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I li. e PARLIAMBNTARr PROCEEDINGS. HOUSE OF LORDS, THURSDAY, JULY 3. The Royal Agent. by ComnaMon (the Arthbidsop of CANTIa- Loa• CYAN onto', and Lord WALIIMONAM, ring as Commilinnen) was given to the Affeffed Tarn, Mtla visit Licence, Revenue Resulatloa. Tortola Free Port, Prawn Yarn, aadfsvcal other Public and Private Bina ROYAL 1111113AGSS. Lord GRENVILLE brought down the Meffage which is ufually fent by his Majefty, previous to the dote of the Sefton, preparatory to the demand of a Vote of Credit.—Ordered to be taken into confider- ation to MOI row. His Lord(hip alfo brought down a Menge from his Ma'sfly, recommending that the pennon of toool. upon the frill ERahliffiment granted to the cele brated Admiral Lord Rodney, fhould be continued to his Grandfon, the prefent Lord Rodney.—Or deted to be taken into confideration tomorrow. His Lordfhip next' moved the Order of the Day, For taking into conficieration the Marne which he bad the hi•nour of bringing down yefterday. The Mefrage having been read from the Wool fad, and by the Clerk at the Table, Lord GRENVILLE obferved, that the Meßage naturally refnived Well into two parts; one went to remedy the defea in the Aft of 1778 ; the other to enable his Majeßy to make force provifion for the Younger Branches of the Royal Family. it was nor until lately that the defea in the former AR had been difcovered. it was the death of his Royal Highnefs the late Duke of Gloucefter which direa edolmattention of Government to it, the provifinn for whom remained charged upon the old fund, in- Read of the confolidoted fond, as intended by the Aill-0.17711. Parliament, he was perfuaded, would on feet n reluaance to remedy this defea. As little ion, he was confident, there would be to make a t able provifion for the younger branches of the It. 'al Family. The fupport of the Monarchy was knore a principle of the Conditution than the proper maintenance of every part of it. It was not ontrneceffary that the Throne fhould be maintained with" due fplendour, but that force portion of that fplitidour (hoold fall upon thole who were fo inti mately conneaed with that ellablifhnaent. Their Lordfhips mull be convinced, that a fum which thirty years ago might have been amply fufficient for the fupport of that rank which it was fitting a junior branch of the Royal Family thould enjoy, would be wholly inadequate to that purpofe at prefent. The increafe in the value of every neceffary of life, the alteration in the flyle of living which could not efcape their Lordfhips' obfervation, and the decreafe in the value of money, mull imprefs on the mind of every Noble Lord who heard him, the neeetlity of increat ing the provillon eftablifhed by the Aft of 177 P. The neceffity of the meafure he would more fully detail when the Bill thould come berme tile Houfe ; in the mean time, he would move, that an humble Addrefs be prefented to his Majefty, thanking him for his moll gracious Meffage, and affuring him that st fhould meet with the earließ attention of the Houfe. Agreed to, running efifentiente. ♦ICCINI INOCULATION. The Earl of SUPPOLK took occafion to make a few remarks on the above &Nat. He expreffed his happinefs at what had taken place with refpc& to it in the other Houfe of Parliament, which he trufted, would tend finally to do away (and to which etre& he was ambitious of contributing his mite), thofc ill-founded impreffions which obtained againtl that ufeful and falutary pratice, originating in certain feurrilous pamphlets, and the affertinns of interefled individuals. The praetice was grown into extenlive ufe upon the Continent. With refpea to Spain, particularly, he had the authority of an of- Seer of high rank in that fervice, to Rate, that the vaccine inoculation was highly eßeemed there, and encouraged by the Government, fo far, that in all the Royal Ordonnanre:, its worthy author was ftyled, " the immortal Inner!" He had nothing now to propofe, but wa. to fully impreffed with the import ance of the topic, that he could not avoid thus troubling their Lord hips. The 13111 s upon the table, chiefly private, were then forwarded in their refpative Rages. After which, their Lot &hips adjourned till to-morrow. HOUSE OF COMMONS. At three o'clock the Black Road &fired the immediate attes diner of the Houfr, to hear the Royal Agent given by cotnntiSon to fcveral public and private Aft.. The SPF.AKFR on his return acquainted the Houle, that the Houk bad heard the R./al Agent given by cammliSon to leveret public and private Ads (for which fee Report of the Lords). The SPLAKFR then informed the Houle, that George Davis, who had complained, by petition, of an undue Hee-lion for the county of Writ ford,had not entered into a recognizance to pay the expellees of th.