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London ; Sackville.street. Dublin ; de lecoeureet. Edinburgh ; and the principal Medicine Yen ' dm. Of arenas may 'be had MORIt I S'S BRUNSWICK COEN PLASTER, an excellent Remedy fur eradicating Corns, ilaiisas, Ike. in boxes at ls. lid. and es. ad. ' LOOIfNG.GLASSES, UPHOLSTERY, AND HOUSE. AGENCY. HENRY L. COOPER. 93, Bisoorstarg-wriser. Wrrunt, UPHOLDER, ESTATE, and HOUSE AGENT solicits the attention of Families to the following Ar tidegz tkes decidedly reasonable for Furniture of a superior *atm:tore: llrg OLASS—Free the immense reduction which has now tam place, can be offered (even of magnificent sines) na low as particularly to interest Noblemen and Oen. than *dross of fitting up their Houses with this emi fashionable Artick, whether for Drawing or Miag Remus, Sash Windows or Conservatories in imposed ;tastier's; for the latter purposes his Plate Glass will be found, in a relative degree, cheaper than Crown Glass. SECOND-HAND LOOKING GLASSES coresteutly on Sate, at a still more coml. demi* reduction. CARVING and GILDING, in all its Branches, with a rich assortment of Chimney, Pier, Chrral, and Toilette • - - Frames, constantly on view. Gentlemen preferring the Frames of Paintings or Prints regilt, will find the Terms particularly deserving notice. PAUIisHA NG I NG—ln every Decorative Department, in the first style of elegance, upon soh a redszed Scale as will cause a most material saving in large residences. CABINET WORK—Manufactured in a superior manner, with' , every attention to the newest Fashion, and latest Ins- 1 • • provement. In this Department will be found a great variety of the most }Octant Articles, admirably adapted, for Noblemen's and Gentlemen's Seats. 01/ TOR UPHOLSTERY ARRANGEMENT, H. L. C. has studied to combine Taste with }Penance, and respect ' telly solicits the attention of the Nobility and Gentry to the superb and elegant manufacture of Silk Da mask!. Tabourets. &c. which. in consequence of the reduced duty on Silk.he is now enabled to offer on terms en comparatively moderate, as must establish that nag. nificent description of Furniture, in preference to the inferior articles hitherto in u.e. Families can be waited on in any part of the United Kingdom, with Designs and Patterns, at no other charge than the travelling expenses. "PNERALS PURNISHED—oarid conducted with the greatest attention. from the plainest to the most sump hibition of Mourning Grandeur. with consistent re . • gard to economy. • BALES BY AUCTION, APPRAISING, and HOUSE- A GEN CY—He continues to Register Estates, Houses, and Effects, for Public or Private Sale ; and few con cerns in the Metropolis, arising from his long esta blishment, poets more extensive connections for the dispoOl of Property.—Household Furniture purchased st liberal prices, or removed for Disposal, if Wei on the Premises are objected to—SURVEYS and VA LUATIONS made in Town or Country.—Lewes by Fire arranged, and Valuations of Property, for the purpose of Administration to Wills, executed with all requisite attention and dispatch. 0. L C. has the honour of being employed and patronised by same of the first Families In the Kingdom; and for Style and Price challenges competition with any re. spectable Establishment.—Ho. 93, Bishopsgate-street, IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. -HOUSE OF LORDS, MAY 46. But GOWER lamented a Petition Irons the ironmee of Sheep - IWe against die Last India Company's monopoly.—Ordered tole on the table. Sir A. Gaon, and other Meniben of the House of Commie% brought up the National Debt Reduction Boat, sad the linbarter Bias Rill. Sir E.Kitarcuauta. brought up the Sheerest' Improvement Bill. Several private Hills were also brought up, which were sabot speedy read a Int time. • Mr. Sumas presented as Amain of the 'Receipts and Repos dkure of the Dover Harbour for the past year. The Consolidated Funds Bill, the Justice of Peace (Wales) Bill, and eleven private Bins, were road a third time, and passed. The Six Clerks' °Mee Bill was ferwarded through Committee, oat the Report thereon received. Several private Bills were read a second dine. Lord TENTERDEN said, be bad to present a Peti tion from an individual named Smith, who stated him. self to be it bookseller, residing in Liverpool, praying that a Bill, which was now in progress through Parlia ment. entitled " A Bill for the better regulation of Schools of Anatomy," might not pass into a law. The petitioner appeared to him to have mistake. tl e prowl lions of that Bill. With regard to its general tenour be. would not now take upon him to make any remark; the question for their Lordships to decide was, whether the good derivable from the proposed measure would compensate for the inconvenience arising therefrom? lie would take the libel ty merely to add, that there did appear to him some clauses in the Bill which requited some amendment, and when the Bill went into Com mittee he should mention what those tl loses were.