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frontiers of Belgiuin, after the government of that country should be finally settled. DEBT OF ENGLAND AND HOLLAND TO RUSSIA. Mr. A. BAR INO asked what coune had been adopted by the Government respecting a debt which Russia owed in Holland in 1815, and which this country and Holland eon 'Rented to pay during the time Belgium remained joined to Holland. Up to the present time we had continued to pay ear share of the interest. which amounted to 100,0001. an. Loally ; but he understood that Holland had lately objected to pay her abase. Under these circumstances, he begged to ask what was the course about to be adopted by England un the subject ? Lord PALM E RSTON aaid that the question was one deserving of great attention, and the fact was, that the question whether England under the circumstances was Justly liable, or was released from her engagements; was ,miler the consideration of his Majesty's Government.— ( Hear, hear.) Mr. H. BARING asked if the r.oble lord had heard that Holland had refused to pay her share of that sum ? Lord PALMERSTON had rut been aware of the fact, until mated by the hon. gentleman. She certainly was not as well able to pay as heretofore, owing to her having lost After a few words from Colonel DAVIES, Sir R. PEEL rose to put rome questions to his noble Mind. One of them had been in a great measure answered by the papers laid on the table by the noble lord. which treated of the fortresses in the Netherlands, certain of which, as it appeared, were to be razed or demolished. Another question which he had to put would apply to this point. In the Convention, where It had been agreed that the fortresses in question should be built up, the Powers pre sent were Great Britain, Austria, Russia, and Prussia, France being, for sonic cause or other, excluded. What he wished to know now was this, was France to be a party to the demolition of the fortresses mentioned in the protocol, or were they to be razed solely according to the views of the powers who created Them ? The right hon. gentleman then alluded to the forbearance of the house respecting the foreign affairs of the country, and adverted to th.: speech of the King of the French, in which the fortresses in question were sa:d to be raised to "menace France rather than protect Bel gium." He regretted that the King of the French should have made such a speech, because he (Sir H. Peel) denied that the fortresses in question had been raised to menace France, but to protect Belgium. (Cries of hear, hear). — He regretted the departure from courtesy that was exhi hited in this speech, and he asked how it was that the Sovereign of France could state that all the for tresses were to be demolished, while in fact It only ap. peered, from the papers before the House, that certain of these fortresses only were to be demolished. The right hon. gentleman then alluded to that part of the speech of the King of the French which related. to the French fleet having blockaded Lisbon, and that the French tricolour was waving under the walls of the metropolis of Portugal. From this it would appear, said the right hon. baronet, that that country, which England was hound by treaty to support against foreign aggression or insult, was at the mercy of France. Was this the fart, or was it not ? His second question then was this, was there any objection on the part of his Ma jesty's government to lay before the house copies of any communication that might have taken place either with Por tugal or France, respecting the attack that had been made upon Lisbon by the French, or relative to the affair in any way? Lord PALMERSTON would not go into details at that moment on the sul ject referred to by his Right Hon. Friend. His Right Hon. Friend had rightly stated that he had laid before the hoose a copy of the protocol adopted by the four Powers, namely, Great Britain, Austria, Russia. and Prussia, respecting the number and nature of the fortresses to be demolished, with (as we understood) the sanction of Bigittni. In reply to his Right Hon. Friend, he had to eay that France would not be a Frty to the negociation re si ecting the number and nature of the Belgian fortresses t at were to be demolished. He admitted that the House I not interfered with the foreign policy of the country, end he could assure the house that his Majesty's Government fel, the great kindness of the house in this course of conduct, and he could assure the house that his Majesty's Govern meet were quite widow that, while they preserved peace, tbey should tio so, with I strict regard to the honour of the country. He (Lord Pslmerston) would here observe that, ois mg to the division which would take place respecting the Netherlands, the fortresses in question could not be properly defended by Belgic soldiers ; so that the fortresses would be an ineumbrance instead of an advantage to Bel gium. His right hon. friend expressed his regret at the speech made by the King of the French. Of course, the house could not expect him to offer an opinion upon a composition over which his Majesty's government had no coutroul. (Hear.) But he would say, with respect to Portu gal, that his Majesty's ministers were quite sensible of the