Star. — London, England, 1820-06-23 00:00:00

'11. 4 .11V . _ `,.. brought to ,their preset) -I N ttatibo. On the queen's ar rival, papers had been laid before the House, - taming certain charges which were brought against her Majesty, and which it was proposed to investi gate. Upon this being forinally proposed, in making a motion to which his judgment and feelings...had prompted him—in asking the House to pause far a arxii-I,Thise in order that. efforts might be made to 2.void y the necessity of examining into these papers, belied scarcely anticipated the universal feelings of . the House'hy a second of - time. Accordingly that pause was granted, and the communications on paper, and the conferences which followed between his. Majesty's Ministers and the Law Officers of the,' Qtteen, were cow before them. It was not his in tentnicut.to.go into the minute particulars of those pa kut he . mustremark, before he went any fur ther, that those conferences seemed to have been con ductialein aananner totally free from all angry feel ing% ~mod as . if the parties had but one common in tetest iigvjew. He owned that his hopes had been considerably raised, even by the single circumstance oi- the appointment of persons on both sides, for the purpose of carrying on the • negociation ; and he could not burfeel a confident hope that some means would be found of 'averting . the evils of inquiry. It was because he did indulge in the hope of that taking place, that he was etwouraged to take the step which he ROW did. He considered that- these two.parties, although they , might not find themselves exactly able' to' agree, might still so far approach to each .other that tbe subsequent interposition of Parliament ' 'night prevail, on them to think the breach, if not entirely closed, was still capable of beiug.so. Such 'vas the state of the business at the present period, and it was natural it should be so ; for they would see•that agents could not concede quite so far, for fear of misconstruction of their motives, 'as that House, - standing in the position of a third party, Could db.. The House, hi truth, could go farther in its advances towards a reconciliation than either of the parties themselves. In continuation of his detail of the course the proceedings had hitherto taken, he had to recal to their recollection, that he had had the great misfortune of seeing the conferences which bad taken place dosed without an amicable termina tion. But, upon a careful review of the papers con taining the substance of the negociations, he must say, that so. far from his hope being extinguished, it WAS confirmed, as to the possibility of an arrane meat being finally adopted. In considering what course of proceeding offered the best hope of the unhappy differences which prevailed, two modes had suggestedifieTkelyes. , The first, which he con fesse4 he had been wilfirig toadopt, was that of endea vourtng to prevail . on ale House to agree to some Ad dress, having in vie* . to:recommend a recurrence to arbitration, tor the purpose of closing the breach, • and of effecting an amicable adjustment. But upon a nearer view, it did appear to him that there were such insuperable objections, on the part of the House, that he would not be able to carry this into effect ; and that evea after carrying it into effect, the diffi• culties of accomplishment would be too numerous to be surmounted. That preposition, therefore, had given way to another, which, after mature reflection, under all circumstances, he had concluded was the most preferable one for adoption. He ought to take this opportunity of explaiiiingeo 'the House that the delay .which had occurred in 'bringing forward'this motion, was owing to his having received a commu nication from her Majesty which had required his utmost consideration, and required that he 'should change the plan of his proceedings. He should say rozhing more on iris point, further than that he had received a second communication, eiphinatury of the first. He dare not say that these documents in them selves held out any hopes that her Majesty would ac quiesce in the vii acs he entertained. Having since had. an opportunity of stating to her Majesty the motives, by which he was actuated, he found that her Majesty had . no olher knowledge of the nature of his intended motion than what had been collected from general report. The measure which he had el:•3-wards come to die conclusion of adopting was, that of moving, that 3. ResOlution be passed, the ob ject of which was, earnestly to .express a hope that her Majesty, now that the material differences seemed to be so nearly done away, plight be prevailed upon, under all circumstances, .to wave the only remaining differences on grounds Which he should state when he came to the motion itself. It would be remem bered, that the ultimiiie difference between the King's Servants and the Law Officers of the Queen, related to two points, viz, the causing her Majesty o to he ac knowledged publicly as Queen of' England in foreign ....Courts—and the restoration of her Majesty:s name .