Star. — London, England, 1825-04-27 00:00:00

441"1011411r•Or•Ole‘ • ..jte; 1 .T ‘- . .. /.,„ PI N• .. 1. uttered by a distinguished Person in the other" ionse be felt that there wha the greater necess for losing no posing the Romad . Catholic Relief Bi Loud cheers) i( were not paaused.now;it might be placed the situation c approved-hy..hotis Houses of Pasilautent, and disapproved Crown. He hoped to Gfin that so painful a dilemma would never, after the declaration that bad been ma de.elsewhere, the duty of the Holm to do all in iti Power to avert so.afliktlng calamity, by (accelerating the Bill—(Loud cheers). Sir T. LBTH BSA DU E said, ttsat.he had tead.the speech alluded to with great delight ; it ought to be a source of satisfaction and confidence seithe. House. it was such to biro—(Hear, hear). „Sir J. SRI( DUES pal proceeding to praise the tnanly speech that t 1 beds uttered in ember Muse, when there Were cries of" Order order." the APEAICt .P. said, it was undosibtedt* diicarderly to anode? to - speeches uttered In the other House; he had hoped that Mem- 1 bens would feel as ritich,..which was the reason of his nut interfering. Sir .I. BR YpQ ES sulfserved, that be had only adverted to the' speech because others had hien allowed to comment on it without being interrupted. As to the great question, he should make every effort to resist the countenancing of the mummeries of the Catholic at the expense of the Pretest ant lieligion.—Petition to be printed. liir. HUME postponed, ull the 10th May, his motion regarding dier r a Leone. Mr. DEN ISON presested ePetition from Coggeshall, against the .Ikeff Duties. Mr. WELLS, la presenting a Petition from Maidstone against —il:l4ll9o4a,tholkClaims, expressed himself, frietkdiy as he was to Ire. land, against thoie claims ; and contended, -that It was all humbug to pretend that it was for the sa ke of the Culla& Religion that the concession w-- songht—k was for the sake at political power. ._ ...Al was 4. Mr. ItOBARTS regeetted the votes be hid heretofore given on tlfs question ; but After the speeches that had been made by the Seiretart of State (Mr. Canning) and the Attorney-General (Mr. Plsiiiken), he should hereafter not oppose any measure that went to afford concessions to the Roman Catholics.,—(Hear, hear!) Mr..). ssirrai tegretted the decision that an Hon. Member (WY. Wells) had come to, as he was in other matters the friend Of Ireland. cArtiout BILLS. .i.t • i . MC. Beiretary PEEL wished toknew tke course that was to be adopted respecting these Hills? Mr. LITTLETON replied, that he should move the second reading of the Irish Franchise Bill this evening ;—the proposition for the Catholic Clergy was postponed to Friday. Sir F. BURDETT said he proposed, that the House should p into a Committee on Monday. Mr. Secretary PEELubsersed, that the House having adopted the principle of the Bill, he should not divide the House on the question that the Speaker leave the Chair; but he should do so on the third reading. Sir T. LETHBRIDGE did not see any . reason for postponing the division till the third reading ; many thought that touch trouble • -would be saved, if the Bill were to be gut rid of, that it should be got rid of previously to going into the Committee. Mr. Secretary PEEL observed, that others might do as they pleased ; be merely stated, for the convenience of the house, what be should do.• He did mot say that some divisions naght not take p l ace on clauses of the Bill. ' Sic F. RUIWE'rr said, that in the event of being unable to bring on the Committee to-niFht , he 'Mild postpone it till Monday. resitiou ordered to be prints d. The Lords, ,by message, required a copy of the Contntons' Re-' ports of 1519, respecting the validity of the-doctrine of contagion by the plague.—Ordered. The Couttnittee on the Roman Catholic Belief Bill was post- POned till Monday ,on the motion of Sir F. Burdett. Mr. LA AIBTON preiense4 a Petition from Durham, against any alteration of the Corn Laws. Mr. W. SMITH presented a Petitlon from Norwich, with up wards of 13,000 signatures, for a revision of the Corn Laws. —Or dered to be printed. ' Mr. HUME presented a PetitiOn.from Ayrshire Operative Col liers for the bater regulation or ,tbi Trad4 between Masters and Joitrneymen.