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SPIRIT OP THE JOURNALS. Ttates.—A good deal of alarm and perplexity has arisen from the declared intentions of Government to modify the old system of sugar-duties. Whatever intricacy Mr. Huskisson and Mr. C. Gram may have anticipated from the scheme of reduction of which the oat. line was drawn, on Tuesday last, by the Chancellor of the Exche quer, must belong to the details of the measure ; for the principle, as it seems to us, is plain enough, viz. the proportioning the amount of tax directly to the marked value of the article ; so that sugar of Yhs. per cwt. shall no longer pay the same price with sugar of 60s. The effect proposed by this relaxation of impost on the low-priced sugar, is the important one of at once relieving that class of con. sinners by whom the low-priced sugars are purchased, and that class of cultivators on whose estates the pressure of the old tax has been , tit meet heavily,—viz. those which are capable of producing no ether but the coarse kinds of sugar. Undoubtedly, in considering his bill, the Chancellor of the Exchequer must be presumed to have given due weight to a branch of the question which was brought by Mr. Huskisson under the notice of the house—namely, the cape diency of so distributing the duties as to pretest the relief of the :Yarn sugars from working an additional and undue burden upon those of finer quality. Indeed, the scale is, we think, ingeniously contrived to counteract such a result. It is obvious to us, from the whole conduct pursued by the present Administration upon West India questions, that there is no interest in the empire more likely to obtain from it a fair, and even favourable, he ar in g . M r . Goul burn admitted frankly the distressed condition of a certain portion of our colonies. Cnaoxrcnt.—The bill appointing a new Chancery Judge! formed last night the subject of discussion ; but on account of the importance of the subject, and the lateness of the hour at which die' discussion commenced, the debate was adjourned to Tuesday next. The proposition for the adjournment drew from Sir Robert Pod some fresh remarks on the great waste of the time of the House which bad taken place that evening, in the discussion of matters of comparatively small importance, with respect to which, however, every one had something to say. The truth is, that t h e sort of business to which the Ri g ht Honourable Gentleman objects is the cnly business for which the House is fit. An assembly of six or seven hundred individuals is necessarily a mob, and quite unfit for discussion and deliberation in the true sense of the words. In the early period of the history of the House its inherent defect was not so manifest, from the circumstance of the great body of members being unused to speak, and serving merely as a sort of audience to witness the performance of the few actors on the scene. During the war of the revolution the engrossing business was war and taxes, n7:l all questions of change of our laws and institutions were post. poned to a period of peace. The habits of the war continued for a short period after the peace; but the latter opened up a new field in the numerous changes in our laws and institutions which the altered circumstances of the country imperiously called for. Numberless interests throughout the country were affected by the measures agi. tired from time to time, and hence petitions without number were poured in on the House. A member, who might shrink from par. ticipating in a general discussion, cannot refuse to enforce the peti ..ion of his constituents, and by degrees he becomes satisfied with himself, and a frequent speaker on all subjects. There is hardly row a member of the whole assembly who has not addressed it at times. Now nothing is such an impediment to dispatch as numerous speakers. Jefferson observes, that they got on very well with business in the Old Congress; but after the peace, when Congress became a nu. mcrous representative body (though still a small body compared to the House of Commons,) and chiefly composed of lawyers, the time was consumed in speaking. Sir R. Peel must make inability to .peechify a necessary qualification for Parliament, or things will proceed from bad to worse. When there were few speakers and many listeners in the House, the house had only patience fora mo. derate quantity of eloquence at a time; and hence the dislike of Burke, who was called the " Dinner Bell," on account of his long speeches sending the Members to dinner. But when Mem bers have themselves to thank, they must bear with the infirmi ties of others ; a man must, however reluctant, offer up a sacrifice to the self.love of others, that he may indulge his own self-love. No rational being who looks with any attention at such an Assem bly as the House of Commons--a mere overgrown Club—could cver expect any other result than that which Sir Robert now laments. Three or four well.informed and laborious individuals tray proceed with legal Reforms, without impeding each other too much by the discussion which their different modes of viewing points may render neceusary. But let us