Star. — London, England, 1817-02-14 00:00:00

(Mr. Hunt) had, probably by a dip of the them tong ue, called the present Addreu adulatory, but it efiltalr.?d no expression to justify that character , it "; a can did statement of their feelings, such as be cone theta as freemen to make. The Major had :old them that the principal obstacle they had to en• linter was the borough-mongering faction; but the e r : er rions of that party were confined to the walls of Nome of Commons, and obtained no co-or:ra tio from any class of persons in the country. from Joe Sovereign on the Throne doyn to the poorest nt The conduct of that pally had been well r o.. • corn' fired to that of a pick-pocket? - who , when in d a nger of detection, was the first to cry out •' Stop ;f!" it put him in mind of a story be had once ird ot a dishonest steward, who, whenever a com a was brought against him for improper conduct, is cried out, " Oh, you stole my mantes fag !"—(A la' k.)—ln the same manner, when the le demand their rights, the faction cry out, 'reason ! Treason !"—(Applause.)—Tlsetandea. ' to persuade their Sovereign that loyalty to institution was disloyalty to the Throne, and .mpted to inculcate the doctrine, alike dangerous 0 the Monarch and injurious to the country, that the assertion of liberty was inconsistent with affection to N. person. He alluded to the surrender of the Sine cares, and compared those who gave them up to the leavers, wt.o, when pursued, are represented as being aware of the cause of it, and tear from themselves those parts of their bodies which they know are the objec.s of pursuit. He hoped the example now set wiwlti be effectually followed up by a xemplete spirit. of retrenchment in every department, and particu brly in the military establishments, under which this country could not long continue free. The Sine cures in themselves probably did not amount to a ver'y large sum ; that is, in comparison with the rest ot our enormous expenditure, but they were the cause of other immense sums being lost to the country.-... It was as it a dishonest servant, to put a few shillings in his own pocket, suffered his master to be cheated ' several pounds. (Applause.) They aU knew the rune of a water pump, and had frequently seen a 'set of water thrown into it when the sucker was dry ; it might be asked what signified that bucket of water ? but if that had not been thrown in, no water could have been thrown up ; so that, by - means of ore bucket, the pump might be worked unlit the en tire spring was exhausted. (Loud applause.) In like manner, the sinecures operated as a forcing pump, by which the whole wealth of the nation was placed in the power of the Ministers. (Cheers.). The Hon. Baronet then adverted to the ominous green bag that had been laid on the table of the House of Commons, and he hoped diet if any measures were contens. plated for preventing the free expression of public opinion, the people would meet and remonstrate against theist. He, however, thought, no such laws would be enacted, and even if they were, they could not supersede Magna Clam and the Bill of Rights. He commented on the use - of the *fords " lower classes of society," which he considered as a jargon of modern invention, unknown altogether to the Bri toil Constitution . There was no distinction of classes in this country except that of Lords and Commons. The Lords enjoyed peculiar privileges, and sat in a separate House of Parliament, but all persons not having seats in that House enjoyed an equal satins.- bon in the eye of the law. • Some men, as most seer be the case, were rich, and others poor, bat theit rights were still die same; and the life. liberty, and property bf the humblest individual were equally re spected as those of the most wealthy.—(Appleau.)— He should feel much pleasure in presenting their A,ddress to the Prince. itegent, - ana be • hoped his Royal Highness would ponder on it. and turn to the page of history, the fruitful page of Queen Elisa beth's reign, imitate her wise and magnanimous con duct, and not follow the suggestions of heads or hearts less' good and generous than his own. (ApNinste.) Distant as was the period of that glorious. Queen's reign, the name of Elisabeth still vibrated with plea sure on the ears of every Englishman—she set an ex ample to all' succeeding Princes, which, he trusted, bis Royal Highness would feel a pleasure in follow ing. —(Cosiissatel Applause.) Lord Coennoex returned thanks to the Meeting, as well for their present appeobatioa of his conduct, as for their generous support Of him on more trying matrons. He expected that day to have seen their hustings crowded with some of the exsiessiwly !gal mug but he was surprised to see not one sinecurtst there to express his abhorrent, at the atrocious attack "his Royal Highness. Whis then were his faithful people—( 'l We are , " from several voices).