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gatni's conduct &Wards her Royal Highness, but much respect when he spoke to her. Do Lord RLLENBOROUGH.-4 was alone when this ac. cident happened ; others ol‘the suite were farther on the road. The Secretary of State at Rome, finding that I was in the sight, ar.l that it was a misfortune, got me my liberty. Do you knew whether her Royal Highness wrote in &vim of you to Rome upon that occasion? Mr. DENMAN objected to that question. Li:litenatit Jolla FLTIIN teas then called in, and Emoninsd by Mr. evidence should be read from tb. tutee, which was accord ' ingly done. , o: root The witness was recalled, when . , . • *., The LORD CHANCELLOR witrurmalbat Where did you make out the ' ?—The aftlial paw was made out on board the vessel froth 'Messina to Catania. Where did you make out the copy?-0a board the ship. Did you make out the original memorandum on board the olacre ?—Yes. Where did you make the copy?—On board, going round the Id of May. She was blown out on the 6th, (none of her cargo' discharged), with all the vessels in the Reeds, during a heavy gale, which continued till the 10th; and the Norfolk and two brigs bad not renamed on the 96th. • The St. Pierre, Gatniza, of and for Cette, from Calais, was on shore neat that place on Friday, and bad lost her rudder— cargo discharging. The Bee, of and from Cleepsow, to Dublin, foundered in the Bristol Channel, on the 16th ult. • Fausownt, OCTOBILL 7,--Wind L.—Sailed, the Lady Louisa packet, With a Mail for Jamaica. Yansocza, Oceosas 7.—The Oscar, Pitman, from North Beeps for Barcelona, sunk after coming off Haisborougis Sand this morning : crew saved. NOS= SIMMS, OCTOINIS 6.—Arrived, tint Granville Bay, M•Vitzt.ust, from Davis' Straits, with 15 fish, 150 tuns. The Trident, PAll2llllOlc got upon the Narrows ow Friday, but was got off the following day, and brought in here leaky. DIAL, Oct.. N.E.—Arrived the Clio, Maw, from Akan, and sailed for Virginia. Came down from the River and sidled, the Bombay Merchant, Cumming, for Bombay. Ponsmoozu Oct. 9.—Wind N.N.E.--Arrived the Bombay Merchant, fro m London for I3osnbay ; Riga, FOUTS*, from ditto forHavannah ; and Concord,Witaannr, from Petersburgh. Sailed his Majesty's ship Bestow, to the Westward. Comom./lousr, LONDON, Ocsozza 9.—Entered Inwards:— The Fox, from Ostend ; Vigilante, from Rotterdam; John, from Diagranon ; Guts Hornung, from Tanning= ; Sappho, from Archangel; May, from Batavia; Elizabeth Sarah, from Odessa; Mayflower, from Archangel; Endeavour, from Col chester; and Provid e nce , from Rotterdam. Entere d Outwards: —The Dorset, for Antwerp; Industrie / for Rotterdam; Car shakon, fur Jamaica; Prince of Waterloo, for Ostend; and Mar garet, for Dominica. Cleared Outwards :—The Fortitude, for St. Kitt's ; Science, for Cape Castle; Onverwagt, for Amsterdam. Aaanr.o—At Cadiz, the China, Whittier, from Guayaquil. At Stettin, Bellona, Kidd, from London. At Pam Itierstar , Robertson, from London. At Hansburgh, Nelly, Gill ; Tiber: Roane • and' Gough, Custance, from London. At Rochelle (with d amage), Aurora, Leconstre, from Bourdeauz. At Havre N'row Alida, from London. At Rouen, fit. Pierre, from Lon! don, At Quillebreuf, Charles, Agnew, from London. At Cadiz, Spanish Patriot and Archimedes, from London. At Gibraltar, Sicily, Cupper ; and Seneca, Bell, from London; Antelope, Riven, from Southampton; Laurel, Nicholson; and Mary, Drew, from Liverpool. At Petersburgh, Paris, Ward; and Alert, M'Dougal, from London; and Grace, Hall, from. Hull. At Madeira, Madeira Packet, Allan, from London. Is4nT. Wu the copy made from the original ?—Yes, with a very few Ines, which have not been copied. Are they faithful extracts, so far as they purport to be et tracts?—They do net contain an account of the whole transac tions; they contain but scene particulars, such as dams, and the names of several places. By the.Sotmerroa-Gaintam.—Look at the paper, but do not read it. State how long you were on the wage from Jaffa to Tunis P—We sailed en $e lith of July, and arrived at Syra cuse on the 30th of August. On the voyage from Jaffa to Tunis, where did Bergamo' sleep? I—ln the dining-room. Did he sleep there every night?