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I • FRANCE. PARIS, NOV. 24. Letters from Amiens, of tke 23d, contain the following particulars: The workmen employ. ed in fitting up the !mules here for the reception of the Plenipotentaries, have received direaions to finifh them before the 111 of December. Every thing announces, and more particularly the pre parations made by Lord CORNWALLTS, that the Congrefs will fit longer than was imagined ; for, exclutively of the fpacious hotel which is to be oc cupied by him, he has hired and fitted up another in the neighbourhood for his carriages and horfes. His Lordfhip's apartments are decorated with the moil elegant and valuable articles of Englifis furniture. Some of his attendants alma daily arrive here." Accounts from Conflantinople, of the rnth of Oaober Rate, that the Ella had commenced the evacuation of Egypt. The commerce of Marfeilles is reviving with great fpirit and aaivity, both in its donsease and foreign relations. Two brigs, laden with com plete cargoes for our Well India Wands, have late ly failed from that port. A cutter bad Some time before failed for Cayenne. _ _ In confequence of the rednition of our forces to the peace.cftablifhment, the gatrifon of &ralburgh is to be reinforced by fix battalions. The garrifons of Huninguen, Colmar, and other places in Alface will be augmented in proportion. Two derni-lui gades, quartered in the departments of la Meurthe and des Vorges, have received orders to march to Rochefort to be embarked on board the expedition fitting out for the Tiles of France and Reunion. Nov. 26.—Citizen JesoM! B fet out from Bourdeaux on the isth for Rochefort. It is confidently Rated that he is to embark in that part of the expedition to St. Domingo which fails from that port. Letters from Valladolid of a recent date Rate, that our troops had received orders to hold them felves in readinefs to march on the firft notice. They are to be divided into two bodies, the one to proceed to Cadiz,and the other to return to France. We learn from Stralburgh that the Count de Ws srrNALEN palled through that city on the sift on his way to Paris. He is entrußed with a mif fion of confiderable importance from the Court of . Vienna to our Government. PARLIAMENTARr PROCEEDINGS. HOUSE OF LORDS, TUESDAY, DEC.:. APPIAL OT WILIOR e. 01110. On the Motion of the Loan CHANCELLOR, the Houfe give Judgment in this mule; referring the femme ache Court of Seffson. Now's% ',molter BILL. Farther proceedings upon this Bill was deferred till after the holidays. APPEAL Or JOHNSTON AND OTR2IS W. STOTTS. Mr. Alexander was beard at the bar for the Appellants. The Attorney General then pleaded at eonbderable length in favour of the Refpondents. The further eadideration of this caufe was deferred till Therfday. SILLS 7110101 TIM COMMONS. Thee private Die ilford, and others, brought up from the Commons. There Mils were read a fire time, and ordered fora [amid reading on Tlturfday nest. Several Bilk of nanaralizmion were read a third time and paired. The Mak then adjourned till Thurfday. HOUSE OF COMMONS. Read a feassid thee the 818 for preventing the Erportationm and encouraging the Importation of Corn and Frovifions In Ire land, foes time to be limited, committed for to-morrow. Read the third time the Hamburgh Naval Stores Repeal Bill, 'miffed, and ordered to the Lords. On the motion of Mr. Bean or, the farther confideration of the Report of the Committee refpeding the interference of Peers in eletitions was put off till the fit* day of February. Mr. ALEXANDER brought up the Report of the Committee of Supply. On the motion relative to the Army Estraor dinaries for Great Britain, being read— Mr. Rossow repeated his objections to this grant, nuJefs the Account of the application of the tall Vote of Credit of two millions, thould be laid be fore the Houle. The CHANCELLOR of the Excutoyta Paid, that the Hon. Gentleman perfifled in confounding two things which were completely different. The Vote of Credit alluded to, had nothing to do with the Army Extraordinaries, and did the Hon. Gentleman mean to contend that provifion thould not be made for the Army Extraordinaries, un lefs an Account was made nut , which it would be impollible to prepare until the end of the year? Ile hoped the Hon. Gentleman would be fatis fi ed with this fiatement, affurin him that any further explanatir,a he might thin k neceffary, be fhould be ready to give him. Mr. Rosso, complimented the candour of the Right Hon. Gentleman, as perfealy continent wiih his general condna and charalter, yet main tained that this fubjed required tome more fatis faetor y explanation. The CHANCFI.I.OII of the EXCHEVER again rote to afrure the Houfe, that the Account demanded by the Hon. Gentleman fhould be laid before the Houfe immediately after the'recefs--adding, that he hoped k would not in the courfe of the *Mon again be necefEtry to apply to the