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of the country.—( Hear.) This was a subject well-deserving the consideration of the house. First, the mode of assessment, next the appropriation of the money collected. The tax called poor-rates was applied to other objects. The subject wart, however, likely to he brought forward for discussion, and he would, therefore, abstain from any further remarks respecting it. After sane observations as to the impolicy of paying prosecutions for felonies, Re. out of the couhty sates, which pressed heavily in some districts, the noble earl apologized for detaining their lordships so long, not having any such intention when he rose to address them. The Marquis of LANSDOWN did not rise to go into any details on the topics alluded to by the noble earl who had just addressed the house, but he could not forbear making a few observations in consequence of what the noble duke at the head of his Majesty's government had stated. He gave the noble duke every credit for his sincerity in the belief that retrenchment had been carried as far as it could consistently with the interests of the country. Their lord ships were, however, aware that in a former session of Parliament, when some retrenchment was made, it was then said that no further reduc'tions could he carried into effect; but It was found that, by the application of Parliamentary investigation to the subject, re• dactions were still possible —and, indeed, retrenchments were made. The noble marquis disdained any wish to throw out imputations against the sincerity of the belief of the noble dukes or of the mem hers of the administration, that no farther n could be ef fected ; bat he (the Alarquis of Lansdown) Te ctVdot assume, be cause a considerable reduction had been made or was Intended, therefore no further retrenchment could be carried into effect. He, indeed, hoped, and should do so to the last day of the session, that a further reduction in the expenditure of the country would be ac. curnplished. The noble duke had adverted more particularly to the colonial expenditure, assuming the impossibility of carrying on a further reduction in that department. There were, however two views to be taken on that subject. The one was that which the noble duke had taken, by stating the minimum of 'expenses of civil and military establishments by which the* colonies could be main tained by the mother country; the other view was, to which the noble duke had not adverted, by introducing a good system of po licy and government, so as to enable the colony to assist the mother country. This was the most important view of the two—(hear.) He would not trouble the house with any detail on this point; but he could not help remarking that by introducing a good system of government into the colonies the expenditure would be greatly di minlithed. The petition was then read, and laid on the table. The Duke of RICHMOND presented a petition Caw the farmers and tradesmen of Louth, in Lincolnshire, and vicinity, com plaining of agricultural distress, and praying an inqsiry into the subject. "As I have, my lords, given notice of a motion for a se lect committee to inquire into the internal state of the country, so tar as the working chew are concerned, I will not trouble your lordships at present with any further remark than this, that I have heard with considerable pleasure the speeches of my noble Mends, and I hope, from what they have stated, to be supported by them on Thursday next."—(Hear.) Earl D tRNLEY moved I;;return of the contract pries of timber, of whatever description, used in the navy for the last twenty years. He was ready to give full credit to his Majesty's govern. ment for their desire to economise and retrench; and he hoped to see some retrenchment in the stores, and what he might call the dead stock in his Majesty's dock-yards. He concurred in the ob servations made by the noble marquis respecting the widely of Sierra Leone. Viscount MELVILLE had not the slightest objection to pro. duce the returns moved for. He could assure the noble earl that there was every wish on the part of goventment to reduce the Stores in the dock-yards to the lowest possible state that the nature of the thing would admit of. Their lordships were aware that an order was made, at the time that Lord Sandwich "was first lord of the ad. miralty, to have three years' consumption of timber. This order, however, did not come into full operation until many years after wards. It would not be expected of him (Lord Melville,) not being aware that such an allusion would have been made, to go into de. tail on the subject. The returns were then ordered. VOILEIO% coax. The Earl of MALSIESBURY moved for returns of feevtgn corn • brought into this country from the period that the last awn bill passed, the 15th July 1828, to February 1, 1890, with the amount of duty paid. Lord CALTHORPE presented a petition' nom the Chamber of Commerce of Birmingham, against the renewal of the East India Company's Charter. The noble lord also presented two peti tions against the truck system, from Dudley and another parish in Statiordshire. Adjourned at twenty minutes pat Six. - HOUSE OF COMMONS, THURSDAY. SrtAKEE took the chair shortly before four o'clock. Mr. PUSEY, the new member for Rye, took the oaths and his seat. The SPEAKER proceeded to the House of Lords to bear the Royal Assent given to several bills. On his return he communi cated to the house that the Royel Assent had been given to some money bills, &c. A gentleman from the Dank of England presented a return, pre.. viously ordered, of the gross amount of bank annuities. On the motion of Mr. Alderman WOOD, the New London Bridge Approaches' Bill was read a second time, and ordered to be committed. _ _ _ -- I;.3ADLER presented a petition from certain landholders near Leeds, against the Leeds and Selby Railway Bill.