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of those whom is has been sent to instruct in an empil decree with their brethren in England. the if ctions of those whom it is employed in instructing, an I I have no: doubt but that the persons belonging to the Este., blislinient in Ireland would be realy to shed the last drop of their - blood in defence of - the doctrines of that Church. Now, it is said, my Lurds, that it is violence which is apprehended as likely to be exercised against that Mutely . but I 'ast your Lordships whether that Church is more likely so be succesoully protected against violence by an unanimous Government and Parliament oohed with the Given:norm and with it self. or by a divided Government, and a Parliament of which the parts were opposeetlo each other ? My L 1 am convinced that no than can look with patience sai l attention at the present state of this question withoot; being convinced that the real interests of alt classes in this cosiest' y, and particularlyahe Church itself, require the consideration and settlement which I now Ins:spoor. T:iis settlement will give Wen ty to the Church, strength to every departioent of the Government, and general tranquillity to the country at large. Having now, my Lords. gone through the general principles on which I have introduced this MINIUM to your Lotdships.l shall trouble the House tot a short time by an explanation of the provisions of the Bill itself. The Bill is a very sim ple one. It concedes to the Roman Catholics the power of holding every office in the Bate except a few which. were connected with the administration of the affairs e( the Church. The Bill al.o admits the Roman Catho lics to seats in both Houses of Parlament. I believe that it goes Catcher in the concession of offices to the Roman Catholics than any former measute which has been sub mitted to Parliament ; and [confess that the reason why 1 have thought it my duty to make these concessions larger than has been ever done was derived 'rem a c. 0.. tideration of the effects posducel by the partial mea sures of concession adopted in 1739 and in 1793. 1 ob served that any restriction. upon concession had only the effect of increasing the demands of those who were the objects of restriction, and of giving fresh power o• those who were will excluded from any portion of their civil privileges. 1 therefore thought - it my duty to make at once the me Isere of concession so large as to sati.ty the expectations #4 any reasonable man in the courtly. To stop shout in this course, and leave any exclusion. in existence, would only provoke fresh demands, and produce the continuance of the disorders which have already Rowed from the same cause. My Lords, with regard to the securities which are to accompany this measure, 1 have already said what I think upon the atifiect. So far as the Church is concerned, 1 cannot see how the granting of seats in Parliament to Roman Catholics can in airy manner affect the security of the b . ,t4hlishinent.• My Lords, 1 woell here observe, in the first place. that when the Act of the 300 of Charles 11. and the Acs at theßevolotion were passed, it was not she Church that was in danger. but the State.. The State was in danger, not because the Church was threatened. but because the person then spool the throne was suspected of being a Roman Catholic. whilst the next in succession •was a declared Papist. This system; of esclesion was then adopted. not from any danger to. %%hick the Church was exposed hole the Roman Ca-; doylies; on the contrary. it was well known that the' danger to the Church in the e days was apprehended, not from the Roman Catholics. but from the Dissenters. I do not, my Lords, therefore, think it necessary Im o me, in adopting and recommending these rneaotres, Justify myself upon the subject of any danger to be ' ap prehended for the Established Church. The Roman Catholics, when admitted to Parliament. would take their seats as they had done before the 30th of Charles the Second. At that tins' Peers sat in this House, and did not take the oath of Supremacy. Now they are required to take the oath of Allegiance, into which a great part of the oath of Supremacy has been embo died, as mach at least as relates to the question of a fokeign jurisdiction; and, if the Church shall be placed in• danger by this Act. at least it will be in no greater danger than it was. before the Act ache SOth of Chas. 11, Btu, my Lords. what 1 principally rely upon, and what I wish mote particularly to point out to your Lou &hips' attention, is the tact, that lot the last forty years, during a lads this question has been agitated, it hls beers the opinien of almost every considerable two in this country that, whatever necessity may have originally existed for the passing of these laws, the time was come when they ought to be repealed-.