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SPIRIT OP rms JOURNALS. CHRONICLE.—Lot night Mr. O'Connell brought before the House a subject of great importance to Ireland—the laws under which Parish Vestries assess Rates for the rebuilding and enlarging of Churches and Chapels, for the repairing of the Chancel of Churthso o and for providing things necessary for the celebration of Inuits Service. It is agreed on all hands that great abuses an ans. matted under these laws, for even the Chancellor of dm in. chequer admitted that the law required revision, and only am. tended that it was once much worse than now. "In En la, said Mr. O'Connell, " the mass of the population being Protes tants, were not obliged to build churches; but In Ireland, where the great mass were Catholics, they were compelled to build churches for the Protestants. The object of the Bill for which he was about to more, would be to place the people of Ireland on the same footing as the people of England with respect to the building and repairing of churcbea—that is, to place the people of hdand under the protection of the Common Law with respect to that subject, in the same manner as the people of England now are protected." The Law does not, however, seem to be on the best possible footing in England. Although new churches in the latter country can only be built under an act of parliament; yet too much latitude is allowed to churchwardens in ordering re pairs. In Scotland the matter Is much simplified by the whole of the expence of building and repairing of churches being thrown on the landholders, who are allowed to repair and pull down and re build churches, subject to the commit of the pushy (a court composed of the clergy and elders of a district. If the ter/ landholders refuse or delay to rebuild a decayed church, the presbytery have the power of acting, their Judgment being subject to the review of the supreme civil court. When those who have so deep an interest in the expenditure have the power of determination in the first instance, we may be care that there will be little of that jobbing of which so many complaints are heard in England and still more in Ireland. Some such plan as that in operation in Scotland was, in effect, sug gested by Mr. Spring Rice, who observed, that " the remedies which it appeared to him were calculated to correct the existing evil, he had more than once stated in that House • and he had obtained the concurrence of the Right Honourable th e Secretary of State for the Home Department in his views. The principal point of the Bill which he should wish introduced was, in future leases to throw the payment of the rate on the landlords ; as in the Tithe Composition Act." HERALD.—It is now quite clear that the Session of Parliament will come to an end without anything effective being done in fur therance of that important national object, the improvement of the administration of justice, which formed so prominent a topic in the speech from the throne. Nothing more is beard of Mr. Brougham's plan for administering "cheap and expeditious justice" by the ap pointment of District Judges, empowered to try minor cases of debt, &c. to decide finally upon claims to the amount of 101. and to determine actions from that sum to 1001. with a right of appeal to the Judges of Assize. To this plan Sir Robert Peel seemed to be decidedly favourable when it was first propounded by the Hon. and Learned Member; but it is not unlikely that it will share the fate of Lord Althorp's Bill, introduced some years ago, for reforming the County Courts, and givieg them com petent Judges, with a power of adjudicating upon those small claims, the expense of suing for which in the superior Courts gene. rally amounts to three or four times mare than the SUM recovered, so that the suitor is sure to be a loser by the decision in his fa vour ! The consequence of such a system is, that many a man prefers abandoning his just claim rather than incur the ex pense of vindicating his right in a Court of Law. Thus the expences of law often operate as a denial of justice. To remedy an evil, the operation of which is so mischievous to the community at large, Lord Althorp, if we recollect right, proposed that the old institution of the County Courts should be made respectable and of by the appointment of a practising barrister in each of those places of local jurisdiction, as assessor to the sheriff, with a salary of 5001. per annum. The appointment of the assessor was to be in vested, according to the bill and the committee who recommended it, not in the crown,but in theme:or rotulorsaa of the county. This latter provision did not meet the approbation of government. It was suggested, in the discussion which took place on the Bill in the House of Commons, that the Crown should have the right of ap pointment. On the other side , a great deal was said about the " independence of the Bar, " id the danger of Increasing the in fluence which the Crown a lready exercised in Westminster Hall.