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~.1 ~.: . ..~ PARLIAMENTARY PROCEEDINGS. HOUSE OF LORDS, JUNE 48. On the Scots Appeal, Stuart v. the Marquis of Bute, the effect or their Lordships' decision was partly to affirm and partly to re verse the intivnent of the Court below. Counsel were heard in continuation respecting the Irish Cause, 11ierekle v. Dick. To proceed again on Wednesday. VOTE OF CREDIT. After some of the Bills were gone through, The Earl of LIVERPOOL presented a Message from the Prince Regent, touching the Vote of Credit usual towards the close of a Session, and similar to that delivered to the House of Commons, expressive of his Royal Highness's reliance on the ex- I••c•rienced zeal and affection of their Lordships, trusting they would concur in such measures as may be necessary to disap point the enterprists and frustrate the designs of the enemy, and to enable his Royal Highness to make such farther exertions hi support of the cause in which he is engaged as circumstances ;nay require. The Message beitig read, was, on his Lordship's motion, or &red to he taken into consideration to.rnorrow, and the Lords summoned on the occasion. The Earl of LAUDERDALE enquired, what was the amount a the sum to be proposed as the Vote of Credit ? The Earl of LIVERPOOL answered, Five Millions. MISCELLANEOUS. Lord AMHERST, M the absenee of a Noble Friend (Lord Borringdon) moved, that their Lordships stand -summoned for Wednesday, being the day appointed for the second reading of the Vaccination Bill.--Ordered. In a Committee of the whole House, the Scotch Bridges' Bill received some amendment, on the suggestion of Viscount. Mu.. *ILL', Lord RtOESDALI, and the Earl of LAUDEILDALZ, which were ordtred to be reported t0.,1201T0W. • On the motion of the Loan Ca 4 stictxxon the consideration of the Airly Peerage was orderest'to be resu med to-morrow, at three'ectock. His Lordship took occasion to notice the pro priety a Noble Lords attending in time to form a Committee of . Certain additional documents respecting the Claims of Mr. Palmer; and Individuals to attend for examination before their I.ordships' Committee were ordered on the motions of Lord ERSKINE and the Ear l of LAVDIRDALS. ________ In a Committee on the Bill for the Relief of certain Debtors confined in the King's Bench and Marshalsea Prisons, a conver sation of tome length took place, in which Lords REDESDAL the Loan C!IANCISI.LOR the Earls of LAUDERDALE and STAN.. SOPE participated. Th e principle topic of animadversion was the alleged inequality of Coynty Rates applicable to the mainte nance of Prisoners' from the respective Counties. These the I.varned Chief Juvice explained, proceeded from the stomper of Prisoners upon the average from each County, and the propor tion was made in reference to that. Alter some farther discussion, Earl STANHOPE said, he was glad to see their Lordships unanimous upon the subject, which was that of preventing the poor people in question from being starved. He then suggested the propriety of rejecting the obnoxious clause, which, in the result, was agreed to by the Committee, and the Report was rdered to be received to-morrow. Their lordships resolved into a Committee on the Annuities' Registration Bill, on which a discussion of considerable length ..00k place. I.ords R•D!SDALC and Etttnamtootan, and the CtIANCEL. Lea, were the spraktrs. They seemed, more or less, to disap prove of the Bill in its present shape; and the Annuity Act of the 17th of his Majesty, as to hs provisions and object, was co piously referred to. hey agn-ed that some further legigative Tegulation on the subject, n hich was of great individual impor tance, were highly necessary; and their Lordships ultimately re solved to postpone the Lill for further consideration, which, on the House resuming, was fixed for Wednesday. =Will WICK PEER AG F. The Earl of LAUDYRDALE moved, That the recent rest)• lotion of the Houre, against' their lordships receiving any evi dence militating against the rights of Henry, tenth Baron Borth wick, under the adjinacation of 1762, be read, which was dingly trone. • The Noble Earl, after a few observations, stated, that he should - move t..e previous question upon the said .resolution will the vitae to the adoption of another, that the Committee of Privileg , s should be instructed to receive evidence on the part of the claimums, slough the same should controvert the adjudi cation of of l'iut!, as there was no legitimate descendant•of the said Henry td claim the benefit of such judgment. hfis Lordship having moved to this effect, the priliositioa, :titer a few words trout the Loma CIL%NCCLLOR, vis agreed to by the Home; as enk as also a suggestion of the Noble Earl's, that the Order for reuniting tli: case in the Committee of