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IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. ..._........_ HOUSE OF LORDS, Nov. 8. Hem met at half-pact three o'clock. unusual attendance of Peers occurred. The Royal Dukes of iberland, Gloucester, and Cambridge, were present. LAW 111701211. LORD CHIEF JUSTICE laid on the table four bills, having .heir object the carrying into effect the recommendations et the ,minis Toners of Inquiry into the Courts of Common Law. The bills were severally read the first time. Ford ELDON rose to say, he had no opposition to make to the above measures; on the contrary, he considered the country obliged to the. Lord Chief Justice for the consideration he had bestowed on them. 1161011/1. Earl GROSVENOR presenting a petition against slavery in the colonies, took the opportunity of declaring himself the advocate of moderate reform in the constitution of Parliament. ♦ great amber of anti-slaver► petitions were presented by the Duke of Gloucester, Lord Eldon, the Bishops of London and Winchester, Lord Cawdor, and Lord Wbarncliffe. The LORD CHANCELLOR gave notice, that he should bring in a bill on Friday to carry into effect certain Improvements in the law. ormolus. The Marquis of LANSDOWNE, in pursuance of notice, TOW to put a question to the noble earl in the foreign department, on the subject of treaties between this country and Belgium. The noble marquis was desirous of knowing whether our connexion with the King of the Ne- therlands compelled this country to interfere in the present transactions of the Belgian population. On a former evening, a noble earl stated that all the information on the subject was to be found in one of the sr. tides of a protocol in the treaty of Vienna. The noble marquis had read the protocol which Lord Clancarty, the British minister, negociated with the minister of the King of the Netherlands, and he assured their lordships that there was not one shade of allusion to interference on the part of England in the affairs of Belgium in in present state. He felt satisfaction in that discovery because he knew that the Belgians, like the French, would find it necessary to establish their new form of go vernment against foreign interference. He rejoiced in another view of the subject s—he believed that every interest enjoyed by England, with respect to Belgium, demanded a deliberate abstinence from intervention, For that reason he had seen with pain, In the speech from the throne, an allusion to intervention. They were not acquainted with the extent to which his Majmy's ministers were disposed to go in amicable inter ference, and he did think Parliament ought to have clear information on. the subject. The noble marquis coocluded by asking the noble es& whether, in the protocol to which he bad alluded, and which was read, by Lord Clancarty to the minister of the Netherlands, there was any obligation on the part of this country to interfere in the affairs of Belgium ? The Earl of ABERDEEN said he should have no objection to lay on the table the protocol alluded to by the noble marquis, and he was ready to admit that the noble marquis would find there was no oblige. tion beyond that found in the treaty of Vienna. At the present mo ment the interest of the country was so closely connected with the tote. rests of that state (the Netherlands), that it would be impossible to look with iodifference at the events which had recently taken place. It had been stated on a former occasion, that the object of interference was merely to procure amity. It would be amicable interference, and no other description of interference would take place. The Marquis of LONDONDERRY considered himself called upon to say a few words on the subject. It had given him pain to hear that which concerned Belgium an d France spoken of in terms of eulogy.— They bad accomplished that which might inundate Europe again with blood, and revive that which had been going on for the last thirty years. If noble lords would come down and state truly what was the present state of the French government, it would be found that France had a King, with a Chamber of Deputies, which had annihilated half their Peers ; that they were deshoue of extending mercy to these who had offended in the late government, but dare not do so; awed by the Na tional Guard, they did not dare do their duty ; if they did, the National Guard would open their ranks and march to the Tuileries. Would any one say the bloody reign of Robespierre might not occur once more ? if the feeling of France was to extend to Belgium, what was to become of this country ? With respect to the feeling he had to deplore, there was but one course to pursue, namely, firm union among th e allies, whose measures crushed Napoleon, and gave peace to the world. The present state of Europe called for one united act, and if there was ooe thing more than another that would increase the public trouble it was that of giving up a general alliance. Arith respect to the feeling in this country he confessed himself a coward. He did feel alarmed, but he thought it their duty to stand by the throne and the executive. They ought to show the factious that all depended upon t h e preservation of order. Let the noble earl ) stand by the throne and the aristocracy, and he (Lord would venture to say all the ideas of which this town was full won crumble to dust. He said this because he thought there was a determination to act up to the spirit which was injurious to the welfare of the country. A noble earl had described the measures of government as being opposed to those who were the organs or leaden of party. The Duke of RICHMOND rose to order. The noble marquis had alluded to a noble earl not in the house. (The Earl of W l