Houle for any farther Vote of Credi:. lie could not help ob. ferving, that it would be fumewhat more fair and becoming in the Hon. Gentleman to withhold his remarl. until he could perceive tome wilful delay on the part of Government to produce the Ac count fo often menticmcd. The Vote of Credit of May latt, which the Hon. Gentleman winged to be accounted for, was in fail voted for the Naval Service, and was aaually applied to that Service, an.! therefore had no tonne bon whatever with the Arms- Extraordilaries. The Motion was agreed to, Rosana nbjefl•l to the Motion for a grant • • .t.!:e Ctimrniflionerc for paving. &c. the Streets r, huhlin. cnntending that it did not accord with 'Lc fair interpretation of the Articles of the Union. tn.par t . . •lat gr Int from the Confolidated Funds of ti,•• it.sl Lou ;IC. ti•rsr+a rtmrrkcd to the Hon. Gentle t ) i s ,, ..),..-rvations would he mnie IKrti r. r wh.n z!. • gsculd htii.re rise Z - AMMIRP Houfea—from what 'Fund that grant was tti charged ; for to the vote of the Committiestf Sup ply they did not properly apply. Mr. Rosso); Paid, that he was yeflerday given to underftand, that the article of the Union, re. lative to this fubjea, which he read to the Houle, would be fully explained this day, fo far as it could comprehend any fuch claim as that under confideration. Mr. CORRY agreed with the Speaker in thinking, that the prefent refolution did not in the fmalleft degree refer to the fund from which the (urn was to be provided, but folely to the propriety of the grant ear. The (uric when voted might be pro vided for either out of the Confolidated Fund in Ireland, or by the eßablithmetit of local taxes, in both of which cafes the Hon. Member's objection would be inapplicable, that objection being found ed on the idea that the expellee would fall on this country. This was the whole fubtlance of what he had offered againft the refolution, and therefore in the prefent Rage of the bufinefs it was unnecef- Cary to go into any longer argument to prove its irrelevancy. Hi thought it his duty, however, to {late to the Houfe, that the grant in queftion had been given by the Parliament of Ireland for a con fiderable number of years without a finite excep tion. The inhabitants of Dublin were fubjee to certain local taxes, to defray the expence of the particular ferrite to which the fum proptsfed to be given was to be applied; but Parliament had thought it their duty to - vote an :tdditional fum for the purpofe of accomplifhing the objea in a man ner more complete than the fum paid by the inha bitants could effect. This they were indeed bound to do, not merely by confiderations of public uti.! lity, but by a fort of tacit contract. Certain funds' formerly belonging to the corporation had been invefled in the hands of Government, and every confederation of good faith called upon the Parlia ment to grant fuch fume as would be fufficient to make good the deficiency created by this trent ference of property. On this principle the grant had never-been omitted during a tingle Segion. On the particular claufe of the feventh article, which hzd been referred to, he had only to make a very few obfervations. He would elk, what was the nature and objea of this claufe ? It was a claufe of flipulation that Ireland Mould not be deprived, for the next 20 years, of any grants which had been formerly made, and that tilde grants thould be regulated by the average of the fix preceding years. It was not, however, as the Hon. Gentleman teem ed to think, at all of a reftridive nature ; for Par. liament, though they could not grant lets than was provided, might enlarge them to a much greater amount. The fuppolitton, therefore, that this grant was not within the meaning of the claufe was wholly unfupported, either by probability or by fa& The Refolution was then put and agreed to. On the Refolution for granting a fun] to defray the expence of widening the greets of Dublin, Mr. Rosso?. again (poke, but it is unneceffary to re- Rate his objections, as they were merely a repeti tion of what he had more than once pretred on the Houfe. He was extremely urgent to have an ex planation of the 7th Article of the Union from Tome of the Members on the other fide of the Houfe.