Star. — London, England, 1829-04-06 00:00:00

• . -_-,2L••••••••••2 Ir.. . it.. 4 a] The unions which had sake° place w .ionic tither ts.ustirt.... been appealed to ; there why Indeed unions but HOC set to, S cions, end they served to show that Protestant and Roman . thoßtkpeiver were inure likely to be harmonious when separate than when united. He would not travel through the Tan matter which would he necessary to ehowthat there was . InArter_the.efeffffils IWlThlFlStriird' to A. state and circumstances of this kingdom. hut he would mon broadly, and 'inelegancy of contradiction, that there was no country of Europe in which the ecclesiastical authority of the Church to Revue %ensile, mitigated and restricted by some domestic power. And that after the passing of this.Aet .li.nellupd -would present the solitary example of political Sower entrusted to the adherents of the Church of Rome, without check or cesium! of any kind upon ter eteftrsiaoleal authority. He would 'toot refer to the details of history, but of those who said that the charterer of the Church or Rome was uo longer the same as it had formerly hem, he would demand to point a ainele instance In which the had.tzercised mot to's totalled power, Without employing it for the purposes of per. esculent,. He intended no offence to individuals, but the declare dons of Roman. Catholic Ecelmiastkal aetborities, upon which' some persons were dimmed to place much reliance. were not awl titled to reeved. They were declaration, of honour, and formed no fit ground of legislation. Oaths impostd •upoli men were reli giose, obligatioos, but when they were opposed to other rehelims obligations they ceased to he of any value. He should not. he trusted, be accused of resorting to musty records for his authority. when he quoted the Bull of Pope Leo the Twelfth, issued in the year 1123. This Bull had reference to certain oaths supposed to have been taken by the Carbonari of Italy. 'He quoted from a woik called the Calkeic Spedolor, a work published by authority. Ile would prove from this lieu, that if the Catholic Religion west' cheesed, it must have been since the year 1825. Pope Leo XII.' said in this Bull that the Fathers in the Council of Laterals had *leek determined that so oath directed again it the hater's, of the Chisel' was perjury front the nutmeat when it was taken. If Leo Ell. in the nineteenth century was thus found referring to the so. thoritg of the Council of Lateran, which was held in the 12th ctn. tory, surely he had a right to say th tbeCatholic religion remained unchanged. He memo no disrespect to the Noble Duke, but what be colketed!from his statement was, that England was no longer able to retest Ireland, and eaie the time bad now come when Ire. land must govern England, and therefore he proposed to abandon laws which up to a very recent period he had thought good and be neficial laws. This statement was a most alarming one, and he could not conceal his surprise at thy composure whh which it bad been listened to by their Lordships... The Noble Duke had also said that they could not get a House of Ormonons which would concur in the riltalkUltti necessary to support the present law, lie del not know hew far this asset dote was well founded, hut he did know th-t the Noble Duke bed nor tried, and apparently was determined not to try. the eapeeiment. They were now shout to secure the Protegees religion by giving increased political power to cite Roman Callus. , lies. This appeared to him to be as reasonable as to appoint the Pope the guardian of the Protestantism of the British Crown. The °pinto'', of the rising generation of Stati.smeo had been referred to as affording • moral certainty of the measure being eventually cooled. Arpin ing minds—and -he did into meow that the description appioed wily ro the young men Di this Augustine age—eager foedistinction, found it easier to throw the great men of past generation* into the shade by differing front them than by. intitaiieg them; they disdained to build upon the old foundetion, to follow a tr..ct which was already beaten, or to draw water front the tountains sisals deli ancesionelied opened. They reqtsired new forme and rehab/UM/A 0. intellectual greatness. He foe one was not disposed to plow the welfare, happiness, religion, and liberty to a great nation at the entity, of a class of preemie with whom novelty and merit were synoiennous terms. lie admitted tit it the great foundations of berry were laid in Magna Cbsr:a; hut when ibis great national lei' cord waareferred to as a proof of the regard of our Roman Ca Stolle ancestors to political fractions. be could not forget that what lied to that clatter was a contest between the .King. the