Star. — London, England, 1829-03-21 00:00:00

i f' - —_—__.:.._ . .... .. I „Lord RANCLIFFE supported the RBI for disfranchising the - sod Chapter of Exeter. praying that nu further concessions should. 40s. freeholders on tire show principle as other Members who bad be granted to the Roman Catholics. . already spoken on the subject.— The Petition ordered to be minted. The Marquis of BRISTOL presented Petitions in favour of the •Mr J. GRA I'T AN presented Petitions front Bay, &halloos. Catholic Claims from the inhabit..nts of a parish is Ireland. Rathdown. and other plasm in the county of Wicklow. in lemur The Hari of WEST MI Olt KLA NI) presented a Petition of a of Cah o lie E m . uc i pat j au , an d a w id ow t ram m„ yhotatis h m o ms contrary nature from the Inhabitants ea Ariknaw. the Feisty Shilling Freeholders' bisqualileadem Bill. The Bishop of LON DONwpresented i himilai Petitiao frogs the • On the morion.of Sir H Hanoimut the Lords' amendments to inhabitance of the city of Che-ter, and one to the sante effect troop the Marine Mutiny 141 were road a wetted time. a certain parish kept epilog of Rawl' Sir N. COLTHURST prevented a Petition from dm Corporal; The Ear: of GOSFOR 0 preseoted Petitions from the Roman and S:af Mend the Cork Milida *soloist the reduction of the Catholics of Castlereagh, Loops, Mister, Connaught, and scot. Militia. r.. 1 other parishes of tie counties of Down. Cavan, and Arni.gh. Mr. CA LTHORPE presented a Petition from a place In Staf iii fav o ur o f the C a th o lic Mime ; also a Pet tion from one of the fordshire against any further concessions to the Roma Catholics. said parbiltee against tb- Sub-letting Act. Sir E. HARVEY presented a similar Petit on from the county Lord WILLOUGHBY D'ldlt RSBY presented two Petitions of Kesel. in favour of the Cetbelis Claims from certain parishes in Ireland. Mr. HARING presented a Petition from Mr. Francis WWI ois Urge lietidons were ordered to be laid or the table—Adjourned the subject of t h e Life Annuity Ell HOUSE OF COMMONS. Mr. H. GRATTAN presented throe Petitions from the county of 'Monaghan for the repeal of the taws imposing disabilities on the .D o the mot i o n of • Mr. Pieter*. a new writ was ordered to be Romeo Catholics. The Hon. Member then presented a petition Hued for the borough of Sandwich, in the room of Sir K W. Irons Mr. Southern, and two petitions from the county of Cavan, (tees., who had vacated his seat by accepting the stewardship of as d ust t h e Irish p pra h o hj eta t Thsquatift„duo Hill. the Chiltern Hundreds. Mr. H. MAXWELL did not rise to oppose the petitions, but lie. CA Ill' WRI dFIT presented a Petition from Artnabo- wished to offer an observation in consequence of what had fallen tee h. in the county of Northampton. against conceshions to the' from the Hon. Gentleman who presented them. Oar Hoe. Member 'cannon Catholics. stated on a former Malicia that the Ronitan Catholic priests had not file. BA N ILES presented two similar Petitions front a borough interfered at the election of the county of Cavan. in Scotland. Mr. GRATTAN intimated that be had not made any such Sir K. INGIAS„ hi rides to present Petitions, defended the st a t e ment. right of the Clergy to call the attention of the people to a measure Mr. MAXWELL begged pardon; be bad taken the Hon. affecting. as the Catholic Relief BM did, their melonl as well as Gentlemau's sentiment from the reports which appeared in the Panic', interests. In mail places the seal of the people outran public piitit,—(Crie. of Order). As the lion. Gentleman denied M a t ot the Clergy. lie was informed of an instance in which the the sentiments attributed to him, he (Mr. Mazwell)woofil only oh. cosign titian requested their Minister to draw up a Petition for serve that be could state from the evidence of his own senses that tient against Concession to the Catholics, adding. at the sante the Roman Catholic Priests bad interfered at the Cavan election, time that if he should refuse to draw it up they would themselves and that they bad denounced front their altars those Roman Ca tionic one without his help: The Honourable Member then pre- tholics who reused t 3 act according to their wielsee--(Ilear). aented Pethiona against Concession to the Catholics front Kings- Mr. GRATTAN said he had not stated last night that the Re mote. Cakneler, Duntblaine. the Canougate, and other places in man