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DEVON. A FREEHOLD ESTA I E, SI I UATE ON THE BANKS OF IHE RIVER E.? E, BE I'WEEN EXMOUTH AM.) I.YMPSTON. By Mr. ROBINS, At Garrawav's Co!fee-house, 'Change:Alley, Cnrnhill, on Thurs day. th.• of tune, 1814, at Twelve o'Clock, unless an aceeytabl- offer is made for the same he'ore the 26th of May, ►THE truly-desirable Freehold Villa COURT LAND ; comprising a dilighttul Residence, fit for the act oniniodai ion ot a Family of the first distinction; with excel leot Olfic, ,, of every description, Coach-huusei, Stables, Pouliry yard,attel ail other requisite Out-buildings ; placed in a Lawn, on a fine commanding eminence, and on a healthful gravelly soil, on the Banks of the Fite, the ground sloping down to the River, ot which. with the Ocean and variegated country, it commands beautiful and extensive view +, encircled by thriving Plantations ant/ Gra* l Walks ; excellent Kitchen Gardens, walled and well stocke 4 , extensive Hot-houses, Forcing-frames, &c. &c. with M adpw land, tl.r wht , l, upwards of 'Fhirty-eight Acres; form ing al oge:h..r one of the inust beautiful Fam ly Residences in the Ct.u•.ty • "I" e Putchas. r may be accommodated with the elegant FUR IT and ot k r Ethiets, at a valuation; as also with a Stunk of exc.•lteet WINES and ether Liqu-rs. • • lit>: ily atter ;he above, will be .•old by Auction, at Exeter or Exmouth, of ptich due ruin ce will be given, the FARMS of I.7PPE 44 aail t.0W , l R hi ALSDON, also TWO FIELDS st 11..TItTLA NI) CR• I -S ; the whole con atning about Sixty-five Aert s. %% Lich will he divided into 1.o•s for the convenience of rut ;ha. ri. On hes• Lands at:. a variety of beatitiful situations o ur tne ot Villas, emu - Isocline extensive views of the tic. at , River. and adjacent country, and rendered peculiarly va lo b e by ibex contiguity to the I•ow,, ot Exmouth. • to be viewed by I icktts, which, with particulars, may he had of John l'idsley„ Esq. Exeter ; and at the Globe Hotel, Exmouth ; London ins, l xetei and z-idniotii.h; Fountain, Plymouth Dock ; ;‘,111., I rorcticour ; Wh le Hart and Antelope, Salisbury; White Lion, bath; Bear, Reading; at Garr.tway's; and of Mr. arwick-street, Giolden-square. London; et whom 'Wickets for viewing may be had ; and a Fan of the Estates may be Ser if. FARM-11;1EN 1:YRI PROCEEDINGS. 1 - TOLlne nF i'ONIMONS, APRIL is. Mr. Kt TO :4 from the ha-t India Dirt clots, peesinted an account of the value ot i mads .old at the Company's public sales troth March I. 1111 . 2, to Nisitel, 18 - 13. and a.su tic computed am ant of the Siock 4,f the Lniiip.nly, at the last mentioned date. Ordered in lie on the 1 . ...di1e. Sir C. MONi pr.-seti , ed a Peri:lnn from the Ship Owners o' Newea-tle, nauist adrnittirg East India built :hips to British iteyiii.ry.—Ordered to fit on the table. The !Sill for takim ; away Coin p:luis of Blocs!, iu Cats of High Treasnn, sea* read nil time. The Corl,intal tli'l was r. a.l a third fate and ; assel. Mr. A iIIIOWN inquired it the appoititment or ,t,ecietary it Autism' icy Air C 1 tk ..1111t. Ci‘mtint i Itr Lersa art) 1.1..i:dt, la el. ; given to Mr, Le A: acci :Ay, hart been given by patent, or untie' stn mat t: t: of I 1 May sty by commistion ; anti it RtfUrifies bad been Laken ter I,.is r in that colony Mr. G(IOLIibOrRN the office tif ::.,crttaeF to a!) t!., Leeward I•Ito:•1., h .d lot rly 54.4. 7 :1 ht 14 by one pt 'ton. It ha 1, haweitr, beevlinu o lit b..fter r„r the islao.ls thtmstiv.s that a St trotary should I.e retident in each. 7 t-et nation in qttestatn bad been given to the brother ot General Le ).I:trchant, by sum and un the expiess cunclitiun that at. should reside in the Colony. he SPEAK R g:;.tu.• r t•-morrow being the d ly act s' for the Gat.e t y bet:- tun 1 t I nt, hr. entnld to the fbiuse to take the Chiba a cr.,;:r ter betvr._ PAPERS IZESPEC THE LATE NECC,- CIATIONS AT cii.A.TILLoN. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER thought it proper to call the a:ooition of the dunes to a subject of great interest. Before the recess, had stated it to he the intention of Ministers to huh• mit to them certain Papers respecting the late Nego ciations at Chatilion, and ihe rupture of thrice new,. CiatiOnSt At sheet time, and in the then situation ot things, it appeared to be t! - ,e duty of Government to take the earliest opportunity of chewing the House what were the grounds on which the iiegociations were broken off. Circumstances, however, were now so chanted, that the course which it was the duty of Government to pursue in this respect, was no Finger the same. The parties with whom we had to treat were