Star. — London, England, 1821-03-31 00:00:00

PARLIAMENTARY PROCEEDINGS. HOUSE OF LORDS, MARCH SO. iipme Eari.o4,hIOI,INT.EDOROVNIIS PreFellted Pe titkil front seviril Land Crediplara ia . tornwalt, praying relief trim. Apieultural Distress. But DlCHltpleaosentahatior Pedtloos fropt tbs Cosstist of Dotoet. Ham. Olaticaster,ind • • the !gbh Mc, BROOM brought upfrom tiegonunens - Whi Prins Clerks' Regulation DM, and ions PriVAte whirl were read a lest time. The Ili t traiheraft liepear Bill VMS sada mond tines. The -et YORK presented.a Paidore Mon the Arehdeadroptaf • ca l !plow ihe Roston Cathode Mass. — Laid anillwaiik. .Lonl CALTHORPE presented a getition from the Magis trates, Ck`rgy;' tine Ould-oinsers in the neighboalsood of Wind sor Forsiti praybs for a Bahl= of the Csiminil Code.— He premosed a Winner Paid= from the neighbourhood of Uabeidge. IWO IIfEf I VILLE presented a Petition from the County of kverness against the'Malt Duties.—Ordered to lie on the table. The Bistrop of LLANDAFF presented.* Petition from the Clergy of the Arehdeacoury of Hereford, against the Raman Catbolic.ClattisserLaid on the table. Bill was rod a third The Irish Atter:au' Fees Regulation . . dine and passed. • The Beer Duties lilli teas tad -a second time and ordered to be committed.—AdjialleiL • • • HOUSE OF COPIMONS. • Dr. DODSON presented a. Petition from the Port. of Rye, and Mr. IL Witasaparepresented a Petition from the Town of Rye, both against the cderindssioners of Sewers Bill. The Petitions were ordered to be printed . The: second reading of the BM was postponed tollitsdaY se night. ('tyre motion of Si, NIK. UT= the:Grampouad Wit nesses Indemnity BiU was reutasecood time, and ordered to be eefinnittea . csillonday next. '' Thl , Innkeepers' Bill was'read a third tine and passed. Sir JOHN NEWPORT pawned a Perittfin from Michael lacy, one of the prAncipai Clerks in the Court of King's. Bench in Ireland, stating, drat half the business of the Court was tails acted in his Other find the chief part thereof conducted by himself; that he ha been 'occupied in tie same for 'the' ast twentrele years . - that the remuneration for the duties of the 011 lee had been ealeolated by the Commissioners of Inquiry at .0000, ppoo the average ofthelatt three years, divided between himself and his father; that the aid remuneration resulted frosts' fees paid by the Attornies out of iheir profits; that the pending Bill for the abolition of Fees in the Courts of Justice in Ireland omitted all compensation to the Petitioner, and that therefore he prayed the House *Mild direct an adeqoa:te cionspeneadon.tO he made to him for the less of his oike.—The Petition was bed oh the table. • • . Sir JOHN NEWPORT presented a similar Petition from William Stewart, one of the Clerks in the same• Establishment. ordered to be printed. ' Mr. ELLIS presented a Petition from Joseph %reek one of • Übe Clerks hubs Court of Exchequer, praying compensation.l - J. NEWPORT, bore testimony to the creditable manner wbieli the Petitioner had always performed the dutlei-of kis office. - • /tie Risk Trial for Treason Bill went through a CoMmlttee. Moe- Report was brought up and agried to, sad the Bill was ordered to be read a third time on the eh of April Mr. 'C. GRANT brought up the Report of . the Committee en the Irish Courts of Justice Cmpebsatioas,.which was agreed to; and it iwas.ordered , that Instructions should be given to the Committee em the Irish Courts of Justice Bill to make moist= for the same out of the Consolidated Fund. Mn BLACKBURNE presented a Petition from the PreelA dent, Vke‘President, and other Directors of the Chamber-of Corr.tneree a t Manchester, against any change in the mode of sinking th e Corn Averages, which, after .a few words horn Mr. Pilirmh and Lord STANLEY was le3d. : Mr. .P. - ROBINSON stat i ed-his opinion, that the effect of the Sol vrhich be had brought in would not be attended with the effect which the Petitioners against it apprehended—(Hear, hear). He understood that some complaints were made yesterday, that be was not present when some discussion on a Petition similar to this took place. In answer to those complaints be had to state, that •he had understood that the Petition he referred to would not be presented m soon ; and considering the early hour at which it was brought before the House, ite thought some allowance might have been•made for the absence of Members who bad official duties to-perform. Indeed, be could not but look upon those complaints as most unreasonable and unjust. After a few words from Mr. Wasse and Mr. Amur% the Petition was ordered to be rinted. On the motion of Mr. F. , the second reading of the Corp Average Bill was postponed to Monday, April