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a ciple of the Bill. declared his intention to oppose the second read. big of the Bill if it was intended to commit it this Session. . Earl ORKT wished to know whether the Noble Earl herald withdraw his opposiron to the second reading on the condition proposed by the Right Rev. Prelate of postponing the further con sideratsun of the 11111 this Session. The Earl of MALIIRSBURY repeated his objection to the pre sent Bill, but would not oppose one of a mitigated sort on the same istabjett. Earl GREY recommended his Noble Friend (Cal thorpe) to suspend all further proceedings on the Bill this Session, on the understanding that something should be done next Session to remedy the imperfeCtions of the present law, and provide for the interests of the poorer classes. He trusted that the Government would turn their attention to the subject, and bring forward next Session a Bill to remedy the evils of the present system. Such a measure would be most beneficial to the poor, who were more than others exposed to exhumation, and to atrocities such as were lately proved to have been committed in Scotland. The measure was not an act of severity to the poorer classes, but one of affection and benevolence. He thought the present Bill might be made a perfect and beneficial measure if considered in Committee. But, as objections had been raised against it, he would recommend his Noble Friend (Cal. Thorpe) to adopt the suggestion of the venerable Prelate (Canterbury), and not press the Bill after the second reading. The Earl of HAREWOOD could not assent to the principle of the Bill. Parliament had a right to legis late on the living. but not on the dead. Every man was entitled to Christian burial ; and it was not proper to'parsue men beyond the bounds of this world. It was disgraceful to the country that the atrocious affair at Edinburgh was not investigated further. The only result of the inquiries instituted there was, that sixteen or seventeen murders had been committed. This was a most unsatisfactory conclusion of soch an important sullject. The Duke of WELLINGTON confessed that he was exceedingly sdisfied that the Noble Lord (Calthorpe) bad consented to proceed no further with the measure this Session. However, he approved so much of the object which the Noble Lord had in view, and also of the 13111, that it it had come under dircussion he should have given it all the support in his power. The reason why be was glad the B:11 would be postponed was, that he was aware of the opposition intended to defeat it, of the quarter fiom which that opposition would proceed, and the influence it was likely to have on a particular class of the people. He was glad, Therefore, that the measure was postponed this Session; and, though he could not undertake to bring forward a similar mea sure next Session Son his own responsibility, he would a cordially concur in any measure for remedying *the evils of Vie present system. He would • not on that occasion detail the evils of the existing system or . the benefits of the proposed Bill, but confine himself to the general declaration, that he approved both its object and principle; in fact, there was no practical remedy for the present evils but a regulated' increase of the number of subjects for anatomical dissection, and the. only point io be considered was the mode of piocoting enough of them. Before he sat down he should say one word on the Edinburgh murders. In the ease that had been tried one person had beep convicted and e4e. toted. a second acquitted, and of the third - who' was concerned in it it was necessary to make use for the coo victims of the first. Now, after he had been so used, Lords would see that it was impossible to pro ceed iur her aginist film otter that. There were ries persons more anxious than the Law Officerbin Seoilaird to pu.h to the otnioq the inlssiry On the subject, and vindicate the law and institutions of the country. The Marquis of LANSDOWN said, that it the Bill had gone into Committee he would have proposed the repeal of the law condemning the bodies of murderers to dissection, as one thit tended to keep alive the po. pular pr•judice against dissection. The present systtoi was fraught with ifaisger to the poor end helpless strenitet: It was tie dtity of the House, too, to remove froM the medical profession the odium . of *habitual vio lation of the lais's of humaoity, and protect the lives of the subjects, by removing the teseptathiliito murder. Lord GODERICH urged the . G 44110414 to take uo the measure, and introduce itotorY Odic' Bill on tie subject. The Earl of HADDINGTON expressed his regret at the postponement of the measure. atul,vindicatedthe law officers of the• Crown in &Weed trom the chOrrie of supineness iOrelation to the Edietiiirgb' murders. The Earl of HAREWOOD explained. The inquiry into the conduct of the persons receiving 'dead betties had not been