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power of the Constitution ; and in what did that elastic I power of the Const:tution nisi. but in those boroughs which were now to be condemned ? That mewed to mini-tees the emus of 'teats, and thus the liberties of the people were ef &chattily secured against the shocks of popular commotion and party fury. Let this fatal bill be got rid of, then they I might remedy the evils that existed ; and to correct those evils deliberately—not with a einelo blow—he should be as ready as any man en moist. This bill lie trusted their Lordships would reject. and he contended that it was not not of their province to reject it. On the contrary, he thought it was their neeuliar province to r jeet this bill. Ile dill not wish their Innirhips to have ',meet permanently to r.?•ist t 4 feelings of the p•onle—(hear, hear); —hest its re jecting this hill, he did not believe that they would be re :Awing • , :e feelings and interests of the people. (Hear. hear.) The •ertlted from extrrordlnary excitement; he was eesis •os that it should eulAtis ; he .wished, in fact. to ap peal `• frem Philp drunk to Philip sober." He did not wish ell to he risked in the fate of one I:ill ; and considering that all was risked by this bill he should vote for its rejec tion. To agree to this bill would he to sanction a most dan. germs extension of the constituency : to admit the 3.. householders would he to give power, he feared. not to the frame•make•s, but to the f ra me.l.reakers. He then Hai culed the idea of this hr:ng a final measure ; the contrary was proved by the alriresses of Mr. W. Cobbett and Mr. : 4 1 neauley. to Manchester and Leeds ; and he concluded with str , :eglecalline on their lordship; to reject this bill. Lord PI UNK F.TT then rose, hut was for some time very impetftctly h.ard be ow the Bar. He ob 1, that in all that had been stated by noble lords opposite, not one r.• .::ark occurred as to the principle of the bill. There was :he observation over and over again reiterated that what was pripo•ed was a new Constitution ; but still the observation was left by each succeeding speaker where it was found, and suffered to rt•t merely and purely on assertion. It had also Oren said, that the grievances adduced in justification of the bill wem chimeras all ;" that the bill attacked what •• worked ;" and that by the measure they were cn-! lingering, net amending or restating, the Constitution. To every one of these assettions he gave the, lanst distinct denial. It was said the bill was built on thtnry, and that it was at direct variance whb all the peticiplcs of the Constitution 3 but be it remem., betetl, that those who complained of injustice being done by this Bill, were themselves usurpers : — ( Hear.) lost admitted that some reform was requisite, and yet they were for rejecting this remedial measure—a measure that was to prevent a danger not remote, but imme diate. He had viewed its progress with deep and anxious alarm, seeing how it was resisted ; he deplored the rancour tlett was at first evinced towards it ; and he rejoiced that such feelings had in some degree abated. However, as to the character and consequences of the bill, he repea'ed that the charges rested on assertions, and assertions without prom's. But his denial of such allegations would have no further effect than the pertinacious repetition of the asser tions, except he sustained his denial with proofs. He was saved from some labour by the abandonment of part of the com.:Lints. fcr there was no longer any talk about corpo. ration robbery : aril, with one exception, all the Noble Lords admit.ed the necessity of some reform. That one exception avowed himself tit , uncompromising foe of all reform Lord MANSFIRLD made some remark, but what it was we could not collect below the bar. Lord PLUNKET r said he did not +lab to misrepresent any noble Lord, hut the noble Rarl in question undoubtedly had adopted a somewhat whimsical mode of' opposing re form, in declaring. in his fanciful flight, that the measure would lead to the upsetting of the King and the State, but that it would fix the ministers in their places; also that it would occasion war with Portugal, but nut with France; that it would lead to the destruction of primogeniture, and to the cut ing up of all property by the toots ; and, in fee:, that it would le ol to the repetition of all the follies of the French Revolts:ion. lie would not follow these remarks through all feel, extravagant excesses ; but he would sup port the bill on its own grounds and merits. He repeated that with ene exception all the noble Lords who had spoken admitted the tv•ceesity of some parliamentary reform. Lord FA 1.310 U I'll rose and made some remark, but four the noise occasioned by there interruptions we could rct collect what it was. . Lotsl PLUNKF.TT observed, that the one exception was not only against this measure, but against all reform. But even those who admitted the necessity of some reform drew most unhappy auguries as to the tendencies of this bill. A noble earl, who was much relied on by noble lords opposite, had admitted that it was right some reform should be Intro dined ; he was for enfranchising some of the great towns, and for increasing the members for particular counties • and he regretted that some measure to admit so much reform had not been introduced, instead of this bill. (Hear, hear.) The