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. . HOUSE OP LORDS. NOVEMBER 10. ; COMMITTEE OF SUPPLY. • PiIRLIdMEIVTiRi PROCEEDINGS, The House met et ten o'clock and heard and decided three saints, Ist, Watt v. Paterson. Ronit.tr and Notatt for Ap pellant; Anaaa and timings,. for Respondent. Tills was* ques tion of right to -e.ertain Lands, in a ease et division of common. The appellant partly rested his exclusive tight to the around in qeestion upon its having been, forty years ago, ploughed once by his tenant. I:he LORD CHANCELLOR said, that If there were tipbse quent continued acts or poesession by others, the circumstance relied upon was not full evidence of the exclusive right. If his tenant happened'to plough up a piece of ground, without inter ruption, from other commoners, because it was not worth while to interrupt, the ground, perhaps, not being worth what in that eonutry they ealleda Armin; and yet afterwards, others turned their cattle upon the same ground, ind filet with no interruption, Li* forty year"; surely the ploughing of his tenant could not be aufkient evidence of exclusive right. • • In the case of Graham and Keeble (question respecting the lia bilitj of en executor) ADAM and PARX appeared for the appel • Rossitts and Hoarier( for respondent—ln that of Stewart and Hail, NOLAN and #DAIt, jun. for appellant, ABBOTT and 8ic: 41( 914M for respoedent, (case of liability of owners for re pairs &we to a chip) 'ln all these rases the judgments of tlircourt below were affirmed.—Adjourned. HOUSE OF COM-MONS. Leave was given to bring in the Annual Indemnity Bill. Mr. AR BIYI IiNOT brought'up sundry papers, and gave no tice that he should move to refer them to the Committee of Sup. ply on Friday. Ordered to he on the table. Lord CASTLEREAGH brought up the Supplementary Con vention between Great Britain and Russia, signed June 15, 1813 and between Great Britain and Prussia, signadJune 14. 18t3 and subsequently signed in London in September, let 3. Order ed to lie on the table. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER brought up the Local Token Bill, which was read the first time. Mr. BANKES brought up a BiU for securing the Freedom of Election in the Borough of He',stone, which was read the first time, and ordered td be read the second time on Wcdoewitty, after s une ohservations from Mr. Swag against harrying the measure. Mr. BANKRS brought up a Bill for continuing the Act re. specting Grants of Offices. Rtad the first time, and ordered to be read the second time on Wedne,day. After a few observations from Mr, W, KEENE, the CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER, and Lord CASTLR• EEAGLI, My. W. DUNDAS rose, to move for the number of seamen for the ensuing year. He observed, that the naval erpences had exceeded in two branches-- that of victualling, and that of wear and tear; which last was imputable to the extended nature of the ser vice on which our navy had been engaged. He moved, that 140,000 seamen be employed for the service of the ensuing year, and 31,000 marines. Mr. A. BARING, considering the numerous, but he believed necessary expenses, which the state of af fairs imposed on the country, was surprised that no relief was to be afforded from the naval service ; but that, on the contrary, there was an excess in that de partment. It was with regret that he found this mo tion made at so very early a period of the session for the service of 1814. He would not prejudge on the necessity of the vote; but, in the present unsettled state of affairs, he could see no necessity for urging it immediately. Looking at the map of Eur. , pe, and considering what our navy had at present to do, he could not conceive the necessity for so large an ar mament. In France, he observed,. that according to the press‘;re of circumstances, some branches of pub lic expenditure were so proportioned as to assist the necessary demands incurred by others, which were of a more' exigent nature ; whereas we continued to keep up full chaxges in all branches, as it'appeared 'to him, unnecessarily. For years past, we had had nothing like a formidable enemy at sea; and at the period of the battle of Tratalgar we had 10,000 sea men less than now. We had, a few years ago, all the ports of the Peninsula against us, and we had the Baltic to guard, besides our own operations against enemies' colonies. There was now a considerable prospect of our clearing the ports of Holland. He would venture to say, there was no man with tolera hle information, who followed up the conduct of our Naval Administration for the last year, but must be surprised at the little that had been done effectually on the North American coast. On that subject, he should not then enter particularly but juJging from the use made of our great navy last year, he saw no reason for giving to the Admiralty such great means. —American frigates had been suffered to go out of, and to come into their own ports with ease. At one time we had no less than thirty or forty sail of vessels collected in the Chesapeake, a harbour which those who knew it knew the practicability of blockading. These