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P4ILLI4MENTART PROCEEDINGS. HOUSE OF LORDS, WEDNESDAY, JUNE 25. in the Appeal Martin v. Meatabb, Mr. Adam was heard far the Appellant, and the Attorney General for the Refpondent...-- . Further hearing tomorrow. The Earl of ROSELYN moved, That a Melfage thould be Lent to the Houfe of Commons, to requeft a prefent eoeference In the Painted Chamber, on the fobjcdt matter (the Slave Trade) of the left Conference—Ordered. Managers of the Conference were appointed, and the Marco • ger. fact to the Houfe of Commons, having returned with an an. Ewer, that thieCommons were waiting the Conference, the Ma pagers., malting of the Sada DAITIIOUT2 Earl 5TA211101.2, the E riot' H &Rowlett'. Earl Semmes, the Elio,' of ST. ASAPH, and 032022 ; Lords GRZNVILLt. 111111:12N, and LAVDSODALE, went forth to the Painted Chamber. On their return the Earl of DARTMOUTH Rated. that they had communicated the Rcfo lotion of that Hook to the Commons. The Temple-Bar god Snow-hill Lottery Bill was ordered to De read a third tithe to morrow, and the Lords to be Iwnmoned. The Doke of Graftoo's Agreement Bill, :he kith Mine Bill, the Gibraltar and Malta Poltage Bill, the Prullian Yarn Bill, and the Additianal Affeffed Taxes Bill, were read a third time and pared. The Committee of Privileges on the Zouch Peerage was order. ed to fit to-morrow. toe° LLLLL DEIITORII• Lord HOLLAND moved the Order of the Day far receiving the Report of the Infolvent Debtors' Bill. His Lordfhip fkated, that upon confideration, he bad thought it advifable to abandon two chores which he had propofed in the Committee, and which had been added to the Bill. The objett of thefe was to grant relief, in certain cafes, to uncerti ficated bankrupts, by empowering the Chancellor to grant relief, notwithaandang the refufel of a futhcient number of the creditors of a bankrupt to fign his cer tificate. Underltanding. however, that a meafure was about to be brought before Parliament, for the purpok of amending the Bankrupt Laws, which might probably include this objett, and willing, at this advanced period of the Sethon, to avoid intro - ducing any novelty into a Bill of this nature, which might create difficulty and delay in its progrefs, he thould, therefore, move to leave out thefe claufes. If, however, the meafure to which he had alluded did not contain the objedt fought to be attained by theft clatifes, it was his intention, if not this Seffinn, the next, to bring forward a feparate Bill upon the fubjett. He alfo took this opportunity of giving no tice. that it was his intention to bring in a Bill to re vive an Att which expired two or three years ago, and the objea of which was, to enable a creditor who bad taken his debtor in execution, to releafe such debtor not of prifon. and (lilt have the fame hold swan his property. Lord WA I..SINGHAM reported the Bill, and the two chores alluded to by Lord Holland, on the qualion being put to agree with the Committee, were negatived. The Bill was ordered to be read a third time on Monday. 111311 LOADS. • Earl SPENCER moved the fecond reading of the trill Pull Roads Bill, and Rated, that he did not fee reafon for including in the Bill a p►ovifion for Dishing a new road from Limerick to Galway. The E arl of HARDWICKE approved of the Bill, inafmnch as it went' to do away the provifions of a enoßobnosious Aft upon this fubje& paffed left Sef• eon, but fuggeße4 feveral amendments, which he intended to propofe in the Committee, with the view that all parties who might be affelleil by the opera tion of the Bill might previoufly have due notice. The Earl of LIMERICK contended, that a New Road from Limerick to Galway would be of effen tial benefit to that part of the country. Earl SPENCER only %rinsed for information on the Ibbjea, and referved any further obfervations for the Committee. The Bill was read a fecond time and committed for_to morrow. _ _ . Strangers were excluded for Tome time, while the Houle difeuffed tome matter of privilege. No public bufinefs was done after our re-admiMon, • sad the Houfe adjourned till tomorrow. HOUSE OF COMMONS. Mr. VANSrITART moved for leave tobriag in a Bill for the Amendment of the Poft Office Ads, fur the purpofe of prevent ing their elation, by the conveyance of letters In brows paper co wen, by ftage coaches—Leave granted. Mr. CAII.CRAF r moved for leave to bring in a Bill for grant ing conmenration to the Proprietors of Land at Chatham, and other places occupied for