Star. — London, England, 1823-05-27 00:00:00

PARLIAMENTARY PROCEEDMIGS. HOUSE OF LORDS, MAY I& This morning _their I.,ordships and soon after ten when.hte. (.lark was beard_ ont for the respoodeo , Warren in reply for the owems, in Ai Aire Dar. the Bari of fife, Garther bearing was peetgined to Wednesday next. ' The Paidey Gas LighttliiiniiiiiriAirdadihniatin* rayaprd Fit thitother, Ha i , , The Bermomisey and • Einfores rued a *mend dine, as were also the ' s ( Vence Eilliaad Livdryosil Chemtt Bin. ••: • - • • .ffir • a 4 itesessn and miggrAttpgyitt 440 tkoidiasive" rod s. l 44t rififaa rritot !Ph wi4owerli.,l46"l - time. Kr. lommox, from thr _et the add armeners cairn , land.'Selltered in the lUssOM‘iset of the Irish litsheries. • hP 1 1 1 ; 109 * vier* pamented from Frame Seiwood, in the County of Somerset, praying for the entlie abolition of Slavery in the British galenite, The Report of 'the Deland County Treasurers' Bill was re. ceived ; when dal amendments which had been moved by the Earl at Donoughmoarim Friday were inserted, and the Bill itself wee ordered to be read a third time to.morrow. The Earl of DONOUGHMORE said he held in his hand a Petition which reterted to a Bill (Ireland Grand Jury Present ments)in progress through the other House, and expected to come soon into this. It was the humble Petition of Edward Parker, Clerk of the Crown for the Peace of tale City and County of Limerick, who complained of certain parts of the peirti. ant Bill, and prayed their Lordships to expunge the same.— This Petition was shortly read, and ordered to lie upon the table.— Adjourned. HOUSE OF COMMONS. The SPZANER took the Chair about four o'clock. Mr. BARNARD presented a Petition from the Tanners of the:town of Bandon, praying for a repeal of the duty on Bark.— Brought up, read, and ordered to lie on the ta b le. Sir R. SHAW presented a l'etition from the Chamber of Coin 'mime of Dublin, praying for a revision of the law between prin cipal and factor. Brought up, read, .and to be referred to the Committee. A •Petition was presented from the Tanners of the town or Kinsale, praying for a repeal of the Duty on Bark.—Brought up, read, and ordered to lie on the table. Mr. CURWEN gave notice that, in the Committee of Supply on Friday evening, he would sub mit a motion relative to the chtitu.s.of Captain Manby. Sir J. NEWPORT presented a Petition from the Coroners of the County of Galway, praying for a restoration of their Fees. Brought up, read, and ordered to lie on the, table. Mr. Sheriff Lucas presenteda Petition from the Lord Mayor, Aldermen, and Common Councilmen, of the. City of London, praying that some parts of the 11111 for the more speedy Recovery of mall Debts in Southwark might not pass is a law. Brought up, read, and ordered to lie on the table. Mr. COKE presented a Petition from the Owners and Oc cepsees of Land in the vicinity of Norwich, complaining of Agri cultural Disarm—Brought up, read, and laid on the table. Mr. S. WORTLEY presented a Petition from the furriers, Shoemakers, and Lkther-sellers, of Whitby and its vicinity. complaining that the repeal of half the Leaches Tut had, instead. of relieving the trade, depressed it.—Brought up, read, and or., (lewd to lie on the table. Mr. S. RICE presented a Petition from the Chamber °Mom fierce at Limerick, praying for a repeal of the Tax upon Lea-. they. The Hon. Member made some observations on the benefit which weaid result to Ireland from the repeal of the Tax. Mr. CA LCILA FT said, that as soon as the inquiry into the conduct of the Sheriff of Dublin was finished, which he hoped would be very soon, he should then take the first unoccupied day far bringing forward his motion for the repeal adze Leather Tax. The Petition was then read, and ordered to be printed. Mr. S. BICE presented a Petitiun froM Belfast, which was real, ordered to lie on the table, end be printed. Sir RON A I> FERGUSON presented a Petition from Eirkaddy, in Fifeshire, against the alteration of the duties on Sulphur. Mr. HUME made some observations, after which the Peti tion was brought up, read, and ordered to lie on the table. Sir T. LE : T II BRIDGE presenteda Petition from an indivi dual named William Parker, complaining that, by the represen talona of the late Chancellor of the Exchequer, be had been induced to go out to the Cape of Good Hope, and Kole at Al goa Bay. I'he Petitioner was accompanied by 220 individuals from Ireland. lie complained, that iu consequence of the con duct of Lieutenant-Colonel Bird, the Secretary of the Colonial Gayer molt, he had sustained great loss and inconvenience.