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II I I I ... I : i i r 1 `1 . 1. 4 t 4 , i AL , °IF .1 I 1. rrissionera of the Holyhtim: from a given period to the pre. nut time. ...... . A person presented at the bar a copy of the Fourth Report of the Commirtionen for the Metropolis Turnpike roads. Mr. Pvston. from the India House, presented at the bar a list of the Hong intachant•, carrying on trade between China and the East India I.kasipany. Tin. Earl of MALMESBURY said their lordships probably recollect that he had on a former day moved for returns re. li.ti• gto tile county rates. The returns could not be completed in teastivience of the acting treasurer for the western division re. ruiing In nbcy the order of the house. The noble earl then moved •• 03.4 he be ordered to attend at their lordships' bar on Monday nt greed to. The Duke of RICHMOND presented a petition from an indi. vicilal relating to parochial returns. The Duke of DEVONSHIRE presented a petition from a place in Inland, complaining of distress, and praying relief. The Marquis of BUTE presented a petition from Cardiff; in fa. %cur of a free trade to India and China. Lord GOWER presented a petition from Newcastle-under-Lyne, zgainst the practice of climbing boys to sweep chimneys. The Earl of SHAFTESBURY presented a petition from Chip pirg Norton, for a revision of the criminal code. A petition against the punishment of death for forgery from Boston. was presented by a peer whose title we could not ascertain. The Marquis of CLEVELAND presented several petitions from the lead miners of Yorkshire, Durham, and Northumberland, pray ing the imposition of an additional duty on foreign lead and lead ore imported. The noble marquis represented the situation of the petitioners as being truly distressing. The noble marquis likewise presented petitions from Stockton-on-Tees, Barnard Castle, and another place in the county of Durham, against the renewal of the East India Company's charter. Mr. Legh Keck, Sir W. Freemantle, Sir W. Ingilby, and other members of the House of Commons, brought up three private bills. —Read a first time. _ The private bills on the table were then advanced one stage, some read a third time, others passed through committees. The order requiring the attends-ice of the witnesses examined on Friday last on the East Retford Bill, on the motion of the Marquis of SALISBURY, was discharged. The noble MARQUIS then moved the order of the day for calling in Council on that Bill.—Agreed to. Counsel having appeared at the bar, The first witness called in and examined was Mr. Wm. Evans— He was the candidate for the years 1818 and 1820, to represent East Retford in Parliament. Had no previous connection with the bo rough. Deposited 3,0001. with 3lr. Kippae in the year 1818. He believes the object of depositing this money was, that it might be known that he had plenty of money. Mr. Thornton, his agent, told him that the electors expected to be paid 20 guineas each, se. cording to the custom of former elections. In the election of 1818 he expended 4,4001. On the witness having been called on to produce a paper alluded to as a list, in his own hand-writing, of the voters whom he had paid, he appealed to the consideration of the house to spare him the necessity of complying with this requisition. His situation was most painful for any gentleman to be placed in, to be thus required to give testimony against a borough which he had twice represented in Parliament. Whatever might have been the demerits of the electors, they had been faithful to him, and deserved any thing at his hands rather than an accusation of corruption. This appeal gave rise to a long and desultory discussion on the question of evidence, between Lords Durham, Holland, Malmes bury, Rosalyn, and the Chancellor, the result of which was, that direct allusion to the produced list was waived. By a series of subtle questions, however, the Counsel against the borough extracted the contents of this important paper, which proved to be a list of the names of those who had voted for the witness, to the number of 128, all of whom had been paid by his agent Thornton at the rate of 20 guineas a man. Witness had advanced 2,7001. to the latter agent. The number of London voters who had been paid had been 26. Witness believed he had sent Mr. Ward, his London agent, 6001. or 700 L to pay the voters. Various other documents were here read, and acknowledged by th witness, which went to establish similar facts in the elec. tion of 1820. One letter mentioned twelve as the number of independent, otherwise unpaid, electors who had given him their support. The witness, when asked why he did not present ' himself to the electors of Retford on the last election, said that reflection on the circumstances of the former elections had prevented him. A ft er a serious consideration on the corrupt expedients to which he had been o'ilipd to resort, and on the advice of a friend— The LORD CHANCELLOR.—Did it require the advice of a friend ? Witness continued—He had decided that such proceedings were too improper and indefensible to be again had recourse to. The examination of the witness here terminated, and the fur ther proceedings in the cue were adjourned till next Monday.