Star. — London, England, 1829-04-04 00:00:00

Bering, it . 1 7 das'atost conscientiously. that tie ammo, plishment of this measure will tenJ most strongly apt', endanger the Church of Ireland, I ho'd it to be my bounden duty, as wßishop of the United Church, te em my vote against it. It is with sincere regret dun, 1' i lO4 Ortir in -the .eitavation wf. opposing. at. Measure brringht foward by "the IlobleDilkisit the head of his Majesty% Gevernment. • This is the first measure upon wittch it has ever-beers wstesisfoitenistobsopposed to that Noble Duke, and I say, with, the deepen. diem: silty; that I :hope it /Oho the last.. . . . •:: • The Bishop of DURHAM -said-.-Ever Since the close of the last . Session • of. Partisan!** • I-. have i fro. , quendy cantetnplated this question •as woe ywhich most again mime forward :far. - dittos** in thii Hon.,. and I . have eadeaveured 'by 'every posiihle. mesas to persuade myself of ;the pulley wither men to 'being adopted. - bar I have - not been -able :to bring myself to ,such . a . persuasion ; for whenever I con template thelubjce4 I find myself in *difficulty which it is impossible to overcome. -I have for arsine time past looked upon the present crisis ....nit fearful antici pations, The Right Reverend Prelate mid, that the ptesent measure. if-granted, .w9eicl, certainly eidaPter the well.alfected • patt- of the PPOttitillit waintassityot Iteland, whilst, by pat dolly granting the • wishes wt' the Citholics, it would only render - them more disaffected ? sod more turbulent in their endeavours to - Obtain the rest. -The* feta-firm persuaded me that the time mast a sole arrive when these persons, encouraged -by welt they have already Obtained. will proceedfartheesral farther in acts of riot and intimidation, until they AA secure to themselves that object for which .they.:haver all along been &Mag. 'What that object is, is no longer Metter of. doubt, , for,•%iwith whatever '.fael!s. we .stony charge the Catholic Association, we . twestot unrest' confess that they have torbeen guilty of dissinalation. They' have distinctly declared' that the. Measure called Catholic Emancipatien, is far from beingthe object ut Whieb.they have aimed. and forvrhich they atilt !need to exert themselves. They have 'dirt:tar said that the me.; sure now before your Lordships . viciotd *amen the ohjeet which" they . have in 'view. What • that object is is no longer concealed. It is neither more nor less than the sabversiiin of the PrOteitaht Church. Theft* Oh:citations 'whiCh I have thus vennited to submit tit your Lordihips are such as,' a oho t time hence, * . might not be so patiently listened to lo thialonse ; for I fear the*titne it not &tent when iProtestantilishop may not have it in - his 'poster to *liter his Sentiments 'in this house' With the Same freedom With on this 'oc casion, as on former (*canons. I have 'been permitted to enjoy. Amongst a 'variety of objections' to' this Measure 1 have this, and if it bewilf founded-Land I itn . sure such Of your Lordships 'as are ` acquainted with the sentiments Of the le 'of England know that it is so—the objection is fatal.it is, that the resent Measure never will give satisfaction tethe Prinestants if this Empire. •It has beat admitted - ln. both Houses Of Pailiathent that the ptesent Bill ' is netball ihdos sistent with' 'the Protestant 16%6thtidos of this country, bit is an actual infri ngement 'upon' the Protesteht Constitution 0.'1698. ' It is' said that"the :Main -psi& Mirk of that - Ctlisititirtion Of . 108 is. - that 'it *mired lo ibis country the 'tutees:ion 'to 'the' thronelhat are are *never again to '?- bite boy - other'lhikt 'aiPro testint' King. and' that' alrthe means adopted' for the exclusion of Papists !font the ton Housetoi s Legislatate Ind the high ogees* of State weie' had retriorse to' in tome degree antecedent to that revelrition, or subsequent to it, bat not at the tisise - of it. 