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r r . - the Standing Army withopt an application to Parlia ment, and the measureWsai4 to be perfectly con stitutional. This he.'Seittetli:.'itch a. measure was always supposed contrary to the Bill of Rights; and it was stated in 1751, by a Member who spoke in fa • your of the Militia Bill, that the Militia being the only' constitutional force, it was necessary that the King., should have the power of calling out the Militia, as he could on no such occasion increase the Standing Army. Ile was obliged to the Noble Secretary for not having exaggerated, on the present occasion, the unlikeness, of 1792 to the present year. The Noble Secretary ' had said, on a former occasion. that we might as weil go back to the Heptarchy as to 1792. In 1792, host ever. there were 15,000 'effective men in the arntei force for England. That was a year of pro found peace, though measures were taken to prevent the d is:ger which, in the opinion of the statesmen of that time, threatened this country. But in 1793 a war had intervened, and the King of France had • been beheaded, yet there was only a rise of 2,000 men in the military force. There ups now an in crease of 12,000 men—not in a time of war—not after a change of the political situation of Europe, nor with a pretext even for expecting such a change. Because twenty men Lad met in a garret—because trials were going on (and, by the bye, this was the first occasion on which a large military force had been deemed necessary to protect trials)—(Hear, hear) —they were to increase to this unheard-of amount the military force. He should, therefore, vote for the reduction proposed by the Noble Lord (Nugent), because it was the greatest ; and, for the very same reason he should have voted for the reduction, it it had been ptoposed, of the whole military esta blishment!—(Lard cheers Ism the Ministerial side). I i saying this, he was not taunting Gentlemen, but Stating frankly what his opinions were—as frankly as those whose sentiments were backed by a majority in the House, as' well as by armies without—(l4ear, hear).—The question is simply this, whether this country shall he governed by a Standing Army ? The Gentlemen on the Ministerial side of the House supposed their opponents wanting in candour in making such an assertion; but when 92,000 men were under arms; when there existed 35,000 men in Eng land, not merely in statement or in Ministerial argu ments (and if they had not the men, he should not much care for the arguments), was there not some ground for such an expression ? The most patriotic man of his day, Fletcher, of Saltoun, had said, in speaking on the same subject—" It may be doubted avhether our enemies can conquer us, but there can be no doubt that a standing army would enslave us." • The House of Commons seemed really to be debating this matter like armed Colonists in a conquered country, discussing how many of the natives should be extermina.ed. He was almost afraid to refer to periods once deemed the times worthy of imitation, but which now it was held to be a specimen of puerile rhetoric to mention by way of illustration. In the reign of Henry VII. it was made a Constitutional question, whether the King should he allowed 50 armed Gentle men yeomen ? a. it was doubted if even such a force as that might not fright the laws from their propriety.— Queen Elizabeth, it was well known, had not even guards. One of the articles of the Petition of Rights referred lo King Charles having maintained a greater number of troops than be was authorised by law to do, and the coutrottl of the military force was the question which, unfortunately for, him, was decided by an areal to arms. Even in the time of what was called the Pensioned Parliament, the House of Commons voted a standing army of 5,550 n a nuisance, though the King did not burtheri the na tion for their support, but maintained them out of the Civil List--(llene, hear) —Janies the Sncond bad, indeed, 30,000 men ; but they all knew how that experiment ended ; they had now 35,000 men, though they were not all assembled at Hounslow ! But if that House of Commons ever did its duty, he expected to see them there. King William, after the peace, of Ryswicki was only allowed 7,000 men ; and though he sent repeated Messages to Parliament in favour of his Dutch Guards, the House of Commons did its duty, and he was obliged to part with those who had fought and conquered with him, and, what was more, had achieved the liberation of England. In 1715, the same 7000 men crushed the Rebellion. Soon after that, indeed, a large Standing Army took its origin, and we owed a Standing Army to the same policy which created a Standing