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no statesman, not French, had ever held such language as autho rised by the system of European policy. The noble duke had said much upon the importance of observing facts and dates, but there were many circumstances connected with those transactions which did not require the precision of dates to understand them. It might be true that the proposal to blockade the Dardanelles took place before the noble lord came into office, and it might be true that no positive exhortation to war had ever been given to the Turks; but could it be denied that all the language of the ministers, from the king's speech downwards, was calculated to buoy up the hopes of the Turks, and impress upon their minds that England would stand asa shield them and Russia ? The noble duke had described his resolution as ridiculous. He had said it was almost as ridiculous as the resolution proposed by lord Nottingham, and supported by the Whigs, and all the great men of the time. He was willing to bear the ridicule, and allow the noble duke to run his rigs on him, if classed with such company. What was the resolution alluded to? After the treaty of Utrecht had been signed. a motion was made in that house, calling on his Majesty to enter into a negotiation with certain foreign powers, and particularly the Duke of Lorraine, with a view to oblige them to send the Pretender out of their dominions. (Hear.) It was argued against this, that his Majesty could not enforce such a resolution, and therefore ought not to be placed in a situation so absurd. The objection, how ever, was over-ruled, and the resolution passed ; so that in the opi nion of the Parliament of that day, it was not so ridiculous as the noble duke had described it. The noble duke had spoken of the protocol. lie (Lord Holland) would ask, did he mean to adhere to the protocol or not ? The protocol gave to the Greeks the whole line from the Gulf of Volo to the Gulf of Arta. It was now sup posed, however, that it would extend from the Gulf of Volo to the river Achelous—a longer line of frontier, and as good a military po iition as the other; but, unfortunately for the poor Greeks, omitting a line rich tract of country that would have been secured to them by the former arrangement. As for Candia, however, he thought that though neither the noble duke nor he were very young, both might live to see that island pass from the hands of the Turks ; nor did he think it would have been difficult to obtain it by negotiation, without provoking the extremity of war. It was some satisfaction to hint to ',sleet that his motion was to be got rid of by the previous question,l which, if be understood it, was an admission that his motion might to! just and true, but that it was not expedient in point of time. He hoped that they would conclude the great work they had begun, by erecting Greece into a powerful and independent State, and that the &hate of that night would have the effect of adding to the import oace and the character which he trusted that England would always rossess in the Mediterranean.—(llear, hear.) The Earl of ABERDEEN, in explanation, said, that he should not have presumed to differ front the noble lord respecting the opi nion of dir. Fox if he had not what he considered the most India potable evidence in his favour. It was not upon a reported speech of Mr. Fox that he relied in this instance, but upon a state paper, written by his own hand to d l. Talleyrand, during the negotiations td 1806. The language held by Mr. Fox in that paper was that,' as to what related in the note of the French Minister to the inte grity and independence of the Ottoman empire, no difficulty could arise, those objects being equally dear to the two contracting par ties. A guarantee was also mentioned by 51. Talleyrand, which it was to be inferred, from the above passage, that Mr. Fox was wil. Eng to agree to. Lord HOLLAND said he was not aware of the circumstances under which the despatch was written ; but he would confess he was greatly surprised at the quotation. The previous question was then put, a carried without a divi sion ; and the house adjourned at nine o'clock. HOUSE OF COM MONS.-Fiu DA V. On the assembling of the house, Ur. Wright presented certain returns of the number of exchequer bills in circulation. A new writ was ordered to be issued for the rentm of a member tor the borough of limey, in the room of the Hon. R. Heneage Lien, who has accepted tile Chiltern Hundreds. A new writ was also ordered to be issued to return a member for Wenlock, in the room of the honourable George C. W. Forester, ho has been appointed one of the Grooms of his Majesty's A number of private bills were read a first and second time. Mr. J. WOOD presented a petition for the construction of a 1:-rbour at Exmouth. The SOLICITOR-GENERAL brought in a bill to amend the Isws regulating illusory appointments. The bill was read a first time, and ordered to be read a second time on 51onday sc'nnight. The SOLICITOR-GI NERACaIso brought in a bill to alter aid amend the laws respecting arrests for contempt ; a bill for the amendment of the conveyancing laws; a bill for consolidating and amending the laws respecting infants and lunatics; and a bill f or consolidating and amending the laws respecting real estates, The above bills were severally read a first time; to be read a second time on 11Iondav sennight, and to be printed. _ _ DISTRESS OF THE COUNTRY. Col. SIBTHORP presented a petition from the metchants, trades men, and inhabitants of Lincoln, complaining of the general dis miss of the country, and praying the house not to grant further