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EXPRESS FROM PARIS. ADURESS OF THE CHAMBER OF DEPUTIES, TRANS , LA I'ED FROM THE OFFICIAL COPY. " SIRE.,—!t is with high sentiments of gratitude that your fait:tit-I minim., the Deputies of the Departments, assembled around .wer Throne, have heard front your Royal lips the flattering proof et co-.V.ence w%ich you groat them. Happy as they are, Sire, to litep!re you with such a sentiment, they will show that it is not un fosinit:d. by the inviolable fidelity of which they respectfully present you the homage: they will show it not unfounded, by the loyal ac complishment of their duty. Sire,—We rejoice with you at the events. which have con the p,:.:Le • of Europe, strengthened the unity existing be .sst•-•: you: inaj and yo,ir Allies. and put an end to a disastrous we: in the May the unfortunate nation which your benevo lence has defended :•.3..tinst inevitable destruction, find its independ. ever, its force. and i:s liberty, in the future lot which your majesty's prot.retion is preparing for it. " Sire, we pour forth our wishes for the success of your Majesty's eelicitude, in concert with your Allies, for the reconciliation of the • Pr.t.ces of the House of Brogans& It is certainly an object worthy rt aour Majesty's care to put an end to the evils which afflict Por. tbig.il, without attacking the sacred principle of legitimacy, which is eqaally inviolable for Kings and nations. " Your Majesty had suspended the effects of your resentment against one of the Barbary Powers ; but you are now of opinion that you ought not to defer any longer to avenge the insult offered to your flag. We shall wait respectfully for the communications itch your Majesty will undoubtedly think necessary to give us on a subject so intimately connected with most Important interests.— Sire, whenever it will be requisite to defend the dignity of your throne, and protect the French Commerce, you may rely on the sup. pert and courage of your people. " The Chamber will concur with gratefulness in the measures yoa will propose to ameliorate the position of superannuated sol. l 4;ers the laws which are to be presented respecting the judicial body t, .d the administration, shall also meet with due attention. " The reduction of the public revenue which your Majesty has stleounced is a symptom of an afflicting nature ; we shall do all in our power to investigate the cause of the distress which it sti.lounces. " Your Majesty has given orders for the proposal of a law fur the paying off the public debt. The importance of the questions that this project contains, and the obligation of keeping a strict balance between the different interests which are connected with them, will excite our solicitude to the highest degree; a just and wise organization of the public credit will be a powerful source of prosperity for France, and for your Majesty a new title to the grati tude of your subjects. " But the necessary condition for the accomplishment of this great blessing, and without which it would remain sterile, is security for the future, which is the most solid basis of the public credit. and the first want of industry. " We have come at the sound of your voice from all parts of your kingdom, and we lay at your feet, Sire, the homage of a faithful people, still touched with having seen you the most benevolent amidst the general benevolence ; and which reveres in your Majesty the accomplished model of the most amiable virtues. Sire,your subjects re spect and cherish your authority ; 15 years of peace and liberty which they owe to your august brother and yourselthave strongly impressed them with the gratitude they owe to your Royal family ; the reason of your subjects, now matured by experience and freedom of debates, tells them, that it is especially in matters of authority that anti quity of possession is the most sacred of all titles ; and that it is for their happiness, as well as your own glory, that time has placed your throne in regions above the reach of tempests. Their convic tion coinciding, therefore, with their duty, presents the sacred rights of your crown as the best guarantee of their liberties, and the in tegrity of your prerogative as necessary to the preservation of these right 4. " However, Sire, in the midst of the unanimous sentiments of respect and affection with which your people surround you, their minds are troubled by an anxiety which disturbs the security that France was beginning to enjoy, stops the sources of her prosperity, and might, were it to continue, become fatal to her tranquillity. Our conscience, our honour, the fidelity which we have sworn, and intend to keep to your Majesty, make it our duty to expose its cause to you. Sire, the charter which we owe to the wisdom of your august predecessor, and which your majesty is firmly determined to consoli date, consecrates as a right the intervention of the country in the de liberation of the public interests. This intervention ought