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total numb* diabetes in Reinburgit was 21,000; of these many were doubtless in the possession alternates: .Mr. lIUME said, that although there were2l,ooo houses in Edinburgh, the number of those worth £5 per annum and' upwards was only 10,168, and of these 6,800 had signed the Petition. In number and value, the Petition bore the signatures of three•fou ; if not four4fths, of the respectable householders.- After a few words from Mr. DRUMMOND, the Pe- a , titian was ordered to lie on the table. Mr. ABERCROMBY rose to more that the Peti tion be printed; and took that opportunity to reply to some of the remarks which had been made upon the manner in which the Petition was signed. The fact was. that at every place where the Petition had lain for signatures, one of the Committee appointed to conduct the Petition had remained there also, and used every possible exertion to prevent any persons from signing it whose houses were in value under £5 per annum. He reAoiced in the opposition to the Pe tition, being convinced from experience that opposi tion only stimulated the people in the pursuit of their rights. He thought, too, that the sneers and sar casms bestowed upon the Petitioners might have been spared—(Hear, hear). Mr. KENNEDY said, the value of the houses of the unrepresented inhabitants of Edinburgh was upwards of £300,000 per annum, while that- of the represented portion was only £2,788. The Petition was then ordered to he printed. • Mr. GOULBURN rose to request the Noble Lord opposite (Lord A. Hamilton) would consent to post pone his motion respecting the state of the County Representation in Scotland, which stood fixed for to morrow, in order to enable him (Mr. Goulb'nrn) to introduce a measure of the utmost importance to the Public: he meant the Irish Insurrection Act. Lord A. HAMILTON regretted it was not in his power to accede to the request of the Honourable Gentleman. In consequence of having consented to part from the same measure last year, he had lost the opportunity of bringing it forward during that Session. He begged the Right Honourable Gentle man would believe that his refusal' was gro_snded upon the very same motives which had influinced the Right Honourable Gentleman in making the re quest—a sense of" public duty. DUTY ON COALS. Mr. BRANSBY COOPER presented a Petition from the Wye Railway Compaq, praying for a total repeal of the Clay On Coals. _ _ . . „.. After a few words from Alderman Baunits, the Petition was ordered to be printed. IRISH TITHES. Mr. VESRY FITZGERALD put a question to Mr. Gouts burn, whether he intended that night to propose the Committee on the Tithe Composition Bill? He was of opinion that the better way would he to give sufficient time for the deliberate eun.ideration of the Rill to those moat concerned.-he in. ant the Representatives of Ireland, as there were certain difficulties that could only be got over by such previous deliberation, and the discussion of the details would be thereby greatly facilitated. Mr. GOU LIM R N objected to postpone the meant , . While the House should be engaged in the inquiry which had been just commenced, it would he impossible for him to give the subject of Tithes the full consideration it dentin led ; but he should cer tainly et.deavour to make some progress in it. SLAVERY. Mr. LEITESTER presented a Petition from the Inhabit ants of the Borough of Shaftestniry, praying for the 'radii:dab°. htion of Slavery. MISSIAGR FROM THE LORDS. A message from the Lords announced that their Lordships had agreed to several Private Bills, (for which see Lords' Report.) Colonel BARRY, previous to the reading of the Order of the Day for the Committee on the conduct o the Dublin Sheriff, begged leave to call the atten tion of the House to a paper which he held in hishand. . Sir J. NEWPORT reminded the Right Honour- Ole Gentleman that the House had determined the Committee should sit at six o'clock ; it was then nearly seven o'clock, and he could not consent that any other business should take precedence of it. Colonel BARRY thought, that as the paper to which he had alluded related to the subject of in quiry, he should have been permitted to read it to the House. He therefore felt no obligation to thank the lion. Baroueifor his courtesy. He must leave the Right Hun. Gentleman in possession of the House, but would move that the paper be produced and read after