Star. — London, England, 1812-04-11 00:00:00

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LONDINI: • CORANTE IT ISPRILSVITI . ..‘ ABRAHAM° JOANNE VAI.PY, ' Coccrott aaass. ocos. warsaauss ifoctft o !ant spud I 'tins, Loadiurasem ; et Bibrepolas Ozonlecses Caroluig,leasti.pioenses.* nutPllicoir% PARLIAMEM'ART PRota.EDMGS. NOM .OR LORD?, APRIL le. Ike cross Appeal from the Court of Session, 4 4 MloTair v. dog," the Solicitor General and Mr. Nolan were hesrd for Appellmt, and Mr, Adam for the Respor.der.t.—/ umber isg 1111 Monday • Irish Militia Families' the Masts' Bill, and the Trish lees` Families Ball were read a third time and passed. he lryolvent Debtors Amendment Bill was returned from Commons, with the Amendment agreed to, by Mr. Kearick Abet Members, who also brougkt up a Canal Bill, which read a lint tune. Ir. KEMP trout the Mint, presented an account of Toltens .ed for the Bank of England.—Ordered to lie on the table. 'l•he Earl of Wellington's Annuity Bill, the Infant Suitors All, the Hondoratt Wood Bill, and the Jamaica and St. Do mingo intercourse Prohibition Bill, passed through Committees. ' were reported. The last Bill was ordered tp be read a third at Tuesilay. to Pilchard still also passed through a Committee, with an testament. altering the year in the tale for the perioi of the titniation of the Act, from 1809 to 1819.—Report to-morrow. ttl GREY presented a Petition from the Merchants, Manu trers- and others of Newcastle-uponlyne, for opening the : India Trade.' be Marquis of STAFFORD also presented a Petition for the object from the Manufacturers, &c. of Walsall ; and Lord F FIELD a Petition from the Ship Owners of the Pon 0 Ann. , All the Petitions were ordered to lie on the table. On the motion of Lord REDESDALE, the second reading his Lordship's insolvent Debtors Bill was Axed tor Thurs next. Earl STANHOPE obser►ed. that his motion relative to the Peasabtry of 11.cland was already file' for that day, and there be trusted it would have the precedence. REVERSION DILL. The Order of the Day being read, for the House ing into a Committee on the Bills Earl GROSVENOR said, he rose with feelings tonsiderable anxiety respecting the Bill, consider the conduct of Ministers with regard to it for the five years. For although they knew that it was lost pOptilar measure throughout the country, yet . y had declared it to be of no impoitance, and had her throsra it out, or caused it to be altered so as be of no use at all. Indeed, on that account he Jar felt considerable difficulty, whether he should Nw turn his back upon the 13i11 altogether, or whe n- he should move some Amendment to it. He shed t.,7 hive seen a Noble Viscous; in his place, to is now at the head of his Majesty's Councils, to Ave known whether he would now sanction this wasure, which he bad so warmly expressed himself ,ivour of on foriner occasions, there was scarcely ty part of the BiR which he would vote for in its ,sent shape, It might be said, that if this rnea- . e 'Was' td• take effect, many persons would be un •ly treated, who are now holding such offices.— % wLhed, that .on a proper case of service being ,Je cut, those men ebould receive a fair remune ior. It could not be said, that in moving his :n.iment he was stigmatizing any noble or re :ctable person who might he holding Places in Re crsicii, into Which they most likely were put while they were hanging at their mothers' or nurses' breasts. then moved, that the term for which the Bill is lipt. be-altered from Feb. 1814, to Feb. 1840. The Earl of LAUDERDALE said, that as the preamble stood, that amendment would make the Bill hold out a false hope to the people, that the whole the reversionary and sincecure places were to be done away with. Now there are only sixteen places to suspended by this Bill, during its continuance. ie wished to know what advantage it would be to the country, as the salaries of these offices did not tmount altogether to 435,000 a year ; and mlst of arse, on expiring, could not be renewed again.