Star. — London, England, 1828-07-04 00:00:00

which he suffered very Much. There was only one point on whicli be should observe. He recovered in an, action against Colonel A rt hur, but that Officer ha vio g g one. abroad, he could get neither his own costs nor those of Colsml Arthur.. This was certainly a great hardship hpoh . .. • Mr. II U NI E said that Colonel Bradley was a much injured jp ' At least the expenses he incurred in the action hgainst CuSonel Arthur should he paid either by•Colottel Arthur himself, ur even by the Government. Sit H. HA RHIN G E said he recollected the case sufficiently to know that the Petitioner had brought an action against Colonel s ' rthyr that actions bad been brought against Colonel kt ro dley himself, and that the result of a legkl inquiry was that Crlerel 'Bradley had been dismissed from his Majesty's service s pun and sufficient grounds. Ile admitted there was something no;.very...Orcct in the conduct of Colonel Arthur in not paying his costs.' Ile was not certain, however, whether Colonel Bradley might not have acted towards hint as he did towards some most honuntaMe men at the Horse Guards, against whom he published libelsand for which actions had been brought against him. This, tuuch was the fact, might have influenced the conduct of Colonel Arthur. Nlr. BROUGHAM said lie did not know whether or not Col. T;radliy had published libels against Colonel Arthur; but surely it ye, :10t the-doctrine at the Horse Guards that a man was not to ' his costs because, he was libelled. There was no ground in .w,or conscience. or honour, for refusin; to pay. .F.r li. HARI:SINGE said he meant merely to say that a feeling -‘ght have been pro-Weed in the mind of Colonel Arthur, which en dered him disinclined to pay his costs. He did not mean to ay that in law and equity he was not bound to pay. Mr. 13ItOUGIIA Nl—Not only in law and equity, but in honour Ind conscience. 11r. HUME thought that Colonel Arthur ought to be compelled .0 ..htwe costs. r . II. HA RUING E said be had no dnubt that, upon proper ,ir';rtitation to Colonel Arthur from the Colonial Office, the costs wuuld be paid. • PROUG HA M said there were other Officers on foreign service to *born similar representations shOuld be made. Sir H. NAB DINGE said it was not customary for the Seere !.,r! at WO to interfere, - unless with reference to debts eontricted , r . n iiit.ey equipments. •4t was -not the custom to-interfere in• ris.tr debts.--The Petition was ordered to be printed. IRISH UNION. Mr. MAURICE FITZGERALD said, that in rising to move for Copies of the Correspondence at the Eng lc!i with -the Irish Government, at the time of the uwii n l, he could not bin regret the thinness of the House, ~i.•; l 4o.rtictilarly the absence of the Right Honourable. VinitTer for Knaresborough, who was as competent as e. - was veilFrit to' 'give his Motion the most efficient.. ~til.sPritL lie wai•not'about to enter upon the general vestiOn of Catholic Emancipation, for nothing could bi' - nitore .unjustifiable than to bring forward such a tlik at so late a period of the Session ; his question lithi'to be discusSed on its own merits. He should beAle to' rnvq- it without-having reference to those staieliiitin and *quotations • which were recently made when'lthe — iiiirestrOn was before the House, and he sh'iteil.infy 'beg. leave -to ' refer to what had heen nkeied by Mi. l'itt at . the tine of the Union. Although 14-hasi - geiterally differed • from Mr. Pitt on 'political qiiitikins,•he had never had any reason to doubt the Frtfat Minister in what he had stated as his opinions on the merits of the Catholic. Question. On . a.Right Honourable Gentleman op piviiiFfutd iitidtthat he denied that Mr. Pitt, Lord Coin- Lifrd taitiereagh, had given any pledge, or ha/bsi;tl anyesoression that could be construed into a plbdgt-, to the-roman Catholici of Ireland. The Right' tiOnbtitalife - Gtistiernan -then added, that he did not life- 1 10 7 04nd' irt:a'sense meaning a solemn obliga tion, but as synonymous with anything held binding in honour.. watt - :Y,brrap and unqualified de nial of the ptisifiddon which ht( i Nlr.Fitzgeraid) set out; but if herwilbwfici :that' Itidh • pledges, at leash :in the ilql 4 4ll7e'of"the'.Wdrit, had been--given, he