— The Petitioner prayed for an inquiry into his case, and for such relief as the House might think 1.: to grant. — The Petition was brought up and read. It complained of the conduct of the Go. vemor of the Cape of Good [lope, and prayed for inquiry. Mr. WI laNlO'f-lIORTONsaid, that the subject referred to it; the Petition bad been fully investigated, and be was in a.pod non to state, that there was the strongest rinse facie evidence against the Petitioners He bad no objection to the printing of tine Petition. .Mr. HUMP. hoped that the Honourable Baronet would make a substantive motion upon this subject. The grossest in justice had, he,beiieved, been endured by the widen. Mr. WILMOT- HORTON explained. Mr. C. HUTCIIINSON believed that the case of the Peti tioner was one of great individual grievance. Mr. H. G. BaNN ET wished to know whether the Govern ment was still engaged in attempting to seduce wretched indivi duals to emigrate to the Cape of Good Hope Mr WILMOT-HORTON said that the grievance teas rather overstated by the Honourable Member; but it was not the in. tendon of the Coiernment to allord very great Intent facilkieS to those who whheil to emigrate to the Cape. - he Hon. 0. BENNET conceived. that tbe persons who had seduced the Inhabitants of tliii country to Algoa Bay were delsly answerable to the country. Sir N. COLTHURST supported the prayer of the, Petitions though lie could not agree wi the. Host. Mcotbitt toe Simms bury {Mr. Bennet) In tyodlTDAlni the Peg!) , udder ilea' out rodeo to the Cape of Good nor. • Sir T. LETHBRIDGE . ..in moving that the Petition should be laid on the table. observed, that the charges contained in it w are of * s orry grave natureaand the Colonial Secretary/as deeply troweled braise investiggthao• &t ;thin hits period pf tho however, he should make oo further Motiodoit the subject. Mc. GOULBURN objected to thediseession of Mr. Parker's ease p i t 12 resealing a Petition.—Petitiett ordered lobe printed-- A essage front the Ueda announced that their Lordships had given their anent to several private Bills. Lord doLTHOE.P moved that the Order of the• Day for the second reading of the Lancaster Couhs BSI should be read; for the purpose of postponement. The Order was read, and the se cond rending postponed *oil Thursday next. Mr. Serjeant ONSLOW postponed his motion connected with the topeal of ashen' relating to Usury until this lay sennight. CONDUCT 01 TUB ==RIFT OF DUBLIN. Mr. CALCRAFT moved that the Order of the Day foe the House resolving itself into a Committee of the whole Elouse to• inquire into the conduct of the' Sheriff of Dublin should be then read. The Order having been .read, the liouse went into Committee. Sit A. It liGiug was the first witness called, on the motion of Sir J. Sferriono% ta ileum to Sir J. Havrottes question, the witness said— OD ifOrmer night I stated thit I was an drangetrian to the ' adoption of the system of I*2o. I took the oath: :• the old system. • Was this the oath 7—.(Reading the following oath)— * I. A. B. of my oven free will add accord, do solemnly pris• mist and wear, that I will support and defend his Majesty Xing george the Third and his Successors, so long as they maintain the Protestant Ascendancy, and that I will support end maintain the Laws and Constitution of these kingdoms. I do swear that I am not nor elms was a RomanCathelic or Papist;l that X am cot, nor was I ever an United Irishman, and that I hasp ,nevar taken the oath of secrecy to that or any other sedi. o°lo-SPIOe-ty• And I do solemnity swear that I will nielletray or sibltalk that which is privately conimunlcanmil to imeg that v . sill . sseither vote ft or indite it, or stamp, stub, or esenrse upon any parchment; paper, wood, or stone, or illiorioNoispte to that it may be known. So help me Gon, awl bap trop dim& fast in this my Orangeman's obligation." I cannot take upon me to say that all the words ate contained ' carry awry toodrfriiniany-Westsieaceptammanitlen, and that Mal hoer as enemge t sever beard it. Neiman ;awl*. Ovarigeroan t the approbation et`the whole body?