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above value. It is in conSemplationa:ar ace the financial measures which are j o meet the expenses of the war,' and t h o se new organiza tion of the tr '3urstß. *al held to-day at the Grand • IliMuties;itNvhich the heads of all the financial depart ments attended. Hussein Paella to-day received the Sultan at Calender, in the Channel. The Sultan then visited the fortresses in the Bosphorus, and went as far as Kila, beyond Begat. June 10.—It h said the Porte has received news, that the first columns of the reinforcements sent from Constantinople to Redschid Pacha, had arrived at La tissa on the t2d. PARIS, Jost 11. The Astosistrg Gaidte mentions, as a report which needs cn .firmatton, that the Emperor of Russia has written to the Allied Courts, that/ his troops would occupy Moldavia and,Wallachia, if the Turkish fleet should quit the Dardanelles. IMPERIAL .PARLIAMENT. HOUSE OP LORDS, Jams 13. Sir Attraimaa Guar. Sir GEORGE' Ross, and others, from the 'Common., brought up a Bill for the Naturalization of the Rev. Joseph Wolfe, and several Private Bills, which were severally read a Ant. time. Mr. Cures, from the Treasury, presented an Account of the National Dan, including the Austrian LOan. • The Earl of ELDON presented a Petition from a respectable ..iihstly of the Electors of Pearyn, praying their Lordships not to pass Me Bill into a Law for Disfranchidng that Boron/6; and praying Al be beard by Counsel, at their Lordships Bar, before passing Me awl BROWN LOW presented a Petition from tbettweers and :10eimpleraef Land of a ;pariah in Lincatnabire„prfying foe Prom dim seelbst the Importation of Foreign Wool. •SANDONMINT Off rua CORK DILL. ViSCOUOI GODERICEi said—l was asked, my Lords, in the course of last evening, to explain to your Lord ;ships the course the Government meant to pursue with re.pect to the Corn Bill. By one Noble Lord I was asked, if it was my intention again to propose to your Lordships, in any of the other stages of the Bill, to res cind the Amendment to which I found it my duty last night to object ; and I was asked, secondly, on what day I ' meant to propose the third reading of the Bill. At that time, my Lords, I did not feel myself at liberty to give positive answers to those queitions . ; but I now think it is my duty to do so, in order that your Lordships may be made aware as early as possible of the intentions of his Majesty's Government. After the decision which your Lordships came to on the second reading of the Amendment—when it is evidently out of the question that any alteration proposed by me could induce your Lordships to depart from your decision, I am under the necessity of considering that finally the Bill would be sanptioned by your Lordships with the Amendment. I have already felt it my duty to state to your Lordships the grounds on which I consider the clause not only obj -ctionable, as being fatal to the principle of the Bill, but also as likely to be unsuccessful in attaining the object for which it was proposed. As I could not di feat this Amendment, I do not think it possible that I can undertake to propose the third reading of the Bill.' It is impossible, indeed, that I should do so; and I shall not propose to proceed further with the Bill. The Earl of MALMESBURY—I wish, my Lords, to ;if' a few words, though not to express my regret at the resolution just announced. I am only anxious to say, that I am ready to meet my Noble es he well knows, in any rational view of amen.i!ing the ex isting Corn Laws. lam ready to adopt any me kite which sh .11 give protection to th.: agricultural interest, and be satisfactory to the country at large. Perhaps. as things cannot be left in their present state, the Act of 1822 might be called into operation. I lould be glad to see that clause removed which prevents the Act 'from coming into operation till the price rises to 80s. the quarter. We Nhould then see how that Act, worked, for it never has yet been in operation, and it might sa tisfy the Noble Lord's expectation'. Lord ELLENBOROUGEI recommended the sug ge:tion of the Noble Earl to the consideration of his Majesty's Ministers. The principles of the Bill of 1822 had never been tried. There was yet time, he thought, to bring in, during the present Session, a short Bill to catty the Act of 1822 into operation. He was only afraid that the Bill 0f.1822 was kept in its present state as a grievance, in order to fame Parliament to adopt a worse measure. Viscount GODERICH considered the Bill of 18221 was so opposed to the principles and acts of the King's Government, that he could not agree to the suggestion of the Noble Lords. . The Duke of WELLINGTON said, that the Order of .the Day for the third reading of the Bill on Friday was dot discharged, and he believed it would be open to any