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IN I Cc• • I • • it ip.7 .4 , • -#-.- Itt • • • )K - • • r - c ab 1 1.- I I• ( am. -4t ) 1 8 *).-' fat. .~ -- .~ I SATURDAY, JANUARY 27, 1821. — = . Bc Patlcr. Sr.VEN-I'EN( E. _ PARLIAMENTARY PROCEEDINGS. adverting to the proceedings against the Queen, prayed for such a Reform as would give to the People a full, fres" and fair representation in Parlia ment. - He perfectly agreed in the sentiments of this Petition,, while he was directly opposed to all schemes of visionary and impracticable Reform. That a moderate Reform was called for, no man who con sidered the subject rightly could doubt for a moment, and it was not rendered the less necessary, by a de cision which the House had come to two nights be fore.—The Petition was ordered to be printed. Mr. N. CALVERT presented a Petition in favour of the rights of the Queen from the inhabitants of, Hertford.—Ordered to be printed. Mr. W. WILLIAMS presented a Petition to the same effect from the inhabitants of the Parish of Lambeth. The Honourable Member said, that this Petition had 2,000 signatures. He felt persuaded that nothing could possibly allay the present discon tent, but the restoration of her Majesty's name to the Liturgy. Indeed he had expected that Ministers, after they were obliged to abandon the Bill of Pains and Penalties, would have had the magnanimity to allow the Queen, of their own accord, all those rights and privileges, to which by the Constitution she was entitled. Nothing but the restoration of her Ma jesty's name to the Liturgy, would have the effect of burying in oblivion all recent animosities.—Petition ordered to be printed. Sir R. FERGUSON presented Petitions from the Magistrates of the Boiough of Kinghorn ; the Ma gistrates of the Borough of Culross ; and from the inhabitants of Burntisland, praying that her Majesty ' might be restored to all her rights as Queen Consort; and also that the House would use its influence with the King for the dismissal of his Ministers, who were no longer worthy to direct the affairs of the nation. The Honourable Member commented on the claim to exclusive loyalty which was urged by certain offi cial persons in Scotland. Loyalty, with them, con sisted in a servile acquiescence in the measures of Ministers, however pernicious those measures might be. He heartily joined in the prayer of the PetiH tioners, that the House would. use its influence for the dismissal of men who had long since forfeited the confidence of the nation, though he could not indulge the hole that it would be attended with the desired effect.—The Petitions ordered to be printed. with •ery little success, for it could get only half the number of signatures that appeared to the present Petition, and that too, after a canvass of the vicinity mess of more importance—(Hear, hear).—This was a proceeding in its origin questional-.4, and in its pro gress not less detrimental to the dignity of the Crow n, than repugnant to the feelings of the People—(Hear). Lie would not offer any opinion as to what the ter mination of the motion which was to come en to- ROUSE OF COMMONS, JANUARY 2d. d a y t ke Smartt took the Chair at ball-past three The Gallery was opened at bne, and the impatience - crested very great inconvenience to the Gen oded for the Press. .KER read his :Majesty's Answer to the Address House. of April last, for the Regulation of Election Fed. ty the Clerk. vas presented on the part of Charles Farquhar, the return for the Borough of Tregony. It was taken into consideration on Tuesday, the 10th round to a considerable extent. He had been en- treated by the Petitioners to urge, with all the abi lity of which he was capable, the necessity of a speedy alteration in the system pursued by the Minis ters, both with regard to the interests of the Queen, and those of the People at large. With respect to the great question which was to come under the consi deration of the House that night, he should not, from courtesy to the Noble Lord who was to bring it for ward, say anything . which might appear to have a tendency of anticipating his arguments; but he could not forbear observing, that the Hon. and Learned Member for Guildford (Mr. Serjeant Onslow) had made an erroneous assertion, when he stated on a night ought to be; but he thought that when so much was to be granted, and so little to be denied, it was better to grant all—(Cheers). —That was the course which would be found most gratifying to the People, and would also be found the wisest and 'N expressed his doubts whether the House • power with regard.to Petitions of this nature. a day for taking them into consideration, the to meet on that day, and-not to adjourn o►er, would afford the opportunity of getting rid Petitions. ?Ain ins presented on the part of Mt. Bryant,.renew• • against the return for the Borough of Aldbo . be taken into consideration on Tuesday, the justest policy—(Cheers).