— For our part, we do not sec how the " indrpendence of the Bar" was involved In the question. We believe that " independence to be one of the fictions of the law which it is politic in lawyers to talk of, but ridiculous in the public to believe. It is not likely that the Nobleman who sways a county, under the titles of Lord Lieutenant and Cuatos Rotaionaa, would be actuated by more impartiality of choice and purity of motive in exercising the power of appointment than the Crown, by whose special favour he is himself appointed, and on whose pleasure his dignity depends. If Ministers so far forgot their duty to the public as to make those appointments, not on a principle of meritorious choice, but corrupt patronage, are not the Lords Lieutenant of counties at least equally open to the suspicion of exercising such a privilege more for private purposes than the public advan tage' But, however this may be, six years have now passed since Lord Althorp's Bill was introduced to Parliament, on the recommendation of a Committee to facilitate the reco very of small debts, and the administrati on of justice in this respect still remains as slow and as expensive as it ever was. We also re collect that, soon after this Bill had been introduced, Government were said to have a plan of their own to effect the same object as Lord Althorp bad in view—namely, the more easy recovery of small debts ; according to which plan the kingdom was to be divided into circuits, similar to the arrangement under the Insolvent Act, with two Barristers judicially appointed to each circuit, and to he selected by the Crown. This project, as well as the original one, was laid aside, and both have nearly passed into oblivion, while the administration of justice in cases of small debt, as well as in many other respects, still continues to be a reproach to the country, and an oppression to the people. At the beginning of the Session, when commentin upon the promise relative to this subject introduced into the speech from the throne, we ventured to express a sus pi c i on o f Its barring merely used ad aaptandum rulgus. Does the event show that we were mistaken ? Has Sir Robert Peel or any other Minister intro duced any general measure to improve the administration of jus tice ? The demolition of the Welch judicature was determined on .n spite of the remonstrances cf the inhabitants of the principality, who had confidence in their own system; but the English system :mains unaltered, although the English people have for years been anxiously expecting its reformation. TIMES.—The work of Government-concession in the Netherlands has advanced more rapidly, and proceeded to greater lengths, than zould have been lately anticipated. At the opening of the States- General in October last, the Belgic provinces were in a state of violent fr ment, from one end to the other. The cause of this alarming azitation was the alleged tyranny and apprehended encroachments at a Ministry selected from the friends of the King, in the northern or Dutch provinces, and opposed, from religious prejudices. party views, or national antipathies, to the ecclesiastical es. tablishments and political interests of the south. Petitions Were prepared in almost every parish, complaining of grievances, and demanding redress. It is said that to these petitions were attached more than a quarter of million of signatures. The thief topics of complaint were the unjust distribution of places and offices, between the inhabitants of the Dutch and Belgic provinces,— the interference of a Protestant Government In the direction of Ca tholic schools and education,—the severe judgments passed on persons accused of libel, and the shackles threatened to be imposed on the freedom of the press,—the absence of a law to make the Ministers responsible for their acts,—the severe and unequal pressure of taxation,—and last, though not least, the ar bitrary imposition of the Dutch language on those parts of the monarchy where French was generally or exclusively spoken. 'file effect of these numerous complaints and acknowledged 'griev ances on the popular branch of the legislature,was to excite an over mastering opposition to the government, and to cause a temporary refusal of rite supplies. The Belgic Deputies, almost to a man, apposed the budget, and converted the States-General into an arena where the representatives of the people combated each mbar, not as individuals of different opinions, but as delegates of rival nations. An unnatural union wan formed between liberals and oigots, between devotees and infidels, to oppose the King's Dutch servants ; and the work of amalgam ation between the diffnent pew .ince4, which the judicious and excellent monarch of the Netherlands !lad ben endeavouring to accomplish for 15 years, suddenly arrested. it was then that his Majesty saw his danger, and that prudent con. cession began. The budget was presented in a modified shape ,with the most obnoxious taxes commuted foe imposts less ob. jectionable,) and passed nearly unanimously. A Belgian Minister or two were brow ht into the Cabinet , SO as to give the interests el 'nuthern prov inces their due weight in the Royal Councils. The tic instruction, havinf been found objection. .. committees of the States General, was with. engagement to revise it, and present it again in The law on the press was thrice modified by the last to meet the views of the great majority of ' Philosophical College of Louvain, whieh was ; King to elevate the