Star. — London, England, 1812-03-27 00:00:00

Right Ha- Gender se's as to the purity of his Imo chequet) was for making them ill powerful in West tives, be would venture to say this much, that if it minster-Hall, while th ey were of no value on 'Change I . should happen to him to spend as long a life in that • The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQU ER, -. House as the Right Hon. Gentleman , he beliesekd he adverting to what fell from some of the Gentlemen HOUSE OF COMMONS. MARCH 46. would at least be as free from acting from selfish on the other side of the House, as to th e thin asten- Mr. Alcock, from the Treasury, presented an Account sheer.. . fa , iins fig how the money voted for the service of the year 1811, in , "'"" g (Hear.) , dance of Members, observed, that it was no t to be solar as ratted to Great Britain, had been disposed of. ' 1 Atter a few words from Mr. Rosa, Mr. STANT- attributed to any apathy on the part of the House Mr. Hase, from tbr Bank of England, presented an Account FORTH, and General Tefterrox, the question was to entertain the question, but arose from an under of the total value of the Forged Nixes which had been presented put, and the Paper ordered to be pritited. standing that the discussion was to take place on the at the Bank for payment and refused, from the fat January 1 of I L 'e o st o er do ci o a y w a a y s er h y ti n d nm in ero G u o s ii m i t i n . g c o on f v t i ii i vpure7. TENDER OF NANE-NOTES. IEOI to the 91st December, 1811. committal of the Bill. Upon the former Bill, Gen- The Pilots' Bill was read a third time and passed. On the Order fpr the second reading of the Gold tlemen had predicted and argued that this measure abort all, far The Honduras Mahogany Bill was read a third time and passed. Coin and Basik-note Bill, was leading them into' the high road to ruin, and the suen tto requisition-64 To take into con dere The Military Commi , Sioners Bill was read aSd time and passed. 1 Mr. MORRIS said he should oppose it, as a mea- like ; but these predictions were as fallacious on the SI t on The Canada Trade Bill was read a third time and passed . .... the unprecedented situation of the country, arse ta sure that went to rnake Bank-notes a legal tender, former occasion as they were on the present. l er -ne adopt such measures as might be thought necesurT Mr. HOUSTON presented a Petition from the Merchants' i for promoting enquiry into the state of - public of House of the City of Glasgow, against the Monopoly of the East without . the Public having any security against for. Right Hon. Gentleman (the Chancellor of the ...s -tadia Company. 1 genes or excessive issues of paper. It oecurred to ehequerl ridiculed the idea of establishing a perfect effecting a Reform in the representation of the Penne. -for reforming public aboses- and , .Mr. I.vvvt.rrow gave Notice, that on Friday the lath April, • him some years ago to witness the evils of such a standar d, and reprobated the language that the he should bring forward a Motion, to amend the Statute Rild sys tem As very considerable precautions were taken a --r -y tem as this in France, when there was no other . country was in the high road to ruin . He contended in Parliament." Geo.ll. Cap, 33, in so far as related to tyranny in the Navy. MAIL COACH F.XEMPTHOIir. currency there but that of assiguats . At that time that there was no similarity between our present papa • prevent indiscriminate admission into the Hall, it as a p Lord B 1 X NINO/ moved that the Report of a Select Committee there were offices established at the corner of every currency and that of any other country on any for- . of the House, recommending the Abolition of Exemption of Mad street where people might take their assignats to see suer period. b e sa fely said, that the assemblage on the presentee. Coaches from the Payment of Toll, should be referred to a Com- if they were forged ;but this grew up into the great. Mr. MORRIS explained. casiou, though extremely numerous, was more Idea. m ittet of the whole House. than usual. est evil : for the very persons who were entrusted Mr. PON SO NB Y wished (as he had not had an . i At one o'clock precisely the LORD MAYOR In the Committee, the Report of the Select Committee was with the secret became forgers of assignats. sreed to. There ,opportunity of delivering his sentiments on the Bill tthe Bill then be. The Report leans brought up, and Lord Binning ordered to was no way now in this country by which any man , o last year) to say a few words on . • that this . the Hall ; and as several of the Aldermen passed ti.e bring in a Bill, which was brought in