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e t sevareignty, and to Westland in subverting the laws and the religion of the people of England. But, Sir, we am anted, *pt's el fliffiSfillN, " what have you to pro poste If you dislike this measure propose some other." t is all war well to taunt us in this way, fur though it I be idle mockery, it bearsihe semblance of candour.— The feet is Sir, that this measure has been resolved upon by power. Those who so despotically wield the powers of the State have resolved to force this pat titular' measure upon the country, and, aetbe philosopher said to Adrian, " Most we not yield to the man who con.mands twenty legions?" Let what will, there fore, be our objections to this measure, or our pur poses as to any other, they must give way to Cesar and his regimented strength. But, if lam still pressed for a proper measure, I would say, that, as the Eng. lisp Constitution is the growth of popular feeling and tonviction, an appeal should be made to the people los their sentiments upon this threatened violation of It. Let the question go before the tribunal of public opinion—let the measure be sent to the hustings of bury town and county of England—let the genu:ne voice ot the people be heard—let their real sentiments be made known upon a fresh return of Representatives. end this House would soon discover that the measure is odious to the nation; and this great truth, strongly stiested. would have a surprising effect in making the leabinet ex•cogitate something better. But, Sir, we live in days of political experiment, and we daily witness established principles and acknowledged facts giving way to some gratis dictum about public expediency; 1 and a restless spirit of innovation, a spirit of gambling in codes and constitutions, seems to obtain. and is one 1. of the strongly-mar ked signs of portentous events hairs iis ing fast on to tire fulness of iheir completion. 144 myself, Sir, I consider the whole of these measures to be an outrage upon common sense—an insult upon the understanding of the people. I consider this doctrine -of an alleged expediency to be a vile compromise of principle, and a base surrender it Protestant rights and Protestant intern's to their unchanged and un changeable foe; and it is reserved for future pages of hi.t'iry to record these damning proofs of what weak or worthless Statesmen may be made to do by daring agitators and a Popish priesthood. But, Sir, I will not trespass longer upon your attention. My vote this night shall again mark the fixedness of my opinion as to the profligacy of these unmeasured concessionsond having done so, I must await the issue of these pusillani mous surrenders. But this I will say, that I think the in evitable tendency of past events must lead to convince every sober thinking man, every man who feels the now mote than ever urgent necessity of watching over the invitations of the Protestant Church, that the hour is come in which it is not only expedient. but highly neces sary, that we should, without delay, honestly and ef tectually enter upon the consideration of the question of Parliamentary Rif rim. I say this not in haste or petulance—l say this not in spite or anger—l say it not so much with reference to the fact, as Isom apprehen sions I cannot but feel for the future. It is the expres sion of an opinion frequently entertained, but up to the present time not sufficiently matured for public avowal. It is a pledge of a disposition of mind which, in all sincerity, I tender to Honourable Members advocates for that measure, as a peace-offering fur the uncompro mising resistance which I oppo.e to this. The amendments to the rill were then read, when Sit R.VYVYAN rose to move air amendment to those amsndments, and stated that, in looking over the crafts he had perceived a very material omission. Ile knew not whether anch omissions were accineetal or inters iional. When the House recollected what the princip:es 4f Rome had been for centuries (although certainly not so intolerant of late), and that so recently as the year 1816 a system of bloodshed and persecution had beer' carried on in the south of . Fiance, it ssculd surely be th night necessary to have every possible protection against such intolerance. He wished to know, awe tore, why the oath adopted in the Bill i f 1791 , was omitted from this 8.11 ? At the end ot that Bill, .f er the vs. run " without mental reservation." occurred the words .4 or without believing that I can be acqui ted by Goo of any act by any dispensation of the Pupe."