Star. — London, England, 1829-02-21 00:00:00

U 111. , Res- Ito Brest I the deter Intlee It d the tountty to find that •he sugge tions of the Finance 'Committee bad beta sited upim its the different public' departments; but it be a serious metier if that V oism i tle e . should, after would having collected such a large 'body of materials, not .be again re-appointed. and 'enabled to conclude .their labours. He was not aware of the fact stated by his Hon. Friend near him, that vAjbo.opoi. or 8,000,0001. a year were imposed in tlo obape of taxation on the industry of the country. It such an evil existed, it was greatly to be deplored; but be knew scaled, of any tax of that description that was not imposed upon the raw material. It was perfectly trite that there must al ways be fluctuations in the amount Of the Revenue, but he differed with his Hon. Friend as to the manner in which the surplus revenue ought to de disposed. of. And when his Honourable Friend Ate Member for Aberdeen talked of reducing our Military establishment by at least twenty thousand Men, he thought ha was at least bound to point but the gunner in which such a reduction emits' be Ufely and effectively made. He ought to explain to the tiou.e where the force kept up was dispropottioned to' 'the nece.sity for its continuance. Judging as well as a +person so ignorant as he. war cool., judge of such mat 'tent, he thought that the existing force was necessary to 'the security and well-bring of the country. It was true that a great measure affecting Ireland was contemplated *by G avernment ; and that measure, when carried into effect, would, he trusted, lead to a reduction of the force at present deemed necessary in that country.— Beyond this be did not go where our military force 'could be reduced. except perhaps by a regiment or two 'of cavalry. But there were other reductions which he understood might, with safety, be made. It was stated by the Finance Committee, that the business of the office Of the Paymaster of the Navy, in which thirty-five or thittyissiz clerks were kept, might be disposed of by six or eight clerks. This certainly was a matter worthy of inquiry by some person or body of persons, whoever they might be. It was not so much a question as to the number of clerks or the amount paid to them, as to the facility and dispatch with which public business could be diiposed of, by simplifying it and rendering it more easily, and, therefore, more quickly disposed of. They bad had more than one instance also of persons em ployed in public confidential situatiins going off with, or embezzling large sums intrusted to them; chi', also, be deemein subject calling for inquiry. Upon the whole, be thought the Ministers would be wanting in the r duty to the_country if they did not propose the twappointroent of the Finance Cernmittse in the course of the present Session. Lord ALTHORP observed, that the Finance Com- mittee received nearly the whole of its information from the Offices of Government; and, indeed, if ft were not (or the ptesence of the membets of Government, the Committee would hardly know what information to ask for. He was of opinion that the examination of the Esti mates ought not to be left to the Finance Committee, as they were last year. The Estimates of the year ought to be introduced by Ministers upon their own responsi b This opinion, however, he was ready to admit, he did not entertain in the early part of last year, but be had since found it sticessrity to adopt it. He would not go over,the grounds touched upon by his Honour able Friend ' but lookiag to the finances and general intern is of the country... he thought it desirable that Ministers should stonce declare whether.it was their intention to rOppoiot the Finance Committee or not? Tfs. evestbro tor going into the Committee was then pat and cured.—The Snow having left the Chair, Sir H. HARDINGE, in presenting, the present esti mates, would tale the opportunity of eiplaining eaib charge which was made in them, in the best and most satisfactory manner in which bowel' able. The total amount was such as related to.the present necessities of the Empire. If the amount was, as the Honourable Member for Aberdeen had supposed, to be calculated in reference to the pacific measures which his Majesty's -Ministers were about to introduce, the Honourable blz saber would be justified in supposing that a consider able reduction might be made; but, at least for the t el t foot. or fire years, those estimates had been made in' proportion to the periodical supplies which were af forded to the garrisons abroad. If it could be found that