should ritAliN'tltititt4rt of the Cathblich Jer liatAisb;:svpairi. be billding on.the national gOod faith. if. TM he In the strict sense of the word pledge, he was ready to concede that nor:pledge waigiveri,nor could be:gyen,nor . ought todwer been givenaothe introducing : tlie Uoitou to the notice ot.theAritisli,P;tin ltamenr.in-1499,..adverted collie situation of the country: . and to the ciebutostances: iffieh forced thre measure dpcin! tae attenOkriftie I,ood3ture... He allided to the in . termddistractious,bf Ifelauld;rfre.stfuggles of sects, .and th'eractiltie, rliejCotrered not only en dengering Ireland, but...bringing the.cormection of—the two countries into hazards- M. Pitt - sa+d, that he fouod thaigl4t.Dit,senters of kliciekriiition's were ezeltided frOna tkeisConstitatibriafPAviiigesond th4a ilnotioldlibl all; power. and •ad vautages was vested-Ma very small mind. rtritonsisting - eotir ely•of . adhetests to .the Established' Chdrch. kar.to're'inedytheledefectirthat lib intro dticed the measurenf . the Uniern ; andthat Union having been completed o lreland ought to have fulfillethowards hee.the expectations' Which !lad teen excited in order to induce her to consent to the measure. In Switzerland, anlin some other cases, thele were central Assemblies - Of reference upon disputed rights between component or cilitlederate par ties ofthe same station. tan incorpora tenUnion,like that 41 England and Ire lan d,did not posseis anysec!iadVant rge, for it Merged the authority of both States into - in Asse;iibly, Which wis'necessarily supreme leer all purposes. hut it could not be denied, that. some. moral obligation existed as to the rights of the weaker lifry 'after the Union, and' these ought to be :more binding'upon - the party that was stronger, than if there" was any common arbitrator, or than it the twp parties vete ofequal force. Gtotius had laid down thii doctrine. In'the'Union with Scotland, that kingdom had the ad vantage of haring had all the points of national policy fully discussed and settled befcire the Union was corn pieted by Act of Parli a m en t The consequence was to Scotland general tranquillity, and all the objects which Lai:renal prejudices looked to were fully secured, and tbe.nationalchurch was established. But in the case of Itt/atid, the only settlement of such points previously trythe confirmation of the• Union by Act of Parliament, was !o be found in the speeches uttered in that House; and. Members of Government ought not to hare mide diclaiatinos unless they intended to redeem them.— .Cheie was. la pamphlet published . by a ltev. Gentleman, vsnoseemedoto prepare a periodical work on the Catholic Question, whenever it arose, and to furnish all-the argu= silents mliteh - were needed by the opponents of that mew. Hon. Member then referred to many pages of the paMphlet, to prove tlaat its author was guilty of ,ks-qurotrug mid misrepresenting authorities.) The lan wage of; Air. Pitt, by which he procured the passing ,,j that nteasulei was not to be mistaken. He had held out to the Catholics expectations which Inid not been reZised'. • fie had eoAces.ions could not be kaOqy made to tat Citnolicx. ithilittbe countries con tirit.e4 separate.• . From: this. the only inference was, th - 4t cnocessions could be made after the Union. Mr. Eli , :t had official knowledge of the subject, and he had. delivered his sesitimeots unequivocally. Mr. Etut had said ! " it is true, that no bond had been etven to the Roman Catholics ; hut certainly expecta• uhris, and something like promises were held out, which, lily naiad,. °oda 'to be More binding than a bond." Air. Eliot had tuaintainedtbat the Union was facilitated . ty such promises. Nothing could be more unmanly than the author of the pamphlet's miueptesenting Jar. Eliot's words for the purpose of sneering at his meaning, and getting rid of his authority. Although such promises were not binding in .law, they were obligatory on coo science, according to the doctrines held brad eminent pen sons who had tritium on the subject. Puffer:Wolff had • • aitu 134 e shims Os he ens In rit'3l4 'awe* Aisied rotteem 1 1 1 1 1 / ' ram a do th e b ia* y' ' 5' my of P. cbsoi" NW" t otter dog ib g 111 S I°l toned go atio4 mate prodICY. I beC °l f