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? , 1: 1 1 s i t ! r: P i , r, 1:. 4 ^ I Q. i ~~. the 11, use, and yet Le strongly disapproved of the petition. d tria:Gtaineal that it was unwarranted by any language In Scripture. He deplored that such sentiments could be used. ard was quite sure that they were calculated to pro mote any thing rather than the well-being of the kingdom, and the cause which it was said they were meant to pro :.rte (Hear.) Air-DI XON expressed his strong disapprobation of the p. titter, and sit;d he should take the sense of the House a. meat receiver g this petition.—(Cheers..) S.r G. ('LE it K said, he should not have uttered any re visal:, b -t for the proposition that the petition should be rejected ; it was the first time that It was asked to reject a petition on the ;,Found of its expressing speculative o_pinions. The petition carne from a respectable body of clergy in sea -Eon. If he might give advice, he would recommend that the petition should be withdrawn. (Hear.) Sir It. INGLIS observed, that till lately 658 Members !we're to the truth of the language; and that the King on the :Loose still took an oath to that effect. Mr. O'CONNELL asked whether the language was de cent or respectful ? Was lie who held such language a Christian ? No Catholic would use such language towards a Protestant. He had hoped that the time was arrived when such party language was not to be used. But as to its lee. be would again put it to the house, would it be civil and respectful to address. hint, and say thltlis religion was complete idolatry ? It was as little idolatrous as the religion uf the honrurable member for Oxford. and ought to be respected as much :in that house. It wax the religion of at least one.third of the British empire, and was it, therefore, re-pectful to those Christian inhabitants of the empire to ball them idolaters ? Would it not be disrespectful in a Rowan Catholic to call a Protestant a heretic? He considered the grant to the Roman Catholic College of Maynooth as legiti mate a subject of national support as any other. Mr. HUAI E said he had read therpetititm, and the only feeling it excited in his mind was that of pity and regret that there should have been so many people found in Scot land to express such sentiments as were uttered in the peti. limn. But what did it avail?—(Hear.) Would it affect him if any man called him an-idolater or atheist ?—(Hear.) So long as people kept their hands off his person, he cared not a single pin what they said or did. (Cheers.) The ae. tidal was worded in a respectful manner as regarded 'Se House, and he entertained not a doubt that the opinions they expressed were sincere. He hoped the bon. member (Mr. Dixon) under such circumstances, who sat near him, would not think of rejecting this petition. If such a petition were to be rejected, it would be as much as to say no peti tion would hereafter be received, but such as in the discre tion of the few who sat in that House ought to be presented. Every man had a right, especially in these times, to express his opinions, and the House undoubtedly ought to receive the petition. Lord A ',THOR P regretted as much as any man could regret the language that had been used by the petitioners; but he had always laid it down as a rule that if petitions . were respectfully worded, they ought to be received. When petitions contained language reflecting upon individuals, or upon any sett or party (which this petition certainly did), he thought it perfectly right that such a petition ought to go no farther than merely to be laid on the table. He (Lord Al:horp) would therefore give his sanction to the petition being laid on the table, but he should certainly object to it being printed, should the Hon. 3lembcr propose that It should be printed.—(Hear, hear.) Mr. WYSE said that he should object to any course of tejection being taken on Ibis occasion, which might here. atter prove to be a precedent. The slates were too enlight ened to regard whatever might be said by any person or persons respecting their religious tenets. He thought it . quite right that every individual's opinion should be re ceived in that 'house, when it was presented in respectful . lenguage ; theirefore, he hoped the petition would not only be received, but be printed. If the house attempted in this instance to controul the expression of opinion, there was no • knowing where the consequences would end. Mr. M. O'CONNELL hoped the house would recol lect that a few nights ago a petition was rejected, pre aented, he believed, by the honourable member for Pres• ton, from Stockport, which certainly was worded In much more respectful terms than was the present peti tien ; but it was rejected on the ground of its disrespectful langitage. Lord AI A N DE%' ILLE considered that, constituted as the house and society now were, this petition could not safely be rejected. He, for one, as a Protestant, could cer tainly not give his support to this grant, which was to be made for the purpose of disseminating principles that he in • his conscience believed to be erroneous. Mr. RUTH VEN considered the language of the petition to be too offensive to be received by the house. Mr. KENNEDY regretted that such language was used • in a petition from Scotland, but after what had passed, he hoped the printing of the petition would not be pressed. He lamented the proceedings of the Orangemen in Scotland ; they led to the most calamitous results, and yet annually there were processions:Xt. promoted, and painful conflicts ensued ; and he deplored that there were men who were ca pable of encouraging such proceedings. (Hear.) Mr. LEFROY hoped the rejection of the petition would not be carried. It opposed a certain grant, and it meant not to calumniate members of that house. Sir F. BURDETT said, the question was not whether the grant was to encourage the Catholic—but even that was not the object of the grant—it was not to encourage the Ca. tholic religion—it was granted to educate Catholics at home, rather than that they should be sent abroad. It was not jus. tifiable to use such language—and why it was used he could not conceive. It promoted no good object. 