Star. — London, England, 1831-08-13 00:00:00

bi • .* . thi-e tote of it,. !midir prim*, in al ivli it was stated rt. t Ott t had eommi.ted a dora'fill morage on three Irish et•rers : he had received infornottion from Lincoln this .1 r. which derived it to be an tint unded calumny. Lord MORPRTII presented petitions 'won Leeds and ?l soptinst the law of settlement ; and a petition from e‘ do. rooting that all marriages hewer.) Catholics in Eng et•l•Frovr.l by extl'olie Priests. he legalized. roleseel TRENCH said, the extreme neat of the hone. sc lu.n filled with !nemitent, the current* oe air passing throu.th it. Ito) e frequent enisea st• tin the crowding of members w tem h a d 1, 1 1 him to turn his attention to the int. rrefe ., nt of the house, and the committee appointed for tloit motto... had It. first meeting this mornine, and were of opinion. that the lonise r quirt(' improve to. • • Ts.. improvement he PTIKIO.Od would cost about !I•erti. ,ntl would off sc-ommod ititrit for about 120 mym he, 'lotr than ar mesent. and would also increase the faei- I''s re' hearieg. He mentioned the subject to the house diet l'oss. gentlemen mi;ht bestow Pn7l.• atten inn nn it. The' hots, gentleman moved. that Sir John Wrottesley and Lord T Tatnore tobled to Vie CO'nmi . l..r. Mr. M. O'F IMRE If. aas strod the alttreion would stin:rish the •refermodatit n for !ming; rs. Celine) TR ENCH said i• would iron...sae it. 1 [The merino was a.m.( d to. • ' Mr. GORDON sail, he senile take that opportunity of setting Mosel right with the house on req. of the most afro rims libels ever published ; hot he ...toad not follow up his ohs rva•ion w 1 li any moti hitt on ;Id rate a more efree- ' t,,,) method of vindicating himself against the calumny was contained in the Poor Mates Guardia*, which ea.:Ntined two letter.. purporting to be written by him to the both of a /lie) were forgeries. [The hon. tomb( r • ent read the 1, 1! . r ...1 'sir 0. CLENE brought on the report of the bill fur :attending the turnpike tics of Sect-land. Mr. DIXON said, there were clauses in the hill which would met es a prohibition on steam carriage.. lie Amid not ojt•et to tax steam.carriattes when they were properly eassaished, and it was ascertained how much taxation they could bear. Sir G. CLERK said, the clause. of the bill respecting etenm.earrisges were suggested to him by Mr. Gurney. the • inv Mr. DIXON said, more mischief er is does by ignorant legislation than by nomination. The Rennet was antlered to he reenmmloed en Friday. Sir 0. CI.F.RK said. he was Chairman of the Jedhargh Elec,ion Committee, before whom it appeared, that the eke. Col was interrupted by a vi lent rite, and that one of the .lectors was carried away. and prevented (rem giving his v , •t• ; he wished fo oak the Lord Advocate whether he hail ;•rissecti tea the dr oder"? The Lf MD A DVOCA TR said he had commenced pro ..e•ttions against several r mins, and the trials should be, oroceedell on with the least possible delay. GILLON presented a hetition from Linlithgow, corn. lassoing of the delay in passing the R. form MIL T:te SP ft 1E RN asked the hon. member could he account for tile erasures in the petitien ? Mr. GI LLON said some of the expressions were too strono. tint he had erased them. (A laugh.) • he SPEAKER said the petition was no longer that o' the reties. 'lr. G11.1.0N withdr -11 , the petiti.m, and said the s•rongtoit feeling pervaded Scotlattd to have the reform bill p without delay. Sir IV. W. WYNN presented petitions from the Grand J;try of Denbigh. against the use of sugar and molasses in I , r werieti and di. Merits. Lord CH A Nll4ls supported the petition. I Mr. N. CA I.V RIFF presented a similar petition frem the maltsters of W.re. Mr HUNT presented a petition from Preston. for the ✓.ot.tal of the corn love, commonly called the Starvation „Jet. The retilon w.s in strong language, hut he speed wi In tl•e tit t .loners that the (rim Bill was a cruel. unjust. to 41 inhuman law. Ile well remembered that the Act was n-soll in 1813, at the point of the bayonet ; Members being ot•ltged to go down to the house under a rued of soldiers. Mr C. FERGUSON said, the Act of 1815 was no longer it t xistence. Sir R. INGLIS said, the hon. gentleman was night after ri presenting petitions that it was difficult not to rekct ; they went as near the wind as possible. It was foe the house to consider whether such petitions should be printed and • creelatell. . Mr. CIOPPS thought the Corn Bill had done infinite Sir M. RIDLEY deprecated entering Iron a debate on t'•t: Corn Bill on a petition. He thought the petition ought to he received and plow!, rather than waste time in dia. citation., Lord ALTHORP said. the Hon. Gentleman had not resit the strongest part of the petition. The Noble Lord rea 1 a passage which stated that the pimple would not much Inngyr submit to the oppression under which they a. re sufferieg ; and the British lion, in his rage. might seater both peers and prelates. lie thought the petition might Mr. to he withdrawn. HUNT said he should not censent to withdraw the petition. Mr. tl fiRR :Itoti g ht Alernhers who presented such moitions did not do their duty. They must know such language would prevent the petitions being taken into con. Nil; ration.—The house divided— Ayes Noes Majority against receiving the petition.. 124 RITORM. Lord A 11.T1103 p moved that the house rewire itself vita a Committee on the Halpern in Parliament 11‘11. PELGICM. Mr. CROK ER said, 17;;;:u1dnot, in justice to the cba. er of titi• country in Europe. del'ty noticing a %eject of, tit; gyrate*t public into :st. Tie observations he Ws.. about to make applied simply to the conduct of his %Hest% 's II into' rs in that Must. The high re•peet he felt tor his Noble Friat.7 (Lord Palmerston) would prevent his making ,15 , 4 63107.6 nt..t c.0t1.1 be disrespectful towards him. He s'totthi r.-cal to •he c.ion of the house what had already It.