Star. — London, England, 1802-03-30 00:00:00

' the t'r'ice was by hi:: word. In .hoofing between two tails, let us chook the leaft,and certainly lets tnifcluel will tc f ult to the tottatrr frorn a tempo rary abridgement of that royal fPleadottr, gaud, I agree with the Right Hon. Gentleman, has ne ver been very confpictious of late, than tff tief paffing on the already too much &prated funds of the public., for the payment of a million of debt. If the Houfe determines on paying only a certain part of this demand, I hope the claims of the tradefinen will be &It attended to ; that the claims of jutlice will precede thofe of gene rotor, and that if any daft of creditors (hall be overlooked, it will be thole by whole imprudence the debt of the Civil Lift has lb enormoulle accu mulated. With the return' of peace I trult we than have to witnefs alfo tile return of liberality and juftiee ; and that a mail than not be confider ed.lefs a friend to Monarchy, becaufe he lhould differ in opinion with Minifters, or oppofe even the fentlments of the Monarch. If in cunfidering the growth of the debt of the Civil Lift, 1 ihould be told that it was natural to exiled that it flmuld advance in proportion to the debt of the nation, or the expence of the war, I (tumid fay, if there was to be any , proportion, it ought to be In an in srerfe ratio. Ido not think the influe.pce of the Crown would Coffer much by abolifhing many of to offices in the houfehold which appear to be perfea finccures. Such, and like meafures, would loon operate to remove the embarraffinents of the Civil Lift. I repeat it, that nn injury could refult to the influence of the Crown from this retrenchment, for that influence is ton ftrono and extensive from the increafe of the nationafdebt, the army, navy, and other caufes, defcribed by that learned Commentator Blacklione, to permit the leaft alaryt upon thatground. no mg the items Rated by the Right Hon. Gentleman, there was one whit was particularly harlh, grating and diffonant to my ear :—I mean the Law eepeneen. There were two dekriptions of perfons who fufferad from Oleic late expences ; forte that were tried after long confinement, and who for the greater part were acquitted, and of courfe I mull prefume their; to be innocent. Without going into the eta:llion Whether the charges aoainit thek onfortunate men were generally groundlefs, it mall be obvious that, by fu the greater 'somber were cruelly treated for the)' were held for years in the moft horrid pri fens, and liberated without any mho- charge be; log exhibited ngainft them, than blab asgloomy futpicion, excited by tit.: maligaa mventton that hired informers could fuggeft. Well may the un happy fufferere under ilia an abominable fyliem exclaim to you-" you have robbed us of our li berty...-you have confined uswithnut a charge; you have deftroycd our prokflions ; you have overturn ed our charadlers and property ; you have fent ortr wives and children to leek fubtiftence from public charity ; you have indemnified our perfecutors;-.- ' you have prevented its from feeling redrefs againft them at law ; and now you come forward to (queen the lafi remaining penny front our pockets to pay for our oppreflion." I cannot give my alfent to a propel - mon for taviog the country tor any puronfe to odious. Intlead, therefore, of the mot bon before the Houfe, however I may eltecm the Monarchy, or however I may with for every thin , that can promote the cafe, happinek; fplendo.ir and • glory of the monarch, I Ihould recommend an ad drefs to his Majefiy, in which the Houfe lhould, with becoming &tuners and decorum, tell his Ma jelly, that it would be more agreeable to the prin.' cipies of the Conftitution, more conducive to the advancement of his own reputation, and to the in terefts of the people, to quadrate his expences by his comings in, to afford force guarantee to the country againft any other fuel: application as the prefent ; and not minding what fycophants might recommend, refort ; whenever he should have occa- fun