Star. — London, England, 1826-03-04 00:00:00

►~ ... ~~~• .?hr A \ w of Parliament for the purpose. But that these Acts having lately ,• 1 expired, they were unable to suppress- practices ruinous to the Petitioners, and to the interests of the Fisheries. He, therefore, prayed the House to take the Petitioners prayer into consideration. and to adopt such measur es for their relief, as in the Wisdom of the House would, seem es p.edient.—Ordered to be printed...: Mr. WC/DEM/US K mooed that an Account, stating the Ave rage Price of Corn during the last six years should be laid before the House.—Ordered. The Hon. Gentleman also moved, that there should be laid before the House a Copy of all Communications received by Go vernment from the different Consuls abroad relative to the Price of Foreign Corn during the same period. Mr. BARING informed the Hon. Gentleman that he coulp procure all the information he wanted on that subject from the Itepott of Mr. Jacobs, which had been laid before the House.. Mr. HONEY WOOD presented a Petition against Slavery from the Inhabitants of Greenwich.—Ordered to be printed. , 'l'be Hon. Member also presented a similar Petition from the In habitants of CoggeshAL—Ordered to be printed. Similar Petitions were presented from the town of Uxbridge and its vicinity, by Mr. Brea ; from the town of Lincoln, by Mr It. Um, • from the Inhabitants of the Town Of Atlington, in the East Riding of Yorkshire, by Mr. SYNE,* • from the Town of Curtsey, in the Collate of Surtey, by !sir. Demme ; and by lord Lowrnas, from the Town of Kendall and ita Vicinity.— Ordered to be printed. Mr. Secretory CANNING, and several other Members, went from the House of Commons to the House of Lords, and had a Conference with their Lordships in the Painted Chamber. In the COMM of the conference the Resolutions of 1623 were sub mitted to their Lordships, and they retired to acquaint their Bette of their purport. HALT PAT OFFICIRS. Mr. CALCRAFT presented a Petition from two Officers of Marines whose Half-pay had been rescinded on account, of their having taken Holy Orders. The Honourable Member thought theirs a very hard case, for they had taken Holy Orders without being aware of whit had since followed. It would appear, he said, that the regulation, which prevented Officers, who had taken Holy Orders from receiving half-pay, had been adopted after they had taken Q.ders, and thereby they bad been prevented from making their choice of the two professions. The regulation had been issued by the Admiralty, and he felt disposed to doubt whether it could be enforced against these two Gentlemen, for they were in fact in the Army. Their Commissions were signed by the King, and this was not the case in the Navy. They bad rank in the Army and not in the Navy, and their wives received pensions as wives of Officers in the Army. When he had mentioned the circumstance of the half-pay allowed to Oaken some time ago in the House, an Honourable Member bad stated that the half-pay was not only a remuneration for past services, but also a retaining fee for their ap pearance when called upon. These Gentlemen, be argued, were not to be considered in that light, for they were on the permanent half-pay list. They had been permitted, after a kngth of service, to enter on the permanent half-pay list. in 1815.---Petition was laid at the table. Sit O.tOCKBURN was extremely sorry to oppose the Petition, .but he could assure the Honourable Member, the reason why the Admiralty had adopted the regulation of not allowing Officers in Holy Orders, te,etve their half-pay was, that they deemed it incom patible with the situation of anOfficer to take Holy Olders. A Committee (for the purpose of putting the Army and Navy on an equality with regard to certain restrictions) bad beeq . luld, and it was decided that the regulations relating to half-pay, adopted by the Army, should for the futute be adopted also by the Navy. The Army bud at that time made a regulation which prevented' Officers on half-pay from taking Holy Orders, this, therefore, had been adopted by the Navy.' The army bad been induced to draw up this regulation, because at that time commissions in the Army were looked upon as me chandize, and the most extensive specula tion car. ied on in the purchase and disposal of them.