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• - CITY. Tvinvit l) CLOCK. 3nderstand that Insurances have been made a. Lloyd's on roceeding front Lisboa to Rio dv Janeiro, laden with intr. I.' o the present hour, scarcely one bargain has been done in l asol market, which opened at 97,1 g for the Account. and for Money. Parliamentary Debates of last night occupy the attention rublic. ling is doing in the Foreign market, and prices are nominal !iv. CITY. HALF-PAST ONR O'CLOCK, tall rennin in the same dull state as in the early part of chit I, without any news, or the least speculation in the Gold Consols have remained, during the morning with a a". of about g per cent. as they have been done at 87i g t e e or, and are at present 1111 4. and for Money 87i to i. mot hear of any Raptess from Paris. °reign market is In the same state of stagnation as that d F•s l h.—Farchenuer Bills remain at yesterday'. prates. COURT CIRCULAR. Juke of Constitute% and a select patty, dined with the AUGUSTA on Monday, at her Royal Highness's residence 4iig's Palace, St. James's. ir Davos, the Russian Ambassador, accompanied by ,TUVIsILI and Prince Poasessc, the French Ambassador, Merence with the Uuke of Watmuossis and the Karl of as yesterday, at the T r e asur y . The Fureiin blintstere Earl of Assesses spiljoarned to the Fortis') Ofßer and hsequently kilned bf ,blOllll. 1311014,1Dai, the Spanish Jtl nil the Duke of Wm:pm:um Atter the close to the coos the French Ambassador remained engaged with the Eafl togas during a considerable time. wra i.o t t of S.lk Weavers Isom Spita!fields. and of the Silk I et Coventry, beaded I.y hunt, M.P. fur Coventry, at the office of the Board of 'Dade yesterday, mad bad a cc with the Vice President of the Board of Trade. NAVAL INTLLIAIsENCL. annex TnrsUaitr—Dublin 1-IVaterford I—Hamhurgh I, East India Company's ship Asia airived in Hang.' the tmul tuber. "Hie Prince ltegent, Marchioness of Ely. end ni also attend there. . • veva. 3latu.n 10.—Wind s.S—Arrived the Araeline f from St. Antuhlu. Sailed the Neptune. Ilurnaud, for MTH, MAscat 16--Wind S.E to 11.-=-Off port the St. Lays from Whoa. Arrived the Surpnse," Harvey. from ; James, Plat ritigion. fruos 11th instant. lbNes, M•acn 16 --Arrived the Lavinia, Tr!daubed, from MARCH 17.—Wlnd W.& W.—No arrivals or tailings. tatuusle, MARCH 17.—Wind & to W.B W. ARRN, MARCH s.—The mutt Lght RfUtl is at her station, smaller er inrer one ip still at litligulani. V 25. 25.—We have bad a sou.h wind for some days, • is broken, though not let c.rried away. The only this *kick kiss watered here is the John Kenton. ST. PA FRICK'S DAY. • being the Anniversary Of the Festival of St. Patrick, ned, as formerly, at the Freema-ont' Tavern. At hart ck the Marquis of Ekiwnsutaa took the chair. Among ished guests we observed, on the right hand of the No m. the Earl of Wicklow and Loud Pititakett ; and ulnas I, the Marquis of lamdonslerry - and Lord Gutlerich. y woo unusually thin or the fairer sex. grace of N. Nun Nubia," t h e Noble Chairman rose, toast to prispOse," sat° the Marquis, •• which, ea the Di this Society. I sin iu duty butind to give; anal, helms this sentbseitt, I ought to state tiler the Society has re. hundred guineas the amount ut has Majesty's must was vto it. - ther efore have to propose tar you, Geutler in butopets,• Ills Majesty's health, and long We to was received wi:h four times four ; but certainly usia.m which gladdened the olden times, fur the their politic., iu " God save the King," struck ly In the character of a warning voice. toast of " the Duke of Clarence, and the rest of the ly," there followed the giee.of " Now, the bright star, • the words from. Milieu. navy," with three times three, followed nest, with the - called " Rule, Britannia ;" alter which " General nd the Army" was given from the chair. log to the Report, which was read by the Secretary, the funds of this Society bad enabled the* logierly to omits tren, and yet SOU were waiting for admissiset. it-The next toast I shall give, Gentlemen , is; " the Society of St. Patrick." l ately have visited their I entertain or desk but that they will okietately be, le with that excellent institution, the Welsh Chinni idren were introduced, not, however, so numerously as and dressed not as heretofore in green, but brownish cloth. the toasts of the " Lord Lieutenant of Ireland," and to Ireland," and also the " Patronesses of St. Patrick." Cuateutan said, that he bad to propose the health of isal whose very name commanded respect, but ccrncern i he was Incompetent to speak in adequate terms. 1114 he wished to propose was, " The health of his Grace of Wellington. who now presided at the bead of his hla ment."