Star. — London, England, 1821-09-04 00:00:00

.6 . . • INQUEST 0V R. HONEY. 46 • . ‘ "S 6 : - TENTH DAY. ,i;EPTEMBER OrMI at the New inn, wileie the Inquest was • ply hell, having been found inconvenient, on t of its smallness, as well as its immediate con to the street, it was deemed advisable that the !T • cr proceedings shined take place at the Hop p- , Ed;eware-road. The Coroner fury arrived at a quarter after two o'clock. . tr. A Ilf.) L Pll VS, and Mr. IlAxsoN, jun. attended for the ;;uards. ;Before any witnesses were called, ‘he Gall (a Juror) said—" Mr. Coroner, before we proceed to the examination, I must apply to you for protection against a misrepresentation which has nneared in one of the public prints. lam there made to rte improper language towards Mr. Adol phus. The statement I complain of has appeared in the Courier, and is as follows:—' 'Then, said Mr. Gall (a Juror), another place must be appointed, for, by G—d, Mr. Adolphus shall not sit here again.' I never used such an expression, and I appeal to you, sir, to the Gentlemen of the Jury, and to Mr. Adol phus himself, whether I do not state the fact." Mr. Ar,ot.rnvs eaid, that in what he was about to offer, he did not mean to flatter the public press.— Neither the Coroner nor himself was there to decide whether it was proper that the Gentlemen connected te-hli the press sheald be present and give minutes of the proceedings to the Public from day to day ; but this he would say, with respect to the Ministei ial and Anti-ministerial papers, that greater pains or more candour could not be mani:ested than appeared to be use..? for the purpose of giving the proceedings cor rectly. 11e did no; state this oa account t,i any coin pilau nts th it had been paid to hint by toe press, for he had been visited both by compliment aod censure, which he bore with equal good humour. With re spect tn the matter that had been broti:eht under their notice, whelier Mr. Gall did or did rot use the ex pre ion itooteed to him, he (Mr. Adolphus) was not atde to say. From the number Of persons who were prenna, aed frau the variety of obrervations that were ma .!e en all sides, it was impossible fins him to decieie that peint ; but certainly something Vae the expression stated was made use of. It it had been iraentioa to Tna;:e an application to the Coroner co thi.: rot of suhject he had a letter, and a very hater, from ieee of the witnesses who were lornaely ex it:fined-a:he meant Colonel Cavendish. — That f; nte ,entien cornplaioe: l , that when Mr. Blakie m `rrnatie a :...pressotation el Neleit took place at the Bar rack'., h.: Colotiel Cavendish) was made to say, that ite was not prepared to answer that statement. lie did not use !unit an exprenaion ; Let whet he signed dern ::, Lc felt that he r: ac CallA on to !iv?. ile 111Crt: I .V• Ifm'ed, when Mr. Elakie made hi e s t a tement relative to what oecurred at the ; Lat. feom the aassvor hich he was made to !...s.!. it might be sepposed that Colonel Ca verai-h; 1..711C to pi epare himself. Every ona, t!, at, in the coninsed and hurtled mien": in tehje:i pt ocecdirii. titis kind were some time; r.:•,1,(! , .c!L.', words might be supposed to have' been notic u-c or, which had not really been. uttered, or ohn.a tranAeired from one indi vidual to another- -citeameances which ought to be ant i•lcd W:11 as po.sible. In saying this, he im pute I no blame to the Gentlemen of the Press ; and he thtlu;:!t the Juror who had complained would gain the object lie wished to obtain, he the statement, to-morrow, in evei y paper in town, of his specific de nial of the observation to which he had drawn the attention of the Court. Mr.6oll.—That is all I want. I have thought it rigl. to notice this misrepresentation, bit 1 by no means say that it was a wilful one. Inevet gave any opinion on the point in question. Air. Brown.— I suppose these tjentlemen report one the same as another ; but the-e are such persons as! Editors, to whom the matter afterwards goes, and they may do what they please with it—(Cries Foreinam—The Learned Gentleman has ob served, that when Mr. Illakie made his representation to Colonel Cavendish, the latter returned no answer at all. This was not, however, the case. Colonel Cavendish, 1 it tII recollect, said, " I thought I was summoned here to give evidence on the death of Richard Iliteey:' Me. A Dotantus.