ii th! ; ro Slier; classed impeifect promises under three heads. Ode class was an expression of an intention on the part of a person to do-iArriettiiifrof his awn- *free will at•st future.airne, an - d-which the persehrecei:ing the promisehad no mirtal 01 enforcing by law. This' was precisely the care...p, point. - • Now P-uffendorff m aintaine d that such promises ought not to be got rid of by any technical objections. and that the patty was bound to perform implied .promises. • This Was the shit of piemise acknowledged by Mr. Eliot to have been giien to Ireland by the Eng lish Government at the time of the Union. With re- - spect to the obligation of performing such promises by the successors of those who made them, Puffendorif -maintained that the supreme power of a State was a permanent body, and obliged to fulfil promises made by indiaiduals who had at - any previous time composed that body. It was on this principle, and in this spirit, that Mr. Eliot answered Lord Castlereagh. He had said " this pledge is obligatory on England, and it was not just to depart from the promises which had faci litated the Union." In the enly part of the discussion Mr. Fox had assented to the Union, on the grounds of its securing to Ireland the benefits which Mr. Pitt had held out to that country in his speeches. Mr. Pitt had said that he proMoted the measure, not only as tending to strengthen the empire, but with reference to the local interers of lieland, and with reference to every thing that could give Ireland its due weight and importance as an aggregate 'member of the empire--as a means of improving its resources, and of duly participating in all' the blessings which this' country'. enjoyed. Mr. Pitt contemplated the admission of the Roman Cat ho lics to Parliamentary privileges as an immediate result of . the Onion, and he meant to convey this impression upon their minds. He had said that it was his intention. to identify the Irish with the English, to mate them parts of the same community, by giving them a sharein The blessings so happily diffused throughout - Great - Britain; Mr. F tt had said. " it this measure came recommended, by the defects of cur system which now exist.; if it came recommended merely as a means of increasing the general power of the empire; 'they had' next to' con-* sider it in its effects upon the Irish people. %Virile Ireland was separated from England, no measure could be taken in favour of the Irish Dissenters. Until the kingdoms were united, anrattempt to make regu lations on the internal *state'of t lleliiid a/MAW* y.itio- . lation of her independence:" rslVlr..sPett tien..talked..af adopting another system with reapers ter tWOatholles.. His words were, " I should say that the establishing oaf' an • lmperial Ligisleture was the only meaps.of heatirig the wounds and.establishing the tranctilliai:of lielatad., for the people of Ireland felt that the-existence of :Pre-' testant ascendancy was a rational grievance' '''Agaili Mr. Pitt picizeeds, "No Mail cadenfeitairia'doirtit !hie.. the question of religious iegulatiOns, is.one.on 7 whicli- a. mot e•sati favor,- solution.maf be obtained.thaaatpre. sent:. No One can he,itate't r b*lieVethattenceillioutitte necessary to s tisfy the Cl'iligici:tiflieltict:t.bdf Opii:W sirn , ,a hilt t the couariesremarn separate,Caninatite otede * . in such a manner a. nct to alarm and endangertheSsate.".. 'lt was true ha: Mr. Pit had:giVen . no, distinct pledge on the subject ; and WhY?'lleranse the'PrOtestant body of.lreland, were opposed to Catholic Emencipekna t. epia ; would have opposed the Union,aif therkeer that it was to • followed by such a measure.: Jildxst.Mx.:.:Pitt,'s opinions on the question were.well-IrnowsWaisk 4inny , doubt 'eiisfed no •the subject; it"siai - • - reftfOietf*tils letter to..the King : There _a ere twq'4fretifilstikii ; ea'SP which he felt it necessary to s allude, ands in dean& sei,. he should of necessity be - obliged-ta speak of _-iiiinseit Lord Cornwallis arrived in 4 lrelattdrinriniphilehtilta, which theii IN ge4:i ii 'Oa CO u e'ttf. '. ,JTe, cAiii4 'tti:thi; . country with the full Con fi denceaf.6OVereign,aaaal• the people:of Iratindalsavtirs arrival• proddcett•abena flail. chtege i -11e•put a 'itok to Mit fail: bitOtit itirtslititf the various druel practical then Cliiii.illon.,*.Mre4nOili t i word, be.. ; saysedabe.xosintry freni,-; that : ditiltiaiatioia... PI - factiort - : which had :so long' preeailedliar-Ate-i. aim': moment Lord= Chrnwallis's• sehtinielltr• wAve—kno . 