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Tl•e Emperor of Russia, though certainly at a ) -sauce from us, had prepared to arm himself Tuiost us. lam ignorant of the extent of injury t I.e Emperor may at present be able to inflict upon hs. Ey tensive movements are spoken of in the mili tary colonies of II tussle .a nd that2oo officers have been liary f ed. It has brim sail, the Emperor compared the condect of the it - ism:tents of Novogorod to that of the rebels of Poland and of France, who were •all aNimated with the same spirit. Yon know how he 1!•:s treated the Polish rebels, and may easily judge 1,1)%t would hi: treatment of the French rebels, he had the nw•itts of reaching them. I there -I,re insist urv-1 thr immediate acknowledgment of Poland. Ti:. , moq urgent step, however, is to prevent Pressia from overwhelming Poland, and therefore 1 conjure the Government to display the most determined resolution on this point, and use towards the Prusaian Oabinet the language which it could not fail to comprehend in the first days of the Revolution, since that language prevented it interfering in the affairs of Belgium. NPIRIT OF THIS D. 4 1"S JOURN4W. Cli RON ICLE—The distress occasioned by taxes to go. vemment is bad enow , h t but wen would bear this as an inevitable evil. They lose. however, all patience when they see the beds token from under poor men, struggling to keep their heads above water, to pay heavy tradesmen's hills for furnishing new churches. and other unnecessary branches of local taxation. Local taxation by irresponsible Lodi. Muftis, who have had interest enough to carry. by the most cor:upt means, bill% through parliament. is the great curse of this country. The manner ir. which this curse creeps on was well illustrated, in giving on account of the new District Church in the Parish of Islington. The people within the district set apart for the new Church, are entirely at the mercy oe a Select Vestry. appointed, de facto, by the Vicar anti his Churchwarden ; for, of course. the Bishop of London, the Lord Chancellor, and the Commis- sinners can know nothing of the parishioners themselves, and the:eforc the vicar and his churchwarden determine the whole. The people of Mary-la-bonne have. it appears, fairly lost patience and when we consider the daring diaregard of all decency manifested in that parish, we cannot blame them. An attempt was made yesterday to force a sale at 31u1. borough-street; but the respectable auctioneer, on under it miling the nature of the business, determined to have ::aching to do with it. An appeal was made to the ho oar of the Hebrew nation, and they determined to keep :..00f. We have no doubt that public opinion, now that it has been directed in this powerful manner against the organized oppression to which the people of Nlary.la. tonne at subject, will deter all men from touching a piece of gods belonging to an inhabitant of Mary.la-bonne, taken ondertfistreas for Select Vestry rater ; and it will he deemed as ditigracetui to invade a man's property under such cir. &Instances as to he caught in an unnatural offence. The conduct of the inha' itanis of Mary-la-honne will, we trust, be a warning to those who wish to sat the public feeling at defiance not to draw the how too tight. When those in power disregard justice, those subject to power are but too apt to forget obedience. Why will the self-elected Vestry or limy-la-bonne comps) the whole community to cry out SAIIIIC on their pioreidings ? Let them resign their usurped power, and allow those alto pay to have some controul over the expend i:u re, and all will yet be right. We promise them that they will fit t! tl ey have much mistaken the character of the people of England, if they think they will tamely submit to be plundered for va as they have been plundered for years past. There are times alien parties in a country appear to oc hre% lerlete many principles in common, and to have no great dfirerence of opinion as to the measures to be pursued. But there ar: other times when men are WO calo opposed to each other. Atter the war of 1794 was entered on, to put down revolutionary opinions on the Continent, and to resist all reform at home, a most tremendous system of proscrip. tion was set on foot in this country. The word then was given from on high, not only to exclude from offices of all kinds ate, suspected of liberal opinions, but to combine against and injure them in their private business.— Poor Burns, who never attained higher promotion e under Government titan being an Ezeiseman, with difficulty retained his office, information of his liberal sen timents having been given to the Board of Excise, who authorised a superior officer to inquire into his conduct...- The Poet, in his private Common-Place Book, observes, " Whatever may be my sentiments of republics, ancient or roe& rn, as to Britain, I ever abjured the idea. A Consti. tution, which in its original principles, experience has proved to be every way fitted for our happiness, it would be insanity to abandon for an untried, visionary theory." In vain he wrote loyal ballads,'summoning his fellow-country. men to arm to repel threatened invasion. Ile was told by his superiors (in office) that if be wished to eat the bread of Government, his business was "to act, and not to think." Long after this period the proscription against men who had even allowed an unguarded expression to escape taeto continued in force. The justification offered for these harsh measures was, that the exigency demanded them, and that it was necessary Government should be served by none who did not share their views. We are far from