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OLD IMILST.—Tats DAY. Beroat MR. JUSTICE DAYLNY AND HAIM HOLLAND. TRIAL OF MR. ST. JOHN LONO. At ten o'clock this morning John St. John Less was placed at the , st to take his trial, on an indictment charging him with feloniously 'silent; and slaying Caroline Campbell Lloyd, by rubbing, washing, or i eneine the breast of .he said Carolina Cetupbell Lloyd with a certain „ cid peletration, prepared by himself , and thereby causing an indam. 0 . d o n, and also a sickness, Atom which she lanquisheol and died. The ATNIIINEY-GENEHAL stated the case. It would be idle to sup. po se that they were ignorant of the circumstances of the case; but he :a iled upon their. to dismiss from their minds all they might har e heani or read on the suhject, and to confine themselves :0 the evidence they would that slay hear. The deceased la. siuntil u „d cr ' nervous complaint, known by medical nisi as glohs hystericus, and which caused an unpleasant suernmks :n the throat. In every other respect her health was wait. , 1 ,1.., 0 nd • hue being anxious to get rid of the trifling inconvenisein ;used thereby, she was induced to apply to the defendant, who cause* at to be rubbed on the breast with e preparation, the nature of ride!' was not known. The first rubbing took place on the 6th of October, and the effects were almost immediately such as to excite the :neatest alarm in the mind of her friends, and the defendant was spoken on the subject ; hut instead of expressing any alarm or doubt on the subject, lie said that every thing sou going on just as he would seb. On the 12th of the same month she died, and it would le for them to say, whether the application used by the elsoner was the cause of death. The defendant, it was ad. seced, was not brought up to the study of medicine ; but he did not ii,;l this circumstance to prejudice him. The question for them would 1, ? . Whether he was sufficiently acquainted with the particular disease :-tler which the deceased laboured, to justify recourse to the powerful nt.:,licine he used. f.vidence was then led, which supported the charge of the Learned Among the witnesses, were-- Capt. h. Lloyd, It N. examined—l am a Post Captain ;in the :ronth of September 1. came from Cheltenham, where I reside, to Lon ; I was accompanied by my wife and family ; Mrs. Lloyd and my. :clf became acquainted with the prisoner In consequence of seeing him ,veral times at the house of a friend in the fiampstea? road, where he as professionally employed ; Mrs. Lloyd was in consequence Induced to a pply to him; she represented to him that she had a choking sensation in the throat. It was on the Gth of October that she first became his rodent. She had previously been in the habit, when she caught a cold, of applying a small blister to her throat. She bad applied one ou Sun. day the 3rd of °nether, but the part to which it was applied had income nearly well by the GM of October. Aftes having recourse to t he defendant, she visited him each day successively from the 6th to the 10th or Oct. On the latter day she complained to me of a violent burning en her chest and breast. 1 in consequence was induced to ex 3eine then:, mid found them much starker than the other parts. The followirg day she war very unwell, and compelled to keep her bed during the greater part of it. She complained of great sickness her stomach, and of being very dry. I saw her chess and breast eat :lay, and ,found it presented a great degree of lividness, with a es& spot hi the centre, front which there was ti ttischarge. A ebeage leaf had been applied two days previously to the parts by lirection, as t understood, of the prisoner. The deceased com plained of no odd sensation all ode. her. On the morning of the twelfth I again saw her breast. It was more puffed up and ,!arket ; and round the edges of the livid parts there were small blisters. The discharge had extended Itself to all parts of the bosom, ra she tempi:tined of considerable irritation. Wherever the ells. c: , arge went, the flesh mortified, and the skin came off. She 1..1. on the twelfth extremely unwell, and had no appetite, nil in cense:pence went to the prisoner at his residence. adonmanied her. The prisoner expressed his surprise that she had rot come more regularly, to go 1111 with die rubbing. t :old him it was impossible, she e.as so very ill ; and that she had been constantly unwell since Sunday night ; lie said be dare say the. would very soon go off, as cat generally the case ; I told hint of e shivering fit she had on Sunday night, for which we hail given her some hot wine and water, as she was ;ling to bed ; he said, in reply, that hot brandy and Ovate' would have been a better thing, and to have put her head under the bed clothes. I described to him the appearance of her breast, and told hint how bad it was; to which he replied, that it was generally the case in the first instance, but t h at it would go off as she got better. There was, he said, no fear or danger to be apprehended. On going away, I requested him to call and see her, which he did on the evening of that day. I was present at the time. In the course of the day, Mrs. Lloyd had taken off the cabbage leaf, and had applied a common healing salve so the parts. The prisoner on seeing her, said he was sotry to see her so unwell, and told her she ought to hate endeavoured to have got up and come to him, and he would have given her sotrething to relieve her. She said it was impossible, she