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the 16. b of August. His house is about 410 yards from the place of meeting. Has a wife and family. His house is in ,Lloyd-street. Saw some of the processions coming in ;•they "csmein a peaceable manner, Ile felt no alarm; neither did he hear his neighbours express any. Has considerable property in Lloyd-street. There was nothing in the appearance of the pro ceedings different from those he had seen in the processions of Benefit Societies. Some few had sticks. There were a good zialiy young women amongst them. Saw no shops shut up till the evening. Was at the Meeting about half-past twelve. He saw no one armed with long staves. Where he stood was the opposite angle to Air. Buxton's house. Saw the cavalry arrive and form in front of the house. Saw them approach the bus tins. No resistance was made. There were neither stones nor b:ickbats thrown at them; if there had he should certainly have seen them. Cross-examined by Serjeant Cross.—l stood near the Quakers' 'Meeting house, but farther down. I know Johnson ; never knew him until about threts' days before the 16th of August. Did rot know any of the others. I had seen Mr. Hunt before at a Meeting at Manchester. I took no part in the proceedings.— The Meeting i was at was the one held in January. I heard no expression of alarm before the 16th of August. I had hoard of additiou.l Constables having been sworn in, and of a Military force brought into the nethbourhood. I had also heard that there was to be a meeting of the Justices of the two Ceanties, and i comidered them precautionary measures. lam sure I heard no expressions of alarm amongst my neighb 'ars, on account of the. people assembling. I knew a Meeting was'to have been holden on the 9th of Aegust. I did not know however, that it was for the purpose of electing ?Members of Parliament, like those of Birmingham. I have seen this notice before. (A pla card was put into his hands, signed " 11. Hunt," for Calling Meeting). . Re-examined by Mr. Hunt.—T can't swear that I have seen a correct copy of this before the Meeting. Robert Grundy called.--{The witness refused to give his evi dence, until he bad had his expenses ; but Mr. Justice BM LZY said, he never knew of a Judge, in similar circumstances, or dming his expenses to It witness. Mr. Hunt said, so far as he was concerned, he was quite willing to pay him his expenses]. The exatninadon then went on. I am In the' woollen trade, and live at Salford. I was at 7-7.anchester on the 16th of August. I did not see many of the p - eccssions coming in. It was about half-past eleven that I wct,t to the field. I acted as a Special Constable. I remained that capacity in the field until about half-past one o'clock. 1 have not given in my depositions. I staid in the field until you o.tne, and some time afterwards. rremained until the cavalry made their appearaucz. The several processions were coming riz. in tin; meantime. I cannot say that I was in the line of Canstables, but I was very near them. Where I stood might he from 15 to CO yards from the hustings. I went to Buxton's house after the cat: 7ry appeared. The Meeting was tbeu par tially dispersed. The parties came up in an orderly manner, there seemed to be four or five abreast ; they had colours and 111/./liC. No particular imprLssion was on lily mind at the mo r...ca; they were as peaceable as it was possible for such bodies to he. I did not observe any staves, but I believe some had sticks; they were walking-sticks, such as people generally have 'shen they come from the country. I did not see any of them o any insult or violence to the respectable people there.— Vfb.en I stood within twenty yards of the hustings, the people r. , ..ssed very close against me; I did nut th?n shew my staff, and I thiak th-y may rot have knewn that I was a Special Sor. , .e-of the Constables did not exhibit their staves. I :..1W the cavalry arrive. By the Couar.—Was any epposition Made to them ?—I did W.L• any. Anything t , ) intimidate them?—Nothing that I sw. l'•:or any groans or bisse-l—l beard Ctree cheers, and, I be -1::ve, the soldiers returned them. I did not hear hoouogs, or kissings, or groa: inys. Did you s.e aLy _tones earown at them, or up in the air did nor, my had you r.rr eye on then. as they leer:. advancing?—Yo. I receded a little • I wish,tl to get out of the Meeting. This was to the right of the cavalry. . By Mr. Hunt.—liad you any fears for your own safety or the t•wn, front what you saw?