Star. — London, England, 1829-02-07 00:00:00

i now no expectation that *Stature to be proposed by his Majesties Mirtiaters enold produce any satitfac tory result. He hoped, he most 'sincerely hoped. that their measure might be attended with happy and for; tunate results; but he had no expectation that such would be the case. He was folly aware of the vital importance connected with this interesting question . throughout the empire, and of the great degree of eso citation to which it had led, not only in Ireland, but ht England; and - he felt that any settlement of that clues. Lion, even though it were settled in a manner totally opposite to his views, would leave a better state of things than now exisied. Without, therefore, intending to oppose the prestress of the Address, he was anxious to declare decidedly and firmly to the House of Com mons his intention to watch most narrowly any measure 'that wilt be proposed by his Majesty's Minister.— .4th the titttiost attkiety of mind he would scrutinize it step by step—with the utmost anxiety of mind would fie endeavour to procure for the Protestant subjects of Majesty the best terms he could, in order to ensure in safety and in inviolability those interests which had fur so many years been the exclusive right of the Pro testants of this country. Mr. LESLIE FOSTER was desirous briefly .bet firely to discuss one or two of the main points ititro cluced into his Majettri Speech. In so doing, he Was perfectly 'flee to, act in wfieteier way he thought best for the interest of his country; for he was neither Orangeman now Brunswicker, and to no patty had he given any pledge. He did not, hoe ever, mean to re sect upon individuilt who peofestied to belong to either class of those he had described; he meant simply to state that he was not one among theM, althoUgh in re fusing to become a member of their party he had, to his certain knowledfe, given offence to some of his friends for vehont he entertained i mot sincere respect. • To Mit it appeared that the Government of Ireland had always been placed in a most embarrassing situa tion ; and that the last Government bad laid ,* the flattering unction' to its imagination, and had per-' waded itself that it was giving a triumph to no partyil when he *cold rather say that it was giving a triumph to all, and, at the Same time, a triumph over its own starless. But, amid this confusion, a real Govern ment did arise, which formed a concurrent Govern ment in that country—the Catholic Association—a Government which took the form of the present demo creel, administered to by a directory, with a powerful Church annexed to it, and supporting it in a manner in which no Government was ever yet supported. with tax-gatherers going through the country collecting money from all. quarters, With a regular system of finance, and a fully organised militia of its own.• He would not say that it was the only Government in Ire land, but he would say that, as in England during the reign of Charles the First, there were two concurrent Govetnmeats, so in Ireland was it in the present day. This being his opinion, what course then was to he pursued? While the question was pendiug, while it' was under consideration, the two parties were resting on their arms, and waiting the decision to which Par liiment was come. They were with their well disci- Oilseed militia gazing at each other, and waiting for the determination of the House. There were, in his view of the caie, three plans, one of which his Ma jesty% Ministers would be compelled to adopt in their settlement of this' most important question.— The first was to leave the rtsolt to the issue of a civil wit, for such mast be the inevitable consequence r f in terfering in no way ; the second was a settkai-nt of the Citholic (Nairn,: upon Catholic principles; and tl:e third was a settlement of those claims upon Protestant principles and upon Protestant policy. With respect En to the fir •t., he !night safely asset t that no Mem ber of his Majesty's Government could say that he wr u'd not deser re im, eachme:it if he suffered matters to ploteed to such an issue; and for himself he sa:uld say, Met he Would not • nly not endure the responsibi lity of •uftering such a, resu t ; tut would nece softy rnsid'ee it hia bounden duty of doing the utmost to prevent it. With respect to the steeped plan he sheuld aleals resist it ; and if any pottiOn of the intended measure we e truhded