juati. lying the tyrannical measures of the l'itt administration ; but we say, that at this moment, parties are as much op. posed to each other as parties can be; that the one wishes no less than to destroy boroughmongering, and to rescue the people from the fangs of an oligarchy, by whom they have been oppress.d and pillaged in the most scandalous man ner ; the others wish to perpetuate the corruption ; and, it' they were to succeed in their object, they would trample on manatee and their supporters, and let loose nn a devoted country instruments filled with the Wiest hatred of those who wished to restore to the people their rights. At such a time who is not with us is against us. and the govern men: cannot dispense wt:h the energy derived front the de e, l. h g of their powers into hands devoted to the good =Use. :•;•.: man can make bricks without straw—no man can cut Idoets wits razors—no Mill can be heartily served by the er.imy or his c.attse. T 131 k: S—When the Catholic Bill was in constant agi. tation, and when, besides the palpable justice of the case, a:gun:ems Craven 11.0111 expediency were had recourse to as additional grounds fur introducing it, what what was the strongest and most decisive of such arguments ?* Nothing Las than that Ireland would never rest uutil she carried it, sod that a aka war wovld be the all but immediate con. con'cquence of refusing. We were me; by the saute mise rable attack upon our motives as we now are—" What, will you bully U 6 ? was echoed through every Orange drawing. room in both islands; and meanness, weakness, stupidi y, cud b 0 forth, tilled the war-whoop of the " Church In dan gee " facduti, even to that hour when the Duke of Welling. ton took up the argument on the " necessity of avoiding civil war," as ore main inducement to his wise and equitable measure. The Duke of 11'ellington afraid ! yes, afraid, but net frighteneel—fearing nought for himself, but for his cows. try every thin, and admitting only, by his straightforward and invincible logic, that the maintenance of the public peace is an t.bjeet worth any, however extensive, saclike of theoretical opinion. If the Tory-lord outcry mean any 'long, it is this--that, no matter what may be the risks or calamities likely to result from a given line of policy, those who argue against its adoption must abstain reli giously from every reference to those disastrous results, whether affecting individuals or classes, lest their may be accused of trying to intimidate their opponents Why, if such be the rsle of controversy, what a pretty thing a siaritamentary discussion will become front this time ward! It follows, of course, that the strongest srgw menu are those which must be most scrupulously abandoned, and that the blindest and most ignorant blockheads arc those whose errors must Ise held in the most holy reverence! It fellows, moreover, that for fear the House of Lords should be open to any sounder or more U. spectable influence than that exercised over it by the borough conservative school, their Lordships are to be left in dark lifts as to the real awe of England, and facts as conspi cuous as the mid.dav sun ate to be kept out of sight for conscience sake, lest the iufusion of some little know. ledge into their Lordships' minds might by possibility have the effect of detersing teem from the grossest violation of their duties I But away with all such miserable, despicable, drivelling, as this of the Tories and their press. The country must be exhibited in her genuine colours. The merits of the question cannot be separated from a faithful re presentation of the jack which bear upon h. Those dicta. (hued not the mere words expressing them) constitute the oh. 'vino', the preening= reality of the danger, and theteforc -amain within them the essential principle of intimidation. 14 then, some Pear, jealous of his own thee, and of theirs. dependence of his order, requires a victim to the privileges cif their Moulins house, let Ida call to the bar, not the editor of this or that newspaper,--not the mere minister of a mighty power. let him summon her at whose nod the press must live or perish—Truth herself, in het own dread person. She is the public enemy of Toryism, and its rightful prey, She, TRUTH, is, in this case, the libeller,—she,, the only " bully." HiiRALD.—The recent trials at the Old Bailey Sessions of James Robinson, for robbing Ms employers, Messrs East and Co. of goods to a great amount, were terikingio illustrative of the working of our criminal laws, and furnish a eractical commentary upon Lord Brougham's lecture to Jurymen on the nature and obligation of the Jurors' oath. The prisoner was first tried on an indictment charging him with having stolen goods to the value of 1,0001 The evi dence went to chew that if he stole goods to any amount of the property of his employers, he stole to the value of, at ken, several hundred pounds. It was proved, indeed, that property of the value of 3001. which he had feloniously ab stracted front the premises of Mmara.East,a ere found in pos session of one individual, to whom be had sold it; and more of the property, estimated at 2001. was discovered in a room in the primener'a own occupation. Thus it was evident that, if he stole any of the goods laid its the indictment, he stole to the value of 5001. The Jury found him guilty of stealing under SI! On a second indictment, where the goods were laid at the value of 251. the Jury again found him guilty of stealing under 51. There were three or four other indictments against the same person, each of which charged him with a capital offence; but the proaeeutors, admonished, we presume, by