Star. — London, England, 1802-12-03 00:00:00

rr ri i 1 1 -* iii•-. called for by every principle of policy. It has al. ways been my opinion that Malta mull be under the proteCtion of England or France, and it is de-, cidedly my opinion that it is efl'ential to our be3 l , interelts to hold it now as a port for our navy. , in Europe the profpca is fo dircoura i ging, is theta any contblation to be derived from the Well 'ore Eat} Indies ? Certainly not. We have every rek fon to apprehend dangerous cOnfequences to our Colonies, particularly Jamaica, from the force in St. Domingo, which, notwithltanding its difeafe and other fufferings, is ftiaforridable ; and that danger is aggravated, from a confideration of the force at Loutfiana, and the recent ceilion of Mar tinique--a ceflion ma extremely impolitic, and rather furprifing, if the report is genuine, which is univerfally believed, that fume ume before the meeting of Parliament, Nlittilters fent out orders to retain all the fettlements which were not ac tually furrendered. If fn, it is of moment to af: certain whether Miniftcrs, at the time they were calling for so,ooo feamcn, in the app'rehention of war, were jultified in giving up the key of the French ,Hands. Wherever we turn our eyes, we Inuit fee the progretlive aggrandiftment of France. She is, I underftand, immediately to take potter lion of Cochin, in the Eati Indies, a place of no commerce—which can afford no attraCtion in that way. Then the only ufe it can be, and doubilefsl the only view with which it can be taken hold of by France, is, that it is a titan; place, and will afford opportunities of negociaung with the na live powers. trom this circurnftance, and from the language generally held by the trench newfpaper4 I can have no doubt of the difpofition of France to interfere for what, in their ufual cant, they term the happinefs of India. /n fuel) a (late of our affairs in every quarter of the world, I will a*, can the Houfe confirm the refolution of the Committee of Supply, without fome explanation from Minitlers whether we are to be at war or peace ? If the Right Hon. gentleman will (hew a necellrty for this force, no rational Englithman can object to the vote ; but perhaps that neceffity may appear to demand a Ilia larger force ; and I confcfs that I, for one, (hould not will to fee a Icier; but I would defire to know bow Minifters mean to apply it, what is to be their general ufe, &c.—[4 /wile se Ike Traffig liesteLl—Mr. Grenville noticed it : Gentlemen may imile, (u poling that I want to know the deitination 'of this Coke, but I cannot look for any intelligence to improper. My objea is to know the Asians—the mind with which this force is to be employed. Is it to make war ? Is it to enable Minders to (peak with weight, autho iity, and effea in the alfairs of Europe ? They have bad 70,000 (eamen at their fervice, and yet that number did not encourage them to interfere on the Continent with weight, authority, or eff;a. 'this experience forbids the hope that any force can communicate a firm and manly charaaer to Lech an Adminiftration. Perhaps they want this !orce, in order that it may lie (Lill at home, wait= mg for the enemy to find it out. I fiiould bee happy • 10 receive a fatislaaory extictri iron) the Right Hon. Gentleman. If he - dcilines any, I hope the }loufe will decline to adopt his propofition, and Ipkilge mytelf to move for its re-commiitai." The CHANCELLOR of the Egcu mg sa—" I truft the Houfe will do me the juaice to believe, that Ido not rife, in confequence 4 the menace with Which the Right Hon. Gentleman has concluded, to fupport a propofition which is founded on the recommendation of his Majefty's Spewh. The Right lion. Gentleman has charged Mini tiers with a ddpofition to treat the Houk with difrefpea, but I have no doubt that furl a charge will meet the fate of fimilar charges from the fame Bench. If there was any criminality in the filence which prevailed in the Committee yefterday, that Right Hon. Gentleman who complains of 'it, was himielf an auediory—for be was prefent, aod never At tempted to diftarb that filence, to avert the dif grace which, in his apprehenfion, it mid attach to this Houk. Alter the confident expeaations of fecurity which his Majeny'i Speech was calcu lated to excite, was not the propofition of a confi double force naturally to be expected. Such was the objet` of the Speech, fuch its legitimate mean ing, and fuch, according to the Right Hon. Gen tleman's own ftatement the country looked for. But the Right Hon. Gentleman