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L I - Conference, and wilt the concluehon of the kJ. g of Hui lad's answer , t the notification of the eighteen articles, than the accession to the throne of Belgium of a Prince who ':ad subscribed to an oath incompatible with the tub ,. rvatice of the resolution to which his Majesty had as a toed was the asetimittion on the part of Belgium of a hos tile attitude tow ads Holland. The Conference on receiving this anewer, dot not . I .ery his right to resume hosti e•. Ile eleneidere d that, coupled with 'he previous decke re• mof Holland. the mete •of having recourse t the votes -aire was ample and etifficient.—(hear, hear.) Tne si let c •.t . the Dutch envoy was explained by his ignorance of the prrri.e cotation of the recourse to military means. As to Belgium. a direct notice had been ;ken of the re suminthel of hostilities. Ate to responsibility. hr considered it re.ted, not with the King of Rolland. hut with those itei had violated their engagements with him.—( Hear.) lie regretted that Prince Leopold should have accepted tic Orate of Belgium. That aeeeptance involved Eng land. and separated her front ilollar.d. (Hear, hear.) Nor did he think his election tl4sennite reed Belgonn forma Freese. Already had new the King of Belgium applied to France for sueen..r, inster.,l or to the C ..ference ? (Hear.) Front a late declaration of M. Lebeau, it would appear that the clime-ion between the tan countries was to be drawn slant. But the principal point was our disconnection with Holland. At no period hail such disgust at our diplomacy been excited, as that which now prevailed in Holland. fie emit.) not but consider the nomination of Prince Leopold as cormected with our alienation front Holland, the modifica tion in the resolution of the Conference being subsequent to his election, and repeated declaration in the B.dgian Con geese. tending to that conclusion. He had no wish ulti mately to interfere vrhh pending negociations ; but Olen an ancient and faithful ally was being sacrificed to the unjust encroachments of the revolutionary spirit, it was high time for r.oble lords to declare their disapprobation. ( Lard CA RNARVON said, Ministers treated tan Ih:idly the events now occurring on the Continent. Was the' . march of 50,000 Frenchmen into Belgium s slight still:et of alarm ?.--(Hear.) Ministers said every thing had been done with the concurrence of the Conference. Had this hot act of France been submitted to the previous sanction of the Conference ?—(Hear.) The allusion made by a noble Lord to certain foreign Ministers, was not of a nature to warrant the grave rebuke of the Learned Lord.—(Hear.) The re• bake was ill fit to accompany the Learned Lord's attack tipiin an illustrious sovereign, whom, as the object of the in justice of his colleagues, he would have shown better taste i not insulting —( Hear, hear.) Ministers were crouching 'to Foince, leaving Europe to its fate, and out allies to theit enemies. He should not support the motion, as the papers moven' for could not, it was said, with propriety be pro duced. Bat he would tell Ministers, that the country looked at their foreign policy with suspicion and alarm.—(Hear.) Lord HOLLAND said, if the opposition wished for in formation it should move for the whole of the documents ; if it wished to bring odium on the Government, it should move a vote of censure. The wish of the Opposition seemed to he war, and war on anti-revolutionary principles—(No !) Had they not been on every occasion reeking to inflame the Courts and the country? (Hear.) With respect to the raises bestowed on the King of Holland, he would only control them that he had not been able to conciliate two. thirds of his sollects. It was the separation of Belgium tram Holland which haltered the King. But with that separation the present Government had to connection ; they had found it etieeted when they entered office. lie knew no prliatnentary or practical object the motion could have. The object was to drive Ministers to pay something on which th;:y could titatsn a charge—or to drive the country into a war ; but time great object of the whole was to get rid of the l 'ortn Bill— (hear. ) Tic Earl of CA RNA RVON said, he had been thirty sotett years a member of Parliament, and had never "eked er received any favour from any minister. Those by whose e:Je he had I ing fought the battles of civil and religious ahetty would do Min the justice to remember, that he had etways opposed any measure of extensive Patliamentary L dtorum, which he had always considered revolutionary. The Marquis cf LONDONDERRY said, as the noble earl hail stared that the production of the papers nilAbt be in jarious to the public interest, he should not press his motion. —The noble lord withdrew his mot'on. The bills on the table were forwarded in their respective st. got, and the house adjourned at a quarter-past 11 o'clock. HOUSE OF COMMONS. The House Whined for a Committee to try the merit* pf the petition complaining of an undue mum for the Jed. burgh district of Burghs. The :IL:tubers of the Committee were subsequently sworn at the table. _ Mr. HUNT presented a petition from the working claws tai Manchester for a repeal of the corn laws. He had read the petition, and thought it contained nothing to which the most fastidious Member of the House could object.