—Referred to the Cinniiittee air Conibination Laws. Mr. Secretary PEEL obtained leave coloring in a Bill for Pu nishment of COnvicts in Bermuda guilty of Murder, and to secure that they be tried by the Lawsof F:Alind. IRISH ELECTIVE TRARCHISE atm.. Mr. LITTLETON skid, that in rising to move that this Bill be now read fir the second time, he Must en treat the induliefice r‘f the House *bile he intletvoure.cl to explain the nature and objects, as *ell ai the adiaa tages of the measure. The motive by which he was impelled to WI it forivard sprung from the conviction ts , at the present made of exercising the Elective Fran chise in Ireland was pregnant with die ruin of the pro perty and population of that country. And he was the mote induced to chno'se the present time for urging it on the adoption of the Home, because he thought that any measure which should assimilate the exercise of the elective franchise in Ireland to the practice of England, which should tend todestroy the multiplication of ficti tious but yet efficient voters iftiongSt the poor, and for thq !note jzartCkthelic I pOpulatirin Of Ireland, was an • indispensable aCcomianiment Of a measure fOr restoring their rights to the higher orders of Catholics. From the,siOnitit of hlv otving k :nottee of this Bill a cry had lieeirtrat4 ag;ipst it, ilia dedirstrionsfy.prcipagated, on the alreged, g t ound of 'its being a. disfranchising Bill. z lie should. be able to stew the fallacy of this charge ; but below hepoceeded to do that he would just pt'Wnt out ib l it be lead Ictisilly * *gged fo r a .. , pOiti)oiletkieut of it to Ahis.day, is order to nuke the more effectual_ provisions for the protection of 'vested interests. With reference to • that &owe'" of oyection tort' s it 'Was material to observe iliac are Ait bY w ich the eleCiiie " franchise was ten .ivied, by 910 s. free oldeis in Irelinil, would expire in, the course of eight year; from the present time. He would howeieit, its once state, tfiXt the object of the provision Os hid . a4ided to his At fl was to Make it prospective only. its could he cope by enacting that all registries of fgeelwWs should be-good which uere made pending this 841, in l'agliainent. He trusted, therefore, the . Wyk, wonrcl'see that . ,tho Most unqualified attention had ,I*en paid Jo vested 'interests, The Bill was only calcu lated to check the creation of votes, not to disfranchise. .With referen . .e• to the object he had.in view, he would i t til i . :446ie; that irthe Irish leasehold voters had at all p i enilSled eliii . 4eciori. f This Ceitr i ntiy, he (Mr.•Littlet .n) would have been the last man to trespass upon them. But it was Ircanse he thought the sante characters in th.tivo "COttiittles were totally dissimilar , because he Ai:melt:the .preyailing_pii..itiCe, hi gtiliitid kept down the re freeholders of the country,CheCked n . t only the .elpsessitin,• but' absOlistely destroyed the existence of Itililla OihriOn, 'slid iiistad Of h e lm s, as in this country, ' is'iirOCe of 'itrAii - di to if e landed interest,..,ast Means , 6 —. e • .jfit.weagnesq. and degradati , n—lor these reasons, be wish. elthis Bill, to stop the fu rther p ro g ress of so Fa lk:6ns, a sysiens, to be • engite 1 .. ) 13, the term Free. inger.in k.;.ii,gland,,wis tifiliyAgpci ciiic Sir,holad gn ab. aidotO fee alliVie.. amountiog to Os. it also app moliedunt to -the holders of an anneiny or rent-chub to that a . There were also some few iiistances of vaiiation from Ilip ,ekt.vibii: ed,„rnle, in. ca(s o '. ls.,wrirr, ctitifilleti to .Bliitops' leasrs, aid some 4,)t. the 614ettlkornanC:ntiohc • t.ani.iei in the Country. The case WAS diferent in lie ' hind 'They . did not alWays fi nd • theme the learebolder " - ' treaholder 'in rf. e - s*.sinc cliaractei; as tie Log - - " ' . . 'existence, deFeriaent lite, scarcely scrapnig ireim his freehold as it re.iri 'for rent arid Vo ice "ig vengeance'of was ashamed to 547, Ihe authorities of the bear! J. —t ie was ~,#s to the hustior, to' were. be et nye' sant; he need scarcely, he-be• a ruled point in the Com t of Honour, that the Man who had been guilty of built a breach of the individual rights of another was bound to receive his fire without return ing it —( A laugh). —For fiirther particulars upon this iuterestiog subject, with ifilch he did not profess much abstract acquaintance, he would refer the House to his Hon. Friend, the Member for Galway . (Me. R. Martin), a highly accomplished Gentleman in these matters. The Catholic Priest alone was qualified to trespass upon these eletioneering preserves, and this he was enabled to do to the dangerous excitement of animosi ties. He hoped that every one who then heard him, had, in justice to himself, to Ireland, and his country, read the body of evidence upon the state of Ire land, with which they had lately been furnished, Upon that evidence he was content to