Star. — London, England, 1810-03-02 00:00:00

r „i f eard!' e+ he 6PI )., 6nt • Mr. SP: r . aw ed, 0 • ..1,:11:1- 1 M• n or. t t" ;;,fr Res' a verts btlati fere nece 1 1 . 1 at !ICC ( Fas o TO '.ll fr,jt w+ . • c ii-t p:071.1•2 • re 111,11: ••• cr be n.': i d:ch r: doth 1)1 ••+ e 1 •• i n+.l: v:11 ca;)1;s1. ,:aced ; and its • the plAc h;ld ani, it wal Portu;.gt about that soc tine Tr: - C:e te.nion fencing t::tre t" eco 1 dents; i•,7 son • ce.ion Thel roertinl free, bsopi of the tend 2 lixtg • Ci Peri' the (mg! mast in Ir • men, in rh • tvou • icat' is I: rem a 2 ^IIQ ty . 0- ed M: is- c.f 01- 11c „- lit het 11 . • they Aso the ) Cen 1 1G been as b 1 Cie! eh IQ said I , • tot ttr tut bet Do • *MI ie.. Mit .t • We r Stillno" diet flex Frii rsel con the ;re Pro !scr art the tt,t. The !tier tl.e Qui lea Lot to. t tr e • to Ott: to IA • ci .nu cii *is occasion, :ad yet art herebylcrsi:r.amcied N i rhkt Mae the reduction ? Was :}!e million charged all expended, er ii not all expended what became ofthe reinaltder He admitted; however, that if the Coun- PF.AIIER then addressed the House as fol. Is it the pleasure of the House that Mr. d;scharged horn ;Iv cu;te.dy of your Ser. This was aiztccd to wit:o:7ot a dissenting . try Gentlemen would do their duty in their respective corps, the rAcal Militia was capable of being made an effective force. The next head was the \Vaggnn Train. Zither this was bad or good ; if bad, it ought to be put down altogether ; if good, it ought to be supported ; yet neither was done ; according to the present items a middle course was taken that did no thing. As to the Staff it was absolutely monstrous, and called loudly for curtailment. Of the Medical Board, he should only say that it had run itself out —it had been detected and was exposed to the public in all its nakedness ; but of the new Board he would ask why was there an increase of salary ? Because as it was pretended, the Members of the new Board were not to practise : why this was a trick upon the public; the Gentlemen who had been appointed could not lose their practice by that appointment, for they had none previous to it. Dr. Weir was an oli ma ) —he had passed as a surgeon's mate 49 yearss ago. Dr. Ker was also a very old man, and had, he be lieved, gone into the country and retired from practice many tears back. Dr. Gordon was a third, who was aged, and retired from - practice ; was it not therefore deceiving the public to state as a ground for increase of salary the loss of practice, when no such depriva tion took place ? But with respect to the old Medical Board—he did not think matters could stop at their dismissal—if they had been guilty of what had been , imputed to them they must be punished ; nor areal .examination necessary merely with respect to the old tßoard. He thought it alsonecessary as to the con stitution of . the new Board. It was odd that all the Gentlemen of that Board to whom he had occasion to allude, were from the ' North of the Tweed. There might be nothing in all this ; but certain it was, that the Cornmander in Chief was not from the South of the Tweed. The Honourable Gentleman dela adverted to the paper of economy. He cell sdred extremes upon this important question, and' thbught it dangerous to hold out to the people pro spects of retrenchment that were not likely to be re-i alized. He joked upon the manner in which his Honourable Friend' (Mr. Wardle) had introduced his plans of ceconotny out of the place he had chosen to propose them • 'but no doubt great al lowances were to be made for the conviviality of a tavern meeting, and that elation of mind his Honour able Friend must have felt from his high and deserved popularity. Ten millions, forsooth, to be saved the country at one dash I Had his Honourable Friend taken another glass of wine,' it was more than pro bable, that the ten would have been twenty. He nett everted to a pamphlet of an Honourable Member (Mr. Huskisson). He had heard it once said, that it was surprising how differently men spoke in and out of office. . It was exemplified in the case of the Ho nourable Gentleman, whose speech on a former night might- be said to be a counterpart to that spoken last year by his Honourable Friend (Mr. Wardle) ; to which speech that Htmourable Gentleman had re plied in a speech calculated to refute what he had so lately been labouring to establish. He would ask, what would the