s u pp ose t h at the labour and research of an extensive Legal Reform has been !evolved on a Commission, and that a Bill embodying the fruit of the labours of the Commission is submitted to Parlia ment, besides the discussions on the principle, every clause ens up interminable discussions—The Bill undergoes a num. her of modifications in the Committee—Some of the changes are at variance with the parts of the bill retained, and with other cLanges ; and the bill has become an assemblage of incongruities. A re.cornmitment becomes necessary. If the bill ever become a law, no two men, perhaps, can agree as to the meaning of some of its :louses. No numerous assembly an ever legislate to any advantage. The questions of peace or war, and taxation—complaints of griev. snces may come with advantage before it. The nation would not be satisfied without an Assembly which should represent the general feeling on such matters. But at present Parliament is everything. It is a court of law—a legislative body—it decides on all questions eomestic or colonial. There is hardly a conceivable object which may not be brought under discussion in it. Hence the anarchy Thiel) prevails—hence the helplessness which have lowered it so rinich in the eyes of the nation, and made popular bodies generally ri•liculous. II E UAL 0.--We are glad to observe that the practice of compelling British soldiers on foreign stations to do homage to Pagan and idols. rims ceremonies has become a subject of Parliamentary animadver t:cu. Several petitions have recently been presented to the House of Commons, praying for an abolition of this unjustifiable practice, - . ..-il v..c. have not perceived that any member of Government has been !-olii enough to undertake its defence ; yet it is not many years since a British Officer was dismissed the service fur refusing to as !me an old idol at Malta, to which popular adoration is paid at attain seasons. In this the Officer certainly showed more trend for conscience than discipline ; lie was guilty of r. disobedience of orders, and liable to the penalties provided for an .-1.1 of insubordination by the articles of war. But what a cruel thing it is to reduce men who are able and willing to serve their :cuntry—who are ready to face every peril, to undergo any hard. ship, and to shed their blood at any moment in its defence ;.... ring a cruel thing it is, we say, to reduce such men to the alta rgive of violating their conscience or incurring the penalties of di:obedience ! Is a soldier to be, in his religious principles, as well as al Iris military conduct, a mere machine? Is it necessary for the inter ests of the service that he should be so? If that be the case,then the beet soldiers would be those who entertain no sense of religions' all ! Is this a lectrine for a moral and christian government tomaintain in the face (Idle civilised world —or, it the Government, notwithstanding their nrofessions of zealous devotion to the interests and principles of that * form of Christianity which constitutes the established religion of England, remain silent, will the bench of Bishops continue so, and allow a subserviency to idolatrous ceremonies to be enforced by the =lntences of the law-military, without raising up the voice of pious remonstrance against it ? Cannot the Bishop of London see some thin:, as reprehensible in this as the profanation of the Sabbath by the recitations of the poor? Will not the Bishop of Norwich, so Mir the uncompromising and consistent advocate of liberty of =- 4c:ince in the Roman Catholic people, think it his duty to be zioally earnest for the recognition of the same invaluable psi. viege in the Protestant soldier ? Even before what is called C. •S. tholic Emancipation was mated the 1.4,, •••••• l , " 41,1.01 "-sum""i' ` 9144 / •01—..1 ,„ —arra ineir own places of worship, out of a proper de& roue to the religious feelings of that class of men. Why, then, should Pr:ter:ant soldiers and officers be compelled to perform acts of wee. 'hip tP wooden images --the objects of the superstitious veneration of :he Roman Catholic populace—idols to which the better-educated itotuan Catholics themselves would, probably, be ashamed to olio '! : e external marks of adoration ? It is one thing to punish a and. lia for insulting the religious feelings or prejudices of a foreign pea 7:e, and it is another to punish him for refusing to degrade himself ''Y a hypocritical communion in rites and ceremonies for which' ! _.: viii entertain no respect. It does credit to Lord Killeen—him. 