Star. — London, England, 1826-03-02 00:00:00

Hopes of vitc we entUdi Order tegistantie , considerable . 1 44 , 00 AY,Eirthffirsa4senitilies its here tivey did exist, 4 . !risi a aliomr oieA,: i nqi i;eliairity altogetl ter, but to a great degsree.amatimiliaza j•Thi.ticoo. Gentleman has stated tinit Vittittnbe 'efforts *awe been useless ; that nothing, or 4opiirtiliin tiottring has' been done, and that it now , . .).•it L . 1, • •,y' lillfitfllP ‘41" . 4 7 0ti0f that House to take the matter into • ita cm *,hands. ,The Hon. Gentleman also says, end it is true that I declared that, if contrary to my hopes and • expectatinns, theie should appear - to exist in the Colonial Assemblies a spirit .of determined resistance to the views of Parliament, that if ciStitumacy should be mi rti'est.ll, that then, if that case s litiu Id arise, the Eaecu tire Government would he bound to resbrt to the eglstancent , Parliement. , Undoubtedly. I. du not mean tit deny, that in the case he had supposed, it might be proper tqr , Parliament to interfere, so .far us to strengthen the hands of the Executive, which I think has shewn, that any powers with which it might Se entrusted feraltis purpose would not. teinain dormant inks hands. In suck a case, I have no doubt that • there *bold be found persons in this House, in this GoVernMent, to overcome every obstacle that might be inneposed to. the. accomplishment of their wishes. The only difference upon the question was, whether such a caw of 'contumacy/pas arrived? If I were called upon torenswer the question I would say, that it has not yet arrived. L must certainly at the same time admit that there were grounds of' alai m. I do certainly perceive in dications of a contumacious spirit ; but I would hope to the last, and submit to grievous and frequent disappoint ment rather than take a step pregnant with the most alai ruing consequences to this country and the colonies I am now, Sir, I Mink, at liberty to assume, on the part of Government, that the measures we submitted for' trial in Trinidad went as far as a prudent Legislator weld venture to go; and I will assume, that at far isiTrinided is concerned, the measures recommended by Government have been put into wholesome operation. The principal chenees recommended in the Treasury Minute, lad fru warded us Trinidad, are as follows: Firit, that provition should be made for the education of the slaves ; secondly, that their evidence should be tekelved tinder 'certain circumstaneet in Courts of Jas. liCe ; thirdly, that the use of the whip should be also ] :'-liated so far as related to females ;''tuurthly, that th Sunday Market should be put an e4ll to, and another ' day set apart for that purpose; fifthly, that the slave , l ihoold havelhe bower Of acqulting, possessing, and • 'disposing of property, secured tb him ; sixthly, that he should bare the power, under certain • segulations, of purchating Ws' manuntlision ; seventhlyohat in sales cif slaves, no apirld'on of families should •be allowed; . - eiklithlt,'lllit die driving system should be put an end to; nitithlitit%ti lharringes should - he . allowed to be ' celebrated 'along the slaves ;.. and, tenthly, that t Sting flatikeillibuhl be established fur their service.--. ~ cbdduct' 'or the Cape ( ' Hope Man - the .. that of degrees of AilrelpeCtiO4 wren : Ott 44 ..61( We& Heim . 6111,1 tor the weirse. Ilespecting intirri4ge, am alriid that the premised Isseasulet have beetratimitted by five. The "Tight of inherit:ilia to propeitY 'has been recognised bl eight, who have either ydoßteit,or given security for, the sfieredriadoptiOn of the meisUre. The principle of manumilifon has been admitted by &vie% by . some Of : which the right . was :already possessed in a more pet fect form than that hicli ,We recommended. The • regulation coniern. • ing the separation of slaves by sale, has been adopted Ott y. by four ; Upon' this ' part of the subject there are objections, perhaps, rather of a legal than of a Moral nature,.adEculties have here intervened, which it is PM east ; fel; the Colonial legislatures to remove. As • to the scp.ailtitOo" of slaves hom their families, I am alltareitiat °eV itiOlumendation has been adopted by 914 - Ave., With regard to the abolition of the punish *frit Vellistert‘lo, erglit hate; in some way or the other, 14111edetilaitrovezeots in the system. As to the punish '', istootiof tesualesi.theabolition of which would be, we * - ori.oritsppott_ t thieleosiest and cheapest way of shesving a kiff*A4ii, ear regulations, I am sorry to say, e! . bu t five ruave complied with our desire : and I de ovialere, if there were one reason more than another which. 