•• in the Liturgy—(Hear, hear).—lle wished it to be . understood,, that it was in one part of these papers • Tirtually acknowledged, that the objection to giving • her Majesty a full introduction to one of the foreign Courts, altlrugh there were nearly insuperable objec -eons to it, conid nevertheless begot over. Here the Honourable Gentle Man read that passage in the Cor respondence vithere it was suggested, that in the fo • :reign country in which her Majesty might fix her fu- Sure residence, she should be introduced at the Court of -that country by the 'British Ambassador residing • • there. - This was at first objected to, on the ground • that the British Governer - lent had rio right to prescribe •to any foreign Prince the course which he should • • chuse.to pursue under such circumstances; and the difficulty was not girtrid of. The next point required; WAS the restoration of the Queen's name to the Li-, turgy. For his own part, after having given the fullest consideration to this point, he did not ascribe so much importance to it as he had at fist been in clined to do. It did not strike him as applying to • any religious view of the subject. , According to the • mode of conducting the worship 'of the Church in shis country, when men met to do honour to Hot to lebons„all bogotir was due, all distinctions of persons were ddne %limy. Our system of worship diffused a universal feeling of piety with regard to others, and put all descripnons.of people on one common level. This was-the sentiment of many persons with whom be Issil DPW du the subject ; and must it not be evi &at: to everybody, that when prayers were offered up for the King, and all the Royal Family, the Queen, as one of that Royal. Family, was prayed kr? (Loud cries of Hear, 'hear, and murmurs of disap-! ipooljud i e),.Ha d any _Gentleman, he would ask, ever and of the Royal Family without thinking of tire' 'he Queen ?—(More expressions of certainly wks usual, summons: to expressly U 4546 particular a . •.... .o..1.,; •1 I, . a religious point view, the Queen riot excluded by 'the omiesioticif hifiname, from the prayers of the:congregation !—(Hear)--The point was not spe 'cified as a thing that was to beconsidered or acted upon,• until it came to be debated in the conferences lately held respecting ber - Majesty. Therefore his mind was impressed witka full persu asion th at this point r especting the-Liturgy, hatbeen 'considered as a religious question, nor as a thing of such great importance as was ascribed to it. This would be shewn in a passage in the papers then before the ' House, from which it appeared that his Majesty's Servants who had held the conferences, had not been apprised of any demand respecting the restoration of the Queen's name to the Liturgy ; for the Duke of Wellington and Lord Castlereagh, when the'question Was put to them by the legal advisers of her Mo desty, said they would report it to the Cabinet.— [Acre the Honourable Member read from the first Protocol of the Conferences, which were published in the STAR of Tuesday, the passage relating to this subjectj.—The Law Officers of her Majesty then asked whether, in the event of the' proposition re . specting the Liturgy not being adopted, any other' proceeding could be suggested on the paxt of his Majesty's Government, which might render her Ma jesty's residence abroad consistent with the recogni tion of her rights, and the vindication of her cha racter. This proposition also went to shew, that the ,question of the Liturgy was not considered in a re ligious point of view. Her Majesty's legal advisers asked 'whether some mode might not be adopted to serve as an equivalent for the omission of her name in the Liturgy ? and spoke of her official introduc tion at foreign Courts, which those Gentlemen were inclined to consider as a good equivalent—(llear). This also went clearly to shew, that the question was not considered as a religious one. The subject was mentioned a second time, with a view that something might be devised as an equivalent. It was, therefore, a great relief to -his mind, that the question had not been pressed by her Majesty's Advisers, on any reli gious principle. He was ready to grant that it was not altogether respectfut to her Majesty to omit her name; but he thought such an amicable adjust ment might be made as would be consistent with her Majesty's honour, even if the omission still con tinued. His utmost desire was, to avoid that fatal veep bag !