Star. — London, England, 1824-06-16 00:00:00

i 1 Lord Gtiroati rose at four o'clock, when the House adjourned during pleasure, and at five o'clock the Loma CHANCELLOR took his seat upon the Woolsack. The Earl of LIVERPOOL laid upon the table, by command of his Majesty, certain Papers relating to the Slave Trade. The Exchequer Bills Public Works Bill, the Highland Churches Bill, the British and Irish Fisheries Bill, the Salt Duties Repeal Bill, the See of Canterbury Bill, the Weights and Measures Bill, the Australian Company's Bill, and the Royal Irish Mining Com pany Bill, were severally read a third time, passed, and sent to the other !louse. Viscount M LV IL LE presented a Petit ion from the Commit tee of Lloyd's, against the Marine Insurance Bill, which was or dered to be on the table. Mr. Secretary Pus. and others, brought up the Stafford Peerage Restoration fill, as agreed to by the other House. The LORD ADVOCATE of SCOTLAND then brought up the Mar Peerage Bill, the Strathallan Peerage Restoration Bill, the Ken limit Peerage Restoration Bill, and the Nairn Peerage Restoration Bill, all which Bills had been agreed to by the other House. Mr. BUXTON, Mr. BROODEN, Sir J. GRAHAM, and others, brought up the Marine Company Insurance Bill, the New Churches Build ing Bill. the Dublin Port Duties Bill, and a great number of Pri vate Bills, which, together with those beforementioned, were re ceived, and the latter read a first time. The Earl of H A R ROW BY moved to suspend the recent Stand ing Order of the House in favour of a Bill, which stood exactly in the same predicament as the Irish Mining Company's Bill. [lt was understood that the Noble Earl alluded, although he did not mention it, to the Equitable Loan Bank Company Bill.] Lord KING observed, that as the new Standing Order had been already twice suspended, it would perhaps be better for their Lord ships to suspend it altogether for the present Session—(Laughter). The Marquis of DO 'W NSIII IRE here rose, amidst some con fusion. He wished to know from the Noble Earl opposite, for wha purpose the Standing Order was to be dispensed with, and in favour .4' what Bill? The LORD CHANCELLOR was of opinion that every Bill shohld be moved to he read a second time !More Noble Lords were competent to move their Lordships to suspend the Standing Orders of the House. Aft sr a few remarks from Lord HOLLAND, the conversation was dropped. The Duke of ATHOL presented a Petition from the La bnurers and Win kttten employed in the West Ir.dia Duck, in favour of the Equitable Loan Burk Company Bill. Petitions were ptieSert,d by the Earl of LAUDERDALE against the aboyernetitioned Bill, from Shadwell, from Poplar, from Lime house, from Obi and New lir:milord, from St. George's in the East, from Bow, from West Ham, from (7hrisichureb, Surrey, from St. Votnipb Without, from St. Mary's in Newington, from Fulham, from Kensington and Hammersmith, from St. Andrew's, in Hol born, front St. George's, in Hanover-square, lions St. Clement Danes, from St. Margaret's and St. John's, Westminster, and from St. John's, Clerkenwell. The Earl of DA It N LEY presented a Petition from certain In habitants '.l Deptford and Greenwich; in favour of the Equitable Loan Bill. • Lord REDESDA LE presented a Petition from the Corporation of the !loyal Exchange Assurance, against the Marine Insurance Company Bill, and praying to be heard by Counsel against it. - Earl GREY presented a Petition from Chester-k-Street, in the County of Durham, praying that his Majesty's Roman Catholic subjects might, at no distant period, be relieved from the disabilities and disqualifications to which they were at present liable by law.— The Petition was shortly read, received, and laid on the table. The Earl of HAROWSCKE rose, together with the Earl of Dann- Lev, the first wishing to move the second reading of a Bill, and the second to present a Petition to the House; but it was agreed, at the instance of the Lord Chancellor, and with the consent of their Lordships, than Petitions had in such cases the priority of Bills. The Earl of DARNLEY said, that the Petition which he had the honour to present to their Lordships was from the County of Monaghan, in Ireland. It was numerously signed ; and from the In-trot: i he hed received, though it was now very 1 ite in the Ses sion, he te!r is hie duty to call upon th, it Lordslii:A fur sonic opi nion or the strhject of it. lie had understood, but he might be mistaken, t a Noble Earl opposite (Liverpool) had declared, that from circonuAte.ces which had lately come ,to his knowledge, he was more than Leer determined to resist what was falsely ealied Catholic Emanclparion. This, he supposed, was to be attributed to the ex:raneous matter which had. unfortunately for Ireland, been introduced into some late Petitions on