—Not any until I uttw the cavalry c upon the ground. I understood it was not the intention the Magistrates to interfere with the Meeting, and therefore .1 was cosy on the sehje•ct. Upon this understanding I felt no alarm from the conduct of the people. Did you see the Yeomanry ? r --I saw them come up, and the people about me tried to get away. There was no resistance cd - ered. I then, for the :irst time, began to be alarmed for my perso:i. Cross-examined by Mr. Scanterv.—l was a Special Con stable fee two years ; , :.fare. I belivie they are generally per sons of property. lam fur &lend. I bad heard of drillings i . : the neighbourhood often before. I did not hear et any alarm amen -At my aquain.ance or friends at t'it Meeting. I have no cant,exion with arty persons who were them. The bodies march ed. They did net appear to have leaders. I said they came in sec•ions but by that I only meant that they came some abreast. I did not see them in the streets. Those that went into the field inarched,like a file of soldiers, abreast. I did not see that anr of them bad a mark of distinction, or command, They marched l persons who had been drilled. I don't know that their ap. tstr.tice confirmed in my mind what I had heard of drilling.— , don't mean to s y they walked as regular as soldiers, but they mere a little more. orderly than persona wanting in the street. . from their manner of walking, do you think, on your oath, Ciat they had heen drilled ?—I do think they had had sans in- • teetions. Will you not say, that the impression an 'our mind was, that tuey h.,1 been drilled ?—I have ;aid, I believed they get insane but of drilling I know nothing. Hew many were there?—About 60,000, but I don't know leech of Public Ire ins. Their corduct was quite peaceable. , they came in, they formed round the hustings. I can't say they all brought up their banners to the huetings. I was never reaper to them than front 15 to 20 yards. I did not try to get nearne. I remained with a friend of mine, a Specie! Constable. I ,taut en reason to be alarmed in Mancheeter, after I beard that the Magistrates had determined not to interfere. 1 . 11 put you a caw. Suppese at that Meeting speeches bed b-en made of an inflammatori nature by various speaker, and ie. :Wield.: of the Local Authorities—that is, the Magistrate;-- I ask you, would you be confident that such a Meeting weufd ha sate in iNianchester?—l think speeches of that kin 4 always h eve a bad effect: but, as I never heard such, I cannot give an 3,ZWtr. Suppose a speech of this sort The farce of petition is now Olaf ; -a million and a half of men have petitioned for Reform ; tie greater part have been rejected, and none attended to; and should the people again Jtoup to anything like petition, they .0/1 deserve what they now suffer tor their dastardly conduct. But we are confident that the spirit of the people will never again coadesceed to pray to those whom the people themselves eadht to delegete. The most determined men in the country tar: ii: the retake of the Reformers. Where can the clans of Corruption flnd writers of equal talent to Cobbett. or resolu eir to Cartwright, Zee.? Behind yoni is Starvation; before you, the ientalions of Corruption. On all hands, we see nothing but great Noblemen, Placemer, Pensioners, and a horde of black cattle whom they call Bishops ; Fendholders, who consume ef.::41,C00,000 a•year of the puleiie money, and those who give ye--; a bullet when you cry for hrcad.'—Do yeu think, after hearing such a speech as that, there would be no danger from -the mob?—!This was part of a speech delivered at a Meeting In Stnithlie:ci;. Mr. Melt said, this was not proved to he a speech of hls, and • it might have been made by the Learned Counsel himself, fer • ineght he knew. Mr. St :A LL,77.—ls that decorous? Nr,Justice Bayer:v.—l think the question may he put, riot as yerporting wori.s used by snt, hut as a stieposition of elle Learned Cuuesel himself. He may AA the witness his opinion of what tb probenle effect of such words would be, upon such a multitude, and in the temper in which he described them to be. Mr. Bunt bowed, and the witness said, I should consider such a * speech very improper. ire the Cout,a.-- , You are ashed, would it pioduce anger?--I rent answer that, I am no politician. • 1);(1 the people appearto you to be of the labouring class?— G.r.erally speaking, they were. Were there rot complaints of distress among that order in the reighbourhoed great many. 1•': use what yen saw and knew, did you think they were dis ce.etented?—l did thick many of the working classes were dl3-. c mtented. MI you think then that a meeting of such persons would not be ieflanv;d by such a speech as this?—.l should think, from such a si,cech os this to the lower class, they Would. • Did you see in the 3 , ..!ancliester,Obseerer an account of the Re solutions passed at Smithfield?