Star. — London, England, 1820-10-13 00:00:00

1/. Ih r b "N • • % P. •,‘ t. . momentsAe beaht the Villa until she left the place. I known tbeerobm., s Tits Luit astnasen by trade. I employed him at kW/ lilac' two Mt& gyres wages Or day. I do not know Mimi.— I 4 111 , 1, -_ Mr I heard a person of the name of Ragaszoni worked as a Perhaps 1 may know him by sight. Ido not know Pao= ' gassonL I remember the Grotto at the Villa d'Este. I re member there being two statues there of Adam and Eve. They 4 were placed in the Grotto, in the first rotunda, or octagon. There were also two other rotundas. There was not the least alteration made in any of the rooms where the sta tues stood. There was nothing done to the cornice of the ro tunda or octagonal room in which they stood. There was a cornice made in one of the other octagonal rooms. Ask him to describe the room in which the statues were ? Witness asked for some paper, and made a drawing of the grotto and the rooms where the statues were placed, and the room where the cornice was repaired, with the passage. Could a person working at the corner of the room possibly see the statues in the ether room, in which they were placed? —They could not. Why P—Because, the passage of communication is crooked, which prevents the sight. Did the statues of Adam and Eve ever stand in any other room in that grotto, except the one be has described?—lbey did not. Was a cornice made to any other room la the grotto except the one he has mentioned?—lt has been dads in the highest rotunda, as I have marked in that paper. Has it been made in any other latent—lt was made in two rooms, in a square room, and the one I have marked. Could you see statues from any of these rooms, where the cornice was made 7-1 want a better explanation. Question pat again ?--Answer. No. When were the statues removed from that grotto ?—ilefore the return of her Royal Highness. Return from where ?—Her return from her journey in Turkey: Te what room were these statues removed -Into one of the Mosaic rooms which were hulk in the palace. Were these rooms finished before the return of the Princess? —They were. The workmen were also rensev4d • they had all left these rooms. The scaffolding was all retnev‘d from the Mosaic rooms about eight or ten days before the Princess's return. The rooms were then fit for the reception of her Royal Highness. The Mosaic room, where the statues were, was square. The next room to that was a small oblong cabinet. The room be yond the cabinet was an octagonal, or round roam s with co lumns. A person at work in that octagonal room add noel see the statues; because they were by the side of the spaskag. I was in the service of the Princess from the day she bee& do Villa till the day she left the country. I was born at Villa dßate. •The statues were in the grotto, in the first Octagon. I will not say it was the longest room, because the square rooms are some what greater than the others. There were six rooms in the grotto; comprising, round rooms and the square ones. The floor of one part of the grotto, above the other, was 10 or 11 steps. The dia. rent rooms of this grotto, were not applied to any purpose of seeing the subterraneous place. Of the rooms I have described, the se cond had a small statue of a woman weeping on a tomb. After the steps, two rooms communicated with each other. Artemisia was in the second. In the rotunda were the two statues. There was a Gothic room on the same floor. On the right is the rotunda, and on the second level was another rotunda where the cornice wal made. After the rotunda were two square rooms. AB those passages were open ; there were no doors in any pert, but at the beginning and end there were two iron gratings or pew A person could see through those gratings, they were large. They shut up at the entrance and exit. They were attached to the wall. They were one piece, and shut against the opposite wall. There were pillars in the second room after, the rotunda; small columns. (Witness looked at the plan.)—l cannot call the plan meet, because there is not measure or proportion. lam ten or eleven days in England. I came direct from Villa d'Este. I saw se veral persons of Government taking designs and plans, but of this I don't know. I saw an architect, named Halle taking plans for her Royal Highness. Ido not know the exact epoch. It is about three or four months from this time. Tbie architect Rani lives at Milan. I came with witnesses here. Fourteen witnesses—(4 bus in ass Housc).—l did net conduct the wit nesses here. The will of the witnesses came—they came by their own wish. Did they all pay their own 'expenses ?—The expensts were not paid by them, but by order of the Chevalier Vusali. They came of their own will. I paid for the witnesses. Did you apply to any ;moons to be witnesses for the Queen before you came ?