—Ordered to be printed. Mr. HONYWOOD presented a similar Petition from Margate. He could assure the House that the respectable Petitioners, in exercising their constitu tional, rights on this occasion, did not think for one moment that they had been performing what, in another place, was called a farce—(Cheers). —He had only to add, that if the result of this night's debate should prove to be in opposition to the pray ers of so many Petitioners as had come to this House, he could not but fear that they would be confirmed in that opinion which many persons already enter , taineJ, that this House did not speak the sentiments of the People of England—(bear, hear). ' The Petition was ordered to be printed. The same Hon. Member presented another Petition to the same effect from " No.l, Freemason's Lodge, Gravesend." This Petition, he said, charged the whole proceedings against her Majesty to have been the result of a deep laid conspiracy. Upon that point he couhi give no opinion. If the charge was made, and the evidence in support of it - heard at the bar, then he would be able to form his own opinion on it. previous night, that it w.ts to be treated only as a legal question. He thought, certainly, if the King had the power, according to his prerogatives, to ex.. dude the Queen's name from the . Liturgy, that the ,existenes of that power was not to be questioned. But then it might be made a matter of inquiry, what was the urgent State necessity that called for such an act, without a previous trial of the party whom it was to affect? With respect to the question of Re form, it. might, perhaps, appear strange that this was coupled with the question in reference to the Queen; but the Petitioners were right in introducing both subjects together ; for they judged rightly that if there had been in that House any actual repre sentation of the People, Ministers would not have dared to institute measures which went to seal their own condemnation..-(Hear, hear). The Honourable and Learned Gentleman concluded some further ob servations to the same effect, by moving that the Pe titions be read. RY CLIVE brought op a flit of Congas sod sowed for ea a previous night.—Adsved was si; The SPEAKER called the attention . of the House to this Petition, coming from a body of persons who assumed a character of Lodge," which the House did not recognise. The Petition which an Hon. Member lately withdrew, had a similar title, and for that reason it was withdrawn. If this Paition should be received, there was no reason why the other should not be received also—( Hear, hear). Mr. TIERNEY thought, that if the Petitioners used no corporate seal, there could be no objection to the Petition. Mr. Serjeant ONSLOW contended, that the asser tion referred to'by the Honourable Member, did not warrant the meaning be had deduced from it. He (Mr. Serjeant Onslow) did not say that the ques tion was to be considered solely in a legal point of view, but that the legality was the first point which he was disposed to consider. He could not help re probating the interpretation of the Honourable and Learned Member. ie table. JOHN Ngwpoß T gave notice of a motion for Thursday _ ce rtain publication wbick he represented as a , Rows of Parliament. rEnTioNS CONCERNING THE QUEEN. Sir W. LEMON presented a Petition from the In -- -f the Hamlet of St. Steven, in the County Co.nwAll, praying for the restoration of the name to the Liturgy, and an inquiry into Commission.—Ordered to be printed. Mr. WYVILL presented a similar Petition from of the City of York. This Petition, by 1,700 persons, who were all •in their respective stations. He :,ad lied with the deepest regret, by a Noble the other side, that it was not the intention ms's Government to restore the Queen's the Liturgy. But perhaps the Ministers a are of the great irritation which this produced in the public mind. It was very surprising, that the conduct of the per -•l in the Milan Commission was not to .red—(Hear, hear). Surely it ought to strictly inquired into. The country was led t from the commencement, that the pro., against her Majesty had originated in a' Amy, and now the public would be con the fact, if the parties presumed to be im were not brought to account for the manner they had acted. In fact, if investigation tl'e general impression would be, that had taken a direct part in the transac , .ieur)...—PCtitioll ordered to be printed. ,MES presented a Petition to tne same ef the Inhabitants of the Borough of Carlisle. was signed by a thousand persons, and the dismissal of his Majesty's Ministers.