Star. — London, England, 1829-02-06 00:00:00

r' r ► , r t Lewd CORRY. on seconding the Address,. a id. he . etriiiird wit aiitleA the Hiiiiii iii riiilklnk ittaiii ribiitia. • Ilk** but sidVll:i ttitifi.4 hittistlf tb a fete rethatio on shot part of the Speech Which had not been referred to by his Noble F s seno. , It was gratifying to the country to bear the friendly position . ta which we stood with nearly all f 'rein Prince., and that endeavours were • Meting fur iffettilig a'c'ts otY of pacifitition between the thionsan NYte and It•isito ; .e was alter highli gretifv . • leg to find Mutt this cotton'''. in concert with the .Allies, eils exerting it.elf to „effect the pacification of Greece. He also congratulitted the House on the rent and nt 0- *tei,ive impruienient Which had taken place in the 'Revenue, ind he hoped tile putlic stpeoclituie would 'be equally advantageous to the Country. He had now `poly.one Mote t.,pit to refer to, which was the last in Iria.Alajeso Speeclis He was convinced the House ,:told have great siitisfaction in carrying into effect his ' lit jelly ' s iectittitheod'ation f r itippressin4 the Cath , .l . c Asl.4iiition; Which lie viewed as having been the cis* 'pi all, or nearly all the anarchy that had existed in Ire lihid, and as having infl 'fried the worst passions of the ientile Dom one end of the country to the other; he, Attain e, ti usied the House would tioliA his M'ajest) in tbissriving the great cause of all these evils. His Ltd phipcould to t conceive any danger would arise to the Protestants ol Iceland by the proposed conce.sionsto the Catholics; on the contrary, his Lordship thought they Louis' enjoy greater seentitP, as all those taus.* of jea lousy and hatred which had been the occasion of so limy dissentious Niemen theta, Would be now removed; and when it was te fleeted the length of time under which Ireland had laboured under civil disabilities, too much honour and credit could not be g!ven to the Noble 'Duke and his ctilltagoe, the Right Honourable the S.'cretary of State for the Home Department, for their wisdom in acceding to and brining before the II use a measure which would conciliate the angry feelings of all parties. He cheerf u lly . a gree d with the' Address, under the lull impression that it was time fomething was done for all. parties; but in admitting these . principles, be did not mean to bind himself to any particular Measure to be brought forward, but te•erved litias . ielf ;o judge of the proposition intended to be sub- Inked to the House, when it should be brought for ward for its consideratiou; but he . had full confidence that nothing Would be .proposed by which the Consti tdtinn of the &mitt y . would be injured. Sir JOSEPH YORKE said he bad. nev er in his life . ~ Widening wets ;tiels: a Sp ee ch as the pr • s e nt out —froni the dening to end it Went on prodUeirig pleasure and joy. It w.s indeed a singular Speech, for it seemed to comprehend all native and things; to in- Chide all men of all *ea ; and of the ottoman Porte and the Ca *ONO AnitsciatlOn With equal care and from. He could not, Were he dispos e d, vote against the Address, because be held his geit.under Govetnment -( A laigh).. Hithe!tto he had Voted with his Right Honourable Friend ( 111...Pee1) ; but his Right, Honour able Friend, as one of his Majesty's kiloliters, had.conceded one point, citi which hi bad great ditSculty before, and it vraa evident Mit hi doing so hewas influenced only by motives pf wish and sound policy. If the Members of she Catholic Association had any brains in their isea4—(la.lighter)-4e very fi rst thing they should do, after the Kings Speech reached Dublin, was to shut up die_doot of their house of meeting. .They ought to put one of Brantait's best locks upon it, and never open it again. For his own put, be ‘ was quite eeady . .to junk. heart and hand .in a. measure which was calculated io mai* Ireland strisat.it ought to be, a truly integral part of the ihitish empire — (Chars). .. ' Mt. 6ANICES ia;.l, he ihOuld Witih for lO ts eipla. ffitien Of the Litter Pin of the ilieeck, Li; die iliniiteir pre pared with any speak Oseistiiii? If they were, why did oat they honestly, and with that manliness which wai so mach boasted of f bring lkeits.forYfre.,_— (hest, hen).. Hol.wisbed tohnow dis tinetg!frisits ikcilight Hcinourable ,Seere taCy, fen ,t(je Home De 'piitmeet. P iiimeiii. Whit was