Star. — London, England, 1830-02-16 00:00:00

Exclusive of the whole of the half-pay civil and military. Upon this point ministers had behaved extremely ill. Lord Castlereagh . had said that there was a certain class of expenditure, amounting to 200.000/. which was a payment for services gone by ; and nature' large. it was consolatory to think that it would annually la leas and less. However, it had been added to year after year, aril the amount now payable was 5,302,tgk)1. The people. 'to refore, .11xii a right to complain. (Hear.) The number of naval ffiCellt was as great now as it was ten years ago. It ought to be one of the first measures to put an end to pensions of all sorts. &el man, civil or military, should learn economy ; and every civil dcpartment should provide a fond for the relief of rupee aenusted members. This was to prevent the grant of pensions tutpitoperly on the part of ministers. In 1810 the civil pen stone were only 94,0001. and they had gone on increasing to 484,0001. Would it not he much better to adopt the same policy as the tinitee Staten, and admit no pensions whatever? The time was new come,. when some reduction was to be ensue in the allowances upon the civil list. He found in one of the papers which he held in his hand no less a sum than 30.000/. in Colonial pensions. The whole of the Co lonial Department was conducted upon a system calculated to evade the inspection of parliament. He found Malta upon the same list to consume 10,0001. and Ceylon 6,500.: If the finance croannittee had been allowed to go on with their inquiry, they would have pointed out all these extravagant payments. Some of these pension, were paid to persons who were quite independent; and that being the case, he would SA, why not reduce our taxes, which were so squandered ? Another item in this expenditure was that of the palaces, the most useless of any. Upon the whole of these expenses he thought 'the house ought to vote an address to the King, praying that an account of the whole expenditure of the civil list might be laid on the table. He thought that some of these items ought to be separated from the civil list. He saw about 1,057,0001. which ought not to be charged upon it—such es the payment to the judges, and expenses of the courts of law. The payment to our ambassadors abroad and to our consuls was another subject of extra vagance. There was a sum of 226,9501; to our ambassadors, which, with the charge under the head of consuls, made 400,0001. We sent to all the states in South America persons with salaries that would commtall the republics in the world. The whole expense under these two heads, in 1826, was 426,0001. From • paper be held in his hand,he said that this expense in 1793 was only 113,9004 ,but it went on increasing ever since till it became now 425,0001 which he contended ought to be reduced by at least 225,0001. He re minded the House of the example of the United States, which paid their foreign ministers only 2,0001. a year, while we paid 12,0001. Their plan was better than oura,for they knew bow to keep what they had. Their debt inlBl6was only 114,000.000 dollan,which they have been reducing ever since, so that next year it would all be paid off, while we have, in the fifteenth year of peace, not made a single re duction. Hay ng now disposed of the civil lest, the pensions, and the diplomatic department, he would come to the expense of Ire. land. The Irish pensions and payments were 270,0001. Now he would take away the lord lieutenant altogether, and by that and other savings would take away, at once, 100,000/. and by so doing, he would destroy the focus of faction in that country. The next point to which he would now come was one of considerable im portance. We had now all the leisure of peace at home and abroad, and therefore we ought rot to continue the establishment which we had during the war. Ninety thousand infantry was our force of last year, just double the number that we had in the year . 1793. In 1792, we had 46,000 men, now there was an increase of from 40,000 to 50,000 more. The artillery also was double what it was, being, in 1792, 4,000, but now it was 7,000. The number of men in the navy was also doubled. He saw the neces sity and propriety of reducing 20,000 men, with a proportion of sappers and miners, and still we should have a form exceeding 00,000 effective men. With respect to the army altogether, we had about 37,000 abroad, and 23,000 in Ireland, which before the Union had seldom more than 9,000 men. Why should we have 3,600 men in Malts,r_and 4,000 men in the lonian Isles ft What use had we of those islands? Let us make a compliment of them to King Leopold, and so get rid of the expense. Why should we have 6,500 Men In the Canacias ? He contended that the distribution of the troops called for the vigilant attention of the house. He thought also that the naval expenses ought to be reduced b at least one million and a half. The country was greatly indebted to the bon. member for the Queen's County (Sir H. Parnell) for what be did, and far wha4 he would do, if ghltnisters bad not thrown overboard the Finance Committee. But be still hoped that the public would have the benefit of the honourable baronet a laborious inquiries in a few days. A more expensive and useless establishment than the *levy Hoard did not exist. The pay of that deperuneet cost the eountry 23,000/. a-year, though .the business might be done quits as well for 6,0001. a-year. There was a paymaster for the army, a paymaster tier the navy, and a paymaster for the while the business of the three d e p artmen t s m i g ht b e a o h iwliiairii e Ind transacted with much more advantage to the public the at pmeset. tle thought that the Finance Committee bad been completely tried with. When he was told, on a former occasion, that the committee was not to be renewal, he was led to suppose that ministers wee is. Ahmed to adopt the measures it had recommended to them. In this, • hemmer ' lie found himself altog e th e r deceived, bat he would take Awry good care not to be deceived sgain.