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EAST INDIA INTELLIGENCE. BONSAY.—Letters from the Northward state, that . five Dutch vessels had beer. taken off Curache, in Siud. by a fleet of Joasmee pirates ; .ta o only had , cargoes :—three were sunk, one carried off, and one allowed to depart. Part of the crews preserved their lives from bein 4 taken by jumping overboard ; those that did not do so were killed. _ _ From the Bombay Cowin. t.. 44 In the voyage of the Hannah, Captamll4 , Quiker, from London and Madeira f Boinbay, Monday, 2lit of March, 1814, lat. 89. 4.5. S. noon, long. 20. 41.51. E. by S. this gallant merchant vessel has performed as singular an exploit as e remember to have had the satisfaction of recording. She beat off, and was only prevented by the superior sailing of her antagonist, from taking an American sloop of war, of 22 guns, full of men, and completely equipped for the predatory system of warfare. When it is considered that a vessel of 450 tons, with a small complement of men, and ill-adapted in every respect for warlike contest, engaged in a most determined manner fot four or five hours, a sloop of war of such a description, and succeeded in the contest, it is impossible to abstain from admiration." Cacctrrra.—The Ukbars announce the return of the Dewan Mehukhim Chund to Lahore. No actual compromise appears, hOwever,to have been concluded with Futteh Khan. Sooj3a-ul-Moolk, the Ex-King of Cabul,.bad like wise arrived at the same capital, on his route from Rawelpindo ; he had been attacked by 200 horse • men, who robbed him of his jewels. . The pecuniary distresses of Holkar's Court appear to have received nn essential relief ; a party of his own horse, it is said, had even attempted to force their way into the Rajah's tent, but had been pre vented from entering by the constancy of the Chaud- Fultan and another corps of infantry. AbIEER KHAN had taken leave of the Bhae, and set out from Bhanpiorah, being called away by some commotion among his own followers. A body of Pendarrees, consisting of about 10,000 horse, and two regiments of infantry,' with 11 guns, had entered Holkar's territory, and were plundering the country in the neighbourhood of Andoor. Re monstrances against this incursion had been trans mitted by the Bhae to Scindea, in whose service or alliance those Pendarrees were supposed to be. From Tirhoot reports were flattering throughout the district : the first crop of indigo was shooting up with a luxuriance, of which for.many years there had been no example. PARLL4MENT.fRr PROCEEDINGS. HOUSE OF LORDS, NOV. 29. Mr. BROODEN ►rought up from thrComnsont the False Mea sures Bill, which was thereafter read a first and second time. Mr. Cares'. Irom the Secretary of State't Office, presented a Report from Admiral Graham of the Number of Convict* u present in the lidvers Thames and Medway. . The Ncotral'hips Bill, the Promissory Note Bill, the East incite Goods Bill, the Irish Glass Duty zhn, and the Irish "f b•:r Bill, were read a third time and pasa:d. IRISH PEACE PRE , ERVAT4ON BILL. lord LIVERPOOL moved the third reading of the Irish reice Fr& servation 'll7e Earl of DONOUGHMORE thought Magistrates and Constables, acquainted is ith the Country, would be much more effectual in tinivs of disturbance, than disbanded soldiers, and etpernumtraries of the Po'ice of Dublin. He continued to the measure altogether inefficient. He was sorry to d ffer from setae great authorities with whom he generally agreed, 'who had stated that this Bill had been productive of beneficial S:ccts.—l lowevt r, that authority was less valuable, in his opi ithln, in the tit eie•tt case, than in most others, as be knew it was not suppoe:ei by competent intormation. He had no ob jectinn to the alit:adorn now proposed; bat he was firmly con vinced that the alit could never be converted into a machine pro yiy to quiet ally part of Ireland, which might happen to be in a d,,terlled state. 