—The petition was ordered to lie on the table and be printed. Mr. WOOL) asked, whether the hen. member for Dorset ( Mr. Portman) meant to proceed with his hilt for the amend ment of Highway Acts during the present Session. Mr. PORTMAN said, he was aware that government could not attend to the subject during the present Session, cid hoped they would next session, in which expectation be aiiould withraw it for the present. Mr. LAM B was satisfied of the importance of the mu st re, which he was confident would receive the attention of g..velnment next session. Mr. HUNT presented a petition from the Westminster Union of working classes for the repeal of the corn laws. Toe petition was read by the Clerk : it stated that many of the people had fallen victims to the despotic corn laws. Lord ALT HOR P said, the language of the petition was too strong to be used in the house. Mr. HUNT said, the language was certainly strong, but it was true. If the noble lord thought that starving people wive not to use strong language, he must expect human nature to be constituted dilTerently from what it was. Mr. HUM f said, he thought the petition ought to be I.l.hdrawn. He was confident such language could only in. j re the cause in which it was used. It tended to cast ridicule on petitions. tyc, iNNELL hoped the petition world be with. It was merely an experiment to try how far they eis.ild go without causing their petitions to be rejected, and bliaSiad not be persevered io. (Hear.) Mr. HUNT said he should not oppose the wishes of the louse, but withdraw the petition ; but he thought he was to acknowledge that he had been in the habit of using loci. language out of the house, (A laugh.) The corn laws had not been passed by the representatives of the people, tut by nurnin, co; and he thought himself perfectly justified in saying they were tyrannical. for they were passed at the vn: of the bayonet. 'flit petition was withdrawn. IRELAND. Mr. O'CONNRLL said that the right hon. secretary for Ireland was not in his place. as he wished to him some questions respecting the administration of jos. itu in Ireland ; in particular relative to the late trials In Kilkenny ; and also to move for copies of a report made by Perrin, wi.o was sent to prosecute parties for an outrage committed at 31agban on the 18th of December, where 290 tir , rgetuen entered the little town with arms, actl tiles and buglo.; put the inhabitants to tight, destroyed almost all their property, and pulled down two houses. The parties were prosecuted by the Crown. and all the Orangemen la ere acquitted, and the Catholics found guilty. There was per fect impunity fur out party and no justice for the other. lie meant to move for copies of the con Mr. CRAMPTON (the Solicitor-General for Ireland) complained that notice had not been given by the Hon. and Learned Member of his intention to propose such questions to the Right Hon. Secretary for Ireland. The House might feel assured that no one was more willing than the Right lion. Gentleman to answer any questions that alight be put to him in bit place. He (3lr. Cramp• ton) had authority to state, that on due notice being given, that Right liou. Gentleman would, even at much personal sacrifice, attend in his place, for the purpose of answering am questions. As to the statement of the Honourable and Learned Gentleman, it was astonishing that the ver dicts of several junk, was opposed to it. He was there fore persuaded that the individual who bad furnished the facts, had formed his estimate upon a partial slew of the case, and bad therefore greatly ezauerared di t circumstances. Reliance ought certainly to be placed Open the verdicts of juries and the coed= of Judges j end if an Hon. and Learned Oen/Susan had rocolved statement!! Rum third persons who might be bet partfily informed, implicit ro-1 hence should not be placed on their statements to the coedit of the verdict of a jury, and i administration se law by the blab Judge& ,tlr. O'CONNELL flailed that be had taken the house by surprise in mentioning this subject j and lota the resppeecets. laility of his isfonnotiosa,bs would only say that a aoblsmossl dh ig h w ok. we ll IN gsbod with the circumstances, _sr. his IMO of hillss and be bionealf bad man she nigh TM sayelites dasemessin be wolidisitendon was, ibis the' Crows Sashes bid amid is Callit t h at Ise bad remind trinsetioas is dials. di Os s. ~ .. Mr. CRAMPTON would only beg leave in the my torongest manner to state, that no such instructions had ever been given by the Government of Ireland sines he had the honour to be connected with it, to the Crown Solicitor. — Their investigations had been, in almost every listener, con ducted with the most perfect impartiality, ar4,30 distinction of either sect or party had ever been made itsllleir adminis tration of justice. No man was more anxious to administer justice impartially than the Attorney-General for Ireland, and he was utterly incapable of giving such instructions. Mr. LEADER admitted gr e at respect MIL due to the statetneins of the lion. and learned Solicitor-General for Ire. land, but if the jury laws were not most materially changed, a stigma would certainly be left upon juries which could not be wiped away. He was moat anxious that the atigma should he removed, it Narita; been alleged in the court-house of Kilkenny, that the Crown solicitor acted under the sanction of Govertii.ient. when every Catholic upon being called to the jury.box was put by, and every liberal Protestant re. jected also. That was a state of things which could hot be endured in Ireland, rendering, as it did, the property and lisc of every Protestant p oprietor alike insecure. It was dis,zme• ful to the interests of justice, and in direct violation of a hat should be the conduct of any Government that wished to maintain itself as a Christian Government in a l'nristian country. (Hear, hear.) Capt. GORDON said, the house should not be too teady to give implicit credit to statements made in that house re , pecting l!eland. He could give the house one instance in which an extraordinary statement had been made without the I:ast foundation. It had been stated that Cite Grand Jhry of C.rlow bad drank as a toast at their public dinner, " (Tor fret on tilt necks of the Papists in cold blood." On the, statement being made he wrote over to Ireland, and had 'calved letters keen two 01 the Grand Jury, declaring that no such mast haul been drank—that no such expression had been us,AI. Tarr Chairman had since, in the public prints, belated the rep.it to be untrue and libellous. So much for the faith that was to be put in some of the statements that were conveyed to members of that house. 