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4 . to; sad sßlidsk (Mom became he Mt sod acted like a Prose- taitoras dismissed the se;viee of his country. Mr. TILANT thought it would be satisfactory to the Howe to have else documents with the transactions at Makp oe the table, and he should efore move for their produeden on the2stzt sitting. The petition was read, mid, oti the motion for tainting a, Sir Its INGLIS inquired whether any Officer who refused to comply with an order for taking part in a re ligious ceremony was not liable to be dismissed the Service? If this was the case, he contended that there was absolute compulsion in the case. Sir H. HARDINGE bad no hesitation in stating that, if he had issued any orders as Commanding Officer which were not complied with, he would bring the Officer who neglected to obey the order to a Court Martial and have him cashiered. He wished to know whether the same course ought not to be adopted it a Catholic Officer refused to take part in any religious ceremony in this country oe the sth November ? Sir M. W. RIDLEY considered that Officers had nothing to do but to obey their orders. It was not to be • said that Military Officers should refuse to obey their orders upon religious scruples, or else there would be an'end to all military discipline. The Petition was thee ordered to be printed. DISTR&U IN THR SIANWPACTURINO DISTRICTS. Mr. SADLER rose to present a Petition hom the Hundred of Blackburn, in the county of Lancaster, founded on the distressed state of the country, and signed by about 12,000 names. t He conceived that the itiuse must concur with him when he stated, that. whether in reference to the number, and he might add the respectability, of the signatures—the importance of the subject of the petition—the distrait() condition of that large and populous district—or the terms of re spectful confidence with which the petitioners ap proached the House, that no similar document was ever • more entitled to , sot anxious and immediate considers , • tion. He felt highly honoured by the confidence the petitioners had reposed in him ; at the same time be sincerely regretted they had .not committed their cause to abler bands, to those who would have been better" able to advocate their claims, or at least added weight to their representations. He had thought it a proper course to consult with the two Members of that great and populous county on this occasion. One of them, who. he believed, was now present, folly confirmed the deplorable situation of the mass of the petitioner., and commiserated their condition. From the other Noble individual, who was for the present withdrawn from his public duties by a family bereavement, he had had the honour of a communication. fully carrobora hire of the great and prevailing distress in that irnpoi • bent disteict.and expressed in terms which did equal honour to his understanding and his heart, and which he • regretted that he did not feel authorised to read to the House without the Noble Load's permission. Thus -circumstanced, he hoped the House would yield him their attention while he presented this petition; at all events he was sure they would listen to the petition ers. They represented their condition as that of great and, they seemed to fear, without a different policy was • pursued, pe; manent distress. This state of things did .not test upon the authority of individual information, . .or private correspondence, too often appealed to in that House; it was verified by many of the Magistrates, Clergy, and Gentry of that district, who had given their signatures to that important document. The petitioners eat nestly besought 'heir Representatives to coosider the present alarming condition of the country. And it ap peared to him (Mr. Sadie') not only the imperative duty, but that it ought to be the anxious wish, of Par liament to do so, and that without delay. It would be a waste of tine, he said, and an insult to the intelli. gence of the House, as well as an outrage upon the feelings of the petitioners, to attempt to deny, *bat any" individual in the country conversant with the present st de of things must know to be tit case. that the cows try wai !Arming under great and general distress.— E‘ers branch • f national industry seethed paralyzed, pot merely the console , cial, hut, as the petitioners as serted, all other interests were affected. Agriculture wa. evidently languishing. Thousand of persona had already lost :heir capital, and were daily sinking into poverty. Tens of thousands, he might say hundreds of thousands, of labourers, were completely pauperised, and sunk into the lowest depths of misery and degra dation. As to the operative manufacturers. the peti tioners themselves, he hoped, would be permitted to desctibri their own condition in one of the most exten sive and important" branches of national industry.... 