Star. — London, England, 1821-02-07 00:00:00

some wa ri that sme of thoselans op s ros:,R r eolution. sk Lookin o g at the co nduct snight of the 'ince her arrival in this country, he was of • that, had the question of the Liturgy been c eded, some other demand,. equally inadmissible, yeald have been made. To restore the Queen's name she Liturgy would be to proclaim that,.as the wife the s ov ereign, her conduct had been blameless : a dt t he was a fit model of female propriety and ho or, and that her conduct since her return to the had been respectable to the King and the He could not concur in the Address, as the i'e s aurt of the Queen was not that befitting a modest t ea; and her triumph would be that of the prin ewes which she had so sedulously disseminated in to count ry. With the Message from the Crown, he open the whole question would have terminated. wir. BENNET'' should think ill of himself if he %fd not put his opinions on this subject on record; en d s hould he share in the ruin that the measures of Ministers are preparing for the country, it would be K ee consolation that he was no party to those mee k was matter of curious remark, that all the s peeches on the opposite side of the House had stu diously avoided all approbation of Ministers. The Noble Lord (Castlereagh) had stated that witnesses of rank and character would be brought forward to s ubstantiate the charges; but no such characters had ever made their appearance. He would ask the Noble L or d, who had furnished the information that had been put into the hands of the chief Law Officers of the Crown? He could not detach his mind from the responsibility of Ministers, who had forced the Queen to come into this country, after she had been i nsu lted abroad by those Hanoverian animals. The offer made to her was indignantly refused, and she threw herself upon the affections of the People. If one-fourth of the evidence was true, Ministers ought to be impeached for the offers they had made her.— j i Ri g ht Hon. Gentleman, a Member of his Majesty's G over nment, had stated the Queen to be the life and ornament of society. Was it possible that, with such l ang uage on his lips, he should believe in the charges against her? When it was sworn, that for five morn ings the Queen had been seen coming from the cham-. ber of her alle,sed paramour, would it not have been a natural caution on the part of Ministeri, to ban ascertained if .she had been five days in the one where this was stated to have taken place ? Never had any Ministers done so much to destroy all moral feeling in this country. As a Member of the tbutcl. of England, he must have the highest reve reace for it; but the conduct of some of those Right Illeverend Prelates, who had differed on the words of Abe Founder of our Religion, had done • much to bring the Church into contempt. Whatever mis -mduct they may have to lament from the heads or lower orde:s of that Church, they were all to be at tributed to the measures of his Majesty's Govern ment. He could tell them of a faction which had used the Queen for their purposes. It was one that at first supported a woman against their opponents ; but afterwards, when it suited their purposes to throw her overboard, they did so, by perjured evi dence to support false accusation. The people saw that the present Government had put the character, the honour, and the institutions of the country so much at hazard that they could no longer trust them; and they would prefer any set of men as Mi. listen, be their character as bad as their worst ene- sties might please to represent it. These were the rounds on whickle made his stand against his Ma jesty's present Government. He believed them to be so disgraced, that he cared not who took their places, not e►en if it. were the first eleven men that could be picked up in the streets—(Hear, hear). Mr. WELLESLEY POLE could not sit silent and hear such charges against Government, of which he formed a part, especially when there could be no doubt that the motion of the Noble Lord had made the Queen's case a vehicle of the &reatest force to pro cure the dismissal of his Majesty s Ministers—(Hear, hoar). .But this was nothing new, inasmuch as there had not been a measure of the Government, for the last ten years, on which the Noble Lord and the Gen tlemen opposite would not have been equally ready at on the present occasion to move a vote of censure en Ministers. It was admitted by the Gentlemen op posite, that they cannot convince the House against the Government ; but that they brought forward this motion to satisfy the mass of the People, who sup rthem. •It was enough for them to satisfy