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. . don p e signed by upwards of tooo prow and he moved that they be r inted. - • Lord NUGENT said, as soloed those petitions itro cecled from places contained within the town he had the honour to represent, he felt it his duty to state, that, with revert t.' such place, the Noble Marquii had been misinformed. He was bound not to allow the s atement of the Noble Lord to pa.s oncontradicted, e (Lord Nugent) had been returned by 5,090 per sons without canvass and without expense, although his sentiments were well known. The Marquis of CHANDOS maintained that the opinions of the great majority of the county of Bucking ham upon this question remained unchanged. There were, doubtless, shades of difference among the consti. tuents of the Noble Lord, but he (Lord Chandos) would deny that the majority thought with the Noble Lord He would leave the question to be decided by the issue of the next general election. Lord NUGENT repeated his statement concerning the mod meets of the parties to whom he bad referred. Sir G. WARRF.NDER said that there were in& viduals possessing large estates in the county of Buck ingham who had expressed ophiions opposed to those of the Noble Lord who presented these petitions. With regard to the degree of importance to be attached to the petitions, he would ask the Noble Lord if any notice had been given to the inhabitants of the parishes from which they came for public meetings to consider the question ? Unless such meetings had been held, 112 contended that the petitions could only be taken as con 'eying the sentiments of 7 000 individuals, and that it might be firly inferred from their silence that the rest of the county were ether quite contrary in opinion, or neutr.l upon the subj ct. When he heard that the utii vet sal opinion of the county .of Buckingham was against the Catholic claims, he could not help stating the result of his own experience; and I,e would remind the Noble Lord that he himself had admitted, at his el. ction, that there was a difference of opiaion among his constituents sr' that question. Petitions ordered to be printed. The Marquis of CHANDOS me notice that he would move, on to-morrow evening, for a call of the House on Thursday, the 6th of ',Loeb. Sir R. INGLIS presented a similar Petition from a parish In the county of Warwick, which had been signed since the publics. Lion of the King's Srech.—Ordered to be printed. Colonel SIB t HORPE, in presenting a Petition against further concessions to the Roman Catholics from the Churchwardens, Householders, and Inhabi tants of a palish is the county of Lincoln, said that the numerous petitions of a similar character which had en committed to the care of the Noble Marquis. and the respectability of the parish whose sentiments were expresso.] in the petition entrusted to him (Colonel Sib thori.i), afforded a strong roof that the feeling of the count, y was adverse to the admission of the Catholics to political nosier. Sir . ROBERT HERON begged to ask the gallant Colonel, it the feeling of the iountry was so general against fir !her conee-sion to the Catholics, how it hap pened that out of fifty-.wo counties only two had es pres‘ed a feeling of the kind ? Colonel SIBTHORPE said, that the country was totally tinacqu,i , ited, until very lately, with the mea sure. in cuatempl stion by Ministers, in whom they had reposed ctmfideoce—he would say, a misplaced confi d nee. No however, that their views were explained, the oils - lic leeliny would not he slow in declaring itself. Air. SIII It I.EY presented Petitions from the Congregation of dui l'rt.hyteriJn Church of the Parish of Stonebridge, o unty of Monaghan; trout Drum. in the county of - Nlonagban ; and from the Clergy and Parish ut 3lockno, county of Monaghan, against' further concessions to the Roman Catholics. Mr. ROWLAND HILL proninted a Petition from the lido. bitauts of the Parish of St. Asaph, county of Salop, against further orincessions to the Roman Catholics. Mr. EG ERTON presented a similar Petition from Lyme, in the county of Chester. Mr. P. M QUEEN presented a similar Petition from Ilitchin, is Boitordsh"tr.