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o IC . _ - •"7: 48 ! ... - 7 f the existing tali. and trials that had well affected to•the nightly outrages. , would be the,object the extension of fin logs there could be should be immediai TO THE FACULTY. • A TRULY enviable opening at this tine presents . itself to any Medical Gentleman desirous of establishing I ilitioselits a Country Practice about eighty mil s frpta Turn, uilifee at &cast stint* is certain of accruing the np Ang year, so r•1 441 7 -41 i the rnmagal inartasloS; e6OO only required. Ater the 24th instant it will not be for Disposal. Apply (rat psid) tcrielescrs. Edgy and Co. Medical Agent; la, Bartlett sobuild . loge, •Holborn. Several very eligible Medical Practices and Partnerships for disposal, others immediately required in distinct Contains in England.--.Twe Medical Apprendois wanted by old established Practitioners. .af a whole district one individual had overrun the laws. The present _measure was aot an' arbitrary act of the Crown, but a remedy to camp an evil hitherto unexperienced in ;has country. Mr. TIGHT, in objecting to the first clause of the 130.1, observed, that in Ireland a similar measure had nix had the effect intended, most of the arms that came in having been such as were given up by the rebels, either to prevent their houses Wag burnt, or to make peace with the Government. He had no objection that all necessary power should'be given to the Magistrates ; but this power be considered more than was necessary, the Magistrates being already possessed of sufficient powers to meet the emergency, As an Englishman, he should object most decidedly to this clause but, not being an Englishman, hifek 'some delicacy in making the objection. Prom any thig that he had heard of the Magistrates of Eng land, he understood that they were remarkable for their humanity and_ feeling towards the people ; he could not, therefore, object is the clause on this ground, but from a conviction that it was illegal an 4 unconstitutional. Whence were the Magistrates to derive their Suspicious, but from informers ? and this class of men he considered dangerous, and the sys ? tern pernicious. They were men, whose intcrest it was to promote distnibances, and like the witches in Macbeth, to excite mischief. A man's house, he oh served, was not the place to seek for secreted arms, nor was the night a proper time-to look for them.- -.Such a search ought to take place in the day-time, -and in the presence of a Magistrate. For these ' emisons he should vote against the first Clause of the Mr. GJLES wished to throw no reflection on the Magistrates ; but contended, they might abuse their power, and therefore he was unwilling to intrust them with powers se extensive, and so much be yond the law. Intrusted with such powers, what controul would there be- over the Magistrates? If such a clause should be admitted, he would propose, as check, and some guard against abuse, that such search should be made in the presence of two Ma . gastrates, or by a warrant signed by two, as it was hiss likely that two should be guilty of abuse than one. He therefore moved, as an Amendment, that instead of the words 44 signed by any," there should be substituted, 44 signed by two Magistrates of the Peace." . • Lord CASTLEREAGH observed, that the Bill already provided for this, so far as necessary. To take arms from unsusrected individuals, against whom there was no, information of secreting dim, two Magistrates by the Bill were necessary ; but, for seizing stolen arms, there could not always be time to have two Magistrates, as much might depend on immediate proceeding. In such a case delay might Vittuded with great inconvenience, and therefore it had been thought advisable to make this distinc tion between those stealiug or secreting arms, and the reacrable inhabitants. Mr. TIERNEY, from his own personal know ledge and observation, entertained tke greatest re srect for the hlagis:rates, or Justices of the Peace ; but•of these there were two kinds. There were Gen tlemen Who resided on their own estates of this dee _saiptlon, and whose fathers and 'families had been so before them ; but there were also others of* very dif. krent kind, who were anxious to get appointed, such