--Drank with.thrrre times three. guts of LOSOOSIMILT said, that he rely great pleasure in the meeting, and complimented the Chairman as an Irish CHAIRMAN (his health having been drank) expressed that there was no country which was so grateful tor -• derived from the residence of their• landlords as to rank several Noble Lords among ...obility in that country. But he wished • from politics, as, whatever might be the would enable the people to eujoy the rations, of the constitution. talth being drank, be expressed his eon to be the duty of the 'Gentleman, ur one Anniversary to attend at the es .ty this day; but be stood upon still felt a warm an.l iiittlise ititercsk in the aich was noble iu its origin. discreet in its aided in its benevolence. With these iestivities of the day, and spun that politics. " constituted the next toast, when his ..art was so full that be could out trust subject 81,01 tit.retrt to it. were announced, the " Memory of their of York and Kent," And also of the .6 Chohoundeley," were drank in silence. lAnousosese said, that by did not wish to di's but he was glad, upon his conscience, .. Irish soldier to give peace to Ireland. If devoutly to be wished, should be conceded, • the .people of the sister kingdom would • bouts. being drank, he regretted the necessity thanks, and deprecated all allusious to . though he felt, had nothing to do with sense of future benefits. • His heart best geographical distinctions. If thrre . were how magnanimous in comparison most end ring to bind man to man, and nation tr all, ought nut to be conceded to tie Thu, after he had terri fi ed the despotism common good. Itwas nu looser am order of the day, and, as apt*, to be &ewards'heing drunk, .4 said—ln the unavoidable absence .st seem Colleagues, and . on behalf of them also, I 104 most cordial thanks, and to assure you. If arduous efforts have in the slighted de. support of our national and benevolent harmony and comfort, we *hall ever coo. rewarded: amount of 1,5701.. were announced, and th e hall ansidst great applause. 'HE FANCY. AtO a•skle took plate yesterday, neat -road, between Ned Btown (the Sprig d Cock or Waikam•treen, which was Wow • and two minutes, in a way masterly style. JR, MAIUCI.AIIII, Name Is. Wilkins, transacted in ear market ilia les have been very limited since Mondale day's prices for an kinds of Grain. moss uses MONDAY. 650 I Foreign Osts,Englisb 2,900 Irish 2,200 I Foreign Fluor (sacks) s 1,100 POlLbed by Joon Miami, the rivin Nq 1. lickatt-place. Temple Bar. Fes. 93.—sve nave 'cc is broken, though not 1 which kiss w,ntered ht ST. PAM' day being the Anniversa lebrated, as formerly, at 'clock the Marquis of 13 iguished guests we obser rman, the Earl of Wicklc and, the Marquis of Lon lier y was unusually thin the gr.ice of ". Non Nub a toast to propose," Sal of this Society, I sin it o this sentiment, I ough hundred guineas the , my to it. - therefore I drink in bunipens,• his utiment was received Is that entltusia.m which I confound their politic., bly in the character of the toast of " the Duke amity," there followed star, • the words from. navy," with three dm •ng called " Rule, Bri 'll and the Army" was j ding to the Report, whi fluids of this Society I Waren and yet SOU we -- MA I rbt next toast 1 nt Society of St. Patr and I entertain notion' compete with that excel hildren were introduce , and dressed not as hen the toasts of the " I ity to Ireland," and al oble Cuaseutan said, t ideal whose very name m he . wai Ineurepeten t he wished to proposi e of Wellington. who 13 • veroment."--Drank larquis of Louncirtnean the fleeting, and corn d. Obi! QUIRK/Al (his I cdou that there was n fits theyderived from b, and he was happy t aintance as resident Nol • canon to abstain iron ',sound education win s, or endure the Erivatil • nt Goninucit's health that. understanding it I an, who presided at t • had met the Soci.t grounds, became be fr is Id a Society, which ment, and unbounded partook of the kind le would abstain from p. d Plunketee health" ip said, that his heart dil.te on the subjec the subscriptions wee lighnessts the Dukes u lies ut Hastings and C arquis ut Lcunantexa dr political harmony, I as reserved.lor an lri• animation, so devout and trusted that the .w to appreciate the be 'Coeuxu:s beahh be under 01 returning tha Gratitude, grateful tb except as being a seas • knew nothing of gee at former times,, ho. Innards now ettsleava ! And what, after plain of the aye, win .5, now upheld the c • scheme, but the ot at. • health of the Stew Mums rose and sakl- unourable Colleague return you' our most le but sincere and at tribetetl to the sup as likewise your bars r laboun as amply re • iptions to the mom irman left the ball TH ted little light fur sd .ne,on the Barnet-Ito had Bevan, the Cot mer in one boor ant I RN. RXCHANG} was but, little but , and as the supilies n demanded that dm MINIMA 11 English (qrs.) Irish . • Foreign 2, English 2, risk rrinted and Pubis the Stoma Onus, Zl 4., e'er Co . _,D .. .... ./". 7 7 * • • 040 a • • ~.. „.,••••• v,.., i:ito i rdic r.k . e , 5 . ... • -cr.... ~ • , . . • • , . . 1 . . , ... • $ .: 5 ; • : 0 ' , - ..., .. li p • • - / 1 14,11 4 4 ' if 1101, .. 41 4 +.l 1,, t t t-1.- • . ~....._..... ... ki. il .. . • ..... . .•.