— It as nothing uncommon for a person at that time to purchase a commission one day and sell it the neat, and Mira on half.pay. He was sorry that the regulation bad effected any praiseworthy individual, but be was medial the Admiralty would not turn a ded ear to the Petitions of Persons who were reduced by this regulation to any personal incomrealeuos. The Admiralty had only done their duty in enforcing the regulation. He was the last man who would throw any obstacle is the way of a deserving Officer who had b.en injured by incorrect:anat. Sir GEORGE CLERK said it would be unfair to the Officels of the Navy, who were snuck off from the service, when they entered into Holy Orifer, if secrecy on the subject sho!.ld be a protection to the Marines. The returns laid before the House on the Ist of March, 1822, stated that none of the Officers on ha.f-pay were in Holy Orders; but 19 July of the 'tree year. wh n returns were required of the number' of Officers, their ayes, and the professions in which they might have engaged, the very Gentlemen whose ca e was now under consideration, stated that he, was about to enter into Holy Orders, and to become an as sistant in a school. So it was clear that he had not then beet ordained, and when he had taken Orders, in the year 1825, he was fully awate of the condition under which he did so. He (Sir G. Clerk) did not conceive that there Was any provision in the Act 56 Geo. lIL hich war ranted the inference that Officers were thereby licensed to enter into the Church, still retaining their !rail. pay. That Act indeed permitted Officers to engage in certain employinents, but such only m were not inconsistent with the resumption of their military duties, as the ecclesiastical state evideatly was. lithe House were of opinion that there was any individual hardship la the pretenflastance, it was but fair to grant individual remuneration. To sods an arrangement he had no ob jection ; but be was decidedly spread to general regulations founded upon the pankuLu cam. It was unfair with relation to the Navy ; and teen in the Army, the Duke ca York considered it quite improper that Ecclesiastics, who had previously been in the aerate. should retain haff-pay. They were accordingly obliged to take the earliest opportunity of selling out. Sir C. COLE was,for taking a general rather than a particular view of the question as it concerned Marine Ufficers on the Half-pay Establishment; years ago, when the Hon. Member for Liverpool desjaed to bring in a Bill for incteasing the amount of Raltpay, be was opposed on the ground that the Half-pay Offi cers were in gene:al young men, and capable of enter ing into any profession they pleased for the. improve ment of their finance% On the faith of that public inti !tuition a great number of Officers actually entered Into Hai Orders, and subjected themselves to many stsponsibilities, by cnatritnony and other engagements, which they would certainly have avoided but for the assurance which ,was held out to them of the continuance of their pay. It was therefore cruel and unjust, he con tended, to abstract from them at this period the pittance of VA a-year, which though trivial in positive amount, was yet of great importance to the poor sufferer , burdened , perhaps , with the starlit: of a large family. He thought that there were many other matters in which the system of nelson and retnenchinent might With elore propriety be perused. To remove an imputation from the character of a most respectable tlerglosans aid in disabuse the Gallant Admiral who had uttered it of a MOPE il"P".418(1% he wished to state, than 141 r. Williams did sot rarest permissions to retire, until be bad sustained a seve re hurt in his base, whiall too dereihlift unlit for the service—and dint was his strie motivierar prefeting the request. Sly C. LONG recommended that the Half.pay in all branches of the Service should be put on a fair footing. Olken of the army who had taken orders were allowed to sell out their eoromialoos while those of the navy were not. After a few words from My CALCSATT the Petitions was re ceived and tiered to be printed. Petitions were presented against Colonial Slavery, by Sir T. Lasnaastioa, fruit the gaily of Beth and Wells; by Mr. Cva. by. ram., front Leamington —The Petitions were ordered to be printed. Mr. Cuevas presented a Petition against the. Coen " Laws, and made some observations as - to she real advantage which poor - farmers would derive from the repeal. The Petition was ordered to be printed. Lord J. RUSSELL obtained leave to bring In $ Bill for the more easy discovery of Bribery and Corruption at Efectlowts.— Read a first time, and ordered to be read a second time as nun. day nest. blr. HUME presented a Prt , tition from the Magistrates and Town Council of Culross, against say aberatioasin the present state of Scotch Currency.