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changetous and mischievous measure ever introduced into this or any other country. He bad not been an intimacies inquirer into the doctrines of the Church of Rome, and he bound that they destroyed three of the commandments of the Decalogue. The Duke of SIJSSEX;' in explanation, begged to remind the Right Rev. Prelate; that in the statement • hilijid 'Mink% be had purPoselynbstained from any reasoning on the subject, because he did not think that ;that watthe time to talk about ir. When the time came, if the Right Reverend Prelate still wished to battle the point, he (the Duke) should be very happy, though he was not eery strong in theology, to attempt to be a gladiator on the Occasion, in the hopes of convincing him. With respect to the petitions, he again stated . that there were several names three times repeated; while such was far, from being the case in the petition which he had the honour of presenting; or if one name bad been intruded, it had been purposely with the view s of producing conclusion; (or it was right that he should inform their Lordships, that the very origin of the riot of which he had spoken, was from the circumstance of a man coming where the petition lay for signature, and signing it after the object of it bad been hilly explained to,bim, and then,. halt an hour. 'aftertiards, returning eed saying that be did not mean to sign the petition; in consetotnee of which a struggle took place, and a p.,ftion of the signatures wait torn of£ The Petition wasthen ordered to be laid on the %bk. The Duke of CUMBERLAND—I can assure your Lordships that I never felt more unwilling to trespass on. your attention than on the present occasion, and no thing but the duty which I feel I owe to your Lordships —to the country—and to myself, could have made me steed up on the present occasion. But, my Lords. I Cave,alwayt been willing to speak out on this subject, and ever shall be. -for I think it a duty I owe to the country to let it know what my ('_clings are. It shall oolong°, bisaid that I am this thing or that. butit shall be distinctly known what I am. It is painful, believe me, my Lords, to differ from my Noble Friend (the Duke of Wellington) with whom I have so long been united ip the bond of private friendship. But I cannot charn;e an opinion which. I conscientiously think to be tight; and mote especially, my Lords, when the guess ti•en is. as it undoubtedly is in the present case, neither more hot less' than this.—is England to be a Protestant or a Popish county ?.(Loud cheers) For, my Lords, the very moment we admit the Roman Catholic into this douse or into the other House of Parliament, I 'maintain that this becomes not a IProtestatit Patliament . -(Cheers). I haVe carefully and attentively viewed this questi: ss every way in the world in which it has been considered ; and the result is. that 1 willnever give my' consent either to a Roman Catholic Peer sitting in this . disuse. or.to a Roman Catholic Member sitting in the. other douse. or to any Roman Catholic being a Minister of the Crown, or to a Roman Catholic Lord Lieu tenant of Iceland, or to any Raman Catholic holding any office that may give bins power to injure the Esti*. tidied Church. Instating my opinions, I mean to shove no hostility to his Majesty's Government. No mane= tespect the Noble Duke mole than I do; and I am quite convinced that in doing what he is going to do, it will cost him a great deal of painful feeling_; but as. an ho e,t :Lao I feel it my duty to state openly my opi; nines and I tru.t that your Lordships will excuse me fin detaining you while I repelled the insinuations which it was necessary I should no longer suffer to go winiliced—(Cheers). Earl GREY observed, that if the avowal of theilles . ,rious Doke, on a subject of such paramount import. since a. that ii.cidentslly introduced by this petition to their Lordahips' nottce, cost him rime effort, it was not . too much for him to say that he had heard that avowal with considerable pain and 'egret, so far as. it , might be expected to pioduce an isrettence on a goes ti, n connected. in his mind, with the best, dearest, and . most vital intere..ts of the country. He should not, '. per h.rps, have troubled tiler Lordships on this occasion, but for a term which that illustrious Person had intro duced unh.'ppily into his apes ch. He alluded to the statement made by tin Royal Doke, that the question to which their attention had been so very frequently drawn this Session of Parliament was neither more nor less than this—was tire country to continuaa Protestant country. or to become a Roman Catholic country? He denied that such was the qu.stion—(Hear). U that measure of relief to the Catholic body wadi. in his mind, subvert the Protestant Constitution of this coon- try. the Royal Duke himself could not be. a more de cided or determined opposer of the measure. It was not true that this measure was fraught with danger to, but it was true that it wasft aught with safety, and even essential to the preservation of, this Protestant country. It was not a question whether this• country was here after to become a Catholic country. but whether it were to become an united or a. divided empire ?