Star. — London, England, 1829-02-24 00:00:00

- • dith.u.ty, •ir.s hicii onbcoity Howie set OfeAtir I) Ic4J to a war—they should reflect whether their opposition to this meaiine. might not involve iffliotountry in war and if so. due they call themselves the Ministers of Curtiss? - .I thank your Lordships for the attention with which you have heard me. I have of ly to sal, that, from my heart and soul, I approve of the cows"' his at t esq's Ministers ate ',waning. To me it sulk tient t at a dour is about to be opened which will lee in prospet . ity and 'tranquillity to that dear, that richest province of this countrY. • - • • The Duke of.CGMBERLAND rose.. end observed, that. after b once before expressed himself clear 1 , and, he hoped. decidedly, upon the Claims of the.Ca• tholics, it - had not been hi intention to trouble their , Lordships with any observations until the m-asure of • the. Noble Duke was before the House. Painful as it was to him at any time, vs differ from those with, when. he bad been in the habit of concurring in political life. it was still more. painful to him to be compelled to differ from those with whom be was connected by the ties of blood. He felt it, however, to be his imperious duty to express his opinion - decidedly upon this subject, and he hoped. therefo.e, that his Noble relation (the Duke of Clarence) would not take it unkind in him. when he endeavoured to give titterence to the astonishment he felt when he heard factious motives imputed by that Nobk Pets ot to those who wet e hostile to the Catholics, and his still greater astonishment at the unfair enact made noon him personally, and upon others, by the ap plication of the term" infamous' to their opposition:— His conduct had been, he thought, always fair and open, and honourable And candid, upon this question, both in that House and t.ut of it. He trusted he should always be fisted crnducting himself as' a Gentleman and a Noqemsn ought to c'rnduct birn•elf ; and unless the changes about , to take place proved very different from what he anticipated, he was determined to con. tinue that fair and candid opposition which be had hOttetto eudeavoured to dirplay, whenever the question of concession in the Catholics was brought before that House. Feelin that he had always pursued that course, he could not a llow his conduct to be stigmatised by the appellations either of factious or infamou The Doke of SUSSEX said—l rise. my - Lords, to endeaiour to put an end•to. a conversation which sp. pears to me not altogether regular ; yet I must say that oh' of my . It iyal Brothers has .interpreted the expres sion of another Royal Blather in a sense in which it was not meant. If .the one Royal Brother will take the observation of the other,to himself, that is hivbusiness.: but I am sure nty Illisttious Brother did not so apply it. My Lords, when a Message came bout the Throne recommending the consideration of the Catholic Claims, vi this andihe other House of Parliameot, but' at the same time to look to the interests of the Bishops and and Clergy of the E.tablished Church, it became cur duty to consider those matters; and I will say, that ilimewho hove said that this House and the other House of Parliament h • yebeen taken by surprise, hive used language shot is b;7th base and ialemous. -This is the sense in which my . lllustsious Brother's observation was usenet. lie did not mean to allude to any Noble Lord, or to any individual, but to those wily who Stated the trite question to be, whether a Papist or a.Ptotes. mot Constoution should exist in England? My Lord'', this is not the question $ and those who so tendet it ought to he so characterised.. The Duke of CLARENCE said in explanation_My Lords, I said the words unjust- ,and itifintuus when I said the Govetment had been attacked. 