Star. — London, England, 1821-02-21 00:00:00

Teasing the King to restore her namelo the Littirgy f their Lordships would look at the history of the cases in which the prerogatives of the Crown bad for centuries past been exercised, and the different Statuteshy Which those prerogatives were maintained, all doubt must he removed from their Minds as to the right of the King to do the act in question. The Archbishop of CANTERBURY said be felt it necessary to make a remark on what had been just said of persons seceding from the Church in conse quence of the omission of her Majesty's name from she Liturgy. If any such secession had taken place, he must assure their• Lordships it must be imputable to political, and not.to religious feelings—(Hear, hear).—But of such secession he was altogether ig norant. It was far from his intention to undervalue the claim of her' Majesty to haie her name restored to*the Liturgy ; • but he •ntist . say, that it was not altogether unaccorhpanied with the subject of reli gion. Her Majesty was alresidy payed for, as well as every 'other member of the Royal Family ; and . therefore "the distinction she sought for was merely a political one.. Theie was no person in the country who did' not. partake of the prayers of the Church; and Goo forbid that the poorest person should not enjoy that advantage ! The question here was not one of religion, but merely of distinction in prayer, of grace and courtesy. . Lord ELLEN BOROUGH said, that when he con sidered what had been the conduct of the Queen, both. before and since her arrival in this country, and par ticularly when he reflected on her letter to the King, he did not see anything that should induce their Lord = ships to grant her so great a favour as was now pro- posed to be given by the present Bill. He was sure' that, amidst the distresses which now spread , over the country, there was no part of the conduct of pAr 'lament which the people would view with More irk probation than the very vote the House was then called on to give, by which £50,000 a-year of the' public money were to be given away, and perhaps most improperly employed. lie himself was anxious that the Queen should fall into utter oblivion, and she was falling fast into it. It was to the rejection of the Bill of Pains and Penalties, that he had to at tribute this happy change and consummation which vas now fast approaching ; for if that Bill had passed, the Queen would be still held.torth as an object of public persecution; the public irritation would be perpetuated, and the public prate would be disturbed.' But Ho such evils were now likely to happen. There were; indeed, some rumours abroad,•tti:itit was her - .Alajesty's, intention not to receive this money until her name was restored to the Liturgy. He hoped. 7 : timer {Amours were unfounded; that her Majesty would listen to better councils, and that she would be in duced to depart from the advice under which she had hitherto acted. He hoped she would take the money, and, in future, abstain ftom doing 'anything which might hereafter serve to perpetuate discussion's in Parliament, and to interrupt the public business. The Earl of LIMERICK could not, without re gret,' view the largeness of the present grant, while • tic country was in to distressed a state, and when he' rec - olleCted what her Majesty's conduct had been. Tne 'E irl of BLESSINGTON could not agree that the annuity of the Queen was too large ; on the ' • contrary, he should say, if he spoke his mind, it was too small. Ministers should have given her an out fit, and a house befitting her rank, failing, as they had done; in the Bill of Pains and Penalties against • her. But he was not . standing there as an apologist for the Queen, nor of that advice which had made her refuse this grant in another place. At the same time. he was not giving up her right a have her name re stored to the Liturgy, which he thought she was le gally entitled. to. The Country thought so also; and until that took place d there would be no peace or quiet, but an eternaNbullition of public sentiment. He had heard of one Church being shut up in conse quence of the Clergyman not praying for the queen. lit the Church of Scotland, and the North of Ireland she was prayed for; and what would the conse quence of a_general dissent from the Church of Eng land be? Did the People oL England like tithes ? ille,knew that there was a strong disposition in the People in the North of Ireland to join the Church of Scotherd. He would not propose any addition to the vote, but would support it as it now