—No one. Not to a single person ?—To no person. When did you set out to come here?—On the 10th of Sep umber the last time. Were you examined before you came?-.-Yes. Where ?—At billan. by whom?—The Advocate Covaui ' and an Englishman Salted Henry. I told what was true to the Advocate. Did you answer the same questions ?—I was not asked so many questions. I told all I was asked, as I have to-day. What was it you were not interrogated about by the Ade.- este at Milan?-Many questions put here I was not asked by him. I did not endeavour to get information of witnesses before that. What sum of money did you receive for coming here ?—. fifty Napoleons, of twenty francs each, for the expenses of all the witnesses; for ail the fatigue I have not received anything for myself. I asked fur nothing, but if her Royal Bigamies would give me any thing, I'd receive it !—(.4 lank). I received no promise of any money from Vusali, Bergami, or any other. Will you swear you expect nothing?—What I said before; if they make me a present, I'll take 0-.441 heck). Ido not claim anything. That is no answer. Do you not expect any money : will you swear you du not ?—I repeat, I am come to tell the truth, with out hope of receiving any money. Do you not expect any money?--I swear that Ide not pre tend to claim money, but if they give it, I will not refuse it— (Laughing). Will you swear you da not expect money?—No, I have no expectation. one of the Lords.—Have you any hopes?—(Order, ardor.) Witness continued.-I had money from Vaasa for my expenses. Examined by their Lordships. Earl GROSVENOR requested the sketch of the rooms drawn by witness, and then asked whether there were any other columns than those he had described ?—Yes, there was one be. tween the two windows in the third room. Was there any pillar in the grotto from which it was postale to see the figures of Adam and Eve ?—There was . Was there any pilaster?—There was a pilaster before the asse s with a column before it, from which a person might see the statues. Earl GROSVENOR wished the witness to mark tbe plies of that plaster on the plan? The witness said—" I have not said that the figures could be seen there ; but that before the door there was a pilaster, and be fore that pilaster a pillar." Mr. Dramas said that the witness was misunderstood. The Interpreter had inverted the order of the answer. Several of their Lordships were of the satne opinion. The Interpreter then wrote dawn the question and answer, literally iu the order in which they had been delivered. On their being read, _The Witness.—That is right ; but as I did not understand well the question, I asked if it was to see the statues of Adam and Eve? When I said that there was a pilaster and a column be. fore it, I did not mean to say the statues could be seen from it. By the Earl of BLESSINGTON.—Had the statues any fig-leaves?—( 4 laugh) —Yes, vine•leaves. Were they suspended on a wire?—Yes, ens brass wire. Was the wire fixture moveable? The LORD CHANCELLOR.—The Noble Earl cannot mean, whether the !rename was neweabk, but whether the vine leaves moved on the ware?—They did. Guessers Gamma nada*, endeannieed by Mr. WILLIAM 1 come from Milan. lam a master mason. I was employed by the Princess et Wales at the Villa d'Eate. I know a person of the name of Raggasoni. Ile was a daily workman. I let out a piece of work to Raggasoni and seven or eight companions. I know the grotto at the Villa d'Este. I recollect work done they worked by_che day. I remember at that grotto. There a cornice being done in that grotto. There were two statism In a room in the grotto. There was no work at all done • in that room. There was a cornice made hs a rotunda room, and another room which I built myself. There was seat folding up to reach the ceiling. There was no scateldiag in my ether rooms, except the octagonal and the squire roses. These rooms joined. The octagonal room was nearest the statues. ••C ou ld any peruse, from the roam where the scaffold was pet u p s see else statues us the other room?--Ne,aot by my.ipc , unless . part of HasteWs evidence to referred was pointed eel. Mr. Wm.'s= said he wanted to prove that Rasta& made a tender of money to the witness, or an opinion to ma/agpi to induce him to come over to give evidence against the (Inesm.' The manner in which witnesses had been Induced to some wedri for this preens .