• opporlie party, if the Petition mould be found to be frivolous and trzatious, In terms of the Statute. The order for tailing the Ind petition into cookie:anion, was therefore aarged. AAAAA CRS. Mr. ROB ON obferved, that as the papers moved for by the Secretary at War wsre not yet in the hands of the Members, it would be neceffisty tor hint to withdraw ho motion refpedline Barracks In the Ille of Wight, .1 , 4. the deign of mentioning an early day next w. ek to the motion 'rim Dill for continuing the inland Navigation Coal Conveyance Adt was read • Grit time. Mr. VA wirrrAßT brought up accounts of the (urns of atm nay paid out of the Civil I.la,puriamot to Addict:lca of the Houle, for Ave years Mr. 14081i0U3iz. brought up the it efolution of the Commit hre granting a certain bounty on the expostation of oil of vitriol ; g ip, the Itefolutions of the Committee. granting certain Cams our of t.c balances of the tuckired Oates its Scotland ; and af. 4 ...Ards, the Itefidutions the Committee of Supply,granting cerePt fume to Ow Eaft India Company, for Army Hatriwrdinaries in England god Ireland, and for purchaling lands at CLatharst, Re. Bill, were ordered to be brought In, putfuant to molt cat the Refolutions. 'I he Weßnsinftcr Hall A Improvement bill was read a fecond time The Affefrcd Taxes Alloy/seer Bill, and the !rifts Poor Relief Bill, were read edited time and gaffed Mr. HOBHOUSE bought up the Refultathwt of the Commit- tee of Ways and Means for rafting a Supply fur the year by tray of Lottery. and a Bill was ordered to be brought In purfuant to the fad inn. Mr. PANI !TART moved for Inve to bring In a Bin to WaLle the Treafrit7 to iffue Pechequer Bills on the credit of fuck aids as ant have been ground by Parliament (or 11106,—leave granted. Mr. VANSIT PART then mewed for leave to Mug In a Bill for ametulin the Quarantioe ALI of left Sells n, w hick though drawn ry with goret sate, hod pit bait found defedlivc In tome yard- Waft. SIT J. NEWPORT obferved, that the Quarantine Laws of Ire lanai &lend fnenewhat trout thof.: of this country, and thought it dearark to allinillate them as fan as poffible. I his, however, on account of Ike latenefs of the relent Sefflon, It would be nerd fat y to deft r to loom Incur, opportunity.—leave was thengraided. On the inmion Id' Mr. PANSITTART, it was ordered, that the t.ufc rcistlyc Wadi, to-morrow, into a Conguiltice on 114 tottery Limes Duty, and silo on the Mika on Hops. Crown Glafs, and Tiles, imported from Ireland ; and, on Monday next, into a Coin initee on t►e Malt Duty Aft. The Hook, in a Committee, went through the Greenwich Cbeft Bill, the Greenwich Hapital Bill, and the Ordnance Lands BBL— The Reports were ordered to he received to-morrow. The Repert of the Land Tar Commiflionere Name, and the Earl of Ormond's Agreement Bills, were brought up, and eedered to be read a fecond time to morrow. An Account of the mt Revenue of the ceded provinces of Oude, face the Treaty of Lucknow, in act , was prefraited, and ordered to be printed. - - - - TRAINING BILL. Mr. WINDHAMthe; moved the order of the day for the farther confideration of the Report of the Training Bill. The order being read, Mr. WINDHAM raid, that he wifhed the Bill to be now recommitted, for the purpofe of retlifying ft vend errors. He therefore moved its re committal. Mr. RYDER wifhed to know the intention of the Right Hon. Secretary, whether he meant to get rid of the debate on the Report, and put it off till the third reading, by his prefent motion ? Mr. WINDHAM replied, that he had no fuch in tention. A re-committal might take place, the Re port might be forthwith received, and, in the collide of a few minutes, the Houfe might enter upon the further confideration of the Report. The SPEAKER obferved, that there were two diflin& flages in which the debate might take place, either on the queflion that the re-commitment be agreed to ; or the quellion, that the Report be taken into further confideratton. The bill was then re-com mitted, and feveral amendments were made, and the Report was ordered to be received forthwith. MESSAGES FROM HIS MAJESTY. