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.% •i • '. au were there ?-.1 ion% know as to the dinner, bat I did see them at breakfast. W4ll you setsiir s that)ta Princess and Bergami did not dine at Court every day while they were at your house ?—I don't know whether or not, or where they dined. Did you see the Princess and her suite go to Court while you were there?—l have seen them go away in a carriage, but Ido nit know where. Did you not see the Crar.d Duke wait upon the Princess?— Yes ; he came accompanied by other Gentlemen. Do you mean that they paid their respects to her ?—Yes, pro bibly. I only saw this once; as I was going down stairs, the Ger.tionen were coming up. Where did the Princess receive the Grand Duke?—l saw that they went up stairs, and I went to the top story. Will you swear that the Grand Duke did not go to the inn the day you s:w her and Bergami ?—No. Who save you orders to carry water to the room ?—.NO - ; it was my business, which I knew, and I did it every evening. Wien you looked. at and examined the bed one morning, was it E the Wise you were making the bed 2—Yes. had you been making any of the other beds that morning this was the first which I made when they left it, after my nester's and mistress's bed. When you say they left it, do you not mean those who slept in it 2—As much as I know. I know a Gentleman slept in it. Was he or any other person in the rcom ?—No one but a s.:reant with a grey cuat. D'.l he conic while you were there?—Yes, he came to assist nie in turning the mattress. Who was he 2—There were two of them, but I don't know t'oeir names. Did you waver see them before?—Never, but while the Prin cess was there. _ Have you seen them since?—No, never. bid you not make the bed every morning?—Yes, that in Teo. t 2. Did not you see one or other of those men after the time one of them assisted in making the bed ?—Now and then I saw one of dual, who came to assist me. !lave you any doubt that they were servants to the Princess? F-vbably they came with her. Did they not go away with her ?—Yes. Vas one of theut a Yager ?—I do not know; one of them had a green coat upon him, but whether he was a Yager or not, I cannot say. Wh..o you had a conversation with Mr. Burgshedd about t7l; cempensation fur coming here, what did you say when you t 1 mandril it ?-1 told hint if I must go I should lose my place; that I was a married woman, and had other business to attend to. He said if 1 would not go I should be forced to go. I said, well then, I will ; and Gun may settle the business as he thinks fit. [Here the witness shed tears; a glass of water was handed to her, and she was desired to sit down.] When you asked for compensation, what did the Baron Burg shedd say to you?--1 le said he could not give anything; that I should leave it to the Gentlemen, and they would no doubt re. compense Did he not say you would be recompensed when you returned lunne ?—So. Had any of your family the promise of anything ?—No. Will you swear that no promise was made to your husband, or any other of your family?—l will swear that no promise was trade to me, and I think none was made to my husband, for if there was, I think he would have told me. Here some conversation took place upon the accurate transla tion of the word signifying " recompense," which was trans lated " compensation" by the Bishop of PETERBOROUGH. What do you get generally, as chamber-maid, in the morning ftort the persons who sleep at the inn ?—Our purse is a com mon one. The contents .:re given to the waiter, and a division tAtes place once a quarter. What ii your share ?--I have received 18, 20, or 30 florins, according to the number of strangers who came to the Inn. Croas•examincd by several Peers. On the morning when she observed the stains on the bed, it dd not appear as if two persons had slept. The cushions were ote above the other. NN hen frightened by the Queen's jumping up, did not run and tell Anybody. EIGHTH WITNESS. Goiseiro Bianchi was then called and examined by 'Mr. FAME. The only fact of the least consequence to which this witness de posed was, that the Queue had purchased a gold chain, and put it round livrgami's neck. Cr.ss-examined 3y Mr. Dz'oeax. Did you see what was done with the gold chain through the key.hoie I was in the same room where they dined. Then they saw you very plainly, I suppose , stand i ng by ?—I was there. Have you been at Milan, to be examined as to these facts —I hare. When did you first go there ?—I left Venice on Christmas day. Was this the first time youhad been at Milan on this business? It was the first time. What money or compensation bad you for going from Venice to Milan on that occasion ?—I received nething else but my ex penses for the journey. Did you receive a suns of money, or did somebody pay for you ?—A Commissary came to take me from Venice, and paid my expenses. Had you nothing for your loss of time?—Nothing. What are you to have for coming here ?—To come here I have received nothing but my travelling expenses. What bargain have you made. What pay are you to have for coming here ?