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PEMBROXESHIRL TO BE SOLD BY AUCTION. On Wednefday the agth Day of July, am, at the Mariners' Haverfordweft, fubjett to fuch Conditions as flail be then produced, or in the mean time by private Coutrad, Lot tri'HE rtpital Mefruage, Tenement, and Lands, called RIPPERSTON, fituate in the Parini of Saint Bride's, in the County of Pembroke, now let for a Term, which will expire at Michaelmas next, to fundry Tenants, at Rents amounting to 3171. per Annum. The Premifes arc &nate on the Sea Coaft called Brides-Bay which abounds with Fifh, with an Harbour contiguous, where Lime and Coal are procured; are diftant from Milford-Haven 5 Miles, and from Haverfordwelt to; and confift of a good' Manfion-Houle and Outhoufes, &tate in the Centre of 334 Acres of prime Arable, Meadow, and Palture Land, well watered and fenced, and arc worth the Attention of any Gen skman inclined to Agricultural Purloin. Lot 2. Three Mefluages, Tenements, and Lands, called MONK'S-HILL, fituate in the Pariah of Saint Minuet's, in the laid County, in the Tenure of John Prickett, and Rees Thomas, at Will, and of John Morgans, under I.eafe for one Life. at Rents amounting to 571. per Annum. The Premifcs confift o 66 Acres of good Land upon and adjacent to Milford- Koren. The Land-Tax of both Lots has been Redeemed: and for the accommodation of a Purchafcr, a Portion of the Purchafe Monies may be continued on the Prenifes at a rate of lutereft to be agreed upon. For further Particulars enquire, by Letters poit-paid, to Mr. Stokes, Attorney, Haverfordveett—sath June iBoa. PARLIAMENTARY PROCEEDINGS. HOUSE OF LORDS, FRIDAY, JUNE ss. The LORD CIIANCRLLOR being detained by important bit final, did not come down to the Houle fo early as was raped ed ; and loon after, the Ordrrs for giving judgmLnt on the Caufcs which Stood for this day, were poftpooed till to- MOITOW. The various Bins before the Houle were forwarded in their relpedive Rages. Thefe were moldy third readings. The ATTORNEY GRNERAL, attended by feveral Mqnbers, returned the Alien's Regulation Bill from the Commons, who bad agreed to the Amendments made by their Lordihips. The Glenkenns Canal Bill was returned by Mr. Ate ZANDt a. Some routine and private bonnet's was difpofed of, and one or two of the Orders poftponed, after which their Lordfhips adjourned till to-morrow, when the Royal Agent will be given to a number of Bills, by what is called a Sweeping Commif. Lon. and which generally takes place on the eve of a Proro gation. HOUSE OF COMMONS. An Account of the net produce of the Eadfe Duties for three years ending the sth of January, 18G2, was prefented, and or dered to lie on the Table. The bode Amendments on the Alien Bill were taken into esmbderation, read, and agreed to. Mr. N. VANSITTAIT prtfented an Account of Arrears and Balances, In the hands of Officers of the Revenue—which was ordered to be on the Table. A Mcffage from the Lords informed the Houfe that their Lordlips had agreed to the 5,c00,0001. Exchequer Bills Bill, tM Cuftoms Duty Bill, the Poit Houfe Duty Bill, the lrifh Mi litia !Maim Bill, the Excite Bill, and the Paper Duty Bill, without any Amendment FINANCE. Mr. Tllllllll7 moved the order of the day for the Houfe to refume the debate upon the Finan cial Refolutions prefented by himfelf and the Cha ncellor of the Exchequer. He de fi red Tome expla nations relative to the Chancellor of the Exche quer's flatement of the firms to be applied accor ding to the new fyftem for liquidating the National Debt, and with very little further olofervation he concluded, by moving his firft refolution. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCH ta, in reply, went through the whole (cries of the Hon. Mem ber's refolutions, and pointed out a variety of in accuracies in them. Adverting to the fira of the refolutions, he obferved that the Long Annuities were not to be confidered as conflituting any part of the mats of the public debt. With refped to the firth refolution, he conceived the Hon. Gen tleman erroneous, in having added to the account the accruing dividends of the flock. Having gone through the whole of his refolutions, and (hewn how the calculations and flatements contained in his own were more correEt and more confonant to the financial Hate of the country, he faid he was defirous the Houfe fhould adopt his in preference to thofe of the Hon. Gentleman's. He did not feel the neceility of minutely inveftigating any one of them, becaufe the difference in them and thofe he propofed was very inconfiderable, and the re fult was nearly the fame. He fhould therefore move the previous queflion upon the refolutions of the Hon. Gentleman, and follow it up by ano ther motion for the adoption of his own. Mr. VANSITTART laid it was s matter of alto nifhment, that after a long and expenfive war, the difference between the financial Itatements of the Hon. Gentleman (Mr. Tierney) and his Right Hon. Friend, fhould turn upon only a few points of very (mall importance. The firft and principal point on which there was any difference, related to the value of the Long Annuities. He proceeded to explain this difference upon the fame principle as the Chancellor of the Exchequer had done.