thirty or forty ships were kept there amusing themselves, or rather losering the character of the British Navy, burning houses and sheds, and doing, politically, much injury. A third part of the force, properly applied, might have been sufficient to bloc kade the American ports. He next adverted to our little naval war on the Lakes, and observed that the contest in that part of America was essential!y a na val war on those Lakes. He believed that many ex cellent officers had been appointed to commaoils in that war; but yet he believed the fact to be, that we were driven from Lake Erie, and were not in a corn manning situation in Lake Ontario. The gallant Officer, Sir J. Yeo, had not been furnished with such a force as, he should suppose; he would have desired. He should lay no farther stress on these points at prescnt,'but wished to lay them before the considera tion of the House. Mr. W. DUNDAS thought that it would have been more becoming in the Hon. Gentleman to have abstained from these remarks, and to have deferred this preface of disgrace till he had thought proper to take a more regular notice of the subject. He, for one, would answer, that whenever a motion was brought forward, he s:sould be able to prove that the conduct of the Admiralty had been neither negligent nor disgraceful. Itll the truth was made clear, it would net be the assertions :if e Hon. Member, however respectable he might be, that would crimi• nate the conduct of our naval affairs. He had better have spared that part of his observations, on that oc casion, which tended to make an unjust and premature impression on the mind of the House. If this motion had not now been made, it would indeed have been negligence ; fur it bad been made exactly in the osua way, and at the usual time of the Session. With equal happiness had he asked, why, in our present prospects, slit old 140,000 men be employed ? In this he, in fact, answered himself: for what had pro.' duced all our safety—what had sealed tip the ports of the enemy, but ci - ur great naval fora ? Was th time so certainly arrived that we were so secure of peace, that we hold be induced to disband a large proportion of our navy I =- Wbat better aid could France wi►h for ? To what but our navy did we owe obr security ? Whatever was voted now, the House 0£ Commons could disband the navy, according to its view of public services, when they pleased. Who now , counselled the wisest—the Hon. Member who said " Let down your navy," or himself, who said" Keep• it up r. By recent accounts there were 25 or 26 sail of the line at Toulon, 27 sail of the line in the Scheidt, besides the fleets at Brest, Cherbourg, in the Texel, and in the Adriatic. The Honourable Member, as a great merchant, would be among the first to cry out for our commerce, if we lowered our navy, and exposed our trade. In such an event, would not the .Toulon and Brest fleets, tempted by the rich rewards of our• traffic, come out of port ? Of all times, this seemed the very worst for reducing this main arm' of, our strength.* Lord CASTLEREAGH said, that whatever pros pects might open favourable to retrenchments in our necessary great public expenditure, the House might be assured, wouldbe readily embraced by Govern ment. In no preceding year had the difficulties at tending the due distribution of our naval forces been greater than during the last year. If we had not had the assistance of the Russian fleet, he did not believe that we could have made it effectual for all purposes. That we had no formidable enemy actually at sea, was among the number of the existing difficulties.-- The House and the country ought to know, that not. withstanding the immense pressure that had been made oa the enemy's nayal resources for many pro. ceding years, yet he had not relaxed his maritime efforts ; and that he had still fleets in most of his leading arsenals, ready for sea. He had, in fact, been accumumulating his marine forces by rapid strides. The demand on the American station had been pro digious. The Baltic had also been a great pressure on our means, in consequence of its vicinity to tary operations. We might, but for our naval exer.' Lions there, have seen, not a part, but the whole of the army of Denmark put in motion, under the direction of France. He trusted that the House would feel, that Government would not unnecessarily keep up our naval forces : if they shewed such a disposition, it was in the power of the House, at all times, to recall them to their duty. The numbers of seamen now actually serving, approached very closely to the vote now proposed, which was precisely the same as, the last, and brought forward at the sense period of the Session. Whenever, under all the circumstances, which engaged us with our Allies, or concerned outs operations in the Peninsula, retrenchments would be justifiable, he trusted that Ministers would vigilantly turn their attention to every practicable and wi e means of reduction. But Parliament would recollect, that it was our duty to proceed with prudence and foresight. If we suddenly disbanded, it would not be so easy a task, on an emergency, to recall our seamen to the naval force of the country. He was not now prejudging retrenchments; but merely voting for the usual provision. