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IMPERLiL PARLIAMENT. HOUSE OF LORDS. FEBRUARY 20. • Mr. Silinteeu. presented tbeWis Report of the Commissioners qpeinted to inquire into the payments of certain fees made at the; General Register House in Edinburgh. The Earl of DALHOUSIE presented a Petition from the Ma: Ostrom Freehmders. mid other Inhabitants of Inverness, praying-, fOr an alteration in the Excise Laws; also another Petition from the same individuals, praying foe a* alteration in the laws relative to Scotch Entails.—Ordered to lie on the table. assocuidons IFOOPRISSION MILL. On the motion of the Earl of Suerresseav the House resolved Iteelf into a Committee on the Bill for suppressing illegalAsnacia. dons in Ireland. The LORD CHANCELLOR innved, as an amendasent to the chew," That this Bill do apply to all such meetings as have been declared illegal," the insertion of the words, and shall have been." • - - The Report was then brought up, and ordered to be received OD Monday —The House then resumed. The Marquis of SLIGO presented Petitions, praying for Ca tholic Emancipation, from four parishes in the county of Mayo.— Orders d to lie on the table. Lord KING presented a Pettlien from the Roman Catholic , inhabitants of two parishes in the county of Kerry, praying for a repeal of the Vestry and Sub-letting Acts. The Earl of SHAFTESBURY moved that, In consequence of papers relative to the return of Lord Doially not having yet ardved from Ireland, the Committee of Privilege., which stood for Monday, be postponed until Wednesday.—Ordered. cirneom scums. . The Earl of. FALMOUTH presented Petitions from three parishes in Cornwall, from a parish in Buckinghamshire, and from 14agford, in the county of Limerick. praying that no further Concessions be granted to the Roman Catholics. The last petition rayed for the Suppression of the Catholic Association, and for a Revision of the Elective Prandial System in Ireland.—Ordered toile on the table. . The Earl of CARLISLE presented a Petition from two parishes in the county of Galway. praying for Catholic Emancipation. The Marquis of DOW NSIIIRE said, he had a Petition to present in favour of tbe.Catbolie Claims, which was forwardedito him from Ireland by a Gentleman who stated himself to be 'an Alderman of the city of Limerick. The Petitioner, with whom he (the Marquis of Downahire) professed to be perfectly unac quainted, strongly asserted that, up to the present period, he was a violent opposer of the Catholic Claims, and had been an official member of a Brunswick Club ; but expressed his contrition for the part he had acted, and now declared himself a perfect convert to the contemplated n foe their relief. He thought the petition contained matter worthy of being .beard, and therefore begged pet mission of' the House to have it reed at length. The Petitioner stated himself to be Alderman Watson, and concluded by declaring his oppasition to the Catholic Claims to have arisen more for the purpose of pleasing his Majesty's Government titan with a view to intimidate or keep down the Roman Catholics. The Earl of LI MERICK said he had been long connected with the city of Limerick, and, from his knowledge of the Gentleman whose signature the petition bore, if in reality the petition was a true one, be could not sufficiently express his astonishment at its contents; for. if there were a man more than another hostile to the Catholic Claims, he should expect the worthy Alderman, if he be the man. The whole tenour of the petition appeared to him ex treme!y marvellous. He Could not avoid expressing his strong suspicions that it was altogether a hoax, and bad never been for warded by the Gentleman whose name it bore—( A laugh). Lord KING observed, that, whatever reasons the Noble Earl bad for thinking the petition to be a hoax, he thought he could give him one good reason for its not being such; for, if so, he thought it would have been placed in the hands of one of the late converts, and not givetrto a Noble Lord who had so long argued the cause of civil and religious liberty. In that case the hoax would really have been a good one. The Earl of LIMERICK hoped the Noble Lord did not mean to apply his epithet of convert to him. Lord KlNG—Never; be was toe well acquainted with the Noble Earl's principles. The Marquis of DOWNSH IRE expressed himself totally un acquainted with the petitioner ; therefore, if the petition were really a hoax, be should wash his hands of it. One thing be felt con fident in saying, that the greatest portion of the community were fully satisfied to leave entirely in the hands of his Majesty's Mi. niaters the subject of Catholic Emancipation, convinced as he (the Noble Marquis) was that they would do justice t.) the great cause they b d espoused. • The petition was ordered to lie on the table. The Marquis of DO WNSHI RE, in presenting another Petition from a parish in the county of Down, praying for Catholic Email-, elpation, observed that be had bad frequent occasion to present similar petitions from the same place. The petitioners in the pre. • sent one expressed their delight at the change of appearances under which they now addressed the House. Similar Petitions were presented by the. same Noble Marquis from a parish in the smutty of Antrim, and from Dismally and AgobW.