N ible Lord to move the third reading on that day. , Two or three Noble Loris now offered themselves to the House, hot the eall was loud for - ._ _ Earl GREY, who proceeded as follows:—I wish; my Lords, to explain the motives of my conduct with re spect to this Bill, and to state my opinion on the pre sent state of the question. It is, I understand, the No ble Lord's opinion, that the amendment so completely vitiates the principle of the Bill, and renders mis chievous, that he abandons the Bill; and he certainly is at liberty to adopt such a measure it he think it tight. I wish, however, to state, that I have not voted for the amendment in order to get rid of the Bill. I give my assent Lo the principle of the Bill, and I gave my vote for going into the Committee; and I hope it is unnecessary for me to say that 1 am sure your L^rdships will not believe that I should lend myself, or that the Noble Duke would lend him , self to the unworthy purpose of defeating that by indi rect means, which we had directly supported. I voted for the Amendment, my Lords, because I thought it a material improvemrnt of the Bill. I should have pre leired the Amendment proposed by my Noble Friend sitting at your Lord,hips' Table; but not being able to get that, I voted for the Amendment of the Noble Duke, which is a very greet improvement, for it tends to check abases and frauds in the bonding system, without materially affecting the principle of the Bill. I stare this opinion of the principle of the Bill, though . I an, nut a friend to the manner in which it was intro duced int.) Parliament, during a season of unjust cla mour; and thinking as I do that the Government was to blame by its mrasures, which tended to encourage and increase that clamour ; thinking also that no case had been made out to call for the interference of Par liament—seeing that (luting the last six years there had ' , been some of those fluctuations in the quantity of corn i l which made alternaiely a glut and famine; no•great tine of price, the price having never, during that time, been too high; or at least, not higher than was neces sary to encourage Chit system of agriculture by which the wants of the consumers could be supplied; and nobody his ever stated that there was anj such high price, or any ductu,etions in price, as are now assigned a • the reasons-for proposing this measure; thinkin4, I say, any Lords, the; no case had been made oat. I still aik proved o(the pr incipla of the Bill,thoogh I objected to the manner and the time at which it'vras introduced into this Home. Having been introduced, the question was, hlllibethee it was too gieat a sacrifice to consent to this Sin, or whether it would be better for the safity_aud prosper-ty of the country to oppose it? and believing that it would not be too great a saclike, I assented to the measure, and voted for entertaining the Bill. But ['never intended in voting to entertain the Bill, Dot weld your Lordships intend brgning into a Commit tee to encourage the delusion that the Bill was in that state in which we desired it should remain: On the contrary, I felt it was a duty I owed to the House and Abe public, if any alteration should be proposed that -would be beneficial to the country, to vote for it. Ulf der that feeling I voted for the Amendment of the Noble Duke, because I think it wi:l correct the dangers sad abuses of the bonding system—dangers which are assigned as the reasons for adopting the present measure; for the Amendment will prevent corn from being stored up to Excess in bond, and mill pre vent corn under bond from being suddenly released, producing a famine at one time, and an inundation at tooth. r—dingers against which it is the intention of _the present Bill to provide. Ido not think, therefore, that the Amendment goes to destroy the principle of the Bill, and I am prepared so support the necessity of Vint Amendment for which I voted. Whether or not, is the Amendment stands, it so vitiates the Bill, as quite to destroy its principle—so as, under the cir 'eumstances and difficulties of the country, to make the Ministers suspend the progress of the Bill, and, with that suspension, 40 increase the existing irrita tion before the next Session of Parliament. when a remedy can be applied, is for them to decide. The alteration which has been made in the Bill is merely this—that the release of corn under bond is defer red from the price of 635. to the price of 66.. Ido not understand that the Amendment has any other effect on the Bill than this. Every oth r part of the Bill re mains as it was. Importation is allowed at all times, and the importation pike remains as it was. It was simply art alteration in-the mode of allowing the bonded corn to come into the market, and made on purpose to promote the objects of the Bill. T cannot believe, from