the purpoks of his Majeftys Ordnance. On the motion of Sir J. NEWPORT, the Irifit School Bill wu Tad a third time, and paired ; alio the kith Dilliliery Bill was mad &record time, and ordered to be committed to morrow ; and the Houfc went into a Committee on the kith Cuftoins Reguladon Bail. Report to be received to- morrow. The Stamp Oflice Regulation Bill, and the frith Spirit Licence Bill, were both reads third time and paired. On the :notion of Mr. VANSITTART, the Route went Into a Committee oo the Pat Uffee Regulation 3El—Report to be re mised to morrow. Mr. HAWORTH, from the Exchequer, prefented an Account of the Nct Produce of all the Permanent and War Taxes, - for two peamending the gth of April Ltd, fpecifying the produce of each quarter. Sir 1. ANDERSON prefcnted Petition. frost the Royal Fx ehaele Inforanec Ct.mpat,y, and from the London Affuranee Company, againa the Globe Incorporation Bill, praying to be heard Coudel 'Asia the Paid Bill. Mr. HOEHOUSE. brought up the Report of the Committee oxidic Scot, Dlitillcry Aft.: .10 it was ordered. that the Rd°. taloa term a part of the ofw Bill to be brought in. 'Mr HOBHOUSE brought up the Report on the Slave Trade Bill. which was qrderod fo to takan into farther ennadeution on friday. I - 00.1. IN I Sir I NEWPORT moved for leave to h,ing In a Bill for more effeEtually regulating and providing for the relic/of the Pont', and tot the better management of liapitals and Infirmaxies in !refund. His oiled was to enable the Grand furies to milk a further fuen Wan what they were empowered to do under the Adts a t and no Geo. IIL fur staling Provilion for the Poor, and afGfting Hooks of Indußry. Ile propored, . that the poorer Wires of bookkeepers Should be exempted' from the rate, and that means 01004 be takes for procuing regular returns of the ingenue and expenditure of aorpetaWand for the better auditb g their accounts. Mr. FOSTER objedled to bringing forward a 8111.4 dila nature at fo late a period atilt feffion, and when fo many frith Members were 'threat. The be called a new mode of !ciliation, which had bees lately adopted by the Right Hon. Baronet. 81r J. NSWPOR / replied, that there was as great a proportion of UM Member. In Ws Monte yefterday, as was ufually to b e found during the Seffioa. Pic Host. Muabcr's objctlion, there fore, wee of no force. Mr. YUSTER explained. Mr. WELLESLEY POLE wilited that time mould be wig for Ira Members to soofult their canal:mots on the fubjrd. Colonel ILAGWEL.L repo rioted the fituation of the poor In Ireland as req Wog immediate at temuton,au callini for Utz Aol[;• tcrcocc guts Lqtatturc,-40firre w. 4 LIKO 1 , 3=4 . CONTlalthell WITH 71.111 LOarh. A Meirage from the Lords then ch.Cred a prefent conference with the Commons, in the P.tinted Chamber, on the tubJec r t of the RefolutiAn relpedling the Slave Trade. On the motion of lord HOWICK, the Houfe 'greed to an Im mediate contercnce; and the Mellinger being called in, was In formed by the SFEICER that the Houfe had agreed to the fame, and the Macagera of the lateConference,with feeeral other Mem hers, were appointed to condudt the pref,nt. The Managers hav ing returned in a aunt time, the CHANCELLOR of the rx- CHEQSIEit informed the Houfe of the refuit of the Conference, namely, that the Lords had taken into confideration their Refolu title of the 13th of June, and concurred with the Commons In the Paid Refulution. Mr. BASTARD moved for an immediate Return to an Order of the Houk of the aEth initant, fo far as rL:.,ted to certain Or ders of the Secretary of Stat., for the Home Depaitment refpeet- fug Volunteer Clothing. Mr. WINDHAM obferved, that clothing had been iffucd to thofe Volurneers only, to whom it was due to April lilt, out that no inference was to be drawn from this, with regard to the future letcatlona of Government on the fuhledt. A return wa4 then or. &red to be made turthwith. °VD& CHARGS. Sir W. YOUNG gave notice, that orders an Honourable Gen. tleman b ought forward a motion for decidin; on the Oude Charge be Worinerday neat, he was authorized to f..y. that n.s , Nob'e Friend (Lord 'rempie) would propure a mo.ion to that pur pore on that day. Mr. PAULL replied, that be had not the molt Main Idea of doing Co then t and he thought it impalltle that the Houle could be prepared for coming to a deciSon fo form. On the motion of the LORD ADVOCATE of Scotland, there was ordered to be laid before the Houle an Accous.t of ail with their Tonnaze, entering inwards and clearing outwards from the North and EaR coats of Scotland, and from the town of Bee• wick, for the three left years. Mr. ALEXANDER brought ep the Report of the Committee of the whole Houle rerpedUng Greenwich Horpital, and the Naval Chat, and Rills were ordered to be brought in purfuant to the two Refolutlons. On the motion of Lord HOWICK. the }route then re(olved it (elf Into a Committee, when his Lordlhip prepaid, that the rum of ii. r3s. ed. prr cent. be granted out of the Praccols of all Prizes taken from the enemy, or deftroyed, for the benefit of Greenwich Hofpital ; sn.l adly, that the funs of 31. 