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fa: kds castse s nWha is not oementruptdous hi substituting, tr-ar.tee chat does not make for it ; btqfput Lordships, who are ' net inflaenced by such prejudiced viehrss and who do not labour under this professional obliquity of rislgn, camiot but recollect, that if the absolute necessity for this proceeding be not shewn, the 13111 ought not to procedafiethltr. But I am told that it is tea late to argue this question.; that your Lordships have de ci4el the ,rater; that the Bill bee been received aced read a Arse time ; and Wet ,there is now an order upon yuut Lordalips' table far proceeding to the seta; d readhen. If this be so. my Loran, wq are, indeed,. mistaken; for we leave ventured to ap prehend, that though the 11111 Lai beer. received and rrad a first time, we were not shut out from ling heard against thy princi ple- of the nu. An the (matter!, lay Lords, we conceived, that far these very reasons—because hour Lor dships had received the Bill, seed read it a first time in the absence of the parties afietted, and withotit hearing arguments either from or witOin the Ber, without listening to the reasons which might have con vieced your Lordships that uo necessity existed fur such a pro cm-ling—for thee:. yen( reasons, my Lords, we felt persuaded chit your Lerdsidpe would not now. refuse to hear us. Con ceiving this to he. the situation in which we are placed, We re ninded yoer Lordships yesterday and to-day of those reasons, tied it now only remains to make a few farther obeervatiohs, r as:ln g over . a re:altitude, which I think I could succisfelly urge to nee Lordships, and confining myself to those points, upon which my Learned Ihier.ds on the other side scent more ems cially to rely. New ,my Learned Friend the Attorney-General Lee thought proper :a mete a general and somewhat sweeping critithun upon the argetuente which have been urged to your Lordships against the JCL After all the attenticn which he could give them, it scams, that amidst a great mass of matter, he (the Attorney-General) could only find ene thing which bore es t: semblance of an argument. In leaving me this one poor, un- L ley/ argument, amidst a large mass of declamation, my Learned Ireeend has at least dealt with. the snore fairly than the man in tthatdsparable. The reason fur proceeding by impeachment, 1, what my Learned Friend. considers an argument. An im paielusent, however, says the Atterney-General, does r.ot fee A.Uorney-General and myself ale at issue upon the law, for I contend that an impeachment does lie, and that this gill ought Lot to be proceeded in. We contended before your leirdships, that this proceeding should not be had, because impeachment was the constitutional comae, and that this measure should not be gene into, because, under all the circumstances of the case, it was most unnecessary and inexpedient. Now to grapple with the argument as to impeach:. cne My Learned Friend did not sheet any remarkable degree of confidence, for nn sooner bad he said, that our law was wrong, than he adtlhd, if i i: was not wrong, it was at least extremely doubtful. He first begins by asserting, that intpeachntent does not lie, and then ety Learned Friend turns round, and Jays, impeachment is a eery doubtful preceedieg. Tly Learned Friend appears to be but little reed in constitetior.al law; and, if a scattered passage is all he can bring forward "amanst whole paees and volumes, 'Which may be opposed to him under the ti tle of the Law of Impeachment, ho experience in matters of constitutional law it, indeed, but of yesterday. What ! no impeachment com petent where no law Las been violated? Why, the whole ; nisch:lion of the House, a jurisdiction which, in the words of lewd Coke, WAS so lame, ample, and capacious, that it as neither bounds of time nor space, rested 'upon the gencial principle, that impeachnient lay in such cases. If there is one maxim In our constitutional law more fixed and irre fragable than another, it is this—that where mischief has been done; ati :.o remedy is otherwise to be obtained, impeach ment is the competent redress. My Learned Friend has tacit upon himself to say, that impeachment is not competent except against persons in a public and othciel capacity. Now what is site reason that impeachment ilea In the case of misdemeanours committed by public functionaries? It is not because no remedy ii to be obtained elsewhere, and that the distinction applies only to Met in-which no iudicurnnt can lie. It is because wrong has been done, and the interest of the State requires that is should be punished, that Parliament has the power of seeing right done, of taking-care that justice be administered and pu nishment awarced. But does cot the principle admitted by the atetorney-General apply to this very case? Is the Queen Con sort a private person? Is the Queen Consort a petsou endued with no rights, privileges, and human:ties? Let the