Star. — London, England, 1821-01-23 00:00:00

OXFORD COUNTY MEETING: . . . . TOTAL DEFEAT OF THE MOCK-LOYALISTS. :. The result of this Meeting,held in the hitherto strong of Ministers, was looked to with much anxiety tidill . parties; and public feeling was never more equivoca lly displayed than it was yesterday in '--- s treets of Oxford, even long before the hour of ng arrived At an early hoar the space int diately o pposite the Hall was crowded to excess, ne tta doors were kept locked, and constables were sta- ' ; baed there to keep off the crowd. T he Ma g istra t e s sod a few private persons were admitted through the i n ce ,:oors, but no accommod a t ion whatever was moo r. to t h e persons who went down for the London fi resi , At the hazard of their lives, they were obliged ,6 cl i mb over a spiked iron railing ;in that endeavour 6-:Gemleman received some personal injury. At hall-past twelve o'clock, the doors of the Hall , ex th ro wn open, and the multitude made a dread- fa rush. The utmost confesion followed, and in five m inuses afterwards the Hall was filled almost to suf focation. We should have stated, that a few minutes before, Lord Macctesrieeo, the Lord Lieutenant of *County, Lord Hoeesteo, Lord JERSEY, and Lord CHURCHILL, all of whom were received with warm cheers, the two County Members, and other persons of distinction, had been admitted. The SHERIFF, having taken the Chair, read the Acquisition, in pursuance of which, he said, he had called the Meeting. He hoped that every Gentleman who should. address the Meeting, whatever might be his political sentiments, would be heard with patience and impartiality—(Applause). .Mr. Ram rose to propose the Address to his Ma-, jesty. The times, he said, were of that complexion, which called even on private individuals to state their opiiiions....which called on good subjects to express al one of gratitude for the numerous mercies which, they enjoyed—which called- upon them to proclaim to the King, to the country, and to the world, dint, because they feared. Gon, they therefore sionottred ead obeyed-the King, and all those who were placed in authority under him—(here repeated and long esetinued hissa; interrupted the speaker). The SHERIFF called in vain to ordef ; at length •Lord HOLLAND rose. His Lordship was received with shouts -of tumultuous applau.e. He said, he had no right to'address a single word to the Free holders, until they listened to the Gentleman in pos session of the Meeting—(Applause).—lt was impos sible for him to say anything, unless they allowed that Gentleman to give him something to answer— (3houts of applause). 1 Mr. Rein said, that it was written in the sacred volume,. that every person should be entirely subject "to the higher powers"—(Hisses and interruption). Lord HOLLAND again rose. He entreated them edam the Gentleman ; if they did not like the dish, at least they ought to wait to take off the cover, in order to see what the dish was—(A laugh).—lf is . should happen to be distasteful, the friends of liberty srould see avhether they might not add some Consti lational sauce !—( A laugh and applause). MI. REID continued—Whosoever, he said, resist lie Powers that be, resist the ordinance of GOD , ‘X written at the time when the cruel bloody tyrant Nao was Emperor of Rome—( A voice in the crowd —"He was bad enough, but we have our modern tyrants!").—Mr. Reid said he disliked tyrants ; he was subject to the Divine commandments—the friend %social order, and to religious toleration-:-(Cries of "an so are we all").—He derived great per sonal benefit from having associated with his party -(Load laughter).--He rejoiced that the party in power were tolerant —(A laugh).—He called on every good subject to rally round the Altar and the Throne. He saw with honor the publication of sedi , tens and blasphemous publications ; he detested docmnes which would rob the people of their com forts in this world, and deprive them of salvation in The next, Ile would say no more than that the times leaned a big with the fate of Cato and of Rome." He concluded with moving the Address. It stated the attachment of the County to the Person and hilly of his Majesty ; and although the loyalty of Oaford was suf f iciently known, yet at the present 'clod, when sedition and disloyalty were so openly avowed and so industriously circulated, the Freehol der' feit it their duty, as good subjects, openly to IiOW their detestation of doctrines so subversive ofevery loyal and religious principle, and which, if continued to be propagated, would promote public calamity. Sensible of the blessings they enjoyed, they ventured to approach the Throne to express ”eneration for the Constitution in Church and 'seir determination to defend it. STnatros, Captain of the Yeomanry ‘.o second the Address. He said, that fished to serve up was a dish of loyalty, ional sauce—( A voice in the crowd— . not sword saucer ) Mr. STRATTON : tencli Jacobinical sauce!