the ou e s! of Commons, as the only legitimate Repre sentation of the People. But it was extraordinary to see how these Whigs vacillated. He was old enough to remember Mr. Fox saying that it was in vain to look for the sense of the nation except in that House. These Whip would not follow him in that; and from the time that Mr. Pitt succeeded Mr. Fox, by the sense of the Nobility, the Commons, and the thinking .part of the People of England, these magnanimous Whigs joined the discontented enemies of the Govern ment ; he agreed that no Government should exist, after having lost the confidence of the Nation; and he believed, with the Member for Code Castle, that the House of Commons, as now constituted, afforded more means for introducing a great variety of talents into the House than could be introduced by any other means to be devised by the wit of man. One Mem ber had been twice ousted from the County of West moreland. He had tried Liverpool without success, :and he sat now for a snug little Borough ; brought ;in, as the Radicals would say, under the patronage 4 a great man ; but he would say, that the Learned Gentleman (Mr. Brougham) was a good Member of Parliament, and a sound Whig—(Hear, hear). — A Right Honourable Gentleman had been scouted :for one Borough, and now he sat for another ; vet he was as good a leader of the Whig Oppo -salon as if he had represented fifty Boroughs.— Another Honourable and Learned Gentleman could an be more .the .orator of the human rice if he sat for the whole world, instead of for the Borough of iinaresborough along with his Right Hon. Friend. Alesontended that the Houses of Lords and Com lawns did agree with his Majesty's Government .in •die necessily of an inquiry into the conduct and charges against the Queen. He had it on the.autirr lay o f the Speaker, that all that had passed in the, Home of Lords wa s now matter of record, and mightl be referred,to by any individual whatever. How I 'ever, ht would say nothing on these proceedings time 'mod glee pain to the Queen or any one else. They lolicl . uot, howe ver , as • honest men, have advised the Ammon of the Queen's name in the Liturgy as a' Aisner of special grace and favour, under the sir. ! cumstances in which her character was placed: That haeo been the most important in a judicial proceed.' sisters alone; continued the Eon. Gentleman, hut the omission was not intended as an insult or a degrade- I log. All the while, she was said to be disgracing! House of Commons that stood upon its exculpation, tion of the Queen ; and su c h were the opinions of ea! herself and this country on the banks of the take of and all he could say to it was, o Gott send them a Hon. and Learned Gentleman (Mr. Brougham), and: Como, Ministers never, even out of humanity, gave safe deliverance !"—( Hear, hear, hear). a Right Hon. Gentleman (Mr. Tierney), who con- I her any warning to 1., more guarded; and moreover, Lord CASTLEREAGH was grateful to the Noble , tended that it was nothing, comeared with her re- her name was all the while retained in the Liturgy, Lord who brought this motion forward, and to the storation to her just rights. The Learned Gentleman until she had determined to return to this country. Hon. Gentleman who seconded him, for the manly wished for an equivalent :—D4 No doubt!" fions Mr. The RightHonourable Gentleman had said that the way in which they had put this question on a proper Broeighanej—lt was new to him that an equivalent omission of the .Queen's name from the Liturgy was footing, by submitting to the House a vote of cen • should be asked by a legal man, or agent, for a net intended as an insult to her; but she herself, and sure on Ministers. Acting thus, they had done thing which he himself thought unlawful. But that the People, considered it in that light, and as soon as honour to the party with which they acted, by extri. he did not find out as a lawyer, or a Member of she heard of it, she wrote to complain of it. For these ening it from those milk and water propositions Parliament, but as a sound Philosopher—(Hear,hear). reasons, the Ministers had not exercised a sound dis- which had been previously brought forward, and He denied that the present Administration had lost cretion in advi s i ng su c h a n exertion of the Royal pre- snatching their party from that disgrace in which ,the confidence of the country__(N ear , h ear , hear).— rogative, even supposing that exertion was perfectly they were about to involve themselves. This course (They had had the misfortune to be opposed by the legal—(Hear, hear).