treaties by which this country was bound to preserve Portu gal from foreign aggression, and if his Majesty's govern event were aware that either military aid or advice were tie emery in support of the rights of Portugal, they would not be slow to recommend the one, or afford the other. Nor did tee fact of the government of Portugal not being recognised, diminish the value of the obligation on the part of this coun try towards Portugal. But it was to be recollected that Don Miguel had been guilty of conduct towards this country that obliged us to seek satisfaction, and it was but fair to suppose that there were grounds of justification for the conduct of the French, in the proceeding alluded to. However, as the papers op the subject were not yet ready, he could not enter further into the matter ; but when the time came, he would be ready, as would his colleagues also, to explain and justify the conduct which they had pursued respecting' Portugal. Sir R. PEEL heard with great satisfaction that France was not to be a party to the negotiation whereby these for tresses were to be demolished. At the same time, he re gretted that Holland was not to be a party to the negociation seeing that was for the protection of Holland, and not for menacing France that these fortresses were to be demo. hiked. Two millions of British money were advanced for the purpose of improving and securing Holland, as a consi deration for which, the King of Holland ceded to us Deme rara, the Cape of Good Hope, Babb* and Essequibo. Now he (Sir R. Peel) wished to know wha t equivalent the King of Holland was to have for those colonies, if the fortresses were to be demolished ? Lotd PALM ERSTON observed that there were three equivalent" fur those colonies, the payment of a million of money to Sweden, on account of the King of the Nether land*, other revponsibilitin which England undertook on ac cogent of Holland, and the support of those fortresses. Lord MAY NA RD, as we understood, was proceeding to remark on the speech of the King of the French, when be was called to ceder by Sir R. Ferguson, on the ground that there was no question before the house. To a question b i the noble lord, _ _ _ Lord PA UM ERSTON replied that the four Powers had voluntarily taken into consideration the propriety of demo. la.hing the fortresses in question, because they apprehended Crum the altered state of Belgium that these fortresses might be converted to different purposes from those for which they etre de.igned • at the same time he begged to say that he was satisfied that the object of erecting these fortresses was not to menste France, but to protect Belgium. Sir J. DOYLE gave notice that he should move for some papers, on a future day, respecting the relative situation be tween this country and Portugal. He belie►ed that the Ambassador from this country had been, while in Portugal, the Foreign and Home Minister there. After a few words from Colonel EVANS and Mr. BARING, the papers were laid on the table. Mr. CURTEIS presented a petition from Winchelses, in favour of Reform. An Hon. MEstuta presented a petition from Bridport, praying that that borough might be allowed to send two members to patliament. Sir J. W MASH presented a petition from Sudbury, pray ing that that borough migni be allowed to send two members to parliament. Sir O. W A RHENDER presented a petition from Chel sel, praying that the petitioners might be allowed to send members to Parliament. The district in question contained a population of 32,000 persons, 5,000 of whom were 101. householder•, and paying assessed taxes to the extent of 26,0001. annually. If his Majesty's government were giv ing representatives to other large districts, they ought also to give them to this populous and wealthy district. He should, when the proper time came, move that one member be given to Chelsea. Air. HUNT begged to ask the First Lord of the Admi ralty a question. There were, be understood, four post office packets plying between Dover and Cad& He was given to understand that to these four packets five captains were appointed. One of these captains had lately lied, and he wished to know if it was the intention of his Majesty's Government to fill up that appointment ? Sir J. GRAHAM said the appointments in question were made by the Postmaster-Gemini, and not by the Ad. vatralty. He should make the neceseer) inquiry on the subject, and if the honourable member gave notice on the subject, he would report to the House the answer of his Noble Friend, who, he must say, had a strict regard to economy. • THE RETOIM Sue. The House then resolved itself into a Committee on the Reform Bill. Upon the motion that each of the Boroughs in schedule B return one Member to-that House, ISir R. PEEL said tleit he intended to propose that, In stead of one Member, the boroughs mentio ned - in schedule B. should send two Members to that House. If the proposi don were agreed to. the boroughs would of course send two Members to that House; but if, on the contrary, it was lost, he should retrain from discussing the question upon each and every borough in the schedule, and thus the time of the house would be saved. (Hear, hear.) He begged to call the particular attention of the house to the sub ject. The