Star. — London, England, 1829-04-04 00:00:00

tee ..yet• J. The term a allegiance" is one of civil import only, and means •a. faithful . Obermiett as all the civil duties owing by subject‘tothe•laws, and to that *mho. y t b r iikin .they • aro anveined. Nn I labia ofiks i h y te 4f t! sty Oa. their behalf,. that the NH* and Irish * ma il carhati6 aro is'leady tntake this we a ve pored it ender as t r ying cireumstaisces a t tistsaberrpottiori •of his. Majesty's , solojects. I tome licoougooaetkor prsiot. win' tree-to admit that 'Papal wis pa,bed'ta a great length, and that tickle siestiol 'venni prevailed to a great 'extent in these Vorionni but .Ideny that that user patios , der i Ted its anstMnrity. trolly the -goons of their religi•ns, or .the dis position tlf 'the Itearan `Catholics theostelees. or that tyranny was founded on thotharatter of the Catholic f oitoo.m its (aids. Thee are, in my mind, to be traced. to a base conspiracy of the Popes • and Illorsarchs.of Mose The separation of the eccteslastical Wont tpe . tsippor al tribunals.' the celibacy Of' the' Clergy, and Oliser ; points,of. disCieline.. were mote the acts of - the Monarchs of this country than of the Popes thaai•elees. Nut only had the people aid ''he Clergy an pert in those 'encroachments, but they bad 'e'er shown •ttemselves Veady, when called up , m, to come 'for ward and oppo them. I differ, from L nds whnthink that his- 'Moe should-have aoallthority on this question, because dam history of greet-importance, as it teaches •knose. ledge. .(The Royal Duke here referred to the conduct of ArchbiihopLeagtoo in support of his position h At the Bat -period. when -King John was disposed to submit tothe Holy See, that same champion of religion and isilependence. -well aware that it was a conspiracy legal tyranny on one side and of Papal tyranny es-as 1 , other, 'stressed at the altar his determination to appall ; 'and when be •was visited•with a Bill of-Suspensions what happened in this Popish town? I mean the - Popish sows et -which I speak (Oaf.td, we believe). All the bells-were meg in daision of the attempt. Neither to the statutes of mortal:it), and the penalties of pram wire, did the Catholics offer any resistance. Even Hens yVIII. found-peaceable and-quiet behaviour on the part of the Roman Catholics. Neither did-Elizabeth ever complain of their condom, but coetinued to trust thews Their attachment and loyalty to the Stuarts, even inda.the infliction of persecution, are mattes, of notoriety. Oa this point all I shall•say is this. and-I reason upon it as a political subject, that this country was at one time, Catholic, but that the people even at that time never confounded political with litigious sub mission. I feel, therefore, warranted; when I recollect bow much more the Roman Catholics r f the present day are than those of whom I have spokes, in contending that they equally recognize that distinction. -Having got so la. allow me to put it to -Noble Lords, taking the terms.ot the oath of allegiance the way in which bey understood It. is it.not rather.a spiritual than a pais tical submission? and if they concede this poiot.to me, in what situation will they find themselves? It I Ofb• demand any thing, my Lords, of the oath of supre, unary, it grants to the Crown full -and cimplete- pre dominaocy in all ecclesiastical affairs and the temporal government of the Church; but it roofers no spiritu ality ;and in these is contained nothing which-the Re seen Catholics tett any difficulty in conceding. .1 wish boduparties to recollect that the supremacy • atlongirqg to the Crown of Englandand the supremacy of the first Bishops of the Christian Church widely differs—(Hear, hea v ing' ). The one confers. ras-I have-already -said, power over all the ecclesiastical affairs and temporal government of -the.Cburch; 'and the other is strictly limited to inatteosof faith and doctrine, and can only be -exercised by ecclesiesties. The King of England assumes no spiritual attributes -to which the .Cathelice feel-bound to resist. In 4liem they tieback to the Pope ind-no other. The•eanis intoahich webave fallen an this sublet require that "I shotil4 obtrude on your Lord ships still Natter. When the Oath of Sweeney was first framed,- many timid and conscientious :persons ilniongst the Protestams felt *leaned and