Star. — London, England, 1824-02-21 00:00:00

i PARLIAMENTARY PROCEEDINGS. HOUSE OF LORDS, FEBRUARY 20. • This morning the Loan CnexCIILLOS came down at ten 9 . 4 when he Ailed his acCustomed place. Prayers were read by the Bishop of LINSIUCK. Goosed weer then felled is tepee a Mende samo, seppoted to be the last, of the Queensberry Appeal, is the matter-"of the " Earl of Wemys and March, appellant, O. Sir George Montgomery, and James &keener, tenant, **spoliation." Mt. Seem and Mr. Aerate spoke for the appelbat, sad Mr. Alumnae. and Mr. llopeenes fee the relptednpes, and Mr. Soo ems in reply ; this case being thee heard out, The LORD CHANCELLOR, d .coschtsloo, hen repeated t ;sentence he had given on a fmn‘ir daysdist ea wee dee, thin was necessary for the due etenMereilos of pith tarn e:teat tn. terests should be experienced in giving bin judgment, of which proper notice should be given to the agents who were concerned-hi it. Mr. Pentessess, from the Connie Coeingssioners, presented tterir Twentieth Report at tie Rae, whisk was laid upon she tabk •o. the House. Upon the motion of the Earl of Suaresistne. their Lordships went into a Committee on the Lomhard-street House Bill, which was reported without any amendments. Lord SU FFIs LD, when the-quietism for adjourelng was about to be put, observed, that he happened not to be present when a Noble Friend (Earl Grosvenor) last night addressed the (louse, or be should then hive troubled them with a few words, but at pre sent it was not hit intention to 'detain their Lordships long. Ike subject which he wished to advert to vas that of the existing C t asor Laws, which his - Noble Friend had justly said was in ins. pertain one; and, therefore, he wished their Lordships to recollect that they sere not exactly in the situation of the other House, be fore whom evidence had been obtained on the subject ; so that whenever the Bill now progressing through that House came up to their Lordships, it might happen that WOW Nohle Lords would object to entertaining it upon the only ground of not . having the evidence before them warranting the Bill. lie did not expect such an objection to be taken, but he feared it might; and, under an int. Irreseion of caution, he now gave notice of the course he proposed to pursue. Should the objection be mentioned be started, he would at a proper time move their Lordships to go into a Committee of Evidence; but he hoped that this intimation might prove sufficient, and that no opposition would be offered to the Bill.—Adjourned at Half-past Five o'Cluck till Monday. HOUSE OF COMMON& 'Fite &SALIM took the Chair at four o'clock. • This being the hit day for receiving Petitions. for Private• econddersele portion of the cresting was occupied in receiving Binh Petitions. Sir W. ING LEBY presented a Petition from the Licensed Vic tuallers Of Spalding, in the County or Lincoln. praying for the Re , peal of.the Duty on Excise Licenses. Lord STANLEY, presented a slatilitel!edtion.ffons the LhisPriad Vituallers of the Town of Biadthorn,in Lainashire. Sir E. H. EAST presented a similar Petition from the Publicaps and Innkeepers of the - City of Winchester. Mr. BY NG resented• a similar Petition from the Publicans Of the Parish of Si. Luke, Chelsea. Mr. SCARI.ETT presented- a similar Petition from the Pub licans-and Innkeepers of the City of Peterborough. Lord ANCR A M presented a similar Petition from the Licensed liktuallen of.Huntingdoo.—These Palliate wereeneerally ordered to lie upon the table. _Sir IL K N ATC H BULL presented a Petition hem the Inks ; bitente of Greenwich, praline for the Repeal of the Daimon Coale carried.coastinse. . , Mr. Alderman WOOD preseneed a similar Petition from the Ward otEkbopspte, and hoped 'the number andeareissnew oeche Peti tions en this subject from variesreterts of , the osemstry, duce the Chancellor of the Itsihropette seriel.dde tans • A similar Petition was presented- from the Inhohltaists- et the ikovegh of Newport, in the attorney of ceenwall.