—( Ilissesa— to see a spirit of hatred to established disloyal and irreligious spirit skewed Jrarts of the country, and still continued so —plisses, and continued disapprobation).— ' to the history of the last thirty years, Id what he said was true—(A voice— , taxation and ruin r —Applause.) In im, borrowed from Voltaire and the of philosophy, began to take rout in (Hisses). The name of Liberty was to destroy everything that was dear. Ise of the country made a struggle principles; but the generous, warm, leans of Irishmen were more easily they were betrayed into acts of open voicefron time crowd—" They were tor hish were deluded—(Cries of ,4 Thiy Tel, Castlereagh deceived them .I—they :suaded to invite stench armies to their . would not go at length into the arts made use of to disturb the country; but it 'tat popular assemblies were taken ad known traitor;—(Hisses, and cries f .!“) the. mover, requested Mr. Stratton to part of the subject. :ON vehemently declared that he would :ontest between " the friends of social led much enjoyment to the Meeting).— of such persons was not loyalty to the but it was directed to that tvoman— and indignant eadainations from every part of the Flag cries of " Shame!'' and vehement cries of ; animals aS Majocchi, the ungrateful De I .‘fort, the-ea " the Queen l" " her Majesty the Queen," interrupted , meleon Sacclii, and the reneeado Itastelli--(Applansen the speaker). He might say to those Ministers, "Oh, tnild and Mr. Item a g ain interfered, and entreated, hi * low merciful accusers—mo;t noble judges—most un tone, of Mr. Stratton to change the subject, but in biassed jurors, how mild and how liberal have been vain ; the confusion still continuing, I your decisions !"—(Applause).--They did not intend Lord HOLLAND again rose, and requested that the to stop in the House of Lords. •If report spoke truly, speaker might be heard. If they did not hear every they had entertained the intention to bring fresh evi man, and that the Address should be rejected, it denceinto the House of Commons--to throw more would be said by their adversaries, that they were fuel on the pile, in order to destroy their already defeated by clamour.--(This admonition produced (half-consumed victim—(Loud applause).—But the instant silence). growing feeling of the House of Lords, the high tone Mr. STRATTON , proceeded—The Noble Lord had of the People, triumphed, and the 13111 was crushed talked of adversaries. He (Mr. Stratton) knew of no —(Loud cheers).—No event could promote more :elvers:li ies—he wished to hold good fello hip with public satisfaction than to see an end put to the trial; all Englishmen. and the Amendment he proposed was merely to ex- Lord HOLLAND—The Gentleman says he knows press the hope that his Majesty would give directions of no adversaries--he wishes to hold terms of good that a plan of- conciliation should be proposed in fellowship with his countrymen; yet what has he order to tranquillise the public mind—(Applause).— been doing but libelling the People of England for He would say a word on another subject—the dis the last quarter of an hour ?—(Loud applause). tress of the country—the depression of its agricul- Mr. STRATTON said, he did not wish to libel the ture and its commerce. They had seen years of People ; but many who were naturally loyal, were peace and seasons of plenty—yet they were also years seduced to become traitors to their country—(Cries of sorrow and suffering. There must have been mis of " Nu, no.") If he wanted a proof of the fact of management ;he would not at this moment say what disloyalty towards Goo and the King, he might point ought to be done, but he would say what ought not to the doubly convicted Atheists. It was the duty of —there should not be a lavish expenditure—the Pe the County to address the Sovereign. The distresses titions of the People ought not to have been treated of the country was another and a distinct question, with contempt—there ought not to be a standing which at any other time he would gladly discuss. army—(Applause).