Star. — London, England, 1827-03-29 00:00:00

11 11AX 0 - 0 \ N Constitoenk *or that,` made, they would be _ to tranquilize Ireland. • • The Bishop HESTER would not have addressed NI (I"*Wirlii.ordskips, ving learned a lesson in a school other things . ere taught than the use of hard ra orSe; s tic - N - 0 *tlielktoliiirl3Ti WC hld • Mph', rtt — tr he not felt the subject one of such paramount import ance as to:render 'iv-impossible for a member of the Protestant Church to remain silent. The Noble Baron had been pleased to treat with contempt what he (the Bishop of Chester) had said some time since respecting the reformation in Ireland. pn that occasion he felt that he had uttered nothing which the most strict inter preter could consider inconsistent with Christian charity. If we believed in Revelation, we must know that there were many occasions on which Goo would work out his own purposes. And when Ireland should be enlight ened enough to receive the truth, come when that time may,the event must be announced by symptoms like those which at present developed themselves. . • Whether these symptoms arose from the exertions of an untimely zeal, they were still the same as those of the real event Whenever it should occur ; and it was not the Pan of Protestants to cast rebuke on the exertions of those who endeavoured to bring their brethren within the pale of what they conceived to be salvation. Encouragement, on the contrary, ought to be given,and as he said on the for.; mer occasion, the blessing of GOD would, he had no doubt:be given, if the exertions Made were marked with as much discretion as ;teal. He denied that he had cried woe against those who differed with him in opinion upon this subject. He had said woe to him who shall lift his hand or his voice to stern the current of religious light breaking upon Ireland. But he neither meant to inflict temporal or spiritual woe—he meant only, that if any man interposed a check between GOD and his purposes, woe would be to that man, whatever might be his profession of faith. He was bound as a Member of the Legislature to sae, that the utmost dis cretion and prudence were requited to avoid the evils which the beginning of reformations sometimes pro. duced, and that nothing but the union of great worldly wisdom with great spit itual piety could reader the attempt successful. Lord HOLLAND said, that the Right Rev. Prelate, who was himself one of the most polished weapons of that celestial armoury of which he had spoken some time since, had rebuked his Noble Friend for using hard words; but the Petition was directed against hard words—the whole system adopted towards the Catho lics of Ireland was founded upon hard words, and were not hard words to be used in return ? He remembered .a story which he had read in a Spanish jest book, and had once before mentioned in the Hoene. Shepherds, •on account of the gre.t number of wolves in Spain, . were obliged to go armed with spears, and cottages to be provided with large dogs. It happened that a shep herd and a dog had an encounter, and the dog was killed. The Alcade asked the Shepherd who wasfeought before him,why he had kilted the dog with the pointed part of the spear, and had not beaten him off with the butt end of it?—"For this plain reason," returned the Shepherd, • " that he ran to me with his mouth, and not with his tail." Thu', whilst the Catholics were abused, was it sur prising that they should come with bard expressions in ' return ? He could not see what the Conversions, or .what was called the Newßeformation in Ireland, could ' have to do with the great question of the Catholic Claims, unless it were meant that the Penal Laws assisted those conversions, and must be kept for that , purpose. If so, according to the plain meaning of the w 'd, it was nothing but downright persecution. The Cat lone Priesthood were blamed fur using spiritual wea pon for temporal purposes, but the use of temporal weapons for spiritual objects was still more reprehensible, and constituted persecution in the broadest sense of the word. Let those who maintained the penal laws there fore disclaim that intention, or let them allow the use of spiritual influence by Catholics. The Right Rev. Lord had said, woe to those— The Bishop of CHESTER said that his words were, " whenever the Reformation begins, woe to him who shall lift up his hand or his voice to arrest the tide of religious light breaking upon Ireland." Lord HOLLAND observed, that " whenever the Reformation began" was certainly a saving clause. But the whole made him think that the Catholics had not the monopoly of the polished weapons of the