--lbelat wers.severally ordered to be friend. A new Writ was orderaibiee the Eked= of a literriber to serve for the County of Weed,* the rosin of J. Faso, deceased. Mr. H. SUMNER presented , a Petitletibms ss , liasapsteadr against she duty on Coals. Mr. COURTENAX presented. fraddos from Eater. .—Ooderedie be printed. Mr. CUR-WEN postponed Ms Modest relativeto the. residence of the AttorneyeGeneral el. the Isle GI Mew, whiebetood-for se.daYs to. Monday next. , - Mr. W. SM ITH presented a Petidon from the f t:My of Norwich against the Duty on Cloak carried eneensise.—Ordered to *printed. • Mr, W. WILLI AMS presented a similar Petition from the Ward of CornhiU.—Ordered to be printed. Sir T. ACLAND said, that in addition to * nutty, Bak**, whit:b ead. already been sweated to the House, be bold ins. Ns hand no fewer t h us seven or eight, from. raglan jel.cgs, in Devon shire against the Duty on Coals, As, thb eras the last 40 Flow which these Petitions could be received, heiresefd the Right ifin. Gentleman kthe Chancellor of the:Exchequer) , who bad se wisely, attended cache prayers of the People last year,wnuld now listen- to the apr.al made to bins by the Petitioners. He (Sir T. Miami) whhedro press upon hint strongly the necessity of granting &partial, it net ap absolute relief spinet tills, meet oppressive tax. If the likia./lonourable Gentleman was unwilling to repeal** whole of the fax, let him at least put his maritime fellow-subjects upon an etpiality with the inhabitants of the Continent. The duty on coal cOled to a foreign port was only 5.. while in England they had to petsiouhlethat suns. The Henoorable Baronet then resented Petitions front CoThoolt• ton, in Deem% . and several mine places, which were read and or dered,,to_bipeutitated. DUTY ON. NORKIION: OlOole Mr. T. WILSON: presented s PetKOP frees the idockanik Fliewe, and others in time City of London, concerned in the Woe% and Winne& Trade, praying fee the redaction of the duty cut Fon filiSONiati. He mowed the tea as impialide, inasmuch. as h was wins.on-aummatexial. The lass addition ektbe ess.sesa *petted aka measure of partial -relief to the landediateteetcof the= at wgeriod when they were labouring ender:a.coosidetalli aim They ware.now greatly mind, and tbsiebiesk_ s .. th• ties being secomplished, and the cause of. he berahnehisninihroarode it•erse bet fair to relieve the aunsfacwasenda• tOtla•hffooordagih 'limas aware that he might be told , thea•thealleoli lla inisnufset twesosin the North of the Kingdom wsre,dsieg•was be adwitted the bet, bat he knew of no reason why they shield nothek-pot a teedidon to do still better. if possible. Tbot thia canvassed wassidwably to tbo.disadvantage.of nor wee ownotactores, and io fanny of tbose.of the Coodoent,was newt Helead a proof Witbsisat wield* Ida own knowledge at tbio, tooment, in the in seams of -a. partisabir hoes:Jot . tee • City. a( loadons which had givewardenfor.paccbanes , to•tbe•ortert of seven or 8,000 pieces front houses in Germany and Fame, whisk kbadberetigere boo diefeeostatet practice of proondogyfiellk Yorkshire. He trusted ' tailibb fast would horses apowillinineraand the Manse the maim .of at least a paadal tudietlip of the tag. - v. ROBE OTSOlCspoku.sb• sosmlength is support of the had 'lOW4l l4 *- of this B :V ID OWibI MonlPlible Member who had INC PA down. Th e wanairastare, , whish Vim regarded's theweepht coninaditiof thwootentry, waadleara• rigstoad daposoodby the weight- of dot* ,lappogod n.,Ebe . row =VOA and ible most impentant Watseka( tradetiar the wiggle of diefoßida Maahethotts thin In a great .rnsaslite thaerp Mu the. ingda of the foreign natinfaetnrer. The Wawa& advantages Pee anggial by oar men nwaufsoldron in other respoesa woman disown eg the *radon. of *con. whir& kezthefliece a*. *Pew igfoelleloal to ielft: WO the ghPlllliataiefla their ta.Set Waled& See li, *retold to the lauded ittW --- tbentsaivees that the oianufeetures •or the country - should lme naiintalsed in the awe floneldisg • enadidow. Thew two • gigot iateessto mew so indingsly , eannewod. with and. dopir afillbsolli oath .00..wka;nif 4n1ia1.