•• .. . • ...,. I - :, b . , 1 • Ihi Ile . ' 0 1' • ~ r • •,... , i- --.6k, AP • ... . , r . .. . _.... ... I . . ' -.. ' • NUMBNit r 5,121.1 r, MARCH 19, 184. PRICS SEVIINPENCN. IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. itituter Stow, Sir, I could refer to a grist number of the Right Hon. Mover's speeches in former debates in, which, as it appears to me, he gave the most satistat- 1 tory answer to this question. I can also refer to the Words of a very high authority, the colleague of the Right Honourable Mover. and who now holds the highest digit, in this country—l refer to the present Lard Chancellor. When the Noble Lord was in this House, and the question was under discussion, he an swered 41 similar question, and I shall refer to his own words fnr the manner in which he answered it. I he. line. Sig, that nobody who was present at the debate which took place in March.lB27, on this question will tail to. recollect the speech of the present Lord Chance:- Iw, and the collisioa which took place between him and a Right Honourable Gentleman now no more. In the coarse of that speech Lord Lyndhurst said—"l am abed, if I object to the measure proposed, what sub -4111111111 I am prepared to propose? But I do not know, , that I am required to give any answer to such a ion."—This was the observation of Lord Lynd. la the debate of 1827 he continue J -41 My sm &ergo* is, thit I Um not a Minister. •/ am tut Member of his Mairnty's Geverneseet. I eta not a Meister of the,cneetry ; and it would he idle,lind ewes mischievous for me. therefore, to say what measures, in my private opinion, ought to be adopte.o." Sir, fol. lowing this high authority, enforced on Cos partictegar eigasiomby the good seose of the ob,ervatioa, I think icwould be highly unbecoming in me to broach any rejects, or to sport any hypothesis. as to what I:think ought to be done, but which, unconnected as lam with his Majesty's Government, I have no me ins of enforcing. I think that by indulging in any .observations (spline tory-ot my own opinions as to what should be done, I should unnecessarily and unprofitably occupy the time of the House; and if I were followed be others, I think we should only be deviating from the real question on which this debate hinges. If I am asked, then, what measure I propose to substitute for the concession of political power to the Roman Catholics, in order to allay existing animosities, and to preserve tranquillity in Ireland, I refer to the speech of Lord Lyndhurst.— The Noble Lord said, when the question.was put to him—'s I will answer that questi-n by asking another; I will ask. what aie the securities which. the Roman Catholics propose to concede to us for the concessions we are called upon to grant to them?" Those were the sentiments of Lord Lyndhurst in 1827. He then thought specific securities necessary; but since he left •this House he does not seem to set the same value on weerities-as he did when this speech was made. Befode taking leave of it, I really wish that Honourable.Gen• ttrmen would take the trouble of. referring to this speech, (or it contains some very curious matter, and gins rise to many consideration... There is another point, Sir, on which I with to put a question. Ond to make an observation. The question I a WI to ask is, whe ther his Maj sty's Ministers see the clarion sundae( on this question in a different light now (tom what they did last year an h in the sear before the last? It they do not see use dangers 9f the question in a different light, then I have a right to ask whether they think that the present mea sure gives, or that they are now in possession of, greater facilities-for meeting and obviating those dangers and *difficulties than they were. during the last year, and in the year preceding it? I beg to direct,the especial at tention of the Right Honourable Mover to this clues. tion. Either the dangers of resisting those concessions are the same as they were 144 year, or they are greater. It the dangers are the same, the answer to the proposed measure is the same which' the Right Honourable Gentleman made in former sears when this question was discussed. That answer was sa tisfactory to me, and appeared so to the House, and there is no.occesion for ins to adopt a different course from that, which the Right HonourableGentleman then pointed out seusr.d)urperliaps it will be said the dal,. ger is now greateprbut I say. Sir, that lithe dangei i. loci eased,. it riser in? to die supineness °t - 'his Majesty's Governmeet ..forlbeito neglekt of what was going for ward,. And to their unparaheled, unaccountable, and still unexplained disregard. w 'that monstrous power which had as isen in belated:4nd was ssiel4,l by the unconstitutional body known as tae Catholic Associa. tion—(Cheers). It has been asked at different times, but. it never has been answered, why this ia.posthume, if I may he allowed so to call it, was allow e.l to grow up under the epee eh the liish Government, whilst they cook no steps Tolsee)an end to it ? It is true that Ms. nisters denounced man..hard . words, but, they allowed it to arrive to vigour and maturity by their own supine. areas and inaction, and by the consequences of that 5.,- Fineness and inaction therm: now woven to comelar. ward with the measure before the House—(Hear).— rbe Bight Honourable Mover has distinctly stated r.9et he did not come forward to propose this measose, ver his own option. He does not propose it as a men ktog Of eight. or of liberality, or of justice to the Roman catkelics. but merely as a choice of difficitltie.