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Right Reverend Prelate. I can assure that Right Re., mend Prelate that I have paid as mush attention to the solemn oath which I have taken at the table of your Lordships House as that Right Reverend Preis* has himself, and I can likewise assure the Right Rev. Prelate that the Bill which is haulier to be introduced into the other House of Parliament, and solsopcomitly into this, will be free from any thing that could involve - an ' of that oath. Ido not think it neces sary— • for me now to state what the exact nature of that Bill will be ; but this I can assure the Right Reverend Prelate, that it will not touch that oath io any way whatever. In the course of the observations that have fallen from the Right Reverend Prelate, which yeer Lordships have also beard , he said , that , under certain ciicomstances, he would be ready to grant the Roman . Catholics emancipation. The Right Reverend Prelate says, first instruct their minds, and then, after they be come enlightened, emancipate them. Now, lam de sirous of asking the Right Reverend Prelate under what . circumstances he would grant emancipation to the people of Ireland? lam likewise desirous to know of the Right Rev. Prelate how it was that emancipation at the present time would establish Popery in this king. -dom? I contend for it that when the proposed mea sure shall be introduced into the other House of Par- liament, and in due course shall be brought up to this House, it will be found that, instead of injuring the Protestant establishment of this country, it will tend : to put down Popery, and prevent its growth in this country and in Ireland—(Cries of Hear, bear). This I engage to prove to the satisfaction of your Lord ships' House, it not to the satisfaction of the Right Rev. Prelate. I entirely agree with the Right Rev. Prelate. in what he has stated respecting the loyalty of the . people of England. I rejoice to see the number of Pe titions that have been presented to the House under the apprehension-1 am sorry to say under the apprehension —that it is the intention of his Majesty's Ministers to introduce Popery into the country; but I hope "me Right Rev. Friend will see that there is no such listen . tics, but that, on the contrary, the object of the pro posed Bill is to relieve the Protestants of Ireland, and to prevent the growth of Popery in the country; and, in the meantime, I hope the people will continue to con duct themselves with loyalty and obedience to the Par liament. I say, as long as the people of England con tinue as they are, so long there can be no such danger of the growth of Popery, and so long it will not be in the power of his Majesty's Parliament, much less of his Majesty's Ministers, to establish Popery in this country, if such should ever be their intention; but I trust the ttleasUre, when it is brooght forward, will prove that they could have no such intention. The - Ili,hop of BATH and WELLS assured the 'Noble Duke that no intention was further float his mind than that of accusing his Majesty's Ministers Of wishing • to introduce Popery into the kingdom. He was glad to hear the N , ble Duke say, that the proposed measure would be consistent with the oath they had all taken, and, if so, lie would hail it as conducive to the happi ness of the country. He had heard too much about the doctrine of expediency; and this he felt confident in as serting, that whatever additional poser had been at any time granted to the Roman Catholics, they had used towards the oibverston of the Consiitution of the country. Lord KING said, the Right Rev. Prelate forgot, when he talked t f Jesuits, that there had been more arts and more at like used by those she opposed the eneasute than bad ever been employed by the Jesuits in acc.onplishing ti ito ends. Laid MELBOURNE protested against the discus. sion of the geueral subject upon the presentation of a petition. He would call upon the Right Rev. Prelate to prove how the Roman Catholics had turned the ' power that was given to them in 1793 towards the sub version of the Constitution if the country. He thought their conduct evinced attachment to the Constitution, • and• fin wish to overthrow it. He wanted to have a Itts niau Catholic placed upon the same tooting as they 'teem iii the time of Elizabeth; he wanted them to be permitted to sit in both Houses of Parliament, from which they were riot excluded until the 306 of Charles the Second. The people of England looked withyene• rttion upon the principles of the