—Laid on the table. Mr. MARSHALL moved that the bill (the Leeds and Selby Railway) be read a second time. Mr. SADLER, in an address of considerable length, opposed the second reading of the bill, on the pound of the great injury it would do to private property in that district. Re stated that several influential individuals of the county, (amongst others 6,llr.Walker, a magistrate of the county) whose residences were in the line of the intended railway, would leave a mound 16 feet in height thrown up within a few feet of their doors. and others were to be surrounded by deep intrenchments 40 feet in depth, so that their property must be materially deteriorated in value. He wished that the second reading of the bill should be postponed. Mr. MARSHALL yoke in favour of the bill, and pointed out the great advantages that were likely to accrue from the undertaking ; 'and he considered that so fathom the undertaking injuring the pro. l perry in the neighbourhood, he thought it would enhance its value. Mr. R. F. WILSON opposed the bill. Mr. SYKES supported the bill, and considered the discussion of the private claims of individuals had better be referred to the com mittee on the bilL The bill was ordered to be read a second time, and to be coin. mined. Sir CHARLES /110 ROAN presented a petition from John Mog. geridge, against the practice of paying labourers in goods instead of money—Laid on the table. Sir W. HEATHCOTE presented a petition from the owners and occupiers of land in several passages about Kingselear, complaining of distress, and praying an inquiry into the causes and remedy.— ordered to be printed. LAST INDIA COMPANY. Me. MARSHALL presented a petition from the Philosophical 'and Chemical Society of Bradbury, against the monopoly of the East India Company.—Ordered to be referred to the committee on the East India Company's charter. Lord STANLEY presented a petition from the merchants, ma. nufacturers, and others, inhabitants of the town of Blackburn, in Lancashire, nitinst the renewal of the East India Company's Char. tee —Referred to the Committee. ' Mr. WARD brought up the evidence taken before the said corn. 'llium up to the prevent time, and moved that it be printed. Mr. HU3IE begged to call the attention of the huUse to the sub ject then before them. It was now 14 days since the committee be. pa its sittings, and this was the first report of the evidence that was given to the house. What he was about to my applied to the 'committee upon the trade to China. Those who were acquainted 'with the nature of the evidence taken before the committee knew how important It was to have the examinations of each day, if pos. sible, laid before the house, and given to the public. . If tbe com mittee was to report only at the end of each 14 daps, few would take the trouble, or would be able, to follow them. It would be for the convenience of thebouse. and of each of the members, if reports were made at shorter periods. He could not make a motion on the Subject, but he threw out these observations in order to see what wart the pleasure of the house. Mr. STEWART said be concurred in what fell from the hon. member. A difference of opinion arse in the committee with re , spent to the periods of making their reports. • The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said, as one of tbs committee, he was aware a discussion arose among them as to the convenience of repeetlag dm evidence. He thought the end of every fortnight was the meet eareentent. He did not know that the boiler ever interfered to mined the discretion -of its committees in this respect. If the hen. member hug any object to answer by more frequent re t r4 he ihould have eased It, or name the periods at which be t the meilminee sheeddeggon. - Lord ALT ORTE oils of eginisis gait .thecommkter ought to report in_ and at ocesniehinenernob." The CHANCELLOIref . the 112EMEellilt thought it ne. crisary that each report " sbeuld protest a conneeted view of the • • ,subject r. WART, 'said .14 wag. quite euipileed-ke *Oho came taken: bf the bligAble Meltable • fee Abided& Ike enesnattent desired ' is even to 'within - if the hewn . Defay'might be of advent* fit'one ineusste. nod of diabolist, insbeetiir: Mr. S. RICE said that the object of the oloratterwM ft sera at the convenience of the house It was thought better to report, at 1 the end of Mx sitting deletion every day. •Alr. UUME felt there was great toxietY hi the public mind to obtain infentation as non .aa poestble. He Amid not, however, oppose the feelings of the house on the subject. DISTRISS ON TNIt cottotralt. Sir C COTTRELL prelentea &petition from the inhabitants of Leominster, complaining of distress, and praying for relief. NAST lINTTORD. Mr. F. CLINTON presented petition from certain inhabitants of East Retford, and from the Alienator and Bailiffs of that town, against the bill for its disftanchisement.