as the Magistrates of borough towns, and,Who, after their appointment, were very active and zealous, fre quently overdoing the thing, to obtain the approbatio9 of their employers. What would be the consequence, in such cases, of se:itching for arms in the night, and as the Bill allowed of digging for them in the garden or cielings, or any other part of the house that might be thought proper ? A man's enemies in this catat would take the opportunity of doing him all the anis. chief they could, and he would be literally subjected to all the raj ies of a mob. It was not, therefore, tod much ' and their • P..I.RL.I4IIkIENTARr PROCEEDINGS. HOUSE OF LORDS, liar 16. - - The Revenue Bill, the I.ife Annuity Bill, the Unclaimed Prize Money Bill, and the Irish Butter Bill, were severally read a third time and peeked. TIIE GENERAL HIGHWAY BILL. . On the Motion for the third reading of ibis Bill, a short tliseumion took place between Lard HARDWICK!, Lord LAU DZILDALr) and several other Peers. At length a division took place, when the numbers were : Contents, 4—lion•Contents,6 —Majority against the Bill, Si whereby it is lost for the pre sent Session. Counsel were heard lit the Batumi! Peerage, and the last %witness on behalf of the Claimant examined. It now remains for the judgment of the House, after the lt emcee Elm Coal ••• I• • • flittce of Privileges shall be received. The Bills on the Table were all forwarded f .111 e Patb, apd the House adjournel • . MOUSE OF COMMONS. • Colonel Btoost vs exo took the Nth; and his seat. • . A 'Person from the Exchequer presented en Acmes* , of the )let Produce of thp Cpnpnikleted Fluid !tad the WM Taxes in the three years ending the sth Inly, lon l e —Ordered to lie on the Table. A Person from the Tax-0111m preeented an Aecopnt of the Window Tar in Scotland. Ordered to lie oq the Table, Mr. LUSHINGTON brought up the Report of the Commit tee on the New Forest MIL To he prlittCol *Pa the Bin tp be reed a third time to-morrow. The House went into a Committee on the Assessed Tax Aikkavances. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER d a Resolution, regulating the Allowance to persons paying. Aisessed Taxes, according to theft. families. It was kneed to, and leave given to bring in a Bill accordingly. In a Committee of the whole Home it was proposed, that a Bill sbotild be brought in to amend the Act of the last Session, relating to the British Herring Fishery. The Home resented, and leave was given to bring in the Bill accordingly. A Message from the Lorda announced their assent to tbeCom mercial Examiner Bills Bill, and the Loyal Tokens Bill. Mr. WHARTON brought in the Crown Land Leaaing BM. Read a brat, and ordered tp be read a second time kap morrow. • The Frame Work Knitting BM was recommitted. The pun was received, and ordered to be taken into farther cos. 1 dsradon to-morrow and to be printed. • The Smuggling bill was read a third time and passed. Lord locexy re obtained leave of absence for one month. The Manure Carriappe Bill was read the third dine and paned. . Mr. LUSHINOTON•fIonght in the Assessed . Tax Allow ance SUL lead a beats 4111 i andhred to be read a second time so-morrow. The Co ff ee Seed" al want through a Committee. To re, .peet Limnos ow ... •....:-: • ' The Privy Punta ill Went through a Committee . The Re 'port was reeelvell, and the IXI! ordered to be read a third time to-morrow. • ' The Report of the Committee on the Vote of Credit was • brought up and agreed to. A bill was ordered accordingly. On the Motion of thiCHANCELLOR of theEXCHEQUER, there was ordered to be *laid be'ore the House a Copy of the Warrant appointing Commissioner's to inquire into the Revenue .of the Wesf Indies. yse . use Repo rt . from the saran dated the nth March, .1812. ' ' ' ' . '. - ' ; ' On the Motion pftbaCHANCELLOR of i he EXCHF.QUER, It was ordered, that tie tit:46e should, on hiondat t • iteholyttlntat a Committee on the Exportation of tiugsr Spirits.