Star. — London, England, 1829-03-18 00:00:00

'time for. My Hen. Friend has stated, in the came , of his speech, that the question before.tbe Hansel' not a . political, but a mliffious question.. Sir, in all Oomph. me its I have adduced in this House on the subject of thil question I have never claimed to argue it as a reli gions question. I have stated it to be a question of how }-, the character of the Roman Catholic religion went . tc , wa der us professor unfit to be admitted to poll tirel - privileges in a free Protestant c o mmunity? 1 never argued it on any other ground than this—that, considering the difficulty of the case, the state of the country, and the divisions which existed every where, there was nothing but a choice between two evils. And certainly on former occasions I considered the evil of exclusion to be less than that of admission; and if, Sir, have•on the present occa+ion come to a different con clusiorr, it has certainly been from the considerations so torcibly urged by my Right Honourable Friend near me—considerati ins which I will not weaken by repeti tion. I will not, therefore, trouble the House by en feting into a detail of the political evils of Ireland..,— To do so would be merely to destroy the effect of. what has been urged by . my Right Hon. Friend, •without producing a particle of benefit. I Shall not, for the same season, investigate the evils of a nicely balanced P..r, lumens or of a divided Cabinet, but will contvnt myself with mAkihg a few remarks upon some of the objections statedby my lion. Friends in answer to the argument of my Right Hon. Colleague. My . Hon. Friend says that the situation of Irelan• . is not different Com what ,them as to tie weans, though he agreed with them as .te the desirableness of the object theyhad.in view : (Tile Right.uoitourable Godwin.' here, read a letter.fioni?s, Clergystisain Ireland, describing the calamities of the, . .situation in .which he was placed •from the difficulty.ot raising funds to pay fer the repairs of the church). Ti'e measures taken by this House have much diminished. the pcssibility of thegatholics combining to refuse the payment of the dues of the Protestant Clergy.yet still such • combinations can be made ; for the very tribunals, the , very Jury.from whom•the Protestant Clergyman his to seek redress, is infiuenced.against him. These is one thing . to be said on behalf of this measure, that it at least affords the prospect cf tranquillising the public mind. But, Sir, does not. the Church. of Ireland suffer also from . other-causes operating in this country? Does it no • suffer from the division in this House? I beg any man to look at the debates in this House upon that sub ject, and remark who they were that took a promineu.t, part against the Church ti Ireland. They were per. sons professing that religion; and I will ask, if oppo., sition could come fit:fro-such persons, it nut from their aversion to the. course pursued with respect to the Roman Catholics? The difference, on this qurstionbas not only led to division in Parliament and in .the Government, but to a greater activity of opposition to the Established Church of Ireland, and to greater in-. activity in irs defence. It has left it in a state in which it ought not to stand, and from which I think. it will be relieved by this measure. I have not, Sir, acted from a wish not to see the Protestant religion in the piece- . &ht, but from a desire to fix it on a more secute basis, and from.a hope that it may open the way to enlighten ment and general amilioratioii in Ireland, and to that motel anJ religious improvemem. which I trust will, at no distant period, be. visible in that country. I may not lock upon the measure with all the exultation with which it is regarded by some, but I was called up , in to decide whether instant and pressing danger should be encountered, or the hazard run of via. which is di,titn it has been at many antecedent different peeled... This I deny. But I will ask -him, whether the increase of outrage, the continuance of the same evils, may not at las. lead to such a state of things as may make a change absolutely necessary ? My Hun. Friend has refereed to 1822, and has quoted pact of a speech of a Right Hon. Gentleman, then Att Iney-General for Ireland, to prove that the situation of Ireland is not worse now than it was then; but will my Hon. Ft ienti reflect on the occa- 1 sioa, and the period-at which that speech was uttered? The Right Hon. Gentleman was then