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~~ ~'; ~i nests of the parties from tiem it was -aid to ernaoate. lie ho that his Majesty's minister s, with the transcendent talent, which they would yet modify the Bill considerably. Be considered L is : e ttels 7 was a popular plumy for change. The LORD CH ANCELLOR began by deprecating all such dis cussions as inconvenient and irregulur • still, as the house lied been dragged into them—(cries of no, no, from the opposition)—well then, if not dragged. he (the Lord Chancellor) should borrow a metaphor iron' a Noble Martti, —the house had been seduced and beguiled to i.oter upon n former right, when a motion connected with the 11‘e.ibUte Retorm was brought forward by a Noble Lord (hie notice of which motion was given, the Noble 'marquis ( lo.r.rlontitrry; thought proper to be altogether silent on that occasion, aud now, when the house was prepared only to hear !se.ition re 1. agreeably to the rules of the house, the Noble Lord (Vas—r.o. he supposed he niust not say drags. for that implies 1..7. v. but ,elites, for that implies consent ; the noble lord entices the into a deb ate on the reform question, of which no notice whatever osd been given or expected ; far be it from him (the Lord Chancellor) to enter into all the details of that measure, although no very amicable attack had been made on the proposing of it; he was suffering greatly from fatigue ; he had been without the benefit of bed or board for some limo, which vt.s of itself a sufficient security that he should not detain their lordships eny great length of time in the observations he bad to male. With respect to the broad principle of the measure, was it no abuse which required to be corrected that the right of giving laws to millions at ! r ime, and tens of millions abroad—indeed, he might say, giving laws to almost all the world ; was it no abuse, be inquired, Chat these laws should be framed, and given by a few who obtained their right to legislate by open barter, who bought their scats for mousy, or tier money's worth ? The buying of seats in that house was as common as the buying of cattle-stalls in the public markets, though, peradventure, rot so large a price; yet, for attempting to correct this abuse, his %kite's Ministers were charged with lopping • :7 and tearing up the roots of the ancient Constitution of the country. ha contested elections the barter and sale of men's consciences wax noto. nous, and as degeading and destructive to the characters of the individuals who came into Parliament by such means, as the peons who elected him. Was it nn abuse, therefore, to take away the woe front freemen, and especially non-resident freemen, who were guilty of such peso. rites? He (the hoed Chancellor) had in hits time witnessed a contested • !ection in a great rotten borough, for he could hold Liverpool in no vibes light, where the candidates for many months after the election were not aware that a single shilling of expense bud been incurred be yond what was necessary for erecting the hustings, and the allowable expense of bringing non-resident voters to the roll, yet the sum amounted to 411,0(101. rod t e had been told that the expense of the vtry last election which monk place in that town was three times that amount; he was confident that though the present general reform bill was broken to shivers another local bill would be brought in toil° away with such an apes as the one he had alluded to. But if the measure • t reform had not bean brought forward at this period V,y his dlajesty'o ministers, his noble Friend (l an of Carnat von) who had been for moue sort of reform all his life, would have found fault, and he would have complained of the dilatoriness of ministers, whose present situation strongly remMded him of the old adage— " Men have malty faults, Women have but two; There's nothing right they say, .1:1.1 nothing right th..y do."--( A laugh.) Ministers had been charged with paying no attention to property in the passing of the Reform measure: he could assure the noble lord that property aas its corner-stone ; freemen, he contended, were not pro p:rty ; there was no piorcrty in corporations : a freeman may be a pauper on the parish, and convey to the pauper issue of It's loins the vote which he gives. By the prrinnt bill that right was to be abolished, solely because it was unconnected with property ; in short, property was made the basis of the measure, front the 101. labourer to Ills master, — In conclusion, the noble tral learned lord observed, that if there sat one individual in their lordships' house more ready to prevent any innovation on the settled institutions of the country, which had grown up with her prosperity, he (the Lord Chancellor) was that in divittual. Tire present measure had the additional advantage of, in some measure, pacifying IrJand ; in parts of that country where the repeal of the Union had been agitated, that question was now not heard ot. He should not use the langua.s of threat, but from Cornwall to Sutherland the public peace would be placed in jeopardy if some mea sure of