--(A laugh.) He would Jams again trust to appearances. When be found Mat imams' etpense was incurred in building ships which were afterwards Oft to rot, he would ask was it not enough to make say cosh or, 'est who had the slightest feeling for the sufferings of his fellow elteatures, thousands of whom were plunged in such deers, distress present? He contended that t h e expenditure of the oedaance do. Wtiment might be seduced one-half, and the bored ought to be dome *ay with altogether. Instead, however,of consolidating the these *Filaments, and having one individualptationed atSt. Lucie, Ate libould take charge of the naval, military, and ordnance storm, .there were three idle men kept together, without knowing whet ..40 do with their time. When a reduction of the barrack depart *mut was proposed; the answer always given by minister was, • 44 , If you have soldiers, you must also have barracks fox than."— • But, if the house should concur with him in thinking that the Wintry might be reduced by 20,000 men, then a coasegendleg Iviductionain the barrack expenditure would, of ••••14 be illseted. If ministers consulted their own interest in cowman with lighleireet of the country alone, they would, amesail of hasping ?ma Jorge military establishment , do every thing la their pewee to • •enkaish the burdens of the Teeple. The effect of high taxation early elucidated on a previous night in the speech of his hen tge member for Cumberland. In proportion as the tax st duty was reduced, so was consumption increased ; but the stay contrary was the case in proportion as the duties were -bigh. The hon. member then referred to some returns to show • that in proportion as the duty on tobacco and malt had been imbed, the consumption of those articles bad decreased. The mow :lig contended, was the case with respect to wine In the-four laws from 1804 to 1808, the consumption of tobacco was 11,000,0001b* Lin the next tour yeses it was 12,000,0001bs ; fn the *eat 13,000,00011 w ; and, lastly, in the next again, 14,090,0005 n ; adiowin, as compared with the increase of . population, a eery tr ifling increase of consumption in the whole time. The Post ale revenue remained stationary, being now exactly what is was twenty years ago. This was another proof that high charges were at variance with the interest of the country. If the Poet- Also rates wee reduced one-half, the public interest and coo , Waco would be greatly promoted by it. The charges of col loft the public revenue were exceasive, and the public depart. Agglic, tIM rotelgu, Ouluale4 sod eshera,-vets • kept avow 41 glib the beyond what the country bad a r igh t to expect, con -46fritft lbe promises of reduction which theyAold out. in proof • .616.11160 het, he needed only to call the attendee of the house to -00111minti of expenditure, referring to different periods. In .1,110 the expenditure of the office fur Foreign affairs was . 34;4001.; in 1827 it was 64,0001, almost double the former 'arrant. He could not be surprised at this difference when • ho-!hood tke number of cabinet messengers who where con ansally despatched from the Foreign Office to all parts of the maid. In addition to this there was a sum of 40,0001. or 00,0001 fee soma serries-.4 monstrous charge, that ought not so be tole. lead. (WS.) He next tame to the expenditure of the treaty, tames belseed several lads receiving 1,2441. each, end in the same 44ellesiM were a great number and variety of well-paid clerks—. lie wiles around to give credit to the Chancellor of the Exchegmer' roe a die to save the public money, but what he particularly . estoplaised if was, that the scale of expenditure was much too high ' from the Bing downwards. He maintained shit all ranks and ilesoes ought to be brought to.a lowa aisle, if it was intended to • *Nod any misbelief to the distress which was pow gshindly lilt all over the country. He would ask whether it Ma NOS quite possible so revert to the scale adopted' in 17113 ? .dew in opposition to this it was said, :that whereas has 17/02 there were only 5,000 entries to be trade, there were now twenty thousand. The argument about entries was quite futile ...it meant nothing whatever. He could readily understand, how. ever, why so many codes were necessary at the Truism, if the Treasury kept to itself the right of settling all . questions which ought to be settled at the litempedlice, at the Board of Lkatents, at the Bawd of Beam. This eroded a very clear neon fur Alio *man ef business at the Trealsuy. Here he could not help oldleplalainett dismember of useless persons who were attached to We mend seteblisimmuts. Instead, of nineteen commiesioners for theiMatteas) sod Illkeen or sixteen for the excise, let there only be its appelosod to die two departments, and then the duty would be chinditsless performed, and much 'more justice dtme the public di dim •it • at this moment, Wpm suer a holt of persons ' Cede • alielned• for no other purpest whatever except to add gefillir iw kealemi.