—That is true; bet he had then given his evidence, and signed his liepOSlll o l. The En-main-11e had nut sinned it at that time. Mr. A n°1.1 , 117:4.-1 think he had. The Formt:l.—l request, as a matter of favour to the Jury, that they may he allowed to retire for a quarter of an hour. Mr. A 'morn ea.—Before the Gentlemen withdraw, I want to know whether the witneoan. King. Sptatt, and Green, who were examined on die last evening, arc present ? The Foreman.—l do not think they are; and I ghouls! be glad to know for what purpose they are required ? Mr. notanit3S.—My reason for wishing them to be present is, because, in the evidence they have given, they state that they know somebody whom they believe to have shot Honey. One of them says, " I saw a man sitting in a chair who shot Richard nonce ;" and another swears, " I saw a person going in and out of this room who shot Honey." Now this evidence is extremely vague. The person alluded, to ni;ght be me, or one of the .Turors. A proposition was made on a former occasion, that Lieutenant Cote should be suhjec tn.! to the inspection of certain witnesses. Ile was t.iiaatr to unsier:::o . such an in spection, but 1 objected to it ; bccause it was quite unfair, and beyond all precedent, to subject a man to an inspection and identification when he was sepa rated fi om those with whom he was supposed to have acted. The mischief has, however, been done already : Lieutemint Gore has been so separated and so identified. 1 therefore wish Lieutenant Gore to be placed ia the presence of the witnecses, in order that the latter may sec him, and say, in an open and manly way, whether they know him or not. If he can be identified, let it be done directly, and not by instil ed. means. lie our,ht not tl be pointed out in, an obscure manner by a person who views him horn a brick wall, or under any circumstances of that: kind. The witnesses ought to come forward and say, that is or is not the person. I therefore request the presence of those witnesses now, and if they are nut in attendance, that unarm iLay ba adopted fur bring diva; fur e: . , ' ~ The F oreman...-If an indulgence of this kind be granted, I request that the witnesses may not be called forward this evening, but that a fair time should be allowed; because there are other witnesses who can also identify the person who shot Honey, and who ought to have a peep at the Gentleman. It is very strange that the Learned Gentleman should make a proposition now which was directly at variance with the doctrine he held on a former evening. It seems as if lie wished to render the witnesses uncertain, and by that means to fritter away their evidence. I think Wednesday evening would be a proper time to bring the witnesses forward. Mr. A 'M.MUS.—I have no objection that they should—to use the Foreman's curiously selected phrase—" have a peep at the Gentleman' on Wed- nesday. NVlten Lieutenant Gore was examined on the last night, it was intimated that there was a back door out of which he might escape. I said," I would not give to Lieutenant Gore advice of any such de scription. Let him consult his natural courage: but I will give him no such advice. If he chooses to go out at a back door, he may." He did not go out at a back door. lie faced his enemies boldly. He showed that he was not unwilling to be seen by the people. The Foreman.—lt was not a private intimation :it was a pulslic statement made by Mr. 131akie to the Coroner, and you remarked . km it very differently at the time.' You said it would be a moral assassina tion, if a witness, called under such circumstances, were suffered to go out without protection. We are not so contemptible but that we know what passed. Mr. HAssos said, he and Lieutenant Gore went out the back wily. There was imminent danger in leaving the house. Tile people called out, " There goes the butcher !" Mr. Ilrown.