Star. — London, England, 1831-03-26 00:00:00

IMPERIAL PARLIAM F ::T. HOUSE OF LORDS, MARcH 25. The Duke 14 GRAFTON presented a petition front a parish In in :upport of the refotm The FAH of CARLISLE a petition from the seamen of Poole, :,raying to he relieved float payment of money to the Greenwich Ms. ,ital Fund. L Ma Duke of DEVt INSH IRE presented petitions from the county Derby, M'althani, Yougball, and Clapham, in the county of Sur. r ey, in fivnur of Parliamentary reform. Mr. Mundy, ant other Members from the Commons, brought up ;.;veral private bills. COUNTY OT DOWN PETITION. The Marquis of LONDONDERRY claimed the usual indulgence th house for the purpose of explaining a misrepresentation which ,ad gone forth respecting the observations he made lust night in oppo .ition to the petition preaented by the noble earl from the county of Peron. Some of the journals made him say the petition was signed r the lowest rabble. lie did not make use of such an expression.— :h he could have done so it would have been at variance with all his ::nowledge of the freehohlers of a county in which he had passed many •appy years of lots life. The noble marquis distinctly denied having , •ade use of the expression. What he did say WIN, the petition had —en signed by the lowest freeholders, which was very different front -t.hble. The noble marquis admitted, that Colonel Ford, whose name .ppeared to the petition, was a most respectable person, but as he had :at seen the petition, he certainly did not expect to find the name of hat gentleman among the signatures. It waa the most painful thing a the world to he thought capable of saying any thing distespectful of reelsolders for whom he entertained the »i t ches , . esteem. Earl °REV was sure the house woulti naive with the greatest in. !algence any 'perch from the noble lonl, and he was teally glad he had to opportunity of disclaiming the exprecoinit of rabble which he had supposing the noble marquis had ut ;red the words. The int. peession nn his mind at die time was, that the noble marquis used the •xpression, but as the noble marquis tkiiieel havi»g done so, he must !tare been under a mit-take betine. The noble bid certainly spoke of the lowest tieeholders, anti at the time he (Earl Grey) used the word rabble be was not corrected by the noble lord. lie tests 0;41 the noble lord bad explained himself, but the noble earlcnuld no: avoid saying, that he, in common with those from whom the reports had gone fan!: to the public, hod laboured under the impression that the words f e ll fr o m the noble lord. The Marquis of LONDONDERRY explained. Loid WHARNCLIFFE gave notice that he should move, on Monday next, for papers, anil introduce the subject of reform in Par liament. The noble lord presented o petition from the parish of Ca Buxton, Uxtonneath, in the county of Glamorgan ' agaistst the tithe system. The petitioners complained of the a b ase of a uto.les of hay t hick had long existed in their parish, and prayed for alteration of the taw applicable to tithe. The Duke of NORFOLK presented a petition from Cork for Par !iiimetitary reform. Lord KING presented a petition to the same effect front the county t Mem). The noble lord presented another petition from Ayrshire, :be same effect. CHURCH LIVINGS. ivileges of the House of Lords had : , een HOP. G.ntle maa would not aggravate that breach of order by introducing the sub ject into that house. 3lr. RUT HVEN said he had not mention rd the House of Lords; but he had read that a noble lord had commented one meeting held in the county of Down, for the purpose of petitioning for Reform, alleging that it wax not respectable. The meeting was c a lled by the High Sheriff, and was most respectably attended. The late menthe,. for ;lic county was present, who sea as large a fortune as either of the pre sent member *. The pct than unanimously agreed to, and was roost respectably signed. CASTLEREAGH said, he had before teased, that the peti tion was respectably signed, and that he was sorry he could not agree in its prayer. He was convinced that when the plan of Reform was better known there would be a great re-action. Mr. KEITH Di )UOLAS inquired whether the hon. gentleman opposite (Mr. Buxton) meant to make any motion respecting slavery in the "Nest Inpics. and what was the nature o. it. Mr. BUXTON said, his object was to intrtxluce a resolution wine.' would result in die abolition of slavery. Ile hoped the Auhject would he taken up by his Majesty's Ministers. He shocld bring forward his motion on Tuesday next. Mr. COURT ENAY asked Lord Althorp when he should bring for. ward the Immo:sell alteration in the wine duties. Lora A Li' HORP mid, not till after ate holidays—he could no; vet name the day. Sir It. PEEL said he wished to ask the noble lord opposite a ques don respecting the bill of reform. Ile would assume that it was just to itisfranchke as many places as were :sropotted in the Bill, but allcousi agree that it should he done acemding to jaatie,e, and tiro. larger places should not be disfranchised and smaller allowed to continue to se:, i their representatives. This would be the effect. neording to the pro posed pirm, because in some instances the po;,ulation of the parish was take? ; in others, that of the borough. The parish of Tamworth con- talned seven thousand inhAitants, the boron A h but Mice thonsaud tive hundred, which was the return metre, in consep, nee u? whirl, it was to lose on.: of its representatives, but it' chaos:sled f.by the popu lation of the palish, s was the case in some phrt, x. ;t wovld returo both. lo other cases the parish and the '?orotiAit were rgn.rl , and it, :schen( the return made was that of th - parisO, ,t , ‘ 1 ao, of toe borooah. it was quite clear that they should proes:' , l unis'oemly on the popula tion' either of the parish, or of the borotnlii,;, , ac - c h. Lord ALTHORP sail, there cull he oo objection to receive every information, anti if the population teturn- were ioaccurate, tire mieta!