611.8 d per cent be granted out of the Proceeds of the laid Prizes, for the Basalt of the Chen. —Report to be received to morrow. PtINTINO OF THE MST ARTICLE OT IMFEACHMEHT, OE WHAT IS CALLED THE MONET CHARGE AGAINST staactyis w LLLLL LEY. Mr. PAULL then moved, that the flea Charge be printed. He cnnceived, that no objeflion would be made to the motion, as the evidence on which the Charge was founded, was now before the Houle. Sir A. WELLESLEY oppoted the motion, and ' Rated what the Houfe had already done on the tub jefl. The firft refolution of the Houfe for printing it had been refcinded next day. The reatona were that no evidence was then before the Houfe, and alto that a charge of fuels a nature thould not be citculated through the country, before the Houfe could take it into confideration. It did not appear that the Houfe would be able to enter into this charge refpefting money tranfaetions in Oude during the prefent Seffion, but would be obliged to confine Well to that rcfpefling the affair cf the Nabob of Oude. He could hot, therefore, fee any benefit thatlwould arife from printing it, while the cha ratter of his Noble Relative rnOtt, in the mean time, receive effential injury ; and he therefore trail ed, that the Houle would adhere to its former deter mination. Lord A. HAMILTON fopported the motion, and contended, that the Houfe was now in a differ ent fituation from what it had been formerly in,' when it refolved that the charge Ilsonld not be print ed. It teemed then to be agreed, that the proper time for printing it would be when the evidence was before ' the Houfe ; and now that the principal papers were before them, it was proper that they thottld be fully enabled to compare the evidence with the charge. ' Mr. ROSE was of opinion, that the Houfe would derive ista advantage from printing the charge at prefent, while the charafter of the Noble Lord might receive no trifling injury from its circulation during the recef. of+arliatnent. Lord DOUGLAS fupported the motion, and took that opportunity of declaring, that he raw nothing in the charge but what was fupported by the papers be. fore the Houfe ; betides, the Noble Marquis's friends had 'repeatedly declared, that his Lordfhip courted an enquiry into his condua. Why did they now &rink from the printing of the charge ? Mr. WINDHAM Aced what was the reafon fot printing papers at all ? Was it not for the ufe of the Members ? And the more numerous and compli cated there papers were, it became the more impor tant that the charg- which they were produced to fupport, fhould alto be printed, that the Houfe migl:t be fully Lble to compare the one with the other. It had been Paid, that falfe imprefEons would be pro. duced ; but he did not fee much danger of that. A great deal of evidence had already been produced in defence of the Noble Lord, and more was un the point of being to : the danger of exparte reprefentations would therefore be much diminifhed. 'I he fooner the Houle had the charge in their hands, and the longer it was in their poffellion, the better able would they be to come to a proper decifion upon it. He did not like the principle of deferring the printing of the charge till all the evidence in defence was before the Houle. That evidence might be Ilaved off till the day of trial,*and thus prevent the charge itfelf from being fully weifhed. Lord CATILEREAGH thought that no prac tical benefit could arife from printing the charge, till they were in poffeflion of the evidence on the part of the defence ' as well as of that on the fide of the profecutior.. li e (h oo k, th ere fore appeal to the can dour of the Houle, whether, in jullice to the Noble Lord, it could be done during the psefent Seffion ? He had no hefitation io laying, from what he had fecn of the evidence, that the charge itfclf would not fall heavily on the bh•ble Marquis. He thought the Honourable Gentleman premature in his motion, and that the firli moment when the charge &mild be printed, was when the evidence on both fides was be fore the Houfe. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER conceived,that the proper time for priming theeharge was, when the evidence brought to fupport it was be fore the Houle, and when a fair comparifon of the two could be made: With regard to its affeling the charader of the Noble Lord, he would aficr why was the evidence in fupport of the charge ordered to be printed ; fince it silo might produce a partial opi ion in the minds of thole who perufed it ? air A. WELLESLEY explained, and Elated, that not a tingle paper of defence had yet been produced. Mr. BAN KS °braved, that charges of fuck a na ture could not be ecnfined to the Houfe, but would he circulated all over the country. Was it decent kilat 04 &Quid lake tog Wore she Houk haki it in their power to come to a decifion ? No peffible advantage could refult from printing the charge, while great prejudice might be done to the Noble Lord; every principle apace, therefore, mull com pel the Houle to withhold in affent to the motion. — The evidence was printed from the very necellity of the cafe, but no fuch neceflity required that the charge lhould he printed. Mr. GRANT was for printing the charge, efpc. cially as he undertlood that the defence to the charge had been printed and circulated very generally amting the Members of that and of the other Houft of Par liament. Mr. It. MARTIN did not conceive that there could be any ferious objeedons to the printing. For his part, if any Gentleman Ibould prnpofe that copies of ir, written in a fine text hand, fhould be made exclu lively for the Members, he had no objeetion (a laugh) —hut while it was allowed that every Member had a right to take a copy of the charge, he faw no means of keeping it altogether from the public, or prevent ing them from forming fume opinion upon it. The final judgment upon the charge would be with that Houle, and he did not perceive that it could be of any conlequence what opinion was haftily adopted elfa. where upon the cubic& Mr. ALEXANDER thought it would be unfair that the charge Ibould be printed before the evidence ' was alto printed on which it was founded. It was ant only in this country that it might be injurious to the charafter of the Noble Marquis, but the printed charge would olio find its way to India, and might there produce an unfavourable impreflion. Dr. LAWRENCE obferved, that in the cafe of Mr. Hailing% printed charges had been in the hands If Members IS months before the trial, and yet he I never then heard it complained of, that that was likely to produce any improper effect. It certainly did not produce any improper effeft upon his Judger, as he afterwards went to his trial, and was acquitted of all the charges. He did not think the Houle fbould permit the friends, relations, and avowed (up porters of the Noble Marquis, to regulate every thing refpetting this charge. Such a compliance would be like that of a very polite Attorney Gen,. sal to Dr. Henfley, who bad been convifted of High Treafon. The Attorney General left it to the Doc tor to appoint the day it would be moll convenient for him to be brought up for judgment ; the Doftor never found a time convenient, but put it affront one time to another, and judgment was newer pronounced. He fh"uld with to know, whether a printed defence of the Marquis had not been generally circulated in that Houle, and through the country, by his friends? —(No, no! from Mr. Wellelley Pole.) —He was glad to hear that this was denied, but perfevered in his opinion, that the Charge ought to be printed. Mr. WEL LESLEY - POLE role, merely to pledge himfelf to this faft, that not a word upon the Cub jeft of this Charge had been written or printed bt the Noble Marquis, or, to the bell of his belief, by any of his friends. Mr. SHERIDAN agreed yrith thole Hopourable Gentlemen who thought the Charge ought not to be printed until the evidence on Vdsh fides were printed alfo. He hoped, however, that that would not take up much time, as he conceived that all the written documents which were defired on either fide had al ready been moved for and obtained. As the Vote- Office was kept open during the Prorogation, he thought there would be abundant time for giving Members the fullefl information on the fubjea Ware next Seffinn. Mr. PAULL laid, he hardly knew how to csprefs himfclf on the fubjea, as he never could irave con ceived any