Star. — London, England, 1830-11-16 00:00:00

I 1 ~ THE CIVIL LIST. lard saitt- \that the people of Scotland were not desirous of re. • tohn fit the mode of elections, and that they were opposed to voting by ballot. When the hon. member made the assertion, he might perhaps speak the sentiments of the thirty or forty individuals who returned him "fol. thtecity of Edinburgh ; but he (Mr. Hume) would very much what the hon. gentleman would agree to have that point decided by in Scotland, and he would soon find, that if voting by ballot had been introduced into that country, he would have been tha,last parson whom the people'of Edinburgh would have returned to represent them in 0! , parliament; and he hoped that the peoplewould scan have that opportunity. • • Mr. DUNDAS remarked that the opposite benches were generally vier ignorant of the statements they advanced, and he thought it ad. • violable that the hon. member for Middlesex would be better informed on points before he brought them forirard in the house. The honour .tible member then explained in detail the mode of election, to prove that although only the delegates voted, that in point of fact the elections were • really popular elections. Sir JAMES GRAHAM alluded 'to the charge of general ignorance that had fallen from the Honourable Member on the other side, and ex pressed an opinion that the Honourable Member himself had merited a portion of his own imputation. The last time that the people of Sot. land had an opportunity of expressing their public opinion on the sob. jet.: was in 1828, when in one district not less than 70,088 bonus. holders had petitioned against the mode of election. He (Sir Jams Graham) was confident that the Hon. Member would not find Me persons in Scotland who were satisfied with the present mode of election. Mr. KENNEDY said that the hon. member for Edinburgh hod raid that his election was popular because the Xi who returned the mem. her were elected from the people : but how were they elected P Of the 33, seventeen are selt.elected, so that, therefore, the hon. tassobsr's reasoning fell to the ground. Mr. DUNDAS replied that his reasoning stood as firm as ever. Mr. HUME said that nineteen out of the thirty-three were self. elected, and it was true that fourteen were elected by leet, but they would have no weight against the majority of nineteen—so that the • people of Edinburgh had, in fact, no more voice in the return of the Hon. Member than the people of Japan. (A laugh.) A Message was brought up from the Lords, requesting copies of Its. ports of Committees, and the evidence taken before that House on the -tate of the poor in Ireland, on the tobacco trade, and on the coal trade. —The copies were ordered to be transmitted. PETITION AGAINST THE "MSlllOlOl' TN! WZSIDiII TOR DIIXIDZI. Mr. STEWART WORTLEY moved that the petition ageing his return, which stood for the 9d day of December, should be postponed, tin account of the great distance from whence he bad to bring his sal. fence, of which he had a great deal to produce. He assigned as • reason for his making the request, that he had been told no petition wee ro be preferred ; and he had been thus thrown off his guard, and hod been taken by surprise. Sir C. FORBES opposed the motion of the honourable member, sod said that no evidence peculiarly necessary for the merits of the ease lay even,within the compassof a nutshell. There were five im Dundee, St. Andrews, Forfar, and Cupar, these burghs inil&enrt the casting votes In elections ; but it so happened that at present the burgh of Dundee was disfranchised by an interdict of the Court of Ban sion. The burgh of Forfar had the casting vote in this foetuses; hot as there were only four burghs instead of Ave to vote, the gondol was, • whether anything like a casting vote could exist? Mr. RIDLEY proposed that all the election petitions should lie over till after the Christmas holidays. • Colonel FreousoN, Mr. C. W. Wren, and Mr. Pitutut, opposed the postponement. Mr. STEWART WORTLEY replied, and strangers were ordered to withdraw. The motion was afterwards withdrawn without a division. Vans IN SURREY. On the motion being put from the Chair, that the house do take into consideration the Civil List, Mr. G. H. SUMNER begged leave to ask the Hoc. Secretary for the Home Department if it was hie intention to strengthen the power of the magistrates, to call out an extra constabulary force in the counties where the outrages were being committed Sir R. PEEL said that he spent four or five hours every day en deavouring to discover the perpetrators of these diabolical outrages, and it was his opinion that military, or calling out the yeomanry, would not be effective ; nothing appeared to hint to be capable to com prehend the outrages but a vigilantloal force. But be should be happy to hear any suggestions on the matter; no expense ought to be spared • to bring the perpetrators to justice. He t that associations formed in the neighbourhood would be the mat e ffectual means of preserving the property. Mr. DENISON lamented the existence of what the hon. secretary had truly designated abominable outrages. He had been through the counties where they did exist, and he could assure the house that there was nothing like disloyalty among the people; they were dissatisfied with his Majesty's ministers. and they were disappointed