—LeM, on the table. LUNATIC CONNISSIONIL Mr. M. A. TAYLOR brought in a bill to diminish the expense in proceedings De Lunatic° Inquirenda—Read a first time and ordered to be read a second time on Friday Ne'nnight. SUPPLY Or WATER. Aft. PALLMER, moved for various resume respecting the supply of water to the metropolis and the borough of Southwark. STATE OF THE COUNTY FERMANAGH. Mr. O'CONNELL said, he had to move thai a copy of the petition addressed to the lord lieutenant of Ireland, 'by Francis Sl‘Brian, a prisoner in Inniskilleu gaol, should be laid before the house. He, at the same time, wished to ask a noble lord opposite, whether a proclamation had not been issued by the lord lieutenant of lrelabd, for the purpose of putting down party processions, and whether a certain judge, who, is his charge to the grand jury, had commented on that proclamation, had not recently been appointed by the lord lieutenant to the particular court to which it chiefly referred ? - Lord F. L. GOWER said that the first question put to him by the honourable and learned member for Clare, was, whether a pro clamation had not been issued by the lord lieutenant of Ireland for the purpose of putting down party processions? It was scarcely neeeseary for him to my that such a proclamation had been issued, and that by the answerof the law oaken of the crown. The second question was, as to whether the lord lieutenant had not recently appointed to a particular court a certain judge who had commented ,on that proclamation ? To this he could only reply, that all such appointments wire left entirely to the judges themselves, nor was it right that the somnolent should by any maim interfere with them. Mb O'CONNELL said, he only regretted that the government of Ireland bad not:gone much further than it bad yet done in put ting down party-spirit. The motion was then agried to NOW.IIIIIIDEXCH or • CLZIIITNAH. Mr. O'CONNELL said he had three petitions to present from the inhabitants of the Union of Fozfonl, in the county of Mayo, and one of them was signed exclusively by protestant& This pe. tition complained of the misconduct of the vicar, the Rev. John O'Rourke, who, they allegrd, had been absent from his parish ever since - 1817,.a period of 13 years, in =sequence of which, they were deprived of spiritual advantages from his services, while many rrsons hid relapsed into what they termed the errors or the Roman Catholic Church. They turthn stated that be never visited the sick, and provided no means of instruction, so that the children of the protestant inhabitants of the parish would have been left without any means of receiving education were it not far the catholic!, who supported a school at their own expense. The next petition was cadielies and protestant*, and it stated that they lied offesed the vicar a composition of 3171. a year for his tithes, and that he re. fused to sant it. They, therefore, prayed that compulsory ONIB• eons might be taken by the house to oblige him to do so. The third petition was signed by no less than 7,000 individuals, and It stated- that the Rev. John O'Rourke was not only a non-resideat, but a tithe fanner, and that be never attended in the slier . de. gree either to the temporal or spiritual wants of his park It that in 1822, when such general distress prevailed in IrelaW, be never contributed one farthing towards relieving it, whilst he refused a tithe composition of 2001. a year for one pariah, and 3171. a year for another, though the lay incumbent's charge was only one.third of what the vicar demanded. Laid on the table. . . CATHOLIC HECIIIIIIITS AND MAIIIILIONS. Mr. O'CONNELL gave notice, that on the 4th of May next, be should move for leave to bring In a bill to place the charitable done. tions of Catholic on the same footing with those of ?rotation Dis senters ; and also to tender valid all marriages celebrated by Catholic priests; and to repeal the law inflicting certain penalties on Catholic Ca priests f thol or performing the ceremony of marriage between Proteitank and k.s. PAILIAXIXTARY REFORM. Mr. O'CONNELL gave notice that be should on the oth of May, move for leave to bring in a bill for Radical Reform, for the purpose of correcting abuses in the Commons' House of Parliament.' ICAST INDIA COMTPAYT. Mr. A. CAMPBELL presented two petitions from Glasgow, praying that the charter of the East India Company might not be renewed.—Referred to the committee. PUBLIC RECOIDS. Mr. PROM EROE moved that returns of the expeaei lacurrei by the Commimioners of Public Records be printed.