—A great man (Mr. Fox) had once Lord Jenszy next rose, and was received with said, that he would be sorry to see the day when marked applause. He said, that he would not fol- Englishmen would be allowed to meet to praise the low the Gentleman who had just sat down, through acts of power, but not to assert their rights—to de alt the stages of the French Revolution—the opiaions plore their misfortunes, and not to suggest a remedy ; of Voltaire—or the calamities of Ireland, but would that day he hoped had not yet arrived, and he hoped come immediately to the question before the Meet- that the voice of the People of England, loudly ex ing—(Applause).—He believed that the Hon. Gentle- pressed, would triumph over every opposition, and man, though, perhaps, impassioned and hasty, bore preserve the liberties of the country—(Applause).— ill-will to no man—(Applause).—The Freeholders of ThesNoble lewd, after regretting the necessity of Oxford met there to consider the propriety of an Ad- differing with some Gentlemen present, concluded by dress to the King, to proclaim their loyalty to his moving the following Amendment : person, their attachment to the Constitution, and their But while we thus declare, as a consequence, our unshaken abhorrence of blasphemous and seditious doctrines. loyalty to your Majesty's Royal Person and Family, our attach- Ile thought such an Address unnecessary ; he be- men: to the Constitution, of which we here offer your Majesty an assurance, and our utter abhorrence of blasphemous and se 'sieved that was the opinion of many others. The ditious publications, we trust we may be permitted humbly to Freeholders of Oxford, loyal, moral, and religious as represent, that we cannot but observe, with the deepest regret, they were, felt that their character was above stisno the irritation which has been excited amongst aU classes of your cion. They did not—could not, feel it necessary to .IVl43eny's faithful subjects, h _ by the late extraordinary proceed eki•leopfeese! it to r eg s n instituted nr dn t duty, agai humbly nst and e r earnestlyisl aj es t h e disclaim doctrines which no man with truth could Queen, exie- an ou d r impute to them—(Applause).—He would fearlessly such measures of conciliation may be adopted as may tran say, nett it was a gross and scandalous libel on the 41 uillize the public mind upon this most painful subject. People of Englann (generally speaking), to say that "We cannot, i at the salue time, refrain from humbly praying that attentionynur. .vaj cn be paid bewill to h gr t ac e eriosuesvlypei,til.se ltlset e t s o sby directwhich thatih the im they were not loyal—that they were not attached to mediate the Constitution—that they were not abhorrers of Agricultural as well as the Cortin:rcial interests of the country blasphemy—(Loud applause).—He was convinced, are so generally and alarmingly oppressed." that if any man looked for power in this country, he The Rev. Mr. FILMED (Rector of Lower Heyford), would be more likely to gain his object by practising in seconding the Amendment, condemned the whole the hypocrisy of Cromwell, than by affecting the i n . of the recent proceedings of Ministers against the fidelity of Paine—(Applause).—He did - net deny that Queen, and lamented that they had found so many wretched men might be found in the country, who supporters among the Gentlemen of his profession— were anxious to disseminate blasphemous doctrines, (Applause). As a Christian pastor he yielded to no but the laws were strong enough to punish them— man in a deep sense of loyalty and religion, and he (Applause).—Every candid man would acknowledge, believed that the imputation of blasphemy and sedi that with respect to those who were tried and pu- tion cast:on the great body of the-people was as un nished—who, in the language of the last speaker, founded as it was unchristian—(Cheers). were twice convicted, what they•had - done created Mr. PEENS, of Chisehlen, opposed the Amendment: nothing but universal disgust—(Cries of True, true?) and in supporting the Address, disclaimed the slightest He admitted that the times were difhtult ; there were intention to insult his Queen, or to support the men dissatisfied and discontented men, but he believed sures of his Majesty's Ministers. that their discontent and dissatisfaction were greatly Lord HOLLAND then came forward, and was hailed increased by the conduct of the Government—(Great with loud cheering, which lasted several minutes.