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the grounds of national justice and the security of our maritime rights, the spirit and good sense of. the country were eascrly exerted to support it. BUt if in the progress of the we r the ground bad been changed, it instead of justice and security, we were aiming at aggrandisement and extension 'of territory, the tensequences might be deplorable indeed.. •He could not help remarking on a certain passage in the Prince ftegetses speech, which did not appear to he justified by the events which had bad taken place. Some advantages, it Was tree, appeared to have been gained by the British forces in the beginning, 'but they were grievously counterpoised by succeeding disasters, disasters of which no notice whatever hid been taken in the Speech. His Grace deplored the effects of the war, as operating to the extreme injury of our trade and manufactures. His Grace read part of a letter which he had received from Birming ham, confirming that statement, and concluded with an earnest desire that every effort might be tried to bring about an equitable and honourable peace, add ing, that rather than pursue the war, for any other objects than those on which it had commenced, and thereby bringing down on the country incalculable probable calamities, he would be willing to make some sacrifices. _ _ . The Earl of LIVERPOOL observed, that after what had already occurred in that House, it would not at present be necessary to take up much of their Lordships' time. In reply to what. had fallen from the Noble Duke, relative to the, Prince Regent's Speech, he should apprise the Noble Duke, that at the opening of Parliament, there had not been any official statements of the events allaidq`d to.by the-No ble Duke, particularly that tII the Lake Champlin. Dispatches, however, had recently been received by his l'iltje,ty's Gmernment, both from our Naval and Milital y Commander% which would of course be pub lished iu the next Gazelle. THE NAVAL ADMINISTRATION. Lord DONOUGHMORE, after some prefatory observations moved for Copies of the Addresses pre sented to the Prince Regent from Glasgow, Gree nock, London, &c. respecting the depredations of American privateers. He briefly stated, that the ob. • jest of his motion was to shcw, that a strong sensa tion had heen excited amongst the merchants of this country by lie success of the American privateers. Lord MELVILLE declared his readiness, when it should he necessary, to prove all that he had asserted on a former evening. The staerings of the merchants of this country were such as arose necessarily from the war, and as they were casual, could not be pre vented by any exertions. There never bad been a war withwit such consequences. After some t bservations from Lord DARNLEY the motion was agreed to. Lord DONOUGHMORE then moved for a state:, ment of the force under Sir Alexander Cochrane.— He had heard that the Leander, which was watching the American frigate the Constitution, was to badly provided with stores, that there was no ground to hope for success in any engagement which might take place. Lord MELVILLE considered the latter statement of the Noble Lord as extremely improbable, and not at all entitled to credit. He opposed. the motion, as tending to disclose the strength of the country. The Motion was negatived. Lord DONOUGHMORE rose, to notice a state ment m isle last Session In another place, to which he should be happy to give his assent ; but he regretted that, in order to justify his own conduct, it was ne cessary for him to controvert that statement. The LORD CHANCELLOR here called the Noble Lord to order, on the ground, that it was against the established customs of Parliament to an swer in one House wh.tt had been stated in another. Lord DONOUGHMORE resumed. He was wil ling to all iw that he had been wrong. He referred to the statement as an authoritative account from an official character, and not as from a Member of the other House. It had been said, that shortly after the passing of a Legislative enactment, a county in Ire land, which was before in a state of general disturb ance, had become altogether calm, and that the peo ple in general had united for the preservation of peace and tranquillity. He was fearful that this statement might deceive the public, without any intention of that kind on the part of the Honourable Gentleman who had made it. The authority for the statement was merely the declaration of a Gentleman, certainly of the highest respectability. When he questioned that statement he did not mean to claim unlimited