'The petition had evidently calumniated the religion of a large number of and it was impossible but to believe that that insult persons,ad been intended. 'The bon. baronet then observed, that be had a petition, which he intended to present on the first opportunity, from the Rev. R. Taylor, who was under a severe sentence in Hoesetnonger-lane, for uttering words In sulting to our religion, and if the f acts in it were true, they would require the serious interposition of the house. Tbs boo. hart suasemd that the petition should be withdrawn. Petition ordered to He on the table. Captain GORDON then !moved that it be printed (No, no.) He maintained that it was weeded in respectful lan guage. (Loud cries of no.) It was signed by 28 ministers and 11l Elders of Glasgow. In moving that it be printed, be considered that he was performing a sacred duty. Lord MANDEVILLE (we believe) seconded the motion foe printing the petition. Mr. J. WOOD declared the language of the petition to be most unwarrantable and offensive. Sir J. BUKRE quoted the language of the petition again, and asked whether it was respectful or not? Mr. V. FITZGERALD spoke of the danger and incon venience of making that House the arena for such discus sions, and he should therefore resist its printing. If it were allowed, those who desired to traduce any of their fellow steljects had only to embody their sentiments in a petition, and to get some member to present it. (Hear.) Sit OEO. WA REEN DER regretted the language of the petition, and that it came ftom members of the Church of Newland ; but he was of opinion that it did not, by any means contain the sentiments of Scotland and its church— (hear;hear,)--for, which lie had the profoundest respect. Sir GEORGE CLERK said similar petitions had bon presented from Aberdeen, etc. and it would be to throw a slur on this petition, not warranted by facts, if it were not printed, while similar petitions from Aberdeen and other plates had been printed. Sir H. PEEL said he should have resisted the opposition to the receiving of the petition, but he could not support the proposition to print it. It was calculated to promote very vest inconvenient:eta encourage these polemical discussions, which they would be doing if they allowed the printing of this petition. He could not forget that there were six or seven members amongst them to whom such language must be offensive. (Hear.) He should therefore oppose the print ing of it. Mr. STANLEY opposed the printing of it am the like grounds. Mr. O'CONNELL said that the Aberdeen petition was not read when presented, and that made him Inquire into the contents at this petition. It had been read, and the had MOS'et bald be had adopted all its sentiments; who then raised this diseueslon ? (Hear.) The sentiments of the hen. mover, however, were not new • they were by 00 ki means vowel ; they were those of the anbh Inquisition. (Cheep and a laugh.) He felt grateful for the manner in which this petition had been received by all sides of the House. ( Hear Captain GORDON remarked, after the manner in which the petition had been attacked, be should press its printing _ Ag i t i was cleated for a division, but the motion was negatived without a division. lit. O'CONNELL moved foe leave to bring in a Bill • to retwon.tate and amend the Jury Laws of Inland. 111r.STANLH1( seconded the Motion, which woe dna agreed to ENZYME KIHICKANTS awn !NZ BRAZILIAN ecrirsast MINT. Dlr. DICKSON, agreeably to the notice he had gloss, rose to make his motion relating to the conduct of the Bra. zilien government in 1828 and 182/1, when the Brazilian squadron off Buenos Ayres, and privateers, had captured several merchant vessels belonging to England, and kr which the owners had not:received any compensation. The honourable member proceeded to state several eases of oppression that had occurred, and produced communica tions from several merchants on the subject who had been sufferers. He recapitulated the result of several negociadons !with the authorities, and said that it would seem as if the conduct of the Brazil power bad been countenanced by the sanction of the late government of England. He stated that owners of the English vessels that had been captured had made repeated applications at the Foreign Office, craving redress during the last five years, without success, and that even now the only answer that he could obtain was that a negotiation was in progress, which would bring the matter to a termination. The bon. mem ber regretted that Lord Palmerston should not be in his place, knowing as he did that he was to take his scat that night. The hon. member concluded by moving, that an humble petition be presented to hta majesty, that all papers and communications relating to the government of the Bra zils, and the claim of the British merchants, should be laid on the table. Lord A LTHORP trusted that the house would see that it was impossible to comply with the motion, u a Deter:lo tion was then going on in the most direct tarns oo the sub ject, and it was contrary to every eoune, under such cir cumstances, to produce papers while a negotiation was pending. Mr. HUM E did not think that the noble lord had given a satisfactory answer. The petitioners had been applying for five years, and their chins amounted to a half a million.