objeAion would be advanced to printing the Charge. The Court of Direftors had already circulated io,ooo copies of the allegat; ag non Marquis Wellefley, which were now in the t..cdc of the people of England. In this printed parer they had accufed him with difobedience of order-, breach of the law, illegal appointments, and A probe ex penditute of the public money. When the pt•blic were in poffeGon of thole allegation , , how could it be Paid there would be any danger in voting the Charge? Upon thefe allegation, the Court of Pro prietors expreind their opinion, when, at a ballot, 960 agreed to refolutions condemning the policy of the Noble Marquis, and only tBo oppored them, amon which number he himfill voted, as conceiving it un fair to prejudge the cafe. Mr. JOHNSTONE hoped the linde would not divide upon a quefiion of In little m tment. If the Charge and the evidence were printed Ingcher, he believed it would appear, upon comparilon, that the Charge was not fupported by proofs. At the fame time it was his opinion,that the Nabob of Oucl« had tuffered confiderable hardtbip and cruelty. When he moved the Refolutions in the Court of Proprietors for re turning thanks to the Court of Direftors, for their firmnefs and decifinn, he exprefsly Rated, that the intention of thnfe Refolutions was by no means to implicate the Noble Marquis; and, therefore, the perfons who voted for them could not be Paid to have declared any opinion upon the (übje& Mr. HOLT LEIGH conceived, that delicacy to fuch an illuftrious chat-atter as the Noble Marquis required that the Charge fhould not be printed with. out the evidence. _ _ . Lord FOLKESTONE was for printing it. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER raid, that, as there appeared little doubt but that the evidence would be loon printed, and as the only ob jedion to printing the ChArge was, that it ought not to be printed before the evidence, he conceived the bell way would be to poilpone the motion for the pre fent. He, therefore, moved the previous quedion. This motion was acquiefced in by Mr. PAULL and Sir A. WELLESLEY, and agreed to without a divifion. ♦UDITORS' BILL. The Honfe went into a Committee on this Bill,and proceeded to fill up the blanks. On the claufe being read for granting a falary of tsool. per ann. to the Chief Commilllnner, and 120,1. per ann. to the remaining Comnuflioner,, Mr.BANKES appeared to confider the &larks too high, and that it would be better to increafe the fa lades of the perfnns employed in an inferior fitua lion. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER raid. the reafon the falaries weie railed from wool. to 'soul. pet; annum wa., that it was thought right to put thole Commillioners on a footing with the Commiffioners of the other principal Boards. filch as Facile and Cuftoms. The filtration iciluircd as much talents, as much exertion, and ought to be in every fenfe of the word as refpelably filled. Afters few words from Mr. HUSKISSON, the Bill palled the Committee, and the report war order ed to be received to-morrow. WEST INDIA TRADE HILL. On the Order being read for the further confidera. Lion of the Report, Lord CASTLEREAGH hoped the Noble Lord would not proceed in the bufinefs to-night, as many Gentlemen had gone away on the fuppofitivo that on. cm on ple eo j •e wh u o nt ha o d t t t h a e l a m bfe a n n ce a o c f . a N t it iv w e on p uh a ll !t nL i o n otr i dc ;t m r ( o Te ducing the Bill. Thole Gentle men might with to deliver their fentiments, both in the prelatic Rage, and when the Bill &could be in the Committee, and alto upon the third reading...-. He hoped, from the candour of the Noble Lord, that he would agree to poftpone this bufinefs du a future night. Ile CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQYER (aid, he could not forego the bringing forward . 