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Shillings each, foe Admission to the COLOSSEUM. prior • to Its final Completion, to view the Interim of the Building--the Rooms preparing for Annual Subscribers:-and the Conservatories i•—mai be bad at the NOSS'S' Lome of the Coulee:um; at Sams' • Library, St. James's street; Etter's, New Boot-street; Moon. • Sole, and Orates, 6, Pall•mall ; Ackermann% Regent-street and Strand; Taylor's Architectural Library and Carpenter's Library, An si tr y n ; Harris's Juvenile Library, St. Paula Church-yard ; Bookseller, 17, Fleet -street; Richardson's, Royal &- ohmage ; and the Minerva Library, Leadenball-street. • The Building will madam Open daily front Ten to Four, during the neat Week. IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. HOUSE OF LORDS, FEBRUARY 5. At twenty minutes after five o'clock the LORD CH ANCRL LOR rose, and read over his blajesty's Speech. which was after . Wards rea d the Clerk at the table, in accordance with the forms .•"111 the Honsearat which se. the &ran of yntet t iiiy. • The Marquis of SALISBURY then advanced to the table to move an humble Address to his Majesty, in answer to his most gracious Majesty's Speech. He col.menced by stating how fully sensible he was of the nece.sity . there was for claiming their Lhrdships' indul • gene in offrring himself to their notice on this occasi..n, and that this indulgence was made the mote necessary . as the Speech on which he was about to move an Ad . e'ress referred to such an extended variety of subjects. . The embarrassment which he felt in addressing their . Lordships on this occasion was still further increased by the reference made in the latter part of his AO jesty's Speech to a question involving such impor tant considerations, and on which these was such a • diversi, y of opinions, and so many shades of difference . even between persons who appatently agreed on the , principles on which the question ought to be sr i sued; that he teased that, even if he touched on it ever so ligl•ty, he must produce irritation of feel ing, and give rise to angry discussions, which he was most anxious to prevent. He sincerely deprecated any premature discussion on this subject ; fur he conceived that nothing could tend more to excite angry passions, . and to throw obstacles in the way of the final settlement Of the question, than angry discussion within the walls .of Parliament. In the observations which he should find i! necessity to offer to their Lordships, he assured them be stould endeavour to confine him-elf as much as possible to the immediate subject of discussion— namely, the Speech of his Majesty. In looking to our foreign :elation', it was true that his Majesty was net able, as on many former occasions, to congratulate their Lot dships on lily signal success achieved by our arms; but he was enabled to do what was much bout r and more advantageous to the real interests of the country—to congratulate his Parliament on the con tinuance of peace, and on the cordiel unanimity wh ch existed between his Majesty and his Allies.— .The tears entertained by many of their Lord,hips, . and, indeed, amongst others, by himself, that the Go vernment would not be able to maintain the she cos/boon which had been formed to preserve the peace of Europe, had happily proved unfounded; and the country not eel, continued to enjny peace, but to mijoy it in a manner which afferdyd the best reasons f•r concluding that it was tint likely to be disturbed. He could not fatigue their Lordships by travelli g over all the topics comprehended in his Majesty's Speech; but there was one subject connected with our foreign relations which he could not forbear advetting to. Whatever opinion Noble Lords might an. rtain as .to the wisdom or patty of the Treaty of the 6th July, it could nit but be gratifying to their Lordships to le urn th it the allied forces, without any further exertion of hostile power, bad cleared the Morea of the Egyp tian and Turkish fleets. By the Convention entered into between the Allied Powers and the Pacha of Egypt, and by the services of the French forces acting .on behalf of the Allies, the pacification of Greece had been accomplished. t .e Tut kid) army had abandoned the Morea, and Greece was now of peace; but it le /trained for Greece to show itself worthy of the name she bore, by preserving that peace by her own efforts. Ilfs Majesty', Speech adverted , to the continuance of hostilities between the Emperor of Rossi* and the 0 • t .man Porte. in terms with which it was imposs.ble that .their Lordships should not concur. His tights as a belligeient rendered it necessary fir his Imperial Ma j. sty the Emperor of Russia to establish a blockade of the Dardanelles, which certainly produced effects on our commerce in the Nlediterrancan much to he te ;petted ; hu . with respect t u the step taken by the Erb. peror of Russia, allowances should be made for his rights as a belligerent; and his Majesty had been gra.; cr.p us ly ple used to comiuunicve that our Government had Wren those steps which in duly it was bound to .take to protect his M je,ty's subjects who had en .gaged in commercial enteiprtzes on the I.ith of the previous declaration made to Pa , liament from the : 4n.tration of the blockade, net.sithstanding the con .tineance of hostilities between the Porte and the Ens. per& of ku , sial In taking a view of our foreign relati-es. the only subjects which did not offer mat ter for congratnia ten wee the unlortunate hostili ties between Itirsva and the 0 t man Porte, and the unsettled state. of Portugal. In alluding to the latter countr), die:disl not think it necessary. or that it ',cold become him, t' speak in terms of repeobation of the pet son now at the head of the Government of Portugal. The conduct of the persons at the head of Goserneneil Hirst be al svaysgoverned by the pat titular circumstances of the country to be governed; and their Lordships had only to hope that the negotiations en tered it,t . between his Majesty and the be id of the House 01 Braglll.Z4 wouW lead to an adjustment of differences, anti promote the permanent tranquillitrand p:o,pesitV of a count , y with which England had been so long and so closely allied. In reverting to it is sub. legit these was one subject which he thought might fairly be urged as matter Gf congratulation, which was ( that we were bound by no treaty to interfere with the ibternal a , raugements of Portugal. Without referring sm,e n detail to our foreign relations, he might con clude what he had to say on that subject by observing, that we were now at peace, and that there was every prospect of the continuance of that blessing, as hi, Majesty continued to receive from all fareign Powers a:surances of amity, and of their desire to cultivate the worst friendly relations wish him. Before he took leave of this branch of the subject, be had one other observa tion to make. which was, to congratulate their Lind ships and-the country that the animosity which existed in fornser time. between us and a powerful neighbour was now entirely at an end. We were now in the en- joyment of peace,which was not likely to be disturbed; the commerce of the country was placed on a surer footing; and those branches of the revenue which best indicated the flourishing state of the country were on the increase. Turning from the pleasing prospect which England presented. both as respected her internal pros pet my and her foreign relations, he was compelled to turn to a part of the United Empire which presented a much darker and less agreeable prospect—he meant,to Ireland. That unhappy country still continued in a state of irritation and disturbance which presented a miserable contrast with the tranquillity and pews which pervaded every other part of the kingdom.... An Association had been established there, under spe cious pretences of obtaining an extension of privileged for his Majesty's Roman Catholic subjects; but the course of proceedings which this body adopted seesal . germs to liberty, 'and inconsistent with the principles ell the British Constitution. This Association proceeded to levy taxes, and to exercise a kind of legislative con trout over the feelings and the conduct of the people ri l l Ireland; and - it was the more to be reprobsted, as Is was supported and assisted by e power of the Ceiba lic Priesthood, which was but too iften applied t 4 this' support of the Association in proceedings which did not prom , to the tranquillity of the criunti y, or the is ' fluence of the laws, but which engendered religious aid. mosity, and excited the worst passions of the people.... There could be no doubt that, since the exigence st the Association, party feeling had si-en to a greater height than it ever was before in Ireland. The names of Catholic and Protestant had now become the watch. word of party, and . religion was made the pretence fir leelings which were any thing but Christian. Such being the state of Ireland, he was warranted in saying that the occasion was extraordinary, and that it requited extraordinary measures to meet it. Their Lordships would remember that some years ago an attempt had been made to put down the Cathoic Association, but that attempt had not been successful; the measures then adopted proved insufficient; and their Lordships were now called upon to grant extraordinary powers to his Majesty, to enable him to carry into effect the ob ject he had in view, which was the complete supine,- sir n of that body, the existence of which had been so inimical to the prosperity and tranquillity of Ireland.' He bad no doubt that their Lordships would Five their concurrence to