— applause). It was for that reason that he could not If, said his Lordship, the Lord Lieutenant of the separate the Ad,fress from interested motives, from County and the other Noblemen who signed the Re objects which were not avowed—(Applause). Affect- quisition thought the avowal of the propositions it ing only to express attachment to the Sovereign, and contained useful to the King, to Government, or to detestation of blasphemy, it went indirectly to ap- their fellow-countrymen, they did right in calling for prove of the conduct of Ministers—(Applause). Of this Meeting. In calling openly fur it, to express their conduct no friend of England could approve— their opinions in the face of day, they came forward (Applause). What was their conduct ? They did like Englishmen, and presented a striking contrast to not consult the interests of the People—they neg- the conduct of those men who would speak in behalf lected to attend to their Petitions—(Applause)-ethey of a County, but yet durst nut call a County eleet took every occasion to increase the public discontent ing—who would skulk and lark in holes and corners, _(Applause). Did they not force on the Country a for the purpose of libelling and calumniating the subject which engrossed the attention not merely of People, and who would send to the Crown, from the England but of all the world—a subject which made sinks and sewers of their own houses, a stream of the most Unthinking to-reflect, which roused the most what they called loyalty, as the strong current of the indolent, and alarmed men who were hitherto the public opinion of the country, but which wa as like most learless- s justly alarmed them -for the liberty that opinion as a stagnant pool was to the Thames. and morals of their Country ? 'nine had, most im- He concurred in every word of the present Address, properly, agitated the Country from one end cf - it to except the paragraph asserting the prevalence of blas the other—(Applause). H e ne ed scarcely mention phemy and sedition—a charge which ought not to be what lie meant—the conduct of the-Government to received as an allegation of fact without proof, and the Queen of England—(Applause). He would ask which they could not know, nor did he believe to be upon what principle of justice was it that her Ma- true—(Cheers). —He certainly could not concur in jesty's name was not inserted in the Liturgy ?—(Ap. opinion, that persons were disloyal because they did, please.) And after having degraded her Majesty, not go the length of the Mover of the Address. The' why did these men offer her a sum of fifty thousand scriptural quotations of that Gentleman certainly pounds a year ?—(Applause). • astonished him not a little : he (Lord Holland) knew Lord MACCLESFIELD here rose to order. He said, where to tied the injunction to " fear GOD and ho that this topic had nothing to do with the object ex- nour the King ;" but where was he to look for the pressed in the Requisition. addition made to it by that Gentleman, of being The Melt Sumer seemed to think with his bound to fear all that were put in authority under Lordship. him? They always prayed for the King, he knew, Lord HOLLAND contended that it hid. He would and they used to pray for the Queen---(Loud cheers) not stop to notice the candour of those who made the but never, that he knew, for "all in authority under objection, after they had themselves adverted to the him." GOD never ordained that all Authorities should disturbances of Ireland—the transactions of 1792 be held sacred :it would be a strange inversion of the and to the French Revolution ; but he would clearly beneficent order of GOD, to enjoin that, under no cir shew, that the irritation produced by the proceedings cumstances, should resistance be tolerated against against the Queen, had everything to do with the created man! From this doctrine of the Hon. Gen objects of the Meeting.--r e His Lordship was going tleman, he confessed he began to suspect his loyalty: on, when the High Sheriff intimated that he would not he might, indeed, be a very loyal man to James 11. entertain the objection made by Lord Macclesfield:: and his descendants, but not to the House of Hano- Lord jEIIbEY proceeded. He saw no necessity for ver: that sort of loyalty savoured, too, of French opi s the Address as proposed. What was the conduct of nions ; for it went to countenance Louis XlV.'s re the Ministers towardsthe Queen ?—they offered her ception of James, and his daring to go to war with money, which she rejected—(Applause)—and then this country for his restoration; just al the Tyrants they brought in a Bill of Pains and Penalties—they of Troppau were now doing with the King of Naples. first punished her—(Applause)—they then offered to Respecting the Address to the King, he concurred in reward her—(Continued applause)—she rejected the all its expressions of loyalty, but he did not think it reward, and then they turned round to punish her— decent that it should imply a charge that was not (Loud applause). A Bill of Pains and Penalties was true. His Lordship then pointedly alluded to the odious, but was sometimes tolerated—for what ?