Star. — London, England, 1820-11-07 00:00:00

I " .° t • • •.• I '1 • S • regular course on this occasion, as en all others to be, for the Chancellor, as the Speaker of that House, to propose the Tres- Lion, to wtdch their Lordships would swayer in the usual way, " Content," or " Not Content and then the Chancellor would give his opinion, as to whether the Contents or Not Contents had it. and if a division was then called for, as was most probable, the strangers mast withdraw of course. Lord HOLLAND said, that if the question were mar* to, be put in the ordinary way, he agreed with the Noble Lord that *triggers must eventually withdraw on the division. Strangers then withdrew at three o'clock, and the noun proceeded to vote on the second reading of the JUL At twenty-five minutes before four o'clock the state of die votes was announced—. For the second reading of the Bill Against it in favour of the Bill, and a/abut 1.5 95 Majority has Majesty, only - . - • 28 The House instantly adjourned till ten o'clock to-azormw, (this day„) LIST OF PEENS WHO vamp VON AND AGAINST TUN [MOND STAVING GT THE DEGRADATION AND DI'bRCE BILL. TOL AGAINST. Dukes of York 'Dukes of Gloucester Clarence Somerset Beaufort Hamilton Rutland Argyle Newcastle Leinster Northumberland Grafton Wellington Portland AtJspl Devonshire Montrose. Bedford Richmond (St. Alban's, absent from illness). Margitlmes Bath Stafford Lan down Marquisses Courtesans Atngiesee Camden Northampton - Fatter Beadfort Thomond . Conswa!Bs Buckingham Lothian Cbtrensberry Winchester. buts Hazeourc Spoke and Wuvrick Vortanouth Earls Delmar Ranter Darlington Egremont Fitzwilliam Stanhope Cowper Dartmouth Oxford Roseberry Jersey Albemarle Plymouth Essex. Thanet Denbigh Suffolk Pembroke Pomfret Macclesfield Aylesford Balcarras Home Coventry Rochford Abingdon Shaftesbury Cardigan Viscid%sea StamfOrd Bridgewater fluntingdon Westmoreland Harrowby St. Germain's Br ownlow Whitworth Verulam Cathcart Mulgrave Lonsdale Orford 'Weevers Roue /Celine Powis Limerick Donouginnore Belmore Mayo Longford Mountcashel Riupton Liverpool Digby )fount-Edgeti AbergavennY Aylesbury Bathurst Chatham. its. Ezmouth Lake _ sidmoiath Melville Curzon SidneY Falaknutb Hereford. Barons Somers Rodney Middleton Napier Gray Saltouo Forbes Prudhoe Harris Ross (or Glasgow) Isleklrum Mill Cumbennere ' Hopetaun Gambier Manners Aliso Lauderdale Sheffield Itedesslale St. Helen's Northwick Button Eldon, C. Bayning Carrington De Dunstanville Brudrick Stewart of Garlies Stewart of Castle Stewart Duuglas (1sIorton) Grenville Suffield Montagu Gurdon (Motley) foltersford, Dctby Blessington Ilorlei Blinto Hareweed Romney Rossiya Caledon Enniskillen Farnham Carrick Carnarvon Mansfield Fortescue Grosvenor Ilibborough (Marquis of Downshire). Tiscts. GraftMe Anson Duncan H.ed Torrington Bolingbroke: Barons Ashburton Bagot Walsinghant Dyne-for Foley Hawke Ducie , Holland Grantham King Belhaven Clifton (Darnley) Say and &le Howard of Effingham De la Zouch Clinton Daere Audley De Qifford Breadalbane Erskine Arden Ellenborough Alvanley Loftus (Marg. of Ely) Fitzgibbon Calthorpe Dawnay Yarborough Dundas Seises Dlendip Auckland Gage Fisherwick (31arvis of Donegan) Amherst Kenyon Sherborne Berwick. 4s. of lork. Jkbp.of Canterbury 'Nam Nit Loudoa Asaph's Worcester St. David's Sly Chester Peterborough Lbodatf Cork and Rase cloncester. Of the Majority of 28 in favour of the Bill— Twq Princes of the Mod, holding high - Offices at pleasure - - - - Cabinet sters, avowed prosecutors in this accusation - persons bolding dices dependent on the Prosecutors %'he Archbishop of Canterbury, who prejudged the case by rasing her Majesty's name f ro m the Liturgy - Wove P e ers, who attended the Prosecodoo,' and were absent for the Defence : the Doke of Newoutle, and pod. Nei 04 Sharickt • e of her exalted rank and situation, the necessity of addressing your Lordships, bat that, in some form, the Protest of her Ma jesty will be admitted. The Earl of LIVERPOOL thought, as this might be the most convenient triode of her Majesty expressing her sentiments, there could be no objections to receiving it ; and, to prevent its being drawn into a precedent, some entry on the Journals, stating it to be a special ease, might be made. The LORD CHANCELLOR deemed it his duty to state to the House, that the only way in which he conceived the Protect could be admitted, was, not as a Protest, but as a representation fetes her Majesz, instead of a personal Address Lord LAUDERDALE begged to know from their Lordship., Whether, considering the context, that Address would have been received in the House *apart of a speech without interrupticr. : It was impossible that their Lordships could for a monser think of permitting suck a violent attack upon