Parliament. A:Gen tleman who represented the City which he (Mr. H.) had the honour to represent, said, that a Standing Army and a Standing Parliament were twin sisters, and must stand and fall together ! He hoped the time would come, when, by the change in the dura tion and the election of the House, it would be found unnecessary to keep up this standing army to protect that standing Parliament. These sentiments, which were now 'deemed the distempered ravings of a de luded populace, were the sentiments of the political ancestors of every distinguished man in the House. The ilhistrious names of Wyndham and Pulteney ; the Tories of Queen Anne's, and the Whigs of George the First's reign ; even Sir Robert Walpole, in 1718, ere he was a Minister, had opposed a standing army, though in 1738 be had changed his opinion, and was backed by as large a majority as the Noble Secretary of War had now the good fortune to be. In regard to the argument that a Parliamentary Army was different from one raised solely by the authority of the King, Lord Chesterfield had said, that what was against the Constitution could not be made for it by any Act of Parliament.— The Mutiny Bill itself was contrary to the spirit of the Constitution, to Magna Charts, to a Statute of Edward I. and to the Bill of Rights. But it was • against an army of only 18,000 men that the wit of eitesterfield, the political information of Sir William Wyndham, and the sober sense of Sir Robert Wal pole had been directed. The peace establi.hment of 1-7f: 4 6 was only 29,780 men, for all parts of our ter ritories. Even in 1818, the Secretary of War had stated, that the effective force was only 13,000 men, though the whole estimate was 26,000 men. The Noble Lord had then explained, that if he had to make war on any body of the people, he could only bring 18,000 men into the field. Now, if we might trust the Estimates, it was 35,000 men for England ! —lt had beenstated by Sir Hussey Vivian, that 23,000 men had assembled in Scotland in military art ay. He put it to the gallant General, how im ptobable it was that such an assemblag e gould have t a ken place, without being known to' ethers besides LONDON. THURSDAY, JUNE 15, 1820. PitICE Of STOCKS THIS DAT AT ONE O'CLOCK : 3 per Ct. Reduced 6/31 11-31 per Ct. 761-4 per Ct. 801 it: 5 per Ct. Scrip lb 1 pr.—lndia Bds. 111 s. 13s. pre. Exch. Fills Is. dis. Is. pr. par—Onin. 31 pr —Cons. apt. 70170. waitet Yesterday evening, the City on the QUEEN to know when her MAJESTY would see the Sheriffs, to appoint the day to receive the City Address ? Her MAJESTY appointed eleven o'clock this morning, at which hour the Sheriffs attended her MAJESTY, when they were most graciously received, and were informed that fier MAJESTY would be ready to receive the Address to-morrow at one o'clock. Sunday evening last, the Rev. Jona COOKE deli. vcred a most interesting lecture to his congregation, at Maidenhead, en the following words : " My transgression is sealed up in abag !"—.lob tiv. 17. In point of fact, this is the subject most generally discussed at the present moment, not only by Eccle siastics but by the Laity of every persuasion; and thought the different heads and subdivisions of the text, be variously managed in 'furious places, in some of the leading branches, all are pretty generilly agreed. A gases bag has been prepared ! With what, and by whom tiUed ? To whom bent? Why ? And for what purpose ? All these, and 'many other questions are asked, and every step that has been pursued ever since the origin of the unhappy- difference between their MAJESTIES, and especially the measures of the enemies of the Qum?, are canvassed with a degree of acuteness and penetration fatal to the aim and ob ject of their wishes. It is known to all, that immediately on the acces sion of the Kuco, Ministers were applied to, to second his MAJESTY in the measures he wished to have pur sued respecting the QUEEN. It is equally well known, that Ministers contrived on that occasion, to throw the responsibility from themselves upon the legal advisers of the Crown ; that their Report met not the approbation of his MAJESTY ; and that, cn this oc casion, the Ministers were for some time out of place :—but they were found again in place next day ! on what compromise we know not. Thus things continued till the approach of a Coro. nation was announced, and also the intention of the QUEEN to honour England with her presence. What was' to be done? We know what was done. We know the proposition made by Ministers through Lord HUTCJEINSON, to her MAJESTY. Her MAJESTY arrived in a common packet—having been refused a yacht, and was compelled to take up her abode in the house of a private Citizen—Ministers not having provided her Maisari with a suitable residence.