Star. — London, England, 1813-03-02 00:00:00

and cultivation ? he would have remained, to use the quotatign that had been employed, like one of is those lumps of marle, which encumbered the ground, but were incapable of fertilizing it."—(Hear.) He was surpr;sed at a gallant Officer's laying so much stress on a petition from Fermanagh, on account of its nu merous signatures—he who had fought and bled in Egypt, leading on Catholic soldiers, whose conduct and loyalty he had praised, as well as another gal lant Office .hr laid that their conduct was an ', and who, at their head, re in his country's service which That officer had also had the op ig the late worthy Pontiff, Pius Immailded our dragons, who Rome, and having received from ionour. A small petition from the French Refugees still more (ey had never before shown such _ not perceiving the signs of the persecution would apply to all reli petitioned against concession, and even the words " all and retry." For the ho n nature, this petition ought not to have They ought to have known the persecution, which weakened the and shed oceans of human blood, • of Louis XIV. A worthy Al id, concerning his larger petition, a right to express his opinion. . not a petition somewhat larger tears back, set the four corners of Fals. and detestable hand-bills !yen at the doors of that House, opinions of a Catholic, that Mr. !core, and that what was pro. insult to the Catholic Body.— " the third part of the Penal .graceful. In the new Protes • lamented to see the name of an , and worthy man (Sir Granville ved a long life of virtue and piety, less the best intentions. Yet his not stand on the Coronation oath, but on his reading the Apo ! had found, that if the Catholics wrath of Gob would be poured ;dom ! (Hear, hear.) The thing zy admitting the principle. A story the new society, of an Irish girl, :eller she thought the priest was Ted— ,, he is like a God to me !" absurdities fit to be disseminated ? in our own hands : we took all ck, little by little. What was re ,t importance, but we should be coring them. The Church of Eng but by its own neglect. Go into a zy might find Catholics more rea pposed. They might have con former year, but time changed , would be yielded to at one mo purned at on another occasion.— ,ssible that even the veto might The Catholics originally, and tion, had all the privileges of d it was the policy and duty to restore them. Mr. Whitbread u tides in the Hue and Cry, under •y the 6th, respecting the fire at anbridge, in which, alter noticing e of the crime, it was observed, suspected that there were any le College : another article alluded ,gle for dominion, which, it said, )1 the newspapers, and which had nuisance, and ought to be put an .zd to know what the Under Secre the Home Department would say to publication ? (hear.) Was this late affection and procure good almost think, on reading such 'ed in the time of altes's conspi. of them was a fit man to have ion on the monument, which, • pointing to the skies, r, lifts its head, and lies / that whenever it was known , our shone OR the Catholic claims, measure would be quite as easy .oleration Bill last year. Then, .he Church would readily acquiesce. ression of an Hon. Baronet early in ith mitres on their heads, and those heads, would take quite a diffe that which they had pursued : for mitres on their heads, could have translation. If Court favour ran ,petted to do, the thing would soon :hurch had taken some unjustifiable ion. He had heard of an Arch ) his apparitor to procure his sig ,e his dismissal. A man who va goods, dared not refuse. The posed, some years ago, to enter sentiments. If the cause of the / to be destroyed, would they_ not Tomises which had been held out to 1 it that offered them the cup of ex ,mpted them to the intoxication ? pointed all their hopes ? (Hear.) lie House would take care they rived or disappointed ; but that it , w up that resolution to which it tajority last year. There was, he zl Conscience now standing in the is ; and if nothing in the nature ,fence existed to obstruct them, were well known, he was con rorthy Alderman (Curtis) would as he had been, with his enormous Ititions, indeed, would not appear. . entering upon this great and good ,ors of his friend (Mr. G.) would unmated. The Catholic subjects to all places of power and honour, rhich must be filled by a Protestant :me head of our Protestant Church fix the security of the whole The Church of England would :curity and safety in the additional of the Empire at large ; and time of respite and repose from td lately been engaged in, and for real and Christian duties : Ireland stied and contented, and this whole rendered united, stgong, and