•tt oh,ce tei the. sulject of l'elgium. He hoped his Noble V o t ,1 w. (1%1 now answer the question when the invasion sit ootti t-y lloo!:ard was first communicated to bins? I PA 3! ERSTON said. on vriday. Mr. CROKVR said, on the fifth of August it was stated t t •'lc boos,- by the Chanctlior of th- Exchequer, that ad. ✓ had to ell r.c.i•ed nom Sir ('hart.', Bigot chat notice t.: h.er given to the Dutch lievernment that the armistice v •• to be look:o, sod be had no deuht it was broken. The • . isle lord added that they had received the account with the ✓ 3 , . at strrise, bt cause there was at the me moment a R . I . a • cr sent to this country hy the King of the Netherlands o r ties :ter re,;ttt ;anon. who had not mentioned the fat. to th •ei•reisfv at an interview witch he had had ‘. ti% noble triecd. By that otwervatort the noble '...1 in.innt•ed something like pertly on the part of Llel On To. sday the same facts were repeated in that to use. With ,:nat surprise he learned from the report of a tirinte to another ;dace. that not oft!y bed the Dutch v.rntitent beer mill of ro perfidy or breach of faith. but that on the Wednesday morning. the Dutch minister waited . it his noble friend. and delivered him a letter, which re. morel in his pos•easion upwards of 24 hours unopened.- - The letter was addressed to the Conference of Powers ; but he si•oulti resset thats point of form 'Ovoid prevent his noble iriend reading a hone which sodeeply affected the peace of lor.•pe. Its noble friend, when asked by his colleagu-s, ad tb: Dutch minister given him no information on the 6 of breaking the armistice ? must have answered no— ) e said nothing to me ab...ut it ; he gave me a letter. indeed. to the Corgress, 1 0.;eb, alien we meet to-morrow, will be :med. (hear.) Would not any one who had heard the • 'sive lord's fratement in that house. suppose, that the p'tndiens King of Hdland had sent a minima to n relate peace. whiL• he was insidiously breaking the ant slice. and terming hostilities ? This was the int yr:ssion on the public mind of this country. The letter vn r:atl by the Congress on Thursday, and stated, that a iir,:o.iatiuz was tent to irvUt with .lie Congress. sod also s-ated :hat his Mainly hail titterminzci to enforce the ne.' etc:tattoo by military means .--(Htat, hear.) lie would a‘k. wilt t!oat co:nnioniettion in their possession from Wideestiay. ..nd in their knowledge on Thursday. how em.id -sty en Friday and Saturday that the King et Holland !• all il7 Alien the armistice without notice ? (ileal.. hear) 1 . tie letter sent to wive, that ro armistice soul ever bee , . s auli. ed ; there was but a (sesta:ion of hoe. t oot,* A At and honest ration. our oldest al, should 1...1 be aecussa of having violated an armis:ice, sithma, at the same tiro e. stating that they denied that there was any an. .•t , c ..—(Hear. hear) The Dutch Gevernment had tee • % • the meat eventful in their history, been left .:e t -putat on of having perfidiously violated an ar o...tic:. sot diary had come oat of the month tst a ilirealsh Mtnistero-the country to which they naturally kid for peotection. Whet be asked his noble friend ne iesieretirg ;re letter d the Id of August, his noble trend apikartal ts know nothing about it, till he told him it had appeared in the Timm newspaper that roorninp. Ms noble friend then recollected that the Dutch Mitils:er had read a letter to him and the noble terd at the head of the Govern ment, io a very hurried ninnrer ; and his noble friend ap peared to take no notice of its con•ents, theis that wee the key-tome of the whole negotiation. Was that the way in which • communication from BAriem was received in France P In one hour after the communication of the March of the Dutch troops into Belgium, the troops of France were ordered to march. When the account re,.clied this country London and Westminter was all expectation yet Ids noble' 'nend paid an little attenti-in to the suroji to, that he did nee._ not even recollect the contente of the recr•nd letter whir° contained, on the part of the King at Hollar.d, a manna appeal to unite Europe in defence I.f his conduct. (Hear.) The first letter wee only to the Conference hi Lon don ; the second letter , more explanatory, was to ail the Courts of K.rope. it contnitied the same expression of aline his military means which oitglit to have excited the at ention of the Congress. ( Hear.) Although the letter had been read to the not le lord on Friday, we are to be told ' on Saturday that the Dutch had made theit attack by sur prise, and that the words " military means" meant nothing. The to n. gloat man here in a solemn manner declared that his understanding with in ilesint , r hetote inch fermentation —he knew not what it could mean. He admitted that Mi. tasters might be right in not giving answers in MCA of diplo. nosey, but he would enbetit to the house, that it they did F i ve answers at all, there ought to be no diplomacy there. Stich had been the three great days of the noble lord. In which he had crucified the Dutch character, and sacrificed those fortresses which had linen built by the Allies' money, and purchased by English blood, to the tri.coloured flag of Prance. (Cheers from the Opposition.) In this respect the tri-coloured flag had done mote than had been attained by it on the three memorable days of July. The hon. member here said that he would appeal to public opinion on the sulijett— he would appeal to one of the public journals of the day. l'he lon gentleman ac oss the tattle might smile, but he ( Mr. Cruitel) was not going to quote t• at paper as official authority, although he might be justified in so doing, tor it we.. that paper which had first told them of the letter on Thursday morning. The hon. gentleman quoted at great length extracts from a daily paper, the leading arth les of which had censured in round term , the character of the King of Ilulland for duplicity, and which on having the information, and a copy of the letter, containing the words, • military means, ' had turned round in defence of the King 44 Holland. and declared he had been unfairly treated. The Honourable Member would ask evety Ilonoutable Gen tleman present, if, when he heard that document read, his nthid was rot much relieved, and that be was convinced the King of Holland was again In his old place, as the firm and faithful ally of England, and that