—for reign of James IL He (Lord Holland) verily be reasons of State necessity. Who could prove the ne- lieved, that it was the servility of the Addresses of cessity here ?—(Applause). Who were the prosecu- that time that induced James-to contemplate the esta tors ?—The Ministers of the Crown—(Applause). It blishment of Popery—(Loud cheers). He warned the was said by one of those Ministers, that no accused Addressers of the present time not to conceal the person had the advantages of the Queen—(Laughter); truth from the Sovereign, lest they should mislead but if he went back to other cases, particularly to the him into a belief that his People were blasphemers, case of the Duchess of Norfolk, he would find that and hostile to the Throne. He was inclined to be the Queen had not the advantages which others were lieve, that many signed these Addresses without se allowed. The Duchess of Norfolk objected to the fleeting on the importance of their bearings. As a prosecutor sitting as a Judge—(Applause).—She had proof of this, he hoped they would excuse him while only %le prosecutor. How many prosecutors had the he related a London story, which, cockney like, he Queen ? All the advantage her Majesty had was a had just brought down with him—(A laugh). • There second cross-examination of such perjured, wretched were two Loyal . Declarations now circulating in the • Afetropolls. rffere the Nob!e Lord drew topics of them from his pocket, and carnmentedonthern.3 The first was "from the undersigned inhabitants of Hack ney, which complained of the prevalence of blasphemy and sedition, as tending to subvert thefaith of Citatet:' In looking into the coliimit of signatures, the second name he found was " Zachariah Levi, of Stamford , hill." It first struck him that this Gentleman might have been one of the worthy persons who go about, converted fi cm the errors of Judaism to Christianity ! but no, that was not the case—(Loud laughter). The next name, however, was that of a Jew beyond all question, for it was that of M. N. Rothschild, the great Jew Loan Contractor, who comes forth in this time of peril to express his excessive dread of therpre. valence of any opinion calculated to impair the sta bility of the pure Christian Faith !—(Peals of laughter for some time). Mr. Rothschild'., dread appeared most alarming ; for in another Loyal Declaration, privately concocted among some merchants of Lou.. don, there was this paragraph---" We declare it to be our firm and unalterable purpose to maintain our Holy Religion in all its purity." To this Declaration among the uncircumcised, he (Lord Holland) again found Mr. Rothschild's name attached—(Loughter). —He begged not to be understood as lamenting that Jews mixed themselves up with Christians in asserting their opinions, fur he, on the contrary, rather wished the Jews had more rights than they had, than that any they reasonably wished should be withheld from them. He merely stated this fact to spew the incon siderate manner in which these Addresses were got up and signed; and it was this that induced him to think that. when the Jews and the Gentiles were all mixed up together, there was some little profit in the rear of all this expression of loyalty and Christian piety. The Jewish Gentlemen could not have read these Addresses when they signed them: that was his (Lord Holland's) opinion in charity, for he could not wantonly accuse any man of hypocrisy. In the language therefore to be found in that fine play of his late friend Mr. Sheridan, he would say with Moses, in the School for Scandal, 44 The pria:ipal is a Christian !"—(Laughter).—The Noble Lord then enforced, with great eloquence, the propriety of adopting the proposed Amendment, and speaking truth to the Throne, for the sake of the Throne itself. The Nob!e Lord concluded amid loud cheers, by en forcing the propriety of adopting the Amendment. Mr. W. E. TAUNTON (the Recorder of Oxford) spoke in favour Of the original Address. After some discussion as to the mode of putting the question, during which Lord HOLLAND entreated the persons at the Meeting, for their own honour's sake, not to hold up their hands unless they were free holders, the question on the original Address was put, and the slim of hands taken first on the Address, and then on the Amendment, when there appeared in this immense assemblage a majority, on the roost moderate computation, of twenty onclAr the /Intend. went !—lt may be proper here to runiark, that the greatest pains had been taken tont.