principal of the bill wits to destroy nomina tion bo:oughs, but the very fact of giving one member to the boroughs in schedule B. shcwed that these boroughs were not considered nomination boroughs. He contended that it would be better to 'send two members for a borough to that house, rather than one, and if they acre to pay any attention to the institutions of this coun try, the principle of sending two members to that house from boroughs, was that which had been acted upon ; for out of the various boroughs in England sending members to that house; only five of them sent one each. (Hear, bear.) He admitted that there was &different practice in Scotland, Wales, and Ireland; but he contended that, upon the whole, it would be better to send two members to Parliament for a borough rather than one, because the people might be able to send two members, who, although they might differ politically or otherwise, would fairly represent the views of their consti seems to that house. He untreated all those who were friendly to this Bill to weigh well the reasons he wax about to adduce, and to say whether they were worthy of consideration. They were proceeding to a most important measure; and, assuming that the case of Appleby, the case of Duwnton. and the cases of the other boroughs in schedule A, were irrevocably decided, then the vote of last night had abolished from the representation of the country 66 boroughs. This was a great, an unpre cedented change, and one that altered at least one.fiftb of the representation of the whole country. He divided Eq. land by the Severn and the Wash, and said that the agricul tural districts lay on the one side, and the manufacturing upon the other. The manufacturing districts were upon the north of the line, and the agricultural on the south, and if he showed that there was an unfair preponderance in favour of the north over that of the south, he would, he thought, have established a case on behalf of the boroughs in schedule B. to continue to send two members. The right hon. gent. enumerated the different counties on either side of the line which he had drawn, and said that, of the fi ft y six boroughs in schedule A. five only were nort h of the line, while fifty one were south, so that, out of the 111 members struck off, the country south of the line would lose 101 members, while that on the north would only lose ten. (hear, hear.) The aggregate number of the members of which schedule B. would deprive the northern part of the line was 16, while the southern would lose 41. This arrangement, he contended, was most unjust towards the agricultural interests, and cone of the constructive clauses of the bill made up for this inequality. In schedule C there were 12 towns which were to be enfranchised, and every one of these towns were on the northern side of the line. Again, in schedule D there were 26 new places which were in future to re turn one member each, and of these six only were on the southern part of the line, so that the aggregate profit and loss would be, that the wrath would lose 134 mem bers, while the northern would gain 18. Such an ar rangement was giving an unfair counterpoise to the ma. =km-wring districts, and was placing the agricultural in. tercets in a very unfavourable position. He alluded to the easiness with which the manufacturing interests could combine together, and the influence of the press over that class of persons to whom the elective franchise was to be extended on the northern side of the line. He contended that the inhabitants of small towns, though not so enlightened, were still better, and more independent electors, than those of large towns. The bill, be was satisfied, would shut out men of retiring habits, such men as Mr. Sturges Bourne, and other equally useful members whom he could name, from the house, to the great prejudice of the country. After some further observations upon the effect of the schedule, the right hon. baronet implored the house not to carry the system of destruction further than was absolutely necessary ; for, be would ask, was the constitution so radically bad as to req uire the extent of the changes intended to be effected by this bill? The right hon. gentleman alluded to Sir J. Mackintosh's History of England, and quoted a passage from that work, to show the character of the British Constitution, and that its chief excellence was attributable to its ancient usages and customs. He (Sir R. Peel) therefore hoped that they would be cautious how they did away with the Constitution which had so long given happiness and prosperity to this country. (Loud cheers) Mr. BERNAL (the Chairman) observed, that the amendment proposed by the right boo. baronet was then superfluous. Sir ROBERT PEEL observed, that his intention was, that the amendment should stand part of the clause in the bill Lord J. RUSSELL thought the argument of the right hon. gentleman was not by any means conclusive against the measure. The noble lord referred to the Unions with Scotland and Ireland, and said that those Unions had effected changes Ithough certainly not such extensive changes as those intended to be effected by the present measure. Many places in Scotland and Ireland, which, before the Union, sent two ' members to