—" Yes, (said the Noble Lord) " you, indeed, are his faith ful people , and 'we oust look for those who threw the stone among the persons who staid away from this Meeting (Lewd App/assu).—The body of the penile were now, as in Elisabeth's days, the surest Saud for the Sovereign's palm; and he trusted that din present Address would open the eyes of his Royal Highness to the titre character of his subjects, and in duce him M proteetthem from the numerous hordes of tax-eaters, whb devoured the wealth and strength , of the country--(Chant).—He censured, in se /eta terms, the last Meeting at the London Tavern. which was intended to delude and insult the people, and ridiculed the fanciful scheme of suns persons in the country (alluding, to the supporters of the, Speneean Plan) who proposed to give up all the land and property of the State into the hands of Government, that a distribution might be made no the people according to their wants. He was sal one of those who would intrust the Governmeat with every thing ; he had already • seen how a large share of the property of the country, in the hands of Go vernment, had been disposed of by them, and could not think of trusting them to a greater Cileat. Su Pose the Government did hold all the property of country, among whom would they distribute it N-. 1 YAmong therdlelves, to be sure, said several persons in the crowd.)—Amoog themselves, certainly, said the Noble Lord, and such a distribution would go a short way towards relieving the distresses of the ` o i n 4 y— (lord applause.) He contrasted the conduct of the Prince Regent in g enerously giving up part of What uodoubted right as Chief Magistrate 431 the Kingdom, with that of the Slams/ins, who, " e jaid, only surrendered what they had no right to, 4 .: ° which they bad too long enjoyed. With respect to '"v attack on the Prince Regent's carriage, it was c " u Watery to them to know, that what Lord James '"'unay had called a pistol shot was only a stone, which endured se c h as e ff ec t ea t h e rytepossies of -the Noble l Lord's ear, that he almost fancied it a 50,000 pounder. ' This great shot, however, was not found in the car riage, but It was now thrown among the people ; and he trusted that they would not den.t until they have caused the sinecurists to heave all their great ihot overboard draw all their ballast from the hold, they would then get top beavy, and the people would ul timately find no difficulty in driving them out of the line. —(Cheers.) He ridiculed the FinAnce Commit tee that had been appointed in the House of Com mons, the majo . rity of which, he said, received fifty thousand pounds a-year of the public money. What confidence could the People repose in their Report (Cries of 46 Nome.") He alluded to the lormation of the Secret Committee which had been formed by the Minister, who hid given lists of those who were to compose it to his minions in the House, and their majority, of course, decided it; and stated that Mr. Brougham had detected the trick by reading a list of the Committee, while the House was going through the mockery of a ballot.—(Loud cries of Hear.) — Only two days ago three Members were found skulk ing an a corner of the House in order to avoid voting on either side of the question, which was whether a Petition for. Reform should be received ? An Ho nourable Member (Mr. Lambton) who deserved a statue for his presence of mind, inquires' of one .of them (Mr. S. Thornton) whether he knew what was the immediate question before the House; to which he replied, that he knew nothing about the matter.— ( largh.) He was then asked en which aide be meant to vote, when he looked about him, and find ing that his own friends were the .1 Noes," he went out of the House and joined them in the lobby,- But this was only one instance of the bias towards the in ter Pits of the public which wai daily exhibited in that House, where, upon a division being called for, a score of Members, who had been pen/iv in the coffee-rooms, might be seen hastening down in order to vote ona subject which had been discussed in their absence. "Oh ! (said the Noble Lord) if you knew the management of that House—if-the rople of England were there but for one day, they wMild not desire to continue there a week." (Applause.) He agaid re turned thanks to the Meeting for the honour they bad done him, and told them that in