- ' The Priioners of Wu Escape Bill went through a Committee. To retort to.nsarrnw. ' ' - Mr. WHARTON brought up the. Papers rs*log to the , West 'lndia Connlssitmera. Tu Ile on the Task, And to• be printed. The - dropped order of yesterday, for the debate .011 Finance Resohttioni, was rinevrt trim' Monday. • puoiltrATiox Cni THE 'PEACE. ' • . . . - Loo cA.sTi.rgpApH moved; that theßeport of the Committee on the Bill for the preservation of the Public Peace, be now taken into farther contide • tn . tion. He alluded to the 'clause which, on a former night, he, proposed, and respecting which a great miiiunderstanding had Occurred in the House. He begged leave to gate, that it never was the intention of his M a jesty's Ministers to supersede the powers of sites Magistrates . resident in the disturbed districts, -and to prove this he would now again produce the Clause, with a modification, which be was convinced ' would not prodUce any opposition. He intended to restrict the provision to the giving magisterial powers to the sons of Peers, and to the sons of persons pos. Seised of landed property Anficitnt to qualify them - for Members pf Pa!liament.,(Hear, hear.)—This would also be only granted to individuali resident in the disturbed districts.— (//egr, hear.), .• General TARLETON condemned the conduct of the Noble Lord on a former night and proceeded .•toanirnadyert on the differenvevents that characte rised his Ministerial _authority ; wiea he was Inter rupted by - _ . . L.S. ~ 4 .•. Mr. NvAr...trs; who observed, "that the Hon. Member wag not tiPeaking to the question. . General 'f.ARLETON regirneti, and advised the House to be on its guard against arty.measure that should come from the Noble Lord. The question was then put, and the.repert was --Laken into farther consideration. ' • .On the Motion -of the CHANCELLOR of the Ex oiniquca, the Bill wasordered to be recominitted,— The House accordingly resolved nit° a Committee on the seine. Upon the reading of the first clause, - relating to , • aearebing for Arms, . . Mr. ABgRCROMBIE said, that he could not see • the petition for delegating such powers to the Ma r aistrate . s, and would therefore oppose the elapse. Lord CASTLEREAGH contended, that the &lause was necessary; fin' he had reason to believe • that an organised system of insorirtion existed. Th e meeting, the concealing, and p : D ee s ting of arms, incon venient, and in Male degree would be of great utile 'diiiiiitithir.g the evil that now prerailed to so gt eat an.extent. . Mr. BgbINZT r objected to trusting the Magis trates With any new powers, he would rather Wish to call for is rigorous account of the manner in which thy hied exercised the Kirers they already possessed. —He did riot ::ky ~I,D *ccuilo'• any body df men, but - a sie sspel the Magistrates bid acted imprudently, and • _ -4... 1....Lm5a..4 es4on;noller_ T4e4seilterLorl en eha. aer_ .have . . began IA Fehruaty, and weri in 144 April. , 4 J ; '‘LBERFOita represented the I disturbq • Country as a scene of terror and dismayt , and bloedshetl, The Pill really require* , co-operation of two Magistrates ; but even one, he contended. was.not likely to abuse the. power in ,to him. The Right lion. Gentleman had humorous do , the subject, in, his usual way ; but it was really no laughable matter. Did not the Right Hon. Gentleman know that there had been many threats of 'assassination, and that many of the industrious and peaceable part of the community had been obliged to fly from their homes. He did not - know that these disturbances had decreased, but if they had, it must have been owing to Parliament having taken up the question. It had been asked 1 why it had not been done-won% but this was a very ; proper titne, before Parliament separated, and when the nights were becoming dark and longer. The Bill, in his opinion, djd not go too far. Sir G. WARRENDEff. looked upon the Clause objected to as essential to the Bill. They had in thn case only a choice of evils, and the least was to give the Magistrates the powers required. This was. the essence of the pill, and besape necessar7 . a 4 pro. vent greater evils. Lord CASTLEREAGH would be barmy could he assent to his Hon, Friesid (Mr. Wilberft rce) but r was sorry he could not reconcile such a proceeding to his sense of duty, as he should, in that case, sa crifice the essence of the measure. In many districts the Magistrates were thinly scattered, and the delay that must arise before two Magistrates could be con sulted, would, in many cases, prevent the detection of offenders. It