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER would say a single word on the subject of reduction, in consequence of the accommodation of the different branches of his expenditure by the enemy. He thought, the Hon. Member had been better informed respect. ing the state of the French finances, than to have made this assertion. His opinions might be correct. ed. by adverirg to the published statements of them. It was quite clear, in this view, that France had not lost sight of her marine, nor had neglected any means of supporting it. All that we now proposed, was to maintain our marine at the same rate as before, should, it be necessary. At any time previous to the Ap. propriation Act, the House had "it in its power to make such alterations as it saw fitting. Mr. A. BARING said, with respect to the point of time, that the House very seldom sat so early as they did thitSession. The motion might have been postponed till the matter was better understood. The 30 or 40 vessels in the Chesapeake which he had alluded to, had disgraced the country by their ineffec tiveness, or rather by their injurious mode of wart All the arguments used on the opposite side, would apply as well to the extension of our naval force to 150,000 seamen. Surely the fleet in the Scheldt could not be in a state of such perfect readiness for sea; and he doubted much whether that at Toulon was. The question with him was, whether, at t, greater exertions could not be made by landol li gh retrenchments at sea ? Next year he thought that France could not be able to do much at sea ; all her resources would be wanted to meet her dangers by I land. Our means should be directed to great ends,; , and not frittered away. Mr. CR OKER row and stated, that not long ago ' the French fleet in the mouth of the Scheldt amounted to 16 sail of the line, in all appearance ready for ser vice. In the Texel there were not less than five, sometimes ten, in the same condition of preparation. Although some might believe that the enemy had withdrawn many of his seamen from his fleets, yet it would have been an improper confidence on the part of Government, on a public rumour, so to reduce our armaments as to permit them, so near to our own coasts, to move about, insufficiently watched and guarded. The Hon. Member's opinion concerning the Toulon fleet was monstrous; since it was but re cently that the Government was accused of neglect in that quarter; of having a naval force inferior to that of the enemy ; particularly on the occasion of L'Emeriau's once coming out to sea, and returning to harbour. Did not an enemy's force of 50 sail of the line require watching ? If the Admiralty were the victims of those illusions of the Hon. Member, they would indeed become liable to reproach. As to the time et which the motion was now made, it became necessary to make it in the last month of the last year's expenditure. It was also necessary that our brave seamen should be paid, and fed-- but then it might be said, I' put it off till ,January." Why, the necessity of this motion washmong the 'other important reasons why Parliament was assem bled so soon this Session ! But all that was now in tended or proposed was to vote one half of what was wanted. All the civil part of the naval expenditure, new buildings, repairs, end other items, on which a difference of opinion might fairly arise, were kept ;)aek for the period of the Ordinary Estimates three or four months hence. Government might have 4dopted anther mode by proposing a rateable sum, 'or a few months' expenditure; but they had not acne so, because they must then • have forced upon he House, at that early period, the whole affairs of the Naval Department, tb be printed and voted. It was I much ask a., foe smote] eared neratatt fir die roast doer the expesehrtiftair ships ado* at Bei ; leaving all the rest for future consideration and discussion. Whenever the Hon. Member slava think proper to move any propositions on this inforset.l he should base , as far as his (Mr. Croker'S) humble abilities went, every assistance in his power to afford him ; being confidant that an enquiry- would re dound to the credit of the Ad miralty , and prove the Honourable Member com pletelymisinformed.