their cliaracttr. He found, that it was mid, in that Paper, that Noble Loris cam" from the Secret Committee with minds biassed by a nu , s of slanders. How could her Majesty, or her Majesty's visors know, that all the evidence which bad been brought u. fore the Secret Committee bad not bees laid before the !louse This was one of the most direct calumnies ever vented against the House. He, for toe, had sat upon the Committee, and he declared before Goa, that, his opinion of the Queen's guilt had arises from her owe defence. Was it possible that their Lordships would permit themselves to be thus slandered? With sit due respect towards the Illustrious Personage who was under such circumstances in that House, and with every feeling of delicacy towards her as a female, he could not help making some observations upon the Protest she had thought proper to present—so powerful was his sense of duty. He begged and implored their Lordships to recollect their own dignity; and, while they were permitting any statement to go upon their jour. saps, to take care that it should not convey any stigma upon their own character—(/fine, hear). The Duke of NEWCASTLE rose. He had, he said, heard some observatiops, intimating, that by an expostfacto live, souse of their Lordships, who had been unavoidably absent, were to be deprived of their most valuable privilege, that of voting. Now he was determined to maintain all his privileges, and he should do his duty conscientiously, without fear of consequencts. Lord SOMERS said, he had not attended during the whole of the investigation, in consequence of the intervention of sieve unforeseen circumstances. The part be had not heard was a small part, and his hearing not having been very good, he bad removed to a situation near the bar, in order that be might come to a decision upon the most impartial view of the evidence. Me had to offer in excuse for giving his vote whittle having beard the whole of the case, that at the commencement it had been stated that the casual absence of Noble Leeds should net pee. vent them from voting. Having saki so '*tech, he had to add that there never was a case in which be was more firmly con vinced of the guilt of any defendant than of the *tilt of the Illustrious Person who was to be affected by the XL He considered. her guilty of the essential part of the charges spins& her, and he taught it but jostles to 'the House to eats the grounds on which he bad given his vote whist the =entre-- (Cries if " No, sso r). ; Earl GREY said, the question before the House was whether 'their Lordships should or should not receive the Paper pre anted to them—a question which had, nothing to do with the Noble Lord's seithnentsfif the Bill-;-(Heer, hear). Lord LAUDERDALE thought his Noble Friend (Somers) joiliked instating the mends of his vote. The Dike ot - ATHQL agreed in the *pion, that 'this was Pet the exact time at ve 'eh to ester into a diacussion upon the merits of the M. Lord SHEFFIELD regretted that be bad been went dodos part of the proceedings, but justified the vote be had given. Lord CARNARYON said, the case was of such a nature; that the absence of any Noble Laid for a tingle hour might have been of, great importance. Mack however, in such cir. cumeauces as those under which the Queen laboured, must be left to the discretion of deb Lordships.' He wits aware that the langutge of the Paper was, strictly speaking, objectionable, but great allowance should be nude for the painfid situation in which her Majesty was placed ; and he trusted that the greatest latitude would be given. He should curtain!) , have been much better pleased if her Majesty had said, their Lordships had came to a consideration of her case under circuMetanoes which rendered At impossible that their minds should not be biassed—(Hear, Arae).—He, at the same time s me declare, that if he bad beta on the Committee, he should* ten entertiJo st thought of voting, convinsed, as be was, that such was human iisfurnity, he could not but be an inadequate judge—(Hew)..—Had be been Counsel farther Majesty, be would not have advised her to submit any niece appeals to the House; and be 'veld not help expressiog his surprise at the fact that some Noble Lords thought themselves at liberty to come in a decision about the guilt or innocence of their Queen, and at the same time to trample under their feet the most vital principles of justice !—(Jfear, heor).