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ed, that an intimation 141,1 (AI ~ : rcn to me some days before of Mr. I ltint's intention to request ire to take the chair at the Metropolitan in teung, and that I had re pli e d to theyarty so communicating this intention, my disapprobation thereof; still my statement is per. !telly reconcilable with truth. I have said, an d I repeat, that "tt was rtpresented to me that Mr. Hunt anxiously desired the intro. 'l..ction, in order to prevail upon me to take the chair." I have •tatti. and I repeat, that in that petsonal interview which followed, • • I df l refuse to lend myself in any shape to the object in view." As to Captain Henley, I knew not of the existence of such a person wail I read his name in Mr. Hunt's letter. And now, Sir, I trust that my future silence will not be contrued into an admission of the truth of any additional assertions proceeding from the same quarter, for it must be evident that the party who has thus maliciously at. tacked the possesses an advantage which I must disdain to employ. I have the honour to be, Sir, Your obedient humble Servant, BLANDFORD. M'y 24. TO THE EDITOR OF THE MORNING HERALD. r:lrt,—Perceiving my name introduced into your columns touch n g the points In dispute between the Marquis of Blandford and Mr. Hunt, I feel it a duty I owe myself, as well as the parties in question, to trouble you with the following statement of facts, which you will much oblige me by giving a place in your respect. able Journal. On the morning of the day in question, my friend, Mr. Blaquiere, (one of the late proprietors of the Star paper), called at my house in Bryanston-street, on business of a private and domestic nature, whence we afterwards proceeded to the Star office, Temple-bar, and wcre for a short time in communication with Mr. Bergner, when the Marquis of Blandford wasannounced, and shown into an adjoining room, the above parties at the same time accompanying him. Being Absent about twenty minutes, they (Messrs. Bergner and Blaquicre again returned to me, and both requested that I would do them the favour to drive over to Stamford-street, and bring Mr. Hunt ro the offirie, saying " The Marquis of Blandford wishes to see him, and will wait his arrival, provided you find him at home." Upon this I drove across to Stamford -street, and, finding Mr. Hunt, delivered to him the message as it was given me ; but Mr. Hunt, as he stated, having some other matter on hand, did not arrive at the Star office till some short time after I had returned. On mak ing his appearance he was immediately introduced into the presence of the Marquis of Blandford, with whom he remained something more than half an hour, and on his return repeated to me, in the presence of Mr. Blaquiere, the conversation which had taken place between them, and which, in substance, is quite in accordance with that published by Mr. Hunt himself in your columns. The above, Sir, is the only part I have taken in this transaction, and I refer to Mr. Blaquiere to say whether or no it is substantially correct. Apologising for thus obtruding myself on the notice of the public, and occupying so much of your valuable time, I have the honour to be, Sir, your obedient servant, J. U. Service Club, May 24. war. HENLEY. MR. CAMBRELENG'S REPORT TO THE AMERICAN CONGRESS. There is something no less quaint than true in Mr. Cambreleng's remark, that it has been the peculiar policy of die United States to secure an enlarged intercourse with all the world for empty ships of the most expensive construction. This remark expresses most happily the impolicy of restriction and prohibition. They are extravagant adventures of unprofitable speculation, which have not even the defence of being unforeseen. "We must repeal our ton nage duties, reduce our taxes on ship.building, allow a drawback equivalent to the duty on the materials," says Mr. Cambreleng ; and if they must, how much more important is it for us ! Our ship-owners complain of reciprocity system, but it is not that which they ought to blame ; for if they look at the numbers of our ships, if they look at the quantity of merchandise they carry out, if they look at the increase of shipping and of merchandise, and at the evi dent tendency to further augmentation, they must see that it cannot be either free trade or any trade whatever with which they ought to find fault. If they will consider a moment, they must acknowledge this themselves. Why do they continue voyage after voyage at what they frequmtly denominate a dead loss ? The plain truth is, that they are gaining all the time, but by a less per centage than they ought, if a little more attention were paid to them by the ad. ministration of the country. If, as we mentioned before, they had the duty upon foreign oak timber taken off, it would be of the greatest pos sible importance. That on hemp, also, might be abolished with good effect, aad if the scheme of our friend who proposed the abolition of the former are adopted, viz. to lay a countervailing duty upon every ship built, reducing by so much per annum till a gradual equalization took place amongst the old and new vessels, we conceive the ship ping iuterest would find themselves much better off than they do at present. That they are trading for a profit, we have no doubt in the world; but we are anxious to see their profits increased.