—(Laughter, and cries of Hear, hear). — This was a subject of too grave and serious a nature for merriment. He was sure they must all feel as he did on this melancholy subject; andino one should Misconstrue the phrase he had used, for he declared, that while there was a smile upon their lips, there . was a pang at his heart. There *as one pirt of the ne gociauon which had given him the greatest satisfac tion. When it was required by her Majesty's Legal Advisers that she should receive a recognition of her rights, what greater recognition he asked, could she have, than assurances from Parliament that her Ma jesty was not shrinking from any inquiry; but was, in the opinion of Parliament, ready to meet every thing that might be laid to her charge? He would put it, then, to the Honourable Gentlemen who were the Legal Advisers of her Majesty, whether this was not the very sort of equivalent which they were in search of, and whether it would not answer every purpose that might be desired ?—With regard to the Liturgy, hewould again repeat, that thg a gestoration of her Majesty's name to it was not consiaered as matter of any importance. The omission of the name could not be supposed to have any effect upon ;her Majesty abroad; because our Liturgy was as little known in foreign countries on the Continent of Europe, as it was in China or Japan. He should now then come to What he had to propose. The chief point to which he should draw the considera tion of the House was, Whether the Queen would not go forth withoutUoy stigma on her character, after Ishe had yielded to the wishes and authority of Par 'lament ?—whether, after having • done so, and re ceiving the recognition of Parliament, all 7nputations against her would not be removed? The dignity of inoparchs would always be the greater, in propor tion as they wished to conform to the wishes and feelings of the Parliament. And he was sure that the Queen had enough of English feeling about her to induce her to act in this way. He begged, then, that he might be allowed to express his anxioushope that the House would well weigh this question, and take such a course of proceeding as might lead to an amicable adjustment of all the unhappy differences which now prevailed between the Royal Personages; and if the recommendation of the House should he attended to, what a benefit would accrue to the Nation! If such an adjustment were to take place, he should himself be the happiest of men, h . ...thinking that he bad been the humble instrument in effecting so great and advantageous a purpoie. He of the House to consider the choice of evils with was before it. He begged of Gentlemen to co fate the good which must arise from adopting 'the course then recommended by him, with the incalculable evil that must follow from t he adoption Of any other course. His Honourable and Learned Friend had, on a former evening, pointed out all those evils in that able and eloquent manner which so peculiarly .belonged to him ; and therefore he should not enter into the particulars of what might be stated in the course of a lamentable inquiry, from the very idea of which be must turn away with disgust. He begged of Gentlemen to consider what must be the situation of the parties, in case his proposition was now ac ceded to, and an amicable adjustment were the con sequence; and what their situation must be, if his re commendation were rejected. la the first, the Queen would gain many important adiintages. The cops rage and resolution displayed by her Majesty, in ris solving to face her accusers, would stand highly in , her favour. When it would be recollected that her Majesty had manifested such resolution as this, the supposition would be, that she had done so from a consciousness of her innocence. He therefore again tailed on Gentlemen to consider what must be the situation in which the King and the. Que en, toe' House, and, above% the Countrf, would placed, if it became necessary to - enter - into the inquiry.-- Should Ole present motion be rejected, he hoped it ~' •Yrrrer'e,7: , "o expressed wish _ defect appeated in his itlnwent, he hoped his defi ciencies would be supplied by the dreadful alterna— , five before them ; and oh/might the consideration of the Vast, the unknoWnivas,. the contentions and rise recriminations which would flow from the inquiry; induce the-House ere yet it was too late, and induce her Majesty to take that course which would avert 'proceedings so fatal w tbeinterests of all patties, an& solnjurious to the - dignity of the Clown and the tran quillity of the country. He wished' to add, it was his sincere desire that the King and Queen, the Par liament and the Country, should feel that they had but one common course to puriue, and that the inte rests • .of all parties were the same—(Hear, hear!) — lie