1 sill sot re tract the words; bat I will say that I diJ not, that I could not,Apply them to lay Royal &odor or to any Noble 'Lord ; and I can only account for my Royal Brother's taking them to himself, by remembering my Royal brother has been so long abroad that he may have forgotten the English freedom of debate. • The Earl - of ELDON observed, that although this debate was quite foreign Al ihe business of the evening, he criuld not allow the opportunity to pass o'er, with. nut taking some notice of what had fallen hem. the Illustrious Dike (Defence), who bad first taken pars in that debate.. In despite. of all the censure which n i A lst be' cast upon him; no matter in what language it was conveyed, he trustrd he should always be found in his place as .an independent Peer, taking that part in the discussions of their Lordships which he con scientiously believed to be right. In the pursuance if that cou se. he igain expressed his determination to t oppose to the utmost of his power all concessions to the Roman Catholics, because he fi.mly believed she result of ,these concessions would be, to give this !mow try a Pqpish Senate. It Was said, that the course adopted by those who opposed these concessions ought to he branded with the name of faction. If it be so, then the principles under which •the Constitut on was settled, in the year 1688, were those of faction; and if a support of those principles now be faction, be must still be feed us. If' such a factious spirit was to contign • him to death, then he would be factious. It had been said that thecountry was . not taken by surprise in the announcement of the intentions of his Majesty's _Go vernorent. That he took leave to deny. But whether it was or net, it Accused a very extraordinary thing that both those who wets opposed to concession and . those who were in favour of it should Continue thesedi.cus sions upon measures of the nature of which they were totally ignorant. •The plans of the Noble Doke bad beeneulogised. to the highest extent. by one piny, and condemned io no nteasured terms by the of er (be said this for the - benefit of both parties; both those who -wet, opposed to,,and those wise (*vented, concession). Tiey, had praised* lad condemned every night ; • but yet they had not heard one single portion of those plans by which the Noble Duke proposed to effect his objects! Whatever ariigfibe die result of those plans, or what ever Ray be their num, still be would contend that the country and the Members of that House had been taken by 'l4tptise in .the,,announcensent of the Noble Dokea intentions. he hid lived too long in babos pf political and iocial intimacy with the Noble Duke to believe for sipsiskitotats th.t the Nubl Mike iuteraded nay deceptios or ma; but he muss be allowed to•ob seree.-that the plibllshed l cottespondence cri:ti.e - Noble Duke with.. De. Curtis, di' Catholic Prim ac col Iseland, clearly.proved Ana ibe caantry was taksn by surprise, gare,i ELloof could aoteasily understand its purport. for thelloble.Duke would allow hint tiesay that,it was nerthec Enoltsit. to.A Irish qtsite—(rt lati d li). In our tecommeaided the horsing of the question in oblivion. audit next reasisoneoded that the: intetvel sltoold be employed in considering e difficulties with which the subj cr was sertooneesi. „Igor, be . (Lord Eldon) would ak r whether any; man living, who b'd ',mot tbas-letter at the time it war peblisbed, could have pls• bibq expected' thaz tiie Catholic goebtion would km ter commended teithkenhsidmatiosi 41 Parliament in a message - hoot tf e Throne on ttle . ,sits of Febzuaty fol lowing ?—(Heat). liot, did not wish jo be . suadetatioodc to say that there wits soy irepropriety.itt sods Lases sap einanating (roan the - Government,or.thst.it ought slot to be attended to most rispectfolly by.tbat &lowa But. be conceived tbal,-in •etWdisOce. in. that IggifoPqa then Lordships ea& to enter upon the taisitiftatiou. .•. • . • : ' L yuCa.tOrlia ii.tei Whist: au) WI., %tic a 'Coelite4 (.1 tneni. B Its wete brought in first, and they then tittered into an aleph'', it appeared mph's that that' woulif be a new wet°, taking'llselee.tion into cons-ii ligrassba:'-'l l Thetftresi Oust:imps 'peituris. who had ad dredged thak L'•rdships that evening Wad every right to, givdtheirlsresit, or .)o stare their objaillaos to the nlifitsPre i&ufto biri - inrsodioced. Ift4 whether the op position to his M .jesty's Ministers should or should not be characterised a s factious. he (Lord Eldon) had risen for the purpose of saying vat 'be would do his duty— las duty to That House and to the count I—and that it *moat present his conscientious conviction that he should 'tappets' these nreasUres, it thee should *be such as he imagiiied they 'ertould be: Bin d'he misetlatieired Acne 'meas ur es, he sho uld be as glad Man to the country. it it were Mond necessary t 4 obi. eby tl em, provided that they were consistent with the Coniptitutiou of the country. 