— That they are so trading, they may deny; but we conceive the official account of their numbers will render it impossible for them to prove their denial. Before the free trade system begun to be sated on, there war an inclination to decline in the tonnage of British shipping; but with that system there was an immediate increase. In the three years ending 1826, the tonnage entered in wards was 1,964,182, and in the three years ending 1829, it was 2,121,930, the last of which three exceeded every former year in the history of British shipping. Our coasting trade has am et a r tn a t increased—our trade with foreigners in all directions has d —the entry inwards of foreign vessels has considerably increased, and yet this is the system which is to ruin the British nation ! It is a common argument of the anti-reciprocity men, that the increase is corsidered as a whole, and that the reciprocity countries, and those which will not concur in such regulations, are not sepa rated. Now, any man who will take the pains to examine a list of the tonnage, British and of all nations, entering British ports, will be surprised to find that the increase in our favour is decidedly great with the very countries which have most cordially joined us in the reciprocity system. Between 1814 and 1828, there is much fluctu. ation ; but when the tonnage of Prussian vessels entering British ports in 1814 amounted to 107,555 compared to 38,672 British, in 1828 the British tonnage was 133,753, to 99,195. But what a silly insubstantial argument it is to urge our not taking parts, instead of the whole, into consideration, if we have reciprocity arrangements with the majority, and find the whole augmented even beyond the proportion of that majority ! Another argument against the free trade system is, that freights are reduced, and it is urged that as the low freights of our ships arc occasioned by the low freights of the foreigner, if we could in crease ours, we should add to the burden of the foreign navigator ? Would this be of the slightest advantage? Would it not be more destructive to us than injurious to the foreigner ? Would not a rise in our freights from artificial causes throw more trade into the foreigner's hands ? If we were to raise the freights of the foreigner, would it not cause him to seek new channels of trade ? This ar gument, like moat of the positions of the restrictionist., is utter non. sense. Freights, like all other prices, and like water, must have their level. By greater activity of communication, and more free dont of intercourse, we may increase our commerce one with an. other, but we do not increase it half so profitably by taking one from another. The robbing system, that is, the restrictive system, acts upon this principle : We will be rich by making every body else poor—we will roll in wealth by impoverishing all our neigh. hours ! But look, for one moment, at the absurdity of the position. How could such a course succeed? Avarice and meanness are its commencement, and ruin is its end. You cannot get wool from a shorn sheep, and yet the restrictive system acts upon the principle of profitting from the disadvantages of others—of accumulating upon their losses—of acquiring continued and increasing receipt from perpetually augmenting diminution ! The truth of the matter is, that if you beggar your neighbour , " you will not be far from becoming wretchedly poor yourself; and you find a nation with which you trade becoming wealthy, you have a strong likelihood of becoming so along with it. For one country to attempt to become powerful by destroying the commerce of another, is as ridiculous as 3t would be for the plough to determine to acquire celebrity by re fusing to turn over the soil. To attempt to be strong by weakening others, is the most contemptible of all ambitions. To possess power by reducing the power around you, is only to be a little less weak Nan all the rest. As to shipping, if we find trade in general increase, we must in the end find our shipping trade increase also, and that with a con siderable profit—nay, it is out of the question to say that any trade can be kept up, by no matter how much art or ability, if it have not a profitable return. Freights are generally lower we admit; but every thing is lower, so that a candid examination does not show quite it much distress u the ship-owners would have us imagine. And for the freights they have they are often themselves to blame. How many of them were enthusiastic in the ministerial alteration of duty in the importation of timber from the Baltic and from the Cana u? Undoubtedly the Canada trade increased ship-owners and increased freights; but what is it after all? The timber is bad, the voyages are long, and the Canadian trade altogether is a propped up - affair, an artificial thing, a mere hot-house plant, for the sake of colonies of our own. The ship-owners may depend upon this, that they will never finally prafit from what is to the British public an unprofitable trade. The carriers of a bad article may have a good price for the carriage, but the system cannot last; and they