—Ordered. CATHOLICS or GALWAY. Mr. T. S. RICE said he bad a petition to present from the Ca tholics of Galway—a town, the only one in the' empire , which was remarkable for the unfortunate distinction of civil disabilities still existing in consequence of the religious opinions of the inhabitants. He wished to say one or two words explanatory of the subject of the petition. It appeared that by an act of George the First, passed for the express purpose of encouraging Protestantism in the town of Galway, any Protestant merchant or artificer was entitled to the freedom of the place after seven years' residence therein. The con. sequence was, that in the exercise of this right Protestants had the whole elective franchise of the town in their hands, to the exclusion of the Catholics, even after the relief bill had passed—a bill, the object of which was to restore to Catholics those constitutional rights which penal enactments had taken away. The petition sought to remove a grievance existing under a particular system and he trusted that the feelings of the house would* in favour of the prayer of it. He hoped that no one in that home e would wish to see the continuance of such a state of things as that of which the petitioners complained. The inhabitants of Galway stated that they hod invariably proved themselves faithful and loyal sableets at all times, front the time of the rebellion In 1641 to the rebellioneof 17981 when they raised sod maintained a military force at their own expense. They likewise represented to the house that the town had considerably increased in commercial wealth, in proof of which they alleged that the revenues of one particular district, which heinerly amounted only. to 31,0001. a year, were now 114,0001. a Tsar. He sincerely hoped that Galway would not remain an ex. caption to the wise and salutary measure which received the sane. the of the noose last year. He now wished to give notice that he dieuld, on Wednesday next, move for leave to being in a MO he placing the Protestants and Catholics of Galway on the miss footing. On the motion that the petition do lie on the table, Mr. PROTHEROE supported it, and expressed his hope that the subject would meet with the sanction of Government. Mr. Secretary PRhL said the decided of j 'eet of the Act of last year was to place the Protestants and Catholics on an equal footles, in every respect, but there might be different modes in it. No civil disqualifications ought now to exist on the g m e VI religious opinions. He should not, however give any opt*. as t• the mode by which they were to be done away. Lord L. GOWER concurred entirely in the sentiments • by his right hon. friend that no civil disqualiikoileni ougll asp to exist on the ground of religious opinions ; belle Jesse to himself, in the OW mount as his right hon. MOillef right of giving his opinion u to the mode by whisb tikm.wees lobe 'abolished. Sir. R. INGLIS didmot consider that any special epplietties on the subject was at all necessary, as the Act could sive. tbe ponies all the Misting was required. Mr. Secretary PEEL said that as the law not stemiany Pones. tut, who had resided seven years in Galway, might claim his free. dam as a matter of right. Now tits Protntuts and .Catholics might be put on an equal footing, either by dcog Protestatus of their fr eedom. or by granting the same pri to Catholics. As he had already stated, it was the intention of Act that both parties should be placed on the same footing.. In the immix of Galway and other corporate towns this might be dens, while the right of selecting prayer persons for corporate offices might still be reserved. W. WYNN did not think that Protestants and Catholics ought to be Owed on the same footing by taking away tbeidghts of one patty. This was a mode of equalising which he mold Dot ap. prove. He would not take away a right from the Protestants and give it to the Catholics; neither would he give to any municipal bod a right which it ought not to possess. i r. Secretary PEEL explained. All he had said was, that the Catholic. and ts ought to be placed on the same footing. He did not, however. urge any particular opinion as to the mode in which that &said be done in the present instance. , • Mr. O'CONNELL said that the bill of last year was 'omen into operation every where except in Galway . That town, bow. ever,' &deed so advantage from refusing to Catholics the Moe rights which Proemilitti enjoy* forty-shillbig•frediolders voted' bt unlimited umbers, and MOS! of the freemen hod ni llv wham. in the town.. With respect to the proposition feel e l awa y the *Woe the Pretortagta, he felt aroured 'that the Cashel's@ w ould much rather that theft petition should be rejected • des that my Mimed dist kind should be done.—.