Star. — London, England, 1831-08-19 00:00:00

se • • TOE CORONATION. 270,00 families in indolence and luxury, and wield nubs tall a milliun of labourers, with their families, In a bettor ccnditin.l than their present one, giving to them, /ode, from 241'. to 30!. a year ? Why not aseribs their wrstehedamo and depravity to the effectsof own laws, high mots, dam, acme ittinl, anti die law of primolturs,Arith its entailed roperty, and its entailed pauperism P—Why not attribute then] to a sy.orm of unequal'and unbearable ft:Aim—Bow .teange, that we never hear the clergy and magistracy cent }lain of the " inbuoralitt" of heaping pensions, and places, and sinecure,. sat! factitious appointments, on men, many sf whom titiave a halter, rather than maintenance at the isblie cost. They never complain of the " immorality" of w•ineing from us Butke's pension of P,5001, • year, though liztrke is dead since 1797, and was, whilst living, one *f the )..i;!cr.s , enemies of those who pay his pension. You I rt er them petition against the " immoralities" of the inf ofiktrehy, who, since the beginning of the reign ot fi'.orce 1, have robbed the people of more money to be .taw on the families of Grenville and Dundas, than it took to support the whole civil government of America during the same period ; that oligarchs', under whose dominion we bare been plundered of 700,00:4. to cover the single sinecure ai the,: late Marquis of Buckingham and of as much for the Marquis of Camden ; whilst Lord Arden, the Seymour', she Knoxes, the Dukes of Richmond and Otafton, Lords Mahan and 'Melville, the Marquis of Bate, and several ethers (welt-known characters), have devoured, at an ave. rage, hardly less than half a million each of public money during the lam forty years. Alas! alas! our clergy will write pamphlets against tea-garden!, deliver charges against " heresies," encourage prosecutions against " infidels," pre sent petitions against beer-drinking, and take fright in all manner of ways at the amusements and follies of the poor; but not a word of rebuke have they for the spolistions of the rich—not a word against the follies of Almack'a, the dissipation and short petticoats of the Opera—the clubs of Waterloo-place, the diabterie of Crockford's. and the other hells of St. James's—not a word against " taxation without representation !"—not a word against the stamp duties and ether taxes on knowledge—not • word against tithes, sine- 1 cures, pluralities, or the game-laws—not a word against the " immorality" of giving the whole real estate to the eldest son, and then quartering the rest (as pampered and whiskered destroyers) on the industrious community—not a ward against marble archways and palates that cost millions ! tat, no ! these are all follies and " Imntoralities" of " fa shionable 11, presentative. 1M PE RI RIA A3l ENT. 1101'SE OF LORDS, A uouvr 18. L'Td TVNTFIDEN, in the absinne of the Lord Chancel lor, took his seat upon the Woolsack shortly before five o'clock The E' rise Duty on Candles Repeal Bill, and several private hills, were brought up from the House of Commons by Mr. Green and others. klr Johnson. from the Chief Secretary's Office (Ireland), brought up the papers ordered in the ease of the " King v. Ol'onnell and cement." Earl DBOSV ENO R presented a petition from an indi v'dnal who had been travelling for sonic time, and who wa■ surprised, upon coming hack, to find that the reform bill we. still in committee, praying that the bill might be passed v. ithot delay. The noble earl at the same time presented petitions fur the abolition of negro slavery, and from an indivnal wt.° /NA erected a statue to the late king, praying for com per•sation. The Bishop of LONDON presented a petition from St. Mary's, Paddington, against the beer bill. 't h e Disembodied Mittia Bill, on the motion of Earl G ti EY, was read a third time, and passed. • On the motion of" Lord TENTER DEN, the Arbitration aril futo.plcatler's ilills wet..? read a second time. The several lulls upon the table were forwarded a stage. Lord STE ANG FOR D wished to ask whether the noble earl opposite was ytt honoured with bis Majesty's commands reflecting the coronation ? and whether the Pears were to he represented by 0 e senior of each class, or do homage in Orie own persons ? The latter course would subject the elovernment to no expense, and the manufacturers would hare just right to complain of the economy of the arrange. torn's, if it were adopted. There was another point upon elt:ch he was also desirous of obtaining information, and that was; whether it was intended to derive the Peeresses of their usual procession on such occasions from Westmin ster Abbey ? Earl GREY replied, that homage and all the other are. monies were intended to be performed, as on the occasion of the etwoustion of George 111. Ton Marquis of LONDONDERRY thought that the country would be put to no expense by requiring all the Peen beo !teenage in person. It would, however, be us. kind to deprive the Peeresses of their procession, and he hoped his Majesty would alter bis mind, sod announce that the procession of the Peeresses was not to be omitted. The Committee on the Agricultural Labourers' Bill. and also upon the Lunatic Bill, were postponed until Moo. day next. 1 i 1.1. 11', I'4 i •. • . ; r 1 . { 6 il P. 