the result of the former trial., offered no evidence in support of the capital charge, but al lowed the prisoner, in each instance, to have a verdict of con. viction recorded against him on his own confessional plea of having stolen property under 61. These verdicts were accounted for by a reference to the state of the law, which demands that tire life of man shall be sacrificed for stealing in a dweling house to the amount of SI. Before Sir Robert Peel's revi sion of the Criminal Code the punishment 'of death was in flicted for stealinc to the amount of 40s. in the dwellings house. TA, off. nee was first made capital by a Statute passed in the twelfth year of Queen Anne. In the year 1811 Sir Samuel Romilly castled a Bill through the House of Commons to repeal this sanguinary statute, and to restore with some modifications, the milder punishment of the ancient Common Law ; but his efforts were defeated by the Douse of Lords, who threw out the Bill. Sir Ro bert Peel, whose narrow capacity never could embrace a principle in legislation, thought it a wonderful concession to public opinion to raise the legal price of human life from 40s. to SI. so that, for the sum of I.oool.—the value stated in the first indictment against Robinson— if every 51. of that sum were stolen by a different person, the lines of no less than 200 human beings might be taken according to law ! and that, too, according to Sir Robert Peel's "amended and ameliorated" law ! If the law of Queen Anne had still remained in force, we presume the Juries that tried Robinson would, instead of finding him guilty of stealing under the value of 51. have limited the sum to 29a, as was a common practice at the 01d Bailey while that law remained on the statute book ; nay, so far was this carried, that, in one instance, a woman having been convicted on the clearest evidence, of having stolen a Bank of England note for IOL the Jury found the note to be only of the value of 30s. the Jury con sidering that their oath did not bind them to become the blind and ruthless instruments of the exterminating barbs. rism of the law. It is fresh in the recollection of the public that under the present Administration a man was executed for stealing in the dwelling-house shove the value of 51... The Jary who 4111 Robinson no doubt expected that a simi- I kr fate awaited him, and, therefore, did not leave the delin quent's life to the " tender mercies" of the Recorder ipd the Secretary fur the Home Department. Notwithstanding the lecture of Lord Brougham, such lax. an never be tho roughly executed, unless we can always have, to use the words of Lord Byron, " 12 butane for a Jury, and a Jeffries for a Judge !.. Ct BBRTI'S REGISTER.—The very first effect of a rejection of the Bill by your Lordships would be a serious discussion of the question of your right to reject this Bill, it being a Bill not at all affecting any of your rights or privilege s; but solely a matter of regulation as to the man ner in which the Commons shall cause the agents for con. tracttng their business and taking care of their interests to be chosen by and amongst themselves. We know that, se , I cording to the laws and constitution of the kingdom, the Reform Bill cannot become a law without the consent of your Lordships ; but we also know that no Bill can be. come a law even with the assent of your Lordships, unless. it receive the assent of the King. We know that the King's assent Is necessary to make a bill an act; .but we also know, that when the two Houses have passed a Bill, the King never does refuse his assent; and that it is clearly understood, that, if be were to refuse it, them would be a state of things such as we could hardly call a con inuation of the Government in its usual form and manner. Now it is well known, it is a fact certain, that the King's assent to this bill is really ; it is well known that, with voice as una nimous as voice of a people can possibly be, the people of Ragland now call fur the passing of this bill; it is also well know, as was before observed, that this bill relates to some. thing which is to be done for the interests of the Commons only; that it is a matter not at all affecting the rights of the Pars; and there is this further thing perfectly well known, th at it is a measure to put an end to certain wrongs committed against the Commons by usurpations, horn a participation in which some of the Peers have not been wholly exempt. Think, therefore, my Lords, of the inevitable conclusion. In the mind of every man of sense, which would at once be made in consequence of the rejection of this bill by your lord. ships. Ask yourselves whether the millions would not regard it as an open declaration that you pre ferred your own interest to theirs ; that you looked upon the government and the people as made solely for you, and that you are determined that they should exist for you. Ask yourselves this question : say what would be the an. ewer to that question : pronounce the afibmative of it, and then say what would be the decision of the people upon hearing that answer. I am of opinion, from everything that 1 have seen and have heard, mat the rejection of the bill by your lordships woul.l produce no coovuhion in the country ; no general commotion ; but lam well satisfied that it would produce that which has been so long talked of; that which has been talked of ever since the memorable declaration of the Duke of Wellington spinet all reform whatsoever ; namely, a legal refusal to pay the direct taxes. But a few days ago, the great pariah of Mary-le-bonne came to the resolution not to pay rates until a reform took place in the vestry of the parish. This is the natural and quiet course. Men do not resist • but the e ff ect of their refusal is the same as if they resisted. There is no violence exer cised ; there is nothing illegal done or propounded; the law is strictly obeyed ; because the law has provided, that, if the mau do not pay, his goods shall be distrained and sold, in order to satisfy the demand of the ax-gatherer. It has happened to me to have applications from many parts of the country, and one very recently, to give the w = cants information how they are to proceed in to pay the direct taxes. My answer has been, and my answer to this recent application now is, Obey the law; pay. or quietly suffer your effects to be taken and sold.