• 11 . 1441 ProsPodet •of mPilik 4: ll6o Nafi t i• teso : to dare. the Sher.... The - most esartipas, therefore, of the • boded interest should be he awl to prosnre satele.4 reduction el this tateas might enable the. woollen neanifenwasalof • this kW.** to 'compote. Wiles foreigit, wenehotkeefihiehowei POW enitoNAes. • This PM a Meek barque* bet eirtlits4t at this, logoaelSa Naha. If dlie Mintze went to export her walks goods. at et . ap rate, the whole of parades of China end - d6Oeer enanoriss of the • Met, ao mike* elitheeelasoosee nod/ taboomgefaleellelettN * Nor TMOMMION: emartad.. thin, . dwoghtlt i =hola Was .thaktbaggig ottlnds. & levied ter e:2 11111strar l; l ao . MA' Aidinamelt.lllooD * lbs r onaeithaelilielk, to anemia wielobt!lnot been soda wen she leaded interest to hheamembeelkokhthek amileaviair so peewee a sednolinislirtion, wits wlegg dqobt dlot Ofit osansfactodelpaimiloosemworial Menace would.joht thine ig.properipg the rednithatafalemaa cestrisse abolltd 4o 6.o 4l = ce ldate lowled lamest waled basestrest .to• 11144...-lbe was waselli %be piing oil the, oa hosign Pais thin* read, end ardeard to be priest& • IRISH LAW MOM. • •Mr i. WEIFPORT whhed to Moir fool* , Suserabis. buituT Clik - Vi e nt wha " lP " CIP111111 , 411"1/11W 81114 • _. _ . Mr..Seseetary . said, that haunter of the Consmissi might have been, there was ttW a Breit to their labours. They bad certainly proved themselvee ezgliO t tel7 fad whilst the period of their invesdeatlant lasted but it ka: gi be sh e r gi t:lt:at the advantage to be derived from presseseirag would not be an adequate compensation for the expense ettendit4 it. It was therefore deemed inenredieot that the CO"l nlii ' iiebould la* any looter, and it had in fact ternanated on the BM his,month. With respect to the second rimer lb* flight ne- Ileurable Baronet, he bad only so'obiaries do Ottawa had been likbes to give considerable Abet to the mreeenntatient of the Co.. Mbelswers, and that eotaddatabbt blifflograillalsbad i» solaseimence taken place in the Cavort of Cbaneeleit for MatteFles no fees but those authorised by law meld now ire taken. lii the other Courts there also had been several alterations for the better, and very con ' siderable progress bud been made towards equalizing the seak of fees in an the PAPA ekes. That were his minters to tie pie• ries put to b(m bid. light Honourable Baronet ; and be had no doubt that ha a Very dos time all the &Oakum to the meaner in which the gerbiblimposa was carried so in the Law Coots in Ire land would be obviated. Sir JOHN trurrowr said, that there were certain points ' epon which he understood the Lord Chancellor bad, in jinn, - ex- , pressed it aside opinion that the intetvention of Parliamesteventski be necessary. He did not know whether the experience of three years had Induced his Lordship to change his opinion; but be was still inclined to believe that much was required to be done before the Wee eapremed by thißigtat Hon. Secretary could be answered.. Mr: facestary NIEL elmerved, that the recommendation of die- Commissioners. priodyelly referred to the regulation of fees, And upon this subject that reeommendation had been substantially ear; tied into effect. Dr. LUSHINGTON presented a Petition against the t)uty on Coals. ARMY ESTMATES. Upon the motion of Lorsl PALM ' , Arrow, the House resolved itself into a Committee of Supply upon the Army Estimates. Lord PALMERSTON commenced by observing, `that anybody who looked at the Estimates of this, as compared with those of the last your, would perceive an liugmentation of six new regiments,of 200 men to.each of the three Veteran Battalions,which augmentation was,. of course, attended by an additional charge. The aug mentation consisted altogether of 4,560 Officers and men, and the attendant increase of charge would be 158,0001: •lout from this he had, since the estimates were first pre pared, discovered that a deduction could be made to the amount of 55,0001. the particulars of which he would ',explain as he went along, which deduction , would re, 'duce the amount 'of additional charge to tile snm -nt 108,0004 Having called the-attention of the Commit tee to the augmentation of force, it might, perhaps, be expected that he should- assign the reasons which had induced his Majesty's Ministers to deem such aug mentation necessary.. lie then could without hesitation state, that it did us arise from any apprehensions cim the part of Government that the peace of Europe would. be disturbed—(Hear, hear).