Star. — London, England, 1829-03-06 00:00:00

~~.1[~f+..0 ~~?~ z • , . ...„,:,:... . -, • ... 7 1- . • - ',l -. .1 : .:- • ' - : ... - - 1° - ‘ • • .7'. . _ • . • . / " 4 . ..-t S N UMBRIt 13,110.] IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. HOUSE OF LORDS. KAMM 5. the-Rati of 6,Axas. u) took. the mths and Ids mg. " T e •Royal ameitt.was .given by Commission toils* Bill for Mp %wombs Illegal aed.Dangerous Associations is kriland. The Com elhaPllll were, the Luau Cstaticeman,the /Mot Eindrvamov, and card • Ett.asinoaoutut. The *Duke of CUMBERLAND-presented a Petition from place in the county of Wilts against the Roman Catholic Claims, The Earl of - ALBEMARLE presented a similar Petition from, fhe borough of Great Yarmouth, in the county of Norfolk. Lard KING presented lie Petitions in favour of the emboli* Minis from places In the counties of Lancaster, Durham, and Celt, and failepetitions against the Vestry and Sob-letting Ades, from places in the counties of Cork and Westmeath. Ike Earl of ESSEX presented two Petitions of a similar chit-. racier from the Protestant Dissenters of Woueeter„ and frees the Catholic Inhabitants of a place in the county of Heath. and two petitions from the latter county for the repeal of the Vesuy Act ar.'d the Sulklettlng Act. The Earl of DARNLEY presented a Petition in favour of• the Catholic Claims from a place in the county if Durham, and nine petitions do similar character kom places In the cation ot.i.ao- Caitiff. • lord- DE DUNSTANVILLE presented -a simile: Petition from the Coolie& inhabitants of a pariah in-CoresealL Tito Karl of LONSDA LE removed eleven . Petitions against the Ntholic Claims Irmo Anthieskle. in Vestsnorsiallat frodk• the Magistrates, Clergy, and inhabitants of the Iltwn Pf White- Lamso:milks" pbouvisi the Coandsid Coinherlarfrant Lk& miter. - • • • ••., • ." 4 /liir Earl of ELDON presented - two *tear Petitions from Glasgow, one being from the Corporation of Weavers in tbatzlty; and a Petition from tee - town and neighbouchoilil of She:skid, signed by MOOD of the Inhabitants. Earl FIIZ W I LLI Aed presented a Petition' from Shelia! in. • favour of the Catholic Claims. - Lord WHARNCLIFFE recommended the Pcition off his Noble Mead (Earl Flopwilliam) to the attention of the and hose testimony to the high character sustained by. his Noble Friend, whose Me bad been deyot:d to the measure which .4aa about to be introduced by hPnraters, anti which he hoped he would live to see carried tbrcugh in spite of all opposition. With respect to the test Petition from Sheffield, which a Z..lobk Earl bed presented, it bad originated at a meetinz called by persons of one opinion. and !Debbie only such as were of the same opialtm to nee(. Neither the master cutler, who was usually looked to OWar eases, nor any of the Maigstracy. were concerned in ce that meeting, and, thoulik tbere was a Magistrate in the Chair, he was not there in his Magisterial capacity. All the Awaken were Clem/awn, awl Wet a layman was permitted to open his mosth ; as individual %rho attempted to do so was • Otopyed, and told that it was s `meeting on roe side. A few eye afterwards's mee.ing was held. which be considered really reprossottot the town ; it' was exiled by requisition, the resolutions wore pursed by 'apnea, and they were opposed by elergynien . Orte clergyman, to hie shame, pointed to the church in -witla they weft assembled, and asked the Midfielder, would they . hive a Protestant or a Pepiett King—would they have the church palled down and Shell daughters taken away. wader the pretence. of securing tLelr chastity.. to eon-veto? He confrs.cd he could not bear the clergy coming forward In this way.' They say that • spa exclusioe of the Catholic"s from peeler lithe sole prop of the Mciblished Cturek. He contended that this was net true, and that the IProtestent Church would endure m lung as it sontlgowd . w reign overProteteset affections. He would say, that if the clergy and Alte Church were intolerant, they would allooate the -Piot' vaunts dor:whom fie' would warn the clergy to look to the •• ekpertence of the last :warty-live years, and see if the security of the Establishment bad been coniktried.hy opposition. b was mat . pee y to attend to their conduct on the present occosion, to otitness the part *which they had taken, and be disgu.ted by. it. ••e had no fear, however, that the Nribk Duke, and the Govern. . • ; "same of Which he was the head,' . 'would retract' the prowiise that bod.been maderelative to the adjustment of the question.. As to - , .Site edition Of which he spoke, he could *hate. Abet it was not in the power at the clergy to do more fist it by sotleitation in his part of the country. 