every thing that concerned their interest they might recktse on his earnest assistance. He should proceed as far as his own judgment would warrant, but beyond that, be could never be driven by the opinions of any other set of persons. (Loud applause.) Mr. Huwr observed, that Sir Francis Burdett had misunderstood him id thinking that he had applied the word , g adulatory" to the present Address. The Address did not merit that epithet, which be had used to designate the one that proceeded from the loyal men at the Loidon TA vern. He then moved the thanks of the Meeting to Major Cartwright, which was granted by acclamation. Major CARTwaIGUT returned thanks in a few words, and promised a cootinmince of his feeble ex ertions. ( Lewd efieffing.) The thanks of the Meeting were likewise voted to the High Bailiff, who complimented them nn .the or der and decorum with which the proceedings had been tonducted, after which be declared the Meeting to be dissolved. The people then peaceably separated. 1 1 4112LL4MENT4IRT PROCEEDINGS. HOUSE OP LORDS. FIBRUARY U. Ceased were Mare in osatiepatisi. touching the Second. or Whiteside Snub of the Qmensberrf Lease Cana. Slather hearing to tabs place tomorrow. After thin proceedies the N 0... asthma to eh for sense dam, ' but no Inisioese was transacted. • The Cape"( Goad Hope Trade Bill Use over fora Second 'said int ' rays • jots • r em 'fro yawed to Cot attimpt :o the It usertio it pers cam, teams aware those p objec s of retr lirly in countr] lures ter) IA of our of othe It was is his a of seve nature bucket dry ; water i could one buy tire 91 manner which the po Baron' had be and he plated opitliol agains would rot su; He cc HOUSE OF COMMONS. Sir JAMES SHAW prematod a Pokiest from certain Inha bitaats of London peculiarly aggrieved by the Tythe Laws, pnyhig &revision. • The Sheriffs of the City of London presented a Petition from the Lord Mayor and Corporation to the sante effect; likewise reepectlag rights to the appointmert of certain °Seers whist& the City** jurisdiction.—Ordered to tie 'on the Table. Sir M. WOOD presented a Petition from certain Inhabitants, pming for the erertioe of a FLIt Market in the West End of the Town... Ordered to Ueion cm Table. The SPEAKER conatouticated to the House that as te-mor. row was the lest thy for receiviag private Pet:dims, he should take the Chair at Imapast dam o'clock precisely. Lord A. HAMILTON postponed his Modes respectiag the Batik Traumatism * midi tomorrow se'nnlght. Mr. LY rnuaobt necks of his Wendel, to whisk a Resolution on the Rh of March spinet the cuntioaance of State Lotteries. The Madhouse Repheisa Bill was read a first thee—second reading Axed for Wednesday sennight. . Mr. PONSONBY, on behalf et an Pleasurable Friend . tif postponed the Motion respecting Irish Grand Juries, mote that day weakish& On the motion of Sir OSWALD MOSELEY, it was ordered, that there be laid before the Hesse an Account of the Quantity of Cocoa Yarn ezwtd he the last tea years. Sir JOHN NIVAWRT moved, that there be hid before the Hesse an Atonal of el lams paid for all Copies of PrverwlinP In the Court of Choosey, in this smeary, and to whom paid, for the laic Ave yam Likderise an Account of the Sums paid on the maw acceitat, la the Court of Chancery in Irelaad.—Ordered. Mr. SAVILLE observed, that in the Papers before the Floes' the Itscidets of the Assessed Taxes were stated is the gross at di million& He therefore Snowed for more detailed 1106 now den—thet there be laid before the House a pirdoldar Return of the Receipts fur die year 5i5.11-17.-oaWed. On the moths of Mr. CALOMEL', it was ordered, that there he hid Weis the Hones ea Amara of the Duties ea Salt, ior the ha your, biliether with an Account of the Amount of the Drawbacks ern the Export don of Foreign Salt. PARLIAMeeTART melons. Lord STANLEY sated, that he be id in his hand Petitions trove various parts of Lansashke Tha Petitioners generally at , tribunal their distresses se she evil remits et a wsr, wantesiy iissaaissestl and neasailly protracted. Amonflt other allevia dens of that dimes they prayed for Parlisineetary Referin.— Their passel Leprosion was, that she Howe did not fully re the People. llnSertamately, they woe to Universal Suf. raid Anneal Ihribiosents—te this exam he would -never eessdi o Ndesish be woad OM to De sue is t s sapport of s Kakis that mein In its eperseile lead to the prudes& corm. tioo if abase, sad toad to reessess de vigour of the Cousin. den. His Leedship then unnamed Positions hem the Torre ships of Camels., ekeerth, OMrae aid from Bekaa, In Lan. eagurs.