Attorney- General look at his books, which he appears only to have half read, and a quarter quoted, and he will find that no person un der the officer who wears the (Baden', is more recognised in 'a nablic capacity than the Queen Consort of England. I will prc- csed to some cases of impeachment in which neither public functionaries were concerned, nor crimes charged, which were indictable in the ordinary_ Courts of Judicature. Towards the end of the reign of Edward 111. Richard Lyons, filling the high public station of one cf the merchants of the City of Lon don, committed the indictable offence cf removing the staple of *void and other eievehattelise. Another offence for which this Richard Lyons was impeached, was lending money to the King upon usurious contracts, ar.d en, ring to pay tees King's creditors fora small advance. This charee of compeer:ding the Khan's debts upon a small per cereage would, in these days, I appre head, be so tar :rue:: being deemed an Gifeu:e, that if the King's csehitors could othe be made accomplices by consentieg to re ceive a small proportion of their debts, it wowed be regarded at a great Newts to the country.—(Here the Attorney-Geniral caned upon lilt. Brougham to go on with the list of charges entir.st Iticha ai Lyons.)—l have not the slightest objection to ga on. The'cleerge proceeds to state other extortions, deceits, and oppressions, committed by the said Richard Lyons, as col tenser of the King's revenues. It appears, therefore, that this itsdividual was charged with offences both of a public and pri vate nature. Bet yoar Lerdships will observe, and I pray yuer Lordships atteetion to the fact, tine there are tour several mat ters alleged against him, each of these allegations being a sub •s rive charge. Now it must be recollected, thai otrmecenors aid not drew sip articles of impeachment in the slovenly reasoner in which some of their descinlints now draw Bills of reins and penalties; therefore any oat of the three impeachable offences first charged, affords as strong an authority that impeachment lies for offences commented is a private capacity, and not indictable at carnation hew, as• if the offence which winds up the charge had been entirely left out. I will not fatigue your Lordships by detailing ether cases, but content myself with rcherring to one in lend, which is the more remarkable, because :dr - Edward Coke was at that tiros in the House of Comm ons, and Char mar. of the Committee appointed to search for precedents. In the 4 Inst. folio 36 and ee, he alludes o the case of Sir Giles liornnesson, who etas intrea:brd fur no more teat - ant er in dictable an ern:en than that of procuring illegal patents. I should like to see the Attorney-General, with the aid of his iipecial Pleaders, below the 8.-, set about draering art indict rietit for procuring illegal-patents. Since the Revolution them: are instanzes of the s.une kind. I deny the narrow principle that the moment an offence is nude liable to pechniary penalty, i: comes withir. the pale of Perliamectar)• itnpeaeinneme My L.erued Friend applies to cue as a Inver of the Constitution.-- le that character I require the privilege ef-impeachtnent then !steins grounds than because a penalty of a is emnesed to an soce. i reeeire it wherever a wrong or inhe f Is done fur lesit there is no other constitutions' renu.4, anq which. is not merieahle at common law. This is the sound constitutional rir.ciele on w hich the law of impeachment ream since the easy L esti:ming of l'arliaments. In Glanville a ease of inlet schment is meetioned fur smuggling French silks, ar.d I mention this to thew how long .red wittiest:etching is the arm of impeachment. There can be (said Mr. Brougham) no common Bill of Divorce, cress the Ecetcaiastical Courts have first pronounced a sentence o. divorce upon a charge of adultery; and never did the Eccle siastical Courts proneunce such a sentence, where the libel con. tened nothing Ltd the words' adulterous intercourse.' The TL Lel must impute the' foul crime of adultery.' It is very possible that the weeds adulterous intercourse' may :lin be used, be came: the learned persons who draw these proceedings, delight hi prolixity, for the sale of accuracy, of course, as the purees of .those who enseloy them can testify. The foul crime of adul tery,' however, must be chained in the libel, and without such a noel, no COnlllloll Bill of Divorce ever passed your Lordships' House. It is said, however, that his hleiesty dues not coal pLein ;•so that here is the anousaleus case of a Bill of Divorce without a party applying :or it is a Bin of Divorce to all pure poste, save only that tf i2n particular, that there is no party poe nmeng to be injured. It is upon this particular, however, upon the comeleint of some individuai, that sel your Lordships' jurisdic tion in cases ofdivorce rests-ev. ithum it you have no right to dis solve the secred tie of marsh:fie. There is not a single instance from the