any measures introchiced by his Majesty's Ministers for the effectuation of this most desirabte ob ject. At the same time, perhaps, their Lordships would deem it advisable to adopt s )me measure of a concilia tory character s end to take into consideration the state of Ireland generally, and especially the lasts affecting his Majesty's Roman Catholic subjects. He knew that by the mention of this subject a wide field for discussion - was opened. He had already adverted to the difficulties surrounding the discussion of thsf question, arid he again repeated, that he confidently hupei their Lordships would avoid entering - on t' idis cussion of-the question until some specific measure was introduced In voting for 0 e Address which be would conclude by moving, heir Lordships would merely ex press their intention to take the subject into their consideration. They did not pledge themselves to vote 1.. r any particular measure; and, in point of tact, the Address which he would move went no further than strictly to pledge their Lordships to a consideratint of the subject. For his own part, though favourable to the adjustment of the Catholic questroa, he had no limits. tin° in stating that he would never consent t s repeal the l a ws now in f tree unless it could be dune with am ple security to the Established Church—(Hear, hear). He felt it the more necessary to make rhis declaration, as he felt strongly the necessity of removing the dis abilities under which the Roman Catholics laboured ; but he wou'd never consent to any measure which granted power to the Cath tics at the expense of the Protestant establishment—(llear). Unless such secu titles were introduced as he thought absolutely neces sary t• the safety of the Protestant Establishment, he would never consent to Catholic Emancipation. He had troubled their Lordships with his own opinions on this butryct, because he wished to be understood as re serving to himself the right of voting against any mea sure which might be introduced for the ielaxatien t f the penal laws, if it was not accompanied with -ecuri. lies; and he wished to guard against its being imputed to him that, by moving an Address pledging their Lordships to take the subject into consideration, he in any degree pledged himself to support any specific measure. In his understanding of his Majesty's Speech, it by no means c tiled upon their Lordships to pledge themselves to adopt any particular measure ; and for kis own part he repeated, that he would not tie a party to any measure of Em incipatioii, unless it was guarded by securities. All their Lordships were now called upon to pledge themselves to, therefore,' was, to take the question into con-ideration; and he hoped that t h ose , f r:set r Lordships who would refuse to pledge themselves to that extent were few in number. He begged to remind their Lordships that the question of Catholic Emancipation was now brought forward un cer circumstances very different f urn those under v. hico it had previously been brought forward, when the per son introducing the measure claimed fur the Ca. tholics as a right what Pal 'lenient would only concede to them as a favour, and what it could never concede unless some measure was introduced which tendered this removal of those disabilities consist: nt with the Coro. nation Oath, and with the security cf the Church Es. tablishment. He was aware that he had set offered no argument to the r Lordships to induce them to adopt an Address in accordance with this part of his Ma jesty's Speech. He would not attempt to offer aoy ar gument, for he wished their Lordships to adopt it solely on the ground that it had been recommended by his Ma jesty. He preferred this course,not only because he trusted that it would prevent a discussion, by which a consider. ab:e degree of warmth and passion might be excited, but because he conceived it to be a mark of respect due to the Sovereign, and that their Lordships would show a pioper confidence in and attachment to the Monarch, by pledging themselves to take the subject into consi. &mann, without needing any further argument in sup port of that step than that it wain accordance with the desire of his Majesty: Whatever might be the fate of the measure which it was intended to introduce, or whatever dt-cision their Lordships might finally come to as to the relaxation of the penal laws, be respectfully but earnestly entreated their Lordships to adopt his Ma 'jesty's advice - to take the subject into consideration with out any arguments. He could not sit down without again expressing his opinion that a discussion of the •question before any specific Measure was before the House, would only tend to excite angry feeling and to produce bad effects. In the observations be (the Mar quis of Salisbury) had made, he was well aware he bad done little justice