'The Bishop of LONDON said. that having had the nittfortuate to be in the House while the Noble Lord who had just sat down addressed their. Lordships, be felt himself compelled to say a few words in defence of a calumniated body of men. Ile • would silt, if the present occasion was the only one on which the titter of the Church of England were not to come forward to pc titian that House,' which Last always distinguished itself. and, he hoped, listoldP' cositinue to distinguish itself, as the guariii_ae oft e •ProtostanrConesiattiost? •He would make linitl - to say,That on flo !tenser measles had tiis petitions of the clett been olio, distitw salsbed by firmness and Moattation. He bullet yet presented any petition as to the Catholic titieuloo. Ittihad now ten ortvieltre to.presest, and he could•declatirthat they *ere molt moderate in their:tote. Would Noble Lords deny that a great inroad was me ditated on the Cons:Potion? Would they not admit that the pre sent wis a time that called for tie expression of opinion? and were tow clergy the only pumas that were to be debarred, as they vir tually.wers by caluntabs levelled against them, from delaying their 'sentiments with freedom? ' , to tar from the clergy being anxious to make their parishioners come forward, be believed their exec. trims Were generally directed to calming the agitation that prevailed • among thous; but he would add, that the miter:eat clergyman in the land bad as gaud a right to avdm his opinion as the nobbot Peer is that House—(Hear). Oae edergynaan haS informed him •lhat he had mademoured to calm his paridtionerb but they came forward le A body, and requested him to join in a petition to Par liareeni• agaiast granting concessions to the Catholics. This was one exalt*, and be had no doubt there were many such. He wished to know if there was anything let the nature of the choicel dice opposed to tbsee'investett with it doing as they had doer? If ,be (the Bishop of LonJOrt)' were favourable to what was commuoly called Catholic Eniartcipattuti s as be f wis kulisvn to be unfavourable to it, be would never atten(pt to emetlWr the light of opiuh?n, *bleb would on'y Same the ntore.viyidly for 'every indeavoue to eltinguish or ule.eure it. Such'etioduct is that- displayed by the Noble Lind, which he must say was not often exhibited ou tbet l Ode of the li,use, would tend to exasperate the people, and would make them come f o rward for their clergy, whole influence oven' them was etplaily powerful and rational. 'Having himself the ho nour of being one of their number, he had felt called upon to da (.ml them from calumny. . Lord KlNti said that the Noble Ltird (Wharngliffe) had stated, in speaking on the . Petition. that all the speakers et the meeting were Clergymen, and that they would not allow laymed . urnbeheard. At'tbe present time, and at all times, the Clergy' ad been most forward in a factious oppose. ion to Government. They had .endrovoureil, at the time to Dr. Sacheverell, to prevent the sue eesaion of the present Hotpot of Hanover; they bad next joined hi thy •• No Popery" cry ; aid now he believed they were,first in exciting the people to petition ou the same subject. T'se Earl of ELVON said, that they . would never be able to approach the important question about to come before tbutn as they ought issapproach it, if every petition was made the sttiumi of debate. As to the petition which he bad presented, would only say that it bad been agreed to at a meeting expre tatted for the purpoie; end, if persons adverse to it had torruded themselves, ;hose who presided bad a right to cause them to be . Silent. .He did nor confider it a lit time to occupy their Lsedebips' attention; and as to the wedge' of the Clergy. he Weak! ass IN ens word more than this—that the Clergy of 'lnstead would have ettetimally disgraced tbemselveslf they bad hot declared their own and cotiotenattmel Mai, parishioners In terming theirs, 4 ' iQ the judicious way which they had dome, to that Hoose.-(Hear)., 'lke time would come when, if Netik Lords examined their Pet'. Cods, they wbuld Coincide with him in what he now said, and would admit that they redbunded to their credit, If, instead of reasoning en them, they would read them. The petition which he bad pre vended from Sbellield and its neighbourhood he had said was signed by a loge body of the inhabitants...tad this had remained titian. twe'red. As to win a Noble Lord Sill 'stated r especting the mas ter etethr's strtborirf to call public myedngi,he would my, that that kidWldsal had no aline right to do so than any other. Lskd WHA IiNCLIFFE iakl, in reply, that the whole district from which both petitions came contained no more than about WOOD Inhabitaits, and be could not see how so large a number of essrletbres could he obtained. He was willing to admit, however, timothy great majority of. English Protestants were adverse co the atlssolie Globus , nonsetkally speaking; but he contended. on the ether band, that Ilia Intelligence and respectability of the Wally" were in favour of their...