would be better to omit the clause altogether, than to have it sp amended, and he shculd certainly take the sense of the House. Mr. W. BOOTLE was Opinton, that in the county of Lancashire, and in many manufacturing districts, the concurrence of two Magistrates being necessary, would make the whole inefficient, He 54W flo dan ger of the Magistrate abusing his power. Mr. WILBERFORCE explained. Mr. HOBHOUSE thought, that by to much for bearance the object in view might be defeated, and saw no necessity for altering the Clause. Mr. W. SMITH was GO - opinion, that the advan tage, which in the case of a single Magistrate Only being necessary, would be acquired by greater cele rity, should be weighed against the unpopularity with which it might be attended. No Magistrate would be deterred by fear of prosecution, as the charge could not be proved, from executing private revenge. Mr. HAWKINS BROWNE thought the same objections applicable to two Magistrates as to one. He was desirous to meet the exigency, but not to go beyond it, and was of opinion that, by any altera tion of the clause, the effect of the measure would be weakened. Mr. MARTIN (of Galway) presumed that Go , • • 'moment must be better informed on the present subject than any individual possibly could be, and was disposed to give them credit for having adopted the best means of restoring tranquillity. A person going to. one Magistrate would excite no suspicion, which must be the case if he went to two, and then it would 1* supposed he was acting under the new law. It was not necessary the information shcjald be upon oath—nothing had been so much objected to in the English Law as the unnecessary multipli cation of oaths. It was proper that arms should be taken from the loyal as well as disloyal, if they could .not be defended, as by this means strife would be prevented. He assented to the totality of the measure. Mr. SHERIDAN said that he certainly did not mean to have offered a word in the Committee, re serving his objections against the principle of the Bill upon the Report being brought up ; but what he had heard from the Honourable Gentleman who spoke last, and from other Members, induced him to depart from that resolution. His Honourable Friend who spoke last had maintained that, with re. gard to the operation of the Bill, there could be no strife where was no opposition ; certainly that was true, and so lie might have said, that no rape could be committed, where there was no opposition— ,vagi . _ __ to ask that there should be some check, .laughter.) His objections to the clause in question that two Magistrates should be required to give Were strong. It went not only to take ernes from the concurrence, being less likely to act from personal suspected uisloyal, but from the man who was sus. resentment. He did not give any opposition to the pected of timidity. The Bill was intended to pro- Bill from a wish to oppose Ministers. (Lord Cat. vide against the forcible seizure of a r m s — an d yet , dereagh 'mild.) The Noble Lord smiled, and per- what did the law in question propose to do ? To haps little sincerity was expected from either side of emulate, to copy, the very crime it condemned— the House towards the other. It was not, however, (Hear.)—lt was empowering its own agents to plun front .a wish to oppose Ministers, that he opposed this der aims from all who had them in possession. And Bill, but from a conviction that it would do more at what time was it so acting ? At a moment when mischief than good. Why take arms from a man who we were told she crisis of our affairs was such, we was able and willing to defend himself ? Such a man ought co be an armed nation !—(Hear.) Yet, the having his arms forced from him, would do more to Government were now trying to make us a disarmed ;create discontent and spread disaffection , through the nation !