carried far enough. • • ' Lord TENTERDEN thought the subject deserved much attention, and admitted that the present law re. quired some alteration ; but then it must be different from the proposed measure. He could not see whythe Secretary of State for the Home Department should have the power of estalsliAting as many' anatomical seools as he pleased. q i ln Paris there were but two. Another objection be had to the Bill was, that it gave the bodies of the poor who died in poor-houses and hospitals to dissection.; 'an operation which 'they looked on as most disgraceful. As to the late atrocities, the renewal of them soikl be easily prevented , now that the public attentionliaii drawn to than, by a carefel examination on the part of those receiving dead bodies for dissection to areeitoin whether they had died of disease or by violence ? As to the proposed theasute of nett Session he couid - not pledge himself to give it his support if it should be like the present Bill. After a few words from Lord Cautstoant, The question waling on the second reading, which was negatived without a divided. •. ' 'The 1111 Is of tilsorse ton this Session. ' 3. !t'llataoroms mace att.& The Doke of WELLINGTON; on moving the order • • of the clef on 'this • Bill, observed,' that Woe was no • • branch of the executive so defectiie as the police .. lbis Was proved 'by the fittrins, sfiowini tli increase of crithe within the last six yeira. 'The 'total nuoibei:of persons committed at the . ewe' of that 'period •as in; creased tiro-fifths of ihierlinfe; for iitstance, : t i o r tifg. the number committed was 2,01 l; in 1825, 2,0,2; in 1828, 5;516. Of 'the'Persims committed for lar y the nnoiber 'in 1132 f was 8h; in robberies: in 1024; 6 1 . f4 Milk" 119 ;larcenies . , 'ln lag, 411'; in' 1`13‘45, Thete . talculatiases proved Continta incieitseiff botatile the ififektiii 'state 'of ihe'po' thlifewas hoilblicerioilting but th4paknclital watch. which was elpensive iii .proliuirfoo is it_ was useless. ' Although •a; neMber of rol*ries; burglaries; and offencii•of elearyderciiptien octutiedeveli night,these Were eight orishei inilriCh`no'lerce iii ai maintained capable of ..prevendng •theseirirces—a state of thing which he Wps'ciliti site their Lordships would. agree with him ought not to be tarred to continue in the neighboufhood of such a miteiskffs., 'l4 the Metropolis 1101c —that Was, in SeiretalOt the parishes of Westmiti;.. stir—the Watch,establiMitienu were so badly arranged that' there Was in tact no communication between them and those of the adjoining parishes ;• nay, in the sae* parish, in wend instances, there were different 44 hkshtleau, each hating the dietetics or Om . ithif& Ells watch, independently of each other, from which csfss Enoch confusion and irregularity arose, producing, as a ristuyal yffect, inefficiency. In one parish (Pancras) there were ao fewer than 18 authorities acting ander different Acts of Parliament, not one of whom had any connexion with another; so that the efficient pop. blishment of one portion of the parish drove the thieves into another, where, for the wait of a proper force to prevent them, robberies were committed with impu nity. Was that a state of things to be permitted to ex ist ? Taking all the circumstar►ces into considera tion, his Majesty's Ministers had been convinced of the practicability of forming an establishment capable of preventing the commission of crime, namely, by a well regulated police. If their Lordships were to look to that which had in almoit similar respects taken place at a former period, they would concur in that view. Some years since no persons could travel in a carriage in the vicinity of the metropolis without the risk, in deed almost the certainty, of being stopped and robbed,' if not murderei, by highwaymen, who were in most cases mounted—a species of occurrences which, thanks to the establishment of an• effective police, was now never heard of—facts which must carry conviction to their Lordships' minds that it was practicable in the metropolis itself to prevent crime by a similarly well regulated and efficient police. There was another point on which he felt it necessary to trouble their Lordships with a few words—he meant the desire which at pie senrpervaded the country that the number of capital punishments should be diminished. On that point he begged to submit to their Lordships that the best mode of diminishing the number of punishments was by ti►f prevention of crime, a result that• could best be ensured by adopting such a measure as that then before them fo placing an efficient police in the hands of Government. The Bill had for its object the establishing of a nest police district, to be called the district of the metropolis.' By it also an office was to be formed which was to have the direction of the police in all places within that die ! ' trict, and which was to extend over certain pariahs*, named in the