secure. The Hon. F. ROBINSON expressed some dilk. dence in rising upon a question on which so many Gentlemen much superior to himself were anxious to deliver their opinions. This, however, had always appeared to him a question in which magnificence of declamation, exuberance of wit, and vehemence of invective, were unnecessary. He had last year assented to the motion that had been made, and he should now assent to the present motion. He had defended it before, as he should defend it now, on the ground that the question had come to such a shape and point, that it was necessary to take it into Serious consideration. They had been long debating on abstract proposition, and he thought the time had come for discussing the specific remedy. If he thought the remedy proposed would be only satisfactory to one party, he should not support it.— He allowed that nothing could be less conciliatory than the language of the Catholic Board ; but their language was of the same sort last year, when he agreed to the motion. As to the petitions from this country, he had never supposed that this country would be indifferent to a point of such great import ance ; and he must allow that a number of petitions so respectably signed, were entitled to very great weight. Those petitions, however, went no farther than to call upon the House to provide sufficient securities and safeguards for the Constitution ; and in this part of their prayer, he and almost every man would be ready to coincide with them. Several petitions had proceeded from the Clergy, which he thought were also entitled to the greatest respect.— The Honourable Gentleman (Mr. Whitbread) had passed a very high encomium upon a phrase which an Honourable Baronet (Sir Robert Heron) had used in the fervour of maiden oratory, of Clergymen "with mitres on their heads, and others with mitres in their heads." This phrase appeared to him to be' so far from deserving the high encomiums that the Honourable Gentleman had pronounced, that it ap peared to him a gross calumny on that respectable body who signed those petitions. Without compar ing the state of the Catholic mind this year with what it was last year, he must say, and he thought almost every body must allow, that a very great change had taken place since the time that those restrictions and disabilities were considered necessary by our ancestors. What might, therefore, have been necessary fu former times, did not appear to him to be on that account necessary at present.— Now it was perfectly known and established that the Throne is Protestant ; whereas, formerly the Catho lics naturally looked to the probability of the suc ceeding Monarch being a Catholic, and favouring their views. It was therefore not surprising, on the contrary, it was very natural that the founders of the Revolution should not only have declared that the Throne should be Protestant, but that those who ap proached it should be Protestants also. It was also to be recollected,that there were then pretenders to the Crown, which we have not at the present day. Al though he intended voting for the House to go into a Committee, to take those claims into consi deration, yet if he supposed that nothing would be proposed in the Committee beyond the •Resolution of the Right Honourable Gentleman (Mr. Grattan), he should not support it. He was not surprised at many feeling an apprehension of danger from the Catholics. In fact, our Constitution was full of jea lousy : it was jealous of the Crown, jealous of the aristocracy, and jealous of democracy; it was there fore by no means wonderful if there should be a jea lousy of Catholics also. This proper jealousy, how ever, should by no means be carried so far as to pre vent any of them filling their just and proper rank in the State. He was therefore,now fully prepared Logo into the Committee with a strong hope of realizing all those objects which had been stated last year in the Resolution which the House had adopted on the mo tion of a Right Hon. Gentleman. Sir T. ACLAND, in a maiden speech, observed, that the question was not about leaving our Consti tution in Church and State without securities ; but whether, in the room of the securities now existing, others might not be substituted that were as free from danger, and less objectionable. If no real good were to be expected from the House going into a Committee, he should not vote for it : he believed, however, that it would not be difficult to find other securities, which would remove the danger apprehen ded. As to the effectual preservation and guard of the Protestant Church, he thought it almost as neces sary as the preservation of our monarchy and of our liberties. In the laws which were passed at