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I:na tion ; the very novel and whimsical Ballet of OPPOSITION ; gr, The Rival Dancing Master,, has eicited the utnitist risi bility and genuine applause of the vary numerous and fashion able Audiences during the last week: they will be repeated every evening until further notice. 'MS PRESENT EVENING, October 16, 1820, A In-ninrrnw, and Wednesday, will be presented, an en t irely new Scottish Meln.Dramr.tic Burlata, tinkled ST. CUT I 113 MET'S EVE; or, Tam Toms or MO*TEITII.' With a new Comic and Burlesquellallet, called OPPOSITION; or, Tam Rtvat. DARCIRV• MASTERS. • . . _ Mr. Fittotrestaw.—Howo Minty witnesies,brotight over for the Bill, had left the country before the 14th of Septenabei. . • The Earl of LA tlDt:lt DALE objected to.the question. The Earl of ICARNARVON spoke in favour of it. Mr. Blouotust. —Previous to Rastelli going to Italy, bow many witnesses had retnined to the North of Italy do not ilioW of limy. To the best of 'my knowledge, I believe there were none.• . • . Will you swear, to the best of your belief, that when Rastelli was sent back, you did . not know and believe that -- any other person. had.returued to the North of Italy?--eDithe best of my knowledge there was none. I have no recollection of any—oo belief of any.being so cent back. . If I have a list of witnesses, I may speak. more - There were eo many persons that carrnot speak positively. I cannot recollect. Some of the wit-, nesses I Wave not *seen. Will you then svlear.that'when Rastelli was sent back, do person, employed as an agent or-courier to the Aldan Cosiatnis bad:beeo.sent over to Italy subsequent to the Dovet --Some couriers have been sent over, but. 'pot nadir, *Ail+ Cunurission which I consider. to have ce ase d. • 14n..-Ciisilin sit I frit, Milan in 113. , 4 1819 . , MR the functions* the tomtnisslon had ceased in .Marth ;. I.do - Otra cOstsidex myself as peer acting under the - .Milan CoMmiisiott.. . • • i l'heivitltess,'hi further 'efiarditritioli, acino . couriers .had beenseut.. That - Krous was ope r of those He had not sent any courier but Rastelli to give the information to the families of the witnesses. He bad sent letters from all the witnesses here .to Colonel - Brown. He had sent letters by other couriers. lie had received information that the families of the WttnesseivitOre alarmed fOr their safety. There was one woman, of the name of Laucatti, Who feltgreat anxiety fei hef husband.. lie could not recollit the names of any other. ('munch Browniwho cern:tit:minted the itifunrtation; only stated the facts generally.. .Did Colonel Brown send any communication to you on the subject eiceprin writing?—No., • 'The Soticeroa-Garreait salS,•the letter . of Colonel Brown 4.ouitl not be roceivedio evidence: . • • In the course of the Ballet, Mr. Walhoures, will*.attempt to convince the audience that Foreign Dancers 'are by no means sups: for to their British Conipeti:ors, by showing to what an amazing height native talent may be carried, when a fostering hand is rout, ito raise it.. . • . -• To conclude with the favourite Barletta of . THE GREEN DRAGON; or, I'va Was Fortner!. . On Thursday will be revited the fsvottlite Visactta 4f :Fun' and Fright. A new Ration, entitled Knobs and Nam or, Gaul versus I.avater, is iti prvparati >a, and •will speedillt.ba producced.. Free Admissi..as for tar Season, price Two Guineas, to he ha lat Mr. S iiit's Lihrar St..lains's street ; .111 r. Valkuees, Music-seller. 3,*(Xd 130nd-street Mr. Bett's' , ,' Royal F.xcliange and at the Box thrice. which is .ut:yr open. from 'Fen till Four o'ClucL, where Places for the Boxes may be tais , :n PI - Mr• ( 3411 4 a, Box Hank-keeper, of whom maybe had a Yriv,:te 13;4 for the Night or Season. The Doors willbe open. 3 at Siio'Alock. and the Performance to commence at a quartet. before Serum—Half. price at Half-past 'Eight. lioz.s, 4a. Becand Price, .2s. Pit, es. Second Price, is. .0.11:cry,.15 . . Sescard4 rice, 6d. CUSTOM-MOUSE, HARWICH. FOR SALE BT AUCTION, B I Order orthe honourable the. CouUnisaioners of his Majesty's Customs, on Torsn.ty, the £4th October instant, at Ten o'Clock in the Forenoon, The Oita di' NC ILL L 0 11,. objected to the whole course of exaininatioa. sinless the viitnoas had been called by the Coun sel and examined is chief. 