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be had inquired and found to be good, nothing dis 4 creditable having been imputed to him, • but by a convict, who wanted to remain in the country, and who offered testimony with the expectation of a free pardon.. and who was sent to .entrap him. He (Mr. Bennet) well knew the system of spies and informers • which was acted upon in the County of Lancaster, And hcw its operations were involved, wheel within wheel, to the great danger and annoyance of the subject. He had the letter of the physician who had seen Chadwick, the man said to be murdered, and it proved that there was no murder committed, Tor, indeed, any accusation of the kind made but by the wile of the deceased, who was in a state of appa rent insanity, and who afterwards destroyed herself, appeared that the man, even then, who was said to have struck Chadwick, was one Richard Gough. Lever was not meant. ' The physician. had been told that the deceased bad received some Wows, but he found that the report -was • with out foundation. He (Chadwick) bad said, that he bad received some abuse at an alehouse; but it ap peared that what he meant-by abuse was only bad language. itut the wife would not giveitp the idea which .had first possessed her mind. Many witnesses proved that no blew. had been struck, aud,_ besides the testimony of.the physician, tire evidence ought to hare satisfied any oste who was not influenced by other motives than the prosecution of justice. He had reason to believe that Chadwick's son was not • bound over to prosecute, and that no bill for murder was preferred by the Grand Jury. The Petitioner, however, was •sent to jail, and not one of the forty .witnesses who appeated on the Coroner's Inquest was called upon to substantiate the charge. The Honour able Member again said, that he knew the system of Lancashire well, aad that he believed the man was sent to jail for the purposes described. In answer to the charge of delay, he wished to observe, that the Petition had been in his possession for some time, but .he did not think proper to present it until he could procure a copy of the Calendar. He had told the physician so. That copy he had not obtained' until within the last six weeks. The Petitioner was, very unfortunate, but had given him to understand that he would not lay the affair before the House without the evidence of so material a document. He had done his duty. as he hoped he always should, and had only to repeat, that be did not ;sledge him self to the truth of more than the good character of the individual, and the illegality of his confinement. Mr. BROUGHAM said, that he now recollected the case of the Petitioner at the Assizes in 1812; that he had been imprisoned on a charge of felony, and tried for a misdemeanour. The charge of felony prevented him from the power of going out upon bail between his traversing the indictment and his trial ; he was therefore kept in prison. He was of opinion, however, that a charge ought not tote over a Magistrate for the course of seven years. What ever truth might be in the logical inference of the Petitioner, that more power should not be granted to Magistrates, because of such an instance of the abuse of authority, yet no man could deny thft so many years should not pass before the charge was brought forward. With respect to the charge of felony, he could say, that no bill had been preferred; and as to the misdemeanour, the man was convicted oa very paltry evidence—it amounted to very little. It appeared that the man had used some of the words imputed to him, half in jest, and more than half in liquor ; and he (Mr. Brougham) was rather sure that the Learned Judge had summed up for acquittal. The day before, thirty-eight individuals had been ac quitted, whu were arraigned upon the perjured evi; dance of a spy. Though the Jury had no shadow of ground for convicting, yet they were reluctant to ac quit, and the next day they convicted every one, and among the rest the Petitioner. Lord CASTLEREAGH said, that Petition, of this kind were brought forward for the purpose of raising an argument against the Bills before the House; but a transaction which had taken place many years ago, lad that also resting upon the testimony of a person convicted of an offence, could never prove that the Magistrates of Englund were not entitled to the con fidence of the country. Mr. BROUGHAM explained, and denied that he had any intention to lower the character of the esta bfished Authorities. The question was then put, whether the Petition Should be brought up? which was negatived with out a division. SEDITIOUS hi UTINGS BILL. On