‘e should be corrected. Mr. F. LEWIS could not understand by what rule Radium was to be deprived of its representatives, as it boil contributory hmouglis Odell raised it numb above four thousand inhabitants. IL could not under stand how the rule had been applied to the Welsh boroughs. He would suggest the propriety of laying all the &tailed answers sent to the Home o:lice on the till tject befom the Nowa:. Lord JOHN RUSSELL said, the principle applied to Englntl was not applicable to AVales. 'rita whole of the information re ceived should he laid before the house; earl if the rule admitted Tam. worth, or any other borough, to retain its whole representation there could be'no objection. Lord kNLO/11HE said, the borough of Truro, including its Fe. baths, included 7.01111 inhabitants, and should therefore be allowed to return two mentints, though borough was uutler four titonsat,d, and us that was the number returned according to the proem phut, it would lose one. The Noble Lord also presented a petition on the subject of tithes, alluding to a transfa of church livings by a right rev. prelate (the iltsbnp of Ely), expressed his surprise on finding tile Lord Chancellor assented to the transaction. Mr. G.IIIOORE said, if every householder in Dublin who inhabited a house ot 101. : , .year was entitled to a vote, is would actunlly amount to universal suffrage. 31r. STANLEY said, there :was a paper now printing which would give the honourable gentleman full information rewcting the proportion of 101. householders in Dublin. Ii: belisr,tl tha number about 17,000. _ _ The LORD CHANCELLOR explained the share he bad in the :ransaction. He received two letters from the Right Reverend Prelate, requesting him to waive the tight of the Great Seal to pre ,eination of livings which the Right Rev. Prcla.c was desirous of giving to his san. The matter concerned had Eldon, and the Right lea. Prelate having been referred to Lord Eldon, that ni bk. and !owned Lord gave his consent, and the appointment was made out. He (the Lord Chancellor) did cot know rodent state of health the Right Rev. Prelate might be in, but he thought that Rev. Prelate ought to he in good health, and in sane mind; for he was giving away promo. don uhich should not be given without he was in tinn possession of hie faculties. The nt.ble and learned Lord was suspicious there were per.- sans in the neighbourhood of the Right Rev. Prelate who disposed of his patronage. lie should da his duty to his king, and if there was any abuse of patronage, he would never lend himself to it. Lord PLU NKET presented a petition from a Town in Ireland for repeal of the Union. The noble and learned Lord did not concur in the object of the petition. Earl GREY presented several petitions for Reform in Parliament. The Marquis of BUTE presented a petition to that effect from Oh .;lorganshire. Their Lordships then adjourned at Half-past Six o'Clock. HOUSE OF COMMONS. Sir GEORGE CLERK presented a petition from the Bankers, Merchants, and principal inhabitants of Edinburgh, against the plan of Reform proposed by Ministers. The petition was signed by up wards of 600 persons. Mr. HUM E said, that the signatures to the petition were re ,tectable no one could doubt; but it was agreed on at a private meting, and the Reporters for the public press were turned out of • . t.som.—(A laugh.) The individuals who signed it were respect t. they were attached to that party who had so long misruled ,ed.—( Hear. hear.) PRINIi LE said, there was not time to call a meeting for dig ta- it would have been done; but the petition was signed by t.rsons of all parties. There never was a petition presented to the ;Leer entitled to more weight. S:r GEORGE STAUNTON said, he was reported to hrtve said on presenting a petition In favour of reform, that he gave his unqualified approbation to the plan of reform proposed by ministers. ‘Vhat he really said was, that ite entirely concurred in the prayer of the petition ; but there were parts of the hill of which he could not approve. Sir GEORGE CLERK presented tat' petitions fr.•ut the county of Peebles, sgait.st that part of the Reform Bill which proposes to unite their county with another. Mr. HODGES presented twanty.mine petitions from places in Kent, infavour of Me plan of reform proposed by ministers ; an d a petition from Sandwich, against the disfranchisement of non.iesident voters. Mr. MARRI6Ia and Mr. G. PRICE buppumd the prayer of 'he petition. Mr. OTONNELL thought it could fie an advantage to include ell the Inhabitants of o parish In Irelcuitl, la which a borougo was situittetl,, in the right of voting. Sir CHARLES FORBES would advise the noble lord to with. draw his bill altogether, :and begin ai ; ain.—(A kugh.) If the bill slwuld get into a committee. whicb he hoped it never would, what prospect would the noble lord Lava of gating out of it with. out having his bill torn limb from limb—the flesh torn from the bone.