supplies until the state of the country should be taken into consi 4:eNition, and measures adopted for its relief. The petition war m.ist numerously and respectably signed, and he (Colonel Sibthorp) tally concurred in the sentiments it expressed. After reading ex tracts from the petition, the hon. member declared that " he uotild divide the house to all eternity" before he would vote tea the supplies being granted until the state of the country had been fully talon into consideration—(hear, hear). The house was '.iii a sacred spot, in which members might yet speak their senti ments without fear of prosecution--(hear, hear). And he hoped close sentiments would be wid e ly diffused throughout the country, i:. order that dm public might know that their complaints were not siiently passed over. fir. FAZAKERLEI cnuld bear testimony that the petition ex. prestietl the feelings of a large majority of the very respectable inha bitants of Lincoln, and he fully concurred in the prayer of the peti tion —The petition was ortiertil to be printed. REPORTING DEDATES. Colonel SIBTHORP expressed his intention of moving on $ f.,tore day for granting greater faciltites• to those persons who at. tnded the house for the purpose of reporting its proceedings. EAST INDIA COMPANY'S CHARTER. S , r T. MARTIN presented a petition from the merchants, ship. owners, and other persons interested in the trade of Plymouth, paying that no exclusive privileges should be granted on the expi ration of ,the company's charter. —The petition was ordered to be printed. sir. STANLEY presented a petition from the chamber of com melee, and signed by a great number of merchants and manufac. taxers of ‘lanchestr, praying for a modification in the charter of Cie Cast India Company.—Ordered to be printed. At:- L. WODEIiOUSK presented a petition from Tunstead, in .tor odic , praying for a revision of the corn laws, and against the conzinuation of the molt and beer duties. 31e. O'CONNLLL presented a petition from Cork, against the belect vesrriec• bill. Also another petition from the same place, against ihe sublettiagact.—Ordered to be printed. 3lr. O•('fINNELL gave notice of his intention to move, on ilte 17th instant, fur leave to bring is a bill fur amending the vestry act. Slit' sheriffs of London appeared at the bar, and presented a peti tion from the Lord Mayor and Corporation of the City, praying for 1 ate to bring in a bill for the amendment of the New London bridse act. On the motion of Mr. Alderman WOOD, the petition was read, ra.•d ordered to be relent-4 to a COMlllitttn. Shetifs aim, presented another petition, respxting lands be -I.leg rit to the City in St. Georges-4145. LAW OF FORGEhY. .i:. Secretary PEEL gave notice that he would move, on Thurs. it. me nth ot March next, fur leave to bring in a bill for amending a•..i consoll.lating the laws relating to forgery. ESSrAL PETITION. nr.WESV:R.N. in presentin g a ;ietition from the freeh o ld ers o f t•t; county of Rises, adopted at a general meeting held on the pre.l c,,',-it day. relative to the distressed state of the country, observedl u!eattitgn that petition Was not the one lie haul supported at the nt..ti• aht. contained, in some ;hats of it, sei,thitents to which he Itrangly nhjacted, he still felt it I:is duty to preseut it.ft was signedby the sheriff of the county, in accordance with a resolution passed at d:euteeting, but he (31r. Western) would much rather it had borne the signatures of those freeholders whose sentimenta It purported espreas. He fully felt for the distress—the general public dia. tress —prevailing throughout the country • but sooner t ha n s i gn tie petition h e t h en h e ld i n his hand, he would allow his hici to be chopp e d off. The honourabl e member proceeded, at so length, to comment on the distinction between the two pets. tuns proposed at the county meeting, the first of which he bad ollputted. and which he would read to the house. He again re- Prred, that 'lie bill of 11319 was a direct robbery on all the debtors of the country, and, unless some measure of value should be devised, tat as equitable footing, between the productive and unproductive ea•ses, the ruin of the country would be accomplished. (Hear.) He (tlttterved the proposition with which an hon. bort. (Sir James 6 '''' ; '` 4 " , ) was to come down that night, and, in order to avoid 'his ( 3 lt. It'tstern) intruding again on the house, be begged leave then acute that he must clippie that motion. It would not give tfLual relief—would not mitigate the distress= of the people; in his opinion, nothing abort of the repeal of the act a 'alp, would be compensation for the robbery which that bill had cownuitted on pH b. dc .ors and imyers of utass.lHear.) r. aW. f1.4,41.V.Y s aid that the hon. Temkin for Eseax (Mr. IVest ern ) seeme d to hai e a livfl recollection' of the &feet which his propositions esrorienced Ike kgi llr *g er *.p..... C i f f i - eholders of his couuty..