Revolution of 1688, and so did he; it was the completion of those principles which were begun in 1688 which he desired. The Right Rev. Pr elate talked of the religion of the country, and he could assure him that the proposed measure was calculated to diffuse religion more than ever ; it was calculated to put an end to that system of exclusion which had too long existed in the country, under the character of persecution, and than which he thought • nothing was more hostile to the advancement of true • The Marquis of ANGLESEY begged to state to the Right Rev. Prelate, that he (the Noble Marquis) said. on a late occasion, that the Government of Ireland was eficient, and that there would be no difficulty what ever to the Government of Ireland in bringing any measure to a completion that they might deem ewe • diem ; and that %%hen the Roman Catholic Association became an illegal one, the Government might have put it down by lore-. • The Di.hop of BATH and WELLS then presented a Bethke from Glastonbury, and 21 ether parishes, avian the Roman thelic Claints.—Ordered to lie on the table. The Duke of RICHMOND presented a Petition from the Pro. tenant Dimmers and other inhabitants of Brighton against grant. leg lumbar Coneeuions to the Roman C,atholica. • 0 The Duke of SUSSEX rose to present a counter pc. eitioa from the Dissenters of Brighton, not indeed so numerously, but very reopectably signed. He had been informed that a number Of persons hatkpat their names to the petition presented by the Noble Duke, by nista' of a mots, who could neither read nor write; be was also told that whole schools had signed the petition, and that several had affixed their signatures more than once to it: Tne petition which he should have the honour to present to the House, had been signed by no person more than once, and no one was allowed to sign it under the age of 16. The Duke of RICHMOND said, he could only say, In reply to the Royal Duke,that the petition was signed by 3.875 individuals, among whom was the name of the Vicar of the place, and all were most respectable. Ile knew of no be ter way of getting. rid of petitions titan that of turning them into ridicule, and endeavour ing to prove that they had been got up in an unconsti tutional manner. He certainly thought it wruld have. been a more parliamentary mode had the Noble Duke given the .name of the informer, than to make stare merits without doing so. If the petition had been got up irregularly he should be the first to represent that irregularity; but he did not bel.eve it had. It was 'Oohed by 8,875 of hi% Majesty's loyal subjects; and he kne* of kO fact that would warrant the Royal Duke in making the observations he had done. After a tes; words in explanation from the Duke of Sonar, the petition was lain on the table. The Doke of SUSSEX then presented s Petition from the Dis senters of Brighton, praying fur Catholic Emancipation. The Duke et RICHMOND presented Petitions trans two abet. Alk Seem against greeting (au titer Cascading/ to the giralrn Cethalca:rOrdensi to Me on this table. Lord PLUNKETT presented' Pedd howeruilsmikd ems in Ireland, praying for. C•tbolic limaandpetkis. .. . . • . , The Martinis ef ANGLESEY pretested a Petition frets Anglesey, and frost several parishes in the counties of Loott,l Westmeath, and Tipperary; Iran the united parishes of Muy,j 81 - Thosug. end St. Georgette Debits ; from Rardscarthy ; and from Castle Town Roelsopin the comity of Cork, to the nee asst Ind swat Petitions, praying fee a repeal of the Sub.letdm; Atm—The Hems thed adjourned. • HOUSE OF COMMONS. sir A. INGLIS to* the Oaths and his seat for the University of Oxford. Lord MANDRVILLE presented several Petitions from the county of Armagh, At. against further concession to the Roman Catholics. The Marquis of CH ANDOS presented a Petition signed by MO Bachelors of Arts and Under Graduates of the University of Oxford, praylig that so farther concession might be granted to , the Roman Catholics. The Noble Lori expressed the high grati fication which he felt at having been entrusted with a petition which conveyed opinions so consonant to his own. He deeply deplored the recent steps which had been taken by kis Majesty'. Ministers, and which exposed to the most imminent danger the Constitution of the country as settled at the Revolution in 1688. and were In direct hostility to the principles that had placed the House of Brunswick on the Throne. On the Motion for printing the redeem Mr. BROUGHAM, after disclaiming the slightest intention of saying