4s- - troold thelitte• me to adopt the course recommended by Htintibr e tle'llhornber (to which I am not at pre. i t- • trw.lin jot; colter con4derations restrain mej— lirould be •ihis,unwi!lmgness upon the parts of if" the .'oolottintiii. abolish the co , poreal punishment : I de. the' fensale-'y' ' for which there was not for an adherence to which sa4..these eanost.,be the .slithtest pretence, except, I had : I -almost 504 fee the purpose of flying in the face of Witty tegard to the establishment oil saving recommendation has been attended Israel *lrby two. Pott.the Honourable Member conceive istimethiris afirebtrable result from the measures 104 .4.thielf Wthileildblited?: - Far from it. Mit the ques atoned me to discuss, without re ference many practical consequence, leads to a different .••••; lrtsuls . .:. Whether the time be now come, when, on 3 tiectritift. of the resistance made by the Colonies to the 'l7",rigulatiiini of Parliament; on account of the obstacles • .:Ithrown in our way, bordering upon cotrurnactousness, 'we shall be induced to abandon that • course upon or hitlt•Wit' have hitherto acted, and which has ire regilis; however imperfect, and adopt one perfectly new, With the coihrquences of which ' twe ate utterly UnacqUainied. This question I am nctw - Unwillingsto stir, but I,do not hesitate to declare it as my opinion, that the nine may poi•ibly arrive, when - the question for discussion may, b 4 Abe propriety of our .legislating for the • Colonies,. The:.l4te . proceedings of the LegislaLive Assemblie*.of . thote ohich..trom their wealth, their vieight and consgquence,. must be ..,;,lidenuated thst.prineipatoi,ous ,colooill,possessions, have beauxsucks as to auks io iny,;u)inctslutinsents which 1 will not e x press, from the oust/Anus of !thick-IV O) diously abstain; but I confe,s, that o hen I . cooten).; plated the proceedings upon ttials where life is cou.l and of a Bill proposed to the Legislative Assembly of Jamaica upon the points of slave evidence, I cannot reliain fHithl marking' the contrast as most sanguinary and revoking; and if I might be permitted to say it, I would raise my imploring voice to the Le gislative Assembly of Jamaica, and supplicate that bode to wipe out, as quickly as possible, the fool stain. I admit that it may be sometimes the duty of a L-gis lative Assembly to hesitate before it passed a certain law; it may deem another period mote desirable for its enactment, and this Bill msy be:ome law at Jamaica in the course of next Session. That this will b: the fact Idu not however pledge myself. I do not lay before die House that evidence which is to my mind conclusive, but partly from documents which have been submitted to my inspection, partly (torn direct information- and from an analysis of the majority of 'the Hooke of Assembly, which, upon the division, rejected the Bill, am indueed to hope that it will, next Session, pass into a law; I am therefore most desirous of leaving another chance - open to us; lam most desirous of leaving the execution of the proposed alteration to the Colonial Legislature itself,' without disturbing long-established systems, and with t agitating a question con cerning thirultimate piropitiety, of which I have not the feast doubt. lam desirous of still leaving to the Colonies a short space fa. the purpose of trial. lam not' t variance with the Honourable Gentleman so much, or to that degree, as to maintain, that if due advantage be not taken of that time and respite thus aftirded, it will not be the ditty of Parliament not to interfere for the purpose of taking out of the hands of his Majesty's Ministers that power which, I trust, they have not un faithfully discharged ; but it will be the duty of those Ministers to call upon Parliament to arm them with such additional authority as may be deemed requisite upon the occasion. During the period of this delay, to which I have alluded, it is proposed by his Ma jesty's Government to adopt such a course of proceed ing as shall bring the intentions of the Colonial Assem blies to a direct trial. This it will effect by the introduction, through the agency of its dicers abroad, of Bills into the Houses of Legislature. and in which will be ern bodied the substance of the Orders in Council. These the Colonial Governments will be called upon to accept or to reject, modified according to the convenience or necessities of each. It is the intention of Government :that this course shall be adopted during the ensuing Session. The House will now understand, that since 'the first discussion of