— And what next ? A green Gag is sent to the House of Peers ! and one to the House of Commons ! Why this procedure ? This is the question most commonly discussed, and the general conclusion of the Public is one which cannot fail to put Parliament on its guard. It is this :—Ministers, unable themselves to substan tiate any charge against the QUEEN, endeavoured, as already noticed, to throw the responsibility on the Law Advisers, and these having refused to take the loid, it was then attempted to throw it on Parlia ment !!! And how ? By sending a green bag, stuffed with no one knows what, though it is pretty well known by whom the greater part of the contents were Coox'd ; and, by an endeavour to erect in Pao. liament a Secret Tribunal, to Report on the contents of the filthy lag, without allowing the accused party to hear, or confront the evidence. The House of Commons saw ;he snare that was thus laid for them, and the good sense of the House defeated the project—for defeated it is to all intents and purposes; and if measures be new resorted to, they must be followed more according to the com mon forms of justice—not on the responsibility of the House of Commons. , In the meantime, our Readers will be happy to learn, that the QUEEN is in the best health and spirits: her MAJESTY yesterday took an airing in a coach drawn by four post-horses: she went over Vauxhall. bridge to Blackheath ; from thence she proceeded to Twickenham, on a visit to Mrs. DA mEa, and returned to town through Kensington, where she stopped some time at •the house of Lady ELIZABETH WHITBREAD. She left town at nine o'clock, and returned to her house to dinner at half-past four. Though her MA JESTIE'S journey was unexpected, she was everywhere received with the ringing of bells, and the accla mations of the inhabitants. The Paris Papers of Sunday arrived last night, and those of Monday this forenoon. Immediately after the reading of the Proces-verhai, in the Chamber of Deputies, on Saturday, M. LA- I/ix-re rose, for the purpose f opposing the adoption of it, and of stating that the Chamber was divested of all freedom of deliberatiOn. He was interrupted by murmurs on the right, but proceeded to state, that during a week past blood had not ceased to flow in the Capital. He was again interrupted by excla mations on the right, and cries of " Hear, hear!" on the left. He repeated his assertion, with the addi tion, that on the preceding evening blood had bee n shed, in a manner still more dreadful than on the preceding days. M. de LAVITTZ proceeded to read a letter, signed by several inhabitants of the Quartre of La Porte-Saint Denis, stating that a number of persons bad been wounded, and one •killeJ, by the troops, on Friday evening, at La Porte Saint Martin. In the midst of reading the letter considerable agitation was produced in the Assembly by M. de Convicts* calling out "La Voila 1" and producing half a sabre, which had been broken in one of the contests, and left behind. 14.1.Artrrx proceeded at coasitierable length, and observed that he did not approve of riotous assem blages, but was it astonishing that the citizen s w h o failed in havitheir wishes attended to in the should Chambers, seek to express them, as far as possible, in the most legal way ? Several voices called out " revel* is net legal. M. LAPITTE con tended, that under a Representative Government it could not be called a revolt, when the citizens as sembled without using seditious expressions. Here there was an explosion. (to use the French term) of voices on the right and to the centre of the right ' M. de Mbwreatst, " That is slot true." From the left- 44 It is true--.g au." M. LArirtz went on to say, that it was true sedi tious expressiOns had been used by Agents of Police, and not by peaceable citizens. Alter some futther observations, he concluded by moving that the Mi nisteri should furnish information respecting the events of Friday and the preceding days. • M. Di MONTCALM said it was false to assert there were no seditious shouts amongst the mob, as he had heard them. M. CASIMIR PRIMER expressed great indignation at the conduct - of Ministers. The ReepLa of the SEALS said, that rebellion had been prepared and organised, and that all the indig nation of the Chamber ought to be directed against its authors. To ptirsue a contrary conrce tli Chamber, was the next step to organizing ran: n o Messieurs isaid the Keeper of the Seals) the id c i lion is organised—it has its chiefs—its signals — Its pass-words—its.mancuvres. Every pacific n, c;cl ., , he added, had been employed in vain, before :t ,ort ing to force."