was not present.) The noble marquis had also mentioned what the noble earl did not say. That noble earl had never described himself to be the organ of a party. The Marquis of LONDONDERRY said he stood corrected. He did not know the Noble Earl was not in his seat. He believed the Tory feeling of the country was with the Ministers, andthat his Ma. jesty's Speech was admired—(A cry of " No, no." He denied that any noble lord has a right to get up In that House and advocate mode rate Tory principles. It was impossible to avoid feeling excitement at the spirit of the country, and be hoped those who had property would stand by the throne and the aristocracy. The Duke of RICHMOND said the feelings of the noble marquis had carried him too far. A roost unjustifiable attack bad been made on a noble lord; not in his place. lie did not rise to put down the noble marquis as the advocate of government, because it was well known that noble marquis was constantly opposed to the government last session upon the Greek question ' • but he thought it necessary to oppose needless attacks made on absent Peers, from going forth. He would tell the noble marquis that the best way to rally round the throne was to form a government which would have the confidence of the people. (Hear, hear.) It was not writing letters to the Lord Mayor, which had spread alarm through London, and consternation through the country, that could quiet the spirit of: the people. (Hear, hear.) The King, he would repeat it, reigned in the hearts of his pea pie, and he would stake his life that his Majesty might proceed unac companied by police and guards through every part of London, amidst the cheers of his people. (Hear, hear.) As to Wblg and Tory, the noble duke said he knew no distinction. At times like that be would support those who were honest and best calculated to meet the wishes of the people by relieving the country. He could not say that Reform in Parliament ought rot to be made, and thetefore would give the question his best consideration. He believed it was necessity to satisfy the people. He did not care for the sentiments of the mob, but con. salered the concession of that question due to the well-educated loyal part of the community. The Marquis of LONDONDERRY repeated his regret that he had alluded to the noble earl in his absence; and he thought the noble duke should coaeidet that sollielent. The Duke of WELLINGTON said, he was under obligation to the noble duke for giving him an opportunity to explain the circumstance of the letter ; but be be did so, be begged leave to say, DO man could concur more than he did in the sentiment that his present majesty was the most popular sovereign in Europe. No sovereign had been move popular in England. The letter written last night, by his majesty's command, to the lord mayor, was not connected with his majesty's po. Pull-fit?: that, on the contrary, said, there was no doubt of the attach ment of the citizens of London to ids majesty's person. The day before yesterday be received a letter from the lord mayor elect,which he would read to their lordship'. His Grace then read the letter, of which the following is an outline In my situation as lord mayor, I bare received a number of cam. "limitations privately ; and having received some relating to the Atb inst. I take the liberty of addressing your grace. Although the feel. nits of the «them of London are loyal, it cannot but be known that is London and the country there are sets of abandoned, desperate charac ters, always ready to create confusion. From what I learn, it is the intention of some of these desperate characters alluded to to take the opportunity of making an attack on your Grace, on your approach to the Hall. Eve r y possible arrangement shall be made by me to prevent confusion and disorder, but I think should any endeavour be made to disturb the peace, that the civil force of the city will not be enough, and I should not do my duty if I did not recommend your Grace to come ruifleiently aimed." The noble duke when he received the above felt that be was to be Platted under of the Lord Mayor, sod be. did no t think he wasin making confusion in a progenies in which his Majesty was to appear. He did . not consider it right to seek resection itir himself personally under any farce civil or military, end th us create ' confusion. Unde r these circumstances, when he received the kw: from the Iced Mayor elect, be considmed it his der ty to abstain from attending the banquet ; and having communicated to his ellneiglise not only that letter, but several others which be bad received on the same subject, they considered it their duty to recommend to his Majesty that his Majesty should postpone his visit. The result of all the cam monications they had received proved an intention to attack the police, adoguiels tbe lights, and make riot and confusion. They had the Power is repress confusion and tumult—but as that could not be done without loss of Hess, they thought it best to advise the Sovereign that be sboald not go. The 'maple would have boon con t end so whams the sail ends Majesty to the Lord Mayor and Corporation el Leaden, and 4atidt inch an occasion would ham been mole lamenthle. He 4 greed with the noble duke that there was no disposition Om tannalt asthma the bag; and with respect so ohs slue tor th e eawatep, he kw. of wee oys.' the mass in the of of 11Wat t gum, and Luiesshiss. Adverting to the question of intsrferinee die allbles ktigium, his Or et repeated th e osmium math toy the aebb seal, &tingly, that there was no lathaties lb Worth , * far any sib. *jest alga pease sa l hominy. Lord SHREWSBURY d e p reca t e d an y appearance of tiding with E the feelings of the country ; retrenchment ought to