1 Earl Otttlf believed' the NoblirEarl would not be . ' ,deten lel from what he believed to be his duty by any dread of the imputation of faction. But it would be, well if all those who entertained the same opiniOns with theliohie Earl would conduct their cause in such a mariner as not to deserve the imput.tion of factious views. H 5 in the course of his life bad suffered by the, unjust imputation of factious views. sod he should be therefore the more reactant to cast 'Lupins others. But in justice to the lllustrious Duke, he must say that his complainkof the manner in which the question had hitherto been t eateJ was not with ut foundation. He did not allude tot e daily publications by which the country was daily disgusted. H- referred to what had been had thatAight in that House. Noble Lords bad a right to resist the propo•ed measures. but they should not res st them in sue'l a manner as to threw firebrands throujght u the coil, try. Was it, he asked, within the legit:l4l4:e Means ot o;ipasition. or did it deserve the name oflaction,. to say that the King could nut consent to a rrisaoireerh eh:Parliament had. approved without breaking his Coronation . Oath and violating his con science ? r r to sntimate, as a N able Lord had done on a unmet-occasion, that by complying pith the solemn de termination of Parliament he would ft..iileit his right to the Throne, and relinquish it, not into the hatitia of Par liament from which it bad sprung. but into those of a Foreign Prince . 9f the House of Savoy These things he had bend,_ and they were calcu lated. not to convince others of the impotency of the, oreasute, but to produce animosity in that Iloute, and in the country tie WM and bloodshed. The quo,- tit;it wee one which required and deserved to be treated with temperance, and not to be described as a question whether the country was to remain a Pro •estant or to become a Popish country? He was sure the lilusttious Person who had used this expression bad useantOnly to convey his own conscientious conviction; and if he could make out his assertion by argu nent, nobody *maid be more reluctant than I iniself to agree to the proposed measnre. gut he, implored him to ,consider the effect of s ich denunciations upon the country. Tae Noble and learned Lord would have the opoostunity of roguing in 'whit of his opinions, and at the proper time he (Earl fire)) would be ready to show that all the opinions he bad ezptes,ed wittirepeet tease iXws of exclusion .as fundamental laws of the Stoics/id essential parts of the Constitution. were tui 7 flooded. He had the greatest regard for the learning and ability of the Table Lord, but he mat at the,safte time.be allowed tp say, that 11; had not the same respect fur all his opinions. His objection was hot to Uttt opposition, but to the manner in which it bad Imes conducted. The Duke of WELLINGTON agreed with the *olle Earl aid others, that these discussions were worse 'bap uselas, and they tended to increase the agitation upon, this sulect without any sufficient cause. He was perfectly aware that any measure of this kind he had to propose would be opposed by the Noble Earl os the Cross. Bench ,(Loyd Eldon). and • he regretted that it would be so opposed. The Noble Esti said .he, should fi nd him a gen e rou s enem y. A s an enem y he never could regard tbst Noble Earl. Hi.never could allow his mind to revert to his former habits 'of public and prieate interconrse with that Noble Earl, without &dim, that whatever temporary diffeienee . arise hither Houseornhits . eould alter his respect Jor.the Noble Earl's opinions, and his iegard for hip , persoa. _He had ne,hesiiatioso in repeatin g t he al s e t ti o n, that the letter to which the Noble Earl alludes, uterr was intended tote published. That letter, how ever, the Noble Earl asserts. was calculated to convey the ins. 