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• emossawsessessim. it was the intention to b4g the subject before Par- jiamerit t that time might by taken to prepare for one of the most important discuss - re. arising out of the - ate of publ c affairs. Lord Viscount MELVILLE ol*erved, with re- spect tp the subject to which the Noble Earl had al- )uded, it would be brought forward after the recess. A discussion ws,s then going on with respect to the astlndia Trade, between the Directors of the Last India Company and tho Lords of his Nl4jesty's Ce.run- cil, and as much time and information would be af- forded as the nature of the subject would admit. The Earl of LAUDERDALE observed, that the'circuni . sfancei. in which the country was placed required a more early discussion of tic question than the Noble Viscount had proposed. 1 - le thought that negociation on this trade ought not to be confined to the Directors of the East India Company. Tr:tders were the persons interested in the - question. Persons a this description had been deceiyed on a former oc- casion, by being told that they would be beneAtted by a renewal of the Olaner. Hs thought that it was due to the Public to _lay-before the House some in- Ihrmaticn previous to the disetssion. • Lord Viscount MELVILLE could not be pro- voked by the observations of the Noble Earl, to say what might be the intention bf Governmesit on th.s subject; all he could say was, when the subject came oil, he should be able, lie trusted, to answer success- fully the observations of the Noble Earl. • The Earl of LAUDERDALE, in explan ation, said, he had expressed himself anxious that no time should by lost in the discussion of the question. SCARCITY IN IRELAND. The Earl of DARNLEY adverted to a notice given on a'former day, to draw the attention of their • Lordships to the Scarcity of Provisions and Grain in Ireland ; s al.d intimated, that it was his intention to make a Motion on the subjt ct to-morrow. LOCAL MILITIA. The Local Militia Bill passed tlimugh a Com- mittee, and after some discussion between Lord LI- VERPOOL and Earl FITZWILLISM, several verbal Amendments were agreed to; and the Bill ordered to he reported.—Adjourned. HOUSE OF COMMONS. Mr. Alderman COMBK moved for the election of. a new tlesaber, the room of Lord Percy, now called to the House of Peers. ' Mr. HERBERT postponed his Motion relative to the License Trade, to the 16th ot April. • An Accouot was prs?onted to the House of the bundeel and Unfunded Debt of the Lountry, rani] MO to tali it clus ve. A Message Irons the Lerers was received, announcing the 'as lent of their Lordships to several private Buts: 1 he usual annual LA tor the quaai ring of Soldie:s, was read a first tune. Mr. BElslirlf.TT gave notice of a Motion for to-morrow, for certain Papers reLa.ve to du: Punishment of Soldiers. The Pa. ish Register Lill was read a first time. M. LUSHINU•I'ON In-ou t fit up the Report on the Peniten- tiary House Bill, when, upon the second reading of the Amend. petits, Mr. S. ROMlLLl' . urged the necessity of extending the Bill generally to all pelts of the Kingdom, and not merely confine its operation to London and Mn..cilesex Mr. HOLFORD replied, that this was only the beginning of • a more extens6.l plan ; but, bens the present state ut Newgate, and the number or prisoneis roamed to toatprisou, it was thought most expedient to linht the present inea,ares to Loudon aml Mid- dlesex in the first instance.; tht CumitiLiee, however, were of . opinion that it shoed extend to the whole KinEdom. • After a few winds from fur. Secte.ary Ry Dux and Mr. W. WY NNE, the Rel ore was ordered to be taken into nattier eon • sideiation to-morrow. Mr. 1.1.11.1 - INOI ON brought up the l‘eport on 'the Charita- ble Donation *Regis:tit:jou lani, when sons.: conversation took place bet syeon Mr. BATit UR ST, Mr. Ils:Niev satrt u, Mr. Rusk:, Mr. Local:l.lAT, and Mt. Ve testa rue ee, upon a clause exempt- -isig the Vity of Lomon from the i r'ovisions of the kill : alit r %%Inch, the kterprt, wiai the Antendmots, was agreed to, and the Bill ~ rettred to be toad a :sal t lie on 's% eduesday. The Slitauty renli.4oiitis' 11111 war read a sueund time, and Oereu to be commit ed lief Wednesday. • Upon bi ingtrg up the Report on hart Wellfitgton'sAnnuity Bill, WYk.Nk. urged the: pre pritty of extemong the giant kespetitity, the case ot the Luke of Marohurough. 