4 " The interest of all parties in the cotton trade they a lerted to be in so languishing a state tbat ruin appeared inevitable to many of them. Every article connected with that trade, the raw material, and the labour be stowed upon it, has experienced, they stated, so alarm ing a depression in value, that the entire cost of manu factured goods was in many instances considered less • than the price formerly paid for the labour Sstowed upcm them. This depreciation, they went on to state, bad been carried to such an extent, that the generality of weavers in the calico trade could not possibly earn sufficient for their maintenance. They assetted that theta ate at present in thesbundted of Blackburn thou sleds of families whose united labour does net, ea a weekly average o produce more than one shilling and and titter pence per bead. As to their employers, said the Honourable Member, it is to be feared that in gauzy cons• theis pursues, though conducted with persevers tog industry and competne capital, Were imideqpitet remunerated. Poverty, mine. and roes,. were spend ing with alarming rapidity. The very foundations' of national prosperity seemed *alien.. Wes it' net, he asked. their duty to inquire into this wank, and di*, treeing state of things ? It sippigered to him that stash an investigation might have ben gonenti bad time and opportunity been afforded, with every hope of arriving at safe a conclusions. We pos sessed, said the Hon ble Member, a series of raga live liar, as they rni be termed, of the utmost im. pretence to the dasoiminetios of the question.— The present deplotable star of things, be contended. was not attributable to any failure in the bounties of nature; it was weir chargeable upon the people. The country itself wee unchanged, its natural resources re mained unit:boasted, and indeed inexhaustible. Its, inhabitants wire still industrious, active, intelligent, enterprising beyond all rivalry, with whomsoever coin pared. Its foreign possessions continued entire, and all but unbounded; they spread like a sone round the globe, and poured its upon them the productions of every Climate, and opened an intercourse with every nation upon earth. They bad been long in the enjoyment of a. profound and.uninterrupted -peace. Is a word, they atheentrated and enjoyed every thing which promised a perpetuity et prosperity and happiness. Why, then; was it that, with the exception of the - fundhoWer, the mere monied capitalist, the jobber. the foreign brokers, . and the pensioners, all ranks of the community were apidly decliaing, and especially the industrious classes? %hat was it, be would ask, that doomed this great and doses ving people to the cti.tren they ace now suffering —a state which bad of late returned upon . them at abostening niter velsrind which had, at every repeated vialtatiols, inflicted detpet wounds upon the &nevem a and happiness of the community ? It 'wig his (Mr. s.'s), opinion, and one not taken up without some examina tion, not recently adopted, that this state of things was resolvable into an erroneous and pernicious policy ; and while he agreed with the petitioners that the causes of the national difficulties and ' dist:eases were numerous and complicated, he folly concurred with them alio in believing that their alleviation or imolai lay within the reach of Legislative noniron!. He was aware that lie could not enter on the important subjects to which the Petition alluded. Had his Hon. Friend the Member for Cornwall had an opportunity of moving for a Com mittee of Inquiry, ailse proposed, he should then have gone at length into the subject of the distresses of the country, the causes of those distresses, and their remedy, having, in reference to the Petition he had presented, pre pared himself so to do. His intention baiting been frustrated, and the termination of the Session so much anticipated, the opportunity was gone. On a future oc casion he hoped to resume the important subject, with a view to the relief of the lower and laborious classes of the community. In the mean time he* could not but express his deep regret that Parliament should separate without seriously attending to the present condition of the country. which would alone have been an abund antly sufficient reason for its re-aisembling had it pot l been actually sitting. All that remained for him to do. since,the prayer of the petition for deliberate inquiry' could not be acceded to, was to implore most earnestly that his Majesty's Government Would themselves take the condition of the petitioners ipto their most anxious consideration, and allow no schemes it 'policy to inter fere with that relief which their condition so iierempto• rily required. , Colonel SIBTHORPE, in supporting the prayer of the petition, could not but state his concurrence in the regret whi ch the Hon. Member for Newark bad ii• pressed at the proposed adjoarnment.of the House, at a: period when such great and 'general distress pre vailed throughout the whole of the Country: He thought 'that no adjournment should take place until those dis tresses and their causes had been filly and intimately inquired into, in order that no time might be lost in adopting such measures as might afford relief. In his opinion the Government would be highly culpable if they pressed an adjournment at such a time, since it was absolutely incumbent on them to take into their consi deration the distresses which prevailed throughout the whole empire. He could not help expressing his sorrow that those distresses, when they were mentioned in that House, excited nothing more than a smile in the coun tenance of those who, from their official situations, ought to be most seriously impressed with them. He thought, therefore, that the smile which had just per vaded the Treasury Bench was improper, anti be could not help expressing his disapprobation of it. The petition was then read. Mr. BARING could not help thinking that the House had been unfairly dealt with, by the Hon. Gentlemen who