to be, and is really, indirect, wisely moderate, and circumscribed to exact limits, which we shall never suffer to be passed; but Is also positive in its result, for it makes the permanent concurrence of the political views of your Majesty's Government with the desires of your people an indispensable condition for the regular administration of public affairs. Sire, our loyalty, our affection, oblige us to say that this concurrence exists no more. " An unjust distrust of the sentiments and reason of France is now the fundamental idea of the Administration. It afflicts your people, because it is insulting to them ; and excites their anxiety, bemuse it threatens their liberties. " This distrust can never enter your noble heart. No, Sire, France does no more desire anarchy than your Majesty despotism: she is worthy that you should rely on her loyalty, as she relies on your promises. " Let your majesty decide between those who do not understand a nation so calm and so faithful, and between us, who, impressed with sincere sentiments of conviction, come to confide to your royal bosom the affliction of a whole nation. Your royal prerogatives have given your majesty the means of establishing between the dif (went powers of the state that constitutional harmony which is the essential condition of the strength of the throne, and the grandeur of • France." ANSWER OF THE KING. Sii,—l have listened to the address which you present to me in the name of the Chamber of Deputies. I had a right to reckon on the concurrence of the Chambers to do all the good that I in tended. lam unhappy to hear the deputies of the departments de. dare that this concurrence on their part does not exist. " Cientlemen,—l have already announced my intentions in my speech at the opening of the session ; they are immutable ; the in terests of my people do not allow me to deviate from them. ".My Ministers will communicate my intentions to you." SPAIN. • MADRID, Miami( 8. Several changes have lately taken place in our diplomatic body. M. Jean Vial, his Majesty's Minister at Dresden, hu been named Charg6 d'Affaires at Constantinople; the Marquis of Cass.Yrujo, Chef du Bureau at the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, succeeds M. Yisl ; M. Amp Calderon, Chef du *Bureau at the same Ministry, leas been appointed Charge d'Affairei at Copenhagen ; and M. Mariano Carta, Secretary of Legation at the Court of France, has been • named Chargé d'Affelts at Stockholm. M. Sauveur Zee • Bermudez, alim Chef du Bureau at the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, boa been appointed Secretary to his Excellency Count Offal* in the room of Al. Cavin.—Quoridienne. The three places of Chefs du Thireau, vacant by the above nomi. nations, have been. given to MM. Vencelao de Sierra, Al. Joseph Ptnialas, and M. N. Zea I3ernitidez, brother to the newly-appointed Secretary of Legation at Pavia, ' In marvence of .the death of M. Dien, Archbishop of Manilla (Philippa° Island's), his MONO has proposed to the Tribunal des Indite il. Joseph &qui is his ikccessor. • Our paper niostey.hirs had p little fall. The Vales Consolidss are quoted io-Ay. u ; the on Cousolides, at Pli ; Bank Stock, I 9 piaster:. FRENOH tu.Nra • • Five per Cents. 105 f. 584.1.1,e.;.—5hut, March 6, WOE we. , . four per Cents. 1011.80 e. k Three per Cents, ill. alf. alc, 20c. 15c. 35c. See. tOc. 30c. Bank Stuck. 11,1100 f. 1,0110. f. Neapolitan Reuter, 021.2 k. Ilk. 10c. 2Se. Ok. Renee Perpetaelk d'ltapagne, Royal Spanish Loan, 004., IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. HOUSE OF LORDSFRIDAT. COMMISSION. At a quaricr before four the Loaf) CHANCELLOR, the Earl of R0 , 41.YN, and the Earl of SHAFTESBURY, as L ords Commis ' sinners appointed to give the royal assent to the public and pirate bills at present passed both houses of parliament, took their seats on the woolsack. Mr. Pullman, the Assistant Usher of the Black Rod, was then directed to summon the Commons. In the course of a tew mi nutes, the Speaker, attended by the officers of the house, and ac companied by about half a dozen members, appeared at the bar. The commission having been read, the royal assent was then given in the usual manner to the following bills t—The Exche quer Bills Bill, the Transfer in Aids' Bill, the Jersey and Guern sey Poor BilL The Private BiUs were—The Salford improve ment Bill, Torrington Road Bill, Market Harborough Road Bill, Thirsk Road Bill, Bridgewater Road Bill, Nottingham and Derby Road Bill, and two other Road Bills. The members of the house of nammons then retired, and their lordships adjourned to five o'clo.ck. MICSSAGES FROM THE HOUSE OP COMMONS. Mr. Piri, Mr. BELL, and Mr. A. CAMPBELL, with other memiwnt of the House et Commons, brought up several private (Road) Bills, which were severally read a first time. TRUCE SYSTEM. - - - Viscount GODRRICH presented petitions from Worcester, Dud. ley, Congleton, Oldbury, Meythyr Tydvil, Wednesbury, Cradley, Sedgeley and other places, against