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F" --- -, , • - F S telowir'7 77— a warder. It•was idle to say that thkilish peasant had justice. He conjured the Hon raW Gentleman; to consider the course which simile cts had taken. The lit Convention Act did not stop die ieellion. He was ol io e nough to recollect the horrors of that time, and who was worst of all, the Union. With. regard to the Act which the Right Hon. Gentleman had of late years in troduced, it had been evaded, and he believed that there were ten thousand mote Orangemen last year than the year before. He knew what the French Police was, and he knew that all such systems ended in espionage.' This was what such a system tended to, although it might not be so nov4 It was a gagging system, and one which tended to hostilize every man in the coun try. He protested against such a system. It could not' hut hurt Ireland, and prevent speculation and capital entering that country. Rather t han live there under such allill, which might be evaded every day, he would rather live in England, or anywhere. Now, what had the Irish Parliament done for Ireland? It had got her a free trade, and that was mote than an English Parliament Would do.. Since the Union, the people had been kept down by the bayonet and force. When it was said that an 01 angeman could not be distinguished from a Protestant, he denied the fact. In Ireland, those two characters were well known from each other. — They had beard a good deal about the hate of a Catho lic for an Orangeman. He maintained it was a natu ral expression; the Orangemen hated the Catholics — (Hear, bear). It was very well to talk of being smote upon one cheek and turning the t.ther. hut who would do it? Let them look at the epithets which the OrAngemen applied to the Catholics — arch-bends, demagogues, and so on. The fact was, that in Ireland there was one party whom the Government persecuted, and ano ther whom they supported—( kar, hear). lie had thought it his duty to kis country to state what he had stated, and would not tres pass on the House further. Captain MABEItLEY said that he lose with regret, and he might say with indignation, to advert to the proceedings of his Majesty's Ministers. He charged them with having done what was unusual as re garded that House, and what was most cruel as regarded Ireland. It was upon notoriety that they pre tendedto found their measures, although it was plain that the Government of the Country, and those who ought to be best acquainted with the proceedings of the Catholic Association, were real? ; ignorant of what they were doing. But what sort ofnoteriety was that, when the Right Hon. Secretary for Ireland, and the Right Hon. Secretary for Foreign Affairs actually_differed as to the grounds upon which they assented to the measure it was now proposed to take ?—One said that the Catholic Association was a virtual representation of the people, and that, therefore, it should be put down; it was a sort of Parliament. The Right Hon. Secretary for Foreign Affairs declared that this body did not represent the feelings of the people, and upon that ground he justified the introduction of a measure to get rid of it. How different was the course when the state of the country in 1799 would have justi fied different proceedings! Even during the terrible times of the French Revolution, when there were Clubs and Corresponding Societies, and the yet burning em bers of tebellion in Ireland, so unwarrantable a course as that now proposed had not been adopted. There were reports of Secret Committees, almost without number, upon the table of the House. But did Govern ment offer to introduce Bills for the Suppression of Corresponding Societies without inquity ? Not even in those times did they venture to pass Acts of Parliament without referring documents to the House, or appoint ing a Committee to investigate. The first charge he bad to prefer against the Right Hon. Gentleman who originated the discussion was, the use of the expression 66 virtual representation!" It was an expression coined during the period of the debates on the American Re volution. The Americans were told at that time that they were virtually represented, but They did not hap pen to think that enough for them. What followed? Why the Americans erected a Parliament of their own —this he called virtual Representation with a ven geance. But the Right Honourable Gentleman, not satisfied with attributing to the Catholic Asso ciation the sin of virtually representing the Irish people, went on to call them a Parliament. The Right Honoutable Gentleman went very smoothly on .sy imperceptible gradations to the object he had in view. He is abed to establish a resemblance between the powers of the Catholic Association and those of Par liament. They had a President, he told them, and that President, although now temporary, he had heard it was their intention to make permanent. As to their