rest his measure. They would there find the system of 401. freeholders reduced to the mere erection of mud huts upon a piece of con mon land; and to use the. phrase of one of the witnesses, that the electors were, in reality, but a" mere mass of mere rabble." Mr: O'Connell properly called them a part of the live stock of the land, and said that the creation of voters to any extent was the easiest thing in the world. In justice to Mr. O'Connell , ho wever,l he must add, that he observed it was still a great thing for the Irish peasant to have a vote upon a foity shil- Hog qualification—( Hear, hear). Who, indeed, among the friends of the Catholics would doubt this, when he knew that the power thus conferr ed had been of the greatest assistance in advancing their claims ? Mr. Wal -1 lack, of Downpatrick, stated in his evidence, that the I tenant has no freedom of choice whatever ; that his landlord always leaves half a year's teat ufipaid that he might suddenly distress him for it if be should be unfa vourable to his views. He also retained the power of lcutting off some of his privileges. Thus it would be seen that nothing could be more demoralising than this system. If an English County Member were to speak of distressing his tenant for rent, in order to mak e him vote in his favour, he would inevitably receive at the next election a dismissal from the honour of serving the County. In Mr. Blake's evidence the following ques tion and answer occurred : " Q. Do not you think a considerable outcry would be rabed in Ireland, if it was proposed to raise the quaked= of forty shilling freeholders r—" A. If the forty shilling freeholders were persons of independent property, exercising through their property a free choice, I think it would produce a very serious outcry; but I do not think they are persons of a description likely to Live much feel ing on the subject." —lf this Bill passed, it was to be observed that the Irish freeholder would gain an equality with the Pro testant, so far from losing anything—(Harr ):—But the landed propriewry would be most benefitted by such a change, in the improvement Which would ac crue to their property. There was one striking mark lof demoralization proceeding from the present system in Ireland, which be had not noticed; this was, the in-' terierence With the sanctity and obligation of an oath . which it caused. One of the witnesses declared that• the multiplication of oaths had the direct tentl , ncy to' create a feeling of indifference with regard to them. — This was among the greatest evils of the system. The first Act for limiting the elective franchise was that of Heury VI. enacting, that none but freeholders of 40s. a year should vote for Knights of the Shire. Blackstone observed, that this was founded in good reason, seeing that those whose interests were under this amount, were so completely valeta of the Lord, that they did not de serve to be trusted with such a privilege. It was to be observed, however, that few in this country since that had possessed forty shilling freeholds, without holding more valuable property. This had been the course with regard to England. How had it been with regard to Ireland? In the year 1798, Par liament gave the elective franchise to the peasantry. — The consequence, as might have been expected, was that the intention of the law was evaded, and the power fell entirely into the hands of Priests and large Proprietors of land, who multiplied the qualification as far as they possibly could. The Legislature upon this inter fered, and ordered that the qualification Should not be complete without actual occupation of the land. Still the old evils continued—new means of evasion were de. v.sed. A new measure came out, requiring that the freehold should be,regiitered one year before vbting, and should be renewed every seven years. An Act of the Session before last provided against the 'multiplica tion of votes by the means of joint tenancy. This was known in Ireland by the name of Brown's Act, and was decisive against the elective right of joint tenants. Here then was a distinct Act of Disfranchisement which went to dispossess the parties of the means of pro moting the success of the Catholic cause. He should be glad to hear from those Gentlemen who had sbewn themselves favourible to this Bill, what consistent grounds of opposition they could have against the measure he now presented to their notice, Ind which was destined to assist the cause of emancipation ? As to the amount of qualification it varied in the minds of different individuals from 51. to 