Star. — London, England, 1805-05-11 00:00:00

Ido not wonder at it. It tannorbe a very ;radar i thing to any man whom you admit into yew hoof*, to. alk him whether he be an hone* man ? It is rather painful to be called npon to take an oath, that you' l' are not traitors. If it were a general rule for: all I Members to take the oath, .no man would think any thing of it; but to he tingled our for the purpofe; milli be a galling diflinelion. Now, my Lords, I come to the other objenion, I mean the time. The Noble Secretary lays, it is an indifcreet time, but he has not explained how, o r i n wh at manner . He fags alto, there is no hope of &cedes but I hope that the voter of this night will thee; the contrary. It is not, I think, very refpeßfol to tell the Catholics, that there is-a majority in this Houk againfl any propolition for 1 granting them farther indulgence. One •Mininer's 1 authority may; however, be as good as that of ano ther ; and we do know, th a t anotherliffinitler, as romretent to fpeak upon the tidied as the Noble e , crzo try. has (aid. he never would accept of a place isill,,f -, the Catholic claims were granted.. . But, it is laid we are at war. Does the Noble Score. ,• Lary f ~ ' ,,et, that the Mini9er At the head of His I Majelly's Councils, at a more dangerous time, ialmoll at the very eve of battle, ran away, becaufe i the claim of the Catholics was not planted ? The Noble Secretary of State has alligned another reafon, the prodigious power and influence of France over the Catholic countries of Europe. This is an argument which is likely to lag as long as the prelim Miniltry. Ido not fee, hoarefver, why this , &mid prevent Gs. from placing the frith Catholics under the influence of the Government. Bing - Viril. Liam did not think f0. 7 ---(Here his LOrdthip read a isalr.47e from Bithop Burnet, in which he Rates, that the policy of France was to alienate all Catho • tic countries upon the Continent from England.).-- I am Co far from agreeing with the Noble Secretary of State, that I. think that this is the time of all o t h e rs to fhew the Catholics of Ireland that they cannot esprit from any Catholic league or comet flint, the fame extent of freedom and indulgence w hi c h t h e y enjoy here. Irever there was a time when it was neceffary to unite the hearts and hands of all claffes of his Mejefty's.fubjeas, it is the pre feat ; and this is only to be done, by giving to all the complete enjoyment of all the benefits of the Coal tu.tian. If the laws refloating Catholics are not con): plete, I believe in my heart, that they cannot Rand u they are. I think it impothble that three Millions of the people of Ireland &mid remain as they are, . leaving one million to enjoy the full benefit of the contlitution from which they are excluded. The hißory of all countries thews; that if you cannot •fe tate the hearts of the people, which is only to be done by giving them full and completh enjoyment of the country and its contlitution, you Inuit have re elude to a coercive fyilens lf therutholies are to be affured that they complete enjoyment, yon mull have reeonrfe to that coercive &Item ; but I am fore, in the prefent Rate of Europe, you cannot with to try the temper and dif- - pofitions of the people of Ireland." Earl CAMDEN confidered the prefent difcufllon as very on wife at this time. . I The Bane of DURHAM thought it highlyelren- 1 tial that the principles_ of the Ellablithed Church Mould be inviolably preened : he profeffed bisefraf I no enemy to toleration, but,faid, that be 'bad read the petition with the Freatell attention, and he could - not fee any fecurity in any conceffions which conld be made at prefent ; he willed the education, of the Lower claire' could be improved ; but he cyanid not find any thing in the quellion that could promote fo cial and domeßic happinefs. Lord REDESDALE obferved, that' the motion. before the Houle was, in point of form, that the Honk Would refolve itfelf into a Committee, but the objea of the Noble Mover evidently, and the prayer of the Petition exprefsly was, that the Catholics should be admitted to an equal par ticipation of con- Ritutional rights and power on equal terms with the