—Ordsesu tone as the Table. • SAVINGS usu. Mr. ROSE brought up his Bill for the protection of Savings Banks. He was anxious to offer a few remarks, even in that early stagy. The present Bill contained the same clauses as the Bill that passed the House last Sessioo. He bad hoard, amongst other objections, that the parties subscribing to those Pro vident Institutions, did not interfere for Legislative protection, and therefore it was argued to be unne cessary. When in the year 1796 he broset in the Bill for the regulation of the Friendly Societies, the Members of those Associatioas did not then amount to more than 56,000 persons. Subsequendy te the Lertatite eestetteent, they iecreesed considerably. : e n ribe tprehooded at el; present time 800,000 sub. With respect to the Savings Banks, there were now 400,000 contributors. He would not assert that such limitations would immediately effect 'a diminution, of the tour's Rates. but they would gra. dually produce that result, No One could doubt but that other advantageousconsequences—such asgreater economy, sobriety, and industry amongst the work ing classes, 'whilst early and improvident marriages would most probably be checked. The investment in the Funds was, in his judgment, the best security against plunder ; and he thought material encourage ment would be derived, from restricting the Over seers. in the case of Paupers, from any interference with the Principal. He wished to have the Bill read a second time to-morrow, and have the clauses ar gued in the Committee. Sir JOHN NEWPORT expressed a wish that Ireland. in the purview of the propoied all, should be disjoined from jingland. All the clauses relative to the Poor's Rates could have no application to Ira land, while there were Many points necessary for that part of the Kinsdern.that would not apply ler?: Under these circumstances, friendly as he was to the principle, he wished to be understood, as 'living notice of ,his intention to move for leave to bnng in a Bill for the protection of Provident Institutions ia Ireland. Mr. CALCR AFT observed, that he still retained his objections to the proposed Bill. He therefore ex pressed a hope that the second readiuf would be postponed until the week after next. the House , would recollect that the most obnoxious clause, that respecting Paupers, had in the hut Session been dis approved, but that in a subsequent stage the Right Honourable Gentleman, with his friends, contrived to get it re-inserted. Lord MILTON could not acquiesce .in the con clusion drawn by the Right Honourable Gentleman, respecting the diminution of the Poor's Rate. In his judgment its immediate operation would go to place on those Rates persons otherwise not entitled. The Bill was then read a first time, add the second read. iug fixed for to-morrow se'nnight. MISSIONS AND CONSULSHIPS. Mr. LAMBTON gave notice ofhis intention to submit a motion on Tuesday the 25th instant, re specting the appointment to foreign Missions. He at present begged to move that there be laid before the House a return of all Missions and Consulships under his Majesty to foreign Ports, up to the latest period, with the Salaries and Allowances : the na ture and number of other Offices held by persons filling them, with the periods of leaves,of absence, if any granted ; and whether the persons have at the same time received their allowances.-. Ordered ; and likewise a Return of such Missions and Consulships in the years 1792, 1799,• and 1814. ;NAVAL WAIL SALAMIS!. Lord MILTON moved, that there be laid before the House a Return of all the OEScis connected with the Navy and Dock-Yards, whose Salaries vary in Peace and War, distinguishing those that received the War Salary during the late attack-cm Algiers. PUBLIC ZINTSPI4 . Mr. BROUGHAM gave nittice of his intention to submit s motion on the distressed state of the Trade and commerce of the Country on the 4th March next. WARRINGTON PETITIOZt. Mr: WILBRA HAM 800 rLE reminded • the I House that some nights past a Petition was presented by an Honourable and Learned Gentleman (Mr. Brougham), complaining of an obstruction to chat ,right of public exptnsion, by certain persons in War rington, Lancashire. The parties complained of, namely, Mr. Edward Lyon and his uncle, deny all partipipation in the alleged abuse. ,He held in his hand a Petition from Mr. Edward Lyon, which alleged that on the 25th of January last ,he beard a great uproar, and *bus and cry of « Stop thief," in the street, adjoining his uncle's residence; that he felt it his duty, as a Special Constable, to proceed to the spot; that he there discovered a man of the name of Borough, whom he previously knew to be of ho nest