—Laid on the table. • Lord HOLLAND said he rose to present three Petitions from Roman Catholics of • Ireland, and sixteen other Petitions, all of which prayed that their Lordships woold take into consideration the laws affecting the Roman Catholics of the United Kingdom, with a view to the removal of all civil and religious disabilities whatever. Three of these Witless be. had stated to be from ca. twins; the others were from Protestant Dissenters • and, as they ail concurred in the one prayer, be would not trouble their Lord- ships with going through them. But there was one to which be thought it more particularly his duty to call their Lordships atten tion, as well on account of the character as the high station of thepersons whose names-were subscribed to it. The brat pets. tire, then, that he should present mine from a body of men wed known in this country—it-was front the Dissenting Mioisters of the three denominations in and adjoining the metropolis. It was true those men were invested with no authority at the bar—it was hue that they possessed no corporate seal—that they bad no corporate ezistencein the country—it was true that they.enjoyed no emolument under his illajeety's Government—it was true that• they possessed no authority in the realm...they bad no claims to any authority except those which their earnest seal and pious lives bad given-them amongst their several congrega dons t but although they bad no other emoluments than those which resulted front the exercise of their many virtues, yet they bad long been recognised in the country as the descendants and representatives of those great men who negodated the memorable Act of Toleration. and who, from the first period of their history, had ever felt the warmest attachment to civil and religious body, and dutiful sfkction to the family on the throne. Without the slightest intention of drawing any comparison, he might be permitted to say, that there was no class of individuals in the causer y to whom the Royal Family were so deeply indebted for their Crown as the Protestant Dissenters; and it afforded him pleasure to say that the King upon the Throne had always condo. wooded to receive that body of men whose Petition be had now the honour to present to the House. The Dissenters amohntedto three millions and a half, exclusive of the Wesleyan Methodists. The opinion of those Diameters widely differed from the erroneous character of the Church of Rome, but they .had ever been most keen and active in detectin g all approaches to the in. , fringement of civil and religious liberty, and were even most zeal ous tor the exclusion of tyranny, and the first to oppose it. When they called therefore en Government to extend civil and religious liberty to all classes, and especially to their R.Sman Catholic id. low subject*, there was no authority that would weigh more with him (Lord Holland) than the authority of that body, the nuniber of Ministers connected with which were ninety-two, sixty-three of whom had signed the Petition; and it was welt known that, at the Meeting ceernmed on the occasion, the Peddon was voted by a majority of no less than three tome. He thought it* duty to make these remarks, and be biped their Lordships would re ceive with some degree of attention the Petition of men who were the successors of a Watts; a Doddridge, and a Lardner. The Noble Lord cendudtti by requesting that the Petition might be. reed at length. After which lard HOLLAND rose asin. and said, that the next Petition be would present to the Howe was from a Corpora don of which he bad theltonour of being a- member; it was from the Corporation of Nottingham. He should make only a tray few observations upon it. , : Many Noble Lords must have known that that Corporation bad been ever most forward in the cause of civil and religious liberty; that Corporation was the first to address Prince William m his arrival in He thought it his duty to say, although be did not see, a Noble Duke whom - be wil,Ungly would have seen in his place., that the novo frumwhicisahq Petition come was ne which fur three successive Parliaments sent Itepro. 