Le so very ill; and that with her breast open in the way it was, it would he dangerous. The prisoner then asked to look at it, and on seeing I: observed those greasy plasters have no business there, and that she ought to have centinued the cabbage leaf. She told him she could not bitr the pain. tie then took off his great coat, and said he would rub ::oce which 'would give her relief. She exclaimed out with fright at ee idea of such a thing in the state her breast then was. Ile asked her ela• she wanted and she said relief, end that she wanted to have the round healed up. He said 't would never heal with those salves :Ton it : he called for a towel, and began applying !t to the centre of wound, whence the discharge came, and recommended the applica bof old linen ; but he said she might apply a blister if she pleased, and when the wounu had skinned over he would rub it again. She said me thought she never could submit to being rubbed again, from what she was suffering. Ile then went away. He called on the following day. bhe was in very low ttpirits awn pain and fever, and afraid of any thing touching het breast; she declined seeing him, and begged of me not to let him come to her, and in Piece be never saw her then or afterwards. Dom:. Camden had been called in to attend her the previous day. end cord:wed to visit her till she died, which took place on the 6th Nov. beirq exactly a month and day after her first application to the de- Cross-examined by Mr. AeexT—The prisoner visited at the house of the deceased's mothet ; Dr. Camden bad seen her on the evening of the 12th, previously to the prisoner calling. The Timmer, on seeing her night., complained to the salve which bad been applied, as improper, and calculated to counteract the effects of his system. He said it would eat heal the place. When the prisoner said he would rub it out, I did nn understand hint to mean the plaster, but the effects of his own pre paration ; Dr. l'unce was called in to the deceased about the 24th December : Or. Camden had alone attended her up to that time ; he is quite a young man; an extraordinary person who might beat physician for what know, cal l ed , and was allowed to KC the deceased ; he said he canie front the primmer ; the deceased had for many years been at. Meted with the complaint. it her throat, and had been attended by dif. fated eminent physicians ; I had a son under the prisoner's care fur 45out a fortnight previously to the deceased consulting him for herself ; 'he had been in the orbit of accompanying her son on his visits to him, Ad it was iron: that eircutestruice that she was induced to consult hien herself. By the Judge.-1 did tot see the deceased pay the prisoner any less, tu t I Gnd from entries in a book kept by her, that she paid bin: a Pound on each visit. Mrs. Elisabeth Campbell examined.-1 was present when the pri soner tisited the deceased on the 12t1: of October, and saw him apply a towel to her breast to absorb the discharge. It was then ID a dreadful state, and more inflamed than when 1 saw it the slay before. The wound in the centre whence the db. charge came was as large as a breakfast cup. On the moaning of that day the cabbage-leaf had been removed, end spermaceti oirtmeht spread on linen, applied. 'l'hc deceased complained of gnat pain in her cheat, and the prisoner offered to rub it nut, but she fused to let hut. lie the:* asked her what she wished to have doss. and she said she wished to have the place healed up, and he told her she reieht Reply a blister for that porpose. He then went away; he called the next day, but was net permitted to see her. Croseexamintd.—l did not aecerepany the deceased to the Coronet's inquest on bliss Cashin, but I know she attended it. It was after that, aid with her husbetid's consent and knowledge, that she applied to the prisoner. On the 10th of October she hash a shivering fit; she had been out that day ; she told me she had been to the prisoner's house, which ein liarley.street. I have heard her complain repeatedly of her throat before the prisoner attended her ; she used to go to Dr. F arce on the subject. The prisoner immediately on seeing the breast of the deceased, on the evening of the 12th of October, expressed his disapprobation of the greasy planter being applied.-( s ene trial was proceeding when our Raper went to press.) Ir. Conn MT.:: A btotit half-past two o'clock yesterday 11 A) London Grand Jury came into the Sessions Hall with a ‘onsiderable number of Bills, which they had in the course of the morning, f oun d ; amongt w hi c h was one aga i nst M r. 1111bant Cobbett, ari s in g , as we un d erstoo d , out o f t h e pub .qratiun of his late addresses to the agricultural population, [ lo .::slied in his " Weekly Register." A Bench Warrant, , itmed by Mr. Baron Bailey and Mr. Justice Bosanquet, immediately issued for his apprehension.—Chronick.- 1,(. understand that it is Mr. Cobbett's intention, to move ith action by a writ of certiorari, into the Court of King's tench. IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. HOUSE a 1 - 75 1 1 --- tus, FEB. 18. The Postmaster's General Bill was read a third time and passed. The Duke of RICHMOND moved for a copy of the Report of the Select Committee in the House of Commons on the subject of the Pour Lawa. The Earl of ROSEBERRY presented a petition from Falkirk in favour of Reform. Lord KING presented a petition from Chichester, in favour of re duction in taxes ; also several petitions from different parts of Ireland for the repealed the Union. Lard KENYON presented a petition from Monmouthshire against slavery. On the motion of the Marquis of SALISBURY, the Poor Laws Amendment Bill was read a first time. The Earl of WINCHILSEA presented a petition from Sitting bourne for the employment of labourers ; also petitions from Lenbain and several other places, praying for the repeal of the malt duties.