— Now. if the Pope had the power of granting dispensa tions for any crime (u in the opinions of the Catholics • he undoubtedly had), surely the feelings of the Proms tarts ought to be so far respected as to guard them • against its consequences. It was thought necessary to • introduce such a protection into the Bill of 1791, and • surely ought to be introduced into this. There could be at least no ha , m in its introduction ; it could not ihtertese even wih the prejudices of the Papists, because I I they must be aware that we know of their desire to ' , estatslish•the power of their Church . Her would there flue move, that atter the wrids I I abjure any allegiance I to any other pet stet than the King ot these realms," &c. the following words be added, " and I also rej ct arid abjure, as unchristian and unlawful, to murder or destroy I any person ulster the pretence that he is heretic; and I also iejectatid abjure the opinion that nu faith is t r be - kept writs hers tic.,"—Tbe motion having been put, ; • Me. Secretary PEEL said it &estates! to him per tectly s unnece-sary to introduce any such oath into tire Bill-- To call upon parties who were to be admitted to equal D rights in,the constitution to declare that they did noti e believe themselves jii.t.fied in committing murder would be a strange proceeding indeed. Such a course would reetelialis weaken the effects c,titempiateJ by the [Leas sine. li he (Mr. Peel) could not believe that a oi..n 4 wipuld be.govetrsed•by one oath be could not believe that-another would have any influence upon him. : e i 0. M En r s .W ia . o llo .4 l l 2 l e N ia s o a d id h t a h v a in s g af m ter ad t e he su e s a o t i tli: a ß d : 0 : s a a t i i h on a s Up t i i i i a n t this sug suggested d t it b s y tl t r i s l y e at . tie ' ke di-clataiiiii. had been approved of by the Pope, such an get's"! unnec wiry. 1 1 ) 1 "l oo. n1 13 ad a e ro "in ne d t w al a te s 4hre a tc l : t liP o 4:l - t Mr. TRANI said the proposition of the Honourable he Baronet was a very important one. Now he would , reP 'him the attention cf the Right Hon. Secretary-a few oit sears back, and beg him to glance over some of the IC'. traosapions.that had taken putee in this. country, and ins in. other countries; and he would ask the Right Hon. eientleman (Mr. W: Horton) if he had been at Rome Sill hitch', and if so, why he bed not called upon his friend the. Poswer.(4 laugb)—,to summon a general couseil to ins Is? 'Jo- away . with the. declaration of the Council of Con starce, that no faith was to he kept with heretics? He eal Dl4 (Mr, Tr), thought the proposition of his Hon. Friend rye snprt reasonable; its adoption would show that we weee his not. ashamed of our old-fashioned opinions—(Hen. Dui kar.) The whole question turned upon the extent of for PAR'S Power. It that power were a nunentity be *4414 deo Lc 141a)dal to keep nut of place or Parliament a Jew mit incheitleels; bat if that power were not only incseesiesw del in,lreland, but in England also, it was the dttly of: Par. oat liasnent to cheek, it in every possible way. That the otsi. Pepe' power was increasing in England was evideer, ible ham the fact that in.one county (Laucashite) there were At eighty-six Roman Catholic places of worship. The Who sligttest seetuity, therefote, against its further increase , hat was of the urn net importance. He. knew it was the cnvu fashion, now-a-days, to tall such opinions as. those he WOO tillettidued s • jthherad o bit our aacessors knew that such oaths as those now proposed by the Hon. Baronet were necessary for the preservation of our rights and libei tiei. It way nor duty to maintain that Popery was unchanyied and unchangeable. When the decrees of the Popish Church were repealed by a general C.uncil, then, and not till then, would lie alter his opinion of that Church and its objects. Mr. C. W. W. WYNN was anxious to ascertain It the Hon. Member knew what a general council was, and would inform him that, to centime a general council, the attendance of all the Roman Catholic Bishops of Europe was necessary. It was not likely that a genets, council would be ever again summoned. General PEACHY quoted several passages from a 801 l issued by one of the Popes. in support of the position that the Catholics kept no faith with heretics. Allowing this authority of the Pope to be good, and no Catholic wouldfroy it to be so, he would say, Vox et priztetw nibil." He entreated the House to consider that that which could be omit. ted could be with facility introduced; and, if it afforded any pro• teetion, it ought to be so. Mr. G. MOORE stated a use in support of the argument of the Hon. Baronet (Sir R. Vyvyan). A Magistrate of the county of Cork was in the habit, whenever be suspected that persons about to make affidavit before him did not mean to keep the oath they in tended ro take, of asking such persons whether they expected alien. lotion if they broke such oath? When this question was put, such persons often refused to take the oath. Dr. LUSH IN GTON condemned the conduct of sny Magistrate who so acted. It was a melancholy example of the way in which justice was administered to the Roman Catholics. OIL E.STCOURT defended the conduct of the Magistrate alluded to. He would support the motion of bis Honourable Friend.