Star. — London, England, 1829-03-20 00:00:00

to one which be had supported In 1825. The posture of affairs in Ireland, however, mai low widely dif ferent to what it was at that time, and it was upon that ground that he could not no* give his unqualified con sent. The measure of Catholic Emancipation, upoa certain conditions to be observed by the Catholics, was aow likely to pass, and with this, it was said, the Irish people ought to be contented. One of the con ditions. however, upon which it was to be granted would be the deprivation of one of their most cherished privileges—the disfranchisement of the forty :billing freeholders. Mach opposition, he thought, would be shown by the people to: such a measure, and, for hi. own part, he did not see that it would have the effect of preventing the fraud which bad been complained of in the election of lash Members. The Catholic Clergy, who were now acquaiwed with what had taken place in that House, would endeavour to incite the people to tesist the disfranchisement of the forty shilling free bolder:ond much confusion would most probably ensue.. &very Gentleman was, no doubt, well *acquainted with What occurred at Waterford some time since. and he thought he was justified in stating that this penal enactment would not now have been brought for watt, by the Right Hon.Genilernan if it had not been for what occurred at that time. That Rt. Hon. tient. said that he considered the disfranchisement of this freehold would tend to the improvement and tranqu Ilisstion of Ireland. He did not think that the Right Honourable Gentleman, or the Learned Gentlenian who bad drawn up the Bill, were aware th it the measure, it carried into effect,would be the means of ruining many holiest familier. He had beard with some surprise ass H or. Friend of his, when , be presented a Petition yesterday, state that he con siuered this as matter of reform. He was quite cor.. •fident that that Honourable Gentleman dideot know what the use state of the 40s. fteeitolders really was.—•- It appeared to be a gereral impression upon the mind of the House that the forty shilling freeholders were ad corrupt voters. He begged to say that if they did cute,- fain such an idea it was an exceedingly erroneous one., He felt convinced that those who were favourable to. the disfranchisement did not in the slightest degree. know what they were going to do. They believed that the forty shilling freeholders were the mere "slaves and' vassals ut the landholders. It was said by an Honour. sable Member who haJ lately visited Ireland, that upon examination be fount that the forty shilling treehdldets were so extremely ignorant that nineteen out of twenty of diem wee unable. to write their names. He ado *tined that that was the case in the mountain disc trios, bat in other parts of the cou::try they were, compsratively speaking, well educated. It was not. Mc intention to divide. the House upon this second vending of the Bill, but at the saline time he was anxious that some measure should be taken to prevent the fraudulent registry of 'the tiorty•shillmg Freeholders, winch he conceived to be the only real evil to be cor rected. He should therefore move, in a future Stage of the Bill, that it should be referred to a Committee to consider whether the Bill might not be so framed as to prevent a fraudulent and fictitious registry of electors. And this, he thought, would be attended with more *real benefit to thecountry than the disfranchisement of the Forty-shilling Freeholders could possibly be.- Mr. AGAR ELLIS expressed his entire concurrence in the proposed measure of, disfranchisement. He be' lived from the buttons of his, soul that the measure would tend m: ch to the increase of the population and to the alleviation of much misery in Ireland. The orera tion of this frenchise had been to injure the property of the landlords, and. to create many misunderstandings: between them and:their cenarite• He begged. it ts be understood, however, when he gave his unqualified cost j. sent to the measure. that is nsould aver have dune in ' bad it not been i6Ccallif44oo,llaqksiti.gteat measurnil linsaueipat.o s. That was now about to be granted. and be, for one, mould, therefore. be happy to see the 40... frabchise put an end .to. In short. he felt coevuiced