any thing disrespectful either to the Noble Lord or to the Petitioners. wished to know what was the actual number of that body of junior members of the University of Oxford of which 500 1 bad signed the Petition presented by the Noble Lord ? Lord CHANDOS expressed his inability to answer the Hon. and Lensed Gentleman's question. Dr. PH ILLIMORE observed, that he believed there was no body of individuals in the country more generally favourable to the Catholic Claims than the junior members of the University of Oxford, the number of whom exceeded 3000. Mr. ESTCOURT must beg /cave to doubt if the body of indi viduals in question were so friendly to Catholic Emancipation as the Hon. and Lerned Gentleman supposed. Where was the proof of it ? Os the contrary, ben was a Petition expressing an opinion in decided terms spinet any further concession. Dr. PHILLI MORE said he had been consulted en the expe diency of a Petition from the Coder-Graduates, in favour of Con., cession; and he had dissuaded them from the measure. Mr. ESTCOURT was decidedly of opinion that the sentiments of the greet majority were unfavourable to Conciliates. , Mr. V. STUART, as a proof of the contrary, adverted to a die comicial on the subject in a debating gaiety in Orford, the result of which was a decision in favour of the Catholics—(A laugh). The Petition was then ordered to be printed. The Marquis of CHANDOS then presented several other Pe titions to the same effect from Daventry ; from St. Dock's, in Pear brokeiaire ; from the village of' Guilford, In the county of Down. —Ordered to be printed. • Admiral SOTHERON, in presenting several Petitions against Catholic Emancipation, observed that they were all numerously signed, and that no person under eighteen years of age had been allowed to affix his signature to any of them. They all prayed that no further concessions shtiuld be made to the Roman Catho lics. They were about twelve in number, frost Durham, Fient ham, Donaldson, Mansfield, Riby, Eddinjton, ate. is Derbyshire. General KING presented a Petition from the Clergy, Ger::i y, and Freeholders of the county of Leitrim against further concessions to the Roman Catholics. _ _ _ _ Mr. DUNCOMBE said be held in his hand a Petition from the town and neighbourhood of Sheffield, signed by 7.0,000 persona, :Ind fourteen other Petitions from various parishes la the county of York, against Emancipation. They were most respectably signed, and well entitled to the attention of the Howe. _ . M A RSHA L ;aid, that, accordins to the law census, the hs. habitants of Sheflield amounted only to 50,000 men, women, and ddldren. He could not well conceive bow, out of this number. there could be a proportion of 30,000 competent to sign a Petition. Mr. DUNCOM BE said be bad before stated that the Peddon was not confined to Sitellield, but embraced the surrounding asth. begrimed. ILS. HAL said that the Petition had been got up at a private meeting. There was a public meeting held in the same town at which a Petition in 'favour of Emancipation was agreed to and signed by 1.000 rrsona. That sow presented b 7 his Hon. Colleague was signed by many chUdren, and even by prisoners in tie jail. Mr. DUNCOMBE said the Petition was from the inhabitants of Sheffield and the neighbourhood, within a circumference of four or five miles. The meeting at which it was agreed to was held in the Town Hall, and cools' not therefore be called a private meeting. It ' was true that the persons confined for debt did espress a desire to have an opportunity of signing this Petition, and it was sent to them for the purpose. Oa further consideration, however, their names were withdrawn, And not one of them now appeared to the retitle's:, There appeared to prevail at present a most extraordi. nary and zealous disposition to cry down Petitions, and to underrate the importance of public opiniod on this question. For his part, he should never consent to allow any Petitions which he ebouli present to be treated with disrespect, or sic by quietly and hear the opinions fait ly expressed by the people of rsaglaiid cried down. -- --- Lord MILTON said he was as little disposed as any man to cry down Petitions. He did not mean to deny the respectability of the Petitioners. The meeting at which this Petition had been got op was not a public one, because he knew a Gentleman who went for toe purpose of opposing it, and was refusal, admittance, being informed that it was to be a meeting only of those who were favourable to the Petition. The other meeting at Sheffield, from which he presented a Nil , don some time back, was, strictly speaking, a publiel meeting. convened by the Master•Catler, the ac'anow !edged head person of the town. Mr. DUNCOM BE said the only motive for confining the meeting to those who were friendly to the Petition was to prevent ccofusion. If all were admitted indis criminaiely, no satisfactory result could have been come to.