Bill to the distance of twelve miles hoot Charing-cross. The duties of the office were to be per formed by three Magistrates and a Clerk. The district would comprise portions of the aunties of Hats, Sur rey, Essex, Middlesex, and Kent. Those persons were not to have the power of sitting at Quarter Ses4ions, or to perform other usual Magisterial functions; their ex ertions, indeed, were to be applied solely in the preven tion or suppression of crime, and, in order to effect those objects, a body of constables was to be raised and placed at the dispo!al of those Magistrates. It was in tended to extend the operation of the Act in the first instance to a certain number of the parishes of the me tropolis, in order to try its effects. Should it be found to succeed then it might be extended to the other pa rishes contained within the district; that was, within twelve miles of Charing-cross. He had only to add, th4t the expense of the establishment was to be defrayed by a rate to be levied on the several 'parishes in the same manner and by the same process as the parish rates were at Preacnt collected, and the amount was estimated at 81 in the pound. Lord HOLLAND rose, not for the purpose of op posing the Bill, but to suggest. on behalf of a number of persons who would be affected by it, some alter*. tions, without which it would impose upon them con• seder able hardship. The proposed rate was intended to be levied in the same ratio on the prop ietors of to land as on the it habitants of the parishes, and in some instinces wr uld amount to three shillings per acre. He would therefore submit to their Lordships whether such an impost would not press heavily on landownets. On behalf of the latter class he had felt it his duty to make that appeal to their Lordships, without (as he had already stated) having any intention to oppose the general principle of the Bill. Lord DURHAM admitted the great importance of .the measure, and on that very account lamented that it had not been introduced into that House. The Bill was lout:tied M 1 the repast of evidence taken before Committees of the other. House of Parliament. and had been for special months prior.belote that House (the House of Commoris), where. of course, the whole mei its of the question weri:knewn 1 Whereas the Bill had been introduced into their Lordships' House, together with several others of import ince. just at the close of ti e Session, when' it was impossible for their Lordships to make themselves acquainted with the partictilars. He thought, therefore, that his Majesty's Ministers ought to take Cale its future to obviate such an objection.— The Noble Duke - had felt it his duty to enter into some details recommendatory of the Bill, but without neces. for the inefficiency of the police was matter of notoriety. (The Noble Lord here referred to the pre sent parish and police establishments, condemning them is inefficient from the 'ivy nature of their constitution). At the i)ansion Houle anti 'for iii , tance. the Magistrates were called upon to administer iustice, for which duty their previous habits and education, or rather no education. unfitted them. He wished to be informed by the Noble Duke were the other police of faces to be discontinued after the establishment of that proposed by the bill ?—(. l No, no.") The Earl of MALMESBURY rose merely to concur in the complaint of the Noble Lord who spoke last of the late period of the Session at which the Bill was in troduced. For four months their Lordships had been, for want of business, melancholy mad, and now they were, from the press of it, raging mad—(A laugh) The Duke of WELLINGTON assured .their *Lord ships that the delay that had occurred in introducing .the Bilthad been quite unavoidable. With- respect to the City of London watch.establishmenhe felt it ne cessary to stJte, that no alteration in it was contem plated. The Bill, indeed, would only go to place the watch ef Wetminster on a footing similar to that of the city of London. The police offices now in esistenceweie to be kept sip, and the duties of the Magistrates wets to be performed as heretofose. The Earl of ELDON thought it was useless for their Lordships to complain of •the lateness of the period at *bids the Bill had been introduced, or to suggest a preventive remedy for the evil in future, for to his own knowledge the lamp complaint had been made, and without effect, every Smiths during the last SO years. Lord DURHAM alio:flint mean to condemn the con. duct of his Majeity's Ministers for not bringing the subject forward at an earlier period,• but he thought .that some areangment might be made with the other House of Parliament. so that many. Bills, which•now originated in that 'Loose, might be introduced in the House of Lords. This would in • a great measure pre: vent, as was the case at present, so great an accumulas tion of business at the sod 4 ,the Sessions, which pre. vented Bills, on really