stood. Lord CALTHORPE said, he considered the grant was not too much ; and that Ministers had acted wisely in not reducing it below this sum. The Marquis of LANSDOWN thought that at this moment they should not press the House to a discussion on so mischievous a subject, which could beof no.advantage either to her Majesty or the coun try ; and he had, therefore, mentioned that opinion to his Noble Friend (Darnley), and he, with the concurrent opinions of others, had determined to forego his motion for an inquiry into the conduct of the -King's Government on this subject. Disap proving as he did of the Qneen's Letter to the King, and the AnsWers Co various Addresses, he must at the same time think that in the extraordinary situation, by the abandonment of the Bill, in which she was placed, it was the height of cruelty to make her an swerable for conduct in a situation in which no Queen of England was ever before placed. Whatever errors or improprieties she might have comrnitted since she arrived in this country, he thought she ought to be placed in a situation becoming her rank and dignity. The Bill was then read a second time, and ordered to be committed to-morrow (this day).—Adjourned. HOUSE OP COMMONS. The Irish Court of Exchequer Fees Bill was brought in by Mr. C. Ommt, and read a first thne, and ordered to be read a second time on the 2d of March. Sir M. W. RIDLEY gave notice he would to-morrow move for a Return of the Fres received by. the Admiralty for the last tea years. • Ikla BENNETT moved for a Return of the number of per wisebtivicted of Forgery, and executed for that offence, in Ire land, during the last three years. The Report of the Committee on•the Flax and Cotton Acts was brought up, the Resolation was agreed to, and a 13111 or dered accordingly. ARRICULTURAL DISTRESS. • Sir W. LEMON presented Petitions from Truro and four other places in the• county of Cornwall, of the present Agricult ura l Di stres s. complaining Similar Petitions were presented f rom Gl oucester , Doncaster, and various places in Warwickshire. I A Petition was presented by Mr. CHSTWYND from certain Owners and Occupiers of Land in the county of Derby, complaining of Agricultural Distress. Sir 1. COFFIN observed, it might appear like pre /uptown in him, who was neither an agriculturist nor a commercial man, to make any observations on this subject; but. he must express his wish that Gentlemen who were proprietors of land woid ad-. Nisetheir tenants to lay aside the character of gentle man, to' take again that of farmer—to resume the smoek-frock, and taus, by reverting to old customs, insure the return of old comforts. Mr. Alderman C. SMITH, in answer to this ob servation, said that had been already done; the far , mer had resumed his smock-frock, and .such were the distresses of the present tiros, that the situation of the farmer was little better than that of a darla -bourer.--The Petition was received, and ordered to be printed, &moot,' NG. Sir . E. KNATCHBULL, adverting to the'circuns stance of two men taken into custody on the coast of Kent, by-the Officers and men of the Preventive Sys tem. having been sent to town to be examined before a Magistrate here, desired to know whether any in structions had been sent to the Officer commanding tithe Preventive Service in Kent, authorizing him thus Ito send men charged with offences to be examined at a distance from the place where the offence was said to have been committed? Sir G. CLERK said, no such instructions or autho rity had been given; but it vas only justice to the meritorious Officer who commanded on that station, and who had adopted this course, to say, he had done it with a view of forwarding the ends of justice. The offence with which these individuals were charged was one of a most serious nature, and the Officer had considered it desirable to send them to town, for the benefit of the best legal advice, and to be examined before a Magistrate who had jurisdiction both in Kent and Middlesex. BANK NOTES. Mr. CURWEN wished to put a question to the Member for Bodmin. He understood the plan sub mitted by Mr. Applegarth, for the invention of a new 'Sank-note, had entirely failed. He hoped this was ' not correct; but that the House and the country might expect soon to have some Report from the Committee on this important subject, otherwise he should feel it his duty, to call the attention of the House to it. Mr. D. GILBERT, in reply, said, the Committee had been indefatigable in its labours on this subject; and, in the coarse of their progress, had encountered many and , great