apeing Parliament, because they had Committees and such like, he denied the inference. In that respect the Catholic Association had anedelled itself upon the usages which prevailed in all countties. All that their regulations or President did was, to maintain a certain order in their proceedings, preventing more than one I man speaking at a time, and so on. This was what was observed at the commonest parish meeting in the' kingdom. Although he might, perhaps, concur with the Right Hon. Gentleman to pass a general law re stricting all Societies, yet that would not be a reason why he should assent to the present measure, which went to put down the Catholic Association. Theßight Honourable Gentleman had chosen the Convention Act as the basis of his present measure. Now that Act had already failed, and he wondered why that which had beet% so inoperative should be selected as the most pro bable to be efficient now. But it never would be effi cient enough to suppress the Catholic Association en tirely. It would charge its name, without losing any of its energy. Mr.O'Connell and his fellow-labourers would continue to annoy the Ministers at every turn. The Hon. Member read an attract from Mr.O'Connell's 1 speech, stating his determination to hold similar meet- 1 ings in some way or other. If the Association could net meet as a formal body. it could meet at least as a dinner party. He would ask whether the Attorney- General for Ireland had lin-go:ten the facts which took place in 1811? The Catholic Coinmittee at that time was taunted with not repitseoting the feelings of the whole Catholic Body. They answered," You shall see," and immediately called a Convention, consisting or the Catholit Peers, Poeta' sacra, Baronets, and ten delegates Gent each County in Ireland. The Government soon became alarmed, and the delegates wet e dispersed under what was called the Convention Act. But though the Catlaolie Committee was dissolved, yet every individual Member was re-appointed, and the same thing would • take place again if the Association should be suppressed. Wick suds a knowledge of former facts, he was sur pi ized to see the Right Lion. Gentleman proceed in ex actly the tame way again. All the machinery of law would beput in moliora, but in vain, for it was impos sihle that the ponderous armed force (if he might use tteespeessionl of Government, could stand the contest with gee light airy troops of the Catholic Association. Ildr. O'Connell, Mr. Shia, and a s i ng le Repotter, could of themselves form another Association as good as that which at present existed. It was important , keep the actual sta te of Irelanai et:instantly in vies, be cause as that stat e was the ground of the piesentinea-, sure t the true character of that measure could not be properly ascertained without cautiously examining the condition of Ireland. He had roticied in Ireland ever since the last Session of Parliament, and in the quar ters formerly the most disturbed. There were no longer any of those murders, massacres, and burnings, which used to fill so many melancholy pages of Irish histbry. The rent was punctually paid, and leases were regularly made. This v. as a proof of tranquillity, for so long as any disturbance existed, the Itish peasant preferred trusting to-the chapter of accidents rather than engage himself by the obligation of a lease. Many of the mea sures of the present Irish Government deserved praise. The Tithe Composition Act, and the Insurrection Act i l had both been greatly beneficial. Of the Police Act he could likewise speak in praise. The Police force was 'a decent and well-conducted body of men—few offences were committed by them—(Hear)—still they were a kind of force which required a most active and diligent controul, as they had all the inconvenience of a mili tary body, without its capability,discipline,and controul. The Catholic Association had also contributed its share to the establishment of order in Ireland. In spite of all the censure which had been cast upon the Address of that body, he must think that such a pathetic and skil ful appeal could not fail to have a great effect upon the feelings of a generous peciple. Circulated, as it had been, through the channel of a Priesthood, it hadgreat influ ence over the peasantry. Nor did he share in the horror expressed against the phrase 64 by the hate you bear to Orangemen:' He had learned from very respectable Catholics, that a general impression prevailed amongst them, that the Orangemen were trying to stir up an in surrection in the South of Ireland. True or false, this was their impression, and no wonder that the Catholic leaders had like thoughts. The real force of the phrase was ,4 by all that you consider sacred." It was an ap peal to their warmest feelings, and nothing more. A great many stories had been circulated about plots and rebellions at Roscrea, Carlow, and New Ross. Yet on enquiring, they all turned