ere t for h's nonassertion. After the time when tranquillity was said to have been perfectly' restored, circumstances had occurred which certainly did not accord with that assertion. His Lordship then alluded to the robbery ot Mr. Prendergast's house, and an attack nia2e un a Mail in the county said to have been reduced to complete tranquillity. He should mention t• o other circumstances. On the 13th, at a place in the county of Meath, only five miles from • t!,e resideace of the Magistrate, arms of different kinds were found in the possession of a' person,' who was found again on the 14th to haVernino offensive weapons in his house. These certainly were not symptoms of the return ilf .. .trittitigigity, and i.e supposed that they must have escaped the attention ot the Honourable Gentleman • who had made the statement to which be (Lord Donough more) had referred. The most absurd part of the provision, the tranquilizing effects of which were boastrd of, U.Sa the mission of persons to Ireland to tally ignorant of the state of the country. In Mid dlethird, the Magistrate was chosen on the recom mendation of the Police of Dublin, and the additio nal Constables consisted of disbanded serjeants of ca valry. Thece men were much better acquainted with the topography of Arragon or Andalusia than of Tipperary. In one instance, when a criminal work ing in a field had been pointed to them, their igno rance of the country had enabled him to escape. In fact, no measure could have been adopted more likely to insure the continuance of disturbances. The Peace Preservation Act hud been considered much more le nient than the Insurrection Act. To this opinion he tt uld not g ve his assent, for the latter secured a Jury to the Acrtisrd. In the one, Government interfered only whets applied twist the Magistrates, but on tht o t h er i t 1.a3 a power of interfering without any such recinisition'on their pan, and thus the country was entirely deployed ot all share in repressing the distur bances,-.4nd a source was opened to Gevernmeut of a taut extended pitrottage. He did not mean to 'express any apprehensions in the present instance, but 7: it was the duty of the Legislature to provide against future abuses, and for the future happiness of the peo ple, and not merely to Legislate for the present mo ment. By the Peace Preservation Act, the Lord Lieu tenant had the power to declare the whole oflreland itt a state of disturbance; such a declaration would cause the sending forth ofthe additional Magistrates, each of v..horn received 4700 per ann. and had two assist ants who received each £l5O. The Magistrate had besides a house, which he should rate at £2OO, and thus the whole of the expense of each of these new Magi.erates to the country was £l2OO pee annum.— Thus 200 most luerative situations might be placed at the disposal of Government, and £240,000 of th e public money expended, if the Lord Lieutenant and Secretary of Ireland, and four or five Members 4f the Council agreed to declare the whole country in a state of disturbance. There was no necessity for giving such absolute power. The Right Honourable Gentleman must surely have deceived himself when he considered Ireland in a state of tranquillity, and the Peace Preservation Act as a lenient measure.— He had also to complain of the manner in which the principal county law officer was generally chosen in Ireland. In this country the system had not been considered proper. In Ireland this was a matter of much more consequence, for the Sheriff had the no mination of the Grand Jury, and to many more offices than here. He knew an instance which had lately occurred, of partiality, wherein a gentleman of the greatest property in the neighbourhood had been passed over in the nomination of the Grand Jury.-- In fact, the active duties of the Sheriff were usually performed by some Attorney, who, held the office of Under Sheriff, and converted it to his profit. The high situation of Sheriff was no honour, for without any extravagance, it might be said, that it was actu ally put up to sale. As to the affairs of Ireland in general, they appeared to him to be managed in• a very confused manner, and not to receive from Mi nisters the serious consideration to which they were entitled by their vast importence to the most vital interests of this kingdom. Leland appeared to be treated with an indifference which should exist only in our feelings to a foreign Power, and not towards one of the most valuable parts of the empire, whose ' prosperity added to t of the British dominions in general, and whose