those garrisons could be reduced, he would iben be prepared to admit that a corresponding reduction might be made. The amount of the troops employed this year was reduced by • twelve hundred men on the - staff and fuse companies of the Royal' African Corps, exclu sive of - fifty men reduced 'from bath regiment, which caused a reduction of one hundred thousand pounds in the Estimates, eighty thousand • of which bad been struck off last year, and twenty thousand this. The ati• vantage of gradtkelly reducing each corps by fifty men was obvious. The reductions made in this way would amount to five thousand men. The next item which occurred was the reduction of the Royal African Corps by foot hundred men, which would strike off an eo chargeof 9,0001. Th erei were also eleven hundred men reduced of the Staff, which would diminish the Esti. stales 5,8001. The diminution by the reduction of 's,ooo men would amount to 128,0001. There was a re duction of 5,800 men in the East Indies, which would . have an indirect effect in reducing the Estimates bere.The total diminution this year on the reduction of the troops' would amount to 73,0001. The regimental allowances were reduced 8,8881. The next charge was for the staff department,'and amounted to 176,136/. which was arreduction of 19,76310.—A considerable proportion of this reduction was owing to the Commander-in Chief. The heat charge was for the public offices, and amount ed to 105'928L which was also a diminution of up wards 01.4,6.01. A few years back there had been 170 cletks in the War-office; they had been reduced to 91 before his Noble Friend (Lord PalMerston) had re,, sited, and now only amounted to 70. The greatest regu larity had,he was bound to say, resulted from this reduc tion; indeed hisNobleFt iend had exerted himself so mach belted leftism little for him (Sir H. Harding.) to do in the way of reduction Of expense. The net charge was 1 . 6 : 160i. for the medical department, which was a re duction of 1,2001. There was a reduction of 3,C001. in the military college. The charge fur this establishment was last year 12,9001. The great reduction arose from the decreme of the numbers who held situations in this college. There had. been one Major, and one Captain attack off the list ; and the Lieutenant Governor, who bad fulfilled the duties of that office for 37 years in a eußoner highly creditable to himself, had now retired. The othcer wises was to succeed hiin was to retain his sedimental pay, and received one guinea a day in ad dition. There was a charge of 136,0001. for General . efs; in this matter there was a reduction of ten . tecl pounds. In the half pay department there was a cotiii'd.rable• . reduceion, and this arose tom the numbers who had been ; ermitrid to part with their ImilkOlis+inos. • in the years 1b25 and 1826 there were SOD officers allowed to sell their half pay commissions; these were purchased by officers on full pay, who again itischa .ei .back on full pay to the same rank as their La is? commisse•ns k so that the individuals who are, now on the hal( pi; list are nearly as old as the Officers who °regime* held the commissions; hot, if there was' - ouy.disadamageutteading- this change, it - was woe. I than counterbalanced by not having to pension their wives and children. 'There iris dm another advent:le d in this arrangement, which . was, that those who Vielr commissions sold them at the loWest rate, whereas those who purchased them did it at the' highest. This brought a balance of 80.0001. and it was his (Sir Henry Hardinge's) opinion that this sum should be ap plied to pensioning off seventy Lieutenants and sees Ensigns, which would be a saving to the Treasury 9.0001. per annum. He was particularly anxious foi this arrangement, because he, as a military man, knesi that it should get rid of much of the obloquy which et. isted, and the reluctance which there was to pay thoWl who were not supposed to have rendered much service to the country. The next charge was for the pension, list, and this he considered was a most important sub.' ject. There had been 4,000 pensions struck out of his list, and transferred to the militia; this he had done for the purpose of showing the hole charge of the militia establiihment, and it caused an apparent reduction of rxpense in this item. He was anxious to direct the atten tion of the Hooke particularly to this point. For the last fifteen years the p.nsion list had been annual!? in creasing. He was ready to admit that no breach of faith should be made with the soldiers who had entered into the service under the arrangement of 1806; bat he con,itiered