Reform were not adopted. He only begged their lordships to remember that the thunders of Heaven are sometimes heard to roll in the voice of a united people. (Hear, hear.) Lord W YNFORD, at some length contended, that the sons of free men had as much right to their hereditary votes as their lordships had to their titles. Lord FARNHAM denied, that the Reform Bill had in the least pacified any part of Ireland. The LI IR 0 CHANCELLOR aasured the noble lord, that from authentic information which he had received, in certain parts of Ireland where a Repeal of the Union had been called for, since the Reform measure bad been introduced, all agitation on that point had stopped. The petition was then laid on the table. SUBLETTING ACT. After some conversation between LoitlMelboume and the Earl of Wicklow, the second reading of the Subletting Act was postponed, but until what day was not heard below the Bar. Adjourned at Half-past One o'Clock HOLTSE OF COMMONS. Lord STANLEY havin; ; presented petitions from the Jews in Lan cashire, for the removal of their civil disabilities, Mr. R. GRANT took the opportunity of stating, that he should Fastitons his motion till after the Reform Bill had been disposed of. Sir G. 31URRAY r esen ca n petition from the Presbyteries of Scot. isnd, praying that their clergy might be admitted to the elective lean chisr. He did not concur in the prayer. He tirou ; ;ht otte great cause of the high character of the clergy of Scotland, was that they had ne. ver come in collision with their parishioners at elections, nor as magic. trateN nor on the subject of trite.; but he considered the clergy ought to be represented, and that the Universities should scud representatives. As there was to be a change in the representation, of which he did not see the necessity, he would claim on the part of Scotland a greater number of representatives. He could see no reason why a county in Scotland should not send two representadves; nor why town in England having 4,000 inhat.titants should send members, while towns of much greater population in Scotland should send none. Mr. R. GRANT said that a proposition for giving representatives to the Scottish Universities was now under the consideration of go. Sir 0. MURRAY pest:fled at petition from boat owners of Leith against the steam-boat tax, &c. and a petition from the coach masters of Scotland for the repeal of the duty on coaches. Mr. HUNT presented a petition from the suburbs of Manchester, in fatour of the Reform Bill-- though they wete confident that ro Reform could be complete withoat universal suffrage, and ballot and annual parliaments. Also one front New Lanark, in favour of a C.ee trade in corn. He regretted that he had been attacked by the cross tires of the members for Kirkcudbright and NVateriottl—by Sawny and Paddy—(A laugh.) Mr. O'CONNELL said the ha). member had misunderstood him, and therefore misrepresented him. lie bad sacrificed his feelings, Lacing been prosecuted by the government, to support this bill, because he thought it would promote good. The bon. member had become the oracle of theTories,ss they lacked argument. He viewed the hon. mem -1...1 as a mock reformer. and desired not his co-operation. He believed hon. gentleman had sold himself ro the Turks. He had not be- E.:ved that they had bought him ; but if they had, they hed a I..n.pting pennyworth. (A laugh.) He believed the hon. member Wig'. repescnted John Bull as well as Paddy, because he did not understand uhn : for himself. he did not believe John Bull was such a fool us an.: u. accept a great good that was offered, because he could not grasp al! h.: tle.ired. He diernot think that John would intitthe the do,; in fable. lie considered the bill subs.antial good. Mr. Aldermen WA ITH MAN said he would take that opportunity .4 stating, that having considerable intercourse with various bodies of 1.0,1 , 1 e in different t.atts of the country, he never knew any measure so v e rsally popular. (Hear.) H. HARDINGE said he believed the bill was not universally popular, that a large porton of the people were dissatisfied with the Lilt Mr. HUNT said, he bad before stated that the whole country was running wild fur the Bill ; but he stated the other night that there as a !treat re.action. (Hear.) He had vailous deputations to prove it lln had not before charged, but be now charged, the Member for Waterford, whit having trafficked with the Marquis of An2,lesey, for a seat on the Bench, since given to Mr. Doherty. He would say Aim::t he had never shifted his ground, but the Honourable Mcit.t.er for IVaterford had, who, at the Hustings at Clare, dt re,a for universal suffrage. Al.o, that he would move for the re st ota mit of the 40s. freeholders. But all had now been abandoned by t It.: t Nlembtr. He had never abandoned one principle; he supported the full , hut he did not think it went far enough. His constituen►s ap rs-ved of hi- conduct. :%Ir. FERGUSON regretted that the Hon. Member bad at Man eb• %li.i - declared that this bill was a combination to suppress the lower classes. Mr. O'CONNELL declared that the