Star. — London, England, 1829-03-19 00:00:00

fared put that beyond cootrover.y. and confirm me mare and more in the conviction that the value and power of a Roman Ca tholic party In the Legislature is of a very high order. and magi to be guirded against. No statesman that ever ezisted in slits country bad a just's. Impresiduri on that subject tinny !tad King Witfiam ; but if Abe contemied that he was not a goocilbdge. have one who must be acknowledged still more conwptent,,l I mean King James 11. TM Honourable Member then read some extracts dee'aratory of the „musty of the Mo narch to those days to preserve invklate the Protestant Church from an the dangers which might be apprehended from the intro duction of Catholics into power. King James ako sent for many of his Mahar to esplan to them his desire to ragweeds' Church of Ragland. Those Diatom after having been sent for to the Court (continued the Honourable Member" all departed very well anis hed. What they thought of this interview appeared by the ten , ankles they returned to King James. What answer the present' Bishop' may return to his Majesty. If they give their opinion that this measure is calculated to secure the safety of oar Church, we may perhaps within a short time have ample proof of that—for allow the to say, that I could pledge myself they will do their utmost to uphold the Constitution. and that they will never surrender it to the Catholic power. or &wince it to foreign Influence. Mr. WILIOT-HORTON said that the Hon. Mein her who bad spoken last seemed to think that the mo ment Catholics were admitted into that House they and the Protestants would come into instant collision. Would he take the opinion 9f a Roman Catholic upon that subject? He (Mr. Wilmot-Horton) could show the House what that was from the authentic document then in his possession. The House would recollect that the ptoposition made by him (Mr. Wilmot-Horton) on the subject of securities was, that Roman Catholics should not be allowed to vote on any question involving the interests of the e cabtished Church. Were a security of that kind adopted there would be obviously no risk to the established Church from the admission of Roman Catholics to political power. When be fiat suggested that species of security to she House he consulted a l Noble relative of his in Ireland. a member of the Catho lic Association, and the reply he received was, that Catholics being disqiiaNfied from voting on questions that affectpd the established Church, so far from being any saetifice. was an actual relief from the performance of wh!st ssiu'j appear to them a painful and delicate duty. He added, that if he could he would not act on occasions when the interests r f the established Chinch cam u der di-c4s•irn. Mr. Mount, the Secretary to Vic English Cathul•cii, said there was no necessity for hitch a proviso to segure the sat, guatclianshp of the esab:ished Church; but hone urable and liberal-otioded Plotg,tatits nrisht consider such a security necessary, and, if so, he, as a Catholm, saw no objection to it. How opposite to all this were the conduct and senti ments of done 'mho in that Muse opposed themselves to Roman Catholic Claims? they seemed to consider shit the air they breathed wait tainted unless the dtgradation of their Roman Catholic biethren was borne on its current—(Cries rf " 01.1 oh !") It w as in vain that the Catholics nide the moat solemn declarations that they entertained no sentiments hostile to civil or religious liberty ; their declarations met la ith no credence. Thc.ugh, when he suggested the security to the 11 , !use already adverted to, he thou,tht it might be.t e lvantageous WI the means of con. eiliati , m, yet, n•iw tlic these asas a hope of accomplish• igg tie gre.it object without what in present ciicum• stances must be consideiod a drawback, he rejoiced that his own n crittre had ri..t been adopted. 11; was ex t•ernrly well ;,leased that the Present rpeasure did not touch the qtiestitm tf• ecclesiastical securities at all.— Honourable Geode-men who in that House opposed cor•ce.sinn to tl,e Roman C.itholics, assumed all "Aim% that th 11. man Catholic Bishops and Close hall no other o► j ct than to obtain p• session of the roots te. of the Egabtislie.: Church. N it was impossible that siren so well int, rnied as they were could not at once see that the whole situation cf the goirl4o Catholic _ _ Church in lieland must be changed before such stre , ult could en ue: C uid they aupp-se, then, any Government wound be insane enough to invest them (the lt-iman' Catholic Clergy), either in who:es:it in part, %%WI the vast mass ..f I rose , ty at . psesent enjoyed by the E.tablitheil Church. wish ut going to the Pope, a. other Govern ments had done, and obtaining the nominatien of the Bishops and Mer l y ? 