—(A laugh.) Si: R. INGLIS suggested that i;ta bill s;iluld be postponed till the new population lemma should be male out. Lord J. RUSSELL said Oa populatico retnrns would not be made out till July ; and with respect in the advice to withdraw the bill, he had too much respect toe the dieisiun a.' Cie house, which had ordered the hill to be read a second time, nor to use his hest endeavours to carry it to /.1 triumphal regillt.—irear, hear.) Sir GEORGE CLEK asked would there be a new return made for Scotland ? .lr. 110DGF.S presented a petition from the county of Kent in fa vour of the plan of ref-rm proposed by ministers. The meeting at which it was agreed to was one of the most respectable and numerous he nad ever witoe.stxl, and they were all unanimous in favour of the plan proi used by mini-xis. Mr. JONES asked the ruble lord why the borough of Aristow, on the estr.:e of Lord Caralor, who riipported ministers, was to be retained, while large borot;lia were to be disfranchised ? Lurd J. RUSSELL said, it the hen. gent thought there was any .potion of *rising Lord Cewilor. he was completely mistaken. He be. :level the electors of the borough who read in Lord Cawdor's interest were nun•residerts, and would be cut off by the bill. It was 1.10: the principle of the 6:11 ro disfranchise cootributary boroughs, but the strict est impartial 'ty t - sas observed. Mr. G. DAWSON said h was notorious that Lord Durham was irstrumental hi drawing up the reform bill for England ; and Durham was to get six new members. The tot.•n of Gateshead. one of these, was within tax miles of Lord Durham's residence, and there were six teen parishes in Lancashire that bad a greater population, to which an representation wes given. Sunderland and South Shields, to each of which represematives were given, had also u less population than many parishes in Lancashire. There wes one parish in Lancashire that had 3 greater population than Gateshead, South t•hields. and Sunderland, aild yet it was left without representation. It would be said that the constitution was destroyed for the purpose of creating beer boroughs tat Lord Ditrhain.—(blear.) He thought, niter the part the press had taken in UM, question, every gentleman should take every means of disabusing the people of England. Sir G. "" kltlf ENDER said he must do the justice to ministers to saw, that so tar from Lord Cawdor's inkiest being considered by the his interest in Sett:laud would be destroyed by it, of which dial Noble Lord made no complaint. Mr. C. WOOD thought the discussion was improperly introduced. the right hon. gentieniau said there were many parishes in Lancashire core populous than Gateshead; that was perfectly true, but these places were towns. and it was the intention to give representations to towns—not to pftrishes. Sir JOliN SEIIIIIOHT thought the more the subject was cis. sussed the betray; but if they were to go into such discussions on the presentations of petitions, they might as well send back the petitions to their constituents, Lad tell theca at once there was no time for their presentation. Sir M. RIDLEY said there were circumstances in the case of derland and south Shields, which amply justified giving them repre- Nentatives. They had a great trade and chipping interest. Lord STANLEY raid, some of the parishes in Lancashire had as many as 30 towlis they had all expressed themselves grateful for the present bill. Ti:c LOUD ADVOCATE did not think there was any ground for any preliminary proceeding of that sort previous to applying toe 101 to Scotland. There was a return made alio'', a unoala ago of all the biwd Isou%es in Scotland rated at 101. and upwarls, which he kid in his hand. The Marquis of GRAHAM said the whole representation of Scotland would be thrown into the hands of manufacturing towns, and the agri- I cultural interest would be desuoyed. The LORD ADVOCATE said he meant to propose that the NeCOllll reading of the bill should. .take place:ou the 22d ot . April, when the sub ject would he folly discussed. Colonel LINDSEY said it was unjust towards Scotland to delay the discussion of the bill. Scotland was in a state of alartn about the bill, he should oppose the bill in all its stager. Mr. HUME said that Scotland was in favour of the bill from one end to the other. (Hear, hear.) lie had himself meserted petitions from a majority ot the burghs in its favour; and had two county peti tions to present already. There were knots in several counties whose interests were affected, and who thought themselves all Scotland., though they were btu a miserable minority. ([lear.) A /11EusEn raid the hon. nteinber for Middlesex had travelled) Scotland in fiivoor of reform, and that was the cause of the petitions in favour of Reform film)) the: country.—(hear.) .Mr. HUME said, according Ma t:oii. gentleman, Scotland bowed: to his nod. He hard stipported the plan of lkforto proposed by Minist,ris, and had spoke» anti allow in its favour. The greatest misfortune to the Anti-Ref:inners was, that the. Reformers bad trot CifFered nlaiut the :plan but were all united in its support. (Mar.) They were mottilied to see the member for Preston, and the member for Water find, and the member for Middlesex, all sopportiug the 'Ministers' plan. (Great cheering.) Ile acs willing to try the plan, and it' it proved sufficient he would not ark ter more : but ii it teem fout.d d.. Relent he certainly should leg:. ire taltlitiona security. (Hear.) 111 r. FERGUSON said, Scotland very ;;enmity cpproyed of the plan of 'ldiom proposed by Ministers. He Hough. nine-tenths of tl:e p eo pl e N o w t in 16urunft ot the principle of ,lic Dill. (Hear.) Sir GEORGE MURRAY said a bilge proportion or' the people r f Scotland thought the: sonic reform was necessary; but he utterly de nied