the subject. But the Peti tion he had now the honour to present to their Lordships, was not only quite divested of all offensive matter, but was respectful to their Lordships, and protested the feeling of undivided allegiance to his Majesty- In presenting this Petition, he did not mean to ground any motion upon it, hut he hoped that nothing would indis pose their Lordships, on account of trivial improprieties, to refuse a hearing to the Petition, the prayer of which was due to sound policy and true relii;:tm. lie felt it his duty to say this much, for mid this qutesion Wal settled, all their Lerdships could do for Ire lend went for nothing—it was merely as a drop in the ocean ; it Was a pet tel:t. fiction; aril lie should fcel it Iris duty for ever to press such stilik-cts upon their Lordships. Ireland could not much long, rbe governed by the mold only ; and, with this conviction on his mind, he wished the Petition to be read, as containing the substance of everything which be considered of importance. Lord CLI EDEN perfectly concurred in what his Noble Friend had so slily stated. The Earl of DARNLEY then moved that the Petition should be received and printed. The 11.:a!I o'f LIVERPOOL would certainly oppose the print ing of the Petition, on account cf the eviis which such a practice had created in another Douse.—The Petition was then read, re ceived, and ordered to lie on the table. Upon the motion of the Earl of LIVERPOOL; the New Churches Building (in populous districts) Bill was read a first time, and ordered for a second reading to-morrow. ~...e :c+~r- ~.. iilbstances,, hpill wishing that thp pre totaled, in •or€lsr to ve time for on-the soMecu . BO lONTSE thcinght tike Bill likely in the administration of jus prolixity in detail, and that it benefit of Trial by Jury. If oble Lords seemed to wish, were year to another, he doubted be carried at all. 'N was disposed' to acknow ledge with gratitude _ boon conferred by the present Bill: as also the benefits which Scotland had derived from the institution of the Commission for Inquiry. It was true, indeed, that the Bill had come before their Lordships rather late in the Session ; but how did it come before them? It came before them, not only under the auspices, but with the express recommenda tion of the most learned and competent men, in every sense, which England and Scotland could furnish ; and he was the more gratified, when he found that the pre sent Bill was literally a transcript of the Report made to their Lordships by such persons, a Report which had been unanimously signed with the consent of the Judges of the Courts in Scotland. In full persuasion of the benefits which were likely to be derived by Scotland from the measure; and with a desire that the Bill should pass as speedily as possible, in order to terminate the delays and quibbles of law, he was glad that its opera tion had been fixed for the commencement of the Sum mer Session. He was aware of the anxiety which was felt in Scotland for the success of the Bill, which owed much of its success to the expeiience and encourage ment of the Noble and Leal ned 1,0; d on the Woolsack, asngoing to prevent expenses and delay. It must he some satisfaction for their Lordships, that the passing of this Bill would facilitate their Appellatedulisdiction; and he believed that the Bill would be passed unani mously by the House. The LORD CHANCELLOR also gave the Bill his strenuous support. Lord REDESDALE recommended the Tlon , e to pass the Bill in the present Session. If it did not mass, it would seem the House were doubtful of the efficiency of such a measure. He was enabled to say, from cor respondence with persons on the law of Scotland, that the Bill did not go too far.—The Bill was lead a third time and passed. ' • - % ..."44 4 ..... s iit . . under all the cirenilbstance PARLIAMENTARY I /MVP EDINGS. seat Rill might be tutared _ Nek , more infortbation on - the si HOUSE OC:=PJW" 15 . Tile Duke of MONTRI This mottosjos Lord Gimes or the furtherance of Appe als to product more decorum t at ten n'elock.Vat N i di tast . tice in Scotland with less 1 " Eticitlvildifo il but judgment was deferred. led for, was beard out, was likely to extend the 1 .. Brown V. Maxwell," from the Court of Session, was reversed the measure, as some Nobl by the house. • • thus deferred from one Todd a. Hutchinson".was affirmea in part. much whether it would be gi Wallace v. Campbell" was afterwards b e ard in part, and or- dered to he proceeded with to-morrow. The Earl of ROSSLY; . —____ _ ____ _. r.... "'AMU Whon the House adjourned ledge with gratitude the b JUDICATURE OF SCOTLAND. Lord COLCHESTER moved the third reading of the Scotland Judicature Bill. Viscount MELVILLE hoped that the Bill might be amended at another time. The Earl of LIVERPOOL was decidedly of