--Mr. PEEL explained. having been taken, he trusted he should not be found Whigs—a party of the most constitutional kind, corn- The ATTORNEY-GENERAL appealed to the the individual who would shrink from meeting such prising much of the talent and property of the coun- House, whether the Honourable Baronet had not a , motion., He might express surprise that he, its Ef They had been also opposed by the Radicals, gone beyond the line of debate i n th e e x p r essions he February, 1821, should be defending a crime charged who were opposed to every Institution in Church had used as respected him—(Cries V No, no I Hear, to have been committed in January, 1820. Though and State. The Whigs and Radicals were entirely hear). He had a most painful duty to perform with an offence of so long standing, down to that day the different. One meant good to the State, and the other respect to the case of the Queen. He had certain subject had never been fairly brought before the harm ; but neither could the one do good, nor the Papers laid before him by order of the House of House. It had been played with in the debate on the other harm, until the present Ministers were dismissed. Lords; and it was his bounden duty to open the case motion made by the Hon. Member for Bramber. but No means of junction bad been found for these two against her Majesty, as stated in those Papers, con- had never been regularly brought before the House, opposite bodies, until they found out that Ministers ceivrng that they could be borne out by evidence. He might also say, that many of the measures ar should be removed. All the Meetings at York, at Was it any fault of his that the facts were so disgust. reigned by the Noble Lord were as much the acts of 'Liverpool, in Hampshire, and in London, were coin- ing and the evidence so revolting to every honour- the House as the acts of Ministers. He, however, was posed of Whigs and Radicals. All the Loyal Ad. able mind? In his opinion the evidence did bear out not disposed to shelter the acts of Ministers under this dresses had been got up by Gentlemen who thought the facts which he opened, and even went farther sevenfold shield, and he called upon the House now to it time to rally round the Throne. Ile denied that than he went in his opening. He denied that it was determine whether their conduct was or was nig pro- Government had at all influenced them ;or that they his duty to examine the witnesses previous to or du- per in the delicate situation in which they Ilea - been had employed runners or newspapers to excite such ring the proceedings. He found it his duty to have placed. That question he wi s hed to p r e ss on th e Meetings. They bad been condemned for want of no communication with the witnesses at all. The House in the broadest manner, and by their decision mercy to the Queen; but what would have been the Honourable Gentleman proceeded to defend his con- on it he was content to stand or fall---(Hear, hear), mercy of the Whigs to the Queen ? They wouldhave duct in his mode of stating his case against the The Honourable Gentleman (Mr. Lambton) had proceeded against her for High Treason, if they had Queen in the House of Peers. He made his state fairly grappled with the question whether, at her had such charges against her as they thought war- ment on the evidence before him, and by that evi- ,Majesty's age, it was probable that any spurious off ranted them in proceeding against her. It was not deuce it appeared Bergami had lived in familiarity spring could be imposed upon the country, in conse quite fair that the Public should not know what these with the Princess of Wales ; and it afterwards ap. quence of the profligate life she might lead ? He Whigs were when they endeavoured to get the sense peered that Bergami accompanied the Queen to St. (Lord Castlereagh) contended that had Ministers of the Country to root out his Colleagues and himself Omer's. Who, if they believed the evidence of for. treated her as it her conduct had been beli eve d t o b e from his Majes ty's Councils for ever—(Hear, hear). mer familiarity, could doubt but it continued up to correct, on the supposition that she would remain F Sir RA CIS BURDETT said, the rhapsody that time? The Honourable Baronet had talked of abroad, they would have placed an i ns t rumen t i n they had just heard had no reference to the question proceedings in the Court of King's Bench, which her hand—( Loud and continued la ug ht er )— w ith w hi c h at issue. The Right Hon. Gentleman began with could have nothing to do with the present case, and she might have come back to claim to be treated in opinions of Mr. Fox, nearly a century ago, who might which proceedings seemed to have been dragged in this country in every respect as Queen Co nsor t!