the Motion of Lord CASTLIMEAOII, the Lords' Amendments to the Bill for preventing Seditious Meetit►gs was read and agreed to. tiATIVES 01 PAVIA. Lord J. RUSSELL said, that he had been given to understand that there were some persons at pre sent in England, natives of Parga, no way connected with political transactions, whom the Administration intended to send out of the country, under the pro visions of the Alien Act. He did not wish to accuse Ministers of any conduct so improper, and he stated what he had heard only with a view of obtaining information on the subject. If it were true, the ease of the persons concerned would be excessively hard—(Hear, hear). Lord CASTLEREAGH observed, that the Noble Lord had not stated the names of the persons of whom he spoke, and said he must decline saying any thing with respect to what Government intended to do in pursuance of the powers with which the laws had invested them—inquiry would come better after some act to justify it had been committed. Lord J. RUSSELL said, that he was not ac quainted with the names of the persons in question. RESIDENCES OP CATHOLIC CLERGY. if 4 it S' : ' , Mr. W. PARNELL rose to postpone his notice of motion for leave to bring in a Bill to enable Roman Catholics to provide residences for their Clergy.-- His reason for doing so was, that it had been repre sented to him that a discussion on the subject would i.lvolve the merits of the Catholic Question. He could not, however, omit that opportunity of bearing testimony to the merits of that highly respectable class of persons whose interests his motionconcerned. Ile said, that though Ireland was greatly indebted for ;-- - to the excellent conduct Secretary (Mr. Grant), yet he ly preserved by the efforts of the several parts, the disaffected, excite insurrection, but they and disappointed by the pas- j • -'; ;, .„, y , r testimony to the mer ' • class of persons whose .., , Ile said, that though ',".. . . for its present tranqui It mid principles of the b.:lieved it was mainly Catholic Clergy. In • - had endeavoured to i t it were every where met .11 ...,,.. . . ' 1 , g `~ R i ;1 i~ ~~~~' 1171; 4 /''''.:. 1 k i 1 ,total and , and Cie- gond uc every so than Under =km, _ plan j o u n re gh th t t e ri b c e ath ect i p c te Q d ;u'ebsutitona:fhheewdouidldnotdefwer his mo tioa don foe the present. lie concluded by moving; the notice of motion be postponed until after the holidays. • Mr. GRANT said, that he felt it his duty to con firm the statement made by the Honourable MeMbes as to the meritorious and exemplary conduCt of dm; highly respectable body, the Roman Catholic Clergy of lrelaud. Their duties were in many places most arduous, and he bad reason to know, that they dis charged them with an active fidelity, often at the, hazard of their lives; when• most efforts were made to disturb the peace of the community, their ester._ tions uniformly repelled sorb attempts; and it lime not the lower classes of the Clergy only who won so employed—every where the same loyal and dam. mined spirit was displayed by the Prelacy, who were not more distinguished by their rank, than by their unwearied energies in diffusing the love of peace and good order—(Keer, hear).—He (Mr. Grant) Cps, sidered himself chargeable with the tranquillity of . Ireland, but he confessed he could not have so latql cessfully maintained it, were it not that the Qithelic Clergy had given him their zealous, patriotic, -and , Christian co-operatien--(ffier, hear). The notice of motion was then postponed. TUE TIVANCIS. Mr. MABERLY, in rising pursuant to his notice, stated, that his reason for moving that .certain do cuments connected with the Finances of the Country. should be produced, was the necessity which he con ceived existed that those papers should now be laid on the table of the House, in order that there might As. full time for their consideration between the periodA the adjouromout and the re-assembling of the Howe" ; He bad hoped that the Right Honourable Gentleman. opposite would have made no objection to their pro-• duction, but he regretted to find that that *as not to be the case with respect to some of them and should, therefore move for them separately, in the hope that he should learn from that Right Hon..Qentleman the nature of his objections. He then moved for " An account of the net amount of the Revenue of the United Kingdom, from the sth of January; 1819, to the 10th of October 1 819, distinguishing each Quar ter, and separatin;lreland from Great Britain." The CHANCEJ4LOR of the EXCHEQUER should say no more on. the present occasion, than that it was usual for an Honourable Member, when making