— Now, my, Lords, 1 will not attempt to deseribe to you the immediate effects of this mode of showing the people's dim approbation of the rejection of the Reform 11111- 1/. wig net attempt to describe to you how readily men are induced to do that which is so conforn:ab e with their present convent. ence,and necessities ; how speedily the example travels from house to house. from parish to parish, from musty to county ; I will not attempt to describe the situ*n of the Government at the end of a month from the begiening of scences such as will present themselves to the WWI of every man in the kingdom, higb or low, who had net taken leave of his senses. In such to ease, all fates is unavoidable; it Is a whole people being ef oat mind, and acting hum one motive; and • denim is no force, be it of what nature:it nigh' 'feeble of controlling men when thus animated and does acting. In the meanwhile, the passions of men would be excited s they would think of things that they newer dingle of ha fore the combinations of various description, she clubs, the associations, the unions, that have already has crossed by what Castlereagh insolently called " the ispowang iw times of feasttioss," would be augmented in number sod ' prodigiously increased in point of strength. Their ryas be directed to oat object only s the dioramas of men In every part of the country would dart towards one ' single point, and that poise :would be your Loedships, it would be impossible, in such a state a Iringa r that the question, so eguently agitated in the whether an heredisry chamber of legislate.. wise 4111. sirable or otherwise; it would be impossible thee this mtoott should not be agitated from one ead of ihe to she other; and, with this groat. "Wedelns sago to your Lordebipe, that all the avant. la; your favour, which are many and powers* and "Mk when amt.'s minds me cool, have great weight, end fetid to, a desalts in favour of each an,leadtudas.would booms ea nopeyokr that aceretly s man would Imbued to doe Opai shwa dewed. Its be in min re my that asima. hao Am, for ago gos, for sat ato after calm, ihe greatest, the freest, the happiest country in the woad ; that her people have been the most industrious; her merchants and traders most famed for their integrity, her soil the seat of the best living, the best manners, and the best mstalsl and that all this hat been under a government of Well , the peers have formed one btanch out of three. It would bait vain to remind men of this—in vain t o remind them that the laws grown toget h er under t his government ale those very law s w hi c h t h e A mer icans, upon &Wisin g their independe nce , hound their future rulers never to deprive them of ! i t wou ld b e i n va i n to rem ind men that, even in that country, a second chamber his been' erected, somewhat approaching. in its powers, to the powers of this House of Peers t it would be in vain to call upon men to take care not to pull down that which had so long subsisted, that d2r which such ages of happiness and of glory hove been enjoyed. All this, at the present moment. and at any moment when men were cool, might be urged with not only a fair chance, but with a certainty, of produ cing a conviction ; but, at a time when all men's minds would be heated, filled with nothing but a knowledge of their wrongs, and with a resentment against the cause of prevent ing those wrongs from being put an end to, no ar.tument that human ingenuity could devise, or human eloquence could enforce, would avail more than the whistling of the winds. From such a state of things ; from such a suapen. skin of reason and predominance of passion, I Pray your Lordships, by your approaching discussions and decision, to preserve yourselves and our country. If I pray you to remember the fate of the noblesse of Fraoce, those wanderers over the face of the earth, aho might have saved themselves and their sovereign also, had they not been animated with a resolution to preserve ill. gotten power. Their best defender. Burke, relates that, only a few months before their final overthrow, there was not a man in France who would not have treated with con. tempt and scorn a proposition to abrogate the order of nubility. Ido beseech your Lordships to call to mind what he says upon this 'object. There was not a man in France who would not have treated with contempt and scorn any proposition for the making of a change of this description. Yet in a few months the people of France ;with almost una nimous voice, suppreased, legally suppressed, that saute order of nobility ; and mark the cause: between the assent biing of the States General and the suppression of that order, the nobility had turned their faces against tie people; instead of yielding to the reforms which were demanded and become absolutely necessary, they rejected the reforms, and hastened away to join, some of them in arms and some by intrigue, the enemies of those reforms. 