-- then have said there was some connexion between by the Honourable Baronet for no other purpose than (Hear, hear.) He could not understand on what that House and the Public. But the Right Hon. to found a violent attack on him. He would again principle the King could dem an d th a t h er M a j esty Gentleman would nearly stand alone, if he asserted repeat that, in his conduct as regarded the Queen, he should be received at foreign excluded from the Court of England. He dented Courts while she was that the House of Commons, as now constituted, re- had acted in the conscientious discharge of his duty ; presented the voice of the People fairly. Mr. Pitt, and had he again to perform the same duty, he that the servants of the Crown ab roa d h a d f a il e d to when an early Reformer, wished to have an altera- should do it in the same manner, notwithstanding the treat her with due respect. Th e i ns t ruct i ons sent out tioft of the Representation of the People in Parlia- taunts of the Hon. Baronet, and those who acted (which were not sent till they were requ i re d) mere l y ment. The Right Hon. Gentleman had said, the with him ; looking to the country, before whom his set forth that it was not to be demanded that the Whigs, who held the wealth, rank, and talents of the conduct was, for a justification of his motives (Cheers). Queen should be received at f or ei gn C our t s , see i ng country, had joined the Radicals (the great bulk of Mr. TIERNEY said, he certainly did, in March she was not received at the C our t o f G reat B r i ta i n . the People); and he hoped the People would hold to last, say he would not vote a farthing to the Queen, This was not a very novel ca s e. I n p roo f o f t hi s , h e that wealth, and rank, and talents, to procure a Re- until inquiry was made into her conduct, and he did might refer to the high Whig au th or i t y—t o t h e l etter form in the House of Commons. He would not fol- this in consequence of the rumours then afloat ; and, written by a Noble Lord to the H on . M em b er f or low the Right Hon. Gentle Man through the greater fully persuaded that Ministers, unless they had pos. Bramber—and to the notice publicly given by the part of his speech; which would indeed be a question sessed unanswerable evidence, would never have Duke of Grafton when he was Chambe r l a i n , i n 1737, of Parliamentary Reform, which would soon be adopted the extraordinary step of excluding her Ma- when it was announced, th a t an y p erson v i s i t i ng t h e brought before the House. The Right Honourable jesty's name from the Liturgy • but it now appeared Court of Prince Frederick, would not be rec e i ve d at Gentleman had called the Radicals the many ; and to him, that, throughout the Whole of these trinsac- that of the King. He w ou ld, h owever , as k, w h et h er of that many, he (Sir Francis Burdett) was one.— dons. his Majesty's Ministers had acted with a deter- anything so inconsistent could b e required, as that the But what did the Right Honourable Gentleman mean mined disregard of public tranquillity and public feel_ King Should require the Queen to be received at by asserting, that the many, or the People, meant ing. Since the proceedings in 1806, he must consi- other Courts, while she wa s e xc l u d e d f rom hi s own ? mischief, when he must know that the People we r e der all the steps taken against her Majesty, as spring_ Ile should have felt that he dishonoured the Crown, upholding their loyalty, by supporting the Royal ing from Ministers, down to that m o st m i sc hi evous the Country to which he belon g ed, an d hi mse lf as a Family, which Ministers had endeavoured to de- of all the measures, the establishment of the Milan Minister, h a d he s i gne d a di spatc h un d er suc h cir grade by every means in their:slower , ?—(Hear, hear). Commission; which was a step of itself most calcu- cumstances, instructing an Ambas sa do r t o ma k e s uc h If they had wished her Majesty to have remained laced to destroy any future attempt at an arnica = a demand, and directing him t o pl ace hi mse lf on one abroad, they would have ceased to have followed her ble arrangement. Of that Commission he would side of the Queen, whil e h er C our i er too k hi s p l ace with persecution, which rendered her return to this say, if that it were sent out to seek for evidence on the other—(Hear, h ear ).—H e did not k now w h ere country imperious, and absolutely necessary—they against the Queen, that was certainly a hi g h crime ; the Right Hon. Gentlem an f oun d t h at her Majesty iwould never have presented charges against the and he charged it against the King's Mini s t ers , an d had no intention of ret urn i ng to t hi s country i t s h e Queen of a nature to disgust the whole country, on he called on them to answer it—(Hear, hea r ).