extent of the present bill, however, was made the ground for resisting it. But he thought the way in which the bill had been brought before the house ought to have secured for it a more courteous attention than had been extended to it. There never were persons who had less sought to obtrude themselves into power, and on the country, than had the present ministers. Never were there persons who bad manifested less desire for office. They had evinced the most complete self-devotion. They stood by the noble duke anti sustained his administration (Hear); their self. devotion had never been surpassed. The noble duke cer tainly was entititled to his gratitude for the manner in which he brought forward and carried the Catholic bill ; and his grace was supported till the period of his retirement—a re tirement that resulted flow an unwillingness to concede the question of reform. The Duke of WRLLINGTON exclaimed in a loud and distinct tune. .• No ! an exclamation that was so loudly and peculiarly cheered by the Marquis of Londonderry, as to eutll forth much amazement, and more merriment, Lord PLUNKE said he had certainly considered that the cause of the noble duke's retirement was the question of reform. The Doke of WELLINGTON rose to explain. He said. having found by a previous vote that he had lost the confidence of the House of Commons, he did not wish to agitate the country and excite the House by entering upon a fresh qiiestion ; and on that account be had made up his mind to retire front his Majesty's service. Lord PLL'NKETT resumel and said that he had at the time ureerstooel by the words then uttered by the Noble Duke. that it was because he was not prepared to meet the question of Reform that the Noble Duke had tendered his reaienatior. The Duke of W FLLINOTON said, that he certainly had not intended to resign until after that decision of the House of Commons, and he had fixed a day—the Tues. day following, but he had considered it most prudent to' conceal that fact to avoid the consequent confusion which it might have occasioned ; and he did not choose to risk his government on a question of Reform, he not having the canlidence of the country. Lord PLUNKETT, after a few observations, purport. ing that the explanati..n of the noble duke had only confirmed Lis statement. proceeded to say, that he had particular rea son to remember the noble duke's words at the time, for he had taken them down, and the noble lord had said, that he not only was not prepared with any measure of Reform, but he could not take a part in any Ministry that had such a measure in contemplation. [At this part of the noble lord's speech there were a number of voices in interruption heard from the opposite side, and the most prominent, we understood, to be the Marquis of Londonderry, to whom, we believe, the noble lard commenced an expostulation on the subject of the frequent and disorderly interruptions to which be had been ael bjected. The LORD CHANCELLOR, in a hurried manner, and evidently wilt much warmth, left the Woolsack, and stood tip to address the !louse. He said, that be had often been reflected upon fer not interfering, and he was always unwil ling to do so; but there were cases occurred that he found himself' compelled to stand forward. Such interruptions were exceedingly troublesome. When a noble lord found himself misrepresented, he had his remedy by correcting it at the end of the speech, and that was the way to explain after the speech was concluded. There sere some cases where, to prevent discussion, slight interruptions might be allowed, but such interruptions must have their limits—(loud cheers) and those limits could not be expected to extend to bye wanders who had not been misrepresented. The conclusion of the noble lord's speech could nut be heard for the cheering and co:4obn that ensued. . The Duke of WELLINGTON admitted the propriety of the noble and learned lurd's observations, and said, lie would beg of the House to withhold their judgment until the proper time had arrived for his explanation. Lord PLUNKETT again resumed. He said the Noble Duke had not only acknowledged that he was not prepared .tie any measure of Refonn, but that no such measure bad cahted in his Majesty's Council or Cabinet, and that rather trim risk their aminlatratios oo so great a civil question, they had tendered their resignatios. Lard HARROWEY ewe agate to correct the statement et his Lordship, and said, he could not keep his ant under the elm:interns, notwithstanding what had been hid Ewa as the law of order by the Learned Lord. lord WHARNCLI FFE said, that it was the tastes in another House where allu.loos so particular were made, to refer to the papers of the House. Lord PLUNKETT mice move resumed, by repealing most minutely what be bad preeiouely stated, as the IMO of the Noble Duke% resignation ; and be coneludal that Ile inference could ally be, that the resignation of his lliwirAsy was imperative—(Hear)--they not being prepared whit asy measure to meet Parliamentary Reform in the Hasse of Commons ; and it was on that account that the present Ministry was formed. Such being the ease, was it fair to upbraid his Noble Friend, Earl Grey, for accepting office, when called upon by his Sovereign, when, be might say, be was deserted by his Ministers, or fur bringing for ward the measure which had formed part of the terms of his accepting office. But