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-„ ._ . - IMPERI., L PARLIAMENT. HOUSE OF LORDS—Auausr 2. In consequence of the announcement in the London Ga .:elle of yesterday, that it was the intention of their Majesties to visit the House of Lords together this afternoon, in order that his Majesty caught give his Royal assent to the Queen's dower bill. and that her Mejesty might express her thanks to the two boosts of Parliament for the ample provision Aids they had made fee her maintenance in case of her witiowhoed, a great nun.ber of individuals, undeterred by the stormy appearance of the weather. were congregated in the streets through which tie Royal procession had to pass :ton Sr .lames's.i.siace to the House of Lords. Her Majesty !eft the Palace in state a short time before 3 Lecntlitanitil by the Duchess of Kent and the Prin. ICM Augusta, used escorted by a detachment of the Blues. ' he arrived at the House if Lueds at a quarter past 3 o'clock. arrival she AWLS received by the Lord Chancellor, the !:aSe.. of Norfolk, the Marquis of Lansdowne. Earl Grey, . nil Lard Durham, itEd was handed by her chamberlain, Carl He.we. through the painted ebamler into the robing. loon, t: hb.ht the lathes of her suite mini( diately followed het. Ir a quarter of nn hour aPerwards, his Majesty, who ale. c oi.e In state. readied the House of Lords, accompto I kit I.V great officers of his suite. On their way down 1 ,, t h e house, both their Majesties were received in the most eratinsiastte manner by the crowds assembled in the streets, and she numerous spectators in the windows of the houses wi telt they passed on their road. At 20 minutes past 3 o'clock, the Queen, attended by the I tibeeis Augusta. the Duchess of Kent, and the ladies of bet suite, entered the House of Lords, preceded by her Chamberlain. Earl Ilowe. Tne land Chaucellor, the Duke Norfolk, and Earl Grey. ushered Her Majesty to her • ::air of state, which was coveted with crimson velvet, and ;act d on the right of the throne and level with it. As soon as Her Majesty entered the house, all the Peers, and a number of Peeresses, who bad been previously admit. tad, rose up and made their obeisance. When they re. :Aimed their seats, it was observed that Iler Majesty's chair was surrounded by the ladies of her suite. The two young l'rinces of Cambridge and Cumberland stood on her left, and Earl Howe, her Chamberlain, on her right hand, At a quarter be fore four o'clock his Majesty entered the house, preceded by Earl Grey, who here the sword of state, ;:nd attended by the Lotd Chancellor, the Marquis of Lansdowne, the Marquis of ihnricarde, Lord Durham, and the great officers of his Majesty's Household His Majesty hating taken his seat upon the throne, Sir T. Tyrwhitt, the U,her of the Black Rod, was directed to summon the Com mons to attend at the bar of the house, to hear his Majesty's picasure. The SPEAIt Ed, followed by a numerous attendance of gen. t :nen of the house of Commons, shortly afterwards appeared :be bar, amid addressed his Majesty in these terms: " May it please your Majesty— " We your Majesty's most faithful Commons, appear be t re you with respect and attachment to your Majesty's }'oust, and beg most humbly to announce to your Majesty, t at in conformity to your Majesty's most gracious mow er =dation, we have passed a bill to make provision for her I; Ist gracious Majesty, in the event of your Majesty's de c-ase, sod with dutiful respect we now present such bill to Majesty for acceptance." '."be Queen's dowry bill was then read by the clerk. His I.i : t esty gare it the Royal assent with the usual formalities. Her Majtsty then rose and made an obeisance three times the two Houses of Parliament. Ten other private bills then received the Royal assent. Their Majesties than retired, accompanied, as before, by the r;e:trent officers el their suite. The house then adjourned d .2 ring pleasure. At rice n'clock'the Lord Chancellor again took his seat on I woolsack. IIE DUCHESb OF KENT AND r uiNcEss VICTORIA. L:arl GREY presented the following message from his 31.9jet , ty, which was read first by the Isord Chancellor, and afterwards b 3 the cLik at the table of the house : W illiam R. t• His Majesty, taking into consideration that since Par liament made provision for her Royal Highness the Duchess of Kent, and her Highness the Princess Alexandrine Vie. torts of Kent, circumstances have occurred which make it necessary that a more suitable int:vision should be made for her Royal Highness the Duchess of Kent, and for the suitable ed.iii.ttion and maintenance cf her Highness the Princess Aktandrina Victoria of Kent, relies on the affection and attazitment of the Commons to take the necessary measures for making such provision. " W. R." The message was ordered to be taken into consideration tnimorrow. The Earl of HA R F.WOOD presented a petition from a portal: in the Test Riding of Yorkshire, praying for an al. ti rat ion in the heir bill. Lunt WHARNCLIFFE, on the report being brought up nm toe money payment wages bill gave notice that he would move the third reading of it on Friday next. 