a motion, to state the grounds on which he. proposed it tp the House. Did the Honourable Gen• tleman only mean that the papers moved for should be laid on the table before the adjournment, in order to be taken into consideration immediately after the recess? When the Honourable Gentleman consi dered that the close of the financial year was at hand, when all accounts must be'made up, he would pro bably be disposed to wait till after the recess, when he could bare the whole produced together, whilst they would now only come down to the 10th of Oc tober. To the production of the present Return he had no objection. The motion having been agreed to, Mr. MABERLY said,' that he was aware that if be had waited till after the adjournment, the ac counts would have been produced in a more regular order. But the Right Honourable Gentleman knew. 'very well, that the appropriation accounts were not laid on the table before the 15th of March. They were afterwards ordered to be printed, and it fro quently happened that Members could not see theta. till the Session was nearly over. The Speaker, with that attention to the wishes and convenience of Mem bers, for which he was so highly distinguishes's— ( Hear, Aso rl)—zhad caused the printing of Male to, be hastened at his request last Session, and he took this opportunity of returning his sincere thanks.— But if the usual course were adopted, the House would not be able to discuss the state of the Finances till a very late period of the year. He should ask the Right Honourable Gentleman whether it would be proper to postpone so important an investigation at a time when the situation of the country was so unsettled and alarming? He should now move tor " An account of the amount received from the New Duties imposed in July, 1819, to the latest period at which the said could be made up, distinguishing each Duty." The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER, should propose an Amendment to this motion, limit-. in g the making up of the Return to the 10th of Oc tober, because all accounts were complete up to that period. The House must be aware, that the pay ments of the Revenu e were received with a certain degree of irregularity, which renderrd it impractica ble to judge of the produce of the whole Quarter from a part. Now, he took the object of the Honourable Member to be, the ascertaining what inferences could be deduced from the produce of the new Taxes.-- That object would be better attained by having com plete statements to the 10th of October, than by . partial returns to a later periOd. He had expected that the Honourable Gentleman would have given something like a general statement of the object he had in view,. but no information of, that kind had as yet been afforded to the House. With respect to the present motion, he thought it would be as well to confine it to the produce of the Excise Duties, as it would be very difficult, if not impracticable, within the time, to dissect the fractional parts of the new Custom Duties from the general produce of -those 'Duties. He should therefore propose as an Amend ment, That the Return should be limited to the 10th of October, and should merely distinguish the Cus toms from the Excise Duties. Mr. MABEitLY had said, in a concise manner, that he thou ght those Pap ers necessary b e f ore it was possible to inquire into the state of the Finances, in order that that state should be well understood. It would be impracticable for the House to enter into such an investigation if it had no facts on its table. He therefore trusted that he had sufficiently ex plained his motive, though not in a l ong speec h . The Right Hon. Gentleman had calculated on the new Duties being productive, and no one had more re juiced than he had done at the statement put forth slit night respecting the Revenue. The Right Hon. . asmihmian bad relied, last year, on raising a total of £3,190,000 by means of those new Duties, viz. £500,000 from the consolidation of the Customs, from z i d s . u des.