11 was ab.urd to sopnose that any hody of open could be so blinded as to believe that any Glseinment would confer upon them such prodigious advantages o ithout any equivalent,without any acknow ltdgnsent of a principle of reciprocity. His Hon. Friend had said that r ne of the first objects which the Roman Coat lies would seek would be to exonerate them selves from the payment of tithes. Did any influential man amongst them suppose.tbat the abolition of tithes would affect the profit of the afgriculturist? The fall. value of the land would still have to be paid ; whether to landl , rd or parson made but little substantial diffe rence to bun who cultivated the soil. It was as well understood by the Roman Catholics as by any other of his Majesty's subjects, the Church property wain trust held by the State for the Lenetit of the existing Church, and could no mote be justly alienated by an Act of Parliament than could airy pr ivate property. Retirees glebe and aoy other property there was manifestly no: distinction, and if tithes were fairly considered they could not but be regarded itt a similar light. As to the total impos 14110 of any mars who culliv.atall the soil *riving pet unlit y 4cl:6t from the abolition, it was a fallacy that could t ever vet y extensively gtettel. There was no mystery it. the seasoning by which men arrived at the conclusion that i relief num t.thes•wou:d be no relief to the pr. sent players ; it was a truth susceptible of the moat pimple proof and elucidatiett—the lamb which are and are not tithe free pay rents different in the exact amount of the tithe. And further, too, it estuld not but be well lumen to the Roman Catholics th at the Act Of Union must be repealed before such an alienation of Church property could take place. Could any man of character gravely assert that such Roman Catholic Members as might find their way into that House could induce the Legislature to repeal the Act of Union ? It was not less extant diaary to find the opponents of Conce'siuu contemling that the Catholics were now influenced by the same motives as at the period of the Revolution—that could scarcely be the fact, unless there were somewhere a King of tbg Stuast family Wog. It was said, pot without sin* toundstinn in truth, that tee present income had not the approbation of the people. That w to a great dm pee owing to the pains which were taken to keep the people of - Xugland to as to the real. state of the questions—(erns • " oh! oh !") The Risk llou. Gentlentau theu procendad e amidst the anumeat founded en dag assertion that Wends Coirolics were not to ha believed on their oaths, in the course at Whath he referred w die declaration of the ikitish Catitolica, in age year lgaa, a part Id which he quoted. The extract concluded 14r siting that all Hansa Catholics coasitleftd themselves bound • IMF oitdass,eil matter tO whom taken, and in the obvious tue.o.ing of the words. The only thing t 64 ege.loded Nassau Catholize Aran power was the sauctiou of is oath. Any sae of thew could, with et? al truth. as p— 4. Were nty lissom as aloe as thou dcent'st it to be, I need not %taw waudened Item far Craililec It was but abjuring wry coma to efface The craws which thee ssay'st is the curse of my race." He was as ready a entracte to admit that the Concession of Ca tholic Claims would not at once apply a remedy to ail the villa u te d e r Wage* Indeed was labouring, but that moral remedy most its- applied before they amid cope with the physical Me which reseed down the tamagias of Irelandlikii an inisisbus. It had been' said that the armpit of other countries ought nut to Maitre England, which of aS nations ought to be the best judge of rii. siosal liberty. The American drought highly of his own progress Mt freedom ; but ahem retailed in the United States, and the mauls* of the Roma Catholic was the great bliat upon the-con • atitudooal character of Suglsod, which made us of little vale. obroatbaod impeded sauciiiatiou at home. He bad a ready es pressed his eatisfeedes that the useseare of the Right Monis:v.4de Secretary was nes clogged with sap *seep at security ; for, after all, it was his persuades that dune who prepaid securities had no very deep-rooted loaded= of their Amy as securities, sad only !Oat ground in any future dere' ce of their Protestant in . proposed them for the purposes of coociliatke, and in the hope of ggingtions, they should:then be engfged not isteists4fll4 , o l : settling the question by . allaying apprebensloos; but, &gnomons, all necessity for those precautions wow new at an end," and tbe for 0 nsieerattie exception to the Coomtitessaa, bet 19f to tole of die Constitution. He siva/ that tiro C ~ '.RightflOn. Sedan, 'bad wifely here* from them. Seems) bleinberabere rose togleiser v ant the &stow called ou . .climpipo was a questiunAintergen din eompagetiyeaserias , Eir H. Panama.. rif the cathr,lic and Protemoot toefigions. Tl 4 Oise. Sir H. PAIORNELL solid that most al the preview . , Concessions to the Catholics had become