—The motion was put, and negatived without a division. Colonel SI BTHORPE rose to give notice of an amendment upon the eighth clause of the Bill. That after the words , . *Ake eg school" be inserted, that" nothing in this Act shall be construed Wettable any person or persons professlog the Roman Catholic re ligion to bold any power or controul in any matter relating to the management or appropriation of any sum or sums bequeathed, or that may be bequeathed, as grants for the endowment of colleges, schools, or almshouses, upon a Protestant foundation." The Hon. Member said that he recollected on a former occasion, when the Bight Hon. Gentleman ( Mr. Peel) entert lined different views from what be did at present. be had declared his apprehension of the grasping disposition of the Roman Catholic Church, and his desire to curb it. He (Colonel Sibthorpe) still considered it desirable to check its avidity for power, and, therefore, would propose this amendment, as an additional security, although be did out think any. securities would he of much value. Mr. TRA NT spoke in favour of the amendment. Mr. Secretary PEEL did not think the amendment was intro dosed in the right place. There was no specific mention of Ro man Catholics in the clause to which the Honourable Gentleman wished to insert an express disqualification—(T%e Right Honour able Gentleman here read the amendment).—He understood the stuuourable Gentleman's intention to be to bring it forward on a a future occasion. The amendment appeared to him more excels. sive than the Honourable Gentleman seemed to apprehend. Lord MILTON referred to a bequest of the Earl of Shrews. bury as a case against the amendment. Mr. WILMOT HORTON hoped the Honourable Gentleman would not endeavour to prevent Mr. Pere, a Catholic Gen tleman, from assisting in the repairs of the York Minster, as he had cons. forward to do. Sir CHARLES WETHERELL said, that the pro position warperfectly clear, that all the schools in Eng. land founded after the Reformation must be dedicated to a system of education connected with the Protestant faith. Some of the established schools had been iounded in the reign of Henry VIII. He believed that three of four had been instituted prior to the Reforma tion. The greater part of those founded since that period were not of ecclesiastical but of lay foundation; and the Report of the Committee appointed to inquire into these establishments would, it looked into, show that such was the case—that they were of lay founda tion, and dedicated to the Protestant faith. Now, the object of his Hiinourable Friend's proposition was, that RomanCetholic Corporations should not have the power of controulling, appointing, aid regulating schools un avoidably dedicated to the Protestant faith. As the Bill at present stood, supposing a Roman Catholic wet e mayor of it corporation, did he or did he not acquire an ascendancy over institutions exclusively Protestant? He would again ask, whether the Bill of jacobin equality and of undistingiiishing amalgamation. would not. under these 'circumstances, confer that ascendancy ? He conscientiously believed that not one clause of this jacobin Bill was understood by those who proposed it pie iron urable and Learned Member was speaking with great animation, and his right hand came by acci dent in collision with the hat of .%1 r.Bankes, who occupied an adjacent teat. The circumstance was followed by a general laugh.) The Hon. and Learned Gent. rerun ed He had not levelled a blow at his Hon. Friend—he levelled no blow at any one; but he would continue VI aim his blots sat the Bill. The Bill and the framers ni it had abstracted the thing from the person, the re from tbe persona—and he did not believe they (the harness of it) understood a single word of it. His Honourable Wend proposed to interdict a Catholic from inter lining with establishmi nts.connected with the Protestant faith, it he were a member of a Corporation having contioul river such Establishments, and there wiis scsocely a Corp. ration in England that bad not a school or alm s h ouses, or otner place,- devoted to education upon Protestant principles. As the Bill now stood—as this liberal jacobin Bill stood in its jacubin li'lerality, it not only gave Roman Catholics the power of becoming members of corporations, but of repealing in these cor porations the former principles of acti 3n—of appointing Roman Catholic schoolmasters to Piotestant schools, and of causing t! ese foundations, intended to be ex clusively devoted to the established faith, to be handed over to the purposes i f the Roman Catholic church. He agreed with his Hon. Friend, and be cared not wheii.er the proposition were adopted or nor—(A laugh). Ilonouraole Members might :augh; but there was un doubtedly no use in dividing the House, or of criticising a Bill hurried through as this had been, or of scruti nizing its clauses, when no opportunity was given tor a feu and full eaaminati , in of them. That Bill had been hurried through the House in such a way as that the framers of it understood not its clauses, nor those to whom it was addressed the nature of their operation.