out to be fabrications. The great secret of Irish tranquillity was the improved con dition of the people—the increase of trade—and the augmented happiness of the people—(Hear). That tranquillity, however, was in danger of being inter rupted by a circumstance which, when alluded to by an Honourable Baronet (Sir H. Parnell), had excited the sneer of the Right Honourable Gentleman. He meant the Bible Societies. He concurred in repro bating the rash and outrageous attempt of those two modern crusaders, who went about Ireland to make, as they avowed it themselves, converts and proselytes. As a specimen of the manner in which these controver sialists conducted themselves, he would read an extract from a Report of a Bible Meeting held at Carlow, which lasted several days. It was an extract from the dialogue which took place: " Mr. M'Sweeny-- I choose to personate a Socinian : how will you convince,upon your own principles, that the divinity of the Simons Meats pater at esejor me—My Father is greater than I.—How do you explain that?' " Mr. Pope .. 4 By fair and legitimate reason. If the Ilxossmaa be declared GOD in very many passagee, as I have shewn you this morning that he is, then we must look for some explanation of the passage that will not militate against them. I inquire, is there any verse in which the SAVIOUR. was inferior to his FATHER without compromising his essential divinity ?—The answer is obvious in his mediatorial office and in his human nature. This is, then, the ex planation I would give:—Cunner, while one with the Danes, and equal to him in his Godhead, is inferior to the FAIIIML in his mediatorial capacity and in his manhood." " Mr. M'Sweeny replied—' That will not do, Sir : you have proved nothing; you have given an explanation that may satisfy yourself of there being nothing in the passage inconsistent with the FARRIS considered as to his Divine nature. " Mr. Pope said— I don't know what the Gentleman means by proving nothing.' " Mr. M'Sweeny—' The Father is greater than He! You have not, Sir, explained this text so as to satisfy a seaman, though you* wake for three hours and a half, and during your speech you wan dered considerably from the subject.' " Mr. Pope—' I certainly did speak for a long time, but I day that I wandered from the subject.'—This was followed by loud cries of No, no!'—' Answer question now.' " Mr. Daly—Mr. Pope has answered the question. I appeal to you all if this is not fair play ? Should be not answer the "NSW now ? Yee are all honest Irish fellows, and I am sere like fair play. " Mr.M'Sweeny—l will refer to the Chairman whether you an swered the question or not? " Colonel Rochfort—l must decline giving an opinion upon this subject—(' Bravo ! bravo!' and loud cheers). " A Gentleman here presented himself to the Chairman, ma said—' From the feeling which bas been manifested, I Welt the Meeting ought to adjourn for the present.' The scene of tumult that followed this lasted for several minutes. The Chairman en deavoured to calm the Meeting. " The Rev. Mr. Shaw endeavoured to address the Meeting, bat it was impossible to catch a word that fell from him. It appeared to be the intention of the mob not only to prevent the Reverend Gentleman from being heard, but to proceed to acts of personal violence against :he Protestant Clergy assembled on the platform. With this view, the temporary barriers which were erected for the purpose of dividing, were broken down. " Several of the candles were extinguished, and a scene of riot and confusion took place, the most disgusting and disgraceful. Tip doors of the chapel had been closed, and the violent knocking and yells of those without, contributed not a little to the horror of the scene. Mr. Battersby, the officer commanding the police, having intimated to the Clergy of the Established Church, that from infor mation of which he was in possession, as well as his own per sonal observation, he could not undertake to be answerable for their lives, unless they immediately retired, the Rev. Mr. Wing. field, Daly, Pope, and Jamieson, were obliged to scale a wall eight feet high, whereby they escaped the insults and attacks of an in furiane rabble. " Mr. Cleary , alked if the meeting was to be adjourned, and for what period?" " The Chairman—The meeting is adjourned sine die. " Mr. Clowry—Then I am quite satisfied for the present — (Loud and triumphant cheers). " The Rev. Mr. O'Connell then ascended the pulpit, front which the Rev. Gentleman gave thanks to Coo for the triumph. that had been achieved; and also returned thanks to Colonel Rochfon foe the manner in ..bich he had contributed to it. "—(Loud laughter from all sides of the House). Such were the materials which Parliament would have to deal with in legislating about Ireland. He ascribed much of the growth of the Catholic Association to such injudicious discussion. Last Session they heard little of the Association, and a great deal of