— The more of these were granted before he came into political l,fe ; and he defied any man to say, that tl.ere had been any abuie of this power during the tst thirty years. This measure being so often re !ated, would only teach the people to believe, that ll cotruption originated in the higher orders, and in to two Houses of Parliament. He lielieved he seeded not to assure them, that he wanted no such dace himself; but he could not help remaiking, 'tat, in Sir R. Walpole's administration, there v,ere tore Officers of the Navy and Army in Parliament lan there now are. There is now no such influence the Crown in Parliament ; but it must also be stated, that the influence of the Crown throughout 'le country had increased to a most alarming extent, i consequence of the increase of the yearly revenue rom 20 millions to SO. Even if they could succeed abolishing all the Places in Reversion, he did not ink that the benefit could be felt amidst such an Tenditure. The Earl of DARNLEY supported the amend lent ; not because he believed that any great ad antage was likely to result from this measure, but !cause the country expected that their Lordships , ould turn their minds to the gradual correction of ' abuses. Earl GREY disclaimed most of the opinions ad anced by his Noble Friend (Lauderdale), for he should be sorry the Public should think he felt in Arch a manner respecting any subject connected with the great question of reiurm, as this was. He was lot one of those who attached much importance to ais measure, except as it sheaved a disposition on .heir parts towi.rds a general reform of abuses. He luld at that time name three (Zees which had been granted in re v ersion, the holders of which received among them AtiO,Qoo . per annum. Now if this had it b e en so granted, it might have been regulated, And so much saved to the Counuy. He would there fore much rather see tbisßili as a permanent measure ihaii as one for two years. 1 2 14 Noble friend (Lau derOale) lie knew was much too accurate an observer `a to he 'aware that the influence of the Crown had ieatly increased even in Parliament, by the immense amine oi the artny. the navy, the revenue and all 4ict•rried in collecting it. There beina therefore no cpii, in die present pate of WV affairs, nf,i reduc :l of the arny, the navy, or the revenue,. and as cnvid not ueprive the Crown of thr . erpointrnent wer* Prciff those cie?*414444 they 01.104 to) clitsk • .6 .: . . • ~ , ille means of that direct inflionce which was within single; there can be but one oWnion, and that is, to i Mr. CURWEN again rising, the.SPEAXER e a u their icaoh. He had many points of difference with sectt every prudent means 'that can be adopted served, that there bong no question bef o r e i s se the present Administration, 'but none! greater than the e k olort of the lower classes of the people, who, House, he doubted much tke propriety of continuing that they wot.ld pot retrench the useless burthens.-- wlreyey saw their legislators exerting themselves tee conversatirn. He vees.l for the amendment. . I so.' nuously for their welfarle, would cheerfully Mr. CURWEN said he should submit a rust' . The Earl of LIVERPOOL was satisfied, 'front bear many privations which atpesent are more than to the House on the subject. He.di4 not mean to - enquiry, that not one half of the number of theMeen. Trksome to be endured. 'I conceive that a few slight charge the Right Honourable Gentleman with sus. . beta of Parliament now hold offices as there did in , "alterations in the statute I have named, would corn- pinenecs on the present occasion particularly, but the sii R. Walpole's time, when OfEcers of the Army pletely effect the object I have in view ; and if any •Importation of last year ought to have shewn the ne... (fcr exarnsle the great Earl of Chatham) lost their j assistance were required by the Right Hon. Gentle. -cess.ty of an inquiry into tbe.best means of obviate, g commissions for not supporting the measures of Go. man, I should be extremely happy to afford it.in any it in future. He had no doght but that the p inea l vernment : a thing sever heard of now, He opposed way that is within my power." scarcity of specie was in a great degree owing to the. the amendment. l The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER bullion sent out of the country to pay for the goo * . After a few words from Lords Monroe, HOLLAND, replied.—" 1 have not the slightest difficulty in ad- that was brought in. An alteration of the inspro. and GROSVENOR) in reply, the amendment was nega. milting that the Hon. Gentleman (Mr. Curwen) did, tion price would have effected the object. W o e tived without a division, and the Bill passed through as he has said, acquaint me with the apprehensions regard to the measure itself, that it was practicable, the Committee.—Adjourned till Monday. he entertained, that the harvest of last year would was certain, and in the noith the larger potion 414 not be so productive as some persons imagined, and population lived upon no ether kind of .bread 'I A , - that he did besides pledge himself to support with such as the Act he recommended wnuld.produce......