--( Hear.) kp h gentleman ern:duly did the meeting justice in one irespecf Ug 'he withheld it in another—he impeached its prudence while he extolled its patience. Now he ( Mr. Harvey) understood that these virtues that this distress was general, he co u ld not but rem e mb er th e qua . were always co-existent. It would be too much to . expect lifications with which to government had met the statement that from the honourable gentleman an eulogy on the pnidence misery and wretchedness every where prevailed. The right hon. of a meeting which rejected his petition, and adopted one ftmetri. gentleman opposite explained his view of the subject by stating, tally opposed to it ; but it was creditable to his candour to admit that in England, indeed, the distress was general; but that with the patience which was shown by the freeholders in listening to his respect to Scotland and Ireland such was not the case. Now this oft-repeated arguments on the currency--(Hear, and laughing.) The exception strack him as being very remarkable; for surely it must meeting bore not the tone of piety about it, and it reject ed all factious have occurred to the right hon. gentl e m an hi mse lf, that hisargu feelings. It admitted that distress existed, but It its univer. ment would bear strongly against a principle which he had he althy ; and,whlle every man was persuaded that the public suffer- quently defended. He (Sir J. Graham) would ask, Are not ing was increasing, and would, if not checked, bee me overwhelm- Scotland and Ireland exceptions from those measures with respect ing, he appeared convinced that it was not yet !too late, and to which the right lion. gentleman and myself have so often die. that effectual measures would ensure relief. The meeting did not freed, and to which I mainly attribute the distress of this country ?" concede every thing to Parliament, but it stated that much could be —(heate hear.) In 1826, when the government, contrary to the done out of doors, and it told the people that with themselves a principles laid down by Sir Francis Baring, by Adam Smith, great part of the remedy lay. There was one measure which'was and by Mr. Hall,—contrary also to the opinion expressed by the decidedly recommended, and in the propriety of which he cor_ bullion corranitte bf 1810, and contrary even to the more recent de dially concurred—namely, the reduction of the rent of land to the cision of the cornmitteeof 1819, all of which went to this point., that' standud of 1792 or 1797. He saw no reasons why pensions a paper currency, payableon demand, was a sufficient check to the and the salaried of the officers of Government should be reduced over-issue of paper,—when the government proceeded on a different while the rent of land was left untouched.—(Loud cries of hear, principle, and enacted that the small notes should be withdrawn,— hear.) Taking it for grant e d :that rents were fifty millions a when they came to that determination without due inquiry—dme reduction of 25 per cent. would give imm e di a t e re li e f to t h e occu - l a id the foundation of that widely-spread distress that now existed piers of land to the extent of twelve millions, and he hoped that the in England. (Hear, hear.) Scotland and Ireland, where the small landlords would bear that in mind, and not be irritated with their note currency was not touched, were not, it was raid, borne down tenantry for being once opposed to them--(hear, hear). The te. by calamity; but England, where without inquiry the install-note nantry spoke the truth, like persons determined, at last, to be heard. circulation was suddenly withdrawn, was, they all knew, invaded They acted as became them,and as became that class which was once by the most cruel distress. (Hear, hear.) He must, however, the st of England, the farmer and the yeoman. The meeting first take leave to say, that the fact of the absence of distress in recommended the taking off of t we l ve or fi ft een m illi ons o f those taxes Scotland and Ireland remained to be verified. But, if such were the which bore directly on the productive interests of the country, and case, it did not bear against, but, on the contrary, it fortified his then it took up a proposition which he had n a m e d t o t h e h ouse l as t argument . H av i ng said thus much on the distress of th e country, year but which had not been treated with much attention—n a mely, he now came to one or two gener a l propositions which were nem a well regulated property tax. Yes, the meeting said that the beat nary to the support of his ptopoeition. In the first place, he would tax would be on property graduated by a scale , and varying from observe, that the Bank res t r i ct i on act o f 17 07 pro d uce d two dif two and a half per cent. on annuities not a b ove 1 . 300 a-year, to 10 ferent effects ; the one was a depreciation of the value of' or 15 per cent. nay 30 or 40 per cent. on overgrown incomes. (Hear money, and the other a great rise of pekes. Now the rise of prices and laughter.) With regard to the taunts which had been thrown at that day was the cause of granting increased salaries; but prices out spinet him, he (Mr. H.) declared that he held them in utter having again come down, he did not know how they could fairly indifference. He was satisfied with doing his d u ty, a nd h e felt that proceed with the increased male of salaries.—(Hear, hear.) He he could not do so without meeting with some interruption and lois- would here refer, first to the evidence of Lord Sidmouth, in the directed sarcasm. year 1802, when he came forward to ask for an increase of the civil Lord HOWICK must confess his great surprise to hear the list he said—" When gentlemen refer to their own experience of calumnies which prevailed in some of the publications of the day the increased value of every article in the course of the last two or against the landlords of England uttered in that house. He could three (yeas,} and when they reflect on all the circumstances of not with patience hear It said that thelandlords exacted from the te. the times, I am sure 'the excess of the civil list, which renders nantry more than the value of the soil. He declared that such a an addition to it necessary, will be readily accounted for." charge was totally unfounded. He knew that the landlords were These words were not very