—The Petition was read, and ordered to be printed. Mr. DUNCOM BR then pteaented similar Petitions from the inhabitants of Scarborough, Grimthortse, and ten other parishes in the county of York, all of which were ordered to be printed. Mr. lIEEKSW ICH presented a similar 7etitioo from the Inha bitants of the city of Exeter. The Honourable Member stated that, though be felt it his duty to present those Ntitions, be should I come to the consideration of the great question to which they re. (erred with if disposition to give effect to the recommendation of his Majesty...-The petition was ordered to be printed, as was a similar petition presented by the same Honourable Member from the Mayor and Corporation of Exeter. Mr. W ILIA A 111 PEEL rose to present a similiir Petition Soto the Inhabitants of Taasworth and its neighbourhood. The pad. 'dossers stated that they !oohed with great alarm at any me..mre having for its object the ads:Mule° of Roman Catholics to that Hose House. and prayed that Parliament might not pass any Act calculated to effect any alterative in our Protestant codetitution in Church and &ate—(Hear). The petition was then ordered to he ptinted, together with a similar one presented frost Paisley by the same Hon. Member. Colonel SI IiTHORPE presented fair Petitions from different places in Lincolnshire. The Gallant Menthe( read *struts from each of the Petitions, which contained strong declarations against the question of Emancipation. One prayed that t:.e House wonll as once cot steal hopes of further concession, end persevere in the course which bad raise this country to the highest rank is the scale of nations, by the careful exclosien of all Papitts from inter ference in State concerns. These, the Gallant Member obsert.td, were real John Dull sentiMents; and as he represented an agricul tural county, he might be pardoned fer saying that che people of tbia county wished to have no cross-breed from a Popish but. ?lr. HOU LDSWORTH presented Petitions front thisham, Clifton, Dartmouth, and three other places iu Devonshire, against concession. Mr. GREENE presented a Petition of the like nature (rent TJI - in Lancashire. General ARCH DA LL presented two Petitions from Zilincnt places in the county of Fermanagh, praying that no further con cessions might be granted to the Catholics. The Petitioners stated , that their aaceaturs had been sent into Ulster under the protee• don of the Government. They had fought and bled in defence of the Protestant Constitution, and the Petitioners were wining , to Sght again-.-(Hear, and laught.7r). Mr. B. COOPER presented a Petition fgoat the city of Glom enter. signed by 2,500 persons. The Hun. Member observed, that nothing could exceed the enthasiann of the people of Glum cuter. They rushed in crowds to sin the Petition, and on the second day 1,::00 signatures were affixed to it. lie had before presented a Petition from the same place, signed by 4311 persona. Colonel WEt3B bore testimony to the great respectability of the Petitioners. Mr. H. MAXWELL presented Petitions front sevrti pparishes In Ariemb, esse from a pariah in Kildare, one from &el Of teen the seserei4esise Qs Masao and Ibdist obi EitahMafia Church at Olasgow.-and one tram the Ministers and Riders of a Congregation In Glasgow, all against Emancipation. I Tho.retition from the General Seme n Hayed that no alsoration r illit %snide in the Protestant Conmitutios of the country; and IMP added, that if Roman CatArolici were admitted to kgt4ative it would be a - violation - a the Treaty of Onion with &Pt- The Petitions were ordered to he piloted. Mr. MOOR E presented two sinsitar Petitions fr om parishes Ili the !WT . . county.—Ordered to be printed. i Mr. MOORE presented a Petition irons two persona le dr slice of Clerk of the Pleas, in Ireland, praying, that if the once should be abolished. their case might be considered, and cone motion allowed them.—Ordered to be printed. Mr. DUG DA LE presented Positions agal.ist Ensanri;ation fiats Kingsbtry and Lee Marston, in the county of Warwick.