'rasion that the Huu.e bad been taken by surprise, and that it was not his intention to bring the Catholic tioestien before Pailiament. Now, as nearly as he could recollect. that letter, contained vie same opinion be bad delivered at the clime o f th e l as t S ess i on o f Pailianient. Hp denied that thete was any thing At: the letter calculated to deceive a sin4le indi vidual in that House, or in the country. Um mea sures he attended to introduce wete not yet made .known, and he should not, therefore, dwell more upon this subject than merely. to observe, that discussions of .this kind were to be deprecated, as directly contrary to the express recommendation contained in his Majesty's Speteb, that they should come to the consider lion of the question of the Catholic Claims with a temper and moderation calculated to ensure a successful issue to their deliberations. The Earl of ELDON, in explanation, said that bed d not inspite.any improper motive to the Noble Duke; he measly said that the country had been taken,by say Past when they beard the Speech from the 'flume, so soon ate; the letter which had been so improperly pub ' tislsed., No man, he repeated, who had heard the No; ble Duke's speech, at the close of the last Session, could have anticipated such advios to his Majesty as that contained in the Seeds from the Throne ; but at the same time, be admitted that the Noble Duke, althoui;h be did not state his reasons, was at liberty to change his opinions, if he saw reason for that change. As to the Noble Earl (Grey), be bad always found him a Me and hoseurable antagonist, and be had always endeavOttred tr* ptirsile the samaPourse on his own pert. The Petition was thsa 1.14 cas she table, • Earl GREY had to present to theii Lordships the Petition of the Roman Catholics of Englan.l, alloy which bad soundly devolved upon him for the haft yeari. • This Petition was.most numerouslyxigtsl ...It ,had the signatures of all the Roman Catholic NAsiliky of England, and almost aU.the Gentry, nod • .*es 'per. 'sons Ai-respectability of that peraitraskrorp Toe Noble 'sari proceeded is urge, at totasidetabie length.. upon , the ,attention of the liolute,.ehe evil% o f a divided . ! Government and a divided people. • The Petitioners ' , complained' of the ,calumnies directed avant their •lersets as Christians. their opinions as men. and their, 'conduct as citizens. a gri a taoce produced by the des. 'qualifications ender *bids tire, laboured.' arnl which , l adled traall.the otherinjuoies the present state of the slaw ~inBieted opoo them. lie hod beard something of l 'this Mod from. a touter ia ;abaci& Christian: charily !might have been expected. TAts Eight Revereid ?to bat:stigmat'utd .the CatholistreUgiou a; the Devrool 14iiiok mace- of 4posieulity sad cuite. w Hfgirl I .. . . • late)) Jewett tlit, lit appcaleJ for this 00111011 to Or I many eminent and virtuous men who had adorned the' Cabo* Choeh o l: lie appealed to the.-exeemlts7 lives 'Ottlriiii O 4'`Aornan Catholic fellowiasehjetti'm 44 1 1- ligt.Aithi nil!' true 10 eistaola, 'teidliti pile of the RrerCgsr7=llntlis eiese totted debasing and depornifaintildloefit+. HO `kira* - the Petitioner s ' iftdeiteci*lt all , i l li I ellii; " 1 tiont . Or is nature. Persons of high station and autho rity should be cautious - how they shoe Firris;Med arrows' in the desk. Catholicism' was for centuries the only religi in of the Christian world. It was now the religion ' of a great Maj yof Chans. The artion of ihe Right Rev. P‘elate, then fere, if pushed s nits extreme consequences, would militate against the Chretian dispensation itself. ' Be hoped the timelia'd ariiied 'when, those divisions arid ablMOsitles would be at an mid, and this hOpe wax greatly aliens . tlien-d by what fie had heatd that night. 'He presented this Petition 'in 'the hope that he note ditso tat the last time,* and that the Doke' of NOrbilk land Of Other Roman Catholic Peers; wOOld, during the - preterit Sesilon, end esen . ip , the Cot . se Of a few weeks, take thcir places hi Ilya Mu e; hastiest of being hustled among the . crtivrd i.f strangers Whit suriounied dials Lotd.hips bar. 'The Noble Earl had truly said they . did not know what the' 'Measure about tar be pioposed wax.; He did not knoa it in all hi details, but he hoped he khew it Was to be a "Measure of full and saihfactory relief. To the question ‘6l' securities he a..tached no .value, although, be birtiold approve of the policy of introducing securities into the Bill as a means of obviating the idea of triumph to one party or of defeat to the other. But he hoped no secu rities would be proposed . of a nature to clog the men sore, to defeat it a object, arid to open up new sources of discontent. Lord REDESDALE deprecated any measure which should have a tendency to unk and mettle the minds of the country, as to the essential . Piciiestantiam of the Constitution. He insisted at considerable length upon the evils of mons tic estabii.hments, which had already begtri to gain a fastening in this countrbanderhich he hoped would be suppressed and prohibited by