Star. — London, England, 1829-04-08 00:00:00

Po mond to ta ke. ft, while .. theltonten Catholic was re tiefeaufroen those declara tt01 . 1.1 st again transubstantiation. so d t he &m einent of . Mass, an 3 other pat ts,of the Ro., man• Catholic religion, which had hitherto been called idolatress. It was surprising to hi n that ever since the s tato reof Charles the Second was passed, it had not • m i ff ed iota the consideration of any man whether it was • "Min the power of Parliament to alter chi} oath.? But he { n and he should get into a discussion on the principle of the Bill if* he went any further into that topic; but he sousesay, that when he recollected that every Bishop of the Church of England,from the moment of the passing of that 'Act to the day on which he spoke, or at least to three or four days ago, had solemnly declared that a main ceremonies of the Roman Catholics were, as they were stated to be in the Declaration, idolatrous, he - thought that the Roman Catholic religion itself was ;wither more nor Ist, thanidolatry. Bot there was a Right Rev.. Prelate who held, the other evening, that the pi otessors of that religion were not at all idolattol.lo, though every Bishop of the Church of England had . disclared, in this House, since the time of Charles H. that ieligion to be id-lout:sus-Some of their Lordship. were hOt aware of this consideration, when they talked with out reference to the principle of this Bill, and said that redly ffve oy six Rom in Catholic Peers set old be admitted by its coming into operation. They only looked at the circumstance of there being a few or large number of Roman Catholii Members admitted into that House or the House of Commons. ' It had also been said that the Oath of Supremany was a false declaration, if it iin , pined idolatry to the'Roman Catholic religion. After all, they seetned to see people merely as Protestant risotto and Roman Catholic penbns, and the' Mem. bees •eil the Legislature merely as Protestant Members of the Houses of Liirds or 'Comm'ons, and Roman Ca* . tholii Mensbests 4 the Houses of Lords or Commons. But he , could not tell what the feelings of that man . must be 'who could come into that House and see his Majesty cn the Throne, and the Lord Chan cellor on his kneel, calling on his Majesty, as he was bound to do, if he had not already done so at the Coronation, to make and subscribe that Declaration, by which the whole of the doctrines of the Roman Catholic teligion . ate deviated to be idolatrous, while the Roman Catholic Peers and Members of the House of Commons were assembled with the others to hear • their febeitta declared idolatrous; and so it would re. main after.this Act was passed, if iccontioued inks 'present hum.. The Right Reverend Polite bad also said, and said very truly, in the notion of a Protestant -Bishop, that . we are all Members of the Christian Church. If the Right Reverend Prelate would allow 'bill, he would ask . respectfully, as he wished to do, .fronthis repae.d.to the Right Reverend Prelate's cha racter, *holier the declaration that the Protestant, Chtisct. uf England .. was' a branch of the Christian' ' Vhurch t and the members of it members of the • ' .Chtistian Church, bad ever been made by the Itsernap • Catholic Church ? If that was inserted into the oath to 'be LAM under this Bill by the Roman Catholic:, there would be son ethiog admitted by them. Who ever found that the proressors of the Roman Catholic reli gion inlreland admitted any such thing as that the Pro. testant•Chttech is a branch of the Christian Church, omits msn.bers mensbeisof the Christian Church? If they would admit that into the oath, it would be every great satisfaction to bins; 'but if they looked into tire piociedings that had taken place. ,and doctrines' lately preached In Ireland, every Noble Lord must see, that if suefra ',estate' were admitted lee) the oath, the Roman • Csltholicirwritild tan m*b admirettlekill. The oath, as it now stood VI them, did not requite them to. admit the 'supremacy of the. Crown in matters ecclesiastical, and if theit lath deltioww nuldleob imp every Act of Park .tent —into all the law books, they would seethat everything sheweckhat the principle ofConstionionai security,. It 'eh declared the King's , supremacy' ins ecclesiastical albs, was recognised