—lt did not arise, he re' peated, from any supposition that the country would be. engaged in foreign wars. It arose solely fiom the 'pre sent state of our West India Colonies—(Hter, and in the 'necessity which Ministers saw for keeping up a larger force, in that part of his Majesty's dominions under atisting• circumstances, be- was sure thc would concur. Having thus stated shortly the grounds upon which his Majesty's Ministers 'Adjudged such-an, -increase of force netteswy„ heshould, perhaps, best dis charge his duty and meet the wishes of the Muse by ahitanting,freinlootaring further into the details of subject which wOrinumting old itaßomust in. naffs • and well entitled to separate sr ec rive consideration , but could not, with proprie t y be , a,sulsjfet of toile-. terahliscussion upon that oesasitto. lit the arriingemente which accompanied thoangasentation_ , to- whiehlie had alluded, it had been the object &Government to conduct everything upon-the most *Compiles' scale. ffiverytkii cer.who had been appointed. to the six new iegiments was selected from, those upon the half;pay list, amine. a single individual transferred Imo the existing legi t men;s by promotion—(f eon bear),—lt• was not, indeed, without a painful sacrifice of feeling upon the part of Government and the Commander-in-Chief that this, regulation was.adheted to. .It.. would undooktedly have been most gratifying to them could they have availed themselves of the opportunity to live protivetion to fieve• reel meritorimuCtfrwers who had dutinguished themselves , during-the war,aad.whosinGe the pasce had been eta-pilp serviceable to their country in less distinguished botavore irksome services in distant Colonies; but•while GiVlthlll. meat would have been happy to rewardthent, they, felt. they bad a pare mount.duty.to perform in attest diag to.the clainuthat the country had tvontlisicitforretrenotmente -Li. had., _Own. been otilectesi to Government that they increased their establishments and: kept up a large army far theipurposee of pittroneges He trusted the ,time for making such a charge was now gone by ; but if at any future omit should be repeated, be-had:only to refer those who 'made the allegation to the fact be bad just detailed, and-they would - find in their fact• as sufficient answer. to the. charge,. To ,reat rn Att.*, ESti•., mates. To meet•aa-augmentatioa of 3800 *ikon aady men, which was the complement -of• the six new .regi , ments, an additional charge of 17%0001. was required. This was, however, counterbalanced by a saving itt the. half,pay to the amount of 18,0001. Some ?tdditiesid expense would be incurred by regimens returologfroin India which last year were no their.voyage,.aud there fore supported by the East India.Comps.ny, tan which regiments on their return would, of course,.. become chargeable to 'the country. In the Strain. Ireland an additional. charge. of S9o9liwas intuited in.comiqueoce of the appointment of another General Offiker. Id the public department there wase.dirolautioa.a( eltarge.to the amount of 80001; and- in the medical.decartsneat of 884 L In that of the . lralunteer Corps,.theYariatiottwes trifling its compared with last year. With respect to the third class of estimates, there Was,. assanwpated, with thole- of - last year, a diminution to. the amount of WO% which, added to the sum of 550004 to. whirl be alluded before, made a tail' decrease to the amount of. 840000 k In the Military College there was a reduc tion of 165E.—( Hear, front. Mr. Hesse.)