paying labourers in goods in staid of money. He said he should not trouble the house on the present occasion with any observations on the subject of the peti tions, as another opportunity would be afforded. Earl BATHURST presented a similar petition from Wootton. under edge, in Gloucesterstdre. LEATHBII TAX. Viscount GODERICH said he had two petitions from the tan. ners of Belfast and Dublin, against the leather tax ; " the prayer of which, " added the noble lord, " I am happy to say, is about to be complied with by parliament." HOP DUTIES. Viscount GODERICH—I have three other petitions, my lords, to present to your lordships, from certain persons, hop growers and factors, praying for a repeal of the law which imposes a duty on hops. I regret, at present, it is not probable that the prayer of the petitioners can be complied with. But though I regret this, on the other hand, I see so much reason to be satisfied with the principles and views of his Blajcsty's ministers, and the manner in which they apply those principles, that I think at no distant period it will be found practicable to give the relief which the petitioners seek. DISTRESS-TAXATION. Lord VERNON presented a petition signed by several magis trates, clergymen, and about 400 owners and occupiers of land, in the hundred of Eyneford, in the county of Norfolk, praying for relief from the distress and pauperism which is spreading around them, caused by excessive taxation, especially by that of the malt tax, and increased by the alteration in the currency. Earl DARNLEY presented a petition from the operatives in the cotton factories of Dublin, complaining of distress, and praying for relief. The Duke of RICHMOND presented a petition signed by 548 owners and occupiers of land at Boston, and in the vicinity, in the county of Lincoln. The petitioners complained of general distress, and prayed to be relieved from the pressure of taxation. POOR RASES. Lord TEVNHAM presented a petition against the poor laws, and gave notice that an early day after the Eater recess, he should submit a motion to the house on the subject. The chief object of this motion would be to strike at the root of that practice which had crept in of late years, of paying the labourers out of the poor rates. TEA HAWIEtI. The Earl of CARNARVON presented a petition from the tea dealers and grocers of the cities of Bath and Wells, complaining of the injury which they received by the hawkers of tea, and pray ing relief. ________. • KENT PETITION. Earl STANHOPE—My lords, having yesterday received the petition agreed upon at the meeting of the county of Kent, for pre. sentation to your lordships, I beg leave to give notice that I shall present it on Monday next. I also beg leave, my lords, to give no. tice that on Thursday next, I intend to move for some papers rela tive to free trade ' with a view of submitting a motion on the subject. I also move that the house be summoned. The Duke of WELLINGTON wished to be favoured with a list of the papers which the noble earl wanted. Earl STANHOPE signified that he would take care the noble duke had the list. He then added, that his object, in giving notice of his intention to present the petition was, that those noble lords connected with that county might be aware of the fact. The LORD CHANCELLOR, in an under tone, observed (as was understood,) that on Monday he should have to submit a motion to the house, on the subject of the Court of Chan cery, and of the intended alterations in the law, and it would be more convenient would the noble earl present the petition► on another day. Earl STAN 110 P E—My Lords, understanding that Monday would not be so convenient a day to present the petition, I beg to name Tuesday. The Duke of WELLINGTON observed (across the table,) that there was a motion fixed for Tuesday.—(The motion of the mar quis of Clanricarde respectiol the affair at Terceira.] Earl STANHOPE—If Tuesday be an inconvenient day for the noble duke, I will name another. The Duke of WELLINGTON—It is immaterial to me what day the noble earl presents the petition. On Tuesday there is a motion already fixed, but the noble earl is the best judge whether the petition contains matter likely to lead to a discussion. Earl STANHOPE—I certainly, my lords, wish that the petition should be discussed. As the two days 1 have named are inconve. nient, I will now name Thursday (Wednesday being a day gene. rally considered not devoted to business,) as I am anxious that the petition should be presented as early as possible. The two mutiny bills were read a third time and passed. Some private bills on the table were advanced one stage. Earl FITZWILLIANI presented a petition from Thorpe, in the West Riding of York, against the renewal of the East India Company's charter. CHURCHWARDENS. The Duke of RICHMOND presented a petition from George dunning, Lieutenant of the lst Dragoon Guards. praying an in. quirt into the laws respecting the appointment of churchwardens. " With respect to the petition, my lords," said the noble duke, " I beg leave to give no opinion upon COIN LAM*. Lord KINQ gave notice that, on Monday se'nnigbt, he should submit certain resolutions to their lordships on the corn laws.