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.; I acconling to the Noble Marris, the goes ien of Reform affects the !louse of Commons only ;1 it is an affair of their own, and the House of Lords t'ave no more concern in it, and ought no more to intei fere, than if the question were a reform in the Torkisli Divan. A more extraordinary assertion gran this Was ipvt.r ventured in any deliberative a! , enibly ; indetql, we are utterly unable to account for such_ aprwent htuseness of comprehen,ion. Truly were all the Members of the House 44 Lords "n a level with :he noble Marquis in their reason ing powers, were there no Peer more capable ofl understanding the subject on which he speaks than the noble Marquis. we should hesitate in the an seer to be made to the radical proposition, " What is the use cf a House of Lord. ?" Fortunately, however, the Marquis f.f Westminster is nut a fair sample of that il::istrious Assembly to which the people of England have been ac ewitoteterl to look up with respect and vene ration. The noble Marquis, of course, did not forget the argument, the solo argument of the Reformers. " The popular voice is loud and favourable. Wherever the voice of the people has been heard, that voice has been in favour of Re form" (of the Reform Bill). Facts are the beat answer to this eternally reiterated statement. Look to the triumphant return of Anti- Ministerialists in all the popular elections since the meeting of Parliament. Look t t the miserable failures in the attempts to get up Reform and intimidation Meet ings. Is it because the same rabble, the same mendici, mime, bithitroiles, assemble in %nions parts of the Metropolis to listen to nearly the same Orators, and to agree each time to the same reso letions—is it because this expedient is adopted! that tke Lords are to abdicate their legislative! fiim•tions and outrage their consciences ? No ;1 the appeal is in vain made to their fears; nor will ;Ilex. be influenced by the vague generalities of, the Reformers. They will inquire—lst, " What' :sac the evils of the present system ?" 2d17,! What are the benefits, unattainable at present, -which you expect to derive from Vie Reform isure ?" -13l PERI Al, PARLIAM ENT. HOUSE OF LORDS, SEPT. 27. The Reyal Assent was given by Commission to the ,es and .deans Hill, the Waterloo street Bill, and a poi. 11.11. The Commissioners were the Lord Chancellor, ;hr Archbishop of Canterbury. and the Duke of Richmond. The Duke of ‘VELLINOTON presented two petitions f•oni Queentionlugh, against Reform ; a'so a petition to the same effect from Seaford. The Duke of RICHMOND presented a petition front the Ward of %Valbrook, in favour of Reform. The Earl of C A RLISLF. a petitioa to the same effect i-ent Murpeth. The :Marquis of WESTMINSTER a petition front C Away, for the extension of the elective franchise. laird DA CR E presented a petition from Perth for Re f.,rai in Parliament. Lord CLONCURRY presented a petition from Dublin, o• Reno m. JAM BEXI.LY a petition front Harwich against reform. Lord TENTEItDEN moved, that his bill limiting pre. se:4l6re claims be printed with the amendments, and re peened on Friday.—Ordered. THE I.OED CHANCFLI.OI6 The Marquis of LONDONDERRY rose, pursuant to r I.:ice, to call the attention of the house to several charges wnieli he had to prefer against the Loid Chancellor. The rt:•ble Marquis commenced his address by assurine the house that nothing could have induced him to make any observa tions upon disorder in that house but the remarks of the rnble and learned Lord on the woolsack on a former evening. On the occasion to which he alluded he expected some peer, well acquaitutti with the forms of Parliament, would have defended their lordships against the indiscriminate charge of disoder. They had been told that house was a most disor derly assembly. It had been said what was every body's business was nobody's business, otherwise disorder would no: hare gone on so long. The noble and learned lord on tike woolsack had been treated with deference In that house, therefore it had always been in the power of that noble and learned Lord to arrest disorder. He should then advert to what he considered disorderly conduct in the noble and Inerned Lord. Since the period when lie first entered that horse he had always understood it was the first duty of the Keeper of the Seals to preside in that assembly. The noble and learned Lord having absented himself during important proceedings, he thought it his duty yesterday evening to give 119liCC of his intention to bring forward a motion calling on the noble anti learned Lord for explanation. It might be sled, the noble Eul at the head of his Majesty's govern ineht was absent at tile same time, but a calamity of a dsatestic character sufficiently accounted for that noble End's absence. There was another point. The bill before the house in the absence of the Lord Chancellor was nne of great inmortance with respect to property, and two noble lords, who differed front the noble and learned lord, were s..sious to Ove opinions upon that bill. It would have been satisfactory to those lords if the Lord Chancellor had been in his place. The noble marquis thought it could not I e understood that the noble and learned lord, who derived treat emoluments from the dispatch of judicial business, WAS tree to neglect the duties of that house for judi:ial bu siness. Was it because the noble and learned lord had gained popularity in the decision of Chancery suits, that the Cosines ef Speaker in that house was to be neglected ? He could tell the noble and leaned lord he was not the only one who had expended nights and days in the service of their