—Ordered to be printed. Mr. WILLIAM FLTZG ERA ID presented a Petition from the Roman Catholic Inhabitants of Naas in favour of the Catholk Claims. Sir JOHN NEWPORT presented similar Petitions from the Roman Catholic inhabitants of the parishes at the Holy Trinity and St. Patrick. itsthe city of Waterford. Mr. SPRING RICE rose to present Petitions in fa vour of the Cuholic Claims from the parishes of Ro• beastown, Ballynakill, and Shanagolden, county of L'inetick. The Honourable Member said, that tie House would pay greater attention to the interests of the Catholic body in consequence of the Association baying been voluntarily dissolved, than if it had not fz hibited a disposition to attend to the sentiments of the Crown and the Legisl4ture. He was gratified by hear ing to-day the, nor only was the Catholic Asosciation dissolved, but also all the societies in Leland organized for the same pu•pose. He hoped that those established for opposite views would enter into a generous rivalry vt ith their late opponents, and lose no time in foliating their example. Mr. TItANT said that the Associatii ns to which the lion Member had just alluded were of a different cha tarter (tom the Catholic Association, and did not merit the description given to that body io the Speech (tom the Tht one. Mr. sYKESprewnted a Petition In favour of the Catholic Claims, trout Kingston upon Hull. Ms OTWAY CAVE said that, to show the state of public feeling nn the question, he would mention one fact :—The day before the meeting of Parliament a public meeting had been held in the town he had the honour of representing. at which a Petition was resolved upon in favour of the Catholic Claims, and only (me hand was raised a..ainst ir. Three years ago Leicester bad been quoted as being among the places most trio. lowly tippnsed to the measure. Mr. WOOD (of Preston) said that an lion. Member (General Gascoyne). in presenting a Petition from Liver pool against concessions to the Catholics, had stated that a similar Petition might shortly be expected from Preston. This statement had excited the greatest sur prise in that town; and he was en 'bled to say that, in soaking it. the Gallant General may have been misin formed. There were ceitainly highly respectable in dividuals in Preston opposed to the claims of the C t. /holies bat tey entertained no idea of petitioning. lie would read a note which he had received from an infi..- Ibitant of that pl .ce relative to the Gallant Genera.% statement. The Hon. Member commenced reading the "ante refer red to. when The SPEAKER called the Hon. Member to order, and said that the Hun. Member must feel that it was against the rules of that House so read a note referring to a previous debate. Mr. WOOD resumed, and said it was not the intention of his constituents to present any petition against the measure, and thal, if shy were attempted, it would be met by a counter petition. The Honourable Gentleman concluded by presenting a Petition from a Unitarian Congregation in Hull in favour of the Catholic Claims. Sir EDWARD KNATCHRULL presented a Petition from the Archdeacon and Clergy of the Diocese of Canterbury against further concessions to the Roman Catholics. Mr. G EORG R MOOR E presented similar Petitions from East Mu►ketry and West Musketry, in the county of Cork, and from 'Nemesia,' Inhabitants of parishes in the county of Donegal. Mr. H. M AX WELL presented a Petition from the Inhabitants of the town of AlohaU, in the county of Leitrim, against further crincessions to the Unman Catholics. Th. Hon. Member also presented Petitions against the Catholic Claims from the Prom tint Inhabitants ef kaniseontiy. from the Parish of St. Mary, front Irednateers, la the county of Fermaaagb, and from Mei Otstlnnen, Clergy, and InhaWants of the parish of Carriceßan, In She county of Fermanagh. Mr. PETIT peessoted a Pedtloo pf a similar character from the Ishebttahts of Bishop's Menkton. Mr. MACLEDD presented Petitions from several Parishes iti Sudbury, against the Catholic Claims. The Hos. Member stated, that all these -Petioles, bad been signed dace the circulation of the King's Speech, and that although the language of them was re spectful,yet it was stronger than the Petitioners bad ever steed before, while the numbers by which they were signed were greeter than on any former occasion. He bad given only one vote on this subject; that vote was against the claims of the Catholics; and he saw no reason to give a different vote. He regretted th at the people of this country, who, in his opinion, were decidedly hostile to the Catholic claims, should. in returning Members to that House, be so careless as to allow the vote of one of their Members to neutralise the vote of the other. This was the cam in the county of Kent, and 26 counties In England were in the same situation. The people were now about to suffer the penalty of such carelessoess.