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DISTRESS AND FAMINE IN IRELAND t•r'HE WESTERN COMMITTEE for the RELIEF of the IRISH POOR,—deeply grateful to the Giver of All Good, for having disposed the Chris tian public so liberally to respond to the urgent appeals made to them on behalf of their famishing countrymen,— now feel it their pleasing duty to express their opinion that the funds which hare been subscribed are adequate to the existing emergency._ From the statements of individuals of the highest character, and great local knowledge, received in answer to the inqui. ries of this Committee, they have come to the conclusion :hat the money already subscribed, and the aid furnished Gotcrnment, will be sufficient to ward off the pres ,ure of distress until the coming harvest, which, under the :;vine Blessing, promises to be both early and abundant. Under these circumstances, the Committee consider that hey shall best consult the interests of true benevolence by -taking this announcement. T. BARTLETT, Secretary. r.‘cter Hall. 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Their Lordships met to hear Appeals, and adjourned till three o'clock to-morrow. HOUSE OF COMMONS. The gallery was opened at one o'clock. ' The SPEAKER entered the House at a quarter to four, there being then about 300 members present. Several members took the oaths and their seats. A new writ was issued for the borough of 'Forfar, in the room of the Lord Advocate, who made his election for the borough of Mahon; and for the borough of Highath Ferran, in the room of Lord Milton, who made his election for the county of Northampton. Sir G. MURRAY, in moving for a new writ for the bo rough of Riegate, in the room of the late Sir Joseph Yorke, indulged in a hig h enlogiunt on the virtues and public ser vices of that honourable gentleman, who, be observed, often gratified the bones,/ displays cf wit, and restored it to good humour in the warmth of debate, by the felicity of his ob servations. He was no less distinguished for the qualities above enumerated than by his brilliant services fur his coun try abroad. The motion for the new writ was then agreed to. New writs were also issued for the borough of Newport. in the room of Jonathan Heine, Esq. deceased ; and for Ta vistock, in the room of Lord John Russell, who made his election for Devonshire. On the motion that a new writ be issued for Liverpool, in the mem of 211 r. Dennison, who made his election for the County of Nottingham, The Marquis of CHANDt )S moved the postponement of the motion until Friday, in consequence of a resolution en tered into respecting that borough in the last Session. Mr. BENETT seconded the motion. Mr. DENNISON would not interfere with the house, if they thought proper to reject his motion He had moved for the writ to.nlght, because he knew of no instance of a writ being suspended for misconduct after the disaolution of Par liament. Ile begged to inform the house, that it was a matter of high importance to keep the writ for so extensive a borough suspended even for one day. Ile therefore re quested of the Noble Lord to fix on Thursday instead of Friday. Tlie Marquis of CHANDOS had no objection, provided Mr. BINETT'S motion respecting that borough was allowed to have precedence of other business. Mr. EWA RT observed that there would be no occasion for the motion at all, were it not for the accident of his colleague being chosen fur another place. The motion for the new writ was then postponed until to morrow (this day.) To a question from an Horourable ME3IIIIIR, whose name we could not learn, Mr. STANLEY was glad of the opportunity of remov ing the impression which went abroad to the effect that the Government would make provision for the relief of the die. tressed poor in Ireland. He had good lesson to know that such rumours were calculated to stifle the 'mums of charity throughout the country. He felt bound to say, that a gen tleman was sent down to the distressed districts by the Go vernment, with money to purchase provisions for the relief of those who were in extreme distress, and to administer relief where the sources of charity were exhausted ; but that gentleman had instructions not to interfere any further than was necessary to support life. Mr. O'CONNELL wished to know if means were taken tolprevent Orange meetings, in different parts of Ireland, on the 12th of July, as be understood that it was in contempla tion to hold such meetings throughout Ireland on that day. Mr. STANLEY replied that nothing should be left un. done to prevent such meetings. He could bear testimony to the good conduct of the Roman Catholic peasantry, on the occasion of such meetings in March last. He would take that opportunity of stating that a stipendiary magistrate had been sent down to Newtownbarry, and that orders were issued ; to withhold from the yeomanry arms which had been pre viously designed for them. An hon. member observed that he himself and the Earl of ; ' Enniskillen had sent circulars to the Protestants, requesting them not to assemble on the 12th of July. Mr. HUME complained of arms being left in the hands of those who were accustomed to meet on such occasions. Sir R. PEEL thought it almost impossible to prevent such ' meetings by the arm of the law. It would be infinitely more creditable