CLIMILIT V. !lc COUkt :!Ot forget the services of the predeces sors of the noble and learneei lord. lie could never see the atlalra le soviets of his noble and learned friend deterio. veva/. lifts hope was. that the noble and learned lord would be kind erouit to explain why he was ahsent, and he had o doubt the noble lord would be able to give a satisfactory ex planate it. lie should throw hityself on the indulgence of tint house. Ile did nut know that lie had any right, as an individual peer, to make these observations, but the impres bitat on his mined was, that he was taking a course consistent with the honour and dignity of that house. Hie LORD CHANCELLOR said, he felt that there reefer was a charge brought against any human being more void of foundation than that brought forward by the noble marquis. lie slionld he distressed in mind if any negligence on hi. part had occasioned the smallest disrespect to the Louse ; but he was sure their lordships would see there was tin want of diligence in the discharge of his duty—no want tat due respect, and therefore he had no anxiety on the sub ject. The charge ageing him was a constant negligence in the discharge of his duty, by absenting himself tram this house, without cause, and leaving their lordships without a pv.m,. its tat toe amen ne nausea business elsewhere Ile did not feel anxiety as to the effect of such an attack, but it had the qnality of surprise. Although the noble and leaned lord did rat consider himself worthy to succed many who had i eld the great seal, yet there was one quality he never scald yield to any, namely a great and perpetual de sire, above all things. to discharge his duty. (Hear, hear.) Patty was a great thing, but that party should induce the Jamie marques to get rid of the Lord Keeper because he was Lay, idle and soali net do his duty in that house, was most surp rising.: (Hear, hear.) From the silence which pervaded one side of the house, he judged there was one tame body which entirely agreed with the noble marquis. lie had needling to allege against the noble marquis. If the noble marquis thought him wrung the steps taken were right. lie would state the facts to the house, and he bad nu doubt he should give satisfaction. In the first place, however, he denied that he had assumed airs, or boasted of tiering got through arrears of Chancery business. His pre cessonc. probably, might have done as be had done if re lieved front the duties of that house. He had always borne testimony to the merits of his predecessors. They had en abled him to get out of arrears by leaving him a body of nigh decisions fixed on the basis of wisdom. He had, on a tot met occasion, stated to their lordships that he was de sitnus if making a great effort in Chancery, and for that purpose lie should be absent front the House of Lords. It wa-• tine a noble and teamed earl (Eldon) told him on the oceasien. that it was the duty of the keeper of the great seal to attend in that house ; but he had beard the noble earl give other advice on a previous occasion, when the noble and hatred earl said It was the duty of the Lord Chancellor to tat in the Court of Chancery. He combined the advice of that noble and barred friend, deeming it his duty to attend the Court of Chancery six or eight hours In the day. He did not make his appearance In that house, but continued actively employed in Chancery. Hie time was taken up during Raster when every one bad rest. His maxim had been— " Take care of the minutes, And the hours will take care of themselves." lie never said a word that could place him above or even on a level with his predecessors, hut he had never relaxed in his effort to accomplish a most important object--the discharge of arrears in Chancery. (Hear, hear.) The noble marquis might consider him lazy ; but certainly the bar would not. (Hear, hear.) He had not only got rid of the arrear of causes in Chancery. but he had the pleasute to inrornt their lord ships that he had got rid of the arrears in the House of Lords, with the exception of one appeal. (Hear, bear. and cheering.) There were English and Scotch appeal. standing, but could not be disposed of without the Judges, whom he could not call upon in their short vacation. There was ano. titer matter worthy the consideration of their lordships. He had been ill, but had worked as though be was well. The noble and learned lord had been taking medicine for a most inveterate cough, arol he had told a noble lord it was news. nary he should go to the North for a few days to get rid of it, in order that he might be qualified to attend to the duties of the House neit week. If the noble marquis had len in the House lie might have seen that he was ill. 01 one occasion be coughed without intermission for two hours. The noble and learned lord baring de fended hi twlf most ably against all the attacks of the noble marquis, sat down amidst loud and continued cheering. The Earl of ELDON said, the Deputy Speaker in that House should be one of the ablest judges of Westminster. hail. The business of last night was conducted in • most irregular manner. With the greatest respect for the Earl of 1 Shaftesbury, he could not admit that noble earl was a proper Deputy Speaker upon the occasion of passing a bill, which required a legal opinion horn the woolsack. He should be' a most blameable man were he not to mention another im. portant occurrence in the proceedings of yesterday. The Commons of England, coming up to the bar with a bill, I were received by the noble earl in a frock coat and boots.