that the people of tentland gcnendly were in favour of the plats or reform proposed by ministers. (ticar, hear.) Giving the right at voting to tenants would cause landlords to give bloc lases, and to parcel out their estates in WI. forms, end in that tray lie the cause of many evils. The bill also tended to make die clertty of Staab:too politicians, 'which would greatly injure their use:Lilo:rt. Tiie gen try of Setillrisd saw the bill in that light, and did not approve of it. He was :;lad to see that the freeholders of 31it'allesex had sent to Scotland for a ye. presentative to speak their sentic , ents in the tongue of the North ; and he was glad that Mr. Willis bad round so able u successor as the hon. gentleman. (A laugo ) The LORD ADVOCATE, in answer to the objection which hied 'been urged regarding the clergy by the honourable maieber oppo-ke, said, that the proposers of die bill nierait to leave the clergy in the ' situation tint they ere row in. B. t it any clergyman i.ossessetl a right by a freehold of hie own, that the bitl was not intended to take that right away. it must lie left to theit discretion that they did not interfere with eolities.asithe hill did not cone:soh: to anytitini ; like a pro hibition. His lordship said, that as the welted le iocities of both bilk were the same; that much time and tturtecessare discussion would be saved by defetrivg the second reading till tlie 16th of Aptil. Bard it not been upoo that consideration, tic was prepared to have gone into :lie discussion on that night. Sir G. MURRAY, and an honourable member whose name we could not learn, rosc to exhaustion. Sir A:AGNEW said lie would support the measure. Sir AL SHAW STEWART said, that he could contradict the statement that bad been made, that the wart of Seodaed wes not uni versally /or the meesure—he knew the contrary to be die fact. He would support the bill. Capt. WEMYSS approved of a timall portion of the English biA, but he did not pretend to understand it in detail. With respect to the bill for Scotland, be thought the right to vote should he vested in pro petty alone, for it appeared to him clearly, that if votes were to he ex tended to tenants, that landlords could always influence those votes, and that it would commence a political airfare between the agricultural end manufacturing cheeses. lie acknowledged that there was a general feel ing in favour of reform in Scotland, but it existed chiefly among that class who were likely never to possess freeholds. An Honourable AlErtiaxa confirmed the statement that had been made by the hon. member fur Aliddlesex, as to the general feeling that prevailed in Scotland in favour of the bill, and said that they all antici pated with gratification the consummation of the bill. The conversation dropped. Mr. BURGE begged to put a question unconnected with the subject under discussion. He wished to ask the hon. member for Weymouth , (Mr. Buxton) if he intended to persevere in his intention to bring on the motion, which he had given notice of, respecting negro slavery. He also expressed his regret that the returns moved for, connected with the subject, had not been laid on the table. Mr. (MERLES asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer, if it was his intention to propose a repeal of the duty on candles and oda before the recess. Lord J. RUSSELL said, in the committee on the bill he should Cully explain the grounds on which the plans to return representatives sere determined, with a view to give efficient representation. Mr. G. DAIVSfiN said, that as the committee on the bill was post poned to the 14th of Apia, its opponents had no other opportunity of delivering their sentiments than on petitions. Mr. HUNT said the people of England. and the people of Lance 'hire in particular, must be much obliged to the Right Hon. Gentle fan for taking than under his protection. Instead of sending the petitions back to their constituents, he hoped the Government would Send back the representatives.—(A laugh.) Mr. RUTHVEN said, he must call the attention of the house to 'umcehing imputed to a noble lord, in a publication of this day, which he hoped he had never said, as it had no truth to rest on.—(Cries of Name.) A publication of this day stated that the Marquis of Lon -1 londerry had stated, in another place, that a society had been formed In Downpatrick-- Tae SPEAKER called the Hon. Gentleman to order. The house was very indulgent to the breath of their own privileges; but if the .-- Lord ALTHORP said he had no objection to postpone the repeal of the duty on candles until after the recess, but that he was resolved to repeal the duty on coals forthwith. Mr. BUXTON, in reply to the previous question, said that he was b ei cen ioul d d on m e ak o e n a di onti oth e: o ll s ,ooo ion l m . dee nit Ire d to ling forward his motion relating to negro slavery on . for H an e ho o ill tfit to for kno the w from the Lord whether, if he madea motion on the subject, it would receive the support of Ministers. Tuesday next. Lord HO WICK rose to state, that if his recollection had not deceived him, the rearms alluded to had already been laid before the house • but to propose it to the house, had not his Meaty Interposed to prevent it ; at all events, that no blame was to be attached to Government, fo r the returns were ot voluminous, that it had not yet been possible to get Lord ALTHORP said it had been the intention of the Government that being the case he thought it unnecessary j to make any grant for rhe them out of the hands of the printer. Mr. HORACE TWISS made some observations of a dissentient Purpose. nature. Mt. HUN 1' mid hi s M a j est y h a d done himself great honour , and Lord HOW ICK an d hl r . ThVISS exp l a i ne d, an d t h e conversat i on raised himself in t h e est i mat i on o f t h e rout-try : an d h e could liardi help thinking th a t these who were now so anxious to make y dropped.d ie The louse resolved itself into a Committee on the Navy Estimates. grart, wished cr deprive hi, Majesty and the Queen of the po. 75,1891. were v ote d for seamen's wages. p ularit y they rived Flom refusieg it. If the money was to be paid 31,5001. for officeis pay anO co»dneeticies. by the artstocracy and tint house. 