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WRLIAMANTORr PROCEEDINGS: iidit si Or AiskiL Is: The of Linea.* *as intfoistedi and took the UAW eat,W ind his neat. Id the Itinibului Appeal tette, kin. 9: Intiel4 Mt. folio Clerk WM again heard on behalf of the Appellants. Proceedings post. polled dual after tke retro!: Mr. i ind a deputation !torn the Cozninoni, brought up th ree Priyateßills. The Irish Duties Bill, and the Irish Wool Export Prohibition Bill,. wire teSerally read a thitd time and pissed: 4teport of the Cotrunittee upon the Scotch Judicature ethe received, and, with tie amendments, ordered to be printed. Lord SIDMOITIII _ , adverting to the Order. of th eir Lottishlps of the of Mairl fl' i th e production of certain Reliant relating to the iitittiVer of the niih vessels seized and detai red in the several at! of tSe Unite gingdom, the ntinber of DOA* subject* detained as ptisoneti of War, &c. pre*loui to any &cis ritidn of wit; Otiservedi chit although Moved fdr so long awl, these piPeis had not ,-et been laid before their Lordshipsend,- et be bad intimated his intention of gain troubling theif Loydthips if these Order , * were not cOmplied with, he nifir role for the pur pose of moving, that the Papers befiire akudedto,be forthwith laid before the House, in ordei that the sanie might be printed, for the use of their LOrdshipi. • The qutilien being put; tiik motion was agreed to without Obserratierf. A Copy of the Orden of Council nfibe 50th March last was presented, pursuant to an Address of the House, and was ordered to lie on the Table. _ &metal Private Bills weir forwarded throtigh thtii reiptttiiie stages, and after some furthtr routine busineis, the House ad. joupied until to-morrow, (this day) • ; HOUiS OF COMMONS. Sugar Drawback BiU owes presented, read the first time, sad ordered for the second reading on Tuesdat, the 26th inseam Mr. BAb/KES give notice, that he should, after the holidays, move certain resolutions respecting the exempiltin of foreigners from the Property Tax: Sir CHARLES POLE presented a Petition from the Artiacen in Plymouth. Dock, praying to be: refitted from the Property Tax ; which Petition was laid On the table. He also presented a Petition from Debuts confined in the Ward of St. Thomu, is the County of Devon, praying relief, which also wap ordered to lie on the tablz. Mr. LOCKHART presented a Petition from the Churchwar- /lens and Overseers of the Parish of St. Luke, against 'the Bill, sow pending in that House, respecting the support of the Poor of the said Parish.—Ordered to lie on the table. • DEFENCE BILL. Lord CASTLEREAGH presented his Bill fot the Fiiibla ment oft local Militia, irliikh was read a ilia time, and ordered far &second reading on the 29th instant. NABOB OF ARCOT. Mr. LDSHINGTON snotred, that an Account of the Balance of the Debt due by the EMI India Company to the Nabob of Ar cat, up to the year ISOli and Other Papers connected with Chit ague, be laid on the table. VAUXHALL SETIXIE. On the Order of the day being read ter the second reading of the Vauxhall Bridge Bill, , Mr. Alderman COMBE hating aignilied that a Petition had been presented against the cattle, and that Counsel had permission to attend thereon, The SPEAKER sent ont to Inquire if Countel were in attend ance, but the Serjeant at Arms reporting that they wets nSt, die Bill was read a second time; and ordered to be committed. ELECTION lorriIIONE. Earl PERCY, from the Committee appointed to try the merits of the Wexford Election, reported, that the said Committee re quired further evidence; and in order to obtain it, moved for leave to adjourn, until such further evidence was brought forward, namely, till the 46th day of Aptii instant; to which Motion the House agreed: • Sir ROBERT SALUSBORY, from the Committee appointed to try the merits of the Downpatrick Election; made a similar motion ; to which also the House agreed. Mr. D. GIDDY moved; that the order of the day for the cor: sideration of the Grainposuid Petition be read and discharged, on anount of the inability orb= of the necessary witnesses to attend: Ste then moved that it be postponed to the Stith df May next: This was resisted by Sir A: PIGOTT, Sir JOHN NEWPORT, and Mr. CALVERT, as conducive to unneeresary delay, which isitperhaps prove ultimately fatal to the Petition ; and . D. GIDDY, at length, consented to withdraw his motion. SETTLEMENT OF THE POOR. Colonel STANLEY rose, and observed, that there was nothing which more concerned the interests of humanity, nothing which tailed more loudly, for the exercise of it, and nothing, tfiettrofe, which