(Hear) I know, my Lords, .that there are many persons in this House and in the country who entertains a different opi nion (and I have myself been of that opinion f r some time) that it was.necessary, in the event of making any concessions to the Catholics. to receive from that body sufficient securities for the Church of England. and to have some stronger obligation upon the conduct of the Roman Catholic Clergy than was to be derived from oaths. I confess, however, that, upon looking Mote closely into the subject than I had previously done, sad upon examining the Acts of Parliament by which the Church was constituted and on which it was founded, have come to the conclusion, that we catm• t obtain any important or efficient security of that kind. To illustrate this a little, I entreat the attention of your Lord hips far a moment whilst I explain the situation of the King of Prussia in reference to this subject, who exercises the power of appointing Bishops in the various parts of his dominions, under different concordats with the Pope and other Powers—for the territories on the left bank of the Rhine under a cone° , dot wish Bona parieond for the territory on the right bank under an arrangement a iththe former Sivereigns of that country. Now. each of these concordats supposes the Pope to have some power in the counts yfor which the wow' chit was entered into. It would be otherwise impossible that the Sovereign cf those countries could be parties to ouch a contract. Now, that is the very point to which we can never yield. We can never admit that at y per son whatever out of this country can bate the power to ente r into such a contract with our Sovereign. .We must keep our Sovereign clear of all such transactions. It is clear, then. that the sort of secutity to which I refer could not be had wit!: out admitting that the Pope does possess, and actually is enti.led to, exercise in Vsis country a power, the existence of which we de. y. It was impossible to take any step towards this kind of woe ity without f riling into the inconvenience which I, base mentioned. It would be impossible even to pro • cone Cie appointment by the Como of one of the per-, sons called Bishops in the Catholic Church, without ad mitting in the Pope an authority to inset here in the tetrad efts of this country. But, sopposing that the Kis% had obtained the power of non incing the Catho lic Bishops, his M..jesty. after appointing the Bishop, Ovoid provide him with a Bishoprick. and provide him with a diocese in which to. wren* his jurisdits tioo. Nese. 1 should like to know in what pan of Eng• land or Ireland it would be possible for his Mlesty t • discover a spot is which be could plant the new Bishop. His Majesty is sworn " to preserve Virtu the Bishops and Clergy of this realm, and to the churches committed to their charge. all such rights and privileges as by lew do appertain to them." I should. thmefute, like to kaow how bis Majesty Could provide fur these persona ... consistently with his oalaa-ind,olietter the *fold *A lose mere than if gain.. by eech an • mem r But these watlittiehecigetirsty which Wiraletbids vet moth desiredittrik car; carp baying' a row get)) the criiada6ce r; it t by the Roman atholics °rein counts) , with the Rome, and in supervising that correspOnd.ase, purpose of preventing the mischiefs which may ecclue to this country from such eirfeepc>ticlitici..lll.w, upon this point also. I Ct.' a great Ohjection toinielsing this. Government isi such aff ;its. That ceirresprindence 'is entirely covenant about spiritual affairs, a nd an y i,.. terfe: enee by the mathoisties of this country ss nold be 'serf diffieu:t and inconvenient. Suppo hog the subject of any particular part of the ro•re.potidene to be the eaconsniunication of an intlividoal, it wield he impos sible If theGoverument to interfere in it without ads 'spitting that the Noe. with the Scoriae, of S ate, had 'the power of making ce• tai regulations in this country. I am sure that this sort of security, like the 'miner. 