'connives to the noose of Commons who were not only in favour of Catholic Emancipation, but were ever the most strenuous sup porters of in—The Petition was then read. Member Petitions were Irons she Congregation of a Upitarian Chapelin Northampton; from Paraflbse.street Chapel, in Lien.. pool; from two places in Lancashire; from Crediton, in Devon. shire; three Chapels in Northampton; Warehanl. in Dorset; two Polishes is Nottingham, soda Palmitin Sulkillt;aod another Parish la Chester. The threellontan Catholic Petitions were than read.and laid on the table. They were front Miele; Tresford; in Kilkenny; and The Earl of 001170 RD pteeented niersl reddest to the issue de et from !redoes Parishes in the county of .A,lasti, which were htht es the table.uortie Hi.ieilea adjoined. • HOUSE OF COMMONS. lIIIMILIMMTION Or .41110 AD Mr. ESTCOUB,T having *tied N Thee a new writ be Wood ' for the election of L. Member f repreaeot ths tiolversirr of Os- , 61rd, in -the-Pace stf the Right Honounible Robert Peel. who Ma i ,accepted the Stereseiship if. the Citilteni.Hundreds; * • 1 GeiteraI:GASCOIME to ,k asswelintv, to espress bil l 'apprabation of the conduct of the Right Honour able :Secretary the Home Department, who, having thought fit to depart town those principles which he professed to his constituents' st the time t t his election, sow manfully came forward to afford them as oppor ' tun:ty of confirming their approbation of his present conduct, or of retracting their suppod. What the re stilt of that appeal to the op.nions of his constituents by the Right Honourable Gentleman might be,.he (Gen. Gaut yne) could not :pretend to say, but. he was glad that the opportunity bad been r ffered ; and he tliought it allbrded a laudable example to atl those who saw things in what he might call the new light—(Hear). He trusted, indeed, that all those who came* into that House with the profession of the same principles as those of the Right Honourable Gentleman at the time of his election, and were now stricken by the new. light, would come to the conviction that it was equally twee. say for them to follow his example, and make the same appeal to the opinions of their constituents. He. wins well aware that what fell from an humble individdal such as he was could make vety little impression upon such occasions; but he was very much inclined to think that the day of retribut:on was not far distant—not by any means so di.tant as some persons seemed to ima gine-_a day of retribution for political apostacy, in which they will be visited with the disapprobation, if not with the anger, of their constituents. How, indeed, these persons could reconcile it to their feelings to re. tain their seats lie was unable to imagine. Polifcai measures, he hoped, newer would inartere with the ex.; ercise of the social feelings; and he was confident that, if they persisted in refusing to follow the example of the Right Honourable Gentleman, they would be as much lessened in public and political estimation as they must feel lessened in their own. The Honourable Memu bee concluded by expressing a hope that those persons would follow the example of the Right Hon. Gentleman. Mr. HOIIHOUSE approved as well and as highly as others of the conduct of that Right Hon. Gentle man, Mho had thus given his constituents an opportsr nity of re considering the propriety of his. Parliamen tary conduct. &nee he had - the honour of a seat in that House, which was now a period of nearly ten years, he had always thought that it was impossible for the ties which bound together the constituent and the representative to be knit too closely, and he had therefore been a constant advocate of Parliamentary Reform, as founded and bottomed upon that very pt iu ciple. He bad now strong hopes that the Gallant Ge neral, who contended so strenuously for the tights et the people, and the propriety of consulting their judg ment.: would be found am ing his most strenuous•sup• pore's whenever that measure of reform was agaisr brought forward; and, indeed, from his arguments.in (avow of Coostitutiitial rights, he had alniost.a title'to, ask for his vote. He did not very clearly understand. the meaning of the expressions which do pped from thii Gallant 'General upon the subject of political apostacy, He was 'confident, however, that the conduct of the Right Honourable Gentleman, and of those with him who had changed their opinions, did not de serve such an appellation. The Right Honourable Gentleman, when he addressed the House on a recent occasion, expressed a hope that he should be allowed to apply to himself the words of an ancient author— Non Inman entm rumores ante stamens. As that Right HonourabieGentleman was now present, be•would take leave to apply to him the succeeding line, Ergo postque. magiaque yid mane Gloria claret(Hear). • General GASCOYNE did not recollect brain used the words. political apostacy; but if he did, it was not his intention to apply them to the Right Hon. Gentleman (Mr. Pet)). -- WOOD brought In a Bill the bitter *regulation Alderman . _ for t« of Smithfield Marketo—Roid a Ali dine. and ordered to be Printed. Mr. HOBHOUSE presented a Petition from the inhabitants of St. James, Westminster, in (avow of the Bill for regulating the appointments of the Vestry.—Referred to a Committee. Mr. lIOBHOUSE presented a Petition, signed b three hun dred of the resident householders of the parish of Sc. Paul, Covent Garden, in favour of the Bill fur altering the powers placed in the Veitry.