7 • • Mr. LeoucHAv; to witness-‘-bajou know that Hasten' never knew any of the witnesses 'or their fa - milies Until he brought them over?—How can I know that? - • • Do you not know that be swore that he had never seen them heron:?- 7 \o; I do not recalleot. Hare you not read the Minutes of viderce?—l have read part of them; I don't know that I have read Rastelli'sevidenee, Da you not know that he acid, when asked as to kis know ledge of-the witnesses Some I know, some Ido not know ; those I know, I only know by coming over with them '? -I do not recollect ltastelli swore. r oi c"tHE Smack .46 StItAWBERRY," of - Ipswich, bur:hen 16 53404 Tout, with her Materials. Also, the following Goals, wiric,hwill• he put up at thi Du e ••••, and, if no 'advance, ;rill be Wired ter Exportation dixty free ; 8 Pounds Lax[ Sugar • Y..rds Paper Hangings, • 112 Pictures under two feet square, 45 nitro, two and under four feet square. 5 Di:to abuve four feet square. Nal. A Deposit Of 1'23 per Cent. will be required. _ _ TRIAL OF THE QLXEN. . . HOUSE OF LORDS, OCTOBER 14. . . • . DEFENCE —ELEVENTH DAY. (llcootinisotirtfrfot. &Went Edition e Scow-do:is STAi.) :Faontinodm; e Mr. Pow et.t. co•ainoed. Lord KEN YON.—Dhl IListelli bring more than one set of witnesses to this country 7-1 do not know. Ulat are the names of the witnesses Rastelli brought Over? I cannot recollect all their names. Can you not Olitaiii their name:?—l could on inquiry. Tell me the greatest distance any witness brought by Rastelli lived fcom Milan ?—T imam* tell: But. you supposed that Hasten! might communicate with • tnem?-n-Yes, I thought hr might. Ilive you not a controul o ver t he witnessesl.—l do not.kaaw that I have any controul over them. Lord LIVERPOOL thought the witness might, without any difficulty, state when Rastelli at - river:Vat 31ilim, if the fact could be ascertained by him. • Lord LAUDERDALE objected, that the witness, being an agnit in the cause, should not be questioned as to these facts. ' Earl of DA ItNLEY.—Mr. Powell has -Stated that the wit nesses are not under his controul and direction, I therefore wish to know under whose .cuntroul they ate ?,-.1 scarcely know, They'are under the actual controul of Government. There are several persons delegated tinder whose directions thCy are. Are-persons admitted -to see the witnesses by your order ? I have given admissions to persons teealt the witnesses, and I have also given directions that stranger's should be excluded, as I did. not think it'safe that any one should be admitted. The Eak of DERBY.-4 undlrstand Mr. PoWell to say, that' Itasteln was not under his controul, I wish to know by vihat.authocity be sent him nut?—l conceived, if necessary, that 1 hill right to do it. Did yhu smd him Out on your own respon si bility, without communicating with any other agent in this cause 7--I - do not re coilcct. I made no secret of it. I do ant. want w know whetber it was a secret or Rot ; I want to know if you tent him of your own accord ?—Yi s, I did. Lord KENTON- wished that the witness should be ordered to furnish a list of the witnesses brought over by Itastelii. Thf • Earl of WINCH ELSE.l.—Ilad you any power to com pel Hasten* to ge to Milan if he had refused:'-1 certainly had ! no power s enforce hie goLig, or to prevent: it if he wished. I r con‘tdireil hien at liberty to go, and that I could not imp him. I thooght him yonder no legal restraint. r•' . 4-. flitaussaast.- n •With the pernsisaion of your Lordships, I . wish to ask the witness who is his employer or agent in this. cause? • • • Same objection was made to the question. . Ull a Baoeonass.-- 44 My Lords, I consider it essential to the great principles of justice that this question should be put. It is, iny Lords, mportant, essentially important, to enable us, her. Majesty's Coanscla to conduct the cause. This is the first wit nesa that has been called who can give us that important infor mation which 1 now seek. It is important that we should know to whores we ar• opposed, that we may snake that evidence which we otherwise could not do ; for, if we know the power by which the mach.uery has been put in motion, we can identify them with their agents, by the acts and declarations of the-party. When we are acquainted with the unknown, the interesting un-• known, we may trace its actions and its conduct, and bring from its own mouth, if it has a mouth, who and what he is. I know lanthiug of this shapeless being, if shape it can be called. 