Star. — London, England, 1825-04-27 00:00:00

ivtot• set ~iir•` reatlf ' air , yre ,oeAtonf - "A* it It t niter's. ate- Nvik ,the In en- Anti the nded on this vvte tpon the -elf, Pr lonient necei cruel I ppears (ct ap i kept I a'n. being abso: I am to the ,mphant td their (omists, of he ty ; but see it is 'other rem * -,al °pi. •___ ;wiry.--- and to belongs. !or wad,. agreed concession to con- injuring man says and mis led, Mr. affected , isimade, / their at ionourable deservedly link that pounds, Bur real body' .is is only be .totally it would ..t is, the oa to say. thinks pro-' A great peasantry being freehold, and se obtain the 'ye 'hardif the 3pictute lg. ilk the that does :.country. Staffordshise England, ell thatlik Let us. containing i ar Td, nose' i from year' ill there be, O'Sitaugh tver it may their 'farms. it they sod' 40s..free-• : got. that i . possessed. be lease nteaasi lichav to , make use' they sorrel& to tree, one station iSaflOt complain of a &Bill , to ‘ral influence: sanse-influence that _ APS - 111111010411Str peculiar to I is-e a say one word ;het is, the, prin.. leaning, is,tield saki , s Ants -is there none , .1 Atli .11+4S but of the.) (3 Ist and- .. 4 hrely, • Gentlease 1, IS of the ,Jk GOD 11%4 to-rubll4mm hermay.save" '`luse cotters,• it V/0 0 1icinoe thank thole . their-souls ;; ,ratichist them von, of tiler - .1.1 ton peed . - vision for t e a fee s'mple, a He hoped h m 're corefe (hist. than hi a chase wei li alleged fret sing their fee that they we s of land. m of the ma vt• iRE effect excluded Ire eat/ to apply r ttY aptai(e %Nov (erttlematt anttgerieral). d calls for lit anxiety plea very awful I .t complain, ipation, that atet al quest! connection 'lll tight in as or Westminst hich is a s -Me to prof " until we, another Bill. say, I am an tthalic Ettial first outsider ,tion, founded an opportu my vote in affairs, that I was upon ttet el niy sel ed at a tato essetria;ly‘ n ed in this re which ap d it may no which 1 am mint . ; or, I .easure from 1 sentill, and reland—but mely partial ch is a trium hey have had slitical econo e population of property ence, we se re, is anothe e dogmatica , without inqu say this; a . L. Foster) bt ve come to voluntarily valuable coo roust y agree it greatly it .ence. One ml influence, an d be injuted s would be a ch the grant ers say, by t] , by my Hon 1, who has des I. do not thi , and twenty 'lie influence. comes the re re to say this it would be. judgment, ii them." Th n he goes on ;" and he this inly ensue. •of a peasant' ling freehold her side to of but I have eature of the lye anything, t to poll, tl ch as to that bet . for Stall a portion of 1 blance to all (Hear, hear). °gland, coat one landlord ps them on f ifference will • ppen to be 0 ? Whicher will have till ondition that by holding of the Shire ey should be h for them to hich tact ricer, and to ithoot that tt shottld like dlot dicta) ). Do 1 col to bring in is the naturi he sarne-infit do sot let Ems ience .petul ct, I will say id that that I greatatili Mani IMO Onlef of t Intel sy is Hear, hear) ary now, but n which kstar onoerable Ge t the perjury :ds and thaul •tches, and to 'ands, that the cotter;. Th, eflows, and ey were to ti ve shewn for °tad dist raw next B.ss•or I. there 'too I as he * or, . sons in that Parliament —no, not in that one; but In the last—(A lenigh)—that swore that th ey were worth SOO. a yearm lands and tenement s . when the fact was, thati soteteof them were - netirotth chit others, bhd oeitlierlands nor tentments.(Almgh): TO-take; smother- instance; .Sir—ithese is no protession in. this country so honourable as that of arms; , and no doubt dime are natnrgallaat Qfficereptesent ready to express tbesstestrse abhorrent" **she perjury- of thepeasantrrof elitnttr- but then very. , men are among. the first who pledge their solemn word and honour, they don't swear it; indeed, for swearing is out of their element— (4 jay;-nbut thee) pied.ge their solemn word and honour, that in purchasing a commission thin gave No. ribre• titan the.. tegulation, though at the time they well knew that it would have been actually 4 regpeullble to hare obtained it without paying ett- Nest dhuble--(hear, hear). —As