—ln dm-army pay of General Officers there had been a reduction of 13,0061. In the full-pay of Retired O 1 tees. of 18001: This item he (Lord Palaseirstoo) thought he thoild4 itbk, in consequence et proposed alteratiain, to redeasin further sum of-10,0001. The-Garrisons were in the es fang year,.. la tee, Malt pay and Ml OTT *wawa the bad, berm a diminution of 17,0001.i' les oempated with last year ; bit-in these he eapeoted to he able to make a further redaction" totheameasst•W ii.47.40.00a1 la. site amount of:Foreign. Haiti), dun bad besais reduction of 9.7904. In. the ens Pi shows of Chew% gaol. Ifiltklesptet to thalnif Abusers of Kilinainhans and Chelmay dse• char" Item amtsaittedneady the. same as last year, jis. queues of some adaitkod. dissents having b rated from regiments returned from India. , , Exchn - I._ - state is last year. The Veteran - _ had _ creased by the addition of 0611, the idditional charge for which we; 19,0001. Thus the total augmentation was 46e0 men, the additional charge 138,000 1 • which' diminished by $6,0001. left only an increase of 108,0001. Now,. against this he had to put i sous of 63,0001.- paid to Government by Ws East India Company, for which the Chancellor of the Exchequer woOld gore him (Lord Palmerston) credit, as it was fairly applicable to his es timates. Thus this sum of 65,0001 being deductedfrom 103,00 W. it would be seen that the ix additional Regi ments would only cost the country 40,0001.7-(Hear, hear). The Noble Lord concluded by Moving—o That a number of men, not exceeding 73,000, •ibould be granted to his Majesty for the service of the year 1824." Mr. HUME said, thatin his opinion the Noble Lord came with a very bad grace to 2sk the House for an increase of force, when he recollected the manner in which they were induced to consent to an addition last year. Upon that occasion it was explicitly declared that no further addition to the grant of 69,000 men was contemplated, and it was upon that untlerstandiog that the Oopositioo had consented to waive their objec tions. The Noble Lord May recollect -the language which was held by himself and his colleagues upon that occasion. To 'the objections that were urged against the necessity of such a force 'is time of peace, their reply *as —.4 Look at the Continent; see Prance about to invade Spain, and will you refuse us the means of meeting the probible consequences of such a procedure ?"—Under what different circumstances did the Noble Lord now come before the House, and upon what different grounds did he apply for as in ' crease of force ? The very circumstance; alluded to in the, course of the Noble Loral's speech were in his (Mr. Hume's) opinion, the strongest argument noose him. He said there was no fear of was abroad, Issuljet he demanded a considerable increase of forte; 1 54. a erable increase, he repeated • for although the Lord might affect to underva lue an increase of he (Mr. Murat) would tell hint that the cousea7 4sid nor. The manner in which- Ministers went on in creasing the military establishment of the country was indeed alarming. During several years after the Arne riotsa war, the military force of the country amounted only . to 33,000 men, although we had then neither Mi litia nor Yeoman; y. Yet now we had a regular force of seventy-duce thousand men, eaclasive of the Artillery and Mai inn, to say nothing of the Militia- and Yeo manry, of whom there were in. togland and Ireland tieventy.seven thousand of the former, and seventy four thousand of the latter,, liable to be called out whenever Ministers pleasah When he considered all the circumstances of our present situation; when he considered' die little fear there was of hostility from abroad; and the state of tranquillity-which we-enjoyed, and which we were libelo to continue. to enjoy at home, 'he really thought it a, mots. entraordinary proposition upon the 'pert of the Noble Lord. to snake any apish,. cation for such• an increase of' fivrem -Had not the 'lliglu. lionourable. S - nrerary i opposite (-Mr, Caturiog) declared that. Moot was no; oleo, of any. baffle move ment with reference toifoosinn , Poswirts.?' Btit even if