Star. — London, England, 1817-05-15 00:00:00

THE LAST DAY OF DRAWING, And the following CAPITALS STILL IN THE WHI.EL. TWO of ...... ,C2'1,000 FOUR of FOUR of ...... . 1,000 SIX of 500 . fi e. Ae. AC. AND TWO PRIZES TO ONE BLANK. ----- - e l . CARROLL invites his Friends who hold %A • Tickets and Shares In the present Lottery to ascertain their fate at either of his Offices, No. 7, Cornhill, or 26, Oxford -street, In order that they may embrace the opportunity, should they be drawn small Priaes, of t xchaugh.g them f,r thidrawo Tickets before t.... - tacth 4/ THIS MONTO„stlikls will be the Nett and Lan Day of Drawing, when the Whole of the above Capitals must be de: crooned. G:CAItitULL has fiticialied liiisseelf with ai greet a variety of Numbers as the few Übdrawn Tickets on hind swot allow and which are 'cilia' at Would usbUebsd °beet to the following Prices, viz. Whole Ticket .190 19s. Half ... £lO 19 0 1 Eighth ... ,82 16 it Quarter 511 0 1 Sixteenth 1 8 6. • Orders from the Country (Post-paid) punctually executed. PARLMMENTAR r PROCEEDINGS. HOUSE OF LORDS. MY 14. The Bishop of CLONItitT (one of the Irish Representathe Prelates) took the or•Li and his 11014 COUrAZI were finaly heard respecting the Scots cause, Tro. ward v. Sellers. rhe 1.0141) CHANCELLOM stated tbst be shonld propene the comidtration of jAdimetit in tide, as well to iti oat or two other cages, on Friday. It era% ord.red, on the motion of the Earl of HARDWICFE, that the Poor's !Awe Committee be empowered to Aloft to tie House from inne to time. ..... _ _ _ A few private or local BIUs were brOught up front the Carn ation br alr ItosearVAvcime, Mr. CAwroomit, sad whets. rid read the first din. _ _ The Cash Account, from the Commissioners of Richmond Bridge, for the last year, was presented at the liar. l'he Ordnance Estimates tor the year 1117, and a variety of ether Acce.unts relating to that Department, were presented at the Bar by Mr. Calm c, and, with the foregoing document, were laid upon thietable. An Attested Copy of the proceedings In the Ecclesiastical .Court, rtietive to the Cue being presented st the bar, Mills,'. Diet/tee Hod was, 012 the Ileatiell Of the Bari of LAODILIDALt, read t►e first time. GAS LIGHTS COMPANY HIM On the question for the third reading of this sill, ' • The Earl of LAUDERDALE rose, and dem., sated the enactment of such a measure in a country like this, whose capital far exceeded that of any country in Europe. He highly•diteptwoved-of the' facility of late years afforded' by the k.egisliture to lills of this description. where thevaities interested came to•Parhament for an emission or their Capital, without emu ing just cause orttfitittt for :Each i Oft. Cedars. With respect to those, however, interested in the 'particular Bill in qUestion, he was free to say, he believed them to be men of real respectability, at 'least in comparison with the set. of persons who came forward last year to petition Parliament for a Bill of the kind. But, in fact, he believed the present parties to be " a respectable body of men. At the same time, their coming forward to Parliament for an authority to raise aidr capital to the immense sum of half a •-inillkin, was a point of very serious consideration.— Tiiejr stated as one of their allegations, that they will I be: enabled thereby to serve the public in a better 'manner ; and Without such a poste:lst was impossible they could carry on the concern, 60 as to be generally ..advantageous or useful. To a certain extent thiir Lordships may, on examination, find this allocation to be made good The Noble Earl then entered into ...some detailed statement of the Company's present • funds, and' of their profits and losses ; in which the • latter appeared greatly to prepondetate, which, in its bearing relatively to the present measure, he seemed to regard as an inauspicious consideration ; but he thought the introduction of the clause which he had proposed in the Committee, aids reference to the ea. tent of their orient debts, Would be attended with beneficial elicit'. He again deprecated the facility ;which of late years prevailed in the concurrence of the Legislature to measures of this kind. It would encourage further applications to be made; indeed tbere were already two Petitions before the Houstr.