of little avail,, Iflonolsor then proceeded to &woe that do gaiisolAus laws were framed against the Catholics alone, and trot because unaccompanied by seats in Parliament. The to secure an exclusively Protestant l'AfliAltAtit. The Hon. Member said_he could show the authority of Mr. rest o..th, as had some time been observed by Losd Blokes in justification of his opinion, and with • view Plonkett, was purely one of negation. The p ast y to meet the opinions of a Right Hon. Gentleman (Mr. was not required to say that he was a Pomo:int 1 Peel) as quoted by th e. Hai. Member for Dorset. He . ghat a mile but, that he was not a Catholic. Se _ .. it o . denied that the influence of the Catholic Priests would might take the oa th and be no Cb e r r iat a ian, or be of nO Imaginary cape rem . to o n i:• for the future be directed to the destruction of the Pro. And testant Church, or that they would in any degree inter ill bor for Newark bad said, that Protestantism was one Grebe deal l o se r t v i i iil as ta n ri7 "w uo It . atl a ak kes il ly got Il Within their walls. The film fere with it. It required considerable local information gosotteasoes required by the Constitution. .Is au. he . !Aiirsi r offs to form a correct opinion upon this subject, and after 'h. iimmrat'le Chlitt"i eo " in ° t r il 'ini erri " es he d:otd w ire n iare eg the most deliberate inquiry his opinion was, that th at those wt.: o p t :Ott: u trio. f a d : c et tincerawc Aiewba.had them the granting of this measure would be the means of 1 n s se sid, that Christianity was part and parcel of the law. and very diminishing the in fl uence of the P r i es t s in that coi ' proper that it should be so. But he denied that it was a necessary he try. In fact the Catholic Clergy had taken no active q uastication for sharing in the benefits of b the Cuslawr brkmist.irint to part in politics, ,until the body of the people had lite- Honourable Geutleman conc o l f ud ik e i ti r his ii o lni sv li r i, as iri which be desired rally forced them into it. Be th from letters which be had received, the conclusio n . o f a speec h the a . cc pli i s l hawin art this measure and communications had with the Titular Bishop of Armagh. he the House to tookf orwar d to could assure the House that clerical i nte rf e r e nce wou ld h ence f o rth as that which was to bring peace and happiness to the country. ' mainly cease. The state of the law in Ireland was so bad that the Mr. THANT said that, it he -under stood cur thing *Catholics could DO longer live under it; but be trotted that after of the airman of the Ham anJ Leagued Gentletuau the proposed measure would pass, peace and prosperity would be who bad.ust sat down, it were to this-that theteligiou the portion of Ireland, and by increasing the general wealth, be the meant of employing and civilising its immense population. Thew of . the majority of lieland should be the establisteo tea few observations he felt it necessary to make, In order to do justice loon of that country. That was the course ache Hon. to the Catholic Priesthood of Ireland, with many of whom behs 4 and Learned Gentleman's argument, and out would the honour of being personally acquainted, and for whine grown' inevitably be the consequence of pressing Inc presei.t character fur morality of life and conduct every man well acquainted measure-s measure yielded to the clamour eel the seven with Ireland felt that tbey were entitled to every respect. Lord TULLAMORE said that he had to apologise millions of Ireland. The Honourable mut Leal tied in show them shut these, to the House for thus rising to trespass on their fatten- Member bad also ende avoured 4 that there - lion, but he trusted they would extend their usual cow- was danger in the couJition 1.1 Irelan d. an tesy towards him, while he explained the motives which fore we ought to grant the Catholics ,N i d. On the, arw. other governed his vote on this vitally important question.- hand, they bad been assured by the Right Hon. W In doing this he was willing to adopt the gracious re• tary for the Home Depaitment thiat . there_wainoeliieg comniendation from the Throne, and speak with as much to tear, not only not in Ireland or Engi and, b us i ii the calmness and moderation as the vindication of himself relations of this country with_ Foreign Pow. Her er.. . and his friends would permit him. They bad been then was the Hun and Lamed Gentleman in direct called base, infamous, vindictive bigo!s, and non who opposition to the !tight Hon. Secretary. 