P. The Report of the Committee on . the Timber Duties Acts was brought tip. • Sir IL W. RIDLEY said he should feel It his duty to op. pose these Resolotions at a future stage. • • The Report was then ordered so bedles Imo 'briber coed &ration onAVednesday next. sad to primed. Lord CASTLEREAGH laid on the table a vohnefoose quantity of Papers, being the correspondence of the British Mi. nister at Naples with the Duke de Gallo. e re. GOULBURN laid on the table Papers comaining the Corespondence en the subject .of the Colonies paying the En. penses of their Military Defence. Lord PALMERSTON laid on the table Papers telatlng to the Army Estimates. • Mr. LEN NARD said he held in his hand a motion which ' he should now move or postpone, if it was thought necessary, so Monday nept, inul the object of it was to bring before the House a Return of the number of applications-for admission to the Reading-room of the British hlusenm, which were poet. posed or got rid of. The House were not aware, perhaps. that an applicant; according to the Rules of the Rftaittroom, must have the reeornmendasion et a Trustee, or an Officer of the House, in order to get access to the Libr • and in conse quence, many very respectable persons, net ' having the ad vantage of obtaining access to any of the Trustees, gave up altogether the attempt to get admission. To such persons this rule was a virtual denial, and he knew it to be se in see.. !al instances. • At the suggestion of Mr. C. Lope, the Hon. Member postponed his motion to Monday. • CAPITAL CHIMES. Mr. MARTIN moved the second reading of the Capital Crimes' Defence Bill. He went into some arguments in support of. the Bill. The .Hottourable Member cited several instances that had come under his own cognizance, of Judges not only not acting Counsel fen prisonFrs, but of their acting as Coun sel against there. To shew that the Court were not Counsel for a prisOner; hewould instance the case of Bellingham. The charge against that individual was, that of committing one of the most atrocious mur ders ever heard Of.• The offence was committed on the 12th of May, 1812. On the 14th, a Bill of In dictment was found against -Bellingham, and on the Vsth he was put upon his trial. He applied to the Court, by Affidavit, to put off his trial, on the ground that he had witnesses resident at Liverpool, who could give material evidence in his favour.. The evidence le Mir. Martin) believed, was to thew the prisoner's insaqity.. This motion the Court refused ; although the Affidavit stated, he believed ) every circumstance r ally stated in A ffi davits o f nature. In this i4si 6 therefore, he conceived there had bten a failure pf justice. He ,(Mr. Martin) would mention another ciao. A countryman of his was charged ;with a bur glary. The fact was, that the prisoner, upon a cry of eilltop thief rtioined a watchman in penult of the per • 'Fon who had actually committed the robbery, and tailing to overtake him, returhed with the watchman. upon this a woman put her head ant of a window, and 'sat& "I charge M 4 there Irishman with the rob b ery ; no • 1)0i0Lsso t o hternust know which. way the robbers ran." The man was sent to Croxdou to trial, and he (Mr. Martin) went down to comfort bins there.— The first witness was a duarmy, who timid not arti culate any sound whatever bordering on the pronun ciation of an F 4 nglish word. lite Court, after look . . ii at tbetfellasn. sod seeing what he was, mid. ?Ibis man mist be4giersPhyrim intalorete?r—(Load lartghter)ri-i" I. said to tile lidge," 'emulated Mr. Mastitis 4, that the best interpreteetire could send for wasVsimaldir The Judge answered—. , Down, Sir, oil. sad Grimaldit--ave have our own interpreters' here r-4 Renewed lasterkr).—Tho Judge then said, P l 4 We must ask this man, before we swear him about his scoter religion, to see if he understands the nature of an alp; An interpreter was got, and theiudge said • 1 Ask hint Übe Mows what isthe essence of Goer' "I remarked (said Mr. Martin), that, with all due 'deferenee to his Lordship, that question might bel rather too abstruse for the understanding of the wits, nem." The Hon. Member then described the manner in which die further questions were put to the wit ness, respecting his belief in Goo, and in the cons,. quences of telling a lie, and the answessgiven through. the interpreter, which were, that the witness could swear by'GOD, that he wan , in a great passion; and wanted to know if the Judge had any plum-pudding 'in his pocket !—(A laugh).