beginning of the world, nut e - ;en exc:p th ic the re i gn _ of limey viii. in w e ie enrasehiment his proceeded to leeislate ays-ay .t he marriage tie, without an applicetiun front the party cam pininieg mie:ry. enthoughthe King, however, does not comp l a i n i se send; a se.lel ing of charges; he desires Parliament to con.. alder them ; sod l:e pledges himself that if they shall be or opi nion that a divasce is a s h:is:Able, he will cheerfully abide by it recommelidadon. And this course, is taken, because it be intamisietsat with the Royal dignity to compli t o To • ' ' my mind; I confess that the Royal dignity appeatrto have been', little csinsulted in this proceeding I and, in point of fact, where is the difference between making a complaint and a demand of redress, and sending down a Message to Parhatrent recom mending hem to institute' proceedings, with an implied asses ranee that fiis Majesty would be •the first person to.blisatisfad with their decision, and joyfully accept the proffered redress? My• Learned Friend who spoke last, under that convenient AL are of speech in vslich an orator says be wanot don lat a; Cue moment he az,ua:ly does, has enumerated all dune die ! graceful, degrading, ofrent.ivc particulars, to use his on a words, I of that adulterous intercourse which is alleged to have stibsisted between her Majesty and a fireigner. If information were re -1 cei4cd in this country of conduct so disgraceful and degrading, is it lot 'a logical iaferenee that it would have been followed up by an order requiring her return to England, that if guilty she might no longer retain her illustrious rank and privileges? Was any ,proceeding of this nature resorted to? No such thing— reward was held out instead of punishment, and instead of an order to return to this country, a pr ohibition to re turn. Instead of attemptiag to retrieve the sullied honour of the country, every facility was afforded her of adding to the national dishonour. The real opinion of the framers and 'supporters of this Bill must be collected from their actions. So tar from thinking such a Bill essential to the morality of the country, thcy were ready to consent that her Majesty should have a large income, and that she should be 'acknowledged at Foreign Courts as Q ueen of Great Britain, without any hint that she had committed ollences degrading to the character of the' country, still less that any measure had become necessary to de grade her Majesty from her high rank and station. My Lords, we hive been accused of calumniating a set of persons called witnesses, and attempting to raise a prejudice against a number lof this description, before it can be known what is the nature of their evidence. It is necessary for me, in order to repel this charge, to ask what is here meant by the term' witness?' Am I to understand that tbeie witnesses are persons of rank or station, approximating at least, in some degree, to the high rank of the Illustrious Lady who is under accusation? Am I to suppose that they are persons who at least possess a fee simple in the habiliments in which they appear -before your Lord ships--that they have the means of independently providing themselves with food—that they have the power of loco-motion —and that they may be seen at the corners of your streets, and in your public places? If they possess none of these re quisites, how can I be justly accused of calumniating them?— How can it be said that I have improperly stated the want of effect which' must attach to their evidence? My Lords, I have been accused of unnecessarily introducing an allusion to the for mer conduct of an Illustrious Individual, calculated to wound the feelings of that Illustrious Individual, in a way that was not in the least called for by the circumstances of the case of my ll lustrious Client. The fact is, the allusion was necessary to my case; because, *hewing, as I thus did, that charges of adultery, proved and admitted by the party to whom they were applied, were not considered of such a nature as to be injurious to the morals of the country, or to call for any measure degrading to the party charged, I make out a strong case on behalf of my Il lustrious Client, inasmuch as , supposing for a moment that the charges against her are true, I thus shew that there is no neces sity for passing the present ill, such charges having but a few years since been considered of too little importance to call for any measure degrading to the party to whom they applied. I have thought it of importance to urge these arguments to your Lordships upon this view of the case for the purpose of sheaving, that supposing the facts alleged to be true, it does ant by any means follow that this Bill is at all required, or neces sary; but at the same time, it becomes me to say, that my Illus trious Client, firm in con scious innocence, is perfectly ready to meet the charges alleged against her, and to shew their malice and absurdity." Lord KING said he had now to submit a Resolution to their Lordships to the following effect, namely—" Tbat it was not necessary, for the public safety or the dignity of the Crown, that the Bill of Pains and Penalties against her Majesty should , be proceeded in." ' Lord GREY observed, the speeches of the Learned Counsel at the Bar had made so great an impression on his, mind, that he wished for a short delay, to consider what cootie ought to ha adopted. He hoped that his Noble Friend Would postpone Ins motiou until to-morrow morning. Lord LI VERPOOL was also in favour of a short delay. Lord KING then proposed his Resolution - the debate upon which was postponed till to-morrow . — Adjou rned. THE EVENING STAR L()NgrON. - • SATURDAY, AUGUST' 19. 