character of the Candle on the candidates for the priesthood a owe they could receive at the whelps' seminaries, I sacrifice to the prejadka oldie Delp pm _ have coot the King the realest pang, though, necessary of all the etineareins which be lute Tee enforcing the general use of the Dutch or Flo . been abrogated or modified. Though the motive changing the language of a pm* is justifiable , could create greater inconvenes, or lead to In the Sta it could not be enforced— t be enforced.mat CAM it was notattempted to courts of law it embanaseed every proceed. -:~s: . I The southern provinces tl project of law on public Ale in the sections or co drawn, under an engage an improved form. The Court, and made at last the Chambers. The PI really intended by the Clergy, by conferring on liberal education than tb : 1 41 beer abolished as a 'at); and—what must I Perhaps, the most Dee! made —even the decree et mist) language, has been for this attempt at chant • enough, no measure cou greater oppression. In is society it could not 1 be execula In the c 4 . - _ log, and was liable to every abuse. The indictment was read in Dutch, to a Belgian who understood only French ; the depositions were taken in Dutch, and the pleadings were delivered in the same language. The unlucky Belgian of the south might have the whole proceedings translated if he chose, and an in. terpreter was as in every tribunal and at every trial, as a judge or a couL ec er ar itut the hardship must be great to compel judge, counsel, witness, and party, to use a language with which they are imperfectly acquainted, M ead of that to which they are accustomed, and which is spoken by every man, woman, and child beyond the walls of the Court in which the trial is going on 1 It would certainly he desirable to make the two divisions of the king dom speak the same tongue, and to detach the Belgians from France by renouncing French ; but such an object cannot be accomplished in a few years, or by a Royal deare. Nothing, it must be owned, can be more ludicrous in a deliberate assembly like the Stun. General. than to hear one orator delivering a Dutch harangue, which his Belgian antagonist cannot understand, while the latter replies in a trench oration, of which the former may be equally ignorant. The interpreter steps in between them, but the eloquence &nun evariatte in the transfusion from one language to another. Such a state of things can only be changed by time and the for mation of national attachments. The harsh and impolitic sen tence of exile against M. de Potter and his friends, has been car ried into execution. We mentioned at the time when it was pronounced, that it would aeate a prejudice against the Go vernment without adding to its security, for that the exiles had only to pass the Belgic frontier and to fix their lever in the soil of France, to move the minds of their own countrymen more powerfully than before. The Government foresaw this evil, and induced the French Minister to refuse passports. The prisoners have therefore been deported to Hanover at their own choice, but can they be re. mined in that kingdom, where we presume the Dutch police cannot follow them ? ABOLITION OF SLAVERY. On the 18th November, pursuant to the wishes of the Governor, a meeting of the inhabitants wu convened, to take into consideration the best mode of abolishiag slavery in this settlement. Mr. Lewis having been requested to take the chair, the letter re ceived from the Secretary to Government su read ; and, after dis cussing the mat•er therein alluded to—vis. the speedier termination of the state of slavery, in name and substance. than can be expected to result from the gradual demise of the persons now In the list—the following resolutions were made : " 1. That it is highly desirable that means be taken to put an end to slavery. " 2. That it appears that domestic works have always been exe. cuted by slaves, that all the respectable inhabitants are dependent on this mode of serrice, and that, therefore, the abolition cannot be im mediately effected; therefore it la resolved list the several classes of natives be invited to name soma deflate caul as short a period as may be practicable, for compkJag this desirable melsure. That the Portuguese, Chinese, Malays, and Choolcas, do severally agree amongst their own tribes to name the I cried ; a-:1 that they do de pute Ave from each class to meet the smtlemen of the settle ment on peensln Wed ne sday next, the 28th inst. to make known their sen. thacan. a Wm. T. Uteri, Chairman." On the 28th Nov. a meeting having assembled, pc..