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~"", - - and • - i•Rifortuets are determined to spare no pains or • tee c.• to effect the return of a Bankes (William, sae es. . ncartl) for that county, with a view to in. titian et; r'-e fete of the till in the House of Lords. We • r • nil t:.at a meml.er of the Ponsonby family is to be ern., candidate. The freeholders of Dorsetshire Fete— ry great honour by their exertions in the late mi te,• t hut it is hardly necessary to tell thorn, that the im. nee 'eye of the approaching contest is, out of all proportion, ,:n•awr teen the last. Tee eyes of the people of F.nglnAl are ?Ton them. If they ere now lukewarm—if they be. arty the cause of the country at this crisie—the name of 4 Dorsett&ire man will be a repteneh. But it is impossible t' itt the spirit which actuated the electors during the last i;ction should now extinct. and that the men who :.r rd so nobly will now sit dawn tamely to bear the reproach ' 1 traitors to site cause of their ceentry. No ; they ' , v. 11 rally rotitel :he reform candninty. and nobly perform t• c r duty. let no man deem his eeertions insignificant. — Seery freeholder :should act es if he censidered the success re the election to depend on his exertions alone. IVe can never conceive so meaoly of any porti:n nt Englishmen, as tnat having made a great exertion to effect the salvation of mir country, they should before that object has been ac.; coinplished, exhibit a careless indifference with regard to it, tie with the fickleness of children who have laid aside ore toy for another, veer round to- the support of the cause against which they so recently made such vigorotts exer. lions. '1 his sorely is not in accordance with the English l ' ehurecter. The Doreetshire men will feel as they ought the sacredness of the obligation they contracted at the last election to their fele e.terintrymen, not to desert till victory crowns their Ants by the passing of the Re form Bill. They will not allow themselves to be pointed et with the fisher of scram as men who its the stntggle were false to the great cause. They will be true to the last. and spurn from thent every man who insults their under. standings by soliciting them to consent to remain slaves— to sarrender their liberties and their properties tit the pmud, tel insolent Boreughmongers. We are sure wit need say,' no more to prove to the Freeholders of Deesetshire the De. evesity of doing their duty at this eventful crisis. A sort of earnest of whet we tray aeon expect in the', House of Lords was afforded last night, in an incidental discussion on the presentation by Lord Radnor of 4 petition,' signed by two individuals in the name and on the behalf of an extensive Political Union. Lord King having observed, that if the people were quirt, et it was in the confidence that the Reform Bill would pees ; and if it should not pass, then the enerne:s of tire House would say that it was high time to catodder what was the use of the (louse ?" Lord Wynfortl ruse to crier, and said that he cnn. site ed it disorderly to say chat it • was a question wire. tier the House was deny use? His Lordship coeterded that he was perfectly in order, and that he only raid, that it case the bill did not pass, the adversaries of the house would for •hot testiest make it a qnestion whe:her the Leese was of uuy use; and it v.es their Lordships' duty to take care that no Seel pretence should be afforded them to make it a quos lam more especially as he was sorey to say that this house had no great character to lose." Ti,is ia!sd winching lake a storm. Some Noble Lords were for taking down the words. Tne Marquess of Salisbury said it war clear that a:recstur attempts were made to inflame the minds ; of men, of well-nu:lring rn-n, against that house." On sec nl theugets the motion was withdrawn ; and this was wise. Tooth! who ore most sore ab tot reflections on their eltaracter have, einerally, very little to lose, or such as might be lest with advantage. It is in the Old Bailey where dis emedotis I a •o cherarer lure most editying. Lard John tineteil, en moving the ter:her ceeeide ration of the Reform Bid has: briefly roticed the few amend. merits, or imitations, a itich the government thought it re. I quittiee to prop,se. It is intended to give an additional s member to race of two counties of Weles—Ca.rntarthen shire and Denb:ehshire—the former, in 1821, contain g upwards rf Meth*, and :he /aver 71;00 inlia. b.tan:s. Two p 1 se. a, also, arc to have each one men bee— in Lancashire, and road and 3liachin.liampton, in the county of Gloucester. The Report is to be taken into farther consideration this day, anti it was seated by Lord Althorp, that he hoped and trusted the third reading would be definitively axed for Vonday next. These are some objects which ought not to be cuneidered too curiously, and aniong them is the crea tion of Peeve Sir Richard Vyvyan was pleased to call the last male Peers faggots. In Tom Jones, the King of the Gipsies, among oilier matters which puzzled him in our Christian Connuoawealth, notices the distribution of ho t:ours: 1 ' Ma are often, hear dat sham is de consequence and de cause too of many of your rewards. Are your rewards and punishments, den, de same thing ?" We look not to the means, but to the end. The fairest dowers owe their rich tints to a liberal allowance of ordure. The fairest Peer ages have had their origin in foul and impure sources. POST.—Gross disrespect and abusive expressionstowards the House of Lords might, perhaps, have been expected from the Times and those other Journals which exist only by pandering to the vile appetites of the very lowest class of the people. But that we should heat the language which is properly addressed to the pottheuses of the Metropolis adopted and repeated within the walls of the House of Lords itself, we never could have anticipated. Such, however, was the case yesterday evening. Happily, ll:ere is but one Member of their Lordships' House capable of so demeaning himself, but that there should be even one must be a subject of general regret.