yet I here only spoken of Laymen— (- I lairgh).a-bot I feel grieved— Inexpressibly grieved—thar the Church itself is not without this stain ; t feel' grieved at it, for it will take away a good deal from the force o f he argument of those persons whom my Honourable Friend, the Mem bee for Knaretboroogh, has described as Gentlemen wearing the curious dress in the Upper House. How will those Reverend Gentlemen be able to express the ilk abhorrent they entertain against such a crime, when they themselves slip in one particular, which, if it tie a sin in a Layman, must be ten thousand times Crone meta Priest? yet they solemnly declare, in the prareneir of their Go*, that when they are called upon rte' accept a living of, perhaps, 4,0001. a year, that at that 'Wry instant they feel' inwardly moved by the HOLY CIBQST to accept the office and administration thereof, and that they accepted it fOr no other reason what soever. • Certainly their reasons do not appear to me very difrichlt to uirderstand—(4 laugh)—but I dare say they are well calculated for the ends they may have in view —(4 laugh) .—I shall say nothing, Sir, of Custom- Bola! oaths, for they go to the swelling of the Revs lqugh).—lt has been said that the introduc • Übe. off. ' this measure is to smooth the way for the Catholic Emancipation Bill; and certainly, if there were anything in the whole .world that could influence my . mind to adopt the-mem - me, it would be that contidera tion—(Hear, hearl—Atid, before I proceed any fur there allow me, Sir, to bear testimony to the high veneration :with which I have all along regarded the . ,authorities: With which this Bill has come backgd to the, House Of:donimons—(Hear, hear, hear).—lt has receive.' the sanction of the Right Honourable the At torney-General for Ireland, whose motives in so doing Must have been the purest and the best; it has come backed with the scarcely inferior sanction of my Hon. Friend the Member for Westminster, who has bowed to the measure, and been induced to support it- from his vehement desire to befriend Ireland in what he be lieves to be her most important interest—(Hear, hear). And, lastly, I am inclined to listen with all possible re spect, and to bow with still greater reverence—to the testimony borne by the Right Honourable Baronet (Sir J. Newport) whoa its near me, and who has dis tinguished himself as a most eminent Statesman— (Hear, hear), whether in office or out of office—whe ther in regard to the empire at large, or hip own dear and beloved country, acting so as to enrol his name ' with that of Grattan himself in the everlasting gratitude . of that Nation—(Hear, hear). When I. find such tes timonies as these in favour of the Bill, I confess I fed staggered in my opinion, and almost inclined to say that I will vote for it blindfold ; and if any _authority in or out of this House could sanction such a vote, it would be this; but I cannot help feeling convinced, that the adoption of the Bill would do anything rather than conciliate the affections of the Catholic peasantry of Ireland—(Hear, hear, hear) — which is so much and so fervently the object of my de sire--(Hear, hear). At present, the poor freeholder of Ireland gives his•vote as his landlord bids, once in seven _years, sad that obedience secures his being well treated, and his continued occupatimi of the land. For the o?inion of Mr.O.ronnell I have a very high valtie, and consider the confidence reposed in him by his country =en one Of the best pledges that Ireland had ever sent ow to this country in token of peace end good-will ; but even allowing all that, it is not is Mr. O'Cannell's power to say," passthellill, and I will undertake to make at popular io Ireland:' for bow would it sound in the ears of she peasantry, *ere they to be toldthat the higher branches of the Catholics had got a measure -passed, • by means of which those higher latnan Catholics were tole admitted to the advantages of the Bar, the Bench, and the United Parliament, and tits .the only conces• sidle made for the obtaining of that. menet . % - was the giving up their right to vote at tharGenesal Elections? I will venture to fay it down as -a general and