'Tito Earl of ABERDEEN said, that as the noble earl onposite had refused to lay before the house any information relative to the invasion of Portugal, and to the occupation of the capital of our ancient ally by a French force, on the ground that the information would be injurious at present, it was not his intention to bring forward immediately the motion for its production of which he had given notice; but as there was another subject connected with Portugal, to which there was less objection, he meant the state of the Azores, and the recent transactions there, he would now give maim of I:is intention of calling the attention of their lordships to test subject. There were circumstances occur rtrg daily, which added tresh importance to that subject; mid he therefore gave notice that on Friday next he would submit a motion upon it to their lordships. Fart GREY asked the noble lord to explain the nature of le- proposed motion. Toe Earl of ABERDEEN, in reply, was understood to mate, that he would communicate the precise nature of it on at ...lily day previous to tie discussion. lie LORD CHANCELLOR hoped that the noble earl would I:wrote has motion to Monday next, ea al noble :oles had left town Mk? the Impression that ea business of importance would come on during the week. The Earl cf ABERDEEN was understood to postpone the discussion till Monday next. He was willing, as far as lie could, to consult the eenvevienco cf noble lours, at the S4llfl Mac be telt that this was a subject which would not untint of house then adjoured. HOUSE OF COMMONS. The SPEAKER took the chair at three o'clock. Sir W. GUISE presented the report of the Great Grimsby Election Con mittet which declared the election of Mr. limit. cud Mr. Shelley to Le void, on the ground of having Lea: guilty of treating. He then moved tor new writs.— Milt red. Mr. o.coN:cr.LL moved that the writs be postponed in consequence of the reform bill being before the house. laad A LTHORP said lie thought the ease not one for pestperement. as treating. not bribery, was ernv.d. Mr. R. 0( RDON eueported Mr. O'Connell's motion. Mr. GR ATTAN and Mr. CUL'ItTENAV thought there wits no greunti for thia). Amendment negatived eithout adivision—Motion agreed to for the welts. r. WILLIA MS presented a petition from Monmouth. shire, praying that the Home would proceed with greater rapidity with :he Reform Bill. 'lnc Marquis of CHANDOS gave notice, that he should mute the transfer of Evesham (rent schedule B, to A. Mr. WYSE presented a petition from Tipperary, against the grant to the Kildate.etreet Nicety. Mr. CILIMPTON brought is the Bill to amend this Laws relating to Jurors In Ireland. Read a first thee. and ordered to be read a second time on .Monday. lIIRMINUIIAM PETITION. Mr. O'CONNlCCiriscTtslll;iititiOn from the Coun. cil of the Political Union of Lainingham, complaining of the factious opposition, and the delay consequent thereupon, the minority of the reform bill. The House was then summoned to attend in the House of Peers, to hear the Royal assent given by his Majesty to sundry hills. The SPEAKER, on his return, having stated what bills 1.:-.(1 received the Royal assent, adverted to the petition 13414 t.y Mr. O'Connell. It had been mentioned to hint. He hild uo hesitation in saying, that as the petition referred to the Debates in that House, lie had no objection in saying, without any reference to the merits of the use, that it was disorderly, inasmuch as it adverted to whit were supposed to ilsee been the proceedings and debates of the House, ranch could not be known out of the House. He was obliged to the honourable and learned gentleman for having mentioned the case : it had relived him perhaps from some uiffieulty, bnuwing the contents of the petition, he had no hesitation in saying that it was contrary to the orders of the house, inasmuch as it referred to, and was formed on what were supposed to have been the proceedings in that House. Mr. O'CONNELL said, after what had been stated, be should decline presenting the - petition. Sir R. VYVYAN wished to make some remarks, as it would now go forth to the public. Mr. IXTTLETON called to order. The SPEAKER said there was no question before the Ilouse. Sir H. VYVYAN only desired to prevent it from being understood by the public that this petition --- The SPEAKER said, there was no petition before the house. _ Sir R. VYVYA N observed, that the public would un derstand - The SPEAKER remind 1 the lion. Baronet that what errr the public might know, the house knew nothing of the pe..tion. It was never presented. The rase had been very comiderately mentioned previously to offering it ; and as it had not ben presented, there was no question before the 110111... e. Mr. M. O'CONNELL presented several petitions against the Grant to the Kildare Street Society. Mr. BROW NLOW presented similar petitions from Mo: - .aglian and other places.—Ordered to be printed. Mr. Alderman VENABLES moved for returns respect ing the produce of the Malt Duty for the butt year and a half —0: Bert d. _ _ Mr. J. DU NCOMBE presented a petition from farmers of Hertford, against the use of molasses in distillerieN.— Iteterted to the Committee. WINE DUTIEg. 31r. A TTWOOD gave notice that, on Thursday, he should move far copies of all orders of the Tteasury under which duties on wine arc now levied. DUCtint OF KM. lind ALT tiORP presented a message from his Majesty clnimunic.ting that since the provisions made for the Du chess of Kent and the Princess Victoria, circumstances had occurred which rendered it de►irable that a more adequate provision should be made for her Royal Highness and for the education of the Princess Victoria.—Ordered .to be taken into con►idrration to-morrow. STEAM-BOATS. ;fir. Alderman WOOD obtained leave to bring in a Bill for the better regulation of the speed of steam.ressels.— (Hear, hear.) in consequence of the racing that now often took place the most calamitous mischiefs resulted, and it was essential that some remedy should be supplied.