Star. — London, England, 1806-06-17 00:00:00

• Mr.W. DIYNDAS adverted to the heavy musette which his Noble Relative had been -pot to, and oh Iferved, that the queftion when the Nobleraord (Petty) !'poke, turned upnn the delay which might take place in the courfe of the vial, but it In happened that there was no erviordinsry delay in any . patt of the proceedings.—The mu•ion was then agreed to, and a Committee appointed, confitling of Mr. Fox, Mr. • Whitbread, Lewd Hnwiek, H. Pet'''. kc. &c. enarswicw psrelousaa Lord HOWICK faid, that he felt himfelf at pre test under the needfity of pollponing the motions of which Ise bad given notice, relative to ameliorating Me &nation o f the Greenwich Peofoners, as it was found mere regular, that they fivooold come in the form of a 'Waage from the King. He should at prtfent content himfelf with moving for revere) pa. pens on the fubjed. He therefore moved, that there be laid before the Hours, a copy of a minute, dated the Stb Ma. from the Governors of Greenwich Hof- pical. relative to the improvement of its funds. Mr. CANNING egpreffed himfelf happy, that at length a recognition of his Majesty's prerGgAtive had been made $ and that. in the pretent instance. the more fit and decorous method of a Meftage from the Crown was to be retorted tio. He was happy, that • that*. in the cafe of the additional pay granted in the Mutiny Bill, which was analogous to the preterit, frome of his Majeßy's Minifiers had not thought fit to priffue this regular method, and had taken the fhort tut to popularity, yet the Noble Lord adhered to the old method of originating boons of this kind horn the Crown. Lord HOWICK *plied, that he was not aware that any analogy trifled between the prefent cafe, and ghat to which the Right Honourable Gentleman had alluded. The objett of the prefent meafure was, to incresfe the emoluments of the out penlioners of Geenwich Hofpital, by means of a grant of prize mo tley, which was the property of the Crown, and could not be bellowed without its cor fent. However much be might with for the good opinion of the Right Ho nourable Gentleman, yet, as the compliment he had thought fit to pay to him, was given by way of con trail with the condo & of his colleagues in Admini. titration, he would much rather difelaim it altogether. lie then moved for an account of the Revenue and txpenditure of Greenwich Hofpital, in the year end ing on the 3 ill of December Taft : alfo a Copy of a Minute from the Supervifor of the Cheri of Green wich, relative to the amelioration of the Rate of the out penlioners ; together with an account of the Re 'venue and Expenditure of the Chet for die left year; all which were ordered. • WIST.INI/I• tOMMiItIONIte SILL. Ur, HAWTHORNE brought up the Report of the Committee on this Bill, which was taken into further confideration. It befog propofed to fill up a blank by the word two, Mr. ROSE,contended, that from the prefent form of the bill, there was no certainty that any of the .Commiffioners would go to the Weft Indies. He therefore wifhed a claufe to be introduced, enaning that three of the Commiffioners fhould proceed t. , the Weft Indies, to fulfil the purpofes of the Commiffiois ; and that if any one thould die, his place Ihould be im mediately filled op. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEZIER re plied, that the number of the Commiffiouers fent out might be altered according to circumaances. Mr. PERCEVAL remarked, that much the greaten weight of duty exifled in the Well Indies, where alas t much greater mortality was to be dread ed. It was therefore prepollerour, that of a Board itOnillting of Ave, the largeft proportion fhould remain bare, where there was Co little to be done, and only two be fent out to the Weft Indies. Lord HOWICK replied, that all the voluminous pccounts already received were to be brought up by theCneniniffioners in this country. The great weight of bufinefs would be at home, at leaft for the prefent, and the Treafury would have it in their power to fend out more if neceiTary. Mr. LONG and the CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER each (poke Ihortly on the fubjeet. Mr. MORRIS conceived, that it would not be the hullo's(' of the Commiffioners fent out to form any judgment on the fubjeets that might come before b• but merely to invefligate and tranfmit the evi. dame on the fiabjea of