Star. — London, England, 1812-06-23 00:00:00

„, a b e en the ardent supporter of tittie .;;trims ; that ; en of the most various views on other subjects, but t at imbued with warm philanthropic feelings, had concurred an this : if all this was taken into due co nsideration, it would be admitted that a body of aut h or ity existed sufficient in itself to decide the veipn), althu He ch tigh every other argument were left unemloyed. would now tou on the danger „ha was insisted on by depositing political power i n the hands of the Catholics ; and first, it was ob vino, that we had done so already, and that in the ' past dangerous way, for surely it would not be con. ten ded that there was more danger in admitting one ' o ared Catholic Gentlemen to sit in that House o n in letting loose so I.trge a body of Catholic elec too 25 were now empowered to send Representatives .10 p a rliament. The danger, he would own, might. be ret of admitting Catholic representatives in a 1 00 ,1 and limited Parliament, where they might in l ime entirely exclude Protestants; but now the mat ter was widely difltrent, and a hundred Catholic Members sitting in that House, where they would of ~o ss ity always be in a minority, was infinitely less & ar ms than to have the mass of a Catholic pope llama, armed with the elective franchise, and those excluded from power and merged in discon - by whom this formidable multitude would be m aaally influenced. Another argument brought to • the Catholic claims, was the influence which • ' ” hood possessed over the Peasant! y ; whom he I tisk, was the people who were not influenced by ,asthood ? And wasit not desirable that they should •be so influenced? If in the present instance this in we was ultra steduen, and if the priesthood were . I too near a level with their flocks, there.was; ..ea obvious remedy for both these evils—such as had •theen already resorted to were only calculatectsto pro- ;joie them. He was nernow prepared to come tar. , aard with any plan for foaming a provision for the Catholic Clergy, though some time or another such ,a,plan must be brought forward ; but preparatory to 'this and Hat r htaling meas.u:es, much might be done ifihe Catholics were in the hands of and made the , instruments of agitatOrs. He 'would say, rob them derety fretext for delivering themselves up into I such hands. These were only two methods of blunt ing the edge of disaffection, either by correcting the . purposes of the discontented, or wresting from them their instrument ;—to the former of these, perhaps, we - could not have recourse with any prospect of - success ; but to make use of the latter, kind that with effect, was entirely within our power. As _to the security which we demanded of the Catho lics, it could not be expected that they should he extremely quit k-sig heed to perceive tho danger ;against which we u ished to provide ; it was not their bushiess to propose such security, it would be mon- VT() i to maintain the converse of this proposition We felt thedanger it was for us to name theesectoisy we requited, and he had ntidotibt, that if rea - sortable, it mould be cheerfully acquiesced in. The lti"ht 'BIM. Member then expressed a h«pe . that nu tur f .puent effusion cf hostile feeling on the part of the • iraihulics would prevent the House front taking their aim into cnnsideration ; referred again to the unani may with respect to religious affairs prevalent on the Continent ; stated;thSt in the conduct he was now ,yirsuing lie had kept his eye fixeclain the auspicious /assures which - had More immediately led to the • makable settlement with respect to Irish commerce 1782, and to the ultimate abolition of the slave ,wade ; pass( d a high eulogium on the English Ca ' Mies, stating, that it Otis the wish of that respect- I able body of men, that the discussion of their more pwlicular claims should .be waved for the present, .kg it might operate to the prejudice of their lash • ,brethren ; and concluded by moving— Tim 'that the Heise will, early its •he next Session of Par- ham?, tabs into its most serious consideration the state of the ; Lk* affixing los Majesty's Roman Catholic Subjects in Great . hew and Ireland, with a view to. such a finsl and conciltatot y ellement as may be conducive to the react and strength of the I Theted Kiogdoni, to the startifltt of the !Pi °treat* rteabilsli net, artd to the rnerat satisfaenon and concord of all cla ;its of 1 ' 111 fiaj -sty'. Subjects.