the pro pOsedßill. The difficulties upon the subject of &au nties might not be insurmountable if they bad only the Eitglih Reiman Catholics to do with;, bit the lash Roman Catholics were much mine unteuttabk; n• thing 'tiut unconditional and untrialified Emancipation would s .tisfy them. lie regretted that the Noble Duke was nut. piepared to give explicit information as to his in. tended mca.ure, as this would ,be the most effectual mean, to allay the agitation of the country. Eat I GREY then presented Petitions to the same effect from the Bartistets and Attorneys of Newcastle-upon- Tyne ; and two or,three other Petitions of a similar na tine from the Roman Catholic Inhabitants of parishes in Ireland. and Protestant Dissenters in this counuy. • The Bishop of :BATH and WELLS presented silt Petitions against any . (urther concession to the Roman Catholics, from the Inhabitants of certain Parishes in the county of Somerset . The Petitioners had requested him to urge their Petitions upon the consideration of their 'Lordships, and he.cuuld not' couceire any duty More imperative upon persons situated as he was, than that of expressing their sentiments honestly and boldly in suppirt of the Protestant.Consritotion.of the mph*. Some of she Petitioners e x pressed their surprise that in England;.ind in the nineteenth century, .any advocates Should be fogad for the admission of Roman Catholics ' 'hi politicalPoirer. He believed the county of Somerset ' was very nearly unaninsoot in lisloacuirence With the • sentiments of these' Prtitidners. ' . • The girl of CARNARVON raid the county of 'Somerset was not unanimous, for be bad some petitionsl to prevent from that county . of an opposite character. Ile should belt' lay that he Wastteatly surprised. that is EfiAland, and in the nioeteentb Century. Milani' Ode cation Should be found to advocate tbe cootinuaoce of. laws which could have no ether effect thin to- papa tante aniMosity -and discoid anted* the King's subjects: • - The'Ettil of ELDON - presented petitions' against ftir "thair't:nitceicioo to the Roman Catholics from the jobs bitanis of t h u town of Denbigh ; from those of Mon. eatinth - ; of the - coonty of Pembroke; end the Minister and chnkregatirin of a Chapel Id Denbiglishite,:-all . in Wei also from the inhabitants of D e e r i n g L ons dal., ikons throe of , Kirby Lansdale end Kirby Moor. side, in Westmoreland: also limn Wong , . in Ozfort :bite . ; hour the parish of Bolton and fr. ni Halifax; front *several Parishes io the crusty of Suffolk ; fvoni Stowe and Hartwell, in Buckinghamshire; from War wick, from Haverell, from the Prompting Disseidersli Brocl-Street Chapel, London, - and nuntber t f•other places. -* • • ' • • The Earl of LIMERICK presented a Petition for the stippression of the Roman C ttholie Association, from the parish of St. Miry's, Newington: The Marquis of DOWNSHIRE presented •a similar Petition from certain inhabitants tif it., county of DArrn, in Ireland. The Duke of WELLINGTON presented a Petitiim which he had been assured had been most numerously and respectably signed b 7 .number of Magistrates, about limy Clergymen, and other resident persons in or near the town of Manchester, to the *Minna of 22 800 names, praying that further political concessions and privileges should not be granted to his Majesty's' Catholic subjects. Earl WILY contended that the petition should not be taken as expressive of the-general sense of the town of Manchester •and • its • populetioir. This petition had been lying for lignanire ever since•the2eth . NoteMber last, and as the place contained • about 62,000 persons, and Only 22900 bad signed, it could tot be supposed to iprak the opinion of more that ooe-third of -the Wm- Num', ifs, much. .He made thisteserve, because he had heard 'that in"theircnitiett to obtain siseatures, the Agitators of this petition had called in children at Sunday schsrols, servant s . not os loe s paupers , an d- even 'prisms in the worthetta-r—tHear, hear). Petitions had tail[ at the Contntercial Rooms, 'tent at the Pm= tic° and Abe Exchange. for severe' days,. and yet* but ifew hundred had signed them ; he believed 600-or 790 in one instance, and 1,400 in another. He admitted It orns l kiteiy; ak . thOse 'place*** ;he resort of the first persoei piincipal merchants, the' aigniteris mfght be those of verp respectable persons ; but such were not ;generally the clasp of subscribers - sneezed