tithes, Grand Juries, partial laws, Orange Societies, but nothing of the Association. He was in Dublin last July, and attended, as a stranger and unknown, at some of their meetings. The language he heard was temperate, and the rent was very low. Within three months the rent rose from 501. per week to 5001. Within that period nothing had risen to occasion such an increase but the Bible So ciety Meetings, which attacked the Priesthood, and through the Priesthood the Irish people. The Hon. Baronet (Sir Henry Parnell) was perfectly right in attributing so much to the Bible Societies. There was an intense expectation throughout Ireland that Ca tholic Emancipation was ultimately to be effected by the labours of the Association. He traced to this feeling the enthusiastic readiness with which the people con tributed to the rent. If thatexpectation were crushed by the present measure, the re-action would be dread. ful. He did not mean to justify all the proceedings of the Association, if indeed all he had heard were true; but from his own enquiry he had learnt but little, and in spite of all he had heard or seen' be ohs still very ig norant of the real nacre of the Carbolic Association. There were many others In the some state of ignorance with himself. Measures so itopostant ought not to be passed without some previous facts. He did not be lieve that the Association had done any berm in Ireland, though he feared it had retarded the canse of Emanci pation in England. Where he could not justify the con duct of the Association he could excuse it. When they were few in number and the subscriptions were trifling, they were taunted as not being the Representatives of the Catholic Body : and now,when their number had increased lad their rent was large, they were accused of wishing to intimidate the Government into concessions. He was of opinion that the Asso ciation ought to be left alone. If it were put down by violence great confusion would be created in Ireland. It was impossible that • the Catholics could remain much longer in their present condition. They must either be reduced to the state of helots, or perhaps of ex termination, or they must be admitted to an equality of privileges and rights with the rest of the community. Whether Entancipa. tion were granted now, or at a later period, still it must be granted, or the country would be reduced to the most lamentable state of disorder, rebellion, and ruin —(Hear, hear, hear). Sir N. COLTHURST said, that he had always been the advocate of Catholic Emancipation, yet, as that mea sure was deferred on satisfactory grounds, he felt it his duty, in the meantime, to vote for the proposition of the Right Honourable Secretary for Ireland. Allowing a great deal for popular effervescence, and the excited passions of a large assembly, still he could not overlook the systematic attempts of the Catholic Association to irritate and disturb the country. They had for:ned themselves into a most tremendous tribunal, and had levied taxes by the most despotic agencies. The Hon. Baronet read a letter from one of the agents of the As-' sociation to a Gentleman in the South of Ireland, who had persuaded his tenantry not to pay the rent.' The letter-writer hoped this was riot tt rte, because, if it were, he should be obliged to declare his name and offence to the Catholic Association—(Cries of liter). He wished to see Ireland governed, not in this way, but by the medium of the laws. He never wished that Ireland should hold its tranquillity by so precarious a tenure as the will of a self-constituted Association—(Heer). The present tranquillity of that country he ascribed to other causes, to the judicious exercise of the extraordinary powers entrusted to Go vernment, to the improved condition of the people, and to the jjin creased attention paid to their wants , aide d by English capital, English habits, and English example—(heer). As he did not be lieve that the Catholic Association furnished any such desirable as sistance, and as it outraged Protestant feeling without advancing Catholic Emancipation, he should vote for its suppression. Colonel DAVIES said, that he was ready to admit cases might arise where strong measures like the present would be necessary and just. In any such emergency, if the Catholic Association were brought within the limits of the necessity, he would readily join in voting for new and severer laws, and for aiding, if it were necessary, such laws by the power of the Government. But be did not believe this was now the case, and he was convinced that the measure now submitted to the House, instead of allaying any unquiet spirit in Ireland would only inflame and make it more dangerous. Some part of the measure appeared to aim at the Orange As sociations; but when he considered who the reputed framer of the Bill was, when he recollected that Noble Lord's (Lord Eldon) sagacity and known opinions, he could not but suspect it to be