Star. — London, England, 1827-06-09 00:00:00

by Mid rolkstone , from the I nde p en d en t s of Henley . ' rel.ln New N Sarum, and from the Dissenters of Bolton k-' time; by Lord Milton, from those Dissenters who exercise the ;gee of Ministers In the County of Kent, and from the Baptists Hunsden and Greta Bridge, in Yorkshire; by Mr. Stewart, h e m the Dissenters- of Beverley, In Yorkshire ; by Mr. John w oo d, from the Elders and Congregation of Worship.street, lo be by Mr. Robert Smith, from the Dissenters of Wingrove, Aw n Abbott: Great Horwdod. Great Brick Hill, Long Creo offl an d W o obttrtt, In Buckin g hamshire ; by Colorise* Home, Abbott:, froo , the Dissenters of Conway, In Carnameonshire ; by Mr. Ho tortoom Maidstone . ; and by Mr. Littleton, frost Alton, Tam worth, Shelton, and other plates in Staffordshire. Thew Petitions were laid on the Table, and a few ordered to le printed. gr. G. DAWSON presented Petitions from two Parishes in the Donn of Down and Donegal!, against any further concessions to the Bol unCatbolics.;....Ordered to bi printed. Demme you. Mantua presented a Petition from the Incorpo. ' n od Trade of Shoemakers of the Oty of Dublin, against any tgeru ,,e, in the mode of Wetting Sheriffs foe that Qty.—Ordered is be Printed. A Petitiso was presented from the Provost and Town Council . 0 m e ti n g, praying the House to resist any concession to the to be printed. Er. FERCIIYAL presented Copies of the 6th, 7th, and Bth B er ets of the Commissioners of Rducation.—Ordered to be printed. OA IL HUTCHINSON presented a Petition from Cork against the Salmon Fisheries Bill. lilt O'NEILL withdrew the motion for Monday, of which he oa w ef j oe sday gave notice, relative to the Catholic Claims. Mr. MARSHALL moved for certain Returns from the Stamp face, for the year ISOS downwards.—Ordered. Mr. Alderman THOMPSON presented a Petition from certain Tradesmen, Inhabitants of Bishorgate Ward, complaining of the Bill y.,r preventing Arrests for Sums under 20f. The Hon. Member thoug h, t h e provisions of the Bill would bare an injurious tendency to increase had. Mr. HUME regretted that any Petition should be presented to the How, the object of which was to continue the law of impri. sconsenc for small debts. He was convinced that such a law only traded to the ruin of the parties imprisoned, without enabling the creditor to OD one farthing of his debt. _ After a few words Crum the Soucreon-Gmsaaat, the Petition reordered to be printed. yr. HUME presented a Petition from an individual named Conan, late a resident in the Cape of Good Hope, complaining of Kee act of the Government of I.isrd Charles Somerset. AIL W. HORTON said, that the case was one which had already tem under the consideration of the House. The Petitioner had hecomovicted of aiding a felon in his escape, according to the jolli est' Woe of the Cape, and he had appealed to the Goveronsent to reverts a judicial decision. Whether those forms required altera owl, and when it would be advisable to adopt changes, were imps rue questions; but, as long as the present system remained in ham, it was impossible that the House should attend to complaints dais nature, or that any interference could take place with the regular deci.ions of the existing judicial authorities. Lord E. SOMERSET said, that the Petitioner had been con victed of an offence against the laws, and that complaints to the GOVITIOIeht from •such a person ought not to be attended to. Mr. HUME said, that if oppression had been exercised towards this individual, his being in an humble station was no reason why his prayer should not be attended to. He bore a respectable cha racter in the Colony, and if its inhabitants were polled, ninety-nine out of every hundred would prefer him to Lord Somerset. Lord E. SOMERSET protested against the course taken by the Hon. Member, in traducing an Officer high in the service of the Government, by a comparison with a person convicted of aiding the escape of a relon—(llear, hear !) He trusted the House would net allow the character of Loid Charles Somerset to be traduced is this manner—(Hear, hear!) Mr. HUbl E said that he had spoken of the Petitioner's cha racter op to the time of his committing the offence, until when, it meta, fair as any mass in the Colony. Mr. W. HORTON - said, that the Hon. Member seemed to hold Lord C. Somerset answerable for every verdict given or eery Raceme passed in the Colony. This was a most unfair more; it was not common justice. We had taken the Colony with the Dutch lave in force, and as long as that system re mained, those who lived there must submit to its consequences. Every practicable means had been resorted to for effecting an ame locution of that system ; bot changes of that nature were not to be made with the dexterous celerity which the Honourable Member seemed to look fur. General Bourke, the present Governor. bad Mond the difficulty of introducing changes so grear that he had deemed it necessary to rescind an realer of Lewd iathurot's, for the toe of the English language at a particular time, considering, that step a. beirg too prematurely taken.