prosecuting an individual for having belonged to an illegal society, bound by illegal oaths to destroy Protestant property and Protestant lives ;and my Right Hon. Friend repre sented, in powerful language, the unmixed evil of soch a state of theage and called on the Jury ; with that knee l and eloquence a hich belonged to him, to visit the of.' fender with condign punishment. Will my lion. Friend say that it iesuch.a limited evil, for so I may call it, compared with that which we -now seek to put down, as the col tention for the suppression of a ribbon society, that is now before us? Is there, in fine, no change in the-.circumstances of the , case ? Let my flonout able Friend look - remind 'and examine the state of .I:eland ; let• him examine, the clashing istemests taisrd . by this question from the highest to- the lowest class; let him tee one rank-armed against area met ; the landlordagaiost the tenant, the tenant against. the landlord ; the Catholic against the Protestant, and the Pectestaut agsiist. the Catholic; and. all in such a stilts of exa.pented.feeling as to tequirew large.regular military -force to preserve-the peecee-(He ir); This state oftieetthnstanies is far different from that which pre- vailed at any antecedent peeled; and it is this state of cie cunutances which the measure-proposed by' his Ma jesty's Ministers is calculated to remover by the doing. away of the cause that p;odoced it. But, even admit ting to my Hon: Fiiend that.there is-nothing now. in. the state of the countrya doeshe-iltsith; In me repeat it. that these-is no. danger in the -constant action of the, samteevils in 'the growth - of *the discontent• they must. creatv ? Wes he think that the-same evil may not. by. I cootanuatsces. become neole‘danger *us than, when it apposite? Hee mess agree -witleme that if the evil appear init 'state teprogtession. it is necessary to provide against its spread. How, then, can he com plain that- he Gower MOM bat atepped. fotward to put a stop to a state of things which he himself dues nos deny-iv:lowed?' Sr, my Honourable Fiiend' says that , this is a religious question,- and has quoted a par .g•aph from - my !light Honousablei Friend (Mr. Peel), in shish he sentedebat. either. tee- Catholic -or the Proms-. tint 'faith messittaveitre-aseendancy. Sir, I most per. fatly concor with my Right Hon. Fiiend in that Atte. ment—andtsay, Sir,. that.that is my justification for now pursuing the: comae I do, for I insist that the measure now recommended - to - Parliament has for its object to make Protestantism the ascendant faith.— Sir, it hat-been my,fortuee to be- mare iutimately, eons erected with the Churchefrltel and -than pea* ips.any other Member of , this House, and' I must- say that- there has' been' a great change operatingin its situation for some years past; a change which,. as-far as it is con cerned, render* the present measure absolutely. neces. sary. I wilt. dranlviny Honourable-Friend to lend me his attention - witilset point out to him the changes in the statertif - tociete which made an alienst on of the law necessary for thoint:resteof.the-Chuith of frolAnd. Sir, the Protestaiet E-tablisheteChurefrof Irt4and stends in a perilous-situation; it - is the religion of the minotiiy, and is placed in tee midst of a. majority psofrssing a different and • ad verse faith..and animated. in.latteetitelet with violent howility towards its Those. also who are their hostile have means- ef combination, means for act. ing in concert tor any desired object,. such,-perhaps, at were never before possessed in any ador of sunnily. The support of a Church. it, such circumstances, de prods mainly , on. the purity of its duct:lnes, upon the excellence of tire character of its professors, but above ail. on the. agleam.. of dime ohne:ens the maj. , raty towasstie. Ilse Mistitieri. that levee n—an affection which ought to he supported by respects which , can only be ntrintaiiiel by the ceurinited and undivided support or P4lllansens. and the segolar proti aeon of Goverment. Fr ors 'be acqsaintiote I have had aesoog the resident (;realer of fret-ands, P knew they hove been lately placeal in difficulties, such as before they were never involved in—dtificulties eerier...ly owing, to the present. ques tion. Formerly a teiendly ifiillitelefie was kept tip between the Prottstant rector and the Catholic imputation among whom he ,eased. He did thee' offices of kindness and gave them instruction ; and they, ow then p et. tseaterd him with