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.1 4 ' e ; AdiRLI4MANTARr .PROCEEDINGS. _ HOUSE OF LORDS, JUNE 29. in the Committee of Privileges on the claim of Sir On antlll Pcitiotas, to the Titles and Dignities of Marquis of Queens . - Ii ivy, &c. Sir SAPIVEL Roatitt.v and Mr. Alum attended on lithait of the Claimant, and the Attorney General (Sir T PLo- N 4 t. It) no the part of the Crown. The evidence on the part' of the Claimant was gone through, and the further consideration . • 0r... postponed till . Ihurs.l4y. •Flie Postage Duties Bill, the Printed Goods Bounty Bill, the Irish "Treasury Bills 8.11, Exchequer Bills Bill, the Irish Militia Pay and Cloa'hing Bill, were brought up front the Commons and read a first time. Nlr. Pa'mer's Per-tentage Bill was also brought up by Sir Tnoatas Toe-ron and other Members. The Bahama Trade Bill, the Unlawful Oaths 13T, and the Riot Bill, were read a second time and committed for to-morrow. The Loan Bill, the Scots Excise Duty Bill, the Irish Customs Bill, and the land Tax Redemption - Amendment Bill, pissed through Committees and were reporred. Lord Redtsdale's Bill for the better Administration of Justice, was read a second time. . , The Parish Registers Bill passed thrMigh a Committee, with . Amendments, sir:kiog out the Clauses relative to Dissenters, and was (mitred to be printed as agnendt.d. • ••• • • The Relict% of Lord Reilesdsle's Permanent insolvent Debtor's . Bill was taken inio consideration, and some further Amendments - Living been made by his Lordship, including a proviso for se questrating the Pay of Officers in certain cases, and another pro viso respecting persons, who by not surrendering in discharge of their bail had fixed the bail with the debt. The Bill was ordered to be printed as amended. Mr. KING6TON from the East India House presented several ' accounts ordered by the Lords, which were ordered to lie on era Table. The Marquis of LANSDOWNE gave notice of a motion fur to.nrorrew, far an Address to :he Prince Regent, praying for a copy of the Report of the Commissioners appointed to inquire respecting the Constitution of Jersey. On the motion of EarI*GROSVENOR, the Sinecure Bill was read a first time, and ordered to be printed, and his Lordship gave re ice of his intention to move the second reading on Fri aiay, if the prints were then on the table, it being understood between his lordship and Earl Stanhope, that the Bill of the latter relative to Dissenters, which stands fur Friday, should have the precedence. • The Committee...so the Bank Token Bill was, on the motion of the LORD CRANcetcult, postponed till Thursday. EX-OFFICIO INPORNIATIONS. Lord 'HOLLAND adverted to tile notice he had littmerly given of his intention to present a Bill, relative to Ex-Officio In. formations, and stated, that it was his intention to present the Bill In the course of the present week. ritOVINCIAL 1514TURBANCES. Lord Viscount SIDMOUTH laid en the Table a sealed bag of rapers, containing the iniormation alluded to in the Prince Regent's Message. ' The Order cf the hay having been read, the Mes sage of his Royal Highness the Prince Regent, was read at the Table. Lord Viscount SIDMOUTH in rising to move an Address to his Royal Highness, trusted there would be an unanimous concurrence on the part of their Lordships in expressing their gratitude for the communication, and in declaring their determination to take into consideration the documents presented to them, and to adopt such measures as the informa tion communicated' might appear to require for the safety and security of his Majesty's loyal and peace able subjects, and the restoration of tranquillity. He should afterwards . propose to refer the Papers to a Committee of Secrecy, and it was not for him at the • present moment to anticipilte whit measures might by that Committee be dremed necessary. It was with great pain that his Majesty's servants had found themselves compelled to resort to this step, but the necessity that existed, rendered it a duty imperative upan them, to advise his Royal Highness the' Prince Regent to make the present communication to Par liament. It could not of catirse be expected that he should now enter into any detail of those circum stances which had rendered necessary this communi- ' cation. It was, however, matter of notoriety that acts of the sreatest violence and outrage had been committed m some districts of the country ; and although the conduct of the rioters might be, in some degree, traced to the high price of provisions and the reduction of work, still th e re was no doubt that these outrages were fomented by persons who had eiews and objects in thus fomenting disturbances, which it was the duty of Government to counteract. The repeal of the Orders in Council might tenr,),•by increasing employment, to withdraw many from this system or riot and outrage; but Government would • have incurred a heavy responsibility, if, with the knowledge of the documents no* communicated to t. 1 .