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6-the iudivitlaal had otiostion, it appeared receive 100- ia.hes.a..- - ame nature, and .had- sties. He would. only---,i, ' private John Sutton, -. oldierlike.conducLiok....7' r. The,lfouse ovigNi-.c. ....- to iotnething that All .: that this *was . -theetite. ring ezeitard his few, cl by levainwhis pitkb,. l e, et the.4lEoer Wiso .der. -Hemust intit /5t talent for n =AMPS ' ... lecision. 'JohnSim:ok ,- : conduct in improved/. : . a len the regiment vierA ~.‘: tighter).—ticli iiift': .. rho represented bier* •-•-: ersecuted individual) ^")• e, might they not ttfin : --- lis tiderit Gracck* ft+ kllen had been treated _ ..a impartial man could (duct to his superiors; its, was a proper Per- . . . of a regiment. ire on half-pay, had ituation to wivich hum' been reduced by OA id been allowed to sell Kith, repr! , ,ented in his private fortune of them as he might 2 fact was, he had re- ich he helj, from the and had not paid for It aas unnecessary En and he should leave cy tmitight proper. ch of the service, but use for complaint like .rted. ask the Noble Lord if made was, founded .on 'a' by which Colonel Commander-in-Chief • nad vet t can the con. rs who had acted with d Court-Martials if there would be:my 'use the proceediugsof the fiat question, re founded on the 31i , the second, that the thought it necessary of the other Officers Court-:tlartials, con.. Allen would be suf. such proceedings; it there would be an -red to, as he did not ler prosecuted with leficial result. it great abuses htd lrporal punishment, opportunity had bees the course which had 7n. in adding to by a Court Martial. effect. . it to be understood had taken place. It . whether stn Officer or not. In this case a puni►hment; that Colonel Allen, consi the command of a .e military punish. Iy—whether, after subject to the opi ich as he could bear brought out again ?, the practice was to the human constitu- ged to explain the respect to Colonel in his life; and after Ile Lord, so far as .d, he felt disposed re the Court. He, is difficult to distin the removal of an sentence of a Court was his intention to .len the Mutiny Bill 'ng, when it was to it should be an -in consider of the prc 'e of the Crown in iat prerogative oldie Gentleman thought Colonel Allen wits have imagined, if he cicular - instance its most apparent. The effected in the have been dismissed the option bad bees► W-pay or selling his )nsidered to beabso. , of the service. be made on a Man's reason, it t►as necessary to mike oneon his back, He was anxious that corporal pu • rashwient should be resorted to as seldom as possible, but:was against doing it away altogether. He won dered that the Officers in the House had trot looked more closely into this• case, into what perhaps might be stated in behalf of Colonel Allen, instead of sup porting the prerogative claimed for the Crown with a fine chorus of—Hear, hear, hear ! The Petition was ordered to be printed. A Message from the Lords announced their Lord ships' assent to the tteliequer Bills Bill. COMMUTATION OP IRISH TITHES. Mr. GOULBURN said it was within the recollec tion of the House, that during the last Session he had been repeatedly pressed by several Hon. Members from both sides of the House, to express what were 1?!e opinions and intentions of the Irish Government upon the subject of a commutation of tithes, and that 'lie had uniformly replied, that early in the present Session he should be prepared to introduce either a measure for the consideration •of Purliament, or to state the reasons why the Government of Ireland were unable to recommend any particular proposi tion to the House. It was to fulfil the pledge which he had so made, that he now offered himself to oc cupy their attention, while he developed the course which, with the leave of the House, the Irish Go. vernment were prepared to pursue. In entering upon such a subject, he was far from being insensible to the difficulty of the task which he had undertaken: it was, indeed, impossible to contemplate the vast and complicated interests involved and comprehended in the question of tithes, their identification with the In stitutions of the country, and the vatious opinions afloat thereupon, without being prepared, when in troducing a plan in the way of remedy, to expect a • great variety of conflicting opinions, and to have to ielinquish any hope, of securing