Proteßants. If this were to be complied with, the Conflittuion of Church and State could not, in his judgment, long fur vise. • The Catholics profeffed al fo their anxiety to be relieved from all tells. This was inlinuated in the Petition, and it was the lan guage publicly held by the Members of that Body in Ireland. "The Houle (horrid, in entifidering this quellion, recoiled, ani deeply to rcfled upon, the Jituation of Ireland. if the demands in the Peti tion were acceded to, the Houle could n't ftippofe that the Catholics would hop there. No, the Ca tholic hierarchy looked for the doinains and rove noes of the eftablirhed Clergy, and thole mull fol low the grant of thole things fur which they now applied Nay, more, the Houle would feel it necef fary to proceed further, the fifth at title of the UniOn mull be repealed, and the Catholic Church elia blithed in Ireland, for without this, he had nd hope that the Catholics would be contented and tran• quillity fecurely ellabliihed. Until the Hierarchy were in purferlion of that Church property which they naturally and anxioudy clerked, they would 'not ceafe to excite difcontent, and if they ever obtained that property, perhaps matters would not end there. It was, indeed, mull probable that a total feparation firm this country would be the next objet of purfuit. Apprehending fuch confeepiences from the propofed concelions, and he could adore the Houfe that fuel: was the prevailing approhenfions among the more in telligent ?meth:its in Ireland, he moll deprecate the propofition. The comparifon made between the cafe of Scotland and that of Ireland, he felt to be 41 6ie . unfi.up ded—becanfe the Church of the Scots n as the ettablifhment of the country, which remain t.; :n quiet obedience to the State of Great Britain, and in pedal harmony with this country. — But that any thing . like peace or quiet,ar harmony; could trill in Ireland while the Catholics were rubjee to fuch a Hie ra 1 chy as the prefent,tethenght Utterly hopelefs. Another difference arofe from this,' that Scotland V 4 Ac, even if the wa-re hoilile to the Proteflant ella b.ifltment, by no means equal to Ireland in point of weight and importance in the Emeirc. BclideF,. the comparifons made,a lluded trly c. peer Erns who fought fur places of power and pr.nit in England, and they, ' ~ it was to be reeOneted, were et , ligcci to take the fa , crament to qualify themfelvcs for such places.. - The Scot•, therefore, adverted to by the Noble Mover, became Protefiants before they were admitted to thofe high (Aces he had mentioned. Of courfe, there was this difference in the two cales•i—that the Prefbyte- I ians of Scotland were not eligible to thofe high of tizes until they took thole Tells which the Catholics claiming, thole offices refuted to take. In the one j OD cafe there was obrinof!7 no danger while in the other every thing was to be aporeluoled. He would pin it to the ' Houle whether Inch lion in favour of the Catholics wool,' be conlillent with common policy or j ri ft ice—to require of one chill of fubjefts a tell of qualification, while another, claim. ing equal privileges, readied to fubleribe. He would 4 ark whether fuch a proceeding could be reconcile. I able with the principles of p o li c y w hi c h governe d our anceftors ? Between the Roman Catholic Clergy I and Laity, the Nable Lord dated, that there was a very marked diflindion. The Clergy—they 'were to be confidered in quite different points of view.— The Clergy formed a great compad -body, Minding in open defiance of the law—exercifing sin authority which the law did not fanftion, and confidering the Protettant Clergy as ufurpers—(here ibere were moth of difopprobasion from Ilie,Uppofilion Benches). The No ble Lord ;awned, and repeated his lalt affertion. In fupport of this affertion he would appeal to any Noble Lord who was acquainted with Ireland. The Catholic Clergy, he knew, denominated the Learn ed Prelate on the Bench aboie him (the Archbifhop of Armagh) limply Dr. Stuart. Thefe Clergy al ways called themtelves the regular fucceffors of the ancient Bilhops of the country. They took their titles, tried their infisnia, and affirmed every thing appertaining