Star. — London, England, 1822-06-04 00:00:00

L . e given by a reminds' of lift s. — Re went ! h e r than the Noble Marquia who chid pe..ple for an ignorant impatience.for et relaxation of tasation.—CTlte Marquis of .Losuosnanutslissented. --Then, he supposed, he had dreamed thatthegobi :gowns had used such words, although it was pass ing strange that, with such a particnlar'collocution, such a sentence should be so gentralfrittributed it was, and without . foundation. Howevyr,, the Chan cellor of the Exchequer went one step 'further than cne why should say that the People were clamorous from an ignorant impatience fdra-relatati on o f a tion. That Right Hon. Geatleman, if lie had dreamed in that too, said not only that this remos, cf mtation would do no good,, but that it would do }aim. This was a specimen of the practice of all o os:stn-dealers, who went from one step to another, each outdoing the last, till they arrived at attsolute ahstirdity. Thus they saw advertisements for differ r.:: kinds of superlative paints—from inodoroos paint ,; .; c went vi aromatic paint, and 'so on. So the of the Exchequer, from declaring that re- I si:sitat of taxes would do no good, went on to say that it might do possible harm. Now, however, he ahnitted that the same measure would copier great benefit on the People. The Hon. and Learned Gen 6J:flan went on to contend that the retaining the 2s. d u ty on salt was for the purpose of leaving a large proportion of patronage to the Crown. For the col lection of the sum of 140,0001. of the Salt Tax in E ng land, the expense was 55,0001. and for the col lection of 100,0001. only, in Scotland, it was 21,0001. being out of all proportion, which should have been as one to fifteen. This would be the disproportionate patronage attached to the remaining 2s. and there fore, on constitutional grounds, it would be unjust to Lave that portion of the tax. Besides, the retention of it would serve to perpettiate the Excise laws rela tive to this branch 'of the revenue—the most execra t:e and oppressive in our whole jurisprudence. It ras for the House to consider whether it was worth while to keep up all this machinery for 300,0001. a-year of revenue. The Marquis of LONDONDERRY said, that from e.e representations of the Honourable and Learned Gentleman, it would be supposed that his Right Ho :::::rable Friend had preached the delight of laying ca taxes ; but he put it to the House whether he had :pt.! the question otherwise than as likely to afford re.:et to the country ? It was the proposition to break faith with the Public, and do an act of dishonour, that, he contended, would be followed as all disho wuwahle acts were, by increased suffering. With regard to the cost of collection for the remaining portion of the Salt Tax, the whole amount of it would be :,0001. or at most 10,0001. instead of 35,000 g. and t:.:! patronage of this, of which the HiThourable and Learned Gentleman talked so much, as belonging to Government, was administered by the Commissioners of Excise—.( Hear, hear).—Those officers of the longest standing, and most fit for the situation, were ap pointed to the Collectorships. The House needed sot, perhaps, to be told why the Honourable and. Learned Gentleman was always upon this subject so much opposed to them. He had been beaten in every part of the discussions so much, that he could not let pass an opportunity of repose to endeavour to :give force to his insinuations. He was always try ing to appropriate to himself the whole of the merit cf his Right Honourable Friend's measures.-- He could never lose sight of those beautiful, though, in his opinion, disfigured sketches with which he fa voured them at the commencement of the present Ses sion --(A laugh).—He was trying to-night, as he al- Istys had, how to induce Parliament to degrade it. :elf. Let him but once get the edge of his wedge in, aad he would go on ; and unless the House were dis posed to retread their steps, and give their confidence to the Hon. and Learned Gentleman, they would not to) him on the present occasion. He warned them that he would not stop here, but go straight on to the Sinking Fund. But he thought he knew the House of Commons of England too well to expect that, after the declarations they had made, they would allow themselves to be misled.