131 PERI Al 4 PA R LIAM ENT. HOUSE OF LORDS, SEPT. 16. Lord TENTERDEN moved the second reading of his bill to limit claim. to prescriptive rights. The Bishop of BRISTOL said there was one clause in the bill which he felt to be of importance. It was intended to protect the property of the church; but he thought it would operate es a great hardship. The church as Ire law stood, were allowed to go b►ck to the reign of Richard the Second, to prove custo.ns and numinous for tithes, and the noble and learned lord's bill limited the time to a very short period. His hope was, that the noble lord would consider the point again, and extend the time at least twenty years longer. Lord TENTEIIDEN said the Right Reverend Pre late might suggest any alteration In the Committee, and it would be for the House to approve or reject. —The Bill was then read a second time, and committed for Thursday next. SPRING GUYS. Viscount MELBOURNE laid on the table the bill of which he gave notice yesterday, to repeal part of an act passed in the late reign, which makes the setting of spring guns in any other place than the dwelling-house a misde. meanour. The bill introduced by the no:,le viscount was to allow tile setting of spring guns and men traps in certain places, to the protection of property. As the Act in existence oast passed upon a feeling of humanity, the noble viscount thought it necessary, in repealing any part of it, to prevent misrepresenation and misconstruction, by stating the object of the bill. Their lordship must be aware that during last autumn there did prevail a crime of an atrocious systematic character. He alluded to the crime of setting fire to that species of property *which it was the object of the bill to protect. The crime of arson had not the excuse which might be urged in other offences. It was not to enrich one individual at the expence of another. In general it was to answer no other purpose than the gratification of diabolical malignancy. Their lordships knew In many instances that the crime might be committed without risk of discovery. One individual might gratify his malice, and if he ma• naged the acts of an incendiary with dexterity, no traces would be left to bring him to justice. The crime being so easy of perpetration, it became necessary to take mesas to protect property, and for that purpose the bill he had the honour to present was offered to their lordships. The provisions of the bill would authorise two justices of the peace to grant'a license to any owner or occupier of premises who shell apply for the same to set spring guns and man traps in barns, out houses, buildings, or enclosures, having within it any stack of corn, grain, hay, or any agricultural produce. This was the intention of the bill, and it was also provided that notice of setting such spring-guns and man-traps shall be publicly given. It was proposed to make the bill temporary.— It was to last one year, and to the end of the ensuing session of parliament The noble viscount knew that some of the ob. jections to spring guns mig ht apply to this bill, but the pre. sent state of society made t necessary to sustain some incon venience in order that an important advantage might be gained. Increase of crime unfortunately increased the evils to which the public were at all times exposed. The noble viscount concluded by moving, the bill be read the first time. It was accordingly read the first time, and ordered to be read a second time on Monday. ar the motion of the Earl of ROSSLYN the bill re. gulating the law relating to turnpike roads in Scotland, was read the second time. The LORD CHANCELLOR then renewed the hear ing of appeals, and adjourned at the usual hour. HOUSE OF COMMONS. Colonel EVANS presented a petition from the National Reform Association of Bloomsbury, praying the house to address his blejesty.to send forth his fleets for the deliver ance of Poland. Colonel EVANS also presented a petition from Cranbrook, praying that the oppression with which Mr. and Mrs. Dead. had been treated might be inquired into. The case had ex. cited a strong feeling in the country, and he thought govern. meat and the house would feel it expedient to take some procteding in consequence. Mr. WILES said he must concur in the general senti. went of abhorrence that was excited throughout the court ! try at the conduct used towards Mrs. Deaele ; he was con. &lent something must be done to appease the public feeling. Mt. HARVEY said the parties who defended the con duit of the actors in that transaction in that house, stated that it was 'hair downinatiow to apply to the ourt of tines Bench foe a new trial ; that could not be done till next term ; and if It was not then done, he hoped the sub. ject would be brought again before the house,as certainly it would require 101110 proceedings to be nby that house. Mr. O'CONNELL mid he had petitions to present on the same subject, from Wingham, In Kent, and from Wol. verhampton. It appeared to have excited a degree of inter est in the country infinitely beyond what be should have calculated on. He supposed the parties whose conduct was Impeached would apply to the Court of King's Bench for a new trial, If not, the subject must be brought under the consideration oeparliament. Mr. FERGUSON thought the feeling excited in the country by the trammed= was highly honourable to the character of the country ; bat it was nemeesary to abstai n frum any p rocee di ngs i n t h at H ouse t ill Mr. Baring shoul bare the opportunity of making application to the Court of King's Bench for a new trial. Mr. F. PALMS.