—The Petition was or dered to be primed. COLOSIL BILADIALY'S CAI& Mr. HUNK presented a Petition from Colonel Bradley, simiJar to that which has been so frequently before the House. The Hon. Member said that this case Involved the weal= of what be coo seised to be the very improper power of the Crown to dimness Of hem from the Arnoy without assigoing any reason for doing so. Be objected to that power as being wholly unconstitutional. Lord PALMERSTON said henhould not now follow the Hun. Metaberinto the details of this case for the third tions—( Hear). — Ile vas somewhat amused at the lion..Gendeman introducing the hence as coming from " s Individual natuad Bradley," as U the Home bad never heard of the matter before. The rase of Colonel Ersaey was one in which a simple dismissal/ was richly merited ; yet le bad been permitted to retire with the advantage of selliog mounisiions which he never purchased. Throughout the affair Colonel Bradley had been treated with the greatest indulgence ird consideration. With regard to what had fallen from the Hon. Member upon the Constitutional port of the question, he could not conceive a principle more fatal to the Constitution than that tithe Crown not being at liberty to dismiss its own servants at 13 noun ple Br. BROUG HA M said, he did not rise for the purpose of &n -il& word upon the merits of the case. It was well boom) to Colonel holey', friends that his judgment was not so good as his sense of Lwow we. high, and that his case was one of error, though in judg asest ally. His object in rising was to call attention to a circum enteonnected with all subjects of this description. It was the ormice when any military or naval Wooer was prosecuted, to de fendant at the public espeose by a best of Counsel and the Croton Solicitor. This naturally increased the dillimeties and the expense 4. 0411 prosecutions ' and when th e i n di v id ua l s w h o or i g i nate d t h em *toed to succeed in gaining a verdict, they supposed themselves tO be at least safe in having their damages and costs ensured in the less quarter (root whence the defence had been provided. But Is, this Was not the cast. As soon as the Government found by *verdict that they had been defending the wrong-doer, and that was beaten, they turned round upon the parties, and would have *Mug more to do with them. 'lhen when the prosecutor sought *individual against whom the verdict had been found, he Ire lenity found that the party had been sent out of the cou ntry on lung° service and that he was left w i t h out any redress whets°. ever. This h appened in the case of Colonel Bradley. They suc ceeded in one point 'gaunt Colonel Arthur, and when they came to enforce it, he was gone to a Local Government in New South Wal es , Thi s was the general practice. and he mentioned it in order. that it should receive anemias from Hie proper quarters. lh. C RORER expressed his dismal& from the statement. BROUG H A The Hum GendeMsh says T am mis talen. It is very easy to say that; but I happen to Imam that I tin OW' Lord PALMERSTON said a few words as to the necessity et protecting otter, in the execution of their orders. Mr. BItOUGIIAM explained. Mr. PEEL aid that the rule which he would take in such cases was that of distinguishing such prosecutions as were either mali cious or grounded upon the acts of officers done in the strict execu tim of t heir duty. }}artif the parties were prosecuted for acts of their own, then there could be no justification of defending them at the public expense. Mr. CROK Eft said that tbe practice of the Board of Admiralty unto let ollicors defend themselves, and to defray tbe expense if the facts of the case turned out to be such as warranted that course. Mter a few words from Mr. BSOUGMAIII, Mr. A. DAMSON, and I Mi. Rums, the Petition was ordered to be printed. A I ltsoge from the Lords announced their Lordships assent to sevrt.l Nips Mr. POWLR rr presented a Petition from Senallwell, in the rvonty of Durham, praying the repeal of the 'rest Act. CAPE OF GOOD Hope. Mr• BARING had a Petition to present, to which he begged leave very shortly to call the attention of the h"°use. It was signed by nearly the whole of the in abitants of the Cape of Good Hope. That colony stood 14 wry sin gu l ar pred i cament as compared with the s3thtt colonies of Great Britain, inasmuch as it was not admitted to the benefit of the British Constitution. Our °the,. colonies had as speedily as possible, after they "me Into our possession, been converted into comtnu• of free men ; but this colony, and he knew not %.r what teason, WAS a solitary exception. The colonists !lived under.