— The chime of the French and the American Merchants had been settled by the Brazilian Government, and still the Eng lish claims remained unsettled. He knew that such being the ease. it would require something more ample than what had been stated by the noble lord to satisfy the public mind. He had seen pan of the correspondence from the merchants 'on the subject, and he thought it strange that Eagland with so many resources should suffer itself to be so treated. The hon. member said, that he had recommended his hon. Mend, who had brought forward the motion, to defer it till that night as Lord Palmerston was to take his place, and he con sidered it was treating the house very improperly that his Lordship should have absented himself at that time, when he knew the motion was to he brought forward. He (Mr. Hume) would support the motion, and• he would divide the house on the question, unless something more satisfactory than what had fallen from the noble lord should be laid be fore the house Lord ALTHORP said every thing was being done that was proper, and it would be extremely improper and in. convent to call for the papers at the present stage of the pro. ceedings. Mr. WRANGHA M said that he was sure, from his own personal knowledge, that every effort had been used by the Government of the late Administration to adjust the differ. mess. Alderman THOMPSON supported the motion. He had not been aware that it wu to be brought forward that ukht, or he would have been provided with documents to how that several ships, which had been captured, had been en tirely lost, as yet, to the owners; and, unless some une quivocal information was offered to the house, be would recommend the Hon. Member for Glasgow to press his motion. Lord J. RUSSELL assured them that the claims of the English merchants would be satisfactorily attended to; that a negociation was then going on for that purpose. Sir C. WETHERELL was favourable to the models, and said, that unless wine assurance was given that the claims for compensation of the British merchants would be prose cuted, he would be ready to support any resolution that would forward it. Mr. DICKSON replied, and said that, in themes time, he would rely on the promise of the government, and he would not press the house to a divi ► ioo on the question. After a few observations from Lord ALwisoar and Lord J. Russeta., the conversation dropped. LIVIRPOOL ILIC nor. Mr. RENNET said that he had been assailed by the peas out of doors, and be had been attacked within the walls of the House with not being sincere in bringing (award his motion relating to the election for Liverpool. He could as sure the House that he was perfectly sinew., and that noth but failure of physical power should prevent him. He ho that be would be allowed to defer his motion till that y ? week, and he lived that no writ would be issued for Liver pool till he had brought forward his motion, which lie pledged himself to do on that day. Leave given to defer the motion till Tuesday next. 301017611 or ORZAT 'EDWIN. _ Mr. G. BANIEIIBpre from the borough of Great Beduin, setting forth that, by the census of 1821, ' they had fallen below the number of 2,000 only by 72, and that they by the last census exceeded the number by 100, being now.upwarda of 2,100 In population ; and praying that they might not be included under the &franchised list. The Hon. Member said that he would not at any greet length enlarge on the petition, as be understood that a motion would be made by another Hon. Member. whkh would afford him opportunity of enforcing his reasons of supporting the petition. The petition was ordered to be laid on the table. TEE canna. Mr. MACKINNON moved, that the census of 1831 be adopted instead of the census of 1821. The Ism member at great length urged his reasons in support of the motion and said, that be was afraid ministers, instead of listening to the reasons, would merely reply to him by other wall.or. ionised opposition. He concluded with moving that instruc tion should be given to the Committee that the boroughs in schedules A and B be considered under the census of 1831, and not by the census of 1821. Lord J. RUSSELL said, he considered it too late to bring forward this motion, after the House had already been employed in Committee four days. He contended that the census of 1821 was the only sure dmiument that could be relied upon. It was not merely the precise number that had been kept In view when the data bad been adopted of 2,000, but it was also kept sight of that an increase must have taken place In many boroughs since 1821, and they had' taken their basis accordingly. Had the government thought 81 to have taken a later