Star. — London, England, 1831-08-20 00:00:00

A reran-ice in this termed, that we cannot bring our minds to comprehend the change that this bill will effect. Take us individually, and every man says that he would scorn an interference in the exercise of his rights ; but we fear for one another. Every man feels that he himself will be menet- I *tea, but cannot bring himself to believe that the same effect will be produced on other men. Feeling comes at once • hot that which is produced by reflection is more tardy. in short, I am quitesatisfled. that this division of counties is favourable rather than otherwise to the rights of the people in general. With regard elan to the right °reining of freeholders for the county, when they happen to reside in cities or towns which are counties of themselves, as in the case of Southamp ton, Coventry, and so on, I can see no halm that can arise from these freeholders voting in the counties ; bur, on the contrary, a great deal of good : they add to the number of votcts for :he county members. and, so far front giving weight to the land, they will as far as they go, diminish ins weigh!. But they add to the number of voter* for the county members ; and, gentrolly sneaking. they are, in this case, likely to he indeponder.t voters. With re gard to Mr. Flume's motion for amending the bill to as to admit members cominz firm the colonies, one objection is, that it troilid totally cher the hill. I ant sorry that he made the motion, because hi. conduct, since is became member for Middlesex, has keen so good that I do not like to see anything to detract from its merit. Mr flume should recollect, that, as to the North American Colonies, it would be bringing in so many vipers who would side with any ministry, be it who or what it might, that would rob the people of England in order to give the tax-caters in those colonies money to go and spend in the more genial climate of the United States. Those co lonies are a monstrous burden upon England as it is; they are a mere excuse for the swallowing up of English taxi-Nand heaping them on parsons and other dependents of the aris tocracy who are snot out to those colonies. Besides, those co lonies have all their local legislatures ; they do not suffer the Parliament to tax them; why then are they to he repre-' rented in that Parliament ? What voice ought they to have in the making of laws fi.r England, Scotland, and Ireland, when all the burdens of war, and of every other sort, lie upon the people of this country ? In short, the thing is such that I am quite surprised that it should have been agitated by N:r. Hume.-I am quite satisfied with the bill, only upon condition that another bill is to be brought in to limit the duration of Parliaments. Pass this bill, and repeal the Septennial let, to do which about forty words are enough; and then i shall say, that he is an unreasonable man who will not cordially assist in giving effect to this bill, and who will not be content without anything further, until, upon a fair trial, this bill shall have been found not to le suf. fide nt. MAL PARLIAMENT. f:OUSE OF LORDS, Atreus? 19 . In tile milieu= of the Lord Chancellor. the Earl of SHAW ELS111:11Y took his seat upon the Wiloiseck at fire u'etock. Waller, !ion. the cffice of %Fonds and Forests, brought u;: !he annual areeu: t of the Courmil,sioners. The Esc.se duty on Candles Ilepeal bill was read a second The Asse,,sed Taxes bill was also read a second time. Lord KING presented several petitions from different r sees of the United Kingdom, ngeinst the tithe system. The Noble Lord at the same time presented a petition, • ry numerously signed, complaining of the conduct of the yeomen at Nee%lowaltatry. the ut WICKLOW suggested that such a Petition could not be presented to their lordship's house. He ob. j, eta de chlcilly to its being received. Lerd Kiss tina:ly wit h drew' the petition. . Lord TENT LIMN entered at a quarter rnat five o'clock, tied took his seat mom the Weolssek. 0.1 the avo:!:41 cf the Earl of SHA FIF.SHU V. the Ariotration I I paced t: rough a committee, and was or. d, red ut be rei.teti on Monday. On the motion of the Earl of SHAFTESBURY, the itte , l:Latler . lilt passed through a committee, and was or. tkted to be reported on Monday. Lit.' TEN PER DEN brought in a Bill similar to that which he had introduced in the last Session, altering the law with resp,ct to the time of proscription. Ike Bill sits read a first time, and ordered to be printed. Tne Earl to WICKLOW gave notice that its would on • Monday put to his Majesty's Ministers a question respecting tile yeomanry of Ireland. The house then adjourned until Monday. HOLSE OF COMMONS. Lord D. STUART presented a petition from Arundel, .praying for vote by ballot, &c. Mr. H ODG ES presented petitions against the steam na vigation bill from Milton sod Gravesend. Mr. Ald. WOOD said that he intended to postpone the second reading of the biU in question till Monday nest, and then refer it to a select committee up stairs. Mr. II &UGLILY condemned this system of legislation, by which the pace of a steam vessel was to be cwt trod to a Oren time. They might as well regulate tie spevel of their horses. What was the object of steam or of railroads, but to give effect to rapid travelling? Mr. O'CONNELL thought, as there was danger from the speed of steam vessels in the Thames, it was necessary that slaw should be passed to restrain that speed. Mr. C. WYNN mid that the common law was open to am one aggrieved by the rapid p of the steam vessels. Mr. HODGES suggested tha r t e graecund reading ought to be delayed for a week. Mr. D. W. HARVEY thought that the course suggested by the. hon. member for London was the most advisable ilia could he adopted. lie was opposed to the principle of the ▪ I.u, was favourable to summary punishment being in flicted tor i: juries dove by a steam vessel. After a few words from Mr. Howie, Mr. Wilke, and Sir 1.