—Mr. Adolphus advances that which Mr. Hanson contradicts. In making this remark, I mean nothing offensive. I throw ni self under the direction mid protection of the Coroner, on this and on all other occasions, for I think his conduct is vet y correct. The Jury then adjourned for a quarter of an hour. Oa their return — The Foreman wished to know whether the wit nesses who were to view Lieutenant Gore were to be prodused this evening, or on Wednesday ? Mr. Aomenus was willing that they should come up on Wednesday. Joseph Somerby was the first witness examined. — He deposed as follows:—I am a private in troop C of the Life Guards. I know nothing lattice to the l death of Richard Honey. By Mr. Blakie.— Thete are eight trumpeters iii the regiment—one trumpeter to each (loop. We have a band. Ido not know what number the band con lists of. I cannot say whether it comprises '2O, :;0, or 50 persons. I know the band does not consi:a of 1(}). Ido not kno%v whether it is neater 50 or .111 the men in the band do hot occasionally act as trumpeters. I believe some of them, beside the eight, act as trumpeters. We have no hued men, to my knwledge. 1 was on duty at Cumberland-gate on th , ; hith ult. Lieutenant Gore commanded me. To the best of my recollection Ilene were twelve of us. They were not all pi vat There wet e ten pi leatt, I and two cm porals, including myself. Th,re W•t, one trumpeter. 1 do not his name. I saw him. Ile was a y4tin man. 1 cannot sfe di to ho age, whether he w.ts (It more. lam whim...led. 1 received the wound on that oe c d• ion. I h a d the blade bone of my shoulder to:3;cil by a stone or a brickbat, I caluot likh. lam on the doctor's list now. 1 was taken to t::e }lapilli on the 15th. I did not see Lieutenant (iine with pistol: o n that day. 1 did not heir him e:•.pess ) . .is surprise that he had not got pistols on that ti.ty. I nil not he it him ask any pet son to lend him a ri , acl. 1 did not see an person lend bin-. me. 1 diould know the ti um pti.ti again if I saw him. Id ) not know whetlu: 1 sine the I 1 have been in the hospital ever since, up to this day. I doo't know whether he is a t.iil pet son. lle was n.ounted on ho: tieback A% I saw him. I cannot say whether he is a light or a clink man. I should not know his name, if I were to hear it. lam sure of that. We have not a trumpeter of the name of Jones in our regiment.— Thele is a musician of the name of Jones. 1;v Mr. ADOLVIIU.4.-1 was at Cumberlandaa b ate' s\lioll 1 r eceived die wound, which laid me up ever since. I received my wound just after the hearse had come through. It was not a single stone thrown at ne•, but a volley of stones or brickbats, 1 don't knew which, thrown at us all. There had been no lining whatever as 1 know of, before I received the wound. I was struck senseless. Up to that time there had been no firing at all. I saw many men struck beside myself: I mean soldiers. I went into the hospital on the 15th. When I went home on the 1 hth, I thought it was only a blow, and would be better in the morning ; but 1 fa nod, when that time arrived, that I could not move my arm, and I was ordered into the hospital by the doctor. By Mr. Brown.—We have no trumpeter of the name of Jones, but we have a musician of that name, who occasionally blows the trumpet. I don't know whether he ever goes out with a detachment. I am not sure that he was not the wan who was with us 00 the 11th. By Mr. do not know Jones's christian name. The witne,s's evidence was then read over to, and si:med by him. Ile added, that they had no boy trumpeter of the name of Jones. An individual, who had before interrupted a wit ness, by desiring him to speak louder, now addressed the Coroner. Ile said that he appeared there as an advocate, having clients, and the interests of clients to protect. He then complained of the situation' he occupied at the bottom of the table; and obsetved, that if Mr. Coroner had taken that sort of notice of his card which he might have expected, ha (the speaker) should have occupied a better place, a: the other side. Other parties (not on the Jury), but interested in this business, had been perfectly ac cotnmodated ; and he did not know why he, coming in the character he did, should not also be considered. CortoNEa.—Why, you are close to the Jury, and whale can you be better placed ? A Juror. For whom do you appear? The individual answered, that he was not bound ,to give up the names of his clients, and no further notice appeared to be taken of the matter. Joseph Hitchman was then called.