Star. — London, England, 1828-05-07 00:00:00

mss co who babikuated•hinvelf to poaching, naturally be lanteallfiliarmed with a disrespect for his country , a disregard for . he laws, and with midnight depreJations, .~~ .: , orionight and was often wont. to make extensive havoc id disturb ing the peaciraf society ; in order to prove which, he would instance the case ,of the two adjoining counties of Bedfordshire and Huntingdonshire, the former of which contained a population of 93,C00, and the latter of 53,800; he found that Bedfordshire produced six times the amount of general crimes, and three times the ' amount of *poaching of-the other county, which afforded an instance of the increase of other crimes working their way by. means of this. He wished to state one other fatt r o t at short . time ago, there was a great quan titity of ba4 coin circulated through the country,which caused many of the most active and intelligent Magis trates to endeavour by every means to find out whence the origin of so great a circulation arose ; and it was at last discovered, that the whole of the money had been taken by poachers from persons engaged in distributing it, In order to circulate it through the country ; for his own part, he knew of no species of crime so dove tailed into another as that of poaching. The present anode of bringing sthh offenders w justice, appeared to him very defective ; he found that almost every attempt at justice was counteracted, either by prejudicing the Judge and Jury, or by some other unfair means. Such .a state of things he thought could not exist ; it reminded him of the wotds of a beautiful author, who described penalty and crime running a race; the one putsuing the other until penalty, nut being able to overtake its rival, crime turns round, and attacks its breathless pur suer. In fact, he was convinced that mow alteration must be made, and considering that the Bill introduced . by his Noble Friend 'zooid, in its Nierttion, be attended with general benefit, he , was anxious to give it all the sopport in his pow r. Earl M ALM ESBURY replidd. With respect to the sale of game, venison wasost- prevent as saleable as any other descill'tion of meat.. , He .cor few d he was dis-' appointed in ore" itticular. The Bill did not extend to the causes of the. numerous -transgressions against the Game Laws. It did not mention the numerous unemployed agricultural populati.m, the bonded corn, Or the ninety Millions of foreign wcol which were im ported. The.coasequence of. -which was, that one man could not get employment for five who formerly did. The Marquis of LANSDOWN considered that no practice could he more injurious than that of paying wages from the poor rates. if their Lordships would compare the six counties in which this was practised, with any other six counties, they would find that clime wa, 80 per cent, greater there than in all England. The Marquis of SALISBURY would only trouble the House for moment. He thought that legalising the sale of game would provide the mai ket, without crime, Which must be provided at all events. He stated his conviction that it would do no harm, nor would it do any good, but to make the laws more popular. He thought his Noble Friend ought to suffer the Report to be brought up without opposition, and he might pro pose or object to what clauses he thought proper. Lord WHARNCLIFFE said, that although . his No ble Fr ieud had united with bim, he seemed rather afraid of connecting himself tol closely; he thought he wai anxious to slip the collar. It was b_tter Isar Isionto, m 'try him than remain single all his life—(Laughter) Lord GODERICH rose in support of the Bill. Not si:bstanding what had been said of the site of game, he had reason to know that a great yr rritity-of game was liublicly sold. 0 e individual had last ye4r sold 19000 head of game. He appeale.l to their Lor•khips whethet it was fit to maintai,i a law which it A..