Star. — London, England, 1829-04-09 00:00:00

l i • ;It bid been Said by the Noble and Learned Lord, hat on principle the present measure went to.shake and dis turb the succession to:the Crown. That assertion, was made - on-the ground of an argument attributeskao Moe. sell (Leod Holland) to the effect that the religions opi., tai eni'of* subject height tefoim no bar against is at cesiion -to political Wipes; and on that principle the N eltle.and Learned' Lord cottelnded .tliciheleir to i4bitieViiiin in succesSion 'amid n'orbe:debarted Irons - --.:.•":-ssiddirding to the Throne on account of any particular *taus on aaliitiOne But what be (Load Holland) slid was, that the subject should no be excluded freidf &lily political offices. But then the office of the , 'King wasnot purely a political one — it was also an ec cteitastical -one. The ecclesiastical powers possessed by " the Pape were: at the' reformation, transferred to the ' King, who in consequence was familiarly described by Mat. Bacon as is the Pope with the Pepe io his belly. ' the office of Pint Minister, it. was not contacts. tidnal, nor even legal, to call any. Minister by tbit detiodiination. But supposing the First Minister —for instance, the Noble Duke opposite—to be a Roman Cathalit, sad that, for Catholic• reasons, he gave ad - vice to the Kinkielative to the distribution of Church pittonit i o nr to a Protestant Minister, the Catholic First Minister giving . such advice and the Protestant-Minis tei takitip it would be guilty of .a. misdemeanour, and • subject to the penalties .set forth in-another clause. A ' to. the pioblbility of a First Minister influencing a Lor d " Chancellor, in his own experience it had occurred that a Lord Chancellor not only did not yield, but thwarted wheneser he resisted the influence of a First Minister.- • He approved of the exceptkans in the Bill, but no otheiy. • As to the assertion that this Bill .would surround the King with Catholic Ministers. it was a common, saying that Parliament c. uld force .11 Minister on the King. Nog, he (Lord Holland) had spent much of his li(e an 'endeavouring to surround ilie King with an admiais tration that he did not. like, apd.be did not find it such •an easy j b. On the convary.helound it a most diffi colt eine—ln fact. he found it a most difficult task to 14. (wee the closet of the King," as'tlie phrase went in Lord Chatham's' time; and certainly, inrelation to this • 80, orient the worst methods of forcing the King's • closet would be to select a Catholic for that task, in the face Majorities of Proteitants in the House of Lords. 'in the Commons, and against the wihes of a Bete.. tant peals*. After a few words in reference to the ' maxim that' the King was made for the people, not the people for their roiers t the Lble Lotd concluded by supporting the clause. • Lord KENYON admitted that the people were not made for the King, but must deny that Kings were so 'far made for the people that their Thiones depended on 'the. popular %sill: The object of his amendment was to 't xchi.le ttlah Catholic. bons - the offiarat First Mi •nistervas the working First Minister usually held tome tine of the offices enumerated in his amendment. The Church could not be out of danger unless RomanCa tho:ics were excluded born the highest office in the Cabinet. Lord HOLLAND disclaimed the .opinion that the thrones of Kings might be arbitrarily shaken by the 'shim if the yeinple. But le had the high aothority of King William in, his favour, who alto:wed thetttablishe mein. at the Revolution, of *Parliamentary right to renulate the succession t4.the'Crown.•. Archbishop of 'CANTERBURY Supported , the amendment. The office Of Colonial &dewy might ti he one of the se lons which•Cithelics shOold be ex cluded. as that office possessed the poser of appoint. ing to ecclesiastical . offices in - all the Colonies, as step as the Ea.t Indies. Earl BATHURST said that there mere two ways of excluding Roman Catholics from the piiwer of possess.; ing anjr church patrotiageby• excluding thene•l ors the office of Leeld Chancellor, and when a Catholic should fill an office to which church pa:ronage was an. nexeJ, by tr ansfeiring the t if ht Of ecclesiastical appoint. 'mete to Kane Pr testant °sheer, :itch as the Archbishop of Canterbory. 