—(Hear. teat. ; He dreads. lest the dangers which. may arise jsciin sesisting the demands of the Roman Catholics g reater than those which. he admits, he is ap reftensive will arise from granting those demands.— Tql. is the argument of the Right Hon. Gent:email, a r i4it isimpossible. therefore, I think, to contend that *season aow.bntore the House is not a measure of ingesidation. It is a measure of intimidation, So, and nOtbieg.elok--(Hear, hear). That power which his bOexiso long.at.work in Ireland undermining his Ma ' *jetty's Government has at length triumphed by extort , ang this measure from the fears of his Majesty's Minis ' rs., The Noble Duke at-the head of the Administra tion has been greatly - praised and magnified during those discussioste, and, inmy opinion, there is no man -who deserves more to be praised and magnified for Many signal and splendid public services. But as to the measure now proposed.—be it for evil, or be it for good—and in my conscience I believe it will be attend ed witbAbs most fatal esmequences; it is not the mea• sure of the Noble Date's it is, in point of fact, the aseasute of the Member fur Clare. Be his the honour, or be his ths• blows far to him, and not to the Noble Duke at she heed of his Majesty's Government, is this measure owing. When the triumph of the Catholic As. SOCiatian celebrated, as it-will be, no doubt, when the measure now before Pasliallsrot is passed, the Noble puke at the bead of the Ministry will perform only a WWI part in the pageant. The Member for Clan, the great hero of the Association, must act the first part, and what place will belch for the Noble Duke? • Like the calliope of Marius in his triumph, it May be said, Naas maps Iwo mew secendo—(Chows). Amon& the Prima on ear mixed coustituuos, Sir, it There are a great variety of means by which seats call be obtained. Now, in England I think it is not too much to say that cut of the boroughs and towns forty or fifty seats might be expected to get into the hands of Roman Catholics. From England mid Irelard, then, we have 100 Roma. Catholic Members. As to Scot. lan.l, I believe less would be done by the Roman Catho• tics in that country, for the Unman Catholic religion is neither prevalei.t nor powerful t ere. When speaking of Scotland, however, I cannot pass it by without ob serving that, by theiproposed measure. we bre ik r ne a f the leading articles of* Treaty clamed into by us with that kingdom alien it was an independent nation— (lleat). Be this meanie we age violating a sacred article the Union. And this is done for tt.e pi.rpose .4 laying every thing at the feet of the Cathi‘lic Assn. clausal. We Kill suppose, then, Sir, that there ale. a handled Roman Catholic Members in this Hi .u,e. 814 is this all that is to be dieedadY In any question con. cerning the Church Establishment. will the Roman Ca. chokes have no support Itodi the Dissenters? e the D•sseatery so much compacted with the Church E ea- . *Airbuses* that they a illunite to support it a' rs.k • ? The. Mute !Iris . 314 t , (A' to . hear id mind the tone uf„ many oftheVAitiOds lately presented IriusiCotestant• pithesiters, Ind the arguments wish whiCh they' were followed up.'• Those and.the st eeches made' its support of them. were pregnant with instances if the .feelings of the Dissenters against the Church Etta- ' -blishruent. At the Dissenters do Ink partake of ti.e tpii 4E41 benefits of the Edahlishmesit, if there are to be.r,o civil dftqaalificatiuris attached to religious nions; it is not unreasonable to expect that they may en. cocain a great desire. if not to runs the Church Boa: blishmeut, at all events to be ex..nera.ed front the tea pence and charge of maintaining it—(He4r). We 4.rra heard opinions in this House, -and recently toe. tothie l effect; It lids been repeatedly said that. the Church . Establishment it tocilarge, and that by • !educing it tir - its primitive poverty it would also be restored to mitive purity. How tat-this doctrine is received is this Housel 'do not take tiOari•myselt to say, but the doctrine has been extensiv ely prniptgated, and been promulgated by many popolsr wrifeta,whose woe ks ate much read amongst certain classes. Itt has been fairly and Candidly stated by some writers,that they supposed thi. measure• because they thought it would lead to subs ersion of t e Protestant Establishment, and not. as is erro neously conceived, as I think, by sonic ilouour,ble Members, that it would strengthen the Establishment. How any one can suppose that the proposed n ea sure can confer advantage on the Established Church is mole, Sir, than I can concefte, and I shall not attempt to argue on it. I, chill the last time that she lush Protestant Church came under discussion in this -House was in 1824, and a distinct motierawas then ramie toe the diminution of its revenues. On that motion it was distinctly laid down as ;- principl e , that the revenues of the Church were liable to be applied to the exigencies of the State, and upon a division boo Member's' voted for the motion. Now, Sir, if the Catholics, the D.esentere, sod the other toes of the Established Church, were in coadn..aits.it and marshalled is array against the Print-want anent, fur bow rany apes would the COldest. het ? In/ 1.1.111.441, k would only he the siertile of a an / le Scwion. N..w, slr; what is there which would prevent the Rumen CathoSes from dont this? 1 have no doubt that they would chnieuetate to of t-in ei.y object which they conceived mould promote their own rouge. 