— i Ordered to be printed. Mr. CAULFIELD primate: Petit:ant from two Nsithcs in the county of Armagi*, in favour of Etuancipation ; and also Pc-, &loos from the same places against nix Sukiatting and Virsuy 1 Acta—Ordered to be printed. Mr. BURRELL presented Petitiois.;:ainct ILtrunwipatiou front lee parish of lilid4urst ; and also from the Rectors, Vicars, and Came:. of the rural Ikaneries of Chichester.— (Mitred to be I rioted. General GASCOYNE. in presenting a rtition from Manchester against the Catholic Claims, wild the peti tion was but the echo of the unequivocal va.iee which reiounded through the empire against tbe measures contemplated by his Majesty's Ministers. The present petition had been tigned 4 xy the nia..istrates, Vie clergy,- the merchants, and the genii,' of e Stanchesier an us vicinity. He was anxious to impress en the House the great repectability of many of the signatures arised to it; it had the names of 22,0 X persons, the warden, 60 clergyraen, and respectable inhabitants. The sigaa tures had been obtained with the stews' care; the peo ple bad crowded almost unsolicited to sign it; in f 'et, it was the most tezulmly prepared petition that had ever been presented to the Hoes., mid a perfect pattern to all that might be got op hrieafier. A. t mere:, the names, but the occupation and residence of each of stee l undersigned, were subscribed to it. He tad examined 1 five out of the one hundred and thin teen 4.•eetS i f paiel:o merit of which the petition was cotopored, and could find.no female name among them. The petition con. tained the names and expressed the opinions of four.' fifths of the people of Manchester. An opposite petition might be got up, but it would not, lie was wire, contain one-tenth of the number of names contented in the irer. 1 tition which he had then the honour to present to the House. Sir GEORGE PHILLIPS denied that the petition expressed the opinions of the educated classes of Plan- chaster. The present petiti.ms, though said to be spon taneous, was, in fact, the elab orate production of three months. It had proceeded (scan a Meetit; held on the 1 24th November last. The requisition to call t h t.t-.etirg I had been signed by 506 of the Gentry, and 44 of the Clergy. This was met by a counter recr.ii skint', sian-cl by 413, representing four millions of money. At the Meet ing the party opposed to the Erst requisition were kept cut by police officers.. As to the ',resent petition, it had been 1 left it the door of Methodist Chapels end toll gates! I for signatures. The adult populeion of Manchester 1 amobated to '250,000 per sins ; so that 22,C'Xicochl ant be four.fifths of the inhabitants of Itiatichirter. :le thought that every man who had the iatzrests of the 1 Church at England at heart must lament the course i 1 which the Clergy had . taken on this occasion s l'iliat, must be thought of that Church, the Ministris orwhich could not preserve it even with their ample endowmer.ts, 1 without continuin3 the political exclusion of the Roman Catholics? Ha would begot the House to contrast this' petition with that presented by General Giscoyne.— The Dissecting Clergy expressed their entire confidence in the measures recommended by his Majesty's Govern- went, and prayed the House to divvy diem - into effect. He thought that the attempts made to raise a feeling of alarm through the country its consequence of ..the proposed measures vete ptetty much the same as thr,se practised more than a tenuity ago with legatd to another very important measure—the union with „Feet land. On that occasion one of the Most actiVe in spreading the alarm was the Earl of Nottingham— (Hetr). In the year 1715, the dull Earl of Nottinghaat had thus expressed himself on the proposed union with Scotland—age thought, if this measure should be car ried, as he saw no reason to doubt, he should then have outlived all the laws and the constitution of the coun try. He prayed that Gon might avert the dreadful calamity." The Constitution, however, stdi existed, and he had no doubt that, after the preens measure should be passed, it would not only continue to exist, hat be consicimahly strengthened. General GASCOYNE said the Petition had been so short a time in his hands that it was impossible for him to say whether there were not some marks, or perhaps more than one name in the same hand-writing. They must, however, be very few, or. the lion. Memb:r would have said mote of it. Sir E. K N ATC H BULL presented Petitions from tbe Protastant inhabitants of Chathon ; from the Protes. taut inhabitants of :Warden; of Rodrestet ; Gf Ayles bury; of Tunbridgt Wells; and several other places in the county of Norfolk (fifteen in all) against any fur— ther coneessicos to the Roman Catholics. Mr. SHIRLEY presented a similar Petition from the Pro testants of the manor of Derry, in the county of Itlonazhan. Sir C. COLE presented a Petition from a parkh in Gi.ctorgan to the acme effect. He so far differed with ti'e Pc:Waters, as to hope that the Governmeut cuold find sta.:clew securities, so as to mold.: t'.