— That Henry tiro:lloAm, Esq. M. P. and the present Lord Chancellor ore nut the same man is evident enough. But which is the true man, or whether there may vet be sonic third or fourth man under the sante external form, to be brought forty eel as future eitcunistances may require, are questions s bleb amazingly perplex all the politicians and philosophers of the day. The more indulgent class of observers soy, that having reached a higher pinnacle, the noble and learned Lutel has obtained a clearer view, and this accounts fur his new aversion to be 1414 1*:;1:1 it sanctions crime, and his new perception or the value of Lord Eldon and the Bishops; the more ey meal remark that to be formidable was the way to the %Voel,ack. alai to be harmless is the way to keep there ; and:: all s: eat to agree that, with whatever motive, this thstmguislnd functionary is investing himself as speedily as ji Ise /et that the case was really urgent of all the preju. dices and peculiaries which would be likely to obstruct his admission 111:o a Tory Cabinet. 11 E RA I.D.—The Paris papers of Sunday and Monday, out a domestic point of view, are not without interest ; and if the notices they contain of Polish affairs are as authentic as r.re exinlirating, they would be really important. But aseulacy and certainty of intelligence seem to recede upon this subject, just at the same rate that our extreme anxiety ritteua us nearer to it ; and, notwithstanding the num.rous details which thicken upon all sides, we are as much in the dub as ever as to the actual situation of the belligerents, upon whose mimes hangs the independence of Poland.-- Tleae papers claim—and with a confidence which gave the assumption currency throughout all Paris on Saturday—two green: victories for the Poles over their enemies, one upon the 20th, by Skrzynecki over Paskewitsch, in which the whole of the main body of the Russians is said to have been routed f:0.1: before Warsaw; the other by GM. Roxichi over ltudiger, o•o.e to the south, the fruits of which are said to have been 4,000 prisoners and eight pieces of cannon. The date of this 1 est is not given, but in the general statement it seems to be lic same which we reported some half dozen days ago, from German Foyers. Unfortunately these brilliant victories Lave been anticipated several days by German arrivals, which gas e them no countenance, for the sources of the Parisian information was Berlin and Hamburg Papers to the 30tit of August and 3d of September, whereas we have I, id the same journals to the laver dates of the Bth and 10th it.siont. We arc afraid that we must, however reluctlantly, reject t h e reports in the French papers, and are therefore again thrown back upon the meagre and unsatisfactory de lode which We 111.tAisht.d in our last, as the latest and moat plausible acceurts tionn Poland. Warsaw was then safe, bet tic atf.ids e f i:s defenders were far from being so pros. plow, as they ;re here represented. BIPERIAL PARLIAMENT. HOUSE OF LORDS, SEPT. 13. The Ilnuse sat this moining at balf-past ten o'clock to hear Scotch appeals. The Lords in attendance were the Loan CHANCELLOR, Lord SELnist, and the Bishop of Conc. NEW PEIRe. In the course of the morning the following new Peers were introduced, and took the oaths and their seats : l'he Islarquts of WESTMINITEM (late Earl Grosvenor,) introduced by the Marquises of LawspowNE and CMOL. MONDELIY. Lord POLT IMO/LE (late Sir G.Banipfyhle,) Introduced by Lads DuctE and SEAGRATM. Lord PArmann (late Hoe. W. Maul.), introduced by Lords liutiaavtx and Downs. Lord Distoanax (late Wm. Lewis Hughes, Esq.) in. troduced by Lords Luc= and Du Ems. The Earl of BuityttoTox (late Lord George Augustus Henry Cavendish), introduced by the Earls of °Mom) and CARLISLE. The Earl of CAMPERDOWS (latc Vi s count Duncan), in troduced by Earls ALIIIMAILE and Oos THE RZTOIIM DILL. The Earl of RADNOR pregented various pctitions for the introduction of the Poor Laws to Ireland. Also a pe. tition praying their lordships not to reject the reform bill. Lord KING rose in support of the petition on the sub ject of Reform, and observed that it could be well if their lordships woul d pay attention to the recommendation of the petitioners. Public opinion had heen strongly expressed, and it might be said that house had not nitich character to lcse. (Cries of Order, order.) Lord KENYON deprecated the u.e of such expressions, es highly objectionable. The Marquis of LONDONDERRY elm considered the language uttered by the noble lord highly offensive, and moved the words be taken down. Several noble lords rote at the same rime. The Li HID CHANCELLOR decided that the motion of the noble marquis could not be put, because another noble lord ha,l aUrrssegl the House tires the word, wets rpoken. Lotd KING, in explaration, repzated his former ob servation. The Al.rquis of SALISBURY then moved tL•e words be tpken down. _ . The LORD CHANCELLOR said, his noble friend was preparing to give explAnation at the moment the noble mar qois moved to take dim , his wcrtls. He was sure his noble friend intended !wiling of to the House. The Slatquis of SALISBURY advertedtto an instance in Odds a Nolan Lord in the heat of debate uttered im proper expressions which were taken down. The question for putting the words eown was put at the moment an attempt wen made to explain. He understood the Noble Lied to have svd, atrocious attempts had been made to use the influence of that house against the wishes of the country. The Nolte Marquis was dispcsed 'o persist in his motion. The house, after s.is motion should be carried, might