for advice, to Parliament, the only depofitory .Of the public will. Such would he the niuft con. Mien' line of conduit in his Najdly to put Cue, and in this Houle to recommend. TheCumiCILLOR of theExciticiute complained that the Hon. Gentleman (Mr. Fox) had milun. del ftood or milialed his arguments in feveral in. fiances. He had dwelt considerably upon the grants that bad been made at ditteient periods to the Civil Lift; but be forgot to take i.ito account the charges that were laid upon his Majelly's income. The Right Hom Gentleman here enumerated the va. l bout funs recently paid by his hlajdly for diffe rent branches of the Royal Fami .ly, which charges fill continued to Weigh upon the Civil Lilt. He Wax alfo acceded by the Hon. Gentleman of not having pnderflooo what Mr. Burke intended Ihould be the elfea and operation of his Bill. He certainly never pretended to fay that the author of that Bill did not intend that it Ihould aft as a check on the expenditure of the Civil Lift. But what was the fact ? In 1792 were not accounts laid before the Houle, which Ihewed that the Civil Lift was in debt? Did not the Right Hon. Gentle man (Mr. Burke) then fee that the proviftons of Isis Bill did not fulfil his intention, and that he bad not then room triumphantly to declare that the Civil Lift epuld contract no farther debt ? In ' deed he did not believe that that Right Hon. Gen tleman then wifhed that the provitions of his Bill &mild be effcaual. Mr. Five role, to reply to Mr. Fox, and entered at great length into an explanation of the items oo which that Gentleman had animadverted. He denied that the fubjeft of the Annuities was of that importance which the Hon. Gentleman with ed to attach to it ; and if he would condefcend to it.velligate the bufinels with more candour and impartiality. he would And in many intlances, a Material difference from the defcription he had jnft now fo eloquently given. One inilance in pirtiettla With which the Civil Lilt hid been en. cdmbered for the IA two years was Goool. per therefore the bighell degree of t that there were not Rill many Lift, of which the Public were in :. With refpatto Mr. Burke's Bill, ion. Gentleman had thought pro .fer, n., fubjeet could be more un - The fad was, that when in by the accounts laid before the Civil Lift twa , in swear, Mr. n. bro.. • • fuilictent to &charge there arrears, and he re joiced at the circuinftanct. He well knew, al though the Public did not, the various little con tingenciea which *ere provided for by this Lift, and he Was confequently aware that a much larger Turn was neceflary to enable his Majelly to fuppart his dignity with credit to himfelf, and with pleafure to his people. Mr. Pitt Paid he would not now enter at large into this fubjee, which had ' already, in his opinion, been fufficiently difcutfed ; but little as he intended to fay, hill lets was need. fart' to be urged, in confequence of the explicit itatement which had been made by his Right lion. Friend Me Chancellor of the Exchequer. He thciuld therefore pals over the ftatement of Mr. Fox, excepting only one point, on which he felt him fellbound to make a few obfervations. The Hon. Gentleman had indeed been uncommonly fevers on the article under the bead of Law Expences ; but withotit arguing whether there were or were nut treafon or treafonable plots extant in the coun try, at the time when thole meafures were thmight need:try ; or whether, if it had not been for thofe vigorous exertions and precautions of his Majcay's I Government, we might not, at the rrefent mo , went, find fomething very like treafon in England and rebellion in Ireland,he thought it enough to lay that the judgment of the Houfe had been taken at the time, and thole meafures, fevere as they might 1 he thought, were admitted to be indifpenfible. He ! gave the Hon. 0 entanuch credit for the compalGon and fympatli y he had expre fled towards thofe whole conduct had brought them into fuch a dilemma; I but his compallion was indeed of a peculiar fort, and the compenfation