% ac knowledged could never be eviied into effect ? Ile thotkaht vi hen laws sere suffered to exit which could' not be suppo•ted, it must necessaril ten t lei destroy :aspect fur the law in general. He woold, however, get hid of this law even if the case. were.more ; doubtful. He considered, the claui-es of his /sL)ble Fh ie hd Mould have the effect of diminishing poaching, by giving- a pester number of pers-ns an interest in suppressing it. He thought the Noble Lord (Malmesbury) was in error in the ceases which produced the crime ;for there wee some in the South of England who resorted to poach ing from want of employmeot. In t! e part of the country in which there was the gre4test number of poachers, they were of a very different class—princi pally manufacturers, who earned from eighteen shil lings to twenty shillings a week. It was consequently not liana poverty they had recourse to it, but partly from a lawless disposition, and partly from a less cul• pable inclination for sport. He concurred in what his Noble Friend had said of the moral evil which existe 1, and he thought it was absolutely necessary to take some sionswes to get rid of this crying evil. : The House then divided on the question whether the Repot. , shot:Itl • he received— Contents • . Non-contents . • • • . . . 54 . 'Majority When we were re.admitttd, we found that an amendo,ent was put and carried, on the motion of the Marquis of SA:Actium-, that the words " from whom, and upon what day the game was pur chased," should be introduced into one of the clauses. It was then curled that the Bill .la.nald be engrossed and read a thirst time on Monday neat. NIGHT POACHING. • Lord WHARNCLIFFE moved the Oder of the Day for referring the Bill for•the prevention of Night Poaching to a Committee. He should only detain tl:eir Lordships by exphining his views for purposing ;his 1311 1 , and altering the present laws. By the Act which was entitled Bankes's Act, any person who was found out at night with arms in his hands, for the purpose of poaching. was liable to be brought before a Jury, tried for a misdemeanour, and, if convicted, transported for seven years. The consequence was, th4t there was great difficulty in convicting, as the Jury were very justly unwilling to impose so heavy a punishment for what might in most cases be a comparatively trivial offence. A person was likewise subject to the same punishment for the first transgession, as one , who was an old ot• lender. What his Bill proposed Was, that any person who was found armed at night y should for the first of. fence be brought before a Nlagl‘trate, and be confined for three months, and be obligedso find security for his good behaviour for a year; for t e recond, ti at he should be confined six mond% aad find security for two /ears ; and on the repetitiorvit the crime, that he should be liable to be tried for a Oichipeanoor, and trans 'ported for seven years. It m t, rrhaps, be objected that in the southern pafts of En acid, it would be diffi cult to procure security. He' kne • lw from his twn ts perience. that in the North nothing Pas more easy, and they bhd no difficulty in finding a relative or friend for that purpose. Indeed he thought is .very natural that as the greater nashber of poachers were young men, tufse l aiswed on the occupation without intending any porriti when-they found that their friends were to be in tnlysif they repeated it, they would abandon ht that when an individual bad been guilty of thus:rime fee &third time, there was no jury that could fallow reluctancein convicting him. The Bill likewise wearrlied that *lll4llllishellat commission - 1g the crime, $ ( 1 she found with arms should use dos those who attempted to apprehend him, thator, haendsbtorualndsptertliedabfloertosegbeencanyeviairstd ..e i : n o d f isd mo e r rh e ean than three person' acted conjointly, that they should be con sidered gt!ilty of felony said transported for font teen years. He Was not part i c ular as to the number, per haps it might be better to make it five than three. His object was to put down those who assembled in gangs, and who spread so much alarm through the country, that all the re,ident Gentlemen were obliged to aban don it. The Noble Lord concluded by saying, that he had no wish to pies; his Bill upon Vie House. merely wished to have the opinions of more eminent persons. who were. best capable of giving an opiniqo on the subject, and he should leave the matter to the dis cretion of their Lordships. The Marquis of SALISBURY agreed with his No ble Ft lend that a man should not be punished so se verely for the first offence as for a repetition of the crime. He thought, however, that the Bill carried the di-tinction too far. • He believed that the security of which his Noble Friend had spokes, could not be pro duced in the southern counties. He should propose (though not at present) that the first commitment should be six months, the second.a year, and the third . he was willing should be as it a t p resent was. His Noble Friend had 'proposed that the offender should, have his choice of Courts; for his own• part,. he did not e see why Such an indulgence should be extended to his crime in preference. to any