adversity could not but be felt , ' by the whole kingdom, although its effects might bl imperceptible to the , superficial observer. lie consi dered the different official situations in the admini-i stration of affairs in that country as one which ought not to be given to a young Gentleman, but to a per son of long practice in busii.ess, whose discretien had been matured by time, and whose jteigreeet had been strengtheaed by experience. The Noo.e Lord. , then proceeded to notice, with much severity, the Excise Laws of 'Leland. He knew them from expe rience, having held a situation which had given him ' every opportunity of obtaining information. The resignation of Mr. Marsden he considered as a cir cumstance deeply to be rceretted. He coecluded by moving for copies of notifications to Parliament respecting the improved state of Ireland since the Pi oclamation of the 24th of September, .declaring the Barony of Middlethird in a state of insurrection. The LORD CHANCELLOR considered the Motion as totally inadmissible and contrary to the orders of the House. The Noble Lord had said, that communications had been made to Parliament ; but the Noble Lord must have been well aware that no such communication had been made in that House.' It was, in fact, answering there what had been spoken in the other House. Lord SIDMOUTH considered the motion so en tirely inadmissible, that it was scarcely necessary for him to make any remarks upon it. Lord LIVERPOOL rose to propose to the Noble Lord an alteration in his motion, so as to render it less objectionable on account of its violation of esta blished order. Lord DONOUGHMORE complied with this suggestion, and proposed the motion in an amended I form. He moved—" for the production of all papers transmitted to the Lord Lieutenant of Ireland, and by him to Government, respecting the state of parti cular counties, and of that country in general, as far as it was connected with the operation and effects of the Peace Preservai ion Act." .• Lord SIDMOUTH observed, that the Noble Lord who =trade the motion not only violated the Orders of the House in the commencement of his remarks, but , had done so throughout; for what be had said was obviously in answer to a speech in another place.- 116 irregular had the Noble Lord been, that at first ;he hesitated whether it was necessary to controvert Ilthe statements which had been made; but he could most positively deny that statement, and should not refer to newspapers for the means of refuting it, as the Noble Lord had done, to substantiate his asser tions. Mr. Pcele, with respect to the state of Ireland, and .of the county of Tipperary in particular, had 1 , Woken comparatively, and ma positively, as had been 'represented. He had not said that the country was tompletely tranquil, but that it was so in comparison ' with its former state, before the operation of the Act. The instances noticed by the Noble Lord were iso lated circumstances, which did not warrant general ,:ronclusions. The proclamation declaring the barony of Middlethird in a state of insurrection, was dated the 4th, and not the 21 , th of September, as the Noble Lord had supposed. • It was singular that the enact ment, of which such decided disapprobation had now been expressed, was that on which Parliament had been unanimous ; while that of which the Noble Lord's approbation had been declared had met with much opposition. The Noble Lord bad been sur prized that what he considered the more lenient mea sure had not been res. , rted to. Parliament had con sidt red the. Peace Preservation Act as the more lenient measure, because it nvertly provided for the effectual enforcement of the laws, and did not make any alte-, ration in them ; and after what had already been said on the subject, and the ample discussion it had under gone, he did not think it necessary to answer the Noble Lord's high praises of the Insurrection Act, in preference to that which had recently been adopted. The Peace Preservation Act had never been enforced until Government had received application for its en forcement. In one instance only the Act had been ied, and in that instance it had proved eminently efficient and successful. With respect to what the Noble Lord had remarked, regarding the Secretary fur Ireland, he could conscientiously assure him that tie knew no one more nmarkible tot p ;combination' iof &finals, tampei, and Inkidtration. He *Peke of bi. in hit ailleiatearicity, for he had not the pleasure •of any intimate personalacquaintance with that Right Honourable Gentleman. He stated, that he consi. dered