—He cons bussed the conduct of the Noble Duke (Nrereastle), who said that an es post facts law had been made to prevent him from voting. Unaccustomed to the forms of law, the Noble Duke ' bad, in the meioses discharge of hie duty, trenched upon the most obvious principles of justice. Why, asked his Lordship, bad the Noble Earl opposite moved; at' the commencement of this proceeding,..that the House should be called Over? Why was it that no Peer was allowed to vote by proxy? Was k oat because no Peer was entitled to vete who did not per. Aenally attend the investigation of the ease/ * Whet' the Noble Doke claimed the right of voting without hearing the defeuce, be was, in fact, claiming to vote by proxy ; it was to all intents laud purposes the same thing. He remembered well the words of dms, oble Earl opposite (Lord Liverpool); whoa be moved the all of the House, be had said, • most emphatically, that be trusted no Noble Lind would presume to give a vote on the case who did not hear the whole of the evidence--(Nese). Noble Lord =the Woolsack, too, had assented to the principle, though be bad somewhat qualified its application ; be had said, that if bonnet to be two or three days skean during the proceedings, beilhoodd not coodder.himself justified. in voting male 11W— hear)i—But did either of these Noble Lords ever cos tdophide that any Noble Peer who should be abieut, not days but weeks, who should not hear one word of the defence,, should come down and say, that he was net only ready to vote for the girl, but for the severest Penalties which it captained ceedings in the case—when we logic at the conduct of those who paws ago should have manifested a protecting care for the person and character of the Quash—when we look at Hanoverian Ministers and German thietes and picklocks ; at the Milan Com mission ; at 'the agents and hirelings of that Com mission ; at tilt subornation of witnesses against hit Monfart—when we recollect the abstraction of a witness pending the 'trial ; the refusal to have a Conspiracy enquired into till after its victim shall have suffered.! When we look at all these things, we say,-Let not the Country believe that any act whatever, as connected with this trial, may not be attempted by the persecutors of her MAJZSTY.-- When we look at all this, and take into our consi deration the interests of the country, which are now put in jeopardy by every step In these proceedings, we say, that nothing car. save the country from these evils but the voice of the country, powerfully ex pressed by the legal means which the People still possess—namely, by Petitions—strong, but respectful Petitions to his MAJESTY and the House of Commons, praying that the due administration of justice may not be violated by the passing of an Act unknown to the laws, and subversive of the first principles of British jurisprudence. This right the country still possesses ; and this right, it is believed, will be 'acted upon Cis now actually preparing to be brought into action] from one end of the kingdom to the other.—' We have only to add, that not a moment is to be lost. HOUSE OF LORDS, NOVEMBER 7. FROCAEDINGS OF THIS DAY. TRIAL OF HER MAJESTY. The Loan Csuilicawsa took his seat on the Woolsack a few minutes before ten o'clock, when Prayers were read by the I I Bishop of Baum, and the list of Peers Called over. The Earl of LAUDERDALE observing that the bar was prepared as if Counsel were expected to attend, and that Mr. Gurney, the short-hand writer, was seated as during the exami nation of witnesses, wished to know the reason of such pre parations. The LORD CHANCELLOR ealled do Mr. Quarme, the Deputy Usher of the Black Rod, and inquirei by whose order the bar had been prepared ? Mr. Qvaana.- 0 My Lord—l cannot inform your LOniship ; on my coming into the House, I found the bar in the state it now is." The Usher of the Black Rod, Sir THOMAS Trawnwr, was then called to the Bar, and he stated, that the Attorney-General's p e rt had intimated, that the Attorney-General world attend at the Bar, in consequence of which, he had ordered it to be prepared. The LORD CHANCELLOR wished that every Officer of the House should understand that, in future, no such prepare ' liens should take place, unless by an order of the House. Lord DACRE then rose to present a Protest from her Ma.. jetty, and said—My Lords, since I came down to the 4lome this morning, a Protest from her Majesty has been pat into my hands. Not having taken any shun in the debates oo this pain ful and important iluotion, and entertaining, u I do, strong initlngs on the subject, I ought perhaps, to make eomeapology he now addressing your Lordships. But my opinions, my Lords, were not influenced by what has passed at the Bar of this House. My objection to Bills of Pains and Penalties for acts long since committed, was so strong, that no evidence that could be brought forward would, in my opinion, justify re sorting to such a measure. Having had this Protest placed in my bands, I will mike one or two observations upon is.