other. The next to which i he should allude was, the number of persons that should be collet ed to constitute a felony ; bethought two were as likely to commit an nut elate or four, andi more frequently . He shoul d, therefore, move thattwet be the number instead-cif three. He believed that One, thing which had - a great effect. ib Ineresisittg , die crime of co aching, vas the pleasstre Of - she clatuttire.:-and that of course was not exp . crienced alone=lei flout w partner to :elate the dangers tn. Thoe who entered into it from distress, were certainly not so guilt?, and the law should make some distinction. The Earl of CARNA RVON. did not . .agree with the Noble Lord that the penalties for th e first offeaCeswere too small. He likewise considered that it would not be so difficult to find security as the Noble Lord seemed to appr, bend. If security was given, nothing would he lost by letting off the offender in a shorter time; and if it could not be found, they would or course have the same punishment as before. He thought any additional severities would have the effect of rendering the law absolutely intolerable. He had, however, anrther ob ject in view. He thought it w; uld be better for a young man to be obliged to serve the King than to re main so many months in gaol. He knew that man). connected wi - h the army had an objection to,admo culprits into the ranks; but he did not think those ob jections held good with regard to poachers, as, in the commitment at least, the same degree of turpitude was not connected with this as with other crin.es. This were in general young wen of spirit wh embarked in 'the occupation, from a dislike to labour, and a habit of roving; and certainly there were many who were unfit for ploughmen. and won d make vet y good soldiers. This, he thought. could not take from the'character of the army, while it would prevent those young men from going back lions gaol, and then, liorn• want of occupation or other causes, engaging, I,e; haps, in much . worse practices. With tegard to.the Noble Lotd's pro- posal of inflicting the more severe penalty on those who went out together to the number of two, poachers did not go out in that number for the purpose of resistance.' but of c.tnvetrience—oni to :are y the gun, and the othe . the bag to tecrive the game. Indeed, he (P , r1.1 Car [Baryon) had known of tew instances in which they had l aved resistance or used their arms ag ainst thoie who • ,11rtIlt to appreaend ti em. If, however, more than 6:6 *associated, it might. be hassnable to suppose that•it was their in•ention to resist. He hoped their Lordships would not impose any unnecessary severities, as, even if it had not the effect of preventing the Bill Irons ps,si pg. it would bier the effect it lender t u g it moSt unpopular Lord TENTERDEN [pop,' t the omission of the word "poaching" in rule of the clause. of the Bill. IL hid often, he sai.l, heard the wo. d fr oni the lips of Noble Lords in that ; but he never saw it . in an Act of Parliament, and he saw no reason for introducing it as a term in legal language, especial) , as the clause went on to siy, " er unless f idly destroying game." Lord WHARNCLIFVE said he had no objection to the omission of the word 4- poaching." It had been ginally in a Bill brought into the other House of Par !lament some years back, under the idea that the Ma gistrates at Quaster Sessions would ftel *difficulty in, acting upon-the Brit without that term. He_mustcon fess, hot. ever, that he should like to seethe term is an, Act of Pirliameot, that p aching night be better un der stood throughout the country as a criminal offence. He did not agree with the Noble Lord opposite (;he Marquis of Sal chary) that the distinction in punish ment between those win) went out poaching in numbers, end those who wait out singly, or by twos, was not material. Lord DACRE thought a great distinction ought to be observed between those who resi iced with violence their apprehension, and those who sub lilted to be quietly taken. After a few words from the Marquis of SA LISBURT, Lord CAR. NA IRON. and Lord TIINTINDRS, the period of punishment on the. tread mill, and fur sureties to be given, was altered front six to three months, . • Some yertroi Amendments were then adopted, which were e*.' tiered to berlated. • . Mutant orseamicurszatiam aux. The rumination. of witneues was renewed, and lasted. until Tarr w'Cuses, when their Lordships adjourned. THE WOOL TRADE. • The Committee of the !louse of Lords for inquiring into the Sao of the Wool Trade, consi.ts of the followipg