—(Hear.) And where was . the cause ? Did country, than any deputies that could be sent fur that the people, for whose sake it was pretended they purpose.. He did not believe that there was any great! were legislating, ask it of th e G overnment ? Did quantity of secreted arms any where, nor that they, they grovel at the feet of Mini s ters—did t h e y craw l were collectedfromthe motivesalledged. Manypeople upon their knees before them, and supplicate to be in want of employment, had been guilty of nocturnal !. disarmed ? Did they say, we are too dastardly to ravages and plunder, and might find it necessary to I defend ourselves, take from us our arms, (or wa,can nave some of their party armed. With this view' not use them, and keep them in your custody ?No ! they might seize arms where they them; but lie : He denied the people of En g l an d were yet so base, denied there was any system of collecting arms, or of , were yet so degraded !—(Hear.) He denied also, regularly training, for the purposes mentioned. The , that there was any necessity no* for the meastire at Committee had been called a Committee of Secrecy ; I all. He denied it on the face of the Report. The but thcugh a Member of that Committee, he bad whole business remind e d hint of the sham Doti sad learned no secret there which he had pot previously 1 conspiracies of 1793. • He remembered What wee porn the Newspapers. -The disturbances first °tie- ! the alarms and actions of that eeriod. He rennin :rater! in Nottingham, and it was well known, that • bered when it was spread abroad that vast funds they were preyery quarrels between the journeymen 1 w ere collected in order t o stipportthe disa ff ected and llad their masters. I.'bey had 4fteriards spread,'bot , organize them ; and yet, it Was feeed wpm oath at, Were of the same description as proceeded from peck. : the Old Bailey, drat the wholeamottnt of those foods.' in want, of which circumstance the evil dispirsed i was .49, .44--(4 !ads .) 4 rl4t was .their g ire i v e Pitghtt no donblr . t ai "d vantage. In this pulney a I rier—(a 14 1.) Another report too ofa conspiracy man's house was MI castle, and he deprecatiil the ; at tbsitiferiod be feaseadlered, .with all the additions idea of forcing into, it ins. - the Eight lilac. A slake- of Ira* brining, &c. Audi Old it tura out ? able time was &wiry the Bill for opening the door ; 1 IVree.lefiers . and m e tid e o m ' i n .a b ac k , liut after that the house might be broken mien. 'Lehi ga r ret itiToolapstreet, i n the *lion ' (4 1 0 0 0 - di et i evei l might lie different opiniog*, however, isibli . sespiceits lie recollected, also, thie iuchlvas ea to a reasonisbk time; and Low was. a man fa itethei t in find plots at that time, that a- Matistrate said to the night times whether it wasa lidagiteae,:* Con; I 0131 on 4 , i, qsaiajee, ?$ Miie ue2 i t i m i teu d or amber 71111" ' " • • ' guide their decision. He would have had ever* of tionpia,mflteillevaniddenscuebro--estanstaimaiinparotiparn,sbeiandor7othsle-eGotaw..,lll try— ( Rear, idiarreard, Ateoars.trlnndthtehteroCrostnseatxittizeuse.ntiiobcitu;etoinfotheythf e r : no.snch law as the p resent was proposed. A for disarming the people indeed was gnat was a certain power to Magi s tr •tomewhat different. He well remembered the 4 . cnssions at that period. He w;11 rentemliered fool and unmanly debates in that House, wh oa • a question about searching for . arms in tie wo a' bedrchambers, as to how long a woman migbt s• lowed to dress in, before she opened the draw . officers to search. Some Gentlemen prom* , minutes; he, without any great effort of. ...__ feeling, ventured toistiggest to., minutes-46 mrs ; lint the Noble Lord opposite proposed that* . . le time should he granted, which was at last .:.: t Act, however, which originated with big •Il " b t u anourable Friend (Mr. Pole), much tu his how* i did not confer any thing Lite the powh.'s apes ' 1 m itesintended to by conferred by t h e present • . No Magistrate had power to search for arms o b i. upon suspicion] car; won oath; and shim I to be trannitittod;te the Lord Lieutenant, authority Opal Mns, or from his Chief 11 1 'was to be granted, before the li.tagi4* act : thus making the Executive Goverega g , 6 sponsible.—(Here Mr. Sheridan read e velhad i the clauses).