* despotism as complete as that of Turkey.. This was their state at the time of preparing the Peti tion, although he believed orders had subsequently been sent out to make some small alterations. There was a Governor, who held supreme authority, with a Council and with Judges remeweable at. his pleasure; and the lives arid fortunes orate colonists were subject to the sic veto of these Judges. He adduced these cir cumstances to shev that their only chance to obtain' redress of the grievances under which they laboured, was by Petition to this House, and on that account the House was doubly bound to attend to them. The chief grievance of which they complained was the changes which bad been made in the currency. He *quid not de tain them by entering into explanations upon this sub• Lett; but if Members read thePetition,they would see that it complained only of substantial evils, that it was cau tiously and temperately worded, and that it avoided all pantlinality. The name of Lord C. Somerset, was not Hen mentioned by these 1,600 Petitioners, who coo , pribended, he might safely •say, nearly the whole in habitancy of the Cape of Good Hope. It was impossi ble to converse with any person who had returned home from the Cape of Good . Hope, without teeing that it laboured under the calamity of a bad Government.— • .Whether this was the fault of the Colonial Department, or of the Government at the Cape, he would not under take to say, for he would not indulge in any personal *tacks, but for fifteen years this unfortunate colony bad been in the situation he had described. As rT -motion was soon to be made on the subject by another Honourable Member he would not eater upon details; ►ut he could not avoid mentioning one spec , fic evil. A paper currency had been put upon them at the rate of , ts.6d.the donee ,which was subsequently reduced to Is.6d. He did not charge this as an instance of corruption, but of gross and inexcusable ignorance. When the Go vernment wanted 500,000 dollars, for the purpose of building new barracks, they issued new paper to this amount, and thus depreciated the old. He ventured to say that there was no banker's clerk in London but must be aware of the folly and absurdity of this conduct.— The.petition complained that there was no check upon the Government, Ito free press, and that the power of Government wasexercised with tyranny. The petition complained of the progressive increase of taxes, and sala ries, and p:nsions. It was unquestiopehly the duty of the House to investigate the subject. He trusted that the Noble Lord now at the bead of the Colonial Department would examine and correct these abuies. From what he had seen of that Noble Lord in this House, he had the greatest confi +eine in him, and he did not hesitate to say that the change which had taken place in the Colo nial D .pertment was,, of all the changes, that which save him the greatestaatisfaction. The only true remedy, he believed, was to give the colony something of a free form of government. 'lbis was the only security against oppression. Let them raise their own taxes and manage their own affairs. In a recent instance a printer had been sent away for re-publishing a paragraph from a London Journal. Why trial by jury should not be ap plicable to this colony he professed he did not know.— The only reason why this colony was in a state of so much worse than the others, was, that it had a worse government than any of them. Mr. W. HORTON admitted the respectability of the petitioners, and that their statements were worthy of the consideration of the House. But he must enter his pro test against the idea that nothing had yet been done, and that the present was the only time %viten a hope could be entertained of any improveinent. This was not jus tice. It was impossible when a Colony was first con quered, to introduce British Institutions all at once.— But in 1822, a Commission was appointed, intended to be a Meliorating Commission, not in consequence of complaints, but before any complaints were received.— He had himself moved for the appointment of this Commission. The Hon. Member had said that there was something peculiar in the situation of the Cape of Good Hope. Vas he not aware that the Mauritius, -Ceylon, Berbice, Van Dieman's Land, and New South Wales, and several ether of our Colonies, were in pre.. cisely the same situation ? He referred to the documents 'on the Table to shew that the situation of the Cape of Good Hope hid been attentively considered. He had also in his possession a letter from General Bird, who, if he were to be described as an enemy to liberty, would now be so described for the first time, and which ex pressly stated that the Colony was not fit for Repre sentative Government, or for Trial by Jury. He denied that there was no check upon the power' of the Go vernor, for no regulation could be put in force without teeing recorded and submitted to that House. And, taking care that the administration of justice should be pure, he would ask if there could be a more convenient form of Government, than that which consisted of a Governor, with a Council, every member of which had the right of protest, and whose regulations with or . without such protest were constantly submitted to the revision of that House? He thought this a good system of Government, till the time should arrive when it might be possible to introduce a better. But if public opinion, if the opinion of that House, and of its individual Mem bers, were ee be a check upon the authority of the Go. vernors,he thought they ought also to be a check upon the unfounded complaints of the Colonists. As to the com plaints of taxation, did they never hear of such com plaints addressed to that House by the people of Eng land? And with respect to the currency, the complaints originated