Star. — London, England, 1829-05-22 00:00:00

. .. in Chancery. There were chi jurisdiction of the Mower of the Rolls did net • mired, and frosts *roe the new Judge was tel be eacluded.. It was alp necessary to render definite , and uniform the practice of the Rolls Court, and the other departments of the Court of Chancery in some respects. It was doubtful whether the Rolls Court could hear pleas and demerters, and it was also ques tioned *oilier it could heir' any..motions which bad• not been Specially, ieferred to its consideration by the ' Lord Chancellor. it was, therefore, necessary to ' the Maser of the ROM the pima hich it wasdoubted; whether be possessed it oresent. The relent. Mester of the Rolls had -been spoke° of personally, and he" should say of him, that he bad beard a greeter number °realises in A giveniiine*an an y Judge who had ever peelided it the Rolle, and that be was sure, be bad come into o ffi ce one of the main pillars of the Court of Chanceig. He (the Lord Chancellor) bad not intro., diicedinto the Bill any provision for the Master of the Ittilla fitting in the morning; / but. in Ineetioniog the matter to that Learned person, he bad immediately ac. • 'quieoed in it. as far as. himself was concerned; but . ihe difficulty which had pressed most of all upon his (the Lord Chancellor's) mind in the consideration of the . 'subject was what had been stated Ivy*. Noble and. :Learned Earl, that the introductioa of another Judge' , *mold increase the number of decrees, and therefore the number of appeals. But as the Court was at pre. lent constituted, the Chancellor bad. not the power to hear the appeals, as the ether balalaika ,of the Court poured in upon him so fast that it was impossible for, him to find time to beer the fiPpeals. Now, the number of appeals had, upon an average, exceeded, foal in a year' from the Master of the Rolls and their Lordships, by voting for the preposition now• upon the table, would enable the Lord Chan. cellos; to give all his time to the hearing of appeals.-- But he asked the Noble and Learned Lord whether, if there were sixty appeals in a year. the Lord Mato:elks, if he bad time to attend to them. could not dispose of them with sufficient rapidity? But there were other circumstances, such as incidental motions, upon which. thrives discursions might arises but, if time were Fives to deiide„ this evil might also. be materially diminished. He still entertained the opinion that this measure would be of vast advantage in this respect, bet. as it formed no part of the Bill, he would not now allude to it. His; Noble and Learned Friend had only vary recently read . the report Of the Commissioners of loquiry relative to common law ; but he must have perceived that thry • recommended the separation of the equity juifsdictios . from the common law in the Court of Exchequer. They • bad distinctly said that they apprehended great advan tages would result from Such separation, and by giving to the three Courts ihe , aanie advatitagee; and they also state that the equitable jarisiliction might not to cos tonne with that Court. They adverted.to the evidence they had received in supper' of that . proposition._ He would not , however, detail that evidence to their Dird ships, but would merely vote. that of. air John Richardson. whose loss, through illness, must be : greatly deplored. He had said, that, in order to unite theCeurt an efficient Court of °Eqeity, it should' be separated from that of Common Law, and a jadgee should be' provided who should devote himself entirely io that branch of the judicature. The Orineiplei then laid down wars, that the equity and a:minion law jurisdiction sh'ould be separated. •He bed listened of the•objectiois of his Noble and Learned Friend, and such was the conclu sion to which he had come. He did siotirein to touch upon the revenue jurisdiction of theCourtofExitieqoer, because he was not willing now to enter upon that branch of the subject —net that dieVoireransent did not intim to' do so,f or that jorisdictiodhad been found