Star. — London, England, 1822-06-08 00:00:00

~. . - 0 • C • • 41 - -....- CITY off+ DON TAVERN, Jona 7, i.e,. AT a MEETING of tW COMMITTEE for the GENERAL susscairmw for sone lINDIEDL ATE ASSISTANCE in the • =TERME TEMPORARY DISTRESS-of the South WeetWfrProvioces of IRELAND; + The amount of 210 Itemiteinets in Mosey to Ireland, from , the Bth of way to the 7th of Jane Inclusive, is £3114575, treas. - meted to Central or Local Commitlees , or Other Millet Pro. per Pawns. Amount of Funds placed and to be placed with the several Protestant and Catholic Mishaps of the Dioceses in ethidt the Extreme Distress prevails, £4lOO. The Committee have wide purchases In Scotland, the River Thames, and Western Ports of Ragland, of more than Two Thousand Tons of good Potatoes, intended for Seed; and have dispatched and are dispatching them to the several Ports and Harbours of Ireland, from Sligo all mead to shaven. With equal pain and regret, the Committee feel obliged to certify to the general community of Greet Britain, that they have found the poverty and distress of Ireland, and the great deficiency of the accustomed food 0 Potatoes of the Southern and Westtrn Provinces, to be very extended and general, and' the suffering of the people still fearfully increasing. They anxiously hope that the assistance afforded by the Government, by the Proprietors, or Residents in those Districts, who have property or meow and by the humane and liberal sympathy of England, has tended, in some degree, to mitigate this great distress and most severe want; but they feel themselves, by their position, obliged publicly to declare, that the evidence they have of its existence, through nearly one-third of Ireland, containing a population of nearly two millions. a large propor tion of which is inihe most destitute condition, is suck as to render it indispensable for them to continue to call on_the gene rous sympathy of Englishmen of all ranks and classes, to contri bute to the mitigation of the extreme distress and misery in Ireland, to which the most general and liberal beneficence can not be wholly efficient, from this time to the middle of August next, however nobly and usefully it be suited to assist in the general efforts for relief. The deficiency of the crop of potatoes of the last season. throughout the Southern and Western Provinces of Ireland, and the discovery made, too late, by the peasantry,. that of that part of their crop saved and stored, a large proportion had perished in the pits, through the unsoundness of the growth, have together been a principal cause of the present sudden and lamentable scarcity of the accustomed food of the poorer classes of a nu merous population. The Committee have every reason to rely on the spontaneous liberality and sympathy of the inhabitants of Great Britain, to afford their generous aid, in the present calamity of the hour, in a manner to avert the dang er of more extended suffring and want. JOHN SMITH, Chairman. Amount of Subscriptions already advertised £72,475 12s. Id. Subscriptions received I From llammersley and Co. from the University, Oxford—per Fletcher, County, and Town of P arsons, and Co. £212 9 Carnbridge,and trans- Jas. Thompson, Esq. 2 2 mimed by :he Cam- From Ihummond and Co. bridge Committee: W. K.'s second Mitt 1 1 Front the University, Lord Brudenell 20 0 by the Vote of the From Bouverie and Antrobus. Senate 200 0 Mr. John Martyr 2 2 From Individual Sub- From Snow and Paul. scribers in the Uni- I Jere. Dyson. Esq. 20 0 verity, Couuty, and From Child and Co. Town 915 18 Y. Z. 3 5 SzausteadAbbotts, addi- Mrs. Sheppard, Am. Urinal sub. per lies% port 50 0 Thomas Field 3 2 . From Praed and Co. S.:cond Dragoons—The Northampton, first pay- Officers, Non-Coln- ment 100 0 missioned Officers, From Barclay and Co. Trumpeters, and Pri- William Walcot, Esq. vales 371.- 176.4 d. Oundk 5 0 Eghtuu, per the Rev. T. From Glyn am! Co. Jeans, D.D. 361.111.81 11. Monteith, lia' q. Howard,Jewel,and Gib. DI. P. 50 0 sun. Stratford, per W. From Martin, Stone, and Co. Holt and Co. 50 0 Mis s Amelia Harding 2 2 Brownlow-street, 110 - From Bosanquet and Co. born, Inhabitants, in George Pring, Esq. 3 3 sums not exceeding Front Smith, Payne, and Co. ss. each. per C. T. B. 10 0 Scott, Esq. 33 I Exmouth, per Curries Mr. G. Belzoni.—The and Co. 971. 18s. 9d. amount paid fur the Front Jones, Loyd, and Co. Ticket of Admission Leek Church (Staf. improperly stopped ford) 571. es. ad. at the door of the From Pule and Co. Opera House, on the W. Morgan, Esq. 30th of Nay, and Graigworth House 2 2 returned to hint by Rev. C. A. Williams 1 1 the party front whom The Misses Williams, the same was pur- Sangilby Castle 1 1 chased 10 10 From Dorrien and Co. Rocbester.