the Report should be brought up. He. wished to state, however, that he. had just received a letter from one of the witnesses summoned on the inquiry, stating his utter inability to defray the expense c f a journey to London, to obey the order of the Hi:use. By the absence of the witness the justice of the case might suffer. There certainly was one snoee by which his attendance could be compelled, namely, by causing him to be taken into custody by the Ser jeant at Arms; but that would be productive cf much trouble, and a considerable expenditure of the public money. • lie trusted something would be one to wards enabling poor witnesses to attend the House. The House then resolved itself into a Committee of the whole House, to inquire into the conduct of THE SHERIFF OF DUBLIN. Sir R.. HERON was called to the Chair. staled teat 1) ins of hkitlettnentiFere the Commiligicir Grand .very width was sworn In 41Paramip. kat. - r i t ed has they were takes Nway from them without baring** upon? -r4 did. What became of them thee—Therms retura•L Wan they retetneti to the Grand Jury the secostria, lit the 11ocittito as cm the faint exactly. State the differenee?-1-There was an' error in them which I Illsenveted and pointed out to- the Crows Solicitor.- - Colonel BARRY was then proteeding to put an other question, when The CHAIRMAN requested the Hon. Member would give the short-band writer a little More time. The examination was again resumed. You state that there was an.alteration made In the bill of in dictment after its having been taken from before the Grand Jury; who made that alteration?—The Crown Solicitor. Do you consider that a person has a right to alter a record of the Court; have you ever known an instance of bllb of indict ment being ahered-while under consideration of a Grand Jury? .—I have. With or without the leave of the Court?--Witbout leave. Wu the alteration made by the Grand Jury?—lt was not. By whom was it made ?—I believe by myself; I tint disco vered the error. What was the error?—ft merely charged the offence to have been committed in the fourth year of the King's reign instead of the third. _ . Several questions were here put, but in so low a tone as to be unintelligibk m the gallery. Were any other alterations made 7—No. Then it was merely an alteration in form, not in substance ? Haat tly so. Was there a ly indoriement on the indictment?—None. r. Scants* T.—Was the alteration in the indkunrat made befi re k wen to the Grand Juryl•—Yes, whilst the WitOnaell were amine I. hen it oral before the Grand Jury found the bill?, Yes. Hr .7. STEWART here put a aeries of quesdons,lna in so low a tone th it we are unable even to state their. purport. In cc nsequence of one of them, Mr. GOOLIIIMIN suggested to the House that tl e course of examination which they were then put; wing was not relevant to the subject before it. He had - listened attentively to the questions which had been put, and he really could not see how they af fected the conduct of the Sheriff of Dublin. It was to inquire into that conduct that the Committee had been appointed, and although he had no wish to interfere with the right which each Honourable Member had to put what question he pleased, yet he hoped that the inquiry would not be rendered inter minable by entering into an examination which could not affect the proceedings of the Sheriff. Sir R. HERON said, that it was almost impossible to draw the line with regard to the relevancy of ques tions, and their application to the subject before the House. It was impossible to say what any particu lar question might lead to, and he therefore felt that, wheneve an objection occurred, he could not do bet t,r than avail himself of the opinion of the name. Mr. W. WILLIAMS, Colonel Barmy, Mr. Gaut- BURN, Mr. IIUTCHINSON, and Mr. SCARLET?, seve rally offered a few observations. Mr. WYNN thought that the general convenience would be best consulted by confining themselves to the con luct of the Sheriff. Sir J. 'MACKINTOSH said, that there was no doubt that the conduct of the Sheriff was the object of their inquiry ; bur it was impossible to determine how far any particular qnestion might or might not bear upon that subject. He thought that there could be no other limit put than the dibcretion of Honour able Gentlemen. The witness was recalled and the etanienation reamed. Da you know Mr. Chambers?—Answer inaudiblq, Is the panel signed in the first instance, or &Newlin's, In Court ?