-suant to the resolution of the 18th inst and the dept.: 'ions of the natives being pratnt, viz. five persons on behalf of the Portuguese, five or behalf of the Chir.ese, five on behalf of the Malays, five on behalf of the Chooleas, the sense cl: the meeting was taken, and twelve yearz fixed for the emancipation of the slaves borne on the registry-books of this settlement; and it was resolved, that Mr. Lewis, in the name and behalf of the inhabitants of Malacca, do convey to the honourable the Governor their acknowledgm en t of - his, Excellency's regard for their interests, as shown by reising the grievances of the inha bitants complained of in their petition. That the inhabitants are sensible that the decision of the judges, in the case now to be referred, will be consonant to the laws of Eng. land, and the legislative acts regarding slavery, by which they, as British subjects, are bound, both by inclination and duty, to abide; but That pending such reference, and to prove to his Excellency, the Governor, and to the world in general, that their motives have been guided by a sense of humanity, they hereby record their assent, That slavery shall not be recognized in the town and territory of Malacca after the 31st December, 1841. To John Pattuilo, Esq. Secretary to Government. have the honour to forward, for the information of the Honourable the Governor in Council, certain proceedings of the in. habitants of Malacca, regarding the emancipation of their domestic slaves. I take this opportunity of expressing how highly I feel myself honoured by having been called upon to make known to his Excel. lency the Governor these meritorious proceedings, which reflect - the highest honour and credit on the whole of the inhabitants of Ma. Luca, as evincing the humane principles by which they have been =mated in having thus voluntarily and unanimously come to the determination of emancipating their domestic slaves in so short a given period. The Honourable the Governor is no doubt aware of the poverty of the greater part of the native inhabitants, and will, therefore, the better appreciate the sacrifice they have made. The publicity which will be given to this act will, I trust, be the means of interesting the owners of slaves in the East and West Indies, to follow the example of their brethren of Malacca. I have the honour to be, flic. (Signed) WILLIAM T. Lxwts. NAVAL INTELLIGENCE. The Flora, from Havannas, and the Eunice, from New Or leans, have arrived at Havre. The Zoir, Diion, from Jamaica, is supposesl to be arrived in the Downs. Dim.. Jolla 10.—Wind N.N.W.—Arrived the John Renwick, Turner; Reward, —; London, Turner; and Nancy, Within. son, from Jamaica; and Upton Castle —. from Bombay. Ar rived from London, the Countess of LOnsdale. Groom, for Quebec. and James Sibbald, Cole, for India. _ Bairroz., Arai 10.—Arrived the Kingston, Emmerion, from Jamaica. PORTSMOUTH. Just' 10.—Wind N.N.W. PLYMOUTH, Jots 10.—Wind variable.—Arrived the Hope tnn sport, from —. FALMOCITII. ham 9—Wind N.—Sailed his Majesty's steamer Messenger, for the Mediterranean. lavrarom.,Justz 9.—The Neptune, Becker, for Mau, has put back leaky. _ _ _ Haftwicw, JMIN 10.—A foreign brig, with a figure bead, is on shore on the GUDlket. R :goy AL or PAUPERS.—The attention of the pa rish-officers of Brighton has been roused by the bill now in progress relative to the removal of Irish and Scotch vagrants, which enacts, that in case a vagrant fall on an English parish, the officers of that parish must support him or send him back to his country, at their own expense. This is a matter of no trifling consideration, ape cially to towns situated like Brighton, into which there ii continually an influx of vagrants. In Ireland there is no legal provision for the poor; in Scotland, a great number of parishes are not legally corn. pelled to support them ; but in England every pariah Is compelled to support its own poor, and now they arc to be compelled to sup. port those of either of the above countries, or send them home at a great expense to themselves ! We scarcely know by what name to call such a law. Thousands upon thousands of Irish leave their homes, because there is no provision for them : they come here, to the manifest injury of our labouring population, and now they are to be saddled upon us. The inevitable effect must be a great emmigration of Irish vagrants,who will be sent in shoals from Paddy's land, where there will be little risk of their being sent, as the Scotch say, bock again. We do not know what our agricultural members think of the matter, but we beg to assure them that it will most seriously affect their agricultural constituents, as they will soon discover, if the bill should pass into a law. Our directors and guardians, at a meeting held on Thursday last, very properly deter mined to petition against It, but have forborne to carry this design into execution, in consequence of learning that the bill is .0 be post poned till next Session.—Brishion Gazette. Cunious WILL.—A lady named Barsoff died some time since at Paris, leaving rather a curious will, from which the following are extracts I request that a column of marble may be raised over my tomb, on which shall be placed by bust in bronze, with this insaiption—' Next to the misfortune of existing, is the greater one of belonging to the human race !' and, lower down, ' Here lies Madame Barra; who died the . ' As to religious ceremonies, I wish them to be short and simple. In my opinion nothing is more stupid than to buy prayers. wish, however, that the interment should be conducted in a respect able manner. To make a waffle of religion inspires me more than any thing else with a disgust which I cannot conquer. —At the melancholy and Anal ceremony, I should prefer the presence of a single friend to all the quackery of Ministers appointed with anoter object than that which they seem usually to have in view. In short to explain myself