-The Corpo- The Hon. and Rev. 1). portion and Inhabit. Rice, Oddington 5 0 ants, perE.Manehrk. Front Vetting and Co. Esq. Mayor 1654 its. Cod. S. F. 5 0 Great Burstead, in. D. M. 2 2 eluding £l. c is. 6d. Lloyd's. from three Benefit R. 5 5 Clubs 20 0 G. A. Davis, Esq. 10 10 Small Subscriptions 510 Front Stephenson, Remington, From Chambers and Son. and Co. C. S. second sub. 2 0 Salisbury, midi)? Sub. J. Calcraft, Esq. M.P. 10 0 scriptioos 31.75. ld. The Committee will meet at the City of London Tavern daily, 4st Eleven for Twelve. Subscriptions are received at the Committee Room, between the Hours of Twelve and Four; by Smith, Payne, and Smiths; and by all the Bankers in London and Westminster, no other persons being authorised by the Committee to receive them. By Order of the Committee, M ICH. W. TROY, Hon. Sec. • • • thee, he should feel deeply midis& It ea 1611 182 calf a least of duty, but indithidin wideliwasiniike OM& k ibteeinari a• oilc l oth a NUL 111.1. ND. tel net sise to defeat is the Petides, which be regarded as ene width It was way Mr , for disk Lordships to receive. Still less did be =as to wedges, the diseossioo on the assodire=which the Pieties the di rected; for, though disk s s should not have the bees& of the Noble Duke's esethienee, he was conthwed diet, , eiliedior that NoW Doke sheillibepossent at de thee, sheuldseen himself ends ParlitheentOry tn kb 'efts W "We ea the sobjeet we be Dal ka nbiththi the mender in which die Dais daseelbed die 111111, as one for greeting peculiar fainters to Catholic Petro is Aides of the Ceistiteden. Let the Noble Lord seed the 818 led he would esseed it was not one to grant Loans in elided= et the Coestismis, but one to restore the seeks' Cossetted= of the unwary end of that House. In saying diet he meant to express : e e rie es to the propriety of pasties the re; bet he sit miler so etroneons a to be seethe* to the world by en individual of ran d : lc :or irancetts whom opinion must certainly be looked to by the uninformed on the subject. olke Bill on the table must rest on its own merits. Some doubted whether the period were come for passing such a mason, others objected to the measure altogether, but nothing but the grossest ignorance could maintain that if the Bin did pass, it would not render the Constitution more analogous to what it was In lamer times. He also assured the Noble Duke that he knew some thing of the public opinion in that part of the country from which the Petition had come, and that it was by no means so general against the Bill as the Noble Duke supposed. And, if Mach exasperation had prevailed on the subject, it would have still more become the Noble Duke to be correct in what he stated, and not to give a description which was totally inapplica ble to the measure.—The Petition having then been received, ' and bid on the table, The Duke of NEWCASTLE presented similar Petitions from the Borough of Newark-upon-Trsmt, the Towns of East Redford and Tuckford, the Parish of Sutton and Ashley, and from the Inhabitants of Nottingham. The last had been signed in two days by 1825 individuals.—Read and laid on the table. COMPLAINT AGAINST THE BISHOP or PETERBOROUGH. ' Lord DACRE said, he held in his hand a Petition which he dieuld present to the House with great reluctance, because it bare witlesome severity against a high character in that House, who hid been distinguished for his piety and learning. It was 1 the Petition of the ltev. Thomas Saddleworth Grimshaw, who complained of the oppressive and illegal conduct of a Right Rev. Prelate, who would not allow the Petitioner to officiate in his diocese, because heliad not satisfactorily answered a number of questions on theological points. The Rev. Prelate had first put 87 questions; and afterwards added 36 more to them. The Noble Lord contended that a Prelate had no right to examine Clergymen in the manner he had thought ht to do; there was no law that could authorise him to do so • fOr if a Clergyman could ekplain his faith In Latin within the doctrines of the 59 Articles, he was then by law sufficiently qualified to perform his duties as a Minister of . the Church of England; for by these Articles, Bishop Burnet said, the doctrines of the Church were comprised within a proper compass, freed from the niceties of sehoolmen, and went to establish the peace of the C hurch.