It the King of Holland had been acted towards as he ought, he would not have lain unfit r these imputations fur a week, un. til his character had been rescued by one of the public jour. noir. He was conscious that he had trespassed a long time on the patience of the house (hear),• hut all that he wished for was to protect the charact r of she King 4.f Holland, and to place this matter on a fair foting. tie bad quoted no thing but what had been published ; and in what he had done he sought nothing for himeelf, he had done it all only for the sake of obtaining justice. (Cheers from the (/ppo sirou.) The hon. gentleman concluded with moving, not foe the letter of the 2.1 of August, but for that of the lit of August. Ile might be excused for making the motion, see ing that thenoble lord, not only had not the letter at his office, but he dill rot seem to have it in his head, and he would move that it he laid before the house. Lord PA LM RUSTON. in a few introductory sentences, termed his surprise at the course which had been adopted by the hon. gentleman. He had concluded by calling for • letter of the Ist of August. to prove something that had taken place on the 2il of August. His lordship said he would not consent to the production of that letter; because, although it sere produced, it would be hut an imperfect do cument, unless the whole series connected with it was also produced, and, under existing circumstances, that could not be complied with. This was one part of the hon. member's speech to which he would not trouble himself much for a imply. Another portion of the hon. gentleman's speech to which he would not reply, were the copious estrects which he had indulged in from newspapers. His lordship (assum ing a kind of jocose gravity) said, /et did not write for any newspapers, (loud cbeers)—he was no editor, (loud cheers) he was no contributor to the public journals (louder cheers.) and consequently he did not consider himself accountable for , any thing that might appear in the joutnals of the day. Nor should he be led indiscreetly Into discussion by the attacks of the the hon. gentleman who, in a speech of upwards of an hour and • half had indulged, during nearly two-thirds of that speech, in personal abuse of himself (Lord Palmer ston). He had accused him of negligence of business, of misrepresentation, of having improperly imputed acts to allies, of ignorance of office, and other allegations. with • view, no doubt, to drag him Into a long discussion which might involve the whole of the question relating to Bel gium ; but he would not by these attacks be led sway from his rectitude of duty as a minister of the crown. —(Hear) He bad acted with propriety in that capacity all along in the matter, and nothing that the hon. gon demon had said or done would lead him to act otherwise. The lion. Gentleman, by the indulgence of the house and the cheering sympathy of his friends, had got a very good benefit of his own ; he was • very good joker; but when he aspired to any thing higher there was a great deal of the I mock heroic in it. (Laughter) His Lordship would s a y that the Honourable Gentleman had much better leave tragedy at all times, and come straight to farce.— (Laughter and cheers.) He, as a person who was eons ‘errant with office, and knowing how Milliners might be situated, ought to have acted as the Honourable Baronet had done on the preceding evening, after an esplanatiou sufficiently satieactory, postponed his motion. But be (lewd Palmerston.) with all the accusations that had been hurled at . hint by the hon. gent. of having been guilty of dereliction towards the King of Holland, to go into a defence which might seem to them round upon the Government of the I Netherlands—he had never charged that Government ' eith any thing wrong. He would have nothing to do a ith estractt frost newspapers, nor would he follow the • honourable gentleman through all his disquisition, whether or not there had existed an armistice— he would content ! hills& with merely stating, that on the 17th of Novem- bee. a cessation of fighting had been established, and the Dutch hail broken through it. The honourable gentleman • pieces immense .treason the letter that had been received, and ! asks how such declarations could have born made, having I pi osessisin of such infonuation, as if the honournble gentle ' man would wish to fix that • letter reeeierd on 3Vedneaday, 12 o'cloek, could have detailed the even s that had occurred on Tuesday. If the honourable g is letitan gave his notices 1 of motion in that house, he would no doubt always have the sante advantage that the King of Holland expected totibutin over Belgium. His lordship contended, that they were 1 wan...meal in saying, that they had contirerced hictilities 1 without notice. A despatch had been received, which stated in foreign language. that the King of Hillard I would support nis negociation with military mesas.— ' (Cheers from the Opposition.) Ti.. honounble gentle- Iman had said, that he was astonished that any person with two arms and two eyes could tint know what that meant.— ' The honourable gentleman also had dwelt upon the fact of a Minister of State. an Ambassador, having come with 1 steam liehtning, or steam with the speed of lightning, and , ye: that he (Lord Palmerston.) had kept in his pocket for twenty-t' r hours the dispatch. oltb;ligh the fate of ffiltroPe • was depe nd ent upon it. In reply to this attack his Lordship said, that he had mantle been a Member cf the Congress; and, conforming to the established mule. had preserved the letter which be had received until he could have an opportu nity to epee it in the presence of the Congress assembled. The Minister of the Nethetlards Intl retitaii,ed with him in con versation for bully half an hour ; he stmed that he had come with full power to negotiate, and that his autho rity was sufficient to implement eery engagement to which he might subscribe; but be did not say that the de spatch which he had delivered required an immediate answer; nor did he tell that hostilities bad then already commenced. His lordship did not mean to blame the Ambassador, for he had stated the Cale of his master ; but be time in the s light. est degree hinted that the Dutch troops had entered Belfast. (Hear) His lord:hip had so far, he thought, convinced the house tnat he hid not adopted this Dutch haste without cause, wnich had been attributed to bim by the boo, gentleman.