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4. • . • who was, at theliresent 4ime seeking for a seat in that. House, was the very ktrii . vidual Who had thus es pre,se-, .himself before the Commission of In qti; r . ! Glair).. The. Hon. Barnuet .concluded by moving, That k be iri inAruction to the said Committee, that a clatt,e be enacted to provide against any Master in Chancery in Ireland being elected as a Membar of Parhament whilst he held that office." The question having been put, • Lot d CASTLEREAGH wished to know if he had , rightly understrod from the Hon. Baronet that he , il:terhied tliis measure to operate prospectively? The c•ratrary of that would be the only ground on which he cold.; be induced to oppose it; otherwise he fully concurred with the Hon. Gentleman. Such an event as he seemed to have in view certainly must be an infr iction on the duties of one situation or the other; for it was quite irppossible, however different the case might be in England, that an individual in the sima tion !e had described could be an effective Member of thw Reuse, and an effective Officer of the Coup at the same, line. Ile perfectly agreed in the principle of the clause, but not in the case of its operating as an cx post facto law. He trusted the clause would be so worded as not to affect those who might already have actet upon the existing state of things. .. Sir J. NEWPORT could see no ground , for con- , finin.. this measure to a prospective operation. If there sh..uld be any Member in that House whom it would affect, he did not see how any one could feel any re ret at it. How, indeed, could a Master in Chancery, who had sworn to do his duty in . that sta tion, take upon himself a new situation which- might occupy six months annually of his time, whilst the duties of his first office required that he should de vote ten months to their due performance ? He must either leave them o be done by others in his absence, or neglect them altogether; and he did not think 1 , such a character deserved much consideration from the House—(Hear). The object of his motion was, tahave a person in the situation of holding these two offices at the same time, to take his option of retain ing or giving up either of them. Mr. SHAW was of opinion that this clause would, if adopted, operate most injuriously towards Mr. Ellis, the Master in Chancery, who, it was probable, had by this tune been returned for Dublin. it would sender his election void, and nothing could be more unfair, even towards the citizens of Dublin, than to subject them t.• another scene of irritation, after a contest that had provoked more of party feeling than had been known ►here for many years. Mr. ABERCROMBY said; the question for the House to decide upon was, whether they would affor all the suitors in the Court of Chancery in Ireland that chance of obtaining attention to their suits, uhich no one bad ventured to deny they had a right to ask. Mr. Ellis, one of the Candidates for the City 01 Dublin at the present moment, had him self declared, that the •duties of his office required that he should oevote to them ten months of each year. How then could any one have the face to start up, and ask. for any consideration for him? The Hon. Gentleman said, that he asked it in behalf of the Citizens df Dublin, but he (Mr. Abercromby) plead ed in behalf of all the inhabitants of Ireland, who were tb,he, deprived ..f their just rights, in Gruet to indulgo,tbe personal ambition of an individual. Sir M. W. RIDLEY said, that Mr. Ellis might have the option of continuing in office if he thought proper, bX vacating his seat, and leaving it to Lhe Citizens of Dublin to choose a Representative of the same sentiments; or, should he prefer it, to give up his office for his seat. Mr. BUXTON K ished to know from the Noble Lord, if, after having admitted that the duties of a Master in Chancery and a Aleniber of Parliament' were incompatible with each other, he would con- sent to Mr. Ellis being dismissed from his office,' should he be returned ? Mr. CANNING said, his Noble Friend (Lord Castlereagh, did not mean to object to the prnposi tion that a Master of the Irish Court of Chancery should not sit in that House. He apprehended, that all he meant by wishing the measure to act in a pro spective manner only, was, that in the event of a e as e arising in which an' individual , holding the' situation of a Master in Chancery, should be elected after the passing-of this Bill, he might be allowed to have the choice , of giving up whichever he might think fit. In the case of the Dublin Election, it would be seen that by excluding all Masters of Chan cery from the capability of being elected, the effect would be to render the Election null and void. But Af the clause made it optional, the Election would bold good the decision of the Member should be given—Wear, hear). Sir JOHN NEWPORT said„the object of the clause be should propose in the Committee would be to the effect—" That it be enacted that no person appointed to the office of Master of Chancery in Ire laud, should be allowed to hold a seat, or give a vote i in that House, so long as he held that office." 