11e. O'CONNELL said he was prepared to prove every syllable, and more than every word he had uttered at the bar. Colonel Rochford had not stated in his letter, which heti appeared in print, that the report was libelous ; he had only raid no such toast had been given while he was in the chair, and nobody alleged that it bad. He (Mr. O'Connell) was ready to prove at the bar of time house, that, on the very occasion alluded to, these four toasts were given : First, " Capt. Graham, and the brave Yeomanry of New townbarty ;" secondly, " Our heels on the, necks of the Pa p.sts in cold blood." (Hear.) Thirdly, " The Pope in the pillory of bell, and the devil pelting him with priests." (Im mense laughter.) Fourthly, " King William the Third, who delivered us trim the fangs of the Papists," &c. &e. This, be raid, he had from such credible end very good authority, and also from parties who had voluntarily tendered them. selvee to appear at the Bar and support the truth of it, that be could not for a moment believe it was false. Further, three or four Magistrates of the county of Carlow were in the room at the time ; and the person alluded to (we sup pose Capt. Graham) desired the doors to be opened, that all :he people in the house might hear. When an hon. member thought proper to rise up and contradict these facts, what would the house think of the authority of one capable of swearing—actually swearing that Roman Catho lics Roman Catholic Priests could nun persons into bears and goats ? (Laughter.) Captain GORDON denied that he hid ever sworn any such thing. lie had said that there were those who believed Catholic pries.s were capable of turning of people into hares and gnus, but he had never sworn it. Mr. BLACKNEY said, as a member for the county of Carlow, he felt it incumbent on him to say, that there could hot be a doubt that the offensive toasts mentioned by the honourable member for Kerry, had been drunk in the grand jury room, while several of the grand jury, and several ma gistrates were present. There were witnesses of the high. est respectability ready to be examined at the bar of the house to prove it. Mr. KENNEDY said he was sorry to have to state that the hon. member for Dundalk (Capt. Gordon) had written to parts of Scotland, which he thought capable of being inflamed, urging them to petition for the repeal of the Catholic Relief Bill—(hear.) Mr. STANLEY observed, that having unfottunately come late into the House, he had some difficulty at first to know the question, he would, however, before he went into that, just observe upon the remarks that had been personally made towards himself. Nothing could give him greater concern than that any mem. ber of that house should suppose that he had absented him. 8.21 f for the purpose of evading any questions. He would put it to those connected with official situations, and who were connected with them now, to say whether it was not necessary for them to devote a great part of the day to the duties of those offices. In those duties he had been en gaged, and that was the only reason why he was not In his place. If gentlemen had questions to put to him he should be happy to give every facility In answering them, If they would only have the goodness to git• him previous intima. don of their intention. With respect to the other part of the subject, lie could have no objection whatever to produce the case, and the opinions which had been given by the law officers of the Crown upon it. (Hear, hear, hear.) With respect to the introduction of offensive toasts, On the intima tion that government had of such toasts having been given, inquirls were made into the subject, with a strict dear* to ascertain whether such toasts had been drank by any perm* under his Majesty's government. He had received a letter from the Foreman of the Grand Jury, declaring that during the whole time of his presence no such toasts had been drunk ; that nothing of the kind bad occurred, and if it had been proposed, he would not have allowed it. He was, however, bound to say, ilia. at a very late hour the very offensive toasts mentioned weredrunk by Grand Jurors and others, of which they were all heartily ashamed the next morning ; but as no persons connected with governnuat were parties to the pro. ceeding. he thought it was unnecessary to institute any fur. • titer inquiry, either at the bar of that house or otherwise. Mr. SHELL said, it was now admitted that the scene described by his hon. friend had taken place, and be thought some proceedings on the part of government should follow. Magistrates were parties to it, and he thought they ought not to be allowed to continue in the commission of the peace. (Hear, hear.) The hon. member for Dundalk had denied that he had sworn that there were Catholics in Ire. land