Privileges to-morrow should he discharge'd, and ita further considaration adjourned until the n, at Session. The Bills upon the table hems respectively forwarded, their Lordships adjourned till to-morrow. HOUSE OF COMMONS. MESSAGE RESPECTING 71IE VOTE OP CREDIT. The Cud% N ext.t.oz of the Excarouctt, with a Message from the PRINCE RMILNT. brought up awl read, aid was Jae:fly as follows: " GEORGE, P. R. "The PR :N CE Riot r, acting in the rune and on the behalf of his Me; rags, considering the great importance it may be of to the welfare of thia country, that a provision should he made to take advantage of any circumstances that may arise out of the present state of things on the Continent, and relying on the seal and experience of the. House of Commons, trusts they will take such measures as in their wisdom they may think necessary, to enable him to disappoint or defeat the designs of his enemies." On the motton of the CHANCELLOR of the Excur.ocea, the Prince Regent's most gracious Message was ordered to be taken into considera..ien to-morrow. On the motion of Mr. WESTERN, Returns of the Duties paid en Leather in the two quarters, ending April sth and July sth, lel., so soot: as they can be made up, with several other Papers relative to thtexportation and-importation of Raw and Tanned Hides, were ordered to be laid before the House. Mr. S. WORTLEY brought up the Report of the Committee appointed to enquire into the circumstances of Mr. Crogan's confinement. It stated that the treatment be had received in Newgate did not appear to have been severe, Improper, or un usuaL—Ordered to lie on the table and to be printed. Mr. CI&'OKER presented a Petition, signed by certain inha bitants of London and Westminster, against the Licensed Vic . tualirrs ) Mr. ROSE observed, this !elect(' appeared one of the most culpable attempts to impose on the House be ever remembered ' to have seen. Many of the names attached to It were spelt im properly. The Christian name " William," was invariably spelt with at, H. Now, that one of the persons signing might sign his : name thus, was not improbable, but that so many persons as there were of that Christian name, concerned in chit petition, shi.uld spell their natnss so, was not credible. This proved, in his mind, that many of them had been written by the same hand. The alleviating of the Petition, however, were so manifestly ab sur,i, that having offered these remarks, he had no objection to f its being laid on the table. Mr. Citox ER said, many of the names in the petitions, pre seated on the subject of the Claims of the Catholics, had been , • written in the...out hand, yet the petitions were not objected to or. this account. 1 hot petition had been pus into his bands, and es the lani,nage of it l'a4 not appeared to him improper, he Lad L thought it his du: yto bro .. rz it before the House. if it was o [ ' euitaently absurd as the Right Hon. Gentleman seemed to think, Leta Jo:: oi-iatou, it was admirably suited to the Bill to w'aicleit was Intruded to apply.. . _ . . ... - The Fetitit•n n:s ordered to he on the Ta liume tot vtt sat:on took place httweeit Mr. Wurruaama and Mr. tki.Attvrt, on the subject of the Report of tlie Auction fluty Bits. Mr. WHITBREAD • wished it to he postponed to .'ilursclay. Filially, it was understood that Mr. WHARTON cor.- sewed to postpone it to Wednesday. On Cie Report of the Licensed Vktuallers' being brought up— Mr. CROKER, on the question being put.— " That the Amendments be now agreed to," proposed as an Amendment, that they should be react a Sd time on that day three months. Mr. IiOSE spoke at some length in favour of the Bill, after which the }louse dtsided, when the numbers were— Nor agretio; to the Amendments now 41—For the Amtud• iroei.t of Mr. C'rolier ::9--Majority in favour of the Report 2. On the guestion .that die Avon be received, another division ~:. • took place--Por thelet6lt 4e—Against It 41—Majority for It 8. —The Bill was then ordered to be read a sd time to-morrow. •.)n the question that the House should go into ll Committee on the Windsor Forest BiII, a desultory conversation lose, In which Mr. WIIITIRIAD Mr. WRARTON, Mr. L. Duitom, Mr. BENNETT, and Mr. Rosa participated. Mr. WHITBREAD stated the information he had receiveil from Mr. Wham.% respecting the depredations committed in Windsor Forest, the marking of the trees, a ce. to be inconsistent with what he h adi heard in other quarters, and he was told a commission had been issued under the Privy Seal, to enquire into the practicability of farming out part of the Parks of Wind sor, Richmond, !cc. . . Mr. WHARTON denied that any intention existed to cut down the trees marked in Windsor Park. They were, however, necessary, when it was thought proper to direct any of the tim ber to be felled, to direct the persons employed to the right trees. He knew nothing of the Commission mentioned by 'the Hon. Gentletnan (Mr. Whitbread). The fences and sheds in the Park at Hampton Court, he stated, in answer to a question put by Mr. Bennett, to have been raised for the reception of the Prince Re. gent's stud. The expense of raising them was paid by the Trus tees of the Park. The Bill then went through a Committee, the Report of which was ordered to be received t.