clear, and did not go to the full length not that grasping and avaricious body which they were charged with of his proposition, though it did support it to a certain extent. being; and he could only state that, though distress existed largely In 1804 a fresh debt was accumulated on the civil list. Mr. Pitt in that past of the country with which he was connected, a single was then-prime minister ; and he came down to the house at that farm never became out of lease without becoming the subject of an time to call for a grant of money to make up the deficiency. Almost active competition at an advanced rent. the first sentence he:uttered on that occasion clearly showed that the Mr. LENNARD said, the hon. member for Colchester at the alteration which 3lr. Pitt then moved for was considered of a tem. meeting spoke of the landlords as having flinty harts—as mere vu. popery nature, and was to terminate on the return of peace. He said, luptuaries —as men rolling in luxury, and careless about the suffer. No gentleman who reflected on the very considerable rise that had logs of those around them. It was because these sentiments were taken place in the price of every article of domestic accommodation listened to with approbation at the meeting that he wished to hold could Le surprised that his 3lajesty had not confined his expenses himself disconnected with the amendment. Th e people were moved under that head (the household) within limits that had been marked with distress, and, unless something was done, the time might az- out so long since." Here Mr.P. clearly assigned the reason for -.taking rive when all hope of temperate measures being made available must an additional grant,—namely, the depreciated value of money,which be abandoned. was at that time 40 or 50 per cent. and the increased price of provi. Mr. HUME thought the hon. member for Celt:heeler had been 'lons. The fleet authority he should quote was Mr.Perceval,who, in unfairly dealt with. He proposed an alteration of the present sys. 1809, applied to parliament for an increase of the salary of the tem of taxation, which was b etter t h an a system w hi c h oppressed judges, and from his statement they might learn the extent of do. only particular nterests, and he looked for relief to those sources preciation at that period. He culled for an addition of 1,0001. per where, in his opinion, it could be best afforded. Now, he appealed annum t o th e sa l ary o f eac h o f t h e pu i sne j udges, and an increase of to the House, whether it would not be wise to abolish tithes alto. the Welch judges of 3001. a-year, on the express ground of the de pther, and) pay the clergy moderate stipends, according to their crease in the increase of the price of provisions. At that time wheat dudes.—(hear.) The petition said no more, and as his hon. friend was 91s. the quarter, and gold was 41. !Os. Oil. per ounce ; but declared that sonic clergymen were voluptuaries, and lived a life of judging from the price, not of one commodity, bat of all commodi. pleasure, it was no more than a moan m i g h t b e in d uce d to d o w h o t i es, it was manifest that a very great rise in their value had then had £211,000 a-year.—(hear, hear.) The error lay in the enormity taken place. It was o: importance to mark the opinion of of the payment. those different ministers, who, one after the other, showed that Mr. F. PALMER thought that if the salaries of public offices the principle on which they proceeded in calling for an eaten. were reduced to the standard of 1792, it was a fair proposition to sloe of wanks. was the high price of provisions, and the have the rents lowered by the same measure. Let the taxes be re. depreciation of the currency. Now, the fact of the high prim duced to: the same standard, and he would go hand in hand with of provisions during the war was a matter of such notoriety, any member in lessening the amount of rent, and not think 10, 16, that there was no necessity to dwell longer on it : and, in his or 20 per cent. sufficient. (Hear.) There was not one landlord in opinion, the fact of the depreciation of the currency was England who had not made abatements, and the rent of many equally clear. But there did stand on the journals of that farmers were lowered from 6001. to 4001. house, a resolution which was meant to negative this latter feet. Mr. N. CALVEItT said, there were many hard landlords as well It was resolved, at a time when the guinea was worth 28. i., as good and benevolent ; but the former must give way, as the land that a pound note and a shilling were equal to a guinea. It was would, after all, only fetch its value in the market. gravely decided, by a vote of that house, that things which were very Sit WESTERN replied. unequal In public estimation were absolutely equal Every man The petition was then laid on the table. who could count ten on his fingers must have felt that this was a Mr. WESTERN again rose to present a petition, signed by 800 fallacy, and the very next year parliament showed that they were or 900 respectable gentlemen, merchants, and Udders, in the town convinced it was nothing else, by panting an act declaring it to be a and vicinity of Chelmsford, the object of which was to state be the misdemeanour for any person to pay more than 21s. for a guinea house that distress prevailed in every class of society as much as it —(hear.) And yet, after this, the house and the people were asked did among the agricultural. It stated that the evils of the country to place entire confidence in ministers, to rely implicitly on the were growing with frightful rapidity to a head, and they entreated sound views and