who believed that their priests could turn them into hares or goats. He was astonished when he heard the hon. gentleman make the assertion; but as he knew the fact was on record he went to the library, and now held in his hand a book containing • copy of the hon. gentleman's 1 evidence on oath before a commission, which he would read to the house. The hon. gentleman read the evidence in which Captain 'Gordon stated, that he hod rut a doubt the Catholics of Ireland believed that their priests could turn them into bares and goats. (The house was convulsed with laughter.) He implored the hon. gentlemen not to make nee of the accident that had made him a member of that house for a Catholic town to Natter Meta ands throughout Ireland. (Hear, hear.) Sir It. PEEL thought it was peculiarly unfortunate that statements should be made respecting Ireland which were calculated to excite the strongest feehngs, and to which no contradiction could be given at the moment. The Hon. Gentleutan had a right to make the statements ; but if he would give such notice as would allow et a contradiction or explanation being given at the time the statement was made, it would tend to prevent excitement in Ireland.— (Hear, hear.) Lo.d TULLAMOKE said, the offensive toasts were drunk after the greater part of the Grand Jury had left the roton.—( lieu, hear ) .04•1111 OF BELGIUM. The SPEAKER having called on Sir Richard Vyvyan, Lord PAL NI RRSTON rose and said, he tuy e d hi e b oo . friend, under the peculiar eircsinstancie of LJgium at the present moment, and their critical state, would deem It ex pedient to postpone his motion, u discloturee at the present moment might be attended wit h great inconvenience, and the probability was, that the object of his hon. friend's motion might speedily be obtained without any itironsenicnce. A communication had been made to the king of the Nether lands u soon as it was known that he ha marched his troops into Belgium, to which an answer would probably be received to-morrow or the day after. If the negoolations should continue, the Su powers would continue to act as mediators n and he would submit to his hon. friend whether disclosures at present would not he premature and laces,.. Want. As far as his own personal censorious was eon. awned, he would u soot enter into explanation now as at any time—it.wu merely on public grounds he asked for delay. (Hear, hear.) Sir RICHARD V YVYAN said, it was far from being his wish to produce inconvenience, but he thought the King or the Netherlands bed ban hartilymmd; be bad hien at tacked in that house but net defended. Giese, ham) Bat afire wbasehe noble lard bad mated Would not proceed with hismedeo at present, but Weald postpone it to Thursday, by Which time an answer might be received from the King of the Netherlands. Lord STORMONT asked, whether she Fronds goyim met had detained the Dutch ships in the port of Dunkirk ? Lord ALTLIORP said, no official information had been received. _ . Mr. BOLDEN asked whether there was any agreement between France and England to repel the Dutch Invasion of Belgium ? Lord MILTON implored his noble friend not to answer the question. (Hear, hear.) Mr. DIXON asked whether any measures had been taken for the protection of British subjects at Brazil. Lord PALMERSTON said there was a ship of war at Rio Janeiro, and another was on the way. Government would take effectual means for the protection of British subjects. Colonel WOOD presented a petition from Merthyr-Tydvil against being joined with Cardiff in the election of a repre sentative. d : RTTORN. Lord A LTHORP moved that the house resolve itself into a committee on the Reform of Parliament Bill. The House resolved itself into a committee. The CHAIRMAN said the question was that Sculcoats be added to Kingston-upon•HulL 11Ir. GOULBURN said he had a petition from Sculcoats, praying to have a representative of Its own. It had 14,000 inhabitants, and was a separate jurisdiction from HulL The petitioners thought they had full as good a right to a repre sentative as Gateshead. Lord MILTON said Hull and Sculcoats were as mush one town as London and Westminster. He did not see any ground for making the alteration. Mr. W RANGH AM and Mr. GOULBURN made a few observations, opposing the original motion. Lord MORPETH said he was always willing to protect the interests of his constituents, but in this case he did not see that there was so much distinction between the two places as to call for any alteration in the clause. The original motion was agreed to. The question was put that Penryn and Falmouth stand part of schedule E. Mr. FRESH FIELD said that be rose for the purpose of endeavouring to procure the separation of Penryn from Falmouth. Penryn was not a decayed but a flourishing town, and its electors had increased in prnpottlon with its population. It at present possessed a better constituency than would be substituted by the regulation of the 101 votes. The present voters were householders, paying scot and lot, and leaseholders who had resided forty days pre. vieus to the election. This he considered a great advantage, as it kept many labourers on account of a few weeks in winter front throwing themselves on the parish, lest it might disqualify them to vote. The present Bill would not only extinguish this spirit, but it would besides excite a jealousy between the others and the 101. voters. The present constituency wete as Independent as any consti tuency :hat could be found in any open borough, and they were not to be led. Tne clause was so loosely expressed that it might be understood to include the whole parish of Falmouth as well as the town. The Hon. Member at some length, in general terms, expressed his disapproval of the clause and the Bill, as a whole, in particular. He said, at the proper time be should move that Penryn be pre served in its present constituency, and that Falmouth be placed in another schedule to secure its representation. Lord A LTH OR P in reply said, that the remarks of the hon. member were of so general a character they would apply to every borough. Ily the rule which had been laid down Penryn could only be entitled to send one member to Par. 