-morrow. The Report of the Royal Irish Canal Company Bill was taken intolurther consideration. The Bill was recommitted ; the Report of the Committee was received; and the Bill ordered to be read a third time to-morrow. The Paymaster-General's Account Bill went through a Com mittee; the Report of which was ordered to be received to morrow. The Irish Insolvent Debtor's Bill went through a Committee; the Report of which as eidered to be received to-morrow. A Message from the Lords announced their Lordships' assent to the Innkeepers' Bill. The Fire Arms Proof Bill was read a second time, and or dered to be committed this day. • The Committee on the Corn Laws was postponed to this day. Leave was given to bring in a Bill for regulating the Building of Ships employed in the Southern Whale Fishery. Mr. HILEY ADDINGTON obtained leave to bring in a Bill to extend the services of the Militia of the Tower Hamlus to all parts of the United Kingdom. He then brought in the Bill, which was read a first, and ordered to be read a second time to•rnorrow. Accounts of the Duty on Bile of Exchange in England and Scotland, Avxre ordered to be laid before the House. 'Mr. JIAisLNGTON moved that a letter, dated June 8, 1813, addressed to the Directors of the East-Inch:Company, respecting the Idol I orgernaut, be laid before the House. • - The motion was objected to by Mr. COURTNLY, but agreed to after a kw words from the Sresueß. AFFAIRS OF INDIA. Lord CASTLEREAGH moved, that the Howe do resolve itself into a Committee on the East-India Bill. Mr. GRENFELL said, he felt convinced, from a full view of the whole of this question, that the expe riment now about to be tried would endanger the existence of the whole of our Empire in India. Mr. W. KEENE entered into a long range of ar gument, in order to shew that this measure would be injurious to the interests of the East.tadia Company, and preg cant with danger to our Empire in the East. Mr. CALCRAFT did think that the political power of the Company, or rather their sovereignty over India, ought to continue as it now did. But he strongly objected to the length of time for which the Charter was to be continued. He also thought the proposition contained in the 13th Resolution was of the most.dlangerous tendency, as most improperly in terfering with the religion of the natives. It had been confidently- said that the whole country had petitioned for this minsure. It was very true the petititlns were most numerous ; but then the petitioners went much farther than the Ministers, because they wanted no thing less [than the conversion of the whole of the na tives of India to Christianity. When the House, in a Committee, came to this past of the Bill, he should oppose it. As to the otter parts of the Bill, he thought it highly pr oper to open the Trade, because he thought the India Company were bad merchants. Mr. GORDON thought that the whole system of. Indian Government required a complete alteraticin ; and that neither of the parties interested in the present question entertained any correct view of the manner in which this reform was to be brought about. The royal merchants of Leadenhall-street were for keeping every thing in its present state; and the speculating merchants, who wanted to alter the system, had no other ol.ject in view but that of participating in the Trade. The whole of the plan, therefore, he highly disapproved of, considering it, as he did, to be nothing more than a piece of patch-work, intended for the ac commodation of all parties ; but, in his opinion, not calculated to answer any great public object, or pro duce any permanent good. Mr. GRANT was of opinion, that the system now attempted to be broken down had not been pro perly considered. Ile bad all along deprecated this measure, and he did so still. Persons well acquainted with the state of India saw nothing in this visionary experiment but delusion and danger. Some of the principal objections to this measure were the curtail ments of the Company's power, and the probability of their not being able to go on with the trade; be sides, the periodical sales of the Company would be wholly broken down, by which their commerce would be greatly injured. There was also a system of licen sing to go on, under the authority of the Govern ment, which would produce the idea of two