- loam •lf the plan he proposal Way afcrills els t ilt reibm. a • • w il l s uill eir s it e gar, abi" , wub l :: 7 l7 Ml ma Novi is was 410,5001. wpm. titptki kiNiost to abort • ptsiod. is r~rr~-y~ / _.:. 1797 the expenditure of the Colonial department was 9,000!. a year ; mend reductions to the extent of 1,400,000/. The whole of &el now it was 39.3001. a year. The next subject on which he wished to charge for miscellanies in the years 1790 and 1791 was on dm make a few observations was the expense of collecting the public average only 150.0001. but theeyy annuli, simounisd *ll s io9,lllol .revenue. He (Mr. Hume) proposed to reduce that expense. It was This year the charge for mist* 111.011111 Sort WOO illetailett now 400,0001. and he would undertake to effect a saving of one mik even beyond that of last year, asd limo In would sissennend a lion and a half, and bring about a much better system of collection reduction of one million to be ellestsi in the followlnig manner : than existed at present. His Majesty's ministers were willing to By lowering the duty sec abase* and other articles which encou 'allow six per cent• for collecting the stamp duties in Scotland, raged smuggling, he veal we utorly 500,0001. bein expense whereas he had ()feted to collect them at two and a half ; but minis. of seamen employed on tits slat blockade, and bu rr for the tors would not agree to his proposal, though he thought ..;,3 have same purpose kept up at as smiemises cost. These hems together made a nice little thing of it for himself—(A laugh) lie anew of would yield a sum of 6,ffi.0,0001. and to this saving be we individual in Aberdeen, who, though never stirring out of his would add 300,0001. to be taken from the civil list. (Hear, hear.) stationer's shop, yet received no less a sum than front 1,2001. He would recommend an address to his Majesty, requ 4 ting him 1.400/. a year for selling stamps; and he knew of =odor to reduce the diplomatic branch of the civil list; and be person who had received 1,000/. a year in a similar way. The would not ask it as a favour, but as a right. When the civil system however, had been altered.oithin the last year. Down to a list was in difficulties, the country had increased it; and recent period there were two receivers-general of taxes for each crow that the country we in ditrmat eel It ought to be di county, but he had succeeded in obtaining the sanction of the chan. ininished. He would erect $ further saving of 600,0001. by cellor of the exchequer:to a proposition, that, in all capes where a the sale of the crown lands, or by letting them at rents proportioned receiver-general died, no successor should be appoint ed l to his place , to did: real value. The whole department ought to be broken up but that the duty for his half of the county be duce by tit; sec nukes and extravagant, end it would be easy to wind up *be s u rvi v in g p ar ty. Thi s was ooe a y th e a rr a ngements w hi c h h a d came concern by the disposal of all the lands. These sums would mobs from the finance committee, and acted upon by ministers, though a total of 0 k4 1 10. 0 001. to which he added 1,459,000 1 - from the use. the system before was to have two receivers-general in the sam e plus Revenue, forming as aggregate of more than eight millions} county, and that Was other reason than to increase government patio. and reduction to that extent, be was satisfied, would be found nage.Upon one occasion heNtir.ll.)wasapplied to by &gentleman wh o perfectly easy, if ministers fairly and bowed, set about the as. thought himself hardly treated by the new arrangimint,in having, on tempt. The country had a right to expect relief to that asnosust, the death of his colleague, to receive the taxes for the whole count and he would now show how it ought to be given to the mud. only instead of for half of it, as before, particularly as he still gut fering population. First, he proposed to repeal the whole sf the duty on coals, amounting to 803,0091. Next, he weal the same amount of salary— namely, GOO/. a year. The gentleman 'hardship - chance— - take of the whole of the duty, producing 1,414. 0 " Beda, service, soap ,414,00 C. these would be of considerable . , but especially the last; for though the duty was only twopence per lb. he could show that it added roomette* per lb. to the price of the article. Thirdly, he would repeal the duty on candles, which bad been so productive last year, mainly because the poor weavers and other artisans were obliged to work in the night as well as in the day to earn a very , scanty pittance it was only Id. , xr lb. but it added lid . to the price of every pound of andies arising from the heavy charge fur oi lier causes. In the fourth place, he would do away with the - remainder of the duty on leather, producing only 383,0001. a year. It was a common complaint that shoes and other articles of leather were no cheaper, notwithstanding the former -repeal of half the duty, and the reason of it was, that these was not sufficient competition among the tanners and cortices; the pe nalties went PO heavy, and so difficult to be avoided, that few people whould engage in those trades; and if they were removed be was certain that leather goods might be obtained equally dur able and forty per cent. under the present price ; he pledged himself that ministers should obtain military accoutrements 20 per cent. under the sum they now paid for them. These four items would give relief to the extent of 3,134,116 L and to these he would add the duty on beer, at present