Catholic priests had not exerted themselves at the Cavan oleo Senlautl, ha all eighteen Petitions. tion: he only said they had acted with the people, and that they Mr. 1)0W NI F. presented Petitions of a similar nature from bad pursued that course which the popular voice dictated. love riteithing and 'another district in Stocked. Mr. MAX WELL disclaimed the influence of presaged (cellar lir. B. COOPKit presented an Anti-Catholic Petition from in the statement be had made. Mayport, in the county of Northampton. Lord MOItPIiTH presented a Petition from 04 Individual Lord FOR LIES presented four Petitions from Trinfarmichael named John 'Lawless against the frisk Freeholders' Diefranchks awl other place* in the county of Longford, praying a repeal of pent Bill. The petitimer regretted that, whilst. the Legislature thee ibishilities on Catholics. agreed to a measure of conciliation, it should be accompanied by Mr. PANIC presented Petitions from four parishes in the county another nirasere calculated to alienate the hearts and exasperate of Ogtord, against Kainmeipation. the feelings of the people of Ireland. He respectfully submitted Mr. FELLOW ES presented a similar Petition from Ramsey, that it was goody unjust to admit Peers,and Gentlemen to seats in the county of liontiogdon. in the Legislature, whilst the rights of the people were to be seed- Mr. O. Mt /OR it presented Petitions against Concessions to the Geed. The Noble Lord said, that thotigh he presented ail Pei; Catholic. from It unsay, in the county of Hertford; from Al- dun he should certainly vote for the Bill. He had strong objee tkrotto ; at.other front the Gentlemen of the county of Clare. in dons to it, and was rather for ortending tha &curtailing the tights supp.irt of the Freeholders' Qualification Bill; and two other Pe ol the people; but neves Melees he shou'd support the Bill Ottani from the Smiths and Brewers Of Dublin against the Catholic rather than run the hazard of risking the measure of Roman Ca- Relief 11614 tbolic relief. If there were any grosuds fur charge against the Irish ttr BELL presented two Petitions from Nine Banks and forty shilling freeholders, it arose from the vic e of the system. musher place in the county of Northumberland against Enisaci- —ln his opinion the Irish forty shilling Freeholders had done . worra. themselves immortal homer, and had done their country real good. sksonind SOTHRRON presented seven Petitions from places Still there were some persons who considered the Matrambieentent In tit- mentor .4 Nottingham against the Catholic Claims. of the forty shilling freeholden necessary. An lion. and Learned tile. DENIS4)N said. that to use of the Petitions there were Gentleman, whom be did nut know whether he should yet call his the misneiast etwerskrerkses who bad neither signed it our au- Majesty's Attorney General. or only the Honourable Member for theorist-4.'441w else to do so. He thwaght this was a urcum- Plympton (Sir C. Wetherell), thought awhile& of securities. The malice whicliOled tar the interference co the House. D e admitted il tttttt terabit and learned Gentleman might have said with Sir that she l'iwittensi - were entitled to respect. because they contained John Falstaff, " I had as lief a fellow would offer to put rushing the untioulatest *ilium of many rs h pectablo persons who signed in my mouth as to stop ate with security ;" but though such might them, be the opinion of the lion. and Learned Gentleman, others con- The gPEAK F:11 called on the Hon Gentleman who presented sidered this measure of elitfranchistatent desirable as a security; the Petition to &tate. betorr the Petition w a s br o o d 's' up, as far as and in deference to their opinion, and fur the sake of the *tomt it,' knot ledge enabled him, whether the Petition coutaiued the panying measure which, as had been well observed by the Member name. o auy remiss who had neither signed thentselvcs, nor au- for Wancliihea (111 r. Brougham), " could nut be paid too dearly inverse:el other. teassieli for them in their presume? for, betause it was inestimable,' he (Lord klurpeth) gave the Bill Atlneral SOTIIKRON bad inquired into the matter, and was his support. intorti.ed abet certainly the Petition untamed the names of three Atter a tew words from Mr. C. PELHAM, which were in persons who had not Motel nor were present when their names audible in the gallery, the Petition