and his friends vary their charges to frequently, that one is fcarce ly heard, when it is deftroyed by another. Some time fince it was argued that a large eflablithment in the navy and army was indifpenfibly neceffary, I and it was afferted that Mincers had molt im providently reduced the public force, though in point of faa the navy now aaually retained ex ceeded that in the fira year of the laft war, as in June 1793, the_ Houfe voted only 45,000 feamen, but Gentlemen in their ardent anxiety to abufe, could not {lop to examine facts. The Right Hon. Gentleman could not complain of watt of fufficient time to examine the Eftimates. They were fome days on the Table, and due notice was Riven of the day the Refolution he now objects to was to be propofed. Dut the Right Hon. Gentle. man is highly difcontented that his objeCtions were not advanced one day foorier, and he vents his anger upon Ministers. I did expect the Right Hon. Gentleman's fpeech );efterday. I looked for fume queltioni from liiinfell or his friends, and was fully ready to anfwer them I was perfectly prepared to enter into the difcutlion. I appeal to the Houle whether Ministers have, upon any oc cation, indicated the leatt with to evade the invef tigation of any meafure they propofed, or to give the moil (atisfaaory explanation ? Did Gentle men mean to fupport this propofition—that Mini (lens lull fight of their duty, becaufe they declined to enter into the explanation of a nece&y which all ma admitted, and which they themfelves were particularly anxious to dilate upon, and too often forward to exaggerate ? Could fuch ferioufly be their idea—that it would be excufable to trefpafs on the Huufe of Commons by a differtation 6n the Rate of Europe, in order to prove that which was obvioufly right and proper, namely—that we fhould provide for our own defence ? Indeed, the chief doubt of the Right Gentleman teemed to be, whether - na , - 'nr• be cite `7 7 '"7 , r . 4Th pore requires no juAlfixation, to them, it lest., With refplit to the R4IM Hon. Gentleman's fion to the pdaie of 1783, though his .Majeity's, Speech of that day fptaks confidently of peace, yet i 6,000 feamen %hire voted for the navy. [Elecito Mr. Addington detailed the different. A miga* made in the afnount of the army and navy, (root the figning of the preliminaries to the conclurialt of the definitive treaty iii - 1783, and added] I contend that thefe reduCtions, comparing the dif ference of the twneperiods, as to the relative Rate _ of England, were made upon the fame principles or policy. I troll it_ ill never be maintained by impartial men that the preterit Government have thewn any want of proper &Inners or attention,., or becaufe they were not difpofed to give way to a too precipitate fenfe of danger, they should be thought too credulous in the pacific defigns of France. The grounds on which the Right Hon. Gentleman oppofes the prefent vote, are rather fin gular, confidering his frequently expreffed defire to keep up a ltrong,defenlive force. Such is alto the define and purpote of Government, any reduction would be thought unadvifable for fome time, and in a few days my Right Hon. Friend (the Secre tary at War) will fubmit a propofiticin to the Houfe for a larger eitablifhment for the army than teems to be in the contemplation of Come Gentle men—an eltablifhrnent beyond any thing ever known in time of peace. I am not difpofed to fltrink from the declaration, that in the prefent fituation of Europe fuch an Eflablithmeut is ne ceffary—that it is necifrary to maintain a thong dcfenfive fyftem. Does the Right Hon. Gentle man fuppofe that I would recommend an implicit reliance on the peaceful inclinations of France ? My opinion is, as it has ever !leen, that we (ball belt confult our fafety by providing for our defence , that our heft fecurity will confift in the conrciour nets of our ftrength. On that principle I have at - led, and with that view I propofed this vote, an explanation of which, the Right Hon. Gentleman lays, (hould be forced from us. I hope the Houle will bear teftitnony that no force has been found neceffary to obtain any information required .by the Houfe from his Maje.fly's Witter!. The Right Hon. Gentleman delands an explanation; yet ; as, upon his own admi 'Son, more thould not be TOpti o utiles for war, aqd hi would not with for lets; it follows that fo,ooo men are juft enough in Mims: ception. With regard to the manner in which this number of feamen is to be engaged, tbcg to re mark that our fleet in the Well Indies, which mull be