atuountin; to 3,204,0001. Three years ago he and his hon. friend, the hon. member for Abingdon Maberky) had calculated that the expence of collecting the duty oo beer was notimse than 400,0001. ; reducing the whole pro duce, therefore, to about 2,800,0004. One main objection to this tax was 'the tudity of its pressure ; the removal of it might he no advantc , -.e tq country "olden:tea, but it would be a very important rebel' to the peasant and poor man, who paid fifty shillings duty, while his master peid no more than thirty shil -1 lingo . Them was also remaining a small duty on cyder and perry, the repeal or which would be highly beneficial to the West of E i rl land although the produce of it was no mere than 37,0001. Half the duty had been removed five years age, and to hike off the rest would Late this additional advantage, that It would abolish the item entirely flow the ;collections under the Excise. The Window and Inhabited House Duties came rext—the formes yielding 1,164,3551 smear, and t h e latter 1,826,972.1. He was very much mistaken if, among the most distressed classes, were not: many who had large houses, whith they did not live in, but which they could not shut up. Many families who bad been in the habit of keeping two houses were now wandering abroad for the sake of economy, and he had little doubt that the repeal of these two duties would mall a numerous body of exiles to tbeieDtative country, and thereby oc casion a.e employment of a large body of poor in their neigh. bourhood, now out of work. He did not believe that it :would be mere expensive to live in Devonshire and other parts of the west of England than in Fraser, if the house and window taxes were abolished. So much for direct taxation ; and be would only men den one other inmeetent duty—that upon corn—which last year, be believed, had been productive to the extent of about one million sterling ; the importation having been larger than for the last 26 , years. He wily waeted to have the corn trade as free as any other 'branch of commerce, and he begged hon. members who differed from him to remember how much the existence of this duty tended to di.' minish employment, and the consumption of other agricultural pro dace, such as butter, chsese,egge, pigs, and cattle of every kind. The lower orders were thus thrown upon the)oor rates, and could not afford to consume what they would otherwise be ready and able to purchase, and he was satisfied that t h e laadowner would be evil= humid of a loser by the repeal of the can laws. In the tit insurece, p erhaps &middle course might his token, but be hoped ore long that the House would mks the question into ha meet serious consideration. He apprebailed that list year govern ment was disposed to relinquish the duty ea insurances, which ope. rated as a tax upon mildews ; and the duties upon raw articles, as upon glass, paw, fte.. ought either to be altered or abandoned, inasmuch as in thelrpresent amps they prevented the increase of the consumption of the articles themselves. If any man doubted the possibility of takiag of these onerous imposts. be referred him to the fourth report of the finance committee of 1828, from whence it appeared that the reduction of Mass to the amount of twenty six or twenty-amen million, bad not occasioned any falling of in the produce of the revenue. Lightening the weight to this extent meesianed such a degree of general elasticity that the remaking taxis made up the whole amount of the defi. assay. Half measures might be properly adopted when matters did not press, but la the present state of the country DO half mea sures could answer the purpose, when from one end of it to the other a cry was raised far the reduction of taxes and diminution of raison upon the suffering climes of society. True it was that in the speech from the throne, ministers had repeated the pledge given in 1821 but ho did not at all expect that that pledge would be redeemed. Having made the promise of Is. dutoed ezpenditurmin 1621, in the very next year they broke their faith, and be had as little confidence in their present as surances. For this reason he wished to obtain a distinct vote from the house, sad he trusted that, there would be bat ens opinion regarding the assolution with which he should conclude. Ha bad shown the necessity of reduction, and the means of redac tion, and that it might be both safe and effectual; of this, at least, , be was satisfied, that the experiment ought to be tried before resort were had to the expedients wildly talked of in different parts of the country. He ; should now conclude. (Hear, bear.) He was glad that honotuable members were so ready to Came to a VOW ; and as be was sure that they must have made up their minds to vote with him, having heard nothing on the contrary aide, he should therefore detain them very little longer.--My resolution will be the followings." Thu this house will forthwith paced to the repeal and modification of taxes to the largest possible extent—that the civil, military, and naval establishments of the cosuary:srill admit, as the means of affording general relief to the country." He put it to the house whether there were any members in it so deaf to die complaints from all parts oldie country as to be ' prepared to say that they would not give relief, and that the people were not in a condition to demaid it If there ince any such pre sent, be should be most happy to to their ItS&CMCOUI and regiments; sad of those who were disposed to admit that mowthing ought to be done, he would only ask in what better mods could re . 