Nlenilsers— The Lord President Earl Slotastisope tnid Nspier , The LordPrivi Seal Earl Dvlaw.ur Lord Auckland Duke of Wellington Earl of Nialassbury Lord Retleitlale Duke of Richmond Earl of Russlyn Lord Lauderdale Marquis of Lansdosin Earl of Harettrood Lord Beller Marquis of Sslislsory Vie count Peden* Lord. Wharneliffe Earl of Wincheises Lord Dacre Lord Wallace HOUSE OF COMMONS. • Sir G. HILL moved " That Mr. Secretary Hoskissoo, the Cbsncellor of the Exchequer, Mr. Grant, and all the Members of Parliament tsr Ireland, be added to the Committee on the Hiber nian Joint Stock Company Bill." Mr. Gaon, Mr. S. Mee, and Sir J. NeWroar opposed the motion ; which, after ti few words in support of It from Mr. Cut sum was withdrawn without a division. Lord OX MA NTOWN presented a Petition from Edenderry, in Ireland, in favour of concession to the Roman Catholics. Singlar Petitions were presented by Ccilonel B an, front the Roman Catholics of WSeery, Geashall, and several other Parishes in the King'. County; by Sir G. Romano, from the Unitarians , of Northarageorabire.• Petitions against concession were presented f ro m Stigo, by Mr. S. Coors% ; by Mr. Sums, from Kingston upon- Hull ; by Sir F.r.uta Hatton- from Sa ff ron Walden; by Mr. Hater DAVI., from St. Paul's; gristol; by Sir J. Waotreacav, front a Congregation of Calvinistic hktbodists. Mr. SYKUS presented a Petition from the Directors and Pro ' prietors of the York Insurance Company against the duty on Fire insurances. The same Hon. Member; on the part of Mr. J. Surtu. presented a Petition r m the King's County, praying that the laws .respeeting the poor m hubs maindlated lingland and Ireland. Lord MILTONp Ymatted four Petitions front the West Uiding ,of Yorkshire, against ) * Ton.istioo Foreign. Wool. • • CATHOLIC CLAIMS. Pt pions , praying hat no further toneessions might be granted to the Catholics were presented by Sir KK. &sanest,' I. from the I Clergy of the il i rchdcaconry of Canterbury ; front the inhabitant, of Margate, Past Pechhent, WretboUrne% W,st Mailing; AdJington; and above twenty ?tiler places id - Kent ;by Mr. Hanka% from th. • Inks %gums* of Torrington . and' Calbantpten. in _Devonshire; a't. by Lord, Commos, from the Inhabitants of Winslow. l'ellti , ms Iv. favour of the Catholic Claims were presented by Mr. S. WOUTIAT `frog Roman Catholics inhabiting various parishes in the county of Yofi;--by Sir M. W. Hinter, from Roman Catholcs psdialses in the County of Northumberland ; by Mr. M . Fisiouseitts., from the Roman Catholics of the County of Kerry ; by Lord ,STOART, from the Horn= Catholic Inhabitants of the County : Monmouth t - by Mr. Wuntassa, from the Roman Cathoks,in the , County of Monaghan; by Lord Mourns!, front thc.ifootan. Catholic Inhabitants of blotpeth, and other plaes in Northtinshetland; by Mr. Dawson, from the Itoinan Catholits of Ty rone . ,Vicklow, and Wexford ; by Mr. J.. Woos, from Unitarians residengliepr 'Wigan ; and by Lord NJOUNTCHAiLLS; Erdal the itomin Catholics of Donegal, Enniskillen, &c. On the motion of Mr. Aldermin.WOOD, Retbrns were ordered to be laid before the House of the numbe oa f . quarters of Malt mu ' tually interchanged "non& England, Irela, and Scotland, for the last five years. : On.the.mo.doneffßir . lf. W. Mace:, an Account was ordered . to be laid before the House of the Duties and Drawbacks on Glass for the last three year • Mri.DlCKElSSON,presented a Petition front certain Manu facturers in the county tifSonierset, praying that no further duty might be imposed on thiittiphitation of Foreigrf Wool. Mr. DAWSON presented the Mitcellaneous Estimates, which were ordered to be printed. belloioo i i n b g l e t h A . d t d b r graciously pleased to order that...there be laid before the Ilnuse.a dared tthoeee would " wls be presented fMr to . iki bis kil M itY at T st i y7 p h ra an y Copy of the Dispatch from the Colonial Olice to. Sir Ralph Wood. but ne, Governor of Trinidad, dated i 7th.of April, Sir B. MARTIN, and other Honourable Members, presented Petitions from various Frietully-Ssiefeties, against the Friendly Society Bill.