'ii: 3 Roman Catholic—that he supported the petition which Mr. Tram presented trout Dover on this subject the other night. It , hows that he is willing to obtain for others that religious freedom %licit lie was so anxious to procure for himself. But where were •Ie many great advocates for liberty orconscience on this occasion ? ` ll l , Porirrg a Roman Catholic O ffi cer was dismissed the service for %ft:sin,: to join in some rite of Protestant worship abroad, what an ..myry there would be immediately raised in the newspapers and ',‘,:ri houses of Parliament ! How the changes would be rung upon religious tiranny, in all the vocabulary of invective ! But few are 'he patriots who find a heart or a tongue to demand for the Preto / tart soldier emancipation from that thraldom which denies him the right of religious opinion, which even our Indian Go /eminent concedes to its eastern slaves--for it was stated in the !louse of Commons that, during the Marquis Wellesley' s govern ent in India, some Sepoys had been, on one occasion, cow pelle_d to att en d d i vine service —but, when it was made known to his Lord 'hili, he condemned, in the strongest terms, the conduct of the Anlimanding officer. One of the few Members of Parliament who reprobated the practice of ordering our soldiers to join in idolatrous _tremolos was Lord Milton, who observed that, if a soldier himself, "e could most assuredly object to being com p e ll e d to do honour to :chenille rites that were consideredidolatrous; but, if be were a 4oldier whose livelihood depended on his commission, how bitterly 'gild he feel the compulsion I Such a poetics is a cruelty to; the slender of his country, and a degradation to the British name. I, THE FRENCH JOURNALS ON THE XING'S PROCLAMATION. For the first time our ministers, when having to decide between two bad measures, have not chosen the wont. They have published a proclamation, but have added a countersign. We wish one thing to be remarked—namely, that the ministers have but the same uni. form system in the proclamation of to-day as in all they have written, or caused to be written. They declare th a t th e y a r e within the limits of the charter ; that it is not they who attack it, but those who refuse to form a majority in their favour; and that they will not yield. This amounts to saying , that by repelling the opposition, and believing themselves insulted by it, they are within the carter • that by refusing to yield to the majority, they are within ;he charter; that by threatening to resist the majority with an unchangeable resolution, they are within the charter. The electors, satisfied as much as the Prince de Po. lignac can be that France owes every thing to the government of the charter, will judge who are the parties that really deviate from it, and do justice accordingly. We are too well acquainted with the rights of the Government to complain of the list of presidents. The formation of this list belongs to them, and it is perfectly natural that they should nominate their own creatures. The great number of peers, lieutenant-generals, sad members of the general councils j of the departments, is an important feature. Many deputies attached to the Government have declined accepting the Presidency, because they apprehended the loss of the favour of the electors by appearing to enjoy that of the Government.—National. What is the King's proclamation, issued in a form seldom em. ployed, with a signature which merits our respect ? It is nothing but a ministerial act, countersigned by the Prince de Polignac ; it is a statement of the grounds of' the ordinance, appointing the Pre sidents of the Colleges, countersigned by the Count de Peyronnet. What do Messrs. de Polignac and de Peyronnet say more than what they have repeated a hundred times ? Instead of a newspaper article it is an harangue • this is the only difference. In reality, it is a new censure pronounced by Ministers against the address which refused to them the concurrence of the Chamber of Deputies. We remark that out of the 181 members who voted against the address, only 91 are appointed to preside either at the colleges of depart. ments or those of arrondissements. The other Presidents, styled Ancien Deputes, belong to former assemblies, especially to that in which the 300 friends of M. de Villele fought so valiantly. Thus 90 of those who voted against the address, besides the three minis. ten, have not been appointed Presidents.—ConsiilutionneL The Proclamation is founded wholly upon an idea which Minis ters have been endeavouring to inculcate these three months, but which is founded, on a slight examination, to rest on a very slender basis : the Chamber have misconstrued the King's intentions ; they have refused their concurrence; they have insulted the King.— Although we may regret that the Proclamation to the Electors brings the Crown too directly into the debate, by speaking of insult, and passes rather too severe a censure upon the last Chamber, which may be again returned, yet we may congratulate Ministers upon having abstained from that menacing tone which they adopted on other occasions. Upon the whole, the question comes to this.— Does France place confidence in the Ministry, and is she desirous of being governed by that Ministry ? Does she disown the mistrust and disquietude which the last Chamber expressed in her name and does she wish for a Chamber re a dy t o vote as M. de Polignac would have it ? This is the question to be decided by the electors ....the proclamation has not changed it.