Harms, and the Clew, as to which of the three should have the power of oppressing the people. It had the morel effect of pacing both Clergy and laity under the judspiutleuce of the land; but the oleliasks who wok part in it were—and this was a circumstaoce which ought not to. be forgotten...subjected to the centres-of the Church of Rome for the part they wok upon that oecation. The seine thing was proved by the reigns of Edward I. and Kdward The nuenweit• that Kings became' able to subdue the spin. atrial postr*r they became the tyrants of the people; no civil li. bertyesitted in their feigns. Edward the Toed was the conqueror of the Clew, but be trampled oar' the liberties of the people. It was necessary then that the King should subdue them. and them govern his subjects by arbitrary power, or he would become these Neva—the slave of men• who mere neminal:y his subject.., but who were really the instruments of the l'rirsts. Liberty was not euablithed till the people came out of, darkticertill the great burst of mental emancipation fertilised the field of liberty *kb the ashes of superstition, which they were now tempted its part to rekindle, in proof of their great desire to preserve the blessings of liberty for their country. Whenever any cunthinatiou, reli. gimes, political, or philosophical. assumed a jurisdiction in a State adverse to the civil power, grounding its authority no more than . human means, that combination, being destructive of liberty, sleou'A -if possible be instantly deprived of the means of contruittiniffurther injury. In this way liberty was but another word for justice; for a,. justice protecteth religion and civil litterty.it was identified verb them. lie did nut see how any Noble Lords could agree with the theory of Locke; that total and unqualified toletetion was to be-realised. let them not be the slaves of phrases. When they raw total and unqualified liberty conduct men only to slavery, he must say th a t his mind, for one, was not so sublime' as to adept It. i know, said his Lordship, that many of your Lordship* bolo in the highest veneration the ancient monuments of Greece and Lonie. as well as their laws anti civil regulations, and, from eh, laws of Solon, it appears that the principle for a tench I now con , tend.was admitted 2,000 years ago. In Rome, the power of the I'riests was considerable; and Cicero in his &leis pro Dente. says. " Quid si ullo Impure ; magna cause sacerdotuen poputi Romani judicio se prutestate versara est ; bac protect° tante est, ut times republics dignity ontnium cesium sa us, vita Oboe tas ars foci dii posses bona Outman docnicitia 'wins lidei, prectstalique com. missa Creditaque CMG videactuT." My Lords, the people of Eng. laud are also ready to defend their religion; they are ready to do so, cot from any stupid or undebned attachment to it, but from ag belief in its purity and truth, and from its hying been handed dews to them by their forefathers; from a conviction that it hal lows arid makes sacred all their enjoyments. My -leads. these ate the grounds upon wirier my opintous upon this guys, iptware formed. I am noxious to preserve those I'rotestant principles and that Pro. testantConstlnitimi which seated the UMW of iliucswick on the 'Mue. Lord LI LFORD said, that the first question be should wish to ask was, whether this measure had been proved to be one of State arepowity ? Form all that he had beard, be thought that there was .absridant evident', to show that it was one of State necessity. The preplan then rim, what ought to be done? The answer was,oss ..ot two alterostives must be adopted—tither fools% r concessions must be granted, or martial lave must be wooed to in Itelasailow The latter course, he was convinced, coedit nut keep that coseileg io a state of permanent tranquillity. whilst its opt ration would mot certainly be productive of the must appalling remits. With ra.ptet in security, his Lordship thought that the be't security for alts 'maintenance of the Protestant Church would be found in, the sus► rior excellence of 'Rs principles. ilia Lordship concluded by sop porting the measure. . . The Earl ni WESTMORELAND askeJ in what s:a tasting, did their Lordships at that mammies/el? Ills M.jesty kad a lit Ms gracious Speech. directed them to take into ',trodden. tide the general situation of Ireland, with a,view to the extension et such relief as could be safely granted to his Roman Caiholic subjects. To this their Lordships, without any diatosion, replied that they would take the subject into their-moat serious considera tion. Then he would again ask. in what situation did they s:ow stand? How, could .they redeem their premise if they ti fused to take the question into their coosideresius? They bad passed a 1141—a mow extraordinary one.