11 a Catholic Minister should advi:e the King on such a subject. or take advice from . his Ma- t -sty. such Minister would be subject to penalties men. tinned in a Imitate clause of the 11,11. The Bishop of LONDON would not trespass at great length upon the time of yeeir Lordships, but begged leave to offer a few observations upon two of the offices proposed to be excepted by 'the amendment moved by the N. ble Lord on the cross bench; one of them that of Colonial BeCtettry ; the other that of President of the Board of Controul. The interests of those persons who nese Members of the Established Church in the Colonies depended so much upon those officers to whom the exceptions he had mentioned referred, that he could not help wishing that the persons holding those offices should be Pioiestants. The Protestant Church in the Colonies might be saiJ to be - in its infancy at pre ent it was important, therefore, that the people of the Colonies should believe that the doctrines of the Church at England were held by his M 'jetty's representatives ice' the Colonie 1. Under t.ere circumetauces, which wrie - considetably strengthened by information he-had derived t.om herons of credit lately setu'ned from the Colonies, he felt him-elf b. and to support the amendment of the Noble Lord as it respected the offices to which be had alluded. He should add, that already considerable inconvenience hid been felt 'in North America from the influence of persons there. who, although Protestant, were not members of the Eeta blist..eo Chufcb: How much more might not inconve nience, therefore. be felt in the Colonies (in Caoada, for example, whette the Protestant Church as yet only Slanged in sufferance) it the persons at the head of them were to be 11.011/All Catholics. 14 such a case he had no *saltation in-saying that the Protestant Church would run considerable risk. The Right Reverend racist. Concluded by giving his support to the amendment for excepting the - Governorships of our Colonies in the West • Indies. . . . Lord REDESDALE thought there would be little advantage gained by transferring the patronage hoes digest to indirect officers. It would be easy to legislate for the Colenies, but not so for leeland. He had; nut withstanding all that had passed, considerable select ! for many of the Roman embolic. of Ireland, and feet none mote than Lord 'Fingal'. We saw in liesand a vast body of clop who wet e in point of fact the tale's of the country. He thought, thereto - 7e, that if any measure could be devised for taking away from them' that power and that influence; and tranefetink it to the gentry and to such men as Lord Fingal!, considerable taenefit to the tinnily would result from the change. The D ke.ot RUTLAND—Atter what he had said last night he should have felt it his duty to give to tie ansenoment before their Lordships his support,' had it ng;been of so sweeping a character. if any way void, be found of providing tot the exclusion of Catholics' from the office of Firsts Minister of the Crown, be thought that such au exception would be most desira ble.. It appeared to him that such an' end, might-be atta ned by the introduction ef a clause for excepting . ~Ita.maii Catholics from tom* pasticelai office.t4riam that rat First Lord of the Treasury, for example—and that that office should be held for the tithe being by • the Orion ezercisingthe duties4dlfit Minister of the Crovin, hicb would obviate ad the objections, and to mote ill the apprehensiuoi expressed by Noble .Lords from lbe gaJingled ffilleliff of the Bilk But althotigh he telt it flit duty to state a much, he begged leave to say drat it was got ks intention to oltject to themeasure recommended, as it had been. by the gracioni Speech deliiered on the part of his Majesty et the commence meat of the present Session of Parliament. Their Lcrd-; ships would recollect that at an early period of the Session he had said that he would adopt the line he was sow pursuing respecting the details of the measure so recommended, having at that very time had a perfect conviction on hit mind that the admission of Catholics to seats in Parliament would torus part of such mea sure, and that the Catholics, without such a concession, would not be sad.fied. He wished to be understo4 not to mean to impute to Catholics any but the, most• loyal and worth* motives in:their desire for admission to the enjoynsett of the privileges of the Constitution He should not u therefote, support the amendment, el.' though he confessed he should have been better Otis fted—and he was convinced that so would the country' at large--if the office he had referred t!) were excepted. At the same time he trusted that no mischief would ensue. con - anceal, as he was that no Roman Catholic would accept the office of First Ministeref. the Crown who did not feel that be. enjoyed and deserved the con Silence of his Sovereign and oltheeotintry. • • • • 4, til -The Marquis of LANSDOWN sud :there was,up ollietr irk the ad miniiiration of the country caPed Pr!" Minister h and contended .that nothing could be more Mischielpusehan the creation of such n en, office. If the amendment was eartitaii'viinild go to preaent:the King's taking the advice of any of his Majesty i s ters of ishom he most approied ; for it was perfectly competent to his Majesty at irii diy'to take the *advice of any one of his Councillors, without reference to the -office held by Such Councillor, .whether that of Com: ririssioner;of Woods and Forests or any other. So long, therefore; as one office of "Privy Councillor should be left, open to getholics. so long would it be in the power ' of his Majesty to make that individual Premier in point of fact. 