—He did, to the best of my recollection. Duxes. I am a Lieutenant in the Royal Navy, and am now stationed in Sicily. I saw her Royal Highness at Messina. in March, 1615. I took the command of a gun-boat. Her Royal Highness ap plied to me to proceed with her on a voyage to Constanti nople, and other places. A polacca was hired for that pur pose, and her Royal Highness gave me the command of her. I fitted up the cabins in the polacca according to the order of her Royal Highness, and at her expense. When we got to Tunis a surgeon came on board. I believe he is not now living. I have heard he is not. When we were at Tunis it became neces sary to change the bed-rooms. Bergami's room was changed from the neighbourhood of the dining-room to the after cabin on the right-hand aide of the ship. I know the bed-rooms occupied by the Princess and Berganii during the whole voyage. . From the situation in which the bed-rooms were placed, was it possible for the Princess and Bergainl to see one another in bed say no—lt was not possible. Witness continued :—I was sometimes called for by her !Loyal Highness, to know how the weather was. She called me sometimes from the cabin, and also when she slept under a tent oat deck.—What was Garciulo's situation in the polacca? He was Captain of the ship. Bat I was considered acting Captain, by order of her Royal Highness, and all orders that came from het Royal Highness were given by me as Captain of the ship. Did Garciulo's situation call him particularly to attend her !Wel Highness's person on board?—No; assuredly not. If she had to go down stairs for a necessary purpose, was it likely that Gam-halo would know it? Was there anything in his duty to call him to know that ? The Soeierroa-Grossaat. objected to the question.—The ques tion was not pressed. Garciulo's duty was to attend to the men, and it was not ne cessary that he should be in the part of th e ship appropriated to her Royal Highness. Was it his 'duty to attend to her Royal Highness at all, except you gave him orders to do so ?—Not at all. The Captain of the ship took orders from me. It was his duty. The teat on the deck was within three or four feet from the steersman during the night and day. On the return from Jaffa I slept en the deck once, within five feet of the tent.—. The steersman might hear what passed in the tent puecalty. A conversation such as usually takes place between two peruse might be heard where the steersman was and where I was. I never heard any conversation. I was near enough to hear. The tent did not cover the whole of the deck. There was a passage alongside of it. I used to go along that. passage at night. The light was taken away because we heard of pirates at Athens and Milo, and we would not shew a light, which might have discovered us. The light was removed from the tent after that representation was made. There was a ladder that went down to the dining-room ,from the tent. It was kept open at night, for the tent covered the passage, but the opening was always clear. The tub in which her Royal Highness bathed could not go into the Princess's cabin.— I:. was too larg e. lier Royal Highness has called to me In the night, when 1 disturbed her repose by manoeuvring the ship. I was obligee to open the tent when I did not distinctly hear her Royal Highness. On the return from Jaffa, I do not know where be slept. On going out, he slept in the dining-room. The cabin bad two divisions. That of the Princess's was much larger. There was a communication between them ; a door, and two skylights, that opened on the deck. There were guns on deck. I never saw the Princess sitting on a gun, nor in any person's lap. I never saw her with her arms round the neck of any person. I never knew her kiss any one but the child Victorine. I never saw the slightest iteetoptiety nor indecency in her conduct to Bergami or any other person. On Bergami's taking leave, he kissed her hand, which was done by all persons on taking leave. I have been in the Navy about sixteen years. I wear the Orders of Merit and Fidelity, given me by the King of Naples, for taking several privateers while in the Neapolitan navy. I have re ceived the Royal permission to wear one of them. Crass-ermined by the SOLICITOR-GIN/RAU How long were you on the voyage from Tunis to Jaffa 7—l do not recollect exactly. Ido not put you to a day—l ask you about how long 7—Be tween two and three months, I should conceive. How long were you on the voyage from Jaffa to Syracuse? .