as a principle of law by every authority. He begged the favour of the House to think indulgently of hire while he *aid again sad again, that, having on his oath sworn that his Majesty had the supremacy in thickiagelow id all matters ecclesiastical, be could not ptesunte to admit others to office or seats in Parliament who would not acknowledge the Kieg's supremacy :th at principle bad been acknowledged *lace the days of our Saxon ancestors in the reign of Edward theConfe,sor,and he would never consent to see it abandoned: he could not, he would not do it. Those who thought differently might act as honestly as he was endeavouring w do; but he could not fullest/ their course. In all our law's, hoot the most ancient period of our history down to that mon eat when be had the honour to address them, this principle was acknowledged a part of she Crowta's rights; and whether it was so or not, .he had sworn it was, and by that oath he was bound. It was in vain thin men praised the excellence of the Established Church and tie polity 'f al OOCtriii. X, and to argue that that excellence ano Wiry would alone maintain it as it now blood. It the meMbeis of the Protestant Church admit that they de* net 'acknowledge the Supremacy of the Crown, it is not the mantfeStation of that purity, nor that tousistency of conduct, which they always pre. moved, that wt , alJ insure them the respect of the sub jects-.. 150 would say the injured subjects of this country. Ifthey denied to him that the voice of the country was ' r.isect against this measure more than it had ever bean before on any other occasion, yet liesioseld feel that all their pus sty at d excellence atm d not avert the effects 'oltliat Might ,be. et, iced iron, dare:foci ref religious 'opirribo.• hot take assay 'lsom Unir alivetearies the ap ' Ipetite fir tithes and glebe lands, bedew, they are the 1 Meths of suppesikg an Established Church. He a ked Abair Li rdsiirps uhesbet trey did not expect t h at t'om 111400041tete would coase in the n inds out he great mass of the 1 little all that veneration for the L tahlihed 'Church which they had formerly possessed, when t ey bond-this she Owe teemed this pu:ely as a political sObjvt.t, vs milts did also as a purely telign.us sub. jeer?.., Ile maintained 'that it ought to he regarded as both. hi a political view of it, he. had Waco) sup ported the laws lor the exclusion • f the Roman Ca tholics, because he cunsideled them eesential, to the 'lidera of _civil and religious liberty; and not snarly were they so declared in all the Acts of Podia. 1 sheet to be a I.erpsturl .aoggrity for the civil and tell. 4 .gioushb tries i f his tallow subjects. but also, he bes liciest, 'fey bad the effect hithe.to of producing in the 'lands it Englishmen those moral and religious .feehogir ohich had distinguished them above all the in Bite' bn the earth, and made thin the patients of - Metal tied religious cenduct to the whole Protestant %veld. This objection did not go so far as to exclude •the Roman Catholics horn all effigies: for he did Mit abject to place them in Nth political offices es would in nether them tp seats in Parliament, and. entitle them so be i n trusted With the discharge of the deities of the highest i flees in the executive departments of the State. l Hee:mined himself tn that Went ; but this elfresethiew ' nen eet'ff 011 it to the KOMan Catholics With a Pit et 'vowel. lo tli, opinion, a vast variety or offices otalibt lobe tempted which wet* not included in the mocepti ns. He could not give Ms consent, therefore, to this clause as it stood at present. It was said that it was quite int sloneillie to describe the taken this enightUndee pettiness to becossa,Cahinel ltilissiatim, and, thonfoto. du* ail precautions of that character were 'useless. Hiehaew , that Cabinets might be composed of individualt s .paet DU • whom were united in one opinion aid disagreed with . the rest who were united in another-opinion. He knew that very well by experience, and be had seen how most wonderfully some Ministers were converted to opinions= directly opposite to those they formerly held. Yet still he thought that he could apply an exception even to such persons esthete. He desiredto know whether, if these two little words- 0 Privy Cuonselloss," were made part of the exceptions, they