-L-I w of no rule *hid. No Roman Catholic cis iliialsaltald: ear arryswermot 24.-Ceau entity nor. Dues the Honourable Hannan recollect having printed forges reheat distribution a Patailiter in dodo T...-Yd, I do, eaactly that which 1 delifiered in at the Bar of ahis Hoare. lin the Paper which 'I have delivered ht theta bombe vefwassimarodensPar 144efult There are eeponsieurvillas had welds* Popham' II .disibialehed from an Oraelgamma • : ' • • ; ;I) • ~ . • 11111 sat are those words? .-•:r , i ,:,.. tige. PEEL here rose to order, and:thel witness having withdrawn, the Right HOttoorable fietretary peoceeded. They were now, hip app . rehencied, ar ming at that part of the examination in which it wt. qiiite right to interfere., The -point to which he was altiont to call the attention of the House was the • -questieir about to be asked. Ona preceding evening the Hops, had, 'be thought, expressed an opinion, that'it'was better not to press a wknessnnless some advantage could arise from it—anless it served to ,proonote the object. of inquiry—(Haar, hoar).—He Apprehended that this question had been' set to rest by a division of Vi to 19 on the former evening. Now ,the object of the propoied question was to ascertain the symbols and tokens by which those Societies re cognize the members of their fraternity. Sir J. NEWPORT.—The words. Mr. PEEL.—I understand the question to have referred to the symbols. • The question was read by the short-hand 'writer, 4 0 What are those words?" , Mr. PEEL.—WeII, these words they were bound not, to' disclose; and though he fully agreed 'that the . House had the power to propose such a question, and, in the event of a refusal to answer it, a right to send the witness to Newgate, yet he submitted that such a proceeding was rather unlikely to treequil lize Ireland. A Bill was now on the table of:that House, which in the course of one fortnight wield make all such . Associations illegal in Ireland ;-- as they were, he believed, at that very moment in England. It followed, therefore, that for the purpose of sup pressing such Associations, the examination was un necessary-; and it was certainly not a very relevant inquiry, a,s far as the conduct of the Sheriff of Dub lin.was concerned. He trusted, therefore, that the Hquoirible Baronet would see the prudent course, and not prewthe question. .. Sir JOHN NEWPOUT conceived that no ques tion could be justly considered more relevant than that which he had proposi'd to the witness. He was desirous of ascertaining the principles and feelings of an Oi angeman, and thus discovering viliether he la boured under such obligations as rendered his capa city to discharge the character of an Indiffet ent Juror utterly im a nssible. This was the only question which they were then to try : it was their objet to inquire' whether the singular selection of the Sheriff did not , originate in some adequate cause; and if that should appear, it was worth while learning the reasons that induced the selection. Were they, in fact, the men whom the Sheriff selected, proper persons to admi nister justice? But the 'Light Honourable Gentle man took a distinction. between syrnhols and words. Now suppose the symbol by which Orangemen should recognize each o th er were the worms " Fater rninate the Catholics," ought not that to be known ? The question was, should the witness by some pre tended, or if real, some illegal obligation, be ren dered sacred in the establishment of that House, and enabled to withhold from them that information, which, for the purposes of justice, they had a right