-tteatopi laid upon the table. Lott COLCHESTER presented Petitions against the Catholic aches frees the Borough of Cititheeter, from the lidtabitanu of :51: 1 1111 the Rees aCiatbowi, from Processor pil ts Ems, foses Oa loose who 00404 oddm. . . • :. • see ter rd int r fig As, mg* I. ~s • , )41 1 : ; 6, i* FRIDAY EVENLNG, MARCH 6, 1829.. na Duke of GLOCCEETER preunted a Pedtkui is favour °relit Catholic adilllS from tie Mayor and CorPt.ratlon of Porta mouth; said a similar oae from the Mayor and Corporation of Gloucester. The Bishop of DURV A M presented a Petition from the parish 9f St. Martin, is the city of Durham, against the Catholic Claims ; and a similar Petition from the Magistrates, Clergy; Shipowners, &t. of the town of Sunderland and Bishop Wearmouth. The Bishop of BATH and WELLS presented nine Petitions of a similar character from parishes and district, in the county of Somerset. The Duke of RICHMOND, in presenting two Petitions of the same character front places in Norfolk, expressed his sincere grati 'dation at the conduct of the F.ngiish Clergy, who were supposed to have inducements to follow Government. The Earl of MORLEY presented a Petition from Freeholders of the county of Devon in favour of the Catholic Claims. 'The Bishop of LONDON presented Petitions against the Ca. tholic Claims from the Clergy oldie Arcbdeacoory of Middlesex: from the Clergy of the Arcbdeaconry of Colchester; front the' Minister and Congregation of a Chapel In Bethnal-green; sosiPlesim other places; In all'ten petitions. Lord WHA RNCLINFE presented I Pethloo front the Lord Mayor, Aldermen, and Common Colwell of the City of London, in favour of the ilsolle Claims. L The Bishop of LLANI)AVF presented an adverse Petition 7rons the inhabitants of. 'Janda". The Karla HA RRO .11Yisresented a Pe ttit:on to femme's./ the Claims from; L7StaYurdshire. • .r. A The Earle ELDO prosonted fifty-Moe ?Adonis agahnefura that cremeseires he the Roman emboli" from the t...Nwporadoe of Lancaster; &on the bdiattitants of Litacassert from Wolverhamp ton ; frein three paridses In the town of Cambridge; from the Car.' poratiooof Weavers in Glasgow frk/m che - Protestant inhabitants of thetemn of Keady, county of Arntatb, ;:e. Ike —Ordered :o hems the table. h The Earl of W INCH ILS E A pos'ponea his motion for the Re. 1 tern of the number. of the Roman Catholic Clergy of Great Britain and Ireland, &c. with the understanding that be reserved the right of bringing it forward on a furore occasion. The Doke of NEWC ASTLE presented nineteen Petitions from slistrVu on.l parishes in Yorkshire. Denbighshire, cod Nottingham shire, against the claim; of the Roman Catholics. • The-Kari of SH A FTRSBURY presented two similar 'Petitions from pluses in the county of Norfolk. The House adjourned at HALf-PACT Snag O ' CLOCia HOUSE OF COMMONS. So early as ten o'clock in the morning, the staircase leading to the gallery was blocked up by persons waiting for adMisslon into the House, and they :entwined there nearly In a state of suffocation tin the doors were opened at six, and then the tu.h to obtain seats was tremendous. More than one half of those who had been re maining all the that in a state of anxiety were then compelled to go away disappoluted, the gallery having beeh filled to an over now In leas than two minutes after the order for opening the doors was given. Shortly before fear o'clock, the Senates attended the House of Lords, to hear the Royal Assent given to the DM for the Sup pression of Dangerous Associations in Ireland. On his return the Roll of the House was called over which occupied nearly an hour and a half, and at six o clock prec isely the doors were opened to strangers, when we found Mr. MANNING presenting a Petition from Warminster in favour of Catholic Emancipation.' After the Petition had been reed, a load call for Mr. Peel pro. ceeded from all parts of the - House at once, and continued for some tima, until • Mr. Secretary PEEL rost, upon which a deep silence Mime. diatrly was observed; and the Eight Honourable Gentleman pro. ceeded :o address the House to the following erect " Mr. Speaker, I rite to MR.m that that part of his Majesty's roost Gracious Speech which relates to Ireland, and recommends the consideration' of the state of that country with a vie* to. the renting of civil disabilities, be now read." * The motion 'having been put and seconded. the MTh of the Mime read that part of the Speech which was tube the subject. thi:ter of the Right lion. Gentleman's propositions. The state of Irolattd has been the object of his 3dajeuy's con tinued solicitude. '- His Majesty laments that in that pan of the United Kindbni an AOSOCieltloll thUilld esittwhich is dangernus to the pablle ' peace, and incoiisistent with the spirit of the Constitution, which keeps alive discord and ill will amongst his Majesty's subjects, and which moot. it permitted to continue, effectually obstruct every effort permanently to improve the condition of Ireland. . 