—Referred to a Committee.. lie. G. MOORE press-wed six similar Petitions from different parts of Ireland—one from the county of Carlow three from the et Tipperary, and no from Xing Mouldy. The llososkratite and Learned !Amber described them as - Wog signed by manya' tbeNoWSty; Illagiuracy,:Chergy. end kuspeetable Teltabitedlik the pad. from whence tblrycone...beledeged to be Rids& Chimed CUST presented Petillna at's dmilat khariceer iM lakapitants of the Parielfisf lllMllsory, county orChased', • Lord PALMERSTON, In prearnii* two Petitions from the Parishes of Drumcbffe and Newton St. John's, county of Slip. in haunt of the .Citholic Qahns, said that the Petitioners were well known to be peaceable and swell conducted, and fie was stirs that no Petitions were more deluding of attentioo.—Ordered be tie on the table. - • • blr. W. PEEL brought up the First Repast of the Commis sioner. appointed to oilman tato the Practice and Proceedings of the Courts of Law. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER moved that the House, at its rising, do adjourn to Monday nest.--Agreed IS. SUPPLY—ARMY ESTIM A TES. ' The CHANCELLOR of thy EXCHEQUER moved the Or. der of the Day, that the House de resolve itself into a Committee of Supply, and that the Army . Estimates be *ferns' to said Coma mister. ' On the motion that the Speaker do leave the Chair, Mr.MABERLY said, that although he could not at present expect the House t t give much of its attention to this or any other but one subject, yet the sense of an imperious duty compelled him to offer some observa tions upon some part of the conduct of Government, which he thought would have a most injuri It. effect Upon the public purse of the country. It had been stated, or it was easy to be inferred horn what had been said, that the Finance Committee, which sat with so much advantage to the country last year, was not to be te-appointed, or, at all events, it was not to be appointed until a period of the Session at which its labours could have no effect upon the estimates of the year. When they considered the language in which the finances pi the country were recommended to their deep attention la his Majesty's Speech of 1828, and when they coo. sidered that the appointmeotwf the Finance Committee at that time was held to be of such impostanee as to cause the postponement of all financial questions for the time, be thought the House would agree with bins is thinking it strange that the investigations of thit Committee were to be cut short before they could have :produced their expected beneficial results. Five Com. mimes of this description had been appointed before at different periods, and in all the cases they they bad been . iseffered to proeeed to their final Report. From the Re ports which this last Finance Committee did make. it 'was easy to collect that they had an inteution e# laying •before the House a summary of the revenue and ex. ipenditure of the country for the present year, as the ground-vrotk upon which they should proceed to. v ,Ose Estimates. On that account they had, postpo making a Report upon a great mass of evidence which. ithey had collected upon some of the heads of expencli- 1 :tore, but into which they had not so fully inquired 'as :they intended to do. When the Right Hon. Gent. fint 'proposed the Committee, he sltoati most forcibly and ',ably the necessity which existed for its appointment, land he thought the-Government were now bouud . to show in what manner that necessitrhad been yenscived: 'The Hon. Member then- tektite& se Mr. Peel's speech 'upon moving the appointment of the Committee, Md. •proceeded to eulosixe its serviced and exertiooh and the inf,rmation supplied by Mr. Herties and SW It Liar; tdinge. Lis was aware of no change in the circuns• stances of the country which rendered its finances no (longer a-matter worthy of care. If the appointmenCof .the Committee was ri4ht in 1828, in justice to his bias jesty's Speech, in justice to the declarations of the Go vernment, and to the proceedings of that House, it :ought to be re-appointed. The Hon.-Member then re :capitulated what the Committee had done, and pointed out other objects which they bad in view withrespect to :the numbers and expenditure of the Army and Navy. if the present course were pursued, the country could !sot expect much' produce from taxation. The Cps. suttee of Finance had been given up; the whole of the' information it bad collected was to be thrown away, and against that he protested. Government, as condi- toted, — would never Carry into effect say serious recipe. tions. Every bead of every department had its pude. cular business to attend to, and therefore no systemic, reduction, perfect and effectual, could be expected to be entered into. He admitted, hooever, that the Seat: tary.at War had acted efficiently.. He contended that the Navy Pay Office bad in pay forty civics, •beanie. • ' • The _ . . . . . • . • ROMAN CATHOLICS. could discharge the duties. Th. same remark applied