will be surprised to find how a small freightage upon a good article will increase upon their hands. Moreover we would ask—how can a commercial marine prosper when the very principles of Its possessors are opposed to its employment ? France has always been ambitions of having fleets and able seamen, yet France for a number of years has been eager to produce every thing for herself. You must have ',safer ships before you can possibly acquire vessels and gallon. But behold the course of French government. It would make its own iron, it would not buy cotton goods but would manufacture them for itself, it would have no silk but its own, it would produce sugar from beet root at Is. whi c h i t cou ld h ave imported from the West Indies foe Ad, and what was the result ? Iron goods, cottons, silks, sugars, have }lowed in through illegitimate channel+, which have augmented the marine of other powers. while the produce of France, the great pmduee for which Mr. Pitt wished a reciprocal connection, as we mentioned in our last—the wines and the brandies. were compara tively left to dry up in the warehouses ; while at this very moment the French wine trade is not better than it was in 1789. The ship owners must at length begin to perceive that increase is not the legi timate result of exclusion and enmity. There is a wolfish augmen tation to be caused by rapine and unfairness ; that however destroys itself in its injury to confidence and good understanding; and it will be found that the increase which is universally beneficial Is the con sequence of concurrence and amicable union. It is the same with the produce of the earth, and the growth of the human intellect.— The principle of good and of advancement is everywhere a com petition of junction, not of oppo►i:ion—not of disunion, but of co operation. We have much more to say on this subject, but we must defer it till another opportunity, in order that we may have a few words on general matters. To conclude for the present in the words of an American versifier—we can hardly call him a poet : " All States would gain—none more than we, If commerce roam'd o'er ev'ry sea, Like Neptune in his car—if The products every clime could spare Might come and go as free as air, Unvex'd by any tariff." We must add that we shall be particularly obliged by our contem poraries, both metropolitan and provincial, acknowledging their quo tations of and from our articles. . Amongst the rest, we observe the Star has copied largc!y without quoting, and the Star is a paper which can afford to sire every other journal its due credit. THE AFFAIRS OF GREECE. Report of the Dragomans of France, Great Britian, and Ramis, of their Conference with the Reis Effendi, on the 30th of October, 1827. The undersigned, in consequence of the joint instruction, dated the 29th, from the liepresentativts of France, Great Britain, and Russia, having yestertley presented themselves to the Porte, without being able to see the Reis F.ffendi, on account of the lateness of the bout, again waited on that 111inisttr to-day, who gave them en au dience in hie secret cabinet. Frailchini said that he was the bearer of a message, in the name of the Representatives of the Allied Power& What dillies ?" said the Reis Effendi ; " we do not know them." The Allies," answered M. Franchini, " are Great Britain, France, anu Kusbia." His Excellency then listened, with the moat profound attention, and with the utmost calmness, to the whole instruction. At the passage, " Thus has been realised the resolution which the Representatives notified to the Porte," the Minister observed, that nothing had ever been notified to him, excepting assurances that no act on the part of the three Powers should interrupt the friendship which existed. • M. Desgranges observed that it had been announced to the Reis Effendi that the operations of the Ottoman fleet would be prevented by force. At the end of the first of the three ques. tions, his Excellency suffered these words to escap,! him, "Truly, this is very amusing." He thew desired ill. Franchini to proceed. The Reis Effendi did not again interrupt him. These were his replies:- 1. Whatever may be the answer retuned to Ibrahim Paella by the Sublime Porte, you have no right to interrogate us on that score. That concerns no one but Ibrahim Paella and us,—let every one mind his own business. When your Governments give orders to their commanders, do we ask you what those orders are: Our commanders and your commanders arc officers charged with the execution of the instructions of their courts. The Porte has not given powers to Ibrahim Pacha to sign any convention. That Vizir is commanded to employ all his forces, and every means at his dis. posal, to enforce submission on the rebellious Rayss, and to reduce them to obedience. 2. We arc ignorant of what has taken place between our fleets and yours. NI hen a woman is with child, which of you can tell whether she will bring forth a boy or a girl ? Knowing nothing, we can say nothing. 