— Several m odern authorities had since confirmed these as the real doctrines of the Church. It was necessary in this question to consider the declaration of his Majesty, respecting the meaning of the Articles. which would serve as a confirmation of what he had stated. He contended that the Rev. Prelate was bound to examine according to the 39 Articles only; and that he had no' sight to put a great number of questions out of those Articlek, and which a person might be unable to answer. On a former occasion the Rev. Prelate had said that House was not a place for theological discussions; but he contended that this was not a theological question, but a question of personal right. Suppose every Clergyman, on his removal from one parish to another, was to be subject to such examinations as those, and deprived of, his rights if he did not comply with the terms imposed on him, would that House have no right to interfere? and if such a prat. lice were to prevail, would it not go to overturn the Church?— The Crown had a power of settling matters of this kind by call ing Convocations; and it was the duty of that House so address the Crown to correct the practice in question. Therefore he should, after this Petition was laid on the table, move an Ad dress to the Crown for the purpose. In anything that fell from him now, be meant no personal disrespect whatever towards the Rev. Prelate, for whom he entertained the highest respect. He should now move that the Petition do lie on the table. The Bishop of PE'f ERBOROUG II rose to reply to the, Noble Lord. The Petitioner had suppressed the chief part of this case. Every examinant had a right to use his own mode of examination. When he put the questions alluded to, his only object was to ascertain afterwards whether the answers to them corresponded with the principles contained in the Liturgy of the Church. It was a most delicate thing for temporal authorities to interfere with ecclesiastical authorities, as to their modes of examination ; and if such a thing was done, every Curate in the kingdom might send a Petition to their Lordships ' complaining of the modes of examination ; for every Bishop had his mode of examining. And these questions were not tests which Clergy men were bound to abide by, but were put as the means of ascertaining whether the opinions of Clergymen were conform able to the doctrines of the Church. This was precisely what he had done with regard to the present Petitioner. When the questions were sent to him, he sent a statement which filled ten folio pages, so full of equivocation as to be rather an insult to the Diocesan than an answer to the questions—they were mere evasions, which explained nothing. Therefore he could not judge of the sound doctrine of a man who would not let him know what his doctrines were. There were numerous opinions at pre sent going forth as to what Orthodoxy was, and it was necessary to asvatain what the real opinion of every Clergyman was; and it was the duty of the Bishop to judge for himself of every man's orthodox faith, which could only be done by examination. Uhe put questions, he had a right to expect intelligible answers. He never exercised in his examinations the severity imputed to him; nor did he reject men for not being able to answer his questions, nor in any case except where men seemed to hold doctrines con trary to the tenets of the Church. It was notorious that these questions had been repeatedly put iii his, and in other Dioceses. lie had not added 36 to 87 questions; he only substituted them for the 87. As to the 39 Articles, they were not the only standard by which the doctrines of the Church were to be maintained ; fur thtre were ether doctrines which must be adopted as a standard of faith. Ile warned them not to in terfere rashly with the Authorities of the Church, as the re. Haien of the country might be endangered if they listened to such Petitions as those. The only point at issue was, whether Bishops had or had not a right to examine in the Artieles ? His txamination was not a test, but merely an examination in the Articles, which it was his duty to do. It was not sufficient to make candidates look closely over the New Testament, but to find out what were the particular pointi of the Clergyman's faith ; and that could not be ascertained by a Clergyman merely subscribing to the 39 Articles; for, it was absolutely necessary that he should be examined in them. He never rejected any matt for a difference of mere points of doubtful explanation, but when men