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F - ADJOURNED INQUEST ON R. HONEY. MUTH DAY, AUGUST 29. Soon after two o'clock, the Coroner and most of the Jury were in attendance. Mr. Adolphus was prevented from attending, by business of importance, for which he bad been previously retained in the coun try. Mr. Waithman was also absent. As soon as the names of the Jurors bad been called over, the Constable informed them that the Corporal' and the trumpeter (who had been summoned on a former day) had arrived. • Corporal Haywood was then called in, sworn, and examined. —My name is John Haywood. lam a Corporal in troop letter C, of the Life Guards. COSIONER.—Do you know anything of the death of Richard Honey ?—No farther than that I was out on the party that day. CORONER.—WeII, state what you do know.—l was on that day stationed at Cumberland-gate. There were ten privates, two Corporals, one Officer, and a trum peter, in our party, When we came to Cumberland gate, we were divided into two divisions of sixes— one six was stationed at the right band side of the gate, and the other at the left. The whole were on the outside first—all in Oxford -road at the first coming up. After we were stationed and divided into two divisions, we were ordered to cloak. The next thing that occurred when we came to cloak, was, that Lieutenant Gore, who commanded the party, had no cloak. I rode out of the ranks, and asked Lieutenant Gore if he would accept of my cloak? The next thing that occurred to that was, that. when Lieutenant Gore lilted up his shavraque, he said, his servant bad sent him out without cloak or pistols. We then sat a little in the street, and walked our horses backwards and forwards. The thing that occurred next to that, was, there came forward a large crowd of people, and shut the gates. They shut the gates, and we opened them again, and put a sentinel on each side of the gate on the inside of the Park. Next came a larger crowd still, and shut the gates and forced the two sentries. We opened the gates again by force, and posted two more sentries. At that time we were saluted with a shower of brickbats and stones from the mob. 1 cannot tell the exact time this occurred. It was about dinner time; some time between twelve and two.— The next thing was, that I was bit on the temple with a brickbat, and I was deaf and blind for two or three minutes. When I came to myself after being hit with the brickbat, I saw a great number of people blocking up the Edgeware-road. The next thing was, that by the assistance of my comrades and myself, and the Police, we were to take away two waggons and some posts, and some iron grating that were across the end of the road. This was all I saw, ex cept being hammered with brickbats and stones. By the Foreman.—Were there any horses to the waggons ?—No, Sir. By a Juror.—The party had been ordered to clear the people, but I seeing many persons busy in block ing up the Edgeware-road, I and some of my com rades came up to remove them. Juror.—Was this before the corpse came through the gate ?—I was hit then ; and after I recovered, seeing the people blocking up the Edgeware-road, I went there. The people not obeying the word, we were obliged w hit them with the fiats of our swords. Juror.—Was the salute of stones you speak of be fore you were ordered to disperse the people ?—There seemed to be a confederacy between the people who shut the gates and those who were at the corner of Park-lane. The word " seemed" was objected to, but the Co. IRONER said that something of that kind had been al read yreceived. The witness could only judge of what he saw. Same Juror (Mr. Brown).—l was asking whether before the first time the gate was shut any stones were tin own ?—There were some few thrown, but none of any consequence. By the same Juror.—At the time we were saluted with the stones we were dispersing the people. Another Juror (Mr. Spicei).—l would wish to re mind Corporal Hay wood, that he is not bound to say anything to criminate himself. Another Juror.—lle is big enough to take care of himself. Mr. Spicer.—My object was to protect the wit ness—that's all. Another Juror.—lt is not necessary that we should have two Coroners. Examined by the CORONER.—When the people were taking hold of the gates, we asked , were t he y the gate-keepers? and they answered us with all manner of ill language. We then were obliged to draw our swords and to use force. Coaossa.—What do you mean by force?—Why, to drive them away ; to compel them ; to strike them. There were at this time some stones thrown, but of no great consequence. When the gates were again closed, we again attempted to open them, and were received with a shower of stones from the walls and the lodge. I was struck at the second opening. I used the flat of the sword myself, and as many others as I saw use their swords did the same. The Proces sion bad not come up at this time. When I was hit I could not tell what occurred for some minutes after. One of the corporals was on duty close at the gate on the inside, and I was the corporal on the outside of the Park-gate. By a Juror.