to the prelacy that was not prohibited ' by law. In a petition once prefented to the Houfe of Commons of Ireland, they put their fignatures as re gular hilltops. and there was only one than in that af kmbly ( Dr. Duigenan ) whohzd the fpirit tonotice this grofs and intuiting violation of the law. Such was the irate of the Catholic Hierarchy, that he mull depre cate any inereafe of their power. They already pof. feffed an authority of great extent—an authority too, enforced by the molt dreadful means—that of ex communication. This excommunication was of fuch a nature that the poor victim whom it denoun ced, might fl trite in the flreet before arty Catholic would communicate with or relieve huh. He knew, • indeed, in an infiance where a poor perfon, who had been excommunicated, would have adually flarved, if it had not been for the benevolence of a Protef. taut divine, who fupplied him with fulafiftence. There was another inflance of the exercile of this extraordi nary power which had Coale to hie knowledge. Two Catbulics were 'serried by a Protedant Clergyman. This being heard of by the parifh Prieft, ht reported it to the Bilhop. The perfons who had been married were immediately fummoned to appear before the Catholic Vicar General of the Diocefe, and the Pro teltant Clergyman confulting the peace of his parifh, and perhaps his own fafety, with that of the parties fummoned, advifed them to fubmit to the fummons. They according waited on the Vicar General, ex. preffed their contrition and readinefs to make any fubmiilion in their power. But no, the Vicar Ge neral was incturab)e, and this couple was excom municated for having been married according to law. —But this was not all, fuch as fhould have any communication with them, were to be excommuni cated alto. The man, however, being a perfon with whom many were in the bairn of communicating, it was reported to the hilltop, and above :co perfons, 'men and women, were from so miles distance furry 'ironed before the Vicar-General. They accordingly obeyed,but fomehow the Vicar was fo much appealed as not to. impofe the excommunication. He how ever inflifted a penance, which was, that each per. ion Ihould perform a pilgrimage of 3o Mites t that is, from one of what are called liolyWells, in Ireland, to another, each beating a label, fpccifying the caufe for which the penance was, imposed. Things fimilar to this frequently happened fir I eland, and loch was the fear they infpircd, that the influenee of the Clergy WAS almoll unbounded. They, in fad, affinned an l authority much greater than belonged to the Catho lic Clergy in any other country whatever; for their authority was retrained by no law. It was quite without coatroul. Before the Reformation, the power Of the Catholics was not free from Legillative Rellridiona. There was a remedy againft the abule of Ecclefusflital Power. But now what was chi remedy ?—an Appeal to Rome—and what kind of redrefs was to be obtained from tio, an appeal ?If and perfecuted Catholics could or wouldiefott to it, 'he would leave it to the Houle to lodge. • The Catholic Clergy diffolved marriages on various grounds, not recognized by our laws. They for bid marriages with in certain limits of confatiguinity, contrary to law.— In fad, the legitimacy of children, and of cons re the fuccefiion to property, was made to depend in a great measure on their will- -The Noble Lord proceeded to account.for this by Rating, that the reformation had neverbeen perfed in Ireland,and that,canfequently,tbe Catholic hierarchy (till retained extraordinary 'power. The imperfect progrefs of the reformation he illuflrat cd by referring to the reigns of Eliaabith, James I. and the Protedor. Until the latter period, the Ca tholic Bifliops, &c. retained many of the Ecclefiatti cal domains. Thus, in confequence of the flow pro grefs of the reforMation, the Catholic hierarchy Rill retains a power without law—nay, contrary to law; and they tyrannize over the other Catholics. As long as fuel' a Body remained in that country, he-felt moil forcibly that it would be abfurd.to expel tranquility or contentment. There was nothing more remarkable, the Noble Lord laid, than the difference between