Parliament, after that period only sent one; and the contests where one member only was sent was gene rally greater than those which took place in the places al lowed to send two. The right honourable gentleman bad ac. Bused the framers of the measure of partiality to the districts to the north of the line which he had drawn ' and to make out ' his case, had gone into an arithmetical calculation. But this calculation was fallacious, for although it was true that the southern districts would be deprived of those boroughs which represented the colonial and commercial interests, yet due attention to the interests of the agricultural ditricts had been paid, by adding to the several counties two more mem bers each. Cornwall was to retain 12 members, and other counties would also have &strong augmentation to their re presentation, so that although a symmetrical line had not been drawn, no interest had been forgotten or favoured. They bad not carried the destruction of boroughs further than was absolutely necessary, and this would appear from the fact of their having permitted to remain 30 boroughs, through the medium of which persons who served the coun try in her financial or political concerns, might obtain ad mission to that House. The noble lord could not see why Mr. Sturges Bourne, or other gentlemen of retiring habits, should not under the new system seek the suffrages of the electors of Leamington, and other places of that description. Sir R. PEEL asked whether the speech of the noble lord could be considered as an answer to his ? It was the difficulty of obtaining the suffrage of the electors of Lea. =and such places, by gentlemen of retiring habits, induced him to move that the boroughs in Schedule B, should be allowed still to return two members. Lord J. RUSSELL replied, that thirty boroughs, which would return sixty members, were, he conceived, quite enough for gentlemen of retiring habits. Mr. SADLER contended that representation ought to proceed upon principles of property and not of population, and that those who contributed most to the taxes and bur dens of the country, were entitled to the largest share in the representation. In framing this bill, he thought that regard ought to have been paid to this scale. He alluded to the changes effected by Oliver Cromwell, in his scheme of re presentation, but observed that these changes proceeded upon principles of property. He denied that an equal dis tribution of county members had been made, and said that the voice of the majority alone ought not to prevail, to the manifest injury of the minority. Those on that side of the house bad ban charged with delay; he denied the charge.— Although he and otner hon. members had wished to speak to the principle of the measure. no opportunity of doing so had been afforded to them.—(Hear, hear.) the honoura ble gentleman then alluded to the venerable character of the Constitution, and the blessings it bad for so many ages conferred upon the country, and concluded by declaring that the work of disfranchisement was an immeasureable wrong, for, by the law of the land, a franchise was property, because the law said that depriving a man of his franchise, was de priving him of his goods and chattels. He implored the Committee to give to every man that degree of influence to which his property entitled him, and be gave notice that it was his intention to bring under the consideration of the Committee important questions connected with the details of this BilL Mr. D. BROWNE said that, as an Irish member, he would have risen to speak upon the English reform bill, bad it trot been for what had passed last night. The hem member here alluded to the case of Baltaab, which had been sold for 12,0001. and contended, hen this and other facts, which had transpired, that the bermigh system was radically bad, and ought to have been swept away altogether. He thought the line of population ought to have been much higher, and foe his part he should wish to see the whole of the boroughs in schedule B, transferred into schedule A. Hs would have preferred a much larger measure of reform, but still be would find no fault with ministers, because he believed they had done as much as it was in their power to do. Mr. WASON said that It would be absurd to imagine that a reformed Parliament would treat schedule B. us per manent measure. A reformed Parliament would most pro bably deal similar destruction towards the boroughs in ache. dole B, that the house had exercised over those in schedule A. Instead, therefore, of allowing the boroughs In schedule B. to return one member each, he would suggest whether it would not be better to render them tributary, and that they should in future be represented by 18 or 19 members, in stead of the number proposed to be given them. Sir T. FREMANTLE observed that the vote of last night had lopped off one hundred and eleven members from the representation. That was the precise number to be sup plied, and he consequently could not perceive either the ad vantage or the justice of further disfranchisement. He thought that the new enfranchisement. might take place without disturbing the system with respect to the boroughs included in schedule B. The proposition of the hon. gen tleman who