—(Loyd sheeria: from Op)* of thd Malt) 1 After the motion was secon de d, and put, General MATTHEW observed, that he had taken in every discussion upon this subject, except the • Morbid' was brought forward by a Noble Lord (lad Morpeth) in a manner that was, as he thought, lit designed and premature. He did conceive, that it wok have been more glorious for the Regent to slikastanted to the Irish people Emancipation as a beir.aod not as a right : such, he thought, would !mimeo the first act of his unrestr?cted reign, and Xit hid, the country would not now have been in its Pewit calamitous situation. It was too true that • *Lopes of the Irish people had been disappointed ; "the deprecated the manner in which the Prince • was attacked , upon the subject, for he was convinced -that, at the bottom of his heart, he was a friend to 'Maud and the empire at large. (fear,-Year.) He w aslure that, in recent events, he had been - misled, counsellors, who were ignorant of the state of .isslassf,and incapable of giving any advice on the sub- ',* I t. la the reb e lli ons o f 1715 a nd 1745, the Cithol cs . d beland remaioed tranquil, and protected a Protes- • L a it.lilla against his Protestant subjects. The Re al 1793 was sewn by the Vtesbyttrians, in dleNorth of Ireland; and nothing was done by the eaglalic 5, till in the departure of their favourite Lord ,_. nt, Lord Fitawilliant, they lost all hope of laripatien. By that event, the cup of Freedom datbed from their-parched lips, and bigotry, e ndollwance, oppression, cruelty, and, coercion, hcle the order of the day. Only for the death 4 a Protestant Nobleman at that time, behind "llld be now a free and independent Country.— SillltLa features !noticed the insurrection of 1803. Au Illustrious Duke, in another place, in a most excellent speech, which had been long before the Public, ckaily showed that loyalty had ever been the haw • t • enstic of the Irish people. It was the Mi ni4ets opposite (with the exception of a Noble Lord • Li° was not then in office) who had infected the tinct' c ter with their diabolical counsels, and who,• frk t , so, deserved impeachment. It any Member Would • impeach them, lie would be most ready to 'ald the motion.—(Loard laughing, and cries of hear.) Illfttime called for something more than a silent vote, and every m an , . the t , to etas not criminally indift•rent to welfare of his native land, should throw aside all :firconsiderations, and come forward to deliver 111 '..•o Plutons on thi s su bj ect w i t h trut h an d f ran k uess . Every ma • snt read in Ireland had declared himself against teniteof the system of intolerance which was guPt mteciilaky ebose o wh ey o sat opposite to him, who fed Oti Mla• hn • of the land, who came ?au . ~` .. : • . Pets into °Ace, and who now haAced in affluence and ease.—(Loud laughing.) " 0 People of Englend !" said the Hon. Member, 64 how long are these men to be allowed I 0 People. of England, how long are they to be endured t ,. —(Leteehing and hear.)—They should take care how they acted this night ; the ques ' eels went &teller than they thought ; the sacred flame of Liberty had kindled in Belfast, in the North ; had reverberated from Cork, in the South ; (Hear, hear.) and had extended from. Wicklow to Mayo.— (Hear, hear.)—Their decision would tell, whether they re presented the Minister of England or the People of Ireland. It had been said, that it would be open to the Members of the Cabinet to vote on the subject as they pleased. He could not perceive why Ministers thought the people of Ireland such weak idiots as to be gulled in this way; there were too many old sol diers among them to be taken by such a bad manciu vie.—f Loud laughing.)— He believed the Noble Lord (Castlereagh) wast e h onlmne among them who was sincere in what he said; he had considerable pro perty in Ireland, and he therefore feared for its safety, if he should object to the Motioa.—(Hear, If it was not carried, Cie rest of the Cabinet weeld have nothing to depend on for the support of their measures but the bayonet ; but, in his opinion, they would be more secure in giving peace to the nation, than if they converted every house in it into a barrack. He called on the House to rally now round the ban ner of independence ; in the hour of danger, the Mi nisters of England would leave them in the lurch, and they would remain as fixed figures for " the hand of scorn to point its slow and moving finger at."