— Adjourned. HOUSE OF COMMONS--MONDAY. The gallery was opened for the admission of strangers, some time before four o'clock, and was immediately crowded to excess by per sons of the Hebrew persuasion, and also a great number of licensed victuallers. BIRMINGHAM PETITION. Mr. E. DAVENPORT said that he had received a letter from the right hon. secretary (Mr. Peel intimating that in consequence of the serious illness of a near relative, he (Mr. Peel) should be unable to attend in his place that night. He (Mr. E. D.) therefore, rose for the purpose of intimating to the house, that in consequence of the absence of the right hon. gentleman, be should postpone the presentation of the petition from the inhabitants of Birmingham, for Parliamentary Reform, until that day se'nnight (Monday next.) The SPEAKER, accompanied by several Members, proceeded to the House of Lords, to hear the Royal Assent given by commission to several bill, —"For which see Lords.] Sir THOMAS GOOCH moved the third reading of the South. weld Harbour BilL Mr. WODEHOUSE, Mr. RUhIBOLD, and another Member, presented petitions against the nomination of the persons named as commissioners in the bill. Mr. HUME moved as an amendment, that the bill be read a third time that day six months. Mr. C. BARCLAY and Sit T. GOOCH supported the bill. After a short debate, the house divided— For the third reading For the amendment • . 54 . 22 . -32 Majority The bill was then reads third time. After a few words from Mr. HUME, Mr. GOOCH, and Sir J. NEWPORT, the bill was read a third time and passed. Mr. RIDLEY COLBORNE, as chairman of the Committee on the Limerick County Election, informed the house that the Committee had decided that Mr. Standish O'Grady war not duly elected, and Mr. James Massey Dawson was duly elected, and that the petition or the answer to it were neither frivolous nor vexa. tious. Sir JOSEPH YORKE gave notice that be would, to-morrow, present a petition from the Waterloo Bridge Company, in favour of 1 a road being opened from the Strand to Tottenham-court-road. I Sir E. KNATCHBULL presented several petitions from Kent, complaining of agricultural distress, and against the beer bill. SEEK BILL. Mr. BRA MSTON presented a petition from a hundred in Es. sex, and one from the brewers of Saffron Walden, against the beer bill. Mr. PORTMAN said he wished to put a question to the bon. gentleman opposite, which was of considerable importance to the country. The question arose from a statement which was supposed to be official, and one which, if true, would be likely to prevent a very great degree of excitement throughout the country, with respect to the beer bill, and If it were not true, he would Implore his ma jesty's government to reconsider the steps they were taking. The question was, whether it was the intention of government so to alter the bill as to prevent the beer sold by these publicans who were to take out licence from the Excise from being drunk any where but on the promises of the sellers ? Mr. GEORGE DAWSON, in reply to the question of the hon. member, would say, that it was nut the intention of government to alter what bad been recommended by the committee, and that it was to be understood that the beer was to be sold and consumed on the premises. If any alteration were allowed, the government thought that it would have the effect of completely nullifying their design of throwing open the sale of beer for immediate co nsum . Mr. EATHCOTE suggested the propriety of acceding to a paltion already brought before the house by the magistrates of Socishire—namely, that no person should be permitted to sell beer unless he had certificates, of good conduct, and would find sureties for his observance of it. This would prevent persons of bad character from being allowed to become retailers, and that would obviate many of the difilcukies that now st ood in the way. Mr. lIENETT always understood that the beer was to be con. wined on the premises, and to that he saw no objection, if a rule were laid down that the houses wan to be shut up early at night, and not to be allowed tn,open until reasonable hour in the morn. lag. He could see no lesson why the poor man should not have an opportunity of ;ping to such haws.