that thoie arrangements were mutual, and the reward of the soldier ought to' be proportioned to his services. The regulations of 1806 were framed, be thought, under an erroneous feeling, and in 1807 those who had framed them changed their opinion. In the year 1817 there were 64,000 pensioners, and in 1829 they amounted to 85,000. The increase to the Estimates in these twelve years amounted to 384,0001. It was his intention to submit a plan which he thought would tend much to lessen this heavy expense. It was this—heretofore the price of procuring a discharge was 301. for a cavalry soldier and 201. for an infantry sol dier. He would facilitate the procuring of dis charges. He would make the price vary in s gradual scale from seven to fourteen years service. Uoder the new system, it was proposed that after a service of 15 years the soldier should be entitled to his free discharge, but should receive no pension or indemnification ; after a service of sixteen years and a half the soldier would receive his discharge, and half a year's pay ; after a set vice of seventeen years he would be entitled to a dis charge and one year's pay ; and after a service 'of eighteen years to two years pay. The rewards tiros given to the so'dier for lung service would be in the way of gratuity, instead of persion; and it was also pro posed, where such a system could be rendered avail able, to add a grant of I Ind to the gratuity as often as that was possible, so that the soldiers might become military settlers. Ile did not think it was too much to calculate that four thousand men might be taken away annually from the mass of the army in this' way, and recrive their discharges after averaging from twelve to fourteen years; the soldiers thus charged being from thirty to thirty-five years of age, and those soldiers would be replaced by forty thousand recruits,which would effect an immense reduc tion of the pension list. By anticipating the discharge of soldiers according to the system now under consider- Ation, a sensible relief would be afforded in the expen diture occasioned by pensions for long service. It bad been calculated that at the end of ten years there would be a permanent diminution of 300,0001. in that branch 'of the public expenditure. As to the manner in which the discharge should take place, and the particular rime, it should be regulated by the commanding officer, and to prevent men from applying for their dis charges from capricious feelings, it was intended that no man should receive his discharge without at least a week's deliberation. By this plan, then, these would be a considerable diminution of the pension list, and the recruiting service would be greatly faci litated 'by the facility of discharge. Desertion, too, he bad no doubt, would be checked, and that there would be a considerable improvement in the character of the army generally. He would not enter further into the details of the plan under consideration. He would merely observe thatit was intended to substitute a con ditional pension, or a gratuity, instead of a pension for life, in cases of slight injury. Instead of a pension for life for the loss of an eye or a finger, for instance, it was intended that the soldier should have the option of a discharge, with a gratuity or service in a veteran bate talion. Under the present regulation no discretion wafer left. The soldier receiving a slight injury was entitled to a pension for life. The next reduction which be should notice was that in the Estimate for the Mili tary Asylum. The Estimate for the last year was 24,1551. and in the Estimate for the current yele there would be g reduction of 3,4731. This reduction would be effected by diminishing the number of children from twelve hundred to one thousand. On the widows' pensions there was a small increase of 3281. and in the superannuation allowances there was an increase of 8631. The House must be aware that it was impossible to effect such important reductions on other branches of the estimates without having some small increase OR those—(Hear). In the compensation allowances these was i' reduction of 6,4631. the last estimates being 189,1371 and he begged to remark that the compen sation allowances to officers had been limited to 40,0001. according to the 'recommendation of the Finanie Com mittee.' The total amount of the army estimates for the current year was 6,336,2311. being 24e,00e1. below the last year. This warthe apparent decrease, but there was a sum of 104,6801. to be deducted, which was transferred front the pension list to the militia, and de ducting that sum from the a pparent . decrease, there was a real decrease of 143,2291. To that, however, should be added 50,0001. for the proposed reduction on the militia estimates. There should. also be added 128,0001. for the ' :reduction of 5,000 men, and; speaking in round-num bers, a reduction of 100,0001. on the army extraordina ries. The actual deireasa, therefore, might be calculated at 422,2981.. He would not enter further into the details, but concluded by.movirig the first resolution, which was to the effect that it Wai-the opinion of the Committee that the land forces in the service of his Majesty should not exceed 89,732 men, exclusive of the regiments in India, from the 25th of December 1828, to the 24th of December 1829. The Chairman having pat the question on the Resolution, Colonel HASTINGS DAVIES said, that notwitk standing•the clear and able statement of the Gallant Officer opposite, he - vre'wed these estimates with any thing but satisfaction. Hs had heard with great alarm the statement, that 'it was impossible to expect any greater reduction of our military establishmetrs, as the force now voted was Wanted, not for our home service, but for our ColooLl garrilOns. He was of opinion that the whole garrisons of the Colonies should be kept up by Colonial coml. Such a plan would not be injurious to tie service, and would lave the country the expense to which it was nnw put by the system of keeping up reliefs. He hoped due the Finance Committee would be re appoimed, and that some individuals would ;his YeAr be placed upon it, echo Were connected with the services s 1 the army, navy, and ordnance, into which it sus ordered to inquire. H. PARNELL observed, that the troops sent to the Colonies had only_ to perform a police duty, which might be perfbrmed ii'anothor manner. and by other Pomp., so as to plat ao tad to the necessity for having , our 'egoisr troops sent thither. He wished to know whether it wes in contemplation to effect any reduction of the number Of troops required for the Colonies, by adopting a plan of the kind ha hid alluded to? Mr. HUME thought. there might be a reduction of the numerical forge to ilsar which was in existence in the years 1822, 1828, and 1884 s. Since the latter period There had been an increase of Sl.OOO men, and there Was no reason for such an increase in a time of pro found peace. In his opinion there might bea reduction of twenty thouiand men, and the whole business would be quite as well done. If there were any point of more importance than another, it was, that Government should be forced to act differently in respect to the Co looks. They were now treated like conquered military garrisons; but if the country were relieved from the expense of supporting the Colonial garrisons, several ohnolloas taxes' Might be repealed. The question. therefore, involved nothing less than the repeal of the Assessed Taxes. There were 6,000 wen in the Canada., whilst the United States. the only Power we had to fear in that country, had not a force so large to de fend the whole of its immense frontiers. The fact was, that the Government were at variance a ith the people, and that was the reason which to ide it necessary to keep up such a large military force in the Colonies. Our Co lonics were treated as conquered countries instead of. as friendly States. Nearly 75,000 men were necessary to keep up the colonial garrisons, and the whole num ber of our land forces amounting only to 89 000, the simple rule of three proved what a large reduction might be effected if we were rewired from the expense of the Colonies. The question of the Colonies he con sidered the m.st important, text to !eclat doehich could come under the attention of the those. Unless a more 'paternal system of Government was adopted towards the Colonies, and unless the people were allowed to take a part in distributing the tazes they paid, there would never be peace in the r;olonies. He contended that the. system adopted in Canada was destructive to cu , finances. If ten or 12.000 men were withdrawn from the Colonies the Governors would be better off, for they 'would be more likely to listen to reason..lf 75,000 men were required to keep up the colonial establishment-, and if some substitute in the naturtof police could not be substituted, it was better to give up the Colonies— (Hear). The amount of reduction now proposed was not worthy of the attention of the House, nor was it such as the country had a right to expect. He admit. ted, however, that Government was now in a situation to be strengthened rather than weakened. As to the Right Honourable 'Secretary for the Colonies (Sir G. Murray), the system