and dissatisfied with the speech which the ministers had put into the mouth of his Majesty, and with the speech that had been made by the Duke of Wel lington elsewhere. The people wanted retrenchment, and their dissatis faction has been increased by what has been doing in the civil list. Re would recommend ministers, that when they put down the spirit of out. rage among the people, that they should remove the cause by retrenching. Lot them take off the oppressive taxes on industry and landlords, that they might be enabled to lower their rents to the farmers, who would then be enabled to increase the wages of their labourers. Mr. HUME read a series of resolutions passed at a Meeting in Mid dlesex, the purport of which was, that the want of reform was the cause of all the dissatisfaction that existed. This was cot the voice of one parish, but the testimony of every parish in Middlesex. He en treated the Ministers, if they would spare the lives of his Majesty's sub jects, that they would meet the wishes of the people upon this point. The present Ministers were the cause of all the evils that existed, and one salutary act at their hands, by altering their conduct, would do more towards restoring tranquillity than any net of Parliament for the sup pression of the incendiaries that could be introduced into the houses Sir R. PEEL replied with great warmth. He did not believe that the hon member for Middlesex could mean what he said, that his Ma jesty's ministers were the cause of the abominable outrages. Was it wise of the hon. gentleman to make such an speedos, and to mix up the two questions together, of the outrages with the dissatisfaction of the people ? The lion secretary concluded with stating that magistrates bad sufficient power to call out an extra constabulary force. Mr. lIUME wished to know what part of his speech had caused so much irritation in the hon. secretary ? Sir R. PEEL replied that the hon. gentleman had said that so lug as ministers acted as they were doing, that no act of Parliament would be of any avail to put down the outrages. Mr. HUE denied that he used such an expression, or an expression capable of such construction be had said that no act of parliament would be so salutary as the alteration of the conduct of ministers. Sir R. PEEL thought the observation wu very ill timed. Mt. G. H. SUMNER did not think that the people were at all im pressed with the causes that had been assigned by the hon. member for Al iddlesex. He had had no idea of provoking any discussion when be put the question to the hon. secretary, whether or not he meant to arm tire magistrates with more power ? Sir R. PEEL said. it was proper that the law on this point should be understood. The hon. secretary then read an extract from the act of parliament, which, in case of fire, riot, or felony being committed, or about to be committed, empowered any two magistrates to call outa number of constabulary force, and to keep them on duty for any length of time, for which the constables were secured an allowance at the ex pense of the county for their services. The House then went into Committee. ' Sir HENRY PARNELL said that he rose to propose as an amend. to the resolution of Friday night, that a Sekct Committee be ap., pointed, for the purpose of examining into the details of the Civil List, which that House had been called upon to vote to his Majsety ; for he thought that If ever a tion was brought forward by the Minister' of the Crown which adled for investigation, it was that which bad been made by the Chancellor of the Exchequer on the present occasion. The statement of the Right Honourable Gentleman was windy unintelligible; for although the account said that , with reference to the Civil List of 1820, a saving of 85,0001. bed been effected, he (Sir Hence Parnell) could not, with all the attention he had paid the subject, discover how that saving was made, nor how so un- founded a saving as 180,0001. had been effected. The amounts had increased In complexity by the introduction of a elmsifica tion, which rendered it utterly impossible to Wad how any sating what. ever had been made. Instea d of 85,0001. all the saying that he could discover did not amount to more than 27,0001; although every possible pains had been taken to give the appearance of saving, when, in fact, little or none bad been eatted.The amount of pensions contained in the old Civil List was 95,0001 ; but although the present arrangement was somewhat leas, it should be recollected that by the transfers that were made, a sum of 21,0001. would be saddled upon another fund. (Hear, hear.) There were also ineluded a sum of 40,0001. for the oillee; that might become vacant, and 38,0001 for the reduction of pensions I so that when these deductions were made from the 1110,0001 the saving would become manifest. There were, be sides theme, a great variety of errors in the statement, which furnished ample ground for the inquiry. The 150,0001. reserved for comiagencles had no reference whatever to the Civil List ; and be thought that with such facts apparent on the face of the amounts, it was a strong measure indeed to call upon the house to vote any such sum of the public money as 970,0001. Ile wished it to be understood that , the object of his motion was not to deprive the Crown of that which ' was necessary for the maintenance of its