'lament, but by joining it to Falmouth they would send two. His lordship observed, that the hon. member had, laid some stress on the independence and respectability of the constituency of Penryn ; but be would ask him to nesl to his recollection transactions connected with the borough of Pentp, in which he (Lord Althorp) had been a nominee, and the hon. member (Mr. Freshfield) had been an agent. (Mar, hear.) His lordship hoped, that by uniting the two towns it would prevent a recurrence of Ih2 same circumstances, although the present constitu. ency might be without imputation. 111 r. STEWART did not mean expressly to oppose the original motion ; but he regretted that the representation ut Falmouth should be procured at the expense of his coned.' tuercy of Penryn. He had contested Penryn several tunes, and he was free to declare that it was as pure as any open borough in the kingdom. He hoped that Ministers would be persuaded also to reduce the rate of qualification for voting in the West or England ; because those who were rated at SI. were generally as intelligent and eligible as any portion of the community. His lordship said be had done hi■ best to forbid the banns ; but if the marriage did take place, be hoped that the pledge of their anion would be to send a good member to parliament. Sir CHARLES LEW ER said he thought the noble lord who had introduced the bill would not have acted fairly to the country nor to the bill if be had not made the exceptions which he had dune. Mr Fit MEI FI E LD, In explanation, said that to the al lesion made by the noble lord (Althorp) about the election' in 1826, he had to say, from the evidence then produced, there was no imputation against the residing voters ; but the imputation rested with those that had been sent down for the purpose of mischief, and the same thing might have oc curred with any open borough. The original motion was agreed to. The question was then put, that Portsmouth and the pa. rich of Portsea should stand part of schedule E. A short debate followed, and the motion was agreed to. The question was then put, that Rochester, Chatham, and Stroud, in the County of Kent, stead part in schedule E. Mr. MILLS opposed the motion. Lord A LTHOR P supported it. A long debate ensued. Mr. HOBOES admitted that there was a good deal of disgust In the county of Kent ; but, it was not at the provi sloes of the 8111, but at the delay of that House in the pro ceeding with it. (Cheers.) Mr. HUNT on the present case must vote against the ministers. It was admitted that Chatham would become a nomination borough; be it so, let it have a member, or two members; but do not unite it with Rochester, which had hitherto returned two independent members. If this union took place, it would deprive that house of two independent members; therefore he should vote against the proposition. Mr. CHOKER said, the secret of Chathanfe self-denial In leaving all to the house was. that If the bill passed it would return both the members. Let Chatham if they pleased have honestly one member; but let it not fraudu lently get possession of Rochester's two members. Mr. BARRETT said, he was bound to state that it was the conviction of the Inhabitants of Rochester, if this bill passed, their elective rights were gone. He trusted that the proposition would not be pressed; if it were, so peculiarly circumstanced were Rochester and Chatham, that It would be gross and lapses injustice towards Rochester.—( Hear ) Lord 31ILTON said, he could not look at the peculiar Interests of a particular place—but he must refer to what' was best for the general interests of the country.—(Hear.)--1 That induced him to be favourable to the retention of Rs cheater in schedule K. se e t pr e s e nt propos e d. Mr. GOULBURN admitted the noble Lord's principle; but declared that previously to disfranchising Rochester,' which would be the effect of the proposed junction, the ne cessity for and the justice of It ought to be made manifest. —(Hear ' bear.) He then referred to the cane of Gateshead, and observed that the principle applied on the banks of the Tyne were not to be extended to the banks of the Medway. —(Loud cheers) Mr. T. DUSCOMBE said, that If this were intended to insinuate that there was unfair extension of Members to Durham,— (Loud cheers from the opposition benches) — and if it were meant to be insinuated that Lord Durham bad exercised his influence to effect that advantage, he would resent it as base and wicked calumny.—(Oreat agita. doe, and cries of Chair.) The CHAIRMAN doubted not that the hoe. member hild attend words in the heat of debate that he had not in to use. (Hear.) Mr. T. DUNCO NIBE.—He would aoherlyand discreetly say, that if the late Chancellor of the Exchequer meant to insinuate that Lord Durham, one of the ministers, had availed himself of his station to give undue inlhigire to Mr. him by the bill, as a friend of Lord Durham he repelled that insinuation as a base and wicked calumny. (Hest-) Colonel PEEL.—By the repetition the bon. member has only aggrevated the offence. Sr H. A ARDINGIL.