important. subjects,. from being distosied in their. Lordships' House. He trusted that. during the nest SoasioDa. Hindi arrangement would be made:on the subject; would again repeat, that be did. not intend cis east , any reflections' on thetooduct the Noble Duke in , the observations which. he had thought itnec . toasty to make.. • TM miatiwasotbee read a secind saga. T* Hive then raKtlfti. httirt a foßtiltill.e. The vailimeclsasis wire aere4 se without opposition, • was brought up, and the Bill was etdeped w be. 9.01 i ddrkgbo• on W4wesdity nest., TV Wei WICKI A OW mowid w ood reodins . pf the Bill for the better Prevenlon Alffrsces piano the Person in trchod• Lord CA EBBE wined that she Nob Earl ( Wieblew) veolteon.ent to postpone:the almond reading of shit Bilker a.t mire day, is it was a measure of considerabli imrnitappt to )relami, and p`there were so few Noble Lords present In the House. The Earl of WICK LOW said. that the dlocus4ion on the mu.' sure could be had it any future stage of its progress. He should propose the committal of the Bill for Wednesday, when the discus sion could take place, if his Noble Friend would now cousent to the second reading. Dill was then read a second time, a 4 Ordered ee be cow- Dill an Wednesday. A number of other Dills were then advanced a stage, and the Elapse AdOutiml at Twpwer Almerps yo Engl. L c& King's Beach; and' afterwards appeand to the fl ow of birds, and it was during this process treat dole h,d been upended. If Dr. Free had been sethfied to b,,,, ,brought his case to a hearing in the Eccliratnical Court in the lira instance, there would have been a dect.ion on ! it within a year at the tuithest. Do. anolja7iA,ll summed drat It 411 meta wt., ara m o of , the fees of pdaltiorwrs la the Reciesiatteal Courts, It ought to b e a return for a series of years. He understood there bad been min. create is the amount of the fres of machismo for several year & Sir JQI:I N NlCHOLierahl the Woe retrial', paid now its the- Ecclesiastical Conde pe were settled by an Inquisition in 173.1. Mr. HUME thee whisdoew his goodies. but 'eventide* thot, h e . would renew it on Fridayneat. Lord MILTON moved for a pew writ for the University o f Cambridge, in the room of Sir Nabolas Thalia, who. since his ek e ,. don, bad accepted the Chief Jusdatabip of the Court of C 0.,,,, Pleas.—Ordered. Sir J. GRAHAM preseoted a Petition from a person limp e t John titian*. formerly . resident a NOM but now residing I D Minder, stating that he bad certain claims un the French Goyim, meat. and praying the House tar direct the liquidation of t i ny claims out of the fund. now in the handy of Government. Mt. C. t: RANT thought it would he for the sati.faetion of ear public, as well as of the partty inter. tied, it a ceninus•ion was s p.. pointed for the oiljustment of the chirp. of Ileiti..b pubjects on thy French Government. Tbe daimons einsW nev.t be unified b any arrangement which could be made with diem on the part a ther HOUSE OF COMMONS. sir U. PARNELL pas notice that early vest Sentiou he would move that p clrrrct imams should be tattoo at the population. Mr. W. Rd ITH moved fur the production of certain Papers relative to the Slave Population in the Kest me C. PALLA Kit brought in a Bill for sbe better regulation of party walls. fi was read u brit time, and ordered to be read a second time this day three months. Mr. S. RICE Presented p Petition front the town of Naas and Monasterevan, in the county of Kildare, and from a town in the county of Tipperary, praying fur the better regulation of Turnpike Roads. Treasury. LION? NOOSES. Mr. BERNAL hoped his Majesty's Minister! would take tow Mr. lIUME moved for certain additional Returns respecting subject into their coeinderation, and that the Right Honour a bl e talc the light-houses along the coast, and gave notice, that iii the c o u rse Chancellor of the &chequer would say whether there wa* de r hope of a speedy adjustment of those claims by a competent tribunal° of the next Session of Parliament be would feel it his dut y to call the attention of the House to the wanton expense with which thine The CHANCE I.oli of the EXCHEQUER said, that the establishments were conducted ; as also that he would be under the only object of his Majesty's Ministers was to do justice to Wittig painful necessity of moving a vote of censure on all those who were claimants. Until a classification of the claimants took place it was concerned in that expense. useless to lay down any rule lot the compensation of indwiehol COLONIAL •IMPIIALS. Sir Mr. C. PA LLMER gave notice that early nest Session be J. GRAHAM said there could be no objection to a claw s . should move for a Commission to in9uire Into the jurisdirtion and claimants. cation ol the claimants, but he honed that a tribueal would b e practice of the Lords of his Majesty s Privy Council with re s pect ornied for the adjustment of those claims, and that the publics/ 01 44 to appeals front the West India Colonies and Acts of the Colonial be made acquainted with the pounds of the decision hi every ca ke . Legislation. The Petition was then brought up, and ordered to he printed. Mr. CHARLES Pe I. LIIER presented a Petition from Jons- A Niessage was brought hum the Lords signßying th is! . I, ie 4. than Jary, stating that he had made some valuably discoveries for sips' concurrence in several Public and Private Bilk. escape front fire, reed praying that the same might be c onsidered in Sir R. VY VY AN presentee: a Petition front a plate in Cameral the Building Act.