dispose of the matter according to its wisdom. Lord KING said, a motion bad been made to take down the words he uttered, and that motion occurred at the mo ment he was rising to explain the true meaning of his words. He did not mean to offend that House. His intention was, to convey an assertion that there were people in the country who en'trtained the opinion he had stated of that House. The Noble Lord was sorry for it, and his wish was they r) 4 ,tht rot give further hindrance to the Re 'item Bill, and thereby disappoint the expectation of the country, but pur sue a owe prudent course. . . lard A It NCLlFFexpressed a hope upon the subject of reform, that hitt noble friends would not be influenced by opinions out of (loam It was extraordinary that not only the p rsons who signed the petition, but others, believed that certain motives must be attributed to the House of Lords If it should so happen that the reform bill be re. jected, it would not be occasioned by that house having more influenee than the Horse of Commons, but it would be be cause ti!cy saw danger in the new constitution. The Marquis of SALISBURY said, the noble lord hav ing explained that he meant nothing offensive or direspeetful to the house, he should beg leave to withdraw his motion. The subject consequently dropped. PORTUGAL. The Marquis of LONDONDERRY wished to ask the noble earl when the papers relating to Portugal would be laid helot e the house, and whether the noble earl would ob. j.:cr witty on the table the opinion of the Ring's advocate respecting the ships seized by the French in the Tagus? The noble marquis understood that more ships had been sent to the Tagus, to take the remnant of what the French had left. It was desirable they should have all the information neces sary for a full discussion of that most extraordinary occur. rencet. Earl GREY said he had no objection to communicate in. formation at the proper time. The papers were not prepared, but he wou!ci Inform the noble marquis when they would be rads , . respect to the opinion of the King's advocate, he bed no objection to produce it. As to the arrival of ships In the Tagus, be could glee no information. The Marquss of LONDONDERRY repeated that he ras anxious to know when these papers could be pre. s;r:ed. The documents applied to a else in which the country would stand disgraced, without good ground for justification. Viscount STRA NGFORD adverted to what he consi dered a matter of great importance. He alluded to the wine duties bill, which inflicted another wound on the commerce of this country, by giving the French additional advantages in Portugal. Three weeks since it was said, in the other House of Parliament, that the whole conduct of France with respect to the reciprocity treaties had been remarkable for a spirit adverse to the commercial interests of this country. At the present day a British vessel in the ports of France paid ten times more for duties than a French vessel in the ports of England. Under these circumstances it was most extraordinary that the Government of this country should assist the French in their efforts to be received on the most favourable footing in Portugal. The noble viscount threw out these observations as points worthy the attention of his Majesty's Government. The Bishop of BATH and WELLS presented a petition from Somerset, for the abolition of negro slavery. The Marquis of LANSDOWNE presented a petition front Canada, praying for regulation of the affairs of that colony. The Earl of SHREWSBURY presented a number of petitions from Roman Catholics in Ireland, praying for the Cltilliiol2 of the elettive franchise, the repeal of the Union, the poor lows and other wants felt by the inhabitants of that part of the United Kingdom. PLI3 *ALI ma 'ILL. The Archbishop of CANTERBURY moved the order of the day fur going into committee on the pluralities of livings. Lotti WYNFORD opposed several of the clauses, and objected to the sort of retorm which this bill would accom plish in the church. The right rev. bench had commenced by reducing the livings of the poorer clergy, who in many instrnces could not exist without pluralities. He thought the right rev. bench should begin by reducing their own emoluments, and thereby afford better provision for the poorer clergy. The Archbishop of CANTERBURY, the Bishop of Lox pox, and the Earl of HAIIR.`WIY, defended the Bill. After some remarks from Lord WYNFORD, in opposi tion to the Bill, The LORD CHANCELLOR said he was satisfied that the bill in no wise would trench upon the right of persona holding advowsons. Several verbal amendments were made, and the bill passed through the committee, and was ordered, with the amend ments, to be printed, and the report to be brought up on Tuesday next. The bills on their lordships table were forwarded their respective stages, and the house adjourned at a quarter past eight. HOUSE OF COMMONS. Lord I MIESTRIE moved fors new writ for electing a member for Darsetshire, in the room of the Right Hem John Calcraft, d‘cemeil. Mr. MAXWELL moved for an address to his Majesty, for a copy of the depositions taken before the coroner, at the inquest held at Ncwtownbarry, on the bodies of those who were killed at that place, on the 18th June last.—Agreed to. Mr. 1-11. 