—Notwithstanding the teas becility of this witness, the Judge put the case to the Jury, although it was impossible he could have done so if the prisoner's Counsel could have addressed the Court in his behalf: the man was, however, acquitted. He only mentioned this circumstance to illustrate his position, that a Judge was not of Counsel for a pri 'toner. He concluded by moving the second reading of his Bill, for allowing the benefit of Counsel .sia make speeches for prisoners charged with capital fklonies—(Hear). The SOLICITOR-GENERAL said, he should op. pskthe motion. His experience in Courts of In-' tic o itinformeil him, that die Bill, if passed into a law, Would operate gready to' the prejudice of prisoners . He would assert, that Judge, were, in all criminal cases, COunsel for the prisoner substantially, zea lously, and even astutely —( Hear , hear). —He was satisfied that, in nine cases but of ten, the prisoner would be benefitted by having the Judge for his Counsel ; and if in a case where the evidence was, very, strong against the prisoner, would , it not be better for him to have the Judge as his Counsel? since;:k he was represented by Counsel; the latter must have recourse to sophisms and evasions, which the Judge would feel it his duty to unmask, and thus effectually become Counsel against the prisoner.— He objected to'the second reading of the Bill. Sir JAMES MACKINTOSH said, he could not conceal his surprize at the course of argument em ployed by his Learned Friend. According to him, Counsel were injurious to prisoners, and yet he looked upon the assignment of Counsel to persons accused of High Treason, as a privilege of the highest conse quence. - In short, the effect of his Honourable and Learned Friend's argument was, that more guilty persons would be convicted, and more innocent ac quitted in consequence of the passing of this Bill— the very result intended. Sir 'J. YORKE feared he should incur the charge of presumption in addressing the House upon this subject after the two Learned Gentlemen ; but they bath seemed to forget that which was most material in this-country—namely, time. Suppose Counsellor Bore em, and Counsellor Bother'ens after him, to be, employed ' in a ease—they would occupy in their ad dresses two hours aviece at least ! This being the case, and it further appearing, from the statement of one of the Hon. Gentlemen opposite, that the num. ber of criminal cases in a year amounted on the ave rage to three thousand, the consequence would be, that 12,000 hours would be wholly consumed in each year by the speeches of the two Learned Gentlemen! Mr. MARTIN . replied. He founded the measure on tbe authority. f Mr.Jastice Blackstone. With re spect to the case of Bellingham, he would ask the Honourable and Learned Gentlemen (the Attorney Cperneral and Solicitor General) whether, after reading the report of that ease, they would,act as the Judge acted on that trial ? µ Here it is 1" said bin Marten, throwing down a copy of the trial on the table— (Cries of " Order, order; and laughter). All he (Mr. Martin) contended for was to bring about a unifor t I pity in the law. The law of Scotland and the law of England varied in this point—that in tfie one country the prisoner was allowed the full benefit of CounseYs'exertidni—in the other he was not. The ATTORNEY-OF.NERAL expressed his per fect cowviction that the Learned Judge who presided on the trial of Bellingham, acted according to the evidence and the principles of law. The Gallery was about to be cleared for a division, but the motion was negatived without a division.. COMMITTEE OP SUPPLY—ARMY ESTIMATES. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER moved the Order of the Day for the House to resolve itself into . a Committeessf Supply. Mr: fIUME said that, before the motion was put, he would wish to offer to the House a series of Re solutions, in order to be considered by them. The items, he begged to observe, were copied from orb. cial documents before the ouse. The Honourable Member then moved a series of Resolutions ' which were in substance as follows :—That the total charge of Staff Officers (Civil) for Great Britain and the Co lonies, exclusive of Ireland, was, in 1792, 1:88,794 ; in 1821, £117,710, being an increase of £83,916. That the charge of Public Departments, belonging to the Military Establishment for Great Britain and the Colonies, exclusive of Iseland, amounted, in 1792, to £45,958; and, in. 1821, including fees, to 083,177, being an increase of £87,324. The Resolutions were negatived without a division. The Order of the Day was then read, and on the motion that the SPEAKER do leave the Chair, Mr. HUME said, he had another Resolution to propose, upon which he would take the sense of the House. It was a Resolution by which the House would pledge itself merely to take the subject of the increase of public salaries since 1797 into as consi deration, with