the view I take of the Bill, that Miaisters are so .wedded to their opinion as to suppose that the Amendment has so 'kilted' the Bill, it they supposed it beneficial in other respects, that they should think it their duty to abandon 4. Still less can I think this, when I recollect that if .the alteration should be found inconvenient in practice, it will be tubreqoei -fly open to correction. That thr Amend mem is a partial contradiction to the principle sif•the Bill, I admit; tow lam at the sane time sore that I have of late heard'smsscb id `th is House of distinc tions, where 1 can see rioottiferendl:'• "Irtday be that an comprehension; but,l rhirt tee any difference bete een absolute prohibition and a du•y which shall be so high, under the name of a protecting duty, as to mount in•fact to a prohibition. The amendment is in apposition to the technical principle of the BIB; but ire there no other parts of the Bill which are enroll. clictions of this principle? Isere the reciprocity clause a contradiction ?—(Herr;hear I). Does not that give to the Ministers the power of stopping the introducti9n of corn ? I must say,,tbat Ttbink there can be no question of the sincerity of ifier-idoble Lord in the course he has pursued: and I have. no doubt that he pursues that cour.:e from a sincetentctieu that be is only dis charging his Juts' is liiile extraordinary that the amendment should be tiooght so to alter the Bill as to.rnake it nttessary then should be elan. doue.t.l - do not think that any /table Lord who ii held worthy of taking par din his Majesty's Councils, can act, so unworthily as to atialidon the Bill for the purpose, of exciting the discontent and the feelings of the country. All I shall say is this, that if it hould produce that effect. I shall be ready to met it.' I stand hereone of a - body whi4.ll will be always teatlY, hi mly and honestly, to resist such effects—which always -con iders anxiously leeliugly the interests of the people, even when it must' oppose.she people themselves—and! which will never_ consens,-under the influence of fear, to give way to cla mour—(Cheers). It I am told that we run the risk ot• having a worse Bill, I shell never suffer myself to be in imidated by any such threat of a worse Bill; and if a worse Bill should be sent up hese, I am sure your Lord-, ships would pursue the same course you have pursued by the present Bill. You would consider it ; and you would amend .t ; and if you could not Make it good, you would reject it. lam sure that any such measure shall be met by me with a firm opposition—(Cheers) and thet I shall be prepared to,do •nsy-shrty to mysel f I have said thus much, and I might' Say a great deal' more ; but 1 will a goid discussing the Bill. If there shooed come a con.est, mot serious contest it threatened between this House and a great portion of the people, my part if taken, and with that order to which I belong', I will atand or fall —(Cheers.)—l will maintain to the last hour of my existence, the privileges and indepen- , dence of this House.—(His Lordship was loudly cheered by the Members of the Oppotiti:n side of the House on taking his seat.) The Marquis of LANSDOWN—I have no iatentionci in rising, Of entering into any discussion, as there is no question before the House—(" Yes, there is," exclaimed a voice from the Opposition Benches.) I say there is not (continued the Noble Marquis), and I rise only for the purpose of answering a question put by the Noble Duke, after my Noble Friend had stated that it was not his intention to propose any further proceedings in this Bill. My Noble Friend found himself obliged, after the questions which were put to him last night as to the third reading of this Bill, to declare that it was not his intention to move the third reading of the Bill. The third reading stands on your Lordships' Orders for Friday, and undoubtedly it is open for any N .ble Lord who corrceives that this Bill will be beneficial to the country, to move the third reading. My Noble Friend has stated distinctly, that he conceives, that as your Lordships have agreed to an ars:endment which 'he thinks will be attended with mischievous effects, that he does not intend to move that third reading. Those Noble Lords who think that the Bill, as amended, will be beneficial, may move your Lordships to - adopt it. I shall not be tempted by the observations of my Noble Friend opposite to state anything in vindication of what, indeed, wants no vindication—the conduct of my Noble Friend near me, in giving up the Bill, as there will; no doubt, be other opportunities of doing that, if it be necessary, and of explaining that the mea sure, as it now stands, is not one he (Lord Gaderich) could recommend their Lordships to adopt. CRIMINAL LAWS. Lord TENTERDEN moved the second reading of dig Criminal Laws Amendment