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, ---~-^~ Mr. Lucy. This borough is placed in schedule A. Lord Brudenell is the son of the Bari of Cardigan, and regularly educated and trained as a Tory. BULLER, Sir A. sits for his own, or his relation's bo rough of West Looc. which is most properly placed in sche dule A. The family of the Butlers have always been welt rovided for, by the means of their parliamentary property, in the customs er elsewhere. , a the list of superannuation, ind pensions is found ;athes Boller, retired allowance, as late Commissioner of t .. , t. ins, 10001. per annum. The late Clerk of the Council, deceased, was a Buller, with . .:.«1111V.. a rear. - .... . M'RGE, W. memlwr for Eye, returned by Lieutenant tfer.t.ttil Sir William Kerrison, whose father, having made a itirge fortune by his industry and saving habits, purchased tbi borough of the trustees or representatives of the late Al.ttliiis of Cornwailis, who left no male heir. Mr. Burge lit id a legal situation in Jamaica. and represents the West ir.ttia interests of that island ; opposing the abolition of •virit as their agent. IluanAitn, G. membp.• for Lirmington, is returned by hir con'in. Admiral Sir Harry Burrtird Neale, whose heir he is : he is, or was. a Lieutenant in the army. Lymington stand:: in schedule B. (Ta he continued.) - ! PER IA L PARLIAMENT. HOUSE OF 1.0 R - 133, A Lour: 3. Mr. Pan war,, accompanied by several members of the House of Commons, brought up the Enclosing Lands' Bill, •0111 several private bills. The Marquis of WEST3IEATH presented a petition trom the landowners of the county of Carlow, against the Grand Jury Assessment Laws. The noble marquis agreed with the petitioners, as m the oppressive . nature of those laws. ?Ha aril BILL. The Bishop cf LONDON presented a petition from the Clergy of Chester and Lancashire, against the Beer Bill. The petitioners stated that they wi:nessed with concern the lamentable consequences that attended this measure. The Petition was signed by fifty clergymen, and several li censed publicans. The Right Reverend Prelate bore testi mony to the respectability of the clergymen who had signed the Petition, in the prayer of which the Clergy of London agreed. The Bishop of LONDON presented three Petitions from Members of the Established Church, in Doncaster and i.ther places, praying for greater facilities under the Church Building Act. REFORM. Earl GREY presenteda - petltlOn from the bachelors of arts in the University of Cambridge, in favour of parlia. mentary reform. The noble earl presented several petitions to the same effect from various places in England; and srvcral petitions trotn Cork, and other places in Ireland, in favour of the introduction of poor laws into Ireland; against the grant to the Eildare.street Society; and that the Roman Catholics should have a controul over the education grants. The Earl of CARLISLE presented a petition from the inhabitants of the city of Exeter, praying a mitigation of the renal code. TUE DOCIMS Or KENT. The order of the day was read for taking into consideration the King's message. Earl GREY said that he tom, in pursuance of the notice be had given, to take into consideration his Majesty's message, recnn:mending an adequate provision for her Royal Highness the Duchess of Kent and the Princess Victoria. I litherto the allowance was rot adequate to their maintenance. When he adverted to the situation of the Duchess of Kent, as the mother of the heir to the Throne, or to the situation of the Princess Victoria, who, an all human probability, would become Sovereign of this Kingdom, no question could be entertain ed as to o necessity of granting such an allowance to support the high situation those Princesses may be called upon to fill. Her Royal Highness the Duchess of Kent had filled her high station in such a manner as to give sada :action to the country, both as a wife and a mother. The grant would originate in the other House of Parliament, but when it would come before their lordships, he (Earl Grey) was sure it would meet with their approval. It was usual for their lordships to express their readiness to concur and carry into full effect the object recommended to their lord ships. The noble earl concluded by moving an address, expressive of their lordships' determination to concur and give effect to his Majesty's most gracious Message. After some conversation between the Earl Rosalyn, the Lord Chancellor, and Earl Grey, as to some inaccuracy in the address, respecting the omission of the term Royal High ness, instead of the word Highness, as applied to the Prin cess Victoria, The address was agreed to. TOO coot: OF CHMICIOLY. The LORD CHAN C ELLOR said that he deemed it his duty to bring to a Bill to remedy delay in the Court of Chancery, which was rendered necessary, in consequence of the existing constitution of that Court rendering it neces sary that all affidavits should be read before the Seal ; and the Bill which he proposed was a short Bill, to allow affi davits to be read after the Seal as before, which would enable his Lordship to expedite the dispatch of business In the Court. In consequence of the determination he had come to, and to get through the arrears of the business of that Court, very little remained to be done ; but there were p arties who were anxious to take advantage of every informality in older to procrastinate the proceedings; and with a view to defeat those efforts to create delay ; he trusted that their Lordships would assist the Court to get rid of the formality of not reading affidavits after the Seal day, which would expedite the administration of justice. The bill only contained two lines, and if their Lordships were of opinion that expedition was essential to the admi nistration of justice, their,Lordships would agreed in the cx. pcdiency of the bilL The bill was read a first time. and ordered to be read a second time to-morrow. The LORD CHANCELLOR gave notice of his inten tion to move the suspension of the Standing Orders to-mor row, in order to expedite the passing of the Bill. The Marquis of LONDONDERRY inquired of his jeNty's Ministers, if any instruction had beta sent to the 1.3% al or mili.ary authorities at Plymouth, to receive Donna Atari& as Queen of Portugal. It was three years since Donna M!.