'lief be afforded ? lie did not require the house to pledge itself to the extent to which he, for one, was perfectly ready to go; be only:called upon it by his resolution to pledge itself es to theq cipk. Ministme had already induced' the house, In on the first day of the Session, to vote. th at some reduction the expenditure ought to be made ; sad all he wished was, that it should go one step further, by sayieg, , t We will give proportion. ate relief to the country by taking off tams to the amount of there. &Action." If by what beibad said he bad been able to idioms any Honourable Member to reflect seriously upon the subject, he should be most happyl; and be could haat no object but an anxious deake to see the country freed front its present dtilleuhies, and the inhabit. ants relieved from a needlessly oppressive lead of taxation. He was confident that if the Roust did not agree to some Raohstion of th e kind, it would disap point the just expectations of thi country, and run the risk of dri ving matters to an extremity that would hereafter prevent due au on and deliberation in duo adoption of remedies. The lion. Member concluded by moving the resolution he had before read. The question was then put; upon whiels, The CHANCELLOR of the EXCH EQUER under considerable anbarrssemeat to address the Muses L. the very singular speech of the bon. member. That cribs:raw was ptincipallyowing to the conviction hamsterudwod that the hones was hula posed to lend a favourable or indulgent ear to any per. son who should attempt to keepers an its time, exhausted as its , 11:d:bed Met by the voluminous speech it had just heard. 1 c a e t speech dishonourable member lied followed no now Una, but Mead his usual beaten tract. lie bed, la hies m u g., ism light, :touched ea ivies she meet dgleele—the rusnue ...ohs • expeoditure—ekings small and pats each of width is Ana' with any Agree of propriety or ptefit would roman sr onePtsg's *palate *bap, Tbe boo. member sot or 's, dealt wgli iagitty of topics is that speech, but he had held house he,, the Son' O r kAgeeeePee at the ilichertner, j)lt sio_iror . what. hi imposed io his a, aka*.. vorY ajoMosniblisis islooqous _mop likin by Mho. This hi fiesolfered hardy a fair mint ; • ;Wee ha was Dot diepeurd to h. vindleatioa oi miss points of MI mammon° their viaduct andei who as rows basin he ..alplained of the— to the , 71or - of the Exchequer, but the reply he receivedwas, * chit It was hie (Mr. Hume's) act, and the Treasury could do nothing for him. Upon this he (Mr. Hume) told him he was sorry if any act of his was: prejudicial tu him, but that at the lame time, if he would only consent to resign his situa tion, he (111 r. Hume) would be most happy in providing him with a successor. •• This," observed the hon. member, •• was quite enough; I have never beard from him sines." (A laugh.)— The whole system of the receiveragene 'ought to be altered, end could be altered with great ease and advantage. The whole duty might be performed by the collectors, and the receivers-general ought not to exist one hour longer. A small addition—an addition of 401. or 506 a-year to the collectors' salaries would be sufficient re. muneratiou for their additional duty, and above 50,0001. a-year might thus be saved to the country. But then It was said that these collectors did not give Balkiest security for the large sums that would then pass through their hands. He had answered that at once, for he tltowed that above 1,300,0001. had been returned in one year from Liverpool having passed through the hand* of one man, who only gave 5,0001. secunty. Out of 335.000,0001. received by these collectors there bad only been one defaleatioa of 300001. which he believed bad not been occimined through the cri. minality of the defaulter, while receivers-general had bean de faulters to the amount et 350,0001. He diadem maintained that in every way the appointment of receivers.geneeal was a most proligate mods of expenditure. But then it was said that there must bs pntleinea to undertake such offices. He denied it, and be maintained that gentlemen appointed to such situations, and receiving large salaries, always would employ somebody ulna to do the Jades, and Mould often be cheated. To the .alit of the Excise be would say, that no man was promoted there to be a collector till he La beta successively riding officer and sw pervisor, and during the twenty years required for his nosing through these offices, the Commissioners had daily, almost hourly, opportunities of judging of his fitness for business, and of the trust to be reposed in him. It was not the same with the other depart ments. He believed that was the reason why in other departments ' these were such large salaries. and the men appointed were so unfit kr business. Thet expense of collection was now the same as in 1818, although a very considerable reduction ought to have been made, He was rowed to prove that two millions and a half =ifse been saved in that time. He did not speak at he was reedy to go to the book to prove what he said. Ms candidate the Boards for the &amp and Hackney Donn He would reduce the enormous number of Onnissionses of Excise and of Customs, and he could not ,and mineihne what each a number could do, except to serve as relays As eat east thsat oo tte 6 y, his year. The . of t eom o is i: ahuw eirie. eel ewe the public money was wasted in every direction-- 1U Beebe was nearer what a department should be than any other, as the finance committee had