-((less.) This tnetsute,.to far from being calculated to subvert., was eminently calculated to support our Protestant Constitution against all possible divisions which might kiise in this country. tither from the effect of religious .l faction or the bank of political danger. Having said so much in answer to the matter of the illustrious speaker who precededhim, oho bad no doubt been 'prompted to that avowal , by an imperious sentiment of duty. he (Lord Grey) cerra'uly saw great. cause to se. gret:that such an avowal had been made by that illus trious Person just at this moment. He hoped the colour the illustrious Duke bad given to the measure content plated would not be suffered to affix itself to it out of doors ; but that it timid be considered clearly as a. • queiti so. so intimately connected with the best int , rests of the empire, and so log environed by danger .and peril, that it every hour became mote necessary that it should oats anci for vier be amicably settled. • ' The Earl of ELDON—It would appea., my Lotds, that the Noble , Members of . this Hoose.who to-night have founti.it necessary to declare their opinioi s dli this Freat 4 qnestion, have dome. so .with no small pain —that, so a wormy, there was a great.deal of pain an all aides— end; therefere,lshall toy the..less of what I myself feel. Onthe first:day of Alsepteiscoticssion I e;pressed my, positive determination never. to relax my endeavours wliise the mostlfifling chance remained ot eff e ctu a lly resi!trg.thenauds against the itnegrity . of that cost stitution Ashir was established.. at the Revolution. with 'such leneat to all who hate lived. since , that .period. Your Loidships will naturally . expecethat I should de clare my 91 . concurrence Wit b the sentiments of the Noble and illustricus perionaie who spoke hat but one. He ha; dtnte no more . than ju,tice to those principles and that constitution which placed bis family upon the throne 'Of these realeist'ibeyere the sound principles of British lite • and when they shall he derailed from I have tio dilgUlty in saying the constitution has been undetesined. Ido not ; believe, that, cpnaistently . with that constitution, , Roman CitholiCs cyan be admitted lo political power, ai„the Nohlii.codtopPOOP--Whill Lords the desceedaptcof Wbigns—would beet us be, beve. The encestertof those, Noble Peers were all for fkor . estatif Kim. and "Protestant Lords, and Putorstaot Cetamon . .. - si bet their , descendants, though th e is s u e , if time *nit none of. their vision!. FP, •~ ~. 16, she - Told ly, justice, . ___ any m.— tuation may fairly lay claim. For what remains to be done I will, at hitherto, not relit for a single hoer; but the Constitution once gone, I care not whether 1 ever come here again. - If the Bill which is said to be in contemplation should be introduced ) and shoold form part of the law Of the land, we shall sooner bi later exchange Protestant Lords for Popish, Ptotestapst Commons for Popish, and the Revolution of 1668 will be utterly and totally undone. I shall, any Lords, fol.. low the example of previous speakers in not pressing this discussion farther at present. We shall have ea opportunity very shortly of discussing it at the utmost length. But my honest opinion is, that the slighte,t in-' troduction of Popery will lead to its spreld through every part of the system. These are my sincere and independent sentiments, and I am indifferent as to hoar they may be received either in the House or out of it. I have expressed them thus, considering i t t to be a dolt which I owed to my fellow subjects, to our common King, and to myself. I feel it to be my duty, as long as I have a seat in this House, to raise my voice against Popish principles, and to maintain the Constitution as settled at the Revolution of 1688. Lord PLUNKETT, although this was not the proper time to argue the question, most be permitted to advert. to one of the arguments of the Noble Eatl, who, follow, ing the example of the Illustrious Duke, had taken for granted that the subversion of the Protestant Constitu tion was a necessary consequence of repealing the dis qualifying statutes. He trusted he was as good a friend to