to require? It was a very late hour when the question was moved, and it was impossible to pronounce the judgment of the 'lovne to be foal on Friday night. Bat suppose it were, the Committee had since time to reflect; and in the early part of that evening by direct and positive affirmation, they agreed to compel an answer. He begged leave to say, he was not as well versed' in- the Scriptures as the Orangemen. He should have said Anwaites before the Arnalekitee, which the Honourable Pdetntier 14 Dover, is his can dour, had, though reading the chapter, totally omit ted. What if.an Uoited itishman was.before theta? Would their sacred obligations, be respected? In other times they could. not, arid not only that, but the most cruel means, were used to extract answers. If witnesses - were allowed net to answer questions, the COMMittee was no longer a Court onnquiry. If they were not compelled to answer, allasvirstess t ijad to do, was, before coming to the bar, to teki a oath, not .te tell the truth._ lie was *l4-tht , a . , ...J. 5„...„.. .........,,,,d to be rfafPFA. 44r . • felt it would disgraoe itself if it did not oar thus occa sion do ire duty. Ilse tarlianitent only 4quid degrade • itself, Auld he hoped it would not do so. /t Was said thisanswer worth' make a martyr:' better mate. a martyr than allow a triumph over their rights . and privileges. It was said that a Bill was in proktess to check those Societies, audit was opt his fault that it was tint long since passed. .Public opinion now _forces' on that Bill, which had nothing to do with the question what an Qsangeman may be, but what he was when an. Orange Jury was packed,. and the ends of justice thereby defeated. lie intended pq4 severing in his question, unless prevented by tho Committee—(Efear, hear). Mr. CALCILAFT said a view wee pp; on his con-, duct on Friday which he did not think correct. Va rious circumstances induced his moving the adjorn- , meat ; but he had no intention of pracjudios any eza , , Initiation which any Gentleman, naJght think proper; to make. He did not think the question very pertr-1 nent to this inquiry, but witnesses should be made to' feel no private obligation could shelter them from giving proper answers. Mr. GOULBURN did not wish to shield witnesses from giving proper answers; but he wished to ex- . press his opinion as to the propriety of; queen put to him. The individual here did' not refuse us aniwet , any question, and he further thought jt would he un necessary and indiscreet to pees* a llavilefnef- 04. material point was omitted—namely, that the Stair was hot cognizant of.the thengeman's obligation as: affected a brother Orangerisen. It was stated that the Sheriff was not an Orangeman, and therefore he was ignorant of their signs and obligations. The , were put, he should oppestrit. -- Mt. A BERCRONSBY tho itbelonour and dig , aity of the House, and the volved in the qoestionpist A, v o r i lFsa , What w!,, s , the object of inspiry ?--W)4her the Shines Peril was impartial. The Sheriff himslifleid be .11,d Orange panel. When thee is an Orange panel? Must not that be examined ipso ? - _ 14:House of. Cninr p s pause and send this hi*k synth the acicnow 7 I OM that we have troth 'to thit':Orangernen, E m 4: a we w a h re ole good. qni n on d ryal abmit subjeets Orsligemien so long I . s w y h Ou 9 s . it a i l-l d: /ow us to rule yob r.—(flear, fiear).—This question I Could not stop: it Was not who should triumph, that would be pusillanimous. If there was any party 4n . ' ~Ireland.obatrusting justice, it should be put down. Years ago the ;people of Ireland were - told (so !Indy as 1614), that-Oranne, Societies were a complete bar to the fair administration of jpstice. To use the words - of a Ltaraed Judge's (Fletcher)Charge, "they poisoned the very source's/ justice." With respect' to the principle, he could, for one, never help saying, that this witness would -be the victor over the fallen House of CoaltuQuil if aligf Melded to the opinion jostdelivered. BUt suppose this witness sent to New the triumph, all which be might receive i 4 