found, was a model to ths rest in the way in which they kept their. accounts. On those grounds he should press kb motion, with a view to en alteration and reduction of the taxes, and a Goaselidation of the diffentat boards of commis. ithases. If there should be any surplus revenues he should be eel:- lows as bay up the 31 =t on nes ,= which were so extravagantly dear to the country. lie ht th fee the boom and Waist of the Gauntry which some able geodesics thought depended en the sinking fund, but which he told them so long ago as 1026 depended es the sinking fund being put dieene--he raid be thought dent the honour and interest if the minty, voquiftaclidit dupla Ailail• .shied be bought up. lie could show that since Mr. Pit shiest pt up the sinking feed the c had lost two hundred millions by he operstios, the minister borrowing with Gas hand and paying will the ether, and borrowing at a greaser leeriest than he re. deemed. He should be able to show that the 'educates be had mid be made net only without injury so the worry, ir s w il lst poet advantage to it, and that a stallion sad a bait might be applied from the staples review fee the be bad meatieeed. He would redoes Abe dot on Tobacco) mod on romilla e tch thus get Bid of - the blockade epstion, which seated s ill.will with eviey body, sad oc amiss= • met of civil war upon the estate. Seem or eight ban. died thousand a year might be eared by that mesas elms, sad a past cause of hanswality and crime pet an ead is, while the re. ensue would be inaemed, an oily by the saying thus made, but by the increased oonsamption ot the two articke - he hid etkeified. If then was, as he expect= these would this be, • -staples es voire, be would net leave it in the kande of the Chantal= of 'the Eredesquer ; for in his time Chmeallem of the Exchequer bed always "third with such :wog to as little good par. pose, but be would betheeleand az the manse, in which that surplus revenue should be applied. be would remind country gmblesent that the sinking fund of five Wilk= was merely ideal.that it was only paying with sae hand and borrowing with the other, lad ohs wee in a con dition to show that out of the orangeade= memeMd with the babas fund bad arises $ less to the country of not leis than four =Micas and a half. Oa way 1061. there had been a less of 311. and sothiag could Abed a Meager peg of the nesesity for MilligliatjAg some centred ewer the imam minister of the country. Tie Sanding of sight millions of sacheimar bills bad turned out another very Nola air, although be had been taunted at the time with being too hasty in his ametesions, when he stated the lose at much Ices then it bed in fact been. That loss bad amounted to on millions and I halt on a sum of eight millions of =chequer bills. This assertion might Meeatsacedloary, bat he had the Spies before him In l s t i end white to prom it. Such a result, it might be , thought, would bare been enough se make the Chancellor of the liatthequer reflect, but what had be.. the loss on the sarnaction of onlyslast year ? These had been a *espies of three millions, and he (Mr. IL) had pressed that it should be devoted so the reduction of tastei, bur the right hoe. gauletune bad insisted that le would be much better to apply it to the taking of hischequer bill ma of the ruerket. The premium on Exchequer! bills must, of Nurse, be paid, and that entombed so 94,0001. But what did the Chancellor of the Echequer do ? He mid, "No ; I will not pay the money ; I know better than that; I bays etinialted my Abode ,and coadjutant of the Soak Eseheage, whose polite are she eir the morethe country gambles and loses by gambling,' sal will make a different hatpin.* What bargain did he make? said what did he do with that sum of money which would hme saved half the starving people of the country, or re pealed several of the most obnoxious and oppressive tams ? He *inverted the three millions of Exchequer bills, bought with the three millions of surplus, into four per ant perpetual annuities ; he gave the dim millio s of surplus to the commissioners fee the slaking feed, end told them to buy up the exchequer bills, to be ,ronvetted into annuities, and the loss upon chat musection was not lees than 900,0001. It was impossible to explain awn ig nwittees of arithmetic and calculatiou, and such a pea aught to be reprobated to the latest day of every man's ealsemesr How much better would it bare been, then, to hare the surplus of three millions to the diminution of the t smallest ? No such - power ought to be given to the Chancellor of the Exchequer in Won, and the house ought net to allow him to purchase one shilling's worth of three per cents. at the present price. and in the present cbcumitanees of the country. All that be had hitherto done had been inconehtent with the ulti mate mad rampant prospirity of the country. He (Mr. Hume) much penethwei w e ei ti o rnb i se am ; would not be better to adopt the aw- Cle Ibe (Sir Hairy Parnell), to =Mart air padielly fobs= which in 70, 80, er 90 ;airs, eawli big It to as imbed end. If Am principle were pod, a l could gen sup mop be made, and the result might b= beiblehL He would now state what would be the math% if the Minden with which he should conclude were est. tied. In the oily he propeed that there should be a re denims of 1,1191161001. In puini.of expenses First, by tlieband las war mew : iisesiead. MU t next, by m a ki ng th e military mien pay is SP 4311 Plan 3 ad s dmittiy, by twinging! the staff aig n , i ts iml - . • ham* iti blabs dimes of bib