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The Medical School opened on MONDAY, the 3d inst. Council Room, THOMAS .COATES. 4th Oct. 1831. PAPER HANGINGS ON SALE ATI REDUCED PRICES. _ _ CHATER respectfully laterals the Public, JLE. that he has an excellent assortment of PAPER HANGINGS of superior quality, &A. on Sale at the fol lowiog low prim :—Bed-roent P ap ers, from Sid. per yard g Parlour, ditto, 4id ; Passage and Stair-ease, ditto. Sid; Marble, &to, 6d. and 6d; Satin, Flock, and other Papers in privatise, 04 No. 100, Fleet-atreet. N.B. Men sent out to week, Re. 111 1' F I R IAL PAULI:I.SII4:AT. HOUSR F I'r" . ISIIDS, OCT. 3. The house met at four o'clock, for the purpose of receiv ing petitioas on the subject of the Reform Bill. The Slarquis of CLEVELAND presented petitions from the county of Durham, and from Wallington, in Shropshire, in favour of reform ; and the following petition from the parish of Saint Mary-le-Strand. " To the Right Hon. the Lords Spiritual and Temporal in Parliament assembled. " The bumble petition of the inhabitant hooselioldent of the parish of St. Blary-le-Strand, in the county of slid. dlcsex and libirty of Westminster, in public meeting duly convened by their churchwardens, this 30th day of Sep. tember, 1831, Sheweth,—That your petitioners have long been as. tisfied that a Reform in the representation of the people in patliament was necessary to their happiness and ptosperity. " That being householders engaged in various Mode of btoiness, and mixing much with the middle class of society, and from their employing numbers of wueking people, they tree necessarily had many opportunities of °Nerving, and hate observed, the growing desire of the classes of persons for such a reform in Parliament as would enable the people to return as representatives, men who should appear to them to be the best qualified to carry on the business of the uatior. " That your petitioners could not but entertain the fear that this, so desirable, and now inchspenuLle, measure would be delayed until the time had gone by when it could have been advantageously adopted. " Your petitioners were, therefore, highly giatilled whit the declaration of the present Ministers, that they, wilt the sanction of his Majesty, would propose a Reform which would be acceptable to the people; and they, in public meeting ass. whirs!, *apnoea their gratitude to their good and gracious King for his care of his faitlifal subjects. " Your petitioners are fully convinced that the Bill for amending the representation of the people in Parliament i. a wise measure, and will, if it become law, be the means or promoting every desirable purpose. `. Your petitioners are also fully persuaded. that if the bill be rejected, the most direful consequences will ensue—con sequences more terrible than any ever before witnessed in this country. Your petitioners have property of various kinds, which they would not willingly place in jeopardy, and lives which they would not willingly risk ; but they cannot conceal from themselvee, and will not disguise from your Inrdships, their deliberately formed opinions that the matter has proceeded too fat to be relinquished; and that should the bill be rejected by your honourable house, every man's property and life sill be endangered, and, above all, the property and lives o: th' higher ranks of. society. " Your petitioners have been alarmed with reports of fears, very generally entertained, that your lordships will reject the bill; they ere, however, well satisfied . that your lordships will not reject the bill, if your lerclabips shall be convinced that a majority of the per none deemed eligible by the bill to exercise the elective tranchise, are desitous that it should be the law of the land. Your petitioners do, therefore, most wilentely assure your' Lordship. that they have no doubt that it is very earnestly desired by a majority, oot . only of the persons alluded to, but by an immense majority of the whole male population; that this is not the impulse of the moment, neither is it vain desire /or something new, nor a restless des re for change ; but that it is the result of deliberate consideration, and a tho rough conviction that nothing but the passing of the Bill can save the country from a violent commotion, in which our admirably.constructed Government would probably be tle , :royed. _ . •• Your petitioners deprecate all violent change., conechr. ff s thaf, if the bill become law, it will tend to pits rtre the Government is its remit form, preserve the preroga. tir,s of the crown, and rite privileges of the peers, whilst it rc , tur,s, and will maintain, the liberties of the people ; they more ntost humbly pray, •• That your Lordships will be pleated to rasa the bill as little delay as may be consistent wi.:h the forms of our honourable house. Signed on behalf or Inhabitant linutisholdere. Lord LON DON!)ILit RV, in reference to the petition ..n4 Durham, *Aid that though there were many persons in that county in favaut of remit, yet fie wao sAtielleci that ttere were many who *err strongly opposed to so llooellioji DNOR peeneoted petitions from Renfrewshlre, •igr,d by upwasds of DIAN persons, sod Nunn v.triaos other xes, all in favour of the reform bilL Lord POLTI MORE pteeerited petitions to the same. .beet front a number of 40110$ in Devoushire. Lord t:LIFFORD peeseated a similar petition (torn the county of Devon, agreed to ate county Guerin/. Lid ROLLR sddree►ed the house et erne length.