accortelgly, read a first could tell whether a note was forged or not. He next fo r e the House . He was fi rmly convinced mis time, and ordered to be read a second time on Thursday the 16th Chair, they were received with the customary a rm of April next. . . objected to the Bill on the ground - of its providing no measure, instead of being calculated to be ne fi t t h e sions of applanso or disapprobation. limit against the excessive issue of notes. He believed country, would tend very much to injure it. At the The Loan MAYOR then came forward, and said be PRICE OF SHIPPING, Mr. BARING rose for the purpose of moving that there was no set of men who would exercise this time that the restrictions were laid on the Bank, i t . had summoned the present meeting of the held in his hand the requisition in consegeenee 0 a paper laid before the House on Tuesday last, power with mere moderation than the Bank Direc. WAS said by the advocates of that measure, that the rhould he printed. It was a Return from the Trans- . tors ; but he would not give them such power, be- cash payments would soon be resumed ; while those vilircelliryh.e All that he had to beg of them was to.pre t port Office of the rates paid by them, for shipping per. cause it was a power which they could not wield - who opposed it said, that they never could be re - serve or d er an d d ecoru m, ana l to perm i t every from the year 1807 to the present month. The object He would not have the House resort to a measure of sumed as long as the law stood es it did. N ow, he son freely to speak his sentiments. lie hoped t6p of the paper was to thew, thetehe value of shipping this kind until enquiry had been exhausted, and until i would ask winch of those predictions had turned out would give every man a patient hearing ; f u s e de ny it should appear that no better mode could be adopt- to be true ? At 'the time when the restrictions were had very much increased, because the Transport differed from him in opinion, that they would atlas Board had paid very high prices. The tact , however, ed. He therefore thought the House ought to have , imposed on the Bank, some persons said that a large express that difference respectfully. On his pant s previously gone into a Committee on this subject.- , issue of paper currency would relieve the di ffi culties promised to observe • the strictest impartiality (4t. appeared from this Paper to be, that since 1809 the Transport Service had taken up shipping at 255. and As the denomination of Bank tokens had been raised. under which the country then laboured ; others said , jamas); and should immediately CAUSE the requiteme that since the early part of the present month •they he should also propose that the denomination of the it would increase them. Now he wo uld again ask so be read ; thinking. that the sower they proceeded gold coin should be raised, by allowing the converti- , whose predictions had turned out to be most tree . had paid only 21s. He could easily have believed, from the improvements which had taken place in the bility of paper into specie, as was the case before the i He did not believe, any more than the Right Hon. ito business, the better it would be f or a u present. i Silence being proclaimed in the Hall, the m o w provisioning and equipment of Transport Vessels, Act of last year passed. We should then have a Gentleman (the Chancellor of the Exchequer) that tion, the subsuncc of which we have given ohm that the profits of the owners might have suffered a metallic currency, and there would be no temptation there was any country in which the issue of paper was then read. to melt down the gold coin. currency was at all similar to this ; and so far he be-1 reduction ; but it appeared from this paper, that the Mr. WAITHMAN carne forward amidst coasiderskit Lord A. HAMILI ON opposed the Bill. I lieved that Right Honourable Gentleman was pretty prices even were reduced. The Transport Board applause. He began by obeerving, that it was amp Sir JOHN NrWPORT said, this Bill was one of , correct. But although it was slower in its effects, wanted' three vessels, and there were twelve offered ; nearly twenty years since he fi rst gad the how* 4 the measures by which this country was proceeding it would be not less certain. The progress of the evil . addressing the Livery of London, on ME Mao and they could have as many as they wanted at 21s. -lis object in wishing the Paper to be printed, was to to its ruin. In consequence of its now being extended effect; arising from the excessive issue of our Bank , similar to n the present. for the purposed stdmisiee explein, whether the demana for shipping