—(Hear, hear.) Mi. DAVENPORT opposed the Amendment. Mr. RICARDO said, that as the Chancellor of the Exchequer thought the annuity plan was an infringe ment on the Sinking Fund, he should recommend him to prolong the term to fifty or sixty years, and then see if.there would not be enough of money to remit the remainder of the Salt Tax. harqui ,arving _ lament to guard a g ai nst thi s , • and hefor one, with this feeling, was anxious at once to. get. rid otthe whole of the Salt Tax, and.skotdd therefore vat/ far, the amendment of his Honourable Friend.,,--The House. then divided, when the numbers were ' For the Biotin' - - - - 111 Fur the Amendment 1 - - - 67 Majority against the total repeal of the Salt Tax----44 When strangers were re-admitted, a short couver., cation took place on the Duty on Salt imported to' Ireland, and the Resolution on that subject was or dered to be recommitted on Wednesday. The other Resolutions of the Report were agreed.to, .and Bill's ordered accordingly. - COlig IMPORTATION SILL. The Marquis of LONDONDEILRY moved the Order of the Day for the House resolving itself into a Committee on the Corn Importation Bill. The Noble Marquis took This occasion to remark, that if any Member wished to move ,that an instruction should be given to the Committee to limit the ope ration of the Bill, this was the time for proposing such instruction. Mr. CURWEN considered this measure, instead of proving a benefit, would be most injurious to the agricultural interest, and therefore with a view of getting rid of it at once, he should oppose the Speaker's leaving the Chair. At all events, he thought it would be desirable that the measure should stand over for a time, in order that the subject might receive fuller consideration. The present system of averages he thought very objectionable. They were not taken on the whole supply but merely on the prices of Eng lish corn. Now when Ireland contributed, as it had been accustomed to do, a 16th or 17th part of the, supply,- not to include her portion in taking the ave rage, was most unfair.. The duty. proposed by the Noble Lord on corn imported was, in his opinion, inadequate to the proteCtion of the agriculture of this country. He (Mr. Curwen) considered sixty-five shillings to be a fair remunerating price for the corn grower, but the present Resolutions, which went to allow the country to be inundated with foreign corn when the price was but five shillings above that which he mentioned, be thought highly objectionable. —He believed the country felt as he did, and would much rather that the law should remain as it now was, than that this Bill should pass, which the Noble Lord broughtforward as a boon, but which would prove an injury to thcise it was intended to protect.— He was for cheap corn, 'but he diduot wish its price to be so ruinously low as to throw a large body of men out of employment. If the cora rose too high it was an injury to the manufacturer, and no benefit to the agricultural clam If it fell too low it was ruinous to the farmer and injurious to the manufac turer, as the latter then lost the custom of the corn growers. He therefore contended that the interest of , the corn-growers and the manufacturers were one and the same. Some Gentlemen asserted, that the ab sence of that protection which had been called for would only have the effect of throwing the poor lands out of cultivation. - But he would say,-that it was not the poor lands alone that would be thrown out of cul tivation in the case supposed. If the present measure passed, he was convinced that it would give a severe blow to the agriculture of the country, and lead to the most ruinous consequences, and he should therefore, on the present occasion, take the sense of the House *II the question that the Speaker do leave the Chair. ' Mr: WESTERN supported the motion of his Hon. Friend, and declared the measure now under consi deration, instead of inspiring hope and confidence, was deprecated and condemned from one end of the ' country to the other. It would be most unwise to press such a measure at this moment, which could • ', ly operate prospectively. The price of corn would not rise so as to open 'the ports. The Bill might do good, or it might do harm; but, as they had not suffi cient data to justify them in coming to the conclusion that it would do good, it ought not to pass into a law. Mr. BENETT (Wiltshire) stated this Bill to be viewed by his constituents