-He ibrd' gentlemen would set omit* that the bill which heohetaill hp'. after move fee loam is roma fee the eonsideeation . e.eto• ham would • have • the- elks • of• dirrambing any privilege Sr: I peassessai by the Illerradimpv 40114061 Ping with may. by to. tablielsol by them fee •dielr-ouss• reguistfaa. to di a l whir. a asmate.peesed Ismer Mom, to Ilipties49r• for whisk statute was Dow gone by ; and the only wey in which , .. such a statute so circumstanced could be dealt with tralWilkfiter astute. r ati te, •Ma ;AMES DALY 'poke t he the* peopled exaceiving that it wouldabrogate the eights of die in that altftethm. Blr C. WETHERELL said that the neceeiary onsequences of the late Relief Billy* that there should be an alliollacibill of pd ' vllcgis amongst all classes. Then: might be some dianspieetes al points of controversy, which would require considnaties. When tho proposed maitre should be brought forward, these could bo maturely disoo;ce s rl. ~. aill . , ! Mr. NORT begged to the **notion of the house shortly to the history of At * matter. In the reign of George the First the town of (Way was very Catholic, and it was the policy at that time to inmate the strength of the law In the mode of Interfering with the municipal regulations of the town—end a privilege wad given to every Protestant tradesman or artificer, who had, been resident • for seven years in the town, of claiming his freedom as a might. (Hear, hear.) This was done to induce tants of other pans of the country to come and settle in Galway. Butz. Hey as now at an end—it was now foe ever passed by a better and a more liberal policy, had taken Its place. The' new po licy requited that Catholics and Protestants should be upon an eqnslity of privilegea. But how was that to be done ? • The manifest mode was to withdraw from the Protestant the wt. fair advantage which bad been given him by the first bill, and to restore the town to the circumstances in which it had been before the statute was pained. It was a fallacy—certainly a fitikey adopted for obvious purposes--but still a fallacy—to argue 'that the true mode was to elevate the catholic to the false level to which the pro. tenant had unjustly been raised fora particular purpose. The only true way of remedying the injustice was to repeal the measure which had given one party an advantage. Mr. LAMBERT complained of the discontent and animosity produced in the town of Galway by the Inequality if the law, and usid that there would never be either OM or qty at any eke** in the town while such a sourte ardlisentlea tamed. 'The people were nasally diecomentedat seeing the eataters driven is like a heed of cattle to take their privileges out of their bads. Tiny were actually seen wound into the . town tketno et Me of eel. diem. It was impossible kir any mais pineal" MOM 1M1M10.4. endure such degradation. In a population ef MAO page, Ma, would the house suppose was the number of Mika laliallffiato 9 Only one thousand, and those principally the Maas of the Ilea's& able member. Mr. O'HARA expressed his desire to vote*** Aiwa Stikkih would conduce to the harmony and tranquillity of the lowa. The motion was then agreed to. In answer to a question from Mr. Banal., The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said he Wade some inquiries, the result of which he w oul d communicate. Sofa time back &difference of opinion had existed whether prints or maps, in illustradon of works to which they were attached, should be dale ' to duty as books, or should be charged for as separate prints. There Imo every desire to put the matter upon a fair footing, and the dpi. idea of the board was, that when prints Or Maps reeved only to IL legate the books of which they formed part, they should b a t i t a t= lier by weight as books, but when they were bound up by , .without the letter.prem, or the letter-mem served only to dlarate ihrilts, the duty should be eharged as prints or maps and lot sea That was the state of the law upon the point. • Mr. BERNAL mid that no law was More objectionable oe maw Bible to abuse:. If be was correctly informed, the 2ini e rho were charged with the execution of it, did ai r n etr is erto . . , spirit or the regulation of that late . They eddied seps. sate duty for prints or maps, not only when they were bead op to. , gesket but when they were merely . illustrative of the work to whin they belosapd. He knew that th is hail been the case with regard te a geographkel work published by Dulau and Co. and also in o th er instances. He bad seen a letter inquiring the reason of the akin.. tion In the regulations, and it appealed that the Ciatern.houie of- 1 Bees altered than. Prints which were bound up with books were charged separately from the works which they illustrated. Plain prints were charged one penny, and coloured ones two-pence each, notwithstanding that they were merely illustrative of the works. He was convinced that if the regulations were properly drawn up, and explained to the officers at the different ports, no more would be baud of these improper charges. The CHANCE - LLOR of the EXCHEQUER alai ma ter wan * that the tegukdoos were as ha had gaited that. 1111* ~ • Custom-honeo *lions might heve deviated Provo the* wen If the hen. gent. would (=lilt to the Treasury a s tie particulate which he bed now mentioned to the house It wadi be sasptible, in order that the matter might lie inquired into. Mr. PEEL moved for as address tp his majesty, praying that the second report of the Commisehmenof lanky Into the proceed- Inge and practice of the artier courts of law might be laid upon the table. ., „ . Mr. BROUGHAM map to renew a 'notice of his. which bad stood in the paper for Wednesday. He *had to apologise to the house for not having. b een present yesterday, but it sae a salient. don to him to know that no Inconvenience had arisen to any oat from hie absence, as it was blown that he meant to postpon e his minion. W be. gave.podee of his motion he expected that the report