statement respecting him was most unfounded ; he had no traffick with the Marquis of Anglesey for a seat or. the bench. Ile deemed it right to the Marquis to state thus much. The Hon. Member for Preston might think of him as he pleased, but he would never view him as a sincere reformer. (No, no.) Mr. It UNT observed. that his sentiments at Manchester had been stisrepre.ented but he did contend that if 7,000,000 were admitted to votes, that change of laws would take place, which would reduce the prices of provisions, the hours of labour. and advance wages. As to the member for Waterford, he had heard Mr. Bennett declare, that t:i:rr had been the negotiation for place on the bench, which, if success ful would have put an end to agitation. Mr• lIUME said, he had a petition to present from 700 shipwrights, dram ing their perfect approval of the Reform bill. He had also a pe tition from Shaftesbtuy, that was to be deprived of one of its members, highly approving of the measure. Mr. O'CONNELL said Mr. Bennett was a man of character, but if he had n'..de any such he had much Tangoed Min: when he knew wane lie was: be would write to him. The ripre sentation was untrue whoever mode it. Lord W. GRAHAM presented a petition from Dumbartonshire, against the Reform Bill. The LORD ADVOCATE observed, that the petition was carried by 33 persons, half of whom had no property in land. A petition in favour of the bill was on its way from the majority of the landowners of this country. Mr. KENNEDY said, the Scotch county meetings were as good as Scotland had ever had ; but they were select meetings, thirty or forty only having attended ; and it might as well have been expected, that Old Garton would have petitions for the Bill, as have calculated on the rotten counties of Scotland. All the real county meetings, with one exception, were in favour of the bill. Sir GEORGE MURRAY said he had heard with astonishment the Hon. Gentleman apply the offensive term rotten to the counties of Scot. land. (Hear.) He was confident the landed interest of Scotland looked with great alarm at the present measure. The Hon. Member had at. tempted to cry up number and to deprecate property. (Hear.) He had a letter front Sir Thomas Brisbane, who presided at • reform meeting, in which he stated that he had done so because it was a Government measure, and because he did not know it would be such a sweeping measure. (Hear.) He had the honour of being elected four times for his native county on perfectly independent principles.—(Hear.) Sir J. MACINTOSH said it was evident the gallant general consi dered the representation of Scotland as the weakest point in the line of the constitution. He believed the opinion of the middle class of men of property in Scotland was in favour of reform. There might be a meet. ing of the freeholders of a Scotch county, and not one amongst them possess twenty acres of land; so much was the freehold dissevered from the land. Scotland never had a free constitution, but owed her security and prosperity to the shield held ov e r h er b y the constitution of Eng land. She would, for the first time, have a free constitution when this bill should pass. (Hear, hear.) Sir GEORGE CLERK was astonished that the learned gentleman should support a measure that went to change the constitution of Eng land, which was sufficient both for the posperity !„of England and Scot land. (Hear, hear.) He was confident a great majority of the owners of land in Scotland were opposed to the present bill. Mr. FERGUSON said he was surprised to hear the term rotten ap plied to the counties of Sctrland. The counties of Scotland were not bought and sold—they were represented by men of independent fortune and independent mind, and when the bill passed he did not think the representation of Scotland would be much changed. (Hear, bear.) Sir GEORGE WARREN DER said he had received many com munications from Scotland, and was bound to avow the change they had produced in his opinion, and his conviction that the present sys tem could not continue in Scotland, and that popular election must take p:aee. (Hear, hear.) He should, however, continue opposed to dis franchisementboth in England and Scotland. Colonel BA I LLI E said the present state of representation in Scot. land could not continue. He would give one instance in his own case. He possessed a freehold vote in a county by right of superiority over the land of another, from which he derived but a few shillings a-year. In the same county he had an estate of 10001. a-year, from which he had no elective franchise. (Hear.) Mr. CAMPBELL said, it his native county of Fife, there had been no meeting, because the convener of the county refused to call one; but had a meeting been called, he was confident it would be in favour of the measure. (Hear.) General GASCOYNE said he wished to come to some understand ing with the noble lord about what they were to do on ,Monday, how the battle was to be fought. (A laugh.) He thought the noble lord should bring forward his bill in its new shape, and then give some days for its consideration ; to go into the