* biped that inquiries would be pro. ceeded with ; but the situation of danger in which the Ma gistrates were placed, should be taken into consideration. He knew nothi ng of tlacuswies clo th e ease, but what was stated in that House. Mr. LAMB hoped the eiswereadonlwAuld not pressed as if the question was to be besught bsfbw Mr Hew, It should apt be titillated by peelimbasydiemmiese. F. BAElNO.aahlr ihe earimatians he was given 1 on a fames accedes he ming Mead( se what was abet). lately necessety; and beget the should not be again gone Into till the mem rims eine. Colons} KVA NS pecaseted a *Wm petition (rum Ly. flia rf. VlMAKi..jes eyed** kern the me. retwaroier &Do& leargklatag titer the Jtail. mimed Abe seasialkies M take away tbs nift.pbm beat the4weleibege i sod Freita g , If they were to be derived a/ all their anneentsam, that the dice box and cards, and bunting boots, cap, and whip, might be takes from the reverend magistrates. /Ile. NORTH presented a petition fron4th4leasterof the Rolls in Ireland, complaining that the Lord Mena Roe, by an order of his court, prevented him from appointing a se. cretary, or trying his right to do so at law • and praying that an act might be passed to remove the legal bar that pre. vented the trial of that right In a court of law. Mr. CRAM PTON (lioneitor-General for Ireland) said, the Master of the Rolls in Ireland never had a secretary—the secretary of the Lord Chancellor was the secretary of both the Court of Chancery and the Rolls Court. The Lord Chan cellor had Doobjection to the Master of the Rolls appointing a secretary, but he did object to that secretary charging a fee, either to be taken from the suitors, or from the secretary of the Lord Chancellor. He did not think it was a case in which the house would think it necessary to interfere, as neither the suitors in the Court nor the public were interested in the question. Mr. O'CONNELL supported the prayer of the petition. Nu man, however exalted, should interpose his authority to prevent the trial of a right. He was convinced the Master of the Rolls had a right, and was only prevented from establish • hog it in a court of law by the order of the Chancellor. Mr. KNIGHT supported the petition. Mr. FERGUSON supported the petition. Sir R. PREL said, he believed it was almost the unani. mous opinion of the House, that the prayer of the petition should be complied with, and the Master of the Rolls be allowed to try his right in a Court of law. If the panic; themselves would agree to have the right tried by &compe tent tribunal, it would be much better than any direct inter ference by the House. Mr. Sergeant IVILDE thought the claim of the Master of the Rolls should be put in a course of a legal trial, and if any obstruction was thrown in the way by one of the p:irties, the Howie should interfere (or its removal. 111 e. LEFHOV supported the prayer of the petition, and hoped the manner in which it was received by the House might make any further proceeding on the part of the house unnecessary. Sr CHAR LRS WETHRRELL thought the question might be tried in various ways, and if it could not be tried without consent, the Lord Chancellor was bound to give that consent ; but if an Act of Parliament were necessary it should be passed for such an important purpose. Mr. CA MPBRLL supported the prayer of the petition. Mr. SHAW opposed the petition. Mr. NORTH replied. The petition was ordered to be printed. Lord ALTHORP moved that the house, on its rising, adjourn till Monday next.—Agreed to. The house resolved itself into a Committee of the whole house on the grant for the inland• works in Ireland. On a verbal amendment being put in one of the clauses, Mr. GOULBURN rose to oppose the bill, on account of its object being to appoints board of Commissioners to con. duct the Board of Works, the duties of which were precisely the same as those which were vested in the Commissioners of Inland Navigation. He thought it a harsh proctmling to discharge these Commissioners, who had no claim for an perannuation, merely for the sake of appointing others of the nomination of this government. It was a question of public principle. He thought it was the duty of the government to retain the present Commissioners, and he moved as an amendment that three of the present directors of the Inland Navigation be inserted in the bill. Mr. 8. RICE deprecated the unworthy objects that the hon. gentleman (Mr. Goulburn) had attributed to the go vernment. The right hon. gentleman treated the charges with a great deal of humour, and esplained that the object of the bill was to abridge the number of officers. by throwing the duties of four boards Into one bused, and of course would rather abridge than otherwise the government patronage. The object of the bill was to bring all the estimates under the public eye. The right hon. gentleman knew that, under his administration, estimates were not always to be depended upon. (A laugh.) They were not looking out for economi cal arrangements, that would be more expensive by superan nuation., as bad been the case when the bon. gentleman him self had proposed by way of economy, to grant a superannua tion to sons of peers, and which had been opposed by the house. The right hon. gentleman then stated that the three Commissioners who had been appointed, were one an officer of eminence in the engineers, who gave up a larger emolu ment, and the other two, were one of them of the Board of i inland Navigation, who had been appointed by the honour. able gentleman himself; and the other had also held em. ployment under the former Government. He trusted he bad rebutted all the groundless charges of the hon. gentleman. (Ike was loudly cheered.) GOULBURN said be had stood