% was a material - fact for the Hoene to Mom /Usual said that be bad been sent by the Milan Oemeddien to procure evidence; and that he bad told a witness be mast go to Milan, because Government wanted him; and be ao knowledged bimseif that be had induced Credo to go to Mee. The strict analogy of Courts el Law meld net is this case obtain. The LORD CHANCELLOR wished to call the attention of their Lordship., to a passage in Rastelffs evidence, where be stated, the& be had not offered mow. And lie thought a wit ness might be examined, to contradict that assertion. The point might, Isewever, to morrow, be argued by the Cowes& Adjourned at fear o'clock. THE EVENING STAR. LONDON. FRIDAY, OCTOBER 13, 1820. THE, FUND& A fluctuation of the Three per Cents. has taken place during the present Account, Consols having been dope at esi, and 651. Notwithstanding this great difference, no defaulter was declared up to twelve o'clock. Very little business has been dew this morning, the time being occupied in making up difference. It turns out a Boer Account, the prinapal part of which has been bought in. Cmssois are 671 Money; and 671; for,Noventber. —Prices this day at one o'clock. S per Cent. Reduced 66/ ex. die.-3 per Cent. Cons. 67* *1 31 per Cent. 751 ex. div.-4 per Cent. &se 641 ex. div. 5 per Cent. Navy 1031 1 I—Long Ammides 171 7-16 e:-di►. InTerhg 3 per Cent. 641--India Bonds 435. 23e. pro. South Sea Stock 741—liods. 888 as. ss. pre. Commercial 3s. pre.—Coos. for Nov. 417iiii The Private Letters frost Lisboa this morning, of the !Ist ultimo, state, that so badness is transacting there, owing to the great rejoicings, illuminations, and public ors. The Go vernment Parr, which was at 11► per cent. dimwit, is new at $7 per cent. discount. Everything was, however, quiet.— Marshal Dzassroas had not arrived what the letters W. laxity; to oot Rear .had * dhoti when you bad stat skew, and mother rultiseadi wider the teat wheel) her AGO Highness was, on the voyage from Ma to Syracuse sad Caps* Loan; recollecting this, I ask you whether you lama to penman ha mewing that you had never seen anyddag tra mper Whir loyal Highness's estadnet?..—.4 speak for mpg : I had so roam clan orgy to a seat at her Agal Riginales Sable dm ow ate f the prows you lease osouroi. I hays sem peg* sitting at the WI f her &sot "4km.s when their fathers wevia mgt and (lasseviag, as I des, her Royal Highness's new aerie' booting el who are around her), Ido "% gat I mew sew amatim is her centime* IRMA avoid justify ate is .finweis‘ on *beim wild her Royal Highmeses haws? wed &wader I" I duke to know whet/ter Ton consider a casanesn courier and a lieutenant in Ids Majesty's Navy equally (added to sit dews at table with her Royal Highseese?—/ wonkier that sy pawn sitting doom et her Royal ffighisetis take, IN her Rigel Irtglimais oanoewed, wash( =Aeries spawn 1/ mach higher was& Awe s Lessened* he the 11Amp to sit elms dem oft kin.* It bas been asked--not by Lords of course—whether any man would like to see his wife in the situation of the Princest of WALES, on board the polacre. We believe, in our consciences, that there are but few men upon earth, who, having ample means at their disposal, would abandon and expose a wife to travel in foreign climes without a brother, or cousin, or even a sister or single female relation ; and still fewer who would attempt to fix guilt upon such as were hired to give that protection which nearer relatives should have provided, merely because it was a fact, or suspected It► be a fact, that such hirelings and their Mistress were placed in circumstances which prevented either from aidressiag and taking regular rest, during a voyage of six weeks, and compelled them to recline on sofas, without bed-clothes, under a tent, having an open communication, night and day, with the parts of the vessel below. Every circumstance that has been brought forward to fix crime upon the Qum; only places her cha racter in a more amiable point of view, and serves to cover her accusers with confusion. The Adam and Eve story received such a complete exposure by the examinations of yesterday, as to leave them not even rt fitkaf to cover their own shame. And what came of the story detailed by Pietro Cuchi, on the part of the prosecution, who swore that the Quaint was at Trieste- for six days, and that he had seen &missal come out of her Royal Highness's room three or four mornings ?—lt ap pears from Lieutenant HOWNAIef evidence, that the QUEEN was at Trieste only for one night, and that on that night she went to the Opera. Respecting this fact he could not be mistaken, for he had written a letter at the time, which was then in his pocket, and had the Vienna post mark on it !!—Bot we must not now dwell longer on the evidence of yesterday. Our Readers have seen the part which we have taken in the Qualm's case. We have now to deplore the discovery of a circumstance so extraordinary that we want words to express our feelings on the occasion. We entreat the attention of every candid mind to the evidence that has been produced, to what has been called, the iaigxity of the priaseiple of the proceed*, and to the attempts that have been made to give a character of seeming fairness to what, in its own nature, was originally vicious.