— ( Hear, hear.) The government had been desirous to try the experiment on the different ministers on the Wedaesday, if from any or all of the cornspoodence they could have supposed that the Dutch troops were to march, but they had been disappointed : however, s ben they had the opportunity, the CallurttOleatiOnt had been put into the hands of all the Ministers, and not one of them could see any thing to indi• caw an intimation of the march of the Dutch noel:IL When ins lordship heard that the Dutch troops had crossed the, boom aria of Belgium. an enplartation had 'been de- 1 mended of the Dutch Plenipotentiary, and he could give none . • ses that even it be had opened the letter he would have not ave bent more wise on that bead. His lordship would ' insist that up tiU that pened a cessation of righting had canted by agreement ; that one of the poem had riOrnmenerd hestilitks without rash, and that power was the Dutch. The French government, as soon as they heard it, put in motion the telegraph, and sent in their troops, nor was the English more r, lased, for immediately was their fleet put in order, and plated under the command of Admiral Codrington, as • measure 'which they thought fairly called for. His I;nviship.conceived that now the evil of the II Gent.'s sophistry was broken, and that be had founded notions on a falai beats, not knowing the circumstances.— (Cheers-) His Lordship said he was not at liberty to say more on that subject, but he would say that there could net be a mon unfair thing than to put a Minister of the Crown on.. his defence, when the Honourable Gesitleman must tome that the Minister's mouth was sealed. (Cheers) With regard to the phrase, " Military means," his lotdship bad put the question specifically to every one patient at the Congress, andlmot one of them could see the interpretation that the hon..gentlentan now so clearly could comprehend. (Loud cheers.) His lordship said he then considered it his duly to put the lever into the hands of the two Dutch killitsry Plenipotentiaries, they said that they might know much, but that they had no instruction to give any capitulation. When asked directly if the military had entered Belgium, they replied they had no Instruction to that dile, although, said his lordship, at the very time they were assembled for tie purpose of ono elation, hostilhies had actually begun. What then, became of the hon. gentleman's accusation regarding the ignorance of not understanding the simple phrase " military means," and his demanding •ity the Dutch Plenipotentiaries had not been salted for an txplanadon. The right honourable gentleman had. in terms broad enouf k al. laded to him (his Lordship) not even being in the House whin a question was asked on the subject. (Here 31r. ('ro ker, across the table, in a low tone, said, that he had rot meant bona fide what he had said, s Aida was followed by aim of opt , oh.) 'the hon. member had first asked for ro. ducsl,m of the letter that had been received on the IV ed. newlay, and then hr calle.l for that which had been received on the Friday, as it he lied made sure that he would then find the Government at fault. But his Lordship said he would not be drawn into improper discussion, 110 was not like the hon. Gentleman who, instlini of attending to what occurred in that house, would devote his attention -0 newspapers, in the fruitless and profitless search for the real statement f such matters, and on that information he must know that it was highly improper to drag ministers into dis cusition on subjects like title. (Cheers.) His lordship.was the more astonished at the honourable gentleman's conduct, knowing his long experience in official capacity ; he could not imagine a hether it was to gratify his own vanity (cheers) or (sarcastically expreseed) he did it out of friendship. (Cheers.) He might get a few cheers perhaps from a corps without its officers, (Sir IL Peel nail left the house] (Cheers) but his lordship could assure the hon. gentleman that he was no friend to his country. His lordship sat down Midst loud and continued cheering. .hard BRUDENE I.L. in a speech of some length, ern drained the conduct of Government. He said that the first cannon or musket that was fired in Holland, our ancient ally, would reflect upon this country an indelible stain, whica would require years to wipe out. (Hear, hear.) His lord. ship inferred that government was throwing off all the an. dent allies of the country. He instanced Portugal, where the Id-coloured flag had been permitted to wave under the walls of its capital. He would ask what was the reason they had not interfered in the came of Poland ; but he could tell the House why, the Government found that they had not then to deal with helpless Holland or Portugal; and they were afraid of the more powerful Russia. He felt convinced that the policy pursued by the present Government would, in future ages, become a bye-word, and be for ever con sidered disgraceful to Rngland. Nlr. WRIGHTSON also censured Ministers, and con tended that Holland had given due notice of its inter. 