staggeted-- Marina] at *net they found iuthe,title of itself. tolia.titlithatibliptopoted to vest in the Croats:full sovereignty ever the State in its ecclesiastical affairs— a'dilewhith , edusitted •to be so 'dubious, 'that -five nearrafteiwards it pee rise to 'an explanation, Which to .be found in the 37th Article of our • religion, and whieb, with your •Lerdsbips' lean* l shall sow veadto you. The filth .Artieltis -as hollows—' Where ' we attribute to the King's Majesty the Chief -govern• anent, by which tides we understand th e Minds ammo slanderous folks to be offended, intim Out .to •ome- Princes the ministering eitherof Gun s ward or of • the- Sacraments, the which thieg the iiicauttioes also lately: set fortkby Elittabetkourma, do most nlainintise tify.i latit.thatonly prerogative ' -which melee to hest been.givenelarays to all gOdiy Princes in Holy Scrips tires by GOD Maned . ; that is, that they shoeldruleall states and degrees committed to their charge by Goa, whether they be ecclesiastical or temporal, and restrain with the civil sword the atibbotit end evil dom."— Iu arialysinrthis:passage I-may - bralloweittosity,.tirat , by itirogr Lordships-will-see that the Bing of Ettglasd could neither administer the °sacrament nor .con kr or• dination, aad that 'hese things, thenfoseeshich:the Ra ttan Catholics object to •recegoite as pertaining to the Crown, are really matters Which the Clown does, not anogate. But, .suppose the Amon Catholics were disposed to confer spiritital authority en tide - trough:in whet a perdloarnent would not the Crown be placed l The Crown claims sio such authority, and that;l tbidk, I have creamy proud to your Lordships.. The nest point mooted by certain pessons in opposition .to this measure was, •thet certain istinoziotro decilitres were prcliatald by Stationers of the airman Catholic chine.), and attend into ita disciplinearatleast. that they were not publicly disclaimed by competentuntherities. To this objecting the vet odds- we ropour to nib 'nano' for those hitherto required it' the very best - that could-be framed, buth.lot. throe who . alicarldtkose who administer it. I will contend that in electing massive* into the station of judges et ithe.meenirig loo sely ofindividuals, and attribtatin:Stotheinittutiies 'Which they theatielvei we act not fibetiliy. The Alight lbsinertadiketastswrillallow melons& them what is the state of the Church in thisoeuntriy Moreno changes - barn introduied inni its disdip* ? ?las nut the prescribed forms afthethrtriibeedieadinitiy departed • ftelappiiftia w ilt llaqt :tefineialt Air Atbonasian Creed? Are them not many clergymetrashostfaselo read that creed, -and: yet-T.4 iters . -tiviner -heart Of any ecclesiastical censure progunnesd opi'in tti Clailyeen foe sudi a •.departbie -from tthe Ofellsilbed form !rat 'the Literal? .411.. y Foot, sheridtive, .be alloweditoosay lbws this is a change ? • • Again; 'I .14411.8** di the rhactin, thei am irily priyared •tO give .g . p,o4l . tii deiLacatuin ideintainei 141 . 6418'h It kat*. 4446 JiLo:sia Air .be :had „itc cursed thiu imams :Am that teeing :men shall be Meg cliff; ebviess'or seat 4whish ,he so that hue` -he "titling in Kt amt- life • retorting' !to Ibis 14‘ atilt "thelight .ht Clibalt say til!ti 14Tel to this is, -that all -,the -iiiisiment4tors trim it %wre" •beeri.estiewrilly insieugg Voss over the semi it theie erorili, and to get rid of theni as r 1 as •h-siiii:laL—rileas, , ltiat 1. Dftbe .canons I That: S tutor "Clew -avostk. - genre of *hem, S believe, like the article% have been changed by that agency Time, width: Lewd lleitio says it is • tboiretittrit: veto, at ell:* *.I tuiertedtto &mi . 's% an orpiment foi l kb. gratembm to-others o(diat indulgence which ire eTaim a tor Massey - a; likyo' aptigi seining is a poor excuse on which to hang an accusation so heavy, and by which to - suppint a system that ought tut ro be iikswerfittsztuntioue a moistest longer than necebsary.' Certaitilyll'idmit that apprehensions of dan gers and difficulty as likely' to arise out of this mestere ate entertaioid by tway,•and I am not in'diffevent 'to them myself ;* but I feel them the Ins , becashe I .am contioted that real ChtistiAnity and. true telrgicto Avail be better served by theMeattare now proposed than'ty any other aarse that we - could pursue. Wit