when it was said that the introduction of this bill had caused the hurricane, as it bad been designated, could they pay that to it was to be attribu ted the loss of piece to the noble duke, when. in fact, at that time the bill did not exist. The noble lord then went into a circumstantial detail of the dissolution that ensued, and of the King's having adopted the means to take the sense of his people not upon this bill, but upon the general question of , Reform, and they had testified their sentiments in the most decided manner on the measure. insomuch that every mem ber had been railed upon to pkdge himself; and they had ail been sent into the house as delegates of the people to support it; and he would ask their lordships if these elections bad' not been all conducted with the greatest observance of good order.— (Laughter and cbeerr.) [The noble lord was about to proceed, when he was again inter. rupted, and he shortly expostulated with a noble marquis opposite.] Herald that most of the attacks that had been made on this mew ure, had been founded on the basis of the assertion that the people of England were incapable of forming an opinion, but they had on that occasion shown that they were capable of expressing an opinion. ( (Aught*, and cheers.) The noble lord made a few severe remarks and animadversions on the adsninistration of the noble duke, and contended that considering the manner in which the measure hail been brouitht forward by the wiser house, that it was entitled to the moat serious attention of their lordships; and while they were exercising their proud and independent pri vilege, it was no mean consideration to bear in mind that they were sitting in judgment on the people England.— ( Hear.) He had he.ini in the course of the debate massy sarcasms thrown out, many well-polisbed epigrams vented; but he could not too seriously impress upon the minds of their lordship., that the people whose petitions had been sent op to that house were not to be called the petitions of the low rabble; be would say that they were the petitions of a great nation—of a people iletructed and intelligent, so as to entitle them to attention beyond any other nation that existed. The people of England had no such views of inti midation as to threa'en that they would destroy the institu tions of Church and State. The Noble Lord next alluded to the mode of reasoning that had been adopted by the noble lord (Wharncliffe), who had said that he would reject the bill because of its details, and not on account of its principle, and because of these details he would refuse its admission to • Committee. The noble duke (Welling. ton) was, at the time of his resignation, the greatest wan that the world had its eyes upon ; and if at that time he could not carry on the government, did the Noble Lord suppose that he had now so far recovered public confidence that he could compose a government that would eels' with. out the concession of reform. [His lordship seemed very much exhausted at this time, and spoke very low, but we understood him to implore in impressive terms their lordship. to pass the bill.] He did not mean to say that the acts of the people should intimidate their lordships, but be could not help acknowledging the conviction that be conceived the danger to be that they might place them in a situation in which the government could not go on, and then there could follow nothing hut anarchy and confusion. There could be no danger to that house from the measure, as it did not in the slightest degree attack the privileges of the house of Peers. The other house might adopt the measure with. out their concurrence, unless they meant to claim a share in the representation of the House of Commons; if such was their intention, to claim that share in the representation, they must of course stand firm. He would recall their attention to the wholesome moral sentiment, Do as you would be done by." If the Commons or the people were to attempt to interfere with their hereditary authorities, rights, and privileges, would they not think themselves unfairly treated? anti, by the same rule, that house, he considered, ought not to interfere with the privileges of the Commons. The noble lord went into a review of the nature and principles of the bill, which, he said, were in strict accordance with these rights. and that Constitution which the iilustriou House of Brunswick had been called over to protect.— He was not placed in the situation of an Eastern King, whose sway was absolute and despotic; but his Majesty had exercised his just prerogative of allowing the pe ople of Eng land to reform themselves. They had been told that the Government could not be carried on without nomination boroughs, which were to put 10001. a year, more or kw Into the pockets of their proprietors; but if such was to be the ease, he considered that it would at once be much better to give up the delusion, and let the King carry on his own oovernment without representation at all. But the people in this country had a right to ask to be fully and fairly re presented, and on that principle was the measure framed that ministers now sought to entertain. The rotten boroughs did not depend on the system of representation, but on what they did not represent; and by pressing the pro visions of the bill they were only returning to the old institutions of the country. It was impossible to tell what authority that system of nomination had come from. It was not to be found in any books, and if it had any legal data, they had been so ashamed of them as not to put them on record. The noble and learned Iced proceeded to say, that lie did not hesitate to say that he saw the elements of danger around him, but be bad the greatest confidence in the good settee of the people of the country. It had been said that the constitution weeks well; in one sense that was perfecctly true; the law of the country was well administered ; our jurors were honest, the mi nisters of oar religion were pious and learned, and the S. names of the country were managed with cars ;—(bear,).