would not be efectoal ? He felt that he should be acting improperly if he went through all the clauses, which he could better consider and would amply discuss on the third reading, when he should be ready to offer s base arguments to their Lordships to which he should beg their particular attention. He knew• the zeal and ability of the Noble and Learned Lord on the Woolsack, and he had no objection to con fess that something not very comfortable to him—he meant a teasing gopt•—would induce him to escape from the fatigue of entering more fully into the ques tion at that time; but it, on the third reading, he should be able to attend, he would go much more largely than he ought to do when merely dimming the clauses, inasmuch as the observations would apply to other clauses not before their Lordships. On the third read ing, he could state his objections at once to the prioci pie and to all the pacts of the Bill. There was one point to which, before he concluded, he desired to call the consideration of the Noble and Learned Lord on ' the Woolsack, and of all the rest of their Lord- ships, including the Noble and Learned Lord (Plunkett) on the Treasury Benches, and other Noble Lords, his Noble Friends, as well as those Noble Lords who v:ete opposed to him.. It related to James the Second. —One of the circumstances which, in • the judgment of the people of this country, had rendered him so odious that he wAs obliged to leave it, was the liberty he wok with the Charters: rHe (Lord Eldon) wished to know whether it was the intention of this. Bill that all the charters of Corporate Bodies, which the corporator, were required, and had for years and years been required, when admitted to corporate offices, to take the oaths and declarations, to be repealed by this 13.111—he meant to ask, did their Lordships intend to tear off the seals from these charters, and allow the can- stitution of such Corporations to be violated? In future clauses of the Bill there were many exceptions for some C , lrporate Bldies, but there were many who would be placed, by the Bill, in the strange situation he had de -1 scribed. The Noble and Learned Lord apologised, in closing, for detaining the House; but he could not have absolved his conscience if he had omitted the discharge of his duty, nor could he conclude without putting the question to those around him—how they and he could get rid of the oaths they had already taken ? •The Bishop of LLA-NDAFF protested stalest the argument of the Noble sod Learned Lord, that because he (the Bishop of Llandaff ) was willing to consent that Roman Catholics should dt beside him in Parliament, he should be considered as ready to re linquish the principle of the oaths and declaration which be had taken and subscribed--(Hear, from thg Earl of Eldon).—Perhaps be had misunderstood the Noble and Learned Lord's argument ; but, if not, it was one of the most extraordinary that bad ever been advanced. The Red of ELDON—What I said was this, that I had not been able to end that Roman Catholics had admitted that the Piosestant E.rablished Church was a branch of the Christian Church; and 1 deduced from that a strong-reason why they should not bet considered fit companions for the Right Reverend Prelate— (Hier, and a laugh) —The Roman Catholics denied any supremacy or autirority, civil, ecclesiastical, or spiritual, in the Sovereign of these redoes • and I now sib the Right Reverend Prelate how I cats retract t hat oath and declaration, which I have taken forty time, and remain easy in his mind?—(Loud cheering.) 'The Bishop of LL A N DA FN said the Noble Lord had answered Itia.oesa objection. The admission of Catholics was a question of eipedieuey, and woe a question sit principle; and If it could be dome safety, their Lordships most agree that the sootier it was dome the better. The Bishop of OXFORD 'fully concurred with the Noble and Learned Lord that every idolator was guilty of idolatry. He trusted he bad as much regard for the solemnity of an oath as the Noble and Learned Lord, and having sworn that the sacrifice of the mass and tither Outs of worship of the Catholics wete idolatrous, still held that opinion. There was, therefore, no dif• Terence bassets himself and the Noble and Learned Lord on the point it the word 6 6 idolatrous" was sub s hosted