had a greater claim tlpott the attention and consideration of Parliaritent, thanwhat is technically called the .tettlemnst of the Poor ot this Cotintry. Impressed with these sen timenti, he determined bti devising some system by which the difficulties in the way of settlement might. hereafter be obviated, and the variety of litigations between parishei be put an end to. In digesting this part of his system, it occurred to him then, that there was another part essentially requisite to be anneted to it, namely, to Make some regulations With respect to removals of poor persons, especially indigent scots and Irish, who, when left destitute of friend* or . Means in this part of the United Kingdom, becothe objects of the greatest distress, and suffer incalculable hardships from the laws of removal, as they at pre sent exist. Ti'e Honourable Member then mentioned generally the nature of his plan, and moved " For five to bring in a Bill for the better Rest:dating the SPttlentent of the Poot; and for the better Conducting the Remo val of Scots mid - Irish Paupers." Mr. LOCKHART cordially agreed with the Ho nourable Baronet, that softie ineasnres were requisite to correct the laws as they now stood, respec ling these matters I and he was of opinion, that, with a few amendments and alterations, the system submitted would well ans'wef the purposes interkied. Leave was given to bring in the BilL SUGAR Mstmurnv. Lord BINNING brought up the report from the select Committee,to whom it *a's referred to consider the Petitions from the West. India Merchants, and the expediency of confining, for a time to be limited, the Distilleries of Great Britain to the consumption of sugar instead of corn. On the question being put that the report do lie on the table, Sir HENRY MILI)MAY rose to declare to the House, that the opinion contained in the report, that i was advisable to stop fora time the use or grain iti Vie distilleries of this country, thbugh certainly carried by a majority of the Committee, was by no means unanimous : and that, convinced of its impolicy, of its injurious tendency towards the agricultare and 1 traded interest of this country, seeing that no pub. 1 c grounds had been satisfactorily shewn to justify t' le measure, and that it must be extremely mis chievous to the country, and more especially to the growers of hariey throughout the kingtionf—he should, as a frknd to the landed interest, and to the agricultural prosperity of the country, oppose the measure in every stage. Mr. TIJITE thought tl:e landed interest had al r:ady been too much oppressed ; there wet.: already too many persons in that House, connected with tractt aid the colonies, ever to permit the landed interest .o have its due weht in the country. Mr. WEST ERN also objetred to the Report of the Cummittee. Adiniral HARVEY declared himself decidedly hostile to the proposed measure. He had tII honoiit to reside id, and refieepent a county wherein a great quintity of barley was grown, arid which of tours* would be se:midi injured by such a plan. If in deed there existed any scareig' of bread corn iti the country; to affect the price of provisions to the pole, a stoppage of the distilleries in the consomption of tern might be a just and reasonehle eteedient. But to debar the home distilleries from consuming the growth of British soil, to the obvious injury of British agriculture, in order to divert that consumption in fa. voile Of colonial produee; was a principle which he 1 1 considered as insufferable, and to which he nevei would consent. He had been confidently infornied that in the nomination of the Committee who made 'this report, the Members for Norfolk, Kent, Suffolk, and Other great agricultural counties, had been puri p4zisely excluded as ifiterested patties. He would - not permit such a principle to pass without his strongest iipi•ntition. Whit, he would Zak, was the principle of all iepresentatioti, Inasmuch as it was local and extarte an its name*, but that the common and gene ral interests should be inferred from the aggregate of local litterests, zeal, and knowledge. Mr. HIBBERT said, he had the honour -if being a Member of the Committee *he drew op that report, and lie should thifik himself gtoslly defective in his duty es a Meinher of that Holise, if considering the subject referred to the Committee, he did not feel as anxiously for the landed and agricultural interests of the country, as any man who heard hies, however lame his lathiest pfoperty. If Gentlemen would only wait until they should have read the Report, they . Would add that the subject