— He then referred to the other refolutions, and con tended, that where they differed from thofc of his Right Hon. Friend, they were founded upon error and milcalculation. Mr. MI Ml', in reply, juflified his refolutions, and infifted they were corral, even with regard to thole ftatements pointed oat by the Chancellor of the Etchequer as Jefeili•e. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHECVER raid, the Hon. Gentleman's refolutions were calculated to exhibit the country in a &nation, which the actual (late of the finances by no means warranted. He wailed the ftatements to be conformable to the real facts—the figures to be fairly difclofed, and the public left to draw their own inferences and ionclurions. He was perfuaded that the financial Rata of the country would be contemplated with she higheft degice of fatisfaaion, for he would maintain the pi ogrefs made within the latt nine years of war, towards the am-lioration of our finances, was infinitely more con fiderable than had ever been made during a timilar period of peace. Never had there been a period when the revenue of this country had been fo produaive as in the quarter coding the gth of January 18os. To prove the comparative advantages the country sow enjoyed with reference to former periods, he would (late to the Houle the amount of thofe great and abundant refources which bad enabled the country to carry on fuch a conteß as the one from which it had juft been relieved, and would again enable it to maintain contefts equally ar duous, fhould the neceffity for them ever unhap pily exia. He here timed, from his ,3th, 14th, and isth refolutions, the comparative official va lue in January 1784, January 1793, and January 18os, of all imports, Britith manufaftures ex. ported, and foreign merchandize exported. He alfo read the 16th refolutinn, to fhew that there had been an increafe of regi tiered veffels fince t 792, to the number of 5462 !hips. He trotted, after fuch a flatement of increafed profperity and wealth, he might be allowed to ail-, whether it avras poffible for the Houfe to look with apprehen fion as to the means the country poffeffed of pro viding adequately and fufficiently for its fecurity, and for even fuflaining the prelfure of new bur thens, fhould it be neccffary to impofe them? He was Allred the country was well able to bear any new hurthens, if necetlity required them, but he defired to be undelatood as not anticipating them. He knew of nothing which could create fuch ne ceffity. Seeing what were the refources and wealth of the counts y, and the progrefs it had made in difcharging its debt, it was impoffible, he thought, for any one not to contemplate fo flattering a proipett with hope and fatisfattion. Mr. TIERNEY fetid, the difference between him and the Right Hon. Gentleman, on many points, was none at all ; and on other points extremely little ; and, indeed, there could not be any mate rial difference, fince thcy both went upon the fame lath. The only thing which conflituted the dif ference was, that he proceeded on matter of fact only, without preffing any thing that appeared like argument ; whereas, Tome of the Refolutions of the Right Hon. Gentleman took in a fpecula tion of what was to be expeCted hereafter, and it was upon that expettation that the difference arofe between him and the Right Hon. Gentleman.— That the Revenue of this Country was flourifbing, was beyond difpute, but the Right Hon. Gentle man went back to the years 1783 and 1784, to take a view of the then Peace Eftabliffiment ; this appeared to him to be an unfatisfaeory manner of computing it, inafmuch as then, we had been at peace for a confiderable time, and the calculation was brought forward to the year 1787, which was a period further advanced in peace than we were at prefent. The chief difference between him and the Right Hon. Gentleman was upon what was to be the Peace Eftablifhment, and he could not af fent to the expeCtations expreffed by the Right Hon. Gentleman upon that fubjett. After expl• dating upon this and other topics for Tome time, he oblerved that his objett inbringing forward this difeuffion was not to create any defpondency in the public mind—he felt none himfelf—but he thought it very interefling to the public, that the fubjett fhould be fully dilcuffed, he had therefore made his flatement with that view; he left his Refolu tions on the Table that they may be judged of and compared with thole brought forward by the Right Hon. Gentleman. The CHANCELLOR of the Excamoxit Paid, he was perfealy fatisfied it was not from any inten tion to create defpondency in the Public Mind the Hon. Gentleman had brought forward his Refolu dons ; he gave him full credit for the purity of his motives :--the great fubjesl of difference between kim and the Hon. Gentleman was not from any material inaccuracy in the flatement of the Hon. Gentleman, but that his refolutions did not contain all that was material, and fuch as they fhould contain, to give the public fuch a view of the