changed. The events which had caused that to which he referred, were trli notorious to make it ne cessary for him to dilate on them, though at the same time.tlicy were so gratifying, that every one could dwell on them with delight. A new negotiation had commenced, which, as tar as Ministers could at pre sent judge, was likely to produce the happiest results. In this state of things, and with such prospects as they now had-, he thought it would be telt, that to pro duce the papers in question, might be inexpedient, apd productive of public inconvenience. Mr. WHITBREAD said, when the House last separated, they were in daily expectation ot hearing ot great events, and greater had never occurred in the history of any nation than those which bad since taken plate. No man could contemplate these with greater delight—no man could participate more largely in the general joy than he cl:d ; hut he could nut help feeling, nevertheless, that the House would be guilty of a dereliction of its duty, if they i:eglected to call for the pa.pers respecting the nerciat ions at Chatillon. They (the House of Commons) were not absolved from their duty by the prosperity which had (petted on Europe and the world. They ought at such a time to be m.xe vigilant than ever. It was their duty carefully to trace what had been the cOnduct of Mi nisters before the rupture ef the negeciations. When he sad this, it was not because he thought there was any reason to arraign the conduct of Ministers ; on the contrary, bethought he should he one to applaud their conduct throughout, and that the rupture of the negotiations would have his unqualiSed sanction. He. however, Ii ought, after the connWence that House had reposed in them, by adjourning itselt horn time to time, in order to give them every opportunity of prosecuting the negotiations without interruption, it was too much us say to them, those Papers ought not to be produced which they had promised should be laid before them. When that House was the only body in England unofficially acquainted with what had taten place, he could not help thinking they ought 110 C to sutler ihemselves to be treated thus, at a time when they stood so high in the eyes of the "world as they did at resent. II the Right Honour. able Gentleman thotka it was inexpedient to pro. duct: them now, Le would concur with him, and lye content to wait that prosperous issue which all fondly anticipated—hut it be meant, that it was now, alio would be ever inexpedient to lay them before the. House, he for one would enter his protest against this doctrine. H.: would call tor them, and he though. discredit wool.' be thrown on the House, it they welt obtained. He thought, as tiegociations were at ore.ett going c ol , that it might be improper to pro duce di rnnpM - (X sar, hear.) A Member opposite said 40 Hew. hear V' .1 4 1 `ILI that Hon. Member hest toe Right Hors. Gentleman (the Chancellor of Exchequer) say he null be willin g to give tit paper at any tuture Stride II the Haw. MeMbs heard him say so, be !mild what had e sca p e d him . (Mr. W hitbread.) Me lad said sn, he (*.Whit bread) was content to Wait, but if he had not said so, he was not content to agree that it would be for ever inexpedient to produce them. Though from the formation he had received as a private individual, lie thought the negociations had broken off on just grounds —still, as a Member of Parliament, he must call for the papers which had been promised, that he might know what had caused the rupture. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER had nit meant by any thing that he had said, to pre clude the House from calling ler the papers, if their production should be thought necessar}at any future time. He iA ished at present to give no opinion as to whether or not Ministers might hereafter think it de sirable that they shiwild be produced. Whether or not it would be expedient at a future day, he was not now disposed to inquire. The Hon. Gentleman had said the House had reposed great confidence in Ministers, by adjourning from dole to time to enable them to prosecute the negociations without inter, op tion. He admitted the H , use had reposed great con &knee in them ; he trusted that confidence had not been abused, and had oniy to express a hope, that the House would continue to have confidence in them for some time longer. Mr. WHITBREAD remarked, the Right Hon. Gentleman had said he did not mean to preclude the House from - calling for any inform ition which they might hereafter think necessary. He knew that the Right Hon. Gentleman did not mean to preclude them from doing that over which he had no ciuroul, but he now collected from what he had said, that— the instructions given by the Right Hon. Gentle• man's colleagues—that the opin;on of his 'Majesty's Government was—that it would not even at a future period, be expedient to lay before Parliament the papers which they had promised to produce : Now, it this was their resolution, when the time came, and a time must arrive, when the production of these papers would be harmless, he would get them if he could ; and as their production had already been sanctioned by Ministers, if he stood alone, he would endeavour ti persuade the House to cad for them.