— He could not tell why Sir John Warren had thirty pennants in the Chesapeake, but the Hon. Member , might be a better Admiral than Sir John Warren. ' That Admiralwas responsible for his conduct. He had done what he had thought proper in his situation. With 120 pennants, he might have had 30 in the Chesapeake; he did not know be had, and he thought be had not. He wished to put in his plea for those brave officers and men who had been blockading that coast during dreadful weather, that their characters might not be hinted a-way. He wished the officers had not been ,alluded to. The Naval Administration would be found perfectly ready to defend itself; and as to the officers, he hoped the House and the country had full confidence in them for what had they not to acknow ledge, or to expect from the tried skill, courage, and valour of British seamen,? Mr. A. DARING said, that the enemy's fleets might not require to be watched by a fleet equal to their's ; but our numerous force on the American coast had done nothing essential, and the service ape peared to have been much neglected. That was his decided opinion from all lie heard respecting it, which, had been from many quarters. Whoever Wall in fault, the navy had been neglected. It did not fol. low from what he said, that he was a good Admiral. All he pretended to say was, that the force employed had been very ill employed for its objects. Lord cAsTLEREAGH said, that this question could only be discussed fairly at a future time. It should not have been opened up now. Whatever might be thought of particulars, the general exer dons had enabled us to contend in America without any prejudice to operations in Europe. The Resolution, and the other usual ones for the respective sums; were put and carried. Report to be received to-morrow.—Adjourned. FRENCH P4IPERS. PARIS, NOVEMBER 4. Her Majesty the EMNIZSB QUEfili and REtENT has received the following accounts of the situation of the Army on the Slat October The two regiments of cuirassiers of the King of Saxony, forming part of the Ist corps of cavalry, re. mained with the French' army, When the Emperor quitted Leipsic, he caused the Duke of Vicenza to write them the subjoined letter, and sent them back to Leipsic to serve as the King's guard. is When the arvarian defection was certain, there was still a Bavaria* battalion with the army. His Majesty caused the subjoined letter to be written to the Commandant of the battalion by the Major. General. " The Emperor left Erfurt on the 25th. " Our army has operated in tranquillity its move. ment on the Mein. Arrived at Gelnhaesen, on the 29th, an enemy's crrps of 5 cr 6000 men was per. ceived, which we learnt from the prisoners was the advanced guard of the Austrian and Bavarian army. This advanced guard was repulsed, and compelled to retire. The bridge which the enemy had cut down was promptly re-established. We also learned from the prisoners, that the Austrian and Bavarian army, from 60 to 70,000 strong, coming from Brannan, had arrived at Hanau, and thought to block up the road of the French army. " On the evening of the S9th s the tiraaeurs of the enemy's advanced-guard were pushed beyond the village of Langensbolde ; and at seven in the evening the Emperor and his head-quarters were in that vil lage, at the castle of Issenbourg. 44 OD the 30th, the Emperor mounted his horse at nine in the morning ; the Duke of Tarensam advan ced with 3000 tirailkurs under the orders of General Charpenter. The cavalry of Sebauiani, General Priest's division of the guard, and the cavalry of the-, old guard followed t the rest of the army was a march behind. The enemy had placed six battalions at the village of Ruckingen, in order to intercept all the roads leading to the Rhine. Some cannon-shot and a charge of cavalry made their battalions retire with precipitation. Arrived at the skirt of a wood two league, from lianas, the tirailleurs soon en gaged. The enemy was forced Into the wood to the point of junction between the old and new road... Not being able to oppose the superiority of our in fantry, he endeavoured to avail himself of his great numbers ;he extended his fire on his right. 4 bri gade of 2000 tirailleurs of the 2cl corps, commanded by General Dubreton, was employed to check him ; and General Sebastian sauced to be executed with success, in the open part of the wood, several charges on the enemy's tisaillenti. Our 5000 tirailleurs thus kept at bay the whole enemy's army, gaining time insensibly till three in the afternoon. The artillery having arrived, the Emperor or. dered General Curial to advance at them: de charge upon the enemy with two battalions'of chasseurs, and drive them beyond the defile; General Drouet to de bouche on the, plain with 50 bieces of cannon; Nan souty with all &Mast iani's corps, and the cavalry of the old psi, to charge vigorously the enemy in the plain. " All these dispositions were exactly executed.— curial overthrew several battalions. At the mere sight of the old guard, the Austrians and Ilavarial were terrified. From•fifteen to fifty pieces of caanot were successively placed in battery, with the activit) and coolness which di s ningaish Drouet. General Nosousy adeamed 'on the right of these batted., sod vbsoged 10,000 enemy's cavalry by General ' values Major of the *ld Goads by the St. .Gesansitt division of cuirassiers, and successively by the grans, diets and dragoons of the gnards. All than chine* had a fortunate result, The enemy's cavalry was overthrown and Imbued; many squares ,of blame/ were broken ; the Austrian regiment ,Tor&s, and the Huhn: of Prince Schwartzenberg, were entirely da -1 sawed. The enemy precipitately abandoned the road of Frankfort, which he blockaded, and all the ground occupied by his left. lie retreated, and soon fell into complete route, • 41 It wa s five o'clock ; the enemy made an e ff ort on their right to disengage