respect, and were aka aye willies so treks to his orioles. This was a f.r Mfferost rate of things from the present, and the change which has taken place shows the necessity. as I before said, of sems,chaoge in one paticy. Ihareletters from dsffeseet parts of Ireland which parent a roam veiy differ's' fulcra that which I have just laid before the House. Those letters are from Clergymen, and they state that so far from their being treated with the respect they beenerly were, their instructions were new hardly lisienld to, even in a temperate manner. It *es; . to Imitate the lost influence of the Clergy, and the runes of enabling them to give their instructions with effect, so as se lead to the moral improvement of Ireland, that • the present measure was rendered particularly desir able for the Irish Church. ?be Ardtbilibop and Clergy of Dublin described the tailing off in the re. "pea t it the, Catholic laity, and the batted which they now have to the Established Church. and cell for tl e interposition of Parliament to afford them rfectual protection. It is true that they consider . that protection to be best afforded by en adftertece to dot fluent s eyetees...(a leueb)—,but #fe *lend with and doubtful? and I had no hesitation in sacrificing personal feeling, and advising the line of conduct which I thought best for the Government to pursue both for vindicating itself and m.king the Protestant religion predominate in Ireland. From circumstances which occurred formerly— (Hear).— I considered it incom intent for me to enter on the question at large; and 1 have, therefore, deemed it right to confine myself to the state of the Establi,hed Church. Mr. G. BANKES said it had been his earnest desire to address the House before. giving one vote upon the question, because be felt that me vote could convey a sense of the entire and hearty opposition which he was determined to give the measure before the House. Upon the occasion when it was first debated, he readily gave way to the many Members who anxiously presented themselves to express their opinion, and to vindicate themselves from the charge of .silence preferred by the, Right Hon. Secretary of State. He thought the result of thdt debate had proved that if in numbers they were, overpowered, and that if in talents they were exceeded, by the supporters of the measure, yet that the numbees l of those who thought with him were far from insiguil.: cant, and they werestill farther from being contemptible either for rank, character, or ability. Whatever obloquy. was to be incurred by the comparatively few who dated, to maintain their principles and. adhere to their opinions, he was ready cheerfully to share that obloquy, provided he was also allowed to share the credit and rod . will ry which such a course had been rewarded by the coun try. He had not ventured to put himself sot ward on the question, because-he could nut deny that it now came forward under auspices which it had never before known. It had now on its side a name which was ss a tower of strength"—of strength whose farce he should be the last to deprecate or deny—a strength wl:ich no thing to deny or controul, except it was the honest voice it the people. But armed with that power, as it had been expressed .in the petitions which had . reached to that House, and to the foot of the Throne, where he was confident the payees of the people would meet with attentive and affectionate consideration, he should not shrink lions opposing the question as he had ever doi.e. And here he could riot but protest against the spirit and runnier in which the Petitions of the People had been received by their Representatives. An Hon. Member on the other side, who had spoken upon this topic with much faitoess and candour, had said, that, considering the unptecedented number of Petitions. they had biers treated with fair-attention. Now be was of opinion that, because. the number of Petitions was so extraordinary, tt•ey, reqpired a more than ordinary deyoee olattenuon, and therefore it was that be entertained a heartfert regret at the treatment which they had experienced from some 'Members of that House. He had weighed with most scrupulous doubt, and with the utospst diffidence, the opiuions which he formerly, held upon the question; tor when he found that those for whim) he h.sd always 'entertained the deepest reverence and respect had seen 'occasion to change their course, it seemed in him s• me• . thing approaching to presumption it he d tiered from . *hem evert