comfort sad digni , but to prevent the public money from being disposed o f impro y (hear} 4 Out of the ten claws into which the civil list was di only three related to the public or private expenditure of the king. e amount applicable to his majesty was 400.0001. the ether 480,0001, befog la. waded so meet demands of a public nature, pith which the monarch had nothing to do; and the question was, whether the representatives of the people, with Immix, fresh es dui, lips, would vote away in large a stun witliont fall and ample mquiry (bear, host) P His modest could net, be thoult . , be resisted. Under the clams of penekes, irs addition to 410 11, it was basteded to provide 2,1110,0001 foe tbe Civil Lists of the i Wiwi Kingdom. This but in accorded with the profession of retrenchment that had been made. (Hear, hear.) Some reduction had been effected in theexpenditure under the class "Foreign Ministers," but the details chewed that there was abundance of room for further retrenchment in that class. Hitherto no inquiry whatever had been made respecting the Civil List of Ireland, (hear;) and that of ' Scotland also required investigation. (Hear.) Besides the 109.0001. granted to the late King, his Majesty also spent the hereditary revenues, and out of 180,41001. only 110,0001. ever reached the public puree. It was impossible that ministers could justify their hav ing adopted the Civil List of 1820, u that wu the most extravagant arrangement that ever took place in this country. He thought also that there would be a great saving in the separation of the sum allowed to his Alsjesty from that applicable to other purposes. This plan would at least render the matter pals. sod it melds opinion that the accounts tor the year should be laid on the table before the supplies were voted. In conclusion, the hon. baronet said that, although anxious to do that which was necessary foe the maintenance of the comfort and dignity of the Crown, yet that hon. members should listen to the demand of the public, and support his tion. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said he still adhered to his opinion, that it was advisable that the ministers of the crown should submit to the house their statement of what they considered ne cessary for the support of the Civil List, and not to delegate that duty to a committee of the house. If economy was the hon. baronet's object, be felt confident that object would not be promoted by the appointment of a committee. The bon. baronet had not stated whether he meant to give the committee the power of sending for persons, papers, and re. cords. (Sir H. Parnell said across the table that he did not.) Then what advantage could be expect from the examination of the documents in a committee, that be could not have from an examination of them being laid on the table of that house ? Mr. Tierney. when be was cep. pointed a member of such a committee, refused to attend, saying, the appointment of a committee without power to examine witnesses was a delusion to which be would not become a party. If he (the Chancellor of the Exchequer) had proposed a committee without power to examine witnesses, he would be charged with an attempt at delusion. He could not consent to such a committee. The honourable baronet also pro posed that the committee should simplify the mode of keepingthe pub lic accounts; and also to sell the lands of the Duchies—Lan and Cornwall. Was it not evident that such a committee must, by the de. lay in coming to any decision, greatly retard the settlement of his Ma jesty's civil list, a result it vu desirable it avoid. The hoe. baronet had said be could not understand bow a saving of 85,0001 a year was effected. 'The pap" be had laid on the table 'hewed It clearly. (Hear and haghten) A - Comparison of the items of charge &hewed that there was a dm saving on the civil list proposed for his present Majesty and the civil list of his late Majesty of 85,4451 The bon. baronet's next ob ject for going into the committee was to ascertain bow the could be reduced. The list of pensioas would be forthwith laid penceere table, and the house would have the power of deciding on their fitness quite as well as in a committee. He would only ask the house to refer to antecedent periods, sod see bow small a proportion the present list bears to its amount in former times. The Irish pension n was now parsed to be reduced to 411,000 L before the union it was 140,0001 l'he pension lists of England and Scotland have also been much reduced. The bonomthle baronet's next object was to examlne in the committee the salaries of foreign minis. ten. Whv not maks the examination at present, and state his cooclu. sloes to the house? He says they were greatly increased in 1820 ; but they have been some years onaally decreasing. That charge has been redarad every year, and the lest estimate is 25,0001. less than for , the last year. The baronet should take into consideration the treater number of foreign ministers now employed to represent the interests of this country. At the period the bon. baronet referred to, the number was 17, now It was incensed to W. All these were neon. nary, and all were supported now fee less than the 17 formerly. He must deny what the honourable baronet said of the civil list of 1818. That civil list, however was formed after the consideration of a corn. mitten