Star. — London, England, 1812-06-09 00:00:00

io the h o pe of the recovery of the King, but at the ss ooe. time we received assurances, that if his Royal Father should not be rests .red, and the Prince s h o uld assume the reins of Government, he would act upon those principles he had forme r ly entertain td, an d that the commission with which he had at first been entrusted should be restored. Consci ous of'nothing that could induce his Roy a l Highness to :Ka i his gracious purpose, we did entertain hopes of Ong indulged with the confidence of our Sovereign. w ear , hear.) We were disappointed ; yet to the fi rs t re position mae b th Noble Marquis, confessedly w ithout authori d ty, y we e returned an answer which chewed our disposition to conciliate, in compliance with the general wishes of the nation. The next step was the renewal of the proposition with full powers, although the Noble Marquis had previously in vain solicited authority to explain, what he imagined had b e en misconceived. My Noble Friend (Earl Moira) w i t h that frankness which characterizes him, com menced his negotiation, and he will do ug the justice to admit, that he was met with equal alacrity and lib era lity. To avoid any delay that might arise, I j brought forward a difficulty that forcibly struck say mind, and in consequence, the Noble Earl broke off the intercourse, declaring that he could proceed no further. That he acted conscientiously, i have so doubt, but the impression upon my mind from all the circumstances, was that which I before stated to your Lordships. Hereafter an opportunity will be afforded of more detailed examination of the causes of that strong impression, the statement of which was called forth by what was stated by the Noble Earl (Harrowby) on the other side of the House.-- If I am wrong, the'House will be able to decide, and I lament if their decision be not such as to confirm those sentiments which I found it impossible to repress." Earl MOIRA.—" I am sincerely happy to assure the House that I am completely satisfied, and I mist that if I said any thing to create an unpleasant im pression, it is as .completely effaced from his recollec- I lion as what he stated is from my own. Into what j passed between me and an illustrious personage, it would be indelicate for me here to enter, nor will it be more proper that in this stage I should dwell upon the various musts of delay beyond those alluded to ! by my Noble Friend. I trust I have adopted that I generous spirit throughout these transactions,without which I s should have been atraid to act, and which • Is in truth only a kind of honour. If the point allud ed to by the Noble Earl, on which my negotiation terminated, had been such in my view as lie repro- 1 sents it in his, I should have held myself deeply criminal if I could have consulted the fe6lings of say individual, even of that personage who fills the exalted station of the First Magistrate of the State. My opposition to the wishes cf my Noble Friend arose from this circumstance, that I conceived it to he in the firt instance improper in point of form' . for me to comply with them, and in the next, that had I complied, the consequences would have been singularly mischievous.—But in negociatious of this kind, tor the sake of removing ill-gx ouoded suspicions. it is incumbent upon me to resign that judgment I am called upon to exercise on the part of my Sole reign and the Pnblic--(Hear, hear.) Was it reason.. able to expect. that I should give up my notions of , tight and wrong ; and-upon that, and that alone, the aegociation was broken off. The Noble Earl is con scions that I came to the subject unfettered in every I way ; not an individual was named for a seal, and no place was pointed out even for myself. .I was met in a manly way, and with the same spirit I resisted and rejected the pretension of the Noble Earl. The I nature of that pretension will, in all probability, be j 'afterwards discussed ; for the present I beg to assure him that I am perfectly satisfied with the explanation he has afforded." Lord GRENVILLE." My Lords, for one I shall be well contented to allow this matter to rest,j until the public judgment, from information afforded, can be deliberately formed ; but as an individual concerned in recent events, I lay in my claim to as., sect, and when required, to prove, that in every part where our conduct was implicated, it was not en a pretension, as.the Noble Earl terms it, but on a dif ference regarding a most important point of the Con stitution,necessary, as we conceive, to the good govern- ; mental the Empire, that our dissention was founded. I My Noble Friend asks, whether it was to be required of him that he should sacrifice his judgment to our wishes? Such a desire would be pteposterous,/but , let me likewise ask your Lordships, and I request TM to ask yourselves, whether our judgment was to be yielded to the Noble Earl on points of material and fundamental importance, when the question was no less than this, whether we could consent to be come efficient Men.bers of an Administration formed on a principle, wl ich, in our deliberate opinion, was calmed to overthrow the acknowledged practice