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. • . . I * . . • • 1 . j • • • • • 1 I . • . PALMMENTeIRT PROCEEDINGS. . • • . HOUSE OF LORDS, DECEMBER 9. • The Royal Marititt Mutiny BM passed through a Cominii and was reported. Garde''s Divorce Bill was read a first time. • • The Police Bill, the Brandy Bill, and the Fratne-brea.._ were read ,a second time, and committed fbr to-morrow. The London Militia Enlistment Bill, the Sun fire-office Bill, the'Sun Fire Life Insurance Bill, the Dorset-square 'lmprovement Bill, the Montague-square Impreeemeat.Bili,. the Bryacipone i square Improvement Bill, the Irish Illicit DistilLition Bill, the British and With Spirits Interchange Stispenston Bill, and the Irish Peace Preservation Bill, were 'nought up from the Com mons, by Sir WILLIAM cuitTlS, Mr. SHAW LLFZVIPA, Mr. !DLR. and ether Members. and read a first time. Ih r /OLVENT DEBTORS.. • • • The Amendments made by the Commons in I ord REDIS‘ DALI'S Bill for amendiug the Insolvent Act of last Session, were, on his Lordship's motion, agreed tc ; and i Message sent to the -Commons, to state that the Lords .bpd agrted : to the Amend till tomorrow ( this day). HOUSE OF COMMONS. . • • ~ Snittots, Clerk of' the Arraigns, brought tip the Rep Orr of the State of Nee/gate, presented to the fudges at tie OW Bailey by. the Grand Jury . of Middlesex, .which was *Nereid tti be laid oil the table and printed. • • . -• The Irish County Police. Bin; and the Irish Spirit intercourse. Bill, were aevetaliy read h third time, and passed, and ordered' • to be carried to the House of Peeri free the concurrence of their Lordships. • . . tivi Irish Illicit Distillation Bill was read it third time ant passed. • • : Bill • for the Better Security of the Docks, and Ships of. War' at Portimositb, wasiiiad a second time, and admit twilit tonectirow. • • Og tht ntation of the ettmecsr.toamf the EICHEQUIR, the Exchequer Bills Bill was read a - second time and ordered to be citnmitled"to-snorrow. , • : Tbo *use wing resolved -lldelf Into a Committee. upon the ...Act of the 484 of his present Majesty respecting French Wines, • leave was . liven t 6 theCnxiseitLxisa of the Excnteokit to bring in a Bill to remove doubts respecting the Payments of Drawbacks on the Exportation of French Wines. Mr: CotteTNIY brought up the Report of she Committee or Supply, which was read and agreed, to. A Messenger from the House of Lords announced, that their Lerdsiiipa had *greed to the amendments adopted by the'Omie; mans m the Insolvent Delmore Act. Amendment Bill, /Mont' - • ' any alterations. • The East India Shipping Tim Was read a third time', and passed. • _ Mr. HARVEY said, no provision bad been made hitkertn for the Preservation of certain descriptions of Wild Fowl, and the Decoys in widish they were osu . ally caught. The flocks 111 wild fowl which v!sited various districts of England during ek. Winter time were become a valuable kind of property, and Ought to be secured from premeditated or casual molestation ; be would, therefore, , propose to introduce a Bin for the Beuer, Preservation of Wi ll Fowl. • Leave was given, the Bill was brought up, read a first time, and ordered to be read a seemid time on the sd day of March,. INDIA-DUTY BILL. • '• The CHANCELLOR of the F.XCHEQU'EIt moved the order of the day for -the third reading of the East-India Duty Bill. Mr. FAWCEI' complained that the clause in the Bill whichtegulated the mode of collecting the duties at the outports, assumed that the Officers o> would be well acquainted With the valoe..of 'all de. scription of goods which arrived ; this he considered as a serious hardship imposed on the Officers, and he doubted much if they would be found so fully quell- Sed as the clause had contemplated. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said he hr'ped the House would not eonsider his con. duct as disrespectful if he passed over all the Hon. Member's observations in silence. He apprehended that the House would concur with him in the clause wh;ch he was about to propose for the prevention of the illicit importation of teas, and should further en actments on that subject be found necessary, they would be submitted to the consideration of Parlia ment. He proposed therefore to introduce a clause, by way of rider to the Bill, ordering A deseription'to be given of all boxes or packets of goods or mercb.an dize shipped from India, to be delivered by the Pro prietor into the hands of the maitervol the vessels on board of which they were transmitted' to England. This motion was complied with, and the clause ordered to