1:e should not object to it ; but 49,00411. Ow salaries in the Navy Pay-office, and contingencies. when he knew ii was to come out of the pockets of the people, lie must 20,1621. ihr the ecieetific departmeni, &C. oppose if Sir. WARBURTON then urged, in order to determine the of londif rence eitude of certain commercial localities, that ships should Sir. LITTLETON e el, h e h ear d f rom t h e Ch ance ll or o f t h e Ev fee! lune with surprise and regret. that govetnment bad consented to hi, be sent out furnished with chronometers, and that they should adopt Majesty's refusal of the grant. He really thought that the house ought the method of triangulating. Sir JAM ES GRAILI3I ated that vessels row employed to 'peke tin •gt mt. It Wel% ll saving unworthy of the greatness of the nation. on ibis occasion ; when the for the purpeee mentioned, I nt l e month of the St.L awn ence, in the Adriatic anti the Archipelago, and on the coast of New Zeidatel.— Mr. lit' 19l: wro surprised a' the conduct of the oppositit t u snesubere government they supported we. in power, A fourth vessel had lately returned from Ca ith Crepe Horn w very heauti- t , hey h did not sugg es t i n th em t o ma k e t h e giant i n opoos i t i on to " fully executed charts. Th ree surve y s were a l so i n progress oat the is lajcsty's de s ire, a nd h e th oug h t i t l oo k e d as if t h e y were now set on to embarrass the pre s ent nninietiy.—(No, no.) He cement.. Coast of Great B r i ta i n . (H ear .) H e s i teu ld fo ld t h at t h e pronto theu e ht so after the govern ment h a d agreed to his Majesty's genteel of government would give ev er y encouragernat to i nve s t i gat i ons o f thi s was very euspicente. lion. frien d O en ' d T l N llL N l E n. L p le it t al ai eature. the money. he thought their conduct in no t • opposing governinem After a few words from Sir G. Cerfax, Sir J. GRAHAM, and Si; had a 1 d e certainly .1. YORKE, the item was enamel to.perfectly th c e en ap et i t , r , r a cd an i ce n o o f p be ini i o n i g t with $2,2491. was thee votel for the Dock-yard expenditure. Sir JAMES Gfi A HAM, in aretwer to a question from an her. embarrass the present minister.. a th de h t t o " hleade r, at that the Coast Guard would replace the Coos. Mr. CURTEIS thoueht it wee, most unreasenehle in the present dis blockade, and that an immediate seeing of 75,0001. would be effected treswd State of the country, when his Majesty refused the usua l want thereby. that dissatiefaction should be felt at the conduct ' of • • fur 6 ' ' ministers giving Sir J. YORKE approved of the proposed change of sehstittoine efl'eet to his Majesty's wishes. the preventive service for the cortet blockade. He trusted me First The House resolved itself in..) a Committe. Lori of site Aeituhalty would persevere in the measure notwithstaad- lewd A LTHORP eaM it was from the goner.) •sityof •, he King alone ins any wino.. that the r e f usa l o f t h e grant proceeded. Ilia ministers wore ready to dlr. MIME :don approved of the change, and considered it bene- repose it to the hawse if his Majesty had permitted it. (Heat, bear.) ficial as fer it went ; but instead of all this talk, ahem preventive sere li e had already stated the alterations he purposed to make in the civil vice a " d meet bled., le. how much better it would he to reduce tile diet- The princieel was to tale: fin:a it all the charges net immedi ihnicti on imports. Five or sin huedred theesand pounds a year might at opplicahle te the support of the own; all other expenses he then be seecd. toeught, Amulet be placed untier the conturof Parliament. ' The The event Ihr 82.0001. for the Officers of the Dick-yards at home ntitzr e Alteration lie proposed was a reduction in the amount of pensions was then egreol tn. to 7.0001. The civil list was given in lieu of the hereditary of , rev enues Sir JAMES GRAHAM then moved for 620,2001. for victualling the crown, and every expense which might be borne ou t or th a t ee. the limey. venue should be moderately provided for, and certainly one of those Lord G. St INERSET expressed his nstonishment at a Gallant was pensi ins. It was euggated that the best mode was to increase Admiral's cotsut cof the Bloclerule, as he was a Lord of the Admiralty ti . e /inn. purse, and leave it to the crown to make such payment... V/ i .110 U t the tulvice of responsible ministers. That •• ' i viten it wee estoblisliel. (A laugh.) sugges.ion, le thought wee Sitor. YORKE replied—Be due as it might, lie was ready to be a a most unconetitutionsl doctrine. The civil list was right-bend men to :del in suppressing it. (Cheers and laughter.) referred to a select committee, who had not the power of examining witnesses nor calling for papers. (Hear.) He supposed the reason was Resolution agreed to. tha tthe hto •' o ~.. did rent think such n pmcceding would be respectful to. MIRAPPLICATIOX OF PUKILIC MONEY. On the motion shut the Chairman do quit the Chair, all the Resole-wa rd his 11• - . .o, etc , . Questiens, however, were asked by the Committee, but he objected to any examination but that on the expenses in the e.,:- dons havitie been agreed to, partmerue of time high milkers of the household. It was found that Sir B. MARTIN said he wished to put a question to the First Lord 1 60,0001. had been granted to the privy purse, ana 50,0001. for the of the Admiralty. It bread been stated in the public prints, and else where, that there lhal been misapplication of money granted for public ; Queen sincemarriage of George 111. and the ums were now services h l by the late Adieiralny Beard, the Victualliog Beard, &c. Feel- 1 lowed. 