morels* cum braes and inconvenient. and it 'was a question whether the whole of that department would not be.remodelled. One person who resided in the lest riding of 'York re ceiied no lee than moat. a' year, but performed his dirties by a deputy, to Whole he gave SOUI. a Year. • It was very seldom that review glees torolvedroseneity points of importance, end when they did the Chief Be , lon might easily decide than. But biaprOpoeition Wits this, sad only this at the mesentutoyiest, that it was abe Windy necessary that another judge should be sp. pointed to the Court of Cheacery, kesu the only plus by: which it was p ossible to' curry into *Sect the resole-. sneudition of the Comisireioners. Y if Voirto lords would for A moment reflect urns theddaya than new eerily took 'placeleollie:Ceust•of . Chatfeety-40 the 'ruin that ensued toss Soapy hiMilies is opesequenctof such delaysse'filt`' gigged that 'Noble Lewd. WOW feet satisfied to omit no means et carrying • any iii provemeet into effect, and would, under the citesto. statics'. agree to the third reading of the . The Earl of ELDON explained. it was, he thought,' * wart of courtesy on the part of the Mauer of tit R;4l, not to inform hips of the, jointed Orders. - The .LORD CHANCELLOR explained. The glas., ter of the Rolla had armed tbreseh the Noble Baron rhos he should have no objection to sit in the morning.. He.(die Lord Chancellor) had had bo tonnnunication with him : oo thestiblrct. ,• , - Lord HOLLAND was desirous to eity a few words on this subject, and lie could on; but eepreer his regret that the • Neale and .Learned Lord (Eldon).-bad post poned hit'Objections* to the Bill until shit third reading ; and, if_ e Wird fiolleod) did not state his . rriewsbefore, it eras because he did not wish to throW any.difficulte . in *the way of e great wock.whieb sgtherottur and credit Wage:Noble aid Learned Lord, tied ..which wouid.s trorted,.is the end materially beseit-thai. public. But if tile:AM : paged the House, all opporttiolty of stating .olajeitiotse . would be taken away.; ;therefore could notivoid now engreging his doubts no to the nature sod goilessey of this Bill. The Noble aid Learned Lord hidsteted it to betb•say simple Bill; but it was on • this'aist Oegottatikat be (Lord Na)' objected to it, be teb4ifie it the re called upon to do that obich * wai4ot :the wis to do which was mow roam to dos that which was is it lfincomplete. Not that be would witlitioldBsooo4 or . 10.00 A or . eves 2 0 .0 0 0 4 a yeae. ;if the . ewndiitsrB of such a ism were zecoseary. Perhaps it belliOedient to ottete a new. Jac's*, astii A new, oust, in cothequence of the reforms the ' Noble and Leataed turd marabout to introdOce into tititoort of ghat cery; bet. what lie Laos .Holland) complained of . welahls.....that Ilse. Noble and Learned Lord had -belt** the wrong end, and ha could not see 71:17 1 1=:;.` He was egaost ; ledg e 1491-14 la ve eai .l l' een tail he &pew what the itttep4o4 „ mower* were. He had heard issue* to make. bite heel that reforest in. the Court Of Chnorory. were 'Necessary, bat not a weed to snake bias imegive that it egg *st neceasary to s iii ) ,P ) Ot ainci lodfle• eseireet in Vet latelbee. . the present Meow of 4heltogeis bed • betel beeo.rerneived, *cause it permed :go lortied Judge was hienielf liatisfied with the proposed ahet , the ease otherwise, he should bare on* 4 spot birdshlp . as' Sigerdat itsilppppos-iirdfreitioal. lie4.eed 141 . 50. Ass eitythis BiU thostig for n fspriaps, *ens ble the SON .aed Lord to bring the question before Mi Houteln a MOM tangible shape, and to .state the nattikend Altant Of.l6lL.COMMllipiated improvements in the Coon of Chancery; and he should therefore move that the Bill be read a third din this day-fort night. 