be added, upon which the Bill w a s read a third time. EAST INDIA CIRCUITOUS TRADE BILL. _ _ On the order for going into the Committee, Mr. GRANT rose to state his apprehensions of the consequences likely to result from the proposed change of system in carrying on an East-India trade, upon which it had been the settled opinion and prac ' tice that it should centre in the mother country. On the opening of the discussions respecting the Com pany's charter,' be had, as far as his abilities permit ted, expressed his objections to the intended deviation' from the established system. The principle of this Bill went to break down the ancient policy. In his apprehension, it would diminish the intercourse of this country with the East Indies; while at the same time it would increase the intercourse of the East-In dia merchants with the other pat is of the world. He could not see that the Bill prevented ships, after clearing out in this country for India, from carrying i on trade in other countries to a great extent ; at any I rate, they might return home in ballast. There was no probability that the manufactures or trade of 1 Great Britain could be promoted by this measure ; but he feared that the trade of other countries would be benefited. Ourtnanutacturers could hope for so 1 extension by it, since North and South America, and particularly the Brazils, received British goods al ready by other means. Under this new system, might not ships go out to India merely in ballast!— This might enrich persons in India, but how could it advance the interests of Great Britain ? The profits would rest with the India merchants. He could not see how the carrying trade was to be secured to us; nor what was to prevent the Spanish merchants from coming over here from South America, settling here with a view to the East-India trade, and carrying away many of its advantages. We should enjoyless of the trade in East-India products to America and other parts, while the American traders would em brace the opportunity of trading in Indian imports with the North of America and the West Indies—a trade which should always be supplied from Great Britain al-ne. It was a proper provision to preient ships from touching at the islands, &c. on their re turn to England ; since otherwise they might make their depots at those places. The tendency of the Bill, lie repeated, was to take away the trade from the mother country. It should be recollected that it Naas by a course of this sort that our American colo nies were in a great degree enabled to shake off the' dependence upon Great Britain ; and the effect would be to render the Yndia merchants less dependent s,,me persons, he feared, were at once fey a direct ' ..:.rornerce between the East Indies and Foreign Eu- w - , • rope. After having succeeded in overturning a syi" pmate body, to - Which'tt mint te natoiatly auppriesar tem which had lasted two centuries, with great ad" hevas so much attached. He had argued it entirely vantage to the Country, thefliiitetapw.prdieeding to on British interests. ..! .. . .. i take of. all remaining resetietions 'and limitations, Mr. R. THORNTON was glad that the Noble' and to alter the ancient policy andproctice more and Lord had, by his alteratial •in the Bill, removed a more. This would. certainly be dangerous. The very serious objection, which he should have other only foreigners of late who traded with India were wise felt it necessary to urge. The East India Com. the Americans and the Portuguese; but America . pany had a very strong objection to that part of the was strictly entitled to trade for no more than for.her Bill ; neither were they very partial to the concession. own consumption, and not circuitously to a.iyforeign which was now to be made to British merchants, of ports whatever. Akfor the Portuguese. they had pos. allowing them to embark in the coasting or carrying Kissed establishments in.lndia antecedent to our own, trade of India. Them knew that the merchants were and were entitled to their privileges._ He understood to be allowed to go from port to port in India, for the they had made Goa a sort of free port. The original purp6se of disposing of their cargoes, or collecting grants from the natives of India to the Europeans freight ; but they conceived that the coasting trade for their settlements in India. were only for their own should be left to the 'country ships.' Although he ,particular trade, such as those for instance to France, was not much alarmed at the present Bill, he con.' but they were not authorized to admit other nations,. fessed that he did feel