1 31 E preheated a petition front Joseph Townshend Halman, a prisoner in the Court of King's Bench, on a con viction f or a libel, the truth of which he fully proved in the Court of King's Bench ; praying that the law might be changed, and truth not deemed a libel. He perfectly agreed with the petitioner, that truth should not be deemed a libel. Mr. H UNT presented a petition from the eastern branch of the National Union, for the release of the Rev. It. Taylor. Lord G. LENNOX presented a petition from Maria Huth; of Chichester, stating that her thrashing-machine was destroyed, and that on applying for compensation, she was told by the magistrates, thrashing-machines were not under the protection of the law. Mr. HUME said it would be a lamentable state of the law, if thrashing machines were not as much under the pro tection of the law as ploughs ; if that were the law, a mo ment should not be lust till .t was changed. Mr. HUNT said it would be much better to employ the people than thrashing-machines. Mr. S. RICE said, there ,was no doubt threshing machines were as much under the protection of the law as any other species of property. With respect to the obser vation of the Hon. Member for Preston about employing ,ziri the people instead of machinery, if that doctrine was to its full extent, neither ploughs nor spades would be used. Mr. PAGET said, nothing could be more certain than that machinery Increased the demand for labour. If the Honourable Member for Preston could point out bow the farmers were to be remunerated, they would gladly employ the labourers. lir. HUNT said he would tell the Honourable Member one way, which vu, lower your rents; another way was, lowa the tams; but it vas preposterous to say that the use of machinery increased empkyont ; where the thrashing. machines had been done away with there was plenty of em ployment for labourers. Mr. HU3IE hoped the Honourable Member would con sider the subject better—it was certain the labourers could not better their condition by the destruction of property. — (Hear, hear.) Lord INGESTRIE said, he passed through Salisbury yesterday, and there heard that a farmer who had made preparations for using a thrashing-machine on Monday, had all his stacks burnt on the Saturday night ; he was afraid such dreadful practices would extend if measures were not taken to prevent them. Ile would advise farmers, where there was a redundance of labour, not to employ thrash. ing.machines • and above all things, he would advise la bourers to abstain from crime, the consequence of which must be their own destruction. Mr. ROBINSON said, there was no doubt machinery diminished the demand for labour ; but that was no argu ment against its use; but the time was come when Govern ment must look the evil in the face, and make a more effec tual provision for the employment of the people. He had letters from Kent, stating that fires had recommenced there, and the greatest apprehension was felt in consequence. Mr. HODGES said, he had no such advice from Kent ; but he thought he should if such a fear was felt. Sir H. VIVIAN said, it was certain that the poor were not in general benefited by machinery ; but the time would come alien all would derive benefit front the increase of knowledge. He feared the present generation mutt suffer for' the benefit of succeeding generations. Mr. S. RICE moved fur a new writ for Flint, in the room of Sir E. Lloyd, now Lord Mostyn.—Ordered. Mr. Alderman wirrnM AN presented a petition from Manchester for universal suffrage and vote by ballot. Lord INGESTRIE presented a petition from the coal. meters of Dublin, praying compensation for the loss of their fees. WIWPOUNDLAND. Mr. ROBINSON presented a petition from Waterford for protectio:: for the Newfoundland trade. Mr. IifIBINSON said he hoped to receive the attention of the house to a motion of which he had given notice re spectin4 the island of Newfoundland, which contained 1011,01 , 0 of their fellow suliects who had no legislature of their own. For three sessions of Parliament he had cndea voured to bring the subject under the consideration of the house, and if he were to posTone it at present, it would be tantamount to an abandonment of the interest of the colony, 1 which was one of the oldest settlements of the Crown on the other side of the Atlantic; and if the capabilities of the co lony had been duly appreciated, would hove been one of its most valuable appet.dages. For a hay, tiute Newfoundland was only regarded as a foreign fishing station, to which fishermen resorted in the summer. and every discouragement was given to their becoming settlers. lie held in his hand a memorial from a respectable inhabh.ant to the Governor for leave to build a pigst}e. The reason he believed was, that the island was left to the entire government of the Admi. ralty. It was perfectly well known to all connected with the colonies, that it was almost impossible to procure the attention of the Government to their peculiar interests. The attention of Government was so fully occupied that they were always glad of an excuse, and the ready answer Was, we will look into it—we will try and attend to it—we will call for information—and in this way improvement was indefinitely postponed. The island was lately left for six weeks wholly without law between the expiring of one act of par- Bement and t;:e enactment of another. The inhabitants had now universally agreed on a petition to the crown for a local legislature. (The hon. gentleman read the petition.) Front a communication he had the honour of having with his Ma jesty, he knew that his Majesty entertained a lively recol. lection of leis visit to Newfoundland, and was must anxious to promote its happiness. What was there in the state of Newfoundland that should prevent its having a local govern. ntent, as well as Prince Edward's Island with a popula tion of no more than thirty-two thousand inhabitants, or Bermuda, with still less? (Hear, hear, hear.)