— , but it was folly to say because the instituting of the country were good, that its representation was not bad.— Tnis working.wcil system was founded in a deep and rse dial error. Alluding to the debased state of the Scotch representation the noble and learned lord said, that the peo ple of that country were in a state of phrensy and Wry respecting it. The noble and learned lord concluded amidst loud cheering. Earl GREY then rose and said, it was quite evident the debate could not be finished that night ; noble lords might bare another day. He should, therefore, move, that the debate be adjourned till to-morrow (this day). Lord W YNFORD rose amidst loud cries of "adjourn'' and " goon." The noble and learned lord having obtained a hearing, said, if it were convenient for the noble earl oppo si e to proceed with the debate, be had no objection to suit his convenience by giving way to his wish. Earl GREY observed, that he asked nothing for his own personal convenience, but for that of the Here an indescribable scene of confusion took place. Noble Lords left their places and crowded around the table. In the midst of the turmoil the Lord Chancellor put the question of adjournment—but before it was carried the voices of Lord Eldon and the Duke of Cumberland were heard. In answer to the forma ' as was understood, Earl GREY said he had no objection whatever to meet at as early an hour on Saturday morning as the noble and learned Lord might wish. The question of Adjournment was then put and carried, with an understanding that the debate was to be resumed a; five o'clock this day. Adjourned at Half-past Twelve. HOUSE OF COMMONS. Mr. WILKS presented a petition from some Friendly Society (the name of which did nut transpire), complaining of the great expense of enrolling articles pursuant to Portmau's Act. and paying for a remedy for the slime. MKS PI TM lITALK. Mr. WI LIES then moved for an address to the following effect That there be laid before the House an account of all offices, places, situations. or employments, la the army, navy, or civil depanmenta of the elvare, with all pensions, retired allows ces, reversionary grants, and 'William iesl pre. ferments, held by each of the Peers of the United Kingdom of Great linters and Ireland, tieing a seat in parliament, and by his family and relations; specifying the amount of the pay, salaries, fees, and ocher emoluments, of tech stench offices, places, situations, and employments, and of s uch pensions, retired allowance, reversionary grants, and axle siastical preferments, respectively." Agreed to. °Dian 0? 314411,11A1ti11b Ur. HUNT presented a pedalos tram Wk. Bussal, of Wigrourre-wreet. Cavendish-wpm somplehig of the reader' of Mr. Hoskins, of lisaitesib4new oHeo, who had held Hr. K. wo, a lad of Sao paw ap, to bag, •' for treading a !soap " la tba attests as hla tuber to roaww for Ms appounoco. That boy, while troodliog ids beg', I was taken into custody by a policeman. The father bad to pay ts. 6d. for a summons. Peddon ordered to be printed. TITHES--IRELAND. ' lard INOESTRIE presented a petition from forty be. wad Clergymen of the diocese of Ossory and Ferns. eon pisiming of their inability to collect their tithes. He did net swum to enter into the question of the legality of tithes. Hs sessidersd that the fact could not be questioned ; bat this pddss was a tolerably good reply to the allegation that there was no combination in Ireland on the subject of tithes. The petitioners wets, however, ready to make any tun saariflces to be enabled to collect their tit ha peacefully. Tbey were forbidden to pursue other callings, therefore it was most unjust thus to deprive them of the means of exist. race ; and especially as the), in common with the other clergymen, were zealous and laborious in the discharge of their duties. The present Session would not afford time for him to submit a motion on the subject; but in the next &seine he should deem it to be his duty to bring it under the coosideration of parliament. Col. CONOLLY said that a very extensive combination existed in Ireland to prevent the collection of tithes. He had seen the hurling system in full force, and could bear testimony to the fact of its extensive existence. He felt compelled to pronounce the strongest eulogy on the for bearance of the clergy, in consequence of their forbeerence to enforce the collection of tithes, and the combination to re- slat the payment of tithes was proceeding and increasing to an extent truly alarming. If the system continued, there were petiole who would despoil so long as there was any thing to spoliate. They, however, did not act from themselves— they were stimulated by others, especially by such eloquent, invidious, and pernicious