that if it were showed to exist after the Emancipation had been granted, that Ireland could weer be &happy, a prosperous, or a peaceable land. Mrs- BROWNLOW bad much Lather but abstained from entering into any discussicmopon' this subject, bat be thought be should not be doing Isis duty s it he did not . Offer en opinion upon it. He would at once say, that he should lend his hearty support to the second reading of this Bill. In doing so be begged 'it to be understood that he d:d not- mean to pledge himself as being of opinion that a tie pound freehold was the best qualification of the elective franchise of Ireland, but because he considered tb a a very great alteration might be made is the laws respecting that country.He was con vinced that the 40s. franchise gave rise to every *species of fraud, vhile the unfortunate freeholders were com pelled to perjure themselves to oblige their lanallor ds.— had been said that emancipation would . be dearly pirebased if the forty shilling franchise were abolohed, and that it would be better tv wait for a year or two,: whea it was supposed chat Eutancipatioa must bAlcaeted • without any prori.ion whatever. For Iris OWIS part he /Hr. Brownlow) wood not wait one year, beeiruse, by so. wetting. England and Ireland might be rent is twain. He, therefore, was certainly dispo.ed to adopt this mea sure. He would do esti (if it might be so called) that go :d might anounal.' f3i tbilligh it was a me., s u re Melt cslerilased k) the prewint isecraciia Ireland. He thought u *A> a Iliatlsare wets (a:cell:dad io meet many ef the evils shah newer: aced inleeimed.Wbew he said a I this in •f fenny of the tneesete, he widistst.oo be understood that he should not have dime so hatli trot been evident that the pail of Catholic etnanifplos' non would accompany it. A great many of the eie tious which bad been presented to the Ignsistr: prayed for as al:smatters in the elective francinieot Ir a en Is .0, and prayed the Legislatine totals such ineasoreit as to remote the valets from the hands of the prat* and to place them iii, what he considered not ma' brute, the bands of the landlord.. He did not cancer► i toe second reefing of this Bill to take the voters of Ireland out of the hands of the priests to replace theta in those of their landlords. If that was the intention of the Bail, ireframen had batter at once avow it, and', give the landlord the sole rigist of voting at once. *He must differ from the Han. Member who approved the measure, because it mak the votes out of the Itandi and influence of the Catholic priesthood. . Now. Its smart declaim. as an Irishman, and as all observer of the scerwi that bad lately talon place is Ireland, that dui minds of t..ose Members of the HON.. WSW Me* abused who thoraglst that the freeholders of Ire wire led by their psiestbood.—(Hear, bear. Now, k deified the fact altogether. Historians who in futon times should wake AMU thessents which bed WA to ,46 , e glorious accomplishment of this great measure* -mid who would WI that it was inasearait the priest • hood, would prove thesnebees very short sighed. charge had been repeatedly . nude, bath wakt VirSiar and bad arm been proved. The freeholierihadriad, meioses, weanght up to eatimiasse by.geirminsir andl a sense of injury. They were unnatuvan eimmiont,sust as as the cause was tains asap dis wire would . :clam rider the iefluence of their landlordli, at they 'ere between 1788 aqd 18E4 when they were (Mien' into die comity town sad pot hal the pound', OW *or landlord called upon them to do their duty. F.ir these reasons it was that he ►hould vote for the secand read ing of the Dill before thpas. Lord DECTIVE hoped that the cloud which.ehis sill would cast over'the joy occasioned by the other would be but transitory. The pages of.bistory would record the Right Hon. Gentlemen who had iotryduced the measure into this House as a man who preferred bis country's interest to his own. He should consider bias- self doubly ungrateful were he to oppose one single, obstacle to the measure now in progress, because he thought one Bill could not be car riga without the other:' For that reason it was that he could conscientiously vote' for the present Bill. • ' Mr. LITTLETON felt anxious to say a few words' OR tilt present Bill, as he bad