'The incomistenty of this argument 'With ' that 'which I bhforenoticed 'Must iiiiiibi. mous to your Lordships, and' Ileare' thole byliellibir they are used to reconcile their. lam nit prepared tit deity but that the bitter 'statement:May be founded bit truth. but with your Lordihipt leaee I will'euter a littM Into particulars. ' / believe thee. if no onewho Mistimed the history Of thii country aright who is net ptepatediti acknowledge that the events'of 3 68tr conititured what I: ani Warranted in calling a Prigesther Revolistion,l meal it revolution for Protestant' purports 1 that the bresirobieci if it was to enstite the pestering* maintenance'of Ptah test int indication; in this ' country, 'mid to exile& P . piste from sitting in tither Hesse Of . Path ;men', ot filling offices or _great trust ' or' pones in the 'State. Nei* what I Contend for' is this. that the admissions Created for 'theta in' the present Balls not only, as indeed, has been' ever aekhduledged; an infringement upon the Constitution' if 1088.' but a complete • 'ob trusion of 'every: principle "upon 'whieh - Constitutional enactments were 'Wilde • for 'the greater ' pant of 'a Country 'before the Revelation.' as well as ever since. ham ewer; that 'in 'the . history' of the' Constitution anomalies of ill sorts will 'be - found ; that some times Protestants ' had ' the ' ascendancy. ' sometimes Papists. The effect of this alteration Of power- was, 'that every thing 'Was thrown into - confusion, - aid 'that the nsachine'never"worked properly until it 'was 'Mille escloshrely 'Protestant. These 'were the opi. Diens Of our forefathers ; odd; whatever May' be our own boasted wisdom, I `mast' be-pellnitted • to' Say,. that I think 'their sentiments are sot 'altogether to be despised. A Right Revetendfrelate has contended, 'that is: settial of the penal laws wet. repealed since the - Revolution, 'that the principles 'of that gtest eet • element' Welt tberefate'broken in non; and:that there. fete' tissehting to'the' present . meastrte is'ealy going 'One iteplarthar. Nose'thit strikes me as molt er- ' reneotas. The - penal itatelet It. not :necessary ; to the •Piritestantisntof fhe Coattitation; ill that is now 'might to be contended for 'is that °Minted character -of the 'Ltiislattstc Mit IbtiMlC has 'been recommended on 'a 'principle Of expediency.' ill 'Right Reverend - Prelate 'bat said that fititte'pelicy add eipediesty will warrant 'ti'Meisure of this inmate. I' am 'now,_ my Lords,. to learn for the fi rst time that"moral obligations in pOli. ' deal matiettitte tot the unseat in any 61 the ter Lions .of Pt ivittelife: l'have alwayslaboined a aderthe flares ' sihtYthit eepidiehty trail battheirechtidal y consideration -4hist Ihelelir . 61' 'tity eraralWays'ld•be.lthe'pribrury , "mirdatet agritlet.Yott' may lasi* a grotuid-ht expediency,, barins . first itsk4l6otielies Whititer,lit admittinehat, '.,meat do not Oblate Wine higher piaci Ote ? Ndir; wit WO. 'plied' shall be Nit trims under me. r yii I 'condone On ' nittatthal the peculiar and illithietlie theriettrittic i , f the 'Constitution nr'thit . etitintty illts . Pietesphtisus. 'Nows • -thennithearlthmanClitikilits' Me adusitted, , itlases *ki , thavairta ticlasite ebaratter; and licqUires limited ebai a,40 let that btit.onte he'given, and . ell thrift* ". Siix the* Chttreh ever - enjnyed is ataiihilited. Ism nous% as to ' th e pattichier securities resented bt ' 0441 i 4 ,tha ' whole of my 'pre sent isbservition# • 7 'lli k e - pretietitsary. 