7 '1 he Report was then agreed to, and tin:Mil ordered to bercad a third time to-morrow. • SICILIAN SUBSIDY. • • Lord CASTLEREA(.I - 1 gave notice of a Motion, in the Cotn- titmice ot Supply oil Wi.duesday Wit, relative to toe bicolor buhsicly wf .t:stto,t,ts). LItEACII OF PRIVILEGE. Mr. EDEN said, he rose to state a circumstance which he conceived to dematiel• the vart.cu'ar attentLu of the House. A 'Committee had het n appointed to inquire into the present etate ct •11rauportation, and a Mr. Campbell was ordtseJ to attend *nil give ev.d..tice open the ssibjeci ; but on lUs way to thin House • be was arrt•sttel by a Oictiti - l. Ciskei. As it alwayi was the practice. tit the Boos- to 11.1 it the sante 'To:et:non to witnesses ; is was 'by Con: is ot Law, he thetiftre submitted a mo- tion, to order i,r. tiaye-, an OTheer ot the Sla:riff ut surrey, auel jvlr. Campbell, to atttud to-nim row at the liar of ,the House. • Mr. LUCKHAKT said, lie thoug%t th,, usual practice of the House, in similar cases, to be, to ufe.er the Officer alone to at- tend iu the hrst instance, and; upon his statement, to make such other order as migt,t be thougl.t I riper. The SPEAKER :stated, fan whese no extraordinary outrage was said to have beet committed, the ordinary practice of the house was to order the °dicer an the person arrested to appear at the tar together.— I he qua soon was then put and tarried. LI V..:ItPUOL-7DISTItESS4I.I SIANUFACTUREItS—Ii:ASt- • INDIA !kit/NOMA. General TARLETON said he held in his hand a l'etition•sined by upwards of 4000 Mere!iants con- cerned in the trade of Liverpool, praying to remove the monopoly of the East-India Company. Mr. CREEVY'stated, that he was perfectly ac- quaimed With the present deplorable° situation of the Town of Liverpool ; but, in his opinion, it was pro- duced from the present state of our relations with America, Any Gentleman at all acquainted with the trade of Liverpool must know, that many ships, , formerly employed in the American trade, were now completely dismantled, and the poor, in consequence Of the decay of trade,' were increased Trom 8000 to • 15,000 persons who received weekly charity. It was a well-known fact, that in some counting-houses in Liverpool, which 'used to be crowded with Clerk's, not more than three or four were now to be seen ; an the young men who had been employed,As such, and received a salary of from ,eso' to £l5O a-year, were now in absolute beggary.. This was not the oise with 'Liverpool alot.e, but every other town • which any concern in the American trade were proporlienately injured by the extraordinary 'pnl cy e at present Riaititailled by this country. Liverpool had also an additional misfortune to Jamul., and that was the conversion of an Attorney into the Tax • Inspector of the district. This person, it seems, had suggested to the Chan,:ellor of-the Exchequer as one ot the ways and means of the year, the eaptdient of surcharges on all his fellow -townsmen, in considera- : dun of which Ire" was to receive a good place front Treasury. Idii appoiatuient accordinly • • • • • produced great consternation; theinhabitagts thought themselvts handed over to be slicked, and the mea sure was likely to introduce a dreadful state of sp. catty. Such was Ole nature of this person's proceed ings, that none of the other Tax-gatherers wire likely to stand it ; and he understood that the 4urveyor-Ge neral had aiready resigned. It was universally be, sieved at Liverpool, that this new Inspector was an old client of the Right Hon. Gentleman opposite, and one of his early friends when at the bar. Mr. ROSY, sa'sel, he was not at all prepared to an swer the Honourable Gentleman who spoke last upon the topics he had introduced into his speech, but he was well aware that the trade of Liverpool had of ke fallen much short of what it had been in former years ' • but the result of his inquiry was that Liver pool h ad not sustained more injury than might have been expected, from the situation in which the ccun try is at present pieced. He was aware that the per sons who received charity in the town of Liverpool were very considerable, but he also knew that a great part of them were not natives, nor had regular set dements in the place. General TA RLETON stated, that it was not his wish to bring the present subject forward, but his Constituents must have looked at hint with consider able jealousy had he declined to do it at their request. He held in his hand a document, signed by a Mem ber of the CoMmittee appointed for bettering the si tuation of the Pour in Liverpool, from which it ap peared that great numbers of Welsh and Irish were encouraged to go there for employment, Out from the present suspension of trade they were compelled to resort to charitable relief. General GASCOYNE