1820. prucz OF STOCKS THIS DAY AT OUR O'CLOCK I 3 per Cent. Reduced 681 6-3 per Cent. Cont. 611 68 36 per Cent. Cons. 776-4 per Cent. 871 5 per Cent. 1031 —Long Anne. 18 1-16 India l)onds 21s. pre.—Exchequer Bills 41. pre. Omni= 6 a dis.—Consols for Acct 68h The proceedings against the QUM are the only topic of conversation in every circle. Mr. BROI:OIiAX'S speech on Thursday, of which we yesterday gave a full repeat, pro. duced a strong impression ; and that has be - en much heightened by the address of Mr. Dentax yesterday. He was succeeded by the ATTORNEY and SOLICITORPGINERAL, and to them Mr. BaounuAst (her Maassres Attorney-General) replied. Mr. BROUGHIII contended, that a Bill of Pains and Penalties should never be resorted to but when no other course was open; that the present case could be brought before their Lordships, as a Court of Judicature, by Impeachment; and he cited a number of cases to skew that, from the first instance of Impeachment on record doWn to the present time, all manner of Individuals had been subjected to :t for acts of almost every description. • Wilco Mr. Boot.cuast had concluded, Lord Km: gave notice of a motion for discussion this inwr-ing, widch, if carried, will Let gilt of Ole proceedings altogether, on ar.other ground. The Words of his motion are—" That it is aot necessary for the safety and bonuur of the nation, or the dignity of the Crown, that the Hill of rair.s. and Yetudties, entitled An Acr,' am. shookkbe proceeded in."- Ito;Vever this motion may be disposed of, it seems veri der tab that the tactics of defence will be so managed, as toirermler it almost iropossible for the House of reere so proceed tnnza.. mine evidence before the Commons shall have met; when-it is probable that some strong resolutions will be adopted. in that House, which may have an effect on the whole proceedings.—a We say it will be next to impossible, before the Commons meet, to proceed to wmine evidence; for Lord Kisn's motion against the necessity of the prosecution, is expected to be felloWed by one from Earl Garr, against the fegedity of the proceeding; which case the evidence cannot be gene into before Tuesday morning—the day after the House of Commons resumes its Sittings. Iler Mitsitsrr quitted the House towards the conclusion of Mr. DMAI4'S learned and eloquent argument, and, with Lady I.lastiLrox, retired, to the private apartment appropriated to her use. Her Manny was, however, apprised of all that occurred dining her absence by one of her Chamberlains. She again re turned when Dlr. BROUGUAII began his reply, and continued till' he concluded. As soon as it was announced to the officer on duty in l'alace-yasci that her Idsaitsry had retired from the I louse of Peers, the infantry, who had been previously saws:. tering about, were formed in line, with rested 'arms, extend ing along the piazza in front of the House of Lords, and termi nating at the Members' entrance to the House of Commons-- 11w cavalry were drawn up in line on the opposite side of Pa lace-yard. Shortly after these movements the carriage of .her Manses, was driven to the door by which she is admitted to the House of Peers, and was followed by that of her Chamber lains. A considerable number of Well-dressed men, and several respectabk-looking females, who had interest sufficient to obtain a station within the barriers, riessed round her MA:ewer's equipage, and remained *ere tea stie wade her appearaace.— . Ile Tod . er the. vr--s crcu tied gish rank, and she "'Wows of the surrounding kousti presented asaernblage of beauty and fast on. At SO aziniated after feint o'clock, her Ilaastser, accompanied by Lady Asiita „„ nastu.tcnc, entered be: carriage. AS the day was exceedingly fine, the roof of the swage was thrown back, so that all those whom respect, seectien, commiseration, or curiosity, drew to the spot, hod a perfect vim of her Iklazremr. The moment she rppeared the spectators uncovered. Her hlantsty's carriage Moved slow:y along, followed by another occupied by her Chan berluins. Parliament -street, Charing.Ctoss, and all the leading avenues between :he House of Peers and her Mantsm's resi deice, which, during the early part of the day had not been in. conveniently