—Peers to be summoned. SUTTEE. Lord CALTHORPE presented two petitions from congregatii in London, against the practice of suttees in India. EQVITY BILLS. The LORD CHANCELLOR—My lords, in moving the se coed reading of the bill, entitled, ‘• An Act for altering and amend ing the law regarding commitments by courts of equity fur con. tempts, and the taking bills pro confearo," with the other bills which were brought into the other house of parliament by the Soli eitor-General, your lordships will naturally expect me to offer some explanation as to their nature and object. The manner in which that learned gentleman has brought forward these bills is highly creditable to him; he is entitled to the thanks of the country for his laborious exertions in forwarding the object in view. I shall very shortly state the nature of the bills. The first is, as to the ap pearance of the parties in the courts of equity. Parties are committed foe disobedience to the orders of the court. The first fact to which I beg to call your attention is this :—lf the party does not appear to the suit, he is committed to prison ; but before this, he is brought to the bar of the court, that the court may appoint some one to ap pear fur him, if he refuse. In order to avoid the additional expense by first issuing process, and then compelling the party to appear, the court has now the power of bringing the party before it without that additional expense. The next point is with reference to the answer —the only mode being, if a party refused to answer, of enforcing the order of the court to commit. There is a clause, Al far as re members of parliament, if they refuse to answer, the bill shan taken pro emsferso. With respect to the relief given in eases where parties are committed for contempt, I think this part of the bill highly important. There have been instances of persons con fined for 16, 20, 26, and even 30 years, nobody atteddini; to them, anti without any inquiry. For the purpose of preventing this, there is a clause Introduced, requiring a register of the names of the persons who are committed for contempt. nese persons, thus committed, am divided into awe classes; the first class comprises those who are committed for contempt in open court, the improper marriage of wards ; the second class comprises those committed for contempt in not answering. Returns are to be made from time to time of the names of those who are committed. The Solicimr- I General, in the course of his inquiries, ascertained that several per , sons had been committed, and they scarcely knew for what ; there they were, however, lying in prison, with a prospect of being per. petually confined. It is for the purpose of s rua:ding against these evils that the clause to which I have referred has been introduced. The Court of Chancery has frequently ordered an act to be dome by parties which has not been done. Foe instance, the • court has di. meted a deed to be signed, or a fine to be levied, which'it had nos the power of enforcing in the manner that was beneficial to justice. rh , Chancery comm i ss ioners saw the inconvenience of this system, and they recto:mended that the Court . of Chancery, having ordered the deed to be done, upon a certain time it should be done, and the party be declared entitled to relief. There it, therefore, a clause on this particular subject. The Chancery commissioners also sug gested a mode of shortening the process or the court. Before a party could be compelled to answer he was brought up under a habeas corpus writ, and been told what he must do; if he refused, however, to do that, he was brought up under an alias habeas : he was then reminded of what he ought to do ; but, if he still refused, a pluries habeas was issued. (Ilear, hear.) He was , again reminded what was required of him, which, if he would not comply with, an alias pluries habeas was opened. (A laugh) All this expense and process took place before the bill could be taken pro conlesso. The nt bill meditated the shortening of the process in other ings in the Court of Chancery. These are some of the objects of the bill—which is drawn up with great care, and with but few alterations, that may be more properly men tioned in the committee, is calc ulated to be of considerably more service—which I recommend to your lordships fur the second read ing. Another bill, of which I now propose the second reading, my lords, is intituled "An Act for consolidating and amending the laws relating to property belonging to infants, femmes-covert, idiots, lunatics, and persons of unsound mind." The whole at the laws relating to these parties have been consolidated and brought into one act. There are various improvements in the law r ing the surrender of copyholds. I will, my lord, state