'il r: ! h t i TUE SEEK ACT AHANDUINT BILL. The Huse then went into Committee on the User Act Amendment Bill. The Drake of %WELLINGTON asked whether the noble Lord .bad introduced any claure for limiting the hours of kt •:ii;.g stw beer house, open ? Lord E LDOURN E replied that there would be a great difficulty in having those houses closed earlier than :public houses, bet he had no objection that the new beer-shops in the country should be closed earlier than those in town. The 'wirers intended to be given to :hc police, would, he thought, emote all objections. The Duke of WELLINGTON observed that he had no wish to hold out a temptation to the labourers to go to pub lic houses. It might pobahly break down the monopoly of the brewers, but, as a matter of pollee, it bad failed entirely Is‘t year. Lord MELBOURNE replied that another year and a Lair at least would he required, before they could fairly judge I ow the nnyter worked. Lord TRNTERDEN expreaard himself in favour ofearly ;t••urw 'll.e Bishop of LONDON was anxious to have the hours f bceping open on Sundays limited. He also wished to It tee a clause irsetieti, rendering skittle.grourds attached to b..,•r.howes illegal, Mier ft few words from Lord Wmtwinx. lord WY NFOII also expresstd it as Ms opinion, that ti :re should be a 'irritation fixed to the bouts of keeping uston. The Earl of BA lINARYON said that, from the natural indolence of constables, who were the most intificient ant. tr..,41a breathing, little check ecuid be hoped for. Ibe eases of the tountry ard the town houses would be different, and Is , therefrne hoped that proper legal definitions would be made. The existence of these houses in the country were universally deemed injurious, and a single yeses experiment wonid sicken the Government against the bill. Lord ltl KILBOURNE obsetved that it was intended to hare a provision introduced into the bUI for closing these idols% from eleven to one o'clock, and at ten o'clock on nutst Flys. The Bishop of LONDON was anxious that no skittle. grounds should be attached to thaw houses. There were manly and generous games in which the peasantry might indulge, hut this was a game which ought not to be per., mated. Tne right reverend prelate then proposed, as an amendment, that the persons to whom licenses were granted should not, under the penalty of 40s. allow skittles to be plAyed on their premises. After a few words from Lord SI xxsouaws and the Bishop of LANDOW, Lord TRNThRDRN moved se en amendment, that the police should be at liberty to enter the premises at all hours ue the day. The Earl of SHAFTESBURY then put the amendment moved by the Bishop of London, which, after some mover. sstion between Lord Melbourne, Lord Leasdown, the Duke ol Wellington, and the Right Reverend Prelate, was with ((sewn. The Bishop of LONDON next moved as an amendment, that new beer houses should not be allowed to be open after sc ven o'clock on Sundays, Good Fridays. and Christmas days, but, after some observations, mounted to postpone it. The Karl of SHAFTESBURY then reported progress sad the bill was ordered to be taken into consideration again on Monday. Turton's Divorce Bill passed through & committee, and W 3% ordered to be recommitted on Moods,. Tnc Earl of WESTMEATH b oug ht in a bill to sawed the several Aeta.paral the pueisltyt peewee. rived of berates ,#epe la lielaeL—Tba bill sae read erst Bute. The house adad a at Illaltpast Mx *ICU& _ ) 4'l 01/1111=110tn. '1 "di 14. Me.SADLlßitereeted. a *Midis Ores the *Ohm if a re* I. the titre( gidbirbed anali„typir by ~ the Lord Mayen. praying the house to tole into its earliest consideration the state of Ireland. Mr. BAILLIE presented aspetition from Bristol, against the refining of sugar. Mr. BURGE supported the prayer of the petition. Mr. ROBINSON moved for a return of all offices and appointments in the British dominions, the duties of which are discharged by deputies, with room of mnuneration. rdered. Sir B. FERGUSON presented *petition from the dis tillers of Londonderry, against the drawback on the duty on malt; also a petition from the Merchants of the same place, against the alteration of the wine dutie.. Lord HOWICK presented a petition from the county t.f Northumberland, against the um of molusses in distillation. Also a petition from Newcastle, against the duty on marine insurances. Also a petition from the Mauritius, praying for a !eduction of the duty on sugar. The noble lortl then rose to move that an order made on the previous day, upon the motion of 111 r. Burge, for the produce of certain documents connected with the emancipa tion of slaves in the Government colonies of the West In dies, be mcioded. The terms of the motion would include a document, which, being a communication from the Go. vernor of one of the West India Islands to the Government at home, it was most desirable that that communication should not be laid upon the table of the house. Mr. BURGE said if the Noble Lord would assure him that the document in question was of a confidential nature, be would consent at once to the alteration of his motion. Lord HO%VICK said that the paper was not strictly coo- Mended. but he would say that its production would lead to Mr. BURGE consented, under these circumstances, to the alteration in question. Mr. LEFROY presented a petition from the Corpora tion of Barber-Surgeons of the city of Dublin, against the Reform