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interest in certain property for the sum of ten thoirrand pounds, nod not twenty•fivelhousand pounds, although the Company had been charged 25,0001. for what die Petitioner bad only received•ten thousand pounds. He prayed that the House would take his case into its con sideration, and - also that it would ilkittiri'into - the ire duct of certain of iti Hon. Members who had been ctmierned in tbri- trantaCtion. Such was the tenor of the Peition ; and he (Algterman Waithman) gave notice that he should, some day nett, week„move for the op pbintrtletit of a Committee to inquire, not only into the conduct of the Honourable Members who had been conrieeted with the Arigni Mining Associ.tion, but also into the conduct of those who had been at all connected with any of the hubbies of the day. He trusted that he had thus far kept to the promise which he had made with respect to the conduct :of one Hon. Membev in particular. If that Hon. Gentleman were not put for ward to again 611 the office which he. had It'd : last Parliament, he (AldernsanWaithman) should do nothing further respecting him ; but he was firmly of ,opinion, that the H.iwe would only consult its own hpnour, re putation, and dignity, by investigating the conduct of such Hon. Gentlemen as' had lent themselves to for warding the views Jr unprincipled speculators. .He felt it right to state to the Home, that he was altogether unacquainted, prior to that evening,with the individual who bad requested him to present the Petition he then held in his band ; and also that he had not bad any communication whatever Stith the petitioning putt' previous to his receiving the Petition. He theq moved that the Petition be read, which being agreed to, the Clerk proceeded to read it. It stated that the Petitioner bad read, in certain newspapers. an account of the proceedings of that Hon. House on Tuesday last, in which it win stated, that he had received a certain sum for certain mines, which was in correct. It prayed for inquiries into the 'conduct of certain Members of that Hon. House, who had been connected with the Arigna Mining Association; and was proceeding to crew by affidavit—when Mr. C. W. W YNN remarked. that it was altogether contrary to the practice of that House to receive affidavits ; and with respect to the report of the proceedings— ' • The SPEAKER said that it must, he thought, be quite evident to every Hon.. Member in the House, that the Petition, which had been pattly read, wasone that could riot be received. In the first place it - charged some Members without the - slightest notice with having com mitted some impropriety, and thus it affixed a kind of stigma on the whole House, without affording the means of deciding who were the Members. whose -conduct was impugned. In the nest place the Petitioner pro fessed to derive his knowledge of what transpired in that House, from a source, the legality of which could not for an instant be allowed—a report of its proceedings —(hear, hear !) —that was unquestionably a breach of privilege, and therefore a decided objection to the Peti. tion being received. Again—affidavits it appeared were introduced in the Petition, which as a Right Hon. Gentleman had remarked, was altogether irregular. It Was true that they were embodied in, and net appended to, the Petition, but that fact would not render them admissible.— It was against the principle on which the House had hitherto acted. From these considerations, therefore, be would recommend the Hun. Member for London to withdriw the Petition. It might, if the party wished it, be amended, and in a more correct shape be hiought under the consideration of the Houao—(Hear). _ Mr. Alderman WAITHMAN would certainly not wish to press any Petition at all irregular. • There was, however, one remark, witich he wished to make before he withdrew the one then before the" House. Thelie titioner prayed for an inquiry into the conduct of the particular Metnbert who had been connected with the Arline Mining Asso ciation, and therefore he apprehended that little difficulty would occur in finding out the Hon. Gentlemen who were lauded to.— Petition withdrawn. Mr. W. HARVEY Nave notice that ho'should on Friday next move for a return of the number of causes which bad hien tried in the different Courts Of Laid during the last year; - • ' Mr. 113ENETT, oti presenting a Petition from Market Laying ton, praying for the Abolition of Slavtry, expressed his hope that the friends of humanity would not relax in their tndeasours, but that they would cover the table of the House with their appeals. Mr. 111 A BERLY gave notice that he would on that day se'nnight move for an Account of the Exports and Imports from and to the United Kingdoms during the pint year; also, that the number and• value of the Bank of England notes in circulation should be regu larly published. Mr. SPRING RICE gave notice that be would, shortly after the holidays, bring forward a • motion respecting the Irish Go vernment. _ _ • Mr. Aklerman THOMPSON mored for &return of the amount of duty-paid on Sea Policies, distinguishing the different offices,re ceived'during the years 1825 and 1826. MITA= Mt ocessurmas. Mr. LITTLETON said, that it would be in the re collection of most of the Hon. Members, that the House had adopted