-e House, and aware that the hopes of increased employment might be disappointed, or that it might, • please PROVIDENCE to inflict the calamity of another deficient harvest, if they had not advised his Royal Highness the Prince Regent to make this communi cation to Parliament. • Every measure had been adoptedien the part r f Governmene i —the Military had been called in to assist the Ciyil Power, and had conducted thimselves with the utmost.zeal and mo deration ; special commissions had been issued • for the trial of several persons for acts of riot and out rage, some of whom had paid the forfeit of their lives ; others had since been taken into custody, and been ordered for trial.. But under the circumstances of the present state of tpe disturlied districts, his Me jes' y's Servants had considered this a Communication • "absolutely*neoessary t in order that measnres might be adopted for the security of`the lives, and the safety of the property of his Majesty's peaceable and loyal subjects. It would of course rest with the Committee to %%horn the documents were to be refexted, to eon slder what measures were necessary ;llie did not, however, mean to say that his Majesty's Government had not formed an opinion as to what measures Would he requisite. His Loreship concluded by moving an Address to the Prince Regent, returning thanEs trs his Royal Highness for the communicatitn, stating that the House wouki take into their serious • consider tion the documents referred to, and express ing their determination m concur in such measures es from tile information communicated might appclar to be necessary, with a view to the security .of the lives and property of his Majesty's peaceable and •loyal subjects. . • f.arl STANHOPE.had no objection to the words of the Address (though he wished for some explana tion As to the measures intended), provided there was a stipulation that the measures to be adapted Vinuld not be in violation of the Constitution. He therefore moved, as an amendment toile Address, ts n .t in violation of the Constitution." • :The E A of LIVERPOOL said itivould be highly indecolons to suggest any measure at the pre seat moment, when the documents laid upon the table were to be lefekred to a secret Committee, who were ot course to form their opinion as to what measures viculd be necessary. The state of the districts in • which the acts of violence and outrage alluded to br I •*, DISTURVANCIM tN Tux nittntrost. • hi t s Noble Ftiend had been committed, rendered this During our absence from the Gallery, Lord CAS communication necessary, and it would be for the TIAREAGH brought up a large sealed packet of Secret Committee to consider, after being informed paws by order of the :Prince Regent, being the in of the nature of the documents now laid on the tablp, formation to which his Royal Highness had in his what measures were necessary. With respect to what Message alluded, and which he stated should be laid the Noble Earl had said of a violation of the Consti- before Parliament. tution, 'he only thought it necessary to say, that to Lord CASTLEREAGH then roll! and said, that occasional measures which were an infringement if the course of proceedings which he should recoma the usual practice of the laws we owed the best part mend, would render it unnecessary for hint now to of our liberties and security, and that these Measures trouble the House at arly length upon this important were not the exercise of any power in the Govern- subject. He should first propose' that the House ment, but of the power vested in Parliament for the should express its thanks to the Prince Regent for the preservation of the Constitution, to resort to such oc- Message his Royal Highness had sent, and should casional measures whenever they should see a neces- give its assurances that no time should be lost in sity for so doing. taking the subject into consideration, by instituting Lord HOLLAND concurred with the Noble Vis. such proceedings as might be deemed expedient. His count who proposed the Address in tllf opinion that Lordship's next proposition would be, that the Papers it would he