of the Constitution will not trouble the House longer now, by a more minute examination of the euestioe, but I the ught these few words necessary, that the principk on which we proceeded might not b e mistakes of misrepresented. Farther I will not "It proceed, be when the subject is discussed in tail, the House, as be; been already remarked, will (over what is fit that Parliament should take upon itself." The question of adjournment was then put from the Woolsack, and the Reuse, in consequence, ad journed until this day. HOUSE OF COMMONS. Ixempti 7lse farther consid er ation of the Report of the Mail Coach on was fixed for Friday. Mr. LOCK HART gave notice that be should on Thursday Tone for a Commluee to enquire into the state of the Palace Court. Mr. DAMES postponed the third reading of the Sinecure Bill to this day se'nnight. Sir S. ROI%fILLY postponed his motion respecting Lincoln sol till Friday. Mr. W.POLE brought in the Irish Customs Duties Bill— Read a first, and ordered to be read a second time to-morrow. The Irish Loan Bill went through a Committee.—Report or tiered to be received to-morrow. Mr. BROUGHAM wished to know if it was the Intention at a Right Honourable Gentleman IMr. Canning) to bring for ward his motion which stood for Thursday, on the subject of the Catholics of Ireland. ...Mr. CANNING sa id , he was prepared to bring it forward on autsday; but under existing circumstances be was ready to Vast_ pone it to a future day. Mr. BROUGHAM said, he had a Motion on the Orders In Council standing for to-morrow, if the Right Honourable Gen t/man did not intend to bring forward his motion en Thurs daYt be would take the opportveltp et postponing bisz"ti" to that day. FORMING AN ADMINISTRATION. Lord CASTLEREAGH said, previous to the Right Hon. Gentleman giving an answer to this question, he felt it his duty to make a communica tion of certain circumstances to the House. It was well known that a Noble Lord (Wellesley) had re ceived instructions from his Royal Highness the Prince Regent to form an Administration, but that the Noble Lord having failed in his endeavours, had resigned his authority again into the hands of the Regent ' • his Royal Highness t h en comman d e d t h e Earl of Moira to endeavour to form such an Admi nistration.. He had now to state, that that Noble Earl' ad this morning also surrendered that autho rity into the hands of the Prince Regent ; upon which his Royal Highness, anxious to comply with the wishes and recommendation of the House of Commons, had named the Earl of Liverpool First Lord Commissioner of the Treasury, and had given his Lordship lull powers to form an Administration. —(Hear, hear).—He left it to the Right Hon. and Hon. Gentlemen to say, whether, under these cir cumstances, they would agitate two questions of such vital importance to the interests of the corntry as the Catholic Claims and the Orders in Council were, on so early a day as Thursday? . Mr. CANNING declared he had no objection to name any day now, pro firma, but wished it to be understood, it was his determined intention to bring it forward. An Hon. Gentleman (Mr. Martin) had a motion to the same effect as his, standing for the day following his. He suppose& that the Hon. Gentleman would have no objection to postpone that also, and he (Mr. Canning) would then rehew his motion for the 19th instant. Mr. MARTIN, of Galway, declared his readiness to postpone his motion ; it was only in the hope of seeing the Right Hon. Gentleman in some high of ficial situation, that he was induced to give Its no tice at all. He had not yet given up that hope.— (Hear, hear.). • Mr. CANNING then fixed his motion for the 18th, and the call of the House for the day pre ceding it. Mr. ROSE said, the Hon. and Learned Gentle man opposite had expressed his intention of bringing forward Ns motion on the Orders in Council, on Thursday ; he trusted when the Hon. Gentleman considered the length of the evidence, and that at least one quarter of it had not yet been distributed to Members, he would not persist in bringing it forward at so early a day. Mr. BROUGHAM said, instead of one quarter remaining to be delivered, the fact was, that only one seventeenth remained not delivered to Members, and that he understood would be delivered eithet to-night or to-morrow. He wished to ask if Gentlemen had seen the accounts from America ; and whether, after having seen them, they would say this was a ques tion which could be delayed ? This was not of the same description with the Right Honourable Gentle man's motion ; to delay this'question would be ruin. Whilst this was passing here, what was passing in America ?