4o o ; he INAS 'abandoned . by . tl:if . Viole - oLittii . '. 0.00 4 11.:f4=': Lion; i but furtheri tOey ttie4 io l , seute bra t .44lty had served Lord 'Fitzwilliam • and, Sir ll:alpha Akers crembie. ' , That -brave and!gailasn' (9iffcetOtedr-betar driven:Rom lieland p ,' . beCanile - tii - viof44, ocAl , trAttt his ' . soldiera . . to be ,Plareii .at : Tice.; coaiirer, J ; 94 . t,he cabins ,of the Irish peasantry; because .:4-....fedeL , as.,a: Man and a soldier, that suCh-Si procersdirig kViould' l not only be cruel to it e : • - nitiiesi but calculated to produce io.ubordinationYamilligst his :troops.: , =But fi r this - the Gallant Offiter- *lc denouieed—at Ae• Bei of the Heuer of Ler& by NI r.Foster in alich 7 l- *ay. that he felt it n-cessaiY to resign liii'coiatirith& ' ' YR, Right Honourable Member, after advertin& ta ige 14. 1 rious attacks and lampoons published ,;tamps[., ciali Cornwallis, went on to observe, that that loble. Laird 4 14 came to a determination not to retain his •Liemenatsets unlessexpressly supported-by a declaration of alseopinions of the Irish Parliament. This declaration ••vess tread ; and the Noble Lord continued in office. 'He-nett alluded to the speech Made by 'ter. Pitt in 1805,.ia O'ider'to show th..t Mr. Pht had held out a distinct krineiii .. or EminciPatiOn to .. the'Romen Catholies,.and hadadatained their support of the Union upon :that express. growth' , If it had not been for that support, the Utricsn.isoirld never have been carried, as it was opposed -by-the-great' body of the Protestants and Protestant , Dissentersia - that country. It was true that some individutitathOlitra bad, opposed that Union, but it was suppor . ted tsa t itreOat body of thiCitholici atitlea thblic clergy s of th4featinfey. ! The Right Hon. Gentleman, after alluding to the letter written by Lord Cornwallis to 'Lord Fingal and Doc tor Gray, said, that all doubt of the support-which-the Catholics had given to the Government' ad ;the time of the Union, must be removed by the letter of-Lord- Cornwallis to the .Du ke of Portlaird;then Serietat y 'tor the Home Department. That letter; a - .cOpriatirbiChahe Right Hon. Gentleman read, staid . that the Ca'rli'6l . i'cs were mainly instrumental in carrying the Mien ; ,fia t' they had it in'their power to frustrate thellitiB6;• mill; if they pleased, to thtow the whole country into ctmftisidtl. l He had - letters from some of the leadingiCathcitis i 14- 1- 'bility in 1805, expressing their an x iety takeeptfie quill tion out of the hands of the OppOsilion•arid in thetralrds . of Mr. Pitt, in order that tie mighrpresi - it 'whetfiver he thought circumstances made it expedient.- . llolhe feelings of the Catholics had'sinee ctringed, if tftefhicl lei !'different coarse, it was to'be attribtit't3 ta those wird hardelayed granting them their righfs . so lone: 'ln an interview he had seven years' ago with Lind Livet- Isnot, WOWas grieved to find what a lamentabfeignorance' of the state of Ireland . that Noblerniiii was in. He drew a bad augury from it at the time,' add to thee ignorance was to be attributed . the delay the Catholic'i had - so long experienced. Appeals hid 'already-been' made to the British nation, and more wriuld'be made-2, (heat) ; they would grow more loudortore clameious,and snore dangerous than they had yet been. In bringing forward tnis question - be was not 'insensible to the pre sent situation of Ireland; but he brought it forward in : the hopes that there were those in that House, successors' I :cif MG Pitt. who were inclined to'redeeni the pledgee teen' by him; provided it were provedthat such pledge' was given. He begged pardon - of ditlibuse for havidge detained it-so lnag, and begged iereturn - EIS 'Maki ra I s. .... -,• s . - I . 4!// • ,flO - • ! ~. for their kiiiduess—(Ht a ). TO light lion. Gentleman concluded by moving— s:. "That an humble Address.bapre,senttd to his Majesty, praying c lig e in spo Th 4 n P e tlEce:b n a:w. a ti" :4 l -th .bee j°: 7 l .lEn ili g i?si lish 4f ..in eli dt il tir e :9oti r n 'a me s U o tiv ri le e fa C id r' - lo ahe - flown catheilm . st . this.parismi . 