— This, he would say, was a way in which the Commons of England never were received by that House on any former' occasion. Lord HOLLAND considered it irregular to go on with this subject after the most satisfactory explanation of the no. ble and learned lord, and the many claims that noble and learned lord had upon the home and the country. He could not help thinking that the honour and dignity of that house was more advanced by dealing out justice to the country than by a few hours' useless attendance upon the woolsack, whilst some lords were taking the oaths. The noble baron contended that the noble and learned lord had committed no breach of I'arliamentary duty. The noble marquis had spoken of entering his protest against such conduct. He (Lord Holland) hailed that intimation as a happy omen.— The noble marquis probably foresaw a long list of coming protests in the minority. (Laughter.) The noble baron con cluded by stating that there was no ground of blame against the noble and learned lord on the woolsack. (Hear.) Lord ELDON and Lord HOLLAND explained. The Marquis of LONDONDERRY trusted that he stood excused for bringing the matter before the house. The matter then dropped. The Marquis of LANSI)OWNE presented a petition in favour of reform, from Eomsey ; also another from Glasgow commissioners of police to the same effect ; also a similar petition from the weavers of Glasgow. 4. OAL DUI' M. The London coal trade regulations bill went through a committee and was reported, and ordered to be read a third time to•morrow. THE GAME HILT. The game bill was passed through a comrnittee.—Re port to-morrow. WINE DI TIES lIILL. On the motion of Lord AUCKLAND. the third reading of the Wine Duties Bill was postponed till Thursday, in consequence of the necessary absence of Earl Orey. The Earl of ABERDEEN, though convinced of the ne cessity of bringing the matter to a speedy settlement, ez pressed himselt satisfied with the present arrangement. The Special Constable Bill, with some •erbal amend ments, was committed.—Report to-morrow. BEER ♦CT AKZINDMENT BILL The report on this Bill was brought up and ordered to be engrossed. The Bill to be read a third time to.morrow. Adjourned. HOUSE OF COMMONS. Mr. O'CONNELL intimated that be Intended to post. pone the order for the call of the House till Monday week. Lord CASTLEREAGH presented a petition from a pa rish (Glenairn) in Antrim, in f of the Kildare.street Society. Hi. Lordship at the same time concurred in its Rprayer. — It called forth some conversation, in which Mr. UTHVICS, Mr. O'CONNELL, .cc. took part. Petition ordered to be printed. - scorcu 6 1101,2111011111111." Mr. DUNDAS presented a petition, representing that " Superioritiee had been bought and sold, pursuant to power created by Act of Parliament, and praying for com pensation. Mr. CAMPBELL said, it was very much to the honour of England that no petition had been presented for compen sation for the loss of votes that ought never to have been pos sessed.—( Hear.) Mr. DIXON thought Scotland was unfairly treated in having" superiorities," which gave legal votes, compared to the rotten boroughs of England.—(Hear.) Sir. E. SUG DEN begged it to be distinctly borne in mind, that no compensation had been asked for the loss of the burgage tenures ; they have been disposed of on the ground that private interests must give way to the public good; and having so disposed of the English right, he could not listen to the claims of Scotland for compensation. He was cer tainly astonished, though au anti-Reformer, at this applies. lion. Mr. KENNEDY said, the reform bill would oolT pre. vent the superiorities from 'enhancing the value of their property by political jobbing. Sir C. FORBES said there was political jobbing—but It was with the Ministers and the Lord Advocate. They were selling and destroying the Constitution. The " superiori• ties" were men's property, and to take them away was to deteriorate men's property. A superiority was worth Oom 2.0001. to 5,11001; this bill would seriously and unjustly affect their value. The owners ought to be compensated. lle should like to ask the late Member for Weymouth (Sir E. Sugdcn) of what value his votes were competed with those attached to superiorities. But of what use would they be if the 101. householders were to be let loose upon the counties. Scotland had no desire for this bill; it was prosperous and would continue to be so if let alone. Be, however, woi.ld take care that none of his tenants should have votes inflicted upolt them by this bill. (A laugh.) Sir E. SUG DEN had said nothing about superiorities; he had only observed that English burgage tenures had as good a right to compensation as the possessors of superiori ties. Petition (we believe from the Edinburgh L'aiversity, but the title was never read) ordered to be referred to the Com. mittee on the Scotch Reform bill. Mr. R. GORDO \ prerented the Report of the Com• miitee on the Windsor Castle estimates.