even to the points he had touched upon ; but he hoped be bad succeeded is his earnest Jesus of giving expression to his sentiments, without saying any thing which could be construed into as in• tension of provoking irritable feeling or angry discus sion. The Noble Marquis concluded by moving and reading the Address. which. as usual, was merely an echo of his Majesty's Speech. The Earl of WICKLOW—My Lords. in rising to second the Address which has been moved, I feel great satisfaction in thinking that the clear and explicit cha• rimer of that document ha• left me in a situation in which lit le can be desired or expected from me in the nature of explanation. The va ions topics alluded to are of such a nature as to ten ler a particular a In sion to each qu;te unnecessary. Indeed. I should feel that I but uespassed on the p .tienee of pier Lordships if I touched on more than a 'try few r I them. A, t the state of our. foreign relations, it mm 4 be satisfactory to your L , r.lships to learn that we are at peace with the whole r f Europe, and that. from the friendly as. mrances receiveJ by his Majesty from foreign Erwer., se may confidently look for ward to a continuance r.f that international tranquillity. It as an Additional bless ing that, under the mediation of his Maje.ty, prelimi naries of peace have been agreed upon between the ' State of Buenos Ayres and the Emperor of Bras l—a circumstance most advantageous to 11.i!istl commerce; and that a Convention has been entered into between our Government and the King of Spain. the probable result of which must be the seiCement of those claims of British subjects on Spain which have unfoitunatels served as a subject of contest and jealousy between the two nations; and, in relation to Portugal, while his Majesty laments the suspension of oar diplomatic Tel& tions with that kingdom, it may be some satisfaction t• your Lordships to - train, that our communications with that State in mercantile affairs remain in full fire& But, as there is no British subject who must not feel • lively interest in the welfare of a country char, for ors, many years, his continued a close ally and ancient 'blend of England. it must be pleasing to learn that, 'through negotiations w ith the August Head of the House of Braganza, our Government has interposed, slot by threats or violence, but on such grounds as one independent nation is justified in adopting towards' another—those, I mean, of friendly counsel and ami cable negotiation. The Treaty of 1826. too, we ate, informed, is in operation; and though war has broken ens between Russia and Turkey, it is satisfactory to know that the Treaty is its full twee. and that the Mo sea and the adjacent islands are entirely freed from the presence of the Turkish Urce. It soul have been a source of great pleasure to see the forces of this country co•operating a ith those of mother kingdom, which we have been long in the habit of considering a national enemy, in relieving unfortunate Greece irons her gni seey, and leaving her in a situation to provide f.sr her future glary. The financial condition of the country, too, was much anseli r led, both in e •nsequence of t e plans suggested bi tl.e Parliamentary Committee ct last Session, and the improveoiens at the current re venue. And now, my Lords. allow me, to come to that part of his Majesty's Speech which alledes to the affairs of Ireland. Scandium here, Si 1 do, the Repre sentative of Ireland, and interested in her welfare. I must give expression to the cordial satisfaction with which 1 have listened to that portion of the Speech from the Throne. When the condition of that unhappy country has been usually brought before your L'ird ships, it has commonly been tot the purpose s f lament ing her distresses and distractions, or of proposing mea sures of restriction for her irregulalities—(Hear, hear) but now the case of lieland is pr. sented to us fur a dd . . fermi view. We hate nor seaman, to hope that tho measures of conciliation—Vhcers f nun she Wcigst— those measures so long sought and so often refused, so long petitioned f.r by millions of our fellow-subjects, and so ably advocated by the first statesmen—that meat• slue is now likely to be carried, not only bought for. weld by • strong major ry of his Majesty's Ministerh i but recoinnietwed to your Lordships toi a 'option is his Majesty's Speech from the Throne—(Cheer.). is true that another memo e, too, has he n r cons mended, and of a different nature; but surely ewe' yl just thinking man in the kingdom moat long sincehavt , felt convinced that the Catholic Associatio s must be •uppreleed. Under its ba clot infloence the spirit or social discoid has been diffused through the land, and 41) the ties of sovety dis•oli ed. 1 hope, brewer. that that Association will commit one act of wisdom, and dissolve tl ensselves--(loud cheers from the opposition) —and 1 trust, too, that all other poh ical societies will also disband themselves, and sink their pol tical dini sinus in social national concord—(Vehement cheering from all sides). 