upon such a principle, it cculd never have his support. He was, however, happy to have an opportunity of stating his conviction that, as the measure was placed in the hands of those with 'whom it now remained, the course that would be pir ated would be istrentially the teeerse of this second and he could fin( but :egad the Noble Duke at the head of his Majesty's Government, the Right Hum S:cretary who represented the Government in_ that House, and the oil er Members of tl:e Cabinet, as suffi cient guarantees of a resole e determination to uphold the interests of the Peovestant Chnecii. There was not t.Mernber df that Cabinet ill Whom* he could not repose entire confidence; and herd( aisured that their conduct would be guided by the deepest desire to preserve un injured the Protestant Church of Great Britain. lie would not now enter_upon that port'on of the subject which leateJ•to the securities to be demanded and re ceived. But he wished to call the attention of tfle House bristly to the difference between concessions upon Catholic and concessions upon Prote•tent princi ples. ile w: illd readily adm t the Catholic to power, provided he did not bring his . religion with him; but . he demanded' that he should leave his Church at the door of Pail intent, And that we should close that door tionn., Tie histicry of our ceuntry wr nisi fully show that the religion of the Catholic Church could riot om male oi:h the 13: itish Constit••tioni if we, let it once in we should fur esel siterwar lib find it a troublesome in mate. He was I ersuatkd that the majority of •he °echo ,couutty considered the safe y of the Protestaht Church not only as a muter of espedtency, bat as nest. iog it' claims to be u.rperrucl upon far higher grounds, and he troved that this principle would never for a alb- . tnent he left out of view. The people of England had indeed been taught from infancy that the Roman Ca tholic religion war an errenerius system; and, that opinion's, even theft prejudice', ought to be cousidered. Mr. G. It. DM:kr : SON, of Derry, congratulated the Huse on the prospect of its at length doing an act of justice to a laro portion of, his Majesty's subjects. He, looked upern his Majesty's Speech as giving a certain hope of the arrival or the happiest event within the range of the history of oar • country- T .-as the dawn of that prosperity to Ireland which should succeed the tat ter misery in which she bad for ages passed - her exist mice. It was' with the most unfeigned pleasure he role to express - his conviction of the prosperity and. hapoli ness which would follow• the declaration contained in the Speech which they•had last night heard addressed to then, irons the Throne. The conviction of the et cessity• for such a' coerce as that which. his Majesty pointed out swat not new in bins. He had• been lodg convinced that to rem ove t h e c i v il disabi li tie s lender which the Romeo Catholics laboured, war vet only eit pedient but necessary. Toentertain such an opinion he had had to 'trunk with etianyoand greatdiged; der. He Wei istinvately contremed wkit w eairelYrado Variously the most Anti-Catholic of any-ift It he was related, by the neatest ties to one of the well Protestam'familres of that county—and he hid other ties of a nature equally strung, which made bias long • • con s id er led f epl dill* "tn . before be had ionised the resolution to which . he had now, spine. kerns With those sent,iments that be went tp Ireland a short time ago, and firmly and aincerely, • dia he state (he hoped he should obtain that credit which every Honourable Gen tleman deseived when he made a solemn assertion) that he went to Ireland. in perfect ignorance of what it was the intention of his Majesty's Government to propose.' And during his visit to Ireland what did he there wit ness ? What I every institution perverted ; families of all classes bitterly opposed to each other; a system of persecution carried on by every Irish Gentle Man of whatever creed he might be a member; the people suf feting under eteri :form of misery : common juries, and even grand juries, inevitably biassed and in the course of justice it was imposiible to proceed. It was under these circumstances that there happened to be the celebration or a Protestant anniversary in the City of the county Which he had the honour to re• present in PartiaMelt; and under such circumstances he was called upcirit6 attend it ; and when he heard