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER brought down two Menges from his Majeny. The firft was to the following of of : " Application having been made to his Majefty, that the penfion of lON I. a you on the kith Eilabhlhment, enjoyed by the late Lord Rodney, amid, in ennfideration of the eminent ferviees of the firft Lord Oeo. BridgewßoJney, be continued to the preterit Lord Rodney, during hi. life ; and his Majefly being favourable to the application, recommends to his faithful Commons to confi der the beg mode of teeming the Paid penfion to the pretest Lord Rodney, daring the time of his natural life." The fecond MelTage was as follows: " His Mikity relying on tee experienced seal and station of his faithful Commons, and canfidering it dcGrabk to provide for any emergency that nosy arife, recommends to his faithful Com mons to take fuch matures as may appear to them neeeffsry to enable him the beuer to defend his pea:flow from the de*gm of the enemy, and to provide for fuch exigencies as may mite It was ordered, on the motion of the CHANCEL LOR of the EXCHEQU ER. that both his Majef ty's molt gracious Melfages Ihould be taken into , confederation to-morrow, The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER gave notice, that he fhould to-morrow move forleave to bring in a Bill to amend the AA fur confolidating the lass relating to the redemption of the land tax, and to exempt from the land tax all chatitableinfti tutions and (mall Church livings. SUSPENSION OF THI MILITIA BALLOT. Mr. WINDHAM moved the order for the third reading of the Militia Ballot Sufpcnhon Bill. Sir W. ELFORD, confidering it to be univerfally allowed and etlablithed on the opinions of the mull able Officers, that the Militia was a moll excellent defenfive force, and confidering the ballot as the only effectual mode of keeping it up, was averfe to In large a fufpention of it as that contained in this Bill. He reprefented the advantage of being able to call out fo large a force as the Militia at once, at the breaking out of a war, and the impropriety of Wl ing any odium on the ballot, or fuffering it to fall into dilute ; for the ballot was the only means by which Co large a militia could be kept up. He was defirous i that the benefit of the ballot ffiould fill be allowed, at leaf to thofe regiments that may be re duced below their compliment ; for the bounty could never, in his opinion, be effedual towards re cruiting the Militia. Mr. WINDHAM thought the propriety of re ellablithing the ballot, if at a future .time that mould kern fit, remained unprejudiced. With refped to the pollible deficiency of fume regiments, Co as to render the ballot neceffary to recruit them, he pro- poled to meet that by a elude, giving a power to. the Crown to enforce the ballot in fuch cafes when it ' mould teem fit. Sir W. ELFORD would have preferred a legit. lathe provilinn to a difcrelionary power in the Crown. But his objeetion was certainly in fome degree met by this provifion. The Bill was paired with a clanfe to the effed defcribed by way of rider. 714•INING BILL. The Report of the Committee on the Training Bill was brought up. On the queftion that the Amend ments be read a fecond time, Sir HENRY MILDMAY obferved, that whether the reports about negociations for peace were true or falfe, it was certain that we ought to have a confi derable force on font. A general damp had been thrown upon the fpirits of the Volunteers. But he ohjelled to this meafore, firft, becaufe it could not be carried into execution without the groffefl breach of faith to the country. He had fupported the Bill cf 1803 on account of the Hate of affairs at that time. But a ((Avian pledge had been given to the country that the proviii ins of the Ad fhorild not be enforced if a cc, t in number of volunteers enrolled themfelve:. This Bill violated the pledge fo given. Ile opp-dcd the Bill alto on another principle. It was a heavy tax on the poorer claffes, which it had been the policy of the Noble Lord oppofite (Petty), to exempt as much as poffible, and to make the bur den fall on the rich. He alto objeaed to it on ac count of the injustice of its operation. Why. was it not extended to Scotland ? Were the Scotch eat to be nulled, or were their coatis not expofed toinva fion Scotland ought certainly to bear its pan of the burden. He approved of the ballot, but as to the conflable, he could not fee what could be the life of fuch a perfon at the drills. He concluded by moving that the word am fhould be left out, and the words Mir day dere months fubßituted in its Read. Mr. EYRE objected to the Bill, becaufe it was on. neceffary. We ought only to retort to compulfion in the lad infante—Canna pier trwieeda. At prefent we could have a fufficient :somber of volunteer:. He adverted to the injury which the labour of the coun try would Main from withdrawing fuch a number of men from it for sie days in the year. As to