-- The Noble Lord admitted that it wrs right the inhabitants should have a share in their own govemmeut,but he thought that share would be almost wholly engrossed by the town of St. John's : this, however, was a mistake, the whole people might take a part, and be benefited. The real cause of de. lay was, that there was a body of merchants in this coun try who traded to Newfoundland, and had no notion of promoting its agriculture, or local welfare; and though they would not say that Newfoundland was not entitled to have a local legislature, yet they were averse from any alte. ration. The extent of the island was equal to that of Eng ' laud, and its soil was fertile, and yet even the greater part of the potatoes consumed in it were Imported from Prince Edward's Island and Ireland (hear, hear.) Another object of his motion would be to have the long. contested right of fishing on the coast settled with the French Government. In the time of Charles I. the French paid a tribute for fishing on that coast ; and by various treaties since, the right of fishing was given to the French ; and, in consequence, they now claim an exclusive tight on ap, ar ticular part of the coast, from which they lately removed an English fishing vessel, sent from Newfoundland for the pure pose of establishing the tibia. Tho rest fact was, the house had too much to do, without occupying themselves with the petty legislation of Newfoundland. He moved that an ad dress be presented to his Majesty, praying that he would be pleased to grant to his faithful colony of Newfoundland a constitutional government, similar to those enjoyed by his Majesty's other colonies in North America; and that his Majesty would be pleased to give directions for ascertaining the rights of his subjects to fish on the coast of New foundland. Lord 110 WICK said, he felt great embarrassment from the manner in which the hon. gent. had brought the sub- ject on a day appointed for bringing up the report of the Committee on the all-important subject of Reform, the anxiety respecting which made it impossible to enter at large into the question. He thought it was not unreasonable to request of the hon. gent. to suspend his motion for the pre sent Session, but the hon. gent. did not think proper to com ply with that request. He agreed with the hon. gent. that the time was come when the people of Newfoundland mustbe entrusted with a considerable share in their own legislation ; but he could not agree in the address proposed by the hon. gent. which could not now be sufficiently considered, as it was certain that the whole subject must come under con sideration during the ensuing Session. (Hear, hear.) In 1827, the whole population was 38,000, of which 11,000 were inhabitants of St. John's, and the rest were so scattered that they could hardly do otherwise than choose the inha bitants of St. John's to represent them. The Governor of Newfoundland would shortly return to this country, and with the local information to be received front him and others, Government would he better enabled than at present to form ' a constitution for Newfoundland. He should not meet the hon. gentleman's motion with a direct negative, but would move :he previous question, in which he hoped the House would concur. Sir J. NEWPORT recommended the hon. member to withdraw his motion for the present, to afford opportunity for fuller investigation next session of parliament. Mr. HUME said every member of the house must be anxious to pay attention to the recommendation of the right hen. Bart. but he must say that the time was come when he thought the prayer of the people of Newfoundland should be attended to. They prayed to be allowed to legislate for themselves, and not to be left under the government of one man. While Newfoundland and other colonies were go. vented in Downing-street, the colonies must be discon. tented, and this country must pay the expense of mis government. For many years this country had been paying the expense of misgovernment in Newfoundland, for which 30,0001. had been voted one year, and 12,0001. had been voted last year. (Hear.) He did not press for any im proper haste, but the address did not pledge the house to more than giving thecolony a representative Government the same as the other North American colonies. (Hear.) If the noble lord would look at Upper Canada, he would find that the best representatives came from the scattered districts. A local legislature would soon cause the making of roads through the island, which would be a great and per. manent improvement. He hoped his hon. friend would press his motion, and that a British House of Commons could not be so unmindful of the rights of their fellow-subjects as not to agree to it. The only way of making the colonies sup. port themselves, and of enabling them to prosper, was to give them the management of their own affairs. (Hear.) Mr. FERGUSON hoped the hon. member would with draw his motion, and give notice of bringing it forward on a future day ; or that be would move at present for a select committee. He was, on general principles, prepared to say that NewfouncUand could not be well governed in Downing street, but lie was not at present prepared to vote for the ad dress. (Hear) Lord ALTIIORP said the subject was at present under the consideration of Government, but he had no objection to the appointment of a committee, though it could not lead to any legislation on the subject in the present year. (Hear.) Mr. LABOUCHERE would rather Government would bring the subject before the house than refer it to a commit tee, though, as that mode appeared to be approved of, be should not oppose it. (Hear.) Mr. O'CONNELL hoped the hon. member would with , draw his motion for the present, as Government had given a pledge to bring the subject before the house next session. The inhabitants of Newfoundland were mostly descended from the Irish, and though they were Protestants and Ca tholics, they left all their religious animosities behind them, and agreed most harmoniously. (Hear.) Mr. C. PELHAM said, it was not to he told the itn mense mine of wealth with which Newfoundland was sur rounded in its fisheries, and which was only unproductive for want of a local legislature, such as that now called for. Mr. BURGE thought Newfoundland was