— The noble earl concurred with the prayer of the petitioners, and ob served, that it was his firm belief that the measure of last year, with re ference to the beer duties, which was carried into effect by his Ma jesty's late ministers, had been the means in a great degree of causing those disturbances which had taken place. He strongly recommended the present ministers to do away with the malt tax altogether, and to revise the land tax. The Duke of WELLINGTON denied that the course pursued by his Majesty's late Ministers had produced the effects attributed to them by the noble earl, observing, that it must be remembered that measure did not take effect till October last, whereas the consequences attributed to it were in full force long prior to that period. COAL TRADE. The Duke of WELLINGTON, seeing the noble earl at the head of his Majesty's Government in his place, wished to know whether minis ters, in the measure they intended to bring forward for the reduction of duty on seaborne coal, bad adopted any plan by which it would be re. lieved fr om several of the local t:uties attaching upon it, particularly ad and 101 duties for the purpose of the building London-bridge :.—he, the Duke of Wellington, having no doubt, if those duties were not taken off, thermessure prop by Ministers would not have that beneficial of which it was generally considered it would have.— (Hear, hear.) Earl GREY had no doubt that great evils arose from the manner lin which the coal trade was conducted in the City of London. With respect to the first object of the noble duke, he (Earl Grey) under stood there was a bill about to be introduced into the other house.— With respect to the ad and 10d duties fir ;the purpose of building London-bridge, that was a subject that would have to be further con sidered, because ft was desirable, if possible, to relieve the coal untie from the pressure of that exitorbitant duty, but at the same time he ' could not but observe to the noble duke that It was only a temporary ' measure which would soon be removed in consequence of the comple -1 Ron of the object for which it was imposed. The Marquis of BUTR thought it but justice to his Majesty's late Ministers to say that they were the first who instituted any inquiry ' into the state of the coal trade. The Marquis of LONDONDERRY could not give the late Go vernment the credit which the noble marquis seemed anxious to as. critic to them, firmly believing that had they been in power at the pre. sent moment, his Majesty's subjects would have never been relieved from the coasting duty on coal. ORRICE The Earl of ABERDEEN said, it would be recollected that last year he laid on the table of the House certain papers relative to the affairs of Greece; with reference to these papers, he wished to know from the Noble Earl at the head of his klajesty'eGovernment, whether any, and what negodation was now pending, having for its object the extension of the Greek territories; he was led in the present Instance to put that question to the Noble Earl (Grey,) in consequence of having recently read a report of a speech made by a Member of the French Cabinet In the Chamber of Deputies, in which he stated that the pre. sent settled state of Greece was entirely owing to the intervention of the arms of France, and that for her own honour France was bound to an extension of the Greek bonndaries. Earl GR KY observed that he did nut at present know that there was any thing in the way of negotiation going forward upon the sub ject, nevertheless, there might be. If, however, the Noble Earl had given any notice of his intention to put a question on such a subject, he (Lord Grey) would have been better prepared to have given an answer to it. This, however, he would say, that if an alteration could be made with good faith, which would assign certain limits to the Greek States, such a result would be most desirable for the future safety of the country. REFORM. The LORD CHANCELLOR presented a petition from 21,700 inhabitants, merchants, &c. of Edinburgh, complaining of the present state of the Representation in that city. His Lordship observed that he most fully concurred in the prayer of the petition. He believed it must be known to most of their Lordships that, independent of this connection with Misters he always had been a warm friend of a safe, temperate and constitutional Reform of the Representation of the ' people and that he was as far as any of those conscientious individuals whom he must designate as opponents to this measure, from adv any rash, vain, or unsubstantial speculations on a subject of so mu importance. The plan to be brought forward had, after the most ma., Lute deliberation and most anxious scrutinizi received the most una nimous approbation of his Majesty's confidential servants and advisees.' But as to the nature of that plan in should not say one word more, either of its details or its general tendency, for the resolution to submit it to the consideration of Parliament was not more unanimous than the resolution not to disclose any portion of that plan until it should be re. gularly