'llse Earl of LIVERPOOL, said, that although several per rims 1-. ad objected to the Insurrection Act, the present Bill had almost met with general appr,•bation. However necessary it might be to put the Insurrection Act in force, it was still, pre faqi, a suvensiim of the Constitutlon of the country ; but the ;.r• sett measure left the laws it. full force. It was an addi; or,l st:inulus to Magistrates to do their duty, as the expense %Lich it would cause to the dieurbed tlis rive, would induce them to exert themselves strenuously for the maintenance of tranquill . ty. If. this Bin %.111 Ciblld ill its principle, it was not enough, even admitting this to be the fact, to say that it had not been productive of any beneficial effects, to induce Parlia ment to repeal it; for Parliament ought to have a more sufficient experience of the measure, before it could •be repealed. Theie was a sufficient guard against abuse in the expense which was necessarily entailed on the districts when the measure was called Into operation. the Earl of DONOUGHMORE in explanation said, be had not cr.atendied that the Bill ought to be repealed; he had merely contradicted the statement that it had been attended with bent hc;ll ;of:sequences. A be B:It was then read a third thne.—Adjourned. HOUSE OF COMMONS. Lord G. 13sacsros D, horn .the PRINCE RCCENT, informed ti,o House, that hts Royal Highness had given the necessary orders, in compliance with the Addresses of the House, of the C2cl and 23d instant. After a few swords from Mr. LUSHINGTON NIr.PoNSONST, Sir.). sw rotti, and Mr. FIT ZG e ItALD, Mr:Bankes's Accounts .Audit Is:1I was read a first time; to be read a second time on ll a ursday, and to be printed. A Mes,age Irons the Lords informed the House that the Peers had agreed to several Lords). OnVEIiNOR OF GIBRALTAR. The CHANCELLOR of the FXCHLQ U ER presented to the Huu:e, by order of the Brlnce Regent an extract of the Let ter. 4 I.W Bathurst to General Smith, and an Extract from the Answer of General Smith, which the House lad requested to be laid before them. MONTAGU AND PELHAM PACKETS. Lord NUGENT ol,.erved, that the Papers which be had moved for to the last Session, relative to the above Packets, and which were accordingly laid before the House, had, on the last day of the Session, and without any notice or communication on the sulject, been ordered to be returned to the General Post- Office, on the ground that their disclosure would be prejudicial to the public service; and extracts from the same were ordered to Le laid before the House. His Lordship said, that bad he re ceived any intimation of the proceeding which was to be adopt-' ed, he shoilid have stated his reasons for objecting to it, which, from their being no question beiore the House, he was at pre sent precludid from doing. He b-gged to ask, what was the na•ure of the danger apprehended to the . public service from the Pa l m's which bad been produced; aa.e. wilt', the extracts which baS been ordered were to be forthcoming LUSHINGTON said, that lithe Noble Lord would, after Recess, renew his motion, be bad reason to think that the re T roduction of the Papers would not be objected to. BLEACHING VQWDER ACT. Mr: PONSONBY rose, in pursuance of the notice he had given, to propose the repeatof an Act, which had passed in the last Session ,' to impose a • countervailing dirty on the importation, of Bleaching toovicier front Ireland to England. This Act, which Wtiq tbrou4ix the House at the end of the last Sea. Clot,. contained a clause prohibiting the importation of Jvipik.Oiv,aching Powder, in direct violation w the spirit and letter of the Act of Union. Represents. tions had been made against this Act by the Irish manufacturers, Who had suffered great hardship by it. He did net deny that some countervailing duty would be proper, but as the scales of duty were inor. dinate, and the clause which he had mentioned of a nature to contaminate any Act in which it was in serted, he supposed there could be no objection to the repeal ; but if the Gentlemen opposite desired the introduction of any clauses into the Act, he wish. ed they would state them. The Right Hon. Gen tleman then moved for leave to bring in a Dill to re peal the Acts for imposing a countervailing duty of excise on the importation of Bleaching Powder into Great Brit4in from Ireland. Mr. LUSHINGTON stated, that it would be more proper to move for leave rather to amend than to repeal the Act, for though he acknowledged that the clause of prohibition which inadvertently and in the hurry of business had been inserted was improper, yet that some countervailing duty should be impos ed, since the salt was in Ireland obtained duty free, and in England a duty of 15s. and in Scotland a duty of ss. a bushel was paid. It had been stated, previously to the passing of the Act, that the manu facturers in England and Scotland were exposed to ruin if some duty on the importation of the bleaching materials from Ireland were not imposed. There were so many differences of opinion on the subject of the quantity of salt which were necessary to product a given quantity of Bleaching Powder—some persons affirming that 100 bushels of salt would only produce 100Ibs. of Bleaching Powder, and others that it would produce 20001bs.