improper in the present stage of the pro- he had just laid upon the table should be referred'to ceed'ngs to anticipate what measures it might be a Committee of Secrecy, not tor the purpose of re. proper to adopt. He also agreed with the Noble commending any measures to the House, but merely Earl who spoke last, that it would he much more of examining the private information communicated, decorous to defer the discussion till the Committee of laying the substance of it before Parliament, in had made its report. But, at the same time, he saw such a form as would give the House a distinct and no objection to the words proposed to be introduced fair view of the actual state of the disturbances which in the Address by his Nohle Friend ;on the contrary, had so long subsisted in the interior. By the Mes. he thought that something like this addition was re- sage of the Prince Regent, however, it was by no quisite. They talked of not trusting to speculation, means intended that Governn.cnt should be dis bat recommended the adoption of such measures as charged from the burden of submitting to the country would be calculated to meet the wort that could their opinion upon the subject, and of bringing for. happen. All this was very properly urged . ; hut, at ward such measures as to them appeared likely to the same time, he was an old enough Member -of correct tiie evil. His Lordship would not now Parliament to know, that scaled green hags and se- . enter into these topics ; since, after the C o mmittee cret committees threatened the generating of such s;ould have reported, a n.uch more fit opportunity monsters as the supension of the Habeas Corpus Act, would be afforded ; and as nothing could be more and similar abominations. The suspension of the. injutieus than that the matter should be prematurely Habeas Corpus Act he should always oppose :—and discussed, so . nothing could be more advantageous under all the circumstances of the present case, he than that it should be fully and fairly investigated, thought it was candid and right to express at the that the opinions of all might be ascertained, and outset, an anxiety to preserve the principles of the it possible accommodated, At present any disclo- Constitution inviolate. sure even of the general outline of the plan proposed Earl STANHOPE.—" My Lords, as I proposed by Ministers to be pursued, would only serve toex this Amendment, I shall make a few observations in t cite feelings far better suppressed, and to lead to dis reply. I perfectly coincide w ith wh a t has tallen elusions far better postponed.- His Lordship's re from my Noble and most Constitutional Friend who luctance did not arise from any unwillingness, or has just sat down.—(Aldligh.)—My Lords, I shall tear in exposing what course Ministers would sug ever consider myself bound to oppose the suspension gest, but it originated in an opinion that neither rho of the Habeas Corpus. Besides, 1 would most parts - House or the country being in possession tithe Neat, cularly guard against delegating such powers to such I were not prepared for any measurt founded upon a set of Ministers as those over the way. Why, my those facts. •On a firmer day an Honourable Gen. Lords, there's the Noble Earl ;—can there be any tleman (Mr. Brougham) had adverted to delay, of character more versatile than his ? Some time ago wi.ich he accused Government of being guilty in not the Noble Earl declared he would always delend the calling ior the aid of Parliament at an earlier period policy of the Orders in Cuuucil ; but a very few of the cession. His Lordship felt confident that lee %leeks elapsed when he changes his opinion, and should be able to persuade the House that it was thinks it will be the wisest measure to do them away. be attributed to a justifiable reluctauce to solicit whet laugh.)— He is, my Lords, as wavering—aye, aid, while there remained a hope that the established' as wavering as a weather-cock. If your Lordships laws of th , Constitution would be found adequate to recollect my Bill last year concerning Gold :—that the exigency. With regard to what had fallim from Noble Earl came down to the House and ell me he the s.-me ind.vieual-as to the call tithe House, his should oppcse it, and kick it out.—Well, five o'clock Lordship was pre' aced in a way that, he trustee. came, it was still, kick it out o ' c l oc k cam e .--. would ~rove satistactoly to the House to shew, that kick it out !