the time of the Union between England and Scotland, there was an express reservation of the power of Parliament to alter the provisions of those enactments, if they thought proper. He could not avoid recollecting, that many of the greatest statesmen of our age, how ever they differed on other points of policy, were agreed on this, that there was a possibility of making a safe arrangement of the Catholic claims, without danger to the present Constitution. Last year it had appeared to the majority of theH cuse, that the time was come for taking into consideration those Catholic peti tions. He was anew Member of th at House, bu the consi. dered the resolution of the House last Session to be a legacy which the present Parliament should be anxi ous to ratify and confirm. He could certainly have wished that the foundations of freedqm to the Catho lics bad been gradually and silently laid, in such a manner as would have afforded effectual security.— Among a number of arguments which he could bring to shew an alteration of late years in the Catholic mind, he must observe, that Catholics in Ireland fre quently sent their children to be educated by Prote. stant Clergymen. He would also mention the great increase of late years, of Roman Catholics as students in the college of Dublin. He had spent some short time in Ireland, and maws the many hospitalities he received there, he was at the house of a Protestant Gentleman, where the Catholic servants carne up without scruple, and with the permission of their titular Bishop, to join in the general family worship, which was taken from the liturgy of the Church of England. He considered that their conduct was, in every situation of life, such as to induce the House to remove the remaining penalties and disabilities un der which they now labour. Sir T. SUTTON spoke for some time ; but the lowness of his voice, and the noise which was then making in the House, prevented us from hearing the speech. We understood him, however, to be against the claims of the Catholics, Lord PALMERSTON could not suppress his anxiety on the present occasion s to give something more don_ A Rion voienpoet this gnostic*: Altbongh he was ftsie to confis4 that the vote of the last Par liament was by no means binding upon the present, yet he saw nothing to make him think that the pre sent Parliament would differ materially from the vote that had been given in the last. At the time that that vote had been even, the resolutions of the Ca tholic Board had been fully as violent as they have since been ; and yet the House thought at that time, that it would be beneath its dignity to alter the course that they were then prepared to take,merely on account of some intemperate expressions used by the Catholics. He wasi extremely glad, that they had not at this time mint forward with any claim of right, as that was a thing which he never could admit. He never would allow, that the Legislature had not at all times the right to make such enactments as in its judgment were most conducive to the public good.— Not allowing, however, that the Catholics could justly found a claim of right, yet he would say, that it appeared to him highly expedient, that many of the restrictions under which the Catholics laboured should be done away. Restrictions of this nature were not the rule of the Constitution, but an excep tion to the rule; and it was as necessary for those who contended for the continuance of the restrictions, to shew that they are necessary at the present time, as it was for those who first laid them on, to thew that they were then necessary. He conceived that no sufficient case had been made out fox the con. 1 tinuance of those restrictions, and that no serious danger could be apprehended either to the army or the navy from allowing to Catholic Officers their fair chance of promotion in both these services. On what ground could any man say, that it was safe to entrust the Catholic officer with the command of a regiment, but that it was not safe to trust him with the command of a brigade ? He thought that it would be an idle waste of words to attempt to refute the objections made to Catholic officers being allow. ed to aspire to the same promotion as other meu. He thought that no man could seriously or rational ly apprehend danger on this point. The great stand, however, would, as he apprehended, be made against their admission into Parliament. If, however, they were admitted, the number of them who would be in troduced into the other House of Parliament, woull be so very small, that he conceived it impossible for them in that House to produce any material change. As for the Catholics who might come into that House, it was his firm opinion