—that the proper course I, would be to appoint a Committee to examine into and report on the Act. He therefore moved, as an amendment, that a Committee should be appointed to enquire into the laws relative to the manufacture and trade in oxymuriatic acid and oxymuriat of lime, aed to report thereon to the House. Sir JOHN NEWPORT said, that the proper course for the HoUse to pursue was to wipe from the Statute Book a law which was a violation of the Act .of UoiGn. What should be afterwards done, was subject for ulterior consideration; but it was the only way to secure amity existing between the two coun tries, to shew that there was no disposition in the House to tamper with the law which had given them a common legislature securing the rights of each.—: As to the regul ttions to be hereafter a:+opted, it seemed to him that in a manufacture where there was such uncertainty as to the quantity of materiah necessary, all drawbacks should be abolished, or the revenue would suffer by it. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER suggested, that the motion for a Committ e e should be wandrawn, and the original motion amended to &- motion for a repeal of so much of the Act as prohi bited tie impartation from :-cotland to England of Irish Bleaching Powder. Perhaps eventually the I best remedy would be to abolish all drawbacks;— but this was a measure which required smne con- The suggestion of the CIIANCELLnIt of the Excur- QUER Nr.ti adopts!, and leave was given to bring iu a Bill to repeal so much of the Act as prohibited the importation from • Scotland to Eni;land of Irish Bleaching Powder. Illimmom MR. G. ROSE. - The Right Hon. GEORGE ROSE rose in conse quence of an allusion which had been made to a sum of 100 guineas, which had been voted the night belore as Clerk of the Parliaments. He observed that the Honourable Gentleman (Mr. Whitbread) who had. mentioned it was undoubtedly justified in mentioning the subject at the time when it occurred to him, though he (Mr. Rose) was not then in the House, but, as he was therefore called on to explain the vote, he should, with the permission of the House, state the circumstances under which that allowance vas made. There were maey allowances which had been made to the Clerk of the Parliaments, trona time immemo ri.:l, among which was one of twenty five copies of all acts of Parliament, which had always been turned by theta to their profit. To skew that he had not been over-anxious to make the most of his office, he state that there was also a large allowance to the office wnich he held, for stationary, under which some articles not generally known by that name, were included, such as Scotch coals, wax candles, and satin bags, Fcx these articles his pre decessor had received £3BO. For this he (Mr. Rose) had never received one farthing in money, merely taking a moderate allowance of paper and pens, al though the Speaker of that House, and many other public officers received allowancesia commutation for stationary. As to the item in question, it appeare d, by a minute of the Treasury, that the value o f the twenty-five copies of the Acts of Parliament, given to the Clerks of Parliament, was £132 a-year, and that for this perquisite he had received, as an equiva lent, 50 guineas a year. The sum of 100 guineas was the amount of the allowance for two years. As it was important to the public to know how to appre ciate the character of its servants, lie should trouble the House by stating how he had acted in the office of Secretary of the Treasury. When he had first re ceived that office be found that the emoluments con , sisted in fees and perquisites, and finding himself uneasy in such a situation, he desired a fixed salary. The average emoluments in five years of peace had been £3440, and in • five years of war resloo, for this he accepted £3OOO a year only; aad when, at a sub. sequent time, that allowance was thought inadequate and increased to £4OOO a year, he had refused to take advantage of the good will of the Lords of the Treasury on th it occasion. [Mr. Rose reed the mi nute of the Treasury stating this fact.] lie had said thus much to clear himself not only from blame, but from the imputation of having done any