— Whatever opinions I may have had as to the nature of this pro ceeding, I concur most cordially in the first part of her Ma jesty's Protest, that her acknowledged prosecutors have voted against her on this trial. I know that prnedents may be found for such votes, and it is left to the ipdividuals themselves to de cide on the propriety of prosecutors acting as jurors; but the country will form an opinion upon it which it is not difilculs to anticipate. Her Majesty further complains, that some of the parties who have given their voices agaiost her, have not attended the trial 'doting her defence—(Hear, hear).—l will not say they had no right to vote, if they could reconcile suck an act to their consciences. Her Majesty then protests, before Goo, that she is wholly innocent of the crime laid to her charge, and de clares that she will abstain from all further appeal to your Lord ships, reserving to herself the further vindication of her charac ter in another place. I now, my Lords, will read THE PROTEST. di The Queen has learnt the 'decision of the Lords upon the Bill now before them.' In the face of Parliament, of her Family, and of her Country, she does solemnly protest against it. Those who avowed themseles her Prosecutors, have presumed to sit in judgment upon the question between the Queen and themselves. Peers have given their voices against her, who had *heard the whole evi dence, r the charge, and absented themselves during her dffence. Others have come to the discussion from the Secret Committee with minds biassed by a mass of slanders, which her enemies have not dared to bring forward in 411 e light. " The Quessf does not avail herself of her right to appear before the Committee ; for to her the de tails of the measure must be a matter of indiffer ence; and, unless the course of these unexampled pro; should bring the Bill before the other branch THE EVEN. kit STAR. LONDON• TUESDAY, NOVEMBER 7, 1820. TAE FUNDS. PRICE OF STOCKS THIS DAT AT 074 E O . OIOOE Bank Stock 214-4lper Cent. *educed 671 II 67 674 S per Cent. C 1414. 68i 67f 63 67 j— per Cent. 76i 76 4 per Cent. $O 1-5 per Cent. Nivy 100 Long Anni. 17 7-16—India Stock 221 444—Bonds MC pr. New Anna. 671--izeliequer Bills es. ss. pie. Dumdum 2j als.—Ossia. for Account 68; 67{ 68. THE QUEEN. Considering all the means that haVe been em ployed against the Quesx by her Manurry's enemies, the division of yesterday, in which the majority for the second trading of the Bill of Pains and Penalties vas only Twenty-eight, may Le held as a triumph on the part of the Illustrious Accused—or, in other words, as a defeat of the prosecutors. A majority of only Twenty-eight in the Hottse of Lords, the attend ance of Members being full, has ever been considered equivalent to a defeat of the Ministers of the Crown; because, in that Assembly, the personal influence of the Ministers, the presence of their friends, the well understood wikhes of the Sovetustcni, and the power of patronage, are generally known to be more imme diately operative than in the House of Commons.— In fact, remove from the numbers on the side of the majority the names of the Members of the Cabinet, of their immediate relatives and connexions, and of the Members who formed the Secret Committee, and whose judgMent in deciding upon the evidence ad duced at the Bar must, from that previous examina tion of ex-parte evidence, have been most injuriously warped—remove these names from the side of the majority, and the majority and minority will quickly change places. In none of the Courts acknowledged by the Laws of England would it be permitted that the Grand Jury (the Secret Committee) should, with minds im pressed by a secret'ex-parte trial, where no explana tions were had, no counter-testimony received, no witnesses cross-examined, subsequently mingle with the Petty Jury, and mislead their fellow Jurors by their own impressions, incorrectly formed but firmly preserved. The principles of natural justice would' demand the absence of the Queen's accusers, the principles of our own law would equally require the removal of the Secret Committee wbo placed her.in a state of accusation. There is yet another way bf viewing this majority, equally satisfactory to the QUEEN, and still leaving to the country a power to boast that some virtue re mains among our Nobility :—Of the Irish Repre sentative Peers, 11 were for the Bill, and six against it five : of the Scotch Representative 'Peers, nine were for, and two against the Bill—ma jority, seven: of the Bishops [yes, of the Bishops 13 .It, were for the Bill, and one against it—Tutal of these majorities, 23, which constitute no part of the English Nobility. Add to these nine Cabinet Mi misters—that is, nine mho could not vote in favour of the QUEEN without voting against themselves—and the aggregate will be 32, which, being deducted from the nominal majority for the Bill, will leave a majority of four against it ! And, again, it is held as an axiom in our Courts, that where a doubt prevails, the accused shall have the benefit of that doubt—a doctrine which even the QUEEN'S enemies admitted in the course of these pro ceedings. Let this doctrine be applied practically in the present case, and her MAJESTY stands acquitted; for can it be said that the High Court of Parliament entertained no doubts on the case, when, notwith standing all motives called into operation, no fewer than 95 out of 218 of the Jury—or Judges—or Pro secutors—or by whatever other name they may be called, were against the Bill ?