abufes, on which the Commit. loners here,might decide, and grant to Public Ac stbuntants a certificate of allowance, or PA, as they might fee eaufe, to be delivered in to the General Auditors of Public Accounts. Mr. RYDER contended, that the Cornmillioners would be much better able to decide on the fpot *here the Modes were committed. The prefer.: he tonfklered as a meafure calculated merely to promcre patronage, and as hill more glaring in that Mini. Agra, who had pledged thendelvei not to Ipend lugle guinea of the public money unneceltarily. Mr. WILLIAM SMITH conteadcd, that the hu fuses here made it neceffaty for three of the Corn miffioners to remain in this country. The SPEAKER then obrervr d, that, on the quell tion now before the Houle, the future motion of the Right Hon. Gentleman (Mr. Role), would depend. ' If the blank were now filled up by the two, every Insure alteration would be precluded, The Houfe then divided—For the dance 71— Againft it z t —Majority 5 t. Upon our return to the Gallery we found Mr. HUSKISSON on his legs, urging fome further ob• jeftions to the Bill. To which objeCtions Lord HENRY PETTY replied, allcd A ing that the mea fure was calculated to fecure a complete and fpeedy inveftigation of the abufes complained of, and alto to guard againft their recurrence. Mr. ROSE repeated his former affertion, that the places about to he created by the Bill would be mere finecures, and ferve only to extend Minifierial patro nage. This afTertion the Right Honourable Gentle. man exprefTed his refolution to repeat again and again, however it might be refilled by the Noble Lord, who ought, in his judgment, to have fought much more experience before he had ventured to originate a meafure of this nature, which betrayed a total ignorance of official bonnets. Lord HOWICK expreffed his furprife at the quar ter from which the Houle had juR heard filch vehe ment objeCtions againfl finecures. (A try of bear! hear I) After much lofty declamation upon political purity—after fuch high tones of independence—and filch ardent expretlions of folicitude for the economic expenditure of the public money, the Houle would naturally look for come evidence of t e Right Rea. Gentleman's fincerity, and no doubt that fincerity would be evinced very loon, perhaps to morrow, by the Right Honourable Gentleman's refignatien to his Sovereign, of the finecute which he him felf held-- ( Ariem/ laugh J—With regard to the Right Hontur - able Gentleman's allufion to his Noble Friend LPetty's) want of experienee it was true the Nobl e ord obferved that hi s Noble Friend was not p fend of that experience which might be looked for from a veteran in office. There was, however, a great deal of the experience to which, perhaps, the' political fuccefs of the Right Honourable Gentleman was owing, which be rather thought not del - treble to hia Noble Friend ; while foci experience as was really valuable, could not be difficult nf attainment to that affiduous application of aflive talents for which his Noble Friend was fo eminently dillingnithed.- 13ut upon the fubjeft of want of experience in the arrangement of this meafure, the Right Honourable Gentleman dealt, in feet, only in a!fertion—for expeti ence, even very recent, was in favour of that prowl lion in the Bill of which the Right Hnn. Gentleman complained. It was notorious that in confequence of the fending home one of the Commiffioners from the Weft Indies in the cottrfe of the lift Adminiltra lion, the inquiries of the Commiffionets were materi• ally Allied, and frauds to a great amount were dif , covered. Therefore the Right Hon. Gentleman's affertion was not entitled en credence. It was grange, the Noble Lord obferved, how refolute the Right Hon. Gentleman and his Friends were to carry on debate. He had hoped that the debate, on this fub jed at lean, was at an end before this evening; but I I the Right Hon. Gentleman and Co. Hill determined ' to perlevere—rather mote, to be fine, in bringing for ward accufations again( Minillers than in adducing arguments againft their meafures. Among thofe ac• cufed indeed, he underftood the Right Hon. Gentle man had thought proper on a former oceafion to in clude him—principally, as he was informed, in conic qucnte of tome appointments that were recently made in the department over which he had the honour to ptefide. Had he been prefent at the time the accufa tion was made by that Right Hon.Gentleman,he molt prcbably fhould not have felt it necelfary to take any notice of it. But he now thought it proper fbortly to remark upcn the cafes alluded to. And 6tH, with regard to the removal of Sir A. Hammond from the Navy Board, the fart war, that the Hon. Baronet had made application flr leave to refign before the patent of his appointment to the Admiralty was ac; tually made out. The application was acceded to o and he had felt it his duty to recommend that the Honourable Baronet fhould, as is ulual in loch cafes, be alloWed three-fourths of his falary during life.