6, Who shill could gloat their eyes with the blood of 'their Roman decide when Doctors disagree?'' How should a poor, Catholic . fellow -subjects. and that they look on with humble, stupid man, like himself, venture to decide complacency to the existence of a civil war in Ireland- which was the case? It had been said that the pi tociples F.hus honor juvat et mendax infamia terret of the Protestant constitution were ,against eachision; Quem nisi mendosum et mendaceum. but be should like to know what had been the principles Neither he nor the Honourable Friends with whom he acted were persons of such a description as they were of the amstitution since the time of Char lei the Second ? Had they trot been toothiest ow the utter emission of stated to be, and he despised the abominable ay which Mss attempted 'to be raised against them. He would the Roman Catholic. from .11 share of political power ? He should take the liberty . f melting to Bishop Burnet nut enter into any comparison of the relative purity or for a proof of the correctness ot his opitrion. Bishop flu • the Catholic and Protestant religions. Ile was on terms of intimacy with many Roman Catholics, whom he net was a councillor of King William's, and he had beers called in that 800 e and elsewheie A liberal Pr ince.- greatly respected; he knew many good and benevolein ( l'riests; but he could not consent to sacrifice the Pro- ' The Hon. Member here read a quotation from Bishop Burnet, setting forth the aspiring namee of the Runtish testoot Church for any such feelings of personal regard. It was said that they ought to place their coufidencv in Church, its Clergy not being able to keep them else , quiet, even when masters, which bad meth K ngt% i.h,m his Majesty's Governmenobut he felt he could not place disinclined to admit them to power ). He and his it sends any confidence in Ministers on this occasion. He felt that had been told they sere all taken by surpiise, and It be spoke strongly. that they were brutes Dad bigot - , but it toy were so-it was in company of King Wiiiiarn. The it was because be felt bitterly the calamities. w h cboutirt Homan Catholics themselves avowed their ambitious result from their improvident, their dangerous in fluence in the Protestant Church of Ireland-(Hear). projects. Oyer and over again in their writings, in their speeches, had ttey mid that they would hot be Ibe Ministers had practised nothing but delusion upon content with equality. . Authorities of a coo•rss y cha the country. They made processions into this, that, and one duce had been quoted, but for one such he c .uld pro the oilier part of the country - they. listened to duce ten that confirmed him in his opinion. Let theta soecclies in favour of Protestant principles ; but while thee were friendly in Lancashire, they w ere found faiths prevent the accession of these ambitious men to power -let them endeavour to guard the blessings for which teas in IVliiteholl. The Right Hon. Secretary now said thee. he saw no danger in gianting Catholic E mancipa- their forefathers fought, for which their ford .tilers bled. He should so act, by GOD'S blessing, tothe hitest moment lion, but he should like to hear him answer his own speech deliveied so lately as the month of June id. the of his life-(Cheers). He was old enough to remember that, in the year 1794, when greater danger ..stated in last yea.? In that speech he took a very different view Ireland than there had since, or than there did now, of the subject; but yet he seemed to throw out a some. Mr. Pitt, upon Isis own responsibility, bad applied - the thitig which now, at all events. demanded explanation. -Tile Right Honourable Gentleman bad stated, remedies the exigency.of the case required. Miriam were fearful of taking a proper and decided course, had ,that the majorities and minorities in this Hous., gone on from year to year, and suffered the evil to *at. and especially the altered mete of Ireland, jars- tarn its present intolerable weight. They had so far Ofied•his present u..constou ional measure; but that he neglected the government of the country, bad so sof (i.o: d T) confidently denied. The state of Ireland was .lured its laws to be abused and evaded with impunity, then as tiai:quil as it was now, and the divisions in the that the Piorestants had been obliged to unite ter the House of Commons could form no earthly ground of defence of their properties, of their live., and of their vindication for the Hight Honourable Secretary. The Boman t ren Catholic Church was not desirous of toleration ; she did not want cli'ld • . It . was not the friends . of the . Protestants equality, but universality. Ireland bad always been the chosen who had done this, but his . Majesty's Government ; place from whence the See of Rome bad directed its machinations and in order to get them out of their scrape he 'would against the Protestant Church and the Constitution of England. not surrender the Constitution. The Honourable lie was convinced that these measures would enable the enemies Me mber i of the Constitu hay . vg then passed a high eulogium upon the zion ultimately to accomplish their purpose; and he *Ovid conclude in the words of the great Lord Burleigit--“ ono. address of the Hon. Member for Newaik o agreeing with und can only be destroyed by hue own Parliament?' him in the nature of the remedies proper 'tor Leland, - Mr. It. GRANT contended that those who advocated said, that if the present measure passed, Ireland must the Anti-Catholic side of the question, as well as the become absolutely and entirely a Catholic counory:--: petitioners who bad approached the House, bad been With regard to the securities of the measure he could' treated with the respect they unquestionably duet lied. gee none. He afoul! ark the Right Hon. Secretary.