signified opinions directly hostile to the doctrines of the Church. In answer to the complaint of oppression preferred against him, he had now to state, that, during five years he had only rejected three individual" fur their improper doctrines. It was necessary to make a stand against those doctrines which prevailed in the reign of Charles the First ; for if they were to prevail now, the Bishops of the present day would experience the same fate they had experienced at that time. The Royal Declaration which the Petition now prayed to have enforced, was issued not against Bishops, but against Puritans ; and that Declaration, if now enforced, would militate against the Peti tioner. lie exercised his power of putting questions by virtue of the existing laws, and no Royal Declaration could abrogate those laws. Therefore he trusted their Lordships would not interfere in a manner subversive of those laws. The Petition was founded in sophistry and falsehood, and he was sure their Lordships would not listen to the prayer of it. He had no per sonal interest in this question : he had no object but that of preserving the Church of the country against mischievous doc trines, 'which went to degrade the Episcopal authority of the country—(Hear, bear). Lord HOLLAND declared that he never witnessed a more complete ignomutio elenehi than that which prevailed through the whole of the Reverend Prelate's speech, and maintained that he had exercised an unconstitutional abuse of his power, in adopting the course of examination he did. It was a mi serable equivocation to say the Act was no more than question and answer; and still more unjustifiable to say he was autho rised by Canons to put such questions,, for the Canons were not the law of the land, and the Learned and Reverend Prelate bad no right to assume the latitude of discretion which he contended for. The success of every clergyman in the Reverend Lord's Diocese, must depend on the answers given to his questions; and it was absurd to say the questions and answers were mere matters of course. The policy BOW pursued was to narrow the PARLIAMENTARY PROCEEDINGS. lIOUSE OF LORDS. JUNE 7. The Earl of Famous took the oaths and his seat. • Mr. TONILYPS. from the Bank, presented Returns of the quantity of Bullion issued by the Governor and Company to the Treasury from 1840 to the present time.—Laid on the table. 111 r. Istitu to. from the Custom-house, presented an Account o f the quantity of foreign Grain imported and warehoused in this country.—Laid on the table. Lord CLIFDEN presented Petitions from the Manufac turers and Retail Dealers in the Spirit 'Trade of the City of Waterford, Kilkenny, Carlow, and Callon, praying for protec tion against the practice of tacit Distillation. Laid on the table. 'The Doyle Divorce Bill was read a third time and passed. The Archbishop of YORK presented a Petition from the Archdeacon and Clergy of York, against the Catholic Peers' Bllh—Laid on the table. The Marquis of DOWNSHIRR moved for Returns of the expenses incurred by the Comntis.sioners for examining Public Records in Ireland since the yew i eo.— Ordered. The Marquis of LANSDOW N gave notice, that on Monday text he should move the second reading of the Bill for the more effective punishment of Manslau;hter. Mr. STUAST WORTLLY, and others, brought up from the Commons several Private Bills, which were read a first time. The Vagrant Laws Amendment Bill went through a Corn snittee, and the Report was ordered to be received on Mon day next. CATHOLIC PEERS. - - The Duke of NEWCASTLE held a Petition from the Inha- I bitants of the town and neighbourhood of Winnfield, in the County of Nottingham, against a Bill pending in their Lord ships House fur granting peculiar favours to Catholic Peers in vwladon of the Constitution. In the course of a few days that petition had been signed by 1250 persona. He trusted, there fore, that the eyes of the country were opened and he believed that the chief part of the empire viewed with terror the passing of such a Bill by one branch of the Legislature. In his part of the country he could say, that hcstility to the Bill was increasing, and would increase, which must be the case against a measure which he could, and the nation would soon call by no other name than that of odious. It was a Bill more insidious and more full of danger than any which had been passed since the times of Charles the Second He trusted that, in rejecting it, their Lordships would give a fresh proof of their wisdom. The discussion having unexpectedly been postponed, he feared it would not be in his power to attend when it should take place, as domestic circumstances might prevent hint. If this were the 1 0 1 q , 1 . 