had last sat down for destroying the representa tion of those boroughs totally,would not, he hoped, be agreed so by the house, for he could not understand the principle upon which these boroughs were to be deprived of one of their members. . Dlr. WASON explained that his object was to unite the boroughs, so as that they should all be represented by eigh- teen or nineteen members. _ _ An Hon. MEMBER, whose name could not be ascer tained, said that the boroughs in schedule B. would lose one manlier upon the same principles identically as those in schedule A. had been attVanchised. He entirely approved wf the plan laid down by ministers in their measure, and hoped it would be adopted. Lord RASTNOR wished to avoid going into the prin ciple of the bill. lie was for a long time opposed to any measure of the kind, but before the Ministers came into power, he had changed his opinion. lie was not prepared to approve of so extensive a measure; the change proposed was too great. He would support the amendment, believing that the equilibrium and balance of the constitution would be kept up by the adoption of it. The various interests would have then a better chance of being represented. 11r. C. PELHA M spoke in favour of the amendment, which he considered calculated to secure a portion of the rights of Englishmen, which the bill intended to destroy. The gallery was then cleared for a division, when there appeared for the Original motion For the amendment filajority for ministers....... _67 It was then moved that the borough of Aldboruugh stand part of schedule B. Mr. SADLER said, all he could do was to protest against the proceeding about to be adopted. He denied that it was a nomination borough, as it had been frequently contested. The constituency of the borough was indepen dent and respectable. The borough had the honour to re turn the great Earl of Chatham, when he could not obtain a more independent constituency. He should oppose the partial disfranchisement of the borough. Mr. DUNCO3IBE said that he was "at a loss to know where the respectable constituency was to be found in Ald borough, except the hon. member alluded to the Duke of Newcastle. He would move for the transfer of the borough to schedule A (cheers), as it was a nomination borough, which the hon. baronet, the member for Westminster, could prove. The continuation of the existence of the borough would tend to deprive the freeholders of a vote for the county for the sake of a stinking rotten borough (laughter). He moved that the borough of Aldbotough be included in ache. dule A (immense sheeting). Mr. SADLER said that the present electors had long ex ercised their rights for the benefit of the public. He thought it was not a proper course to allude to a circumstance that took place when the noble duke who had an influence in the borough was only seven years of age. Such a course was not generous or fair. Lord STORMONT, as the quondram member for Aid borough, begged to state that the constituency was most in. dependent and respectable; as a proof, the boo. member's brother was one of the constituents. Mr. DUNCOMBE-.I say he is not. (Laughter.) Lord STORMONT said that he was a constituent, for he gave him his vote. (Cheers.) He hoped the hon. mem ber did not include Ms brother in the denunciation against the respectatability of the constituency. (Great laughter.) He considered that the town of Hertford, which the boo. mem ber represented, was a scene of more corruption than ever Aldborough exhibited. (Hear.) He had represented that borough, and assured the Committee that his election never was attended with expense. He thought the attack of the boo. member upon the constituency of Aldborough most un justifiable. Mr. DUNCOMBE said that the ruling passion was so strong among some ache borougbmongers, that they lost all temper, and descended to personalities. (Hear.) lie would repeat the observation that there was only one constituent in the borough, and that was the Duke of Newcastle. lie did not consider there was any superiority in the Duke of New. castle's nominees over the independent Members returned from places where there was an independent, free, and honest constituency. (Cheers.) The country demanded in a voice of thunder she abolition of those abuses. (Cheers.) Mr. N. CALVERT said that be had represented Ald borough, and had never bribed any party to procure his re turn. (Cheers.) Sir C. WETHERELL said that as the Waugh of Bo roughbridge was alluded to, and as he sat foe that borough, he assured the House that he never was put to greater ex pense than to give a dinner after the election, which did not exceed 130 L which was considerably less than the expense of the dinners given by the Hon. Member to his constituents at Hertford (cheers). He considered that the Hon. Mem. bar was not justified in libelling the constituency of Aldbo. rough. He considered the reference to the case of Borough. bridge very injudicious and uncalled for. lie could not avoid refuting the unfounded calumny heaped upon the character of a most amiable nobleman, who was connected with the borough, who was not accountable for any act that took place during his minority. Those attacks were unfair, and ought not to be so cheered and applauded by