— He felt that there was no use in arguing against these chat es; but thoush he did not appiehend that there would be any utility in raising objections to the clauses, still he would assert that as the Bill stood it constituted an egregious and monstrous violation of sense end right that, of the hundreds of schools founded since the Re formation, it should be in the power of any man, being a Catholic corporator, to take. them away from the Pro testant Church, and to convert them to purposes di rectly at variance with those which formed the or iginal object of their institution. Dr. LUSHINGTON, to quiet the apprehensions of his Ho nourable and Learned Friend (Sir C. Wetherell) begged to inform him that the schools to which he bad referred were grammar schools, and that it was necessary for the muter of any one of these schools to have a license from the Bishop of the Diocese be. fore eateries on his nice. Without that license he was subject to an interdict. Colonel SIBTHORPE said, that the application of masters foe licenses had nothing io do with the management of the funds. The SOLICITOR—GENERAL said, that what bad been laid down by his Honourable and Learned Friend (Dr. Lusblegtoo), as to the granting of Hamm by the Bishops, bad never been a yenta of dobt. Colonel SIOTHORPE felt that there was no use in dividing against the phalanx opposed to him. Sir E. KNATCH BULL thought that steps should be taken to render the law as effective as possible. Mr. G. MOORE had formerly called the attention of the Hoses s o a Kim' (the Blue-cost Hospital) over which the Corporation of Dublin possessed contssossi. An inquiry had been, as be under stood, promised respecting it. He conceived that if the dream stances ofthese, schools were as. bad been set lords, semodslou mew meat should be adopted; and U . they were not, this tbsee was.ao use for the clauses mr. DOHS/air add, this wigs mesa to the Inae.Cese Htwpitsl, the New Mon. •lifefeetaty.far the UMW- •Departwirst bad put its charter and all the documents connected with* into his bands; and in addition to his own api %ion. he had the autism ity o the most eminent men In tie country for stating that there was n•x the least foundation for the alarm that had prevallad ; and if such was the ease in Ireland the cause haropprelaitgoo an England must. be still less. Mr. G. MOORE bad merely suggested inquiry into the matter. Colonel SIBTHORPE witbdretwhis amendment until the third. feedlot of the Bill. THE MUM% Sir VYVYAN. said that when he had the honour of preienting petitions from the county of which he, was a representative, he had declared his belief that there existed a great conspiracy throughout Eisiope, in, one part of a religious, and in another of a political character, and that its instruments were religious. societies and standing armies. He then expressed him self of that opinion, and be now saw no reason for renouncing it. With the permission of the House, he would enter more at length upon that subject. fte, would begin by calling attention to the existence in France of the body known by the name of the "Con gregation;" or, in other words, the Je,uits. He did tint intend giving any thing like a history of the order; he would merely content h .msel I by referring to it in general, term.. Although its founder, Ignatius Loyola, appearedi alter Luther, at a time when the Reformation had spread in Germany, and when the Papal power was ap. patently drawing to a close, lie could not far years ob tain a Bull to sanction its institution, and it was at last obtained only by a declaration of unprecedei.ted and implicit devotion to the Papal See. Boole Loyola's death t elve societies of Jesuits were e,t tblist.ed. and he had the sati-faction of seeing Members of the 0 ater become the Confessors ut Kings; and he (Sir It.Vs eyrie) believed that had it rot been tor their dissolution by Pope [Graganelli, and the occurrence of the French revolution,' [ they would have succeeded in securing the Papacy [ itself. As it apreatud to be the opinion of his Ma jelly's Ministers that the order in this country should be gradually suppressed and abolished, he hopes., that he should not be considered as advancing