% Bonen, _ :Sir. Alderman WOOD said that there ought in be some teniedy fur this rapid sailing, as there was for furious Mr. 111111 E prest.ted a petition from places in Ireland, praying that the i;:oney given for education might be har.ded user to the liaivan Catholic Prie►ts, and not to the Kildare. plate Societe ; alsu, a petition to the same effect from Altnaghan; also, a petition from the Western Union, ins) ing this:, as the house had given 100,0001. car .to tite Queen. in case of the death of his Majesty, that it would also grant to the widows of operatives 231. a -year etch. Mr. C. M . YNN doubted very much the propriety of icceiving this petition. He should oppose itv reception. s:r:insert w. re ordered to withdraw, but Sir J. GltA it .131 addressed the Howe, and thought that 23 ilie motion vi as that the petition be brought up, they (night nut to oU:et to it. He should object to the petition being printed. Alter an obetreation from Mr. C. Writs( and Mr. O'Cortsshh, Mr. CHU ltT EN AY would oppose the petition, as it was attempting to ridicule the proceedings of that House. Mr. STANLEY would oppose the printing of the rd. tin., but he thought it was giving it too much importance to oppose It now. - - Mr. HUNT thought that the Act giving 100,0081. to the Queen, while the people of England were in such a state of distress, was one that ought not to have been passed. The SPEAKER called the hon. member to order. Mr. HUNT was proceeding in the same strain, but was again called to order. Mr. HUME saw no impropriety In.receiving this petition, and he should, if necessaty, press its reception to a division. After a few observations from bit J. Newport, Mr. Hume, ar.d Colonel Davies, Sir J GRAII A 31 thought that as the phrase" profligate" bad been applied In the petition to an act passed in the pre sent Session, it ought not to be pressed upon the attention of the house. Sir R. V YVYAN also objected to the introduction of the petiuon into that house, as it called in question a pail made by this house. Mr. HUME consented to wi•hdraw the petition. The lion. Member presented petitions against the tax apes koosiedge, front Birmingham, the Printers of the City if Lordon abd Glasgow. Also a petition from Cork, paying that the Degrees of Fellowship and Scholarship is Trial*, College, Dublin, might be left open to merit, without rew gard w met or religion • praying also that the revenues that College might be l ooked into. Upon the motion that the petition be printed, Mr. W YSE supported its prayer. Mr. HUME postpooed his motion respecting the Mobs* rick of Derry until Tuesda_y week. The Marquis of CHANDOS withdrew his mode r li . opectiog the letter of the Sing of Belgium to he* lug for troops, which was fixed fee to-morrow (thie ZISOTWN FOS ORMSBY. Upon the modem of Six 0. CLERK, the mulleins et ece for Grimsby arse sailed in, and examined by Aireeszn, tot:aft the delay comma with the MIMI of the election writ. He said his name was John Moody, and was mayor and returning officer for Grimsby. He received the precept for the election from the Sheriff of Lincoln on August 5, and gave a receipt for it. He made proclama tion for the election on the next day, and the election took place on Wednesday, the 10th of August, and cloud at eight or nine o'clock the same evening. The indenture respecting the election was completed that evening, and was handed by him to the Town Clerk in the usual way, for him to transmit it to the High She riff. Was not sure that he receictd any instructions from the High Sheriff to make the return himself. 11 , heard nothing of the matter afterwards ettill he was waited upon by the officers of the House of Conmons. He took it for granted that the Town Clerk, ohn ear the legal ad viser of the Mayor, would have dune all that was reeess:,ry. The Town Clerk, whose name sets Burke, was at Grimsby. Did not know if he acted as the agent of either of the par. ties concerned in the election. Ile voted for the Blue rercy. The Town Clerk said that it was owing to a pressure of business in his office that he neglected sending the writ to the Sheriff Sir G. CLERK thought the Mayor of Grimsby was not woolly blameless, and therefore he should move that he he called in and admonished by the Speaker. He should fol low thie motion up, by movinz that the Town Clerk do attend at the bar. _ Sir T. FREMANTLE thought it would be unadviaable to blame the Mayor, mail they had first aseertatained what w:s really the conduct of tile Town Clerk. Mr. TENNYSON