-- lie contended that front the thin attendance at the meeting alLithu to. and considering tie state of the cuddle mind upon question a short time ago, tnore bad been re-action in cdonty. The Duke of MON D asked the noble lewd, as he staieltlicre.hati bees a meeden, whethet be had gos a .peti tion agAitr.t she bill 1417- ‘ 1 octal* act --(leiod cries of hear, • ar)—.but. he knew a roes pose of the vinniry was op t Ned to the bill, and by eiteeld do M deity leadenly, without any regard so the intimidation thee had bceo .cld 041 . 'I he Duke of bIORYOLK presooteda pithiest fedmllhef & IJ . rgned by 19,136 peewee in bettor of the WU, and oh- TUESDAY EVENING, OCTOBER 4, 1831. served that be would entreat their lordships to the bill for tbe sake of the character of the house, which war a sub ject of gust importance. Lord ABERCROMBIE, in presenting several petitions In favour of reform, said the people had discovered that there was in the bill now before the hoarse that constitutional re form which they so much desired. (Hear.) They ware now at the commencement of one of the most important discus sions that ever had come before the haus, and be entreated noble lords to pause end deeply to consider the subject before they voted against it. The Marquis of HASTINGS promoted several petitions in favour of reform. The Duke of SUSSEX promoted a petition from the merchants, bankers, and other inhabitants of the city of Bristol and its vicinity, to the number of 1111.743 psroous, I in favour of the Reform 818. His Royal H man stated that the whole ethos signatures were so the peti deo baba than spas et lbw ran ears had alined it, sot bad -say mama boo isiorted twits wee. Tb. Marquis of LONDONDERRY said he hadvoesived • loser, stating Manses:al of the *matures to the above petition were iletirious. The Duke of SUSSEX mid he had received the petition from two lidemben of Paribmont, and be believed it to be 11111014 impoluldo. It was dried by 25,743 indlridn•M Tin ilinswitwo Doke also repented petitions from Denbigh, the Ward .1 Chimp, in die City of Lendoo, the Ward of 1 1 Fallopian Mids, Hammersmith, Ludlow. Permanee.l and various oilier limes. His Royal Highness observed that all the midair were to the same purpose. They earnestly prayed their lordships to peas the Bill before the House. The Eatl of ELDON said, he had-respect for the peti. dons of the people, but he thought the house should do its duty without regarding these petitions. The noble earl pre. seated petitions from Bridgewater, and the city of Norwich, against thereforni bill. The city of Norwich petition bad been represented to him as being signed by 3,800. The Earl of A LBR3IARLE thought there must be some mistake in the numbers of the petition just presented by the noble and learned lord, as he bad a petition to present from the inhabitants of Norwich, in favour of reform, signed by 11,800. The LORD CHANCELLOR appeared with a mass of petitions. The first was from Halifsx, signed by 12,600 of industrious and reppeemble persona. They prayed their lordships to pass the reform bill without delay. The noble and learned lord then prevented eighty petitions, all to the same effect. Earl OREY presented the petition of the Merchants, Bankers, and traders of the City of London, signed by 14,700 persons, at a most respectable meeting, convened at: the Egyptian Hall. In the petition could be found some of the most respectable names in the City of London.— They all expressed a sincere desire to have the bill on their Lordships' table pees into s law. The Noble Earl bad a large mass of petitions to present, and like his Noble and Learned Friend was under the necessity of stating the cha racter of each, without going into a more ample description. They were so numerous—the spontaneous Anshan of the country—that be could not bet consider those -petitions a strong indication of the prevalence of public feeling in favour of the bill • fur reform in Parliament. A Noble Karl who bad presented two petitions had said, petitions should not, deter the Noble Lord, from doing their duty. GOD forbid they should ; but at the same time he could not admit that the petition. of the peo ple were not to have thole due weight. (Hear.) The Noble Earl concluded by reading ibe masses otitis petition's, which owe kid on the table. The hour of six having arrived, a lead ay wombed for the *Wet of the day. The Marquis of LANSDOWNE ramie make* prelhni - tasty reaterk. He thought that House should not run the risk of a division upon the Reform question before all the petitions of the people bad been received. • The Duke of BUCKINONAM proposed that the house meet to-morrow at ten in the morning to receive petitions. • The LORD CH ANCRIA4OII thought that anangement would interfere with appeals. Lord KENYON proposed that she Moue meet at three o'clock, and proceed whit reddens andl all were presented. . Earl (JURY suggested fear o'clock, as the time most convenient for all their Leedebips, and tbat tour was gxed by apeman for the time of meeting to.mmeow. also be