alarm at what had fallen from to trade in the ports assigned to them; and they I the Noble Lord as to the Measures that he might ought to be placed again on the same footing, if per- propose at a future time. He hoped that evil, how. mitted to resume their settlements in . the East. If ever, would never arrive ; .and while he thanked the we admitted the Americans to trade there, where ~ Noble Lord for the liberality he had shewn upon t* they had no ports of their own, we should restrict present occasion, he trusted, that it would be an en. them in the exercise of that trade. Foreigners should eouragement to him to continue that liberality. • be so regulated as not to do harm to our interests on 7 Mr. FINLAY thought it evident that the capital the 'return of ' peace. The advantage enjoyed. by •of the East India Company was not sufficient to era. America had arisen from_ her .neutral character dur- brace the whole trade of India, as well as China ; ing aar, and her access, in conseonenie, to foreign and that it therefore stood to reason that the British ports, *WA were slat - -:est ue. '- was sure that merchants should be allowed to embrace that part of _ _ .._ against , He our old system possessed advantages for this cotai.: jit isrhichthe COmpany was noteq * nal to. When this I try much superior to any that was proposed itt Its kras-permitted to them, he thoughrthat they should stead. The neutrality of America was the chief' Lave the same facilities that foreiguert had for carry. cause of her extensive trade. If any scheme was-. mg on the trade. He denied that it was on account aflopted for laying open the trade, as some persons of her neutral character that America had of late wished, the Mother country would wirer sertously by years traded so extensively to I, While most of _ _ it ; and he foresaw noixissible caw in which mini: factures or commerce would be increased by it. If the old system remained. we should, on the contrary, find ourselves, on the return of peace, possessed of all our adoittnages, from the variety and excellence of our assortments, which attracted numbers of buyers to this country from Foreign Europe. If India goods could be carried to the North and the South, without being brought here first; we could not expect the fo- India. the po#ts of Eurtipe *Ea - Under French contr4 - they Were diut against Angaricaniships . laden with India produce, as much as against British ships. The great advantage which the Americans, possessed, wit:, in their being at liberty to embark in the trade to India with ships of whatever burthea they thought proper, and which they might send at whatever time was most convenient. He was convinced that the de priving British merchants of those facilities for car. reign dealeis to come here. There were many inci. dental advantages to our manufactures, generally from these forei buyers comi here for In. rying on the trade which foreigners enjoyed; was not the way to make this country the emprium of the India trade 'There was no ' = ten For bin& he. ssas au amsrehensien that no' safe landing-place cou ld immediately be found fur them ; andrthat bad wea. then might come on in the mean time, which might do great mischief en kn open and dangerous coast._ But the arrival of this part of the expedition hasanti. cipatea the bad weather ; and the submission of G. Me and Helvoer, the news of which has been just received, provides safe and proper harbours for the other divisions as they arrive. Before the receipt of this news, the importance of providing harbours fo r the British troops was felt sct strongly, that Major. General Taylor and Lieutenant-Colima Barclay were preparing to proceed this very . .d,sy; 4o make se attempt on ;hose places, with such a force as they could form from the marines and . Volunteer names • of the Jason, and the Dutch - GERMAN PAPERS. ELBERFIELD. NOVEMBER i 1. -The Russian Major-General Pusefowits has p:4. tithed here the following General Order : " COMBINED ARMY 08 SILESIA. Auvanced.guard of the Sth Carpi of the Rattan Amy. 64 Since my entrance into this city, the troops under my orders have taken possession of the capital of the Grand Dachy of Berg, as well as of the small peu skin of the country rhich was not previously - —-- - - —, g ui -- 1 1 occu. pied,,, Every whesr ve received proofselthetuod sentimenu which animate the inhabitant.: of theGiuud Duchy, and k shall be one of my most agreeabl . c.. duties to render a favourable report of them to my superiors. " In the men time, the - litettitoted authorities wit.! •e4ntinue, till farther instructions, to