introduced one something similar in 1895. He considered this Bill as calculated to afford the Protestants a solid and substantial security, whilst it could not be objected to by tbtCathnlics, as it' applied equally to Protestants and Catholics. All think= ing men must rejoice in the repeal of the Act of 1793. which had operated to the ruin of many landed propose. tots of Ireland and the degradation of the population of that country. The landed proprietors were themselves so conscious of the evils of the present system that they were anxious to ablution it, and only wanted a genet al law to compel them. With respect to the small flee holders themselves, they we're quite indifferent as to the, measure. But what rendered the present measure J.aubly valuable was, that it could not be carried into effect without greatly improving the condition of Protestant interest in Ireland. Sir L. Parsoiii, in 1793, had pio• .phesied in the Irish Parliament all the evil effects of the Act then passed. The only difference between the pre sets; measure and 'that be propose I in 182.5, for putting en end to .these evils, was, that his was prospective. He made it prospective with a view to conciliate as Mall persons as possible, because it was attached to a measure the success of ihich was doubtful; whereas this Bill was attached to a measure the success of which was certain. This only rendered it necessary, therefore, for the Right Honourable Gestlemon to pass his measure of security as quick' as he could. Let Honourable Members who oppo,esi this measure reflect upon the means the people of Ireland possessed in this franchise to counteract the Government. Let . Hon. Members, in reviewing what had taken place list' year, My whether. Protestant interests were ever in so much danger as' they then were? He gave. his hearv. eon. c.uri mice to this measure, because he was convinced that neither of the two could pass alone without set ious evils arising; in the one case we should have rebellion, and 'in the other Catholic ascendancy. Let them seise this ' golden opportunity for reaping.the halves' of all their toils—(Hear, heal). . Mr. V. STUART trusted that opposition' to the Bill would not be pressed to a division; it it were, however be mast adhere to the determination he bad. expressed, of giving his confidence and support to the _Bill on ac count of the other measure. He • might, in so doing, sacrifice a past of the popularity which he imagined he 'possessed, but be could not. forget. that thegieat body of his constituency returned him to. defend the .great principle of religious liberty. 'lt he forgot that great cause he should be li.tle less than a traitor to the con fidence reposed in him, and the duty he had to perfoi tn. The 40s. lieelioldels, however, had nob', and ably done their dory. They had been previously taunted *al slaves —as persons driven . in packs at the will of their land lords; but they, had shown that bribes .couldfuei; delude them, and that threats could not awe them_ He die ned it eight t!r say thus much injustice to thews; audits lamented that it tsar-deemed right to apply this measure to them to secure the other. aarldtlioir haVlng been led by . their Prie s ts, it was not so; the fact swaa f untruly represented; it was true enough that many of them had acted with the hints, and why ? . Because both parties wet e aggrieved, and tt:ey united to get their wrongs red essed. With respect to the main corm.tion before the House, as the reihee - nrasure a as made de peodeat on this t rill, he should' deers' it'tu be his duty to give his support to the Billooa:complisti die greater object. ' ' Sir. HUSKISSON felt as'striingly as any man. the. .. necessity of carrying this measuie by a triumphant and decisive majority, but be could not.-sea the ground of isseparability in which the two measures before them' were placed. Yet it had been stated in the*HoUse, _in a manner n• t to be misunderstood, that if this'hipasure did not pass the other should not. lie must protesi 'afaitist the doctrine that had been laid down by some hon. Members, that it was a Pailiamentary way cf'dis cussing onegreat question, that they sh,,uld be on'cler.a di torct obligation not to make any alteration, in ale titer unless they were prepared to s.crifice the first.