in ignorance ; for he was persuaded that fix ing the standard of currency at the Cape was a most beneficial measure. In this respect again the Colonists only complained—some of the people of this country complained, from whom they constantly heard that the fluctuations of the currency during the last twenty years had been the cause of every evil. He would not tres pass upon the time of the House by entering into de tails. The papers were upon the table, and he was convinced that at the proper time he should be able to convince the House that no negligence had been shewn by Government. He would now beg leave to refer to another subject, on account of misre presentations which had gone abroad, and which, though of no importance here, Here of great importance in the Colonies. He did not allude to anything which had taken place in that House, but to the conduct of a gal lant General, who addressed a letter to him, and in doing se, he had, he thought, adopted a most incon venient course. It would have been much better if the gallant General had approached this House by Petition, so as to have afforded the opportunity of fair discussion. In the letter he had mentioned, Sir R. Donkin bad complained of him (Mr. W. Horton) for stating that he had offered to prefer charges and afterwards withdrawn them. This was not what he had stated. He stated, truly that a letter from Sir R. Donkin had been re ceived by Lind Bathurst, alleging that he could make disclosures respecting the conduct of Lord C. Somerset, which would be the means of covering him with ruin. T-Te must contend that the Secretary of State af,er this had the right of calling upon him to make direc• charges. This was in fact a charge according to the obvious meaning of the English language. He had afterwards declared that he did not mean to bring for. ward any charges, and he was then told-that all the' disclosures he bad yet made were already in possession of Parliament. Mr. MABERLY vindicated the character of Sir R. Donkin, who hod left the Cape with ample testimonie. to his merit from all classes of the inhabitants. He said that the Cape was suffering under misgovernment, and this he was now ready to support; but he was not disposed to put himself for ward as a public' accuser. He would- not arcade to the conduct of the Noble Lord who had been Governor of the Cape, as the crestions relating to him were about to be regularly discussed. Sir R. Donkin had the merit of redeeming the finances of_ the colony from a state of the gieate.t confusion. it was, be admitted, an indiscretion on the part of Sir R. Donkin to publish, but the Noble Lord had amply opportunity of vindicating himself, and it was the fault of,his friends that the subject had not been earlier brought before Parliament. • rcidausea, whose name we could not learn, ex pressed his opinion that the conduct of Lord Bathurst towards Sir R. Dunkin hai been marked by extreme delicacy. General Velasquez and other Officers had been dismis>ed the service for similar conduct. Mr. HUME protested avian this comparison. These charges related to civil government; those of General Velasquez to military matters. The Colonial Depait ment ought to have instituted the inquiry. Mr. W. HORTON said that the Coloni rl Depar tment had never called upon Sir R. Dookin to be a public ac cuser. He stated that he had disclosures to make, which would cover Lord G. Somerset with ruin: He (Mr. W. Horton) then, by order of Lord Bathurst, wrote to say, prefer distinct charges. On his expressing a disinclina tion to this, he again wrote to him to say, that Lord Bathurst could not permit him to flinch, and he then avowed that he never intended to bring for ward charges. What ! was he not to be bound by his assertions? Was his declaration that he bad disclosures to make which would cover Lord C. Somerset with ruin to go for nothing? The Hon. Member had said he had read his pamphlet.„ . Was this pamphlet, then, to be taken for Gospel? He had read it, and he would mention one instance as a proof of the 'credit it deserved. It contained a direct charge of cor ruption, and referred to the information which wa s to be afforded by Mr. Brink. It was fortunate that the pamphlet was published before Mr. Brink's arrival, for it bore, in a no . e, an attestation to his character as an honest man, which would preclude the author from now saying, if Mr. Brink should tail lo confirm his assertions, that he had been corrupted. Mr. Brink, he believed, would break down, or would refuse at least to carry the load which Sir IL Donkin had intended to lay upon him. When Mr. Brink was applied to, and the charge investigated, it turned out to 'be perfectly unfounded. Lord C. Somerset had refused a personal interview to Sir R. Donkin. This wastrpe, and it was equally true that the object of that interview was to solicit Lord C. S. to pro cute from his Majesty a personal honour for Sir R. DJN kin, although he afterwards attempted to make it appear that it was for affairs of State. When pressed to pro ceed with his charges, he referred to information which was coming, from the Cape. This information had arrived and been laid before the House, and he (Mr. W. Horton) was now ready to proceed in the investi gation of the whole matter. But for a man to talk of covering another with ruin by his disclosures, and then to refuse to make any charge whatever, was certainly what he could not understand. Mr. MABERLY explained.