submitted to the House. That course of conduct was necessary to do common justice to the measure Itself, and was dictated by a most profound respect for both Houses of Parliament, as well as the highest branch of the Legislature—he meant that most gracious Prince whom he had the honour to serve, and who, with the full knowledge of all the details, had given the measure his warmest noncurrent* and appro. bation. The LORD CHANCELLOR then presented a number of peti tions, signed by 22,000 inhabitants, merchants, ate. of Glasgow. The noble lord presented also a similar petition from Cornwall. He took the opportunity of correctieg an error which had gone abroad respect. ing the nature of the Reform proposed by his Majesty's Government. He had been asked whether the plan was the plan of the Government, or the plan of the Paymaster of the Forces supported by the Govern ment, and that he would answer what was the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, that it was, to ail intents and purposes, the plan of the Government, brought forward by the Paymaster of the Forces, and not the plan of the Paymaster of the Forces, supported by the Government. Earl GREY then presented a great variety of petitions to the same effect front various places in England and Scotland, which were laid on the table of the House. Lord DURHAM presented a petition from Durham for commu tation of tithes ; After which their lordships adjourned till Monday. L'( ?USE I I F COM H)NS, FEB. 18. ?IRMO AND mINCHZIAIA ILICTION...-11ZPOCTS ?MIRROR. Sir E. KNATCHBULL presented the Report of the Truro Elec tion Committee; and Sir G. HURRAY that of Wineltelsea Eke lien Committee ; both Reports confirming the return of the sitting blembers.—Reports ordered to lie on the table. Sir E. KNATCHBULL obtained leave to bring in the Herne Bay (Kent) Bill Sir R. WILSON presented, a petition from the South London Water-works Company for a new MlL—Referred to a Committee. INDOMMIK? or Raw CRUICRIS. Mr. HUGHES HUGHES presented a petition for the alteration of the New Churches' Building Acts, so that the building of Churches might be encouraged. Mr. Mal E concurred in the prayer of the petition. Mr. WI LKS also approved of the prayer of the petition. Petition ordered to be printed. A new writ was ordered for the borough of Wbitchurch, In the room of the Hon. R. Townsend, now Lord Sidney. ROSOUGH OF EVESHAM DISFRANCHISEMENT. The Marquis of CHANDOS moved for leave to bring in a bill to exclude Betaken' from the representation, and to transfer the franchise to Binningham.—Leave given. REFORM PETITIONS. The Lord ADVOCATE presented petitions for parliamentary rs. form from Perth. Ross (this was for the ballot also) Canongate, Edits. burgh, &c. one front Scotehmea residing in Dublin. Mr. O CONNELL said he was extremely glut that these pedaloes had not hat their Scotch nationality. (Mr. O'C. took his meal place in the House, and appeared there soon after the Speaker,took the Chair.) The Lord ADVOCATE then presented a petition from incorpo rated merchants of Edinburgh, for the repeal of the assessed taxes. DISFRANCHISRMINT OF EVESHAM. The Marquis of CHANDOS brought in the Bill to disfranchise Evesham, and transfer the franchise to Birmingham.. —Read a first time. and ordered to be read a second time on Monday se'nnight. His Lord ship moved foe various Returns respecting the persons laving the right to vote, &c. Mr. HUME trusted that some care would be taken to prevent ano. ther expense of 10,0001. on account at election witnesses. Why not name a day after the Reform question previously fixed ? The Marquis of CHANDOS said he was sincere, and should press the motion on the 28th. Mr. O'CONNELL considered the proceeding most extraordinary it appeared like desiring to throw obstacles in the way'of the great and general motion for Reform on the following day. Mr. KENNEDY spoke to the like effect. Mr. LITTLETON was ready to admit the Noble Maquies sin cerity in desiring the Reform of corrupt boroughs; but be thought the motion ought to he fixed for a day after the Reform motion, the dis cussion on which no doubt would last a week or ten days. (Hear.) Sir GEORGE CLERK considered that the noble marquis was per. fecdy correct, the business ought not to be delayed : was it a matter of ro consequence to continue the suspension of a writ ? and he warned o nly means calculated to relieve Ireland appeared to the honourable the noble lord to bring it on before. The day for the second reading member to be that a large sum shou'd be advanced to this district. He might be changed; but it ()ugh. not to be delayed, for the general tad not mean to ask it as a gift, but to lay it out as a lost, to the ti. question was fixed for March. I bents, giving government a print claim to landlords or tithe-codecuwe Mr. J. WOOD mid that the course of proceeding was most extra- for repayment. The sum required would be at lease eOO.OOOl. which ordinary. and the effect of fixing the second reading for the 23th was ! was estimated at the moderate calculation of 21d. per day for each per quite obvious. 11. was to he hoped that the bill would be a work of taupe- son. The Marquis had remained at home instead of comb gto fill his rerogation. if the reform moti on d oes a ny t hing. li e did not question the place in the House of Peers, and he bad beets liberal, and shown a Noble Marquis's sincerity, with his view of !reform. only he objected to good example ; hut all his efforts, unsuppottcd, could not preserve all the time fixed for the second reading. He should move hereafter, that the people in Ireland from starvation. The honourable member ain the speaker's warra n t. for winsome should not require their attendance proved of the determination which had been expressed by the bottom. 