general approba tion : notwithstanding this impossibility to attain una nimity, he still thought it right to propose for dis cussion the best plan which, after mature considera tion, he was prepared to submit to the House—a plan which he knew at the same time must excite appre ' hensions in some minds, and distrust in others : ne vertheless, the time had, he thought, arrived, when some specific measure became expedient; and he therefore trusted that they would net receive unfa vourably (at least at the outset) a proposition which so many reasons prompted him to urge (Hear, hear). If he thought this were the proper stage for him to enter into minute and detailed explanations, he would have'bem ready to go into an extent of argument elucidatory of the foundation upon which the prin ciple of his measure reste,l; but he collected that, in the opinion of many persons whose judgment he re s?ected, it would be more expedient and agree able to them, and more generally satisfactory to the country at large, %sere he on the present occasion to confine himself to a simple statement of the outline of his Bill, to have it printed and generally circulated throughout the country, and to postpone the general discussion upon the details until a future period, suf ficiently distant to admit of the expression of the . sense of the country upon its merits—(lxear, hear). —Under these feelings he should now propose to state the objects he had in view. It was . his inten- . tion to iequest leave for the introduction of two se parate Bill•—one intended to promote a temporary composition of tithes in Ireland, for a time. to be li mited ; the other for a permanent commutation. In stead of separating liiisexplanation of each, he should for brevity's sake combine his arguments upon both. _Passing by, therefore, all general observations, be should at once enter into the description of the me chanism of his proposed measures. His first Bill re lated to the limited composition, and proceeded'upon the principle of endeavouring to effect a voluntary • .. agreement between the owners and the payers tithes; and the mode brwhich it was proposed to effect that voluntary agreement was, by an. arrange. silent rendered complicated indeed in its process by the peculiar situation of Ireland, the minute ettent of the claim of tithes upon all classes, and by the duffs culty of working any local machinery in that country, j owing to the different tempers and habits, so often; ' found in the middle' and lower classes there, com pared with those of the corresponding ranks in Eng land,-whose executive assistance was resorted to with so much effect and advantage in local The proposed arrangement was this—that the Lord Lieutenant should have the power, upon the requisi tion of the Incumbent of .any Benefice or Parish, or upon the desire of a certain number of the payers of tithes within the parish, to direct the assembling of a given number of the inhabitants to act in the nature of a Special Vestry, to regulate the preliminary na ture of the arrangement between the parties. It was - obvions that much of the value, and justice, , and sa tisfaction of the arrangement would depend upon the , character and conduct of the parties acting as a.Spe : vial Vestry, in regulating the mode of composition.— It was, therefore, intended to propose a qualification which was to constitute the eligibility of the pa rishioners to sit upon the inquiry : those who paid a . particular amount of tithes were alone to be compe ' tent for the purpose, so as to exclude the great mass of the small payers, whose presence. would,• in ali probability, instead of assisting in the progress of the arrangement, mar its: settlement, and render, as was , often found in popular Meetings, the place, a scene of tumult and contention, instead. of %business.... lie trusted that the persons called to, act in.behttlf of the parishes in this business. would he•pruelent; im partial, and sensible men, who would act fairly and justly in the performance of 'the duty assigned to them. Suck persons would, as it were, be a repro,. tentative body on the partof the parish ; and-frens '.... the circumstance of their, paying a higher amount of :' tithe than the great bulk of their fellow-parishioners l , they m ust na . ura ll y be d eeme d by the latter as :A t ii 1 cleetly interested in promotiag the fair. eaooompof . the whole. With respect to the manner - of levying ' 1 the-composition e-gomposition u pow the parishioners, it was-ins:ended i to appoint special a t.p.cfsfs, who .were•to affix and levy the several assessments.upon the holdings of-in ditninals within their parish , in a_manner.staillac tie the P oor .ratts' assessments An ;this country ky . the 1 local vestries. Land at -peesent . tithe-free was •iiir course to retai'i its present exemption.; but there' w2ll another species of land—that which, paid tithe. in agistment—which was not to. be so, exempt. but. to bear n s equal proportion of the - assessment-- l'ieex;•/rear-).