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41 , that they entertained very mistaken views • they were, indeed, always misled. their condition could not be im was called the natural prices of and Mr. Webb Hall described corn as that of the year 181 '.— s ay what that natural price was, ly separate that subject from the ? He had told the farmers •in :me the resumption of cash-pay. was (*ermined upon, to wait for and they would sec how much. reference to the import of fo nduce would be affected by that dation had increased, he under in the last ten years, according to hich was not yet published. An must naturally serve to advance by increasing the demand for it ; prodisce of corn must reduce its ireciation of the currency must in. whilst an advanced value in that Ice it. Now, amidst the operation of s g t bese causes, who could state what was the natural e nd of corn, independently of any question as to the I g or of foreign grain ? Or was there any authority intbiscountry, however high, who could make any as upon the subject that was entitled to attention? yet sir. Webb Hall had ventured to make the asset tide which he had mentioned. But really this Gentle on seem ed quite beside himself ; for he had roundly /a rta that it was of no consequence whatever to the i nter est of Agriculture, or that of the country at k rg e, whether the Bank resumed cash payments or et , provided adequate provhion were made by the i e fslature to guard against the import of _foreign l t on. Nay, in the Pamphlet in which these assertions, *ear ed, Mr. Hall had obser v e d, that " the most fble criterion of natural wealth and prosperity is l t , be found in a diminished value of currency, whe. ther that currency shall consist of paper or metal, as d ot o f poverty is to be found in a high value of cur.' m y," Then, according to this Gentleman's doctrine, t r ace enjoyed great wealth and prosperity when she I was (kluged by those assignats, which were at last seedy worth more than waste paper ; and so was AperiCa, when, at the time • f her Revolution, she bdso many depreciated dollars in circulation. But utss quite idle to argue with such a writer, and yet k i n appointed, by the present Ministers, Secretary gradate Board of Agriculture, while he wa., selected i r tlie farmers as Secretary to their Agricultural Associations. How then could the Agriculturists rope error, or entertain correct views, while they scud under such a guide, or attended re such an ad liar? Yet his authority had been quoted this day y those Gentlemen who so cautiously abstained bonny animadversion upon the conduct of Minis- 1 ms, by whom all the affairs of the country had beet so much deranged, by whom every visitation that afflicted the people had been mainly occasioned. l lk really could not see any ground upon which a ccesiskration of the proceedings of these Ministers could be separated from the question before the Meet ing. But to return to Mr. Webb Hall : that Gentle man had stated that the amount of the Bank notes &sot affect the currency, and that we might return *cash payments at once, without a prejudice to the , ) reentry, if the import of foreign corn could be ef- Wally prohibited. But what said Mr. Thornton, kids celebrated book, about fifteen years ago—that devalue of the Bank note currency must he seriously elected, if it were ever allowed to reach thirty mil ions, and it had since notoriously done so. With regard to the motion with which he proposed to con sect his Amendment, he was quite ready to vote for District Meetings, and for a County Meeting after web District Meetings had declared their sentiments, dish Meeting would, he hoped, be determined upon, pmicularly with a view to consider the conduct of Bolsters ; for how strange was it that the Chancel- . be of the Exchequer should be allowed to remain in dire, after a Committee of the House of Commons, comprehending four of his own colleagues, had pub bbed a Report, containing a direct contradiction of &Resolution which that Gentleman proposed as to the currency, upon the discussion of the Bullion ques tion in 1811. But every part of the conduct of these Ministers had some extraordinary aspect, or some mischievous result. The Amendment having been read, Lord EGitEMONT declared his entire concurrence 'sigh MG Blackman, that an unsettled currency was thegreat source of the evils which afflicted Agriculture. Mr. ELLMAN, sen. felt himself bound to oppose this Amendment, lest from its adoption, this might be deemed a Political Meeting, which was a character he did not wish it to bear. Mr. BLACKMAN considered it mere drivelling and nonsense to say that a Meeting was not political which involved the interest, as its authors alleged, of every class of the people. The money question was indeed the key-stone of the arch of such a Meeting, and therefore the consideration of that question could trot be consistently excluded