1. - iiid IakDESDALB said be hid been- acquainted with the Court of Chancery during 4 period of three score years, and of course bad bad.somensperisect in -seference to it, and upon this subject his inion was, o that it would be betterto make the equity .j urisdiction ofike Court.of Escbequer more effective t han to ap point a new. E q uity judge. In matters of 'revenue it would not be found easy to separate the equityirom the legal jurisdiction; and therefore theprincipal Judge in the Court of Exchequerought to be acquainted with Cproceedings in Chancery. Ile wished the Noble end a c r e n e :d Lord would, for the present, withdrew his Bill ' for the purpose of giving it further cootideration. Lord TENTEkDEN could have wished that the principle of this Bill had been referred to the Judges of the Court of Excltequer for their opinion, because they were well suited to form an opinion upon it. The Com missioners of Inquiry hed—certninly recommended a separate jurisdiction in reference to that Court. bat be, did not find that they recommended its abolition. He had, however, no objection to the appointment of an additional Jude to the Court of Equity, and thought. an important point would be gained by.giving the. Lord Chancellor greater time for the discharge of his drains: The LORD CHANCELLOR dun put the question an tail asesodwoet. whisk was negatived. - 1 The Noble wed Leaned Lord then put tt i t1:1011 nu tie thi ad- The gisal inotesk whisk wee carried without a di The MIR was s' real a third doe and pawed. •,, MS IhriPlitot LONDONDERRYpeeeented i Peddle hes , ew* seineetimi withwith the coal wads against the London al* .. liiii.=Thi Heise then adjourned. , HOUSE OF COMMONS. - Mr. 1101111011 - SE wod that the Sc. Juan's Vestry Bill be atm tea a tkkd duos. Mr. PONSONBY lowed. u as siosendastot, that the read • third dusodiat day dose months. Sir S. 1110.RI•AND seconded the amendsw. • Mr. DRNISON suppoeted the Bill. He was quite surprised at the pppooldue wirested to it, as is the Committee the oak video noised spittle k bad bees that or the His. Dame, Mood( ••a select mestrylme. dr. BSTCOUBT objected to the manlillf IM whisk the an had been berried ea. Be was sot of 'Odes, that the priposed - 1 *maths would glee the pariah any greater enmity than ft at premst *eyed. Hie peat objection to the BIS was, lievriver,, that it had hem he l 4 le "richest maids, foe the tiref the Cestaktee at Select Vestries; which was seer *deg. Uwe was ambles radii to requiirit all the baste observable in the pre. media& and be fell . ceseiseed that the delay disked would be ideentagems. losing it Warless, to all perdue. • ' Ser. It. WILSON supported the-Bill There was se pfttnt whatever for sow eppeekig the BW whkis bad be.. shames owed, measly approved of is the Clesentittee. He cesteeded that dew was se resod fee the impindea that the seems had he ti ben; tied at, sad would also oestend that* the abeam* wee deekehle. oleteheold. therefore. mite fee its beimitow read a third dram Mr. HOBHOUSE mild. If se limp was to take passe is the system, bow was the perish to be seemed from an ahem whig, eyes these who sew spieled dig NI @Righted to have eldsCeici" A public eseetiag bed beet held, at whisk Lewd Dethea end two or threember Poem as well as several Mseaben el the Reese of had attended, bet Ness of these wile sew applied the Bill. Tithe/ meeting. and by Oat steeds& aNM was draws up and introdineil into the Rouse of Commose, and referred to • Callalittat.llllll, eftwithetandleg the advice el Mr. N. C.aleitrt that sense arrengeirest should tabs plate, the Vestrymen refused te meet; the euppecters,of the , Bill with that view, and yet they ' mew mate forward to appose k. Would the Reese of Comma tolerate the perpetual government of the parish of St. James by thirrj.twe entrees, the majorite of whets, who had the left kg of the accesats fee the support of the peer, were thitteelves Overseers of the Poor? .Many others, among whom were Lords Hardwklie and Sprear, sever atteeded at all the of amounts, aliment* to Mem* per amens. The Alferestee mein the friends sad the opponents of the BM was this, that the teener defrayed the ammo: et the proceeding they kd curled ea est el their own pockets, while the lair charged to the as must of the parish every dialing eapeaded on their oppeeitiso. The Hon. Member concluded