Star. — London, England, 1803-07-26 00:00:00

kowitra Aiiiitti6esll4 General TARLITON, adverting to the Bill ptuding before the Houle, refpetting the Bonding and Ware hoisting. Goods, for the accommodation of the Met-- candle interells, obferved, that as it was the notice of the Right Hon. Chancellor of the Exchequer that this Cubic& Mould again be taken into c..nfideration on. Friday night, he had to fay, that the Bill not having yet been printed according to ti.e orders of the Houk, he of courfe had not an opportunity of forwarding a copy thereof, in order for the confidera• lion of his condiments, who were very materially in terefted in its operation, in order to receive their in. itruetions on the &Nee Co loon as Friday. He, there fore, hoped the Right Hon. Gentleman would have tto objeCtion to defer the Committee till Monday. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCH FQI.3 ER cheerfully rquieked, and moved that the order for Friday be difcharged, and the Committee appointed for Monday. Mr. CORRY roll and adverted to Come obfcrvation. , made during his abfence on a former night, refpeeling the extenfion of the Bonding and Warehoufing fyftem to Ireland. He perfeetly agreed, that continently with the principles laid down by his Right Honoura ble Friend, (the Chancellor of the Exchequer) that this, as well as every other principle for the advantage and improvement of commerce, ought to beextended to Ireland in common with this country. He then' explained the reafons which, in his mind, rendered it onneceiTary for him to bring forward a Bill of this nature in refpeEt to Ireland, during the prelent Seffion of Parliament. The CHANCELLOR of the Exen copse's motion, for deferring the Committee till Monday, was agreed to. cosistivrits OF SUPPLY. Lord HAWKabIURY moved the Order of the Day for the Houfe to refolve into a Committee of Supply. Lord LEvtsou Gowan laid, he certainly lhould not oppofe the Motion of the Noble Lord, for going into a Committee of Supply this day. But as notice shad been given that a motion w o uld be this day made for gr:- mg certain compenfatinns or allowances to ' the Pi...ce of Orange. agreeably to his Majefty's Mefage referred to the Committee of Supply, he writhed to be informed of the grounds upon which it was the Noble Lord's intention to move for fuch allowance; whether it was upon the grounds of any deficiency of the compenfation flipulated for him by the uth Article of the Treaty of Amiens, or as an additional compenfation to the terms Ripulated under that Treaty. From what had fallen from a Right Hon. Gentleman fume time before left Chrittmas, an intention teemed to have been then entertained by his Majefty's Minifters, of bringing forward tome zneafure in favour of the Prince of Orange; and he , writhed to know why an intention fo long fince enter tained fhould have been fo long kept back by thole Minifters, and now brought forward at the latter cud of July, when nearly four-fifths of the Members of Parliament were retired to the country, and confe quently could have no opportunity of conlidering the queltion 1 Lord HAWIESSURT obferved, that the obje& for' .. the Houfe refolving into a Committee of Supply at this moment, was not exclufively the conlideration of ,‘ his Majefty's Merage refpetting the Prince of Orange. That however was one of the obj ets; and fo loon as the Houfe fhould refolve into a Committee, he fhould explain his motives on that ground. The Hoofe then refolved into Committee. Lord Hawesssuav rote and faid, that though Ice felt as ftrongly as any man, decided relultance to bringing forward any meafare tending to impofe un necefFary burthens upon the country, and more efpe cially at a cribs Arch as the prefent, yet he trufted that when the Committee fhould have heard his ex planation upon the meafure he had to propofe to. tight. they would not only acquit him of the charge of bringing forward an unjuft ar unneceffary propo- Atkin, but that they would admit the propofal he was about to have the honour of fubrnitting for their con. Adoration. as one which had not only the firongeft claims upon the genernfity, the liberality, and wife policy of this Country, but founded on a principle of that juftice; one which be would not, though he might with propriety raft upon the recommenda