anymore than t he con duct of Ministers, who upon that question attempted I, to make Mr. Ricardo their scapegoat, because they adopted his plan in order to release themselves Of their own motion. Yet thus the farmers were im posed upon and led away from any consideration of the conduct of Ministers. But the farmers must, in order to understand their case, follow different leaders from those to whom they had heretofore attended. They must plough deep and contrive to render their trams clear, and fallow for the reception of better leed—(Applausc). Lord EGREMONT said, that he could not consider the Amendment of Mr. Black.nan as a political or party proposition, whatever he might think of that Gentleman's speech : for it was the fact, that all par ties, in Parliament and out of it, supported the re sumption of cash payments. Lords Grey and Lans down did so as well as the Ministers. Nay, Mr. Cob belt Limself did so, and " %Oat the devil more," said the Noble Lord, " would you require ?" (A high and er i plause). - After a few mote observations from Mr. BLACK.. MAN, Mr. Ullman withdrew his opposition, and the . Amendment was adopted. Thanks were voted to Lord EGRENIOWT for his con duct in the Chair, upon which the Noble Earl ex pressed hie ackaowledgments. which were received with great ..pplause ; and the Meeting broke up Ilhuut tour o'clock. falleaers that toll Pro this subject ; the e i ere told that t 1 red, trtless what v were restored, a natutal price of CI who could truly s who could propeily money question r oom, at the tin , .. e no by the Bank %%I ' wo or three yrars, a independently of any e o gn c orn, their prod wore. ur popul one-stzth, with i • recent Census, wh *1 population corn, by he rt f oils our improved I • p i c e, and a depreci 010 that price, w it OW enC y must reduce -1,„ col [mil THE EVENING STAR. LONDON. WEDNESDAY, DECEMBER 5, 1821. THE FUNDS. PRICES OF STOCKS THIS DAY AT Atli &CLOCK : Bank Stock 237-3 per Cent. Reduced 76 3 / 4 % 3 per Cent. Cons. shut-3'4 per Cent. 87 86% 4 per Ct. 96 1 / 8 95 96-5 per Ct. Navy Ans. shut Bank Long Annuities 19 1 / 4 5-16 Imperial 3 per Cents. 75 3 / 4 India Bonds 665. 645. 655. pre. - Ercheq. Bills £lOOO, par, Is. pr. Ditt6 (Small) Is. 2s. pre. par Comols for Acct. 77% 54 be impossible that Austria also should be secettir consenting with Russia to attempt at this moment the entire subversion of the Turkish Empire—at least in Europe? These *oral legitimate Governments are so well versed in the equitable system of partitioning the territories of others, that it would be no way sur prising should it hereafter appear that they bad found equivalents equal to their respective expectations in ' a suitable division of the Turkish European territo ries! What—suppose them capable of attempting to impose chains upon the Greeks, who are now la- I bouring to shake off a barbarian yoke! Yes—and why not? we consider them capable of any act of) this kind. It is perfectly consistent with every part of the conduct of these conservators of the peace of Europe. The present state of affairs in the East is not, how ever, the only indication that Europe is threatened with the ravages of widely desolating war, at no very distant period. The Address of the Chamber of Deputies to the French KING, and the answer which his MaJury has been advised to return to that Address, are most portentous. The general opi nion seems to be, that the Chamber by expressing' a hope ' 6 that a peace so precious had not been pur chased by sacrifices incompatible with the honour of the nation," meant to insinuate that the KING had not interfered with sufficient vigour with respect to Tutkey and Russia. But shall we believe it impos sible that the Chamber had in its eye the conduct of the Holy Allies in relation to Naples and Piedmont ? We think it improbable that the French, as a nation, could have viewed, with indifference, the proceedings of the Holy Allies on that occasion, or approve of the apparent acquiescence of their Government in the measures of Russia and Austria respecting Italy. The question is not, whether the Neapolitans were qualified or not to enjoy the blessings of a Con stitutional Government?