1 dons. 1 Lord STOR3I ON T reprobated the conduct of Minis. tees, and wounded that the King of Holisted had hven badly treated, and had given all the notice that could be requirt d. Sir G. MURRAY said, Ministers. when they complained of being accused at a time they were able to give expianations, were themselves the accusers of the King of Holland. They had accused him of nothing less than a breach of faith. The noble lord bad, on a former night, said that his Majesty had broken the armistice. He bad said that no communication, verbal or • written, had been made to the Conference respecting the step Majesty was about to adopt; and a few minutes after the noble lord had made that statement, he (Sir G. Alurray) beard it admitted in another place, that a let ter had been received. giving notice that his Majesty in tended to resort to his military means. In his opinion the meaning of that letter was clear. Yet, ministers had said in that house that they had received no notification. The relation between Holland and Belgium was not that of an armistice, as stated by a noble lord. The chief mirdster of the King of Holland In his circular to the Dutch naval au tborities, stated expressly that there existed only a cessation of hostilities. He considered that there was not a shadow of Imputation to be east on the King of Holland. ( Hear, ' hear.) lie do aired not that, when the time cane. Ministers would be able to give satisfactory explanations, but It was very necessary that the attention of the public should be very clog. ly directed to all the recent proceedings in the Netherlands and in Portugal. ( Hear) It would seem as if our policy had been in some degree subservient to that of another power (hear) ; towards which he (Sir G. M.) as a military man, felt great respect, on account of the bra very of its troops , the ability of its °Seem but towards which, as a Briton. he would feel great regret that our pa Bey should be subservient. (Hear.) The strongest grounds must be shown when the time of explanation came, for the attack made on Portugal, and forcing of the entrance of the Tagus, by French men of war, while a British fleet was performing evolutions in the channel. (Hear.) In the se paration of Belgium from Holland. be readily acquiesced. provided Belgium became not connected with Franc:. It was said that the dart of Sir E. Codrington was placed at the dis pos.ol of the conference. He should wirt to know whether the French army was at thedisposal of the confetence, atid whether an order of t he conference would be followed by its wi.hdrawaL (Hear.) The King of the French had stated with some ens pbaan in his speech that Belgium would not form part of the Germanic Cohfrderstion. Ile (Sir G. M. regretted that it should not form part of that b dy. The King of Belgium. owing to the war lie bad to sustain, had his life daily ex posed. Were that Prince to die, to whom would the So vereignty got Had Government taken at.; steps on that subject ? He was the more anxious on this point, as he saw at the head of the Fretich soldiers in Belgium a Prince who bait la•ely been elected King of that moony. (Hear ) ' He would not pursue these observations tanner; he would wait until the promised explanations were given, and would now only remind Government that the policy of Britain had ilitilerio been to : toted the weak against the strong, and to be the bulwark of Europe against the egres sion of France.—(Cheers.) Lord A1:111101dP was surprised the gallant elizer Lhould throw out nimbi.. and doubts against ministers, at time when he knew it was quite impossible for flu= to offer es. planation. (Hear.) Ile trusted the house would suspend its judgment, and woad recollect that when the gallant caw stated his doubts, it was quite impossible fur minis ters to enter into explanatior. (Hear, beat) Sir G. URRA Y explained. The noble lord had a little overstated the purport of his (Air G. M.'s) speech. ( Hew.) For in the carmen that spawn he had said, he telt no doubt but that ministers possessed die means of a satisfactory es palmation. Mr. PR A RD.—lt, at least, clearly appears that minnows have brought a charge against the king of Holland, our ancient allyS, without the shgb est foundation. Sir C. WETHERELL—The relation between Holland aid Belgium was that of a mere suspension of hostilities. Under that relation to Holland her proceedings werejustilin by the law of names and bj the laws of morality. She was Mt even called on to give notice of her intention to resume &Adkins. Ministers bed impeached his Dutch Majesty it justly. And it was when be was unfortunate that they thus unjustly impeached him ! As to the mensal conduct of government, be would only my that it did DM go paininse split sin that of the French, who were a Aeon and in ac tion. whilst we were still negociating and protosolins at Mr. CRUKER . in Ow course of his reply, said the eahle lad. as t Reitman of the Conserence. was not at liberty to open a letter addressed to it, he should, at loa■ . have convoked the COOttftDCO instead], OD the reeeption of the letter. The *obis lord had used the words "violation" and "armistice." when he had in his pocket a letter deoyiag the existerce of an armistice. The right bon. gentleman com. chided a lengthy reply by saying, that the able speech of his noble friend (Perineum) hod only confirmed him in the high opinion he entertained of his lordship. He hoped his noble friend would always feel that his (Mr. Crokw's) obser vations were addressed to the Minister and DOI to the Lord PA L NIERSTON could assure his right hen. friend that this was a species of political sparring which left norm presents behind. (Hew, hear.) The nietion was the; negatived without a &video. Mr HU %IR would postpone the moues be bad given notice of for to-morrow (Saturday) till Tuesday. 1110114 The house thee went intoaormmittee on the reform MU. After *few wards from Oland Sibthorpe, Lord Althorp, and Lard O. fiewanst, Es baimmilta in schedule G. (Chas- ' ter. COrowan. Cumberland, Do*, Devon. Durham, Es sen, Obecemer, Kan, ilemplAre, Lancaster, Leic ester, Natalkliardlianpars. Nortluguberiand, Nottingham,Salop, Ihararest. Wind, lberrey. Sussex, Warwick, Wilts, Werrams.) were &doped part of ebtuse I I, and ere to return each four members. Chose 10 (which had been postponed) was then rut. It wee to the erect that the county of Lincolnshire be divided into two districts, the district of Lindsey and the eisniet of Kesteven and Holland ; each district returning two members. After a few words from Mr. Willie., _ _ . Colonel SIBT HOR PR said Lincol;Abbe wu entitled to fear extra members. (Hear and a laugh.) When its popu lation and riches Were compared to thus of Durham, bomb moron. Se. it war evident bat It bad been unfairly treated. He disappeoved of the division. The smaller division (Lindsey) trould have within it eight members, while the larger (Kesteven and Holland) would return six members. (Coughing.) He