bill. Mr. HUNT pratented a petition from the Kensington and Hammersmith Branch of the National Union, praying that they might have a Member under the Retains bill, and that every one paying taxes might have a vote, and be protected by the ballot. Also a petition from an individual, praying that the Inbolvent Debtors' Act may be extended to the hie of Man. Mr. Li T.T LRTON presented a petition from an indivi dual in Stalfildshire, praying for a reduction of the duty on fire insurances upon agricultural property. Mr. BY NG presented a petition from St. James's, West. mintier, against the Select VestritaAet. Mr. O'CONNELL pesented petitions from places In Inland, against the grant to the Kildare street Society, and against the Subletting Act. Mao a petition from an indi vidual residing in London, in favour of Poor Lava in Ire. land. Mr. WESTERN presented a petition front Colchester, apinct the use of molasses in distillation; and a similar petition from Saffron Walden. Mr. HUME moved for a copy of the Report of the Commissioners fcr legal inquiry into the cases of Lesure and Escoftry, in 1826 and 1827. He was sure the House would not consent to vote 16,0001. on account of faults committed by the Jamaica Government, without seeing the Report Lard NOWICK would not object to the production of these papers; but if the report were produced, it must be followed by many ether papers which would necessarily be' required, and that would incur great expense. After all that Ind been done,:to what practical good would the motion of the bon. member lead ? The Government was pledged to :pay the sum alluded to by the hon. member. What therefore, was the use of going to an expense of 6,0001. to print papers under such circumstances? Mr. II UNIE said, that he could contract to furnish the papers which he wanted for 601. Mr. BURGE said, that the matter alluded to by the bon. Member for Middlesex had been fully discussed by the most competent authorities, and he was therefore opposed to the production of the papers alluded to by the Hoo. Member. Dr. LUSH I NUTON went into a short' statement of the use of the two individuals in question, and that Mr. Can ning took up the subject of compensation on the pert of the Government, and Lord Bathurst appointed him (Dr. Lush ingten) and Mr. Couttenay, and upon a a solemn %veal gado; of the facts, a report was made in favour of the individuals to the extent mentioned by the hon. member foe Middlesex. Under all these circumstances, he thought that it would be too late to have this investigation renewed. Be therefore thought that it would be most unadvisable to have the papers called for by the bon. member for Middlesex. Mr. HUME did not think that government ought to be obliged to pay for faults committed by a colonial govern. meat. He also thought that this house ought not to grant money without Infonnatios. It ought to be stated to the house whether any and what offers had been made to get the money from the government of Jamaica. He should not, however, press his,motion.—Motion withdrawn. A messenger from the House of Lords brought up several private bills, which had been agreed to by their lordships. RECIPROCITY TRZATY BETWEEN PRANCE AND MIDLAND. Mr. ROBINSON beigeits draw the attention of the house to a most important subject connected with the commerce of the country. It was to be recollected that, in January, 1828, a treaty of reciprocity was entered into between this country and France, for the purpose of lessen ing the burdens upon c o mmerce. O ne o f the articles of the treaty stipulated that all French goods and merchandises should be imported into this country in French bottoms.— This treaty did not come into operation until the 6th of April, 1826 ; but on the Bth of February, In that year. when the treaty was promulgated in France, it was accompanied by an ordinance raising all the duties in France. The eon• sequence of this was, that the English ships were obliged to pay a higher rate of duty in the French porta than French ships paid in British ports. The French say that they ad. here to the letter of the treaty, but sure he wan that they vio lated the spirit. He contended that the policy of France was prohibition, while England, on the contrary, was adopt. ing a different course. He would just mention that Shish vessels of 110 tons paid tonnage duty amounting to 901, besides quarantine and other duties. French vessels, on the contrary, generally speaking, never paid more in Bri. ash ports than one third of the duty paid by English vessels in French ports. The charge in French ports for towing in English vessels was seven francs per too, while the tonnage charge in England on Fr enc h vessels, was only three shillings per ton. The object of his motion was to call for information respecting the communications made by this Government with the Consul-General at Paris, and his answers out the subject of this reciprocity treaty. to enable the House and himself to judge how far the French Go vernment had really attended to the purpose for which the treaty had been entered into. If, however, he was told that the Government were then coositltring the subject, and that it would be unadvisable to lay before the House any communications on the subject, as a disclosure of the cornupondence might be premature, he should not press his motto, but be must