Dublin from-ehe Oragleggien, would be nothing to the triumph of his having subdued the House of Cow moos. No laurel could be greater to obtain than this victory of the witness, which would send him 1 into i Court of Justice armed against the Bench by ; the fall of the House of Co m m ons . i Mr. CANNING said, he-merely wish - edverylWiefly to state his opinion on the . subject then before the Committee. With respeet,tp the'powers - of the house be had no doubt, though of the exonfiency of pres sing the question to the witness he bad much. They had certainly the power to over-rule an unlawful oath, rather he should 'say in this case an oath not prescribed by law; %chile, at the same time, he re tained all those apprehensions as to pressing it which be expressed on Friday evening. He thought it would lead to the most eisastrous consequences, and was therefore to be deprecated. Since the first diicussion of this question he had had forty-eight hours for mike tion, and he now came to its renewed consideration with precisely the same feelings. Let those who thought otherwise look to what might be the conse quences. Ile bad reflected upon the matter, and, be thought. it ,better to stop before the question was' put, than to wait for the witness!" refusal to answer it, and then render his punishment necessary: If pursuing this line of conduct was -to continue the ex istence of Orange Societies he might feel differently, but where a Bill was to be brought in to put them down, it was not expedient to - add to the testimony before them the • additional information *NOV might be furnished by an answer to this question.-- The Committee should resolve in one way or this' other; if for the question, however, they mini ai;).sit. at. the risk of all the dittcolties Which may result from it. ' If it were pressed, he Would not interpose again ; and the refusal of an answer would, no doubt, bring them to the full'performanee oftheirduty. He thought it a matter of discretion - to stop now, rather than at the moment of conflict between putting the question and a refusal to answer, it being, he hoped, unnecessary for him to mix up an objection to the question with any partiality int.' Orange Societies. He would conscientioudy exercise the very same slis cretion if the witness were an United Irishnsau; and he was always ready to vindirate the privilegeauf that' House and its Committees. Mr. BROUGIiaI confessed he could have *lsl.— . that his Right Hon. F r i en d (Sir J. Newport), befor e he bad entangled the House with a new question, had waited till that question was repeated, which after a debate, the House, on Friday, had almost ottani.. trouttly resolved should be put, and which in the face 'a/that iksolation, the witness had pertinaciously and • eentuntaciously refused to anniser—(llear)—hecause. Wore they extended their inquiries, it was proper to decide what44s to. be done as to that question, whicbs if she flousu..setaissed the semblance Of dignits and respect for, its privileges, should enforce suesllll this point oily, however, which was a question merely of precedence cploitpOnernent, did - bed!** feom his Hight Zoik. &Male., Tor the • que.slion be. fore these, tains cosielviseetim relevancy ?.....(bigeriP ft wastoo late to doubt it. • They had evidence: dot * §h pock esie had . hraggeit th at he had ass Orange panel in his et. • Otiond BA Rat toss te order, for ofpub- Be justice. The. Hon. and Learned G ent would .see the impropriety of prejudicing the accused, by =midair% as proved what was only asserted. It was• denied that the Sheriff had made stub a declaration. Mr. BROUGHAM continued. The Right Ho nourable Gentle's:44o4ot* tiarry), who had con. ducted his part of the inquiry with great candour, . and acuteness, and ability, had lo s t sig h t e f' t h e ab!. solute impossibility of arguing any case without re. • cortiog Jo the evidence. When be spoke of matters given in evidence, he did not mean to say that they were satisfactorily proved. He did not wish to pre judge the Sherif: DOD forbid. • He by ina means wished, to stern that