with abhorrence, and it Was their prayer that the, old law should continue, rather than that this me sure should pass. Mr. D. BROWN said, he should vote for going into the Committee, but in the Committee it was his intention to endeavour to persuade the House to alter the duties proposed by the Noble Marquis. Mr. CANNING wished to move an instruction to the Committee. Through inadvertence on his part, he had omitted to move it at the proper time, but his Noble Friend would perhaps not object to withdraw his motion for the present, to afford him an opportu nity of propcsing that instruction which he was anxious, in conformity with the wishes of his Consti tuents, to convey to the Committee in the event of the House resolving itself into the Committee. That which he should suggest was not new, but no Reso lution having be:fn come to on the subject, what he wished to supply had become necessary. It grew out of a just apprehension on the part of the agricul tural interest of the consequences of a great influx of corn, when 'the parts should open. One way of get ting rid of the possibility of sustaining great injury from such influx was, to afford facilities for the ex portation of that wheat which wasin warehouse when the ports were not open. The instruction which he should move, would propose that this should be done y permitting corn, now in warehouse, to be ground, subject tb such restrictions as the House might con 4idersuitable. It was suggested. first :—'That for every . 'porter of ,wheat taken out of warehouse, as large a quantity of fl our, or if the House pleased, a somew hat larger quantity of flour should be forthcoming, than Wigs oftlinarily produced from a quarter of wheat.— Ja was then proposed that six weeks should be al lowed for exporting it; and if the parties failed, that it should then go back to the warehouse under bond. proper care being taken that it should not be suffered 'to come into the market for home consfimption. Se ciiiity on this head the agriculturist had unquestion • to, gam* cn of LONRONAgARIri , soticon , that principle Orwhien, could be ilia, it being , eit clause to be introduced would be open'fare diatomic& in the Committee. When-they clime to the question that the. Speaker should leave the Chair u heloped it would not bethought necessary to travel over .the whole *Acct agent. He wished now to state that he di4 not propose the present Bill as the - best Corn Laws Which the wisdom of Parliament could devise, butlione that would supply sot efficient check to an evil which had been heretofore. severely felt. The Hon. Mentber,for Essex, with a degree of intrepidity which he di l l not exactly understand, had asserted that the ports would net open. He did not know how he could venture this, but he was sure the Hon. Gentlemen would not deny that, if such a 'circum stance should occur, it would lead to the most ruinous consequences. With respect to the complaints made to this measure, he would say, that if they were to stand still till one should be devised to which no ob jection could be urged, they might wait till doomsday. only proposed this as an improvement on the existing law, and never was there a time when the experiment could be made with less risk. Withdraw ing his motion that the instructions of the Right Hon. Gentleman might be moved, he hoped the details of this grinding clause would not be gone into on the question that the House should resolve itself into the Committee. Sir T. LETHBRIDGE said he should oppose the clause which the Right Hon. Gentleman had an nounced it to be his intention to move, as be was convinced that nothing would tend so much to faci litate the consumption of foreign corn in the shape of flour, when the ports were closed, as such an enact ment. The prices of agricultural produce continued from week to week to decline, and it was therefore necessary to afford the landed interest efficient pro tection. He could state that he had a hundred Peti tions in his possession to present to the other House against this Bill passing into a law. Mr. RICARDO agreed that the clause which was to be moved ought not to be adopted, unless security could be given that the corn ground into flour should not enter with the home consumption; but if security on this head could be given, nothing would be more unjust to the parties concerned, than to prevent the grinding of