—[Here he read a passage from a !ti. port addressed to him. by Lieutenant-Gene! al tilt Count Defrance, stating that stones had been thrch. l at the troops, and that amongst the shout, o, the part of the mob, was heard Fiord nos Fier& dr Man chester 1] The Keeper of the Seals proceeded to sta t e, that of the systematic organization of the rebellic n there could be no doubt. M. IttorEvaut ILLS said, the discussion would tate France, and he therefore called for a Se c;v: Committee. This was supported by five Vernb:s. M. B. CONSTANT quoted a letter, stating that writer saw the Cuirassiers cutting down men, wome-, and children, and their Officers encouragiu 6 , them • slaughter, renewed the contagion. M. ConsraNr ;.z length gave up reading the lettes',.and proceeded at some length to arraign the conduct of the Minister, The KEEPEIt of the Sam.s again spoke, for the purpose of contradicting what he called false :tll.l lying accusations. After another scene of confusit-;:1, the Proces-verloat was adopted. The Chamber then resumed the consideration of the Election Project, and proceeded . as far as the la.: Article, when an adjournment took place till Monda.:.. On Monday, as we learn by the following graphic dispatch from Calais, the Project as aseendej, was finally passed into a law by a great majority. s' CALMS, JUNR 13, (11 o'claice, P. DIN " A telegraphic dispatch was rectivod here this evening. ..± eight o'clock, informing us that the famous 1.4 w conceruicl r Elections, has passed the Chamber. For it 152--Agaitist ,•:. Majority in favour of Ministers 57. All was quiet at morning." Of the state of Paris the Journals furnish us . wizli the following particulars : PARIS, JUNE io. • The evening of this clay was unfortunately disturbed hr o• e of those riotous assemblages, the end and motives of alike inexplicable, but the criminal intention"' of which ..re _t too evident. A considerable mob was collected on the 1:-cr.. e yards, between the gale of St. Denis and the gate S. 31znin.— In the midst of cries of " Long live the Charter!" which v. e:e uttered by those misled men, were heard those of 4 DOW :I with the Chambers!" All the efforts made by the Oificentof Poi ze to induce the seditious rabble to disperse were ineffectual. The attempts of the Gendarmerie and of the National Gua-d were likewise useless; stones were thrown, and the Gendarmes were struck. It was found necessary to employ a military for e to disperse a multitude which threatened the more the safety and the property of the citizens, as the night was far advaiwt t!. The General Commanding the First Military Division, 1%;:a went in person to the spot, apprised the sedition' thrice, in a loud voice, that the Cavalry was going to advance. It in fact advanced, and in a few instants the crowd was com pletely disperszd. Fifty of those who composed it were appre hended and conducted to prison. Unfortunately, in the CUE &don inseparable from night operations, and from the resistinze which some of those misguided men dared to make, several per sons were wounded, and oce than was Hied: The Duke cf Itsoctio, who wished to direct the National Guard himself, was thrown from kis horse, and slightly wounded.--Miniteur. Juni 1 L—The tranquillity of the capital was not disturbed yesterday. Numerous bodies of troops were placed on the dif ferent points where meetings of the populace were expected, but no intervention of the armed fame was nettersary. It is now eleven o'dock, and we have not heard of any disturbance.--11,41. [The other Joareab have paragraphs to the same effect.) Five per Cents. Saturday, 74 f. 60 c. Yesterday, at two o'clock, his MAJESTY held his fourth Levee, since his accession to the Throne, at his - Palace in Pall-Mall. The Ktmo first received the Foreign Ambassadors, Ministers, Ike. and those entitled to the privilege of the entre. The Duke de FRIAS, the Spanish Ambassador lately arrived in England, was introduced to his MAJESTY by Lad BATHURST, one of his Mair.sre% principal Secre taries of State, and conducted by Sir ROBERT Crics irtlip the Master of the Ceremonies. His Excellency delivered his credentials, and was most graciously received. The RUSSIAN AMBASSADOR was intro duced to the Kiwo in a similar manner, and au. vered his new credentials to his present MAJESTY, which were most graciously received. Mr. Ruse, the American Minister, was introduced to his Nl. JESTY with the same ceremony. Prince ESTERUAZY, the AUSTRIAN AMBASSADOR, the RUSSIAN AMBAS SADOR, the PORTUGUESE AUBASSADOR, the Duke of DEVONSHIRE, and the Earl of AYLESBURY, came in state. There were present, their Royal Highnesses the Dukes of CLAR exec and GLOUCESTER, the Arch bishop of CANTERBURY, the Cabinet Ministers, the Great Officers of