said, that both sides of the question might be considerably exaggerated but every person must know, that since the trade of this country with America was cot of, Liverpool, which enjoyed three-fourths of it, must sustain considerable injury, and the people consequent distress. Mr. ALEXANDER BARING said there could be no doubt of the people of Liverpool enduring many hardships, occasioned by the policy of those who at present unfortunately governed the country. It was ridiculous to talk of the general prosperity of the country, when it was evident many parts of it were materially injured. Our shipping was now al most unemployed ; and the only remedy which Mi nisters provided was the establishment of an unpro fitable trade with the enemy. By this new trade we were to import French lawns, jetiellery, and other rticles, to any amourit ; in return for which we were permitted to export British goods to the value only ut £5 per ton. Mr. ROSE sated, that he could not say what the present demand for shipping was; but when he last inquired rev) it merchant-ships were engaged at 235. per tun, instead of. jt4s. for which the Transport Board eirga„oed them three years ago. if the 1-lon. Gentleman, however, made any specific motion upon the subject, he would be glad to meet him, and call fir the proper documents to put the matter beyond a doubt. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER I . said an tionourable Getrleman had made an accusa- • Lion against hitn, which made a considerable impres sion on his feelings, as injurious to his character.— Ile had been charged with entering into a disgrace ful contract with an oh! client, by giving hivn a situ atimi, on condition that he would slit chatgc his neigh -1 hours in collecting the takes. Whether the party had ever beed a client of his he could not pretend to say ; but of this he was certain, that he dtd not re member him, nor ever enter into any contract of the, kind with any person. He remembered one person • wno had been a Collector of Taxes in Liverpool, but when Government canted upon him to account fur the deficiency in his accounts, he thought proper to tender his res guano!), and to that discarded servant • he believed the Honourable Genleman to be indebt ed for his information. As to what an Honourable Gentleman had stated of our suppased trade with France, he saw no necessity for sa)ing any thing up- ' on the subject. Mr. CREEVY, in explanation, said that he had no information horn the discarded servant alluded to by the Right Hon. Gentleman ; but he was infor med by a Magistrate of LiveiPOol, that an Attorney I of that town had suggested a project to Government of increasing the taxes, and that consequently he w.r. ' indebted to the Right Hon. Gentlemanlor ins sub-: sequent appointment. Committee should be postponed till this day month. He said be had no objection to a suitable establish ment being formed fur the Princesses, but he conceiv ed that existing circumstances demanded that there should be some inquiry as to the fund from which the txpences attendant on it were to be defrayed ; there was already a deficit of the Consqlidated Fund of upwards of three millions, anti the Right Hon. Gen tleman had not as yet settled how he was to meet this defalcation, whether by a reduction of the interest receivable by the public creditors cr by what other means. It should be recollected when so large a sum as thirty thousand pounds, or whatever the projec.ed provisien for the Plincessel amounted to, was to be taken from the Cons lidated Fund, that that Fund had bean recently chat get: M ith the peymentof seventy thousand pounds to the Prince Regent, wi:o was also to retain £60,000, charged on it at a former period, making, united, the sum of ,e 130,000. Being of opi nien that an inquiry on this I.ead WAS necessary pre. vious to the House going into a Committee, he would move, that the House du resolve it.telf into a Com mittee for the purpose in question on this day month. Mr. ROSE said, that it had been proeideJ, in order to the better seeming to the stockholder his interest, that in any unfortunete defalcation of the Consolidat ed Fund, recourse should be had to the supplies for the service of the year, The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEOUER 1 The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER repeated, that the subject was entittly new to lion, said, that the statement of the Honourable I,entle. and therefore he was not piepared ta., say any thing ' man was calculated to produce a very erroneous im -moraupon it. I prvssion on the House. There