Star. — London, England, 1818-04-17 00:00:00

0 , n ot at preterit intenW. W6r. the petuliar c oition of his Royal Highness the Duke of Cam 4 kik: should be brought to view, the House would feel..be his emoluments stood on the same rounds os those of a high military employment abroad. If Illostrlatts Person were considered sufficiently op erienced to command an army, and should he be p lied to that situation by some foreign Power, would I le contribute to lower him in the opinion of the plate of this country? If so, -how much would not a ch a principle tend to deaden exertion in th es s e pbe art ithe community to which' his Royal Highn l ong ed? In making this application, his Royal High- T ess was not seeking to increase his public income. Had he consulted his own ease and comfort he would toe declined his present alliance. But he had un detaken it at the persuasion of his illustrious brother, 'ad on public rounds alone. :de BROUGHAM could not remain silent, after the remarks of the Noble Lord on what he had said. .4s ill-natared observation might often be spoken in 1 cool way ;but nothing, save the Noble Lord's tem per, could excuse the expressions he had used, when he had represented him (Mr. Brougham) a s havin g attempted, in the whole course of his speech, to run dovin the Royal Family. No man of cool judgment and ordinary temper, having heard that speech, could have thought that its tendency, any more than its in-. tention, was such as that imputed to it. For no man could have been more guarded than he had been in the little disapprobation, for it was not even blame, which he had expressed. But the unwarrantable at tack of the N oble Lord had been made to lead the Committee away from the merits of the question to those of the individuals concerned. He had been amazed at first at the charge, and could net recollect on what part of his observations it could have been founded; but, with the assistance of reflection and soma of his friends, he thought it might have been grounded on the allusion which he had made to the timetable event which last year destroyed so many h o pes, and affected so many hearts. He had been fa, ceever, from drawing any comparison between the illustrious Princess whose loss had been so de : her surviving relatives. What he had chiefly directed against the application made addition of 40,000 i. a year, and not against • part of the conduct of the Royal Persons This could be proved from the argu ich he had used respecting the Duke of ad; for he had positively said, that it be louse not to enter into the character of in- In fact, nothing could have betrayed the. Lord into so complete a misrepresentation, itated state of his feelings, in consequence' events of last night, and of the preceding ,ASTLEREAGH agreed with the Honour- Learned Gentleman respecting the necessity temper and good humour ; and he hoped he •tys carry on his observations in the spirit recommended. It was possible that he :onceived the speech of the Learned Member; not meant to say that an invidious com a been made between the lamented Ptin• her surviving relatives, but that, in some speech, a strong attack had been made on :ter of two illustrious Dukes. OUGHAM thought that the Noble Lord been dreaming, as he had never said any DOUGLAS thought that Ministers did by consult the dignity of the Royal Family by which they pursued ; for lie believed that ad severely suffered by what had taken ithin the last three days. It was easy to dig.: which were the real friends of the Royal i-chore who would not allow the character of itself to suffer in the country by flattering Is, or those who would diminish the public for Royalty, by pressing for an unnecessary' ation of die public burdens, under the spe- Iretence of maintaining the splendour of the' family. But the language of Ministers with 1 to the proposed marriages of the Royal was as unbecoming as their conduct in press an unnecessary increase of the public e:.:pen- The Noble Lord and his colleague (Mr.l ~ had, indeed, talked of those marriages as were mere Dutch contracts—(hear, hear.)— . way to secure the stthility of the Throne secure the affections of the people. What :erred upon this occasion, through the inde :e of several of the respectable Members of tome, had, he was glad to see, operated very roach the People to their Representatives ; conduct of Ministers deserved universal exe (and he could use no other word) for making, anion to the Crown a grievance to the Peo ,lleari heat.) • CURWEN contended, that the present vote Man from a total want of feeling on the part isters to the burdens and distresses of the pee ' the individual for whom a rrovision was de -1 en3cyed no other income than what had 'anted out of the Consolidated Fund, he (Mr. i) might not have objected to the present vote. thought that the large sum which his Royal ,ness received from Hanover should he taken consideration. Should that illustrious person be red from the sirJation which he held in that int, and should an application like the present made, he had no doubt that it would he suc- As the ease now stood, he should VOW the motion. WILBERFORCE conceived that certain ex were unavoidable when a man married, and 100/. a year could not be considered an extra provisica. With respect to the income deri , the Royal Dui:: from Hanover, it was one of the House knew nothing, for it had nothing with Hanever, and would be more likely to than to gain by the :onnexion, if any were for; He reprobated the iystem which prevented . • meriage of Brit:sh Princes according to th e feel ,if their hearts. and had never understood why P rince of England• having passed his twenty-fifth ' tr ! ts net permitted to avail himself of the clause Marriage Act, by which he might contract Proper alliance, o f hi s own c h o i ce, at the end of , tnuntlis. He would not pry' into private lif e , e Isere c i rcumstances which could not fail to tarn and to cause three inflarace to be felt.