bad been to Ireland, it would produce the greatest inconveni - I paper would be slower, but they must come upon ' certain propositions oo the public grievance - s - Q ence and injustice there, because it would overturn us at last. The Bank was now doing nothing more on the increase, or was in a state of prosperity. And then existed, and proposing an Address to the llion The same grounds or public coo be wished the House to understand from this, what the contracts that were made between landlords and than issuing Government paper, aye, and a forced for their removal. tenants in Ireland. Before it was extended to Ire-land compulsory paper too. With regard to the Bank was going on in the Board of Trade, when they thus plaint still existed ; nay, every timethey had metro found .that the principal Member (alluding to Mr , land the How ought to have waited until the gene- lof Ireland, atehe time that the Uank of England had gather since, their grievances seemed to increaser. people in lreland ral bulk of the • presented Pensions its cash payments suspended, it was never more able . occ . sione fur petition and ienionwance had oe. Rose appeared to be so ignorant of the state of the -nsleeve A t 'favour of it. or willing to pay in cash ; and when the order from shipping of the country. illear, from Mr. Rose.)- curried ; but never were they so multiplied and sr. This reduction had not been con fi ned to the Trans- Mr. DAVIS GIDDY considered this measure this country arrived in !relied, commanding them _ eta as at this commencement of a new era. (10.4 as fraught with the greatest possible danger to the to suspend their cash payments also, he (Mr. e b xjtressiogu of otorol At a time like the present k port Service ; it was felt in every branch. The West India fleet, and the ships engaged in the Quebec state, because there was no check upon those who Ponsonby) knew that not h in g had ever so much sue- was hardly possible or those who felt strongly as they had the power of issuing paper. At the same time : prised them. He should only trouble the House by trade, were in the same situation. The ;lice of ship-did, to suppress their feelings ; but be hind they he conceived it to be so necessary under the present relating one circumstance, in which he bore a ping in any one branch, affected all the rest. Thepart, ; would allow every man to deliver his SebtIMPRIS circumstances of our circulation, that he could not an dl if he was obliged to mention himself, he hoped rates were at present perfectly ruinous. Vessels which • without interruption. No injury could arise front oppose it. I the. House would pardon him, as he was not ctin a few years ago cost twelve thousand guineas, Were giving our adversaries fair play, and heeling what. Mr. HENRY THORNTON considered the Bill , scious of being much addicted to egotism. The day now selling for six or seven thousand. It was of the ever th ey had to offer. This was only an act of jos. of last* year as being very much altered, on account . before he last sailed from Dublin, for England, he highest importance, that on a point of such import- rice to ourselves, and would scrip them of every pre. of including Ireland ; because in many cases, land- I went into one of those shops, which are well known tenet for skulking into holes and comers, hens ante the House should not be mis i nformed. (Hear, from Mr. Rose.) lords who had stipulated to receive IEI2O in paper 'ia that city for the purchase and sale of guineas. A • ! whence to issue their manifestoes, under the old pre. for every £lOO in gold, would now only rece i ve woman from the country came in, and laid down on text that they could not have a public bearing.- Mr. ROSE, with some degree of warmth, said he had been charged with having stated on the 3d of £lOO. He wished to sec some standard of authority the counter 11 guineas, asking the man of the shop Laitghter and l e e, intermixed with him.). Amid* according to which the people should know how to : what premium he would give for them ?To that he t he 1 mustitude of subjects that pressed upon his at. March, thst there was not that distress in the ship- make their baga i ns. N o b o d y cou ld now say to w h at ' answered, 54,6 d. each ; and she agreeing, was paid ping interest which had been represented. The Ho. tention in the unprecedented situation of th e tenant, extent the depreciation existed ;-and this wasßank of Ireland Tokens. When she went out, nourable Gentleman who made that charge against he felt great difficulty in sekcting the particular ' him endeavoured on all occasions to lower the state of source of endless inconvenience and evil. He was 1, another Gentleman who was in the shop turned vanes of which they had mast to complete 'lets • that to go on in ais manner by adding I to Mr. Ponsonby, and said, 66 if that w 'man had • the country, for the purpose of holding up Americagrounds of complaint were, however, so char sad law to law, without li m itin g the issue of paper, was I known bow to make her bargain, she would have got in an advantageous point of view. -(Hear, from Me manifest-they came home so strongly to de a most reinous course ; and he should propose some I 6s. premium on each of her guineas, for I saw them Opposition .ridgy.)