•ria heti Leen in this country ; circumstances had taken lioce in Portugal since that period, which in his judgment r quired that this c..untry should exercise great caution as to the course ~he pursued. lie repeatc-d bs question. Earl 6 BEY said that he did nut consider the answer he cot,:ti give mould throw any light on the motion the Noble iarqttis intrudtd to bring forward. He did not know what instrt.c.ionb were given upon the subject, or that any were given. On the tr.otion of the Bishop of LONDON, the report of he church building act was received, and the bill ordered tt. 'cc read a third time to-morrow. Tie House aijourned at a quitter to six to this day. HOUSE OF COMNIONS. The O'Cottxott Dox took the oaths and his seat. '..r. O'CONNELL presented five petitions from different pa , :s of Ireland, against the Kildare-street Society ; one :tont Clara, in the King's County, cer.plaining of the Grand Jury tzystem ; one from the letter-press printers in site city of Du t lin, fur a Repeal of the Union ; another to the tan:e effect, from the cotton dy ers of Dublin. On the motion of Dlr. O'CONNELL, a return was or• doted of the Lumber of vettels rthich entered the Port of Cork for the last 15 years; alto the amount of imports and exports to and from Cork, for the sante period. Mr. RUTH VEIS pretenttd a petition from Galway, ; raying that the:Roman Catholic* of that town should, be vi.ced in the same situation, with regard to the elective fron t :toe, u the Protestuts. The hon. member then niovcd ter a return of the Lumber ut Roman Catholic freemen hived into the =palmitin of Galway since the let of April, 183 I.—Agreed to. Sir C. CI: 0 0TE presented a petition from the Queen's Fumy, for a Repeal of the Cnion and Reform in Perlis 'lament. lie should give his decided opposition to the for. lIIKT measure, if introduced in that House. Mr. J W Y E took that opportunity of stating that there was a strong spirit rising in the Queen's County against the tithe opium. He pressed on the house the necessity of adopt. ill: some measure speedily, to obviate the insubordination winch was growing throughout that county, by remedying the ctils complained of in the tithe system. 31r. .1. 11 0011 presented a petition from Mr. Carlile, cott.plaitiing of the mode in which justice. was administered to the Law Courts. The petition set forth the circumstances attending several trials before the Re. corder, in which Carina was concerned. The honourable member observed. that if the allegations contained in the l,etitiim were correct, it became the duty of the house to it,butt.te an inquiry into the subject. The petitioner com plained of the wide in which the Recorder treated the jury which tried him last, and stated that they wire bullied by the Recoeda, and induced by him to give a verdict against the petitionet, sun having been in dellbetation for several hoot. The hon. member, in conclusion, observed that a petition containing such pose charges against the Recorders should not be allowed to lie oo the table aoudad. Mr. HUNT regretted drat noila - rit the members for the City oill.ondes were present, while such a charge was made 'against the Recorder of London. There was a panda at the Old Bailey of counsd and the judges dining and drink ing at the public expense. He saw counsel returning from some of these feasts in a state which rendered them unfit to defend prisoners. He thought this a fit subject for a committee. Mr. CRAMPTON conceived that the reason why none of the City Members were present was, because they did not expect that such a petition would come on so early. Mr. J. WOOD presented a petition from some part of Lancashire, complaining of Magistrates stopping up bye- roads and private paths, to the great inconvenience of the neighbours. Sir G. CLERK presented three petitions from Edinburgh, and othtr parts of Scotland, against the introduction of mo. boors into breweries ; one from distillers. complaining of the abuses practi-ed in consequence of the drawback duties on spirits by the 4th of Geo. IV, and praying that the duty in question be abolished. Mr. O'CONNELL observed, that the Scotch distillers derived much benefit from the drawback duty, which was not the case with the Irish distillers. Sir G. CLERK presented a petition from the county of Peebles, complaining that by the proposed measure of Re form they were to be deprived of one of their Members- They saw no reason fur such a course. The population ti eeed.tl 10,000. and several places having a mute limited population were to have two Members. On the motion of the same Mon. Minima, certain re. turns were ordered respecting the quantity of foreign spirits imported during the last year. Mr. FERGUSON presented a petition from Burnt. island, in Fifeshire, against the use of molasses in breweries. Mr. W ILKS presented a petition from an individual in Lincolnshire, against the Game Laws. Lord 510EPETH presented a petition from the West Riding of the county of York, signed by 90 clergymen, complaining of the New Beer Bill. Mr. HUNT was sorry to see so many Petitions on this abject horn clergymen and magistrates. It was better to have beer houses open than drive the poor to gin shops. Mr. STRICKLAND approved of these beer shops. He thought that the complaints made respecting them were ill founded. Those who went to the beer shops would go to gin shops, if there were no other convenience. If any at tempt was made in that House to put down the beer shops, be should oppose it. Lord MORPETH begged to be understood as not adv.