— We likewise call on them to be prepared, in their respective circles, to• upheld the ancient and vene rated system of British jurisprudence. What we ]lave now to state is, that it is quite true, as we stated yesterday, that it was determined, within this week, on the part of the persecutors of thelausisr, jo abandon the Bill. It is' also quite true, that this determination of a " lucid interval" has itself been abandoned. It is now assumed that the act of adultery has been proved by a the belief" that 81611 °Asa slept under the tent on the deck of the polacre, and that all evidence to other circumstances, that has been, or may be brought forward, will be of no avail. A very short period will explain our meaning more fully. The proceedings will aeon assume an aspect which every friend of the Monarchy and reigning dynasty will deplore ! THE TENTH DAY OF THE DEFENCE. HOUSE OF LORDS. The Howe reeenstiti their prowediap this ramie. at tea o'clock. Before Owned were called im, a denikery universalise, which produced a great deal of merriment. took pbme a their Lordships, respecting the opening of the windows. The Lord. on the floor of the Howse have always been very desirous to have the windows open, but as ellen as orders have been given to that effect by the Loan CIWICILLOII, and executed by the Men a the House, some of the Lords in the Galleries, en whose beads the open windows have poured in currents of air, nit so immediately agreeable, have closed them again. Lord LIVERPOOL no* recommended that the windows on ime side only should be open, and be thought k would be w g ii to open those on the Smith, to give their Lordshipik the benefit of the breeze from the Surrey hills. • The Bul DERBY.—. The Booth ! that's there r (paint tag to the lower end of the noose, where *ore are M whadowej —(Greet ismAter). The LORD CHANCELLOR—Let the way the Mod Mows shear be considered as the south !—(*sch btaglikri. It was so decreed, and the windows which Melt to theSur . . toy side were throws open. The Earl et LAUDERDALE rose to sewn that Legato. neat HoWnema should he dished to produce his diploma es a Kidok et the Order et es. After a conversation en this paint between the Noble Marl and the Leas Costecstaas, the adman, of which we could' act collect, Counsel were ailed . ISAMU Osoation, the intent hat seder esseslastias yestwdey,; ow recalled, sad esessioal by Mr. Wit.supts. Tom aid, yesterday, det you was employed as a haw a t dm Villa tate ?—Yes, as bead master. Were you paid as the work went eo, et was there a Nina aP 7—Before bet Royal Ingham sot out ea her long journey, 1 woo paid regularly every week. Alter her departure, we en.. Mired irate a contract for 75,900 Hire& I coationed the work Indic the direction of Raul, who was the areidtect, who made tee do several other things—more week. When I had done AO whole amounted to 145,500 livnes. Vibes this Nun of money was owing to lon by bot Royal laglaas, did you we Bartell 7—Yes. ' Do you remember deny mention was made by Raeti to you 'd that sum of mosey?—He asked me whether I had any credit avian her Royal Ilighoem, and I answered, that dedoeting the sums I had received, there remained due to ntli 45,500 liWes. Was there anything said about the man.er of ref befog relict 7—Tbere was..--State what k was? The King's Soucrros-Gzeuts.m. sabusitted to their Leiria* whether a conversation between Rasteill sad the witness Gook, be admitted as evidence. The LORD CHANCELLOR.—if, in the cessuesatkoe which the witness is now about to Kate, Raiment oared him money to come here to give evidence for the prosecution, k ii certainly relevant to that mem ; fee Rastalli, in his evident*, swore positively that he had made no such eat to any one. Sesactros-thortam..— But should not Rama have been questioned as to that conversation ? The LORD CHANCELLOR.—CertainIy, that has been the rule hitherto. The begged to impress on their Lordships the aukward situation in which a witness would he placed by the course of proceedings new meditated. If Rascal had been interrogated as to say convened= be had with the wit ness Gaodini, he might have been able to explain the dr• aunstances under which that conversation took place, so as to let their Lordships have the whole case before them. Nothing; could be more unfair or dangerous than the course sow attempted to be pursued. Pint, evidence is beard in support of the prem. cation ; it is then printed, and sent over to Italy ; enquiry is made there after individual; who may have had conversations with Masten, and they are brought here to swear to these eso versadoos, without ever Rancid being allowed an oppostuoity of giving his explanations of them. Mr. Wieumes.