period, they would have adopted 'another basis, so that the result would have come to the same point. The aroma of 1891 bad been taken without' any view of this or any other measure; while it bad been ascertained, that in the census of 1831 numbers had been esept Into different towns for the purpose of swelling the population, and after this fact being known he thought that the House could not adopt it. hit. G. BANKEB did not think that what the noble lord bad said was at all satisfactory. He was of opinion that even those who were ready to support the noble kid his measure generally would in this point differ hem him. (Cries of No, no.) It was • common practice with some honourable members to interrupt gentlemen who rose to ' express sentiments opposed to them. He had remarked in particular the hon. member for Sussex, with whom it was no uncommon practice to give these interruptions, and be had not the same excuse to urge for hie conduct that some others might make on account of their being yowl, mem. ben, and not acquainted with the forms and edqostte of the house ; but such interruption should not provost him ( Mr. Backe.)) from speaking his sentiments, and that too at too ineossitierable length. The bon. member premeded to state his reasons for improving the soden, which was grounded ott the plea, that as 21100 had been made the arbitrary line, l l many boroughs which sow had operands of WOO iehabltants. and would at present be qualiisd by the adoption of 1831,' would be disfrimehisod. (Hoar.) The disfranchisement of Mr. Pitt was founded m compensation. (Hear, bear.) The ' hon. member for London interrupted him, no doitht to in. i ifown him that he was in the boost. He was glad he was there, that be was not as/cep, and that his (Mr. B.'s) spe'h had not put him Into one of his suderilics. (A laugh.)— He would take this opportunity of alluding to the boa. member's constituents. He had great respect for their in. telligence and wealth, but them yea growing up among them, as among the constituents of other hos. members, a spirit of despotism he was astonished to see entertained, and no leas so to am submitted to. (Loud cries of hear.) He admitted that there were many glorious epoch in the history of the city of London, but there were in it other epochs of a di& &rent character. At the first rewind= they signed a po. dtion for the 'bond= of the bench of bishops. (Haw, and a laugh.) Some time after, when Cromwell was going to dine with the worthy citise as, be was received with the greatest enthusiasm. One of his attendants remarking to blot how great were their damostratioss of attachment " My good friend," said Cromwell, "thole worthy chasms would about just as much if yea and I were r iding Eel. ban on our way to Tyburn." (Hear, and a ) Aad, la feet, tea yews alter, they become woe mare worthy ad faithful subjects of Charles Sham lie had boa dim ase these remarks by the iataratiew et the Worthy alder. moo. He would not trouble thaw Anther, except ID ran that he cordially supported the modem (Star, ham) Alderman WAITS MAN, halm bon a paileidesir alluded to, mud offer some observations. He bad what the hoe. member had been all the wills at, and when he introduced Mr. Pitt and nearnatiew, be could not avoid meking the exclamation wbleilalatinseted the hon. member's notice. With respect to time sty of London, with regard to which the boo. member bad Md. such a long digression, he would merely say. that Wheaten' the Hberties of the country had been called Is josedis, ft bed stood forth in their vindication. He iwipaway re pelled the charge of being fettered. As to pledges, did not every member, when be put an advertisement in the public papers, pledge himself to certain measures ?—Hear, and No, no !) No such pledge, however, bad caned his, (Alderman Waltbman's) return. He had been elected because he was previously a reformer. This was the case with the county members; they merely stated on the hustings, sentiments they before entertained. But was It becoming in a mem ber for .• rotten borough to talk of fetters and pledges.— Would not all the rotten borough members be called to ac count by their patrons, if, for instance, they now declared for Reform ? Compensation ! and for whom meant ? for the poor electors, who gave their votes to men they knew nothing of? No; for the borough proprieron—for men who speculated in the rights and liberties of the public. They would lose peerages and places with their loss of in fluence. But that influence was improper, and, therefore, they bad no right to compensation. (Hear.) But he would not proceed further, for these discussions were originated only to create delay. If persisted in, be hoped that, as bad been already suggested, they would meet at ten o'clock in the morning. Mr. HANKER, bad be not been interrupted, would have added, that be considered compensation as now out of the' question. He was sorry he had forgotten to add this, as it would have saved them the worthy Alderman's speech. Lord LENNOX said it was the Member for Corfe Castle, who was fettered. If he (Lord Lennox) was not mistaken, he had bound himself ow the day of election to oppose Re form, and had rivetted his fetters closer than ever that very day in Pall.malL Lord ALTHORP said, his Noble Friend had already stated why the census of 1821 was preferred. He would now merely say, that, as stated is the preamble of the Bill, the object was to disfranchise inconsiderable boroughs. Places with leas than 2,000 inhabitants in 1821, were coo. sidered by Government as inconsiderable boroughs.