—Ordered to be printed. Sir CHA ItLES LONG obtained lest, to bring ip a Bill foe consolidating the several Acts relating to Chelsea Nospital— Read a first time, ordered to be printed, and read i ateani time on Monday. Alderman WOOD presented a Petition from an Individual praying that the Inclo-ure Bills might be so amended asto insures foot-path in cross roads fur the convenience of pedestrian travellers. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER thought the prayer of the petition prinsofacie reamnable and proper, and that the same convenience ought to be afforded on the cross roads as existed on the highways. COLONIAL STATUTES. Mr. BROUGHA M put a question to the Secretary for tbeCelo• Met, as to the nature of the relief afforded by the Colonial Legis latures to the Slave population, and as to how far that relief had been established by Mils or Acts. Mr. W. HORTON replied, and stated that the relief was af forded by Acts passed by the Local Legislatures. Mr. BROUGHAM said, that compuhory manu mission, or an enlargement of the slave, when able to purchase his freedom at the appraised value of his services, independently of the consent of his master, wasenot established by any legislative enactment. The cart-whip and driving system continued; and, except the Acts of Jamaica, nothing was done as to slave evi dence. There were 20 colonies, ircluding Honduras, the Cape of Good Hope, and the conquered colonies. .Of those, thirteen had Legislative Assemblies. It was .said,that seven of them had adopted measures of ame lioration; but sinless some change had taken place since the 22d of last November, not more than three had passed any legislative measures as to the admissi bility of slave evidence, namely, Tobago, Barbadoes, and Dominica. The' Act of the last had been passed eight years since, and so could not be said to come within obedience to ' , the Order in Council. In Tobago the evidence of a slave was allowed - in one case . only, where a slave was murdered by a fide man, and where slaves only witnessed the act. In Barbadoes, the evi dence of a slave could not be received, unless he pro-, duced a certificate of his credibility from a regular Clergyman of the Establishment • though the Order in Council required only the certificate of any Clergy man, whether Protestant, Catholic, or Dissenter.— That Act was very properly dilillowed by the Mi nisters of the Crown as making the slaves' coo -1 (titian infinitely worse than it was before. It was said that five Colonies tolt measures to legiti mate the man iage of slaves; but he found that such improvement was confined to Bahama alone, where the right of the master was still reserved. The right of property WAS also stated to have been secured to the slave; but he found that it was in Trinidad and Dean- , rare only the order in Council was promulgated ; and in tht latter pin* its promulgation was productive of mischief rather than good, by the omission of that - clause which established compulsory manumission, thereby intimating to the other Colonies that that order was retracted by Great Britain. In Trinidad the slave had a right of property ; but he was prohibited from cultivating any of the staple articles of the island, and therefore excluded from the only means of purchasing his freedom. In five of the Colonies, it was said, that the separat'on of families on a sale of slaves was pia hibited. It was true tbat in either Tobago or Granada, several partial measures of the kind were introduced. A mother could not be separated hem her child. but a husband and wife might be divided. The regulation. so far - as it went, was good; but a great deal more was necissary. They were told of modifications of punish ment which took place in eight Colonies; but instead of eight, he was only. aware of one Colony, Tobago, where a !eduction of punishment was agreed to, thirty nine lashes having been brought down to twenty. But then the Act was so mixed up with other measures which defeated its beneficial eff.cts, that it was not ad mitted by Mioisters. The Acts of Mitigation were enumerated as seventy or eighty. He would, therefore move for return of the Acts which had been passed since the 16th of May, 1823, for promoting the religious instruction of the slave—autho rizing their marriages and their manuntission—prohibiting their separation by the sale of those attached to estates—restricting and regulating the rusWitnents- inflicted by masters—distinguishing the titles and dates of the Acts, and the places of their enacunent— and