frankly, I should like to be transported direct to Pin la Chaise,and I would make an express dame to that effect, if I were not aware of the influence of prejudice upon the best disposed minds. It would, perhaps, prevent some mans from feeling that regret at my death which 1 bAtm , myself By remembrance will ruche, and I feel that friendship is rte awry to me, even in the tomb. I still her, however, that the palms who make a trade of getting up splmdid funerals should throw ups my mecum, the blame of what t he y ma the most samisiews sod revolutionary impiety—for that is thsiehiseable pima. With suspect to U myself , I have formed my owe whisk m % M attis tarrying a dead body to the church is quite a sled only of service to those who get money by 11.11.11.11° IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. HOUSE OF LORDS, Tutrastur, Juwe 10. MESSAGE raom SHE COSMOS& Sir A. GRANT, Sir J. blacturr out Sir JOHN AIITLET, Mr. TRANI', and other Members, announce di the concurrence of the Commons in several bills, and brought up the Forgery Punishment Bill, and some others, which, on the motion of the Earl of SHATTER. n ous', were severally read a first time. IThe Bills on the table were forwarded in their respective stages, on the motion of the Earl of SHAPTERNURT. IN/ICELLANEOIIB. The Duke of NORFOLK presented a petition from Galway, in favour of the Galway town regulation bill. He felt it his duty to say that he entirely concurred in the prayer of the petition, par ticularly after the ample and liberal manner in which equality of civil rights had been conceded to the Roman Catholics of the em. pine, by the act of last session. He was sure that it could not have been the intention of their lordships to exclude from the benefits or that measure any portion of his Majesty's Roman Catholic subjects. The had of ORMOND presented a petition from the licentiate apothecaries of the county of Kilkenny, against the stamp duties ea medicines. The Earl of RADNOR presented a petition against the renewal of the Esst India Company's Monopoly; and also a petition from Bolton, in the County of Lancaster, against the Corn Laws. The Marquis of DOWNSH IRE presented a petition from the teeeholdens of the County of Down, against the additional Spirit mod Stamp Duty. The noble Marquis would abstain, at the pre sent moment, from expressing any opinion on the prayer of the pe tition, on account of the great importance of the subjects to which it related. The Marquis of LONDONDERRY thought the petition ought to be read at length. It proceeded from a body of men who were eminently entitled to attention on account of their importance and intelligence, and the subject to which it related was one upon which the greatest agitation prevailed throughout Ireland. He should, in a few days, have petitions to present on the same subject from se veral other Irish counties. The County of Down, from which the = petition proceeded, might be considered as the Yorkshire of •The Marquis of DOWNSH IRE had been far from intending any disrespect to the petitioners, but he had been unwilling to prejudge a question of this importance, and had therefore refrained from ex pressing any opinion on the prayer of this petition. But in conse quence of what had fallen from the noble marquis, he felt bound to that peat advantages were to be expected from the gradual de. of the resources of Ireland, and that no additional lm pets ought to be imposed upon the country without the greatest care and consideration. The Marquis or LONDONDERRY explained. The petition was then laid upon the table. Viscount LORTON presented a petition from the Local Dirac ton of the Provincial Bank of Ireland, in Coleraine, for the abolition of the punishment of death for forgery. Lord WHARNCLIFFE presented a petition from the Protestant ' Dissenters of a place in the county of York, for the abolition of Negro slavery ; and also a petition from a place in the West Riding of the same county, for the removal of the Assizes to Wadefield. Lord HOLLAND presented a petition from the Merchant Sea men of the Part of Poole, for the repeal of the law which compels them to contribute a portion of their wages to the chest at Green wich ; and likewise a petition from the spinners of Oldham, in the county of Lancaster, praying that the employment of persons under twenty-one years of age by night in factories may be prohibited. The Noble Lord also presented petitions from a place in the county of Bedford, against the infliction of capital punishment for the crime of forgery, and from the Liverpool Co-operative Society, against the renewal of the East India Company's charter. Mildmay's Divorce Bill, and Boydell's Divorce Bill, severally passed through a committee. The Marquis of LANSDOWNE presented petitions from Gal way, in favour of the town of Galway Regulation Bill ; from *Maidenhead against the punishment of death for forgery ; and ftom a place in Wexford against the tithe laws. Lord CALTHORPE presented a petition from certain paper. seekers in the county of Gloucester, for the substitution of manual Weer for machinery. rims ON DEMISE OP THE CROWN ANOLITION DILL. The Earl of DARNLEY, when last he addressed their lordships en the subject of this important bill, had felt it his