3. The Sublime Porte has always declared that it will never ad. mit the interference of others in its affairs. The Sublime Porte does not alter its resolutions; and, as it has already declared, so it still declares, that, till the day of judgment, it will refuse to admit of any foreign interference. l repeat, we are ignorant of what has taken place between our fleets ; and, when a woman is with child, we must await her lying.in, to ascertain whether she will give birth to a boy or a girl. It would be impossible that now, when, accord. ing to your repeated assurances, the Powers desire the maintenance of peace, we should presume that any thing would be likely to tlis. turb our friendship. In a word, the Sublime Porte has no new answer to give you. In the last place, with respect to the declaration of their Excel. lencies the Repreaentatites, as to their resolution in the event of an equivocal answer on the part of the Reis Effendi, his Excellency said, " The representatives can regulate their concerns in whateva way they please. Their intention, by to.day's proceeding, has doubtless not been to advance recriminations or complaints. It would be easy, in such a case, for us to ask to whom belonged the right to make them ? and wh at, then, might we not have to say ! But our business is to go on as h ereto f ore , an d to atten d to all the affairs of your embassies, in constant conformity with Treaties." They then retired. (Signed by the three Interpreters.) Copy:of a Letter addressed to the Earl of Aberdeen, by the 14 ep sentatives of Great Britain, France, and Russia, at Constantinople, dated April 24, 1830, MY Lona—On the Bth of April we acquainted the Sublime Porte, by the note of which a copy is enclosed, with the decision of the three Allied Courts, relative to Greece. We have just received, and we lose no time in transmitting to your Lordship, the answer of the Sublime Porte. We entertain no doubt that the Courts will consider this answer as satisfactory as it has appeared to us. The adhesion of the Sublime Porte to the decision of the Allies Is there. in given without restriction orreserve. It will nevertheless be our duty to report the observations entered into by the Reis Effendi, at a Conference to which we were yester. day invited by that Minister, upon some of the arrangements con. eluded at London, as well as the wishes which he expressed to us, and the answers which we returned to him. But being desirous not to retard the transmission of a document so decisive, with which it is important that our Courts should be made acquainted with the least possible delay, we reserve our communication on the subject of this conference for a further despatch, which will, however, speedily fol. low that now addressed to your Lordship. We request your Lordship to accept the assurance of our high consideration. (Signed) ROBERT GORDON. COUNT OUILLE3IINOT. RIBEAUPIERRE. CHARACTER AND EXTENT OF THE NEW STATE ) OF GREECE. Extract from the Copy of a Note from the Ambassadors of Great Britain, France and Russia, to his Excellency the Reis Effendi, dated onstantinople, April 8, 1830. 1. Greece shall form an independent State, and shall enjoy all the rights, political, administrative, and commercial, attached to com plete independence. 2. In consideration of these advantages granted to the new State, and in deference to the desire expressed by the Porte to obtain the reduction of the frontiers fixed by the Protocol of the 22d of March, the line of demarcation of the limits of Greece shall take its depar ture from the mouth of the river Aspropotamos, ascend that river as far as the latitude of the lake of Angelo Castro, and traversing that lake, as well as those of Vrachori and Saurovitza, it shall strike the Mount Artolina, from whence it shall follow the ridge of Mount Ones, the valley of Calculi, and the ridge of Blount as far as the gulf of Zeitoun, which it shall reach at the mouth of the Sperchius. All the territories and countries situated to the south of this line, which the conference has marked upon the map hereunto annexed, shall belong to Greece ; and all the countries and territories situated to the north of this line, shall continue to form part of the Ottoman Empire. There shall likewise belong to Greece the whole of the island of Negropont, with the Devil's islands and the island of Skyros, and the islands anciently known by the name of the Cyclades, including I the island of Amorgo, situated between the 38 t h an d 30 t h degrees I of north latitude, and the 2 1 ith degree of longitude east of the me ridian of Greenw ich. 3. The Greek Government shall be tr.onarchical and hereditary, according to the order of primogeniture. It shall be confided to a Prince who shall not be capable of being chosen from among those of the families reigning in the States that signed the Treaty on the 6th of July, 1827, and who shall bear the title of Sovereign Prince of Greece. So soon u the present arrangements shall have been conveyed to the knowledge of the parties Interested, peace shall be considered as established ipso faao between the Ottoman Empire and Greece, and the subjects of the two states shall be reciprocally treated, in regard to the rights of commerce and navigation, as those of other States at peace with the Ottoman Empire and Greece. § b. Acts of full and entire amnesty shall be immediately pub lbdt by the Ottoman Porte and by the Greek Government. The act of amnesty of the Porte shall ' , that no Greek In the whole extent of its dominions all be liable to be de. prived of his property, or in any way disturbed, in consequence of the part which be may have taken in the insurrection of Greece. The act of amnesty of the Greek Government shall prise-hum the same principle 14 favour of all the ilossalmans or Christians who may have taken part against its cause ; and it shall further be un. derstood and promulgated, that the blussalmans who may be desir. ous of continuing to inhabit the territories and islands allotted to Greece, shall preserve their properties therein, and invariably enjoy there, with their families, perfect security. 