by regretting the Aimee, through severe ledispotides, of Ms Hoe. Colleague (Sir F. Barden), whit. however, he was eeritorierd to state, folly ceacurred is..pport of, -the Bill; indeed, bed its semen deeply at bean. Sick. ILNATCH BULL ,opposed the Bill, thinklig as be did that it would be 'infinitely better to ;wait the Report of the venni Committee on Select Vestries before way partial measure should be istrediteeti. • 4:1131YSISI wee is favour of the BM es It et proem-weed, el. be confessed that, had be bees pretest et the mead pad.: ime, he would lust opposed It, but the &Widow mode la [Clads Coesaiittet WIT rearelbtdldas to lt. The Howe age &rifled, vries there wore— For Aga the It Amendment inst • ,s. it biajorit y _ _ --4111 !, ' Mr. VrODEHOUSR said he had 'wade a prepesideo to Ow Imminent width he wished te swam en that snidest. He pra , that these Ceinstivrietwt sof Sadao adessed by Howe cameo( Id awes those el the Camillus, of Idahoan, •todiseass the at issue , and report their opinion to. the Howe. , . ',be CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said thaithe' was net a cooveoleat lime fee the reasidentieg of the whew*, Rube Bused wee deprived V etre sifts mot; aad sqili,a °leers. Hoiorrer, geosralty, he was , not .dielso. ti OF proposal of she Hos. Cisotientaa , on the WOdervi sa, 74 l Illy this this report dr th e . primes prapesed to come trawler wet be espeetirdser bind the Geeerearwit. Sir. EL AN &T, presented a .Parides Wes Weston, lierluili4 MSa wore ogaskassveipwrit of liar Roes. ... , Bill tee regularly/4ft Aleisissof Crannies was read alreei Row Te be rad.. wooed. Wes es illisity. lir. HU MK mond faillssins r glt Oise armed le the Ireliri ebstied•Cetirts. ' oh • 1 • 11111i.81111111A411111ea datum • 011 the leather or the SOLICITOR GENERA Lydre Order of. the 'Day for resuming the adjourned debate oo the 31101 Ile or Malaga now writ 'lot the county of Ckre was read. TM SPEAKER'hasing put the soistiou,- The SOLICITOR GRNERAIL said. that it leek bo m tbo revokable of rho Hon.* that on a .fortner smoke. orhensother wbjectswere disesised, it was-suggested by •0011 Itiegu./44miloirs when judgment on these martetikee entitled to math oho**. that the station ihOoldesotain a riterebiltenke proikluies ditls reeetatitattne regulating the franthkelirl alut Irlshiraiholdern- Conantring with the rininableiess if iltateogpatlON he krve est osisbittow his former ntotlen, yotilishrettetofer it a attire that the Awake: ritiMui his warned fir a hew writ.tohjeet th ttii pmvisiorts vi the hoist shake an the stibjeet ifVie 'Mabee. holders. • _ Mr. RICE, in -iising so =me en ,emendesent, 00.. treated the indulgence c.f the Haw.. ,l-fewas.surathat, .it appeared .to a British House of Comisesistbat the undertook • present subject in the discharge of his duty, they would extend to him itheir.favourelde Walk pence. Rut, even in doing that, be shuold.noterespees on the time and attention of the House. Before he Avoid go iwo the question he wished to state, that the pro duction .of his proposition wesquire unconnected .with: skirranannell. The .suggestion did sot proceed Limns filr..O'Corinell or front any ulster; . he did noteven know. Mr. 4 opionion as the proposal; sot was his motion connected with grasp 'feeling;. indeed, late events, even in *elation to this subject, showed that the asessurelcoctedisl net .from posy. The proposition was exclusively his own. The ntotien had sot pro ceeded from forty. itor was it ;intended et an attach en pan y. He was set shostile he theovernment ; iie eased under .no coowideration but with a sefesence so frisk hue:est:Gaud Irish tranquillity, And with a view to ten, tier complete die ftWriiilollll of the late iseneficial Re. lief eia. Het would sot say that Mr. O'Connell baying refined to Ulm tficooth laciaelisbis to: It -sad wow in Oa. aPhiS; hot !men *Ugh .tbeAiessta, ,iodicialli o may Sc. of opinioit. dig O'Coiot 1 " 11 , 1 " 1111.11111 . 16141114 . 