productions as those of Dr. Doyle. They were encouraged in systematic opposition to the law. Dr. Doyle existed in the titido of these agitations. (Hear.) Thaw proceedings could not go on—it was quite impossible that they could last. Tile revenues were sanctioned by ages, and yet the tesistance to them was, as it were, rentlidtd•— The combinations endangered the very existence of the church in Ireland. Where was the system of menace to end t He trusted that the government would not fail to extend its most serious irtention to this subject. bir J. NEWPORT admitted the importance of the sub ject, but he should have been very glad if the hon. member who last spoke had devised a remedy for the evil. But he lugged it to be understood that the Roman Catholics were not the only persons who resisted the payment of these tilos—the Prutestants were largely engaged in such resist. anee, therefore be again asked what was the remedy of the hon. member, or the noble lord—(hear). Let it be born in mind, however, always that the great cause of grievance was the tithe on potatoes (bear, hear) ; and a great grievance it was. He was fat from justifying combinations, but still it was important when they were complaining of evils to know what those evils really are. Mr. W. Y. PEEL said these petitioners end the Irish clergy ought to be protected in their rights by the Govern ment. If the day of spoliation of tithes came, short would be the time between the want of security for all property. Mr. BLAKENRY contended that the Irish church bad brought much of the opposition on itself by the manner is which the tithes had been too often enforced. This was a state of things that could not last; if it continued they must prepare themselves to look for the downfall of the church of Ireland. Captain GORDON said. If these allegadons were true —and true they were—their table ought to groan under petitions praying for redress. But ought they to be sur prised, when they recollected the language of Roman Catholic priests respecting tithes? Mr. H. GRATTAN said, he was not sutprised at theitm• willingness of some to pay tithes. for it waspot very agree able to have to contribute to two churches ; but he must nevertheless observe, that in his part of the country he found more opposition to tithes resulted from Protestants than from Catholics. Mr. LEPROY contended that the clergy had a just right to complain; but ought they to be surprised that there were combinations, when Dr. Doyle, in a pamphlet, expressed the hope that the hatred of people to tithes might be as last. log as their love of justice." That looms* ought to have been pro:voted ; and as it had not, the people inferred that the Government connived at such sentiments. Mr. DAWSON observed that the complaisits of these petitioners were well founded. and deserved the attention of the house and the government. Mir. SHELL said that the only corrective for the evils ampleinsi of. would be to follow the example set by the bah umber for Dundalk (Capt. Gordon) to convert the 4000,000 (=holies of Ireland into Protestants, and then there would not be mach objection to the tithes. Mr. STANLEY observed that the government had =- Waded all the assistance possible consistemly with the law, if not sometimes beyond the law, by affording the aid of the constabulary force. The relief asked could not be given, except by the sanction of parliament ; and would it, In the present state of exdternent, be advisable to compel the tithe courpositiou act In all west The complaint was &serious one, and government would afford all possible assistance; but be did not see that the government was called upon at the present mamma to propose new laws to meet existing Mr. GOULBURN remarked. that the complaints about the severity of costs came with very 111 grace from those who were subjected to them, in consequence of resisting legal de mands. The petitioners were amongst the most respectable of Ireland. He thought some effectual relief c ot r gl Y ttr en be afforded if possible, to avert proceedings so dan gerous to the stability of the Church. Petition ordered to lie on the table. Lard INGESTRIE moved that it be printed, remark ing that be had not dwelt on its prayer, Watt's be could trot concur In its solidtation for new laws on the subject. In presenting this petition he was not actuated by elec. dowering motives. Mr. LEFROY said. if the law had been outatepped„ It bad been very ill exerted, for the mischief remained. But what he particularly complained of, was that certain lan. gunge had been allowed or connived at ; the language of Dr. Doyle's pamphlet had neither been prosecuted nor dis avowed by the Government. Mr. STANLEY observed, that if the evil continued, it was not in consequence of the Government not being ready to afford all legal assistance—all practicable aid had been offered ; the evil was only to be met by legal enactment--if legal enactment would meet the ad. (Hear.) Col. TRENCH said, that combinations to a very great extent existed against the payment of tithes In Ireland. Mr. S. RICE said, the Government ought not to be made answerable for Dr. Doyle's sentiments, at the same time he had the greatest respect for that right rev. prelate. On the motion of Mr. S. RICE a new writ was issued for Drogheda. Colonel PERCIVAL asked the Right Hon. Secretary foe Ireland whether or not it was intended to fill up the situation