were put to my choice whether I should prefer the maimatnatace of laws which ion et disabilities to the exclusive enjoyment of immunities and privileges, .1 •shoeld•not hesitate a moment. My choice is made, for I 'so not one of those who'could look tin calmly and say that the bayonet is the best way of settling those things. I may hp told that it is no persecution to the Ronson Catholics, as they sire allowed to worship their Milt in according to the forms of their own reli gion, trrexc;uJe them from political power. lam not one of• those who will attempt to impose upon Noble 'Lords my own interpretation of the word id persecu tion." I aas quite willing to take the messing of that phrase'from that great investigator of the human un derstanding, Mr. Lotke. Locke says, a lf puoishtnent bevuoishment, we may , talk of fire and faggots ; , bot it is cocain that punishment is tralysand substantially such, though it be only what you in your clemency call moderate and convenient penalty." My Lords, I am no persecutor, though a warm Itiend of the Established Church. L" I cherish my country and vessetrate its institutions—, love religion, and hope to be saved by the mediation of the same 'Repent= to whom my fellow• Christians of another persuasion look ups* lum a firm' friend 'to the Established , Chtue h. But, teeing.threfitets *shit have so lone Rowed in 'the course of policy which has been •pursued rowards • the Roman Catholics Of this' country. and seeing the dangerwhichTetults from this condition of society , to the Church itself. I am disposed towvarl:mystlf of the opportunitrurbieb this measure offers of remedying these• evils and avestingthese dun:' gas. 1-cannot wail, like the tountrymno isr the kW* " Dam delltiatwasnle," but feel it my duty to rake advantage of the meats which are now presented of ensbling use to live in peon with my fellow:Objects, and of being united witbtbetel in the bonds of crvilliberty and religious Concord. A shall n-w, my Lorsis, ibsy a tear words upon the general nature of this Bill. 'The munificence of the bdon which it confers calls for the a arrnest expression of my yeti - rude, and the simplicity 'ldle measure, which deprives not the Roman Catholic of any advantage which he now enjoys, is c:slculaied to - confer security, not only upon the Established Church, but also upon every interest of the State. I have now, my L'irds, done my duty iii stating my 'Opinions Upon this 'measure, and giving it my support. t toot with confidence to the coneluSion, and when the 'ltnyll sanition shill s bi given to. the measure, I shill be'eriabled to say—" Now is the time whets the reel SitiOnshail Impatt its' benefits to pun Ireland—an 11111, real, and permanent--an union ihich until then will have only existed in name; bat which, when ac-, really elEtted, will bike the hopes and preyen of the people of that country fur the cOlilluoti twelfate•of thif Empire—an utiforn whieh - tvill consolidate the powers, insources, and'Councils of the country, and . lottoddee blessings of domestic peace and universatbappinese ?be j Ardthiellop OrCANTEROURYirsylebed. The LORI) CHANCEL) ORhere lefslbeilleMselik , sweldn., the House when Lord KENTON nme, and was about to address Obelibeetieldpe.—(Great4entaseek moductias et " Owlet r wad as Lord Chancellser amidst whiels)— Ined'HOLLANEtroer to order, aid moved Hut the tleasillei be heard—(Cheerlas, and Order, order). lewd HUI:I4A ED."- tir.Lords, I weer 'yet .knewat lestrist widels, , whess. the Lecd Lltanceller left the Wallach wedises tbalAis was oat beard.—(Great cheerios and mud eau. fake in the House, and 'easteldereLle emitement holew the bar near the Thoseeeoudgenesalranteeir tbelr•landsbips). -Lord-VAANIIA4I adulthood that, is nrsibury useuthe Lord Osenceller ought to ham presedsace; but he put it to the Loud! Chancellor himseW to say, whether, when a personal attack was niedoupinst a'Neble Lail, be wu not at Shorty to be heard? Lord ROSSLYN considered that the Noble Lestiello "eh* _ _ lasi ditinet-speak to the alethishaand had se tight nalmiseenpi the Nobk ,Lord— r (Cbeers). Lord' FARNHAM did not interrupt any Noble Lord, but aim. ply - rose to order--(Cries of Order, and mock callosled). The Marvels MLA MSDOWN minsidered shot she'Nehie Lent had as sight eo. ertale.