— If mankind are to wait till the legitimates shall de cide that they are thus qualified, the day of regene ration will never arrive. Nations are at all times fit to receive improvement, and, when determined to im prove their institutions, can command the change— if their neighbours will only let them alone. France' in spite of all the evils that accompanied the Revolu tion—many of which, however, they owed to the in terference of other States—and in spite even of the march of the Allies to Paris, has derived many ad vantages, and secured to her People many privileges, which could never otherwise have been obtained ; and the French know well that, had the thing been possible, they would, as a People, have been reduced to the same state of degradation by the Allies. We, therefore, think it highly probable that the Chamber of Deputies was as much influenced by considerations ' respecting the policy of permitting the Holy Alliance to interfere, on every occasion that it may judge pro per, with the internal affairs of independent States, as by anything that regards the Turks and Russians• We mean not by these remarks to express our belief that the events now passing in thg East of Eu rope had no influence on the Chamber in framing the Address ; we only contend that the interference of the Great Powers, with the affairs of those States which they can insult with impunity, has also had its influence in dictating the Address ; and we doubt not that this will be proved to have been the fact. Nor is it any answer to this that the French Cabinet was a consenting party to these measures ; for if our opi nion be correct, this is one of the reasons why the Chamber has thought it necessary to adept steps which may enable it to record its dissent from the measures of the Cabinet. But in what is all this to terminate? He would be a wise man indeed who could predict all the re sults ; but it requires no great degree of wisdom to foresee that Europe will soon be again involved in a general war. In such an event, how will Britain stand? Let the present state of our finances, and the ruinous condition pf our Landholders and Avicul turists, furnish an answer to the question. Lisbon Papers to the 25th ult. arrived this dap. The following are estraets LISBON, NOVEMBER S 4. The Cortes continue to discuss the Articles of the Constitution day by day, besides the various other subjects that are laid before them. Novossaa 25.—Official notice is given by the Board of Health of Badajos, and the Governor of that Province, dated the 17th instant, that the terrible effects of the contagion, which raged in two Pro vinces of Spain bordering on our kingdom, have consi derably diminished ; so that the Governor of Badajos judges that there is no reason to fear anything from renewing our communications and commercial rela tions with those two Provinces. The debates respecting the Abolition of the Patri archal Church, are not yet finished in the Cortes.— Many Members urged the necessity of reducing the expenses of an establishment which consumes a great proportion of the revenue, and it appears that the institution will be maintained, but that the revenues will be greatly curtailed, in such manner as the Cortes shall determine. Boston Papers arrived this morning to the 11 th November. The Boston Paper of the 10th says, letters from Cuba mention that three of the pirates who have made that island their asylum hive been apprehended by the Spanish citizens of Mkanzas, MINISTERIAL CHANGES. Our Readers will perceive that the Ministerial Changes announced, demi-officially, yesterday, were not unknown to us on Wednesday last. We then li mited our notice to the postponement of a former Ca binet Minister's accession to office, not feeling at li berty to announce further measures which, however connected with that question,.were then not fully de cided upon. • _ _ _ It is evident that the appointment of Mr. Prat is an experiment, on the event of which must depend the continued non-accession of a former President of the India Board. Briefly, we have no doubt that it is contemplated that the acknowledged talents and high character of Mr. Part will amply compensate. in the House of Commons, for the support that had been expected from the Right Honourable Gentle man for whose return to office the negociation al luded to bad failed. If the experiment succeed, we may, without pre tending to the gift of prophecy, predict that other changes in the Cabinet are at no great distance—and we say this the more confidently, because we are not ignorant that more than one prominent office in the Ministry cannot fail to be influenced by a recent re markable change in the Household. The Meeting held yesterday at the Thatched House Tavern, ou the present state of Ireland, was little cal culated to raise the hopes or allay the fears of the suf fering part of that distracted country ; for notwith standing the general interest of the occasion, not more than a hundred Gentlemen were present. The real state of Ireland received very little elucidation from the collected speeches of the Gentlemen, though some ot them were sufficiently diffuse. When Major ' TlGue., in moving a Resblution for an Address to his MAJESTY to convene Parliament speedily, boldly declared that the evils operating in Ireland were neither owing to bad government, the supineness of the Magistracy, the oppressive exactions of land lords, nor politics, nor t) the,; it would have been well if he had pointed out the cause, which he con fessed himself unable to do. We should have thought this would have been no difficult matter, as the infor mation might