° admit any bat freeholders. Thellion &TERM? pronounced that the majority was decidedly for the Amendment. The applause was immenc, when Lord HoLLAND addressed the Meeting, and implored them to enjoy their great triumph with the moderation of English men who loved candour and open dealing. He hoped, therefore, that they would juin with him in a Vote of Thanks to the Noblemen and Gentletnen who had called the Meeting in so manly a manner ; and also to the High Sheriff, for his excellent and impartial condi:ct in die Chair. Rah Motions were carried unanimously, and the Alreiing, the largest ever known at Oxford, was dim solved, after giving three cheers, at half-past five. 7, their veneration re State, and their • Mr. G. S 3s • Cavalry , rose ti .. the dish he will with constitutic We hope it is ; It was not Fr lie was surly t :(1 itself in all jrar to do so—(7/is, If they looked t to they would fine lab " We toill find tr 1792, Atheism • French school . this country—( nc ade use of tc „, The good sees rw against those p dsuspecting hi ieiuded, and t t , '. 0 0!") The e mac! Castkre ai rere even perst lures. He w 0,3 t were made is known tin , er t ' vdntage of by Name, name! 111 ' Mr. REID, th abandon that p ; I a s- Mr. SYR'S TT( itt A • not. cThis cot order,„ afforded s l . The loyalty o f a Coestittition, b ' ,l 4‘d Ind indi. 1V.11:4L INTELLIGENCE. FA I KM' Tat, JANUARY 20.—Wind S.S.W.—Atriyed the Wow ElizaLth, NETTER, from Memel for Oporto, leaky. Sailed the .• Jane, liaasry ; and Enterprise, }UMW, for London. Cowes, JANUARY 22.—Arrived the American ship Malabar, ORME, from Java, in 10.5 drys. The Farquharson and Marquis Camden Indianan are returned. • PORTS): #I'TH • RN 28.-L-Pagsed by, for London, the Pil chard, from Africa s and the Prince R ' Royal, ARYLOW front Ja maica—the latter with loss of sails and bulwarks. Sailed his Majesty's Wl') Foltz, on a cruize. Mot, Jasuoar N.W.—Came down from the River, the Duncan Forbes, Lovzs, for Marseilles. Arrived the Harrington, Hist°, • Oronoco, Custsrm ; and the Resolution, from Demerara. T he Oronoco experienced a dreadful gale tax the 6th, 7th, and Bth inst. which washed away her boats, btl warks, and one man overboard. Sailed, the Lady Lushirgti as, Scorr, for ;Madras; Mary, Batons, fot'Jamaica; Busiris, GAI. IF Nes, for Africa; Jupiter, Amear, for Buenos Ayres; John, Poretrwatt, for Jamaica ; Admi ral Berkeley, Guttsvan, for the South Seas; and some more, names unknown. Remain, the Atlas, General Kyd, and Lowther Castle, Indiamen ,• Patton, Lord Cranstoun, and Cyrus, for Jamaica ; Governor Hart o rt, for Demerara ;*Palemon, for St. Lucia; and several o.h s, names not known.- HAIIIVICH, Jiw. 22—The William and Charlotte, SWAIN, from Ipswich, was towed in here by a salvage smack, having been on shore upon the Stone Bench, where she knocked a hole is her bottom and filled with water. LivEtiroor., Jan. 21.—Arrived the Plantagenet, from St. John's, New Brunswick : she experienced a dreadful hurricane, and lost everything off *the deck. On the 14th inst. fell in with his Majesty's ships Dattaa, Caxad►xs, and a cutter, sent o•.:t with supplies by Government : they rendered the Plantagenet every assistance. DARTMOUTH, JAN 21.--Sailed the Mary transport, for ,lalta, with troops. Cosrosr-Horst, JAN. 22.--Ships Fvered Inwards: the Three Sisters, from Wells*; Denver, from St. John's; Constitution, from Virginia; Janv::s, from Waterford; Unity, from Guern sey; Spring, from Quebec; Little Arne, from Newfoundland; Highlander, from Nt:w Providence; Canada, from St. Joan's; Richard, from Stangate Creek; Ben Anne, from Rouen; Fame, from Waterford ; Oceanus, from St. Petersburgh ; George, from Russ; Thames, from New York; Seer fro, frcm Buenos Ayres; and Mohawk, from Virginia. Entered Outwards: John, for Jamaica; Paris, for Peterslrargh •' Victorin, fur Jamaica; Julie, for Calais ; Ruck, for Antigaa •' Duke of Marlborough, fo r th e Cape of Good I've. ClearedOatwards: Ocean, for Jamaica ; Posey Hall, for Darbadoes ; Prince of Waterloo, for Ostend; and Charlotte, for Lisbon. No. 46 ! (Class A.) was drawn this day a Prize or I.:21,000 Consols, and was, .as anticipated, sold by CARROLL, in Sixteen Sixteenths, at his favourite Offices, No. 19, Cornhill ; and 26, Oxford•street. Burr IN G AT TATTERSA LL'S YESTXRDAY. swam. 13 to 1 Apt Morel 13 to 1 art Jock . 20 to 1 agst Parasol •OA KS. 7i to I agst Reginald 13 to 1 agst GUStaNtlf I to 1 apt Charm 5 to 1 agst My Lady 9to I agst Emily • io to 1 agst Zeal 8 to I apt Sister to Steeltrap' 11 to 1 agst Air. Bouverie • 11DDLICSMOILTIL • Sto i agst 111ort•1 I4to 1 asst Mints • 7 to i agst Prude/me 1 0 to 1 apt Parasol 8 to 1 az, , st Mr. Bztson 10 to 1 agst puke et rte.