-.L•No; I don't read it. Suppose o,Resolution was proposed like this :---,, That lives and taxes ought not, in conscience, to be obligatory upon those who had no voice in making them : Tint it is expedient, after the Ist January, MO, not to submit to any taxes, except im posed by those who are filly and fairly delegated by the mass of the people, and chosen by all the voices in the State."—(This also is a Resolution passed at .the..aanne Meeting at Smithfield.) Would that inflame or produde dY.dger at such a Meeting?—l do not know the lower classes enough to give art opinion. A t art great deal would d on the way in which they bon their -sufferings ; I was , aware of what was to be done there. I do not know tha • tfous publicationa had been circulated at Manchester for some time preceding. If such were, would it make you think they would be dan gerous ?—I think them improper; but it would depend on the degree of irritation they would produce. Did the appearance of the people seem to be the result of a previous arrangement?—l think so. By the Comet—Do you think they could come in that way without a previous arrangement?—l do not. By Air. SeAaLrrr.—Am I to understand you to say, that people coming together in such numbers would net create alarm ?--I think where there are greater numbers, thera is greater danger, hut the character of the Meeting appeared to be perfectly peaceable. I never said such a Meeting ought to be dispersed. I don't know Carlil.:. By Mr. Hunt.—l read in the Papers of the Meeting in Smith field. If these Resolutions had passed in Smithfield and had no bad effect, would you think they would he worse at Nianches ter?—l do not think they would, except that from the general feeling amongst the lower classes, they might think themselves more interested here than in London. Suppose the.people in London had met and passed such a Re solution without any bad effect, is there any reason why it would produce a differenCeffect at Manchester?—l sec no ri her reason, than because the people in our neighbourhood sittre.more .interested. Did you hear that the Resolutions at London produced any bad effect?—No. What reasons have you to think that it would be worse at Manchester than at London ?—No other than the condition of the manufacturing claases. If such a speech as that about black cattle h'd been spoken at Wigan without any bad efrect, do you shirk it would be worse here ?—I do not; Wigan is a manufacturing town. Suppose any one, and he a man'of great sense, talent, and legal knowledge, used sucha speech as this to a multitude—" As a Lawyer I would say the first Meeting was illegal." Mr. Serjeant CROSS rose to object to reading the speech of a Member of l'arliament. Mr. Hunt—Oh, Mr. Cross, you need not say anything. Never fear, we never eiall have your speech in Parliament ! [This epeeeh, which !t was about to read, was Mr. Scarlett's upon the late new Bills.] • ' Mr. Hunt read—" As a Lawyer, I would declare the first Meeting illegal. The object was then changed. The '1;001 took place; and what followed? Orator Hunt was arrested, and the people were cut down by the Yeomanry." Now, what would be the effect of such a speech as that to a multitude? Mr. Seaman (warmly)—My Lord, as a Member of the House of Commons, I must protest against having read hers what was spoken there. Mr. Hunt—The Learned Counsel is a little warm. I never said it was his speech. Mr. Justice atetay—f must insist that there be no more in terruptions. Mr. Scarlett is now arguing, and when be has done, I will hear you in reply. Mr. Scans:7-4 put a speech to the witness, which had been actually spoken by one of the defendants et a Public Meet ing, and I asked him what lie thought would be the effect of such a speech addressed to the Meeting at Manchester? It was as a means of knowing his opinion as to its capability of excite ment that I put it; but does it, therefore, follow, that he can riu.ke use of a speech that never was spoken to a multitude, and which I recollect to be Dlr. I)earre.ll s speech in the House of Commons, and ask the witness's opinion of it? It would be quite competent for him, as I have asked wb the effect of an inflammatory speech would be, to ask what would be the pro- bable effect of a moderate one, under the like circumstances? but certainly not a speech in Parliament. Mr. JILLItiCe BATLIEYI will not suffer you, Mr. SCaliett, to go upon these grounds! When a little while ago, I permitted you to read a speech from a Paper, it was not because it was Mr. runt's or any other, but merely al a. supposition of your own, and I thought you were at liberty to put any number of sentences together, and ask the witness what he thought would be the effect, if no and so were spoken." Mr. SC/12111 r—My object is to know, whether or not, the de fendantf have conspired to excite discontent? 