1 A• meafure in its regular courfe. He could not fee' - any reafon why Gentlemen, who wifhed to debate it, &mild have left the Houle. They had notice, both from the orders of the Houle, and by exprefs communication from himfelf, that it would come ors this day, and he could not conceive what circum. fiance could make them underftand that it was not to come on. He could not delay meafores of im portance, merely becaufe Gentlemen did not chute to attend. Mr. YORKE and Mr. HUSKISSON confidered, ' that it would be improper to prefs forward a befi. nets of fuels importance, in the abfence of Otentleinen who willed to be prefent at the difcullion of it. The ATTORNEY GENERAL thought, that no fufficient reafon had been affigned 'fen the Wince of any Member who wilted to be prefent, at the direst fion. If they had but taken the trouble of afking if the bufinefs would come on, they wooed have been anfwered in the affirmative. Sir C. PRICE expretfcd a hope, that when the difcuffion came on, he would be able to advance fome new grounds, which might influence inang Members to change their-opinion. Mr. WINDHAM allowed* wiut ettßoMary to poftpone a bufinefs when a (efficient reek was af- Signed, but not when there was no reafodlit all, but merely that feveral Gentlemen who were i* the ha bit of (peaking upon the queftion, chofe to abfent themfelves this night. The only fat that the Hon& knew was, that tbofe Gentlemen were not in their places ;'but as to the allegation of the Noble Lord, that they uncles-flood the bufinefs was not to come on, he was at a lots to conceive what could have in• cliued them to think fo. Lord CASTLEREAGH, with fonsq warmth, Paid that the Noble Lord (H. Petty). 'when b e bad been longer in office, would learn, that it was not the wit fair and prudent exercife of his authority to prefs fubjelts forward to difinffion in the abfence of thole who could affil materially in the difeuffion Mr. GILES thought, that the bufinefs thould not be retarded merely on an allegation, that Come Mem bers had mifunderftood what they would have known if they had but taken the trouble to inquire. ' After a few obfervations from Sir J.PULTENEY, the Bill paged the Committee, was ordered to be en• groffed, and read a third time to morrow feonight. MILITIA BILL- • Mr. Secretary WINDHAM moved the fecood reading of the Militia Bill. Mr. YORKE took notice, that the Bill extended only to England : he witted to know whither Scot land was intended to be exempted from it ? Sir W. ELFORD did not fee at what period the fuipenfion of the ballot and the fulifiitution of the bounty was to operate. Lord CASTLEREAGH could ea6ly conceive s that there might be many reafOnsa found policy fpe making a difference between Ireland and England in this reipett, as the anal mode in Ireland was re. eruiting the Militia by bounties, but he faw no ;Salon why this INII fhould not mention Scotland as well as England. He hoped the Right Hon. Gentleman would be more explicit. Mr. WINDHAM (aid, that when he had any mea. lure of that fort to propnfe, it would be time for him to be explicit on the fubjeß. The claufe for the Suf. petition of the Ballot in England would operate, When the Militia lhould be reduced to the number ;t whiek it was intended that they Ihnuld remain. ' ' Sir JAMES PULTENEY was of opinion, that it would be of great advantag, to have all the regiment! of Militia changed into regular regiments, but kept in their relpettive counties in time et peace. • • The Bill was then read a fecund time. 0001 CHAILOII AOAINIT TH 1 MARCWIS ',SLUM IY. Mr. PAULL then moved the Order of tl.e Day, for returning the Committee on the Charges again* Lord Wellefley. The Houfe accordingly refoLved itfelf into a Committee, when General St. Leger was called in, and examined by Mr. PAULL. 'l'he interrogatories chiefly related to the liteation of the 37th regiment of Light Dragoons, their miners and pay, while forming part of the troops under the command of the General. The ex.; amination was very fpeedily concluded t and the General being ordered to withdraw, Mr. PAULL laid, he bad now ftnifhed the exami nation of all the witneffes he thought it net:airy ter produce in fupport of this Charge, unless it Mould appear requifite, upon the produition of fome ac counts for which he had moved, to alt Come quellkos of the Military Auditor in India during the fame period. The Chairman then left the Chair, and reported progrels. Mr. PAULL Paid, the principal reafon why he had brought forward General St. Leger, was to learn from his anfwers Come particulars refpetchng the muf ters and pay returns of the 27th regiment ; the dm:* ments for which he had tome time finee moved, but the return to the order then made was not to be ob tained from the India Houli. He now moved, that the return to the laid order of the sth of June, be made forthwith.—Ordered. civil. LIM Mr. VANSITTA RT moved, in the anal form, fer a return f the fumy ordered by his Majcfly to be difburfed from the Civil Liii Revenues, purfuant to addreffes of this Houle, which had not yet been made good.—Ordered. • After fame ordinary routine buftnefx, the Houle adjourned at ten o'clock. i