- eating the repeal of the Beer Bill. The Noble Lord then presented a Petition from Huddersfield, against shorten. ing the hours of labour in factories • another front the West Riding of Yorkshire, to a contrary effect ; and one from the parish of Newtown Smith, in the county of Galway,respest. ing the Galway franchise. Captain GORDON took that opportunity of asking the Secretary fur Ireland, whether the government had any knowledge of a murder lately committed by a priest in des west of Ireland ? The circumstances of it were already be. the public. It appeared that this priest, having killed one of his parishioners by a blow of a bar, had fled, and those who witnessed the murder refused to give evidence be rme the Coroners inquest. He likewise wished to know if the government had learned where the priest fled to. Mr. STANLEY! was ready to give such information as the government had received. It was certainly a fact, that while a Roman Catholic priest was performing some rites in the house of one of his parishioners, some persons assembled outside and created confusion, and the consequence was, that the priest killed one of them with the blow of a stick, and then fled. This happened on the 17th; in, two days after wards a coroner's inquest was held, consisting of five Catho lics and seven Protestants. They returned a verdict, that he died from a blow given by some moon unknown. The fact was, there was no evidence against the priest, yet he fled, though there was no information against him. Since he escaped the government had got no information respecting him. Mr. O'CONNELL rose to know why the Coronet did not commit those persons who refused to swear before him ? Mr. STANLEY read a statement of the facts from a paper, which appeared he received from some of the au thorities who attended the inquest. The conclusion stated that some of the witnesses refused to answer, notwithstand ing that they had been committed by the Coroner. To a question by Sir IL BATEsow, Mr. STANLEY replied that it was not the intention of Government to make any alteration respecting the Regius Donsum in Ireland. Mr. 3IULLINS wished to know if it was the intent on of Government to dismiss any of the police concerned In the Castlepollard affray? Mr. STANLEY declined to answer the question. He understood that the acquittal of the police had created no sensation in that country. What the Government might do after the acquittal of the massed, he was not now pro ' pared to say. Mr. O'CONNELL presented a petition from an indivi dual, complaining of the regulations in the post office in Dublin. Mr. STANLEY observed that the Irish Post-office was , under the control of the Postmaster-General, to whom he would submit the petition. Mr. O'CONNELL did not see why the late Secretary of the Post-office in Dublin should have been removed to Scot lend. There were no complaints while Sir Edward Lees resided. Mr. S. RICE knew as a fact, that several money letters bad been lost heretofore. PRINCESS VICTORIA. On the motion of Lord ALTIIOIP. the house resolved itself into a Committee to consider the King's Blesage. Lord ALTHORP apprehended that there would be no difference among gentlemen in that house, respecting the pro priety of making a suitable provision for the heir presump tive to the throne. Hitherto the provision made for her was very trifling. On the birth of the Princess Charlotte of Wales an annuity of 8,0001. was settled on her for her maintenance ; in a few months afterwards 9,0001. weregranted to her out of the consolidated fund; 34,7771. were afterwards granted to her out of the Droits of the Admiralty, making in all 43,7771. within 10 years, exclusive of her annuity of6oool. amounting on an average to 10,0001 a-year for the first 10 years. In 1825,a provision was made for the Princess Vic tons ; 6000 L altar was granted to the Duchess of Kent fot her education ; at the same time 6,0001. more were settled on the Duchess hi rself. What he now proposed was that 10.0001. more be granted to the Duchess of Kent for the maintenance of the Princess Victoria, making in all 22,0001. a-year. The honour of the country . required that the Ink presumptive to the throne should receive a suitable education and maintenance; and be felt sure that no Hon. Member would object to a proposal which was necessary to support her dignity and comforts. The Noble Lord concluded by moving a resolution that 10,0001. a-year be paid out of the Treasury to the Duchess of Kent. The question having been put, Mr. HUNT was surprised that such a proposal should emanate from ministers, who were pledged to economy. The Noble Lord should take into consideration the diffe- 1 race in the value of money now, and when•the grant was Princess made for the Charlotte. Had he been in the House ellen the Queen's dowry bill catne under consideration, be should have opposed it. He should now move that instead of 10,0001. 