— (Hear.) He hoped the measure which he proposed to bring in would afford that protection fur the public which was so much desired. REFORM BILL. Lord ALTHORP moved that the House resolve into a Committee on the English Reform En Mr. C. PELHAM observed, that as the proceedings were PO sati.ractorily conducted oo Saturday, he should like to see the proposition revived that they might meet at two o'clock in the day, to discuss the Reform 13111.—(Hear, hear.) He thought it would be the means of getting rid of much irrolcvant matter and discussion.—(Hear.) No answcr. Mr. S. WORTLEY complained of the deficiency of several of the returns that had been made respecting the population, houses, assessed taxes, &c. of particular boroughs. The house then resolved itsclf into the Committee; Mr. BERNAL in the Chair. Lord ALTHORP said the first thing they had to do WAS to proceed with the cases reserved on Saturday, Sudbury and Totness. As to Sudbury, it had been contended that a neighbouring parish (Ballingtion) ought to be included in the population, on the ground of what had been done in the ease of Truro. As to Truro there had been an Act of Par. 'lament defining its limits ; the same had been the cue with Sudbury, which Act did not include Balliugdon as forming a part of Sudbury. He, therefore, considered that there was no ground for removing Sudbury from schedule B. It was then moved that Sudbury do stand part of sche dule B. Mr. AVRANGHAM admitted that there was very great difference between the towns of Truro and Sudbury, but that difference was in favour of Sudbury. The parochial lines were maintained, and they included the population of above 4000. The part was beyond the boundaries of the borough, but it formed an integral part of the town. The noble lord had suggested the adjournment of the cue on Sa turday, seeming to admit the justice of the case • he could not think what had happened to induce the noble lord's un accountable present resistance. Was it true that a majority of the house had intimated to the ministers that they would carry the bill— that they would resist the exemption of Sud bury—that they would exercise the law of the strongest ? If that were so, it was useless to resist ; the justice of a cue would go for nothing. Lord A LTHORP knew nothing of the intimation to which allusion had been made ; no such intimation had reached him. (Hear, hear.) The case on Saturday was stated securately, as far as it went—but all was not stated. The Act of Parliament fixed the limits of Sudbury u well as of Trum, and that had decided the decision of govern ment- (Hear.) Mr. FERGUSON was astonished at this resistance. There was not a borough in schedule B that, in having one member, would rot have infinitely beyond its proportion. Lanarkshire had 250,000 inhabitants, and yet it was to have one member only. Lord MII.TUN said Ballingdon did net form part of the pariah of All Saints, and therefore was not part of Sudbury. In opposing the proposition, the Government adhered to their line : but he should vote for Sudbury, on the ground of their being contiguity of population.— (Hear.) The Government, however, could not vote other wise than for the retention of Sudbury in schedule B, because it came strictly within their rule. (Hear, hear, and a Lush.) Mr. CHOKER maintailied that Sudbury ought nct to be retained in schedule B, if the justice of its case could have any weight. He considered that the ease was as strong as that of Truro, and that Swlhury wu as well entitled to have two members as was Truro. Sir J. WALSH spoke to the like effect, especially as the ministers had rLpeatedly departed from the rule regarding 2,000 and 4.01:0. That departure rendered it necessary to watch the conduct towards these boroughs. He and others were not actuated by factious motives; they only sought to see justice done by the application of principles which the Alinisters themsels.es had adopted in particular cases. There had only been a chapel, and that belonged to All Saints, which made liailingtion part of the parish. But an Act had been referred to. A more arbitrary measure, except the Reform Bill, otter had appeared; it arbitrarily pretended to fix toe limits of a parish. Mr. TYIiRELL was understood to say, under all the circumstances he should vote against Sudbury being re tained in se:tedule B. Mr. BA RING said. that if there were were one borough less entitled tl - an another to be in schedule 13, on the ground of it not being a nomination or rotten borough, it was Sud. bury. Corrupt it might be—perhaps it was—and so perhaps would continue ; but be expected it was quite as pure as would t'e any of the 101. boroughs. If it were sacrificed, it would be cn account of a quibble. (Hear, hear.) Was it because it was the Reform Bill that every species of in consistency and injustice shouk be countenanced by that Hot.se. Len! A LTHOEP said the parish cf Ballingdon did not belong to Sudbury ; that in their bill of 182.5. they did not pretend that it was withir. the limits of Sudbury. Sir It. PEEL said, he net never hrard of this act l:efore; but it consisted of I.2oclaures ; and provided, amongst other matters, that the new houses should be " perpendicular."— (A laugh.) It was not r.atr.ed in the act, because the hamlet was in gibe X, while the borough was in Stitfrilk ; but there was not a continuous population. To admit Sudbery would not affect other decisions. Lord J. RUSSELL said, that the act of 1825, which re. garded paving, lighting, Ere. of Sudbury, did net include the hamlet, not consincring that they bad any thing to do with It. (Htar, hoar.) ?.Ir. W RA NIG HA M replied, that if this case were retained In schedule B it would be an act of flagrant injustice. Mr. C. PELHAM thought a case was made out for ex empting Sudbury from schedule 13. The gallery was then cleared for a division. The numbers were— For the motion Against it .. ~ In .. 