* those proposed either to take his dinner or esesper,.on leavingltis work; and the only thing to be looked to was the preventli* of late hours. Mr. DAWSON begged to say thulium@ wore voodoos and sag. gestions whit* were gifted Sarno tworouittee, and that it was not timely 1 bring times incidontally a petitions. Tits peti was dun ordered to Lisa the table, and be printed. cootie - NVENLYSS presented in poitipie hem the county di Fife, and two from the county of Forfar, against an inclose of the duty on home-made spirits. a C d aztii o n n MAITLAND ted a petition from the county of H to the same eObet Mr. W. DUNDAS presented four petitions from various classes of persons in Edinburgh, with a similar prayer. Mr. BASTARD presented a petition from the licensed victual lers of Stowehouse, against the beer bill. Mr. BURNELL presented a petition from Brighton, to the same effect. Lord STANLEY presented five petitions from Lancashire, and one from ein Sussex, to the same eff e ct. Lord S TANLEY , presented a petition from a place in Lan cashire, in favour of the bill before the house, for the abolition of the system of paying wages by truck. Mr. BRIGHT supported the prayer of the petition. A Hon. Member read a letter, to show the extent to which them evils had been carried on in the county of Cork. Mr. O'CONNELL hoped it was not intended to assimilate Ire land to England, with respect to the truck system. The petition was brought up, and laid on the table. Lord STANLEY presented a petition from the proprietors of stage-coaches, against the stage-coach act. He took this opportu nity of asking the Chancellor of the Exchequer, whether lie in. tended to introduce any new measure to steam carriages. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that it being his intention to bring in a bill to consolidate the duty as to the stamp acts, these duties would come under consideration ' • and there would be a clause which would pla ce c arr i ages , w h e t h er drawn by horses or propelled by steam, upon an equal footing. . The petition was brought up and laid on the table. Mr. MUNDAY presented a petition from Derby, praying that that part of the Beer Bill allowing tipling in every house, might not pass into a law. Mr. EGERTON presented a petition from Stockport, against the abolition of the jurisdiction of Chester; also a petition from Stock port against the East India monopoly. Mr. CURTEIS presented a petition from Foot's Cray, in Kent, against the Beer Bill. Mr. HODSON presented a petition from Wigan, for the repeal of the duties on beer. Mr. LIDDELL presented a petition from the shipowners of New.' castle interested in the coal trade, complaining of a tax called the Richmond One Shilling, levied solely on the river Tyne. Mr. LIDDELL presented a petition from North Shields against the punishment of death for forgery. Sir JAIIF.S MACKINTOSH said that at whatever time the Forgery Bill might be read, he or some friends better qualified than himself, would, on the occasion of the motion for the Speaker to leave the chair, move that there be an instruction to the committee to receive certain mitigatory amendments of the bill. He should be happy to consult the convenience of all parties by not bringing it forward on Wednesday, if some other early day were appointed ; but if no hope of that sort were held out to him, he was afraid he should be under the necessity, however unpopular it might be, of bringing it forward on that day. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said, that he wu In such a situation that he could not make any promise. Mr. HUME moved for the following returns :—An account of the number of officers of the Royal Academy of Woolwich, the salaries to the officers, expense of the establishment, &c a re turn of all articles imported from British postessions to the East of the Cape of Good Hope on which a larger duty is charged than on the same articles from other possessions; a return of the number of registers in Scotland, in what places they are kept, Su. a return of the emoluments of the Clerks of the Peace in each county in Scotland during the last ten years, specifying whether the duties were discharged by deputy, &c. Mr. 11UME presented a petition from the shipowners of Aber. deen, complaining of clauses in the Lord Advocate's bill, which de. clued the removal of the Admiralty Court, and praying that the house would not destroy the local jurisdictions. Mr. HUME presented a petition from G. and W. Emery, of the county of Somerset, against the beer bill. Mr. DENISON presented a petition from Epsom, stating that if the beer bill passed into a law, with the clause which permitted drinking beer in the houses, most serious evil would ensue. He did hope that, when the bill came into a committee, such regulations would be adopted as would secure the country from the exhibition of manes of drunkenness from one end of the kingdom to the other. Sir W. GUISE presented a petition from the proprietors of pub lic-houses, in the neighboerhood of Stroud, against any alteration in the licensing system. The hon. baronet made some observations which did not reach us. Mr. SLANEY concurred in the views of the hon. baronet. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said he was anxious that there should be a general power of entering into the beer trade, without restriction as to drinking on the premises or not. When the bill was committed, he should be glad to have the opinions of those who might feel interested in the matter. Lord MILTON said that the hon. gentleman was desirous of in. clueing the house to take a step, before they had maturely consi. dered what would be the results of that step. Sir WILLIAM GUISE presented three petitions, one from Stroud and another from Madsworth, in Gloucestershire, praying for an alteration in the laws of forgery, so as to do away with ca. pita punishments. The third was from a parish in the same county, complaining of distress--Laid on the table. Mr. LITTLETON presented several petitions, two from the licensed victuallers and freeholders of Huntingdonshire (as we un derstood) against the beer bill, and the others from the tradespeople and workmen in the iron-works of Shropshire, in favour of that bill and against the truck system. On a suggestion from the CHANCELLOR of the EXCHE. QUER, that this being one of the two nights of the week, which by a general understanding in the House were to be given to the ' government public business, a conversation arose among several members, who had their names down for petitions and other business, but who gave way upon the understanding that they would have precedence next night, in the order In which they stood upon the paper in the Speaker's hands. Mr. BRIGHT withdrew his notice of motion for to-morrow, re. 'petting the French claims. Mr. H. GRANT postponed to Monday, the 17th insc the se cond reading of the Jews Relief Bill, the Chancellor of the Ex. chequer having promised to give him precedence that day. Mr. HUSKISSON also postponed the motion which he had, and said he would take his chance for it some other night. Mr. O'CONNELL also yielded, and postponed his motion to the I2th instant, but he hoped that the Chancellor of the Exche quer would not persevere in taxing his impoverished country. He then gave notice that, on Wednesday next, he would move for co pies of the depositions and notes of the Judges, on the trial of Ed mund Conner, and others, charged with the Doneraile conspiracy. Sir JOHN NEWPORT moved for the amount of moneys paid into the First Fruits Office of Great Britain and Ireland, for the last ten years. He also gave notice of a motion to reduce the legacy duty upon legacies to near relations, to one half ; and to compen sate to the revenue for that, he would suggest an increase on the duty on powers of attorney to receive dividends and collect rents. Mr. FYLRR presented a petition from a number of the inha bitants of the borough of Leominster, against capital punishment in cases of forgery.—Laid on the table. SUPPLY._ The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER moved the Order of the Day for going into the Committee of Supply. Mr. R. OORDt tN said that to persons unacquainted with the mode of proceeding in the house, it would appear extraordinary in what way the public money was to be extravagantly lavished. Any casual observer of the disgust of some and the absence of many members of that house, whenever a question of supply came on, would find some difficulty in reconciling those circumstances with the sympathy, with the interests of the people which some anions admirers of the constitution were apt to attribute to the House of Commons. The honourable member then complained of the tore in which the exertions of his ben. friend the member for Aberdeen I were spoken of. and proposed that the estimates should be referred to a committee up stairs, instead of being considered in a com mittee of the whole house. He then complained of the item for Public Works in the Miscellaneous Estimates, which he contended could only be investigated in a Select Committee. In the same esti. mate were the charges for Windsor, which at the present moment, feeling would dictate the referring that subject to a Committee rather than to discuss it in that house. But his Majesty's Ministers were responsible for the outlay of money which been devoted to the alterations of Windsor Castle. The sum first called for by Lord Goderich was 300,0001. and they had now voted 800,0001. and were called upon to vote an additionnal 100,0001. The original sum was therefore trebled already, and he understood it was expect. ed that 1,900,000 L would be required to complete the contemplated works. (Hear, hear.) He thought, then, that this was a case in which inquiry was necessary, and he would ask whether such an in quiry could now properly take place in a Committee of the whole house. The next item which he thought called for investigation was the vote for building churches in the West Indies. Then the fees taken in the public offices was a subject upon which no satisfac tory explanation had ever been given. Six of the items in the fifth paper related to the colonies, and therefore necessarily involved the whole question of whether the colonies ought not to me made to pay their own expenses. Amongst the rest was a charge for Sties Le one, respecting which be trusted that a full investigation would take place. and that the Government would find itself strong ensw# Tgive up the establishment If It were found to be sec Imp/epee OM here was an item of 18,0061. for the Social for this ass et the gospel in the colonies, and upon that object the bless amid during the last sixteen no less a sum than MAIN. Ups all these grounds he Bled upon the beau to appoint a ismiNes,.... The Irish miscellaneous estimates wen last yaw sent helms • select committee, and why were not the linglieh mhsglisser selienstes to be dish with is the anew row P When the ebisteimmble votes IMMO a, be sisal move illy pestpenement, with a view to their being referred to a select eoeumnittee. Be called upon the members in all parts of the house to remember that the eyes of their constituerts were upon them. The honourable member for Clare said, " Such of them as have constituents." This very ex. cellcnt observation was extremely appropriate at a time when the government found among its supportem such a large majority of those who had no constituents, but were placed in the house by the great borough proprietors. With the view of the subject which he now took, he should not oppose the Speaker leaving the Chair. Lord RANCLIFFE spoke in favour of economy and retrench. ment. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said, that as the proposition for a select committee was to be made upon the items, he should reserve his opinion until they were before the house. Lord ALTHOItP observed with regard to public works, that if they were necessary they ought to be carried through, and not left incomplete. It would be therefore well to refer estimates of that nature toa committee, and to suffer others to proceed without delay or impediment. Sir J. NEWPORT said that some works were commenced, and engagements entered into, betbre any communication whatever was made to that house. _ _ Mr. O'CONNELL begged to add for the consideration of the house, that while three millions and a half of taxes were to be re duced in England this year, in Ireland taxation was cobs increased. It therefore became the house to examine with the strictest care these estimates, which formed too large a share of the taxation which was to be so imposed. Mr. HUbfE contended that all the establishments, civil and mi litary, were upon altogether too large a scale, and that the expense of the works in Canada and at Sheerness was money wholly thrown sway. The house ought to take example by America, and refer all questions of public expenditure to Select Committees. There ought to be sixteen or twenty Committees appointed, instead of submitting all the various branches of expenditure to a Commit. tee of Supply.—(Hear.)--Ile despaired of the public money be ing properly looked after, until the landed interest, who ruled that house, could be brought to pay more attention to such matters. Ile hoped that those who sent county members there would remember the manner in which they had attended to and voted upon matters of finance. He hoped there would be an election very soon.(•' Order !") The hon. member who called him to order was disorderly. lie had a tight to calculate upon an election when a parliament had sat five ►essions, six being its average duration. The country was indebted to the ministers for any saving that was effected, but to the house the people owed nothing. Sir M. W. RIDLEY always objected to any general reference of the public estimates to a select committee, upon constitutional grounds. He would not consent, by appointing a select committee, to take from the ministers of the crown the responsibility which the constitution imposed upon them. Col. DAVIES insisted that the responsibility of Ministers was yes etpreterea nihil, when they saw them continually committing acts which deserved impeachment. The House then went into Committee. Mr. DA WSON, in rising to bring the miscellaneous estimates before the house, said he should first make a few observations upon what had fallen from his honourable friend opposite. He abjured the imputation which had been' thrown out by his honourable friend the Member for Cricklade, that of his sneering at the laborious and able exertions of the honourable member for Abet decn. He had no such feeling as that which had been imputed to him, aid to his hon. friends behind him. With respect to de legating the authority of the house to a Committee up stairs, he thought no sufficient case had been made out. He denied that a committee up stairs was or could be as efficient as the whole house. There was not that responsibility attached to a committee up stairs that there was to a proceeding of the whole house. The total amount of the miscellaneous estimates for the present year was lower than for any preceding year since 1824. Tite miscellaneous estimates for the present year were lower by upwards of 300,0001. than they were for the year 1829. They amounted for the present year to 1,935,0001. His majesty's ministers were anxious to effect every possible bene. Seial reduction, and they would not suffer any opportunity to escape them. He concluded by moving that the sum of 32,5001. be granted to defray the expense of public works and public build ings, and for furniture, upon account rendered by the Board of Works. Mr. GORDON contended that the way in which the public works were carried on ought to be examined into. The question ought to be referred to a committee up stain; and he referred to the bon member for Dorsetshire to say whether he was net correct in thinking that this vote ought, almost more than any other, to be referred to a committee up stairs. Mr. DAWSON said the government regretted that so much money