1 tits Majesty confidently relies on the wisdom end on the sup- portoif hi, .earbamenc; and his Majesty felt astisred that you Will commit to-him ouch powers u may enable his Majesty to maintain his just authority. " fits 11ajesty recommends that, when this essential object shall have been accomplished, you should take Into your deliberate con sideration the whole condition of Ireland, and that you should re view the laws which impose civil disabilities on his Majesty's 1 Roman Caliche subjects. " You will consider whether the removal of those dirahilitim can be effected con • ently with the full and permanent security of our Establishments in Church and Stare, with the maintenance of the ltetortned Iteligion estabUthed by law, and of the rights and privileges of the Bishops and of the Clergy of this ItCaltd, and of the Chinches committed to their charge. " These ere institutions which must ever be held sacred in this Protestant Kingdom, and which it is the duty and determination al Ms Majesty to prea;rve inviolate. •' His Majesty most earnestly recommends to you to enter upon the consideration of a subject of such paramoiint importance, deeply interesting to the best feelings tit bit peopfi', and involving tje tranquillity ant . concord of the United Kingdom, with the temper and the moderation which will best ensure the successful isoUr of your deliberations." Mr. SecretaryPFALL then went on as - Toliows: Sir, I rise, as a Minicet 01 the King, and with ihe just au thority which belongs to that station, to %indictee the advice whiCh has beep given'to hi, Ma)esty by united ialinet—(Loud a es of " Hem, hear ')--to introduce into his gracious Speech to Parltameot thatfeCOrninclf4 da,ion as regard to Leland which his been just reed, anal t subin.t to the consideration of the House the . means by %%hide the Goveronseut propose is carry his Mikity s gracious recommeodation into 'effect. I rise, sn the visit of peace, to propose the adjustment of the •Cisibolic question—of that question which has occo- . plaibe attention of the Legislators, and di tracted the Caesar's r f the King's Cabinet for now nearly thirty years.' I propose ter di.cuss this question in the spirit enjoined in one of those beaUtiful prayers by which on tins, as on all other occmiciiii, we auspicate our pro ceedings in this Howe, and by which we ale enjoined '.o lay aside Al private interests, prejudices, and par tialities, and may GOD grant that, in the'words of this prayer, " the remelts of our Councils on this day may tend to the maintenance of true religion, and the safety, honour, and happiness of the Empires; that they may teed to the security 'of the, public wealth, peace, and trauquillity,and to the uniting and knitting in the bonds of true Christian charity the hearts of all classes of the people of this country." In approaching this great question, I feel overpowered by the magnitude of the interests which are involved in the result—by the diffi culties which I know are to be encountered in the course upon which I have entered. Nor am It ignorant of the extent to which 'those difficulties are increased by the situation of him upon whom it has fallen to propose these measures to the consideration of the House. But, through all these discouraging circumstances, I am supported by the consciousness that I have done my Juty—and fulfilled the obligations of that soleinn oath which I hate taken in my capacity of a responsible adviser of the Crown, and which - obliges me, in all MAIMS which may be treated in the Cquncils of my Sovmeign, to declare openly sod faithfully according to ray heart and conscience, and the best of my abilities, my opinions upon the questiuirs which may be submit ted to my consideration. Acting upon the spirit of this hiked Oblisodoo, I wow declare that the time is new . Almle when there is less of danger to the general in- Wests of this empite, as well as to the spiritual and Ifettiporal welfare of the Protestant Church itself, in at .temptings no safe principles, an adjustment of this quest 'lion, than in any ct':er course which I could suggest. On a - former occasion 1 made this declaration, and, Nrpon a careful reviei of all the circumstances of the erase, 1 now deliberately and fiaedly adhere to this de. wiaration—unchanged by the sew rility and abuse which have been, thrown upon me—unchanged