—,lt is signed In the first instance. Were yny present at the time the Grand Jury rethitd7--An swer inaudible. Do you know Thomas Fry I.—The name Is err* panel. Do ym know a person of the name of Moore ?—I have seen him, but have no acquaintance with biln. Have you met him since?--Yes. Do you know that Mr. Moores brother-is-law is the Provost of Trinity College, Dublin ?—I cannot say. Several questions were here put to witness as to his having shaken hands with Mr. Moore, and as to the degree of ac qtaintance which be considered that act to imply; but the en s% ers were inaudible. Were you present in Court when, in consequence of a Juror 1 eing withdrawn, an announcement was made of an es-qiicio information?—l was not in Court. _ The witness here withdrew. It may be proper to state, that in reporting the conclusion of this witness's evidence, many questions have b.,ten necessarily Omitted. A great part of the examination was carried on in so low a tone, that we thought it better to leave it out entirely, rather than run the hazard of Mr. J. WI LLIA NIS moved that Terence O'Reilly be called to-the bar. Terence O'Reilly, after some delay. appeased at die bar. Mr. Wat.t.Laass.—What are yon by profession ?—I am an attorney. How long have you been so t—Six years ; ever since the year 1807—(A loud laugh). Witness corrected himself by saying that he meant 16 yeas. ne _ _ yea.... Where have you , resided during that thoe?—ln Dublin. I wish to know whetbir witness resided in Dublin at i ibe time of the late Commission Grand Jury t I did. Do you remember thetitne when the bills wire presented to the Grand Jury?—Perfectly. Were you in Court at thattinie ?—I was frequently in Court during the first and second day. Did you see Sheriff Thorpe there ?—Frequentl. • Were you present when the bills were ignored .—I was. Were you in the Office of Messrs. Green and Meow the Clerks of the Crown ?—I was. Were there any other persons there t—Tbere were: Can you recollect any of them by name?—'There were a great many persons going and returning. The conversation eras chiefly directed to a Gentleman of the name of Wird, In the profession of the law. Was Sheriff Thorpe in the Office at that time ?—He was. Did he say anything to Ward in your bearing?—He said, " I have managed this business well, for the bills are not found.— That business done, I have nothing more to de berg." Did he say anything More t—Not that I recollect. • How was he dressed 7—ln the Siterifsaccoutremente s = cocked bat and sword, If e afterwards took off his hat and and put on a surtont. • That expression was not addressed to you?—No. ' • • Did you know any person besides Hr. Ward who was peel sent ?—Yes ; a Mr. a. • Who is he ?—An attorney. How many persons were in the rown?..More than one or two. How many ?—There were four. Any clerks belonging to the Office ?—I am sure there were. • Did Sher" Thorpe say this in a loud tone of voice?—He did. Did he speak as loud as you are speaking now?—No; per haps not so loud. Then he spokrit loud enough to be beard by every one in the room t—l cannot say that • I should think not. Do you know Mr. Wa rd ?—I do. Does he knew you?—He does. Had you any conversation with him as to the finding of the Jury?—l do not recollect. Did you ever mention to any one that you bad a Conversation 'with Mr. Ward ?...No. _ _ The CH AIRMAN begged leave to state to the Committee, that the inquiry would be much facili tated were Hon. Gentlemen to propose the questions which they intended to ask through the Chair; and that Hon. Gentlemen would, while on their legs, put all the questions which they had in contemplation to demand ; which would, he thought, prevent a recur rence of the interruptions by Which the Committee bad been on the last night impeded. Mr. BANKS thought it would be contrary to Par liamentary usage to adopt the suggestion of the Honourable Baronet. The CHAIRMAN would be glad taw know in what that which he had recommended was contrary to Parliamentary usage ? Mr. BANKS said it was contrary to Parliamentary usage for Hon. Members to remain on their legs while . they asked all their questions—(a laugh.) Benjamin Ricky was then called iu, and examined by Colonel BARRY. Have you brought the returns ordered by the House =I have. The returns were then given in, and their titles read by the Clerk. They were copies of the Panels of the Dublin Commission Grand Juries for the years 1819, 1820, 1821, 1822, and for Feb 1833. Also an account of the number of Common a men summoned on the same; how many of whom were sworn ; how many fined for non-actemdance, &c. The returns were ordered to be prieted. The examination was then resumed. By Colonel Dinar. -7a you' teidasoay ou Friday lass yea Vibe; did you Ent potion this eaaversatioa T—l awe say ; I think when I was applied to as to giving evideace to aisedbar fact upaa whids I was not competent to give asides°, ; sad in stating my incompetency I awned to this anwersedem • Who applied to you to give that evidence 7—Mr. Onsidlm Who is Mr. Costello ?