have been obtained by a very short re sidence there, or by the evidence of those who have written on the subject. To whatever extent the outrages in Ireland may be carried, there can be no doubt they have their origin in the wretched misery to which the peasantry have been reduced, and of which we, in this country, can scarcely form an adequate idea. It would indeed be a bad feature in the character of the Irish, if, with good government, kind landlords, trifling tithes, and an absence of party feelings either religious or poli tical (and according to Major Trona they have all these), they were to pursue such a course, of rapine and murder as every day's Paper now records: but it is not the case ; of whatever acts of desperation the Irish peasantry may be guilty, it is the desperation of misery and of want, unrelieved by kindness or We have never disguised our opinion respecting the policy pursuing by the 'magnanimous ALYZANDER of Russia, respecting Turkey. We have ever con sidered war as the unavoidable result of that policy, and been of opinion that any professions of a pacific aspect were only intended to lull the suspicions of those who may imagine that their interests, political or commercial, would be involved in the issue. Mat ters have now assumed an aspect calculated to, awaken the suspicions of the most credulous respect ing the conduct likely to be pursued by the Court of St. Petersburgh. Even those Journals which had, time after time, been stating, " on authority," that there would be no war, begin to have the film re moved from their eyes: or, if they themselves have never been deceived, to cease attemptink any longer to hoodwink those who pay attention to their state ments. Indeed, if it be true, as now stated, that the Per sians have attacked the Turks with a large force,it would be difficult to persuade any pawn, at all acquainted with the relations of the Persian, Russian, and Turkish Governments, that there was not a secret understand ing between the two former at the present moment. Btu let us suppose the contrary, and, even in this ca.e, it will follow that the inducements to Russia to hasten the execution of its long practised prospective policy are so much heightened, that it can hardly be believed that Power can ever hope for a more favour able crisis to execute its - Tong concocted projects Against turkey. May we not go even farther, and ask whether it. and that two of them have been summarily tried and . executed. Letters are received dated Havanrcah 22d Otitober: they mention that the City of Mexico surrendered to -- the Patriots on the 29th September. The All ;re Zeitung to the 24th ult. and other German .fournals have arrived. ODESSA, NOVEMBER 1. According to accounts from St. Petersburgh of 24th of October, the Emperor had sent hi. ultintatims to Constantinople, in reply to the last Note of the Porte. We learn from good authority that his Ma. jesty abides by the resolutions which he has already announced, but does not depart from the principle adopted at La bath . His Magesty insists on the este& blishment of a system insuring the just rights of the innocent Greeks, stipulated by former treaties, and on the immediate evacuation of Moldavia and Wal lachia. Till these two points are accomplished. his Majesty cannot renew the diplomatic relations with the Porte. Without knowing the entire Contents of the Note sent to Constantinople, it is consoling for humanity, that the principles of Christianity, so vit. toriously laid down by Baron S rogonoff, are firmly maintained by our Cabinet. Sooner or later they must triumph over barbarism. The ultimatum seat to Constantinople has beeh communicated by our Emperor to the Courts of England and Austria, on account of his especially friendly relations with those Powers; and he has expressed his conviction, from the beneficent influence which the Ambassadors of England and Austria exercise over the Divan, it may be expected that the Porte will punctually fulfil these reasonable demands. Count Lieven is salt to have been sent with a mission on this buliject to Hanover or London. THE AILMY. Monday merning, the first division of the 95th Regiment em barked at Gravesena for the Cape of Gond I lope, on hoard the Bak:arras Indiaman. The second division was expt cted to en-- bark yesterday, on board the David Scott, for the same place. The first division of the 49th Foot also embarked on Monday, at Gravesend, for the Cape, and will be followed by the re.. minder of the Regiment as speedily as possible. Juhm Bristow and Jukes lirytott, two privates of the Ist Devon Militia, committed to the county jail for absenting themselves from tlee last training of that Regiment, have received his Ma jesty's pardon. Commission in the East Esse: Militia, signed by the Lord Lieu tenant of the County of Essex. Ensign Benjamin 114:11, to be Lieutenant, vice John Osborne, deceased. Sizmoasamum—The appointment of Ensign Charles Osborne was gaaetted by mistake. NAVAL IATELLIGENCE. Wurrruavax, Dec. 2.