- What ves the fact ?He had said I , understanding, and the feelings-'to the bulls amendment in the Committee to obviete the most ', bought here this morning at that rate." He (Mr. , that from 1807 to that tune the rate of shipping had and the bosoms of every man, that there was • glaring of the-objections which liesaw in this Bill. ; Ponsonby) then asked the man to give him Bank of I :seen fr nn 19s. to J. `Now it appeared from the ! occasion for any display of eloquence to set thus Lord CASTLEREAGH was ready to admit that England notes for Bank of Ireland, and desired to paper produced that it had risen to '2ss. This he ha d there or to aggravate Heir nature and extent. Th i s there had been a difficulty with respect to Ireland, ; know what the exchange was ? He was told about e was still the less necessary, as the Resolutions whet stated not as a proof of the prosperous state of tn which induced Parliament last year not to include ' par, and received Bank of England notes at the very , shipping of this cc untry ;belt that it could not be inhe should have the honour to propose, and the Peti• that country in the Act then passed. But this diffi- ; trifling premium of a penny or three halfpence.-ition with the state of distress which was repiesented,..ehen it which they were accompanied, staled ut cult) , s greatly over-rated by the Hon. Gentleman. ' From this he would have the Right Hon. Gentleman I had risen sor 6s. per ton. The Honourable Gentle- fully the topics of complaint, which were wane There were very few such contracts between land- (the Chancellor of the Exchequer) to be convinced, man had said it was now 21s. per ton. He (Mr. , roux and multifarious, that were he only to NA lords and tenants as were stated ; and for several that in Dublio they are as well aware of the depreci- Rose) had found on inquiry, that on the 12th of ; upon all the di ffi culties of our situation, he did A years past all bargains had been made - for p a y ments', ration of our paper currency, as compared to gold, , March the rate had fallen to 21s. But even now it know what physical strewth would enable hill ise s The contracts for payments in cash exist- and that they understood it as well as they do the , h h k It t more doh alog would be found 2or 3s. more than it was in 1807. It in notes. . tnroug t e tas . was now no ed only between landlords and tenants. It often price of meat in the markets. He for these reasons had risen from I 9s. the rate in 1797, to 255. when he since the Livery of London publicly expressed disk happened that when landlords received their rents in should give his decided negative to the second read-npoke on the subject. It bappeped that in the begin- •sense of the magnitude of the abuses which devenek guineas, they sold these guineas, and thus gained an ing of the Bill, and indeed he should oppose it in all . rung of this month the Board of Transports having the country, and their opinion of the u nconstitateml I advantage infinitely greater than the stipulated rents. i its stages, as thinking it most pernicious to the real previously advertised for a great number of ships, restrictions at that time imposed upon the Prince go Now there was hardly a possibility of procuring gui- I and permanent interests of the ceuntiy. ' had been enabled to cake up a few at 2 1 s. He had i ' gent. They declared their convictions that . eeetY PIF I news, and therefore if a completely equitable arrange- I Mr. MAR RYATT looked in vain for the advan nothing to do with the Transport Board. The Ho. son so restricted must be under the dominioa of the ment for all parties could not be made, it was fit ' sage of the Bill. What was the Bill to do in the d nesurable Gentleman (Mr.l3aring)hed thought properection that had so long governed us to oar hel that the Legislature should act on the principle best' estimation of the Metropolis? Why, to make bank. EA . ht to wish the House and Country might see from this pp wes.)