101. and 201. The exact amount must sensain in the breast of the House. For his own part, he was afiaid 'Si. would be tantamonnt to 40s. as to the evils now felt; but he should • thin& they would scarcely venture to swear lithely to 101. obnoxious as that would make them to the notoriety of their neighboun. As to the advantages of the meabbre he thought it would operate as a bounty upon that class so much wanted in Ireland — he meant the yeoznanry-L-= ( Hear,. hear). He also thought that the purification of the elective franchise would be a greater security - to the Protestint interests and Establishment. He Was Con vinced, however in whatever way it might act , the' result would be beneficial to Ireland. He should beg leave to found his opinion iWthis respect, upon the say timents of two Gentlemen who had:given evidence, most opposite in their views, and similar only in their great talents. He meant the Hon. Member for Louth (Mr. Le.lie Foster) and Mr. Blake. The Hon. Member fur Lou.h was asked : " Q. What is your opinion of the effect of the operation of the e l ect iv e franchise, in respect to forty shilling freeholders, since the Act of 17937—A. I have no'besitation in saying (and I never met with any Gentleman who would differ from me in private,whattver be might say in public), that however beautiful in theoryit may be, to admit persons possessed of forty shilling freeholds to a partielpa= don in electing,their Itepresentadves, in practice it tends to any thing but their own freedom, or the assertion of their own privi leges; and that it has had the operatics of adding very considerably to the number of the existing population in Ireland, and still more to their misery. A more mistaken view of the subject Could not be, ti suppose there is any freedom o f choice practically existin g • part of those persons; it is a clear addition of Weight to the aristocracy, and not to the democracy, in elections." ..The Honourable Masher was also asked which way • contest would turn if the Priest and Landlord were length ' 1 ellretteied, destructidn of the fictitious freeholds in fee emple, as • irtfe coetact? He tmhesitiltlng y with his BM, to inse rt in it i ptterislon for t'le' tfieci *mild drive the Lidtftord out cf . .the well as those in estates for lives-4 House that he was mare weft& - N lie' thought the !kJ done it wheeseeer y ad C on vinced the fi . . Hear). He hoped he .... "- He also state , flint die effect of raisin iend He should be satisfied if a clause were 116066 would be, tokhroie the elections mot , into Han. Fr . le in his destrnction of the cuttous franchis than his , • hereafter from registering their fees, was afraid of the appearance of half a dozen holders now and .. Hands of the Protesiiits. If, then, his Honniirdhle to be inserted in the Bill precluding all alleged free rated to the County 11.4tes for tViCe acret of land. iii • Gentlemen in that House, why did he oppose - unless they could shew at the binii riWtlllitilltriteet this measure, watch , by raising tlfe'qualification, would becatise it Would tiorearetett of He was bound, however, td state with regard to this equitable nature, have a tendency to decrease the Catholic influence ? provision of this kind appeared to him oft he most pat of his Hon. Friend's sentiments, that he wi= lted g No person could be more desirous than he eat OS afp1;011 dle raise the quali fi cation to .501. He should next refer to principle vclin. of the Bill, if it were so imaged as tit 46 , 06 Jairt o P 4 to excluding none but such as ought to be excluded front ' the evidence of Mr. Blake, He was of opinion - that the uny upon the elective frattchbe.;—(When the ISM Elisitletwani IMF bands of the Protestant landholders would be strength ened by raising the qualification, and that this, the elec. Mr. BROUGH A M rose, amid repeated calls for View down the cries for " Mr. Brougham" were loed ,petrel), . tire franchise, would rest upon th e Constitutional basis —Sir, I approach this discussion 1 will an anxiety 'read, of property. Here he would stop, but that thete was one 'increased' by the consideration of,those very awful* tire further answer of this Gentleman's which he thought cumstances in which we are. I niust compleitt, ft comprised all the political and moral reasons for a meat every sincere friend of Catholic Emancipation, that we' sure of this natant . it was as follows.