frimitear, what would Bonaparte say when they had-from sttch high authority as that of the Honourable Gentleman (Mr. Huskisson), of whom it might be truly said, that he was the greatest loss the present Minister had sustained, when they had it from his authority, that if we went on as we were going, our resources must in a few years be ex hausted ? The Hon. Gentleman then adverted to the question. of peace, on which subject he repeated his usual sentiments, and concluded with moving, 'that instead of iht word "now" be inserted " this day rerthi g hl iz . ' Lord PAL ESTON shortly replied to the se veral speakers. With respect to the chief point in - question, viz. reduction in the expenditure, he bad to state that a permanent reduction had taken place .of upwards of £300,000. As to the New Medical Board; they had been recommended by a Board of General Officers. • I Lord CASTLEREAGH wished to state, that in consequence of some suggestions made to him while in office, he had signified his Majesty's desire to the Commander in Chief that an Inquiry into the Medi cal Department should take place, both as to the conduct pursued while on service, and after the return of the Expedition to this country. A Board of Ge neral Officers was accordingly appointed, of which he believed General Fox was the President; they sat at the Horse Guards for several weeks, and then drew , up a report, which gave a most minute statement of the Hospitals and The different stations, and conclud ed with giving it as their deliberate opinion, that the Medical Service had been correctly conducted. The Noble Lord noticed another point, viz. the regular , army. He stated; that notwithstanding the immense losses which the army had experienced in the field, the regular force was at this period 3.1-,000 higher than it was on the 21th of March, 1807, on the charge of the Government, and that, if the recruiting went on, it would be 40,000 more than in 1807. Mr. WHITBREAD did not mean to impute blame to the Government for the conduct of the Medical Board. With respect to the Estimates, he did not' know whether it would not be more prudent to refer them to a Select Committee, before the House were called on to vote. Mr. HUSKISSON complained of having been misconceived, and consequently misrepresented by the Honourable Gentleman. He denied that the speech to which the Honourable Gentleman had alluded was a counterpart of the other Honourable Gentleman's (Mr. Wardle). He defended himself from the im.' potation of throwing indiscriminate censure upon his Majesty's Ministers, but admitted that he had some doubts as to the policy of continuing the excess of expenditure referred to in his speech on a former night. Lord FOLKESTONE defended Mr. Knight,' who ha d been alluded to in terms of harshness in the course of the debate, from the imputations of blame cast upon his conduct in the bleaca De partment of the late expedition. Sir J. NE VI PO R'[' objected entirely to The estimate relating to the Barrack Department in Ireland. The Honourable W. POLE replied at considerable length to the Honourable Baronet, and warmly sup ported the estimate of which he complained. Colonel WARDLE asked the Noble Secretary for the War Department who the Barrack Mager Getsec ral was, who, it appeared on the face of the tailing", had retired on apposion of dliecJlticcr 'annum. ' ‘..rht ;: • !"- r4l - .„ i - 4t: '',', .... . . Serjeant Mr..Foller is dis on paying his fees:" — (if laugh.) -nceedirg ^• as then tadered to be entered on ''l ESTIMATES. c r,rt of the Committee of Supply being wi:11 regard to the Army Estimates, . FITZGERALD took occasion to remark rla7nitude of these estimates, compared to o f nur finances. According to the confes o Honourable Gentlemen on the other side se and Mr. Huskissor ), who were become to the doctrine of an Honourable Gentle ;rid h m (Mr. Wardle), great retrenchments :ess. , .re in ur expenditure, as, in their opi. i.v ,, re arrived at the maximum of taxation. :e,•;.; was indeed evident. It was now"pro • -it a sum for the support of 800,000 where were such men to be found ? The wi%ild naturally ask that question. In sa:: quite surprising how small the number of Inca in oar service in proportion to the o f 0.17 establishment. The experience of the 11.1.3 proved, that it vas found difficult to ▪ ,f io disposable troops ; then where were the .: , ..icpendent of the 100,000 we had in the: :, , :t of the number included in the present • ,t .