exercise thei: :functions as before, but in Subordination - to the 'Com ,missary-Generall and they mast henceforward breaki connections with the French authorities, from whorn'they must receive: neither orders not message.; nor transmit to them any money." • CARLSRUNt. NOVEMBER IL The: garrison of Strasburg sends out (faggot N. troles and reconnoissances along the right the the bank_ village of Kehl is Rhine. The destruction of irrevocably fixed. arising . ign ping CARLSRUHE, NOVEMBER el. din goods, as it induced them to purchase a variety of English products. The Noble Lord would pre- The King of Bavaria arrived here this af t ettloon from Frankfort. His Majesty was received under a bably endeavour to thew that he had adopted the true medium between the disadvantages of either extreme; salute of 100 pieces of cannon, and flighted at the but he. (Mr. Grant)eiewed the Bill attending to di- palace oldie Margravitw, whets the Queen of Bavaria minish our commerce. - , is expected to-morrow, who is coming to see her au. Lord CASTLEREAGH intended to propose gust mother. . - - • some alterations in the Bill, which would consider. APPEAL TO THE PEOPLE OP BADEN. ably narrow the present question. Although the e Conformably to the example of my august grand. Hon. Gentleman (Mr. Grant) had laid down some father, I made it my inviolable duty to labour for general principles against what he apprehended might the welfare and happiness °fluty subjects, and to se. be proposed in tutore, yet he did not understand him cure the preservation of the State of Baden. I res to feet any alarm about the present measure. He garded as sacred the engagements which the late had already stated, that at some future time it was Grand Duke had contracted with France, by enter. probable that a more extended measure would be ing into the Confederation of the Rhine ; because I subtracted to the consideration of the Haase ; but in hoped that by religiously-fulfilling them I should lay the present state of the Sesiion he should not think it the foundation of the tranquillity of my people, and quite fair to bring forward a question about which of the preservation of my count r y : an d t h oug h t h e there ihustiuturally be a great diversity of opinions. misfortunes of a long war, in which, in pursuance of He should therefore at present propose, that the Ca. existing engagements with France, it became neces. narks, the Cape de Verd Islands, and the Island of sary to join a considerable corps of troops; to the Madeira, should be excepted from this Bill, and that - French armies, as well as the privation of an coat. those words should be struck out of it. He, however, merce did considerable in inry to the country , yet my himself entertained no fear that any depots could only consolation arose from the hope that peace have been established in those islands sufficient to would one day furnish me with the means of indem. compete with the great emporium of the trade which nifying my people for all that they had suffered.— it was wished to confine to this country. Having , ' DIVINZ PROYIDJU4Ct i which holds in its hands the consented to this alteration, he thought that this Bill fate of nations and of armies, has snatched the co could not be rejected, unless it wasehonght wise to lours of victory from the French, and confided them undo all that the Legislature had thought proper to to the Allied Armies, who fight for the cause • enact last Session, with respect to the trade to India. - . Germany. From the banks of the Elbe to those :As to the generel principles laid down by the Hon. HOLLAND. the Rhine, the Allied Powers are advancing, widow Gentleman, he could not entirely agree with him.—.. - obstacle, and preceded by victory. the Hon. Gentleman had argued the question of the HAGUE DECEMBER 5. 44 When I saw the theatre of war approach and trade with India as if it were a colony. The prin. The Jason frigate, owing to constant head-wind s , threaten my states, I made a last attempt to sect: ciples, however, of colonial policy had never been I and having four transports with arms, under convoy, their safety and repose, I endeavoured to obtain extended to our empire in the East, nor had it been did not arrive here until the day before yesterday.