up on public prin. ciple to contend that any public officers who should be dis charged without fault were entitled to a provision of super. annuation. Mr. STANLEY thought all the ameedons and insinua tions of the honourable gentleman had bum answered most satisfactorily both to the house and the main. (Iless)— The right honourable gentleman della the issisdseM Or the honourable gentleman. He (Mr. /sadist) W Mel responsible for the appointment of Mr. Heidi', but, open his honour as a gentleman, he had never sees lee up is that time. He had from experience seen that the cabling boards had been guilty fer extravagant expenditure, and win they were comelidating kw beards with *ft *stillest& it better to swim mums to superintend the slims who had not been musecsed will the firmer basalt They bid appointed throe weindwienses to de the Amy of seem, by which the salaries seism wail be saved. Mr. HOU L BURN ex Mr. STANLEY Hp= He had forgotten to state that he had requested the Commiesionere to retain all the inferior Wiesen new atiit meritorious character, in road d essiag s ar Mr. 0. DA 111Wt ....... hebi1l was altogether unneces sary, and be Goghs it bed been introduced merely for a parade of menemp. Way of the most extensive works had bees pined mar Cis wilesimses who were unpaid ; and be objected is dm appeinement et a new baud, as be dies.% paid Ommiwiesses wan voisaistary. Mr. H U ME rem ee express his mashies to the Bill, net upon the gemmed. that bad been dimmed to by Iron. members. wiped to their serving disk Mends, he was very mock tit&hiame. ad if they were act deist very reverie ; for, so far distingulehing between and enemies, he thought as diem sew wee a set of men wiaaat on the ministerial bashes who had 'been less dissdieisndw is that particular; awl h wee a 'matter of doubt to blot, who. ther or not they maid, acting en the same forbemwee, be abb to accomplish *pest mama thcy had undertaken. They were far toe dimes e and he wished that instead of taking the advice stilt insfules, they world act from their own judgment, mai use keep about them enemies—aye, Lord Lieutenants of Ossaties, who would bead meetings in opposition to the Homemsent aid the people.--(Cries of " Oh, the Morning Cdrealeis.") Aye, he bad his in. formation from that piper, and be sets glad that it had been exposed. But it was not on that account be opposed the Bill; he opposed it on specific grounds. He considered that the sums devoted to Imbed might be placed at the disposal of the Coninsissiesers of Public Works, who sat in Londoo, and who pedantic& their duties gratuitously. There wottld be den, besides the saving of the salary given to the Dublin Commiesioases, a communhy drub for Eng. land and Ireland. Aher a few weeds hew Sir 3. Nurses?, Mi. 00111 L• sour, and other hon, members, the clause wader sadder. aim was agreed to with verbal ameadesente. Mr. HU AIR objected es dome 114, 'hi* at grand juries to booms sow hem the Tammy is an of public works, sad to repay the sent bile mune of , ten years by Ise*g en die mantles sae teeth of die leans annually. The WA, glees ea disjoins., aiming Widens os t eon, by quoin thew throngh ten yew, wadi had prealgsee ezpendlives sad es a system et Abbrs. , Ho sho uld, move move de minim of dm 'keen Mr. SPRING RIM 'mid the ended= of the dews would reader the bid beepsestive. Air. O'CONNILL opposed, and Mr. DAWSON esp. r ported the clause. Mr. SH CIL mid there were several cheeks es the grand jury before it obseined a loan ; the object of expenditure must have the modem ot the commissioners, of the engineer, and of the treasury. Mr. NUMB wool contest himself with wing that the d juries should have the power of buldening counties grand r n only Ike years, awed, of the leen being repaid an. puny. instead of one4ssth. Mr. D. W. HARYRY said, the persons who teemed the Grand Jaeria Possessed pert of the property a the county, and tlaw being co a ome i z i tly subject to its burdens, would be 'ou in extravagant ezpanditurs. He esw 'Mend the peolenistion et the time et repayment a baulk. Be llPPrlnoll of the tibias et the bill, whieb was to • the pest detect stlrelsad, the west of by itl versos et money in fambeennee of Instal After a few words from Lam Mr. CALLAGHAN aid ;Gee bers, Mr. WISE said, that the Ministers would be compelled le change the Grand Jury system—to give the people what they had the undoubted right to possess, the taxing cf O tt . selves. Mr. LEFROY deluged the grand jury system, mar ~ mining that it did not deserve the opprobrium attempted is be thaws an it. Mr R. PULL leered that there could not very speedily 1., any allbethe at the grand jury system, and that ii should view with any lavish expenditure by suds alttbalta Mr. ANLET tlteled v that he had a bill ready to pre. sent on dm subjects( die pewees et grand juries in Ireland, which be peeves& M iatroduse saw with the vi ew of cot. letting lbs 'Oaks et Ireland respecting it. As to the pre. sent WM, k odd not fail to be ; and the power, ~f the Onnenksbaers were tied up as eenuple . t!ly as they c ou ld be. against tt Except the right hen. teems *Would . be st the grant by way Olean altogetbse. be did not we how this bill could be opposed. Mr. HUMS said he edit thought that the Committee would act wisely in rejecting this clause altogether. Mr. SHICIL said the Bill was an improvement of the la►. for it by no means increased the powers of the grand juries. It would be better to lodge the power in 23 Commissioners, consisting of known gentlemen. and who would in reality be taxing themselves. He considered that the whol: value of the Bill would be lost if this clause were rejected ; it would