—Referred to the CtimlTtittleon the Bill. • CA2.I.AnA.? Mr. WILMOT-HORTON rose to present a Petition from certain Presbyterian Secedeat in Canada, respect/ ing.grants of land, in doing whiChhe said he wished take the present opportunity' of addressing to the House alew . velsrds of explanation; which, as it is !elated to a matter purely .personal,*he should feet bound to.com press within as narrow a compass as pot Able. He had heard that some of the , obleraarions Which be let fall on A late occasion, when speaking of the Uttion 801 l of 1822, were supposed to refer to Mr. Ellice, the late Member for Coventry, in a manner considered to be disrespectful towards that Gentleman. Certainly, no language of his could, with truth or justice, be supposed to rater to Mr. Ellice—at least, of this he felt perfect l y s; i fi ed,that nothing of the strong language into which, during the warmth ofaiebate, he might have been be- 1 ;rayed, was intended to bear, the slightest allusion to the character or condUct of r. Ellice. Sir J. MACINTOSH-i—As the explanation given by the Right Hun. Gentlematihadreferesice to an occasion, in' which I:e (Sir J. Macintosh) was somewhat con cerned, he wished to know whether the strong language in question was applied to him er to any other petson? Mr.W. HORTON could assure the Right HonsGerr tleman opposite ? very distinctly, that no language of li s was at any time or could be meant disrespectfully awards him (S:r J Macintosh); and I (continued the Right Hon. Mumber) went to him on the occatiosi re felted to, .and told him that if 1 e chose I was ptrlec'ly willing 4: the moment to qualify what I had said.. My pinion always has Leen th st this House is not the ( slice for strong language--(Hear, hear.) If occa sions arise demo• ding such, there are . abundant op portunities Out of • d sass without occ , :pying the. at t.ntion of this Hone in a manner sn unpiefitable.— However, since it has been supposed that language of mine bri:e upon the chin. itter and Conduct of Hrn. Me:Mae: s in a manner quite oi/smile to *bat !afro us'ir., real iutentions, I feel Ical:ed upon to enter into some. , what a more detailed tell motion than •would •under ' Jitrerent cireueristantes be at all necessary ; and -before entering on it I lie it due, in justice to the Right Hots. Gentleman opposite, so declare my present Csairkticao, that one of the phiSoes used by me on that occasi n was quite inapposite-1 mean in the illn'sion I nrade to the Union 13:11. What l complained of was 'his, that 1 had had full reason to suppose.that the Right lion. man opposite would have given his atippoit to .he Un on 8.11. Now, that shOpott,Aoming from him as a C6nsti roof aial Lawy and an iodepead ni M nraer i,f tb:s' Rause, saacoosidiiable value; ah.l I reek stied iii.cos it areal Jingly: •Up to the Very Lour at' welch it .was bstiught lora ard I had every reason to believe he would have supported the Bill. My propositirn is t is, that up to the very hour at staid] he stood 'forwai sl to cast censure upon those by whom the Bill was intreduced, he had given us reason to suppo e that we should have the advantige'of his support. It was cf this that 1 com plainedit was under this inaoression that I all along laboured. Nair, if the fact turn out to be that besti rs, is there was some ground for this persuasion on my pact, then, of course, 1 can have nothing' to explain or qualify. If it turn out that lam in error, I shall be most happy to acknowledge my mistake—more than a misapprehension it cannot be in any quarter. - Sir J. MACINTOSH said, that he was bound is justice to admit, that his Right Honourable Fiiend had made the explanation on Fs iday night, to which he had just adverted. • lie certainly acknowledged that he was (r e posed to the Bill of 1822. His Honourable Friend, then the Member for Coventry, who, he was, sure, was AS honest in his support .cf the Bill as he (Sir James Macintosh) was in his hostility to it, had several times, bo:h when they were together alone, and when other Hon:aural:le-Gentlemen were present, endeavoured to dissuade 'him (Sir J .mes Macinto,h) (ram opposing the Bill. In the course of th 'se in ' erviews and dis .cussions, he was •arxious to soften his resistance to his Honourable Friend's wish by every possible cour tesy of matiner; determining, at the same time, to adhere firmly to his own opinion. In justice to his Honourable Friend'(Mr; E:lice), he must declare that he knew that Hon. Gentleman was as incapable of making an intentional• mistake, as be (Sir James Macintosh) was of receding from any determination founded on wh the conceived to be principle; and he rather be. l'eved, therefore, that his Hon. Friend . had been led to make the representations which he had made to his Right Hon. Friend, in consequence of misunderstand. ing the civility . of MO (Sir James Macintosh's) manner, and taking his expression's in a sense which it was not intended they should bear. He entirely acquitted his Hon. Friend. of any intentional mistatement ; he him self was