— ftom the Emperor of. the French the neutrality of the considered in the light of a colony. We had allowed I Lord Yarmouth, General Taylor, Colonel Fagel, , country of Baden, in the hope that the Allied Powers -foreigners the liberty of trading with our subjects in ' (Aide-de -Camp to the Prince of Orange), Lieute. would assent thereto; but the attempt was not sue the East, and, we had allowed them the privilege of nenteColonel Barclay, Mr. Irving, M. P. Mr. Ge- cessiul; and as I cannot establish the tronquillity of commerce to a greater extent than ever was granted , vers (a Dutch Gentleman), and Captain King, of my States on this foundatien. I see myself in circum to a colony. e ln speaking on the general policy, the , the Jason, formed the first party to the Hague. The stances to enter into allia,nce with the Powers at war Hon. Gentleman seemed to consider it a great evil Prince of Orange arrived here on Tuesday last, and with France, and coalesced against her, and to make for British Merchants to be allowed to trade froth was received with open arms by all ranks ; on Thurs. common cause with them. The preservation of the one foreign state to another, or for foreign merchants day he went to Amsterdam, where he was received country of Baden, the liberty and independence of to settle in this country under the protection of ou r with ev e ry mark of attachment from an immense Germany, are now, therefore, the important end laws, for the purpose of carrying on a general corn. collection of people of all ranks and descriptions : which we must exert ourselves to attain, and which coerce, which might ultimately centre in a foreign he has been proclaimed Prince Sovereign. His ar. we have reason to expect from our union with state. He, however, totally differed from this opinion, rival was most apropos, as every department was in high Allied Powers.. I must not conceal from you. and thought that it would be most for the advantage the greatest contusion for want of A government and ! that our geographical position, as bordering upoe of British commerce, that the British Merchants a head. We are in hopes things may now shortly France, renders, our country a point of main impu re ' should have equal advantages to any foreigners in .he brought into some order, as he is exerting himself. I :ince. relatively to the other allied States of Germany; carrying on their general trade in the manner 1 The French are universally detested by all classes; ! and consequently requires all the eecrifices coin• that appeared to them the most profitable. — 1 and I cannot express how delighted I was to find that I mended by the necessity of defending your country. It was natural fur the Honourable Gentleman to feel (I may almost say) the English were as universally , your houses, and your families ; end that thus yon strongly for the interest of that Company of which he : adored. Our landing was most gratifying, the people ' will be conme to exert all- your efforts, to coati had been one of the most . able servants. ,He should, running to sh a ke h an d s w i t h u s, and re ce i v i ng us 1 bete, on our lid% to the establishment of a general however, look at the question in a nationale and not , with every mark of joy ; being hitherto in constant peace, and of a political equilibrium which may insure a corporate point of view. The cor p orate body hadrexpectation of the French, returning, Who are now Its duration ; and which, by protecting the liberty . been treated most liberally by /be Legislature, in `, within 15 miles, and from whom they' have nothing, commerce, may give new activity to national iildOllff being allowed the exclusive commerce with C hina ; ' should they ever return, to eepect•but the most hot- and make the prosperite of the country to spring op and it -certainly was the intention of the 'Legislature. rid oppressions. A very oldman, on my landing in . agaib that as to the trade with India, the merchants of this uniform, seized me by the hand, and _exclaiming in ; " Inhabitants of the Duchy of Baden, • place cote country should have a full participation and equal fa. broken English, " GOD ALMIGHTY-bless the English," fidence in, your Prince : may the defence of your cilities for carrying it on. The trade to Indi a h a d burst into tears, and walked away. There is not a country, and of the liberty of Germany, inflame your not been particularly profitable to the Company; and family almost in the country of any description, hearts with a holy enthusiasm for the general goo d . he thought they should readily agree to a fair parti. ; which has n o t t o regret the loss of their nearest rela. and inspire you with a glorious zeal to -present your• cipation of it. The question was not so much about tions e taken off by the co nscr ip t i ons . I t i s i mposs ibl e selves voluntarily under the colours of your country, the emporium of the trade, as it was that the British I for