108 Majority against leaving it out of the bchedule 4; The motion was then put from the Chair, that the borough of Totness remain part of schedule B. Mr. BALDWIN moved as an amendment, that it be transferred to schedule C. Mr. COURTENAY supported the amendment on the ground that the borough was not a nomination borough, Doe one that had ever been implicated with bribery or corrup. tion. He said the proposed alteration in the law would be likely to intr duce bribery and corrupt practices, on account I - -z of its extending the franchise to the poorer ekes of eon. atituents. [During the time that the hon. member was speaking the risibility of the house was excited to a great degree, by a large comb dropping from the ventilator, and In its fall It Tang a peel on the chandelier, and alighted on the table. Some lady, who had obtained re:mission to be upon the roof, I had dropped it from her head. Lord .1. RUSSELL wont into a abort reply and enplane. tire, and said, that as the Committee had decided on the principle in the cue of Sudbury, and as he considered the two CMS similar, he could not consent to have Totnesa taken out of Schedule B. The original question was then pet from the Chair. and carried withou a division. The question was then put, that Schedule B stand part of the clause in the Bill. Mr. CROICER rose and made a few observations of dis sent, but said that he had no intention to eielate the coin promise that no unnecessary delay should be occasioned N the progress of the Bill through the House. . Sir E. Ii'RTHERELL followed, °tithe aide of the Op. position, and repeated his general objections to the measure. He said that every principle, as Ora laid down, had been violated. He said that candour on the one side, bad only been met by antagonist power on the other, by Jaeoblnically insulting public feeling. Col. WOOD would protest against the clause. He could not consent to have so many boroughs robbed of their repro. sentatives, for the purpose of giving a few additional mem- bers to Scotland and Ireland. He had an opportunity of knowing that the intelligent portion of the community, who, although they admitted that some reform was necessary, de nounced the bill as being too sweeping a measure. And he considered that the sweeping character of the bill was con fined to schedules A & B, and that clause which was to de pri►e the sons of freemen of their franchise, and on that ac. count would oppose the motion. He anticipated bad con. sequences from the bill, and his Majesty's Ministers would be solely responsible for all that might happen. Lord I LTON said a few words in explanation. Alderman ATKINS (re believe) also opposed the motion. Isle. KEITH DOUGLAS followed on the same side. Mr. S. AVORTLEY stated his objections to the hill ge nerally, and upbraided Ministers with making capricious distinctions and exemptions ; and called upon the noble lord (J. Russell) for an explanation in the cases of several boroughs which had been preserved, while others bad been lopped off. Lord J. RUSSELL recapitulated his former arguments, and defended the course that had been adopted by govern. ment. Sir EDWARD SUGDEN was not satisfied with the reasons assigned. He said, that neither population, nor boundaries, nor any defined line, had been observed. At the conclusion of his speech, he complained cf the at- I tempts made 'by the public press to deceive the people. He said, that on one occasion a speech of his had Leen reported with marks of clamour and bursts of laughter at the conclusion of every sentence. Now whoever wrote that report must have known that it was not true, for he (Sir E. Sudden) perfectly remembered that there was only one laugh occurred during all the time he spoke. • Lord A LTHORP defended the course pursued In the progreu of the bill. He alluded to the difficulty of coming to a positive line, but contended that in a general way population was the best criterion, that he had found on the gross average, that the greatest population were the most prosperous. He had from close examination found that the average rate of taxation paid by the boroughs in schedule A. did not exceed 2011. per annum ; those of schedule 13. 7031; and those of schedule. C. 1,2091; and he thought that that we- a sufficient answer to any objections that had been made in tl:e selection of the boroughs. COULBURN apprehended that the standard of die franchisement had been adopted by Ministers too hastily. The noble lord said the average of assessed taxation in the bo roughs of schedule A, was 2001 ; of schedule B, 7001; and of the thirty lowest undisfranchiscd boroughs, 1,2001. This average the noble lord would lay down as a proof of the pro. priety of the standard. But an average was not a fair test. (Hear.) He might include places of 10,000 inhabitants,and still have a similar average. It decided nothing as to par ticular cases. The disfranchisement, would excite discon tent. In Guildford he had himself been lately a witness of the existing dissatisfaction. Mr. S. 