he fpoke of was not a corn ! pcnfation for fufierings in cafes of convidion. I Some of thole cafes, indeed, were of fuch a flrik- I ing kind, that the Hon. Gentleman could not lealily forget them ; nay, he hoped they never , would be forgotten by him. It would be a queftion not a little cnriou• to know what portion of the goo,oool. would fall to the United hat-nen (a • Ise)), when one argument us deny the exitlence of treafon among them was their poverty. The Right I-lon. Gentleman laid, he would not pay oc cafional charges; btu by Mr. Burke's Bill, others are invefted with the power of paying any adJiti onal eliargcs, and in refutation of what he con ceived to be the leading points of the Hon. Gen tleman's argument, with refped to the payment of debts on the Civil Lift, he would prove that there had been r 7 one Reign fine.: the principle was adopted of granting the Civil Lift for life, in sshich an infianee has occurred of a 'debt not hay. ing been paid ; and no inftance of excels fo little worthy of Parliamentary jealouly as the prcfent. The firft excels was that of nine months,ending in April 1784 s at that time the Hon. Gentleman (Mr.. Fox) had been Secretary of State, and Lord George Cavendifh was Chancellor of the Exche quer. During the fall three months of 1783 there was an excels to the amount of 60,0001. It was impollible to hate the conflruftion of the par ticular claufe in Mr. 13urke's Rill, which was now the objet of difcuflion, becaufe from the mere wording of it, its intention was doubtful and oh. lcure. It was, however, very unlikely that Mr. Burke's great triumph was on the impoffibtlity of a debt : Mr. Burke was pefent at the time, and flid nothing to enforce loch a conftrudion. In 1786, when the haunt's came again forward, it was looked at with jealouly, and oblations were made to the debt, but they were objections far dif ferent from thole now (tarred; and no man could fay that there was any thing to forego.• In 1789 there was an application made for one prince who had come of age, and the Civil Lift was in con fecnience relieved from a certain expence to which it had been fubjed ; but this did not take place without much übfervation at the time fiorn feveral ' Gentlemen. Similar applications were made and agreed to at various periods. Before the war, he was happy to fay, that by (economical wattage ment, and by this alone, with pride he averred it, the arrears were In fmall that they were no objed to Parliament. On the contrary, during the war, they were confiderabic, and yet the fame fyftem had been afted upon, and the fame creonomical arrangements beet: purfued. The chief article in the excels, during the period of peace, it appeared was that for the expellees of Minillers at foreign Courts. But nobody would deny the great im portance, and even neceffity of fuch Minifters.— With refped to what the Hon. Gentleman had termed ufelefs expenditure, in the inftance of Lord Whitworth, who, according to him (Mr. Fox) had feat himfelf on a million; and that this and fimilar expences ought to he {truck out, he could only fay, that the political hittory of Eu rope was of too complex a nature to be argued in a parenthefis. The country would derive advan- • tages from the Convention effefted by this Mini fter, or as the Honourable Gentleman would have it, by theft tvho were fent to help him; and there fore no fenfible man would bring an argument of two or three thoufand pounds to counterbalance filch advantages, particularly as Parliament had known and ciinvalred every item at the time.