and if the honourable baronet's statements were correct, we had a better chance of economy by not appointing a corn. mitten The Honourable Baronet bad said that he considered it aFof of extravagance that there was no debt incurred during the late re • no doubt he would consider it so if debt had been inc urre d. ha; course then could satisfy him ? (Hear, hear.) The Honourable Baronet said the different charges in the Civil List should be kept separate, and that the past practice was so bad that it should be avoided. (Hear, ban) He could Not came In that opinion ; but if the Honourable Baronet chewed the inentranieue of the present system, sod how it could be changed with advantage, he should be ready to make the change ; but he dim& die seasons in favour of the present system prepooderaud. The Musemble Baronet said It gave the tlwispcesol an oppontutity of saying that a million a year was allowed his Majesty for Ms personal expenditure. He be. lieved the public were not so igainene an this point as the honourable baronet supposed. They all knew that hie Majesty provided for some part of the public service out of his dvll lion But suppose the state. meat was made as the hoes barest* wished, would not W•disposed pu mas take advantage of it, to saythet den was ball a mthion taken an. malty for the personal expanseset Ihs Meese& ; and would not that do more to east obloquy es she limennip than any ndeepreeentatio• that could now take page? (Bear, and kirgdstm.) Oa all these grounds be must glee his ne gati ve to the boa. batmen motion. Mr. BANK= thftee a reference to a Quondam should have bees preferred by the Minims theeteelvos.--(Hear, bra.) Since 1811, there had been am, oe eight Committees ell the exposes of the Crown, and they had rendered the hems of expeme much more intelligible than formerly; and be could see no advantage In continuing mystery (Hear, bear, The Commies. could investigate the subject more fully than the Hotwe. Was the esplanades given by the Chanceller ot the Exchequer so perfectly dew that it might not be made rose clear by a Committee ? (Hese, Mr.) He certainly did not wish to give the Committee mom anisegeti powers than was necessary; but though they might not examine persons, great explenatioms might be given by his Majesty's Minima, who would be members of the Committee, and a body of useful inlimehiew would be led bakes the House. (Hear.) Mr. CALCZAIPT NM his boo. friend had mentioned that many committees hod bass egghead se examine the Civil Liss; but thee had been no emesess on the secession of the Sovereign, and that made a Mr iWnMlu. The Civil List of his late Majesty had been settled in Mk and it was now dearly shown by his right ban. friend, that them was a saving et 1114000 L besides the saving by the Ming in of the Duke of Chem& @Hominess, which he could not say arose from any eronornical areanimens. It was a matter of doubt whether that put attire Civil List Add' applied to hie Majesty's dignity and esmfort, shoal not be lemma hem the rest, and on that pan be would own be bad not nude up his NMI. Led ALTHORP said he add not allow any weight to the Chin. cellar of thisExcbequa's that Mr. Tierney refused to sit as a Committee on the Civil because they were not allowed to sm. mine wheelies, because the present Ministers supported that Com. mittee.--(Hear. bear.) Neither could he admit much to the argument of the Right Hon. Gent. who spoke hie, that no Committee was appoint. ed on the commencement of a sew reign, because that Right Hen. Oen. was one of the 157 members who voted fee the appointment of such a Committee at the comotenosment of the last reign.—(Haw, bear.) He thought it better not to have the power to examine witnesses ro. 'pectin! the personal expenses of his Majesty; but if for the examina tion of other items such powers were necessary, the Reuse would give them. He bad bestowed his best attention on the papers laid on the table by the right bon gentleman, and could not make out the to. vies he had mentioned. That the house should vote 970,0001 a.year for the life of his Majesty without examinadon, was such a proposal as he was surprised any gentleman could make (loud cheering.) After the pledges which many of them bad made to their constituents of era. soul, be thought they would betray their nut if they were to come to such a vote without examination (boar.) He thought the other branches of the public revenue ought to be sparated tram the personal expenses of his Majesty, both to prevent mlmeprawtados, and that they might annually come under the review of parliament (beer.) Mr. C. W. WYNN said, it was time that an examination by a com mittee should take place before voting a civil list.. No committee yea appointed at the commencement of the reign of George 111. because at that period no separation of the demos on the atilt* bad taken place. After Mr. Burke bed gado a aquatics debase several con. miners Sad been appointed to examine the istidheM of the civil Lista lie had the honour of sitting on more than one of them. In the pre. sent case there could be no difficulty from any feelings of delicacy, as there could. be no imputation of excessive expenditure on the pan of his ' Villa/IRM said his right hon. friend (the Chancellor of the Ex. chequer) bad put the question on so clear a ground, that it was unne. cessary for him to offer any