be to the utmost extent, if prosperity for the country was sour : l b! obtained. The Marquis of CLANRICARDE said, on the present occasion, he should confine himself entirely to the extraordinary advice which had been given to his Majesty by his Ministers; they had, by advising the King not to dine with the Lord Mayor of London, not only thrown a slur on the City of London, but they had created g rea t a l arm in th e country. He had been inf ormed that in consequence of the leun of the Secretary of State to the Lord Mayor on this subject, that already a fall in the public funds of no less than three per cent. had taken place. (Hear.) This was a common loss of property to the fundholder —for his own part he confessed that he should think himself much mit. taken if the Noble Duke at the head of the administration, and his col. could remain much, if any, longer in office. The Noble Duke t i told the House that his present Majesty was a popular King ; who doubted it T He had also urged, as a cause for his Majesty's not going to the City dinner, the great crowd which would necessarily be gathered together; there was also no doubt but that there would be a crowd; but did Ministers not imagine any hazard from this crowd until last Satur day ? In short no explanation had been given, and it could nowt be de nied that matters now remain lust as they were on Saturday; for his own part he was determined to oppose a ministry that could issue such a document, causing great, though groundless, alarm to spread throughout the country, thereby reducing funds, and bringing about another panic. What, he would ask, will be the impression throughout the Empire when these facts shall have been known ; when it shall ap. pear that troops had been marched, and preparations made, as if to stem rebellion, and all this because the person of the Noble Duke was con. aidered Unsafe. Such proceedings were only calculated to lower the ad. ministration of the Noble Duke in the opinion of the public, and to do harm to the country. (Hear.) Karl GREY begged to say a few words relative to the statements made by the noble uke at the head of the government, and also by the noble earl (Aberdeen), who sat near him. Then, with respect to the existing trestles between this country and Holland, his (Karl Grey's) conviction was, that on the face of them an obligation was contracted by this government to interfere with the internal government of the Netherlands (hear.) In his humble opinion, both sound policy and a respect for the independence of another people enjoined the strictest abstinence from all interference ; the amicable interference spoken of by the noble duke was founded on a mistaken line of policy, and would lead to results of a very dangerous tendency. After warmly eulogising the people of France, not more for their courage than their moderating in their late struggles, the noble earl expressed a hope that the house would not agree with the view taken , by the noble duke as to the.settle. meat of the affairs of Belgium; if similar views were entertained by their Lordships, then adieu to the peace of the country (hear.) With regard to the letter of the Secretary of State to the Lod Mayor, which had caused so much alarm, he could not help telling their L ordships that it was a cause of deep humiliation to the country that such a letter had ever appeared (hear), and that his Majesty's Government should have deemed its appearance necessary (hear.) Don the noble duke and his colleagues imagine that they would aid the negociatiors on foot with other states, by making such an exhibition es the one he alluded to, telling all the world, as it did, that the King was not able to comply with the wishes of the citizens of London ? He repeated, that he felt deep humiliation when he perused that document. His Majesty's ministers may know of more cause of alarm than he Earl Grey) did ; but if they knew of no more than they had condescended to state in the course of that night's debate, he was satisfied that there was not enough to warrant such a step. It was however, a source of pride and pleasure, and he avowed it as such, n amely, that these measures were not resorted to to secure the safety of his Majesty. If ever there was a sovereign who really reigned in the hearts of his people,hls present gracious Majesty undoubtedly did so; to him personally, therefore, no danger could arise; nor, indeed, from the statement of the noble duke himself, was any apprehended. The letter of the Lord Mayor stated, that therefnight be injury dons to the; person of the noble duke; be (Earl Grey) would express his utter abhorrence of persons who enter tained such sentiments. He, for one, should not hesitate to place him. self as a defence to that noble duke against attacks so tut-English in their character, and unmanly in their principle. At the same time be considered the threats hinted at as loose and vague ; if they were to be attended to, not only not to.morrow, but on no day ;could his Majesty thew himself without a similar ,meat being used. The first object of the noble duke, he contende ought to have been to institute an inquiry as to what foundation there existed for the statement con. taloa in the lord mayor's letter. He (Earl Grey) remembered one case perfectly, which took place during the riots of 1780, when the then lard mayor was prosecuted for magnifying danger ; he did not know of what temperament the present lord mayor elect was, whether he was timid, or otherwise; but he took it for granted that the noble duke had made some inquiry relative to the threatened danger, and that he had come to the resolution of staying away, as the most judicious course that could be adopted. The information which he (Earl Grey) had