—Courrier Francais. The Proclamation, announced with so much pomp. has appeared at last. It has the countersign of a responsible Minister, as it could not appear without it. Ministers were aware of this, and M. de Po. lignac decided upon signing the Proclamation. It cannot be said that the heart of the King, his love for his people, and his high wisdom, are evident in these repeated assurances of maintaining the Charter, and the institutions founded by it. We derive no in. formation from the proclamation on this subject. Mistrust al. ways stops at the foot of the throne. There, only love and con fidence in the magnanimity of a great Prince can prevail.— ' To suppose that France stood in need of hearing, as it were, a repe. tition of the coronation oaths, would be offering an insult both Ito France and to the King 1 Let M. de Polignac consider him. self the object of public mistrust—let him not criminally endeavour to ascribe part of it to Royalty—it falls entirely to his lot! The confidence and love of the people are the King's. We cannot, how ever, refrain from saying a few words on the u n c h anga bl e reso l ut i on on the part of the king, who is supposed, by the proclamation, to have resolved never to change his Ministry. With deep sorrow and respect, we beg to declare that even Kings are fallible. However pure their intentions may be, they may be mistaken and deceived. If the welfare of the nation, if the public tranquillity, should re quire that the King should keep his Ministers, he will keep them; if they should require their removal, he wiledismin them. This pious and wise King will not hesitate to admit that he may have been mistaken. To err, is the lot of all men ; to acknowledge error, and rectify it, is the part of treat Kings. —Journal des Debuts. —se ARMY INTELLIGENCE. LORD HILL'S u General Comniandiag in Chief, hell a Levee at the Hone Guards yesterday, which was attended by—Lieutenant-Oeneral Sir Robert 31 4 Farlane, Mr. Ashunt, M.P. Second Lieutenant George Cavendish, the Hon. F. A. Prittie, Dr. Pitcairne, Lieut. Colonel Clarke, Major General Freath, the Marquis of Tweedale, Capt. Floyer, Capt. Penefather, Captain Andrews, Lieutenant Colonel D'Este, Lieut. General Sir Thomas Dyer, the Hon. James Petre, the Hon. E. Petre, Major. Oen. Wood, Col. Grenvi ll e, Major• Gen. Dewberry, Major-Gen. Balfour, Major-Gen. King, Col. Rolt, Lice t..C01. Ferguson. Lieut.. Col. King, Major Gowdie, Lieut.-Gen. Durham , Lieut..CoL Shaw, Lieut.-Gen. Horseford, Major Croker, Col. James Lomas, Com. missary-General (ironies, Major M'Mahon, Lieut.. Colonel Fan. shawe, &c. &c. NAVAL INTELLIGENCE. The following arrivals are posted at Lloyd's :—The John Mach, Ekin, from Berbice, off Margate ; Nimrod, from Sierra Leone, off Harting.; Sibelia, Harpur, from Miramichi, at Cower; Ocean, Bartell, from Dantsic, at Weymouth; Susannah, Proctor, from Miramichi. at Topsham; Rivira i Grace, from New Orleans, at Liverpool; Meridian, Hatch, from Leghorn, and Preceptor, Cargill, from Riga, at Dublin ; Cyrus, Forbes, from Charent e , at Sunderland ; and the Sylvan, Gilliam, from Memel, in Yarmouth I Roads. The %VIM= Wilberfurce, —, from Liverpool, has been aban doned at sea. The crew have arrived at Miramichi. - . -..........-.. Mat., Jinor 17.—Wind N. N.E.—Arrived the Wellesley, Ferrintan,from Jamaica ; and Hortensia, —, from Copenhagen. Arrived from London, the Orisembo, Burton, for Virginia. Possestouni, Joss 17.—Wind N. E.—Arrived the Hope, Froth, from Memel; and Royal George, Embleton, from London for New South Wales. Sailed his Majesty's ship Forte, for Ply mouth. FAL3IOIITN. Joss 16...-Wind N. Pnystoutn, Justz 17.—The Briton .16, Capt. Markland, C.B. is fitting for Channel Service ; the Talbot, 23, Capt. Dickinson, C.B. 'for the Cape of Good Rope ; the Wolf, 18, Commander Hamley, for the East Indies ; Columbine, 18, Commander Ga. Wel, for the West Indies and Halifax ; and 'Etna, surveying ship, Commander Belcher, for the West Coast of Africa ; all at Portsmouth. The Pelican ' 18, Commando. J. Gape, is fitting at Chatham, for the Mediterranean ; and the Clio, 18, Commander endow, at this port, for South America. Major General Campbell, the Deputy Adjutant-General, accom panied by his assistant Major Wright, and Major Parke, of the Royal Marine Artillery, arrived here last week for the purpose of inspecting this division of Royal Marines. On Thursday and Fri. day the General inspected the men at the gar, practice, at the Devil's Point, and examined the different departments in the bar. racks, and on Saturday a tine battalion of upwards of MO men were ECVICIVW •••• uw.“ a urn went through a number of evolutions with the greatest precision, and their general appearance denoted that of a well disciplined corps. In the evening the Major-Gene ral dined at the Mess, there being also present Admiral Sir Manley Dixon, R.C.B. and his suite, a large party of Naval and Military Officers, the Mayor of Plymouth, &c. Aorozsuratzwrs.