committee on Monday would be a mockery. Lord JOHN RUSSELL said, on Monday he should propose the alterations that were intended to be made in the Bill, and &Per the horse had heard his statement, it would be the better able to judge how it should proceed. (Hear.) Mr. FARE thought if ministers had matured their plan, they ought to divulge the alterations they contemplated. Their mystification gave ground for serious suspicions. The principle of the bill was traffic in the rights of the people. It was to induce Irzland and Scotland to come to the support of the present bill by giving them an increase of re presentatives while tho English members were to be diminished. The gen try of England had also their bribe in fifty-four additional members for counties. All were to be bribed at the expense of the boroughs, the out-voters, and the labouring classes. Lord W. GRAHAM presented a petition from Dumbarton against the tax on steam boats. MESSAGE TROY THE NINO. Lord A LTHORFITrZiit up a message from liis 51ajesty. The SPEAKER read the message u follows : " His Alajesty, trusting to the affectionate regard of his faithful Commons, both for himself and the Queen, recommends their making a provision for her Majesty adequate to the support of her royal dignity, in case she should survive his Majesty." Lord ALTHORP gave notice that to-morrow he should move that the House should take the message into consideration. LAWS AMENDMENT. Mr. CAMPBELL said, he meant to ask leave to bring in four bills fir the amendment of the law of real property, of inheritance and dower, founded on the recommendation of the tommon law commission. As the house was already acquainted with the recommendation of the com missioners, he should not occupy their time by any length of explana tion. The honourable gentleman moved for leave to bring in a bill to amend the law of inheritance and descent, and to allow parents to suc ceed as heirs to their children, and collateral relatives to succeed as heirs to each other, though of the half-blood; and a bill to amend the law respecting dowry and courtesy; and a bill to abolish fines and rear- veries, and to substitute other assurances in lieu thereof; and a bill to I amend the law regarding prescription and limitation of action, respecting real property. Sir E. SUGDEN seconded the motion. He thought some of the evils the bills were intended to remedy called for the immediate appli cation of that remedy ; but there were other of their provisions that re quired greater consideration. Sir R. PEEL said the house last year passed a bill to regulate the fees of officers in the superior courts of justice. - He hoped whenever officers where appointed, the public would derive the advantage of the compensation allowed to existing of cers4 (Hear.) Sir CHARLES WETHERELL thought expense should be abated, and circuitous forms changed ; but practices long established should nut be al:ered without necessity and due consideration. Mr. CRAMPTON (Solicitor-General for Ireland) said the object of the bill was to get rid of useless forms, and to increase the security of legal rights, in which be was disposed sincerely to concur. Mr. O'CONNELL made a few remarks, in which he expressed his unqualified approbation of the proposed registry bill. Mr. CAMPBELL replied, in the course of which he said, that he was determined in not giving precedency to Vie slave question, hut to persevere in pressing on the registry bill to a second reading to-morrow (this day.) Mr. K. DOUGLAS put a question to ministers, to know how they meant to act. Lotd ALTHORP, in answer, said, it was his intention to use all his influence to persuade the bon. member (Mr. Campbell) to give prece dence to the slave question. Mr. K. DOUGLAS was not satisfied with that reply, but wished for a specific answer, whether or not the slave question might be expected to come on first on the following day. Lord ALTHORP said, that although he held the official situation in that house, he had no power to enforce any alteration in the orders of the house. A long conversation ensued, after which tile hon. member (Mr. Campbell) yielded the point. Lord ALT HORP said that it was the intention of Government to cnaourage the Registry Bill, and give it their support. The Registry Bill was then read a first time, and ordered to be read a second time on Wednesday next. On the Civil List Bin being moved to be read a third time— Mr. GOI LBURN made a few observations, objecting to the forms. tion of the present bill as being totally different from any other Civil List that had been brought forward. To furnish a few instances of the want of simplicity in the present arrangement, of the 4,5001. charged for the spore and encouraging the breed of horses, 2,4001. were to be charged on the Civil List, 2201. on the Consolidated Fund, and 1,8001. to be submitted to a Committee of Supply. The public works were partly referred to a Committee of Supply, partly to the Consolidated Fund; the Charities were divided between the Civil List, the Com mittee of Supply, and the Consolidated Fund. These and other in stances which