1 know nothing of it, whether it has a head or a body, or is a mere shadow —an airy being—" without a local habitation or a .name"—not knowing whether this shadow may not vanish into airy nothing, after he has eluded all sensible perception—l cannot fix him with any character. If am told who he is, I may then be able to trace his iineanymts, and at length to bring out the mighty secret who and wbat he is from his own mouth—if he have one. I know, my Lords, that the rule of law is close on the subject of the professional confidence of agents. Ido not deny it. But , here there is no party. Prove to me who the party is, and I wilt not distal b the professional confidence of his agent. • And who is the party ? I k now not hi ng a b out t hi s shrouded, this raysterious be ing—thi; retiring phantom—this uncertain shapi— " If shape it might be called, that shape had none, 4 ' Distinguisable in member, joint, or limb—. . `" Or substance might be c.ill'd"— .lit.d. such, year Lord,hips will admit, " --- That shadow seem'd, " For each seen'd either. " -- What seem 'd his head, " The likeness of a KINGLY CILUVIN bad on !" Tet under this shape, this " airy nothing"—and I know not whe -her i: he en , !, or either, or neither, or botln—l am to face the Averse party ; I am to be met at every turn, and in every part 'f the proc ee di ng , b y not being able to put a single question to ~ .:!s visionary , personage. lam to pursue this shape— The LORD CHANCELLOR interrupted the Learned ' Counsel and said, that questions-of the nature alluded to could not be put to the witness, unless he appeared as a witiap• ih t. , ?his L.II. c. Dahi/au wished to ask another question of - thi iha M m: tiV, Whith was, how many witnesses against die Queett had ar nv,.d previous to the 17th of August? Th. LORD CH A NagLLOR objected to the guesaitak 1 NT• rowtll was recalled. - Have you not sworn that the reason why you sent .11-istelli to Milan was, because he knew all the families of the witnesses ? The &unmoo r Gzuzam. objected to the cwestion. The witness was again examintd, and said—l beg to observe, that the sending away Itastelli did not refs merelyto the families et Milan of the persons whom he broti3lit over here. The oc currence at Dover• had occasioned alarm to the families of all the persons who had come over, or were to come over as wit nesses in this cause. • Do you mean to state that he was to go both to Milan and to the country in the neighbourhood of it, and to go round, not only to the families of the persons he had brought over, but to all others who had came over or were to come over ?—Yes, as far as he could under the directions of Colonel Brown, and to take letters to relatives and families of those who were here. As to "the families of those who had not come over, his goi:lg could have no reference, because they were not in danger.-- I cannot tell how many witnesses were brought over from the north of Italy. I cannot tell about how many. Ido not know the number of those here. After Ilasteili's arrival 11 Dover with other witnesses, he went to Holland. Witness continued.—l cannot tell whether he went anywhere else. I did not give him instructions to go anywhere else. I cannot tell whether he might not have gone to Milan in the inter val between his going to lloiland and the commencement of these proceeditlgs. My instructions to Rastelli, when sending him away, were, as far as I recollett, that he should collect letters front all the witnesses who were here, and see the persons at Milan re lated to them, and assure them that they were all safe, and free from any apprehension of danger. Rastelli made no difficulty about going. He said that he would come back as soon as he could. I knew that he was an important witness, and would be an important witness before the House. of Commons, should the bill go there. I had no motive for removing him out of the way; and I again repeat, that if I bad not had the strongest. conviction on my mind that he would be back here by the 31 of October, nothing could have induced me to have sent Has ten( out of he country.. .Eauniitseti by the ATTOZNIV-GILTIERAL. 