11. They would sit at one side or another, as incliultswa I. d thew ; but when any question relating to their religion was Waugh( forwer.l they would be found a united body, and, being united. they would • become mote powerful than as a numerical body. 1 do not Balk ut hundreds, Sit, but 1 have teen long enough be this neatens know how powerful bodies of twenty, and even of ten. Milldam are when united. When led Ly an able man small bodies of this desei ips Gun are oaten powerful in hiding the means of forcing themselves • into power, and carrying into effect their own views—(a-Lat.-hear). The Revolution of 15b8, Sir, has been ()hell referral to, and the arguments on that subject have excited something of imveity.— Much has been said of King William and his comminute, and 1 have heard, with surprise, the strange distinctions made between the intentions and.acts of those who took a part in bringing about that great event known as the Revolution. It has been said that all that was done by King William was to settle it that the person • wearing the Crown should be Ai Protestant ; arid therefore it is said that the Crown being Protestant was all that King %Vil and his councillors laboured for; or cared at out. Now, the face happens to be true, though the &creme is false. The only sep ta:Wu made by King William, Was concerning person to wear the Crown, because that was sU that was then necessary. King William could not have doneinore than was dune before to racoon Catholics from political power, and from all offices in the When it is said, therefore, that King William did not make shine exclusive laws, I admit the tact ; but then, I say, no more .;ad King Wi ham and his councillute make Magna Charta. The Laws excluding Papist. from power were made before King Wialiant's time : they were sufficient, and he left them as be found then, Dora auy human bring suppose that one of the first acts of R .m.ts Catholic Member. ot Parliament, when once admitted Iwo pew Cr, w o ad nut b e to seek d o - isuo.ediara eetabliehment knel aggr.4.4inta ment of their own chords at the expense of that lion esrsisli Ind cy the Constitution? Nutwithstanding all the broad :lid sweeping a.- . Denims that have been made rat the conte t ry, I must cottnaue to think that such were the opinions of King William and !meowed tors. I would entreat the Howe to look at the temper of that has loot been a question whether, in a constitotion like oars, it is tafer to depend on a Protestant cabinet under a Popish King, or on a King who professes the Protes tant faith and a Popish ciabinet? nod coosidesing the situation of this count, y.thecircumstances under which la 0010ernment is necessarily placed in these tines. and 1 Fhe desire of irresponsibility which it has- beer found convenient and necessary to attach to the person who wears the clown. I•don't hesitate to state, that in my opinion stropi.h King and a P. otestant cabinet would be safer for the coontty than a Piniestant I{mg stir rounded by Popish Ministers—(Hear)—as the business of Goernment is now administered, a I ihe acts of the Croweare dime upon the impossibility of t' e Nimisters doe day, whoever they happen to he. It would be ao mush easier then for a Popish Minis ry to corotoul the ealiduet and even the conscience ad Soo,creign than for a SoVeLeign to controul the measures ifl_tis Ministers, that 1 sisillid greatly prefer having a Papist near the Ceovin to having a Protestant King surrounded ty P. ' i t ocillors. I c iwasi oose e rr i sr et ip li a t r p . o r w c i us li .si sa ss y rr o w ,a b t a l t ith sitotd have set, by coast& 'Ow, tumefy. what. : t ie, the. dangers vibitb I think are really so b: apprehended Non the meanie now profit:me ) aid stale fairly aril without exaggeration what, as it appears to me, will be the natural, and, I might say, the incest ebie come pence, of this measure. With the r et roirbion of the Houle .I will refer - to what has been said in former de bates on similar measures as to the dangers to he apple headed, merely because the dangers are expressed in terms much cicalas and mote f.scible, as well, perhaps, as more correct, than could come from it yselt. lii the memorable debate of Ib27.allusions were mid( to the propriety of admitting Roman Catholics to se- is in Pat- Wiliest. This is the point .which has been relied on as conveying political power to the Roman Catholics. - In their admission to seats in Parliament, cousiste that po. litical power which is given them by the measure now before the House—(dear). • Now, Sir, I have arrays stated, and I am ready to state it again, that the only Vona I object to is the admission of Roman Catholics to Parliament. I am ready to grant them every thing else demanded tor them. But the ash ocates for the Roman Catholics insist on this concession; and when I Vund it was.a sine qaa nos with Mr. Canning, I found myself obliged to leavehisthand I have since constaitly opposed