111 r. CANNING—But the Election is to h e goo d? Sir J. NEWPORT Yes, the Election is to be good. Sir GEORGE HILL said, it was the first time :arch a thing had ever been proposed to that House, as to pass a Resolution which should have the effect of concluding an Election then pending, for this was the light in which he viewed the Honourable Baro-, nr,t's proposition, and he bad meant to ask him, whe ther he had not better extend his proposal to the effect d:at Mr. Ellis should give up the contest for the City of Dublin in favour of Mr. Grattan ?—(Crits• of No. !)--With all his humble might and power he protested against this Resolution, going, as u did,, to disqualify a Gentleman from sitting in that House, after he had gone so far P into an animated and diffi cult contest. He maintained, that to pass such a Re solation ith this Election pending, would be an out rage upon the Constitution, and upon every principle 01 fairness and candour. Sir JAMES MACKINTOSH said, he did not rise to make many observations en this subject. lk f!lould not inquire how it might be consistent with, t h e c o sfstiartion, with fairness and candour, or even with common sense, that a man should occupy two situations, which he himself declared to be incompa tible with each other—(Hear, hear).—The Honour able Baronet (Sir Georg e 1611) complained that no notice was given to hisl.tarned Friend that he would not he allowed to hold these two situations. In ad mitting'the truth of this assertion, he must, however, remind the Honourable Baronet, that that I.earned Gentleman had not omitted to give them notice that ..:, it was The ' %vault (Oar i4lea ing ten —(Cheers] possess .... -...‘raordinary ity, - . they told from the mouth of theLeanied Gentleman him self; thathe ought not, under the commonest prin. ciple of right or propriety, to do that'which he was, now doing, and which be found advocates in that House to plead in justification of. He could not con template for one moment, that the, flouse wawa c.. dure such a state of things. So shameless a principle,. if it even deserved the name of principle, had never before been propounded to that House, to call upon them to sanction that a man should neglect the most sacred duties he owed to his fellow-countrymen and 'to mankind. In conclusion, he must say that such a proposition was the most absurd and monstrous that was ever offered to any public assembly—(Hear). Lord CASTLEREAGH declared that he had no intention of wishing to affect the pending Election. It would be open to the Committee to take cat e either that the measure should or should not affect it. After a few words from Mr. CALCRAYT, Mr. WYNN, and Sir GEORGE HILL, the motion was agreed to, and the House resolved itself into a Committee in which the Bill was gone through, the blanks filled up, and a number of slight alterations made. On bringing forward the clause on which the debate had - taken place, Colonel BARRY and Mi. DALT opposed it, and Doctors Pnittaistota and* LUSHINGTON supported it, on. the grounds pre viously stated. Mr. NOLAN said, that in his opinion, whatever were the merits of the principle, the bringing for ward the proposition at present, and, with reference to present circumstances, was disgraceful to P.tr• liament. Suppose the clause affected a Member who , had already taken his seat—what would be thought of any measure to disqualify him ? Yet this was a similar case, and seemed directed against an indivi dual, though brought forward opportunely as 1 general principle. Mr. Ellis might, however, have friends who would do his Chancery duty for him while necessarily absent; .and if not, had not the Court of Chancery its own remedy against him if he neglected his duty? As an ex post facto measure, and personal in its application, he could not but, think the present one of the harshest and most