the motion as usel;ss, for he knew of no corn. munications which could possibly be produced if it were adopted ; and concluded by moving the adjourn ment of the House. Lord DONOUGIIMORE, before the question should be disposed of, felt it necessary to trouble their Lordships with one or two obsetvations by way of explanation. He had thought it his duty to correct the misrepresentations of the statement which ap peared to have been made in another place. What had fallen from the Noble Viscount' was perfectly sa tisfactory on that head. He wished it to go forth to the public upon such official authority that the com plete restoration of the disturbed districts in Ireland to tranquillity had not been effected by the Bill of last Session, and that no alteration but that of compara tive improvement had been the result of its operation. He.had said, what he was still prepared to reassert, that other and more effectual measures for tranquil. lising Ireland might have been resorted to. It was his decided opinion that the Insurrection Bill would have been much more effectual to that object than that which was commonly called Mr. Peek's Bill for the Preservation of the Peace. With respect to that Gentleman, he could assure the Noble Viscount, that any thing he had said was not meant to convey any offensive meaning. Considering his time of life, and the difficult as well as delicate duties of the station to which he had been appointed, he might, he flattered himself, without incivility, remark, that it would have been better if some " old aoser," fully cr.nrersant with the detailed complexity of the duties of the office he held, had been placed in it. There was nothing in which Noble Lords seemed to be so inexperienced as the properties of the population of Ireland, and the qualities of public officers particularly suited to guide or control them. His objection 'o the Right Hon. Gentleman arose from his youth, and he was sure their Lordships would not think he had transgressed the limits of decorum, when he expressed a wish that some old Gentleman had been sent in his place, who might temper, with his experience and moderation, the inflammable spirit of his countrymen. He had, however, already said, that he was s nisfied with the correction, or, the authority of the Noble Viscount, of the statement to which he had objected, and should not then trespass farther upon their Lordships' time. Their Lordships then adjourned. HOUSE OF COMMONS. Sufficient Members being present, the SPEAKER took the Cba:r before four o'clock. Mr..-.7trjtant ON.A.9W stated, that he held to his band a Petition which he coneriveil to tie of much importance, but on wicch he should make no comment at present. The Learned Serjeant then brought up a Petition from certain Bakers of the City of London, and within ten miles of it, praying for leave to bring in a Bill to authorise an increased allowance fur the Manufacture of Bread.—Petition received, and ordered to lie on the '!'able. Mr. BROGDEN moved tho third reading of the Promissory Notes Bill, eontiauing the former Act till the Vith of March, 1816, which Bill was accordingly read, passed, and ordered to be carried to the Up per House for their Lordships' c-'acurrenee. The Bill to pr event Bribery and Corruption in the Borough of lielston, was mead a first time, and ordered fur a second read ing on Wednesday. A new Writ was ordered to be issued for the BOrough of Mitc:/atn, vice Brereton, Esq. On the motion of Mr..Baonass, the Wool lni;ortation Dill, Neutral Ships Bill, Foreign ships Bill, and East India Goods Bill, Were severally read a third time and passed. Mr WHITBREAD moved the third reading of the False Measures Bill, which was committed for to-morrow. IMilMo.._ SLAVE TRADE. Mr. HORNER said, that he rose for the purpose of asking some intormation respecting the present state of the Slave Trade with regard to this country, and in relation to the steps taken for its abolition.