for 1. idolatry." He continued to think that the invocation if saints was superstitious, but he should have great hesitation in swearing that the sacrifice of the was positive idolatry.. He should, therefoie, wish the Noble and Leal ned Lord had gone a little farther back, and shown him the place in histbry in which it appealed that the Bishops of Charles 11. had scrota that the sacrifice of the mass and the Catholic religion itself was a system of idolauy. No such posi tion had ever been held by the Docti.rs of the &ca. Iblished Church, who had consequently been defamed by the Noble and Learned Lord's attributing to them each doctrines. He wou d repeat, that he hati/ntser said that the ineacation of saints and the sacrifice of the mass were not• 66 idolatrous,"although he would say that he had newer sworn that they consti.uted 66 idolatry:' None but a tyto in logic could draw the conclusion that the two words meant the same thing. The Ea 1 of ELDON denied that he had himself eves said that all P.l.ei v was idolatry. Now admitting, as the Right Reverend Prelate wished to contend tor, that the Catholic Church was a Christian Church, he should ke to know, he repeated, whether the Roman Catho lics admitted that the members of the Right Reverend Bench were members of a Christian Church? Tie LORD' CHANCELLOR deprecated the coati nued discussion a the pi iitcrple of the Bill before their Lordships by the Noble and Learned Lord on that. cca.. ,ion. Other opportunities would occur. .He therefore t-tlught the Noble and Learned Lord ought to postiwsne utt• it aril Wither discussion of toe principle of that me*. He could not help expressing • his surprise that the Noble and Learned Lord should declare his igno rance of ihoplace in which was to be found an admission by the Catholics of Ireland that the members of the Pro testant Established Church were members of a Christina Church. 'that admission was to be found in the Repoli Of the evidence given by Dr. Doyle before a Committee of their Lordships' House, which with their Lordships leave he • would read—(Here the Noble and Learned Lord read an extract from the evidence of Dr. Doyle, in which he (Dr. D. yle) declared that he respected and esteemed the Established Church of England more than any ether Church in Europe). He was surprised, therefore, that the Noble and Learned Lord should tome down to that House, and so attempt to overbear their .Lotriships. !Ask Noble and Learned Lord objected tee the admission of Catholics to certain privileges be. cruse they refused to admit the King's supre:nacy in teClessastical matters; but the Noble anirLearned Lord ottAht to recollect that. the Catholics already enjoyed ahoy privileges on the same terms, and that the Bill b.-fore their Lordships went to extend to provisions of a law search had exir ed now nearly forty years. The Earl of MOUNTCASHZL cootooded that the Noble and /earned Lord (the Earl of Eldon) was quits correct to his that** Catholics did set view the Protestant Church io the II& ri a efuistiao Church. • tiotd Tgergßont4.4t b vow forty years slate I was a trw either. its 'legit or grammar; yet I beg leave to say that I bait taunt nothing also atlikkonWat ma, to. ear that a supernitioas • • • -• • - ' aegis Palesalatrstitioa.,ori. Iddareemtesinut Llear).. , TlM.Siskop of O,3LPfLI2 read an, extract from a spresla of . Bishop Horsley. in which be stated that the unman e,tholics r notenadder themselves at liberty to break their engagements with 'heretics. The. Karl of ELDON said thu he had been for Mewl-seven years in that House, sad had not during that time been guilty of attempting to bear down any persao. whimeer • btu , when. the Noble and Leaned Lord talked of bearing dom. lye (Lord liklon) should say that kg was not to he borne.dowabrtweasysticla persons as the Noble and Learned Lord. Loud PLUNKETT was anxious to svy a few words upoo.the subject of the oath of supremacy: The mean. Ing of that oath he contended to be, thyt " no foreign Noce, Prelate, State, or Potentate had, or ought to have, any pane, ecclesiastical or civil; within thi. real ra;' in any sense, or to any roam which was incony sistent with the just rights or prerogatives of the King of this country. It was to this sense, And with, this qea lification, that the oath. was taro, as it was impossible