received on the subject, was of a very different east. He was informed that a Court of Aldermen bad sat that very day, and had cameo a resolution to the effect that, after the precautions adopted in similar cases were re. sorted to in the present instance, no danger was to be apprehended ; and &Tiber, that the lord mayor elect, in writing to his majesty's ministers, acted totally without cause. (Hear, bear.) The noble earl eoncluffed by awning, that it was quite clear there existed no want of loyalty or affection to his majesty ; disaffection only existed towards the adminie. tradon of the noble duke. He (Earl Giey), however, should support him against the attacks of the lawless. The Duke of WELLINGTON rose 'amidst repeated calls for him. As soon as he was audible he observed that the Lord Mayor could not depend fully on the measures to be adopted by the city police on the 9th of November. It must be borne in mind this his Majesty went in a procession, and not by himself; that the streets would necessarily be kept clear for fourteen or fifteen hours out of the four and twenty ; du. ring the whole of this time vast crowds would be gathered together; and he should like to know if his majesty's ministers would be justified In calmly standing by whilst such numbers of his majesty's subjects ran the risk of endangering their lives and properties; that feeling alone, he contended, was cause enough for the course adopted; but he should go further, a gentleman of high respectability, acting with and for the Lord Mayor elect. told him (the Duke of Wellington) yesterday, that if the escort of cavalry that attended his majesty, as a guard of honour, was to be allowed to remain tinder arms at the Mansion. house, during the whole time his majesty an d hi s m i n i sters stayed in the City, the most fearful results might be anticipated. His Majesty's ministers acted fur the best in the advice they had given to the king. Lord RADNOR observed that the letter of the Secretary of State, which was published in all the newspapers, had caused the greatest I alarm ; it bad now been travelling for fourteen or sixteen hours uncon- F tradicted, and the extent of the injury it would occasion could not be calculated. He was of opinion that the noble duke did not see the ex. tent of the alarm it had occasioned. He had heard that no fewer than 40,000 special constables had been sworn in to act on the 9th of Nevem. ber ; if such a force was considered unequal to keep the pestle, it was strange that the noble duke did not see cause for ascertaining the sources of the evil which gave rise to such commotions. To him (load Radnor) it appeared quite astonishing that the house should have wasted an hour of its time in presenting petitions against negro slavery, and discussing whether the country should have a moderate or a radical infant it ap. pared still more astonishing to him to find the noble duke speaking as he did, instead of coming down to the house and immediately adopting such measures as were deemed most advisable for snoring gam ttaaquillity to the public mind, after the promulgation of such a inter as the one which gave rise to the present discussion. The Marquis of BUTE defended the course pursued by the noble I duke and his colleagues; in the midst of confusion no man knew better than that noble duke bow to ac; he might with great truth apply the words of the Peet to him. " What man dares, he dares ; Who dares do more is no man." The noble marquis contended that the visit of their Majesties to the City might have been attended with the effusion of blook and that I. argued no want of personal courage on the pan of the noble duke to ad.. vise his Majesty to abstain from going into the City on thy Oh of November. Here this important matter closed. The Marquis of LANSDOWNE moved that an bumble address be presented to his Majesty, praying that certain _papers cosasessd with the Treaties of 1814, in relation to th e affairs of Helloed and Belgium, be laid on the table.—Granted. Their Lordships then ;11 - iourned at Ha !pat Seven reap& HOUSE OF COMMONS, Nov. S. Several no, members were sworn and took their seats. Petitions were presented, complaining of undue elections, from Cock, Drogheda, Taunton, and Ikhester. he petition hem Drogheda and Taunton were ordered to be taken Into coosidenties en the 4th of Janor uary, that from lkhesuec ember. son the of December, and that from Ck ea the 7th of D Mr. HODMION presented two petitions from Newastle-upon. Tyne against slavery. Mr. DENISON presented a petition from Clapham, raying to be exempt from the New Pollee Act. General PHIPPS presented • petition from Scarborough, spinet the duty on unbent coal. Lord STAhLEY presented seven petitions from congreptions of , Dissenters in Lanembin mama Slavery. Mr. BROUGHAM ma he thought the SiThilletellt for coodocdag the badness of the Hone was, that a minister should attend from the sitting of the House to answer any Important question, sad to boas the observations made on public pedtions; otherwise expediting the bed. nen by molting early was a mere mockery ; bat be supposed . wee by a mistake th ey erste absent, and that we should soon have a minister is the doom. _ (Hear, bon.) Colonel SI BTHORPE sold he was glad to beer what fell from the learned poderoaa. Ho awe down to ask a guides whether • loner be hod nod In the papsn that monks true a fogey, and vb.. *sr it could be true - that his M wm Welled net to some aims Ws ? ( al loy peep* who would have hi hit peessues olod &Bight Hen) 1 Mr. DUNDAS said ministers were never in ***bit of attending l at the sitting of the House--he had no doubt one would be In the House in a quarter of an hour. Mr. O'CONNELL said he supposed they were either agitated, al they were