was ordered to be printed. were sthSed to it. Ifo.wevcr. the a. moo* who signed for them Lord C. MANNERS presented a Petition front tho parish of weer hutitoriseet by their waves. The Petition cuutained Selma' St. Andrew, Cambridge. against any further Concessions to the re.pectuld, statues. For himself. not latvisikbeen couserned in the Roman Catholics. prals o irsotuts ut the Petitin, he did put conceive himself remote- fdr. It SMITH presented a Petition from a parish In the obit• tor the iiresul .rittes ut others. Queen's Comfy in favour of Catholic Emancipation. The SPEA KKK tii eiainied the idea of casting any imputation lin: Petitions were severally ordered to be printed. sit the thilinUe.ble Geis , kniais. in CMS.' TIVIICC ut his waist of know. re 4 ge DDI the Cleciini.lanee. in que.ii.Al not lie had inquired into morn& strimitatoo DILL. ..._e motio n thew. It w.... I ever. preetoneei that ilensouranle Members On . 11 went through a Committee, and the Report was ordered to be peaty Mr ' Secretary PEEL, the militia Sasliwnilatt prewise.d peskiest', in the cos.lides.ce that the signatures were pro. Be peaty seuisoncd. iii:cunettlesed It tweets., yto state here that, received on Monday next. though there was no rut. of the Home against receiving peintoos OVSLIEW/1711011 Of VIIIIRNOLOISS (IRILAIIII) SILL slued by Irsis.les, stilt, however, wives may be acquainted with Mr. Secrete.) , PEEL moved the Order of the Day for the the plotted opint Oil of Ms ir husband.; but they could not he re. House temiving itself into Committee on the MIL elgoised Ili t e House a. h.liong any authority to affix to Petinotts On the quehtiemi that the &sham should heave the Chair, • the 'tame. us th.ir husband. .n stow abrencr, and without their loi. el DUNCANNON lose, pursuant tO notate, to unseat. move instruct onv to the Committee. He assisted the Mr. DUCaItA IR preheated a Petition front the ribbon-weavers to to e that he was out one of those who wi-uhl put of Sweetie', Ili the cannot) ut Warwick, cunspi • • g of want of . eitiphoynitsit. mid 'Denying tent,. The II ~,,,, to..hle elentber then i0n. 50 " 1 rward un this ""'imit in opposition to those pr e ...sited Petition. 110111 (Albans and anothet place in Wareich• a ilk whom he sisua.ly acted. and with a certainty that elitre again.. ConetritiCsi to the Catholics. the Bill a ostid be ca reed against him, for the sake of Mr. lit'lLilitAll o ti loco:atm a Petition front the Unitarians . any ti o . en a y poi u Jetty which I ecou d obtain. Af el of Nantwieli in iavoisr i I Concession. Wove! P(/WELL presented severs' Petitions from, m a k s gavot the sw.je t eve', c. n•ideration, he had come to again.' Eneaocipation. . the painful de.i.ion.tbat if the whole of the Measures Mr. CA Itk.W presented Petitions front nine parishes in rho proposed by Miuisters tested on his single vote, he must county 114 Weofurd, prquig Entancipation. give that vote against the Bill now bef re the House The tiarquie ut CHAN DOS presented nineteen Petitions g After all he had Leaid 'toted last night, his decision iO "sabot the Claims of the. Itionan Catholics hum severiel parishes ill the empties of ileirkitighant. Ovoid, Aleriunethshire, keno mottled MI altered ; and I.e should theiefose propose. as bootie. Ayr. Situdielhisel. Wilford, Northampton. Cislllsfvoo, and an jaw uctiou to the Cottio•ittee. ' that they should pre. O. wit • hood also a Petition trout Gla-gese to the same effect. serve t h e f anctsise to the le . l &amide freeholder, and Mr. W. DUN DAS resented a Petition front the Corporation . . destiny only the Isctstious treeholdeis. An Honourable of likenin toe City et Reiniburgh. is layout of Catholic Ramo elatiou ; sod um i tritsti the Corporatiou of Smiths and Alsiio4ll Member had stated, that lie would support the Bill be 'soonest it. cause dot franchise WAS injurious to the freeholds:S. If Mr. SLANEY presented a Petition in favour of Catholic there was a ciotested elec.inn in Wesumnstes, one hail P.m., cipattuu of 'h wlien canvassed, would say Mr. CHAPLIN presented seven Petitions from parishes in the ose "hu had 'Meat county of Uncoils, praying that ato further Coueemium might bet that by voting for either party they would ruin them 'rooted to tit Itontan Colman:h. si loco and tutu families; but that could not be a suffi Alter mime uhsetVatiolis from Sir WILLIAM lIIGILOY, Mr. STABS. tient ground for di.lioncialsing the electors of We..