—The only remaining - point to explain I especting the temporary Bill was to secure to the Incumbent his power of levy in case of non-pay- the length of some !le high prerogative le Crown. lie was then in the Home interest. Was there of Colonel Allen' . brought to trial for . be one of those grebe ere aiming at Jupiter remembered.a str .arty.of Marino; hit : objection to- receiteo. sad, as he , knew' hoi! make a. regime into. at. it: not .alb be. ner r thiVitetigaet4 oo4 %Ter. or der s virostlia imprelsimi coal& sot rent ; and therefore it . w*prnaidel, giatlitaehaist sag _remedy, ;lamely, a Trintita% of • de* 4 mon she troy . before the landlord, - should be 'still mores) to him. Such was the o u tli ne o f hi s tem p ora ry traellae. • His permanent one was this—it was .pr4owa in every case where t h e mutua l consent o f the Ow . fri man and the parishioners should be obtained, a per manent contract should be entered into fir the pur pose of securing to the Incumbent a certain prepor tion of land in fee, in lieu of tithes. The parties were to have the power of applying to the Commissioners for the reduction -of the National Debt for money to purchase such land in fee, and they were to be re paid for the interest and principal of the money to sunk by the due amount of the composition affixed fox the tithes of the parish. He trusted that this would be found to be a measure not having regard to any local or mere individual interests, but directed to the attainment of ends highly essential to the com mon good (Hear, hear)—that whatever defects he might have admitted into it, credit would be given at least for sincere intention to make its operation subservient to the general welfare, tranquillity, and happiness of Ireland—(Cheers). - The Right lion. Gentleman then moved «for leave to bring in a Bill to establish a commutation of tithes for a temporary period in Ireland."—(Hear.) Mr. M. FITZGERALD gave full credit to the Government, for the object by which they were ani mated. As to the second Bill, he should defer his remarks to the time when the Bill came before the House. As to the first Bill, it appeared to him that it would retain much of the-uncertainty of the pre sent law. Besides, in many parishes, there were no Protestant inhabitants to adjust the Tithes. lie was of opinion that a Tithe of Agistment should be levied, but not that such lands should be liable to the com position. He trusted the income n ould be proportioned to the duty to be performed, and that every Gentle man would consent to pay a ceitain sum for his estate, and thus prevent the fluctuation and uncertainty that had hitherto prevailed. Sir H. PARNELL said, that the Bill would do away with the Tithe Proctors, who bad been a source of great grievance. He wished that the whole system of tithes should be abolished, and no option be in any case allowed. He was certain that land might be ap plied to the commutation of tithes without any loss. *Sir JOHN NEWPORT was gratified by the course that was meant to be adopted. He hoped that all classes would be called on to pay their fair proportion. Of the Bill he would say, that it promised well ; al though, at the same time, the machinery would be, more difficult than it would be in this country. But should it succeed, that machinery might be applicable to other objects. Mr. CAREW agreed entirely in the proposition of Ilse Right Hon. Gentleman, and in the commenda tions that had been bestowed on it. Ireland had reason to bless the day on which the King visited it, and the :Representative which he had sent her. Mr. SPRING RICE congratulated the House and the country on the change that had taken place with respect to Ireland. Last year measures of estreme rigour, though necessary, had been resorted Do. In the present Session all had been measures of .conci., liation, that would produce an ample harvest of gra- 1 titude. The conduct of the landholders of Ireland would shew how far they were disposed to go in the way of conciliation. Perhaps it would be desirable that the support of the Church should devolve on the landlord, and-nor on the tenant. Mr. H. HUTCHINSON thanked Ministers for 'their conduct on the present occasion. The system of unkindness that had so long been practised to Ire- 816,311,959 795,312,767 £20,999,172 2,424,762 • As M. AnlieMdfries% a that.,*figthaemsidet4tion 'not well boast of public credit; trpe credit de al-this Report be postponed until the Wth 'of April." . pended solely on an ability to pay, by increasing Ats. Ocilonel • *at Minty of opinion, that - the . .growing revenues of the country. Au extinction of turplos of the revenue should be applied to a finking debt wnuld.be more speedily effected-hy encouraging -Fund.. From the connexion betwnen.the Land and the resources of the country, than by pressing. upon Fundholdrr, whatever was for the benefit of the lat- , the People..' A Shifting Fund was not iremded for der must ixteve advantageous to the former. The i the benefit of the public creditor, but for the *dean reduction of the Leather Tax had been of no benefit cage of the public debtor, by extinguishing the debt to the Landowners. las speedily as possible. For these reasons he should Mr. W. SMITH stated that had not the Leather su pport the motion of the_.Member for Wareham. Tax .been taken off, the price of leather would have i Mr. RICARDO contended, th a t Are had actually . greatly increased. He thought a small part only of, got rid of some of the .charge of the Debt,.by . the ;fr- the s u rp lu s revenue should be reserved to meet any t i on o f t h e Si n ki ng F und. H e t h ought the, Ast, - uneepttted contingency or defalcation. come to a better understanding, however s on the s4p: Mr. J. MARTIN supported the motion , ject of a Sinking Fund, for be did not think,it. was. Mr. J. DlibiErrhopedthe motion would be per- be of any use as it was .now reenlated. The last sisted in. was, at one time, a real Sinking Fkotd, .apd so were Si rJ. SHELLEY thought that three millions would all the former; but they all, in time, as well as be enough to apply. to the Sinking Fund, and thus became fictitious Sinking Funds. tie hoped the qtl4o. four millions could be taken off from taxation. till to cellos of the Exchequer would consent to a Mr. HIJME said, thathe was anxious as make a abolish the Half pay Annuities; for then the Anttnii few observations. In some-years to come, those who ties, as,they fell in, might be applied US puhile should live to see it would find that the Sinking poses. It would be policy to call the Sinking ,fttbdt Fund would not reduce a single pound of the national but three millions, and then they could not call nit' debt. The only. way h.y which the debt could be at the Chancellor of- the Exchequer.so repeal .five mil all reduced would be by cancelling it when a clear lions of Taxes. He looked at the debt of .800 tqll surplus should appear. The Chancellor of the Ex- lions as a most serious consideration, and he looks/. chequer had stated, on a former night, that the debt, at the means of lessening it. He considered the heart by means of the Sinking Fund, had been reduced by burnings which it occasioned every year, and the ter twenty-four millions, an assertion which surprised him rible consequences to posterity ; and therefore, be. (Mr. Hume) very much. In order to shew that the wished for a reduction of Taxes, which would get rid statement of the Right Honourable Gentleman was of all the expense of collecting, of the immorality not correct, he called • upon the House to attend to arising from the Excise and CustootoLauers; and would the following statement increase the coninterce of the country. it was there- BY PAILL474II24TAIIT Pans, No. &r,', or 1819. fore not fair, when such were his opinions, for the The amount of Unredeemed Funded Debt on sth January, 1815, was - - Z 752,857,235 Member for Taunton (Mr. Barin, on a former even ing, to have attribut e d g) to him, that he only.thought of legislating for stocks and stones, and not for. men. But, to effect his objeets, he wished for a different Parliament, because, he was a little afraid of this Parliament, that it had so little regard for the peo ple, that it would dip its hands into their pockets again. He contended, - the Stocks did not affect the interest of money, though the rate of the latter might . . have an influence on the Stocks. Mr. BARING was still of opinion that the plait of the last speaker to get avid of the Notional Debt was ' specious, but it was that of >t from who hadnerec stu died mankind, and-had lest sight or the practical one rationsof his plans upon human nature.