— The petition was ordered to lie on the table. COIRPoIATIoN or LONDON. Lord DURHAM said he held in his hand a Petition which, as it referred to a subject which was to come under their Loidships consideration that evening, he would take tie liberty of presenting then; it was trona use of the officers of the city of L adon—a person whose name might be familiar to many of their Lord ships. The individual was Mr. Henry Hunt, who, al though perhaps his specific political opinions were not suck as their Lordships wi-uld concur in, bad yet made statements in that petition . which were well worthy' their consideration. The petitioner stated that be had been fur the space of. the last two years engaged in auditing the accounts of the Corporation"( London, with a view to investigate what they really were; and. after considerable difficulty, he stated that he has ascertained that they possessed a number of houses "Mounting to 600, which, together with the lands the' pa -bested, retuned to them a revenue of neari) . 150,0001 annually. He stated it to be his opinion *tom okat h. knew of the accounts, that the funds they possessed were amply sufficient for meeting every es . ienditure ne"e.sary in repairing the roads leading t . ,th.. London-bredi4e, and therefore he prayed that n additional lazes might be levied on the public for Ma Pl' Pose. At the desire of the Noble Baron the petition our read 8 4 length. "Rd laid on the talk Lord MELVILLE, in moving the Qrder of the Da! for thr o forther conudelation of a petition f rom t h e L oi s • I "7"v s Aiiieinfon, and Carnation of the City of Lo. don. pralieg th a t their Lordships would e ith er to i llicit genet let the redaction Of certain account,, o , TUESDAY EVENING, MAY 26, 1829. else hear the petitioners by Counsel in support of the matter contained in their petition, said, in deciding up.m this question he certainly felt that their Lordships were placed in considerable difficulty. The matter might appear to involve the privilege of their Lordships' House; on the other hand, however, he apprehended that, although they would allow no one to call in ques tion the-existence of their privilege, yet, if any act of :heir Lordships had been agreed to whereby the private and personal interests of any body of men might,be in jured, their Lordships would not refuse to hear what t ry had to state in their own defence. ft appeared to, him that if there were any intention on the part of the petitioners' Counsel to plead against their Lordships' privilege to demand the production of those papers, or against their Lordships general usage or practice upon those points, their Lordships should not be disposed to hear them ; but it did appear ro have been provided by the petitioners that their Counsel should confine them selves to the mere argument, that the order which, by their Lordships' authority and discretioS, had been made, would, if put into execution, be injurious to their private interests. It did not therefore appear to him that their Lordships could refuse to hear the petitioners. With these few remark, he would. comet* himself with moving the Order of the Day, reserving himself for whatever might tall from other Noble Lords upon the subject. rd DURHAM said he merely rose not to object to Counsel being heard against the order, but to state his opinion that the pray,/ of the petition should not b e granted. lo giving his assent to the hearing of Counsel, he did it on this condition, that they should confine themselves to the statements made by the peti tioners respecting the injurious tendency of that order upon their private interests, without entering into any question involving the privileges of that House. He would state as a precedent, shit similar accounts to those now ordered had been obtained from the Corpo ration of the City of Edinburgh. without any regard to the injuty it might be to individual feeling or interest. The Earl of LAUDERDALE thought the matter was one which concerned the privileges of their Lord ships' Hou e; and, in consequence, that i Committee should, in the first place, be appointed to report wee dents. A transaction took place in the course of last year which his Noble and Learned Friend (Lord Eldon) would probably recollect. He referred to the case of 1 Lord Shrewsbury, when it was decided not to hear the arguments of Counsel at their Lordships bar, either imposing a meaoing on any transactions occurring in their Lordships House, or at all interfering with the pri vilege which they possessed. Before they proceeded to decide upon the question, he certainly thought it would be well to appoint a Committee to see if any similar in ' stances had occurred in ishick Counsel had been beard at the bar ; but he believed no precedent could be found. ' Lord ELLENBOROUGH was of opinion that if the mode proposed by the Noble Baron were adopted there could be rio such thing as establishing uniformity. The petitioners did not question the authority of tbe Hooke. They said, that in proceeding to the exercise of their Lordships' authority an effect would be produced inks riots to their personal interests, and prayed for the re. peal of that order. But in consequence the sugges tion of the Noble Baron, he thought that this- course would be the most desirable one—to give directions to the Lord Chancellor to inform the Counsel what course they were to take in pleading before the bar. The Marquis of LONDONDERRY considered that the Corporation bad actually refused to produce the papers ordered by their Lordships. The House had come to a decision that the papers should be produced. The order had been served upon the Corporation of London, and he could not help thinking that in punn ing the course they bad done the petitioners bad acted equivalent to an actual refusal. He conceived that their Lordships could not depart from their usual course without the privileges of the House being at issue. The Marquis of LANSDOWN agreed