that they would act exactly in the same way as Protestant Gentlemen, and range themselves under different parties, according to their different feelings and views of politics. lie could not conceive kow they could get any great influence in a House where they would form so considerable a mi nority, unless they were to bargain or coalesce with some great Protestant party. He could hardly be , lieve that any large Protestant Party could ever be found in that House who would join them in subver . ting the Constitution ; but supposing all this to take place, there would still remain a Protestant King, and House of Peers, almost entirely Protestant, and an indignant people who would protect the Constitution and the country from any danger with which it would be threatened. (Hear, hear.) He believed that if the Catholics had used a more conciliatory language, their cause would have been . now much forwarder than it is. He did not think, however, that that consideration should interfere with the legislative wisdom of the House. He even . thought that the long exclusion of the Catholics from situations to which other men might aspire, had a tendency to produce a constantly increasing irrita tion ; as it might often happen, that the same am. bition, which if allowed to flow in its regular and natural channel, would be found exerting itself in the service of the country, would, if not permitted to flow in that way, induce men to aspire to the distinction of being leaders of party. He therefore thought that it would be much better that the am bition of the Catholic Gentry should be directed in its proper and natural course, than to have it diverted from that course by unnecessary restrictions. He should therefore vote for going into the Committee ; and although he had the strongest wish that some. thing might be there suggested which would be con. dilatory to the Catholics, without at all endangering the Established Church of the State, yet he did not hold himself pledged to adopt the particular resolu tion stated by a Right Hon. Gentleman (Mr. Grat tan). He should go into the Committee unfettered by any pledge, and he hoped that great advantage would be derived from taking the subject into their serious consideration. Mr. HART DAVIS, jun. spoke shortly against going into a Committee. He warned the House to be cautious how they acceded to such a measure, as they would find it, when in the Committee, very diffi cult to make a retreat from it. Mr. H. LASCELLES said, he thought the question of great importance. He would be as ready as any man to relieve the Catholics from any of the grievances they complained of, where it could be done with safety ; but he thought they ought specifi• tally to point out the particular grievance, and what concessions would be considered by them as an ac tual relief. He thought also, that they should give such securities as would satisfy the House and the country. He hoped he should not be deemed illibe ral, in mentioning these cautions ; but in his opinion the case required that the House should know what was actually expected, before they held out hopes of redress, which might afterwards be disappointed. Mr. PONSONBY submitted to the House, whe ther at that late hour, it would be better to adjourn or to proceed? Many of the Members here called out , e go on, go on I" but the cry of 14 adjourn," being loud, the Right Hon. Gentleman moved an adjournment of the debate to this day, which was carried, and the House adjourned at Two o'CLocx this morning. - The Cunticem.oa of the EXCHAQUICIL has given notice, as may be seen in our Parliamentary report, that he would, on Wednesday next, move that the House do resolve itself into a Committee, to consider the general state of Finance, 'Phis, we presume, is preparatory to his giving notice of what amount of Exchetiner Bills he means to fund, and in what Stock. It has been expected for some days, in consequence of which the Funds generally have been upon the decline.—Consols were, this morn ing, about 50 for Money. IlitlCEOk 5 POCKS THis DAY A' l' 0101 e. 0 LLOCKt Bank Stock 9181819—India Stock 16001 Red. 581 H—Cons. 58{ 581 —for at. salf-4 per Ct. Tsi per Cent. 88 871---B4a. 6..dia—.oinniunt nothing done. Bank Long Anne. 15 3-l6tks i—liActe. Bilk is. THE. EVENING STAR LONDON. TUESDAY, MARCH 2, 1813. Five Gottenburgh Mails are now due, but although considerable anxiety prevails, it is unmixed with any apprehensions as to the continued success of the Rus sians. The last letters, received direct from Dantzic, are dated on the 18th of January, the claT b `'ter the gates were closed, and they certainly afford strong grounds to believe that the surrender actually took place on the 27th of that month, as reported.