—(Order I and eenfosiets). After which The Loiustauescuene. antiord Reasseaut both rom—(Hem the confusion increased tenfold, and the calls of m Onto: !" were isore vehemenrthen ever, mingled with repeated calls foe the Lord Chinediee eo address the Hoeft). Lord HOLLAND, whose voice towered above -the storm • et ceofesima, now obtained.a nseeneot's hearing. and-succeeded in Is. lag the attention of their Lordships. He said that the modem before, the *nee was, whether the 'Lord Chancellor bcheanf ? and the motion was to be poi ta= the Wooleaek,to tbat diem, when .Lord-UlNVON.rose v and wished to know whether theindi. eldest to whose alludes bad been made by the Royal Duke who had just sat down should be heard or not? If the House was against him, he should certainly never feel it hiseloty to-make an explanation .again. The 'Noble Lord then explained 'boot the publication which-lead been referred-to by , the Doke etiosees. The Duke of SUSSEX was-mtry to have-stated say thing that was painful to the feelings of any individual. He retrasted what he bad said if that was °Rendes, and was sorry for it. The LORD CHANCELLOR rose to offer the ex. planation which the Noble and Learned Lind late on the Woolsack (LordEldoo) required some nights since. It - was natural that as a Minister of the Crown be ibodid explain the gioatod,.. on which be recommended the adoption of this measure to his Majesty. He agreed in what had been repeatedly slid during the debaxs on piesenting Petitions to the House, that this was 6ne of the most important questioiss that had ever been agitated in that Hoes.... and, if after.the re conimendat ion of the . Crowo—iif after. its having pas , ed in the other !Howe, =by 'so overwhelming and cones mending -a , majority of the Repreientstaves df the , nation, it should; by • ady fatality, not piss in their Lordship? House it would be impossible for the stoutes t . hearts to contem plate" bei *suit without pain and regret. If it &wild pass into a' law, be (the 'Lord Chemins/41ot one, 'did not apprehend but t h at- it would be productive of .the most [avowable conseqUeoces.-- The .Nobloaadisemaailamd at the table (Load Skims), he called him Nuble Lord, since be (Lord Eldon)woold not - 2110W hirtriacilittnifriend(Laughter). The Noble and ,Learned *Loa bid icalled on him (the Lord Chan .. cello') a few nights ago to vindicate his consistency, he (thirtordiChatesellor)ocauptedtbecbtillienge, and would now support .his consistency. When he had been a %ember 4 1 the - other lieitse:he stated his opinion Whim* reoenve.on.thisviestion, *salvo in %the last Session Ili this House. On erbiebeccasinai he wised in terms on J.:elicit, ton explicit -to be misooderstood, that he Aftinild 'feel `bound - iv grain concession to the Cads°. it *he could do so tonsi.tently With the .secuiky of the..Piosestiot ,Evablialsment, and f the Empire .z..tihres, He area *bin won.ideved by many opponwa . totheireireirre, us wet sufficieritly treaseen tont in .the micas he bad taken as going tot) far. lie was re - p'sesenistive for the laiiirreraity of Cambridge when ;la aid-broached their iesitiatessa, and aceesal of dais Maw Constituents complained of his taking too Wawa a view lifitheqsamioh. Thy .ebersighe that -polished . power 'ilihnidlos *Wm rot*, Gasikelies onto imietrelo. He wnstbargea iridshaeleg krone the mood 04th With he had tikes whets oppoissedLordsamocellos s yea 'ibm Oath was 44 to-camel tholCisit truly." He-bed daily onosideted the-tenor of this Oath, mod the resit) bra , his grin eonvietioa,. that , igloos hi. hooteden -duty to recommotot the present- imams, .to •tbe Throne •as the hest mode to pronsotothe stshility-of the moire. He fekpratefut to hloMappsty fur the manyheaofits rebid centetted eat:es, And. lie fat &mkt in tint y to‘giso hiai the sdriee which he • IsAd :giros. The ith.ividaal who bad btought this Charge-4'4*km Ilion (84-C. Vireibetell) had in the saint bitt.th stased l thAt it wAuld•cilasides the Catholic question without any sele.enee .t all to dui state of Ireland--(Hear. heal). Tito •Nobie wed Leaned Lord .