a view to reduce them. He then moved a Resolution, lit substance as follows t—a , That the progressive increase of Salaries in the different Public Ikpartments, took place in consequence of the great increase of business in time'of war, and the depreciation of the currency ; and that as peace has been established, andAlte currency brought to a me tallic standard, it is expedient that considerable re ductions should be made by a proper revision of all Bidaries increased since the' year 1797, by . adjusting them to the present value of currpncy." ' • Lord I'ALMERSTON said; that this being age= neral sweeping Resolution, bad no relation whatever to the motion before the House. If the Resolution was proper to be entertained by the House, certainly this' was not the oßportnnity, and die Honourable' Member ought to giveuutite of it foi a future dap? As to the statement that we had returned to a ale.; tallic currency, he was ignorint of any such fact. 'He knew, indeed, that preparations were making rot' carrying into effect such a scheme. Mr. BARING w it ( surprised to hear that this waf not a proper opportunity for the Resolution of his Honourable Friend, to whom the country, he had no doubt, felt itself so much indebted, . The Noble Lord said; that he was not aware that we had re. turned to a metallic currency. The objection seemed to him a little too fastidious, since, in about thirty days time, it would be io the power of any man to call at the Bank and supply himself with gold in ex change for Bank-notes, at the rate of £3 I7s. 100. per ounce. The House should particularly observe, ' that this Resolution did not bind them to make'any reduction ; it only pledged them to take the matter into consideration ; and be was sure, that in common consistency, those who voted for taking away some of the taxes, ought to agree to this Resolution. . The CH A NC ELLO R of the EXCHEQUER would ; remind the Hbuse of the total inapplicability of this Resolution to the subject to be brought before the Committee of Supply. There were a series of op portunities for discussing the items of the expenditure' of this department to the utmost minutia:' of detail, of which the Hon. Member might avail himself. Mr. BENNETr said, that the Resolution only pledged the House to an inquiry, and by thus pledg log itself it would do no more than was recom mended to them by the Reports of several Finanie Committees. The recommendations of those Com mittees were all neglected by the Government, and his Honourable Friend, seeing them so careless, now called upon the House to interpose. Lord PALMERSTON would mabe one observa tion. The Honourable Member said. that the Go .Vernment were idle and careless in the reduction of expenditure. Now, did the Honourable Member forget that a saving of £84,000 a-year was made by reductions in the Military Department since the war ? Mr. BENNETT said, that nothing could be 'more wild than to hold forth the disbanding of soldiers at the termination of the war, as an instance of a Is position to retrench. Mr. THOMAS WILSON would not vote for the Resolution of the Honourable Member, because the matter of it was not brought fairly before the House: Sir M. W. RIDLEY thought that the' Members who voted for the reduction of the Malt Tex, were bound, as honest men, to agree to this Resolutiod.. Mr. GIPPS would have no objection to the mo tion, if he knew what immediate use was intended to be made of it. Mr. HUME said, that the use he intended to make of it was, to lay before the Houle, if they agreed to his Resolution, several items of increase of salaries, the mere statement of which would ren der all observation unnecesary. . He would, for in stance' shew that the Depot? Secretary at War, who had asalary of £89.0 yearly in 1797, now enjoyed I salary of 0,560 per annum ; and that the Head Clerk, who had a salary of £7OO a-year in 1797, had a salary of £1,400 at the present time. Colonel TRENCH was prepared to shew, by an, arithmetical calculation ; that the expense of the pre- ' sent Military Establishment was net rated higher in proportion to the number of him, than the same bad leen in 1792. If it was true that in that year, 47,474 men cost £8,494,000., then surely 81,000 men i might to cost now £5,896,000. But the gross sum+ sought was £8,600,000, which was very little over what it would be * even by the nicest calculations, eo the rule of 1792. _ The House then divided, there appears g..- Fir going into the Committee 4. SO Against k - 2.