thing is addition. The hon. baronet had laid down the doctrine that pre ced ents were not to be followed, but were to be avoided. Nothing could be more absurd. (A laugh.) He was as willing as the hen. baronet to limn to sound reason for departing from a precedent; but without good memo ware abewn for departing firom it, he should adhere to it as more comment than change. The late civil list was evidently a greater cbaqp as the public than the present by NNW, that was as clear as Spree could make it, and it was wholly mina:essay to appoint • amities* to ascertain that fact It had been marked that the:Oseemeet had not done all that might be done to improve she weal of keeping the public acoounts and of oollectiag the public routine r but ems meg answer might be, that something had been done, ae the willeeden of the revenue Dow so o t 3,700,0001. whereas it bessides easti,lllo,SSOL (Hear.) And further inquiries were making to mewl* whithh, that expense could we he etill more diminished. In 00111iMiOnt 11010 Pated that ho Mat oppose the amendment be thought that hones dishiest place foe the amplest H. s . H. SUMNII* seid_thst ftle aiseitable Gentleman (Mr. Oeulletre) bad srieee4ols.4)oerridelled MIL Silted expected a saga better mmHg 'WPM shish did not naturally ittthe Fain 1 , 04 ihitithlipthaled ems it. (Hear.) Thaw annar exposes being petapes tinsCieni Uhl Made the cat of the King rips Feu to be -grata then ft rally was. (Lewd ides of Question, question.) Seraagers were Mend to withdraw. anifid ma n . m ho s , aid .amiss, may of the membese. Ia the house sad in the. die earustl y joining in tbs. ay of Swamps withdraw I. wi 1 'P r . Th e of the hauscand aide gellarior me crowded tehl asembee, pestionlad; the opposition bushes, and the oasyshers them wee _angst.) those who meet lustily called "Questioo, question !—Withdraw, with draw !—Sueingess withdraw !" They appeared very anxious fee the division to tabs pboe thus early. far tome time minded. The numbers mers•• Stranres were the modes ... Fee the 1111.141.1111, • • ...1111 Meier* against the Ministeel The ansimefeibo of the numbers ailed teeth btud, le s = biadine hla. l continued cheering from the opperiiden. . It was a before it experiential any abetting... 'Ai Maas it bad sespwist abated, Sir H. PARNELL rose, and nomad that the select eantmittee be now appointed. (Cheers.) Mr. HOBHOUSE bunch/Mk me. Alba the division that has just taken place (said Mr. Hobbes's) I amid pat it to the Right hon. gentleman (Sir Robert Peel) whether he aml his cellesgues around him res i lp ed tend any longer to continue in 'Mei, heat what they msy be to calla Oovanment P (Imams. &easing.) o Mr. li d BHOUSE (after some pause for an answer) As there is no reply to this question, I shall avail myself of a very early opportunity to put this mattes to the test, (Loud t ha n, and ogles of move, move.) This matter must soon be brought to an issue. (Continued cheering.) I repeat—Do the Ministers, after this division, think of continubg iq their pleas P (land cries of hear, bear.) SM no answer, and there being no appearance of any member on the Bench intending to attempt to rise 1117.7ROUGH A M (after a pause) said, the question of the has. member is an exceedingly natural one—(cheers)—ft is by no means an unnatural one, after what has happened to the gentlemen opposite. (Cheers and laughter.) But, perhaps, the hon. member will not now press it further t and as to the motion immediately before the Home, perhaps the hon. baronet will deem it advisable to postpone the don for for the nomination of the Committee Oft -morrow. I think, under all the cheumetenees, it may be better for him to pursue that course. (Cries of " No, no," " Move now," from those members who were im. mediately around Hr. Brougham.) After some pause, we understand Mr. Brougham mid, Well, as my hon. Mends do not agree with me in the proposition for postponement, I withdraw my request. (Hear.) The question that the Select Committee be now appointed, was then put and carried without any division oicomment. Sir H. PARNELL then handed in the list of the proposed Com mittee, which the Speaker read. Amongst the names read from the chair, we collected the following t Sir H . Parnell, Mr. Ward, The Ch. of the Exchequer, I Mr. Mahe*, Sir R. Peel, Ma Littleton. Lord Aida", Sir J. Newport, Mr. Arbuthnot. Mr. H. Drummond, Mr. Berries, Lord Palmerston, Mr. F. Lewis, Mr. 8. Rice, Mr. Smokes, Mr. Hume, Sir Z. Enatehbull, Mr. C. W. Wynne, At. he. Five to be a qamem. While the oppeddia, or rather them who were in favour of Sir H. Pantrzat.'s modes he the select committee ware in the lobby, Mr. 811017011.4111 adeemed them, and begrd them not to withdraw a ft er this division, elfecielly should they un fortunately be in a minority ; for, in that case mo th er division would certainly take place. Evan if tit:ministers &m id succeed in getting the house info a committee again m the civil Bat, the boa. member intended to move that the chairman do report program, and ask leave to sit again, with a view to some ulterior prosodist. The necessity 9 however, for this precau tionary harangue, it will be perceived, did not exist. The Committee having been named, many Members withdrew. For some time the confusion was such, that though the Speaker pro ceeded with the business on the paper, what was the fate of many