o lib the Noble Lord (Ellenborough) in the course proposed by him. It seemed to his the most proper mode that could be pursued. Earl GREY thought that the petitioners should be beard by Counsel at the bar. If the question were one which involved either the privilege or the practice of the House, be thought the petitioners ought not to be beard; but, as the .question was different, be saw no objection their Lordships could have to bear them. He, however. thought the petition was improperly worded, tor, after representing that they were only accountable for those funds they received in trust from Parliament, they proceeded to espies, their confidence that the House would agree with them in thinking that the pe tioners ought not to produce those papers. He con fessed he could not pet fectly understand the petitioners meaning; all the toads they possessed he should think were in the nature of a trust. However ' what thi peti tioners prayed for was to b e simply lwfard upon the manner in which their Lordships order went to injure their interests. Certainly, if the petitioners meant to refuse to produce those papers, he thou4bt that a stop• should be put to such a proceeding. The Bill which was now in progress 'through Parliament bad been called a private bill, yet it was fir the purpose of levy. log a public tas ; it was a general tax, for a particular and special purpose; and all he would then state was, that be certainly would never gilt* the sanction of his vote for the Bill for levying that tar unless it could be shown that the Corporation vas not in the possession of funds adequate to the object they had is view, which funds, if they were is possession of them, ought to be applied to that object. He agreed with the suggestion made by the Noble Lord (Ellenborough). Lord ELLENBOROUGH said, the abotioa be had to submit to the House was, 44 That in‘tructioes be given to the Lord Chancellor to direst the Counsel Z. confine their arguments to the proof that an injetr would be sustained by the petitioners by the order of the House being carried into force." The LORD CHANCELLOR having pet the motion. Earl GREY said, this being a question of prirrileget, e thought that in their arguments at the bar the Coos sel should be restricted to the point of injury . hich the Corporation anticipated from a compliance t;ith• their Lordships Order. Lord ELLENBOROUGH thought that if it would . . 'cot be in Some degree to compeomise the dignity of heir Lordsbips' that Coun s el should, on being ailed in; be big, ucted not to s•iy any thing interfering with their I,nrchrops' prsale,es. . . . EArl * GREY said he had d rawn ups reaolutine which e was suit would meet and obviate all dilficaltie.,ark cave the CONCUlrltnet at thCli M That this House will not allow any question to be raised by Counsel at the bar respecting the privileges of this House or the mode in which they have been exercised, but that they (Counsel) shall be directed by the Lord Chancellor to confine their observations to the manlier end degree in which the interests of the peti tioners would be affected by the production of the ac counts required by the orders of this House." The ktarquis of LONDONDERRY bad no intention of impeding the case of the petitioners, but the question before their Lordships was a new one, the difficulty co , dealing with which was proved by consideration. The Noble Earl had been obliged to apply to the terms of the resolution which had just been read. He, therefore, suggested to the Nobl e Earl whether the better course would not be to appoint a Committee to watch foi precedents before their Lordships should consent to hear Counsel. The Earl of ELDON, in a low tone of voice, put it to their Lordships whether it would not be more in coo. formity with their Lordships dignity that the petition should be withdrawn, and a new one presented, which should confine itself to the single point which their Lordships seemed disposed to allow Counsel to touch upon. If Counsel were now to be called in they w. uld necessarily proceed to argue in support of the whole petition, and, might in that way feta to subjects the mention of which their Lordships wished to prohibit. His Lordship concluded by deprecating the resolutions before their Lordships. Lord ELLENBOROUGH could not pretend to have a perfect recollection of that which had taken place eight or nine years since, on the occasion of the pro ceedings which were c a ll e d 4. the Queen's Trial ;" but, if his memory did not deceive him, a precedent for the very resolution now before their Lordships might be found in what had occurred on that occasion. The Noble and Learned Earl (Eldon) had just now sug gested that the petition of the Corporation should be now withdrawn, and that another should be presented, so worded as to admit of Counsel framing on it aro menu to which their Lordships could not object; but that course would be unnecessary; if he were correct in his reference to the Queen's trial, at which period the Noble and Learned L .rd had sat on the woolsack. He (Lord Ellenborough) w as quite sure that in one instance at least on that occasion Counsel were heard at the bar in support of a petition, having beep previously directed by the Lord Chancellor to apply their .arguments to only a particular portion of the petition. He thought, therefore, that the better course would be to adopt the resolution before their Lordships. Lord GODERICH said, their Lordships were speak ing of