—Did you hear any firing ?—I heard it, but I did not see it. I did not see a man fall. I might have remained on my post about twenty mi nutes or half as hour after the corpse passed, but I was sore on my head, and rather on the study of something else, and could not well know what passed after. I was in the rear on the left when we marched off. I did not see the Officer and trumpeter in con versation as we marched along. I did not hear the mob cry, " There go the two butchers together."— There were all manner of things said as we went away from the gate. It is the duty of the trumpeter to be in the advance of a detachment, and of course to wait on the Officer when he calls on him. Whin the gates were closed the second time, there were a corporal and three men inside, and t he remainder of the men outside. Juror.—The reason I ask the question, is to know whether the horse of the other corporal might have bcen cut through the gate or not ? Witness.—l don't know whether he was cut with a sabre or not : but if the cut came through the gate, it could not have cut the horse in the side of the neck. By a Juror.--I cannot say whether any stones were thrown from the end of Cumberland-street: there were some from both sides, but there were more thrown from the end of Park-lane and the lodge than from the opposite side. The name of the trumpeter 'who was with the troop on the 14th was Bishop, ac cording to the best of my belief. The trumpeter who came here with me is not the man ; the trum peter who was there is about 16, or from that to 20 yeati of age, but I can't exactly say. I was so much confused after I got the hit, that I did not know well what passed. I was not confused or in a fright be fore I was struck ; but I can't say positively who was the trumpeter to the best of my belief it was Bishop. I can't tell when the detachment left the barracks, and when they were joined by others, at a later period. By Mr. Caife.—The name of the trumpeter on duty at Cumberland-gate is, I believe, Bishop. There were ten men and two corporals on duty there, but I cannot state their names. I am in Captain MiNeill's company. I cannot tell the names of the men whci were on duty. The orderly corporal is acquainted with them. There are eight corporals to a troop, and the orderly corporal holds his situation for a week. Corporal Colson was the orderly corporal on the 14th of August. Corporal Forge went to the barra‘ks before me, his horse being wounded. By the Foreman.—Lieutenant Gore ordered us to clear the people from the gate when it was shut the first time. We call them Lieutenants, but the pro per title is Sub-Lieutenant. By the CORONZR.—We were not ordered to use violence, but we were obligated to resort to it, be cause the people would not go away when we spoke to them. They abused us, and set us at defiance. By Mr. Blakie.—lt. was impossible that Lieute nant Gore could have seen his cloak without lifting up his shavraque, which covers the end of the saddle. By the Foreman.—There was no Magistrate, that I know of, present, when Lieutenant Gore ordered us , to clear the people away. I cannot say whether there was or not, for I do not know the persons of any of the Magistrates. By Mr. HANSON. —lt was impossible to clear the gates without using our swords as I 'have described,• for the people would not take advice, or proceed quietly. The people would not obey us, and take the orders we gave them to leave the gates. I was two or three minutes stunned by the blow of the stone. When I recovered, I saw the people blocking up the Edgeware-road, and it was not until I got to the Edgeware-road that I heard the report of firing. I am positive of that. By Mr. Gale.—l did not, to the best of my know ledge and belief, see any Gentleman in plain clothes speak to Lieutenant Gore. By Mr. Blakie.—Except the Captain who came up with the Procession, and two Officers who accom panied him, I saw no Officer at Cumberland-gate, except Lieutenant Gore. Captain Oakes and two other Officers were elsewhere. In answer to the Coaosten.—There is a trumpeter in waiting from the Regiment. He attends in conse quence of a summons. The Coaosren.—l have asked the question, be cause I have just received a letter from Captain Lygon, who states that he has directed corporal Hay- 1 wood, and trumpeter Farman to attend, in conse quence of the summonses issued yesterday. He fur ther observes, that the Officer; who were summoned are not at present in town, but that the summonses would be forwarded to them, and they would attend as speedily as possible. Mr. Haszeotc.—Those Gentlemen are out of town at present. The summonses are forwarded to them, and they will attend at the next adjournment. The Foreman.— That is very handsome ; but the witnesses in attendance are pressing to be dismissed. Mr. HANSON.--I will undertake to say that all the Gentlemen will be here, if you adjourn to Friday. The Foreman.