—The Petitions to be printed. Mr. F. WESTpresented two Petitions from parishes in Denbigh against any further concessions to the Roman Catholics. Mr. HART DAVIS presented a Petition from the inhabitants of Bristol against the Catholic claims, and another from the parish of Sc. Jacob to the same effect. Admiral SOTHERON presented Petitions front the Minister and Churchwardens of East Markham ; from West Drayton ; from ilbelford ; from Brenton-Joyce ; from the inhabitants of Cutting* ham • from the inhabitants of Wodborough ; from the Inhabitant" of th e town of Foxford ; and from the inhabitants of the town of Lorton, all In the county of Nottingham, against further concessior to the Roman Catholics. Lord ENNISMORE presented a Petition from the Roman Ca tholics of Listowell, in the county of Kerry, praying for Catholic Emancipation, and another from sense ether parish in the same .county against the Vestry and Sub-letting Acts. The LORD MAYOR moved for returns of the quanties of tobacco which bad been made into cigars, and also for some other return. upon the same subject. Mr. PALMER presented four petitions front places , he Berkshire, against any further concession to the Roman Ca tholics. The Hon. Member stated, that he always thought it his duty to oppose any measure having foe its object the granting po litical power to the Catholics, but he never said that the time might not come when the creation ought to be taken into consi deration, with a view to a satisfactory adjustment of the Roman Catholic Claims. He had always had confidence in the individuals who compose his Majesty's Ministry, and be would not say, until he knew what the measure would be which they intended to bring forward, whether he would be compelled to oppose it. He was willing to fulfil the injunctions of his Majesty, and take the subject Into consideration ; and in doing so be hoped to divest himself of prejudice—(Htar). The Hon. Gentleman then presented the pe titions, which were from the Archdeacon and Clergy of Berko— front the inhabitants of Weitkorp—and from the borough of Wal lingford, in the county of Berks—aU praying that no further con cessions should be made to the Roman Catholic& Mr. ASHURST rase to present Petitions against Catholic Emancipation from the Archdeacon and Clergy of the diocese of Oxford; from Whitney, in Oxfordshire; and from the Inhabitants of Springford, in the same county. The Hon. Member said that, believing as he did that the admission of the Roman Ca. tholics to political power would tend to endanger the security of the Protestant institutions of this country, he fully concurred in what had fallen from the Hon. and Learned Member for Louth, that, if the qutation was to be at all settled, it ought to be done upon Pro testant principles. It had been said that this measurewas to he brought forward for the purpose of conciliation; but be (Mr. Ashurst) was of opinion that no measure which should be brought forward could have the effect of pleasing at once the Right Hon. Gentleman and the Roman Catholics of Ireland. He was led to this conclusion in consequence of referring to a Petition which bad been presented to that House by the Roman Catholics of Ireland, is which they stated that the grievance of which they complained was, that they were obliged to pay a Church of which they were not members. He should regret the pacing of the proposed measure • but, if the Dili was to be carried in spite of the opposition to be snide, then he (Mr. Ashurst) should direct his attention to rendering the meant, as satisfactory as possible to the Protestants of this country. The Eall of BECTIVE presented some Petitions' from places in Meath and Westmeath, in Ireland, against the Vestry and Sub letting Acts. The Noble Lord said that the opera tion of the lamer Act was peculiarly *afoul to the inhabitants of towns, as persons who had often expemM large sums of money on the improvement of houses were prevented from letting them with. out the consent of their landlords. Admiral EVANS presented a Petitioo from the Pro. testant inhabitants of the town and neighbourhood of Wexford, praying that no further concession might hal granted to the Roman Catholics. The petitioners, among other allegations, stated, that at the late election the Catholic Priests had conducted themselves in such a manner as to show the danger of a union of civil with spiritual power. H tying the honour of representing the town of Wexford, he hoped he might be permitted to say a few words on the s ubj ec t. Every one must re collect the horrible and melancholy circumstances which occurred in that town in 1798. It was impos sible that the Protestant inhabitants could bury those circumstances in oblivion. That, however, was an ex pression the exact interpretation of which might be misconceived ; since it had