celes tial armoury, and that many Divines would be found in our own Church who would use them if they had access to them. He objected to the system of con version. When the Catholic Claims had been under discussion, he had been sorry to observe that the merits and demerits of the Catholic re igion had been discussed at great length—discussed among Protestants, and in a place where not a single Catholic was admitted! Such 4 thing would not be done in private life. But during those discussions the chief argument brought against the Catholics was their spiritual proselytism. If it were wrong in one Church to make proselytes, how could the act be praiseworthy in auother ? Let all that bad been said against Cathnlics on that ground Ire theiefore retracted; let it be declared commendable in them to do What Protestants were praised for doing, and let success be considered a proof of the truth of their faith ! Would any man of common sense and discretion place the question on that issue? Would it not be madness to call on the two great contending sects in Ireland to employ themselves in efforts to con vert the members of each other, and to make success the touchstone and proof of the superior excellence of their respective dogmas? He concurred with his Noble Friend who had presented the Petition, and with that truly Christian Prelate, whom lie regretted not to see in his place, and with whom he had not the honour of being acquainted, but whose charge he had read with great pleasure and admit ation, that this was not the time for attempting conversions. Recollecting as he did the just views of the late Dr. Lawrence on that subject, he was not surprised that the present Archbishop of Cashel should tread in his steps, and say that, in his opinion, " any attempt to convert the Catholics of Ire. land by too active a proselytism must be attended with ' danger ; that whether the cause of Protestantism would g on was dubiou., hut that the cause of Christianity . must be injured by it was certain." Lord CARBERY contended, that it was on the side of the Catholics that hard words were used, and that the Noble Baron would be satisfied of the truth of this assertion, if he cauld hear the language which they' applied in Ireland to Protestants. The LORD CHANCELLOR said that the Peti tioners shewed at least one symptom of moderation, for they had fel borne to bring the chargeof slander against the King who now sat on the Throne. If their Lord ships lurked at the Stature of King William, they would s• e that his Majesty could not be crowned, or if he came to this House before or after being crowned could do nothing, till his M jes,l; . as his present Majesty bad iitting on that Throne, had made that very De onlehich was now called slander I Petition was,then laid on the table.—Adjourned. HQUSE OF COMMONS. ~..Xpon the Motlon of Mr. Hamar Cm!, a new Writ was ordered for a Member to serve for the Borough of West Looe, in the room of tX Bocce. Esq. who has accepted the Stewardship of the Chß ttrn Hundreds. The names of the Defaulters at the last Ballot were called over, and they were ordered to attend tomorrow. Sir W. INGILBT presented a Petition from the Landholders of Kesteven, in the County of U ' ncoln against any alteration of the Corn Laws.—Ordered to be printed. Mr. O'HARA presented a Petition from the Chamber of Com merce of Galway, praying for a repeal of the Import Duty on Coals imported into Ireland.—Ordered to be printed. Mr. HOME presented a Petition from John Evatt, a prisoner Confined in Whitecross.otreet Prison, praying that the House would adopt some means of lessening the expense of Recovering Debtsi— Ordered to be printed. Mr. HUMS presented a long Petition from three poor men, be longing to some Charitable Establishment at Rugby, complaining that the Trustees of that Charity, instead of allowing them seven shillings a week, the sum which the Lord Chancellor bad declared they were entitled to, limited their allowance to five shillings and sixpence. They prayed that the Trustees might be instructed to pay them the other eiglateenpence a week. The Honourable Mem ber took the opportunity of presenting this Petition to recommend that a Committee should ►e appointed for the purpose of ascertain ing how far the recommendations and representations contained in the Report of the Committee ou Public Charities had been at tended to. ". 11nliostiorests McNees, one of the Trustees, recollected the facts stated by these Petitioners, and was of opinion that the. Trus tees had acted properly. Mr. HUME also presented a Petition front an luslividual named Samuel Fletcher, who stated that he bad devoted a great portion of his time to the making useful discoveries and inventions for the pub lic good, and amongst other things, he bad discovered the means of ensuring a supply of pure bread.