1 I I 'l , 1 11 ; . iiii , paerbogoon; ____ faiectlid been esausind and deemed In ether Dineen. If the prudes now conspialsed of was essfannable to law, it was a end grievance, sad get to be eland. A man who cinfornind to, and explebesd the 119 Aniciss, eeeardag to their plain tisening, and die domains of Scripture, *gist anne to be a Illthep r i ace ll Weld be s Dann, wileAellee, for ever ober, Ms undornlidi and gip" hist to leek up for pre. ;:k te imam i s die • ; len so its gads* a liming in tne Men* elf he nust be shutout teat ties same, indliment pinfainme. Meow he could not answer ill the 87 czelca le ir Um irir die Abby e in Weir 1 of Peeerberessi. nen itint siNiry pesos, were istereeted 'is dual** es*. olio excluded Clergyman—the Crown k alif addlia las innerested. He was convinced the Reverend Lord Ind far exeeellpf his legal authority ; at all events he had cur dled it in a nouner highly injurious to the peace of the Church; and, as the doctrines of that (tun* were a part of the law of the laud, it was the duty of that House to proem its peace, by preventing its basis from being narrowed iu the way at =lby the everend Lord. The grievance could be re by R Parliament, or by his Majesty. Lord CALTHORPE could not remain silent on a subject which so deeply Involved the peace of the Church in which he had been educated, and could never consent to see the rights of that Church invaded by such a course as that which had been pursued by the Right Reverend Prelate. He admitted that a great degree of discretion was vetted in Bishops ; but the con duct of the Right Reverend Prelate exceeded all the bounds of that discretion. The Eirl of HARROWBY said, he agreed with most of the arguments that had been advanced on this question, and he thought it was one well worthy the consideration of the House; and he was convinced the Right Reverend Prelate had acted in direct contradiction to the practice of the Church—(Hear, hear) —and to the Evangelical doctrines of eminent Divines. It was highly impolitic thus to narrow the bads of the Church; it was dangerous to the interests of Religion ; and such an examination las that which the Right Reverend Prelate had pursued ought not to be pursued. At the same time, he did not think it would be expedient to fellow up the Petition , after being laid on the table, by an Address to the Crown, because be believed that every end would be answered by the discussion of that evening. The LORD CHANCELLOR thought the Petition ought to be laid un the table ; but as to the conduct of the Right Re verend Prelate, his opinion was, chat he bad a right to examine , in order to know what their doctrines were, and :I: l l7t e e n ought to be a standard of faith In the country. He had no objection, however, to the Petition lying on the table.— The Petition was then received. Lord (),ACRE presented a similar Petition from another Clergyman, named Neville—Laid on the table. Lord DACUR said, that in consequence of what fell from the Noble Earl opposite, he should decline moving an Address to the Crown ; but be should move that the two Petitions should be referred to a Committee of that House. The LORD CHANCELLOR said, that he should oppose this motion. The Earl of CARNARVON supported the motion, and AvArmly censured the conduct of the Reverend Prelate, as tend ing to sow dissension in the Church. He was surprised and ashamed-to' see so many Reverend Prelates silting on their bench, and on saying a word on this question. Their Lordships now divided cur the motion for referring the Petitions to a Cdromittee: Contents - - - - - 19 Non-Contents - - - - 58 , - • • Majority against the Motion —39 'On the motion of Lord Eu.ninoaouon, the Marriage Act Amendment Rill was read a second time.—At Half-past Nine the House adjourned. HOUSE OF COMMONS. Mr. MASON from the East India House, presented certain Resolutions of the Court of Directors respecting the Salaries of the Officers of the Company.—Ordered to lie on the table. Mr. BLACKBURN presented several Petitions from Lanca shire against the Licensing Bill.