he might adduce, proved that it would be as erroneous to suppose the present Civil List more simple than his own, as it would be to suppose it more economical. Mr. HUME could not conceive bow the right hon. gent. who, in November, had presented to them such a confused mass of papers, could stand up and animadvert on the clear and simplified Bill now before the house. He proceeded to pass in review the different classes of the for mer Civil List. In the Household salaries, the separations now made had simplified the accounts, and put the expenses of the Crown in their true light. In the next class, the Charities, he would even have gone farther than ministers had done, and removed it entirely, as they had no connection with his Majesty, and served only to encourage applicants. He came to the pensions; these were entirely ministerial, and he objected even to the present arrangement. In the Committee, being left in a miserable minority of one vote besides his own. he bad not persevered in his oppo. sition ; but he should that night put his opinion on record on the sub- jeer, by moving that the Civil List be diminished by their entire amount. In the sixth class of the right hon., gentleman's civil list there appeared for diplomatic and other expenses the extravagant charge of 140,0001. These expenses were now open to the investigation of the House. The eighth item, containing the salaries of the Chancellor of the Exchequer and others, had been separated from the civil list, and curtailed. He felt confident that in the 106,0001. for Irish accounts, large reductions would be made by the committee, as also in the Scotch rivesiess, in which, indeed, curtailments had already taken plus. Thus, in consequence of the former ministers losing their places, the civil list had been reduced to 510,0001. leaving the other items to the considera tion of a committee, to the great bcr.etit of the nation, and the relief of the crown from much unmerited obloquy. The tight hon. gentleman had doled out some lamentations with respect to the sports and the breed of homes. lic (Mr. Hume) trusted the country gentlemen, if they wished their sports to be encouraged, would have spirit enough to charge the encouragement on their own pockets, and not on the public, in the present dkressed times. Mr. ()MILBURN had merely said that dividing the hems was not a simplification. Mr. HUME was glad to have this tacit admission of the usefulness of the item. lie would add another word, since they were now all unanimous. Mr. GOULDUR N explained. Lord ALTHtiRP said, the Right Honourable Gentleman, in citing a few instances against the simplicity of the present plan, had passed over the great number of rectifications made in the former Civil List. (Hear, bear.) For instance , on coming into office he bad imagined his salary to be only 3,0001. and was somewhat sur prised on discovering a separate item, which carried it to 5,b001. —(Hear, hear, and a laugh.) The division which the Right Hon. Gentlemen complained of under the head of sports, arose from the plates run for in England being retained in the civil list, while those run for in Sco'lnnd and Ireland were excluded. If the House did not think this division a simplification they would be at liberty to alter it, whereas under the former arrangement alteration was out of their power. The charities expended in England had, in like manner, been alone re tained in the civil list. With respect to the public works, they had been entirely excluded. Notwithstanding, therefore, the objections of the right hon. gentleman. he could not help thinking the civil list had been greatly simplified. (Hear.) Mr. GOULDURN said, that the misapprehension of the noble lord with respect to his salary, must have arisen not from any want of con solidation in the former Arrangement, but from his not knowing that be held two separate offices, and was a Lord of the Treasury, besides being Chancellor of the Exchequer. Sir M. W. RIDLEY said, that before the present separations, the rxpcnditure of the Crown had been greatly exaggerated in public opinion. Air. COURTENAY could see neither simplification or reduction in the present plan. Mr. MABERLY would ask the Hon. Member whether the separa tion of 400,0001. from the Civil List, and which was now subject to the investigation of the house, was no improvement ? Whether there had been no reduction in the pensions ? He had in the Committee proposed some further retrenchments ; but these be would not think of pressing on the house. And had the present Government required an addition of 200,0001. considering how nobly they had redeemed their pledges, and the great things they were effecting, he should have thought it his duty to support them. The bill was then read a third time. Also a clause to be added, by way of rider, separating the diplomatic expenses and the ocher charges from the civil list. 31r. COURTENAY proposed as an amendment, that divers items which he specified, separated from the civil liar, should be defrayed in the course of the session from the consolidated fund or otherwise, and that words to that effect he inserted in the clause. Mr. D. W. HARVEY merely rose to guard against being thought to acquiesce in the non•-surrender of the Duchies of Lancaster and Corn wall. In his motion on the Crown Revenues, which he intended to renew, these Duchies would be eonmised. Col. DAVIES regretted that the pensions should be left in their pre sent obnoxious state.