—Nearly a month. Do you mean to say it was no more?—lt might have been more : I cannot be exact to the day. Will you say it was not two months ?—I cannot say without referring to the paper. [lkre the witness produced a written paper, which he stated tb be a memorandum made on the voyage.] Is that paper the original memorandum?—No, it is a copy. Why did you make the copy ?—Because I thought I might want it hereafter. Where did you make nut the copy from your own original memorandum ?—On the voyage from Messina to Syracuse. Where is the original ?—ln Sicily. For what purpose did you bring the copy ?—I brought it in case I should be asked about any particular circumstances by any friends. Why did you not bring the original ?—Because some part of it concerned particular affairs. Can you tell how long you were on the voyage from Jaffa to Syracuse?—lt might be more than a month. I cannot say with out looking at this paper. It was from one td two months. I cannot say exactly. Was it nearer two months than one month?—l should think it was nearly two months, now that I reflect on it. Will you say it was not more than two mouths?—No, I cannot. The witness was ordered to withdraw. Lord EItSKINE said, the witness who had just withdrawn held a memorandum in his hand, and he stated that he could not recollect a particular date without referring to that memoran dum. It appeared to him that Counsel could not deny to the we.nees the opportunity of refreshing his memory, and at the same time persist in asking him a question which he could not answer without referring to that memorandum. The Soticiron-Granuet said, that the paper held by the wit ness was not the original memorandum, but a copy, taken by him on a subsequent voyage; he submitted to their Lordships that the witness had no right to refresh his memory by looking at that copy. Lord EItSKINE added, that if the ',Fitness were not allowed to refresh his memory, the Counsel was bound to take it with ha defects, hut not to tax it as he bad done. The. LORD CHANCELLOR said, that if the memory'. The following is a copy of a letter from the Under Secretary dam was objected to, and that objection could be sustained, the to the Admiralty, addressed to Mr. J. Bans Err, jun. Lloyd's: n:etuory of the witness might be taxed. 0 Admiralty-Office, Octiaber 7, 1820. Lord LIVERPOOL said, that if the memorandum held by .. Srs — Having laid before my Lords Commissioners of the the witness was made on the voyage from Jaffa to Syracuse, the Admiralty, your letter of this date, submitting, by direction of wi;ness had a right to refresh his memory from it ; but if the the Committee for managing the a ffairs of Lloyd's, the expedi te emorandum was made several years after, during another envy of ordering out some ships of war with supplies for the voyage, he had no right to refer to it. He had only a right to re- relief of the homeward-bound 'Trade, which may be prevented fr,:sh his memory from the facts recorded by him at that time. from getting into port by the north-easterly wind ;I am eons - Lord LANSDOW N said, the %witness held, not the original tnaudid.h their •. • I.orumips to acquaint you, for the information memorandum, but a copy, which, for some reason, he found of the Committee, y that orders are given to the Admirals at more convenient to bring with him. Ile (Lord Lam:town) was p th - and Plymouth, to send out any vessels they can get of opinion that the witness ought to be allowed to refresh his °raimels at for the above purpose.—l am, Sir, your very humble servant, memory from that copy. The question was not, whether it (Signed) " JOHN BARROW." should be received as evidence? but whether the copy, being in his possession, afforded him the best means of refreshing his His Majesty's allip 81411104 Captain MatitTAT, fitting for memory ? foreign service, sailed from Portsmouth yesterday morning, Lord iIARROWDY complained that he could not hear din- with supplies for the numerous homeward-bound vessels which thistly the answers given by the witness. He might, therefore, are no doubt at the entrance of the Channel, detained by con perhaps, have misunderstood him. He understood the witness tear/ wind*, and with orders to cruize till the wind becomes to say, that he had lett the original memorandum behind