State, and a considerable number of Noblemen and Gentlemen. The Presentations were numerous. His MAJESTY afterwards gave au diences to the Duke of Yoftic, the Duke of WaLiano , TON, Mr. CANNING, and Viscount MELBOURNE. Yesterday Prince LEOPOLD gave a Grand Dinner to the Duke of MCATROSE, and a large party of Noblemen and Gentlemen, at Marlborough -House. M. N. ROTHSCHILD, Esq. gives a Dinner to-dar, at his country seat, Stamford Hill, to a large arty. of persons of distinction, including several illustrious Foreigners. The Third Battalion of the First Regiment of Guards, under command of C o l one l T owasaim , as seinbled on the Parade, St. James's Park, this morn ing, for the purpose of mounting guard for the day, dressed in their new clothing and white gaiters. The Band was also dressed in their rich uniform, and played several pieces of select music. THE Fosns.—Letters from various parts of the country have been received, ordering the sale cf Exchequer. Bills and India Bonds to a lane amount, and directing the money arising from them to be deposited by the Broke: in the dill'. rent Banks, to cover bills, in consequence of the late heavy failures in Ireland. A considerable depression Iris accord ingly taken place in Exchequer Bills and India Bonds ; the former having fallen (from 10 to !I) premium to par; the latter heft Slis i premium to 13s. The sale of Money Stock tihis stomas haabeen immense. IRISH BA NKS Sir Alesamdtr and Cosipany's Bank, Dan : u We are extremely sorry ne say. that the Rusk of Sir William Alexander sad Oe. of this Cl 7 stoppaL— The following notice was stuck en the 011ee•door this stomas : ' In consequence of the recent failure., tlia -Bask with the most heaftfelt regret, is obliged to mispead Its payments for the present.' " A ran has this day taken place on all the private Backs le this City, but no other failwe b apprtiesded.=—Desilia . .fouraid e Monday. —Announcements to the same effect appear en nil.* rick's Martel:4l 2 *d, and Freeman's Journal. LOVI)ON rrintist an4l published by Levis. Yew:, rickets-' nave, Tempii•itar pier Aar"' 111W1 NT rUMBI SY CEA ,nt . " )RSE Tende -bell receil , th .Propo Fro Contract Faith al b AF tb another . Sob cosh . Nlthei 3 Moor 1111 Prize dike IMMO Ward Igaolootimo N u yi 11 6 1 . 0 T time of th To pi. 1V Aarra BERWI HANTS . ' To his CUMBE DERBY LEICEi OATS, I racks, otentic DORSE • That tl July nett " Tende on or bef be receil Post, th trropel each Fro Tender engaging stated in Contract printed.' should it Troops I the Stan by the Partic these at P.S. Office, b ,• . A OAF u/ dm 16 .1 11 . • ' • • ; ; Sob mop, lib iv , • • T. to. w NY heel 410,0 Moor - Prime sway aad h • 1 Who • av e r brae word to be tow, bad I sew, woo A tlri C 2 2 4 • 45 sosi a - 3 sad Iba fuN ,1,. ^ the gallant General's friend—(Hear, hear, heat). He most know the ground such a body would cover. But the only thing ;his body wanted was—arms. Now the only thing they wished to take from the Army was arms: the men were very good men. As to thc disaffection which was represented as existing in this country, he was convinced there was none but what naturally. arose from witnessing what was, in his opinion, justly considered a system of misgovern ment. There was no disaffection which it required arms to repress. In 1749,•f0ur years after the Pre tender had been in Derby, and in 1792, when the Constitution was to have been upset, 41 positively for the last time of upsetting!" (A laugh)—the Army amounted to nothing like its present numbers.• What, then, was the experience of recent dines whkh justi fied the departure from the old system ? In the City of London, Mr. Alderman Wood had suppressed an insurrection with 30 constables !—(11,-ar)—at Derby a rebellion had been quelled by one Magistrate and an Officer; at Manchester 100,000 of the people had been dispersed by forty flurried (he would not say drunken) Yeomen. As to the blasphemous and se ditious publications, would 11,000 seldier s prevent the people from reading ?—(Hear, hear). If there was no cause of complaint, all the publications that could be addressed to the People would pass un heeded. To take away the matter of complaint was the way of removing discontent ; and while the mat ter remained, he hoped ninety-two thousand, or ninety-two hundred thousand men, would not be able to suppress the voice of the People !