— ( Hear, hear.) —Fie concluded by moving, That, &stead of the wonls Harty it. the next Session; the following be inserted, • immediately taken into consideration, itc.' and that the House do resolve itsclf Into 4 Committee for that purpose on Thursday next. Mr. HUTCHINSON-seconded the Amendment. Mr. ° WELLESLEY POLE said, he should not long detain the House in delivering his sentiments. Ho persen could lament more thett.himself the intent penile Resolutions which reached town that morning, because he was apprehensive that they would be in jurious, rather than favourable, to the Catholic Ques tion. In those proceedings he found particular refer ence to himself, but in delivering his opinion upon -the Claims rf the Catholics, he should divest himself entirely rif all personal feelings. Whenever the ques tion of Catholic Emancipation was agitated in that House, he toota very small_partin the discussions, but he never said, that the doors to Enuti cipation should be eternally shut against his Majesty's Catho lic subjects. When the Claims of the Catholics were formerly discussed, the House was entirely ignorant of the sentiment of the Throne upon the subject, but at present the House knew that a Noble Lord lied been authorised by his Royal Highness the Prince Re-- Fent to form a new Administration, which should feel inclined to consider the Catholic Claims with a view to conciliation—( Crier of order, order.) He was sorry to feel himself out of order, but he knew, from very high A utlicri.y, that tl:e claims of the Catholics were to be taken into the mostserious consideration, and that many Gentlemen who had been adverse to. the admission of those Claims, lately wished !dilate Right Hon. Friend to bring the subject before Parliament and to concede the demands •of the Catholics - on the one hand, but on the other to obtain some security for .the preservation of the State and Established Churai. He agreed with his Right Honourable Friend,' that ; the present was a proper time to consider ofthe civil disabilities under which the Roman Catholics la boured, and be conceived that the intelligence which art ived in town that morning, strengthened his opi ' nion. At the same time he wished it to be tinder stood, that when he should vote in favour of,the Ca- 1 dllies, he should expect that security to be given on their part which our ancestors had thought necessary fOr the safety of the Constitution. Mr. RYDER. said, that from all he could bear and learn, there was not a likelihood of satisfying the demands of the Roman Catholics, without granting them the sante political power, which was by the Constitution • vested in Protestants. Nothing short of such a concession, would, in his opinion, be sad. factory to- the Catholics, and therefore, as he ex pected no such concession would be made, he could , not concur in a Motion which held out expectation, which could-not be realized. He hoped, however, that the 'time will soon arrive, when the Roman Ca tholics of Ireland would be free from that spiritual boas:age in which they now were, when only the i Legislature could concede their demands. Mr. IvIAUlt ICE FITZGERALD hoped that j there would be a general concurrence in the Motion. I The only objection he heard made to Catholic Email. cipetion was, that the Catholic people offered no secu rity.for the Protestant Establishment; but he wished ' it to be remembered that the Pope's authority had no reference to the civil rights of men who professed the Romaa Catholic Religion. I Mr. FULLER said, that no man he hoped would suspect him of e hostile feeling towards any religion `in which any man thought that he served GOD better than he did himself ; but there might be.reasons for keeping down the tenets of one religion, when they . watitea more than all the other dissenting sects. The tit'e deeds of his estate were the saute as, the title deeds of the constitution—(a laugh,) and he was sure no generous Irishman would ask hint to give up his 1 title deeds, without proper securities against their abuse. lie was glad that the question was put off. Ni man credit admire the Lush more than he did : they were a manly, fine, generous race ; they agreed perfectly in his sentiments, for they loved women and wine as much as he did.—( Loud aid relined herrn of langhter.) —Their religious tenets, however, prevented them from a greater share of freedom ; s .me of those enets credibility could hardly swallow, and lie thought he was right in asking them, as they believed so much already, that they would not believe much more— (a laugh.)