—Laid on the table. GAMS LAWS. Mr. LYTTLETON presented a Petition,nomeronsly and respectably signed, from Wolverhampton, praying that an alteration might be made in the Game Laws. The Petitioners complained of having to support those j persons in prison who were the victims of these laws. The Hon. Member expressed his entire concurrence in the prayer of the Petition. He could see no justice in the law which prevented a person havinit 994 a year, in landed property from killing the game upon that land. In such a country as this the sale of game could not be prevented, and he trusted that the House would shortly see the necessity of some legislative remedy for the grievances of the present system: Sir J. SEBRIGHT concurred in what had fallen from the Hon. Member, as to the necessity of legalising the sale of game. He wished for no alteration of the laws, which would not secure the property of the land owner in his game ; but, rather than that the present' unfortunate state of the Game Laws should continue,he wished there was not a head of game in the country. Sir. C. BURRELL thought that the persons confined in prison for poaching were the victims of their own acts. They knew the consequences of their crime, and had therefore no right to complain. He was favourable to such an alteration of the law of qualiffcation, as would give those who rented large farms the power of killing game as long as they held the farms. Mr. ESTCOURT pressed opoo the House the neces sity of•payipg immediate attention to this fruitful source of crime and disorder. The Hon. Member alluded so the state of the prisons of Wiltshire, where at one period out of 280 persons confined, 100 were imprisoned for poaching.'He hoped some Hon. Member or the House would take up the subject without delay. Sir J. WROTTESLE Y said, it was essential that the legislature should come* once to the determination of putting an end to tails of such magnitude as those which Arose from the Game Laws. A Noble Lord (Wharncliffe) had undertaken the subject, three years ago, in that House, but he mixed up the measure with clauses which it was found imPossible for the House to agree to. The mestere was accordingly lost, and owing to a mistaken courtesy of the House, no Honourable Member would bring it forward, the Noble Lord having failed in his object. A measure was now in progress, he believed, in the other House of Parliament, to which he wished success. He begged to suggest, however, the propriety of disin cumbering any Bill for the repeal of the Game Laws of a number of useless clauses, which would only have the effect of rendering abortive the inten tions of those who wished for the success of the measure. He conceived that the only safe and prac tical course would be, simply to repeal those parts of the existing law which prohibited the sale of game. If his Hon. Friend opposite (Mr. Lyttleton) would bring in a Bill to repeal those laws by which the sale of game was prohibited, and include in it any other provisions that would equally protect the landholders, his Hon. Friend migght be sure of success. Mr. L LETON said he should decidedly object to removing the laws which prevented the sale of game. before a change was mfile in the qualification which entitled persons to kill it ; otherwise the exclusive right of selling it would remain with the few now qua lified by law. Sir J. WaOnseLev and Mr. LITTLETON explained. Mr. Secretary PEEL said, he should have a decided objection to making the sale of game legal by way of experiment, without first altering the law of qualifica tion. He believed that the country was willing to re cognise a sort of feudal right in the large landowner for killing his game, but it would not extend the same feeling to an exclusive right of selling it. He thought it extremely desirable that the landed interest should stand well with the country, and in the present state of society it would become game preservers to consider whether they ought not to make some concessions, and agree to remedies which were se evidently demanded by the state of the law. No one, he was sure, wished to disturb the property of the landowner in his game. He often heard mistaken and inconsiderate view; expres ed upon the subject, such as the- wish that there was no game in existence. Now he thought that the destruction of game must lead to very serious evils. In the first place, if it was to be destroyed by poachers, the proprietors