-- He had listened with great attention to a speech de- could Got a Jesuit be Prime Minister ? Let the Right briefed by the sew Member for Newark. and which was Hon. Gen.leman answer that question in the - negative. a speech of distingui bed ability ; and although lie agreed Well, then, with a Jesuit Prime Minister, and a Cathartic in many lithe po. id .ns laid down by that lion. Membe rs favourite of the female sex, what 'bight not the King yet re di ff . red from most of the iiifeiences which 'be be persuaded to?-(Laug hter). Hon. Members may ' drew front them. Aithoughl.e gave to the ptoposed Islets- laugh as they please, but it will be no laughing mattes sure his ms.st zealous support. yet he differed from those tf it come to pass-(Laughter). The Right Honourable who requited iron. its opi °rents that they should pro- Gentleman opposite had early in the Session let drop pound some other measure in its place. lie thought it the ominous words of ".f the Nohow; able Member did enough so induce the House to reject the proposition, if but know all that I know!" Now, he had anxiously upon its own merits it could be shown to be inadequate listened since its ea t ectation that some explanation of to the objects which it professed to have in view. Au Hon. these mystetious words would be giveM 'The flight 'Member had expressed himself willing to admiCC4eho- Honourable Gentleman has said this, that, and the lics to all civil offices except seats in the Houses of Pari• other, but nothing to the pit , pose. Tbe onourable liament. If he thought the Catholic leaders capable of Member fur Inverness had particularly alluded 'to the listening to such a compromise, he would abandon obligations which this country owed to Ireland. fps' their cause at once. It would be an acknowledgment did not mean to undervalue the obligations .the Ho-, thet they were fit recipients of the favours and patronage 'mutable Member bad mentioned, burthere was one des, of the Crown,' but unfit to share is the privilege of the liens, and important point connected with that objectoin Constitution, or to be the repsesentatives of the people. which be wished to say a few worth. He alluded to the The fis.n. Member for Newark had attributed the very great numbers of Irish soldiers there were in our evil. of Ireland to local oppression,• and principally standing army. Most Honourable Members, at teasel to the influence of absenteeism upon the habits and it was.the case with him, who was not in his Mtijesteil condition or the population. The only reused, he Government, were obliged for a great deal of their in b4d beard proposed for those evils by the Honourable fotmation to the publications they found upon their Member was the introduction of the Poor Laws. He breakfast tables. Now, he had learnt through these crintendeaf that such a remedy would only be a pallia. ve hi c l es o f i n f ormat i on that a Catholit Priest had Live, while the disewe would remain uncured. The lately, in his Chapel, after Divine Service was over,' Mil. Member for Newark, as if concurring in the idea made an harangue to the sold*, that attended, that Ireland was unJer the influence of same fatality, whiCh the Officer who attended thought objection-' Arid most always - be tom by dissentions, had told them Me, and therefore repOrted to bis superior. Through that the same evils had existed long before the Refor. the same source. too, be hod learnt that nearly minion, and that they could not therefore be attributed at the last -meeting of the Catholic Association 'eve- . to religious differences. But the complaint was ral Officers entered the balk in their uniforms, and lino., nut that some wese Catholics and others P.o. were loudly cheered. These circumstances ' made a deep int ..e,tants, but that one party in Ireland excluded pandas upon his misil. If so coadderabk opreporden of the another potty firm what were intended to be .iiiiiiill *eV wee etletweed of Remo Catkekto and taro Wass .. teil as c h at ra ce: m id net was ire .. 