Star. — London, England, 1829-05-22 00:00:00

b i rgiOd to im tbolktiuntrable sad teinuatiteetlenian in the House. He Meant &ships , pefapeal IC/ that' Hon. and Limped Gentleman t bathe would be mu& b e tter pleased to see him. contending on On Boor of that li oos o than to see him on a scaffold. Perhaps that was eat a ver y hippy phrase, but he would rather see cite . ,Honourable Gentleman in that House, than see him A ddict:flog a multitude Wei any elevated . building. If • alse question was addressed to the prikatefeelingt of the' Honourable Members of thit House, he oat care ;lief would all confess that Mr. O'Connell had been treated • •too severely as an individual. If the people were ap. pealed to on the subject, he was sure that the admission of Mr. O'Connell would receive very gelieral approba tiun. He was sorry that the proposition to admit Mr. inonnell did not originate with the Honourable and Learned Gentleman (the Solicitor General)-I(Hear, b o o, He (General Gascoyne) did not take any pan io the late debate on Mr. O'Connell's elegibility. bocaose he felt that there was an insurmountable ob jection to Mr. O'Connell's admission under the For his own part he did not think that there was the smallest doubt on the subject, and be envied the'pene tration of those who could discern the doubt. If the measure now proposed, however, was : agreed tn. he would. propose one or two little alterations. Those alterations might be' introduced in the way of in structions to the-Committee to extend their inluiries; and he thought he could propose Some alterations which would give more' relief to thole intended to 'be benefitted by the Bill, and mete satisfaction to . those who might be called the foes 'of Popery. It might be said it was too late in the Session to introduce . any Bill on the subject at present, but the Bill might surely pass through the House in three weeks, and there I would be no difficulty in passing it through. the other House: NOw that the Legislature Bird come to a Cooler judgment en The subject, he conceived great improve meats might be effected in the late inetsure. He was • sanguine enough to suppose that if the . House should enter into the Bill again, Many objections miglft be re conciled. It might be said that it - was - never contem . plated that the Bill should be altered during this Session; but whilst the Bill was in progivss his Rt. BOn. friend (Mc -Secretary Peel) moved a clause to amend and re peal the Act a. originally introduced; andlie (Gen.G.l did not go so far now as to propose the repeal Of the measure. The , Relief Bill was passed with' great baste, and it was not to be'wondered that it should be necessary tot repeal parts of the Bill; and.there was no doubt; at all events, that it might be improved. Those were general' considerations perhaps, but the qtlestios which the House now.had to decide war, whether it would assent to issuing a wilt for she election of aMember for the county oiClat e? It appeared to him that there %Tea some question if a new election took place for Clare,whether Mr. O'COnnell was eligible to be reelected after having refuted to take the oaths? This ought to be decided before the House as sented to issuing a necr writ. For his own part he though t that the Bottle Would appear better in the eyes of this country, antinf Europe, if it ceased to offer opposition to the claims of an individual who had in no other degree offended than by consistent and indefatigable efforts which his ireligioui tenets and fixed opinioai made it his duty so persevere in. Mr. O'Connell had certainly kept up a strenuous and effectual opposition to that Administration which subverted the Constitu tion, and in doing so, perhaps, heves as sincere and well-intentiooed 'is these who oppoSed the late measure. Mr.IRIDLEY COLBORNE thought there was a great . deal of incivility. and harshness in the speech they had ' just heard, which, he was sute,"the house could hot sanction. For his own part hi h;d no personal hostility to Mr. O'Connell, and, indeed, if any one entertained a feeling of hostility towaids the Learned Oentleasao, the tone And temper of his speectiat the bar would have die. armed it. He agreed with the H. aid crallint Member who had just sat doom that there wet titiltieniitier in that House who did notice! some 'relicts** tn.entiog for the issuing of a new writ, and thereby candling himas it w ere.. 