occationally relieved, and which could not pru dently forfo_tne time be reduced, will require a great proportion of this force ; but I with to rest the tuftification of this vote on a broader principle-r the opinion of esPediency, the propriety of adopt ing defen fi ve meafures on Inch a ecale, as to be prepared for any emergency, and to afford the country the faire, profpe&t of the permanency of peace. I leave no objeition to follow the Right Hon. Gentleman in his review of the Rate of .Eu rope. In the firti Rep, however, as to Feted burgh, the Right Hon. Gentleman will pardon me, if I decline to give him any precifeiffsier on that flibjea ; I (hall give no potitive contridiCtion to what he has' Rated ; but I will fay that . the Right Hon. Gentler° . an ought to have confidered and enquired a little farther before he hazarded a pofitive affirtion, which muff be beard from hint with furprife and regret. The Right Hon. Gen tleman has mifconceived the statement of my No ble Friend, on a former day, retpeding the vic tory off Copenhagen. He did not fay, as the Right Hon. Gentleman defcribed, " that that viEtory created the difficulties of the negociation with the Northern Confederacy," but," t ha t even after that viOory, which never was furpaffed in (kill or bra very, or the havPinefs of its confequeices, many difficulties remained to be adjulled—that that vic tory did not get rid of the difficulties," fuch were the words really uttered by my Noble Friend.— The Right Hon. Gentleman has adverted to' the aCtivity of the Dutch to recruit their navy, and is that a matter of wonder, that a power which, at one period of the war.-muttered a retpeetable fleet, and which, at the termination of the war, only retained t 6, should bb anxious to repair her fleets? Though the encreafe of every fleet likely at any period to be employed againft us may be rubjeCt of lamentation, yet it formed no ground of com plaint again ft tinifters, %inlets that degree of ex ertion in foreign powers thobld be met by fupine nets on our part ; but was that the cafe ? Could any loch imputation attach ? I feel confident that it cannot. The Right Hon. Gentleman was in error when he Rated, that the navy of France and , the navy of Europe were fyponimous terms. He 1 certainly was not juftified in conneeting the navies of Ruffia, Sweden, and Denmark, with that .of france. I admit that recent experience and pre • Cent appearances naturally induce the belief, that thofe of Spain and Holland are intimately attached 1 to France ; but whatever be their force, connec- 1 tion, or activity, arc we unable or unprepared to meet them combined? Have Minifters negleeled their duty fo far as to omit any exertion to efta: blifh and to maintain our fiiperiority ? No. For the intuit to the Britilh officer, in the port of Lit bon, to which the Right Hon. Gentleman has al bided, the molt ample and complete fatisfaCtion v...as readily given ; the perfons who ofikred that intuit were immediately imprifoned and punned. No difinclination was (hewn on the part of the For tuguefe Government to make the Follett atonement to the honour of the Britifh officer ; and in proof that the atonement was deemed fufficient, no complaint has been fince made. In farther cur roboration of the fuperiority of oqr fleet to any that is ready to fail from the ports of the combined powers. I have to Rate, in contradielion to ru mours ciiculated by fome from ignorance, by others from fear, and by others perhaps from worfe motives, that Admiral Bickerton, who at prefent commands ten fail of the line in the Medi terranean, writes home that there arc only five fail of the line ready for lea in the port of Toulon ; from which reports have for fome time anted, that a confiderable fleet was about to be difpatched.— The Admiral alto Rated, that a (till inferior force appeared in the harbour of Carthagena-fo much for our hanky in the Mediterranean. Now I beg o f the Right Hon. Gentle- would guarantee the independente of MaltaA only %%tut It was fo expeded. .1 4 fie kl e ightliOnw, m*n has taken, a view of our extetitul den-, i'n7 internal Ilrength ; I (hall fojhxw'liim fit I will be more minute, and I hop; pinteXatit: &iftiiry to the Houk, in !fly 'lean. The fleersof France, Spain, kind Holland. Rood thus at.the.be. - ginning of the war :—France toe fail of the line s . - Spain 79, and Holland 27. What was the :edit" of the,war, which covered this country with 10 much . glOry ? Why, that thore fleets . which emi r `fitted of zoo fait of the line at the beginning .of War, were