resolutions, which constituted Committees rf Appeal from the common Committees upon Private, Bills. It was his intention to propose the adoption of the same resolutions by the present House. He would not at present move that they should be made Stand ing Orders, but merely place them as resolutions of the House, in order that the .experiment should be tried respecting them, and that if found useful, they should then be incorporated with the Standing Orders. As there were several new Members in the House, who could not be fully aware of the nature of the subject, he thought it would be right to give a brief explanation of the causes which had influenced him and other Hon. Members to concur in bringing forward those' resolu titins. Both he and they were. convinced of the im portance and necessity of providing a remedy for those offences which were committed, and were more fre quently said to be committed, by Members when they mere supposed to be placed upon Committees, where either they, themselves, or their friends, were in any degree interested. To say that that was the case gene rally, or that on that account Committees had come: to unjust decisions, was unfounded ; still, however, that idea was imps essed upon the public, and often by those who had least right to do so. He had known several cases which were very bad, brought before them, and the_ Committees had decided accordingly, and still tbne who had failed in their bad speculations, by the decision of the Committees, were those who spoke hardest of them. The same thing was also done by professional persons, who prided themselves on their skill in carrying measures through, but whose skill bad been based by the exe: tions of Committees. He should, however, still confess that there were several cases where Members on Committees had suffered themselves to be swayed by private motives, and to be warped front U.. storght lice of their duty. It was his object, therefore, t►at the House should take care to prevent such a course from being pursued in future. From their nature, private Consilium had very consickrable power over,private interests, and more especially the transfer of . krivate property. Af er a Bill was once referred to a Com mittee, it had a power over property, very similar, and nearly as gr eat, as the Courts of Law, and he SAW no rea son why the House should not take the same means of to that power executed correctly. For those reasons, Ned ss ith the concurrence of very high authorities, he had prepared tree resolutions. The Hon. Member then went into the detail of the resolutions, and said, that by thcir adoption, there would be nothing done %hie • could at all interfere with the ordinary regulations of the House, but, on the contrary, give them efficacy and stability, and he was sure, that there was no Member oC the House, who was of opinion that. the House should not form some resolution on the subject. There were two extremes which might bk urged in opposition to the course so proposed, and both of which he thought would be avoideld by adopting it. ale was. that there should be a Select Committee upon each Frigateßill which was brought forward, and that the attendance of Members who *ere appointed should be imperative. From that he dissented, because it was evident that the engagements of professional men, and of the mercantile Members - et the House, exclusive of the age of others, oula twke such a regulation'most inconvenient, and would present such obstacles, that the House could not sanction it. Another otlection urged was,. is Let things remain as they are, and• wherever, in any individual instance, wrong is done, let'it be noticed by the House, and measures adopted accordingly." That was the same kind of language he bad heard used since he en• tered into the House, and instead of a decrease of the improper practices complained of, they continued every day to become more numerous. But when, as, accord ing. to the plan which he meant to propose, there existed a right of appeal, Members would more carefully _weigh the evidence laid before them, and be more cau tious as to the Totes they gave. further, he conceived, that to the Members personally the -greatest possible convenience would arise from the plan he contemplated. There should, he thought, be no injury that did not admit of redress, and a Committee sitting on a Private Bill should be as nearly assimilated to the impartiality of a Jury as the House cotold possibly effect. If all were done that to his mind seemed practicable in the matter, he felt assured that no one, having just grounds of complaint, would decline to avail himself of the re medies which it was proposed to put within the reach of every wan in the country. The lists, .at they now stood, could not possibly give satisfaction ; but he trusted that his resolutions would. Shure the attendance and assistance of Members possessing adequate loosl knowledge, and also a sufficient number, whose impar tiality would net be called in question: He then con cluded by moving his resolutions, reading the first part, which was as follows: " That the present distribution of Counties in the several Lists, for the purpose of forming Committees on Petitions for Private Bills, and oo Private. Bills, prepared under the direction of the Speaker some years ago, has, from the great