—No Imputation on Lord Durham was meant; the decision in the two eases only was ed. vaned to. Sir R. INGLIB—The honourable member has said, that hi soberly and &weedy used the language. WILL the ' Chairman state whether such expressions am tionalataat with the law of Parliament ? The CHAIR MAN (Mr. Banal) said, that he had oho of late been compelled to bars gamine this he did sat eaneider wetly consistent with tho law of rmilmailln i het palatal u It was to hear deem, it was Mink m Make ; sad,. uncle all the tiresomeness; he ilk newish, that the hanwembis member would sot coolly apron what he had. ao doubt, used in the hat ot debate, and la the harry of ai graNOOMßEasid. the charp bad bus that Durham we preferred to the prejudice of other counties, and that sentiment was cheered by the opposition, and being so cheated, not doubting the meaning of the insinuation against Lord Durham, he still deemed It a base and wicked insinuation. Whatever penalty the House could impose, if uttering the truth exposed him to such penalty, he was ready to pay it. Mr. WYNN said if such expressions were to be allowed it would be impossible to proceed with their debates (hear.) He was sure the hon. member was not desirous of trans. gressing the rules of the house, and the courtesies observable iu the intercourse between gentlemen. Lord ALTHORP said it was very desirable to proceed with as little personality as possible. If he thought there was insinuation that the member (Mr. buncombe) assumed, he should admit that it ought to be met in the strongest manner possible, but it bad occurred to hint that there was no such direct insinuation. If t h at were so, then of course the expressions were rot justifiable; and having been nt. tared in the heat of debate, perhaps the bon. member would acknowledge that he did not intend to abide by than. (Hear.) Mr. DUNCOMBE.—If the late Chancellor of the Ex ' chequer will state that be meant no such insinuation, I will readily retract my expressions. (Hear, hear.) Mr. GEORGE MURRAY mentioned that the Chairman had stated the words to be disorderly, and yet the hon. mem. ber supported them. Mr. DUNCOM BE.—Till the late Chancellor of the Ex chequer retract his expressions, if I rightly understood them, I must adhere to what I have said. Colonel LINDSEY said, this was defying the Com. mittee. [The Speaker, who evidently had been fetched, to endea vour to allay the great commotion that continued in the Committee, or to get them out of the difficulty, at this period of the extraordinary proceeding, entered the house, took his seat on the Treasury Bench, and began to make the most anxious inquiries of all around him, and to at tend earnestly to the proceedings. The house was In " per fect" uproar. Mr. C. STANLEY said, if the honourable member be lieved such imputation to have been made, or if it had been made, lie was justified in r.tpelling it with the strongest lan guage of which the forms of the House would warrant the use. Sir C. WETHERELL made some observation, to endea vour to abate the storm Mr. DUNCOMBE.—I have stated what I understood to he the late Chancellor of the Exchequer's insinuation ; if I am wrong, why is he silent?—(Hear, hear, and order, order.) Mr. F. LEWIS said, whether there was the insinuation or not. the expressions were ditiordeily ; at least, if they were allowable, there would be un end of the freedom of debate. Ile thought the hon. member had been actuated upon by a too punctilious " jealousness" of honour. Lord MIL VON observed, that the illustration of the ri ;lit hon. gentleman (Mr. Uoulburn) between the banks ot the Tyne and the banks of the Medway, was far. fetched, and not calculated to promote peace; but perhaps the hon. member for Hertford, (Mr. Duncombe) would acknowledge that he had too hastily come to his conclusion. Mr. J. SC ARLETT said, it was hard to complain of his right hon. friend's words, since neither the chairman nor the committee had complained of them when they were uttered. Mr Duneombe was loudly called for, but Mr. Duncombe kept his seat. Mr. WESTERN observed, that the hon. member bad used hie remarks hypothetically ; in that case, if the remarks were not made, the observations did not apply if tbev were made, ought they not to receive some answer? Mr. DUNCODIBE said, if the insinuations were made, he should abide by his remarks: it was the lee Chancellor of the Exchequer alone that could make him retract. Mr. C. FERGUSON (Mr. Binge having been supposed to interrupt Mr. Duncombe's explan .d.m) said it was the first time an Hon. Member had been prevented from ex plaining his own words. Tither. bad been the charge again l Lord Durham, no language could too strongly repel it; but all to the insinuation he heard it almost nightly—and not only against Lord Durham, but against the Ministers gene. rally. The administiatien, however, stood too high for cha. meter in the estimation of the country to be touched by such insinuations ; and whether it did or not, he had admired noble lords and others for disdaining to reply to such insi nuations. (Hear, hear.) Sir H. HARDINGE said that tbe boa member who had just spoke was no very successful peam.maker. The ques tion was, who gave the original oft' not ? It was admitted that the hon. member for liertfotd's words were not very parliamentary, therefore he was the party who bad used the offensive words • that being the case, it was quint iroperible that his right h o n . friend (Mr. Goulburn) could retract. Mr. DUNCO MBE said he did not wish to use unpsrlle. mentary or ungentlemanly language; but to show that be