—Good GOD I (continued fp; i a l; Honourable Certlenian) compare the twoitep4 1— Compare thp two Ads l—Compare the A l i 1 tlOns in the oite country and in the oast! He ' ! havethou ht there was some wisdom huh/ ings of Knisters, did there now mist say . they cams like sea-gulls, scmattaing rhea ih was over. Another and a :efficient remilyi s t been ::plied ; the disturbances were eook ia o 74 creasing, and yet such a measure as di. INA which could eel y_have the effect of initatingotio be proposed ! He hoped he had pet the sr* Clause ip such p light as w.uld make it 1,00 should remain. . The ATTORNEY-GENERAL obsseveloie any man who, like the Right Hosoanatie. man, disbelieved the whole of the Repo s come to the same conclusion with himj beds Honouratile Gentlemar, as yet stood alias' i f opinion. The • opinion ..f every other Cadge who had local knowledge upon the sirbjeat lipi N o firmed the Report of the Committee. Indwells mime there had been no difference of realise No the statement of fame; but in opposition to •• Os Right Honourable Gentleman had desired do : to take his ijere dizi(.. Some Honourable r • had found fault with the Report, because it crisis ed nothing that was not perfectly notorisen,sedik which every one was already acquainted. taco port gave an account of attacks upon houses, mid nocturnal meetings, which all h id conmnat in ing ought to be put a strp to. But it weed Right Honourable Gentleman did not evert • this—(Hear, hear, from the Ministerial 041 man who made such an as s ertion Might come* conclusion, and not only reject thi abuse, list whole Bill. He (the Attoraey.Generali the whole of the Report, and thought it a • hope to imagine that the clanger was at ... I The Right Honourable Geotlernan ~ . no knowledge, and he was glad be had now- Ur* sent calm Was only a temporary suspension, boo sequence of the Assizes, and the proceed, illt were now going on in Parliament. It nowt. of precaution were taken, who would bevies* for the consequences? A character of Moab rocity was attached to the proceedings is tbs bed districts : was that to be turned to lest' jest?. It WAS surely no matter for mateamt.. whole families should be kept in a state of alarm. Very late intelhence had been it - threats being 14-41 out to intimidate Pe'e'r giving evidence upon the trials. He would . Right Honourable Gentleman, were &airs 6 ,, law to be suffered to collect arms to ski* . selves in the commission of these lounges? the Government to stand coolly by anclule sures of precaution ? If the arms was there would be no motive to visit a bra i should it not-be lawful to prevent the or if so , to retake them again? Hub/ that such measures should be f:miliar touts contemplation of the law. In this case fence was the object. and Govern:mat Wi w i fur arms to protect the disrict. The arms taken better care of than they odd be byqp viduals to whom they belonged. With Ireland, he . would ask the Right Hass . , er i denten, did the outrages alluded CO esistia that was the dated tux Act to which be hada red ?—(Hear, ker,•frem 'blinisters.) As ed. try be supposed no outrages to exist. 'del tuNlly do exist ; - so, in Irviioci, he MO exist * hen they did not. • •Ther 4 in 1797, and the Act of 1810 was outrages had ceased. The ActA been something to the Right man's purpose, that of 1810 Mat hear.) The Right Honourable Ge who disbelieved the whole of the Rep .lecdy consistent in his opposition to the Mr. SHERIDAN, in explanatins. el the Attorney-General partook of the which be bad him. him. It was Al that he (Mr. Shaidas) was fortunate 11 local knowledge. in that can he oboe' better information.- When he said be& whole of the Report, it should have boo. grans. He did not mean to mate that be the facts. He had stated as an amoseld stance, as iil that no Ap shoßepoguti pend4 pibtr of camppiais, evifince bal l pot been a division, bi.thi Coatooicomo. al I for farther evident*? He had SO sure because the danger irip over: r i t sg e sig do' considerable huoioor upon the ab surditi . a law which might operate . 10 tame 111 F man's 'want of defiscpart those k who warp represented sod ' No moo !moduli ociol4 min we 71797 bisi .. - ..,• Notwithstanding the eit iendons ces lid taken place, persons who were hes ' n ttr Constitution, suffered' daili, and . WIL He was at a loss to know lish.lt i pans of the I :t of seizing arms, unless it watrer I of violence a sure 'disorders. For such proceed- the co-opera e no excuse or palliatk M o f and they he contender 1 ately suppressed. The agisttates trusted to hi t cheuld not be reprobated bkitause I beeno imam , imam ;~