entitled to a local legislature, and that Its scattered population formed no reasonable objection. Mr. ROBINSON replied, lie world be quite ready to withdraw his motion if his Majesty's Ministers would promise, (should they be In o ff ice next session) to give a legislative Government to Newfoundland, or allow a Com mittee of inquiry. Lord ALTHORP, in answer, said, whatever govern. ment might exist next session, that Parliament must of no. cessity replate the Government of Newfoundland ; fur his own part, he would have no objection to sanction a Com mittee of Inquiry ; but he thought the nature of the measure was such, that it would, properly rest with Mi nisters. _ _ _ After a few observations from Lord Howick, the Ilon. Member consented to withdraw his motion. Mr. ROBINSON, on being called upon for another mo tion, of whicit notice had been given, we b,lievc relating to Nova Scotia, Paid, that on the assurance given by the Noble Lord on his previous motion, he would not retard the pro ceeding with the Reform Dill, but would wi:hdraw the motion. Several other notices on the paper tetra postponed. Mr. HUME moved that an humble address be presented to his Alajesty, praying for a report of the return relating to the Scotch Universities.—Agreed to. Mr. HUAI E made a similar motion regarding tha waste lands of Canada.—Agreed to. Mr. HUME made a similar motion for a return of the number of persona that had emigrated from this country to North America, and to distinguish tiae numbers from Eng. land, Scotland, and Irelatd, &e. Lord A LTHORP said he would have had no objection whatever to furnish this information, but he alld not .see bow it was possible to obtain it. The order of the day was then read for the further con. sideration of the report on the Committee on the • : utroam BILL. Lord J. RUSSELE,inrisiWg to move that the Report be now read, said he had only a few observations to make. There were one or two alterations which had been made, of which notice had not been given, that lie would call the attention of the house to. The first point was regarding some places which had been expressed in the original bill as pa rishes, and which he would propose that there should be substituted " Towns," fur the word parish. (Hear, hear, hear.) He cited as one instance that of Brighthelm. atone, which had been design:veil the pariah of Brighthelm crone, and his amendment would be, that it should be de aignated the town of Brighthelmstone. The next point was relating to the period that the bill should come into active legislation. The original date fixed for the commencement of taking the registrations, had been the Ist of November of the present year, but it had since been considered impossible to have the lists completed by that time, and they proposed ' to change the day of commencement till the Ist of February, 1832. This last alteration would necessarily involve other alterations, two In number, regarding the periods up to which rates and taxes were to be paid : the dates of which would be put forward the same proportion of time. They had also taken into consideration the suggestion of an 000. member (Mr. Wilkes) regarding the property of the booths to he used at elections, and they would, as an amendment, I propose that the parties, if they might find it more couve. I nient, should be allowed to hire a house for the purpose I of the election, or they might employ a booth if they chose. There was one point more important than all these, which his noble friend (Lord Althorp) had, in his (Lord J. Russell's) absence, pledged himself should be re-considered relating to four counties in Wales, namely, Glamorgan. shire, Carnarvon, Denbigh, and Pembroke. These had been taken into consideration, and they would propose that one member additional be given to two of them. These were the only amendments that he thought required to be given notice of ; but there were a number of minor amend ments of no importance, which would be introduced on bring ing up the report of the bill. Mr. GOULBUIIN thought it of importance ' before pro ceeding farther, that some arrangement should be made re garding the third reading of the bill; he thought that ministers should name the day it was intended to be read a third time. Lord ALTHORP said there was some difficulty in making such an arrangement ; but at the same time he ac knowledged that It would be desirable to have a specific day in view; and he would state that it was the intention of Ministers to name Monday next.—(Cheers.) CROKER though it a matter of the deepest im portance that there should be some restraint on the power of the Commissioners. He was also desirous to know the full extent of all the alterations that were to be proposed. Lord J. RUSSELL said that beyond what n_ had stated the alterations were merely trifling where blanks had to be filled up and technical alterations made. Sir C. WETHERELL put a question, and then objected to the alteration of the dates regarding the rates and taxes, which, he said, would make a material difference to those who were ratepayers. Lord J. RUSSELL said the reason why he had stated that the alterations would be mcutioned when the report was brought up, was because they were merely matters of course, those which were alterations really he hid particularly laid down. Mr. GOULBURN thought the bill should be before them, as It was to be, before they could be called upon to give their opinion. Mr. CHOKER proposed that the bill should be brought in pro forma, and that It should be reprinted entire. Lord ALTHORP said they had been under the necessity of filling up several of the dates at random, and on account of the length of time they had been engaged in debate, which they could not have calculated upon, they had consequently been necessitated to make alterations ; but these alterations could make no difference