'For these reasons he trusted their Lordships would concur with him in opinion that no good could arise f om the proposed amendment. Tt.e Duke of WELLINGTON had not intended to trouble their Lordships slith his sentiments on the clans, under con;ideratiln ;• but out of *respect and considera tion for the *opinion of the Noble Duke (Rutland) he should add that the 'object which he proposed to attain ' was ensured by two clauses that Would be found fuither on in the Bill—ode Of which went to transfer all chinch patronage from the hands of any Catholic, who by vir tue of office or otherwise might become possessed of it, to the Archbishop of Canterbury—the other by.render ing the exercise of any Stich 'patronage by aleithblic punishable by the forfeiture of all ;Sees he ld by such Catholic. • Now, if no such Mischievous pose's as that apprehended could be exercised by a Russian* Catholic, he was lure their Lordships 'wised not say that the.pro posed amendment ought to be wdoßted. Rot in . truth there *is ho such office as that of Prime Minister: The dutiei of such ad Office might be voted . in atijodeor other of his Majesty's official advisers or •Priii Council lors ; and •he was quite 'convinced that them' was no mode of I.teventing) the administration of church ,pro petty, except in the Wanner provided by subsequent clauses of the Bill. ": Lord PA RN HA whiled to know. was the appointment to, any atomism in the Calseial - Churdi Vended byley-reibessible Minister? • .. . . . Lead BATHURST replied in the ailrispgitip. MOWN' for the Colonies always retonteamaded these appointments 'nada II& jesty, and was responsible for such advice. • Lord KENYON. after what hod been called by Stella Lit*s aboodd not give their Loedakipe the trouble of &Wines kit pro posed amendment. Nothing could Are. him more pleasure chap that the Noble Duke himself should take up the matter k eed i put it into such a &ape as wield be mast applicable to the am. He would recommend, in additko r that the aloe of • Ceinniandet•lb- Chief or General commanding the forces should also be esceped. The anseedmetit was then put. and negatived,, and the anginal' clause agreed to : in were the two following clauses. . The clause which " provided against thb elerelie'ol the power to nominate ecelealintical preferments by Catholics" bevies been read. Lord FARNHAM retested to the danger (bit might result from the application by Catholics of futidstert to Protestant Institutions. Their Lordships west •aware' that many great public officers (the Judges, for exacts• pleh for the time being, were in many instances made the trustees of bequests for Protestant %shoots., Stich, indeed, was the case refresh% a way extensive cha rity (called « Morgan's Charity."')' neiteDidilin; trustees for which, under the will of the .founder. were the Archbishop of Dublin. the Chief ;Justices Of the King's Bench and • Common Pleas, the Chief. Baron, and the Lord Mayor for the time beihg Now, as the Bill would go to ren.!et Catholics eligible . to those office.. it might possibly occur that Catholics would became the trustees of that chancy (which sup. ported a male and a lemale school), and hue, the dis posal of its fund,. He did not mean lo denylltheanj trustee who should misapply charity funds . waseritenable to the Court of Chancery ; but in the cases to which he retested, the trustees having not only the management of the funds but the apps isitment of the masters of the schools emu tad In them, they mist C. try -a little in genuity, procure the mis-aisplication trf theluilds , and sett the same time keep out - 11 view of the Court nf'iiq cery. He shOuld therefore plopse a clause to pieiritt any versos) rofessiug the Roman Catholic .ielieina., tons having the ashusnistrottest of the fundief Peewit: taut iiistitutions. Lord PLUNKETT said, At amendment of the Rebil4er t i war like many other amendnitets that had bees yropovel l ifoilieda4 Go a most improbable, trait Impossible. Case- To suppee• , soy' Awned