- Mr. Team tioM Air. liaartscoss, and Sat it Hamm, as to the tn -1131..51et ; nor was it sufficient to say that because the o-rtetence of the Clegg) its getting up those Petitions, and the ge neral teehng ut she county ut Lincoln being in layout of the seer Irish freeholdeis we re soinetinie. brought into collision Motes lit tiioistrrs, and a tee words in reply by Mr. Catania, with illicit land ords in the eseicise .4 then banclsise, cu'untl SI LIT IIOIIII K laid—sir. baying understood th a t the tha. that trauchi.e should be taken rom them. He cos Member tor the Limos yof Lincoln had neater some allusions to my- A A that lOW MU the pl efelit ilielibille was a petiol enaciossitt, skit rev. sting the Petitioo a inch I havv had the tumour or prehrut- - isle to lb, Howse " on the. county at . u t ,,, ta against t h e C at h o li c directed adoinst th .se counties which i ad ezerci eJ the Claims. during the time I bad absented myself tor a taw minutes franchise sit a n 1411141 tildl. had appears I ohjectiona . .le, unty from else House, and that the Hun. itarialiettead 'Nerved, that to some Honouratile Members, and, what.-ser might it would have been as well it I had beets iu the House. &here I he the con,eq..ence to the other measures of his iiiisht to be, I sh Is beg to state, that I believe, during the period 1 b...., had the honour of a teat in 'hie Meow, I have been as regular, opposition to the vest..e.ess, pr. •sent, h had resolved, ue h I as constant. and as Steady. in thy attendance, is soy Memorable to uppo e it. A. t . Use ten p and beeh..ids they w ul.l Memnerut it; and 1 au think, and shall say. it world have bees be still a di fit/ours ft anclitse, and as liable to baud. as' Inure correct and noire liberal us the part of the lien. Baronet it the Ch. treeholders had ever been liable to. He was he bad made those obter ... ,eations during the tune I was in my place. h were perctly ready to cli.ciurady all who were not really With regard to the Petite. mere, I shall beg to state that they snot reelected. ; and I rather believe that the Hon. Baronet has treebuidera to the amount of 40.. a new registry being br,is led to set in the manlier to has dour by Maw feeling ol disc had for the put puce of -eparatiog the teal born t . e fie apphin,meoi,and in this opinion I ant maturated by a couvermtion titious ; and upon the resolution wh.ch he intend. d to attune souse Petitnsii that is to come from the aeighbourbotod, nay. Mi es lie was deteribileb l to take the sense of the House.- front the spot and parish of which the Hon. Baronet is principal proprietor' which I rani.' wish may come through the liemourablo Hi L tdship couthlued by moving— baronet . hands. as it is one diamattwanY oPP"the to that line 01 '' That it be an instruction to the Chanlitteit on the Qoalificatitm conduct which the lion. Baronet has pursued ; it is in oppeation, of Freeholders Bill, that they have power to render it applicable to as I believe, to the measures that are endeamiored to lit forced open a due ezercise of the elective franchise by forty "billing freeholders, the pe o ple ut England. W ith regard to the Petitions now iii course by preventing a fraudulent and fictitious registry ; and to preserve W presentation to the House by my Hon. Friend. the whet Lion. to the people of Ireland their right of voting ter eepresentatims is Member for the comet, of Lincoln, I shall beg to bear my tea alum, Parliameist as at present by law established." to the great respectability at the signatures. lam glad to see um. Mt. LEN NA RD seconded the motion He was at signed by the lissoiserame the Champion of England, who has given Ibis strong proof of his meat to that diethiction by this ez .6. moon a I urine, ppoie.. to any thing that looked Ike a for ts his attachnowns, is ch.stopstni of Protestatision. to his King, his f i toe of vested tights. On former occasions, when wouldt). Ma is ligl", and her laws, at a Pet" wh-u "'eh one re vested rights wee inset f red with, solemn and deliberate cusoonntistory.