— ere called upon now to discuss a collateral qeestfonf 4 " A. The Act of 1793 took things at the wrong end ; it elevated the lower orders, and left the higher ht kstate of depression. The the Question, but is brought in as it li • t Catholic great which has no n= te==ary, or even natural connection With' security of the Protestants in Ireland is in the strength of property against numbers; what you bare done is to grant to the Roman Ca,- cholla a privilege in which number telb against property. and toie which is a 110 . .. were part and parcel of the Member for Westritinster's Bill, going on pa r t passe with it, I withhold a privilege in which property 'elk against nwnthcc - You ciao in legislature. There is a c l au se to iiidetik allow the lowest orders to vote, and you do not allow the higher or- that this Ball' shall . not ' take effect, " until we, the ders to sit. I certainly should consider in the settlement of the authors of t (Vholic Question , if ever It is to be settled, that the qualifica tion for the exercise of the elective franchise in counties, ought to lam a sincere — l am a warm—l will say, lam in en- this Bill shall hate passed anther BilVaas be reviewed and altered." thusiastic friend to the granting of C ttholic Ensanci- This was his (Mr. Littleton's) creed upon this question. A revision must take place. To at to rectify the pat;on. From the moment I could first cansidet the• subject, that has been my solemn opiiiion, founded on system by new machinery upon the old principle, w•aild only be to increase the evils in a more complicated conviction. From the moment I had an oppoftunky of making that opinion available, by my vote in Chet form. With reference to the character which the Hon. Member for Code Castle had given this Bill, viz.— place, and in taking a part in public affairs, that et* has steadily been for that measure. I was upon the a Odious, unconstitutional, arbitrary, and tyrannical i' point, as I had hoped, as I had flattered myself, et' he could not help suspecting that much of its odium, seeing this great measure accomplished at a moment in his eyes, proceeded from its tendenc y to seduce some when, Gnu knows, it had become essentiaily- necea of the Honourable Member's new recruits, and inflict sary, and w ent, of supportat that moment ing a m eas I am placurewhich ed in this cruel rt the disgrace of defeat upon the old adherents of this predicam appea falling cause—(Bear). There had been a great deser- on the face of it (though when sifted it may not ap- - i dol to the popular side of the question ; and it would pear so to those who understand it, which I am kept ,become still more extensive. The qu estion could never from doin g ), to sound indisfranchisemenf ; or, I ant ' again remain stationary. This was the time for carry- to be told that lam impeding that measure froth being i leg the question. The Catholic Priesthood and La i ty carried which I hold to be vital, essent i a l , ' and shoe- s were prepared now to concede more than they ever lutely necessary to the safety o• Ireland—but I anr ,were before. They were now willing to subscribe to told-that one class of mea ale extremely pattial to the any conditions, and hold out the hand of fellowship, measure , and they are the sect which is a triumphant With oblivion for the past. He should not act honestly sect at the present period, but even they have had their if he did not say that among his c onstituents some were differences. his supposed by political economists, opposed to him; but the teeling, he thought, sprung that this measure tends to check the population of Ire more from antipathy than political judgment. For fits lend, and to check the subdivision of property ; but own part, he should never cease to be zealous in thecause. wben we come to lookH i nto, t he e evidore ence, another res. we see it is combust as he wails his conscience t h a t until Parliament granted quite the contrary. f, is *Mt just claims there would be no peace or security fur the em it& The Hossourable Member concluded by moving tbe second son, why' we should not swallow the do g matical opt* leading of the BUL neon of the friends of this measure , w i t hout in q uir y .. Mr. L. FOSTER (who rose at the same moment Now . another sect are those who say this; and to with Mr. Bammuest, and to whom the latter gave these my Honourable Friend (Mr. L. Foster) belongs, way) said, that after the appeal which had been made —He says that the Catholics have come for a ti c itt to him by the Honourable Gentleman who had just sat Laymen as well as Clergy, and bare voluntarily • down, he trusted he should be forgiven for obtruding to give up this in return for a more valuable Once:6l6n himself upon the House at this early period of the