tion exprefed in his Majefty's Maage, but which he would explain more at large, to thew the juftice of the claim he was about to urge. The obligations this Country owed to the Houle of Orange, be faid, were greater-than ever were due by any Country to any great family at the head of a National Government. To prove this, he would not only call to the recollec tion of the Houfe, the uniform condo& of the haute of Orange, on all oceafions, to this country, from the moment we owed to an illuftrioui Prince of that /mule the prefervation of our Conflitution and our liberties, to the prefcat moment. Upon every occa fi on the Ready attachment of that il luitrious Houle was tirongly and uniformly marked towards this country, and increafed in proportion to the preponderance it obtained in the Country of its fovereignty I the con , nottion of which with Great Britain, it had uniformly laboured to fortify. Thefe were confiderations which • he was Pure could not fail of having great weight with the Houle. But with retpee to the foreign tranfa(ions on which that Houfe had bees commit ted in common with this Country, and in which it had fitcrificeclits dearell interefts, its power and pot tellions, to Britilh attachment, its claims upon the ge serofity of this Country mull undoubtedly be felt with Rill greater force. He would not lay, merely on a ground of compaffion, however forcible might 11: the appeal to Bntifli generotity on that fcore but .pun much higher claims, th o l e o f j e fli ce an d libe tnlity. it was a falt ton well known to require re -1 tnpitolation now, that the illullrions Prince at the head of the Honk of Orange had, in the firength •If his attachment to Great Britain, loft every tiring which belonged to him, whether as fovereignty, rank, power, or private property, in the late coma. Its the negotiation of the treaty of Amiens, it was flipu hated that tome compenfation &could be made him, in confederation of which be had agreed twfurrender all claims to the fovereignty and other rights in the United Provinces. How far theft eompen(ations sirce adequate to the ffirrendert be contented to snake. was not now to be cor,fidered ; nor was it a matter eafy to calculate. But whatever was the com penfation Ripulated, it had not been fulfilled accord. ing to that Ilipulation ; and the only part of the agree ment which had been performed, was now agent vio lated by the recent aggreffion of i'rance ; and having thus loft every thing for its attachment to Englan d, it became the juft right of the Houle of Orange to claim, and the duty of his Majefty's /ditties(' to pro-, pofe fame plan of ma . peafaioa, by which to alleviate . the diareifes to which that lanai-ions Hodfe had bee* reduced, until event. thould give tonne turn to iti fortunes. His Majelty, impretfed by there confide rations, certainly telt it both his duty and e:irneft de• lire to recommend the titbit& to the confederation of his Parliament, in the hope that conic compenfation would be thought jua for the Houfe of Orange ; ;Ind upon this ground it was, that his bk.jelty fent his Royal Merage to the Honfe. The Hunk mull re colkd, that in the courfe of the war, very eminent fee vices were rendered to this country by the Prince of Orange, and that a very eonfiderable Dutch fleet was furrendered to England In his name. In the fubfequent negotiation with the Batavian Govern ment, for compenfation to the Prince of Orange, it was Itipulated on their part, that if the Dutch fleet, Cm-rendered to England in his name was given back, they would make ample provifion for him. His Ma. j e lly's Minifters, however, could not deem it politic to enter into any flipulation of this fort, butt as it flood in the way of compenfation to the Houle of Orange, for the loffes they had fultained, their claims were the itronger upon the jullice and gencrofity of this country. Confidering therefore all there points, and the p carer and polkflions the faintly were compelled to abandon for their attachments and len ices to this country, he tripled the Hook would feel the force of its cl tim upon the jultice and generolity of the Bi tilt; Nation. The modes which he Ihotild, with the leave of the Committee, propose, wet e s wit —namely, ei - her to vote a given turn a , a complete and final in. demnity in conlideratiun