hoped the house would pause before they cast a stigma on the Mayor, who seemed to have done everything usual fur the returning officer of the borough in question to do. Heals° bore testimony to the high respects. bility of the Town Clerk. fir. C. WYNN thought that, before the mayor ww. ad monished, the ►own clerk ought to be brought to the bar of the house. He moved therefore that the mayor of Grimsby be ordered to attend at the bar of this house on Tuesday next After an observation front Lord Althorp, the motion was agreed to. Upon the voodoo of Sir G. CLERK, the town clerk of Grimsby wen also ordered to a; tend on the same day. Mr. TENNYSON. in reply to Mr. IL Hughes, said , that he wouh.l make inquiry into the sale of certain stores at Portsmou,lt. REFORM BILL. The house resolved fuel, Into a committee upon the micro' bill. Lord A LTHORP said that, when the amendment of the ruble lord (Chandoe) was agreed to last night, h.: under. !Wild the noble lord to eonfiue his amendment to tenant. of will of lands, and not to extei.d it to tenants at will in bowel.. He (Lord Althorp) iatended to move as an 'mend. meat. giving a vote to the person letting this property, if he held the property under a lease of 20 years, and pro. vi.l.d also that Itc obtained a profi. rent of 501. a-year, and that he was in possession of the property for 12 months, from the 30th of November. The noble lord moved an amend. Melit to that effect. Colonel SIBTHORPE claimed the advantage of having been the first mover of the amendment agreed to the preced ing night. A short conversation took place between Lord Althorp, Sir G. Clerk, Mr. Estcourt, and the Attorney-General ela tive to the operation of the proposed clause upon persons holding leasehold property of • certain amount. Co!ontl WOOD complained of the necessity of voters regi , tering votes tinder the pro, osed alteration made by the noble lord. lord ALTHORP, in reply to Mr. C. Ptusax, said that the cluuse, as amended by him, would include persons hold. ing a house and land, or houses only. Sir C. WE TH ERELL did not exactly understand the , purpose of the amendment proposal by the noble lord, and puricularly alluded to the registration part of it. Sir .1. SCAR LETT also adverted to the 20 years' term in this clause. and asked for explanations. Lord A LTHORP, in the course of a technical reply, res. peeling registration, took occasion to say that he could not foresee when the ft form bill would pass. (A laugh.) Sir J. SCARCE:TT never knew a bill more open to cavil than the one now befote the house. After a few words from Lord AL:Hoar, Colonel WOtiD begged that the registration clause should not be discussed then. When it did come before the house, he would show that the registration of votes would be pro eiuctive of great expense. After a few observations from Mr. Praed, Lord Althorp, 51r. Iteni.on, thr. Bating, Sir 0. Warrender, and Mr. Ctoker, the verbal amendments were agreed to. Lord ALTHORP then proposal certain amendments in clause 16. The question was ooe of law,with which be did not feel competent to grapple, but he thought that the occupy ing tenant had a right to vote if the lease was of a compe tent value, and held for a term of yean. After some remarks from Sir J. Scarlett, the Attorney. General, Sir C. Wetherell, and Lord Althoip, Mt. C. FERGUSSON approved of the amendment, which was agreed to, and stands part of the clause. It was then proposed, that clause 10 stand part of the bill. Nlr. DLNISON inquired if the payment of a rent of 601. a.year would entitle the party to a vote ? Lord ALTHOIhP said, that his opinion was, that any person who occupied a house Lifland at 601. a.year rent should have a vote, and the queition was decided by the Committee. Air. O'Connell, Sir J. Scarlett, and Lord Abhor') made • few observations. Mr. D. GILBERT mid that he felt it his duty to move an amendment to the clam, with a view to protect existing rights. If the amendment was not acceded to, he appre hended great injury to the landed interests. He moved to r...striet she rlgh, of voting on the qualification of forty shil ling freeholds to persons seised of an interest of inhe ritance, Lord A LTHORP considtred the amendment of the hon. genet:man entitled to the consideration of the Committee. After a few words from 3lr. Donde' and Mr. Campbell. Mr. BARING said that, under the clause, he could cre ate, on his own property in the county of IVilts. by an she raticn in the leaser, without impairing the interests of the the tenants, 200 voters, and he was sure that it was a prin ciple that would be adopted throughout England, if not altered. He approved of the amendment. Mr. C. FRILOUSSON said that he thought the amend ment should be adopted, to prevent abuse, and unless some thing of the kind was agreed to, the greatest abuses would grow up. He trusted that the hon. member would persevere In his amendment. Lord ALTHORP had not the slightest objection to the lamendment, (cheers.); but he wished the hon. member would withdraw it for the present, and he (Lord Althorp) would undertake that a similar clause should be prepared, and added to the bill when a report was brought up. After a conversation between Lord Milton, Mr. C. Per