— The garrison was described as consisting of troops cf all nations, who acted with no cordiality, and on one occasion, where an Officer was ordered under arrest for calumniating the French, the soldiers positively refused to seize him ! Pzivats accounts from Berlin, received by the lame opportunity, state the Russians continued to advance without opposition. General STEINHILLp with 0011 corps, is at New Stettin ; WITTGENVIMII, at Rosen. walde, in Prussian Pomerania ; and Pt,aforr, with his brave Cossacks, has entered the Marche of Bran. denburgh. We rejoice to hear, that the Russian troops observe the strictest discipline, and are every where received with exultation by the inhabitants..-,. No preparation whatever was made to defend Berlin, on the contrary, the inhabitants were unreserved in expressing their wishes for their approach. A vessel arrived in the River State from the French coast. No Exposi of the 4tate of the F..ropiee has yet been published ; and it is reported that the conscription now meets with more serious obstruction • than ever. At Paris k was whispered that the State Prisoner, alluded to in a late article from Vienna, was Prince SCHWARTMBERO, who had been charged by BONAPAATX with causing the ruin of his arm,-. Other reports stated him to be WHAT, King of Naples, who had been arrested 04 his way to Italy, by order of BONAPARTE. The oaly objection to the prob bility of the latter statement is, that the mysterious personage spoke nothing but Latin to his keepers ! We believe that it is only since his elevation to the I Throne, that Mutter was taught to sign his name The army at Alicant amounted, With all its rein forcements of Italians, Calabrese, Sicilians, 4c. to 25,000 men; of which number 9000 were English and Germans. The total of the forces that had Ar rived from Sicily was 16,000. Sucarr had about 20,000 effective to oppose them, and it Was reported that Souvr had detached 8000 more men to join him. There was no immediate prospect of operations; the British had no cavalry, and the rivers on the east coast of Spain were impassable. Lord W. BENTINCK remained in Sicily on the 16th of January. By the Corunna and Cadiz Mails of yesterday. Government received Dispatches from the Marquis of WELLIstoTow, dated the 15th, and from Alicant of the 7th ultimo. The Marciais of WILLING/VS% dispatches corn. mnnicate no military event. The French retained all their positions, and made no demonstration of an intention to make an immediate movement. Hie Lordship, we are glad to hear t enjoyed the most excellent state of health, and hunted regularly thrice a week. NAVAL IN7ELLIGENCZ. FALMOUTH, FEBRVARY 27. Sailed the American prize, Hope, for Foamy. The met of war that put in here remain as per lan.—Wind N.N.W. TORBAY, FEBRUARY SS. Arrived late last night a ship, nanse unknown, and landed 0 Mall from Rio Janeiro, when she sai)ed again for the Westward. Sailed this morning his Majesty's ships Stag, Insolent, sued Lord Cochrane.—Wind N.W. PLYMOUTH, FEBRUARY rt. Sailed the ST ma cutter, ef eight guns, for Lisbon, wish dill patches; the UNISORN, eti guns, for Basque Roads; and tits BOTH S, of SS guns; 1144outricawr, Desseau, Asaacaostate s and Co en Wire DOI a, of 74 guns each, for the Blest StatiOne'• Arrived the Gastatta cutter., (rem Torlsty..-The Wasp, of 11 guns, and TEA: ca, of 14 guns, came from the Sound to Stoney house Poolr-The Rase, of Se guns, went as Hassan to the Sound.—lt is very probable that the lam Squadron wI again come to anchor, as the wind is from the Westward. 3111 i Admiral is however making a good oing, in espeetadon of a shift of wind. and cultivation ?he would have remained, to use the The Hon. F. ROBINSON expressed sows dii quotation that had been employed, like one of" theist!: deuce in rising upon a question on which so ms lumps of mark, which encumbered the ground, but Gentlemen much superior to himself were anxious were incapable of f er tili z in g it."—(Hear.) He was d e li ver t h e i r op i n i ons . Thi s, h owever, had alws e surprised at a gallant Officer's laying so much stress appeared to him a question in which magnificer on a petition from Fermanagh, on account of its nu- of declamation, exuberance of wit, and vehemer - . 