the; e.were, it might allwd. a- reason. for iticroising adis polable foreolikes the 3livo,.bet.not for any hicreasein. our Militaro Eatehlishments, which actually aethe pre► sent , moment; including- the different Indies-ha had all. ready mentioned; contahnta a Wee- of no- less thOn 233,1)00 men,. ready tolse_calledou at a moment's warn. i ngs To. aiew whalittla umwssity there. misted. for this. increase of force, he had only to refer to the King's,. Speech. on the opening of. Parlleavene, itt which hefound the followiog.elptesoons :.1. At no former period has, thereprevailedithrooghout all-classes of the.conununity in this island a more clivessful spirit: of order, or a.twom just sense of the-advantiges which; coder Peowlonsolk they enjoy,"-.-Thus, if Ministers. were to be believed-.. and he did mot on this OCCOSIOII-1114411 to deny the pal. tioo—therewas.no.indication of any disturhed.spirit in this kingdom which called-for an- increase of military power. WWI respect. to Ireland, he had only to refer p , an9ther.paa of:lus Majostes Speea,,toprese thatoll was, tranquil there tooa—" In ketands which, has for some time. past- been. thesubjece of his Majesty's parti cular solicitude, there are many indications (kennel& meat."—T.hunitid lii*Meiestykaud,sure hejttlt. Home) tosts•-thot it was not hreoeroisemeastres that tranquil lity was to be restored to that country. Military coep cion had Rapt long- triedithere:;:but. instead of producing any. good.effaro; it had - only leriesi. to ii ritate and ha, lame the passions. of thropeoples ft was time to try a milder method, which was the ainle•one- that, kr his opi nion, would be found-to.seeme4 and-thus, instead of increasing, he thought Ministers ousht.to•diminish, the military force in that part. of tholsingdorn—(lfear.)-- He had formerly, in. speaking-of Ireland, used the word -disaffected ; but heltadseen ample reason to,cbangp t his Opinion. The people of behind yielded to no other hi affection .fortheir King—their disaffection. was to a Goreentnast which. had always ruled them. with the . strongland•Of I power, and- who, when by that. . - they-had Aiten a temporary. check to those evils which' woe the inevitable consequences of raissovernmost, had never. bosewthe Moment of tranquillity to. hives• tigate•-into their causes. But if- the Hoosershould.cou. tinue to supply Ministen-with. theciverwhelming force 'which they called-for, it was natural that they, should Adopt what they. coaceived"tha easiest means o and rule by, intimidation and not conciliation. The.Speeth went on to state, that "'His-Mej . esty had-noreoson to believe that the. progress of oar internal prosperity and an. ptovemeat would be: disturbedtby any. interruption of treaquillity from abroad, and- that he•continued to re ceive from the Powers his Allies, and from all Nixes lend totes, assurances of their earnest desire' to main. ns tain•and -cultivate the relatio- of- friendship with his rnejesty, and that nothing waionsitted cet his Majesty's art, as. welt to preserve' general peace, as to remove y causes • of' disagreement, , and to draw closer the bonds °Comity. *wino other illations and `(;Fiat Bei. rain." Now after this .deciaratiesa on the part of his Majesty and-his Ministers, he. Mb: Hamel would ask, the alleged by. thy Noble Lord was stsiffolem toasiborizeGovernsasot not,tocallfor any additlheal i forces but to heap up tbrestaldiehment oldest yeleorte witifns ten thousand men- or that establishment?" , Ber what was the reason .alleged by.the Nbbit L0rd.64.01 'dissorboacm in the. Wes; gsdiost Surely, out of dill" • . -____ —X cas.Allel ana....three could be,flOsad'air'' ient to left& these. had It; uses of there dirtuubanceil continue, or were they to 1 ire theqi reloote4 be a the ec m goalies. sad we Vete rut t. . ast be thought not to tl X a cetteelenti, the bounden duty of Ministers to out, and fairly end honestly tell what their in. were with respect to these , lslands. He did rot them to violate their engagements with the Co. neither did be wish to writate the whole