gussets, Mr. C. Wynn, and Mr. Wilke, the amendment was a ithdrawn. Mr. KNIGHT contended that the claws was highly ob jectionable, and ought to be reprinted before the commit tee was called upon to adopt it. After a few remarks from Mr. Serjeant Wilds, the At. toroey-General and Lord Althorp, Mr. BARING said that it was of the highest constitn donal importance that the clause should be clear and gible, as the lists of electors were to be made out by pariah officers; and as there appeared to be so much difficulty on the part of the learned members of the committee to under stand It, he thought that the clause ought to be rendered most intelligible. If he thought that he would be supported in an amendment, he would get rid of such an antiquated patch-work clause, by merely the substitution of plain lan guage. He entered his.protest against the whole clause. as likely to increase the county expenses, open the gates to fraud, and throwing the whole power of the county into the bands of country summits. Lord ALTHORP said if the Government had adopted the opinion of the Hon. Member, they would have experi enced greater opposition than they had to the bill. He thought that there would be no difficulty iq arranging and giving the return under the clause, as the parish officers were not so ignorant as the Hon. Member believed. Mr. HUNT observed that there was a system more simple than that proposed by the Hon. Member for Thetford. It was the system which was practised to Westminster and Southwark, namely, that every householder paying taxes should be entitled to vote. lie was quite sure that ulti. mately the system of the ballot would be adopted. Of this he was eonvlmed from the observations of the Noble t o ,ia (Altharp) last night, wbo sar;4lt — batt6t it - e1147/ i votes to tenants at will would make them dependent on their ' landlords. Nothing could destroy the undue influence of the landlord but the ballot. Mr. 8. WORTLEY suggested the postponement of the lolaus. It was unreasonable to propose to the Homo to sires to it without further consideration. ' lEr B. EILIODEN urged the propriety of printing this clause before it was *gored to. It was impossible for the House to Judie of its and in Its present state. Lord ALTUORP observed that the bill should be re printed after it wu reported, when any membcr might pro pose what amendment he pleased to any clause. Mr. DARING objected to the whole clause, because it might be altered and simplified without affectin g the prop:a dore of demomatical and aristocratical interests in the coun as. The county right of voting might be made se simple the borough right of voting. After some desultory observations, the clause was agreed to. — Clause 17 was then agreed to, after a few observation by Sir E. SUODEN and the ATTORNEY-GENERAL, Le•rd ALTHORP then proposed the consideration of clause 0, which had been postponed. This clause proposes to give to the Sheriff's of the Counties the,pppointment of the returning officers in all the new boroughs within their respective counties. hir. MACKINNON rose to propose an amendment to this clause, but was informed that the proper occasion for moving his amendment was not yet come. The CHaIRMAY then proceeded to teed the clause until he came to that part which provided that certain officers therein named should be the returning officers In their res pective boroughs. Mr. W YNN wished to know how the new returning ofo - would be remunerated ? At present the sheriffs and under sheriff, were liable to severe penalties for taking any fee for making returns. Lotd A LTHORP observed, that it was not intended to give them any remuneration: the election would not last long, and barristers would give them assistance. Mr. ROSS observed that though at present no compensa tion was given to returning officers in borough's for making the returns, still lhoi,e officers held some lucrative situations by virtue of their offices, which could not be the case with the returning officers in the new boroughs. He therefore thought that some remuneration should be made to the latter. Sir J. WROTTESLEY did not see why the returning officers for the new berotii;it should not perform such du. ties gratuitously. Sir C. W'ETIIEItELL rot being • friend to the Bill, begged to look at the clause with a malignant eye :-- (laughter ) In the old boroughs, the retuning officers were obliged to make the taunts ; but what would be the consequence, if the persons named by the sheriffs should decline to discharge the duties of returning officers. He thought that an astringent clause should be introduced, to compel those officers to perform their duty. Now be thought that there might be some difficulty in finding re. turning officals in some places, such as Ely Rents and Saffron Bill :—(laughter.) He doubted If proper officers could be found in those places ; perhaps it was better to adjourn this clause again; if any person moved an ad journment, he should second it. He certainly did not ap prove of giving the appointment to the Shoal's. The ATTORNEY-GENERAL contended that any pet son appointed by the sheriff as returning officer, according to the pros isions of this clause, would be obliged to perform that duty ; or if he should neglect