comprehensive wisdom of an administration the house to take steps to arrest them, which alone could be done by composed of the shreds of those who had committed these absur. repealing the bill of 1819, which, by altering the currency, tended dities—(Hear, hear.) mainly to afflict them. 0 ! nascent homintun curas—O pectora caeca !" Mr. WESTERN also presented a petition from the owners and Various and discordant were the causes to which they attributed the ozcupiers of land in the parish of Tellingham, in Essex, in which prevailing distress. At one time the harvests were over-abundant one farm of the best land was abandoned by the tenant, the charges at another, the harvest was eeticient. At one time, there was too on it being greater than the produce. The petitions were then laid on t h e table.was much heat ;at anotn e r, t oo li tt l e . A t one t i me , there too much d e rought rn ; at another, too much rain —(H ear , hear t h But they Mr. G. BANKES moved fo r p a p ers e to b e re f erre d to the East never once recollected the finely-exp r essed maxim, " at every ad. India Commit ttee. dition to the burden of taxation increases, as it were, the sterility of I,ellr. T. COURTENAY rought up minutes of evidence relative the soil."—(Hear.) The act of 1819 restored the value of money to Cola. to a very great extent. The right hon. gentleman opposite, (for 31r. FYLER. moved for returns of raw and manufactured silk whose integrity he had the most unfeigned respect), in moving for Imported, with the duties payable thereon. the alteration in 'the currency, quoted the period of Queen Elizabeth, Sir. STEIVART gave notice that he would, on the 3d of March, when there was not a u arthin, farthing of debt, and that of William, whey between for copies. of all the correspondence which had taken place the debt amounted to about 2,000,0001. and the interest was only between the Board of Control and the Authorities at Bombay, re- a few thousand pounds. He never touched upon the consequences luting to the interference by the Government there with the Judi- which 'the change was calculated to produce, and which it had poe cial Body. duced in every department throughout the country. He could speak COMMITTEE OF SUPPLY. freely on this point, for reasons that could be easily imagined.— The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER moved that the He was, in 1819, a very young member of Parliament, and his own imagined.— report of the committee of the supply be brought up. private opinion was overborue by authority. He pinned his faith Mr. CALLAGHAN (of Cork) hoped he would be excused if he on the justice of the views entertained by Mr. Ricardo,—a most took the present constitutional opportunity of briefly stating his amiable and wall educated man. He said that the value of the cur- opinions on the external and interred relation s of t h e co u n tr y a t this rency was regulated by the market-price of gold, which was then period. In the fi rs t pl ace h e tendered his gratitude to hi s Majesty's 41. I s . per ounce. He (Sir James Graham) had mime doubts as to ministers for not embroiling us in any hostile collision with Portu- the correctness of his doctrine—doubts, which were further gal. and he was also happy to find that our relations with Mexico strengthened by the observations of his hon. friend, the member for could not be permitted to be disturbed any longer by the feeble efforts Callington (Mr. Baring.) He was, nevertheless, overborne by the of Spain. It was gratifying too to witness the dexterity with which authority of Mr. Ricardo, and he voted with the right hon. gent. they got out of the toward or untoward affair at Navarino, and that we When Lord Liverpool, the colleague of the right hon. gentleman, now found the United States of South Ameri ca i n a state of peace. urged the same measure in the other house, he stated that the With respect to theinternal condition, it was tru e that much distress alteration would not create a difference of more than 3 per ant. prevailed, but he thought it quite erroneous to attribute its existence But what was the fact t Why, it had caused a variation of 26 per to any one particular cause. He denied that the government were cent. and the hon. member for ('allington had told them that the chargeable with having tampered with the currency ; they had only variation would be from 25 to 30 per cent. but never below 26 per carried into effect, by the acts of 1322 and 1826, t h e pr i ncip l es whic h cent. The other honourable member for Canton) (Mr. Attwood) Parliament adopted in 1819. Although he held that any Minister had calculated that the difference which would be effected in the who should propose to put our monetary system upon a paper value of the currency by the measure of 1819 would be still higher. foundation would deserve to be consigned to eternal infamy and ex- Another honourable friend of his, Mr. Brougham who was not now cannon, yet he thought som e pl an m i g h t b e a d opted to relieve a member of the house, a nd w h ose o pi n i on , therefore, it was not the country from the effects of the Act of 1825, such as that pro. irregular for him to read, had in 1825, when, arguing on the sub posed by the present Lord Bexley, and adop te d b y t h o Cabinet lot of the judges' salaries, in his usual comprehensive manner, of Lord Liverpool, the principle of which was to emir private gone over the whole subject. lie said that " a few years ago the bankers to make deposits in the wa y o f security. e thought judges had £3,000 a-year, to which £33 per cent. had been added that the value and merits of this proposition ought to occupy to