—.The Petitious weee ordered to be printed. re instituted; fin instance s in the cases of Mr. libsit 1640 N presented a Petition Irons an individual pm Ist vein let w' musing primes ty in the mutely of Muldiewx. and resitting in the V 4 tub' Pew yis, and others. city ot Rotterdam, in mood of the Catholic Claims. MI. LEcILIE FOS I Mt observed, that they on his Mr. MALCOLM preheated Petition from two parishes in the al e of the kios.,e had etiffieirties to overcome an !otitis vanity of Argyle, *gamin that no further enneestions might be fur those two measuies—difficoltits fully as great as slanted restbe Ronson Canaille.. Mr. MACH prtheuted eeisnilar fatitiewfmts a pariah in the those of which Min Members opposite had eimplat h ed. comity at Pleriedk. The great teconin costa ion of that Bail was, that it ten isic. JEPIISUN prosentesio ?Leith* front Wititechurch, in the dereu the Lotman Catholic Relies Bill acceptable; but county ut 'Cork. waist Me elistrasochnentent of the tes. tree. though the latter had never been introduced, the pre. Motile's. The measure for the disfranchisement of the 40s. free ssiowese was squaw s" .s t s , math importance t h at it was tot mat i sent would have been a good measure to if.elf. If the every mail ohoold note up bis maw on it; and when be (Mr. proposition ol the Noble Lutd were adopted, it would Jephoin) saw that this SO was ateunspanied by another measure practically leave things as :Ley were in Ireland. H, or still (seater impuetance, however be might object to the distrait tad had communications situ moie t than one Roman e w il . i t st h r g ti c t w w mp tte n 4o4. 44 f rn techolder bedsere b s, y he voi c i m ns id ag n a t i t t e mt is t as he ar Di d rte success Ca t holir poss e s s ed of cotssideroble landed property in mesa Bit. He was convinced that the other 11111 would secure Isetand, who fully approved the means now propoud the tranquillity of Ireland. dad there was a° "vie* lett between fur puutno the electise boutlase iii Iselaud upon a sac so beneficial a uiea.ure and the distrancnimanut ut even a large tisfactoi y footing, mid he bad ipso reason to believe that pommies of the frechokkva. The Hots. Mendes cosichoial by it met the requisitions of the gneatest Brunswickets.— preoutais a Petition from Whitechurch, county of Cole, against the Irish Fretitulden Qualification MM. He strenui.usly urged the house not to hitter away the only real security with which the Relief Bill was ac companied. Su FRANCIS BURDETT would not support the Bill then bcote the House had it not been acorn, allied' with the greater mea we of Catholic relief. He had, hereff , re, nothing to du with it as considereJ by itself. He looked upon it as part of a tea croopiomise. the object of which was to reconcile the Protestants of Ire land to those me .sates of concession with :aspect to the Catholics which justice and exptclie.fey demanded. The measure of relief would be incomplete if it did rosthing bin give satisfaction to the Catholics alai e. To be 61* it must quiet the scruples and apprehensions of the Protestants. The arguments fun .ded upon the ab stract principle he could not but regard as pertectl) childish, and he totally repudiated the id. a that they were doing evil in coder that good might come of u; they W ft me rely granting a great e quivalent 1..1 a great goad. rite Right Hon. Gent. had been ex• tensely fstio. nate in being able to convect a memos* bich vrosasised lair to give .864 action to both pasties. He sepe ,ted that as an abstract measure he sieves would have consented to •he Jisfranclisemen. of try forty shillinA freehold. But since his Majesty's Ministers had taken the liberal course that they had done in bringing for thtm- Ave. the measuie of Catholic Emancipation. he thought that the Will InCbt fisends of the Lush people would •e , justified in supporting the Government sat the Bill now betme the House. fie thought that the manner in which the Right Hon. Secretary for the House DT:sachem had brought for ward the measure of Ensancipa ion could nut be too highly c..mniended. It might indeed be said of him— Nil win taadasidum, set disk sat sensit sat tech. to the is CAMe brf re t' em. The Pi otestant P. t tines played fir the di , franchise.orm of the fatty +Wing ireel olders. and a majority of the Hoe. Meinikto ua his side of the House voted in 1825 for A measure ton,.ded on the s4frie prikciple% es the present. With respect to the mafiosi y of Lend Hol , , which had been cited. and of .boract principles of law as ma t-r of ie• fescue. tl.ey could sot be adopted without f.• lowi n g them on to their es remocon equerices; and in that way would b..