duty to say that be did not intend to press it forward through its further stages in present circumstances. He had since that time found that the bill was not likely to occasion so much discussion as he then antici pated ; and upon more mature reflection he was convinced that he out not, by abandoning the measure, to do in justice to a most:meri torious class of individuals. He now therefore gave notice that be should move on Monday next that the bill be committed, in the persuasion that by that time the noble and learned lord on the woolsack and the noble duke would be prepared to propose such amendments as would enable their lordships to pass the measure without objection. ZOOS DRAINAGE (IRELAND The Duke of WELLINGTON ex pressed his assent to the prin ciple of this bill, for the success of whish hla noble friend and rela tion (the Marquis of Downshire) had shewn so much anxiety, and he did not despair of its being rendered palatable to the house and the country. He begged their lordships, however, to take care that the details of the measure should be so modified, that no injury might accrue to the country. Some of the provisions of the bill as it -now stood were liable to abuse. It set out by enabling any person who was the owner of part of a bog, to apply to the Lord Lieutenant, who was then authorized to appoint Comtnissioners to carry the drainage Into effect, and these Commissioners were to possess powers much greater even than those which were placed in the hands of Grand Juries in Ireland. The power of raising loans and levying assess. menu were not likely to be exercised in Ireland without great abuses. lie therefore begged his noble friend and relation to poet. pone the committee on this bill until Monday, when he hoped to have some amendments to propose. The bill so amended might be printed, and then re-committed, and at last might become a measure worthy of the support of the house. The Marquis of DOWNSHIRE had listened with great pleasure to the sentiments of the Noble Duke. He had no object but to pro mote the improvement of the country, and with this view he bad obtained information from various quarters, which were generally in favour of the principle of the measure. He agreed in the propriety of first forming the Committee, and he hoped that at last the bill would be made worthy of their Lordship's approbation. He had a strong interest in the success of the measure, but there were others wbo had a mush greater interest in it than himself. The order was accordingly discharged, and the bill ordered to be committed on Monday next. LAST RETFORD BILL. The House proceeded in the examination of witnesses in support of the East Retford Disfranchisement Bill. The examination in support of the allegations was brought to a conclusion this evening, and the further proceedings on the bill adjourned to Monday fort night. Their Lordships then adjourned. HOUSE OF COMMONS, Juxz 10. APPEAL COMMITTEES ON PRIVATE HILLS• Mr. DIibIIIMOND moved that the Clyde navigation bill be rt. oommitted. Mr. C. W. WYNN opposed the motion. The appeal committee had decided that the evidence did not supi,ort the allegations of the preamble. After that fact, would it not be hard to put the parties again to the expense of bringing their witnesses from Scotland. Mr. BIUNDAY said he did not think that the committee could have come to any other result. Col. WILSON thought it would be better to postpone the bill for the present session. Sir J. GRAHAAI observed that evidence was balanced on this subject. The impression of his multi was, that the bill should be recommitted; but he thought that the partite ough , to have an op portunity of proving shell case; he, however, also considered that if the bill were recommitted, it ought to be to a different list or corn. mitten. Mr. O'CONNELL said, if the appeal committee were to decide nothing, what would be the use of it ? ought the parties to be com pelled to go over their ease again ? He was also against the bill; he had entered the house with a strong impression against private bills, and this bill confirmed his impression. Mr. DUNDAS considered that the only war to do justice be. twcen the parties, would be to send the cue back to a committee. Alderman WAITHDIAN opposed the motion, considering that as it had been referred to an Appeal Committee, it would be absurd to adopt it. Mr. LYTTLETON remarked, that as he had sueseeded in car rying the Committee of Appeal to correct irregularities in 1825, he felt interested in the fate of this motion; and that if it were carried, it would be at once ridiculous, as regarded the question of the Ap peal Committees, and as concerned the decision of the Appeal Cem. mittee, there could not be a ease in which the decision of the Ap. peal Comtnittee could be more proper ; it ought not to be disturbed. Mr. SYKES supported the motion. He maintained that the Appeal Committee had examined grounds with which they had no thing to do; they ought only to have examined the conduct of Members on the previous Committee, not the merits of the Bill. Sir B. INOLIS also opposed the motion ; unless the resole. don for an a p peal committee were to be a dead letter, and the report of the a ppeal committee a nullity, he did not see bow this motion