that any person could say that the oath was taken in.a l•teral sense, in which it would be false. BA it had been said that it was impossible. to separate the consi , deration of thrteroporad fronathe ecclesiastical autho rity. Now, this subject had been for about thirty years examined with the most sclutinising accuracy, for t..e purpose of discovering any case in which.thit ecclesiasti cal poWer had operated upon temporal coat.eros, and the only'instance to be discovered was, that patties oho. were in this country married according to the Church, of England were c , nsidesed by the Pope as living ip a. `Sate of sin ; but. the Pope never present in such a c.s.e to deny the legality of diensarriar, or the rights of the issue to inherit. The itt:s:nt oath he believed to contain every thing necessary to maintain die security of the . Stile and the prerogative of ae Crown. The Earl of ROSSLYN recommended their Lord hips to con fine their attention to the clam.. before the House. and not to dis cuss the general question at every sep rage of the all. Lord LYTI'LETON sale, that the tote applied to the Roman Catholics would Dot show them to be idolatrous, epee admitting that the actt of worship which they performed were idolatrous in tliens.selves. He illustrated the ease by saying that if the Socinians were to frame a test for the purpose of excluding the Protestants of the Church of England front ParliAnseist, they would probably select the subject of the divinity of CHRIST. They (the members of the Church of Eng land) believed that Cartier was GOD, and riey aciAnd ingly worshipped him as such. But the Sociniana l who thought that CHRIST WAS a mere man, must look upon the worship of him as idolatrous. In the same way we contidered many acts OT the Roman Ca , holie• to be idolatrous, whilst they were not gu.lty of any idolatry in doing them, as they regardei the objects of their venerntirwr in a very different. view. The Earl of ELDON said, that be wished to say a few words oaths point to which the Noble Lord (Plunkett) had referred. The perties in such circumstances were placed by the spiritual censures of the Pope under the necessity of either violating their duties se braving the chastisement of the Church of nooses Lord PLUNKETT said, that if the parties thought the matures of the Church of sufficient importance to induce them to forego their temporal rights, they wereakt liberty to do so. But he (Lord Plunkett) knew not one case in which this had happened, and be I behaved that it was extremely unfrequent. Lord TENTERDEN proposed an amendment, with a view to Omit the adsniosion to Patliament of any person who may ban bass elected before the passing of this Act. The LORD CHANCELLOR said, tbat heshould oppose the amendment, which was directed against a particular individual.... He thought it unworthy of the dignity of the House to co,. descend, from its high station of legislation, to attack tb- rights of' ' an individual. Lord TENTEILDEN said it was strange, if there was any foun dation for the high position which the Noble and Learned Lord bad taken, that in the lkil there occurred the following wind.-- " Any R oman Catholic who shall after the passing of this Act." The LORD CHANCELLOR said, that he did not agree with his Moistened Learned Friend in thinking, that without his amend ment the individual in question could take his seat in the Hoeft of Commons. Lewd PLUNKETT saki that, although the declaration against transubstantiation was omitted, the Ostia of Supremacy was re tained.. It was true that Roman Cath.ilies had takeu the atth of Supremacy for several years alter the accession of fasten Elia thefts, but it was equally true that nu Roman Carbolic bast taken it for the last 150 years, or would take it now. Lord HOLLAND said that the Act (25 Charles the Second) which was to be repealed by this Act had been retro.pective, and be therefore saw no reason why the present Act should not tie .u. Lord TENTERDEN then withdrew his amendment; after which the original question was put, when the House divided— Poe the original clause . . 