-- , tHeer).— The Hon. Gentleman still admitted_ that a Sinking Fund was a good thing, and -yet he did not wish it kept up. When Gentlemen told them of the advan tages of the repeal of taxation, they ought always to . add what the. consequence to a great country would . be if it.were suddenly plunged into a war. He did not say that the Sinking Fund should be taken to support war, because wars were more expensive thah the amount of the surplus revenue of any country, and therefore they were obliged to borrow ; and that could never be done so advantageously as where a Sinking Fund was established—(Hear).—Could any one believe the Hon. Member for Aberdeen when he said a Sinking Fund left us more in &WlC'', when a person attempted to persuade him.that . he: was in darkness when the room was full of candles, Ite.(Nr. Bariug) never listened to such arguments--(ffearj. The House should not be at all discouraged that' font.. or five millions were not sufficient for a very . er--'' fective Sinking Fund, and especially if 'the country • were allowed td remain at peace. He 'was so strongly • convinced that they were pursdlng a tight course in ' maintaining pnblic credit, that be shati)d s support the original isr monon„ though - he knenoihirig , to"preiktit the putting 'ciff the subject till July, if any good : ' son were adduced why it should be so. postponed. Mr. WARRE said, the House was; day after-day, • entertained with a display of tba lucubtations and plans of the two last speakers, and he thigh; apt* them the distich in a humorous publication; that ty - . Puzzled by explanation,. • • • And confusEd by elucidation ! - He did not choose to follow either of them, sous to tie up his hands from enabling him in the course or . this Session to move for the reduction of any parti- . ; cular tar. He would take the liberty of recommend ing to the 'Chancellor of the Exchequer, to consider whether reduction of further taxes might not be made, even with a view to the increase of the Reveries...lie: declared most solemnly that he had no intention pt . crippling Ministers at the present crisis. Before the end of. the Session, we perhaps would be' placed in such • .ts crisis as would - require the hand; of the Go.' yernment to be in some degree strengthened.. Hesoished however to Tote for the motion of his Hon. Friend s. Mr, CALGRAFr said, as none of the MilistmD4 spoken, be should not say a word in reply. 'The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQMVIiiii ; " but remained for some time standing -before he could , iletain a hearing. He then said, that had - the House condescended to base listened, to him,, they would. have known that he-was not going-to break drotigh the rules of the House by speaking to the question upon which discussion was closed, but to plead:indis position as the motive of his silence-flear s 401, H aving.o pon two occasions verysecently gone through, at some length, and with much painful elortion i topics which had been again. brought, under, dischs• sion that evening, he thought he might be allowed to remain a spectator, rather than a participator in the debate—(//ear, hear).--41e begged also to add, that as be had heard nothing new introdoced-into the diac,ussion, and the Honourable Mover' had - an-. 0/.Gentlemen on . hits nstOmle 6(4 . • ( eir),—he more .etpe6mlljr„coasiderid he rjht field to the impatience tipr the'Huate; without disrespect to die- ileac:, Moresioet - tbe Seek; abstain from taking opitiO,retitnen4fleasj. , ,Mr. CALCRAFT said, if the iiishx t 419Rejkok Gentleman was indisposed•to *OM . .1 1 •Ve es . -the Ministerial tide might do in% ' sif \ :,14 7 0; ettiOirite aitesiiirsilr7 nave' Novae Ow divided WCIONAWIOIII4OIIO6.** . Assiisst it, 93-Majority , •36. oii . h e • Resolutions weee, =la iwr - ' llllll4* O ' Cl i aCk"rr - 4,1;e bi49l/1-dzbl•likft Br Parilitnastary- Parrs : 4 111 1110134 ( * Ra o iitiat in: the /eat' ending itutttary " britistulnantstions, amonnteik to 3.20111,8911*WWG. flootations 1ig,953 cwt. liffa d*.4 l ll l l 2 lAtillV~i a lto Tour quistitilenported 5A43,10.7.cart. dud.; ug. sagaitAttiflortfl l / 4 1-itiwittnlt4 tti IP31911011611.: Via lawilf). - quantity of apgaF .exported to all puts. iiv.thißAlßrter r ifial. , 1,046,40, cwt.: • ' • • • 7 . •7: :1 . .