of alt their lodes, or elk a frnall fum promptly, and another by way of annuity. He fhould himfell prefer the latter, as the more eligi ble mode • and theicfnre propofe it firft, namely, a furn of 60,0001. in money, and an annuity of i 6,0001. per annum. By this latter furn he wilhes: it to be under.tood that all the penfions to minor branches of the Family for their Cervices and attachment to this Country, were to he covered ; and he concluded by a motion to that effeet. Mr. CanninG role, not, he (aid, to refill the claims of die illuftrious Honfe alluded to, upon the jutlice and generofity of the Britilh Nation ; for he fully admitted them, but merely to make tome obferva don upon the cnnduft of his lvlajeity's Minifters, as with refpea to the compenfations ftipulated for the Stadtholder by the Treaty of Amiens, and which they negleaed to enforce while they had the means in their hands: and to all[, why thofe Minifters had fo long held back this prnpofition, which, as had been truly °blared by his Noble Friend (Lord L. Gower), a Right Honourable Gentleman had intimated his in tendon to bring forward fo long ago as laft Decem ber, but which they never again mentioned until this advanced period, when the Houfe was almolt defer ted on the eve of a protogation. Their conduit on this occafion be thought rather whimfical. Looking to the Treaty of Amiens, he there found a ftipulation for ample indemnities to the Stadtholder fully agreed to by the Contra Ling Parties: but no bower was it fettled on the part of this country with France and Holland, that the Stadtholder ibould be fully indem nified, a new agreement is made between Holland and France, that the former (ball not be called on for any part of the compenfation; and thus the Batavian Go vernment (hilts the burthen off its own moulders, and throws it upon France, who totally refufes to comply. A manoeuvre fo barefaced and fraudulent, was, he be lieved. unparalleled in the hiftory of civilized na tions: but he defired to know, why his Majefty's Minifters did not infift on the ftipulation being fully performed before they had furrendered the means in their own hands—namely, the Cape of Good Hope, not then given up, and the Wands belonging to France ; fince France was to be looked to for the performance of the ftipulation. Such a conduit on the part of France and Holland was adding intuit to injury: and though, had his Majefty's Minifters been capable of felling the fleet of the Country , to procure an alternative of compenfation for the Stad. tholder, they would have deferred to be branded with the fouleft criminality, yet he could not acquit them of the groffeft negligence, and moll reprehenfible oinilfion, in not enforcing compenfation in the &II inftance, by the means in their poffefflon, agreeably to the objets of the Treaty of Amiens, which was eqeally binding on both, and by which Minillers would have been jollified in making that compenfa. Lion to the Houfe of Orange, which the Batavian and French Governments chofe to elude or refute. The opportunity, however, was now loll; we are again at war with the Batavian Governments and there re• mained at prefent no other mode of Petting matters to rights than by an effort of national generofity to relieve the embarraffments in which that Marion* family had been involved; but he could never ercute Minilters for not having feeured indemnity from the means in their hands. How much more grateful would inch indemnity have been to the feelings of that illuftrious Houle, rather than being reduced to the neceifity ci depending on the eleemofynary Ri pen(' of parliamentary getterofity ; which though it refleiled honour upon his Majefty, with whom the idea originated, as well as upon the nation which conferred it, yet it could not fail of making unpleafant ittapreffions upon the feelings of the illations Prince whole embarraffmentsfortmi him to accept it, though he had 'every claim that national juftice and liberality could faniti,m. Lord HAwitessurt explained, and raid, that the Prince of Orange did pofitively, by treaty, renounce the provitions which were formerly made by this country, and had thereby thrown himfelf upon our jutlice and gtnerofity. He thought, therefore, that the Houle was bound to confider fame effeltoal means of bringing