done for the purpose of blinding the Catholics of Ireland. If these Orange Associations were put down they would start up in an other way, The Bill was directed against Societies which excluded any one or more religious sects. Sup., pose the Orange Societies were put down , t he y would ' be opened as clubs to which all religions were eligibßis But as all members would be elected by ballot, none but Protestants would be chosen. The Catholic Asso ciation might do the same, and so far the Bill would be a complete failure. As to the oaths to be taken, every one who was acquainted with the state of Ireland must know that the oaths were necessary, inasmuch as the Orangemen were held by a stronger bond than that of hatred to the Catholics, and a wish to retain their usurped power. The truth was,,that the Bill struck at the Catholic Association alone, and the Orange Asses ] ciations would be left untouched. He was not the ad vocate of Catholic Emancipation, nor of the Catholic Association, but wished to keep a neutral position.— It was beneath the dignity of Parliament to take notice of the speeches delivered in that Association. The Right Honourable Secretary had greatly overrated the Catholic Rent, when he stated it at £160,000 per annum. It was evidently falling a until the violent intentions of Government were made known, and then the feelings of the people were roused, and they increased their subscriptions. Even now there were many parts of the country where not a shilling had been contributed. He did not believe that Emancipation, if granted, would do so much towards tranquillising Ireland, as would a better and more impartial administration of justice. The present measure would not assist to improve the administration of justice, but would exasperate and insult the feel ings of the Catholics ; and he should therefore vote against it. Mr. DOGHEILTY began by observing, that he had heard it said that the Catholic Question had no greater enemy than the Catholic Association; and if that were an opinion which required any confirmation, it would have been afforded by the speeches of the two Honour able Members who last addressed the House. In that House he (Mr. llogherty) had no opportunity of giving any opinion on the Catholic Question, and out of doors be had studiously abstained from it. His ardent wish undoubtedly was, that the Catholics might obtain the objects which they sought, and he trusted that no ob stinate perseverance of the enemies, nor would-be-re. presentative: of the Catholics, would prevent him giving that vote which he. intended to give whenever that great question should come before the House t It was his wish—indeed, it must be the wish of every one• of those who sat around him, to take the popular side of the question : but on a subject so difficult and com plicated, he respected the opinions of those who had, after a careful investigation, conscientiously arrived at a different conclusion. He was sorry to have been led so far into the subject of the Catholic Question, which was not immediately before the House, but it was so mixed up with the other question, that he could not g 0 into the discussion of that other subject, without avow. ing his sentiments upon it. He felt that be should be wanting in his duty to his constituents, if he did not .say that the Association now existing in Ireland had been carrying on for a length of time proceedings ut terly irreconctleable with the Constitution, and that there did exist an alarm among all classes of persons, not Orangemen alone, but all rational persons, not heated by party spirit, from observing the tenour of their pro ceedings. It was calculated, by perpetually holding up mistatements of law and fact, to irritate the people against the Government and although the Hon. Gen tleman (Capt. Maberley) had stated thaehe was present at one of the Meetings,nt which he did not observe much intemperance, either of conduct or language, he (Mr. D.) could only say, that the Hon. Member had been extremely fortunate in his cfioice of the day on which he visited them ; but be (Mr. llogherty) had read the whole of them, as published by a Paper which was their avowed organ ; and he did sty, that there never existed an As- sociation, that day after day, end week after —week' had even presumed to put. forth statements of such in inflammatory- nature. It was not contended that the Association was a good one, and he, believed there were • few persons but would admit that it was an evil. and not a necessary evil. If such rut Association were at tempted to be established in this country, it would be put down in one week ; if then, such a Society was dangerous in England, what must it be in IrelandP —With 'respect to the administration of justice,—he would say, and he spoke from an experience 'Of some years in that country, that the. administration of justice was equal in its application both to Catholics and first