— This called up The CHANCELLOR of the Excaloyse, who pro (did that the part of the claufe which referred to the fubjee before the Houfe had be en f o we ll ex plained by his Right Hon. Friend (Mr. Cony), that it was impofftble for him to add any thing more fatisfaitory. It was, he believed, evident to every Gentleman in the Houfe but the Honoura ble Member himfelf, that the chute in queftion was entirely, as had been already explained, a claufe of flipulation. What had been raid about this refolution fixing on this country the whole ex pence of the grant was fully proved to be com pletely erroneous. No man bound himfelf by agree ing to this refolution to any thing farther than that the fpecific fum fhould be granted for a fpecific purpofe, and the mode of providing for it was a matter of fubfequent arrangement. But what, he thould be glad to know, was the effeft of the Ho. nourable Member's argument ? By thus infecting on the inexpediency of this country bearing any (hare in the local expenditure of Ireland, did he mean to affert that Ireland contributed nothing to the local expenditure of this country ? To perceive that this idea was falfe, a degree of diligence much inferior to that which the Honourable Member was poffeffed of would be neceffary. In mentioning that Ireland did contribute to local expences in this country, he did not mean to infer that, therefore, England was to contribute to this particular grant, but cutely it was a propofition altogether inadmif fible, that no contribution ought to be made be caufe the object to which the contribution was to be applied was of a local nature. Mr. ALF XANDER role merely to deprecate the mode of difcuftion adopted by the Hon. Gentle man, in (peaking of the proportion of contribution made by the two countries. What effee, but one of the worn kind, could relish from circulating an opinion among the people of this country, that by the Union they were burthened with an additional expence of a million and a half a year ? This was a loofa afertion which could promote no purpofe but jealoufy and diffention betwixt the two coun tries, when the great objea in view was to remove every ground of animority and prej udice, and to make the two united nations one in intereas, in willies, and in power. Mr. CORRY enforced theft tenements, and Pro duced a number if inliances in which Ireland con tributed to the local expenditure of this country. Lord C.:isomeric merely obi - erred, that if the explanations already given were not fatisfaaory, none that he could offer would be able to remove the Honourable Member's temples. The Refolution, together with thofe that te maitied, was then put and agreed to. WAYS AND SttASIL Mr. A i r Iriivnet brought up the Report of the Comrnittrt of Ways and Means. The firß Rvfolution being read— TheCN.Sep toaof the ESC., Fort e moved, that leave th.'nld be given to bring in a Bill founded on the r..id Sir Joni. PARNS Lt. Stilled to know whe:htr Ire land u a no be inclutkj in the proviiitin of tkis vote, Tkiltdid not appear that any arrangediteta jezade for that country. On the fubjed of s for Ireland, he tbought they ought to be oontraded for as ftr as prattacable in that country ; five was in many inflances capable of contributing, and among the moll revere grievances Ireland had at prefent to complain of, was the balance of ex change with this country, fo much againft her, which mull be confiderably increafed by the remit Lances neceffary to pay the interet of fuch Loans contrafted in England. The CHANCELLOR of the ExcarosEs raid, the obfervations of the Hon. Baronet were entitled'to &lions confideration, when a Loan for Ireland Ilsould be in contemplation. At prefent the quef tion was as to Exchequer Bilk, r,000,0001. of which were to be applied to the fervice of Ireland. After Tome remarks by Mr. Vanfittart and Mr. Corry, the motion was agreed to : as was another motion by the Chancellor of the Exchequer, that it fhould be an inffruetion to the Committee on the Exchequer Annuity Bill, to make provillons ac cording to the Refolutions of the Committee of Ways and Means. CORRESPONDENCE 'KITH FORRICI COUNTRIES. Lord G •is raid, that he had yefterday , taken the liberty of announcing his intention of this day bringing forward a motion for leave to bring in a Bill to regulate the Commercial Inter. courfe between this country and thofe nations with whom our hofiilities had lately terminated, flaring at the fame time, that he was not then aware of the extent towhich it might be necerary to carry filch a meafure, but from the confultation he had fince had with perfons intimately converfant with the fill:tied of our Commercial Relations, he un derflood that the different alts framed during the war were fufficient to anfwer the purpofe of regu lating our commercial intercourfe at prefent. But there was one oonfideration which rendered it ne cefrary for him to bring in a Bill, namely, the prohibition which there efts contained againfl tor refpondence by letter. He therefore moved for leave to bring in a Bill, to do away certain re- Rraints upon the correrpondence by letter between perfons refident in this country and perfons in cer tain foreign countries."