—Ordered to lie on the table. Mr. M. A. TAYLOR postponed until the 26th inst. his mo tion respecting the Practice of the Court of Chancery. Mr. EGERTON presented a Petition from Chester against the Licensing Bin. On the question being put that the Petition be brought up, Mr. BERNAL said, he took that opportunity to correct a misrepresentation which had found hs way into some of the Newspapers, as to what be had said respecting the Bill in ques tion. It was stated that he had said there were no abuses what ever under the present system. He bad never said so. He had merely said that a distinction ought to be drawn between the town and the country brewer. Upon general principles he highly approved of the Bill, and should give it his hearty support. The SPEAKER enquired whether the Hon. Member in tended to submit any motion in consequence of the Breach of Privilege he had just mentioned? Mr. BERNAL answered in the negative; and the Petition was then brought up, read, and ordered to lie on the table. Mr. AGAR. ELCIS presented Petitions from the wholesale Spirit Dater& of Kinsale and Waterford, against the present die dilation laws.—Ordered to lie on the table. Sir ULYSSES BURGH presented a Petition fkom certain Landowners and Merchants of Carlow engaged in the butter trade, praying for protecting duties on the importation of that article.—Ordered to lie on the table. The same Hon. Member presented certain Returns from the Ordnance Office relative to the salaries of the officers of that department.— O rdered to lie on the table, and be printed. Mr. BING presented a Petition from the Rector and Church wardens of the Parish of St. George in the East, against the Iron Coffin Bill.—Ordered to lie on the table. The Middlesex County Treasurer's Bill was read a second time, and committed. The West India Trade and Colonial Bills were read a third time and passed. Mr. CURWEN moved for an account of the number of gal lons of spirits distilled from corn in Ireland in each year, from the year 1818 to the present time—and a similar account respect ing Scotch spirits.—Ordered. General UA SCOY Nit presented a Petition from an indivi dual, against the Annuity Memorial Indemnity Bill—Ordered to lie on the table. A conversation took place between Mr. Waimea= and Mr. M. A. Tammy as to the object of the latter, 131 the motion of which he had given notice respecting the practice of the Court of Chancery. Mr. M. A. TAYLOR said, be intended to move for a Com mittee to consider the provisions of the Bill creating the Vice- Chancellor's Court ; and if the House should adopt the motion, he intended to propose a legislative measure to limit the jurisdic tion of that Court. Mr. DAWSON moved for an Address to the Crown for a Copy of the Report of the Commissioners appointed to inquire into the Salaries and Duties of the Officers of Courts in Scotland. —Ordered. The Bakers' Regulation irt was 11 went through a Commi rdered t ttee, o on the motion of Mr. Catatax.—The Report oo received on Monday: Mr. KENNEDY postponed the second reading of the Scotch Juries Bill until the 17th instant. Lord G. BERESFORD presented a Petition from Water terford, praying for a further protection on the butter trade. Sir N. COLTH U BST postponed his motion for a Committee on the Butter Trade, until Friday next. Mr. BENETT (of Wiltshire) presented a Petition from cer tain Farmers of Salisbury,for the repeal of the Leather Tax,— Ordered to be printed. A Menage from the Lords here announced their Lordships assent to several Bills. A Mesas& wished to ask whether it was the intention of his Majesty's Ministers to make any alteration in the duties upon Bast India Sugar? The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said, that the subject was under the consideration of Government, but he could not say what course would be adopted. He thought it most likely that the duties would remain as they were. Mr. GRENFELL put a question relative to the renewal of the Bank Charter? The CHA NCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER replied, that he could not say at what time the Government would propose a renewal of the Bank Charter, or whether it would be done or not. Mr. CA LCRA IFT begged to call the attendon•of the Attor ney-General to certain Returns which were big year ordered by the House, respecting the business transacted by the Cowl of - , . The Geier had be* offeplied with a' -r the low *.t do.; bst the Seises bed bees •_ry impede: ATTORNEY-OHNKKAL said be would :11_k tt his Wilma to ingsdre into Ike eirtaillitllMM He LAIL. vc.- the neglect was not intentional Wr. DKADMONT pruented a Petidon from certain Own ers And 'Occispien et Land in Northumberland, praying for relief =&vineries they offered ender the Horse Tax. The Masher said he was happy to observe that his. dsinty's Givitunitsen Wended to afford relief to all Persons suffering under die ineurrenience.