the Protestant Constitution as any of their Lnrdships, apd without doubting the sincerity of any Noble Lord, he would say that they were the greatest enemies of the Protestant Constitution who placed it upon grounds inconsistent with the rights of a large proportion of the subjects of the State. The principle of exclusion was held to be one of the glorious principles of the Revo. lotion, and althoogh the argument had been a thousand times refuted both in this and the other House of Par battiest, the advocates of exclusion perseveringly se. turned to it. He pledged himself to show that there was.no such principle recognized at the Revolution,— The only principle the; established wits that of a Pro- testant King. The lam : . which excluded the. Roman 'Catholics were not. ea" entitled at the period of the Revolution. The ota!pe w . yeas that of the ISth of Charles 11. which haii,tte origin in the plot of Titus Oates, which was the. offspring of falsehood. To say that this law was a part of the Revolution was to dis grace tie Revolution. The Clubs established to per. palpate this law should not profane the name of Bruns. wicklY adopting It 4 they ought m call themselves Titus : Qatees Clubs. This being the origin of the law °featly.. sloe, what was its object? It *as to guard against the danger oft Popish successor; and if Parliament could have passed a law exclodingJames the Second from the.throoe. they. would not. have. excluded the Roman Catholic subjects of the Crown from their civil rights. So far from being, identified with a Protestant succes 'sion,lt Was adopted as a substitution for a Protestant iuccession. at the perod of the Revolution, did they say that this low was to be considered as immit table and eternal? They did no such thing. They declared that. a Protestant succession was to be a fun. damental lair of the. &Ate, and he thought hanged not ask the. Noble Duke if there was any thing in his pro: posed measure to affect the Protestant succession? The 'silence of the Constitution was a Representative Go vernment ; but the Noble Earl took up the exemption to the Constitution. and confounded it with the Consti tution itself. The time was not then ripe for repealing the disqualifying Statutes, but there was a studious and ar.xioth desire to avoid recognising exclusions and dis qualifications as part of the Constitution. Where were they to be found in the. Bill of Rights, which included whatever was to he deemed essential? The NobleL'rd here referred to the Acts of Union with Scotland and Ireland, bath of which negatived the assumption that the disqualifying Statutes were fundamental and un alterable laws 4 the inooarcl.y. The Ministers were about to intim : as a great act of justice and polity, the anticip stion of which had already done more to trio. guiltiest Ireland than could have been accomplished by anz other means; and he hoped to see the day whip this Act would be admitted, even by those who now' opposed it, to bare exalted the glory, extended the re sources, and increased the power of the State. The Earl of ELDON begged to be allowed to make one observation. He could assure the Honourable and Learned Lord who bad jos; sat down, that the ergo. menu he. had seed bad 'been answered over and over again in that House; andhe would only.add that, when the question came regularly before their Lordship, and that the proposed measure was open to discussion; he (Lord Eldon) would be ready' to with the Noble and Learned Lord, and with the Noble Lord who sat behiad him (Lord Holland). Lord REDESDALB addressed the Hotise.lo reference to what had lallen froa. the Noble anJ Learned Lord (Plunkett), with regard to the security afforded by the circumstance that the possessor of the Crown was a Protestani; be begged to be allowed to observe that, if the King was surrounded by, advisers who were not Protestants, it would be impossible for him to.protect the Protestant constitution. What h a s passed t.ithin few years. was sufficient to convince any rational swan that it was even more ins; or tent that the principal Mi nisters of the Crown should he Protestant than that the King himself .hould be a P.oteront. There were cer tain fundamental principles agreed to and embodied in laws which had hitherto been the security of the Pro testant Churches of Eggland, Ireland, and sarmiland.