'instead of increasing, must diminish the safety of the Established Choich—(Hear, hear). The miaow nication wi.h Bum, is already soffic.ently provided for by the laws which exist fur its regulation. I am aware that these laws, like many others, are connived at tot the present. But if they shall be at any t h roe abused—it the conduct of those persons who were thy objects of those laws should ever- be such as to eall for an active interference °tribe past al Government in that ease, the releases:a now before the H use would enable the Giermement to interfere. not only with much greater effect than they cast do at present, but also in a manner which must give satisfaction to all parties in this Hou e and the country. There is, my Lards anus ther part of the Ball which pins an end to the Jesuits iii this country. If your L. irdships will look to the Act ..1 1791, your Lordships will probably see th it then, as well as now, it was possible for one m -n to make a law through which another man could drive a coach and six. I hope me Noble and Learned Friend near me (Lord Redesdahe will cacti., me when I say that, al- , though the Act of 1791 was drawn with great care. yet, sit direct cniitroreiition of its principles, large esta-1 blishments of Jesuits had since that time been made here as well as in Ireland. The p e-ent Bill would not only peers t the influx of Jfsuits, but also of other re gular orders belonging to the Church of Rime, and would. without d.nng any injury to existing invest. naei ts. prevent any more simile, institutions howl's-mg formed in this country. There is ni person in this House more anxious than I am for the pa-sing of this pail of the measuie, as I think that. if sonic measure of the son were not adopted, we should soon see this country; as well as Ireland, completely inundated with Jesuits and other regulars, sent here from eves y ciuntry upon the Continent of Europe fr o m which they have been expelled. Now. my L ids, I 'Jail that I am Wily called upon to state what reaso it 1 have. for boa Hewing that this men are. when *domed, will =am plish the object which I j.rupose—(Hear. hear, hem). — I answer, that 1 am induced to hope fur these results, not only Irmo the crimple of all the rest of Europe, but ft OM the example of a particular part "(this country at a former period. It lam not mistakeu tit- despairs he • tween the Episcopalians•and the Members of the Kitt of Scotland weoe as loud and violent as those which at present exist between the Yu-test:ants-and Wanian Ca. 'holies in this ca entry. I kno.e that abroad the dif ference of Protestant and Roman Catholic is never heard of, and lam positive that I have stated what I can prove when I said that the condition of Scotland, be. fore the concession of civil privileges to the Episcopa lians, was pretty much the same as that of this country at present. To show this, I shall take the liberty of reading to the House a Petition which was presented to the Scotch Parliament of that time, and which was ,sent to me this morning. The Petition was presented at the time when the Parliament were on the eve of making the concession of civil privileges to the Episco. palian., and was, as their Lordships would see, the model of all those which had lately been presented to the House. And I cannot help here expressing a hope that the state of things which we have seen in Scotland for more than a century, may be an example of the beneficial consequen‘es a hich will Row in this country from the adoption of similar measures.—Cliere the Noble Duke read from the Petition an extract, which was to the following effect :—" To grant toleiation to that party (the Episcopalians), in the present circum stances of the Church and nation, must unavoidably shake the foundation of our present happy Constitution, introduce needless disquietu• e into the bieasts a his Majesty's most loyal subjects, open a door to uncurbed vice and Popery, and expose the nation to the danger of falling back into the calamities from which it had lately escaped by the DI VMS blessing. The Petitioners, therefore, earnestly prayed that no toleration might be otended to heretical epiiiions, which to do would be to establish iniquity by law, and to bring on those who should consent thereto such evils as the petitioners prayed that GOD might area t Irons all the Members of Pailiament.'3 Now, my Loads, I sincerely hope that ibis prophecy, which was nit fulfilled in the case of Scotland, will not be fulfilled. should this measure be 'adopted, with respect to Ireland. But, my Lords, I base other grounds for hoping that this measure will effect the purpose for which it is brought forward. I entertain no doubt that, alter this measure shall have been effected, the Roman Catholics will no longer exist as a separate iut-oest in the Stare, as they at present do. Prase nodoubt that they will cease to excite disunion in this or the other House of Parliament. Parliament will then, I hope, be disposed to look at their conduct, and every thing which respects that country, as they Would 1 se k up .n the poll. and the affairs of England and Scotland. I will say, however, that if I ant dis ranted in my hopes of tranquillity. alter a trial has given of the measure, I shall have no scruple in cemitag down to Parliament and laying before it the state of the case, and calling fur the necessary powers td enable the Government to hike the steps suited to the occasion. I shall do this in