Mr. It. A. TAYLOR presented a Petition from-the Protestant in a degree to many or most of the Public Offices. Be. Dissenters of South Shields in favour of the Catholic Claims. sides this, nothing had been done with the Public As. , Sir JOHN COTTERRLL presented a Petition from the Arch. which t ießightHonourable counts, res pecting I deacon and Clergy of Hereford, and from the Dean and Chapter bt the Cathedral Church of Hereford, against all concession to the tary for the Home Depai tment had 'on a previousocca. Caine& Claims: • sion said much. He therefore was extremely sorry to Mr. V. STUART presented Petitions in f of those Claims hear that the Committee of Finance was not likely to front BaUydut, and 14 other places in the county of Waterford. be actively employed. Mr. C. N. PALLMER • presented a Petition from the Clergy and Inhabitants of Albury, in Surrey. From the great respects- ..Sir H. PARNELL said, that the Committee of Fi. bility of the individuak from whom it came, but still more from nonce, in pursuance with their duties, would have, as' the peculiar energy of the appeal which it contained, be implored speedily as possible prepared leftist, respecting the fie itinoro than ordinary attention on the part of the House. He n avy. theta. then army, but time had not .been allowed the. then read over the petition, which prayed that no further canes. steel he granted to the Roman Catholics. In the many COnVena. He bore testimony to the great exertions made by the tigers which had lately taken place in that House upon this Monufr members of the Committee, notwithstanding the ro• tees question, he had hitherto taken only a silent part, and he. mat ks which had been oikde respecting their premised &said content himself for the present to do so, aware of the sit& delay. The Committee had •• gone through almost fill tufty and inconvenience which attended irregular discussions on examinations necessary, and • were not the Com great questions; but principally, he would cr,nfess, front a much I lse higher consideration. He meld not bat feel It decorous as well as mittee laid aside, it would soon be prepared to make fast to his opinions until the measure promised from the an e ffi c i ent , a nd h e b e li eve d a use f u l R eport, upon t h e had been submitted to the House. He would not conceal, navy especially. He manna however, that from what had passed in that and another place, be hied that a Committee, waited for their communicatioo with an intense anxiety. He had constituted as that Committee was, was the very best some very painful misgivings upon the subject. Enou g h had already means th.t could be taken for arriving at a real know. occurred, unhappily, to shake his confidence in public men :but be ledge of the financial affairs of the country. It was was not yet prepared to mistrust his Sovereign. Ile would not yet utterly impossible for any Ministry to do what that balkye that a Monarch, whose family owed their title to the crown Committee adobe have done, With respect to the Co .-- of these countries, to the protection the Constitution had 'thrown drsor a Protestant Church,. could be advised to come to his people lonia' 'mem, on that point particularly the Committee with a Speech in the words of his Coronation Oath, and with the might - have tendered' many eminent services. That degkeefor lbe•romeeel4 lie " anti " defence of that Church , and consideration alone ought to induce the revival of the the vital principles of the Constitution — The petition wan ordered to be pri rated, Committee. By the inquiries of the Committee net Init JOHN BRYDORS presented a Petition from the parish only might thecost Incurred through the Colonies be sal/gdfroat county of Middlesex , against the Catholic Claims. The greatly r e duced, b u t th e C o l on i es Mi g ht at the sane till* Hen. Me mber said it was needless for him to make any deciart be benefited. The Committee had also. made sense inn den et his epialongos they were already well knows, ._ ._ portant inquiries respecting•the money paid to prevent Alderman ATE Nil presented a Petition praying for a Hill to regulate &. Thrintaea Hoepltel; . . and detect smuggling. The Committee bad actuißT , Mr. ASHUItST presented s Petition from the . Mayor, BSSdiscovered that no less than 700,0001. bad been ea• man Ca and Commenalty of Oxford, against further eatcsisioits to thit,ilo. pen d e d to prevent t h at ne f ar i ous practice. Lad ha tholics. Mr. DUNCOMBR presented two similar Petitions f rom the was pr epared to say, that plan might be devised a parish of Giimatbarpa.