felt persuaded that the course which he was about to recommend to the House to pursue was that which it would become them to take, and that the task which he would assign to them was, that which could only be imposed on a dignified and important body—was the highest that they could be required to take upon themselves, as . it called upon them - to act as a mediator between ' iwo . personages of such . eXalted rank. He hoped the proposition, with which he was about to conclude, would meet with their approbation. • If lie should be so unfortunate as to fail, his consolation would be, that he had done all in his power to erect a termination of the existing differences in the Royal Fainily, by again calling on the House to consider in the same spirit which had been manifested in every part of the late conferences, to avoid, if possible, the necessity of entering into that enquiry, the evils of which could never be over estimated, and which must be productive of the most injurious conseqtrences to all parties concerned in them, as well as to the Empire at large. He concluded by moving an Address to her Majesty, stating— .. That that House had learnt with unfeigned and deep regret, that the Life endeavours- to frame an amicable arrangement; with a view to avert *the necessity of instituting an inquiry into the information laid Wine the two Houses of Parliament, had not led man adjustment of the differences now unhappily exist ing in the Royal Family, so anxiously desired by that House, and by the Country. That the House was fully sensible of the' difficulty which her Majesty might justly feel eat' taking upon herself to relinquish any point in which her own dignity and honour were involved ; yet, feeling the inestimable importance of effecting an amicable and final adjustment of the differences alluded to, it could not but be of opinion, when such large ad vances bad been made towards meeting the wishes of the Queen, that her Majesty, by yielding to the earnestly expressed wishes of the House, and forbearing to press those points on which there was most difficulty in coming to an arrangement, would not be understood to do anything that could mark a wish, on her own account, to avoid an inquiry into her conduct, but would only give a new proof of her readiness to submit to the ,decision of Parliament, thereby entitling herself to the grati tude of that House, by sparing them the painful necessity of instituting proceedings, and of entertaining discussions, which, whatever might be their result, could not be other than dirs. tressing to the feelings of hex Majesty, disappointing to the. hopes of Parliament, derogatory to the dignity of the Crowp, and injurious to the best interests of the Empire"—(Hecte, hear), He would add one word more. He could almost •wish, for the first time, that the eloquenCe of the Honourable Gentlethan. near him were-this night to be•exerted rather in his character of a Member of Parliament, than in that of an advocatefor the Queen; for, in the latter character, he feared that he might consider it to be his duty to find objections to -the, course which he (Mr. Wilberforceihad recommended, that he would not seek to discover in the former ca pacity., He hoped the Honourable and Learned' Gentleman would dismiss' any feeling like that which Ihe had supposed he might have, and that be, re membering that the honour of her Majesty was con.' nected (as he hoped, inseparably) with the honour and interest of this country, world feel that her honouf could- not be better sustained, and her inte rests better consulted, than by yielding to Use' wishes of that House. .h.tr. S. WORTLEY thought the House and the century could not desire a better pledge than they bad in the character of the Hon. Gentleman who had brought that question before the House, that it was dictated `by a sincere deSire to heal the differences known to exist in the Royal Family, and had nothing to do with-party. If the present motion *ere re jected, he,could not: see that any course was left open for them but to proceed (aware as they all professed` to be of the evils to follow) to enter upon the in viry. They must,then• proceed to look into the in formation which had been laid before the House ; and, for months to come, the country would be plunged into a state of agitation which every friend to it must sincerely deplore—(Hear, ricer!).