5,0001. a year be granted for the Princess Victoria. Sir F.BURDETT regretted that any objection should be made to so moderate a proposal. The proposed grant was little enough for the education of a person of the rank of' the Ptinci.ss. The grant would certainly not enable her to live in splendour. He did not see how any person could have any other feeling than that this was little enough fur the ob ject for which it was proposed. He hardly knew that it was creditable to this country that the Duchess of Kent should he in part depending on the bounty of her brother lat terly. Her conduct, and that other brother on the occasion, were highly praiseworthy. He was surprised at the objec tion made by the hon. member for Preston. The situation of the Duchess of Kent (being so limited in her circum stances) did no credit to this country. Sir R. PEEL coincided in what fell from the Hon. Baro net. lie thought that the provision proposed was liberal, it the same time it was not too much. The Duchess of Kent was exposed to many claims on account of her station. The conduct of her brother, whilst in this country, in assisting her, was highly creditable. He was satisfied that a great deal of this grant would be expended on charitable objects. He would give It his cordial support, satisfied as he was that it was very moderate. Colonel DAVIES indulged in a high eulogium on the conduct of the Duchess of Kent, sad expressed his satis faction that the country would be very well pleased with the grant. Mr. HUGHES requested of Mr. Hunt to withdraw his motion. Sir 31. W. RIDLEY, in supporting th e grant , took that opportunity of suggesting to the noble lord the propriety of - having the name of the Felucca Victoria chased. He ...... thought that if she was called Elisabeth, it would met with the approbation of the country. (I.**o 4 o_ Mr. 9'CONNELL and Mr. AUTHVEN Welly sup. grant._ _ _ - ported the After a few ward. from Mr R. INGLIS, Lord A LTHORP felt perfectly satisfied at the mode which the House bad received the proposition. With respect to the proposal of the boo. gentleman (Sir M. W. Ridley), be (Lord Althorp) thought that the county would be as well satisfied with a Queen of the name of Victoria as-st any other name. She certainly might be as well distinguished under one name as another. Alderman WAITH MAN supported the grant. Mr. HUNT felt as much attachment to the Royal Family as any member in that house; but he did not deem It a proper feeling to give so much to an individual when waren were starving in the north of England. He would persevere with his motion. Mr. W. TAYLOR observed that it was an Invidious as. lodation to connect the Duchess of Kent with the weavers of the North. The Duchess of Kent was too well known to require an advocate in that house. Mr. PROTHE ROE felt much satisfaction in supporting the vote. He was sa►isfed that his constituents would be • well pleased with it. The House then divided, when there appeared For the amendment 0 For the grant Mr. HUNT, being a teller, did not count. On our admission to the gallery, Mr. WYNNE was die emoting a question respecting the Deputpeerjeant abutting the door, and preventing Members from coming in while the House was dividing. A great deal of desultory observations arose on this subject, which was dropped, without the house coming to any conclusion respecting the propriety of it. The grant was then agreed to. The Chairman progress, and the house resumed. On the question re tra r t t rhe house resolve itself into a com mittee on the reform bin, Lord ELLIOT took that opportunity of asking the noble Lord (Palmerston) certain questions respecting Belgium.— He was well acquainted with the Netherlands, and had an =unity of knowing a great deal respecting her internal The noble lord then referred to the circumstances attending elle revolution in Belgium, and the negotiations which had been carried on between the high powers respect ing it. He did not know if the noble lord was aware of the effect which these circumstances produced in Holland. He held in his hand extracts from the Belgian newspapers, describing the discontent which prevailed in Holland, on ac count of the proposed demolition of the fortresses. The question which he would ask of the noble lord was, whether he had any objection to the production of all papers relating to the negotiations respecting Belgium. Lord PALMERSTON could not conveniently lay be fore Parliament any other papers relating to Belgium than those which he had already laid on the table. The reason why the Government thought it expedient to lay the pro tocol on the table, was in order to do away with some mis apprehension which the Speech of the King of the French gave rise to. Lord ALTHORP gave notice that It was his intention to move on Friday that the House should sit on Saturday. 111,011131 •ILL. The House then resolved itself into a Committee. • On the motion that Greenwich stand part of schedule C. Sir It. PEEL begged to call the attention of the noble lord to the 25th clause, which enabled Commissioners to annex adjoining parishe s to boroughs where the electors fell under SOO. He begged to know if it was intended to empower the Commmissioners to annex adjoining parishes whether the number of electors in the borough amounted to SOO or not. Lotd J. RUSSELL replied, that the 24th clause ex plained that the Commissioners were not to interfere except where the number of electors fell short of 300. Sir R. PEEL could not consent to the enfranchisetnent of Greenwich. Although he thought that there were other places which had a stronger claim than Greenwich, yet for his part he would not then raise any question upon the subject. He had however been surprised to hear that Dept ford. Greenwich, and Woolwich, were to return repro sentatives, for he did not think they could present equally strong claims as Manchester, Birmingham, and Lads. Neither did he think it just, even if they could afford it, to grant so many representatives to the metropolitan districts. But with respect to Deptford, Greenwich, and Wool wich, could it be said that representation was to be given to