'My' 'deliberate 't.rovittinn' is , ..th . fresh the moment 'Roman • -Catholics 'rise-riettritt ' - iiiio the .I;egibtirure,. we are enable 'to 'say `hovii4ol rt ' etelltajusfit in,Vithei Minato, Parliameat 'Oaf Mit* 'llibtistesst.'behow lung we may' continue' to hale ' Prittistuat lifts ; and were aid an root as theedstige t4 is. iitimisiiettel tikeplition could Ow 611116taidi i' "ltesaitthber. • - tor.' my tords.vitisethis:Autt - *.e.te Vout--this idnilvielon ante 'a reed t 0.41 Wow* ifiwiqOale. l'acit Oly eldbirtoftiatitsetebfkiin, ' i hte ntrek 44lllllllo *fat I *a ate Seglutfliblitrit'bi VW o 'hi lepporied' Iltti Mflß 'siSetttekt.to Maw alaran—to ornate even sire itself. A Nogg Lord I cifise Kir liter gatunds. thee char.:are *twee& Pretest a lies anid.Cati ,-. rties•whoeonenr in supportis ‘ whose union cannot fail to be m., tablished Church. Men who. loose the mihilesaimas, belong to the very.lowest grade of. oponinni•eltherals„ 4 6,i s ia. in fi dels—call them b) , what name you pleate ate every one them - exultiegin the progress. of stitia measure ; 'end <what-have wc. m ahem% amend 'foe • this? I am aware that it is:stid that the, Catholics sill ;be satisfied. aod,that no danger 'can he_ apprehended hem them, 'even <where they alp" uthes , wi l e,. f or aq ialsondanu safeguard would he foetid, in ,she statuval jealousy with which Protestants weep watch -eon ;binational rights -aid ,privilege' Of the fare! aid justice of that argument 1 -sill leave your Lord 'ships to judge. 'lf we look beak. to ;Manliest history of the Popish Church. we will find in it so strong and marked .a character of ambition , ..-so s i n gular a vigil of domination, as must *aril all hope that the Adz lowers of that Church, will.acquiesce in the integrity of the Protestant establishment; ityosouesintrodueehme .a considerable body of men of that pertuasion.yao may be waled that nothing will withstand their influence. If you once give them power you need not expect that they will stand still. We are told that the charaeteraf. !Popery has been • greatly changed. I believe-there are few Roman Catholics who would acknowledge shat; indeed, that they would rather take offence than otherwise , at having it supposed that the charaiter of their religion had changed. It vres.said that they .deded the temporal and merely admitted the spa , ritual authority of the Pope. For ereCtical wows I iconsider< the distines;on of little value. A. Right Rev. :Prelate, in giving his support to this measure, would appear 'to give it a sanction in consequence of his having been • a Regius' Professor of Divinity ; hat we. My Lords, have on this bench. and agreeing in ur views of the question, three. Regius Piolossortaf Di -.inky. I ask any 'man to state whit species of tyranny has ever existed which has pot received the sanction of the Church of Rome? lam umeilling to weary your Lordships, bet-1 most be allowed .to -repeat that three can be'no befficient security. a Let es tame examine what this Bill prOfesses to do for vs. It leaves a Protestant- King. and keeps one or two of site rltigh offices in the - hands of. Pr: tenants ; sod for - this vie she called to break down' the .bulwarks -which -oar .ancestors erected around the'tonstittition. Another geo-ind on whicfs.gteat stress has been laid in support of this measure is, that. when effected, it wilinsatesielly alter the state of the public feeling in belated wish re gard to religion, that it is likely to caose insmerous Con versions, and that many inffuelitial persons of the Ito man Catholic persuasion, irba.at present adhered to their ancient hid) the. ugh a.principle of honour, hav ing altogethey slischargia-that - point of hortour.-woold turn round and eittnete the putadocteinet st the It.. formation. - For strewn - pan,. think-it iistiosseehat, novel to find pergros holding doctriries with regard `t religion which. they de ' wat.profiss • ' aed I s ehoold be s:srty. to say that Roman Catholics, foe Unity ofiwboos I entertain a high respect and affection.. 4 should4e sorry to think thwany 'Roman Catholic, af whate/er rank or degree. should be capable nf prOhssiog A sell , gion •the weak of which he did am believe. Allay I say is, that the Roman Catholic holds. esch'relighsoa sentiments armor to be trustworthy Or to be` ltileflitoil his oath; bat, with regard to the-point ofhoooto r I,do not we bow •the present Bill 'can do that away..