thing mean and shabby. When twenty years ago he had been accused of being concerned in speculations he had cleared himself in the like satisfactory manner. Mr. WHITBREAD lamented that the Right Ho. nourable Gentleman had not been in his place last night, to make the defence at which he had to night laboured so hard. His name had never appeared in the papers before, and it was not extraordinary that he (Mr. Whitbread) should remark upon it; nor was it singular, coasidering the peculations and tricks that were proved to have been practised formerly in the office of the Right Hon. Gentleman, such a; including supplies of Scotch coals, wax candles, and satin bags, under the head of stationary, that it should not be 4enerally known that so wonder fq . l an alteratiou ykea place dating the Bra • ' of purity of the Right Hon. Gentleman. Tf he (Mr. Wl:thread) were called upon to state what he really t l hougl t upon the subject, he must say that he w:is very sorry thak, the 50 guineas had stuck in Mr. ?low's throat, and that he should have got rid of the o'Jstruction in the way the House had witnes- RO 6 SE said that the Honourable Member was the tint person that had ever made an objection to the, sum given as an equivalent for Acts of Parliament — it was enough for him (Mr. Rose) to hear any man breathing objection to it, to iisduce him to assert that he never would again touch a shilling of it—(Hear, and I..vhter.) FREEHOLD ESTATES BILL. Sir SAMUEL ROMILLY gave notice that he should to-morrow move for leave to bring in a Bill for making the Freehold and other Estates of persons dying Bankrupt, Assets for the benefit of their Creditors. ORANGE SOCIETIES. Sir JOHN NEWPORT rose for the purpose of moving for papers upon the subject of Orange As sociations still existing in Ireland. He had hoped that the strong sense of disapprobation expressed by Parliament in 1813, would have rendered any further notice unnecessary, but being disappointed, and knowing how destructive these illegal corpora tions were to the tranquillity of his native country, he had thought it his duty to submit to Parliament a distinct proposition upon the subject. It was full time that the people of Ireland should know that these Associations were illegal, and punishable by the Statutes of the land; while, however, the Chief Secretary of the Lord Lieutenant gave them his countenance, approbation, and protection, it was not to be supposed that their numbers would be dimi. nished, or their proceedings made the subject of legal invcsqation. He quoted the opinions of Lord Castle. reagh and Mr. Canning, delivered during the hit Session, in which they had expressed themselves in , terms of strong reprobation of these Associaticns. How coal their sentiments, however, have any weight in Ireland, while the Irish Government re ceived Addresses from these leaders and from Grand Roles, claiming protection, to which answers sten, returned applauding their principles and proceedings ? Whatever might be any man's iniividual opinion 'upon the question, it was his duty, when in a public capacity, to be guided by 'die judgment of the Legis lature. The Grand Jury who had presented the Ad dress were termed loyal mel—but if loyal meant, as the Honourable Baronet contended it did, obedience to the laws, the word was misapplied, for they had neglected dieir duty in not complying with the Sta tute, which related to the appointment of Chaplains ta Catholic Prisoners in Ireland. A had been a mat ter of frequent contest between them and the Judges Of Assize. He concluded by moving, "That there be laid before the House copies of all Addresses of Societies or bodies of men, calling them-elves Orange Associations, in Ireland, to thelrish Government, with eopi.es of such answers as had been returned thereto " Mr. PEEL rose for the purpose of seconding the motion of the Honourable Baronet, br he wish el the subject to be fully investigated, although he believed that the dociments were not of such a nature as the House usually required. It was difficult to divine the object of the speech of the Right Honourable BA ronet, unless, as he had once informed th.! House that he was an Irish descendant cf one of King Wil liam's D u tch Guards, he wished to prove that he was no Orangeman—(Hear, hear!) Mr. Peel re grated that the Right Honourable 13 iromet had not stated any grou„ds for his motion, nor the charges which he had personally brought against him es Chief Secretary for Ireland. On what documents