whether they had been allowed or disallowed. He would further move for Returns of the Papers which had arrived since the 20th of December. These would shew how far the statements whiels had bests made were born out by facts, and whether harm or good had been done. Tile was important, as great misappre hension must have arisen from what passed on a former evening, auto what had been done, unless much more WAS dose than that which appeared. • Mr. WILMOT,HORTON said. that as the Honour able and Learned Member bad not given him any inti maw' n of his intention to bring forward his motion, he could not give a derailed answer to all the questions which he had put to him. He had no hesitation, how ever, in declaring that the Colonial Office was respon sible for the papers which had been laid upon the table, and to which the Hon. and Le.trned Member had ad vetted. With respect to Demerara, the House would recollect, th it the question there was one of coitumacy. The Hon. and Learned Member had spokes of the dint'• lowanee of the Acts of the Legislatures of Tobago and the! Bahamas. The Hon. Member had, however, been mis informed upon this subject. It was his (Mr. W. Nor ton's) intention, shortly to submit to the House a tabu lar statement, specifying the colonies in which the Act had been introduced, together with the modifications proposed by the Colonial Legislatures. He had hoped to have had it in his power to lay this statement before them at an earlier period, but be bad been prevented by the illness el a Gentleman connected with the Colonial Department, whose assistance was necessary to the pre- paring of the vat ions documents. This Gentleman was Mr. INephen, the Colonial Counsel. Owing to the reductions which had lately taken place in the depart ment to which be (Mr. W. Horton) belonged, the public business was likely to be frequently retarded by a circumstance such as that to which be had alluded ; and such was the rage 1 r economy in petty &sags, introduced by the Hon. Member for Montrose. that he Colonial r. M . Herten) thought it would be but justice towards the e, to pass as Act to render it irresponsible foe tbio future—(Hear, bear). The Han. Member concluded, by saying!, that he would not forestall the information which would be com municated to the House to the papers to which be had alluded, awl which be hoped very shistly tc be enabled to lay upon the takle. DROUG H ',molten in what Wanks the Order in ' was received es law Le. WILMOT-HORTON replied in St. i ipenie and ,e Honorable Gendeinan was aware, is Deduirara. furtniehthence it would be the law of the Cape of Good I•Pg:anikip Tobago. In the Island of Manikin a little mote dry WNW be required as the Consmlssionets there *add not re so soon. . HU ME objected to the appointment of Mr. Stephens to the place of Colonial Counsel, inasmuch as he considered hie father the most determined enemy to the Colonies. Mr. WILMOT-HORTON would make it a question for the profession of the air to decide whether a man's private feelings could be supposed to interfele with his public duty. Bet independently of that consideration, he could assure the Hesse, that Mr. Stepnen never entruatinto cinsultation with his father upon Colonial subjects. To his integrity, ability. and attention to proksdenal duty he (Mr. Wilmot-Horton) bore the most unequivegalteetineony. When his father bad published a pamphlet in which.** sailed the Oulu in Council men hub, be vraithereby pawing a tenethe upon the work of bh son. Mr. F. BUXTON agree 4 with Mr. W. Horton in the view which he had taken at. MN Stephen's character. He was aware, front a conversation .wkb Mr. Stephen. the Muter in Maury, that be had arranged never to hold auy communication with his sou upon Colonial alfalfa. Mr. HUMS explained. He had no intention, he said to dis parage the character of Mr. Stephen. The motion was then put and earned. Mr. BKOUGHAM rose to give notice, that on the eOtb of April he Wield move forking to bring in a Bin for ameliorating the condition of the Slaves. • • • • . - •... *my from the Parish Nortalogialli. .111NOt by Mr. Ass*. Mr. I! OOP% the *eifieet isf MiWord ; Mr. BA ; w reunion, and .Connsil 'frotthe liwtteeire and Inhabitants s>t G glens ;by Mr. Pommy% Mr. from Caton, in Laneaahke; by Sit ReXuwortsiksons,l.edbury, la 'as t h e • Herefordshire ; and the inhabitants of Elavedford-strart ; by Mr. l a a fur F. linsiren, from the Parish of Gillinginint; &adwkk; in jai Herefordshire • Dartmouth ; Chatham, &seed, and Kingsbury, da ir y an in Kent; So u th and West Corringbam, in