119 3141. were allowed fin a eccond class yf expenee, which itie diet it was nn Infameue falsehood, if it ware meant to be insinuated i made a reduction of about ten thousand pounds in salaries of officers. In the third cl ,s-, whi c h comprised t h e expenses o f ; h e h ouse h o ld, t h e that any of die. tote Loots of the Admiralty appropriated any part of the . Public motley to their own penman purposes, he now wished to ask the n Committee did o u t think it w as possible for the King to live in the hos- Pim Lord of the Admiralty, whether, mice a ll the inquiries lie had been . Pliable wished he should ; JC ena bl e d to li ve , f or a sma ll er sum : w i t h out i ncur . table manner in whi c h hi s M a j esty w i s h e d to li re , an d which the peo able to Mte etitu, lie believed that one pound or one farthing had been so p, mivapprooriated by the late Boon!, or whether he held the 'pinion that ring debt, end therefore there was no saving effected in that class. In the they lied replied the money to any improper purpose. ? if the right fourth class there otos no reelection. In the fifth the pensions were re. duced, as soloed, to 741001. The whole amount proposed by government lon. baronet believed that the piddle money had &on eppropriated not for the public service, he felt a equal that the right hon. baronet, with was 310,0001. The ememince thought the sum of 498,7401. was that frankness which belonged to his character, would state the fact. sufficient, but the difference was so small that the reduction could lie would undertake to soy fee all the parties at the Admiralty, and in be of no avail to tile osuntry, and be thought it would be treating the other departments connected whim the nand service, from the First his hlejesty in a maimer not agreeable to the country to make lewd down to the lowest messenger, that there lied been no raitaapplicae such u reduction. (Hear, hear, hear.) He would therefore take upon tion of the peblic money. himself to propose the original sum of 510,0001. The noble lord moved Sir J. G:{-1H AM said he was quite really to give an answer to the that for the support of the lifoilletlr of the crown and of his Majesty's inquiry, whether, after all the investigation which he Irene! deemed it household, there be patted to his Majesty a net income of 510.0001. his dutv tn promote, he tote of °pinkie dim thee: had been, oil the part during his reign, and duo the seine commence from the demise of his late et icieety. ( Hear, hear.) of the Adieornley or View:aline. Oepartmeet, &e. any appropriation of money voted for the petillic scrence to other releases than those of the Mr. HUM E said, whatever was likely to contribute to the comfort of public service ? With the. frankness whici. was attrihuted to him, he his Majesty, he was hoot ready to grant ; hut en principle he must unhesitatingly answered, that he wee decidedly of ...Onion, even after object to.. larger went than was necessary. If any sovereigh, ever had the further inquiries, of which he hint! chic lometio tent there hail been a right to be I reatcil liber a lly by his people, his present Majesty had no epplicationnnointhe part of die departments lomat, of the public that claim. (Hear, bees, Ire r .) He was willing to yield even his money to purposes other than .he public service; but the inquiry now Own opinion, but after die deliberate conclusion the Committee had made went one step farther. Ile was also toh al whether he entertained conic to. he die tiot think the noble lord should ask more than they the opinion, after investigation and reflection, time the plink money had hod decided nes necessary. The sum of 110,0001. for the privy purse been in ire...pony opplicel It To eliat question he as unhesiuttingly answered, ' aril the Queen he did not think more than was necessary for their Ma " Yes," is helmet to the previous enquiry replied "Ne." The public nio- hones. The next branch of expense consisted of salaries to officers, ncy was improperly:TOW by thane departments, inasmuch as they had me! evaluate; it by 11,0001. as was proposed, took nothing from the me net tof his Majesty. 'rite C t• MMit I CC re d uce d th e sa l ar y o f th e osectionesl elle expenditure of umney. voted tor one purpose,tonte direct. eel to someotherobjecte, sometimattietevet. named in the estimates. That Lead ( hon.. glair) from 3,085 to 2,0001. In other paits of the world was apptopriating the public money is a meter never contemplated by th e - e high eflie n. s e ldome veeeived salaria, atel certainly it could be no the parliement ; and therefore he had taken the liberty of calling it a coaidwatina to le of Devonshire what atalaty was annexed to the misapplication of the public money. His charge was not, and had not take. The r, leer of etc how was Kilned from 3.3001. to 2,5001. The been, that of " malvereation " but s. micapplication."