—An attorney. Was it relating to this inquire—l do not know. TINTO& Nifty is, that it bed some reference to is. To whom did you 'nation this fact after yearbaleseassai- L catat it to M. Cmtello ?—I did at made, this fact at 11r. CANIIi t I was applied to by Mtn swat atilllcrent, WNW.; f.... A Nicatliti-a-bues Strin,?, not say that Sherif Tito • d tti Be el h uc a i d • rpe c „. j i , abuqt /Leonid not give evidence upon tkat.stobjeei; I rue i- *I did the . builuese cleverly." timid eine eerily incontp .,, etency,.ossd . W .. doing , _. „ ata ..2 alba i,i . alid i a 7 I in: 7116optoktiiitilwolic;611.1tha7tobitinnjessectelinvtiti:isnicelord,titredtheaqt to teestigorltiestion Ms wort . ,- -) Lyon the minutes of the pt'eCediugs, as a WhiVerai die first person to whont/cosiassaeloilliishitfiala , wit h draw. let ass Istvion answer.—To young Mk.; 'tram.. !1•4 4 ,:, -,:.,-..: . .-, . Then sap I to understalid that you Paver mentiostodak V Watt,. ftatantleJ say human being before you connubnieited it wto.ystotig:.W.• . aat ila said That rt eat a h a ,ti s e ti tt te b , e t r o h a a s d k a so r d ig i h i t, ue a stio s a ns 3u , Pluakett ?—I will not say that; I may have mentioned it to, 1184 thote se ctac nce t . words in yonr Hato. indeed I believe I have conversed with others - upon• the mailings ditle ... l.liiiiishole truth. had given, it the precise words r'f Sheriff Thorpe, but I do not recollect any individual by name to whom I , metes .. but that boned It before Monday last, and then I communicated it to Mr . - - ine ness having been recalled, stated that he Plunkett, jun. at least the sense itt which the words which Mr. S'l Then you believe that you mentioned it to other persons?—l le belleve so ; hut I cannot recollect to whom. • riff mr. 'Chore Gottt, ty h t a w d , u vi se d d y i on n u h se i s pre • What induced you to mention it to Mr. Costello ?—lie asked me if •I was acquainted with a certain circumstance. meet to Mr. Make ?—i think to. What circumstance ?—Answer not heard in the gallery. Sheriff Thorpe? Not in the lout. Whets was the conversation with Mr. Costello ?— On Mon- Its answer a to ny a d i o n u es h t t ion of f t r h: ni str m ottis r. Doxhavitaigw,b:ti.tnnett,ses said I I : , ::::: day last. he had not had any conversation with Sheriff risurpe, By Mr. Wu.taasts—Wlsere were you when the bills were ignored?—ln the Mice, as I said before. _ . -- - having ' - ---- Had you beta at that-Olko free the time you first entered it until the Sheriff appeared there?-4 had been as far as the Court. How soon after she Sheriff's communication did you ascertain that the bills were ignored?—About three-quarters of an Dour afterwards. By Mr. Beowntow.—Yon attend here, I take it for ranted, by an order of the House?—No. Yoe are a volunteer, then ?.—I am not. Where have you been residing since you came to London?— At No. 5, Northumberland-street. I have been at a hotel. At what hotel ?—I do not know the name of it. Would you knew if you heard it ?—Yes. I thought you said you had been residing at No. 5, Northum berland-street?—Yes, but I have nut slept there—.(A laugh). Have you been speaking to any one since you came here, with reference to the evidence you were to give in this House? —I have. To whom ?—I don't know the name of the lawyer. Could ,you find the way to his residence if you left this place? —I don't think I could. Should you know his name if it was mentioned to yoo—l should. Was Wilma Blake?—Yes. Should you know him if he was pointed out to you.--(A cry of Order!) Who sent you to Mr. Blake ?—The Attorney-General. 1 When *did you see him ?—I called on the Attorney-General 'on Monday last, to tell him that I had arrived! (A laugh.) He thanked me for my prottipt attendance, and sent me to Mr. Blake's. What do you mean by prompt attendance?