— The laws enacted that the Throne should be altad by a Protestant, and that the two Houses. of Parliament shOuld he exclusively Protestant. This was the end and principle of the law, because it had resolved that this should be a Protestant Kingdom.. It was now soposed o, admit:Catholics into.the Legislature. which was, in effect, saying that it was no longer expedient tn.preserve the..Po..testant Constitution of those realms, tor the ob., jest of the laws ex:lading the Catholics was to pee. seism the Protestant Constitution. It might be said that, as the King was to remain Protestant, the Protes tant Constitution was not altered. But he contended that it was impa red by the admission of Roman Catholics, to the two Houses of Parliameut, and that it was now become a Roman Catholic Constitution, less the King, who was to remain a Protestant. This was the only difference between a Constitution entirely Catholic sod that which was now psopo4d, and which he copula's' was a direct subversion of. tbe Constitution. established' at the Revolution, which bad so long been approved of by the inhabitants ot those,l444ents. In,conelesion, the Noble Lord intireatodhii impatiensof opposing any fare ther coraessious to the Rerillan Catholics, whenever, the proposiiirio tq th#t effect came regularly.before.the Haire.' • ' • Smi'MATHURST.rese tb fiesied th•lrlawdthdyi get they . this swoop,. ea, lek !eke 4, hers . *ea. . - • % and tile Leas Cearollehqk 'Pe ' ANC=at .. 4 .._ ► said fekli. jo‘ ,:t• the Heise, est to gen . theJ had wited.en the stun. before the House w en .a Hoeg Duke (Cumberland) rose to address them. Incidence to the Royal Doke he did not interfere. ' A Noble E srt (Grey) had fallen into she sameonist.lee, .end Meer the Royal Dube In reply, as 0 doubt he thought be was justified itt 'doing. 'He (the Lord, Chinteollor) •did not leer Mittel( justified in interpoling.wbile the Noble Earl was addressing the Hon e ; but he had' nor to apologise for allowing.the rules of their Lordships to be deviated from so far. He thought he was also celled on, from what had fallen from the Noble and Le+ned Lords who had addressed theme to ;state distinctly : the grounds upon which be was prepaled to vi to `tor Vie repeal of these laws, which he -did tint hesitate to state he had long considered essential to the security of the best interests of the counts y. After a careful perusal of the m, he confessed be did entertain an opinion different from the Noble and Learned Lords. He stated that opinion with great deference, yet with great firmness, and aker the best. attention he had teen able to give to the subject; and he could assure their Lordshi pshe-vroted take no-part in advocating any measure which was in consistent with the Constitution of these kingdoms. He would but ill deserve to be placed in the situation he held if he recommended any measure destructive to the •Constitution, or injurious to the interest ef the country. lit bad been said that, in re, Ealing the laws affecting his Maj sty'sltomanCatholic subjects,thoy actedat variance with the principles of those individuals who had est s wished the .Constitution of 1688. .When •a calm and deliberate view was taken of the state of behold espe cially. and of the whole sondition of the kingdom as affected by those laws, be was satisfied that the Illustrious individuals to whom rename had been side, were they now living, and aware of the present - state of the country, would pursue the very same course tallith wasporsued by the adasinistratina. Another topic had been glanced at, and many doubts, inspici pns, and surmises, had been thrown out with respect to the pro- Med measures, as if they could in any degree affect the Slecceseion to the Crown. When the question came regu larly before the House he would beready totonabat with Noble and Learned Lords, and he made bold to say that there would be nothing its the proposed measuirs that bore in the-slightest degree on that point. He had the greatest possible respect for the talents of his Noble and Learned Frieark(the Earl of Eldon). but when the q•ses• bon came tally before the House, be thought be should be able to expi , se the fallacy of the Noble Earl's argu waif. aud to prove that there wasnothing inconsistent ,with.the principles established at the Revolutino in the proposed measure for admitting Catholics to Parlia ment. He would not trespass longer on theit.J...ord• ships' attend= in. respect to the doctrine that bad teen held on this bead, but he thought that the course of proceeding adopted was only calculated to agitate the public mind, and to lead to no good result.