-.abolishing the Rom n Catholic Association, but they did co under the &semisoft given to has Ma. jetty that they intended to take this more important ques kiss inc their consideration. blany of their Lordships acquiesced in the former, soder the impre.sotion that the answer. grim by the 11.4 t-t-to -to his Majesty's Speech would he adhered to is the people 11 lit. lantacqolesced Ia the measure under the. aanzeinwresows. And then ins. hat Suasion would their Lordships be placed, if, instead 44 Oldie" and consideradon, they were to turn short upon these peestuit, aid say. " We will enter into nu inquiry—we will est take the question into our- contideratineo-what we said upon-that subject we said in order to deceive and catnip you ?"—(liewe hear). Now, whatever might be his opiulues upon this questieskl be felt that they were bound at least to .go into a Cumulittee the Bill ; and it upon inquiry they wand that sufficient sesuldre were mint provided, then their lemdthips would no at Shear ikjeet is aliegetiter.—(Hex, hear). lie had always looked epee thin as a Bill intended to make an alteration in the t0w.....0e aressore to-injure the. Constitution. He bad hitherto oppord the question of Catholic Emancipation, . because be conssdoced it tamoslled, for, and fraught with. clangorous coaurqueness, the extent of which it was. impossible to. foresee. The latter part of the opinion be still entertained, hut be now felt that the question lay Petricca digtairs and speculative dangers , not wpm sod peewit+, ones. Between thew it was that their Lie riffs (Alpo bad pow to balance, anti.come to a decision. But what, he asked, bright diem into their present situation? Why >awe they placed in this dilemma? He maintained that the first step towards i thrall ante fronktlitteppolutssent of a Desalt:nue knows t0.1111.J favourabli to the present meseures to the office of Secretary for He . iiiii - iliOta - fiTaitie to the Irish linilliolder s and landau gentry, who sacrificed their agates. toTqlectioneering Formren, and thus surrendered their power to - the Rieman 'Catholici - (-Hear. bear). But their Lordships must otne: we. that there. were others, and be himself was une of the number ' .to whteot no inconsiderable blame attached, he meant every Ol'emberth Lord Liverpool's Government for the last tea years. The ma sterwas the appointment of an Attorney Orient, known Isiritter. tato opinions equally stenos. it not stronger, than thsoe oldie [gala Secretary. upon the saute. question. This appointment "lads be bad to attribute to the advice of the N •bk and Learned Larei 9 4 .4 the mom b. ncb: The crisis at leugth did dime cud what was th e' stittangoetter ? Mr. Canning w.l li ..... appll4Sfrd t he head of thy Go- . vernment and what was the consequ, ace ut that apio:loinielit ? Math iraii:nni soil England were rvguetil ttauseb agruation_that he perfectly agtee,d with the Nubk Duke in thioking that we must at leugi beagle the questitm. florists sabl so mica, be must thews.. upon their Lordships (or a few momenta longer: If remrohireti • story in ilaasensura conversatifts het wren the Evil Spirit anti L'haruii—la which the former tells . the latter that he mint get a larger boat, for no 'witty souls would be coming over, in cOn• sequence td religious disputes upon earth,- it .would be -impos sible to con-ey them in his present barge. The Evil One de scribed the earth to be deluded with blood upon refigleus queatione—father was opposed to Mu, brother to brother, landlbrd to tenant—in a word, that human nature was at war upon 'Mita' of religion—(icar, and laughter). He believed, if Seamus were alive now. he could not more .aecurately describe &existing at., of things. Father was now opposed to stn, brother to brothers landlord to tenant—even the fair sea took part in the litairel..... (Hear, bear, and laughter). Was there any one Lord who would' take upon his herculean gamblers the weight of conducting affairs in the present condition of the country? No man.bad a right to resist this question who was not prepared himself to meet the dangers and difficulties of administering the Government . No ma..—not even the must serious opponent of the measure—fondld tail to me that considerable present benefits sod advantages mug aria.: (mitt it. It would set a• rest the differences of parties. It would disarm Motility. and remove whatever was calculated to engender discord in public and animosities in titivate life—dbougb It -would take some time to unite the people in friendly association. Lord BIUNIOUTH observed that it did someinues happen /bat persona who changed their opiitions, and who were on satisfied with themselves under that change, would sometimes endeavour to . inculpate others. Ile must any that he never beard with so much entombment any thine from any person in prirate or public lifar,. like what be had beard iron the Noble Lord who bad jll4 NA. down. Eight years had elapsed since the appointment of the Geo. tlemen he bad alluded to as Secretary of Ireland. lie bad a great 'respect for that Gentleman, and he was sorry to have it eatiarted Iron biro, that the appointment had been given to hint up account of tamely digress. 