unal: .fiartgble.rale, shatao system can be more wise or more wholesome, than that irt ; cmteiass any great measure to he adopted or rejected sus. its own naerti.s (Hear), and not em the merits of ouotbac—(oo4- ,- Our nic e - st a r s 4 hie -Hasse have *limp been ,419at.cnntiups.in ;meddling with eke right of anfranchimagent, : particularly so ' when it has in any stay ,been propoped to extend Let nu:remind the -Hose oldie case of Grampound, al bsilc borough of perbints no,paerethautwentror thirty queers ; that although :the corruption was distinctly '. proved, the'Hoose insisted on Counsel and evidence, Andulhansanal other things ,befote it would.deprive it' ofthat sight, hich itdtasitaci joatle fo fit il. There mero no-bandtedir thrown intotihoseham or Aylesbury, anti thcslisfranchisement of Ibielistonchad even been re jected.; AM ,yet the .kipmels so teady to enter into this An 'elite Principle? IS this consietAlleY ? II laritierthe Rouse farther back, to the time of William 111. I may particularly notice the Splitting Act, the• author otwhigh islord:Sonlers, and in his Tracts a.note of his was found added, containing ,his opinion, from . VlM** appealed:that theeewas nP doniat.ofs leis feeling, tbeing alesiderily inifavoorief such a measure as, thi.s ; gbut she 1811 l was never introduced as a bribe or .a hake weight, :for if vie look to the whole history of Ala illessunt, .we thot ;the great question, Ilizgleast awes that of. -,Patliamestacy Reform.—• I thelloasking too neoolretben Loaner:4o l @HOUß *to go . into wet' inquiry "faith -every degree of .delinesate attentiori, and with the .4trralgest desire to come out of: impressed .with tire. beliefthaLthis Bill. ciefaht 3 " 3 . p ass ? it isantotly impossible:that lan mete tor this. Bill• irefote inquiry, -anti when we are aecosaasity. ignorant of the ,whole .matter. 'Nu two Avitne,sses agree the 4 4j e ct; eAlilY are inconsigent with themselves ; no two : • ""eettaemt l NM:lreland in•this House, I will venture Ant , 4014111411 alas Unit thliniQa, either as to the fan* -en thei remedy: for gh e ,, e 4 ege 4, grimace. C n there beg -whetter ground for calling' upon Parliament to . pacoe.. soli to fill the:pause by going into a Committee on•tbis' subject? The f.cts before us are few ; consistent statemeots there are none; a thorough investigation Ls'lleen 41eaiedprot . frame Abe tfsult et lbose 4 . duty it was to inquire, but from the course Which the Right Hon. Seeintery is, no doubt, administered to me niat .L.u, sre took_ _n u to pi cs o f a mole_m pp' nature. frith greet sincerity; b ut , i n m y v i ew o f thi s question, The concil io n of Ireland is the grand object which the subject to which / *hided f•• - ashai-e_iiiriear in_ carrying the Catholic 11:11. Will element in, it. W i ll oni i aunts most important man tell me that.be has-no, any man in this Muse, be. bpld enough to say, that if nonfident hopes oftive - Cathelic Qeestion ? We are told this Bill is passed, and the Catholic Question is carried that we are not to try the question of the4o3.freeholderi too, the latter measure conferring_ immediate benefit on on its own merits, but that the measure is expedients a . portion of the Aristocracy, and the former at best because it will ensure the passing of the Cathohe Bill ? Only conferring an indirect benefit on the- bulk of the This argument might have been used 24 hours ago, community, which benefit it requires reasoning to but does any man believe, alter what has passed, that rove, and which has been denied by the evidence of the enactment of this measure will be sure to carry the Mr. O'Connell, for he thinks the.nseasure a i,l be inju- Catholic Bill ?—(Clieera) • D.ses any man believe that rinus to the mass of the population—l say, will any the ominous news of this day, which has gone forth man venture to contend, that if both Bills are passed, to England and Ireland, will not ring the knell of de one will recommend the other, and both be equally spair in the ears of the Cathnlecs ?—(ffear, hear, hear) palatable to the bulk of the community ?