by the for feiture of Malice) confidence—unchanged by even the heavier loss of private friendship. This being so, when 'option was given me whether I should abandon the post Which I filled, or give a proof of the sincerity:of my principles by consenting to be the advocate in Polio ihent of the measure which 1 recommended to his Ma jesty, I thought it my duty to proaose the measure in this House as the Minister r t the Crown. Whether I 'Wit back upon the past, or•take a survey of the pre dot, or glance forwasd to the prospects of the future, I thk time arrived wt e t an attem r t must be made to 'effect the adiostment-of • this mi•St important question. , I*ave been f l ailed upon to ors. tae nut a ca e in worm' r ot the propons which 1 sliAlt submit to the House; and to declare. the reasons -why 1 now recommend a measure .which is . in apposition to the course which 1' formerly, pursued upon tt.is sitliject. That ease lam now abort to stare, for the nut pose of attempting lea d convince those who differ front me upon this subject, and f,r the satisfaction of the people of this country. I know' that I speak in the presence of a House of COM. mons of which a majority has already consented to mea sures of the same nature as those which I am about to propose_l know that this House has before consented to this measure on highergrounds than throe on which 1 place it—l know, therefore, that it is not necessary for me to address any arguments to those who have advo. toted this measure with a view to &vetting tlwevils and ensbarvassmeors which, in their judgment, must flow from loavino this great question an open subject of discussion—l know that to address any arguments to Honourable Gentlemen so circumstanced must be en tirely unnecessary; but. no the performance of the task which 1 have to execute, I pa / less attention to personal objects, and endeorour to satisfy .the grea' body of the people of tuis country that, whatever their opinion may be upon the subject, there is more of evil than of advans' tage in attempting to continue in the course which has been hitherto pursued. I hope that the Honourable Gentlemen opposite will bear with me whist I state the reasons of the proposed changes—reasons which have carried the force of demonstration to my own mind. In an abstract point of view, and without any reference to practice,. there is much advantage in a con sistent and uniform system; but • when a public man, responsible for the public in.eiest and security, is called .upon to act in such circumstances, he most determine how •far-lie can with safety push the principles which' he ehteiteins with sincetity, and whether, in carrying -them to a certain extent, he may not hcendangering .the existence of those institutions which it is the object of his principles to preser.e. If he should then, upon mature. daliberatio... be of opinion that to persevere in • asserting his for m. r principles would be rather injurious than advantageous to the ohj-cts for which those prin ciples had. been .lapted, le is no inconsistency in his abandoning his former croirse, acid it even bee •rnes his duty to advise snea-ore. opposite to those sc hich he may have firmerly recomm.ende 1. lam now about toad diess myself solely to the practical consideration of the case. Ido not mesh to_arose the question upon any aostract considerations, or upott any di quisitions con cetaing the theory I f gneernment. tut to propose t to grounds on which I s as an actual of the Crown, bsve come to the conclusion that much greater danger would follow from advising a continued resi lance to the concession of the claims it the Roman Catholic', than from recommending a deliberate attempt to tate the question into consideration in a view to a final and satisfactory adjooment. Lour that to the arguments which I Shall adduce I shallhave the. attention of my Honourable Friends. These arguments ale. entirely founded upon a view of practical considerations, and confess that I am anxious to see what answer can be given to them. The outline of roy argument is this— that we are placed' in a cond tiro* in which we cannot )remain—that something most be done—that we cannot terrain stationary, ivid that the evils of a divided Legis lature and a distracted Cabinet hate now arrived at such a height.that they cahoot any longer be bottle. Tpicia my tiro position—thst .. out' present situation is untenable. Supposing this fist p opositionao be este-, bitched, my test is—that an united Government can pursue one of two courses, and only one if two. They' must either advance or recede-.they must tither grant further privilegt s to-the Roman Catholics, or take away the privileges which have been 'already panted—oey , rsiiist.either ',nise the bailers which have been erected