— In his Majestes.hlessage, which the House had heard on the first. night of the Session, an allusion was Amide to the necessity. that existed of discussing this question with temper and moderation; but since that night every attempt.had been made to agitate the public mind, and to prevent the temperate consideration of the question. Was this decent os proper, he would ask, when the contents of his Majesty's gracious Speech were considered ? His Majesty recommended that this great and important object should be treated. when it came to be discussed, in a manner worthy of its imoortance. Noble Lords w.te to consider whether the disabilities sander which his Majesty's Catholic subjects lab oared I could be removed, so far as this could be done consis [tently with the Protestant Constitution, and with the 'rights and privileges of the Established Church? This being the recommendation of his Majesty, the Adminis tration were pledged not to introduce soy mea.us e incon sistent with that recommendation; and such being the pledge given by Ministers, he conceived it would have been more proper that tholi. Lordships should w,ait until they saw the proposed measure, and if, when it was submitted to Parliament, it did not come up tohis Ma. jesty's recommendation, then it would be their Lord• ships' duty not do adopt it. For his min part he was of opinion, nay, he was satisfied. that the measures which would be proposed to Parliament by his Noble Friend at the head of the Government might be assented to in perfect conformity with the recommendation of his Majesty. and without danger. and even with satis faction. He had thought it his duty to make.these few observations, though he felt that by so doing he wale:- tending that irregular discussion which had, perhaps, already proceeded too far. • The Duke of RICHMOND begged to set the Noble and Learned Lord right. The Noble and Learned Lord seemed to et:olefin that it was his duty to set the House right on points of order, but he could inform the Noble and Learned Lord, that in that House no such right was recognised, though I e believed it was admitted in the other House of Parliament. Forluis own part, he had not seen any attempt to inilame the passions of the people on the great question which was now the Wont of discussion; but as they were now upon it, he begged to know when the new light in re gard of it when the new light bad arisen tin the Noble and Learned Lord? The Noble and Learned Lord had no doubt altered his opinions from conscien tious motives, but he (the Duke of Richmond) claimed for himself, and for those who acted with him, and thus adhered to their former opinions, the same honesty of rnotive—(Hear, heat). For his own part he was averse from any further concessions to the Catholics; he was satisfied with the hews as they at present stood. If be thought any alteration would be advantageous he would have watched at bat the nature of. the proposed securi des were before he came to any cleciaion; but he re peated that he was averse from any sketationi and when the question came before the House Jae, for one, should be prepared to vote against any further cower° sion—(Hear, hear). The Noble Doke concluded by moving an adjournment. The Marquis of LANSDOWN begged to speak die; word to order. The discussion had proceeded, not on , any incidental motion, but in fact, no motion at all. He: did not believe that the motion for adjournment, which' had just been made by the Noble Duke, was at 4110 cessary ; and, though he admitted that thaNuble and Learned Lord was not obliged is eficio, unless parti cularly called on. to expound the orders of the House,* yet it often became. necessary to appeal to the Noble and Learned Lord. A question sometimes arose,whether, there was or was not a motion before the House? and., in that case, to whom was the House-to appeal if the Noble and Leernect.Lord did not suggest what the l orders of the Howe were?—(Hear I) lie regretted the' irregular discua ti ons.that bad, taken place,,ancl would' nit odd to ithl loeger:trespessing on their Lottishir o the More especially either. mauls! be ample °pruning foi. atoll discussion of the props* amours is thet House. lie *add's* dcusia, tpeitilogisbips,ittOse 'Pressing his isors.tissi that. discussiewirool4bbo46* my part, I pot no faith in any of them. son qtt4lireit-Satof ell Is fled in the posit:slag ibis, the proposed snowily. *aims ow, but t vazoritvim—mr, guiltr,.. ,w. 0 49 op have the Witt of-tagebaoging a Prate"' at rust ' fors* Popish aovernaneattpud o ostitution. In stating - Tue LOKD C ANC thijopirsion, pad in sopponing it as I best may, I ask so offer some apolog to 040 Isfasysedf tbardestm titindolgeoce, or rather, I motives on which he ha. should say, of justice, to which any man in such a si. Mete was no question t .._ ducted with that temper and moderation which theism. whelmiog magnitode of the subject required. The Earl cif ELDON rose to order. He admitted that the Noble and Learned Lord on the Wocemelt h a d the same privilege as any other Lord in suggesting wh at *etc the tears of the House; but be believed the Royal iptc 0;99,44.40Q wok quite in ,teder, At ha had spoken on the