impose upon the Govern meat and the House the great importance of this subject to the commercial interests of this country. The Honour able Member then concluded by making a motion to the effect just stated . Ldrd PALMERSTON said that the subject alluded to by the hen. gentleman was then under discussion; the car. respondence was still going on ; it would therefore, in his opinion, be not dimly inconvenient but highly detrimental to the interests of the country to lay before the house the coin munications adverted to. k wits mot for him then to say that the French properly understood the treaty in question, because he was then engaged in skewing to the French Go vernment that the treaty was not properly understood by them. (Hear.) He trusted that. ender all the drams stances of the ease, the hoo. gentleman would see the pro. priety of withdrawing hie motion for the present. When the time arrived. be could assure the house that he would give every information on the subject. Mr. ROBINSON hoped that until this matter was fully and satisfactorily arranged, his Majesty's Government would not make any further concession to Fraser. SMUGGLING IN TEE CITY. Mr. HUNT wished to put a question to the President of the Beard of Trade. He had been Informed that very cot.. sidteable salaams at silks had taken place in the city, namely, in Gutter-lane, Newgate.street, and Fiest.street. The silk in question was found - at the agents of scene Alum or four large houses in the city, these houses being In fact the real deli dents. He wfitha to know if Government hod had any information on the subject, and if s *, ho Mimed to know what course was intended - to be adopted on the subject P Mr. P. THOMSON said that government bad been ap. prised of tbe matter sagas& to by the boa member, end he clald assure the bon. member and the house that the fullest Me the law would be carried into 'Abet against the toecemod In the transaction in questiots. Meal/NT raid that, If some three or four great bowie duo do , Ism watched by maim employed in the pre. Motive service, a very greet good would be doss to the TRH IRISH TZOILIIIRT. 0 The Itfarquis of CHANDOS wished to know If it was the intention of the Government to disarm the Irish Yea msnry ? Lord ALTBORP said that his Right Hon. Friend the Secretary for Ireland intended to introduce same masque respecting the corps alluded to by the Noble Marquis, rs leave:to their regulation. These measures, when fully con sidered, would be laid before the howls. Under the eir commoners of the measures in question not being A d dy matured. be could not give a direct answer to the question of the Noble Marquis. The conversation dropped. POOR LAWS IN IRILAIID. , Mr. SA DLER rose to bring forward his motion on this subject. Mr. O'CONNELL begged his hon. friend to postpone his motion for the present. Giving his hon. friend great for his humanity, he yet thought that, under existing stances, the Reform Bill not having yet been gone patit would be unadvisable to bring the question of s before the House. (Hear.) Mr. SA DLER could not think of postponement, unless the Chancellor of the Exchequer would give him some open 'day in the course of the ensuing week, for bringing the sub ject of Irish pool laws before the House. The CHANCELLOR of EXCHEQUER said he would give up Monday week to the hon. gentleman to bring on the question. (Hear, hear.) Mr. SADLER consented to accept the day proposed by the Noble Lord. HELGIIIII AND THE FRENCH TROOPS. Sir R. VVVY AN thought that the time had arrived when his Nlajcsty's Government ought to give information on the subject which he was then about to bring under the consideration of the House. Let it not be said that, in put ting the question, he meant to embarrass his Majesty's go vernment, for his object was, did he not get a satisfactory answer to his questions, to afford his friends who agreed with him an opportunity of delivering their opinions upon the subject. bet it not be said too, that he was likely by his remarks to produce a Ica, for war had already commenced sometime since. lie ahnuld not allude to Portugal. He should confine himself to Belgium. He should Sup po‘e the separation of I.l.lgiurn had been acceded to by the four powers; but the enthronement of Leopold, instead of leading to peace, had produced a war. He had consented to postpone his motion relating to Belgium, In consequence of the Noble Lord (Palmerston) having in formed him, that France was to withdraw her troops, upon , the DMeh declaring that they should do the same thing.— I But what was now the rumour ? Why, that the French I were to keep thirty thousand of their men in Belgium until the expense of the war was paid by Holland, and the Dutch troops disbanded. (Hear, hear.) This was a question which affected the honour of England. This was not a mere question of an attack by the French troops upon the King of Holland : it was a matter affecting the honour of England, Austria, Rus.la, and Prussia. (Hear, hear.) The King of Holland had been charged with breaking an armistice without giving notice, but this be (Sir R. Vyvyan) denied. Notice had been given over and over again. After alluding to certain protocols, the hon. member alluded to the diflicul des of adverting to all matters connected with the Belgic tismtion in consequence of want of information. The people of