-ss than 20,000 men were actually yet to. , • ',!t. J. The system of ordinary recruiting was • L a supply the casualties of the army, . 2su alies were so much aggravated by . the ,1 ro less than 20,000 men, in the course Of iq gear, in Spain and Walcheren. To the i• i•-:suld be absurd to look, for that resource l ie-isedly exhausted. The extent of the latter lenent was, it was stated, about to be re but he trusted, for the sake of the co entry, mistitution, it was not proposed to supply cc of that reduction by foreign corps. We -2.1.:y above '23,000 foreigners m oar service ; was undcrstood, that to-moreow.night a. mo. IS to be made for the employment of 30,000 .tu.:e troops. Then, it was proposed, to have 0,(.0k) foreigners in our pay ; but, he hoped, a force was not to be accepted as a substi our militia. After some observations upon :punt of our cavalry, which he considered gdite v;, the Honourable Gentleman pointed the at of the House to the arrangements at Marlow ;e, wnere the same salary was granted to the g-m aster and the teacher of fortification, as if were no difference in point of consequence be the two for the education of our Military all , and indeed, from the talents recently displayed , me of our Generals, it would seem that fortifi- . was not deemed a very material acquisition. Honourable Gentleman concluded with animad ig upon the amount of our naval and military , which exceeded 800,000 men, and which, in inion, was far beyond the population and finances empire to sustain, although still unable to con agallist Bonaparte in any quarter where he could W; int cns to act. L.teral TARLETON felt called upon by an ins- . to-s sense cf duty, to offer a few observations to ii-ttse; and undertook.to prove that no reduction :!.: to be made in the cavalry force, which was our it useful arts. If there had been a cavalry force [reland at the time, General Humbert, with 800 , could never have advanced fifteen days march country. He had surveyed Ireland with a .ary eye, and could assert that •it was peculiarly, arable for a body of cavalry to aCi in. Wherever :tltrimi could hunt, there could cavalry act. It been B(.naparte's uniform practice to employ large of cavalry ; and it was to the pressure of the ch cavalry that was to be ascribed the great loss tined in the precipitate retreat to Corunna. An eve c.tvalry was a most useful, but an ineffective ,:ry was a most dangerous force to employ ; he gut therefore, that efficient horses only should be biased tor that service. He implored his Majesty's - f:rs, therefore, not to suffer themselves to be per • by any arguments, to make a reduction in a ▪ necessary to the present security and ultimate ce of the country. J.,A.tIBE observed upon the excessive amount St:tff. In the home. district he stated that there eno less than seven General Officers, who, with au-Camps, &c. made up 20 Staff Officers alto tr—and of that utility were they ? How were , employed ? Even the Volunteer Corps derived benefit from their revision or superintendance. In year ISOS the Duke of Cambridge reviewed some lunteer Corps in Hertfordshire, but ever since no !ncral Officer had attended to any such thing, or 'n seen on duty in that county. qr. PARNELL complained that the Report of Military Commissioners, with regard to the Mode regulating regimental accounts in the War Office, td not been attended to, although that Report had :i for two years before the House. tir. WHITBREAD said, that much as had been id upon the subject now before the House, he did believe that the :ccounts had yet been half gone rough. With respect to the mounting of cavalry, thought it better to give even 1E75 for a horse that old do its duty, than £25 for one that could not be ade effective. As to the Manx Fencibles, -the& Pere 1;14 up with the avowed object of preventing toggling, and yet it had been said, and not contra sted, that they themselves were smugglers. The la head was the Local Militia, he and a Right Hon. lend of his, not now in his place,. had said upon le first proposition of the Local Militia, that it would rove very expensive ; that it would tend to hurt the ',ficultural interests, and was calculated to unsettle People in general. AB this was at that time ai led and scouted ; yet all this had since turned out, .e Lccal Militia had cost the country last year million. There was not a man'enrolled who dial lot cost Geeeen Tneri t 88.2%. nor a man traineekerbodid ant c ,, st Government 03. Ss. and yetiest yen all the Loral Militia were not called- out—they were not all trained; why then should. there be refeeoa.te the :ountry a lair estimate of how far, they went called,' , ti:Lwliat extent th e y h a d been trained, was It unreas°4" able to dem an d suc h an: e st im at e ?.A.MillioishAff been, 'glared fur ti4e last year—Aoo,ooo for the 'Foca'. - _ NTEVAirt-00. • h *err sritaxta lIIGHNEss THA MAX* (It Yr: CUATEL AND wtoaAM I MAJDRJ . DincrftAL. Tn the letter which I had the hononi-of.tv . 