= the table bad Amused his Majesty'. Ministers ofaegligeoce in tbwezetation of the laws is lielaad; that Nab!, and‘Loassed Lord was. himself Ins upwards of '25 years ooe of the responsible &dealers .ot the Crown, chitin which, period his satiation was •dt tette& to the stage of Ireland. Yet that Noble LurJ, wt* was salon of expedients inoppesiog tbib ml4urr► Rees bib consent to the hoe of.polcy -that se'. pursued towards Ireland. Thus the insubordinate its our that coontrpshould be attributed to the Noble and. Learoe4 Lord and his colleagues.. arid not to the present Adosi ninsation—(Cheers.) A •Nable Duke , (Richmond) had , allnisd to the change •waich *took place in his (tbi , Lord Chancellor%) sentiments, since be 'left' these att HAM It 'his centitnenti :had • tharre.l,. it 'WM 'be. 'dais* of a thane of 'situation-it was - Unease : he bad 1 boner Means of iaturisatioro.. Hailed -Ward •it said that tvonqoillity ...should be restored in =lrelaad by force-411*th; titatltieversisteot Ihrehi remit - tolet hii war. He.would ask Abase 4ho recoulaselate'd such a course to look at the evidence of histiirs—to topsider disastrous' (Oen of•the rebellion tif 1798. The aroussent the Milliner if the 'Crown 'had decided.% patting it down, he felt bound to resort 'to the' ateasuie At the 'Union to prevent a 'miller recurrence. The Romeo Onholies otslreland, io.their assist, to recover s' lull - participation of civil rights, weretteo well virganited, l no well acquainted Irons 'taken - With the evils - that Would result from any rittithipt to offer resistance to the laws. They well knew that they •could net evade the punishment ottemaisat en such conduct. lie could assure tliiirLordships,' from all the information ilhich he was able to collect on the affairs of Iceland, that if v‘neassious were ern nada to We:Roman Catholics, the:Protestants• would bs shortly tataduiatiod • 'Catholic 'ditttlets.-Int by infer' Or 'violence °nil* part of the Cathribcs, but . they would' leave We country by ..demote. Wit respect to'the chem. 4(Govermosen having been ialuenced in the adoption of ibis measure by intimidation, he despised% 'The duty of the Go-' vetialuellt ef "enligb.tensd Pdoplevras. whin 'danger threatesed, - to - avail themselves of 'the'best Means of averting it. If it-Cuold.not be averted 'by commission to the Roman Catholic...they -shook' 'resort or bum. In his opinion 'conces4oa was the best' means.— The course hmet6fore. ipsirsned thirards:lseland rem; dared this Measure 'the only efficient wiemis could be. now Adopted 'to reties* Arcupdllity no • that Colllnteje for lit* :Lagislature edohl Ilan :consider any important meanie mpacting It - silt/tont :mixing up the CathOlic 13ttestioo, on account at the dividen math of bells.. - Hommief Parliament and of ti.e Cr. blues, in whir* -SUM of 'disunion they had Web these twenty years. A Right Reverend - Prelite'hat stated 'lasi night, 'that this 'missal* would nut ac• complish this object that tleelmid wuald be Mee disturbed and agitated after the graOting ef . .-contestion chid befclre. :He (titr i baßtfrantellor ) *mild adt Whar i wap it thoz i r d eittadasiilwirrifailm'being-canied intr. effeetiial He-would answer, it w as. a •Cabinet divided on the Catholic apontion. Government were ui svillieg to wet with severity' tovituds.them. Let -their Lordships do justice by passing this measure, by which Government vrotthlbe united.ind thereby be -AM. by the authority of the laws ta procure tranquillity in that coon try.HisLoidship took so-elaborate review of the Consti onion of 1688, and maintained that :he prewar mono'. traria tin respect.a 'violation cif it, as it 'only, reqnired that the. King and Queen' should' be Protestants, and a. t that Catholics should be excluded from.political power; for Roman Catholics-sat in both Houses of Parliament for a coaturrafter thicßevolutioo--nouther Oaths being required of tbern'tflan the oaths 'of 'supremacy, 'which Catbulics did nit decline to take in those dart: Contended that the Acts .passed '1791 and 'I79S, re‘ pealing imam of the. pawl ;laws against-Catholics, when Lord'Ehfoobadbeen Attorney•Oenetal, and ansittins I preparing them, went, in' piinciple, ins far inwirlation o the Conarnation as the present measure.; but, above all. the Actof.lBl7, which gave admissibility to the Homes Catholics to the higbed offices in the Army and Naep. when Lord Eldon was a Cabinet Minister, was, 'acterd nig to the assertions of Lord Eldon himself, a direct violation of the Constitution. In answer to those alio stated that the same cause existed last year as this year, be would lay that be (the Lord Chancellor) had pinse tined his studies and advanced in 'knowledge. As to the securities, he saw sufficient in' the 'Disfrancliwment Bull, which would destroy the infuenee 'of Priests at elections, end cause property to , be fel. ly repretestred. He thought it much better that the to nultuaty an] discontented spirit, which had agitated 'lreland, shiould be admitted into Par Hanle .t,where it could be grapped with, thematic)* it to spread dirseolon abroad. ?heats* arguments which were now advanced. against the a.