the Catholics of England and Ireland. Having livedin a part of that part of the Empire where there were man; Ca thglies, he was enabled to fpeak to this difference. In thole parts of England where Catholics ata reildeat, if one taw a farmer diltinguithed for temperance, cleanlinefs, and imindry, it generally turned out that he was a Catholic ; in Ireland it was directly the re verie. What could be the caafe of this difference He had afked an intelligent Englifh Catholic, and the teafon flitted was this—that Catholic Clergy in this country ltudied to promote peace ; but thole r.f Irelaid foubd tbeit'acc"Unt in !mining an oppplite cocrfe.' So much 'was he perfuaded of the juflice Of the remark, that the hierarchy was intereaied, and prone to excite dilturbance—that he lincerely lament ed that its abolition was neceffary to fecure peace. Nay more, he was thoroughly fatisfied that Inch an abolition would be highly grateful to the better in formed part of the Catholics themfelves, as it would be for the intereft of the whole body. This would be the more readily admitted when he Rated that peace and harmony were moll to be found in the di. ocefes where there was no fidliop, or where the Bi fhop did not much meddle with the parith That Billions were not effential, or defired by the Cath9lic parifu prieits, was apparent from the cafe of Canada. There the Priers' complainel °fa Billr+p's having been fent among them, allelghlg that har mony prevailed among them until fuch an authotity was placed over them. Having had communication with fame intelligent, corif,:ientious parifh prlefts irr Ireland, he had reafon to know that the hierarch, in its prefent (live was not agreeable to the people, and was peculiarly difagreeable to the more ialortbed part of the clergy. From thofe parifh priefts he learnt that they were afraid to be known to hold any cornmunica• tion with Proteftants, left they fhould incur the cenfure of their Billsops. Indeed this flatement was confirmed by a circumftance with refpea to Dr. Iluffey. A few Catholic fervants, in a Proteflant family, were in the Itabit of joining , in a certain prayer, which involved so difference as to any eloatinat point. The. prat tice, however, being repotted to 1)r. Huffey, he in; Itently forbid it, Rating as a reafon that, although there was nothing int' infically objeCtionable In the • prayer, its being read by a heretic was fufficient." 'And this learned and liberal Doctor, who was after wards conflated with that Union, which had in vieviw a feparation.from this country, iffited orders to the parith'prießs of his dinette to guard againft• fuch a practice in future. With refpe& to the character of the higher orders *of the Irifh Catholic Laity, 'they were of two de fctiptions—the one poffcffed landed property and old eltablilhed rank—the other were in pcifreflion of pro perty alto, but were new men. The former were interefted in the permanent peace of the country, and among this defcription of pea: ins, the misll dif tinguilhed perhaps we:. a Noble Lord, whole name ' was fuhfcribed to the petition on the table (Earl Fin gal) ; that Noble Lord was a man ofgood fenfe, loy alty and extreme moderation, sk hen left tohimfelf. But when he fubruitted to the advice of the hierarchy, his conduct bore a different appearance. It Wight be • faid, that what he had Paid tended to ffiew the pro privy of going into the propofed Committee. But no ; and for this reafon, that the changes he recom mended in the ltate of the Catholics Was not to be ef fected by legiflation ; it mutt come from the Catholics' therrifelves. That change produced, Many coned- ' lions might be made to the Catholic body, that it wottlk under the prefent cir:umllances, be'eriremely tintafe to agree to. Wherever religious eflablithments (horrid' be thought neceffary, it was indifpenlible• for its maintenance that polical power Humid attach to it. On the fame principle that thole who had no property, were excluded from political power, Mould thole who,are /guide to the Chu-ch Eitablifhment be excluded from the fame defcription of power--namex ly, that in either cafe tcutal power might tempt to. the elfin/lotion of an unfair claim of an erne' diviO' .firm. That the Pinteda,nt Religion was always deemed t ffential to the maintainance r.f.the Confti- Union, by 11111' aivellorc, the Noble Liinrquoted the cafe of the King of Sardinia, who aratrexeludedirom the Throne exptef , ly hfC.lllfe he was reasholic.