all nieasnres of concession, because it was Repeatedly stated that the Roman Catholics would never lest satisfied until this, to my mind, most objectionable concessionbateiithe year was granted snv I to them. Nov, Si., iii the di. the admi s sion of itomast Catho lic, into Parliament was objected to on the ground " that the effect would be to bring the CAI) lic and Protestant Churches into collisto, finally to the de suuration of the latter, and that the confusion amd dis order which: would prevail for age. whilst the snuggle was going on, would be a greater evil even than the event itself." Now, Syr, I agiee in- every part i f this representation but one ; the confusion and disorder Consequent on the overthrow if the Protestant C etch *Might last for ages; but I do Lot believe that the eon 'ten would be a very protracted one. I 'think the march of events would be much m as rapid this the spe.ker wh,,,e winds I have quoteJ •eeined to aliticipate. Ido not say that the event *Sic!' lie piedicteJ %sold occur within so short a peiiod as rrmains to me of lif ; but the Right Hoo. mover, pet haps, may live to see the consequences of the measure. He ha., I sincerely hope, a long and a happy lite betoie Lim. According to the course cf nature he may yet look torward to many years, and I do believe that the danger to be sp prehendel from this rn•asure—the overthrow of the Es•ablished Church—will happen to t in ages hence, but in the time of the Right Hon. Gentleman and r f 11l inr others who now hear me. Tha t e overthrow cf the Established Church will be the ultimate effect of this ifteasure I have no douht. I think kit as char a., canse and effect. (The H m. Witiber here met with some in - erruption, which ,occasioised a ci of " Bar bar ," from the men.beis who surrounded h in, and du ring the coniusion some sentences were fort in t! e gallery.) The H ,n. Member continue 4.-1 can't colcui in the observation of the It et lion. Gen lem in, Sir. nor can ,1 conceive how he can feel tba the danger •lii.h he described so strongly :is Ilk ly to arise It m continuing iesistai-ce to those dem-sods, shootd inJuce him to otellook the danger ...Inch . lit: is . ow peeci;ir. pirating and bi unsung to--a dagger, rii my opinion, much greater than that which lie now hot es to avoid by Ow prupo:ed measure—(leas). Tlose are two iionus which have been often mooted in !elation to this part of the subject. It has hero said that il the Cade. tics weir p assessed of political power there is no reason to suppose that they would bisect that rower to the over throw of the Eoablisheo C:1133 Ch. Ti ,is hypothesis has been met by the obtervati ni that the ROM en Catho lic religion isadvei ,e to Protestantism, and that we can not rely' n Roman Catholics when the question arises as between'the two Churches. But then it is said that this is not *2 religious question—that it is merely 4 political question. Now, Si:, this is really cavilling in a way, in my . opinion, not quite consistent with common sea e. The qoestion is, whether the Roman Catholics, being members of a sect holding peculiar ieligious opoions, can safely be entrusted with political power ? The whole qu•s:ion, then, n us upon the nature of the Ro man Catholic teligion, and it is therefore a question of religion. The Roman Catholic religion, then, being a religion of encroachment and u'urpation, if political power was thrown into the hands of it: members, what is there to prevent dem from using that power in op position to Protestantism—what is to prevent them, for instance, from subverting the Es . tablished Church of Ireland? Many calculations have been made as to the number of Members who would be returned from Ire land if the representation of that country was open to Roman Catholics. I have heard even a larger number stated, but I don't think it at all unseasonable to sup pose that fifty or sixty Members, ball the mite number returned from Ireland, would be Roman Catholics,— This would be the state of the representation if we looked to Ireland alone. But let us also look to this country. It is well known tha(in this country there are many noble, wealthy, and powerful families, who are 1 Roman Catholics, and who will naturally look to seats in Parliament, and to all those objects of ambition and elevation which Protestants in the same rank usually 'look to. By their influence, and their wealth, and theft power, thoye families will endeavour to get power over as many ',main Parliament as they possibly can. Every one knows that there are many different ways in which seats in this House are obtained: 6 , Nane preniki, nonevents, aunt vi." NOW OF TOM MONS, MARCH 18. At ROiltr ak fr ai liLlS presented a Position from die Lewd Preemlenl • of Itilluburgii, sighed blibeneeins 111.000 insil 14,000. against she Csiballe Claims, sod similar Peti tion EOM arW ati peeishes in fitatomideireki" from . the Pro=3kilif Eite=tn, s a l ad eleve n P in Deckleilkiem, ' Wintery, ht vents. With respect to what tad been said se the subject of petitions, het& his part shoold be winks. trek tilltheo_ifeloek in the misrules to hen the middens of the pleads MOMS ; sod he would seeded these who °hinted. *at it wee naps ent