was no deficit of the ' The Petition was then read, and ordered to lie on : Consolidated Fund, as he had stated, but, on the con .tlie table. I trary, a surplus of twelve hundred and sixty-nine Mr. BAR ING said he conceived the Petition to thousand pounds. He had fallen into error in conse rnl.tte to the general state of our foreign trade, or be q uence of his taking the surplus of the Con s olid ate d Fund and adding it to the surplus of the war taxes o f .: should not have inttoduced the subj e ct of ou r impor the year. With respect to the a ll owance to hi s Ling the manufacture of France. tiuding, however, that the Petition was for CRoyal Highness the Prince Regent, it had undergoneie abolition of the present ' 1 sufficient discussion while the Household 13111 was. monopoly of the East-India Company, he ssi,hed to be informed whether the Right Hon. Gentlem a n h a d ' passing through the H ouse , t h en was am pl e employ it in contemplation to renew their Charter? i ment for it. He had to observe, that exclusive of the I The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER allowance to the P-: of W - which .EQ raid, that alter the recess he should submit a propo sition upon the subject for the consideration of the House. _'rincess i ales, Wk, , was £17"0, that sum, not as was supposed, including £3OOO for pin money. His Royal Highness had pai I her debts to the amount of &HMO. The re- SECOND LIVERPOOL PETITION. 1 venue, moreover, adverted to was now in the It aids General TA RLE TON brought up a Petition f r om of Commissioners for th e p ur p ose o f liquidating =- the Mayor and Corporation 01 Liverpool, to th e same. fain demands on hi s R o y a l Hi g h ness . effect as the former, which was ordered to lie upon' Mi. WHITBREAD contended, that there would the table, and be read. he much greater propriety in a grant to her Royal coLLEOE OP MATNOOTH. . Highness tile Princess of Wales than in many of those Sir JOHN NEWPORT said, he would move for ! which hid been recent ly ma d e f rom t h e Ci v il Li st . documents, to prove, that a Right H o n our: AL : G en - He animadverted,on the absurdity of holding ttn-th Haman opposite had asserted, that persons connected :that the Prince Re gent p a id h er d e b ts , %% b en he yeas with the College of Maynooth in Ireland had adop. , obliged to come to Parliament for means to pay his ted undue means tq make proselytes in the northern . own. He agreed with his Honourable Flictid as to part of that country. i the necessity of going into an inquiry, with respect Mr. Secretary RYDER said, he had never made . to the Funds which were to be burdened with the an assertion to that effect ; that he had indeed, in a ' provision for the Princesses, previous to a Committee, late discussion with respect to a new gr u nt f o r t h e and he should vote A c c or di ng ly. College of Maynooth, lamented that the seminary had Mr. CREEVEY'S amendment was then put, and ever been endowed, inasmuch as it affoeiked facilities negatived with Out a divi s i on . for making converts in the more partiitilarly protes- The House hivin g th en reso l ve d i tse lf i nto a cant connties in Ireland. • • ; Committee, Sir JOHN NEWPORT then expresses hi s rea - The CA.NCELLCIR of the EXCHEQUER dines., to mike the asserti.ai of tile Right HOnourable said, the House was aware of hoW the Princesses Gentlt man, as re-stated by bimtelf,the ground of his stood now, with respect to Parliamentary grants. motion, and was proceeding in it accordingly ; but By a former arrangement, a sum of 430,0U0 had neon tie interference of the SPEAKER on a point been allotted f'r their establishment, on the 'de of order, satisfied himself with giving notice of it tut' mite of his Majesty, which was to remain undimi. t t., -MOM yf. - • • , aisbed in the event of any of then] dying, so long thousar ROYAL CANAL IN IMAM% - I U any of their respective shares fell s} on .ort a t Some conversation took place between Me. D. thousand pounds ; and ip the event of ee e • starv e et GiuDY and Mr. W. Poen, with respect to whet had 1 oaly being left, she was to have twelve 4-- reland ; chiefly as 110 use was the virtual demee of his Maj esty , 04 t passed pn a former occasion in the House, relative to t The ~ _ basis of the proposal n ew su b mitted to the the state of inland navigation in I to the above brfinch of it. it terminated in Mr. i the four Princesses now living it was desig ne d to gi be ° Poet's assuring the Honourable Gentleman, that be I te9,000 rer annum each, which would make the the :SLOW which they n ew 1 1 .; ~g - would would be