bad not mistaken the meaning of the right hon. gentleman, be translated his language, and the correctness of the " translation" was acknowledged by the loud cheers of those around the right hon. gentleman. Therefore be had as sumed that what he put hypothetically was confirmed, by such loud and decisive cheers • assuming that be was correct in what he stated to have been insinuated, he had resisted and repelled it. Mr. W YNN rose amidst much uproar (if the expression may be applied to the house) and loud cries of qualm. What he said we did not hear. Lord MILTON thought they might be extricated from their present difficulty, if the cheirman would only put the question now really before the Committee. (Loud cheers.) Lord STORMONT thought the Chaimaan ought to state whether the language that had been used was paella. mentary. (Hear, and no.) The SPEAKER then rose, and was hailed with loud cheers, se the only individual likely to extricate the Calm. mince from the commotion and difficulty. He said that none could more heartily desire than he did to put an end to the present contest, because experience bad shown him that no question of disorder was mitigated or remedied by extended discussion. The impression which had been made, It was asserted it was not intended to produce • but be that as it might, the words used and now complained of wore offen. sive, if so at all, to the Committee, rather than to the right hon. gentleman (Mr. tioulburn.) The disorderly and offset• sive words were made as an hypothesis put by an honourable member; that honourable member then said, if his hype. thesis were unfounded, he readily expressed hie regret for the observations he bad used. So far was the matter a.. plained. He would not say that under any dircumatanue the words were orderly, but the hoo. member himself had admitted that they were inapplicable if the cause for them had not existed, Under all the circumstances be deprecated the continuance of this discussion. (Hear, hear.) Expla nations had taken place, and if they were continued, exas perations would arise ; so that, ff the discussion were not terminated, by the time they got rid of one difficulty they might depend upon it they would find themselves involved in many difficulties. (Hear, best.) There were then loud cries of qualm, question, amidst which strangers were ordered to withdraw. The Committee divided, and the numbers were— For the motion . Against it I - Majority for the mesas. lOO Sir C. WETHERELL. on our readmission into the Gallery, was speaking on the Sandwich and Deal district, °burring on the claims of Raresgate and Margate to have I a share -n this reprwentation. Mr. MARRYAT observed that Dial was a pepalous place, and four miles from Sandwich; Ramsgate was seven, and Margate nine miles of The question, that Sandwich, Deal. and Widmer, stand pan of Schedule E, was agreed to. The next quesSon was, that the borough of Southwark, and the parish of Christchurch, sand port of the schedule. Mr. CALVERT said he was couldent the addition oi l Christchurch to the borough of Southwark, would give sa. tiafaction to all the parties conowned. The question was agreed la The nest question was, that erdiedule B. stand tort ads bilL--ApeW to. The next clause was No.S, and related to plum in Wake. The CHAIRMAN said tbs geoid= was, that ash ef the places In schedule F. should have a shore in Medallion of a member for the shim, town, or borough, mentions* sm. junction therewith In said s chedule. Mr. C. W. W YNN suggested that the most masa' counties in Wales should be allowed two ispressntadme. Camel WOOD and Lord MILTON approved of the sa r ti MiON said, what the the. alms he shodd put in a deka tar addkkosl members ter fieedead. heel ALTHORP said hs Gadd net give any ot p oi by the ewe nmialtem to the aunty than ImITIL The hew mood I the CHAIRMAN mooted mime, and Wed bove to sk odd ebb day. lbs SPIA[IIIII4I64 be hoped the besot vireid= Ma to a tow weeds in mama to what hai Aim dimedidy lo the etemitela Whiter the view he took et --.-Mni. that ease was right or wrong, he had not suggested at,y , that could compromise any party, and he thought ail had taken place should be consigned to oblivion. Mt... It would be a great personal satisfaction to him if he co. feel that the views taken by him were those t a k en 11 It, house and by every individual of it. (Hear, hear.) Lord ALTHORP said sitting as long u h e had tIoLe v, the house, it was impossible for him not to feel that th e Speaker had always preserved the orders of the house rays the most delicate attention to the feelings of every member, and on no occasion had he evinced that feeling more tltac i ,. what had taken place that night. Sir O. MURRAY said, he was confident that afi ct c ut had taken place the feelings of his right hon. friend mu ,. be satisfied, and all must admire the conciliatory conduct 0. the Speaker. • The house went Into committee on the grant to the DochAt of Kent Bill. Mr. lIUME asked, if the Princess Victoria rhou:d whether the money would continue to be paid to the Dacli of Kent. Lord ALTHORP said the money was granted for th support and education of the Princess Victoria, and h thought in case of her death, it would not be payable to ti.! Duchess under the grant. Mr. HUME thought it ought to be explicitly expressA. Lord ALTHORP said he hoped his bon. friend would allow the bill to pass through the committee, and be should consider the point against the report should be brought it,: this day. The several clauses of the Bill were agreed to. The House resumed, and the report was ordered to 1- brought up this day. The House went into Committee on the militia pay bin. Mr. HUME entered his protest against the manner : which the public money was thrown away on the militia. The clauses were agreed to. The House resumed.