the Gentlettien there, iniinated only by a spirit which 'tithed at nothing lesi thin the total destruction of the Roman Catholics of that country. it Was a course to Which he could not give hii concurrence, althriugh he ✓egretted hitt having been persuaded to attend the nieet• ing. He saW these only the elements of a civil war—ele ments which only wanted sortie hand to call theM into action; a brand kris ready, which the first incendiary might light into a flamb: It had been insinuated that he had be. n intimidated by the Cathdlic Association. Such was far, very fat, from ever having been the case. He well knew that the Catholic Association liad not, and never could have, the slightest power in the Pro testant county of Deny . , which hi represented; but he had a fear, a fear of which he was not ashamed— a fear which every honest and honourable ma* aught to en. tertain—a fear of seeing the flame nf civil war spread ing over his con try and her streets, and her highways deluged with blood. But little, very little, was wanting Ito render that country from one end to the other, a scene such as that which he had described. Under theseciraa cumstances he had delivered the speech which had been subject to so much animadversion. He had considered. that the time had arrived when, upon every principleol common sense, he ought to have made a declaration of the change that had taken place in his sentiments. He did make the declaration—he did state his entitle tion—and he did then resolve to follow it up by the vote which he should be called upon to give in the House of Commons whenever the question of Catholic Emanci pation should be again dicussed. He had delivered his sentiments then. and he now rejoiced to find they proved to be those by which his Majesty's Government meant to be guided. ~The plan of his Majesty's Go. vernment was, doubtless, one of conciliating the Roman Catholics, but with a proper regard to the interests of the Protestants of Ireland and et England. The result, he felt assured, would be, that Ireland would 'be tran quillized and England contented ; and that to the former country would be opened many channels by which prosperity and happiness would be conveyed to her. He would repeat how sincerely he rejoiced that such were the.sentiments of his Majesty's Goi:ernment, and whether connected with them or nut, in such a course they should have bad kis warmest support. He had considered it due to himself and to the Government of which he was a member to say so much with refo rence to his own conduct, now that the proper time had come, when so much might be expected from him. Mr. HUSKISSON said, that having had nu • ppor tuni, y la.t night of expressing his sentiments, re ou•ted the House, upon the present occa'i n, would indulge him with a few words. He lose with some reluctance to address the House after the very f 'cling, the just, and clear statement which they had heard foal the Hon. Gentleman who last addressed therm When, however, coninluaication of such great and vital ina.osr.alice was made to the Base from the Throne on which the family of Brunswick was seated, he was anxious to take that opportunity of expressing his gratitude to. his Ma jesty for his fraternal solicitude' in recommending that this most important sultjecr should be brought forward as a Cabinet nseastik. He could not forget. that among those who so advised his Majt.sty, there were some who upon all previous occasions gave to any such proposi tion their uncompromising and decided opposition. It apreated• to him that his Right Hon. Friend, Mr. Se cietsty Peel, had acted most properly last night in ab staining from any attempt to go into the details of the intended measure. For himself he felt satisfied that it would be a measure , of grace—(Hear)—liberal, and adequate to the purpose—such a measu e as wou l d lead to final and conciliatory adjuo • ant, and lead eventually to the happiness, tiaoqiiillity. and the sta. batty of the empire at large. By. such a meatureas this, a transceudant triumph would be achieved—a ttiumph equally conducive to tte_ external and to the internal strength of the emehe. This recommendation t is tw proceeding fioni the Throne, was a complete and coovis Bing pouf that in the lair field of discussion the all-conquering power of truth and -of justice must ever even u .lly prevail rivet error and prejudice— erior and prejudices,he would admit h nestle am' con. scieutiousle, entettaiied