— wttion which lived in every heart for our la ata Prir.cess and her admirable nunhood, was ' II W u.eir' • ehcelleot conduct in private life— - ••!Igo• s_ . 0 R.V0: 411.9r7 r*-1- 73 . •;'‘lf (Hair, hear.) That. Was an Union, riot of policy, bet goolindl tisc. He had seen t hat sti gi. e f em al e . • cii 11 iisb ii elle». ) The It =harable iiiiitleiiii it knelt eieltiia of hearts, and contracted in the true irit of a Br:- at the Court of Berlin, and had , as well a s other to the sense of the Committee. tish marriage. Similar praise was d ue to the Duke Englishmen, received great civilities from her. If Sir T. ACIEL.O,ND said, that if any One :het: and Duchess of Gloucester, than whom no .one stood such a tote as that suggested by the Honourable could ten.: more than another to prejudice the cats so high in the.opinion of the country, for the excel= Member were put to the House, it would be impt- tion betlite the Committee, it ivas the part letterly lence of their conduct in private life. ,He did not rative on them to sipport it. taken by thisc p(rsons whb wished tb bring it to 3 mean to make any invidious comparisons. He ac- I Lord CASTLEREAGH said he intended to move division, decidedly hi oppositien to the gmerous die: knowledged, on the contrary, the merits of some of , a Resolution to that effect, when the present was positiont raj !' the House--(hear, hear.) Nbthing could the Royal Dukes, who were foremost in promoting 'disposed of; 'be more oto the eonifort of the floral lloute, every charitable and beneficial institutien. The esta- Mr. WROTTESLEY could not conceive that the and to that domestic peace which they were sb anxi _ blishment now proposed appeared to him consonant Marriage contracted by the Duke of Cumberland ous to cherish, than the example which had been with moderation and sobriety, and such as the House was one which should debar him from the means of iven by the Noble Lois! to his ill judging friends-= f could sanction, with a just.regard for the state of the supporting his illustrious consort in the rank Which Hear, heir! and toad cheering.) He vretild put it country.-£6OOO per annum was a sum which might .she hell The ground on which the vote for a grant airly to the House, Whether it was possible that the be considered due to his Royal Highness, and which on a former occasion was refused, was the uncer- dowry could possibly_ be well received, if the settle he had no doubt would be thought fair and liberal tainty whether the Royal Duke would reside in this meet sought by the Duke Of CuMberland was nega by all parties. He concluded by wishing that his country. Many persons then went on personal rived on a division?-.hear, hear.) He shoOld al:- Honourable and Learned Friend would withdraw his grounds ; and many on the ground of novelty- stain fnliti involving himself in the arguments which opposition. -(hear, hear.)-But nd body Tied a right to canvas had been formerly used, and to Which an Honour= Mr. BRAND would not consent to let so large a the privase conduct of any body in that House. He, able Gentleman had so sedulously invited hiM— sum be voted out of the public money. He a for his own part , weeild say, that if dignity, and (hear , h ea r. ) He should vote in p erfeEt consistence that the emoluments derived by his Royal Hig hness ss amiable manners in private lite, entitled any one to with the manner in which he voted before: He never from his situation in Hanover, ought not to be taken the goodawill of that Hodge, no one deserved it more could consent to 'the provision sought for, and he into consideration ; but the House ought to ascertain than the illustrious person in question: and it would knew that his - sentiments were in unison With those whether its grant would be spent in England or in be an act at once unmanly and inhuman, to refuse of many Members of the House. He should hope Hanover--(Hear.)--He should vote against the mo- her the justice to which she was entitled. that the Reuse would follow the excellent path which non, but should support any other tending to place Mr. FORIStS said, if the grant to the Duke of hid been chalked out foi them, and that u p on the the 6000/. as a jointure on the widow of the Royal Cumberland were refused, he would not insult the question of the dowry, they would judge by that Duke, if she should survive him. Duchess by voting for the proposed dower. He had part of the conduct of the Duchess of. Cumberland Mr. TIEItNEY expressed the high respect which as many opportunities as most men had, of hearing olich they had seen, rather than by that of :Which he entertained for the Duke of Cambridge, but having the sentiments of the country respecting the Duchess ; they had heard-{hear, hear, hear?) long professed himself a friend to economy, he must and he put it to the feelings of the House, whether Isofd STANLEY should oppose the ntsolution. not now suffer himself to be guided by his feeling% ft would be fit to insult her, by refusing the vote He had not been present when the propeisitidn fur a The votes of this night should not be measured be . that was now proposed, after the exemplary conduct provision was formerly made, but if he had been in the distresses of some Members of the Royal Family, she had observed ever since her arrival in this coun- the House he would have voted against it--(heer)n hut by those of the country--(hear.)