--%.• If Ireland had.never enjoyed any elective franchise, 'W this had been the first time they &cussed the prriplie , iy, of giving the Irish- an civet* franchise, he S110(11444; in the abstract, object to ten pound. bei 1g fixed as Itt l e lowest point ; but they should remember . that cheeky tive trairchise in the Irish coulties had been thetartsji as in the English cosinitimil t ir three buftdrid years,. dr 'English el, cove franciiiie having been • au:flitted to INK land only a century 'after it:hacf been establisLed its Euitland. 'He thought that.takirit awilip ptiell•ge that had been so long enjoys] was only t ine dogivo.loat a violation of right than tame' away a T t ois property Tins was the priirioir in a hieltdie ) tcdrep his or Pad: 1 tielltas warranted in asset tiag, this VMS.* fieeboldllgtf4l' , lien only'to the riabi oaf property;of 'eshiCh; inttekla turd a pint. k-might be said that this rightisies..Mortt *meat is Ireland than in rtiiirsird, and such perhaps, , was the tact ; but was it not the duty ortlie Himself's . sett ria:ramedy that abuse before they. rook away the prs vikege?;Who would have ihougio of. dealini. in Utah a • Mairoir with the elect; eef• anclu se sil England ?Hr would iiit any Member of the House whether they could con • ewe a case in. England in' which, 10ud.% . .t of . see*ing to eertect the' abuse., they should at oocadeprive a people of their franchise? He-had uo heWtation in saying that such a plan Would never bait been contemplated with reference to any country but Ireland; and to 'lreland only, because of the peculiar situation in which she now stood. In many counties of England, and particularly. in Lantashire, persons make such purchises as those that were made iu Ireland for the purpose of procuring as elective right; but who would thirst. of depriving them of the right so purchased? For his part, he norm Made consent to this i1ie.4913P15 which he not only cons'• demi unjust towards Ireland,huteclangereusorrith *regard tolleglancl, at establishing a precedent t hit mightbe/el lowed up: lie ipprelieda r ed that intngland,wheepopu iaselostiess took place, a mush atom is.isabiavout system tat yanrjoey took plate than rhos which might wet in 4-elsail, when a reran swore diet Ms freehold was worth ,H4l3s. a yeaFo-ao . Oath which he might take in 'Per pa ignoessam bolieviog that he was justified in calling Ala. wank [any ebillings whichlui would not &valor a less sum. Thrutesirel. eburte of events would- un daubtedly remove the Irvil44flat remoeahvould birgra dual, but as rapid; perhaps more rapid than was &sir-. ;aisle. Hi, shoselproi.diffeord altooethes from hiallight Iffetsaiiimek with seArrance oti . this \ wreasuee l which he loos* . wuttbt satiation' acts - of intustke shortanlylo ' at dve deeriestios of the freeholds thetnielves. 'He 'prote‘ted against the argument in favour dila , . Bill that it oas not unpopular in Ireland. It was un artily of any emeernMent to take advasstaget of a motto-fit at excite. mint to deprive a wbelepiOple I a Valuable atid valued tight. It was beyond the p: s.itetlity of doubt that the elective franchise was canaidcieJ an impos cant privilege in that country, and that the surrender ..1 it would i., time be deeply deplareJf. He would give the measure, thesefore, his strangest opposition, as much as be would support the other sneascire—the measure of Ramos Ca' tholic relief. He had stated much less ,strongly than he felt his objections to this measure. It it were a mea sure merely inconvenient, or merely inflicting hardships -on a people, •provided that hardship fuji short of absolute injustice, he would support it, fir the purpose of forwarding that other and more important measure; but,lookiug upon it as he did, as being a measure equally unjust, dangerous, and mischievous, he could not but oppose it by eve, y means in his power. If it were pto• posed to makethisineasure prospectively only, and if he were convinced that the two measures were in.cparably connected;. bis objections would not be urged; but in this light be could not consider it. Under all circum stances, the safest mode for him to pu sue was to abstain from vutiog upon. this m -aeure at all. He did not, ,however, suggest this mode to any other Hon. Mem ber, and would content himself with