tar oppose. the influx of Roman pathac, to political power, or they must roll back' the eatrent which had, sot in with a power which could not be resisted with safeta . to the State. I have been asked, what new light, has S hone utroo me in reference to this subject? I have ',/sejn askt-d, why, in 1825, 1 rec..mmended measures diffetent horn those which 1 . now recommend.? lam -toldahat there is nothing new in the circumstance of a -difference existing between both *louses of Parliament; Ithat, .as they 'have differed- without danger at ether -times, they may do so now ;JO that such a difference ,if therefore no reason 'for the measur es to he introduced. But are reasons in politics always the same? and do they always produce the same effects upon other Tiro cumstances which have undergone , considerable altera lions ? Are political - events and principles like quanti ties in number and mathematicsor like moral truisms, 'always the same? The recurrence of the same sort of 'events often took place with different effects,. and led to very different events. So far as my personal conduct is concerned, I can state that, in 1825,. when I was a Minister for the Home Department, I was in a min°. ;icy upon the Catholic . Question in this House. I felt this, at least, to be the case, that my situation as. 141.; nister was untenable. In the oboe which if held 3 was charged with the admioistration of the affairs of Ireland, and finding myself in a minority on chit question, which, in reference to the stare of that country, was-the most important that could engage my attention, I at that time aought .to be relieved from the responsibilities connected with my situatihm I at that time told my Noble Friend (Lord Liverpool) who was then at the head of the Goiiernment, thatsMe thing at least must be done, namely, that I should be relieved from the respoßsibilities of of f ice. It was upon that occasion notified wino ;but pi retirement . Unlit .•• • 1 4.* . ~,.. PAMIR SEVIMPBII.I. - ,.. 5 . office would lead to the retirement of my 14jobjekten •. ' l ° and that this would brodi up the, whole adnuntstration. I should wish to have been spared the. nocessitra making any reference to this correspondence. However. I am ready to submit it to the perusal of any peison who chooses to inspect it s and the fact and .uhtedli.is, as I have said, that it was on that occasion represented to me that toy retire:neat horn office would brea4.up the Administration. .1 now admit that f was wr.mg,in not acting upon my own views of. proprirly end.Aine duty, and that I might . at that time have, r. tired koni office. But my Noble Friend was then riser the t.rerti... nation of his political existence, and I • c , infe.sthat I shrunk from precipitating his retirement by mu s tier of mire. I, therefore, in compliance with the suggestions to which I have below alluded, consented to wait for the issue of a proposition to be made upon • tne snWet to a new Parliament, which was elected in igcs That Pediment, in 1827, decided, by a considetAhle..** jot ity, against the consideration of _the Romancatherse (Lyndon. In 1828 a different view utak fatten.* the sae by this House, which passed, n ot certainly rail, taptA.Resolution, in which they recognized. the wept principle of the measure. 1 then said th .t the seep of 04 country, as iepresenfed avid expres ed by the Hose . •Akttisions; having been clearly and decidedlytex piessed, and the general disposition of the people fairly mew • , I stated Oat as consideration whatecer yin should nduce me to remain office for-the putty se of eed giving any obstruction to the measure of C at linlieEman leipation. Last yetr.for the first time since the Election, libis Hou e of Commons decided in favour of the toss.. 0 t of Ca holic Emancipation. To anticipate the cruise Which the House would have purseed was not eashani it was most painful to be obliged t.i act in oppositiusro pre conceived opinions, and to separate one.elf f o.n froinds who had been long cherished. The events of ..the last six weeks will easily coevince any man of the difficulty and distress which must Attend such a separation,- but I can say, in the language of Dryden—. .. 