distinct Powers acting in India; and that must have the ef fect of weakening and shaking the whole system of government by which the Indian Empire had hitherto been upheld. Feeling a high interest in the present system, which he considered the best that could be devised, he could never consent to have it altered by such a plan as was now proposed, which would very soon change the character of the Indian Government. The Hon. Gentleman then adverted to the Fifth Re port, and to the observations which had been made upon k on a former night by an Hon. Member (Mr. Rickards) who had adduced, as a proof of the po verty and hardships under which the inhabitants lived, to what was stated in that Report,. namely, that the people lived upon nothing but rice, and were clothed in t! . .e slightest manner. This, however, he (Mr. Grant) contended was not true. They went thus thinly clothed, and fed thus frugally, from choice, and in compliance with their ancient manners and customs. Mr. LUSHINGTON was of opinion that the ex tension of the trade, if allowed fairly to take place, the Company retraining from taking improper ad. vantages of the private trader, and the private trader conducting himself properly, would p r o ve advanta geous to the Country. The Hon. Gentleman then proceeded at considerable length to take a review of the religious principles and prejedices of the natives, and of the puulications of the Missionaries, which, he contended, had, in many instances, an effect contrary to the interests of India. He contended, that the situation of the great mass of the population of India - was not plunged in that depth of immorality which had been imputed to them ; on the contrary, their re ligion war is system of morality ; they had been , , taught to believe that they would always be protec ted in tile exercise of their religion, and that convic tion had done much towards rendering them submis sive to our government. He then proceeded to read extracts from several works of morality comnfbnly read amongst the Hindoos, and also several of the prayers used by the Brahmins, which were of the most solemn and impressive description, and which he had, he, said, often heard the Priests repeat in the course of their religious ceremonies; which were not, as he had heard them represented in this country, a mixture of blasphemy and profanation, but they were i a mixture of devotion towards Gon, and , benevolence towards men.- He then read from the works of Mr. Orme, the character which that gentleman gives to the Gentoos. Mr. Orme observes, 44 a people whose religion teaches them, that to destroy the smallest in sect, is a crime, and that charity to the poor is the greatest virtue—who are extravagantly attached to domestic pleasures—who are kind masters and affec tionate friends, cannot be innately vicious."—Mr. Lushington then proceeded to declare, that on the subject of sending Missionaries to India, he was per fectly of opinion with Sir W. Jones, who had said— that, in his opinion, the Hindoos would never be con verted by any mission, either of the Catholic or any other Church; the only mode of effecting that desir able object would, in his opinion, be to have the Pro phecies of Isaiah translated into the Hindoo language and silently dispersed among them. This should also, in his opinion, be accompanied by a translation of the Gospels. These, if left to themselves, he (Mr. Lushington) was folly persuaded would silently make their way ; but if we attempted to force any religion upon these people, he was persuaded, from the knowledge he had of their temper and disposition, such an attempt would meet the most determined re 1 sistance ; and the flaming brands would be pulled by them from their altars, for the purpose of kindling Rebellion against the Power which thus endeavoured 'to force upon, them a creed different to that in which they had been educated. Mr. W. SMITH contended, that his Hon.Triend (Mr: Wilberforce) never had quoted one opinion of Dr. Buchanan—he had never made the slightest refe rence to that Gentleman's book. He was as con. vinced. as the Hon. Gentleman who spoke last, that those tho might be sent to convert the natives of In dia should be perfectly aware of the dispositions and manners of the people among whom they were going. He said, that if he found the religious institutions of the Hindoos were sanguinary, and that no regard was had to justice in their laws, he must naturally conclude that these things must have arisen from a sanguinary people, or that they must have made the people so. He read, in an extract from the sacred book of the Hindoos, six characters of women-Ist, inordinate love of finery-2d, immoderate lust-3d, violent-4th, deep and dark resentment-sth, malig nant envy—and, 6th (as a most inadequate corollary to such premises) most vicious and irregular conduct. He contended, from these circumstances, that the Hindoos were a people whom it became our duty to ! convert to morality, as well as to Christianity. If those who thought that the Pag-an Mythology was as good as the Christian Religion, wouli only say so openly, they would better know what to think of their opinions on other subjects. He would ask, what opinion could be formed of a God whose favour a man would expect to propitiate by running two hooks into his back, and allowing himself to be swung round by them for two hours together ? 