„ He had, be- .relent, / with a view to the resumption of COI ELO t lepo 4;04 the Cuatonir tii merits. It might not be unnecessary for him • whole,'themefore, now formed a 3-few remarks and explanations on the form er varied `stibject, and he wished to lea.' especially after the incredulity which had of the produce of every branch, in expressed by Gentlemen on the other ade, • order i, .ain what probability there. was of s a rcasms an d m i srepresentat i ons which low , being able to realize the £9,190, 000 . Hewasaware sorted to out of the Hou s e, t o i n d uce a b elief , of the objection which the Right Hon. Gentleman failure of the Revenue, and depress the public might start; be might say that many of those Duties on questions of the utmost consequence. Th e did not come in till the 10th of October. The new I was well aware of llie falling off d ur i ng t i e Malt Duty was not paid in till the middle of Nuaem.! en di n g on the 10th of O ct& ber, when cornpi, e , ber ; but at all events something mug have come.inlthe corresponding Quarter of last year. In •• betweenahe monthkof July and December. He had toms alone, it had amounted to £960,00 ; understood, indeed, that little had come in on the :other branches which he particuiatized, to new Duties, or if they had been productive, that the sums, making a total deficiency of £1.1.51,,_ old Duties had almost entirely fallen off. If News- House would oft that-the greatest porti c o of paper accounts were to be mentioned in that House, frecation was in the item of Customs ; and the the Customs had fallen off, between July and Octo- several circumstances which led to this rep ; ,ber, £900,000 or £1,000,000, and it was said, that had been well known, that there was to he a ( they continued to decrease at the rate of forty or, dation of the Custom Duties to the sth of hi, fifty thousand pounds per week. He therefore trusted consequently, every one who had goods, w as ' that the House would not think it unnecessary to be to clear them by that date. The extra et:, in possession of facts before •it came to a discussion ed- in the preceding quarter, naturally dins on subjectoof that importance. With respect to the the amount of the next quarter. He ought Amendment of the Right Hon. Gentleman. he did notice, as another reason, the great gip, think his objectiori reasonable. It would certainly . the foreign trade. The Exports, in 1819, fell be difficult to dissect the fractional parts of the new by £7,000,000 of the Exports in 1818, ai:d ti Customs Duties from the rest. .He should therefore ports of necessity fell off in a similar proporti, r. agree to the Amendment, but he hoped, that it would he was prepared to state, as his firm conviction, remain open for him to move, after the Recess, "That there was nothing alarming in these circL the Returns should be made from the 10th of Octo- It was not by the Customs, which applied , ,ber to that period"--(Hear, hear, hear). real operations, ,but to the Exci s e, which . The CHANCEI-LOR of the EXCHEQUER said, internal consumption, thal they were to look he should certainly not object to the production of criterion of the Nation's prosperity. I n t l, e the Returns at-that time, when the whole of the there seemed to be no diminution, an d t hi s financial year would have closed. He should now that the actual consumption of the county ; only state, that down to the. end of the month of great as ever, than which there cou ld b e I November, the whole amount of the old Duties had sign of its welfire. With leave ,if the H ot 'seen something less than £l,OOO under the produce would lay before it a short statement on thi, of the corresponding Quarter in the preceding Year, comparing the average consurryien of th e and that the new F..icise Duties had produced' the years, tip to 1818, with the consumption rim sum of £236,000, £150,000 of which had been re- In the former the consumptiOn of Tea was...ihs lip celved before the end of October, and the remainder In the latter 92.7. Being an increase of had since come in. Of baccoand Sff, Tonu 8 ... 11.1 1,11, Mr. TIERNEY suggested, that as weekly Returns 1519 ll iof the Revenue were made out for his Majesty's Go- Malt was not yet made up. vemment, there would be no great difficulty in pro- Of•Bstadi and Irish Singes, me Gas. .5, ducing the Accounts down to the period which was Oa . • . Increaso now proposed.. Of Wines, .111111 - . . ......,... ....... —......5at Mr. HUSKISSON objected to the producticia of Imo .—..—......... ...... ..... ..... a; such weekly Accouots, which, besides, had nothing Of Rum, rerif • 1,; to do with the amestioribefore the House. ret9 • 1,4 Mr. TIERNEY wished to know how much money Of Brandy gird Geneva there was also an in, bad been received upon the whole? The Accounts consumption; of Candles, to a considerable ay, had long since been made up to the 10th of October, Leather, an increase of duty of £10,000 ; . 