of Judge of the Admiralty Court for Ireland. Dlr. STANLEY replied that he could not give a positive answer, but he could assure the house that if it was it should be one without peejudice either to abrogate the Alice or to the abridgement of fees. Lou ILIEOTIVANIS or :arum& Col. PERCIVAL rose to move an address praying for his Majesty to remove nob of the newly appointed Lords Lieutenants ol amides in Ireland as are net resident within their counties. The , gallant colonel pointed out a number of instances in which apparent partiality had been exercised in appointing Lord Lieutenants who were not resident. while there were noblemen resident in the counties, who from birth, fortune, and qualifications, were equally entitled to hold the situations. He also alluded to examples where the situation of Lord Lieutenants bad actually been filled by noblemen who were not of age—(he ar , bear). In some counties Jibed beenobserved as a rule to appoint peers only. and if no peer resided in the county, that was made a pretext for seeking a nobleman from a neighbo ur i ng count y to AU t h e situation ; b.t in other cases noblemen had been passed over who re. sided in counties, and the appointments had been filled up by gentlemen not noblemen from neighbouring counties. Mr. YOUNG seconded the motion. He oorrobotated the statement made by the Gallant Colonel, and dted a few more. He said be was much surprised to know that such arrangements had been made by a Government who had declared themselves, but very delusively be believed, to be Reformers. Mr. STANLEY repelled the allsptioneefkopartialk and said that he should have expected the gondol= in bringing forward spinet the Gs. sermon to have confined himself to what they had done, and not ham extended his charges to what they had sot door. He said that the motive upon which Government had acted, wee to appoint a person for that dies who was likely to have moat interest to the county; and the reams of selecting Peers was the same that was practisally acted upon in England, because k had bees eateidered likely that there might be a jealously embed reheat the private gentlemen of the county. He denied that any Nn iality had been ezereleed by the Govetemese ht the appointments ; and also that any prevision to the Bill made it absolute that Lord Lieutenants should be reddest in the county; but It provided that they should be resident in Ireland ; and the monset they left Ireland they were un der the nit sky of naming a Yke• Lieutenant, who lame. distill possessed all the power and patronage of the Lord • Lieutenant. It was Impossible that as the law stood it cookl be espected that Lord-Lieutenants should reside lo ' the county, because there were several Noblemen who were Lord-Lieutenants In two or three counties at the same time. The Right Honourable Secretary replied at great length to the individual Instances that bad been adduced, and contended that Government was not at an to blame In the arrangements they had made. He concluded with ex pressing his entire disapprobation of the modem. Mr. MAXWELL supperted the motion. Sir G. W A RARNDER defended the conduct of the go vernment, and said he thought it would be a new principle to Interfere with that important prerogative of the Crown, and he could not acquiesce with the motion of the gallant Co lonel; and he must say that government had so far been impartial, that they had appointed several gentlemen as fittiel persons who were diametrically opposed to the present Administration. Sir 3. NEWPORT was very indistinctly heard ; we un derstood him to oppose the motion, and to defend the con duct of Government. Lord T ULL A MORE supported the motion, and censured the Government on account of their appointments, and said that many resident nobl e men and gentlemen bad been grossly insulted by being passed over, while nonresident noblemen had been appointed to the office. Mr. LAMBERT, at great length, repelled the allegations against the Government. After a few words from Mr. Conolly, Mr. C. Pelham, Sir J. Doyle, and O'Connor Don ' Mr. LEFROY said It had been stated, on the introduc tion of the bill, that the Lord lieutenants would be chosen only amongst resident individuals. Mr. CRAM I'TON denied that each a statement had been made. Gentlemen opposite were awe because all Lord Lieu. townie were not Tories. After • few words from Mr. CALLAGHAN, Mr. IL O'CONNELL said, the greater number of the nominations would be agreeable to Ireland. Alia a few words from an honourable Member, Colonel Perceval having replied, withdrew his motion. Lord ALTHORP said he would postpone the motion fora Select Committee on the West India Im.rest, tin a later hour of the evening. Mr. K. Douglas, Mr. Hume, Mr. Retries, Re. disap proved of the postponement. EICMILQUER COI/IT OF SCOTLAND STOULATION SILL. The second reading of this bili;;riniireinrnirreti, Mr. K [CNN RUT said it wax the intention of Government to abolish entirely the Court of Ezchequer of Scotland, and to transfer its business, which was inoonsidaable, to the Court of Session; meanwhile, the present bill reduced the Chief Baron and two of the Puisne Judges. Lord A LTHORP, in answer to Sir 0. Clerk, said the Chief Baron retired on the half of his salary, and the two Puiane Judges who had officiated for a considerable time, on three-fourths of their salaries. Mr. HUME said the Court should have been abolished