those places on account of any trade carried on there. It certainly, he thought, could not ; for if these places were to hare members, it would be on the prin. ciple of population alone, and it sneered from the returns that the population of Deptford bid diminished, owing to thi removal - of the docit•yard, while that of Greenwich had increased. The argument drawn front taxation proved that the noble lord absolutely feared the extent to which his measure would go, and he (Sir R. Peel) therefore must ob ject to giving members to those places. The right hon. baronet entered into • detail of the population of the counties of Middlesex and Surrey, which were a town po pulation, and denied that it was fair to give 91 members to the metropolis and its districts. He denied that the bill was founded either upon population or taxation, and it would be perfectly absurd to contend that, as a town increased in population, it ought to have additional members. Liverpool 'had a population of 200,000, and yet it was to return only two Members, and he therefore wished to know why the same principle applied to Liverpool should not be towards the metropolis. (Hear.) The population the boroughs allowed to retain their two Members amounted al together to 132,000, and yet they were to send 16 members, while Liverpool, with a large population, was only to have two. He did not complain of this; for, on the contrary, be thought that population ought not to be the criterion. Birmingham, too, contained a population of 170,000, and still it was not to be entitled to a larger share of representa tion than Melton, which had preserved both its members by an excess of only 10. (Hear.) This being the state of the case, he could not see how one rule was to be applied to large towns and another to the metropolis; foe the metropolis being near the seat of government, on that account possessed advantages over every other place, and therefore really did not require the same degree of repre sentation as places more remotely situate. Vile would be obvious by a reference to Alarylebone, within which parish upwards of 100 members of that house resided. These hon. members had interests in the parish,and ten of them were ac tually members of the select vestry,so that there was no dan. ger that the rights of the people of Marylebone could suffer anything for want of representation. He thought it was absurd to place the metropolitan districts upon a different footing from the boroughs in schedule B, and then giving to the metropolis and its vicinity tea new Members, would entirely destroy that balance which ought to be preserved. 1 he Hon. Member for Middlesex had been sent into that House because of his exertions to control the public expenditure, and in creasing the representation of the metropolis, would have the effect of letting into the House a danocratical influence, which would be opposed to the prerogatives of the Crown ; and this was the ground upon which he should resist giving representation to Greenwich. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER observed that the right hon. baronet had argued the question fairly, but still he (Lord Althorp) could not think that any undue favour had been shown to the metropolis. The only course that could have been was adopted; for if they bad attempted to add those districts intended in future to be treated as boa roughs to those places at present sending members to Parlia ment, they would in effect have disfranchised those districts, and therefore it was they had determined upon allowing fhese districts representation. He denied that their sending members to that house would give any undue influence to the metropolis, and contended, that if they had not adopted such an arrangement, they would not have acted with a just impartiality. But with respect to the borough of Greenwich, it was impossible to deny that both in wealth and population it was entitled to representation. The noble lord, in conclu sion, defended the character damnify gentlemen from the attack made upon them by the right hon. baronet. Sir B. PEEL, in explanation, denied that be meant to say more than that the country gentlemen were less active than the representatives for the towns. A defending garri son was less active than a besieging army. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER replied, that his observations applied to • speech of the right hon. baronet the preceding night. He might have overcharged his statement, but he could not suffer the right boa. baronet's observations to go unnoticed. Mr. H. GURNEY, in a very low cooed voice, contended that, adding to the number of the metropolitan members was most impolitic, and was founded upon a most erroneous rind*. Colonel WOOD observed that Yorkshire and Middlesex were similarly circumstanced in point of population, wealth,' so and intelligence, and therefore ough t to have the same num. bet of representadves. He that the 40s. copyholders would be enfrenchised. This, was convinced, would give general satkfaction : but believing that an undue inter. arena would be exercised if Greenwich were allowed repre. seated" be had no hesitation in declaring that be would vote spin the modish Mr. C. W. WYJIt *might that the ammemmwe was giving to the Inelleydile a might la the repessemladis that it might NM le penams, used eillemded that the Mow of t o ws piembilso was Imams tbm dim of .seamy popeinden. WARRE mai not amsrmis doe aitpolmmins en rani by hem. sesamsea t that became a nimbi/ Ibred en the spot wide his eannehooms, be wadi dwoollm• be awn under their control these V be moiled at a Masao& The hots. gentleman entered into a vindkatise of the county msatbses t and mid that the King's government were