—Ordered to be printed. CALL OF THE HOUIE. --- - Mr. O'CONNELL rose to move that the order fur the call of the house be postponed till Monday week. He had been assailed for continuing the notice, and he was threat ened with resistance. Was it too much to ask gentlemen to attend to their duty ? Was the English bill the only bill of conies:turner ? NVere the rotten boroughs in schedules A and B of more consequence than the representation of Ire land and Scotland? It he experienced resistance, it would be a proof bow little the interests of his country were attended to. (Cries of • no, no.') They knew nothing of these a noes' on the other side of the channel ; they were there a simple race ; and they looked to deeds, and not to words. He moved that the call be postponed to Oct. 10. Sir R. VI'VY AN was rather surprised at this language. (Hear.) It was a great deal too high. Whatever place he represented, he should speak as a member of parliament ; and he should obey only the dictates of his conscience. But the interests of Ireland were not attended to 1 Why, was not more than half their time consumed in discussing the affairs of Ireland ? What more could be done ? After' what had passed this afternoon, and feeling how Inconve nient it was to have this motion hanging over the heads of members from day to day, he should move that the order be discharged. Sir. J. NEWPORT observed, that if Members were not prepared to attend their duty constantly, they did not duly perform the duty for which they were delegated. He con sidered that the order was perfectly correct, and that it ought not to be discharged. Air. C. FERGUSON did not care which Bill took pre. cadence, but he could not admit that the business of Ireland was neglected. Mr. HUNT also complained of this attack on the Bei this House of Commons, for not attending to Ireland—a charge that was most unjust. He also complained of this dragooning of the House, and requiring the attendance from right, and on the suggestion of one who had never been re , turned twice by the same constituents. (Loud cheers and laughter from the Opposition.) Why was there to be a cell for Ireland, and none for Scotland ? He had no objection to the call ; but let It be impartially enforced. Colonel SI BTHORP saw no necessity for this all. It was not required for England--why should it be asked for Ireland ? He hoped the amendment would be pressed. Lord A LTHORP lamented that this motion had been so mixed up with extraneous matter, and particularly that it should have been asserted that Irish affairs were not duly attended to. He considered that the contrary was the fact. The most important Irish questions had been brought forward by English members : Air. Fox was the first to bring forward the Catholic Qtestion. The fullest attendance was most desirable. He would not hays moved the all, but being proposed, he did not feel it to be his duty to oppose it. Sir R. PEEL lamented that Ireland could never be mentioned without the Introduction of unpleasan remarks and feeling ; he hoped the time was not far distant when the Irish and English members would feel that they represented one common country, and had common interests. Much inconvenience had resulted from allowing the call to be daily hanging over their heads; and it tended to diminish the force of the call. If the question were pressed to a diviel,m Its should, though wi'h pain, support the amend ment. Mr. SHIEL said, the objection was rot to the call, hut to the postponement ; and that he thought the call ought to be enforced. The Irish Members had stood by the English Members in supporting the English bill, and they, there fore, had the right to call on the English Members to sup port the Irish bill. Mr. H. ()RATTAN spoke to the like effect. There ought to be enforced a full attendance of English Members. Sir C. FORBES said he phrruld support the Hon. Mem ber for Kerry's motion ; there ought to be the fullest at. tendance. Mr. O'CONNELL replieti. lie repeated that there eught to be the call. Was it not desirable to have the fullest attendance? Why was not the Irish bill read a second time this week ? Why was a whole week to be lost ? But the call was to be resisted, and Ireland would know the fact, and how be was received in endeavouring to press the motion. Sir R. Vl'Vr AN said the hon. member should not be gratified ; he would not press his amendment. (Cheers.) Mr. HUME thought the member for Kerry had not been fairly used ; he was not amenable for the postponement of the bill; the Postponement of the call was a natural con sequence. The interruptions that had been offered to the motion were not gentlemanly they were unbecoming an assembly of English gentlemen. (Order.) The interruptions were of a character that he deemed to be unbecoming. lie considered that the member for Kerry had only done his duty. (Hear.) Amendment withdrawn, and original motion carried. ■IL6IUM A AAA EECE. Sir R. VYVYAN brought forward his proposed inquiry respecting the employment of French officers in the Belgian army, as with such employment the Belgian army must be to a considerable extent under the command of France ; he wished to know whether such employment was with the unction of this country and the other great powers ? Also, whether the recent occurrences in Greece had attracted the attention of government ? Lord PALMERSTON replied, that this country could not interfere with the organization of his army by an Inde pendent sovereign, and one who was recognised as such by this country. Therefore, as the first question, he could give no answer. As to the second question, respecting recent I and painful occurrences in Greeee, where there was such ea lamitous agitation, he had to express the hope that the sea dement of that country might soon be effected; and to re ply, that as to the recent event, it was now under the anxious consideration of the Conference of the three powers, and he trusted that it would be attended witJ the most satisfactory result. The conversation here dropped. IRELAND-LEASE'S CASE. Mr. O'CONNELL, pursuant to notice, rose to move for papers illustrative of Leary's we, who, with others, had been accused of conspiring to commit a murder in Ire land. He was found guilty—but all the others were ac quitted, because because the Jury disbelieved the evidence. Yet was transported for life, in spite of the efforts of Baron Penefather to avert such sentence. He could prove that fact at the Bar. The Judge did not desire delicacy to