it, he would be liable to be indicted, or brought to the bar of that house. Whoever was declared by the law to be the returning officer was bound to discharge the duties of that office. So was the person who should be appointed by the sheriff. Sir C. WETHRRELL contended that the sheriff could not compel coy person to discharge the duties of returning officer. Parish and corporate officers were obliged to dis charge their duties by the common law ; but unless there was a compulsory provision in this clause, the nominees of sheriffs could not be compelled to act as returning officers. Unless the clause was so altered as to provide for this defect, he would oppose it. filr. CA itIPBELL coincided in the construction put on the clause by the Attorney. General. After a few words from Sir G. Clerk, Lord Alehorp, and Mr. Wason, Sir R. PEuL thought that there was a distinction between the returning officers who held offices in boroughs and those who should be appointed by the Sheriffs. Mr. Serjeant WILDE would agree with the right lion. baronet that it wee an extraordinary power to give to the Sheriffs the appointment of returning officers; at the same time he woull say, that if such appointment was given to the Shetiffs, the officers so appointed would be liable to penalties, if they neglected to discharge their duties. The question was, would this clause effect the object which it was intended to accomplish ? and for his part he could rot see that the power of appointing returning officers could he placed in better or mote respectable hands than those of the Sheriff. (Hear, her.) Sir C. WETHERELL commeoted at some length upon what had fallen from the honourable and learned Serjeant, and contended that the sheriffs would not be as amenable to legal proceedings as other persons. He therefore thought that sheriffs were unfit persons to appoint returning officers. Mr. CARTER observed .that the statute of Elizabeth with respect to the appointment of overseas got rid of the objection. That statute, though not in express words, ens. bled churchwardens (*appoint overseers. Sir E. B. SUDDEN said that all the improvements made in the bill emanated hem that side of the house. (Hear, bear.) He thought that the obligations and duties of the returning officers ought to be clearly defined, inasmuch as the non-perfortmusee of the duties of the office would incur serious penalties. It was hardly possible to tell w: at the effect of this power to the sheriff would be. The noble lord had pprehended that sheriffs might exercise an influ ence over elections , and he therefore provided that no sheriff should offer himselfu a representative dill* place for which be was sherilL This would show that the noble lord had some doubts respecting the fitness of the sheriff. The noble lord should look whether some other public officers could not be found to discharge the duties of returning officers. The ATTORNEY-GENERAL supported the prudence of placing the power of appointing the returning officers in the bands of the Shell& Sir R. PEEL thought that placing such a power in the hands of a Sherif, would be most unwise. The Right Honourable Hemet pointed out the abuses that would arise from such • nomination, and complained of the indefinite manner in which the clause was framed. He suggested that some other arrangement for the discharge of the great duties of returning officers might be devised. Mr. CRAMPTON contended that the person nominated by the Sheriff would be bound to act as returning officer, according to the provisions of the bill, or else submit to the penalties mentioned in the clause. Mr. G. BANKES observed that the nomination might continue for life as wen as for a single year. This was an additional objection. The nominations would be made by the Sub sheriffs, and the result would be that the office of returning officers would fall into the hands of attorneys, ar.d he thetetore thought that some further consideration ought Is be given to a clause so important in its object. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHkQUER agreed, that it was not advisable to place a high responsible power in the herds of one individual. His Majesty's ministers had I considered the matter duly, and upon the fullest deliberation they were of opinion, that the High Sheriff was the fittest to entrust with the power of nomina t ing to t hi s o ffi ce . Tbsperson Sheriff was an annual officer, and the probabilities of abuse consequently became the more remote. Some per. son must take the office upon him, and then the quest on was, could a more respectable person be found fee it than the High Sheriff? It had been said that no person would under. take an office without emolument, as would be thecase with respect to the returning officer; but In this opinion be yield not agree ; for, on the contrary, he thought that an office which conferred distinction upon the individual who held it would remain unfilled. The Shelf' was a peewit resident in the county, and therefore as likely as his Sub-sheriff to know who were and who were not fit persons to nominate to the office. Mr. C. W. WYNN observed upon the absence of all provision for the due performing of the important duties of the returning