'WORTLEY considered the average of taxation an unfair test. Mr. A. BARING said the measure, as it at present , stood, gave the manufacturing counties a decided prepon derance. The agriculturists, inadkquately represented, would be deprived of the benefit of existing restrictions. Their activity, their clubs, the condemr.ation of their constituency, and all the other advantages of the town representatives, would make them far outmatch the country gentlemen re turned, even if in point of numbers they did not surpass them. He would propose that they did sway at present with the nomination boroughs (for the abolition of which the country was impatient) and allowed proper time and consi deration to the other great questions, the repartition of the representatives, the fixing of the constituency, the division of counties, &c. He would ask Government whether there would be any provision for securing scats to the ministers and officers of the crown ? In France the ministers of Fi nance and of the 3larine had lost their elections. Mr. Can ning gave up representing Liverpool, finding his obligations towards a large constituency incompatible with his official duties. Mr. STANLEY said, it was not the intention of Govern ment to introduce any such provision as the hon. member I had alluded to. But such a subject should have been mooted when they were extinguishing the rotten boroughs of sche dule A. He should not, therefore, enter on it. He denied that the country gentlemen were deficient in activity. By the bye, the hon. member had paid his favourites a bad com pliment. The increase of the county members, and the dis connecting of the great towns from their election, was in fa. your of the agriculturists. Dividing England into two por tions, us a right hon. baronet had adopted on a former night, he found, under the peewit system, there was 1 representative for every 35,000 inhabitants in the northern or manufactur ing districts, and one for every 15,000 in the southern or 1 agricultural districts. The members had been distributed at 1 a time when the great mass of population and wealth was to be found in the south. Now, there would be in the north one representative to every 25,000 inhabitants, and In the south, towards which ministers w:re accused of being so unjust, one to every 20,0410. (Hear.) 31r. BARING expiained. Mr. CROKER.—Th,, noble lord (Russell) had said, that the line of demarcation was satisfactory on the whole. (A laugh.) And to whom ? Not to them (the Opposition) ; nor even to the noble lord, for schedule B which now con. tained 40 names, instead of its original nun;ber, had su ff ered since its introduction no less than 20 altera tions. (Loud cries of Hear, limn the Opposition.) Another noble lord had attempted to prole its satisfactoriness by a financial ar gurneut ala e.r-ojitio. The average of assessed taxation in schedule A was, he said, 2001; in schedule B, 7001; in the thirty steeliest boroughs retaining their full represen. Cation, 1,2001. But the question was not one of averages, but of individual cases. (Hear.) Besides, in the favoured places, the painhes had been thrown into the boroughs, by which the population and taxation had been unduly swelled, and vice versa with respect to the un- ' favoured places. He (t r. Croker) would not take averages, but a few individual cases. The Borough of 3lorpeth, which retained its two Members, paid but 8281. in assessed' taxes; Northallerton but 9001. Caine but 6501. Maldon but 9501. Horsham but 7941. The name of Caine recalled to him a rather important circumstance. When he (Mr. Croker) called for a population return of the borough, he was told it could not be distinguished from that of the parish; jet the return made in March, by order of the' noble lord, stated the male population of the borough scpa rawly. To resume his argument, the five boroughs he had named retained their full representation. Now in Schedule B, Huntingdon only paid 1,7501. in assessed taxes--(hear); Dorchester, 2,lool.—(hear);—Guildford, I,9Bol.—(hear); Chippenhatn, 2,2301. (loud cries of Hear.) Sudbury, 1,1311. In the other instances, the adjoining parishes could be thrown in. Northallerton had a parish extending sixteen miles; and with that paribh, it paid 1,1271. in assessed taxes, or a few pounds less than what was paid by Sud. bury, within a square mile. (Hear.) He should not longer delay the committee, but could not forbear expressing what he felt on the inconsistencies in the treatment of different boroughs. (Hear, hear.) Lord ALTHORP said they bad taken population as the general rule, and they could not set on population in some cases, and on taxation in others. (Hear.) Mr. CROKER said he had never made any allusion to taxation till it had been urged as an argument by the noble lord. Mr. WYNN said, reform used to be called for because boroughs had gone to decay ; but the present plan was ap plied to disfranchise boroughs that increased in size ratr: Parishes, London if they had spread t h emse l ves into adjoining London proper was now less than it was a century ago; a - great peedso et the space that was then occupied by habits -1 dims his am occupied with counting.bouses. He thought It sultanot bill were to pass, the plan on which it was r Nal sot bast, but must go farther. (Hear, hear.) ada. that was venerable was destroyed, and the new le was art carried to its full extent. The day after should pus there would be no principle on which name of the boroughs retained could be defended, or the claim of Owes left widsout representatives resisted. (Hear.) The question was agreed to without a division. The CHAIRMAN read the next clause, that each of the places named in the first columns of schedule C. be boroughs, and that each of them return two members to Parliament. The general clause was agreed to, on the understanding l that each place should be the subject of discussion. The CHAIRMAN put the question on the first place named in the schedule, which was Manchester. Mr. S. WORTLEY said, he meant to propose an *Hern don, the reason of which he would state. The town of Manchester was divided into two parts by a river—on one' side stood what wax called Manchester, on the other Sal ford, which was originally a suburb of Manchester, he could not see on what ground they were separated in the bill. Manchester, by the population returns of 1821, had 129,035 inhabitants ; Salford 32,000, and the number of voters under the bill would be 13,800, which was a number, though large, that formed no objection to their being united. The Hon. Gentleman moved that the words be—Manchester and Salford. 