135 Against it . • ;lb • lid Majority . . --73 OD our readmission, which was not for a considerable time after their Lordships had resented the iliscussn.n, it was usideratuod that the House was engaged in disca.sing the stconii clause. The Earl of NOUN TCASHEL proposed an Antendmtnt, the object of which was to introduce this, words into the Declaration, " not being in Holy Orders . r hlonanic Orders of the Church ut Rome." The Rol of ROSELYN observed, that would have the effect of excluding any Noble Peer who happened. before his accession to the Peerage, to have taken Orders in the Church of Rome. He could conceive no object in proposing amendments oaf that na ture except purely for the purposes of interruption. Th e Duke of W ELLIN ciToN .a.d, that the effect of that de rivation so altered by the proposed amendment of the Noble Earl would be to exclude Noble Peers :rum that Douse which, after the passing of the Bill, would become their tight. It would be drawing an invidious distinction between Prute.tants and Ituman Catholics to say that no person, being a Bishop or Cardinal of that Church. should have a seat in Parliament. Lord It EDESDA LE ob.erved, that it was well known that the Bishops of the Church of Rolm took an oath which totally incapa citated them from afterwards taking the oath of allegiance. The Marquis of LONDONDERRY objected to the Lingtaage of the Noble Lord in attributing to the Nimble Earl who bad pro posed the amendment an intention of nuking that proposition with the view of creating delay. It was rather hard th t a Noble Lord connected with Ireland should be so treated tor proposing what appeared to him an expedient amendment. Lord PLUNKETT said, the amendment was against all prin. ciple ; • it sought to deprive hereditary Peer. of their hereditary rights: A provision was nude against persons in holy ordera of the Catholic Church sitting inn the other House. for Protestants se circumstanced could not sit there. A Nola', Earl who often spoke upon that question, and who they heard with much pleasure, was in holy orders of the Protestant Church, and not 'neap:lc:wed by that circumstance from sitting and voting. As they were about. putting Roman Catholics and Protestants then on the emir looting, be should object to the amendment of the Noble Earl, as tending is defeat the great purposes of the measure generally. The Earl of HADDINGTON thought the discussion of the present proposition was sheer toes of time, for if the R. man Ca tholic Bishop, by reason of the first oath, was incapacitated from making the declaration, it was obvious that he cooled not entre into the House at all. After a few words from the Earl of MOOVICASWIL. The Duke of RICHMOND said he hoped the Noble Earl would net presevere In pressing his amendment, for that would put him (the Duke of Richmond) to the necessity of doing that which be should not like namely, dividing with his Majesty's hlinisters. —Amendment wit/mine o. The Earl of FALMOUTH was extremely anxious that some `Nations should be fixed to the number of Roman Catholic Re regentatives sitting in Parliament. Though be should be sorry Mesa so many as one hundred, yet be thought it better that that member should be fixed than that there should be no limit what ever; end he, therefore, thought that he should not discharge his duty if he did not endeavour to get the antendtnent which he held in his hand made a past of the Rill; it was to that effect that Ro man Catholics should only be eligible to sit for places in Ireland. • Lord ELLENBOROUGH said, the effect of the Noble Earl's Amendment was to prevent any persons being elected fur counties, cities, and boroughs in Ireland -- (A laugh). The Karla FALMOUTtIItio, in England. It was contended that some necessity or expediency existed with respect to Ireland; the same was not inthted on with respect to England. . • The Duke of WELLINGTON—They bid all alon; reeemiel upon the principle that it was elpediensto Sdniit,Rontan Catholics Into Parliament.. That principle bad been adopted by the House in agreeing to the Second reading, and be sew se ground for the die' tined= proposed to be 'established b the • Mont of the jdoble Ear & Why sboolit Ronian . bedtated front sitting ; fog. motto; and cane tit *tibia and ileothelol Ni-wby ' •-; .046. should the number nee hundred be Seed ern? and why •hould It .he assumed. that at the Representath ea lvoirld Main r.4thwicit Ile sate Kura) Noble Lords pear him n hu, he b a d no douhr ‘ yrould vtry much regret to see the r4otrstaiite excluded 