-,-(1 leer, hear). This is a consideration which_ cannot but operate upon If any man bas the boldness to say so, I envy his con- my mind, and , which ought to-operate en this House. fidence and his intrepidity as a prophet, but I have no The conclusion which I draw from it is this—you hive respect for him as a reasoner, and I cannot take him for now a distinct warning ; you have fair and honest notice my guide. If we wish to conciliate Ireland, let the of what you must expect. Want of honesty,want of frank great question be carried without any adjunct—let new, want of conscientiousness, is the last charge which it be pure, simple, unadulterated, unaccompanied with I will , bring against any man—l will not go nearer than any measures, called indeed auxiliary, but calculated this--(A laugh). But you may have obstinate cons& to act as trammels, . and such a concession cannot entiousness ; you may hive undesiating honesty and fail to conciliate Ireland, because it will be a pledge frankness of the boldest, and at the same time the most of our good intentions towards her. But if we alarming character. No Monarch wbp ever sat on the send this measure over to Ireland, coupled with English Throne ever yet prepared himself for such re another, adopted without inquiry, and opposed by sistance to the people in behalf of the Catholics, as, that the evidence of Mr. O'Connell, who declared that it which was now brewing against the Catholics. I give Would be injurious to the interests of a large mass of you this warning ; I appeal to Ireland -and to Irish the population of Ireland, is there not the strongest Members; Ido not believe that anything will carry reason to believe that Catholic Emancipation would, this question except a powerful House. Instead of a under such circumstances, be undervalued, nay, that majority of 27 Members of this House, to save the em it would. be itapopular, and that its unpopularity would Aire hem conyulsioo, which, within the last 24 hours, arise irom this unconstitutional adjunct? Such, I con- has become ten thousand times more petrifying to fess, are my forebodings on this subject. But who will the imagination ; I believe nothing can save /reland— insure me that, even if I were disposed to vote for this nothing can preserve the tranquillity of Itetaed l and save measure (and I'do not say I oppose it, because I know England from new troubles, but a large increase of the nothing about it), who will insure me, that even if we majority on this question—( Hear, (tear, hear). Now, compromise our duty by passing this Bill without in- is your time—this reign is your time—( Loud sled cent& quiry , the Catholic Bill 'will be carried ? We are need cheering). Yet a little while, and it will be too reckoning without our host, or at all events we are I.te, and the time will be gone, and gone for ever:— reckoning without our Lords. It is not for me to allude "Yet a little slumbering—a little sleep—a little folding to what passei in another House of Parliament, but I of the hands to sleep," as you have been doing Session will lay that I have heard of passages delivered in ano- after Session, and Parliament after Parliament, for the ther place which give me an alarm not only for the last twenty years, and you will find intolerance and des good government of Ireland, but for the safety of the potism come upon us like an armed man, and the op- Constitution of this Country, for the stability of the portunity of pacifying Ireland, and of saving England, Monarchy of this Country as by law established, and will depart from your grasp for ever—(Loud cheers). — settled at the Revolution of 1688—(Loud and continued If I were a lover of discord—(There was laughter here cheers). Sir, they gave me so deep and serious an from some Members on the Ministerial Benches.