bad presented and supported this Petition. So far as he was capable of judging, there had never been any disposition on the part of Government during the pre -sent Session to drive off any disci lion which might be brought forward respecting the distresses of the people. It was invidious to say that the distresses of the country were not considered. The Hon. Member for Newark had stated his opinion that those distresses were capable of paaliamentary relief. If that were his opinion, why did be not point out in what manner he thought that relief could be afforded? For his own part, it he (Mr. Baring) bad any conception of any measure which he thought would be beneficial to the distressed classes of the community, be should have considered it his bounden duty not to have delayed a single day in sub mitting it to the House. But when Hon. Gentlemen, %ilia had had the whole of the Session before them to propose any measure that they thought proper, came down at the eleventh hour, at the moment that the House was about to prorogue, and stated that they knew of remedies fur the distresses which had so long pre. wailed. but which remedies they had hitherto kept to themselves, he thought that Honourable Gentlemen who acted on si.ch a way were not treating , the House or the country as they 'ought to do. If the Hon. Member who had presented this Petition knew of any remedy which would afford relief to the petitioners, be thought that he ought to have stated it; but, since be bad not done so—since be had brought forward no measure to afford relief, although he possessed the knowledge which would have enabled him to do so, the fault was his, and not that of his Majesty's Ministers. Mr. HUME was sorry to differ from the Honourable Gentleman who bad just sat down ; but he must state that he entirely agreed with the Hon. Member who had presented the petition. He thought the petitioners and the country at large had a right to complain of Mi nisters and of this House for refusing to take into con sideration the different meatuses which had been sub mitted to them, and which had been brought forward by different individuals, with the view of affording re het to those classes of the community whose distresses were so well known.. He had himself presented many petitions and submitted several propositions to theHou.e for the purpose of calling its attention to this subject ; but all his eadeavours to °boi4 relief for the distressed had proved unavailing. He deprecated the intention of Ministers to adjourn the House at such a period as the pretent,when nothing but distress and ruin appeared in every part of the country. It was the duty of Mi nistess to take the distressed state of the country into consideration, and to take some course which would at. ford relief before an adjournment of the House took place. He contended that it was incumbent upon Mi nisters to bring forward some measure for the relief of the country, and that it was not. as the Hon. Member" for Callington had slated, the duty of any individual Member to do so. It was sufficient for individual Members to point but the distress, but it was the duty of Government to find a remedy. . Mr. BARING explained—All that he bad said was, that when Hon. Gentlemen stated that they knew of re medies, they ought also to state what those remedies Wl*. Mr. SADLER said, he should only make a remark or two upon what had fallen from the Hon. Member for Callington (Mr. Raring), who had either nsisundw stood or mi•represenied him. He could assure that, Hoonurable Gentleman that be (Mr. Sadler) had charged the House with no insensibility to the suffer., ing. of the people. He had merely asseited, and in the temperate, language of the petitioners, that it was the imperative *duty of Pailiatnent to investigate the causes of that distress which pressed so heavily upon the community, with a view to their removal. As to the observations of the Hon. Member respecting the postponement from tine to time of the motion of his Honourable Fiiend, and his disappoints's*: on the occasion, he could assure him that be was again in error. His Hon. Friend never bad postponed his minion. and 'it had not come on at the time because theta was. on 'that occasion, no House. Afterwards the HAL Member 'know bow impossible it was to have renewed his inlets. don. In referring again to the petition before the House, be would ask whether it was not oecessery, according to tin arpaiesu of the Hon. Member mamba, to caw into an inquiry on the important subject of the petition? They beard,' - it was tsue. of our immease . trade, but it was connected with starving.manufacturers ; -of an in cies-Sing demand for lebour, but of its lessening and totally inadequate remuneration; of vast capital , . but raised by the exertions of degrading and increasing' po verty. He conceivedahat this state.of things formed a political enigma of fearful import. which it was essential to the interests of every class of the community should be speedily solved. Mr. WESTERN concurred in the sentiments of the Hon. Members who had supported this petition. He thought it was incombent upop the House to make some inquiry into the distresses of the country belure the ter mination of the Session. Mr. ROBINSON said, that all the Hon. Members who hid submitted measures to the consideration of Government, with a view of obtaining some relief for the general distress which bad for some time past pie wailed, had invariably met with' so Mich discourage. ment that they had been prevented froth persevering as they would otherwise have done. • He was decidedly of opinion that some immediate measure should be taken to afford relief; since it was evident that the distress of the country was increasing rather than diminishing. Sir R. VYVYAN did not know why he or any other ^ individual Member of that House was more responsible for not having brought forward some remedy for the 'present-distressed itate•of the country than the lion. 