one or respect There is a clause to enable a femme -covert, infant, or lunatic, to appoint a person to enter an appearance with respect to copyholds; and by another clause no forfeiture by the infant, femme-covert, or lunatic, of copyhold land shall take place. There are also clauses to enable parties to surrender or grant new leases. It is exceed ingly proper that the court should have the power to enable its wards to grant the renewal of leases of any lands belonging to in fants, when it is for the benefit of the estate—it is provided always that it shall not be injurious to the infant when the infant comes of age. There is also a prevision to affect the conveyance of an estate of a lunatic which parties have contracted to take previous to the act of lunacy. The Court of Chancery could always compel the vender to complete his part of the agree ment, but there was no power en the other side to surrender the estate, although the purchase money were paid into Court, the estate remaining in the lunatic. There is a clause to direct the transfer of stock by the committee of a lunatic, on the order of the Court of Chancery, to a new committee. There Is also another portant clause to which I beg to revert. Some of the provision of the old law did not extend to Ireland and some of the provisions with respect to Ireland did not affect England. Now it is proposed that the law between the two countries be assimilated. The third bill, my lords, is intituled "An Act for amending the laws re specting conveyances and transfers of estates and funds vested in trustees and mortgagees; and for enabling Courts of Equity to give effect to their decrees and orders in certain cases." My learned predecessor recommended to the Solicitor-General some improve ment with respect to the power of trustees. If a party, by the law as It now stands, being a trustee, shall sell an estate, the heir at law, if of age, is bound to conform, under the direction of the Court of Chancery ; hut if the heir at law be under age, the proceedings are suspended until he becomes of age. The proposed bill has a clause enabling infant trustees or mortgagees to convey an estate of an infant, under the direction of the court. At present, with re. spect to the trustees of an estate, if a trustee dies, it Is necessary to file a new bill, thus creating an additional expense for the appoint ment of another trustee. It is now proposed that the Court of Chancery should have a jurisdiction of appointing new trustees without filing a new bill, merely on petition—(hear). With respect to trustees of charities which have existed for a course of time, and where the trustees cannot be found, a decree may be now made (by the proposed Bill) on an affidavit to that effect. These are the pals. cipal provisions of the three bills. Most of the provisions in the second and third bills will be found united. It was, however, coo. sidered that the two bills should be divided. My lords, I have stated the general outlines of these bills. When they come .inso committee there are other particulars proper to be stated. The Earl of MALMESBUIIY expressed his thanks for the very honest statement of the noble and learned lord. The noble earl rose to ask whether, in the clause in one of the bills empowering the Court of Chancery to grant leases of any lands belonging to infanta, when beneficial to the estate, it was intended to grant a lease of the mansion-house ? If it were so, a trustee, for instance, might let as estate when the heir at law was 19, with the family mansion, and thus the heir might be deprived of the mansion house until he was 40. He should like to have a clause inserted, but the committee would be the proper period for introducing it, to prevent such a thing as what he had pointed out. The LORD CHANCELLOR said that the Court of Chancery would never deprive the infant, when he arrived of age, of the fa. mily mansion. The Earl of MALMESBURY said that, when the bill wu in committee, be should move such a clause as be had alluded to. The bills were severally read a second time, and their lordships adjourned, at a Quarter to Six, to Monday. HOUSE OF COMMONS-FRIDAY. The SPEAKER communicated to the house that he had been I summoned to the House of Lords to hear the Royal Assent given to 1 several Bills (for which see House of Lards' report.) On the motion of Sir G. CLERK, Lad Ellenborough's Divorce Bill wu read a first time. Mr. Aid. THOMPSON presented a petition from the Muter. and Wardens of the Watermen's Company against the building of a new bridge at Lambeth.—Labi on the table. Mr. T. B. CARTER presented a petition from the licensed vie twiner. of Portsmouth and Poetics against the throwing open dun trade of beer.