—that which would ruin this country— (Hear.) Were they then to wait under circumstances to see what this new brat of an Administration would bring forth ? He spoke now for greater objects than these ; he spoke for peace between this country and America ; he spoke for the preservation of the com merce of this country, which would be sacrificed by delay ; he spoke also for the lOU Delegates, who had for some time been attending at the bar. He knew not of any reasons, constitutionally speaking, which should prevent the House doing its duty. The House was perfect, though the Administration was not ; and all the consequence would be, that the question would I be heard on its own merits. If there was any reason I for preventing his postponing his nrition stronger than these, it was, that Lord Liverpool, after the decided opinion of that House, declaring the late Ad ministration incapable, had been marked by an Ad dress to the Prince Regent, was again, as appeared from the statement just made by the Noble Lord, ap pointed Prime Minister. Under these circumstances, he should therefore move that the Call of the House be fixed for Friday next. Lord CASTLEREAGH observed, that if, in fix ing the call of the House for Friday, the Honour. able Gentleman intended to be understood as mean , ing.to bring forward his motion on the expediency of the Orders Council on that night, he should feel it his duty to take the sense of the House on the sub ject. He could not help calling the attention of the House to the inexpedient) , (not to say indecency) of thus attempting to hurry forward a question of this impOrtance.—(Hear, hear.) This was not the first time he had had to complain of the Hon. Gentle man's desultory notices, in which he took the oppor tunity of introducing remarks, and proceeded to make comments not founded on facts, or on the deci sions of the House—(Hear, hear.) He would ven ture to say nothing could be more unparliamentary than for the Honourable Gentleman to declare, that, on a day when it might be foreseen none of his Ma jesty's responsible servants could be in their places, he would proceed to discuss a subject upon which, • by his own account, peace between this country and America depehded—(Hear, hear.) Did the Hon. Gentleman mean to erect himself into an Adminis tration for that pUrpose ?—(Hear, hear.) He was at a loss to conceive where the Honourable Gentleman obtained his information respecting America, and how he could undertake to decide so positively on the subject, without being in possession of any documents as to the state of the negotiation between this coun try and her— (Hear, Hear.) With respect to the -Orders in Council, would the Honourable Gentle. man pretend to say, because he was prepared to speak to them as the cause of the present local distress, that therefore the House was prepared to speak of them generally. He (Lord Castlereagh) w.is of opinion .there was enough on the evidence to prove to the House that they were beneficial to commerce and the country; and to remove from the country that gloom which the Hon. Gentleman's view of the subject was calculated to create—(Hear, hear.) It was, he would s ay, unprecedented then to attempt to drive the House into discussion. He had no controul certainly over an individual Member's conduct ; but he should con sider himself guilty of a dereliction of his duty, if; should the Hon. Member persist in his intention, he did not' take the sense of the House upon it (Hear, hear.) After the scenes of the last fortnight, he thought he bad a right to complain, on the part of the People, of the conduct of.the Honourable Gentleman- and his only it was who were to be friends opposite. They blamed; it was their conduct which had caused the hear.)—lt was they who had placed the House in a situation which prevented the subject having been discussed,— (Hear, hear.)—He had ven tured to state, on a former night, that the Honoura ble Gentleman and his friends would find it more easy to pull down an Administration than to erect one. They had experienced the truth of that opinion. (Rear, hear.)—He denied that any vote or proceed ing of the Heuse had gone, or been intended to con vey, a vote of censure on, or to declare an opinion of, the incapacity of the late Administration. Nor would he suffer such an assertion to go uncontradicted.— (Loud cheers.)—The Noble Lord concluded, by again declaring, that, if the Honourable Gentleman persist. ed in bringing forward his motion on Thursday, he would previously take the sense of the House upon it. Mr. 8. WORTLEY rose to ask the Noble Lord a question. Mr. MARTIN, of Galway, rose amidst loud cries of Order.—" Mr. Speaker, I rise to order—and to order—only I do not mean to preclude the Hon. Gentleman putting any question ; but I was (Cris Order, order 1) Lord FOL K ESTONE rrse to call the Hon. Member to order. He rose to speak to order, and was himself disorderly. Mr. MARTIN resumed, he was not disorderly now, he had been disorderly on a former night, when he wished to put a question and was prevented ; he was at least only disorderly then in submitting to a Gentleman who interrupted more, and added less to debate than any man in the House.