— Whoever u ill look at the extent of the country and commerce of this empire, will find that Govern ment has enough to attend to, without being thwarted by trivial circumllances, even at this day, when the long withed-for event of Peace has i been publicly announced to us. As to the hotife , hold, the arrears occafioned by the fcarcity, and other unforefeen events, ought to be defrayed by Parliament, without cavil nr hefitatinn. The Honourable Gentleman, continued Mr. Pitt, feemed to be alarmed at the expence of the charges for Wieners and "Couriers; but .he alight to know, that in time of war a great num ' her of couriers were iudifpenfibly need:try; and at : a time of negociation with powers remote from the feat of aiftion, every pollible reafon for meilengers mull ante out of the war. • Thii expenditure, and that of the Penfion lift, could not be forefeen ; but neverthelefs the latter has been kept within its bounds. On .contemplating this banters Mr. Pitt obferved,-that he could not but feel the hiell fatisfadion ; becaufe there never was a fubjea, the e-planation of which lay in a narrower compare; nor could the application from the Crown be made, In his opinion, with snore . --___..... .x. - - .1 _....... ....... ari1..... he Civil till is once granted, the proWiiin refit with Parliament ; and as to the excels, it would, comparatively, be found as trifling as at any former period. If Gentlemen would put together the amount or grants, they would .fiod that in the &ft flatten years of laft century they amounted to 794,0001. per annum; and the average to the pre fent time was 918,0001. per annum. Whether the increafe byre any proportion to the value of money, ' or to the relative prices of articles in general,might ,be rattly afcertained. It appeared to him that the price was as two to three, while the value was as eight to nine. Mr. Pitt then gave a detailed ac , count of the Parliamentary grants for a number of years, and proved that their increafed value at the prefent day is-an indubitable proof of our national .profperity, and a tell by .which the prote&ion of the Crown repays the Loyalty and Attachment of the People. Mr. TIERNEY (AA that although he felt no in clination to oppofe the prefent meafure, yet he did not agree with the Hon. Gentleman on the floor, (Mr. Addington) that any attempl, becaufe it was brought forward, ought to pals without the leaf! inveiligation. InQead, therefore, of palling over the fubjea with Inch expedition, he fhould move, that the Houle do report progrefs, and ark leave to fit again : and thus time might bc afford ed for a complete examination of the nature of the debts. He knew of no inftance before in which the Civil Lill Papers have ever been allowed to be printed. He affured the Committee, that he felt every difpofition to make a full and liberal allow ance for any change in times and circumftances ; but though nobody was dilpoled to give more credit to the Chancellor of theExchcquer than he was, yet he could not implicitly agree twith him in the pre- fent inflance.—Mr.Tierney litre entered into an e x amination of the various items, as , given in the papers before the Houfe, and Rated that the excels in the courle of nine years, has not amounted to ioocl. per annum for the whole of the Royal Fa mily; and that we are indebted to the Royal Ftt• roily for what has been given to the Voluntary Conti ibutions. But by a meafure peculiar to the late Minitlry, the Sectct Serv'ee Money Lad been made a dittinEt article; had it not been for this meafure, Mr. 'Tierney averred, that the Civil Lilt would now be four years in arrear. He then adverted to the charg_s for Foreign Miniflers, of toff,oool. to the charges for State Trials, and more particularly upon the new Office created for a Mi oilier at War; on the Meffengerc, and in Ihort on all the points introduced by Mr. Fox. After ex patiating on there topics at much length, he moved that the Committee report progrefs, anel a& leave 1 to fit again. Mr. ItosE referred to the printed li fls, and point ( ed out a number of financial errcrs into which the Gentleman who fpoke lag had alien. Mr TIERNEY explained. Dt. LAWKENC a entered on an inveffigation oldie Motion, and difapproved of certain proceedings of the Houle with refpeEt to it. He touched on the triumph expreffed by Mr. Burke; and conch's!. ed by hoping his Hon. Friend would propole fame regulations, otherwife he fhould feel himfelf called upon to bring forward the ful2jed. The CHANCELLOR. of the EXC 11 MX Ell role to elucidate the tnifconception which had prevailed relative to the opinion of Mr. Burke. Mr. BANKS made a few ohfervations tending to prove that Mr. Burke's bill did not preclude a cafe by which Parliament might difcharge any incumbrance, after having examined and approv ed the caufe of it. He conlidered the accounts in general as fatisfallory, and never remembered them fo clearly Rated as at prefent : he, however, fhould vote for fomc, but not the whole of jhe items. On the motion for reporting progrefs, the gal. lery was ordered to be cleared, when the Houle di vided.