having made this declaration of his sentiments. ' Mr. DOHEICTY had never heard a speech which had so utterly astorrisbid him as that of the Right I lonnurable Gelb. demur wbor d r: just addressed the 'louse. lie (Mr. Doherty) bad not into to speak upon this que.tisa, but to leave it to be discussed by those more intimately acquainted with the nature of the forty.shilling frethold*rt of helm& lie had beard with un feigried .delight the observation, of the Ilunourable Member fur Waterfordimbo had, in tbe most manly and generous manner, eon. milted/Is, stake g sacrifice for the purpose of forwarding that other important .snemure In which be was 60 deeply interested. U the' sqtrearnisbuesskf the Honourable Member for Liverpool arose only r from sympath, with the Irish frethollers, be might make his mind perfectly easy epos' the point. Dug surely tb's alteration of the elective franchise was by mt menus a system proposed for the first time. In I..:ngland, as well as in Ireland, such a plan bad been heretofore resorted tO; and not only h..d the right. of elictors, but elected, been restricted by• Parliament. The ltight Honourable Gentleman (Mr. Iluskisson) after voting for a similar m in lbe year now nut only entertained doubts on the subject, but . characterised it as grossly unjust ; but •he (Mr. Doherty) would remind the Right iiritionrahle Gentleman and the [louse, that without this measure the other and far greater mem/e could not be carried • arid he implored the•itight Hort. Gentlem in to take tint* to cooddet, before he refuted his vote in support of the measure now before the Douse. HUSSKISSON explained. la voting for the Bill of 1825, he considered it merely as a prospective measure, and if it were new made prospective merely, beletuld support it. Sir THOMAS GbOCIL in reply to an assertion that the in- Serve of the Priests was a perfect muckery.would say, that if such Were the case, it was an au of growinJustice to take away the elective franchise. But although hostile to both the measures in progress through the How*, be admitted the importance of lessen. lug the power of the Priest. in Ireland. If the Noble Lord thought proper to press the House to a division, he (Sir T. Gooch) would renal* vote with btm. - kr. S. WORtI;RT looked on It as a sweeping measure of Par liamentary Reform, and by no means called for —but on account of the other greatzueasure, he had made up his mind to support this. Lord F. L. 00WERiselkyld that this measure was supported by those who best knew the interests Of Ireand. From letters which Imbed lately received fiom different parts of Ireland, he had the strongest reason to know that this measuib wool* give satiefaedon to those who had• the interest of Ireland most at heart, Mr. C. ,GRA NT felt much pain in differing from his Right I Houourable Friend (NU. Hushisson,) het be confessed that he did not like the questirii. Me was sorry that the House was brought into sugh a dilemma ;bet rather than throw any impedimentin the, .way of the all-important measure that_ was to accompany it; be would give it lits support. • . a few words-in support of the measure. iIIro•AtIERCRONSBY looted for the oseature brought forw,sr4 IwlSts,put subsequent events hsa chsuged his opiaionson the po liei'of shell i tosirsi.- • : ; . :.• .111 - riSANXESiaid there Irma lel_ ions society Z. -tending itself of late bith here and in Ireland, 1 f which m.ciety the - principle .was: . that the end justified the mianss raad'r the end Sias gto.s.l,lba there ouytht to be no great .I;Ciiiii* irt•prt the mode of Ac::omplishing it. ‘le,slid not Iltanso,l4 .ther . or not ih'. principle was st , crobe.l ' to the. society (the Jesuits) t.i which le . Audi* fur Mi . part, .hosiver, he did sot think it wt7uld - lie NM' tie (to eyed a .itt!e evil fit a great :of good. 7 The Hundniehle Member said he ihoutd hate no difficulty in consenting to the flea use if it hal been made uto . ipe ctive; but when His Majesty's G . .reer.iment brought on a 14x11 to di,franchise a . poissalation if the caeretie of their sight, he consi. b leed it a JIM of penal ies and spotistion. It might by'pessitsility prove be,:afiziaf, arid remain in force for a Wort lime, b. t it would ulttenately set the country again in a.fianre. 