pro. positions, was not distinctly ascertained in the gallery. CLEO& OF THE COOSCZL. Mr. STANLEY renewed his inquiry about the Clerk of the Coun cil ; Mr. Buller, who lately filled it, was dead ; and he understood the President of the Council had appointed his son to supply the vacancy ; was that the fact P Sir R. PEEL said, he had not heard of the appointment ; if it had taken place, he was ignorant el it. Mr. STANLEY hoped it was not the fast, especially as he had put a question on the subject an Friday ; but lift were fact, it would appear that the vacancy had been filled up within 44 hours of its having oc curred, Sir H. PEIII. confessed that he was wholly ignorant of all the cis. comatances connected with the ease; he knew not in whom was the appointment; most certainly the biome seeretary had not had any thing to do with it. Mr. Alderman THOMPSON then obtained leave to bring in a bill declaring what charitable inedtadosa were liable to the payment at pa. id ru. Mr. KENNEDY roved an Aimee to his majesty for a return of certain mere coonemod with the elective franchise in Scotlanclo— alC: r. L. CIOWIII moved fee s illeket Committee on the Tolls and Cameos la Ireland. Motion agreed to, sad the medium of the omelette nominated. Sir R. PitlL, as we undoemed, postponed his motion for a eon— mime ea the Host India Ce's oaks. Mr. HUMS moved as for a room of all Pensions on his Mar's Civil List (1810.)—Agreed to. ATTORNIIY-GENZILAL hies& ta a bill for amending the i Act for the lotto admisiesadot of jostles is Howland and Wales Reed a fine time ; indeed to be mad a seemed time en Weloaday nest. Alderman THOMPSON in • 11111 derbalso la mkt mass' the possemitme of attain diri badintiess obi be Noble to the poymentet rates for local purpeees.—Wed a Sem time; to be read a emend dee ea Friday wit. R. AntLahvery paddies well= by Lod IV. Psalm, by Sir NA by Mr. Sykes, by and by Mr. Syn. An sleeks petition was pretend egilee ns Trreture for Dover. The ether orders of the day were due arse& of, and the House ad. jonmed at Half-past Tan. LAW REPORTS. COURT OF JUNO'S BENCH, Nov. 13. WON Mr. Jasdoe lATTLEDALE. THI LINO 9. 1111631SS_AND LACY. Mr. WTloatt mewed fir Rakes Corpus, directed to Messrs. Knisbet sod them to being up the body of Mr. Ma Knight, Oa bed amending to the affidavits been removed by knee Am his haves r ika.maputa, to tats Lunatic Asylum 0 the tiehodest was Sallsbaly. where he had been de. taloa fifiees swift egabst Ids will, sod deprived of pins, i n mad papa. The admilsmes Knights. one of whom is an attorney, were his brothers, and it was sworn that they bad afterwards obtained Fos mei= of his keys and pares, and exercised full power over his person , and estate, refusing permission to his friends to visit him. Mr. Wyborn amended that acceeding to the affidavits of eight _ paeans who had obtained access to him, Mr. Joint Knight wee prrml- y sound In mind, but that MD admitting his insanity the legal farms_ regulating Lunatic Asylums had not been observed, but he had been clandestinely ' taken away and concealed, and that in cases of confirmed lunacy, the law never committed the custody of the person, of a lunatic to hie heir, nor the custody of his estate to any person without security, and that the solicitor of the commission could not act as receiver. Mr. Justice LITTLIDALI.—.YeIi hare shewn enough to raise the question, but it would be inconvenlast to have a suspected lunatic brought into the Court, from day to day, during the discussion, would it not be better to take a rule to spew Bose Mr. Wrsoatr.—ln " the King v. Turlieguon, 2 Barr. 1116," lord Mansfield panted the - writ at ewe agaiast a husband, who had imprisoned his wife in a madhouse; and that was approved of by the prang Lord Chief Justice in " the Xing v. Middleton, 1 Chitty, 066." Mv. Justice LIPTTLKIVALL—I am only deterred by the inconve. Mena. his to be presumed these defendants suppose him to be Insane. Mr. Wviscoaw.-1 myself lave doubts upon that belief ; and there. fare should have requested the Court to have ordered an examination, In thopresenos ef_she Master of the etewo-office, by such medical moo as he should approve of. Mr. Justice LtrwLsoamet..—l doubt whether I have the power to ceder that proceeding. Mr. IFTIORX.••••TiIIit was ordered by this Court, in the reported ease 'of the I follefideS VICSta. Mr. Zachary M'Cauley suggested to the Court, that this poor Aitken had been enuapped into this country, sod exhibit e d foe money 11=1m will t and the Court, a ft er pa the Habeas Corpus, and • g the report of the Master, a elt2 tisemerives satisfied. Mr. Justice Lirer.zoado.—.After consul the other Judges, de. elated amiedoeision to be, that the rule Nisi only should be granted. COURT OF EXCHEQUER, Nov. 16. LIMII-411111111$ V: CIIISDLOII. lIIT. WADDICKEIbiI IDOvel•farD rule SO show MK why the vadiet in this cue should not be , det aide and a new trial granted, is the pound of a misdirection of the Leonid Judge who tried the cause. It was as 'Aka fit libelaried lichee Abe Lad diet Heron at the last Warwick wine e the Jury food • verdict fee the plaintiff—damps 150 L The phdatif le a dim* of the alestinghato Joint Bieck Banking Ltbegeop, god the leibithot pditer el the Birmingham Argtis nolipper. ~ The . . rated Vetoed kr the plaindg io 1 the trial entard, *Mew* otiose. JOIN liar the Pone libel had been libhogld,•Jopinet .two dillboorg penes, against one of whom orsill•Illonsill, be roomed lea limps, and reed several Pl heeti.eaboopene teundren of thi Alrghs,, in which the eendueton: illiellidemi Milt seemly saintedeseled upon e apish of da. Zetat%=as. .