-But though we saw our diorama calculated to remove the greatest possible portion of' notes a legal tender, with the addition of the expences 1 the ignorance of the Board of Trade. He repeatedcumulate around us at that time, we were dem* , inconvenience. The Parliament should not reco g -1 of a law-suit by way cf bonus. That the principle that the Board of Trade had nothing es hatever to doned to smother our grievance till we saw she RV° nise the principle of premiums being given for g uineas , ' was pernicious, he had only to look to the effects of With the Trans port Service. But when he made the unincumbered and tree from the fetters of hlia'segsf because if adopted in one part of Ireland, it must ex- the last Bill. The g' ld trade had been thrown into statement he was perfectly .correct. The Return and we looked forward with expectation to a as! tend to t h e other parts ; therefore he must support the hands of Jews and smugglers, and gold had since • which he had was up to the 2d of March, and hesystem of Government, to a reformatioo of ate the present Bill. I entirely disappeared- (Hear.) The price of dollars thew spoke on the 3d. Even at present he would say that Mr. W. SMITH should not trouble the House at ; had been raised, but even after that proceeding they and to some security against their return foe had he believed the shipping of the count' y could be in sure. He need not tell them hew miserably they present, had he any hope that the objectionable parts had become so scarce, elat unless the price was raised no very reduced eta molten when it was 2s. per ton higher of this Bill would be amended in the Committee; to six shillings, their faces would very soon disappear. sat 10 • 1 " 1 than in Itso7. been disappointed. The same corrupt Initem_ e l ' i . but viewing the measure in the light he did, he could : But the most rational mode to proceed would be, to pursued in all its parts ; and he seed effect* sis Mr. STAN! FORTH observed, that there were .1. . them of those distresses which were its not but consider it a system going to the inevitable ' suffer two prices-that of specie and that of paper. many valuable ships brought to market lately, and which were obvious in all parts of the coestry. 7 0 . . i ruin of the finances of the country. On the former ' i It was to the praise of England, that in times of the sold for one-third, and not unfrequently for one-halt . 1 same contempt of the rights of the PeoPles r e; en , Bill they were told, that if thht was not effective, a greatest difficulty she had been enabled to make the less than their original price. What the ship ownerssame system of malversaoon iu offices Wege am . II ; • second, or perhaps a third measure would be resorted most astonishing exertions by means of a fictitious cur- nife _ complained of was, that they did not receive all that st, Had we not seen the grossest paellklals I to. They had now come to the second, and if they rency. He admitted that fact-he acknowledged assistance from Government which might be got. were to go on increasing the national debt, and the that the paper credit had - been of the highest advan. cape justice, while the greetest penmen's* wt . ! The transporting of all sorts of military stores to thecised against the Press? Nay, were we not lon Bank increasing its issues, they must soon arrive at ' Ca g e this country, and he trusted that it would still army in Portugal had for the last two years been al-e newspapers both of to-day and yesteeduk i.l _ the third stage, and then what was the consequence ? Cocoetinue to be beneficial to her. He objected to the most altogether carried on by neutrals. some of these convicted peculators were nos 141 117". They must at last revert to first principles, and ulti- measures resorted to for the purpose of supporting Mr. ROSE stated that the Board of Trade had mute ly remove t h e restr i ct i ons on payments in specie; that credit, deeming it a pernicious interference. tinned in a state of affluence, but were crew soll, 041 , 6 wrung 1 1101 Us nothing to do with this. But he would assure the receipt ef penalty. that were but before that period arrived they would be perhaps : Strangers were then ordered to withdraw, when a e , hart Notate that he had written to the Victualling, Trans- say lit:sl inlltlitTy of the people?-(Cries o f involved in inexplicable difficulties. Could they have division took place. The numbers were-For the port and Admiralty Boards, for the purpese of having He would only ask of any men, viheeher any se e the same confidence in the Bank Directors SO or 40 second reading 61-Against it 16-Mejority 45. ' all stores transported in British ships ; and the Board what hence, that they had in the present Directors,' 'After some observations from Mr. W. Seri if, the g rievance bad been redrenod ; whether el lse , . 