—( Hear, bear.) Were they to take the census of 1831, they would have to raise the standard of disfranchisement. ( Hear, bar ) Mr. R. TREVOR was for the census of 1831. Its non. adoption would be unjust, and would create dissatisfac tion.—(Hear.) Colonel DOUGLAS, we believe, was opposed to the population of one year determining the elective fianchise. He knew one county, in which two places bad increased in the last ten years, ore by 36,000 inhabitants, and the other by 30,000, whilst places in their neighbourhood had de. creased In a similar proportion ; at least, the last returns, as showing the actual state of population, should be preferred. Mr. PRARD said, it was inconven ient, it was stated, to change the censuses, because much alteration must then be made in the bill. Were they, for such an objection, to re. jet the knowledge and experience acquired in the last ten years ? The census of 1831 might be unfair. He could not believe that government had not the means of causing it to be accurate. But were they, because there might be in. accuracies in the last census, to prefer one confessedly and universally in ? He denied that motions like the present were intended for delay. Could they expect by delay to overthrow the bill ? They only wished to improve it, and the present was an evident improvement. If that foreigner, to whom so much allusion had been made at the Introduction of the measure, were to witness our rejection of ten years' experience and knowledge, assuredly be would think that far more than in our pens/ codes, than in our ad ministration of of our Courts of Chancery, and h 1 one sys. tern of fines and recoveries, bad we to acquire in legislative wisdom. The division then took plane. Noes, 344—Ayes, 163—Majority, 76. The House then went into a Committee on the Reform Bill. Lord MAITLAND rowed, that the borough of Appleby be removed from schedule A to B. He repeated the state. merit, that one of the two parishes belonging to Appleby had been, b_y mistake, separated Bons it. Lord J. RUSSELL hoped he would show that Appleby bad not been unfairly treated. Some places had certainly been separated which had been united. The boroughs of Buckingham and Tamworth bad, for Instance, been sepa rated from the parishes, whereas the members eat for both. Appl had also been incorrectly sepsosented as connected eby with only one parish. It extended into two parishes. But there was a difference between boroughs comprising and bo roughs extending into parishes. The latter case was that of lAppkby. Part of it lay in the parish of St Lawrence and part hilt. Michael's. Amongst the returns before the house was a letter from the Mayor of Appleby, stating that that borough comprised out of 1360, the total of the inhabitants of St. Lawrence, 851 ; and out of 1264, the total of St. Mi. cheers, 103 r amounting to 1064 inhabitants. (Hear, bear.) He bad received information concerning the number of 100 householders in Appleby, but he would Dot enter into it, as populpopulation was their test. Its electiv e franchise was held by ation tenure. The borough was, in fact, a nomination one, as such nomination had been exercised fors long time Indisputably by two noble lords. H e t h oug h t t h e ev id ence troisoon convince the committee that they bad not done wrong in placing the borough of Appleby in schedule A. Mr. CROILSE said, he perfectly agreed with the noble lord in desiring to have the question decided on the justice of the ease. (Hear.) One of theladvantages of the late po pulation returns was that they separated the population of the boroughs from the population of the parishes. He wished to ask the noble lord bow the population stood in this respect with regard to Caine ? Lord JOHN RUSSRLL said, be had made no particular enquiry respecting the borough of Gine. Mr. CROKER said, the Noble Lord was most learned on the subject of Appleby—he knew the length and breadth of the parish; but he knew nothing of Caine. though it was a borough on which the Noble Lord could receive full infor madon in his own cabinet. He believed the Noble Lord , had been led into his mistake respecting Appleby by igno rance, not being aware of the mistake made in the popula tion return of 1821. The Noble Lord admitted that the return of population of Appleby, for 1821, was erroneous; and when he found himself mistake:4,w should have looked for further information, which he could have found in the population returns of 1811, in which the two parishes, of which It was composed, had more than 2,000 inha bitants. In the population returns of 1821, hfabessbury was under 2,000 inhabitants, and was acesediegly included in Schedule A; but on further examlnatien, it appeared that the population of the peel* ex celled and acecrdfsgly It was placed in ashodole B. The same wee the case wwllttiltt the hermit of Ookhempton, and yet the noble lord refused the same *doe to Ap pleby. The Borough of Heidi= was allowed to zeta both Its members, though, if then was any justice io the House, Horsham should be put in schedule A., and Appleby should be put in schedule B. In the population return of 8811, Horsham Borough and Parish were returned as having a population of 4,607 persons; but there was a note that stated that, in 1811, the population was returned in three pans; the Borough was returned in 1714—the other two &Listens made the whole population, by that return, 54140. World any man, with a sew of jostle., vote that , Bonham should engin bOtltlte members, and-that Appleby should kw both ?