(41 up, oa 1 1111 1dt 6 t1 e el l t as huh was j fo lia :dr i b74 assiog o t e egeo simphissi of look place Ice an sawn • to a giteetipa -- l e i ilhe Alp east bawls/ imbed Si. about half an ignara.: lam 0486, ant pat a quesda6 in drift, to t h e s. Age, to tha , fatileibig oft t. list ,a eletli-o spinet the t ought to bl iii ttferviw* to. walOpmelilota t o t= my' • fist the slaraadant, or shah* OW IMMO' the thus bk. Illemeell Wen te be use at bi isiosties of any timeeepesee be awarded' Thu Chief Ism ,toil, iimit.be dld sec ow. side the 4tasates.steovared hem Musa ought to he taken late eon sideration b the Jury.. This was the misdirection complained of, ta w les (hlr.W ) submitted that the Jury were entitled to take int o esnahlemeion the fact that the plaintiff had already recovered kw . eimapsfreen Mr. Mansell, who bad sold the pamplikt containing t h, NEW Mod. Mt. BIRO& BAYLEY...MAC a Vale to show cause. BOARD OF EXCISE, Nov. 16. TIM DINO V. DAVID DEDFORD. The defendant was landlord of the Weavers' Atms public.bn ou. London-wall, and was charged on an information for mixing suga r , salt, and vitrol, or other ingredients, not being malt ce hops, with h i , beer, thereby incurring a penalty of MI. The fact being pr ove d, he was fined 100 L TUX XING T..JAUXII CZAUP. The defendant, who very recently kept the Bull's Head, Hungerfo r d. asarket, (where the detection took pkte,) was, for a similar offence aN the preceding, fined 1501. The Faso r. . 1. Bies.g.--This was a ginger infoonstien against this defendant, who keeps the Coopers' Arms, in Great Baffron-hill. Th e house bad since been shut up, and the ddendant did net appear t o t h, information. It appeared that upon samples of the defendant's Deer being taken by the officers on the 45th of August, and analysed by chemist, it was found that one sample had a proportion of nearly four. teen ounces of salt and eleven drachms of iron in the one hundred gal. tons. The Court convicted the defendant in the full penalty of NM, leaving him, if be should think peeper, to petition for a mitigation, in case he could show good grounds for such a measure. POLICE REPORT& filviumau..—Georsw Harris, a drover, was brought up by Batten, one of the Smithfield ofiicers, charged with ill-treating a sheep in Smith. Geld, yesterday morning, by striking it repeatedly on the head, till it fell to the ground. Prisoner said the animal teased him by jumping out of the pen% several times, and he had lost his temper. The Alderman fined him ten shillings, which the prisoner said to was quite unable to pay. Finding, however, be would be detained is default, be instantly produced the money, and was dischorged. BOW.STRELT.--Jain Bail, a young man whose pps.rsnoe was sot very favourable to him, was yesterday brought before IL Blatt it. alined with having, in eastart with ens Joitis Aeolis, wilfully sea maliciously cut and &domed the front of the public-house in Little St. Andrew-strest, Saves Mb, known by the sign of the Two Brewers. and kept by Mr. Jelin Udders% It appeared that the pdaseur and his companion bad been turned out of the Two Brewers, and that between twelve and one o'clock the same morning, some persons, supposed to be the prisoner and Austin, at and disfigured the shop-window in such a manner, that 10L would not make good the damage. The prisoner and Austin were the only persons eb. served in the street by the police, who, on searching the prisoner, round on him a chisel and other Implements, that might have been used in tilt manner described. The prisoner declared, that if the law was to take the breath out to. his body, he was innocent of the charge. The evidence, however, was so conclusive against him, that the ma. &rate remanded him, to give an opportunity for the apprehension in Ms companion. George Weston (who, it was ascertained, is the son of Mr. Weston, the tailor to the late King) was chargisl with having assaulted a young man named Montague. The assault, which was clearly established, was committed in Row. bottom's " Finish." _ _ Sir R. %um asked the defendant what be was. A gentleman, sir, was the reply. Sir R. BIZNIZ—There are so many grades of gentility now-a.day. that one is at a loss to know how to estimate the term. The word gen. demon is vague and indefinite. Do you belong to any trade ?-" -No, Sir, Ido not," was the rely, " I live upon my means." Sir R. Biants—Oh I very well, Sir. Being a Ciendeman,ou must roctifine of 61. for the wale, or spend one month in the House of OIL Defendant—l shall be able to get the money in the course of the day. Sir R. Biaxis—Very well. When you pay the money you mil be discharged. Uxtow-Hate.t..— Yesterday, Jaw Holmes, a shopman in the err. playtime of Alr. Glover, a grocer, was charged with robbing his em. ce complainant stated that having reason to suspect the prisoner, he marked a sosmign far the purpose of deteedng hint, which he placed in the hands of another person, who had directions to make purchase of sugar at the co mp lainant's shop, and pay for the same Mai the marked money. The soner made up the order and received the severeign, but based of placing it in the till he put it into his 0. pocket, and a constable having been sent for without his knowledge. l ow searching him the marked sovereign, together with between 71. and 81. more, was found in his pockets ; besides a sum of 47L which we' ales discovered concealed in his box; ell of which money he voluntarily I acknowledged he bad plundered from his employer. The prisoner wa, cenonitted. WO/I.IIIIP4ITRIZT.