flour with a.view to its being exported. He,thought the Noble Lind's Bill would be an im provement on the present law. Mr. WESTERN would acquiesce in the clause to , be proposed by the Right Hon. Gentleman (the Mem imtv for Liverpool). if security could be given that the corn reduced to flour should not be brought into home consumption, and he was disposed to think that each security might be given. Sir JOHN'NEWPORT would support the clause, as he conceived that to encourage the export of fo ' reign corn would benefit the agricultural interest of this country. After a few words from Mr. D. BROWN and Mr. Smarr, the House divided, whenlhe numbers were: For the Motion - 146 Against it 39 withdrs consented to. I thAjitsct,ion thould be be2pprebeildid,llb • titiderstood thait the Majority - -107 On the return of strangers to the gallery, Mr. D. BROWN was on his legs, asking whether a Commit tee on the Bill had power to increase the rate of duties? TheSPEAKER said, a Committee had power to lower, not raise the duties. The question being put, " That the House resolve itself into a Committee to consider of the Corn Im portation Bill," Mr. D. BROWN moved, € 4 That the House go into further consideration of the question to-morrow. " The Marquis of LONDONDERRY opposed the Amendment, which was moved for the purpose of in creasing the duties. The Noble Marquis said he should deprecate carrying it higher at the present moment. There would be found a disposition in the country to concur in the scale of duties as they were projected. As the law stood, corn would come into the market without regulation, but he had rm doubt the scale of duties would regulate the supply, and prevent the market being inundated. After a few observations from Mr. D. BROWN and Mr. BILNITT (of Wiltshire), the Amendment was ne gatived without a division. • On the question for the Spasm leaving the Chair, Mr. Cos wax pressed for the sense of the House, and a division ensued : For the Srear.za leaving the Chair - .149 Against it - - - 41 Majority - —los The House conseqnently went into Committee on thr.Bill, and Mr. War:mons moved that the amount of the Import Duty be sixty-four instead of seventy shillings. Nzweose and Mr. D. GILRIZT opposed the Amendment. Mr. WODEHOUSE contended, that the Agriculturist could not be protected by seventy shillings, and therefore moved to insert 755. instead SI 70s. After some discussion, in which the Marquis of Loanow • - =SST, Mr. RICARDO and Mr. N. CALVERT, IoOle part, the Com mittee divided on dr. Wommousis Amendment : Ayes - - 41 Noes - - - 87 Majority - —45 Mr. BANKES then moved to make the duties payable at the time of importation, instead of paying after corn is Ware housed for home consumption. This was opposed by Mr. F. Romasom, Mr. Maaarare, and the Marquis of LONDORDRARY, and after sons discussion the .Committee divided, Ayes Noes • 70 In 11. DOUGLAS thought the proper time for propo.ing an Amendment like the present, would be idle: - they had been in a Committee upon the Bill for tlie repeal of the tax, when it would have undergone :111 the modifications intended by the Chancellor of II:e Exchequer. General GASCOYNE thought that neither the Ihuse nor the Right Hon. Gentleman were aware of the extent of production from the two shillings a bushel salt. He did not think the present a proper time for the proposition before the House. He was of opinion that at least it might be well to try the effect of reducing the tax to two shillings the bushel. It would not be long before Parliament would have an epportunity of considering the subject again, and in the meantime he thought as much was done as the country had a right to expect. Mr. BENETT (Wilts) supported the Amendment. lie disapproved of a tax on salt altogether, and ob. .cted to retaining any part of it to serve as a nucleus liont which it might be at any time increased. • Mr. CALCRAFT, though he had said he should Y-i:ose nothing further on the subject of the Silt dx, had not pledged himself not to support any motions that might originate in another quarter. It had been stated that the Chancellor of the Exchequer had gone further than be(1114. - Calcraft)had proposed to go. This was true, but be (Mr. Caleraft) bad lookej to the ultimate extinction of the tax, and doing Lo, had thought it necessary to frame the propcnition he first brought forward in such a way as was likely to make it palatable to the .House. kle was surprialit that the gallant General (Gascoyne) should-not 94* port the amendrilent, as he had always been of opi-' 11.6 a ,hat the proposition which he QVlr..eakraftY_sub-' nated to the House did not go far woo' igh. Jf •! (Mr fisheries were left as at present, it would be Deets that additional. ()Eters should he appointed to protect the Revenut. When it Oas 'stated that the tax would produce m It ore than ad been' ialcu, la.ett, the gallant General must certainly mean th . tax the fisheries-4" No,'fraiss 11 he did nut inear4 tias. 