the fist ? . If any measure war prepared, that House had ar w alight to know hit it viii, so that through fiat, sPettlerewilghl.be made known to the public—(.Hear). When he °int° 7 , wirt bad Pe•e4. and, saw fooir of his Hots. Friends stittitifit tig !irk. Places, by filt,astenisbed... Bad It mu bees for ivory', wmeb were ten lend adult _too. often repeated us .be at once throwituldis ..lie. 5b00.14 . bate ,concluded that what kad.kett said, ,W is Unfrisinticd; fist it was i calumny term , those , so whom ft refined, and that those line. Gentlemen were still tbeirm sap. llOrSera.of the :Ptottl444lt-Cburcli. He. blamed tto; those who slistr:Xlit diftercotlyto what he did t be gale them credit for being caesdeortriesle thefr.conaect. aPd. for +Ant what they really be, heied lest; but Who be saw go ,Helot a, change-re change not . 0010 ret.ll Va.geWprgetaisupcitT4te add sec called .for by oaf new eireuinstances, for. with reapect • to the Catholic Aisocistitinj Wert tipt proceedings o f that uncoosdtutional hotly any thing.rowy tapir, heir).. Most unquesiousbly not. Were they net ktowq 011ie Government and that .House four years ages ? . Four years ago big Majesty s GiWernearet..estna-tiosaato warething like , that is the Speech of that day respecting the Catholic AWociatii* "fled spas the Home fur &ashram., to put it down. That assist 114**,i!aa &VD, The stow was among, thelr..recouls- If the P.m the* to Government were _nut sellicksit. they ,ought to bilge applied formore.; but they 414.90 *ltch- thine: Ai! sild. Doi even use those thiy had. apd.he himself had told thews° on mind occasions than one.. As 0 gbe,present -proposition. if it was io trnded_to save the appearance Of the. one party . by potting down th‘Pt4holic Association, aid to return to gratify .the ether by granting to the. CatholUs what they. wante d, i t was a base com promise. If this simmdd prove to he. the case, .. a* Treason had done its wont.* . . . -. The Catholic dsseclation had done Its worst. Waa it from littimidaliott and Angels a dread of the . Catholic Association; fiat his Aisitrarya Government were. now about to introduce 11101 a measure as .lif,mancipation—(Hkar). .H. beg ge d, Ah e rn. fatoon know distinctly, before.he gave a, vote—for, although on . Wismar occasions , the courtesy was ti say t h a t by greeing o tra the Address OW Plwilla ltourself to nothing. yet, in this particular ease,' ouch reasoning would not satisfy itinii although ,it appeared to do 1 I the Noble Seconder of the Address—be .wished to know whether it was intended to admit the Roman Catholics to political power--- 1 and saiiire,sll. to the awn important of political power. setts in the* two Houses of Parliament ? If de . a.. change in the Con- wittiness was apt coded, he himself o was , perfectly the that a ' vtlrif f w jears.tißer it.rrns.put .In execution, the Church of Ire len( would cease to exlst—(Heail , 1 ,i Sir R. INGI4I sand ! .if he hid a n y doubt is to the 'es'antrik oihii tilitii!iY'i *teak it WoUld bid beiti de . elded bit that speech' of the Nome Pryer oT, die 4ddiess.. In, o=ooo-p lace Rapids. tit! word "c der - " iiiiianYt9 tile ittars‘qi subject into ainstdrialork•—(A laugh): flit in tlifliariktilif Casklt Meant can aiiiiiii.— Seleie fida. illair.f• appeared 10:.$11aVept.). Ai wiin tilietrtliiit #ldaiand in ainlirmithin if his giterirrtation he would *OM rii chi Hon. Baroti'et.thes Illktidwi for Weiiminner;,Ol to nor oilier Minds* who had bicitiffie tiros:re alit motion upon the subjecOn which the word was used—( Hear). Such then behig" the disc, wo u ld any mai, in that Heise tall hint Alit ft wai not intended to *mina, the Proteirint Church? He maintaloed that such eon be the elect of hardier cohcesilon to the Roman Catholics.— /1; bad no doubt tbit:a system of indaddation hid mandy led to the presentresult. Hi wits aware that public ciphsion bad often lit . „,oduriicksitles In public feeling; Imp in the rase of the Catholic Weds* it wasdechledly cod sinerpdeur,ally against any furtheem*. ees-lash to tenths public 9ploioq was Dow Awl,' ARkttPailY ogang if-,The peArliotf &eland ;stayed for.clie.preservllon ol be ; rro "At PiDAtnitOlixt ow s b as. sto wt o iie Aiclft iflft ftatim.thit ilsetr, prat erwoui Rim .Iye isnatt to 7 (lllgar,,4ear). It !psi a ' - gliarili *false the cycitutiiiit tbkt they took , no ti. ~- tr., relitilt i on fit* &Tip? for Chireflii if a, id t'elt'en ,plVei•l;i! er ihe , rtele tau f.f.