appeared on a recent occa• slots that bur) ing a matter in oblivion was interpreted to mean, bringing it forward immediately under the recommendation of the Crown—(A laugh). Tire Ro. man Catholics declar ed that they would be satisfied with nothing shod of unconditional emancipation. Were the PI otecant. prepared to grant that ? And if either party mu.t give way, ought it not to be the party which formed but a fourth or a fifth part of the population of the Empire, rather than the party possessed of so large a majority of numbers, and by which a family bad been expelled from its Throne for its adherence to Ca , tholic principles? He hid heard an Hon. Member opposite say that he should be happy to see a Catholic in his place in the Hou eof Commons. If care were not taken, that Hon. G: ntlernan would have the satis faction of seeing a Catholic not only in his place in the House of Commons, but in his place in the country— (A laugh). As a member of a Protestant community, he must solemnly declare that no foreign pots er ought to interfere in any of the affairs of this country, or to have a scintilla of power as connected with it. He must, roost strongly, but most conscientiously, oppose the measure which was about to be introduced. Mr. G. 0. MOORE rose to bear testimony to the respectability of the individuals whose names were at. tached to the petition. With most of them he was per sonally acquainted; and he highly valued their society as men of honour, honesty, and consistency. They had requested of hem to suppor t their petition, and he felt a pleasure in doing so. • Lord NUGENT then tose to present the petition of *hich he had given notice from the general body of the English CAtholres. He had also petitions to present atom Oxfordshire and Somersetshire. The general pe. tirion was signed by the Duke of Norfolk (Earl Mar s!,al), by eight peers, seven baronets, and about 18,000 other person-. The Noble Lord said it had been fee. quently his lot, under circumstances much less auspi cious to the petitioners, to unroduce their complaints to the notice of the House, and, if he now requested the attention of the House in wparticular manner upon the present occasion, it was because he hoped that he should iiow• for the list time have an opportunity of address ing them on behalf of a body of men who contained amongst them some of the most illustrious names iu the , kingdom. It had been untruly stated of these peti. tioners, that they were inconsistent with themselves in asking for utqu .lified emancipation, whilst they were teddy to accept something short of that. They had demanded a total and complete re-admission to their full rights, and to ask for less would be to bet ay their duty to themselves, to their great ancestors whose names they bole, and to their posterity. There was no inconsistency in their conduct. They asked for a full restitu ion of their rights; but threw themselves upon their country and upon Parlia ment, in the full confidence that, in doing an act of justice and sound policy, the Parliament would not clog it with any conditions which shiuld tender it inconsist. out with their boneur as Gentleman, with their tights chi/.'s% or with their religion as Roman Catholics; and he (Lord Nugent) did dot thick that there was any sa crifice which should not trench upon one of these con siderations which the Roman Catholics were not hotrod to make in defence to those apprehensions which some persons sincerely entertained. He fully hoped that the measure. when it should pass, would be an act of grace complete and final, and the languige aod con duct of the Right Honourable Gentleman opposite gave him every lesson to hope that it should be so. He !lusted that it would be a measure of such a name as should enable England to bring home that immense garrison which was now kept up in Ireland, and people that courtesy with the cheap defence of nations, which was produced by a population warmly attached to the Gn. vernment under which they were cherished. He hoped that the measure would be such a one as should enable a Roman Catholic gentleman to conform to witho t any taint or %%lipid o of his motives in so doing. The measure of Catholic Emancipation was one which 11,4.11 in its progress attracted to it the favour and support of the greatest men by whom this country had been eve, adorned. Having been introduced by Si' George Si ville, it was adopted by the brilliant genius of Bui ke, the severe but generous philosophy of Wyndham, and the devoted patriotism of Grattan. There was yet alive another great name who had shed the splenlour of his advocacy round the cause, and