— From the commtlicement of the negociations up -to the present time, he had been one of the first to re. pose confidence in Ministers. He did not repent the line he had taken, but they must not expect his con fidence would be extended beyond all bounds, and :w should think Ministers unworthy of all co►sfidence, if they kept from the House those papers which they ought to have. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER only wished to give no opinion as to whether it would or would not b proper to produce the papers at 4 fu ture time. In the first instance, on the rupture Of the tiegociations, Ministers had thought it their duty to sti!onit to the House, on the grounds on khich they had bieken off. COLONIAL RF.SIDFYCE RILL Tae Or.;_, of the DAy bong read for the House v,o;ng Tian 4 Committee on the Colonial Officer% Re sidc.ice ; Mr. Cit VEY hoped the House would no; stiffer the Bill !o got to a Committee. He restated some of former argninents against it, contending that it :vas not clitit.cti t:i tin! countenance of the Howe, as it was not a measure of 'At an a'.:enirt to sanctify the :;buses of the I.lSt t tlity yeats. lie would stake his me that this Bill , a as only brought in for the sake of the clause declaring th •t none of the provisions contained ;a it should b.! con:arecd in any way to aflcct pace') already wtiich caote within the purview of il:e original act. —(1/w-, hear, and laughttr.)—For this rtasol lie opposed .t, .ind %timid divide the House on the passing of tlii -1111. He shouid recommend what he thought would tae a better Cow so for the House to take"; tint of actiis up to their former resolution—to continue the salary of the Deputy only, where the principal was, absent. He had another suspicion. He hoped the period of a General Pace was at hand, when many of our colonies would be given up to the States from whom they had been taken. The persons holding situations in those places, as their offices had been called " vested rights" by a Master in Chancery, would, when these colonies were given up, be coming on Parliament for compensation.—(A laugh J—He suspected this Bill was intended to protect them ; but submitted to the House that it would be a case of extreme hardship if, when the Officers of the Army and Navy were obliged to retire on half-pay, these persons were to be allowed to hold lucrative sinecures. He moved as an Amendment to the question, 4 4 that the Speaker should leave the chair," a Rest:l(l6on declaring it to he the determination of the House to enforce the provisions made by the 2.2 ti of the King on this subject ; which, to prevent colonial offices being performed by deputy, enacted that the salary of the deputy only should be paid while the principal was ay. Mr. GOULDBOURN replied at some length to the stakments of thelast speaker. He denied that the Bill had been brought in with the feeling imput ed by the flon.Gentleman to his Majesty's Ministers, but deteoded the clause on which he (Mr. Creevey) had animadverted so severely ; winch, he observed, was copied verbatim from an Act, of which the Ho. nourable Gentleman himself had been formally the advocate, and which had had the support of all those . Hon. Gentlemen who cheered him (Mr. Creevey) so loudly while censuring it now. Sir J. MACKINTOSH said it was true that there were abuses ot non residence against which it was proper to guard, and was ot opinion that to frame some new regulations with respect to the granting ot Lave ot absence, would be wise. He did not agree with his Hon. and Learned Friend (Mr. Stephen) in the line he had taken as to the vested right" which he supposed Colonial Officers to have in the situa. Lions to which they were appointed during pleasure, but at the same time he thought long established usages ought not at once to be overthrown to the ruin of individuals. It appeared to him that colonial offices ntiAht have been conferred chi pet sons who ()ad formed their plans ot life on a belief that resi dence in the colony would not be required. They have been ignorant