'lice dews of the Honourable Member for Limerick, however, were even more objection; able than thou of the host speaker. .The Hon: Gen deafen proposed thbt - the House should proceed to legislate on a Rill pelted duly three weeks ago, and thiii to remedy s defect which was seen at the time, under,-. • 'toed at the time, and even pointed out at the time. His Hon. Friend, thesMember lot Limerick, bad done. down . and intimated that he was aathorioul by. Mr. O'ConnelliO state that he would waive any object of per. sonal ambition rashes' than threw any difficulty in the way of the settlement bf the great national question,. This was .undentood its• a kind tof acquiescence its the Meatus on the part of Mi. O'Connell, said be got credit for magnanimity in conseqoenste; but no one who gave him that ctedit iniasisted that he was merely standing back until the Bill passed, in 'order 'that be might then hting forward his pestlesnail claiwW. It might be that some supported tt.e Bill because it contained the dense ostler which Mr. O'Connell was • tendered ineligible ; and was" it fair to come forwent noseiafter the. eleventh bony, keeause alter the Bill was pussed,••and to ask for•the repeal of that particular' clause? As he (Mr: R. Colborne) had acquiesced in the Bill be could not conscientiously vote lot the-proposition of the 'Honoutattle Member for Lilneviek. Those Hoftrif . Fiettle•Medibers who, like the crellatit General t(ristaini),.ti,ted against .the Bill, and tit who had, stoat 'booed the Aiosise v roiabt vote for the lien. Me*, bet of Limerick's poopesittoa ; but as to those who acquiesced is the measure as originally ptoptised. knew-' In 'that it contained a clause, the direct object of which was to ezeitide Mr. O'Connell, and who were now prepated to vote with his Hon. Friend, be could - only say that he envied their liberty of comfiest*, but he eottld not uncles stand the principles on .obith they aest4. Ho thought that an alternative might be pin .poted which would ptevent the necessity of-embracing nidiestet the propositions now before it. ' Might set the Wrists. eurpeaded as was done iq the eaten( Eastßet. Slid what injury could accrue? He miglit be asked, what good would be . dene by adopting such a cloths'? hut he tlitufght that good might be done. The fever 'might be worn out, and Mr. O'Connell nsigbt in time . lose the reluctance he now•felt to take the oath of su ptemasy. Individuals as eonseieutioos as Mr. 9 - Connell • mast have taken the oath of supremacy. Mr.O'Connell too might deetn it advisable to accept of the Chiltern 'Hundreds, or b e mi g h t b e ra i se d to the highest station in his profession, and thus, of necessity, vacate his seat. He (Mr. R. Colborne) would be extremely glad that exegetey for. the county of Clare occurred ids that way rather than by excluding Mr. O'Conocil, He confessed be did not like the tone in which Mr. (Mon -sell stated his objections to take the oath It's' Muth is be admired - hisspeeth at tbe bat; but he thought the feast objettionable nseasure was the suspentlioa oi .the visit,ll be saw the Haim was not disposed tOndopt enggestion ) of course he weuld nos preslitt .ktut if forced to it, he must vote again s t hi s EldedtifelPeFliend OW Member for Limerick), and vote ip favou of the proposition of the Honourable and Learned licitor etieral 4 or not vote at all. Mr HOSifSsON said, that as ise'bed. , ,on a former occasion against the Solicitor General's motion,' . . 1 • F - t; • the ,J ~~ . be wished Ow to, iqfp ,timargstitti . op, whim" be voted . I apiiiit- the 4l4oiniee OCIPMee. tick.. By the,vote of the Bloula ot Iddliday Wert sky hid fnlir end irrevocably illived that Mrs 0 Condon could riot take his mak WithoUt having previously taken the oath of iapremacy. When the Hon. and Learned Gentleman tame down to take his mat_under the•lee , as it now stood, they were admonished that they were sitting' in a did cbtractet--4itt admonition which he felt be not require, for be was pressed to de-1 tide on the question as a judicial question. :in that character he had listened • to Mr. O'Connell's argu ments —considering' them as in some degree apart**, and be had also listened with equal attention •to the speech of the Hon. and Learned Solicitor General, and to those other Honourable and Learned Members who, from their profession, and peculiar studied and per suits,ware allowed to be the best able to guide the House in its decision on such a question. He Budded its the humbte character of a Juryman ; but even ara Sury man be felt he was bound to consider the construction of the law, and its application to this particular case. If there was a difference of opinion and a around of doubt, he Considered they were bound to give the benefit of that doubt to an indiridtial against whom they were construing a highly peoal Act of