had not been taken ttp merely as a West India question, but consideredfully iri iWrilation to foreign countries, and also to the interests of this Country ; and independently of Any. consideration respecting the teriturnption of sugar, it was deemed wise to suspend the distillation from corn —for *hest We consider the state of the late crops, and the situation of Europe, and - particularly of those countries from which we were Skont heretofore to de rive a supply of corn, there could not be the least round for apprehension that the, measure would ground for apprehension titat the, measure would lower the price of barley even sixperite in the quarter —and if he thought it would have such an effect, he would be one of the last men to recommend it—but while Gentlemen considered the interest of the British farmer and landholder, and the policy of encourag ing the consumption of domestic produce, he hoped they would also consider that there remained on hand in want of a market, a large redundancy of produce, the gf owth of British territory, and the propettt of trit subjects; arising from the occupation of .British capital and induitry in another qUarter of the globe,a principal source Whence this inuntry drew the mate rial of her manufactures, where she found not only art iftipertant mart for their consumption, but her intercourse with which furnished a school for the maintenance of her naval power. It was matter of satisfaction that the redundant produce might be sub stituted for corn, to supply a home manufacture, without injury to the interests of agriculture ; for the report itself recommended that the moment any suth injury should in the smallest degree be felt, his Ma jesty, in Volincil, should put a stop to the sugar dis tillery. Ile begged, however, that the report might be fairly read and considered, before Gentlemen con demned the measure. Lord BINNING also rest mMended a pitiatt lead ing of the report previous to discussion ; and advert-- ink to the observation of the Honourable Admiral, Who spoke early in the debate, that the Members for Norfolk, Essex, and Suffolk were excluded from the nomination Of the Ccfmmittec as interested parties, he begged leave to observe, that if every Member, not named on that Comthittee, *as to consider himself as excluded on the consideration of his being an in terested party, the Right Honourable Gentleman who named the Committee must be supposed to hate carried his principle of exclusion to a great extent.— He should decline discussion in this stage of the bu siness, and only move that the report be printed and circulated for the mature consideration of Members, preparatory to their being taken into consideration after the recess. Mr. LUSHINGTON was surprized at the appre hensions expressed by Gentlemen, of any injurious contecitterices to the growth of barley, or the agricul ture of the country—at the same time it must be ad mitted, that the West India Merchants and proprie tors had patiently suffered as many severities from the. war as any other class of subjects, and were surely deserving of consideration and relief—for if by any disaster the advantages of the West Indies to this country were cut off, how much heavier would the public burthens fall on the people at home Mr. BRAND was decidedly against the measure, and was astonished that such a principle as that of diverting the distilleries of the country from consum ing the produce of domestic agriculture tb that of fo reign produce, should be thought compatible with the landed or agricultural interests. Being in direct.' opposition to the doctrines laid down by Stewart, Smith, Hume, Condorcet, Quemoy, and all the great writers on political economy and the wealth of na tions, he should oppose it in every stage. The CHANCELLOIt of the EXCHEQ4JER after disclaiming the partiality imputed to -Itint ih the nomination of the Committee by the Honourable Admiral, declared that he had been guided by nb other principle than, a wish of selecting Gentlemen most competent, froth their experience and know ledge of the common interests of the colonies and the mother country, to form the best conclusion as to What was most advisable to be done for the tem wary rolief of the British West India Merchants and proprietors ; what measures might be devised as best Itor the purpose, to what length it might go, and how it might affect other interests concerned. Temporary relief by a temporary measure was all that was de sired ; and whatever he might hereafter have to of fer to the consideration of the House upon the sub: ject recommended by the report