the same confidence that Parliament will support me that I feel in the present case —Meath My Lords, having now explained the . grounds which, in my opinion, have caPed fir the mea sure—the distracted state of Ireland-i--the inconveniences unending the continual agitation of the qttestion 7 -tht drfficulty.. nay, I will add, the impossibility, of finding any remedy except the one which has been ptoposed— the state of public opinion —the pretences, for I will call them so, which have been bra tight against the removal ' ,of she Catholic disabilities, founded upen the . Acts of the Revolution of 1688• N-and the auviiiousness of tiie pie sent tine for remedying the inconvenience wising from .the question. I will trouble your .Lordships.no terther, than to entreat you to consider . the, subject before you , with the coolness and repderetionit deserees(Heat). The Archbishop of CANTERBURY then rose and said--My Lords, tie into:4ll4lon of this _measure for gloating .concessions to. the Roman Catholics has. I re- , giet to sal, placed me in opposition to his Majesty's Government—a. Government conducted on principles ; ell which generally. I. prpetere. and . by perenna whom . I highly respect. Bat,. howeirse I stay regret beitig.Til [Opposition to his Majesty's Government, my duty tol 1 arts sneasits.r. lea to the Chyrsh was feat so sissent.ltad to • Cho* so whids 1 Applorsodlijuty of pnlititsal !tower the 11 4 4aiss me.o aims stash Ursjer dag • to the is.tete.t, of the Musa) otteastue of Concession; a..d I is no say that in 14e ebeervalons which have been made no. thing' appeats to Me takes place. nor in the measure itself has. ally thing beeis 'defekiped ealiiitated in les - •e 1) my appohensioos. I have Heard it said at ddreteut times in this Nos....that the principles of the Rouran Catho'nst have of late -years Undergone a mauled ehao s e ; but weir. my lords. that aigurnent will no longer - be insisted on when we have recently heard pet . sons of the highest rank and authority among threats°. lies of Ireland declare that, so fir from liming expe rienced any alteration..th it principles we e unchanged and unchangeable, and that they ci*taidered tbemselve• flow icl to act in .coosi-terrey with the principles 'pun winch they hold their Church to be founded. I have Also beard it stated in this H use that the i• fattener of t he Irish p•testhood over their people was much over rated;- and that, at all events. whatever t Science they possess is not of a temporal. but of a spiritual charade,. !But, my Lords. I appeal to your Lwdslops *nether thel buse of that spi it tut power invested in their hands has. made them,. in instance, within the recorlection of my one. darigetou. engines for the attainment of temporal powe. ? I have likewise heard it asserted in Ms H.Ano that, give the Catholics all that they demand. let us bestow upon them ootscession ea .the full extent of their wishes, and we shall itd ample securities in their gratitude,. There is an observation extant. — an °bier vation seconded by experience—that it is not very safe to Seen in the gratitude of great bodies of men. This observatioo has, My Lords, been recently verified by the conduct of the Roman Catholics of Ireland. With respect to the repeal of the penal laws, that I at once admit was denim fed by all the principles of justice when an imperious secesaity for continuing them no longer existed. I therefore speak witlsost le grad to these laws, as (do sot look for gratitude from their abolition. Dot when I see the elective fienchise —when I consider the purpose for which it was given. and the use that has Isere made of it—a use that has been stated to have rendered the present measure ne cessary--1 confess, my Lords, that I expect no grati . Mete from the Itoman Catholics for further coocesrions. When again I look to tt.e means that have been pro vided by the country for the caseation of the Catholic .priesthood, and the. liberal supplies called for by Go vernment and conceded for supporting that system of educati o n— a nd when I see the very men so educated ilwOrnoting an Association which has existed in defiance •.f Government. and winch has thrown t..oitempt upon Government. by setting the laws at defiance; and when I see them making, themselves tie organs of cosnmuni cation between it and their flocks, ;sod lending them wives to the exaction of taxes. and converting their place. of worship into places for holdisg.meerings for recoups purposes; when" see these things. I think.!. am justified in rleclarinp.that, under all the circum stances, there is no encouragement for the indulgence of sanguine expectation that the present measure will either be productive of tranquillity to Ireland, or secu rity to the Church. But. my Lords, we have been told. chat