1 till March 18. (Hear.) able secretary for Ireland, not to submit t"e subject to a committee ; fttr Mr. G. BANKS approved of the course adopted by the Noble he (the hon. member) was of opinion that, whatever was to be dune ter Marquis. Ireland, must be done at once. He had reties kept within than exag- Lord MORPETH did not wish to damp the ardour for Reform gusted the statements. The loan might be disposed as to be Profitable, which now distinauished some gentlemen opposite. and he hoped the Government would adopt such measures as would Mr. S. BOURNE thought the time for the second reading ought to prevent a cause of appeal occurring again, by affording the means of be extemled.—( Hear.) employeent to the labourers; and next year the Government could 11r. HUNT said the bill was most unjust, because that of which come in with their claim before the landlord and tithe collectot. (Meer.) Evesham was charged three-fourths of the boroughs werekuilty of, as was Mr. O'GORM AN l'il AHON said be was sorry to say that the 2.131e we1l known to nine-tenths of the bleutbers.—(Hear.) There was a law ntents e :licit had been given by the hon, member who spoke last were against :Acting any thin; tending to bring the House into contempt, and not exaggerated, and the county of Clare, which he (Mr. O'Gorman yet the East &tend affair, which occupied the House four years, he Mahon) bed the honour to represent, was in an equally read state. The never heard mentioned out of the House without seeing people burst iron, member paid a high compliment to the Marquis of Sligo and It. into loud Laughter. The bill now proposed was partial and unjust, and O'Donnell, for their benevolent conduct towards eviatininthedistrese, he should oppose it. If the Noble Marquis would press his bill they and regretted that the same philanthropic disposition was not generally must oppose it as well as they could, for it could only card to bring that prevalent among the landlords. The hon. member proceeded to say, Ilnuse into increased disrepute. that there was one means for the relief of the country, which was within i e hlr. S. RICE said the expense or twinging witnesses was enormous ; tire immediate reach of the Government, and could be easily appro he did not oppose the motion, but he wished to speak of the expenses. priated, namely, the church property, which had been set aside with the Gen. GASCOIGNE raid if Birmingham was to he franchised, were provision of supporting the poor; and be hoped that the Government boroughs to be disfianchitteel. would immediately appropriate it to its proper purpose. He was sorry Mr. STANLEY said, why not wait for the reform motion, that to throw out any reflections against the measures of the Noble Chancel might render this bill unnecessary. and save vast expense ? Isar ef the Exchequer, but he regretted tbat any taxes should have Sir C. WEI'IIERELL observed, that the Lord of the Admiralty bete projected on passengers by steam-vessels, as it would be a barrier had said if the Reform motion wax not carried Parliament would he di.. to labourers coning from Ireland to this country, where they could solved. (Cheers.) flow could the bill, then, are introdeced ? Ile earn a little, lie hoped is was not done fbe that purpose, bat he rather could not rely on the Secretary for Ireland, as he was not in the Cahi. feared that the tax had had that object in view. If the Noble Chan net, though hem what be bad done elsewhere, he was w ropy to be of I tailor would consent to take the funds of the Church and appropriate the Cabinet. (Cheers.) The ilefonn question would riot embrace them to their proper use, and not put the tax on the passenger. in Evesham from the fact that it was to be disfrenchised on the ground of , steam-boats, he (the Hon. Member) would never again obtrude himself its delineuency. There might have been large sums expended for lon the House. Penryn ant', East tietford, tut did it follow that so large a sum was to; Mr. J. SMITII said that the distress in Ireland was very great, and he expended for Evesham ? Ile hoped the noble marquis would pease. Ihe specified several cases, particularly in the vicinity of Tipperary. lie vere, and nor be taunted out of his motion. said that there was but one remedy for the evils, and for which he was Mr. R. RICE explained. Ile only wished expense to he spared till prepared to vote, which was a system of poor laws in Ireland. there was a chance of pmsecuting the inquiry; and that was his opinion 1 Mr. STANLEY said that he was bound to rise to notice the many now. (Hear.) catements that had been made. lie would have been happy to say Sir J. GRA lIAIII had not said that Parliament would be dissolved, that the statenumu had been exaggerated; but he was sorry to say that he had glanced at the probability of such result ; and he now repeated, from communications he had received, such was not the case except in if the Reform question were lost, it was probable the Parliament would two places, which had beat enumerated. The hon. Secretary read a be dissolved. (Cheers.) The Ministers were pledged to the country to petition from the inhabitants, praying for relief in the most moderate propose Refrem r it would be full, real, effectual, and