—Ordered to be printed. against the Buritiog of Wioarws, and ag. lust Slavery in the West hlr. II U AIR Moved that certain returns should be produc ed front Indies.—Ordered to lie no the table. Doctors' Commons to show the amount of the fees , p rofits, and hir. D. W. HARVEY wished to know front the Right HAIL emoluments of the King's Proctor, the King's Advocate, the Judge Gentleman whether the Chief Jettice of the Common I legandsoit and the several Officers of the Ctmaistorial Court, from the year on tee ground of ill health. Ile could scarcely suppose 'hog east 1820 to the poem time. wasin his habits a ease,the common w assigned ia yer dso oorrau t„ h . i a n n t a newsiteati in it .e i msrflurf,rdip that Sir JOHN N ICHOLL could not agree to the lion. Member's knot motion. He thought he might as well move for a return tit the he would not be likely to accept the one if ill health had not drives amount of private property of any individual as fur a reture of the him trim the other. He had not been 16 years a Judge; therefore fens and profits of practising lawyers. ho was aot entitled to the pension. Under these circumstances tie Mr. FERGUSSON also opposed the motion. lie did not se wished to know upon what struts that learned person bad retired. what right the House bad to enforce a return from any profession al Mr. Secretary PEEL said, the only answer which he had to give man of the emoluments of that profesdon. was, that the Chief Justice of the Coniston Pleas had Dot retired Sir J. MACINTOSH could not agree with the lion. Member in any manner that was nit perfectly cot urniable with the law. opposite that the amount of tar feeg and emoluments of a law officer Mr. D. W. HARVEY presented a Wilton front the Journey. were no more to by demanded than the amount of the private pro- meta Broad Sisk Weavers of Spitallield.„ taking notice of represent& petty of an individual. It was a matter of great importance to the tins having been made to the effect that they could earn 2.54. to lis. public to know the amount of the expenses of going to law in t hose per week, when the tact was that the did out earn within Si per Courts; and all kluiry of shla nature was so t iecessary, tit,: wi:h. Prot. as much as 1823, a per:ard whe n, on the admission or the out it any inquiry into the administration of the law most be very masters themselves, their wages was under 14s. a week. This lame and unsatisfactory. When he avid his Hon. Friend were misrepresentation had operated against them moss interim*, aid practising at the bar they considered themselves as public officers. they prayed to he beard at the bar for the purpose of refutiag tics They were not merely acting as private individuals, nor were their charges brought apeinat them fees and emolumetita private property. They considered that those After a few words from Mr. T. BUXTON. the Petition,whish *as 'emoluments were cunuected with the discharge of their public duly. to the following effect, was then brought up anal read : Mt. SecretaryPEEL could not set how the I lousecouki demand . from any public officer an :account of the emoluments which he lie. . • lo the Honourable the Commons of Great Britain and bawl rived from private practice. Acting on the principle of the in Parliament assembled. Holloonble Knight they might as well demand a return of the o The humble Petition of the Journeymen Broad Silk Weave/set fees' of a medical man's profession, as it was of great importance Sphallields. to the public to know at o hat rate medical advice could be afforded " Most respectfully skewed, to thy poor. He was sure that the Hun. Member (Mr. Hume) „ T h at t your Pstirioners have read with surprise modal would be the last man to require an account of the emoluments meat' a discussion which is reported to have take* ebee le Inar arising from the private practice of any professinual Gentleman, Honourable Heuer 00 Tuesday last, upon a Palau/sprees:sated hem and he would therefore suggest to biro to limit his motion to all fees Mr. A. Moore, silk manufacturer, of London. appojnted by law or proscription. 