po. -..00 of the Islands. But the question, he con tended, ought not to be left to supposition. Minlitert, 'he repeated, ought to speak out, and say either-- "_Vire will or we will not Merate the slaves"—(ye ar ). If they sit otherwise, the greatest mischief will be the probable result. The slaves will iassigiee from their silence that they have something to espect. They will become the dupes of designing men ; and that there were such in these islands recent events too fully proved ; thus the safety of the whole population, white and black, will become endangered. Thus, with cremate to the %Vest India Islands, it was, he contended, idle to talk of this increase of force being necessary. If sisters did their duty towards these islands, they could' quell the disturbances there without the addition of a single man; and if they must have troops, there were, he. repeated, enough, and too many already. He thought, indeed, it was by no means unreasonable to ask the Noble Lord to reduce eight or 19,000 men from the establishment of last year, instead of calling on 'the country for an additional number. He (Ht. Hume) remembered perfectly well, and be believdd those around him.remembered also (he did not know she' • then the other side thought upon the subject at all) • —(a laugh.)--that it was in consequence of represents. tions of the necessity of meeting the probable consc. quences of the war between Prance and Spain, that the Opposition were prevented front moving an amend meat to the vote of last year—(Hear). Now, therefore, be thought the country had every right to claim a re• demon s even if there was a probability of a war on the Continent, he should not consider it a reason for increasing our military estilliliskinent. He hoped in GOD no British soldier would ever land again upon the continent of Europe. We had taken too much pains to render ourselves a Military Power, for which oar situation rendered us unfit, and he trusted we might at length see our error. Upon the whole it was his opinion, that the amount called for by the Noble Lord ought to be reduced from 73,000 to 63,006 which were amply suffi cient for all purposes in-the present state of our affairs. He called on the House to reducethe military establishment. The Government, he contended, was a civil one, and was never intended to become a military Government. Taking all classes of people in the community now, it would , be found that in some way or other they were eonneeted with the military estgblishissent of the country. But it the military were reduied the Noble Lord would my, 4 , What will become of the Colonies r—With se. ,spect to the simner inwhieb the accounts were got up, it was very extraordinary. Although the Fetimatei had - not been presented more than three days, they were discovered to be wrong in ieveral items. The House ought not to have things brought on in so loose a man lier. The Noble Lord had'no muse whatever to offer, inasmuch as the accounts were only made up to the end of December, and there had been abundance of time since thee to have them accurately framed.. It was, however, but justice to say. that *this the last few years a great improvement had taken place in the pre paration of the public accounts. Nntwititstanding, there waa giU peat. room for improvedtent. The Noble Lord had - only got Mar war inr what might be done. • The Estimates. were nearly the unit in amount as they were in 1812. In. that yaw the Avant' were 18,1081,0001. this year they were about .18 0 561,03U — .He (Mr. Home) meant to ineltade the navy espenses also in- those sums. Sham there were between thirteeo and' fburteen millions annuallyespended in this mermen. In 1822 the military eapenditsue amounted Loth.. sunk ,of 7,000,6901. and, last year (101111) it was 8,046,000/. Let the House compare this with the peace ditabliJk ivilmit-of 17'86, at which period the Anmy cPoWWSKI, of 'only thittr.threethousandmen. Am the presses time it was contemplated to keep up a Militarrforoe ie Eng land and kelaad- alone Much greatetihan.the whole. Army in 