who, though he had for some time retired from public life, yet now watched the . proceedings of the House upon this ques tion with hopes as ardent and prayers as fervent as had animated the vigour of his manhood. In the brilliant circle of the great names by which this measure had been advocated there had been, however, one vacancy, which was at last filled up by the right hon. gei.tlern to opposite, and the crown was now complete. Sir CHRISTOPHER COLE sail, that he bad not intended to trouble the House upon the present occa but, in consequence of what had fallen fr..m some Holt. Members in the course of the debate, I e felt it his duty to declare, in his place, that he should not vote in sup port of any measure, unless the strongest securities should be given for the maintenance of the Protestant Establishments of the country. He was aware that in what he was about to say he should expose himself to obloquy; but he should nevertheless declare that the security which he wanted was security against the en croachments of the Papal Church. If he should be asked on what grounds Le entertained any apprehen sions from that quarter, he would say—look at the condition in which Italy has been kept for ages. which has been the result of the baneful influence of the Roman Catholic religion—look at Soak), where these was a degraded nobility and an ino.overished peop'e— look at Portugal, and say whether all the dissensions and miseries of that country were not produced by the conduct of the Papal Clergy. He did not wish to hurt the feelings of his fellow citizens in Ireland, but he could not help saying that a great part of the dis traction of that country had been produced by the con duct of the Papal Clergy. It was impossible that a person who, like him, had been engaged for upwards of fifty years in an honourable and gallant profession, should wish to exclude any past of his fellow citizens from their civil rights, Doles' upon a full conviction of the dangers which would result to the Constitution from their admission. In the service to which he belongs.d, be never found it necessary, in the performance of his duty to his King and country, to inquire into the reli gion of the gallant companions by which he was sur. rounded—(Hear). He had never found it necessary to ask whether his companions in arms were Protestant cr Catholic, but still he thought it his duty to vo e against Catholic Emancipation, unless it could be ace onpanied with securities for the preservation of the Protestant establishment. He could not sit down without saying a word as to the attacks which had been made upon the Right Hon. Gentleman who sat on the beach below him. He (Christopher Cole) could not believe that there was the slightest foundation for the assertion that the Right Honourable Gentleman had been influenced in the course which he had taken by any other motives than a pore regard for the welfare of his country ; and as to the Noble Duke at the head of the Government, it was impossible that he who had shed tears of humanity on the field of Waterloo should not tremble at the pros pect of a civil convulsion in the bosom of his own country. Entertaining these sentiments, and placing the highest confidence in his Majesty's Government, he should give them his support upon the introduction of the proposed measures to the House. Mr. RICKFORD (of Aylesbury) said that he should not have offered himself to the House upon the present occasion if it bad not been for the statement made by the Noble Lord on the state of to she feeling in the Hundreds of Aylesbury on the subject of the Catholic claims. He (Mr. Rickford) had at the last election canvassed the whole population of these Hundred., and he could affirm that fifteen out of every twenty of them were adverse to soy fusthei concession to the Roman Catholics. Mr. HUSKISSON said that he should not enter at prese t intu the very important and difficult question of securities; but, As he hoped that the present would be the last of those appeals, fruitless mid unavailing, which the petitioners had been for so many years making to the House, he hoped that he should be ex cused for troubling the House with a few words. He thought that the prospect which was now opening to the Catho is Peers of England most be delightful to the best feelings of all men of unbiassed minds and generous hearts. Apart from all consideration of the merits of the general question, he thought that no man who had viewed the conduct of these men, under political privations for a series of years; could ima gine that what they were now about to receive had been conferred in consequence of any intimidation from them. There was no man, he thought, who, in tendering them this boon at last, could be of so misgiving a nature as to entertain any apprehension about their future conduct. The Petition had been signed by some persons of the highest rank in the peer age of this ancient State. Their families had been For ages kept under the stigma ef a perpetual bill of pains and penalties, and under the blight of a perpetual forfeiture of those honours which their noble ancestors had received from the favours of former Sovereigns.