—None. Do you mean to swear that you are to receive nothing as a compensation for loss of time on coming here and staying here? —Tuey told me I was to receive nothing, but to come to Lon- Lion to tell the truth, and this I have done. But what are you to be paid for telling the truth ?—I have made no agreement nor condition : if they will give me some thing, I s:•all take it—(Laughter). Do you expect nothi.ig ?—I expect nothing; for this reason, I have brought money with me to take me back, if necessary. Whom Gid you mention as telling you to come here?—Colonel Brown, at Milan. Did you see the Advocate Vilmarcati?—The first time, but notthe second. Did you say nothing to either of them about a compensation for the loss of time on coming to England and staying here?—l have said nothing of that, excepting that at Milan, when speak lag about several things, I said I would net come any more, be cauw I was afraid. Were Vilmarcati and Colonel Brown the only persons you saw before you came here?—And a certain Andriozi, who was the Commissary that came to Venice to fetch me. Dow long have you been in this country ?—Just a fortnight tn-day. Are you now a waiter or porter at Venice ?—lf I return back ; if nut, I shall not continue in their service. Suppose y.. 0 do not return quickly, but lose your place, do you nut expect to have it made good to ) ou ?—I expect nothing, Ltause I know nothing; but what displeases me is, that I shall be obliged to get another master. Do you wish to persuade us that you have made no bargain, an,: do nat expect to receive any compensation for what you base lost ?—I do come here to tell the truth without any pay, and what um I to expect? Did anybody tell you lately to give that answer here ?—No body ; I never have spoken upon this business to anybody. Whom have you lived with in this country ?—ln company with SO or 25 more. Is Theodore N:ajochi one of them?—He is. Will you swear that you have had no conversation with that man about the e , :idence you were to give here ?—Yes, I have. Did he not remind you that be was at Venice the first time the Princess came there ?—The first time he saw me, because we were together; but the second time he remained behind. Have you not been teminded by Majochi that you knew one another at Venice, when the Princess was first there ?—Yes, he told me so, because we went and drank together one afternoon. have rot breakfasted with Majochi every day for the last fmtnight ?—Yes, ire breakfasted and dined together. 1).., you sup together?—Those who want to sup, sup; and tlinse who do not want, do not sup. Whoever is present takes Do , you pars the whole day togetber?—Not the whole day because he is with his wife, and sometimes he comes out, and sre walk together. Do you remember the name of the jeweller who, you sa y, brou o ht :his golden chain?—Fans. Is ha owe lit :he 25 people who breakfast and dine together ? No; be is a merchant, aed Lives in Venice always. Where does he live in Venice ?—iie has a shorat the old city, nest St. Marts. 1 i Rad he left the mat when tie Primes sad Dergazd re twined behind P—He had gone away sioneilittle time. Had all the company left the roof ?—They had. How long had they left 7—They had just gone before. Was the door shut 7—lt was. How came the witness to be left behind?—As the people went out they shut the door, but I was there to take away the things from the table. What had become of the other servants P—There was only one of the other waiters within. Does the witness mean the Princess's servants, or the waiters belonging to the hotel?—He was one of the waiters at the inn. Whs sent the witness 16e:0—Colonel Brown. In what way did Colonel Brown send him here ?—He sent a Commissary to Venice to tell us we must come to England. What power had the Commissary to send the witness away from his place to England-Andriozi said if we came wil lingly it would be well for us, but if not we should be compelled by force. • Does Andriozi hold any office at Venice?—None. How bad he any power to send witness to England?—He had no power, but he told me if we came voluntarily it would be better for us, if not we should one day be compelled by force. What did be mean by better ?—That it would be better to come voluntarily than so be compelled by force. Did he see any Ambassador at Venice 7—Only the English Consul. Who is he?—Mr. Hopper. Did he desire the witness to come 7-1 never spoke of this business with him. Has any one in his employ?—On the contrary, I wished to speak with him, but he was in the country. Re-esainited by Mr. PAS!. Did you see Majocci at any time between seeing him at Venice and coming here. Mr. DENMAN objected to this question, as not arising out of the cross-examination. Mr. Palm said, he would put it in another shape. Did you converse with Majocci the first time you saw him after seeing him at Venice?—Yes. Where had you the conversation that you speak of with Ma jocci?—Since he came to England. It being five o'clock, the Howls adjourned till to-finer row (this) morning at ten o'clock. THE EVENING STAR. LONDON. WEDNESDAY, AUGUST 30, 1820. !RIC): Of STOCKS THIS DAY AT ONII O'CLOCK : 5 per Cent. Reduced 22i je--3 per Cent. Cons. 67i 3e per Cent. 77.761-4 per Cent. 861 87 5 per Cent. Navy 104 i—Leng Anna. 18 146 18 Imperial 3 per Cent. 67i—India Bonds 21s. 225. pre. Exchequer Bills 3s. Ss. pre.