1 was present when the Attorney-General for the Queen said that he was dune with his cross-examination of the witnesses for • the prosecution. No intimation whatever has been made on the part of the Counsel far her Majesty, that /hey intended to have Rastelli recalled. I did not expect he would be recalled. I lookud upon the recalling of 31ajocchl as a special act of fa. lorout by.f.ae House itself. I bad no intention whatever of with drawing Rastelli out of the way ; and no consideration for any individual on earth could have induced me to do such an act. To Lord LA U DER DA LE.—No coiner, tq my knowledge, was sent from this country in the interval between the landing of the witnesses at Dover and Rastelli's quitting this country.- 111 r. Powell was now ordered to withiraw. Lord LAUDERDALE moved that the examination of Mr. Powell should be printed separately, He iid not know what might be the success of the motion, but he wished to have it put on their Lordships' Journals, that one of their nymber, at least, thought that as examination, which did not of the case they were now judging one way or other, and which had, in his opi nion, been conducted in opposition to all the known principles, of law,should not be mixed up with the main proceedings. Earl GREY thought the examination of Mr. Powell formed an essential part of the proceedings, ,and could not be separated front them. Lord ERSKINE was extremely anxious to see the character of the House rise in the estimation of the country, and that they should not willingly stultify themselves. The House had been engaged the whole day in the examination of this witness, and he could not consent to have it put upon record that they had been occupied all this while to no purpose whatever. If it was a good objection to printing Mr. PoweU's evidence as part of the proceedings, that it did not affect the case-one way or other, then a great artany,of the questions put by the Noble Lord who had made the motion, ought also to be printed sepa rately, as having no connection on earth with the case before the House. . - id I said, no. He afterwards made pie a Present. What did he give you? - =He made me a present of 40 francs. Did _ _ _ _ Lord LAUDERDALE explained. The , examination Mr. Powell, was a sort of new case, not opened by the OMNI' at the Bar on either side, but by four Noble Lords, who, in doing so, had mimicked the violence of the Counsel at the Bar. Earl GREY 4id not know whether he was one of the four Noble Lords whom the Noble Earl on the cross bench aecused4 of mimicking the Counsel at the Bar. All he should say was, that if he could minik, the eloquence and power with which Counsel for her Majeszx bad conducted their cause, he feel proud. But he had no hopes as a mimic, and least DI being able to mimic the extreme mildness and forbearance "deb which the Nobibl.ord conducted binsself—(A leue;h). Lords Reassnatx, Doisouonstoas, and Cu m...anis. spoke against printing she Examination of Mr. Powell separately. The LORD CHANCELLOR was of the same opinion. The motion was negatived'wfthout a division. .jossor Ps.mira, Esq. - was aka edisi - is, - 11 - 114 — easisined by idord Are you Under Secretary in Lord Casdareath's Mice 3—Tam. IM )iou remember an applicatina made to you by h e ir. Powell, in Septemberjor a passport for HasteUi I—Mr. Powell came to me and said k had. hien determined to send Morelli abroad as courier, awl desired me to take the 'Alicia! steps far that purpose. I consequently ordered the passport, .it was slimed by Lord Castlereagh; but *Lord passports are kept in the Mae, ready for sack occasions • and the rt.t s la t as ci. nisiwat one et those. I Made ha isigkadas ko Lord Nowiphr • • .-*. • - . . . , . ••. - reagh upon the subject; but of my own act greeted ;lie pines., respecting the acts of P.aste lli , which they 'could' not pot t, witheet the inuteediate order of Loid Castlereagh,- It is have put tp Rastelli hintselL . . .., , the constant practice to do so. I have not received instructioss '' Lord LIVERPOOL thought, that however the law or, the from Lord •.r,aselereagh, - or any other person, respecting the point-might stand, since the absence of Rastelli was owing to panting of passperti - to persons who...had attended as witnesses. the act and deed of the Aienti for-the Rill, the detente ought At the time. the passport . ..was. greatest I knew from the news- net to suffer from it, and that the question should b.