• . •7. •At t sally 1111 01 1Aidq, 1150fils1114 arrivittrig Sigy#l.thFt off wit it ipta4atttAtitesafigitlosisfitalwri., 57, terlifs:i.aocaliffir . 'Gibe lidilityNafoing aiialvitite fffliaitimN 14. to 64. upon the wine inalks, within :Lc la,t six amnia , 4 Mac., • I. fonnde the sec thougl of the Court- -1 Allen of suet ht ther - erred tc rther p neficis that gri corpors upport the COI rown, d by a e effe ed it ti 1 had t ne or not, as apt Colon le the ether! • • erly, d, sul • uch brow the the 1 • .ge res in hi oble I ned, ve as. di the e seal t. wai hen ving, at it cons ive c hat I Get f C hay • rti4 me bee] hat , alf-1 ons; of the the he s th int if 0 d be ere le • art: o C 1 CalC t. er And on Sth January, 1816, maximum • And on sth January, 1822, by page 178 of.the Finance Account Diminution since sth January, 1816 - Unfunded Sth January, 1816, in Ex chequer and irialiTreasury Dills, per Nu. 35, of 1819 - £45,938,823 And on sth January, 1822 . 41,514,061 Real Diminution - - £23,423,924 But the Chancellor of the Exchequer says that the diminudon is - lids is accounted for a. fellows, viz. Of the Loans raised in 1815. for which no less than St millions of capital was created, at the rate of 4100 for every • £52 of money received, .05,939,863 of the money remained to be paid after die sth of January, 1816, although the whole of the capital created was included in the account of 1815; and with the £5,939,803 of money received in 1816, Three per Cent. Stock was purchased at 62, to the amount of 9,563,082 And there was cancelled between the sth of Ja- • ovary, 1816, and the sth of January, 182 4 2, by conversion in life Annuities - 3,268,964 In 1816, there was received from the Bank three millions, at an interest of three per cent. with which three millions there was cancelled of other Three per, Cent. Stock, .C 4,840,000, being • `an excess of . - - - - 1,840.000 And in 1818, 22,999,920 money was received from certain holders of Three per Cent. Stock, to the amount ar £27,272,000, for converting that meant into a Thee and a Half per Cant. Stock, and with the £2,999,920 there was pur chased of Three per Cents. - - - 0,846,000 And in 1820, • seven millions of Exchequer Bills weft funded for 4 4 6,930,000 of Five per Cent. StOekorith which ansount of 8i1150210,209.,500 • of Three:per Cent. were purchased, being- an excess. of ----- . 3,272,500 'And there has been cancelled of 'three per Cents. by the Operation of redemption of Laid' Tax 664,032 Total.dindnutitin accounted for - '£2%454.578Leav;- 224,766,580 land, had'now given place to one of grace and con- _ ...airing, by the operation of the Sicking Fund, a ciliation. He hoped that steps would be taken to re- diminution. of only 2,311,9444 according to the lien as much as possible the Catholic from the pay- Chancellor of the Exchequer's own statement, and of ment of tithes. 13y the declarations of last night 968,7561. only, according to the real fact, although much could be done to produce tranquillity and con- in the same period there has been an actual excess of ciliation in Ireland. • taxes of no less than 7,528,8691. as stated in the note 1 Colonel BARRY said,.that for several years-many to the 16th Resolution; and so far from there being Clergymen in Ireland had receivednothingfrom their any diminution in the annual charge, .although the livings.—He approved olthe Bill. rate of interest en the Unfunded Debt has been re- Mr. V. FITZGERALD thought the proposed snea- duced from Sid. to 2d. per day, making a total re sure had a tendency to conciliate all classes •of men duction of no less than 911,500/• per annum, the in Ireland, though he would not pledge himself to the amount actually charged for interest and manage particular details of the Bill. ment of the Unredeemed Debt, Funded and Un- Mr. GRATTAN thought the present measure the fended together, has been as follows, via. best that had been adopted-for centuries. In 1317 - - - £31,266,601 Id 1818 - - - 31,3519751 Colonel FRENCH save his warmest approbation in 1819 - - - 30,722,025 to the measure. la IBM - - - 31,256,120 Mr. GOULBURN, in reply.to a-question that had. Ia 1821 - -- - 31,966,078 been put to him by Mr. HUME, stated, thatit •wasin- The Hon. Member concluded by strongly contending tended that the composition should-last for a- certain that at the present time as much relief as possible from period—fur instance,.2l-years ; -but that ;'valuation taxation should •be granted, till all interests were should betaken every Vim years, in order that the brought to their fair level, and that not till then any income of the Clergyman might always bear a fair efforts should-be made for the reduction of the debt. , proportion - to the existing.price of corn.