7 :: • - to your Most- Serene Highness, cm the-27th. f• Cordova, I informed you that General Sebn,r had received orders •to march fr. mi Jaen wit'. • • troops of the 4th corps under his command, *II •• • proceed to Grenada. His movement COlll/nesc---i ., on the 16th, and he reported from Alcala la Itt• . on the 28th, that being apprived that '-• Arrizaga and Fraire, with 6 or 7,000 infanti* ‘le - tirely disorganized, and :.t..000 cavalry, the only rem nant of the army destr4yzd Ocana, and the of the Sierra, Morena, intended to throw themseire: into Grenada. aod•excite the people there to - .Surrectiou, by seebnding the intrigues of some n ht• who were preaching up a crusade against the Frenc,:, ; he hastened his march, and advanced with the nn-in , body of his troops and his artillery by Alcala • while-the brigade of light cavalry, calor:Jai-Z..4i `Gener3l Peyreitnont, followed the road that ! thrbugh Cambil and Lme lannov. This brigade ca Ay with elle enemy at the latter place, immediately char - ed them, and took a great. number of prisoners; convey of 32 pieces of artillery, part of which w..t.; •battering cannon.' • . , 4 The right column fell in, beyond- Ala& 1.% Real, with a corps of 1500 Spariishlokse, tontrenti :- ed by General Fraire. Colonel Cortano44, at head of the 20th regiment •of dragoons* and 14 s ,\.*. voltigenrs, supported by the brigade of General rot, composed of the 12th and 16thregiments goons, immediately.charged this corps, routed, ! clo;ely pursued it for .three leagues, of 200 men, took 214 cavalry, of whom 15 are cers, and, among these, the Colonel of Ferdinan:..‘e• Regiment. Three hundred horses were also taken., The remainder of this corps dispersed, and proceetft d' to fin Grenada with terror. In a few hours the Ni • gistrates of that City met the advanced-guard of (2 • neral Sebastiani, and delvered to it in writing 111 submission of their fellow-citizens ; so that, ori ti 2Sth, at night, General Sebastiani was to have crlt tered Grenada. The report, which he 7731 to trans mit inrrediately, is every moment expected. • gi After the defeat of the cavalry, four talpre,p7m, of cannon and a great quantity of ainviusiti*l4AxerAt taken. Lord PALMERSTON relgied, that to the best of Lis recollection, the Gentleman alluded to was Gene ial De Lancev. • Mr. HU6KISSON spoke in favour of the nicode - • adopted by Goternment of rewarding that officer. Mr. WILLIAM SMITH deprecatedithe appoint ment as. an unnecessary piece of extravagance, grid an additional burthea upon the countrv. The CHANCELLOR of the EkCHEQI,JRR, disagreed with the Honourable Gentleman in the ' , view he had tiken upon the subject, thinking as be did, that the services of so meritorious an Officier ought to meet with al! adequate reward. The Right Hon. Gentleman entered into an able defence of all the items of estimate in the account before the House, except that relating to the " Home Staff," which be confessed (right to undergo some revision ; and en tertaining such an opinion, he declared that be would, not diiide the House upon that point—(Thar, tear! Mr. HUSKISSON and Mr. PERCEVAL seve• rally explained. Lord G. LEVESON spoke against Mr. Whit bread's AnaNidment. • Lord PALMERSTON etptained. Mr. BANKES, Mr.'l4: - THORNTON, Mr. GILES, and Sit C. BURREL, deelesset their de termination to vote in favour of the amendment, and Mr. DUNDAS nppo'ied it. Mr. WHITBREAD, in reply, said he should not divide the House upon his Amendment, but he Cid hope that some of the items he should name would be reserved for further consideration. He particu larly mentioned those relating to the Home Staff, the Medical Department, and the Local Militia, all of which he moved should be taken into further consi deration on this day fortnight. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER pro fessed his willingness to agree with the Hon. Gentle man's proposition, of deferring the consideration of the Home Staff subject ; but to the others he gave his positive dissent. The question on Mr. WHITBREAD'S amend ment was then put from the Chair, and negatived without a division c and the original question for tak ing the report of the Committee of Supply " now" into consideration was carried in the affirmative. The House then agreed in all the resolutions of its Com mittee, excepting that relating to the Home Staff, the further consideration of which was postponed until this day fortnight. WALCHEREN EXPEDITICN. tRENCTI PAPERS. ''r..~. Lord PORCHESTER observed, Osit in rising - s ,--- General Sebas . tia.ni has orders to send reeonnoht co move that the Order of the Day for the House re- t r i n g parties to Antectuerra„ Malaita, 'cli t o-it," -- ath4 sliming its inquiry into the policy and conduct of the Guadin, as soon as. be arrives at Grenada, 4)0740 • late Expedition to the Scheldt should be read, he to insure the submission of the . province• and is eanif begged to be understood as not wishing to go at ' plete the dispersion of the enetiy. He has 'heated, length into the deliberation on that important subject. that deserters are }oaring him in crowds. ' ' ar , but merely that the House should go into a Commit- " Your Most Serene Highness has also .seein'hy tee for form sake, in order to give an opportunity to my Report 'of the 27th, that his Catholic Maies`ty, a Noble Lord (Castlereagh) to deliver in a narrative on leaving Cordoct, had caused thelbt and stlecoaps . which had been alluded to by Lord Chatham in the to advance towards Seville. The advadced guard course of the last night of his examination. Whilst of Marshal the Duke of Belluno, commanded be he was on his legs he thought it necessary to state, General Latour Maubourg, fell in, on the 2Stii, at for the information of the House, that it was his pur- Exija, with a party of 400 Spanish horse, and pu - pose not to call any more witnesses upon this subject, sued them. Some prisoners, who were iakcia but that he meant to content himself with the mass stated, that Albuquerque's division, which hal of documents and papers already in possession of the come from Estremadttra, and had been reinforced Committee, which papers, he believed, would con- by the division of General Sairis and some depots, vey more just and accurate details of the transactions • forming, altogether, a corps of from 13 to 200)1 of the campaign, than any the House could elicit men, had passed the Guadalquivir at Binconad. , from oral testimony. At the same time he reserved and posted itself between Alcala de Guadira end. to himself the right of calling such other witnesses as Carmona. They likewise gave confused accoun.s might appear necessary in the progress of the Inquiry, o f what was passing at Sevile ;—the movement te . to produce, with a view to explain, or repel what the Ist corps, was, therefore, accelerated. On 11:s might seem not to be contradictory in the testimony approach, 6or 7(00 men, who had been posted whli of the witnesses, who should be called on behalf of the Duke d'Albuquerque„ at Carmona, where they his Majesty's Ministers. might have defended themselves, withdrew, and have Lord CASTLEREAGH said, after the declare- since continued their march by way of Utrerai to tion of the Noble Lord, of his intention not to call wards Xeres and Arcoi, whence, it is supposed-, they any more witnesses, he (Lord Castlereagh) would will proceed to the Isla de Leon, near Cadiz. The feel it to-be his duty to call General Brownrigge, and advanced posts of the first corps arrived, last night, two or three other officers, for the purpose of putting b e f ore Seville, whence some cannon-shot were fired. the Committee in possession of some important infor- This day, Marshal the Duke of Belluno presented matian relative to the Quarter Master General's de- himself with the first corps before, the city, and re partment of the army. coonoitred the works thrown up by the insurgents The question being put, and carried in the affirma- to-morrow night these works will be attacked, and tive, the House resolved itself forthwith into the the place taken by assault, if at noon it has not Committee of Inquiry. opened its gates ; but there is every reason