#.#* . T . Yis , fit'is.f - . lt de diii - of fah Mat p#roas us prit :12 , a . 4 .. . 1 • Mee 'riot tioittof td eel i;sr al . eyents rtiil, ware Utica Aspteirini illiiilk,Pi, '-' ' . 0 for Hen' fpture . rilese Pie-a gcredlt Ione; gairtWi. tliN lit:F( 7 (4; ' ilign . he eilpieiikinirslim i iumeteeken.ebiatioomidolow.,o4 Alta: alone. Waled to. AV rgc'"' asuiliale I I cossta)Pird hi Isla Majesty p Speech irtutt.the Thane.— llaxab*.ia the Sleuth of Irpland and, tisclaltlete.ittgOlits itad produced it i. sod whit.: bi.44ed,, was it they .bed ititipsidsted ? %Vby no lees a man, dian Ailig. llkakeett. Welliniton—tHear).-- Ate would not now occupy mo,/ es.the thskof *colleen than to Oar that he was a .decided. Amply. to coneeesian to he Citholic-, iseceMe he eddied st)•0 1 1 I ntn the PrWistant ContiltilliAlls 4trd AILLIVN .41. he 11,,5* to addresi the .House il'all 'Fri di ff e'lli reillogs (Op thine which actuaitd:the Hon. b a ronet. Ilirears4 nay th'ititti firs ,41i;listis visa& greater saris Getiesi than on the. prestos oreasion. and be hoped that the union oaalreii),,aiiia i lla r. 4ritill by th e pintwed nieutures. It win. tg i r o Mals loin oi te dief:Toverurnetir.md it masnore dsisbni tau t voligiry. thi. present weir ewer* gtiorio u i 'thaw the victory ni ..let es, C the ,thistle e.ltiquevt eras one over pre/edict—a phrase liiiis lie use.lwithunt any invidious tne4hitit—Aut that was alio couss 7 ,r., tie vvristid net akar into a ril strut 'l•e s FM , i't itt• RIO.. kit dill k v%eit ' .' that tilinireS I. • g7l:k.t A i or iiitatrifi'Aidalen dse' l'•-ii A'sto c al s ra aouid, ! r -Pt C l a = t ie t w a ll , ear s P e n)•-. rai1ik224 0 4 0 7 * se mi the w eve every eafneett and • 31ajtoty'l Garman% Sant bake* that they woad iit i iewo wid.aoneeroble etatoww. _ • . Mr. N ; FITZQERALD ea premed the delight wbitb lie facie I;tasies tho Spaeth ken the Thee,. Ile bed leog,ea. •tie!ilated that the mill oiled cif the Dike Of Weltkoven , would ice safer Wand to moils ii the ieedhiest to addek the hid. keg beat plied. f t was aid, however; that the roptald 1 1 1 1 44ailln nose free% lotholdades...hothaidadao. Wad! and that tip.. as, Dubs c le,nalffspustreue.. The ilinstrious Duke was actuated by far difereest ntedvesg he wished to gone. vent a civil wi t ; and if he hid not interfered. there .was no mowing what would he the result. His Governitent deserved the grateful thanks of the country s and he was sure that the security of property and the stational honour would be elf ctuaily secured by the wise , and s.lotary measures to be, pro: posed fur the torisiderathin of the House. With respect to the Catholic Association. be thought. if they bad any wisdom. they would not require a legislative measure for its dissolution. Again he thanked the Government for the wisdom they had displayed, and he hipped their eih;rts would he crowned with deserved success. Mr. MAX 4ELL decd sreti his decided hostility to any further c.meessioti being Made to the Roman Catholics. Hi had so pledged himself to his constituents, and he Considered that be would be unworthy of a seat in that House if he did not thtts openly .spd feelemey declare his opinions. Ile regretted that ma this occasion he was obliged to differ with, those Hun. p i ristada : whom he had been so long aitailied, brit a sense of duty cc hiM to make these few observations. , Mt. EILOWNLOW said. tha t he was a c t u a te d by Stelingt.of gratitude and joy ; bat by none more than those IE4 'genera of the sentiments contained in his , Majesty's Madame Speech from the ThiOne. From that Speech every matt le Ireland must derive pleasure, and every man henceforth would be anoint/ to worship his Ceirroa as be thought proper. There were some passages of the Speech which he thought harsh and unmeessary, yet he,now felt more real pleasure than on .aor ether occasion slam he catered into public life. The peace and prosperity of , [Mimi wails& now be secured, and all the best Institutions of this, sim mink, be 'laced upon a more valid and permanent roundel's...l; This he might say, is the language of his countrymen, great day fur Ireland,' and he trusted for the future, In w ti of the distinction of Catholics and Protestants, that all be known as Fellow-Christians and Members of a Free State.... ,(Hear. hear ; hear). Such measures as these now recommended would confer real honour on their