substantial It terms, and expressing their willingness to be industrious if they had the would net be illusory it would not be of the Evesham character—it means. The iron. Secretary called the attention of the house, that the woull he such—ee he should be no party to it—it must be that reform o cation breathed no vein of insubordination. He would ask the meat. that he could vindicate T•ciure his constituents. r for Clare how Ministers were to prevent ditties.. That hon. mem- Lend MORPETII had considered that any ministers in their senses 1 bin had proposed to remedy the distress by an act of spoliation. The hon. Secretary said that he had occasion to blame the landlords in one (and he considered the present to be so), would not propose what they termed teal and effectual reform that did not include Birmingham. aespeet ; fur in the district of the half Barony of I eris, the rental of which was 10,0001. when a subscription was sent about the landlords Cal. DAVIS said, he undoubtedly considered the great question of had only subscribed 1001. Ile sa. sorry to speak in harsh terms.— early as possible. If a dissolution of Parliament, however, took place, or no reform, of very essential importance to be discussed as The Marquis of Sneer had imported 8,0001. worth of flax to give em ce, playpen' in his district ;and he (the hon. Secretary) was sure that if undoubtedly it would take place before the noble marquis (Chemins) could bring in his bill. Ile knew Evcaham to be one of the most cot- the landlords would follow that example, Ireland would not have oces rupt boroughs ; and if his Majesty's ministers did not mean to diefran. don in appeal to Great Britain in this manner. In answer to the quo chile that borough, and give the franchise to some other place, he hoped lion, be would say that he agreed to the proposition of granting a sum the noble marquis would persevere in his bill, and in doing so he should for relief, taking care that it was applied to the proper purposes. To the have his support. Barony of Erris and some others he thought that money might be laid good Mr. CA SIPBELL regarded the present discussion as a skirmish, out to. account. taking place before the general battle of the Ist of March commenced ; Sir R. PEEL disapproved of Government interfering in these ex and he thought the even, of that hattle would very much depend on the traordiesey cases, as it would only tend to make those who ought to fate of the present rkirmish. He had the hieheet opinion of the noble interest themselves more careless, of which there was as instance in the landlords who had only subsaibed 1001. And he also disapproved marquis, but he could not divest himself a the persuasion that this of the means that bed been proposed to remedy an evil by an act of was nothing but a mere mancenvre on the pat of the noble marqui s— (Cries of No, no.) It appeared like it to the hon. member, and if the spoliation—to rob the landlord : rather than such a measure should be motion were to he carried for thc summonses to be issued for the 28th adopted, be, as an English gentleman, would come forward to contribute of February, nis firm opinion was, that the measure of reform would his Blaney. The hon. baronet cautioned the Government against adopt. be lost to all intents and purposes, If the second reading of the bill was fag any false proccedingte lest the precedent might be baneful. to take place then. An explanation ensued between Mr. Baowx, Mr. Weston, and The SPEAKER observed, that the house had previously decided Mr. STAXLIT. the Evesham Disfranchising Bill should be read a second time can the Sir J. BURKE said a few words, chiefly in eulogy of the conduct of 28th of February, and the simple question now was, whether the wit. the Marquis of Sligo. AMOS should be ordered to attend on that day six weeks. Sir J. NEWPORT spoke at some length, bat he was sot heard in Col. TRENCH thought nothing could excuse the hon. and learned the galle Mr. W r SE said he approved of the sentiments of the Hon. Seere gentleman opposite in attributing . mancenvre' to the noble marquis. a wrong principle iu all good governments, to except his being absent when the present discussion began. He was eery, that it would be advance large sums In such cases. He would be more anxious to Ix desirous of asking the hon. member for Preston a question. The hon. the minds of the House to devise some means more substantial, than member for Preston had said that Evesham would not be afraid of in. that year after year Ireland should come asking relief in this way. It auiry, because there were many other places as bad as It. How &mid this be consistent with: any thing like sound sense? Was the hon. was little credit to Britain, that, after a ant" of e° many years, ire. be in land should this state—it was a broad indication of bad Govern member prepared to went that one Ime when detected was nest to be prosecuted because It odor not be in his power to hip bold of the eee , ment. With regard to what bad been said of the apathy of the land '"' of the gang. lords, be would in estenuadoo state, that many of the landlords were worse off than their tenants. The proprietors of lands In the country Lml A LTHORP could nor but express his surprise at the length should be taxed to support the poor, and those who were non-resident of this discussion, and that the wish should be so perseveringly per sisted in to have the witnesses summoned for the 28th. It appeared to "gilt to be taxed the beanie°. He was a