long since. The Lord Chief Baron had not been long enough in his situation to be entitled to a pension. It was monstrous that a Chief Justice, who had held his office only Sheen months, should have a pension of 2,0001. He should be made Chief Justice of the Court of Bankruptcy, and thus Ithe pension would be raved. Mr. R. FERGUSON and Sir 0. WARRENDER said a few words. Sir W. RAE deprecated the total abolition of the E_- cheque. Court. Mr. CAMPBELL considered the Court to be useless. Sir G. CLERK opposed, and the ATTORNEY. GENERAL supported the bill. ' The debate was then adjourned till this day. Mr. P. THOMSON, in moving far the appointment of a select committee on the West India Affairs, said the com mittee would confine its attention to the commercial state of the West Indies, omitting the question of negro slavery and all political subjects Mr. GOULBURN and Mr. K. DOUGLAS consi dered an appointment of a committee at the close of the session a mere delusion. Lord A LTHOUP hoped the session was not at all at a close. But it it were. it was still important to have the cont. mime appointed, u Its appointment nut Session would be thereby facilitated. After a conversation, in which Mr. Burge, Mr. Hume, Lord Altborp, site. took part, the committee was appointed. The other orders were then disposed of, and the House adjourned at Half.past Three. FOREIGN INTELLIGENCE. BY EXPRESS FROM PARS. THTS DAY. PARIS, OCT. s.—Tbe presses, types, and all property of the Revolution .1c urn4l,were seised by the Government yesterday, and the Journal did not appear! Prince Borgbese has just died in Italy.—Con stitutionnel. 1 The Infanta of Portugal, Isabella Maria, has quitted Lisbon by order of Miguel.— Ibid. The National Guard of Mont benoit has of late held itself in readiness, to receive General Dwer nicki ; it is said, that the Polish Chief, brother in-law of Lieutenant-General Count Merand, will arrive next month at the chateau of Montbenoit, where the Countess of Pavia, his mother, resides. Gazette de la Franclle-Comte. We have a letter from Berlin which announces that the cholera morbus is not very formidable in that city ; already, the physicians were convinced that the disease had made its greatest ravages, and that its Intensity would soon diminish. A sober and regular life appears to be the only means of preservation.—Constitutionnel. The President of the Council came to prism t to day a pretended project of law upon the civil list. He demanded the sum of —, and said no more, leaving to the Chamber to fix the ansount,and not daring even to propose it. This is rather stronger perhaps, than the lit le artifice of the same Mitre ter to obtain the hereditary► by demanding th- non hereditary. 7 hat is political honor, uM. Perier conceives it.—National. The Spanish refugees, on going to the prefec ture of police to receive the monthly succours given to them by the government, were refused the payment of the month of September; they were told there was no order from the ministry.— they were was ned that an order would be given to quit Parit and to proceed to Tours. The Italian refugees will receive the order to proceed to Mou lins.—Jostroal du Cossueserve. The Belgian Government has received the ar ticles of the definitive treaty imposed by the Con ference to Holland and Belgium. They will be communicated to the Chamber in some days. The following is the substance of their contents : Holland will preserve the limits of 1790, to which will be added nearly all Lembourg. She will cede upon the right bank of the Scheldt, some points lof which the deprivation will put it out of her power henceforth to intimidate the Belgian terri tory ; amongst others is designed the city of Hulst, the Capitalendam and the Sluice of Veriest. Lux embourg will be ceded to Belgium, provided there is a pecuniary indemnity. The Consul of Swe den has not yet recognised king Leopold. Will Charles-John do u Prussia, Russia, and Austria? —Constitutionnel. BRUSSELS PAPERS RECEIVED THIS DAY. The city of Antwerp bas just been declared in a state of siege. This measure is said to bare been founded on the fear of some movements with which the Government bee been alarmed, on the approach of the 10th. The military engineers are at this moment making as estimate of all the boasts of the city opposite to the citadel, la order; to dispose of them i n cue of an attack, and make asset them in defence ofibe city.—Brussels, Oct.l. The battery of artillery, commanded by Captain Piston set out yesterday foe Matinee. The order was so argent that the Captain could net obtain I delay of twenty-four hours, which h e t h ought necessary. The Antwerp Journal says :—The silence ofour diplomacy and of the conference, the preparatio ns for war and defence, and lastly, the hostile lan guage of the Journals, cause war to be considered as inevitable, at the expiration of the armistice on Monday next. All appearances are, iu fact, in favour of this opinion, and the mote so as all the Jour nals speak of a protocol threatening us with an attack from Prussia, Austria, and Russia. This objection does not alarm us ; the existence of this protocol is a falsehood, and we are convinced, that notwithstanding any diversity of opinions. between the members of the conferences, oil the French and Belgian questions, they are, at least, unanimous in their desire, that these events may not disturb the peace of Europe. We are still persuaded that a si eedy decision will prevent any effusion of blood, and enable us at length to complete our institutions, and repair the disasters of our commerce and manufactures. The forma tion of a foreign 'egion is suspended. The decree for its organization has been in the hands of the King for these two days, but more pacific news is expected from London.