'lug was known to many Members or the House, -tad to the Sovereign. What the Noble Lid had /aid with re.p.ct to the influence of the Catholic priesthood on the great toady of the people in Intlaij was too true—but was the present ihil*Fel euktoei IQ olliniugh that evil? It was mthitained by the Wends of the measure that something must he dune respecting_ ledge& Ell did it hallow that that most be done winch hie hl .yesty'i Ministers have glow nosisimentled ? The real evils oh Ireland were poverty, ignorance, and, bigotry.—The emancipation of wh;ch the Iriak pi uple stood in need was emancipation from potent,. leneranee,. and bigotry. lhe state in whi c h t h e p eo pl e sit I re l an d were , mo t he tear d, the cause that they were the ready toot. of rebellion to just authority. 'The first duty of the Legislature was to endeavour to improve that state. What was especially wanted in Ireland was. the appointment of some respoustble 'albeit in ever y F twag y, 'intik tai the English Lord Li uteuant, who sboti . id have 'corns' id "v.' the Alagioracy, and report on their proceeding's to sulks for iiiiwef.' With the advantages rsauitiog bum such a soperitgairiesace to this. country their Lordships were well awaree-anel there could be lo t doubt that, if the system were adopted in Ireland it would' i.e at tended with mill rester benefits. . - The Earl of W IiSTMORELA NO, in explanation, expressed his sincere regret th. t his Noble Freud had taken any word which WI front bias as peranual.to latowielf. - - • The Earl of LI VERPOOL said, that although he concurred with his late Noble Relative in opposing-the thous of the Catholics, he cocain!) , hal never been of opiate's- theft the. mischiefs and dangers likely to result from their admialles to IA equality of deli eights, were so great as some of the opponents of Einaneipatioo coosidered them to be. He was now convinced that the adoption ot the plea. tat measure. although it might not immediately trait- quillize Leland, and pendant an amelioration of its state, would tend to the production of those benefits ; as. after its adoption, other means might w ould be rot to.. which be fraught with the greases' good to that countiy. It was his opinion, notwithstanding what Mao tallen from several Prelates of distinguished intelligence and kerning, that the Protestant F.stablisbment in Ireland was in greater danger, in its present resides, than it weuldbe in as the basis upon whack it would be placed by the Bill wider their Lord ships' consideration. As to the Protestant Estaldishment in Eng land. it stood too high. it was guarded toe powerfully, to allow hint to Intl the slightestapprellensioo respecting it. Loud "I'LNTERDEN sett+, that-Ibis objection to this measure was, that io his opinion the adoption of it would be to take the brold and direct road to the overthrow of the Protestant Church. It might be said, that in other countries difereot reli gious went on uno.thly and-amicably together ; but was there any other country, either in Ettrope to-elsewhere, that bore any re sentbiance.to Ireland in that respect ? In Inland there was as SW , know/la-died Popish hierarchy asoiming the names of the Protestant hierarchy established by law. Without alluding to its-Popish cha racter, was it reasonable to suppose that any hierarchy, under such circumstances, would be content to see their dignities and emolu meets . enjoyed by those whose ancestors had deprived them of those dignities and emoluments? Was it not possible, looking at the ordinary constitution of the bonsai' mind, but that there most tong in sock persons an earnest and onziousdepire to obtain a restitution of the advantages of which they had been deptirel 7 to The accontplishment of thatolegre would be assisted by the pre sent measure, which would give strength to those engaged in such a struggle, by giving them political power; by political power be me .et power increased by legitimate means, and not the power of piiy,Mal force and number% which had been all eloquently described by a Noble Lord. Such were briefly the reasons which would in duce him to vote sgairot the measure proposed to their Lordships by his Majesty's Government. If • he