—Gen tlemen would all that time have theirbouses filledwith publications which every friend to decortun would wish to avoid. He hoped that her Mak*, would accede to such arrangements as had been proposed during the late negociation, and in Which -her Ma jesty could not be supposed to admit anjtbing with' which she had been. charged, nor the Government to retract anything that bad been advanced. He Con-' , chided with seconding and giving his hearty concur rence to the motion. Mr. BROUGHAM took the liberty of presenting himself to the Speaker thus early in the debate,' partly because, in con sequ e nce of the indisposition under which he laboured, he was fearful that at a later hour he might be unable to deliver his senti ments on the question before the House, and partly because he was anxious thus early to express, with at candour which he owed to the Honourable Gen tleman, aid with that respect for the character of that Honourable Gentleman which his long and un remitting labours jn the cause of humanity had in ,spired in the House and the Country, that he could net vote for the proposition which he had now thought it his duty to bring forward. He could as sure his-Honourable Friend; that he felt some satis faction in being able thus early to reject the compli ment (if it were meant as such) which had been paid to him towards the close of the Hot iii c Gentle man's speech, where h e stated, that of his having the honoir to hold the high office of one of tier Majesty's Legal Advisers, he aught _Win duced to come to a decision on this question dif7l ,ferent from that wbich be might come to if he con sidered it as a Member of, that House. He begged• to say, that be should thick he acted a pareincon listen% viii 4 his duty. in his fotMerpapacity,. if, he did, [in discussing thii business suffer it in a ref- h i i f eh shoulde ran d c h l i e e t f r o o g Ni e .t h h i i i c e t ri i h t e: v h iill e a d d le t t o o s t u i h n s e ta t i h a n e . ouse thathe argue iethherof no pa l r i l t i te part a l ment, of than tlis a t sd q n u e e e st f io ti n le , Of her Majesty. In the first plAce, he ' the House to the situation in which ' fai!iire Of the late eegociations placed Anctividual who was the subject of them. Here, in. the outset, to spew that he was 'Acting in tbucharacter of a . .ludge, rather than in that G f 'one of het Majesty's Law Officers, he .would admit, as in candour he was bound to do, not speakiit even as a negotiator, that no little advantage ilwc been gained for her Majesty by the late negociation.. It Was material that all parties fin that House and in the country should remember, that the oily N.s:s on. which those negociations could be commenced, was the -.acknowledgement of her high and unimpeach; able claim to the title of Queen of England. Thai; she should be so recognised was the only sine gati non which she had advanced. Ou other pciints, al ' rernatives were suggested ; it was on this alone. dm: she was inflexible, and with respect to Which_ she would hear of no alternative that ,fixiislit be in the contemplatioo of the opposite party--(ffeer, hears. For this she had called for no equivalent, for, in iw estimation, no equivalent could be Offered.; and she therefore claimed the Unqualified repignition of her rights and her rank as Queen, which recognition she obtaiitedbefore the late negociations were opened.— Another &int he wished to press on the House—her Majesty, from what cause he would not take upon himself to say, had not come to thjs country with the pomp, apparel, and circumstance,. usually the appendages of Royalty. It was now offered, if at ;any time it should .suit her convenience to. visit. the IContinent, to allow her all the pomp and circum. *once usually appropriated to .persons of her _exalted rank !—(Hear, hea ').-A-Sone nicht. thiqk got ittcle ~ were matters of light . importance,. but *.icisits .r.t this description little matters were :Of greak:CoriSe quence; and as the neglect of such atceilt!c . .went to throw a - reproach on her Majesty, So.thetr,Ohserv ance was proportionably important to her catise. It was also to be remarked; that.thottgli her claim to , an.unqualified admission to fereign Courts had not been acceded to, - yet somethink_of,thekind, 'flowing ' horn the same 'source, and rounded on the same principles which regulated :the feareaLeadmission to those Courts, bad been offeredor ShtLerts,..also as sured that the Ministers of thier,..couttpi .19, itmieisit pans, should be instructed to - treat hee.with " suit able respect and attention :"-(it ,was Uht . .She old cold instruction to contribute to her " comfort and convenience;") and it was to be notified, officially notified, to any Court near which she Might clicoeb tit reside, that she was Unquestionably Queen cai England; that she was so by the law of England; and this being made known; she was- to -be dealt : with according to the etiquette of the Ccurt which she Might happen to approach !—(feu-; Aear).-,Lastly, it was not immaterial 'to remaie, that there was Ira objection tp a stipulation, that io the. event °Lite aLegociations bei9g brought to, 2n amicable &nolo. aeon .