agitating. (Hear, and a laugh.) Si' CHARLES BURRIILL said be ht the subject ought not 4 to have been introduced in the absence of mi He thought they were just:fitd in the advice they had given his Majesty not to endanger the public peace. Mr. BROUGHAM said he had not even alluded to the absurd and . , mischievous letter of ministers in their absence. He considered it an attempt to involve the most popular king that ever sat on a throne in the unpopularity of his ministers. If the King went to the city with out his ministers no main could doubt how he would be received. (Hear.) The conduct of ministers had made many a utan who was worth thousands a few days ago now a beggar. The funds !tad fallen 7 per cent. Had the King gone without his ministers, they would have I risen. (Hear.) Mr. BELL presented eight petitions from congregations in Northum berland for the abolition of slavery. Lord ALTHOKP presented six similar petitions from congregations in Northampton ; and a petition from General Thornton, against call ing on the King to make the declaration against transubstantiation. The noble lord said he should be glad some other test if the King's being a Protestant, was substituted. Sir K. PEEL having entered the house, and taken his sent— Lord ALT H01(1) said, he wished to inquire of the right honourable secretary, whether the letter that had appeared in the public papers that morning, signed with his name, addressed to the Lord Mayor of London, announcing that his Majesty would not go to the City of Lon don, to dine with the titizens, as he had intended, was a genuineletter ; `and if it were, what could have induced ministers to expose his Majesty to the unpopularity of not going into the City of London, which must alarm the whole country ? (Hear, hear.) Sir It. PEEL said, however anxious he felt to answer the noble lord, he was confident the house would not expect that he should make any disclosures that might impede the course of justice (hear, hear). — The letter, published in the papers, alluded to by the noble lord, was genuine, and had his signature. It contained the expression of the unanimous opinion of his Majesty's ministers, founded on informa tion which led to the conclusion, that were his Majesty to go to the City in procession, u was intended, a collision might take place, which it wa. at all times desirable to avoid, particularly at a moment of excitement like the present. If his Majesty went to the city there would be an immense number of innocent people, many cf them women and children, collected by night ; if there were even a pos sibility that a scale of festivity and joy might become a scene of tumult and bloodshed, every man must feel how desirable it was that such a termination should be prevented. His Majesty feels perfectly satisfied of the loyalty and affection of the citizens of London; but he was at the same time time well aware, that when thousands of innocent people were assembled together at night, and in such a situation, that any per. son might, for the purpose of plunder and outrage, produce such disorder as might be productive of the worst consequences, there was one good and sufficient reason why the government should have taken the step they had dune. A new body of men had been appointed by the house to preserve the public peace, and if his Majesty had gone to the city, a past number of that body must have been withdrawn from all parts of die metropolis, and from nine o'clock in the morning all the streets lead. lug from St. James's Palace to Temple-bar must, as it was desirable to prim/cue the peace by civil force, be guarded by the new police; and as many of them had to be on duty all night,many parted the town must be left neglected, and, consequently, if any mischievous designs were in con. templation, those parts would be exposed to plunder. That such designs were in agitation there was great reason to apprehend. In fact, he was of opinion that there was not a sufficient civil torce to preserve :he peace. Let the house consider the disturbances of Friday and Saturday last, and they must have noticed the industrious attempts made to influence and inflame the public mind against the new police. Many thousands of handbills were printed and circulated against the civil force, some of which be would read. The tight hoe. gentleman then read several—the first beginning, " To arms to arms !—All London meets on Tues day next ; and, Englishmen, shall such an opportunity for redressing our wrongs be lost ?" Re Re. The next bill began, "Liberty and armsl—Englishmen, remember that London meets on Tuesday. You may rest assured that there are 6,000 cutlasses in readiness for Peel' bloody gang Fly to arms." lee. Now, he (Str R. Peel) would ask, what chance there was of the public peace being preserved, when such means was being resorted to? There could be no doubt then would be some attacks made on single policemen, or some small body marked out for vengeance. The military must be called in (hear), and as such must inevitably be the ease, he saw no reason foe exposing the lives of innocent men, women, sod children. He regretted as much as any one the disappointment that took place; but he thought the public peace paramount to every other coosideration. To stew the dis position that was felt towards the New Police, it was only necessary to show the assaults that were committed on that body en the 2d day of November. The podia then had been attacked in the moot wanton manner and without the least provocation. In the exe cution of their duty 'they apprehended a thief, and fee safe custody lodged him in the hones of an individual, whose house was shortly after attacked by an infuriated mob. Sixty-six eases of assault on pollee constables were