— From the publication of the American Commissioners at Gbent, it appeared; that a number of negroes had been obtained, he might lay seduced, iron] the Southern States, by some of our Commanders, whence they bad been conveyed to the West Indies, and there sold in the usual way. He could not possibly conceive a measu, e more affecting the character of this country. supposing this information to be foun; ded in facts ;—more especially as it served to corro borate the assertion of a neighbouririg nation, who had imputed to us an hypocritical desire of preach ing the trade down among other counti its, while we intended to continue it for our own advantage at last. There were two points, therefore, he wished to ascertain. He was desirous to know, whether Government was disposed to make inquiry into the practices now attributeel to us by the enemy ? if such an inquiry was meant to be set on foot, he' should suggest, in order to save time, that information might immediately be obtained from Ghent, where the charge was preferred. Another point, on which he wished to be informed, was still more important, inasmuch as it affected the abolition of the Slave Trade, prospectively and definitively. We had con cluded a treaty with Ferdinand VII. and he wished to know what stipulations had been introduced on the subject of the traffic in slaves, during our treaty with the Court of Spain ? Every assurance had been given to the House, of the desire of his Majesty's Govern ' went to negotiate for itsabolition with foreign Powers. We had done much for Spain ; enough, at any eve, to authorise us to intercede with her Monarch for an object we had so honourably at heart. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER regretted that the House should imagine there existed the least cause for doubting the sincerity of those ex ertions which had been math, and were still making, on the part of his Majesty's Government, for carrying into effect the Resolutions of that House rexpecting the Abolition of the Slave Trade. He wa s only on e among those of his colleagues on whom his Learned' Friend (Mr. Horner) had - been pleased to call, as pledged to accomplish the object of the presek in quiries; he claimed no merit for himself ; since those with whom he had the honour to act, and especially his Noble Friend who now represented the interests of this count: y in Congress, were each and equally anal-, nus to fulfil the wishes of that House, so solemnly end repeatedly expressed. In the present case, he could only say, that Government had received no informs- Lion at all bearing on Mr. Monroe's note, and Were in this respect at present unprepared to refute its tharges." He could not bring himself to believe, however, mat any English Officer, knowiNig the sense t.t his country on the ,tiliject, would act so disgracef al A p.t!:, and subject himself to the inevitable penalty which so base a proceeding must incur ; not merely as it re. spected the law of me country, .but as it vies calcu laced to Wog vpsalim the Indignation of every man of • integrity and feeling.—(firar, Etar.)..-H e still could not but consider the whole of the statement as contrived by the American Government, in order to keep their negroel from running away, by holding up to their fears the treatment they were lik , •ly to experience in consequence of such a step. Having so far endeavoured to satisfy the first question pro. posed by his Learned Friend (Mr. Ho rner ), h e re . greeted that the second point, concerning whi c h son* information had been solicited, furnished n o matter of satisfactory communication. Though the-ter in g pains had been taken, though every representatina had been made, calculated to induce the Government ,of Spain •to accede to the views entertained by this country, with regard to the Slave Trade, no supida. tion was yet consented to on the part of the formes. which the House would not be surprised at, when, they considered what had recently taken place is that country. Mr. HORNER making no farther observations, The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER moved the Order of the Day, for the House to resolve itself into a Committee to take into consideration the Message of his Royal Highness the Prince Regent,,' recommending the grant of an annuity to Lord Wal. siiigham, for his natural life, after twenty years of upright and disinterested conduct, as Chairman of the Committees of the House of Lords. Mr. ROSE seconded the motion ; after which* resolution to the effect was passed, and the Rep ort ordered to be received to-morrow. Mr., WHITBREAD inquired when the Ri g h t aonourable Gentleman opposite (the Chancellor a the Exthequer) would be prepared to lay the Papers relating to the Spanish Patriots given up at Gibraltar, ,betnre the House The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER. " Probably, to-morrow." A Messale from the Lords announced their Lorchhips having agreed to the Seamen's Encouragement Bill, without any sintost menu ; and also to Mrs. Reynolds's Legacy 8.11. The Irish Timber Duty Bill, and Irish Excise hill, went throsigh a Committee, and the Reporu were ordered to be re. ceived tomorrow. Owing to some informality, the Fire-arms