ditectiag counsel to be beard at the bar without having agreed to the preliminary question that Counsel should be beard. Lord ELLENBOROUGH said, that question was involved with the Noble Earl's resolution. The Earl of MALMESBURY asked, would the pe tition remain upon their Lordships Intrust, ? because, if so, it would appear that, however jealous of their privileges their Lordships were, they had, nevertheless, plac possed the petitipaers in the most i n d u l gent poe.tios ible. The Marquis of LANSDQWN said, thevetitioa would most certainly remain upon the Journals. The resolution .was then pat and agreed to, and Counsel were ordered to be called in. Mr. Harrison and Mr. Common Sergeant appeared at the bar ac cordingly. Mr. HARMON then proceeded to argue in support of the prayer of the petition of the Lord Mayor and Corporation of tbe City of London, in doing which he referred briefly to the circumstances which had com pelled the Corporation to apply to the Legislature for a Bill to enable them to raise the funds necessary for the completion of the new London-bridge and its op proacbes. The Learned Gentleman said it was proba bly in their Lordships' recollection that a new bridge having been deemed indispepsable, an Act was applied for in the fourth yea of his Majesty to authorise the Corporation of the City of London to erect the came, for which they had, in th e i r B r id ge -h ouse estates, ads:l trate funds; but after the introduction of the Bill it occurred to the Legislature that to raise the elevation' of the bridge, beyond ,the proposed plan would be a' great improvement, but which could not, of course , be done without considerable additional expense. Under those circumstances, on application from the Corpora tion, two clauses were introduced into the Bill, by which the City was protected from being called upon to pay any part of the increased expense consequent upon the departure from the original plan. and also against any actions that might be brought against them by indivi duals for damage sustained by the new works and al. mations. Those clauses he humbly submitted suffi ciently protected the Corporation. Having established that point. the Learned Gentleman proceeded to argue that the property of the Corporation of the City of Lori don ought, in conformity with recent precedents, to be' viewed as private property, held as sacred as if it be logged only to an individual, and left equally uncon . • to the proprietors. That doctrine bad been laid down by the highest authority in the State. There- tore he most respectfully submitted that the estates of the City of London, called the Bridge-bause estates, formed the only portion of their property winch the ex potation was bound to apply to the erection and comple tion of London-bridge, and that fund being exhausted. the other property of the Corporation could not, by any existing law, by any Act of theLegislature,be made appli. cable to expenses not contemplated by the Corporation origioally, and which increased expenditure would be incurred solely at the recommendation and under the sanction of the Legislature, which would provide funds for the purpose. He might, if requisite, refer to the practice in similar cases of improvements in corporate towns and cities, to show that in those cases the expense was never thrown upon corporations or bodies, but that it was defrayed by a rate operating generally on the in. habitants. In the present instance that course was not practicable, for the sum still required to complete the spproaches to London-bridge and other additional works being no less than 1.000.0001. sterling. it would w quite impossible that an assessment to that amount could be levied upon the inhabitants of the district in the immediate neighbourhood of the bridge, and even, ef practicable, it would be unjust, when the whole city (including. of course. the Bank. the Eubange, the ladle, House, and other pubuc bodies) sae to be equal gainers, soon the new bridge with the Corporation. To meet the new charge a wet fund must, therefore, be created, nd if, was to provide such a fund that the Corporation sad isppli.d to ore L relaters.. Aosust the latter pad PIUCI SZVINPENCII. of their Lordships' order be humbly but particularly ventured to contend. It called for accounts relating to ,all property held in trust by the Corporation of the City of London. property over which the City had no controal. The former part of the order might be cotta• plied with in a short time. but it would require three or four seeks to furnish the accounts required by the latter part, by which time, probably, the Session of Parliament would have terminated. Another year woold, there fore. necessai sly elapse ere the Bill n.,w before Parlia ment could be passed, and thus great incoavenieoce to the public would be experienced. For these reasons be humbly hoped, on the part of the City of London. that their Lordships would reconsiJer and modify the orde► which they had made. Common Sergeant (Daman) was shoot to fellow, when The Earl of LAUDERDALE ro•e, and suggested that it would be a waste of their Lordships' time to bear a second Counsel on the subject. Counsel were then ordered to vritbdraw. The Esrl of LAUDERDALE then moved a resole. Von that no second Counsel should be beard, to which , their Lordships agree-1. Viscount SIELVILLE said, that in his opinion no case had been made out to justify their Lordships in rescinding their order. Two modes of proceeding