-I.e-. curving to the difference between the Catholics of Ent land and Ireland, a riling from the different Condit '6 -1 dons of the Hierarchy, the Noble Lord cited The oatir s i tibia. was, notwithflandintr the objeLion of the Apof=l g4iieal Vicar, fuhfcribed the Catholics of Eng land in 4778, while the fame oath—namely, a Ted of Allegiance to a Proteridnt ftccel /ion eery, was refuted, by thk Catholics of Ireland.. The acceptance of this oath in the one safe,- proceeded from the fuperior informatinn of men, arid the refofal of it in the other fgom the fuperior influence yf th 6 Doctor Bracey wrote a pamphlet again() this oath, arguing: that it would be moirltrons to call on a Catholic to (wear, that he would not be faithful to a Britith So:. 'Weirs if that Sovereign &mid happen to be of the fame religi4m with hitnfelt; and this argomentilbe ceeded. The Noble Lord dated the means by which, in his judgmeot, the changes defired might be pro• duced in Ireland. If the Bible were tranflated into trills, he was pet fhaded that very good effeits would follow—that mirty Catholics would be converted to the eltablithesi Church. The Houle would recollect the confeqiiences that arofe from the tratiflation the Bible into the Wellh language. The Proteßant fer vice being relit/ in Ireland in the Eoglifh language, which numbers did not underdand, • was a great tin pediment to the converfron of Catholics... They on derilood the Latin Liturgy much better—haying it from early education by rote. The - Rate ofthe Church ' in Ireland was; betides, very bad; There were &too Benefices, siuly one thud:yid' of which had 'churches, and one ih.'uland of tilde had only foe glebe hotifes. Many of the 2.t00 berctic , zs were very valuable, and much fought after, on which there was pot a church, a glebe.houfe., nor a proteflant.. This teas a date of things that called loudly So remedy, .and means were in view to provide that remedy. The Catholic hierarchy Ihnuld be ru w modelled, and the Proteltant doctrine n • re indlifiri-ufly propagated. But to this it was indltrniabty r.,:celEtry that the Protedants thould be peife3ly Life. So much was this fafely now wanted, that there were many &thirds ist Ireland in which a Proiellant, unlets a man of for. tune, dare not appear. If he did, he would be int. smdiately driven away, or perhaps flogged in she got.: ,kible manner too ufual in Ireland. In confequence of this, in many parts, no fuch thing as a Proteditia labourer was to be met with. The great de .feet was, that the law was not fully enforced, and this was owing'to the hierat ci t y, who fait an intereft in ex citing the •paffians of the common peopie, a nd keeping divifion alive, in order to pits ent the &lotion of their followers. All Protedaros wete defci ihed as here ties, and this term was applied alfo to all Englith men, Both were regarded in the fame light ; and if the prayer of the Petition on the Table weregranted, he would venture to affert, that it would be unfafe for either to remain in any part of Ireland, except the North, where the Protellants are numerous. In proof of the perfecuting fpirit which exifis in--Ire land. the Noble Lord dated, that Catholic fervants would not fuffer a Protedant fervant to live among them ; and the poorer Prnteßants, even in Dublin, cannot fafely put their child en apprentices to Gen tlemen, if there happen to' be Catholic fervanti in the family.• The poorer Proteftants. are there fore obliged to put their children apprentices to handicraft trades. Viewing the Rate of Ire land as: he did, he repeated his conviCtion• that it was neceffary, though that, neceflity was very much to he regretted, to keep a lining hind over the Catholics, in order to fecure the perfons, the property, and the eßablifhment of the Protetlants. --This mud be done, or the Protellants mutt he abandoned. To conciliation he had ever been, and ever thuuld be a warm friend; but it !boob/ be the cor.tiliition of the C.itholie people in a different p.