fully in their re:teethes/ace tlst there was a ge. neral desire for Parliamenteey reform. The question, which had long slept, but which had been agi'ated more or less for the last eight years. became more than ever the subject of conversation ; so general, indeed, was the opinion en's:lighted upon this subject, that, upon his sr. si rival in town st that period, be found many persona we .1 previously particularly zealous or active in the cause of re. ' form, convinced tkat the question was one which must be looked at with a view to Its serious consideration. That he had not now taken up this question for the first time would be easily proved, if their lordships did him the honour to recollect what he stated oe the Ant day of the session with reference to the state of the country at that time, ,is. that re form was absolutely essential to the well.belog of die country, as without that there was no hope of ribig the people to the Government. The dismay. that waif* when the -De bits deka appeal's-Ahem at the bead of the adisehiletestien-. his bmilbrow , eB :doge by tbetiskradoo coultheetee pessalteMplellw. nos ohm's beams. it Ills missitbn is Oat was webs the of the nubile tithe's pronauseet, end dl the confusion thee has seemed. The meserser which be (Lord Grey) peeps's& when he had net the meet die ant Ws of being plead in the situation whkh he 'hod now the beeser to hU, was that which he. felt to he essential to the LINPty of the country; and when his Majesty honoured v i rVh his commands to hem no administration, he found hs could form it on no other mime' principle than that of Reform- Had it not been so there was no reason whatever why the Noble Duke and his colleagues should have gone set of office. lie was, therefore, compelled to' form an Administration on principles congenial to the genera; wish, and Reform being the basis of it, no time was lost in preparing the measure the result f which stood fee this night's deliberatio n. He was not charge ? 'dig; emeskre, with rashness or any desire of Moon dem He had every reason for believing that the -mew. sum could no longer be delayed with safety; and U' it re wired the sanction of that Howe, be was satiafied that it would produce peace and reconciliation. He believed, that before the late Ministers quitted office the colleagues of the Noble Duke were satisfied that the Measured Reform must be looked at with a view to the settlement of the question. He hoped he should be able to prove that there wee nothing iha the measure which was not perfectly consistent with the 'mien' practices of the Constitution, the general security, and even with the support and security of that order to which their Lordships belonged.—(Hear.) The question dm was, what should be done, as it was universally admit ted tlsit some measure was necessary, whether they should bring in something under the name of Reform, which was merely a nominal Reform, or whether it should be an effec tl/e measure, end such as should give contentment to the people. -( Hear.) Some persons seemed to be of opinion that a measure *tumid be brought in which should hold out the word of promise to the ear, but break it to the hope. Any such measure, however, in his (the Noble Rut's) opinion, would have had • most dangerous effect. He thought that the only proper course was to adopt a measure like the pre sent ; and, idler due musideration, he and his colleagues had thought proper to adopt the present plan. He was at first. satisfied that it would be useless to beteg in any measure of 'dorm which should leave mooched the great grievance of rotten boroughs. (Hear.) It had long been matter of complaint among.te people of Ragland that seats should be dhipoied of by antin Individuals for their own exclu., site benefit, and that they Amid have the power of openly selling seats. ( Hear.) Bests had been made of seats 'in the epee day—ewer, biota...end when the people looked upon them things, they felt so stesogly the necessity of reform, that the 'knees bringing forward some ouch impositions could no longer be The question then arose what borough ought to be disfranchised t and another task was to see if they could confer the right of representation to other boroughs. There was, he thought, en inconsistency in allowing places, the remains of ancient boroughs without consetuenclee to he represented. They concluded that the right of sending members to vermin such places ought to is tikes away; therefore they were to be disfranchised, and put in schedule A. They came to a detteminetion to sheikh the whole of than bsroughu. The Noble Lad wet on to particelorke sem of the thieves mode in the remoseutation of the difereat boroughs as con. wised in the Reform bill, wad rehreod to these which were wholly or parthdly disfranchised b et; the intestion of the bill being. es he said, , to hp the useless breaches of the system. and restore health sod viper to the week. He would endeavour to prove to the House that the Ana. sore le reposed did not hovel* the least danger to the established inetkotioes of the onesury, and that it did net em whey interfere with the sight of voting. The Noble Red 411ou refereed to the fact *stow far se he was mote, not a singe pedden of all them whisk had been pre. prayed for the edge's