taking a just used masenehie course, in giving ',presumed* to the districts metal the metropolis. He had see of seeing mamma deinfigegues returned to represent asses places, for had not =pedalo% peeved that such persons were per fectly powerless in that Reuse. (Hear, (hear.) Mr. Aldennza WOOD rose with reluctance. because he did not wish to retard the measure. The Honourable Alder man entered into a Issdikation of the conduct of these of the citizens of London who met for the purpose of expres.ing their disapproval of a vote given by one et their representa tives. The very same course bad been adopted by a place 100 miles away, and the realm why a meeting of the Liver, of London bad not been camped, was because Gentlemen en'tbat (the Opposition) side of the House had changed their tactics, and were new seeking to enfranchise places which they hoped would hereafter send them back again to Parlia ment s (laughter.) In conclusion, the Honourable Alder man contended that the plan laid down by Government was a wise and prudent one. Lord VA LLETORT observed, that the reason the meeting bad been postponed, as appeared from the Times, was foe the purpose of holding it in terror's* to that house. The Noble Lord reed the resolutions published in the Times, and asked whether, while they were sitting in Committee in that Huuse, it was just or proper to have Committees abe sitting out of doors. Mr. Alderman WOOD denied that they were resolution& Lord VALLETOKT said they were, and that die) were so treated by the Time. Mr. Alderman WAITH MAN was glad to find that the resolutions deserved such attention as the Noble Lord had bestowed upon them, but the Noble Lord bad forgotten to distinguish between the whole and a few members of the constituent body. He had not meddled in the occur. emcee that had taken place in the City, but still he was aware that a very strong feeling did exist, not only in Lon. doe, but all over the country, that six members of that house should have taken up the time of the Committee, and delayed the measure by making as many as 160 speeches.— The honourable Alderman thought that large and populous districts were entitled to have their own representatives, and be should consequently support the motion, that the district of Greenwich should be allowed to return repre sentatives. Lord YALLETORT, in explanation, denied that be at tubed any importance to the resolutions. Mr. HODGES said that the constituency of the pro posed borough would be highly respectable, and sure he was that the members that would be returned for this bo rough would be also highly respectable. He presented • petition from Greenwich, praying for a restoration of this borough, and he need therefore hardly say that the proposi tion before the House had his most cordial approbation. Sir C. WETHERELL maid that the hon. Alderman be• hind him argued one way, and meant to vote another. He agreed with an hon. gentleman behind him that the man. ben who would be returned for the borough before the House would be demagoguery but he disagreed with him when be said they would be gentlemen demagogues. He thought they would be the very antipodes of gentlemen. (A d laugh.) He objected to the number of Item. bets connected with the metropolis being in creased ; because, by the number being increased, a for midable body, a metropolitan union, would be constantly kept up In that house for specific purposes. They had a proof of this union system in the Committee of the Livery, which were to sit from week to week, to intimidate Parlia ment respecting the course which it should pursue upon this reform bill. The boer and learned gentleman alluded to Alderman Thompson 's being obliged to appear before this committee and explain his conduct, and said, he con sidered this sort of surveillance as disgraceful to the city members. (Cries of hear, hear; and no, no, rejoined by Mr. Alderman Wood.) He contended that the arguments of his right honourable Mend (Sir Robert Peel), respecting the line drawn relative to population having been de. elated from, had not been at all answered by the noble lord opposite. If Greenwich was to have new members, why was not Chelsea to be represented ? Unbffy Chelsea! (A laugh.) What reason was there for excl udi ng Chelsea be would be glad to know, if Greenwich were to be favoured ? If he were an hon. Alderman be would give this region, although it might not be a very weighty one— that Greenwich was below New London Bridge and Chelsea was above it. (A He knew no reason why ) Fulham, Rotherhkbe, or fair (Cries of Oh, oh !) were to be prevented from sending members to that house, when Greenwich was to be enabled to do so. _ Capt. BERKELEY said that the late representative foe Gloucester lost his eat, not for his views upon reform but because of his not voting upon Sir H. Parnell's modal re lairs to the civil list. _ ARer ;fWirottl3 --- from Mr. Alderman WooD, in expli. nation, Mr. Alderman THOMPSON begged to express in the strongest manner possible, that he had not compromised his independence by explaining the vote which he bad given respecting one of the boroughs in schedule A. The Hon. Alderman said that no member came into that House more independently than he did. Ha never gave a pledge to his constituents until the lest election, when a strong feeling existed in the city of London on the subject of reform. He then premised that he would do every thing to prevent the Reform Bill from being Metered away, but he at the same time reserved to himself the right of supporting or opposing the views of Ministers respecting particular bo. roughs. The hon. alderman then adverted to the expiates. don which he gave relative to Appleby, and said, had he known the course