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,charged was nearly double, amounting to £133,000. In the year following that it amounted to 6136,000. In 1807, to £124,000. in 1808, to £95,000. They had nothing to enable them to judge of the cause of this deCrease, mote than of the preceding and suc ceeding'inOrease. In 1809, it was £149,000. In 1810, tt was £llB,OOO, and last year it fell again to SBlOl,OOO. With respect to the department of the APPEALS. I Master of the Horse, without knowing who superin . The LORD CHANCFLLOR moved, thtt the ae Appeal tended, he mast pay, that that officer appeared to him Causes in which ihe cazes had not been printed according to the to hav e conducted himself extremely well, and not to enderof the House, nor any petition presented for longer time, ' , . any inquiry necessary. The next ar should be referred Tto a Committee. his being agreed to, his have rendered Lordship gave notice that he would to-merraw nit noon the time tide was that of Special Service and Royal Bounty. .Ivben he wished this Committ-e to sit. The estimate in 1804 was XlO,OOO for this depart ,tt person from the . Stamp-cflice yresinted an account of the ment. In the year following that, the charge was 'nnteper of Promissory votes stamped in the years Iso9, 10, 11, at . £ll,OOO, and next year £so,ooo,leaying every year maned for by Lord Lauderdale.—Laid on the table. BATTLE OF ALBUERA. 'an excess far above the estimate of 1801. He corn- The LORD CHANCELLOR read a translation of a fetter plained also of the same increase of the extraordinary trona the SpariA General Blake to Lord Wellington in answer di s bu rs em ents o f F ore i gn Mi n i sters , t h oug h t h e or di. to otte- sent laid . by his Lordship, c. , mmunicatioe. • the vote of nary expenditure of that department was diminishing thanks passed by the two Houses of Parliament to the Spanish oScers an't troops engaged in the Battle of Albacra. 'I his Itt- yearly. The present to Fcireign Ministers was, in ttr bad been transmitted to him (the Lord-Chancellor) by Lord 1804, only £lO,OOO, and yet this last year this charge . . Wellington. ' amounted to no less than 633,000, though the num [General Blake's letter expressed the high sense which he had ber of Foreign Ministers had much elimin'slied.— ot the honour done to the Spani:h troops by this vote, Jro whic h M At fek the ere grateful, as it wculd show the common enemy These were circumstances that required explanation. .he great estimation in which the two nations were held by each He concluded by proposing to move for these Ac (Mier. He hoped their union wouk: be pit-manna. It was as counts in detail, wishing to hive stated all the sums .oclitional grat.kation, be said, that th.se thanks had been corn- in the Lord Chamberlain's department above £2OO, municated through the medium cf such a distinguished tulfitufy - thar.ecter a,sLortl Wellin g to:ll for the ' greater conveniency ; when the SPEAKER STATE or IRELAND. .: reminded him of the necessity of disposing of the pre. L , ord GRENVILLE caged to the recollection of the House, vions question, that the Bill be read a second dine. that he Lad bef ,re postpond the noflce for bringlog undek shag t On , the-qufscioo being accordingly put, ionsideradoil the State of Ireland. It, was with extrenfe reluo. 1 'rho CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER tatter, that he now proposed a fartheirtetponentent.. rbe sea-; son was knerivn to all their Lori!ships. It was on mount of a, observed, that the Right Hon. Gentleman's motion domestic eaLmity (the death of the son of Lord G e orge emu_ was of such a nature as to by made at any time, and eq4h), in which his Noble Friend who was to intri?duee this sub- not nttessarily connected with the present Bill. He feet took a great par-, He moved, therefore, that the-order for wished to have the Bill committed cut Friday, ansi summoning the goisse shoal be postponed trona Friday first to for that purpose it might he read a second time on' ,Way stfnntht. Or red.—Adjourned. k Thursday. Hb saw no occasion for delay on account trous2 ON COMMONS. i of the Right Hon. Gentleman's motion. Foy his own ' 24r. GILES presented a petition from the straw•liat-maker, or ; part, he had not the slightest objection to the produc. Sr. Albans, complaining that half their market was supplied by . tion of the Accounts referred to, but thought that, the French prisoners to this cceantry, and praying relief atom Parliame'in.