author, and shed more red lustre upon the Duke of Wellington than the ensaneuitted glades of Waterloo—(ber. bear). He must mates. he envied the glories of that transcendently great man, that he should fall en arch times and such circumstances as to be able to bring this me unctuous question to so happy a consummation. Pitt and Pm, Wyndkant.and Sheridan, would have died to accomplish this great object ;hiost It was reserved far the Duke of Wellington to achieve what their best efforts could Dot accomplish. The wand of. the Catholic's enchantment, to nee the language of one of the most eloquent men. JD the Association, was their oppression, anal that once t 'ken away or censored by liberal concession. he was sere his colahttymxii would bail the proffered boon with the most grateful and ardent affection, and an unabated love fur the prosperity of Me British Empire., tie hoped that neither threats nor taunt, wield diet the Government from proceeding ; he hoped that elfeld Siet hherolits. and not with a grudging band, and them he ,doieght that all.the weakness and divisions in the Empire drool by at an rod. If the Gueeenment were taunted. as they might be, with britig.,di (rated on th.s great question, they Might triumph? aptly anewsr, that inevitable circumstances and the general into► tests of she coon ry had aloste fed to k—(Hear, hear). Mr. (4. MOQUE said, the announcement of Emits? eipatiun would be received by the people of Ireland with sork, and dismay, however it may be received by a portion of the people of England. With respect to the Meetings adverted to, and denominated as mobs. he could Watt? that the character of . them !rag decidedly the contrary—they were composed of rank, chancier, and talent, and were truly of a description not only respectable, hut most icluential. On the subject of Catholic Emancipative hit opi 7 Mons remained unchanged; he entertained the greatest, respect for the character and abilities of the Duke,of Wellington, but he emd4 not consent to surrender those opinions. fle.bad his doubt, of Ilse policy of,thitliart tat the Address whkb related to Inland, audit thought the only accusity for preserving inviolate the Protestant Establishments was to adhere to the principles of the Consiitution of Iftii—(tlear). , . The )oltifiTtlf K4KKYezplaioe3. dieCkimed Ili intention of casting reflections open the ,protestant meetings whitebad tidien place in Ireland within the last de months. Mr. Secretary PEEL then 'rose, and addressed the peaker as follows —Sir, I trust that my Honourable 'Friend who has s, oken last, and my Noble Friend who represents the county of Buckingham, and my two Honourable Friends opposite,will believe that, amongst the sacrifices of tieing which a public man in the dis charge of a public duty infrequently obliged to make, the most distressing is, when they find themselves com pelled by an irresistible sense of duty to separate them selves in public affairs 'from those men for whose hue. grity and Conicent • imis conviction they entertain the most sincere and the most profound respect. But my Honourable Fria nds, Whilst they continue to maintain ,the opinions which they have always entertained, and to act tip to the fill extent of those opinions, will, I trust, admit that myself and his Majesty's other Minis teri are placed in I condition somewhat &Erma from that of ussy liOnonr usable Blends. They will admit that we have access to some s:urces of information which are inaccessible to them ; that we a e answerable for cOnsequences for .thick the, are not answeralde; and, above . all, that we stand in a :elation the Crown Which irripoies duties of a high and peculiar na ture in the persons so situated, and which obliges them honestly and candidly to give to the Crown the brit ad vice which it may be in their power to tender in any state of circumstances which may arise. Placed in this relation to the Crown, we have no alternative remain. ing ; and, whatever may be the understanding on which an adMinistration may have been formed—whatever stipulations may have been made with reference to par ticular opinions —such Compact. and reservations can not relieve a Minister from giving the Crown his mositive advice # n iron any important conjecture which say arise. There is no expression . of reproach which can proceed from my Honourable Friends 'Which` I shall take ill; but, although I no entortain, open this