• driven to treat Iteth Id pion eges a% fin ever inviolable H held with ti e late Major Cartwiigi hat the Statute of H. nir y the S Zlh was the great gloom I evil to the Constitution, tah•ch must be ab..bshed be. fore elictive right. could I e placed on a prop,: footing. - He looked forward to the pe , sod when the sincere oppo. Cots of the (swam, of relref would regard Weir hos. olity to it as a to . porde,' delusion, and would con. Atli a le tl.entselves on their disappoiutinent. His mg the Hill now I,efore them had eels espiessed la 4 sli g ht by the Honourable Member Jur tt:r of balminess. About thin- weeks ago h d be a a union in that House of all the pe. 101 , 1 disposed to totemic, conciliation in lielanJ. Th.t union was such as to ptesent a formidable fount to ai l power that should encou Are it ; an I he W 4, persuaded that nothing had occurred that could lead fins, to doubt • tkr becus .17 of that u..ii n. ()oder its protecting. may he was talq. %Durand confident in his espectations of the succes. of the vela mew um. The 51.1 ni, t ht of t h e t n• tioduttion of that mea•us e his Hon. Fai nd the Member for Winci.ilsea (Mr. Bfoug•-ain) had made a declaia. .ion in favour of tie eel 11.11. To th .t decimation, in spirit and subvatite, he (Sir J. Macintosh) h 44 (.4.. hes ed. and he would not sa el ve one syllable loom it; but w old cootribute his leeole but sit crie support to he attempt to cattily through A 11.1eAtutt oliifh had for its. . * • bjet.t the establishmeist of peace at.cf riaotithlii , y.isi • ~ Ireland. Mr.. BUTLER CLARKE dr isght that it it were possible to assemble all the•lorty shilling treeho•dersat Ireland, and to stn e to them that their Emancipation was ab.•ut to be granted, they would say, if they were asked, that they would willingly consent to the fnr fertute of their franchise, since the only thing which rendered their votis of value would have been o'atained. There was only one ground upon wh c►r he should object to the passing of the Bid at this moment, and t►rat was, nut upon the ground of any thi .g ohjetionable in the Bill itself, hut t • the position in which it stool with respect to tie Bill fur Catholic E erancipation. It should be observed that this Bill was a stage in advance of the Bull of Emancipation, and wa old. constarently. be passed before it. Now he was decidedly of opinion th at the measure if disfranchisement s►rould not pass into a law unless it was accompanied with the measure • I Emancipation; he thought, in coder to provide against auy'unto wind event v hich might occur to prevent the passing of the latter, that the Bill now helot? the House should be so drawn up as to prevent its cooling into opera ion until the measure of Emancipation was ac tually pa sed. Mi. Secretary PEEL said he would set the Hon. Member's inlaid at rest upon that poiot,for it was owing entirely to an accidental circumstance that t. e nyttinia for going into Committee upon this Bill had taken pre cedence of that upon the Catholic Mimi Bill. which was fisted tor Monday nett. He begged to state, hod ever, that the actual re c•.mmittal art this Bill would not cake place until atter the other measure had been passed through the House., He begged to assure the Hon. Gentleman, so far as the honour of the G•overunrent was concerned. that *eery endeavour wound be made on their part to prever.t tie evils which existed in Ireland. and that no attempt would be made to pass t. e r.ne Bill unless it were accompanied with the ot►rer. Mr. FRANKLAND LEWIS said nothing could •are induced turn to deprive t•re Irish people of the riaachise which they enjoyed, sinless he saw Lott they were about to be reliaved from the disabilities under which they had laboured for su long a time. 'Dos placed , the question on in entirely different footing, and he, theiefore. should not object that the Bill should now pass into a law. Ile thought, indeed, it Emancipation wire granted, that the lbeallialt now before the Howe would have a strong tendency to the improvenr. rat or the condition of the lower orders in Ireland, and would, ouneoves, have the important effect of preventing that di • i,ion of land which was acknowleged on ail hands t • be so prejudicial to the interests of the country. Dr. LUSHINGTON disapproved of airy is easore that went to deprive a people or an acknowledged right, obesely because that right had been exercised in a man ner which those who enjoyed it believed to be fitting and just; and he would console that people by saying, it you have lost much you have pitted more. On this ground he believed the measure would be approved of Leland. On the principle of reciprocity, the.efore. he would support the mum., but not as in any way co•rnected wish the subject of reform. Mr. S. RICE had approved of the principle of this measure long before the recent cor•trsted elections in Leland, to which reference had been mad.