the Cavern. ment (hear.) Lord ALTHORP regretted the departure from the point under discussion. His hon. friend was too late to move that the borough of Aldborough be included in schedule A. IThat clause was disposed of, but the bon. member would have an opportunity to do so in a future age of the bill. A Member defended the town of Hertford from the attack upon the constituency of that town. Mr. PRAED deprecated the many instances of reckless jocularity. (Hear, hear.) After some fu rther remarks from Mr. Attwood, Lord Althorp and Mr. Stanley, Mr. Duncombe withdrew his amendment, and the resolution was agreed to. The borough of Amersham was added to schedule B. It sou then moved that the borough of Arundel stand part of schedule B. Mr. Alderman ATKINS said that the borough of Arun del could not be considered a nomination borough in any shape tot form. It contained 469 independent resident voters, who voted by scot and lot. He felt it his duty to take the sense of the House on the point, unless the noble Lord would consent to remove it from schedule B. An hon. biro's& said that as be was returned for the borough of Arundel, he felt it a duty which he owed to the country to vote for the partial disfranchisement of the borough. Lord .1. RUSSELL could see no reason why Arundel should be exempted from the rule laid down. The motion was then agreed to. It was then moved that the borough of Ashburton stand part of schedule B. Mr. POYNTZ said that he felt bound to bring the case of this borough before the committee. The hon. member then read the memorial presented to the government by the constituents of Ashburton, which stated that, in 1821, the population was 3,400, and that it contained 396 inh a bit e d and 16 uninhabited ; that in 1831, the population was 4,100, and that the town had increased in respectability and wealth. The borough be considered entitled to the consideration of the Committee as one that ought to retain its two Colonel TORRENS said that Ashburton was not a no =illation borough. When the Parliament was dissolved, tlt , approved ol she pounds upon which that dissolution bad talten place, and at a public sasedas they expressed ministers. their approval of the oakum introdwasd by lib Majesty's Thep deo Imbed aa laftsmisit whom% to stand for the bum* So syssesot amtimmes,aud who out'des seat In beam Frees due Autism et the the respettability ef the wariessagy, the bursae. ing wealth et the inhabitants he somilessi it justly en.. Odd to rods the privileges it at prom arjoed. lard J. RUSSELL dM not mothat there were safident grounds fee alkyl% it to mum two members. Eva add. ing the population of the other parishes, to which the borough extended, it fell short of 4,000 inhabitants. Colonel SIBTHORPE observed that this showed the in justice and absurdity of making the census of 1821 the basis for disfranchisement. After a few desultory observations, the question that Ashburton do stand part of Schedule B, was put and carried. On the question that the borough of Bodmin do stand part of Schedule B, Mr. D. GILBERT indulged in a eulogy on the Electors of that Borough, which he said was rapidly increasing in population. The motion was then carried. On the motion that the borough of Bridport stand part of the bill, Mr. H. ST. PAUL observed that the population of that borough amounted to 3,742 in 1821. The population of ' that part of the town which was not included in the borough was about 750, so that the population of the entire town in 1821 exceeded 4000. Under such circumstances, he sub. mitred to the honesty and candour of the house whether this borough should be deprived of any of its members. Mr. WARBURTON had inquired into the circum stances attending this borough. He would admit that a portion of a parish not included in the borough formed a part of the town, but even if that portion was added to the population of the borough, it would not exceed 3,942. Sir E. SUDDEN had reason to complain that the noble lord (Russell) bad assigned no adequate reason for partially disfranchising the boroughs in schedule B. This was the proper time to consider to what extent the constituency of England was to be cut down. He did not see on what principle Truro was to be preserved, and Bridport deprived of one of its members, for it would be necessary to take In some of the rural population to snake up a constituency for Truro ; whereas .here was a sufficient population in the town of Bridport to enable it to retain its two members according to the principle of the bill. The hon. and learned gentleman then went over the statement made by Mr. St. Paul, respect. in g the population of the town of Bridport. A more pow erful case than this, he observed, had not come before the house in any of the schedules. On such ground he submit ted that two members should be retained, according to the principle of the bill. Lord J. RUSSELL observed that an exception was cer tainly made in favour of Truro, whereby it was removed from the schedule in which it was originally placed; but it was found that that concession would lead to difficulties. The fact was that the population of the adjoining parish had been included under the name of Truro, though it did not belong to the borough ; but that was not the case with Bridport.