without incurring the danger of a civil war, we cannot adopt any other measure. On this point I do not feel myself competent to speak, coming, as the state ment does, from such high authority, and destitute as lam of the same degree of information. But when I consider the great sacrifices we are called upon to make to purchase what I cannot help thinking would be only. a temporary tranquillity. I am fearful to part with certain good for uncertain advantages. The measure .Will operate a total change upon the constitution of the chantey. I conceive the constitution of the country to bi essentially Protestant, and this measure will entirely alter its character. Ido not say that it will make it of a Popish character; but I say that the character of the constitution, if this measure be adopted. will be no lemon Protestant. I hope your Lordships will indulge Mme for a few minutes longer while I endeavour to show .the grounds on which I have formed this opinion. It cannot be unknowo to your Lordships. who are well read in the history of the country, that di-pules be term n the S3vereigne of this c..untry and the Pope, respecting the possession of ecclesiastical power, hive been of long continuance. Those disputes te rn early after the c..r.qiiest—l think. in the reign of Henry the Second, and were carried on with 'anion. access, awn ding to the vigour of the reigning Prince, nt the ambition of the ezi.ting Pope, sometimes the balance being in favour of the King. and sometimes in favour of the P pe. The contest was continued until the reign of Henry VIII. a monarch with whose c.a. meter I nothing.to do; and whether it was owing to the vigour of his mind, or to the violence of his pas sions, I do not pretend to say, but he succeeded in taking the yoke off the neck of the country. which yoke bat never since been replaced upon it. Oo the death of Henry VII. to the freedom of England from the spiri tual tyranny of Borne was added the istrodaction of the reformed religion, and when the people of the conoti y b. came acquainted with the pure Protestant religion, their attachment to it continued, and they opposed a successful resistance to all the attempts of Rome to regain he lost dominion. There is no oc casion to trouble your Lordships with a hasty recital 4 the troubles which arose out of the reign of the two &am tr, one 4 whom was a conce.led and the other an avowed Papist. I shall only observe, that notwith- At t ending the influence of the King, the people rose in defence of their religion; and those Acts were then made which, though it may be said were passed in moments of Irritation, which however has nothing to do with the matter, nor the allegations as to the plot of Titus aces, originated subsequent enactments more strongly ected to the attainment of the same object-46m m. city of the Protestant Church. It was• the first, act et those who planned the Revolution of 1688, to establish the Acts passed in the days of Charles 11. for the sector r glty of the Protestant religion in all its branches. They found ;nat, with the exception of the restrictions that regarded the Monarch, it was not properly established. The declarations of James the Second, pretended t.) be Iramrd in . favour of tbe Dissenter', were well known to be in favour of the Papists, and were of a character invalid and illegal., What did they do coder these 'circumitances a They made a law that no person pro fessing the Roman Catholic religion could be King of, !his country. and provided that the Sovereign of Ent land could not have a Boman Catholic for his Queen, Forther.they altered the oaths to be taken on coining t the clown, substituted (or the m the fortis that exists a by pr the present, in which the King s we ats th at be wi ll reg. , : laws of the comet, y 7 —that be will evcotejustic. and mercy according to thos e l aws ; and, thirdly (what , was-of equal importaace.with the provisions that pot .ended it,tlre opinion ot those who hauled theuith), tb. /re slnuld.majutain the *ore pr. fession of the (i.., 1 „ and.4 4 the Pfuilrgalaj, trligools nsestab.iJied by tie a... 4 1i f at i. b c . k . ) *ll .4c ti o , ! ' M e Eii!•eJ fro the a cosn of the Church, and the Church for the ',critic, of ie. g ion. a hichoriben it cea,es to pr• test thatOh inch. neitiNe s . Goo am stances be expected to preserve. Iw• old taa your Lordships attention to that p rt of the K •.a• so ..-4, allich hinds him to supi ott the pure p ofe,si n or th e G spel and the Protestant teligi.m. How, let me ii:t. is the Sovereign expected to sup, 0.1 it ? 1- it by p e a, %oat Aglaia No; Et_stusi t lb tiiiitiat -th v itailp the ass sir ince cif. his Sfinlir. f his teaponsibla a d, visas. It is in that way. 