0 Your Petitioners cannot help expressing indignation at the rein. Sir J. M ACINTOS ft d e tained. He had sot attempted to jos statements which that petition is reported to have contained co* city any investigation into the particular emoluments derived from cerning the rate of wages your petitioner. ate 'stabled to tabula. the private practice of individuals. All that be washed tar was a " Your Petitiotiers are ready to prove. at the bar of year Hos. e l i fr ee se d . i i r h u a n t i t n te w av ta era tw ge d e ve arn s i h n i g ili s n o g f e t a be w Sp etk ital en field thc s W n e ine aver en ds ts sit a genetal inquiry into the expenses arisiug from thelees exacted by thou law officers. As to medical men, he would beg to remind the Right Hon.Gentlemau that their fees could not be regulated by the the works that are now made; and, so di ffi cult has it been to pls. State, whereas law was the creature of the State — it was formed by cure em pl o y ment even at that low rate of wages, that thousandse the State, and was necessarily subject to the regulation of the State. looms have been idle for many months put, while the people trhs Mr. D.W. HARVEY did not see why the fees and emoluments once occupied them walk the streets in the most abject poverty, of Members of the Bar should not be as much subject to the reps• literally, starving in the middle of plenty. Intone of the Legislature as the fees of Solicitors. The charges of - • " Your Petitioners beg to call the atteotionoraf your Hon. Hem the one ought to he as much subject to scrutiny as the bill of costs to the heart-rending fact. that many of them who are in haus. of the other. The manner of entering the Inns of Court and of M y plkate a That the your door petitioners of a workhouses re hou spe s c e t _ for r parochial rofief. p are Compelled, with an aching heart and indignant soul, to tar going to the Bar ware likewise great abuses. They might not abject to young Gentlemen who entered in those Into at an early . Iu 11 beg leave to assure your age, but when any one whose political principles were obnoxious to honourable House that their wages during the last six mosidoshave them, and whose talents were considerable. wished to go to the been from 33 to 40 per cent. under the prices paid in Ism, ia bar, they had the power, and exercised that pewee, of excluding him. which year several silk manufacturer, declared belore a Committee He should certainly move that an inquiry should be entered into of of the House of Lords. that the average earnings of the silk.weevere what persons were eligible tube called to the bar. did not exceed les. per week. Mr. THANT said that there were instances when no cumpensa- ° Your petitioners beg to assure your HonourableHouse that the don whatever was made to persons practising at the Bar: lie had vast body of silk weavers participate in the jeneral feeling of decided it Iron a highly respectable solicitor that their fees were regulated disapprobation expressed by your Honourable House with regard by members of the profession, and, if any, one went on to the free- to the destruction of property in this district, occasioned by a few trade principle, and accepted a fee under that scale, he was sent to infatuated and misguided unfortunate persons, which has, unhappily Coventry by the other Gentlemen of the profession. brought the whole body under the odium of your Hunourable Mr. HUAI E said that, so far irons wishing to force an account of and the public ;lend your petitioners would implore your Honors the fees aristng from the private practice of the law officer. to oboist able House to give ample prat ction to the property of the we be referred, he only wished for a return of those fees wiuch were fat Otters. and us the labour of the journeyman, which is his wie exacted in virtue of the office. He should, therefore, itnroduce p p. dose words into his motion.-I ' b. returns were then ordered. " Your petitioners venture confidently to hope that your lisab Mr. HUME said that the expenses of proceedings in the Eccle• House will be pleased to dismiss from your minds any prejudices you may have imbibed ftom those circumstances, as well as teem dastical Courts, were much too large. To put the llouie in pos. &Won of the imount of those fee's, he moved that tfir costschaeged the unjust charges made against your suffering petitioners by an b and admitted in the cause of Briscoe it. Briscoe in the Consistury, terested individual. /tidies, and Delegates Courts, should be laid before the house. st y our petitioners, as men bearing their proportion of the ese Sir JOHN NICHOL L said the case of Briscoe o Briscoe bad ceasive buttbens of the State, expect, as a tight, that your Hes. bean before the Ecclesiastical Courts for thined years. It was House wiU devise some means of rescuing the s uffering thouspode cart led on in a most vexatious spirit both by the husband and wife, , of SpitalSelds weavers from the anarchy and confusion under which they now labour ; and your petitioners further pray that your Hon.and would give the House a very inadequate idea of the expense of ordinary proceedings in the Ecclesiastical Courts. Dr. PHILLI MORE observed that be was a Counsel in the Howie will summon to your bar as many silk manufacturers N you in your Wisdominay deem proper. calling on them to ?m -ouse alluded to, aud'coold corroborate the statement of his Hight duce their accounts with their journeymen. in order to show that Hon. Friend (Sir J. Nichol!) in every particular. your petitioners are scarc e ly rec e iving sufficient . 