— . • In what he thus said, he was not in the least moved agaifeit those who composed this Company, for whom bolted even a respect' but be telt it a sense of dos' j t o •-bAng these general considellidnx before their 1 laoldships,• chiefly with 'a sieit'st6 ifiletgulitibiftif , tbiehs ecaidieet in futon ocessidlit of idle nd. 712(n 7 " I ..Lord KENYON 'observiti)thstf 11000 beivaillifit Ivry conversant with the snbjekt'lle*Vition,' oil* was , induc e d by the strong conviktiiin id his can • mind, that the adoption of the present Measure would be:fot the public advantage, to give . it his support.— ' He•thought soint'substantial security was given to the public, that the Company would carry the plan said- 'effect, as he understood that no • less than 4100,000 was already subscribed, and in shares of 4100 each. The Company had already lighted a considerable part of the Metropolis. There was an ! other Company inWestminster for the same purpose, but who, he believed; offered to light it a higher rate than that sanctioned by the Bill ; and, upon the Wliele, he thought considerable benefit would be de liied from the measure before their Lordships. ' i•'The Emit* LAUDERDALE.— He hard in the Couruslo.s *accented++ir enriesrionred- to-let .that ilanse introduced -by which the Company was pre. Seated from exercising'the authority*hich this . Bill would give them until 8100,000 should be aubscrib -ed" and if this clause had not been isuroduced, they iivoWldhave gieen this - powei to a Company with a dibt of 411,000, and almost without ,fialipeary to kitty., on the trade. He had so far sneteeded in be- Ililf of the publ c, and it was owing to that the Sit ipo,ouo had been itabfetibed..._,: . - The LORD•CRANCELLOC4iIiIt was by the eXiations of ibe - Noble Earl thit thii :claipe was in. troduced, that Noble Earl had rfonti . .„the public a ghat service: He happened judicially .. to know, that drei:e could hardly be a greater era thanigivingtttkefe &ars. and allowing such Comp A ph,egivilAti • operations until such a sum Ipi4, n a ssibscrt.All would afford some security sac obitct wdm sbe rroyerpletely carried into etfeet i kab lio w ,dee AR 0 . .... t i s pbsp tome check upon such aepri,Akons, he,taqt44: endeavour to take care that thesi`Bals shoold, be . examined at an earlier stage, and INC. before they • prised their policy should be sifted togie_buttorn. The Bill was then read a third nuie,ritid passel,- Adjourned till Friday. - .. ~ HOUSE OCCOMMONS. •t • • sr B,ItOSAIL,ILY presented Pendant hem certaln persons carrying on the trade vi euttererria Leadaa *4 Wbeurnesta, ~. . . emnplidning oftlii tummy of umlaut Weak' make them tar I selling gaits osonary to taws whit& k was oar proposed to ap peal. and preying the Hasse to tato their rose lota cassiderm don In the Bill befeettbainfir legalising the sale et gum. Or. dared to lie on the table. Mr. SMITH presented in Account of the Cub Receipts of Richmond Bridge feel 8 in. Ordered to lie on the table. The Annual Accounts of the Margate Pier and Harbour Company. were presented, and ordered tolle oaths taste. Sir F. FLOOD rose to correct a mistake which had appeared in print, of one sentence of the obser vations he had made last night on the subject of the. army estimates. He was reported to have said that some parts of Ireland were in rebellion, under the in fluence of wicked demagogues, &c. whereas what he had said was, that" Ireland was in a state of perfect tranquillity, and was so, whilst a great portion of the population of Great Britain was in a state of disor ganization and rebellion, under the influence of wicked and traitorous demagogues, now subdued by the timely exertions and wisdom of his Majesty's Government." He had no complaint to urge ;he only wished the misunderstood pa ssage to be corrected. The SPEAKER—As the Honourable Member has no complaint to make, there is no quzstion before, the House. Sir F. FLOOD—No. I have no complaint to make. The SPEAKER. then observed, there was -no longer any suieject of discussion before the House, And that therefore any further conversation must be consitised irregulu. IRISH ORAND .CRY PRESENTMENTS. Mr. COOPgR. moved that an Address be pre sented to the Prince Regent for an account of the names of Treasurers in Ireland who had made de fault, ike: • Mr. PEEL repeated his satisfaction at having ad vised the withdrawiog of the Irish Grand Jury Pre. sentmenu Bill, as by allowing so voluminous a mea sure to proceed to a Committee, the opportunity might be lost fur the present Session of bringing in a Bill that was likely to give general satisfaction, and to pact through that House. He