to hop:, Strangers were not excluded as usual. that the inhabitants will, by their speedy submission, Lord PORCHESTER then called upon Lord prevent a recurrence to this fatal extremity. Nc . ;:).. Castlereagh to produce the memorial or narrative of ciations are already commenced, and the Governor, his own (Lord Castlereagh's) which was alluded to who appeals a very reasonable man, implores the by Lord Chatham in the course of his evidence be- clemency of the King, and represents, that having fore the Committee on Tuesday night. but few regular troops, he is overawed by some thou. Lord CASTLEREAGH. immediately put in the sands -of peasants, who were summoned from -the paper in question, which purported to contain a series mountains to the assistance of the city, and who are of observations drawn up by the Noble Lord, and indulging in ea•ery species of excess. By to-morrow, relating to the plan of an attack on the Islands in their phrenzy will doubtless subside, and it is to be the Scheldt, avowedly written in consequence of the hoped that we shall be so fortunate as to preserve the instructions received by the Noble Lord from his Ma- mass of the inhabitants, who manifest dispositions as jesty on the 21st of Jane, 1809. The Noble Lord favourable as the people of Andalusia, from the ca prefaced the introduction of this paper by observing, lamities which they have still to dread. . that it was by no means to be considered as an o - gg The cavalry of the Ist corps has pushed forward cial document, but rather as a memorandum of his to beyond Utrera ; its posts intercept the navig, ~un own, drawn up originally for the purpose of after- of the Guadalquivir. wards forming a more detailed plan of arrangement a The sth corps has a division at Carmona, :ind upon its undigested hints. another, with its cavalry, at Marchena, whence Mar- The House having resumed, the Chairman, Sir shal the Duke of Treviso is sending detachments to John Anstruther, reported progress, and obtained occupy Ossuna, and to advance to Moron. leave to sit again on Tuesday next. • " T.O-morrow the King will go to Alcala, where LORD CHATIIAM'S NARRATIV4 AND HIS MAJE:3TY'S his Majesty will direct such dispositions as circurn- ANSWER. stances may render necessary in regard to Seville. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER ~ At Jaen were found four millions of cartridges asked • some of the Honourable Members opposite, for infantry, and other stores. General Senarmont.bas whether an Hon. Member (Mr. Whitbread, who had received orders to farn a tram of siege artillery at left the House) had altered his determination of bring- Cordova, which the captures from the enemy ena bl e ing forward his promised motion to-morrow, on the him to do. subject of Lord Chatham's Narrative, and the Answer 44 The Junta has dispersed. The Count d'Altamira of his Majesty to an Address of the House, praying and the &shop of Laodicea have been apprehended him to lay before the House such other papers or nar by the ,insurgents at Xeres, and others in the Isla de ratives as that Noble Lord might have presented to Leon. It is asserted, that Romana has gone to join his Majesty ? the relics of his former army, commanded by the Mr. TIERNEY and Mr. PONSONBY said they Duke del Parque, which is said to be still about the believed their Honourable Friend had not altered his Tagus and the Guadiana. The Junta had sent for determination of making his motion to-morrow upon Castanos and Cuesta ; the former had an interview this subject; certainly he had expressed no such in- with the Duke d'Albuquerque, at Carmona a but it is tention to them. not known whether he accompanied him. On the It was understood therefore that. Mr. Whitbread's entry of the Imperial troops into Seville, we shall motion would come on to•morrow (this day). know what has become of all those men who have On the motion ot oat CASTLEREAGH, Mr- been the bane of their country. We have rec eiv ed Huskisson and Sir itlqeele were ordered to attend as news that the English squadron, which was in the bay i l r o witnesses on Moutin Wit, before the Committee of of Cadiz, has set sail and gone off ; in a few cl.iys Inquiry. ~, .„, , ; 1_ • this assertion will be verifi:.l. The other IIS were then disposed ~ the n and the . .4 alf past two o'cl , c k . h a bitants are tittremety antic:l6 to anticipate its wa is . • *.• . • •' % . • .. . . -•