of the law on this subject, or at the time they received their appointment they were possi. bly of an age not sufficiently mature to be aware of the nature of the condition which accompanied it. That sersonl thus circumstanced should lose the income whicl; theirwhole" plan ot lite had been formed, .vas, in his mind, inconsistent with the mazimf of vOie and liberal Government. He concurred wit!. t iat great man, who had by mistake been said to --- • • the anchor of the Act formerly passed on this subject, in thinking that 64 tenderness to an individual cost nothing to a State y that that which was every thing to a man, was nothing to the resources of a nation, so the principle complained of was adhered to no longer." To adopt now the resolution nioved as an amendment by the Hon. Gentleman (Mr. Creevey), to compel those holding et•hmial offices to reside, would he to compel the greater part of them to re ' sign. Doing this, they would rew. r 1 the exertions of the present Government. by thri wing into thvir hands a great deal of pistronage, the tesuit of long connivance of abase. Was it thought the present Administration was so superior to the Ministers who had preceded them, that the patronage improperly exercised by them would be unexceptionably employ ed by these in rewarding that distinguished valour which, displayed by sea and land, had placed this country so high in the estimation of the world ? He for his part was not disposed to pay their virtue so high a compliment as to assume that they were so much better than all who had gone before them.— He could not see the wisdom of placing such bound less confidence in them, to the ruin of in:iny fending persons. He apprehended the obkfction made by the Hon. Gentleman near him might he obviated by omitting that part of the clause he had noticed, which provided that persons holding appointments bctore the passing of the Bill should not be affected by it. This provision, as he thought it unnecessary, he could wish to see omitted. Mr. STEPHEN thrught the Gentlemen on the other side of the House upsnally candid, when they had expressed their approbation of the BM on the day that it was introduced ; but he now saw that there was a nf mare of jealousy in their ciaiduct. They now set their ingenuity to work, to prove that it was not a 11of _•.. 2 "the clause which wits objected to, as tending to destroy n only the letter, but the spirit of the Act, cceild have no such effect ; because, in the first place, it wits only a solving pro viso, and also because it was usual to introduce ana clauses in such Acts of Parliatrient. Yet did the Hon. Gentleman (Mr. Creevey) by a latitudeui construction that beggared all precedent, eadeavotit to build his opposition- to the Bill on that clause. He was surprised to snd an Hon. and Learned Friend join in the criticism, or rather the. clamour, raisAl by some Members about the phrase 66 vested interests," which he had used during a former debate on the same Bill. He would like to hear the Learned Lexi. cographet's definition of the phrase. To prove that the Learned Matter in Chancery (as he had been tauntingly called) was wrong in the application of a technical term, let him say what is his intepretation of it. It was known, that in law vested interest was opposed to cmtill,;;ent ifeerra. But the Honourable and Learned Gentleman seemed to have so much iorgot his leAal knowledge in his literary pursuits, AS to think that it was AM only necessary that an of nce should be held by patent in order to give the holder a vested interest in it, but also that it should be held in perpetuity. ‘Vo u ld th ose G ent l emen w h o had been s profuse of their sarcasms venture to sty that the rights of no individual building an office could be invaded, unless the office was held by pa• tent ? This being admitted, those gallant officers of the army who probably might be soon put on half pty, by the argument of the Hon. Gentkm were not entitled to half-pay. Would the Hon. Gentleman say this ? He had already said, mad he would say again, that it was monstrous in a moral point of view, and converting the public - spirit of re form into a jacobinical spirit, for the House to take from individuals ollit.es held by such tenures as those in question, witholut making compensation. He wished to know how the opinions of the H cn. Gentle. man could be reconciled with the provisions of the Act of the NM of the King. but more especially with the imp....rtant point of inducing respectaille per. sons to reside in the West Ind.es. The Bid would be most materi ally deteriorated by pruhibiting die granting of leave of absence la t!loe