—Ordered to lie on the table. I instead of £2OO and upwards, all the sums of £5OO Mr. W-11 . 113READ `resented a petition from several of the and upwards, in the Lord Chamberlain's department, Renters a Old Drery-lane Thee re , praying that the Act of last would sufficiently meet the object of the Right Hon. kession, with r:rpect to them, might be extended.. The pi tition Gentleman. He thought it necessary to inake one *as ordered to be printed, and, upon the motion of Mr.Wlpt- . • • b read, Peferred to a Committee. i observation respecting the great excess of the year Mr. ABERCROMIW asked !caw to postpone a notice'of sino. immediately succeeding the estimates of 1804. The ilon given by :'ir John Newport, for this day, to I hursday. '1 he pending expense might be taken into the following noticirrelatd to the rxernomn of advertis, merits tor Cliaritable year, and might create that excess, as the years suc- Doaatiptisfroin paying Duty.—Ltave gietri. ceeding appeared to have diminished.' 'ME KING'S 11()UsEHOLD. ' Mi. TIERNEY still contended, that, before en- The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER taing into any discussion cn the merits of the Bill, moved, that it be given as an losouction to tlieCom. it was necessary they should understand the sabject, mitten appointed under the Act for arranging his and; ft r that purpose, ought to have the accounts be- Majesty's Household, to make certain provisions in fore them. The Bill might in the mean time be corn. the. said Bill for separating a certain sum from the mated pro forma, and the several salaries fixed. 1 - 14: Civil List fir the service of the King and Queen. . I did not approve of the Vice-Chamberlain being al)- . Mr. FREEMANTLE, on the question beiqg put,' pointed to both establishments, a', it he shauld be expressed his disapprobation ef the practice of apply- 'sot he did not think a new salary necessary. lug specific sums' to particular departments, as con- 1 ' Th e ' C H ANC E LLOR o f the EXCHEQUER Crary to Pailimientary usage, as far as respected the observed, that it would remain for the discussion of r iviL List. Whatever sums were voted should go ge- the Comnritt:e, whether all or what Officers of the rrerally to the Civil List, and not for any particular Household would be transferred. He saw no occa-, ,department of it. Such a practice was contrary to . sion for delaying the 8,11 on account oi the Right i .the principle of the Civil List Act, ! Hon. Gentleman's mition, having little doubt that ' The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER •h e wou ld b e a bl e to l ay t h e accounts b e t ide the Home yeas afridd he had peen misconceived ,by thp lion., to-morrow. , Gentleman . Ile made the motion, not for the proms ; Mr. 'TIERNEY observed, that he himself should . g applying any specific sum t i any particular de- be • prepared on the day mentioned tp meet the discus partment or the Civil List, but for the purpose of se, elan, but did not know if (Alter. Members would be gloating from the Civil List the x.lOO ,dOO that hid equally prepared to make a far compat ken, without been voted by the Howe for the special service of the having time to peruse the papers. King and Queer. 1 . . After sonic farther Conversatioo, in which the pro, - • • Mr. FREEMANTLE e7pressed his satisfaction priety of putting off the moionrc , pecting the Roman with the Right - Hon. Gentleman's exolariatii ii. i Catholic question was suggested, as a similar motion '• • The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER ; had been put off a week in another place, the second . . .. thin brought in the Bill" referred to, for the ewe ex... reading of the Bill wits carried, and toted for Friday, rangetnlnt and hater regulation of Iris Majesty's and the Committee for Monday next. The Bill was . 