officer. The same cheek that eziated in the choice of Sheriffs might be adopted. The names of three persons might be returned, and the Sheriff would then have the option of making his selection. Mr. 3IACKINNON contended that his arguments re mained unanswered. After a few words semis the table from Laid Altharp, Mr. Mackinnon, Dlr. Prised, and Sir C. Wetherell, Mr. HUNT observed that the power of appointing return. I ing (Seers for the three new metropolitan dialttoto oollot moll to be entrusted to the Sheriff. After an observation from Mr. 0. Roe, Mr. Weal, and Sir. C. Wynn. The blank was then filled up with the words two months. The various ether blanks ft the agape were ask ftllkititp4 Lord ALTHORP, in reply to thil M i g g • said that on to-morrow be proposed to go Is, 19, and 20, but not 10 much eidoseng' .1 " r After a short conversation between Waal WAG, tyltil Lord ALTROSP respecting the regis t ration arise (the 9th we believe), the claw la which blanks bll4lllo4illil up wee agreed to. 'it - • Mr. PRAM? suggested that the cessiderala As 111th clause should he postponed. • - Lord A LTHORP saw nospxxl ground for net )htihriPt On to-morrow. ..., .. An honourable member gave notice that be would on to- morrow (we believe) move that the members of the house should not be diminished. Upon the motion that the Union of Parishes (Ireland) bill be read a second time, Mr. HUME moved that the bill be read a second time that day six months. Mr. LEFIcOY said that the bill in question was merely to amend another bill, and was merely to enable bishops so build chapels of ease for the accommodation of Protestants not near a parish church. After a short desultory conversation, Mr. STANLEY recommended the withdrawala the bill as he saw no improvement in the bill upon the existing law. 11r. LEFROY complained of the bad faith of the Go. vernment respecting this bill. Mr. STANLEY denied that any faith was broken on the subject. The gallery was then cleared for a division, when there appeared, For the second reading 11 Against it 38 Blajority against the second reading .. —27 The other Orders of the day were then disposed of; and the honse adjourned at Two o'Clock. FOREIGN INTELLIGENCE. CHAMBER OF DEPUTIES. P• 11181, WEDWEADAT, Ave. 17. The order of the day was adopted Ly a great majority. The Chamber then resumed the debate u p on t h e address. The question remained at the same point as yesterday, when the Chamber declared the discussion upon M. Bignon's arretdment, and M. Felix Bollit,'S sub-amendment closed. The President of the Council, in rising to speak on the state of the question, raid that it was clear that the intention of IL Felix Bodin was to amend M. Bignon's pro:totition. It seemed, therefore, necessary, fi rst to put to the vote tk amendment of M• Botlin ; which proposed to substitute the words " firm hope," for certainty." The Crown had ex. plained itself with frankness, and endeavoured to accelerate the 'end of the struggle which kept up such deep emotions. To go beyond this would he to determine a war, for the Go vernment could not, without being wanting to its own dig. nity, abandon a certainty which it had a. need, until it had exhausted all the means of causing it to triumph. Again, in case of war, the word " certainty," would be too strong, for it would command us to enchain fortune. Bence, Ido not object to Ni. Bodin's amendment, but must insist upon ' the word certainty being expunged. hl. &decree approved of Al. Bignon's amendment, as he could discover nothing hostile in the word " certainty." M. Bignon said, that in a conversation with ministers, he hail learnt that there would be no objection to "assurance," and consequently he would propose the substitution of slut word for " certainty." The Minister for Foreign Affairs stated, that ministers could not object to the word "assurance," as it was precisely that employed in the speech from the throne. N. de Tracy disapproved of the change, and added, that as M. Bignon had abandoned the word" certainty," he would take it up. After a discussion as to which of the amendments should hay: the priority, that of 111. Bignon was put to the vote and adopted. The next paragraph of the Address was then read as fol lows : " In the examination of these difficult negotiations, we ate confident that we shall find a proof o f th e di gn i t y an d perse mance with which the true interests of France have bent maintained. The political system which shall ensure to our country the benefit of the liberty she has achieved, and will lay the foundation of her internal prosperity. and at the same time render her powerft'l and respected abroad, will receive from France the most entire adherence and energetic support." M. Latium moved that this paragraph should be ex. punged. 