to the Protestant population of Ireland to avoid irritating their neighbours by holding such meetings ; for however peaceable the meetings might be in themselves, still they never tailed to excite irritation. Lord JOIIN RUSSELL hoped the member for Kerry would be satisfied with the explanatiou already given by the Secretary fur Ireland, respecting the arms tent for the yen. manly. The question of the yeomanry should not be mixed up with the processions. Mr. O'CONNELL observed, that the Protestants in ge ' neral were as averse to the processions as the Catholics. The processions consisted solely oh Orangemen. Sir ROBERT BATESON had a strong objection to the allusions made to the yeomanry of Ireland ; because one corps had been guilty of indiscretion, rite entire establish ment should not be calumniated. ; On the motion of Alderman WOOD, a re:urn was or tiered of the quantity of Spirits imported from Ireland and j Scotland to England, during the last year. Colonel SIBTIIORI'E presented a Petition from some 1 farmers in Lincolnshire, praying that yearly tenants might be allowed the privilege of voting. Mr. HUNT wished to know it the tenth clause was to be continued as it appeared in the Bill's Lord JOHN RUSSELL obeerved that he had already given an antwer, and this was not the time fur an expla. nation. MR REFORM BILL. The Order of the Day for resuming the debate on this bill having been read, Colonel SIBTIIOIIPE bad been led to understand that Ministers intended to have this debate concluded to-night, in expectation that they wilt carry their question by such a triumphant majority as would justify a brilliant illumina tion to-merrow right (laughter); but he hoped they would be disappointed. Be had been for a long time studying this Bill, endeavouring to understand it, but it was to him totally unintelligible, far it was a heap of nonsense. He was surprised that hon. members should have made plAges to suprert the bill, the ahole bill, and nothing but the bill, wh‘u they could know but little about it. He heard a great thA about an unintentional slip respecting the 10th clause ; it wculd be a tOrtunate thing if Ministers would slip out of the house entirely. and not return again. The hon. member then referred to the shanaul profanation of the name of the Sovereign, In connect-ng it with this bill. He would say that his Nlajesty could have no opinion re. speeting it in its present stage. lie therefore deprecated the abuse which was nude of the Sovereign, in representing him favourable to the measure. lie then referred to that part of of the bill which went to disfranchise the non-resident voters, designating it as an act of injustice. But, observed he, the noble lord (Althorp) represented this measure as aristocraticel, while others considered that its chief merits consisted in its Ling demeteraticol. lie would wish to know if the. inhabitants of St. Hileit's would approve of it, if they thought it aristocratical. Now, he thought that it was due to the house to Icy before diem the ceasos of MI. previous to the introduction of this measure. The hon. member here entered into a comp:Hon of the popula tion of different towt,s, rich a view to show that the bill was unfair in allowing some towns to send members, while other towns, which had a larger population, were to continue un represented. His side of the house were often asked, why they had not brought in a teform bill. The 11:33011 was ob vious, because they had not time, unless two bills were be. fore the house at the same time. But then they were told that this bill, which was to be crammed down their throats, was to be final. This he doubted very much, particularly after what had fallen from the honourable members for Middlesex, Preston, and Kerry, who seemed to be well ac quainted with the sentiments of me people on reform. Now he IJbt THURSDAY EVENING, JULY 7, 1831. would point out very great anomilies in this bill. Why was a 101. househoulder to have a vote in a town while the pri. vilege was denied to a substantial farmer who held his land by as good a tenure ? Was It not insulting to the farmer to be treated in this manner, as if, indeed, he was not as inde. pendent as the 101. householder'? If this bill was carried, a repeal of the corn laws would follow of course. We have had too much importation of foreign goods, and foreign live stock (he meant ex-kings) Of late (laughter.) The gallant Colonel referred again to the leaseholders, observingQ, that they were as independent of their landlords as free holders. The consequence of their exclusion front the franchise would be a great diminution of the number of leases. He held the bill in the greatest detestation, and would oppose it iota its stages. This tit/wine was introduced as a screen for the imperfection of ministers, and as a cataplasm to allay the•ir ritation. Lord W. LENNOX was surprised to hear the hon. member say that ministers were prepariog for illuminations to-morrow night. He deprecated having the House of Commons made the foundling hospital of the illegitimate thanks of honourable members. (Hear, bear.) The pre sent state of the representation was a scandal to the institu. eons of this country. It was advanced as an argument In favour of the rotten borough system, that it afforded an opportunity to several young men of displaying their abilities in this house, whereas otherwise they would waste them on the open air. An Honourable Friend of his opposite was turned out of the rotten borough of Gotten, because he decd to give an independent vote on one occa sion, though the patron did not say that he turned him out on that account, but that he wished to oblige a friend. Was not such conduct a disgrace to the representative system.