'Member for Callinfeton was. He (Sir R. Vyvyan) had weld time since giveit notice that he should bring for ward a Motion upon this subject. and a day had actually been appointed when that motion was to have been sub 'mined to the attention of the House; but; from un avoidable eircorostauces, it was postponed. When he gave node* that be should' bring forward the question of the distressed state of the country, he did not eye notice of it as of a currency question. although he cer it'aii.^ly - believed that the present state of the currency had, in a great measure. if not entirely. given rise to the Mumma which prevailed. He believed that the with drawat of the IL bank note system had at least given rise to Much of it. We were told that from the yeas 1797 to the present time we had been going oil upon a system of false credit. and that now, by the abolitionist the U. notes we had returned to a sound and wholesome system, which could not be otherwise than beneficial to the gene ral interests of the country. It was said that the State currency was now fully as large as it was in the year 1797. But surely when the population and the trade and commerce of the counts, had increased, it was not to be supposed that the same cement, would be stiffi ciait. Credit—had it not been for that, the laurels of Sa lamanca, Victoria, and Waterloo, so nobly gathered. so honourably won, would never have been the awed of the heroes who planned and carried into effect the achieve mint of those glorious days—had it not been for - this - system of credit, he was convinced that even at this moment we should have been in a different and a worse situation than any other nation is the woad. The Session was now near t • its close, but if it were prolonged for another month he would give no. tine for a similar motion to that which he mate before. He should then prove that there were causes existing by which the present distress was occasioned, and al though be would not pledge himself to point out any remedy which would afford immediate mkt - , he did think that the disclosures which it would be in his power to make would ultimately lead to the discoitry of one. In 182 k there ,was nothing said against the country bankers. but a cry was raised against them about the end of 1826,because there were a few black sheep found anions them. and because there was an impression made upon them by a run such as the most stable credit could hardly be expected to withstand.He could not but consider it a singular circumstance that Parliament should not, before its separation, institute an inquiry into what might act as a cure for the general distress. It was an extraordinary thing that the Council of the first nation of the world should acknowledge the existence of that distress, and yet content themselves with merely shaking their heads in place of investigating its origin. If a man sat down to an arithmetical problem, what ever might be the difficulty, he would endeavour to ar rive at its solution. But the Chancellor of the Exchequer and the Right Honourable Secretary for the Home De partment, while they admitted the evil, toot no steps to ascertain its cause. He (Sir K. Vyvyan) trusted that be should not be held responsible for not bringing for. ward the subject before the House. When be had men tioned his intention to Hon. Members, they told him that in consequence of Epsom races it was quite impos sible to procure a suitable attendance for the discussion of that question. He hoped when they again met that the distress of the country would be le,. than unhappily it was at present. He prayed that it might be less de plorably prevalent; but he must at the same time ex• press his belief that it would not then be less than it was at this moment, and it was impossible to say what the result would be should there arise a bad harvest, with a consequent importation of foreign grain, while there was no longer a paper currency in circulation below five pounds. Mr. Secretary PEEL said it was a most inconvenient time for discussing the subject of the petition. He felt bound to say that he did not think the Hon. Baronet (Sir R. Vyvyan) was responsible tor not bringing the motion of inquiry before the House. For his own pail he must express ails regret that an opportunity had not been afforded the Hon. Baronet for bringing it forward, which was be believed altogether accidental, for he(Mr. Peel) had been qdite prepared to meet it. With sent ience to what had fallen from the Hooting able Baronet he must declare that he had never alleged Epsom rims as a reason for ant attendi n g t o th e businejs of the House. He was fully prepared tot discussing the question, which it was odd enough was discussed on the very day of the races, upon the presentation of a petition, and at considerable, length, for it oc cupied the House until one o'clock in the morn ing. The Honourable Member for Lincoln had cow. plained of