make up for the high price of the necessaries of life • but the their serious consideration , if on ly to sat i s f y a Inge body of reduction of taxes, and the alteration in the currency, Which had intelligent people who believed the measure essential to the since taken place, must - have made a difference of 25 per cent. more relief of the country from its present distress. He was of opinion i n their favour." This statement had been repeated in the presence alto that a further relief would be experienced by the re. of the Secretary of State for the Home Department, and he never omission of two millions or two millions and a half of taxes, which knelt that right hon. gentleman to stand up in his place and contra. he thought might be effected by reductions in the estimates. With vent its accuracy. If the right hon. gent. doubted it, he should like I regard to the proposition *bout to be made to the ho use , if the ho. to bear his doubts ; and if acknowledged its truth, he should be i nourable baronet meant to propose such a reduction of eateries as glad to know on what ground the system ought to be continued.....l was proportionate to the altered value of money, he should willingly (Hear.) He should now observe that this increased value of money eupport - him. The honourable member said that he had intended hod a twofold operation. It added to the weight of all fixed Ley . I io state some opinions to the house upon the subject of Ireland; but °tents, while it lowered the price of wages and of provisions. The honourable members were impatient—(There was much coughing bon. member for Colchester (Mr. D. W. Harvey) had told the during time honourable member's speech) -for the question about to landed interest that it was their bOunden duty to reduce their roma be discu 'red ;he should reserve them for another occasion. He coincided perfectly in the answer which had been peen to dill REDUCTION OF SALARIES. hon. gent.—namely, t h at rents had b. en reduced from 26 to 30 pg Sir JAMES GRAHAM said, the mode of proceeding which cent. throughout England, on account of the peace; but, he moild had been adopted by the boo. member who had just spoken was a ask, was the landed interest to be called on to balance the allow very extraordinary one. fie had argued on his (Sir J. Graltem's) don in the value of money by another s eduction of 21 per CON ',e— motion before he had heard it. He believed, however that his mo- lf this were to be done, then he woul d say to the landlords of /keep tion wouldfully conic up to the point to which the hen. member land, " Sell your mates." (Hear, hear.) If such reductioire had alluded ; and therefore he hoped to receive his support. He wore constantly demanded, he could only view such a course us a never rose in that house without great unwillingness, end the short and silent, but a most certain, mode to tubs him who bed situation in which be mai at proem placed rather' aggravated 'the charges on his property. As the landed proprietors were now repugnance which he felt to occupy their time. The task which situated, they hadto mneet the taxes of the'war with the prices which hi had imposed upon himself waseinost Important and a most dial. preceded it—the taxation of paper Was now to be Met with the cult one. Rh great object was to iotiodum a system of attic rem price of bullion. The taxes were put on in paper, and net in heavy floury, and of course he cmeld not expect the torenweenee of those *are, though they must now be paid through this latter medium. who were likely to be affected by the peopMitioti 'with which he The consequence wee, that they deeply alrefted linag h°dl hf• meant to conelude. could not stand theft Oita thine of general the people. I{ would be admitted on all hoods that the prosperity distress--a distress which was general thnnigbout 'the collptre— of dime who labour was intimately connected with the welfare witho ut making an effort to alktiate IL He ca&d thi &tries s' ge. and strength of the state. If the labourer was in dhtram, all sacral ;" for, notwithstanding the declination in his majesty's speech other On*" trust be distroisal. I( * Ishoorm wanted bread, all that it existed only psottlafy, yet 'die admission mMle by those prppeaq, aliabee landed or fundetl, mast experience great injury.— who supported the eddies, c o up l e d with the apstineneti' of (Mar 'hem...) He wished to see the tides mudded *comely by the Minister* Cio tt i stating. 'Precast* the extent of - that distreft—':: I war , asitteed Will that the seer was tettilimmed ; but instead of that did, in his mind, prove that it was deeply felt in every' part 'Hite bei% 14000se nsticietled. looking so the ehumw er in the country. The alietioenck of uminn&A. 'froirf Introdestode a etate-i shift fro* mime hal • best imposed. Pm fkiseeill thi em relative to ebesamoont of disarm which wad at present felt in wise hie "attended to; it vioitid'Arie vlors quartet eXcitimel the gnietel4 . pantile dims into however Mingling • they might be 'to t• *M. a ' gampoiene (that.) . amittendd hope into desper i ord i t imig ebongell Mali which trim the' sling of i shipiky se milekt elite ' the ali, -the desire which hat been previously felt to endure suffesing pa. or a giant and overthrow bun. tiles t people were in a state' tiently into feelings of bitterness and anger. Now, in contending of deep distress, it was quite clear tohitu that misnomer, arreoge. Sent wall by itself afford them relief. Other measures must bs eiNgled to. Of what avail, he de tended, were the wise plans et the VII honourable member for Liverpool, while you retsiu a dose mom,* of corn ? (Hear.) Under existing