were confident that trait. quWity would •be the happy result of the proposed measure, be owned that he would binned be di-posed to support the question. But he anticipated no such result • and apprehended that it would only give increased power tattoo': who were disposed to exercise it • .for es god purpows. Earn GREY expressed regret at differing from ter. Noble and Learned Lord. Unlearned mile was, he would yenta% against the judgment of the Noble and Leaned Lord, to car the views he had taken upon the subject. Ile Noble Lord, after 'having gone through an historical tale of the Oaths of Supmmaeg and Allegiance downwards, tram the nose of Queen klistbeth, in the 11111 of Rights, sod also in the 11.11 of Union, came to this coo. elusion, that the power of Paffiament can abrogate these Acts -... The Noble Earl then replied to the arguments of :he Noble mid Learned Lord, and contended. that the foreseer before the Home would have the effect if strengthening tlie. Church. The N anvil Leagued Lord talkedusoch of the d over of Kaman Cater being .admitted into Aces of the State. He thought these antique* notions had long ago been exploded. The late Lotd Liverpool Well his opposition oaths Homan f.atholloCiaims. never imputed to them disloyalty.. Could there be any better security than the security of the eadapreposed fee the Roman Cat holicatts take / AU brew tin • regard the CothoMes•enterteitsfor she Mitigation of an oath, It • because they would not take the Testing Oath that•they were dif &Walkers various cliern. . Ceitid it, then breald that they srogill -Dot to be trusted / : Is chasing of emen Falizthethoo widebillis ilea had so (thee hsen•mede In the course of the debate, it dime& be recollected that the Catholics weeetrested and appoinlittobleis - tares. Who was it that destroyed the Bpaatah Armada P Who wao the Admind•that cenunanded the thretauf Halstead thin ?• It / was* Catholic. • Lord Howard of lilinghans. whom mane • adorned a oeighbourirto sdilleed Pethapseb would Ate said, might have obtaireed a Weenie. from the NU , to•bght the isattletof Sovereies 'who bad - bean nootonsiosicated by the pee of Ron*, which ftwerhadabeened bambini" Crow their allegiance: ft 11, however, metakatima Homan Catholics mice appointed by a-IWe tenant Queen tit itippssr the most powerful fa donor direordesaiesi . this country • and *storm, anise under she besotted Popery. The Noble Lel then took, a view of the 'opine's, getserstireb. - forced against the Bill. and asked, what are the evils we antics from this measure? It would have the elect of Introducing five or di Peers into this Holm*. and a number of Members not large would be ret urstedgatbe other Holism Catholics Uvula:be brava'. "lignite to civil of with few ezoeptiosts.-. What Went, to le-thej consequence? It It theeCarined that 1111 at onee•the Kiang is to bpi influenced by some Catholic charm—some flohenielte spell, which Would work on his mind Cositaele of convei g o o. and that be into , -abidatios the principlesof the Howe of Deerrewick. It is also atrial that Ike people who had heron alarmed at the •vitity proven. of this law will become.'" en moored of the Catholic faith. that tioin i oppedtion to it will cease. To believe this, my Lords, will be elm% to a bellefeven in treasubstantlaties. f. H itsele proceedidio erste, , that sill s nweeerel be (harrow an firth* Lordships! considerate% i vele adopted, it would be impassible to tranquillise Ireland. What either House of. Perlianient—and against the aJvice of the greate%t Generals whit haireadOrried unr arms—we have dune all this. anal we can console ourselves with the thought that we h i ve &roe our duty— ; " Fiatiustitia, resat cesium." Atari Ewa animated eulogiuni on the cineduct of the Minister in sing the present line or policy instead of nalting the horrors .4 4 " tit *lt; 1 1 414044 0 filid , " l leceive with, uitqoaltidd cation. the ,nrefritire which the Noble Duke ha. imposed. and I OA tit Unisten staling conviLtion, that the cuuntry will feel t arils that Noble finiivislual the sante gratitude tor this hems of peace which they C..,1t.