—For reporting progrefs 46—Againft it 2 2 B—For voting the fupply 226—Againit it 5 t. — At three quarters pall twelve, the Houle adjourned. LONDON. TUESDAY, MARCH 30. PRICE OF STOCKS THIS DAY AT ONE O'CLOCK: 3 per Cait. Conf. 704—for April ace. 70a PRICE OF . STOCRE YESTERDAY... . - 3 per C. ConC 6g I Imp. Ann. is 7 -16,1 5 per Cent. Ann. malt} Exchcq. Bills par to ts. prem. Imp. 3 per C. 68If Conf. for Am. 70 691 70 Our Readers will fee by the proceedings in the Houfe of Commons laf night, that the Income Tax is to be repealed. There could not have pot fibly been a better homu held out to the public than this, and the news of Peace at the fame time, that the Miniller was applying for his loan,—a loan that will be cheerfully granted to wind up a war, of which the world was weary. Yetlerday evening, when the Committee appoint ed by the Livery of London for the Repeal of the Tax upon Income were met, and proceeding to bug finefs, they received the following Letter, addreffed to BENJAMIN TRACERS, Efq. their Chairman : Si., 0. H 01731 of Commons, March 29, Mi. " in order that the Gentlemen of the Committee may not be unceccifarily engaged any longer in their olijea, I trouble you with this to give you the cull& intelligence that the CNA NCEL- Los of the Ezem rtku ea has jolt given notice, that he than move the Houk of Cottunoos for a RrrEM of the Tax upon IN. cuss r. " I have the Honour to be, with great Refped, " Sir, your molt obedient Servant, " Half pall Five." " H. C. COMBS." The news of the intended Loan was made known by the following Letter, which was read by Mr. NzwLawn,:from the Bank, at the Stock• Exchang e: TO Tit Govicgmo4, ITC. Of TIM 1142 M. "DOWICING-STOZET, IVlarcb " I have to requelt that you will mute notice to be given at the Stoek-Exchange, to-morrow Morning, that on Wainefilay morning, at eleven o'clock, I &all be ready to confer with filch Gavle/ram as may be Inclined to mat Pearcele for cog —..—... .1.. sail I tem& dot I Atoll be Lonoured "kb your attendanee on that oce. - tio”. • 1 have the Honour to be, • " Gentlemen, " Your.faithful and obedient bumble Servant, (Signed) " H. ADM/ GTON." The Terms of the Definitive Treaty will not be publifhed till they than have been ratified by the different Powers, which may take near about three weeks. It is only known generally that the Articles of the Preliminary Treaty are no where materially departed from. Wherever they are— they are favourable to the ancient Allies of Great Britain. Thus, we underlland, that a new claufe has been introduced into the Treaty, in favour of the Houfe of Oasisca ; and it is ftipulated that the STADTHOLDSII ihall have ample compenfation for the lots of his rank, and his property in Hol land. The integrity of the dominions of h er Moa rifrITNYUL MAJESTY, both in Europe and America, is alio guaranteed according to the Treaty of Badajos. The valuable Minds of Ceylon and Trinidad are alto guaranteed to this country by the Baturian Republic and the King of Spain. With retpea to• Malta, concerning which there has been fo moch contention, we find that it is to be given up to the Knights of St. John of Jerufalem ; but very deferable arrangements have been made refpaiing its future few; ity. The neutrality of the Maud is guaranteed by moll of the principal Powers of the Continent; among which, Autlria is one. At New foundland, the arrangements are the fa me as were 11:palated at the peaces of e 763 and i 