of me by bullet, to , perhaps, plausible ob*thoes weight he made, and the meager. woo diees the mire billy se be palatable so theme who had essennsmly opposed that 'ityssen of voting. The noble earl peewees& to stale, that si the details of fist part of the Bill erlikk mimed to die NL householders were already before the_ pine, it *odd be unnecessary to go into then. The DUI providod that us person who had a vote in the ass, sad = is i tem could vote twice for the mane; sue poems rote, In towns would rentals tossisit inept viluilloy lived at a themes mending SHOO saw groin der tbek election, by which great inoosnonlotro end exposit be avoided, It was she podded that In order bo pleb vent any fictitious veto, tito poor rates and eat sms‘ both be paid up, and the tenant must have had yousdia for twelve months previously. The Noble Yen given • /general outline tf a shi nh in of Rohm by the Bill. preyed their anieutty 3 110 whether limes liable to any if Aijoeiluisl4ll6 :hid been made to it. The present sock of reprotesisties %se, totally inconsistent with the patron for which it wee. first framed. It was contended that the theory and print'. pies laid down was one thing and that the ptactice was atom titer ; and that in the them it should be seesidered se • full, a fete. and a free representation of the rep oI but es the practice now was, it was totally the retiree. Be It was 'either full, free, • nor fair.—Woofid any eche* contend, that while this gangrene was sating Ma t :he= of the Constitution, when such min at Pitt, and Per, and ammo, had modeavouved to being about a similar measure, that they ever deism foe oar moment that their exertions were tending to the e'er/throw of all the existing Mei. tutions of the country.—(Cheer.) Did their Lordships not recollect that it was a standing order of the brow that it was illegal foe any Peer to meddle with or toilsome elec tions ? With such an older as that staring them in the face, could any of them be found sufficiently hardy to de. Clare that he had a right to sell wets- It was said by some that this measure was spoliation and robbery. (Hear, hear , from tire opposite benches) He thought, h e und erstood from that cheer that there was a Noble Lord who thought he had that right ; he thought, however, that tie could co:trims that Noble Lord that a seat w.• • mot, anti not a property, and where a trust was &burn e d the i n di.. 'ideate who reposed the trust had • right to feral eiti.t trust, and place it in fitter hands. No length ett thro—no prescription whatever-.no countenance Whatever of abuse, of ever so long continuance, could, by any convert what was otiginely a trust into a thing of Ironer'''. He had stated dow in former times writs or returning members bad been dbcontinued when boroughs fell into decay ; no less than Testy-four boroughs end one musty which helm:fly sent members to Parliament were now deprived of that privilege by the ordinary practice uf the Constitution. Rut ON thwoninhing, be would mk, in the' recent times, pursuing the some line of 'Ammer*, to whew that spulietiou and robbery had not been practised by the prevent legisimure ? Look to the union with Soothed, yeah Wessell* about a disfranchiermese of nineteen be. .roughs. Look also to the. union with lowland ; not Feast Wm IQO Wiesuglts, returning bee citenthem to pitilatient. was 'erred in • irke mealier. Bet then, in awe,/ to that. ;we tumor WA, three wit is the roe of behest . compensation allowed ; compensation implitd indemnity. H. RZTOI3II BILL. Earl GREY then rose upon the order of the day foe the second reading of the Reform Bill. The Noble Rai was apparanly overcome by his feelings and unable to proceed. Tears cane to his relief, acd having recovered his strength, by taking bis seat fora few whim% the Well. Bari main stood at the table.—lie easiessaced by obsoning, that du4. fag his political life of nearly half a century, he had pro pounded to that and the other Roues of Parliament many questions of the the smotest importince to the political bitte rests of his country. Under those tircUMWSPCSII he had &It trepidation and great conscientiousness of his inferimity In the presets of some of the greatest men this country had Produced. If such a mention had been felt on former oeca, clone, it was as nothing compared with lama be that test. It had been said that himself & cclleagues had brought forward a measure which must plunge the country in ruin, and de stroy its best institutions. He felt the weight of the charges, which It was necasary be ohmic' =Fel . . This question had been tepees aced as destructive of the institudons of the country ; he, however, on the contrary, balleved it to be a measure of p -ace ayes toulliatioc—(eheers)—it was a mee• cure which wou:d give to this eoustry general concord—to the constitution stability, and general prosperity to the em pire. (Great cheering.) Ilk opinion ►ad long been well 'Warm Li la favourable to Parliamentary Reform. bo long aso as the year MN, he voted with Mr. Pitt, for the propast , oit brought forward by that tied ho nourable gentleman, foe effecting a e a reem i n the Von.ntons' tit ea of Parliament. and subsequently with Mr. Flood. (deer.) It was well hooves he bad himself brought forward proposhioos with ■ ykreto a full, fair; and free representation of the people in Parliament. It was, therefore, with hips s not novel or hostile night up but one upon which he had unifoimly acted during the vi hole course of his previous political lift. He was fully aware at the tfrna that it was not enough fur ti 31inater to show his consistency, Out that it was also necessary to prove that the measure, whatever it was which h: proposal, was not forced upon the !subtle improperly, unadvisedly, or taahly,—that it was not a dangerous measure, or one likely so have es iMst. Mums tandeocyi but that it was 'really eseential to the well. being and prosperity of tbe country, or that it was impel*. tirely called for by He circumstances. Their lostiships would recolicc,... they could nut have forgotten—the state of the country as the eommeammeot of this last Session , r e p ar li a m e n t ; onrshs in the manufacturing dkirlae, the most alarming di:women% in the agricultural dishier., inaortections in the northern eoonties, and g e n era l i n , e . gorily throughout the country. Such, b4ord, was the *taw of the public mind, that his Ma)esty's Winkler. thought it right to advise but ikjesty not to pay that flail hi the eft, which had horn always customary at the iluarolowiness if a new align, and was asasideted s lows. • mutat .61 cJarve at each a period—a compliment s::paid to the opulence and high ehaeactee d„ ....onJon. These things mac Fe ttests the ra n of Melt lordships, anJ at the same time it taus N°. 13,904. PRlez SEVENPENi7F. most distinctly and decidedly deni.d that compensation WAS given on that ground. (ISeer.) It was a tioroyjout fact that compensation. as it was ci led , was given as a bribe t %secure the passing of he Union of Ireland in tit • Irish House o' Commons (Cheers) But he was reminded by his rvible and learned friend near him (Lord Plunkett) that twenty. eight Irish boroughs had been 'struck off, and no e,m,p en , a . lion wha•ever was allowed. (Hear.) lie recollected well. when in his place in the /louse of Commons, hearing sir. Foster declare, in die face of the house. that to effect the measure of the Union of Ireland, money had been paid a. bribes, and peerages bartered for votes. (Dear, hear.) It was usual at &coronation to raise certain parties to the peer. ap of the country, and he must say, that he did think it would have been consistent with his duty, as a Minister of the Crown to advise a creation of peers likely to be &decree to the present measure of reform • but he declared never were a set of men more independent in principle elected to the legeaffieribeseihetiodnoNgsd totiivitist - als who be d i aeaa 1 ;* diiiitlit Ow *cla dis ps iii Which alUilliwbalftto mai:" int It, wialdi sera to the elwermeisos et Mr. Foreleg the ' late Lewd Loodoodary tired it hint and demanded that he should make no Insfnuatidas in that House t to which Mr. Foster replied, •• Mr. eirkft, I make no insiouttines against any man, I state n so many weds that the bellies of the Greenman have been held out ; that votes have bete bought and sold, and Peerages bartered to effect • purpose ; I make these statements, and no insinuation;" and, continued Earl Grey, bit. Foster sat down, nor was any answer given to the charges.--(Hear.) He contended that the distrait chising of the boroughs in sch-dule A was no more th a n what had been done in former times; the trust was resumed when it ceased to be beneficial to the parties exercislna it.— (Hear.) However, it had been said that the system worked well, and would his Majesty's Ministers, with all the evi. dines the country bad of its high degree of power and glory, venture to change a system of representation under which such results wete apparent! He confessed that the plea of working well might be carried too far; of this he was satis fied that It had neither the affection nor the confidence of the people of England. (cheers) but so far from its working well no system ever worked worse, and he was papered to shew it. In a recent debate in their Lordships' Howe, he understood (for he was not in the House, but had rani it In the papers,) that a Noble Baron opposite, (Whinsllll ) had made a valuable admission ; that Noble Lord said that the representation of Scotland was bad; its doom was this sealed by the admis sion of that Noble Lord who was to the present mea sure. Nothing amid well be lina ol gre s d ed so absurd and mon. 'trimly ridiculous as the representation of that motley ! With 33 counties, it had only 3000 voters, and making an allowance fur persons of that number who clearly had no right to vote, the total was reduced to 2,500, and making a further allowance of one-half who voted as a right of mere superiority, the real number was 1250 voter' for the whole of Scotland. not amounting to more than the voters of a small borough by the proposed mea sure. But were the details of the system gone into, the absurdity would be more glaring ;—in Argyle. shire there were ninety-seven boroughs, and only 130 voters;— in Caithness there were only 11 • In Renfrew- Mike with 115,000 inhabitants, only 152 ;deed ; and of these on nine voted in right of property.—The last 'he shoul d mention was Bute, which possessed 21 voters; and of these how 'many voted b virtue of the property which they had ?