me to specify the acts I, have already heard, of and to follow the fine example of your broth e rs in merchants at home and abroad should have equal fa- I cruelty and depression that individuals have buffeted arms, of the Grand Duchy, who have preceded yon cilities in carrying on their trade as foreign merchants , from the French. They are delighted when tie y f a many years in the career of honour. The fi end were actually possessed of. He did not wish to make' find that their children, who have been taken a + :,y of my people, I will every where participate with y ea those facilities greater, as he was convinced that the .by the consc r ipti on are made prisoners either by the the dangers of war, till a durable peace shall p rocure true spirit of commerce was to' be found only i n f a i r 'Alli es or t h e E ng lish: me the happiness of confirming your prosperity for Competition ; ,and that wh atever w a s serviceable to General Bulow arrived here yesterday with some the future, and of sheltering the tranquilli t y the general interests of commerce, would also be of hi s St a ff, from his head-quarte r s at U trec h t ; a l so country from every storm. (Signed) 4 ‘ ctiARLES. II found to be most conducive to the interests of the ftri. the Russian Gener f Pfh u l. G enera l l3 en k en d or f is 1 " Carlsruhe, Nov. so, tins." tish merchants. He did not wish, at the present pe- hourly expected. On his a rr i va l I ma k e no doubt I TRENT, NOVEMBER S. of the riod of the Session, to propose a measure which ex . they will h o ld a consu l tat i on on what is best to be General Hillier has this day issued a Proclimatien tended as far as his own impressions went of w h at don e , an d w ill t h en i m m ed i ately return to their ar- to the Italians, which, after noticing the splendid vic ought ultimately to be d one . If, therefore, the re was mi es . Th e two f ormer Generals, Lord Clencarty, tories of Leipsic, an d lhe advance of the Allied Ar no serious objection to what was now proposed, he ' General Taylor, and Lieutenant-Colonel Barclay, sales to Frankfort, proceeds as follows : thought it better to- allow the present bill to pass, I with the Officers accompanying General Bulow, and 1 44 People of Italy !—Such are the effect of unite'. without fighting by anticipation those batiks which a number of Dutch gentlemen, dined yesterday with It has been the sole means of deliVerar.ce ; and it is might be produced by emeasures to be proposed in ' the Prince. only when nations and Monarchs have toughs ether future. HAGUE, DECEMBER 6, a deep ireasion of this truth; that the Awilein . Mr. GRANT, in explanation denied that he had lam ver •Follow this example, and by -Majer-Gen. Cooke, are novelanding. I to inform - you, that the Guards, has blessed their efforts' argued the question on colonial ' principles : neither comman ded h a ppy had he this night adverted to the interests of the con- Th e i e ar 4 wand is Ca' rty. wag most timely and gratifying. 'rhete dressed you,. the army of which the con: enter into this sacred alliance.. Since I formerly ad- occasion for o. .ting tl British merchants to return immeciiately to this coun try; for every British merchant would naturally feel desirous to return to Britain, unless his commercial interests sip:mid detain him abroad. Mr. ROBINSON observed, that the Americans that traded with our poisessions in India, were ob.' liged to give bonds that they would return directly' home. He thought that the voyages of British mer chants. to India. should terminate as wellas commence 'in this country. He did not perceive any limits that were to be put to the duration of oue of those circuit ous voyages, or that it was absolutely required that 'the vessel should ever retuin to this country. . Alderman ATKINS -was proud to see that tEis likely to wend the intercourse to India through British shipping. . .He thought. theNuble- Lord had most accurately laid down the bile princi ples which should guide the practicalmercharte as well as the statesman. If, in order to gain exeiusist advantages, we were to lay on duties, or embarrass the trade of foreigners, they might. Ais9 l ay ou COO ter-duties ; and in this manner the gesaeral interests 'of commerce might be injured, without our obtaining those advantages which the fair principle of cornieu.. dbn might ensure to us. After a few observations from Mr. FA.Vverrr, and. , awn, other Gentlemen, the Bill went into the Com.. 'anittee, where some alterations Were made in it, and the report was ordered to be brought up to-morrow. —Adjourned. •••••••11•11=1•4........§.•