had now to state, with peculiar pleasure, that a Right Honourable Friend near him (Mr. Vesey Fitzgerald) well qua lified for such a task. intended to prepare a measure , respecting Grand Jury Presentments; and he had every reason to believe the Bill would give general satisfaction. * • General- MATHEW heard the information with. pleasure that some alteration was about to be made in the law on this subject; but be feared 4t would be in vain to accomplish any good till Sheriffs were ap i pointed in Ireland as they were in England. Thu Grand Juries were appointed by defective means. am( an end ought to be put to the iniquitous tax whit*. they too often imposed. The Sheriff's ought auk cis be appointed by the Government as was the cast now.i Sir T. FLOOD denied that the Sheriffs were ap: pointed by the Government; they were nominated by the Chancellor and the Judges. Persons were pro posed to those high officers as fit for Sheriffs;. They, "chatted" over the business, and thus were the sp• pointments made. Mr. PONSONBY was glad that the Right Hon. Member opposite wan about to tutu his attention to these subjects, with the view of preparing a Bill, bet he saw no reason for withdrawing the Grand Jury Presentment Bill. previously to its going into a Committee, which was the proper place for ezainini-. 1 ing the details. As to the appointment of Sheriffs. he feared little good would be effected so long as the Judges took the recommendations for future Sheriffs from rhos, already filling the OffiCf. I • Mr. PEEL vindicated the present mode of appoint. ing Sheriffs as far as dove:meat was concerned.— The appointment was made without any reference whatever to private influence; the first name on the list sent to Government was generally selected. As to the mode of preparing those lists, he had sug seated to the Lord Chancellor the propriety of noi res:laving them /rum the eaisting Sheriffs, but of re mitting to more unquestionable authorities. Mr. PONSONDY said, a more important sugge, lion could not have been made ; it was the first step to the remedying mauy of those evils complained of. Mr. M. FITZGERALD observed, that the mks. ma:ioa of the laws on these subjects would be effect ing a great advantage for Ireland; but unless the to-operation of pets/ ins in this part of the country/ timid be obtained, thou who brought in Bills would Rod themselves thwarted, as he was some years agoi onlhis subject. Mr. LESLIE-FOSTER observed, that' the Bib which had been withdrawn was defective, Many pop] tions of it being impracticable. Had th e Bill passed I it would have been productive of mach mischief. • Sir JOHN NEWPORT wished a general value.' tion of lands to be proposed. The. tax on occupying tenants was, in fact, a vas on the whole country. He was astonished to hear it said that there were no de faulters. Since the discussions of the last year no less than three County Treasuren had.failed. . Who eve; took op the subject would center a great oblk gado' on the country. • The securities for Grand Jury money, and all outer public mollies, were in the Canis state pow as when the last discussion took place. Arrears were Still due to the public, though. men of first rate prisperty were-security for the defaulters.— fle alluded to the .cage of_ Mr. Lycett, and ciuldraded that if-the Officers of the _Crown had done their duty. the debts would have been recovered. Lord DESART defended the Gentlemen had introduced the former measure. They !widow a great service to their country by bringing it lee. ward. The money was drawn from the great land. holders, and • distributed in the employment of the Jour! 14wropyr explained. • Mr. VESEt FITZGERALD explained the na. tore of the mitiluti be meant to bring before the 'House; lie was .gme of „those who had persuaded the Honourable (Anaemia (Mr. Cooper) to :aban don the proceeding ; but be did not , think himself exonerated finin bringing foiward a ainiilay Meatiuti. as it was one of the utmost importance. ..kie suirdi very soon bring 'forward the measuie-Tin:perliops! Obut, a week from this' time, in' order tlia(it mist* 'Pe the benefit of discuision before the:§eision wffel yo far advanced. In this he . should . endeavour col adopt most of the suggestions wbicli hii.lionenrable Tliend bad thrown out. He would sisk;that there would be no Objection to furnish every document, re-1 lithe to the processes fm recovering from the securi.l ties of thedefoultera• Ho Could mention an instance: where a debt Which bieballiod all attempts to recd. fey it for tridiklhati ttenti leafs had lately beekte covered by die persiveOngt of. the proper euibari7 ties.. whose laxity the itiut g ft e taronet ..