ready to impart every eatisfeetery informa e , gregate of et'efe,ouo, tion after the holidays, from the Civil List, and which was held at ple. e . ' COLON EL &PM A PfON * s A PPCINTMEN T. not included. The it 36,000 were to be granted % re ' Mr. WARD desired to know from the Right Ho. a principle of survivorship s'milar to that of the f or : noutable Gentleman opnosite;what were the nature p mer grant ; that was, the Princesses were to have the of the employment recently conferred on Colonel whole sum among them till it amounted to co mb now proposed, he conceived, would meet the *pew! M'Mahnn ? What were the duties connected with each, and the ulttrnAte survivor was to have, i s e t he left necee e it, and what the salary e end from what fund paid ? the former. case, tEl2,eelo. Whatever addieo n Ir a The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER. said, that the s a l ar y wou ld b e th e same as w as en, bation of the House. There was at present ne tiros joycd by a former occupant cf the office, Colonel bability that their Royal Highnesses would qui t t e e Taylor ; and asylum in which they had hitherto remained; bud out of Mr. WARD pressing-his question with respect to considering the period of life they had reached, i k would be improper that they should the duties of the o ffi ce, The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER rily connected with a family which it might pessible said, that he conceived the name of the o ffi ce, Psi- be their inclieatinn to leave, or, at least, be absen t' vete Secretary to his Majesty, ought to sufficiently from it for a time, whatever might be the m"outoet.i. explain its deties. their absence. Ile would proceed to move a reeil u ., Mr. WHITBREAD asked, whether there had 1 tion, " That a sum not exceeding ASo,(100 be gram. been any such office in existence previous to the ie.! ed to his Royal Highness the Prince Regele, the allowanee firmity of his Majesty ? and being answered in the 1 the Consolidated Fund, including the 4 4000 grant. ed on a former occasion, in order to form a p rov i l i ost . negative, he asked further, whether the o ffi ce, when 1 held by Colonel Taylor, was considered as one of i for their Ru) al Highnesies the Plincesses, e State, and front what fund the salary was paid ? 1 Elizabeth, Mary, and Sophia." he would not, The CHA \CELLO Kof the EXCHEQUER 1 Mr. TIERN EY said, that including accounted fur the continuance of the office, as an 1 from the Civil List, the Princesses would have cac't office of State in the person of Colonel M'Mahon, by an income of 113,000 per annum ; stating, that the increased business of the Crown was however, contend, that it wai too much, but if th ee such as rendered it indispensable. lived together, and with his Royal Flightless, and Le Mr. WARD—Who advised the appointment ? , did • not see why they should not do so, considering The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER the affection which he had elways showed for theni, said, in reply /43 the foregoing question, that no par. it would' foun a splendid establishment. He hail ito ticular advice had been given. objection to its thing splendid, but he had every ob. Mr. WYNNE said, it would be a proper subject jection to the manner in which it u4s provided for, for the consideration of the House, whether Mem- He contended, that we were providing for it in such hers accepting of any office which was not strictly a manner that we did not know what we were tloing, defined to be of a private nature, should net vacate He would read from a paper he had in his hand, a their seats ; and likewise, whether persons could re- statement of the Civil List revenue and the allow. Limn their seats, holding certain offices under the ances to the Royal Family. They were as follows: Prince Regent, which they had held when he was - The Civil List, as in i 801 eveepre merely Prince of Wales. To which might be added the amount oft , The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER charges deducted from it 13.,,0N ). The adsiition of the present Session 124,0% declined deliveting his opinion on this subject, as it Allowance to the Royal Fany'y was nut befine the House. '1 he • nay of Lancaster. IOBXO Pornwall (say) .. ..... ... l SAM PRO VISION FOR. TILE PRINCESSES. The Vote' of this Sesbion to the Rrgent VIA% On the Order of the Day being read for a Com- the mme turn granted to pay otf intuutbramm . 