6. The Ottoman Porte shall grant to those of its Greek subjects who may be desirous of quitting the Turkish territory, a delay of a year, in order to sell their properties, and to depart freely from the country. Tie Greek Government shall allow the same power to the inha. bitants of Greece who may wish to transport themselves to the Turkish territory. § 7. All the military and naval forces of Greece shall evacuate the territories, fortresses, and islands ' which they occupy beyond the line Assigned in the second section for the limits of Greece, and shall withdraw behind that line with the least possible delay. All the Turkish military and naval forces which occupy tenito. rics, fortresses, or islands, comprised within the limits above men tioned, shall evacuate those islands, fortresres, and territories ; and shall, in like manner, retire behind the saute limits with the least possible delay. 8. Each of the three Courts shall retain the power of guarantee ing the whole of the foregoing arrangements and articles. No troops belonging to one of the contracting powers shall be allowed to enter the territory of the new Greek State, without the consent of the two other Courts who signed tee Treaty. 9. In order to avoid the collisions which could not fail to result, under existing circumstarces, from bringing the Ottoman boundary Commissioners and Greek boundary Commissioners into contact, when the line of the frontiers cf Greece comes to be laid down on the spot, it is agreed that that task shall be intrusted to British, French, and It ussian Commissioners, and that each of the thee Courts shall nominate one. These Commissioners, furnished with the in. structions hereunto annexed, shall settle the line of the said tron. tiers, following, with all possible exactness, the lire pointed out in the second section ; they shall mark out that line with stakes, shall draw up two maps thereof, to be signed by them, of which one shall be given to the Ottoman Government, and the other to the Greek Government. They shall be hound to finish their labours in the space of six months. In case of difference of opinion between the three Commissioners, the majority of voices shall decide. 1111 ) 14:111AL PAIILI.I3IENT. HOUSE OF LORDS—WEox EsDA Y. After five o'clock the I.OliD CHANCELLOR took his scat on the Woolsack. Earl Pomfret took the oa•hs and his seat. The Duke of ClOte DON presented a petition from Elgin against the proposed duty,on British spirits; also, a petition from another town in Scotland, praying for a removal of the duties levied on pro perty left by irtestates. Lord MELBOURNE presented a petition from Leeds against the punishment of death for forgery. Lord CALTIIORPE presented a petition from Rummy, and another place in Ymkshire, for the abolition of slavery. Several private hills were brought up by Sir C. Col.ws, Sir J. GRAHAM, and others from the Commons. Mr. Keating, from the Court of Chanecry in Ireland, presented certain papers from that Court to their Lordships. Lord FARNBOROUGH presented a petition from Northumber land, complaining of distress. Lord WHARNCLIFIE presented a petition from the inha bitants of Dundee, in favour of the Dundee and Forfar Harbour Bill. Lord HOLLAND presented a petition from the Dissenters of Birmingham, against the parochial grammar school of that town; also a petition from Dublin, against the stamp duty on newspapers. Lord KING presented a petition :rem, the inhabitants of St. Luke's. Middlesex, against the window tax. Earl BATHURST presented the report of the committee named to search for precedents, relative to the appointment of a commission for affixing the King's signature to public documents. The 3larquis of LANSDOWN presented a petition against the increased duty on spirits, front the county of Dublin ; also front the city of Dublin, against Increased taxation; and front Cornwall, against slavery. GREECE. Lord DURHAM said he rose fur the purpose of asking the no. We Earl, the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs, when the whole of the papas connected with the negociations which had been carried on respecting the affairs of Greece would be laid on their lordships' table. He put the question, because it was necessary that their lordships and the country ought to be set right respecting the whole of these proceedings. It could not be denied that a most unfavora ble prejudice had gone abroad on the subject. It would be recol lected, that two days previous to the declaration of his Ma jesty's ministers that nothing existed which could lead to the expectation that Prince Leopold would not agree to accept the