did he ground the assertion, that he (Mr. Peel) had ap plauded and encouraged the proceedings of Orange Societies ? Where were these Addresses from Orange men, and the answers approving the plan on which they proceeded ? He would state to the House the only authorities -for the exaggerated statement of the Right Honourable Baronet. On the presenting of some Petitions regarding Orange Societies in the last Session by Sir Henry Parnell, he (Mr. Peel) had made some remarks upon the subject, which had met with the approbation of different classes, and among others, of the Grand Jury for the county of Peyote nagh, who had sent him an Address thanking him for his exertions: he had replied, expressing his high sense of the opinion they had given, and t! discou raging all associations of a political nature not under the controul of Government." Were then the asser tions of the Right Honourable Baronet correct ? (Hear, (rear!) He had never received any other ad dresses or representations, directly or indirectly, ex cepting from the City of Dublin, thanking bun for his able defence of the loyal inhabitants of Ireland against the slanders of defeated ambition." Of what he had said upon this subject last Session, he would nut retract a syllable, since his opinions had I received additional confirmation. The Right Hen. Barianet was wholly misinformed upon the subject of the objections of the Titular Bishop to the Chaplain nominated for the prison by the Grand Jury of the county of Form inagh. Under these circumstances, al:lir ugh he should second the motion, he wished that the Right Honourable Baronet, on future occasions, would bring forward his motions with more conside ration of the grounds which were necessary to sup port it. Mr. CROKER submitted that, as the Papers re quired were oily private documents, the House would not require them. He therefore moved the -previous question. Mr. F I ZGEIt A LD thought that the Papers ought to be produced, .although no Parliamentary ground had been laid, for the consideration of the. ciiarachr of his Right Hon. Friend (Mr. Peel). Mr. CROKER explained, that the addresses were only transmitted to Mr. Peel, as a Member of Padia mer.t, and not as a public officer. Mr. POLE supported the Motion of Sir John Newport. Mr. BANKES thought the documents, if they existed, ought to be laid upon the table. Sir JOHN NEWPORT said, all he could assert was, that he had seen the Address to which he had alluded in print. He did not answer for its authen ticity ; but he had thought it his duty to mention it to the House, that they might pronounce upon the legality or illegality of such Associations. Mr. PEEL allowed that great abuses had prevail ed. As he understood that the Honourable Member's motion was founded on a paragraph in the newspa pen, which he also understood had been misstated, he was anxious that the Honourable Baronet should carry his motion... If an address- had been, on any occasion, madelaiM, and he had not returned any answer to it, he hoped that would not appear incoa. sistent with the declaration he had made. The motion was then put and agreed to. 1111tRAD. Mr. Alder Man C. SMITH moved for leave to bring in a MI to repeal the Acts relating to Bread sold in the City of London, and within twelve miles thereof, and to prevent the adulteration of Bread made of flour, within the same bounds. Mr. BARING .had never heard of a Bill being introduced for altering a law on so important and generlly interesting a subject as the present, without some reason for the alteration being assigned. Mr. Alderman SMITH said it frequerdy hi s ,. pened, that bread sold by chandlers within the Ci 7 • f London, but which had been baked in thi'coucriy, was found to be deficient in weight ; but when the Magistrates came to look into the case, they found that they hid not sufficient power to prais4 trans! , resiors. This was one strong reason for introduction of the present Bill. All he wished was, that the Bill should be printed, and that the considc. ration of it should postponed till after the uct.ss. Leave given. ACCoUNTS. Mr. BANKES moved, that there be lad before the House an account of the number of Accounts auclited z up to June, 1814.; also a List of the Ac- counts lodged since that time, :or the pulp: se t,t being audite& Tile CHANCELLOR of the LXCHEQUEP. moved that these words be added, " Specifying wht.. ther such Accounts are complete and accompanied by voucher; or incomplete and unaccompanied by