7r . reader sera of the Irish equal 'privileges and equal laws. To those who ; opposed the measure upon the giourd of ',Ruing to and bad not such a cOollanee in ti t : agaral" as ; entrust the Catholics with political (rower, lie would made hint think be Weida mast thest i erninible. : Wee shier be ' Arty that they already possesed political po.ver in its bee hed .l. the foreour °testae to that Vow boboo Meyer missed a lmost formidable and most dangerous - shape , andohat 49 feeble ni viVe ll a ' defen ce .citi of the' la in "Illi 'ltr "yid Hao. Member " ;the effect of 'this measure would be to lessen it. He eocelvded by saying , ia the Catholics tu Would never be satisfied !maintained that theft was no comparison between the wish Barthian short of absolute ascendency, said a King of their ration s 1 pio;peCtiee security witch his measure gave WS Pim tbiabroge. . . to the established institutions, and the miserable state Sr.. H. TWISS conaidsted, the measures which had of precw inns esktence to woicli they would soots be Oleo. PAPoutoil - .-bolf). OA they bad keen termedo-the lexposesiwohout.Wob deference to the Hon. Member for 404 'algal; 10 the MOO 1154141. The cleelOwl kid Newer kohe princliie of the Constitotiou was inequality Walt Pr-ought On to pleat six or seven millions of of civi l r i ghts — Oka' 1, and if they tog their stand open Opponent4s and thaa disk% their suaagth? That was. not a fair way of putting .th' questions - it wasiatirta. ing that the measures gave poseessson, whereas th e y olds gate eligibility. They did not coriftr Seats and offices—they . only granted capacity for seats and office% But that was the fallacy that ran through the minas of those who were alarmed about the concessions; they at .de nu distinction between granting power and cob: ceding eligibil.ty fur poser. But it was said. how would the Lug be tar tatted ageism. 'Popish adsbers? 'lam King might now have them twat his person in ;ft tesponsible character ; and what danger had resulted? He thought thee - woe no round Us • *mob eve ey e . alerts, not of ixtring mains ot a P posh way of think ; mg, so long is the Coronation (Oath existed. But, it was suptinsedjliat it them ineaantit* were carried, a considerable number of Roman Catholics would °biota it that were so, where were the pagosol history that world jit tJy them io saying these would be at. sided allegiance? He also denied that a repeal of the exclusive character cf the Constitution (a:i exclusive principle that did not naturally belong to it) would ea. danger the Coast/whoa; it was not etetailtty a pale of the Constitution. hossever much it might be admired by the Hon. Member for Newark thlr. Sadler ). and its removal would not affect its stability; on the contrary, k *Quid sotengthen the Constitution. As to theCoustitetma requiring a moral qualification, that would he the test of Ciiiistianity—that had be' n solid:crossly answered by an Nomad - 40,1e Alember (Mr. It. Grant) who tea unity spoke. Acianding o. the lesi•, Deists, Atheists, any body might qualify for office, eace i n Rumen Ca. theilics; and therefore 11111.% OUIJ it be said that such la./titer 14 the Constitution seemed l'itifessol . en of :Chriatigui . ty ? If that mope so, then had the weld far at IrA•t thirteen minutia. sti.tliout any Citistianity. Bit Le hoped the debates were beginning to mate the country acquainted with the teal yoestion in lie repeated. exclusion was not a pear.ciple of tit: Cowl to. tion; not had it hen till the time of toot (pleb:sled inventor apd reform-r, Dr.. Titus Oates. It WAS not as. itibutable to King Vifillians : that Monarch, by 'Om Treaty of Limerick, showed that he thought the lLomsn Catholies might be treated with, th t there was no pais epic f eacludoir actuating him. He considered riat the atter:nem made to 1088 were not borne out by the due itiecetigauop of the facts of that petiod..... defecti•in of King *Natal made the prate, ding compulsory ; and as rush would be delenstble under like circumstances. if they could recur ; but be was somewhat %arrived that it should be taken as a pattern era. As to the measure., however, now proposed, lie rep-aced, they had his deside.l apiantiation. Heretofore them had been burning., messacie., enmities trail:mt. titan tatt i er to son ; and them was now required is Ireland a large miiitary force; but .dada these measure ,, get rid of leltat now diagiaced the Statute Ow k, and the advaroirges it conciliation *cud soon appear.— Notwahstau.ling all the swap's, the arguments, and the am. mou place of the ilwinurable Member fur work, he emended that the nitasure - before the li.mse was no departure tenet the visit of the Gnotituthai it itirte. The Constitution was coaled in the time cf King for the people, and sot the people fee the Coustittioun. And if at that time the soles et'spul was the greet point consulted, why should it not he so still? The lion. Gentleman then enumerated the powers and influence pot. seated by the Catholic., and contended that in their present positiste they could be 10'044 op yto the fatten angel. It was not fur the dietiffy„ the security, nose the prosperity it the Empire, that they should be left to such a condition. list, if the fear of danger was still to.induce the House topers:, ttruld course, why should out