— med. IN presented three Petitions of a • first from the Parish of St. Mary Bermondsey; the second from the Parish Rotherhithe ; and the third from the of _. Nicholas. In the statements made in Petitions he entirely concurred, being con that never was there a more impolitic, un just measure, than the late Bill of Pains nor could anything be more suhver justice than the act of striking her Majesty's ..c out of the Liturgy before she was brought to sal. The Q 0 untry could never be brought to a ow of tranquillity till the Queen was placed in Forssion of all her rights—(Hear, hear). Bathe motion being put fur ordering the Petition t be printed, Sir E. SNATCIIBULL rose and suggested the Poriety of avoiding all unnecessary expense, in a plod which called for the greatest possible economy ad retrenchment. Mr. DENNISON admitted, that what the Honour eh Baronet had stated as to the necessity of eco away and retrenchment, was perfectly correct; where money could be saved it ought to be saved ; ltt, at the same time, he saw no reason why those who liberally contributed their proportion to the public revenue, should not be indulged in having their wishes made known to the Public, according to the mode they thought best calculated for the purpose. Lord MILTON said it was very satisfactory to bud that the Honourable Representative for the po fulous and respectable county of Kent, was so much alive to the necessity of economy. The House would receive this as an earnest of his readiness to advocate wommy upon every future occasion. They would el:guider it as a pledge 'of his willingness to do away with every useless office; and if it should in time torn out that the office of Receiver-General of the laud Tax was one which might be dispensed with, Le doubted not but the duties of it would be per teemed through some other medium than by the service s of the Honourable Member, who must him self be a witness of the impolicy of continuing it. The Petition was ordered to be printed. Mr. MACKENZIE presented a Petition of similar import from the inhabitants of the Borough of Ding wall, in the county of Ross.—Ordered to be printed. • Mr. CARTER presented a Petition of the like na i ture from the Mayor, Aldermen, and Corporation of I the Borough of Po r t s mouth.—O r dered to be printed. iMr. LINDSAY presented Petitions, conceived in im;lar teims, from the inhabitants of the Borough of Perth, and the village and vicinity of Crieff.— Ordered to be printed. ~ Mr. C. DUNDAS presente d two P et i t i ons o f t h e the description from the inhabitants of the County of Berta; and also from the inhabitants of Newbery, 1 0 the same county. The Honourable Member, in the course of a few obse, vations, argued agaimt the unconstitutional nature of the proceedings against the Queen ; and said he could not believe, from the Known benevolence of his Majesty's mind, that he would oppose her name being restored in the Li eurl9.—Ordet ed to be panted. Air. DENNISON presented a Petition from the lellubitauts of Gotialming, in Surrey, which, after PARLWIEN: HOUSE OF C( day the Suave o v ic k. the Gallery sc g a b places, created who attended for SPF.AKER read by dee House. n e order of April Iv , t ips, was kid ty the CI A p i ckion Was preset) sokagalint the return to be taken int i . Wert. gr. W. WYNN espi sot areelled its pone • appointed a day I was bound to mei • ailjonrnment wouli all Election Petidons. Petition was presen Yds Petition reel i to be ti snit March. WHIINRY CLIV ; i woad Prayer !mod in die table. *JOHN NEWPOI est, reep•ting a certain oo both Houses of PETITIONS CO Sir W. LEMON abitants of the Han CO. 1151'411, pray i i n's name to th, Milan Commissi, Mr. WYVILL pr Inhabitants of said, was signed ery respectable in t , it stated with I and on the other si his Majesty's Goy to the Liturg not a • are of ,onion had prod tit , him very surprisii engaged in the investigated—(H most strictly inqu sur e 'ct from the ,gs against he 'cal conspiracy, and ;aced of the fact, it *sated were not bi which they had a denied, the ger weinment had u Hear, ',ear). — Mr. JAMES prva from the Inhabi Petition was yed for the dismi doted to be prim Mr. DENNISON nature—the litaldn, Sermon Mary, Rothe hish of St. Niche oboe Petitions he ticed that never lilt, or unjust mea Penalties ; nor We of justice than AGRICULTURAL DISTRESS. Mr. SYKES presented a Petition from the Owners and Occupiers of Land in the Parish of Cottingham, in the Elm Riding of Yorkshire, complaining of the extremely distressed state of the Agricultural Interest, and paying for rel ef. For the facts contained in this Petition he was realy to vouch from his awn expert• e...e. He held in his hand a calculation, from which it appeared that Agriculturalists were now losing byl their land at the rate of 10s. 6d. per acre. Unless some measure of relief was speedily adopted, they must sink in utter ruin. In fact, they might be said to be ruined already, for during a long time past they had been living and paying their rent on the profits of their former industry. This was a melancholy subject, and the Noble Lord opposite, as well as those who acted with him, did not think proper to advert to it in the Speech which they had put into the King's mouth, and which the House had heard delivered from the Chair—( Hear, hear). If it had been alluded to, and duly considered, the Noble Lord must have known that it would have marred that fine prospect of national prosperity which he had made his Majesty hold forth. For himself; he had never me , any man out of doors who believed one word with regard to that splendid