- put. 1 Papers, and frelli My general knovvledge - at. duf events of the . The LORI) CHANCELLOR agreed in this opiniust. This Islay, that Rastelli h a d b een exam i ne d as a witness; but - I knew was One of those allowanc es to w hi c h h er M a j esty *Counsel mre [lt from no other source. - It was granted, I believe, on the 14th - enti t led, fr om t h a t- act of the Agent for the Bill, by whkh .of September. - they were deprived of thesbeeefie of examining Rastelli, at the e-..D0 you know whether Sakai was charged with dispatches nustuent they thought best for the object they had in view. Jom the Foreign Office?:-Certainly not from the Foreign Office. It did seem to him that the Counsel for the defence had called pDo you meow o f a n y passport granted for any courier for the •Rastellt as an evidence in chief; but allowing that they bad, he urpose of tailing back Ilastelli?--s1 know that passports were would not say that they ntight not have had the option of chaag granted for. other.*ouriers; but evbethehetipos e werse to, bring rr ing their call, and e xa mi n i ng hi m i n t h e wa y of ceassexaminatfon. i Rastelli back or not, Id g not k now . - . . ~. .... , The objection wee oveuled, when the whams-Wes recalled, -t ./3y the Mitquis of -LANSDOWN.—Tn. what eapicity did and the examination resumed by Dr. Lemurs:root -- • ... 1 you Forbidder Mr.. Powell *hen he. made application to you for Where did this second conversation tak e ', le e r ?— It .ge t ee the passport ?—As agent for she pr osecut i on certa i nly. place on a remising that he called op me, and wt west tolbe BY !Lord e l-Pkii 4.13QT0N.--When e biir,4ltrvell made ap- inn weather. • •-.• ~ sheatioe'hr theisasepoit for Reetelli, "dffi he apply for pass-- Did he then make any 'offer,-.or promise of Money to ye4;io fleets for any ethos penal:o- 1 .4 belieee he certainly did net. become a witneas eclipse the Queen , and in w h at wor d s, as tweely Lord DA RNI,Eit.- 7. 11as lir. Powell rmlde.,spy apOreation ai yoir can recollect?—He told me, if you have anything to 4e. at arty: ether- thee fiit ;pas/mons for Other witnesses to go out of pose against her Royal Highness now is the time,. Yoe will rthe coentry?- a -paly not. - . become a grebe man, and seeder a great present., ' We Went Wise you% tett' with the.onde r of. the House with re-, to the, L a o togatfier, talking, and dined - there: , 11 . I." •:' ' ''' ' spect to the e ateined . witneeses, at the thee you granted the - Did he, whea,he spoke of your getting a gmelpeetemeetames. passport for Rastelli?--1 had no knowledge of that order, et- tion the nettle of De Alone? Yes, he did. cept merely what was s t a t e d i n t h e ne * spapers. , In reference to what did h e M ent i on the name of De M ort? Ala BROCOHAW.—Did_Mr. Powell say anything else to you —I asked him, whether De i'llont wag still in the service of her respecting Rastelli's going beck ?—As far as I recollect, he said, Royal Highoess, be told me that the was, and that she had Maio that Rastelli being. e proper person to return to satisfy the feud- a good day's work; that she had made a great tuts. • • Iles of the witnesses, it was determined to send hint. Ido not 21e witness in continuation.—Rastelli told me that I)* Moot recollect anything further.. I did ;he official . act., ' . • was still In the service of he; Royal Highness, apd I. found net Do you recollect whether Mr. Powell said that Rastelli had that she was here. He told me that if I fenuld dePosh somg . been Wituoined?-e--I do.not. 'There might have been persons to thing against her Royal Ilighnes*, I should recelte a great pre.. my room at the time. Passports were granted to other couriers. sent. I said that I had been night and day in that house, andtbkt Ido not know the datiof the earliest of the passports granted I never saw anything that enabled me to speak ill ,of the.Priii after that to Itastelli, nor did I knew the date of that until last cess. lie said, " You know nothing about it, for 1 t . e a t y ht ot i s my ot night upon asking the person officially acting. i s a v e ry d ece i t f u l h ouse. " I sa i d that that was a. real f . At the suggestiOn of Mr. BitouomemeMr. Planta was ordered f or I was i n the house and knew nothing of it. • ••- '" to ascertain the dares of the passpotts granted to other.ceuriers Did Ilattelli *ay anything further on that occasion about M. sent over upon the proceedings., . Mont? • . The Witnees having withdrawn, The LORD CHANCELLOR sa id t h at quest i on would int Lord CAII.NARYON said he had now a Motion to submit, do, but just as he was saying so, the witness Answered " so." , to which he did not expect any objectiost would be made. It The .examiustion of this witness was for a moment idspended, - was, '. 