de. which they now expect. They generously agree to con bate. The evidence to which the Honourable Member cede this question, although they feel it greatly injuring had alluded was given in another place, under circum- them. There is no such fact in the evidence. One man lays stances of so solemn an obligation, that it must neces. the Catholic will be injured by this influence, and ea- Sarily express the precise opinions of his (Mr. Foster's) thee man says the Protestant would be injuterk Mrw mind on the subject to which it related. He had no O'Connell says- that the Protestants would be aff r cted hesitation in repeating here that of whichte was fully by this measure. The words in which liege nt isenade. convinced —namely, that the existing state of the in its granting words, a ise s the lawyers sa my y, by onour thei Honourable when he said this, it by no means followed that he was and Learned Friend, Mr. O'Con are, nell" I , who has deserve hink th at dly ; prepared to go the same lengths with the Honourable great influence among them, Gentleman, or to adopt the measure which he had raising it to five pounds, ten pounds, and twenty pounds, proposed. The existence of the evil was admitted, would diminish the Roman Catholic influence.' Bar but the path which was intended to lead out of it in the next page, namely, page 85, comes the real bode might be so replete with danger as to be worse than of the grant, to which f may venture to say this is the evil itself. If the Honourable Gentleman was pre- a crude opinion. "In my mind it would be l o pared to apply his-remedy to every description of fic- done away with. In my humble judgment, it wo4l titious freeholds in Ireland, he (Mr. Foster) was ready not be at all right to meddle with them." Th A is, this to go along 'with him—(Hear, hear). But if the forty shilling freeholders. And then h od oes oa to measure which he proposed was calculated, like the " lam of opinion it must happen ;" ahe thinks pro- . present, not to accomplish the end which it had in gressive improvement would certainly ensue. A great view, bin to place mutters upon *footing mote objec- - deal hae been said about the evil of a peasantry Wog tionable and more unconstitutional than they were enslaved by holding a forty shilling freehold, sad as now, and to give place to greater immorality then picture hasbeen drawn on the other side toobtain the even at present prevailed, then he (Mr. Foster) felt anxious attention of the House; but I have 'hardly compelled to withhold from it his assent.(Hear),— been eble to recognise,* single .feature of the i iiictuse The rock upon Which the Honoorable 'Gentleman's (Hear, hear; hear); or us perceive anything, 'in i la* scheme would be wrecked, seemed to him to be this herds of Irish that are brought to poll, that does —he carefully avoided meddling with the fictitious not apply to other places as much aSto that couy. freeholds when they mistimed the garb of fees simple What .will the Honourable Member for Staffordshire but he attacked them'with a bold-hand, indeed, when think, if I paint him a. `tire of a portion of England, they were only terms for lives. This subject had never which shall bear a strong resemblance - to ell thatte been alluded to in the evidence taken in another place. has stated Arelative tofreland?—(Hear, hear). 'Let us, -No questions relating to it were put to him, and for instance, take a county in England, rimcontain ,re it was not, of course, for him to obtrude his opinions great tenantry, all dependaet on one landlord, v on the Committee. . Here, however, it became a pro- of whom he g rants leases, but keeps them on from year' minent feature in the question b efore the House.— to year tenants at will. What difference will there fie; in the first /ear of his present Majesty, chap. 11, an though their naives shall not happen to be °Umiak- Act Was - pawned (one of the Six Acts) for regulating the nessy, but Thompson, or Jackson ? Whichever itimay amines of: taking the polls at elections. He believed be, they will be told that they will have their (frasns. there was no speech made on this occasion : he had continued to them On the sole condition that they - and' referred to . the •debates, and could find no mention all their sons become qualified, by holding , 4oa..free.