— At the fame time he had to mention, that the realm of this grant was folely on account of the Honourable Baronet's length of Cervices. The Noble Lord ad ded that tile ground of the Honourable Paronet's application for leave to refign, was indifvfition and c nfequent inability to attend to the duties of the office ; but yet he was happy to fee that the lion”ur able Baronet was already to fir recovered as to he able to attend all the debates r f that Houle (a /au;/.). To Sir Andrew Hammond a fucceffitt (Captain Die ken,) v. as appointed, in every point of view tioc.xcep. tionable ; but this Gentleman being dilqualified by Rinds to net, Captain Nicholls, an officer of character equally unqueltionable, was lubllituted for him. Of the other three new appointments mule in the naval department the Noble Lord declared,that fo far from having any view to patronage, the only defire was to procure perfons capable of an efficient difcharge of duty in a branch of (mite where loch efficiency was but too vifibly wanted ; and of thole who were ap pointed he had to Rate that not one was at all known to hinsfelf or any of his colleagues in any other way than from the report of their qualifications. There was a fifth appointment about to be midi: in his de partment to which, perhaps, fomc part of the Right Honourable Gentleman's cenfure noght he pointed. That was with regard to Sir Charles Saxton% Office et Portfmouth. That Officer's age unfitting him for his prefent Ration, was about to retire, but requir ed that which he thought it his duty to refill, namely, that he Ihould be allowed to retain the whole of his falary. Upon the retirement of that Hon. Baronet, the Noble Lord Hated his intention of recommending an officer (Captain Grey) to fucceed him, his connec tirm with whom fliould nut prevent him from laying that he was fully qualified for the office (a cry oil Hear! Hear !). With refpeet then to the cantina of the navy, the Noble Lord felt that the Right Hon. Gentleman's imputations were as unfounded as thofe which he had thought proper to direet again!' the proceedings of his Noble Friend, and the meafure before the Honfe. Mr. ROSE thanked the Noble Lord for the oppor turity afforded him by the allufmn which he had thought proper to make to the fubjeft, of explaining the linecure granted to him. He was before difpofcd to do fo, but he now felt it to :se neceffary, and fhould enter into the explanation upon a future day. The Right Honourable Gentleman panegyrifed the talents and public fervices of Sir A. Hammond. Mr. S. BOURNE was afkoniffied at the line of ar gument taken by the Noble Lord who fpoke !all but one—namely, that becaufe a public man held a par ticular linecure, he fhould be precluded from objedt ing to the eltablifhment of any further finecures.— Would the Noble Lord argue, that in enufequeuce of his Right Hon. Friend the Secretary of State for Fo-! reign Affairs holding two fi necuret, (Mr. Role ex claimed tbree), and his Noble Friend at the head of the Treafury holding two, they were l difqualified to refill the propufitinn of any new finecUres ? It the Noble Lord would rot contend for that, upon what grounds could he call upon his Right Hon. Friend, (Mr. Role) who had got a linecure, ‘vhich War but a jult reward for 3o years great public fervices, ro (hut his mouth, and fay nothing upon fuck a mea lute as that before the Houle ? With regard to the official cooduet of the Noble Lord, he did not be• lieve that it was the ir.reotion of Iris Right Honour able Friend to cab the flightell imputation upon it. But yet he could not help fsyinF„ that he was forty the Noble Lord did not, in the admitAration of his office, rather aft upon his own good judgment than follow the advice of other. The ATTORNEY GENERAL commented upon the (pecks of experience of which the Right lion. Gentleman on the ether fide (Mr. Rofe) teemed to be fo very proud. This experience confined in a knowledge, for the lalt 20 year., of the abufes which it was the objeft of the Bill before the House to cur. red, and yet ne adeqtlata Meartiremat ever taken by the Right Hon. Gentleman, or his colleagues, to put a Bop to them. No; the Right Hoe. Gentle ma's , and his colleagues were rewiring on the .'