vcurLers." The motion, as amended, was agreed to ; as were also s;milar motions as to the number of West India ,Accounts audited and unaudited a summary state. meat of the proceedings. of.tbe Commissioners Ire auditing the Barrack Accounts since the 10th day of . June, 1811, stating.what Accounts had been ladvd . with them since that time, and when they were likely. to be completed. A similar statement as to the pro. gress made by Mr. Saunders in examining the Ac.' counts of the late Mr. Wyatt. with the number of those A ccouots remaining to he examined. A similar statement as to Regimental Accounts, for the purpose cf ascertaining if they were accumulating. A similar statement as to Militia Accounts. A Regimental Account for ten ye:►rs, from 1791 to 1804: and a summary of the Commissioners' Accounts, stating whether they were complete or incomplete, and if they were with or without vouchers. Mr. BARING gave notice that he should, on a very early day after the recess, move to refer the va rious s►ims on this subject, voted by the House, to C..mmittee up stairs, that they might mike a sum mary statement thereof to the House, specifying to wha: period any of said accounts had been investi: gated, and the number and dates of the Reports. R?ccipts, and Expenditures of the West India Cam- On the motion of Sir JOHN Naw - eortT, there was ordered to be laid before the House a copy of the List of Fees in the Court of Chancery in Ireland, since the year 1740. Mr. BROGDEt brought up the Report of the Conwni t tee of Supply of yesterday, wffich was agreed to. Mr.PONSONBY, while he disclaimed every idea of any disposition to throw obstacles in the way of Mi nisters, or to retard the public business, which he knew he had it in his power effectually to do at the present moment, (there being nothing like forty Mem bers in the House) begged to suggest to the Chan cellor of the Exchequer that it would be a great ac. commodation to the House, if he would postpone the Adjournment from Thursday to Friday. He hoped the Right Hon. Gentleman would have no objection so far to accommodate the House, considering that a motion of an Honourable Member already stood for discussion on Thursday. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER conceived that there was nothing to hinder him from moving to-morrow that the House should, at its rising on Thursday, adjourn to the day he had mentioned. Mr. BANKES conceived that the motion alluded to by the Right Hon. Gentleman (Mr. Ponsonby) could not lead to any lengthened discussion. It was merely for papers for future consideration. Mr. CROKER thought there could hardly be any objection coproduce the Papers, if they were previously pointed out. Mr. HORNER was happy to hear that there was so great a disposition to produce the Papers he in tended to move for, and trusted he should see the same disposition to accommodate him in the Colonial Secretary, as he Was happy to observe in the Admi. ralty. He hoped, however, that the motion of Ad journment, if to be made on Thursday, should be postponed till his motion. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said, he should press his motion of Adjournment, at whatever hour $ but he had no objection to bring it forward to-morrow. The SPEAKER said, to accelerate a notice was out of the practice of that House. Mr. W. POLE was convinced there would be no necessity for debating the question for production of a the Papers, provided a list of them was produced. Mr. HORNER said, if the Right Hon. Gentle man acted for all the Departments, he would have known that he (Mr. Horner) had already submitted to the Gentlemen on the other side a list of all the Papers he meant to move for. Mr. WHITBREAD contrived, that in a celo brated case, namely, a debate on the Orders in Council, in the year 1811, a notice had been accelerated. Here the matter dropt. The Report was then read, and the several Reso lutions agreed to. Lord Walsingham's Annuity Bill, and the Iri•ti Glass Act Bill, were severally committed, and the Reports on each ordered to be received to.morrow. Mr. Alderman Salmi brought in the Bread Assies Bill, which was read a first time and ordered to be read a second time to-morrow. Mr. LOCKIIA al. gave notice that he should to-morrow move for leave to bring in a Bill to regulate the right of voting in Boroughs, Cities, and Towns Corporate. better IDLE obtained terpaving,ligh leave tobring in a Bill shTowal for ti:c in the tha Parish of St. Pancraso—Adjourned. S