piesentatioq, ef 'petition which was et a nature that might well nide,* him or any othe r p eer I* sake notice ell,. - • The I:0lb CH ANCELLORion - The question ah that petition hid been pin and caetied.. the Earl of ELDON wished that the Learned Lo r d *kilt!' soma a little louder. They were not to know, it seen ed. what theMeasuret to be introduced were, aid they were not to knovi *hat the [louse decided as to the_ wetsUres: thit were ibis alight beret. them. No Man would give a more full and hearty coneurt . este than he if its object were merely t t annihilate the Ca. tholic Association ; but, it was understood, that it was to be received as a sort of purchase money given for another measure that was under consideration. of which they knew nothing .. No man, h e thought. who was acqOafnied with the - Ctinaitotion of this country, o r wits its laws, would encert the measure which stand fsr a second reading that night as a compensation fie what he coosit'eted securit.ss of cssent at, importance, He would go farther, and . say that he did not know how far the Roman Catho' ics might submit to the eliae: f r,e nt , of that Bill for the convenience of ti e patty that sup. ported them. But if it was intended to put d.ovn the Catholic Association by that 8.11, he . ?.T . Uttl 6:11 ther he never heard so exttavag Int an opinion farmed on the strength of so futile a measure. It hal heel; said, la reference to a very active member of that Association, that, if be liked, h e could drive through this 11111 in a coach and few ; but he (Lord EltIon) thougithe might drive through it in a donkey-cart—(Laughtert. Lord HOLLAND acriesced in all tb. t had beta said as to the right of their Lordships tai decide chat were the forms of that - House; but be must s.y that the Noble Loid on the. Woolsack had the same light as any other Peer to speak to a point of order, exactly in the same way as if he were not on the Woolsack. It a question arose on which theisLordships were undecided, to whom was an .appeal to be made but to the Noble and Leaned Lord who. from the situation. he filled. was peculiarly well qeslified to itfohns the Howe when it had departed irons its.regular forms? The Noble sad Learned Lord had brit fly adverted to the topics which hod been alludea to, end he did not think it was quite is order f r the Noble Doke (Richmond) to fallow when . there was really no question before the House, thistle the Noble Duke . has) certainly pot rid of that difficulty by the ingeoious but allowable Parliamentary deeice of moving an adjoutnment. As to the observatioa of his Noble and Leatned Friend on the Woolsack, he (Lied H.) thought they were called for by what had pie. viously occurred. The motion for adjournment was negatived without a divides. • DANGEROUS A.IOOIATION-SKTPREINIOE RILL. The Doke-of WELLINGTON rose to move the order of the House, for _the isecond• reading of the Dan gcous Association Suppression. Bill. In, conformity with his duty, it was his.intention to state ti .e grounds on which his Majesty's Ministers thought it necessoty to introduce the measure now before their Lordships; but it was also his intention, as soon as possible, to re turn to the question which had been so much dis cussed for the last two boors, He intended like wise, in adverting to the Catholic Association, to exaggerate and aggravate nothing in the description he should give of that Assembly. In the Speech from the Throne at the commencement of the Session, which had been submitted to Parliament under his Majesty's directions, his Majesty • said be lamented that an Association should continue to exist in that part of the United Kingdom, meaning Ireland, dangerous to the public peace, and inconsistent with the spirit of the Constitution, which kept alive discord aid ill eia amongst his Majesty's subjects, and which must, if per mitted to continue, effectually obstruct every effort per manently to improve the condition of Ireland. Such being the character of the Catholic Association, it was : most important that it should not be permitted. to coatinue. He believed that he was justified in stating, that in the original institution and form of the Society, calling , itself the Catholic Associatiop, there was nothing Mho gal. The constitution of that Association was not il legal, but its illegality proceeded from its acts. Those illegal acts consisted principally in the levy of a tax 'on his Majesty's Roman Catholic subjects, under the name of tent. and, by extreme violence of language and tentonent,telculated to create gteat heart-burning: and jealousies amongst his Majesty s Irish subjects. There were other-illegal measures of 4 subordinate character. Treasurers were appointed for receiving