—He was glad the preposition was to be put off, es he hoped they would be able to find intermediate means. Every man who wished well to the British empire, must be anxious to see its religious feel ngs and political strength united ; and if tied could be done, and this question of Catholic Eman cilation carried with perfect security to Church' and State, no man would be happier to grant it than him. Sir JOHN NEWPORT strongly supported the Claims of the Catholics. He denied that they were under any spiritual bondage 'which rendered them hostile to the established Church and Stete. With the Right Flmvittrable Ccntl:man he regretted the number of infamous pamphlets which anqually NA - peered against the Roman Catholics, which contained e. • ea t eeetie4e - elaie-eeel.e s Ke aejee , ae leeereseilWere ee.,.., i eeee g te , , ee . „ . l , ;asp ev, , titer aw e; , a ...:. . : • >,• . . . a renewal of thoto arguments which haibe.n refuted themselves. The Noble Lrrd tad them, he wet* ( centuries ago. This was not the time to write the friend to the Resolutina, hut, es a Mmister. he with' History f f the inquisition, an AccoU et,of tise Mas• not act in it. The Chancellor of the Exc. egeereaid secre of St. Bartholomew, or to set up the cty of the same, and yet those Mittisters would have in ad " No Popery," but it was fear the House. to deter- vise the Prince Reatilt e when the Raieolsition should mine, by its vote, whether the Union :with Ireland tie leid hefote his Royal Highness. Under ri:l these should continue or cease. circumstances, he cocceived that the victory obtained Mr. MARRY-AT hoped, that as the Honse had en this °cession for the Cathelics, had been gained not proceeded to a vote on the Orders in Council, mire by ihe indefatigable pet bev.rence of the Mem notwithstanding the evidence given, on the pert of ber for Dublin in the cause of his ceuntry, than the some of the manufacturers, of their distress, it would efforts of tote ' Rig'it Hon. Gentlemen who might not now, in the absence of all evidence, core.ent to claim the glary i f the day. emancipate the Roman Catholics from these disabi. Mr. PON:otINBY said, that Minfoteriladdeciared tido 4 0 04 lilies to which they were subjected by our ancestors. not he netted as aMI ieterod (oriel -u ; yi t threw Miitoters tat Mr. MATHEW MONTAGUEseid, he heped to tl4 be I , ('n ecn had , r giv T diircr gTe L u t o ',, n . c in a nil it. ,.. „ B .,t el h ir e t y tY ,. lll :„ ' a , i 4 he have the protection of the Speaker in delivering h;s g rata you male . them. sad •he timed -i Y •ee you placed its teem. sentiments upon the Catholic Claims, although con- Mr. CANNING made an able reply. The Que.rion was then Loewy cattier for, and strangers wets traw l , to those entertained by the Gentlemen opposite. It appeared to him, that the present Motion, if car- eac i ! . u fi t e le4 l when Gent rat Mathews Amenentent eat erealve4. tied, would not give that satisfaction to Ireland tkilicii —Non li .e then divided on Mr. Catiaing t motion— Ayes 105—Majority in favour of du Catlioiic% 1"9. was supposed, therefore he felt it his duty, whatever We understotet, afierward• last i e waa determined the Rose ' the consequences might bee to t:tke the senee of the 11111011 Sill Add he ininte•hately prosentod to the Plaice Regent, wi A th d e i li n t ar ev n ai ,d on a e t T fo u r a t e h z e cmeum-nee of :be t.urolo. i House upon it. He had that day learned, that i t o 'clock to this day. was the doterminatien of the Roman Catholics c.f ee---- •Ireland to accept of nothing short of unconditional Emancipation—an equality of civil privileges with the Protestants. Were that gtanted to them, it would be necessary to repeal the Test Laws, for the benefit of all Dissenters, who at present laboueed under the same disabilities as the Caddies. He would not at tempt to follow the arguments of his lamented Right Honourable Friend against the Catholic Claims, but, admiring his firm, determined spirit in resisting them, he should give his negative to the present Motion. The Honourable Member, in continuation, poineed out the danger of innovation. This principle, he said, was sanctioned by experience and history,. and lately by the example of France. He deprecated the temper of the Catholics themselves, and, advert. ing to the late Meeting in Dublin, said, that one of the principal Speakers there had represented the mo tion of the Rig:it Hon. Gentleman as a mere delu sum, calculated only to lull them asleep. He should vote against the Motion, as he saw no necessity for delaying a decision on the question. . - Mr. Pe't RNELleconsidered thee there was no dan ger existing ; no security, therefore, Vt as necessary. SirJ. NICHOLL had never heard what the con cessions were which the Catholics demanded, nor what were the securities which they were willing to give. As this might lead to the Catholic ascendancy in the country, he should vote against the motion. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER ex pressed his readiness te vote for the Motion, though on different grounds from those propmed by the Right Hon. Gentleman, nor dal he conceive that this vote would pledge him to any ultimate and definite mea sure. There were two measures on which it was al ledged Government had changed their opinion—Ca tholic Emancipation, and the Orders in Council. This, however, was 'not the case. "Our late lamented Chan cellor of the Exchequer bad admitted the expediency of taking into consideration the Orders in Council, and examining the complaints 'connected with this : subject. In this case the danger was immediate • and pressing, and it was under stood that, if the result of the investigation should requite a change 'of system, it should be resorted to. The other I case was not of the same immediate importance, lint might be afterwards subject to future occur rences. Such a charee, therefore, against the ' Government was groundless. Time, however, was ' the great changer, and, with respect to this subject, 1 it had made, and WAS making great changes.— ( /leer, i hear.) —The circumstances bad been lately consider ' ably altered. In depai trig, however, from a pi.licy that had been so long pursued by this country, it be- bored them to proceed with the greatest caution. Mr. (RATTAN gave the Government praise for i , its change of opinion on this subject. He looked on 1 the question as a bond of concord, and in that light ' the people of Ireland ought to view it ; and as a o meek of love simnel by the people of England to I them, he was sure it would have considerable effect i upon their minds. If the Minister would bring this Isubject forward himself next year, he (Mr. Grattan) would give way to him, and would be ready to se. 1 Icond and approve. Lord CASTLEREAGH said, that he was very happy that he had given way to the Right Honour ; able Gentleman, who on this occasion, as well as on levery former discussion of the subject, had treated it in that tone that was the most likely to reconcile all patties, and produce the most favourable result for I the cause he so ably advocated. It would be the bu siness of another Session to go more minutely into 1 this question ; at present, however, he thought it so 0 far necessary.to explaie the reason of his vote, as that i they should come to the discussion next Session with a i fuller knowledge of each other's opinions. It wail now a great number of years since he had first de: dared himself friendly to the measure, but an donee cle then existed which made the attainment of it at 1 that time impracticable. While it existed, no agita- tion of the subject in Parliament could have been at tended with any public good. That obstacle, how ever, no longer existed, *nor was there at this moment i any obstec.e that_he was aware of between the wiii- 1 . dogs of Parliament and execution of any measure* they should melee on. He therefore thought, the, time for bringing the subject into discussion bed limit arrived ; and it no other Member had brought it tar, ward, he should have thought it his dutyto do so. . Mr. TIERNEY said, it was necessary ter the ince I cess of the question, that it should receive the sin:ere and cordial support of Government ; that to folloui it up in any other manner was likely to defeat the object which the House had in view. He amnia this a necessery act of the sincerity or their pre.es. sinus, and that they mu,t either give it their support * or, by professing to act indifferently, frustrate any attempt at conctlietion, and kale the affairs of the Catholics and of the Country in a worse state thrigi they are at present. Sir J. C. HIPPESLEY wished to see seem-kid established tec protect the. Protestant establishment. - Sir C. BURRELL opposed the motion, on thd ground of the Resolutions lately passed at the Ase, gregate Meeting in Dublin. Mr. WHITBREAD expressed an opinion, that his Right Hon. Friend bed exeosed the insincerity and imbecility of the Ministers. The fact was, since the death of Mr. Perrevel, they had given up all their favourite measures ; the minor measures in a . :frank manner, the major in a manner far from mag nanimity, and the, mode bt obtaining a victory for' - THE EVENING.STAR. • LONDON. ElinitTnti in ibis STAR of last night ; —.Derits—Ver Ovals WILLIAM Liu litnO, rraA Captain W iz.u.t LOlllllO. TUESDAY, JUNE 23. PRICE (F STOCKS THI4 DAY AT ONE O'C LOCK. 3 pvr Ct. ited. ri4 Ct. up per Ct. Cuos. fur mousy shut—Ditto for opg. , SECOND EDITION. STAMM - IC& TWO O'CLOCK. We stop the Press to state, that a le:ter from Brt tol has just been received by one of the most respect able Merchants of that City, from his son, who is Scenes , ' Lieutenant of the CRACKER gun-brig, inform ing him they spoke the ENDTMION frigate on the 18th in ,ant, who hal I,•st her mizen-mast in the Chops of the Channel, benging an