of game would necessarily defend their property, what ever might be said there or elsewhere, and much blood shed and disturbance must be the consequence of such struggles. At present the poacher had the entire sup ply of the market, and he would continue to have it until the legal power of sale was placed in other hands. Hi did not mean to say that such a change would put down poaching, but it would lessen the profit, and ' consequently the temptation to the crime. He was convinced that whatever was done now, it must come to this at last—and within ten years—that the persons who support the game should have the right to kill it—(Hear, hear). He was aware many Gentle men would say that if you gale the right of killing game to the proprietor of five acres of la:id, he would tempt all the game of the Gentleman who posses sed 300. Even if this sfiduld be the case, he would still say, that if such a person supported all the game, let him have it. Bat he did no; believe that any such I consequeneerwould ',snit fretful a change of that nature. Hefelt convinced, that by allowing the small proprietor' some 51. a year fir the right of sporting over his land, he would be in the same sitaatims as 'how. In aWnost, all cases he believed that that soot of amicable arrange rent would be made. He thought it m-st desirable that the two Houser of Patliament should not be con. sidered by the county as disunited upon this question. There was now a measure before the Hou.e of Lords, and it would be better to wait the result of that before any other steps were taken. Sir J. SEBRJGHT expressed his great satisfaction at what hid fallen from the Right Honourable Secretary. S r C. BURRELL explained, and the Petition was ordered to be printed. StAnl4l 011/111S. the Marquis of BLANDFORD moved for a IRetam of all Coroners' Inquests then in England and Wales within the last See years. upon the bodies of persoos whose deaths have been oecasiowed by Spring Guns.—Ordered. CORN LAWS. Mr. WARBURTON presented a Petition from Man chester, praying for the removal of all restrictions upon the Corn Trade. The Honourable Member said that he did not like to allude to rumours that were abroad elsewhe4e, but he must take that opportunity of saying, that he was sorry to hear that the Country Gentlemen intended, on the second reading of the Corn Bill, to oppose the Warehousing of Corn. He hoped that this report was not true: if it was, and the opposition was successful, it would be destructive to all foreign trade, and matters would be rendered worse than they were in 1815.—The Petition was ordered to be printed. . Mr. DENISON presented a Petition from Tooting, in Surrey, complaining of the Poor Laws.—Ordered to be printed. Mr. MAXWELL presented a Petition from the Sawyers and others of Rochester, praying that a Committee might be appointed to inquire into the distresses occasioned by the itte of machinery. Mr. JOHN SMITH said, that he did not think the country would have been able to bear the distresses which had lately pre vailed, lilt had not been for the wealth that bad been created by machinery. The Hon. Member then alluded to the beneficial effects which had resulted from the books that had been published in Scotland, explaining the uses and effects of niachinory, sod recom mended the adoption of the same practice in this country. The Petition was then ordered to be printed. Mr. SYKES gave notice of a motion for the eth of May, to in quire into the state of certain voters in CornwalL Sir H. PARNELL presented a Petition from a parish in Ireland, praying for Catholic estouuipation. Mr. MACQUEEN presented a Petition from Dartford, in the county of Kent, against any alteration in the Corn Laws. On the motion of Mr. Hagan% the Cconnsitteesof Supply and Ways and Means were postponed tin Friday nest. GOIM or narrates= aux. On the 'ANJOU of Sir R. Wilson, the Douse resolved itself into a Committee on the Costs of Distresses Rill, and the Report was or dered to be received to-morrow. -The Housetben resumed. Sir A. G,RANT brought in a Bill for applying certain sums of money, being part of the 'apply for the year 1127. The Bill was read a lint time, and ordered to be read a second don tomorrow. • WEAVIRS 9 WAGES. Mr. d. SMITH presented a Petition from the Cotton Weavers of Great and Little Bolton, praying the House to institute a public inquiry into the subject of wages. They prayed that the masters should be bound by law to a minimum rate of wages, below which they should not be allowed'to give employment. The Hon. Mem ber dwelt upon the distress of the Petitioners, and ap- pealed to the Right Hon. Secretary of State