= to grant Einancipition. M.. CARTWRIGHT presented three Petiduns from parishes In Northampton to the same effect. • Mr. WALL presented a Petition from Guildford, in .favour of the Catholic Claims. Lord BEC fIVE presented a sicnilu Petition from the Cadey tics of Meath, front the Parishes of Nevus and Drumeendra, spinet the Vestry Act. Mr. W. HOWARD presented a I'e4ition from Chichester, against the employment of Climbing Days. Mr. HANCOCK presented a Petition from Shierora, tgeinst I further Concession to the Catholics. Sir C. HASTINGS presented a Petition front Leicester tit the ! same effect. Mr. SHOWNLOW gave notice that he woult:, to-Morrow, present the Petitiou agreed to at the :bannsla, in Dublin, iu favour of t oncession. Mr. DlLgi prr•enteil a Petition from „Malden, eyainst further Concesekm to the Catholics. Mr. LUMLEY stated that the Petition was oath signed by 150 aut of a population of GAO , . It was hawked about ilse sewn by thg bellma.:, no d he mentioned ibis circumstance to shoo what w:icht was to be enured to it. Mr. CAWTHOHNE presented a Padden from Lancaster against flatlter Coucestiou to the Catholics. CURTEtS prevented a :bailie Petitlon from Watbettma (Su.iez). Sir A. CA7IPBELL presented a Muller Petlden from the In. eurporate4 Barbers of C .s=ow, and also front the Coopers and Cordwdoess of ti s same City. Mr. WILSON peeeen:cd,a similar Peden from the Mayor and Coroormiqn of Stockton upen.Ties (Durban). the LORD MAYOR presented a Petition from the Clergy of Sion College, praying the House not to grant any further concessions to the Roman Catholics. He frequently had tile -honour of being selected to com municate the sentiments' of this learned body to- the House, and h did so with the greater pleasure in con- 1 1 sequence of the rand and generous manner in which they had expressed themselves. He was one of those who thought it was the peculiar duty of the Clergy to come forward and express their sentiments on this very important trkeesure; and bethought it was equally the duty of the House tolay manilas to them. The petitiuners declased,that, reaming on the many Isles sinss whic4 this Cosatty-its4 4 ,l,Q.earlet the Cosi.' • . stitution as settled at the Rriolation; the/ could set contemplate. without alarm, any alteration is it. Th e friends of toleration, they totally di•elairned any wish to subject their Roman Catholic fellow subjects to any fuller eirAbilities than those that were necessary for the preset 'Anion of the Constitution; but they considered that admitting them to sit in Parliament coold not be done without destroying these laws 'which ought ; met to be sacred. llsting ten years which he (the-Lord Mayor) had the honour of sitting in that House ht: had considered it his dut 7 to oppose the claiias of the Roa m Catholics : he had done so from a conscientious h. c li ng . At the same time iv: was ready to admit that consider. ing the dreadful state of agitation in which Irelind we % Ilse House shoeld of least follow the advice whicb his Nlsi:sty had given, end take into corisideration the lava which a rotted t3;:ns. if the propo.ed measure should . appear to be P specific for Ireland, whilst 4 afrorded sorlc'ent vcority to the Chorsh niEngland and Abe esLablisheJ Constittoino, such a inea.ure tainly have bis sUpprrt, bo• no a ther hear). The Lord Ma; .^.r ca: e:ad:4 :17 pr.:lasting a Pelitionliom the Cleigy cut London assembled at Slot College.—The Petition was ordered to lie oo•the table, and to be ..