-41,d stiotber parish in Yorkshire . ' 1 • to•prosont smuggling without any great diminution Lord EDWARD SOMERSET presented - three 'elmil:r Pal- of the • revenue. Tobacco and brandy wee. the ciao from the Deaneries of Stowe and Caoder, and the rural principal articles smuggled. On the former *beat Deanery of Godatowe t in the county of O)oucester,—Ordered t o 3,000,Ut.5.' :wore collected, end upon the latter about Ile on the table. . • Lord EDWARD SOMERSRT presented a Petition froni the t 11500,0001. As to the Public' Accounts, that was a habfunti and householders of Cheltenham against ttielsoese and 'subject upon which the Committee could have arrived, nur. an excellent at a regular him without much difficulty, They bad tallies ... sv.tivlSit felt great pleasure hi 'eeioedini this Petition. — precedent to go upon.; be .would not say Ordered the table. ' Mr. P. WEST' . ', ced i Petition from Ike Inhabitants of the the best possible, because be bad heard that th e Tha tc h 'Parish of Denbigh. county Elf Denbigh, spiel the.githolie Claims. was better: But what he . was pa, ticalarly anxious to t see was the Fourth Report, followed up by a Rep or t o f Air. DICKII4SON preoented a similar Petition from the lam. :bltants'of the Town of Castlepary. ' • ,• . . the army, in which the whole expenditure of the country Mr. 6. , MANKES presented a similar . Petition from Barton. wpsn-Trent. It came from a part of the country with which h e Was modes He maintained that the industry of the had pokiest icqtraintance ; 'but he could Say, upon vita foundation, count, y was oppressed by the present systearof matron., that the Petitioners were all mils :table bonselsolders of that teem, They tined . the. eery articles upon which Wintry was! and that amen that claw the Marini, were ilellto ei.Ottain't 4" employed to the extent of 8,000,0001. a year. The in. ,Catholica—( Hear). . .. ; _Str t LAMB Preseitted Petition Oom tho' CnthOlkinhahitatiti* dttstrr owl. wealth of the country bad enahled.the Criun iltbir Parishes ot.ctingarvon and Abbeyside, comity or Waterford, try to meet its difficulties; but if they were hampered. jiniing Sir the tensovitorthe don tusitistite: OTibe Roma o Cathode.. bow was the country to'be drawn from its present st.te -Mr. C'AREW . presesitAl i sinitlar Pukka irion tifs'iltoeian pa- i l a ans b aviaasanint l l 'He knew it Arnold. be 'asked, how *sac Inhabitants of a Parish in the county of Wexford. .. CA L c R AFT ?reamed a anon p otion from a c offins . I was the revenues to be made up to what would be lose Vidrarlan Dissenters in the town Miter al V a anipm - raw . materials ' He was act . • ri,ionary ; and lie wily a keJ that a Committee mi t t* i:e formed on the subject ; auJ if such v e c the case, Le had no apprehension as to the resol. G. est reduction m'ght be made with advantage in the present taxatio n . tie had noticed these points in compliance with his diry ; and with imp ct ro the duties of the Finance Coo; mince being discharged by the Ministers, be certai n ly was of opinion that Minims' had already sufficieutto Jo without node, taking more. He had no wish ton t ,. harts,. the measures of Goirernment, and he should be leery willing to adopt Any course which would .suit the I Ministers without injuring the country. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER, feelin g that h: concurred geisetally in the opinions that hid !alien from the Honourable Baronet, begged to b e ' excused it he declined, on that occasion, to enter into such a detail of observation as the discussion of all the topics alluded to by the Honourahle Baronet as was • cul.ied to elicit, particularly under the pressure of ins: portal I matter at present occupying theattintibis of tot Government. The Hon. Member for Abingdon had said that, on the subject of reviving the Finance Con; mince, he (the Chancellor of the Exchequer) had given a distinct refusal to revive the Committee. NoW shot he really said was this, that there was no indisposition on the part of the Government to renew an iovestip. tion into the subjects that had occupied the attention of the Comlbittee last Session ; but, as much time had bees given to the matter last. Session, and as the Government bad under their consideration the adoption of several economical arrangements, end under the present uigency of more important measures, they thought it most expedient to postpone the con sideration of the matter to a later period of the Session, particularly as there existed among the very members of that Committee various.and many opinions as to the best method of renewing their investigations i • signs thinking that they should he carried on by the,Com. mittee, while others were of opinion that they should be conducted on the responsibility of the Government. On that occasion be had said that it was better to wait until the pressure of mere heavy business on the Co: vernment should have passed, away ; after that peri o d they could -consider the mod; of proceeding best fitted to promote the interest of the country. For the pretest it was resolved that the revival of the Finance Com mittee should be postponed, MGM/ME said nothing had been done all last Ses sion to reduce the press' e of taxation. It was said that a report on the labours of the FicanceCommittee would be laid before the House early this Session. Now, no such thing was done. Indeed it was