conatrios to which the pa, visions of the ail would be ex.ended, it was known, that, 4tW:hg tr. tar notortunate circum stance of the inini,n,ity of the population in a State of slavery, it was neLess4rv, in or.ler to preserve the moral st amnia, th .t Earopeans should from time to time return to weir native country; that, lake the giant Antsus, they might receive new strength by touch ing their native earth. If the widies of the Finn. Gentleman were complied with, this would be im possible. The publ c of Great Britain would not gain a single shilling by the reform proposed by the lion. Gentleman For his own part, he never could be made to consent to the Bill passing in such a shape as would compel them to violate the duty they owed to officers who had vested rights to their offices. Mr. CREEVEY explained. He thought that there might be a vested right to an office which was not held for perpetuity ; but not if that office was held during pleasure. Kr. P. MOOItE thought that the House should be convinced that the Bill was necessary, and also be furnished with information respecting the state of Government of our different Colonies. Sir S. ROMILLY disclaimed any feeling of per. sonal hostility, Such as had been manifested by some Hon. Gentlemea during the debate. He conceived that the phrase " vested ihterert" could only be ap plied to property which could not legally be touched. It appeared that the Hon. Gentleman (Mr. Stephen) considered the term as in opposition to contingent in terest ; that was, in tact, calling an exittinz interne a vested rig 3 / 4 i. If the Hon. Gentleman meant that offices, such as he alluded to, ought 11 , 4 to be a fleet- - ed by a Bill of Reform, he advanced a m rn.•- cliievous doctrine, and the more so on 3ccoa .t coming from a Member of such weight ui Lln: . Mr. STEPHEN explained. He certainty ist.i think those Offices were vested, which could not 1 , .• taken away without a violation of justice. Mr. MAItRYAT spoke in fay.ur of the Bill, be cause he conceived it would essentially contr.bilte t. the prosperity of the West India Colonies. He stn.- nuously opposed the rejection of the clause which ha. been objected to. If it were omitted, a contingep benefit to the public would be obtained, at the ex pence of certain injustice and oppression to indiv duals. He thought the introduction of the Bid r, fleeted much honour on the Noble Lord at the he.. of the Colonial department. Mr. WiIITBitEAD.—If any thing like a so cairn against the Hon. Master in Chancery (Mt itepheni bad faller. from huss y or any Member of dis 'aide of tle_Hy_thg,_ viwltaGgLaysaigh, 41 I would have been thrown away ; they would hay, been mere istaellia Ida, so perfect and so undisiurbable was the complacency of that Hon. Gentleman.-- Whatever it was that had been addressed by him to the Hon. Gentleman, it appeared that he had brooded upon it ever since it was said; and that he had con's to the House warm with the design of confounding his opponents. He could not help thinking that the Han. Member's memory was rather infirm on the matter in question. When the Hon. Member used the term 44 vested interests," he conceived that he meant " vested rights." For his own parr, his great Authority In parliamentary matters was Mr. Fox; and he remembered that that great Statesmen, when he used the phrase vested interest , r vested right ((or the terms were then considered synonymous) applied k to that of which a person could not be deprived without a ..r violation of law. The Hon. Gentleman, however. has now explained what he meant ; and that it was just this—" that Sir Evan Nepean has an office which he has—and that Mr. King has an office which lie has." Tee lien. Gentleman talked of Sarcasm% :eel the taunting appellation of Master in Chancery. For his own parr, be was net aware that there was any thing efLre.ive in calling him so. He did not know that there was any thing wrong in being a Master in Chancery ; whatever there might he in the means through which a Master in Chancery was ap. pointed. The condition on which llir Evan Nepean held his office in the West Indies was, so long as he .h'mld reside there and exercise the functions of the office. Was that any new condition They were told of Lord Bethurst's good intentions (he believed them to he gond) and these were to be proved by the words of the Bill. But could any words be stronger than those in the case of Sir Evan Nepean ? What was his case then ? Why he had been obliged to go eat to the West Indies to get leave of absence, and ' this enabled him to enjey comfortably the emoluments • 1 his office, and (so palpable was the fraud) without