—only 000. A laugh.)—How war it partible to make any distinction between the revamp !alien of seilludaces and that of Old Serum. or D a ti o n ? How could IFire denied that' the Representation of Rrig land was equally monstrous, ridiculous, and absurd ? and how cmild Noble Lords, so the o th er Mile of the House retain the one and thalami the other 1 Such a course was equally against reason, law, and statutes. (Hear, hear.) But he should observe that ft was not against that House of Parliam -nt as a body the charge of nomination homughs 1 could with truth be laid; a few wealthy individuals were aggrandised by them, whilst the whole odium fell on the Peers as a body : whilst the feet was, they were the pro. pert' of low contractors, mtornies, and other speculative in dividuals, who assumed the power over the country to the inconvenheace of the Government. He should rand rigidly fur the rights of Ms own order ; anti it was the fortunate state Of society In this country, that all were united and drawn irresistibly to use their influence t'nr the general ad vantage of the whole. The Peers of Enema, 'bank Goo. had none of those immunities which distinguished the old Peers of France—they mix with the people—live on their estates, and act as ungismates. He did not hesitate to say, If it turned out to be the unfortunate decision of the house to reject the measure width he now had the honour of proposing, these securities which their lordships now pos sessed might be endangered ; whilst, if it passed into a law, be was psuaded al firmly that the powers of the peerage and the interest would be rat he r increased and ren dered men sure. That measure had met with an almost unanimous approval nut of deers. Their lordships had been tell list it would turn oat like any other popular ex citement ; mid emu at the dissolution of Me last Parliament, it bud been stated, as doubt by very wise men, that the re sult of the elating would be unfevourable to the cause of reform. (Hear, bear, hear.) But what was the present I . state of public fading as regarded the bill I Petitions in its favour to an extent unprecokntedly great, had been already presented, and 'son were to for • could he then doubt that there was a strong and general feeling in Its favour. (Hear.) He should not um the language of Intl ' midation, but be conjured their lordships, as They valued the prosperity of the country, to listen to the voice of nine. 'tesths•of the whole poc u lali . Ist, which had been expressed too loudly not to be Let not noble lords latter themselves, that if this mesa= of reform be rejected, a more moderate guessers will be mbithuted with advantage; he called upon•nobie lads to entertain no such feeling (cheers.) I Noble lords must either takeabe present bill, or submit to an alternative infinitely more dangerous. He would not give way to popular clamour, but be would not remain deaf to the voice of a unanimous people. What led to conerrio to the Catholics ? Did not a noble duke opposite, and a right honourable gentleman in the other house of parlia ment, only second to that noble duke In infiusnee, say that it could no longer be withheld with safety to the country P That noble duke and right hon. gentleman changed their fixed ?intone in consequence of the public feeling loudly es- He ( Earl Grey), with respect to the present measure, had such change to make; but if he had, he should not beeitate.to dectare that the feelings of tine people requited it. (Heat.) *lir Robert Pealed stated in titterer:se to the ea. Wolk qesation, that public opinion could no longer be with stood, to he could no longer remain a member of the go. , yernment, and shut our the Roman Catholics from a parts , cipation in the common benefits of Englishmen. ; the Light Honourable Gentleman at the same time stated, via the beet criterion fee judging correctly of public fiebrig upon say question d in Parliament, was to take a certain number Of the principal counties and towns, arid see bow their representatives voted en that question. Tile light Hon. G adman, on the occasion alluded to, selected 1 orkshire. ' aliddleax, Sort, and some ocher counties, to the number of twelve—the mat important in Rnglarol.; of these there se e nineteen for the measure. and sercuteen against it. shewing a majority for public feeling of only two; Bad yet that was auMeient to induce the Right Honourable liwieutan to change his opinions in favour of the CaMolics ; now, witha spect to die towns and cities selected, there were London, Westininster, Southwark, Derby, Car isle, Chester, and others, to the amount of forty-two; and the genera l 'tumult was, twenty-six foe the Catholics, and simeeasgainst than; so there were in isinntits nineteen mu revenues', and in towns and boroughs 'misty-six to sixteen, which was suilleient to Induce Sir R. Peel to shandun nis former opinion. and adopt the skit of the people. New s hat *as the stall of the alt. Term locales during the Pali:sinew? Thete were twenty. trees omit, members for the measure and nine whoa A; taking the tame 2$ towns as those Peltetett by Ste Robert Peel, Mae were 37 fur and eight against fit. Rau this! majority in the last Parliament he thought was pretty Mei- . itae ; but hew did the mem stand at .pecans ? -(tAtes..) Of these ninety-two tonne every Ii divio.u.l Member mad; in flavour of the bill, the very cream of I.gland as it were,' amot.zst whom absolute unanimity is (Cheers.) If this were not convincing t. opinion he was at a Ines how to reckon it. second reading of the bill, tilting tnto ace who had any proence to say they sect as r the People. the evidence was st•ll more ne e . It then be doubted that the peup.e were nut Would it he rate then to reject a measure r Crown, and which ha. ratted the Host• of which the people were unanimous ? Bit' nob) of the danger of concession 31in osiers a r cad concede there is o knowing Wiete it would tbeolddoctrine from which much nano hasi oat the want of eonce,sion which lost the Phillip I ? sr England to Castles I ? which produced the tr.,ubl,•r swivel+ arms: "sign of Charles the Second ? Was it Isla to us America N—(Cheent.) Was is cones-v.lw wittca overtutned the old owenrchy of Frsnce ? lie was H the old monarchy Nat that country had done what ha (Earl Grey) now counselled their Lordship to d.., •tls; —to accede to the wishes of the purple, and stand by them, the monarch and his family might hare 'thes been securely on the throne of France. %Vas it coned -aka, be would again task, which produced the last revo lution in that country ? At'as it not rather an stmt pt le the liberties of the people?—(Hear ) Flom all tit se be deduced the lesson to concAle in time.—{Hear.) Advert. kg to the p►es:nt state of Ireland, no one could lament it more than he did ; but it was not that concession was bad policy as respected that country, but that it taut been too lung deferred. (Hear.) He shetuld sty, therefore, consAe in time. and concede generously. (H:ar ) lie again dis claimed the use of all intimidating I tno,uage, but skis a measure like the present CAM? reconmsended in the spend' from the Throne, passed by the House of Commons. and urged by - the people in overeat:lining and irreststiule ma jorities, would their Lardships put themselves its typos., don to these, and reject the second reading of a measure WAIWISeef/ etesor needs I to their attenvon. He again said, let- not No tie Lords flatter themselves that another and a more ttaude►ate plan would be propes:d, and which would ssttaly the public. As a Member of a free state be deprecated every thing like intimidstion ; but as a Illembet of the British Government he was hound eseeseldee malts- The noble earl cooduded by energeu. .1)4 eddreembes the bench of Bishops, up in whom the eyes of the whole eesstry were at present filed. By t' - e Dies. sure before their lordships he should stand or f ill ; his con. doubts eves as beer in office must be grounded on a rea ssemble peespeet of carrying that measure. And hr wished k Mbe distioctly understood, that the dangers io be esaled by the rejection of the bill, sire it•.t to bst obviated rizmistemare of reform of a more limited iscor; ; any such swot be propos•d by him; (Hear, hear. he sr.)— So dwell Weer consent to bold OU: a del icier stereesure of relief, being well assured that the pcisp!e of F.tigland were entitled to the one now proposed ; lie trusted tneir Lord ships would be wise in time. and study the &drone- meat of the glory and good of the church. and the safety and welfare of the country—(tsar)—his atssious h was, then their lords4lps webeilil ►ee tit_ necacty of giv:iig their sal ction to the measure ; he ►b.wld, therefor.., read a accond•timc." Toe liable earl appeared to labour u• - der consi•lerable exhatistson •ow ads the close of his ~ .peeeo, which rendered it sac.redingly difficult at finite to catch tie matting of the end ufhis acuteness , . lie was loudly cheered as he sat down. The LORD CHANCELLOR put t h e queetiun that the bill be now read a seenial time. (toed WHAKNCLIFFR said, the noble earl had toll their lordships that by this hill fur (1 vet nment was to stand or fall—that if they did not take Ibis measure, they must have something worse. (Coen front the Oppo .it d n side.) He (Lord Wharneldt) must judge how far this bill could be adopted with safety to the conatltu ion, and if he thought it could not, hen an individual member tif that house—acd the house, if it agreed with him, eat hound to refuse it, aril not to deliver the country neer to a new constittrion. of which no man could forvel the danger. The noble col said, " I have produced a Li I, which, in my opinion, is the only measure that can rave tile country. Accept it, or take the coosequenert." I: it w r: nut agreed to, the consequence was to be the breaki , :g up of the thor.lnntent, and on a f hare occasion the some inrasure suu.t be adopted. Earl GREY said, nu less efficient oteas.tre could b.: adopted. Lord %PHA RNCLIPFP. returned. --Supposing Post It Menthe?' at this side o the Rouse could be bra lilt t i say that such boroughs ought to be done away ail • a.,;,rrly„ that the whole of the hot c of ("ominous >loud t be pops. ,Indyelestall. led that the Noble P.art's Rill sh is d h.