84 long as she 40s. irreholders• Itoesi their landl4ds there tits* no complaint; but it nab said Ureic unfortunate men ought be disfranchised int following . the particular directions of their priests. Whit wis the d Inger front the eibting state of things? The • umber .of 40s. freelloWeraA s sc.tej alarm. It was th. uAlot their number of Ir.9es would increa e, but it Appeared tin the eviJence th:t l'•nstiord: lied feat theist. convenience of subdit laud: The practice hail decreased. There . iould he a gradu .1 dintin.ition by tbedal.ingoff oil loves..The.llon. Member voted against thciutesgise unit former occasion +s •-u abfli4tAki:a• stirl,'a fie is , ouldv..-e - aguinsr the Bill. under . con. .iderattw, shoirld not disit4 the' House, isicao•e numbers wise egai;ist EfORATTAN sati this- was not the di.fian :cliiiemealt4 the lioohit efeetoti esf Grempound. and t'oirr yn, Other. Cur r upi °sighs but the ofislran cht.ernenit of* whale p upu lilt 10n. Itinquiry be made intelhe eaertise -ol• the *Witte franchiinin county of. (ayan,. and county at Drnfin, tt [[gold appearthit this n . as a. mud unjust n,eassrir. 44 . .404 not coothatot• to sh-ptive- his couutry, cot. their *Wyk. anchise"..• • That right did pot depend: on polittcal es vadielocr; but the right's uloichtlljr and :satin* gave them wheu they came in!? the we.rld. Ii was said they. ores[ tour one .measure or the other. He di a l aot•s • adisthantine bond by which:the two me* , sorts itete Made' indisiblible. He would, Consider aria ask atij Hiitioiti able Monber whetter it was !mown, what they were doing? There were no leis than 224.000 freeholders, and of that number there were 78,000 forty shilling freeholders—Meal). Those individuals skink' be disfranchised... It Was said they would betaken out of the hands of the Priests, but in Cavan trod other counties the Priests had never inter fered.' At Clare7B electors a ere brought up by a Roman CatholiC Cletgyman to vote for his ft iend. They were told that they were doing wrong, and they faced about and to:ed against the person they were brought to vote for., The Honourable Member regretted that th e mea- Awe hadlein blotight forward. He considered it un- Coostitationali and contended that it could not be sup ported by evidence. •It was a cruel and painful situa flod'in *Mather were placed. - -They stioston a pre cipice, and be knew there were hinds ready to push them from it to perdition. He should endeavour to steer that course that would lead hint from the danger. Mr.-CHARLES W. WYNN said that, if the met-, :Are had 4004 upon its own merits, and unconnected with the Relief.Bilt—if it had been proposed lifer the Belief Bill had been pissed—he-should han voted for the consideration of it. How mach more should Isethen be,disposed'to support it when he thought it w ould ;, promote a infirm* which he had been *minas fa.r fan. the last 30 yr* I. On all great meatnre, it was necrt. s btfin enter hap some dcg.ee of comptomite s and Ise sha.uld,heefiite'sdrPoit the Cretent me4suacs but he dad not totj — *ilk his 41talt. F. tend 014 this ine4.Utt would be productive. of rail tat the coubrry....4le *At o •posed in general t•s any intetfe enct w ith the elective franchise; but no this gliesti , 4l he was acainias to repose the fullest confidence in the Ministry. They had many cliffi.culties to contend with, and he would not throw any addition.il ohitacle in their way. Lord PALMERSTON saidhe rosemith pairr to di,. sent from Government on the Bill hetet!. the House ; but feeling an insurmountable objection to it on the ground that kens unjust, be shothd express his opinion. The sio . #4l osierblielf it''had been introduced would not deter bins from Tinton. It was said if unction Parliamen t did not BM, t other tip e'Veruld sink. The Noble lied could net understand that they bad entered into a bargain with Government upset the subject._ If *as said this Sill Was to he the price of Emancipation, but his Majesty's Speech told them that the price was petting down the Ca de Association. The Catholics complained df injuries which *elev. be redressed, and he could not believe, if they differed upon the fails of the me lien under tonsiderjition, th it Gojernmesit would turn round and withhold from the Catholic* the Miter they had bestowed. They would hot blight the hopes cat Ireland by !ejecting a measlier wfilils we, tetranquillire that country. 