31;:i1UNT said, Manchester and Salford were totally distinct, and bad separate jurisdictions. He hoped Ministers would not listen to the proposal for their union. He should snpport the enfranchising clauses of the bill, and be hoped they would not be opposed as the disfranchising clauses had been. Mr. HAYWARD was glad the great act of justice to Manchester, so long delayed, was at length about to be per. funned. Manchester now contained 200,000 inhabitants, distinguished for their industry, intelligence and attainments in science, and In opulence and importance was the second town in the British dominions. (Hear, hear.) Manchester I now contains more inhabitants than the whole county of Lancaster In the memory of persona now living. It would be unjust not to give Manchester representatives for itself, and Salford, which now contains 43,000 Inhabitants, was also entitled to be represented. He could not sufficiently de scribe the feeling that pervaded the whole county on the great measure of Reform. He was an obscure sndividusl, but little known to many of the electors of the county ; he was called on to become a candidate because he was known to be the friend of Reform. He commenced his canvass. and his whole progress was one of triumph. In every town the whole population came forth—not to meet the humble indi vidual before them—but the supporter of the great measure of Reform. (Hear, hear.) He hoped the house would think it right to give an adequate representation to the populous manufacturing towns in the county of Lancaster. (Hear.) Mr. FERGUSON said it would be a waste of words to argue against the amendment of the honourable gentle. man, which no one appeared disposed to support. Man. chester contained more inhabitants than all the boroughs in Schedule B, which the hon. gentleman who moved the amendment thought should have two Members each._ (Hear, hear.) Mr. S LANEY said, the manufacturing towns in the north had increased in population from 50 to 100 per cent. in the last twenty years, while the whole country had increased no more than 26 per cent. Mr. EWART thought Manchester was well entitled to two representatives from its great manufacturing im portance. Lord JOHN RUSSELL said, if Manchester and Salford ' , were united in their representation, it would be the cause of I jealousy, to prevent which it was thought better to give Sal- ford and adjoining places, whose population amounted to 60,000, one representative. Mr. C. PELHAM said the supporters of the bill argued as if manufactures were the only road to wealth, and that agriculture was the road to ruin. (A laugh.) He would have them look to Sussex, which, though an agricultural county, had increased in population as much as any in the kingdom. Sir R. PEEL said his hon. friend was fully warranted in making the proposal he had done, as Manchester and Salford were united in the bill of last year. He was afraid by giving Salford but one member, they were taking an impro per course. The amendment was withdrawn on the question being put that Manchester stand part of the clause. Sir R. PEEL said he was placed in great difficulty. He objected to the enfranchising clauses of the bill, as giving the spoils of places they had deprived of their just rights. Looking, however, at the extreme difficulty of the case, and the impossibility of forming a government that could not yield some reform, though he was, when a member of the Government, afraid of letting loose the great measure of reform, he should now forget the past, both as regarded schedule A and schedule B ; but he would not consent to any enfranchisement that could make disfranchisement ne cessary—that would make the numbers of the House so in. conveniently large as to make it necessary to disfranchise. He thought it impossible to deny that from the prevailing feeling some enfranchisement was now necessary. (Hear.) And as be was prepared to concede some enfranchisement, be should not make an ungracious opposition ; but in every case he would vote for giving two members rather than one. Manchester, Birmingham, and Leeds, the three first in ache. dole C, he should make no objection to give members to. The next, he thought, was open to objection. He could not have supposed that it would be proposed to give members to Greenwich and Deptford, which he conceived must be one large government borough. (Hear, hear.) He should also object to give members to the metropolitan districts. If it was necessary to increase the influence of the metropolitan county, two additional members might be given to Middlesex. He did not think representation necessary to the prosperity of a town. Manchester was a proof that it was not—it had grown to its present greatness without representation. It was the practice to