testants. For the truth of this, he would not ask the House to rely on his unsupported assertion, for he would confidently refer them to the minutes of evidence taken before the Committee for enquiring into the state of Ireland, which had been laid on their table beat d4y The first witness who spokoon that subject was Blackburn; the second was a Gentleman of great re spectability, who had been the Circuit for twenty years the third was Mr. Justice Day, who, in answer to the _ question whether, from his observation, persons had as muck confidence in the administration, of justice as in England? he answered, that in his opinion, justice was very fairly administered, and the Jut ie., composed of equal, and sometimes unequal, numbers of Catho lics and Protestants, had behaved well. The Grand Juries were not composed in the same proportion, as the Roman Catholic Gentry bore but a small proportion. to the Protestants. He was asked whether verdicts had been given by Juries with any reference to religious feelings? and he replied, that religion never seemed to have entered into their imaginations—(A He apprehended that no future Judge would be able to give such evidence, if the House permitted the conti nuance of the Catholic Association ; file he would put it to the House, whether, to use the language of the day, such a Joint Stock Company, for carrying on pro secutions, could exist, and not taint the administration of justice? The House had been told that the Rent was a voluntary contribution ; but those persons knew* little of the state of Ireland, who believed there was such a redundancy of wealth in that country. This Associa= lion were not representatives of the people elected; they were adopted, and adequate for air the purposerof mischief; and cf the two, he would rather have had the Catholic Committee ; inadequately as that was consti tuted, it yet had a portion of the Catholic Gentry in it. Whatever might be the seeming, he was satisfied many of the Catholics were not cordial in their support of the Association; and he thought that if the Association did not grow worse by time, and (fr , an the unanimous ex pression which he anticipated of the sentiments of this House) feelthe necessity of changing their conduct; there would be a separatioa of all the respectable part of the Society. If the Roman Catholics did not sepaa rate from the Association, they would indefinitely post pone the consummation of their wishes. He perfectly subscribed to the opinion, that the tranquillity of Ireland was mainly owing to the wise, firm, and impartial con duct of the distinguished Nobleman at the head of the Government there; and he cordially subscribed also to the opinion of Sir N. Colthurst, that lie would not owe the tranquillity of that country to anything but the law. He had that confidence in the good sense of sense of the members of that Association, that if a strong expression of the Association being un constitutional was expressed hy the House, it wou!sl be unnecessary to double your army. Sure he was that Lord Kenmare and Lord Fingal would never lend themselves to any pettifogging attempt to evade the law, when it should be once enacted. That there' would be no resistance he was persuaded, from the example of the Vulva teer system, which was put down by a single Resolution of the Irish Parliament. , Mr. D. BROWNE said, that the great evil - of Ireland was the false position in which the people were ' ,laced with respect to etch other ; when criminal prosecutions were carried on in that country, the question always asked was, " Are we to have a good Jury ?" and by a good Jury, was meant a Protestant Jury ; but that, he did not say, was the fault of the Jurymen, but of the situation into which they were forced by the Govern ment of the country. Neither did he complain of the Right Hon. Gentleman (Mr. Plunkett) when he insti tuted prosecutions against either Orangemen or Catho lics; the rectification of this erroneous position of the people, and placing the Catholics in the same situation as the Protestants, was the only remedy for all these evils. Whatever might be said of the Catholic Association, of this he was satisfied, that it bad united together the Catholics in Fatgland, as well as in Ireland; and was, in fact, the greatest step'that their cause had gained for twenty years past. He wis not prepared to say that the existence of the Catholic Association wire, abstractedly con sidered,in the spirit of the Constitution, but he would say, that it was as small an evil as could be expected, considering their situation. Mr. WM. WILLIAMS did not approve the conduct of the Government in - bringing the subject before the House at the present time, bus from the present state of Ireland, In which religious differences appeared universally to prevail ; aid if this measure were rejected by the House it would be atritanPla to the Catholics, which he considered as an evil, and on that ground be should support the measure. 