—lt is the evidence of a simple fact which I want, namely, whether Ratan did make any offer of moneys It is surely open to me to prove this? The LORD CHANCELLOR.—Ask the witness then, whether, in point of fact, Rested( offered any money ? Mr. Wiwins. — May I ask, whether Itastelli suggested any mode by which the witness 6 bill might be paid. The LORD CHANCELLOR.—No; ask him whether he knows of Rastelli offering himself, or any other person, money to come here as a witness for the prosecution. Mr. Wn.tiaals.--Do you recollect Haste offering you any Money, or any advantage ? Lord LAUDERDALE objected, that this question was not Is Ilse teem which the Noble and Learned Lord on the Wool sack had suggested. ape LORD CHANCELLOR.—Ask him only, whether Sasall tiered him any money, not advantage. • *Mr. Wu.uaass.--Did Basted( offer you any mooey?—He has said, that if my account had not been liquidated, be would have contrived to see me paid.. What did Matadi say the whines was to do ?—He told *se te gist say account is hivs, fire them stem Englishmen at Mae, and As amid see see paid. Did Itastelli say what you were to do in order to get youebill paid ?-11e told me, if 1 had anything to sag against the Pelt:mei Woks, for I had been long in her service, to tell it to Ids, and be would endeavour to make me be paid. At that time, or at any ether time, did you have my Anther conversation with Reetelli, es to what you were to dot The Swamis-Game& objected to the question. Mr. Was.uses, begged to call the attention of their Lordships to the fact that Rested' was an agent et the Milan Commis sion, but that he denied it, and said he was ealy a courier. It . would howeier be proved, that Rastelli had been employed in procuring evidence for this cause; and that he had even stated to this witness, that he had been an active agent, and had gives sums of mosey to witnesses, to induce them to cane and give evidence in this cause. The Learned Counsel contended, that the question be had put was admissible evidence. He then referred to the Minute% which prove that Rama bad collect ed witnesses in Italy. The LORD CHANCELLOR enquired if the wham un derstood English? Mr. War uassh—Not a word, my Lard. The Learned Counsel then proceeded to enforce his argument. He said, if it should be proved that • persons abroad hod been employed to procure evidence, was it not socassery and essential to the purposes of justice, that their Lordships should know how these witnesses bad been procured, and what advantages had been held out to induce them to command give their evidence? Here was a man who acknowledged to have been employed ino collecting evidence; and whether it was procured voluntarily, or by the promise of reward, was highly important to be kerma. It was Ong among the many disadvantages under which her Ma jesty laboured, that the had no antagonist against ber--the had only the shadow of an antagonist in the persons of the Attorney and Solicitor-General. But. than it then be said, that the agency shall not be proved, because there is no responsible source to which it can be traced? Mr. Baooonam followed on the sane side. He mid they had dready tendered evidence to disprove one part of mastoid's tentimeiry, which had been admitted by their Lordships. He (the Learned Counsel) now wished to refute another part of the same witness's evidence, and to prove this he bad been a meet active agent of the Milan Commieden. • Be admitted that be could not produce all the witnesses whom Rased' bad codes vowed thus to procure; but had they been aware that Rate* was to be called, or that, when he was called, he had been se =direly employed, the Counsel fee her Majesty would then have been prepared with witnesses to prove, that when be (Rattelli) said he was net an matt, be had given testimony which was false. The witness now at the bar could prove that Rastelli did offer him advantages, and did offer money to others to induce than to come and give evidence against the Queen. If even it were not Coutended that Raitelli-was a very active agent, yet in his eroesaxamisatisa he had almitted mom* He bad acknow ledged that he was employed by the Milan Cemmission—that he had induced Maurice Crude to go to Miles, and had told bins that his expenses would be paid. Rasteffi said he was only a courier; but it was not the duty of a courier to get witnesses And to offer them money, and that from the Advocate and the Commission at Milan. He Brougham) did net agree with Otis Learned Friend who had preceded him, that they were with ota'an antagonist, for beheld the Milan