• his interest any measure Government might be din. His letters received that morning informed 11;.R1 that posed to suggest, in consequence of the information wheat. had risen in the course of the week op less he so conveyed to me. But I cannot help thinking, than thirty shillings per quarter. He gave nutice, whatever may be the scantiness of the harvest of last that unless some circumstance should occar to alter year, that there is no reason to fear any thing like a his resolution, he would on Monday mpve for a Colo famine in the country ; and it appears to me neither mittee to inquire into the present causes of the hi t te. to be well founded nor to be consistent with the can- price of Grain. dour I should have expected from the Hon. Gentle. ‘ Man MILITIA OFFICER& • man, that he should accuse, as he has done, the Go. Sir J. NEWPORT wished to know how the 001. vernment of supineness with regard to the agricul. cers rat the Irish Militia were to be released front the tural interests of the country, with wkich he is so payment of the Property Tax S That tax was still largely connected. Does he recollect the measure exacted from them, and they complained very homily . which was, during the last Session, introduced by nee of the hardship. into Parliament regarding the distilleries, and which, Mr. Secretary RYDER **plied, that means for by the influence et the Honourable Gentleman and relieving the Irish Officers from the further operatio n his friends, was rejected—(Hcar, hear, hear.) The of the tax were in progress, and that orders bad been object of that Bill was to allow the distiller, when given to refund the sums which they had already paid. grain should have risen to a certain pt ice, to employ Mr. W. POLE stated, that the case was as ful. sugar in the production of spirits. Was this an in- lows ; lip to the present Fetid the tax had beer, stance of that supineness of which today we are told, charged on the pay of these Officers, but from .chi; or rather was it not an instance of a great anxiety on time the pay would be issued to them without any tax. the part of Government to guard against circum. • OOLD CNN MILL. stances like those now brought under the notice of ' The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER the House ?—(Hear, hear.) With what wisdom it moved for the House 'lcing into a Committee oil t: e was thrown out, acrd for what solid reasons, it is not Gold Coin Bill ; and on the question fur the Speaker for me now to impeach, because Parliament has sane- leaving the Chair, tioned the opposition given to it by its votes; and Mr. PARNELL proposed to postpone the Com. yet in the very same year, and after this successful ' mittee for a fortnight, that an opportunity might be resistance of the measure I proposed to remedy the . afforded for inquiring into the situation of the Coin. evil, the Hon. Gentleman gave me to tinder :and, 'To chew the necessity of this inquiry, the Hon. Mem. that he apprehended a scarcity. Although 1 was , ber read extracts from the Reason of a Committee disposed to give every degree of credit to the infor.' appointed in 1804, to inquire into the State of the :nation then afforded to me, (particularly receiving it Currency in Ireland, from %spelt it appeared that a: from a quarter in which I was sure it would be re-; that period the circulating paper oh Ireland was in i luctantly stated), yet I felt, after the determination state of . depreciation; and when he stated that the House had come to that Session, that it would: amongst the names composing that C. mmittee, mete be highly improper for Government again to at- those of Mr. Pitt, Lord Castlereagh, Mr. Rote, Mr. tempt to intei fere. It will be recollected, likewise, Yerke, MoVansittart, and Mr.Tbointen, he thought that it was by no means a conceded point at that : the House would be of opinion some credit ought to time throughout the country that the harvest was so :' be attached to the Report. It had also been allow. defective, and a measure pri posed and resisted was, , ed by the present Chancellor of the Exchequer, and I thought, all that could be reasonably expected. I ' the Member for Sarum, (Mr. Vansittart), that the trust, therefore, upon the charge of " Supineness," at ' paper of Ireland was flow depreciated ; and, if a least, we shall stand completely acquitted—(Hear, comparison were made between the Irish paper not hear.) The statement made yesterday, that the pro- ; the paper of this Country, the exchange wend be ductton of two bushels of corn an acre throughout I and to be