— had not been persecuted, as h e ca ll e d i t , b ut w hi c h such evidence as no man would have hanged a dog They had also been guilty of a crime against their he (Lord Castlereagh) wo u ld tota lly d eny . V ar i ous upon !—(Hear, hear.) The mode of proceeding by Royal Master, and towards the Queen, in sleeping, as expressions had fallen from her Majesty at different Bill of Pains and Penalties was well calculated to they had done, over the charges against her Majesty, periods, that such was he r i n t ent i on w h enever s h e have produced prejudices against the Queen, instead supposing they believed those charges to be true.— might become Queen—(Loud cries o f H ear , b ear ) of answering the purpose of fair trial and investiga- They had, however, suffered all this to rest until the He did not understand ho w the a d v i ce f ormer l y g i ven tion. It ,had been said that the Queen was guilty, late King's death, and then assuming her guilt with- by the Honourable and Lea rn ed G ent l eman oppos i te and in thb next breath it was said, that they could out further inquiry, they struck her name. o ut o f t h e (Mr. Brougham) could be r e conc il e d w i t h t h e M ee . not think of placing adultery and treason upon the Liturgy, and made her the celebrated overture at sage lately brought do wn , whi c h h e appeare d to Throne of England. Here, however,. if she was St. Omer's. The Right Hon. Gentleman the n p ro - countenance, and which it mi g ht be su pp ose d t h at h e guilty, they had both treason and adultery placed ceeded in strong terms to censure those acts, and all had advised. He did not understand the cond uct o f upon the Throne, in spite of the Bill of Pains and the subsequent proceedings in both Houses. In the the Honourable and Learned Gentl eman w i t h respect Penalties.--The Hon. Baronet here reprobated the Bill of Pains and Penalties he discovered the weak- to that proposition which h e h a d b een c h arge d to bringing forward such charges on such infamous evi- nest of the Ministers' case. One act of adulterymake to her Majesty, and which he hi mse lf h a d d ee dence, and was proceeding to say, if the Attorney- proved would have satisfied justice and the coun t r y, sired to have reduced to writin g . Th at propos i t i on, General had had thefts:ling: of a man in his bosom—. and the moment he read the Preamble of the Bill, it appeared, the Hohourable and Le arne d G ent l eman when he was called to order by the Setaese.j—He charging the Queen with a long course of licentiou s had retained in his pocket from th e 15th o f A pr il (Sir F. Burdett) was the first in the House to bow to conduct, he was fully persuaded they had no di st i nc t down to the end of May. This pap er h e h a d ta k en correction, and, if wrong in debate, he felt it a favour case against her Majesty, and that their object was to St. Omer's, only to bring it ba c k i n hi s poc k et, in any one to set him right. He must, however, repro- not justice, but the Queen's degradation. H e was though the Honourable and Le ar ned G ent l eman h a d bate the conduct of the Attorney-General, in making satisfied with the conduct of the Attorney-General. wished a letter to be written by Lo r d H utc hi nson to a statement against a woman and a Queen upon such It now appeared that he had no knowledge of th e case authorize it. How, he mi g ht as k, did i t h appen t h at testimony; and for not attempting to support many but what he received from his brief; that he opened the Honourable and Learned Gentleman, wishi ng t o parts of his statement by any evidence whatever— many facts which no evidence was called to prove ; avert the evils of the late inqui r y, cou ld t h row upon (Hear, hear).— Allowing that the keeping the Queen's and he charged the King's Ministers with a crime for Lord Hutchinson the task of offering, or indeed sus name out of the Liturgy was according to the pre. which they deserved impeachment, in delivering such her him to submit a loose proposition t o t h e Q ueen , rogative of the Crown, still the qiiestion for the a brief against - the Queen of England, upon the un- without producing the document furni s h e d to hi m ? House of Commontwould be, whether it was wise sifted evidence of a set of rogues and vagabonds.