— (Hear hear.) The contest now was, not between the people and the aristocracy, but between rottenness and justice. (Hear hear.) Mr. K. DOUGLAS was an advocate for extending the franchise to Manchester, Birmingham, and other towns; but he could not support a measure which conferred the fran chise on such t,s% ns as were contained in the schedules C. and D. Ile saw nothing like safety in the measure, for it was evidently a prelude to more extensive concessions to the clamour of the people. All the evils of the state of the representative system were, the Noble Lord had told them, to be removed by this Bill, But he (Mr. K. Douglas; would like to know whether this measure would increase the trade and commerce of the country. There was, he admitted, a cry in favour of reform throughout the country, and that cry had been raised because it was expected that reform would pave the way for the abolition of the corn laws and of the tithe system. The Hon. Gentleman alluded to the im. policy of cutting off 31 members, and objected to the Bill as a measure that would be disastrous to the best interests of the constitution. Sir R. F. LOPEZ thought that those who supported Re. form should lay aside all selfish motives. He would vote for the bill, because he conceived it calculated to do good. It was hopeless to expect that any one measure could be brought forward in such a way as to give satisfaction to all, and he bad his objections to the bill ; but still he was willing to waive his opinion in favour of that of the public : (hear, hear.) Mr. F. LEWIS said, that he had some strong induce. ments to vote for the Bill, and others, which made him doubt the propriety of such a course, in consequence of the manner in which the debate had been conducted by the sup porters of the measure. He had an earnest desire to see certain changes made in the state of the representation, for he thought that som. 'dorm was necessary, and he should, therefore, be glad to see some proper measure, with that ob. ject In view, carried. But he would proceed to the consi. deration of the position in which the House was placed, and the question befom the House. He alluded to the circuit:. stances which had led to the dissolution, and admitted that the voice of the thinking part of the people was anxious to take the question of Reform into consideration—(hear.) The question was now under consideration; and although he would not say an unanimous, he would say that a strong feel ing existed in favour of Reform throughout the country— (Hear.) There were strong reasons fur voting for the bill, but he would not surrender up his own opinion upon the subject ; and he had in vain listened to the speeches of the advocates of tits measure for reasons to relieve his mind from the difficulties which he entertained. Ile would vote fur the bill going into Committee, (hear, hear),) in order that it might be fully and fairly considered ; but he thought it was a measure which would not bear to be hurried through the house. He dreaded precipitancy in carrying this bill, because he feared that hurry would be attended by danger. This was a measure which contained many points that would require the fullest consideration. It rent to deprive certain places of their rights, and he thought it was must impolitic to dis:ranchise thirty-one English boroughs. lie was ready to consent to transfers of franc, ises, so as to get rid of the close system altogether ; but he never would consent to a limitation of the number of the English Members. (Hear, hem.) If the Irish Reform Bill were passed, and that the number of English representatives should be lessened, he would undertake to say that five years would not pass without the questim of the repeal of the union of the countries I being carded. (Her, hear.) The present system of repre- I met the varying fluctuations of property,and of the times ; but an uniform system like that proposed by this bill was highly objectionable, and would comply with the de mands of neither. In the late bill a power was reserved the Privy Council to mark out the divisions and subdivi. don into which the country was to be divided, but be thought that such a power belonged and ought to be reserved exclu sively to that House. He would therefore suggest that they should rather obtain the information necessary for the pur- pose themselves, and act upon it, than commit such a duty into the hands of any persons whomsoever out of doors: (hear, hear.) The subject was one of the greatest impor. tance, and ought to receive the fullest and the most ample consideration, and he for one would vote for the second read ing, reserving to himself Cte right of offering such objections to it in its other stages as, in his conscience, he Jima feel himself bound to offer. CA MPBELL was satisfied, from the candid and manly course of the hon. gentleman opposite, that the bill would be read a second time with almost unanimous