against Dublin 9.5 per ceno which was the country would fully supply its necessities, might , seven per cent. more than it was in 1804. Noma& perhaps be true, but I am at a loss to imagine how ; standing this, he understood the object and effect of it is to be accomplished, unless the Hon. Gentleman : the present Bill would be to make Bank parer in Ire can prove that the bringing in of an Act of Praha- : land a legal tender. On these grounds, be thought' meat would produce the miraculous effect of imme- ; the House would not object to the delay he eclat. diately causing two bushels more to grow on every : for, to afford an opportunity for icquiring shether acre of land—(A laugh.) And in thinking that it !or not the circumstances he had stated' were cornet; would not, I do not apprehend that we ate justly and if they were so, to a ff ord to th e perple ref !re chargeable with supineness. 1 admit, that some be- ' land an opportunity to defend themselves, where their nefit might perhaps be done by the suggestions and interests were so materially concerned. Heretofore operations of vigorous and enlightened minds ; but it had not been the custom for the holders ot land is the Act itself certainly could afford no remedy. As ,Ireland to pay in paper, but in specie; and if des to what the Hon. Gentleman has flung out ou the measure were adopted, it would go to take near 50 subject of the Act of Parliament, the House will per cent. out of the landlord's pocket. It sould not expect that at this moment I should be able to be attended with great injustice wherever any con. give a decided opinion either one way or the other; tract existed. but I appeal .to the experience of every Gentleman, Mr.JOHNSI ONE thought it could not bedenied whether the advantage derived in 1501 from the Bill that Bankoesper was depreciated, and that that de then passed, if any, was not very inconsiderable 1 The predation was proved by there being two prices. He 1 impms•on upon my mind, and generally, I believe, thought no pence would deny that them were two throughout the kingdom was, that more mischief than prices, or that a person might not get mom dear good resulted from die interference of the Legisla. commodity for 100 guineas than for £lO5. no ture on that occasion -4 Hear, hear, hear.) Discus- Bank also had acknowledged the depreciation, and skins in Parliament, such as are now breuolit under fixed what that deprmiation was. by the issue of its our notice, attempting to I over the price of human' no tokens, 'which really contained no more saw food, defeat their own object ; and supposing any I than was formerly put into a half-crown piece. The plan proposed were acceded to, it is hiuud equally Honoural•le Member observed, be was well aware futile. The Act of the 41st of the King was baldly I bow tedious disciesions on this subject were, let be passed, before it was discovered that its execution must entreat the patience of the House whilst Le was utterly impossible. I therefore trust, that if we went as shortly as possible into a history of all Bean have not now introduced a Bill, or appointed a Com- (i/ /aesh.)—The progress of all Banks bad ended in mittee to inquire into the subject, the House will ra- bankruptcy to themselves, aid disgrace to the Stan; ther attribute the neglect to a mistaken view with at least all Banks with which the State had interfeo which we have been impressed, than asciitie it to in- ed, because Governmenti never repaid w hat they attention to our duty, or to supineness in promoting borrowed—( if 1440 j—without at the same tor the welfare of the country—(Hear, hear.) It has asking a larger loan. The Honourable Member des been truly said, that this is a question which can give went into a history o r the Banks of Vence, Frost, rise to no party feelings ; every man, whether his Austria, Stockholm, &c. in support of his assolicia station be high or low, can have but one object, not in favour of State connection ; and ultimately entered only from motives of humsnity and kindness, but into a detail of the rise and progress of the Beat's from the most obvious motives of personal interest. Englawi, and particularly into its transaction mill The measure usually adopted on such occasions was GoveninAnr, from the commencement of the war in resorted to almost as soon as Parliament was conve- 1793, to 1797, at which time the repeated appfl" ned. The consideration of Government has also tiuns from Government for assistance, reduced these been directed to the distillation of spit its in Ireland, to such a situation as obliged them