0 0 1 " 101 that ; bat, WWII I cello, Court, subject to' the centrotillins power 4 - 0, 4 t hsposhoe t an Lop! Chancellor. Tile remainder of the $ lll, / 1 1 thatiiiiheot .istd simple in any Ojai could he. The new Jodi* wee H o m an di i s no to be able to hear all Ms.% A res, demorrcp, alid- 00 l ie c o mpose d motiont-h:that is to say, every thing g rowing nut of and ta me d L on a suit i 0 Chancery. There were woe cases so which Houle la a more , • • t' ' wan Alt eidettito lak• gds w*a. , .r e direAsuVre-in • Milne thatt fiked hit 'Mr.' Rice's) pa* if*, tacleacy. than that the jritalltel tobthellew . . writ. Before he wontlutifier lik wish‘ad.tiristeniad the thin.. that on the Committee on the Reliaf Bill the Iton. Member for - Doilin was disposed to suggest an amendment on 'Melanie applying to Catholics'elected before the enectminft of the Bill. Ile.(Mr. S. Rice) stated on that eceasionlliat Mr. O'Connell did not wilt that a qsaidon personal to himself *odd be int/odor:et' if it were thought calculated to injure the general cause of emancipation, which: be (ripened to bemery beneficial to Ireland. He thisilg.).atlded at the time that he made . that communication oo the part of auother,and expressed no opinion of his own on the 'abject. If Mr. O'Connell hid petitioned' for' relit then, indeed, such a request might be pied in law tphis (Mr.ltiee's) motion. But the proposition was not Mr. O'Connell's, but his, and it was founded on no motive but that of public expediency and a regard'for the public peace. It was worthy of remark that the Solicitor General had moved for the new writ only on Tuesday lest. Now, he must complain of the breathless haste of the Learne d Gent.'s progress. Bin die Learned Gentleman's subsequent conduct was still mine censorable. and indeed unparAlleled in the record; of Par liament. namely. that be should have proposed a motion for which, as impracticable, he was this night obliged to substitute another. Some Members thought th.t Mr. O'Connell vacated as a matter of course on his refusing to take theoath ; but that was not the fact. The House was not compelled by any statute to declare the seat vacant. It was quite a matter of discretion to the House to du so or not. Archdales case, as quoted by the Solicitor.; General, proved nothing otherwise. It was not impe rative on the House to declare the seat vacant. They' bads right to decide it on the ground of expediency.— The casesofFanshaw and Moosoo baying been attended on different circumstances were inapplie.rble to the pre sent. Archdale's case was the only one that applied. The precipitancy of the Solicitor-General's measure was injurious in' another way—it deprived Mr. O'Connell of the opportunity of applying for the Chiltern hun dred.. But in defence of that baste it was argued that it was proper to issue the new writ with a view to supply the full complement .of Members to the /louse; but his (Mr. Spring Rice's) motion would accomplish that object as effectually as the motion for a new writ. If, indeed, the electors for Clare bad pd. tinned for a new writ. that might have been some reason for it: But the doctrine of keeping up the fullness of the House in the matter of representation had not been so closely observed in former times in respect to Clare, for it might be recollected that Clare bad been, before now, represented by a Member holding the place of Ambassador to the Coon of Stockholm. What bad become tithe doctrine of fullness of representation then? If there had been a complaint from the constituents of the Honourable, Member for Clare, he could 'then see the propriety of granting a new writ; but in issuing it without such a complaint being made, was bringing'the noose of Commons into contact with spangle individual, and mating the risk of making Mr.O'Conoell a political -martyr, and of again disuniting and distracting Ireland. la every case of the kind the generality of the people wile disposed to sympathise with the individual against whom the House of Commons exercised their power.