1 sincerely hope that this intended measure of conciliation will meet the approbation of sour Lordships' House and the whole country, and that while the Legislatute confers relief on his Majesty's It. man Catholic subjects, they will at the same time take care to preserve those Pt oceans t a t tutions of the mime which every man who loves his country will peril his I.fe to defend, and which his Majesty, in his Speech hom the Throne, pledges himself to maintain unharmed and inviolate.--(The Noble Seconder sat down amid universal cheering.) The Duke of NEWCASTLE wiled to a k the Noble I Duke on the Ministerial Bench • few questions as to the Noble Duke's intentions on one topic alluded to ip the Speech from the Throne. He begged to ask the Noble Duke whether it was his intention to proceed by snowing for a Committee to take into consideration - the state of the laws affecting the Roman Catholics, or by, bringing in a Bill? The Duke of WELLINGTON said, in answer to the question put by the Noble Duke on the cross bench—a I have to inform him that it is the intention r 1 his Ma. jesty's Government, according to the course laid down its the Speech, to propose a direct measure for the ad. justment of what is called the Roman Catholic ques tion—not going through a Committee—a measure tend. ing to a removal of the disabilities imposed on the Ca. tholics, with exceptions resting solely on special grounds, and that to be accompanied with such other as shall be necessary in consequence of the removal of the di.. • Tne Earl of WINCHILSEA—My Lords, I am anxious to speak with all pope: respect of any com munication proceeding from the Throne; but I =no own, my Lords, that it is with great surprise and heart• felt regret I have heard bit Majesty's recommer.dation for the removal of the Romeo Cwhol but still with mere sempeise do I learn that such a en asure is to be brought fbeward—!act by those who, by their former advocacy of the subj• et, might be warranted, in all honour and consistency, to present it to_ your Lordships again, but by those who have been hitherto distinguished for their long and unceasing opposition to it. This abandonment of chair previous line co coudur t appears to me such a gross violation of political c nsic. tent!. that I will not give vent to my &ling. on the subject, lest language should fall from me which future reflection may condemn. But if the Noble Doke on t' e Xlinisterial Bench declares that securities can be found for the safety of our Piotestaut in titstti.m , stir ly the Noble Duke is bound to state them foe ti e oofos hea then of the Protestant part of the conaniuoity,who think that the Roman Catholic disabilties ought our to be r - moved. If the Constitution is to remain es e nee le Protestant, then I contend that no parains ought to be admitted into the L.gislature or high office. of Sc. e who are not of the religion est hilted by the Constitii lion but, if the Constitution is not destined to remain Protestant. then, indeed, the Catholics-may be admitted into power. Brt then you will destroy th.t C institu ton which is the ground took of all our liberties, and has made us the envy and admiration t f nations. My Lords, the character and principles of [ha Catholic religion ate utterly inconsistent with the es. istence of our free Protestant Constitution. I gust, ti et, that the Protestants of the empire will me rowly ch the details and the psogress of the intended Bill, and zealously and fearlessly raise their united voices in de. fence of the interests and institutions of the Est e I Church, the dete•tion of which must denounce us base, disgraceful, and dishonout able. The Earl of ELDON said that he could not brim himself to believe the present measure had been consi dered with sufficient coolness and attention previou.ly to its being submitted for his Majesty's approval—yet it deserved deep attention. It was, in his opinion. the most important measure that had been broug' t before Parliament since the passing of that Bill, * hick was thought necessary for the pres-rvation of the liberty, and security of the religion, of the triunity. From the nature of the situetions which he hat Mies!, he thought he should be the most unpardonable man in existence, it he did not declare, on all occa.inna, that if such a meas. re was introduced, net only t' at it. was the most important, but t he most dangerous. ever submitted to Parliament. He telt that this declaration was due from him tl his Sover ign—to his fellow sub jects—and even to she Catholics themselves. It in volved the security of the tights, libertie., and the sacred