could be K s ß ut&prtod. Mr.KENNEDY supported the motion. The only reason why the original evidence was defective, was that the parties were not allowed to produce the whole of their case. lir. MAXWELL said that Glasgow, which might be considered the emporium of Scotland, was against the bill, in consequence of a particular clause introduced into it. The bill would be of great vans to Scotland. He thought that there ought to be the opportunity of adducing further evidence in support o the preamble. He could not but consider that the appeal committee had decided too hastily. Sir T. D. ACLAND opposed the motion. If the decision of the Appeal Committee were thus to be set aside, the Appeal Committee would only become a source of increased litigation, vexation, and expense. As the question was one that involved a matter of practice, he should like to hear the Speaker's opinion. (Hear.) The SPEAKER said that this was the .dirst case of the kind . He viewed the question as somewhat similar to a Iteport against a Bill, in which case the chances would have beet. very much against the Bill. The ordinary course would have been against the Bill. If the Appeal Committee's decision were adopted, there was an end of the bill; but the heare never gave the ultimate decision out of its own hand. The house were not unused to send back a bill to a committee, so that the question was, dill the house adopt the appeal committee's report ? Mr. 11. DRUMNIOND replied. He urged the question. be. cause the appeal committee had net heard the whole of the ease. Sir U. CLERK said, that though inconvenience might result from delaying the improved navigation, he considered that gicasi.r inconvenience would result from thus, in the first instance, setting at nought the report of the appeal committee ; he must therefore oppose the motion. If the report were not adopted, It would be better at once to expunge their standing order on the subject. The gallery was cleared for a division, but cone took place. It was understood that the motion was withdrawn. Mr. STUART had leave to attend the lords' committee on th • East India Company's affairs. :eir.'WARD presented the sixth report of the committee thereon —Ordered to be printed. Sir G. COCK BURN obtained leave to bring in a bill to Innate the Acts relating to Rye harbour. Mr. lIU TCHINSON presented a petition from surgeon. in Ireland, members of the College in London, against the duty on diplomas. Mr. SADLER presented a petition from Newark, in favour of the adoption of machinery to sweep chimneys. Its utility having beta proved, some legislative measure ought to be adopted. Ordered to be printed. A ;sett ion was presented fromTlpperary against increased taxation Ttle. RICE presented a petition from the directors of' the Water ford bank, against the punishment of death for forgery. Mr. C.IREIV presented a petition from Wexford against the tyihe system—Ordered to be printed. Col. WILSON presented a petition from Whitby against the tax ' imposal on merchant seamen to support the Greenwich chss...—Or dered to be printed. Mr. Alderman WAITHMAN presented a petition from an indi vidual named Joseph Kinder, complaining of the alarming increase of hydrophobia, and praying the house to adopt means to preven• its extension. Ordered to be printed. Mr. O'CONNELL presented petitions complaining of distress from Capel Tring, Waterford ; from a parish, Cullagb, in Clare • also against increased taxation on stamps, spirits, &c; also one from Agnes. Cork, against the Vestry Act; also one from the parish of St. Patrick, Downahire, complaining of abuses in the establish ment, and against the Vestry Ad.—Ordered to be printed. Mr. O'CONNELL renewed his Inquiry respecting an Act ea: Georgia subjecting foreign vessels to quarantine—had the ministers done any thing on the subject ? Sir R. PEEL replied, that the ease was still under investigation— but he had no hesitation in stating that the act was a most extraor dinary one, and that except there was some pressing necessity th.• Sista would see the propriety of repealing or altering it. Mr. MAXWELL brought ins !Akio regulate the assessments on tensats of houses and lodgings in to the poor rates.— Read first time, and order ed to - be read a second time June 24. Sir J. WROTTESLEY presented a report of the select colt. mattes on hackney coaches.—Ordered to be printed, without hav;vc any more than its title read. CEAXCZIY. Ms. J. WILLIAMS presented a petition from Solicitors of th e metropolis, on the subject of the Register-office. Sir C. WETHERELL availed himself of this opportunity tc express the hope, that the house would well consider the businebs, before they allowed a fourth intrusive Judge in the Court or Chancery. Sir R. PEEL thought that the Solicitor-General ought to be al. lowed to open the case on the bill, before it was commented on. Mr. DI. A. TAYLOR said, that further inquiry was unnecea. sary ; they had been at it since 1810, with inquiries and proposi. lions of all sorts, and yet nothing at all was done—they were pre cisely jn 'tutu quo. Further inquiry was not requisite, if they were to decide the question as men, and not as children.