their left, and give time to the latter to retire. General Friant sent two bat. talons of the Old Guard to a farmhouse, situated on the old road of Henan. The enemy was driven from it, and his right compelled to retreat. Before sit in the evening he had repassed in rout the little river Kinfzig. “ The victory was complete. The enemy, lobo pee. tended to block up the whole country, was obliged to evacuate the road of Hanau and Frankfort. “ We have made 6000 prisoners, and taken several colours and pieces of cannon. The enemy had sit Generals killed . or wounded, Makes is about 100000 in killed, wounded, and prisoners I MOW only horn four to 500 killed or wounded. Ws bad engaged only about ,5600 tirailletuv, four battalions it the sad Guard, about 60 squadrons of cavalry, and 120 pieces of cannon. " At daybreak of the Slst thoosemy had retired upon Aschaffenburg. The Emperor continued hi; movement, and at three in the afternoon was a: Frankfort, " The colours taken in this battle, and those taken at Wuhan and Lelpsic, have beeen sent forward to Paris. The cuirassiers, the mounted grenadiers, the dragoons, made brilliant charges. Two squadrons of the Garda d'Nosneur of the sth regiment, com manded by Major Salucis, particularly distinguished themselves, and gave reason for presuming what may be expected from this corps next spring, when they will be perfectly organised and disciplined. 66 The General of Artillery of the Army, Nourrit, and 'General Devaux, Major of Artillery of the Guard, have merited to he distinguished ; General Letort, Major of Dragoons i 1 the Guards, although wounded in the battle of Wachau, would charge at the head of his regiment, and had his horse killed. 66 On the 51st, in the evening, the grand head quarters were at Frankfort. 64 The Doke of Treviso, with two divisions of the , young guard, and the first corps of cavalry, was at Gelnhausen. The Duke of Reggio had arrived at Frankfort. Count Bertrand and the Duke of Ra, gusa were at Hanau ; General Sebastiani was on the Nidda. *ATTU raoss TN& DOILL OF VICINZA TO TIM CAPTAIN COSI. MANDANT OF Tit' TWO REGIMENTS OF SAXON CUIRASSIERS INFLOW RD IN COUNT LATOUR MAOROOR.G . S ;OW OF CAVALRY, " Maestranstoede,netuber 19. " I hasten to inform you, M. Le Commandant, thet the Em peror atibeelles the two regimen's of Saxon Cu rutiers of the Guard and of Zeacitwiss which 4re serving in hie armies, to proceed to Leipstc; his dajessy thistang that it will Le agreeable to your good King to have dam troops of his guard near person, usda existing citetnnotemes& " General Latour Maubourg, who ialll6lltei of this dispoti tion, will afford you ail the necessary facilites, that the t2surn s. these troops may sutler oo &Musky. ihare the humour to be, &c (Signed) CMILAINCOORT, I%OkO of Vicunas. LItTTIR FROM THE mcioa-ozitimot., TO TOE LITOTIMINT4 COIANai. eosmwmagno vas 11.11V411AN TILOOTS. Erten, October 24, I E: S. a The King, your Marta, fore what the Emperor has done for him, hes declared war against France. Under sock car. cumstaaces, the Bavarian troops whilek are with rho arty intik be disused, and made prisoners of war ; but that would be coo. Crary to the confidence which toe mope under Lie orders st have in him. In consequence, Monsieur, his Majesty's imea. don is, tEar you Mould collect your bet4ben. Yon shall bare enmities given you, and four dayi pruvriens ; and you shag set et front hence to proceed by Culteerj upon Rterivrg, where you wW take your orders ban lfie Millistfr of MI )44eiti the fano, fiirerie. • • • . " It would likewise be apse' ONISIOPO to tart entlinente 4 honour gad kayalty, tint you shook. bear urns eltimet Werme. In eiessquence, Is is the Imperees staisollue yes midyear et! ems should glee vet word of honest, Was millhar m an d ei yea ' soldiers thalamus against Frame previa" to the e pa *se per. The Rebut Vise chastakh, Moor Oesetal, t SI PPO I ) "1.11'411/1 1 1.' • • PARIS, NOVP.IIIIIIA e. Private letters from Frankfort, of the 51st of Oe. taker, positively announce to es, that the Bavarians joined to the Austrian', having teit the Ins, took it position at Hamra, in she &kit of opposing she pi ne of the French army ; they weft refonssoitml, attacked, and overthrows in en instant. The French army went right throogh them, taking with it 6,000 prisoners, cannon, and Asp. This air .11. took place on the 30th. Coon tfirede ennrn inded the Allied Army. His Majesty set out the following day for Mayenee, ithere, in tact, a tereapnie dir patch announces that the Emperor arrived on the 2d, in d* marnitig. MATIDICII, NOVEMBER 4, The 6,000 prisoners which Ms Majesty made yes, terday from the Bavarian army, arrived to-day at lour P. M. The consternation which reigns in the countenances of these unfortunates, seems to re pri.ach the Sovereign Of Bavaria iot the thsioyAl .coodut which he has held towards the Monarch who placed h m Upon the throne. The advanced-guard of the army escorted tl:e Ba varians. The troops have been defiling over .he bridge of the Rhine, from eleven in the morning till eight at night. The men and horses are in good condition. The equipment and cloatbing alone have b 3