—The motion was agreed to—and the Bill was accordingly brought up— read a fira, and on the motion of Lord Glenbervie, read a fecond time, and committed for to-morrow. His Lordfhip gave notice, that he fhould to-mor row propofe that the Bill fhould go through all its Rages and be fent to the Lords, as fer obvious reafons the utmoll difpatch was necelfary. A 33121 OW lIIMILD. Alderman oM's brought up a Bill to repeal the Afls of the 37th and 38th of his prelim Majef ty, relative to fixing the AlEre of Bread; and to render more effeaual the aft of the 31 ft En George the Second on that fubjeft. The CHANCELLOR of the Excites:lsm faid, he fhould briefly (tate to the Houfe the grounds upon which he fupported the propofitien of the worthy Alderman. It appeared that the Afts which the Bill juft introduced was defigned to repeal, had completely failed of their obje&. That which was commonly called Skinner's Aft, though . great hopes were formed from it, had proved quite an unfuccefsful experiment; inftead of operating to reduce the price of Bread, it had rather produced a different cffefl, it rendered the Baker indifferent to the price of Flour, as his profits did not at all depend upon it. He could readily conceive the principle upon which the Aet of George the Se cond was founded ;—it ordained that the price of Bread fhould be fettled by the relative prices of Corn—and thus certainly eitablifhed a more fe ; cure barrier againft combination than the laws fince enafted, though he wiffied not to be under- Rood as giving countenance to an opinion too ge nerally prevalent, that combinations to any con fiderable extent, had during the late fcarcity, ex ifted among the Mealmen and Bakers. It was imagined that the connedion between the price of Flour and Bread would be more corral, and Insight be more eafily afcertained, than between Corn and Bread ; but the latter guarded more effeetually againit fraud and collufion, becaufe it would be more difficult to produce an under ' Rending between the Bakers and the Corn.cleal ers, who were numerous, and came from different parts of the country, than between the Bakers and ; the Mealmen, who were few and re fi dent in Lon- l don.—Jt mull be obvious that there would be much greater opportunities of mutual accommodation among the latter. By the plan propofed the Ba kers would be intereited in endeavouring to reduce the price of Grain. He did not mean however to infinuate that it could ever have been their in. 'era, or that they had been at all concerned in , . railing the price of Grain. He willed not to at• tach any imputation to that defcription of men— than whom, he believed, there was not it the country a clan ofTradefmenmoreufeful or refpea able. It would be, therefore, with a confiderable feeling of repugnance that he fhould hear of any propofitions to put the Baker entirely at the difcre. tion of the Magitlrates, as it might be proriduaive of injuflice and barflinefs towards the Baker, itsaf much as an appeal to the Magittrate in times of fcdrrity, might operate on his feelings to iffue or very much abridging the profits of the Baker. To the difcretion of any Magitlrate, however ref. pediable even the Lord Mayor of L on d on , t h e profits of the Baker ought not in his opinion to be committed: nor did he approve altogether of any plan to ix the price of Bread according to the re lative price of either Corn or Flour. .The more he eonhderecithis fttbjea in all its bearings, the more he was difpofed to Rant to the jurtiee of the remark of the worthy Alderman, that it would be - - defirable to do away the pretest . fyltern refpeaing the Arne of Bread. and allow that article to be - I difpored according to the fair, acknowledged, and ordinary rules of buying and felling—convinced that it would be infinitely more for the advantage f.f the public. He was aware, that in 1772, when it was deemed advifable to abolilb a fylem of op preffive laws againli commerce, which pur ported to he merely a provition againit mono poly, the witell men of that day fupprifed it pru. dent to fttPr this law to 'rid, in under that the bAker, in t;m4% of fcarcity, if a tEflreired popu- Licc alatl him, if his enaomer &add corn. We, bight 47- 0 . Truly, the p r id e of intad We, but it is not my f au l t; it accords with th arrangement, and is fa n fli one d b y the anthorit of the Magittrates." It t h ere f ore gave proteaints to the Bakers.—Perhaps, now, af ter men ' s mind had been fo much eng age d on this fulijea, the country was better prepared for this defirahle change, than it was in 1772. By the adoptio n o f that change only, he w a s perftiaded, could th e price of bread find its p ro p er level, ;aid jullice be done to the tradefmau and d ie pu bli c. Thrall was read a firthand se con d t i me , and on the motion of Alderman C UR T', tha t i t Ih ould be committed for 'l'o morrow, The CHANCELLOR o f the Excarqyza yequefint to know, whether it was not the intention of the worthy Alderman, to move that it fhould be la infiration to the Committee to receive certaia claufes to fecure to the Bakers the remuneration for the advanced duty on Salt ; and alfo to have the Bill printed and circulated, with the propofed Amendments, for the information of all parties concerned ? Alderman Coal- is anfwered in the affirmative. The Motion for the Committee was agreed to, and Alderman Cutris moved inftrudions to the Paid Committee to receive certain Claufes, the one of the nature defcribed by the Chancellor of the Exchequer, and the other to prevent the adultery don of Bread.