—Seven o'clock came—kick it out still ! previous' to the dischinge of the cad, Ministeni were, But five minutes past seven the wind changed, and not in possession of such ihtelligence as would an the Noble Earl and' his party came round to my way thorize them in restating to the Legislature : he was of thinking, and they most manfully voted for the I also ready, at the ;in pi r time, to detail to the House measure.—(if laugh.)—Most noble consistency ! those particular, circumstances which had snbse- O ! most charming Prime Minister !( A laugh.) ; quently occurre d, to induce them to take the step Indeed, my Lords, were I to wish h. r that Isehle ; which they had now adopted. Of this his Lordship Earl's support, I should deaire to find him opposing 1 was certain, that in Government there was no dis me in the outset ;• for, if he supported me at Mel position to shun the discussion of the subject before, beginning, I should be sure of his opposition at the er to he deerived of the assistance of a full attendance, end."—•(A laugh.) but the Hon. Gentleman liimselt wduld recollect that The Amendment of Earl Srautrope was negatived, on Friday, the day after the Call was discharged; he and the Address agreed to, and ordered to be pie- ( Lord Castleteait:h) stated to the H. use that he sented to the Pansce REGENT by the Lords with should be authorized to nuke a communication to it white staves. on this subject. His Lordship concluded by pri Fes- On the motion of Lord Viscount Sinstourn, the ing an Address, thanking the Prince Regent for hit sealed bag of papers laid on the table was ordered to m-st gracious Message, and assuring his Royal High. be referred to a Committee of Secrecy, to consist of i nest that the necessary proceedings would be forth eleven Lords,• to be chosen by ballot, the ballot to with instituted to secure the lives and property of die 'take place to-morrow, at tour o'clock, and the Lords loyal inhabitants of the disturbed districts. to be summoned.—Adjourned. Mr. WHITBREAD said that he did not rise to sitpose the motion. He professed his ardent wish that the Noble Lend would, as he asserted, be able HOUSE pF COMMONS. The folnwing Bills were read a third time and passed the Carnatic Commissioners Bill, the Irish County Police bib, and the Exchequer Bills in Aids Bill 'the following Bdls wire read a second time : the East India Debt Transfer bill, the Irish Stamps Bill, aml the !rish Treasury Bilis Pill. It was ordered that they should be committed to morrow. _ _ . • . . satisfactorily to show why he suffered the Call to he discharged btfore he made any communication to the House: .es affair; now stood such conduct appeared to require a very ample apology to the pea table in habitants of the coun*y. He sincerely hoped that after the Secret Committee should have been a '1 ke Reports of the Ilublin Light - House Bill, and the TA p- 'Turkey . . to report upon the papers sealed and deliver. Trade Bill, were brought up, and the kills ordered to be read a I)ointco third time to-morrow. ed at the Bar this day, it would be found that no Sir S. ROMILLY gave notice that or, Monday !N et he should extraordinary measures were neces , ar y, and as the move for more detailed returns of the convicts in Ireland. Noble• Lord had deprecated discussion, so he (Mr. The Newfoundland Spirits Bill went through a Committee.— Whitbread) deprecated any ill-advised attempt to Report to-morrow. Mr. OREEVEY gave notice that on Thursday he would move do good from which so mu Jr injury might ensue.— the for an Accouot of all SumsisQued front the Treasui y for Improve- (I/ear, hear. )-- Exam des from cur own and from menu in Mary-la-bonne Park. history of other count es we're not wanting to spew Mr. LONG, after a few prefatory remarks, obtained leave to with s hat extreme caution we should proceed, and, bring in a Bill to amend the 39 li and 40 th Gco. 3. relative to Utie.ined Army Prize-money. lits object was to fac,litate its pro fiting by dear-bought experience, he trusted that application to the purposes ot Clielsi a Hospital. . the subject would be discussed without passion, and hit. WHIZ BREAD enquired whether the Correepcnileiscc decided without precipitation. After the whole mat preceding the grant of the Warrant for the election of Jurau in ter should have been investigated, he could not avoid Jersey, wuuld be laid beiore the House? Mr. GOULBOR N replied in the negative, it being of great indulging a sanguine hope that it would be found length, and in some parts of a private nature. , thdt the l aw of the country, as it now stands, pro- A new Wilt was ordered fur Grampidind, in the room of the : periy executed, and that the