great advocate th at England good him to be unnecessary to call up witnesses for the day before the dia. and Ireland should long remain united and in companionship. mission of a measure which. whatever m i.h t be Its result, would Mr. M. FITZGERALD (the Knight of Kerry) said that the only be sure to be e one day useless. (Hear, arm) It appeared to remedy for the distress of Ireland was to Introduce a system of pixie laws. The Hon. Member advised Government, if it interfered by a him to be altogether unnecessary, and evidently treeless to enter Into an loan, to institute a strict investigation into the use made of the money. examination which must last several days, on the day previous to en. tering upon the discussion of a measure of the utmost importance to Mr. SADLER said, that no partial or accidental remedies could apply to an evil of constant occurrence. He recommended the intro. the whole of the country from one end of it to the other. The noble duction of poor laws.—(Hear.) lie had again heard speak of super. lord opposite would badly wish foe the cm:oda% of Reform to be put abundance of population. But the two counties which were the mat off. The house had decided that the Bill should he read a second time on the 28th of February. it was now moved, that the witnesses should distressed were precisely the least dense in populaticm.—(Hear.) be summoned for that day ; but he (the Chancellor of the Exchequer) Mr. SLANEY observed, that the population of a country was not to be measured by the square mile, but by the proportiou which it was decidedly a opinion that the examination ought not to be begun till the Rth of March, and then ample time would be given for the bore to its capital—(Hest.) discussion of the reform measure, without having it broke in ulson Mr. K. DOUGLAS gave notice of s motion relative to the West The real question was whether the witnesses should be summoned for India Planters, for Monday next. the day before the Reform motion—a motion that watt likely to occupy The House then went lama Committeeon the Canada Acts. so many nays, or wait till the examination could be continued. He Lord HO WICK said he rose to move the resolutions on which he would:move to name the day for the witnesses' attendance March: g, intended to ground a bill, for the purpose of settling the financial con. or to postpone the second reading till such day; for as to summoning trovemiee which had so long gone on in Canada. His object was to the attendance of witnesses for the day previous to the melee, surrender up to the House of Ammo!, of Canada the whole cone oul he really thought nothing so inconsistent had ever been pro. over the revenues of the colony, and to enable his ethjesty to wont to posed. (Cheers.) the appropriation of the revenues made by the House of Assembly with. Mr. ROSS said only six witnesses, resident in town, and five living out the interference of the House of Commons. The chief difference at Evesham. were to be summoned. That expense would be very between his (Lord Herrick's) measure and that proposed by the late different from the enormous expense on account of Penryn and East Secretary for the colonies was with nopect to the salaries of the gover- Eetford. The 28th was a vacant day why not proceed as far as nor and of the judges, which by the latter measure were to consist of • time world allow on that day? He th ought there was no ground for certain permanent sums, not to be subject to the controul of the repre sentatives of Canada. It was at present intended that on the surrender delay. This being a special bill, he did nut consider it pledged any one to Reform. of the revenue the Assembly should be recommended to vote for thc Sir GEORGE 1Y AARE N DER said he should bear impartial lifetime of Iris Majesty, or for seven years at least, for the governor and secretaries an amnia sum of 6,2001. fee the judges 11,200'. for pen. evidence on this occasion. He expected! that the Reform to be pro !ions, 1,0001• for small expenses, 1,7001. making a total of 12,1001.. e. posed would be too general for him to agree to ; at the same time he thought the ptoposed inquiry would be ill.timed.—(Hear.) H e was With to the judges, it was recommended that judges should not for commencing the inquiry when it could be continued.—( Hear.) hencef: s tra named members of the Legislative Council. By metallic Lord PA LAIRRSTON said, he was for commencing the inquiry these cession, the dignity of the Crown could not be injured, since it when it could be continued consecutively; and as to the number at was only listening to just ;equate on the part of the colony. witnesses now named. might not others be required ?—( !leer.) The Sir G. MURRAY could not perceive mnch threrence between the in. House was not to be deluded into a supposition these there were only tended nleasure and his own. With respect to the governor and judges' salaries, he had only followed there commendation of the Canadn Com six witnesses to be examined. Perhaps six might he considered sufb mittet that they should remain independent of the vote of the assembly clean for one side of the question, but then who could say there might fie their annual salaries. With respect to the general conduct of pot be six times six brought forward on the other side? the late govermnent towards Canada, their policy had always been Mr. t,UNCO Mit 11, could not snow the hon. and learned gentle to act towards that colony on the most liberal principles, with man opposite to say there