in the principle of the bill. Sir C. ‘VETHERELL was nut satisfied with the expla nation given. He said it would make a great difference to many who would be affected by it. There were now three or four boroughs to be added to the bill, and these ought first to be insetted. The only way would be to bring in the bill pro forma. Mr. C. WYNNE wished to know when the bill was to be completed. It had yet to go through the other house of parliament. Lord J. RUSSELL replied, that the registration, which was to commence on the Ist of February, would be finished on the last day of April. Sir O. MURRAY wished to know since alinisters had made an alteration in the represenfition of Wales, if they intended to make any alteration in Scotch representation, that the population might, in the mean time, lay their case before them. Lord ALTHORP said, that thoglad not determined on any alteration regarding Scotland, but there was nothing to prevent the population representing their cases. Mr. C. FERGUSON did think that there were instances in Scotland that required revision more than any that were in Wales. He also thought clause 42 was deficient. Lord ALTHORP explained. Mr. HUNT said, he was pleased with the alterations that had been mentioned by the noble lord ; but in the 49th clause there had something been forgotten. It would not inconvenience the candidate, but it would be a great incon. venience to the electors. No provision had been made to give notice to the electors what booth they were to vote in ; they might easily ascertain what district they were registered in, but they ought to have notice in time before an election where that booth was to be situated. Lord ALTHORI" thought the clause was sufficiently explicit. Mr. HUAIE agreed with the observations of the lion. Member for Preston. Mr. BARING wished to know if the whole Board of Commissioners were to dictate to the divisions of that body. Lord ALTHORP bald, it was the intention of the Go vernment not to interfere. The SPEAKER then put the question that the report be read. He said, it was necessary, before proceeding farther, to inform them of the legal way in which the amendments were to be moved. The Right Hon. Gentleman then, at some length, laid down the law, which was so subtle, ap rently, that he bad some difficulty in tusking some of the Honourable Members comprehend it. The report was then admitted to be read, in the course of which, Lord ALTHORP moved a number of verbal alte rations, which were speed to. Mr. TREVOR, on the clause relating to qualifications, objected to persons paying 101. being qualified to vote in London and its vicinity, as, he said, it amounted ut tl. sal suffrage. He would move, uan amendincm, qualification for franchise should be raised front lul. to Jo• in London and its and mercantile towvins. cinity, and in oeiter large mat.l4..c.et: The SPEAKER informed the hon. member that lie e my specify the name of the towns which he meant in the niuti,, g , The amendment was agree d to. Scv.ral otl, vet 4 amendments were agreed to. Mr. R. TREVOR proposed as an air caL:ent to 1 1 - . park of clause 272 which requires that freemen, to r,,ain elective right, should reside within seven mils ut th e city or borough of which they are fret-men, that the word should be substituted for 7 seven.' Lord A LTHORP considered ten miles too great a distaste Mr. 1111011 ES wished the hon. member would make 1.. amendment' fifteen miles,' :,Ilowicg to town voters the sace diatance from the place of voting which was allowed I , county elector*. Mr. GISBORNE opposed, and Colonel SIaTIIOIIPE sup. ported, the amendment. Mr. ESTCOURT asked what reason had induced M:. nhters to lix on the number " seven." Lord J. RUSSELL said the reason was, that seven milts was a distance wilt& the voters could conveniently travel oa foot, occasioning no expense of conveyance to the candidate. After a few words from Mr. PROTHEROE, and (AL / Hon. Members, Mr. TREVOR said, he changed his amendment fres: " ten" to " tileen" miles. Air. CROKER hoped the hon. member would n.); prett his amendment to a division After a few words from Sir C. VITHERELL, anl Lard J. RUSSELL, Mr. TREVOR said he withdrew his amendment. The Clerk having come to that part of the bill cl names commissioners, Mr. CROKER said he reserved his observations on :ids part of the bill for the third reacting. Colonel SIBTHORPE protosted against members of a house being appointed connitissioners, especially when a• pointed exclusively from the ministerial side. Lent J. RUSSELL said one of the members appoint, had voted against the second reading of the reform bill. Sir It. VVVICAN considered it unconstitutional to in. trust to ti irty individuals the power (which this clause gave them) of reguloting the borough constituency of England. The clause under consideration gave to the Commissioner, an almost despotic power over the boroughs. The bill would never pass while it contained such a dagrant violatiou of all constitutional principles. (Hear, hear.) It could never pass the ether house unless a batch of peen tver, created for the express purpose of passing it. (Corers.) Colonel SIBTHORP then moved that the names of J. Littleton, Esq. D. Gilbert, Esq. and J. Wrottealey, E. be struck out from the list of Commissioners. Lord INGESTRIE scconded the amendment. Lord J. R USSELL said it was desirable that there shock'. be among the commissioners members of the house, who might explain to the house, when the report of tie: commissioners was submitted to it, the reaso:;s wbie:: Ind influenced the commission in its operations. Mr. Littleton and Mr. Wrolesky were eminently qualified for the office of commissioners. Mr. D. Gilbert was dis. tinguished fur his scientific knowledge. Ministers were ac mud of appointing Ministerial members. Now, one of the Circe members had voted against