—Mare Miller and Ann Waste were charged with robbing Mr. Wright, jeweller, of Banner.stroet, St. Luke's, of a gold chain, ten gold seals, some keys, and two brooches. The pro. I soeutor and a friend on returning from Stamford.hill, called at the Bed Lion, Bingeland-road, to take refreshment, and gave some gin to the 'prisoners, who were standing at the door, apparently wet through. On Mr. W. and his friend going out, they were followed by the prisoners, who solicited their company, but were refused. The prosecuto r . on his arrival home, discovered that the parcel, which contained the above articles, had been abstracted from his side pocket. The prisoner Mills. when taken into custody, had the identical chain, which was valued a. 1 seven guineas, round her neck, and one of the brooches in her boson. A pawnbroker produced some of the property, which bad been pawned by Watts. The prisoners were committed for trial. Tusmas Poucz.—Johe Goodgagaro was charged with ,open a seaman's chest on board the Loftin, na Sunday afternoon bra , abl i stealing three shiru, as many pairs of stockings and trowsers, and some other articles. Mr. Brodcrip sentenced him to three months' im. prtsonment and hard labour. Mary Bloc, a lad, was charged with a similar attempt on board the Cagliari*. Muer! Forbes Beet Indianian. He was sentenced to three months' imprisonment and bard labour. SEDATIVE EFFECT OF THE SPIDER'S WEB. The web of the black spider has received commendation from :may respectable sources, as a sedative agent, capable of calming, with pecu liar ease and certainty, morbid excitability of the cerebral and nerves,. systems. On the credit of those qualities it has been employed in use various farms of temulence, and not without a share of reputed success. sufficient to entitle it to consideration in that state of constitution..! irritation. In the summer of len we tried this article in many cases, and in full doses. To test its qualities it was given, where the state of the patient admitted, uncombined with opiates. When thus used. its effects were generally partial or doubtful, and its powers inadeq u aw t. the production of tranquillity or sleep. In one case only have I found this substance to exert great or decided sedative attributes. This was the case of an intelligent young man (in private practice'. who, after consuming, by his own report, three quarts of brandy 1 thirty.six hours, fell into a state of temulent excitation so excessive. that he was Incapable of keeping a recumbent or even a sitting patine for more than a minute, but paced his chamber with a ceaseless step for two days and nights. lie was not delirious : on the contrary. his conversation was rational, though hurried and vehement. But he . was so far under the influence of spectral hallucination, that it he closed his eyes for a moment, day or night, he was instant ly visited by a host of phantoms of frightful aspect; hence chiefly his aversion to lie down, or make any voluntary effort to sleep. This patient took opium, opium with camphor, and black shop's' short intervals, and in full doses, until the quantity of opiate approached the ' utmost limit of probable safe administration, without even partial re lief of constitutional irritation, or any apparent proneness to sleep. The temulent excitement kept unabated for twenty-four hours, the second night passed in constant vigilance, locomotion, and mental excitement. and it seemed probable that excitation so intense, protracted, and en remitting, must soon laps e i nto d e li r i um or convulsions. At slits Ualle i the morning of the third day, (the second of my attendance,) he belly! ' the use of its, fresh web in pills of five grains every hour. Its den was prompt and unequivocal. The patient spoke emphatically. both the first and second day, of the soothing influence produced by t he pills. Be was not at the time informed of their composition. DIED. Sunday monslag, at his bons', In Yorklisee, James Buller, Egi Chief Clerk at the Council. Mr. Boller had submitted to an operation on Saturday weak on his lips, which was followed by inflammation. and which terminated in death. On the loth inst. u•Vaeaham, in the county of Surrey. Lady Choirs goy, aged 14 —At Golden Vas, Jainsios, on the lith &pc Dlr. Far els Km, mond son of the late Charles Kerr, Esq. Calder Bank.- .k Prasetennan, parish of Stepson. on the first of October, Mary Mathie sea, in the hanthedth year of her age. AS her mental Acuities ►r• instead entire* the close of life, and though blind for many yews. fet' was she always encerCtil, contented. sod happy. The beautiful loke of he imanall vii haws hint, irs the eye of its many visitors, one of most winismalic sad in °Netts, in the lamented removal of poor obi babe Mary. The Non.• Hamilton Nisbet of Dirinen, tre co• 441giaad e iw about to raise a monument to the memory of her simple amt. gnintilm mod worth. 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