inequality of the numbers of Members contained in suck Lists respectively, and from other causes, been found not to answer the object for which it was. framed." Mr. YATES PEEL seconded the motion. He con scientiously believed that any change in the mode of conducting the private business would be much better than allowing it to be conducted as it had hitherto been. It had been said, in answer to a complaint, that Mem bers frequently flocked into the room of e Committee on a Private Bill merely to vote, that the Petition on which the Bill *as founded was a Petition to the House, and therefore that all the Members. of the House were entitled to vote upon the subject. But there was this difference ; that in the House the Members voted on arguments; in the Committees they Voted on evidence. Members who thils attended Committees to vote that the preambles of Private Billshad been proved, did not vote after long arguments, or long speeches without any argument, but they voted .without having heard one word of the evidence. It would be well to pass these Resolutions, if it were only as an experiment. If it should succeed, let the Resolutions be adopted ; if it should partially fail. let the Resolutions beamended r if it should wholly fail, let them be discarded entirely. Colonel DAVIES admitted that great inconvenience arose from the former course with. respect to Priliatc Bills, bat that now proposed irobld, be thought be much worse, and therefore he would give it all the op position in his power. First, with respect to the 120 Members to be on a Committee, he thought it would be extremely difficult to have that number, unless (and it there west many Committees this must be the case) they resorted to the former objectionable course of having many Members named on Committees sitting at the same time. Last Session there were SO Commit tees on Private Bills sitting at the same time. How could such a number be now provided for in the mode proposed? The Hon. Member (Mr. Littleton) seemed to think that it would be e;treasely difficult to get a Select Committee on each Private Bill. Now to him it appeared that the difficulty would not be, very gieat. They had frequently a great many Election Committees, and 'they found very little. difficulty in securing the attendance of Members.— But it appeared that according to the Hon. Member's resolutioos, a person dissatisfied with the decision of a private Committee might appeal, and Hooke had no discretion but to send it to a Select Committee, so that they were to have a Select Conimittee after all., It was said, that to prevent vexatious appeals, ' the person appealing should, in the first instance. deposit 5001. to secure costs, should the Committee decide the appeal to be vexatious. This he thought was a course which the Home had no right to adopt, I 4 was, in effect, taxing the appellants to that extent, and if, as had bees contended on a for. met evening br a Right Hon. Gentleman (Mr. C. W. Winn), the House had no power to compel a Petitioner to enter into recojgni. sancta, bow colsid they compel him to deposit money. On the whole, while he admitted thitt nothing called more loudly for re. medy than the present course, with respect to Private till Cmeinit. tees, still he could not support that now proposed, as be thought it would be worse than the disease. Mr. MABERLY said, that no man could entertain a doubt that some remedy was necessary, and the only question seemed to be, did those resolutions offer the best remedy . ?* He did not think they did, for the snbsti itition of Select Committees in the place of the Com mittees upon Private Bills as now appointed, would, in his estimation, be far preferable. 1 here was some in consistency in the censures which had been passed on Gentlemen voting upon Committees without havini heard the evidence, when it was known to every one that whole shoals of Members came down to vote on the conclusion of every important debate, without having heard one word of the argument. He preferred a Select Committee to the kind of Committee contemplated by these reso lutions, if it were only because the former gave a better chance of the Howse admitting an appeal to itself, which he thought better than any other appeal. Lord ALTHORP thought that Select Committees would be an improvement upon the existing system, although he, upon the whole, preferred the plan pro posed by the resolutions before the House. He thought there would be some difficulty in forming so great a number of Select Committees as would be required every Session for Private Bills. England was now di vided into districts, and when he, as Member for NJrth- ampton, moved that any local bill should be referred to a Committee consisting of the Members for that place, and the Members for the adjoining counties, it was per. fectly well known of what individuals the Committee would consist. The proposal of taking sixty Members from the adjoining counties, and+isty from other part* • P afEngland, he thought very cAsiderable improve usent. For instance, in the case of a projected canal t it might probably be intended to run through all the counties whose Members were to be upon the Commit. tee,'as at present constituted.. But by taking Members from other parts of England, greater impartiality would be s ecu red. With respect t tp the proposed