for the Home Department, whether it would not be good policy to grant their prayer, and appoint a Committee to inquire into the subject? Mr. Secretary PEEL said it was impossible to ap proach the consideration of the distresses which pre vailed among the class to which these petitioners be longed, without the deepest sympathy. He thought, however, that these individuals would, upon reflection, see that if Parliament acceded to their wishes, and in terfered upon this subject, their condition, far from being ameliorated, would be rendered worse. • The consequence of a legislative enactment such as the pe titioners prayed, would be, that inferior workmen should be thrown altogether out of employ, and that women and children, who now earned a few shillings a week, • would then earn nothing. because it would be il legal for masters to employ persons at a sum less than twelve shillings a week., He should have had no objection to the subjeit being referred to a Com mittee, if it had not already been thoroughly examined. On three several occasions Committees had been ap pointed to inquire into this very subject: these very per sons who now petitioned, had then an opportunity of adducing every possible argument in favour of a mini• mum of wages: the subject had been fully discussed, and the Committees had found that the proposal could not be acceded to. Would the appointment of another Committee now have any other effect than that of raising false hopes? The Right Hon. Gentleman then read a passage from a Report of one of these Committees, which stated the impossibility of such a plan as a mini mum of wages being reduced to practice, and a convic tion that any legislative interference on the subject would only aggravate the distress. Mr. HUME referred to the number of Petitions which had been received on a former occasion from the artisans sod operatives of different parts of the country, complaining of the distress under which they laboured, and attributing it to the effects of the Combination Laws. A COmmittee upon that occa. sion had beep appointed, to inquire into their cons plaints and thirty-three persons had been deputed from different parts of the country to support the allegations made in . their Petitions. The inquiry was gone into openly and fairly, and the result of it was, that every one of the thirty-three deputies had re turned to their homes perfectly convinced that their distress was to be attributed almost to any other cause than to the Combination Laws. He, therefore, was of opinion, that another Committee ought to be appointed, if for no other cause at least for this—that it would tend to dispel the delusion which still prevailed in the minds of some of the operatives upon this important subject. After a few words from Mr. CURTI'S, Mr. A BERCROMBY said, that if he could bring himself to think that the appointment of another Com mittee, to inquire into this subject, would be of the least service, he would willingly agree to its appointment; but he was convinced that it never could attain the ob ject which his Hon. Friend proposed. He thought that the best course which could be adopted would be, for the Right Hon. Gentleman to circulate among the ope ratives the extract he had just read from the Report on the Combination Laws, and also the evidence by which that report was supported. It would tend more than any other measure to put an end to the delusion which at present reigned among the operatives. After a few word, in explanation from• Mr. J. SMITH, the Petition was laid co the table—or deredto be printed. The other Gliders of the Day were then disposed 01; and the House adjournel at a quarter paSt Six o'Clock. 'SHE EVENING STAR. LONDON. - . TRUESDAY, M RCS 29, 1827. STOCK EXCIIANGP., TWELVE O'CLOCK.. Both the City and Stock Eachange were thrown into yri: at fusion this morning, caused by a report at Lloyd's, that an arm y twtnty.fosr thousand men, French and Spaniards, !r a d „, iterti Portugal. Consols, which left of yesterday at 821 j , opsom morning at SSI ; but soon after felt to Slit The alturewimh not credited in the City. In the Foreign market, Colombian Bonds are heavy, ad he little is doing to other South American Securities, Carron priers: OW Spanish 12 4. bleak= 70 4, c a w ** 40, Peruvian 34 35, Portuguese 754 764, Rusin 374 I, D a * 611 4. CITY, TWO OCLOCE, The Coma market remains steady at is/ 1, with Sale ( ki t .. Although the invashul of Portugal, by the Spaniards aad Pr e & is generally not believed, still there is abgreat anxiety hi t b f thi PRICE OF STOCKS AT TWO O'CLOCK, Bank Stock Shut. India Stock Shot. per Cent. Red. Shut. lndia