4 Thai Counsel should be called in, and informed, that the on Mr. Bnoueireat's expressing a wish to ask Mr.-Planta, who wines* Rastelli, having been sent abroad upon public. service by was mite present, the fallowiag question : Mr. Powell, could not attend the House ; and that they should What wits the date of the first passpent after the 18th - of Sege be asked, whether in the absence of that wit ness , they were tember, granted to a courier going. to the North of Italy Tast ? . prepared to proce e d nu the examination of witness es ?" eeth of September. The LORD Cll A NCE L I.OR was decidedly of opinion that Mr. Planta • withdrew, and the farmer witness was ree,allece the latter part of the question should not be put. If her Ma- Was it On this occasion the expression was used about De jesty • e Counsol thought proper, after having been called in-and Motit's making a good days work?-Yes,, it te as en that occ.* informed that Rastelli was absent, to make any application to Sinn that Hastelli was going about making recruits. • the House, stating that t h e y cou ld not procee d un d er suc h cir- State all that Kasten' cud about' making a goo d d ay ' s work.- 4 e curnsterices .it would then he the duty of th e H ouse to h ear t h e I can ' t express it. I must only say, that he told me, that whe;ta reasons, an d hear the Counsel for the Bill ;• after which she came to make a dr;wing she made a good day's work.' • ':. their Lordships would decide upon the applicatien. If the Do you know a person of the name of liraganti?-1 do :be House acted otherwise they would establish • a very clan- was a cornpmlOn of Ruitelli. getmis precedent. .It would, therefore, be the best course to Of what'busieess is _he?-lle sells salt, tobacco, brawl ) , and ell in Counsel and leave it to them,without being sc:illest upon other liquors. :le iwelt t wo gun - shots out of Milan. ' - to interpose, to say wittalier or not hey considered it necessary Did Breganti ask you to corne and depose against her Royal to proceed, or injurious to th e i r cause to a d vance f art h er t i ll Highness? • t . • liestelh should be produced? The Noble Lord concluded with' The Moe:, Soeterroe-Gewraat objected to this questionee ' netwieg an Amendment to this effect. . -• The person whose conduct it affected had nut been examined ell Lord LIVERPOOL suumted the omission of the words a witness, Om had be been proved to be at- all connected with 4 upon public iervice."- • ' the proceeding. • - s Lord HOLLAND paid, the course: proposed- was an ex- . Dr. Lusareozos contended for the right to put the question, treultly liberal one ; but it struck him as also an extremely un- and read sotne.parts of Rastelli's evidence which want, he and 'neceseary ones for the Counsel had already ascertained the fact to prove that *Braganti was an agent employed in conjunction which thellouse was so anxious to.inform them of. • . . with Rastelli The opposition to this question slu ill I not be The Earl of LIVERPOOL suggested the introduction of added lothe many difficulties with which.her Bliesty's cease words expressing the fait that •Itastelli was detained by illness. Was surrounded, by prosecutors who had not yet dared . The. Marquis at LANSDOWN said, that feet had merely to exhibit -themselves in 'any visible shape or form.--.. appeared upon the evidence of Mr. Powell, and it would be ra- It would appear as if the prosecution was sustained by a Joint titer toe much to admit that the house was satisfied with that Stock. Company. Whether it was undertaken by the order alt evideuce—(//ear, hey.) . . .. - your Lordships, or of Government, it was evident- to all meet The discussiqn ended by the calling in of the Counsel; and of common sense that . the acts of the-agents should undergo Mr. 8R0U011431 begged that their Lordships Would anew - him* investigation; that the conduct of all the Contedesioners, and and his Learned . Friends a few minutes to consult upon . thls all those wbu were Employed under them in collecting evidence most important question -.