•+ to have received at his hands as the • set war , and be as Uttl churlish to admit the oue as they have been prodigal its testilying to the other. Lord REDESDA rose—hut gave way to the.very general' calls fur 1 .Lord ELDON, who began by saying that he consies ivied - this she most senpostant subject that had ewes can.. under r•eir Lordships consi.leration, and Ca tee sted indulgence while Ee . attenivtiol to justify t to line cif policy vs hich hr hal hitherto pursued with Tweet to it. lie ilicrukt feel willing to relieve the* L- rdships from the-fatigue of a pinioned discisssi n, bUt still telt it due to himself to drain them lunges than but for the allosiosis that had been person illy made tes him he would otherwise be dispoaed , to do. lie must begin by selling his Noble Friend (Eirl they.) who spike of him as the leader of the opposition to this Bill, that he had no intention of sustaining the character of a leader.of any party in the House; and that it would be very much to 'hie satisfaction if he could avoid en:eking same observations which could hardly be called personal, though they related individually to some sou his Majesty's .Ministera. He be)ieved in his conscience, that the Noble peke made this proposition, because he felt it to be his duty to the country; and most assuredly that the Noble Duke should make such proposition at some time or other, would have been no matter of surprise to him; but it was a matter of sur prise, and of nom sus prise too, at the moment at which it was made. But he enust_say, that its_ it applied to the Noble Doke himself and the ether Moisten, he bad 'so-doubt that this Bill was introduced as a matter of d , ty n their part towards the it unity ; and they asigbt nave judged it sissies, the zie.uxisrances,even to make it a mallet of surmise.. Susie on' to ago,. a N able Lord embarked that it Mas the duty of a Aisne Mini.tet not to datcover what isseissuies' he was going to pursue, until he had obtained the approbation cif his Sovereign so.the proposition be was going to make. Out as in this instance it happened to be sevealed by rue mistake, the public sett taught to believe that • no such proposition would ciime horn that quarter. lit (Lord Eolnis) insisted, thesetoie, that the reopk o -this irouestry had been taken by surpri.e web this nise.ssure. - ohith they co-.ceived. and justly, affected shear *vest inteve-ts in_ this world. and their best • props-toy ; for Lord Somers, when speaking of the Estirtlished- Church as the -proper', of the people, re tit:liked, Mat "it is V.e best pto r eity we cars 'leave as .ass inheritance to those wholseill cisme atter ts-.' When this question was discussed in this Huse lass Session, the Noble Duke stated, in reference to !Hyland, that that con - tryWks 4, in such a state if agitation; that the ques tion should fora time be consigned to oblivion. It happened afterwards by a whisper. for he would call tt nothing else, that the letter of the Noble Duke to a Ro man Catholic Prelate was the means of giving some in formation to the world, as it was then considered. This took place in lk. ember last, and that letter stated that it was not the Noble Duke's intention at that time to bring forward any n.easure of this kind, and that Le land must cease to be in i time of agitation before be could do so. Now the ; üblication of this letter was, be must say, towards the people of this country, a great tnisfottene; for it led them to sink into a state of apathy gene' aced by the persuasion that no measures would ne brought forward, at any rate this Session—(Cheers). This was the case also in consequence of what passed in tither places, shered3C Right Honourable Gentleman (the Secretary of Stasi for the Home Department) was visiting last summer ; and when h m taloned his mess, let him not be understood to ireak of him tinder any infuenceof irritation whateyei. .!k would solemnly declare that if there were any. unfavourable impression on the mind of that Right Honourable tieistleman in. wards him, or if be thought that the old masins, " idea, wile, idea, was not the foundation of all true friendship both in public and private life, lie suf feied the most excruciating pang I e bad ever enclosed when lie found that he differed from him on thi. Rues. tion. During the last 15 years, he had most effective sup pent ice the concurrence of his opinions with those of the Right llon.Gent. He did n t doubt that it bad happened 'Tom his feelings of di ty that he thought himself bound to change his opinions and act oa ano.her system ; and vili•le he stated that with respect to him, he hoped he would admit with respect to him (L or d Eldon), that is he had not changed his opinions, it was because he thought his duty to his King, to his fellow-subjects, and to his country, 'ego:red that he should not do so. The Noble Duke, in stati g the grounds on which he brought forward this measuie, alluded to the evils of a divided Cabinet, •and stated that that circumstance produced al difficu ty in catrying the administration of the law into due effect. He tru.ted the Noble Duke would allow him to state his opinion as to the reasou why the administte tion of thilaw was defeated. He was scr sy that he did not see in his place the late Lord P, ivy Seal (the Earl of Westmoreland), who arraigned him at the bar