the Volunteers, he believed they would be completely dearoyed by this armature. The Volunteers relieved their dillrifts, but under this Bill the tyriein would bare a contrary effee, for the youni„ the :relive, and thole who had moll time to fpare, would avoid the ballot by going into the Volunteers, and itiln it to fall upon others. The Right Hon. Gentleman cam plained of having been mifreprefented, it might be fo, but how could he explain away the laical - in in this Bill, which reckoned 3cr0,000 Volunteers as nothing ? This was one firearm on the Volunteers which be could sot by any ingenuity explain away. If, how. ever, he adopted the claufe propofed by the Right Hon. Gentleman below (Yorke), which want to re licee the counties from the Mai in proportion to the number of Volunteers, his objections would be in a great meafure done away. Mr. WILLIAMS ether), whether, in the prefent fituation of the country, we were to give Minillers no credit for raving five millions in three years ? This meafure did not dellroy the volunteer fyllem, but put it on its original footing; for it was well known that, at firfl, die Volunteers were accepted only on condi tion of clothing themfelves. Much as he regretted the lois of the late great Minifter ; much as the coun try had to lament him ; much as he deplbred his death—yet, while the meafures of the prefent Mini. liry went to promote ceconomy and the real intereiks of the country, as he thought they bad for the moll part hitherto done, they Ibould always have his warm approbation and cordial fupport. Mr. FONBLANVE fupported the Bill. He denied that it could have any fuch tendency as that of putting down the Volunteer Synero. He thought it was the bounden duty of his Majelly's Minillers to take every precaution for fecuriog the country againk the danger of an invafion ; and with that view, to avail themfelves in the utmoft extent of the phyficiff force of the country, and to render that force efficient by a timely training, inftead of waiting until theta!! moment, when abfolute neceffity mould demand dm Levy ex Mali, and when they midi be affembled as a tumultuous, confufed, and difordetly rabble, infield of trained men fit to be attached to and all with re. lular regiments. The Hon. Gentleman had Paid, that the Volunteer fpirit of the country had been damped. He would take them at their words; and if their own affertions were true in this point, they offered the ftrongell argument for adopting this Bill, which, fo far from depreffing, would fupport the Volunteer Syßem, and in all events time the coun try againa the mifchief which mull relish from the Volunteers choofing, if they Could ever do fo, to withdraw their Cervices, and defers their Randers's. His Right Hon. Friend felt, they bad a right by the term of their let vice to do fo, and it was his duty to be prepared againd it, by a meafure which would fecure to the country soo,coo trained men, in cafe of emergency. Colonel BASTARD complained that the milliner was brought forward without any climate of its pro. bible expense, or any ground whatever upon which even to Ruth what it would cofi. or how many men would be induced to train under it. There did not' appear even a chance, that 1-4th of the number of sochooo men would be fecured by it, as every man who could pay the fine, would, no doubt, exempt him(elf from the fervice. He (harked the Bill for its compulfory principle, and was convinced, that the yeomanry of this country would, at any time of pub lic danger, be more ready to at under the direction of their landlord, and the gentlemen of the country, than under any compulfive fyftem like this, the effea of which would be to render them folky and difcon. tented. The Hon. Colonel took occalinn highly to commend the fpirit and liberality of the Duke of Nor thumberland, in arming and training at his own ex. pence, the tenantry on his elate, who, he was con vinced, would be found to all in the day of danger, mulct an illullrious branch of the Houle of Percy, as a Theban band ;" and he verily believed, like their brave *ocelots, the fifteen hundred valiant bow men at Chevrchace, (Mould they come to encounter any enemy in their native land that " The child may nit that is unborn " Thefightiffr of that day!' General LO F FITS was convinced of the neceffity of the Bill, and only willed it had gone much far ther. It was neceffary to ufe every exertion which the phyfical force of the country afforded for feat rity at home, in order to enable us to a& with effect abroad. Our chief danger from invafion lay in the vaR extent of our coals; and he would venture to affert, that if our armies were double or treble their prefent numbers, they would not be fufficient to en- Cure our fecurity without fuch a meafure as this.