—ls this anything like the unanimity required in an English Jury ? No— nor will Englishmen ever acquiesce in the justice of any infliction, settled in the same manner, - and by the same means, as a Turnpike or a Canal Bill ! But, in addition, we have to remind our Readers that the House, or at least certain Members in the House, stand pledged to compensate the injury done to the QUEEN'S case by the abstraction of a witness, by the Agenu for the prosecution—pending the Trial! Is this to be given by a per centage, deducted fruit) the majority? When it is recollected that the exa mination of this witness stood connected with proofs for the defence, that d conspiracy existed offered ceedings . against her MAMTT (but which the House, in its of the Legislature, she will make no reference what- —4l4 : l l4ch t r t —lle th ti r tglit , this lore of justice, refused to inNire into), will it be de- was Ilotisecoult a rnot mil Lo muc h, ever to the treatment experienced by her during the any strict rules of p ractice. - in favour of the accused party . pied that the deduction for ihis injury Des, an injury . • last twenty-five years. He saw nothing so informal in tie Protest; as should re not yet redressed, though promised to be so should vent its being received. The contents of it, as f ar as 44 She now, most deliberately, and before Goo, respected matter of fact, were strictly true; 'they were such as be at least at the rate of fifty per cent. from the Mi they would soon - asserts, that she is wholly innocent of the crime laid l a: thew i hod ir Lordships, stlz as the whole country, tonstenfeel; for, s e w fu h l i e c o re f.. nisterial majority? to her charge; and she awaits, with unabated confi- numbered the judicial character of their LotdsWps would never Will Ministers still persevere in pressing this Bill dente, the. final result of this unparalleled invests- :f in - K P I PY that hi g h situation which it l!ti'heretofore wain through Parliament ? Many think, that for some gation r The LORD CHANCELLOR - explained; that •he had no time they have felt at least an equal anxiety to get The LORD CHANCELLOR..—I appeeeeod, A . thati d .d ace : ". ....g_ 1 te liacila ttt t• ht e r ce /!l viP eai g sty th s e ho P a te i s t t av ill e th w e in t f il " b n en7fit o o ti f le i r t ; ; themselves white-washed, in some way, by the vote en 42 to or the a Dlrudina"of this maestros, r nactil he perm:lw' who Is the 01, - 01 . ---- tie I his doubt thatdoob as t was all A ss dar to ess tite fro p w rope he r r 'sn ma ¢d 6..;, e of the thing , lie the second reading, as to gain any other object what-r...,, containing ghat ever, and that they will now contrive sOnle - means to Bill hoe a right to be._ personally heard. It Is, therefore, for she had farther co say in her behalf, it might be accepted; but asou Lordships so madder whether this Protest tit° iv received that to prevent its forming a Vreiudicial precedent, it would strangle it in the Committee, as none cannot believe it the A of the Individual: as I we lilac 2 , .be proper u toter the reception of it on the Journals In these possible that Ministers, on such a small majority as -‘ g‘', words.— Mwithstandisig the exceptions which the it may be received, but that as a Protest it cannot. I might take to the contents of the Protest, yet, wider the tir a : Ma they have obtained, and with such I strength of opi- Lerd DACRIL—My Lords, I awn swam of alni.4llßegliy funittawei of the case, they consent to receive It as bet : se nion opposing them against this tremendous and pointed out by the Learned anti .Nahlo Lord on thelftolooki ex representation a gzhat her kfijusty hes farther to truly radical 13i11, will attempt to carry it through but as it is admitted that her Majesty may be beard personally, l .` DACRI saw no cot; e cj er ten peo in eon. baps made Parliament , Nat, when we look A the whole pro- Tow I . 4xdsbi n Igo ow/ "44 not *lb to pray On a rif*W e slss the Jettnelf. II! as A wi X to IC en se: sp4 EI sa di wi tie Ci Co Ildi Mr ice the an dr to M in bj