'rem the representation of lteland ; he, for eine, would regret It exceedingly. There could he no grounds for antivpatiug ail such result. and the amendment th: n before the Commute would have the effect of creating mi•chievous distinctionswithout attaining the object in view. The F.arl of FA L MOUT! —Tbe lits!de Duke quite mjsiinder. stood him; be was far frusa wishing fur 100 members of the l'a tbelicpenua4ota. A cotiveration then mimed between the Earls of CASKAIMIII and Mks Lin% the , Duke of WitLuxury:a, the Marquis of Lauseown, and bad Kamm. The amendment was negatived. The Earl of WINCH ILSRA propmed that lt•unt.in Catholics should not be required to declare that they renounced the do,:tristo tbat l'rinces might be deposed. Whatever might base been the caw formerly, be was persuaded that a long time pea no snub opinions were entertained. , After a few observations from the Earl of lltiontwortat, the Loan Clll l / 1 11CeL6/11, Lord RILDVIDALt, Lord TENTLIMEN, and Lord Alloy PICA str Lurd 'UN DER DR.N proposed that the 'Para, " and n3t. a" should br inserted aft er the word " kyon the gr nand that privilytes ratendrd only to the House. 01 Par:la:ll4u, aisJ ~ ..1 to offices in•Corporati.bus, to which it was quire as otcessiry that tbr provision. sat the hill should rstend as to the esti: .nieut. 'Ube WU/ CIIANCKLLOK said, that if elte NW)lc lord would read the whole of the clAux.e, be would &id tb.tt tbe word privilege extended to perouts tilting offices out of the P..ilistneot as well a' jo. Lord TICNDKRDEN said, that he had devoted many hours to the perusal.of the WI. and had p id much attentian to it. hut he confessed he could not read it as the Sold,: Lord bad ju•t 'card. At all events, it it was the intention of Government that the pro viauns of the Bill should extend to the person. he had mentioned, there could be no harm at least in addieig the words he proposed. After some other observations front several Noble Lords the question was put spots the amendment, and negatived. Two whet clauses were aiterwards read and agreed to. Lord K YON then moved t list the I louse do adjourn. Earl GltliY thought it would be better that the Hluse should gicou at least as long ea there shuukl be no opposition to any of the Lord KE YON', however, persisted in bis motion; and :.ht► a few•nhser•.atioos from several other Noble Lord., the queetion 11141 the House do) Adjourn was put, sod a divisiusi took plate, when t h e stuusluers were— _ _ . Commit. 14; Not Content. 113 : Nlajorit y. 99. Lord IZOLLE, however, chaired. his detcrimsiatiou to divide the House every Gee minutes upon the (pet:shill ; iu consequence of which The Duke of WELLINGTON proposed tbat the Muse should adjourn until hve o'clock to-morrow (ttos day) The Nob's Duke's proposition was agreed to. and the House ii)unieJ at HALI•PAST On. O'CLUCE. HOUSE OF CONINIONS. Comm.! was beard and witnesses were examined upon Ilaynes's Divorce Ils Mr. GRATTAN presented Petitions from several parishes is Ireland, against the Burying Act, and the Subletting and Veur, Acts. Plea a Petition trout the Bishop and Secular t:krgy of the Diocese of Ferns, and from Galway, in,favour of Mouoric Goole tutionc—Oidered to be printed. Mr. MILL moved lot a Return of all Coals brought into Los• don, not sea coal. in the yawn 1886 111 , 47, and 11h18.—Orsiere.i. Mr. LI:NNAILD forearmed a Petition front the B.lk tianutao. turns of Halstead, in the county of hoes, cumplai ll i ll g of ,actress, and attributing the state of their trade to the alteratioa 01 the dories. Mr. LESTER. thought the duty ought to lit taken ur. ;gig tbsowo silk, and.a bounty given upon the home articie. Mr. Il UM K thought the petitioners were altogether mistaken ist attribeting the causes of their distress to free trade. Mr. D. W. HARVEY said be wished the Hun. Nleniher foe Aberdeen would afford these unfortunate petitioners some more valuable relief than his sympathy. In his opinion the distress of their trade was clearly made out to be created by the inundation of foreign wrought silk., which had followed the adoption of the. Irinctpleaof free trade. Sir G. PHILLIPS contended that the alteration of the laws had nut midmost the present depression in the trade. Mr. UIRIGIIC said that the various opinions entertained upon this question, proved the