So vereignty of Greece, excepting the matters of a pecuniary nature, he (Lord Durham) was informed that Prince Leopold had received a most important dispatch from Greece, in which Capo d'lstria and the Senate had declared that no arrangements on the part of the Plenipotentiaries would be consented to by the Greek people • and further, that the noble earl (Aberdeen) was in possession Of the knowledgeof Prince Leopold 's relinquishment , two days before he laid the papers on the table of the house. Strange mistakes also bad gone abroad relative to the true meaning of pecuniary ' considerations. It was but fair, in justice to the character of the illustrious individual who was the subject of these remarks, as well as to the country, but all mystery should be cleared away; at the same time he called upon the house and the country to suspend any judgment on the papers that had been presented, until the whole were laid on the:table. The Earl of ABERDEEN said he was anxious to assure the house, that his Majesty's ministers had nothing to conceal in these negotiations; he owed to put the noble lord (Durham) right in one assertion ; be (Lord Aberdeen) did not on a former occasion say that up to Friday night no apprehension of change existed ; what he did say was, that at twelve o'clock on Friday night he had re ceived a letter from Prince Leopold, conveying his relinquish ment ; as far as he (Lord Aberdeen) was personally concerned, he had no objection to lay even that letter before the house ; but in abort he was not master of that letter when he laid the papers on their lordships' table (hear, hear ;) and had he been at the time able to do so, he thought he could not, because it was calculated to make a very erroneous impression on the minds of noble lords.—(hear.) From the commencement to the dose of the whole of this business he was satisfied with the line of conduct he had pursued ; and he was satisfied also, that were any twelve mem bers of that house to take the matter into serious deliberation, they could not come to any other conclusion. But in answer to the ques tion put by the noble lord, when he rose, he (the Earl of Aberdeen) begged to inform the noble lord, that the papers he required should be laid on the table of the house on the day after to-morrow— (Friday.) Earl MALNI ESBURY was of opinion that all the papers ought to hate been presented together. He should be the last to judge on the papers which had already been laid on the table. Hari GREY was opinion that false statements had gone abroad to the world, which the noble earl ought to contradict : ex-parte state ments had also been made, much to theprejudice of Prince Leopold, which it was necessary should be set right. The noble earl con tended, that the whole of the papers ought to have been presented, espa dally certain correspondence which had passed between Capo d' stria and PrinceLeopold,relative to the relinquishment of the latter. The Earl of ABERDEEN said he could not produce the letters alluded; to by the noble earl until he bad the authority of Prince Leopold for so doing ; they were of a strictly confidential nature ; with respect to the menunial of the senate of Greece, he could not have presented It, as Prince Leopold had not sent it to him (Lord Aberdeen) until after his resignation ; he (Lord Aberdeen) felt anxious to make up the papers to as late a period as possible, and he conceived he lied acted right in laying on the table of the house all the papers in his possession at the time. Lord ELLENBOROUGH defended the course pursued by his majesty's ministers; nothing in their conduct led to the course adopted by Prince Leopold. Earl GREY rose for the purpose of moving an adjournment— , and he did so that the racist disscussion might be stopped. When all the papers that had been promised were presented the house would be then prepared to go into full consideration of all the bear ings of the question. It was entirely the fault of noble lords oppo site that these discussions had arisen. The Duke of WELLINGTON defended the line pursued by his Majesty's ministers. The present discussion arose out of a prac tice that had not been very uncommon during the present session, namely, of noble lords asking questions, and making speeches, when there was no motion before the house. The noble earl (Aber deen) had promised these papers to the house on Monday last, and though not prepared with the whole, he had come down to the house with those of them that were re ady, that he might keep his promise. Lord HOLLAND thought it most extraordinary that the noble Duke should complain of the noble lords putting questions in that house. He begged to enure the noble Duke, that such had always been the practice ; and if there was a period in the history of the country where the house was disposed to show more forbearance on that head, it was the present. For himself, with respect to the question of debate, he should forbear to give any opinion on the subject until he had perused the whole of the papers; at the same time, he should tell noble lords on the othe r s id e of the house, that if they expected to go on without having such questions put to them, they were very much mistaken. After a few words from Lord