'What could be thought of Bramins who would recommend wo men to burn themselves on the dead bodies of their husbands ? He mentioned the case of a Hindoo wo man, who escaped from the funeral pile of her hus band, but who was brought back by her own son, and after being bound hand and foot, was thrown again upon the pile, and consumed with the dead body of her husband. Would Gentlemen then say, that the professors of this pure and hay religion re quired no instruction ? Mr. LUSHINGTON explained. Mr. TIERNEY said, that there was not a syllable in the Bill as yet which had any reference to the sub ject which they had been discussing. He maintained that the old system for the regulation of India had made, in a few years, more progress towards perfec tion than perhaps any other that had ever existed.— He said, that in every clause of the Bill it would be found that the Board of Controul was making more and more rapid strides towards the annihilation of the Company ; for if the Company should think that no more licences should be issued, the Board of Con troul could cause them to be granted. But he could not conceive why licences should be granted in order to carry on what was generally considered as deserv ing to be made a free trade. Neither could he con ceive why this trade (if it were to be opened at all) should only be granted to a few. In all that Mi nisters had been doing, he thought they had been putting themselves in the power of the Gentlemen of the Out-ports: for there was a clause, by which any 1 part of the Bill might be altered, if it were found de trimental to the Out-ports. Among the various pro. visions of the Act, he took notice of that which gave a power to prohibit certain merchants from trading to India, and a power to take up people in India, and send them home. Doubts formerly existed whether the Governor-General was justified in sending people home merely of his own authority. But as the power was now given, he wished to know by whom was the expense of their passage to be defrayed. Another clause in the Bill gave the power of appointing a Bi shop for India. Now in this exceeding large din:es°, .extending from the Cape of Good Hope to Cape Horn, he wished to know what this Bishop would have to do, and what use was there for an Archdea con ? The fact was, that these appointments were mere jobs, intending to increase the influence of the Government. The Bill savoured of any thing but a system, and he defied any man to chew any thing like system in this business. He maintained, that the Court of Proprietors were not justified in accepting the Char. ter, unless they thought they could go on under the Act without being in a state of dependence on Go vernment. If the Company were not to be kept Mire pendent, it would be a base and underhand way of encroaching on the Rights of the Compaq'', by put ting them in the situation of beggars every year. His serious conviction was, that the Court of Directors could not act upon the law that was now about to be enacted ; for in a very few years it must lead to the bankruptcy of the East India Company. Lord CASTLEREAGH replied to some of the arguments of Mr. Tierney, and observed, tlmt I.f had never heard a speech of less solid argument, awl one less likely to prevent the House from coming to a determination, than that made use of by the Right Hon. Gentleman who had just sat down. He seemed to be anxious that the eloquence which he expend:ct in vain on Parliament should not be lost elsewhere; but for his owe part he hoped the Proprietors under. stood good policy better than refuse such a Charter. Did the Right Hon. Gentleman think that the pros. perity or ttownfall of India depended on the extension of the imports to the outports As the Right lion Gentleman seemed anxious to apply his arguments to practical purposes rather than to make an imptes. sion upon principles, he would gratify him by rnor:ng that the House do immediately resolve itself into 4 Committee on the Dill. Mr. IL THORN-TON considered this as a dangerods experiment to the East India Company. Mr. MARRYATT strongly nbjt•cted to the plan of building ships in India, which wits injurious to the great interests of England. Mr. C. GRANT entercd at some length into defence of the Company. After some remarks from Mr. rAWCRT, the liousr resolved into the Committee on the Bill, which Ar a 6 read pro forma p; —and the Report was ordered to be taken into further consideration on Wedue,Jay. The other Orders being disposed of, the Howe, a: half-past one, Adjourned. FRENCH PAPERS. VIENNA, JUNE 12. M. de Narbonne, Ambassador from France, hi: this for Dresden, after having received a Courier. JUNE 10.