— An instance of this kind bad occurred in the case of Mr. Wilkes, and if that case was sufficient to excite the people of England, from one end or the country to the other, he would ask whether, in the peculiar state of Ireland, the danger of exciting the public mind was not much greater, and the inexpediency more obvioui? This was the argument to which be wished portico. larly to direct the attention of the flouse—who was the Gentleman with whom they bad to deal, and, es he himself said in his address, which had, at least, earned for him the admiration of the entire House, whom they were disposed to make a Parliamehtary outlaw? Was Mr. O'Connell a simple individual who was not connected with the sympathies of an entire nation T. Did they think it was the county of ClarealOne which was interested in his case, or. hat the sympathies,' he feelings, and the interests dlreland were not bound .op with it? The Legislature had, in the course of the present Session. passed three Bills„ each of vast kn. portance--a Bill for the Relief of the Roman Catholics, a Bill for the disfranchisement of the forty shilling freeholders, and a Bill for the Suppression of • the Catholic Association. How would the present step bear ripen these three Bills ? lint. with regard to that for the Suppression of the Association. a sew election, under such circumstances, for the' county of Clare wand produce an Slection Committee; sitting in the City of Dublin. communicating with a distant part of the country, agitating the public foffinvacting on the same priociple of the Catholic Asiocitrion, add ins. tified in that course by the vote which- they...re about to come to. .kle said justified, -for if, - under goat CiT= cunsatances. there was a single. Roman Catholic in /i.e ./and who would be indifferent to the returi df M. s 'Connell, he must be deficient in every feeling of era. diode for On man who had I,ught his battles, and who was mast instrumental in the success of bit quessioa—z. (Hear). at, a sect and a nation they were Itqualtylminad to inn themselves under those einsteinium's, and, if so, would not the issuing a new writ afford gro un d fur fresh agitation throughout Ireland, and melds an , arena for the agitators on the hastier of the county 'of Clare? Again, bow would this sem. apply to the ilis frauckkameat Bill? The ropk bad submitted-quietly. to this insoles of their rights in comegoenee ortbe• great measure by which it was accompankt; but we it not be potting them to too *mere a test if, in case Mr. O'Connell should be defeated in Clare, they were to reflect that, *bile in possession of the fogey shilling franchise, they had returned the NM of their choice, *heroes, being deprived °f lint right, be had been tbrnwo out 'at an election? .With regard to the, Relief gill, bad not the lectors of Clare a right 40 complain that as injury bad been inflicted on them in the person of their Representative through 'that Bill ? He conteatled that on this forced election for the minty of Clare would rest the consequence of re. eking disturbance and agitation in Ireland. If the Solicitor General bad not made the present motion—if be bad even suspended it, and allowed the Hoomar able -Member for Clare so exercise bk• discretiot---ai new election in that case 'would have a totally' dif ferent West. it was on this account/that be wide his present motion, which was merely ifer.thettddltion bf a clause to the Relief Bill, that in all was the oath to be taken at the table of that Honse.by-Reasen - Catholic Members should be the oath protided. by the Relief Bill, and no other... He made this emotion 'beamed present be thought mach of the goodwhieh would otlfet4 wise be derived from Relief Bill was neutralized} and, on the other bold; be called - upon aurlidmi Member who might differ with 'him •to 'show any, evil or incorrenience which could- possiblytesultfrons' the admission of Mr. O'Connell. /le fibbed, in ton: chaos, to refer to what bad taken :place elseiebere, when a- proposal bad been made from a very high; judicial atatttosity to introducer= astandatearfea4be* purpose NOM pointedly cid:ding' tirtCreoollellT Hew was that propositicomot ? They