--Commander Woolcoinbe, of the Curlew, to the St. Vincent, flag-ship at this port, v. Co mma nder F o l e y, to t h e Curlew • Commander Wm. Haniley, and Lieut. J. Price, to the Wolfe :Commanders Wm. Morgan, P. Maingy, W. Kitchen, S Meredith, E. Weale, T. Wills, C. Pearson, T. Ferris. and 1. C. Rooke to the Coast Guard Service, v. Y eoman Wild, Manstil Main:whip Jackson, Morgan, Annesley, Beteler, and Cairnes whose penod of service (three years) expires in July t Henry Williams to be Assistant Surgeon of the 'Winchester Lieut. H. P. Steele (1815) is appointed to the colonial service at Newfoundland. Edward Caldwell, Esq. is appointed Surgeon and. Agent for sick and wounded seamen, at Southampton, v. F. Ste. wart, Esq. resigned. Mr. James Tindall, Purser 011294 is ap pointed to the Columbine, 18, v. Mr. James 13einfold. Mr. R. G. Lean, Purser, late of the Philomel, is appointed to the Wolf, ordered to be commissioned at Portsmouth. Pstossonows.—lAeut. Wm. Barwell, Flag-Lieut. to Sir Charles Ogle, the Commander-in-Chief at Halifax, to the rank of Com mander; Mr. B. Mc. Avoy, Assistant-Surgeon of the Winchester, to be Surgeon of the Slaney ; Mr. Clement Paulson, to the rank of Surgeon. The following Midshipmen passed their examination for Lieu tenants at the Royal Naval College, last week :—Mr. Arthur Jeffreys, his Majesty's ship Bleach.; the Hon. G. B. St. Vincent De Ross. Kinnaird, Britannia; Mr. James Samuel Akid Dennis, Columbine; Messrs. John W. Tarieton and Clayton Bayly, gazer; Mr. Henry John Windham Bherbrook Payne ()air= bet ; Mesers.Wm. Russell Drummond and Win. Vaughan Pelican; Mr. Michael De Canny, Undaunted t the Hon- Walter Bourchier Devereux and Mr. Owen Phibbe Knott, Tyne; Mr. George Pyne, Tweed; Mr. Wm. Crawford, Aids; lir. Robert John Le Mender M'Clurs, St. Vincent. IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. HOUSE OF LORDS, TnuitsDaY, JUNE 17. ROYAL ASSENT. At four o'clock the Lord Chancellor, the Earl of Shaftesbury, and Viscount Melville, took their seats as Commissioners appointed to declare the Royal assent to several bills. The Commons having attended at the Bar, The LORD CHANCELLOR informed them that his Majesty had caused a Commission to issue, under the Great Seal, to declare the Royal assent to several Bills. The Commission was read as usual. It only differed from for. mer Commissions by containing the following word% :—'• We have caused out Royal signature to be affixed hereto, according to the statute." The Royal assent was declared in the usual forms to the Four per Cent. Annuities Reduction Bill, a Bill to alter the Law relating to certain Criminal Offences, the Dover Improvement Bill ; the Dun. dee Harbour. the Perth Harbour, the Galway Harbour, and the Port Glasgow Improvement Bills ; the Shannon Navigation Bill, the Dublin Improvement Bill, and several other private Bills, the whole making thirty-four. A number of petitions were presented by Lord HOLLAND and other Peers, from various parts of the country, against capital pu nishment in CAWS of forgery. GALWAY FRANCHISE SILL. The Archbishop of CANTERBURY presented a petition from the Alembers of the Koyal College at Galway, against the Bill be fore the Honse for admitting Roman Catholics to the rights of Cor povators in Galway. The Earl of lIIALMESBURY presented a petition from the mayor and members of the corporation of Galway, praying their to dships not to pass the bill into a law. Also a petition, praying to be heard by counsel against the bill, on the ground that it was injurious to their vested rights. The noble earl, in support of the petitions, moved that counsel be heard against the bill, so far as the interest of the petitioners is concerned, on Thursday next. Earl GREY did not rise to object to the motion for hearing COUII. sel, but expressed a hop e t h a t th e h ouse wou ld a ll ow t h e bill to be read a second time this day. The LORD CHANCELLOR said, it had been always usual to hear witnesses on the second reading of a bill. The Duke of RICHMOND said, he did not thick counsel ought to be heard against the principle of the bill for relief of tho Cabo. lies, which passed last year. He certainly opposed that bill in all its stages, but could not admit that it ought to discuss.d again at the ba r of that house. The Earl of DIALIIIESBURY said, the petitioners were desirous of being heard on their own vested interest. He disliked blowing hot and cold upon any question. Last year, a sort of side wind, or cold blast, destroyed the rights of 40,000 forty shil ling freeholders. The Duke of NEWCASTLE said, the bill before the house appeared to be one of pains and penalties. It was a bill to take away the rights of Protestants. The passing of the bill of last year could not justify the taking away vested rights. Lord GREY-.-The bill takes away no rights, but admits others to participate in the rights enjoyed by the petitioners. Lord WHARNCLIFFE expressed an opinion that the peti. tioners ought to be heard upon the second reading of the bill, because they opposed the principle of the bill. After a few words from Lord Rot.i.r and Lord ELLExisci locrou, Earl GREY fixed the second reading of the bill for Thurs. day, and the motion for hearing Counsel was agreed to. The Marquis of WELLESLEY and the Marquis of LANS DOWNE presented petitions from Galway in favour of the bill. TAXATION IN IRELAND. Earl GREY presented a petition from Kilkenny, against the in. crease of taxation in Ireland. Earl DARNLEY presented a similar petition from Waterford. The Marquis LANSDOWNE said he had several petitions