-4intet.l. Mr. fItINIC said he :.ad tauch pieasore io presenting a pc:ition . from Montrose in favour cf Catholic Einem cipaticn. it bad keen stated that s puls:ic opinion ie Scotland was a:: verse to Catholic I.snaatipatinn ; but he contended that a great charge had lately taken pla:c in the opinion cr the peuple of Scctlant: on that tte.):,tet. This charze vats desunorrated 4 the. result of va.inur toblie mtetinzs whic!. had feces-41y , bees held in that country. At a public :nceting in GlaUpw a petition in favour cf ;•imaicipatioi. wa:cartied.LAy a otompitan: maj n:4. At C.: or:oe and M...nttose put.):ic niece.oss mu - a r:so ; an.l. at the No e , place. alter a vvi y considcra'ai.., t l :7custionot petAioe in :-..vour o: the CeLls. , lics was agit.ed to with ~ .nlysene disseatieot voice. All the recent ac•:ounts from.Stois land tl:uwed that the cpinicisis of tie penple' of that country on the Catholic Question w. is much changed. and that they were anxious to leave the settlement of this imps:. tan: questi , .n to the House and the tase r e. anent, in full confidence that every thing would be done to se::.:e those principles upon. which the . Ccnsti. tution was founded —Toe psitittoo wan ordered, to be printed. Sir GLOCGS COCKBURN prerenrci a Petition iron+ lite Pr.teetart Olesectere of Plymouth in favour of the Catholic Claim..—Ore rid to he ninre i. Mr. POTTEit MAC' EEN ironic:led rite motion sto‘d for eats :wiling lot the 11.3.1t1; to lebOlre itrelf In.o ir n:ittee on the 6-.4tlement by Thrinit BC!, un:11:, - ..rnorrov, The CIL% NCELLOR of the IMCH E. it, on tl.e motile of dee.Conuniftee on the Clerk of she Mae :ImIxod) Utfl,ptur. 'poued until Monday next. DUTY ON GLASS. Upon the CI-lANCILLTAVI. of ti:: 13!:CHnii7 ER motto: rbe readlog of t:te ofticr of tlAt clay for tLe Ho .se reaolv:r; Seri( tutu a Committee '2f Mr. C. D. 0. JENHSON said, he thought this a F ood opportunity fur cilling the attention of the Right lunoorable Gentleman to a subject of some importance in Ireland.* A drawback was formerly allowed nn elms intperttd into that courtly, but this drawback having been lately withdrawn, the price of glass had incteal:ad enormously in Ireland. The window tax had been.te pealed in that country with r view of affording an tip. portanity to the poorer classes of householders to avail themselves of the comfortuf windows, so necessar7 to health and cleanliness. The high price of glass, how. I ever, made it impossible for the poorer honseholattrs to avail themselves of the opoortur.ity afforded by the re peal of the window duty. Under those circumstances, he took the liberty of suggesting the propriety of ie• terning to the old system, and allowing the drawback I to in taken off un glass exported to heland. The CH AIiCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER asstired the-Honourable Gentle/ma that the subject had under. gone the fulle,t consideration from his Majesty's Go. vernm,ent. The former system gave an opening for frauds, which was taken advantage of to an enormous extent, and tire drawback was therefore withdrawn. 11 the same system was again resorted to, and the draw. back was restored, it would do no good, and ftauilsto la great extent would again be practised. IMPIPLTORDEADICE ESTIMATES.. On the motion of the Cu tacu.tua craw Eteunnosa,tlte Moe then retched itself kno a Conv.rittm of Supply, and the Ordain* natinutea were ordered to be referred to the Committee. Mr. PERCEVAL said, that in introducing the Ord nance Estimates, lie should not trespass long upon the Committee, as he knew his Right llon.Friend near him would supply any deficiency on his past two the pie- ' sent Occasion, and give such explanations as might be called for in the course of the discussi .n. It was his duty, however, as there would appear in this years. esti mates & very large increase under the head of Ordnance, to explain how that incrca e arose, which he hoped heshonld be able to do satisfactorily, without committing the erabsers of there estimates in any departure from those principles of economy which the Government hard 'aft* tioned and enforced in the different public departments The increase on the votes for Ordnance services in the Ipre,ent ye .r amounted to 125.°971. The sum last year was 1,597.1991. and the vote cal!ed for Uri; year would be 1.7•23,093 i. &lure entering into zorr.parisea 'between these Totes, he would ju , t remark that he meant to leave out of his account a sum of 6,1131. for the ealmate of the pay and Allowances of the five comps vies of the Royal Staff Corps transferred so the ordnance • from the army estimates, for six months, commencing r • from the 25th of June, 1829. With reference to. the vote of credit, as compared with that for last year, the Committee were to bear in mind that with this item was connected rents of canteens, sale of condemned I stores, which were to ,ro in diminution of the genets) Capone,. They 'would - also bear in mind, that who'd. Right Hon. Friend, who had been Secretary to the Hoard of Ordnance , was examined before the Finance Committee, he haideclased that, particularly tespect• • lag the Bo ard of WorLe, the contemplated arrangement* which were suggested as economical would eveetsellt produce co saviug. In the two sums of 69,863 i. fee . public "works, and 14,0001. for stores, would be forted an excess of espenditute between the: of the last pm. The diminutions would be chilli/ found in the Ordnance Department, and in the Royal Military Madill,* In comparing these reductions, it would be unfair t• take the calculation singly with the year 1628; whi r experimental changes had km made. He shoOld th en , fore take the comparison with the average of the doe years prior to 1828, which would show that **consider. 