-1.-do not see why it should*not be the same after that Bill has passed as it is now. It isgesetally admitted that . the Itoman Catholics have some ulterior oteeseres sit *ise than in the mere passing of **presto' agoessioal l ead if so, will not that point of honour, which has so long at tached 'them to their religion; still hold them to it? I do not see bow men .of honour. under each cisculn stances, could recede from the profession of their. prior circles; and 1 therefore look upon that argument as unworthy of support. I had intended to have gone (either into this matter, but I have already.trespused too long on ycur - Lordships •.attention--(111ear)...- I wish to direct the attention of . your. Lordships leather back in history. and to-show the utter lecotupatibility of attempting to associate Popish power with Protestant ascendancy. A attain Noble Lord has called history an old almaneek, bet I think such-an old almanack is very useful to refer to. and no one can make a new almanack refer to a periOd long gone past. A Right Rev. Prelate has extolled the change of feeling and the march of intellect in this country, and tejoiced.that all the young spirits of the day, that. all those who posses sed mental acquit anent, or were distinguished for sa gacity or talent, were . foiled ranked on the side Of the Ministers on the-resent .question, and that although authority was on-use side, <we should give way- to the new light of genius. With regard to the petitions-which have been resisted, I do not see how we ateMsle to calculate that all the talent and sagacity of the weary is to be found co ono side. I think the, English nation, bf the people. and the charlotte the . English nation, ought to have some weight with us—for it is my de cided opinion that the people of Engle:id havoegreater Aare of good • sense quid of ditcrisnioation thaw any people in the weld,. and a hate's" may , be sod of the middling daub(' people, they are. as well informed on the present Autumn as any other 'elms Of people. I new come to another. point, saattatilr, the.coedect of the Clergy in getting up petitions against the Bill. I can peat 'generally of the Clergy an t' it seirjeetihut et all events, of those in a particular ismer 'who !sa lon testy own diocese. 1 think .tbe Clergy are not, only justified, but that it is-actually then% -ditty, to use every !lotion to oppose this Bill; for I can neve+ ac cede to the opinion at those who contend that religion: has notbiait to do-with •the ,qoessioe. ..1-ridniikthat in - inchvidouleapacity there is , a cestaiolosiodary. which the Clergy thetaldnot torero"; and *jib mord to my own Clagya do not koow,one . instance, of.a cam of the kneed having °cowed. "twerp pir‘ition. hiolrwas entrusted to my handowas SatollipdAntl by which clearly showed del se' allaceedoes ohne those petitions wets adopted, the : parishioners - ;had applied so the Clotgytocr . 34petate with them.. Not i3oly aow,butisafermeeaceaseent where mg option:was mk. ed,l alwoyc told the people to do as that owagood mom directed them; Ilmted theta' het lons I would aot.sive it.. i'At veht;doid b, be, said of eh. inthreersol4bo-Clorgy of theAstabb-Clturob; ond . compavishm, teadehrtween theinikieete 'hey. pose sess • and the 'Orissa', 'domioion of thcesee g y. W beech al Rom. :In m 7 epinioti it , ri iritea Ride* nitration to the difference iehicheities•boviegg the two denellaleetions of - clergy. I will saLoothiegol, thef poWer if . 