on the table, he wish ed to wait until he was better informed by the re: port, and to avoid forming any opinion upon the sub-, jest until he should have read it ; but he really thought the existing interests of the British agricul turist had a much more 11 rnsidable and permanent cause of apprehension, from the number of inclosure bilis daily passing in Parliament, and which, in the course of the present year, would throw something like 14,000 acres into cultivation, - than in the mere temporary measure reconiineaded by this Report. ' Mr, ELLIS spoke is favour of %be measure, and declared it to be the e . ipinlon of all the Members who conAteted the Majority of the torfratittee in (viola of the. Report, that it was not likely to be of the smallest injury to the landed .intetests or agriculture .er of the country. Mr. virmbllAm thougkt diseussiOn, in the pre sent stage of the business, "premature, end that all debate shotild,be pottptred until the Report should be printed. He rose principally to express his dif , fertilee in opinion from the Right Honourable Gen tleman who had said this was a measure not so for midable to the (*Ming interests of the country ai that of throwing 14,000 new acres info tillage: This might ceftainly create rivalship Between one set of cultivators arid another in the country, but to -the country itself it ieould be eaineeei rine injurig ! whereas no man could den*, fiat transferring the consump, tion of the 4istilleries from domestic to colonial pro duce must be, so far ai it went, of some injury to the interests of British agriculture. - Sir JOHN SII4CLAiR said the apprehension of this measure had excited great and general alarm, arid hoped the Report would not only be printed, but widely circulated beThre the measure came to be dis missed, that all who thdught themselvei likely to be a - grieved might haye•time and opportunity to petition. Mr. MANgING vindicated his conduct in the Committee, in impartially considering the subject with as earnest attention tb the British landed interest as any other concerned ; and in answer to What had fallen from an Himmiralde Admiral, said, that out of the 25 Members Who coMposed the Cominittee, 14 had no concern th West Indian Interests: Mr. MACL OD joined in the opinion expressed by Sir iiihn" nclair, and said, the apprehension of this measure had excited the greatest alarm in his and the neighbouring coanty, where he doubted not meet ing**.were already holding on the subject. .The Report was ordered to be printed ; and Lord BINNING said, he should, after the recess, call the ideation of the House to the subject, with a view to found same measure upon it: trietaimAax cuakrze 4 nat. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER presented the Stipendiary Curates' Better Provision Bill, which was read the first time. Mr. M. A. TAYLOR could not suffer the bill to pass even this stage, without expressing his satisfaction, as a friend to the Church, that a measure was at length brought forward, 'Which, by making a proper provision for curates, was likely to ensure their resi dence within their parishes. In the course of his jour ney through great part of the country, in the last summer, he had observed with the deepest sorrow, that in a vast number of parishes not only the beneficed clergy. we're not resident, notwithstanding the law which lately passed that House to oblige them to be so; but that even the curates in almost every place were absent ; and the principal reason was, so far as he could learn, that the benefited clergymen, in ern. ploying curates to do their clerical duties, did not so much consider the competence and fidelity of the curate to do his duty, as the price at which he tould be got Hence the negligence that so shamefully prevailed ; and which, lie hoped, this bill would Viet , tually remedy. But lie was kitty not to see flow in his place a Right Honourable Baronet who had brought in a bill some time ago to enforce the resi dence of the beneficed clergy, td tell him that it was grossly evaded. The? found it easy, upon the slightest pretences, to obtain licences to absent themselves from. their' pastoral-duties. Many, very many instances fell within hit knowledge, and one in particular, of a very rwealthy clergyman, who held two rich bene fices, :;distant from each other ; and not only at one, but al both of which he continued to be perpetually non-resident ; for at the one, he found a physician to certify that the situation Was detritnehtal to his own health, which excused his attendance there; and at the other, a medical person was found