-He could not try-none of the reasons for which this grant had Since then he had heard nothing which could induce agree that the Royal Duke's situation in Hanover been formerly refused did now exist ; and the House hint to eltet• his opinion, and he hid no scruple in should not be taken into consideration. It supplied was now bound to give a different rot:. It was sup- saying, that that opinion was in a great measure him with every thing which he wanted, and with a posed that the Duke of Cumberland had turned out connected with the morality of the marriage (hear). 'sum of money over. For there was no fixed sum the talents ; but however that might weigh with some He was as ready as any man could be to give alldue there apportioned as oar Civil List, but it came in Gentlemen opposite, it could be no re non why they praise to her Royal •Highnets for the conduct she h.,4 the shape of pocket money, and all that would be should vote against it on this occasiee. He would pursued while she was in this country ; but this could given him here would only go so accumulate and in- . venture to assert, that the refusal to grant this al- make eo difference in his vote as to the provision or crease his private fortune. Would the Noble Lord lowance two years ago met the disapprobateen of the the Duke of Cumberland-( War, hear). say that if the present vote were rejected his Royal people of England. There was no reason why the Sir F. DOUGLAS thought it right to state. that Highness's marriage would not take place ? He was Duke of Cumberland should be passel over in this his vote upon this occasion would differ from that convinced that it oas not the Duke of Cambridge, arrangemint, and he would divide the House, and which he had formerly given ; and the alteration he but the Noble Lord who pressed for an establishment insist on a division on this question. He despised rested upon the grounds which had been mentioned -(hear.)-It was true that his Royal Highness might every idea of popularity or Court favour. He was by his Right Honourable and Learned Friend (Sir not remain in Hanover ; then it would be time to neither for Ministers nor Opposition; but at the same William Scott). He opposed the grant to the Duke propose a grant when hi should return. But as he time he should vote according to his conscience, ac- of,Cambridge, because he thought it unnecessary. was,the youngest member of the Royal Family, it was cording to his sense of propriety, of justice, and hu- But, in the present case, a strong , case of necessity probable that he would remain in his Government manity-(hear, hear.) was made out. He could net patiently see a P.owel many years, and 18,0001. which formed his present Lord CASTLEREAGH applauded the manly Prince of this country dependent upon the charity of allowance, would be equal to at least 50,0001. in that speech which he had heard from the Honourable a foreign Power-(hear, hear, ',car).- country. Could it be stated where the Royal Duke Gentleman who had just sat down. He felt persua- Mr. (lURNBY thought, that as a grant was Made and his Consort intended to reside ? If the Noble ded, that the Honourable Member spoke the opinion in favour of the Duke of Cambridge, there could he Lord would state, that withotit the sum now propo. of many in the House, and he begged it to be un- no objection to that which was no w p r op o se d. He sed it would be impossible for his Royal Highness to derstood, that he b y no means abandoned the right saw no reason why an exception should beasimitted, contract his marriage, he (Mr. Tierney) should vote of pressing the question to a division in the observe- and he protested against the cruel insinuttioes which for it, but not otherwise. tions which he had previously made-(tear, hear).- were thrown out against the Duke and Duchess el Mr. SHARP expressed his intention to vote against lie deprecated the idea, however, that any distinct Cumberland. the measure. tion would be created between the Duke and Duchess Mr. HANIIIERSLEY felt it necessary to state the The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER con- of Cumberland, even if the resolutions were nega - reason w hic h induced him to g ive, u p on the - p resere tended that the emoluments derived by the Royal tired. He aLsoclaimed of the House to recollect, in occasion, a vote different from that which he Lwi Date from his situation abroad, should not be taken going into the division, that he hesitated at first to come to upon the former question. The alteration into consideration. They did not arise from a sine- force the question until he saw what the sense of the was produced in'his mind, by a series of letters that cure, but from important public functions. Would House was likely to he upon it, and this he did con- had been sa:flitted to his perusal by the illustrious the Mon. Gentleman ram= that a message should