—Laid on the table. The Marquis of CHANDOS presented a petition from a hundred in Buckinghamshire, complaining of agricultural distress. The noble lord observed, if it were intended at all to ameliorate the condition of the agriculturists, the most direct. and immediate course would be to take off the duty on malt. He felt grateful to Government for what had been done in taking off the duty on beer, but he was fully persuaded it would not afford the relief required. The duty on malt was particularly oppressive on the farmers. Mr. HEATHCOTE considered that the taking off the duty on beer was necessar► w the doing 'say with the monopoly in the sale of that necessary mice. That monopoly he considered to affect the public as much as the duty on it. It was as undeniable fact that the price of beer was kept up by those monopolists, 0 -e brewers. at the same price now as in the war time, when malt and barley were double the price they are at present. The public derived no advantage from the fall in price; it went into the pockets of the monopolists ; and he considered that by throwing open the trade i this injurious system would be at once destroyed. Mr. C. CALVERT considered that the opening the trade would I not be attended by the advantage to the public. It would transfer the business into new hands, but without producing, in his opinion, 1 an increased consumption of 100 barrels of beer. The petition was then brought up, and ordered to be printed. I The Marquis of CHANDOS also presented a similar petition from Burnham, complaining of distress.—Ordered to be printed. Lord EASTNOR presented a petition from the licensed vic tuallers of the City of Hertford against throwing open the sale of beer. Mr. DUNCO3IBE presented a petition from the farmers and ! others in Ho'deniers and its vicinity, complaining of agricultural distress. Mr. SYKES presented a petition from the merchants. shipowners, and inhabitants of Kingston.upon-Hull, complaining of the East India monopoly, and a similar petition from the members of the Trinity House in Hull. Lord ALTHORP presented a petition from the parish of Wel lingborough, in the county of Northampton, against the severity of the law relating to forgery. Lord F. LLYESON GOWER moved for copies of certain cor respondence with the Irish Government on the subject of the Irish estimates in 1829. Lord F. L. GOWER postponed to the 26th the second reading of the bill for providing for deserted children in Ireland. Mr. BRA NSBY COOPER presented a petition from 'the inha bitants of Wootton-under-Edge against the truck system. „„,, Mr. B. COOPER also presented a petition front the inhabitants of the county of Gloucester, praying for some nseasure to prevent the frequency of the crime of horse-stealing. Mr. O'CONNELL presented a petition from the Rev. Thomas Smith, of the city of London, praying for some measures fur fecal- taring the erection of churches, and complaining of the system of pluralities. Mr. O'CONNELL presented a petition from certain electors of Waterford, against the return of Lord George Berestbril.— To be taken into consideration on Wednesday, April 27. Mr. O'CONNELL moved for an account relative to the fees, &c. received in the office of Commissioners of Bankrupts for the last three years. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER suggested that the papers would probably , be rather complicated, judging from the lengthened description •of them in the notice, it might be con venient if the honourable gentlemen would give notice of Iris motion respecting them. - Mr. O'CONNELL said hedid no: apprehend that the production of the papers would be attended with any difficulty, as they were merely in continuation of similar documents laid on the table of the house up to 1827. A report was brought up from the lords, announcing that their lordships had agreed to certain bills. Lord MIS lON presented a petition from the inhabitants oil Bury ht. Edmunds, praying for a revision of the criminal laws. j Mr. BULLhR p resented a petition tivm the inhabitants of a certain district in orksbire, respecting the renewal or the East India Charter. Mr. W. WHITMORE presented a petition from the same die. trice, praying for a free trade with China. THE WEST INDIA INTEREST. The Marquis coiCHAKlloipresen ied -- a — petition from eettain West India planters and merchants, complaining of distress. The noble lord suggested that a reduction of the duty upon coffee would be an easy and effectual source of relief, without producing any in. jury to the revenue. Mr. KEITH DOUGLAS gave notice that it was his inteii. tion, after the Easter recess, in conjunction with his noble friend, to bring under the consideration of the house the commercial dis tress of the West India colonies. and to refer their case to a cont. mittec of the house. He should move for such committee on idle 4th of May. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that on this occasion he could not avoid stating to his noble friend and his hon. friend that he had by no means left out of his view the difficulties of the interests which they represented, and it would be extremely satisfactory to him to be able to devise any measures which would afford them full and immediate relief. But in the reduction of taxation which he had proposed, with a view to the general interests of the country, he thought that those measures which he had aug. grated were the best calculated to promote the general advantage.