him . (Mr. Peel) for laughing while be talked of the distresses of the country. He begged to shy that he would be the taut° laugh at them ; but the fact was, that be had mistaken the Honourable Gentleman's object, rpeoc and oi fr was conceived fm porthastiblheo for r s making a hu timorou s him to avoid a smile when the Honourable Gentleman was treating the sub ject as he conceived he was. He-was far from :dosing to admit that distress did at present prevail; and tie was confident that the district from which the petition hid emanated bad soffeted in a particular degree, and he if f f a i n m y p p ro la v ce ed fell macTer be y v t a ha el n y th fr a o t in hu th nd e ret q tr u cr e du st rio e n d. He was afraid, however, ,that thet must admit that severe distress might exist in .an artificial. and coropli• cued state. of society which it was impossible for them to remedy —and he War afraid that the Ho. nourable Baronet would find that the solution of a mathematical problem,, in its nature capable of solu tion, was not a correct .comparison with the endea- Sour to discover a remedy for manufacturing depres s dread gm isa 7 1 1 h i s t re ffi their aright, o v i n b u e r insteadgffhotio Hon. Member e o a t b l eor Ab er deen b c g a shouldude.6oi entertained the opinion that the Corn Laws shoot! have been mane the subject of irquiry ; awl another H on. Member had a similar Pea concerning emigration; b et he would put it to the House whether or rot both Emi. •gration and the Corn Laws had not been fairly invests. gated ? The Hon. Member for Aberdeen had made a speech of three hours' long fir the abolition of the pre sent system of Coin Law. and the imposition eta filed duty. and the House had decided against his moti on . Tinit Honourable Member had expressed himself op. posed to emigratioit in the same way as the House had declared itself opposed to his pioposition respectin g the tradeln corn. Now, lie would beg to inquire if it would be for the good of the comas, if they wer e never to permit a single question to rest, and if o would operate to the genetal advantage if they w ere nest Sessiott to agitate the question of 'the Corn Liws again ? It was his impression, chat to determihe en. toely again,t.telteration was wrooa, but it was equally wrong and most unwise never to give a measure a fair trial. He would specify, for instance, the wool trade ; and he believed that of a partial suffering were alway s to be followed by inquiry, there would he no colifiJeote in their decisions on subjects of that n stale; but abov e all, no one could esteem himself sate in investing c an ,_ tax in a trade liable to changes•thinugh perpetual legs„ lation. When the Ministers of the Crown were e uw ,iii ng to admit the eiistence of di•tress, inseus,b h tity ways imputed to thefts; but noterithotandivig the chance of incurring that imputation, he must sty that he could not• take the gloomy view of some Holottiable.‘letribets, nor ascribe the d pressor that existed is any thin g b ut temporary cause.. H? woad not admit •tri a t c ap i cal was diminishing in bass country, 01 that comm erce was cat reed 'eni by. investmentcapital, for the investment of *Mar th ere was im return. Such a stare of affairs might; inde e d, exist tot the Session, but he contended th..t capitalwould be withdrawn if a loss west sustaiiird for a •term of years. He Mould refer to a single tact as •an answer to the assertions ef an Hon.Gentfemap on that point. in the yepr 1815 the rental of the county of Lancaster had been 'shwa upon fair principles. for the purpose of as. sensing the county rates. An impression arose among a part of the iuhabitants that the valuation was unfair,and list year a flesh valuation was made of the property and annual rental fur the same purpose as the first. He was informed that, notwithstanding the distress, the rental of land and ot manufacturing establishments in that county, which was in 1815 valued at three millions atinuailbsra4 in 1828 valued at four millions, while the currency measur , s were in operation during the latter period, and when the improvement • f the currency must have been against the aatcuitt of the 'entail. If this were so, he would oppose that tact to the stiement of the Hon. Gentleman that manufacturing enterprise was tarried on at a positive loss. While these were his opinions on the subject he was ready to admit the consequences of the unequal disttibution of is retch. Ile could not,iviths out much regret. view the accumulation of great for- tunes and the distribution of small warms. He repeced that he could not view it without regret, while as to its Causes, although a great deal might he attributed to the improvements in machinery superseding the necessity of manual labour, still they were so complicated that any attempt to improve the condition of affairs by le. gislation would, in his opinion, only aggravate it. Mr. ATTWOOD said he did not mean to declare that it.was a rtprosch to any one Member in particular that inquiry had nor been promoted; he submitted that it was a reproach to the House of Commons itself that such investigation had not beta promoted; lit proved that the House had not fully and adequately dune its duty. Mr. HUSKISSON cOntended that much distress was the remit of the mad speculations of 1844 mid 1825; the reaction was seta in 1826, but all the dreadful effects bad not then passed away. He agreed with the remarks that had (alley from the Home Secretary; investigation, agitation, and uncertainty. must be the result of cro stant inquiries. They would be injudicious, except promoted ea the most deliberate grounds. As to the shipping engaged in loreige trade, that was not all that increased—our home trade increased; and there were now more ships building than during any fame year. If all the ) e things were so—if there were new ships building, and faetorles building, it must be because they were wanted, because they might be advantageously employed. or there was the strangest infatuation amongst the parties building them. The depression was not confined to this country; it existed in the United-Sates, and in France. He felt persuaded that the difficulties were not susceptible of remedy by Legislative measures ; some of rhost proposed would ooly.aggravate the evils, and throw Society into convulsion. Mr. MAX WELL considered that the Parliament bad not done its duty, in not promoting investigations Imo the difficulties, and attempting remedies. The alterations in the currency, Su. had brought goods to the prices of the Continent, and also our wages down towards the wages of the Continent; and as the same amorist of taxation was continued, that occasioned the &fleshy. The truth was, property was net sufficiently taxed; the poor • were WI much lazed; and except those evils were remedied, the dificultin of the country must go on increasing. Sir Glfs/RGE -PHILLIPS sald there was no evidential a decreaseof capital in the country. He had no fear but that the resources of the country would enable us to overcome all our diffi culties. The evils that now' exist ire such as it is impossibk foe legislation to curt; they mast btt remedied by time. General GASCOYNE said his Right gam Frivol and Canoe (Mr. Huallaga.) no* boasted of having warted the people etas darer of their 'peculation be 1825. He did so when the failures cagme ; but during its height he congratulated the ccitiatry oi it permanent prosperity. There was a well known loss in the shipping trade of upwards of 40 per cent. He. bad known many ittitaoces of sew ibspa that cost COM. being Sold for 4,5001. Freights in the Kist ludiarrade, that used to be four or five pounds a too, had lately been as low as Iss. Though t he w ea l t h of Lancashire had increased, there was nOt A town or village in county in which there Were not numbers supported by charitable conttsbe twos ; and the mentry in general was in such a state et di , that the House Outfit to have Instituted an inquiry. Miehiers 014 petted that the distress would be removed wail Parlament wee again —he was afraid it would'ealy increase, and hoped Parliament would niett main in.,November up inquire into its causes and remedles. • . • .. • - Mr. D. W. 'VEVEY protested against .the .amertion, that no remedy cos ld he applied to the present distreaC.,,lnquiry was • not necessary" to find a remedy. There was sot a man out of die House of.any intelligence who did not look fur a remedy . in a substantial diminution of taxation: and nut le" in a am tan of die -&turd of that taxation. The House bad bet:stud that Ike hffiiiirl • cif thi• Finance Committee must be . 91'7 ductive of the most beneficial results; but it bad bees ask • lowed to die away without producing any practical results...e;. He wished all the Petitioners to that House would press the Howe to a substantial reduction of taxation. We heard muck Against the ' poor rates, but we were paying a still larger amount in tithes, front a part of which the land might be relieved. Extravagant tasstha, engendered an extravagant system, and all that was now said sled the distress being temporary, was merely to prevent the effected remedy of reduction of tazadou. I Mr. SADLER said the quantity of manufactured goods In Low cashire had greatly increased. but the amount of wages distributed amongst the people was greatly decreased; this was a proof ,d prosperity which be would everlastingly dissent from. The atm. facturera wets in the last extremity of distress, and could no lesser be relieved by hope alone. Unless a change of system took plans if the markets of the East were added to those of the West, ald the markets of the moon to those of the earth. the state of the people wool/ be distress. The evil predicted' by Bacon bad be• fallen us—the engrossment of capital. AU our laws gild retsh' Lions traded. to the accumulation of capital in the bands of 'WM. duals, to the injury of the people. Mr. MABERLY said the House bad been almost deaf to arch* dons of the people. There was one remedy in, the porter dfM loose, that Was a reduction - of taxation. The present &sem merit had lot renewed the Finance Committee, and they woe therefore bound :o bring forward measures of reduction of tasty' Lion. He was confident a great benefit might be derived from a regulation of taxation. Malt sad beer paid 7,000,0001. in Wei° . I why should not the whole be paid ma malt, which would rgw 360,0001. the expense of collecting the beer tax, besides alb* the tar more equal Mr. ROBINSON said the Right Hon. Member for Liverpool had greatly mis-stated the number of ships built in the bin h e years. In the last year the number of ships built &Vim" 50 ' sod In the year preceding . 3oo. • . A Message from the Lord, brought up Mira! Bah WO ti . " 'dick Lordships, sod requesting th e H ou s e t o gin . leave to„, • r. i • . ~ V 111 by tit( thi in SON tot we lan( leti of a and