him in fair for their arrival. Sicily, and had yet taken a copy on his voyage homewards ! The William, M'CADDAM, from Liverpool to Riga, which (Criet o . f No, no; leder ! ) was driven on shore on the 23d alt. on the coast of Jutland, The LORD CHANCRLI.OR read the following passage • and abandoned by the crew, was got off previouseo the 48th, from Phillipps's Lag Evidence—" To assist his memory, a by some people from the Sew, after landing the cargo there. wittrps may'use a written entry in a book, or a memorandum, i and pmeeed for Aalberg. or a copy of a memorandum, such entry or memorandum hay- ! The Margaret, Corns, from Newcastle for eialberg, struck log been made at the time when the fact occurred, or inimedi- on a reef of rocks, on the 27th ult. near the.Scaw ; but was got awl) , afterwards."—Therefore, if the witness swore that the ori- off next morning, and proceeded on her voyage. ginal memorandum was made at the time, and that what he e m_ I The Mount man of war and thelkanicaravax frigate we pleped was mum accurate copy of the original, it seemed to him rived at the Cape of Good Hope on the 25th of July, from that it might be used to refres h his memor y . Bombay, and were to sail in four or five days for England. Lord REY said, the easiest and most simple way was to !. The Magnet, Geawome from Bristol to Philadelphia, put into ca ll on the witness, and to ask him as to the nature of the paper Cork en the 26th ult. having sprung a leak, and is discharging. be held in his han d. If it should a pp ear that he made an entry The Sea Nymph, JACOBS, from Cape Coast Castle to Loudon, it the time, and that the paper was a true and faithful copy of t een ut into the bland' of rrinces in disuesa, and lealiT l soilhas tbatm e inoranduts, no doubt could refresh his memory from it. condemned. - 1,00 lIARK OW BY suggested ; ed UAL p* the ' The 141 4 01 k! 4 4 7 M km* J- 0 ) 41 5 100 ; 11 t Yalu+ the . . ...... . How do you know?—Because I have had frequent occasions to go to pay my respects to her Majesty. Were these the only occasions on which you saw him in bed? —They were. Did her Royal Highness sleep below during the whole of the voyage from is to Jaffa?—l believe she did. When you went to pay your respects to ha Majesty, where was she 2—ln her own room. •In her deeping-room?—Yes. Was she in bed?—No, she wu lying on a ads. Was she dressed or not?—She was dressed. Was Bergami on those occasions in bed ?—He was. Did he speak to you don't recollect the particulars. As I passed he used to say '° Good day." What kind was his bed?—l believe it was an iron bedstawl. Was it a fixture ?—No, it was lashed to the side of the vessel. Do you mean to say that when the door was left open, a per son in the bed of her Royal Highness could not be seen by a person in Bergami's bed ?—I should think not. Now you only think ; did you ever stand in ,a position so as to see whether it could be so or not ?—No, I never did. Was it your duty to attend on her Royal Highness?—No; when I was called on I went; I never went without being sent for. I often went there to dinner, but never without having been called on. Who used to call you ?—From the deck, the sailors. Who called you from the cabin?—The servants. When called on, used you always to go ?—Yes, when called on, but never of my own accord. Did this happen frequently ?-1 0 70. Once, or more?—More than once. Under the tent was there a sofa 7—Yes, there was a sofa and a bed. Whose bed ?—I believe a bed that was put up for young Austin. Who slept In that bed ?—I do not know. , Do you mean to say that the Princess slept In that bed ?—No, she slept on the sofa, not on the bed. How near was the sofa to the bed?—Them was a distance of three or four yards between them. Do you mean to say that there was an interval of space of three or four yards from the bed to the sofa?—From the ewe. mitles of both there was a greater distance; there were more than two yards between the nearest part of the sofa and the nearest pan of the bed. How do you know that her Majesty slept on the sofa ?—Be cause I saw her lying on the sofa at night. Was that the wily reason ?—lt was. Who slept in the bed ?—I do not know. For what purpose was it placed there?—The people sat on It during the day. Do you mean to say, that that was the only occasion yen saw it osed for?