had been much improved since he took charge of the Colonies—(Hear, hear). If there was any thing wrong in the system it was not to be attributed to the Right Honourable Gentleman, but tothe person he had succeeded, and he hoped the Right Honourable Gentleman would be able entirely to break down that system. He conceived that 15,000 or 16.000 men would be quite sufficient to garrison the Colonies, and there alsO might be some reduction in the expenses of recruiting. There was little alteration in the charge for recruiting, which was somewhat unaccountable, as there was a reduction in the numerical force. This'point, he thought, requlred some explivation. Mr. ROBINSON cootendeJ that the Colonies were not the burthen to the country the Hon. Member tr Aberdeen wished to make out—they were rather one of the souices of the wealth and prosperity of this great Empire—they gave employment to many tons of %hip ping—consumed quantities of our manufactures—and offered an asylum for our redundant population— (Hear, hear). With respect to the complaint of the Honourable Member of six thousand men being kept up in Canada, he must see, if he would cast aside file an instant his book of arithmetic and look to the map, that that n'dmber was not too much for such an extent of territory as Nova Scotia, Newfoundland, and Canada. The suggestion of the Hon. Member for Aberdeen to leave the Colonies without any defence at all needed no reply, for every one must see that, in the event of a war, they might be taken before we could send them assistance. Sir G. MURRAY thought he should be wanting in respect to the House, end to the Honourable Members who had spoken on the subject of the Colonies, if he did not say a few words in reply to what he had heard. —He agreed with the Honourable Member who had just sat down that the Colonial system was necessarily connected with the extended commerce, stealth, and prosperity of this country. He thought therefore, that any plan of economy embracing the relinquishment of those Colonies would tend to diminish the means of the State—(Hear). It had been suggested that the military expense of the West Indies might be reduced ; and one Hon. Member had, in allusion to a passage in the report of the Finance Committee, said, that a great part of the military force there were employed as police, and that se mneh of the force might be reduced. He (Sir G. Murray) was not aware Of the evidence before the Committee; but he should rather think tbat the police duty performed by the milker rthere was in addition to the regular military duty necessary for the security of the islands. Be sides, the circumstance of a large slave population in those islands rendered the presence of troops more necessary than if we merely had the fear of invasion from a foreign enemy, although that consideration ought to have weight with them, when they recAlected ' the new and powerful States that were rising in the neighbourhood of those Colonies. With regard to the plan of garrisoning the islands with colonial troops, it was It plan he should always oppose, as he considered that nothing could be more detrimental to the British army, or contribute more effectually to the insecurity of our possessions in that partof the world. With respect .to the amount of our forced in Canada, he coul.l not look upon as so enormous as the Honourable Member fist. Aberdeen. He was willing to suppose that the United States were well disposed towards us, and he was aware that they had a very small standing army; but io calculating upon the force necessary to be kept up in Canada, they should not look so much to the re gular army of the States as to their power generally. At the same time, however, that he expressed himself thus, he concurred with the Honourable Member on the expediency of rendering the Colonies secure by the attachment of the inhabitants—(Cheers). The Honour able Member bad alluded to certain divisions between the two branches of the Legi.latuie in Canada. He (Sir Grorge Murray) was ready to admit that there hair been discussions and differences in Canada, and he was further ready to admit that these discussions and these differences were the result of a defective system in that country—(Hear; hear). It was a system which Cid not originate blame to any individual, much less to the in divtdual who la!e:y had the government of that ccuniry —(Hear). The evil had been gradually growing to a head in that country till it forced itself on the attention of the House. He tru,ted that it would be possible to introduce measures that would abate the evil;. but, at the same time, however