much beyond them in proposing a measure more severe.l It might be supposed that after their d ssolution by Ganganelli, who said he was advised to the measure by every Christi an S sveteign, and after they had become merchants and traders, and were dispersed throughout Europe, it might be imagined that nothing more would be heard of them; but there were two Sovereigns who gave admission to the order, and one in particular, the Emperor of Russia, a country at all times solicitous to interfere in the affairs of the west. I=t Russia they found a refuge, as they also did in Prussia, Frederick the Great conceiving that these was no danger to be ap prehended from them. Thus they at length received An asylum among heretics. The order of the Knights of Malta—an order not yet dissolved—had once been extremely powerful. Its Grand Master was at a cer tain period one of the greatest Sovereigns of Europe. The island was now in our hands, but the Jesuits might be regarded with the same apprehension as the or Jer ul Malta. It was not until the late Emperor of Russia found that the Jesuits were tampering with his subjects that he ordered them to quit his kingdom. The charge against them was thus expressed " They have t trued aside from our worship piing people who had been in trusted to them, and some women of weak and incon siderate minds, and have drawn them to tt eir Church." His Majesty's ideas of this conduct are thus expressed: "To induce a man to stljure his faith, the faith * of his ancestors—to extinguish in him the love of those whir profess the same worship—to render him a stranger to his country—to sow discord and animos ty in families —to detach the brother from the brother, the sou from the father, and the daughter limn the mother— to excite divisions am -ng the chil 'ten of the same church—;s that the will of Goo, and of his Divine Suss JESUS CHRIST our SAVIOUR' the result ot his delibe rations are contained in tl of allowing Toot the Catholic church in Russia be again eoablis' ed as it was in the reign of the Empress Cath siiase the Second, a:id till the sear 1800; that all Nlot,ks f the order of Jesuits be immediately banished from Petersburgh ; that they be forbid to enter the two capitals" In 1801 the Emperor Paul had called for the re-estab lishment of the tir2er. His request was. complied with and it was afterwards allowed to exit in his domi nions; and in 1814 it was again peimitt..d to remain there uncle, certain restrictions. Documents from the Papal Court respecting its re-establishment in Itsl4 (referring us to Russia to the brief, dated 7th Match, 1814) procieJ thus—" We granted to the said Francis Karen. and his colleagues residing in Russia, of who should repair thither from other countries, power to form themselves into a body or congregation of the company of Jesus; they are at libeitr to unite in or.e I or more houses to be pointed out by their siiperior.l provided those houses were situated within the Russian empire. We named the said Francis Kara, general of the said congregation—we authorised them t i resume and follow the rule of St. Ignatius of Loyola, a; proved and. confirmed by the Constitutions of Paul the Thitd, our predecessor of happy memory, in order that the companions in a religious union might freely engage in the instruction of youth in relign n and good letters, direct semi,' cries and c Beget, and, unit the consent of the Ordinary, conies., preach the word of GOD, and administer the sacraments. A short time after we had ordained the les oration of the order of Jesuits in Russia, we thought it our duty to grant the same favour to the kingdom of Sicily, on the warm request of our dear son in Jesus Comm King Ferdi nand, who begged that the Company of Jesus might be re-established in his dominions and states as it was in Russia, from a conviction that in these deplorable times, the Jesuits were instructors most capable of forming youth to Christian piety and the fear of Ga-n, which is the beginning of wisdom, and to instruct them in science and letters. The duty of our pastoral charge leading us to se• cnnd the pious wishes of these illustrious Monarchs, and having only in view the glory of GOD and the salvation of souls, we, by our brief beginning • Per Alias,' and dated 80th July.lBl4, extended to the kingdom of the Two Sicilian the same concessions which we had made for the Russian empire. The Catholic world demands with unanimous voice the re-establishment of the Com pany of Juus." Now, it was not generally known iii Europe that in 1801 the Jesuits existed, and as a body recognised by the Pope; for thirty years had not elapsed irons their suppression by the Bull . of Pope Ganganelli until the secret Bull was issued for their re• establishment in Russia. At the Congress of Vienna , when the