con sent. Ile was satisfied the hon. gentleman would finally sup port the measure, when he applied his unbiassed attention more accurately to its details. He (Mr. Campbell) had gone to the consideration of the bill with every possible re verence tor the constitution; and if the measure, instead of repairing the detects in the present, proposed a new consti tlon, he would have boldly and strenuously opposed it. This bill had no such object in view. But a noble lord was ea wedded to the present system, that he attributed the de. struction of the constitutions of France, Spain, and other places, to their having no rotten boroughs; no Batton', nu Old Saruma. The constitution ought to adapt itself to the changes and circumstances of the times, and this was all which was now meant to be done. it was on all hands ad. mitted that corruption existed, and that many large places were wholly without representation. These were practical evils, and these were the evils which were intended to 1e removed. The bill was sit enfranchising. as well es a dis franchising measure. With respect to the disfranchising past, he could not help observing the stress which had been laid u,-on the right to exercise the elective fran. chive. This right had been set up as a species of property; but he, in his capacity of a lawyer, denied that there was any property in the right to vote. That right was a trust, but it could not be regarded in the light of property. Boroughs were chartered, wnen they were places of consi deration, and contained large populations ; but when they dwindled into nothingness, and no longer contained inhabi tants. was not their charters gone ? Lid not these charters become extinct ? The bill, therefore, was a restutation, and not a revolution of the system ; and he, as a lawyer, would say, that It did not alter the character of the voters ; for every one who knew anything of the laws must be aware that the terms burgess and inhabitant were synonymous. The measure had been called a corporation robbery ; but lit da nied that corporations had anything to do withsendit g mein. bees to parliament. When members were first summuned there were very few corporations in existence, and therefore it was absurd to talk of robbery. Much had been said about the advantage of boroughs in introducing young men of talent to that house, but he thought the caprice of patrons in nine cases out of ten, destroyed that advantage by reducing the young aspirant to apathy, in consequence of his being com. pelted to vote against his own conscience. (Hear, hear.) An hon and gallant baronet had declared that this MI would exclude those wealthy pewit!' who, after years of absence, returned to this country from India, front that house. Those persons could no longer, the hon. and gallant baronet had said, go into the market to purchase scats in Parliament. Ile (Mr. Campbell) did not however, know that It was necessary to have the colonies specifically represented ; but if so, he should expect to see an hon. member for Calcutta, and en hon. member for Jamaica : But a time was, when India was represented, when the Na bob of Arcot had no fewer than ten members in that house, (hear.) The hon. and learned gentleman then alluded to the system of teafficing in boroughs, and the corruption of that system. It was thought that the metropolitan members would be no ornament to that house ; but would they not be chosen by as respectable a constituency as drat which snit the members for Westminster to Parliament ? (Ilear, hear.) The objection was absurd. With resract to the qualification for voting, much had been said, and some hon. Gentlemen thought that limiting the qualification to 101. was an evil, of which those wbo paid 91. had a just right to complain. So it might be said of those who paid 81, 71, and 61, or any lesser sum, if the limitation had been made i IL above their rent, (hear) ; but was it not absolutely neces sary to fix sonic limitation ? Some gentlenten thought there ought to be two bills, in order that they might have the option which to choose and which to reject; but although plane had been talked of, he had seen no plan. Oh yes, he begged pardon ;he had seen one. He had seen a plan for the punish. ment of delinquent boroughs, and the transfer of the fran. chiles to other places. Such a plan would be a change, but it would be useless to say such a plan would satisfy the country. He denied that anything like delusion had been practised, and declared that the error in the clause of the bill with re spect to quarterly payments of rent, had arisen from igno rance merely, and not from any desire to delude (hear, hear). In conclusion, he believed that rejecting the bill would be productive of consequences the most disastrous to the peace and tranquillity of the (wintry ; while, if it were carried, he was equally sanguine the prosperity and well-being of the people would be insured (hear, hear). Colonel SI BTHORPE, in explanation wished to ask whether, in the observations he had made, it was intended by the noble lord opposite (Lord W. Lennox) to cast any refiect tion or imputation upon him Col. Sibthorpe) ? Lor W. LENNOX, in reply, ditelaimed all intention of having imputed any thing to the honourable and gallant gentleman. Mr. WRANGHAM said, that he also felt difficulties as to the