would not be interrupted, the sentiments he expreswei were honestly and independently delivered. He contended that the division would convert Lincolnshire into two nomination districts. _ _ Coh nel SIBTHOIt PR Tres understood to withdraw his opposition to the motion. Mr. IV MKS was glad of this result. Mr. A DRA NR thought the division of the county would he perreptly just and ptoper. Motion agreed to, and the remainder of the clause was then adopted. The CH AIRMAN th,n proposed Clause 12, which provides that frett.o!dent, &c. in such counties (Lincoln and York) vote in the svparate divisions as if they were Countit s. _ Sit B. S WIDEN mid he could not see what was the ob. jcct of this clause. If the property of an individual lay in both divisons, how was he to vote? They were now ap. matching the essence of the Bill, the character of the eon. stituency. (He spoke amidst much noise In the Committee, of which he complained, and which the Chairman endea voured to correct. Colonel SIBT IIOPR rose and said, if this noise and interruption continued, be should move the adjournment of the House. _ _ Sir E. SUDDEN resumed, and urged the Committee to pay particular attention to the principle of this clam.. He thought the principle was dangerous that was recognised in this clause. He thought there ought to be some qualifica tion of the rights of voting in towns and counties. He was abnut to notice clause 16. Lord A LTIIO RP trusted that thee, observations would not he pressed now. Clause 16 was one of great importance, hut lie trusted discussion on it would not be anticipated, es pecially till he had the opportunity of stating his views on it to the committee. (Hear.) Sir K SUDDEN thanked the noble lord for this informs. tion, and would not pursue the subject farther. Lord AT HORP said the object of the bill, amongst other matters, was to extend the right of voting to freeholders, copy holders, and leaseholders ; but not to allow the inhabi tants of towns or boroughs to give votes for counties. Thls would be Increased protection to agriculture. As to lands in both division+, they would give votes foe each, as if they were situated in different. It had been found not very prac ticable, or just, to exempt non.resident freeholders. Sir ti. CLERK thought the clause was susceptible of much misconstruction, and therefore suggested that it should be postponed altogether. Sir E. SUDDEN observed, that as clause 16 was likely to be much amended by the Government, the amendments ought to be printed. (Hear.) Were these important clauses to be profteded with to-morrow (Saturday)? Lord ALTHO RP replied, that to-morrow he should not propose those clauses which were likely to occasion much diffaeree of opinion. As to the present clause, he had no objection to its being struck out, with the view, as was under stood, of imroduring a general regulation in clause 16. Mr CROKER asked what was the use of meeting to morrow, if questions that experienced opposition were not to be premed. Clause negatived by confers. Clause 13, which regards the giving a third membir to ter tain counties, was next proposed. Col. WOOD thought it would be better to give a second member to the Welsh counties. The principality 11/14 , moot loyal, and ought to be considered. Let the seven members be distributed amongst the Welsh counties, and that would preserve the uniformity of county representation. Sir G. CLERK supported this view of the case, as to the propriety of distributing the seven members to counties which at present twinned only member each ; but he he ought to put in a word foe Scotland, as there were coun ties there that contained one hundred thousand inhabitants. Lord A LTHORP said, after the additions to the menu. factoring districts, it was deemed a counterpoise in favour of the landed interest, to give three members to the counties enumerated in this clause. These counties were well worthy of this additional representation ; be, therefore, could not consent to the proposed change as regarded Wales. As to Scotland. reformers coasidered that it had no repo sentation now. The bill would give it repreeentatioo ; therefore, it could have no additional claim. _ _ Dlr. *DEANE said, after the bill ethould pass. the whole county of Can bridge would send bat five members to that house—three for the county, and two for the borough of Cambridge, which was less than its fair proportion. The University represented the learning of the whole ki4dow, and should not be reckoned in the representation of any county. When the report should be drawn up, he hoped Ministers would give a representative to the rising town of WitMeach. 3lr. THROGMORTON mid. all his constituents were perfectly satisfied with the clause under discussion ;at t thought cmtesu would be more rare where three were three 31embers instead of two. Mr. FERGUSON thought three Members would have the erect or preventing compromises, which was most de sirable. He thought the representation of Scotland should be focussed much more than was intended. _ _ Sir GEORGE MURRAY thought !Scotland fully en titled to a greater number of 'limbers. In some English counties there was a 31ember fur every 14.000 inhabitants, while in some Scotch counties these was but one representa tive to from 100.000 to 100.000 inhabitants. The increased representation of &olio.' by the bill was entirely given to the commercial and manufacturing interests; asd nc thought the agricultural in•erests ought to be equally protected. Lord MILTON said the bill for reforming the represen union of Scotland might be said to give it the ebole fifty members, as at print there was no such thing as popular representation from one end of Scotland to the other. 31r. PRA ED and 11r. W. WY iS proposed that the fur they discussion of the clause should be postponed till to. morrow. Ilr. RSTCOURT hoped the noble lord. after such close attention. would allow the house to adjourn to Doody. Lord A LTUORP thought the discussions on Saturday were so satisfactor7 that they ought to be continued, as it must be the wish ot the house to bring the measure to a eon slusioe as speedy as possible. %Ir. W. BANKRAI hoped sitting oft Saturday would not be petvevered in t ft would probably deprive the house if the assistance of the Jews that were to be introduced Into the reformed Paslbusent. (A laugh.) The AIRMAN pot the question that the ►lank be Stied up with the word three.