111. Bernard proposed that this paragraph should be worded as follows :—" The Chamber is expecting the communica tion of the diplomatic documents which served for the bases of these negotiations. It will examine them with acre/talons attention, and with the hope of finding the proof that the real interests of France and her dignity have not been eons promied." The hon. deputy said that this amendment did not proceed from himself, but was in conformity to the original draft of the Address, which was voted unanimously by the com mittee. Subsequently, ministers gav e explanations which satisfied the majority of the committee, and the paragraph was changed. He ( Bernard), however, who was in the minority, re.produced the original paragraph in the form of an amendment. The amendment of M. Bernard was then put and rejected. M. Lachere withdrew his amendment, and the paragraph was adopted. ' The remaining paragraphs were then adopted as follow : " If Europe is convinced of the honour of our intentions, she ed ought e h sin t a ce k r o it/ot e our wishe s for f o o r r ou th r e i r:i o ai we n t ten a s s :l d ee o ;tf o tse r ace, termination to use it in causing our independence and our rights to be respected. France will preserve them with the utmost care. At the first call her generous children flew to arms, and she saw with pride the sons of her King fly to the combat and neat the example given by their father when he fired the first cannon in support of liberty. " For us, Sire, whom our country has invested with her 'confidence in these momentous days, we will fulfil our mission by closing round your Constitutional Throne, and forming a rampart for it by our union, our perseverance, and our in violable devotion to our county." The Chamber then proceeded to ballot upon the myna& of the Address, which was adopted by a majoti.y of 282 against 73. The President drew lots for the grand deputation to carry up the Address, after which the Climber adjourned. La France Nouvelle.—" The discussion of the Address is at length terminated. After seven days of the most animated debates which have for a long time taken place in the Elective Chamber, the idea which predominated in drawing up the Address— an idea wholly in accordance with the Ministerial system— has triumphed over all the efforts of the Opposition. Its adoption by an immense majority conlirms what every day was rendering apparent, the hnppy accordance existing between the repre sentative chamber and the ministers, in whom the King has placed his confidence." Le Journal des Delves congratulates the coun try on the calm and rational manner in which (with the single exception of the episode in Tuesday's debate) the discussion on the Address has been conducted. With respect to the verbal dispute on [ the mode of expressing the sentiments of the Chain ! her on the Polish question, it remarks, that although the word ultimately chosen is doubtful and equivocal, it was impossible to be otherwise, because the chamber wished to find some tertium quid, which should be more than negotiation, and bas than an appeal to arms. This was impossible, bemuse the recognition asked for by the Opposi tion must inevitably have led to war, as is proved by the cases of the United States of America and Greece, in both of which war was the immediate result of recognition, and no course presented itself between the two points of negotiation and recognition. • Le Constilutionnel remarks, that it cannot see what was gained eithe r by th e ministry or by M. Bignon's party by the substitution of the word " misurance" for " certitude," which it appears was agreed on before the sitting, as a matter of compromise, since, in the " Dictionnaire de l'Aca dialie," the word " certitude" is defined by the wee* " assurance pleine et entiere " and the word "assurance" by the word " c er titude." Le Temps, after remarking on the importance * ;iterations made by the Chamber in the Address, particularly that caUing expressly for the e slr• proagation of popular instr u cti on , says : " O n the ' wfinle, the discussion has made the Clikinber Immo is itself and to the Ministry ; it has re assured the public mind by the moderation ob sarved by several orators who were still the objects Of some mistrust ; it has given some wholesome lessons to the Ministry, by proving that and violence are not the means of guinin 7 it. f, ject; and it has been especially useful in signs'''. ing the desire of reform and economy which vades the Assembly, and which must be mti. t , to without delay." Le National argues, that the division on t i„ ensemble of the Address proves nothing in G o. " of ministers ; th at the 73 who vot e d i n the It. nority are only those who persevered with NI de Tracy in requiring the word certitude N inserted in the paragraph relative to Poland, t., that no definitive majority on either aide has r oi pronounced itself, inasmuch as, on o ne hand, 'the Address has been carried by ministers by vii tue of a compromise, and, on the other hand, a large e a . jority opposed the rectification of the proces verb a !, and condemned the conduct of the minister in th e sitting of Tuesday. L'Avenir.