were asked s pf,. then in passing a measure of such importa nt; .toald consent to descend from the" high statin s - 4 which legislators ought to stand, and to direct an A Q against a single individual? He (Mr. Rice) would ag the Houteovas this Act. or was it not, ditected agni sQ Mr. O'Connell? T. Ohm - It wit a relief; to him i t was penal. He called` uliein khans to vireove a s re , striction, and for .that purpose would move, as as anseodment to the ortginit mutton. for Nate to lai n , in a Bill for auseudiug the Roman Catholic lt e li a Bill as far as it related to oaths to"be taken by t o . man Catholic Members of Parliament. Cord MORPETI3, although he role for little ow e than formally to second the motion of his Ron. Fije s d , could not. refrain from saying a Few words. the m kt paiticularly became on Monday night, *belt they o , tur discussing a mere point of law, and in a mere judici a l capacity, he found it was impossible for him to vote f or the admission of Mr. O'Connell; acrd never had he toter 'tn a decision which was.more hostile to his feelings.,.,. At present, however. dry' were called upan to /m umw a more Jr. libelist'''. character. It was asset ted on all b id es , that no personal feeling diet ated the ezclosion of th. -Hon. Member for Clare. They had now in oppette, nity of proving ,that assertion; for if there was no p er . sonal motive there was certainly no general asistieict or the Legislature bad de!ermined, and had already missed, Roman Catholics to sit in Padiameoh O'Connell, he thought, bad earned his seat well, and he hoped he might long adorn it. But it was as an liish Catholic he (Lord Morpeth) wished to see him within Vie walls of that House. General GASCOYNE said that when he entered the House he had not the smallest idea of supporting d m Hon. Member's amendment; but, however he Mi g h t . differ (rota the Hon. Member with regard so them e* of the amendment, they would come to the same 50,., elusion ialroting that the Bill ought to be amended... It appeased to him that many bad effects bad mee t from - the - indiscreet and unguarded manner in whieb ale Bell had been paned. Opposed as he was to that Bill, he did out carry his opposition to a private individus.. He had contended, as long as be could, .against the entire principle of the measure, but, now that the battle was ' ova; tt we, far from kis wish to deprive theHon.blembe r for Cl re of the benefit resulting from it. He thought the Hon. Member had been badly treated, and he knew not whether he was himself aware of it; but in passing this measure his fights and interests had been compro. mused between the party on the sight and the party on the kit. Some bad said it was through inadeem ese y he was excluded, but 'sn far from that, the subject had been frequently alluded to during the discussion. Had ' not &Whit Lord cow., down and made the Honourable Member for. Clare himself a party to that compromise! But, his were not the only rights , which were compro mised. There had been others far more extensive, sad in contradiction to a principle which bed been always professed but seldom acted upon, the rights of from three• to four hundred thousand freeholder% had been forced' from them. They might send the Hon. Member back to Clare, but Whete were his constituents ? He (General G.) , supported the amendment because he thought there never was so 'inject an attempt made in that Home as. to deprive the Hon: Member for Clare (Ibis seat. When the Catholic Relief Bill was in progress through that House, he (General GascOyne) had put the quesiios, whether that Bill tepealed any and shit Acts of Pars. Cement? for the• Bill was so loosely drawn up that tt ex di cult to say whether it repealed any Acts or not. To his queiiion it was replied that when the Bill went into a Committee an opportunity would arise for considering what .Acks.it repealed. He Was therefore in ignorance what Acts were repealed by it when it was fit 4 intros. dined. It would be remembered that he was no partyte she Bill. and that in fact he gave