had been spent upon the subject of the vote before the com mittee as had been, and declared it to be the intention of government to pay especial attention to the subject in future. This being the case, he hoped it would not be thought necessary to refer the ques tion to a committee up stairs. Mr. HOBHOUSE contended that it was unconstitutional and even monstrous to suppose the government was to have the whole sad undisturbed controul of the public buildings. He should vote with his honourable friend (Mr. Gordon) if he went to a division. He wished to know of the noble lord (Lowther), whether or not it was not understood that an access to Saint James's-park at the point he had mentioned on a previous even ing was to be granted to the public ? But whether there had been such an understanding or not, had not the public a tight to demand such access ? (hear, hear.) A hint ought to be suffi cient. He admitted that the Parks were in sotne manure to exalt the dignity of the Royal Palace, but they were also for the conve nience and the salubrity of the public. Nothing could be more absurd than the al -teatime which had been made at the end of Regent-street, near the Park. Thousands of cart loads of dirt had been piled, and the old columns had been thrown into a newly made ditch. If the alterations desired were not acceded to, he should certainly move an address to the crown upon the subject. Mr. GORDON wished the vote to be postponed. The CHAIRMAN said that the vote could not be postponed without the concurrence of both sides of the committee. Mr. HUME, with all due reference to the Chairman, held a dif ferent opinion. Sir JOHN NEWPORT contended that the vote ought to be postponed. Preambles of Acts of Parliament were postponed. He wished for further information upon the subject before be gave a vote upon it. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER maintained his opinion as to the course the house usually adopted. With respect to the vote itself, he contended that the Government had made every practicable reduction in it, and was anxious, upon all future occa sions, to pursue &similar course. The alterations which the hon. mem. her for Cricklade complained of were real benefits to the public, and had been made with the best possible intentions. The repair of the Chapel at Whitehall was a new item, but the building had been in a state of dangerous decay, and the Government thought them. selves justified in making the outlay which they had made. With respect to the Parks, he contended that the alterations made in them had been for the most part made for the public, and there was no in. disposition on the part of Government to do every thing which could be done for the recreation of the public. And really if Government did not upon one occasion accede to the .wishes of hon. members, they ought not to be so ready to complain, as the bon. member for Westminster bad himself shewn. Mr. GORDON said, if the public had recreation in the Parks, they bad a right to it ; their money had supported the Parks. He proposed that the resolution be postponed, with a view of its being referred to a select committee. Mr. ARBUTHNOT referred to his evidence before the com mittee upon Public Works, to show that he had never promised that the opening alluded to by Mr. Hobhouse should be made. He certainly had no desire to oppose such an opening, but he bad no power upon the subject. The plan wu formed at the Treasury, and only sent to the Office of the Woods and Forests for execution. He felt that the public had a tight to every possible accommodation and he had always been anxious give the public every ennvenience be could. Sir M. W. RIDLEY said it was a stipulation in the leases that there should be no mange, either public or private, into the park from the part in question. He, as a leaseholder in the part in question, bad no objection to the desired opening, but there were circumstances over which he could have no control which ob structed it. Mr. HUME recommended, upon the opinion of the Finance Committee, that the vote be referred to a select committee. It was said a select committee was not as good a place for entertaining the subject as the whole house; but he would ask if ever members had been seen asleep in the Finance Committee P—(A laugh.) Mr. PROTHEROE wished to see the items respecting the ex. penditure upon the Record Office specified. Load MILTON contended that the Parks were the property of the public, and he surmised from what he had heard, that the opi nions of the Chancellor of the Exchequer were better suited to the dynasty of times gone by than to the era of the House of Brunswick. The CHANCELLO R of the EXCHEQUER explained. Lord MILTON explained. Mr. HOBHOUBE did not go by the plans.but by the works themselves, which were now to be seen, and were filled up with dis gusting filth. If there were a majority for the postponement the pubs would be admitted to the Park as they wished. TllSpUetf was then cleared, and the house divided, when there For the resolution For the postponement Majority for the resolution 7,0001. was then voted for Portpatrick Harbour , 8,0001. fcr the works in Donagitadee Harbour, and 90,0001. for ingston Harbour. * WINDSOR CAITLIt. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER moved that the sum of 100,0001. be grimed to his inafeety, to defray the expense of Improvement in Windsor Castle. . Mr. R. GORDON objected to the grant, on the ground 0-I,t the original estimate of 300,0001. had been i ncrease d by denuo.lu, at several periods to the amount of 000,0001. Ile thought boo candour was due from the right hon. gentleman, and that tf• house should be informed what sum would be necessary to cot: plete the works. A committee might be appointed to ascertain 11.• real amount. The hon. member concluded by moving as an amend. mcnt, that the aunt of 100.0001 1 be voted on account. Mr. O'CONNELL supported the amendment. The Chancel,,, of the Exchequer had lately imposed a heavy burthen upon tl r people of Ireland in the shape of taxation, and it was the duty Irish members to vote against the proposed grant. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER could not suffer the question to be put, without stating the circumstancea under which lie considered at right to propose the estimate. The ho: gentleman had brought forward the whole expenditure upon tie work at Windsor Castle, from the time it was first undertaken... He was not personally responsible for the undertaking, but did not feel any reluctance to share the responsibility for the intention t make that splendid building a fit residence for the Kings of En g . land. The undertaking was popular with the count ry ; h e C e ' . lieved the people anxiously desired that the King should reside in the ancient place of his ancestors. They rejoiced that it we e to be put in a state of repair, which made it fit for the 'Monarel of the country. He knew that the expence originally caleulateii by Lord Goderich had been exceeded, but the cause had b een explained to the Commissioners. The house must be aware o the difficulty of finding the exact amount of expense in a work so extensive. The architect repairing an old building could not un. dentikc to say dilapidated parts might not fall. Ancient delayed walls had been taken down, and consequently there had been an creased expence. The right lion. gent. admitted he had stated on a former occasion that the work would require only 700,000 L but 1. was a task of the greatest difficulty to decide whether the origin a l repairs should be left unfinished or apply to Parliament for more money. Ilia hope was that Parliament would not withhold the means of making it a fit Palace fur the Sovereign. It must be oh. vious that a building so large as Windsor Castle must incur IPA ex. pence beyond the original estimate. He was sure the country did not grudge the expence, and lie could not think the House of Cum. mons would withhold the means of finishing that splendid edifice. Mr. BROUGHAM could not avoid saying, with regard to the estimate, that he should vote for the amendment of his hon. friend. If it were fairly put to hint—shall Windsor Castle be completed of atop where it is, he might pause, but that was not the question . They had to consider whether 100,0001. was to be added to the 800,0001. before they received an assurance that 100,0001. would complete the work. He was called on to vote that sum without a hope that it would be sufficient. Next year there might be the san:e appeal to parliament. It would probably be asked, Will you suffer that splendid edifice to remain unfinished for want of 100,000 more , He thought the right honourable gentleman had not done justice to the country on the subject. He admitted that the measure was po. pular when the expense was 700,0001. but It was not popular alter the expense incurred was 1)00,0001. It was desirable to have Wind. sot Castle, connected as it was with so many events honourable to the country, enlarged, but the Palace in St. James's Park was also building. The expense of' both amounted to 1,400,0001., and in the present state of distress in the country, he could not avoid, with all his respect for the Monarchy, voting for the amendment of hie hon. friend. Sir J. SEBRIGIIT opposed the motion. If he did not set his face against an extravagant expenditure of the public money, his constituents would have just ground to complain that he negleited his duty. Mr. PALMER thought the house ought to have an estimate o: the whole expense likely to be incurred before they voted the pro. posed rum. Sir M. W. RIDLEY begged the committee would recollect that the vote proposed did not come upon them by surprise. It was an additional sum for additional work recommended b) the Commissioners. When the architect came to a certain point, it was found that new works in St. George's Hall and the awe apartments were absolutely necessary. These works were com menced, and when it was found that additional expense had bee:: brought on by unavoidable circumstances, the house surely would not feel disposed to stop the means of completing the improvements. Mr. HOBlit /USE said, his hon. and learned friend the men:. bee for Inaresborough, had