• adopt.. t o/ di Iblialea, he said that the present C.c.s itu•iou, ise nig, I sad Conarions, coukl not go on tr,rbe sum • system, but that we must make up our Inn,nds to a republic mine as we can. (Cheers from the °pikes tion.) He edd that the Noble Karl was beuiid to show, not only that corruption prevailed in the pressen system of elec. none, or That the Senn niutle of representation was such as could not be &fended ; but be sat bound also to s :OW that what he sultstituted fur that which he proniiu tent in be bad and frul•fensible, would obviate the ineonvenia races which he condemned, and would not introduce other inconveniences, as great Or grra er titan those which had heretofore existed. Ile would sake. first, the Soosch system of repneentatino. He adult teal th at I was in sues a state as the Noble Rail had represented Ir. but not owing to the cause which be had ass:lined. It was not from cierupdan that it was in the state which the Noble Earl d.sser bwi. The Noble Rind was quite mistaken on that point. It was net that corruption prevailed there, but In Sentient% Tne whole representation was to the hands o a few, and there was not such a thing as popular reeresenutt on in that country. That was the case in the Scotch Constitution. and he admitted that it was one eatisng fo• Reform. Hut they mast take Scotland with England and ireisad as 0 , 4 CO/IstitiVio^. ' • There might be many fauhs in the system an represeatalon . ha tiosSiod, but joined with the tones, and nt.rting in one Parliatioat. it might form a constant:lois a uply capable of delbmilhe the liberties and pre cling the interes, of this pi*. Iri h respect to the Poulin/doe has. roughtt, Ile would just say, as he had observed in 'etta: he bad addressed o then lordships berme, that be did Mt died the nomitsat on boroughs because they were noun nosed le peers, or persons of great stealth. lie was far tem defending them on that ground ; but he said that their use was this—that in the House 44 Comsnoas they act e d as a cheek upon those members who were mute popularly elected, and diminished popular commotion", from which danger was always to be appre hen ded. By the regulations of this bill the Whole strength of the legislature would be in the Hem of Commas,. The House of Lords would he nooses, sal it would be well If the Crown itself could stand before at.— (Cheese (torn the Opposition ) The noble bold who icor,. doted tide measure into the other house had spplii d to the lodes, or anti:reformers, as they were called, she wi Ids of Croo;well at the battle of Dunbar —" The Loan hash de livered them into our hands." But it should be recollected that there was another partylesides the tunes Thee Was Ittioubttilly, a party its the country who wished to establish a •Itiblican govern:lien ; 'sod they said of the supporters o' bill '• The Lou hub delivered them into our hands." knew that, by this measure, their Lordships would ve themselves of all means of debacle. and give them. • se ves entirely into 'their power.--(Hear, Max) The Bill • ;7 professed to give the right of voting to lOL householders. He was of opinion, that in all Unmans to which this miss sure would tinted, this qualification was too low, and taken instead of 10!. 'a sear, it amounted in practice to Sa. M. or 35. ad. a week, it ap peared to him that the step Wetweer this provision and universal suffirage WIN very narrow Indeed ' He was opposed to the Bill for three seasons ; firs, that Whilst it prime jut* gave to the 'great lehdeti propnetot a Certain degree of inexact, yet that war giv• n in 'dr. way, that, it the Peer or the landed propnctory sheold dare to exert it ' they would pike thentseives in a situattot. • wheels would be &Strom 'reelable, if not absolu fly danger. (km, though eiercising, like others, as undoubted right. '''his etas a material 'objection, in his mind, to the Rill; it was in itself an hi:lentos proposition ; and If it werel..ken connectedly with the plan for the matfett of the voters be 101. Istildirge, it Would, and must, lead to the ballot.— (Hear, hear.) ft had been assumed by the noble earl that this Hill was to tie the titian! settlement it 'was no guest thing—it was utterly halitasible. (Cheers.) This 'neve: could be the Anal &Menem of the clams nestie. at d tin iness!, making by Alai eLos to society for In and I:.. Suence. Already had tlicy been seabed that is ass not su lookcd at by the more stet:snouts advocates •re the v.ty mu, sure Welt'. They bad let out (be sent in the beat •.1 :Hs.' 1 cussion cheek*, and inif one mist t s ee ' trout what t ; : 4 : I 'returned In rho 'odoi hose, that the Ideh had bien ahrte.ti,t t Riven up that it hos to he ar•y I ;lig like ii tan! selt)inies't 1 But 4* malt atitividlosu port of the wide rips thidt;..l. ** Butt wirthilietaillalint they We tifialapt thi bi I sits . t f Vets, tie, Weis Oki Sheik) tonne:apt lb dila ti tit,r it,' ( { ..a:.: l eers /teat* 00tiabint. Thh Habit Eikroshi 16. ..#.l !adopt the eiroind ?Odle& (doriestioted theiit a tAitiCAA si lln eke It bribil Ale. 'Why . sot ? • Ifteni,"iit.s 4 (lioce • - 1 was there Itetestier of eluting the bill? Had they p .sti to• 0 1 ., • • F . • . • • •• . .• found In .7v • videnee of • t. (Hear.) 01 -It 7 1 nee unt t , ose onl • I ntattee• e! ; coul I nut for the bill ? •e itunetioned by the if Commons. and fur Rile hock hao opuue toldit they ti :( • • n.l ? That tea, lid an+ .n. il'aa I. the Netnerlat•de to WA it COllecmi•al , in the r d of tn.! • t conee.siln it VITI4rs,I *lnca • • • F,.. id Jr ee It, so :dr la. id DC 'Cr