—That I bad at tended without requiring any order from the House. What conversation had you with Mr. Blake : did he tell you what you were to say here ?—No, he desired me to write down my testimony, and I did so. What has become of that written paper ?—I dots% know, I left it with Mr. Blake. By Mr. Baouottast—lle knew Mr. Ellis (of Dublin) better than any other Member of this House. He bad been in Cotton garden.—[Witness probably mistook Cotton for Covent-garden.] By a Maamm—Witness knew nothing of Sheriff Thorpe, ex cept from his dress. By Sir J. Macmorosn—The Sheriff spoke loud, and in an exulting tone of voice. By a Mamma—He had told young Mr. Plunkett, that he need not attend, who told him, be must attend, as there would be an Order of the House for that purpose. By another Manexa.--Did you hear the whole of the con versation between Mr. Warde and the Sheriff ?—1 did. Vou said that the Sheriff mentioned that no bills were found, and yet you say that the bills were not ipored for three-quarters of an hour ifter7—l said that the SherM had stated that no bills were found, or that no bill would be found. Do you know whether the Sheriff had any opportunity of cam. municating with the Grand Jury ?—1 do not. The next witness called was Dill= M'Namara, an attorney. He was examined in the first instance by Mr. Scaaeerr. Were you in Court when the Grand Jury were sitting with , the bill before them ?—I was; I saw Sheriff Thorpe in Court during the day at various times. . Do you remember seeing him at any time In the Clerk of the Pleas' (*ice ?—I did, Sir. What date?—About three &flock. Did he sallnything?—He said there were no bills, or words to that effect. • Did you bear any remark made upon that subject?—Yes; Warde asked if bins were done? and, the Sheriff replied No, make your mind easy on the result. • Was there anything particular In his tone?—He seemed well pleased at it. 'ag Mete * 'list of the Grand Jury in the Office ?—Yes, there was. • Did you knife any of them?—Yes. Can you take epos yourself to say whether any remarks were , made as to the political character of the Jury?—Yes, it was said. there were 15 or 17 Orangemen on the list. How soon after were the bills Ignored?—They were publicly , ignored about an hour after. What dO you mean by publicly ?—lt was publicly known. ' Where did you and O'Reilly first go when tbu came to Low I dos?—We went to bed!—(A laugh). By Mr. BiOWNLOW.-.-YOU aid there were fifteen or seventeen, Orangemen on the Jury: are you an Orangeman ?—I am not. Do you belong to any association 7—No ; I was a Precut's°, seven or eight years ago, but I have not recently attended their meetings. Do rou recollect any coaversation you ever held with a Mr. Dlaasidd as to packing a Jury fora client of yours? Mr. MAR'L'IN rose to order, and the witness hav ing withdrawn, he objected to this question, tending as it did in his mind, to criminate the witness. Mr. SCAItLETT saw no objection to-the question, but great inconvenience would arise from an opposite course. The witness was now asked a question; he' might, if he thought proper, refuse to answer, and it would be for the House to say then whether they would go further. Mr. MARTIN was surprised at the high tone ex-1 hibited by the Honourable and Learned Member. The CHAIRMAN said, that really nothing had been said by Mr. Scarlett in a high tone—nothing calculated to apply to the personal character pf the Honourable Member for Galway. Mr. BROUGHAM said there was really no sub stantial difference between the lion. Member 'for Gal way and his Hon. and Learned Friend (Mr. Scarlett). The witness might object to answer a question, the necessary tendency of which would criminate him el£ Had the question beer.—Did you ask the Sheriff tit pack 'a Jury for you ?—there would be weight in die argument of the Member for Galway ;Ant here the question merely . was, whether the witness hid spoken to the Sheriff as to the packing of a Jury 2 (Cries of No). After a few observations from Mr. BANICES and Mr. C. WYNN, the witness was again called in, and the question was repeated. , The witness then replied, that about nine years ago he bad bear engaged as agent for the defence of. a man, who bad ex- pressed it wish that he should make application to the Sub-Sheriff for the purpose of having some of his client's friends on theJury7 iTMs witness communicated his client's desire to Mr. Mansfield, sot no could not recollect the answer he received; as far as he wont Fall to mind, it was—" that he (Mansfield) could not aet. she the affair as desired by the accused; but that the Stun, Mee or the Castle might be able to do it; for he (Mansfield) an balt.Shetiff, had not the opportunity to do so." - ,- M. Baowwww.