Commission no shadow, but a powerful antagonist; nor would he go so far as his Learned Erhart in boidlbg the Attorney and Sol eiter-General as mere shadows, for he was tare he bad not found than so. The Learned Caused concluded , by contending that the eagle= " offered to be tendered was perfectly admissible. - The timaemosta-Ganstaat. replied to these arguments of Mt Majesty's_Couneel, which be said were certainly at sulkiest to prove that the evidence should be admitted. They said they wished to effete Ramat, by proving that be was an spat; • brat Roma IS his eviallascn a had only said, that in his did/ • • 'means; beau* the postar k =Aliball* Vie Pam* 'boil I OWN. abilAnswen, and leavii Perla! dike manse of Ito. i s traT i ttLim bigkijkar kft Mao bakes dear tilei r own infi n i ce I Much time/Oen I boys sew Who. *ow I elk you, recollecdos Astro LW Ragman, at tliel.sime, mead= aortdesels to the whom m i ho w es w hi m w ith & go d, w h im r skiilMos dor die bingos 7 Tbe Imatai-Geincoes objected is the question, unless the " 14 sag -with Dm. "' " brnielmer ' sfrger ' I out of Hootelirs widow to which it referred wae_pointpl ow. Int* hither this &Mang bad 11 9 1 us THE QUEEN. Never was therein any Court such a lengthened cross examination as that of Mr. HowsAM, which was con chided yesterday, or so many heads employed to rack aman to the confession of truth, had there been any ground to doubt the facts stated in his examination in chief. Never—no, never did any witness, in any Court, on any cause, give a more practical illustra tion of the invincibility of truth—of the sound policy and wisdom of avoiding embellishing or putting even truth itself too forcibly from the conviction of a pure conscience that he is thereby serving the cause of Justice—an error which sanguine temperaments are apt to fall into, without any intention whatever of warping the truth, or hiding any part of it. Mr. HOWNAM'S straight forward manner of stating un _ _ _ varnished truth was, that, of all others, best calculated to defeat the object of those who had, or might ima gine they had, an interest in destroying his evidence, to serve the cause of innocence, and vindicate his own immaculate integrity. His has been and will be read with wonder and conviction by all the world—with won der, that the physical and moral powers of any man could have gone through it, without being pressed down by lissitude and tatigne--with conviction, be cause no man who ever lived on tie earth could, by any possibility, have maintained perfect consistemy throughout such an ordeal, had there been the slightest shade or-colouring of falsehood in any one part of his evidence. But this does not surprise us more than the correct notions his experience of the world has enabled him to form, respecting the fitness and propriety of human conduct. Had the framers of the Bill of Pains and Penalties profited as much by their reading or travels as this honest Lieute nant in the British Navy, they would never have presumed so much on the ignorance of the British Nation as to imagine they migght possibly succeed in persuading Parliament and the Public that it was ; criminal in the Quesx, when in foreign countries, to conform with foreign manners. Mark the fact.— The Quesc, by the machinations of her enemies, was left without society in England, that she might be forced to seek it abroad [for what else could be the object n; and, by the logic of the 4° Pau cad Pe nalties" contrivers, it is attempted to be now esta blished as a crime, that her MAJESTY Conformed with foreign manners when abroad—without ding which, she could there have had as little intercourse with society as she had when at home. In this view of the case, the Bill of Pains and Penalties against her MAJESTY becomes a Bill of Condemnation against all the World—excepting only the Aristocracy of England I Not only can no manners be correct but suck as are measured by this bed of Procrustes; but anything different is, forsooth, to be held as immoral and degrading. But let us not talk of immorality and degradation at the present moment—as the common sense of mankind will know on whom to fix them, so far as regards the present prosecution and tho 6 concerned in it, without seeking light and, information from the enactments of any anomalous cx post facto law. But let ns return to our British' Tar, and learn from him something respecting propriety, good manner{; and correct feelings.— We shall not Stop to point out the incorrectness of, pressing questions of mere opinion and belief on al witness before sworn to give true evidence as to matters of fact, and not as to his own private con victions; we shall not, we say, dwell on this impro priety, but satisfy ourselves with repeating here two