prospect—( Hear, hear, and laughter). The Petitioners (lid not pray for any specific mode of relief, but they prayed earnestly that the House I would use its influence to get the present Ministers ' dismissed, believing them to be totally unworthy of the places they filled. He• would not say that he gave his approbation to this assertion, but he knew it for a fact, that nine-tenths of the population of the county acquiesced in it. Another subject noticed in the Petition was the dislike and contempt in which the Royal name was held in consequence of the late proceedings against her Majesty—proceedings that ought never to have been instituted. Upon a former occasion they had heard much of the bad effects pro duced by folly and mischief; but he would ask, if folly and mischief ever produced any effects to equal those produced by the Bill of Pains and Penalties ? He would have thought that wisdom and justice would have dictated quite a different mode of acting. The proceedings against the Queen were conceived in mischief, got uis by falsehood, and supported by perjury—(Cheers).—Petition ordered to be printed. Mr. Alderman WOOD presented Petitions from the Wards of Farringdon-Within and Bishopsgate, praying that the Queen might be restored to all her rights.—Ordered to be printed. Mr. HOBHOUSE said, he held in his hand four Petitions, which were additional commentaries on the assertion of the Noble Lord (Castlereagh), that he' and his colleagues possessed the confidence of the na tion. The first Petition was from the inhabitants of , the parish of St. George's, Hanover-square, a parish where the mock-loyalists had made every exertion to get up a counter-petition ; but, with all the in fluence they could use, they had not been able to ob tain more than 415 signatures, though their Petition was lying open for ten days. Now, the Petition which he should have the honour to present had got as many signatures in ten hours—(Hear, hear)--and, had there been sufficient time, it would have received as many thousands. This Petition prayed for the re storation of the Queen's name to the Liturgy, and also for a Reform in the Representation of the Peo ple. The next . Petirion was from the Bookbinders of the Cities of London and Westminster, the third was from the inhabitants of Langport, and the fourth came from Sidmouth, and contained 450 signatures. To the town of Sidmouth there could be no objec tion, on the score of loyalty ; for, it would be recol lected, that they would not Petition last year in re ference to the occurrences at Manchester. Mock loyalty had also tried its efforts in Sidmouth, but Mr. HOBHOUSE, in explanation, disclaimed any idea of offending the Honourable and Learned Mem ber by whatever he had said. He had commented on his statement, in the light in which it was under. stood, both by himself and many of his Honourable Friends around him. Petitions ordered to be printed. Mr: P. PALM ER presented Petitions similar to the preceding, from a Parish in the County of Berks, and also from the Borough of Reading. The latter was signed by 1,300 individuals, and the Honourable Member, in presenting it, urged the necessity of Par liamentary Reform.—Ordered to be printed. Sir W. DE CRESPIGNY presented a Petition in support of the Queen's rights from the Parish of Wel ton Hampstead Devon ; and Mr. J. M‘PHERSON GRANT from the Inhabi tants of the Borough of Wyck. Ordered to be printed. Mr. DENMAN presented a Petition for the same object from the Town of Nottingham. This Petition prayed for the immediate dismissal of Ministers, and entreated the House not to grant any supplies till the request of the Petitioners was complied with—(Hear, hear).—Ordered to be printed. Mr. BIRCH presented a Petition of the same na ture, but drawn up in more moderate language, from the Mayor, &c. of the Borough of Nottingham. Mr. MARTIN (of Galway) said, it was unjust to accuse the persons engaged in the proceedings against the Queen, with having been implicated in a con spiracy, unless the most satisfactory evidence was ad duced of the fact. Mr. DENMAN, in reply to the Hon. Member who had just sat down, said, that he was not responsible for the truth of the charges contained in the Petition. The Petitioners stated, that grounds existed for charging Gentlemen on the other side of the House with a conspiracy, and they expressed a hope that it would be brought home to them, and that they would meet with due punishment. In that hope he fully concurred, although upon whom the punishment ought to light it was not becoming in him to say. Mr. R. M ARTIN said, that if Ministers were charged with a conspiracy, he knew no Gentleman so capable of defending them as the Honourable and Learned Gentleman who had just sat down, and who had heard the whole of the proceedings. The Petiticn was ordered to be printed. Mr. LEGH KECK presented a Petition from Hinckley, in Leicestershire, praying the restoration of her Majesty's name to the Liturgy, and an inquiry into the proceedings under the Milan Commission. --(Hear, hear).