— Let it be recollated, that though our fleets at prefent command the feat (and he hoped ever would do fo) yet it might happen not always to be the cafe; and even with all the force and vigilance by which we were guarded, yet one night might waft to our Chores a formidable enemy. To encounter fuch an enemy, on the WI alarm, he could with to Ice the population of every town, village, and ditlri& in the realm ready trained, and fit to march at a moment's warning. He could with to fee them properly clef fed for the purl:ore, and he confidered fuch a plan perfatly Practicable, from what he had hen of the populace in Ireland at the time of the rebellion, and how formidable a force they compofed,and only with pikes. The fame might be done with the populace here, or a great portion of them. When he fecal le&ed the important fervices performed by the Vo lunteers of Ireland in that rebellion, and that they had, by their loyalty and valour, Caved the country to England, he could never be toppled to under value the Cervices of Volunteers, in recommending the training of fuch a force as he defcribed. But thefe men every where armed, and ready to form on any part of the coals againti an enemy, aided by de tachments of artillery, before Volunteer'', quartered In towns, could be got together in force, mull he of important fervice. As to the practicability of a for midable invafion fuddenly, and in (hips of war, he had a proof before his eyes ; for being quartered Yarmt.uth Come years fince ' when Admiral Duncan commanded a fleet in the North Sea, that gallant Commander came into part, and Cwept the tea of all the Dutch Hiring boats in his way, to prevent their giving intelligence of his return to port. By &fire of the Admiral, he bad marched down his prelim to the water'. edge, in order to try how many men each, of 'bore (chops wele capable of conveying; and he found that each boat could conveniently carry fifty. five fi;liting men, with their arms, ammunition, and knapfacks. Of fuch boats the Dutch have many thou rands in their ports, employed in the fitheries or in initiggling to our coals, of which they know every creek where a landing might be elated, and every Ihoal and land bank over which their boars would flaat at any given time of the tide, with perfect fafety. Seeing this to be the cafe. and knowing it to be the firm opinion of Admiral Duncan, that the landing of an enemy in fuch a way eat predicable, he conie not feel the country fecure againft danger, even with all the proteelinn of our formidable fleets at feat and, therefore, he thought our force at home could not be ton formidable : for this reafon he highly approved of the Bill. Dr. MATHEWS conGdered the meafure before the Houle as unneceffary and injurious. It was fin- gular, he obferved, that Gentlemen on the other Gde talked of the expenditure of millions as of a matter of infignificanee, and yet they relied upon economy as the great recommendation of their cootie of pro. ceeding with refped to the Volunteers. The Hon. Gentleman remarked upon the facility with which the prefent Minißers contrived to change their pain. ciples with their places. Mr. G IL ES vindicated the char ader of the meafure under confideration, to which, he maintained, the charge of involving any breach of faith towards the Volunteers was totally inapplicable. This affertion the Learned Gentleman (Whined by referring to the I my ea 114# Ad, from which the charge was profef. fedly deduced, and alto to the circular lever from the Secretary of State, which was publdhed fubfequent to that Ad. From both he inferred, that nothing like a permanent pledge was given that if a certain number of Volunteers offered for any &aria, facia diflria thould be uniformly exempted from the ope ration of any meafure of the nature of that before the • Houfe. Mr. R. RYDER contended that the operation of this meafure would be to reduce the Volunteers to a Rate of degradation and inefficiency. The delicacy • lately profited for that gallant body. which led to a certain claufe in the Bill before the Houle, proceeded entirely from a defire to reduce Tome part of the un popularity attaching to this meafure, and by no means from any refpea or eßeem for thole corps. Mr. C. WYNNE replied to the lan Speaker, and maintained, notwithflanding all the Houle bad heard of local influence, that people who should be called I upon in the boor of battle would go forth with much greater alacrity under the