—Mr. alarm, that I protest before Goo, I could not believe BitoUGHAM paused a few moments and then continued) my ears when the news was first brought to me— Sir, lam not a lover of discord, and those perhaps who (Hear, hear, hear); I thought it impossible to be true ; consider me so, are only not lovers of discord, because I thought the Papers most be filled with false and ca- they prefer, to what they call discord and commotion, lumnious libels, for what man living could at *me believe that a the solitude, which absolute, unthinking obedien-e pays , Prince of that House. which sits upon the Throne by the Re• to unmitigated despotism. I respect all men's con volution of 1488, should promulgate to the world that, happen what sciences. GOD forbid that I should not give to their ho would, when he came to fill another station--- Mr. PLUNKETT rose amidst the most enthinits- nest differences of opinion that toleration which I tic cheering from some parts of the House, and cries challenge . for myself. I have said that a want of of "Order" from other parts. As soon as silence was re, conscientious honesty and frankness is the last charge stored—the Honourable Member said—when he found which I would bring against any man, either within , hit Hoqourable and Learned Friend proceeding to al- th‘se walls, or out of doors ; but I have lived long lade to what bad recently passed in the other House enough to know that most antagonists, provided they of Parliament, and to designate the person to whom be not honest, enlightened men, are very often the most his observations applied, in terms which could not be perverse and pertinacious antagonists, and that all misunderstood, he felt it to be a duty which he owed hopes of reclaiming' them from their errors, so help to that House, to the Illustrious Personage alluded to, them GOD, is impossihle—(Lamghter and cheers). It and to that great cause in which even now he did not becomes us then " to set our House in order betimes," cease to think his Honourable and Learned Friend sin- and to recollect, that if we carried up the Bill, on a cerely interested, to . prevent him from continuing a former occasion, with a majority of nineteen, and it course of observations in his present heat of temper, failed in ;he House of Peers then, there is ten thousand which, he was satisfied, he would. in his calmer mo- fold the necessity for taking this last opportunity of ments regret. - bringing the question to a conclusion, because an event The SPEAKER said, that if the anticipations of the may happen—Goo knows how soon or how late, but Ri g h t R on . an d L earne d Member (Mr. pi nn i tett ) as to the mane GOD forbid that it should be soon—(Lostd_cheers)— of observations which he thought the Hon. and Lamed Member when you will have no longer the option. When, even (Mr. Brenham) was about co panne, were carnet, there could be if the Bill should be carried—not by a majority of no question as to the irregularity of sash a coons of observations. nineteen or twenty-seven—but by an unanimous vote Mr. BROUGHAM resumed—l doubt not that the course which the Right Hon. and Learned Member has of kith Houses of Parliament, and the voice of the whole country—even if the country streamed with thought proper to take, was meant to be perfectly kind and courteous towards me, and also entirely judicious, blood, the measure could not be effected except by an inseparable breach of the Crown. Let me intreat, let as it respects the great question of which be is the ad- me implore the House, then, to be wise in time, and wean,. At the same time, I mast, at least, be allowed to say thus much, that the proceeding was premature. pass this Bill. Let us reject this adjunct, and so put aside that which is calculated only to lead to liillSeDll a Ile interrupted me Isefore.the period of disorder which =ma t h e f r i en d s o f t h e measure, an d t o triunes mos t i ts ene . he anticipated had arrived ; that is undeniable; and mks. Let us reject that which i; calculated to impede the success you, Sir, have decided that disorder was not committed, t d o i the 't artr t questim—i fe et wTa dis i c s ard p whats"snadacit properly aluable, belong but but only anticipated by the Right Hon. and Learned avail ' ourselves, be r fore it be too late, *hie opportunity of carrying Member. Now, in this House, I apprehend no Mem- a measure w hi c h may restore Inland to peace and prosperity, and bet has a right .to interrupt an other, merely because he save England from the of a convidsion. (The Hon. and expects that that other Member is going to be disor- Learned Gentleman eat dc amid lead and continued chesdni4 derly —(A ktugh).