-1- from that propoled by the Noble Mover of the prepofition before the L ouie. He wmlld not be delu ded under the name of concil:ation to accede to the in ereafe of the power c) that hierarchy, from which the Catholic laity fhnnld immediately releafe them (elves. While they fubmitted to be the flares of loch * body, they were unworthy of th- fiefdom which it was the oiled of the Noble nurrer to confer upon them. • fter a few words from Lord HAWZ EIBUIt The LORI) CHANCELLOR, obletvine the beepers of the hour (two' o'clock) declared thar he thought it would be more convenient to their Lordfoips to adjourn than to continue a de bate which was likgly to ensajt their attention fcveral hours longe-. N. Lord HAWK ESBURY had no objeetlan to the adjournment, provided the queftinn was pot fpecificely as to the time of mum ing the debate. If it was put in general and indefinite terms, it mould have his decided negarive Earl DARNLEY prnpofrd that their Lord/Lips Choull adjourn the lkieffion to Monday rust. A DiviGon was then called tor, but their Lordlhips d'al not di vide: On the doors being opened for the readmit on of strangers, The Earl of LIMERICK was found entering at length Into tat fubjed before the Houk At aU events, his tordihip laid, he da not think that the prefent was.a proper moment for making more emieelEons to the Catholics of Ireland. EarI.CARYSFORT, as loon as his Lordthip had concluded. pointed out to their Lordihips the great impropriety of titbit continuing the debate to a moft extraordinary late hoar, or rife coming to a diorifion without Issuing the fentiments of many No. bte Lords who witted to deliver their opinion on the Ittijetit. is thishe was fupported by Lard OH:mill:, the Marquis of Buck. bighorn, and haul Darnley. Lord MULGRAVE was againft the adjournment paft this morning. The Earl of DERBY thought Monday would be moh wave. nient to rtimiy Noble Lords who hod other duties to ottani to. Lord HAWKE:SWAY theugreed to the proporrtioa. The quettion was put, and ousted MIL Adpurned to Monday. HOUSE OF COMMONS. , Mr.POYNTZ prefentei a petition from the Freeholders of St. Ailian's,Herts, relative to the Tenth Report of the Counniffiouers at Naval End:miry, Sir 'EHEOPIIILUS METCALF, as Chairman of the Commies tee on the Pin :ras Bill, requefted permiffion that they might fit to 'bonnie ; notwithfi anihng the adjourmneut of the Houfe.—Granted, The Houfe went into& Committee an the Irina Small Debt Bill; itieben the Report was received, and ordered to betaken into cnnT. &ration this day fortnight, and in the man time to be printed. SIR WILLIAM RAwLiuS •NrA MR. Cc.z• • On motion of Mr. FRANCIS FANS, the late Sberift Middlefet, Sir William Rawlins and John Alolon Cox, Efii. WWI .brought to the Bar to be reprimanded and then •difehargod, when die SPEAKER addrefibd them in the foll , wing terms: " Sir William Rawlins, and John Althun cox : Your coodudt • having undergone the kvete but jolt animadverfion of the Houfe, followed by a nee:Airy though keen. Sentence of punithment, it is fit to be underftood by the country at bete what is the aloraffier of your offence, and oo what rotted. you are delivered. I helium of, your offence is this: that you, being Shed& of Welled; at the time of the General Eledioo in iSos, and in your capacity of Returning Officers, witha view at .oving a colourable majority to one Member in preference to anOtter. did unlawfully, knowingly; and correptly,.allow of certain Ilditiotif votes, to the great preps , dice of another Candidate. That by fit doles, you have given the greafeft eneoaragetnect to perjury. and have mapifefied your par. tiat.ty by refufing to give reference to the butt cis aferment r io ' Ore::ter offences could not be laid to the chirp of Men id root . ' lituation and high ogee, to which you Were ratted by the favowei of your fellow dozens.. You hetmyed the moil important duel' vith 'which you could be entrusted ; betraying the priclepot your fellow fubjeas, the liberties of your country, and the flitution of Parilairieht. By resfon of theft charges, which bite been clearly brought borne toyou. toss were eotunikted to mien3lao , jefty's common jail'. of Newgate, the common reeepaack .af maleadors, there to remain as costparions with dusk prifooens. vrLo, by Virtue of your office, were committed to your cuftody alt" their ?veneers. This indelible Mark oldifgrace you have haltered, as a proper essnmle to others tit your fiturtion. leleverthelefs, it appearing by your Pennon, that your minds have been humbled. and that your err rs may be imputed to the improper and crimi nal advice by which you have been miffed. this Hoak is willing to believe that the ends of juilice are fatiafied, and you ire difeharged Cron paying your fees." The Sramtea's admonition was ordered' to be entered on the Journals. The Houk then proceeded to a ballot fot a Stied Coeollaitte• to examine into the expences of the Rosanney and Senfible, while ender the orders of Sir Home Popham. A hieffage from the Lords arequainted the Houk, that theta' Lordships would fend an anfwer to the requeft of the Commons, for the attendance of Lord Harrowby before a Seleu Cowman:4 by a Mefferiger of their ORM The Property Amendment Bill was reportEd, feveral &mold meats adopted, after which the Bill was ordtred to be eogrofed, and real a third time oo Tuefday,if then engeoikd SARI. ST. tritiCluT. Mr. JEFFERY (of Poole) renew td his motion of Tuefday left, for the produdtion of Naval Documents from 17S; to 1895. with a view to a companion be•weeo the Adniiniftration of Lord , p. Vincent' and that of Earls Chatham and Spencer; This pfms slimed a dikoffico of fame length; two of the motions sere with drawn ; theft refpeeted the norm of timber,and were objected to by blr Pitt, as expofing certain Sources from whence Supplies of timbtr had been obtained. Mr. DENT moved for a return of the number of pertins ap pointed I leutenanis, Lieutenants made Matters and Commanders and Poll Captains, during the reipeetivitAdotiniftrations tat hens Spencer and St. Vincent. The mot:on war afterwar ds made 01P extend to the Adminift ration of Lord CtuitLiui. ' ' CORN. Lord ARCHIBALD HAW:FON then brought before the Houfe the Subject of the various Petitions which had been prefent c.l againft the left Corn Bid, and concluded i Speech of confiders ble length, with moving, " That theft' Petitions be referred to a beh:dt Committee, that they 'do examioe the matter thertof, and report the fame with their opiniou thereupon to the Houfe.' • ' Colonel STANLEY feconded the motion, tappet which a debate of Several boom arofe, in which Mr. Coke, of • Norfolk, Mr. Wes tern, Mr. Fofter, Sir John Newport, and Mr. Curwen, were &Oink' the motion Sir Robert Peek, Air. Pitt. Mr. Parker Cook, Mr. ht•Dowall, Mr. H. Lafeelle.:, Mr Wm Sinith,Nir. Barham, Sit Charks Price. Sir Wm. Curcio, hlr. Alderman Cliathe, Nlr. Fran cis, and others, wee& for the motion: After a reply from .t.ord A. Hamilton, the Houle divided—For the m..tion 61—Againft it 40 ...-Maj• , :ify 33. • , • • • The Committee was then notninrred, and power was given to it to lit notwithftanding any adjoainment of the itoufe. Some time afo-rwaids Mr: Weiltrii gave notice, that nn Monday be . ihould snore of nialte this an open Committee, inftesd of a seld one, that was, time ail have voices WIG attend it.. , Adjourned.• The length of the debate in the Honk of Peers on the Catholic Petition, prevents cur making room for matters of lets int:reit. We mutt however Rate one piece of intelligence of whic4 the public are not yet informed, and which is of the greaten importance. On Thurfday tan, about three o'clock, a (pedal rnef fenger arrived at the Secretary of State's Office, with the treaty that has been fo long negociating with the Court of Ruulia, fealed and figned in due foi m.— This treaty is offenfiveand defenfive. and franc of the Northern Powers either are, or loon will be, parties to it. public may now confider the war as only . . in its commencement : Count Woaoki zow, the Ruffian Ambaffador at this Court, alfo received difpatches on Thurfday, brought by a Ruffian Courier, of the fame nature as thole alluded to above. LONDON: Printed and Publased by LEVEL KENT (of Can terbuy-place, Lambeth), at the STAR OTFICR, No. t, Carl- Amt. Fabliau:dig& at the STAIL Oencs a TCOVIS-Sat. 1 1