be observed—and what dilleacy was to be observed towards resist the Government ? Why the production of these documents ? He concleded with moving for copies of all communications with the Irish Government on Leary's case, &c. Mr. STANLEY said, that personal feeling could have nothing to do with his observations on this moment—for it took place under the late Administration. he objected to the motion, because the House could not be made a court of appeal — nor ought confidential communications to be pro. dua& Mr. O'CONNELL explained, and insisted on an oppor tunity being afforded for investigation. Lord ALTHORP thought that the mode of investiga tion wu quite inconsistent with the practice of the House, and quite contrary to the practice of the law of the land. Eir C. WETHERELL opposed the motion, because be considered that any advice furnished by a Judge on a case could only be founded on his notes of the trial. and conse quently would be the data on which he had given his judg ment. If the motion was sustained to call for private awn. munications, it would be wresting from the hands of the exe cutive Government the prerogative it possessed, and vesting it in the House of Commons. Mr. JEPHSON supported the motion. He thought, that at it was in consequence of a subsequent correspondence that the innocence of the man had been established, they ought not to be met by a precedent, and refused access to the communications that had taken place. Mr. CR A SIPTON said, the honourable and learned gentleman had shown great humanity in bringing forward the motion, and had evinced much temperance In the man ner he had do , it ; but he could not agree with the honour. able gentleman that the House of Commons could furnish so dangerous a precedent as to call for private correspondence 'between a judge and the executive government. No judge would ever correspond with government if he thought that his private communications were to be made the subject of such an investigation. Mr. CA LbAGH AN supported the motion. Ile thought that no place was more fitting to bring forwatd the case don unfortunate but innocent man than the House of Commons; and he hoped that his Majeaty's ministers would rot shield themselves under any technicality, but would sanction the investigation to do the individual justice Mr. H. GRATTAN said, the information could not be called private, but public information ; and he thought in justice they bad a rig* to call for the report. Mr. D. W. HARVEY said, the house did possess the le -1 &home power to act in appeals of judgments given ; hut there was ao rule without exception, and he thought that after the ample testimony of the man's innocence, his Majesty's ministers ought to yield to the motion, in honour to them. asil vow , awl, ewe edilieva, as the great arbitrators orjusticie, and to make the necessary inquiry, and, at their convenience, report to the house the result of their investigation. Mr. HU3IE thought it was an extreme hardship that be cause of any technicality an innocent man should , in the latter stage of life, be transported to 'die In disgrace in a foreign land. He thought the case was so strong u to call for an exception to ordinary practice; and if his Majesty's Govern ment did not approve of the mode prescribed, let them name any other; tut he ( Mr. Hume,) if Ministers did not con. sent, would recommend his hon. and learned friend not to relax, but to proceed and call for a division. Mr. STANLEY thought the late Government had not been fairly dealt with in the debate. and he thought It would be extremely inconvenient for one Government to be called upon to revise the acts of a former Government; but he would pledge himself, now that the case had been brought under his notice, that he should with the greatest care refer to the papers, and if there appeared any thing that had not been laid before the former Government, or any thing that made an impression on his mind, the case should have his utmost attention. Mr. OTOisiiiELL withdrew his motion. He said he was satisfied with the assurance of the Right Hononourable Secretay. Mr. lIIILDMAY presented a petition from the inhabi tants and householders of the town 'bf Winchester, that an Opportunity might be afforded Mr. Baring to clear himself of the calumnious allegations that had been made against him in the case of the Denies. Colonel EVANS wilt* had a petition to present of di rectly opposite sentiments, and Implicating Mr. Baring. The petition was real at length. Mr. HUME complained that the case should be at all discuued until the wintry should hays been feentally said. toted. He said that on aseesnt of the opposite pedtions being in eziatearo. sub ►ad been the understanding. Mr. A. BARING rase to epplain. Mr. HUME explained. After a few words Bun Colonel Evans and Sir C. We 211ZRZLI., Colonel TRENCH said, be thought the whole wee a gross conspiracy, got up to wound the feelings of the mem ber for Thetford. Colonel EVANS asked the hon. member. to whom be alluded when he used the word "conspiracy ?" Colonel TRENCH said. it would be sufficient for the hon. member to know that he did not allude to him. Mr. HUNT was also of opinion that It was a gross and a foul conspiracy (bear) ; but it was a conspiracy against an undefended man and woman. (A laugh.) After a few words from Mr. Rosman*, and other mem. hers, the petition was onlered to lie on the table. Mr. HUNT presented a petition from the North.wcatcro branch of the National Union, praying for an inquiry into the Deacle case. The petition ha►ing'been read, Sir C. WETHERELL objected to its being received, because It did not state whether the individuals wbo signed it