vote which he ought to give. He had heard the lion. and Learned Member for Caine with great attention, and like him, indulged in melancholy political prophecies. When he (Mr. Wranglutm) looked at the state of the representa. tion, he was willing to admit that changes were necessary, but he was unable to go the length of this Bill in making those changes. lie thought that the rights of the Crown ought to be taken into consideration ; for he regarded those rights as so much political power entrusted to the King for the benefit of the people. He was not the advocate of the nomination system, neither would he be come the apologist, much less the defender, of that system ; but still, with all the faults which he admitted it contained, he yet thought the present measure went to much too great an extent. The Aristocracy was represented in the House by the close boroughs, and the aruzan through the means of the put-walloping freemen. Indeed no class of persons but had their representatives in that House (hear). Although he deprecated the disfranchisement of potwalloping freemen, he was no friend to universal suffrage (a cough, and cries of order) ; and it was because he thought that this Bill would ultimately lead to that sad consequence, that he was opposed to it. lie denied the permanency of the 101. franchise; 50 years ago a 51. house was equal to a 101. house now. Whet then would become of their permanent franchise in fifty years hence. Ile contended also that if there was a change in the currency of the country they could not maintain a permanent 101. franchise, and where was the improbability of such a thing taking place, when they considered tne pre sent state of the country? The Honourable Gentleman re petted that the State of his health presented him from en. tering further into the consideration of the measure before the House. Mr. BULWER commenced addressing the House, Lv re plying to the speech of Lord Porches:a, and eentended, in answer to that Noble Lord, that the improvement of the French people from the time of the teroration, up to the period of the Martignac administration, was most remark. able. His view of the constitution was this, that with a King they had a House of Peels, who were the hereditary repre sentatives of the people, as the Commons were their Ott ttel representatives. This country rose to wealth anti importance lin despite of our complex laws, and our religious injustice ; bet did this arise because 150 gentlemen were returned to that House by certain close boroughs, formed by old walls or mounds of earth ? But it was true that while our armies and navies increased, our national debt had also increased. (Hear, hear.) It was contended that the bill before the house was not popular. He would appeal to the new mem. ben of that house, and to those members who had departed from the house, if the bill had not received the sanction of the mnjority of the people. He contended that the efforts that hurl been made by the opponents of reform to sustain the church and aristocracy, were highly prejudicial both to the one at.tl the other, and those were really the true friends of both who wished to take away those rotten ramparts that appeared to give support, but in truth operated very differ ently. The Hon. Gentlemen adverted to the obstinacy with which the opposers of the bill objected to all reform, until it had been forced upon them by the voice of the people, and concluded ,by giving his support to the bill before the house. Lord VALLETORT denied that the feeling of the people in favour of reform was so general as it was said :43 be by the honourable gentlemen who supported the bill. It was not because Sir H. Vyvyan, his late colleague for Cornwall, opposed reform, that he was rejected as the re presentative of that county ; for take from the voters who pulled against his honourable friend ail those who wished for a demolition of tithes and taxes, and those who voted in consequence of the unconstitutional manner in which the King's name had been used, and they would have very few reform opponents of Sir R. Vyvyan. (Hear, hear.) He considered that ministers, in bringing forward this bill, were attempting to destroy the happiness, peace, and prosperity of the country. (Hear, hear.) He should sup port a plan of reform which would check and control the passing will of the people ; a bill that would operate as a bond of union between the (louses of Lords and Commons. He cared not if they took away the rotten boroughs to effect this: (a laugh.) But it seemed to he the wish of his Ma jesty's ministers to pars this bill at all hazards ; and to tome on a revolution should the House of Lords attemot to do its duty. The noble Lord, after adverting to the absence of the noble Secretary for Foreign Atfeirs, to the necessity of hav ing some such place as a nomination borough through which to get into that house ' admitted that he was a r. former; (laughter;) and that as the people were in favour of reform, the House ought to respond to them. It was the minister., when out of power, that, excited the minds of the people on the subject, by pointing out every black spot on the consti tution; the people therefore must have a Retorm. but (kit Reform ought not to he the one proposed by the present 111.1. Mr. STRICKLAND adverted to the arguments of hon. members who said, that if the Reform 11111 passed, the re peal of the union between England tad Ireland would fol low. lie (Ur. S.) would say, that unless a kind and con. dilatory course of conduct were to be pursued toaards Ireland, a repeal of the union would certainly take place. (Hear, from Mr. O'Connell.) The honourable member for Soroughbridge had launched out against the new members of that house, for being pledged, and said that they could not freely exercise their opinions upon the Reform Nil. He repudiated the charge that be was pledged. He admitted that hi; said lr- • :11 farrur 11.