—l am a private in troop C. I know nothing concerning the death of Itirlard Llouey, wept that I was out with the party on the 14th. We were placed at the top of . Oxford-street, by the gate there—the gate that goes out of the Park into Oxford-street. That is, I be lieve, Cumberland-gate. I was on both sides of the gate. I was placed there before the Procession came within sight. We being posted at the gate to keep it open, I believe it was for the purpose of the Proces sion passing through. I kept the gate open as well as I could: what prevented me was, that they were throwing stones; the people who were there; they were coming to shut the gate. Our orders were to prevent them from doing so. They attempted to shut the gate; I do not know who they were; 1 could not tell who they were; they were on foot. Mr. Mown suggested that this man, being one of the party at Cumberland-gate, might be implicated by answering such questions as were now put to him. The CORONER observed, it could not very well im plicate the man, by answering such a question as whether they who assisted were gate-keepers or not. Witness.—The crowd rushed up, and would shut it. They did so once or twice : we endeavoured to keep it open as long as we could. They endeavoured to shut, and we to open it. CORONER.—Taking care, as you have been di rected by a Gentleman, to say nothing that would eliminate yourself, tell us what took place in your own way Witness.—l did my duty, as I was ordered to do. I was orde:cd to keep the road quiet. The non-com missioned Officers gave me my orders. Mr. Gore commanded my party or detachment. I belong to the C troop. The trumpeter belonging to our troop, I believe, was not there: the trumpeter who was there did not belong to our troop. I can't exactly say what trumpeter was out upon the party. He did not come lout of the barracks with us. I don't believe I know the trumpeter's name. The Foreman.—Recollect. By Mr. Brown.—l don't think I recollect a trmn , peter of the name of Jones. I might know a man belonging to the band of the name of Jones ; but I cannot recall him to my mind now exactly. By the Foreman.-1 don't know that I should know the trumpeter again, if I were to see him. Tile trum peter who was out on the Inh, with the party at Cumberland-gate, I have heard, was a boy. Of my own knowledge I can't tell how old he maybe. The Foreman.—Was be 20 or 30 ? Witness.—l should think he was under 20. There wa. nothing remarkable in his person or general ap. pearance, to my knowledge. I cannot say how old he really is. Mr. Brown thought it necessary that Mr. Coroner should use his endeavours to ascertain the name of the trumpeter. The Foreman.—Should we not refer to the trumpet major to get at it? Mr. Gall (a Juror).—lf you do, the trumpet-major will refer you to the master of the band ; and the master of the band, perhaps, to some one else. By a Juror.—l have attended no examination before . thk, that 1 recollect. Juror.— Recollect yourr.clf ? Witat.ss.—Not on this footing. Jaror.—This fiioting ! Have you been examined since the 11th of Atigtrct ? Mr. AtioLro us suqgesied that the question should he shaped difTeientiv, because, in fact, witness had Sunday week undergone an examination, but on a diarent subject. The Juror objected to alter his question, which was put as he had originally propounded it. Witness.-1 have attended no prior examination, nor been prepared for this examination in any way, as touching an Inquest held in consequence of the death of Honey, since the 11• th. A Jinor.—Have you ever been examined or talked t o by Officers or Gentlemen in plain clothes, concern ing. the examination? Witness.— No. In no part of the 14th of Angust were I and the men under Lieutenant Gore drawn up in Cumberland-street. To the hest of my know ledge we never went out of Oxford-street. I am posi tive that nobody gave me orders not to tell the name of the trumpeter, if I should be asked it. I have re ceived no orders whatever to that effect. By the Foreman.