of the 'House for his conduct doting thelast ten years, and stated hat he t 'ought that a person in the situation be (Lord Eldon) is eta had the honour to 611, acted contrary to his duty in suffering further offences to be committed against the Kipg's Government with impunity ; and be complained that *prosectstioni were not aimed against individual* who were bolding seditious meetings, and using language that was cootraty . to law, and dealing in slander and obloquy ag ai nst t h e most l oya l and re-, spectable individuals armed in support of the Consti :l Onion. As to the Act passed four years ago to put down the Catholic Association, be must say that it was never his opinion that that,Act, unless its operation were ac companied by putting into eatscotionthe common law of the land, would be sufficieet of, itself to accomplish the surpass for which it *as passed. About three years 'go be had the . honour to stat e , re b at he noted now, s itiathe thought it remarkable, that !under such circupi stances as. then altcrsted the State of, lieland, Abe wal l:kn law was not y tn . in , force. bad never besrd vb. circumstenies.plevepted that from being done, nor di. a h sn e lis k t o t o en n abe ; iin b i : v c ! i d u a se iwewia t gesi b eci e diliesteect c e om ei A lon et. ifwi l r a omr w 9is o 4sth f ht l de t .b,t e co l o a imS s tr d mi t m oiliathe ig olg h atht t wth b c state of parties so of jurors and magistrates, that therweie not willing ts put the laws into execittion..lt might be, also, that the law 01 ficcT 1 tbe.Ct9wu had goq..shooetit.iivorinalios fiow to act; or it might IX, that they mere not able. t• et.sietficient , eeidence:•itk .coAisetinenue of.ittig state r political feeling in that country. It might also be— , was, but I.c could not-yenta,/ to ' the law officers of the Clown 140,4 i i different situation from the law r.(fi celo En land: in beans' they expected it* the King's Minioters in this country, b et 3I England to k on themselves, in the ___... s grottheir .cluty;lo'institate.ptdsteutionrwb eeo they s Ao• II igrant offences spriest his isi.je;ty'sGoteis. meta. Ile begged it to be blue, wed that he wa r ore diseased to make.aity_obsexentioo.whieb might last his received with pet leccauilaction by every body who teatil, him:. bet. harries had-some rept/time i s li prolessional Atuetipe * he .thought hiuoelf 'sod"' ; to •tae,,his ,'opiolons on , knell, a subject as t hi s 10 7 peeially when k int necessary to his. own defence: ;Ile bad Le trd a prOposition state) last night in a re Inoue by the N .ble and .Learned .Lend on A s W o w. .-ack„that if a as a nrattee.at duty in any person obo es 4 member a s - decided' Cabinet to withdraw hem it: If float Vil Ft a proper sense of deny, then Ite'had erred, gm aired greatly; tor he (Lord Ellthofight he had cote* hinise.f with authority enough bysthe iudibples of dreg mound him. • He ceotainly did not feel it his dirty gi /cite (runs the Cabinet because .it was divided ea WI question. unless he had seen an opportunity:to fovea, undivided Cabinet in •support of the Protestant cams: and bethought the Noble and Learned Lord MI OS , Woulsack. it be had infant to SIAM that it was the duty. of a Minister not to remain in a divided Cabiuet, "mit have reflected on the good luck that attended h i s !wham be went with the Cabinet of the Duke of We. lington up toe certain period, and before that with do Cabinet of Lord Goderich. and .before that with deo of Mr. Cannin;. That Noble and Lesrned Lord stated to their Lordship; that he had said he sheuld not address him any more as his Noble Friend; but be did not adsk that he had said so because be had charged him wish making insinuation; end with.a designed mystification of the merits of .the union with Scotland, which he did in a manner of expression which he felt to I- ire:nem* disrespectful. If the Noble and Learned Lord aud i t make up the difference between his present language ea this question and the high words be bad used in the • House of Commons, be would find him as ready i s forget all that had passed. He meant when Mr. Cosa. r int offered. in a few words, to make up a dispute that bad taken place io another House. and when that ne gotiation failed, completed another by putting a cattle Treaty under the Great Seal. He felt while making these females that there was a sort of indecorum in a diopute cf this nature between 4 Chancellor and an ExsChanceller, and that it would be better to settle it without further controversy. But be aunt remark on what the Noble and Learned Lord said, when he got up last night to prove his own consistency. How did he endeavour to II make it out ? ~ 'laboured attempt to prove his (Lord Eldon's) inc