forward a plan of provifion for that luftrinus Hoofe. Mr. Caesium explained. Sir F. Bolivar'. Paid, that ►e thought the propelled provifion was one of the molt extraordinary malt:rest under the prelent circamftances of the country, that ever was fubmitted to the confideration of the Houle; and in his opinion the Noble Lord had Paid but little in fupport of it. He however did not wonder much, that the Noble Lord had felt confiderable difficulty in propofing a claim upon the people of England in filch times, and for fuch a purpofe. The Noble Lord had relied that claim of the Prince of Orange upon the jullice and generality of the Country. As for juarce. wherever it could be eftablitlied, it was a mat ter abfolntely necetlary to be attended to by all Na• tions and people; and lb for generofity, it was, in his opinion, a moll excellent quality ; but he thought it would not ►e amifs, on t h e prohnt wake, fox b - Milers to atteod A little tithe lace which they dived the people of this country, in preference to littening to imaginary claims atiiingftom other quarters He thought, that li, far from the Houle of Orange liavino claimsagainft this comitry,Parliament and the people of England might have claims ag iinit it, having been called in as auxiliaries only in order to sail the Dutch; for the Prince of Orange was the original cattle of involving this country in the late war. In that point of view, as an advocate for the people of England, he fhould declare Modell hoftile to any claim of the nature of that which was now propofed. The Prince of Orange muff have either focrificcd the interelt of his country, or he could have no claim upon this. We were jufi now entered into a war, the real objeas of which have become jiff as indefinite as thole of the lilt one, and no man could to I how unable we might be to refill our enemies, or how this country was to he defended; and we we, e even at this time confideting how this capital was to be dc fended againit a liege, and he would appeal to arty man, if, when we were involved in fuels a flotation. that filch an unfounded and unju ft claim AS this ought to be litlened to ! It was not long Agri lince the Houle were engaged in &Culling a claim brought from a difLient quarter. he me4nt the claim of his Royal Highnefs the Prince of Wales. That claim was, at the time it was brought forward, thought by many to be proper and juft, and fuch a one as was connected with the public welfate ; though he mull confels that he himfelf did not think fo. It was, how. ever, voluntarily given up by the Ponce of Wales himfelf, and abandoned by all who fupported it, on account of the advantages which would refult to the country, when in a Rate of war, by its being quaffs:O. He could not imagine it poffible that Parliament, at ter having abandoned the claim of a Prince of this country, could entertain for a moment fuch a one as the prefcnt. He was affonifhed how any man could have thought of it, when the people of the country were called upon to contribute towards the prefent war, on very flrong grounds of neceffity, which create very great uneafinrfs and difficulty to every individual in the realm. Once encourage Inch claims, and he did not know v.hat might be the end of them. Wasit with a view to try the extent of the generofity of which the people of England were peeled ? For any thing he knew, we might perhaps be called on by and by to indemnify the Elector of Hanover. In (hurt, he thought it was impofUble for him nr any man to tell whom we might be called on to indem nify. Under circumftances like the prefent, when the good will of the people was fo neceltiry to be fecured, he might fay that fuch a conduit difplayed a waist of common prudence or decency to the coun try. He confidered that Miniftets did not Teem to have done every thing with an intent to thew to the country their economy of the public finances, which they were every day encreafing, by making addi tional exaaions upon the people. They had done away or expunged no finecures from the Ha of Pen fioners, and until he could read the Penfion Lift, without feeling difpleafure or &I - guff, he could never imagine that any fymptoms of economy were dif played by Government. He withed only to fee in that Lift the names of thofe individuals who had performed meritorious