- mission of Catholics into Parliament, acre appli d against the admission of Scotch Members into the British Parliament at the period of the iUnion •with Scotland; yet, 'who could 'say that the 'Scottish Mem bers bad ever 'united to oppose the interests of 'the Church Estsblishaant? The Noble and Learned Lnrd ban replied to the objections offered-to Abe present urea sure, as the grottlids of 'it being a violation of the Act Of Abe Ulion with Scotland; Indult dowiihMidst loud cheeses The Earl of FALMOUTH thought it would ill be tense him to attempt any extended reply to the able and elaborate arguments of the Noble sari L-atned Lord who had just addressed' the House; but the.e were one or - two arguments the Noble Lord had used which he coal.' not allow to pass unnoticed. although, if he etas inclined, he could 'End an easy answerto every word the Learned Lord had uttered. He could not for his part comprehend the feeling of those oho thought that with those measures the Church Establishment in Ireland could exist in the ptesence of • the Catholic, or bow it could be supposed that the concession of the claims of the Catholics would purchase tranquillity. In his opiniowthe plea vras fallacious, and they sem sitter providing the Catholics with the - meant - of pro• secuting successfully all their designs fir obtaining what remained behind. They knew that the Catholics tormedithree parts ot the whole population of beland ; and if it was admitted by the defenders of this Bell that they prupitised to give the possessions of the Chuich of lydland to the Catholics, he could understand them; tea it snilibt be held to be as just to make Ireland Ca- I italic as u would be so bora:Wand Preibytoriao os . - . .. . . - "7- . En land Pre testant. If tli,v pro'e.sed liitteatiTifr than, • *ltlintireht yarn* "thipieett:ht-lie tehre&thetrwitiths. Hfricivetrthe etvartient - Irelatidt • lebad•prodririd niltry . 7grear nten-ra.iny men 'Aida giished by ttieli•iiirf and •their wisdom, and he eras net disposed itrailrandun the,passes.ions et that Charth to •those Mho inefesited .the Catholic - religion. The Noble and Learge'j 'Lad had retettaid 'to the'Settle turtle of 16•13; and, like many Other., he had at tsiteptird•O throat ridissieMplist the motet* ' , delisted thatlilestUntent. Nam. 'he erei•ht t lisia:* read to thrir t brod.bipse passage from a speeek of Se NObleand - LearseteLord, delivered in that Mote oil twiner °cession, -arid As wi4ald 'ask thorn nod the Nnble 'Lind •to monde 'the stmeenents contained itt th4t synth •liith the *rowers(' they bad beard no - tbAt eetnior. The passage we. this—a My Loris, allow ale to call to , your reeollecdon that with wbkb your Lordships must all be familiar —1 mesa die-declaradon amide uy -king •Wilissoa haute bit eadtarkation lion Holland. Issaltat st., citreous,- tbe laws moron.' the Catbulks. by wilds they weressu clothed from all Ake% and the pruvinens of the Tom set, anti .toed its detail. It I. declared 'bat an atioinpt bad boo m& 40 'tads Ihow laws. he dut.st Now consogoencra at ettlib as attempt on Erste ibed; and W UYam 4irciates that- eibit great object-toe Witifil Me was About to corm so this couotry was to condras sad endow die- laws,. &specially 'bare tut the eaciu.asa of the -C•abolks and the 'nett Act ; amid oberrlty to ettabliab civil liberty, and same tbs. Protestaut rtrbsioa. •Ow Ms , Ismael in Oda easetry, be era aliresaal by the Huesca qui Lords and Cootososso wkb rafaceaso W the Illitat411•11 Vibich it mold be espeJieot to Fame; mod a Coureutiess -was. beid, is which be repe.ieJ the deolaratios time he. before mode. .Tiie laws the* prwprird voilesareot su soler.ible iteigoesiosi. •aoil ea the roam of that disease's. dean is Seikirllt to Amor , the the laws towbish I Awl; wee' brhl t,t be• vtiaisa, h