—There are several persons now in waiting who ought to be attended to. The CORONER.—WeII, they can be accommodated by calling them in now. I have just received a let ter from a witness who says—" I am sorry to have caused you so much trouble respecting the death of Honey. I was not at home at the time, or I should have answered your summons before. I know nothing of the death of Honey. If I did, I would have been one of the first to come forward.—J. Stanley, St. John-street." The Foreman.On such a principle as that, every body may make a statement of the same kind. The Foreman.—l understand that person is in waiting. As he knows nothing of the business. you can very soon dispatch him. Richard Fannon was then called in. Mr. Brown suggested that there was no necessity to swear this individual, as it was in evidence that he was not the trumpeter who was, on the 14th, at Cum berland-gate. It was however, after some conversation, deemed proper to administer the usual oath to him. By Mr. Gale.—Do you know the name of the trumpeter who was at Cumberland-gate on the 14th? Ido not. I have been summoned herein mistake. Do you not know the name of the trumpeter?—l, , do not. r did not see the party leave the Barracks. Did you see them return ?—No, I did not. The CORONER.—He knows nothing about it. Mr. Caife.—He does not wish to know anything about it. The CORONER.—We have no right to say that. Mr. Gale.—Do you know the nature of an oath? —1 do. On your oath, then, do you know the trumpeter who was on duty on the 14th at Cumberland-gate? I did not see him go out. What is the name of the youngest trumpeter in the regiment ?—Frederick Saloman is the name of the youngest trumpeter. By the Foreman.—What is his age ?—I think he is about my own age. What is that ?—Four and thirty. Mr. Brown.—The witness may imagine that the question refers to the trumpeter who has most re• cently been attached to the regiment; we want to know the name of the youngest man employed as trumpeter. Witness.—l believe John Edwards is the youngest man employed as trumpeter. I understood the for mer question to refer to the time the individual was in the regiment in the capacity of trumpeter. Is there a trumpeter of the name of Bishop in the regiment ?—No. 'What is the age of Edwards ?—Twenty or 22. The Foreman.—Recollect, is there a trumpeter of th 4 name of Bishop in the regiment ?—No, there is not. I will give you, if you please, the names of all the trumpeters. Mr. HANSON.—Gentlemen will recollect, that Corporal Haywood could not positively speak to the name of Bishop. Witness.—There is a boy of the name of Bishop, who sometimes blows a trumpet, but he does not go Out with a detachment. Mr. HANSON.—You can, Gentlemen, by that an swer, reconcile the evidence given by this witness with that which you have heard from Corporal Haywood. By the CORONER.—Let us go on regularly; let the witness state his name. Witness.—My name is Richard Farman, of Cap tain Gardiner's troop, letter " H." There is a per son of the name of Bishop who is learning to blow the trumpet ; but, to my knowledge, he does not go out with a detachment. By Mr. Gale.—Bishop was not at the battle of Waterloo. He is not more than eighteen years of age now. His father is a Quarter-master. Bishop was never employed, as far as I know, at the bar racks, in the capacity of a trumpeter. The reason of my not knowing is, that I am a saddler by trade, and have been away from duty some time. There are no corporal-majors now. Each corporal acts as orderly, in rotation, for a week. Ido not know the name of the orderly corporal who acted on. the 14th. The name of Mr. Hanley was next called, but the Jury were informed that he was not in attendance, as he did not conceive his presence to be necessary. Pyall, the summoning Officer, stated, that a Mr. Poland, in answer to the Coroner's summons, had observed, that his servant had been examined at the other Inquest, and he did not believe that his (Mr. Poland's) attendance was material, as he knew no thing of Honey's death. Robert Aldin.—l live at 13, Hart-street, Gro,:venor square. lam by trade a wood-turner. lam one of the persons who assisted in picking up Richard Honey. 'lle was standing in front of me. I was on the kith stone when the man fell ; he rebounded from the road in a curious way.. He reeled and fell with his feet towards my heels. I said "You're drunk enough," or something of that kind. I did not think he was, shot, until I saw the wound. Ile was carried after— wards to Mr. Lightfoot's. A friend assisted to pick him up ; and his shirt collar, which touched Honey's wound, was covered with blood. We were then con vinced that the man was wounded. By Jurors.—l heard shots fired. Ido not know who shot the deceased. I thought the soldiers were firing ball-cartridge, and, when the man fell, I was saying that I did not think it safe to stop. Ido not know whether a private or an Officer fired the shot. I saw an Officer riding down Park-lane. I did not observe him doing anything particular. I saw no reason for firing at the time. The people were not troublesome. By Mr. Spicer.