difficulties. The House would re';; collect the task impose t t on the Committee; they had to tax human ingenuity* produce something which • human ingenuity could sun imitate, A isan, which appeared at first inimitable, was afterwards found capable of imitation. With respect to the plan of Mr. Applegarth, there • had been - much ingenuity , displayed in it; amongst other things, that,Qtentle man's plan embraced the means .of Striking :iatE an indefinite number of notes"from the same-plate. This discovery was most important, as .it insured identity; but, in other respects, this plan of Mr. Ap plegarth was. found extremely defective; and the Committee had to look to other quarters for further information, and it was impossible for him to state immediately what further proceedings had been made. Sir I. COFFIN urged the necessity of something being speedily done on this subject; Mr. CURWEN trusted a Report would shortly be made to the House on this subject, otherwise he should feel it his duty to submit a motion for the production of the communications made to, and the steps adopted by, the Committee. He (Mr. Curwen) should be extremely sorry if it went out tn the coun try, that the plan of which so much had been said was so soon found within the reach of imitation. Now, for his part, he must say, that there never bad been a more clumsy imitation of any kind made, than that by the Bank of the plan alluded to It would have been at once detected at a single glance by the Public. He hoped that there was some speedy prospect of a practical issue to the matter, or else be should move for a Committee of Inquiry. Sir I. COFFIN said, he felt a personal interest in the subject, as having induced Mr. Pe. kills to come over from America to this country ; and he therefore regretted very much that the plan of that ingenious individual had not been adopted. Mr. D. GILBERT said that mode of engraving proposed by the plan was of the ordinary description, but the mode of hardening the plates was superior to any extant, and this alone constituted its superiority. CHURCH AND FIRE BRIEFS. Mr. LYTTELTON then rose to call the attention of •the House to the present system of issuing Briefs, to raise money -for the building and repairing of Churches, and affording relief to persons suffering loss by fire. The Hun.. Gentleman ehterei into a detailed statement of• the present mode-of conducting this system, which he said was most defective, and he concluded by moving for leave to bring in a Bill for amending the•same.—Leave granted. - NOTTINcrIAM PETiTION. Mr. DENMAN said, he held'in hit hand a Peti tion from certain inhabitants of-Nottingham, com plaining of the hardships of the times ; and also that there bad yet been no inqu iry' into the transactions of the 16th of August, at Manchester—(Hear. hear). —Some of his friends had entertained an opinion that the language of this Petition .was so strong that the House would hesitate to receive it—(Hear) he had read it over, and, whilst he acknowledged the language to be strong, he saw nothing in it disre spectful to the House. It came from Nottingham, where the distress was most pressing ; where those taxed to the Poor rates themselves stood in need of relief; and where at present the Poor-rates could , only be raised by the issue of 50 or 60 distress war rants daily : under these circumstances, he trusted the House would excuse the Petitioners, even though they should have expressed themselves warmly ; and, he would again repeat, that, seeing nothing disre spectful towards the House in its language, he should move that it be brought up. • The Petition was then brought up and read— It commenced by observing, that the presait were not times for the Petitioners to use language of adulation, but to speak as Englishmen upon the distresses and wrongs of their country. They implored the House, as they valued their own comfort and security, to attend to the security and comforts of their fellow countrymen. They stated, that the greatest evils had been brought upon the country by the acts of a corrupt and unfeeling Administration, under whose policy the real glory of England was tarnished, and her People bent down under acts of cruelty and oppression. The motto of those Ministers was " Divide and conquer." They implored the House to institute an Im peachment against them for the various injuries they had inflicted on the People, and for their base and trOtorous conduct against their innocent Mgh-minded, and persecuted Queen. • They wished to terrify the People acts of tyranny—men were led to captivity, .and Ifrousht to, tilt scaffold without cause. The Poop'', War* surideLdkroo • aid atisfOrtane, cried oat •to d h l i n s i N a i i ies•r- 7, ; ,:,,,, 0. food—their complaints were seemed by the Coen Lay—by tern , who bad thanked the tfoop: Whe n the oatt airnsse sll"4"" .cottr 6-11"1 1 disgrace Sth of l ui vitusti ka r 4 :74 ,d 7ga rinight awillia li 1 : t e knew u was , h ill a C 4 d Y n p h o p a t y li t t h o sh em i e le t a l r t v h e e t i l s e b i y i l l o s:tt ere tti o te f te have d;e I rh was not accounted for, disail m iet es zondre , juistail Th ey,' lea . prayed that the traitors oneSlium,, gene oe wrces _gr e „, A .,„). 