clearly the opinion - of Ministers to let the Session pass without doing any thing-in the way of reduction. He did not wish to op. pose Ministers, or throw any obitacle in their way it present; but be really felt it to be for the good of the country to recommend economy to them. They ought to alter their course of proceeding on considering the estimates. The King's Speech. had recounts/oiled en. nomy. Now, before. Ministers called on the House to vote eight millions, as they were going to do that night, for the army and ordnance, they ought to know what re. ductions they bad made in thy expenditure of thote de partments ; they night to cot down the expenditure to the lowest possible scale. The reductions they bad made in the Army, Navy, and Ordnance were mere trifles. What was the use of an increase of revenue if there was to be no lessening of expenditure and meadow, The increase of two millions to the revenue was a misfor tune rather than otherwise, inasmuch as it induced Mi. nisters to keep up establishmenta at the old extravagant rate. Only think of 90,000 men for the Army, and 30,000 for the Navy, altogether 120,000 men, in . a time of profound peace! He hoped the intended measure of conciliation to the Catholics would ' let 15.000 sol diers free from Ireland. If the discontents of Ireland were healed, 12,000 men would be quite enough' for that part of the country, instead Of the present army cf 45,000. In the year 1792 the whole amount ofthe army for the colonies and.all was only 68,000 men, and that number was justified oa the ground of the then disturbed state of Europe. He hoped that the number of troops in Ireland would be reduced, and the expenses of the colonies diminished. The Government ou g ht to repeal three millions:this year. The House ought to compel Ministers to makett e reductiops required by the neces sities of the PeciPle• The taxes were very unequally im posed; capitalists paid little or none, while the hard working middle classes were obliged to bear the great burthen. The industry of the manotacturers was checked by this taxation. The Finance Committee ought to be revived, otherwise their labours would go for nothing, and the information they had collected would be lost. It it would not be revived the Government would be guilty of a breach of faith with the House and the bigotry. He gave much credit to the Hon. Secretary (pope reforms which he had introduced; but they were O A small. scale, and not sufficient to satisfy the neces sities of the country. -Mr. MABERLY wished to know if the Chancellor of the Exchequer had said that the question of refusing the tenewal of the Ciamittee was postponed ? The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER had said that at the pass - t moment it would inconvenience and embarrass Ministers to enter upon the subject of the Finance Committee. He had said that various susses. tions had been made as to economy, and be *wished - to postpone to the latter part of the Session the considera tion of adopting any of those courses suggested. Mr. BARING would make up his mind as to the appointment of • a Committee, when he had heard the Estimates. He should like to hear a statement' frees the different departments of Government, and which would decide the propriety of re.appoioting the Cam mittee. The original appointment of the Coonskin was the consequence of excessive expenditure, and of I fearful defalcation in the revenue. When Mr. Canning announced his intention of formins a Committee of Finance, in the then ensuing Session, the country was in a very different situation from what had been represented. Instead of having a large sink• ing fund, the revenue of the country did not yield its ordinary expenses. Whatever remedy the Government proposed would bate been strengthened by the Repot of the Committee. The country had saw en overplea of revenue to the extent of three minims end a MK ,which was extremely different from the pews soder which the Committee was first ptomised and at last cep pointed. It was only under the pressure of difficeltist that the subject of expenditure was ever searched ea 'probed. The House would please to recollect thumbed of the Finance Committees bad sat over a mid f several Sessions of Parliament,.and it would be hopeless to expect that the labours of such a body could be effectively concluded within the short pried ..f a fee months. At the same time, if he found the, work of reduction carried on without th e sugg e s tions Or the Finance Committee, he should rest perfectly satisfied. But it should be recollected that hie Majesty's Govern. .meat was at this moment ortupiel with another gnat question—a question of such vital importance to the general it ter eats of this as well as of the sister killifd ol4 mat he was ready to wait, and make all due alleluia ' .or the delay which must unavoidably take place. II uld, of course, be gratit)i•is to the House and the count! 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