ot. .. the Cammissioners of Inquiry would have been presented before the time,* which he fixed it, and that upon the report being r:=:every member Would have immediate access to it. That, , 4 was not the case. The reason of his pottponieg his motion, in consequence .of the report not being received, was obvious. He bad not seen the report, but be believed, that it ' did proceed in a certain degree, although not very fully, upon the ground to which big motion referred. He wished - to fake ' this opportunity of renewing his motion for Thursday, the 99th of April, which was the earliest open day abet the Easter , seems. He had again to apologise for his absence yesterday, bee he really did not expect that a house* would have been made, the baba of the night before having detained gentleinen to so late ea howa...The motion was then agreed to. • Mr. BROUGHAM presented a petition from a town in York shire, praying for the abolition of West India slavery. in moving that it should be printed, he begged leave to ask the right hon. gentleman, the secretary fur the colonies. whether he was prepared I *give any information as to the intentions of government with to the reins of the colonial . judicature, and particularly ga s t es 71.1 1 11= 11 1.1 ; 84"t-illillhei l datunit:t liab iredbe. k militak to ebeen d w i as ffi borf at 7dbries I g tig. higf9sr On wtofarol e tw i ' m ardthw portast iewa:14111". - Ont. WWI 1111 be glad to see receive immediate attendee , aos that aid* to the adequacy of receiving the evident* of . :ffitersons Al . ll* *owes. . 0 ..MUIRRAY said disc,. *Asa expaliture, he was not a sot to give any de fi nitive answer,rot 10 say whether icy .. ye measure could be introduced daring this session or eat ; but be would use his Mit "endeavours to Wig Skald mine tie sure, if not of complete, at feast of some partial masa. . It wee then ordered that the petition should he patted. • .. Sir F. BURDETT begged to ask the right hee. secretary at net, whether be lad any obj. aim to tumid: a return of the number : fzishments in the arena, for the last 12 months, throughout the p kingdom ? Sir H. HARDINGE said that he certainly had a eery strong objection to give a return of the number of punishments, because that would have the effect of representiug in an unfair light certain regiments which happened to be placed in peculiar circumstances.— The number of punishments in a regiment must depend upon* the circumstances in which it was placed : some might he p lea d in situations of great temptation, and others of little or none. The punishments depended upon the locality. and would, of course; vary apeordieg so eiraintstaners.. list a return such as the hon. bargees wished for could not stake the neceisary*distinetion, and ft would, therefore, be unfair; Sir FRANCIS BURDETI' *asked If such manna had not been made. Sir H. HARDINGE said he believed that there never bad been any such returns; ad be conceived that salt would be • I say ob. jectiouable mode of communicating information. He had no Objec tion to inform the hon. baronet What was - the ainipstative Somber al' punishments; and he hoped the hon. baronet would be *defied' with receiving that Inforinatiou, without calling for a detailed ratan to be laid on the table. eTATt Or TINS CHUNCII IS IWICLAYD. Sir J. NEWPORT said he had often . had occasion to pray, jilt' indulgence of the bow, and at resent be stood peculiarly in need of it, from the t of the subject which he hall to brie( be. fore the house. aaiiis !adequacy to do *tire to it. Ile was hilly sensible that isiwiegleg Ihrward the question which he wee now about to Isaacs to the notice. of the house, and in ceiling' attar. , den to the stale of the established chorch in Ireland,. be bed tint dankest a.teeit stbith required far greater talent than his to delis none its lapwing, t maid he claimed no credit * any th ing that he bad dear Maio anfort v fxcept th e seal with which he bad, in. nearly .20 yeseejointarl to procure an examination into the Idioms of the establishodiltisesh. Is was hit anxious desire tit* allotf the isvanes. of the established church should .be those the mmt welghty pm 54 '' .dutles. .whiek wan, , ' that establhfttent . • . _ . . those upon whom' — some sheer at the „o blation. wan enitignol o t o t viseraggas. Ma adiamooks Ait Abe Aral OW 'Attie intistion” tiao aim& no mos trinll4, .todemina bialialatiiit Ise Oast hat die iikrty eta thiush ebtablisbanit Welly as he could, eenslatentl i Fr • w ith the details neceatery to elect. date the subject. He begged re to as • that he hoped, in *h o e be was about to car, heaOu near be • es wishing to im. 