reduced to 12.0, and a Orp*AtivelYi greater reflation or* place among; their frigates' and (mall craft. What encreafe there Powers.may have fence made in their naval force, by buildiqg new (hips, I am not , prepared to fay ; but their *dual Rate at the conclation of the war was what I have Rated. France 39, Spain 68, and Holland t 6. What addition can there have been made, by building new (hips, to Inch a force, to excite the flighteß alarm in the breaft of in gu g liihman, when I Rate that we have at prefent 192 fail of , the line, 209 frigates, Iz9 Hoops, and 243 fmaller craft, in all feven hunctrecloind recency-three (hips of war? With an excels then,of 6o fail of the line,above the combined fleets Of France, Spain, and Holland, what have we to fear, and what apprehen fi on can be felt for our fafety, when it is known that by the prudent and wife conduit of the firft Lord of the A dmiralty, fuch arrangernents are made, that in cafe of the, renewal of hoftilities, fifty fail of the line can be prepared for tea, within one month, and even a larger number, Mould the exigency be preffing ? , Thus are we fitnated, ready for any event. Whether this (late of preparation proves inertnefs, inactivity, and lethargic torpor, proves that want of vigour and energy on the part of Adminiftrition, which the Right Hon. Gentleman and his • friends would attribute to them, I (hall leave. it to the Untie and the country to deter mine; and whether. theyeleferve the foul, oppro brious epithets, and the falfe accufations which are frequently pointed at thein: ft is our fincere with and refolutton to maintain peace ; but if the ho nour of the country (Mould be wounded, or its le.; ttirity endangered, it is 'our duty and our deter- Mination to be in a Rate to meet the enemy with firmnefs. This is the animus with which we de mand this vote, and that the purpofe to which we fhall, if necefrary, apply it. Is that a fatisfadory anfwer to the right Honourable Gentleman's qua . - tion ? We than be prepared to meet war if una rvoidable ; and we (hall meet it without apprehen lion. Our idea of the neceffity for precaution, and for this vote, doei not arife out of the exaggerated `accounts of danger with whiCh the Right Ron. Gentleman and, his Friends have fo, long agitated the public, nor from fuch views of the country as are only calculated to terrify and difmay, but from afober, pit, and attentive contideration of all the circumttauces of .Europe. I recoiled that ./ did fay in reply to a Gentleman on the other.fide of the Houfe, that the peace eftablifliment would confift of about 30,000 feamen, but I recollea al fo, that I Paid fo, with fuch referve and qualifica ; tion, as any man incapable of feeing into futurity ought to have dope. r hope that this eftablilh ment I now propofe will not long,exitt. I (hould fbe lorry to confider it the permanent peace ella bliflunent. When the circumilances of Europe flail render it proper to reduce our force to the man economic Randard, I (hall feel mot fincere ly happy, but the arrival of that period, and the feeurity of peace, will depend much on the acqui efcence of the Houfe in this vote. Having Rated fo much as to the grounds of this propolition, I hope I have given full fatisfadion to the Right Honourable Gentleman and hii Friends. Such I aline them is my witiv; but lea they &could fup 'pofe that the force propofed is with any view to a war ellablifhment ; or tend to put the country in that Rate from which they were'fo unwilling to have it releafcci, or that the expence being fo con fiderable2 Parliament and the Country might the more eafily be perfuaded to accede to the renewal of hollilities, I beg to undeceive, them • for gar only objedt is to be enabled, on any fodien emer gency, to put forth fuch a fleet as might be fuffi cent to avert all danger ; to thew our power and Might, ifniceffary s and to IEO4 that power on filch a &lid fouudation as IhOuld never be fhaken. I feel, that I owe an apology to the Houle for fo long trefpaffing on their time, to define a necelfity which feemed - to be generally admitted, and to advocate a propofition which teemed to be gene rally called for ; but the Right Honourable Gen tleman has endeavoured to impute a motive to my actions Which I riper 'entertained, Which, like other imputations 4.901 the faille quarter, I hope the Hoare veil; bear Me out in laying, had no pre tentious to jutlice, had no foundation in fad." Mr. T. Gun vit.i.a and the CHANCELLOR' of the gscHi m yti w ytuau, c F p)piged. Sir SIDNEY SMITS, in his maiden