the second reading of the Reform Bill. The member for Radnor, an opponent of the bill, had been requested to form part of the Commission, bu t he had refused. He contended that the Commissioners ge nerally were free from party feeling, and if the hen. membe (Sir IL Vyvyan) brought forward any charge against them• tie ( Lord IL) should be ready to meet that charge, and to. assert that the gentlemen of the Commission were as qua. Inject by their acquirements, their science, their in. telligence, and their int.grity, to discharge their duties as any gentlemen who could have been proposed (Hear.) The bon. Member (Sir R. Vyvyan) in his declarations, which had r,minded him of the declamations he had made us: of on the day of the dissolution—declamations suggested on that occasion, he (Lord It.) verily believed, by an antici. potion of his defeat in the county of Cornwall. The hon. member, he said, bad forgotten in his declamations abut: the despotic power confided to the Commissionets, that their decisions were not to be valid unless sanctioned and adopted by the two Houses, and by the King. (Hear.) He would meet the affirmation of the hon. member, that the Reform Bill would not pass, by a contrary affirmation; he cull affirm that the bill would pass. (Immense cheering.) The feeling of the country in its favour was unabated— (cheering continued)—and that feeling, together with the Inherent merits of the bill—(cries of Oh and cheer).- would, he trusted, secure its passing into a law. He null not follow the hon. member in his indiscreet allusions to the other house, further than to say that he was sure the bill would receive from It that consideration to which it was es. tided, u having had the deliberate consideration and cordial approbation of a House of Commons elected by a people called to exercise their elective franchise for the special par. pose of appointing a House of Commons which should et. present their feelings with respect to the ministerial measure. Mr. LITTLETON rose, but was met by crio e: " Spoke." Mr. CROKER said the honourable member had a right to speak as he had not addressed the house since the amend. meet was put. The SPEAKER said, in that case the hon. member had a right to speak. Sir A. V V V VAN said be had been taunted for having lost his election, but he would tell the noble lord that though now a member for a simple borough, he had as much rode. pendence as the noble lord. He declared that Ministers had raised, by the late dissolution, a spirit amongst the people which they would be unable to allay. When Ministers made what they called their appeal, they were in contradiction with themselves, because they were appealing to those whom they pronounced to be unworthy of the elective franchise. He knew Ministers had the power to secure the passing of the bill through the Peers by a single dub of the pen, but that dash of the pen would be attended by a responsibility so terrific, that he trusted Ministers would shrink from it. The condition of the country was most lamentable, with res pect to its future prospects; but when the people looked maturely at the bill, to determine whether it would be suf. ficient to secure the permanent interests of the country, be thought an important change would be produced in their opinions. (Hear, hear.) Mr. H. GURNEY said the Hon. Baronet had made an eloquent speech upon the whole Bill, but he had said nothing whatever respecting the clause before the House : (hear.) If the Bill was to pass, there could not be a fairer list of Commissioner than those appointed by his Majesty's Government.—(Hear.) Mr. A. BARING complained of the powers given to the Commissioners under the BilL Mr. HUNT thought that too much power had been given to the Commissioners appointed under this bill. He asked the House if they bad read the observations of a leading journal yesterday (laugh) He deprecated the attack that bad been made upon the Peers, and if he were a Pew (a laugh), he would rather sacrifice his dignity (laughter) and his property, than be forced into any course of conduct hos• tile to his wishes. He wished this bill to pass (laughter); he did not care whether it passed or no (increased laughter) It was his opinion, however, that the bill would pass, hut he deprecated the threats used by the noble lord, the Par. master of the Forces. . alt. H. GRATTAN begged in reply to the bon. baron,' (Sir R. Vyvyan) to say, that the people of England would be heard despite of the attacks of the hon. baronet, who ad. vocated one side upon one occasion, and another side upon another. Mr. GOULBURN objected to Mr. Littleton being oat of the commissioners under the bill. not on account of personal character, but because he was a member of OW House, and who tad taken a part in the proceedings Itt• pecting the question of Reform. Lord ALTHORP thought the objection of a member c: Parliament, who was friendly to the bill, being appointtd. commissioner, was a most frivolous one. ,Mr. CHOKER wished his hon. and gallant friend (a Sibthorp) to withdraw his motion. Colonel SIBTIIORP acquiesced in the suggestion ter t • right hon. friend. After some further observations from Mr. C. Wynn, LA , '• Althorp, Mr. Goalburn Mr. Croker, Mr. Trevor, Sa Vyvyan, Lord J. Russ ell, Sir G. Clerk, Mr. S. Wortl,,. and Mr. Estcourt, the clause, after some amendments. tom agreed to. Several other clauses up to the 29th were also, after son , amendments, agreed to ; and on the motion of L ord AltiturF the Report was ordered to be taken into futher considers , tion to-morrow, (this day.) The other Orders of the Day were then dispouti 0:: and the House adjourned at Two o'Clock. The King has expressed, by a letter from alts Secretary of .tare to the Commissioners of Police. C ol ° 3 ` l Rowan and Mr. Mayne, his approbation of the conduct t: the Police fora at the C oronation.