'two mittee of the whole House. to take into consideration Tie 43 per Cents. the Message of his Roy.il Highness the Prince Regent, Aui the vote now 1)144)4)3*d . , 36,1A9 respecting a provision fur their Royal Highnesses the Makin alt —, Princesses,g ogether nu leas a sum than ....AI oes, uoci He could not but think that nuliament cauli be • Mr. CIeEEVEY asked, if the Message related to much too hasty in making the proposed grant, if they money, and if ea, whether the present method of pro ceeding was regular ? did not first make some inquiry into the appropriei The SPEAKER referred the Hon. Member to tion of the Civil List ; nor could he l ose t h e upper. the Order of the House for a Committee. tunity of again cautioning' Parliament against the; adding, “ piecemeal" to that List. There WAS ance Mr. CREEVEY then expressed a wish that the "*" - observi they —aims which he could not but make. He did not understand why the Princess ti Wales tra4 not considdred as such ; and, consequently, as the consort of the Printe Regent, why she was not, in tact, the Queen ? It was true, he had heard sense whispers about separation, but they were not to re! gird whispers—that House knew nothing *twit! paration. The question still reverted, why did not the Princess of Wales act as the wile of the Priide Regent ? Al'hy were there no drawing-I.oms ? Why did not the country behold that splendour which in• variably attended the consort of the reigning Prince! Whispers certainly assigned some cause tor the* events ; and vet y possibly on gi.od grounds; but the House had no information on the subject. The Right Hohourable Gentleman oppi site (the Chancellor d the Exchequer) possibly might condescend to give some information on this interesting tact ; for be Imo a good deal on the subject.—( Near, hear, hear.) Hit thet to he had continued silent on these circumstances; and he could not but say, that Le very much disliked the sulky, sullen silence, that had been observed by. that Right j - lonourable Member. When such whis• pers were abroad--when. our Court was destitute el all the splendour which it *would have by the rano of a Queen—when such things wete the proteins features of the times, he thought it was too much fot the loudest champion the Priacess had, even to re• main in silence.—( Ilear, tear .') She vas the wire of the Prince Regent, but somehow or other she bui been most unaccountably passed by. Whether such conduct was just, he could not say .. ; but it certain', was very hard, behaviour towards the Public. H. should not give any objection to the motion, drik, he could not but lament that it was brought lONA with so little consideration. Mr. W. SMITH still retained the •opinitnnidd the giants to the Royal kamly, thereby klei r the Civil List most enormously, were toe . gant, considering the state of Sur country andel. ttnances. As to tl.e splendour of the Royal hap j he was not of opinion that the most ~ thinking" plc of EnKland set so hig h a value on it as the .onourable Gentleman (Mr. Tierney) was to belitve. Political freedom and 'civil 'iambi: more charms for them : they wishedfor sillsoow advantages, not splendid trifles. The Homo* Gentleman (Mr. Tierney) had said, that the Priolod of Wales ought to act as Queen. He :bound Dot. ter on that question, though Le could lax but up that it was very hard upon the public to hoe 10, Queens, in point of fact, without having theta° splendour and consequence of our Court. the ''''' ject ought to be postponed. Mr. PONSONBY should be compelled to la against the proposition, unless some Additional tub oration was given to them. He lamented tbel. plczity of the Chancellor of the Exchequees ist._. meut ; but the present proceeding went not co* increase the annuity that would tall so the Piinist l ' at the demist of the King, but to anticipate ii• . ...,u 1 the ground of its being an anticipatiun of Vie SLOW had been appropriated by Parliaolent, he sho ject to the proceeding. Besides, An additioa . • been made tc the Queen cf./EWA:OO, torment expences, but %here had they beheld Apy CZ II 4 expense ?' Now to be sure, the Prawnset to have a separate maintenance, then whereon!' occasion for an increase to the Queen '9 the that'she would be put to extra expenses by brig daughters to live with her? Thus Ministen sarily increased one grant, and were about War pate smaller. it the boons should aline to Or . • m will prcc N ply. that the 1 the that der I theii guni ted, NI eltej at th jorese carry, deigi Rues' cons as ti t him addit Irere i the R with i fc , ri rhe J ut hi. . e I stir opii b4v For he del( poli tent that the ee Rig told kne , bun iaT bugl Priv post' of di M that they took nve t i Thu) publi Cent thee itigh splen the il a WAS 1 M/ DOW'S Wig in all th ve ro 91