—(Hearn hie • committee t. ight think smite, reductions trifling, but it was a reduction of was iodic prepared to admit duo it had resulted from error of judgment, I twenty per tet.t. on Kaiaks, anti that was a principle he wished to aid from following what was termed the ancient practices in such de. • establish. EThe salaries of iteinel servants umounted to 57,0001. the particulas of which th e C e mi l ita te had not in qu i re d i n to, pertinent' ; but the misapplications had been so extensive, and the ten , dopey of them so injurious to the public interest', that lie had felt It to thongim he thought a similar reduction should be made in their be his duty to loing them before the house. As to whether he criteria. There was 8,000 paid in sulaies, for which no duty was believed it ill be poseible that the honottrahle member who had pct 1 l'elfermcd ; and 13,0001. fin superunintatioew and both these sums the question could hue sanctioned the improper use of the public 1 w, uld fall hue tile Crown. s 9 m m had called a n the house to ap money, the best answer to such enquiry was, that herd he Owl i ooite a Committee to decide what militia were to be paid to &m -any such belief, lie could not be first Lord of the Admiralty while , *7lver. amid raid they would reguLte the salaties of the late the hotionothle baronet (Sir B. Martin) was Comptroller of the nor Pli'eera mcerelitony. (Hear, hear.) Ile holed the house would Nuvy.—(older.) ,m : aoree to the present) topositioa, for if it del. he aperehend- Sir B. MARTIN said. this answer quite s-tisfial him as fitr as re. iel ti,i:i nth:a III: 011.11111/Zsee intele their report, it would be said gaoled the person:3 chart:eta of himself, and of those with whom he I thF '"vi‘" % r.as trifling, a n d it would he refused. (Hear, hear.)— , had acted ; hut .ts to mother part of the mower, charging m o app o ehe I The lute elittistry luel refet.al a Committee, and on that they tell. don, he win pupated to show that f ie wile quite itimossible that the I 1 h ' ! • : ' S ` h '•"' Qrtt ' ll the preont Governioeto rose on their fall, eshmihes should be phihhhh t . iiicru isz hum huh, had bthhoehovoe g i cad rained the Committee, but 401, they refuse to conform to the re:comma:elation of die Committee. The hem, includieg, trades bk to stem Lite exact sumo: Mae might be teamed for t h e several :mica : of the navy, Or the wivices on which the requisite sueis blight be ex- ; ;men's hull's had tint been inquired into by the Coutnittee, and peeled. The Admir a lty Bonn! heel only pursued the custom which :he should not have censented tn it without ittquirieg, but fir the cif had b. en meal upon. lie night say fur centuries. ; cum:dances in which the country was i laced;by the inemitoble Mien it was receiving from his Majesty. (Hear.) Tee charge cf 10 Os 01. for Sit J. GRAILi NI observed that in this etaoment there was one very materiel einholen. If seas ii decided Ite: (mil in the charge that • secret service he could not contorelkod, and he though( it nue hi to be the practice cm the ehttaimente was ma that which had continued for, abollehed• I he 13.0001. disposed of by his Majesty's Almon, r (the centuries; hue had continual only Ante 1798. At tha t pa i i .d there; Arcilbi: h. p 0: Yolk), his Maj.! ty km ve to more of then he did, and :he thought it s ugh. to be dimoutuantl, but should no: oppose it. The was chores, end a new fond of the Appropriation Act iv:reduced He admitted the peculiar clean:leer of the navel service. which rendered it pcioione were grunted by ministers. am! tinny of them appear! d Woos: impossible, at all time*, en team the offences for which limey would i t, oueuelieuoble; rued ate thought teey sett uhl be renewed item the civil be required ;lat he deemed it due. to the Con mons of Enhlet d that ; "ut• Neither his hon. friend (her H. Pannell) nor himself, sgrecti in if there were charges libido lied me been tateichnewo, ht. gnu ~ taken ; She Report of the Committee. All the peitsiotts in the late reige, to the amount of 75,0001. mere placed on th e Civil Ls:, !h e reby waking his am servicee white heal imt been reqeired, to statethose Las homed of keeping them buck or wholly out of eight. 'Abut colleen however, Majesty's expense eppeer so nt, eh greater than it really watt. He staold submit a motion that those ' K esl e r. h e removed from the Civil had been portend, and to e very couskertible (sten., duritte the Imo ; mien he would expect Mee no pan of time: pensions el I mid be four or five yearn Hu heel before stated many instances se h'ele money , List ' taken for iweticular services had not been ex ended out those service', ear , paid till ministers were prepered to state [or what public services they only pardully ;other instances whets susall sums had been taken for I sere greeted. They could only be greeted f o r lite kin g ' s , lie, and were works eind la rge stints expended without the sanction of Perliamem, and l ull lap eed. In the last ten vests 1,939,0001. was pant in penal itx ; had they been submittal to the House, be was persuaded they WOIL:lil out be Aeolic., u here large mein had been extended end extensive weeks montoted without the same heeling ever been mentiencel to the Per- . granted. nut the money would be saved to the (melte. Did the noble I lord know that all rte slanted by taxing the steam n e vigation of the liement at ell. Since be had mentioued divine particulars, other sinti country wet! 75,0001. cutely one halide: pension list. (Hear. hear.) It pear hots heel crone to iris knot ledge. (Hear, hoar, hear.) Thus, a! will had been letilt at De:Afoul-yard in 1026 and 1827, costing : was e queolion of great importance, if relief was to be given to the emu, ay. and it :tether the country was to he relieved or not his Ma -76,0u01. while the sum coed fir. it a;... only 8,0001. Again. these , should be relieved drain the imputation of having hie civil Ma e a horse-mill built in 1827. at Cheek:no the Cost IS which was :1e! .1 .t . 