crowded, were, as the hour of four approached, rendered almost impassable by the multitude, who occupied every spot from which they might procure even a glimpse of her MAJZI2Y. The balconies and windows in those streets were I filled chiefly by Ladies, who seemed to take an anxious and . earnest interest in the scene. As her AlLuzsry's carriage pro ceeded gradually, and with some difficulty, through the crowd, the homely, but affecting benediction, " Goo bless you! may you overcome your persecutors !" was heard on every side, min gled with execrations, both " loud" and " deep," against the au thors of the unparalleled indignity to which she is subjected. In every street through which ker dilargsry passed, the same scene was repeated . : handkerchiefs were waved from the win- dews, and cheering shouts and spontaneous blessings were echoed from all quarters. When berJzsry arrived at her residence in tt. James's-square, and alighted from her carriage, the shouts of gratulation and encouragement were redoubled. Her Ma. stew came twice to the window; rho second time she was con. ducted thither by Aider . man Moon, and bowed, as she had pre viously done in her progress through the streets, to those who tisk' so deep an interest in kir fete; The multitude ma after dispersed. The Peen, as they returned, were received with hisses or cheers, according as the sentiments they were known to profess were popular or the contrary. The Duke of You, whe was on horseback, was again followed home by a crowd, and loudly cheered. His Royal Highness bowed as he went along, remain ing uncovered nearly the whole of the way. The Duke of Nournnassznaim was recognized by the crowd, and loudly hissed; as were several of the Bishops, who seemed particularly to call forth the angry feelings of the mob. It is certain that arrangements had been made for his Ma :arm to leave the Cottage in Windsor Park, for Brighton, on Monday last ; but on the morning of that day a communication was received, at the Cottage, from Lord CAW:LIMA= ; and in the afternoon his ItLosarr went to the &ad-house, at Hampton Court, where his Lordship shortly arrived, and had a long audience of his ML►sssry. The preparations for his Ma:us'v's departure to Brightbn wee immediately countermanded; and Lord Car :meson, on returning to town, called a Council of the Cabinet Ministers, at the Foreign Office. Sir C. Pailar appeared off Brighton on Tuesday morning, with three Royal yachts, the Laver frigate, and three sloops of war ; but in consequence of the change in the Royal intentions, the squadron, in the course of the same afternoon, set sail of its return to Portsmouth. THIRD DAY'S PROC:EDINOS. The Third Day's Proceedings in the we of her Mangan have not been marked by any extraordinary occurrence withottt the walls of Parliament. The excellent arrangements made by the Civil Power, yesterday, to preserve the peace, were found so effectual, that no additional precautions have been necessary ; and the number of Military employed is such, as to inspire with conlldence and security those who are the most timid, and fear ful of the ebullition of popular feeling. The City of Westmin ster has all the appearance of a garrisop, particularly that part of it in the vicinity of the House•of Lords. Soldier are seen traversing the streets in small parties, or are found stationed in every direction. Old Palace-yard has its Horse and Foot Guards, as on the two preceding days, nor does there appear any alma don in the disposition of the troops. The crowd in the streets. though less numerous, is much more select; and the number of those who generally csonstituse the mass of all large assemblages, is comparatively small. .To day the multitude consists of well-die:eel persons, and the more respectable classes of society. At half-past nine o'clock, the Guards having taken their ac customed stations, and the Constables and Horse Patrole on duty, under the direction of Mr. Us, the Peers began to er= rive in quick succession. Very few of them excited particular notice as they passed, except the Duke of Yoae, who rode on horseback to the House amidst the loudest cheers. His Royal Highness returned the salutations by takiut off his hat and bowing to the multitude. The Duke of Gtonclarra, who pre ceded his illustrious relative, was received with similar marks of respect. _ Ist the streetsthrough which her Ma ;airy was expected to pats, vehicles of various descriptions were placed.along the pavement, crowded with persons, principally females, who had purchased th e ir elevation by a gratuity proportioned to the chance afforded of a fair view of the Illustrious Personage they were so anxious to see. At Charing-cross, the statue of King Charles was crowded with spectators, and his horse was obliged to carry double. In the windows of the shops there were biUs, announcing, " Seats for a good view of the Qua= to let," and numerous are the pers'ons wbo have Qvailed themselves of the advantage