were members of the National Union. Some discussion arose on this point, which ended by Mr. Hunt's consenting to withdraw the petition. Mr. HUM B presented three petitions, praying fora simi lar inquiry ; the first from a piece in Buckinghamshire; the second from Louth, in Lincoln , hire; and the third from Thomas and Caroline Deacle. Mr. O'CONNELL said, he had that day received a corn • munication from Mr. and Mrs. Deacle, requesting that the motion fora Committee of In qu iry might be postponed till Thursday. They said, they understood Government intend ed to oppose the motion, and they wished, in consequence, to be enabled to bring forward their case fully. He trusted, therefore, the gallant Colonel would postpone his motion. Colonel EVA NS was ready to postpone It. Lord ALTHORP thought that to postpone it without some strong reason being give for so doing, would be unfair towards the accused party. - Mr. CA MPBKLI. was opposed to the delay. Mr. O'CONNELL thought tbedelay should be granted, as it might tend to throw light on this most important ques tion The question was, whether the people of England were to be subject to the same system of tyranny and injus tice as Ireland had unfortunately been ? Mr. BARING said, the learned member, whilst be spoke of the injustice done to Inland, was himself committing the grossest piece of injustice. He did believe now that there was a conspiracy against him. The lion. member was no doubt threatening him with some new petition, got up amidst the dregs of the people. He might bring for. ward his calumnies night after night, and make himself the tool of a vile conspiracy ; but he (Mr. Baring), if the gallant officer should postpone his motion, as he feu no doubt at liberty to do, should himself at once bring for ward a motion praying the house to appoint a committee to inquire into the hardships and cruelties of which he had been the object, and after the house had given its decision, he should no longer condescend to answer those attacks and those calumnies. Was a party to lay before the house, night after night, documents inflaming the public mind, and petitions purporting to pray for inquiry, and then, when the m ot ion for an inquiry was brought forward, to ask that it might be delayed ? How could the hon. member, if he had any sense of justice in his bosom, give his countenance to such conduct, or, if be did, how was any society of gentlemen to consider hot ? Mr. O'CONNELL hoped he would be allowed to say a few words after having been thus assailed. ( No.) He said he had been assailed, mailed in a most brutal manner.— (Cries of order, sad chair.) Sir R. INGLIS rose to order. Mr. O'CONNELL was ready to ackaowledge that he had used the word hastily, and readily apologised for it. But he had been most unjustifiably attacked. Was the part he acted any thing but natural, when he heard it alleged, that a woman had been handcuffed, that no Jury had con victed; when he saw one party rich and powerful in that house, the other poor and without support. That party had been hitherto without a z e alous advocate ; but they had one now. Conspiracy ! and what could he have to do with their English conspiracies? The Hon Member had challenged inquiry ; he ( Mr. O'Connell) should take great care that an inquiry was had. He called on his gallant friend to bring on his motion; they would then see whether this desire for an inquiry was real. Colon, EV ANS said, that after what had taken place, be should not postpone his motion. He thought the modera tion with which he had treated the subject throughout had been met in a very different manner. (Hear, bear.) The word conspiracy had been used in a most insulting manner , which he would never permit to be used to him. (Hear.). The case resolved itself into four parts—The first was the cruelty of the manner in which Mrs. Deacle was taken into custody. The next was the trial of Mr. Dude, for Mrs. Dade was never brought to trial. He was denied the power of cross-examining the /images, but was acquitted in the most honourable manner. The next proceeding was the ac. don for damages, and the next was mooting the subject in that house, which had been done with the least possible severity. Mr. Baring, in his published letter, admitted, that if the facts proved at the trial were true, be should have no resourse but to hide his head from society ; and he said he had evidence to prove that he was at a distance when the occurrence stated on the trial took place. He would ap peal to the House whether any such evidence had been ad duced. (Hear. bear.) On the contrary, the attempted de fence in that House was merely recrimination ; and the same was the case that night. He hoped the House would see the necessity of going into enquiry foe the sake of the cha. racier of the Magistracy of the country. After the outrage at Manchester, the present Secretary for the Home Depart meat gave his opinion in that House that an enquiry into the conduct of the Magistrates was indispensably necessary. The present Attotney.General also brought an enquiry be tore the House respecting the conduct of Mr. Emrich, a Magistrate for Surrey, to which the then Government did not make any serious objection. Yet the hon. member for Thet• ford accused Government very strongly for not having brought forward the enquiry themselves. He thought an enquiry in the t case was indispensable. The hon. gentleman mover for the appointmeut of a Select Committee to et . quire into the conduct of Mr. Bingham Baring in ar resting Mr. and Mrs. Deacle. Mr. LEFEVRE seconded the motion. He thought in quiry was indispensable for the vindication of Mr. Bingham Baring. It was his