—l did not notice the man more than I would any person who happened to be in front of me. At the time the firing took place, I sho'ild suppose the body of soldiers were on the other side of Cumberland-gate, but there were a few placed in Oxford-street. By Mr. Blakie.—At the time the firing began, and I was moving away, I saw an Officer proceeding to- I wards Park-lane, but I did not see him fire. \Then the man was shot, there were no stones flinging from Cumberland-street. I did not hear a murmur of discontent. There were females standing near the spot. I don't know how many. There were several. One I observed standing near the railing at the time I turned round. By the Foreman.—l did not hear the deceased, or any other person, insult or menace the soldiers. I should not have been intimidated if I had not heard several of the soldiers, as I came through the Park, call out " Charge! charge!" which led me to think they would fire ball-cartridge. Therefore it was that I and my friend hurried away. When the soldiers cried " Charge ! charge 1" I was on the foot-path, which is divided from the road by a slight railing. 1 immediarly got through the small gate, and ran over towards Cumberland-street. I could not see the Park gates shut, because the soldiers were going through. When I first got up to Cumberland-gate there were a great many people there. I saw stones and bricks thrown when I was in the Park ; but I was then making the best of my way through it.— This was before I came out of the Park, and saw the man shot. I did not see many thrown. It was after the soldiers had said " Charge!" Something of this sort was delivered to them as they came galloping up. They did not behave quite so pleasantly as sol diers might be expected to do ;'and some words had passed between them and the people. Some stones were thrown, I believe, just as they rode up to the gate. The name of my friend is Mr. Ritchie, a dyer, in Duke-street. We came together to the place where we were standing, and I collared him, asking him to come away. The Colmar:R.—Then he knows no more about the matter than you do. A Juror.—How came you to know that, Mr. Coroner? Pray let us arrive at the information in a regular way. Another Juror.—Surely two pair of eyes are better than one. The CortoNza.—There can be no use in summon ing him ; he knows no more than the witness. A Juror.—l think he ought to be summoned. This suggestion being agreed to, a summons was made out for Mr. Ritchie. The witness's evidence was then read over to him, and he withdrew. William King, of No. 18, Great Wild-street, Lin coln's Inn- fi eld - s.—l am a house-painter. I know something of the death of Richard Honey. I joined the Procession first in Piccadilly. I went with it as far as Park-lane, and I saw a stoppage there. They appeared to wish to take the Funeral Procession up Park-lane; but both that and the next turning were stopped. I understood that the Procession passed from Piccadilly through Hyde Park ; that it was turned down to go that route. I went by Park lane, and came up towards this place, whereby I saw a part of the Funeral Procession coming through the Park, with a party of Life Guards riding at the head of it. The Life Guards galloped towards Cum berlanthgate. There was a number of stones lying in Nrk-lane, and these were thrown with great ra pidity towards the Lice Guards; this was opposite firosvenor-gate, and from thence up to Ciimfi t s, land-gate. The stones seemed to be flying ::bow, They. were thrown by the mob. I cannot otherari‘e say by whom. They were thrown by some hundreds, not by two or three persons only. When I got to th e end of Park-lane, I saw two Officers belonging to the Life Guards, who had every appearance of wishin g Ito join their Regiment. The Regiment was then the end of Park-lane., The Officers were co n e: through Cumberland gate, apparently in order to join their Regiment. Stones were thrown in great the o numbers ffie Officers a r t the heads of these ts:•o O(Scers. n ;te ing round to a a n v d oi ud•eiit t he down stones. P a r k i l ‘ a v n e e n . t i to yt o e t n , ' sidef ti:e lane, where I saw stones still continuing to he throv. l towards the Life Guards at the gate. I %sent o n t s, opposite side of Oxford-street, jesty's Funeral was coming round by the corner ef t h e Edgeware-road . (by opposite, I meen the side open . site Cumberland-gate). I went to tit i ie r end Cumberland-street, which is not exactly opposite the place where I was before. I stood close to :a Iran whom I afterwards understood to be Richard Honey. i fl s ie a‘ p v eo n p y le nt l i i n a g d G ee c a n s t e l d em to an tl , s u ro .h w om sto l ne a s i.te a r t r e :a .i r s tds t, l: derstood to be an Officer—(A witness who had hem summoned, here sent in a letter to the Foreman, be g s ging to know whether, as he knew nothine of iticliksl Honey's death, it was necessary for him to attes.n. • —The Officer's horse's head was towards Cumber. land-gate. I mean the horse that the Gentleman speak of was on. Then the Officer, quite wantonly (as I thought), for to stories were flying at the time, turned his 114. e towards the- people, and presented his pistol over his bt idle arm. When I saw the pis tol presented, I changed my position one pace, and the deceased fell. The Foreman.