circumstances, bee tads wet Dot feasible, and as long as those circumstances lasted never rise be•feasible. Until they adopted a di ff erent measure with referent* to the correney, and mad. a proper alteration in die corn laws, free trade, they might depend on it, would work bat badly. Where taxation entered largely into any article, leas of that article would be consumed, but it never could be come cheap; and this was ably proved by the honourable member for Aberdeen, who, in his resolutions of 1825 showed that with respect to malt, tobacco, sugar, tea, Am a lees quantity was consumed than was made use of in the French war. This evidenlr was occasioned by taxation. When, therefore, they enhanced the value of money, and did not reduce the taxes in an equal degree, those taxes must bear heavily on the poor. Taxation preventrd the fall of prices, and added materially to the discomfort of the. people. He had heard something said about the luxuries which the people enjoyed. For his own part he knew not from whence they came, whether they were drawn from the gorgeous palaces of Kings or the rival palaces of ministers, who had been epleedielly 'provided fur by the public (hear, hear,) or from the East ftulie Director's, with their monopoly of the China trade (bear, hear,) or from some contractor, who supplied loans and lent money to France in depreciated paper, which was now to be paid in money. (Hear, hear.) But he must take leave to remark that they ought not to draw their notions or the state of the country from .cenes such as those. " Ye friends to truth, ye statesmen who survey " The rich man's joys increase, the poor's decay, "'Tied your's to judge how wide the limits stand " Between a splendid and a happy land." Where, he asked, ewe all the boasted advantage. of this once happy country ? Where were all the blessings which formerly distin guished her? Vi'llere were all the contents which her children leed enjoyed for ages ? " Alas! Sir. (said the hon. baronet), with (Lee regret I witness that all—all are gone ! pinching hunger and gloomy despair now usurp their situation." The weavers throughout the country were only earning 4s. 2d. a week, and tltcirfood was oat meal, water, and potatoes. They worked 14 or Hi hours mday, and yet they could only procure this scanty remuneration. It was a fact that by dint of labour, the power looms,whieh were supposed to have caueed•their distrese, were absolutely under-wrought by those almost starving peeple.He would not farther enlarge upon that painful topic. The country had arrived at a point, when it was necessary for the safety of property, for the security of all that was deer to them, that something prompt end effectual should be done. lie saw his lion. and learned friend, the Solicitor-Geeeral, in his place, and he would adopt an expression made use of by him on another occasion He would confidently say. " we cannot remain as we are." " Hie locust est, panes übi se via fiodit in anthem." There were two separate roads. The one was the short path of justice—inviolable, inflexible j ustice — rigid unsparing ec onom y low wages, low rents, if they pleased, but low eateries also.—(hear, hear.) The otter, the left.haed path, was that by which greater prices might be obtained, not by areal, as he bad always said, but by returning to the ancient standard of England—that standard which had prevailed from the time of the Tudors to the revolution, and from the revolution, with little interruption, till 1703. Silver joined with gold was the standard to which he alluded.— (hear, hear.) The measure of the right hon. gentlemen In 1819 was a novelty ; but that novelty, so far from having been in ope ration, as was asserted by the Chancellor of the Exchequer, for nine years, was not in operation for ten months. In the year following the passing of that act of parliament, Lord Castlereagh frankly ad. rained that the distress of the country was so overwhelming, that he could not adhere to its provisions. He found that he could not carry it into execution ; and he said, " I will depart from it." And what did he do? Why he zepealed the small note act, and adopted means for an issue of paper. Prices immediately rose, and prosperity was the consequence for a short period. (Hear. hear, hear.) lie knew the meanin g of t h at c h eer , an d he would answer it. A small note currency, with cold at :0. 17a. Med. per ounce, he knew would be delusive, and would bring the country back to the distress of 1825. But such was not his argument. What he said was, that they must examine and alter the state of the cur rency, and allow paper money, payable on demand, to be converted into silver or gold. They ought also to revise their whole system of banking. These were matters which he wished to be inquired Into ; but the government were inflexible, and said, " You shall not inquire." And if individuals did inquire, and happened to inquire a little too much, the Attoiney.General was ready to pounce upon them, and to file an ex-cdfutio information, for the Casa militant is of an iteention to bring the Government into con tempt. Ministers would listen to no prnposition on the subject of the currency. The right hon. gentleman would have gold—gold—gold —nothing but gold. But the country would, he hoped, speedily awake from its slumber, and with a voice of thunder, compel hint to repeal this ruinous measure. Ile should now go into the remain ing part of the subject. One great source of retrenchment must be, the reduction of the salaries of those who had their hands in the public puree. Some might say that other measures were necessary. This might be so ata moment of