—Agreed to. POOR 'AMR BILL. The Order of the Day for the farther confide. ration of the Report of the Committee on this Bill being read, Mr. Snaw LITIVRI rote, and exprefred a with that the Bill fhould be recommitted, in order to introduce an amendment, that the amount of the penalty levied on Overfeers in certain cafes, fhould be entirely paid to the Poor of the Parifh, which he conceived would preferve Overfeers from thofe vexatious profecutions, of which fo much cons. plaint had been made, by taking away all encou ragement to informers. The SPEAKER obferved, that it was unneceffary to recommit the Bill for the purpofe Rated by the Hon. Gentlem.m. Mr. NEWIOLT Paid, the objed of the Bill was not to protect Overfeers of the Poor from gmi tam ac- tions, but to enable them to relieve the Poor in cer tain cafes. Lord GLEN slam objected altogether to the fyftem of bodging the Poor. Mr. &taw Ler Ives explained. Mr. ELLI s roes laid hi could not, confidering the Bill upon the fair and original principles of the Poor Laws, give his afent to the meafure, and he thought that Gentlemen fhould not argue in its fa vour fo much from the experience of a few years pall, as from the old fyftem of benevolence and jullice, eftablifhed by the 43d of Elizabeth. Pre. cedents had been drawn for it from what had palled in Somerfetlhire ; but it did not follow that a liana° was to be enacted becaufe there did exilt temporary and local fubjeas of complaint. The Laws as they then were with refped to the Poor, conflituted a pure and operative fyftem, if properly confidered, and he would undertake to contra the new-falbioned (latrine of humanity with the grand principle, that every Member of fooiety llsould be made as ufeful to it as poffible, Upon that principle was the Statute of Vlzabeth enacted, that all perfons fhould work as ranch as poffible, for the benefit of the community, and that indolence fhould be punifhed. while tares of calamity were at the fame tittle entitled to due confideration and adequate relief, He had, and he could mien it from his own experience, feen the poor receive relief, which, put in comparifon with the hard earnings of the induftrious claffes, vu luxury. For the latter clefs of the people, he felt the finccreft commiferation, for in his mind every (billing taken from them, to be bellowed on the idle, was a drop of blood wrung from their indullry. He detested badges as much as the Noble Lord oppofite to him, but they fhould not be laid aide, fine they were neceffary to diftinguilh between the idle and the indutlrious. The children of the clergy were diftinguithed at their annual meetings by badges, and no man could undertake to agent that they were objedls at which the finger of fcorn Ihould be pointed. He ivas at the fame time very far from being del Potts that badges fhould be se* neral, but he thought they ought to be retained at checks upon idlenefs. The CHANCELLOI, of the Exclave!' admitted to the mama extent the purity of the motives by which the I-ton. Gentleman whotpoke lea was aau.itcd in hi; oppofition to the Bill. He Alfa agreed with him, that the 43d of Elizabeth was the foundation of the fyllem of our Poor Laws; but he begged leave to fay, that the Ad which the prefent went to repeal did not emanate from that fource. He could not trace in the Ali of IKing:William any of there benevolent features which dillinguithed that of Elizabeth. That part , of the Aft which required that the Poor &mild I not he relieved unlefs they wore badges ought certainly to be got rid of : it would no longer be competent, if the prefect Bill palled, for any per fon to bring an aiftion againft the Overfeer for gr ing relief to perfons not wearing badges. The Ho nourable Gentleman feemed to think that the pre cedents in the tingle cafe of Sornerfetilire were not fufficient to induce the Honk to adopt the rnea fore ; but it did net occur to him that funilar cafes might hams in other counties. For his part. he felt an abahate conviaion that the Bill was necef fary, and it would be a AiNea of lOW so him if it did not pafs—and pafs without delay, The we& Cure appeared in every refpea of the two* eligible nature, according to the principles of contpd6ol% and jultiee. Sir THOMAS FRAIIIMAND fuppot He was followed on the fame fide Mr. ALE xxxxx a (poke in favr The rrpmt was then ordered further ennfideratinn I the amens and agreed to, and the Bill was 4 third time to-morrosi. The remaining orderi of the ed of, the Hoge adjottmed at ei) rnerro w. 4F- 1 514 froi or. inn tfr an( rec Pl fr( iples of compalboli ported the BBL ride by kfr.Fum.aa. 'our of the Bill. d to be taken into ndmcnts were read ordered to be read day being difpor- ight deka