—Did not Mr: Mansfield intlignantiplejaft made to him ?—lie did not. . , didaet give him what your client offered ? I dilly*. . &ali eat?— Be muse he did not do shat I wanted. (Lwelow.) Twee dime was foepd guilty 7—He was. , What became of him 7—He was transported. who was your client ?—Gallipn. Clerk tor Mr. Stewart flag. Mr.Bsoosetax.—Whalwas Stewart King7s—One of the hoc Mien in chaireeri, ' • "Oa pas Gal /igen ?—itaainieer'S Clieltis 11 lI Mao s Bad be boom Wag Aker to Mt b 61410 by the ?—I don't know.prior he was sure of the words . been useds—Wit.nets waver. dered to withdraw. l'eter Tomlinson, a shoemaker, residing at the 131ack-n e t t near Dublin, was nest examined. Ile stated; that he had he t i near the shop of . a woollen-draper in Dublin, named it ss i4 Smith, when a Gentleman came to the shop, and Mr. New addressed him by " Good morrow, Mr. Sheriff." it was teed or three days before the trials. la answer to some Obserrations respecting the trials, the Gentleman, who had been addressed at the Sheriff, said, that he had the list of the Jury in his pucke r and that he expected as good a Petty Jury as 'he had ~ (;C4lll Jury. The witness bad not known Mr. Sheriff Thorpe, bur he had since seen 'lr. Sheriff Cooper, and therefore cooo t zd that, as it was not the latter, it must be the former. lie should know the person who used those words if he saw hint again , • , for he had eyed bins particularly. The nest witness was called in. Johh MaCennel stated, that on the Tuesday after the rior in the Theatre he had been at the house of a Mr. &kiwis, wi-re Sheriff Thorpe was with several other persons, among whom r was Graham, one of the traverser. Sons: observations i•. , :t plate respecting their trial, when Sheriff Thorpe declared that 6 he bad an Orange panel in his pocket." Those expression. t:.4 appeared very extraordinary to witness, who had aftcrwarde spoken of them to several persons. In answer to several qu.stions from Colonel Baas; wit..os stated that he had distinctly heard the words. The witness continued.—The expression I have Stated v.. used in the presence of several persons, and I could not be ma. taken in its use, even though all those persons bad a &feast opinion. Some persons in the ro.orhmmeigthhtannomt hyseavier.hriearce:itt.sirl. don't know if all, but some might not have heard it. I don't think any one was nearer Sheriff orp Graham. Sheriff Thorpe was distant from me as far as lam from the table when he used the expression. The room is not very large, and the Sheriff spoke rather in a moderate tone of voice. The canveration which took place could not escape the hearing of Mr. Graham, though not directed to hint. I under. stood the nature of the expressions to be of party Orangemen, for the purpose of trying the recent riots. I was surprised at the indiscretion of Sheriff Thorpe to use such expressions as having an " Orange Panel." By ?Jr. GOULZUkti.•••••I heard the Sheriff use other remarkable expressions. lie said, " I wish the Devil had the Marquis Wellesley out of chic !" There were others, the meaning of which was, that he is " an annoyance," " art old woman."-(e murmur.)—This is the meaning I attached to what I beard. This occurred upon the subject of the Orange panel being nos. dotted. I communicated these expressions on the following day to Mr. M‘Nally ; and to Mr. Wadden, four or five days theta conversation took place. By Mr. Bienant.—The expressions as to the Marquis Wd Inky were spoken in the presence of others, and he said, a I wish the Devil had him," as he left the room. By Mr.Canres.—l should think the greater part of the am patty heard these observations, but without any remark being Made; at least I heard none. The name of the Marquis Welles. ley was mentioned; and it was when Sheriff Thorpe was putting an his great coat that he said, " I wish the Devil had him." By Mr.Baowetow.—Wm. Graham beard these observation. Eight or nine persons were present at this meeting. , Wm. Poole was celled in. The CH Al Li MAN—I am just Informed that Wm. Perk is met with an accident, and cannot appear. Colonel BARRY—I ant infortned he was seen walking Mae streets yesterday. The CHAIRMAN, to the Seiler* at Arms. The mew to my inquiry was, that Wm. Poole fell from the mach se es tering London yestuday.