fpeech, ex preffed his cordial approbation of the propofition now before the Hoare, nor could there, in his opinion, be a dilferfnte of fentitnent . refpeding the expedieocy of keeping up Atilt an ellablifinnent as would afford us the means of ading with energy and effed as circumliances might teem to require. —There were one or two points, hoWever, on which he begged leave to make a few obfervations. When votes were palled for keeping up a ftrong naval force, he trufled that the dock-yards would be kept on a refpedable footing. It had come to his knowledge, from 'his particular connexion with the city he had the honour - of reprefenting, that a very confiderable number of individuals had been placed in circumftances of great dithers, in consequence of their difiniffal from the fituittion . ti in which they formerly Lupported themfelves and their families with comfort. When he refleded on the high charader and eminent Cervices of the Noble Lord, who prefided with fo much ability over the naval department, when he confidered his well-known benevolence, when he turned his attention to the numbers of dißreiled reamen who were relieved by his Lordfhip's private bounty, be could not for a moment allow himfelf to think, that any thing like injutlice to individuals would have been pradifed, from a deficiency in the al lowance provided by.the public for the fiipport of his very important . lkaacJi - * 1 - femice• He . ~ ~:-:- 6 of 4r! wcarpseia4 in the nesi:lbeurst.molrte and in the confidence that it would r lint l a h tt e e n n a ti v o a n I ckf erv M i e, ca ,„ .:. t l ,eonfequence that thole employed a p oint .yatds, illould not be forced e t " e 1) "( enter into the fervice of oth-r)y.,,,xt.reme I ers. i t v: . firm conviction that there were few tvio .) ' • induced to enter into the fervice ' rival ; and nothing but il ern nec r r_y of Our 7r4i4 eoC(A? I ' compel them to take a fie • • • • • .."' p agama.wot • , r tivgswe.r.c fo powerful. He had recei ved roux applications on this fubjed, .but i. for I k m Y APAvered• that he t he LAI was refolv e d 119- t I„, ie the reprefentatiye of thofe who done .had . honour to Idea him, in the . Anti- Chambe rs Ali. 'lifters, or ,in the Halls of Of fi ce, but u h'ts an opportunity of bringing th e firb'e linuo .4ll,ld oke r Cr. fideration in his place as a. Member of that 1-h )w . This he had now done, and he hoped fb . would be attended to. On th e I's general fabie before the Houfe, he not only J- , now eprec t ied An: • A du Lion of the number of f eamen to b e but was ftrongly inclined to think e,Y!e i t 1() d) hardly adequate to the circumftances in that w which .1 country was placed. It ought ,; e to be rec by the Houfe that a military force cou ld ('lle6e4 into motion in this country in a mom ent , not (LI on the Continent, -which had for , fo many I c a e,, s formed into a great camp for war. hi: 1)r- been of humanity, he -hoped that fpeculat t : e would not ;be renewed ; but that if unfortun a te ly've'7 hoftilities fhould become unavoidable, wo l a not be forced into it without adequate • • rt. e .f °ul - was, therefore, the decided friend of f uch as eflabliffirnent as would enable Mi n iil ers to h Inch a language as might contributebell to th e prefervation of peace,, and he h: tc no doub t that this objet would be belt attain e d, ibt:'hit'le ' the language' was which Minifters w ere eliabi e r a - to hold out to the French Governm ent . Th ere was with him an additional realm for wilting th at the number of- feamen to be kep t up fh,,Uld ra.s alter be encreafed than diminithed• I t was drawn from the vaft numbers of diareffed feame n w h o in every quarter, were to be found. The . Hou f e would - recoiled that none but le-bodi e d l e a men were employed in the merchant fervice._ The confequence was, that the other defcriptionsof feamen were thrown wholly out of employment , and left to the precarious charity of the• public, or to the very inadequate provifion which nationa l liberality affigned them. Was a f 'um not exceeding fever) pounds a year any thing like an adequate provifion for men who had ha a limb, or an eye, in the fervice of their country ? Was it an adequate remuneration to thofe who generoufly gave up every thing for the fafety of their fellow citizens He was convinced every one prefent was fenfibk of its inadequacy. Greenwich holpital, though a grand monument of national beneficence, was not , fulitclently comprehenfive in the objets which it embraced, and even if it were extended, it was a queftion• which