-.ordered to de on the table. lily THOMAS ACKLAND presented two Petitions frost Devonshire, compialning of Agricultural Distress.—Ordered ao He on the table. - • The ATTORNEY-GENERAL presented Petitions from certain llilken of the Court lo ss cheq praying fur compen sation in Consomme of the of their Pea by the R ect o r nisance Bill.--Ordseed to Ile on the table. YORKSHIRE POLLS SILL. • Mr. WYNN moved the second reading of the YOKshire Polls Itegulation Bill. Mr. CIIALLONER opposed the Bill. It arose, he thought, . out of the fancy of the Right Hon. Gentleman, and was not called for by the County. It tended to deprive the electors of a considerable portion of their elective franchise, and he was net aware of any crime they had committed to deserve that punish ment. •He moved, at an amendment, that the Rill be read a second time that day six months. Mr. RAMSDEN seconded the amendment. The SS, he said, was opposed to the wishes of the County, which had ea ' pressed its opinion through the Grand Jury. Mr. WILBERFORCE opposed the Bill. He thought it would take away much of the weight and influence of the great and wealthy County of York. Mr. WYNN supported the Bill. He denied that it would have the effect .stated by the lion. Member. It was, he con tended, a necessary consequence of the gill, which gave to Yorke shire the right of sending two additional Members to that House. —The object of this Bill was to prevent the immense expense attending contested elections for the County. That expense had sometimes been as much as £lOO,OOO a side, without the payment of a single shilling for an illegal purpose. Thee were no fewer than 13,000 freeholders, woo poUed at the last contest from the West Riding only. He thought the Grand Jury had entered into a subject foreign from their duty when they „re nounced an opinion on this Bill. He had, however, no wish to press the Bill, if the House should appear disinclined to en courage it. Lord NORMANBY opposed the MU. In the County to which the Bill related he knew there was a general intlilf.rer.ra felt towards it, and some cases of strung objection. Lord HOTH A M contended that the Bill would be benefici.,l to the County of York, and denied that they had any reason to believe that the County was averse to it. Mr. 3. WORTLEY considered that the majority of the elec tors were decidedly against the Bill. If the Bill passed the lat.dcd interest in the West Riding would be sunk. Admiral SOTHERON supported the amendment. Mr. DBNISON and Mr. DUNCAN opposed the Bill. Mr. H. SUMNER thought the West Riding ought not to to allowed to rids otter the North and East Biding-. The House then divided, when the number, were— For the second reading ... ..... ........... 27 Against it 46 i • C 9 Majority against the Bill —32 On re-admission to the gallery, Mr. S. RICE asked if it were intended, on the part of Uovernment, to propoie any measure with respect to the conduct of the Chief Baron of Ireland.' Mr. PLUNKETT said that he had not yet had an opper ' tunity of seeing the Report. He did not mean to say that the question was not important and urgent ; but this he knew. that if any person had a right to complain of del y, it w.:s cer tainly the Learned Chief Baron, who had been the object of the present question. Sir JOHN NEWPORT deprecated the postponement of the subject to another Session. CoNSTABLES IN IRELAND SILL. Mr. GOULBURN rose to move.the second reading of this Bill lie pointed out the state of the Police with regard to the appointment of Constables, and ,hewed its defects. He also alluded to the difficulties. of arresting persons in Leland, which could seldom be effected with the concurrence, or without the opposition of the population. From these cause-, to be efficient in his office, a constable ought to devote his whole time to is duties.' The Grand Juries who now appointed them could not grant such salaries as would enable them to do so, and, get cen sequence, the office of constable h..d Linen into a state which it was most desirable to avoid. If they wished te tuukt p L upte of Ireland respect the law they must endeavour to restart- its administration with effect. The mean, of aecomplishing this be was about to propose to the House. He was aware that be might be met with the objection that it was against the prin eiples of the Constitution to vest such a power in the hands cf the Government as the appointment of these constables; but he thought the first constitutional duty of every man was