4thetatolifeepoirehltir.the 'Meissen Ca. ilttgie-tiefgril*ReiFes % bilt: I w isld wish ebipe to eteollm4- the- are 11144.4 mask ennfnetkins'otbd Vse-powerierhilth -sisseesh. Cised:rlnt thrdinglalenfeCni' a fir 1 411 1 ti For action. Um( ihe vtilk - Att NNW& iCitet-ekaill t*lnke AO itotholipCallsolicatiot meets ori this' Attrition its • fievittra !Otero" Cl!Wifel ' 'thought these. were higher confide, ations connected with it than thofe-Whicit are merely political. I tea . ' Wpm -that,-Lbsiedulated on • °alto .tilPf_. _ - filY gPii! 4 *Mr Moa"4l,ls>tiwiicliwo-Caikaicliliiiioo. -- .1 ands Plt•iltrthetheti the OFetrilfee 0 1..the1.., , eftilier ere superstitious and ido!atrous; and, :ropes • stmt mog i t u r a , t a s , , 44t oriti; ; ;lg hich ardier4it;l ii ,thii .,44i ik i i l 4l - sh F. oti .„ l i 'd - iit lr nasi ti t a lumi ns l !)our Idottheips! Hesse. did Itollat ,airy slop for rile ad, vericemoonektbac religion.. .1 feet that laonldialto so other coon*, than . ithativhielil . ll l l ,o ticket.. - , I aril's. I . 4are. not to anything to advaote Alt ineligion. I hove t Ikea the oath to which 4 refer. ant&l am bnuiri owe:pets 'Mr seetialests I. 1 this lioossin coincidence with it. 1. feet_ i‘tillAsid • to ; I,y'Rvicht R'ir. Friend (the lOrefthishop.of• Centeibtity) .for the: pact' be •hai . t :k isi reLealeb_.,.. AY support fait *olio, that ttithird 554 c log ' eleistthill shoirld.barroapnued'io 41)140,:sizarouttru . Thellisbrip Of • OXtORD—The Itighti•Reir.Asltne rya illiArd, to ;Whit! het,failtor from me, mitcl'ciiiiftee; It affords me very great. euistaction t ihs : he has. sale ; Woo allogethertheaubstanee ,ef•ary a/resents r. for• e had known the true arguments wheals I-bought be r a ward, I am sure he would have replied so them much • powerfully shoats-has done. • ' Irs the:first : plottt Right Rev. Prelate has assumed that I, in my pro ional-eapacity m Doctor of . Divinity, attempted to ipromulgate the: doctriae that measures of.fikate peaky Would beargeedos grounds ofaspediency alone, with out any reference to the immutable rules of morality. Int direct ooatrary is the ease, for I expressly •d elated bat I could not agree with the Learned Doctor who made this :assertion, and thee I ‘ thought all niessumoi even of State pilicy, should be regulated according to the immutable rules of morality, but that there were questions wh'clr had been argued ea the rounds • of expediency alone, and.on this . .question that I • thought the r ound if espediessy ought to . have a : powerhil effect. Thosesond charge 'which the tight Rey. Pie, late has nude: against • elle is, that I i seemed 4 that the penal statates ,fortnetu par t i , k kiiiCisOitution. Torr. I appeal to. your Lordthipt.iliethe e 7l did not soy aba' the entireConstieetioiwas ~ ‘aot Ash astir rest in: the Government, Legislature, •aad en exeoutivateerwereaad. that the pewit Statutes we 4 inexistence at the' data of the Revohrgem ; hit they hi:d . .ben . already broke . * in. :upon, and-that therefore.theArealiso, tom, not whether the laws which were establiqied st :theeisa. el theft.. aolution thug(' be . priatvid'inelidate, w those laws had been alrea dy broken in ? The third point in my speech to which my Right Rev. Friend alluded was ,this—He assented that Iliad'ettolledthistrarithea ma . son and the sierch of .. iitietteet ' hid arrierie4 the sway in Englaad r and; slow& /lOWA ',het :. tire,.yooraingOdri of our cotistrymanartmealtio , fampar of a-messiest*: `the Roan en VirthOlier: ' Q 0 the' contraqi 1 Istareatodthis , sucha chip,le halt takeo;phice, ski irelierel 1 . 'my wcirds.”-k wifirid4o:ri. that .socAt•wefe apt : .. case. The fiuttlspoiat ow which the Ifight:Rev Prelate ntiamideratoodurowas—He sopposodthat Idled asserted thet the siiritual t power of thetppe remained onshaken.