ail.. . • .1111•343.4361111indie5 , • pr e -he maaarthe iambi' a NNW., io th doe a ins,, g r u bs auster=a s i elk Iliad iliterially WWII* rAiskrod is t ipm po sn , . . bock at which web kep t uil at amionstrows airiatalt aides AIX He thus seuMr - save, W. By Ile altilkir the admits be shiqd be mew,. semi pelmet a savbgtheille it • she alissilhowes uramlislue be child **Om- SO' riply-so be men of unblemished honour, and he was aware their acts bad received the sanction of Parliament itself, ,whibt In office. • The spa& of the hon. member placed him in the awkward medicament, that, instead of coming forward, as was his duty officially to Impose the Budget for the year, he was now called on to oppose the Budget as it might be termed, of the hon. member for Montrose. Instead of hunting the-honourable member through all his multiplied details, he thought he should best consult his duty by laying before the house very succinctly the reasons why the house should not accede to the proposition now made to it by the honourable member. The house should be on its guard not to take as proved all that bad been stated by the hon. member, nor imagir.e that what he might omit in this instance to answer was unanswer able. The hon. member's motion, in the first instance, called on the house to repeal taxation generally to the largest possible extent. If this proposition stood alone he could have perhaps dealt with it; but it was coupled with another; namely, that the repeal should take place forthwith, which he believed no gentleman there could imagine was either wise or possible. Was it just to his majesty's government, or wise policy in the managemeet of the public funds of the country, to expect that the abatement or reduction of taxa tion hould take place at this moment, when no preparation had been made for so Important a change ? That abatement of ovation must depend on estimates, and the possible reductions thereon, of which the house was not yet in possession.—How could they at. tempt those reductions now, whilst they knew not what was th e amount of military force required, what that of naval force, and at what estimate the civil service of the year might be fixed. The hon. member contended that the income of the country should be kept at as low a point Is possible, because, as he observed , it would tak from the government the power of doing mischief. (Hear, hear, from 31r. Hume) He would agree with him that that would be the Janet effectual way to prevent the government from having any reto do either good or injury to the country ; nor were n r iembers of any government likely to contribute long their set. elects to the support of any measures over which they could cut. else no control. It was a w;hl and extravagant project through. out—and could only have originated with the hon. nieriber—e, 'expect to be able to induce the house to consent eo a reduction of taxation to the amount of 1,000,0001. Did that honourable member forget that the interest of the debt, which was about 29,000,000/, being added to the dead weight, as it was called (but which consisted of pensions and rewards for civil and min im,' services of the most meritorious kind,) would give a pm. duct, which, if deducted from the whole revenue of the wen. try, would not leave above ten or eleven millions surplus for all purposes of government, out of which the honourable member argued that they_ should at once make a reduction to the amount of nearly sthe whole---namely, nine millions. This wu a proposition too wild to obtain the concurrence of any man of commonsense. 'He would not abuse their time by following the hon. member through his projected curtailments on the army and navy estimates, but proceed at once to reprobate the principle on which mash of this saving to the public was to be accomplished. None but that hon. member would have had the hardihood to propose that the arrangement made relative to his beriditaly pro perty with his late Majesty, on his accession to the throne, should be disturbed. The civil list, forbooth, was to be invaded, and that without any reference to the merits of persons so properly placed, on it. wi.h the tar.ction of Parliament, in consequence,of their claims on public gratitude. In submitting this course, though so liable to objection, the lion. member thought proper to wont. pany the proposition with no very gentle rebuke to ministers for not having adopted this sage principle without being :minded of it at so late a period. That arrangement had been made under the highest unction, and the hereditary of the crown was surrendered to the public fur a sum which it had far, very fur, exceeded, even since its surrender. The bargain had been in several instances ad. vantageous and beneficial to the public, yet these circutestar.fts were of nu avail, and the project cf the hon. member was to sacrifice nothhig less than the public character and honour in this instance. But, as If the intention to abandon all principle in such a scheme was net in itself objectionable enough, the hon. member had mixed up with the subject a name to which it was quite unusual even to allude in that house, and which that hon. member never mentioned La: fir the purpose of heaping on It scorn and contempt. He was not of opinion that monarchy was a fit subject eithe for scorn or contempt The hon. member might descant as he liked on the blessings which America derived from its form of government,or applaud alternately, as he had dons, the aristocracy at one time, and the democracy at another; he, however, could, he