Bill was with haw'. Mr. LUoHINGTON brought in a new Hackney Coach Bill, repealing that ul last Session, when it was ordered to be printed, and read a second time to-morrow. The Committee on the Foreign Lice Bill was postpoood till to-morrow. Sir C. MORDANT brought up a Petition from the Gun. makers of Birmingham, praying to amend the Firearms Act. Reports from the Commissioners of Education is Ireland, ad front the Commissioners for the affairs of the Nabob of the Car. antic were received, and ordered to be printed; after which, the House adjourned. FINANCIAL PAPERS. An account of the net receipt of the Permanent, Annual, and War Taxes, for the years ended 10th of October, 1813 and 1814, laid before the House of Commons, states it as follows: PLIMANINT TAXIS. le. I. A Total Net Receipt for the year ending 10th/ 34.623,72 i 7 soi October, tBl3 Ditto . . . 1814 ..._.._ - 3G,589,087 7Si ANNUAL bunts. Total Net Receipt for the year coding iOth 1 5055,553 5 Hi October, 1813 Ditto . . . 1814 • • 3,101,847 0 10* WAR TAXIS. Total Net Receipt for the year ending " kb 22,740368 4 October, 1813 Ditto . . . 1814 . 1:3,475,41S 19 61 CONSOLIDATED FOND.—AD account of the Income of,' and Charge upon, the Consolidated Fund, for the quarters ending the sth of July, 1814, and 10th Oc• tuber, 1814, states— c . s. 4 Income for the former, at . 11,165,313 9 91 For the latter . • . . 10,9Z4,933 6 S Charge for the former qaarter . le i ost,ol7 14 to Making a Beficiency of 1186,704 1 ¢ ei Charge for the latter . - • . 9,734003 0 & Leaving a Surplus for the latter quarter of 9.012e,9e5 S The Dificiency of Surplus of Cunool•dated Fund, the sth April, 1814, amounts to 2,90,355 6 si the aum of NAmBURON MAIL. CUXHAVEN. NOVEMBER Is. The stormy weather on the I I th and I 2th has done much damage is our neighbourhood, of which the following particulars are known : The Oak, Captain Perth, from Leith, is stranded on the Vo• gelsand, crew saved, and arrived here. The Haniburglwr eorie, Captain Sarr, is stranded orSeharhorn ; crew and part of the cargo saved, but the ship Is lost. Yesterday a brig coining from London was totally lost, with the whole crew, on the Noarder Ground, with the exception. of a pilot belonging to this plate, but who knows &either the name of the ►hip, nor of the Captain. Two other brigs are ashore notch of this place, but we bate no accoont of them. Nov. 14.—We have not yet any partkulars of the two stranded ships : preparations have been making since yesterday to go is their assistance. A great part of the cargo of the Hamburgha Base is saved, and hopes are now entertained of saving the ship. LSIPSIC, NOVEMBER 11. Yesterday was posted up at the corners of all the streets an advertisement from the Colonel Command ant, of which the following is copy : " Soperior Orders command me to give tip the place of Corn seandant to the Prussian Major-General Von Sisnurk, to whom, as Commandant, every one is from to-morrow directed to apply. ; 14 Curia ENS or Lamm !—I publicly thank you for all the Pfltio•Ce you have had with me on rnany occasions, and for your constant guod-will—l thank you f o r all th e friendship you have sheen me. " A year is passed, and during this whole . year you have not obliged me to come forward, as Commandant, to give orders; a single word, a wish, was enough to induce you to do every thivg in your power; neither have you, on any occuion, withdrawn from me your valuable esteem. I have received continued prras of your love. •' Your conduct will make me, for my whole life, proud of having been Governor of lwipsic. Our requuit I have un leash. g you : do not change your behaviour towards your new Comcan lant ; thus you will become dear to hint, as you are tu ate• :lON good Citizens of Leigaic, I thank you. Far well. •` Hie Russian Colonel and Commandant of the City, " Leipsle, Nov. 10. " ' , almost " Yeaterday evening the principal cit;zens repaird by torch•light, and with a tine hand of music, to tile house* their esteemed Governor, and bade linn adieu, with three linaris 1 The Colonel appear J, and again recommended himself to the reniernorabce of the people of Leipsic. To show how readily they complied with the last wish of their Commandant, they repaired to the :louse of General Bimini& and wished him much joy on his new .rirses. redommeed• tog themselve s tee His favour. Tug then L-e same cosiepliments to the Prussian Major SuAlii'•— lhese two Gentlemen also returned thanks in the m est affable manner, and their countenarces %hewed ."`v happy they were to be assured of the love 01 the peopla of Leipic. ..