— As tar as the Catholics of England were concerned, it was not necessary that the measure of concession should be preceded by coercion. It was not necessary in their case that, when the Legislature was inviting them into the temp!e of concord with one hand, it should meet them with a law of restriction on the other hand. If there were any persons opposed to the con cession of the claims oa the ground of the violence of other Catholics, the conduct of the Catholics of England. ever quiet and acquiescent, should induce them to bury in oblivion all the proceedings of the Catholics in Ire land. It should be an additional motive with such to acquiesce in the measure of concession, that of the Ca chalks of England no apprehension need be entertained. Let the House bind the Irish as well as the English Catholics in gratitude to the Crown, by enlarging the piure of their utility to the State s and thus enable them 4 to is:barge their duties to the Crown and the Lo t h. !wipe. Let them increase the attachment and utilityof the Catholics by advancing then ability to promot e t h e great i. ter eats of the country, and allowing tt ens a p ar . imitation in the advantages of the Constitution. Mr. THANT denied what the Hon. M toper had advanced in fairclur of the English Catholics, a n d h e negod the House only to recollect that the votes and mealues of the Irish Catholic As , nciation had be en ont add carried in a Meeting of the Catholics of England. He was an Irishman, and he was not at alt inclined to bear too ha d upon Isis own cou n t ry f ur what was called agitation, cons idering the encourage. ment held out to them in various ways; and partici. larly by the want of attention on the part of Genre' s' . meta at the commencement r f the agitati on , he was ni.t at all surprised that it h a d arr i ved at that pitch which had compelled th e G overn . meta 'to something which w as gene a ll y ca l led suhrnissioit. A sprit has been show n o il Co- part ul the Catholics of England which lsd him to think, that if they had been placed in a situation equally favourable to agit , tion with the Irish, their conduct would nut have ben very deffe , en , . He objected to all measures which were not mot:wanks by secu.itie., for he knew w e ll, by past experience, that a little leaven leavened the whole lump. Ever sillte he had been in Parliament h e had come early and gone I.te, and he ha , l found all proceedings trench nn one common object. His !tight Honourable Fiend (Mr. Peel), in his speech up .n this subject, delivered in 1817, had quoted an üb. serration of Mr Ilunies, in speaking if the reign of James the First and his Successor—.“ that religious .p s when it mingled with tl:e spirit el faction, corral:. in it something supernatural, and that, to its opeiation upon s •ciety, its effects c..riespond less to their known causes than ;any o her circumstances of Government." This w as precisely the leavin why he (Nlr.Traitt)opposeiCatholic Em ,ucipation. He was not influenced by their co n d uct or numbers; but, looking at !risco: v, he was compelh d, though very reluctant' No oppose the provsed n:e. ou He would address his Right Hon. F lend (Mr. Peel) in his own words to ed on a tot mer occasion, when opposing these Cath"lic Claims: " These reflections are c.a. V I 1 11 firmed by all hibtot y, mid may be a warning to us lin, we unsettle what we find establibhed. Let us luck to the Constitution which we have derived from rut as. cestors, under which we have enjoyed wire liberty, acquited more glory, and possess more power and Nose character than have fallen to the lot of soy other cow try of the }:lobe. It any man be undecided on the quew (ion, I entreat him to give the benefit hiv voice to 44 existing order of things, before he eves his suppoit ta A measure which is at best uircertatii, and by aluchl* may forfeit all the advinra ,es of t l- .e Government which IS for the speculative L.lva. cages of the Governmeet which may bet _ _ Dr. LUSHINGTON said, that nothing more Om the speech of the lion. Member who just set do's Conned the gross ign