thit question, there have been three gradations of conduct with regard to the colonies upon the part of his Majesty's Government. In the first place, the vote of the House was transmitted to the Colonial Legislatures, with a recommendation to con form to its instruction, and desire. %Vista this measure had not the desired success, we drew up an enactment, whichtwe were to impose upon those over whom we 'possessed authority, and were to recommend its adop tion to those over whom we had not actual power. This pleasure having also failed, it is our present inten tion to piopo4 certain Acts, so framed, as to have the Orders issAlouneilembasdied, aid to call upon the Co 'lettiet-Legislaftttetto costae at once to a decision upon theist, so modified as to fie most advantageous to each, _but ii Wing upon each to form it: de. cision. An nnwilliogness to accept our regulations does, I am sorry to admit, exist amongst our colonies, caused in a'rett -degree, by a misconception of their ;std how. But when we recollect how - many ~,sc9sto'bre plain to our understandings, how many ,inga. - thvin are clear to our wishes and our feelings, and consider the strict of years which they require to 'have thkin insinuated favourably into the British Par liament, it is not. I think, too much to expect that three 'successions, three repetitions of experiment, should be required for the purpose of insinuating the adoption of certain measures into the Colonial Assemblies, inure .especially when these measures, upon their origin, ap peared to take them by surprise, and were not only supposed to interfere with the importance and feelings lof our Colonists, but were also,and no doubt most mis tikenly, imagined to place individual interests at hazard. The unwillingness upon the part of the colonists is, as' it appears to me, also founded upon some pretended right to compensation, to which they affect to think themselves entitled, in consequence of that deterioration in colonial property, which must follow as a matter d necessity from this measure. I am not aware in what this deterioration can exist, except it be in the with drawing of the services of the slaves by meani of com pulsory manumission. Por this withdrawal front his ownersbip, the master will find a coppensation in the appraisement of the slave. But is fie to obtain corn-' pensation for his ameliorated situation? Most certainly .not. Such compensation does not exist for the master ; or if he seek it, will he loot find it in the increased hap piness and comfort of the slave ?—(Hear, hr er .}— Will he not find it in the gradual approximation of an almost brutal population to the feelings, the rights, and disposi tions of civilized man. Many other misconceptions do, ' am convinced, also exist, which I hope to see done torture away. I am at least anxious that the trio' may be made before Parliament adopt any new steps Which may in tercept, the triumph of our measures, which if they 'succeed, their attainment will, under such circumstances, be the' mole grateful ; and if even they fail, we shall have the consolstion of reflecting that we had not recourse to other means until we had exhausted all expectations of success. The Honourable Gentleman seems to have anticipated this portion of my argument horn his alluding to a speech, which, &rill the last century, I delivered in this House—(laughtnx)--and has endeavoured to fix me with the opinions of that 'speech, and to hold me bound to follow them oh the present occasion. l• own, sir, I have often felt a degree of envy for throe men who are not tramelled by re spon-ibility, (loud cheers and laughter), and who can give full scope to the enthusiasm of their nature, throwing upon others the necessity of reducing their feelings, although equally strong, and moulding them' into the form of political espediency..(Cheers). 'cannot take upon myself to remember all the opinions I deli ; vered at the period referred to. I will not say I am over [modem now, but I was much less so then; and although I do not quite remember the accaiion, I do not mean to shrink from the, responsibility': and yet, perhaps, one ought not Lobe too.strictry.o4(l4 lii Inpillitms delivered at Id distanettperiod. .I.ondersranif that pains have been taken to distribute rilltle extracts from a work of an Hon. and lAatued Gentleman oppo igham)i indeed Ml,lve been favoured with .tracts„ %tit ich thy 111pprittle Geode's:tan • bcoffinillehis m saytitg Stier ‘) Altltbligti lanbet rdtlsfl>~itt II! My:istdotsr,• in those early &starches the duty ;o f t he utsice not, to . rote slates with the ekecution. of measures for