account that Sir CIIA KLEE COTTON had succeeded in cutting c•ff Four Sail of the Line of the Toulon Fleet, which had been out cruizing, and had met, unexpectedly, with a violent North Easter. Rear-Admiral Joactuess is among those taken. The names of the ships are the Ville de Milan, 80 guns, Austerlitz, 71., '1 heseus, 71, and Junon, 74. The above letter is just stuck up at Ltava's. We have to congnstalata oar Readers on another , swig important concession which Ministers have grantei to the Nation. No such boon has been con &red on humanity since the abolition of the Slave Trade. The Catholics of Great Britain and Ireland ,are speedily to be restored to their birth-rights, as subjects of the British Empire, and the penal code which was enacted against them in the dark ages of our History, is about to undergo a revision, which we may safely venture to predict will conchide with its anal domulition— Redrant Saturnia Rego* r Nothing now is wanting to enable as to contend against the united world, if we are doomed still longer to continue die contest single handed ; but a similar extension of the rights of citizenship to all classes of , dissenters whatever. Our Councils will then be di rected by the united energies and wisdom of the peo ple ; and the wealth, respectability, and talent, which have been so long lost to the community by religious disqualifications, will assume the preponderance to which in all enlightened States, they are justly en. titled.—As to the fears entertained by many well meaning men, that an extension of privileges will expose the country to the danger of any sect g tining - an ascendancy to the prejudice of the general interests of the community,, they are perfectly groundless.— In fact, the only effectual way to preserve public rights is, to give to all an equal interest in their maintenance. 'What single sect could prevail against all the others united ? and united they would cer• tainly be against every aggressor. By the Malta Mad whkh am'en'd yesterday, we have received some advice, (ran lurk. y, of inset citing nature. An embargo Lae been lad in the Russ.an ports In the Inset tisa,on all French, Austrian, and 'Furth* vesse's, and t• 14 is cousidered as a decla ration of war by Kubik, against these Power,. In the mean nine negotiations ft Constantinople, with a view to prevail on the Tusks to act against France, are most actively catoetl on. 'lle French Anahasiador is, of course, ex tamely annoys to in terrupt this amicable lutersourse. Mr. LISTON has arrived at Constamluople. We noticed on Saturday the extraordinary photo menon said to have occurred on the island of Barba. does. By subsequent accounts which we winded.. to yesti•rday, we have reason to think that thi • ',laud of Si. Vincent has been the seat of the o.ovul ston of Nituie, which pal:Mucci! the effects Witnessed at Barbadoe.s. • " NEVIS, MAY a. ' I . 's' Oh the Ist of this 'north, our whole Island war muzia I alarmed by ration; distant sitp!onon., acconipanied by a si ght Shock cf an outhseaks ; this reports were, many of them, lull Las loud as those of heavy cannon; and a irgb surf was isoisst. dwell , ohserved, although there was DO w .u.. 1. It was at li.sc thoutilsetbat the noise arose from the r.nt, of a ship in Adams ; bin Sliding that hot to be the case, It we. emject ur ed, that some , dreadful asp osion had oak-a place - so irinzavatd. Ye.terday the fact was explained, by a passim who arrived in sown from Mao._ Unique, *liens two v. dads lead come ii.,ovre g 4 wig, a , ; ,,.. ~akiib ad shows red down on diem in passing St. Vincent's, at i a miles distance front the 'Lae; and in consequence, they went Obliged to slier their course. -The people say, the sulphur was so pre4o - that it was not po4sible so approach the is and. At this place (300 nOits Minn t). the annna;here was entire'y &awed by it. The above. , rum had r - island,.when he observed ,- spot where the former however, bad already which had s alarmed - tiled to idbre secure sl , ua *went eistßor noises; Tenth tanhquakee, and Througboui that aity there, have been rauval by the only acconni,,K Basna.--114* 4ir three-pence pot Peek - • 1. • • , rura had a taw Jays prey ouey pavti: by Cite erred colunstis .of smoke issuing limn iho sr Crater was known to be 11iis tilnek”, appeared tor soar weeks, wL blight shock • d the must of than bast to- glia• ion% . the night before lest ves)l4am w,th he rumbilu -ound wis.ch always at- nd felt oh. night three *Hen shocks. there. was a suet, and i• salvos, d trus wogs r far• her ceuvikkigo: at than Woad. '11..s is : ricelsed, which coo it alp lw Mirth aa w the L•rik Mater sidirsei item sifts*, Log. • . • •