'Mr. DENNIS BROVs'NE supported the measure. He said, till it was mentioned in that House be bed never heard of either Protestants or Catholics carrying their religious prejudices into the Juryy Box. Mr. DOMINICK BROWN explained. Mr. R. MARTIN was perfectly ready to admit the statements made by the Right Hon. Gentleman when he brought in the Bill; but granting them ante shoild feel it his duty not to give his consent to the Will, as he was per suaded it would fail in its effects. The Don. Baronet had formerly repudiated the Claims of the Catholics. It would not advance the Catholic Claims, if the Members against it. were out of the Cabinet. He should vote for the motion. Mr. WAR RE should decidedly vote againit the mo tion, as it would neither restore tranquility to Ireland, nor preserve the tranquillity that at present dwelt there. The state of Ireland required a different remedy. lit the County of Tipperary, out of 497 committed under the Insurrection Act, 4.61 had been acquitted. Should that Association be put down, it would revive - in another shape. That Association arose from the anomalous state of Ireland, and was the expression of the opinions of six millions of people. He recollected the language of the Foreign Secretary, when he stated what had taken place, on the contentions with respect to the equal privileges of all religions. By the constitution of Holland and Belgium, no disqualifications took place from difference of creeds. In 014 country we stood still, while all the world was advancing in the career of toleration. He believed the Bill would fail, and would place the country in a worse state than it now was. Mr. W. WYNN admitted, that the present measure would not tranquillize Ireland, unless accompanied by the great measure of Entaocipation—(Hear, hear.) He lamented the existence of the Association from the in. jury it had done to the Catholic cause. That areas measure would take away the power of doing mischief. —But it that could not be obtained, he must assent to other measures for putting down the evil. if a Pro. testant Association could address its Members by the hatred they bore to Catholics, what would be the feelings of the Catholic population ? He had always been hos tile to Orange Associations, because, besides the evil they produced in themselves, they gave rise to such As' sociations as the present. Wherever these Associations sat ti. N t' II V tbl H i P' li i 1 P 1 w a si C it U r 0 , r 1 I t 1 1> , . 1 i ) ' 4 1, i i ! •i i ~ 1 i i 1 I 1 `' Ili ; • _ I It' 0 ' ' i ' 1 4" obtained, the , partial, nor pt period, had bee the name of St should have b would putting down measure before trustesl l nbtwitl that the measu bpinion of Par Mon of this ant that effect. The tn , Be would at all ti tion, from wear., • Mr. CALCR hilted their 'l4 H \vas friendly to believed*, whe high g MeMber decidedly hostil present Associai so ciations—( He • tholics, - and tilos He hoped the would press leg till they obtains an instance of a loyal exercise of was a pretended Silent was made agreeably surpri Long before the sociation would another form. ' prevented from gross mistake. land, the'Cathol what could bay King was accorn hand, and Lord and antidote;" a! of the Catholics, stress had been Eou bear the 0 nglish ears; bi bear to tyranny a bidden to join Me doubt the corrui Union. He fel utmost of his pis such Association denied that . the Claims more uni reverse he belie' Ireland spoke fc tion went on leg. it. The amount the State, was collected for Bit blame was ever man had stated t In another place the Irish Cabinet conduct of the matter of comply all of one mind. divisions, that tl which was only kept of the House. . The Honourable Gentlen tenant, he foresaw coupled with the far town, that he might years emancipation grievances of Ireland Mr. PLUNKS fully discussed i nothing to add to and he should no at all, if he were subject, and its imagine that he c tion. He declare or apprehension The question was eileges, and thre tholics of k eland Members that the attended with c . country. Those sure. Those api by argument or so much sincerit3 them. He truste, ceed in making i interfere with th Roman Catholic terrifying conseq which some had supreme and abso made it imperatit to recollect the r spoken of and a , privileges of the the measure atta they were arraye4 It was not a singl existing evil, it w from the Throne Address of that netted with Irela during the presen to be Committees Ireland, the glum pinion, he appre such consideratio cure the evils of w (Hear, hear). 11 measure, especial said, and truly, unexampled pros' (Mr. Calcraft) sa why the Govern calculated to dis fadeed, in a state in those general c empire, that at tl judicious measure to improve and n try. Undet that confidence had I) tidiously, but ml confidence, than ministration. Th of the Noble Gw When the Noble State was lying Noble Lord had ~