'wages to nude Mr. FE L LGUSSON denied that the fees of barrister* were a fit nature, anti that the all e gations in Mr. teli a or e 's petition eenaMb• ',Ne s e for Legislative inquisition, or that any membets of the bar supported. reiortedlo the unworthy practices alluded to. • '' Signed in the name and on behalf of the j ourne ymen weavers Sir J. MACINTOSH explained. lie never cmtended that the of Spitalljelds, pgofits of individual haitioers should be inquired into; all that be untended for was, that the fees received by the protessien gene. " iAES HURLEY. Committee of the Dete r/illy were a fit subject for Legislative consideration. 4 " JA MES ' After a few words from Mr. Tease, Sir C. Btousau., and Mr. " CHARLES ROGERS, yen of Spitalfiells." Fonclosioe, the Home was about to divide when The SPEAKER, pronounced the petition to be Irregular. Mr. Secretary PEEL rose, and suggested that the Honourable Mr. HUME, without questioning the propriety of the Member for Aberdeen should withdraw his motion for the present, Speaker's interference in maintaining the existing Vivi* as tfie'returns mild not possibly be laid before the House during the present Session. leges of the House, regretted that they should so steel ?dr. HUME said he would have no objection to withdraw his as that patties injured by !misrepresentation, what'll motion. it' the Ecclesiastical Courts Bill was withdrawn until neat actuallynri6 there or by means of the medium through &Pion. which their proceedings went forth to the pubric,shcal Mr. D. W. HARVEY hoped his Honourable Friend (Mr. Hume) would not withdraw his motion unless the hese no remedy—should not even be allowed to eantie Ecclesiastical Courts Bill teas withdrawn. Tat It diet the false statement in the quitter where that tot Honourable Gentleman at/mimed that the ti n e ..f Bin- trodiction was of the fi r s t imrirtance. Generally spssb coe W. 1/riec4 eC4 13 years before . the Ecclesiastical ing they pro .eedings were correctly reported; ball thought it would be a gteat public advantage if door ennui, an4,-, surely such a circumstance was of itself had reporters of their own, and the Speeches of Ralli sufficient to induce the House to enter into a consider- Members were • atioq of the practice of those Courts. A system must given to the public in as antbenticateli form as possible.—The petition was withdrawn. be bad which, enabled a, pmty. in-.Bt. auk, whether bus• Mr. C. W. WYNN presented a Petition from certain a 1 blood or wife,. to evade justice for thirteen years. A and Slakometao inhabitants of British ladle. praying that'll. person wbOse case was now before the Ecclesiastical might be admitted to serve on Grand Jades* • Mr. W. WRITMORE said it was absolutely en! Courts—he meant Dr. Free—had called on him (Mr. daysand st agver) aft - W aS ago, ted that his cage had sat y t hat we should p a y the g reate s t attention to OP' .. , , . •a begn.pe.tosling, six „years,. and that • he bad spent 1,2001 feelings of the natives of India. He. hoped the ptsfor in.litennting fur bis.delence. If Dr. Free was innocent of the Petition would meet with no opposition frc , he Was cruelly vied , and if be were guilty he was suf- House; and he looked forward to a time when 111/2 fifiectli c r.. nnisbed billowing 1,2001. to pay, and being would be governed upon a principle very different ~._ eat 0 0 'kepkun er. the, tatture of suspense for six years. Sir ..I.I4ICACILL said, the . Bill before the House that which consisted in the patronage placed ill law .bands of a few merchants. Lord ASHLEY said a Petition of a similar ne w btincipallp related to the Prerogative Court, but that 'life case. of Briscoe, v. Briscoe had nothing to do with ' bad been presented last year from the natives _, of war . - .C.ontr„..hatung been. before the Court of Arabes, • ,li w ic e . t et wa t t o , b e e n r th e e nti i7ter; gone If ti d o i n sti o n f ct Cou G rt. nri lt appeared emen to t, ck every thing eqnnected with the Established Church, bay, which had been placed under the considenttio °I , present hod a ththeatbdeelphil of the I h n a d d ia been a n d ; Zes t too short a dirr t be enabled to entertain the question. He (Lora!! red ii Ore, Ettlestastical Courts were connected with s was, however, folly authorised to state, that thegresw ' . Esiwitalisbesi Churcb, th at, w ag a sufficient ma , a , b ,fa a exertions were now making in India t . introduce n a b. is ll o adi abeo ag fault w tioned ith - the h m; .ha. 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