—l did not see Lieutenant Gore with any pistols on the 1 Ith. I cannot say whether he borrowed any of any person on that day. I mean to say, that I don't know whether he did. I heard tiring at Cumberland-gate on that day. I never saw a man shot on that day near the gate. Lieut. Gore did not wear a cloak on that day; he had got none. The way I know that is, because I was on the side of the corporal when be rode up to him, and asked him whe:her he would have his cloak ; and Lieutenant Owe said, " No ; I would rather be without." I have not said there were not many people at Cumberland-, gate, as the hearse tried to come through. I did see several stones and brickbats thrown at that time, and 1 felt them. The throwing of the stones was before the filing took place. We were all almost stunned. By Mr. Blakie.—l have said we were ordered to keep the streets quiet. We did so as well as we could. —We endeavoured to do our duty; we ordered the people to get out of the way, to let the Procession pass. They did not get out of the way till we forced them to do so. What the Jury is to understand by " lotted them," is this—we rode up to them and pushed them out of the way ; they would not get out of it by fair means. They hallooed and hooted, and called us everything. I can't exactly say what it was, because the confusion was so great. They called us everything but gentlemen. They did not go away by this pushing until, in some time, the party began firing. I was stunned and retired. I don't know whether the people went away or not, in consequence of their being so pushed. Mr.Blakie.—Don't you know, Sir, you wereobliged to use other means besides pushing ? itness.—We were obligated to ride over them and amongst them, when they did not go. • Mr. Blakie.—Ay, you see, we shall get at what' you did by and bye. Witness.—At the time we so rode over them, I saw, to my knowledge, no person knocked down. I mead of the mob. I saw some of my comrades use their swords on the occasion; fur we were obligated to use them. We used the swords ; 1 cannot tell you exactly how. Mr. Blakie.—Did you cut at them ? Witness.—We cut about a good deal, on purpose to 4 , have" the people get out of the way, so as to let the hearse pass. Did you sae persou cut 041 that ugc:tu No, do to mind my own b lu ff. ness. 'soldiers' cutting and slashing, or the Lear:l cculi Sir Ti ; a I ey had th e e n p n e ti ,g i rpl e to gat out of o.e way 4 the not pass. The hearse did pass down ti.is street (Edgeware-road). Did the people get out of the way ?—I Sir, if they did not get out of the way they were ran over. Mr. A DOL I'llus.—Did you see any run over ?—N.), Sir, I did not see any. By the CORON EIL-1 did not, as I believe, see any men rode over. _ . . By Mr. Blakie.—We were stationed near to CUM berland-gate. I was one of those who were stationed inside; but I came on the outside when the Proc.v. sion was coming up the Park. I can't exactly say how long we were at Cumberland-gate below Cie hearse came up; but I think it was hali' an hour, ct thereabouts. I know Lientenanz Hall. I can't Jay whether 1 saw him at thelime I was at the gate not. He was not of our party. I don't tbit:k see him. I can't pretend to say. I can't tell w;icthet he was on duty on that day. I have seen him miry times. I know him when I see him on th e para j„ regimentals. I don't think I should know hltu it he passed on the other side of the way. I cant say that I saw hi m out on the 1 6th. I can't sAeat it. 1 ,:an't say I saw him to my knowledge. Did you see any other (dicer besides 1.;ew.c.n.. i4; Gore before the hearse came up that met nin??...4 saw an Officer, but I cant say %vile:her i:. WAS I;cf.,:e the hearse came up or not. By Mr. Gall.-1 can't say that I saw a horse f 4 coming out °I Cumberland-gate that morning. I saw one or two fall near the turapiko. By another Juror.—l have been in the about four years. By another Juror.—l was not one of a party that formed across Oxford-street. The evidence of the witness was now read over to him. Before he signed he said in inswer to a Jump — After the affray was over, we went back and formed near Cumber land-gate with the hos ses' heads tow'''s the street. I don't know how long they remained there, as I went away with orders. M. tine ..:ent me to know when we were to return. . . By Mr. Illakie.-1 was present on doe 41st, wbcll the troops were drawn n p fur inspection at thebal racks. Did you see Lieuteoar,t Gure there ?