Cervices to the State, under which conditions it is to be prefumeid that all peafions were created. So far from this being the eafe,however, be law Government overlooking meritorious Cervices, while they were appealing to the generofity of the country at a time when the people were exhaufted with the taxes which were laid upon them, and when all that induftry and ingenuity can produce feem not adequate to fatisfy the numerous demands of Go vernment. When we fee filch loans of money, and fometimes even two Budgets brought forward in one year, with rules of taxes and contributions, be timid, nyder fuch circumftancee, conceive that he was be traying the intereffs of his Coliflitaents, were he to confent to give away any money out of the pockets of the public towards fuch an indemnification. He fhould wills to know what indemnity the Prince of Orange had already had, for he imagined that no I claim could attach to the Ibips which were taken in IHolland. He concluded by making this fingular obfervation ; that unlefs he could bring himfelf to I be of opinion that bran was the belt fubflittne which people of Engld could make ufe of for corn and a workhoufe the &telt place for people to re , fide in, (which he alledged the Minifter had once Paid,) he could never think of agreeing to fuch a do nation. The Comics Loa of the Emilio's. exprefed his aftonithment at hearing the Hon. Baronet make fuch an allegation. Whether or not he had ever made loch I an obfervation as that imputed to him, he only need I l appeal to the Members of that Houle. He esprefed his alloniffiment that the claims of the Prince of Orange Ihould be &followed by any perfon whatever. Surprifed he was to find that an unfortunate family, who were the viilims of the gigantic military and un jolt power of France, did not draw from the Hon. Gentleman fume fentiments of pity, of generofity, or even of jnftice, feeling as he mull, and knowing as he mutt know, that to that illufirious Houle this Country was indebted for a confiderable (hare of the liberties which it now enjoys. He miffed there could not be another individual in the Haute who was not inclined more jeftly to reflex upon the lamentable vicillitudes of fortune. In fplte of the machinations of the French, we had preferred, unimpaired, all the bleffings originating from King William 111. greatly by means of the affiftance derived from our faithful Ally. He fhould have thought that the deplorable flotation of the family in queftion would have excited the compaffion, would have awakened the jolt and generous feelings of every perfint within this Houfe. It was. no doubt, a melancholy circumfiance, that the Houfe was under the necrGity of voting the fun of ho,OOOL towards the wants and neeeffities of the Prince of Orange, at a time like the prefent, when our own exigencies were fo great ; but the propriety and even the ;office of the claim he hoped would be liftened to by the Houfe. The money which we had received, and the liberties which we were in poifeffion of by means of that illuftrions family, were confide rations whlch.he trufted,would have their due weight. The Hon. Member had Rated, that no argument bad been brought forward in fupport of the claim. He thought his Noble Friend Paid fufficient, when in his appeal to the Houk be Rated the arrangement which was to take place, providing this:country furrendered the flips which were taken to Holland. After thde (hips had been fo retained, they were to operate as a claim of sso,oooi. which was to be advanced by this Stk PIN matey. The occupation of Holland by the Pend , however, loon prevented any inthtnini6:ation being made at that time, by a fence of honour and other confiderations ; but we Ihould at lead fee. that the ince of Orange thot.ld not be a !Offerer by flitch a condo& His Noble Ft iend made an appeal to the generofity of the people this country, and (Wed that we had flood in the way of an arrangement, which %mild have opeued to the advantage of the Nohl: Perfanage whore cafe we were coaidering. ?Ir. Wit. Sell ru oppofed arc claim, •not from any want of gen.:, tis feeling fin the tato mete Prince, but upon the footing of IN heiiig Rated to be a claim ofjullice, in rapport of which could fee no ground which could wi:h any propriety be alledged. He wilhed at any rate to