— The parish of Hanningtoq was never considered a part of that borough. Under these circumstances, he saw no reason for departing from the course which ministers laid down. Lord STORMONT considered the circumstances relat ing to Bridport to be precisely similar to those of Wood. stock. The question was then put, and the gallery ordered to be cleared; but the motion was carried without a division. .. . The borongb of Buckingham was then half-disfranchised, without an observation. On the motion that the borough of Chippenham form part of Schedule B. Captain BOLDERO was ready to prove that this borough contained a population of 4,411 in 1821, and 6110 houses. He had seen the books. and would establish this fact. Under such circumstances. he maintained that it should re tain its two members. Mr. STANLEY could see no reason for taking this bo rough out of the schedule in which it was placed. Mr. SADLER thought that this borough, which had been represented by the father of the constitution about to be de sttoyed, ought not to be disturbed. Mr. G. BANKS could not think the House was acting justly in proceeding upon a return which could be proved to be incorrect. Sir R. PEEL once having represented this borough, nit- 1 turally felt interested in its fate. He was sensible of the in convenience of the comae they were pursuing, when in fact the subject ought to be enquired into by a Select Committee. Mr. PUSEY thought the subject ought to be submitted to a Committee upstairs. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER could not see huw the exact population of 1821 was susceptible of proof. The return allowed an increase from 1811, and the diminution of the houses might easily be accounted for. Mr. SANDFORD contended that the return of 1821 ought not to be deputed from. Sir C WETHERELL referred to the discrepancy in the returns, and said, that if justice were refused there, they should seek it in that part of the legislature which was both a legislative and a judicial body. (Hear.) After some further observations from Lord Althea?, Sir R. Peel, Mr. C. Wynn, Lord Milton, Sir H. Harding., Capt. Boldero , Mr. Boat, Mr. Gisborce, Mr. D. W. Her- I vey, and Mr. Motherly, The house divided, when the numbers were, For the motion ... 281 For the amendment ... .. 181 Majority for ministers .. 70 The other orders of the day were then disposed of ; and the house adjourned at half-past two o'clock this morning. LIST of MEMBERS who VOTED for the DIS FRANCHISEMENT of the Borough of SAINT GER MAINS-260. July 26. Atcheson, Lord Ferguson ' General Adam, C. Fitzroy, Colonel Adeaoe, H. J. Fitzroy, Lord J. Altborp, Viscount Foley, J. H. Astky, Sir J. D. Foley, Hon. T. H. Adlerley, Arthur Folke*, Sir W. Bart. Bainbridge, Edward T. Fos, Colonel Barham, J. French, A. Bering. Sir T. Gilion, W. D. Baring, F. T. Gisborne, T. Barnett, C. J. Graham, Right Hon. Sir J. Barnum 8. A. Graham, Sir S. Bart. Belfast, Lord Grant, Right Hon. C. &nett, J. Grant, Right Hon. R. Berkeley, Captain Grattan, J. Biddulph, R. M. Greene, T. Blake, Sir R. Grosvenor, Right His. R. &entire, W. Guise, Sir B. W. Blankoey, W. Gurney. R. H. Blount, Sir C Bart. Hawkins, H. Bodkin, J. J. Handley, W. F. Bouverle. Hon D. P. Harcourt, G. V. Bouverie, P. P. Harty, Sir R. Boyle, 800. J. Harvey, D. W. Brahman. Lord Heathcote, Sir G. Brayen, T. Heywood, B. Briscoe, J. J. Hill, Lord A. Brougham, W. Hill, Lord G. Brougham, J. Hoblsouse, J. C. Browne, J. Hodges, T. L. Bulkeley, Sir R. Horne, Sir W. Buller, J. Hort, Sir W. Bart. Bulwer, H. L. Hoskins, K. Banbury, Sir H. Howard, P. H. Burdett, Sir F. Howard, B. Burton, H. Howick, Viscount Huston, Thomas F. Hudson, T. Dyng. George HoSties, 3. Calcraft, G. Hogan, W. H. Callaghan. D. Hughes, Colonel Calvert, C. Hume, J. Calvert, Nicholson Hunt, H. CaUay, T. Ingleby, Sir W. Outlining, Sir S. Innis, Sir H. Bart. Carter, J. B. James. W. Cavendish, W. Jeffery, Francis Chaytor, W. R. Jeplmon, C. D. 0. Chichester, Sir A. Bart Jerninglam, Hon. H. Clive, Edward B. Jobwatose. J. Oidock, S. Minetrose, Sir J. Crampton, P. C. Jana--., J. H. Creevey, T. Romp, T. B. Cuntiffe, 0. lima.,T. F. Currie, J. lima. Lord Curteis, H. B. lON, B. B. Dawson, A. Dig, Hon. R. Denison, W. J. illiikt. H. H. Denman, Sir T. Mum Hon. J. H. •• J. Dixon, .1. gnu; Han James Deyk, Sir J. N. Labosebere, H. Duneombe, T. S. Lambert, J. 8. Duals., T. Lambert, H. Modal, Han. J. C. Lawley, F. panda. Hon. Sir R. Leader, N. P. BAUM Z. Lae, 1 11. NEU, Wean Laker% C. S. &nab, lit. Imam Ss C. Una. Cel. de Lacy Lama, Lad W. Evans, W. B. Levars, Lard J. G. Evans, W. Loom Lord 11. Swart, W. Law s 3. L. Vergasenn, R. Ilidetes, N. J. Lloyd, Sir IL P. Roofer. J. B. Loch, James Ross, 11. Lyon, D. Rumbold, C. E Moberly, W. Russell, Lord J. Moberly, J. Rutheen, E. S. Macaulay. T. B. Sandford, C. A. Macdonald, Olr J. Scott, Sir E. D. Macintosh, Right Hon. Sir J. Sebright, Sir J. Bar t , Macnamara, W. Skipwith, Sir O. Dirt. Mangles, J. Marley, R. A. Marjaibanks, S. Smith, J. A. Marshall, W. Smith, John Martin, J. Smith, R. V. Mayhew, W. Smith, G. R. Milbank, M. Stanhope, Captain Mildmay, P. Stanley, J. Mills, J. Stanley, Right lien I: :;, Moreton. Hon H. Stanley. Lord Morpeth, Lord Stewart, Sir M. S. Morrison, J. Stewart, Charles Mostyn, E. L. Stewart, P. 