1;: d and published in all the Newspapers; what it was £12,000. These facts, in his opinion, net c:' Important, to ascertain was, the amount of the re- forded the best hopes of a steady R evenue , f ceipts sincethat period. Had Parliament sat till the proved that the local distress (which no one mo b 10th of January he should have been for giving up more than he did) had not affected t h e genera l the present. Motion, as the Accounts might have forts of the People, since it was evident that then been produced complete; but when the Right those things which were necessary to their Ron. Gentleman had been putting forth his pleasing were consumed now than at any preceding forebodings, he (Mr. Tierney) wished to see whether They also afforded much consolation for the they rested on facts. With respect to the lupin failure in the Customs ; and before he conclud he had to say on this s ubje c t h e wou ld mention asked for, he considered them so much a matter of • course, that with all his experience, he should not other item, the more satisfactory, as i t a l so have thought it improper to move for them with- an increased employment of the People, out any precious notice. printed calicoes, on which the atigrnetaxion The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER ob- C 50,000. It further afforded him pleas;:-e to be jected to furnishing the Accounts of a broken Quarter. to say, that since the 10th of October bt.th. the Mr. TIERNEY—If the Right Honourable Gen- toms and the Excise had improved, .n.d ^ a ye , tleman objects to this, he will be exercising mote to expect that the produce ultima;el;: uculd power than ever Mr. Pitt had.. equal to that of the largest year—(l-Ircr it ' Mr. HUSKISSON observed, that the Accounts not produce any statements to evidence this to would be geoerally known to the wh o l e P u bli c b y House, it was becau s e an y b ro k en part o f a the meal means, on the 6th of Janua r y, w h et h er t h e m ust be imperfect, and m i g h t l ea d to ct ,. :: l e. 'House was sitting_or not. which would not be realized ; but the fact, to The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER the n present period, was as he had assured them; stattlobwKihainpunt of the new Duties received to last Saturday the 'Revenue was only El, up on nth of Mrember, was £l,OOO o f th e D uty short of the preceding year—(H ear ). inv:r z V N an W 001. ., and A/986,000 on the General Account. so much on the general subject of the Reven- A.Maklaeit, who spoke from under the gallery, would now adiert to the specific motion of tl:e objected to the upi u telli g ibili t y o f t h e P u bl ic A c- pourable Gentleman, for th e A ccounts re l at ive , counts, and suggested th a t a C omm i ttee to regu l ate transactions between Govern ment and el,! Bari what grounds did th e H onour able them would be as beneficial as o ne on th e su bj ect of Gentlerraa economy.--The Motion, as amended, was a gr e e d t o , for inquiry into what was pending am! i,:cen Mr. MABERLY proceeded to offer another of his Parliament had fixed a period within which i. , series of Resolutions. The Loin of 1818 h a d b een meet was to perfo rm an engagement to the made without any prevision for the payment of its which period expired on the sth of April rest .interest: the Loan of 1819 was added to it. and the yet, in this premature way, the /knowable .. joint amount reaching t o nearly sixty millions, th e men stepped in to d eman d an acccunt , as i i 'Chancellor of the Exchequer then thought it eve_ were any Imputation for not having done win :client to lay on taxes for the payment of the interest, right and in good faith, on either part. 11 .which he calculated would produce 4190,000. conceived, ineconcileable with the principles rti 'Now, however, the House learned, that up. to the the Housewas accustomed to act. I% hen fors 10th of November these Taxes had brought nothi ng negotiations we re i n progress, and a Treazy 111110 re into the Exchequer th an about £280,000. lit forming, Parliament never sanctioned any therefore became, in his opinion, necessary to ascer - Terence by the call for Papers, but rested en ' fain what was the am o u n t of d e fi c i ency i n t h e Con- sponsibility of the Mi n i sters o f nolidated Fund ; which, h e i mag i ne d, wou l d b e the C rown to cci the act, and the n answer for it. How much found to be increased near ly fi ve m illi ons, f rom the then ought it to follo w th e same course w i t h dth of January l as t. Th e B an k, i t wou l d b e recol - to an operation of its own framing, the only dit, lected, was to be paid a loan to that amount, but if in which was, that it was a transaction o 1.1.18 he was rightly i n f orme d, li tt l e more t h an one million country ? Unless some groun d were s l i ewn, had been, and th at very recent l y, paid, while the fore, for r • Right Hon. Gentleman had borrowed another five rection to which it removing thi s out of the contioul and .millions ; so that even if he