beard before the magistrates on she 3d of No. umber. Forty-two were ordered to Sod bail, 19 were fired, and the others were discharged on their own renwisanees. It would therefore be seen that no lees than sixty individuals were charged in one d a y with attempting to break the public pesos. Could then a minister of the amen, who held a responsible Ake, look indifferently on the dangers that everywhere threatened ? Before he came to any determination, he bad received such evidence that carried a conviction to his mind that notwithstanding the universal auadunent and loyalty to the King, his visit to the city would be attended with alarming, and in all probability fatal consequences. The house would recollect th a t his Majesty's Go- vernment had asked for no new laws to suppress the disaffection that I now existed. They only stated that they were determined to put in force the authority they now possessed to put a stop to the agitation that ex isted. He was aware—he was fully aware—of the great disappoint ment that would be occasioned by his Ma*ty's not going to dine in the city. He knew the great sacrifices that had been made, and great expense incurred, all of . which no man regretted more than himself; but, as he had before mentioned, all considerations were of minor im. compared with the public eafety.—(Hear ' hear.) On an oc casionll the one contemplated, th ere would naturally be assembled on a November night an immense concourse of persons ; and amongst them, no doubt, many that would disturb the public peace; to preserve which it would be necessary to call in the military to assist the civil authorities; in attempting to do which, in a dark night, it was probable the lives of innocent persons might be lost. These was the reasons that induced ministers to advise their majesties not to visit the City of London, and thereby spare them the pain they would endure in case human blood had been shed. He knew it had been said his Majesty's ministers had become unpopular; but he would rather it be said en. than it should be said be gave advice or peed to a procession which was likely to be attended with danger to the lives of individuals. He would submit to any taunt or any sacrifice rather than consent to a measure calculated to occasion a disturbance of the public peace.... (Hear, hear.) Mr. BROUGHAM said be could assure the right hon. gentleman be meant to use no taunt on this very serious and important occasion. It was his object to endeavour to quiet the public mind, and allay that alarm which had been excited in the city and in the country by the right hon. gentleman's letter. In his humble opinion his Majetty's go. I vernment had acted most culpably in the advice they had given. He could assure the right honourable gentleman that his letter which up. paired in the newspapers of this morning had caused the greatest alarm and consternation. (Cheers.) All mercantile transactions had UM dined the greatest inconvenience, and be could assure the Howe as a fact, that the stocks had this day fallen three per cent.—(Hear, hear) -1 and this. it should be remembered, was after a fall of four per cent. dur. ing the pest week. Such a state of things could not be looked on with out the greatest alarm and apprehension. An individual, without any fault of his own, without say spaulation, who was worth tens of thou. sandi to-day, might be reduced to beggary this day week. He thought the Idter of the right boss secretary was a sufficient ground for the country to suppose that ministers telt great alarm at his Majesty's in. tended visit. He (Mr. Brougham) was, however, happy to hear from the statement of the right hon. gentleman. that he entertained tie fear of loyalty and attachment in the people of London and Westminster. He was glad to hear that they were nut tainted, but had offered every assistance in their power to protect the Sovereign and preserve the poses. But then the right hon. gentleman said it would be very dan. serous to have a great crowd collected on a November night. Ile could see no such danger—convinced as he was that nine hundred and ninety out of every thousand were actuated with the greatest loyalty and d.eire to preserve the public peace. The King never could go in procession without a peat crowd being collected, and It was only justice to the people of LOn&U and Westminster to say, that his person, whatever might be the crowd, would be safe. On one day the country were told that the Sovereign meld go in safety to visit the loyal citizens of Lon don—sad a few days afterwards, a letter comes from the Secretary of Stale to the Lord Mayor, which says that the King could net de so with safety. To what an :ti t an must this lead in the country, or more aheoad, his Majesty's popularity was net so well =; did is not look as if our gracious Sovereign had lost his peptlarity what they were told by an Aker of the Crown, that be amid not go through the town without cleating a riot ? (Hear, hear.) Such, however was not thecae.. The King was as pepsine as ever. no King could p as rarely through Leedom as ever (cheers). The = t a shadd go and leave th e u npopuhe Duke at home (cheers and ). Let him be shut up in ids house sad there Mad It (bear, bad. He would swot, that the King was as popuiat as ever—dru he week be as Ida as 11.1164mi1l that be would adviser Ua 1a p and leave hie eseapnaks bolded him (chews). Nat ihogodal if the meet past ems% adelt ban wads he the Doke of Wellies eso, as a soldier sad a ampesee, and a alierks of the essavy, the met inglisas aa invalid& MOWS, esogisd with a deviation by 'the Darts at Waives hoes Ids ow. poop, Rem of latent In aa Mimi is his part to mike Maar eitat Irbil\ amen (whieb had made L so Pun so Phowl) *ka t ! new intesdisd bias to bs, a plat mod soda aimseems Eagioma die midst et the ain ss fingetre of ems M din Bobble, and 1 inlet eskly ps etßoald pities of them..