—Ernancipatiens. The Prussian Government is going to issue an order to all young Prussians, liable to serve in the army, who are in foreign countries, to return home immediately, because the whole army is going to be called out.—Brussels Papers, Oct. 4. 11AMBURGH PAPERS—AEC/NED THIS DA Y. Pools, SEPT. 27.—The remainder of the Diet, hitherto assembled at Zacroczyn, and the Polish Natienal Government formed there, have entirely dissolved themselves. The members have left Zacroczyn singly, and have dispersed. Prince Crarieryski is said to be at Cracow. ... Ihe remaind r of the Polish army, about 14,000 men, is gill in and about Modlin. The 4th Rus ian corps, under General Sarvoinin, ar riving from Lithuania, is now approaching. It consists of three divisions of Infantry, one of Hus sar', and 72 pieces of cannon, and has already reached Lanza, so that now the country to the north of Modlin, is entirely occupied by the Russi an troops. Accounts have been received here direct from Warsaw, dated the 23J, which inform us that the Emperor of Russia has been pleased to confer on Count Paskewitsch Erivanaki, for the glorious tet mination of the Polish insurrection, and the taking of Warsaw, the rank of Prince, with the name of Warszawski ! The negotiations of General Berg with the re mains of the Polish army at Medlin continue, but do not seem to lead to any result, in consequence of the temper of some of the leaders. The Po lish army has, indeed, began to move timards Plock, but it is not thought it will comply with the con ditions prescribed by the Ruuisns, for which reason it is followed and observed by a powerful Russian force of 60 battalions, 94 squadrons, and 200 pieces of cannon. FROM rtes FRONTIRRS o• Pates D.—(From the Prussian State Gazette.)—News has just been received that Modlin is occupied by the &mina troops, and that the remainder of the Polish army that left Warsaw has advanced from Plock aloes the right bank of the Vistula, towards the Prussian frontiers. Camel Van Ronne, hearing that the Poles had crossed the Vistula near Hock, pro ceeded from Krosnowice in that direction, but soon learnt that 'OOO Poles, who bad crossed to the left bank, had returned to Plock, and had began to break down the bridge over the Vistula. The Colonel remains at Krosnowice with his detach ment, to observe any further movement that the Polish troops might make on the left bask.— Hamburg Borsen Halle, Oct. 1. BRAZIL PAPERS RECEIVRD THIS DAY. RIO MC J•NEITIO, JOLT 26.—(Frote the Diario do Goverao.)—The Ministry of the Re gency has addressed to the representatives of the nation, an exposition of the principle on which it means to act. The Ministers convinced of the great importance of unity in the Government, have resolved to con cert together, not only their plans, but the mesas of carrying them into effect. The Rio papers contain numerous articles offi cial and non-official, respecting the disturbances on the 14th and 15th of July. The city was tranquil. The packet from Bahia, which arrived on the Ist Aug. after a voyage of 11 days, brought word that perfect tranquillity prevailed in the province of Rio Grande do Norte, Parahiba, Pernambuco, Alagoas, and Babia.—Diario do Gerona, from 26th July to Bth Aug. inclusive. P•aca, STOCK EXCHANOI, OCT. 4.—ln the early pert of the day there was a decided tendency to a fall. but the decline evidently proceeding from the transactions effected for settling the account, the funds rose as soon u these transactions drew near to their conclusion. Business has been brisk, and the Fives for money have been in urgent de mand. The only rumour afloat has been that of the Emperor Nicholas having written to the King of Holland to induce him not to yield to the coun sels of the conference, sad promising so support his just claims. A private letter of the 22nd ult. from Berlin, states that the cholera morbus has already cat Prussia more than two campaigns. Every body makes sacrifices to relieve the indigent, for rhea number is very rest in consequence of the rag ' nation of trade. The Austrian Observer state% after official re' ports, that the total number of persons attacked by the cholera in 2,043 towns and villages in Hungary bad up to the 13th ult. was 208,528, of whom 99,0 04 died. Between the 10th and 12th of September only nine persons were attacked with the cholera at St• Pmemburgh, Lye of whom died, the other four recovered. _ The cholera has broken out at Koswig, io the Duchy of Anhalt Bernburg. The Moxiteur of yesterday contains the official publication of the law, by which the sum of one million of (macs is granted for sanitary PurrS e !' What we stated soon days since hi oor Cary article of the armistice between Holland and l ginin being renewed, we understand is nog co' limed, by a Eger who arrived yoswasi Fr by s li /IN Ivor doul 4 114 p Al ox T 1 ling u a by a n y and on Wo c i we d e l litonw aid el *tin des of As a titan no lain by Laom 441 . 1 1 ;:41"1:14.111:niki:1"1111 : :4114111: : :: : 1 : 111 foam addition are s ev "WY Al