not conscious of having committed any breach of faith on the occasion ; and with respect to his Right Hon. Friend, he had no doubt that he had a c ted on the assurances which, however erroneous their foundation, he had received from his Hon. Friend. • Mr. WILMOT-HORTON observed, that his Right Hon. Ft icad had perfectly misunderstood his (Mr. Hor ton's) statement. That statement was, that six weeks before the Bill was brought into Parliament he (Mr. Horton) had been informed by his Hun. Friend, then the Member for Coventry, that the Right Hon. G. ntlenian had had the Bill two days in his possession, and had declared that tie was prepared to give it his support; which declaration was the sole cause of the biingirg is: of the Bill. Mr. Ellice had distinctly told him that the Bill had the assent of the Right Hun. Gentlem in, and on that ground, and on that aline, had it been brought forward as a measure of utility, in the expedien cy al 'which all parties concurred. He made no accusation against any one; he supposed the occurrence had pro• I • • c;ftled from misunderstanding::. but the facts save he had described them. , sirJ. MACINTOSH repeated that the whole bo‘it had originated in some mi.coriception, into the Hill lars of which it would not be Convenient then to g It was certainly true that copy of the Bill had been sent to him some time - before it was istroduc'eil Parliamentt—it was certainly.vue that he had read 'Bid cursorily with other papers—it was certainly , th it he had expregsed to his Hon. Friend, Mr. Elk; his opinion that the conditions of the proposed Ur' seemed to him to be perfectly fair. The probaln was, that his Hon. Ft iend understood his statement a larger sense titan he intended.. When the Meat was introduced, not particularly as the measure of , Right Hon. Friend, but as the Measure of Government centrally, considering it to be a pernicious measuie,/ had opposed it. - Still retaining the same opinion • respect to it, that opinion be had repeated on Fridal Mr. LABOUCHEKE disclaimed any intention impUting to the Right Hon. Gentleman an intention taking the House by surprise, when he introduced Bill of 1822. After a few words from Mr. BARING are conversation deem* and the Petition was brought up and read. • Lord MOUNTCHA IMES presented a Petition from CM* . Catholics in Enniskillen, praying for Emancipation. Admiral SOTHEitON . prevented three Petitions of an eppw a nature, from the county of Notiingham and other places. Mr. LEGG E presented'a Petition from certain inhabitants the parish of lkadbary, against granting further indulgences r Roman Cathulics.—Laid on the table. Mr. KENNEDY presented the Petition of the Ordinary nagers of Edinburgh. in favour of the 818 now penally on the jest of the Poor Laws.—Laid on the table. • A Petition was presented from Holahan& Market, agaimt Hui poled change in the existing Corn Laws. Sir T. LETHBRIDGE presented a Petition from the redde i t Clergy of the archdeaconry of Taunton. in the diocese of Batt Wells, against further concessions to the Catholici...Laid on tilt , RAaT RETIORD• Mr. G. BANKES gave notice, he should to.mq, present the Petition oftertain treeholdet s of East Itetft against the Bill for disfranchising that Borough. STAMP DUTIES, Mr. HUME presented a Petition from the Stationer of London, against the Bill now in progress through P ' House, relative to Stamp Duties. The Hon. Me said, that the Bill was totally inadequate to the it had in view. It was a merely partial remedy, and Stamp Duties. might be collected at one half the now charged to the•public. Sir J. NEWPORT thought the subject ought t e proceeded in, until the Report relative to It ish Duties were presented. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER that he was incapable of taking advantage of tin port not being piloted, in the passing of the ' question. Sir J. NEWPORT thought the Bill but a measure, and that it ought not to be pressed until Irish Report was laid befnte the House. Mr. HUME presented a Petition from several' Burghs, praying to be relieved from certain attendant on detaining Prisoners in County Jails. The LORD ADVOCATE said, that the so)ely applied to the expense of Jailors keeping , of the prison. This was a clause which he had duced in the Billpending.in Pailitment, and be it would.be carried through. the House. woos TRAM. Mr. HUME moved for 'a " A Return of all _British Manufactures and Yarns exported from Great Britain, i 9, to sth January 1348."—Ordered to be reduced. Loid cur roN presented a Petition from Gravesend ' against the Alehouse Licensing Bill. 