in that. He had therefore carefully exam ined all the grounds of his opinions, but he had found in them no fallacy of which he could convince his mind. He had listened with great attention to what had fallen from those quarters, and he confessed he. had heard nothings to make him doubt, altliouAh his surprise had is some degree been excited by the arguments which his. [tight, Hon. Ftien.l had pot lot ward * hiving influ enced his strong and vigorous mind to alter the course upon which every orre supposed it to be unalterably bent. The leading circumstance so put forward vies rite present state tit Ireland. His Biala HOP. Friend had admitted that there was in the state of that country no aggravated danger as compared with some other period, and that remedies could have been applied to the re.. move' of that danger, only that the remedies would hate been, but of a temporary nature. Now bis objec tion to this measure was, that it could only be a tem. poraty remedy—(Hear, hear).. It would still lest. 'behind a Catholic Question—(Cheer;). * There would still be a grievance, if the grievance consisted its the disabilities. And above all, there must sift be a grievance, if the grievance, consisted in Pr,' ,cesmot Asceaclaitcy, since his Right Hon. Friend, the Chancellor of the Exchequer, had been arguing that this was a Bill for securiog the Protestant Ascendancy, aid had given that character of the measure as the justificr lion of the change in his opinions. He certainly did not view the measure in the same light as his Right Hoe. Friend, but he was ready to admit that, compared with what the Roman Catholic H.erarchy wished to fee, it might be said to promote and secure Aseendancy.-.- But hel contended that it was still only a temporary measure, led that any tranquillizing effects which it Might produce for the time were not worth the sacrifice they were called upon to make. His Right Hon. Friend bad informed them that the Church yj Ireland had to contend with great difficulty, and far these reasons the Church required to be defended and itot•Cted by the Government. What, then, was to be come of the Church if the bead of the Government I *add be a Roman Catholic? Was it in this light that the asealUrt was to be taken as a security for the Pro testant Ascendancy ? Its he. it vas proposed cloths the ease of a Roman Coli lfc Lulling , the office of h a d been so ably supported that ni g ht t h at h e m i g h t Prime Minster all Church patronage should be placed bejustiffel in thinking m measure o msvlle f ac m us i e n d i:terf h l o a Lw r t e i d o ,in the hands of a P a ot es tant C ommis si on . B ut emu was op„i o ed the re .10 appoint the Commissioners? The Roman Catholic under the stigma of being deficient not only in in. ,Prime Minister. Undoubtedly i• was made a high mis telligence but in liberality but he was prepared demeanour by the Bill for a Roman Catholic Prime to take his share in the reptoach. If it should so Minister to advise the Crown in the disposal of the happen that the cause of the Protestant Constitution patronage of the Church; but he was I, ft with the of this realm must fall, it would be a consolation power of appointing the Commissioners who were to ,to those Who made the last, ihsugh ineffectual, sive that advice, aud with the still more dangerous sieuggl:s for its preservation, that they had acted in power of removing them at his pleasuse. Besides unison with the opinions and leeliti,s of the huge .this, who was to define the privileges and prerogatives mass of the intelligent and religious community of of a Prime Minister ? They had lately seen that dith. England—(Heat). The people of England• who bad cult] exemplified in the year 182;7, when many .expressed their opinion on the subject had as touch ; Members of both Hou ! os of - Parliament refused ielligence to quality them for the task as thoie who 14.. a , heir support to a M i ni s te r b :cause h e was known „homed night atter night to stultify themselves on the .to entertain certain opinions upon this question.