171 prove, that this speech had, in. fact, been circulated previously, with that view. Ido not charge the defendants with a os riot. Mr. Scrjeant Cans --liefore the trial is over; we will prove, that this speech was madeby one of the defendants. Mr. Hunt—My Lord, may I be allowed to speak a word? ' (M:. &arlett was rising at the same time.) . Mr- Justice liaraxv—Am I to be respected? Mr. Hunt--My Lord— Mt. Justice Revere—When the Counsel for the Crown have *done, I will then hear you. Mr. Hart (with a profoeni bow)—Most certainly, my Lord. Mr. Justice Bacacs—Then don't bow in words, and contra dict it by your actions. Mr. Hunt then apologised, but, at the Fame time took occa sion to complain, that, however kind the Court was to him, he was net often enough allowed to reply to the observations of Counsel. 'He contended, that the speech was not proved to be his, and that though the Paper in which it was, was put in evi dence. merely on account of an advertisement—yet, from the case of the King r Perry; it was laid dowa, that a detached part of a Newspaper could not be given in evidence, unless it was proved by itself. Mr. Seaeurr repeated, that no one was at liberty to use the speech of a Member of Parliament: If be had published that speech with hrs name, he could be indicted for it ; but as it could not be printed without a breach of privilege, it never could be given in evidence. and, therefore, ought net to be alluded to here. Mr. Justice Bavt.rr.—" The situation I am placed in is ra ther a delicate one. If the question had been, wheth.ir the speech of a Member of Parliament was to be given in evidence, as a lawyer I could hive no hesitation in disposing of it; but that is not the question no ov. The question is for the witness to say, whether he thought such and such a speech (I &en% care where it was got) would have any, or what effect upon a multi tude in the temper that he has described that of Manchester. I look upon them as naked specimens of speeches, which might as %veil be made in Court, and propounded to the witness. It was precisely for this reason that I permitted Mr. Scarlett to use the other speech, not as one of any of the defendants, but as an unconnected and disembodied piece of compositior. As Mr. Scarlett then thought proper to use a certain set of words, I can see r.o objection to Mr. Hunt's using another; but I don't care whether they have been spoken by a man hi Parliament or out of it. I think, therefore, he may put them purely as his own supposition to the witness, and get an opinion upon th;)r proba ble effect if they had been spoken. It gives me some pain to make this decision, but as a lawyer I must do it." Mr. SCAILLETT.-1 now waive my objection. Mr. Ilunt.—Yes, when you can no longer make any lilt of it. Mr. Justice Bartsr.—l would rather the question had not been put. Mr. &rata-Dr.-I%ly Lord, I am now anxious it should. Mr. ilunt.—Niy Lord, I don't desire it should. Your Lord ship has said, it cost you some pain to decide in my favour, and though I see the advantage of putting it, yet I will refrain from doing so, not from any regard to the feainp of Mr. Scarlett at the awkward situation that I would put him in, but simply from what has fallen from ror Lirdship, that you did not wish Lit should. I therefore decline asking the question.—(A stifled buzz of applause in the Court followed this declaration.) • Thomas ltnthwell, James Schofield, Isaac .Wood, and Sa muel Slack, deposed as to the peaceable character of the Meet ing, and its non-resistance of the military. John Molireux gave evidence to the same effect, and was Cross-examined by Mr. Serjeant Caoss--Ilad been at the for • [The following is the extract from Mr. Scarlett's speech upon which arose the argument :—" The people meet to petition. The magistrates issue a warrant to arrest certain individuals; , and that beins executed, the Yeomanry disperse the crowd at the edge of the sabre. Three days afterwards, the thanks of the Prince Regent were given both to the Civil and Military Au thorities; and what was the unavoidable inference,. but that opinions, however absurd or preposterous, were to be put down by the bayonet, and that Ministers intended to act on a system of• military coercion? Did sot this demand inquiry? laid not this call upon the whole nation to insist that inquiry should be instituted mer Meeting. n-January, when Mr. Hunt , presided.. Witness ! was not on the hustings. Knight was on tbe hustings. Witaless dined with there. afterward* at the Spread Eagle; three were speeches and toasts; a good many loyal ones ; thought " The immortal memory of Thomas Paine" was given. The Junes objected to evidence being given on this point. Mr. Scam.zir and Mr. Serjeant Cams contended, that as Mr. Hunt had called a witness to prove that his conduct was never disloyal or irreligious, it was opeia, for them to prove what his conduct had been on the occasion referred to. The Junos remarked,that Mr. Hunt might have attended the meeting in question, and toasts of a very improper character might have been given at that Meeting; but if anything dis loyal were proved against Mr. Hunt in January, unless the con spiracy charged were shewn to have then been in existence, it was not to be inferred that he was guilty of the particular of fence for which he was now to be tried. Mr. Serjeant CROSS submitted that evidence to the loyal and religious character of Mr. Hunt having been given by his ser vant, testimony of an opposite character might be received. The Junoz said, if the evidence referred to had been objected to at the time, he might sot have suffered it to proceed; but, since it had been given, it could not now be allowed to open the way to more inadmissible evidence. Mr. SCARLST2 submitted, that a precedent for the course he wished to be pursued was to be found in the case of Hardy and coffers, for nigh Treason. In that case speeches were allowed to be proved, which had been made some time before. Mr. Hunt said, the evidence referred to had been given by the prosecution •in a chi..fexamiration,•sa that time was afforded to the defendants to bring forward evidence to refute the insinua tion. If he had attended the dinner in question, and if his con duct had been improper, that cseld not be referred to uow. Ile would submit to his Lordship, unless it had a tendency to call another Pileeing in furtherance of the alleg , ql conspiracy, he apprehended it could not be lasvfid to rake up all the errors of his past life to provt him gititty of this paiticnlar offence. If a man migl:t thus be pursued for baying acted improperly at one period of his life, it was of no use for him to tban t ;e, and be come what he ought to be. After some further argument, the Junox decided, that an act of disloyalty or sedition proved after existence, miltlat be an act against all the parties included in the indictment. Ile, how ever, objected to going into the general character of the de fendant, thence to draw an inference that he was guilty of a par ticular action. Examination resumed.—Mr. Hunt was at the dinner: did not remember Johnson, Kukla, or Bamford In ing there. Mr. hunt said something after dinner ; heard nothing about his being 40011 ainong them again; had no expectation of this (coin what passed at the dinner. He (Mr. Bunt) was called to the Chair by the compang. Witness was not one of the Committee; he was not iuyited; was never at Johnson's house in his life. nets attended the Meeting on the 16th of August ; could norsay that he clivapproved of the objects of that Meeting:. Mr. Hunt said, he had a great number of witnesses to tall, who should speak to the sane facts that had been stated by those who had already given their testimony. If any intimation were given that the Jury were satiaLed on any particular points—if a question could be put to them on any of these, it might save a great deal of time. The Juntait could at present put nn question to the Jury. ' Mr. Hunt then proceeded to exandue the witness.—He (wit ness) was at Manchester on the morning of the troll. He described those who attended it to have been distinguished by great regu larity, jocularity, and mirth, and corroinonted the principal 'statements of several of the preceding witnesses on the subject of the peaceable and loyal demeanour of the people, which lie re -1 gardeil as a most gratifyirg sight. When the Cavalry advanced' the crowd held up their hats, se as to form a guard against the .soldiers, flying from them at the same tine, in older to niake as much way as pessible. Saw no stones thrown or sticks raised against them, or any other act of resistance or defiance. Cross-examined by Mr. :.;ZADLET7.