— 'He might add, too, that he (Lord Castlereagh) could • - _ ._. - it . - and expedient in Ministers to have advised the exer cise of that prerogative. The People did skew re spect and loyalty to the King, though his Ministers were the most unpopular of any since the Revolution. No man had a right to say that the Queen was guilty; but even if she had been so, the present Ministers He particularly denied the right of the — Ministers to abandon the Bill; and having done so, now to say that her guilt was proved, and they wished to pro ceed no further. By this doctriue, they consented to what he never would agree to, namely, that a person silty of adultery should be allowed to sit on the never understand why the Honourable and l,earned Gentleman, when it was a notorious fact that no de sire was so near the queen's heart that he should meet her, not at St. Omer's, but at Geneva, and there deli, berate on her interests, why this wish was not cool plied with? He never could comprehend why the should not have put her upon her trial on the evi dence of such witnesses as the Majocchis, Itastellis, Sacchis, &c. when those very Ministers refused their rights to five or six millions of their Catholic fellow countrymen, because, according to them, the Duke of Norfolk, the Earl of Shrewsbury, Lord Fingal, l and other great Noblemen and Gentlemen, could not be believed on their oaths !—( Hear, hear).- , - Ministers evidently preferred their places to every other consideration; and that was the reason why they had subjected the Royal Family to insult anti misconception. He believed that the late President of the Board of Controul (Mr. Canning) might have stopped those disgraceful proceedings, had he re mained. and not, like Pilate, have washed his bands clear of the persecutions of " this just person"--espe cially as he, being a man of knowledge and taste o had declared her Majesty to be" the grace and orna ment of society !"—(fleas, hear). It could be said by' no oue that those proceedings originated in State ne cessity; for there was not a man that did not lament their having been instituted, and therefore they should never have been gommencea. They accused the Queen of six years of gross misconduct, but they dropped the last three years Af the time, which would gu, Throne of England ; and they had voted her a large sum of money, which she, as befitted her dignity, had refused to accept, saying, " I refuse to touch your money, unless you will afford me an opportu nity of proving my innocence!" The question now before them was of no common importance, not e merely ask affected the Queen, but as it affected the ] Government, and would prove how far the sense of the People was spoken by the House of Commons. It was not to be assumed that because Ministers had' a majority there, it followed of course that they poe. sessed the confidence of the People. Men would pot be trampled upon because they were told, " 0, you must support this Government, because it gave us peace; and the Chancellor of the Exchequer, that great financier, called forth all our resources ;" to which it might be answered, " Yes, and he spent them all into the bargain !"—(4 laugh).—The People were not so dull but they must perceive that them' was something wrong in the administration of their . affairs. The party of the Noble Lord had now betel in power (with very little exception) five or six and thirty years; and would any man tell him that theft was nothing bad ill the system which had lixouott the country to its present situation? it was *in Mr Hon. and'Leained Gentleman thought it his duty.... 'Or thought it expedient to bring her Majesty so near 'the coast before the deliberations were opened, when it vjoqjd hae been much more convenient to enter upon theni at Geneva, than at a place where she must necessarily be made so prominent as she was, when at St. Omer's. it 'was true, he knew, that the Hon, 'and Learned Gentleman had-gone to Carlisle to vote for a Whig Election, but really he could not think this a matter of such paramount importance as to account far his inattention to the wishes of her jesty. The worthy Alderman who had .inteie:t•4 himself for the Queen, had strangely got the star of the Honourable and Learned Gentleman. lie had first got to the Royal presence, and t' - ,e crnseinet:ce was, her Majesty appeared at once to surrender to that influence of which the Learned Gentleman, when the subject was first agitated in that House, seemed so grievously to complain,. That the wor thy Alderman's counsel had prevailed over that of the Learned Geodeman, had probably coot, 'bated not a little to the failure cf the negociations opened alter, her Majesty left St. Omer's—(t/ear, tr).,—. He conceived that the proposition made to the Qtreea was calculated to produfe the most beneficial malt N