Parliament. After be had heard the perspicuous and forcible argument of the Hon. Member for Peterborough (Sir J. Scarlett) he could not but entertain a doubt tis to the construction of the law, and eritertainina such a doubt, be voted against the pro. position of the Hon. and Learned Solicitor Gem because it would preclude the House from entering into any further consideration On the subject. The Catholic Relief. Bill, was intended as a measure of perfect con cession, and he admitted that he was aware, when ire Bill was passed, that it contained a - claase whicb, Ii he then thought, would prevent the Membet for Clare from tiking.his seat. But if, from the wording et the Act; it appeased that Mr. O'Connell Could take his seat, or that his inelicibility was not unequivocally et tablished, that was a sufficient ground at least for pausing before finally.deciding on the question. He was sorry that the House did not enter Imo his views on the question; but he could not now forget *that the House had affirnied the proposition of the Honourable and Learned Gentleman (the Solicitor-General) and on this, as on every other occasion, be thought the Howe Was bound by the. act of the majority. There was a prese-, dent in the year 1801 for thecoune he would hue re commended, in the case of Horne Tooke, who was re turned, being in holy orders. A new writ was moved, for in Mr. Tooke's case, but, instead 'of issuing the writ,. the House appointed a Committee, wbo en tered into an inquiry on the subject above stairs; and it appeared that, according to priociple and usage. from the time of Sir Edward Coke to that of Mr. Justice Blackstone, a person in holy orders was not' competent to sit for or represent the Commons of Eng,. land. The present Lord Sidmouth, then Mr. Addioeton, was the Prime Minister, and, having filled the Chair of that House, it might be supposed that he was well versed in parliamentary and public lam. He declared that he had not the smallest doubt as to Mr. Tooke's ineligibi. lity, sad that he was ready to affirm the abstract • pro■ position that no person in holy orders could sit in the House of Commons. Lind Ellenborougb. the then At. torney General; Mr. Perceval. the then Solicitor Gene ral ; and Lord Stowell, who filled the office of ling's Advocate, all cooconed with Lord Sidmootb. The late Lord Erskine and the now Lord Grey expressed some doubts on the questien, but Mr. Addington said he had no doubts, bat that, as it was a solitary case, besot:mid not propose any measure that would exclude Mr.Tooke, but be would take care to remove all doubts in future by the introduction of a measure which would set the question at rest. Under this arrangement Mr. Tooke sat in that House till the end• of the Session, and, whatever he Might have been before, there never was a more baronet's and less formidable Member 'of Parliament—(Hear, hear). Now, he was sorry the House did not adopt a coarse somewhat similar in the present instance. He had some doubt of the construction Which the Honourable and Learned Soli. citor tieseral put on the law as bearing on the qualm; but the House having affirmed the Honoutable and, Learned Solicitor General's view, he (Mr. Huskisson) felt that be pad only to bow and acquiesce in the decision, and that the House could not consistently en tertain the proposition of the Hon. Member for Limerick (Mr. Spring Rice). After the decision of the Hoist, he felt precisely in the same situation as. if he bad never entertained any doubt. He acquiesced in she Somas Catholic Bill as a measure of conciliation and peace. though the clause excluding Mr. O'Connell was not the pint he admired most, and he certainly did not feel .bat the benefit of the measure was done away, though Mr. .o*Coanall was prevented from taking his seat. He could not help thinking that it was most SA.` fortunate that the Hon. Member for Limerick should have made the propositicio, which be conceived was cal coined to excite, and not to allay, that agitation wbicbl the.fion.hileinber.iottroogly and, no doubt, sosiacesely der teeter,- In the.. ordinary .course he believed It would have been necessary , for the Hon. Member for Clare to sake thy, oath, and the only question Chas re- mained Wita, whether, under the construction of the late Act, be Muld sit without caking it? Now he (Mr. Hus-. kissoa) hada doubt on the subject, and the question win whether he wai right or wrong in entertaining that doubt? This question he had considered with judicial feelingi, and though his opinion differed from that of she majority, he agreed with the Solicitor General for Ireland that the House