—Consols for Acct. 68k THE QUEEN. I was. The proceedings in the House of Lords yesterday have surprised many : the Earls of Ltyzapoot, and HARROWBY having taken one side, and the LORD CHANCELLOR another; when, on a division, the LARD CHANCELLOR was left in a minority. The question was, whether the Quees's Counsel should be per mitted, in a future stage of the proceedings, to cross examine the witnesses a second time ? and it was carried by a majority of 121 to 106. That there should have been a difference of opinion among their Lordships does not surprize us : nor should it sur prize any who are willing to believe that their Lord ships aim at dispensing impartial justice to the par ties. The arguments of the LORD CHANCELLOR, though we confess they have not convinced us, any more than they did the majority of their Lord ships, were certainly well worthy of attention : in a common case they would have been unanswer able, but in a trial altogether anomalous, it might, in our mind, lead to injustice were the technicalities of ordinary procedure closely adhered to. The law of Natural Justice, written in every man's mind, should be followed on aft occasion like the present. If statute law could reach every case we should have no Court of Chancery, and, consequently, no Lord Chancellor. If the natural imbecility of statute law renders another mode of procedure necessary in many questions of right, can it be unreasonable that an anomalous procedure should spurn at the controul and bands of dicta offered under the disciplined harness of precedent? The determination come to by their Lordships, which we consider as having resulted from the power ful eloquence of Messrs. BROUGHAM and DENMAN, we consider as a triumph of justice. It does not, in deed, place her MAJEs•ry in the same situation as if a list of witnesses had been furnished at the outset; for evidence which a cross-examination may chew to be worth nothing, is allowed in the meaptime to pro duce its effect on the public mind. But though an impression may thus be produced of incalculable in jury to her MAJESTY, still the truth, however late, may at last be elicited, while a cross-examination, without the requisite information, would, in many cases, be of no use whatever. Lord ERSKINE afterwards moved, that a list of witnesses be yet furnished to her MAJESTY ; but this motion was negatived by a large majority. The Public ought always to bear in mind, that by this refusal of a list of witnesses, a harsh measure of justice has been dealt out to her MAJESTY, that the election which she is at last allowed is merely a choice of evils; and we owe it, therefore, to her MAJESTY not to allow the ex parse evident to influence our minds unfairly against her. The popularity of her MAJESTY appears to in crease daily. St. James's-square was again filled at an early hour yesterday morning with a vast multi tude of respectable people ; some thousands of whom kept their standing the whole day with infinite pa tience. Of these the Ladies were in the proportion of at least three to one, and among them were many of the Society of Friends. Her MAJESTY arrived from her villa at a quarter past twelve, and was received with the usual fervent acclamations of the vast concourse assembled. Upon learning that Alderman WOOD was at the House of Lords, her MAJESTY instantly dispatched one of her suite to enquire the state of the proceedings. At two dclock Alderman WOOD returned, having left the messenger, still waiting at the House for the - close- of debate. In about half as hour the met- I stager interned, bringing the result oldie debate and the division which had taken place upon it. The , royal carriage was immediately ordered to the d oor, and in a few minutes her MAJESTY set forward for the House in the usual state, amidst the most enthu siastic cheering of the male part of the crowd, and the ardent benedictions of the other sex, whilst hats and handkerchiefs were waving everywhere in glori ous confusion. The same scene of popular attach ment was displayed all the way to the barriers, which her MAJESTY entered soon after three o'clock. She did not remain more than an hour in her retiring room, and returned to St. James's-square, her return being marked with every demonstration of undimi nished regard. St. James's-square was, if possible, more crowded than in the forenoon. Her MAJESTY returned to Brandenburgh House at half-past six. This forenoon, at a quarter past eleven o'clock, the Quails reached the House of Peers. The numbers collected in the streets, in the windows, and oa the parapets of houses, to greet her MAJESTY on her way, were as great as ever; and—let the calumniating Journals continue to assert what they may to the pre judice of her MAJEary—the display of fashion and elegance was no way diminished. " GOD save the QUEEN " GOD bless the QUEEN !" came from many pretty lips which have never yet beta fouled with the language of slander. • HOUSE OF LORDS. TWELFTH DAY'S PROCEEDINGS. Prayers having been read and the Roll called over, Counsel were called in at a quarter past ten o'clock. A new witness was put to the Bar called Paulo Ragaszoni. Erassined by the ring's Soucrzoa-Gusw.. Are yos a native of Italy 7—l am. is what part of Italy do you reside 7--At Varied. What business are you 7—A mason. Was you ever employed to do work at the Villa d'Este?