enfranchise large towns before the Revolution, and he should not object to its revival in the case of Manchester, Birmingham, and Leeds, but would state his opinions on the other towns when they came under discussion, and should certainly oppose the enfranchisement of Greenwich and the metropolitan districts, which would give them undue weight ; to opposition to which he should take the sense of the house. (Hear, hear.) Lord JOHN RUSSELL said, it was his decided opinion that it would be as utterly impossible to carry on the govern ment of the country without disfranchising the boroughs in schedule A, as to refuse members to the large towns ; the ' public opinion was equally declared on both branches of re. form. He thought Greenwich, and the metropolitan dis. tricts, were well entitled to send representatives to that house. (Hear, hear.) Sir R. PEEL said, the altered circumstances and feelings of the country made some reform necessary, and this he was confident must be the cause that his noble friend (Lord Pal. merston), and his Right Hon. friend (Mr. C. Grant), who had for fifteen years opposed reform, now supported it. For himself he could desire no advantage from any change that had taken place in his opinions, and had determined to sup. port a moderate reform, but not injustice. (Hear.) He would have no share in the perils of the bill. If the con sequence were loss of of fi ce for ever, he would infinitely pre fer that result to any participation in the bill. Mr. HUNT observed, that more than ten years ago the people of Manchester were cut down and murdered by the armed yeomanry, for assembling to petition foe reform. That period ought to be constantly ref erred to. (Oh, Oh !) Those who cried " Oh" now, would have cried " OW' rather more sincerely, bad they been at the Manchester massacre, when 10 were killed, and 618 wounded. For 13 years Man chester bad called for representation ; but if the right bon. bart.'s (Peel's) principles were acted upon, they would have to put to death the people of blanchtster again. ((A voice in the side gallery occasioned immense laughter by exclaiming " again !") He rejoiced that the demands for Reform bad been what they were ; they were now irreristible. Sir. CONOLLY made some observations about the yeomanry, and was understood to remind 11r. Hunt that he once had belonged to a yeomanry corps. Sir. HUNT was glad that the hon. member's memory was a little better than it was • few evenings ago. It was true that 30 years ago he belonged to a yeomanry corps ; and it was also true that the corps to which he belonged did run sway. (Loud laughter.) Sir C. WETHERELL he had no objection to give Members to Manchester—but that must not be at the ex pense, the spoliation, and the unconstitutional robbery of some other place. The propriety of giving Members to Manchester he was ready to argue. Wben it was proposed, however, the nature of the constituency :must be settled. Was the LOL qualification to be continued ? If it were, that proceeded on the principle of universal suffrage; and he should say was objectionable. Lord ALTHORP replied, that when the proper time arrived he should be prepared to argue the question ciquall- Baltic°. As to the principle of these enfranchisement', he could not expect the honourable and learned deman to look at them as they did who had peoposed them.— They had thought that the state of the country required many enfranchisement.; but that making room for them -~_ by diafranehisaments—had they proceeded —would not have accomplished all Nomination boroughs were sought to I in themselves. As, however, there very positive denial that Manchester, Leeds ought to have Members, he would should go thus far with the Schedule to agreed to them, leave the consideration districts till to-morrow (this day.)—lic Sir R. PEEL said, he had an objection =trat with the noble lord. (Loud on.) He, however, bad no objection three places just named to pass now; and he was the impression of those around him—and don of the metropolitan districts till to-morrow, Sir R. INGLIS objected to the clause fore be could not agree to any compromise. ie a vast deal of democratic influence, a great evil. He apprehended it to be It was then agreed that Manchester schedule C ; also Birmingham and Leeds. Lord J. RUSSELL then moved that ti) progress, and ask leave to sit again.—/ Committee ordered to sit again to.day. Mr. RICE brought in the hackney, bill.—Read a first time, and ordered time this day. The remaining orders of the day having the house adjourned at a quarter to one o'cl emommetonemmummume Our private letters from Paris the public journals, are very unity proceedings in the House of Reform Bill appeared to be watched with as much eagerness as if it would rial influence over our foreign French Ministers were sanguine t would pass into a law, for if the were again to return to office, the good feeling now existing between and Franco might be materially endangered, cial accounts had been received Don Miguel was willing to agree offered by the French Governmer in circulation at Paris on Sunda; arrival of the treaty to this effect, premature. Letters from Memel of the 19th news of importance. The cholera Memel nor Konigsberg on the 22d. there had been about 750 cases which 560 had died, and the disease through the neighbouring villages, government, it appears, does not destined for the Polish army. From letters received yesterday with accounts from Petersburgh the progress which the cholera is terrific. These letters state that been fifteen thousand, and that t' great