„ - •t teptufecl. He concluded 'with stating that 4, sho l eld probably propose the measute be hidinacdiitetitpla don.uts Friday se'nnight. Mr. COOPER said a few words in reply.. He thought it would have been singularly advantageous if the Bill had hien committed and discussed ; but lie was still of opinion that it ought not to have been passed this Session. The Motion was put and carried. Mr. NEWMAN postponed his. Motion on the Tithe-Leasing Bill till Wednesday neat. Sir THOMAS ACLAi4D presented a Petition from a part of Devonshire in favour of the Siiving Banks Bill. Mr. DAVIES GILBERT obtained leave 63 bring Bill to eiempt Waggons laden with Manure and other articles from the payment of Toll. Mr. HURST obtained leave to bring in a Bill to enlarge the different Acts of Parliament for appoint ing Clergymen to officiate in ?ails and Hotries in Cor rection in England and Wales. £M?LOYMENT OP THE POOR SILL. ' The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER, on moving for a Committee on this Bill, observed, that it might spire the time of the House, and of every Gentleman, if they would allow the blanks to be filled up, and to pass, pro forma, through its pre sent state, with a view to its farther consideration on a future day, when the Alterations deemed necessary to be made in it might come under discussion. Mr. BROUGHAM said, as he understood from the Chancellor of the Exchequer that considerable alterations had been made in the Bill, he wished him , to state, in a few words, what' were their nature, that any objections which now operated might, if possi ble, be overturned. He would take this opportunity of Mating what his own objections were to the mea sure, as far as he understood it. In the first place, it put the power of distributing a sum of a million and three quarters in the hands of persona connected with Government, at a time when an imptimant event was expected to occur—he meant the dissolution of Parliament. Secondly, he objected to rite plan' oil advancing Money to individuals on Government Se curitier, as he did not see how this project could re medy the general distress. He took the evil or cause of this distress not to be the want of money, but the want of work ; and also, that there should be a mul tiplication of funds, out of which that laboheiito he s defrayed. It must be evident on a very'slight view• that this measure would not throw any amount- of ,capital into the money market, to which the boxypwey l resorts for supply. It would therefore only have the effect of interposing the credit of the Government to 'facilitate a few small loans. But he still doubted that the security exacted by Government would pre vent persons from resorting to the money market to obtain-money. It Government no longer required. the usual security, but was satisfied with personal se curity. there might be plenty of applications; but , `still his objections amounted.to this, that it would not . facilitate the procurement of money for the relief o 1 the general distrait. It was to be observed, that. here there was no actual increase of money. Go vernment issued paper in the form of Exchequer bills, and this was only a roundabout way of enabling pri vate individuals to borrow stioney of other private individuals: In the preseWt state of great distress, he considered the Measure wifelly inadequate to the amount of that distress—so extremely disproportioned co its relief, that this in itself was snificient very much 4 ', to damp one's expectations. •He did not, however, wish to deprecate the project. He only threw out. what he conceived to be palpable objections to it, and sincerely u ished they might be overturned. Mr. WESTERN said he was not in the House when the Right Honourable Gentleman first brought forward his plan, or he should certainly have given the fullest consideration to die subject. But from what he hid heard, he must own that he had not ob served any public advantage that would be likely to accrue hum it. On the contrary, he could .adduce many heavy objections against-it : the mischiefs that *tight possibly arise out of it were, indeed, such as the House ought not to overlook. It was calculated to excite in the lower classes of people expectations which must be miserably