.Bed of Rofes" which they were now using every endeay.wr in their power to render unealy to 'heir fucceirtts.— With regard to the Bill before the Houle, he could not conceive any rearon fur the earnelt oppolition made to the provifi m for appoimiag a part of the propofed Commiffinners to inquire; in this country, into the ahlifes committed in the Well Indies. Fur he could not frippore it potrible that any Member of Parliament would carry his tolkitude IT public ac countants,introduced to office through '•is patronage, fo very far as to filcher the condo& of fuck aCCOIIII tants as had taken refuge in this country, from any invelligation whatever. Mr JOHNSTONE, adverting to the " bed of torts" alluded to by the salt Speaker, obferved, that when he fith heard the phrafe he was certa:nly rather furpriled at it. But, upon fubjequent reflation, fee itv, that the Gentlemen on one fide felt fo much regret o;1 leaving it, and the Gentlemen on the other fide fo touch anxiety to get into it, he could not help think ing that there ...oqs rowelling in the place much better than lie had at &ft imagined With regard to the crimivation and recrimination upon the fubje& of firiecures, &c. which the Hnufe had witneffed from both fides of the Houle, loch a praeice might avail fnmething among the parties themfelve4, but could have no effect for or againft any propofil ion upon the minds of independent men, or when addretfed to the difpaffionate under (landing of the country. It was of little confequence to thofe who were anxious for the right to find that both parties were wrong. In the cafe before the Houle, he thought that Come of the propofed Commiffioners would be ureters ; and it was no defence for thole who propofed the Bill to make out that their opponents had alto created finecurcs. On the contrary, whenever the prefent Knitters fbould be guilty of any thing prodigal or arbitrary, he would think their guilt, considering their former profthions, greeter in a tenfold degree than that of their predeceffors. When in Oppofition, thole Gen tlemen were perpetually proferfing a love of ceconomy, an hatred of arbitrary power, and a defire to limit the increafing patronage of the Crown. For the ful filment of there profellions he had twitted fince their acceffion to Office. But he had looked in vain, and he had recently feen them from the lull of patronage make a molt extraordinary ufe of prerogative in order to difmif, from office an old, meritorious, .and highly nfeful fervant of tlse public (Sir G. Barlow). From the condtte, therefore, of fuck Ministers, the Hon. Gentleman profelfed his incapacity to entertain a hope of much public good. Lord HOW!CK, in allufion to the remarks of an Honourable Gentleman on the other fide (Mr. S Bourne), obferved, that having been but a Osort time in office, and being comparatively unacquainted with the bufinefs of his department, he fhould feel it a great prefumption for him to ad without taking the advice of where. Dr. LAWREYCE wondered that the Honourable Gentleman had been fo many mon•hs in making up his mind, whether the exprctlion tifed by a Noble Lord was or was not applicable? He then proceeded to argue in favour of the Bi:). on the general grounds of the enormity of the exilling abates, and the ne ceffity of a thorough inveftigation of them. Sir WM. YOUNG took notice of one great foorce of fraud, from the different rates of etchango in the different illaads. Other frauds could he Deft exa mined in England, as thofe upon whom the bills were drawn would be belt able to explain the circum glances of each tranfadion. Mr. ROSE, in his own vindication, thought it ne Ceirat f to Rate, th it no lufpicion had been entertained of thole abufils till the year 1797, and that a Bill had been brought in the next year. He himfelf went out of office in the year I 800, and therefore had no oppor tunity of watching the progrefs of