—Petition or dered to be printed. • PORTUGAL. Lord J. RUSSELL asked, ether the existence of a Regency in Terceira had been notified to the Portuguese Government; and, sew: idly, whether any negociation was proceeding with Brasil as t: Portugal, and the succession to its crown ? Sir R. PEEL said, he must answer the first question in the affir mative; and, as to the second, that negotiations on the subject were continuing. Lord PALMERSTON asked, whether any relation had Ihet. substituted between this country and the Regency of Terceira ? Sir R. PEEL replied, that no relation with that Regency exist,d nothing that could be properly tamed a relation between that It.. prey and this country. 31r. DUNCOMBE presented a petition from an indivi.lust named Warren, complaining that Chelsea Ho.pital would not pay his arrears of pension. Mr. W. PEEL moved for the third report of the commissioners on real property.—Ordered. He also presented accounts of suits of Equity, &c.—Ordered to be printed. GREECE. Mr. HUSKISSON said he wished to move for various papers relative to the negociations regarding Greece, and he trusted that there would be no objection to the motion. His object was not to promote discussion, but to get papers which he considered were re quisite to illustrate the negociations ; he meant particularly the answer of the Reis Effendi, dated 10th Dec 1829. The authorities Isonsidered that answer no answer at all—hut that answer did not appear in the papers. The Reis Efftndi also wrote to the Duke of Wellington, to which the Duke personally rrplied : both thou. documents most properly appeared. Sir R. PEEL said he reluctantly interposed. He had intimated that he had no objection to product the papers required. Mr. HUSKISSON observed that he had only been desirous of showing the importance of the document. They ought also to have the Reports of the Ambassadors. It was not because Ministers ac quiesced in the production of such papers that a Member was to be precluded from showing the utility of such papers; because to ea. pect Members to travel through those voluminous papers was too much. He concluded with moving for the answer of the Reis Ef fendi of Dec. 10, 1829, and several other papers. Sir R. PEEL was ready to produce the papers i • he had only in. terrupted the Right Hon. Gent. becau se b e un d e rstood there was to be no discu.sion. If discussion were not intended remarks might tend to prejudice the main question. When a minister intimated readiness to produce papers, moving for them was not generally 'considered as requiring remarks. The government was ready to produce any papers, so long as they were not calculat e d t o i nterru p t or irritate the friendly feeling that existed between this and other countries. He did not consider that these papers, which, indeed, were rained to in the protocols, would have any such effect; he was ready to produce these papers. Lord J. RUSSELL asked whether there would be any objection to produce the documents assigning reasons for departing from the boundaries settled March 22, 1829. In answer to a question tram Lord PALMERSTON, Sir It. PEEL said that every effort was made to counsel Turkey to come to an amicable settlement with Russia; but as there was no ambassatlor from this country at Constantinople, those efforts were made indirectly, through the ambassadors of other powers; and as this correspondence was of a confidential nature, he did otijea to its production. Lord PALMERSTON :irked if it was distinctly intimated to Turkey that this country, in any event, would not interfere in her favour ? Sir R. PEEL said that such an intimation was certainly con. veyed to the Porte, but through the same indirect channels .0 the other communications passed through. The returns were then agreed to. PARISH VESTRIES IX IRELAND. Mr. O'CONNELL, after expatiating at considerable length on the evil resulting from the state of the law, as respected parish ves tries in Ireland, and upon the manner in which those evils acre ageravated by the very law which the right hon. gent. (the Chancellor of the Exchequer) had caused to be introduced for the purpose of remedying those evils, moved for leave to being in a bill to repeal so much of the statutes of force in Ireland, as to enable parish vestries to assess rates for building, rebuilding, and enlarging of churches and chapels ; and also for the repair ing of the chancel of churches, and also for providing things ft =miry for the celebration of divine service t her ein. His object was, he said, to take away from the Bishops and Archbishops in Ireland the power which they possessed to order churches to be built whenever they pleased, at the expense of the inhabitants.—. It:would be equally as much for the benefit of the Protestant as it would be for the Catholic and the Dissenter; and as all be sought was to place the law on the same footing as the law of Etigland in this ease, on which footing it formerly stood, and from which it ought never to have been altered, be trusted that this motion would be agreed to. lie was sorry to see so thin an attendance of members, particularly of Irish sees,-to wheat constituents this siestas was of such importance; but he bad see consolation-- for a thin house was attended with this advantage, that be was not likely to be intarupted ia his speech by prima cenvonadon