was any manatuvre in the present effort, without throwing tack that imputatioit math the utmost indignation. the precaution not to make such concessions as to give the repre. tentative* an undue preponderance over the two other branches of the The present question was altogether unconnected with the measure of Rsessin, and as to any threat on the part of any hon. member to din legislature. solve parliament, and for the government to throw itself upon the coon. Mr. LABOUCH En E returned his thanks to the noble lord for his great me to carry i try, should it not be able liberal measure. There was this most important difference betusen the its manure of Reform, such I threats were not new. Other ministers bad been beard to use the measure of the late Secretary for the Colonies and the present, that the Jedges wee not by the former measures undo the amtmul of the se same language. It was undoubtedly in the breast of his Majesty to diuolve his parliene nt if he should think fit, but it was always better lernbly. This conttuul was considered cf great importance to the Ca nteen. He would be, however, the hue man in the house to deny the to astaain from any such threats. It was undoubtedly of the greatest s very great cretin for his conduct towards i m portance to have the disfriatchisement of Evesbam gone into whin late Secretary for the Colonie Canada. With respect to the Legislative Coureil to give that body out delay ; net he would ask his noble friend to reconsider the subject; the proper weight and authority . in the country, it would be necessary to and then to sty, whether it would not be better for the justice of the tireprinciple of election with some modi fi cation. This was case, that he should not press his motion, but rather fall in with the introduce the old colonial system. In the United States when they formed part noble Chencellor of the Exchequer's proposition. of the colonies, both houses were elected. He was for not interfering in The gallery was then cleared fora division on the question whether the internal administration of Canada. He could enure the house that the warrant for the attendaece of witnesses should be en theist ur the nth of March. Nu division took place, mad it was understood that the the Canadians would not make an allure of the privilege • they were hetet to the heart's core. lie considered the connection of dined* meet proposition for March 8111 was adopted. important to this country. It ma not by an absurd shackling of trade (The House was remarkably full.) that the connection was to be maintained. To Canada, with her ports RETIRE DISTRESS IN TUE WEST OF IRELAND. open to all the world, nothing could be more advantageous than to be. On Lord ALTHORP'S motion that the House of Commons go into long to a gent maritime power. He would only aid, that he wished a Committee on the Canada Acts, the:law, besides applying to the revenue, applied to all the details of Mr. 1). BROWNE said he had to bring forward a subject that the administration. would nut admit of delay. Ile had petitions from the West of Ireland, ion TWISS paid, if the judges were made independent of the Crown, setting forth that in a month or six weeks there would be starvation— he expected they would soon see the Chief Justice opposing his Maine and as that was the cam, he should not be doing his duty not to bring ty's representative i n th e colonies; end would a l to see t h e j u d ge , gene , forward this question, and state what bad come to his knowledge. He rally courting popularity with the assemblies, on whom they were do stated the fact of starvation—he was sure that he stated what would have pendent for their salaries. With the exespeles of this provision, the the attention of the house, because he had never known It to neglect, bill proposed e by the noble lord was nothing more or less than the bill though from want of information it might delay, the interest of Ireland, brought in by his right hem. faced last year. Except the house or the government interfered, there must be the most Lord BANDON approved of the bill proposed by the noble land. frightful famine. In one barony alone there were 30,000 persons ex- Mr. HUME said, the difference between the bill proposed by the posed to want ; and this was confirmed by the Rev. Mr. Lyons, a most noble lord and that by the secretary he the colonies last year respectable Catholic priest, who had stated that in consequence of the was that the latter eou Ptc r i n s o l : be carried intoefeet. He believed the lati crop having failed along the coast, at least 200,000 people would see scary meant well; but there was all the difference hawses saying be in a starving state bears the first of March. They would be with- and doing. Th e no bl e l a d bad p ro p er ly p ro p o se to la m e Ah em 5 4 out subsistence or the mesas of earning it, and in this situation would disposal of th e i r ow n resources , which was a b oo n that wou ld he highly they be for at least four months, until the next crop became ripe. The prised, and would give content throughout Canada, without which via. hon. member was convinced that the present ministry were desirous ales were only a burthem. He hoped, when Canada was placed in the to do all in their power for the benefit of Ireland; and he was sensible situation in which this bill would place it, that they should support their of the dithculty of the situation in which they were placed; bat the own military establishment. He had a cootmunicatiort from Canada