'l,licArtatild'nOthe ftte;cl _ • Majority - a - - —37 The whole of the Clauses having been agreed to, Mr. CAN NING brought up • Clause to warehouse corn forthe /star:tie of. bestir ground into•liour, upon girding precautionary bonds. Sir E. KNATCHBULL expressed a hope - that the flight Honourable Gentleman' vrtsuM allow the Clause to be added to the Rill for the purpose of Wog printaio and discussed upon the third reading. * Die Marquis of LONDONDERRY did not object to that proposition, and the Clause was added to the Bill. The House then resumed, and the Report was ordered to be received this day. 'rho ether Orders of abs Day were then disposed Ø. and at Half-fast Two o'clock the House adjourned. • . ' C„ ••• • *"... . • Z' " 1.'") 4 4: S t 12 • 4 1. 4 Wi •‘*; • ‘ , • . • , ‘ 't k ' ' S4 4-• •,4 ‘4.t• • - • - ••• •t , • •• = i'AU„ , 4 444 C•" ';'•1 0 '? • . ; • , , . t•—• s . 'S" ' • • • • • • 1 4 .16 0 . • esqrs. - at'Y ro v faff . atelPitoltnnth dky;• ic lOtied.. ll6 trk-thelreat too sr o'€ - strid - ile - woutd det-Ain dietoinpOtty try; 'irphtiatirtpenitteh iength on the tittnietittchmeobit lief ,'the matchless ekxtueitee, the iroilieisintepley,. r:fielsitidiress of heatt;*the attttchment to his Khig, thilcive of his country, which distinguished the 'illiisttious - ttatesmart whose birth they had met to ce - -. 'tebrate. ' These they had repeatedlyheard delineated ifith more - elorpsence from the - Chair on former occa , skins.= He wetild therefore only remind them that Mr.. Pitt proved himself,•threughout his Whole-course, the steady, inflexible, incorruptible patriot. His coun try'i Weal. was The first object in all his designs ; and en himself he never bestowed a thought. His life was - devoted to his Kin 7 and his public duties, and it might truly be said, he sacrificed it to the love of his country. He concluded by proposing " The inf. mortal Memory of William Pitt," three times three, and great applause.: Sir C. Loamtre -begged leave to propose " The health of the President of the Day," whicb was drank with three times three, and Jong continued applause ! The PRESIORNT said, he could not adequately exp , press his sense of the high honour which had been conferred upon him in calling him to the Chair; but he was proud of the opportunity it afforded him of expresiing his admiration of the great sti:t:nman, - whose talents and exertions had saved the cr , untry, the pride of Englishmen, and the envy of the world. Mr. WILLIAM LORAINE begged leave - to propose the health of a Right Hon. Member of the Club, Lord Stewart, and took the oppoitunity of delivering a message from his Lordship, expressing his regret at his unavoidable absence fr o nt the Meeting that day. He was desired by his Lordship to apologise for not having been able to give an earlier answer to their invitation, which was caused by the uncertainty whether he should not have to attend.his Majesty to Vienna r . and also to inform the Club, that his Lord ship was highly sensible df the hon,our of being a member; and to express his readiness to undertake the duties of the Presidentship, if the Club should ho nour hint by requiring his services on any future oc casion, when his public dutiestnight not prevent him. —He had not been able to accept their invitation this year, because he had received his Majesty's corn mands to,preside at a dinner given to theetficers . of the 10th Hussars, and to present-,to- them, in his Majesty's name, a service of plate of the value of £5OOO. His Lordship's health. was drank, with three times three, . . and great applause. - ‘, The rit-n - ;en of NorthuMbeilind," three times three. " The Duke of Wellington aad Isis brave Army, and may their happiness in peace be cquAto their renown in war," Elite& times three.