— (Cries of Order, order ! Chair, chair !) The SPEAKER observed, the Hon. Gentleman must be aware he was wandering from the subject. Mr. MARTIN— ,, Sir, I have been told it is not regular to put questions ; I was prevented put ting one. I owe it to myself—l owe it to the House to remind them of that circumstance"—( Hear, hear.) The SPEAKER said it certainly was not strictly orderly for any Hon. Member to put questions ; it was allowed in some cases, where it was likely to forward public business, but must be considered as disorderly when it tended to impede it. Mr. STEPHEN said, he understood the Honour able Gentleman wished to put a question, the answer to which would determine whether he would proceed on some particular motion. Sir F. BURDETT thought the strict rules of the House did not allow of Members putting questions. Mr. S. WORTLEY said, the House was called on to go into a debate upon a most important ques tion ; previous to its doing so, he wished to.ascertain what was the state of the Government, and it was with that object he wished to put the question. Mr. WILBERFORCE thought the Honourable Gentleman, (Mr. Martin) had a right to complain, he had himself been stopt from putting a question.— He (Mr. Wilberforc e ) was decidedly against the practice of putting questions at all. Mr. ROSE repeated his former arguments against going into a discussion on the Orders in Council on so early a day. Mr. STEPHEN was of the same opinion. Lord MILTON thought they would be able to debate a question without having a Minister in the House to take charge of it, as a Noble Lord (Cas tlereagh) had expressed it. He wished for once the House of Commons might debate a question on its owe merits, without any Administration.—(thar). Lord CASTLEREAGH had not said it was ne cessary Ministrrs should be in the House to take charge of a debate; what he had said was, that it was Con stitutional that the responsible advisers of the Crown should be present, to give information and advice. Mr. WHITBREAD said, the Noble Lord's words had made the same impression on his mind as they had on the mind of his Noble Friend (Miltorr). He perfectly agreed with his Hon. Friend (Brougham), that the earliest day would be the fittest for the dis cussion of this question. The Noble Lord had said, it would be necessary to have the responsible Minister of the Crown, who was possessed of all the corre spondence with America, in the House. Who was ignorant of that correspondence, except the House of Commons? it was known to all the rest of the world ' • and where would be the use o f h av i n g th e Noble Lord in the House, since though Le possessed that correspondence, he was determined not to com municate it to Parliament ? The situation of Ame rica with regard to this country, was most critical. On the decision of this question depended the ques tion of peace or war ; and the delay of a week might render •war inevitable. Ms. MARRYATT thought sufficient time had not been given for the consideration of the evidence. He was therefore for postponing the discussion. Mr. BARING did not wish improperly to press this subject on the consideration of the House, but he thought Gentlemen opposite should name some day, some early day in next week. If they did not name some day, they must not complain of Gentlemen on this side of the House pressing the question. Mr. ROSE did not think it would be possible to bring forward the question before Friday seinnight. Mr. BROUGHAM wished to know why it could not be made Tuesday se'nnight ? he, indeed, could not consent to delay the subject a day beyondrhurs day ; it it was delayed, it would be on the responsi bility of the Right Honourable Gentleman or Noble Lord opposite. The Order of the Day for the Call of the House was then, on the suggestion of Lord CASTLEREAGH, postponed to Friday se'nnight. Mr. BROUGHAM then gave notice that he should, on Thursday se'nnight, bring forward his.mo. tion for an Address to the Prince Regent, on the Or ders in Council. ADDRESS TO THE REGENT. General GA SCOIGNE postponed his motion on this subject, which stood for to-night, to Wednesday. Mr. S. WORTLEY would now put his question to the Noble Lord. He wished to ask the Noble Lord, if the powers given to 'Lord Liverpool by his Royal Highness the prince Regent, were similar to those given to the Marquis Wellesley, or whether it was merely a power to carry into elect the. arrange menu which had been proposed previous to the Ad dress of the House ? Lord CASTLEREAGH was not aware or the precise powers granted to Lords Wellesley and Moira, but his Noble Friend had received his Royal High ness's directions to proceed to the formation of stin Ad ministration. Mr. S. WORTLEY said it was not his intention . . to impute blame to the present Admini.tration, but he should, perhaps, to-morrow, move an address to his Royal Highness, expressing generally the regret which the House felt at his Royal Hir,htiess's not having been able to follow up his most gracious et. claratton. Lord CASTLEREAGH put it to his Hon. Friend, whether it would not be better to time some day not too distant, but so distant as to afford a chance of an Administration being formed. Mr. TIERNEY said, if the Noble Lord would name a day—but it would not be right to have it stand over indefinitely. Lord CASTLIMEAGH said, Thursday or Friday. Mr. S. WORTLEY then fixed his motion for Thursday ; with an understanding, that it would then certainly be brought forward. General GASCO.IGNE said, the Hon. Gentleman having fixed on Thursday, and it appearing that the House would not be ready to receive any motion be fore that d 4y, he should fix his motion for Friday. Ajourned till morrow (this day.) THE EVENING STAR. LONDON. • TUESDAY, JUNE 9. PRICE OF S COCKS THIS DAY AT 014R.O'CLOCE. India Stock shut—s per Ct. Red. 51411-4 per Cott. 740 3 per Ct. Cons. for money shut—Ditto for opening 5 per Cent —Long Awls. L sf--Bonds rer La. Each. Bill: (std.) par is. dls.