—Agtsed to. The house resumed. The CHAIRMAN reported peeress, and asked leave to sit again this day. On the motion of Mr. °RAT N, that the bill foe di.. qualifying judicial Aims from ignites in Parliament should be read a snood time, a convetsarios ensued between Sir (i. Clerk, Mr. S. Rice, and several other honourable members, Mr. Grattan consented to withdraw tits bill, and obtained leave foe that purpose. Lord A LTRORP moral the appointment of a Eska Comml•tee to consider the charge for the Civil Establish. meat of the United Kingdom, hitherto defrayed from the Civil List, and remaining unprovided for. The motion, after MOW considoratior. was agreed to The remaining orders of the day woe then disposed of, and the House adjourned at a Quarter past Two o'Clock. FOREIGN INTELLIGENCE. ...- CHAMBER OF DLPUTIES-Tu BPD,IT. The President read the proposed address, whirls has been already published. 31. Camila Pzatza said. Oewardiroo. lort= spo do d it Ore imilatbk have the "Irk sad camisst N war ben Fthe eposof by whams of et imusprandies. New, thadsies, it is of the re lidad system Wish dletated thins seta that we are theism of apessidwg, eager M _manes you that shot system shise amid ensure for the drums the molts obtained is the peeled elapsed. Thst goon, which we de no latter ourselves with haring lammed, because a paid& system Is stet ended, Is to be found writhe In the Is of thirys ; Ina what is that system ? In our kneeler affair it h the Chat ter. the whole Charter, and nothing but the Charter. the Revolution of July desire more than the Charter ? N 4 one dares say so. It came, sot to recrsonence, too • to terminate our lint revolution nor was it a signal tile s to France and to the world, calling upon all to ri gor in hazardous experiments, sod interminable comb o' , It *night to mauve us • definitive Governmen an d the Charter is the only programme of that Government What then is necessary to be faithful to the object of do: Revolution of July ? To put the Charter loyally and frau y into execution. Well, Gentlemen, that is what we Mere don e , Two things are now comprised in the political code, ' b ee are, the laws already nude, and those to be made. Le; u. net deceive ourselves; beyond the Cha ter, beyond the constitulonal royalty, that is to my, beyond the gcVemmet:: of the three powers which concur in the making of all Ve laws and imtitudons there is nothing which really belong% to the revolution of July. It stopped there, and all due was sought to be given you beyond this, as the conk. qualms of that revolution are only the first fruits of a new one. Now Fount loudly and daily declares that it enter. tains a horror for all new revolutions Now, Gentlemen, it is for you to complete our work. During your shelv e we have been able to undertake and maintain • difficult con. teat ; but now, when you are assemLied, we can do nothing without the concurrence of your efforts and confidence. Power exists only in the keyway maintained between the depositories of au brolly end the representatives of the nation, and that harmony must be complete; for, were i t in the smallest degree doubtful, where would be t h e force—where the support of an administration eon. smithy unposed to the mercy of unforeseen 'eves ? Under such conditions we should consider OUT•elVel culpable were we any longer to remain in posseelon tt power. The confidence of the King cannot he 'elevated from yours. In effect, before that alliance, and before that alone, will fall those parties who are now in activity to trots. ble the repose of France. Such is our system of intericr policy, Gentlemen, to take the Chatter fur the invariable rule of our conduct ; to re-constitute power, and togive to it the force and unity which is memory ; to re-establish 41 interests, by creating guarantees of order and stability ; to respect the laws ; to draw upon order and moral force, fr o m whence flow all our means of action and influence ; and, in short. never to consent on form a party government, and while watching with a vigilant eye over plots hatched in darkness, never to yield to the pleasure of crushing the ran. quislied, for it is thus that victory is dishonoured. I now proceed to our foreign policy. The system that we have pursued abroad is reproached with having been to the neglect of the consequences of the revolution e f July. Thi s , system we found already established by negotiations set on foot, and which we necessarily followed up. We enure! in:o the paths traced out for us, but we believe that we en. tered upon them with a firmer step, and more decided inten tions. We adopted the system of peace, remote we tho ug h t that a destiny more glorious and durable awaited out country by placing itself at the head of civilisation in Europe, hi the ascendancy of moral force rather than by the alarm of bayonets. The state of Europe, the interests of the pow. era, their dispositions, and their conduct; the events that have occurred within six months, within eight dins ; the wars in which we are actors or witnesses, all &test that the peace of the world may be maintained, and that it principally depends upon Prance. This is not to 'say that we ought to seek peace cost what it may. Gentlemen ; to avoid war, we ask no sacrifice of the honour of the nation, but merely that of passions a-d theori es —. (Cheers.) What do these theories say It—That the pis ciples of our Government being opposed to those of the Great States of the Continent, war is the consequence of this contradiction. Thus, French liberty can only be saved by the conquest of the universe. I leave facts to speak._ Pro ugsl had outraged the laws of humanity with regard to Frenchmen The Government announced to France satis faction or justice. Justice has been lime and satisfaction obtaired. In Italy you have seen, as we announced at this tribune. the troops of the Emperor of Austria evacuate the Roman states. Romagna is pacified. That feeble inton t eeon, which was unable to emancipate it, has not led to its tippets. e'en. Owing to our negociatiosis useful refotms have been in part obtained. What more was there to be done ? The events of Italy were commenced before our Cabinet was formtd ; we found the Duchy of Modena invaded ; the Ate. trians were marching toward, Romagna; the Government then promised that if they entered they would not occupy it. this promise has been fulfilled. Italy breathes again, and, without us she would be the 'beau, of bloody rt.