— Had you any persons under you, or were you merely employed there u a workman 2--I was muter mason. How many men had you under you P.—Twenty, twenty-five, thirty ; the number varied at different times. At any part of the time you were doing work at the Villa d'Este, were the Princess and Bergami there P--When I went to Villa d'Este, they were gone to Villa Villani. Did thy return to the Villa d'Este while you were at work there ?—They did. Did you ever see the Princess and Berge:of on the Lake at the Villa d'EsteP—l have seen them. Was there any canoe there P—There was. Did you ever see them together in that canoe P... Yes. Were they alone, or with other people P—They were alone. Did you see them so together in the canoe once, or more than once, or several times P—l saw them more than once—more thafi twice. Did you ever see them together in the garden?—Yes. Were they alone In the garden 7—They were alone. Did you see them alone in the garden only once, or more than once, or sever7.l times?—l have seen them more than once. On one occasion, I saw the Princess sitting in a chair which bad wheels, and the Baron was behind, pushing the chair. After you saw this, did you see anybody else in that &gil— -1 have not ; I have only seen that alone. At that time was there anybody else with them, or were they alone?—The Princess and Bergami were alone. Did you ever see the Baron get into the chair 3-1 have; and the Princess was behind the chair puking it along. Did the Princess push the chair 7—Yes, the Princess. Were they at that time alone 7—They were alone. Virona came and brought the chair, and then the Princess and Der gami remained together. In what manner did you see the Princess and Bergami usually walking together in the garden ; was it separate or together ? It was arm in arm. How often did you see them walking together arm in arm?— More than once—more than three times. Do you remember being at work in a grotto la the garden I do. What sort of work were you doing in that grotto?--I was making a cornice for a round room ? Was there a room adjoining to that round roons i f—There was. While at work in that round room did you hear anybody in the adjoining room?—Yes, I heard somebody enter. What did you hear after that ?—/ heard somebody come into the mons, and I came down from the scaffold on which I was working to see who it was. I saw it was the Princess and Bergami. Were there any figures in that room into which the Princess ' and Bergami came ?—There were two figures of Adam and Eve. The figure of Adam had a fig-leaf. You have said that the figure of Adam had a fig-leaf; had that of Eve also a fig-leaf?—lt had. How were these fig leaves fastened on?—The witness ex plained, that they were so attacked by a wire, that they could be turned aside. What did the Princess and Bergami doh--They looked at the figures and laughed. Was that all?—They put the fig leaves aside, to see 'what was underneath. Where were you all this time?—/ was b e hi n d a pilaster; when I saw them coming towards me, I remounted my scaf fold, and went to work again. What sort of opening was there between the round room where you were at work, and the room where the figures were? —There was a corridor between the two moms, and in the rniZille of that corridor was the pilaster behind which I stood and saw the Princess and Bergami. When they removed the leaves in the manner you have de scribed, what.did the Princess and Bergami do?—They talked together ; looked sometimes at one figure, sometimes at another. Do you remember an entertainment at the Villa d'Este on St. Bartholomew's day ?—I do. At what hour on that day did you leave the Vila d'Este to go home ?—About half-past twelve or half-past one, I went to the piazza. Does the piazza form part of the Villa d'Este does. Im mediately after the Villa d'Este there is a garden, at the end of which there is a wall, and then the piazza. Do you know a person of the name of Dominic° Bruzzi ? I do. When you were going to the place which you have described, who was with you ?—Doniiolco Bruszi. At what b was It that Tot trot through the prima at VS4 elm with iiralsi?--.ooat one or half-past one o'clock, Hero the Interpreter add it would be necessary to ascertain whether the witness anent Italian time or English time, as they differed most essentialiy. The witness was then asked which he meant, and be said Italian hours. Seuerros-Osawaset. to Interpreter.—Translate it into Eng. Usk time?—This the Interpreter said would make it about half-past nine o'clock at night, according to the English mode of reckoning. When you were passing through the garden, did you see the Princess and Bergami?—Yes ; they were not in the garden, but at the bottom of the walk, sitting on a bench. Were they alone ?—They were alone. Were you ever at the Theatre at Villa d'Este ?—I was. Did you ever see the Princess and Ikrgami together at the Theatre ?