—Do. (std.) 4s. ss. pr. That the negotiation of Earl MOIRA to form an efficient Administration had entirely failed was pretty evident from the facts we stated yesteiday. The cir cumstance was announced last night in both Houses of Parliament. Our readers will also see that Lord LIVERPOOL. sta ted his reinvestment in Office, and that he.had the Prince's authority to form a Ministry. It now remains to be seen in what manner his Lordship proposes to fill up the Administration, and then whether this will be held by the House of Commons as an efficient Ad ministration in the sense of their Address to the Prince Regent. On this point the question will soon be at issue—Mr. Wortley having given notice of a Motion on Thursday nest, similar in its nature to that by which the last Ministry was removed. • NEW LOAN. The following letter was this day sent to the Bank of England, and was accordingly intimated at the Stock Exchange: " TREASURY CHAMBER°, JUNE 9. " Gstertatarti.-1 nes to inform you, and to request that you wiU make ft known In the nival manor, that Lord tam root. and I gall be ready to see any Gentlemen desirous of siontract., ins for a Loan, for the service of the pram Year, on Filthy next, at Eleven o'Clock, in order to Inform them of the Amount, which will be required, and to fix the manr.er of bidding ; and hope It will be convenient to you, or one of you, to meet those Gentlemen here at that boor. " I have the honour to be, Gentlemen, " Your obedient humble serrat e " N. Vaxetrr*tl. " Treasury Chambers, June 9, 1812. " 'Tu the Governor and Dtpoty Governor of the Bask? A Mail from Malta and Gibraltar arrived this morning : from Sicily, we learn that the QUM was preparing lot her departure from that Island. It was not known, however, where sheawa r s going. From Gibraltar we have adiices to the 24th May. They state that Earl WELLINGTON was expected to push forward a strong force into the South of Spain, and that the Spaniards in that quarter were preparing to co-operate with his Lordship. SOULT kept moving about with his scattered columns, but seemed unable to effect any thing decisive. The long-expected Declaration of War by France against R ussia, has at length reached us. It has been issued from the French head-quarters in Prussia, and is of the following tenor : PROCLAMATION. FIINCUMEN !—l . am again called upon to wage war with the North. " SOLD? es !-‘I myself will lead you against the Russians. " In the commencement of July, 1.114 be present in St. Petersburgh, and I will mark oat to the Emperor Amu/knot a, the fit boundary of his domains. _ . " Poland shill be y the future barrier, to place it bryond the power of the Cabinet of St. Petersburgh, again to ruin i t . (Signed) " TOL tO N." With the above, we have received the subsequent document : TO THE POLISH NATION. " Potts will confer upoq you a king. " I will extend your limits. " Your country shall be greater than It was In die * days of STAMISLAUS. " The Grand Duke of Wuarasuso, our Uncle, shall be your King. * This sovereign has bestowed upon us his friendship, be has li prayed it by his etniduct, and by his attachment-to the common tense. 'His troops are now placed at our disposal ; unite your selves with them, and never revive the ancient animosi►y which was encouraged towards his subjects, and which extinguished Ike glory of your angel:ors. " MAPOIAON." FALMOUTH, JUNE G. Arrived, the Spanish ship San Francisco de Alia, Captain Muni LAITICA .:Taattati, from Comma, in eight days; and the two Ellzas, from Lisbon, in 16 days. Sailed, the Walsinghans Packet, with seMall, fur Lisbon ; Duke of Montrose Packet, for the Brazils; and the Manchester Packet, for Gibraltar and Malta. The Dispatch Packer, Capt.tin KIARNESS, was lost, as before reported, en the west end of Sicily, on the 14th April: Captain Liar NESS purchased a small vessel near the place where the se ddent happened, and brought on the Mail to Gibraltar, where Commodore Pattaose immediately put it on board the MVP.. Dance store-ship, which sailed on the 24th ult. and arrived in Illiptint's Bay last evening. —The Mail was brought here this anurning.—The Princess Charlotte left Malta for Sardinia the std May. Wind N.E. PORTSMdtITH, JUNE His Majesty's ship riritiAM has sailed with convoy fnr °nem. sey and Jersey.•-His Majesty's ship HOTSPUIt has been ordered away this morning at a very short notice; destination not known.—All the transports and merchantmen that arrived yes. terday, under convoy of the Gositawx, from Gibraltar and Lis. bon, are put under quarantine. DEAL, JUNE R. Sidled last night, after Post, the whole of the outward.liemid coasters and colliers, under convoy of the Vireo coner.—sasled his Majesty's ship Guerin, on a cruise.—One of the parbilgs has just made a tignal for a convoy to Portansosith.—Wind N.E. - - --- ---- Basoo.—To-day tbere was oo Court of AldiSstes.—T LORD Moroa. after isspecuss tbs Retains, ordered k le c dose at pretest prices. S _