—Lease•was Mr. J. SMITH could not attempt to enter into-the then given to bring in the Bill. calculations of the Hon.. Gentleman, nor did he much agree with him ; for, in his opinion, during the last SINKING FUND. war, it 'would have been impassible for this country : The CHANCELLOR o f theExematTEßtnoved to:Ilan -obtained supplies without the existence of a the Older of the Day for receiving the Report onthe National Debt Bill. Sinkingjtind. He believed that it gave a security to the Government Contractor • which enabled him • The Report was brought up and received; and on to afford• such terms to the Government which he the question for taking it into consideration, could hot have else afforded.- When the Consols were .• Mr; CALCRAFT adverted to the difficulty he had a s 47,E nothing but a Sinking Fund could have sup formerly stated, which appearest to him as quite de- ported , commercial credit. He -was glad to find, chive -against proposing - the father repeal of taxes, therefore, that the Government was disposed to sup. if this Bill were once allowed to pass. He was there. port aSinking:Fand ; though, at the same time, he fore under the necessity a opposing the progress of k new th a t n o t hi ng cou ld more support public credi! . this-measure; though he assured the Right Honour- thlatecooomy and retrenchment. He heard the other 'table Gentleman - opposite that he did•not do so per- night a-speech which gave him the highest satisfac versely. -He was for applying a surplus- revenue to tion ; which proved that the new system of Govern the --reduction Of Debt when the • &saucer Of the went was for economy and retrenchment, though the country- would bear it. Her theiuglit,.. hoivever, that former had- entrenched themselves behind theit Par the best security of the public credUOr.mas to ,be liamentary iuftuence, and refused all reduction until found in the prnspeeitY of the vounkry, rather thela beaten out of their 4trogg bolds- . When agrzer. in. :the preserratien• of 'the Sinking - Fp4d. • With, i • .• . • eaouara7 • was established, they wOnM .the - ug. view, therefore, to the consideration of me. quest*, Fund have its effect in-reducingibe.delat. For sea whether a further reduction of talation ceillti not be sons he had mentioned he should support- the_motiiiit effected,- he'should propose as 'an amendsisent,. that of the Rklit lion,Ginttlemaa- i • ..' • • :•. A.• the further consideration of thie.l* isertirtOoekponed Mr. 4ONCk believed tliat.theaSitikine Fitn4 tett to the 20th of April, and upon - this DiStiost he Shell! u p. t b o si ot b s; but be did not b e li eve th a t it had any take the sensoof the House. - Thittionieilbr of the effect in reducing the Natiort4Delat. Our Debt•ba • Exchequer had stated• the necessity of pasting the Isiten.so•contrjeed thatitOstetl44l fre.Oltinieletcd i measure before , April,' for ese-purpoie• of in ficili- f egit k o , meese we j t h eoilaw e s i ewe ii; ir e _iii tp ., tatiag the teahill up'of.'the - Palk heeth 3l o 3 i'bilt loud the system of dabbles. int , a Three per .Lee ' the-oily incoonneencr-vettft .„ lyrodld- arisefrodt dr . • i st e gic v add COntiadit.4olleildination weuld-rei-re-, postponement, would be the making up of the tidbit it' rfcey t b at w • 4,, A 4 b on . * rowe d attat . jeCOgati .in July Meteor/ sif April. '-' Herepeotert his V may,Geottemaikbacei. e brisrowe4 at stick an - - C2' Witt. that a remission of -toilitienivikhetate plait tolggan,rate„;a44.qrd,Clianc.elrot s , - ,ip,.l4S'Ciihrt & withuur aity injury-to. public- -credit ;' for 'the/itr ntier whuld uot bald him tipmnrkeo pay flilime prihetial or` sows a titne , methen a ciefitiegicr Cif 4eVentre-wittelest 't4P ; oterer a;The t e seethed' to - be osierior 'as to What NI& be apprehended than at present. Removed therefore, lic credit was; foe under such circuM4,araces we could