opinion that a greater boon never had been offered to the 1 eople of Scotland, than was proposed for their acceptance in the provisions of the present Bill. The measure had originated in a Commission issued from the Crown, the object of which was a full inquiry into the state of ju dicature in Scotland ; and that Commission was com posed of men the most eminent in both countries, who had no respect to party, but who were conversant with tie law of property, and also with the decisions of Courts of Equity. The members of this Commission were twenty-six in number, and had signed, not only unani mously, but spontaneously, that recommendation unich proposed to carry the present 13i11 into effect. The doors were not shut by this Bill against Wither reforms; but he must say no measure had ever been taken more advisedly, and it was calculated to do away 'with the greatest blot that still stained the whole system of the Scottish law. • The Duke of ATIIOL gave full c►edit to the Noble Earl for intending to benefit the Northein parts of the United Kingdom by the present Bill, but at the same time he apprehended the measure would go to establish an entirely new jurisdiction, and he feared that the next Session of Parliament would not go over without their Lordships being called upon to pass another Bill. It would more have coincided with the feeling of the people of Scotland, if the measure had been divided into two Bills, thus leaving an opening to such repre sentations and alterations as might be suggested. All he knew, was, that there existed a strong feeling in Scot land against too extended views on this subject, which 111 elect was supposed not likely to benefit that country. No man wished more than himself to advance the local mploVements of his native land ; but be could not, INstIRA NCE CoNIPA NI F. 3. The Earl of LT NI P.RICK ruse to move the second reading or a Bill to enable the St. Patrick Assurance Company in Ireland to sue and be sued by their Secretary. The Earl of LAUDERDALE expressed a hope that the Nob'e Load, in Committee on the Bill. would tdie care a capital should be secured, in order that the Public of Ireland might be protected. Lor REDESDA LE said the preamble of the Bin was defective. The partners in the concern were not sufficiently described. The LORD CHANCELLOR said, it was impossible, in many Bills brought to that (louse, to know who the partners were before a Bill passed; the whole of the partners supposed to stand before Parliament might be changed. Some alteration on that subject ought to he made. Ile should, in future, move in the Committer on such Bills, that all individuals who appeared as partners and pro prietors in a Bill, should remain so for a certain time after its passing. The Earl of LAUDERDALE said it often happened that per sons shifted the risk of a concern by selling their shares, and by the time the. Bill passed a new body of proprietors wet e created. Lord REDESDA LE stated an instance in which the Secretary of a concern was the only person in existence as a proprietor after the passing of the Bill. Alter a few observations from the Marquis of DOWNSIIIRE, the Bill was read a second time. EQVITABLE LOAN BILL. The Earl of HARDWICK E moved to discharge an order for hearing Counsel at the bar on the second reading of this Bill, in or der to oppose the principle of the measure. The lt:arl of LAUDERDALE opposed the motion.—The Bill was one, in his opinion, of the most objectionabl" character. The first provision of it was repulsive to every principle' of sound leftit lation, inasmuch as it called upon Parliament to make an exception in their favour, by releasing this Company from the effect of the Usury Laws. Ile was sure not one of the Peers in that House would allow any Company to be exempt from the Usury Laws.— The Bill was opposed by Petitions from persons who said it would be their ruin, and they requested to be heard by Counsel at the se• cum] reading of the BilL If their Lordships should resist that re-' quest, and proceed to the second reading, he was prepared with a Petition from the parties, praying to be heard before the Committee against the clauses of the Bill. The Karl of LIVERPOOL could not support the motion for hearing Counsel on the second reading. He agreed there was no pretence for exemption of the parties from the operation of the Usury Laws, but the Bill was brought in for a public object of material importance. Whether it would appear in the Committee what it purported to he was another question. He wished to go ta Committee upon the measure, and Counsel might be heard in that stage. lie thlught the House ought to agree to discharge the order for hearing Counsel then, and see what could be done in the Committee. _ _ The Earl of LAUDERDALE said, it was dangerous to decide that Petitioners could not he heard against the principle of a Bill. The LORD CII A NCELLOR considered it a private Bill. If it was not a public measure, the Petitioners ought to be beard at the Bar. The House then divided on the question, whether the Order for hearing Counsel should he discharged. The question was carried in the affirmative, and consequently Counsel were not beard. 