act as a check on grand juries. (Hear.) Mr. CALLAGHAN declared that the bill was a del u. don upon the public. It was a delusion to represent that these monies were expended for the public benefit. Mr. HUNIE contended that it was delusive to think o: benefiting Ireland by such means. The gallery was then cleared for a division on Mr. Hume% amendment. The numbers were— For it Against it 102 Majority 89 As strangers were being admitted to the Gallery, another division took place, as was understood, regarding the interen to be paid upon loans made under the bill, namely, whether the interest to be charged should be five or four per cent. the former being the rate mentioned in the clause. For the amount proposed Against it Majority for Ministers Stveral other clauses were agreed to. and the House hay. ing resumed, the report was ordered to be received on Wednesday next. WATERLOO-BRIDGE NEW-.TWEET BILL. On the motion of Mr. Bilk., the above Bill was read a third time, and passed. The other orders of the day were then disposed of, and the House adjourned at a Quarter-past Two o'Cloek. FOREIGN INTELLIGENCE. --_ _l7! • HAMBURGH MAIL-RECHIVFII THIS MORNING. FROM THE FRONTIERS Or HUNGARY, SEP TEMBER I.—The dreadful scenes insane counties of Hungary, are now put an end to by the inter ference of the military, and those guilty of them receive the punishment of their crimes. Yet great as is the guilt of those individuals, and great as their punishment may necessarily be, they are to be pitied as having been deluded though by their own fault. The suspicion that the cholera was caused by poisoning the wells was universal among the peasantry of Zips and Zemplin, and every one was fully convinced of its truth. The first occa sion arose in Kluknow, where, It is said, some peasants died through taking the preservatives whether by an immoderate use of medicine, or whether they thought they were to take chlorate of lime internally, is not known. This story, with the sudden and violent breaking out of the cholera at Kluknow, led the peasants to a notion of the poisoning of the wells, which spread like lightning. In the sequel, upon the attack of the estate of Count Cuki, a servant of the chief bailiff, was on the point of being murdered, when, to save his life, be offered to disclose something important : he said that he received from his master two pounds of poisonous powder,with orders to throw it into the wells, and with an axe over his head took an oath publicly in the church to the truth of his statement. These circumstances, and the fact that the peasants when they forcibly entered the houses of the landowners everywhere found chlorate of lime, which they took for the poisonous powder, confirmed their suspi cions, and drove the peo ple to madness. In this state of excitement they committed the most ap palling excesses. Thus, for instance, when a de tachment of 30 soldiers headed by an ensign, at tempted to keep order in Kluknow, the peasants, who were ten times their number, fell upon them ; the soldiers were released, but the ensign was bound, tortured with scissors and knives, then be headed, and his head fixed on a pike as a trophy. A civil officer, in company with the military, was drowned, his carriage broken to pieces, and chlorate of lime being found in the carriage, one of the servants was compelled to eat it till he 'o mitted blood, which again confirmed the notion of poison. On the attack of the house of the Lord at Kloknow, the Countess saved her life by the most piteous entreaties; but the chief bailiff, in whose house chlorate of lime was unhappily found, a as killed, together with his son, i little daughter, a clerk, a maid, and two students, who boarded with him. So the bands went from village to vil lage; a herever a nobleman or physician was found, death was his lot ; and in a abort time, it was known that the High Constable of the county of Zemplin, several Counts, nobles, and parish priests had been murdered. A Clergyman was hanged because he refused to take an oath that he bad thrown poison into the wells; the eyes of the Countess were put out, and innocent children cut to pieces. Count Csaky having first ascettained that his family was safe, Bed from his estate at the risk of his life, but was stopped et Kirchtrauf, pelted with stones, sad wounded all over, torn from his horse, and only saved by a worthy merchant who fell on him crying, " Now I have got the rascal," He drew the Count into a neighbouring convent, where his wounds were dressed, and a refuge afforded him. The Secretary wbo accom panied him was struck from hie horse with an axe, but saved in a similar manner, and in the evening conveyed with his mastertoLentschau. The steward of Count Csaki was killed, his chief bailiff found thrown on the ground and half beaten to death, after which be was dragged to a smithy, bound to a bench, and the soles of his feet burnt with irons which peasant women made red hot. The entrea ties of the wife and sister of the bailiff seemed only to increase the rage of his tormentors. But enough of these horrible scenes. These here men tioned (and they are but a few from the counties of Zips and Zemplin) will suffice, to give an idea of the load rage of a people hitherto keptina ran of ignorance and brutality, as soon as it bursts its fetters for a moment.—dllgemeine Zeitang, Ser ender 9. M umtcm, Sart.. 4.—Tbo King hoe boo pleue 4 to prof the Sodom of the Chambers to the 151 h of . wadi otheowilo Iwo wombats' st and of this mouth. _ _ Sr sty private* awl task* lobelises ANN from& oath memo in the sisty we Klima 1 1 I I I P it w ot lai G DC WI plic the tb. nig 1 ID 1 cc bek in ti