individuals eligible its the trust referred se hoes* as argument Tinian &slink the appnitteseot, et '• AI those elevated situktioni hr 'Shan to that pat tinslai remainder of the Noble Lord'. argument he had tieggW 4 by contening that the trustees were amenable to the i Chaiscery- Lord FARNHAM repeated, has k was not against tisi Siecir.l fence of open but of coven practices that be wisheatte itevithe. The Noble Lord then prOpeutd as ameadment aria the eir" clubfoot of Mamas Catholics from the management of schools' pad other charitable institutions, designed by their founders ler • the bsnelit of Protestants only. The amendment having been pet was aegativeL After a few obsetvations arum die hied of Haameelon. the oat clause was agreed to without comment. tln t h e nem name to present Catholics from riving any advice on appointment* to eeeksketical sakes in the United Church of Haiku" and Ireland, Lord TENTRIMEN r eposed . as an amendment, that the words •, Protestant Church should be inserted instead of " United Church of England and Ireland," winch he thought might be talies to 'anode prefeemeots in the Colonies. The LORD CHANCELLOR thought that the weeds of the Rause included preferments and eftliniestical dignitaries m the Colonies u well as at home. The united Church of England asd Ireland Was the sense agile world over: Lord TlCtratit DIN then withdrew his ansindossst. :1 The closes reversing the admission of Roams chtimilihr 4. races in Corpora ions. the period within, which the odflikwwe t• be taken. and that horning a peaky of 101)1. for ant tains the oaths, were then read and agreed to. Us the eldese,pruviding tist, she, tbe passing oftbh Att. bo ostiisebould be takes' by Catholics hioldiuy real propettlbeles read. Lesd FARNHAM sdid, that it eta aa.abstrillty En Wake a part the Aet cornmesce before the cetnetesiterinnil •of hs'eporstkes. /which another dame declared sliesid be nib days after its pods. He should propose that the words of the ekes, should be " after the etionienerinent" litigant of dun %be passing et this Aet.•_ • After a few weeds tress tbe.,Dbke of Wassiseross, Lord. P#vii. I ewer, aid Ldit Trani nen. on the unhisportstsce of she variation in the &germ damn. Lord PatlltAll withdrew his ellesorhotel. sod the shun wu thee speed to. On the doom prevailing the ossomptiol of dig den of the Dignitaries of the Ritiblislisd alert* by the Relnan•Cati 41, Priesthood being read. • . The slash of NOUNTCASHRL said that tiler, was so pro vided to prevent the tithes liking Oven,' the Codbolicapbstbood. Leah bright be directed to the. styling thesis Lord Bishop, Grope. Re:- He amid, therefore, owe that there be -added to ,the sod of the clause a provision waking it s soisdeinesnoutr in soy permit to address it Catholic priest by any of the titles of the Rao- Mislaid Church. • The Rut of MALIIRSBURY said, that llama' it me ap posed to the Bill, yet, it it me paw. he thought it should he with as few restricting as piresibk that gave ais real security. New. be thought the peewee dame offered an mirky. and would merely teed to hove* that inisadee it was an desirable to sewage. Rather this° than snood the assemble's, he should vote for suiting out the clause altogether. The Duke of WELLINGTON said that he could not support 'the amendment. but begged to say a few words on the clause itself. It was certainly no +cavity. but it would site satisfaction to the united Church of Eng land and Ireland. In 1794 a law was passed which prevented Catholic priests assuming the titles of the E.tablished Cam!) ; but that law was repealed by the Act - of 1795, and since then the assumption of these. tides had increased. According to the law of England, the tide of a diocese belonged to pet sons appointed to it by his Majesty; but it was desirable that others ap pointed to it by an assumed authority should be dis pontoon's - teal, tad that nas the reason why the claw, bras introduced, This was one of the instances which shifseldtose difficult it was to legislate upon this stab jeer at He Wilt AWN, abet. this clan.. gave oo security to she Established Church b .nor steengthened.it in any way. but i ; as insetted to give satisfaction t.i Oe minds of those who, were disturbed by this assorts's. i6n Of title by tiii/tiihoffe Clergy. •the Bishop of DURHAM said that, in his cipliiion, the clause did not touch 'tit" evil. The constitution 14 the Catheic Clergy in Ireland was perfectly unique. for it tient peripassa with the Protestant Establishment. - having Bishop b e Bishop, Archdeacon far Archdeacon. and Incumbent for Incumbent: Now. the Roman Co tholic Laity must tnow very well that these could not be two Incumbents in one parish, or two Bishops in one diocese. There could be no doubt then which, with - the principles they professed, would be cone a. dared the interloper. The opinion of the Catholic PI.