'M. Mullins, F. Strickland, G. Newark, Lord Strutt, E. Newport, Sir J. Stuart, Lord P. J. Noel, Sir G. Tennyson, C. North, F. Thicknesse, IL Norton, C. F. Thompson, W. Nowell, A. Thomson, Right lion (' p Nugent, Lord Tbrockmorton, It. G O'Connell, D. Tomes, J. O'Connell, M. Tarns, Colonel It. O'Grady, S. Townshend, Lord C. O'Neill, Hon General Trail, George Ord, W. Trowbridge, Sir C. Paget, Sir C. Tynte, C. K. Paget, T. Tyrell, C. Palmer, General Venables, W. Parnell, Right Hon. Sir H. Vert, J. H. Payne, Sir P. But. Vernon, Hon. G. J. Pendarves, E. W. Villiers, F. Penlease, J. S. Vincent, Sir F. Penrhyn, B. Waitbman, R. Perrin, L. Walker, C. A. Petit, Louis H. Warburton, H. Petre, Hon. R. Warre, J. A. Philipps, Sir R. Wilson, W. R. PhilUpps, C. M. Watson, Hon. B. Phillips, G. R. Webb, Colonel E. Polhill, F. Westenra, Hon H. Ponsonby, Hon. W. Whitbread. W. H. Ponsonby. Hon. G. Mks, John Power, R. Williams, Sir J. Poynts, W. S. Williamson, Sir H. Price, Sir R. Winnington, Sir T. Protberoe, E. Wood, M. Pryse, P. Wood, J. Ramsbottom, J. Wood, C. Rider, T. Wrottesley, Sir J. Roberts, A. W. Young, John Robinson. Sir G. TILISR. Robinson, G. R. Rice, Hon. T. S. PAIRED OFF in FAVOUR on DIVISION .)- ST. GERMAINS. Anson, Sir George Godson, R. Anson, Hen. George Grosvenor, Hon R. Belgrsve, Lord Heron, Si R. Bernard, T. Hutchinson, J. H. Browniow, C. Loch, John Byng, George S. Lusbington, Dr. S. Coke, Thomas W. Morrison, John Maze, Hon J. C. Shlel, Richard L. Dnocannon, Viscount Stewart, Pat. Easthope, J. Tavistock, Marquis of Ebrington, Viscount Waterpark, Lord Fordwich, Lord White, S. Foster, James Williams, John ABSENT from the DIVISION on ST. GERMANS Agnew, Sit A. Owen, Sir J. %Me, J. C. Ozntantown, Lord Beaumont, T. W. Pepys, Charles Blount, C. Ramsden, J. C. Campbell, John Ridley, Sir M. W. Cavendish, Lord G. Russell, Lord W. Cavendish, Henry Schonswar, G. g Cavendish, Charles Sinclair, George bleksster, Sir A. Smith, Hon R. Davks, Colonel Spence, G. Ferguson, Cutler Surrey. Lord Ferguson, Sir R. Thompson, P. B. Fitzgibbon, Hon IL Tuftoo, Hoehn. ' Knight, Robert Vernon, Hon G. Lumley, J. S. Welledey, W. L. Martin, Sir Byam White, Colonel H. Monk, Hon. W. R. Wilde. Servant FOREIGN INTELLIGENCE. .—,,,,—___ PRIVATE CORRESPONDENCE. PARIS, Jun , TO THE EDITOR OF THE STAR. SlR,—Great opposition is expected in the Chambers respecting the nomination of the Pre. sident ; and it is generally believed that M. Perie: will retire, should his rival M. Lafitte be appointed. Scarcely has the Chamber assembled when dissen lion begins to prevail. The first sitting of the Chamber of Peers was marked by rather a curious event: the reproduc tion of the Austrian flags sent to the Senate by Napoleon, after the taking of Ulm, was a circum stance as unexpected as singular, and caused less enthusiasm' than surprise —every one was asto nished, above all at the moment chosen, for such a theatrical clap-trap. After fifteen years neglect, and a full year after the fall of the Bourbons, M. Simonville appearing all of a sudden at the head of fifty flags taken formerly from the enemy, was a sight sufficiently curious to attract great attention ; but the dis course which followed it, or rather which accom panied this display, has more especially opened a vast field for conjecture. M. Simonville, who is the grand referendary of the Chamber of Peers. excused himself for not having followed the dic tates of his inclination some months sooner; he was prevented alone by an apprehension of ex citing intemperate ardour, and awaking rival sus ceptibilities; but now, added he, " these trophies will be at once some recompence for past neglect of public feeling, and a lesson for the future !" The Duke of Orleans appeared for the first time at the tribune, and spoke with great dignity ; and in a discourse worthy of a young soldier and 3 young citizen, be announced that he should always be ready to draw his sword, and combat for the support of the best interests of France, and the national honour and sympathies. Great preparations are still in progress for the celebration of the " three glorious days," which commence to-morrow at six o'clock. Funeral ser vices are to take place in all the churches, to the memory of those who fell in the sanguinary com bat of this time twelve months. The National Guards are ordered to appear with a crape round the arm; and many persons among the more vio lent speak of covering the tri-colour cockade with crape—to signify that the REVOLUTION 14 i mourning ! Every thing promises, at the same time, that the whole affair will go off quietly. Ilk French, as you know, are easily amused; but it requires a constant succession of amusements to keep them from thinking ; for when there is nothing in the wind, they will think of, and plot mischief, to keep their hands in. In baste I forward you the Journals ; and I remain , Your's obeiently, EXTRACTS PROM THE JOURNALS. A report was spread to-day of the departure M . M. Posse di Borgo. This news is incorrect, as M. Pogo di Borgo has issued again invitations for neat week.—Le Temps. It is probable that M. Tallepand will arrive at Paris one of these days. The King, who held J. L. 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