Belgium, despite of the Conference, proceeded to elect a Sovereign, and did in fact elect Prince Leopold. The present King of Belgium went to Belgium, knowing that he must take an oath that he would preserve certain boundaries, and knowing at the time that the King of Holland could not consent to those places being given up to Belgium. The King of Holland, in going to war, might have acted in opposition to the Conference, but he at least acted with honesty and manliness towards the Dutch. (Hear, hear.) The honourable member then alluded to the opinion of some of the French journals, which declared that the King of Holland had not acted unfairly. lie would now revert to the revolution of France, owing to which, when peace had been established, it became necessary that a code of nations should be formed, to prevent a similar occurrence to that alluded to by him. In the course of the arrangements adopted at the Congress of Vienna Belgium was annexed to Holland. He was not now arguing upon the propriety of Belgium having been joined to Holland. Indeed, he was of opinion, considering the jealousy and ill feeling that existed between these two coun ties, that it was most imprudent to have joined them. The Hon. Dart, then alluded to a portion of the treaty of Vienna, from which it appeared that the Duchy of Luxembourg was ceded to the King of the Netherlands. The King of Rogland, as King of Hanover, Russia, Freesia, and the Princes of the Germanic Confederation, the Duchy of Luxemburg to the King of H sod new it was derided that Luxemburg should feria a pan of the Belgic kingdom, in violation of the former aneenter. The Conference ought to have compelled the D-res to adhere to the treaty of the Derutenic Osallidenelen. The quesdes is, evea Angulo( that Lusembeng was to Beighters, if the Daehy of Ltireinburg Assad atilt MI part of the Germanic Confederal (Hoar, hear ). for if Bel. glum was to form a pan of that CaitYdssdsa, it was im possible that Belgium could sustain *self. With reopen. to the thenetee of the King of Holland, as to whether he wee the bigot that be was represented s (Hear, bear, frees lin. O'Coosiell.) He thanked the honourable sod learned mew bee fee that cheer. He understood the cheer well. The soweendiate pesesdad the revolutions in France and Belgium that had boss sometime since adopted in Dublin : (Hear ben.) la ISO, the King of the Netherlands though; perm., guilds 'Main Wins with regard to educatis% that mho& shed' 'be aesablished under the bishops, sad the Pitikweglikol Why in Louvain, and that no who was dilated abroad should have any vane is the ministradin et affairs in Belgium. • A diesowies tea place upon these edicts, and modifications wan neetnesil to in 1829. The question of education was after esenidentell in council; it was also stated that the king would net onesent to the jury law. This question was d is cussed is rho chamber, and decided against by a large majority at doped's, an d it was not proper to o f the stigma on the ajteis* upon the chambers. He was not sorry at whet _ in France last year, although war was the consequences. He was DIN sorry that Charles she Tenth lost his throne like James the Second, In his attempt to put down the charter granted by his pre decessor. The distinction between that case and the case of Belgium was, that one was just, and the other rebellion.-- (Hear, hear.) He would call upon the Government not t o be afr aid of the revolutionary spirit abroad, and that they would not give away step after step, bending and succumb ing to doctrines of a revolutionary tendency, bot makes bold resistance against soy attempt that might be made to com promise the honour of this country. He wished to know from his hon. friend if his Majesty's Government were at last apprised of the intentions of the French. If there was any necessity for war, he was sure that the people of this country would support the Government. The best way to preserve poem was to be prepared for war. There was 0 party in France that was busy in exciting dm ancient preju dices between Fiance and England. An alliance with France to force terms:on Holland, would be &disgrace to &gland. His motive in bringing forward the motion, was to give his AISPIST I S Government an opportunity to explain their po, Ray. a concluded by moving for copies of all the prom. cols and treaties connected with the affairs of Holland and & O u r' - - Cord ELIOT said that he believed that Halliard in 181$ was adverse to the union with Belgium, and that she, * consideration of the union, pre up several of We in the West Indies. The King of Holland was called a .