unjust ever offered to the House. Mr. R-MARTIN was in favour of the clause. If one Master in Chancery was eligible to be elect* why might not all the others be chosen? and thee, 'for ten months, the business of the Irish Chancery would stand still. . Mr. WILLIAMS spoke on the same side. Colonel BARRY observed, that the incongruity between the two offices was not found out last year, when the Bill went through the Commons to. the Lords. Mr. Ellis had bought the place for 100.000 when it was saleable, which by law it waspo longer. —He could riot have contemplated that holding it' would shut tin] out from Parliament, and yet this • would have the effect of legislating upon vested tights in his person. Sir JOHN NEWPORT and Mr. MARTIN explained. / Mr. NOLAN noticed, that in all other Disqualifi cation Bills their operatioil did not date till the Par liament after they were agreed to. . Sir JAMES MACKINTOSH supported the clause, as reo.edying an evil, now for the first time presented. Mr. WROTTESLEY said, that sitting in Parlia ment was not an office, but a trust, and that trust was between Mr. Ellis and his constituents. The principle of this night's argument was carried too far. Itmight be applied to Officers in the Aimy and Navy, and greatinconvenience be introduced. Mr. BARING said, the difference was that Mr. l Ellis's office *as permanent, and required - constant attendance, while Officers in the Army and Navy, though abient for a period, might return to their farlianentary duties entirely. - Sir JOSEPH YORKE observed, that Officers of the Army and Navy had no suitors whose interest* depended on their attendance. Lord PALMERSTON stated, that the general principle of exclusion from Parliament was directed against offices under the influence of the Crown, with which thepresent case had nothing to do. But it was proposed on the ground of other duties which Mr. Ellis had to perform. Where was this to stop? The same rule might be made to apply to Officers, of the Army -or Navy serving abroad. Was the House then ready to admit a principle which would imply inquiry into the public or private duties by which any of its Members might be prevented from attending? This would be.a dangerous precedent.. Mr. M. FITZGERALD was for the clause. Lord CASTLEREAGH thought that the measure should not be retrospective,, but admitted the princi ple as fit to be supported by an Address, which it would jse difficult for, any Minister to advise the Crown to reject, looking to Mr, Ellis's own evidence. Mr. ABERCROMBY detailed the important functions of a Master in Chancery, and thought that they were inconsistent with a seat in Parliament. Mr: FOSTER stated, that during the time haired sat in Parliament, he recollected that it had been discyssed, whether persons of a religious profession should hold seats in that House? It had been deter mined that they should not; but with the express proviso that that decision should not affect those who had seats at the time, nor during that Parliament. Mr. MACDONALD stated, ,that the case of Mr. Home Tooke, alluded to by the Right Hon. Gentle man, was ve nt different from the present, as Mr. Horne Tooke injured nobody by siting' in Parlia-, mem till As close , whilst any Master in Chan cer y, who should neglect the functions of his office for a seat, might occasion.much inconvenience and injury. A Mamma stated, that if Mr; Ellis were elected, and allowed to sit in that House, be should:think it his duty to move an Address on the subject. • The clause having been agreed to, - Colonel BARRY proposed to add another clause, preventing any person who'should have been elected . previous to tire paving of this Act, from being af fected by its operation. After a few words from Mr. V . Ihrgenafixn and I , fraw certain clauses out of that Bill. The two first Were those which related to Fines and Recoveries, and to Marriage Registers, Marriage Licences and Certificates. This he should do on the principle, that offences connected with those matters, amounting to personation and forgery, ought to come into one ge neral Act, and that he intended to propose such an Act nest Session. The other clause which he wished to omit related to Convicts returning from transporta- Ilion in cases in which the Revenue had been de frauded, as he did not see why any difference should be made between such convicts and others. Those were the'only. three clauses which he was desirous of withdrawing ; on the rest he should take the sense of the ifouse.