and supported by many in that (louse. It was true the contest had been long and ar duous, but the cause was eve, y day growing in so pig* until at last it was acknowledged that it could not be mod; longer put off without the utmost danger. The ,pri.icipleot religious toleration had made great and rapid progress. Two sears had not elapsed—and he did not say it invidiously—since his Right Honour Ale . Friend (Mr. Secretary Peel). had declared in his place; that, whether iii of out of Parliament, hp syould . op pose the repeal of the laws affecting. protestant ,D seaters;- and yet in the very last Session of Parliament he undertook, much no doubt to his honour, the-part of a conciliatory moderator upon that important question. He trusted his Right Honourable Fs lend would. now apply himself with equal effect and' success to a satisfactory, a final, and safe adjustment of that other great question affecting his Majetty! stomata Catholic subjects. The Member for Ninth (Mr. Foster) presented nothing new in his speech upori the subject—nothing which had not before been broughl with equal force and clearness under the consideratian, of the House by the Member for Kerry (M. Fitzgerald)' and others, who dtiring the last Session strongly urged the danger of allowing things to remain any longer as they Were in Ireland. He regretted that these topics had not at an earlier period made the sameimpression on the Rabid of the Ho*. Gentleman—(A laugh). Had the same feelings which seemed so strongly to influeoke gonourable Oentlellloll now prevailed two years back, When similar topks were urged with equal force, a Honourable and dear Friend of his (Mr, Cancting)' now no mote,' might perhaps have been Nosed bi FIROV/DIINC12:10 witness the triumph of his aseitions•in'this great cause. He' was sure his Right • Honourable' Ft lend Sicretao P: el) would not isststaket" the' feelings with which be gave utterance to thesesentimenra, and would not suppose they were dictated by any iividiens motives. Every person who knew/tiro meat: be fatty waive that it was at the tisk of charges which,hOweteruifouided,could not be heals( . • . , . hr MOM Corn/ 'doge& Ot . . Right Hoh. Fried's! 041 hive ctincurtfd in 'any Measure. Of c oncession.— S6ihe Hon. GentliMen who sPOle lasi night confessed themselves disposed to alter their opinion upon the quei ticin, because they considered it to be now its hauls which Were likely to provide more ample security for the PrO testant institutions of this country. He niust, however, 'claim for his Right Hon. Friend now no more (Mr. Cinning)—he must Claim for himself, and for those friends who iuppoited them on this great questiOn, as siccere an attachment to the Protestant Establishmerii, and as sincere a Wish to uphold it, as Any Oilier set a either in or out Of the House. No Man could desire less thin himielf to see Catholic Opinions, or the Catholic Church, gain grourid in this country. He shiny: profes sed a sincere dislike to many of the Catholic opinions in religion, as for example, their belief in modern miracles. He did not know whether to attribute to some such miracle, or to a change in the atmosphere, which was said sometimes to have a poWerfil inatielsce on the mind, the numerous conversions to concession which had taken place within the la s t sitels—(A Tbey were, hoieier, very si.eiterable; and no doubt the pen of histciry Would do kistibe t,r) them. He' greatly regretted that whet it was now proposed to do had not been done years back. Ile rejoiced Oat the Ministeri of the Crosin hlid done justice to Ire land, and he Would most cOrdi rIIY Cite for the Ad. dress. He did not think that theexistenie of the Ca tholic Association shnold dilly the other proposed Mea sure, although he adrnitted . it was wiiithievous and un ciintkitutional. The AisriiiiiPis id I eland Wes she iiiattn of oar cairn i t trotig, sand he tisistid that when the Bill to put it down was tiintight etilcike the House it would be discussed with the temper necessary to such subject. He also trusted that the Gioreihriierft Chinld proceed with the most petfe:t bona fifes, and therefore their meiseres should so tar have his support. He was afield that he shou l d unnecessarily fatigue the House in dwelling upon the other Oita of his Ma jeity's Speed). • In regard to Greece, he entirely tons curled in all that was contained in the Speech from the Throne, and he was Convinced all the measures