de.irous be might be to give effect to the wishes of the inhabitants th melees, 1.41 could not thiak eery thing tentions toroa, Lord PAL` •ice of the Colonies number of troop• gel' nation. r toltaistain have a .mall might arise. to esent 5.000 . :ng•l, mecessity of having such a foie, ready to be dispatched on instant service for the purpose of maintaining the dignity of the miion. Mr. MABERLY said he mu , t still say that the ermy was more numernu. now by f urteen thousand men than it was in 1822. With respect to the reduction that had bees spoken of as having taken place in the win) , in India, that had on effect upon our estimates. as those were troops pail by the East India Company. The observations made by the gall int Officer relative ta the pensions were most inventor, andle could not refrain from saying that the mode proposed by hies foe re ducing that Leavy charge did him peat credit. It was far better than the plan proposed with a view to the same object by hial•eif—(Hear)—lt could not fail of success—(Hear). Sir HENRY HARDINGE repeated the list of the military force, as he had already described it in his opening speech, and denied that it was so much larger than the estimate of 1822, which they all knew bad been taken in its then 4-educed form, as an emir& meat, one that had since been found to have entirely failed. and to have brought successive complaints of its inefficiency from the Colonies, in the wearing oat of the men, and difects in the perfoimaqo of ,the duty.— He still insisted that. there was a conlingent saving by the reductiqn of the 5,500 men m India. With respect to the number of troops required for the Colonies, what he had stated was this—Of 103 battalions if the line, 64 were available for the Colonies, and 20 for the East Indies, leaving about 25 for home service, when it was considered that there must be aliwaysen average of four battalithis on their passage. He then proceeded to jos tify the amount r.f force to be kept op according to these estimates, both upon the necessity of the regular garrisons and contingent reliefs. Mr. MAW/ILLY said. that if be was wrong is the members be bad mentioned, he bad been misled by a document width bore the signature of 0. R. Dawson. Sir H. HA RDINGE sMd. that the Howarthle Member was right in his figures, but be bad forgot to deduct tie Sire titonied I reduced sum, for which there was an allowance in t►e Ukase et 100,0001. • Mr. HUSIR, In explanation, said, that he bad never banded * my that the Colonies should be given up altogether. What be to say was, that t►ey guild be kept up with the smallest military force possible. Mr. BARING thought that the cavalry force kept up in the south coast was quite useless for the prevention of smuggling, for which it was said to be kept tbme, whilst it was a very expensive force. Mr. MONK said, that large standing armies were kept up by the Continental nations, but still mat of them were oppressed to arch an extent as we were with a dead weight. The constitetion of that House was such, that no hope of ridwrdon could be enter. mined until such a change should take place as would make the House a more faithful representation of the sentiments of the people—(Hear, hear). Sir HUSSEY VIVIAN observed, that if it were admitted that a cavalry force was necessary at all, it would oat be costeeded that that force could be reduced below as present standard. Colonel DAVIES ezprmsed his approbation of the measure of 'the Right lion. Gentirman opposite, as respected the discharge it soldiers. Sir HENRY HARM/410E said, that In many eases tbe di► charge of soldiers was optional. The nieasure in question was innuvatioo—it was founded on Mr. Wyndhant's Act. Alters few observations from Colonel Doisneau the resolution was agreed to. On the question that 5,136,7521. 15s. be granted for defraying the charge of his Majesty's land forces lit Great Britain and Ireland and settkosents abroad (excepting. India). hem the 15th of De caliber. ISIS, to the 241 b of December. ISIS, boih inclusive. a conversation ensued. in which Mr Dusse. Mr. 11411MCG, Sir Hussar Vivian, Sir £.lEstatcostro a., and Sir Halal' Hammes, particirated, in the course of which it was stated that the cavalry were frequently employed to assisting the preventive service. Mr. HUME objected to the amount paid for the Riding-house, ►eing a sum exceeding 1,406 i. Sir HUSSRY VIVIAN said uelformity was necessary in the erode of • instruction in riding given to the cavalry, and, when it was considered that high, qualification was requited on that• im portant point, it would not be denied that competent masters were