improvement, I cannot help thinking it must have en on some discussion of the Slave Trade. Then .nete Was no question of emancipation ; and as the Co lonists then maintained untruly, that the abolition ulthe Slave Trade would be injurious to their interests, I rather incline to think it was an answer to some such argument as that, and that I contended, where there was an uncontrolled power, and an unshackled supply, there would be little economy of labour, or of hu man life. The leader of an army of one hundred thousand men would be much more likely to rush into inconsiderate enterprizes than he who had a little nucleus of 20 000. This, I rather think, was the purport of my argument; but I speak entirely from conjecture. But what I sta ed then is not inconsistent with what is proposed now. Do I trust to the masters the sole exe .cution of measures of improvement for• their slaves, When I tell them, that if they do not accomplish the object, there are measures behind, which will compel them ? Is it oat, in fact, trying everything first, before it becomes necessary to rrsor t to immediate coercion— (Henr)?—Coercion must be a?plied to copfirmed con tumacy—but that degree of contumacy has not yet arisen, to call for its ese:cise—ilieor,hcer).—l do con fess, I have seen some symptoms *displayed, wh ch the Government would much desire to seadone away with. But time may render any extraordinary interference vmsecessary ; and during the interval which shall be left for the trial of the experi. ment, I mean to supply an emission, which I am at a loss how it could have occurred at the passing of these Resolutions • but I mean to propose that these Resolutions be communicate d the House of Lords, for their concurrence. I have ow" stated the Miele amount of what the Government proposes todo. I trust the House will agree with mein thinking that it would be inexpedient to make any attempt at legislating in the present Session; but I do so, neither denying theabstratt power of Parliament, nor the possi. bility of an occasion ar ising for its exercise; but simply not admit ting that a case has arisen to cal fur its exercise at the present moment--(Cheers). Mr. BROUG HA M wished to know, from the Right lion. Gentelman, how many of the Colonial Legislatures from the period oldie 6r't discussion upon the subject, up to the present time, have passed laws repecting slave evidence, manumission, and driving. He did not know that any thing was 4one except at Tobago and Barbadoes. In those islands Acts were passed respecting slave evidence, but of a nature so islands, that they were, as they ought to be. rejected. lie also wished for information upon a fourth most important point, the separation of husband from wife, and of parent from child. Mr. Secretary CA-N NINO having referred to his documents, answered, that the islands of St. Vincent, St. Kitts, St. Lucia, and Grenada, kad passed resolutions as to the competency of slave oil , deuce. There were no resolutions on the subject of manumission; but as to the separation of families and general punishment reso- I Wiens bad been passed by the Legislatures of Tobago, Sl. Kitts, Grenada, and St. Lucia. Mr. BROUGHAM said, be was still uninformed as to whether the whip was abolished as a stimulus to labour ? Mr. F. BUXTON, wished to know if (as the half, of the slave population was to be found in Tobago) any thing bad been actually dole in that Island? The Governor had lately stated', that another Session had been allowed to pus without any thing being done for the ameliorations of the slaves? hlr. Secretary CANNING believed, t►at the being allowed to take property by bequest, was the only thing done for the slaves in that bland. This was not 'deluded in the order of .Council, as the right was granted by the law of the bused. Mr. W. SMITH animadverted on the decision of the House of Assembly of Jamaica, and appeiled to the teeth of the Disks of Manchester in confirmation of his opi nion that nothing was to be expected from that body in accordance with the Views of the House. It had osanifested a spirit whist* might yield to fear, bet wialial.saa not to be subdued by forbear ance. TIN speech of the Hight Hon. Gentleman which had been alluded %owes made to 171i1; sod although the subject then under discussloo was the African Savo Trade, the principles asserted in that speech would be found equally applicable to the question of the manumission et slaves. Mr. S:cretary PEEL said, his anxiety to promote the object of the Petition must be his apology for re commending caution to Hon. Gentlemen. Whatever might be the future conduct of the