—l cannot state any other purpose. Did you ever see any perion sleep there?—Never. Did you ever see Bergami in the bed ?—I saw him sit on it in the day time. Have you any doubt but that he slept in that bed on the voy age from Jaffa to Syracuse 7—l cannot say. Have you any doubt of it?—l doubt that he did. Did he sleep there at all?—I cannot say, for I never saw bini there. Do you mean to say that you doubt it ?—I have every puce to doubt that be slept there. Do you mean to say that you believe .he did not sleep there? —I do not believe that he slept there; I never saw him there. Did he sleep in the cabin I—l cannot say whether he slept there or not; I had other duties to attend to; I bad the com mand of the ship, and the sare of the navigation of it. Did Bergami lie on the bed in the tent during the day time? —No; I never saw him there. Have you any doubt but that Bergami slept on that bed until the last day of the veyage?—l can't say where he slept ; I never went after him to see where he slept ; I had other duties to at teed to; I never saw him in bed. Do you mean to say that you never saw Bergami lying under the tent do not recollect ever seeing him there. Do you mean to say, upon your oath, that you did net see Bergami lying under the tent by day or night ?—I can only say that I have no recollection of seeing him lying there. When you seal of the night, was it dark or light?—lt was dark. What countryman are you 7.--I was born in England, but am partly Irish. You did not then see Bergami there on a dark night 7—All I meant was, that the night was dark, but there was light enough in the binnacle to see who was under the tent. Do you mean to swear, that during the month you were on board, you never saw ergami lying under the tent I—l do swear that I have seen him sitting there, bat never lying down. Do you remember the night of the storm, when the Princess went down into the cabin to sleep ?—I do. Where did Bergami sleep on that night ?—I do not know. Was he in the room adjoining that in which the Princess slept ?—He was not. When you were in the steerage, could you hear a voice from the tent ?—lf the weather was stormy, it was necessary for the Princess to lift up the canvass of the tent when her Royal High ness wished to call to me, otherwise I could not hear her. Earl GREY, it being a quarter past four o'clock, moved an adjournment, there appearing no probability of the cross-exami nation being finished within a reasonable time. The SOLICITOZ-GENERAL expressed a wish that he might not be restricted, in point of time, with regard to the cross-ezaml nation.—Adjourned till to-morrow (this day) at ten o'clock. NAVAL INTELLIGENCE. THE EVENING STAR. LONDON. TUESDAY, OCTOBER 10, 1820. PRICE OF STOCKS THIS lb AY AT ONE O'CLOCK : 3 per Cent. Cons. 671 1 I-5 per Cent. Wary 1011 India &oeklll7i--Bonds 235. 255. pre. Each Bills ss. es. 6s. ss. pre.—Consols for Acct. 67i TEE QUEEN. le Well, how does the trial come on now ?"-1 " Worse and worse."—Not, however, for the QUEEN, but for the dolts who could be so stupid as to ima gine that it was possible, in the nature of things, that such evidence as they had crammed into a green bag, from the mouth of a Non Ricordo, a Count Milani, a Countess Colombier, a German cham bermaid, a fellow. with a gimblet eye, who could see through a solid wall, and such reptiles, could possi• bly be true. They hare exposed themselves to the laugh and contempt of mankind, by the weakness of intellect which could induce them,. even for a moment, to risk their own characters on such testi mony, without using the precaution to examine a single English individual in the suite of her_ Mat• METE, to learn whether there could be any truth in the testimony of such pitiful, unprincipled, suborned witnesses. It is impossible to find terms sufficiently expres sive of the contempt due to those who urged on this prosecution--or persecution—or by whatever other name the present proceedings may be denominated— without even the shadow of a prop to support them in the dangerous attempt. Dangerous in every view ! Dangerous to themselves—but that is mere moonshine. Who cares about their safety ? when the dangers to which they exposed the KING, the Con stitution, the Country, by their proceedings, is duly considered ? Was there ever such madness, such in sanity, manifested ? Is this language harsh ? Is it too severe? No: to men in the dilemma into which they have plunged themselves, it is the quintessence of kindness ; for insanity may skreen them from being punished for that which would bring other men to an untimely end. There has been a conspiracy, a foul, infamous, hellish conspiracy, against our most gra dons, gallant, and virtuous QUEEN. This fact is now doubted by none, and it is surely kinder to consider those who have been most active in the proceedings at home, as only dupes to it, than as ac tual parties. But is it not lamentable to think that, in the whole Administration there should be but one pair of eyes, and that the possessor of that single pair, Mr. CANNING, should, at so critical a moment, have been permitted to leave his coadjutors to stumble upon the dark mountains ? No wonder that they have fallen—no wonder that they have sunk into a cess-pool, which may yet suffocate them, if one or two Ossvrerht stepping-stones do not furnish them with the means of escape. In honest sincerity we are willir.g to believe, with Lord Ltveavom,, that " if there has been a conspi racy against the QUEEN, it was not hatched by the Government at home," whatever number of time serving wretches may have hailed its evil omens with gratulation: of joy—for there are such fiends; but we take his Lordship's proposition without any "IF _;" fur we hold it demonstrated to the common sense of mankind, by the evidence brought forward on be half of her MAJESTY, that there has actually been a most wicked conspiracy against'the wife of our So vereign : in other words, that AN ACT OF HIGH TREASON (if Englishmen have been parties to it) has been perpetrated ; for to conspire against the character of the wife of the Prince of WALES, or of the QUEEN of these Realms, is treason by statute s But though, as blind agents, our Ministers might have been instrumental in inflicting a deadly wound on the kingdont had the plot succeeded, we are; not willing to rani them among aduai traitors.— , We would rather, though the alternative be a la mentable one, for no other is left, consider them, as we bave said, in the light of weak, blind men, mis led by some more wicked than themselves. Need we say anything of the evidence of yester day? It speaks for itself. Whit did Dr. HOLLAND say ? What did Mr. Mtt.Es testify ? What, CARLO FORTE? What Lieutenant Funs, respecting the conduct of the QUEEN? Were ever the days, the nights, the hours, the minutes, of any woman—the sitting, the walking, the riding, the eating, the sleep. ing, the travels, by lhnd and by sea, scrutinized like those of our ill-used QUEEN ? Did ever woman pass such an ordeal with equal triumph ? Were ever ene mies so completely defeated and foiled, at every point, as those of her MAJESTY ? None of the wit nesses, during all the time they were with her MA JESTY, " ever sate anything indecent, immodest, or hi:- proper, in any part of her condud—no never !» As to " kissing"—lneny thousand Gentlemen and Ladies have kissed the QUEEN,. since her return to this country, in the only way in which Bs:Roam ever kissed her MAJESTI. They have kissed her hand.— But what can be thought of the men who would have palmed this upon the Public as " kissing the QUEEN," in the common acceptation of such an expression in English? Shame! shame ! Yet this is not perjury forsooth ! We say, without . fear of contradiction, that, for the purpose for which this was sworn, it was downright perjury. As to the scoundrel Sacchi, who swore that, riding as courier, he lifted the blind of the carriage in which. the QUEEN and 8ER0.1341 were, and saw things which it would be shameful to repeat, it is now proved that he never was near the carriage during the whole jour ney; that he was two hours a-head on that journey, his business being to get the horses provided at every stage, before the arrival of the QUEEN. There was no one riding along with the carriage, during the whole of that journey, but her MAJESTY'S courier, CARLO FORTE ! Nay, more-Had Saccki been with the carriage, the things which he swore he saw were physically impossible; for it is now also proved that, during the whole of that journey, %ROADIE never even sat next to the QUEEN. The Countess OLDT, or that virtuous double entendre lady, Mademoiselle De Mont, always sat between her