-for 1 hut that no deviation on the past of his Grace will ever eradicate from the breasts of the people of this country, the gratitude they owe to him as a soldier, and sometimes as a statesman ton—would to GOD I had not lived to see the day when the conduct of the Duke of Wellington had put him into that situation in which he could not accompany his Save retgn, in the midst of his people. to partake of a social repast. Colonel DAVI ES was Burris:it that the right hue. gentleman op posite could have supposed that he or any gentleman on that side of the house, would have approved of say thing calculated to lead to an attempt, or to facilitate one, on the life of the Duke of Wellington. The pliant Colonel regretted exceedingly the attacks that had already been made oar the character of his grare ' but what had caused his asto nishment, when he saw the letter which had appeared in the newspapers of the day, written by the advice of his Majesty's ministere,was, that it could have been supposed that a plot was in agitation against the safety of the noble duke. When, however, he had heard it openly avowed in the house to-night, that it had b een written because his Crime the Duke of ii'ellington had become extremely unpopular, his aetonisli ment had become ten-fold. Because his grim was so unpopular was he to break down thilottlarity of his Majesty T—(Cheer..) Because his grace was so un , were the whole of his Majesty's minister, to be made PO ? Irt erTwere already so, if their present conduct Was pursued, and they were not now so, soon would they find themselves in that situation, and if they could be guilty of creating such alarm, and raising such excitement, the sooner they resigned their situations, which they were incompetent to fill, the better would it be for the country. It had been said it was probable the police would be at. tacked—if there was a probability of that, had his Majesty gone into the City, the attack was now much more likely to be made to-morrow night, if his Majesty did not go. Was it said that en attack would be made on the duke's house ?—That also was much mere likely to take place, if the Royal visit was not wade.—(Loud cheers.) Sir ROBERT PEEL said his sincere object was, with the honour able and learned gentleman who had spoken last but one, to at. tempt to calm the public mind. Although he was rather astonished at t h e sarcasm with which the honourable and learned gentlerem had concluded the latter part of his vetch, be firmly believed that the King could have gone to Guildhall with no other chance of incon venience than that which might have arisen from the exuberant a - fection of his people. (Cheers.) He believed most sincerely there would have been but one universal demonstration of love. He was also firmly persuaded that every person possessed of properly would have lent themselves most readily to the preservation of peace. No less than front 1,44)0 to 1,500 of the most respectable and opulent citizens have tendered their services on the occasion. So far, there fora, from supposing there was any disloyalty on the part of his fellow Englishmen and the citizens of London, he believed there never was an occasion on which there would have been a greater and more general affection manifested towards a Sovereign, and a stronger desire to maintain peace. But the House would do well to ccnsider what state London and its neighbourhood would have been in tomorrow, had the King gone to Guildhall. All the police would have to be on duty from a very early hour ; and with the facts that had already come to the knowledge of government, lie did not think it would have been safe to leave the whole suburbs takeout protection. 'l'o collect together an enormous crowd on a November night, when there was a chance of its being necessary to recur to force, would be willingly going forward to meet an evil which it was abso lutely necessary to avoid, if It could by possibility be done. It bad been said that an attack may still be made to-morrow night ; if it were so, one great consolation would be, that innocent s would not be in volved in it, but the association would p alone among th ose s h o sought mis chief. The hon. and learned gentleman (Mr. Brougham) had put a perfectly correct construction on what he (Sir It.) had said. Never was there a sovereign more universally beloved, mid never had there been one more entitled to his people's affection. Mr. Alderman WAITHMAN said, we were now plated in a meet extraordinary situation—we were told that the most popular King the ever wended the throne could not partake of a dinner with his kcal subjects at Guildhall, without the risk of occasioning a breach of the public peace. It was incumbent on him (NIL %V.) to state same facts which it was important for the house and ministers to know, in addition to those stated by the right honourable baronet ; nor would what lie would have to represent to the house be his own opinion only. When he met the Court el Aldermen this morning, there was but one opinion expressed t which was their utmost surprise at such a step having been mhos as bum It was well known that an immense number of the must impuMidir pulls is London were prepared to reo. Ider their services for the of rauarviag the peace, and it was with ' consternation they bad the first time—been apprised of the advice which Ida s usishams had thought proper to give the Sovereign. He bad bad a tommualcation with three member. of ' the Committee, and they bud act the slightest apprehension of a disturbance but air commuskadon whatever had been made to the court of sideman", or the