'Me Earl of LAU DELI D:1 LE rose on the Order for the second reading of the 13111, repeated his objection, and opposed it. The LOUD CH ANCELLOR considered it one of the most objectionable Bilk ever brought into that House. It was an appli cation to alter the law for the benefit of one Company and the injury of many. If it came out of the Committee without amendment, there was lordly a sentence in the clause he should not move to reject. Lord Iib:DE:MA LE said, the Pawnbrokers were answer able to the law, and yet the house was called upon to say, a large Stock Company wiy.ht evade the law, and do what they might think proper. The Pawnbroker might be punished criminally for breach of the law, but how were they to punish a Company? If stolen goods were received, Pawnbrokers might be punished, but how could a Company he punished ? If Parliament should agree to the establi4iment of this vast Company upon such principles, the effect would he most injurious to the public interest. Ile called upon the Noble Earl to consider how far such a measure might af fect the principles of the Constitution? He wished the landed in terest to consider how far they might be injured. They might be trampled under feet, and become as nothing. 'rite Earl of WESTMORELAND considered the creation of this great Company extremely dangerous. It would be the esta blishinent of a monopoly destructive to trade. It appeared to him' quite impossible that any private individual could contend against such a Company. He should negative the second reading of the Bill. The House again divided on the second reading— Ayes 26 Noes 17 Majority for the second reading - --9 The Bill was accordingly read the second time, and ordered to be committed on Friday.—The House adjourned. HOUSE OF COMMONS. The Smarms took the Chair at Four o'Clock. Mr. WODEHOUSE presented a Petition from the Merchants and others of Norwich, praying for the repeal of the Duties on Coals carried coastwise.—Ordered to lie on the table. Mr. BROGDEN brought up the Report of the Superannuation Fund Bill, which, after a few words from Mr. Mores: in opposi tion to the Bill, and from Mr. BUXTON in support of it, was read, and the Bill was ordered to be read a third time to-morrow. The LORD-ADVOCATE brought up the Reports of the At tainders Reversal Bills. The Bills were read a third time and passed. GOVERNMENT CLAIMS. Sir JAMES MACKINTOSH presented a Petition from Robert Bell, which might be said to be addressed to the lenity of the Secretary at War through that House. In 1798, the Petitioner became surety for a person named Workman, appointed Paymaster to the Wallace Fencibles, and in 1800, they were disbanded. The ac counts were handed to the proper authorities, and till ~- • Tr - = • t„ falai at kocilreAks ago, nothing witthaikagtottrdeik ciency. Batik* this delay, thtpafly might have been' discovered.: He was long itfur . anis • about London. There certainly was no statute of limitations applicable to the public accounts, but here was proof that the Government regulationi as to these matters- might be productive of great hardship. He admitted that the claim was legal, but still, under all the hardships of the case, he trusted that the House would evince those feel , ings which would induce the Noble Secretary at War ' to abstain from enforcing the claims.—Petition read. Lord PALMERSTON thought that this case was not one of the hardship described by the Honourable Mern ber.—But for the voluntary sureties of the Petitioner and another, Workman never would have been en trusted with the public money. In 1808, it was found that there was a debt due from the Paymaster; that was announced to the agent, and the addresses of the sureties were required. In consequence of the ac cumulation of business, the account was neglected ; and soon after he came into office, this was one of the arrears which he deemed it right to promote towards adjudica tion. The account was gone over again, and upwards of 10001. deducted from it. There was a balance of 1601. and the Petitioner was called on for his moiety. The Petitioner had been most liberally dealt with, and by the revision of the accounts, he had been benefitted ; and so far from injustice, as notice had been given in 1818, perhaps the more just course would be to require interest for the public money which had been so long kept back. Mr. HUME said, that the conduct in this case was most harsh. If the Government chose to neglect the accounts till the leading parties were dead, they ought to lose their claims. This was one of the results of the Noblo Lord's inquisitorial office of arrears, which was ipping up accounts of twenty or thirty years standing, and wht.n all the parties, or chief patties, were dead. I iat oilice cost the country 12,0001. or 15,0001. a year; hut it was such an office of oppression that it ought horn this moment to cease. Such long standing ac counts were oporessively enforced when they were en forced against sureties. It was inflicting on them an in tax.