the tranfaftions of the Committee. The Learned Gentleman (Dr. Law rence) had an, about twenty years ago, held an office connated - with the public accounts, and yet he did not himfelf bring forward any of the meafures he now found In neceffary. When Gentlemen reproached I bim about finecure places. they fhould confider h :w far that oblation would extend, and to whom it might be applied. • ' TUESDAY, JUNE r 7. MICR OP STOCK .4 l'HiS DAY AT ONE O'CLOCK: Cfroft,l4, for ors. 6z —Red ,ced 60i. Ornalum jut) , 4 I 1 - OF ST UCK , YESTERDAY. Bank Sfoek 3 p. Ct. Red. Ann. 6D};;} 3 p r Cent. Conf. Ann. flint 4 per Cent. s per Cent. Navy Otut I• (113 Bond., t • MI. • Impedelj pe• Cent. 391 Imperial A ... 9.16 Etch. Bins to. dlr. Is. ran. Osmium, 11 rem. We have received Paris Journals to the t Ith and Duzz.h to the tsth intl. An article from the Hague, June to, Rates the arrival there the preceding day from Paris of Admi ral VERNUEL and Van STYRUts, two of t.. Deputies who furrendered to BONAPARTE the Liberties of 1101. land. Mars. GOCEL and St x, who had accomparird them, were expetted the following d :+y. His Excellency M. VERHURL, after vifiting the Grand penfionacy, and the Prefid:nt of r' •_ir High Mightinetes, had a conference with the Secretaries of State. VERHORL commenced his career, by delivering to the Secretaries of State plans of Ya• dons new taxes, which Lours Narotson, the King. of Holland, had charged him to recommend to th, r immediate confideration and adoption I %remittal. then proceeded farther to open his Commißion by ti e King of Holland's order. He repaired to the C cil ; and afterwards, in a Convention of their Hi, s h Mishandles, announced the accelSon of Louis Na ►OLicN to the Kingdom of Holland ! The Prefident thanked Veanust. for his important communication. and prayed for the happinefo of the people and the country—under this New Order of Things ! The Proclamation, &c. of Louis NAPOLEON, by which he condefeends to accept " the Royal Dignity of King of Holland, agreeably to fhe willes of the People," was then publithed throughout every ftreetin the Hague.—This remarkable Paper concludes thus : u Given at Paris, at sch June, iBo6, being tha Firft " Year of Our Monarchical Government." We ought, however, to fiat, that a letter, dated Rotterdam, the t ith inf. received yelerclay, Rates, that Ring Loots had died fuddenly on his way to the Hague : but this report is not entitled to much credit ; for according to the Paris Papers, he was not to fet out on his journey till the nth, the day oa which his death was reported at Rotterdam. The Mcmikar of the 7th contains a copy of the PrutEan Proclamation, by which Anfpach is tranf ferred to Bavaria. The difference refpeaing Caftan" h at length ter minated. The evacuation of that pat by the Ruf fians, or, at leaft, the iffue of orders for that parpofe, is officially announced in the Mailaw of the Bth inftant. The French armies are in confequenee im mediately to retire from Germany, and Brannan is to be reftored to Auftria. In announcing this in telligence to the French nation and army, the latter of whom are immediately to repair to Paris, to enjoy the promifed military file, care is taken to inform all Europe, that England is thk common difturber of the Continent, the tyrant of the fea, the eternal enemy of nations, Sec." Is it by the employment of fuch grofs and offenfive terms, i■ an Official Paper, that a high.minded nation is to be foftened, conciliated, and rendered fit to receive pacific impreffions ? The Literary Cabinet of BONA - has written, long philippic in anfwer to a paffage in Mr. Fox's fpeech on the Mutiny Bill. It would anfwer very little purpofe to controvert the itatements of this political commentator. When he talks of ferry regiments neceffary for the mainte• name of our power in the Eaft Indies, and of two for the defence of Gibraltar, he (hews that he knows nothing of the nature and condition of our eftablilh• :Dents or our garrifons. M. D'Oo sato is faid to be on his way to Paris, to negotiate for the Ruffian prifoners. Letters from Berlin in the Dutch Papers of the Lith init. fay, that '6 Baron Haan o was about to fet out from thence for London, on a fpecial million." The Funds yellerday experienced an additional rife. and there were come confiderable purchafes. The (peculation is fimilar to that we mentioned yefierday. A