of conduct that had been adopted by the bon. and learned gentlemen in the early part of the evening, when Appleby was under discussion, be should not have voted as he did. Sir C. WETHERELL explained, and said that be had not introduced the subject of the Hon. Alderman's conduct first; it was first introduced by the Hon. Alderman (Wood) behind him. Mr. Aid. WOOD : I, in the most marked and distin guished manner, (loud laughter.) and most distinct manner, contradict the Hon. and Loaned Member. I was not the first person to introduce the subject adverted to by the Hon. and Learned Gentleman. Mr. BARING contended that the efforts to bold a rod in terrorless over Parliament was very absurd, but still it showed the feeling by which public bodies would be actuated when they came into too immediate a connection with the indivi duals representing them in that house. (Hear.) If there was any sacrifice more than another to be deplored, it wm that of private and individual opinions to those entertained by public bodies. The bill before the house was introduced I by his noble friends with a majority at their backs, and no inroad could be made into it. (Hear.) No bill had ever been so introduced into that house. It was a bill upon which the deliberate opinion of Parliament could nut be given : (hear, hear.) The Hon. Member then alluded to a Ministerial meeting that had lately been held, in which Members had been called upon to give up their individual opinions, for the purpose of arming the passing this Bill. He adverted to their fixing the qualification at 101, and said it was a most unwise proceeding : (hear, hear.) He had but one consolation respecting this Bill, and it was this, that when the country knew the way in which the Bill was carried through that House they would be satisfied It was not a Bill upon which the deliberate opinion of Pulls ment had been 'earthed. Mr. HODHOUSE said that,although he felt it was most unfair to take up the time of the house in refuting arguments of hon. members opposite, which had been refuted a thou sand times over (bear), he yet could not allow the obsema. dons of his boa friend to pass unnoticed. Somehow or other his bon. friend seemed exceedingly anxious to take Westminster under his immediate protection. His bon. Mend said that the consdtuencv of Westminster was formed of 201. householders, and asked why they were bea r i z e ts dtslodp such a constituency by letting in 101. Now the conadtueocyof Westminster was not formed of SOL householders, but of persons paying soot and lot, and the consequence to Westminster would be, that instead of its constituency helot increased, It would lose from 1,800 dl,OOO voters. (Hear, hear.) So much for the those who argued in oppoeition to the bill. (Hesr au rse a rl, His boo. friend asked, were they to shins the ILlng of England to ask the peo*ei Wewinineeee who shall MIS ilinhters (Hem) net doles* of Weem rather than those who it wee meal to iskinneetem t (last, heal Herman the ILing of &abed bed as bids= in the choice et his enhaseee. Beim he seta opp eine a li gaimers be yes lot obliged se mai Mat sem boroush this mildew weld Ides Imo Ms asainse. Ho wee firstOßS to ask, Have you Lord This with you ? ? B are yen the whole el this bomb, and the half of Thetford ? Thk wee kind slinging Ms Majesty Se truckle ; this was maks Ids low tea lime Oldie whibli be had creat e d, bee se say he *mid sprit Sikhism (lieu ) A nab kid bed 111111011 i the Men bosensh 7stem, b y , saying thek Led Delinikeeke had been f or one. Lard Bs ' 6l . was a WM aaCe ic a t laugh), a most te a m pnw. and one wise es a code of bad morality, Sad says on lalstreyonisekted awake the youth of this country as peat sepsis as be nu himself. He wa s astonished that any peens so shined should dere to corn. 'neat upon the modest ot mreseave ef the City of L 0 don. who he' pledged limit to waste ashen yids th ew . tbnents of hiseemninesen. It wadies sub *taunt the ma n . ben on his siiethe heves with being pledged to the reform bill. What did thee& hon. 'member Ise llnnworth do when he felt it Meant, to act in opposition to the opinions of his constituents? Why. he did what a man of honour wo u ld do, be relinquished the trust confided to him. This was a proof of his real opinion of the duty of a repress:taxi s . The question was one that should be decided by th e Con:. mons of England. If the peat question solely app erta i ned to the Commons of &gland, their labours would be in vain, if it was to be decided in another place. If it was to be so decided, be advised the members of the other house to consider well the question, and the opinions of the country upon It. The opponents of the measure spoke as nomi nees. He apologised for the time he bad occupied, and thanked the committee for the indulgence they had shewn him ; he expressed his determination to support the measure. Mr. OOULBURN said that he had always listened to the hon. member for Westminster with attention, and the only deduction he could draw from his speech, was that be (Mr. G.) would be perfectly justified in the vote he intended to give upon the question. He felt astonished at the obser. vations of the bon. member, and at the warning he gave to the other House of Parliament. (Hear, bear.) Mr. HONK/USE said, in explanation, that he had only said that he trusted that their lordships would concur in a measure that was sanctioned by the general feeling of the country. Mr. OOULBURN continued: the hon. member had said that their lordships' opinion would he overborne by the people. (Hear, hear.) He trusted that the other House would exercise their right of discussing this measure, which made such an encroachment upon the constitution ; and that they