Fi nancial State of this country as the fubjeit required before a correct opinion could be formed upon it. Many of the points on which there was a differ ence,he fhould pats over, becaufe they were really fo trifling as to be unworthy of notice. The item which he frequently repeated, of 700,0001. as re ferrable to the Peace Ellablithment, the Houle would be aware, that on this he muft fpeak a good deal upon conjeCture. With reference to the com parifon he had made of nine years of Peace, and nine years of War, and the application he made of it to the probable amount of our Revenue, he could only repeat, that, on this fubjea, he had formed a very fanguine expeCtation, in which he had now great confidence ; and he adverted to the Provifions which had been made for meeting our increafed expences. He alluded alth to certain topics which bad been paired over by the Hon. Gentleman, fuch for inftance, as the difcharge of the claims on the Emperor of Germany, a filbjelt which was by no means to be abandoned or given up. He alluded to the probable increafe of our territorial revenue in India, likewife to the large laving which might limn be made to the public in the 5 per cents. topics on which he had formerly dwelt, and which he now only touched upon ; from all which, he Paid it appeared to him, this Country might look forward with juft hopes of t ausimenting confiderably its revenue, even upon principles which bad been maintained by the Hon. Gentleman himfelf. He took notice alfo of our probable Naval Eftablifbment, the number of which he had hated formerly at 30,000 men—He did not fay that filch a number would be necelfary, but his object was in this, and every other view he took of this &Ned, not to under-rate our probable expenditure. From all there topics, taken collec tively, he was fanguine enough to hope that our Revenue would be greatly augmented, even be yond any flatement he had made, and that our Expenditure would be lets. It would not, how ever, be matter of reproach to him if, in the event, tome points might appear different from the view he had of them. He then took a view of the ge neral obfervations which had been frequently made, that as much of our profperity was owing to the war, we might expett it to be diminifhed when peace arrived ; that was not the view which he entertained of that fubjeCt. It was true that during the war, our means of profperity had been increafed, but it did not thence follow that in time of peace we fhould lofe the life of theft means. He was of opinion moft decidedly, that our trade and commerce would not diminifb, but on the con trary, would increafe from the peace. He then took notice of the calculations he had made with reference to the year 1787, and obferved they were taken from that period, rather tbaa former periods, becaufe greater care had been taken in arranging thefe fubjeas then, and a few years pre vioufly, than had formerly been taken of the Fi nancial Arrangements of this Country; and in deed greater and more effeetual "provitions were made for all the expences of this Country with a view of War and Peace by his Right Hon. Prede cetfor, than had diftinguifhed the affairs of this Country on any former occafion. Mr. TIERNEY laid a few words in explanation. Mr. VANSITTART took up that part of the fub jet which related to the probable progrefs of our revenue and the increafe of our trade. It had been laid, that the operation of the War had been to exclude rival Nations, by our having the com- Inland of the Sea, from meeting us upon an equal 'footing: that this gave us great advantages, and that Peace would deprive us of theft advantages. Thefe were two points which he denied. He de nied that we had greater trade by the War, ex ' cept in one view, that of our conga& in the Well Indies; that in other refpeas we had loft much valuable trade by the War, and which trade we should now regain. Now it might be laid that our manufatures flourilhed and our trade increaf ed during the War, which was true ; but they did not fo increafe and flourilli in confequence of the War, or by the War, but they did fo notwith (landing, and in oppofition to the War. The War, as far as it operated on theft points, in- Read of increafing our trade and commerce in it fell, and independent of our conquefts in the Weft Indies, had an oppofite tendency, and indeed mull have it, by diverting a multiplicity of hands, from prodative labour ; this mull neceffarily di mini th, and that more than could direaly be calcu lated, the real refources of a country : and Peace had an oppofite tendency, by increafing the pro dative powers of a country, alai bringing with it advantages on the other hand vilhich could not at once be calculated, and that more efpecially in fuch a Commercial Country as this. This con. fideration led him to confider, that with the ge neral profperity Gf the Country which Peace would bring about, the revenue mull neceffarily flourifh. flourifh if e articles For the revenue mull rticles of con fumption which bore a high dul were difpofed of at home and abroad in larger quantities than formerly. This would be the cafe