-frwm, V. tfir least of th. , lie wished rhe bilD %cat t further He thought that the great county of York w,ght tr more than six Members : (hear). He ottiett.q: to rt.( sion of the counties, bends: be feared that then w.u.l in consegneree of this division, such things as nntsii counties : (hear, bear). fie made these re masks tr that he wag not pledged to the entire of the pmvi.ions The late Min:stets and their supporters, who , eenti Wined rather to die in the di!ch than advance a step form, now admitted that they were Camotirable tow , measure In a degree. He should ..upport thevilcipi the Bill before the House. Sir C. IVRTHERELL said he would spca't House as an independent Yorksh;renian. and it toe pendence of character, after all, that gave value to a opinion. (Cheers.) He would therefore feel hin:t4.lf independent a man in that House as the hen the county of York, although lee (Sir C. Wel! ..e") presented a small spot of that great county. 'I isee, member had t h is advantage over tl e county he came into that House without any pled,:e. (II .ar.' wished his right hon. and learned friend (Sir J. M tosh,) was present, to save him, as it were, from the made against him as a boroughnionger, for he Makintosh) was also a borough member in the cow York. If he were opposed to the Bili of Reform in It parliament, lie was much more so in this. Ile (4a not to advert to all the arguments that arose in his mind u ing this bill ; but lie would take the liberty of call' atttention of the house to the more prominent features bill. This bill proposed to destroy 134 mewls. rA Louse, or rather they were to he decanted off to new that is, the cork was to fly out (laughter) of the 1:e roughs, and the essence of the banks was to be poured new receptacles. He contended, notwithstanding all ti' been said to the contrary, that this destruction of the chile in boroughs was a corporation robbery. (Hear, That the dictive franchise was ptoperty, although the money sense used by th e honourable and Member for Caloe. (Hear, hear, hear ) The bozo. to be disfranchised by this bill %riga Leken from tlee of the bill and Oa* in achedulsa AL. and B. would read a clause (Tom Magna Charts. to show the holding of a borough was a proprictarr right, and be taken away by any coert of law. The bun. and ' member read the clause in question, and elks of hest from both sides of the house followed. It miql.t. Le could not Parliament alter the law of hereditary True, Parliament was all-powerful ; true, it could pa , to again takeaway the wastes of Woburn Abbey and tock (loud cries of bear, hear, from the Oppnsitinn, In be questioned the propriety of its doing so. lie ob.ert Mr. Fox, when the Shoreham cause was under con. Hon, opposed the disfranchisement of that borough, ground that only part of the constituency was Fore.' quent. That great man extended the same principle to tinghamesae. The present measure was rash, and t to every precedent, the effect of which would he tionary. The franchise was lower than that laid do. the French jacobinical constitution of 1792. The 1: holders were deemed a happy medinin b, twcen the via tr and the aristocracy ; but he denied that thee would cons. i tutc the middle classes. Tumult and venality would apply to the proceeding of the 101. freeholders under the Bill. :is well as to the present order of enters in the most corrupt borough. Under the pi ineiple of the Bill. prsons of rank and respeciability, capable to discuss and deliberate on the interests of the country, would no: be sent to Parliament. The elections would be too much under the influence of the mob: (cheers.) The question is, whether the Mcnarehy, the Peerage, and the Church, arc to be handed over to the plebeian constituency which is to be created under this Bill, or not: (hear, hear.) Great ascendancy would be given to the occupants of 101. tenements. He would be glad if mime of the lion. Members would inform hint when the consti. tution resembled what it would appear under this unenesi tutio7al Bill: (cheers.) The Hon. Member for Stdrord quoted the learned Seldon as an au.hority in favour of he but be was sure that if Seldon was present, (laughter,) he would disown the opinion attribtred to hint : (laughter.) He denied that the proposed change was entitled to be c n sid.red as a restoration of the Conoitution. He dad not consider that the persons who would constitute tl e 191. We. holders ought to be considered as the middle C14,44eR of the people, or that the elective franchise ought to be extended w weekly tenants, which mould prove to be the case. as tort. pealed from a letter front the Prime Mit.i.ter to the Mr mingliam Political Union, which he regretted his Maj soy's Prime Alinish:r had