—Petition ordered to lie on the table. SLAVE TRADE. Mr. Secretary CANNING presented Papers, by command of Lis M.ii,•sty, consistiog of correspon.knce relative to the Slave Trade. Mt. I 1 LOUC lIA M remarked, that the Slave Trade was carried on by thz vessels and ports of France almost as zealously as before, the Govi•rnment of France pretended to he anxious to promote the Llichtion of the Slav:: 'rude—(M:A - , hear). • Mr. Secretary CANNS:4O made no remark in reply. Conies pothletice ordered to be printed. INDEPENDENCE OF THE SnUTH AMERICAN STATES. J.-k NIES MACKINTOSH said, he had now to pre:.ent to the House a Petition, signed by 117 Mer chants of tae City of London, at the head of whom were Baling, Brothers, and Co. Sir John Lubbock, Messrs.G olckch midt and Co. Benjamin Shaw, the Chair man at Lloyd's, and others equally respectable, on the subject of the late Colonies of South America. Had it been his wi,h to have brought the subject of the South American States fully under discussion, he might have scleeed a more convenient opportunity; but he bad no such ssish, nor had the Petitioners. He, how ever, felt convinced, that the country would de sire to have some opinion given by Government on this subject, previous to the separation of Parliament. The petitioners now a4zed for the immediate recogni tion of the independence of such States as had, ►n tact, established that independence. There was one word in this request to which lie objected ; he wished to impute no censure to the Gore' innent, neither did he wish to tie then) down, in their proceedings, to time; and for this reason he must object to the word immediately which had been introduced into the Petition. He re gretted al-o that the Petitioners should have adopted the word recognition, inasmuch as it was a word which admitted of such different construction when used by diffel eta parties. If used by the Government on which the newly established independent States had formerly &Tended, it .went to insure to these States the full and unrestrained right to the independence thus tecognized ; but such was not the case as re- garded a State on which they had formerly had no dependence, and who had no power over them. Such was our case ; e had no more to chi with the recogni tion of South A mei ican independence, than we had with the independence of any part of France or Russia. Ile would now call the attention of the House to those States of Europe who had recognized the principles for which he had contended. There was, in the first place, the memorable case of Holland. After a fierce struggle of fifteen years, that Republic succeeded, in 1581, in emanci-pating itself from the dominion of Spain, and after the murder of that incomparable person who had laid the foundation of its greatness alike with his own. And in order to mar k the determined purpose of Spain, she perpetuated this foul and abominable deed by ennobling the family of the assassin. In the year 1581 Spain declared the independence of that illustrious Com monwealth ; but it was not till January, 1648, at the Treaty of Westphalia, that she was prevailed upon to recognize its independence. Did the House believe that Europe looked quietly on; that it chose to forego the advantages of an amicable intercourse with thisßepublic; or that it chose to lose the means of adjusting the differ ences which might arise in that State?—Notwith standing that the Crown of Spain had not yet ac knowledged the independence of Holland, all the States of Europe had not only sent ambassadors to the Hague, but had entered into a league offensive and defensive; all except a branch of the German Empire that was connected with the House of Spain. England—not indeed during the time that England was at war with Spain, but after she had made peace with her— did, in the Treaty of 1604, refuse to relinquish or to withdraw her connections from Holland, at that very time when the Marquis of Spinola, one of the greatest Commanders then in Europe, was carrying on the war in behalf of Spain, and was denouncing the people 64 as rebels to the King his Master."