—" Ste the conquiring Werdeoniei.r ; Mr. W. LORAINILuext piropo*d pilot : tkat weathered the storm ;"• and s took o casion to pangy. rise the character of Mr. Pitt on one or . two pciinis, which he belieVed had not been noticed in that room before. The first wa . s; - the firnineii•and serenity of mind with which he met and resisted the - dangers • . of that critical period when . revolutionary France was spreading terror and desolation. over the world.—. Then Mr. Pitt stood firm, and an aimed population started forth at his call. 'Those: t's . rho could not bear arms were ready with their purses; acid thus united, by . his energy, Britannia was enabled,• like an eagle perchedon her cliffs, to look down secure on the hostile array of Europe. Another point was, the dis interestedness of Mr. Pitt ; to say that he neither pocketed the public money, nor lavished it upon his relatives, was saying, little, or rather would be an insult; but he (Mr. W. Loraine) maintained, that for the long period in which Mr. Pitt was the Prime Minister of this great country, he had not !Aker' what may be called the fair advantages of his post (an unexampled instance of moderation), as it was well known that the Cinque Ports had been forced upon him by his late Majesty, as a reward for his matchless talents, integrity, and services. Mr. Lo raine concluded with a quotation applicable to Mr. Pitt, who • • . •• . • fur.' to . bet, • • ne •r: -I(O94MEMARRIORP4I7:f..C,kU. d the been • mt . , 12;4747p.1. Reg, , „ . Do of collf, Slid ; "'' l . ~tmatitajtai to was ' . • ToesdolgotiethuiwbittattilatiNiblieito-orn- .t - tad.j to Marta tit ; a r HE, liovleVerifidko- Cow. , • • -"` No •. .•••• • . o t sle*lTroo aced -the Annitersary or th e loble laud with confidence on the impilbOintitatittifilie tiniest: 1 11' c ou p, :Birth a the illustripies, tt:str,4%. WILIIAII PITT. pass- armee, and it was riot tObidoubted et the repeal naitisi k or , . .by GrandiDitiner,nt Asembly Rooms in New- . lion, thltbekl'itz woold•inereitiethketherimpisi mor.,i4A4 4 4„ v p r o s q f i ts .. .` •,` b rve a . Casa. The • •-r • N 1 as h goulditethet.stippesetioAhet *OM WAgii h i f e a l • Ett.v. - acie . • " flat it bo . oo hOt to gi sitto :i ot . . to . ?BOPP on 14 - • elikausifii"Castie ; *op- ium- what thersailted. by, the .eppel4,4.9l,emppeorp arri s i gt! (c . f . /now gut wheat ) ior ti e ipOrte,o . pn Lona to Bart. than beet would be dank, and geeerAkr ineeit #lo2eab!e • t: pu • )arid oit:!hesteft s Olen! Patt/noT, gtk. 141“ . Irons articles would be contained . Itle`hicr doub 't- Mr.a o'er • othetic . • A i t , .and:S . . l "nc7cOpl_est - tho G. au lle y nY tai- the Noble Marquis looked . ii‘the whole Osolntrywlth not a view of carving it into *taxi* : Was. for Par- . iinnewp, intrietltitqns-ous loyal lament to puirirl Acr2ingi f h. C.... -244 0 r o 'v f elPi T is s iolut if ‘v g- k aht . tha .Bill t int orphiage Ade. ta . ts- • After . the ei!sietrary re 7.4 Eeri e r , performed his part, " With god-like genius and an honest heart !" The toast was then drank with three times threL II ... TILE Museum, No. VI. (a new Weekly Journal devoted to LITERATURE, the FINE ARTS, SCIENCE, ANTIQUITIES, the DRAMA, &c.) published Ist June (price 6d. or:free by post, Is.) contains: I. Letters from Paris.-2. The Literary Botanist. —5. 'che Superficialist.-4. Mr. Strahan's Donation to the Literary Fund. —.5. Observations on Catalani's Singing.-6. 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A letter from Trieste, dated May the 11th, says, gg Thirty European families, who have fled from Scio, arrived here the day before yesterday, and are now in quarantine. According to their account the mas sacre at Scio was dreadful. The women were for the most part sent to Asia, and the men massacred, and the children taken' to - be brotight up in the Maim metan religion." • , - • • Early on Friday se'unight, the body of Mr. John We j lr t far rier, itnheconmifprankeyt ~titer, of Ashley Grove, near Egreniont, was found at a piece called Hblltits, between' Whiteluveu and Egrestinot, in ,t Tireless state, and much disfigured. *ll ,si. c •e b n ad at b H een en vionitthherroctettin'grsithay?lnhdiswwaidy home, about eleven oisloeli that rslght.—A Coroner's inquest WAS held upnu the body oNFeiday, and akaarned• until iiaturday, when a verdict of Wilful STurde: atalnet dome person or persons twknowic was returned. 7 4 . . •