distress like the present, but the great object should be retrenchment to the utmost degree. That end might be accomplished in two ways ;—either by reducing the num. ber of persons employed, or by reducing their salutes,—or by doing both. With respect to the decrease of numbers, he conceived that was not a point to be dealt with now. That was a matter of detail which would be best discussed when the estimates were brought forward. With respect to the reduction of salaries, he thought that subject should be considered before they went into a committee of supply,—before a single estimate was laid on the table,—in order that some fixed principle should be adopted in framing the-esti mates that were to be introduced. It was only fair to allow govern. went to bring forward its estimates of reduction, and pledge itself to the quantum of such reduction, if it were so disposed, before we stated in what scale we wished the reduction to be made. Time principle of public salaries as arranged by Mr. Pitt, Mr. Ad dington, and Mr. Perceval rested upon the depreciation of the cur irency which took place in consequence of the p_rovisions of the Bank restriction set, which was passed in 1797. That some redue. Lion must be made on the amount of taxation was admitted. It was equally clear that, in order to effect these reductions, a contrac tion of our expenditure was necessary. It remained for him to de scribe on what principle he thought the salaries of official men should be reduced. ('rite honourable member here read the resolu tion, which he afterwards proposed at the conclusion of his speech.) He might be asked, - what was it that he meant to exclude from the operation of this resolution ? To this he answered, that lie meant to exclude from those reductions every thing relating to his Majesty's privy purse and the royal establishment. He con. entered such matters as coming under the head of engagements e n. I tered into at the beginning of the reign, and which we could not vio late. It was upon such grounds that he did not wish to meddle with his Majesty's privy purse, or the royal household. With respect to our warlike establishments. he would confirm our contract with the sailor his pay had been fixed in 1798, when prime did not materially vary from those of the present day ; and in his wish eo sepersedi the necessity of impreat h et et, be (v for one erald rather raise than lower the sail is lee 111 'Me re j ai navy, in order to bring it on a level with thst ante merchant service. With regard to the army. our soldiers had entered it for a term of years, and the stipulated sum should be paid to them, and the benefits to which they were en-. titled at the end of their services secured. These he held to be m arred and solemn engagements. The argument which applied to the soldier applied also to the offlcer, although it must be Admitted that the management of the hallpay since the termination of the war had been such in some Instances as to convert It into a pension list. But what had been done should not be undone ; and, with regard to the crown, the army, and navy, he had no he. illation in sea) ing that they did not fall within the spirit of his reso lution. He might be asked, why introduce the term "military" into his resolution ? He introduced it because, in many eatery the salutes of military officers, who held civil situations, had been mtg. tamed without sufficient reason, and because some of these officers being removable at pleasure, their allowances might now be al. tered without difficulty. He found among the list of colo nial governors, that the salary of the lieuteeant.govetnor of New Brunswick had been raised from 1,000!. to 1,5001. per annum, within the period In question. That the salary of th e Go vernor of Neva Scotia had been raised from 1,000!. to 2,0001„ ; (be ode observe , while upon the subject of this colony that the if Bishop of Nova Scotia was raised from 7001. to 1,0001. my lia l aY ir. The of the Glimeraor of Prince Edward's Island hadleiten feat 809/, to 40001. ; and that of the Governs, of from 500!. to 1,0001. In Port Jackson, the of the fin. senor was also doubled, it being griginally 1,04 and now 2,000 i. fees ;a-year. The salary of the Governor of Slerin.Lone was also raised from £1,600 to £2,0110 per ;insane In the second report of the Finance Committee was cpntained a recommendation which as far as he knew, still remained without having ken carried into efficc The committee recommended that we should revert tp the principle of enlistment in the army that prevailed previous to 1008-. This was the poeitive recommendation of the committee in '1628, yet nothing. bad been done towards carrying it Into effect. Be well Anew the seal and industry of his gelbrni Meted opposite, but OW he thought that some good might be done by recalling pub. lie Mention to this point. • He Itland shortly to remind the house the difference Of our positron as regarded the amount of our Oneranditure now and . ii 1797. The expose, incurred on account . if dividends and managemented;the public debt ire leo7 were .. 11,808,800 f. in 1828 they ansoutiteetteen,3llBsol. in the former - year the amount ofre em • the scemplidafed napa was 180,600 f. in- th e latter, 386, satiiies,pal4 Out of the consolidated • Nod. eitilierintefi 1 so 14,6004 in WC •to tisw sum of WOOL:: The mu , it=, .. e4p;114 1 i4CUTTrAI . out` rat 7i/if butt ft of reaeh gl et gar . •? Wiriytitiar e g hargaible 3 thereon 'were matte • out of the consolideted fund to the amount of 110.00.11. in 1813 they were 608,0031. It should be reeoffeetwil that 1797 was a year .. . „.. _ x~:. ~ 4 - -~ ~~ d a Y~~ ra, _ ' t • A INA