• made of it, nor did he know by whom it was inno holds, to vote for the Knights of the Shire voot , tbat duceci; but he thought it wai"by the Hon. Member for the landlord it all intends that they should be:possessed. the Queen'sCOunty. There was nothing in the title of of a freehold—it is quite enough tor them tote lease this Bill - which coold induce any one to suppose that hold, or rather tenants at will, by which means: helps , its operation would be to introduce a wh ole host of it in his power to keep them in *rain, and to make use' Irish voters into elections. Let th e House look at what of them at the same time, for without ha tt they wool& the la* had been previously , and see what was its p re. be of uo avail to hint ; but I should like to 'canoe Sent operation. Formerly the freeholder in fee had been single instance in which the landlord's dictation is,orat 'required to register 'his title, and to produce the instru . imp licitl y obeyed—(Hear, hear). Do I complain of ment under which he claimed, swearing at the time he all this? Do I apply; for leave to bring in a 'Bill' to gave his vote, that he was in the personal occupation morels , it? lam aware that it is the natural. influence of the property in respect of which he voted. The pre- that must arise from property, the satne-influeoce that sent law, hrtweeer,•rettioved all those ritholesOme pre- exists in Ireland,.and therefore do-note kilns ommuismay cautions, and if the voter would swear that he was en. with the idea that it isan inconvenience •preuliaetorke titled (not that he was in possession), and without any land. While lam on this subject, I will say one word production of title-deeds, he was immediately qualified respecting perjury, since it is said that that is, the, prin. to vote. There were in Ireland many 'commons on cipal object of this B 11, and the. great whith some of the lower order of the peasantry had out of being able to destroy all such over aegis erdort Made *successful encroachments; and occupied 'no more if for once we leave the perjury of e 1-ctor Oa there none -Lad than was covered by the hovels in which they to be Inand in the eiccted ?—(Hear, hear) .I..astn.awsts dwelt. The number of those persons who were thus speaking of the county Tippeiary now, .hut- of. ;het() entitled to vote was so great, and for election purposes `or 12 squarefeet of the House in which ).strand-o(hfie.7, so important, that in some count.es they entirely crushed hear), —and yet among these llonosiable Gattleme 1,15 the forty shillistg freeholders, and put them hors de is :he fashion, when the theiry talk ha i: of ds the and petjury o Guts i f the I r e ash/ combat. Nay, he knew more than one county in whit!) peasantry, to hold up thank this description of persons returned both the Members. , they do not belong to such wretches. and to rujudown They seldom took the trouble to register th eir p ro p ert y , to the House vrithß I:sin their hands, that-theymayssave . that being done for them by some of the neighbouring the.soirls of the unhappy Irish cotters. Those cotters,• fiendemen. They had no landlords, and nobody to in- however, happen to be clever fellows, and it wooldnot Were with. or to controul them in the tortuous possession le much out' of the way if they were to thank those Vie,' had obtained. He hoped that he had said enough Gentlenen for the oar e they haveshewn for their-souls ;• on this subject to Jule the House the necessity of di-- and in return, beg that they would disfranchise them continuing such a system ; and be called upon his Hon. :elves in . the course of the next ..SS*Oll, as vier Friend, it he (Mr. Foster) should be • willing to go eh .vcre give.a.. to torderatand that therowasactutain Feu' a bona fide ireeliulder.:hlAte sate vi AciaAr ~,He thAgged up a ;Ili eiabie e ~ u pon-the otckluce of the boil , •or late kiVr - • e clear ahnital-pedat !nit % —rie 'v . /ie.' afirat iin gi ie. to W. WWI JitAhe , caprsi his it, ath I o,,acves th eless, c 1 - 'battled • 1 td go aittlualit belote II krtpil 11 1 19 Me 10WDtither pp te4. wttli tfia..hijsrcii ii*El isliextdigiariOn et which. vfer would perhaps diuPPtowl , lie n 14 . 'ISESEMC liesed, tell the How that thesaArotera_were not, like the contes Itlonday, 41ettors of, this ntryi saltitad Dr their vbilit' 10 come in time in was sidelsel pi t etilig n ti o gn Ilk 04 workint4 that die s). If h the ritislicossitito wilik h tar Itisti voter was 6144---;" li of being not iitqua i rd i _' , , He dWu in rtridibbit tlo canvass h aar fritd. ed by tbt a b t_, o ifirele .waiiin offetairifi fi tchinvariably tinslitrEat uld neva segi - - . 6 .... Te , i s was involved the dating tnnovator in all the consequences die Handl iffikring a If a hostile muting with the landlord and that it was Friend w - - . .-. -_c r 5............ 'bit this man who Catholic r S. •