to certify that the situation was hurtful to the health of his wife ; so that he 'resided at neither. He sincerely wished that the Government would look to this prevailing and shatfteful evil with close vigilance, and put a stop to it if possible. The CHANCELLOR of the UtCHEQIIER said, he hoped the presefit bill, by rendering the situ ations of the curate's conifortable, and enabling them to maintain a respectable appearance, with the other provisions it contained, would operate to ensure their residence ; but as he expected a very warm opposition to it in the House, he hoped for the Honourable Gen tleman's attendance and aid, in the course of its progress. is Mr. TAYLOR promised, and the bill was read the second time, committed, and the blanks being filled up, it was reported and ordered to be prin ted, for the purpose of circulation preparatory to its fiirure discussion. The report of the Stipendiary Curates Bill was brought up, ordered to be printed, and further con sidered to-morrow fortnight. A Message from the Lords announced that the Irish Duties Bill had passed. PINANCI Mr. BIDD'ULFH 'moved a series of Finance Re solutions to lie on the table, and be taken into further consideration on Friday fortnight. His object, he said; -was to obviate the imposition of unnecessary taxa for the year 1808. He thought that laying unnecessary ;burthens on the people at this time Would tend; above all things, to bring his Majesty's Ministers into discredit and contempt with the Coun try. The method which he had in view, and which he Stated three ways of accomplishing, was by the sale of property at present unproductive. In pro posing this, he was impelled by no love of innova tion, but he was anxious to prevent unnecessary taxes; and in the furtherance of so laudable an object, ' he hoped the mere forms 'of the House would not prove an obstruction. If he proposed that the Crown Lands should be sold, then indeed he should meet with a merited rebuke ; but he did no such thing; he merely proposed the entire sale of what had been al ready sold in part; he hoped that mere fortns would •not oppose this project, and that he should meet with no obstruction from the Administration. What be proposed the sale of would not be miisecl by the CroWn. If this scheme were allowed to lie on the table; there weak be no necessity for the long haber dasher's list of finance. ' ' j 'The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER deprecated the intended interference with the crown Lands. He stated, that a sale kad formerly been attempted, and the indemnification obliged to be given to the cwners, on account of contingent overbalanced the profit. • "NI After a short conversation on the snlieet of 'notion, which respected the sale of the lands, h etipt Mr. Bidddlph, the Chan ce ll or o f the Etches.. Mr. Huskisson, and Mr., Leshistidge, t h e r oot i a l; withdrawn, AMU PM/WC& The Report of the Committee of Supply was .ceived, and the resolutions were agreed t o . Upon the Resolution for graming l ow tot Protestant Charter Schools of Itthad, Mr. PARNELL rosea to draw the attention of t i House to a circumstance respecting those y t • • which he had before alluded to, and which beth oom , ought to be redressed. A sort of Catechism lat t ihT e i composed' for those Schools, called the u Catechism," which did not dwell, as the C • we are best acquainted with, upon Prayers, C ree j__ Commandments, bus went' alM ost entirely to i; the tenets of the CArßoclic Church, wlfch we eon. pletely Misrepresented in it. Almost all the arte ry • which were in this book respecting the doctrin es the Catholic religion were completely unr cniodzd; they were in contradi c ti on to the doctrines whi c h 4 e 'Catholic children learned in their prarer-book, 2 2 4 which the Catholic body professed and avowed. E t then readaeveral extracts from this " p rotestant Ce. techism," as it was called , and compared them w i t h the Catholic prayer-book, and with the.deciarationt solemnly subscribed by the Catholics. The effect cl impressing such gross misrepresentatio ns en the minds of young children could iat Only to i ncrease those re• liginus animosities which every good rim wi s h e d t . allay as Much as possible. Atong the incli nes :which two thousand children are now tauglatar those Protestant. Charter Schools, are these—" thatth e b ody , of the Catholics conceived that no allegiancetrun oe to the King, and that faith was not to be kefiteirel heretics." It was evident that they innst hate whom they conceived capable of.entertainie ß nt h sentiments. At a time when the