'Household, which was read a first time. ' ordered to be printed. On the queition being put for its sec end readily., i' Mr. TIERNEY then moved that there be laid be *. TIERNEY complained that the Right Ho- fore the Noose an Accottilt of the Expenditure in the' Pourable Gentleman was calling on them to legislate ; LoN Steward's departrocat, under the several heads,. in the dark. Before they could give any rote respect- front the .sth of Jul ; 1604, to the sth i fJuly, 1811, ng the Civil List, it was necessary they should know 'distitiguiailing each year; which was ordered accor the state the Civil List was in, otherwise they st.ould , dingiy., vote a sum of which they knew nut the pampa,— i gimilar accounts were also ordered respecting the The excess of the Civil List htd been gradually in-; department of the Lord Chamberlain, the extraordi reasit, since 1804, to such a degree, that it 44 : nary disbursements and presents to f reign Ministers, increased on an average, during the ist seven years, i andthe application of the special service and Royal pot less than RI 27,000. Betore they could sanction 11,louner money, which, he hoped, was not applied to i Bill, amount a 4 in reality to a new arraogement cif : secret services, that money w as voted anotially by the Civil List, they ought tp understand the n nitre I Parliament. !sod amt3ont of that L`!..t. They were no longer to ,_.• consider the Civil List as a sum estimated at Xtr9,ooQ, ' but, in speaking; of it, ors ht to know that it anitiont. id to £12;,000 more. wished to see a Commit tee appointed to inquire into the state of the Civil List, before coming to aay new arrangement. ' He by no mans wi;he3 to embarrast the proceedings of the House on this snbject, or to cause any tinneees lary dcl by ; but it would be only fair to' have such rapers lads' before the House as would put - hem in. posreslioli of the information they wanted, and lip frosted. the Right Hon. Gent/orlon would mahe, Po Objection to so reasonable a proposition. • roe Mot e , • self, the information he wanted was no great ohjeit,.' but there might be others iq the House who had not 1 tlte slime means of being informed. Thel'apeist he wished to move fpr, and in moving for Which he I lived he shouldhave the Right Honourable. Gentle? , rum's assistance in so expressing himself as post.l offectusllly to gain hi; object, were an Abstract of the . "Amount of the Estimate's aqd Charges on the Civil l e ipt ist-1804, and in each successive year respectively to 1811. In 1804 the sum of 47+,000 was thought sufficient for the bills and &vies in the Lord Stew ard's*dcpartment.' It wai rather singular, however, that notbrithstandiog this estimate, which was by no "seeatts made hast4y, the charges in the very next 'year amounted hallo less a sum than £129,000.-He did not sal that tl is was too much ; but in order to 1 eimvirice the House that it was not so; they were en- ' ' titled to have the necessary 'documents before them. --4. est, year the same department amounted to 4115,000. - When this sum nips solar above the es timate cf 1804, some iqformatton was surely neces sary. It was : - entleted still more by reports abroad of great abuses in' that department, and which came from a qua,ter that Sufficiently justifiedhim in call iiig for such information, that they might know the . Causes of such extraordinary excess. A similar ill. crease Wad taken place in theTradcamen's bills in the Lord Chamberlain's department. Mr. Pitt's estimate of £65,000 was thought quite suiLeient in July 1804. ..fin July, of the following year, however, the sum PiIItLIAMENTifRr PROCEEDINGS. . HOUSE OF LORDS, JANUARY 110. POPULATION. Lord WAI.SINGHAM 'moved ,for an Account e the com parative Population of Great Britain in the yeats 1201 and 1811. Ordered. REGENCY ENPENCES. The House then wont into a Committee r.f Supply, to which were referred the Accounts presented to the . House on Saturday last. • Mr. Lvsnixo.coN having taken the Chair, The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER moved, that a sum be voted, not exceeding £lOO,OOO for defraying the extraordinary expences of assuming the exercise of the Royal Authority by the Prince Regent. Mr. TIERNEY felt that, however delicate the question might arpeat, yet it was a broad duty tilAed to the House, to the couqtry, and to his con ' vituents, to Oppose this proposition, as infttitt by the Right Hon. Gentleman. It was a strong meature to edit on li:loi:intent for an outfit for the Regency. Not so much would be expected for the Monarch. This call too vas mzd. uron ti:ern wiCiont having any act of appropriation laid L, fore Parliament. The Regent at the sane time, he aektiowledgeJ, had been ex posed to great cxpences, and if tie vote were to be put on this footing he would have no objection to it. It was to the words e.f the motion he particularly obr jected ; calculated, in his opinion, to-form a bail and unparliamentary precedent. They were not even told the object t f this vote. If the Right Hon. Gen. thman, however, would word his motion otherwise he should not oppose it. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER. stated, that he intended the Vote to operate both prospectively and retrospectively, to cover the expen. ces both of the temporary and more permanent Re.: gency. With respect to the Monaich, the case was very different, as he had the contront of thd Crown I Revenues and the Civil List. The comparison, there fore, Was by no means applicable. le thonght the words ofihe motion were sufficiently expressive of, _ its object. Mr. TIERNEY contended,that the Parliamentary mode of proceeding would be for Ministers to advise' the Prince kegent to send a Message down to the House, explaining flip object, and not for the House to take et on itself to vote this sum without a Par liamentary ground. The Prince had at first de -1 dared in the most liberal manner, that no additional est tblishment woull be necessary ; but should be tell them now, that the expences were grzatcr than he expected, the House would no doubt be liberal. This he considered necessary to constitute a Parlia ment iry ground for such a vote. Should the Right Rm. Gentleman, however, withdraw his motion till Wedneiday, that he might word it better, he pledged himself to vote with him. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER then amended his motion, by introducing after ex peaces, the word " That have been or m.ty bn in curred, &c." Mr. WHITBREAD declared, that before con senting to any vote of this kind, he must Lave Par liamentary grounds for it, and for this reason it was necessary to have it before the House in the form of a Message. Opposition on such a sujt•ct mig'q ap pear invidious, but till he was satisfied as to the grounds of proceeding, he would oppose The declaration of kis Royal Highness was well known, • and it did him the greatest credit titat no additional expence was necessary, and the Message, he believed, was brought by the Right Hon. Gentleman himself. They were now called on, however, by the same Right Hon. Gentleman, to vote f •r expences which his Royal Highness did'not think necessary. This sum, it seemed, was to cover the expences of both Regen cies ; but how could they tell how t!. sum was to be divided ? What were the expellees? Where was the visible splen lour during the restrictions ? They should not proceed to any pecuniary vote of this kind, till regularly informed that his Royal Highnesi wAtitcd money, and what money he wanted It was art enough to have the Right Hon. Gentleman's word 1 for this fact. _ _ _ with peculiar delicacy, trusting that Parli'tment amid make su ffi cient provision for the King. They ough t to prevent his Royal Highness from being under necessity of stating his wants, or of laying an e st i. mate before them of an erpence that all ackn ow .. ledged he must have incurred. Had the sum be en thought too Much, t! ere might have been room fa r objection ; hut as all who had spoken on the subje ct admitted that the sum was not mr re than necesu ry what ground was there for an) reasonable opposition'? - 1 he Qucsticn was then put and curie', After some miscellaneous Estiznates were voted oe the Motioti of Mr. WIIARTON, the Hcuse resonv 1 when the Report was ordered to bereceived to-tnoirow: The Distillgry Bill was read a second time, a c d ordered to be committed to-nacarow.—Adjoutned. DISTILLERIES. gesolutions moved by Mr. PaficavaL, and age to, in the House of Commors, on Tuesday night c~ 1. That hi 3 the opal* of thisCumtnittee, that from g. ter the Ist day of February, 1818, and un•il .I.e :;lit of 1). causally. 1812, no worts er wall) fur di,gillation in any part of Great 4e,. tain iliall be relde or brevrLd frum eats, barley, or any other cam or grain, or ft u..t ntvt, Cour, r r brae, or st y mature with tL e same; nor shall ivy worns or wab, winch shall hare br a n mo t or brewed frons eats, barley, or any other cora or grain, c,r tram malt, flour, or bran, or any oth• r m•:tura with the same, in l ey part of Great Ilti*.ain, be distilled after the 1 rath day of IttAti. 