firm opinion that the handcuffs were put on Mrs. Deacle without the knowledge of Mr. Bingham Baring. The verdict of the Jury in the action for damages fully acquitted the hon. Member for Portsmouth; and by giving nominal damages against Mr. B. Baring, proved that the assault on which it was founded was not an aggravated as. sault. He felt no difficulty in coming to the conclusion of theirperfect innocence ; but was satisfied there must be an in. quiry to satisfy the public mind. Lord ALTHORP said, when he stated on a former night that he should oppose the motion, he did it with great diffi culty ; and what had passed that night had greatly increased that difficulty; but on the best coosideration he could give the subject. he could not agree to the appointment of the Committee; but he stated on his honour, as a gastleman, that he was acting without communicatio n with the family of Mr. Baring, and that he really believed he was acting against their wishes.--(Hear, heat.) Bat when he coosid. ered what the Committee were to do, he thought he could not, consistently with his duty, consent to it. Mr. and Mrs. D. had their choice of bringing a criminal information, or action for damages. After the trial, when a petition was presented to that house, Mr. F. Bring stated, that some of the acts proved against Mr. B. listing had been done by him • a second petition was then presented, charging Mr. F. Baring, who, as ap peared on the trial. had beets fin from blame. That pro ceeding satisfied him that there was no ground for an inquiry. The investigation could not take place on oath, and would not give satisfaction to the country ; but be hoped some other means of investigation would be resorted to. The case of Manchester was as different from this as could be. Belie,. tag, at he did, that the investigation would turn out satis factory to the parties accused, it was with great regret that he opposed the motion. Lord EBR I NOTON said he had a communication from Mr. B. Bating, in which he strongly urged an inquiry; it was therefore with great pain be opposed it ; but he thought those that were not convinced by the clear statement made in that house by Mr. F. Baring, would not be con vinced by a report of • committee of that house ; and if the committee were appointed, it would lead to constant appil. cations of the same nature. He was perfectly aware of the obloquy to which he reposed himself by opposing the com mittee ; but he would be unworthy of his name and station, if he allowed such considerations to divert him from his duty. Mr. HUME bad hoped that the Chancellor of the Exche quer would have pointed out some way in which the truth might have been investigated, as a large portico of the ...0. people were impressed with the belief that injustice hail I - ee committed. Some of the statements w ere contradictory . b ut they were all open to proof. He had been most unju, l l . charged with being a conspirator in this case. presented petition., without offering any opinion on seer merits of the case , having contente d himself with the te preaslon of a hope that an inquiry should take place, that 11; truth might be proved. The petitions that he presee t ,g were sent to him by persons he did not know, and the rem... ; , assigned was, because he had expressed a wish for an in. quiry. He asked whether the charges contained in the petition be presented from Mr. and Mrs. Deacle that flight , were capable of proof, and was answered that they all ware fully capable of being proved. He thought the Noble La r d should not oppose the inquiry unless be could pnirt out some other way of investigating the facts, and ascertaining the truth. He was confident the people would never h e satisfied without inquiry, and that petitions would multiply. One fact was not denied, that a woman was handcuffed, though no resistance was made. He mast support an i ce . qu ge ATTORNEY.GENERAL was happy to hear the moderate tone in which his Honourable Friend treated the subject. The inquiry must turn on the state of the fact. when they took place, and he could state, that in Nove n a" last, when the country wu in a state of the greatest excite ment, depositions were sworn—whether true or false could not then be known—which strongly implicated llr. and Mrs. Deacle. The Magistrates acted with anxiety ter the public peace, by ping with the constables to ere. cute the warrants, and when they went to Mr. Me e k, house, they found arms which might be used for resit. sea, and if they exceeded the strict necessity of the ease, their *induct should net be too nicely criticised...- He hod seen depositions charging Mr. and 3lrs. Deacle atilt going about at the head of a mob from farm to farm, extort. ing money, and that Mrs. Deacle directed the distribution of the money amongst the mob. Mr. Omit only was brought to trial, and the moment it was found that the charge could not be proved, the prosecution was given up, and Mr. Dees. de had a right to the fullest acquittal ; but the Court did not sit to hear evidence in his favour when the charge was given up. The Jury before whom the action for damage, was brought, gave Mr. 1). the damages to which they thought him entitled ; and now it was proposed to renew that trial be. fore the worst possible tribunal in the world for such an inves tigation, a committee of that house. There was no parallel be. tween the present case and that of Manchester. And in the case of Mr. Kenrick, he was a Welch Judge, and could only be removed by addressee from both houses of parlia• mcnt to the Crown ; therefore, when grave charges were made against him, it was necessary it should be inquired into by the house. Tne