'lke Noble Lord thought ibe freeholders had a ced magnanknowly in disobeying their landlords. It was said this meager, was toe the benefit of the landlord*, end that Gevetninem Mu t stip in weft,. diem. This was liberal. Thee* was efillseernmentio our."pe Which used a sort of parental infilience suer propel-Iy, hut be should leave tie keidlord to manage fils_ohn affaira. lie Jib 'nut believe that landlords were in the habit et dividing Stele lindaa On the contrary, he was apprehensive the practice was 'Ai oilier. way. Fur mine time three had been a practice in Ireland of isKat was called thinning the population, in consequence of which tuatiy were led to emigrate and'suffer distress. The remedy floc there". abuses in the franchise was to be forty shilling yeomanry, but case would not do. In a country file Ireland, where the tanner..pne. sets but little capital, it was idle to suppose that an arbitrary aet • would Lad to the ciimulidaiion of farms. In Most, it way to suppose that any adVainage could counterbalance a restate let of. injustice. His wish was, that Government would correct abu4e In Ireland by other miens than disfranchisement. • Mr. Secretary PEEL—fie would nnly trouble the House with a few otpettratims, sad he wi.ulJ prefdre them by declas ing his cordial emit urt elite in the ...Con of his Hight HMI. Friend opposite, that although the general rule of the House was, is consider •eveny qiiestion abstractedly, and on its own separate met its, yet that there west times when 'meat objects were to be achieved, and when such questi ns could only lie c i.leiettott the principle of 'mutual compronisse. Rigidly taken, the observation was tsae with respect to every: clause of every Bill —each eught to be viewed in its: own tight, and valued by its own melitS; but if this coarse were invariaisty pa sued, what would be the ultimate issue? That the common course of.legis." lotion must constantly be departed from, and in OW. out of ten, caves of close adherence to abstratt metity • greater advantages must be telinquislied. What courts • had the limas, of Commons pr•rsul.l with regeid 'to" the Bill repealing the Sacramenial Te.ts? •Ir efas sent up to the Lords in - One firin and retort* dI . . tt another ; but it wai adopted its site e I tint, e. he cause it was thought better to accept the tepee!, atoll to risk that object by disputes as to the particular tnodt of acc implishing it. If ever there was a' In .m ore a departure from rigid rule and a sacii6cersi• individual opinion, it was now under consideration. He could not Mite, with sufficient stredj;th and warmth, tits admiration of the magnanimous conduct of the.. Hon.. Member for Witerford..who was ready tt. Ora': a gtv.at. per sonal sac. ifice that he might Coi.kra l el in «relit ben* lit. Mote any man determined to ttiect ts.i• Ilia; lie of.: treated him to to k hack .at" the cb'urse I f • . . proceeding, and to rift ct upon t4e. e #lustt obstructed the settlement of the Calli.ilic Q 1.44 Session tins House had divided in far aver a Resolution which icosid :nor - II? 'caroled - into sat tr. tion, b cense . the • two patties were io neatly. bareired, In the House ut Linda, that Resolution, not " deed Rill, was - ;ejected by a amjority of foity.6ve, - 411r; Ciulj the Rulnan Catholics then ob Ain rn ezl act 'ds• aptly what they wanted, and precisely upon t: eir Oita terms? Would not their friends, for an object described as Pare. mount to all utheis, commit to some sacrifice; or would tilue,rm. ject concession because it was -accompanied with motioning that was not a rigid adherence to the mine principle? Were hth Wars prepared to proceed upon the clerk understanding of mutual sae triflers fur the sake of settling this lung pending ques ? ills Noble Friend who spoke last bad said that the Session hid been commenced by compromise, and ht had referred to the lhlj fee the Suppression of the Catholic Association. If it bad been the ground of his Noble Friend's vote that something was to be Oven for the great good of *et ring theC.atholic queer, ti at rest,he female? reeteNsed the principle of compromise. There was an end, then, of the argument founded upon mutual sacrifices. Ills Noble _Freud bail asserted. that what was held out as as equivaleii for that • Supteesion 1511 was unvialified concession. tie I .)Jr.