• hoes themselves might be judged of from the f .ca that they contrived on their appointment t.• get into the Cathedral, nu, taking, as it were, a corporal posses sion.similar to that of the ordination of our Bishop.. It was quite clear from this that they meant (when an opportunity presented) to transfer the teffiposali Ws of the Church of England to their own Clergy. Why the Chinch of Rome was placed in a different state in this country from what it was in Ireland he (the Bishop Durham) was ac Moss to conceive. In England the Roman Catholic Bishops were said to be in partiows, and they found no inconvenience in the di-cionge r f their duties from the fact of not having their names connected with Bishopricks in this county. He was now desirous to say a word about what had been yesterday stated by the Noble said Learned Lord on the bench below (Lord Plunkett). that it had beep found impos sible.to discover any instance in which the ecclesiastical power of the Church of Rome had been brought to bear upon temporal subjects. He (the Bishop of Durham) though; that no principle had been more clearly est.- Wished in ecclesiastical polity than, that the State as. signed to Bishops the situation and ectent over which Sipititoppl functions were to be exercised. Here • hqvietrer v en instance in which the Pope gave to C *nor theltionsan Catholic Church a right to the 101WeiVasSelelniii of ceses in Leland.. e Bishop of LONDON said that he did not think acclaim of so little importance as had been attributed torit. by Noble Lord.. Nut only was testy Bishop of the Church of Rome appointed by the Pope, not only was every Priest collate) by him, but written acts of investiture were made, and conferring upon them tlc temporalities of the cbutehs When they • seem asked Irby this had been done, they answered that it was done in conformity with the ancient f ems of the cons mon law ; and, though they did not lay any claim to the temporalities. yet they did not consider themselves at liberty to dispense with the forms which had been formerly used. The present clause was of great is. portance, as it was highly necessary that the persons who bad been sometime in possession of the titles tefAli- 1 shopricks in Ireland should be obliged to abandortdiens. ' After a few Words horn Lordßaiarvaoitemar;-• Lord REDESDAI.E.said, there was no doubt but the Raman Catholic Bishops were placed in Ireland iii a - different sittiati"n from that which they stood ja in this country. In Ireland the Bishops were in the same situation in which they had been lett at ;he R•lornsa tion. With regard to the clause before die. House. he thought that it could do no good, and could not even be carried into effect, as the Roman Catholic Bishops wetilifbe obliged, in their intercotitse lath their own floc ks,l6 describe themselves as Bishops of the dioceses over which they presided. ' • Lord FARNHAM said that It Would he better to withdraw the clause, as it.orsouisi be inoperative fur the object which it hod in view. • • Lord TENTERDEN said, that the clause certainly *afforded 'no *cruelty at all to the Protestant Church, although the Noble Duke bad, in introducing the sea. sure, said that it would be accompanied with such se cutties as would satisfy the minds of all. reasonable Inotebtants upon the subject. The clause, however, he ilsonght. related to a Mo s t import a nt object, sa d b e giou - id, therefore, propose to make it prospective, by dollen! person who should be !tweak r elected a Masa,' in Ireland from assuming the Name of the beloaging to the Bishops of the Church. , The Duke of WELLINGTON objected to the I lam, as admitting the legality of the functions exercised by the Roman Catholic Bishops in Ireland. It would be very difficult to prevent those titles from being given to those persons after they had been so called in print is the proceedings of that House. All the Home could do was to prevent the assumption of those titles by the individuals. in question. With regard to what the Noble Lord had said as to his (use Duke of Wellington' )hav ing said that the measure would be accompanied with sufficient securities, he should repeat what be did say.' that the measure was such as would give satisfaction' to the House. After a word or two from Lard Tomanoss the dam. and the two lamb* damn, were ordered to stand part of the Hid. OD the alineo:loposieg Freebies op* the Jesuits, The Marl of 11ADIRSBURT rigid, he Amid like to know from the Noble said