would stultify. its own proceed. , ingi by sanctioning the proposition now made. He lamented the vote.of the House on Monday night.,stul he also lamented that the Act contained a clams* which excluded Mr, O'Connell but, he coact not new concur in a proposition to .alter that Act. .In refesins to. do so he thought be acted More consistently thin his Hon. Cglleagne (Gen. Gascoyee) who supported the present motion. As to the proposition to maks amendment' in the late measure be would certainly op. pose it, notwithstanding what bad fallen from his Hon. and Lana Colleague. He begged pardon, his Hen. and Gallant Fatted :bad been discussing the Act of Elisabeth, and had evinced so much learning chit it hat ho * Render he (Mr. Huskisson) forgot his proles. sion. lo one sentiment he agreed with his Hon. and Gallant Colleague, namely, that he would rather see Mr. O'Connell in that House than lee him the acknow. !edged _and recognised chief of a numerous and dissa tisfied populatioo. He had heard it stated with great pain that the exclusion of Mr. O'Connell would prevent the late measure of relief from being beneficial is Ire. latd.. The Relief Bill was a great and salutary measure of justice, which, in his opinion, ought to give peace to Ireland, and which ought not to be frittered away be. same one clause was foetid so press hard on thwHoo. , Member.for Clare, or, perhaps. mote properly speaking, the Hon. and Leartted Gentleman. • Mr. FERGUSSON thought the Member. for Lime rick had taken a Most unfortunate tonne. •If it. pro-, ductd agisatioa it:wisuld be attribetable to the motion itself.. But be low an teem why it should produce , ' agitation. If the bill excluded Mr. O'Connell, it erigioata le l6iao" eamilrfioutitselis Wet iepre void by ids Friend as istioutscPag all tperanad cOnsislatitiOns which Mitht gaud in the Way of the measso. Ho was a friend to coaciliat:oo; but if they now receded from the late Act. the effect would be the very contrary. and be an encouragement to future agitation. He wis equally adverse to the props. sition:ct his Hon Friend near hiin (Mr. R. Colborne), for if the writ were suspended it would only keep up the agisation.and give an opportunity to those who were inimical to the great measure of frittering it away by 'amendments. As to the issuing of the writ, what occa sion was there for a notice? The writ was issuable from the moment the Hon. Member refused to take the oaths. He should be happy to Me Mr. CrColloeU ye elected. The electors of Clare had no reason to coo. plain. for they toted under the law u it stood ; if they had any complaint to make, Mr. O'Connell was the oc casion of it. for be pledged himself as a lawyer that be might takp his seat under the law as it stoo d Mr. USICISSON explained. Mr. LITTLETON regretted that such a motion as this was submitted to the House. He attributed none ' but the best motives to his Hon. Friend (Mr. S. Rice),, but he begged to ask him what he proposed? Mr., O'Connell had had the benefit of every doubt that could be raised ran the motion. Did his Hon. Friend expect to succeed in this proposition after the decision to which ' the House came? Mr. O'Connell had no ground of complaint. Had he presented himself sooner to the Heine, he would have sooner had .an opportunity retaining to his constituents. He admitted the mei of Mr. O'Connell to his Catholic countrymen, but be ! 'had no claim. to have his individual cal admitted isms the Act of•ltelief.. • • . Lord NUGENT said be could net vote . * 'the rue 'position of his Honourable Friend - Mt giritlet). lit voted for this Catholic Relief Bill, though them were Some provisions to which he feltobjections, saseng the test that now under consideritioi; bet he . shoisid not think it light to turn round and say that the Bill must be altered to meet the particular case in question, He was a patty to no compromise of principle, but he. I.lt himself called upon to make coaceisions for ih purpose of securing a great public good. He saw ow thing in the conlmon la*, in the statute law, or in the law of Parliament, which -snide it netestary to issue a new writ. The course he should ode r was, to vote against both propositions, that of the Sqlicitor General and of his Honourable Friend (Mr. S. Rice). Sir J: MACINTOSH said if the motion of his Hon. Friend (Mr. S. Rice) should be pressed to a division be would support it. Cestaiely he did know that the Bill would exclude Mr. O'Connell; and though be regretted it, he voted for thkgresi meant*, lest its success might be endanewed by any Unbar cOootleration. He came to the Hone the other. night, determined to