7 ,k i . e b en , they bave ih r ompi re • berwbeoeelaidertbiet same e b th ro i u n g g h l t ast fOr s a u • m ar n ti l . er b ra ,* to - con di gn pun i a b n yo tn „, Th i 4joe s st i o d ir that day ha of the Member for Dover to the mhtion f or i„„. r• butchered by as armed Yessaaary, ahlio radyiglais far their deeds of neurder. ander mood; (mai the Mbitharedthh he &he w Prince Resent?Ordesed to li e ea the table , thit declaration, by adding, but not in • .. e '' (piny 6 th is On the question being put that the Petition be House, but in aCourt of o lu.tice. Thi s was a filet erdered.to be printed, , -on the Constitution; that was an inquiry which Mr. C. WYNN said, he had not opposed this Pe. never be obtained, though what had already L.. tition being received, but he could not consent to proved, spewed further inquiry was necess ary 7 the .present motion. This Petition charged.. that per- was asserted that the rioters went to St. Peter'yli e bl t sons had been unjustly dragged to the :enfold ; this 1 taking with them tart loads of stones ; n 0,,, ,in 0 ;_,-' was an insult to the laws of the country, and be quiry at Yor*, it appeared that the asterism s ~.a could not consent to having it printed. founded. %Id) respect to printing the p -•- n • emit): b e Mr. G. BENNETT defended the Petition, mid tb, thought, as it had been received, it folloued .2% motion for its being printed. lf the Hon. Gentleman matter a course, it should be printed.—t e h --11 thought the Petition might be received, it followed, then divided t—Ayes for printing * 08—Noes, 1 3 "11 I-4 as a mattet of course that it should - be printed. If Majority,. 66. the Ron. Gentlemen thought the Petition unfit to. be MR. JOHNSON ' S CASL nor, received, he shbuld have come forward fairly, and Mr. HOBHOUSE, adverting' to the' std have Opposed its being received. He was not now which had appeared in the public journal. wi t h,. defending all parts of the Petition; it was perhaps :peat to the refusal of the Secretary fin the H e L true; it was perhaps false; but the Petition having Department to accede to the Petition, rtining t h - it " Lea,. been received, he would not give up the printing, Mr. Johnson, who was at pre s ent a p r i soner i n Le which followed as a right of the Petitioners ; and he Castle, in consequence of his appearance at the 4, 6 7 would take the sense of the House upon it. Chester Meeting: might be allowed to go an d whi r Lord BINNING reprobated the language of. the wife, who was in a dyny, state, i n t h e v i c i ni.y q Petition. He bad not opposed the Petition being re. Manchester, and isho was now no me re; took oct . a. , ceived, but he would oppose its being printed. He sion to ask the Under Secretary of State w h et h er the had a right to do so, else why was the question as to statement alluded to was correct, and it so, upon l o ut its being printed or not, put ? He hoped his . Hon. ground the Noble Lord at the head of the D e2nr . Friend would divide the House upon it. 'tient thought fit to refuse ;he permission so i, c i ttd Sir IL WILSON was not called on to defend the under such peculiar circumstance.? whole of this Petition :he would not say, that men Mr. CLIVE knew nothing of the facts .4 theca% had been dragged against law to the scaffold; but he He bad heard that a Petition had been ' , resell:,,; by would say, that men had been cut down contrary to the individual tinder conviction, for permission to r n law, and his Majesty's Government had screened the his wife, but could not tell the grounds on tvlncit it guilty, and even rewarded them—(Hear, hear.) He was refused. was a few days since in a Court of Law, when an The ATTORNEY-GENERAL stated th.tt dn . Honourable Friend of his, a Member of the House, Secretary of State for the nonce Depart m e nt h if i s was brought up for judgment, for having expressed this case no power. The obje c t soug h t to b e as. his .seotiments .on this subject, and he then heard a tamed could only have been effected b y a pardonn. Learned Judge say, no man in this countr7 would a remission of the sentence ; and t h at , un d er ail the sustain injury, and not find law to redress him ; but circumstances, had not been deemed a d v i sa bl e. t e denied it; for he had been endeavouring, for 18 To a question from Mr. Hormone, as to %via months past, to discover a mode of redress for the period of the imprisonment remained unexpiredhs o unfortunate sufferers at Manchester; the Courts of ATTORNEY-GENERAL was ticable to an s w er . Law were not open to them; and the House of Corn- SHERIFF OF CHESHIRE. MOWS, which alone had the power to redress, turned Mr. CREEVE Y moved that the Petition of the% a deLif ear to them.- . . ' • - : ' . -... .• of February, from the Freeholders of the Conley nr Lord CASTLEREAGH-thought an'apolOgy due Chester, should be read.—(Th e Petition accoraittgly -• was read, which has been already before t h e P u bl e 4 Ad.tlei•Honse,. for detaining , theni tointsWer the speech He then proceeded to state, that another Add rere, h. ;of the . g . allatit General whe;hadjest sat down ; but he felt. it ft:ght: to say,: tint .the speech of the 'gal- sides the first, had been moved by Lord Groom, lane.ceperis, w i t i jete no d c d za th e t to •irritate an d i n . and seconded. But - the Sheriff took on hamar sis flame the, -feelings- of • the - peiiple out of doors, than to convince the Hpuse. The' 'Honourable 'Gentle n had • chi Mid the Governatent Vith screening Murderers f.rdm . tile Jaw.. * .Is - I, eris well for the, determine that the amendme t could not b e p ut; a d of himself, without a division, affi rm ed th at deo ma Sinai Address had been carried. II t h at was t h eme , then, a numerous body had been deprived efike t ountty oh n i . . t h e ii ennurn m e :g ent le man h a d n o right of petitioning. An Act of Pat 'lament, of 111 ttenfdns. foe hid avertion-,-ft was IiOY in the power Ot . mint to iheltet offenders from the lasv'ifi.i .. "GOD forbid iiii:rittempt shoulditier be. siiadef . I W . respect,ta . the transactions . at Nimbi:leerhid asserted in the strongest manner the rightufp, *lotting, and a Petition havin teen presented, NO With- plaiiiing of Sir George Jeffrey's having violated cis , n ine t h e - right to petition, the complaint was referred to s conduct Of Government towards tliose•Who took a Committee. The Committee decided that the coos Share in' it, he should never regreithe line - of conduct- `Plai nt - s well founded. The House concu rr ed w ith he had adopted. ' He-thought th ose honeurablensee - the 'Committee, and an A ddre,s was can ito the ' had stood forward to opperse the vieWs'of those whose Throne for the removal of Sir Geo.ge•Jeffrey. -He intentions had been to overturn 'all the eitablishnients should move to refer the Petition to a Committee, to of the country. The Magisirates Of Manchester hhd ascertain the facts ; and shduld the Committee 6ad received the thanks of: the - Government; their con- them to be true, he should on a future day bring the duct had been approved by the House and by the coilduct of the Sheriff before the Hott.e. The subject People, althongh they had not been So fortunate as was at present of peculiar importance, 1 .roni the ddi. to obtain tl:e approval of the gallant General ; and culty of procuring a fair expression of public opi ice, . he must be allowed to say, if the gallant General as the Sheriffs were averse to call Public Meetings really believid the assertions he had made, of per- When a Meeting was called, it was sou much for de sons being murdered, it was his duty to exert him- Sheriff to make himself the sole organ of the .‘leeting. self to bring the murderers to justice; and such would It was not enough for the Clergy to describe thew have been his conduct, had he not preferred making selves as the only loyal part of the community, be a speech to inflame public feeling, rather than to they must also abuse all who differed frtm tl.es; exert himself to obtain justice for individuals. -and at the Chester Meeting, such men as Lurd Gros- Sir It. WILSON never made assertions which he venor and Lord Crewe could not be. heard. lte was not ready to prove. lie charged individuals Honourable Member then read an Addlesc tram the at Manchester with murder ; and he was ready to Diocese of Chester, and from the Wellington Club; prove it--(Hear ' hear). and contended, that they arrogated to themselves Lord CASTLEREAGH said, the 11 General exclusive loyalty. Withrespect to