had paid the whole, the some suspicio had been entrusted, and tl• n on the proce e di ngs of Govern: finance would still on ly b e i n i ts or i g i na l state. The i n i ts pecuniary settlement with the Bank. lee deficiencies, whatever they were, were charged on persuaded that the House would not give i', the Consolidated Fund, and no assets assigned t o to his proposition. Another objection to it v as, " An Account of the Deficiency in the Consolidated Fund to jobbing , and, a to n , d, it awpoounldthoapte,n asa wide s‘ell fi a e s ld th t e Or St , meet them. He concluded by moving for— the,loth of October, 1819; together with an account of the ground, he should decline furnishing infornia . uoc The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER malmer in which the same was made good." a matter which was success f u ll y procee iii,; zo 0 stated in reply, that th ere was a surp l us on the Fund .2 termination pointed out by Parliament. Ile wig!' mean to deny h Paid to state generally , to the Bank, a n d t h at t h e whole y, that a large sum ti‘ had be at the date spe c ifi e d, t h oug h h e di d not He did not obj ect to t h e mot i on, which was accord- i2 tia , that there w as a l arge d e fi c i ency on former sums-- would be paid by the sth of April, in pursua:icc Mr. MABERLY next move d f or " An Account of that purpose—(Hear, hear ingly put, a n d agreed to. arrangements mad e f or —The funds provided by Parliament were being a! the Amount payable out of the Consolidated Fun. p lie d ; flom the sth o f J u l y , 1 818, to the sth October, 1819, plied; and it would be n far better to let the matter! nished in a quiet u ninte; rupted course, thin for the Inte res t o f t h e L oans of 1818 and 1819, •dis interfere with suc h a mot i on as t h e present . House would p ar d on hi m if h e s h ort l y a n tic thiuishing the Quarters," Sm.—Agreed to. Also "An Account shewi ng h ow t h e Fi ve Milli ons one topic more, voted to pay th e Ba n k h a d b een applied, distirmisia- which had excited Consider alarm out of d oors , and had mo re than once f 0 ing the dates of th e severa l payments. " mentioned in the cou rse o f t h e i r di scuss i on , lie The CHANCELLOR of th e EXCHEQUER said the Honou ra bl e G ent l eman h ad now come to those luded to the transfer of property and funds front country to France. H e was aware t h at severa l of his Resoluti ons , w hi c h h e should feel it to be his •or to modify. Th ese Resolutions sons had so inve s ted th e i r money ; b ut at t h e duty to opp os e time he believed the sum total not to be great, finance of the Country generally;t t h se a cond, the likely to be permanent ; as the Mate of exchange were divisable into two parts : the first , afFett'n 'rg t h e. not been at all affected. Another circa in order to bring an d le Bank, would also prevent the transference of property te before the House those proceedings h a d transaction between the •Govenanen lare amount; as a Proprietor in the French Fu - Which had been arranged an' d agreed to by Path*. not the power of disposintof his properly . . - . . incl.patriotieeigilade4ititat the Elths. Ma liter of the CsaolicCirtyrdt ',mated over th t i .aided. traiisferred ct and interests of their !Web. They weir chg . Excise; the wberp sit their posts of duty, and never more complicated and n in times which most called for theit exertions. have a full view o such circumstances, some plan of conciliation order to ascertai CO I him to former Fr ch had 'de, at: lad he s pnh:;el;ul ,i c The tl ,c In ti le .0! ; 1, to c 51,rxg ) . ;n cf th, igl i(. the se it s be a ec , Julr, 'd was 2r , t: chit; t i t a ;., ta ma% o a 9, fell d ti. e u porti. r. victim, rcun,star lied toe .a' merit, e look for •cd n the E I this r'ro ,t unity w be no . e House, I in chi, if the i of 1819 21,52 g. 1,115, —11,7 • L,l9f, • ICO ..1,163,. an incr.. ); ard net oily .rue, but teneral ci that mete it enjoy ~ • ding rthe l - cluded mention ,itso fries. Ilalt. IstiriOn e tn be a h the C. 1 ?aye tea y would i. It be this to rf a Qui , tact, to rm ; and ✓ £l5O qavirg •-• Revenue,. of the • lative mt. Bark tlerraa c incernp;!:! lc: o the it r.ext able 35 is ti: le VCir.rt G. Tl,is, !. les cn v hi; hen fotti i; Treaty w any int d en the tn comp' much r:c. with 'cp. ly difftrer . ewu. ; toul r.r.41 tilic ink, he le .e its asst it svaf, ti 1 for Sta . tbe g • )rmation ling to . 1-te n had bee se ts.liFe ursua:ice fear, hear: ▪ being a ; c tnattcr I se, ;17.1r. eser.t. r alluded t• (MCC. rv., Ile is troll Z. Sevci al re: t the b:Irl great, is change ha rcumetan .operty tr . inch woperty IT Nt , , • 1 1 1 . ..„ } I