delay the limber conlideration of it till next Scßion of Parliament, on account of the prcfent fituation of the affairs of our own count r y. Lord Haw oct,avar °Nerved, that with .e and to this meal - ore bans dirculTed at a late lesion, be ap prehended the objeafon would not be cnnGdered of much force, while it was nnt confidered too late to difctifs the Defence and the Property Bilk ; and as to the elicet of delay. he was anted, that the granting of this rum at this time to the Prince of Orange. would he confidered of more value by his Seiehe Highnefs, than a much larger film at a future period. Mr. W. S'im Paid a few words in explanation. After which the refolution was put, " That it k the opinion of this Committee, that his Majeity be LOA. bled to grant to his Serene Highnefs a fun nut ceeding 60,0001. and alto an yearly fun not ..a t• 6,000 l." Mr. W. Starr,' propofed, that this refo! ii!:n.. be pollponed until this day three m,liths, vas negatived. The queition on the original refolution was then put and carried. The CI4ANC ILLOR of the EXCH EQ,y ER then 1 , -0: -, •ft.1 that a lure nor exceeding two millions be as a vote of credit. Mr. JOHNSTONE did not rife to oppofe the inoticn, but adverted to a former list ement of the Chancellor of the Exchequer, that the expences of the war v . ” u ld not exceed 26,000,0001. annually. Mr. Johnflone en tered into a variety of calculations, t- 'thew that the expences of the war would be much higher. and that the loan for the next year would he 25,000,t,001. in- Read of 6,000,0001. as the Charteellor of the Exche quer had predifted. The CHANCELLOR of the Excused/Pa denied that he had pofitively afferted that the expenee of the war next year would not exceed 26,000,0001. It was ins poffible to hate with precifion what the expences of the war would be, becaufe it would be impoffible to forefee what were the exertions that it might be ne celfary for the country to make. Mr. JOHNSTONE explained, after which the motion was agreed to. COMMITTIS OF WAYS ♦MID NISANS. The Cm &MCP ta.oa of the Ex cn sus R proceeded to make his fereral ftatements to the Committee. Eltimate of the Surplus of the Confolidated Fund to sth of January. 1804 ; Total - fain repaid to he voted — to thesth of Jan arm. £6,600,000 Received on Jan. S. tilo3, after centplettne the Grant for tbc Scratee of silos . 399,329 Received co April s. 1813 - • 1h.17,331 011 15, 180 3. (Deal') I,ll6rxet Ratan kr asks red 3,877 39 beside For two Quarters ts Jaw 5, Vbs. see- Our (applied doablethe ply Quarter do& (adciLng aos,ccol. Ibr the =pedal Praises of Vatic% 1803) • 1 7145 0 06 Dedudt Cbargees Odt. to. tto3, fop paled equal to April 3, 1803, after - Qt 191.5erai. pail is that for the yearly DM deed t So% to there larbobad sot coewieted tick Payntwits be fore •be 7th of Odtober, doe sjiojoo Ditto, Os Jan. Coppola (quail:h i t sio3,wkb theeddidow of for tie ebarge et a new lose 7.33t000 Tapered aleph" in 2, i'arters, maw sat Jan. 1104 . . 4.13 Daiwa tie Sum remaining to be node good 077,339 tilloottd Surplus beyood Na popoit&Otist j 14461 N. 1L soli Articles ot emote/km Receipt Is tie Qlnteff wan sek July, treys arrows r ah Doty mil Imam Doti. tottosatitig ardor sot Joli. The Produce of permanent Taxes, :a the Quarter ending the sth Joly, compared with their !react ia the two fucceeding . Q2arters for the four left Years. omitting the duties =pored on each year rdpedlively, as appears by the following Table : 1 71* (Loaner 024 c 4 Sib his. /ASA* 1 •0770 0 4 soth October. 4065,403 pi January. 1 3 / 4 /. 4.390.307 1 3494047 6 . 41 7•343 3. 6 930 1 11 11 ,39 1 . 4 3 3 rah DEtsber, 303 4 493 sth jassart , , Ask, sibyl 11040464 ass sOlll 100. Pb Jul/ • 1 1 430 00 Nth oa. sy sda jus. ass. 'maps* 'My= Ith • MPS.* p‘ziksos tali ed. saii sd jos An 144234 lank le 3 Year' Deana Pleimides 17 0 0 0 0 3.73%.14 117DPIO •447.14 Ammo berate The following Rehietieste were serted sad agreed to-- •I. Tim tweeds t tbe bind odibikedd 111 th. Committee et *web tea am at e=s ir sot et lie Caddied Peed, tad be NOM • 1. 71st Wiwi peewee sammand by tbe book tbe at two maim be db 'did by tilieriger Nib. to be mob wed me yew s. Ttee - k dial die fillli se popaillhods is the Onviss of tbs Past" The Houk reamed. sod the rapt was oedema to be received beamorrowo—Aapsnied. /I