•. It was, however, to the time when this mess's.e was brought , forward that lie 'objected, and not to the measure Lail. There were. moreover, some details of the incasing he she old feel hiturelf bound to oppose. fb. Ai qui • ofGR.AHAM tnought this measure so necessary as a muni..ipat r:egulation in Ireland, chat he could not but give it his hearty support—(Huai). It was not considered as unjust err Irelaud, tor they hurl heard no complaint • fit from that quarter. Lord MILTON considered the measure as one in tended to give the best possible constituency to Ireland. • 'fins was the only justifiabie point of view in which it could be consider ed. He must confess. at the same tunic. that he did not like the manner iis which it was faced upon the House.. The Noble Lord concluded by saying that, although it was paying a large price to the attainment of their ohjecystill, as that object was - 14 such great importance, he would not vote against the Bill. Lord 6. BENTINCK had Attended to all that . had • been advanced us, the subject; but he had not yet heard any satisfactory reasoies why the measure for the relict of the Cathodes cools' not be carried without the iidditi a e•I the sue before the House. He save the Right Hon. Secretary for the Home Depaitnient eget y credit for ut piocteding on light go ends in the i. Duck/enure of A Mt Amite which proposed to t lie away the hbeities of four handled th•ossisa. l of his Majesty's subjects, as se. • cuseo to . them by M•gn. Chart.. ; but these groun,ls were yet to be ezplatieed. Fos his own part, though no Member of that House felt more waists!, leeward* the Cath.l.c cause, still he could riot comet t to mai po•t tile Bill unites consideration. He would openly avow, and ertiaps he would be winery in that Aro al, that rather than sacrifice men by robbing them of Viers bie delight —fatties than dewier a lar„e body os I.is Majesty'. ' suhjesa t , of their liberties, rights, a d ft:Anchises—he wood' risk the whole, and take his eon. e of g g the other rue isure Such au Act he c teed not but con si..er one of the moo t &grout injustice And unseat laii - able spoliation. Lord HOW ICK said, that if he had only agreed to the proposed measti•e lair t!.. sake ((accusing t:.e other great measure by winch it was accempanied, he should not feel it hi. duty to trouble the House upoi, the pre. sstit occasi..o. lir, however, was bound to declare his approbation of the Bill now before the House, on gtouuds peculiar to itself. These were some pail- of the Bill to wheal he had an objection ; but the whole measure had his decided approbation. The Ip. pasha. n A hsch he cafes tanned to theatre-ore was nut so much to the principle itse I as to the machines, by which • it was to be enforced. He thought that the system of freeholds was not well calculated to ascertain the is.ro ties w'oo were beet qualified to vote in the elec:ioa of Members of Pal halogen. The holder of a lease for a Ng' term of year. was DA eutie led-to-a ve ie teluiegif be eater po.aesa a u.uch more consider able it.terest than the holder of a lease for hie. When altering the present system of the elective franchise, these circuses tames ought to be taken into consideration. If the object was to ptudy the elective franchise, the House ought to show that they orally rote' booed the design which they Professed to " mite:tam. The forty shilling freeht.iders of I.eiand had, be admitted, produced great effects by their conduct: at the late election. in that country ; bat ho.btlieved that *hen the gie..t atea,uie now in progress should have been conducted to a socceasful issue, theiorty *billing fieeholders would resuin to the state of servile depen dence upon their landlords ib which they had los merly existed. An Hon. and LeartiedGentleireau had treated with scout the notion of supporting the present Bill on principles of reform; but he (hand Howick) was cert. vine, d that to extend too widely the right of electoig Membets to that House would