which had been adopted upon that subject had been.... tered into in a view to the Treaty of the 6th July, and for the purpose of proctii ink the pacification of that country with the smaller,' military iorce, and with the smallest effdficin Of blo:id. Ile (Th. Hioskis.on) may observe that he had remarked a dill rence between the manner in which the blockade of .the Dardanelles hod been t ; poken of in . the present g,)eecli from the Throne, and the way in 'shish the some subject had been mentioned in the Speech which had been delivered at the opening of the laic Session. In the Speech then oddrisied to ParliaMtnt it was stated that the Emperor of Russia had consented to waive hii belligerent tights in the Meditettaneals. Now, the. obvious meaning of the word convert! waa, that a demand had bi en Pcl *-* dressed to the Emperor of Russia upon the subject, and that softie stipulation had been entered into, whereby a recompehse was provided for the Emperor of Russia as a compensation for. the waiver of his rights. la the 'Speech which had last night been. read to the House it was stated that the Emperor of Russia• had again re sumed those righti ; but he (Mr. Huskisson) did not see how they could have been resumed without the consent of the pasty who had grant..d the compensation for tie waiver. Tiiis matter lie did not consider to be very material in itself; but, whatever concerned the honour and dignity ..1 this country, he should not regard as a matter of trifling consideration, and he should hope tlul 6 1.1 that no departure had been in this instance made irons the high course of poliCy Which . this c-untry had everpur tied. With respect to Portugal, he was hound to state that the linguage coot Ai. ed in his Maj!sty!s *Sarech upon that subject li id tamed him considerable displeasur He was not in a condition t 3 say what were now the telatioos which subsisted between Poi tit gal and this country ; but, if he w, re IS judge from hearsay upon the subject, he stolid:l say that he found• it impossible to reconcile what had been done by the. Government of this country on ere sulsject of Portugal. .with the honour and digi.ify of this nation, or with the. policy which had been for a long time pursued in. our relation td the Kingdom of Portugal. Ire had no doubt hitt that a fill atsd sat.staCtOrf could be given upon this subject. But' he hoped that such an explanation would be given, as the e was .1 very general impression here as well a: en the Conti. nent of Europe, that the Gosernmeiit of this country had not inlinifeited tOWisfds the permit' at the hr ad of the• Portuguese naitiim that best of feeling and conduct which shotild have been ezhibited tow arsis one who had seized upon the Government of that country by one of the foulest usurpations which had been ever of cted. l He should nollollow this subject more in detail. This was' not the Opportunity for ea:ling upciir ti 0 •tdijiit; and he had no doubt, upon the ur hale, th rt the d' ~sty, f the. Crown a.id the inter.st, f the empire would be preserved by Ministers, who. were on many occasions obliged to consent themselves wth the disci:4lg! of their duty, Without being able to s ate I it'slicly all the' facts and causes by which their conduct had hied in &cotes!, or to give that full satisfaction Whidi Many persons may desire. Sir JOHN NEWPORT congratulated the House up rn the tei ruination of that «oitest, in hholf of a cause In which he had always adhered through his po. -Nicol life,. And which lie had for half a century advo cated in that notasf. He rose, however, for the purpose ref iecomrnending, as far as his feeble voice might be supposed to have weight to•that body, with many of the Members of which he . was connected, that they %%mild at Oiler, and withou t wailing for any legislative enactment, have the good sense and the policy to imme diately dissolve themselves. By that act they would at once put an end to much of the je .lousy and ill wi I which was at present lelt by their Pii tertant fellow subjects, and relieve the Legislature from the disagree. 'able.neeessity of considering the means of coescion.-- ;The Right Hon. Baronet concluded by expressing a hope, that in the measure about to be brought forward the Government would give neither grudgingly nor sparingly, so as to'save the necessity of all further ap plicitions, and set the question fully at rest. Mr. R. SMITH was satisfied that the opposition supposed to be felt by the people of this country to the claims of their Catholic fellow subjects vr.s vet y much exaggerated. .He had the honour to be connected with a very large county, in which there were many Church .d I(ing men, and he could assure the House " that beY almost . 