the Sheriff bad beets guilty of packing a Jury ; • on the contrary, he was bound to suppose that be would. prove himself inpoceut. Yet tboY bad it In evideocetbu the Sherifrhad come Into a room full of company, and bragged that be bad an orante•Jury, or a good Oreng• • Tiri, in his pocket. And Si the Way, when it will stid'that this was con; .undictedibie would reatark diet a *OS entire failure than the attempt to contradict it bad never lioesiyit nessed in, any Court of Janice; for—w-- • Mrrumurr rose . to eider, and hoped Humor/Us and Learned Friend wOuld, excuse hint illse readied hint to- that linewhich. he hid himself so well marked our, It was quite proper to refer tea the evidence, but it could untie; no goodpnr stemuleat at that time. ma its weight. • . * Me. BROUGHAM aerated : he had been dragged -very unwillingly into a discussion on the atm= of 'die evidence.. It was eno ug h, however, to ye that the Sheriff was said in evidenee to hate used the . words, 4, I have an Orange panel," with tokens of sa if not of esoltatlon; they then we-t on to ,hat was, the import of this declatatinn might be the resblt of hiving an Oran ge • it might not : this might depend upon ute elicited by further inquiry as to the nature .ange panel. The House was yet in doubt, the effect of forming an Orange Jury was to pollute the source of justice. He could eat-telseis _ for granted ; he was bound rather to helie e e. t h at 3 . . the matter mere probed to _the. bottom, the Sheriff *TiltoWe out of the acc u sation . free from htarne; .. tog bi l i 74l - poc r ly unable-to ;rime to any condoling' atilt erOoareviderwe. The Right Hon. Bieris so ris for' Ireland:hid irld'thenilbat 'it WAS tat lftneit ' , at the Sheriff wainn Onarigetnan. "Tbe Sheril et . is 'firi ' OrittigEma" • 'raid •the' ht Itortorwalde , til *m n, iry:. 7144 1bn mest•-fisst prone Rig .that theedsarlll ; , 4 :mm• 1 ..eattati; that beis cognizant of the • . . rU'ss - r rePecting . iehiCh you inquire:, . ra's•not 'at - all: the-case; the- assertion- a n be tr' Moth as . to the fad, 'Mid lil tO its import, was, thatch'.. Shrift had nerd- !lee weeds, " I have an panel." 'llsei. had to .;tty What an Orange f. . )r p a 3 1 meant—.(ilaer, Leer).4-E4.lm , the inquiry w e I Lmocireiy, .nitif Was tieemeary to goant with the qe*, rtion. It war tint enough to say, 'they had got inter • a serape,- and -they had valet out of it as well ee l they could ; there bail: been appeills made ta their discretiao which tea s, they were told, " the head part Or ii:lnut i• -(t:aughing); —there had bees apt peala,tot their - jasigment : which has equivalent is this twerto - wword he should not name ; but, ho ever they eloathed and varnished over the matter, if they even sheltered themselves under a phra; `which had-never been more ludicrously abused, dryly dignity--( A lenerd—the truth would ear—.hay, mast yield 0' the 'Deputy -Grand Master of all the Orangemen—Gear, - heft'.)—To prove a question to be irrelevant, it was enough that Sir Abraham King did not like to answer it—(Hear, Ilea r )..--They w ere ~at length, on Monday, after those 48 hours of refler. . :kit, which were so comfortable to the Right Boa. Gentleman (Mr. Canning), and so pernicious to the House—they were not only to bend to the unreason able pretences of the witness, but they were to take fright at the very sight of him, and avoid the possii. bility of coming into contact with the uttinut retie of the Orange King—( A laugh, amdlouri deers), On Friday they approached the querainu,. but now it was barely necessary for Sir Abraham to dem himself; he might say, Vogl, culls rici—(.Haugh);' The only difference between him and his great p ro w • type ,was, that onedmquered by seeing, the other by being seen. Let them trot suppose that the Public were blind; let them call their conduct discretion, err' judgment, or as they pleased; let them colour their effeminacy in -whatever way it suited their. palate, the Public would use plain language; and sly ; that Sir A. B. King, because he was Depbty Grand Master of the Orange Lodge; because he