disappoiateda and it.might appear to such people, that their opulent neigiabours stood in their way, by being called on, and doeiinino. to Aire the security required. This was a .paiefut feeling for them, as the poor might suppomithat.ao-1 !thing was necessary but for them to give personal ; security, in order that they might obtain - relief. But !could it be hoped or expected that such securities would be offered ? It would not ; and what followed ? The Poor Rates were to be mortgaged as securities, and he anticipated float such a system the greatest evils. The occupiers of land might charge and mortgage .property, whish, in fact, was not their own, and which they may be called on to. refund. He thought the result would be to increase the evil ut the Poor Rates. With respect to that part of the Bill which enabled advances of money to be made for the advancement of public works, he considered the objections of his Honourable Friend to be unanswer able. It was the declining state of agriculture and manufactures that put a stop to those works, and not a want of capital. Under all the -circumstances, ;he should feel it right to Object to the measure altoge ther ; but not having heard the Right Honourable Gentleman's plan, he should withhold his opinion till he was better acquainted With it. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said he should nut taste up the time of the Houle by ,entering into any details, as he by no means wished to provoke discussion in the present state of 'the mea sure. it was in advanie, not•of public money, but of public credit, that was intended. No *doubt could rbc entertained of its being properly appropriated, as ! he had endeavoured to make a selection ot most dis cerning. independent, and honourable ComMissiuners. There would be clauses which would go to dispense with personal security, in the cases'of indieidnals ap plying for advances, and to demand special security of various kinds. ft w as ; in faci, a meature inten ded to supply 'temporary deficiency of 'inditidtial credit, by the interposition of public crediri"Witl respect to the said that might be given to parishes, he wished at pteseirt to deter all discussion -on this part of the subject. He 'would only say, that he should endeavour to retails such *degree ot check as would prevent the indiscriminate application of pail: l, es for pubic aisf.; bus he had endeavourtd to provide suet. a regUlitilin It tithe afford fetid in casei et ( ;teat difficititY l s Without'filiihtweinlederal retilic aid. Mr. • ije : t question muck narrowed from chat which the Hotiv lundersiood as being the plan of the Rig'tt ble Gentleman. It appeared +hat advane be made to the ?roprietors of trrtaial taliltsgs 4alk(had' it not. in' thtliepnwer capitatauitileni,43sarry, t4rn e on. • was not the case :with RIM)) great..nud„.l they had been able to come into the (lien. already, and obtain villas; they waste • security was efficient.. The Right tleman had said tharthii Olras atn jute: lic credit to aid individual credit, an • r lie . tindeitakings. Bailie had Away. n►►, gna ihdeed it was evident, that tit. re %gal qtiabtity r of capital at.ptesent in eanut played ' and stilt less was there aiiy w3.st . Therefore this did nut appe is- to be • t quired to be remedied, and !E.:4 w. it for Government credit to be int, carry nn public works. Tlius.br itmc.tred in no way cAletilred to afford rclief. th Honourable Gentleman had been Jtil• too. amount proposed Mtn tha curret:cy o. ci: medium of the country, it woald ptuJiice feet; but as this was not tht.• cgs*, he cutite• he saw no heneflei4l - effect: lik-sy to .res.ilt .t He must, however, give him fr! ! nevolent ihuntions r, but h lid 'lever it 13 44 •. the fir moment he hid f Aral% n. tnr pi n, .0 ,1!),; r. s:and how ire lea.t benefit t-4 tad o* • vt•T m+ it by the public at Laze. Mr. ROA was sure it must bt. .11. vcc!, t!te. this plan cglled for could du no evil, it it •,, stool They most be a Irety strange set of Ci.c. z .... 