—(Hear, hear.) There was a case even stronger ; that was the borough of Mospeth, which was Am placed in schedule B; but it being found that by taking in the parish,the population a m ounte d to 4 , 1 0 0 , it was taken out of the schedide. Its franchise.—( tsar to the full enjoyment of Hear.) Mr. CART RR said, the people of Appleby themselves did not, in their petition to that house, stems to say that the return of 1811 was correct. (Hear.) The fact was, that the borough did not Include the two paddies, and the pope laden return of 1621 was the correct ma (Hear.) In all die cases which the Right Hon. Clentleman Imod igloWd• the Perdetton of the single parish in whisk the Moogk town was showed had been added to the borough, as was dew in the eased Tunweetb, and all silt mossi but is no case had the population of two perishes ban addedr—(Heer.) Mr. RI IDLE Y COL BURNI sold the lousagh of Hoe. sham was entitled to its two ritemben by the IPlrgadis is' taros ; but all legumes would be allawnelly deureved by the bill ; and the fact was, that two pallemosa were row canvassing that borough, in opposition am the Mow hoe. not (Hess, hear.) Colonel DAVIS wished to ham whothw the implied's of the lowa et Appleby was over 2,110, In whisk ass be would Mobs it; bat he wished the periled's to be eat. lord es awe as cep the Sow& Lord JOHN LL odd the town did set maids Dear WA hbabilmis. (nem) He would ow ono west ea time imp of gerdellty which the right hos. bed then& se e. (Hear, bear. &Cin= uses oat of the'disdain, ms the ) appraised." of errors in the population returns, that were in the Tory in terest, drag rail in the WlZ:Fest. (Hear, hear.) But the right boa gmesmisies was so ext ra vagant, that he are wail blit he Wight bow nemiewired ; for, however aspens the to night he &sunk he was eaddent the earairay would .it eassider it a insosore of partia lity. (Gent AMINO Lill INCOME odd the nob Iced bad acted with per feet hopmdality in the cue of the borough of Truro, which he and bad rakes it out of scheduleß ; and he b the whit lord would do equal bodes to Appleby, by taking It out of schedule A.—(Hear, kora.) Lord ALTHORP said, in the case of Truro, the popu lation was cootalned to the town, whereas, In the case of Appleby, the number could only be made up by bringing in the rural population of two parishes.—(Hear, bar.) They had, from the great difficulty of separation, admitted the rural population of a single parish, but in no case bad they taken the rural population of two parishes. Sir R. PEEL said the house had agreed that the popula tion ratans of 1821 should be taken as the rule of diafran. allotment. By that return ' if the population of both pa rishes was taken, Appleby should not be wholly disfran chised. If the b orough was in one pariah, the population of that pariah would certainly be added to the town ; and be could see no reason why the population of the two parishes should not be added. (Hear.) Sir C. WETHERELL thought evidence should be heard at the bar, to prove the facts respecting Appleby. When a worthy alderman gave a vote to examine the cased Appleby before be should decide, his constituents called him before them : and he was obliged to adopt the language of Minis ters, and admit that he had inadvertently consented to hear evidence before he pronounced judgment; and then his con stituents were ratified. Had any one heard of such tyranny In nomination boroughs? In the progress of the bill the principle of Reform was developed. What nomination should they not have from Saffron-hill, from St. Gibs's-in-the. Fields, the rural population of the City of London. They would have a jscobin—a relentless savage dictation that no man, with the part of a gentleman, or with a conscience, would submit to. _ _ Sir C. LEMON said:the population of the town of Truro amounted to near 7000. Mr. ATTWOOD said It had been argued in support of the present arrangement that the magistrates had no juris diction beyond the borough ; now he understood, on autho rity, that they had jurisdiction in the perish as well as in the borough. He therefore contended that the borough ought to be taken out of the present schedule, even on the ground taken by the noble mover of the bill. By the census of 1821, if they would only correct their own errors, there were upwards of 2,000 inhabitants. Sir E. SUDDEN asked whether the Noble Lord was prepared to redeem his pledge, to hear evidence ? Lord ALTHORP considered that this was not a case for evidence; it was not because the magistrate licensed houses to a considerable distance that they were to consider the extent of the borough to be corresponding with that power. As to the charge of partiality, he did not feel that it had any ground. Mr. GOULBURN thought the case was dear that this borough ought to be transferred to schedule B. He said what had been done respecting Reigate applied to this case, (hear), for there the borough extended into the neighbouring parish. (Hear.) Where was the distinction between the cues of Reigate and Appleby, except the noble lord was to say that he had committed a mistake in taking t r