—Dlotion agreed to. Mr. HUME said, he proposed to have the statement as to pensions struck out of the schedule, in order to make the bill consistent. The amount was 510,0001. the amount of pensions was 76,0001; now, as the bill professed to maintain the honour and dignity of the Crown— and as the pensions did neither the one nor the other—he thought they ought to transfer the pensions, and leave the amount 435,0001. This he considered would be more nearly effecting what the bill professed to accomplish. As to the Pension List, there were names on it that ought never to have appeared there. Let them hear what had been granted in pensions during the reign of George IV. only. For England the sum was £896,000 For Ireland 694,000 For Scotland Total... ..... ..... ..1,939,000 Thus, in addition to all the debt with which they were burdened, within so short a period had two millions been " thrown to the dogs." Not one pension in ten, he ventured to say had been deserved. Gentle men might say this Bill only ;panted 76,0001. a-year for pensions; but let it be borne in mind that the public were burdened with between six and seven millions a-year of one sort or another. The system of grant ing pensions ought to be wholly revised; according to the present system, many incompetent persons were placed in situations only as an apology for superannuating t,r pensioning them at the first opportunity. Disapproving of the system, and considering that the fixing of pensions on this Dill was inconsistent with it, he moved that the sum of 435,0001. instead of 510,0001 . be substituted. Mr. HUNT seconded the amendment, not only from principle, but in compliance with the prayer of about sixty petitions that he had pre sented on the subject. They justly declared, that no pensions ought to be granted, except for well known and public services. He not only seconded the amendment, but he should divide the house on it—for he should never sanction what, out of doors, were callzd sham debates. Lord ALTHORP regretted, that it should have been dcemed re quisite to move this amentment. The amount for pensions, be it re. membered, was not now one-half of what it had been, and he trusted that was pretty pod proof of the dispositions of Ministers on the subject. Mr. Alderman WOOD said he must support the amendment • he did so reluctantly , because he consid e red the country m u ch indebted to the present Ministers; but he could not otherwise act, when be recol lected what were the distresses of the people. Only a few days ago sp. plicationa had been made to him for 300 summonses on account of rates—every person so summoned he doubted not being quite as wor thy of the pensions towards which they had to pay as the individuals enjoying them. Mr. HARVEY said he could not support the amendment, because he thougnt the crown ought to have the power of rewarding services in dependently of that House; if it were otherwise, if the pensions were to be controuled by that House, to what contests would that give rise. Mr. WARBURTt fbi said, if they were not to have such control, why were they termed the " Guardians of the public purse." To urge to the contrary, if it were not a libel, was the greatest reflection that had ever been made on that House. Colonel SIBTHORP supported the amendment. The Gallery was then clearvd for a division. The numbers were— For the amendment ... .. ... 17 Against it .. ... ... .. 72 .. . . . . Majority against it ... —56 Mr. HUME, on our re.admission into the Gallery, was complaining of the bill, particularly the hems making up the incomes of the Duke of Cumberland, the Duke of Sussex, &c. It had been over and over again resolved to bring back salaries, owing to the change In the currency, to what they were previously to the additions been made. Some of the Ministers' salaries had been reduced, and reductions had taken place in various departments; and why not reduce the salaries of the Royal Dukes five thousand pounds each ? The example would be still more valuable than the sums saved. By enforcing reduc tions of their establishments, the effect would be to induce others who had aped to live as liberally as royalty, to curtail their establishments. Society had got into a most unnatural state, one class aping the class above it ; so that individuals had too often " got out at elbows" in con sequence of the pernicious examples every where surrounding them. As reform was the order of the day, he thought they could not do better than endeavour to promote economical reform. He concluded with moving, by way of amendment, reductions of 60001. each. Lord ALTHORP said he did not well see how the House could acquiesce in the present amendments, the income having been granted by way of annuity, and by Act of Parliament. Sir 0. IVARRENDER raid he could not agree to the proposed reduction. Col. SIBTHORP opposed the too much. Incomes were not Mr. HUNT supported the amendment. The increase was made by the Whip in 1006, on the express grounds of the dearness of pio visions. When the cause for the increase ceased, why not reduce the additions to the incomes made in 1006 ? 