to enforce the observance of the laws. The appointment of the chief con stable of a Barony was no new power in the bands of Govern ment. Several previous Acts had authorized this, and the ob ject now in view fully authorized them in extending the power to the common constables. He should propose by the Lill that the duties of a constable should be limited to the Maintenance of the peace, under the directions of the Magistrates. lie knew that the House had not always met what it expected from the Magistracy of Ireland, but be thought the present measure would remove one of the difficulties which prevented their act ing with that efficiency which rendered a Magistracy respect able. The House was aware ttrat there were extraordinary measures of police now in operation, which had been atteudel with the most happy results; and he did not mean to imply any thing unfavourable to those measures when he proposed otle , :s which be considered would operate as a preventive, instead of a remedy, for outrage. Various Petitions were to be feend upon their Journals, pointing out in much stronger terms th ee he had presumed to use, the defects of the police in Irehind. One of these, from the county of Galway, also al!utled to the means by which they were to be removed. He thought no mats would object to the proposition that an effective police in Ire land was desirable. lie proposed this measure to the Iloine the opening of a new era for that country. By it he hoped 'o prevent the necessity of keeping up the large military establish ment there, and of employing military force upon all occasion:, which it was so desirable to avoid, unless in cases of open inier rection. With these views he confidently proposed the scroll reading of the Bill. Sir HENRY PARNELL thought that unless the Right Ho- nourable Gentleman could find the means of constant communi cation between the Counties and the Government, his plan of police would not be successful. He contended that the Right Hon..Gendeman had not fairly described the detective state of the Magistracy of Ireland. The number of improper persons in the Magistracy was so great, that to entrust to them the direc tion of these constables was likely to bring the law into still greater disrespect. He thought the Government ought to take upon themselves the task; they ought to take the resolution of reforming the Magistracy. Ile had heard that souse, he hoped not many, had actually encouraged the outrages, in the hope of getting rid of tithes and rents, they being themselves land holders. Another evil of the defective police was the injury it did to public credit, owing to the general distrust in the admi nistration of the law. The industrious nun could not get the credit be deserved, because every une was afraid of obtailing redress in case of fraud. Thus the capital of the country could not be employed hi the most advantageous channels. It appeared to him that the remedy which the Right Hon. Gentleman nitant to propose was the establishment of constables, armed, mourted, and accoutred, in every respect resembling the French police. He thought the best means would be those of removing e e powers which Grand Juries possessed, and placing them in d.e hands of Magistrates, as in England, and of appointing constitu tional constables. He should have no objection to the latter being assisted by such officers as the Right Hon. Gentleman proposed. If these alterations were made in the Bill , he should be disposed to support it. He contended that the removal of the present constables and the introduction of these armed men would be likely to disgust resident Gentlemen, and make them become absentees. Another ground of objestion to the measure was the expense which it would incur. This would fall upon the colludes, and it would amount to about 4,0001. a year for . each, and they now paid only about 8001 . f or the maintenance ,ct all their constables. He hoped the Right Hon. Gentleman weed consent to send the Bill to a Committee above stairs. Mr. PLUNKETT rose to submit a very few observations: o the House. Upon the necessity at once of improving the pohfe exist. The Hon. Baronet admitted the necessity of an Irani of Ireland, no difference of opinion, diate change, and that admission alone answered his propos.: for a committee. Whether the measure now proposed was the heapprehended, cou.:l .1001".",""t""11711,11:11.1.174". I . . . . . . . . , . . • . . the Pads to tbe •Chott‘itiMe Thiliimbillt? had 1•101 i . 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