Z li a r .te ed out of schedule A, and placing it in schedule B ? (Hear, hear.)' Lord MILTON contended, that If the borough was transferred from A. to B, the mover of the bill would be acting in violation of his own principles. Mr. Alderman WAITH MAN spoke to the like eirect. file. J. SCARLETTconsidered that the population of the two parishes might be:deetned to constitute the borough of Appleby ; and that, arguing from what had been does in the case of Reigate, &c. it would be an act of justice to place Appkby in schedule B. Mr. J. BROUGHAM sappoeted the retention of Appleby in Schedule A. Sir H. HARDINGE said that the principles now ad vocated were most absurd. East Retford, because It was corrupt, was to retain two member, while places that were Dot charged with being so, were to be disfranchised; so true was it that weak minds might pull down, though it required r strong minds to aeate. J. RUSSELL said, bad the weak minds had their way, they would have transferred the famehise Is itaatat. ham; but “ strong minds" insisted on maklng Ade WNW against Reform, and of retaining what was maw termed the corruption of nt Retford—so that if there were dilliesky and Inconsistency, they were indebted foe them to the " wrong minds."—( Loud cheers.) Mr. CROKER sod Mr. W. BANICES sald,that Appleby would be hardly used if it were disnunchleed. Mr. HUNT should vote for the disfranchisement, because he was against all nomination Lord MILTON and Mr. C i lt r a i rlß having explained, there were immense calls of " Question, question I" so loud and beauwees way they, that the Chairman's order to with draw was not heard—bat that of the Rome was, and in a voice of thunder. _ . _ _ _ - The - o;ll — eribeing cleared, the Committee (and the Home wee very full) proceeded to divide., The numbers were— For the amendment ... ... 228 Against it Gomm Majority for ministers ••• 74 Appleby, therefore, stands part of the demise. The CHAIRMAN then reported progress, and obtained leave to sit again this day. On the boom going into committee on the hackney coach act, The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER, in answer to a question from Mr. Warburton, said that mage•macbse were to be allowed to take up and set down passengers in say part of the town. The orders of the day having been disposed of, the House adjourned at Half-past Two o'Clock. FOREIGN INTELLIGENCE. EXCLUSIVE. FR---7ii%Fir. We give this day a complete view of the elec tions. Our readers in running through it will be convinced, that in spite of the existing electoral legislation, in spite of the sumativres of the mi nistry, and the support of the restoration party, the just masts, as it is self-named, has not retured a very numerous party. Of the 459 Deputies which the Colleges have elected, we reckon : Deputies forming pert of the dissolved Chamber ... 2111 Of Anterior Chambers . . •• 7 New and popular mem .. • • ... 107 Re-elections, in consequence of double nomination 36 Not returned (from accident) Total 469 Thus the former chamber was composed of 430 members, 212 of which have been ousted. Amongst those may be noticed Messrs. Agier, Decaux, Villemain, Dupin (Charles), Parlor (Au gustin), Baron Louis, De Bigny, &c., and a good number of others, devoted body and soul to the present system. The legitimate party, as it has been termed, has lost all its champions. One alone, M. Berryer. has tamped, and hi presence at the chamber will serve to establish the liberty of the elections. The popular party have to regret some men, such as Messrs. Corcelles, Abatucci, Cbardel, Cordier, Bachelu, and d'Argenson, who sunk under ministerial manoeuvres ; but every thing leads us to believe that in the elections which will take place in consequence of the double no mination, several colleges will claim the honour of electing them. Of 32 millions of citizens, about 120,000 have by the elective franchise in circles of 10,000 privileged electors, chosen 459 representa tives—whose capacity, patriotism, and political probity are approved by the payers of direct taxes.—Le Revolution. Marshal Soult has addressed to us, by the organ of the Meesager, rather a tardy reply to a part of our article of the 12th of July. We said in that article that the effective number of the troops which could be put is line was, on the 10th of June was, but 300,000 man, taking then at the extreme. We bad seenSaW with our ov ri eyes—the exact table of the situation of the va llo regiments ; a situation which the chiefs of corps mend ordinarily the Ist of every month. 11, copied the following numbers, which we give perfectly authentic : Soldiers ... 13.838 Total ... 