-- question. He th. ught it required only cheers:mon ten,. `They had then the word of a Minister to rely on as which was the characteristic of the people of England, to to the use of patronage, and, his was a word which come to a correct jiidgment on the subfct. The present was never given in vain, And never doubted. •But it was tate of Ireland had been 'offered as a conclusive ergo. said and felt, that there was a power of which a Pi one ment on the subject, and it was asked in it a hit Minister could not dive s t himselt,an influence which was do you plopose to do *kit Ireland? He could „tit tl.i it like sunshine to the sun, and which. must Pave its effect 'ha , . Leland was to b! pacified by the extinction of - in spite of his own determination to the courat y. Such test oit Ascendancy. Any man who ki.e.v ihe histoi y were the securities nffereJ.a:id he was satistiei they were ,rif feland, knew that the evils by which she is afflicted the best that could be found when they we,e presented esiced before the Reform& ion, a hen there aas no do. fsom such a quarter. He w.s thereftee co .vitic :d that tinction tf religion amongst the people. Ilensight also no securities could be devised suffleimtly stiong to war- appeal to toe Eight Hon. Geis:leen - 30. a late S.-cretar rant the admissionofltortianCathulie.ta political 'power. .14 Ireland. though no longer a Member of the pre era, Towards the latter end of the Bill, as it by way of orna- Gaerontent. bat a supporter of the present meastre ment,a security fortheChotch of I -elaisd of another kind (lllie. Charlesikassi).lhat the :Au.e in these evils was out was offered. The I ish Roman Catholic Ecclesiastics were changed's fsirW Revd lion. Gentleman hid steely ed to be no longer permitted to c noinue,the insulting and that the tumults by which Ireland was sdistr-c,ed, tisd obtrusive practice of assuniing titles which belonged roar origin, in what?—Protestant ascendancy ? no, in to others. His objection to this, as a sectisity for local oppressiou. It was the nuislottune ofireland that which they were to pay the enoi muus price of the Bili her first connection w ith this country was that of a con. was, that they possessed it alt eatlys 'there was a pro- quered country. Her lands stem then pa/ceded out to Vision in the Acts of 1781 and 1782, which was a Whet English se. ilers i on the express couslition that tn. ye.ou 4 Bill, providug that the benefits conleried by the Ast reside on the estates that weir given them; aod Allah. should not extend to any Popish Ecclesiastic who miseries of Iceland might be traced to the deseition of assumed any such rank or title whatever. Then those who ow' d every thirg they possessed to the coon came the Act of 1798, which, in his opinion, did try they had sbandoited. All alio bad written on lie. not repeal the. provision to which he had alluded.— land for centuries allowed that the penile were de, en. It cei tinily did not do it Mew ei4 a ords, arid he thought Jet on the will of absentees, who gave orders to sweep it did not by implication, IL, Right lists. Ftiend who the people off their lands in a couleur where there was proposed the measure had pat ticularly dwelt upon two no employment, and whei e, to the disgrace ol hums:sky. tithe} topics, the consideration of which had led his mind there was nu legal provision for the poor—(Hear, hear, to the same conclusions. His Right 11 Friend had hear). The natural consequence was, the same et. alluded to the division an die, House, and to the diacre- pression of dissatisfaction that had taken place in the piney of opinion between that and the other House of manufacturing districts of this country, when these was Parliament. Nnw it being admitted that the m ijorities a want of employment, and demagogues went amongst upon the divisions in that H use weir very small, being them to tell theirs that the cause of all their sufferings occasionally interrupted by the occurrence of mita°, ities. was the want of Parliamentary Reform. These denim the result of all was that opinion in that Home was very gogues were brought to justice and punished; but the nearly balanced. But ho.s was it with the crher Hods, Catholic agitators, 'who tell the Irish people that the 01 Parliamena ?•Theiellie division la t year exhibited a canoe of all their sufferings is 11. e want of Ca holic mejority of 44 voices against the questiou. And was it Emancipation, ate be encouragi d and rewerLed. to be expected that the House which had the large ma. Would this Bill provide for the wants 1.1 the people prise would give way to the House that had the small of Ireland? No—the only provision it n.ade for the one? Fur their teastus it appeased to tom thathis Right people was, to tear from the peasant the enjoy meat Hon. Friend's considera.ions weie not at all conclusive. of a long-exercised privilege to deck the cetonets• of There was another subject upon which lie was desirous the land—(Elear. hear). It