to-this Patio h fact, there meld be very little doubt. with•aay hien atittriiiited aith the *he . irate of publi c opinion at' Mariefiester,' that o 4 table favourable to the' Aiscutire of Emancipation. The E.ul of ELDON defended the Petition, and begged the N.ible-Earl would look over the names sub 'stribed; anniort whom be'cbuld not but priceive many 'eif the MOit respectable perionsln that ibelc i +l place: c EArl GEM said. he bed spoken advisedly, from very eztellentinfOrmation, as.to the mode its which 'the Fetition had been anissetibeti.. •'•• • •• •- The' Dike of 'WELLINGTON Mid, he'-had been* iiideced tO'fiiesenethbixotilib**bisll4d been handed Atr i bial for that 'snipe* hy a very- stsprstahle Gentle s:me. , could not, wider-such eirtninstaneel, •be ex. !Ilr-tive ., nigtt 'theist ittlehbd - wit; iPtitedi e Wmq M . the* _. * • *etc p. t,Ott• i f respectability. It had, • been hinded about from house to house. and of course many of the names were , cussiers of such houses. Toe N'oblellike IS similar pe.irion from Thomas Pike Ft Il'.. Vord LORTON presented the r emains resistor; of the loan et Tyrawly, in Iceland, (her concession to the Roman Catholics, . The Etrl of lOUNTCASH EL pro-sensed • of.tiie Mayor and Corporation of the cis ) concession, and a similar petition -from Ballyosgan, in. the same county. ' Viscount CLIFDEN presentectis Peti concesaion feom the . parish it Craig, ' Kilkenny ; also Othti petition( - (mei sgaiiist tile Select Vestry Bill, and the He congratulated Miff 'Lordship, On , plsasore totear ftolvt the varnish of a Ndble, Du ke.the heir presutriptheto the tbrosk of to a speech io"fraught wish 'animas calculated him honour. • ' ' • • • • '. , The E erl of SHAFTESBURY reeked ' froinGrimsby against tertian' concessions - AWICIATiOI.IO lIIMPRISSIOM The Noble EARL then moved for Day for bringing op the Report of the Suppression Bill. The Earl of MOUNTCASHEL wished words on this question. He believed that • .on each side of the House wished to render 'efficient as possible, and he had no 'Object should be so, against the Associationi v be passed to sappiest. 'He had intended amendments for a very different' pnrpOsei Noble Lords had gone away, that he cola cure to do it that evening; at the Same state the reasons why he bad intended Amendments. The first point was, that , this 8.11 would have the effect of suppressing, illegal and political Alisociations,, but a gr others which were productive of great benefit --he meant such as bad for their objects went of the people, the education of children, distribution of religions knowledge. through Tice Catholic Priests especially dish( where infants of three, . (oar, and were taught to spell end learn •their cause the children became gradual", the principles that prevailed in these schools-. Within the last two•dayv Ise-b letter froni Ireland, which ht - had' in - ' would tic t detain their Lordship( by rem letter stated that the priests had sudileii new tone, Ind within the last week Or bad been two or three instancrt in wbieh forward thousands of people for the es' ill treating and singling, in the Most Mai those who were engaged in tendering vi to the country. If they did' non succeed iu esceting a riot or making some.affear some disturbance, thisuseful Association Jiately come under theoperation at this L. be suppressed like any political os illegal He hoped the Noble Duke wield favour with some assurance that this should not The other•paint be wished to notice was, of introducing a clause to prevent bosses Ireland: Routs being Made places of political Hewished to see the Bill apply either to . Laity, 10 that no house if wgrship could, pretence, be made a place for politicel"7 If such a clause were not introduced, be Bill would wholly fail. . • The Duke cf WELLINGTON said, gird to the fist point, Ite begged- their bear in mind, that posier *as vested in .., tenant to declare any meeting or assemb" 'and upon notice that it was so, be might •„-. -to two Magistrates to desperse the meeting_. bly. Fos•the exercise of this power the Lied Gesten 'was responsible; and he believed that would ethnic that'll" the Lord Lieutenant ble, it Was not likely that he Would issue to disptrse any meeting or assembly for • cf Charity, - of educstion; or of any other purpo,i Suds is - tholk.refetred to' by 'the '• Neither was the Lord Lieutenant likely .‘,.* eet ing etc Assenibly' which had a legal , object, merely became that 'al it was lekell noiioldierotherg. 