and collecting the tie denominated as the rent," and measures was taken to effect the complete organization of the Roman Catholic pcipnlation. which organisation could certainly have been for no good purpose. Persons were t egularlyap p..inted to superintend the organieatioaAnd these persons assumed a certain kind of authority. The Catholic Am ciation affected to assume the character of Government, and exercised much of that an horny which ought only to belong to a Government. Besides, the rent raised float his Majesty's subjects was expended in a manlier saintly inconsistent with law, good order, and the piesetvatiiin of the established Constitution. A considerable patt of that tax, for instanceewas applied to election purpose,. - This was a matter worthy of the consideration of tbo e Noble Lords who' were adverse to an adjustment Of what was called the Catholic Question. It was a fact that could not be denied, that there did exist, and was in existence, in Parliament, a Roman Catholic influence. and an influence 'rising out of the Catholic Associa tion itself—(Heer, hear). He did not mean to enter into that branch o f question at present, but he begged that Noble Lords would not forget it when they came to discuss those measures. which he should have the honour of proposing hereafter. Beside the money ' spent at elections, there wets other sums expended by the Association in an illegal manner, and particularly in communing the administration of justice in Ireland. • He (the Dike of Wellington) did not deny that it was the eight and the duty of every man to watch close'? over the administration of the law in this country • bet he could never admit that such a right ought to beese etched by a eelf-elected Association, having large.soillio of money at its command, tad employing that ttaoeef in promoting its own views, in exciting liti gat io n, slit increasing agitation • and discontent amongst his 1110' jesty's subjects. The interference of the Cs** Association extended 'to every branch of theassildj" Willies' of justice, for they defended some who and prosecuted' others by means of the funds in &V. hands, which they had acquired by levyir.ga tax of the, people. The interference, commenced with tbs summoning of. Coroners Juries in-criminal eases. of 'capital nature. The agents of the Amenities) were to be found diretting the investigation at this early period I i tad' they also lobs found at a later period, wiles partiei came before the Magistrates to lay inforwistionvp [and when itiwas the duty-oflhellggisitates alone to investigate fltetrantictions; It was quite obvious that sub proem tier. Th4r rivis""` f lood acrectiee si t ar Lords! swam& of sore fit Off . called upon jail, bad rec do Pte In all be r lead of that there newer eieilisation cossion "hie beta llo Tobl, that tate afoot lat of the lan Fe from ttench that were ro4 were receive stunts expree ' from the me; the Catholic --wend from deft 4ke those po ifon was speak the sen Some NIA! gree the very sued; but the be jst•tiflted w Roman Cath lected the se in Parliament single initsni a•gued on tt ported as me this wet the c . &din the arc and she viols of having th these cirenini his Majesty's this nnea sure which bad b .esion bad bee been entered could assure 4 the considera to it with all conviction w Government elusion on dm first putting a clot only Ate conveisation subject. The nary to the otl • iv i s opinion,be and the dignit this course wet and worthy te silent should iitience. He the eyes of a moment, and any man grou *bout to take, than that of e proceeded to ke l fropMed fc .ca their *mei order to effect .other Atsociat year 1787 the tither casting iiod t however in the year 17 not known number, and government a bad riphlly it were had. recd law and uncle suppressing it year 1824 the was not illegal law was props suppressing it, most proilliglol were now in Fe iend on the on the wool sufficient—ant be- was in chi was so. In ti jnorned meetit sussed; and, t were some sul ti.,n, :ciente, allowed to be not come with or,liiiary that I withstanding I the Associatioi 'blame the N deft not %Andsiak—ni ltehind, that Governments them., an unl prom als tine tholic came I did not say tt ships had bet the Members. of Pstrltarnent , ourskle., to, CAth 'tic torts litany years, 6 vary to allude. never foiled to was offered. tb.af has been vernmeut has been gaining j every quesaioo dun, whether i nal 1 . 4 W, tvhitl fie% qu k tiog w Or* CR I PO ich bad b es et leer Ins to • itatiQn, tiODr and the Cnii4oo WI 4 . dbi other l opar b, . Sores to b yll , several Ne ;iil opinion th pr- cause the t . e B o Pee d. c l' h h vic That - tin that t spoke the .„ Ireland. 'l' . . afraid, In ) • *ha atte _._ _