the Borough d ra ant ~.. . . tbunal: might proceed before the ordinary Trii ' Sir M. RIDLEY did not approve of the language of the Petition ; but, as it had been received, he thought it should be printed. Mr. B. WILBRAHAM and Mr. Ulm-lunar were against the Petition being printed. Mr. PHILLIPS condemned the proceedings at Manchester, and supported the printing the Petition. Mr. S. WORTLEY could not sit silent and hear individuals charged with murder. If• the gallant General believed the charge he made, why did he not prefer his Bill before the Grand Jury, and do this Assizes after Assizes, till the Bill was found ? The question of murder was not one which could be tried in that House. GOD forbid it ever should. Ile called on the gallant General to bring forward his proof in a Court of Justice, If he had any such proof , and not bring them forward in a place where they could not be answered. Sir It. WILSON said, the Inquest at Oldham fur nished proof. That Inquest was broken up for irre gularity ; but a majority of the persons had declared, they would have found a verdict of Wilful Murder. Mr. BROUGHAM submitted to the House, that this Petition contained no reflections on the House which should operate to prevent jts being printed,. AU the reflections were on Ministers ; and the Noble Lord had candidly declared, he knew no limits be wished should be set to such comments. With respect to the Manchester businesi, he regretted exceedingly that the Grand Jury had thrown out the Bills pre. ferred before them. If the Bill had been sear to sr Petty Jury, a decision would. have taken place one way or other. Mr. LUSHINGTON opposed the Petition being printed, on the ground of its containing matter die. respectful towards the House. - • Mr. WYNN repeated his objections against the Petition being printed. Mr. MANSFIELD objected to its being - printed% ' Mr. DENMAN wished to set himself riglit ; he had not objected to the language of the Petiuon ; on thi contrary, he had said he saw nothing in its language disrespectful to the House. He then commented ms the language of the Petition, and observed, it was ne. torious that the people had been fanned into seditka by spies and informers—(Hear, hear):—With respect to the Manchester business, he was surprised Mtnie: Harwich, that Corporation also addressed the Crows But Harwich was exclusively a Treasury Borough. Should the two New Zealand Chiefs, lately is the country, have been sent down from the Tinsley, they would have been sure of their election. Redo commented on the Address, and said that all he asked for was, that the Freeholders of Chester should hew the same means of addressing the Crown as ale worthy, loyal, and rotten Borough of Harwich. Of the Sheriff of Cheshire he knew nothing, but if Illtv statement in the. Petition was true, he had does* tremely wrong. He concluded by moving, the* Petition be referred to a Select Committee, to invite and report to the House. Mr. DAVENPORT stated that the Sheriff watt man of independent character and fortune ; and had,. he done wrong, it must have proceeded from *dr ror of judgment. The Sheriff belonged to a 0.21 1 of Yeomanry, but that wa s no p r oof of his bele party man, as the Corps was composed equalller Whigs and Tories: Before the House acceded to the motion, they should pause and recollect that was no light matter fora Sheriff to have his code's attacked. The situation was one of much difficult! , and due allowance should be made for it. Mr. EGERTON (the other County Menthet) re el ' a letter from the Sheriff in explanation cf his con' • duct, stating- that his motives had been mittge, t ; sensed. He had not refu se d t o p u t the amended o .°' dress, though he would have been warranted in se doing. The original Address Wad been cirried by 11 ' great majority,: and from the confusion that r e ', vailed, a division wa s imp oss ibl e . The restorst."_, of the Queen's name to the Liturgy formed ne Peg of the Requisition ; for had that been the case, fog more Freeholders would have attended. The letter of the Sheriff concluded by stating that he ceived the most flattering testimonies of the aPPiw— tion of the Freeholders. 'The Honourable Member also confirmed this statement from his own know. ledge, and read a letter from the Under-Sheriff, th et . the omission of the word inhabitants was to be or puted to him, and that he had framed the summ on. in.the usual form. Mr. GIPPS hoped, that unless some more sir : charge-was brought against the Sheriff, no Tre e ins would be necessary. - Dlr: PHILLIPS stated 'that the MO was Isibir