—Those at the extremity of the crowd fled : those witl.in , from the pressure they sus tained, timed in. The Cc.nstables followed the Cavalry. Wit. nets preached at a Chapel callcci ChriEt'a Church. Never saw so large a congregation as that assembled en the 16th of Au gust. Could not have made himself beard by all the Meeting. but from the hustings more than twenty thousand might have heard him. The Meeting was not so deliberative as if assembled in a place of worship ; was highly gratified to see the assembly "so.peaceable ; did not disapprove of them ; as a people he ap proved of them ; they could not all be Sovereigns. lie approved of the penceableness of the people. Had he known the intentions of the people, he could have said whether he approved of them or nut. .He saw a flag inscribed " Union," with two hands on it. He did not see 0 Love," nor " Taxation without Re presentation is tyrannical,' nor all the other inscriptions. He saw `i No Corn Laws"—" Annual Parliaments," and " Vcte by Ballot." What he saw on the flags did not apply to the purpose of the Meeting, but merely that those who carried such flags thought such objects desirable. These objects be thought would be desirable if they could be obtained, agreeably, and with general concurrence. Should approve of a Meeting to in culcate on the people those things which were for the prospe , lity'of the Nation. He had written two pieces for the (.bserver ; they were connected with the Bible, and with politics, if Scripture was connected with them. They were so con nected, not intentionally nor accidentally ; they were connected ith politics and the present state of the country no further than they were connected with Scripture. It was not the practice of the sect to which he belonged to apply Scripture to politics. One of the articles referred to was written before, one after the Meeting; did not know when they were written ; would nut swear they were written twenty years, twenty months, twenty weeks, or ten days before the Meeting; the one written before the Meeting might probably be addressed to the Ministers who had subscribed to the Manchester Pclice Declaration; he :meant to say that it was addressed to the Clergymen; to the Ministers who had signed the Declaration in support of the PoliCe ;he wrote to disapprove of murder; that no Minister ought to ap prove ; he wrote his Address to blame those who signed a De claration in support of the Police before the 16th of August. The principles of the Scripture were his guide when writing it. Was not certain whether the Declaration was signed by most of the Clergy. It was signed by the Clergy of the Church of Eng land, but not by the majority of the Dissenting Ministers. His sect had no name. They were Bible Christians. Did not know Mr. Carlin.. Did not read the Manchester Observer every week. Did not notice the name of Mr. Carlile among those invited to be present at the Meeting of the 16th. Saw two or three of his congregation at the Meeting, but not on the hustings. Re-examined by Mr. Hunt.—Thought his letter was against the Clergymen who approved of the proceedings of the 16th. On recollection be thought that both his letters were written after the 16th of August. To the best of his recollection both the papers that he had given to the Manchester Observer were written after the 16th of August. What he had first written was signed.S. It was disapproving the conduct of the Clergy 'on sonic protrinent occasion connected with politics. Thomas and William Brooks, deposed each to the peaceable appearance and conduct of the Meeting. John Hobson, examined by Mr. Hunt. —Was not in any bu siness. Resides at Heath-green, about three miles from Man chester. Was at the Meeting of the 16th of August. He was proceeding to speak to the ocoerrences of that day, when The JO= inquired if this witness was produced to speak to the same points on which the preceding witnesses had been ex amined ? Mr. Hunt replied in the affirmative. _ _ The Junco left it for Mr. Hunt tri proceed as he thought pro per : he had no wise to prevent his going on in the way he pro posed, if he (Mr. Hunt) thought that it woul4 add to the weight of testimony. Mr. Ilant said, many w!treases who could speak to the same point (not fewer than seventy) had been told to go home. A few most respectatie proons remained, whom he wished to be examined. The examination then proceeded.—Witness spoke to the peaceable conduct of the crowd. Saw no resisoance offered to the soldiers Joseph Barrett, examined by Mr. Hunt—ll-sides at Ncw ton Heath, where he is a manufacturer, employed from 100 to 200 men. Had a warehguse in the market-place at Manchester. Saw no alarm created by the proceedings of the day. -Was near enough to hear Mr. Hunt's address to the multitude. Saw no confusion or alarm till after the arrival of the Yeomanry. Saw nothing done to oppose, intimidate, or insult the Yeomanry. Did not bear Mr. Hunt say to the people of the military— " There are your enemies; if they molest you rut thrill down;, having got them down, keep them down." Must have heard theSe words if they had been used. Jonathan Hobson, exatnined by Mr. Hunt.