'pair,' bat, on the contrary; to okippoTT sod uphold the church establishment: . He was the best Kali of the establishment who directed attention to its evils in order to their removal, and not he, who, knowing of the existence of emir evils, continual and upheld them. Lord Bacon had put i say sensible and Important question on this subject. lit this, as in all his other sentiments, that eminent *Titer displayed hie intelligence and sagacity. He asked why it was that the Established Church should not be regulated by wholesome laws framed every three or four years, with a view to the remedy of abeam, u chance or time might render it necessary, and why, contrawise. the Eceleshistial state dhotild cotitinue through the stretch of time and receive no alteration ? This was a very pow question; and it was truly observed by the same writer that " Tbie is the greatest of all innovators." The abuses of the eueablished church would afford a full justification of this remark. The commence. meat of the reformation in Ireland disclosed one of the most extra. ordinary pieces of legislation ever exhibited in any country. Under the auspices of Queen Elisabeth the Aet of Uniformity, which was passed in England, was introduced into Ireland verbatim, except that a clause was added at the end, which would be admitted to be of as extraordinary character. Its effect was, that as in most plates hh Ireland there could not be found ministers to perform divine service, or to administer the sacrament, or rad the common prayers in the native tongue, sad as few of the people could read Irish, it should be lawful for the ministers or priests in such places to read the prayers and perform the service in the Latin lengthy. So that; because the priests did not understand English they war to read the service in Latin; and the people, who understood neither Latin nor English, were to hear the service mid in a language, of which they did not understand a syllable. He would now take a view of the prog ass of the reformation in the time of James the First. Acc sting to Sir John Davis, it appeared that in the ecclesiastical otadOrs of Illeseglwat, Fermanagh, and Ca. van, there were ten parishes under one minister ; they were in the diocese of the Bishop of Mame, and he had also the parsonage of Trim, which was one of the best in Ireland. He was also possessed etemether diocese, and there was so service in either diocese. From means width be bad, it appeared that there were on an average 300 acres belonging to each living in the diocese ; but in one living, to which 1,300 saes were attached, there was no glebe house, and the incumbent was non-resident, holding another living with 400 acres and a glebe house. How could the service of the church be pro perly administered under such regulations ? At a subsequent pe riod provisions were made for the building and repairing of churches. At that period Roman Catholics were shut out from the vestry, and the whole tof the church was in the hands of the pro. tenants. It d not -v, however, that they took any very great • churches • . ap, interest in their condition pea for many , were found in's - state of decay at the time of the Union, and grants had since been made by'rirliametit for rebuilding them. He thought its very hard case whete the Seinen Catholics had been shut out from the vestry, and the Protestants not performing their parts, that when the churches tumbled doWn the people should be called upon to *build them. About the same time measures were taken for uniting and die. uniting parishes. The second of George I. was passed for this purpose, and in sixty.two years from that time thirty-seven parishes were united, and thirty.seven disunited—exactly an equal proper. thin of each. Preen that time to the year 1800, when tillage in. awed, and consequently the necessi for uniting parishes was diminished, yet twenty-five were unit ed, and only seven disunited. So that as the provision increased which rendered such unions un. necessary, 'still, instead of decreasing, they increased. In the eights's yaws down to 1818 there were thirty-four parishes united, and but eight dileanited. It certainly would be but just that, in 'littlipiidon as' Su' mans of support derived !torn separate perishes wk. charged, the nutnber of unions should be diminished ; but instead of that, the clergy went on uniting them. Several of these churches, Gene of them cathedrals, had no service performed in them, mei the ounimion was excused by the incumbents, on the that they were either so dilapidated, or out of repair, that t r t m sr u otd be inconvenient or dangerous to collect a congregation therein. The consequence was, naturally, that the Protestant I'ami. lies in those districts were on the decline, and they became converts to a faith which was upheld with greater seal. Dr. Pocock, Bishop of °sooty, in estimating his diocese in 1731, calculated there were 1,180 Protestant families in it, whilst in the late census they were not reckoned at mere than 711 families ; and what proved more strikingly the declension of Protestantism was, that, in the former estimate, the gross population' was taken at 42,000, whilst in the recent MUM the aggregate population amounted to 83000. By Mr. Tigbe's Survey, the number of acres of church property were found to amount to 1100,000, or as mach as four of the largest shed counties of Ireland. Many parishioners were NB eleven miles away from any church, notwithstanding this enormous charge for religious purposes, which in such parishes amounted to 14d. an acre for mere church rates. It has been said by the right hon. the Chancellor of the Exchequer dust the money granted for build ing and repairing churches had Dot been iinprowidently spent In in highly-ornamented edifices t be stated that, no grant