fessedly with a view of not prejuiicing the cause. personage most interested. lie was not authorized be sent by the Crown to announce that his Royal Sir WILLIAM SCOTT, though r.ot in the habit to trete that correspondence to the House; but he Highness had resigned his appointment? - - of offering his sentiments upon questions of this dc- felt himself at liberty to inform the Houte, that it Mr. OIETHUEN should vote against the grant, scription, could not resist the present opportunity cf clearly sheaved to him the great injustice with which because it was only brought forward to endeavour to expressing his etancuttence in the testimony which her Royal Highness was treated.. The correspon make another go down. though it had already been was given, as to the character and conduct of the dente began with a proposal for her marriage, and rejected by the vote of the House-(Gear, hear, hear). Duchess of Cumberland. No man who had known her first letter positively stated that she could not Mr. PLUNKETT had wished to find some sea- any thing of that conduct, could deny that she had consent to it, unless the consent of the Crown had sortable ground to justify the vote proposed, but had discharged all the duties of her station in the most been previously obtained-( Order, order.) not been able. He did not mean to say, that on the distinguished manner. He was satisfied, that upon Lord CASTLEREAGH rose to order. He snarl marriage of a Royal Duke some augmentation of this point there was but one sentiment prevailing in that the correspondence to which the Honourable income might not be necessary ; but it should be li- the House. As to the other part of the question, he Member referred, was not before the House in any mited both by his necessities and by the ability of the' trusted that the Committee would calmly decide on it. shape, and it was totally foreign to the question. country to grant it. He wished to know exactly in If the grant was refused to the Duke of Cumberland, Mr. lIAMMERSLEY was sorry if he had corn• what situation his Royal Highness was placed, and the grant of the dowry to the Duchess would nee- municated to the House any thing improper; but he finding that whilst a provision was forming for him sarity be accompanied with a stigma, and a stigma conceived it to be a matter of much importance, to in this country, he enjoyed an excellent one in ano- for which there was no rational or honourable ground place tie character of the Princess in its pu e and pro. ther, and this addition was merely to accumulate and -(Hear, heal) -The reason why the grant which was per light, and to remove from it the stigma, which increase his private fortune, not to assist his wants, formerly proposed was refused, was on account of the was affixed to it unjustly. He was about to say he could not consent to support it with his vote. imputations thrown out against the character of one Lord CASTLEREAGH rose again, and said that Mr. PROTHEROE also announced his intention of the illustrious personages. But those imputat ions th e H on. Member had himself acknow ledged that be to vote against the motion. were, he was happy to find, new done away. Her was not authorised to state any part of the corm After a few words from Sir Vtheetem Btienoecus character was then aspersed, because it was not spondence to the House.-(hear, heap). and Lord CASTLEREAGH, rendered inaudible by the known-(hear, hear.)-But now that the House had The CHAIRMAN.-If the Hon. Member perse loud cries of " Question! Question !" the House recognised the worth and excellence of that charac. were, I shall deem it my duty to take the sense of thr divided- ter, they would act, in his mind, inconsistently; and Committee upon the propriety of the proceeding. For the Motion - - - 177 without judgment, if they refused to make the pro- Mr. II AMMERSLEY would bow to the *nee of Against it 95 posed provision for the marriage of the illustrious the Committee, if it were against him; but he shots! )Majority in favour of Ministers - ...--82 pair. Upon this ground alone, he would call upon continue to state, the impression which that .conee Lord CASTLEREAGH next moved, that an an- the House to act consistently-(hear, hear.)-The spondenee had lett. upon his mind was highly falsest*. nual income, not exceeding 6000/. be granted to the grounds formerly urged had disappeared, and there able to the Duchess of Cumberland. Princess of Hesse, in case she should survive ths was no reason why ti.e Duke of Cumberland should Colonel BERTIE said, that if the grant had not Duke of Cambridge.-Agreed to, nem. con. not have a provision equal to that given to the other been made to the Duke of Cambridge, he shoulO THE DUKE OF CUMBERLAND. Pri nces--(hear, hear.) - have opposed the present resolution, from his sem Lord CASTLEREAGH said, he had next to call Mr. PROTHEROE regretted that the Noble Lord of duty towards the Royal Family. . the attention of the House to another illustrious indi- and his friends seemed so ready to take advantage, The Right Hon. W. ELLIOT said, that no ma vidual, who had contracted a marriage some years he would say an unfair advantage, of the generosity was snore anxious than he was, to see every membe ago, with the consent of the Crown ; and be should which was manifested by the House at the opening of the Royal Family suitably providedfor. But WI feel that he shrunk from his duty, if he