to present on the subject of taxation in Ireland. The noble marquis considered the proposed duty on stamps and spirits the first attempt ever made to equalize duties, for the purpose of making good a decrease in the revenue. He thought it would have a pernicious effect on the press of Ireland. The noble Marquis presented pet!. Lions against taxation from Clonikilty, in the County of Cork, and other parts, against the proposed increase of stamp duties. Also a petition from the debtors in the four Courts of Dublin, for revision of the insolvent debtors bill. FEES ON DEMISE OF THE CROWN ABOLITION HILL. The house went limo Committee on the Fees Abolition Bill, and several amendments made by the LOAD CHANCELLOR and Lord TENTERDEN were peed to. Report to be received to. morrow. Lord WHARNCLIFFE rose in a committee upon the Ceti.' sus Bill, and expressed his intention to propose an amend. ment for the purpose of bringing under the consideration of the House of Commons a very important question. He al. bided to the mode in which the Houle of Commons supported their exclusive right to originate money-bLUs. The House of Com mons claimed the right of having the command of the purse of the country, and that no demand be made on the people without their consent. They did not allow the House of Lords to interfere at all. To the full extent of that privilege, which controuled the expendi. tune of public money, he was ready to go, but the Commons had carried their privilege to an extent which appeared to the noble lord quite absurd. if they originated a bill in that house with a penal clause, the Commons would not proceed upon it, and if their lord. ships altered a penalty in a bill from the Commons, the latter would not assent to such alteration. Since he had been a member of that house, he had experienced the inconvenience arising from the present practice of the House of Commons. Three years ago he introduced a bill for re plating qualifications, and preserving game. On that occasion he took especial care not to insert any penalty, but the principle of the bill was, that certain persons should be qualified who were at that time unqualified. The bill passed to the House of Commons, and would have been a law of the land; but it was said that, although there was no penalty in the bill, certain persons were exempted from penalties, and on that account it interfered with the privilege claimed by the Commons, and could not pass. This was the absurdity of which be complained. The noble lord had consulted several members of the House of Commons, who had recommended him to raise the question by making an amendment in a penal clause. The subject would then be brought under con. l alderation, and the commons might place their privilege upon a more rational foundation. The noble lord, acting upon that view of the question, moved to amend the bill by raising a penalty of forty shillings or not returning certain accounts relating to the popu lation, to fifty shillings. The Earl of CARNARVON expressed an opinion that the pre*. sure of business and the advanced state of the session, would not allow the discussion of the question. F.arl DARNLEY thought the subject might be brought before the Commons in a specific form. The Duke of WELLINGTON said he was not aware that the Commons would be so ready as the noble lord supposed to give up the point, and he begged his noble friend not to press his motion. Lord ‘VHARNCLIFFE said, the course he had taken was the suggestion of important authority in the House of Commons. The Marquis of LONDONDERRY said a measure on the sub ject might originate in the Commons. Lord ELLENBORI )UGH said. if the noble lord's amendment met with the consent of their lordships, that consert should be im. plied sub silentio. He could not help thinking the discussion pro posed by the noble lord would disappoint him. The fact was that the house had the right to alter any bill, and it was impossible to call their right in question. After a converoution, in which Earl BsTimusr, the Duke of Itscastoitn, and Viscount blzi.vst.xe took part, cf LANSI)OIVNE approved of conveying the suggestions of the noble lord (WhirrclitTe) to the members of the nth*, Hnoite. of rftrlinn.ent, without entering then: un the journals of the House of Peers. Lord SKEL3IEHSDALE took the same view of the subject. On the queloier. that instead of 4;ls. NI:LA part of the bill being put, the house divided, when there appeateti For the ori i -,inal clause 'l7 For the anivr.dnant Majority Mr. Tomlin, from the Treasury, presented an account of the beer dunes for the past year. Several bilk were forwarded a stage, and at Seven o'Clock their Lordships atlji,orii,.d. HOUSE OF COMMONS, Jvwt 17. The Deputy Usher of the Black Roil summoned the house to attend in the House of Peels, to hear the royal assent given to sundry bills. [See Lords.] Sir R. INGLIS presented a petition, complaining that Pro testants were compelled to do violence to their consciences by attending the supersti t i ous c eremon i es of the Cathtilic religion at Malta. Sir G. MURRAY observed, that considering the differences in the religions of the British army, it