44 Ms easy said; bet ob 1 how hardly tried" Bat I see no inconsistency in taking now the course which 'I was prepared to take in 1825, with this addition, that I then told. my Noble Friend at 'the head of the Go :ferment that not only sholld fretirr frim.office upok a conviction of the Necessity of conceding Catholic Emancipation, but that,. seeing the course at public opinion, as represented and expressed in she .Hoosu of Commons, I felt my'self bound, as an horte*.eneSl.: dot to place any obstacle in the way of the measuse.frem whatever Government it may proceed. This constitutes the only variation between my conducs:upon, Oast est easion and that which I have pursued at presara,l was then, as now,teady to sacrifice, to the attainmeed.of so great an object, the pleasures of friendship ansi_that re• potation of consistency ; and, after the events of the lest Session of Parliament, I . was prepared. to sermon, the measure, from whatever quarter it shoulJ ,otaxinaats. provided .that it should be brought forward in seals t manner as should ensure • the stability and 10 41411.7 # ,the Protestant church. On a f rater occasion 1 slesal;a4 the communications which bad been made IA nre. lo l , o^ the state of Ireland ss resulting from she positionpf this question—that all social intercourse was interruptadro that the fountains of justice were poisonmlsthat the facts were the same that had existed for twenty feit(s: and that, therefore, the gr ands which .I. stased.meie not sufficient to, support those measures. Sot itiviee cause it is the old story—it is because the same cvls continueJ to exist, whilst we have been unable, an Alio course sae sere following, to devise any Jena* :for them—this is the very reason shy I think we. cinnot ,persevere in the system which we have so loos &doom! I...this is the very reason why 1 contemplate .seithlletis ;reluctance the change of measures which . 1 propose.. What has been said upon this sullen mat be asogeinst me an argument's ad Imminent; but, whilst 1 admit the force of the sarcacm as against myself, I deny thin fit can be admitted In art argument against.thetconel settlement of this question—(Hear, fear, heat)...Tke point, therefore, which I at present urge is, that jut srhe familiar hut emphatic language which had heettaddsee ed to myself upon th* occasion), because it is the old story, therefore do I feel more strongly-the oecessity4 effecting some adjustment of it. This is one ni, she main grounds on whit!' I propose to rely in vindicati•o of my conduct. I now approach the body of my al guments. Throughout the whole county a s gertersia voice has been raised Upon this subject, and. heaever opposite, the conclusions to which they base cornea believe that I only echo the centime-us of all lemon:Ns ,men in the empire when I say that somethiug *rustled done. I shall 'not call urn the House to go %vodka:le to any, period mote, remote than it is usual t refer to in this House. , I only ask them to look at use G ,yero. went of this country for the last thirty-five yetis, and to Observe the bearing which the cli•sentions upon this question has had upon-the state and administretimoof Ireland. I then ask therin to consider the distrActroOD , whith made it necessary to permit this Catholic ques tion to be in the Cabinet an open question. I then as% the House to consider what the course of Parliament ' has been upon the question, and afterwards to take a view of the effects which these divisions in the CA RA and iti the Parliament have produced upon the Goi erno ment of Ireland. I now a4c,- ieferring to all that I have stated, whether things can remain as they are, or an attempt ought to be made by an united nt to conduct the affairs of - Leland on the sail principle which regulated the adrninistratio kf etrei* other part of .the empire? The disunion iri the Government upon the subject of the Roman Catholic question has existed for thirty-Eve years,. When Mr. Pitt took the Duke of Portland and -Loy Fitzwilliam into office, it was on a principle of a dfe egreement amongst themselves upon this question.-- Mr. Pitt was at that time ready to make an ur.qualified resistance to the measure, (but he took the Duke.' of Portland and Mr ; -Wyndham into office with him, usui Lord Fitswilliam wet ant . so Ireland upon a distinct. understanding that a difference eziatedin the Cabinet upon the subject. From" that time until now the Ca binet was dividedopon the ;Objeit. Lord Fossil:lam went to Ireland in. 1704.. 110801 Mr. Pitt's tiorreru meat came to a specific resolikjion upon the point. Mr. Pitt diedin.lBo6, and aretmeceeded by another Go vernment. That GOiernmeat iq about 18 mconthi came to a terminatiou. On whet ground? Ddferencessehont the Catholic question. Mae serCalso in the shot eh, tenet to which I bare' referred, three' chan.gs- i; the Government of, Iceland, The removal of Mrs Pitt 44 1801. aoil the rentosat of Lord Mentille and E ralGr try in 1897 • Ai alt oa-aCtossat ash* Catholic titsesooua., In 1897 14 ralesurel entered opon the adminiettasitia • • . .- - • - .7. . ! rids.Nas.. . . * . - 4 1 . , 1 1 ' i I 1 i . . , 4 . .. . . . . i • I. k l 1 Z ! • 1 1 • 1 : 1 11 s. l : , F ' i I ; . I ' 1 i . i . 1 I i i t 1 . 1 tr NP i i :. • i I 4 ii y l ' ,I ~ i• •: ",, ,;, • ' i i . ~ 1. I, I . ' t , I . , 4 : ! 1 ; r .. ; . , • . ~., i i .!: , I . ! ' i 1 . 1.