it every opposition la his - patient. Itiitea:po wonder, therefore, that after the Bill wets imgAMpOttee he, and o th ers who acted no him7ificfnotAloseamd.toits minute details, and invite what particular Ails of Parliameorwermiepealed by if:- :Heated- thole with whont'lle actedeppoied the Bill oo its, general ' p_tincipie.' The Honourable-Wok/ for Weeniouth ":lJugdeti)-stated. in the court* of Ate • :debits that she Roman Catholic Relief Billiepealed Ito Act of Parliament, but that it aubttituted one oaktie another ;. and it Was no winder that Tie (General tisi coyne) should be satisfied that such was the fact, asmoning that if the Bill repealed- any 'Act oftmlies moult could not escape any one so learned as the fib. floured. 'Member. In' ut, he (General Gascoyae) was not aware tbat the .Boman Catholic *Relief Hid repealed any Actof Parliament until it escaped from `tie Right Now Gent. in the•course of the debate. know appeared in fact that:this Catholic Relief Bill, as it ias callid, was another. Act of pains and penalties. It was*. Act which punished, by a forfeiture of goods and chat. teda ote the first offence, and was therefore highly penal. No strolger mitherity was .required to show the ions. vinience and inadequacy of the measure and the degra. dnie which it had entailed on the Legislature than she manner in which the oath was tendered and refused It the 'table by the Hoo. Member for Clare. These was eis poselbility of obliging Mr.CrCoatnell to take the i ca#l• it that . a:tithe. They might rime that Mr. O'Coosell au subjfict to take the oaths, but they were yet to few whethei any penalties or punishment would folk, froeklia refuse!. — Expedietty was the motive it an rtatirdinfbiinging forward the Bill. and the elope of ili• se Who liad previously opposed similar memos - sek n ifoended on expediency. N ow , h e wo uld Mikes Gagmen who voted for the Roman Cathodic !Wit Bill-Oar the ground of-expediency, whether expel:lMO ' ' weskOw to be left entirely out of consideration? At exPetlleocy induced those Gentlemen to vote for the se • Midi.* of Roman Catholics into the Legislatures/AZ d* -ner Induce them to keep the peace of Ireland, thtry.'wets now informed upon creditable WWI! stop 4 in . a most precarious mate, if tisk. Main 01 the; flonourable Member for Limerick (Mr. &MO sboVld be rejected. He thanked the Hon. Menibtrlar Limerick for thecandour with which he bad stated hi views - on this subject, for it bad relieved him (Geawal Gascoyne) from a charge against which he should other wise have thought it incumbent on him to defend him self. There was evidently' a doubt as to the coosket• lion of the law as it applied to Mr. O'Connell's caw; • and such being the case, why should hisllajesty's Meer tens take advantage of that doubt, unless they alma? perceived that by the Act of the present Seeks they 1 10 , gone farther than they wished ? If some ferlial !ir that kind did not exist, why* did his 'Majesty's MIN' lets beiirate, 'and oppose 'the admission ,of a privei iollividual, which admission could never be formed ifs° A, otecedent,..eis it was absolutely' impossible that 11 1, ledividual could ever be placed in the sa me situatiwillt • which Mr: O'Connell' now staid. When his . blajerlf 4 Mitifsferl hesitated to admit Mr. O'Coinell they ablld* c 9notres.fiAblejlith justice to the imputation of thass Wades In the old proverb, which spokeof those ate i allowed-a caufetand choked at 1 gnat -Ile believok t ( Beni of iliecoiscessi6<osudis to the Roma CP 44 11 5k4W4 1 : 1 4 9 r!t_ Acill:rian real; but now that di c cession was omit le could net see the objett csclbding Mr. O'Connell. Fat heel own part he Wadi Is* 2 Boni addr %he q Bent wool • toot peak of M !on. aco jai For. For . I email tratic Moul alien uruci and I whicl to be those Thigh . any I surd] wont Nous naenti • sanga . plate( but a condi tner oia Roadie in his pi . 111. (Mr 1 vilcit way ral -401111111 'well mai be 'din Mott ob look. I VW sag forted t idle M e Proposii antral tomer in ti bate Lear !"4"). Mt-1 peal tl nut Ai •. %