'air, that II eS. of t " ** is Under - stood to be sallied tai peiform b the *k gati"." .4 h is owls. &stony Lords, I toil put a cm e, a , es _ items ca.e, for divagation. S.r.piroae the Y... 0 ii.g i i 9 be .„,,,,, m aid bk Itus s idi i catholic ids iiers only— ok,, .oppo.e Phi. case, Ma Li rds. for the frrisit ,i Obis's:aim) —in inch circumstances he • Arnold bg perfectly incapable of fulfilling the obligation. ni idi .e h, because he would have no persout about i far caviling the ditties involved in theseobligations im feet.- As tar ai it goes, any adviser cf awl:roam. an, Ministei who cannot enter into the viewsokhe aa .h t or opintaiiing the pate rofesaion of the Golan an d 1 %. Pi (instant r. lidkas aft established by law—l say mon* Slinisiet can iiiist the King in ;bat pint if hi s d uty , ii i can advise him in any matter that relates to it. How,* me i. quite. dies the M ones ch govern deferent 01414 1 . .he Etnpiri ? Not by himself per:amity. but -thought* medium of his officers. In war his officers in she army and navy are his representatives tor aepporting sa d Prot. slant religion in rose important drpartmerrt.—... The Kong. ta ME Protestant Sovereign of tb s counny4 represented to foreign nations by his Seaver!,. for F 'feign Affairs; and bow could he appear as a Piet*. tent Sovereign to other nation. if the Foreign Secs —the officer whb represented bitit—eras a Roinancii . tholic? In the same manner, as regards the Secretary for the Coronies, the Sovereign. in his Coltinial posses. .ions, is represented by that Secretary and the &lariat Governor!, and it ii only through the exerchre of the 'Writ authority by th em that he is knoWn in - the Colo. nies ; and !assert, that, if the person sin holds Ibis authority in a Colony beast a Protestant, the parry/ the Empire over mid& he presides is deprived of *hi pre4enet of his Majesty, so far as consists with his' obligation to maintain the pure profession of dieGeipia. and the Protestant religion as by law establiffied. Th a 'ame argument' applies to the Secretary of State for the Home Dipaiament. In It - aril:Ott concerni of this Depute. merit the King is represented by his Secretary. A u g now, my Lords, allow me io go a f tile more into detail a itb respect to these several offices. With ie,:aid is tle army and navy I shall content ins self by observing, aii the. e is large ecclisiastical patronage attached to No digoitiecfor maintaining religion among the are --so object of the utmost importance to the coutite y. I .hi now advert trithe ogre of Secretary of St Ile for Emig. Affairs. One weal feature of the policy by which Oa country is distinguished no the Continent, is the sup port which it has always been noir to great se :he interest of the Protestants in &Brien! parts of Europe. That support has nor been confined to the Protestants in the latter States, bat has been emended' to the inhabitants of petty tertitoties, and to threes/to exiscscittired through Catholic countries. We have opposed the opposition of their Governments to the Protestant inhabitants of Catholic countries, and store conspla . nts of these people were beard through the FO. reign Secretary, as the representative of the Leg. I do not like to mention names, el,e I might refer to ate individual who illed the Foreign Department for many inpar% and who Z bad frequent opportunities of knowing terfered often on behalf of the Protestants of the Continent. Now, Ido not say that a Roman Catholic would not concern himself in similar cases of none. 'Wit but I think it fair to inquire if a P.o Mare community could repose trust its the . disposition of a Roman Catholic to relieve them ?—(Hearo.-- Mete is also a very large portion of his Majesty's sob jects residing upon the continent who naturally desire to be protected in their religious worship; and there ate also many Clergymen attached to congregations to meal on the continent. all of whom require and expect pro tection at the hands of their cutti.trl. I will net, however, pursue tAis branch of the subject any further, but leave it for the consideration of your Lordships. It is also, my . Lords, of vast importance that the Sus ;mufti for the Colonies should be well affected towards the Protestant Church. I may speak (tom (aperients if a Noble Lord whom 1 now see in his piece. and abo presided for many years over that d pertinent to the benefit of this country and with cridit anJ honour to himself—of whom, indeed. I may say. t h a t while Sling this arduous office be maintained a character which has never been exceeded. I had the honour of being in the confidence of that Noble Lord, and 4 being often estimated by him with reference to she 'concerns if his de, 'mint. and I speak from what I harm when I say that he di-charged his dude, with temperance and seal, with a firm desite for the main! Nuance of religion, with