— The next instance was as remarkable as the other. In the year 1640, Portugal adopted principles similar to those of the illustrious Republic, threw off its allegiance to the yoke of Spain, and placed the Duke of Braganza on the Throne. In 1642, diplomatic relations were established between England and Portugal, although Spain did not acknowledge the independence of its neighbour till forty years afterwards. But the most apt illustration was to be found in the condust of foreign Powers towards this country, when Cromwell held the Protectorate. Ministers from all the European States were sent to England, and concluded uleague offensive and defensive with her, thereby acknowledging her as a part of the Federal Alliance. No objection was made against this league after the Restoration; sit was ac knowledged to be binding. by Charles H. and his Coun cillors, and on this ground, because it brought no of fence to other persons, but was for the advantage of the people of the States who had acceded to it. Contrast. this feeling . with the resentment and indignati o n o f our ancestors, in the reign of James 11. at the conduct of `Louis XIV. The French King had no interest of his sub. jects in view when he entered into the league—m earl, It was a great insult to them, as he could give no se . cdrity to any subject who might carry on an intercourse with this country—(Hear). He knew that the case q the interposition by France with North America wo u ld be referred to by those who touched upon the surfacerf things. But France did not conCtne herself to a treaty of amity ; under the guise of her Plenipotentiary, s h e concluded an alliance offensive and defensive. Her its. tentions on this point are clearly developed in the Al e . moirs of M. Birullie, lately published, who was G o , vernor of Martinique, in 1688. He says, that one part of his instructions for his government in North Ante. rica, was to watch the progress of disaffection, and t o form secret connections with the rebels—(Hear). Notv this was at a time of profound peace, and there nothing which could justify so treacherous an act. 'Ri le was then no resemblance between the two cases. Piat, cc had no object to serve by a mere diplomatic intetcrinst; she wished to league herself with the revolted subjec t of Great Britain. He called the Americans rev° ;c.i subjects" only because they were at war then a this country, and from no wish to give ofreilce— They were allied by blood to us, and their principles and conduct had rendered them worthy of such a connectio n . The Honourable and Learned Member then proceeds! to advert to, and comment on, the papers which hal been laid before the House on the subject of Said America; and he patticul:trly commented on the Note of Sir Charles Stuart, of the 3d March, 1821, and th e opinion of the Right Honnurable Secretary for Foreiu; Affairs, in which all interference with the dispute be tween Spain and her colonies was strongly deprecated ; and it was declared by us that any attempt on the part of Fiance to interfere by force in the dispute would he the signal for our immediately recognizing their nide sendtmce; at the same time we claimed, not only kr ourselves, but for all the world, the right of free com mercial intercourse with those States. In connection with these declarations, he might refer to the observations in the Speech of the Preident of the United State, which were an honour to his country and to human na ture. The two nations uttered the same sentiments ; they were united in conduct , as writ as in bleed, both boldly declaring their resolution to guard the South I American States from the fangs of the Holy Alliance (Hear) —from that beast of prey which strove to extend its - crushing and withering influence over them as it had already done over the Continent of Europe—(Cheers).-- It was English liberty in America, and E'iglish liberty in Europe that had leagued to protect the itidepe:h!enc e of these countries—(Cheers). But although he t:.tis applauded the excellent spirit which breathed in the'e papers, he would say, that no Minister in England dared to connive at the principles of the Holy Alliance ; and if such a bigot or a monster could have been found, the people of England would instantly have hut led Kira from his seat with the disgrace and ignominy which I;e merited—(Cheers). The rumours, which last came ft (%:3 intelligent persons, stated that Spain wished to consider the question of recognition along with the flien,llF Powers of Europe, and that they bad agreed to the call. But he had heard also, that England was still England, and that she had refused to accede to the wishes or to entertain the pi inciples of this Holy, o r , h e should rather say, this Unholy Alliance— (Cries of Hear, hear).