411 looked forward with anxiety to the time , when, 'by a politic concession, these claims might be, ;satisfied, and the question_ put at rest." - He was happy that the subject, which had ever created disunion in fa -1 milies, and which.had long been, as it were, a sort of political blister'upon England, and which had impaired its prosperity and resources, that this sore was now at least about to be healed by the balsam of politic con cession. He thought that a great day had dawned upon it, and E h n e g woul d estimate l w an a d s . re H a e fid w r a n s t h th a a p t py af t te o r h a a g v e e s live to witness the work as it deserved, and reap a lull harvest of be. nefits from the course they bad adopted. Lord AI.THORP, after expressing his gratitude to the Government fir the concession which they haitproe the ised, nbiervid, that the Hon. and Learned Gentienotp near km (Sf'. Brougham)ltad so fully espreasea hss sentiments upon the subject last night. that he did nqt intend to have offered any observation, and he certainly should not now detain the House many minutes. li e was delighted to see that Which had been a favour object with him doting the whole .cour e cf his politi. 'cal life, likelY to be carried by thisse who c-uld best give it effect. Monist the whole of the 'cirtse be hid a seat in this douse it always appeared Its him that the qiieitlon Would belicst iettled be at. Go vernment.. The GOvernment, however, exert oppo'e3 to it, anal these Who considered it tsf4Ve to concede the Catbrilic CI rims, Nero obliged to bring it I irtiard themselves, althoukb they alWays felt that it never Could be ie'ttled so vent.- factorily by ,any but the 'Government. He certainly N Felt that the Noble D..ke beietired great credit For h4T.• ink induced the Governmen t to adopt it, althou:th it wquld have given him pleaanre to , hate tiered that they Were willing to wait this-feet of daces inn lA fniethey determined to ritifdosertheAssociati _ lie trusted, however, that the brenibers of that body would hive the good sense to adopt the prudent tecorti thendit'ons of their friends. and alisbalid theinsevel, Without waiting for ruse. L•gislative en.crmenr. however, a Bill for the putting dawn of ti.e Asoci. too was iretsisted it, he !wised and trusted it wnu'd cont ain pretensions so coif-istent Cat the spirit of a free . couti• try, and constitution .1 liberty, that he should be able to give 'chi. support. . Mr. CH ARLESti tt ANT united with thn-e Ihnonr. able arid Ri . ,;ht Ii nourable Nleotbers wl o preceded him, in eipiessing his gratification that the CAlllniiC Q iestion was at length to be dually se tied. Ile elm expressed his full conciarreice in the Address, which he conceived to be due ao one of the mist patriotic and truly B. itish Speeches ever delivered fors the •i h: e. It gave hiM, indeed. peculiar pleasure t know, th.t this great boon would be code, re.l in the aeign cif rut present Sovereign, and that his hfijesty, w: o ha I taken so warm an interest in the welfare of Iteland, and who had placed himself in such personal contact a ith its people. s' (mid hove the satisfaction of c ntributing so eminently and so far beyond any of his predecessors to their welfare and happiness. Great thanks sere alio due to the Noble Duke who had given the a ivice wf.ich led to suer. a result; but it was a thing mulch to be de sired that the recommendation to consider the propriety of concession to the Catholic .Claims had been unite. companied and unencumbered by the provision for the dissolution of the Association. Ile agreed with the Noble Lord (Lord Althorp) that the recommendation was useless, and that there ought to have been n t law for the putting down of the Association hot rite law of Catholic Emancipation—(Hear, heat). II thrty!o too that the passing of a Bill, such as that tec-nimended in • t'.e Speech, would have the effect of boxing dot•u.t, and cleating suspicion, where neither distrust nor bus. picion ought tribe entertaioed; and that, at alt events, therefore, if it was possible, the Bill for potting down the Association and the Bill for relieving the Catholics from their disabilities ought to