now presented themse;ves. One was, to allow the order to remain in lorcee—the other, to pass it setolatioo. de claring that their Lordships would persevere in en forcing the order, which Litter mode he thought the lea•t'a.l.isabk of the two. The Earl of LAUDERDALE said the Haase ought to call ntr the accounts forthwith. Lord ELLENROROUGH soggested a modification of the term " torthwath." Lord DURHAM said their Lordships ought tocOme to borne determination respecting what was faith*. to be done. The Committee was to sit to-moirow (ibis day) at one o'clock. Lord MELVILLE said it was for the Committee to decide what evidence it would require—whether. in short, the whole of the papers °Meted were necessary or not. Lord DURHAM contended that the order of their Lordships ought to be complied with to its fullebt merit. The preamble of the Bill recited that the City fends were exhausted. He had, in con►egoence. moved for the production of accounts, in order to ascertain that fact. and without which accounts it was quite iniposai ble tbat the Committee could come to any determination. Lord ELLENBOROUGH said, that no c• use could be productive of more practical inconvenience than con stant reference from the Committee above stairs to the House, and the interference of the House nith the Committee. The Marquis of LONDONDERRY contended that the Corporation hod a right to show in what manner they bad disposed of the fund already placed in their hands, and which (the Orphan Fund) had been created by a duty on coal, before they could claim a renewal of that tag. He thought that the Corporation ought to prose the insufficiency of their funds before they ova allowed to inflict the continuation of this tar upon the poor conorsers of coals in the city of London. And it would be highly discreditable to his Majesty% G •wera• meat if they allowed the Carporation to smuggle ibis job through the House in the way which had been at tempted. The Duke of WELLINGTON said that it sal v y tile that this question bad been submitted to 6.,retti. mem, and bad been f , r some time under the cobs' eva de° of the Lords of the Tieasury. who, up*n the amnion then bs fore them, thought it necessary to make sufficieut approaches to the new bridge; and un er these circumstances it was that the new Bill bad been brought into Parliament. But there was no conceal ment in the case. Their L .rdships would bear in mind that, when upon two loniser occasions ibis subj et had been mentioned in the House, he (the Duke of Welling ton) had expressly stated that it was not the intention of his Majesty's Government to reduce the tax upon coals, either that part of the t ax w h ic h came into the King's Treasury or which went to the city r f London. At that time this measure was under the consideratioe of the other House, sod Was these passed alter six Weeks? consideration of the whole subject. and of the very , qtresu doss which were now under consideration rn that House. But the question now was , whether their Lordships would sow prevent the Committee to which the Bill bad been referred 'from taking it into con•idesarinn merely because the Noble Lord opposite said that the papers for which be had mowed were Dec-essay to en. able the Committee to proceed with effect' Would the House decide that the Committee were not to ptoceed until these papers were produced ? He should tell their Lordships what the consequence would be--that the bridge would be consph ted, but the approaches would am, and there the bridge would be; but it would be absolutely impracticable to approach, even foe foot pas. stingers. This was a case which be thought would net be creditable either to the Government or the Puha. meet, or still less to 'that Howe. lf, however. the House, after the statements which it bad heard, were of opinion that the Committee ought not to proceesi for another year, be (the Duke of Wellington) had no jection. He bad fulfilled his du y in putting the sub ject into such a train as to 'brin g it b e f ore the Hawn. fbe arguments of the Noble Lord opposite (Dothan') and of the Noble Marquis (Londonderry) proceeded on Use ground that the city of Logsdon asserted in the pre amble of the Bill that they had unhands to defray the 'grease of constructing these apProaches except .the leads to be raised by this Bill. But they said no such thing. They only aliened that the bridge-house estates were not sufficient foe the purpose. They bad said not a word about their other funds being insufficient ; on the contrary, they bad stated in the Bill that the fourpeany duty on coals was applicable to the put.■ pose of these approaches, after payment of the pal and ist• reit of the Orphans Fund. These was also another tend which the city possessed, and whkh had been adverted to us the course of these disansions. namely, 11.5001. a-year, which was part of a fund created and unstained 67 Act of Parliament, far paying the principal pd interest of the debt due to the Orphans' feed, aid afterwards applicable to the par. pose of performing public works in the city. Under these cit corpselike' be thought it best to leave it to the Committee to decide whether these approaches ought to be made or ant. The neat vaginas was, in want mariner the sports were to be paid for ? This alse thought, was a question for tie Consansibee, and, baring been once refined to them, be thrseglittlianireseeoght not now to withdrew it fermi their considered. s. Lod DURHAM said, that by the yeas len rbo