—Resided at - . Liverpool; has a house and a warehouse in Manchester. Is a merchant by profession. Was in a house behind thustings on the 16th of August. He heard Mr. Hunt e x h or t_ Meet ing to be pesgetbk. and quiet, and defeat the wishes of thcit enemies. Did not understand the words " Put them dcwn ard keep them down," to he applifd to the military, but to a' y persons who Alight seek to create a disturbance. No soldier; were in sight at the time. Saw nothing done to intimidate er oppose the Cavalry. There was a shout, but he considered it to be a shout of welcome. Did not hear sir. Flunt use any words like these—" Never mind them (frie soidietr); the are only a few, and we are a host against 'them." The crowd col lecred about the hustings4vere not difftrent from those anti-.- bling about other hustings ; they bad nothing hire the appene.- ante of disciplined soldiers. Many women were mixed with the crowd, apparently drested in their best clothes. Saw Loth`.' g there or elsewhere in Manchester that created ie his mind-atiy feeling of alarm for the safety of the thith ;. saw nothing to excite fears in any rational mind. Here, from the lateness of the hour, the Court was about to adjourn, when Mr. PEARSON stated, that the evidence - for the defence viva neatly closed. They proposed to call but seven witn , :!sn s more, and two to character. 'f he exeminaticns, so far as del :tided on them, would not be long on:-s. Mr. Hunt said, they coild not answer for t'io kngth :a which they Might emtend, and had thLrefore butt: say no:kMg about it. Mr. Plansos did not think the examination of the remainirt witnesses would occupy more than three hours. lie :dough: it probable that they might be finished in that time. The Alice then said, if the examination of witnesses shoat& close within the time mentioned, it was irobabte, that, in the course of to-morrow, he should have to address a few obserris dons to the Jury, to direct their attention to the points which would be left for their particular consideration. Wm. Binos, examined by Nlr. Ilunt.—Had to do -with the making of a flag for the Bury people. • lie mate an oroarnent for the top of it of piece of tut, in the forinof affair de iis. Was' employed to paint it yellow. Had nit much time on his hauds, and lie painted it red. liere witness gave in a drawing of tite.,4eur de ifs, which was handed round to the Jury. Witness had no yellow paint, and so in the emergency he painted it red,_thisking it could be of no consequence. That was the only reason for painting it red. Cross-examined by Mr. SC A MA/T.—Did not publishlthis rea son in a newspaper. Had made the drawing since iron recol lection. John Smith examined by Mr. ll:mt.—Was a cotton-spinner at Manchester; was at Alanchester on she :Ona cf August; was in a house in Mount-street, that overlooked the field. It was in the same row with 'air. lhaton's house: saw the difitrent parties march up in an orderly manner; an -the Yeomanry ar rive. Up to the time of their arrival,. had seen nothing to ex cite his fears fur the safey of the town. The tnilitary formed opposite to the house next but one to that in which he was. S..w no opposition made to the military;. saw. nothing done . to nicnnidate or 'threaten beim Heard no. booting, 61%514, groaning, rid after the dispersion of the Meeting. Saw no stones .or sticks thrown at theta, or thrown up in the air. Thought-he must have seen anything of the kind that had occurred. The military might be a dozen or twenty yards front witneAs when they formed. The people near the Yeomanry immediately ran away. Cross-examined by Mr. SerjPant Huntatx.—The people at the outside of the crowd begin to run ; others cheered the mili tary by the hustings. Did not recollect the crowd closii.g on the military. Witness was a partner in the house of John Smith and Brother. /lad been at two public Meetings. Did not ar prove of animal Parliaments and universal suffrage. Thomas William Sanderson, examined by Mr. Hunt.—Was a merchant at Manchester, in the firm of Sanderson and Co. lives at Chem/bent, twelve miles from Manchester; has a ware house at Manchester; some of his firm live there rgenerey came to Manchester once or twice a-week; keeps his own car riage; was in Manchester on the 16th of August; arrived chin t eleven in the morning ; saw no processions on the road, or in Manchester; went to his warehouse, and the ordinary business was transacted during the whole of the day ; went to Peter's- Feld ; did not go as a Radical Reformer, to lake part in the proceedings of the Meeting ; he had an affidavit that it was ne cessary to swear before a Magistrate; he went to Mr. Buxton's house, where the Magistrates were assembled ; 'he went merely on private business ; saw the Magistrates assembled; had seen nothing to excite alarm for his person or property ; he found nobody in a state of alarm'; saw nothing to excite the alarm of • any sober rational mind, when he fast came on the ground; Le saw nothing to excite alarm before the Cavalry came; be did not see the Cavalry arrive. Cross-examined by Mr. Serjeant Caoss.