Bill, the taking away, the Benefit of Clergy Bill, the Consolidatf in of the ' Utterly Laws' Bill, and the other Bilk tor 'lrvin,* the Administration of Justice. These Bills, he had been - introduced into the other Houie or. r.rliarnetif b • a Bight Hon. Gentleman who then filled the inskat ant office of Secretary of State for. tbe Home; De partment ; and it - was fortunate for the country that a Gentleman who had not_ been bred to the law had turned his comprehensive n.ind to the subject, be cause those who were so bred were thereby rendered dull to its imperfections. The Noble and Learned Lord then observed upon the benefits likely to result from this uniiertaking, and said it would be particular ly use ful for that class of persons, Noblemen, and Gentlemen, who were employed, honourably to themselves, is the administration of the criminal law of the country. His Lordship concluded by moving the second reading of the Bills. Lord ELLENBOROUGH, though be was disposed to approve of the Bill, thought that at that late period .of the SCS4IOII their Lordships could no pass the Bill without sums danger at commit ting an error, unless the Noble Lord Mould vomit for the correct ness of the Bill. Lord TENTERDEN meant to explain In the Committee what Acts bad been repealed, and by what dames. Lord ELLENBOROUGH eaprened himself quite tabbed. The LORD CHANCELLOR said a few words inpuitie of the great care with which the Bath had been drawn. The Bills were all then read a second time, and mimed tie be committed to-morrow (this day). `l►~► . CCMPORATE PUWDS HILL. On the Order of the Day for-tbe titled reading of die Cooperate Funds Bill being read, The Ertl of ELDON expressed his regret that this measure - should have reached its present rage withtnat his being aware of its existence. Now that be was in possessi•in of its object he felt himself bound to oppose its further progress. The Bill, as thrir Lordships would perceiie, proposed to make that illegal which, it was admitted on all hands, was now perfectly legal., Cor porations had certain funds at their disposal, for pur poses specified in their Charter ; and when they had applied their funds to those Corporate purposes, they have a right to apply the tern tinder to what purpose they.please. This right was clearly defined and esta blished by law, and was as fixed and certain as the right of any pi ivate Gentleman in the kingdom to dispose of Iris property. 'fhe law being so, and no evidence being shewn to the House that any Corporation had disposed of its funds in an illegal manner, for election pui poses, he wished their Llrdships to say why Corpora lions were by that Bill to be disfranchised, for it was no thing less, quoad those funds, which apparently could be legally used farthese purposes. Besides, by the Charters of many Corporations, tkey were expressly called upon to elect Members of Pariiiment, and cis defray the ex penses from those funds ; and he would ask, what right hail Parliament to prevent those Corporations from u.ing their funds for these purposes? Upon the whole, look ing at the perfect legality o. the right( of Corporations,, as they were exercised in this manner, and at the total want of the evidence of any departure from the legal application of their fonds, he felt himself bOund to move that the Bill be mad a third time this day *three months. Lord DACRE defended the principle of the• Bill, and contended that it was intended to prevent Corpo rations from applying their funds to purposes adverse to the in:erests of those from whom they were taken. Corporations were not, in the case of elections, at all placed in the same situ stion as an individual, because AU iniiviJual was restrained from an invmperate and improper waste of his property by the privations to which he was compelled to Submit wlern he entered ialo that expeuditure, while 0:1-potations wasted the property of others, and were totally unrestrained by Mose considerations which operated on the minds of ledivi2usls. For these ressons, to prevent the improper application of Corporate finds, and to restrain Ccopo rat one from extrcising the power which those fund, gave them to destroy the and pendence of boroughs, and to overlay the power and the influence of the voices of the independent inhabitants, in cases where the Corp ration had a political bias, he hoped their ,Lord ships would consent to allow the 801 l to pass into a law. Lord REDESDALE contended, with the Noble Earl (Eldon), that the Bill would be a most improper inter ference with an acknowledged legal right. Corporatio": laacl, he conceived, as much interest as any inhabitant of ti Borough, that a proper person should be returned to represent them in Parliament, for the preservation of their rights, and the security of their property. The Noble Lord (Lord Were) proposed to deprive