character, in custody of two individuals, on the charge of stealing a Petition in favour of Parliamen tary Reform—that Borough declared that the Peti tion was taken in joke, on which be.liberated him, with the understanding of his being ready to appear when duly summoned before the competent Autho rity. The Petitioner alleged that his uncle, the acting bligistrate on whose interference a stress had been *ad, laboured under a paralytic infirmity for some ears past. Mr. BROUGHAM observed, that no further stress was laid on the case of the senior Mr. Lyon, save that the Petition was carried to his house. he being the Magistrate that application was made to have the Petition returned, but was not complied with. When he presented the former Petition he distinctly stated, that he wished to give the parties implicated the opportunity of stating their justifica tion. That power was afforded them by the persons who felt it a daty to complain of the obatroction.— He bad since learnt that the uncle bad been confined for years under a distressing infirmity. Mr. WILBRAHAM BOOTLE, is explanation, stated the reason why be bad used . the word stress was, that the Learned Gentleman (Mr. Brougham) in presenting the former Petition, had desired the House to bear in remembrance, that the Petition said to be taken was conveyed to the home of the Ma• gisttate. The fact was, that an obscufe individual had carried it off by the way of . joke. On the Motion that the Petition do lie on the table. Mr. BROUGHAM, although he was glad that an opportunity had been offered to this Gentleman thus to come before the House, contended that the attack contained in his Petition on the parties by whom the complaint of his conduct had originally bees made, was by ne meats. justified.. The Gentle man, it seems, was afraid of giving back the pro perty which had been run away wigs. had no doubt been nicer on this subject than in a case ot or dinary property I and yet the Petition wain property of greater value at that period thai ordinary pro perty, as it was of no value taxless immediately re turned. He appealed to all who bad heard the ori ginal Petition. whether there was any thing in the conduct of those Petitioners that justified the epithets of " vile, malignant, base. unfounded, and false." which had been applied wit by the present Petitioner. Lord'STANLEY, not having been present when this subject was brought Wore the House the other evens& wished to say a fairy words upon it. He had thought it his duty to inquire into the circutts •stances of the transaction, and the character of the Gentleman who had been implicated in it; and it was but due to that Gentleman to state, that every thing which be had heard of his character was highly honourable to him. Whether or not, in the present instance, he had maintained that character, lie was rather inclined to doubt. Certainly he had had nothing to do with the transaction until he heard the cry of " Stop Thief!" He then'raa into the street, and seeing in custody a man whom he knew to be a perfectly honest and industrious nem, he took him into his house, when the man immediately told him what had happened, and gave the Petition into his hands. So far all was retest ; but he ( Lord Stan ley) did not think Mr. Lyon justified in with holding the Petition from those from whom it had been takes, and retaining it in his possession. As those -persons had followed the party into the room, it would appear that the natural course for Mr. Lyoa to have taken was to return the Petition to them im mediately. This, however, lie omitted to do. He concurred with his Honourable and Learned Friend, that the Petition became of no value unless returned at the moment. Looking, therefore, at all the cir cumstances of the case, he certainly thought the con duct of this Gentleman had been injudicious and im proper. He would not apply to it any stronger terms of disapprobation, because he was persuaded that it arose solely from an error of judgment. Mr. W. BOOTLE allowed that Mr. Lyon had rot exercised a spend judgment in the affair, but denied that any other' imputation whatever eon id rest on him. Mr. WYNN censured Mr. Lynn's conduct asinja dicious and improper. What w is the duty of a consta ble under such circumstaffees ? Had he considered the act a theft, he ought to have taken the thief and the property before a Magistrate. Had he considered it a joke, he ought to have returned the property to its • owners. The Petitioner, however, did not say a single word of having returned, or of intending to return, to the owners the Petition which had been carried off. In fact, the