--"All the faults of M. Casimir Pe. rier result from an irritable organization which he is unable to controul. With all our institmier it is peculiarly necessary that the mind of a ter should have full power over the body which animates. Richelieu and Napoleon thenr,. e :v won'd be misplaced in our social situation. I: 0 . according to, perhaps the most profound pa!; Machiavel's reilexions, it is not sufficient for • statesman to have genius ; that genius must ako be specially adapted to the circumstances in r,•Li,!, he is placed. At present persuasion alone CM triumph, and he who has only force will be brokeii in pieces." _ _ La Gazette de France says, that the real cause of the tumult was the irreconcilable division exist. ing in the Chamber between two parties so equally balanced, that the most trifling incident suffices to turn the scale, and adds, that it proves that no ministry affording any hope of stability ca n b e formed out of such a Chamber. The only remedy is an appeal to France. Le Globe.—ln reality the ministry is annulled. With the existing disposition of the chamber it cannot govern ; every night M. Perier is in doubt whether the next day will see him minister; his fate depends on a word, on a syllable. The sub stitution of un, tine, for le, la, is sufficient t overthrow him. Only a fortnight has elapsed since the chamber commenced business, and the mi nisters have already twice prepared for a change of residence. Such an administration has its hands tied—such a state of things is the most decided anarchy. This situation cannot last ; for if anarchy remains but a short time longer in the higher parts of the social organization, it will affect the whole, and society will be in a state of dissolution. La Quotidienne says, that fear is the main po litical weapon of the ministry. Thus, when the Chamber speaks of Italy, the ministry frightens it with Austria; when of Belgium, England is the bugbear ; and when Poland is mentioned, Austria, Russia, and Prussia are represented as ready to unite in devouring us if we move a step. La Tribune also says, that the majority of the Chamber has peeved that it is, like the ministry, under the dominion of cowardly and abject fear. Le Cormier Francais says, that the French troops ought not to retire from Belgium until they have secured the country in the possession of its natural frontiers, since it is absurd to talk of the country being protected by its neutrality, when single battle gained would enable the Dutch to ad vance to Brussels, and then France will be called on every minute to arm 50,000 men to repel tbs invaders. The only way to protect Belgium is to give it the means of protecting itself, which can only be done by assigning to it its natura! frontiers. Fazigar Fuming, Palm, Aug. 17.—Five per Cents. 89f. 60c. Three per Cents. 58f. 50e. BELGIUM. BRUSSELS, AUG. 16, TUESDAY EVENING.— A courier arrived here yesterday evening with des patches from London, which are considered of the highest importance. Their contents have been communicated to the King and the Government by the British Ambassador. It is conjectured that they relate to the introduction of the French troops into this country, and to the occu• pation of all its strong places by them, both of which facts are supposed to be highly un satisfactory to Great Britain. The Belgian Minis try have holden several councils on the subject,and have had various communications with Sir Robert Adair and General Belliard. It is affirmed by some of the influential members of the government, that they cannot do without the French troops, which are daily increasing, and which are to be completed, to the number of 50,000 men. Belgian government, now fully convinced of its weakness, and fearful of another invasion on the part of Holland, openly states its intention to obtain the delay of those troops until a peace be concluded. There are French troops to be sta tioned along the whole line of the Dutch fron tiers. The Belgian government is much embarrassed by the presence of the French troops, and by the demands of the English government. There is now no Belgian army of any force, and it is feared that the French diplomacy, w hi c h irged the Priem of Orange to attack this country, will throw such obstacles in the way of establishing a peace be tween Belgium and Holland as will distract era the conference itself. The Prussians at Aix-Is- Chapelle have begun to make movements is their army. The Governor of that city strived here this morning, and has had interviews with the French and English Ambassadors, also with the Belgian Minister. PeePeratkm are stated to have been made for the defence of Aix-la-Chapelle, as if an attack on that city see expected. The Dutch fleet near Antwerp has made a retrograde movement, like the army. The gun boats have gone down the river, so as to be 0 0 longer in view of that city, It is also said, that the four small Belgian trading vessels, taken last week by the Dutch steam-boat on the Scheldt. have been restored. The lifotuteur Belge of this evening gives a k fr they account of the pillages effected by the Dab on their retreat from Louvain. They had 0 111 1 reached Bautersetn on Monday morning. T hi Emancipation, a newspaper a l toge th er in t he French interest, is labouring to raise a party in their favour; but the Belgians, if they could m ake peace with Holland, do not wish to submit to their yoke. CAPTURE OF ST. MICHAEL'S, BY THE TROOPS OF DONNA MARIA IL COPT OF • =TM mom AN 0111Cla TO WI LT. Sr. MICR/1204 Ave. UIII. 4.—Oa Saturday it we left the pert of Aagra, with cc expedition °I V IV •1 P' al C si ti al th am G PI ' an ill CO MI CO tio abl a I tin Vil fro but in . i Pa Imo rob Tel Ilil 1110 Am at he se et a as