Allied Sovereigns were assembled in full coun cil, and when the Pope of that time was completely at their disposal, and when an individual, not Royal ar• tainly, but with power equal to Royalty, having such extensive influence over the minds of the S 'vertigo', took a leading part in their deliberations, thi order was revived and encouraged, and, in his opinicm, l with the view of repressing the progress of freedom and liberality. There had been, and would be, a contrast between the great principles of liberalism and despotism. He was sure that the Gentlemen oa the other side of the House would be the last to sup port despotism is matters of State when religion was ,not concerned ; but he begged to contider that the Ca- religion was s sOnPorttx of, despotism), and (hag t had heen supported oti.that account by all the-Sow. /egos its Europe ever since the Cringe-ass of tinna. He heattily wished he could think e.o .sane of em ig g e t a Hip:loos to the liberty of the •tibject, hut e n a , e . view of pa•l histitiy he c• uld not help thinking that :he Roman Catholic teligion was—(Hear).- w lt was seligion that aimed at universality, and II ere could not be a unireisat reli g ion Without a civil empire. The 1 1 0 1 ;es bad :accie:ed better t h an any conqueror could by force of alms have done in their endeavours to establish a universal The system of the Roman Catholic religion, hy the per severance of its teachers, had so e ttwined it•elf into the hearts < f men, that Sovereigns themselves, who in ft r are times might have been their own High Prieis, had been almost made the slaves of the Pop s. The general liberties of the world were, upon the whole. in a much better situation fifty years aes thsn they now were. He trusted, however, that the Protest.* is would alell e themselves, as they had lately d ne its Fra• ee, in prevent the further encroachments of the Rom sh Priesthood en liberty. Let them do sit, and the Catholics must fall in the struggle, unless assisted by the great power of the ender of the Jesuits. TherelOie it was that the heads at the Ca tholic Chute!), when tranquillity was in some degree restored to Europe, saw thenrcessity of tt.e se-establish - mem of that body, and of the expediency fur the ad vancement of their views of the education of youth being confided to th. m. They felt that one generation. the pie. seat, had escaped theist, but they hoped to secure the rest by making thernsei we, °savers • f vie fountain of know. Icsige. They saw that their object would he attained if they could fill the minds of the youth of the country with their base notions re-pecting despotic autho ity. Louis XIV. insisted, by the four at titles of the G Miran Church. upon excluding ;he Pope from having terrain tempo' al Imhof ivy in Fiance. But Are whet toot( place 1 1 in a few years. lit 1682 Louis XIV. as greet a man as ever swayed the sceptre of France, the author ni the Edict of Nan's, by which he bai,i bed from l.is kit:gdom 40000 of his most u eful Pontestant subjects, sent to Rome to beg forgiveness of the P pe for having ohli zed him to consent to the four snuck: of the Gailis an Church. What was the occasion of this chotge in the conduct of Louis XIV.? Ile had taken a Je,uit for his Confessor. In the time of the Regeocy, and the reign of Louis XV. that followed, t' e Jesuits were equally strong in maintaining the same principles. It was not, however, till the revolution that the Pot.e tin& ceeded in establishing a great acknoaledged authority in temporal Jails in France. When the Concordat Was published, with the Contulet, by there articles he reserved to himself powers wi h to pect to the Bishops and Cltrgy which had been expressly de nied to his predecessor by L ti.is the Fourteenth. On these condi•ions it was that the Clergy wens allowed to say, Dwaine Deus salvos fac t Obsoles ins - ead fit Domine Deus :doom fac Re em. Let them tote' their eyes to the conduct of Russia, and they would find that it had been obliged to be it severe against the Jesuits. In a few years after they had first intro duced themselves into that country, they had obtained great influence in the management of the internal affairs of Russia, and attempted to convert the inhabitants from the Greek to the Latin Chutch.—(Hear, hear.) So med.tliog were they found, that it was deemed ab solu'ely necessary to send them out et ti e country once and for all. ( Flue Honouratle Member hem 'cad an e at' act horns me bet k coirishorat•ve ot his .tatement.) Gentlemen had no d st.bt heard of a book called, The Secret lustkutions of the Jesuits, and which was I.to. Juced by diems Ives at a lancets which was tiled a little betore the 'evolution. N.) better system could be d• vised than was entrained in that book to incte.se the Pistol power throughout the world. Under all these cet come stone: s he thought it expe..lient that the Jesuits should not have access to any part of his Majesty's dommitms. He should propose, therefore, that, instead of the • ords Uni.e Kingdom" at present in the Bill, the cords "his Maje,ty s dominions" should be inserted...