deposit with the Clerk of the Fees in case of appeal, he saw ao difficulty or objection. He did not support the Resolutions as uoubjectAcmable sr anal, but he thought something ougbt to be tried. Mr. Alderman WAITHMAN said, as * it was gene rally admitted that great abuses prevailed in the ap intment and conduct of private Committees, he felt obliged to the Hon. Gentleman for his attempt at cor recting them by the present Resolutions, though he believed they were likely to MI far short of a perfect remedy in the case. The Resolutions, if adopted, would be a strong instance of the House voting a censure on itself, because they admitted bow gross and scandal ous some of the proceedings under Committees sit ting beneath its sanction had been. In saying thus much, he knew that he did not exceed the limits within which he was bound to restrain his observa tions, so far as the present Parliament was concerned ; but as he was not equally restricted with regard to the past, he would touch lightly on the living, but speak strongly of the dead ; and he had to com plain of the wrong which he in his own person, and which those with whom he acted had received. A petition was presented from the Corporation of London against a Bill which bad been last year before the House, praying to have that Bill (the Equitable Loan Bill) re. famed to a Commitree ; and also for permission to allow the Corporation by their Counsel or agents, to be heard against it at the bar. It was at first said that the Cor poration, though representing all the trade of the City of London, did not represent any particular interest, but that plea was subsequently given up. Indeed, the House could not fail to .recollect the precedent of 1736, where an investigation similarly called for took place, and from the result of which several Members of the House, who loudly complained of calumny, and chal lenged inquiry, were compelled to give up their seats, and retire with public disgrace. Though the Com mittee consented to hear Counsel in favour of the Bill he alluded to, it was not . without great difficulty that it could be prevailed on to listen to Counsel against , it: - He afterwards demanded to be heard as an agent of the Corporation, but the grounds of favour, not of right, on which it was agreed to hear him, he declined to recognise. It was then intimated to him that .he would be heard as a favour, not as a right. He said that he had not been allowed to open the case, and hoped the Committee 'would, see the injustice of bting ing forward witnesses who would be allowed to give evidence only as a matter of favour, and consequently protested against the injustice of the proceedings. He would net be crippled in the course which he Attended to pursue, and would either be allowed the right of going into the whole affair, or he would not enter into it at all. When the House recollected the jobbing and the tricks of those Companies—when they recollected that many of the Members were Directors, and either held shares, or had sold their shares and pot the money in their pockets—they would soon becon- Vinced what an opening there was for unjust and illegal proceedings. In the ComMittee to which he alluded, practices of this description were carried on, and he would pledge his life, his character, and reputation, to prove this, if he should not be prevented, before the House of Commons. Some of the members of that Committee held shares, and then had sold out.—(Cries of order.) The'subject was most important to the public, and he would not have alluded to it at that moment, had he not conceived that he was perfectly in order, and performing his duty. The object of the House at that moment was to provide a remedy for evils which existed in these private Committees, whose conduct, in many instances, was most dis graceful, and surely it was net disorderly to point out the causes which produced them. The , remedy pro posed was, that an appeal should be made to another tribunal. In order to obtain the right, the complaining patty must deposit 5001. as a security against vexatious and frivolous appeals, and this probably after they bad spent 5,00 W. in defending their rights. This he en tirely disapproved of. The House must art of an go to the root of the evil. They must appoint Committees as Juries are apphinted, free of ail party bias or interest in the question. He hoped that a remedy would be provided, add one much more effectual than the resolutions of the Hon. Gentleman were likely to produce. Mr. Secretary PEEL said, that taking into cOnsi 'deration all.the circumstances of the question, he should certainly vote for the Resolutions as 'an experimental measure. He confessed that he did not give his vote with such an entire conviction that the late House of Commons had conducted itself upon the subject so im properly as the Honourable Member (Mr. Waithman) bad asserted. Committees had certainly been appointed, in which the opinions of those who had duly attended 'to all the duties of the Committees had been overruled by those who had 'not atteoded to their duties, and it Was quite proper that a remedy should be created against such aq abuse. He had frequently attended to these subjects in the last Parliament, and if the late House bad been the mass of corruption which the Hon. ,Member for London had described, be