquet. The 52d Regiment of Foot emb.trked on Sunday, at Liver pool, in several vessels, foe Ireland. The First Somerset Regiment of Militia completed their twenty-me days' training last Friday, at Taunton. • The 'Wiltshire Regiment tif Militia re to assmible on the 37th of July, at Marlborough, for twenty.one days' training and eao•rcise. Monday the I lerefordahlre Regiment of Militia had a grand field-day at NVideinarah. it being the Aunivarsary of the Battle of Waterloo; and on Tuesday competed their period of duty. The Martinis of BUCCINt:IIA3I, it is said, will, before the rising of rarrament, propose if me lads for making the Militia force more effective for the national defence; and, in consequence, to r. , tider minecessary the c , ,otinunece of so large an establishment, composed of rsLular Regiments of the Line. NAVAL lATELLIGENCE. The Ravotarrintotaicr frigate arrived at Corfu on the 7th ult. The American ship I.c.uisa, Il trus, was detained by Lord Cocitaalqes squadron, and sent into Haachs, near Lima ; but on the 28th of December the crew retook her, cur her cables, and stood out to sea, accompanied by an American frigate. Estmourn, Jima 18.— Wind &S.F.—Sailed the Montague packet, with Mails for America. l'assed up Channel, the Heart of Oak, from Antigua. JUNE \.E.—Sailed the LYDIA and Vilma cutters, on a cruise. DEAL, JUNI 20. Wind N.E.—Came down from the River and sailed, the Trusty, Ma•illEß, for Quebec. Sailed. the Venus, CANDLER, for London j and Drirarcri sloop of war, for Sheer.. ness. Arrived and sailed for the River, the John, WALKEit, from New South Shetland. Doves, JUNE 20.—The Hannah, Maass, from Charleston for Bremen, lost an anchor and cable in these Roads, and has been supplied with another. _ I - Waviest, Jus:z 20.—Sailed the Lord Nelson packet, for Cuxhaven, and Vansittart ditto, for I lolland, each with a MOM AlEvsotssav, Jesa t9.—The 'Three Sisters, RICHARDSON, of South Shields, from Swansea fot Plymouth, struck on a sunken rock about three miles to the t astward of the Dedman, and made so much water that it was necessary to run her on shore at Conan I lawn : cargo landing. PIRACY.—In the course of Saturday night, a French fishing boat was cruelly robbed of 100 pieces of mackarel net, six miles to the eastward of tke Galloper Light, at which time she was pr in cipally surrounded by Yarmouth and Lowestoft boats, also on the mackarel season: the rope had been cut, and several of the buoys destroyed, fragments of them having been picked up. The poor fellows came into Ramsgate Harbour on Sunday morning, and applied to their Vice-Consul, who, it is hoped, will afford them every assistance in tracing the perpetrators of this outrage, so as to prevent anything in the shape of rttaliation,which might create a complete war between the French and English fisher men, and be the cause of much mischief to many innocent men and their families. • \lnsists sroasss wrrit.—The Ann, from Dublin to Mirami chi, on the 4th instant, in lat. 49. 24. long. 26. and the Asia, from London to Quebec, on the 3d, in lat. 47. 28. long. 25. ARRIVCDAt St. Petersburgh, the Eaglet, I Jolt; Hope, Fra ser; Julius Cmsar, —; Forster, Robinson; William Al'Lean, —; and Marmion, Tindall, from London; Madeira Packet, Allen, from Madeira; Ranger, Corol, from Cadiz; Mevagissey, Bowden, front Messina • and Garland, Hilton, from lkston. At Stettin, Parthian B o urne, from New Bedford. Cosvow-Housz, Juan 20.—Ships Entered Inwards : Com merce, from Oster (Norway); Christiana, from Tonderen ; Thomas, from Carupeachy ; Catherine, from Rotterdam ; Phce bus, from Gottenburgh ; Perceval, from Grenada; Nonsuch, from Stangate Creek. Cleared Outwards: Sarah Margaret, for Hamburgh ; Brothers, for ditto ; Neptune, f or R otter d am ; Gambier, for Cadiz; lamilton, for Archangel; Two Brothers, for Oporto; Calthorpe, for Elsinore; Copia, for Odessa; for lillau ; Alfred, for Elsinore ; Jesmond, for ArchangeL Yesterday the Duke and Duchess of CLARENCE rode out in their carriage to the Regent's Park, where their Royal Highnesses were delighted at JENKINS'S Nursery Ground. Yesterday, at two o'clock, the Duke and Duchess of GLOUCESTER, the Princess AUGUSTA, and the Duchess of KENT, honoured Mr. and Mrs. WATSON TAYLOR with their company, at their house in Ca vendish-square, where the Royal Party remained about two hours, viewing the splendid mansion, and partaking of a collation. Colonel DALRYMPLE, who succeeds to the Earldom of STAIR, was divorced from his Lady, fourth daugh ter of the late JOHN MANNERS. Esq. and of the pie sent Countess of DYSART, on the ground of his hav ing been previously married in Scotland. On the 4th of this month the ceremony of the baptism of the son of Lord Symms; the British Ambassador at Vienna, was performed at his Lordship's hotel in that City. Prince Al Ll TEM. snot stood sponsor, in the name of the ICING of EMIL A MD. It is now asserted that the QUEEN wrote to Lord Li - , ER POOL for permission to attend the Coronation, and that she has since received an answer that there could be no objection to her at tending as a private individual, and that a private box is fitting up in Westminster Abbey. COURT OP CLAIMS.—The son of the Rev. Mr. Dvmoitz, the Champion of England, is objected to as a substitute for his father at the ensuing Coronation ; and the Rev. Champion is directed to procure a sufficient representative. Mr. WALKER, the KING'S Apothecary, has pat in his claim to a place at the Coronation. We understand that if it be allowed, he will be required to wear the dress of the Esculapius of ED. want) 11. viz. long shoes, turned up at the toe, sun looped to the knee ; a blue stocking on one kg, and a red stocking on the other, with a party-coloured vest and cloak. His office will be to carry in one hand a bottle of perfumed oil. The crown to be worn by his MAJESTY in the act of crowning is that now in the Tower, which, with the repairs and additions it has ht:ely received; is of immense value. It is too massy to be worn for more than a shcrt time. On its being taken off, its place will be supplied by the crown prepared and lately exhibited at Ilusnr.u. and BRIDGES. This crown is only intended for the service of the day. It is valued at about .065,000. Its purpose being fulfilled, the diamonds in its composition, which are either hired or borroWed, will be distribdted among the owners, and the manufacture's will be paid for their work manship. At a Vestry of the Parish of Camberwell, it has been re olved to petition against the proposed alteration of the Poor Laws. LADY MORGAN'S long-expected k% crk was published this day. The recent events in Italy have naturally contributed to increase the public curiosity, relative to this new, and, according to rumour, most splendid product of the investigation and genius of this dis tinguished NVriter, who has very aptly been styled the Irish DE STALL. We recommend to the p.:blic attention the pez fectly ivovel Scheme of Tomitiss's PICTURE LOT TERY, and the Schgdule of Prizcs; with testimonia's from the President and the most eminent Royal Academicians of the superior merit of the Picture . As the Lottery is to be drawn on the 24th of July, an early application for Tickets is desirable. The purchaser of a Red Ticket and a Black Ticker, price Three Guineas each, is sure to,gaiu a Prize.