—This may have been the usage in Sir J.NEWPORT said, the question before the House, the Parliament of which the Right Honourable and independent of the question of Catholic Emancipation, Learned Gentleman was once a distinguished Member was one of great importance. For the complaint —(4 laugh) ;—but a Member of the English Parliament against the manner in which the evidence had been is allowed to go on, free from all interruption, until he taken before the Committee, he denied that there a lms mid something disorderly. As to my allusions to isted any foundation for it. The witnesses bad been what passed in another place, I now speak for the privi- candidly examined, with every opportunity afforded leges of this House, of which I ama Member; I speak for their stating all that they knew upon the subject . ; also for its consistency; I speak for its character and cre- and every one agreed as to the miserable condition in •it as an honourable House, which it always has been. which the people who were miscalled freeholders were Have we not heard Members of the other House al- kept by the existing system. The measure now pro luded to by name, and their'speec . hes quoted over and posed did not touch the smallest existing right ; and to over again in this House, under the flimsy pretext of appoint distinct Committees to ex amine into ever y dis edverting to something elich passed in another place? tint matter of detail, would be endless. For himself, 'Did not the Hon. -Member for Knaresborough (Mr. he trusted he should have credit for every,dimositioni Tierney allude distinctly 40 Use Bishop? Has not An to carry the main question upon its own merits;, but if alipsion of a similar hind been made this very night? be found it impossible to accomplish that, he was con-. Will it not be a very strange, or rather a very mean tent to succeed by combining it with other objects. thing? will it not look like base-spirited conduct in this Mr.,P.LUNKEIT said, that in opposing the senti- House, if we do not scrupleaoaake notice of.what cer min Peers say—if, as I mytalf heard, the words of the mints of his -Honourable and Learned Friend (Mr . Brougham) who.was one of the oldest and ablest of,the Lord Chanc.ellor on the woolsack are referred to di rectly in this Douse, twenty-four hours after he uttered supporters of a measure which had just been alluded to,. he felt happy that be was enabled to range himself them, and the observations made in this House were an- he swered by the - Lord Chancellor the next night in the neath the banners of one who was quite as zealous for.the success of ,that measure. He alluded to his 'House of Peers ; I say, will it not be base-spirited in Honourable Friend, who he perceived had just quitted this House, if we attack the Bishops, if we attack the the House (Sir John,,Newport). He was certainly of ,Lay Lords, if_ive Attack the -Lord Chancellor on the opinion, ;totally that tire 8.11 should ,pass, but that it woolsack? But if I allude to a Member of the other o sit h t to p ass w ithout the delay of a ,single hour— Mouse, who happens to be.theiHeir - Presomgtive , priei - t freer). :Fhe BR west .only to Affect the leasehold in- Inge rises up, arid . a Member ,lateaks through all order, ` tweets, anumeat.which the :eat evil existed, and did F iala rfittet-ilvtaits net till .slisiarder is committed, but mat extend to tjusie who ; 448 by right of wixin got. pos ,aells us, you ,gtuy phase die .Bishops, you may abuse session of asonilltolll l foe Aay :Inca-Um .niainst ihein the_ Lay Lords, in mass and. individeally—(Loud deers), ,bikt if— weeld apply to the disqualification of half the free holders of England. His Honourable Friend (Mr. 'B.) Mr. WODEHOUSE.