them of this right, and to divest property of its fair influence— that influence which he does not pretend to say is now illegal—in operating upon the choice of those persons who are to return Members to Parliament. Looking at 'these things, at what the Noble Earl said of the con struction of the Charters, and at the want of all evidence,' he felt bound to oppose the Bill. The Earl of LIMERICK supported the Bill, and in stanced the case of the Corporation of Limerick as a proof of the right of such interference as that claimed by the That Corporation had funds granted them for parochial purposes—for the maintenance of roads, the repairing of bridges, and the improvement of street‘ The roads, ho'wever, became almost impassable,— The bridges were left in a state ofsrain, and no men could pass through the streets withost being in danger of his life ; and all this, while the Corporation had funds to an immense extent at their disposal. Complaint of this misapplication . of funds was made to Parliament & and their Lordships had actually now before them the evidence upon which aground of interference and re dress was justified in that House. - The Earl of ELDON admitted the force of the Noble Earl's illustration, but he seemed to forget, that the evidence taken in that case affordedno ground for treat. ing all the Corporations in the world in the same manner. The LORD CHANCELLOR thought no man could possibly have any doubt upon the law as it now affected the applica.ion of Corporate Funds. Upon what ground, thetefote, may it be asked, were their Lordships called upon te pass the present Bill? He thought the best answer was to be found in its history, or rather. in the history of the proceedings which gave rise to its intro.. duction. An Hon. Member-in the other House of Par liament, thinking there had been a gross misapplication of the funds of the Corporation.of Northaniptle, moved for and obtained leave to take evidence upon the subject before a Committee. The Committee sat, and the re sult of the proceeding was, that the evidence totally 'failed in proving the charges alleged against the Cor. potation. What did the Hon. Member do - then ? Find ing he, could not get at the C.rporation in that way, he threw overboard the Borough of Northampton, and introduced a Bill into the House of Commons, for the purpose of regulating the application of all the Corpo rate Funds of the kingdom, upon.the subject of elec tions. This was the tine, history of a Bid, which he leas almost ashamed to say had already been read twice In their Losdships' Home. He hoped, however, the ,would tSte would nowcrded, and that their [ t ore'sip not. in the al:ftelice of all evidence, consist, s o deal its this manner with private funds, which were a , , much private property as any other in the kingd, 4l3 _, (Hear, hear.) After e few words from Laud C.awaos sad Lard Curate, o s govt of the ism their Lordship divided— Per the tided reviiiiis-..C ----- Plea-Ceaseate IWajoriti The HMIs oxreequently tat. • • • 19 simi Or oaatt Mt.. Their Lordships then went into a Cosnakter of fi e w h i , House aro the Sale of 6.lme Legalisation Bill. &Mind rebel Amendments proposed by the Merl* e f t u .. war bologreed ard weed to. thr Hams rathineds aid the Report tow ordered to be brought up tountorrow.—.Their Lordship, tka adjoerral at ism, °Twos. HOUSE OF COMMON& Mr. POETIC A N presented several Petitions (men the Cunt' of Somerset and Dorset, praying the repeal of the T on An. " &Miler Prudhoe Were presented from Devises, Preston, Mem, and Peterbosonglt. ' Mr. fluid If presented a Petition from Richard Mania, L eg Due o Member est the Hotrootating that in the late election for twenty of Galway, certain Peers. the Marquises of ClerincitZ sad sego. eitercimid an seconstitotiosal interference, and ermine to be heard at tbe bar of the Home in proof of the soesn r i..., Ordered to be minted. Mr. HUMBowe notievotrat on Wctleesday set be should mots an Address midi Majesty lowa the subject of Naval Prontoei Mr. HUME presented a Petkion from certain Spostfields Wesvms, ?mime lot Mura l Nemensbnient, and the Abolition of Sltiomaren They also prayed for a Repletion of Wages through the Home, upon which paint alma he deigned from the Peoitieneen Mr. L EE f amed dee Sterlerity et attending to the distressed meatiest of tho Petitioners, in which his coustiments teidani. oateirshared.