indispensable, find a certain amount of expense necessarily ' consequent. • Mr. BARING wished to know why a force of WO men was kept up merely that we might be able to send 5,000 men abroad? The vote was eventually ivied to. The next Resolution was for granting a sum of 117.1361. for de• fraying the charge of GenerarOfficers, Staff, and Hospital Olken, in Great Britain end Ireland, and settlements abroad (excepting India), for the year 1629. Mr. HUME complained of the expense of tide department of the public service, and urged the necessity of immediate diminution. Sir H. HA [WINGS said, that since the last Estimate a saving of 19,0001. bad been effected. The uScers were constantly em ployed. Five General Officers were necessary in Ireland. In Scot land there was only one. Mr. HUME said, that there were four Adjutant• General and (oar Quartermasters at head quarters. This he conceived to be a much greater number titan was necessary. The vote was, however, agreed to. The next was for a sum of 105.921/ 10s. 2d. to defray the charge of °Seen in the several Public Depanments hr the entreat year. Aker a abort conversation between Mr. Hones, Mr. CALCIATT, Sir H. PARNELL, end Mr. If the vote was agreed to. The next Resolution, that the sum of 164101 141. id. be annted for defraying the charge of the Surgical and Medical - %laterials and Contingencies of the Army. for 1829, was moved and agreed to. Oa the Resolution being put that the sum of 80,1158 L 9s. id. be granted for defraying the cb.:rge of the Volunteer Corps of t►e United Kingdom in the year 11199, Mr. HUME objected tonne of the items, which included tipper of ten Brigade Majors. The Honourable Member did oat see the utility of having so many of their Officers. W. PEEL was rather surprised at the •hjectioo of the Hawearable Member for Aberdeen, after the extensive reductions wM but been made in she Yeomanry force last year. A■ order Ist Imposden had been issued far this year, and ::overnment would mate whatever reductions might be found to be proper. Mr. MA BERLY recommended reduction . Mr. THANT expressed his regret at the disbanding of any part et the Constitutional force of thelountry. He would anxiously Sketch whatever measures of the same character might bt in coma eseeplatioo, as, from late occurrences, be did not think this a fitting dine for such a proceeding. Mr. HUM R said, that no force could be termed Constitutional mikes it served without pay. This had formerly , been • the cast with the volunteer corps, and on these terms their services should be accepted still. As to what the Hon. Member wbo spoke last bad said concerning late occurrences (referring to the measure:re garding Ireland), be trusted that by nest year their wisdom would be compktely proved in their results. The vote was then agreed to. The ma( remlution, that the sum of 100,591.175. Id. be granted for defraying the charge of the Royal Military College at saod. Must was moved. 7. • : Mr. F. PA LMER regretted the reduction in the number of dm Medical Olken in the establishment, who had bees eacealingly useful to the poor Is the neighbourh ood of Sandhurst. Sir 11. H A RDINGE showed tint propriety of the redocdoss, es the ground that the number of Cadets had been Imposed. The utility of the Medical Olken to the pour around Sandhurst would not be a good argument against that reductios. Mr. fIUME said that he had visited Sandhurst, and felt wal► position to injure the College, but to improve it. He thought the country wield be lightened of the burthen of supporting it, and the character of the army improved. by opening it, or some abets, to the general education of youths destined for a military life, at • certain yearly sum. In his opioloo no Miter should be admitted into the service without a previous examination. and to prepare lot it ; an establishment Amid exist of the description be eras both far the King's service and the East India Company. Sir GEORGE MURRAY thought that the coatpdsciry opus; of 'decades width would be molted tgt the eampaisedes Waged i:ik it proem- or prudes! to- -- . OIL.. epee demandedfiy those,isi . • , '." Ale- war d. -'d. . -. a '.,... k ••.../.. • ..-., -- N . le LMERSTON stat Al— : i , , rek 6.4‘ Colonies could n ' • ~-.. ,- • i troops th .n we no - .t' "..._„ r , * ~, • on. and had relatici s. • ."''s• • so with other nations. wilt - . es to II dispo•We force tor iit l y l - ' T . I that . That wl,ich occurred too years ago, when 00 men to Portust.d. was an instance of the f d i .4 1 ,l I r ) 4 14 +. •• • 1,1 • I • 1 • : , 1 4 I • i I 4 ; i .I ' i . 1 4. 1 P Si I t i If Of the had :ace 'the ~' '~ L '• t