—I sass• Lint after we came cut. My question was, Cid you see him ?—No, Sir ; be does not belowg to my ticop. lie might have beea there, but I did not see him. Did you see I.i::11 - iienant Hall there ?—I dln'tkmar whom you mean, Sir. Oa the `_'lst I was there my self. I can't say to my knowledge that 1 saw Lieu tenant Hall there. Witness, not being able to write, signed the de sition with his mark, and withdrew. Mr. Blakie then addressed the Corona-, and said, that when Mr. Hanson first attended at the laquest, he (Mr. Wilkie) had asked him his name. and alto for whom he appeared ? Mr. Hanson had Lim kind. ness to state both. Ile told the Jury that he anp:•dud for the Regiment. The same question' was put to Mr. Adolphus when he first aueaded, and he also stated the object for which lie attended. Now he (Mr. Blakie) conceived tints he should n ot b e co nsiA. ent if he did not ask the Gentleman at the end c t the table (the Gentleman to whom we before alluded, as having sent the Coroner his card in order to get seat in the room) his name, and also the name oh die party for whom he appeared here. The Stranger.—My name, Sir, is Crowther. Mr. Blakie.—Will you have the goodness, Sir, to inform us of the names of your clients; of those fur whom you attend here ? Mr. CRoWTUFR.—Sir, when I first addressed the Court, I should have had no he•iitation in stating the names of the parties for whom I appear here ; but it was said the other day, that there were two parties here. Now, I am of no party ; and if I attended here, as I said to-day before, as amicns curia, I conceive that would be a sufficient ground, and n•ould giro me a right. The CORONER.—We have enough of that descrip tion already, and if we go on listening to this sort of interruption, we shall never have done. Mr. CROWthElt said, that Mr. Adolphus bad kept them in the dark as to his clients, and he (Mr.Crow ther) would act in the same way ; he, however, would take care to make such comments as he thought pro per on any observations which .11r. Adolphus might make. Mr. Blakie said, that the Jury had before pro. tested against the interference of any person but the Coroner and themselves. They conceived, that t:Ns being a Court of Inquiry, the interference of Mr. Adolphus was irregular, and in consistency they telt called upon to say that the interference of the (• tleman who now presented himself was also irregular. The appearance of any Gentleman here, on the be half of the guilty—he did not say who they were— would be to screen them from detection, and that would be subversive of the object for which they had met. He wished that the Coroner would give las opinion on this point. The CORONER observed, that Mr. Adolphus did not attend for any other purpose than to listen to the evidence of the witnesses, and to get from them et• planations of such parts of their testimony as he thought proper. A Juror (Mr. Brown) thought that if the attend ance of any strangers were allowed, it ought to be only of those who were impartial and unprejudiced. Now it appeared to him that Mr. Adolphus was pre. judiced ; for in one of his remarks he said, speaking of what occurred on a former occasion, that doe 'were none outside but the enzinies of Lien:. Cur. Mr. Blakie said, he hoped his brother Juror , 0 1 mistaken, for he should wish to beiieve that t.uca ..0 observation had not come from Mr. Adolphus. Another Juror.—l heard Mr. AJolphus The former Juror (Mr. Brown) rep..:ated, that !ft Adolphus had so said, and he colit•idered it imprer• He (Mr. Drown) was a I.3iitisll Jaror, and as low; as . he lived, lie would not allow tl: be infringed, or any obscry r cspezairj them to be frittered away.--(Applause oa Coe pgt some idle individuals wwho lriu fu.ind way 0 . 3 . o uf.Turorr to the lower end of the room f9llowed this ohrervi t ' ° '' ) The; Foreman said, that the .1u: ; 1:31 tested against Utz interlerence 01 Ar.:1,..011:1.0 ; and Mr. Adolphus gavi. reason tor it than than the Cuort•had d-c;...!(.1 it. Th.!., liovever, they di !. nut cu.:, cive .t.. 1 t! tv:•.!1-d CV•i L2l4•;' 31:1: ill t he; did att( the cell nob tint sub a i %%hi mu ha..l lnsi if o g o cf t sati Ad TIE) hat the eve ACC ph to for A IIT P 0 de be Ca fa