greater fears excite a ditfcrest.pidement ? had been asked, why Shahid two-thirds of the umpire give way to one.tidril? And there might be some force In the interrogatory If the 'Roman tingles were scattered throughout the Three hinedoms; but there, as the case stood it present, it had little strength. It bad bite also *shed. why should our the proposed measures have bees brought forward years before? Ile replied; that the spleen of resistance had been tried till raperkoce proved it to be vain, qe, of not wain, Hermits. For thirty-6n year. the system of resistatice • bad been pursued, and he would ask those who were the loudest fur cachalots, whether, if the amplaences of the proceedings at those thirty.five years could have been anticipated, or were again to be acted over, they would be prepared to recommend their Suvereigu to ad opt exclusion? Much bad been said of the caudate of his Majesty's Ministers • but the chief duty of that limp/ wets to consider what they them selves ought to do. In former pots 'there bad been divialone, and no hope held mit • but now OP binet was united, and the Gracious Speech of hi s Majesty bad held trot wept of relief to tbeCathetiet. From the moment that hope was held out, their circumstances were changed.. and be meld not think %pa** to the measure any Wager justifiable. With the securities he was perfectly satisfied, although he drolly believed that the leist acuity Weald be foetid in the pasting of the tam . sure itself.. Lord MOUNTCHARLES rose to melte one of two observations, as the time was nearly arrived when the walleof that House would coaaeso echo Wilh the subject Wars thee ft"' night to night and from year to year. He would ask those who charged the Itittrae with being Priest ridden, what would be their fmlinp tr• nw their religious rites and area held 9p to scorn ? irmald they not also, to such 4 case, be disposed to show a stroqg edbecence to their faith ? He was not the amide@ of the CitliOlfc Religion, but be would say that there was nothing Mere degradipi to a Roman Catholic than to ask hint to vote fur Repesentatife who was opposed to it, - and those who believed Mil. • He thanked his Majesty's Government sincerely for their Istembrence in the question, for, had the) not interfered a the batch *Agit have been fought sulaatilinilif for year.. He must, hog' VFW, espreu his sorrow at the intended disfranchisement of the forty shilling freeholders, although he admitted it to be a soli cateatial to the tarrying of the measure. The genius of Cannim, awl the labours of and Fos bpd bees in vain directed to the pitahrisent of what the Right Hon. Secretary fee the Howe was about to bring to a happy conclusion. He trusted the Itlglik Hon. Gentleman would persevere, regardless of the angry ebnWtioos directed towards him, and looking lot hie reward from a grateful people. Lord PALMERSTON, though anxious to state a few reasons for lending his support to the measure, dr piecated any intention to trespass long upon the limed the Haus& His opinions Pete grounded on the sito•-, tiAo of liel4nd. • although they had been told la .t night by the Hon. Member for Newark (Mr. Sadler), whe spoke fortho brit time, and in a strain of eloquence pod alrili which even those who differed from him must wrimste-;-(Hear). But he felt in a high degree enbbar• ruled when about to touch on that important measure Which had,for its object the restating of tranquillity. re 1 0 .1 aeda The .111 0 0- Member seemed to think that he might &how prOtwaely from his varied stoles 4 f leatoing —hose history, ancient and modern—from political economy—flop all but the affairs of !mind. Be fore going . farther he would advert to the remarks d au Honourable Gentleman and an Honourable Ba. ronet made to prose that the • measure of relief was opposed to the views of those who founded the Revo lution of 1688, and formed the basis of the Comilla tion. He entertained the highest respect for the memory of the great men who rescued the nation from the dual dam of religious intolerance, end from the bondage of arbitrary power ; but be considered it was paying thee bad homage to practise th at very i ntolerance whet they had succeptfully resisted, and to deny w others those 1fg.41 which they bad established. An Houma.. able Melbber had brought forward the declarative of the Prim daf Orange, sad had contended that the views of those- who sealed the Constitution of 1688 were mainly dictated so the inclusion of Rosen Catholics. This be ,(Lotd•.Palareestop) would not admit; bat be would maintain that the declaration, if properly read, was in favour of* coutrary opinion, sad that it was ore levelled -particularly agaibst the C atholics, box chaff to protect.the laps from the pressure of arbitriry power. For what purpose had the Parliament been formed What was the objection of she Convaation, but to secs!. to such of,thasubients.d this realm at lived peaces*