itlisjecr, the same opinions which I have ever .entertained, yet I think my Honourable. Friends will .adasit,that it is not impossible to entertain the same opi nions as befqe,.withnut posiessing the power nf press ingg in practice to the extent which we may and I Unhesitatingly declare that there is' A in the :present circumstances, much less of evil, and much of danger, in taking the state of Ireland into con ,xideration with A . united government, than there could be found in any other course whateTer l I pretend to no new light upon the iubject I entertain the semis principles whikri I have ever entertained upon the sub., .j ct. 1 *Ow see as Clearly as ever the dangers upon; ,which I have so often dwelt. But I am bound to deka! dere, that the pressure of present evil is so great and ovetwhelminit, that I am, willing to incur the, risk of t shine ientingent.dangei to esCipe from that which is great ind iihminint(cheirs). Retaining the opinions 'sfill'oict I have eve' entellained upon this itibject, and which. I have s 6 fiequently expressed in this place, I ipym jp . r . se say that, cnnsidming . the position of the go .. .rnment of the country and.the position of the legiv ifuieconsideriti* the disinion which has prevailed this stiqed in hit Majesty's Cotincili, and oppoil idon whikh it had for the list given years produced .between the two Hou us cf Parliament—and, consi ,dering the, effect of . all these circumstances upon the state of Ireland, I see grounds which induce me v.) ac cept al'mos't my tilternative as an amendment upon tut present condition. F the list 25 yeais 011ie Mr. ('itt came into Office, in'the year 11306) there has existed t division in his Majesty's Councils upon the subject of .fie men Cruhnlic . questi l e. ,The.government bad at ditferent.provioua t iutervals adop t ed ! common course reiistinef to airyr eft4raliOn'of these laws. But for the 'Felt eve- did tieelity years differenee of opnicin upon hequeseoti .was admitted in Alse etwlncils 4.t the. King. When Mr. Pstt game into office in 1804, be (as was nltAtiotx4 atitertaitaid, ft •ettertg Anise to settle the siestion by some . tallifutpry. mrsogeostot. He had, it was true,,risisted Oa, pyoposition fee taking the quemiop into . consideration. just , . he did so. on irgentla of tensPorOFY • coliVanintcst. sad . Dot from any reasons connecied ..strith .the general priACi tele. In 1806, when Mr. Ones government was hrpken up, and that o r Lord7Grenville and . Mr. Fox kompf, fhg principle.nt neutrality unfelt the ca thedielze.tion a as o n e of jhe . covenants. _upon which . • . that 'chirpiness was fronded; and it was matter of nowt ietY that the same principle had bean acted upon in the constitution of ..every adnsini, grating' which has been fnrmed in the country from that time until now. It is perhaps a. una voidable as it is naiad- us.that every administration in this counny fir the last taenty .seven. year; had admitted persons who differed. in opinion upon the Catholic question. It *here was any error in this it was at least one which most public men had committed. I do not mean to say that all public, men acted upon this ,principle. bat it certainly bas been pitticipated in by those who bay, stated the councils of digit .Sovereign foe the last 2.5 years. I am far from apprnsing. el this pit:kelpie. No Rs en feels more than I do the evils to which it leads.— But 1 think thatj in the actual circumstances of the country, to act upon ,peintiple was entirely un avoidable. The difference .which existed ansons# pubic men upon the subject of. the Catholic Ques tion was so great., that .it was r..und impossible to make up ...an .Adiainists..Ceeen which conld bate any reasonable hope ,of carrying cm,thir business of the Government, if it had been founded upon say other principle than that of, admitting, in the Members of the CabieWt diffetence_ of opipi as. upon the sub , jest of the Catholic Question, Men were obliged to yield to the necessity of the times, and to adopt a course Which., although, they believed it to be pre judicial, they knew to be unavoidable. .A.nd it .was certainly n I total, when the country tens placed in cir cumstances of slitfictilty and peril, that men who had at heart the general prosperity of their common country .ticruld nreege for a tile, their differences .upon the subject of the Catholic, question, for the parpose of pro- curing seeder union and energy iq the Government. —To ;eon* . noser to the present stave of . affairs. 