avail him self of any dobbtato votefor Mr.O'Connell's taking his: seat. for be considered his the greatest benefactor to Eiglaild and Ireland. Seeing no reason to entertain any such doubts, be declined to vote at all. As it wes now determined by the House that he was excluded tkilifer the Bill. he had no objection to such an emend meat eta)* measure as would admit him to take his wet. As to the pledge given to his Constituents by Mr. O'Connell, there was nothing in it inconsistent with'the character of a lawyer, or a man of bonoer. He thought he might sit and vote under the law as it stood ; and such being his opinion, be was perfectly jesti6ed io de claring it. The tangoes. of Mr. O'Connell proved the purity of his intentions towards his country. But after all he wished the present motion would not be pressed. Mr. W. HORTON concerted in the wish expressed y his Hon. Friend who had just einclutied. He never gave a vote with greater reluctance than that of the Other night; be wished Mr. O'Connell to be placed that House; but be nevertheless had aduty to discharge, and in discharging it he meant no personal hostility to Mr. O'Connell. The Catholic Relief Act bad reference mile to persons elected after its passing, and without any regard whatsoever to the Hon. and .Learned Member for Clare. In tact it was not specially directed against any individual. The qualidentima to sit in that House Were the oaths taktu before the Relief Act, and the re. fusel to take them of necessity induced the rejection of Mr. O'Connell. The House of Commons deliberately decided the.question, and he thOught the motion of the Learned Solicitor General should be dirtied. Mr. S. RICE said. as the question involved some feeling of bouour and good frith, he would, with the consent of the House, nn* withdraw it. He wished to avoid discontent. and if be had tried he begged the pardon of the House. Mr, Secretary PEEL said be had att personal feeling upon the subject, and be was only induced to say, a word upon it, - in consequence Of. *hat bad fallen frOrh an Honourable sad Learned Gentleman. The motion proposed was strictly accordiog• ao precedent and analogy ; and whether thi cases of blouson and psoiliawe were exactly analogous, all . he, .copLi say bias, that while they were not expelled, new..writs *era issued, and such was the case- with Mr. Arch dale. • That of Mr. O'Connell's wit-sfeillar To Mr. Archdale's, and they dealt with"bisn io , the 'Wine way. In a recent case, be meant that of MT. Southey, a new writ was issued upon his refusal to qualify ; that *china; !weever, he admitted to be on different grounds of die- Tlalification. Alt the precedents adduced bad bees since the Revolution ; they had been followed up in the present Case . • the privileges of the House as well as its dignity required them to be so, and therefore Mr. O'Con nett yield not complain eith er of harshness or serillitt. MrAp.'Ccinnell was elected before the conclusion of the We Seaasots of Parliament; he was inLoadon since his sleet eta motion was made on his behalf, until be himself bad recentlythought preper to press hoe thelieese.TheHouse had decided jidicrally, gust that • decisicni the 'Deli writ mart of necessity be issued. It was said in certain quarters out of this House, that indscemeots were held out to swell the majority against his adseissioil ; but Os that aslertion.he gave the most pareoptory and decided denial. It was regarded entirely u a judicial questkest and in taking the coarse the House bad pursued, tith slightest harshness or severity was not intended towards Mc. (Mona ..31r.O'Connell shoold be considered as mete indieidgal Member of Parliament, and regardlai of persons, this Muse he was sate would fearleult 'discharge its duty Hear).- He hid beard thesPecch of the Honourable (Mr. S. Rice) with sods+ regret. It was a bitter satire on the intentions Government, which he (Mr. Peel) thought was psdet served, sad which perhaps the Hop. Member (Mr. si Rice) had. not himself intended. He gave tbe Hen; Member.credit for not wishing to excite diisatiifaction; or .retard the conciliation. or under-rate the penance of the Catholic Relief Bill; and be **ass sails: Ned rhat,witbont indulging in any prophetic expressions, that harmony. and good 'feeling not only wield, but had ,aleeady, most materially resulted from it. The floe, Member (General Gascoyne) seemed to take a 41*- [went' view of the. subject. Tharflon. Men*" arum have greatly at beart.the latetest•altbecooeteelf Lae: castereeed the wealth and prospetlyttfilettoft of ireepool; and as; in charity to tyre lied felipleA a portion of