the most con ideate kindness towards the clergy, and with the 1110 t scrupulous cafe to prevent dissensions in the colonies il this kingdom. over otiose interests it was his destiny to preside. Hi conduct was, in fact, such as to produce towards bias in my mind a deep and sincere respect, which I shall preserve to my dying day. Now, I will ask this Noble Earl if he be not fully and entirely aware that no Roman Catholic Secretary. for the Colonies could have done fee the churcheiof those Colonies that which the Noble Earl was upon so many occasions enabled to do ? Nay, I will go farther. and contend that, if a Roman Catholic Secretary were desirous to do as much for the Cole- Dial Church as the Noble Earl had ever does, he would not have the power to carty his wishes • bus effect—that be could not, in shots, be as elective a Minister as one who was. Protestant—and that Meadd not effectually discharge his duty as th e representa ti ve o f the King. With respect, th en, to the power lodged hi the hands of the Co lonial Secretary, it is sufficing•.. fee my argument to state, that be has at his disposal ostensive ecclesiastic patrooage—that be mast base great inflame over the appointments of Bishops, Arch deacons, and Chaplains—and that, if all such appetite is lre-rat at his disposal, a great portion of sock peeronage mutt, unvestionably, remain in his basis. Brit., my Lords, this is not all. Tbe Colonial Seetetarl 'possess,' abw fete power over the comforts of the Cols eial Clergy. It has often happened, that in consequeiot ,inien 4 ' clibbensiHns oasis* in our Colonies, although tbS . Clergy have been in no way to blunt for such dissua sions, that they have been under the necessity of apply ins to the mother country to protect their inmate and to purges ve their rights. I assert, then, my Lordly that those interests and those rights would sot be ..ate in the hands of a Roman Catholic Colonial . Secretary of State; and I contend that, if the Cabala ' secretary of State be not aciaited hie Protests* fri• . it, be may poi,tessis:fluenee .to discourage almost to .: - ittugni-hing the Church of England in many .it IN' . lows, of (heat Braude.. My l a , li s ta, it is impossible, i conceive, he ail ',emits of a religious mind to leek i England wt. twat et.nsidering her to be, and to have mg toren, a chobeii stistiun eut in the h an ds iii Peon isocs for Carrying satigton to the uttermost ends of . a t...rth, and.tot 1 100141 0 14 Kb iriluefee o.er all. parts . Jae Itabitalle b,lol.e.l.lrislor the sa coin, and aiclJ Di a r s chit• . the ChtiYith of which areitioges, • 10ifiltihat Chl ch stank , Iptittsts of that C nsistedi itte trt concession ►tied -.. 0 !et s. has left MI he Scent eehension of injury I r, tar the apreisr to Opirsie the' . . . . , 61zriSiitsi sibz , etiel. Ism Afereael i email Ode .1 1144 4 eosogssalie4 lidelearr rij 4 . 9 l llc ' as:iiiy 4 bit faith re/ -is nn iefeVence al Vapittittem J dtt trt d, a.ti-tha atte, irtairtve with • copssidet a' in his han that 'his is ti( r tlie instill ill so owe but with re *A your LA &inpatient in I eikes try tense cretary nl Si Leland. I s my own of England it this measc I must also necessary ths lotion of the nature of the that count', carried, I wil tuition must I labour by the hope that the before she I I hope th those feature. the Church Establi.hed se:derai ion, an that county with ja.tice t)tanny ever went them I: from seript.i twin which % there as it I which I *oti this—that an that country. affording to according to respect, my I his Majesty's been satisfied think, very v the itinian something lik nsent under t then, that the tified in redo My Leuits. it Noble Duke a declare his her tying ii.to eft: of Jesuits into that (hire lan remain ae hitch book. Thus. the minor Jet the Hal no* J which you La Obis 1114 bt ) To that Bill I titht that, in 83 spirit unties cola., I have warmth. with and esclusivel the interests troub!e your amendment tc Bill he read a Right Revere nu-d cheers). The Archbi Sly Lords, I r Reverend Prel myself bound to the great as bled to eiseusi mi reconsiner hien passed b; into the Hotssi under the ausi bead of his M bation of h bee, my Lor to discharge Protestant Es thbrefore I co my sentiments Dearly and so' animosity that I know lei cool bow 1114 10 al posters of the netted by.the though painfu hay; felt that sate has been c milted themsel pitting to Os ti irteve.cably fit eon's fo whom two results. the &man Ca ticial scrawl land, having s that, if aticb be Prokstarite ssi gild contest teat it loegfar Ste at the sam have either of My . esi measoge. if gra pi fhb, sea?' 'far e i thenmelte, b o b do, wet hesitate ruction .4 it t hat hake right Vs I new bpapektiihi. Houses (IN li s en, and wht% h the eilirsidera ic thafto4 er g! aft.i art