-actions. Poland, more strong and more Waterbed than Italy, occu. pied the world very differendy. Witnesses of her heroic courage, and alarmed at her perils, we participate in that profound sympathy which France experiences for a natkn whose glory and misfortunes have so often united the destinies of the two adobe—a sympathy, the expression of which has been ly proclaimed in a solemn ores loi act !—(Strong sensation. But wishes would bety a ro fruitless homage. On the Ifich of March, no mediation had yet been offered for Poland. We counselled the King 1 to offer his the that. His allies hastened to unite sitti him to arrest the combat, and secure to Poland conditions of nationality with sorer guarantees. These negotiations me. tinue : we follow them up with anxiety, for blood is fusing, the peril is urgent, and vinery is tot always tsitb. fol. Thus, whilst we are accused of indifference, every day beholds us employing the means of intercession. To what other means could we have had recourse ? Ought we, as it has been said, to have recognised Poland ? But nip posing even that the faith of treaties and the respect of our foreign relations had given us the right to make thie se. knowlidgment, it would have been illusory, unless it had been followed by efforts, and thew war would bar ensued. I appeal to the reason of the Chamber. Ought France to recommence that gigantic campaign io which the fortunes of Napoleon became a wreck ? Has this war which we age called upon to wage been well re lieved upon ? his a war which will lead us across the whole breadth of the entreat—lt is a universal war, the object of so much deliricus ambition, of so many chime rical passions ! Can it be plentd that this heroic cru sade would save Poland; No, gentlemen; for if once Freon deviates trews her neutrality, that neutrality, which has hi. (her o been observed by mbar powers, will be abesdooed, and their armies are only foot days march host the capital we ; wish to defend, white it is 400 leagues from us. (Hew, hear.) In face of these facts, who will venture to call for a war which cannot wee Poland, bet must be theater of the downfall, ( Hear. beer, lam shoat every pen of the Au. marbly ) Our explanations with regard to &Wont, shall be no km distinct. How many rimeshave we not had to 'ppm head, from the questiee of malty to Belgium, a coupe her a geseral rupture thionsliest Ramp? We came into adminia tratioo at the time wham die ahead of the Crown foe the Duke Ide Neuron and the emb es i on o f si re D u k e d e L euc h ten b onne , limited so narrowly thecheice of a a werign destined to give existence and unity to this nascent kingdom. The election made by the Belgians was iodides's—the personal character of the Pnrce they chase 'marred it desirable. France re ceived it with satisfaction, fee she never feels mistreat without evident mom Besides, penises to her acknow ledgment of Kiel Leepsid, Frame stipulated for all the conditions required for her sekty and heron. The demo lition of the tomcats will elface doe lest vestiges of the events of lel& The iudependence and neutrality of the Dew kingdom were ually tumoral ; and beak. is case dosed. elan be (It this the late meneseas of the French Cabinet are preoh. A Frock wart bas esceived 'elders to easier Belgium, to repel the aggression of Holland. This mediums was fern immediately on the snivel of the no deigresch testa slue Wag of the Bel gians, end was the result of she fel inselerroading between all the Great Nwees of Rostegge. Proses. with the or".. carman of all Kamp, le pr a tweelatione the or' wring of that of July. and wall see Soremes raised again.' bee by the Holy Animate dienshalred! These far a Goode' meet, that without Flame. sad what she has accent. pliabad a the Sears of the Pope wadi be still coveted with foreign soldiers, and Maned with pristiees anti contio• cations—ebet without Fiance, Poised have teen long ago crushed by the united effects of the Time Powers 11 whom she is enstresaded t aml that without Francalklgium would hove hoes a prey se earthy. se sank into s mallow don ! Far, thee, hem France beer, abaadessed the pork whom she set is asovemilia, though wiehost say inenttw" front bee, she has madosed them all am many besefirs as sr imprudent treald have creased evils. at ht i mewed toßelgium hairpins* mid istionality : to r°' land lees inejaahly is tbe straggle in o ns e t she is en. gaged; and am saved Italy Orem the Ie lamentitle cosseseeoces of a hem is the mums that was mode* By maintaining a passel pence, Preset his bees able to place hermit im wpositition to p to vs ,. I n a wl , she has roamed bee due Isisseee, proved her wisdom. and established her power. We have obtained all these results in the name of the revolution of July, and by solarg ourselves of the high reputation it had acquired. 13 41 13 " decoke riatielves apes ildwattliat which gona d it te PHI coke y tepidly la Rum" and impose silence upoo . l imeades, was the justice of its cause, and the utak= of ii Nlla end I Ow i ea 1 iisoli /sick Oa witli IWO iillid 11; 811 two she • tees it nil lefty non light their lag 6 111 mem we* thaw am I Fllllll canti peace hive hope make culati had e on all dared Puggo Chan army the n the 3 ful al raved by in , to as 111 s of Fn of du of dm wbo I that I lowa, tuatiN Corny count polici ward they I kit e inks ids. eau 'Dent we Look media iris, we dl het a front' to arti thou n iUN Willa fame still I mint. Nan tion c hetet DI, Add, Wait witlac Thee PA Piles 511 Mace lippe Frew later deo, Prize wur a Inas la Pala nett I hat tutu t tut ee Ti • ou that tettee hue nt *I set TI