to seven ~d the i r in order to decide whether the pe r i o d b e no t arr i v ed, cash payment s . Th e Honourable Member deels ol at which an attempt should be made to prohibit the his confidence in the Bane was such, as induced his use of grain, but they have been convinced of this, that to believe, that were they left to themselves they unless there be in that island a strong and universal i would diminish their paper circulation till their oriel sense that the measure is absolutely necessary, it would were of the value they purported to be. But the id be a vain attempt, and the economical regular stills was, Government would not afford them a diet would be prevented from working, and the wasteful of doing so, and he foresaw they would be corpal. mode by private and illicit distillation would be sub- to continue in. the course in which they at present stituted. The diminntionof therevenue, I admit, ought `were. He considered the depreciaion of ow cut" not for a moment to be put in competition with the rency as beiag chiefly occasioned by the loan of three i general comfort and su pp ort o f t h e peop l e , yet t h e na- millions, which the public had obtained from oe Ison would thus be doubly pressed, in the first place . Bank ; and he recommended the repayment of t. O by the deprivation of grain, and in the next by del - al..sum as soon as possible. cation in the revenue. The real question to be de- I Sir JOHN NEWPORT declared this to be a M g°. tided ii, Welter by ado' t rig the measure, any relief sure as revolutionary as any passed in the reign L i would be afforded ? Th e H onoura bl e G ent l eman I R o b es pi erre• I ts o p erat i on in Ireland wool!' __,' has not communicated t o me a s i ng l e id ea w i t h w h ic h gr i evous a nd un j ust . I t wou ld be robbing the Unlw__ my mind has not been l ong d ee ply i mpresse d, an d if • l or d s f or t h e b ene fi t o f t he t e nants. And ibis il he could suggest a measure which would be really done without making any enquiry into the sure is effectual, nothing will g i ve me greater pleasure than.. Ireland. The depreciation of paper in Irelan dw • to support it. lam persuaded that he now intro. at the rate of ss. 6d. in every guinea. A N i le lA, ' duced the subject with the most generous and patri- :bad presented a Petition from some persons P su ri bj otic feeling, but I would advise him well to weigh, Au to be resident in a county out of which be la " ere the yr:W heal effects which have been produced on . be e n driven at an election ; and on this Petir l '. - o ,i f°rener beassiotts by the 'mere . statemeot pf kbegretica f founded a measure that went to over th= l l * TIP caldsketiosts„,'. • • System on which rested the propertj of . :,.ii .. HOUSE OF COMMONS, On the motion of Mr. MILLS a Committee was appointed to search the Lords Journals, for the proceedings of the Peers, on a Bill relative tat the erection of County Infirmaries in Ireland. A person front the office of the Inspector-General of imports and Exports, presented an Account of the quantity of Wheat, Barley, and Oats imported into Great Britain during the last year. Mr. Fos sT t.R,from the Trustees of Liverpool Docks, present ed an Account of the Receipts and Expenditure of that Establish ment, during the last year. A Return w as also laid upon the Table of the number of Per sons prosecuted for Forging Bank of England Notes, and mutt terfeltirg Bank of England Tokens, during ten years previous to 1797. Mr. JoutirroNa, from the once of Chief Secretary, presented an Account of the Funded Debt of I eland. The Legal Quays Bill went through aCominittee. Report on Monday. On the motion of Mr. WHARTON it was ordered, that the House, at its rising, should adjourn until Monday. The Wert-India Goods Auction Iluty Bill was read a second time, and it was ordered that it be committed 011 Monday. The Estimates regarding the improvement of Holyhead Har bour were ordered to be printed. A Message from the Peers announced their Lordships assent to the Irish Militia Families' Bill, the Militia Amendment Bill, and several Private Bills. Captain BENNET gave notice, that on Wednesday he would move for a Return of the Number of Corporal Punishments within the last seven years. TELLEnS OF TUE EXCHEQUER. Mr. CREEVEY gave notice that on 'Thursday next he would submit to the House one or more Resolutions, on the subject of the two 'Tenet ships of the Exchequer, held by the Marquis of Buckingham and Earl Camden. HIGH PRICE OF BREAD. Mr. CURWEN said, Is Seeing the Right Hon. Gentleman (the Chancellor of the Exchequer) in his place, I fed myself reluctantly called upon to intreat his attention to the present high price of grain. I say reluctantly, because I am fully aware that extreme caution should be used in mentioning any thing that may be likely to cre.tte alarm on so serious a subject as a scarcity cl provisions —(Hear, bear.)