4 the Union. 7 la -• ' .. , n,secupdrsiand put. Mr. Secrbtary PtKL rose. He should fallow the example ofttlirrllight HIM; Gentleman who had intro duced thleclifeirssion; and'eohfine bicniklf to subject More inienedititeli under consideration,;,, tie should not allude to- the present state of affairs in Ireland, or go into any other question but whether any pledge was given by Ministers at the'time of - the Union,. imposing ' an obligation on their successors to adopt their policy . with regard to the Catholic Claims? He should not enter into the consideration of tit-t part of the Right Hon. Gentleman'a speech relating to the pamphlet of Dr. Ph il ixnts, or his quotations in opposition to the Doctor from Grotius and Puffendorif.With respect to pamphlets gene tally upon the Catholic question, if they must be alluded to in debates in that House, perhaps the most convenient course wo old be for Honourable Members to compote one themtelves—(A laugh). He did not mean to deny that. Mr. Pitt was a friend to Catholic emancipation. provided it were' accompanied with the securities he might illink the relative conditions of this cbuntry and Leland,. and of the Catholics and. Protestants, might require. He was sure that the- Right Honourable Gentleman had pever, in the course of the debates on that • subject, heard a word from him tending to deny that Mr. Pitt was the friend of Catholic eman cipation, He was not prepared •to state what securi ties Mr. , Pitt -would have required ; but when he read his speeches, it was impossible to deny that he thought it woad• beacrf , advantage that this question should be settled. All that part of the Right Honourable Gentle maii's.speech, uttered with 'a view to prove that Mr. Putt vias.fairourabletothe Catholics, he should not notice, as heiMr. Peel)haidnever denied the fact., The only point at isaue...foes the purpose-of this night's debate was, Whether 'AI - re'ri!li, aod the . persons who acted under his, authority, gave either a distinct pledge to the Roman Catholics, or held out assurances and expectatuons ,tantamount in .noble min& to, a posit* pledge that, by Promoting the Union, 'bey: would obtain Catholic Emancipation?: When:he denied that such a- pledge was ever given f •Mosoch- assurances and. excectatioos held out, he did VOlntini Viititive documents, and the Authority of thelhiliiidiasl themselves. ' The Right Hon.Gentlernan had.4l4yimplication, ii not in direct 'words/ that he . lave*.noircdi idu,,ls on-whose personal. „honour and integrit'Vheitadigreater keliance•than on :that of Mr.Pitt,l4draApOpgh, and - 1. e .:4d ContiVallif: File (Mr. Peeli slugdf . 'sivail i hionself . of that . just and !honourable -acitilcsislop,„:,:at4 re t has Aemet..,Of, a, pledge having beetrgiveit grport--eufhority admitted. to .be ao good. If . the 'Riga* lamiou ratite—Men/her ...would 'Have iselieviell' dttisellpilltictuals living; -let! hirfriiiit 'deny their dealalatieniattacl. He entteated tifeTrilit. . . . lion. Gentlemap to slistrietof their positive (letter at loos en Mit:soh:jeer,. 7i lle(Mrilie:,;) was teddy: to grant. to !tie /Le t Hohcihrtible Gentienuad , thia Ile bt#lfeied. Mr:. Pitt,to. d CorriWalles'AVid Lail Casi leVeisi fi,.en ten ai ned aixpectations that ciie4iniegre - queition of the Union itaddiaoilitate Catholic Emancipation, for they could, clot fail rosee the diffitulty shut would lie in the way of' :that measure, with ategiilaftrre to deal witts - eboifiroled 1 is the Irish Parliament:4/.4g: It W ani;elf known that r Mr. Putt retired:4qm iiffiEe'tficriiik afte r the Union.— -The ItigV.ton. pe ß itel n9 r k . wit referre d to three indi viduals, eertainti: the most • iniparitietiat' Wire Con -eeikiiiiiiiitilftransaittoh.ftehuti referied toll:-.Pin,wno wilt at the he.id-ot tite - Governmento Lord Pirliwallit, who was Loed,Lieot,of iieland m -andLord Castlereagh, wbo was the aeorerstative of the Gorrninent in the Irish: lionse _of Common {,. anitthe principal agent in ... .. bringing the'Unibri &oat. IriciteB; - he might say'that ' he did not believe that there was airy Other nran in the. British dominions whotodlll,lh 1799,-the period when i ilie Orion' 'seal Art? 