--21 The House having gone into the Committee, th* first question was upon a vote of £105,944 Ss. 10d4 for the Staff Establishments• of Great Britain, and all other foreign parts, except India, for the year. Mr. HUME said, that in the various brandies this Department the greatest savings might be made. The first item to which 'weaned the attention of the House, was the immense pay of the Commander-in- Chief. His Royal Highness the Duke of. York re ceived £l6 Bs. a-day, a salary by much too large in the present embarrassed state of the country. He (Mr. Hume) doubted much whether this office was at all necessary at the present day. The pay of Royal Highness ought to be considerably reduced. Before the war, the Commander-in-Chief had but nine guineas a day ; he would have this office reduce.cl •to that standard. Ile did not mean to undervalue she services of his Royal Highness, but in theseventh .year of peice, it was but reasonable that the war establishment should undergo some modification. It 'was in the Stair that this reduction could be made • the greatest prupriety. To begin with the head, then, he proposed that the pay of the Commander. in-Chief should be lowered to nine guineas a day, or about £2,000 alear. The next reduction would be in the office of an individual who was not known at all before the last war, and who now had the enor mous salary of 0,000 a-year—he meant the Secre tary to the Commander-in-Chief, whose office was a mere sinecure— Lord PALMERSTON--Ile has a great deal to do. Mr. HUME—Thea the Noble Lord 'must have but very little—(A laegh).--rn 1792 the business of the Army was done at the War-Office, with the as sistente or a Csimniandingg Officer. The Noble Lord's Establishment cost but £B,OOO or £10,000; he hai but fourteen or fifteen clerks in his once; now he has sixty or seventy, and the Establishment costs £60,0013--(Hear),--The QuatterMager General had no office then, though he and his Staff were effec tive; but now that be had little to do his-Establish ment cost £5,000 a-year. He would reduce the pay Of the Secretary to she Commander-in-Chief to £l,OOO, which, with his military pay, ',Voila be a sufficient . remuneration to him for the chides which he had' to perform. His next objection was. to the Chaplains' Establishment.* In sto •department was the plurality of effices more cOnspiciimiethan in that plurality which every Committee condemned. A Dr. Dacreiras at once -Chaplain-Assist* to the Chaplain-GOrat, Chaplain to the Commander-in 'chief, and Chaplain to the Forces. Now' the duties of these three ofAces happenkns al) on Sundays, it was as impossible that one individual could discharge them, as that the same person contd . be in .. three places at the same time. He would also strike off one Assistant-AdjutaakGcucral--Captain Barclay, r who bad a salary of £l6O far filling this-office, v , Itho Secretary to the Military College: It was i tn , possible he could discharge the dirties of those two offices. He would also reduce one Deputy-Assist ant-Adjutant-General. lie would do the same by the . De uty- Quartermaster -General, 'who se eft., • ass £l5;1190, - alum lonsidered very ex. travagant by military men who bad been consulted on i t . Irtlefisarlidiopels Britainought to be seduc e d oae ., third, at least, of its present expense.. He was aware • that, Within . the last year, four Major-Generals, four Aides-de-Camp, and four Majors of Brie, had been reduced ; but be thought his Majesty s Gov ern . meat oughfto carry the reduction much further. He objected to five permanent District-Assistants to the Quarter-Master General as quite unnecessary. These were Officers which grew up since 1792, and he would abolish them altogether. It was wantonness to have two Inspectors of Army Clothing, with an expense of 1:699 yearly. One would be quite enough, for all the tininess was done in London, and, if nece s ;. sary, he could have the assistance of a Committee of the, Officers to inspect the clothing of their regiments. He would dispense entirely with the C.baplain-Gene ral. It Was a new and unnecessary office, and the salary of the Chaplain-General had been unaccoinit. ably raised within some years. When the office was created the' pay was only 5.36.5; it was then raised . £lOO - More ; then . £150; and now- it is so high as £BOO e-year. Surely if...