'The Lord Lieitiensnt spotiiitle for his id.: esetched under given by this Act of Pa , Asment. Will other point stated b r the Noble Lord, a Clispel.lOr thepto Voir s of seditious WWII to say ellit there whiff nothing Ifilln Act either directly or indirectly warrant their to such an use. The Act would•enable ... lennut to issue his warrant to two Magistrates dogs seditious meetings wherever he was" were held. The Noble Lord had spoken sermons: If such sermons were preached,: would be answerable to the law (tithe had. • The Earl - of DIOUNTCASHEL again apprehensions that An improper use. toff__ Cbitpels for political purposes; and declared conviction that instead of the country heed, as was a:petted, by the measure tended to adopt lot that purpose, we should land, in less than a sear, in a worse state Lord REDESDALE said, it was well it had been proposed that to evade the till the House it was proposed that the Mimeo Should be subdivided, and hold Meetings chapels, where speeches might be made sr e.f sermons the same as in the Association. the Bill now beforethe Hoot* woeld bare , preventing such meetings. Under ordiaar , stances, one alight say that there was so - sash a measure. •In his Majesty's Speech, Catholic Amodiation was described in could lead to no other cooclosion bet that legal Association, and yet'that illegal Association permitted to continue for years without , don.' Under arse* circtilustattces he (Lord. could come to no other conelusiob thab that! Government in Ireland was grog* negligent If the Government bad dose its duty, it w that the tomes Catholic .Association could to such lengths. With the permission - 'Duke, be (Lord Itedesdale) would 'bring perent the Injury which tt Was apprehended .Noble Earl alright miie from this till. The (Monitheashr I) had truly stated that it for any person who was adverse to the which a meeting was called,to turn that Timone itigetribly. Something of the kind, :.tood, had been dime on a . vrry recent mask% Jon, and it was at any time possible that sembledfor lawful purpokishould be thrown and violation , by thei resents and oi:sanded .ons 'who were ni.cttiettitotit therrOt. Now . *licit he meant • fci trifiiducer as, that nothing tontaina an the Act should be constrned to extend to meetings for lawful purposes. though -riots stioald arise from' ''Lhe ioterfelince - Of• 0101111 irho Ihe Mot inembatly . . • 1 +1144.111N I.IIWfIIKR p.srieki. in the °Minty at Citac. t bin ellisaldgekald• 144611.11" Flo slut/icon. . • 4..0.044 • • tad. he hrii trip 1: osi. an ••• tur.• . c , se. frr sianatute, .1 r led, hi Loudon. al • tho.• of t h e oc . its Ireland. where th . lee then presented pa• eel of person/ wit Farmer. and created riot an • noon of the Poo. letters frins Ireland latul. aviort hit. *plan which (be Priest ea, .. • . t hey ..wero determi ented the Petition institution which wet iy of Cork against t Itedesidole). as some one the parish of resided in Ireland, an • "chasactet o end be tea ti ion in ra e i v , o r • . 'went dace he ley; feel in the county of had heard; be woeful! the • same place ; . thelrish weir a quiet, o Sob -letting Bio, 'elves. The continual i having had the • did them no se. vice. Noble end Royat Vespeetableamongu th le of these resifts/ tins that the Pao liana edtigo te d it) d b teat mist'ake in Flu e . More that College we ree l e d a . fi e ld t i. I f ~ gcs , oldeen ni respectable as to theCothollcs; 'Mance and el ewh; r.• r att:L. • - • 'ceived the education the Order e i the r . 1 G Werner, intended to the Association: 1 they were taugl•t then submissi• ta to it. In the e n d u n en e bey atio o n f re per as sa g ) o n 'a a lis t . f a that Noble L • aged to say a f ew udt • ender this Ell as. • 1 mined amongst the Cl. objection that it witto action were brought it which it would ''• manner not likely to m eel to move rime' view was confirmed by dse; . but so many Redesdale) had reteive • veld hardly run: - real Catholic Gentry of ne time he would to the chinch or to the d to mon there were $OOO Priests no at he feared that their edocatton at May wining, not only , f t et ha l t ings tbe row Pem ards as the di ' d o it a great rainy . di. re was in w tor as stred not a th pf at ie tter a e t benefit to Ireland'' dieved that the prie s t s cr ind the ! h ec ild s re ih n e employ - ,'- trough the land. tholic Gentry, belittler iked the