—I rise to order again. I-call had pressed his powers of rkilicale into the . seivice,, upon the Hon. and Learned Gentleman to explain what for the purpose of combining the prejudices against -he.meant, to the,werds quia-tinet--(Loud laughter). the measure to its defeat, although, 'by ; his awn, that Bill :nen to remedy," I aii hlr..Seciensty.FAa ,p.nt :it.to.gite Honourable and confession, f he was ..n i-ntorant of the effects of the evil which t _ , . Leasucil *natter ,(Mr. hrquAlwen), sitbeter, in the Gentleman ,discusalonief ,-a.aseestion t of i .go web imaortance, it ysas peal (coin advisable-to passe a. °nurse ofelatestations whiclhavere inued Mr. Plat knit ,) to .e..tery . who hears- me, whether the *Honourable and Learned las not relevant-twit, -sad which must introduse.aavarreth .Gentleman.ttat flat Fired into . tbe service, in miler to of feeling inconsistent .seith.a.gallnlind deliberAje.C9n. bring abont.shissanecOmt ,of t Bill (which auty ,be . , , ed s ideration of its merits? • . a good meassialor_iiiististAkezhuows, for he avow oratre mi.Oht.mmise,si 41sLas04, *vet, topU mr.:l3BolJoilAtri .00m0.-ea:Rhe.4 4 7ise • - If phi his r . - . . . . . •. „ 111 .1111 0 "-Wr' - . - calculated to inflame the temper, and to kindle the prejudices of the enemies and friends of this great aseasatubse4thar.imini*4ltitAlls_ kw. measramer f. ta.abaiislt the Atilt* oßee pq i,t.a cAMilyslsig of persons, bet what right, be. assts,' have. wens-pm some against them, *hen. we overlook it tothemaich; the Parliament, and, I think, he inlif, - the But what had this to dativitkAaralgiestini.,?- &holt. tinge h ( s position, for the sake. of .irgutnene 'ii Sitldthe contend-that because perjury waievolooked:in the dd.) pertinent, to which he afar-!ea, it ought- not to be. checked where it is undeniable ? . This was i mode. of arguing, 'which, If he was describing io another, piece. be would call a lump," for there wasno connection be. tween his premises and the conclusion. He t=ones although what he ought to prove, for he tikes it, for granted that the Irish Freenoidet% are di•fran. tithed by this Bill, which is not the case, for no existing interests are affected by it. He also assumes what is inconclusive, that the peopte'of Ireland will, consider this an immediate grievance, and consider the benefits of it remote, .whereas the benefits are • immediate, and the inconveniences if any are remote. He said that the Irish Parliament differed from the English Parliament ; he must also think an Irish pea sant a different being from any other." The Hon. Member had professed a good feeling for the success of this measure, but his conduct looked very like that of an enemy. He objected to appending it to the gets measure, lest it should look like bribery. Tb's was knight-errantry in argument with a vengeance, but would become 'a-romance more than an addles: to Par. liantent. His own . (Mr. P.'s) opinions of this B Were frankly these; he th night it on absolutely good mea sure in itself, but even if it had faults, he would oven, look them, if it was calculated to enhance the success of the great ques ion —(Cheers). —He thought it a necei• sary set-off to giving the Catholics a tight to recur* Catholics to Parliament, although he eimitted that it ought to be kept in their hands. so long as there was not a prospect that their claims would be complied with He did not Suppose that they were taking away any rights, for, in fact, this class of freeholders had no will of their own. The Honour;ble and Learned Gentleman had talked of the cruel situation in which he was placed, but he (Mr. Plunkett) never saw him more happy than in that situation—(4l laugh). Never was his wit more buoyant, never did he Wander more. from the question. recruiting and enlisting all that his fancy and eloquence could supply him with upon this rack of torture, at an unexpected measure which was known to be in con templation three months ago.- 3 11-asigh;ng). The Right Honourable and Learned Gtelleman then proceeded to describe the mischiefs of the present system of voting in Ireland, and the double mi,chief of per. jury and extortion which it engendered. The Right Honourable Secretary for the Home Department (Mr. Peel), in 1817, acknowledged the defects of the Act of 1773, and advised an alteration of it. By raising. the qualifi:ation to ten pounds, every freeholder would be known, and each one would be responsible for per. jury. The alacrity of the advocate was too prorni neatly ,hewn by the Hon. and Learned Member ; there was too great a readiness displayed to avail himself of every popular argument or prejudice, be the effect what it Wight to the cause of truth. What was the