nacewity of apkuttuseg a Commuter to inquire into its real merits. Air. DARIN deprecated discussion now, is a day was •et apart for the fun consideration to the subject. Mr. EYLER said that all practical men attributed the evil to the admission of foreign manuLctures. Mr. AX W LLL conteuded that a Committer alight to h. ap. pointed, for whatever might be the feelings within thew w.I was wee that throighout the country there was now . general he. lad that no advautage coulJ be expect:4 from the 'pica' which had lately been introduced. Sir G PHILLIPS explairued, and the petition was o:derel to be printed. Mr. MAXWELL presented a P. titian from cert.io inhabi-anti of Paisley, expressing their satisfaction at the Uttuse b sang car. ried a measure for re:Dowell all religious disiincriutis.—Ois!eied to lie on tla: table.—Also a Petition sivied by $:10 per.on4 eitg.g.4 in the Silk Trade at Paisl.y, praying fur an .It. tarots 'A tits pre• sent Silk lawc—Ordered io Le printed RUYAL CANAL COUPANY. Lord TULLAMOItE hol iing a P croon in his h•ird, said—Sir, I hold in my 411 a P t tons from Directors of the Irish Royal Canal Comp ny, cow. g of a grievons 'tiny inflicted or, their veiled tights. 1 feel it my euty, Sir, to call the attention of .he Hou s e puticularly to this Petnion, as toe soling mattes of complaint involves great public p-i dl les; and I c in assure the House I w ill not a rap ss. on their anent on longer than 1 terl is ab.oltuety necessary in justice to th.: Petitioners, who have done .I.e t..e II .ontre to entrust me faith their Petiti..n. S:r, the P..it o..ers have. not presumed to 4,,proich your llnnon.,.b.ell..use till they had b , :en flethed justice fr-nr the cont. ttribu nals to which they have appealed; and under the arty peculiar cirrum tas.ces i which they wove i•lac• if, t i., Sir, is the mai) , uutithial from whiffs they c iin e e to fioficitacction flour the injury about to be intl-rod on their tights and properties. Sir, there exist tr. I e• ind two canals, namely, the G. and aod the It .; Ag d .i.o t un'ortiotately f r the inte.e is of h• tit, they we're eke' •Lized in two p .rallel hoe., emoting for 43 ve miles (ions Dubin', at a .I.st•nee not txceedi , X stn milts .torn ei.h Thetoriseq rences of t fatal -i.aitake have been most ruinous, apJ the Royal Canal kOt afford a return nt, 1 per cent. on the ca,litakt sionded. At this point the canals diverge to the estent•ol 1? mites (soil each other, and the cornplaint•cnorairied ed . this Pelition us, that the Govrinment hav e ,ancliil+4 a grail of ; üblic money for making an the Grand Can a l in the ilifeeti. n of the a , which will bring the two canals a right isr rani u.ii.a if each utter. This rite s on by Li ott-t.r4 th thet are advised.ia the tr.! Ireland; and as, by the peiulial: iticuarslanCes I+l e case, they sir debarred Irons appeal. to other tribunals, ato.l hero the coercion' eiteicibed by Gove nrre ever their funcs they cannot seek rot a ptivateCommit ee, the C uric lett them in defence of their pro ' err es is to make this appeal to the justice of Pat liisazent. , Sir, at the time of the dissolulion of Lord Liserpot.l's Administration. the Director. of the Grar.d Causal Company. and Alf. Lam bert, the proprietor of .the town of K•lbeggass, appiied to the Lord Lieutenant for an advance of money until the Consolidated Fund, for making arrl•Esbrairch front the Gs and Canal to the town of K.lbeggan, I g t *inti mation oh the application, and addiessed.a letter in cone siquence to Lord AlelbOarne, the then Secietary Ireland, stating, amongst other grounds of. orjection, that the lifits sec. of the 40th Geo. 111. had not lion complied with, which enacts "tli . t inlaid shall be given .out • f any public moi.ey, fcr completing. &c. Sic.. any canal, unless the scheme be first laid before' the Ditec. tors of Inland Navigation," &c. &c. After some cor respondence, it- was determined to submit the plan to the Boasd of Inland Navigation, who, after a - tninute inquiry on oath into all the circunes ance . ..re, ()fled 4 4 that this olf-brancli would be injurious to nested and long-established rights, and that they ..cocaequently could not sanctiou it." • The measure seas.!tn 'conse quence abandoned, and great was the' surprise if t. e Royal Canal Company, itt the summer of 11128, to d.o.-