—Knew there was to be a Meeting that day, but how it was to be composed, or what numbers it was to contain, he did not know. having dispatched his private business, he returned. Did not hear or any alarat among the Magistrates. Was in their company from five to tea minutes. Was not a stranger. He- knew Mr. Fletcher. The poor at Manchester were content, so far as he knew, unless they were dissatisfied at not being able to earn a subsistence. Saw no danger from the assembling of a huadred thousand men that day ; conceived that such a number of the labouring classes might assemble without danger to the public peace. lie disap proved of large bodies being brought together from distant places, because it led to great idleness; he did not know that it would lead to any disturbance; it might do so; disapproved of the mode in which the Meeting was brought together ; did net know the objects of the Meeting; might be a Reformer him self; he did not know Mr. Hunt.—Several• other questions were put to witness, on the subject of Radical Reform. Wit ness did not understand .he words. Hunt 'then inquired, if he were told that a pistol loaded with nine bullets was connected with Radical &twin, whellier he would not know that that was untrue? The Roos objected to thissquestion. The witness was then allowed to retire ; and at a quarter bcfoie seven o'clock the Court adjourned tel to-morrow. NINTH DAY.—YORK, SATURDAY, MARCH st.S. Edmund Darby, examined by Mr. Hunt.—l live in Manches ter, and am a builder. I know Willie the butcher ; I have known him from two to three years; from the knowledge I have of him I would not believe him on his oath. Cross-examined by Mr. ScAscrrr.—l have lived 20 years in Manchester ; I never saw him examined in a Court of Justice ; I never was in one in my life ; I was at the Meeting of the IGth of August last; I was not at that in January. It was merely out of curiosity I vent there. I live in Thcmas-street. It was on Thursday morning last I came to York. By the COURT.—Nk . 'hat is your reason for saying you would not believe him on his oath ? My reason is, he has so often deceived me within these last four months, that I could net give credit to anything he says. William Phillips also spoke very indiftetently of Willie's chr.- racier. John G. Roberts, and Michael Heavyside, deposed as to the generally peaceable character of the Meeting. The Rev. Mr. Hindmarsb, a Dissenting Minister, examined by Mr. Hunt.—Witnessed the Meeting, and saw nothing dig. orderly in it—nothing of resistance manifested to the military— all seemed joy and satisfaction. Cross-examined by Mr. Scantrre.—Whilst they were coming up I was near the Quakers' Meeting-House. There was then a great crowd interposed between sue and them. I might be stand ing about 60 yards from them. One of my objects in going was to see Mr. Hunt, of whom I had heard so much. I had no con nexion with any party; I have kept clear of them for 30 years. I cannot say anything of the banner bearing the inscription— " Equal Representation or Death." I never said that the bon ners were not indicative of the character of the Meeting; I think " Equal Representation" is equal to " Liberty or Death." One is an ancient matte, but this is a contest in this country. Now will you say a mob which had this was disposed to peace? —I do . not think it indicated any breach of the peace on that da y . Liberty or death indicated no breach of the peace, nor do I t hink any of the other banners were intended to be acted upon that day What other day, then ?—I do net knew; I can only give col., dense of the character of the Me,:ting of that day; of the result I can say nothing. Would you think it safe to inculcate to such a multitude doc trines such as—Equal Representation, Liberty or Death 7—l don't think the peace of the Nesting, or of the town, would have been endangered by it on that occasion. I'll put you another—Did you see the inscription, * Let ea die like men, not be sold like slaves ?"—I did not. We will assume then that it was there?-1)o then. Do you think it would be safe to preach such doctrines as those to the Meeting ?—I considered it to be a general senti ment, on many occasions in public life, that the people are sold as slaves. I have often heard them say, atter Members of Par liament were elected, that they are sold ; I don't justify it, bat I give what I have heard. You think it site, then, to proch such doctrine► :—I des pc.s. fcctly so. 111 I I I , , I, itl v cif