0 onerous signatures—he who had fought and bled in of invective, were unnecessary. He had last ys Egypt, leading on Catholic soldiers, whose conduct assented to the motion that had been made, a and loyalty he had praised, as well as another gal-" he should now assent to the present motion. I lam Officer, who said that their conduct was an had defended it before, as he should defend it sic honour to the army, and who, at their head. re- on the armed rh2P rhp /111PCtirlil Pflftla trt curl • lant ()fixer, who said th l' honour to the army, and 1 ceived that wound in hi distinguished him. That portunity of knowing the the 6th, having comma; formed his guard at Rome him distinguished honour the descendants of the F surprised him. They had imprudence. Now, not r times, and how persecutio gions, they petitioned ag • underlined the words " al nour of human nature, thi been presented. They c dreadful effects of perseci 1 French Monarchy, and sh through the bigotry of LI derman (Curtis) said, cot t s that every man had aril Very true : but did not than that, some years ba ,London in flames ? FAO, were circulated, even at pretending to be the opini Grattan was insincere, posed would be an insul Such measures like 41 di Statutes" were disgracef tant Association he lame amiable, benevolent, and I Sharpe) who had lived a 1 and who had doubtless th objections really did not st and such matters ; but calypse, wherein he had wete admitted, the wrath . down on this kingdom ! }:. was done already by admi is• was circulated by the ne: . who being asked whether like a God ? answered—' (hear.) Were these absur, • The securities were in oui away, and doled back, liti ; tamed was of great imr more secure by restoring I land would not fall but by Committee, and they mi l ; sortable than they suppose ` ceded the veto on a form i things ; —and what wool; ment, wouli be spurned It was not impossible 1 yet be given up. The since the Reformation, other subjects, and it of Parliament no .v to rest then noticed some a: tides the date of February the Sydney College, Cambrk the diabolical nature of t that it must net be cusp, Romanists about the Coll ty the Popish.struggk for occupied so much of the become an absolute nuisa end to. He v.ished to ki tary of State for the Hon V such articles in that publi i the way to conciliate ai will? One might almo things, that one lived in racy. The writer of the written the inscription on pointi Like a tall bully, lifts ii Convinced he was, that that the Cow t favour sh, the passing of the meat as that of the Tolerat he was sure that the Chu: To use the expression of the debate, those with mil with mitres in their head rent course from that wl even those who had mitre them improved by transit now, as it was expected t be done. The Church 1: means of opposition. I- deacon sending to his al nature, or to receive his lued this world's goods dignitary was supposed, tam very different sentin Catholics was now to be ‘,, 1 4 00 k he back to the promises ten ? Who was it that ipectation ? Who tempted IVVho was it disappoints Be trusted that the HI should not be deceived t would nobly follow up 1 agreed by such a majorit; supposed, no Royal Cor Way of the claimants ; as 4 a Royal Conscience . A- and if that fact were winced that the worthy not be burthened, as he l Petitions. Such Pctitiont $y the Committee's enteri work, all the labours of i•at length be consummau $ Might be admitted to all ;aye the Throne, which n • , Prince, as the supreme he Establishment, and fur .enour of our laws. The lerive additional security .eeurity and safety of U would be allowed a time he pursuits she had late ter d votion to her real an 'I vould become satisfied an .4 ;a, Aire would be renderet PORTSMOUTH. MARCH 1. Arrived the Mycelium, of 'ft gum, Captain SlJame, froiS St. Helens; Reliance, Scats, from Waterford; sod two cane ward-bound East Indlamen from the Downs. A ase of woe brig, with a convoy from the Eastward, are now worlds. Imo the Roads.—Sailed his Majesty's ship PQM, for Cork; and ii Cartel with Infirm prisoners for Mot-Wu—Wind W.S.W. DEAL. MARCH I. Came down from the River the Wilding, Wools, for Guada. loupe; Brunswick, HANT, for Nevis; and the Marquis of Wel- Roston, rowoz N, for Rio Janeiro. The convoy still ramoins. The wind early this morning shifted to the W. S.W. conesgmentl) several of the outward-bound that sailed yesterday, have put back.—Wind S. W. This morning 360 of the Sd regiment of Foot Guards marched from Portman-street Barracks, un. der the command of Colonel COTTOS, to embark at Portsmouth for Cadiz, to reinforce the British Army under the command of the Marquis of WELLINGTON. Bow. sTazaT.—Yesterday morning Taunton went to appra bend a Footman, in the employ of Muss Broderip, in Gresvebot. place, on a charge of seditious practices. Tbe Footman of a No• bleman was also charged with being concerned with hint in the seditious transaction. They were both committed for furtikt Bax&D.—No alteration in the price this week : the tartern loaf, eighteen•pence-halfpenny. LONDON : Printed by Lam. KIN 7, Packet !'lace: and published there, tad at the Star•Odn Temple-bar. 1 i ( 4 , Pi , w