2. That ft is tSo opinion of this C invn,ittee, that it slug lawful fur his Majesty, ty Prociamstion, at spy :ate alts tbe Ist day of October, 18: 2, if in his toy at discretion be shall jag, it to lat. fur the benefit and ad:at:cage of this kingdom, either% terminate rt.ch jrahib.uor. for a time to be specified, nut hsitlah 3e days from the gate of the sa Proclamation, or Wilber costa. Van, at front the 114 31st day of Decera:aer, until 30 slay' aatr the neat t.tc.ttng of Parliament._ 3. •I hat it is t! opirfon or this Cnirtnittre, tliat dming eel pi r 134 in which the u,s illatitin of spirits frem corn or pun in Great liritain shall be ?rub bited, the duties on warts or wadi matte i.t Great br.t do Ivr extracting spirits, and Use duties oh hp ) . ri; s made its Gi cat Britain, a!3l on spirits made is Ireland and port• el into Great Britain, and the thit'.ea on, licences on th e e , 4 tent or capiciti of s:llisuseil in Scotland for making low wine. Of . . _ Mr. Secretary RYDER said, that at the period al luded to of the Trince's declaration of any additional establishment being unnecessary, it was well known that it was expected that his Majesty's lines would only have been temporary. In this expectation bis Royal Highness had made that declaration so credit able to his feelings. The case, however, now was very different, the Regency having subsisted above a year, and con ideralne expence-must of course have been incurred, th , u2ll no appointment may have taken place. The more delicate mode of proceeding was that now proposed. Mr. AD AM contended, that his Royal Highness the Prince Regent stood in dvery different situation no.v from that in which he stood .at first; and, lie was convinced, if he szood in the same way now his conduct would still be thy same. It was not for the' House to ask, but to give ; and it was ;:ompetent, he contended, for Parliament to originate a measure of this nature. His Royal Highness had discharged the duties of the Regent fur :1 year, and must have in curred an expence too great for his former establish ment. He must have incurred much expence winch , could not well he made the subject of estimate, but might very well become the subject of the bounty. of that House. As now worded the motion ought to pass. Had bis Royal Highness become Sovereigi instead of Regent, there would have been mom for an arrangement like that at the beginning of the pre sent reign, and he might have called on them to re view the Civil List. At present he had no such p.iwer to make arrangemirs, being (if he might use that lexpression without any indignity) only a sort of sti. i pendiary, having a fixed income, and in this situation is called on to take on himself the duties of the Sove reign. He (Mr. Adam) did his duty to his country and his constituents in coming forward to indemnify the Prince Regent for thos,: expences he might have' 1• incurred in coining forward at the call of Parliament 1 and the Country to undertake those arduous func tions width the exigencies of the times required, 211 d not waiting till he was told what in justice v.as due to the Prince. , spni s, and also the duties oo spirits manufacture :1 jn Engtasi and brought from thence int.) Scotland, and on spirits mole la Scotland and import. d into England, and the rfspecttve draw. backs on the exportation of such 'pints, shall be au-petrel...l. 4. That it is the opinion of this Consmiu •e, that during sod; suspension, there be charged for every gallon of wort or wasi brewed or made for extracting spirits in England, for home consumption, from sugar, pn Excise duty of one shillittg sag e'glopt-nce. 5. that it is the opinion of this Committee, that during qua suspension, there he choicest for every gallon , . English wine nprasur,t, or wort nr wash, brewed or made from sugar, for ea tmcriog spirits in the Lowlands of Scotland. for consumptiookk Scotland, an Excise duty of eightpence farthing, 6. That it is the opinion ot this Committee, that during ses4 suspension, there be ctia ged for every gallon, English wine mss :sure, of spirits„ of the strength of one to ten over hydrometer proof, and so in proporti4n lur