‘tysant and & dare& He was the ealy4Liag Wise= had not a regular body guard. He believed that bad Increased in wealth end prosperity diwingthf Wiles Ma the revolution was the treason. The Lie lad decided that the Protocol signed the Ida of Imola last contained the fundamental regulations to restore pens to Belgium ; sad in May the Conference dreamed that V the Belgians did not adopt those arrangements bribe Ist of June. that all netoclattoss should terminate, and that Loa Pwwowbl w be recalled. (Heim What mut haw been the surprise of the King of Hollan ) d,when he reosined e on the Sikh of July, the IS articles so at variance with the ate easternplased In the premed of January. fibliww.) The Noble Lord went into a detail oft4e t negotiations between the conference and King wPM4 to the period when fereiptad w* called in to pie. test Belgium, with four millions of, inhabitipp, spin a r opinions. He believed that the meeifeetatioei of that House had lessined die par tbsi 111 ft a Ibk, and be trusted that the 'epee** of 04: egjelean meld douses* the change of danger Oldie 'out bedew. He would mead the mottos ;D . ; ;ow.. Lord PALDIERSTON said he was i ntig tee ledp the temp era t e an d moderate meaner ties wee bro ug h t b e f ore t h e H ouse . H e weal& MS himself, however, of die irreetraity eta* his Into an explatioo of the Attieldm piete r caus „ t h l t..... referred to have Dot hews i "a' '"`"*"'"' be Prejudiced by the of die paws (OM W.. It was not necessity la Mira eater hue a tewliebdoelif fie conduct of the .4101114 9 11011.110 wan one nakve, to enter into an gap eftlessoaduct of the Ciovecepema , for these last nine months. He could not censistostly an surer the question of the Han. Baronet. whether Belgium would farm a part of the German Confederadoa or net. The' some *Mate House had recently pursued upon these sub j.* me, in his mind, most unesestitotionaL It was the ezelasive ve of the Croon to declare war, and yet it to be the derive of the hon. baronet to urge the cansury to war. His Majesty's ministers were responsible hooker conduct, and at the proper period they would not shut from going foto a full disiussion upon thdr policy: It was alleged by many anti-reformers, in arguing against the Reform Bill, that, if it passed into a law, there would be a difficulty in any minister carrying on the public bust- near, from the great infusion of democracy into that house. He was sure that no ministry could experience more unjust annoyance than the present ministry, in the repeated discus sions upon questions of our foreign policy that involved men. 'Pres of vital importance to the interests of the country. He felt it his duty to resist the production of the papers moved for by the hon. baronet. Mr.O'CONNELL said that he would not have trespassed upon the house. but that the hon. baronet had alluded to him. He believed that the Belgians were a most grossly illneated, oppressed, and calumniated people, and they were called re bels. ( !fear.) He perceived that the remark was cheered. He would ask, how did they become subjects ? by a decree of the Congress. And how were they treated ty the King of Holland? why, they were taxed in every possible manner : the distilleries, the meat, she corn, and every consumable ar ticle was taxed. They enjoyed the trial by jury before they became the subjects of Holland, but It was abolished by the King. The public confutation of witnesses was abolished, and the judges were made dependant upon the crown. A decree was issued abolishing the French language, and counsel were obliged to leave the Courts of Justtce, as the proceedings were carried on in the Dutch language, in which they were not conversant. (Hear, hear.) Ihe Chamber was composed of half Dutch and half Belgians, but if the Belgians refused the bribes that were held out to them to support the govern , nient, they were dismissed, and the King had the power to outlaw them. ( Hear.) The press was all but annihilated, and the penalty of death was attached to the offence of publishing anything offensive to the government. On one occasion there were 22 prosecutions commenced against the press in one day; such a fact was enough to make an ex•Attomey-Cieneral's teeth water, (laughter 0 and one person who had been a convict had been paid 25,0001. for libelling the Belgians and raiaing the King. The hon. baronet had accused the Jesuits of being the instigators of the French revolution, and yet he approved of that measure. Such a declaration was rather unexpected from a Tory, in vindication of the efforts of Jesuits to promote liberty. He trusted that he had stated enough to justify the conduct of the Belgians in throwing off a galling yoke that they bore too long. The system of education proposed by the King of Holland deprived any person from keeping a school without a license. The King of Holland interfered with the education and religion of the Belgians, and he entered into trade, bad a share in a distillery, and a sham in various traffics; his conduct went to prove that Dutchmen should be masters, and Belgians slaves. The Government had his full confi dence for their conduct throughout this business, for the King of Holland bad trampled upon every thing that was sacred (cheers.) Mr. ii. TREVOR depreatted the course of secrecy pup , sued by his Majesty's Ministers. Mr. BARING said that it was the duty of any mom. ber of that house to press for information connected with the interests of the country. If the King of Holland was a tyrant, he was the first of the House of Nassau that ever was a tyrant. He thought the world, and this country in particular, was indebted to that illustrious House for the proctection of their liberties. He thought that the remarks of the honourable and learned member for Kerry were unjustifiable, as there was no country in the world where Justice was more impartially administered than in Holland. It was the complaint of the whole race of legitimate Kings against the licentiousness of the Belgian press. (Laughter.) Why, De Potter proved himself so unmanageable a person, that he was