---He is at No. 6, Downing-stmt. The CHAI RMAN—Let a messenger be forthwith stet ta No. 6, Downing -street. Colonel BARRY—Mad In the interim you can call in ball Cooper. • Sheriff Cooper examined by Sir C. Hat . .—l mamba In panel of the Grand Jury. I would not have interfered VA striking the panel, but For the letter, because I considered en brother Sheriff, as the elder, had the prerogative to do ss. Thee is an etiquette in sulking Grand Juries. The usual arrumuret is, that the elder Sheriff strikes the panel without nanowa• eating it to the junior—the junior doing so the next Tens; Oat Crown Solicitor applied to me, and I concurred in the peed; he went through the prepared list of Grand Jurors together Oil the Sub-Sheriff, who is an attorney. 1 considered souse Or names exceptionable, and mentioned it to my brother The names I cannot exactly recollect, but they were I recollect one particularly. The panel is not founded alllffit litiml ground, nor was any one excluded from It for suds V Hee. I acted conscientiously and fairly lb striking the AK and for the cause of justice. I have seen Sheriff Themelf 1, 1 company of the Lore Lieutenant more than once. , ..,_. . How did he receive him—as a rioter, et otherwhn 1 " __. O Pl he shook Mr. Sheriff Thorpe by the hand, as be al Ihr'sale Mayor, long since the motion on which I now wpm - _ .... . 6 . I ask you, Mr. Sheriff, are you looked upon an a —I am not a party man. Did you strike the Jury fairly ?—I did. Without any political feeling or bias ?—Certainly. By Mr. G IlAlTAN.—Sheriff Thorpe did give the tont 0 Tie glorious and immortal memory," Etc. Witness objected tenet or three.nanses, which were struck off the panel, but um m M. Utica! grounds. Several other names Were ransomed, Lot all a political grounds. By Mr. Ptunerrr—Witness thinks some of the Mod Slat men of strong political feeling respecting the dressing 0 (.7 1 statue, and some were not. The dressing of the statue bar_ prevented, in November, by the Lord Mayor, and a censa n 7 passed on hint by the Corporation for it. An elecdoe of ( k porators took place soon after, and during theseelectiomfF i l political feeling existed in many of the Guilds, °pedlar •'°` Guild of Merchants. The Guild of Merchants alma Will you look at this printed list; was it not WOO 111 persons friendly to the dressing of the statue, te Wita_e.f i ,, of their Sentiments being chosen on the panel?-rorr" as if it were. .. . . ' Read it.—Witness—'e The glorious and intm William the Third." Underneath this—" G IV b.. times ;" then rah the names of persons so deal a picture aboveof King William treading on the .. i .l.„„„ The knave was supposed generally to meant hr,Pid_Wi l l (A loud laugh).—There were some of these " soca 01 """..._ 4 ,..„ tittles" sworn on the Jury in January—Mr. Stab Ms. ar'n,":,;, son, Mr. Wood, Mr. C. Olin, Mr. Joseph, Mr. SONO4__A... - prey, and Mr. Robert Dodge. On the Grand Jur y had been struck off, A Mr. Poole was one. - Bit . 4 4048 ...„,. mired by Mr. Sheriff Thorpe to be put on the Gnash man before, and received a promise, he believed, to that . _ . . i . Poole, he beard, had taken a part in the Corpora** I the measure of dressing the statue in the mooch of • ,_; about the time when the new Corporators were drat!! 01 chosen. Never beard his brother Sheriff say that IL •ought to be struck Out of the list of Grand Jurors kw., was a Constitution man. it By Colonel Briar.— In the state of Dublin now , he possible tp find a Grand Juryman who bad not .., re opinion ou the question of the statue and the toast/_.... LI!. opinion that all such persons have formed an opinion "'r a j ;ea. He could not think that such persons, girth* a" '`"- Juty, would perjure illumwlves by giving a false viced . ..r an occasion. 400 Examined by Mr. BILIOUGIPLAMThe Sheriff was _ .....„, being in.the fi rst instance returned ,by the Common ep_n the court of. Aldermen. -lie knew of a Sxiety .7 1 4 cable Society; many of these were acting Members a n t,/ poratinh, though the Society was not within the 011epir, They often recommended their friends to the ales of a'" -and 'a* to thenetheir influence to procure dick_ L.., is number were seat tip by dill COMMON tO dot Palm .. , -1 t In It oh ft.l 4r h at V vre 'S kil Um ne au se, )71 w~ n ae~ • has see,