MAJESTY and BERGAMI t Then, again, as to the evidence of the Captain of the polacre, whose testimony was thought so impor tant as to entitle him to higher remuneration than the pay of a British Admiral, it now appears, from the evidence or a British Officer, Lieutenant FLYNN, that all the arrangements on board were made by this Officer, and that there was not one word cf truth in the whole evidence of the Captain and his Mate—excepting only that the Quaint and her suite had the use of his vessel. Before we proceed to detail the prcceedings of this day in the Trial of the Quzeti, we must call the at. tention of the Public to some very . remarkable dis closures is our Bow-street Report, givent•in, our fourth page this day. Who would have believed the fact that almost all the inflammatory and treasonable placards and hand-bills circulated within the last three years, have issued front a manufactory under the direction of individuals, said to be connected with the Administration? If this shall be proved, .what shall we say to all the plots and treasons ascribed to the deluded tadicals? What, but that all the =Serer, were, as many actually sns. pected, the deluded victims of a conspiracy formed by men who ought to have been the last upon earth to engage in such diabolical machinations. If this conspiracy shall be fixed upon those to whom it seems, at this moment, to bend its visage, we shall, not be without our fears, that the treasonable conspi racy against the Queorr, may ultimately: be fixed upon men much nearer home than we *cm willing to believe, THE SEVENTH DAY OF THE DEFENCE. HOUSE OF LORDS. This morning, at five minutes before ten o'clock, the Loan CHANCIII.I.OI. took his seat on the Woolsack. Prayers were read by the Bishop of Datum., and the list of Peers was called over in the usual manner, and some excused on account of indis position, Earl GROSVENOR rose to call the attention of their Lord. ships to a subject which he conceived of considerable import , ance. Their Lordships had, in an early stage of these proceed ings, declared that nothing in the rules or privileges of this House ought to prevent the prosecution of a witness who might have committed perjury. But as, notwithstanding this declara tion, there appeared some doubts on the subject, he thought it due to tee honour and dignity ef the House that those doubts should be removed, that no diliculties might be thrown in the way of prosecuting for perjury, and that, for thi s p u rpo se a s hort Act of Parliament should be made as speedily as possible. 'The LORD CHANCELLOR said, that, in the present stage of the proceedings, this address of the Noble Lord was the most extraordinary he ever heard in that House. When the Counsel for the Queen stated that he would prosecute one of the wit nesses for perjury, he went too far. It was not for their Lord ships to contemplate cases of perjury, nor to offer an opinion as to the perjury of any witness until the proceedings were finished. An address to the House imputing perjury to a witness who might hereafter be proved not to have perjured himself, was highly improper. Earl GROSVENOR explained. The Noble and Learned Lord had spoken u if this was the first time the subject had been mentioned in the House. This, however, was not the case ; and as it had been acknowledged in the commencement of these proceedings, that the House should have the power of di recting prosecutions for perjury, no impediment ought to be thrown in the way of such prosecution. The LORD CHANCELLOR was still of opinion, that it was highly improper any Noble Lord should impute perjury to a particular witness, before the proceedings were concluded. The Earl of ESSEX thought the best way of proceeding would be by an Act of Parliament, to remove all difficulties as proposed by his Noble Friend. Earl of LIVERPOOL agreed in the observation of the Lord Chancellor. Mt CATULTINITOX. Lord MELVILLE rose and said; from some circumstances which had occurred, with which he would not trouble their Lordships, be thought it desirable that William Carrington, one td its er ye in it 1g At :It at Ti ry as he th it s er or t of 'r - an 111 !q v )7 cf ite its It+ is- ur he 1e Ist ed KI/1 ns ed If it to ii- ed ad Fee if. is- rt- d- yis ;bt •a-• it Sts be art ost gel U- ho ras ed ad he of di- be it to of as he tie ne