to any eburth, therefore, had exceeded 1,1001 . or 1,3801. Now, with **et to this fact, he bad ascertained, beyond a peedbility of its being refuted, that in many instances advances bad been made to the amount of 3,0001. or 4,3001. and in some instances to 14,0001. The next point to which he should address a few remarks was the condition of the beneficed curates of Ireland, and should take, as a tolerably accurate sample of niany of them, that of a person respecting whom he had made strict inquiries, and found that he had been ordained in 1773 t he had at that time, and for thirty-six yawl after received a salary of 401. a-year, always 'aiding at an old dilapidated glebe house, until it fell down— and he was obliged, out of his income for the latter year of that period, to find himself with a miserable residence suited to his diminished means. After being turned out of the enviable situation by a voting gentleman who was unborn even after that old curate had been ordained, and in whom the superior merit consisted in his undertaking to do for his rector, a pluralist. the .duties of two churches he held i be was placed on another at 604 a.year, then One at 001. sad finally Meet of et dfl-fivo years' siedes as a working curate, to a salary of 751. a. ear, Itish ampap—in which currency the rector took care to pay him, tZI Wan contrary to the rule by which the rector was paid i th currency,) and reducing this worthy old curate's in. Om tut . Nada. mould be mere piteous than the case of this dial, person,whase dams hid been acknowledged Une 1 WC dais if ylaptlpadeat ib. labour Y in et his v hing ion wa this worthy for y polite walk if hollesibekonswgis, be thrown without ' resouree, M esteem ofil ar, am the chalky sad compassion of strangers, there Is litiolwiaperaanttation ecclesiastical fund. One of these six bl ast happamatt to be the bishop of Limerick prow bishop of Yems,) w must be cognisant of all those facts, and was yet the loudest in his aseenimm that there was no ground for alleging that abuses existed in the edablishment. There were deductions of ea. lary alsO, Which bilthought quite unwarranted- nor did they now 'Mount, es it had bear a lle ged by aright hon. gentleman, to a salary of from lOW. to 751'each—ror only three were of that amount, and the rest were Gill. each. One of these . cuses seemed to involve a most sin ular economy, with a disregard of the spiritual welfare of three in which the dears choral were the incumbents. The 570 . 7 i the one was dew by a rev. gentleman for a salary of 18/. 19s. 2d. a year, and that of each of two others at N. is. od. making a total for all the thee* duties thus palbemed of 36'. lib. Thus the poor curates were obliged to submit to is deprived of that which the law allowed them, for, should they to complain, their superior coolly acquainted them that bs should do his own duty. and would dispense with their enviers. The tight hon. baronet, after entering into a minute calculation to show how inadequately the lower classes of the lash clergy were paid from the quantity of bocksiastical land le Ireland, which was taken by a...timeless amount ing to 249,000 acres of the best land in Ireland, costeludal with moving as address wide nntiestY; fur " The appointment of a 'Commission, selected from the Privy Connell of leelanikhatrocted with as little delay as may be practi cable, to proceed In a syttematie *examination of the several drocestes of Ireland, ali 10 tied state of the unions of parbiseecon:shied therein —the atitharity turd* which Stich unions Pave been effected—the value of the several 'parishes so united:—their contiguity or remote. isors*ont liaelfother, and frOM theseveral churches contained therein "and the &titles or finpropricty of their continuing so united whey' ever the bend in Weir they art comprised shall become vacant by deatfibit Offends.; and to report, torn time to thee, their Pro* mains' in'sneffezantimition to his majesty. "'That hit'Stiejelty orgy be pleased to direct that strict inquiry be Made by the 'Mdtbiihops and Bishops of Ireler.d fronetbe bens• ilard'clergy itt Itiland, issembled at their visitatioos and otherwise annually,lis'ilt their 'duct payment to their wend emotes of the 'fondant if.'Weenq stipidated by the act of pediment be paid to them a pe fslikaanie of• the dutiesdesolving on such curates, in &Irish' curfews, without any other deduction therefrom than such 'eels enpeewlystiT:lated by the said am. 4, That - Nis !Its ty . may be pleased to direct that • there be laid 'hbute - respretinglthe legal •pmeers - -'- of those I Wont' eh* . tOn o uch fisfalinitiso, rarrelor the legal .pollers :ties .rti t ireh wereh l r t udiobil. opal* essableigeo pi r and that ou r* which th e se ' a iddliallivig fiat-' s' prataing plc' nor upon whom Ars diet Vioglly PordblOt be labour should tupir l ' ofin of ' arrarro Otsubo% 'now lOW the ham to tae atom at till bind. .Mr hail barb to Mien that the diatri. j u d ge s r the' es p e di eue y I r f •rotimmag -aer. boillierbon at 1 141 0 am. was atia. and dot those obi Ishooridi bi mowers oT of rosnoviar anyobleoMbe aldebstagroow londir el- -1 vi:Lamakmard-nwilit the aa l ! 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