institutions of Englishmeo, which was inconsistent with the possession of political power by H. man Ca tholics; and he hoped his feeble voice would in some way reach the ears cif vont E sglishnien w le-• loved their saved Constitution, and who eli that the ssy;emary t f PuttleSlAlltAST WAS necessary to the p.eserva•ism 0: Vseir liberties. He would never whilst he had lit c.sissci t to the admis4 n of C .tholes to seats in P4 , l.aturols or to the enjoyment of high ' laces of trust in the Ex.cu. five of the country. His opus inn wa., and he de.lared .it most conicientiou•ly, that the day which 5h0.11.1 • t ress the admission of a single Catholic tea seat in ei.her branch of the Legis'ature ' nt to the possession of 4 (it 'CS al trust in the Executive of the counts y. w uld Aso ak en . the sun of Britain. glory rising to set no in re. rbe Noble Marquis who had moved the AdJsess hrd complained of the exclusion of C•tholsc• ; but he. (I.,:rd Elden.) cot tended that • very State had a cc fct sight .to exclude from power all such persons as inaistat. ed opinions inconsistent with the is at fusions t f the State. It was competent for the S. ate so Jet Tonne who should be considered eligible to offices t f 'suits and this right haJ been ezetcised by tr- ry St to that ever had existence—(Hear, hear, from Lard Holland). They might cheer, but he (Lord Eldon) r feet it—he would even maint sin that the king himself ( tud be spoke this wish devo ed loyally to lass S ‘vereign) could not alter the Protestant C n.stiiu insior the realms; n the comtaty, be was sworn to support it. He, for one, thought he would be guilty of a biessch of ttud, and of that loyalty he owed his Sovetesetn, if he did hot thu. express his convittior. No consult ration would seam induce him to consent to allow Catholics sit in Pailsament, *bete they would have the - poster df making lasts, aff ctiog the Pootestant-Cunstirozson of this country. With respect to the in as tie fn lotto% Joan the Catholic Association, he would so, ti as et the Noble Duke thought such a memos* necessai y lair the unetests of the co story, those intesests fia.l teen strangely neglected dining toe last Se lion of Par w =ent ; and as to the Noble Maiqiiis's notions respecting the Association. he must say, that he did not c a islet it capable of one .e. of siaim. It was a 'natter of surprise to him, that such a S..cie•y should It sire been pesmitted, for two or three year., so vend se.•iii:a erof treason through t: e land. The Noble Lord (Wicklo • ) Lilted of tie Catholic Association as if he caroled it would disperse of its own accord. H • (Lord E:d n) did not believe they would do any such thing. He dil not anticipate improvoinei t f oat thew. He never saw, on any occasio.o. any symptoms of good sense about that body. The Noble Lord also talked of abolishing the forty ahilling freeholders. Did the Noble Lord re collect the language of some of the m• tubers of the A. satiation, sbo had declared itiat the atteno the people of Ireland of this privi:ege sidertd by them as the signal foe their , in Isis opinion. the admission of Cathoh uld deprive his Majesty of some rights which were invested in the House on their accession to the Throne. That place on the express condition that the ' s'itution, as established at the limit preserved inviolate. Hi, gratitude to Soveteign, and to the Sovereign who him Anxious, independent of other motif the rights of the Crown, •hich he infringed upon, and the sacred Constitution try. which he thought endangered. Earl BATHURST said, that there vidual in that Mouse, for whom he entertain feelings of respect than the Nilsle (Eldon); but he must observe, that possible to come to an amicable adjustment lerences existing between this Kingdom both parties, for and against, did not with temper and moderation. Pas ing which had just been made, he would of their Lordships to the situation in stood. lie had always thought that i as Emancipation was to take place at , i 1 1 1 1 ii ii i 41 $. _, a • • i . .4 t i I ' ' .r t 1 1 1 . $ i 1 .1 11, I i `•. I # i I • I ' • 1 .. . I ; : 1 I 1 ll I t II ), t t i I I I : tli tt I' i. 11 i 1,1 1 • . l ' t t I I I . 1 . I 4 ‘ t. ! ' lUMF b Ur 111 C nt. attempt to devise • ge would be cm. it taking the field ? :atholits to power of tie most sacred nese of &truss it It let accr-ssion took • se Protestant Crn- olation, should be to his last departed D now tam , meets midges, to preserve thought would Lir itution r fuse tour.- re was not an indi- entertained greater t Js LorJ oppoti , e c it would be itn- tamest t f the dors • om and Permed. If express -ih• melees ng the obsereatior s ' ti tall the atienti r 11 r in which they then tif such • me•su e t all, it shoulJ cum* :s• 1 I • r • , se the bas ts 9I Sok It Si , as coed red! :aft; spa bel• awl oder . tbe ....3 DIV. .........• 'Riad,