numbers were flying from Our readers will recollect, that sorted in the Petersburgh Gareth been, on the 28th of June, but four deaths, we stated that we had reason the report was not correct, and bad been upwards of 30 deaths. rivals proved that we were correct. of opinion that it rages to an extent what is officially known or reported, At a numerous meeting of mead ment, held yesterday afternoon . Office, Lord Althorp Is reported these remarkable expressions with degree of success which is likely Tory policy :—" He begged it - that the enemies of reform were mistaken, if they hoped to defeat They might originate discussions 1 and throw obstacles in the way of this they might all rest assured— abandon the bill, Parliament sitting until next December, or twelvemonth, if necessary." " That'' Sir Francis Burdett concurred in giving up individual views of amendment of not impeding the general progress but Lord Milton stated as an " the bill ought to be made as sible for the sake of rendering the general sense of the meeting expressed in favour of Lord Althorp' we hope and trust will be perseveringly realized If something of the kind be not done, the mea sure may not reach the House of Lords before Christmas. There were 350 members prescra at the meeting. A report was yesterday current in the City, that the Emperor of Russia had fallen a victim to tbs Cholera. The report is alluded to in the commu nication of our City Correspondent, who states that on enquiry it proved to be destitute of foun- dation, it appearing that no late; informano: bad been received from the Russian capital than that of Monday, either by express or otherwise We suspect that later information than that 01 Monday has been received. The report was trace,; to a quarter possessed of the best information ei, matters connected with theßaltic,and we have reason to know that importance was attached to it by severa, influential men in the city. It would be absurd in us to aiiirm a matter of this kind on less than direct evidence which we certainly have not ; but, from a variety of circumstances derived from our own privati sources of information, we should pause before ve set down the report as utterly destitute of founds tion. The state of suspense cannot, however, to of long duration, for the truth must soon be kncwn• It will be borne in mind, that the report of Con stantine's death preceded some days the authentu information. A message from His Majesty was last higl - .1 brought down to Parliament, recommending an increased provision for the Duchess of Ken: and her daughter; who had hitherto, it is under stood, been indebted for a part of the com forts required by their station to Prince Leopolti The Prince having no longer any command c' English money, this message will doubtless I regarded as a thing of course, and mo especially when it is recollected that an in• come of 6,0001. per annum was many years ago granted to the Duke of Cumberland, expressly tip the education of his son, a Prince two steps foram from the throne than is the Princess Victoria ; an not of a branch of the Royal Family, as we hat. heard, distinguished by any superior claims to pub lic esteem or consideration.— Times. The Livery of London, which had been intended for the purpose of stigmatizing the factious opposi tion to the bill, has been postponed, principally be cause of the progress which has been made with the measure since the first suggestion of the expediem! of such meetings. A resolution, however, ha: been passed, which is to stand over in terrorem, should the boroughmongers be caught at their manoeuvres again. Measures like the above are strictly but defensive, against that audacious system of mock representation which it is the aim of the Tories to perpetuate against the people of England. l ed be ed th d a ci r tro w s as u y dl prineed, n aP t li. - • reting, ared to e inningha m , b 101 could propose t h at t b k .. e to - day, and funk, a of' the nietrop d li• fear.) :don to enter into ar.; ad cheering from objection to allow and he believed t h:. n—and le ave t h e pre. .. a-morrow. ause altogether, ac t ,. wise. It was kt:ir , and that h e felt t,,,! t full of evil. X should stand r t , t reds. it the Chairman rep, —Agreed to, :ad e r • neytcoach regulataiL• d to be read a sewn wing been dispot,d to o'clock. 1 V is of Sunday, i l k, ninteresting. The a Commons on ti watched in Franc s Tr would have a mat, A n relations. Ti to that the measto, the anti-reformers rr the tranquillity and even Great endangered. 0.1. from Lisboa ilia. 1)1 ;Tee to any term, eat, but the report lay, of the actin! t, we believe to b bt 9th ult. contain nt Ira had not reache, 22d. At Date .!;•. aces of cholera, of J 1 tease was spreadltic et ;es. The Prussian ti not stop provision.. al Ly from Hamburil, to the 16th July. is making is truly 'hat the cases hat, fa the population 1 , , St. Petersbur-b it when it was ai• lie that there had cl Four cases and two el , aeon to believe tbzt stated that there th Subsequent at. ect. We are now extent far beyond Li A members of Parha- m at the Foreign rted to have use,: with regard to tilt we kely to attend tl.t. to be understoe w, re moat miserably it the bill by delay. bt s from day to da y . f the bill ; but o: al —that rather that to would. ' be kept tit r next December wl Itat's wormwood 1 the necessity of adment for the satc ogress of the bill, CS in objection, that is perfect as pos- ch ig it final." flu peting was warmly 6 1 horp's wish, whirl: everingly realized bi of done, the Inca• u of Lords before iembers prestat at