'kepi:l*d; - hive Sur - deeded. -in . the orinftertedid,ltielhere 41-as lit:lrvine - who'artisaessed!in . the satlitrehthierit•detteti - the'C'emttieetiou of. ability and tetopeitf4bich -he -wee'distinguished—(Cbeers), It ivitillich - a -Wait beir tharceuld have avescomes the Millisertmeopliefah with , Which he• was met in the Leah Pirliaideffit-tCheersl.- -Before he went farther into. Oil titiesticin,he irortrid firsebegto inform the House tbati during the last two or three days, behad referred to Ore s * ehele of the cdentspondence, - extracts of which had been thellieclion-Arbroneaat to erproe the motion,he did out - think hienself:ao-liberty ..to, make .use ,of any of the ihforniatiorvinshus s acquired; .but he could not help easing;' thatrhowerter fayourable the opinions entei = of Lord : Cornwallis ,might be, these tiocu i , wainktrotirely-confirm them.. lie did not °. fklieve that complete justice 'had been done to Lord rfekowallis; but 4thert .the,tinie should come for the t co l iit tur. ion 4.....abe w . hole, of the documents he had :alluded to, it. would tend greatly to 'the honour of his memory. Had he quoted these documents he slictsaltl..-not hay -garbled them ; but as he d.d not Mman to agree to the motion that had been made for mie production, he did not-consider himself entitled `w Make wsk" of :41(11! of them in his argement, however essich.they might have'assisted him.. He should con- Inchimself, .then,.to documents to which all .the world had , access. .The'se he considered to be the most sillisfictsary, :as - tlfey, were - either' aid speeches' of oPpsinents;'•be ihe'thiclaritions of the parties themselves. . He-would first -allude td ...the construction to be put. on Mt.,Pitt's speeds, previous to the Union.. Collateral facts might assist.them in the proper course to take in this respect. ` Thelfight tiOnourable Gentleman had quoted a letter - of 'Mr: 'Poet = to •the'Krng, of • 1801; ulg-ifik his Milietty BI- agree with him in tire view. he lob): id tire liiichan Clitholic question. He would ask, es it not singular, if' Mr. Pitt authorized the Roman . .atholics to entertain hopes„that he did not mention the soltjter:ltd- - the.Kier? Mr.Prtt Was then Prio:e Minister, and isiig urging the . questioq -with the King ongriunds, of .general policy; hut how came it that he dittioi say' to-the King, l'."lfecbitiet the . abligation 'of geed fahlti rsaid ill the - 11crittan titholieCthet if-thif woad:v.-Mg d%aaw their opposittnnio the:Union; that I wcatiltPlAriog, thequogion of:klatholic,.Amaucipation fairly •befootb l e. klisliariNt!" - Wray after the . Union Mr:* . P . iit retireir ohim o ffi ce, and by that act p rove d i the imporeafithifig attached to the RcinialiCalholic'aidetilin:- He retitese than from ? oce as any (i'lkirillioister might do, from not being a ble in carry a great ptiblie 4ueitton i and not from having *Were(' int& any pledge with the C 40165014 whieli .he watiliOund, as a• man of:hononr, to redeem, lln 1805 he 'returned' to -office, and the Romeo Cacho: lic Qnestiort was .brought forward in that fionse; anT ' o f all the speeches he had ever heard 'Midi irplin that question, splendid as they *ere, he ifeVerireard one ,which'made se iieit . 'air inipreititin 'on' hinf.as that of Ir,fr. Fox onsthat 4:Occasion. Dr. Duigeaan followed him, 'and Mr: Grattan, he believed, spoke afterwards, but never charged Mr. Fut with-a breach of 'faith. ''HoW :actle it ' ll' •he had given a • piedge, - Ahat Mr. Grattan'. ;did not call•upon. him to redeem it? Mr. Grattan !moat have known all the facts that attended eh; Union; l yet„in.ll . 3os, sitting in that Hoosei • he' bid ' dot i ciii/id . u aw . Pitt t i . 0 t , 'th the caufaikei. , •iic wom IN ., 7.. i oet .. eri . : v..y• • • . ~ . . ' - ."): now beg to ask, what were the expressions of Mr. Pitt himself at that time ? The Right Honourable Gen tleman_wo.tild-kicf that v althongh.. they establl:hect . the importance Kr: Pitt a ttached to itFq4ellion, ~.i iV Pat' they also showed th at he dal not conceive„44o4 had entered WO. auy _obligation towards. tbecitsinirt.. Ciithislics,' which ptevensed•hir&irom fe••enterin; office without making the Catholic Qtiestibit *a Sine qua non.