inegletrates of London, up to the moment that • they received the letter rides right hon. secretary. This feet could be attested by others of the s 1 as who were present in the bowie. It was a circumstance most deafly to be regretted, es it must now go abroad to the world:that his fojesty could not rely on the loyalty of his ppeeoopple ; or it must be admitted that be has a ministry unworthy of his eon . On Saturday a message was received from the secretary of state, but it was mealy to ascertain whether the letter that had been re. ceived from the lord mayor elect was genuine or a forgery. What must the public think of the government, who are blamed ? The effects were already apparent in the roamer that the funds were affected ; and I: would elect the depreeletios of mercantile property and interests of every description. It was Mange that the lord mayor elect had MX con. oohed his colleagues. Had it occurred before that unfortunate speech was delivered from the theme, it would have occasioned no seemliest.— The authorities of the city were perfectly capable of preserving the puss and would have laid down their lives, had it been required, to preserve order. With whatever might have occurred on the other aide of Temple Bar they could bays no concern ; that rested with ministers themselves ; but he thought there was nothing to be apprehended even there.- -He deprecated the manner in which the police bad been treated by a portion of the community; he was himself opposed to the new police: be thought that the defects, in the system might easily be remedied, and that it would become a most efficient body. It was not to his Majesty that the people felt any objettion—it wee to die Premier. He (Aid. W.) (crewed himself with sorrow and regret at the circumstance that had occurred, and he thought that if the conduct of ministers were to be. come the consideration of a Jury, that any Jury in the kingdom would return a verdict of insanity against them. He most heartily wished that they had withheld their tears until after the royal visit to the city. Mr. HOBHOUSE, in rising to say a few words on the momentous occasion, fully confirmed the feet of the striking change that had taken plate in public opinion that had been alluded to by the but. alderman who had just sat down. There was no disaffection wherever existing towards the august personage who now sat aeon the daunt, nor to his family ; but there was disaffection of the strongest character existing towards his Ministers in all quarters. He (Mr. Hobhouse) wondered that they did not see another alternative than that of stopping the celebration of the visit to the city. Whe ther they were not bound to consider their resignation as being prefer. friable to occasioning the consternation they had created—a emotion non which was unparalleled in the history of the metropolis. The vast change in public opinon that had taken place was to be remarked since the speech of the King had been published. and the declaration of the Duke of Wellington. If ministers had resigned today, and the KiNg had gone to Guildhall to-morrow, the confidence of the people would have been preserved. 1 here must be a change is the system of 02r 1-r -pm/tuition, and if the Duke of Wellington will not grant that charge we must find souse other duke that will, and that the sooner Ma better. Mr. BROWNLOW expressed hie grief and disaopoiatment at the occurrence. His present Majesty was deservedly the most popular Monarch that bad ever sat upon the throne. He might have gone unat tended from St. James's to Wapping, and he would have found ita fe• in the hearts of his people. It was with grief and indignation that he (Mr. Brownlee') related that Ministers should have pat such a speech into the mouth of his Majesty, making him an expressive tagan of sentiments in opposition to the fetidly of the people of Kneland. The King would have found a loyal and hearty reception is the C ty s but the mystery of the whole was, that the Ministers in the speech from the throne had shown the most heartless indifference to the sufferings of the people. If they had evinced any desire of reilwetion of the taxes, bad their measures at all been of a pacific description, instead of • bokliog out apprehensions of a war, it would not then have been neces.are to have put forth this letter. It was evident that is was the Duke of Wel lington who was afraid. lAderman THOMPSON corroborated the statement which had been made by Alderman Waithman, but he had gone into partieuiats in making that statement that he (Alderman Thompson) would not have given. He was perfectly satisfied, from the arvangtmerts tatai:e, that the procession and entertainment would have gone of witt,o ut least breach of the peace. There bad been 1,600 special caesuras sworn in, besides the ordinary police of the lie, and a nopect able body of citizens had scut their acmes and mount ing to about four thousand pentane, who had tendered their seek, aas constables for the day. The tendon of the chef mogism.te of tb.s day was quite unauthorised, who sent the message that he was afraid that the civil force would not be sufficient to beep the pew; hoe as they bad received the message, the executive government could aid have acted otherwise than they bad done. He could arm approve of UPI/- log the military in contact with the people. He rocolletted with fte I igs of horror the scenes that had been enacted in Manchester once; sad God forbid that a sink drop of bitted should .he epillastia this use re ptile. He had sten the meets throw& whit. papple s and disappolat. mot prevailed through every rant ; het ha had wileiseab she askew diepadtbas evinced to aramait a breach of she peace. 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