Lancashire, the Government were datenniaed Mr. Secretary PEEL said he never Wetted In any prophecies m to the quiet of 'Wand. • All be said was. that with wet the tat. proved state of Ireland, that threereghnents could be witheafety withdtawnidt. S. RICE explained. Mr. C. W. WY NN saW k appeared doubtfal to hint if the better course would not he.. herb to have lint .discharged Mr. O'Connell from his atteamite in that House, than to abape it to be present forin--(Question. QueigeW). • Mr. BUTLER CLAKKE said he had not the slightest doubt but that the Catholic Relief •Bill wools' confer the most essential advantages no Ireland. The EOLICITOR GENERAL said it way slmost unnecessary for Um to say a ward isteepiy. He meant as harshness or hosti lity • Mr. O'Oxinell called (or the. &minion, and it would be on.. words! of Mal (sloe Solicitor Getters!) Iran mob an occasion be bad 'net honestly On:barged his duty .0a was anxious to pursue the preceding usages and rules of that lipase, sod had not so fax in vaded die dates which were imposed Se bins. The'rootlon wart then agreed to, with a verbal addition upon the suggesdan of Mr. Emulation. A Message from the Lordsannettneed their Lordships' agreement to small gringo Bills.. .; Col. DAVIES said he would move, without further preface, that it be a Standing Order of this House not to receive Petitions after half-past 64 o'clock. Great inentivenieoce. resulted from the existing 'novice; the public business was...delayed,• and it was high time that each. a practice sh. nld, be. abolished: Eve!) , one •knew the title occupied is ptesenting Petitions, the result .of which_ afiet all was in vouching to the ,yespectabiligy oh the petitioners. Upon the C4thotie • Qftentitalt adore there were. 3,000 petitions ; nO•doobt, upon great subjects, they wete entitled to respect, but he would venture to say,that very little a t-ntion was paid to their contents. afthough they expressed the dd. fereot opinions of the people. The J•tornals cf - this Home afforded him many precedents .for his motion, ham tjte yeai,l643 down to the period when the prevent usagelfirst•previuled. • His grestribject was ihst no . new petition should be brongl t up alter half past five, until •ilmOviders of the Day should, have been first disposed of. Mr. E DAVANPORT hairier secomle t l the motic:ii : • . %Ur. i.lfirti.lCTON opposed the motion. on the ground that it timid - SOI be dithaied for odsi iamb, even if it were now agreed too . Hts did mt. sgree . witit the Hon. ldentbii when be said that the pet the pulp!, were netreteived with-every respect, tvr 'die lasoltsknis 104 casks!, the Property that wendonli Men liatherlti , iiiitsuenee of the diSiusWans en repeated pldtiisi dilla;Eferely on tiid :gaga) discuisuon. Upon these Wm. pie gromilthe felt it has duty to opPore — the iltralgirtWere then ordered to.wlshdeitsts, but - • ••• Coduied•DAVl procemie4 to reply: tie said his opinions of ttlfrgiettiee?7ww unchanged, and bellispla divide the House upon niesasaite were then ordered to withdrew; but no divisign nick place, and.thp maim was' °eget teed. withouti division.. • lie. C. PAf,.Lal$R rose potsitant to novice. to move for leave 1s bring io a Mil to alter and atisend the !awl relotive to partepialls. 'Threhjett of ids Dill would beici she greater facility to' the loo ggiellitit life and pre#erty, and secure the public from mwty . uC dime vintages which bad Wren from the improper L..obstruction of hoems,and thereby subjecting e great - and increasing . populs,Ouu Ai the calantitia which had wr frequently attended them Lome wab awn green to bring its the • • • • .The CEA NCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER rhtived the Order 'of the Day toed', Meuse going into a Committem nu the &stela judges' Salaries .Bllli. Sir. W. DRUMMOED (eh a painful duty in resisting the magi ; hot be did so. firmly belkving that'll Wilford impede the rirof dm administratiow of junace in• &Wand tie thorril. a e:sh ss i be wise to incorporate 'frial by Jury with - the I.ms of Scotland; and if this Bill pasted into a jaw, ke feared that that and other necessary improvements would be delayed, it not alt./ether deterred. Vadpusswlnioas existed Pp* the improvements which SEIM beeMbilecessary ; bat of ape thing lae.was certain,' that if Oda edigmased.loto a law, the teatime St knit -evening would• l be most inatertaly_diminislied. . •CMANEM:LOR of the EXCIISQUER eb'al the = don intmaled to be . proposed Wai aue•vihicla. wikt•ni (rot wide any farther measures chit might be neeestary t isisd glitir was stiletl I remuneration for services. - • :11EOU'G HA U said that