could not be wondered at that they were occasionally obliged to assist at the ceremonies of each other. __ Mr. TRANT said, he knew that many officers in the British army loudly complained of being compelled to assist at the ceremo nies of the Roman Catholic religion. Sir R. WILSON observed, that persons with such very tender otitedama ought not to enter the army ; that negligent compliance with what was complimentary to others, was no violation to the conscience; and that such ellaussicas were very injurious. Sir B. VYVYAN was of the like o pi n ion, and observed that there was nothipg compulsory about the Sir G. M URRAY said, that th e re nothing compulsory about the observances adduced by Protestants on such owasicem Mr. TRANT eadate4 to show that they wee compulsory, sad I asked whether the right boa. gat. had sot swore at the table that the Roman Catholic religion was " idolatrous?" How would the, like to be compelled to honour Roman Catholic rites ?—(IiL .z.) Mr. HUM E wished for freedom of religious worship—hut t'ic,r officers who did not like the practice could quit the scretce. 'I bete was the remedy for the wrong. Sir GEORdE ROSE said, that there were many inatanc.2 , compulsion. Petition ordered to be printed. LOCAL JURISDICTION. Mr. BROUGHAM brought in a Bill for the establishment of local jurisdiction. He observed that, by way of experimeto, would be limited to three counties--Kent, Durham, and Cumbet land ' • but it was so framed, that an additional clause would emend it to all the counties of England and Wales. Its object sr:oc to bring home justice to the doors of all suitors. There would be branches of jurisdiction—three compulsory, and three volur.tary the (comer could take cognizance of debt to the amount of 1001. and of actions of "tort" to the extent of 501. The bill also nu.de a proviso on the subject of pleading. It also n ' a.!c provision tha, with the consent of both parties, a jury might be disp:nscd ;tb, but reserving the right of the judge to refer such Case to a y it' he thought that tours: were useful. The power cf appeal to the assize judge was also reserved. That was the character a the 1;141 compulsory branch of local jurisdiction ; the second regarded th e recovery of small debts under 51. improving, he considered, the present system of Courts of Request. The third regarded questions connected with legacies. As to the voluntary jurisdiction propo . e to be given to the local judge, it regarded arbitration and " co•net • liation." The last provided that a party conceiving that lie Lad .1 claim against another party, might cite such party before the local judge, and there show whether there were any ground for chotge, and if so conciliate the claim, without resorting to further legal pro. czedings. He wished to have it read a second time, and commit teJ as soon as possible, that the blanks might be filled up, and the bill fully understood. Sir E. KNATCHBULL would not opposie the bill, but begccd that it might not home he inferred that he pledged himself to sup. pot ttlic bill. 3lr. BMA:11131 said, he desired no one to pledge himself LJ support the bill. He only whiled to present the bill in a cottiple• share, and to have it fully understood. lite SOLICITOR GENERAL trusted that it was not intem!..l to tiurry forward this bill. Mr. BROUGHAM replied, certainly not. He only wished Si, bill to be in a complete shape. He was not quite sure that i • could hope to pass it before the vacation, if ever they sac • long vacation—(Hear, a nd a l aug h. Bill read a first time and crier to b e rea d a secon d t i me to . loni morrow, and to be printed. Lord TULLA MORE moved for various accounts respecting ti, coal and other merchandise, &c. on the Royal and River liarrox f' a ••• I i1..1.........,1 PVIILIC Sir R. PEEL remind:d the house that half.past five o'clock halt arrived, and he could not but notice that there were still petitions to present and motions to make : he therefore proposed that to.day pub lie business be commenced at six o'clock. filr. BRIGHT protested against this arrangement—it ought t , ) be extended to half.past six —(Hear, hear and Oh ! oh !)—and even dun, if he were entrusted with petitions affecting the West India or other interests, he should claim his right to present thesis when the Ministers were in attendance, and when they were likely to hare that attention which might be useful. (Hear.) Sir H. PEEL said. no resolution had been moved on the sub. jest; it was only an understanding. The conversation here dropped. Mr. H1.131E presented a petition from Manchester regarding the truck system. Mr. LYTTLETON lamented that he had not been able to urge forward his bilL Rir R. PEEL said the fault was not with the Government. they had but two order days in the week.' and those had been considerably encroached upon; there never was a session when the estimates were so much in arrest. Unless gentlemen who had :maces gave wcy he did not see how many bills could be brought forward. Mr. BARING said the question was most important that was involved in this bill. Petitions fro n spinneys of Manchester in favour of the Truck Bill, ordered to be