musthave heard of some instances of great injustice done with teferente to private property, but no such Cases had come within his knowledge. He gave his vote with reference to fu ture abuses, and not from any conviction of improper proceedings in the last Parrliament. With respect to the license of reprobation which the Honourable Member had given himself - against the last Pediment, because it was now dead, he (Mr. Secretary Peel) begged the Honourable Member to consider, that the individuals who had composed that Parliament were not dead, and it was natural that they should be alive to its reputation. He objected to the principle of selecting the Members from the County out of which the business arose, and from the adjoining Counties, for it made the number of names depend, not upon .the importance or nature of the business for which they were selected, but *poi the mere localiiy of the County. He had takers the trouble to ascertain the number of Members to whom Private Bi} would be referred, accordinir as they arose out of the different Counties. A Pri vate Bill .arising out of the County of Derby, al though a County of great importance, and Involving numerous interests, would be referred to 80 Mem bers ; a Private bill from Warwick Would be' referred , to 87 ; from Leicester 69; from Staffordshire; a most important Colony, combining great agricultural- and manufacturing interests, only 66. There had been a case in the last Session of the last Parliament, in which a proposition relative to a Canal in Staffordshire had been refereed, in ,the usual count, w the Members of that Comity, and , to •the Counties adjoining i and it happened that every one df "these' . Membei - s . was a Defector, or person Ally concerneJ with the Canal, In Devonshire, the, number of Members vrcrtld be WS ; Wiltshire, 194; Hants, 234. There would be four tinter as many Members to decide a Private Bill aria ins out of Hampshire, as to determine one which might arise out of Staffordshire. This alone was a sufficient reason for adopting some arrangement_ that would give a greater Equality of votes, and - ensure a more rigid iMpartiality upon such occasions. He would, therefore, adopt the first three Resolutions without difficulty. It oculJ be impossible, in the first Session of a Parliament, to adopt the principles upon which• Election Committees were apprinied: Let u be supposed, for instance, that ten Election Committees, and ten or twenty Private Bills Committees, were to be formed at the same time. --- It would be better to afford the corrective of an appeal i than that of a Select Committee. He did not think that local in. terests ought entirely to be excluded from Committees on Neale Bills. Of the 120 Members that should form the list, about sixty ought to be of local interest and connection with the subject. He believed the best corrective of the abuses complained of, would hn letting in the light of day upon them. After a few remarks from one or two Members, the first Benda. lion, for which see conclusion of Mr. Larrcermes speech, was put front the Chair and agreed to. The second Resolution was then read from the Chair, and was as follows : I " That with a •iew more nearly to equalize numbers, and to cot. rect too strong a prevalence of local Interests on Committees on Pd. rate Bills, it is expedient that a new distribution of counties should be.made, containing, in each list, as nearly as may be, 1 ZO dlemben, one half only, or thereabouts, to be taken from the county immedi ately connected with the object of the Bill, and the adjoining court. ties ; and the other half from other more distant counties of Great Britain and Ireland; and that the klemben serving for such conse ties, and the places within such counties should oonsitute the Cons. Nikki on each Bill." After an observation from Mr. MAMMY and a Member whose name we did not know, the Resolution was agreed to. The SPEAKER having put the Sd Resolution, "That Mr. Speaker be requested to direct a new distributko ot counties to be prepared at the commencement of each &aka, in such manner as shall be approved of by hint conformably to the principle of the foregoing Resolution." Mr. C. W. WYNN suggested the propriety of omitting the clause " at the commencement of each Session." Mr. LITTLETON concurred in the omission.—Agreed to. The 4th Resolution was then put and agreed to It was as follows t That every Committee on a Private Bill be required to report to the House the Bill referred to it, with the evidence and minutes of the proceedings." The SPEAKER read the sth Resolution, to the fol. lowing effect : " That a Committee be appointed at the commencement of every Session of Parliament, to be called The Committee of Appeals upon Private Bills; *Mils Committee shall consist of ill the Knights of the Shire, all the Members for Cities, and such other Mombeis as may be named therein ; so that the whole number appointed to serve on such Committee shall amount to 200 at least." It was agreed to, with the omission of the same clause as iTI the 54 Resolution. After an observation from Mr. Hut u, the 6th Rem. lotion, which was as follows, was agreed to: " That where any party interested in a Private Bill, who shall have appeared in support of his petition, by himself, his Counsel, or Agent, in the Committee upon such