--lA'culd to Gorr that she had adopted these p; inciples ten Yeats ago! Would to Gun that he:. conduct at Verona had not led to results so deplorable! —(Cheers)—for as long as Spain remains a peonies:! of France, or as long as a French army occupies her territories, so long will it be considered that every armament which - leaves the port of Spain is in reality one of French composition—(Cries of Hear, hear). — He would throw away with disdain any reference to the dictates of a Holy or Unholy Alliance. Commit sinners had arrived in South America, and been re ceived with every mark of kindness and courtesy; and he could wish that some calm consideration should be had of the subject before the end of the Session. The South American States might either be regarded as one united body, or a number of independent Repub lics. They might be regarded, in the former point of view, as they were united against Spain. The extent of that country was from California to Cape Horn, and in all that vast track there were only a few garrisons in the possession of Spain. In Colombia, independence had been completely established; in Buenos Ayres there was no more the appearance of a Spanish soldier than there was of a Jacobin in Great Britain. The independ ence of Chili seemed equally well established. As one Body, Spain had no chance against that vast track of territory ; and, taken as individual States, their indepen dence ought to be recognized,beeause they had achieved it by force of arms. But another element was demand eel, that of tranquillity, in the new Government. It would seem then that there was one law for Europe, and another for America. We had acknowledged Spain, although it was not tranquil and settled—(Hear, hear)—for tranquillity could never be its lot as long as it was occupied by a French army—even although we had been told in the House that it was hu manity not to interfere in the expulsion of this force, as, after it had retired, the opposing factions would cut eath other's throats—(Hear, hear, hear). — But it would appear that what in this country is meant by amicable relations is, when applied to the infant States of Atherieta, to have a totally different meaning. He should wish to know from the Right Hon. Gentle man what was the exact state of tranquillity which was to precede the recognition of independence? Why were Consuls sent out ? Of what use were the Commissioners? If they were dispatched from this country in order to adjust the complaints of English subjects, would not the same reasons apply equally strong for the appointment of Ambassadors? The ingenuity of the Right Honourable Gentleman might frame a dip tinction between the two officers, but be .(Sir James) ' should think that Ambassadors were less necessary ' in a well-ordered thin in an unsettled country. It was not necessary for him to dwell on the importance of the measure as it respected the trade with this coun try. The extent of that trade rendered it necessary that there should not only be Consuls, but higher diplomatic Ministers. There were at least one hundred Englisit houses of trade in various parts of South America; and in the petition which had been presented fi om the mer chants of Liverpool, it would be seen that the exports in 1822 amounted in value to 3,800,0001. while those in 1823 were 5,600,0001. so that there was an increase of 1,100,0001, in the course of one year. From the same paper we learnt that the exports of cotton goods from Liverpool to South Amesica.were more valuable.tilan those to North America, the former amounting in value to 1,100,0001. s. bile the latter did not exceed 1,000, 00 C 1. In illustration of his argument he might also refer cc • 4.. gmitit and indignation . of our F James 11. at the conduct of Bing had no interest of his sub. :ered into the league—(Henr), hem, as he could give no se . might carry on an intercourse 1. He knew that the case q re with North America wo u ld ho touched upon the surface cf not con Cine herself to a treaty e of her Plenipotentiary, s h e msive and defensive. Her its. clearly developed in the Al e . ely published, who was G o . 1688. He says, that one part government in North Ante. ogress of disaffection, and t o vith the rebels—(Hear). Now >found peace, and there fy so treacherous an act. 'Ri le between the two cases. Frat,c c a mere diplomatic intetccusse; ;elf with the revolted subjecls lied the Americans revo';cl they were at war then %ki t h no wish to give ofreoce...— i to us, and their principle s and m worthy of such a connectio n . trned Member then proceeded lent on, the papers which hal use on the subject of South 11:irly commented on the Note the 3d March, 1821, and th e inurable Secretary for Foreign lference with the dispute Ee- rier was strongly deprecated ; s that any attempt on the pin force in the dispute would he diately recognizing their inde. time we claimed, not only fcr e world, the right of free com. those States. In connection might refer to the observations • • •