printed. ST. LUNI . II LIVIA CUUICH. Mr. HUME presented a petition from St. Luke's, signed by 3.200 householders, in 48 hours, against the additional church pro jected for them. This was a secon•l' petition on the subject. He hoped that the petitions might be referred to a committee above stairs, as all in the parish were against the second church project, and as it proved that some interested individual must have imposed on the church commissioners. Petition ordered to lie on the table. Lord IVI ILTON presented a petition from Doncaster, against the Northern Roads Bill. Sir M. W. RIDLEY presented a petition from Newcastle. upon-Tyne, resp e cting the stamps on patent medicines. The pe titioners were against any alteration. The Marquis of BLANDFORD presented petitions from Mr. Williams for a revision of the laws ; from Sir H. Lees against the assimilation of taxes, &c. lie nieved that they be printed. Mr. C. WYNN thought that petitions from individuals were not to be printed. The Marquis of BLANDFORD said, if they were not printed, he must have them read at length.—(hear, hear.) Petitions ordered to be printcd.—llis lordship then presented a petition from Willing. hall, Norfolk, for a reform In Parliament—Petition ordered to be printed. lASSESSZD TAXES. Mr. BRIGHT asked when the Chancellor of the Exchequer intended to bring forward the subject of the asserted taxe% The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER replied, to. morrow evening, if possible. BUY DUTIES. Mr. BRIGHT then presented a petition from the West India merchants of Bristol, on the subject of the torn duties. They com. plained of the change of the government on the subject, and said it would be satisfactory to know w h a t h a d produce d the change.— Why had the ministers withdrawn the promised relief? Why was not rum to be allowed to enter into something like a fair competition? There were now only used two parts of rum to 197 parts of British spirits. Was that fair ? And why had the ministers withdrawn the protection, the hope of which had been hi out at the commencement of the session Such changes were meet injurious to trade; they were playing with the best ibierests of the country, and such conduct ought not to characterize any go. vemment.—(llear.) Petition ordered to be printed. Lard JOHN RUSSELL postponed the motion regarding the fees and costs of a suit in Chancery, to make way fur the adjourned debate on the Court of Chancery. He trusted that others would also postpone their notices. THE JEWS. Mr. WILSON said he would also postpone his motion, or goon ; If allowed to go on, he would occupy only ten mi nutes —h e p l e d ge d himself to that. e then moved for leave to bring in a Bill to re lieve the Jews • he would restrict them from being judgcs—mem. bens— but in don's name let them inherit lend. An hon. member laughed; why did he laugh—his heart could not be in the ti g ht plate. He brought in the bill at the request of Protestant Clergy men. It Malt said that Jews might hold /ended property, because the great 1 1r. Goldsmidt had it ; but that was held by trustees, he knew the fact, for he had been in treaty for the property. (A laugh.) He asked ter uhat was their birthright; the Jews were not to be kept in a corner like the brute creation. But his time was come ; he moved for leave to bring in a Bill to admit the Jews to the cur. rotate and elective franchise. Mr. It GRANT trusted, after what had passed on the subject this session, and hoped, from the state of the public business, that it would not be pressed during the session. If it were pressed—the re-agitation of the question being against the wish of those most in. terz•sted in the result— he must divide the house against the motion. As ten the rights, the full rights of the Jews, he could not accept the compromise proffered by the hon. nteinher. Mr. WILSON said, he must do his duct'; he must divide 0.. house. The gallery was cleartd for a 4ivision, but we umltrstood tliAt none took place, and that the motion was withdrawn. sr. LUKE'S SECOND etiuseu. Mr. liUhlE moved. that the petitions from St. Luke, a.,....iii,5i il.t. erection of a second church in the parish of Saint Luke, be rektreel to a select committee. The whole parish was against it, and It was surprised thrt it was allowed to proceed. lie was quite sure that Parliament would never have granted money for aidiog in the building of new churches where the parishes should be wholly against the new churches proposed Here there was atr.ple room for more than attended the church already provided. In the corn. mince he understood evidence enough could be produced in one day to the house that a second church was not wanted in St. Luke's, and that the Commissioners were not justified in the course they had pursued. Mr. ESTCOURT said another church was requisite, because there were 20,000 inhabitants, and accoramodadon in the existing church l athe for only 1,200. He trusted the House wie ld the modes. Mr. BYNG said, that he could not Ind s am in the perish 1 who was desiro us o f having a third church time' he mode very extensive Inquiries. 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