command of perfons whom they fhould know to be verfed in military bufinefsp, than under the diroftion of thole with whom they ' might happen to be perfonally acquainted or locally conflated. Sir IL LAWLEY had Come clanks to propofe, which he had no doubt would be very agreeable to the Volunteers, as they had in view the arrangement and improvement of their difcipline. The SPEAKER foggeßed to the Hon. Baronet, that this was not the proper time to propofe loch claufes. Lord KIRKWALL afferted, that the opinion which the Volunteers had been naturally induced to form, as to the views of the Right Honourable Au thor of this Bill. bad (erred materially to damp their zeal and diminifh their numbers. In fupport of this affertion the Noble Lord Rated, that he had the honour to command a corps of Volunteers, which confined of 460 effeaive men, twelve months ago, but which at the laft mutter returned no more than to. A (miler reduaion was, be apprehended, to be generally looked for, from the language and projeas of the Right Honourable Secretary. Lord DE BLAQUIERE could not imagine any thing morealford than the propofition of an efficient levy, for which neither officers nes adequate infirm* tion was provided. Lord BINNING called upon the Learned Load on the minillerial bench (the Lord Advocate of Scotland) Who was not prelent on a former evenieg ffi when this meafure was under difeoon, to Rate Ms opinion upon the propriety of extending it to Scot. land. If there was any benefit in the meafure, the Noble Lord could not conceive that. upon any principle of fairnefs, Scotland Mould be refuted a participation of it ; and if it were a burthen, he did not think it fair that it Ikould be confined altogether to England. There were many parts of Scotland to which this Bill would be as applicable as to this gouts* try, and there was no danger of its meeting any fuch oppofition as the execution of the Militia Law formerly did. But that oppofition was not, in fart, the circa of the Militia, but of that dilatation to the Government which, he was happy to think, anis now no more. The LORD ADVOCATE was furprifed at the line of conduit adopted by his Noble Relation, who 1 had jut fat down, and thofe who ailed with him.... , They maintained, that this meafure would Involve a breach of faith, and an invafion of the King's pre rogative; would be productive of great expense and opprelfion ; and yet, Paid they, " give a (bare of this abomination to Scotland." (A laugh.) They had been abufing the Bill for Come weeks, alerting Otia" it would lead to confufion, and pull down the Volun teers; and yet, with all their profeffed regard for Scotland and the Volunteers, they would have the (cope of its operation extended. As to the opport tion to the Militia Law, which had been alluded to by his Noble Relation, and which had been 'fretted to proceed from difaffeltion, he was not difpofed to come into that opinion. He was aware that difaf feEtion was often flatted to prevail very generally in Scotland, and that he himfelf was &retitled as one of the difaffeeed. But if he was dirdrated then, he was to fill. For he held no principle at that time ; which now, in the King's fervice, did not remain perfeetly unchanged (a loud cry of hear! hear ! from the Minjfierial Benches), and they Ilould ever continue , fo (a renewed cry of bear! hear!). Bat to return to the oppofition which at the outlet the militia law met with in Scotland, that oppofition did in lift vile from the general mil - conception prevailing of that law, and the pride and arrogance of tome perfons in that country, who would not condercenel to commu nicate with the lower orders, and explain to them its °Nee and provifions. It that law had been properly underfood, he ventured to Cay, that it would have experienced no refinance whatever. In the diflrie where he refided, the law was fully explained to the lower orders, and therefore it was carried into exe cution without any attempt even at oppofition. With regard to the Bill under eonfideration, the Learned Lord confered himfelf anxious that its principles Mould be extended to Scotland, and this opinion he had already communicated to its Right Hon. Author. But yet he would not defire the pretent Bill to be Co extended, as in many of its parts it was inapplicable to that country. He would rather with to bring in a feparate Bill upon the fallen, and he would pledge himfelf to prepare fuch a Bill in 48 hours as Ihould be perfectly adapted to Scotland. The Learned Lord alerted that the former Levy ea Ma& AS was quite inipraliticable is ketlaad, and he concluded .__...,.. - Al=irilliiiMi