61,0901. hut the vote fen it was only 30,0601. (Hear. hear.) But i:e , list 50 much largerj than sees applied to his use.--(Hear, hear.) He wished the Ova lot to Le voted by acclamation, and is ;nal nut male Ids former statements as maters Cl inculpation spins. ; particular johirithah mar did he „ o ,„ . g eert to ,i,e„, adversely; o ut I tee Nohle the to take the vote recommended by the Committee. He p a should ileciact the peeeieno to the commit of 75.0001. and the 12,0001. us matters of mow iejoriotte tendency. as regarded the piddle 'merest, saving ream =Nit (1 by il.i le nenthee hem the sum proposed, and and the due administration of public of ettel as et proceeding tbut ire would move that uir suns of 423,4101. be . erenteel to his Majesty. wits preps :el to show. ii the house Sere not lost to a proper 'ruse of Tee amendment heir g put tot in the ceuir. its even dignity. it must prevent the recurrence of. Sir JOSEPH YOH KR said, it upeeared as if his Hon. Friend, Sir G. CLERK oe.eneed the mode in woke the ereintetes had keen when he theught his Majesty a good boy, would give him a large mane out—custom hen been followed—and declared that such wes the peculiarity of .he navel service,it was impressible to name the sums that tli , ""Illee• .11 , 10 15 he il lie thou r in otherwise. would give him less. 1 he late Hotter - mere was won; out bee use they I roposed too Loge a might be : . cruelty wanted for particular purposes. As far as the late ' Civil List; the new Government cease in eats upped:led a Comuntiee, Board of Aeiettraity was considered, there was nothing so nincit re. all their proceed mgt quired as the fullest inveTh hon. oho made a report, and now tiro y mod 1:0I cure two moms about it. He rttigatinn into . e :Mould vote for the sum reeontiocutted by the Committee, not tor that bermet den went into statements contrasting the; estimates of different sears, &e. but the impatience of the he use was such, that he tout d it Inehosed by the Noble Lord. very difficult to proceed, and such as to render hint v e ry imperfectly Ott GEORGE WARR ENDER would be glad to see his Nlinesty's heard is the gallery. comtort fully provided lA' ; but would adopt the recommendation of the Committee in reducing the eularke ofthe t tficers of State. Lord ALTIIORP eventuall re se end submitted to the hen. Sir. P lIILPOTTS said, mhat it was a duty paramount on every one baronet, whether he would p uree tithe suejett. further on the pre to sup; irt his Majesty's Ministers au the principle of economy ; and sent occasion ? Another subject (the Civil Lim() had been fixed for lie, on that account, woe d support the system that the pensions award ties evening ;half-past ten o clock had relived, and the house mon t d to service's performed !11 , uld be separated from the civil list. rally enough' had become impatient to proceed to it, especially es the And as a reason, he Iseult] sta c that many wieowe, who had pen. nom baronet's explanation was what night be as advantageously nude on another evening. et she uwatilvd them for the services of their husbands, who had to so _led out rich, had alierwarels gm.; marcittl me of the wealthiest The Louse resumed, and the report of the navy estimates etas then a ordered to be presented on Monday. persons of our county. He tititught that the melons which were Arleen 1./Caitiff OF THE 110I3SE. granted as acts of charity. ought to ill' withdrawn so soon as the sub- Lord ALT HORP moved, that the house, at its rising, do adjourn 1. lel ceased to be art vivo et charity. (The speech of the mem ben was rendered scarcely intelli g ible, on account of a gentleman on the till Monthly. opposition side of the G allery, who, at short intervals, by inter- Mr. HU3IE suggested that they should tweet to morrow (Saturday), ections, ejaculated, in mock efforts of coughing, and cries of " off, off, as there were many M embers who had great numbers of petitions to 1 Prevent. shame, shame," and other expressions, among which he used the ale. Lord ALTHORP raid he trusted this motion would not be pre ne, he sse d . gent expression frequently of `• bah, bah." This was the only one that (Hear, hear.) After the fatigue that the Speaker had undergo seemed to catch the notice of the Speaker, who responded it by calling thought it was too much to require that the house should meet on Sa- out order at the Bar, on account of the interruptions of the gentleman nudity. who lay reclined on the Bench, amid the laughter that he excited, added to which tee apparent 11:6C1.11et rion of the Speaker of die real state of Mr. HUME said, as such was the feeling of the house, he would not press his motion. (Cheers.) the ease, little was heard ofa long speech front the Member who was CIVIL LIST. speaking) We understood him to couclude with moving, that instead The order of the day being read for the house going into a come of a pension list being attached to the civil list, that a eon) of 10,0001. nitro on the Civil List, should be added to his Majesty's private puree, for the purpose ten e sae Sir THOMAS FREEMANTLE said, he thought the house cising his private bounty.