admitted a good deal of doubt, whetheramantion for difabled feamen migh tnot be formed which-might be more beneficial to the id fereig, and attended with lefs expence to the public. Inflead of difmiffing them to their homes with fuch an inadequate provifion after all the long toils and perils of war, and indignant at thofe whom they accufed of with-holding a more liberal remunera tion, every didate of policy flaw:fled that they fhould quit the fervice impreffed. with gratitude for the ample provifion made for them by their country, and ready on the first call of danger again to embark in its fervice. It was not befitting the liberality of a great nation to be niggardly of re wards to its brave defenders. It was plain that in the profpea of war nothing was of fuch conk , quence as that our navy fhould be promptly equip ped, and nothing could fo effeetually promote this objet as attaching the feamen to the fervice by gratitude. He took it for granted, however, when he raid this, that war was not lboked to either in this country. or in France. Militat y men here, as in. France, were anxious for a refpite from the hor rors of war, not from any felfifh motives, but from a feeling of companion for thole brave men who might fill in any new contefl. To feel companion for human diftrefs, occafioned by war, was the in. feparable attribute .of true courage ; and, to the braveit fpirits, vidories were frequently painful. That there might, however, be a probability for the continuance ofpeace, it was above all things efrOtial that we . fhould have the means of freLfily equipping our navy.. I-le was inclined to believe that there exifled .on the. part of the French Go. vernment a defire to fireferve the peace, and he WAS faire that if faith a difpos fiiion did exiit, it would be materially firengthened by a for midable navy on the part of this country. Changes of Government in France were, however, fudden and unexpeeled. He had himfelf had the misfortune to be present at two of thefe explofions, and in France they were confidsred as mere matters of courfe. They were like the mere decorations of a Theatre, which ex cited no fort of uncommon emotion. Oa one Lf thefe occafions he had obferved fe veral of the tinu. keys `adive in preparing lodgings for new pii:o• ners, who were hourly expeCted. They male nu fecret of the light in which they viewed arras either of the Governor or the Governed. Td enquiries relpeding the cattle of fuch prepar.:t!.; their anfwer was, that there had•been high words in the Councils, and that new tenants for {foie lodgings might arrive that night. rieir were juft, for the fame night, he believed, fcr•!L Members of the Councils actually. took abode in prifon. The period to which he ail ''ha was the period which was avled tha tits: FILO' dor in the fitvourite French gibberith. With • . 11 ', utmoft compolure, the inftruments o rthe wok dreadful enormities walked about with their hange,rs , ready for fume new, arrocitr; and delibcratc , conibled themfelves, that in this traged v they Mere only aCtots,ijot nianagers, nor even authors. Wt.:: the perfons then governing France, a fobjea. . 1 _ a&ing was never twitting. Julius Cxfar mllct have been introduced, but numerous o ther gr- 1 ,. fubje&s were untouched. Conaantinople Tippoo Saib might be introduced with great feel l a effed, and at all events.they had o n l y to 13 . e _ old arta piece, which was fore at all times to received with favour, and that was no otheri.tlii v: the invafion of Britain. If the feclilip =4 • 4* "-•• Mores were ence Dutch point of vafion had figt alluded life of 11 he for h if any t prevent ahhorn of one t to out! was an conclm in corn ing out in the of view pic, r give h more i dy to Yuen I that judge of th 4 ftriki was lang and Prof; thini tern; rent Peri • 'ot i&AJWIG WWI I■IIrIMIONIM Iry gmeallors. nele , j ..... r ----.---, ---.