£16.5 was sufficient for this office when the amount of troops was treble what it now is, there was no pretence for raising it since?... There were also four Chaplains _to the Force s , b ut what - th ey did,. or where tkeflived,, he was' un a bl e to determine. When, ever": -regiment had its own Chaplain, who -was paid for doing the Clerical func tions, be saw no necessityfer these supemOok aary gentlemen: • With regard to the . Staff of. Nord; Bri tain, it was not large ; but. he could not say exactly hOw - nitich it exceeded' the-same in 1792. seg. gene(' striking off,_ 'the. ,itaggage-Master irt Scotland, for where there WaS4lO marching there was no occa sion for an officer - of that description. The principal alteratiousv'thi4fdre, 'which he meant to propo# o Were. in the Meg ;departnient, beginning withtbe head c& it.. He might be.told that these offices were necessary,. bur he - reel:fed - tire' Henze to the reeom inendations of the COmMitiee, lying-on their table. whiCh iitopdaed that they Should 'be reduced. Hu ,would nett call the 'attention . of 'the Noblelord to the great disproportion • which existed in die Staff' expenses.siElthis country and of Ireland. The Staff of that countryity the present estimate, cost 20;000/. whereas; hr 1792,.the same cost bur a few thousands.. He obseried there was; list of seven Adjutant-bon. rals,tritcl eight Quarter Masters and Deputy-Woo; Masters. Now one Deputy Quarter-Mastet Weald be sufficient to do all the business; and he though the whole might be reduced at least one half. He. next came era the Medical Staff in Ireland. This esta blishment-was Of a larger eitent than even that in England; ilia was of a peculiar nature. The Atilt' of this MedicA Staff was created in 1796, and was from the beginnidg ititended only for temporary put. poses. Of the Officeri who composed it not a man had been abroad, or seen any service. Surclj if such places were.to be kept open, they ought to be give!' to those amongst the half-pay who had'alitiths sport their country ? The officer called the Deputy Inspec tor in Irelstod, never removed from D; and, aft fact, drove a good trade there in Ids private practice,. It would lie.nngreat hardship, t her efore, on him, to deprive UM of his sinecure place. He wonldnor mention the particular charges of the Staff in eulli Isisinds but Would only observe, that this depose., in 1792,: cost but 17,0001. which now cost 60,008L' In 1702 the whole charge for thn.Windwanl Leeward Islands was but 5,4421- the same vas noir 99,0001. He asked where was the 'locality. for the Generals and - others on the Staff in these idands, when no- danger* Was to be apprehendell—sthea their was not . a ship at sea from which theicOuldt surprize? As to Malta and the lonian-Ideas, cost of these was 11,7661. two-thirds more than was negenari: But it was said this expense was defraysil the liinianlifands. This - was' a delOsiod; far though she expense was defrayed; in thifiriiiirtared • by the lonian Islands, yet it should not be farts 120,0001. or 180,0001. was voted by Par Millar pot ► to make good the deficiencies its these Bland:. The overnor of , Malta had 5,0001. theagb be never 'peat any of his time there. - .lis the Cared ':Good Hopi, the Mauritius, and.Ceylo,olbellem;_ 'had grown to Such an Immoderate size . .dmiltwi . war, thatthey might be greatly reduced.' ne.Resi Member. concluded by moving, that the int Of X 105,945 ss. 10d, for defraying the expenses of de Staff in Great Britain and abiped : (sclusive of 10 4 land and India) be reduced to .1.:65,000. , • The Cisosa meet; having put tbe•Amendratint hbe the chair,. . . . • . . . . . Lord PALMERSTON said, tha t the quo"' Amin which he was at issue with the Hen. Regibe . rr, *is rather a question of printiple thine ines6DoPl. 'detail ; for unlesi he Coirldihew that _the oiiittilge s upon which the Military Establishinentsof*C a t try was conducted in 1792, were 'applicable to tpr e present times, it was futile to compa re the dettat! the present expenditurnwith those' of 110. 1 " he . (Lord Palmerston) contended, that d* System of 1792, instead Of being a guide to Artfl, their course, was rather a beacon winch they 00 r_, to avoid: It was-extremely unfit, even for the p eat nt which it existed ; still less Was it applicable to.f.! present • state of our Military Establishnlent: Army, in 1792, taking it in the aggregate, aod out - reference of course to the courage and 'of the Officers and.men, was..one of the etrgr l P pointed Armies - in • Europe. Great impr o since that time had taken place in every Pr1_.!..;7 0 Military System ; and 'unless 'we were ptr t y forego all the ildvaotages which wellah Pt those improvements, he kneel net upset what ciple the proposition of the Hon. Member, r" I . a. Iturtiing to the eicious,and ineffectiresySlent leould be defended. The Hon. Gentleman lead t comr plained of the amount of the salary o f the —# !der-in-Chief, but. it Should' be recollected, tow . 'salary was raised to its preseot amiiont,!?/t0 tion assigning that rate of ,pay to Pica : 10 'When employed, So that this *mites aPt emi 0 to the present Coinmander-in-Chie£ The the Militaiy Seireiary . to the Coniln were of the most labonotis nature, and bid': been much increased by the reduction o f (Laughtcr).-llonourable Gendarme: l might A -1 fil