1792. Thew were-tern twenty thousand men stationed' in &gland. sod'tweutptwe *viand in Ire , land. These were upwattle of ' 641 thousand. Foot Guards, and six thousand are hundred Cavalry. Why were not these/strove ammorted illy444P*Oble forces? Tholtioisle Losd says-that he wawa men.for tbs. West Indies. He (Mr. Wee) would ask -why not reduce the Foot Guardsood Omit/. in order:that a.force might ,be-substituted- the-Westindiesl- Let the period of 1792 be taken as an example Ayr one establish ment. Then Ireland was considered suNciensly prosentad, as far as military force. was crneerneel, with melee thousand men. At it was not intended tO make the measures permanent one, with. regard * to kbe• creeps which were to be sent to the Weshlesdies, why not take some men from the stadiesed , in thia country? But. Wit wore intended to beep up Immo& forte in ttlhsee West Indies, it would be rnaels.beeme fee this country not to have anything to dep. with. the premed= of the property in those islands, but leave them to do thelpest they could ; for he was convinced, if it. were► rapthite to keep a powerful - army there, no good would be ef. fecsed to the pro ' thereby, but that their min num. inevitably fit l of .So lcog ass state Of irritable lity was cherished, if the people were.to be kept coo. stantly in arms, theestateecoold not herniates& Bur, .in his opinion, if there vras.an maim to that irritation which had latterly unhappily prevailed in the West Indies, not asinglesoldier would be required. And even was the measure proposed a temporary one, why could not three or four thousand men be spared from Great Britain ? He was as anxious as any Honourable Member in that House, that the interests of Great Britain should ever he preserved ; and be was persuadetthat by calling on the llibuse to reduce her standing, army instead of in ,'ht, he was best consukiog ha true interests. The ember then referred to the Report of a Commits Wee which sat in 1817, to inquire into the state of the coon itry. Seeing the opinions ef this Committee were in favour ' of economy, he had hoped it would have made a morels's ins impression than it appeared to have done:, It was es• teedingly desirable to return to the establithmentof 1792+ Let That period be contrasted with the present. Then about 33,000 men was Alike military required for the preservation of our safety ; and now the House was called on to vote for 78,000 regular troops, being an increase of 40,000 troops. NosWisfactory reasons had been given for the proposed increase is the establishments and he tsd therefore pse an Amendment. The Noble had taken cre di t foe the sum if money pid to rernment by the Bast India Company (63,00( this [pent would naturally have been paid, had not the Noble Lord mentioned it. He bad notbisig mote to do whit it than he had with the Tax upon Wool s ; of whlcK the House bad just heard so much. It was an t made between the East India •Consgaog mid nd • poimed to inquire - into We guises ip ibeiCOurt*iii law in . 1014 Militati Asylum. the dimisveion antesatti4a 4 sai . dto I was still in existence. atnt *4 I°lol eirlct ILIPOI lii tbs Widows' -Peados shwa had been an in-- speak ui Ow 1* reeillpenstatiest d ates et to the 'WS _ r • muse U. PROM and hasp Coaireionnte Lig, Bounty It was, I a is iker 1r be misspelt m* bad dri IT liti n pares lintk to the awn sorseardo. of three T ow eats, And Pensions fee Vittemslb, there had been speak a , undet sonsiderstien v ad. be iris desirous, 10 iklidt4 Ndlethet Pla alf4 alkilliaeaSe to the advent - of 641001. In the s uper- telations r4r 111° 4 • 41 ." °Ca l° °lbw C° 6llB of 1011 b " takfla ig il "P ° bonaation Allowances, - shire bad been an incase of want du 1 remedy the abuses complained ofs va l ua bl e o r d eal "ASV The Exchn - quer Fees r e mained in the same lonists, I "id* _that . h rT___.4ll . %a.m.. state as last year. MI Veteran Battalions had been in. -paletioe Din swum MIL _ . • .i ~ Y ` .......••••••r•••••1 tb.l A.*. • .011,414- L:L• ~~ wk I 1 k .• aii »..... . • • i 0 • m,.......-- r., :.•. . I •