—Rcport this day. Mr. H U hIR gave notice that, before the Committer r ! the Reform Bill concluded, be should move that represetra. tives be granted to the colonies. Mr. S. RICE brought in a bill to repeal t►e duty or. candles. Read a first time, and ordered to be read a second thee on Friday. The other orders of the day were disposed of, and House adjourned at Half-past One o'Clock. FOREIGN INTELLIGENCE. , PARIS PAPERS OF TUESDAY. The French army has crossed the frontiers of Belgium in three different directions, at day-break, on the 7th instant. The official intelligence et its having entered the Belgic territory, amid uni versal acclamations has reached Paris. A letter from Lille, dated 6th inst. states, that their Royal Highnesses the Duke of Orleans and Newours arrived last night at ten o'clock, at Valenciennes. Marshal Gerard, Commander-in-Chief of the army of the North, was expected there. The news of the determination of the Govern. ment to send an army to assist the Belgians wai hailed with transports of joy throughout the whole department. At Lille, the grand square was spon taneously illuminated. Preparations are actively making for the departure of the troops, or rather all is ready. At Douai, Cambray, &c. the same feeling prevails. The troops show the greatest enthnsiasm.—Afessager. M. d'Oubril, Minister of Russia in Spain, has arrived in Paris. Last night an extraordinary mes senger from Vienna arrived at the Austrian Em bassy with despatches, which are said to be of the bighest importance. The Minister of Marine has addressed the following circular to the Maritime Prefects and Chiefs,tbe Governors of Colonies,Com menders of naval squadrons and division', &c.— " Paris. Aug. 6. '• Sir—The Monileur of yesterday has informed yon that a French army was entering Belgium to protect the inde. pendence and neutrality of that kingdom, conformably to the engagement which the King bad entered into to that effect. " There is every teason to hope that, if hostilities take place on the Belgian territory between our armies and thole of Holland, this war will be but of short duration. " With the twofold view of diminishing u much as pos- sible the evils that are inseparable from it, and of limiting, as it were, the extension of them, the King prescribes at this moment that no attack shall be directed against the colonies. the naval stations, and the maritime trade of Holland, if to her side the vessels of that power abstain from all hostility against ours. " Thus, no means has as yet been ordained either for laying an embargo upon the Dutch vessels which are in out ports, or for capturing such u our armed vessels might meet at sea; or, finally, for authorising the delivery of Were: di 'marque to merchants, who, upon the ground of a state of war, might wish to fit out privateers. " It is very probable that the error which at this women: leads the Dutch troops to violate the Belgian territory will be but of short duration, and that in no case it will lead to a maritime war between France and Holland. " The Cabinet of the Hague has been made acquainted with the steps which the King has adopted in this respect; but if, contrary to our expectation, the Dutch should begin hostilities at sea, energetic and prompt meuures are being taken to make just reprisals, and afford to our commerce that support which it has a right to expect from a Goyim:met peotectirg the interests of all. " Be pleased to transmit to the Commanders of vessels employed under your orders, instructions la conformity to the contents of this despatch, and recommend to them te• doubled vigilance, but direct them at the nuns time to ab. stain from any act of hostility, except in case of en evident and manifest provocation.—Believe me, &c. " Count DR RIONY." Extract of a letter of the lst instant, from the Hague :—" It is reported that Prince Albert of Prussia will arrive on the 20th inst. at the Palace of Loo. This morning, the battalion of the Friesland militia, which had been in garrison hers since April last, marched out for Rotterdam, from whence they will be conveyed by steam vessels to Bois-le-Duc."—Journal du Commerce. ST oct EICZAN4II. Mosamv, Au.. 8.-1 1 1ve per 0,8114 83f 66e 30e 16c 10c 83f 82f 90e 83( 82f 110 e 7bc 70e 80c 83f 8W 96e 811 f 82f 80e 9be 90e 83f 83f 10c. 71tree per cents. 6W 25c 61f 90c 62f 61f 90e 70e 7k 60e Oft 75c 70c Bbe 80e 60e 40e 50e 4k 80e 60c 46e 6k 70e 80e 69e 60e. DUTCH PAPERS OF MONDAY. %ADA, AUGUST s.—The particulars which we have received of the operations of our army are to the following effect :—After taking by storm Great and little Ravels, our army fell in with the enemy about 1200 strong, with three cannon, posted in the woods between Ravels end Turnhout the Belgians received our troops with a discharge of cannon, but scarcely had one of our batteries of field artillery fired a few shots than the enemy fled. Wherever our troops appeared, the Belgians retreated in confusion and with extraordinary rapi dity: hence the small number of prisoners taken by us. Besides dying, many of the Belgians leave their corps and come over to us. According to the latest accounts, the first and second divisions took up a position yesterday (the 4th) near Ghee!, :where the 3d division, under Lientenant-General 'Meyer, is to join to-day. The head-qbersies were advanced the same day, to Turnhout, but would go forward if the further operations are sameasfel. f;' .