-alelstitegh his- temporal. poores . hakes less: tied. What. I mid-was that the doctrine aid faith of L tbeltomanCatholieChurch remained th e same. although II rejoiced to find that those principles which were so. much objected to tbeltoman.Cat o its were given up. The lost thing of wbiCh thißillasltev: Prelate accused use of inns deprecating the • saminseits 61" Mr.'Fabeti be.; atthoexhi .eapreste4 illlsr,threat, the theofe_* menu orgeirby that Geaslinnaail at th e same ow sa t dared thabiOhomboo which I held of his moral - virtues and worth. - I have tom, - I believed. explained the five points is • nay sPeeeb en which the Right Rev. Prelate dwelt at such length; sad I toast, I have ezplaimed them to the satisfaction of your Lordships. The riltheferSUSSEXMy Lords,. I have listened with a considerable. ,degieei of attention to-tae speech delivered by the .Right: Reverend Prelate: who spoke lasebut one, if, reply: to :the able sad powerful ergo., meets I head from' that Iterereadbeich last night r aad I lament aiacerely that the sentiments :of . the Right Reefeend.holate and mine do DOLC;isiiikol: theses- lion befote.yom.'Lordfirips. , However' I Wilt rake the liberty of saying that am influenced by a sense of duty equally strong With that. of the Right•Revefend Prelate in pursuing the line of conduct whiChl have chosen in reference'. to ibis- subject, and, it I felt soy anwillingaess to-entertain an opinion different from that 6f the Right Reverend Prelate, I ass enabled to assume more COWidenCO in my own sentiments when I behold she two RagiusfProfessors of the Universities diffeting from each other ; for surely when differ, •ordi oary men way be allowed taentestain opinions of their own. My Lords, if, in handling this - subject, 1 eoold follow my own inclinations. I should confine myself ex clusively , to the • subject, and - limit my oh:mentions Within the question. of the expediency of the measure, aid the notate and provisions of the Hill on your Lord ships table; but IID mapy other topics have been intro• dated into the discussionaf it both here and eliesthere. *end) a view to inflame the publiomind against the ire& aura, that'll' feil grpelf irreoNtibli tempted to Meet some of these bare asseverate, fot 1 . cannot call them argements, , and• endeavour. to confute 'them to the sags. faction, I trust s of every hottest sad honourable mind. As to the: mtediesey of the • seizure. on that point • mower p& nor those fifth *bum Al have acted with for years fealtave the least,.dirobti ppssssticulaily Wiwi we romeathenthetare leave bees c . • in our. opie . nions by the fact, that.duriag the het few years matey prowlYtes ;Itad teen, gained over -tot the eases, of, cieil , odd ritigioss IlbetiY. Ilia , ' toilets slthrwilemi-I look to a certain Aperitif,' to 'the •de4artitiois ttt -2 Formes who consider .themselves the i cotadwirdeposiiories. .of Ms. Pict's opinion on 'this teiliject, - Mid tad them, representing that.fitatesman as anotteetty ! to the claims Of therCatholies. I can scarcely find laegnagissespes. , .my sesprise. Mj Londe, I contend toitlir.:Pitt held .west correct opinions con,shioinhject, sid isciod'ilitfi as mach sincerity • in his efforts to oarrpthisdptiadoll:ll , `Mr. Grattan, '3lr. • asi,*llllr. s•Wradhaus r inap Nate" ;Friend behind.me,i4srl Pron.'s: . 14,t- Unslin g . et the, ' ih i linclel e ed. s i bt ai sig l ed7 u tsi m a ded os h y ut e lic t atoi e tL i nse atis ai nd ividije a t sur n doc i::: gi ef ui sb nie litga il t " : ol ! • :: "Ga s e i catiArta ba . ..beets .asitt : lll4 - thill' fi joa.s nall 4 : 4 l4 „ : imam which I will vesture to. soialiould ' publishe d b ' ' MM. ave ,met the public eye, and the publication of•Whick iloali i" . as a breach :of pirate • tonfideaCe‘ ands- • 1 - au -de t i Fftiti Imedt ships' privileges, as well on my own scc- met as oa that c every Peer against shorn such isiegularzhargesso l y • made as that by the N ble Duke. The Duke of SUSSEX proceeded—My Lends. j :and that lam not out of order.. 1. ft .re not men. listed any indivi oil. and, if the Noble Lord who M ined me had only listened a little time longer to : .wit-I•waiioboet•iirseetite w‘ol.l.4li.cover Mat 1 did ion inimiii7he comilimenfliri him. 