—Sir R. Donkin was ready at any time to come forward as a witness but not as a public accuser. Mr. CANNING would only offer an observation or two in defence of the conduct of the Noble Lord fa merly at the head of the Colonial Department. Was it pos sible, he would ask, for the head of any department to act more fairly, or more with a view to promote the ends of justice than Lord Bathurst bad done? A'Gentle• man came home and said that be had disclosures to make which would involve a high Officer under that Department in ruin, and was then properly called upon to make formal charges. If he had been in the situation of Lord Bathurst, he would have insisted on having the charges in writing, and on no account would he have granted an interview to such a person without somebody to take down in writing all that passed, in order to avoid any subsequent disputes as to veracity. He thought that if Lord Bathurst had committed any error, it was rather on the side of facility. As the head of a public Depart ment, e had a right to adopt the precaution he did, in order that his veracity should not afterwards be disputed. But did Lord Bathurst stop here ? No such thing ; he entered upon an investigation, the results of which were now before the Howe. Whatever motives might have produced the very extraordinary conduct of Sir R. Don kin, that pursued by the Colonial Department in the very difficult and delicate situation in which it was placed, was perfectly unassailable. After a few words from Mr. H. GURNEY, and Mr. BARING in reply, Mr. W. HORTON said, the gallant General, when hardly pressed, availed himself of the txcitse, that he had been anticipated by information received from the Cape through other channels. He wrote to him to say that Lord Bathurst would excuse him. Asa notice stood on the paper for an early dal on the conduct of Lord C. Somerset, he trusted the Hon. Member would inform him before he brought it on, what were the charges upon which he meant to insist. It would obvi ously be impossible to meet charges picked out without notice From a period of fifteen years. The Petition was ordered to he on the table and to be printed. AOROUGH 07 PVIIIIII. Lord JOHN RUSSELL gm notice, that he would move for leave to bring In a •Bill to transfer the elective franchise, lately vested in Penryn, to Manchester—(Hear, hear). COMMITTEZ O► . Mr. CANNING then moved the Order of the Day for going into a Committee of Supply. . . _ On the question that ih; 'Speaker do leave the Chair being put, Mr. M A BER LY rose, and was about to make some observation, when, owing, as we believe, to some suggestioo front an Hano - urable Member near him, he sat down. The House then went into a Committee. HU INA/MeII WEISAGI. Mr. CANNING then moped that his Majesty's Message be read, which was accordingly done, by Sir A. Gamer, the Chairman. Mr. CANNING-4 , On a former evening, when I brought forward, in the Committee, the statement res pecting the grants for the year, I took the liberty of stating, that I should ask an additional vote of credit to the amount of 500;0001. for the purpose of meeting any additional expenses which might accrue from the stay of our troops in Portugal, for whatever time they may remain. The grounds upon which his M a j es ty' s forces were originally sent, were, at the petiod they 'embarked, so fully expllid, sinf so, I may say, un a niniously appreciated b e House, as to render it quite unnecessary for me now to expatiate upon the subject. I shall, therefore, merely add, that the same causes which rendered the sending them of importance, although very considerably diminished, nevertheless still exist in suffici cot force to make a continuance of the sa me coarse neces sary. At that time I stated, that it was not possible to make a disclosure of the full grounds which justified the adop. Lion of that course, without putting by erery hope of an adjustuant of those differences which led to it. If that course were wise at the moment when the difficul ties to be overcome were great, it must be much more prudent tb per s in it now, when well•founded hopes are entertained that the desires adjustment is approxi mating, and that the time is not far distant when all necessity for further interference on our part will be at an end. That the course we pursued was necessary, will not, I think, be denied, when the dangers which menaced Portugal are considered, and it is a source of satisfaction to know that those dangers were dispelled by the mere presence of the British troops, without any ob ligation to make active use of them. I have also great pleasure in stating, that although many disagreeable changes and variations have taken place, and some which bete a threatening aspect, yet the councils of Spain, I am happy to say, are now of a tendency much more fa vourable, and that they are inclined to forward the ad justment and the removal of all difficulties. But,'al though I say, that I