(he hoped it ivOt t ld not be thought . diiestec . tful tto-the 'Moose to have - mentioned this out. of. karlia *lent), Addresser on ilte..part of Parliament shoted be moved to the King , Qpe and ers . , thatilinglieth for *Or compliance with what, Was declared tohe. tins expressed wish- of the Houst.--( Hear ).—So* much had beet conceded to her, whom, four months ago, every one had 'hesitated to call Queen—who, ie the conversations which had passed within: these walls, had been called " an Illnstrious Female"—"a - High Personage"—" a Great Laily'-'—and " a Female much interested in 'these conversations;'-0 whom every sort of paraphrase was applied, to avoid calling her by the title of Queen-iffeeir; bean (seer).—low this course was no longer to be tiered in. She was to be announced to foreign Powers' 'as Queen of ,BnglAnd! ' Yachts; frigates, or other ships of War, were be ai her command to transport 'her to anv place that - ihe /night Wish to.•iiSit ; and Daftly, it had beep consented, itr a &laid' eAse, to move Addresses to her fidni both Hoiritbst'df P'arliameat. Were these Addrestes to be iraed lbtoilin ,Illustrious Female"— " a High Personaget , ..t.Vat'Great Ladyk—or ".a dis tinguished Female muehniitifested lathe proceedings of that House?" NOLLilleVas to be addressed as Queen by her husband'ilithjects—who were to carry their Address to the fact. ofher Majesty's Throne ! This was,agreed to by Ministers, if the negociations had terminated in an amicable arran nt ; and lastly came the Re so l ut i on o f his Hon. t' e ri l l, every line of which teemed with expressions of the most profound respect applied to her, who afew mouths ago all were so cautious about calling Queen I The Hon. Gentleman had argued as if the Queen bid gained nothing in the late negociation. The Hon. Gentle man had moved, perhaps, in a more select circle dean he bad done, lately—(A largh)—or he - would have come to 'a differeht opinion. If he had seen as many Members Of Pirliameni as he (Mr. Brougham) had letely, wS.Wito bins bad been felt -it a greater ho mer than 4 salikaition,TOr be bad found it extremely painful - to dilWeen certain points hoar Co many with whom he.had been accustomed to act,`and whom he most ever respect, as . he had been obliged to do ia the discharge of his duty to his Illuitzious Client. It had been painful for him to hear from these whOremem- • bered the situation in which things had'sfood four months ago, who certainly' were able to read, who could decypher any print however smakind spell any word however hard ; it had at once -pained and surprised him to h ear f rom t h ese t h at her Majesty had gaited nothing by the late negociationskper).— The Queen's Law O ffi ce rs h a d never abne _their duty to their Client, and they hadgaiked•Rimuch forfher, that there was no longer any attempt made to impeach her title. Whatever Parliament might now be disposed to do, however determined to in• quire, and however resolute (as he understocia it was if the present motion failed) to. open the Green Bag (to- which the Queen on her own account could have no objection) ; however this might be, he would still stand on the rock of the b as i s o f t h e late negociations, and looking at the recognition which had raten place, he would put it to the House; whether it was not their doty - to sanction resistance on the part of the Queen, till one further step were conceded ? The questica respecting the insertion of the Queen's name in the Liturgy had not been made so much a sine qua nen as not to admit of au equivalent being otterea. Her Majesty first required as a basis fur the negotiation., that be rank should be tecoznizetl a and this bcin , sto members of th5,.....al Fay, il. 4 tba wonial. be.rensttnbered; br t.._•- • • . • :Vet; if not alb 's ar- Church ; it was . ti y. to *We.. .g others, the might annii • ly concern, that Alb - ..,.. ..*--14ite tter character con' Hiir A . • t . llll;die gowns -in . .the present, wisssi,'• by carrying . -4111 taiga,. 011.00114 VIA 4 not go far • befi ai t ty ainst Citurcise this roksristot afilbefed s to, for the 'havirbeen. made, by AO lartlitnijable arltangtirtenr< should have to resti- name at the'Dular.orTOrk, w . i hest to the might hate been effec ' asNhe cinceirea, wait - not rather as a Men Lking -Crown, was Ain - . , hear).—His in way degraiii* - • **sty or apy,Other Law Officers of ..had meani . ng l and he wiskekpaitic yto impress it party —when an accommodation might . have been wished to call t for a on Ms House, was, that considering this question in brought aboutliy.givia up her, con feelings to the the unfortunate to a religious point of view, the Queen was not excluded expressed wish of the j arise of ComMOns. . if thellhatriMig 1 . . 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