been answered by his hon. friend the commiuioner for these works, but no pledge was given that further expense would not be incurred. It might be hard for the Chancellor of the Exchequer to determine what might be the total expense of such a work, but the right hon. gentlern:,.. would agree to the amendment, he would find the difficulty re. moved. A committee might ascertain what the expense would bz. The people of England certainly took an interest in the repairs o: Windsor Castle whilst the expense was moderate, but they could have no desire to see unlimited expense incurred. Lord SANDON, on this occasion, approved of that which ha-' been done to provide accommodation and convenienee for the S. reign. The work that remained to be done would add to the dour of the palace, and benefit the public. The noble lord did not see why they should not vote, from time to time, the means of bringing the building to a condition worthy the Monarchy. Sir T. ACLAND opposed the grant of 100,0001. He was no: one who withheld a liberal expenditure for the restoration of Wind sor Castle, and if told the sum necessary to complete the improve ments, would not hesitate to vote the amount, but they had nc . estimate; and when they saw the original estimate increased tt 900,0001. be felt himself called upon by a sense of duty to support the amendment. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said there were circumstances at that moment which made the discussion unplea. sant, and be felt anxious that the house should have en estimatc before them. (bear, hear, hear.) The right honourable gentle man thought he should not do wrong if he consented to a postponement of the estimate, for the purpose of ascertaining what might be the estimated expense. He did so from the desire to pre vent a painful discussion, and to prove that the rum he had pro. posed to the Committee was justified. He should therefore with. draw the vote, for the purpose of ascertaining what would be tli whole expense to which the country might be liable for the comp!:- tion of the work. Mr. BROUGHAM then suggested that, the rote being with drawn, his honourable friend might withdraw his amendment. After a few words from Mr. H. GURNEY, Mr. DwwsoN't• amendment was withdrawn. On the motion that the sum of 6,0001. be granted in aid of the expenses for erecting churches in the West Indies, Mr. Hunt op. posed the vote, and moved to adjourn the discussion. Sir A. GRANT consequently reported progress, and the hour: resumed. LIBIL. Lord MORPETH postponed to the 18th of May his motion re. lathe to the law of Libel. Mr. HUME moved for leave to bring in a bill to prevent the necessity of renewing commissions, civil or military, on the demise of the crown. His object was to save the expense of fees on the re. newel of commissions. The CHANCELLOR Of the EICHEQVER and the ATTORNEY. GENERAL suggested that there were motives of delicacy which they hoped would induce the bon. member not to press his motion a: present. Mr. O'Courstr. and Mr. liVastaurrow supported the motion. The Gallery was cleared for a division, and there not being forty members present, the house adjourned at Two o'Clock until to. morrow—this day.) NAVAL INTELLIGENCE. Of the Start, the Barren, Metcalf, frota Mauritius. The Rambler, Sanders, from Newcastle to Kiel, was on shore on the Slater Hook, near Elsinore, on the 27th ultimo, and it was feared would not be got or. The Nile, Miller, from Hamburgh, bound to London, was or Hasbro Sand, and obliged to throw overboard ICO qrs. of wheat. DIAL, MAT 3.—Wind E.S.E.—Soiled the outward bound. POILTIMMTIII. MAT 3.—Wind S.S.E. Iszsatrovar, MAY 2.—. Wind W.—Arrived the New Eagle, Ro.:, from Sierra ieone. FALMOUTH, MAT I.—Wind variable, and high breeses.--Arrived the Nightingale packet, from Plymouth ; and his Majesty'; Kilmer Meteor, from ditto. Cos:, Mar 2..... Arrived the Amphitrite transport, from Dept• ford. Liviarooc, May 2.—Arrived the Coral, Dickinson, from Savannah; Majewic, Maxwell. from Mobile; Shibboleth, An drews, from Wilmington ; Providence, Miller, from Lisbon ; and Sandback, Bispham, from Demerara. HoLuuD, )..ta 2.—Off the port, the Horne, from New Orleans, and Rankin. —, from St. John's (N. B.) A Naw AGITATION ASSOCIATION.—No sooner WU it known throughout the country that the " Society of the Friends of Ireland" was put down by proclamation, than a prospectus for a new Society has been put forward , . under the name of the " Anti- Wellington Association.' This Society is to be composed of persons of all reli gious creeds, with the exclusion, however, of " profes sional agitators." The intention of getting up such a Society has originated with the discontented Bruns wicker' of the North, whose call has been responded -to by their brethren in the City. Th e i r p ro fessed ob ject is to oppose all the measures of the Wellington administration. It is at present difficult to say whether the projectors of the scheme will be able to establish it on anything like an extensive footing; but there can be little doubt that the Government will endeavour to crush it in its birth. I.- - -