recognised : (cheers.) Such a b , dy would not be recognised in that house. In many I.l.ces in England the renters of 101. tenements were in a 'rate of pauperism : (hear, hear.) It was a mockery of the re. presentation to call such a body a canservalve h.olt : (hear, her.) The press had charged the ministers with gross ig. norance in the framing cf the bill, or at an attempt to delude the people (hear). The opponents of the bill were tat nt ingly told that the county members were in favour ot the bill. He would beg leave to ask, it it had not been circulated during the elections, the: the quarter!) loaf would be sold for 31d. if the bill passed; such expectations wire heir! oat. (Cries of Name, name.) He could not name, although two hundred members cried out rame ; but he considered that the honourable member for Essex (Mr. Wellesley,) ought not to cry name, as he heel not appeared on the h ..tangs (cheers and laughter). Ile would insist upon the accuracy of his statement (hear), and that tea was po miv d to be sold at Is. a lb. (laughter.) There wus in the coon y of Nerthampton, during the election, a flag with the t4l rd. "Sp over, and no Corn Laws." (Hear, heat). He chltre. catcd such causes of excitement, and he believed t` 'at a genenal trade in corn was expected from the passin.: of this Bill. The subject of tithes usa also alit:ilea to, .nei in some instances it was intimated that a sponge aught to ho applied to the national debt : (no, no; fuer, hear.) Ile called the Bill a revolutionary measure, because the c stituents created under the Bill only looked upon it as a shift and stei,ping stone to a new constitution tar. hear.) The Honcurable and Learned Member teferred to the French Revolution, when Louis XVI. 1 t Sty em ber 1791, accepted of the French Constitution, end tt at in less than two years he was tried and executed (t .ear.) and the result was exile La proscription : (hear t) and who would assn: e him that similar measures would not follow the proposed Bill, which would create a constituency that would elect a violent and arbitrary assembly of delegates. (Cheers.) It was stated in the arguments used by the supporters of the Bill that if the Stuarts had made concessions to the people, they would have pre'erved their throne ; a Inchon which he denied. itc deprecated the idea of throwing away a Constitution which bad stool for ages, for the theoretical machinery that the proposed Bill would introduce. (Ques tion, question !) The Hon. Member observed, that those who interrupted him had taken too freely of the bot.le.— (Laughter.) They bad been decanting the wine as his Ma. jesty's Ministers intended to decant one borough into another. (Laughter). The lion. and Learned Member expressed his conviction that the Reform Bill would prove injurious to the interests of the empire. (Cheers.)- Captain SPENCEIt said that he hack no part in the hand-bill or the placard circulated in the county of North ampton. Another Hon. MEMBER disclaimed any participatior. in such conduct. Mr. FOLEY said that no placards were circulated in the county of Worcester, alluding to the abolition of the c .tn laws, lie was not aware of such placards being exhibited. He believed that the general feeling of the county of Vl'o:- cester was in favour of re:Orra. He should feel great plea sure in recording his vote in favour of the bill, as it would confer great and Ia tiog benefits on the country. Mr. W. BROUGHAM said that he could not give a silent vote upon a measure of such vest importance. Ile was returned by as large a constituency as any Hon. Meta. ! er, and he did not make use of any of those caching and deceptive arguments alluded to by the Hon. and Learned Centlervan. If the mime minister at swered the letter of Mr.Aetataod, it did not follow that he answered the letter of the Birmingham Political Union. There had bees petitions pr.sented in this House from the Sheffield Political Union, and from Manshester, which was substantially the same as a petition from the Birmingham Political Union. The Hon and Learned Member then referred to the arguments against the bill. It was asked, what would the people gain by the bill? To this he would reply, that the people would get a good Government, and that the King smile! reign in the hearts of his subjects, instead of the hearts of the Ito. roughmongers. The hon. and learned member then referred to the earlier times of the constitution of Parliament, with view to show that the ci ale now proposed was enalooti% to the changes made in former times in . the representative system. lie denied that there was any disposition for re. publicanism among the people of this country. If the teal , . 'store passed this bill, they would grant a boon for winch the people would be grateful. qtr G:MURRAY rose to explain. Ile was accused by the lion; gentleman who spoke last of being ighorant el his. tory. When it was considered that he led an active milttary life,_ his ignorance of histo-y was excusable. (Cheers.) There being loud cries for Sir It. Peel, O INToiraaarD.o - . 1788. • V . • rt.nt tit urther : to hive hr d:tri- toad he to mi evr not the seemed t in Re- ads that clple of in that inde- man''s If juat as .t/t T tar it• It. re • rortou't th.it r.) l ie ‘lackit,- at.ack. (Sir J. 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