41 able saving had been effected. Upon dividing the Eat 1 ! timates into the heads of effective and non-efective, k would be seen that great pains bad been taken toad* the service as economical in its charges as was tension( with the demands of the public service. He was afraidi however, that the calculations in the papers 'which be. had before him would be somewhat perplexing, be' cause, owing to the change which bad taken place is compiling these accounts, several services were new aseit , delled. The whole of the actual civil establishlbeel!„,igL t . • • Tower were now bone in the returas - fecial-tif. lq _+' and Pall Pan; and 'lf the accounts wite:Act down examined, then would appear to Oar , 1110111 -11 - gnaw, ibeisasivio t he *or iDs 011atisw • -.-' al rtan ter . a Y titiaije' aim • blidsid"Odaviai. as and military buildin. one. ;department, ha ordinance ind barra . istalslisbnients at in ZOO barrack and last year, had also estimates for 1829. • mate for 1828 was - been transferred, as of 24.4531. total 507,' 1829 was 477,898, 500,6101. showing a . also some smaller red the extrordinary Esti 580.7151. those for 18 71.7151. more, includi Lind at Sheerness, to.. tension by the enlar timing upon them. H a small increase in I metes being 118,74' 128,9791. In the so allowances, these (Or the • present year w - crease of ZB7ll. • U Great Britain and t 11828 was 131.763 i. fo crease of 13.8731. foe new works, postponed wrier the head of bar - 0,6661. the amount ha preient 113,5711. t • In the current account • old stores, &c. to the a lacy store branch there ' 5.6224 it being in 1828 He had thus touched c of the Estimates, awa statement as lucid at i. Right Honourable Fri ply any deficiency he present resolution, *Li. 70,2444. be granted t• • pens*, of the salaries o' nant General, and the the Ordnance, for the Mr. HUML was not • Estimates now before t labia hid taken place The Secretary at War ...as to the impossibility . .incseese• however in t Scirveyor Ce.ier ; the from twerity-isine to fo . of the Ordnance, the • creased from twenty-th the principal Store Kee ,:seen 10 thiny.two. ~inot been accounted for -that the Government reduction .could be . ...his own department .reduction of one half . penmen:. The Anil! • be placed under the the Commander-in-CI) , alteration in the syste there c..uld be no reduc the reductions in this es , lion appeared to have tablishment to an enor objected particularly to under the department. singers. and he did not .Soundlor them. The / .to complain of the cum business of the Guinan. An improved system the recommendation of if the consolidation w been adopted. the num Would have been chs. what he bad often urge only be by small establi bon could be eff.•cted, might hope for such a would give freedom an mote the interest of co , they wore told that re bow was that statement state of every eatablibh cially, in the present in six and twenty lumen department that could number? In 1796. the upwards of 18.0001. at Now, he complained of Was an enemy to ',her. of Government, (or ill '-of obtaining faithful a complained of the expel) -and pr duced the count Mr. PERCEVAL, in crude, adverse 1 to a circ source of gratification--r in the expenses of the dr . to be Popular, because it expense from which the c money. Oa the subject o say that he had been mi.. trahsfers that he spok ; been consolidated under . twentymestengers, there and they had quite as In Mr. A. BARING edema Quebec, Montreal. end Ktn3st whether the sons was (or new pairing the ordinary establithn Mr 11. lIARDINGE said t Canada had received the Lac. sum bad been upended. The expenditure of that sum pr. 'The canal upon which so large ware public work, which cou degree, and be conducive to, t Mr. A. BAKING doubt . annual expenditure for the b • distant peeled cease to be ours. Mr. HUME wished again t • p the six sad twenty Niemen! 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