impression on the pubbe mind on this case he thought was subsiding from a calmer coast. deration of the case ' • and he thought the appoi ntment of a committee could not be beneficial, as no ground was laid for taking the matter out of the hands of the court of law. It would be to encourage attacks on magistrates, and to deprive the public of the exertions of a good and bold magiatte e for exertions which had been highly beneficial in restoring the peace of the country. Mr. D. W. HARVEY said his mita was wholly free from any bias on the subject. Ot the presenting pc. Mims he knew nothing, and was onr i a ai nlious that the truth should be ascertained. When the subject was first introduced, the friends of the party accused called on the house to suspend its judgment till the verdict had been chat. lenged by an application for a new trial. He supposed the advice that would be given to them would be not to disturb die verdict; for he Lust come to the conclusion that the verdict was a mere nominal verdict of damages. He could suppose that counsel might say that they were fortunate in having the trial take place in • county where they had so many friend*. (Hear, bear.) But there was another consideration, Mr. and Mrs. Deacle were both charged with offences, and their witnesses with perjury. (Hear.) The gallant Colonel, when he gave notice of bringing the subject before the House, did it without any petition from Mr. and Mrs. Dock, but from the impulse of his honour able mind; and be thought they had nothing to do with Mr. land Mrs. Deacle ; the real matter at issue was between the Magistracy of England and the unprotected people of Eng. land.—(Hear, bear.) He was sorry to bear from the Chan cellor of the Exchequer and the Attorney-General that this was a trifling case; that the Magistrates were to have the power of plaelrg iron manacles on the people of England, who, though accused of crimes, were not resisting the law. —(Hear, bear, hear.) Such conduct was contrary to law. _(Hear, ba r.) If the Home-office had instituted an in. quiry on oath, and laid the evidence on the table, it might have satisfied the public; but he thought some in. matey indispensable. Mr. BARING said, he had not intended to accuse any gentleman of improper motives, and h op ed he had not said any thing that could give personal o ffen ce. (Hear, hear.) He knew be could not have an impartial opinion on the subject; but he learned with great regret from his noble friend that he should oppose the appointment of a com mittee. The magistrates of the country were impeached, and he thought it of great importance that an inquiry should take place. The house might judge what was the state of the country at the time the occurrence took place when they heard that there were at one time upwards of 400 rioters In Winchester gaol, and that 300 trials had taken place, and 120 sentences been passed. They made no accusation against Mr. and Yrs. Deacle; they only said that there were prima facie grounds for arresting Mr. and Mrs. Dade, and the table could be covered with proof of that fact. Mr. O'CONNELL supported the motion for a Select Committee; nothing short of a full inquiry would satisfy the public, and be was convinced that the parties implicated would come oat of the investigation free of all blame. After a remark from Mr. F. BARING, bir R. PEEL was sorry to oppose what he believed to be the real wish of the parties implicated—namely, for a corn. mince of investiption ; he opposed that wish because he believed the potties to be innocent of all the charges brought against them. Mr. HUNT regretted that a Select Committee was to be refused. Mr. GOULBURN opposed the appointment of a Com mittee as inexpedient. Sir FRANCIS BURDETT said, be had come into the House impressed with the necessity of voting for so inquiry, but he confessed that his sentiments on the subject had been completely altered by the arguments which bad been brought forward in the course of the discussion; be should, therefore, oppose the appointment of the Committee. After a few words from Colonel EVANS in reply, the House divided, when there appeared For the motion.. Against it Majority against eke motion ....... 47 The 'that orden of the day were then disposed of, and the House adjourned at a Quarter to Three o'clock. FOREIGN INTELLIGENCE. BRUSSELS PAPERS.-THIS DAY. ANTWERP, SEPT. 23.—The fine weather and the sea being very low favour the reparation of the dikes, in which the workmen are proceeding with the greatest activity. We are able to affirm that all the accounts from London are. favourable to a speedy pacification, and that the cries and wishes for war exist only in the Journals, and by no means in foreign cabinets. The non-evacuation of Belgium by the French troops is confirmed.—Journal du Commerce of Antwerp. Bastes&Ls, SEPT. 24.—M. de Meulenaere, Minister for Foreign Affairs, will have the de partment of the Interior, in the room of M. Teich man, who has resigned. The department of Fo reign Affairs will be given to M. Lebeau. M. Duval de Beauleau returned from Berlin the day before yesterday. M. Joseph d'Hoogvoret was expected yesterday. It was reported yesterday. that a 44th Protocol had arrived, by which the Conference assigned to Belgium the whole left bank of the Meuse, ex cept half of the sovereignty of Maestricht, which would belong to Holland ; the latter would possess the whole of the right bank, including Venloo Belgium to have Luxemburg, and the left bank of the Scheldt ; bet to bear a very law portion of the debt. This news is the more in used of con firmation, as we are assured, that Messrs Lion and Behr, the two envoys who are gone to London. Mow