confessed, participate in none of his scorn of, or antipathy to, a free nionarcny, such as that of this country. The civil list, and pensions charged on it, amounted to 770,0001. out of these 466,0001. had been charged on the consolidated fund, not for the purposes of granting patronage to ministers, or the power to remunerate their adherents in politics, but to requite the meritorious services of persons in) the army, navy, and in the judicial capacity, and to provide them occasionally with suitable re. tiring allowances. The honourable member Isad charged ministers with increasing the Boards of Excise, Stamps, and Trues. Now, how far was this true ? He could hardly have more imptudeatly selected any public boards to found his complaint on; for in the Ahmemed Tame the experiment of reductive had been desired by the noble duke at the head of the government to be tried, and the business of five Commissioners was now done by four. In no one instance had the Noble Duke made any appoint ments in thine Boards. He had refused to do so. The same prin. ciple was to be acted on with respect to the Commissioners of Stamps, who were to be diminished. In the Excise, two Commis. aioners out of the 13 were to be reduced in the same way. In the Customs also the same rule was to be applied, and me experiment war to be tried to see how far the collection of the revenue could be improved and cheapened. And yet the honourable Member op posite seemed dissatisfied, and exclaimed " Was this all that Could be done ?" To prove how disingenuous was his mode of arguing, it was enough to allude to what he had said on the works recommended to be completed in Canada. He had represented diem as being about to entail on this country au expense of two millions of money, whereas all that had been iv. commended by the crown was an outlay to the extent of 600,0001. the rest of the project having been postponed fur a period, or alto. paw abandoned. Whilst he told the house the debt of the country wee 800,000,0001. he asserted, singularly enough, that if we had husbanded our resources in the last fifteen years, a con siderable reduction of the debt might be cleated, since that period of years not leas than 89600,000/. of revenue had been raised. (Hear, hear, hear.) Did lie expect all this would be applied to the ftduction of Nation ? (No, no, from several on, the opposition benches.) He (the Chancellor of the lischequer) acknowledged be could not see the force of the argumeet, unless such was the application of the remarks nude la the hos. member's speech on that topic.—(No, no, from Mr. Home.) In the same way, alter stating it was his opinion that the failure of consumption, and consequently of revenue, and its die. proportion to the growing increase of our population, was all at tributable to the enormous weight of taxation, the hon. member to prove this very controvettible assertion, took a year in the period df the war, when by our state of belligerency we was cut off from intets course withlother nations, and compared it with the present, which was a year preceded by a 16-years' peace. Hed he taken a ;eat for instance 1791, also of peace, and compared it with the prams he would have found that, is the mere article of consumption of a boom, the kaput of that article in that year was 9,300,0001 b. weight, which in the present year exceeded 16,000,0 9 the weight. lieu was an answer to the bon. member's hypothesis, despite of the growth of population and taxation simultaneously. Let dure who give atedit to the statements they had beard from the bon. ineuiber adopt Ms detandnatiou, as embodied in the motion. for his own ebelieved there here few in that hum who would be 'educed ta line of conduct which would Involve theta in a :sail* shatacter and honour; not could he possibly oantempiste 'the carry* such a motion, hr the maw state of things, butos an intimstbs to himself that be was no longer either capable of, ter 8t for, the performance of the duty imposed upon film ofharillp— namely, the adjustment of the finances, and the adepeon of the MOM of minedy for the present distress experienced in a pastiestia perdue of the community. Mr. INARERLEY said be did not entirely approve of the wail' snots of bblson. friend, bat via not thereby precluded from nip. rizthe anundusent. One thing operated very much with bin:; g this, that =lntents 'hewed their disiselination to autunite, by abashing the finance com muse. and that as stun as she cute. mitt'. evinced a desire to retrench and to carve the abuses which they discovered. It was said that the housitarlitnA no knowledge of the intuitions of ministers; that was exactly what be coin of; each iefortuation ought to have been co ununkysd the first day of the meeting ef parliament. (Wart hear.) Taxation bed arisen out of no system, it arose boas necessity. This house was bound to pl ed ge itself to the peogb to seduce taxation.' If the house did tit comply with this, she y Couldbetsay the interests of their constituents. The haw bees took a brief view of the items of the expenditias of Cris ' s mi observing theseninistem had not taken a single step to make anything She an sibeteal reduction in it; notwithsmeding the number of pensioned peruse who bad died off, yet the panicle, On the civil list 10(ffltalell about 100,0101. He cam:aired that • reduction *Mot minis. mln the taxation could be made without much dill. ally. No who staidter would impose a tax of eight millions on malt entriseer. 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