—The New Triton is stranded near Ravenglass ; crew and passengers saved. The WiiiiaM;BOADIR, of this part, from Waterford, hat gone to pieces ; crew saved. An Irish schooner has also gone to pieces—crew drowned. A brig was on shore about a league to the Southward of the above vessels, name not known. LIMERICK, Dec. I. Last night it blew a most tremendous gale at W.N.W. which continued until four o'clock this morning. The tide rose to an alarming height, and considerabk damage has been done to the shipping in the River, but we have nut heard of any vessel being lost or drove on shore. Lriaaroot, Dec. 3.—The Hannah, laving, from Dublin for Liverpool, is stranded near Cunals Point k Anglesey), and it vrzs hared would go to pieces—crew saved. The Isabella, KING, from New Orleans, was driven on shore last night, and will be a total wreck—crew saved. The Albion,Wir.Luaes, from New York, which was on shore in Bootle Bay, has been got off. Fautourn, Dec. S.—Wind W.N.W.—Arrived, the Stanmer packet, with a Mail from Lisbon, in seven days.—Sailed, the Ardent, Born, for Belfast.—The packets have their signals flying, and are ready to sail directly the wind shifts to the North. PORTSMOUTH, Dec. 4.—Arrived, La Victoria Maria, 11Alt7III, from Cherbourg.—Sailed, the Vilma cutter, on a cruize.—k has blown very hard from the N.W. all day, but the ships at Spithead and the Motberbank are laying all safe. PLYMOUTH Dec. 3 .— Wind W.—Arrived the Ny m p h, WAD. ants, hem Lisbon. limasstaez, Dec. 4.—Arrived La Julie, DROUILLASD, from London for Rouen, with loss of anchors and cables. DLit, Dec. 4.—Wind W.S. W.—Came down from the River the nary, BOYD, for Madras, Sec. Aurora, Hunt, and Kim, Nana, for Grenada ; New Thomas, WILIGHT for Genoa and 1 Leghorn ; Letitia Tennant, MONTOOM EST, and E dward, Hyenas, for Belfast; Sir Joseph Banks, MAJOR, for Jamaica; and Navi. glair, Dzwunrza, for Caen. Arrived and sailed for the River the Centurion, Mean, from St. Helena ; and Hester, Gnomes, from Oporto. Great part of the outward-bound sailed last night ( with a light breeze from the N.N.W. Te-day it is W.N.W. with every appearance of blowing again from that quarter. Pet back, the Rebecca, for St. Lucia; and Hutton, for Buenos Ayres : they left the fleet this morning off Fairkigh, apparentk I all well, endeavouting to beat down with a foul wind; but most likely they will be obliged to bear up again. lie., Dec. S.—The Blue Eyed Lass, Daw,iols, from hense Ito London, has been run on board of by the Mary, of Plymouth, which stove in her bow and did her so much damage that she must discharge to repair. Currom-House, Dec. 4. Ships entered Inwards :—The John, from Cabals; Johann, from Randers; Margaret, from Lime rick ; Royal Union, from Dublin ' • Helen, from Wexford ; and Endeavour, from Waterford.—Entered Outwards: The Balza, for Cork; Little Sally, for Malta; San Antonio, for Coruna; Eagle, fee Jersey • Bee, for Naples; and Neleus, for Hain burgb.—Cleared dutwards : The Heena, for Montserrat; Ju lius, for St. Kitt's ; Isabella, for Flushing; Unity, for Dublin; and Princess of Wales, for Calais. The Princess AUGUSTA arrived yesterday afternoon at the King's Palace, at Pimlico. Her Royal High ness was accompanied by Count LINSURGEN, and Lady NIARY TAYLOR, &c. The brewers have reduced the price of porter to the publicans two-pence per gallon ; and it is ex.! petted that a further reduction will take place. A packet of Bank-notes, to the amount of £5OOO, which was supposed to have been lost, and for which a reward of £lOO was offered, has been recovered. It had, by a mistake at the Post-officP, been trans mitted to Dublin instead of Durham, to which latter place it was directed. DRURY-LAN E.—Last night Nlrs.W.Wssr made her re-appearance in the character of Juliet, and was loudly and warmly greeted by the whole audience. She sustained the character throughout with the mo t bewitching excellence. Mr. Coorza, as the love-sick Romeo, was highly respectable. COVENT-GARDEN. --Last night the Musical Play cf The Slave was performed here, the young Lady , Miss BoYLE, who on the preceding evening had supplied the place of Miss HALLANDE, in the cha racter of Sylvia, playing the part of Zelinda, in which she acquit ed heselt with much credit. Cour Excnartne, :11ARK-LANE, Dec. .5.---Saiverly any sales to-day, mo nadoady,tshgeu:St'hatieoatn:anddeoliislysoa vceomrypinkitoellyristbaal: aant that pricex are nominal, except for super fi ne samples, wl ich were made ma offe d r e edat thy could be got off; the inferior qualit ies are totally :unsaleable. Tine Melting Barley supports Mont'ay's currency, but the ordi nary samples are is. per quarter lower. The Oat trade mat:- Puts cm:di:4ly heavy, as well as that in Beans and Peas, the supply of c.tcb Grigg larger than he ;ouoto - sts can take off.