-- P "1" - e -- ---- i - -- . Ipledge my(elf to move for its re-committal." to what he b I The CHANCILLOR of the Ezell EQ2 ga,—" I trait Right Hon. G k. the Houfe will do me the juftice to believe, that and enquired s Ido not rife, in confequence of the menace with putative affirtii which the Right Hon. Gentleman has concluded, with furprife a to fupport a propofition which is founded on the tleman has mil recommendation of his Makfty's Swich. The ble Friend, on Righe Hon. Gentleman has charged ldinifters with tory off Copen p difpofltion to treat the Houfe with difrefpea, Hon. Gentle= but I have no doubt that furl a charge will meet created the cliff the fate of &oiler charges from the fame Bench. Northern Cony If there was any criminality in the thence which viaory, which prevailed in the Committee yefterday, that Right very, or the h Hon. Gentleman who complains of 'it, was himfelf difficulties ren an accefory—for be was prefent, and never 'at- tory did not g f tempted to difterb that filence, to avert the dif- the words real grace which, in his apprehettfion, it liuft attach The Right NI to this Route. After the confident expeaatione afkivity of the . _ of fecurity which his Majefty'S Speech was calcu- that a matter 1 1 lated to excite, was not the propofition of a confi- one period of I ' derable force naturally to be expeaed. Such was and which, at the objedt• of the Speech, fuch its lejitimate mean- retained i 6, A ing, and fuch, according to the Right Hon. Gen- Though the c . ti t tleman's own ftatement, the country looked for. period to be ei f i But the Right Hon. Gentleman and his friends of lamentation , vary their charges fo frequently, that one is three- plaint againft ly heard, when it is dettroyed by another. Some ertion in foreii , •• time fence it was argued that a large eftabliftiment nets on our pa . in the navy and army was indifpenfillly neceffary, I any fuch tempt and it was afterted that Minifters had mot! im- lit cannot. T providently reduced the public force, though in ;error when he point of fait the navy now aaually retained ex- the navy of E ceeded that in the fira year of the lift war, as certainly was in June 1793, the_ Houfe voted only 45,000 of Rutfia, Sv icemen, but Gentlemen in their ardent anxiety to trance. I ac' elide could not flop to examine fails. The Right Cent appearanl Hon? Gentleman could not complain of watt of thofe of Spain t I , fufficient time to examine the Eftimates. They to France; b were Come days on the Table, and due notice was Lion, or aaivi ' given of the day the Refolution he now obje!is to meet them co was to be propolid. But the Right Non. Gentle- their duty fo man is highly difcontented that his objeaions were blifh an to n not advanced one day boner, and he vents his the infult to t anger . upon Ministers. I did expea the Right bon, to which Bon. Gentleman's fpeech Yefterday. I looked for hided, the It fume queftions from liimfelf or his friends, and v. as readily g was fully ready to anfwer them. I was perfealy infult were ii prepared to enter into the difcutlion. I appeal to No ditinclinai the I ioufe whether Ministers have, upon any oc- tuguefeGove cation, indicated the leaft with to evade the invef- to the honour ligation of any meafure they propofed, or to give that the ate time molt fatisfaftory explanation ? Did Gentle- complaint hi men mean to fupport this propofition—that Mini- roboration of Ilers loft fight of their duty, becaufe they declined that is ready I i to enter into the explanation of a necvay which powers, I 11 all noes admitted, and which they themfelves were moors cit cu ' particularly anxious to dilate upon, and too often others from '1 forward to exaggerate ? Could fuel) ferioutly be worfe motive 1 : their idea—that it would be excufable to trefpafs prefent comr , N . on the Houle of Commons by a differtation 6n terranean, wl 11 the Rate of Europe, in order to prove that which of the line re was obvioutly riht and proper, namely—that we from which i thould provide f or our own defence ? Indeed, the a confiderabl chief doubt of the Right • .. Gentleman fecund The Admirs • to be, whether aur na a !.ould 'n•t be appeared in • , elfe w.,. . .. '.. -al • r . i e for our fecal —'•,... -.";„, A . II ,`• o , ) •, • - . c. I • a " , mild not eica , ,, ' ' millions 1 :. e s a point of ilf,,,iie undertak led in any p; wt , f that fuck )ccially i n d ie I). , t ' Ltd"' ai( , extr eme di:treilbe thou - Powers. It v:;islit /ho od lu e few who cou:d b e try. If o - vice of our zr 4i , d jrnejlts " 4 lecefre_y con:t entertain :iiii(Ltvhich th:!,1). ti l e and lad received ;. A , which, c ell:, .but he IL: L I ,:ii, coaa. to s refolved Writ tc , it hate Wit o .had d one ilia, t h e ports of 1111-Charlll)Cts oi . Nli . a pprehet ice, but would tik e bouts, f e fitbjecl nndor ery. of fudde tuber of that Ho w :, there W ' it hoped the lubjc than 18 general fubjed 1147 w i t hout r deprecated am ! e _ and the len to b e empi„yci, l ea ve thi I think that it w hs teed 11 ' 1 'fiances in which th e invafion it to be reeolleaed dreaded force could not Ran France 1 in a moment, as o n Mores 0 .ru many years tie tri were nil r war. For the 'salt ence wh t a fpeculative 1,.. Dt......h ,