rejected by the Belgians since the expuhion o f Dutch. He helloed that it was absurd to think to establish a monarchy between the French and Dutch kingdoms. By giving Antwerp to Belgium, they would ruin her trade, for neither Holland nor France would admit its manufacture. It would be the same as to surround Manchester and Birmingham with walls, and prevent them from intercourse with other parts. Mr. HUAIE was surprised to hear an English Senate parcelling out a kingdom to an independent nation. He regretted to heir it mentioned in this house, that thee tent. vela should be disposed of without consulting the wishes of the people. Sir IL PEEL was not surprised to hear the Hon. Bennet (Sir R. Vrryan) Say, that the time had arrived when this House Amid ti lammed of the circumstances relating to ' the neteselaltielt respecting Belgium, particularly when the 'Pirates of. other powers bad voluntarily made declarations on this sub*. H. did norwish to press discussion, or 'prefer a drug, against his noble friend, when he was pre cluded from answering it ; but though he would not urge foe an explanation at present, he would say that they never was an occasion which more loudly required it. (Cheers.) What, when the King of the French boasted of the tricoloured flag being on the walls of Lisbon, and when the French troops were in Belgium, was it not a sublet that required explanation, that our arms were directed only against Holland and Portugal. (Cheers, and great conk 'ion ; cries of order, order.) Mr. HUME observed that the confusion arose fkom the Mends of the right hon. baronet. An bon. member attributed the noire to Alderman Wood, who plumply denied it. Bir R. PEEL teemed. He entered into an ealogium on the modem of the King of the Netherlsnds,abeeming that Belgium never was so flourishing as it had been dudes the last fifteen years. Was it not fair to infer that the bon. and learned member for Kerry had exaggerated or ever. coloured the conduct of the King of Holland. He did not see what occasion there was for that boisserahle and keened member to traduce his (Sir R. Peel's) friends. It essid as if this was a house for the destfttm (LAngbler.) WIZ friends he would say this, that they wadi net suede any circumstance wring from the impoverishedipeasentre of Ireland a miserable pittance for their own pimpeus, which pittances it appeared they themselves were in want of after. wards. (Loud cheers.) Mr. Alderman WOOD observed that he had been un justly complained of as making noise, whoa in fact he was only asking a quatinn of his Hon. Friend. (The Hon. Alderman was here interrupted by laughter mid confusion.) Mr. HUNT observed that the question we, shadier we should have peace or war. The Right Honourable Baronet seemed to wish that we should go to war with France; but be would tell the Right Hon. Baronet that nothing could be more unpopular in England than a war with France. He as an Englishman wished that the French troops would remain In Belgium until they taught the King of - Holland to refrain from me a t:Lire on Belgium. If there should be a war the rich support it, Ica the poor would not submit to it. The rich might go to war if they pleased. (Laughter.) If any war would be popular in this country, it would be a war In favour of the Poles. (Cries of question.) Sir R. VYVYAN replied. He would not press the mo tioo, Ls consequence of the noble lord having stated that their production would be attended with inconvenience to the public service. The motion was thee withdrawn. TEM RZFOIRM SILL. On the motion of Lord ALTHORP that the house re- Wye itself late a committee at the *arm bill, Mr. KEN] ON propoeto that instroakee be gives to the oxotatteca to give two atewbere to every musty In Wales. Whoa be wooW4 his speech, the Speaker htfeesood Moe that othis*. ti dies referred to clause IS, which was 'beady div Mr. KENTON diem altered the mottos, so u to adept it to the pelmet eseeeisa I_'be qweedes brag loco put tram the Chair. La* AMOR? sinned tbot Wales had no no soft he slavish of the mellows which was made for It in the NIL Two Maskers wen not given to each sung he WAN Ware they was Dot of such importance as the geglisii counties so which additional Menthe:a was given. St C. WETHERELL recommended to his Hon. Fri•nd to withdraw his motion, In consequence of what fill from the Noble Lord. The motion wen withdrawn, and the House went into a Comadttee, end resumed the discussion on clause 16. Oa the question that the wadi lame or assignee be he. gees, Colonel 11BTHORPE ptopseed his amendment, which wee is fleet, that tenants at will should be sodded to a vote. His intendment was, that lases fide tenants sad se aulaaa paying SOL a- ear vent, be entitled to s vote for Kn%bts of the Sbid rThe 101. tenants at will, In counties, woes skcst woe of mins, and ought not to be diegnided woe by this Tho.CHA dot he was given to leadsmen& by die dot be had no objection to *bedsore talkie • Cal. 81BTHORPE said that the mistake which he had falba iota was staibutabb to the aside lord (Alths9). The auteadineut was before the house, and it ought to ta►e it, chews. Cod. WOOD thought that this was the recite time to ham tho amendment introduced into the clause. — The Slarquls of CHANDOS thought that the farmer of SOL a year, would be found to be as sound as a lOL boost. bolder in cities. He therefore