Bill, or where the ptomoters of a Private Bill shall be dissatisfied with any vote of the Commit. tee upon such Bin, and shall petition the House, setting forth the particular vote or votes objected to, and praying that they may be ,beard by themselves, their Counsel, or Agent, against such vote or votes, such Petition shall, together with the Report of the Com mittee upon the Bill, and the minutes and evidence taken before such Committee, be referred to a Select Committee of Seven Mem bers of the Heise, to be chosen by ballot from the Committee of Appeals upon Priyate Bills, which Select Committee shall hear the arguments of the parties complaining of, and also of the parties sup. , potting such vote or votes, and shall report their opinion thereon to the House." - The 7th Resolution was then put : " That whenever a petition shall be presented, complaining 'of any vote of a Committee upon a Private 11111, the House shall ha a: day whereon to ballot for a Select Committee, to which such peti tion shill be 'referred; upon which day, at a quarter past. four o'clock, or as near thereto es the question which may be then before. the House will permit the Speaker shall order the doors Of, the House to be locked, and the names of the Members composing the Committee of Appeals upon Private Bills being written upon sepa rate pieces of paper, add put into the glass, the Clerk shall draw therefrom the names, until Seven Members of such Committee who shall be then present, and who shall not have voted in the Consinittee upon the Private Ball ti Which the Petition refers, shell have answered to their names; which Seven Members shall be the Select Committee to whom tuck petition shall be referred, and such Select Committee shall steel for business the fOliiiwing day at eleven o'clock, •and continue to sit, to die iw diem, until they shall have reported upon the same, and thit'only one Counsel or Agent shall he heard in support of the petition of any one party." Mr. CALCRA FT asked, what course would be pursued, in the mete one or more Members of the Committee being absent through sickness? A desultory conversation ensued an this subject, in she course of which an Honourable Member having pressed the inquiry further, and demanded what was to be done in the event of the death of a Member of the Committee? Another Hon. Member replied, °such a casualty was rendered impossible by the terms of the neat Resolution (the tab which provided " That no Member of such Select Committee shall absent himself therefrom.during its sitting." (Laughter). The sth Resolution (as above) was the° put and agreed to.- On the Resolution, " That the party applying should deposit the sum of £5OO with the Clerk of the Fees, in order to cover costs." .Mr.G.LAM B wished the Resolution to be postponed, as he believed there were many Gentlemen, not now in the House, particularly averse wit. He feared it Would become a source of inconvenience, if not of unpleasant litigation, in which the dignity and authority of the House might be called in question in a Court of Law. He thought for many reasons that this Resolution had better be withdrawn for the present. After a few observation from Mr. W. Wroxind Mr. Secretary Pm, 'Mr. Lerssrrow agreed to postpone the Resolution, and refer it to a eminmittee. The committee was then appointed. IT. • 'AGE. On the niotion of Mr. Helms, the House, then resolved' 104 into i Committee on the St. Ddmingu.Postage. Mr. HERRIES said, that 'his object was merely to obtain the stnction of the Legislature to certain regula tions which it had been found necessary to adopt, in consequence of the altered gate of commercial relations in America. Mr..HUME inquired if it was not possible to intro dime i clause to remedy a defect in the law for the transmission of Newspapers to the Colonies. According to the Act of Parliament, Newspapers must be put into the Post-office on the very day of their publication, or they were charged the full postage by weight. He thought a charge of three halfpence only. ought to at tach upon the conveyance of Newspapers of whatever date. Nothing was more desirable than to maintain free communication of ideas between every part of the empire. The example of the United States in this respect ws* well worthy of imitation. Not only newspapers, but pampilicts and other periodical publication, were conveyed at a very small expense. As our packets were vessels of 200 to 250 tons, the weight of newspapers weld be of no consequence. Mr. HERRIES thooght that this suggestion might be snore properly made when the Bill was before the lieu"' There was nothing in,tise ?resent measure tending in any degree to strengthen the law of which the Hon. Gentleman complained. Atter a few words front Mr. Huns and Mr. &swum, the Risco lotion fixing certain Rates of Postage was put and carried. .* The House then resumed, and the Report was tattered to be received to-morrow. ------- -------- Coax unsagnirm The Indemnity Bill, for the Order in Council, permitting the Importation of Foreign Corn,was then brought in by Mr. Haws& Read 4 first time, and ordered to be read a second time to•morlew• Mr.sliumst gave notice of his intention to move for Copies 01 t h e Correspondence between Col. Bird and the Commissioners of SP' quiry at the Cape of Good Hope.--.Ansouassis. i llooe lii 1 LI itti