1:, of they attended to any particular :ec, of the Chancellor of *e tine , , c t • • to advance money to one Gent. n:n p-. I nce another. An Honourable Ge•iti,man is 't that it world be the means of clf7trrin . description of people to the Poor Rate- v... liable already. it was not likely Were win,. applications of this sort. It was iiot to be ek. that Gentlemen generally would giee them pro • At security for the payment ot this mon ci p rat's' be some who would, where parochial a 0..;,, as toads mid buildings, were to be (is., fly which the pm. mght be employed. Bt:t .13 114.1 •.4 .401.tbLalso that public warts ee auk/ be bei,efitel if. !admitted that money was extremely pleitiikl, le: some iiiirons who would lend it for two, o r iny (bur Month!, would not advance it, if there was on prospect of its return for as many years. It a, prard to be a great consideration to "nable such wak; be carried on. At all events goo.' might be .!r i i% horn the project, but no harm could possihly Mr. BROUGHAM replied, that he zenbi&red is an aukward thing, in a constitutional view, it, ditrirg the tithe these Commissioners were sitting, thne was to be a general election going or, while they hid the • power to issue securities to the amount ot a an . .l:uil and three quarters of the public money. Mr. LOCKH ART thought. there could he to harm in issuing the money : the great danger wool,' beta calling it in again. Yet he did not regard the Lill to be entirely harmliss, as he conceived it ver, 6 ld rally fail in leis operation t because it appeared money would be issued to-large companies who ).ii great works in hand, and that it would be applied, generally, to no other purpose. If he nuclei sti.o.l him righly, the Right Honourable Gentleman had parity abandoned the idea df exacting personal securities, This was the most vicious clause in the Bill, as it might cause the ruin of the individuals, because if they became at all embarrassed, Government would come in with an extent, and sweep every thing they possessed away. The advancing of stuns of money to parishes, on the security of the rates, wuuld be most mischievous, and render abortive all considera lions for the improvement of the Poor Laws. The evil with those who could mortgage and pledge their estates would fill, indeed, first on the rich, but after wards with heavier consequences, amounting to ab solute destruction, on the poor. In short, in all cases where the calamity was not excessive, he thought :t would be better for the people to work out, as wig". be said, their own salvation, than to come to this ca• traordinary remedy. Mr. HURST saw difficulties in the Bill, but in as Much sif it was calculated to extend some aid for fle Itenflimike of public and private works, he wo.i!d not like to see any check put on the proceeding. The 'BCII Might be so contrived as to do some berrt:t.' The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEVER, in reply to the Honourable Member / ,, r (Mord (Mi. Lockhart), begged to say, that it was not by n.:y me.sns intended to abandon the principle of FersenAl security, which was, in fact, to be continued, wilt only certain modifications. A posler wne'd, far I:- stance, be granted to the Commissioner:: Ls accer, certain cases, other modes ‘,l security. The House then went into the Committee, whee The CHANCELLOR of tl:e EXCHT.V.7 7 : mentioned the foßowing persons, as forming hi: of Commissioners, Mr. Caserd, Mr. Reid (the Ch....rrrr , of the East Ind'• C r.- P 3 ny). Mr. B. Harrison (tte ::- putt' Chairmaa v !!.r South Svs C0mp3. , 1 : Mr. John "I'horntor. /Or. Phelrs, Mr. J. J. Anger:trio. Mr. Joseph Titli.t Mr. C. Laricf., Mr. Eosavio, t. Lord Robert St moue, Sir Thomas Ack.nd, Mr. Williarn Lambe, Sir C. Ed:ironstone. Sir James Shaw, Sir John Pecing, Mr. Couch, Mr. Edward Littleton, Mr. Jain Luttrel, Mr. Charles Grant, sea. Mr. Corwen, Mr. Estcourr, Mr. John Smith, Mr. Swann, • The Right Hon. Gentleman observed, t'ast awl of these Gentlemen were not Members of thi4 Hou: . and bad formed a part of the former Commission- The further consideration of the measure Ir'', postponed till Wednesday next. - • IREZAND• Sfr WILLIAM BURRO WES moved for n. Tittern of rec• manly rOfCil and Volunteers in Ireland, wilt the nuett.:.f Officers b those Corps. • Lord PALMERhTON had no objection to the motion, he wished to remind the House, that these werc perrons received no pay. Sir WILLIAM BURROWS replied, that when he fo:;ri charge of .e 3 I ,ovo for their remuneration, it was but t' know whet was the amount of tut m.— the mut was agrrta tetl Yr»: • lead r,. i s • • el • r :et.. • . •R (.1 tJerv• if a . Er. k . • • •i I Le p„ le. lti ..t le zel.4: z ec. • •I. r• ; NISCE.I.L.INICS. The Committee Supply was postvorA till Fridsy. GeneralTHORN'lUN tnoved, that the C. tut ti !est" . this evening in favour of Etc Saying Bunks Bah !.. • : tart, The tithes Ordetitteing . dismetl of, Or aJjourot4