--Se*eral clauses were then agreed to ; and on that for removing capital punishment in cases . where cattle had been maliciously maimed orsvoun Mr. CHETWYND expressed his apprehension lest the removal of capital punishment fot such offences should lead to their being more frequently commit ted. He therefore suggested the propriety of leav ing it to be inflicted at the discretion of the Judge. ik J. MACKINTOSH observed, that as tile Bill had been tsUkase before the House, being twice carried in silence, and witit II Majority of two to one in his favour, he could not be masted to offer anything new upon the subject at present; but he Mt it necessary to repeat, that nothing could be farther keen his Intention, than to cast the slightest imputation upon the Judges, because be felt, from the conduct of those exalted Magistrates, that no imputation could freely attach, nor did he hum to take away from them any discretion but that which they never exercised. From the manner then in which the Judges generally exercised their discretionary power, he could not think it necessary to prescribe the limits recommended by his Honourable Friend. Sir J. YORKE observed, that as the Honourable and Learned Gentleman avowedly took up these measures in imitation of the example of, Sir Samuel Romilly, be ought to recollect the fate of that Gentleman's propositions in the other House, and not to pursue a course on this occasion, which, however creditable to his heart, did not appear creditable to his head. Sir J. MACKINTOSH felt persuaded that the adoption of his Honourable Friends Amendment would not serve to re commend this HU to a more gracious reception in the other Home of Parliament. The Amendment waswot pressed. The House resumed, and the Report was ordered to be brought up on Monday. The Capital Felonies Repeal Bill was also committed, and ordered to be reported on Monday. Mr. MABERLEYbrought up.the Report of the Committee oo the Linen Bounties Act. The Resolution, underwent considerable discussion on thepart of Mr. ILthaatzr, Mr. F. Rottman, Sir G. Hui., Mr. 1117114 Mr. Fonaw. Sir R. Ftheasso. ' Mr. Husentsos, and Mx. Rs. 00.1b0 • i the lest Resolution was a read second time. The second and third Resolutions were negatived, and was ordered to be brought in upon the first Resolution. Lord CASTLEREAGH vrve notice that he,would submit a motion on Monday next, with respect to the Mlots on Eked= Committees, the object of which would be to postpone those not Axed for next week till the neat Session. Dr. PHILLI MORE brought up the Report of the Commit tee on the Marriage Act Amendment Bill. Dr. LUSHINGTON moved as an Antendatesn, that the lie, port should be recommitted. Mr. WARREN seconded the Amendment. Dr. Dias* and Mr. p. Git.asse spoki in favour of the re tiothmittal, and after a roily to their arguments from Dr. Pisa. =wiz, the House divided, when there appeared—For *the to. caption of the Report 47—Against k 24—Majority 24. The Report was then received, and the BiS. ordered to be read a third time on Monday. TM House went into a Committee on the Irish Estimate:On which several Resulutioos were agreed to. ' . In the Committee of Supply, a Resolution was proposed, on the motion of Lord Berstein, for a grant of 410,000 for the Ca lidonian CanaL Sir JOSEPH YORKE entered into a review of the progress, in that work, and of the sums already expended in the un dertaking, from which be inferred that it would not answer the expectations originally held out. Lord BINNING expressed a hope that the Honourable Pacer did not intend to atop a work which was already so far advanced, and which was so likely to answer the object for width it was begun. - Sad ALTHORP objected to the grant. Sitli. PARNELL supported the Revelation, and compli. mesthell the teal and ingenuity of the engineer employed. Alm some further observations the Resolution was agreed to. M. C. GRANT proposed a vote of £19,214, for the support of the Protestant Schools in Ireland. Mr. HUME.said..he wished that the system of Education in Ireland was proceeded on in a manner more liberal .and mote agreeable to the increased and enlightened views of the present times. He thought that the public institutions for education should he open to the Catholics as well as to the Protestants. Mr. VESEY FITZGERALD said, that the budtiltioas for public education were conducted on a liberal pdnciple. Catholic as well as Protestant children were instructed, except where lir bequests were left far the exclusive education of children. After