—But, im pressed as I am, with its importance, I could not excuse myself if I were not now to bring it under the notice of the House. .The Right kronourable Gen tleman will do me the justice to bear testimony that the views I have taken, are not the creation of a mo ment, since at the conclusion of the last year, in the end of Oetober or beginning of November, I stated to him my firm conviction (the result of a journey I had just made) that the crop would be deficient, and that early measures ought to be taken to guard against the inconveniencies which I foresaw must ensue. These sentiments I conveyed to the Right Hon. Gentleman at a time whe n t h e competition be tween sugar and grain in the distilleries was in con ! templation. I now, therefore, again beg leave to state the confirmation of my fears, and to tell him that there has been a most alarming advance in the price of grain in various parts of the country, and this very day's post has conveyed to me intelligence, that in a place particularly connected with my in terests, and inhabited by my constituents, serious dis turbances have broken out, in which some lives have I l been lost, and more endangered—(Hear, hear, hear.) I trust, that in stating what I now feel it my duty to mention, it will not be said that I am exclaiming, that there is not sufficient grain in the country to I avert the calamity of a famine, if it be properly ma- Inaged,-but if the same snpinenees still exists, which I have previously complained of; with regard to the main basis of national prosperity, I mean the agri cultural interests of the country, the most melancholy consequences are to be apprehended—(Hear, hear.) I should have thought that the proof, that in the last year there were no less than two million quarters of I grain imported into the kingdom, would have been a sufficient inducement to a wise•and provident Go vernment, to have adopted some legislative measure to prevent it in future. Ido not mean to spread any unnecessary alai m, for my firm beFef is, that if well husbanded, there is a sufficient supply of grain to answer our necessities. Ido not dread any thing like a famine, but 1 think that the price will soon be so high, as to press with great severity upon the la bel], ing poor. I therefore think that my duty would not be performed, if I did not attempt to point out at least a partial remedy, which, without bearing hard upon the lower orders, would leave the princi pal burden to be sustained as it ought, by the higher classes of society. At least, in all cases like the pre sent, die comfort of the lower orders, to whom most of the arduous occupations of life are assigned, should be contemplated much more than our own. I calcu late that there are yet about twenty weeks to be pas- Ised before any new grain can be obtained, and I think . by a simple measure we might be enabled to save I sufficient for the supply of the country during three weeks of that period.. For our colonies the exporta tion has generally been about 200,000 quarters, f r om 1 which I apprehend a saving of nearly 60,000 quarters I might lie made. I would likewise suggest, that the Act of the 41st Geo. 111. ch. 16. should be renewed, I by which, it will be recollected, it was provided, I that bread should be made only of one quality.— Taking Winchester bushel at the usual weight of sixty pounds, it is calculated that it lows by grinding something more than nine pounds, so that when the bran is extracted, there remains only about fifty-one pounds of flour. I think, that by leaving in a part of this bran to, the quantity perhaps of only two pounds, another saving might be etEcted, while the breadmade would bepefectly wholesome and nutritious, although not sop alatable. It would also very much lessen the consumption of bread if flour were applied solely to that purpose, and was banished from the kitchen as an article of luxury. By these expedients I should imagine that one-twentieth part of the grain used might be rescued from waste, and applied to the sus tenance of the inhabitants of the country. I am quite store, that upon this subject there can exist no party t feeling, howevsr. it may be displayed on minds . MCA. Ha tid we I ill • to ! I tod jogi c so lii to sit: act 6 1 al