783. The French are to be allowed to cut wood in•two fmall bays for one year. In the official copy of the treaty, the fignature of Marquis COitx WALLIS takes preccJence.. The inirnirations laa night, in confequence of the Peibcc, were at the early part of the evening chiefly confined to the Public Offices at the Weil end of the town, and to Lord WHITWORTH'S, Whitehall, in front of whore honk there was a very magnificent illumination. The Admiralty and Hoyle Guards were very fplendid, and So. merfct-lionfe was lighted up in its ufual flyle or elegance. In the City the Manfion and the Elsa. India Honks took the lead for brilliancy and grandeur.—Towards eleven o'clock a mob col lated at Ludgate-hill, and purfued their route along the Strand to.Charing-crofs, knocking at the people's doors as they palled, compelling them to put up lights. Several of theloules in the fireets leading . from the ,Strand to the water fide, had their windows broke in confequence of not being prepared with lights. The cafe was Much the fame in Pall-Mall, Piccadilly, and the neighbour hood of Bond amt. The effects of, the Peace had a wonderful influ ence ycflerday at Southfield;- as well as at the Corn-market. At Smithfield, Cattle that hal been driven away five weeks ago, and were again brought to Market, could nut be fold for 201. a head leis than had liven previoutly offered. When Mr. Mooat, acconipanied by Mr. HVN TEit, arrived at Calais with the Treaty, the verel he had engaged had been taken by fome other perfon, and he was obliged .to proceed to fea, in an open boat. When approaching thc Englifh coaft he tired a gun of diftrefs, and was brought on fhore by time ling fithermen. He had not travelled far when the poles of the chaile broke ; a little far ther on a fpriug gave way ; and at fome di (lance far ther one of the wheel horfes fell, and overturned the carriage. Fortunately neither Mr. MOORE nor the Melfenger received any material hurt.: but the news of the Treaty's fignaturc was delayed nine hours. Harydd, the unfortunate maniac who made an attempt about two years ago on the life of his Me• JESTY, for which he was tried and acquitted, killed s fellow prifoncr on Sunday in liethkm Hofintal, by a blow on the jugular vein. annum. It teas t injutUce to alrert chargeb upon this general ignorant. I to which the Hon pet to often to ref' fairly teprefented. t digs it appearttl, fib that the i t-Itr 104. Rm. .41, LONDON MARKETS. CORN-ERCHANGE, MONDAY, MARCH 29. Englifh Wheat, sos. 745. Foreign Ditto, 4os. 665.-Fine Dantzick 765, Rye, 405. 425. Barley, z6s. 325.-(Malting) 342. 375. 64 Malt, 445. sos. Oats, 145. 225. 245. Horfe Beans, (New) 3os. 345. Tick Beans, (New) 263. 305. Hog Peale, 305. 345. Boilers, 383. 425. 445. Spring Tares, ss. to Gs. per bofhel. Carraway Secd, 365. to 415. per cwt. Coriander, 265. to 295. per cwt. Rape S-ed, 341. to 371. per lall. White ditto, ,785. lo4s, 1305. 1505. Trefoil, z6s. 405. 665. 745. Canary, 845. to dos. per cwt Flour, 555. Gos. per fuck. A Return of the PRICES of FLOUR, from the uth of Marc lt to the loth of March inclutnre. Total 5,662 (asks.--Average 736.4 d. Of. 71d. lower than lalt return. SMITHFIELD. March 29. • To link the offal—per lions of 8!b. Beef se od to 65 od Veal - 65 od to 75 od Mutton -65 bd to 7s od Pork - 36 ed to 6. 84 Stock at Mark:t this morning, Beafts 2000. Sheep 6000. NEWGATE and LEADKNHALL, March 29. Per lime of 811). by thc carcafe. Beef 4 1 od to ss od Veal 41 6d to 63 6d Mutton 5. 041 to 6, al Pork 56 4,1 to 66 8d PRICE OF HAY AND STRAW, March‘29. Smithfield. St. Jaines . 6. %V hitedispel. o.Hay 310 tO 3 3 00 10 SlO 0 4 00 to y 5 o Straw 116 10 S 1 aoto2 7 o 3 oetoa 8 0 Clover 6 oto6 to 5 lo oto 6 33 • sdcroPS o tos tiNDON ; Primed tnr the Proprietors by JOHN DANIEL, (of Caroaby-urea) at the STAR PRISITING.OV 'ICI, No. z Carey-ltreet ; and publlthed by LEVE I. RB. r, (of Can t/Amy-01am Lambeth), at No. it. Carcy-ftrect, and at the triut.Orvcs. Temple-Bar; to which Office communi. 112 ms for On Os Ban are mufti to be *4411114.