in moll of the leading articles of taxation, a few of which he would enumerate, for inftance, wine, tea, and fugar. The confumption of all theft articles had greatly increafed already fince the peace. Here he entered upon an accurate flatement of the con fumption of thefe articles, comparing the late with ' former periods, and both with the prefent, by which his propofition was abundantly fupported. He then proceeded to expatiate molt ably on ano ther important branch of this queftion, namely, the operation which peace mull necelrarily make on the immenfe capital which would be now employed more advantageoufly, and indeed more of it than could be employed in time of war. In the firft place, upwards of so millions annually would be employed now in trade, which, during war, was neceffarily employed in loans. The advantages of which alone to trade would be prodigious, when it came to be all waive in its operations on the produaive powers of the country. This began to be already felt even in the public proceedings of that Houle, in the vaR enlargement which had already taken place in every branch of bufinefs, as Mr. Speaker could pretty well teftify from the la borious attention it exaaed from him. To illuf trate this propofition, Mr. Vanfittart entered into a' comparative enumeration of the number of Road, Canal, Inclofure, and other Bills, beginning in the year t 782, and taking Rated intervals down to the prefent period ; upon which it again appeared that our trade and all fpecies of refources were very rapidly increafing. He then proceeded to give fome account of all the veal: that paffed the Sound in the courfe of the war, to (hew alfo how much tonnage of Britith (tipping and how much foreign bad been employed in our trade, &c. from which he again deduced that our trade did not increafe by the war, but that, on a comparative eftimate with that of the increafe of the trade of America and the Northern Powers of Europe, which had not been engaged in the war, compar ing what they were at the beginning of the war, what they are now, and what we were then, and what we were at the end of the war; and then he Paid that the war did not appear to have been the caufe of our increafe of trade in the tonnage of (hipping—But that fince the peace our (hipping had already greatly increafed. From all there ftatements he concluded, that our increafe of trade during the war was not created by the war, but in defpite of the war. That fince the peace, all the points on which the profperity of a nation de pended, had already increafed, and were now in. creafing; that, therefore, the conclufion was fal. lacious, by which it was laid, peace would con. trait our commerce. Sir F. BARING adverted to the prefent Rate of the commerce of this country, and obferved, it Iwas very great at prefent, but exprefred a con viaion, that it could not continue. He looked to a confiderable change in this refpet, in the Rate of thi•country ; it was not indeed a change from which he had any alarming apprehenlions as to the general welfare of this country, but it was fit for the public to be prepared to receive it. There were millions to be (truck out of the calculations, which fome Gentlemen had Rated ; there were fome articles charged with a duty in time of war, which in time of peace they would not bear; and all the diminution thus created, mull be confidered as a defalcation in the revenue. There were many regulations wanting upon various heads of trade, and great encouragement fhould be given to trade by various 'regulations, otherwife we could not expea that any of it would continue with us. He took the article of tea by way of illuftration, upon which he expatiated at fome length, to (hew what attention was due to the fuhjea, and alfo to fup port the propofition with which he commenced his speech, namely, that the trade of this country cannot continue what it is at prefent. The CHANCELLOt of the Exert rival, after an apology for (peaking fo often as he had occafion to do this evening, exprefred his difappointn ---- at the opinion he had heard from the Hon. rout; and notwithftanding his authority, which was confeffedly and defervedly very high, he mail be pardoned for not affenting to it. He had raid, that a part of our trade mutt neceffarily decline in time of peace: he knew of no part of the trade and commerce of this country that muff do fo, except thole parts of the Weft Indies, which we had gained by conqueft during the war, and whi c h we had reftored by the treaty of peace. He doubted whether the fagacity of the Hon. Member himfelf could difcover any other part of our trade that was likely to diminith. That was a part which was certainly material to the revenue of this coun try, but he apprehended that this would be greatly overbalanced by the advantages alluded to by his Hon. Friend (Mr. Vanfittart) of the produilive powers of the country being fo much increafed as they muff by peace, and by which he apprehended that our commerce would be fpread Rill wider over the world than it ever bad yet been. With regard to the particular branch of trade to which the Hon. Baronet bad alluded, he could not help recollefting the provifions which were made in the year i 784, and any intentions to turn any part of our trade to our difadvantage by illicit traffic, or the like, might be counteracted in ten days pe r . haps, by a Legiflative provifion. Sir F. Balm° laid a few words in explanation. He Paid, he did not look fo much to the defalca. tion of the Revenue from the diminution of trade, as the Right Hon. Gentleman feemed to imagine. A great part of the trade to which he alluded as likely to be greatly diminifhed, was one which un. til lately did not produce any thing to the Re. venue at all ; he meant the Ttanfit Trade. There were fome millions in value now in this trade, which we could not maintain in the year 1803.