entertain most favourablehopes, yet I am not able to point out the precise time at which this favourable terimination is to be expected. It is sufficient, For the present, to know, that the same state of things which existed when our troops were sent out, does, in some respects, still continue, and the House will, think, be of opinion with me, that since they are once there, it is better they should remain until every resist ance be suppressed, and all danger be at an end. This, however, I think it necessary to say, that the stay of our troops in Portugal is only referable to the same causes which were the origin of their being sent, and not to any new changes or intentions whatever. Hav ing stated this, I shall content myself with moving, " That the suns of 500,0001. be granted for the support of his Majesty's forces in Portugal." Mr. BANKES said, that he bad originally differed from the opinion entertained by the House upon this subject, and he still adhered to the sentiments he then expressed. He should trouble the House with but a very few words. They must now begin to see that it was not likely to be a very easy thing to get out of the course upon which they had then entered. He had not been con. Tweed by the speech delivered by his Right Hun. Friend upon that occasion, splendid as it was. It was, indeed, a memorable speech, and it would not soon be forgotten either in the Old World or the New. In consequence of this speech they bad taken the precipitate steps to send troops to Portugal, although not a single Spanish soldier bad crossed the frontier, and now they found that they bad not the power, or at least that it was not competent for them to bring them back. By their precipitation they had exposed the coun try to the danger of eventual war. They were now in ibis peculiar situation that their troops now in Portugal could neither be kept there with justice, nor withdrawn with safety. The Right Hoo. Gentleman said, that this state of things would soon, be hoped, be at an end. He hoped it might be so. But at the same time he could not refrain from the remark, that the present proposal a( the Right Hun. Gentleman did sot appear to coincide exactly with such hope." After all the ordinary expenses of the Army had been pro vided for in the Estimates of the year, they were now called upon to vete a sum equal to one hundred pounds per man, for the wire!, number of our Army in Portugal was, he believed, only about 5,000. This grant was, he supprerd, only 'welded to maintain them till the next meeting of Parliament, and it was impossible that so large a sum could be required, unless it was intended to double or triple the amount of the force. It appeared to him that the hopes atilt Right Hon. Gentleman were fallacioue, or that they were now called upon for a most extravagant vote. He had no wish to urge his opinions in opposition to the feeling of the House, but be thought their interference from the first extravagant and uncalled for; and be believed that if they were now at peace, it was not to be ascribed to the moderation of their own conduct, but to the moderation of France. Colonel DAVIES defended the policy of our interference, and insisted that if the same language and attitude had been assumed in 1822, France would not now.have been in possrs•iun of Spain. Colonel LINDSAY said, that France must look with the utmost jealousy at the Portuguese Constitution, as it had ►een stated in that House that it was a Constitution likely to excite the passions of all Europe. He disapproved of England's sending troops to support a Constitution to which the Portuguese were indifferent or ►ostile. Hs trusted that the expedition was meant only to prevent the invasion of that country by Spain, otherwise England might be plunged into a war, as every country in Europe was inimical to the Constitution of Portugal. Sir J. MACKINTOSH sad he did not rise so much for the purpose of replying to the observations of the two Hon. Gentle men who preceded him, not meaning at the sante time to intimate the slightest disrespect, as of taking this opportunity, the first which presented itself, after a long silence, to effh ass his opinion of the policy pursued with respect to Portugal. be prompt. decisive, and vigorous succour afforded to Portugal, he looked upon as forming one of the brightest pages in the history of the country. When be spoke of the prompt and vigorous succour afforded to that country, he would nut be understood as meaning that that prompt and honest compliance with the terms of the treaty was at all a subject of congratulation, or commendation, because it was a duty which every country, under similar eircurnvances, was bound in honour and good faith to discharge. He confined his praises to the prompt and vigorous manner in which the terms of the Treaty were acted upon, which reflected honour upon the Government, and which, at the time, was hailed by the unani mous approbation, not merely of the usual supporters of Govtrn anent, but of all parties which then divided the House. However they might have differed on ether points, with respect to this only tine sentiment pervaded the House—(Hear, hear). With respect to the arguments