schools all he said'About the p ' Rte years old 'that* they were dot Ire* it alphabet,* be: 'the Rooosan Catholic . U • fly.. attached to , 'treated by their prie t.... hese Protestant ;' country Gentleaseu were Thad received a and, their fathers es .b - I it pocket, but pat ish priest kept up a c reading it. This ; Chortle Gentry. There wa Icily assumed a for the priests were per • r ten days there. never appoidred for their • th they had sent he degraded by their l o . not flame the policy • 'press purpose of Pane. but the effect santef il . manner, valuable services tiom formerly, too, in Ir those Roman Cathclics d by those means ray, or creating the pouter of nominatin .. on would imam. which the co n fi scate d 'Bill, and might up a kind of connection ilal Association. the Gentry, but it b a d • your the Hous• and the coosequen ce wet not be the case. had taken place betwe e n try. At the country • w as. the propriety • tea of worshipin • • n o trissikler perhaps, to : 4hitai dilemma. • piesentation to the Ito .. • •woald be very desirable i •to the' or said, -o air be'keptiOp.betweas the P ' araiiclisi "' — ' • . i ° l7:l , :r .'h y Ito tti m it a t a li C if. rth rn oll i c le was afraid the • . in this eountry. This too d, that whit la. . had taken place in Ireland air Lordships to .. . compovodi of petions tot y t the Lord Lieu mei ly belonged tothat eta "obi y onliwfal, to persons of tiro lowest el g rant a wartanr dale) was in Leland, it w eatin or &WM.; • I Mayiaoth ; 'and his`dpial • g Lord uten tat ,. fised was permitted . to c l.kr • t the Noble Earl very different reg u l at ions. nt was respoua s , coosideration passed, it w • sue his Warrant to endeavour to p reserves • sr That was the g r eat t hi ng outer outer b e ne ficial ur • persons who meant 'litchi • he Noble Elul. be a sober and t ranqu il ' to disperse an t many iastances of.the goo al 'and beneficial t ' t (The Noble Earl he re b ec 1 said his recollections of Zr likelf to be nib- I , nt would be reor . he sat down rst deep feelin I tr the tuthoril Viscount LORTON b eg th respect to die rifer his testimony In cot as to the use of fallen from hi s N o bl e an d ' tongs he begged dale). He assured t h e i r ct which would were opposed to t h e i sm's° ' tie being applied brunch of 'cheeks% and inent„io everything. e the Lord Lieu. Lotd REDESLIALE be igistrates to put is informed they foL withdrawin g so slaw 'ken of sie J i t i °" i i a n n l i i n e s l t a a n n d. ce a 4 nd iti th e er af leere ectial a td, the preachers .The Earl of WICKLO • laid. Leland. and could assoc. , t tin impressed his some persons ansente use iihirtede of moils* well disposed, genera wasted his 6 lat :'''' as:orderly and well die • • being tranquil- Kin's dominions.. It was. which it was in- Wicklow) to know the o .ho I udder toasiderationibot het e mtasite Was *Wooled by t u th ld an have ever. Ire- " rell known that . .' • law, the ROAM emboli Hill new before' and well disposed as ally . lonian Ca'holics 1 .,., The Mertpshi ot• DOW " ago In differs, shit had fillets from' the saver the arse addressed the Haw. The ion. He hogs" morally trims*. reguiatedi, • see doe uffectid sntiert. - gut they. hod' di . rdinntY . thee.' issimenie pirpulation they ha. so necessity tar it t h e kiwi ' ', d e gr e e o f kap . chr howe v er*" f polation had arrived as co n terms which ' F. 'Hitherto' 'they were exchtd hat it was an il- Hied tboutd be made Association was labia' he was conviccet It ilet=akco- ighlyleappapar and Aft ) ' admitted to a panicipation• bat hi:Majesty% . ~ doubt that the Priests :igent of its duty. t nee'thenrstives faidifol. I t was impossible The was 'rhea received, mid have lone are tegemeaka.. : . , IS of the Asia Adiwso4r • rewx,ure, : . • - • .., s-AIOUSE OP I lir in a clause to eheaded by the* air. PLAINTA otortedsbat a The Noble Earl serve le Partials/et for tits • • IF Manatee` LAIIVIL..OIII.IIIeII would be ear Fir W. GUISE eared this i • ne purposes fief 116 Perliwiseitt air Newark it meeting Woe'. • alt allsootrainsiss..-Orolarsa kind, be und I ft LEY p resente d Petit ' er • Awl:MS*4 air Tydebto apd =aside in Low' nNitne id It ..r liormois:, 'at a meeting as• ' l' J. la toWN - preitested 'tele - thrown into riot • "'Of etf b letiresmeti iit.ling Air. uni•e. rearm e d a ii,. / ke en. 'conduct of Fe' amen 4, !. A t _ittr... , :l74. wit . . Now the class* opt•si ine a...ittiolic Jimo. .'' . _I