(Hear, heir). should be sifted to the bottom. In What state is the Queen The LORD CHANCELLOR said, the House would grabt likely 'to be placed, if evidence of this kind were refused? indi e any time which *bpuld be thought necessary. •- - • viduals might go through all. Europe suborning per jur y. Whit At five minutes past two o'clock the Counsel returned, and hope of justice could exist if the acts of those persons, whom foe - .. the House resumed. • could prove were gtelty of the vilest acts, were not to be hs. Mr. Ileouceetae,-." My Lords; 'under the extraordinary cir- quired into? - s cumstances in which her Majesty's Counsel find themselves Mr. Desotee supported the argument of his Learned Friend. placed, and the difficulties with which they are surrounded, I The House were to consider that the Bill of Pains and Penalties • find it impossible to commuoistate anything to your Lordships was also a Divorce Bill, and that it was also called a Bill la{ as our decision in conducting the defence of her May, ex- trodieed for the purpose of procuring substentialjuStioe. _Hem cept that we shall pursue a little further the course of esiamina- could that justice be obtained if the production of evidence, as. tion with which we eomnienced. . ~•- i .••a s - • • to the subornation of witnesses, were to be oppos e d b ecause .ifiutre-iero Pout was then callc# in, etal esaasiseed tip Doctor technical objections might exist? In the cours e o r proceeding: LUSHINGTON. ... , . ....., . on this criminal prosecution, Braganti was. he believed, he ' I usually reside at the Barone. I have resided there, in this country-. He was one of the companions of Rastelle,-... ICY own Parish, thirty.fie e . eons—in my own place wham Whether he went abroad to quiet the apprehensions of the fa. I work, foirteen years. Barone is the' name of the Parish. sullies Of the witnesses that .remained—(Lead tanzker)—be' I resided at the house at the Barons, wh e r e t h e P r i ncess of ' could not. exactly say; but, if he w ere in this country;; Wales lived three years ago. I remember the Princess reeiding her Majesty's could . not consistently - put into the bet as' in chit house by night and by day. lam a Canes:her. I know their witness a person whom, they charged with the deepest. Giuseppe Ilastelli. Ile was in the Princes?* service as groats.- crimes. He would not say that the crime of subornation of, 1 .1 know Louisa De Mont. I remember, ill the course of the perjury was fixed, but he bad a right to assume that it would last year, Rastelli coming to the Barona. He was accompanied e ,be proved, and •he was ready to prove it. Rasta!' hid bean - by the son of my head master. De Mont came in half ah hour sent out of this country by a Milan Commissioner, under the after in a ewe/age. Itastelli and De Mont - Were together in atithorityot an order, signed !%y a Noble Lord in the Govern" the house, . . meat : and he thought it but fair to notice that the most Malig-, Wliat did you see Rastelli do ?.—I saw them both make little , nant and atrocious conspiracy that ever was devised agaiint any drawings there. • • . defendant, was the' sole ground and origin of that erosecution Did Rastelli, on leaving the house, give you anything? - • which wai now pending. And it was now that he claimed, vu ' . The Arroaeav-Gaireaae objected to the question. the part of the Illustrious 'Defendant, the opportunity of este., What did Rastellielo an leaving the house ?—He asked me blishingehe.existence of these most criminal practices e by shewi fe r . : '-'-r I hid received'presents from the persons who came ? t h e mo d e an d circumstances which the evid ence was sere) ' ej, • jpcd Bother. Unless her Majesty's Counsel were permitted to do this, : she would be' excluded from the only one advantage attending' . . ..- he cay anything respecting De Mont on this Occasion ? the present .mode of proceeding—the- examination Of agents..-o The t as tielTOß-GESSZAL objected to the question. . course which, would be denied in any ordin ar y ease . Her Coumi-.. 