• Peel) denied it. lie, and those who acted with him, bid held oat the promise not of tie qualified concession; but of adjusting the qu. anon on safe and with factoey grounds. He begged the Douse to look at the difficulties is which the. Governmerit was placed. On the one side,,it was charged that the el-log.4lmi in the Speech front the Thtenit was not kept, because the propowd Hill Bete reselfe of PIO& leges without curreepouiling securities. tat.: the mbar a.m. his ' Noble Friend urged that Ministers, by she ;Aeration of the franchise, were duninlihing the measure of 'reSeff 'Dome' moo uppieite a.aertiutis showed the - d.theulty which ;mediator had to overcome wpm be evi.h.deo *misty 6.1 parties, asid-ieciewilie tee. nickel opiensius—(lieu, bear). * He hoped' bet had Neter pat forwent the proposed connitomise is the form of science., tole object. had been to and out specious pretests for settlMS the ques tion, in order that be toiled remain in office; but having enifiarked ism the. undertaking. to • ges through With it, snit to complete-the measure. Sure be was that be allied for the cortseneorthe Eloise to the Disfranchisement llill in no menacing tone or Manure: be had never said that nisi. were !ejected the other Bill at dunces shoo would be abandoned by the'Xing's Government ;•'lit r the same time be must my, that he eisnsider.d thepaidkig - Of (Mr! Bill new under coelidaratioo- &voted. to the prosperity of Its dais patios—Meer, )sear). Ih sort those who sigedliias 11. d. not inserted .so the enealuite fee Conieseion ariy restrietti s olis Under the name of secerritimeileelhier he had Mobilo is Mitre ere brrt4t ,lot to eloriagwilh forma which Protestemachought at • no.velee, and in which Catholics - wet* 'unwilling so eequie e ce. Toe therefore,, did not pet/m*ll.lpol' the :petelphe of insautini re. esasieseiethe leglifmate exe=rcise. cif the Roman Catholic Re 1.. gine ; but the principle id Mr,,, eation, ant - Shed. Plunkert i anil, :above all, of 'Mr.' eatlefeet, de T found in it ss eljae of tO:litript It as far as possible cuistarwry dad conciliatoriely all pin hie.... itthe proposal had beeneweels, Jpr unquolitied. Emanri j iation t _it might have been. fairly midi that' Use iMportant sublett of the eketiverranehhe had bee, motioned, and the 'BIS- Might s love beets endangered. Ica 1845 the elective franclike waspt t forgotten; circumstances, lideed, Lad scr changed. (fit troy teen would be justified in altering- the opinion be had sett given; but why was it fit now to omit, hi 1829, what in Illa t s had been so well remembered? It had been observed. bolt tie measure 01499 was of a totally different character to that of 1825; aid be only noticed the remark in order to sot Hpneur.ible Members right upon this point. The Bill of 1845 was befit skilfully" dtaten, tat it was, nevertheless, a complete disqualification:of the . xisdog free holders. for all wherload stained to resider were positively dlstrtn tidied. Yet what warning Maas then given, or contended that It meht to be. given to the pause. that they might go. through the NM which onlporicishl -entitle them to vote? What a cuischkiveaig . - merit, sot merely for the purpose of popular impreedoe, Met ii r the purpose bf convincing my reatsmable man on she sohket rf rte electivetranthise,, was to be found in the volume of Cailiclie Ey - dente taken in 11125—kuthan Catholics, otitis bleier re:Peetabl he, interested in the welfare of (relied, had given It settled Most 4r eidesl.opinioo that the amount of the franchise ought to be raised. Mr. Blake had admitted without scruple the power sod hide Ice of the Pike° and that the raisitijef thefranthie was sterna:l to the Peace of Ireland.' Mr. O'Conoele in mimetic* to the mime point, bad said nearly the same thing, and bad added that amide and perjury 'skull. and that the freeholders, in some caws, were irked upon almost as part of the live stuck of the estate. "The w w ou bol ki e o c i r b e l a s te mil a den sit ee bo w as e itia nt to r sh eom ow ain t ri bat ib to m lr =tbe , i franchi se rid : l 4. to MO body of testimony. it was but fair to_tuentian, their Elm .11 Catholic was a party to the measure of relief c.ek 4.