negocistion is expelled to take place in conjund ion with Ruifia. The letters and papers from the Conti. neat encourage this expedation ; but we cannot view it as founded upon any authentic information. Wednefday a duel took place at .blin between lk_ Captain E--- and J—n, when the latter received a flight wound in the arm. The 83d Regiment are on their route from San down barracks to Cbichetler. The Aurora, STILINGIL ; Parthian, Mosrs , Nile, HANNAH, and the Phoebe, Jona, from Jamaica for London. are attired at Cork. On the r tth inn. Dr. HIRD/4 am of Cbarlotte•flreet, Noomfbury, was dated one of the Phyficians to the ity difpenfaty. A ditpenfation has paffcd the Great Seal to ens• ble the Rev. J. M. GBOKOZ LEFROY, to hold the Reanry of Compton, Surrey, upon the presentation of Mrs. BRYDGIS, of Canterbury, Ins paternal Grandmother, together with the Rellory of Aflie, Hants, both vacant by the death of his late tathcr. The Trial of Lord Mht.vii.t.s being concludes. .lAm rs ASPllMl,Liaokteller, at the Bible, Crown, and cinitiintion. 33, Cornhill, has collated fuch Mate. rials.a. enable, him to publifh on Thutflay. mice 3s. 6 I. a c urea and impartial 4cport oleic whole pro. e:edings. It will contain every argument and every COMMIT'S' OF SUPPLY. The Houk went Into a Committee of Suirly. The Petition of Mars. Chalmers and Cowic fee compenfltinn fo- the loffe+ fur. tattled by the ptrlihing of a cargo of Swedith herrings In the Baltic, was taken into coo fitieration. Mr. W. SMITH moved that a turn of 25=01. be granted to the fald Gentlemen as • remuneration. The motion was fup ported by the CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER, Dr. LAWRENCE. ate. and oppofed by Mr. LONG, Mr. ROST', Mr. HUSKISSON, &e. After a con6derable debate the Haifa divided upon the qualtionAyes 59—Noes tit—Majority 48. The Hnuk being refueled, the Report was ordered to be re. ceived tomorrow. CORN INTERCOURSI RILL. On the motion of Sir JOHN NEWPORT, the Houfe went into a Committee on the Corn Intercourfe Bill. Mr. FOSTER introduced a Claufe for regulating the Oldie. and Bomalei by the averages of the import and export prices of the whole Empire, taken quarterly. He propolcd if the claufe were received, that the Bill Mould be printed, and undergo a future re committal. Sir JOHN NEWPORT was allteC from any thing that was likely to acute &lay, and more f. to any thing that .hreatetted to pottpone the pagans of the Elil during the prefcm felon. Mr. W. SMITH, Sir R. PEELE. and Mr. SCOT F, Rated •he treat importance of the fubJeta. Mr. FAULKNER complaioed with very great warmth of the thinner. of the Houle on every Ira qucitioa. Since he had he. aurae a Member of the Imperial Fatlianwan, be had felt feverely that which he would not expref a Lard TEMPLE defended the Houfe from the implication of his Hon Friend, and 'rutted, that not a man In It was lefs anxious for the. into car of Ireland, than fur thole of any other part of the Empire. Mr. FOSTER, while he admired the warmth of his Hon Friend, could not admit that this was an lrilh qui Ilion. It was an Imperial cue. Mr. PA'ITESON eapreffed Nal& unfriendly to the new 1 clattre. After a few words from Mr. ALEXANDER, Lord DE BLA QUIERE, and Mr. WESTERN, the claufe, together with ano. thee, was agreed to pesfrera, and the Houle havieg t eLn raf °mt.!, 1 the report was rcecived,Ord L ted to be taken Vt. turther confider ation on Friday, and to be printed with the asocndrovnts. The COMlAittee on the Thread Laceßlll was poftponed till to morrow. The Irith Pot! Road Den went through a Committee In which fait necefrary to put the public into complete poffif the blank. were hika cp, and a lone place no c a: 1 lion of the whole cafe, and be dis p ui a ar t I t h ic ati a nt ri e n tiny of chutes 1 / a rmlet:of by the dare. [PI in rbcrs for irelan.. at a price within the reach of every Read,,, 11. The report was Ind, red to be reeeiv.d on Monday. ' therefore hopes they will tsT The other Orders of ew Day were poileaned, nod at one o'clock the Hyde adjourned. Aaraattea Ldition. SI tn. and the $ ]lies lol• rird the ligh ties by te.t • r II e 'in- - 1 611 g 41.- cot OR, the ' by itT the till ls lrft ed es, , ' to ch tot OR he !e. ti- re, th n. is n. cr rj dl to IT :h at ei rt to Ma to he ut ial re. he ty. on iti• GW .en .ed in. for eet, ;he ;ne. the ;ion nal flu. Ind ro. fe r 1 1 . • 1, lie ag •