—Ordered to be printed. The same Hon. Member presented another Petition to the same effect, which, upon examination, ap pealed to have no name subscribed to it, and was withdrawn, in order to be corrected. Mr. P. MOORE presented a Petition from the young men of the ancient Town and Borough of Monmouth, praying that her Majesty may be re- I stored to all her rights and dignities, and " to such other relief as she may be entitled to"—(A laugh).— Ordered to be printed. The same Hon. Member presented a Petition for the restoration of her Majesty's name to the Liturgy from the " Waterloo Loyal and Independent Lodge of Odd Fellows" (A laugh), in the same town. Upon consulting shortly with the SPEAKER, the Hon. Member withdrew this Petition. A Petition to the same effect was presented and received, from the Borough of New Shoreham. Mr. HEATHCOTE presented a Petition to 'the same purpose from Boston, in Lincolnshire. He added his own hope to that expressed by the Peti tioners, that there would be a speedy and satisfactory termination to this most unfortunate question—(Hear, hear). 'The times were stormy enough without making them more so ; and this subject, if not set at rest, would go on agitating the country, and would oc cupy the Parliament to the exclusion of other Wei- Mr. HONYWOOD said, that after what had fallen from the Chair, he would withdraw the Peti tiod, and he did so accordingly. Lord ALTHORPE presented Petitions to the same effect from Wellingborough, from Kettering, and from Daventry, in Northamptonshire, which were all ordered to be printed. Petitions to the same purpose were presented from Pulford and from Ludlow. Ordered to be printed. Mr. BEAUMONT gave notice of a motion for a Committee to consider these Petitions. Lord STANLEY presented Petitions to the same effect from Chorley, from the town of Manchester, and from Caine, in the County Palatine of Lancaster. He expressed his entire concurrence in the prayers of these Petitions, and he felt that unless the Ministers complied with them, they would nOt discharge their duty to the Crown or the nation—( Hear). The P.-itions were ordered to be printed. Mr. MONCK presented Petitions from \Vantage, in Berkshire, from Thatcham, and certain Benefit Societies in Reading, which were ordered to be printed. The Hon. Member, in introducing these Petitions, stated, that however different the minor objects which each of these Petitions sought, they one and all agreed that nothing could allay the fer ment of the People but the restitutiorn of the Queen to all her rights and dignities, and the restoration of her name to the Liturgy—Meer, bear).—This ap peared to be almost the universal sentiment of the whole country—( Hear, hear)-and a sentiment too, not prevalent only in counties, towns, and populous districts, but emanating also from the most retired parishes and hamlets in the country —( Hear, hear). To this he had to add the expression—not of his hope, for hope he had none, but of his sincere with, that the prayers of so many Petitions, so generous, so honourable to themselves, might not be thwarted; and that the People might not, on this occasion, find in this House the most determined, and the most un natural opposition, given to their entreaties—(Hear). Mr. HUME presented similar Petitions from the Corporation of Brechin, and from the incorporated trades of the same borough.—Ordered to be printed. Mr. KENNEDY presented three Petitions from Irvine, Kilmarnock, and Girvan, in the County of Ayr. In doing so, he begged to put a question to the Noble Lord opposite. He wished to know whether the Noble Lord could state what were the intentions of Government relative to the office of Lord Registrar of Scotland, which was now vacant by the death of an Hon. Member of this House ? Lord CASTLEREAGH said, that he was not pre- I pared to answer the Hon. Gentleman ; but if he would • bring the subject regrlarly before the House, perhaps it would be the most convenient way. Mr. KENNEDY stated his readiness to bring the subject before the house as soon as possible in the F ensuing week; but, he hoped that, in the Meantime, • Ministers would not fill up the office. Lord CASTLEREAGH said, that the office was not in his department, and of course he could give no correct answer. Mr. IIUSKISSON stated, hat he believed the office was regulated by Act of Parliament. Mr. KENNEDY said he was aware that, by the Act of 1817 the office was not abolished; but that arose from a clerical error in the engrossment of the I-Bill. He would bring the matter before the Howe, if Ministers would say that they would not give away Ithe office until the sense of the House should be taken upon it.—Ministers were silent. The Petitions were ordered to be printed. Sir C. COLE presented a Petition to the time effect from Swansea, which was read and ordered to be printed. Mr. BYNG presented Petitions to the same pur port from the Ship Owners of the Port of London, from the Parishioners of St. Leonard's, Shoreditch, of St. Botolph, from the Shipwrights and Dv.Jt