he hoped when they were in Coil gob" end the Right Hooottrable Gentkinso went intri.bis nate- Wient, be would not forget to make it 'an'integral pas 'allege aspalet the House with the number of days in the weer, aiidihe amber of boon in the day, duridg which thee Learned Persme eat, as also the number of mouths in the year during vittlett . they kept e*clre holiday: He spoke only of the Judgia of ottelison ; for as in some Illentlits there were Bashawli of sib tails and wards, so io &Weather* were Judges of ihrse•garegi, *of two sod glom • gowns... a gown. ' • Mr. FERGUSSON . mid, that although the Scotch todilikeild not,sk so long as she Jedgetin Esgiled, ye* they lead awe Wile . set of Court. He was opinion that the Scotch Judges were nit adequately paid. and was therefore glair that such a swami urea to be brought forward.' Mr. HUSKiSdON-felt some surprise that well simeantre wee to be brought forward at this period of the Seeders, when it was known to be the wish el thre.Gepterathetit to bring the proceedings of Parliamest to a slow as speedily as ppsulble. There were unsay subiecti connected with the Judicial Ratablbharenrs in Scotland sekkill called lot inqtrity and 'perform, and he thought to segment salaries was Imightolog at Me wrung etdb and - particularly in the resent state of the country. He beileved that If the Hume hid now to determine epos the augmentation of the salirlis of English Ja4gea. , -irworrid. net perhaps have- heed doe* 'arm the leak *hills we villa WIS. Mr. Ara EEL said that his Ri;ht Hon. Friend was a Mir air ditint ittaisent whet the salaries of the Riigli J4,lle's mad 12daideaddhe thought that would have beta tee fittest delft fere the maim oftbe increms—{Meat). • WPM' 0801 4 1 said that be had ad, spoherkut the dills tt eireanotaacti of 'the times. Mr. basun PEEL watt is to comsat* that no fats objeclos '• • or. Ink hem tvitsal).l4.bspor to : NM that Pollkialrer tot letter written by han t thitold Lieutenant of bawds the Not& Lord wok Platted so "say, that one regiment Of cavalry and two of ihfantry would be imMeAetely placed.at the disposal of his Ma jesty's Gowen:tient.; This was one proof, at least that a better feeling revelled in Iteland.,:is theeffeeC of the Catholic Belief ;he could unhesitatingly state that the better orders were more closely . ar. prdzinsating, and he sincerely hoped that their ex ample would won Nisi a beneficial effect upon those Who were considered 'their ioteriors. With respect to ihe quesiion immediately before the Hesse. It. consi dered not the result of a new election fat Clam:parti cularly if that were to be compared with the doe.asier 'don and maintenance of the privileges of. that House. He ,saw that the . Disfranchisement Bill was agreed to quietly. Past animosities were already in a greaUde gree forgotten. tie rsiniced that his Hoq. Friend(sr. S. Bice) bad withdrawn his MOyion ; and ha hoped that no diseession on the Relief Bill would be almost within a month of the petiod at 4Shith it was carried.--(Qdeittion, question.) ''lbw Media that Mr. treatersQo trsee . tits writ Ens a haw else. AM tor tha Nutty of 'Clare, is tae shoe of Paola O' n, &q. who had hissed to take the °oda metosary to sit and vo i o ta this Mouse was - to the tote, Wish Mr. B kOU(HAM said, that if Mr. O'Connell bad taken hits seat before the issuing of the new writ,• no petrel . chosen would have enriched to him. And his refusal to take the oaths as now existing did'porjustify e issie of a neir writ.. The precedent and the cons. boo Ilia; 'did not touch thrksase of the Hon. Member fix Claes, although he admitted that ageing upon their privileges, the House could act as they had done.' in the eise of Mr. Archdale he refused to take the Oaths. r.ti'Mohnell, did lot refuse the new oaths—Mr. thosigb.refusing to take the old oaths, could still exercise all the fstivileges of .a Member 'except sitting and voting; artcl baking at the ease of Sir Jo seph Jekyll in 1715, it was admitted, that though he was. not sworn, he was declared eligible so sit in *Sem et Committee. It was a matter if niece discsetion for the Ibuie to issue a new writ, and if it were to be issued, the Walser the better, betauie be had no doubt it would restore Mr..Q:Connell to his seat in this House. . Colonel SI RTHORP honed co emotion the Right Honourable Secretary of lime not to indulge In the repose which he had mad. Hooted as to the quiet of Ireland. He thought that some further that elpholi be takes before the state of Ireland could be considered • lit! delightful. - • . . . , • 61: rd • . . • • I . . I • ii - , .i 4'l t i ~ ~ ,~ ,1 : 41 11 II •