— Taking all the circumstances of the country into consideration, he still thought that the mode which he had proposed was the best which could be devised in our present situation ; and although the reduction of taxation which was contemplated might not afford any immediate relief to the West India proprietors, yet any thing that tended to better the condition of the consumers of their produce must be attended with ultimate benefit to them. Mr. GORDON wished that seven or eight shillings were taken off the duty upon sugar. He was convinced that the increase of consumption would save the revenue from any loss. The petition was laid on the table. Mr. WODEHOUSE begged to ask the right hon. gentleman what course he meant to take with regard to the adjourned debate, and the other business before the house ? The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQID.R said he wished to go into the committee, in order to get a vote to meet the necessary expenses of the navy. The house would then resume, and be should be prepared to proceed with the adjourned debate. Mr. SPRING RICE moved for a return of the amount of spirits in the possession of the rectifying distillers of London on the 15th. arch.—Ordered. Sir 11. W. RIDLEY presented a petition from an engineer, stating that be had invented a machine for the lifting wale into barges, and discharging it from them, by which a reduction of three shillings a ehaldron might be effected in the price of cosh. The petitioner prayed for encouragement Sir ARCHIBALD CAMPBELL presented a petition fioni the wrporation of Glasgow, for the opening of the tide with China. Lord W. POWLETT presented a petition from certain lead mining districts in the county of York, complaining of the rapid Increase of the importation of lead from foreign ports, and said he hoped the case of the petitioners would attract the attention of his majesty's ministers to the subject, and induce them to propose a proportionate protecting duty on the import of foreign lead. Mr. BERRIES believed that protecting duties in cues like that of the petitioners inflicted a deep injury on trade generally. In at. tides of general use, and entering into the manufacture of other wrought materials, competition in the market should regulate alto. gether the price at which the public should be supplied. The petition was read and laid on the table. SUPPLY. On the motion of Sir (1. CLERK, the house went into a com mittee on the supply. In the committee a resolution was proposed by him, and agreed to, that a sum not exceeding 603,2001. should be voted to his ma jesty, to defray in part the expense of victualling certain of our na. val forces. . . . The house resumed, and the report was brought up, and ordered to be resumed on Monday next. On the motion of the CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER. it was agreed that the house, at its rising, should adjourn until Monday next. STATE OF THE NATION. The adjourned debate on this subject was then resumed. Colonel SIBTHORP took a review of several of the speeches which had already been uttered on this subject. He principally commented on the injurious effects produced on the public mind by the differences of opinion prevailing within those doors on the sub ject of the causes of the present generally.admitted distress. It must tend to excite doubt and dissatisfaction abroad. He knew that great distress was felt, and a loss each year on wool was sus. tained by the growers of Lincoln county only, to the extent of 200,0001. per annum, the tad worth 365. not fetching latterly more than 17s. Within these 15 years past the poor.rates there were really more than doubled ; yet the right hon. member for Liverpool had calmly assured them that agriculture was not altogether ruined. Very pleasant and satisfactory consolation truly ! It was admitted the distress was but too general, and, if they did not grant the tom. mittee of inquiry, the sooner they sent us all (as an hon. member once said) into the Thames together the better. (Laughter.) The noble duke, in the other house, had contended that timber bore its far usual prices: Now he would say he knew it did not carry one. half its former price; and when it was recollected there were five hundred thousand loads increase of imported timber last year to compete with our own ; this year he believed timber would bear no price at all. (A laugh, and hear.) The petitioners came to their table reluctantly ; but hunger was a sharp sauce, and forced their distress to find a tongue and speak out those losses and privations. He earnestly hoped the committee would be granted to the united prayers of so many petitioners. The hon. member concluded by reading a quotation frets Burke, as applicable to the subject, which was in these terms:—" A