—Did he take a deliberate aim? Witness.—He took an aim, I believe I may sav for about a second. I was so close to the man, that I do not know whether the con eats of the p i stsl were meant for me or the deceased. The Foreman.—Did you see the dash of the ofstol as well as the presenting of it? Witness.—l was one of the foremost among the people who were about where the man fell, and I , had every opportunity both of seeing the pistol and ". of recognizing the man's features. I did see the flash. After lie had discharged the pistol, be rode imme diately amongst the s ldiers. Ile was a very young man, and wore no cloak or mantle. On seeing Richard Honey fall I retreated, and went a little wav down Oxford-street; but on finding the firing had ceased, I came up again. I saw the same Officer t arranged in Cumberland-street. He was inside the trumpeter in the rank. 1 saw him conversing with the trumpeter and a private of the Life Guards, who WAS next to him in the inside, with great familiarity, gnd occasionally laughing. The Coaneen.—Did you hear what they said? Witness.—\o, I did not. The CORONER.—There is no harm in an Officer's laughing with his men that I know of. The Foreman.—Certainly not, if it be after he has shot a man ; of course there cannot be any harm. The witness.—l have since had :et opportunity of seeing the same Officer at the Horse Guards. Last Sunday week I saw him relieved by the OxfOrd Blues. I know nothing further than this. I have not seen ' him since that time. The Foreman.—You do not know his name? The Witness.—l do not. I know his person, and think I should be able to recognize him anywhere:l have no doubt of it. • By Mr. Haesost.—When you saw this Gentleman last Sunday week, what time of the day was it? Witness.—Eleven o'clock. By a Juror.—l cannot say whether he was one of the two Officers whom I saw stones thrown at. Ido not know that 1 should be able to know those two Officers again. By another Juror.—l have been in the Navy, and have lost a limb in that service. • I have a pension of £l6 a-year, in consequence of that loss. 1 knew that an Inquest was sitting on the body of Richard Honey. I have been summoned here. Mr. Blakie.—Will you state the reason why yoa did not come forward voluntarily ? Witness.—Because I have a pension of £l6 a-year, and I did not know whether that might not be taken from me, if 1 came forward voluntarily. By Mr. Blakie.—Neither I nor the deceased, nor any person on the spot, was throwing stones at the time. I did not know whether the shot was meant for me or the deceased. I was neither hooting, not in any other way irritating the soldiers. I don't re collect how many men were with the Officer wheal saw him in Cumberland-street. I don't know whether the trumpeter is young or old—my attention Wu solely directed to the Officer ; and him I should cer tainly know if he be not disguised. I was about 3s) yards from the Officer at the time. I stood next to Honey ; and the Officer might be about such a dis tance from me. The Officer was near Cumberland, gate, and the deceased nearly at the corner of Cum berland-street. I am convinced that the pistol I saw fired by the Officer killed Iloney. There was no firing till that occurred. That was the first pistol fired. By Mr. Spicer.The position, as near as I Call* collect, of the deceased when he was shot, was tos wards the Officer who shot him. As near as lus guess, it was so. The position of the deceased was on the left hand side of the Officer who fired the eis• tot, as we looked at him. The Oiiicer was not exactly cpposite to us ; he was a little lower done towards this way.—(Here a plan of Cumberland-gate andite. vicinity was handed to the witness ; who cxeippl beg his evidence by pointing out the relative situations of the officer, the witness, and the deceased). Ilooßp o By Mr. . a H r Av,NiSieOn lost my arm. i Nwas on board t as the gagement with the Hornet sloop (Am erican), Irish Channel. I was rated of the main-top. w i P n e a Peaces } We oc! .n e sloop A Juror submitted that this sort of examinatioa could have nothing to do with the subject before them Mr. HANsoN.—I am trying his character, Sit. Mr. Spicer.—lt is a perfectly fair questio:l. os Some discussion took place across th e table, Uf the propriety of the question; an objection w as tak e bat finally it was overruled. The Foreman.—lf these questions are to be asks allosedu s r by Mr. Hanson, we must have a lat itude Mr. Coroner. you Lay " Mr. Foreman. These a re no p at tos The CORON am really quite surpris ed to htenr