which it thus offered. . All these hopes an& expectations were however disappointed today, as, about eleven o'clock, Alderman WOOD announced to tbs_ crowd assembled in St. James's-square, which was very great, that her hitaiwri.was at Handersburgh House, and Would not be in 'town to-day. As soots as this wits Made known the people dispersed; but several determined, not to be altogether disappointed of seeing the Qtrstas, set for Ward to Hammersmith. We understand that this morning, at two o'clock, one of the Quatn's Couriers arrived at Brandenburgh House, from Rome. Her MAJZSTV rose immediately, examined all the papers, sepa. rated them, and wrote instructions to Mr. Flamm, her Solicitor. Alderman Woon (who has slept at Brandenburgh House from the time her Manarre took possession) wai also called up to re •eeive dispatches from his son * who went out as translator of the Italian language. HOUSE OF LORDS. The Loaa emaciate* entered the House at ten minutes be. fore ten, and prayers were immediately read by the Bishop of LLarctsarr. There were upwards of 200 Peers present. Their raugements with respect to the admissforLof strangers have been strictly adhered to, the number admitted below the Bar'not ex. ceeding - forty. 'While the Bishop was reading Prayers, the Band in Old Palace Yard played " GOD save the King I" and shortly afterwards the Duke of Yoax entered the House. At ten o'clock the Juscu entered the House, and took their seats. A report reached the House, before ten o'clock, that her Ma. milt' would not attend to-day. 'The expectation of strangers having been disappointed 'at this intelligence. was soon fixed upon another object of great interest—Lord BYRON entered the House before ten o'clock, nits wok his seat. The names of the Peers were then called over. The follow ing were absent, and excused:—Lord Ilalvain of Walden, and Lord KEITH. . . 'Oa the steps of* Marie were standinf during the day, Sir • ••••••, JPV. f.'arcri. SUMIINLD, his aseleeree 80 P-reitor - G e neral, Ma t Cu. curs, and several others o( the Lfouse of Coanntons. The only Defaulters were Viscount Paterot to and the teke of Newt:sesta. Lord Km; rase end said, the Counsel for the Queen, and fee the Bill of Pains and Penalties, havipg been beard, he thcueet it eecessary to interpose, to prevent that Bill from being tree -- mined. It was the opinion of their Lordships that no danger could arise from a sudden cheek to the treasure. It was ageed upon that no netessity existed for such a Dill ; and that, on tke contrary, great danger would arise froth the adoption of it s ittelr any circumstances bet those of the most urgent.necasity.—(fee j It was a most extraordinary way to vindicate the honour of :It nation by giving permission to the Queen to continue in th; course of profligacy attributed to her, upon condition tbet should remain abroad : giving her impunity abroad, and re paring for her the most degrading plutiehments If she should vie. late the condition. The complaint that the moral feeling of tte country was wounded by the conduct of the queen was abeetd, It was the conduct adopted by the House that wounded Oct moral feeling of the country. Mr. pug he said, that Kings we're notoriously fond of low company.—(e/ lavg lc—Had her Ma e jesty had opportunities of moving in the rank to which she rte's entitled? No, The misfortunes to whiehehe had been sebject, and the crime of beeping company beneath her, were attrib-te tele to the series of persecutions which had been put in practice against her. It was e molt extraerdinary and unjustifiable pro ceeding to hear Counsel for this prOsecution under circumstances which mode their Lordships Judges and Jurors. The character et their Lordships depended upon the exact administration of j . and would they not look to the situation in which thty were placed? They might be reduced to the mortifying condi tion of having their interposition rendered ineffectual by the other Mouse, the Mentions of which might rather attend to the instructions of their constituents than to the evidence to be produced: The Wails% law was the course which ought to be pursued. These was less danger to adopting such a course thee in milking a new law, especially one which is in direct ,opposi tion to the principle upon which our ancestors proceeded in es tablishing the existing code. Public benefit would yin Trott the retracted= of the proceedings. No time was too late fce changing a bad coarse—no folly was greater than that dere severing in a bad course.—(hear, hear).