393,422 If you would now wish other details, with figureA, we can give them; but, without expressing pr e . cisely the figures, we will just tell sufficient thlt Marshal Soult may be satified that we are in ti, : secret. Thus our army is composed of 67 Regiments of the Line 21 of Light infantry 8 Companies of Discipline 2 Regiments of C,arabineers 10 Regiments of Cuirassiers 12 Regiments of Dragoons 14 Regiments of Chasseurs 12 Companies " Bedentaire" Under-officers 30 Companies " Sedentaire" Fusiliers 13 Companies " &dentate" Dragoons 6 Companies of Hussars 11 Regiments of Artillery 1 Battalion of Boutonniere 12 Companies of Workmen of the Artillery 6 Squadrons of the Parks of Artillery 3 Regiments of 30 Companies of th El et e rof Alilitary Equipages 3 Companies of the Workmen of ditto B4uipage s 1 Battalion, forming eight companies, of Workoitn . . Supposing that all these were complete, could they be put in motion ? No ; for there must always be deducted men for depots, aid not equipped, not mounted (and those are very coc sidereble). Then even, there must always be de ducted from the amount the following corps, solely destined to the interior service, namely--24 je gions of Gendarmerie (14,000 men), 3 battalions of Mobile Gendarmerie, and 20 companies of Veterans; 2 " Sedentaire" companies of Gen darmerie, the Municipal Guard, the Pompiers, the Voltiguers. All these reckoned in the tons! carries the amount too high. In fact, there must also be deducted the army of the Morse and the army of Africa, which forms an amount of 17,00 u men. All these deductions made, there would re main in June 1831, 250,000 men more or less in a position to be put in line. Call it 300,000. That is the most. We said it, because we believed it true ; we believed it true, because it wan not possible but to have faith in the papers which were com municated to us; because the source was so au thentic that we could not have been furnished better perhaps, even by the marshal himself. So much fur the facts. Now, Marshal Soult accuses us with misrepresentation, and behold his words— " When those who proclaim themselves patriots par excellence, calumniate the country, and re present it to Europe disarmed and without defence, it is more than malevolence ; it is a spirit of trea son, If foreigners, deceived by the Tribune, set foot upon the soil of France, they would soon ficd that that generous land did not want defenders, armed and ready. But, no; they know better, o: as well, the true state of things as the Tribune. They have, like it, reckoned all our soldiers ; they hays reckoned them, and they know what they have to trust to." It is not we who ever doubted the national force ; it is not we who have had fear that this generous land would fail in defenders ; and if foreigners know any thing, Marshal Soult, they know very well that it is the vigorous portion of the population which would be formidable to them ; they know also very well, that it is the obstinacy to extinguish patriotism —to disgust an ardent' and powerful population and to ruin a country by an excessive budget ! It is that, Marshal of the Empire, it is that, and nothing else, which is the spirit of treason. We have not hesitated to make known to France that she had no need of a budget of 1500 millions exacted from her while she is still humiliated in the face of Europe. 1500 millions to deliver our natural frontier to England ; to place us perhaps in a worse position than we were under the re toration. 1,500 millions to receive every day con tempt from all the abortive Princes of Italy; 1,500 millions to allow the law to be made by Austria ; 1,500 millions in fact to have muskets which are unserviceable, and $o put nearly three hundred thousand men under arms. Pray is all that calum niating the country : is it unjustly accusing the Ministry ? The country Let it not be said, that it is suspended at the caprice of M. Perier or Marshal Soult ! The country, thank GOD, is not so much identified with them, that in touching the one we attack the other ! That certainly is a strange pretension ? Yes, the country will be saved; but only by commencing to reject you, by removing afar from its affairs all traitors. The war which it will wage is not yet known ! It is no longer the inert mums that must be launched the one against the other ; it is the intelli gent people that must be raised ; it is the citizens intoxicated with enthusiasm ; these are the flames of the country which must be illuminated. War against the Kings of Europe ! it is Francs, it is the French volunteers wbo would run at the first signal to the Rhine, and retake those strong plac which you have lost to the country. It is the people of France who would commence, it is the people of Europe who would finish it for us. Of war, as we would have it, Poland has given the example ; but you, who have no soul ; you, whom liberty has always found cold and callous, you pretend to the gloryof giving fear to foreigners! no, and I tell you this with profound oonvicdon, if des pots have any hope, it is in you. But they. know never one of them sullied the French soil whilst the people were king : there is then for us a voice which has echoes in Belgium, in Germany, and even unto Russia; it is we alu m who can awaken all the sympathise which you have witnessed.— Yes, should the foreigners come, it is we who must rise to repulse them.--La Tributes. The 'minister of Finance has just published the table of the produce of the indirect taxes during the first six months of 1831. The following are the inost important results of that publication : The produce of the indirect Taxes dudes the first six mouths of 1831 f. 118,813,000 The same products, during the cermissmillog .. period of lan, save 24,017,000 &knee to the ilsalmat et 18111 33,214,1 00 The leverlos the ea ohms, comosasi;; from the Ist et Jemmy het, exploits that dladoutlea by a sou ot _ 17.400, 090 The reel dasisatka Is, that , es;potei to the resalts et 111* 15,8140 0 . It Is &vita thus t &ludo at the list 3 maths 6,137.0 40 The iwad Disimiks i asasaila 107 7 1, 18 . lamaaels wpm& la dam et du Mot • maid 100, ear a in at 44,1177,0110