ELLENBOROUGH, the conver. lotion dropped. SUITS IN ZQUITY SILL. The LORD CHANCELLOR moved the order of the day for the third mains et the two bill. Lord ELDON the bill. From the low tone of voice in which the noble iced spoke be was almost inaudible. He contended that an additional judge in the Court of Chancery, as provided by th bill, was altogether un n ecessary; he would appeal to the exieri . . ence of the house, if the appointment of the Vice-Chancellor had not cause the greater delay in Chancery business than previously to his honour's appointment was the case ? It was a well-known pre,. lice for counsel to leave one Court, and go into another to attent to cases in which they were interested, and that often occasioned causes to be put off', and occasioned additional delay. He beeps! to repeat his reason for opposing the third reading of the bill; It, did not see any necessity for an additional Judge in Chancery, se a tour puisne Judges in the Court of Exchequer. He should meet as an ainenement, that the further consideration of the bill be post. ported till that day fortnight. The LORD CHANCELLOR said, that he regretted the step which the noble and learned lord had thought it his duty to take • the noble and learned lord kept up his objections to the proposed bill, which circumstance rendered it imperative on hint (the Lord Chancellor) to trouble the house with a recapitulation of his tea. sons for bringing forward the proposed measure. No one had a higher opinion of the great talents and experience of the noble and lens td lord (Earl Eldon) than he entertained; still, 0:1 the present occasion, he should not abide by the noble and learned lord's opinions, which he could clearly show to th e i r lordships, from the history of the country, were perfectly unfounded. He (the Lord Chancellor) lad made strict inquiry, and found that the arrears of public business had increased instead of beit%, diminished; what course, then, was left for hint to pursue? 11 could not help stating to theit lordships a circumstanc e trrh . C. lately came to his knowledge, in proof, if any were wanting, o f the great delay in Chancery proceedings. Many years ago claimant for a legacy came to this country ; the executors under the will for their protection applied to Chancery; the applicant spent seven years' delay at school, and afterwards went to Atneric, and got married, and his child now writs to him (the Lord Chancel lor) inquiring it there is any likelihood of a speedy termination li the case. Noble lords must be satisfied that there is ample for adopting some measure to put a stop to such delays. He had applied to the Chief Justice of the Court of King's Bench. No r,. lief or assistance was to be found there, for the learned lord at th, head of that Court assured hint that the Court was overwhelm.; with business. Of the Cour: of Common Pleas no more could is expected. The only way then, was to resort to the Court of Each:. qucr, if the noble and leaned lord (Eldon) admits the necessity of giving additional assistance in the Equity Conti. 'lke new, and leaned then recapitulated the statements he used on bringing forward tic motion, and concluded by moving that th.• bill be rend a third time. Lord ELI)ON said a few words in explanation. The LORI) CHANCELLOR observed, that the opinion of th.. Vice Chancellur was favourable to the measure. The House then divided, when there appeared— For the 1111 l tiou -- ll Against it 4 1111.jority for the third reading —......—... —7 Atijaurtied at a Quarter to Eight o'clock. HOUSE OF COMMONS —WEDNEsnAv. The house rant into a committee on Shakerley's Divorce 13.11. Mr. Adam and witnesses were heard in support of the Bill.—Reporr ordered to br taken ibto further consideration. Lord W. POWLF:TT presented a petition from leadminers of Durham for an increased duty on foreign lcad.—Ordered to tic ou the table. Mr. MOOR); presented a petition from Sir H. Lees, of BEd, rock, praying the house to adopt measures for the protection et Ireland.—Ordered to be printed. 31r. CALVERT presented a petition from St. Saviour's, in the borough of Southwark, against the Scottish and Irish poor removal bilL-I.)rdcred to be printed. A petition was presented by CoL GRANT, from Elgin, against an increased duty on corn spirits. 3lr. DEN ISON presented a petition against the Scottish and Irish poor removal bill, from the parish of St. Mary, Newington._ Ordered to be printed. Col. BA ItN.l it 1) presented a petition from the King's Counts. against compulsorT assessments for the poor of Ireland. Sir W. GUISE prevented a petition from an individual at Glou cestet, against a clause in the Friendly Society Acts. Col. BRUEN presented a petition from Carlo, against alters• tions in the stamp duties. Mr. BYNG presented a petition against the Irish and Scottish poor removal bill, from St Leonard's, Shoreditch. Mr. E. DAVENPORT presented a petition from Sandbank, Chester. against the Welch judicature bill t he afterwards observe:. on the impropriety of having a bill on so important a subject fixed Ifor to-morrow, when, as the Dezby Stakes" were then to be de. cided, there was so little chance of a full attendance. Mr. C. W. WYNN pretested a petition from Dumbanon, against the Clyde navigation bill.