—The Noble Lord then moved, that it was not necessary to the public safety that Bill of Pains and Penalties should pass into a law. Lard Lusszoot rose to oppose the 14oticm. He should speak of the proceeding merely s.s a judicial proceeding, and, splakkig of k as such, he had no hesitation in declaring that toe House mast persevere in the course they 'had adopted. He was ready to maintain that Bills of Pains and _Penalties and At tainder were, in caeca of great wrong, abscdutely necessary. They were a necessary part of the Constitution, and the presets was one of those singular cases whit% called far so extraerde nary a course. The Judges had already given it as their ore nion that the Queen could not be proceeded against for II:rh Treason; there wu then but one other cons's, which could be adopted—whisk coterie was, to proceed by Impeachment. Bet great ineotivenienees would arise from that proceeding, and it was not quite clear that Impeachment could be substituted for a Bill of Pains and Penalties. It was certainly a great defect in the Common Law, that the crime of which the Queen was chargedorai not a crime. It was greatly to be regretted that adultery was only punishable by a Civil process; that one cf the highest crimes was not punishable as other crimes were p ' niched. Impeachment, in his opinion, could not be adopted, except the charge was for the perpetration of a crime punishable by the Common Law ; and if their Lordships proceeded in th.. t course, their decision might be subject to great objection, sild probably be opposed by the opinion of the Judges. The acme with - - Which the Queen was charged, would be proved to have beet committed before she was Queen, when she bed no public character, with 'duties and privileges belonging to The acti done by her as Princess of Woks, could hot be pa. nished as the acts of the Queen. It was certain that de gradation was the punishment, and he believed" that her rights as a Queen would stand against everything but an Act cf Parliament. She might be banished, but her rithea . as Qum& would remain. What then would the ',Ouse bAreught to, if they proceeded by Impeachment? At tie eta - elusion a Bill of Pains and Penalties must be resorted to, for the purpose of ac compliehing the end which their Lordships had in view. The advantages of proceeding by Bill at first .would then l e by far the most unobjectionable, for many weighty reasore-. It v.-as the opinion of the Committee appointed to inquire fr,o the charges, that there exiited a necessity fie. inquiry, encl:ha House determined that the Bill nos* brought in was the Alai Most advisable. The Commons had waited until their Life shoirld decide, and actor that decision, were they es give np their'course ? ender all those circumstances, there Were.ob jections to any other measure than that which' thee had almey frequently discussed, and which they were now bound te, pun'. e. It was the conscientious opinion of his heart that they wre bound either to go on, or to say, " Let us drop the question:l-, together."—(flew ~ hear, hear). It might be expedient to &el, it altogether, bathe thought that the House bevies adopte d it, could not now renounce it. When first the question re.s agitated, he had stated, upon comparing advantag e s a nd cli.sce vantages, that it would be advisable to come to an arrange ment. The Noble Lord then said that Lord Grey had him self stated, that if Ministers thought they could establiah.suce c es as existed against the Queen, it was their duty to proceed. Lord Gave observed, that he had said . so; but he qualified it by adding, that the proeeedint should be adopted merely cast of groat expedienor Lord Leveterocn. resumed.-=h had been asked, why; when there existed no necessity for prosecuting the Queen, if she re mained abroad, she should be subject to a prosecution upon coming home? He could answer, that abroad the Queen would no lodger be considered as possessing authority and privileges, and her conduct could not be an example to the people of England. It was, perhaps, an evil to permit such conduct to remain with out notice abroad, but the evils attending that impunity would be inferior to those arising from a contrary conduct. The Noble Lord then called upon the house not to be intimidated, but to pursue their course. The preamble of the Bill was open, and must go down to posterity. Nothing could ea justice to the King, the Queen, or the country, but a perseverance in that course. Ile declaredthat he believed no such feeling existed in the mind of the King as that of uniting himself to anotho: i person upon being separated from the Queen—(Hear, hear),-- 'as had been insinuated by her Majesty's Counsel. He then moved; as an amen4meett, that the Attorney-General be called in. Lord Cary then rose, and was left speaking. STAR-OFFICE, TWO O'CLOCK. After Earl GREY had finished, the vote was put on Lord LI 7ERIVOL'S Amer.dincnt, when the bombers were, Fox the Amendment st—Acatnst It 65—%, 2jority 116. hier MAJESTY, We are informed, will nof appear at all mai* in the House of Lords until the} comenetice with the 'evideOrr. should the proceedings ever reach thit po rtr Yesterday, Mr. Alderman. WOOD •received'tw o Addrt sits for the gotten from Bath: one signtei Ly 4900 feaa.es, the other by the same number of men. LON.UUN ; frimert zncll-.lMi-aLu by Lsvat. hrsr, VfOicit .l.l3cr, TrEllc-1.4. • ...,-., ! In •