a few words from Sir Gaoaor Hats, • Sir IL PARNELL requested that the vote Might be post- pooed for the present. Mk C. GRANT said that the liiscossion on this subket mold be open on the hringing up of the Report. The lieu vote was for a sash of £12,500 for the Board of Works. Mr. W. PARNELL complained that there was no grant for as far the cure of - disorders affecting the eyes. Mr. HOME deprecated the multiplication of these grants. Me thought that such institutions-would be best established and upheld by the activity and aid of the Public. Mr. C. GRANT concurred with the Honourable Gentientan, that private benevolence was the best support that public chari ties could receive. But Ireland was by no means deficient in private bonevelenee. AD. V. FITZGERALD said, that the City of Dublin was ranarhabliebsestill ethers for the extent of its private charities. Mr. HUNLEnha took 'occasion to complain of the grant of &W,OOO to the bah Loan Board. Mr. GRANT mid, that from the lateness of the hoof, as well as this alootoot of his Right Hon. Friend, the Member for Laub, hi wail mot aster into the discussion of the subject then. The Ressliffills were agreed to, the House resu med., and the!' BeEtwis oodalad to be brought up thi s d a y. House mkt Into a Committee on the New Street Nit Mr. HOBHOUSE,aj he held In his hand a Petition against the Bat; the subject might lead to a discussion, and he thought it better not to present it at so late an hour, as another °ppm* amity, be understood, would be afforded to him.—Report ma • Toessioue s r e . l'ho went into a Conn:lines) on the Exchequer Bills Act. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER stated, that MUM two years since two Acts had passed, authorising Com , mhaioaers, by the issue of Roolosrpar Bills, to raise certain suns, to carry on eertaip Mb works, to ?salaam the fisheries, and generally so jitstt maimmeovisist. and amployment to the poor ; a balance of about Cep that NMI mosailedmat piled in the hands et the gbigst waste sp. ply that lam to thivervice of thepoosent yes,: Mr. RICARDO 'debate know wbetber the Exebecrser Bii for this sum were Included hi the Swam of thee-Unfunded Debt R The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said they were, andlhat arrangements were made for discharging them in .October neat... The Report was agreed tot and the Chancellor of the Exchequer gat leave to bring inn Ball fovab approprio. tion of the sum of L'istig,ooo in the manner that Unstated. The CH ANCELLOK of the EXCHEQUER siso not to brill; im a Bill for the bates separation of damaged the tegaiation of Duties on P.par an/ BM wet through a COlSMittee. Tire d on Monday. ,LOR of the EXCHEQUER gave rake. a Committee of Supply, he would =f r. ' propose a vote for. the expenses of the . as he understood the new Lottery lird , which went to fetter the,4iberty of the that those be printed. from the Cosocassos of the Etclustrzt, ' to. ....USHINO - & _IN got leave to bring in a 818 for deals. dithag of the ColonW Accounts. The other Orders of the Dar were they disposed of. sud the House asijourned, soodderably after Two o'Clock. . • THE E`►' . ENING STAR LONDON. SATURDAY, JULY 1, 11/20. THE TUNDS. FIIICZ OF STOCKS THIS DAY XT ONE O'CLOCK : 3 per Cent. Reduced 68% 74 3i per Cent. 77 1 / 4 -4 ?el Cent. 86 86 1 4 5 pet Cent. Scrip. 1 Ye pre. Lg. Anns. 17 13-16 Ys—lndia Bds.2ss. 265. pr. Exchequer Bills, 3s. ss. pr. Omnium 54 pre. Consols for Acct. 70 1 / 4 34 V. The Paris Papers of Wednesday arrived this fore noon.—The dryness of the discussion in the Chamber Deputies, on Budget of Expenditure, was on Tuesday, somewhat relieved by a curious interlude, in which M. BENJAMIN CONSTANT player a princi pal part, The poser of voting the supplies wa ,he obset ved, one of the greatest advantages possessed by the Representative Body ; it enabled them to exacuexplanations and concessions from the Execu tive, which could not be otherwise obtained. The Chamber had now an opportunity of this kind, of which he earnestly wished they would avail themselves They were about to ro t e away arum of 800 millions, and before doing so, he desired that Ministers should be called on to give satisfactory explanations on two points, in which he thought the honour and dignity of the National Representation were deeply concened. First, he wished' to know why the letters of certain Deputies to their Constituents, on the subject rd their legislative duties, had been intercepted, in their s ay through the Post OffiCe, b, &Le