—. We should not be able to keep it up. Foreign countries would not be able to keep it up with us as they did during the war—they could not afford it. Our (hips were not now worth half the money they were twelve months ago. The different Powers of Europe were too much exhaufted by the exertions they were obliged to make in the war, to be able to trade with us, as they had formerly done. He did not mention this as an inftance of adverfity to this country at large, but merely as to the probable future quantum of trade. The firft queftion was then read, on the Refold. tion of Mr. Ti ERN F. v, and the previous queffion put upon it and carried. All the reit of Mr. Tier. ney's Refolutions were then difpofed of by the pre. vious queftion—and then each of the Refolutions of the Chancellor of the Exchequer were put and carried. The CHANCELLOR of the Excßagyaa moved an Addrefs to his fvfajefty, praying that he would be gracioutly pleafed to confer tome dignity in the Church upon the Rev. John Barton, for his fer vices as Chaplain of the Houfe—Ordered ger& co& The CHANCELLOR of the Emtanyta then moved Addreffes to the King, praying him to pay the following furs : To Henry Alexander, Efq. Chairman of the Committee of Ways and Means, 1200 i. To Jeremiah Dyfoo, Efq. as Clerk Marione, as much as relit make up his falary to :soot To J. H. Lee, Efq. Second Clark /Meant, as much as his' Majesty mall think proper. To Clementfon, Efq. Deputy Sedeant at Arms, as much as still make his emoluments up to soot. To Mr. Samuel Dunn, towards the menet of preparing • General Index to the Journals from the year Imyo to die piP nod of the Union, 3001. I To Mr. BA for preparing the index of bit Selßon,UL For preparing and printing the Index of the pretest Ma i 3201. To the Clerks for attending at the Public Committees. as muck as his Majesty Ihsll think pr per. ANTIENT LITERATURE. . The GammasLoit of the EXCH tun 'hid, that Wm. Drummond, Efq. the Minifier Plenipoten• tiary to his Sicilian Majeffy, had had the good for tune to difcover, among the ruins of Herculaneum, fome ancient manufcripts, forming a valuable re• pofitory of the learning of former times ; but for his exertions, affißed by a noble perfonage, who had ever (hewn himfelf a zealous promoter of fcience, thole manufcripts would have been de. Droyed. Great progrefs had been made in getting them copied—the particulars would be laid before Parliament early in the next Seffion. In the mean time as a confiderable fum of money had been ex pended, and would ftill be required to complete the copies, he tru fled the Houle would have no obje6ion to a motion for an Addrefs to his Majef• ty, praying that he would be pleafed to grant the furn of 17cool. for William Drummond, Efq. his Majelly's Miniller Plenipotentiary to his Sicilian Majefly, towards paying the expences incurred in copying Antient Manufcripts difcovered at Her. culaneum and Pompseia.—Agreed to. CIVIL LIST. The CHANCILLOR of the EXCHEVER reminded the Houfe that when the bufinefs of his Majefly's Civil Lift was before Parliament, he had pledged himfelf to bring forward a meafure to prevent its future accumulation. He was concerned that the multiplied bufinefs of the Seflion had prevented his turning his thoughts to the fobjeet. He willed now to give notice that early in the next Seffion of Parliament he certainly should fubmit a propoft' Lion to the Houfe. , , I IL SURGEONS. • The CHANCELLOR of the Exclave' raid, plan had been laid before him, which he re gretted it was too late to bring forward this SefGon. It was a lamentable fad, that great calamities hap pened on board of merchant (hips for want of ne ceffary chirurgical Alliance. Many accidents which admitted or inunediate relief were fatal for want of proper perfons to adminifler it. It hA been foggefted to him that as the termination of the war would leave a great number cf Surgeons unemployed, that they might be employed on board merchant flaps, particularly thofe hound on diftant voyages, in a manner highly advantageou s to the country and to themfeves. He was aware nothing could be done at prefent, but he withed to throw out thefe obfervations, in order that fo ufeful a clafs of men as regularly bred Surgeons might know that the plan he had hinted at would . . _ . lel) , after the Meet' T lent be Carried into died 'immediately after the raw Ba- km of Parliament.—adjoitmcd.