being obliged to go near the colony to which be wait officiilly attached. Alter a short residence of two Idays in tip! West Indies, he was qu ilified to enjoy the emoluments of his office (notwithstanding the strictness of the condition by which it was held), and then lie had the power to return home, to use the me. capitol- of the Hon Master in Chancery, and renew his strength, exhausted by the two days residence—v• touching a 5 sin his native eat th, he became a giant, like the Honourable Gentleman and all the other Antsei, who had held offices in our Colonies. What had ueen said /theta ignorant violatton of the Act was futile. Neither Sir Evan Nepean nor Mr. King were ignorant ref the transgression of which they were guilty. In 178'2, the tot trier Bill on the sub ject had been passed, and in 1759 there was a llagrant, an undisputed violation of its provisions, which sirila 7 Lion was now, forsooth, sanctioned by time and vested rights were even taiked of. When the Hen. Gentle: man alluded to the case of Officers on half-pay, did he not know that the Crown might deprive an (Meer of hall pay on account of a vote given in that House? There was an instance of this in the case of Lord Chatham when a Cornet if Dtagnons. lo order to establish the .principle of the Bill, Sir E. Nepean and the ethers should be turned out of their offices, and be remunerated in some other way. When the Hon. Gentleman talked of Jacobinical reform, he m 'de use of a pm •:e now obsolete, and, to use a familiar es. presume he would say to the Honourable Gentleman that, when he used the term e jacobinical," he wee a day atter the fair. Indeed it appeared to him that the fim. Gentleman had imputed to his Hon. Friend a speech which he had never uttered. .He sneee.esi that the non. Gentleman, during the recess, while indulging himself in dreams respecting the a.•proach t . ing debate—wtule in the fervour of his imagination, tie thought now he would attack this person—con• found another—work this one with a legal atgumeni —and strike down that one with a syllogism ; he must have even anticipated the replies of his epponents, aid had a little ago replied not to the speech of his Honourable Friend to the House, but to that which he had assigned to him during the workings of his fancy . Mr. MAR RY AT explained. Mr. WILLIAM BATHURST observed that some Members opposed a clause in the Bill as tend ing to sanction that which was already illegal. 4 11111 had passed through the House some time ago, which contained a similar clause ; and he would therefore say, that it was already senctiolie I by pass ing that Bill. Nay, the Hon. Gentleman, by voting for that Bill, had already, es lie himself expressed it, " sanctified sins of thirty-two years standing." Mr. GOULDBOUItN explained. Sir FREDERICK FLOOD said he should cer tainly vote for the Bill, were it not on the ground that it would be cruel and unjust to disturb ttie pos ! sessions of those persons to whom the pl..ces had been granted, and in which they ought to be protected. — Sir Frederick was proceeding in his remarks, when a loud call for the question took place, and the amend. ment was negatived without a division. The House then went into a Committee on the Bill, when— Mr. A. BROWNE made some observations on the clause which relates tie leave nf . absence, and moved the following amendment : " That no leave of absence be granted for a longer period th in twelve months ; but that the sMC might be renewed ter . twelve months more ; ani in ca s e Cie absentee cont.:- nned beyond two years from his post, he should for feit his appointment, or Cease to be a public officer tinder it." lati .Yl4 •rc • Mr. 13ARHAN1 said, he wool(' prefer the. the re• sponsibility which granted the lettve ..1 absence should tO,ele it is, retbrr than have a nominal re. He opposed vie amendrnew. GOULDBOU RN ex ; I p_a , that :!a• -1Ver.17,; length ut A voyagr to Allti trim Nt•A' XV d •res A .Is ten months, which would rei.der the y riles A'AVe 11atury. 'the Amenoni, lit v. :u the w , thdr."`" l . Au uninteresting and desultiny ci , nversation -led, in whicii Messrs. enta , vs:l, Goutnurttv, Man. B.sultam, and LiltowNc, several:) , spoke and )4 te;ding the List cl4,ise, which enacts th It ho. iing in this Act shall affect ex;stin4 Mr. LROWNErnoved that chic (lance beexp-mge.!. On this the House divided, when tl.t stum.,t4 els', tor t.ie motet/0 9, aga•ust it :U. t re lie po ll rt hi wtr P d a e l r 't ed .d t ; o t 7e )ug te ll ce l t h se . j Cri tt:m m O t i t r ee -• w. On the motion of the Cittsoilt.4.l , it of ute Lune , . sums, the second reading 01 the 1: 4 -st-Iiitha shsvping [~.