and observations of the Member for Dorsetshire (Mr. Bankes), they did not bear upon the present question. They were all retrospective, and bad reference to what took place so far as December last. Unless he could prove by argument that they were bound to retract the determinations to which they then dame, that such a change of eitcumatances took place as should induce Government to recall the force front Portugal, unless he proved this, his opposition could have no practical effect. It was not easy to see what the object of the Hein. Gentleman was, for be now declared that if an Address was proposed to the Crown for recalling the troops, he would not agree to it. The present proposition, therefore, had ►is concurrence to all intents and purposes, at least in a Par liamentary sense, he might be said to give it his support. He did not pretend to be so good a calculator as the Hon. Gentleman, or to be able to say what exactly ought to be the expense of this or any other expedition—What amount of money would be required for each individual of the force now in Portugal; but, it was most absurd to say, that the measure of a vote of credit, suchis that now proposed, ought to be the actual amount of expense expected to be incurred, and no more. Wharyer HMI night be voted, it did not necessarily follow that the whole was to be expended; but an ample vote, promptly and unanimously given, might eventually have the effect of lessening, in place of increasing the expenditure of the country—(hear, hear!)—might have such an effect on those of whom he wished to speak only in measured and re spectful language, those Powers to which allusion had been made in the course of this debate, as to induce them to persue sock a line of policy as would render the maintenance of a force in Portugal any longer unnecessary, and prevent the evik of an esp. usiv: and protracted war. The Honourable Gentleman did nut seem to have calculated, neither was he (Sir J. M.) able to cakulate what the expense might be of transporting the troops back from Portugal when their further stay should become unnecessary. It would, however, amount to a considerable sum—not, perhaps, one ball of that proposed to be voted, but, certainly, a very large propor tion of it. The Honourable and Gallant Officer who spoke List, observed that the house should now revise a decision to which, in his opinion they bad come its a fit of intoxication, excited by the circumstances of the moment, and by the powerful and eloquent appealtben made to the House; He was not in the House at the time; but, though not present, he bad no hesitation in declaring, that he partook of the intoxication then excited by such noble— each generous and prompt interference, to rescue an ancient and faithful Ally, and in that state of intoxication he still continued... (Hear, beer.) He rejoiced at so vigorous anti prompt a discharge of duty, for though duty they were bound to pertness it might have beat done in a manner less efficacious and ►atercable. It . I il il • 1 1 ,1 'i • ' • i ( ! . :,... 1 ' 'il f i it 1 I 1 I 1 i 1 1 I '' ''' 1 1 i)i 1 i 1 i i !, : 1 f I ! _., ,1 d \ ' I .1 1 I •• ~ 1 . 1: 1! i , ! i • : , lA, . .. 1 - ..i 1,- li Unless ne coma prove by argument that (hey .ct the determinations to which they then Eanir , , of circumstances took place as should induce all the force front Portugal, unless he proved I I t) ould have no practical effect. It was no t easy to riche HOD. Gentleman was, for be now declared was proposed to the Crown for recalling the • : agree to it. The present proposition, therefore, to all intents and purposes, at least in a Par- might. be said to give it his support. He did good a calculator as the Hon. Gentleman, or to exactly ought to be the expense of this or any vhat amount of money would be required for 'I he force now in Portugal; but, It was most the measure of a vote of credit, suchis that now be the actual amount of expense expected to be ore. Whatever HMI might be voted, it did not that the whole was to be expended; but an my and unanimously given, might eventually opening, in place of increasing the expenditure ear, hear!)—might have such an effect on wished to speak only in measured and re. hose Powers to which allusion had been made debate, as to induce them to persue such a line render the maintenance of a force in Portugal t ary, anal prevent the evils of an esp. naive and • he Honourable Gentleman did nut seem to thee was he (Sir J. 2d.) able to cakulate what a of transporting the troops back from Portugal r stay should become unnecessary. It would, o a considerable stun—net, perhaps, one half be voted, but, certainly, a very large propos'. anourable and Gallant Officer who spoke last, louse should now revise a decision to which, in I come Its a fit of intoxication, excited by the le moment, and by the powerful and eloquent the House. He was not in the House at the Let present, he bad no hesitation in declaring, ,1 the intoxication then excited by such noble— ; 2 interference, to rescue an ancient and a that state of intoxication he still contineed-aa k ea ri sn , c ii i i t eal ashy tratteysiessowevidargeorcboliasntdanaopp7mrierumembhupgmt discharge