state of the case as far as regarded the landlord? He never went • to see the voters ; the agent was sent for them ; and 500 persons might be brought to the poll without knowing what they were to do, or for whom they were to vote. What were the frequent consequences to the peasantry after an election? Frequently, that the landlord dis. trained for the rent, and eventually drove those pea. sant: of the land, who, perhaps, had only done their duty ; who might have obeyed the Priest against the landlord. What mischief did the Bill propose ?. Did it attack freehold property, or threaten the bee. - door of election ? No; the Bill, so far from affecting the freedom of electioa, would tend to secure its purity. Accrrding to the returns of 40s. 1W and 401. registered freeholders—and before elections there.wesi thousands of 40s. freeholders made and registered the smallest freeholders were as eighteen to one in proportion of the 201. and 501. freeholders. The con. sequence was, that the mind of the real freeholds= was overlaid and defeated. The Hon. Member for Cork Castle (Mr. Banker) fired with Cnostitutiothi seal—(fieer, and a lam s gh) —fired" with Constitoo tional seal, ' he meant to the extent of that House. no furthee.."-clenounced the measure as most un just; and declared that be would rather aspire oa the &or .of that House, in she gratification of his ig-Runnyei nude" feelings , t han agree to this Bill...4Loatif chars and langlder). However be (Mi. P.) might admire the feelings of the -Barons of old, he could not much applaud this modern exhibition of them. But these was a way of making a particular species of freeholders in Itagland--he did not exactly .know the names of *e towns where it was done; he, however, addressed him self to the Hon. Member for Cork Cast le—(lieardrear). The evidence of Mr. O'Connell had been quoted, but he did not think that the quotation etas c A ept s ib be le ueder of mg been Mr O mo, Put sela uPon v i , t s . against meddling with this subject respecting the.forty shilling freeholders, separated from the great question. It had been asked who was hold enough to say :that -Ireland would be satisfied with this ahlr? HeaMr.e.) was, not a great adather of that political courage which was sometimes boasted of ; it was frequently only relit. ness t but he was the man who was bold enough to say that this Bill (accompanied by a pronision ;for the Catholic Clergy) was beyond all others =deo. lated to reconcile Ire' ate' to the changes contefil plated by the Hon.. Bart.'s (Sir F: Burdett's) Bill. Warm an ,advocate as he had ever been for the measure,.he was now more enlacing than ever that it should be im mediately carried cent occurrences, must declare, that of the Protestanrs not a blessing bad been gained ground bad been moment when leading mea' could forget Catholic eause -,~ • 'V,? I . • e itt r o u ltun), , to any anstrods ,em u ) . Mr. L., FATE AIr.,BOKES c o ttulout of the * a ka: which bad heist ' w. . "f ti t t i rto C irtiestta . "pa' wis inn letsti,!ii - 'ion. . paws (um r:Duraett - s) ustr..tvarm as he had ever been for the sneasure,•he w )• e aniions than ever that it should be im- wried; but anxious as he now wits,:from te- aces, that the great measure should pass, he k I . e, that if it were carried against the feelings stants in Ireland, it Would be a curse and ing to the country. What had been. solos kissed by force of argonsent ; every inch of I been so achieved; .but there newer WAS a ien the indiscretion of an advocate local.. 'sure Was calculated to be so fatal. .Igo one K the itaportant wervi4es rendered ,ta ~the ese by the Hun. aud-Learnedrileniber.(hirs and he was incapable of attributing the my bet the shwerest motives; but it was With regret be i hrbehl.the,lgois. and .Leatied Member hsbearing to .4ekat by.bis inslisqiiims, the vein sticiOots at , .. .. [ITER 1;241,111d. " . • OC,kis said ihat - he thool,il appeal to the the apppsp ~wbOe ke , repelleifttlii itbarl.s 4een ti pkile !pin_ ,g.iiim. 'He liid ries . cr Vsed 4 Iguerate4aewitielskitilte It ht se . A Gables,* Ili eseetb .fei the reirsees. ,itle„Refe. ' , Nan& the kat reiribOi lie dXss, y , that k ,wais petal, sums . . ~ - - -