Lamed Lord (ftwkett) what the definition of a Jesuit me, when he was is ho preyed each in a Coen si law , Hwhen the proakko ter manumit thuAct were tope pot in force. H. Lord BEXLEY said, that as Jesuits hid been tor. away convicted, there must be souse Welt of evidence applicable to the point. He thought the clause of great importance, as the Jesuits had been always the light troops by which the Church of Rome established igu ranee and superstition in the different quarters of the earth. He thought that too existence of religious order. would have** very pernicious effect upon the youth of, Ireland, whose edniation would be superintended by their members, pertons bound by no ties to the court; try. but Isolated by their tows, and attathed to a ye. reign Power. There were a great many remedies pe e , posed for Ireland, but the great remedy for all its e►ih to w t•ich he (lewd Bexley) alone looked with hope e n d confidence, was she progress of education among th e rising genet ation, and there was an Acne effectual m o d e of promoting it than by rootilig out the seeds of bigotry, sepeistitioa. end eortupti.n. In England he beli e v ed the order of the Jesuits had gained ground, and b e se . det►tood that the establishment at Stoneyturse h a d, from small beginnings, made a rapid progress, and o s less they were speedily checked, it was am possible to fiiresee how far these orders would extend their Odense. In suppressing them they would only be taking a measure for which the civil au'b.wsty was compet ent , and what was necessary to the peace of the country. Lord FARNHAM thought the mo►t effectual plat would be to attach the property belonging to t h e monastic orders when they became amenable to th e laws. These orders had acquired considerable p eep " in England and Ireland; and he cont. teed that the object of the law would be better accompli•heJ by con. liscating their prop's', than by eitaching p e r sona l penalties. which. th , sukti compatible with aibitraiy government, were at earia•tce with the principle s of tree State, in which it would be impossible to enfoted them. As a proof of this he would instance the imps/. Cation of the J..wits. Ile knew of no w.y in which the custom house OlScers could recognise them unles► they confessed, which they acre not likely to di.. If they legisl.ttd on the matter they should legislate tearlessly For himself. be agreed with his , Nob.e Friend (Lord Beale)) that the clause was not elEctual for the pur , pose,s into ded. Lord R EPESISA LE was .for the abolition of all mo nastic orders, which were considered mischievous in• many plates on the C..ntinetrt.• TAI prevent the inqtriii per accumulation .•f property by she•e orders. be thought that the S.atute 4.lMostasion, or a similar Act, should be provided tsar Ireland. He contidered the e z i ete ace o f she Jesuits in this ci untry dangerous, and • the clause did not appear to hint quite satist4 4 ctoiy ; bet art having any amendment to propose, be area leave it as it stood . The Gish p of OXFORD mid that In old Acts of Paws; the wards “ Papist or suspected to he s Papist" had heal se e 4. sod 'perhaps similar words 'Meat meet the vkws of the Noble Lord.—The dame was agreed to. The neat clause. prohibiting Jesuits from entering the country under pain of banishment, was read. Laid TENTERDEN objected to the peoalty as not moistest with the law of England. He thought it could not be carried he. effect, and sub. tied that, supposing it could be made ea cite, k would net be an adequate puniehmeni. The Nsbk and Leered Lord proposed, as an amendment, that the chase should he aimed so far as to make the °fence a misdemeanour, punishable in the usual way. The LOUD CHANCELLOR objected to the arms& (Rent of the Noble and Learned Lord, • n the grol4 that after conviction and impris.inment the off o d er would not be afterwards :moved bon, the country.. The clause, he c-ntended. was sufficiently strong, be. Cause ii a perion returned after banist.ment, le ass liable to transportation. He was surprised to hear his Noble and Learned Friend say that banishment was a punishment inconsistent with the usage.of the law, whet there was an Act of the reign of El seeth by which it was awarded for several offences; and another Act passed the last seven years made it the punishment fe publishing a seditious libel a second time. The clause did not appear to him to operate with undue severity, as the chief penalty was not indicted mail the return ttl the banished person. Far these reasons he would' ap; pose the amendment of his Noble and Ltayned FrieaJ. A N. •ble Lord behind him (the Earl of ;Idalaiediuip) asked by-what evidence it was pruposed to cowvict.