West Indian Assemblies—whether they adopted the alternative of continued resistance, woof submission —(and he hoped to Gen they would adopt the latter)—the of abstaining from irritating language was obvious. If they were compelled to legislate it was desirable that they should have willing instruments to carry their laws into effect. The Right lion. Gentleman-commented with great force on the state of the law, as it now existed in the West Indies, with regard to the evidence of slaves. It was calculated to impair the security of every interest. as well as to degrade the character of the slave. He said he should abstain from any lengthened observations wpm' the subject, lest the strength of his feelings might inadvertently draw from him takes. sions calculated to provoke discussion and produce irritation in any quarter. They had all one common object in view, to amelio rate the condition of the slave, and he trusted that every Hen. Gentleman would cautiously abstain from expressions militating against the attainment of that practical object. Mr. SCA RLETT entirely concurred in the observatioas of the Right /ten. Gentleman. He thought that the best mode of itts. proving the condition of the slaves was to conciliate their masters. He was convinced that reproaches or menaces would be product ' dye of mischief rather than advantage. Mr. PHILLIPS said, that from his conoections with the West Indies, be wAs enabled to state that the Colonists had no objections in the abnract, ttfithe measures contemplated by the House, and he was sure that they would attend to the recommendations of his Majesty's Government, as far as they could consider them calcu lated to preserve their property. He recollected the opposition made to the abolition of the Slave Trade; and %hen those who had contended for the cessation of that odious traffic had been re garded as enthusiasts, but he had lived to see them now regarded as the benefactors of mankhadr even by those who had opposed their efforts. Mr. WILMOT. HORTON said, that if the subject were tmiecumbered with other considerations, and was one which the House could at once effectually and satitactorily legislate upon, he should have wished that the motion of the Honourable and Learned Gentleman (Mr. Brougham) had been brought forwird without delay. .But any person who like him (Mr. Wilmot- Horton) had been compelled to look more closely into this subject, would be convinced that it was necessary to have many objections cleared away, and, above that it was necessary to make the West India proprie tors understand the exact scope and tendency of the measure they proposed to adopt. If the protests and petitions by the colonies were examined, they would be found to rest on the con victi.m that an attempt was made o weaken their authority over their slavts, and to do, , some injury to their property. As that opinion should be effaced by means of argument, sold of experience of a contrary intention, the conduct of the planters, he had every reason to believe,. would become very different.— He was satisfied that there was no love of slavery on the part of the West India proprietors ; but that everything which they bad done r and which was objected to by this .country, was founded upon the mistaken notion that their property was to be injured. The House was aware that oa the Ist,of January, 1826, the Orders in Council with respect to Demerara were to come into effect— that is, that all the clauses of the Trinidad orders, o ith three exceptions, were to be initiated at Demerara. The utmost apprehensions had been entertained, that from the mottling those orders came into effect a great in `Tangent - int *staid be made on the, property of the masters, owing. to-the stillkrence in the treatment of 4 slaves. He had ttis day received a letter trout a Lien- . , • r.... - , • k • ‘ -•• s K• . , • _ • • N • ar- -, ic o ~.. 4 - ,- x1 7 ..- 1 I 1 ) . I r . ) 4UI ) i v,i, ,e,L. i (. ) of9PitiVt"-tlifi ii . --tintpit. tittit.coarse. , Hai beqn *it. A'ittie*leif Resolutions t Amite , i row - vf,,ANtrioCo4' instripe with all titling, and :tinplate to coriesppndent act' - COletiid'Aietakdtgate)ltisttiis, I lament to say, w bliAit:dii4oll Zilit'llielOPniiing year we em . 40 VAlMusiCflt sink Ati*Onis_ in %.- . ... 1 "f. Cosettiloins ' wpm Attain, t.o . tonics w ri c tegi•laittlit VaiiseJlj arid wxiietted. to hate a, tonsil ' 4 111 ft cbilduct' of the Cape of Good Hope and the IV. ;Mitts tir'a erfcriked by the same' isrfaciple with the aid ffieill colonies acted in varied degret "40sedietite id the ordetVin touncil. 