power of the Crown, as Honourable G. A. r. Cochrane, who Las accepted the Chikern Hundred& it now stands, properly eitereised, were quite • ado -quate to the restoration of tranuillit Mr. GOULBURN gave notice that on Wednesday he would qy. "novel for leave to bring in a Bill to correct an error in the Local ' Mr. WILBERFORCE entirely participated in the Militia Act. ' hope, that nothing would be ft und in the documents laid upon the Table to call for any extraordinary men. The Soldiers' Wives Bill went through a Committee. To be repor.t . ed on Wednesday. The Militia Pay Bill was read a third time and passed. I Pules. He would not allow himself even to express 'llse West India Intercourse Bill was read a second time, and an opinion, lest it might give rise to feelings that ordered to be committed fur to-morrow. ' . ought to be banished from all minds. that might pro- On the motion of Mr. FUI.LER, there was ordered to be laid duce dissent instead of union,for the accomplishment before the House an Account of the Unclaimed South-Sea Die idend-, &c. vOf an object of the greatest magnitude, not being at ' The Committee on the Local Tokens Bill was postponed tilt an acquainted with the nature of the papers supplied, Wed ne sday.. . and not having been present on SittUrJay when the Mr. HORNER asked if it was the intention of Gentlemen Message WAS brought down, he wa g , pe r luips, of ail at airto his at on carrying It through, observing that it had been. so men the least competent to offer an thing to the long delayed from day to day ? y Mr. WHARTON answered in the affirmative. House, but he. could not avoid rising to express a On the question that the Assessed Yaws Bill be read a ed t ime wish, chat the utmost calmness and moderation might Mr. WES I ERN repeated the objections he had made to the ins- be obselved in the deliberation. Nearly connected al he was with a district of the country most disturbed, post upon horses in husbandry on a former day. The question having been put, the pill was read a second time; after which, • e . . several new clauses Were itrOpOneti by Mr. VANSITTAIIT . he reit it necessary ' to conjure the House, that the M r . WESTERN then proposed an Amendment, by leaving case of these unfortunate and misg uided people might out all the words by which the 'fax was laid upon Horses iu be fully and candidly weighed, tat the resul. might Husbandry. . be the restoration of order, unanimity, prosperity, Mr. BROUGHAM suvported the Amendment, and Mr. and happiness. T VANSITART opposed it. - . Mr. GIL.ES inquired whether the duty was likely to amount The question was th en p ut , an d t h e reso l ut i on was to such a sum as to render it worth while to do sucliessential in- agreed to Rm. ton. jury to the agricultural iaterests of the county? ' • Lord CASTLEREAGH then moved, that the bir C. BURRELL proposed, instead of it, a tax upon Hot- Papers he had this day presented, should be referred houses and Green-houses. to a Committee, that it be a Committee of Sece:cy, After a new words from the CHANCELLOR of the EXCHE QUER a division took place s and the amendment was negatived, and that the number of Members be 24, which were 'severally ordered. • Ris i.erdship likewi se that the members be chosen by ballot. Mr. W H ITBRE D protested against ttiit of proceeding, since it would give the Nom e the appointment cf every Member of the Cog t • He wished that the Members of it should bo p. named and chosen, th .t the House, and on: th e Me Lord, might have the formation ,J th e mittee.—( Hear.) Lord CASTLEREAGH persisted in his since he was certain that on no side of the Hoy e such a quest:on would party feelings bt was convinced that is would be tre ate d b y Pa 444 in a manner, which, while it did it hunbut t give satisfaction to the people. Sir FRANCIS BURDETT, looking at di et cedents to which Mr. Whitbread had ieflited,e; not help feeling great jealousy as to the cond uct Government ; he hoped that tht bounds of tbec s stitution would not anew be transgressed h 7 d 4 The mode in'which the Committee WAS Nast,' the satisfaction of the people were looked to, 14 the utmost importance—(Hear, hear.) It ob ? ' be of such a description that the country would ! reliance upon its wisdom and impartiaiig, aW to be merely composed of the creotures of m" nomination. fThe question that the Committee be chosen!" lot was then put and carried, though there wens*" number of dissentient voices. On the question that Members prepare li gs, appear to-morrow to put thtm into classes spy for their reception, • Mr. WHITBREAD