—(Hear, hears. Mr. V, FITZGERALD strongly urged the neces sity of maintaining a large force in Ireland in the present disturbed state of the west of that country. In Clare the speedy presence of a military force had prevented the most alarming disturbances ; and into the County of Galway alone one-fourth of the whole number assigned to Ireland had lately been sent, and had been found absolutely necessary for the preser vation of the peace. Mr. W:SMIT H observed, that the propriety of a reduction of the army was always admitted a but the time sever came. A severer satire could not be passed against the mode of govern. ment in Ireland than the necessity for a large military force in that country. The bulk of the people was loyal; but those above the lower ranks were much dissatisfied from the pressure of the public burthens ; and when they found a proposal like die present, that would save half a million;rejected ; from being discontented, they would become hopeless. • Mr. MARTIN (of Galway) would tell the Hon. Gentlemen opposite the reason why be thought a large Standing Army ne cessary. They themselves were in a great degree the arise of its being kept up, by perpetually saying that the Government of the country had no feeling for the suffetings of the myriads that were starving, whilst it was in their power to administer relief. He would gravely ask those Gentlemen whether, by putting such arguments in the mouths of the Radicals, they did not afford them a pretence to meet in arms to depose a 'Government so destructive to the country P—(Metre, hoar, and lasighter.)— lie entreated those Gentlemen, if they wished to do away with the Standing Army, to have dons with such arguments. He entreated them, if they wished for peace, to tell the People that the Government were doing all they could to ad minister relief. He then regretted that questions should have been put to the Chancellor of the Exchequer respecting the propriety o( making advances of money to relieve the dis tress now experienced in the South and West of . Ireland.— As he thought that the motion which be had made from the gallery, in the lest Session of the late Parliament, bad served to recommend the Hon. Gentleman opposite (Mr. Hallam) to his seat, he should make no apology to him for what he had then said. At the same time be must say, that that Hon. Gentleman had given an example bow far a man could be im proved by the company which he kept !—(Laughter).—He con gratulated him on the temper and moderation with which he had spoken I—(Ln:4e-in).—He had never heard a more Consti tutional speech from the batches, or the Gentlemen by whom the Honourable Member was surrounded !--(Laughter).—Bat let him not hope that be should be able to reform them as far as he had been reformed himself. He (Mr. Martin) had never seen a speech more radically reformed, compared with that with which he had expected the Hon. Member would have entertained the House--(Leatester).—lf the mob had been told that the Ilouse were not their legitimate Representatives-- 1 Order, order . I )—if they had been told to come and take Mem bers by the ears and drag them out !—(Gerserol cries ej " Order, order ! ' " chair I"). The SPEAKER here interposed, and observed, that the allu sion just made was contrary to the rules of the House. • Mr. MARTIN said, that if the expression was so offensive, it did not drew much delicacy to sit with one who had made use of it—(Loud calls y' " Chair, chair!") The SPEAKER observed, that he was sure the Honourable Gentleman would thank him for calling him to order, as the ob servation might seem to lave a personal allusion, which he was certain could not be the intention of the Hon. Gentleman. Mr. MARTIN disclaimed any intention of king personal, and apologized if he had transgressed the rules of the House. The House then divided :—For the original number, 101— For the Amendment, 47—Majority, 54. COMMITTER OF SUPPLY. - - - - - The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER moved the Order of the Dal for the House going into a Committee of Supply. Mr. CREEK litY put it to the Right Honourable Getitieman, whether he would at that hour (eleven o'clock) think of dis cussing the Miscellaneous Estimates? The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER replied, that at the Budget would not come on till Monday, it would be at. tended with inconvenience to the public service, if he did not take some votes on account of the Interest of Exchequer Bills, which could lead to no discussion. The following sums were then voted : X 1,092,000 for tie interest of Exchequer Bills on the Irish 'reasury. £410,000 for Exchequer Bills. X13,.500,000 for the Interest of Exchequer Bills niestanding ad unprovided, for isle. £978,000 for the Interest of Exchequer Bills on account of to Public Works and Fisheries. The House resumed, and the Report was ordered so be re ctived on Friday, to which day the Committee o( Ways and Means was postponed. The other Orders were then disposed of, and the House ad journed to Friday. THE E VENING STAR.