every higher or lower degree of strength, w! ich shad be made or distilled its tle Low!anis of Seotlatd, for consecaptian in JCOttaxyl. not mere& g thv !mita of gallons of spirits limited and restricted to be des died by s from each still to be paid over And above the duty on the 1 ON or content of the still, and the duty on the wort Cr. wash hum which such spirits may be made or distilled, an Excise duty et Seeps-nee. 7. That it is the orin'on of this Committee, that, during mck suspension, there be chat ged for every gallon, Erghsla wine me. sure, of the cubical content or capacity of each and every still, ,ncluding the head and every pan thereof, and of any horn, pip, vibe, or other apparatus therewith connected, order whateva name or denomination the same may be called or known, each as the steam can ascend, and until the top e f the head Mai turn downwards, and form an angle of 45 degrees, oth!ch elefl be used or employed for the purpose of makisc. or .litteling tovi wines or spirits from sugar, in tLe Loy/lards of Scotism% for um' sumption in Scotland, an Excise duty of £l6O. 8. That it i 4 the opinion of this Committee, that, durng sock suspension, there be charged for every gallon : English w.t:e mu. sure, of wort or wash, brewed or made from so, ar, for extract ing spirits in the Highlands of Scosland, (or c nsumption iu the sad Highlon.ls, an Exst.se duty of sevett-pence. 9. 1 :.at It is the opinion of this Cot' m tire, that dt.r.ng such suspension, there be charged for every gallon, English wine men. sate, ot spirits, of the stiet.gth of cue yo ten ewer hydiompat ;roof, au,. so in pro-, ort.ion Lot any higher Or lower of strength, witch shall be nude or divide.' in the Highlantis uf Scotland, for consumption in the said li-gtiland-, not exceed% the t umber of gallons of spirits limited and restricted to he al t• tilltd, by or from each still, to be paid over and above the duty on die licence or content of the still, and the duty on the wort or wash front which suchopiret may be made or distinct', an Est se duty of Sd. 10. Tkat it is the opinion of this Committee, that, during such a suspension, there be charged 11w every gallon, Englies w.ne measure, ot the conical emit , nt or capacity of each sad every still, including the had anti every part thereof, and at any horn, pipe, tube, or ether appro.. its tiot trW.Ol COlritt a t ai l Under whatever came or deism na, ion the same may be c or hr.ovt n, a high a , tie steam can ascend, and ue t 1 the tape the head shall turn dowitoarls, sod form an angle of 4S degrees, which shalt be used or employed tor tie hurl Per of makuit ar ait . ‘ l ip u n g l i o o w n In the salil aiin wires, irts- ,curfrii ;;;l iu dd a t s ht a l- Eriwu lilgh.4n'•.ai/ of tlsclt:•Ddi Get c .iti il. hat it is the op pion cat this Committee, to* such suspension, there be charged f r every gallon, Eugl.sls was measiers-, of spitits of a strength not exceeding that of one to tea over hydrometer proof, and so in proportion for any higher de gree of streegth, made or distilled f. out corn or grain in England,' and imported Cr b. - ought from thence into Scotland, see Ewa duty ot Ss, 3d. • 12. That it Is the opinion of this Committee, that during sec! suspension, there be charged for every gallon, English wine moo sure, of spirits whtch .hail be found iit the stock, custody, or Pos' session, of any distiller of spit its in Scotland, tor ezpomtioo to England, of a strength not exceeding t hat of one to ten over br drimeter rrott, made or distilled trues corn or grids In Scralads and imported or brought from titian; into Englaltd. au E 2l ' duty of 9s. 54d. n. That it is the opinion of this Committee, that do r* 444 suspension, there be charged for every gallon tigliste who MA' sure, of all such spirits as last aforesaid, of a greater strrogth Lbw teat of one to up over hydrometer proof, and not exceeding three per centum over and above the -tret-gtli of one to tco over hydra, hitter posuf, an excise duty of 9s Lip. and also a farther ells!, duty proportioned to the degree of r rmgth in whirl suck spite shall exceed the said strength of 1 to 10 oyes hydrometer peat 14. That it is the opinion of thus Cosunittor, that dedlll such suspension, there Le charged, for every gallon Eogtiali wars Me/. C. 01 spirits, of the strength not exceeding that of WM 10 . ten over hy.litoineter proof, and so in propottino toe any degree ot strength made or &stilled in Lugland front sugar. of, imported or brought from thence into' Scotland, as excies dew cis. 15. That it is the opinion of this Committee, that. &MB suspension, there be charged (or every gangs. English wises oar sure, of spirits, of a strength not exceeding that of telleZ hydrometer proof, made or distilled In Scotland, heft mgr. . imported and brought from thence into England, an facto . . of seven elaillings and eleven-peace farddeg. 