agents of Government? And second, wiry the Cenrors of the Press had dared to prohibit the - publication in the journals of a speech . delivered in the Chamber of Pters, and •ordered hy that Chamber to be printed ? M Cox- STANT j ustly remarktd, that if such practices as these e tolerated , thEre was an end ao a free communication teiw - eeti the People 2nd their Repre seatatives, on the'cie!irtictivi ;isequences o f which be enlarged at considerable length. Fie therefore moved, that the debate on the Budget should be sus pended till Mthisters gaie the explanations required. —This motion vows not, - however, seconded, and after some debating, M. Cowsvair said, that satisfied with baying given publicity to the injuries of which be complained, he withdrew his motion.. . The discussion on the Budget was then again adjourned. Accouns. from Majorca state that the plague, which bad broke out in that Island, was extending with alarming rapidity. Palma, the principal town, had insulated itself, by a military cordon, from all :ation with the rest of the Island. A Captain of an English ship arrived at Marseilles from Oran, :'rates, that a squadron of five armed ships had sailed from Algiers abo u t the beginning of Jane for the Northern Seas. . We. find in the Gazette de Frazee, an account of a very curious, if not scandalous. litigation, about to commence in Ole Parisian Tribunals. The complain ant is a Hamburgh Merchant, named JOSIENI Cairn., and the persons against whom he institutes proceed ings are, the Duke of ROVIGO . (SAVARY). Dassse and• SCHULZSIZIS TER , employed under the .Duke in the Police, and BERNARD, Er-Director of Gambling Houses. The accusation* this: In 181 i, the complainant, previously engaged in - contract with the French " Imperial Davy Was solicited by the French General, commandinj; in Hambargli, to discount Bank of England Notes to the amount of £5OOO. He consented, and negotiated the notes, to a considerable amount,' and, by order of the General, deposited the residue in the hands of the Director-General of Police of . Harnhurgh.: The Bank of England Notes all proved forgeriei;iranl CASTEL was obliged •to make. gold al3 ros . ses.--, Hetben came to Paris, received an invitatioirfrons M. DESMAREST, Chief of a division of the Police-ft was politely received—yid requested by Dzerantst ' to state the precise amount of these noses which he had negotiated for the French General. From this. and other circumstances, CAITEL had suspicion of DZSMAREST and the Duke of Rousso, whom he now charges in common with others, with having fabri cated this spurious Bank of England money. lit states where, how, and by whom the forgeries ,weir committed, and even the agents seat to circulate them in England. We have seen for some time . curioiss disputations in the , French Papers, wh ere Duna:env actually was, whether in Franie or England.... French 5 per Cents. Tuesday, Mar. 70 We mentioned yesterday, .eery briefly, the trials 'for High High Treason that had beewinstituttd at Buenos .Ayres, against the Moab's) elate lets qaverarGera r • . MACKINTOSH, the Amendment J.vra ut iwe tied Mina Coffee ; also for tit ras imposOle for him tohola these two situations. Sir J Honourable Baronet (Sir G. Hal) had used ver-x i negatived i githout a division. . ' ... Pasteboard. ' -3- .- : a re Th et I t r ot te a rd on Bar d Words. Ht. (Sir James) had smoker tassem.llol• .. . : ..*'• CRIMINAL LAWS. CHANCELLOR sld rather use bard arguments til soft words 1i...•• ...• Ve theeittiiin of Sir I•MACKINTOII6, the , 1ie10g . ,„ .. , , !err, and laugliter.)-Would thti siesif.nduir the ,viret into Committee' on the rtivatel, YStrialia*, **Pa Monday nest, in g iof perruittinvs person to silitar li themholdt Shope• .0/id the Capital Felo4es 8i115.,-lleporcs ea Elt• Animates of, and .a 7 judieihl °ice, the distills ' :w ' required M 1 day next. °I ' '. o : t ri a :chi.ung,:icrianidat,ion.ths, months °this attendance ie &hilt in each year, : The House - then resolved iritu a Comiiittecion - . ill • * Cheers). The Honourable Baronet said, there was 2iipitol Felonies Commutation Bill, *hen . - ' Press, be ;odd nanw e lises d: to novelty. in this case. It was trues! the case'clid • Sir JAMES. MACKINTOSH stated, that on more After a few words fron sess this extraordinary oee ei ty , ' t h at they weer nature consideration, it was his intention to with- the Matfett was agrced to • 5_..... -..:..._t_ t______ ___.• _r .t..... assn Ts.. ....,.. g..ae Mr. LUSHINGTON . _ . .. • . , .