'The LORD ADVOCATE of SCOTLAND brought Report relative to the Building of Jails in Sentland.."-The grad a first and second time, and ordered for the %Mid Monday next. Mr. SLANEY presented a Petition from a•Prlendly Son. Whitechurch, Shropshire, against Abe BiU now peuJist Parliament.. Mi. IL GRATTAN moved for certain Returns relative , Money expended in Ireland in Public Yorks for the last • . RUM' OF CREDITORS. . Mr. SUGDEN rose, pursuant to onice, to mo , .lease to bring' in a Bill to amend Act 3 Willi Mdt y, F.t the Relief of Cieclirmi against Fra' Dzvises;" and Linolat Act (Irish), 4 Auer, ch. Learned Member traced toe ptogiess Of the it 'Allis subject down from the time of Edward the the time of William and Mary, and contended would be but fair and right that failing the belt properties, the devisee should be bound to pay ; WI debts of the devisor ; in fact, he should be exactly in the same situation the I.eir would h in; and the protection extended by the Ist Edc First should equally apply to money in the fur other property, which in some particular cases coati be seized to the use of those who had encumbr: demands upon the devisor after his death. This was which he now sought to remedy, with the per of the House. 'The Hon. and Learned Gentian 'passing a high encomium upon the legal chat Sir S. Romilly, deprecated that principle .his Act sea: founded, which went to make re, liable to simple contract acts in the cases of b; 'traders. The effect of this was greatly to loci , number of suits in Chancery, and suits of the Wctionable description on account of expense al Vhen it happened that real property subject claim was in the possession of an infant or dians, his non age was pleaded in stay of. the 'the parties were obliged to wait perhaps tw' eighteen, or fifteen years, until be came of age. evil.which his Bill went to remedy, was the tive to the conveyance of the estates of mincr thought that such estates ought not to be allowei sold. unless they were really saleable and tl could be made out ; and then, instead of an compel the conveyance upon the minor coming he thought the parties should be enabled to co' once. He would take that opportunity of stati no man was more anxious than himself to see of the law of real property, if by reform w' the getting of that only which had become ui and unfitting to the times. He wished to keep stance, but to get rid of those forms *inch mit been necessary at one time, but which now oi rated as incumbrances and impediments. He the Commission appointed to investigate the must be highly beneficial to the country in 41 The Hon. and Learned Gentleman said, that it his intention to act as a Member of that Comp and disclaimed exercising any influence, direct r m cc a t t , te u rs uponpoints whichpr ocee l d h i e n y gs. He thought the composing the Commission should be lear ned Id to in mean that they should be m la erestickl uir ers ehe for' they are, but that they should hate such a ki of the subject as would enable them to ,epa' was necessary from that which could be advanl dispensed with, and so to effect a rational rdoi laws. He st ai convinced that they would the best system of a law of property that country ever possessed. Hi moved for leave in a Bill to further facilitate the payment of ' of Real Estates. Mt. WALLACE fully concurred in theobjecl rl II IL 11 1 1 I I err yi b y it ad the 7llll.ll : th ah b i ße eresliN ahilit taiNlitlV:ll::'' Union spiel tent is edsoto c olic of hi s !moot N:. lie, be uses" nutlet v.ith TIN idl7. oak ion of tion of :ad the roc sa MI eoppeo; to abl what c Seotl "Pike Will to at hats at O re ' cs ne lift' MI .1,915 ittepry laws vario etsielet ; were Bath at i I OCt. m a itht t l g e io :l : f neri er tbe 4 l eeoe- s t 3 fai:Cr elfin mono • Member :11, le object deal t Mt t allen no ds t utilr :o e t tea ih Stamp a hot ER lscipee s n lu ia tt st u d, e; the Sir e Bill its . ours on ni a parti rick nntil tint al d • • pica Petiti • fiat • *sh. g record nd tad re, be h . pel . ctUl sum kh woos, eve n 'from wb •I:3duced. • e 1 ;resod Xi • .ttUl me , ught op* clause to tit . ie[ do t mote f,, refer pew a ism 17 1 1. 1 at i 5 z ow. ro duu,pfti l eo n: ha t : , ;t lie Flist t ation led that sail) 'it to lull m., y 11.!elai Isy be place p p i ) h re bee n. • e funds s ow l ccould na j ri brances was an ea ell Per misys ed I trwinesite. his; lilt atter tr p on whit: ohn e,el este% ells f banksss is streate the thir e most re. and dela!, ..) tto SUCH TI) el r his gee. 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