16. That It Is the-opinion of this Committee, that, dm* ler 6 suspension, there be coarged for every galloo,En lop mse• sure, of all such spirits as last aforesaid, of a greatstalgreerb tr of one to ten over hydrometer proof, and not . per centum over and above the strength of ono t on ter proof, an Excise duty of seven shillings and e thing, and also a further Excise duty proloowi 4: 0 ;r 1/ 7.• of strength in which such spirits shah exbeed the said 00e to ten over hydrometer proof. 17. That it I. the opinion of Comtnitte= 1 1 arpenaion, there be charged upon alt rum, vita, or strong waters ( except rum of the produce at plantations) imported imported into Gnat Britain, and for 160 wel. the chargeable thereon shall not hare been paid on the 1 of januttry, 161 it, or importod after tbat day, an of twelve pounds ten 'dishing, per centum upon the amolint of the several duties of excise imposed for or is tlia•a4 by any Act or Acts of Parliament now tUftwea Mr. HURST conceived, that the vote proposed was not to be considered as a bounty from the House, but as a debt due to his Royal Highness. He would therefore give his support to the motion. Mr, WEI IT B It EA) observed, that he could not be scent after what had fallen from his Learned Friend on the same bench (Mr. Adam) and his Hon. Friend behind him (Me. Horst), It WAS not the grant he objected to, but the manner of voting it. It had always been the usual way cf having i•resious infor rnatiim from the tiovereign power, :it hist, when the restricted Regency WAS conferred on his Royal Highness, the Right Hon. Gentleman brought a Message that no additional expence was wanted, which accordingly became t!;e ground of proceeding on the part of the House. N:Av, however, that Right Hon. Gentleman denied that any such biessage was necessary, and conceiyed his own authority to be suf ficient. Had they the information in the proper way, he would be the first to give les assent, but having no such information he could not vote for this Mu.; tion. There was great irregularity in the proceeding, which was a violation of Pariiamentary usage, and not doing justice to his. Royal Highness himself, as -lie had before told them that it was not his wish to impose any new burdens on the people. He by no means said the sum was too much ; but how did they know whether or not it was enough? It was now more necessary than before to have a communication,' and till they had that communication, he, fcr one, should not give his consent. Mr. TILRNEY observed, that having said he should not oppose the Motion, if the Right Hon. Gentleman should alter the words to a less esception , able form, he would keep his promise, and give him his vote ; but the proceeding, he was convinced, was irregular. In the Speech addressed to Parliament, there was only mention made of providing for the King in his present state, and for his return to the exercise of Sovereign , as soon as his circumstances i might permit t. He saw no reason whylis Royal Highness should not send a Message to the House, stating the necessity of giving him power to assume, in a becoming manner, the dignity of the Sovereign, and of taking into consideration the former wens; !he has incurred. ' The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER did nct claim the fulfilment of the Right Hon. Gentle man's pledge ; but, though glad of his vote, left him still at liberty to act as he pleased. It would not be Parliamentary, he contended, to send down a Me:. sage on the subject. The only Parliamentary way of doing so would have heen to have made it form a part of the Speech, and there, in fact, it was implied. if not directly expressed, having required every think that the exigencies of the times demanded, and theal