declared that Ife they'd, attend for that purpose, as experience had ski e d it would be useless, since any list he might pep would be smothered in the vast heap of nano s plied by the Noble ', f ord and his political fries& It was ordered that the Papers communicated' the Prince Regent should remain sealed until ttee pointment of the Committee. ECCLESIASTICAL COURTS. Sir W. SCOTT rose tor the purpose of mesa (Jr leave to bring in a Bill to regulate Etclesiasa Courts. lie commenced by a learned esania e s Of the original institution of tare Ecclesiastic.lce d hut although detached sentences were caught,' general tlittad of the intriative was SilrgelMh in the gallery. He quott d the of liven Lf Lad llas to shew that some alteratiOr.s Ire le .: 9 101 tin (La necessary, and refereed to the atumpismadebyLa the First, Anne, .ind in wi how sucaso tffect this object. He then went on to sun sic his Bill be had accomplished, aid what le hank unperformed.. In the first place lie had ?tea that the process of exci sumutuntion :hale fret continued, .nu in its plate he had sunsitted d pmcesu de matortacicatiesido. He had restsll4l excemniunicauua gent ally, excepting in casts great enormity. He hod not thin& u'fit to date it altogether, since as•-very other establishment? sensed. the pot' el, he did not think that the Cleat of England sht thd be placed in 'an inienorsitune I'he next piosis; n u a., that the civil ci memo attendant upon exec mmunicntion !Wild be ntix*s excepting in cases of ;them and some othou-lt object he had next cohttmplated,was the alo.it a number 01 ininor Ecetestastical Count, .0 that improvement in justspludtixe muted by extension of jusisdicrion. A twelve; clauses had been inserter' for the putpcsevfiene ng the proceedings of the interior tribunals we Diocesan Courts. The qualification of id bad tl en occupied his attentii n, and the to of the Bill was occupied in making provitas to Church Rates and Tythes. He had miner this measure two matters that some might have wished inserted : it was silentee tett of defamation, because, if the jurisdiction d Ecclesiastical Courts were taken away Mount of :Linda on the Lliwch, they would nit bengd sable in our Cotirts of law. AU provisioesitgA ing . Ireland were also omitted, Sir W. Sao pi (elm:lg Itimse:f not sufficiently acquainted iiiil constitution of the Cons.storial Courts there. Usi many circumstances of disadvant..ge, he bad a charged the task imposed trOon him by 'teflon . . with great di ffi dence, well aware of the magliD d and import ante of the subject : if the House id adopt his Bill, he should feel much pleasure ; it disapprov, d of it, he would take leave of it wide' regret. He mated for leave to bring in a Bill WI better regulation of Ecclesiastical Courts jolt's/a of the United Kingdom called Eilland, and fit) more easy collection of church rates and tythes" Lord FOLKESTONE expressed his utilgli at seeing the promise of the Right Honouralik I Learned Gentleman fulfilled : the measure closed met his entire approbation ; he lamented' that it had been introduced at so late a period' Session, and that it was brought. f rward ill ailsi.ices, when the Right Honourable and Le Gentleman &dared that if it were throw should take leave of it without regret. Sir W. SCOTT explained, and adverted s the difficulties w.ils which he had had to coal st parating the Ecclesiastical Law, when it ware jerwoven and united with the very substangtir Constitution. He denied that he was incliPlot to the fate if the Bill. • Sir SAMUEL ItOMILLY, after sumiob ill tioiis on the injurious tendency of the juristrea. question, said he understood it was not t. e ilustr aid of the Right Honourable Gentleman to M . ' provisions ef his Bill t , t Ireland. He suPP" III ,./1 this arose from the, difference in the Contligir s the Spiritual Courts in that part of the Fter he c , uld not help wishing that a measure wised to be so generally advautleeo, ceinn:unicatect to that country. Mr. TIGHE strongly recommended the extended to Ireland, where, if the Sp' weredifferent; the diffen nee was for tire Sir W. SCOTT said a fiw words in e when it was ordered, that he and the At ral'should prepare and bring in the Bill. SIR. PALMIER'S BILL. Mr. PALMER. moved the third tettertig Per Ctpla t ge Bill. Sir ANCIS BURDETT rose to of words respecting some misconception whkh relative to the opinions which - had bees the leality of Mr. Ptilmer's claim, by Mansf i eld, Lord Erskine; Sir Vicary Gass ( Adam. It had been said that the GOA. eminent lawyers had been famed as es ...