91r. HUME observed, after the amendment was received as it had been, he would withdraw it.—Amendment withdrawn. Col. DAVIES said he would propose reductions in the salaries in the schedule, with the view of reducing the officers of the household pur. anent to the recommendation of the Civil List Committee. To elect such object he proposed that the amount of the salaries of the second els.s be reduced to 119,0001. Lord ALTUORP said, as the proposition now stood, it enabled his Majesty to grant the salaries to officers of the Household, given by previous Kluge. He could not pledge himself that there would be re ductions, nor wou.d he say that the salaries would be continued; the proposition only was, that the King was empowered to gram the sala ries ; if the full amounts were not continued, then there would be a surplus on this class. Sir AL W. RIDLEY hoped, as the pressing of the amendment would he more insulting than complimentary to the King, that it might not be urged. Sir h. BAT `ON said he should press the reduction of the 12,0001. without meaning that it should be tranaferred to any other class. It was the recommendation of the Committee, and it was a question on which he had voted against the late administration. Mr. HUNT hoped the ministers would not oppose this reduction, under all the circumstances ; small as the sum was, it was great in the eyes of the country. Mr. PYLER supported the amendment. Mr. DOUGLAS opposed the amendment. Mr. HUME said, be should support the proposed reduction—not on account of the sum, but for the sake of the principle. They ought to adopt the recommendation of the committee appointed under such pe eullar circumstances. (Hear.) Mr. RUTII V [IN mild, consistently with the principles he had ever professed out of the house, and should ever act on in it, he m ul l sup. port the amendment. Mr. ROBINSON said, though the House was cot bound to act an the recommendation of a Seim Committee, yet he thought the House should either act on it, or assign some very cogent rea. son for its rejection; and he had baud no such reason assigned..._ The aaisries Fax' to the high officers of state who served about his Majesty's person, and were persons of the highest rank and largest tor. tune in the kingdom, could be no object to them ; but the principle was rof importance to the house and the country. He should therefore sup. port the amendment. The gallery was cleared for a division, but none took place, and the resolution was agreed to. The house went into a committee on the Corporate Funds bill. Mr. FYLER said the bill only prevented corporations spending their money on elections ; he thought it ought to be extended to the property of all public bodies. The Hon. Member moved an amendment to that effect. Mr. Alderman WOOD said he should support the bill, but not the amendment. Mr. SPRING RICE supported the bill, and he would have no ob jection to the amendment. Mr. FY LER withdrew his amendment. The several clauses were agreed to. The House resumed. Report to-morrow. The Cities in Inland Bill passed through a committee. The an d pGasea Growth of Tobacco in Ireland Prohibi t ion Bill was rea d a t hi rd time Mr. BENET gave notice, that on the 21st of April he should move certain resolutions respecting the corrupt state of the borough of Liver pool, and fur a further suspension of the writ for that borough. The House adjourned at One o'Clock. FOREIGN JNYELLIGENCE•. NICE, APRIL s.—The King of Sardinia is better, and even speaks of coming to complete his recovery at Nice. His Majesty's disease appears to be precisely the same :is that which proved fatal to George IV. of England. PARIS, April 12.—The National of this date has a long article on the recent proceedings against the Journals, of which the following are extracts : " There is a way of executing the law to the letter, which is the most manifest violation of its spirit. Nobody doubts that M. Persil may prosecute a journal when he sees reason, or that the Court of Assize may pronounce the max imum of the penalty and the fine when it thinks fit.