was in favour at Court, and came here loaded with honours; because he. was connected with persons-of influence. in that island, was not treated by them as,giey e mild have treated a poor United.lrishman, or. - aTrinter, whoa they, might have- had .at their Bar-L(ilerar,. hear).4 Lord Redesdale, in thinause of Lards n• year*. the quoted him because ;he wailan aotliptity); said r . there were in Ireland two sortsnt justice, one of them,. for.the rich, and another. for the Foot, and both ell them equally indefetisible. tt s would itoyw be said, 'with as,nucb tr4th that the Hoe* OfCturreoons had one set of privileges .against the:. riida;anrl .another against the poor; and the iii he Hob. Gentleitqa (Mr. Canning) who had asseri.W iiirStaretwitlei to '. be believed, that he, atould treat in the.Prill manner an United Irishman, would be a must tp:f.AP. : did exception to the general rule.:-(ficor,lerth)r..... Let them suppose an 'United Irish Sheriff, if there was such a thing, to-the brougbt.befoce them, charged with-having- peeked a Jury, to allow those traitem whom his Right Hon.Priend- (Me. Plunkett), holding with an even hand the gales of justice, bad put upon their trial. Let them-suppose him to have said, aL have a good stout. Gateenduce," se "as Erin-ge, bragh Jury," .or whatever their watchword mgt. be. II he were ached what ant the meaning of On wotrie:Geeen," . and were to answer," I am as United Trishman,-I am board-by solemn obligations saw tt , disclose their secrets . ," Would tire Right Hon. Godirt man thin step forward and declare that they should .not press the quastiaa,beccetsztkey should not afford, 1 the triumph of martyrdotal—(sffaan),. If, he aids* he would betray his duty,. as he did now; be-would `afford are delinquent the triumph. not of mattyrdrie beta sabataatial reeeets,-41iear s seeldo- 'fly eall11( pretend - scl s tber , pleased . that the Oraige &ciao were to be put, ilown by erns that would !ITT!! —the eestePS vying baste What ' was ,prountals6i_ what was tame, abet Aker filmed so, offend . the OM* Societies 'eves Inc - what was pvetendell whelk/ WI moment of their tatisterree; and thee to pies*Abraham ring from 'obtaining a triumph thelion* was to lay its neck under hi s feet.ilicar). . Mr; WYNN said, he felt the House coati net di eldeeither we/ without inconvenience, bat suggestion that the question was aseesaerYtube it a gems of the inquiry he did not see how dump twig refrain from pressirtit—(likor, .heer).. It whew* test that the symbols or watchwords of a seder atle• ciation might be very taischievous while the oat were Very simple or innocent. leppoleb- for is net a society of t7ttited4rishmen or Cabala. WhO had a simple , oath of -fidelity (as tharof the United Irishmen. was in effectji, but who halls thin 'watchword, . 4 Let them bind. their rulers in duke or any other passage to the same effect front & Scriptures—.(geor) Ile suggested, however, thick would be well to postpone the question till ssa ed. ther questions were put. ' SI J. NEWPORT iii4,494*14;„ ~ lith . le! of the Committee, posseigli:fisgag Cr - : - * ll44.c rif - KI/4 4—e- r hiC hIVIFIFIar : o , lolllliiiiiiiiY 1 14411ii40014.4i4 U 4 4___lZ tialfratho question pot, wheduina n y paw _ nor . Ut thed stun symbol torinoll7re , i lo J., 4 , , t ....i .. ,..-gy - . '' _Sir J. NEWPOILT said 144 hildigiiigar . .to postpone it. .S 3 e:. I. n .i.,h A • Colonel B t AltftY 'aid' Itelholidipleat ilideet. ~ rim% Ifl li tTl e iii 4 Vl 4".. . iaiii •ti gnawtialli . " --.. “ iilf - 0 04-.1 "4 . Omit of the Cominittek 24..vidi: . . . - • ' 4 -. Mr: CROKER said therelveiv a MI/Maw bent. g question on a*otion and one. put to trwiteal 141nui air. isIiohJGHAM appealed to theStaskts'.. they any question ikoposed to be put to a w is.mol, 'in that Oath, or that • not - Mt ..__ • Vas irrelevant—(ll- i, • r . • (action, . ;. '' ' eluellif, r' 7 / :*" i she* of the ....:- -'o 4 o k , a , ‘ "- in nire tvi riTS. . w• .. . I ia..' . _. . • eras tie f'O,l 6 P .g „, ~ • 4 . , , mo d . Mr ( r . ewpor*, . 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