pass simultane usly. In his opinion, indeed, the one ought not to be inteodoced without the other. - He would postpone his opinion on the details of the measure until he saw it in fu.l shape bet ire the Nowt.; fur the present he svuuld side his disposition to apply his mind to the subject—to &sow the fullest attention to it, with a view to it. filial and sa i4actory adjustment. Seeing the go id spirit of &v. posing 14 o.e question from the manner in abseil it WiS conveyed to the House. lie Wit piepased to g ve con fidence to, the Noble Duke at the head of tie G Meta, and to cooperate with him in I r se. tri. p the measure to eventual success. .This wa- a q .e tool ils at should not be dealt with on any narrow pi iodide • t I :v -ital policy. Itsinipnit •nce raised it above flirty co sit demons They should prom Jto the mess .re solemnity suitable to the great work—hr would so t .ay . merely of national justice, but of national piety, tit w: telt they were about to engage, They shouter piriee-d trot in a spit it of anger, of re f roach, of inset is e, 4.r it se cri fff f ration (Loud and continued cheer-1; but in af t tit of temperance and forbearance, and a ith 4 l aXt;fletS of benevolence worthy of tie great work t! el had to pfifnim—the object of which was t It a opir ess and I ro spelity of the people • f Ireland, as weil as the tic-ea ya wn of the Protestant interests, in Ireland, a d Vie Coot prehensive union of the empire—(heat). h 1 w (4a Irt vy the feelings of the Duke of Wellingt-n on th ,t Jay • .1 which this measure, to which so mane ? Teat f t :• n h a ,l devoted their talents, should f e accro.r.ll.l,e.l Ile could envy the feelings of the Idustrioos Doke on th, t day on which the doors o: Parliament should be thinwn open to welcome hack the Howasds and the Jr. hams and the Talbots to recla m the ancient seats anti assert the high station of their ancest o rs—(Cher: t) There was our prison more whose 1 clings lie slvitilsl envy—lie should envy the feelings of the King of :Faog• land, w: - .en, after this measure had been accony le he shoold ,come down cc, meet the Path one t a his United people—(Lirud cheer-) Lord F. L. GOWER said. that he had nit inietic!ei to present himself t► the notice of the 11....5e upon the pressor occasion; lie was, hoarser, todused to ties l iass upon their attention in cooseqn -nee of some oho rsa lions which had Eiden .from llo:r .Members alto had spoken in, the courie of the t ventng. He woul.l ratti cularly refer to what had been said upon the sobj-, t a f the order in which the proposed measures ought t succeed. Upon this point he should uhterse, tha•, when the question was as to any measure for the benefit of Ireland, he should say. "Sand not upon the order of your going." Ile should, however, say that on this occasion there aas no part of the Speech of his hf •jesty which had mote met with his (Lord Francis Levesnn (tower's) deli.:erate aporoval than that which recommended the sup, ressioo of the Roman Catholic Association. Ile did not in em to put his experience in competition with that of • thus on the subject of Ireland, much less with that less recent, but more valuable, (.1 his Right Honourable Friend, But hefeit bound to say that, in his dr libera:c judgment, the Bill for the suppression of the Catholic Association was an indispensable preliminary to any general measure cf relief to the Catholic body at large. lie had always, since he had the honour • f.a seat in that House, supported the cause of Catholic Emanci pation; and he, therefore, had the more confidence in saying that the Protastant euple of Ireland Were en titled at the hands of Government to protectmn against thoseoperations which had been effected I y the Catholic Association, but which were attributable to the state of the law as affecting the Roman Catholic pr.polation. He thought that, in.the event of passing the *maw , e of Catholic Emancipation, the Protestants i f Ireland bad a right to expect a distinct pledge from the Govern. mart that the Association, however it may expire of itself, or be dissolved by its members, shbuld be deprived • of the power. of coming again into existeace.. Lord JOHN RUSSELL said, that tbe view lie ook of the question was similar to that talseatrisii Noble Friend below him (Lord Althorp). He , sisturOt it ssou'd have been better if the Government had s..d to the Association, " If we remove those disabilities under 1 , 44 4 e. ~l