—Great activity prevails in the Cabinet— nine couriers arrived on the 4th and sth from Gl6. chen : our course of exchange continues to improve• VERONA, JUNE 3. Troops arrive here every day: they are to form part of the Army of the Adige, assembling by the Viceroy of Italy, and which, judging from the dispo• sitiors made, will be considerable. FRANKFORT, JUNE 17. We hare a considerable garrison here. It is said that 20,000 French troops will pass the Rhine during this and the following week. The Army of May( nce, commanded by the Duke of Castiglione, has asses; bled in our neighbourhood, * . nd that of Aschaffen. bourg. It is reported that the head.quArters of this army, which is considerable, will be at Wurtzburg. DRESDEN, JUNE 17. The Count de Narbonne has arrived here from Vienna, with some persons of his egation. Count Bubna has frequent -conferences with the Duke of Bunn°. The Emperor of Austria is still at Gascher., The different cabinets are actively employed, alai there is a continual exchange of Louritrs. The Flute!) imperial Guard is lodged in Dresden. We are still working on the fi rtiticat;ons of the tpw town : thirty-six., battalions 'of rn a camp of barrack:, in the form of a half-circle, round that part cf our town. The marauders. who remained upiin the bark of the Elbe are briskly pursued. The 7th col)! d l armee is encamped between G,7erh;z and Leoiel.!- shagen. The cavalry, in great part, is cantoned Lower Lusau and the circle of Wittenberg. The, most efficacious measures are adopted for provisioning . the army. The Kinhas bought a large quantity of wheat and oats in Bohemia ; and from Franconia and the banks of the Rhine, great transports of rice and horned cattle daily arrive. A brigade of French cavalry has marched with some infantry upon Chemnitz and Zurichaw, the en virons of which were infested with some pillaging Prussians. Twelve. Saxon Officers, lately arrived from Cracow with General Gablintz'e brigade, ac. companied this detachment. The Emperor enjoys the best health, and it is thought his abode in this capital will be of some du ration. The Russian and Prussian corps of light cavalry, which made excursions in the neighbourbiod of Gratz, Jena, Oebspitz, Plauen, and Hof, retired after they received intelligence of the Ai*istice. In the reports which the Military Governor of Si x lesia published at Breslau, relative so the battles of the 20th and 21st May, it was among other things stated, that on this occasioa a detachment of Sawn troops deserted to the enemy. But this assertion is entirely void of foundation ; and the Governor of Si ; lesia must in this respect have received ii.cor - ec; statements. GENOA, JUNE 18. We learn that the'troops eitcamped at T-ndon are extremely numerous, and busily occupied in being disciplined. We have remarked stiovements in that port which indicate, that so large au assembling (1, force has a more important object than the mere de• fence of the coasts. VIENNA, JUNE 12. The conditions of the Armistice of the 4th of Jung have just been published. This intelligence has pro duced the most agreeable sensation here, and catives a continental peace to be considered as very near. NUREMBURG, JUNE 13, The Polish troops, commanded by Prince Poria• towski, have lately passed through a part of the 110 hemian territory, to proceed to the frontiers of Lusau, where they are to rejoin the other corps of the Grand Army. FRANKFORT, JUNE Is. Several actors from the French theatres, and other persons attached to it, have passed here ; they :tr. going to Dresden. \yesterday there arrived here and in the neighbourhood 2000 cavah y, and as many in fantry ; they this morning continued their route to rejoin the army. The two regiments of the young guard which have been here some days, set nut this mining for chi i. uiterior destination. Numerous detachmeuts et di'- mounted eavalfy still remain here. We are assured that personages of high distinction are expected :it Dresden. • • BARNbk.RG, JUNE 12. Hotels are ptepAting at Dtestien to receive Pci. sonages of high distiocttoo. The hut posts from Lcipzic have not arrived. MAUVE, JUNE is. • In the event of a Cohgresi taking place, which every thing induces to capect, we do not :now whether it will be held in our town. Nary rrlsons would be at Dresden. cei the R of Br •a Nal JO' 60/1 Son