— ; The Right I - ion. Gentleman then read a pftsAlgificitti:, . Mr. Pitt's speech, which ; after denying that any pledge:. *fad been given; ended in these words : si I come, •then, to the pi eseil discussion, perfei'tly free andUntittered.7 ' If, Vet), in the presence of Mr. Fcx and Mr. Grattan, Mr. Pitt declared .himself free and unfettered without , contradiction, and if the Right. Hon. Gentleman-had -uch confidence in the integrity and horibur'nlMF.litti, he could not conceive how it was possible for . him'ecl ; contend that any pledge or .understanding had existed ~ at the time of the Union. - In the correspondence - of - Lord Cornwallis with Mr. PloWden,7there - war' - it . most important letter, which had not been' ''allured' . to by the Right Honourable Gentleinan. This It7er was written at the request of Lord Castlereagh,: Co explain some misconstructions which - had liteh - put upon two papers circulat.d . amongst . the Roman Ca tholics. In it there was a passage. Which stated that Lord Cornwallis had been . cautious to avoid any de claration' upon which the Carliiilics could -raise ex pectations that their wishes -. wodid - le • rnacedea ; ' and that, during the whoie p:•riodoriwnleai's;'While the measure cf tie Unioh was 'under Conslderiiion; no favourable asiorarice or promise was iii•en.• toed .• Castlereagh was more than once questioned'upon tlie'• subject of the pledges deClared to he giVeirt ithe liii matiCailiolici previously to the completion crilhe Crnion; On the 25th of May, 1810, Lord Castlereigh tfiliii-oht this very bold challenge—and the Right Bon. Ge n t le ' . • man himself was present —to those ' who qtrestianecT the course he had' taken in the measure of , lhe Unidicza 'After deprecating the assertions too often fithery..triaffi'• upon this subject, Lord Castlereagh said; it li was sin= .gular if any such pledge was'ever given, .oeatty sncits t : promise made,' that none of the parties to *herrn itwas" . given should now comeforward to•claimits l . ul fi lth'ent•: • But' nonesuch wouldVenture to say that existed ? and`' that no such pledges* were ever given. Nonesuch - were • ever giVeUto his•knowledge, and he had ant)nariti'tti . ,. say'the same for those who acted with him." NOw he • • thought he had - dime enough - to cony incethe House thii, !- no pledge, and no assurance which in hononrahlemincis.! . would' be considered' tantamount 'Olt :Oledge, hisi.eier beit.gi ien by ,1%/1 r.l'itt,.;:Go;ein mitit. 04044 elie.ieTiiiet it could not have descended to his successors ins offick' He did not mean vb d,--ny that•there w•ereeniny.REinan:. • Crliblies'svhb:inferfeiX .11-tiff "the • speether thane* the kne,ihat the• Unioni s vot'ilglel - d' ifi . the c arrying ''4' . l' 'alt. Ca holic Queg inion. It now Only re ained for him to explain the reasons wh.rlie could not 'acquiesce in - the predheticirt of :the piper's for which the" Rigtit llith'i Ge.gtleinin Vad tupyed.' 'The:ltiglit'dori..oentliiikl_, had.saiti. i thit.tihqe wasia. letter:from Mr,.binsdat:l4. Lord Cornwattis adiith he-had heard-lead. and which • - cottraitted- Matter' thift- woufd - lie veil , rnarerfal- tcr the- • qUestion. Noilhe could poiiiiirelyiiite;lth at . if 0 - Right Elonontable(ientlematec metitlo.wcie earristri,so • . such letter.could-be produced,: ..No record of.it;avas , to.. be foetid its` hespublietsffices - With -reoafirtn the edsrAlt: theicitreslino*4l,..ll - th0ugh,„,p,,1F . ,.. 4 . ,,itrritow had been laid - eor the - proclui.tion.allte r fitoideritial Cor• respondence of the Minister 28.yeaesa4e. It would be mpossible. to present extracfp sufficient .to show ~ the course taken by Roman q4t, t op4 :iir ol yea rt-ta - the Union t •withluttiotipaueitig,a, Mass of personal matter, callefelatee-tosiesirat reeling* and erasperationewitielta must be thE - vritlrtstleetyinffrtienvold‘-t(Helat,:ireil:' :He Wal iSfiejfiat tiesc,i'filt . ?118.1t . :4it Irglit!lii.tltl4; Gentleman letters, selected . frAm..i4at,for.resis,aqc t e,,, which, he wall , 'Satirked h o would convince -miss-Aliet--hie, motion would belfeeter•tor ofitticedt lipettErfifielfittirdie he!" Was tiip ilt.htirsi Title ili . Oftcla,;'•'l - ‘`'-'.'7, 7 7. 1 .."" 