4 l am ready ton chliei.colorilatpossevObs vrbi,ch;'with &Serest Wl e eicielitive . ettiothenti tif tbeiriviva stied Geelii.ll . , *sited and . csstated the veggie? i 'oCOOiermaint, retigiotw'htstruci "lin4l (he or l s6itiliyi'iatrd 'fir/Edits: g4tatitnit Were received it, aittair mote or lessin fied — by eight out oftwelve." The tegulations respec ,the evidence' of I . avei t *ai adlsted by seveti'dt t welve, d:fferetteirilifieatlern4 nicfor Welk -=----;*tellikte. 'depending:l4on slave :file sate; necessarily site (Mr. Brougha I.had dnier existing citormsttannils tubsettn.-•4 ndot;eat e 'pet= „one 9i F a e extra ' that d iap . g,justly,* W i pe Ospitdepetvi sve that . dmitiption .. iriill A rtistst; not I; of tgprnintilp 41,411fi1, /or 4 . l.Arsonr i e of proving t, teadiintif'this dot , n the distinct isf inslinted cruise. en .1 conceder OPreOse period of t havi 'small 'a istSrtioo' evidetice SteiLii:ary even i iipon laid would be ;odied trials 'fin' 'RR; the' . testillis -mott .painfel to .any the masters of sla er of feelings : when, at the same moment s L cameos- their improvemer • local plate the results of those trials ) and die resection been on some dig ._ .1.- T ec:anahlr Was ‘no nue! Berlina, AC AdOr.de as aht bn•pfill -17°'!"eert to the *Option Of.those Orals, in that altbotigh the adet had total Iti for tare :Abe, no incoaveniefice Itafkbeiti * Ojetlibtra.' He hid 'to plained to his slaves i at dB otteitees erould be ehreFed in the Black Kook, which would be sent tei the That the new stocks would not He tred, excepting 'in 'co t es of absolute necessity, ariting (tom their own , mis conduct ; did that the mime)! ilestitied 'fir the erection of a new gaol would be spent in the' lepsiii 'of their houses; and he promised them that tfirie shinil4ll*-no increa eof the amount of the taA work. rrhe date of this letter, the Hon-Gentleman stated, hilift*Wiir Itft que s tion, was the 6th ot 'of J.4nu ary, 1139.62111-: effeet of the system of task-work which had b.:eo adopted at Tvl 'lliad was this—that an avet age calculation was matlibf the amount of labour which should be reqnited 'fiftisti each slave, and if that was perfmmed before the time a11..t ed for it, the slave had the remaiadOi for relax ttion, or to employ it for his.owrs benefit. • As the conviction spread that them was sto intention to attack or i jure the interests of the masters, the opposi tion would cease. In Jamaica, vatitta 'the. opposition had been the strongest, it had been produced solely by the doubt of that. To remove this doubt, much had been'done ; but much also remained still to be done.— lie spoke from the information which the situation he had the honour to fill had given him, 'and he was fully convinced that in order to .enspre the success of the measures which were to be proposed, it was of paraloonnt necessity for the House to carry the masters with diem. It must, however, in justice to the Galenists, not be supposed that nothing had been done but to exercise oppression. On the contrary, *hough the details had not perhaps leached the Hon.,aud Lesirned Gentle man, steps had been taken towards the improvement of the conditi. nof the slaves. From St. Vincent's he had just received a Bill which provided that the Suss day markets should be limited to an early hour, that the evide ce of slaves under certain regu'ations should be admitted, that their marriages should be legalised, and their right to acquire property shou4l be recog. nixed. Then, as to their punishments, they were regu lated by the authority of justices of the peace. At Dominica also a Bill has passed the Committ e, bat had nor yet been approved by the Assembly, although it w..s believed it would be. By this Bill the &today labour was abolished, and stave-evidence was admitted in cases not of a capital nature, nor against the owners of slaves. He diJ not say this was enough to satisfy the House; but it showed that there was a disposition _ . on the part of the colonists to improve the condition - of their slaves. He did not presume to antkipate what night be the eontents of the Bill of the Hoe. and Learned Gent. but he trusted that if the House pursued the course of forbearance and moderation which had been pointed out, they would find by the next Session that much hadbeen done by the colonists in accomplhhatent of that object which was on all considerations so desirable. _ _ Me. K. DOUGLAS espresso, hii perfect concurrence in the mane proposed by his Majesty's Oweernment—a Course which. .without injuring the interests of any class of the 'colonists, would eventually tend to promote the prosperity of all. Mr. SYXES was willing to give his