be Anemici with the effect of giving an undue influence to property. Sir ROBERT WILbON said, that as he had not hitherto taken any part in the discussion el this mea. awe, he was anxious to say a few words upon that tic. canon. He regretted that his Noble Fliesid. she Mem ber CH Likenny. had ti rown his shelf into their camp, as the Meilallie had for its object to end the whims %which existed between conflicting sects to Deland—to the bus thews of the State...end strengthen the State by the •iidmittiou of sax millions of geoeiou. people. He (Si' R. Wilson) had sieves expected that so great a boon could be obtained without some sacri fice. Whvn the measures now before the Hoeise bed been only intimated generqlly in his Majesty's Speech, they had sweat, its con;idertitsto of the great be. utfius to be thrived from the general principle of concession. to give the Lord Lieutenant i f Leland that extraordinary power with which lashed been iu-, vested. He admitted that the effect Of the present Bill ould be to contract the stiffrage• but be could not yelp recollecting that this and * the measure •of relief must stand or fall together. and he did not see what advantage would be gaines: to the cnni.cry if the foxy shilling treeh. Iders should be preserved, whilst belga. - would tie consigned to a state of misery whicb'would induce every honest Irishman to execrate the name of . England. The cheers which lie had heard sit House when a recommendation bad been made to renew • in Ireland the Kean which bad these taken place in 1798. be believed were the consequence out of wanton ness or wickedness. but of ignorance. For himself he should consider himself as • Heeds bummed tennis" if be meld joie io the cheers. as be bad bate himself a whiten it the Wenn which reek place la Ireland in that year. So coovionsl was be of the beselicial nature of the measere.tliat if this wasteeo • the last veer he timid weer give in that House he should be happy to coaseamme his his by giving his apron IP the Pat measure at the of Ireland. Mr. '1 RANT would oppose the Bull. He was of opi• Won that it would INK create any tranquillity Is Irsland.but dearer the bale that was. He could sot give his malaise to this distrait chisemmat Bill. se it would teed to drive thousands of poor people from their homes. He would not trespass Wave as the House. es it appeased se impatient. but be hoped it 'would go forth to the country that the Hoo. Memben were determined not to bear ow word of argument but on one side of the question. Lord A LTHORP supported the Bill as a part of the groat oat sure of Ilasaacipatioa, for be understood the Right Hoooorable tientkman to have said that on carrying the present Bill the ler patent measure of Emancipation depended. Of that swanks of the Right Honourable Gentleman be had no doubt. He demist that the conduct of the supporters of this meanie was Jesuistical. lye supported lion the ground that Emancipation with tWs awe. Sir JAMES MACINTOSH considered this a area sme too the pACIfiCALIOD of behind, and the practical union and chnsohdation of the two Winds. With respect to the sacri fi ces made by the supporters of this Bil!, although many Honourable Members would hazard their seats by voting tot ii, he would forbear to men. l coon that; but there was one great sacrifice they would make, which was the attachment cf the genes ous men who had voted for them. This was rattle' a has.rd than a saciefice. and he was persuaded that the people of Leland would reward their Representatives by re doubling their confidence in them. He was of opinion that the measure by which this was accompanied would introduce a legal and practically free government into Ireland. which that country never bad at any time en joyed, and which it bad never less enjojed than now. 'foam bad been three (measures brought before Puha went for the accomplishment of this great and dedi able object; and he considered that it a blow •as struck at Any past of 4he lmric it wouid endanger the whole. He had. therefore, no hesitation in vetiog fur the Bill. Before he came to a resolution upon the matter. he had deeply deliberated, and. cuticesving himselt bound to adhere to hi. detertakation, he would go on— Nesdais sills rarreesara.' Whatever pain he had tell before coming to his deter. minim'', he should not speak of it afterwards. He thought all patties in that House would have agreed L