1)1t1 telli offer you any money tainduce you to come here sea were totally in the dark as to. the conduct of the Milan •as a witness?-11e did offer me on another day,'but not on that CO'nuninion, with the exception that that Commission had been, day. He told me, if I had something to say agai ns t the Irin- begun and endedr It was impossible that any of the p ract i ces_ cess, I then sh o uld receive a great present. • • that prevailed dtiring the sitting of th e Com m i ss i on , an d wh i c h. When did he tell you you should re ce i ve thi s great present ? would be proved to be most abominable, could bt extraneous' —I said that I had nothing to depose against her Majesty. I to the fair and just determination of the case. . bad nothing to say but to speak well of her. lit told me, If The Arroamtr-Gmmitst said, that when . a proper-opportunity you like you may make yourself : a man. • I asked him in:what should present itself for enquiring into the conduct of that Com manner. He said, you, who have lived in this' house day and mission, an inquiry which the G en tl eme n t h emselves were moot night, may have something to depose again s t h er R oya l Hi g h- anxiou s take place, they would. - stand quite dear Its the ness. I said. I had nothing to depose against that Lady, who opinion of their - Lordships and of the Public. • . bad always done much good. • Tlie LORD CHANCELLOR h e r e i nterrupte d the Attor.• . Was De Mont present at the tfine?—No, she wai not. • - ney-General. Ile strongly censured the conduct of Dr. Lush. . Did liastelli at the time mention De . Mont ? ington, in having stated that the prosecution Was instituted by a The Souiciroa-Gxessat objected to the,question. JOint Stock Company, and in having insinuated that•the • prem. Lord ERSKINE contended, that whatever Ristelli had said cuter was invisible: Whether the prosecutor were visible or to the witness ought to be received as evidence, . - invisible, the House; he seas convinced, could not permit such The LORD CHANCELLOR could not consent to refuse , a questionls•thit which'ltad been proposed' to be put.—(Losid that evidence which would have beep, admiseible if Regent Cries.of,,Go on' undAdjourst /). ,* • could now be brought before the House. ilia not being in the, ,IVIr. DismAir said he had to ' submit an - application to their capacity to be so called, not Wog owing oftite Connie' who op.: Lordshipkbefore they adjourne4. . it was, that t h e i r l ar d s hi pa . pose the Bill. s h ou ld ascert ai n from the ponies conducting the prosecution, When Raste ll i made this offer to you,. did he m e n t i on an y whether linigantlwas s in.this country: i ' .•I , . - thing respecting De;ghlont ?--No ; because It was some days ' The Emcee Souerroa-Gesoniat mid, that the Learned Corn. after that he had with me this conversation. . ....' • • sel had no:right to =quire into she cour se th e C ounse l f or t h e . Dr. Lusunicrox.—The witness does not undermined . Ay Bill meant to pursue. - Whether or not they would call him as o question. . witness to contradict any statements that might b. made, it was The Soticeroa-GefERAL objected to the courier of examination: for thian to determine ? Mr. Dramas defended the relevancy of *the question. Mt..Dessuas Said, that he had not asked whether ft wee' The Arroarrer-Ossesat. replied at some length, and with' their intenttion to examine Braganti for the purpose of ;warmth.. He conjured their Lordships not to alluw a course of obtaining a contradiction to anything which had been seid, lb• proceeding to. he followed which was at variance with. all ,the merely wiehestepbaciii whether that person was, oc wit nu an rules of law. • Tiro Counsel for the defence hadyestersily called. the country:, ,„.•• 1 -: ~ • • • . • •Iltastellias an evidencein chief on their part. And hid h e b ee n Th e LOR D CHANCELLOR. said, that it was nor, is the here tad examined, such questions as were now pnr to the wit- power of . ‘the How to ask that queationi but it was is sh e ar mess at the bar could not balm been :put to hies , because this power to. decide whether in an? , resew . of the prep: N u m would have been to criminate their own witness. They could- they should themselves call this wuroms.-(aeirtha). hot, therefore, be permitted to pat vestione to another wits The House•then adjourned it Ivoilklock. . ...