nsiurncy. He took facts to show his is. consistency as a proof of his own consistency; and ha only proved, cunttnued the Noble Lars+, " that I was consistent, when the facts shall be uropeily examined on this question. I have lead the speech if the Ls torney-Genetal. I do not mean the speech of the late Attorney Genoa), who, I must say, is one of the most learned. must honest, and what is far better, the most independent man in the profession to which I have the honour to belong—(bear, hear), but of the attorney General who preceded him. I have also read the •peech made by the Noble and Learned Lord ea the Woolsick, only so lately as io June last. Now I ask him whether lie will not be reproached for his is. consistency, unless be can account for any difference of his conduct yesterday and in June last, and when be spoke as Attorney General in the House of Commons the-year before? If I say that the Constitution was iaesJed when the Test and Corporation Acts were passeJ, that very doctrine I learned from the Noble and Learned Lard in those speeches: and if I think these can be no security in concession, the able and satisfactory reasons I can urge are derived from those speeches of the Noble and Learned Lord. I am now approaching that period of life to which no man can look [wood without some feeling of grief and sorrow; four Kars pears will soon to completed by me. and at that stage of human existence there is indisputable aloha ,Icy for expecting nought but sickness and sorrow; but this .1 ;will .say. that I truss; such at least has 'been my conduct, that I may listen without self. septoach to all that can be said affecting my character. .1 caunot, hie wore', bliss myself to that der ee of apathy which would enable me to hear wit accusers without pain. The imputations throats out against me I will not repeat : I will not expose myself to the agony I should feel were Ito repeat them. lam confident that 1 d i net deserve them, aid speaking in the presence of Peers and men of honour, they will give me credit for not deserving them"—(Heat, hear). But proceeding to the matter more immediately before the House, , he should :err first to the Irish Act of 1791: with that Act he had officially nothing to do. It was introduced into the House of Comftons while h e was a Member of it, by a Noble Lord at the teble (Itedesdale); and it bad that sort of support from hies• certainly, which was due to his Noble Friend, with whom he had lived for somewhat more than half a century on terms of regard, confidence, and affection. What was that Act ? It was to relieve Roman Catholics from the penal statutes; and here be must take the liberty if asserting that there was not that man breathing who could justly charge him with a disinclination to relieve them hom the penal statutes. In many instances, sad to a most unjust degree, they were auxiliary of the pet lacy of the Settlement of 1658. Then came the Agri 1795, and what was that ? It was likewise a Bill d ' Relief; and no man had ever supposed or argued that ths penal statutes were to be perpetual. Thls was followed by the panne 1794—the Scotch Act—and an intimatim • had been given that be was concerned in that law. de bad the honour of attending at their Lordships' bar, larl almost every Scotch cause from an early rend; sag , bad found that be knew so little of the law of fiesitheC without Intense application, that he was obliged to leave the Bill to the Lord Advocate. and to the tatter of the• Noble Viscount opposite.. They bad then a very Ai' Lord-Advocate, who was a very pod Scotch Hwy': - and in the execution of his official duties be bad the' • assistance of the. late Lord Melville. He had donot I fore 'tittle or no concern in that Bill; but be VA ready to admit that he gave it his assent. He did nit interfere; from a thorough conviction that it Was is better bands. and that be should only embarrass 10? • Isis advice.- He was nut surprised that the Noble Led • 'pen the Woolsatk should imagine that be did at. ere, because he was so much better a Scotch lan° hat he would not have failed to give his advice db sear' . If occasion.. Ile now arrived at the time when ke bat.' he honour to have the Great Seal entrusted to bias' fhe great object of his professional life had been to be ;Pet:Justice ct the Common Pleas; and when his lets tearable:lnd teemed Sovereign had called him PO' me.ediat,ly to Iris-peeweee and service, he .it 07 eat be did nut obey that call without some lalatiall“, n the year 1804 be took upon himself the duties of 1 0° r4 ' :Itancellor. and in the diScharge of them remained lo 7 .7 eats, and duting.drat period few men had been espy o more übluquy. 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