for soy Member, to move an adjournment of the debiee. He Wended to impose a closes in the Bill wpm vent the Mame Minister mid Piny Connell being Catholics, mid he bone the /Aimee ovoid est son a clause. Colueel Pa's. presented Ear Petitions from foal potashes fulgurliiiii. lir. LAIle presented eighteen Petitions from parisheilo Z ip the r. of in Caner of thi Catholic Claims. ca SI ;premed a Panne from lilarketsteide. . in Llueoloshies.eobhet eke *idiotic Mew Mr. D/CX pressured Ave similar Petitions from parish's in . &Sadie • litg: %AIME took that pereseky of nietideolog, that whet he lialland ma a huomoreltilsi es lb* Bill now MOO dill Hesse dis natal Casimir,. had bets•llikilden- . flotittlit • bad the il. um. liklits liewseille hod ested. topeinehe i . Mint blataireseli‘ditiken 'slew fir bkipietelis : be noel& give avery dechied nee &phut the present BM. • Ur. Nernst WOOD prosamoid•a Petition from the Unita rians of Ceeterhery. In tenor oftlip Catholic Claims EDWARD it I is It N A TCH DU LL 'presented Petitions from er n end tea parishes in Int, against the Catholic Calms; and &boiler Pedtiesis from .Ikinint,, god rho Kirk Seaton of Dun dee; and a Petition from Ilisomgiteein favour of the amass. • Mr. bRANSBY coops* presented a Petition Crass 1 111 .4 b► moil, against Cooceisions: • Mr. OVA RA pinented Penises from the Inhabitants of Gal way, sedsbe Ompbratini of Galway. I. favour of the Claims. bk. W. DU ND AS repeated Madam from the Corporation of Goldsmiths of EUeliergli. in favour of the Catholic Claims; sod from the of Tailors, against the Claims. Lord DO AN NON preseined a Petition from certain Catho- ' lies of IWO& egoism the Disfranchisement Bill, which be should °pone as muiservary and oiliest. - Lord ALTHORF said he Agreed with his Noble Friend in disliking the Ill), is mach as be could dislike it. He had supported the Dl.franchisement Bill of 1825, because he belleted the forty shilling freeholders were entirely under the controul. tricker land lords. The election of 11126 convinced him tbst,opinion was errands's. and be sineevely , wished that the Enuincipation Bill ' could be passed without the other measure ; but Be understood that was imposdbie, he most reluctantly rapport the Disfranchise- ' ment Bill s for the sake of the ether—(Hear). - • . Colonel DAVIS said, he had the highest regret for the opinions of both his Noble Friends • yet he should have supported the Dia ,fratichisentent MI if it s tood alone, bailing it as he did as a measure of Parliamentary Reform, &the 40a freeholders of Ireland were at present at the oisposal either of their landlords of their Priests. Sir IL COLDURN Willie had served on Irish Eieetion Com mittees. illirWall made= the freehold there required regulation; and that the proposed Bill wee a geed measure. Mr. ABERCROMBIE said he cockily agreed in the opinion on the 'Object that had been lately given by his Friend the Member fur Wiest:bases (Mr. Broogbane). Mi. P. lIIACQUEEN presented Petitions from Dumtable, and six parishes in Bedfordshire, against the Catholic Claims. Ale. HURST presented a Petition from the Baptists of Horsham in !avow of the Catholic Claim.. hit. STANLEY presented seven similar Petitions from %Vat- Hasten. and p_arisbes in Lancashire. Mr. KNOX presented a similar Petition from the inhabitants of dip amity of Tyrone. Sr. WILLS presented Petitions from the Dissenters of Maid stone and the palish of Peeltinghant. against Cosa-sans ; and similar • Pisidoma frees two parishes in Nadia. *Lord ROBERT MANNERS presented three similar Petitions Irma pathos ist Cambridge. litr. SeTCOVRT presented a similar Petition from a parish in Stager& lik. DUODALE presented two similar Petitions from parishes In Werwiek. MC DICKENSON presented three similar Petitions from pa stels& inloimenet. •r; C. PALLMEft presented t o o Aguilar Petition from eon gregatientbs•imulawuk. Lord GEORGE LENOX presented a similar.Petition'frini a parish in Sussex. • Mr. CHAPLIN preeentid two similar Petitions from parishes in Uncoil. • Lord UXBRIDGE preiented a similar Petition from the PrO natant Dissenters of Ho ybead. • t • • • Lord JOHN RUSSELL presorted Petidems in hveure(Con cession, from Oldham and Betainal•green- . ..'i ... • ADJOURNED DEBATE—ROMAN CATHOLErEELItIe BILL. A few minutes before six o'clock, upon the mesissa.of Mr. ge• cretary P&L, the Order of the Day for second resuming debate on t u the reading of the Rattan Catholic Relief 4 w 4,. read. The SPEAKER having put the question on the s ' id reading,. Mr. BANKES, WO. toss and addressedlifib• House nearly as follows—Sir, I have so often bad ditsion to ' eater upon the discussion of the subject now under con sideration, both in this and in former Houses of• Par. ' Lament, during the fait frivent)-sin years, that, if it were not from the eery particular circumstances under which' the question now comes before as, I should not hive considered it necessary to have inuuded myself on the attention of the House. The novelty of the qtiestion as it now comes before Parliame.a, wises from the al. feted position in which I and ninny others who continue. to act with me, and who adhere to the opinions we. have always professed to maintain on this