trance of some persons on the icy occurtences of the day. Nothing could be moie un founded than the aspersions thrown out by the Hon. Member on the Catholics of England. If the Hon. I Member had been in this country during the time be had spent in eastern climates, he would see that in times of doubt and difficulty, amid the conflict of excited hopes and fears, the English Catholics never be. trayed one sentiment of disloyalty, and that, though they «ere bound down by resole:ions more severe and galling, though less necessary or justifiable ; yet to these estimable persons the Honourable Member bad ascribed a wish to commit mischief if they had tha power. These persons, eminent for their rank iu society, the antiquity of their descent, though shut out from every ',gamete object of ambition, had confined them. • selves to the presentations of temperate and humble petitions; and if in Ireland, where education was mole limited, and the national character more excitable. the violence of the Catholic feelings had precipitated them beyond the bounds of prudence, that example was not followed by the Catholics of England. In fact, their conduct deserved the praise of every thinking man. He often thought that, if lie had been born in that religion, hewould have felt most bates ly at seeing his hopes blasted and himself unable to rise to that level in society to which his toils may entitle him—the legitmate object of his hopes and denies. He hoped, when the Hon. Member fur Dover would rise next to speak on the subject, he would give utterance to assertions more founded in truth and justice than his aspersions I on the Catholics of England. As to the Honourable Member's allusion to the conduct of the Right Hon. the flume Secretary, he was sum the Right Hon. Se cretary was not a man to be turned aside from his .tuty by the puny, insignificant, and contemptible taunts of the Hon. Member, eked out by garbled CIA tracts from speeches spoken under different circum stances. He had deeply considered the conduct of the Right Hun. Secretary for the Home Department, and the various accusations that had been urged against liim—that of inconsistency on one side, and a love of place on the other. Now, in his opinion, the Right Hon. Secretary was not guilty of either. It seas no in consistency to use various means for attaining the same end. It •as no inconsistency in the Right Hon. Gent. when hie obj•ct was to preserve the integrity of the Protestant establishment, to endeavour to effect thrt measure by supporting a measure of conciliation. It had been said that there was no change c f circumstance as affecting this question ; but was not the continuance of such circumstances a change of circumstances f— • Was it not a proof that the remedies that were ap plied had failed? • Was not a Minister who dewed peace often obliged to go to war in order to min peace? When a remedy that had been applied wasused • in vain, how often was a remedy, which had been to jected in the first instance, tried as the last re,ource? He thought the Right Hon. Gentleman had quite jet tified himself in all the arguments he bad used in his& fence, all,except one, namely,that relating to his ing in office. Now be (Dr. L)would say that, if the Right Hon. Gentleman bad left zffice, he would have deserted his duty, when he had advised the Crown to adopt s par titular line of policy, and after that advice had bees accepted by the Crown. If, then, the Right Hon. Gee* tleman bad retired, he would have been guilty of pa' lanimity—aye, of cowardice—of baseness. If be bad retired in order to remain at the head of a pasty, ea by such conduct had rendered doubtful the success of the measure which be had advised, be would be a me* to his King and his country. The Rt. Hon. Geodesic' had been the head of a powerful party—a party cee' , sisting of many of the ancient aristocs icy and the heads of the Church Establishinent—a party so high in nicer and influence that it might be a matter of honourable ambition and glory for any man to be the head of it. When be remembered that the Right Hon. Gentiana had given up that leadership, it was surprising to beer hien accused of remaining in office through a love d place. The bare comparison of tne office of Secrecy! of State with such a leadership was enough to disprove the charge. It was but as dust in the balance again' the temptations of adherence to his party, if in truth principles went with that party. The Right Hon. Geo+ amnia bad given notice of his intention to vacate tbs • s a 111: ot bi 'Ti El at Ise As le k ri or IP* fro wa of I nntl 'Wli fore het ble, Or< 1 a tb 'I .-- peu trat