of. the C.asaketiam. • kill obey 11 1 41 ft imperfectly. fraawd. Akhomsh the lioesa Catheiles were -es. CllhkohJruot Ves.metw e sad moos sifts. they were set-emehmled him the* Unmet. It Weems s cematy, therefore, to apply Ms defect. Then caws she ihtluf Highs. referring to the Deelarasieet stales %Vasa, and doelaries, that. frees 41144.perled the Cases of //Boland geoid bollworm ally by a Pnxestass; awl that if-the liumareit became a Catholic...he Aerial forfeit hie . It was evident. therefore, that it was at this period. as sty tott Learned Mood awortod. that the Pretests's Gkeittaiseet was Ater absolutely e.tablialted It is 4/11, t►at the Protestant Church was - • - • - - - establisimmi at the Reformative, ami that it was to a cettaiw ---- eoneeeted with the State; hat titers never kezistati a aetatplete sad. perfem tasks • between the Protestant Chttreit sed tM state snail the. Reselatiem." This •vsas se iessmee of woe et these re- manes chasers el opinion whichtmesisair hewn so commoso He should act, however, parses diet subject loather, but obesely remark, that the. Noble asd learned Lead had followed the mine Bourse-as the Noble Duke, and vindicated his thaw nitpicks on early the sanse.greends. As to the litiliterlf be looked topes itss Ms death Wdiffillt of the PrIXOSSI9O Canteens. .W Mebane way honked at it. whether is a 4009409 It a poikleal view, I. was eatilfted that , tech nest be the reask. Consistency had 'aces of late madat a subject of tidienie,end a Noble Lord hatines mid that noadbitroose so it fettered she ouiderstanling ; bet he was oat yet ashamed so avow that• he was deteresined.to proserve his consim tiny laoppasitig *SAS, which -he viand whit numb dean act-any none -seer isteedissed Into -the Rom tei. the seine object. -Cemtisteacy. he nen tell their Lordships, formed me of the %brightest peas is a wads character. He did mermen thaecom simony which had obstinacy forks base; but a tionsistesty at ones anderotetted determined. If the Noble Duke thee& that. this was soca jest newest Jon let bins sake care that he did not lei. low the example- of some of those politician who kited theseenes •deldiesoder the. very nobbles -that they theonsehres hall raised, • androrbo•wereobliged so nutter all sorts of expeneamet to-saes shesteaftes.feentoloonieg—{Hoar). There were other pens I. tie Net Sarre eperoh.vabich ought hays jvadlind him le making ne•sr twonsesvatieas tinker ; and especielly there was intro. mark lotthat.blaide.Eares epoch. which he (Lard F.) amid net onifer• lapin by emoseive4.2ll.. Noble Bari had sot only tidisoled she -en • teary o.:shose who thought it rieht• colt* imminent, Imlndorldthc • Noble , Lent an the cross Monet that they-weft net annum the -Waits of. the satin it was not bar. him (Len :Natemon) lonian the -None Loafs es the gross beach tansuelcoshargras.thaia • bur cannily. front die manes; ol Ms Noble ifarro sperch e lsondheme ale si led to think that the Yobbo -sheonstot - the Noble •Lords On the cress bench being e.oliedton- wenn she Admonistraiin of the cormay, was gong to V0011099“.90 be. Prime •bliadoter. lie (Lan Fainimoth) feb. as 909000,01 anynao that hirwas not forwarding his ewe latent, ie sticitaag as Indy so • this euesistettcy. and be asperiented mock Winona is Innen* feelinesiasernd by the astern,* changes shot bad Luny takes pine; bet, without treablisg their Loollakops as be orliarbiarows sessatises west.• all that •he wend -clan se ttbela leads sheen • be, some lisle respect tram those "Phenyl* kis eenain . repast ler • nom who had swage. rasugh so. maintain noir/nest spioiams, nen though the shafts of ridisahrsiosold -be inners sot.eganuit them Amid . all thetas amps, it was- ease .nnesistion to bins to reSect, • that she. Noble and Learned •Lasal at the tibia (Lora •Bldse) was • settles a far •betver ensipir. see m of. that • Nene asod Loused Lord's life had bow marked by any chasten; twin mark tinge front danger so tram/ail. a ir s4pmei• uppsession 90 possperky—frons• sons to • calsnatven emineallehmtinse.shoNoblend Learned -but bad himself tor. Maisnonelsoprot *every Mktg- that lanossidered to bremeatial fte.rboopebilogeotit , and when his weer -.lnn be • send; he was lairothat his memory weakish/ deservedly held dear; broil who Illiintbeirseentrpaanithat as lioneureof his • tooth •woold sot hoesselledentra by the Mowers of theteasis tit shown, hadvbano at 4/isest4oo. -Wish weeper Anna prsernt Govennisentht. mould be e La be upon himself to say whether it was so eapediemprose isitsher bit •Will amatiotowsittawy Govelosmota ; but this erns* he amid say—that it was a divided Governmest. and Mho m e w Deice tin , Itimseit ,great 'measure asilemod the su il. of s bay tig otivided •Gewereeseat, whin he • sow •tellt the onetry 'sae liwentodisMe. He esuld pot forget (Gen Ink; that msoshoold nertfwget .it I) thobrilliast somies.:o3be Noble ihairOs Militirraemer, hot heloisped last share wend be nein In kis civil career to place thew maks in the gods.