'Bit. as the - 146610 Lord took the compliment to bilissi4l shalt be lispp r isoleeyoit•o*-eise -Noble . -Zeed., -Bs referrittg. to Mr. Poi'. litter __top his 444)eSly. igiCkii tiqir s'fiiitori c ig document. -1141Ntt , eitfoseed like Old,r Of - admitting Phu Roman Catholics into .Parliament and the high Aces of State. for the sake. tf . thivierte and tranquil. Sty 4.1' led ind;*asid . therntril•etltare • Ofiltirempi,... i,. r. Pitt then goes sisoto sayothat,• In !emir his Majesty iglif not•chassge his Pliisitit4 - aa the .a bject. and iima (iii. P it) ihoofiliTail mobtaioing his miebtii am-% iiinalor that .easel 4* should feel osier thesseessiry of tendetiog Ins • issignation-; -eddies, however, • shit, ibmild his. ii&i:taocdbe - veqiiiteil toosucluct the alias id :she tYiti . kilt poser the exi t tiag'iiiiis; he wtoild'atessite. )o semi& an offiSe iroactime lorterfaiiiivehile io Offi er .• driettery thing. io hie fowertokeep :tiff tk• *eludes ef the question. reserving to himself the power of bang les it forward again - when' the rime and the temper of the Public mind should be favourahe to the dimwits if it. ,* Now, *fibeliette that it not the 'letter to' tibiett Use" Noble - ot ditanyenpasided;,4(TO Lord:Biopsy i--is . it ? . . ' ,Ide44so4YONsaldiewasoat. ' • ithe•Doke ef SUSSEX proceeded—Now, soy Leidy latterwas •Written- 'ow the Mit of January, 11001. nay Achniiistiailoti that aimed since that petiiid as formed oo the groondof oppeeitioo to the Catholic I" i SM. esciptliteAdatinistr aim of ray Noble Woods in.iign...samely. tint she particular time wes-net la. vesuablo to , themonsideratiou of the measere, veld . that kiteblic Wed wet: not 'friendly to it. . Ho w e ve r, ithaitk rpu Gog the. Noblibike at the bend of the Gonna. swat has takeseeedesr course. The Noble'Doke tells yoor•Lordshipe (bet bocusocives-the t time is come fee radios the question, sod that be end his Concaves have on their oworesponsibility w advised tbe Crows to recoo;sound to ; Podiums. the consideration- of the sib.. jvcr, with a view- 104 Sag and ,satisfactory coolest's& don. tonsfstaulf With the Maintenance of the Crowds. tioa intburth sod State, and the sicority ti th e risbts awd.friviliges if the/114p. and Clesgy Of Ibis reahat. sad .thecksobes-eatrosted . to , their charge. Various vtittetiond hate been made to this measure-6m, doe at is . a iitilation of the'Constitn. ion of 1688. Now, that assetton I deny. As a member of the Royal Is. May. I clois credit .as : ouch for -emertaisiog tio der she to encroach ootbe r piesogatiors . ter. the Crowe, as I do., in 'my character of a Peer ,of :Parkas's,- dabs 'credit for entertainiqg no design. of violating the rights and liberties of the , people—(Cheers). My Lords, - 1 deity that this , Bill . is a 'violation of the Constitution 011688; It is as little injurious to that Ceo ttitotion as it is ciussi . ateot with the greet . principles ea which that : was foesled. .My Lords, the Constitution of -ores thceed,of a keg contest be. tween the co-ordiomp Oahe. two Hoses of Par liament and thitrown. • kovoledow swept away all those powers claimed-med otettised by the Crows since the reign of Meg 'John. seemly. the power claimed' by the Crown orasakinsiaws witboat the con sent of the terakkoses of Parliensem i the regal power of imams ecclesiastical Calliblisissiaalr without the . car sent of Settee liaises of . Palliasses ; the tower of levying money ; and ether Royal privets/sties,. In fact, the &Tactic" put as sod to all sh e . paints - of 'dispute betimes** pretogatives Of the Crowe and* privi leges of the people, as snaintaisted , by. their represses.. dyes is Parbansent. Now,' toy Lords, the 'principles of that. tocidtatinet wets coasolidated in the Bill of Ilights r asid I ask •Neliks Ludo, does the Bill as Toes Laclibips .sable evade . the revision of - the Bill of Rights i I• thereat prin. ciples of the Bevelittlois Wei ibe recognititioo of the coordinate , power ,of ..doe two Houses of 'radiators without -unseat tpresioesly bad from the Crown .to ptopose,sbe stacunent of new laws or the , alteration Of catmint s_ietmeii. 