Nottinghamshire; cries; it Beckford ; the Clergy of Gkinworth and froth the fehabiteets Mr. of Monmouth ; by Mr. BIRWAL, from Rochester; tri Mr. Gale- t h e ose COMMITTIS ON SUPPLY.. I nrd PALMERSTON moved the Order of the Day for going into a Committee of Supply. The "testiest having been put. Colonel DAVIES said that be would move for a Se fact Committee to consider the military expenditure of the country. If that wet, *flowed, he would then agree to going into a Committee of Supply, and would have ! no objection to the grant of a quarter's supply. The' Hon. Member took a comparative view of the finances and resources of this country and that of Wants and America, arid contended that itor military estabAshment was eaormosnly diva. palisade. He particularised the garrison of Gibraltar. and the, troops stationed in Canada, as extremely overgrown for their ler.] vices respectively. In coodusien he moved- 44 That a *het Cala mine, be appointed to examine into the whole Military Sara& tare of the country." Mr. BROUGHAM seconded the motion. bird PALMERSTON said, that as it appeared that the only reason the Hottourab e Gentleman opposed the Speaker's leaving the Chair as in order to substitut his own motion tor another ommittee, be should coo. tent himself with merely stating that it had bith been the practice for the House to examine the subject In a Can. mines of the wings House, rather than in a Select Comanitteste... This, he thought, in itself was a sulkiest answer to the Honourable Gentleman for the present ; the more so, as be would have It in his power, if he pleased, to ripest in the Committee, any part or the whole digs obicaglans on each of the proposed Votes when put la the Committee. The motion of Colonel Dimes, after a few observations hue Mr. C. Pma,w was negatived without a division, and the HIM went into the eimmittee of Supply. VISMITTIS of SUPPLY. Lord PALMERSTON said ally person who had heard the Hon. Member (Col. Davies) would think that the estimates now proposed had been greatly increased ' , whereas the sum estimated was almost precisely that voted last year. lire difference in men amounted to about SOO, occasioned by three companies raised in Newfoundland, and paid by that colony; and the sum was greater by 126,0001. of which 84,0001. was occa sioned by the change in the currency of Ireland. The remainder was occasioned by augmentations begun in April last, and brought into the current year. The estimates the first class, including the land forces, staff, &c. amounted to 1040.000 1 i more than those of the last year. The increase in the land forces was 96,0001. the staff 26201. the largest part of which arose from the change of the currency in Ireland ; the remainder was occasioned by the augmentation in the medical staff on the coast of Africa. '1 he diminution in the medical staff at home had been considerable. In the public depart ments there had been a diminution of 9,4471. Very great progress bad been made in the settlement of the armor ac. counts, and it had been, and would continue to be, his (Lord Palmerston's) great endeavoer IQ make every practicable reduction of expenditure in this office. Under the head of medical charges there had been a dltainution of 9611. In the estimate for volunteer corps there was an increase of 8,9661. arising from its being supposed that the services of more yeomanry for per. manent duty would be required this year than the last. The addition, therefore, would arise from the expenses of the corps whilst on permanent duty ; for the number was diminished to about eight hundred men, so that there would be a saving in contingent allowances. It had been represented that the allowance to this force whilst on permanent duty was inadequate. It was ss. per day each man, for himself and his horse. This al. lowance was really insufficient for the expenses in curred by this class of persons whilst engaged I. a temporary military service, and it was there fore proposed to increase the allowance 2s. which would make it 7s. per day. This was another nasals' for the loci ease in the estimates by 8,9661. In the second class there Was no material variation. In the third class there was an increase of 23,7911. There was no mate. rial variation in respect to the Royal Military College. There was an increase of 5,8391. in the estimate for the pay of General Officers.' In that for garrisons there was no material variation. In the full-pay to retired Officers there was a diminution of 7,5001. in the half pay and military allowances 2,4141. In the foreign half.pay there was a diminution of 29,9181. The ch-rge on account of in.pensiohers of Chelsea Hospital was increased 3,3001. 