nothing more was done of seeing a few words, but he must first ask leave of the for the people, Ireland never would be calm—never Hon. and Lem net Solicitor Get oral fot Ireland, as he ought to becalm. If they soewit to legislate tOf Ireland knew hose disagreeable the bare mention of that subject effectually, they should take with them the lights rif was to his feelings—he meant the Constitution as sett ed co urnon sense and.ezee. ience, and go to the task with in 1688. He' wished to declare his opinion that theselaws the warmth of Lenevolenee T must d. velope her were an integral part of that Constoutinn, and he should ample resourcei, hitherto :cutely known, and must in otempt to show it in better language than he himself tioluce a system of poor laws, which it WAS a tilt, time could command—in the language of th se men erh.• to ti is coontry she should so long he si ithout. They brought that glorious event shout, and who, during most diffuse die blessings of &Christian th: raigh that very year, thought it to emery to take into ih it s u the land, aid by rho e stood , means, ouuld consideration the means of preserving those very se- Ise ridiculed by some, and resisted by the inve .:ate cuticles for the Protestant Ascendancy. He alluded par• prejudices of others, they would apl.iy an cti ctual ticulaily to that document %filch was the Inindatirm cf remedy to the errors of ages—(He tr) Ireland was de the Bat .of Rights;—the D:claration of the Prince of sertetl, was degraded, was inoilteJ, and the only semede ()range when he landed in ill a 4.9usstry. This argument proposed was a compliance with age noes. lola, d asks did not apply to hi. Right Hon. Eitul, who admitted labour and bread, and you proffer het Cath o lic h m in that the measare wa".en sacs Ailoll of the C .nstitutioti as cipatioir—(Cheers). And this is all that ra pre p seJ as settled in 1608. Hut tittle were others, he believed, a compliance with the recommendation in his Majesty's who denied it.—The honourable Member then toad a Speech to take the whole state if ltelaitd into cr , roldtr. passage: from the 1) claration, which eoutherate • ation.—He wisl ell to say a few words on the general amongst the grievances of the subject, that evil Coon- question, on which i e differed from some us tht., 0 a horn eillors of the King hiving anntelled . the laws for pro- he ought, and whom hi did, respect ; but in O. position hibiting the hOlding of certain wheels by persons of. •tei the r opinions he, was prepared to contend, that the the Pepish Religion, without taking the oatht of All.- Shish Constitution was founded sired built on dis haulier glance and 8 psemacy, and the Test. Also another Wil;Cli could not be taken away without its Lea% weak which states the desigo of the. Prince to ha that sped. The Constitution of England was IDA. e' up of of haying a fete and lawful Parliament assembled, 'qualifications; it demanded a t ecut.iary qualtticatir n " both fer condensing and exect.ting.the laws co t• in the Freeholder and in the R:ptearittett . e; i s the caning the Test i and . such ether hiss as may be Juror and in the Nlashtrate; and this was done tot the necessary for the security arid support of the Pro- unitingintellieienee with power; but posit cat radicals testant,ltelisioe.` Is the Bill of 'Rights, itself, there inveigh against qualifications, And say it is I..cortsistei'it passages w ere alluded to in these woods: 64 To which with inveigh against and all they say e ill tecei re additional demoiol o f theit Resins they are pat tieulai ly encouraged force it this measure she conceded. '1 he Coos; it talon by th, litclarationolllsePoinceorthatge,a, being the also demanded a mutat qualification, and constituted only . means 01 obtaining atoll rsdresi." This show ed that Christianity a port aol pet t of the law of the iealni ; the ntain,enance of theTeoLavirwaseotisideted essential and also constituted the pure and trimmest prole son in the settlement of tlitCrunistutsoss 'and ef that were the of that religion as a qualification for the posses-ion of case, he would ask if they were wit sag in appealing to power; aced it did so wisely, as that"Clitirch inculcated the integrity of the Constitution "Oust a measure which the !WS( and 'surest principles of Cht &tan c has ity Re wtnt so three.. ly to its violation ? He th isiked the House ligious rad.cafs ioseigh against this recoitoti. a and for its Attention, and would cm.tstruo to use the most adhesion to the doatones