'Now ano th er, point of the Coo beisition•ef 108 was,ffiat provision ohiCh.eouted that any person bolding religious communion -with t h e Chotchol . Rnmp, or ally persna - ariso • should • marry a l'apittoltoold "be declared incepthie of enjoying or Rollmops:she Crown— l that .soi people • of ibis coun try wooldifse•iiiisolved truss Moir allegiance to such a pee son—and that the Crown would devolve to the nest beir. Now; its the pntest•Bill I see nothing to impugn that, principle. In looking over the Ball I 6nd seve ral subordinate Sikes given to the Catholics; bet 'still there are certain Alas excepted which would enable them toe:miss sodas political inflame over theCrowa and other offices, in which they might possess the power i t interfering with the property of the Church. - Thu., may Lords, I 1144.1 have shown that the Casuistic* of 1688 is not ithieged • on, nor was disturbed, by the &Won she table.- Nowony Lords, for the several•peoal statutes that accompanied and followed the Bevolotice of 1688.—rs Of than I shall briefly say, that in the unmi tigated severity of their petal provisioss a ibey hive sot been equalled by any decrees or indium:es its the whale lionne of history, with the esceptioe, perhaps, of that lingle'Act against the Protestants of France—l age& 10 the SOIIO6OOI of the Edict of 'Nana. *Fran that period, my 4...;rd5, I shall .come down to the Act of Union nytritb-Scodaad.-By that-Act it wits declared that the tie? Parliaments of England and &alma shoeld be *tuber rquesented 'by one Pailiallitat, seder de nemo-of the Parliament of Great Britain. The snide @fibs Union referred to last night by it Noble Lerd o k aUttsion.4o the. oaths to be taken on • a Us& her of sub united Pailiasseet o deelares thatt are le teaseinlifOrgasitißarrsatentaboold think replete alter Mons. -Thu it-was lairfilews ass principle in that Act of Union that . Perfiessest bad- a right• and a peels Millet. each Oaths ethenever they iboild think Rig to Mat she eltetaties. , : BaCNolble Lords will tease it is not espidieet to mabn sib akesatios. I amine they will. not .go to the' length of , adding, that if. da Parliament Should ;hint , pr oper to recesonseSd de Crown to alter thestilaws,the Crews bas not the pee of making each alteration. Now, my .Lords. to raid to ornt.t less interesting. period of our histerp—l awe the relassion of penal laws enacted against dodll , .man Catholics. - At the union.of Ireland with sato ;Parliament sookiaso coosklesatios dietary mattes its • now arguing, and bad bought it ender their coisikow Owyhee they recognised the principk that the isseb int ,us Wilma loth, words in which it then stodd, "lcS l Parliastentebooldrotherwise preside I rhos US" IM the cnisclusion that sucb-was the sense in-which. nay matt recognised it in every Act since the establishes's' of thOdoestitition. Having. as' I trust, eitiblOhli_ this , position . I shall now proceed to soother. 1 1 :44., ' been contended that the Roan= vines , Catholic, , by his cosoeetilet wisp the Pope. k in a condition ie wadi he indsbit.46o44 Is itecessaidy divided. 1 1/ 4111 : i v " we " 1 "ro al r Lordaiillat illie ;MI 0 idiglaa r f,_ , ((either:sty iamb itiattairratootou very rlf;Tawr even spore !decal than the sea l sae only waking for this passing of the present Bill to ships' raoppOsitoosuftsdispose44ooid 4-111141441. Which of your Owdilaipsti.iski nes of tiro ineguigathttilkp tag t'lis suit As(Anesilition thusgrisk. all .414W W 41110041. be in 4 tries see : -ate askiepaei ial distiattiosis "jai dining apatlllo4lo4. *rut TWatioticiet e e h Kat barb : 4o4o. too. that ekw 1 —t. ? The Plies; t Clergy cold' ofksle em T irpportigg th is measure sae the : 4 tbis—AX‘y would not dirk. :41 not- longerAeraio stone( to be mischievous to Übe Efr f 'Lordships. 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