'that for out.pensioners was increased! 44,6531. in consequence of additional casualties. The Royal Military Asylum was much the same as the ii. year. The widow's•pensions was increased 6,6701. the 4. 1 low an ces on the Compassionate List was increased4,l9ol, l The Superannuation allowances were diininished 1,7591. The Exchequer lees continued the same as last year. The estimate for the veteran corps wai diminished 3,9591. The numbers and expenditure of the two years there, f •re stood thus :—Number of men in 1825, 76.345..-1 Number of men in 1826, 76,572; making an increase of 227 men. Charges in 182.5, 6,476,000/. Charges in 1326, 6,602,0001. making an increase of 126,0001. the cause of which had been already explained. The army had been increased last year, it was true; but this increase had been acquiesced in by the House, end 1 !te sti e by the Honnurabe Member (Colonel Davies) him self. The Honourable Gentlemen suggested that Co. lonial Regiments should be raised, in order to dispense with the services of the regular army; but be (L. rd Palmerston) conceived that if Officers were commis. sioned for general service, they would not like to lin required to serve in perpetual banishment, at a lower rate of pay. The force would likewise be locked e i and not be available for general service; it would, moreover become infinitely inferior in point of effi. eienty—( Hear). For the proposal - of the Hon. Member Id substitn:e militia for a part of the regular fa rce, the Horse would be aerate that, under the existing law of the country, it could not,b; carried into effect. The Crown, at present, had no power to Seep the mill is , permanently embodied in time of peace.nnlese under cir cumstances of danger from invasion or reirelliOn ; and. even setting aside that objection, what could tse gained by such a proceeding ? Certainly n's diminu tion of expense. Militia nien must be fed, and paid as well as regular troops; and we should be only ea changing a very admirable and complete description of - force f.r a very imperfect one. Upon the colonisil farce he would not detain the House far ther than to observe, that he denied distinctly that it was at'all greater than it ought to be. The observations upon North America would be best answered by his Honourable Friend, the Secretary for the Colonial Department (Mr.W. Horton.) The other station objected to, however, was peculiarly unfortunate—Ate alluded to the assertion respecting the garrison of Gibraltar ; inasmuch as an Hon. and gallant Member (Sir Robert Wilson) bad declared, only in the last Session, that having . personally visited that place. he had seen and been satisfied with his own eyes. that the garrison was not at all greater than was oN,* and indeed scarcely, in his opinion, sufficient: ea Noble Lord sat down by moving, that a force of MHO mil should he maintained, exclusive of our foam in the East Indies, fog the service of the present year. Lord MILTON objected to that votes altoge • ther, because he perceived they were all founded as a false principle, namely, an overweening anxiety to employ an enormously large British military force at hoot* and abroad. It was part of the military mania which bad arisen from our connection for some years with the Potentates of the Holy Alliance. Coked DAVIIII oopithoml holooloestolosi to she proprivil of granting the Aral, itstkoato of test yew Mr. HUME believed that the whole of thermtirowea: for the service of the present year might basal.); ',doted one half. If the House memo am as honest Mensatkd keep faith wi.h the public coeditor, they would, lee what could be done to keep the expes4tine of ihip country within reasonable bounds. The Honottr• able Member then referred to the example of the Kim of Bavaria. In the year 1816, after much deliberation. the Howe appointed a Committee to inquire into the state of the Revenue and Expenditure, and to report its obstrvattioqs and recommendations to the House.-- That Committee referred back to the year 179% being the last period of settled peace. The Noble Lord said, that it was ridiculous to go back to the year 1799. Na doubt, he thought so ; but did those who pay the taxes think so? So far from it, that they had petitions fur reduction of taxes pouring in, and more would yet come. 