of Christianity, which was Jetermined—but he hoped an uunoureble—opposition now made a matter of t'erroach—(lfeti, heal.) He to the Bill. hea. d the Revolution of 1698 spoken of as a je t as if it Lord CASTLEREAGH sai.l that, at *crisis like the shod J be transplan'ed from the hi tory Of En g land to present, he sloolliEconsider himse.t unworthy of the Joe Millet—(Hear, and a laugh) But the 8.1.1 t aided place he occupied, and of the name which he bore, if he securities foe the Protestant &tab islirnet.t. Loid gave a silent vote upon that 0.c..t0n. He represented Lieutenant of Ireland was to be a Pict.sta.o. hot he the most Protestaht county of Protean' Ulster, and might be surrounded by Cathol c advises. Toe office was one of a. large body who, as tar as themselves weie of Lord Chancellor was to be filled by Postestani, but .concerned, had . sue ,reason to complain of the exist- the appointm nt might be mane by a Cacho k Prime iisg laws, Toe. population . of Ulster were opulent and Minister. The King n.ust be a Prote tent, but his Mi. erospetous, acid, if he weir asked t what they were in- niters might be ail Catholics. Now he would object, debted for these blessings, 1 e should say that they owed as a matter of taste, to such an unequal testtaitit as them to the tact of their enjoying; the advantages of equal allowing the Minister s full ft (*dont rf c'm ce, and keee laws, operating alike upon Ali the individuals of the corn- mg shackles round the beivereiol. Much lad bete otiosity. If he shoUl e kthen; be asked why, enjoying such said of the effect this measure wtOild have on the title advantages omit:Nilo' peseta' system, he was willing of the King to the Crown, and he would not apptcoich to forego this tetreinty for the precarious benefits to that subject with levity. He would not sty toat' oe derived bons a clone in the law? he answered, measure would shake the legal title of the Sove.eign ; that the present proapetity. Omit they. enjoyed was but he would say that it disturbed his ins sal title. It not likely to be proof against the operation of causes might be preserved in the corner of 'an Act of Parlie which now elided, and which, if not removed, ment, but it w. uld mite to stand on the broad base of would entirely destroy it. • The measure now before the Protestant ascendancy, and it would weaken the r.iph - House would diffuse happiness, strength, and security ful title of the Monarch cf the greatest Protestant Em over the country. •It had beep said that the Protestant pire in the world. Instead of the Royal robe of glory Church wanted safeguards, without which the glorious covering the Monarch, they might devise to hang his fabric could not be maintained. His thought the Pro. tide on the peg of an exception. It was said thvbest testant Church minted no such securities; but,•if she security for theProtestamEstablishment was to be found did—if she could not stand on the put ity of her doe- in ti e numerous petitions tf the people against the me.- trtns—she was not worthy of that supsemacy in which sure ; trot what security would that afford when the pen her ever-eozious supporters wished to place her. The ple found their petitions disregarded? If disregarded Noble Lord concluded, after some obseivations *Which petitions were the best security, the Protestant Est:- were inaudible in the gallery, by paying a high compli• blishment must soon fall—(Hear.) He might recall if e went to the Duke of Wellington, who, by the present arguments of the Right Hon Gentleman (Mr. Peel) measure, would &estate the stability of this empire at which werestillunanswered and unansveerabre. N. in. home, alter having established her supremacy abroad. ferior talent could change sides with the effect chit he Mr. SADLER lines and was not that distinctly heard in had done; but such was his power of aiguneenr, the gallei y ter ;ales moments, principally owing to he Changes sides and still *confutes. In theTariumention an endeavour to seeirim, which caused a general move- this question equal weight!, instead • f being a dewed to meat in the The first expression we caught balance each other, were regarded as preponcetating was, that in a - Cadie • like that which now occupied according to the side on which they were used. - By their attention, he. was.. willing to express himself, one it was said in support of the 'misuse, that the lad vrpuld not give a silant.•vote r though: the capse" Catholic religion Was so powerfUl 'behind ciat it . • - ..• • • .