1 shall not hesitate to declare, in the first -place, that in the present, state of the country ,Gevernment d'suoited : it a question. and proiessing to act ppon a principle a passiveness and otutrality, was al. together out of the qnestion. At a time when this anbject engrossed. universal attention throighout the ,countsy q nod when every. individual in Vie State was expressing an 'minion upon the. subject, it is impossible for the Government to avoid entertaining and signifying their judgment upon a point which agitates the whale community. These considee minus oblige me to come w the C. ncloaion, that, for the safety of the Protestant reliAinn and Froteitant institutions of the country, it is absolutily ao l indispelseably necessary for the Admi nistration to nbandoq the principle of neutrality on this ell absorbinkquestion. .The bearing upon the state of Ireland of the devisioni which had.hitherto existed upon this subjecr x in the Cabinet had been prejudicial in the extreme, Each patty in the Cabinet wished that its own principles. should have the greatest weight and most powerful support in the government of Ireland. It was, therefore, a matter of inevitable necessity that the Ger.', erernsient of Ireland should be divided upon the questis n as long as divisions continued in tb- Cabinet here.— There have therefore, been Goveenments in Ireland in which, the Lord Lieutenant was favoutable to the con cessions of the Catholic claimi, and the Secretar y hostile to them; whilst in other governments the Secretary was an advocate of Emancipation, and the Lord Lieu tenant opposed to it; and. in other instances, the Lord Lieutenant and Secretary being united in their princi ples, were acting,under a Cabinet which was divided upon the measure. The state of Ireland has. however : at last become inch as to render it impossible that the Government of that country can any longer be consti tuted on a . principle t.f neutrality or division; and the most inattentive observer must be convinced that affairs in that country cannot any longer continue as they are, My Right Hun. Friend will admit that, if the wonky of the Protestant establishments is to be consulted. affairs in Ireland canny t continue as they ate. Now, I will risk, whether, in the present state of things, it is at all pos sible to form a Gavel nment upon the pi inciple of united and. permanent hostility to the Catholic Claims? 1 think the formation of an Admiaisto ation on such around to be totally impossible in the.present circumstances of the country. 11, then, the present state of affairs can not continue, let us who maintain the opinions which we have always entertained, inquire how any Minister could honestly and wisely recommend hii Majesty to attempt the formation of a Government on princi ples of united and permanent resistance to the claims of the Roman Catholics. I say permanent resistance, because to form above; me it upon a principle of tem porary tesiitance you admit, in fact. that the resistance as expedient only during the continu 'ace of some state of things which now exists; but th rte al soon as this condition of things shall be changed, or s hall cease to nisi, that then resistance Ought to be abandOned. 'Now, in this reaspning the principle is immeJiately gone even in the efforts to establish it. I never thought that any good reiulted from I resistance founded upon chniideratintii that were Only temporary. and that opinion is. now stronger than before. If it should be said that the government ought not to appear to yield to the expressions of strong opinions which had -been delivered upon this subject, I answer that this is an argument which would always propagate itself, and which. if Once .admitted. would exist for ever. The petsoni interested in perpetua ing the present state of affairs would never fail to excite such feelings as would produce the expressions complained of; and the effect would be not only to prevent Concession linen taking plice,btit to preveni it upon groriudi.thatwete alto gethei unfair; for no man will say that it would be fair to found a permanent resist once to the Catholic claims upon such a ground as this. It is, tberefne, useless to attempt forming an administration on the ground of temporary resistance to concession. To ground it upon a permanent and uniform_ resistance would be impossible. I could not advise his Majesty to .attempt the formation of a government on such a principle,. as I am convinced that the attempt must fail, and that the consequence of the failure would be to endanger, in the last degree, the Protestant institutions of the country, by fencing on a precipitate and involuntary settlement of the question: !Phase, in the short interim between the settlement and the failure of the experiment, a vast quantity of addi tional animosity and jealousy would be generated. which, besides the di tress net scarily attendant on ihe,e excitement-, could not f.ll to increase the danger which it is intended to avert by the measures which are now to be adopted. Seeing that in the last Session ref Parliament a majority in that House recommended that the pa inciple e f concession should be acted up a and that no governm nt which was opposed, upon a vital question, by so considerable a number of .the House of Commons .. could conduct with ache:dace 'the huisear - of the.t oontry. cramped in their aWMltria. and opposed. as they Must be; in spelt citemastaticeas I will, ask if these can be any reasonable hope that a government so coratituted and c r:urn to cad could cattiness to ezi t? These comidesa io n s a ug h t not, perhaps,. to influerce the minds or legalise the condnct of , honourable friends ; bet those Who- filled responsible .siteatiors near his Majesty are boned to recommend his Majesty to adopt the college which they believed to be .oiust conducive to the seen- I its and.prosperity of the Empite. On a full costsidera ijonot all 14 circumsr.ances..ll am entirely satisfied that In Adminiorative,f omelette') the principles of,perma mit tebittance is entirely out of t' e question. 11 them fOse such. sin, Administration cannot be formed, there is .eft no other course but that which is now proposed; and I ice . in the positions of the G ivernment of the country at. the present moment a strong reason h.y we should now atemptto take the whole state of Itelaad into consideratioss. with a viesetn. effect sock a settlement of this most impotent que Aloe as should be s.itisfactory to ail patties intere s ted in the re- ult. I shall aticm . n ask y MA. Froes.ds, it ti er.do unt tee in the divisions.which the discussi n of this question has pto• duce fl Owen the tuo . Houses of the Legislature an a !onfidial reason for endeavouring to effect assails poiiible a final and '4O-factory settlement of the ques tion? aisce the sear .1807 these have been five general elections in this countay,. namely, in 1808, 1812.1818. 1820. 1826 ; and pi the five Houses of Comnions they elected, fowelsed.ndopted resolutions favourable to the concession of. the . 4 }nag Catholic claims. The evil rf the difference between the House of Lords and the House of Commons on this questirm was very great; it acted prejudicially ps the Government of Ireland, and the contention . occasioned by the agitation of the ques tion encouraged and kept alive the spirit of faction.. I ~ assert that the continued declarations in favour of the removal of,their disabilit;es served to strengthen the Catholic interest in Ireland. My reasons for the course I hate crow ado r ned wise from the continued divisions in hit Majestys Councils, and Irons the differences betneen the two branches of the Legislature, and sifter deep and dispassionate deliberation there appeared to be no alteinative.ftee from difficulty and danger save the. consideration of this que s tio n . Thi s I h ave a d v i se d. f9dvis I conceive, in consistency with soy opinions.— MY Honourable Ft iend bas asked what are the particular measures intended ,to .be proposed by Government? There is nothing io the Address pledging me or any other individual to any measure respecting the question of conceisions. The first measure to be submitted to Parliament ism) arm the Esecutive with sufficient power to repress the Catholic Association, the evils from which are so notur ions. It was necessary for the maintenance of proper authority not to di cuss measures of tor cesiton until the lew had gained the ascendancy in Ireland. The majesty iif the law would be vindi cated by . Ministers. and ,no measure affecting. the question would be pp,-,osed until that e 'coda{ object was accompliihed. ra Friend hid asked if it was the intention of Government to throw the question loose on the House. to abide the chances of di:cussisin? I have no hesitttion. in informing my friend that such is not the course intended to be asiol ted. In consider ing this question, so often hamlled, and so generally understood, it would not be necessary to agitate it anew, although, technically and forntally, it souk' be sub mitted to i Committee. It would be propose' upon Ministerial responsibility at as rally a period, as early as Circumstances would permit. His Honourable Friend had asked what was the character of the intended measures, and bad complened of the want of de tails. 