thought they ought to km a vote, and be shookd propose an amendment to that effect. —His amendment was, that any person occupying my bow and land of 601. a year, and being in possemioo f ur one year, should be entitled to a vote or member for the county. After a few words from Mr. C. Pelham, Mr. Robinson, Lord Milton, Sir E. Sugden, Mr. C. Wynne, Colonel Sit. timer, Sir C Wetherell, Mr. C. Ferguesen, and Mr. Hunt. Lord MILTON said be looked with jealousy upon any thaw in this system of representation t to copyleolders b e had had no great ob . jection ; but be had eassiderabk to lease holders being admitted into the constituency, because he thought it would have the effect of placing the county rem. mutative in the hands of an oligarchy. He proposed to omit the words—" or who shall hold." Sir E.SUODEN contended that if the proposition of the noble lord were acceded to, the foundation of the bill would be attacked He thought that it was impossible they could refuse seceding to the motion of the noble marquis. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER mid that theoretically the freeholder was the only paws who ought to have the vote, but when they came to look at the matter practically, it was impossible to dens the tight of persons holding for long terms of years. or these, and the r ea . seas stated by the hon. and learned gentleman, he (Lord Althorn) must oppose the motion of his noble friend. After a few words from Col. Davies, Lord Althorn, Mr. Baring, Lord Milton, and Mr. Hunt, the question that the blank be filled up with 60 years was agreed to. The question that the neat blink relative to the qualifice. lion of freeholders, copyholders, and leaseholders, for eizt7 years, be filled up with the words 101. was also agreed to. On the question that the nest blank relative to leasehold. era for seven years, be filled up with 601, The Marquis of CHANDOS moved as an amendment, that any person farming and occupying land, paying a rat of 60L and holding the same for one year, should hare the right of voting. Mr. WESTERN supported the motion of the Noble Marquis. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER could Ca agree with the motion of the noble marquis,;for he (Lad Altborp) could not consent to place the 101. householders is towns and tenants at will in the counties upon the same footing. After some observations from Col. Sibthorpe, Sir C. lits. tell, the Marquis of Chandos, Mr. Mildmay, Alr. limit, Mr. Hodges, Mr. H. Hugh.s, Mr. Alderman Mr. Bolton, BIT. Adeane, Mr. Gisboene, Mr. Sandford, sad Mr. Tyrrell, who severally supported the amendment. Strangers were ordered to withdraw, and the gallery was cleared. The numbers were, For the Amendment .. .• •.. 232 Against it 1411 Majority for the Amendment ee After some conversation between Lord ALTHORT ad the Marquis of CHANDOS, it was ultimately proposed that the Chairman should then report progress, on the radon. standing that the noble lord's amendment should sued part of the clause. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER ramrod his proposition of sitting on Saturday. The CHAIRMAN then reported, progress, and °baled leave to sit again. ; The other Orders of the Day were then disposal of; sad the House adjourned at a Quarter•paat Two o'Clock. REFORMERS WHO IrOINED TILE ANTI REFORMERS IN FAVOUR OF £5O FARMING TENANTRY. Adeane, H. J. Macdonald. Sir J. Amity, Sir J. Marjoribanks, S. Verlag, Sir T. Martin, J. Bayntun, Captain Mayhew, W. &nett, J. Mildmay. P. addisipb, R. M. Mills, J. Blake, Mr F. bionics, Hon H. Bound,, Hon D. P. Moayn. IL M. L. !Toured., P. P. Penrhyn. Brayen. T. Petit, Hoes. Z. Brougham, J. Pryse, P. Burrell, Sir C. Bickford, W. Buck, L. Caney, T. Ridley, T .ar . N. Carter, J. 11 Ilablases. G. R. Clive.. Edward B. SeaMbed. IL A. Colborne, N. W. E. &este, Ws IL D. Davies, Colonel fikipsfith e Mr G. Bala Denison. W. J. 8 fie G. Enron, R. 1 111 =1. R. M. Follies, Sir W, 'Ehrodtmortoo, E. G. Gisborne, T. Townehend. Lord C. Gordon, R. TYrolls C. Greene, T. G. Veeeirks, W. Guise, Sir B. W. Verses. G. H. Gunny, IL H. Violist. Me F. Harcourt. G. V. Weaspaelk, Lord Heathatte, 0. J. Wean, W. R. Hodges, T. L. Webb, Colonel Madras, J. Western, C. C. Hoskin, X. Weyland, ' - Whitmore. Howard, N. _, l r e W. Hughes, Hughes, Colour! WNIIMIT. Sir S. lime, H. SCOTLAND. Johustooe. Sir i. V. AP•v• Jahostooe, Hope Csayllse. W. F. Meg, S. S. OW" W. D. Lee, J. L. H. ISILLAND. Lefevre, C. S. Prowahlk Lanes. Sir C. Fllagleak Hoe L Leonard, T. B. Hort, Shr W. Dsrs. Lloyd, Sir S. P. . . FOREIGN INTELLIGENCE. -.—....... CHAMBER OF DEPUTIES. NIONDAT, Ana. 116. After some seesetheeuts of Oen. Lafayette had bole ea I VA. Ipso peollesi the following amendment 6 Gs le your pm abed% ea toi the wiefertaan d the Mrs, the it ties We with istiethetice a °middy meet Slag, that the 'unsung et the !eke id he The Mos. Wit boob( this ausaiimet ia • suss& et endtheelde 2wileksited Mr. Feld leis mewit i essed fits wild et arelleet: 44 bogs" should he theithei ha the elded iseb • Aft the Eager atlas Seals be d: - amenh stet ansukust of M. Felix Bodin, sod de Whet of M. /pee. the President, apse the 0 the Cheater, dederei the dismal= dosed, = to pa t she anamitheue ot the Lew he se t reseembees beheld thus, elemeeill to the Teta El i r olic Choate; the salbeimithst of N. 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