liberality-of, rnent was appealed to in support of this Institution, he conceived it would be a proper erne to reform this abuse, and to prevent such a Catechism being taught . . • at these schools. Sir A. WEL LES I.Ele• *as srasT hat this subject had been drawn into discus s i on . in that' Hoak I t h id already engaged the attention of. theloard of Edu. cation, who would probably give chrectionsrespectiag it. He certainly never had seen.aie Protestant Cate ehism' nor was he Icquainted'etith those documents which the Hon. baronet quoted to refute it; but he thought, that when. he had stated what was taught in some schools, he ought alsb to h ave stated what was taught in o thers. He had been informed, that at several Catholic ichools children had been taught to read, not in the Bible, but in Paine's Rights of Man, and in books which give an account what the Roman Catholics of Ireland had suffered from the Protestants, Such an education as this would breed them Op in a fixed and rooted hatred to Protestants. Mr. GRATTAN bore testimony to the good ma nagement of the Charter Schools in other retpects ; but he condemned this " Protestant Catechise'," which hid been' tdinposed for 'their use. Among Other extracts which he read front it Was one irke . e the child is asked, was there any saleatien for persohs in the Communion of the Church of Rcelle ? The iannswgreeartthoalitarwad if they sinsu didbstan nnce, t embrace t ite h n e a irio t t we 4 ., when It was offered them, and abjthe the Mass in Which thes6vere bsbught up. ' Mr. ELLIOT mid from that Roman Catholic Prayer-book, which was published by the sanction of the' our Catholic Archbishops of Irekticl, asul which was put into the hands of all the Catholic childrin of that country, doctrines totally different from those which had been imputed to them in this et Protestant Catechism." The precepts in the Catholic Prayer. book were, allegiance to the King, and respect to ex isting Governments. In that part of it which related to love and charity to our neighbours, the question is put to the Catholic child, " Who is your neighbour r The aniwcr is, " Mankind of every persuasion, and we are bound to love Whose who differ frotn us in opi• 111074 arid even those who injure us." Sir JOHN NEWPORT thou ht. that it Was no sort of excuse for such doctrines being taught in our Charter Schools, which are national institutions un der the controul of Government, and paid by the public, to say that at some obscure Catholic school doctrines as mischievous were taught. He thought the Honourable Gentleman (Mr. Parnell) had done very right in bringing the business forward in this manner, as it was often by the animadvasions of the public that the grossest abuses were corrected. It was not above fourteen years ago, whenno children could be educated at those Protestant Charter Schools but the children of Popish parents, and it was very lately a custom to send the children from the South of Ire land to the North, and change their names for the pur pose of. cutting off all intercourse with their parents or relations. Those abuses had been hitherto lima 'pally corrected by hecomingsubjects of general con versation arid genitive. Colonel BARRY supposed it possible that this " Protestant Catechism" might have been composed before the Catholics formally and solemnly disavowed the sentiments imputed to them. Mr. FITZGERALD (the Knight of Kerry) said, that Mr. Parnell had been absolutely obliged it:lbn% this matter before the House, as he had been defied to produce such a Catechism At the time he alluded to it. The Catechism had now been produced, and it was a composition only fit for a Portuguese Jesuit, in the 16th Century. If Ignatiu: Loyale had now been alive, and .was Chancellor of the Exchequer for Ire land, he must have been quite ashamed to defend a. Catechism like this. Its object was evidently to .in stitute a hatred for every person of a different religious creed, and 'when we were asked to pay ir20,000 r annum for those Schools, it was time to require tUt the Catechism should be kid aside. Mr. PARNELL said, that he had not intended to find fault with any thing eke in these institutions, and having mentioned this matter publicly, he should aot refuse to vote the sum named m the resolution. The resolution was then agreed to. Upon a Resolution for a Giant for the House of Industry in Dublin, Mr. FITZGERALD said, he considered that the time for met.sioning abuses in any of those insti• tuttons was when money was moved for to be applied towards them. 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