'lithe Noble Lord, for instance, who probably received 3,0001, or 4,0001. per annum, was reduced one-half, and others, who were paid ?till better, reduced in a similar proportion, and every . expense, in short, put upon a footing of economy, Ile had no doubt that a relief of twelve millions of taxes might easily be afforded. In 1792 the whole expense of the army, including . she ordnance, was only four millions, it was now (bur times that amount. It was true that the revenue in 1792 was only seventeen m llioos, and that now it was Afty•five millions, but if so large a sum could be annually extracted from the people, it only strewed, to what an elevated pitch of prosperity the country; might be carried if the people was relieved. , In. 1792, the total number of the army, including marines and artillery, was 59,000; now they were called upon to vote 104,000 men for these setvicies, In this, the eleventh year of peace, and in the proses& state of thb country, could any thing warrant . such a vote? In India, there was, besides, a militia ifF MAW men. In England and Ireland. there was * militia to the number of 74,000, entailing an expense of 163,0001. In Ceylon and the Cape 4,000 or 5.000 'mote, making altogether 259;000 men. either in army or ready to be called out. The total increase, since ,1795, was net less than 179,000 men. lie did ink plore the attentiou of the House to what had been the recommendation of the Committee of Finance. which certainly deserved the confidence of the House. The Honourable Member here read an extract from the Report of the - Committee, which recommended a sear - - and speedy approsimation to the establishment" of 1792, as highly advantageous with a - AO to relieving the then existing distresses. Since that time the prices of stores, etc. had been much reduced; so that no apology for disappointing the espectAtions of the Committee could be made on that score. What then had taken place since that period? The Noble Lard had stated, In 1817, th , t the estimates of that year weae not so low as they were to be in future years. In that statement the House went fully with the Noble Lord, and calculated that a large portion of the expenditure might be saved. He would, however, say that every thing had increased instead of decreased.— He should mbve an amendment as nearly as possible in the words. for be amid am express it better than in the steeds d the Committee ; be Amid suave that it was the opinion el that 0111MIktee, that it was 'wawa akappeaach as Dear sad ss ssoil as pesdhle to the military ottabothseat tlt 1715. Mr.- BROGDEN thought that according to the practice of the House the Homoorable Member viscid am move so seas& is ansellpaht h 1 the Cenuttittee upon this ps rticular liasebsties. Mr. HUME said, that he bad on former occasion% moved an amendment quite as general upon every particular Resolution. He then moved the amendment, that. " in the opinion of the Committee a large reduc tion should be made in the Estimates so as to make than approximate to the establishments of 171111. u reeentatemled by the Committee of lal7."—(The auteadatesit here repeated the the words of the Committee.) Lord PALMERSTON said, if the Hon. Member was to obtain the consent of the Committee to the reso lution he had proposed. it would not necessarily requite the Committee to reject- the resolution, he (Lord . Pal- merston) had bimselt moved. The whole question b:tweea him and the Hon. Member, whether the ap proximation as neat as possible to the establishments of '1792, which he (Mr. Hume) recommended, i.s point of fact, was or was not made out. :Because, by the whole of the argument which he (Lold Palmerston) had addressed to the House, he had endeavoured to make out that the mere establishments of 1792 were nut the just criterion. The Committee must look at the present circumstances of the country. He had Feu, tended that the establishment now proposed was not larger than the existing circumstances racrtired; and if that argument was of any force, there he bad shown that the Government had in p Ant of fact acquiesced in the recommendation of the Committee of Ftnance, The Hon. Member stated, that if the Goveronaeot*Ald have acted upon his recommendation, they woul4 have reduced the expenditure upon all the establWsosents just one. half. If the Committee would look,to the Army Estimate, they would perceive that abut one halt of the sum proposed to be voted was aectibuble to the effective part of the atmy. and the otbet.half was for half pay and other charges; eon,equetstly, if Om Hon. Member's tecommendannu were adopted, it *avid very . nearly 'dep.'', the country of the whole or the actual ,attpy. With respect to the disposition for a military ~~`a. . . V