—I have. Have you seen them there more than once 7—Only once. Do you recollect the part the Princess acted ?—Yes, that of a sick woman. What did. Bergami act?--The character of a Doctor or Physician. The Soustma-Gotgaar. wished to know distinctly the time. the witness had seen the Princess and Bergami in the garden together ? Mr. BROUCIIAIa thought it had been very satisfactorily deter mined to be nine, or half-pis: nine o'clock at night. Soticrroa-Ganzzat..—When the witness saw the Princess sad Bergami together sitticig on the bench, at the Villa d'Este, kow.m.sny hours was it after san-tet?—Some hours, but did not know exactly. by Dr. LUSIIIINGTOII. Were you ever examined before on this business ?—Yes s at Milan. When was that T—ln I X I s. Who weru you examined by ?—I do not know. Do you know Colonel Brown ?-1'470. How came you to go to Milan to be examined ?—The vernment of Milan sent for me to be examined before the Police. Was an officer of the Goterumeat of Milan sent to you ? They sent Razsalii. What is ?—A courier. Did you know him before ?—Yes. Where ?—At the Villa d'Este. Did be live with the Princess of Wales there?—lle did. Was he in the service of her Royal Highness as a courier;-- Yes. as chief equerry, or head groom. What passed between you and Ra.zsalli when he came to you? He told me I must go to Milan. as Government wanted ate. Was that all he told you 3—He told me I must go to be exa_ mined at Milan. as Government had ordered me; I said 1 could not go; but he told me I must. Was that all?—Yes. How long did he remain with Tout—A little. How long, as near as you reeolleetNi—He just told me; than went away. Did he not tell you what you were to go to be examined for —No. For what purpose did you go to Milan?--I went, botany. Ramat said I was to be examined there. _ _ - Then he aid tell you that you were to be examined about the Princess of Wales 7—Yes, he merely said you have been at vtotk for her, and must be examined. Had you ever, before that time, spoken to any person on the aubject?—No; I can swear that no person ever came to me far that purpose. That is not an answer to my question. Did you never speak to any person on this subject before you were examined at lam?—No, no. How many workmen had you employed at the Villa d'Este ? —There were It or 14 : when the Baron told me more were wanted, I got them. Were all these men sent to Milan to be examined?—Yo, not one of them. When you were examined at Milan was it taken down in writing?—lt was. Did you sign it ?—I did. Were you sworn?--Yes. Who swore you ?—The Advocate Vilmacarte. lie Intel me, are you ready to swear the truth? and I said, I unready. Were you sworn on the Gospels?—They said, are you ready to come and swear to the truth? and I said, I was ready to come and swear the truth. Were you sworn on the Cross7—Yes, I took the Cross I al ways carry with me, and kissed it before Vilmacarte. Who was there at the time ?—There were two or four per sons, but I did not know them. Were they Englishmen ?—I believe they were English. Have you ever seen the deposition you signed at Milan since' Yes, I signed my name, gave it in, and then came away. That is no answer. Have you seen that deposition since you signed it ?—No, I have not seen it. Have you ever been examined since that time?—;lo, Has no one spoken to you about the evidence you were to give, since you came to England ?—No. When you were examined at Milan, were you told that you would be sent to England?—Yes, they told me that I should be obliged to swear before a Tribunal. What did you say in answer to that said yes, I was ready to go whenever they ordered me, because I was ready to ten the truth. Were all the bins paid for the work done at Villa d'Eate?—l do not know ; I only worked for the chief mason. Is there anything owing to you from the Princes' of Wales' —No. From whom did you receive your anooe7?—peem eke bead mason; I worked for him, and whenever I wanted money be paid me. Did you come by yourself or with another to this country?— With another. Did you come with a courier?—Yes. What was his name ?—Ftusalli. Did you know the names of any of those with whom you tra veiled ?—I know the names of only three.--(Here witness men tioned three names of foreigners, but so rapidly did the exa mination proceed, we could not catch the names). Did you continue to live with them whets you came to E:4l - ?—Yes. Where 7--I don't know the place. Was it close by 7—Near. From the time you signed your deposition at Milan, had yca any conversation with any one upon this subject 7---No I have been speaking with no one; I never opened my mouth to any body about it. I said to the people of my own country, that I did not wishto come. Were you employed by the Princess to make a monument 7+-- No, I was told by Razsalli to go and work for the Princess. How many Units have you seen Ricoba since MG ?....Never since he came to give me advice to go to Milan. Here the cross-examination concluded. Witness re-eremined by the Soucrron-Gvaw.. Who attended you u courier ?--liazsalli cape with me to Holland, ..aid Dom Holland an Englishman came with me t . r: .this country. Did this Gentleman ask you any questions near this plate a ' , 4l' . nai th 4 lat Pt