vigilant and jealous eye over execute"- or judicial magistracy, an anxious care of public money, an openness approaching towards facility to public complaint—these seem to be the true characteristics of a house of commons ; but an addressing houseof commons ands petitioning nation,a houseof commons fullot confidence when the nation is plunged in despair, in the utmost her. ninny with ministers, whom the people regard with the utmost ab horrence (I would rather use a milder word)—doubt ; who vote thanks when the public opinion calls upon then) for impeachment— who are to grant, when the general voice demands accounts—who in all disputes (rather differences) between the Feople and adminis tration, presume against the people—who punish their discord, but refuse even to inquire into the provocations of them, is an unnatural, a monstrous state of things in the constitution. Such an assembly may be a great, a wise. an awful senate, but it is not to any purpose a House of Commons." Col. DAVIES said he would take that opportunity of stating in an early stage, that as there was a strong party in that House in fa vour of mixing up the question of the currency with the question of distress, and who thought they carried nothing except they carried that question with them into the Committee, if the Committee were granted, that he believed they would he very much mistaken in cal. culating.they should succeed in carrying that object. For his part, he should not support the Committee unless it were a distinct ar- Tenement, that in the inquiry in the Committee the currency should not be allowed to form any part of the question. It was a fact that many of the Paisley weavers had gene to New York, and there in troduced that manufacture with success which used to be peculiar to this country. This he considered one of the worst effects of high taxation, that it drove the tuanufacturer out of the country. It would be with England as it was with Holland, if that evil were not remedied. An lion."gentlernan had proved last night, that the consumption of cotton had Increased; but he had omitted to men tion the state in which the artisan was placed all the while—a state of the gravest privation and wretchedness. Allusion had been made to the great quantity of timber import , d, but the efrtct of that was, to drive the British timber almost out of the market—there was little or no demand for it now. His gallant friend (Sir fi. Vivian) had proved, in a satisfactory manner, that the price in the foreign market had an influence on the price at hone. To that pro position he was ready to assert. but the inference which be drew fens it was, that we must pat the British produce on an equality with his foreign rival, which could only be done by a reducible taxes. The fact was, that at present we were newly ex cluded from the foreign ntarket. that our customers had not only ceased to deal with us. but had become our rivals in the markets of proposed Ameri the Chant and of the • ast. of tl.e itxcheqh respect to the reductioes by W Euer, he could tell :Ile right hon. gentleman that tie reduction of the beer duty war" not calculated to render that service to the poor which he seemed so co - . fidently to anticipate. Unhappily the condition of the poor in re_r of the counties was so miserable, that they never tasted beer at at their wages affording no more than would pay for their lodging ars: food. The way to benefit those poor people, and he did not ray se to court any popularly out of doors, would be to give them cheap bread. If they took off all the :messed taxes, and the taxes on sugar and tobacco, it would be tin essential service to the public . There were two modes of affording relief—a reduction of expen diture and a reduction of taxes. Ile was confident that a re ductioa of four millions of expenditure might be made, which would cover any deficiency created by the repeal of the malt tax. A pros petty tax of two per cent. would cover all the deficiency created by the repeal of the 11% 4 C4M11 taxes, and the reduction of the taxes upon sugar anti tobacco would not decrease, but add to the revenue pre ' dewed by those articles. The reduction of the tax upon sugar had proved this beyond dispute—it was followed by an increase from two to four millions. A reduction, he thought, of two shillings 4 pound on tobacco in England, and one shilling in Ireland, would answer every purpose. lie was anxious that the house should show a sympathy for the distresses of the people, but he felt that lie could nether vote for the motion, or the amendment. Mt. HUDSON GURNEY admitted that the distress wss great. He agreed as to the causes of this distress with the hoe. member for Essex, and after alluding to the speech of 11y. liuskisson, the effec t , of which he described as showing that the measure of his majesty ' + government were suLstantielly correct, he adverted to the state of the alteration of the currency. Never was there such a spoliation. I I i / ~I f {~ 1 ,