-Itig Petudou was "dun to be rioted. LUNATIC ASTLIItis Mr. GORDON called the attention of the House to the state of the various Lunatic Asylums in the county of Middlesex, with a view to instituting an inquiry by a Committee. His object was to bring before the H she the state of the pauper lunatics confined in thediferent houses for their reception. The treatment of those mi serable people had before received the attention of a Parliamentary Committee, and the evidence then pro duced was sufficient to. prove the necessity of tome pseisures for preventing the continuance of such shock jog examples of human suffering. The Hon. Member then described the situation in which the lunatic paupers of the parishes of St. George's (Hanover-squ re) sod Mary-la-bonue were found, at the . White House, at Houton, when visited by the ovens en. In a root eighteen feet long, sixteen persons were confined is cribs, and they were kept in that state from Saturday evening to Monday. This was the condition in which Lord Robert Seymour, who bad so much- to his amour devoted a great portion of his time and labour to the sob. jest, found the pauper lunatics generally in the houses to which they were sent, •Those houses had certainly b en somewhat improved in consequence of the investigs. tions which had taken place, but no such establish. meats could or ought to be depended upon. It had been weertained that when their friends or the medical men went to visit these miserable people, they woe a out from their cribs and put into the Rinks which was in a more decent state. Another ad was, that the convalescent lunatics were made the keepers of the rest, and thus their chance of mosey was not only lessened, but they were liable to be de in the houses sifter they were well. The Hon. Member stated.- if a Committee were appointed, nod dsoy agreed wittitins; he should then tiring in a Bill to essori the attention of anedieal man in suck eitalstisb• mooM, the heeding of Coroner's inquests upon all per sonsidying in them, and the appointment of poet keepers. He moved, "That a Select Committee be appointed to inquire inta demi meat of Pauper Lunatics in the diterint Asylums le the amegtf, Middiwgz, to coasidor the propriety . of extending thebethel NO. 111. ch. 49. to Pauper Lunatics. and if consolidating all the Am on Lunatic Asyhaensond making furtberprimisiuns relative theme Colonel WOOD said, that the Magistrates of tie county of Middlesex would be extremely indebted to the Hon: Member's exertions. Lord Rosen Seymour bad given the greatest attention to this subject; and he intended to move, at the meeting . of the Magistrates is July, the building of a county asylum for the receptive of its pauper lunatics. Mr. Secretary BOURNE said that the exertions d die Hon. Member and of Lord Robert Seymour were . most praisewo. thy. He thought, however, the facts were so clearly stated and ascertained, that it would be belle to bring in a Bill at once, and have it printed hit con sideration. Mr. LIDDELL approved of the motion. Mr. S. RICE said that he wished the to be anode& is England generally. Mr. Alderman THOMPSON said that he hoped the inquiry would be commenced at once. A statement had been put into his hands by his Hots. nit s& theism Member for London, Mr. Wilson, from which it sr peered that many of the circumstances alleged agree Mr. Warburton's establishment were Mot true. Mr. Secretary BOURNE admitted that mod of the stamen relating to the M. Georges paupers was warmed. Mr. RIDLEY COLBORNE said, that he was glad to find the House unanimous in granting the Hoo.hlember his Committee. In justice to Mr. Warburton, who eel examined by him on the Committee, be was honed to say that that Gentleman expressed himself ready to attend to any suggestion, - and that much improvement had since beep made in his establishment. The only way in which the pauper lunatics could be propel,' treated was to build a county asylem. Mr. M. A. TAYLOR said, he bad visited all the lunatic houses, aced he was certain that pauper lunatics had no chance of recovery in any of them mewing Bethlem Hospital. He was ready to give his Hon. Friend every assistance in his inquiry, and he trusted that the county of Middlesex would adopt Lord Robert Seymour's humane suggestion. Mr. ESTCOURT was of opinion that the measure should be general, and that it would be best to p roceed at once by.. ill. Sir. F. BURDETT said, that there was no s ub j ect which More appealed to the best feelings of man, t han that of alleviating the greatest calamity with whitn human nature could be afflicted. He had great saris faction in vincurring with the unanimous feeling of the House. He hoped that the discussion of the subject would have the effect of drawing the attention of Ms. gibtrates to those unfortunate people, and produce for them some temporary improvement of their condition until proper measures were adopted. After a few obeereationa from Mr. Gams mid Mr. W. Moo , the Committee was appointed. Sir P. BURDE pre seeks that toosonow seasight should bring toninad his motion relative to the Insprwsamu t Seamen. MR ADMIRALTY. Mr. BANKES wibhed to put a question to any 00 , who might be able to answer it, as to the wo.k 0 . ,1 ism M env , : i ~,.~ ,~ 44 . 1 :Am r!' . 4141 I 'L 41 Si 'lll