1 will go thus far as. to reuse to enter into the whole of the details, to discuss which in the interval, previous to their being submitt d to the House, would serve no purrose. It we uld be the object of his Majesty's Government, as it is their bof e, to settle thii question permanently and satisfactorily—(Heir). It would be their endeavour to remove the disabilities of the Cathi-lics, at the same time making such esc r ',- lions and regulations as would be considered tight and neceetaiy. la avowing the I r ncip7e of the measure to be the adjustment of this important question. aud.the abolition or distinction . in civil privileges--.(Heat)—l beg it to he distinctly understood that the isomer of pro posing nbitever exceptions and regulations may be deemed necessary is resetved. The measure,proposed by Government is not to be viewed in the light de compact wide any body of men—(Hear, bear)--but as smeasure .csf domestic legislation ; apd Pailianseet woos' adopt whatever it considered essential fit the tranquillity of the country, without teletence to tics of any deureption. Much good would molt from ,the settlement of this question.. The minds of men would be calm.d. and Parliament issould then be able to apply itself to any principle affecting the welfare of Ireland with the same energy and freedom that accompany its deliberations regarding England and Scotland. The House would deal with the CA , tbolics as with any other subjects. I wish that the set. tlement of the question bad the advantage of complete unanimity. but, come what might, it has the advaroara of beiog fur the public good. TI are was no reason to assume that concession would lead to unconstitutional encroachment. But stippo,ing that attempts were made to trench on the privileges of the. Crown, or to innovate upon the legislature, they would be at once and eget- tually rebuked. There would be no want of ability to . contend against encroachment or to arrest presumption. My Hon. Friend has said that he knew of nothiag within the last six weeks to alter Iris opinions; yes his own re. &Fence to the Clare election, and to 'writs that might by possibilty have occurred in twenty counties, warp strikingly opposed to, his statement, and was in itself an important proof of the necessity of considering it, question. It -MO been asserted that my Noble Friee4 at tie head of the Goverismeot and his colleagues welts compelled to resort to the peon' course from kid. miitation. If this were to, which I deny, if they acted from a sense of ,danger—it was a most cul pable species of terror; but there is another kind of few much mote to be guarded against, the fear of being thought to be ahaid—(Hear, bear). Govan meat had not been unobservant of the events of last summer; and trite it was that the Catholic Association had had, recourse to intimidation. which. if protected in, Government was prepared to exert all its authority to suppress it. Had an Attempt been made to carry the measure in- Ibis way. I have no doubt that the loyalty of the country, unaided by a single soldier, would have put it do wo. Such me attempt would only draw down punishment on its abettors ° • and any fear connected with it, was onthey futile. Bet them is a rational fear of agitation in-Ireland; it is grounded 0O the disu slum of the nation, and it is impossible to see the disorganization of society without entertaining this appte'.e ) tiOgh T, eging's subjects would have repressed attempts at We i * violence; butlhere are evils which nothing can repress but the, consideration of this quer,. Lion. There is a point never yet Whittled to, which, of all others, now eeighs upon my. mind; that is. the adasinstration of criminal justice in Ireland. I firmly - 't el e , e that it tbeG Tannic t telllAir s as 't basbeestAire. interested, and if the 1 Wilk is lobe dlstracted by Wu. 1