—Ordered to be taken into consideration on Friday next. . Mr. BROWNLOW moved for accounts of the duty on glass in Ireland, for the last ten years—Ordered. Sir M. I. STEWART moved for various returns respecting con victions for forgeries in Scotland since 1791.—Ordered. Mr. KENNEDY moved for an account of the causes decided within the last year in the Sheriff's Court, Scotland. Mr. R. GORDON asked whether the learned lord intended re proceed with his bills this Session. The LORD ADVOCATE replied, most assuredly; they wouid be proceeded with to-morrow or next day, if there were the oppor tunity.—Account ordered. Mr. LA WLE V moved for an account of superannuation', and the expenses of the establishment, connected with the manufacture, for Government, at Edmonton, of small arms.—Ordered. COACH PARCELS. Sir T. ACLAND brought forward his leave for a bill fur the re. lief of stage and mail-coach proprietota. He said those proprietors had suffered serious grievances, in consequence of being rendered liable for parcels of considerable value, although they had not been pointed out as valuable, because the difficulty was to prove that the parties bringing the parcels had teen the customary notices stuck up in the offices. The proprietors are willing to take parcels to the amount of 201. but what the proprietors sought was, that they might be released from being an..werable for parcels of value where the value of the parcels had not been described. He concluded with moving tnr leave to bring in a bill to relieve mail-coach contractors and stage-coach proprietors from liability for parcels, the value or which had been concealed. Sir C. FREEMANTLE and Mr. N. CALVERT baying mad:: some remarks, the motion was agreed to. Mr. G. DAWSON mond that the Four per Cents. Dissents Biel be read a third time. Mr. E. DAVENPORT moved as an amendment, that the house at its rising do adjourn to Friday. The amendment was however eventually withdrawn, and tl:e was read a third time and passed. The report of the committee on the Beer and Bigg Acts, (Ire. land.) was presented and agreed to. of nl I.• 01 ita 'al ;11 ad a. u- x sl, est. ed e. It ,11 n. ed tc he of C. ed en up he he ey arc th ITS 01 it Ili c• e. Cc e. 11 it re I. ,0 a st Is re a o it I; f. SCOTCIII_ ♦ND IRISH POOL Lord STANLEY moved that the Scottish and Irish Poor Re. moral Bill be reed a second time; and as there was opposition te it, he suggested that the discussion should be taken in the next stage. Mr. S. BOURNE lamented that even this stage should be allowed to pass in the absence of the Home Secretary. 31r. HOBIIOUSE said it would be impossible to pass this bill with its present clauses. Mr. Alderman WOOD said the bill was most objectionable—it proposed to provide that the Irish poor should hare no relief whr ever, but be passed on. It was altogether objectionable, and ns should therefore resist the further progress of this bill, and dicde the house on it now.—(Cries of " No.") Mr. N. CALVERT said he resided in a parish that had no pool of its own, but which was subjected to great expense on account c; these travelling poor. Mr. LITTLLTON thought the matter ought to be considered. and that the experiment ought to be tried of relieving counties and places from the expense now incurred—that the parties ought to know that they must depend on themselves. Mr. GRATTAN said the bill had been already before a corn. mime, and he did not see how it could be amended. He had Cver been friendly to some measure for the relief of the peasantry of Ireland. Mr. ESTCOURT said that this bill had nct emanated from a committee ; it watt the desire of the noble mover of it that it should be considered before a committee, to ascertain how far it was 'vac ' limbic. Sir E KNATCH BULL contended that it was useless to attempt to patch up the system ; provision must be made in Ireland for its poor, and that before another Session should be allowed to pass Rimy. Sir T. FRIKMANTLE observed, that if poor laws for Ireland were provided this evil would not be remedied. The parties were able-bodied Irish labourers, who would not come within the poo . laws ; they mum periodically, and as it was in proof that they ilea ample means, they ought to be made to rely on them. He hoptd the hoe. Alderman would not divide the house on the present occa. don, but let it go to a committee. Mr. BY NO wee against the bill, and he was sorry that it should be brought forward in the absence of the Home Secretary. Colonel WOOD trusted that the bill would be allowed to go to a Committee. The travelling of poor labourers was great, but Welchmen attended for work in the parishes, and when there was no longer any week, why, they worked their way back again. (A laugh.) This travelling at the public expense ought to he checked; and amongst the Scotch and Irish there were Englishmen who availed themselves of the present state of the law to travel to dif. &rent parts of the country in pursuit of work. Alr. MAXWELL thought this was a question that ought not to be taken up without a root deal of consideration ; with respect to shipwrecked seamen, ncotebmen, he trusted that no greater dila. cultke would be thrown in the way of their getting bock to their hotness ma Pri oft exe; the atm loud Pfri