4 " .1 . . .MX. (it itigg.'sii Operte:i', the ~ criat".'utit...,..Vits contemplate -with- alaim the -preserits , stste-oli - ati A had he not a 'hope rha* his MajestfsiGdaeyWitietit Rl* tike Seitie Steps Id' eirkiiie • its trarfcliiiflitif '" a d uit, the.questwq at isstte in is nat i ve *J. *ga r . it LI.- be,- whether-Catholic, Emancipation Allimalt - Mc: granted, or uti•at .th e - eocintries‘ilitilatdiAs*" • • Convinced'rriatjhe . Ontrtierg'ff . t:tjthp , 1111011 vent The alietoaAie.„h - e, s trittgl:. lice, C a ltri AIM ,' V!I * 1 i , . . Persevere.iu making evers:constitotional effort pos : to obtain the repeal of the ittWswliittr-'aetiiidelehte . . "KiirV . J ItNIYI,I'Tast . to 4 tillylVt rt ilfe."*;i i itir ' Ir t qUeitiOp. was, .Wk . ei ;f r a o . i . i.:, ! p s ic4to4l4 . o,iii:" 1 2r our to the Catholics.,at thetinte,os.stie•klaion-,stod s . W . ther'their totnitict had' been inflauteisalty huit •• taiiiln•? lie 'would iar ' that eaCh'fif lthit"ihia , l) 44 . l4 - the Clerg'f, the . Nlibilify', ',lnd :Ceiftri,''.'illif„, ,';,..' .'W . classes had received inducements from Mr. Pitistssu.pe. port the - Union. He. had: held. out to etu'llighkVirelfitv the prospect - of getting* into-Parliarifent;'tii;riVreAtote the idea of some effectual measure of 414474AV:0r Clergy that of a competent. provistoo,.ilrisej4eitacy would assist in carryingithe measure. . '':-. ' . z7Saiitee..•ls Sir J. BRYDGES llitoted' at , recenifittter•OtAta . O'COntiell's, that the:Roman c aflTliei'dia isot7.# Ergo* i f the measure of Union..and hei . naintainia that no epf-,, - Pa cation was,held out to them at the time-of the Unionitlaat - 4r. Catholic emancipation would be parried. ; - • ~t .pr , • Mr. 8. RICE rejoiced that his Right Hon. Friend . had brought 'Ott/aid tlie ityytion;lor heintild'not help. thinking that he had OblainicT . much frOin thejriglit Hon. Gentleman (Mr. Peel), who, though. he did' mot agree to 'die' mottOn' l a hyd 'opPbsed- -it . upon r grounds , which confirmed mkkh`of w'hai'llis d ßight Hon. Friend had stated. tia Right ItOrt. Frie;id had never:said - that a direct•pledge was given to the.ilatholics as the tarnq of tne Union; but he had said,' krni the point was con ceded to him, cligt an - expectation .was held .out fxom the highest quarter that the question would be brought nearer •tu a farcibrable'cletision if the Union was carried, iliO sho *ii Cafe - 1040.i ha';ip . p.tilted It on itift'Under y, s .. , p , 'U 7 41)44%4! .As fnA stlie4,l) own pa fle to Mi. yi i atm* A . iiiiaveitedastinaa.artur fleslcii 'hove had and. cognieeoca 1 OP•iihki Pb 141.- BfrO4tyP4f:•:Bin , ittti l the Rot/can't:A*lK 114;',X t6e : tjnii"trel'iiir di eftewci- e:n ! 'oy-:q..11*, u iii on "and the LlO . riA'riirielit; i ind thefefore could. espett -td be , trunk •altraintati -withi.any . ..of .their at i'ormemeitt .;",' HnOMPsatil's myth, :he: would. airing, h4 , ttirgliK tiflit, * ~.ii. d : rite . f - , 0, tr:e'fistit esititio it fo , asit• 4 vis!pis c a:.tkei, ' 1A4 1 .011411,4 FjilrtAT4l 4 nd.:,: i 3 '')if-i LVio.extilanstiotry said. that kereterild to diel'ifeeelatOfOlsold CasstehisgtiAss•lBl,o:/:10 .:, " ‘,* ; ; .a S imi , • *Mt:IIITNVIti CklihtiiiratvilifatlNi6 'tit iniiiltisa= ;;r e in: thteßtgisePoli battlefillhve it Ohm • 'falai' Nisi. He titereiys - inexiii-tO•ley; tta4ilsJ itithtifirassiol cleman admitted , the ,sperch . of. Lord Castlereagh to giviisilVetlt r view of the stiie orthp, •case:- -'• • • •••••; "dr '• 2 oj •h. fr., 0 14* AM -. ..,A1r: M.lltZbVtArb krieflfrZAef.irdlexPrei"sfOtt4tt satisfied with hailug • slearty esiAlasliel the att . Zif -flee wi, , ,lti l ik his favour... He....yitldid, itirtifo:re i iii*llii Hiiii: ‘GeiltielltV's ,seuestioa, and withdrew the m o tion. - ''' """' '•':• • '• ' ' '"••' ! • is . :: :- '. . r ITAUNG NAN te1L1 4 . 1.; i•sii.l • : .•: ! ...,''.4 on* The House thenwebt ititoltiCotAmitteetvi this 'Bill; and:Wend verbal itnendtdentiPsveSenleelsioii.datirlilli.:Psti.me g,totl'agrisid t 0, Mr. F. `LEWIS propol44 thatAseclaisesliould be-intro.:HMV. forthe pitrinikor Olt tik tVe: Ceitifttitsbibheri bighesseltees' araktabilica l - _, 'ettret Mk sh'erttreat Amnia) otelwed ' • ••••• • • ,-.. t.. ers,-. 1 ....r: lg.: 11 .141,.. r0 ,4 q•511 • ' ..4 4. ." . 41 • 140 .. i....4../1 .i I v:.,.!--0a484' -rude 4.tiso -mut ....941"/".•.,6:44u...••f1-il _ ~.• . . 410 1 / 4 'A 1