-- But if this is repeated several times in a month for the same journal; if ono journal has five prosecutions against it, ano ther four, another six ; if the severity of the Court of As size is invariably certain, no security can suffice to pay the fines, no Editor but must have his health destroyed by this law ; and this law is a conquest of July, the interven tion of the King on the transgressions of the pries. It is intended to make us say ourseh es what our enemies are incessantly repeating, that we obtained for ourselves poisoned gifts. We have for ever erased front our code confiscation and censorship; but of what avail is it to have abo lished the words if we keep the things ? To seize at once the whole 60,000 francs, which the proprietors of a journal must deposit, would be a crime, a confisca tion; but to take 6,000 francs to-day, as much to-morrow, and so on till the whole capital is exhausted, is strict justice ! To understand the law this would be downright folly. It should be remembered that under the restoration the li beral Journals were evidently inimical to the dynasty, yet the Constitutionnel was able to procure in peace 20,0410 subscribers. The Courrier, the Journal du Commerce, the National, were persecuted, but never, even under the Po- Llcixac Administration, were they treated as the Quoit dienne, the Tribune, the Revolution, are now. When the Ministry of Bth August found that with its official Journal it was no match for the cross-fire of the Revolutionary press it established the censorship. It must always come to this sooner or later when people will not understand that the press has in itself the best remedy for the evils it may I cause." INSURRECTIONS IN TURKEY. FRONTIERS OF SERVIA, the sup pression of the Albanian insurrection, Redschid Pasha has devoted himself with the greatest earnestness to the ad vancement of his private interests, and has paid very little attention to public affairs. The tranquillity which appeared everywhere to exist, and the false assurances of fidelity daily given by the chieftains of the Albanian and Bosnian tribes, so completely lulled him into security, that be had not the slightest apprehension of the plots which the Pitches of Scutari and Travnik hatched almost before his eyes, and which have for their object nothing less than the dethroning of the Sultan. While neither Reds chid Pacha, nor any of the persons about him dreamed of the danger which was threatening the Vizier or the Sultan one of the most formidable rebellions which ever visited the Turkish empire suddenly broke out. The whole of Albania, Bosnia, and part of Macedonia are in insurrection.— The Pacha of Scutari is at the head of the movement. He has gone to the frontiers of Albania and Macedonia, and assembled a corps there, with which he is to march on Con stantinople, while the Pacha of Travnik, with his troops and several thousand Bosnians, is marching against Redschid Pacha. Redschid cannot possess sufficient means for his own defence, and as to his making a movement in favour of the threatened capital, that is quite out of the question. In a word, the situation of the Sultan is most serious. The re-establishment of the Janissaries is the rallying cry of the rebels, who are said to be instigated by foreign in fluence. The regular troops, on which the Sultan can perhaps alone rely, are barely sufficient to hold Constanti nople in check, if the insurrection has ramifications there. Indeed, these troops have on every occasion shown less courage than the irregular militia, who are excited by their fanaticism and rapacity to vengeance and plunder. The east will thus again become the object of political interest; but unfortunately it will also again be the theatre of simian melancholy effusion of blood. Hitherto the Sultan had de layed, to all appearance designedly, the payment of the war contributions to Russia; and he also endeavours, by start ing all kinds of difficulties, to avoid the re-incorporation of the detached districts with Servia. Upon the whole, since the departure of the Russian army, he has carried his bead very high, and he seems to forget that his existence has been protracted solely by the moderation of Russia. The warlike preparations, which have for some time past been made by the Porte, are chiefly confined to the naval service, and appear to be connected with an extensive plan. _ _ MEXICO. Official news of the capture of General Vicente Guerrero was received in this city yesterday, by the schooner Empe ror, from Tampico. The following is an extract of an offi cial despatch from Huatalco, dated 24th January, 1831, by Captain Miguel Gonzales, to his Excellency the Minister of War: " I had an interview yesterday with Guerrero, on board the Colombo, where before I arrived he had been acting in the most singular manner, soliciting most pressingly that he should not be assassinated, if it were only (said he) for the sake of his family ; that his wish was to be carried into a port of the republic, and placed at the disposition of the general government, &c. This man was persuaded that he would be murdered immediately, and when he was informed that a captain of the army was there wishing to see him, he could not believe it : having opened the door, he threw himself on his knees, trembling, and appeared like a man who expected his death-blow. Seeing this, I began to appease and quiet him, until I found him composed and willing to p ro ceed 011 the march. As Guerrero is quite destitute of clothes, having with him none but those be wears, I have requested the com mandant-general Garcia Conde to have a bed prepared for him at Oajaca, having provided him in the mean time, from my own means, all the necessaries for the journey."—New Orleans Courier.