very tone of his address to the House was censurable, for it was not a tone of contrition, as it ought to have been, but of justifica tion exclusively. Sir F. BURDETT askeeilwhether or not the Pe. tition which had been run away with had been given back to the owners ? Mr. W. BOOTLE implied, that he knew nothing further of the business than was.comprehended in the statement made by the Petitioner. The object of the Petition was to shew that he had no intention or dis. position to deprive any of his Majesty's subjects of any part of their privileges. Sir C. MONCK observed, that there appeared to be a determination on the part of the Petitioner • to continue that detention, which. whether a joke or otherwise, was, an unwarrantable act. Mr. W. BOOTLE contended, that there was no settled plan on the part of the Petitioner to raid in the proceeding which had occurred. The prayer of the Petition was simply that the House would disiniis from their minds the prejudice on that score, which the for mer Petition was calculated to excite. The Petition was then ordered to lie on the table. COURT OF MO% BENCH. Mr. CASBE RD rose, in consequence of his Aotiee, to move for leave to bring in a Bill to facilitate the 'progress of business in the Court of King's Beach, in Westminster Hall. The present means of tran sacting the particular business to which his Notion referred, were wholly insufficient. Redress of Ore evil could be obtained only by adopting one of two courses; either by an internal arrangement in the Court itself, or by a different distribution of tl.e bu siness. The rift of b#tiness transacted in the Court might be considered in one IA two points of view : cisher as formal, or as substantial. A priori. it would appear, that the formal business ought to be made to yield to the substantial. The reverse, however, hap pened to be the case. The adding and justification of bail, as a matter of necessity, must precede every other business. The accumulation of this business delayed the other proceedings of the Cqprt. Without going out of his way to bestow a panegyric on the Learned Judges of that Court, for their anxiety to do all in their power to facilitate the business of the Court, he would say, that they had done every thing they could to semedy this particular evil.-- They had allotted a period out of the vacation, in order to bring up the arrears of the preceding term. This, however, proved an inadequate and an ineor venieat proceeding. Inconvenient, as it required the attendance of persons who at that time were wanted. elsewhere—inadequate, as no judgment could be given until the ensuing term. • Some more efficient remedy was therefore desirable; and that .which he wished to propose, appeared to him to be both simple, and unobjectionable. He - proposed, that it should be made competent to one of the Judges of that Court to sit apart for the purpose of receiving justifications of bail ; and that during theiotervaiiin which he was so engaged, it should. be competent to the other Judges of the Court to sit-in banes), and proceed as. usual. At present, it was true that one Judge sat in the Court to receive justifications of bail,but he was. considered by thelaw as the representative of the whole Court ; and although the other three Judges came down to Westminster Hall, they remained During that period in their own room in inactivity arid suspense.—.. He was cot one of those who thought that the Le. gislature ought to be called on :u tnieriere• on trifling occasions. But this was a serious evil. It was ou e too which was rapidly increasing . rn:the last twenty years, the justifications of bsil had increased three. fold in number. In 1795 they were only 700 ; in the last year they amounted to between two and three, thousand ; and were alteratop.tO be made in the Insolvent Act, that number, would in all probability; be still further augmented. • It• was. therefore a seri ous and a permanent evill loudly calling for a legit- • t at i ge remedy. The Honourable and Learned Gen. tleman concluded by •moving for leave to bring in a Bill, &c. Mr. LOCKHART allowed the magnitude of the evil which had been described by • the Honourable and Learned Gentleman. He doubted, however, whether it was advisable to snake the decisi.ins of the Court of King's. Bench legal,. when only three of the Judges were sitting. Our ancestors had felt the im portance and value of ordaining that there should be tour Judges in every one of the three Courts of Law. In his opinion; the appointment of a Commissioner would be the preferable mode ; and the expense of such Au. appoinuneut could not by any means be