would not be intimidated by the warning of an Hon. Member, the representative of a metropolitan district. (Cheers.) The speech of the Hon. Member presented th e best argument against those districts being enfranchised. The principles which were applied to the disfranchisement of schedule B. were now used in justifying the enfranehis:- meat : of those districts. (Hear.) He concluded by cc pressing his determination to resist the motion, and rote for the amendment. Mr. MACAULRY was glad to find that the Right Hon. Baronet (Sir R. Peel) had changed his opinions upon this question, and had stated his ground of resistance to the ex. tension of the franchise to Greenwich—that it would become a nomination borough in the hands of Government. He trusted that the result would prove the contrary. If the principle was once admitted, it could not be denied that the great towns adjoining London should be represented. He considered that those districts were as well entitled to be enfranchised as Manchester, Birmingham, and Leeds.... He considered the danger would be diminished by giving the people a legal voice. —(Hear.) The wealth and know ledge of the country have been excluded from a share of power by the present system, and the Bill before the Commit tee was intended to remedy the evil complained of. He believed that the proposal of the Right Honourable Baronet would excite feelings of disgust in the minds of the country, and be would vote against the amendment: (hear, hear.) Mr. PRAED argued at considerable length against the policy of granting Members to the metropolitan districts, and concluded amidst cries of question, question ! He ex pressed his belief that such an extension of enfranchisement would prove a source of evil to the country, and create too much power in the metropolis, which be was decidedly ed. verse to. He would vote for the amendment. Lord J. RUSSELL explained that what he bad esid,was not that ministers should keep their seats after a dissolution of Parliament, but that it might be convenient for persons accepting office in the middle of a session not to vacate their seats. Mr. HUNT thought that thew would be no difficulty for minister, to get seats, for there were forty boroughs in schedule B, which would be nearly as doss as nominee boroughs. Idr. CHOKER observed that Greenwich could bear no comparison in riches, the arts, or any other qualification, to Westminster, yet it was prot=l to put it on an equality with k by giving it two mom The House then divided, when there appeared— • For the motion • • ... 295 Against it ... .. 188 Majority for Ministers —. 107 The motion that Greenwich stand part of schedule C was then agreed to. Sheffield and Sunderland were then allowed to stand pans of schedule C. On the motion that Devonport stand part of schedule C. Mr. CROW objected to it, because Portsmouth was to experience a contrary treatment. He wished to know why this distinction was made ? Lord J. RUSSELL replied, that Porten was part of the borough of Portsmouth. but Devonport was entirely a distinct town from Plymouth, and contained a large population. Lord A LTHORP aside few words to the same effect. Mr. CROKER having seated his objections, would not trouble the house by a divides. Sir J. WDONNRLL obawved, that the general feeling of the inhabitants of Peetimath was la favour of this mss• sure. They did not esesplein of being liaised to two mein bas After seem &who y sheervadenedle =edge was agreed to. Lord MILTON teak that Igpsitsafty of stating the mode in which he intended se ktersdato his motion, respect ing the towns In schedule A When schedule C was dis. posed of, he would take some borough In schedule D, and move that it be placed in schedule C—that is, that it bare two members. - -- -.-- Tbe Camaxmr then reported progress. and the house resumed. The other orders of the day were then disposed of, sad the house adjourned at Half-past One &Clock. a FOREIGN INTELLIGENCE. F A R HCE. CHANGE OF MINISTRY. PARIS, Tuesday Evening.—Up to four o'clock this day nothing has been finally determined re specting the change of Ministry consequent upon the vote of yesterday, but the retirement of M. Casimir Perier. He complains of perfidy among certain classes of his promised supporters in the Chamber of Deputies, who, when they came to act by secret ballot, deserted him, and be in conse quence instantly determined yesterday evening to tender his resignation to the King. All the other Ministers, with the exception of Marshal Soult, came to the same determination, but his Majesty pressed a re-consideration of this step. At 12 o'clock this day, the Council assembled at the Palais Royal, when the resignation of M. Casimir Perier being persevered in, the King, attended by all the Ministers except he Minister of Justice, proceeded to canvass the formation of a new Ministry, by the advice of the Council. Count Mole, the friend of Prince Talleyrand, is charged by the King to make the new administra tion this night, be being to be President of the Council and Minister for Foreign Affairs. He wishes to keep Marshal Soult (who, in fact, is anxious to stay) for War, and Admiral de Rigny for Marine. Count Mole has offered this evening the Finance to M. Humana, the Ministry of Justice to Beranger, and Vastismenil for the Interior. An ultra combination has been formed out of doors, and a list is in circulation from Odillon BarrOt, General Lamarque ' &c. At three o'clock *l. latter attempt was abandoned for the moment. =Tipsily, it is said, at the persuasion of M. Count Montalivet will not remain in office ; he has taken leave of his bureau, and announced that he will only remain in the King's household. It is amazingly difficult to anticipate the effect