Roods 99 T. per Cent. Coma 841 I I Old Annuities Se per Cent. Shut. Se per Cent. Red. Shut. 4 per Cent. New 971 99 97 1 4 per Cent. 1016, Shut. Long Annuities Shot. FORBION FLY Chinon Benda 6p Ct. 56 Colombian Bonds,. p Ct. Liao 8d5.1994, 40 e 110. Acct. 40e 40 Gr.11 , -a15.19119.9p C. Ise 'and% - zioop Exebelser Bas 40 4l iioo Ditto 40 42 .1100 and 4200 Dine 41 42 Bask fat Amon Cossolefor 71 7 cce. tip , TWO OtpOcit. Ilez.Bris. p 0-4.1 i I Ditto Acct. 70i Peruvian Bondi 6p C. 341 Span. Bones 5 p Ct. 14 i Duo Acct. al Bonda,ite- MCI. Va. .5 per Ct. 57j I Oa.. ,ist3,4e7/ BRITISH AND FOREIGN SHAMIR, TWO O'CLOCK. RIL PAID. &mania° - 100 20 re 27 Potosi Ls Paz k Perms. Asso. SO S it 136,21 Rs Real del Moore 400 400 47S tln RiCHANGS.S. Amerssorm, Masco 23.—0 n Londoe, 11. MI 2M. 11. N HIMISUKIII, MARCH 20.-0 o Load's, 37. 2M.M. S. Sr. Prrassavaam, Masco 11.-011 Londe% 3 M.lO. Fames FORDS, Masco W. re. per Cents 20. 35 C. Three per Cents. 70f. loc. But Stock, 1,99 M. Sesta* Naples, 76f. 40c.--Renter cr Naparke, 11* Royal Spasiek Lau„ 1 52j6—Cloars .doMeatipse. By the Vigilant ketch, arrived at Falmouth is tea days from Lisbon, Government have received die. patches to the 17th instant, from Sir WILLIAM HAM Crawrox, at the British head-quarters, at Coimbra.— By the same conveyance, e have received the follow. ing interesting communication : COIMBRA, Mum It. II The Rebels after being pursued by Count Flor from Moncor►o to Miranda, and by General , Mello to Bragattaa, united their forces at the north-east extremity of Tras-os-Montes, between Vinseoso and Mi rands. It was intended to attack them in their position close to the Spanish frontier on the 9th, but, on evening of the 7th, they entered Spain, and were dis• armed at Alcanizos and its neighbourhood ; so we nay now consider affairs at an end in that quarter . our expedition seems likely to turn out a very harmless lone ; not, however, that our taking no share in the field operations is any proof of our inefficient sevices. On contrary; the favourable result is mainly to be attribu., to the presence of a British Army, and the advice and directions of its excellent Commander-in• Chief, with whom everybody is satisfied. No man certainly ever possessed more of the ssaviter ie modo, with the fortiter iis re. The Portuguese themselves—that is to say, • sensible and liberal part of them—admit that Ports. gel has been saved by the British Cabinet from ride of the Apostolicals, and the diabolical wan) of the Priests of Ferdinand. " There has been dreadful weather, and many ship. wrecks on the coast of Portugal. A small vessel went to pieces at Mira, near Aveiro; one Woman drowned. The Oporto packet, having on board two Chaplains the Army, Mr. Parker, and Mr. Dennis, was wrecked near Villa de Condit, north of Oporto: nine perms were diowned, and among them Mrs. Dennis and her servant boy. " This very day an Ensign of the 4th Regiment, M Massey,. whilst riding out, wishing to join some brother Officers on the opposite side of a pool of water, in . tempting to ride through it, sunk into a quicksand, sod instantly disappeared, and the body is not yet found." We have received Lisbon Papers to the 18th instant. The intelligence which they contain, though imports and highly, satisfactsry, does not inspire, however, much interest, as the most material part of it had previously reached us through other channels. The latest new from the army is communicated in a dispatch from Count de Vitt.r.4 nos, of the Bth, who was this 'at Arguzelo, close to the Spanish frontiers. Gene. ral Mamas was at Pilsen., which is in the neigh bourhood; and both these enterprising Generals con tinned to act in concert. The former was preparing to go to Braganca, and the latter to Gamin; to watch the movements of the rebels, who passed into Spain the 7th, and prevent their recrossing the frontiers. — However, these precautions, though furnishing Pill' worthy proofs of vigilance on the part of the Comics. tional leaders, were, as our Readers know, rendered superfluous by the measures taken by the Spanish Authorities against the rebels. There is not the slightest allusion in these Papers to a rumour contained in private letters from Madrid of the 29th inst. stating that accounts had reached thin capital, announcing the proclamation of a general am• nesty to every person concerned in the rebellion. It to probable that some healing useastve to this effect wan in contemplation ; but that it had not been proclaimed in sufficient time to be known in Madrid on the 29th to obvious, from the silence of the Papers before us. 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