assent to delay, provided she light Hon. Secretary opposite would undertake to pledge the 'illinewistment to interfere next Session, if the Colonial Legislatures *Cant, before that period. given their assent to the meassres. whidt the feelings of the people of this country, as well as the cep *don of its Legislature, considered absolutely necessary. Sir FR ANCISELAKE thought, that as the countlyisatt called en littidlT for the abolition of Negro Slavery, it was the duty of his Majesty s Ministers to Inquire Inuit, and lose nu time in setting she question at rest. Mr. THOMAS WILSON said that whatever might be his in dividual *pledges span the question before the House, he could art 11* *hiking it extremely unfair towards the West India Planters to deprive them oT their vested rights without an ad r ilivate compensation. Mr. HUME contended that there was no analogy between the state of slave* in the East and West Indies. In all the places where he was, in India, the slave, were at liberty to leave one master for ano:her, mad there was no law which compelled them to re: urn. No man was more anxious than he was to see slavery abolished; but he would not wish to are it done in a precipitate and rash manner, so as to endanger the peace and the property of those who ware connected with it. He thought the Hon. Colonial Secretary was right in cos sidering that they ought to carry the masters with them in erecting their object ; and he protested against 'any definite time being pointed out by the Government at which Slavery was to cease. An Honorable Mem ber had not hesitated to assert that free black labour would be equally advantageous to the master. But he called upon Government. to lay before: the House the result of the experiments which had been made upon that - point in Trinidad and Sierra Leone, and he thought the reverse of that fact would be proved. The Han. Member then deprecated the practice of distributing prints with shocking representations of the stiffer ngs of slaves; he had one in his pocket which had been sent to him, represenaing the case of a woman who was fl , igged as far back as the year 1782. He thought such a me thod of proceeding was only calculated to inflame art passions, and that the humane feelings of the people of England did not require such appeals. With regard to aompensa don, he did not wish - those whom he considered toile the unfortu nate holders of this species of property to suffer by ail public act, but be agreed with the Right Hon. Secretary for Foreign Affairs, that they should br improving the value &the Slaves by raising them in the scale of humanity, and that it would net be a case where compensation was required. •., 1 . -, .:, . Sr H. 'EAST said, that he was. a .considemble proprietor of tr slaves ;in his yop th he had given his support, to . urea of the abolitionists, and he never had Tot .t, , repel* 1 ° Aims .1 the subject. He also objected to too great it preciplta tit ha eman cipating the slaves. Mr. BROUGHAM said, that theitibertut coMplained of the charges brought ngaftiSti dib •Satioe Proprietore by the advocates of gasancipatiSis, etre*, not to es. dulge in charges against their own etsuorrymen who espoused the cause of the negroes. However different might be the opinions entertained upon_ ?Are points of the subject, there was no daference whatever, 44thet specific, or in the degree of feeling tateat s iiiied:by all parties, against the enormous masasof practiCad abuse , in the slave system. By far the strongestypeatt thai -could be made to the humane feitiugibf the 'etiOutry might be found in the speeches of , the Colonia! , Legir - . latures. They 'afforded the most appillifli de tails 0 that most infernal scourge to humanity, the S aarepade He was not for immediate emanciAtion, though. Wan: measures were to be promptly pursued, they conk not be reproached as rash or headstrong, for sufficient warning had been given to ail the parties uoncerned. The object at present, however, was not to compel pet. sons to emancipate their slaves; but only to afford Jaci• lities to slaves who hod the desire, antrthe means to emancipate themselves. The scheme pro p osed was, to allow the slave to purchase his own freedom, an ap praiser upon the part of the owner and another appointed by Public Authorities to kale 'the - price. 'He might once have thought that the mothee•couturrought to interfere solely with the abolition, andlsio• leave all other points of the subject to the local Legislatures ; but h.; now thought that it was high time for the mother coun try to interlete in every respect necessary, Acing that Lie Ela i