1 7, of pride had always acted on the principle that Li. I not been a constant opposition to the Mama gm es what guarantee had the country for the Payment of , CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUIII4 and Mr. Seueve. the, l ol4s tenets were nevereto be given to foreign ships when ! smallest abase ? When two Ministers of Bank - no t es ? Would the Government guarantee the THORNTON, the Bill was read a second time, and or (Mr. Perceval and Lord Cesderugh) wets Pon British ships could be employed. . fir mo p 1 payment ? If not, he conidered it the grossest viola- ' dered to be committed cne Friday, the 10th April. Mr. BARING wished to call to the recollection ofMols. lion upon the country ; and he should say, in the ' MISCELLANIES. the Right Hon. Gent. (Mr. Rose) that the %asseetion i with the unconstitutional act of bartering words of Shakespeare- Mr. PONSONBY then moved for an account of the Number '' to which he alluded was not made on the Sd but on defended, on its notoriety ; and the unie OBI: Parliament, nothing was done ; nay the Mg " Things ill begun make strong themselves by ill-" of Persons prosecuted for Forgeries on private Banks, or of the the 23d of this month, when he stated that his returns * Mr. DAV lES GIDDY and Mr. H. SMITH se- Perm' . . le same,knowin g ithi n in power . still, ao l d he su im ppo po rted sitiou b s y ca dh o lgr eas 7 r ie s utterin the them to be forged, w were made up to that hour. He believed; however, Great Britain, since the suspension of cash payments to tie Ist of national taxes. verally explained. January, 1812, and Ow like account for 14 years preceding such the Right Hon. Gentleman would hardly now main- It were severe in Mr. Secretary POLE thought it would be an act suspension.-Agreod to. ' r our heeds ; tain the prosperous state of our shipping. He had of the greatest injustice towards the people of Ireland, ; Mr. BANKES bray& in his Bill for abolishing te the Income Tax was suspended over or jest told the House it was no business of his to know to grant the benctit of this measure to Great Britain, aces, &c.-Read a first time, and ordered to be read Sinec a ure O second we were called before tribunals at their o . P= the rates paid by the Transport Board ; but surely an d refuse it to Ireland. , time on the 17th of April, a nd to be printed.our private affairs. the extreme ; the 41141 14. 1 0 to give an account of , = d ig when the Right Hon. Gentleman thought proper to Mr. GILES, in opposing the Bill, observed, that I A New Writ was ordered to be issued for Louth, in the room this, we had the mortification to see tan mar . - --- i of Lord Jocelyn, who had accepted the office of 1 minaret of his make a statement in that House, it was at least worth Mr. Burke once said that Bank-notes were all power- Majesty's Household. I from the hard hands of honest in dwel l his while to be correct in it, more particularly if he ful ten the Exchange, because they were of no value I broug h t sp. extravagance, and wasted in the inn The Report iv the Committee of Supply was then , . . . a nether fro m „mail reflected on the vehement manner in which he was in Westminster-Hall ; but the present Government ' n te putti ng atib . iti the question, . tbak the 1 - 1411 M do agree to the Mel- an which we had sew it. n le 1 .' at if ' aecustoined to contradict others - (Hear,)--eWithwhich the country laboured ems the state 00 • acted on the contrary principles, for by this measure m. w. Y SIVIITH rose for the purpose of expressing his appro respect to the illiberal insinuations thrown out by the his Ri. IA go 4. amid (the Chancellor of the Es- !Haim of what hail recently between, In soup his segmital Tcdcy. Vs bad 'ill* iwitcsm ed e s t er it. . La that wee awn tad not berate taw adapted. He elyst4 tin England would =arise the Softener whirls h might hare iu dim islaud to procure an ametior•tioa of the conditiou of the peopl e . Mr. HUME made souse observations, die: ern* t h e Lewis. don was agreed to. The remaining Resolution of the Committee of Sup* we , then road, and agreed to without any further &waw a " The House then adjourned so the :a of April. P.eIRI,I4MENTART PROCEEDINGS. MELTING OF THZ LIFER?* OF LOWDON. kitied we ire *Pm I Ward them I rent d' theY" d oo to iCoati ewe lie bel torn a at ixe rluch as foil Fail 4 0142 ebb b bpi 0 1 PM Ilq". apitall MA il 2 I 71 lied ii 0 at Cr iillioo the ou woo* 1 bra Aral, seno 0 0 r7 —T then only geld nrhe4 was a al fir I and slits Re' irerl oft Pi Pu t I:01 OM just Ttil , il J I ' 1 1 1