subject, find' ourselves placed in with regard to some of the Men bets g.f his Majesty's • Government u ith whom we had been previously aceo towed to act. That is the first conOderatitin which arises, and to that co,isioeraticinl shall now take leave to direct a few observatihns. • 1 d 4 nut enter upon this discussion, Sir,. with the hoph -- df efering any thing new on this very exhausted .stitiecil It would greatly surpass my' ability to offer any thifig new on suLl a question. Wren it is complainsa b the Bight Honourable - Mover, and ocher Members of his Majese)'s Government, however,• that they boand themselves deseited • in former ditcussions on Ibis 41titki- II lion by those who concurred in opinion with- then,' I Might, •ptsh Ts, venture to say that I sal . liCle - One of those who can be justly charged with having deserted them on former occasions, however"! might now hated right of accusing them of deserting me—(Hear, heal:" The Right Honourable Mover,Blr, hat endeavouredto impress upon us that the difficult, Which weighed upon his mind, and which be found irnpdssible to solve, was, that if we:refused further concessions to the Ro man C,tholics, se could devise Ito other course which we r ught to pursue. - This argument has been at) Often* , I l repeated, and so much relied upon, that I shall take the libett y of adverting to it at the beginning of whet Mail *Se. to the House. It has been presser! upon MI over and beer again, that if we do not concur ib'what is bow advised by his Majesty's Ministers webasse nothing else to suggest instead, Now, Sir, I say that this errs 'lent which is pressed upon. us by the Right Honout. abie Movor was pressed upon him repeatedly in fattier debates. . It was the chief argument of those who were favourable to concessions to the Roman Cathot er cs, and • was pressed repeate dly on t h e Right Hon. Al by 1 Mr. Culoing,, and by*Mr. now Lord Pluokett, who al ways endeavoured to put the Right Hon. Moms into a ditinelli by•saying, " If you wip not grant congestion 1 to the Roman Catholics, what do you propose as a sub klooarch and his advisers on the admission of Roman Cationic' to political power. (Woe of the first Acts of the ant Session of the reign of that bloaarch was an Act watch disabled Papists from the enemies •of Legislative power or lutboeity. It ev.o went further, and indicted upon them baoishavent front the me tropolis. I o not advert to these measures for the pelmet of adeociting them in the abstract. I ant aware that they were called fur by the necessity of the times, and that is the v.ry ground which I take. The Conduct sod known ptineiples the Roman Catholics called for those measures, sad alone war ranted their adoption - they were justified by necessity—dot only could justify Ahem—but the existence of that necessity is in the highest degree impurtaat to my present argum-itt.— I confess my total inability to comprehend bow any rational and well informed men can doubt the senumentsof Kill Go vernment and of the Mtwara hinsaellon the tusfunevs of Roman Catholics to exercise political power in this country.. To say nothing oldie Acts paned In England, those adopted in Scotland would alone be OrChiliVlN Those statutes Ica thilltroagest" trims tieroJoto the doctrines 6f the Roman Catholic church, and assert the unfit ness of those who profess them (or the enjoyment of power in a Protestant country. To me it appears one of the most perfectly compreheusible matters that ever came under my obeervationkow any man can doubt -the mind, the aniatise with which these measures were adopted, or could glee any other interprets. Lion than I have given to the Toleration Act. Th.t Act was not passed for the indulgence of Catholics; it was passed solely (or the benefit of the Protestants thiamin*, for the relict of tender amselencee amongst those who dissented from the doctrines and db. cipliae of the chinch of Rome. In fact, a special exception was made to the disadvantage of the Roman Catholics; for then, as folly as now. the. believers in ttaniebstautiation were excluded from offices of State and the esercise ofkeidative power.• I am aware that the authority of )Ir. Locke often quoted in support ut she measure before the House ; add (think his authority most material to my purposes, being, as be sioquesiiinably was, the great advocate of toleration. No one will question atthis time of day the character of that eminent philosopher, or doubt the tolerant spirit •ot his writing. Now, that philosopher distinctly recognised the esdositte of Roman Catholics from the benefit of the Toleration Act.. I am lei from saying that such principles should now be acted upon; but dds I du say, that—and it was with tbeebject of sappootleg the assertion I ads about to make that I advert to those citeasmottidoes, thin Ido my, that they mealiest, in the deem possible osatmer, the Acts */ King William were fully. completely calculated fete she exclusion of Roman Catholles--that that was the principle. of his Government, and one feasriyidels it never awerv4. There cannot be a.groeser misrepresentstionstalim . to put a shgerrit gloss upon . the measures of that reign. The authorities 'to which I have re. 1,900