did not bring of the debate upon tliis Resolution e -O/o id cheering). was necessary to considereheir situation, it was ne the present vote under the consideration of the House. But he hoped nothing would induce the House to re- cessary to consider also the means of the country-o He did not observe that the individuals who had op- tract its deliberate and solemn decisioo-(hear, hear). (hear, hear.) In smaller States, the provision made posed this vote on a former occasion, were disposed An Honourable Gentleman had said , that the sense for the Governments of them were in proportion now to agree to it ; and if he did not find the send- of the country was against that decisitta ; but, from their ability. This country, was certainly a great ments of Gentlemen more encouraging than they his observations, he could Say, that if ever there was and an opulent country, but at the present moment formerly had been, he would not press the motion. a vote of the House which gave more satisfaction to it laboured under severe dtstress-(hear, hear.) He concluded with moving, that an additional sum, the country than another, it was that alluded to- had nobly sustained a long and an unparalleled core not exceeding 60001. be granted to his Royal High- (hear, hear, hear). If the House would now retract test, and it surely deserved a better return from the ness the Duke of Cumberland, to be paid from the it, it would, he was confident, fill the country with House, than the imposition of new and tumecessery sth of April, 1818, out cf the Consolidated Fund, to disgust, and bring the proceedings of Parliament into burthens--( heardrear.) When he stated this view of support his establishment on his marriage. utter contempt-(hear,. hear). Nothing which had the condition of the country, he knew it was capably Mr. BROUGHAM observed, that from the man- been yet urged would provoke him to recapitulate of emergingfrom it; butgreat distress still existed any ner in which the Noble Lord introduced his motion, the argu me n t s which had been used upon this sub- these was no way of inducing the people to bear we it was evident he did not expect it to be successful. ject upon the former occasion. Gentlemen talked of it patiently, but a sympathy for and a participation He would, however, oppose the motion, exactly on consistence-(hear, hear). But he hoped the House it, on the part of those who were in eminent static* the same principles he had done before. He had no would imitate the consistency pursued in this regard, The House should never forget the principle of tie objection to grant a dower to the Duchess of Cum- in a very high quarter-View, hear). duty which they owed to the country. He confesse berland-(hear, hear) -in cane she survived her royal Mr. WHOTTESLEY explained. He was pro- that in the case of the Duke of Clarence, there w. consort. With respect to that illustrious female, he ceeding t o r ead f r om the Reports of the Debates. the , some necessity for the provision which was mad* had not the hoaqur of knoWing her ;but so far as he speech of an Honourable Baronet, which was deli- but as to the junior branches of the Ro y al Family, he toeld speak froth general opinion and belief, he con- vered upon the former proposal of a grant to the thought tiles were provided for with sutfician liberee sidered her condol et ever since she came to this coon- Duke of Cumberland, when he was called to order. lity- {hear, hear.)-In his view they cottatitie try, as irreproachable and exemplary ; and it was The CHAIRMAN.-It is generally admitted, that had no claim for an additional provision, upon theu most unjust, ungenerous, and untrimiy to withhold no reference can be made to former debates. It is marriage. The same principle which had induce, from her that reward of merit and preeminence to true that the rule is sometimes violated, but it nuelit him to vote before against a grant to the Duke , which she was entitled-(Loyd cries V Hear, hear). nevertheless to be observed as strictly as possible. I Cumberland, still operated upon him. The present Lord lOLIKESTONE said, he had opportunities Mr. WROTTESLY.-I hope I shall be allowed to' eroposition was certainly not advised discreettr, and of knowing that a great part of the prejudices ex- slue, at least the substeoce a the arguments used in he was sure that it would not be for the character o cited against the Duchess of Cumberlaad were wholly the sp ie ch, to which I have alluded.-(Ordee-nhatr, 'ta c House to ictract the vote which they had foe. COMMILIee a. those of the i amazed at firsi on what part e f o unded ; but, soma of h;s fri, grounded on t lamentable eva b oit es, and all far, however, 1 the illustrious Floral and he i . I .Lid was chieB lc: an additim 4:aly other part l cencemed. 1 • ter.,t which 1 I Ciaraberland ; • tune the Hon c e.viduals In Noble Lord i a care the irrita el the events - Nn . .1412r. i Lord CAT s able and Leal e ef good temp aeaki always, 4 'rich he re( 3 hal misconcei .) -ifs he had lac . 7rison had b tESS and her I iv: ri the sp T t:z chartcter e !I:. I3ROI e r -.. !live be I :Z-. thing. .) Mr. I'D( d. 7 0 171e1111 CO Li tle course i A t;gnity had a ',ace within id criminate wl in hinily--the or Loyalty it* ts iiiiriduals, se 2feetion for Lsgmentatic ct taus preten In Fanti ed respect to at Dukes was be Lig for an c . 0- t'aure. 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