* person 14 being a J suit? There could be Da dodo that every Roman Catholic Bishop in Ireland kiierielji the regulars belonging to his diocese, and the Rosana' Catholic Bishops could be called's' evidence to.convies them. The great object was to suppress their houies and their displays. for it was certain that their este& blohments had increased, and that near Dublin, and in Lancashire. they at present abounded. Lord - HOLLAND wiled kis ouldiedee at what bad feed from the Noble sad Loathed lord (Tenssedeo) as to the minis& emit of basishment__ bake oakeown to the takiliten law of Row Lind. He (Lard lielland) had advanced a dinner eigigots on the discussion of the INN whisk had hum referred to; but he was tbea overbears by &N at law eatiorities he the House. He had emend a protest at the dem , .41 Lord TEN FERMIN did sot mope% mg ppse.ln which the punisbaseat haebienhalifilt itiiid:WOLLAND_ believed them was a law in Seeded for the purpoes of haialikftpleople to England—(A laugh.) The Earl of MA EVIESNURY said that two =swats lad bees given by the-Noble mid Learned Lord (the Lord Ch.ncellor) with respect to the ~Medea of Jesuits. One related to times to which he• did not wish to refer, and the other to proceedleig by swan of the comae. informer. Who wav that common inbutorr to be ? A Raman Catholic No." M Order"). Perhaps it was me so • but he would say that, though no - Roman Catholic himself, be should be sorry to ere a Roman Catholic Bishop brought as ad. Mace fill ID a court to banish a Jesuit forilfe—(Hear.) The dame and iniendasest were pritT and the clause was carried as it staid in the /JUL , The dame rehilog to the pvtantsi7 penaky was put and carded. The dame regarding the power of gremli' Scrams to members of atessodc orders to remain ix months in • Great Brines beet invested lot the Seeretartef &us for the Hesse Department, Meg a Postman. was reek' - • - Lea FA It H bilimtield.if it were Mum to *Convey a power of admitting Aeolis* lute tide coontry The LOUD CHANCELLOR submitted that it would be bard totally to esdutli'peneas in prohibited orders from visiting this country, howevreoespeetoble they might's, or however barmiest or laudable their permits. The Doke of WELLINGT92I mid, that the chief dial of this prod/lea war to admit sorb of his Majesty% subjects as mai Jesuits to die privilege of visiting their mins - , laud. Lord REDIISDA LB thought it was proper to provide far de mining disarmed persons fur a short doss. The Neal of CLA NCA ET Y pot a loestion raladvi to the WI " being a Protestant." . •-- The LORD CHANCELLOR replied, that It axis geria better to entrust the power sit 'Meals Madam to a estath Secretary than to a Catholic eam—The clause was carried,. Several other damn were put and agreed to. • • Oa the chose being pet Motive to the @oppression et Soda*, • Mead by monastic vows," The Earl of NOUNCASHEL wild. that If It was the intends of the Bill to suppress monastic isstitations, he sow no necosity for tolerating Mugs, if males were &ewer& He knew of maim rig to the areatry in which ladies were placed @gamut their MS A French Lady had bees placid aphid her inclinations in a one- vest is Laaceehire, sad, Wig a foreigner, had no redriaisood ow Coldklird there at that imam. He knew of a similar wadi Protests= Captahr albs army, who. net feting mock atteshisont to his daughter, bad ineetred her la a esteem matrary t. her MIL Sock promediesk" Si thought, should met be selereted is a fed country. If the Omenthanst weee disposed to gam* the IneseN, of Jesuit.. they should also take masons sbode JoildlN He was aware that sock edsted. The Emend Mercy a dogmata orders they were bet shut up ht their activation to go to the houses of the peer, sad WI! indigent Protestants,and. trader the proems of ilea,* desmiared to make ptemlytes. They had establidind Olethelhid Cork and - other. places, and he thought they 0111114 1 0 11. aleelithed•—The dame was mired. The seat elms, respectlog the modes( recovering the peen** patellae. speeded in the BIN was reed and word to, duo a " words from Lord FAIIIIIIMI and the Loa Couscaraom The other resmisdag chases, and the and tide if Bill, were read miasmal to. after the INN pawed *Mt. die last of the forms armanisry Is Cameetem Lord XEN YON begged to ask ale Noble Date (WehNwi) ll what time the Report would he Wm* lip, se be two Amps& resents to pieesiee, wild' he thought would bq mess ~oda* proposed *at theheiliging up at the Report dm ea the tiled MOW of the BBL IThe Dike of 'WELL! NOTON hawed die sod mew woe he to bring up the Repast as soon as k was Wad te• The lad of stitirnissuaT could eisosileet no known r •1 • I