— It would be absurd to exclude the Jesuits front England, and allow them to establish themselves its our Colonies, vshe.e we wi uld shortly allow Roman Catholic U vet no's. The Honourable Member concluded by moving soothe, amendment, but, as it was not afterwards read from the Chair, we conclude that it was withdrawn, and the lion. Member cot fined himself to proposing that the words " his Majesty's dominions" should Le sub stituted for " the United Kingdom." Mr. FRANKLAND LEWIS said. it was in his power to sire there were but three persons of the order of Jesuits in !island and be thought there could be no cause for the alarm the lion. Baronet appeared to feet. The Rev. Mr. Kenny, the head of a Jesuit seminary of education in Ireland. was examined three el . e a hrtbre the Board of Education, and an man ever gave more eat did evi dence. Ile stated that the whole of their principles and discipline ware published in the hook (.1' rules which he produced. Th- present Bill provided against the inerewse of their numbers, and wide th.t seeurby he thought the House should be content—(llear) Mr. 1.. FOSTER said, he fully concurred in the testimony borne to the candour of XII.. Kenny in his examination before the Board of Education. Bu. his Hon Friend was mistaken in the number of Jesuits in Ireland ; a few years before that elimination the number was thirty, and he had no doubt they had since increased, and would continue to increase if not guarded against. 'llw dis tinction of the Jesuits from all other coders of the • hutch of Rome, was their devoting themselves to missionary labours ; and be thought measures should he taken to prevent their increase in this country. Mr. PEEL said the policy of the clause respecting monastic insti tutions was, to deal justly and kindly towards those in the coun- try, but to prevent others coming into it. It was neat to consid. e whether these who were now here were not under the pemection of the law. There was nothing in Ireland nor in England to pre. vent the residence of Jesuits lit either country ; and the Ac' of 1791, in England, gave earns relief to all members of monastic institutions. But though this gave protection to individuals, it left monastic endowments still illegal. Although policy may require to interdict any addition to the number of the mem bers of monastic institutions of this country, it soukl be a hardship to send those out of the country who bad remained in it wader the faith of an Act of Parliantent—(lleiej. Wish respect to the Colonies, there wo u ld b e gr e at d.fe ee ity I n ex tending tee present Act to them. The Canada , ' and the Mautitius were Catholics. and it might not be expedient that we should in. terfere with them in the manner proposed. now Colonies that bad Legislatures of their own were competent to legislate on the subject ; and in those under the sole authority of the Crown, the Crown might make any order that should he thought necessary ; and he would promise that all the members of monastic 'noon times in the Colonies should be registered, and that the Registry should be laid on the table of the House atinually—(Hear). Sir RICIIIIIIO VTVTB3II withdrew his amendment. Mr. PEEL said, be thought it might be expedient to give a power to the Secretary of State, bring a Protestant, to give a license to enable any member of a monastic order to conic Into this country for a time not exceeding ale months; all such licenses to be renamed to Parliament every year. He bad, therefor, pro posed a clause to that effect. The Right Hon. Gentleman moved the clause. Mr. HUME thought it a great reflection on the House to be so muck alarmed at the Jesuits. He did not think there was any class of men in Europe to whom the world was so much indebted as the order of Jesuits, for what they had done in menden educe don. He thought it was quite unworthy of the House to feel so much fear : he hoped at least they would consent to an addition to the proposed clause, to allow the Secretary of SAW tit' renew at • discretion—(No, no). ' The clause, as moved by Mr. Pan, was agreed to. Sir It. VYVY AN said, whenever the Jenks had power. Pow testants were persecuted and liberty oppressed. lie was most %ta wnier that sad men should have the education of any ponies cf the youth of his Majesty's subjects. He would therefore move an xatendisent to prevent any Jesuit being a schoolmaster. The Hon. Gentleman moved a classes to that effect. • ' • • . . *Mr: PEEL said the ChM, would deprive the. Jesuits already