- Mischa - tem tended wasyshat the !serergiee W a Prate seas Georroaseot never been fairly put forth ; on this subject let them stemember whet • Noble , and ILearesd• Ind (Plesbett)• hod • himself stated. That Noble and Learned Lord bad said, that what he hen Oise bojeetatid. doormiestion for Mtn Vas, not to order. best M obey. What also had bensokreit thossive plat by the the 'Nene Mara (Aoglesey).mhosedisatissal from his high•olice tentained as enigma-0n casesdnins; what be hadsaid was. that be ebony he ready to Obey any orders-Mat were - nit to lain Ulnae these circusstasees, be•seposteti that the;Proteet am eases - had sot been fairly dealt with. Bee world tbe•Noide Dokesestend. iiiatneey• Mg this, be• ( Len Pansath) wasised , the matter tocometo blows? He- said that At anted do such dint. He wasted as civil war to take place; but what they had wanted was, a need, naked, ProlastasuGsWorantai at born. sad a l i tmenallt Lord. Lietatmoant mid a Programa fiftretary I. Ireland ; and he would bekilj' ask whether thew dismantle** would has. base so serious, and who. Simile Catholic A e• slain wend nor dared to bir so peresommy, if this aperient had Imo tried? - But still. is was said on needier barn. there would have misted the insuperable evil of a-divided Gontsment. He did not onetly toodetwaed win it wee that they found task witivia these who opposed she presets inemen.... it war tree that the *risen tif that niesnerehtead se yield their .*Lam lathe ether aide ;:hint this Is moaner tionber dlie oetosed to yield their opinion - to the nymment et the 019119409.9. 01 that on• that point they were nema(livar, hear. esti a -laugh) Nor his own part. he need not miderstand the Webb Duke% reasoning.-the Noble Dube tame dome to reeihroonvetish a 11W, .which be said shield pone .setientery to all, and =ones id be of such a nature as eves to satisfy the cesmiene of deal& Rev. Bench dl Bishops; bet he (Lard Faimeath)wand Mit•the Right Rev. Busch, snot ans. and the weary. to look at Estill which was before this, wel to say whether it stessined seeltmeto tide as they had togoned, or rather. whether it was istnedirt had not ever been dines of nos by the most onngebtotenmecio pater. He thought East tin might he shows petty sanfastonly, and he treated that whet the INS prime Cowmittbs it wield Mt Mood out to bs the rank lbetmose that there •warsßlly Cabello Wenn admissed hootheasibir Hoese(andio= moneybag sepposities.neydbmil moolitet what theriolde Wined ea the peen= Sightthat What there was a dint Nadi mode on the Bembildmi Chink ha the Has.. of CaMmuilia, sne.ty. nine Sooners voted Itstaner).-in that ease Owe would be log limbers soppretleettity attack en the ProtestenrChorta ; tied be begged to ask, wonting that be • formidable thing so soyill. ewer of the Crews ? Now be would suppose mamba ease Jo the case of a totter King of this coney (though frees seek & nyult this he was sere that they were weirs (or some time at hest). bet in the case of a loom •Kieg. it might she hit 1114esty *sold be surniooded by row Janata rkey sal tbst that time be might have a Kano Catholic Premier. and Roman Catholic Secretaries of States the amoral el this would be, that they would advise the King tr=ressiddam able eddidne to the Peerage of the montry. and the sward is. sole rot* this predounimace is favour of the Catholics wand be to place the March and atentry in coosiderable danger. The Noble Doke might, perhaps, say that all this was a shimmy ebeary, and he worthy to be awarded to • berme, in the evat of aliek a revolt taking place in the teeny. ;be whale Prianseast Warn the Baapire would risen* mon foe the puma el ends; earn , - ~__j_.,_...i_.:.. 4 1 ;