Star. — London, England, 1802-05-18 00:00:00

PiIRLIZMENTARr PkOCEEDINGS. iicusr OF :.OR DS, MONDAY, MAY 17. The kith`zefore the Hcuk were I‘,rwarded In their refpedive ~ .:ne. pi :viitc hidincf, nns dirpoted of. The Ap for t!ii, v-as "n fr,,• cf tord ttiath Sterdi , T, Order •':•• Honf , , Hates to the ex-it.i:on of .‘..'traii,eri, with •*“. empti , n, ordered t it, into colicnkr.ition \rei!iirftlay L:nd their Lordfhips to be futuriiontd on f.., t Ping wen brought up from the Commons by • iph., 1:•••• p.. Glynn, Mr. rant, and either Gentlemen lw In read a raft time, their Lecdibips adjourned till • .1,11101 HOLTAF O CO?.:MONS. - Tt^.tFlc 1i..1 H.:i teat. re •:1 a !Lt.' time and parr d. m.ak• t Lill v 1S road a fecond time, and a 1 , 11 ...Ice: CO:11111Ht that the Ac.-ounts preferted for the ,o I, h:• the C:iamberlain of the City of Lomion rib ,ice to t.litt 0r:41.: , 5' Fund, fhould Ix refenr•l to the Commit t• : en 1.'031 \l:•fcct RAI ; which, aftir a few words fr..,.n Ludington, wa. nidend LIIA:t 1.1. • pt . r 5 mov:! Par a Committee of the wloale :1:.•:r•` : l -mot :• • rnndrr the std Geo. M. t.1 2 {,(1,:n PAM incur:l.d , n the ruilding of Poor Houies,and ;.:,cnicm of :he Poor as:Jiving to one Parini in another. —C)rd• ts.i. Mr At EK AV,' 1-row•St th. Report of thc Ntiviny Bill. hich and 2::.retd to, at,, the Bill ordered to he read t'•i7.! !,,...iorrnw. Mr. .4. , Tx a:. I: broll,tht IT the Report of thelitia Su read and ::grecd to. _ . 'rise Snit T.T.lly WAsi propored a Claufe relative to the alosyst-zs to Staircons, which, :fro . a form con-,:rfation he at •cn :he Secretary at War, Lore, Btlgr - r.re, Sir Wm. lilford, and Sir Wni. Lemsin, was 37reed to, And the Bill ordered to be mad a th:rd time to-morrow. _ _ _ Mr. ALTLAND brottelt up the Rrport of the Marine Mtviny His!. :rli t h wag read and agreed to,and the Bill order td tl he r•-ncl .i third t . m. •,,nic”-Trse. The Volunteer Corps Bill waa read a fecund time, and com mitted 1 ,, r Wedn.oftlay. •Flie Ede:lion o.lth Bill pairsisl through a Committce.—Re rxtto-mirrour. • The Ihe •• , ..c r.;•.% •• it WA a :nosed the Order of the Day for the f , ber conlit!..rx ion of the Iteport of the Englifh Militia Jul: as b: La.!, he ftveral Am; Irnents to propofe, be .! the ISill to b.• then r• committed, in order that tht .1 0 mink et% might be receir,d. and that it might be taken ,nrthts c.,101..fet. , :i0n to-morrow. 1',." il•ad havin7 rrfolvcd i•itn a Committee, Tier i•CR L I Aft Y W r,•vtril Anirnam-nt., nne of l , t•tre th.r to V.-Timmt 0r1. 4 .: than tilt . ..! rompa•iies finned .• .n .od an... Orr to trurn...tr Matelly tn es t .be in crfr of er;-•r;rrrv,tlic renrilrin. , 2n,trrt tc th.• whole run•her .-.! 6,r.`•, , ,,cf whic h it ' , as i.• ne t .; th e Nter,ti, ih nee io t..,nritts—Some ronvt.rfition enford It. !we: \ War. Sir W. W. Wynn •, Sir W. w•re a;tr..:•d t • nn.l t!'t• E I•aving Reptirt was ordered to L. r,-:civt,ltti-ennrron.. *r.e Bill pand thrru;;h a Committee.—Rtport to- LI7 AV. CJR Rr notice of hi% intention to move the bur nrfs of Ireland in the Committee of Way. and NI eam on Friday neat. The Committee on tiie Cotton Apprentice Bill was deferral til! o-morrow. Mr. ELIOT .13Yr rotiee of lii• . .etertion to move the Navy Fttimate, M the Commitrx of SmTly eriday next. Th.: H. uf. i.t a C. mmittee o [AMC to a Refolution to make :rov.lion fur a. tain allrwaticen to the Sub.:kern Of fie-r+ of the hie tia in Ir; land— Report wag ordered to Ac reeeiecd to-morrow, and th.. Committee to fit again on NV ..tit:efday. he Hoef, in a Comm:tree to er.nfiller of certain An. relative v.) Frimrttd, came I.• a V...tohatioa to : . ..f, .end the Du:kg cr nr, Sugar i.xport..il, for a tintc to be limited.—Keport to me .w. C..nnr-:ttee or. the Fr;okirz, Bill xaa patlponed till to- lie Part Office Bill, the Port Frorfc Dury Farming Bill.2nd the ir,.lt I.Actimity Bill, were rc.id a third time and patted. 0);111:1{LIVO 011 the kith I.inen Manufaaure Bill was till ti,-rrcrrc.m. The fecnnil readiag of the lrifh EL.:lion Bin Fas deferred till to .nr,rrow, T. Committer of Ways and Man; was poltponcd till Wed a• .fd.t y. SINKINC FUND. The Cuascretost of the EXCIiFI Z FIR moved the order of the day or. the fubjeta oldie Sinking Fund. The order heit.g lead, and the Houle hiving ref:rived it frit' into a Committee of the whole Houle acc.adin it ly, The of the Excir rzr lit laid, that as is cede; Hood Gentlemen who were delimits of olif:rvatior. en the Reiolutions which he I had to fuLtnit to the Committee, meant to poll pone them until a Bill Iloa,' be brought in, if it Mould he the pleafitre of the Houle that the Bill Ihouhl be brcught in ; he Ihould now, therefore, not enter into the particulars on this fubjetft.—He had already hated to the Houle, that he believed the tendency of their Refoltitions was to give effect t', the me:ff:ire which had received the general ap- 1 probation of the Houle, and of the country; and,, if it iliould ire the pleafore of the Houle to give lea...e to b:ilig in the Bill, lie fhould thew the opi-. ri;on he had of the efficacy of the Aft tnr the re t! wile ci hr National Debt, by endeavouring to r.rnen I that Ac":, and to render it more etfeataal 11- !la: purpol: of extinguifhing the National Debt. —4. - .,der dick cireumffances, he Ihould content hirnfe'f with 'boy Retblutions, the general heads he Oad hated on a former day. The Itefo:iiticins being about to be read Mr. BtIYD elin.red into feveral calculations upon the fubjea, and obferved, that by the mode now pi irini-Jd an advantage would be gained over the ol Sinking Fund of'i I 5,cpc,0001. Mr. Y. ry laid, that the Hotile world always be 13.1npy to hear tl.e obiervations of a Gentleman in s ill qualified to farm an opini , -‘n upon fubjefts of tti;% ac the Gentleman was who (poke It appeared, however, to him, that the Hon. Gt.:nit:roan had in f.- , rae degree undervalued the ~,ivant.ige:. that would Oe derived from the plan now propoied. and' pcillaps judgment might be r-rr:d upon the quellior by a lefi difficult procefs of cal-ulation than that which the Hon. Gentle- rltn had adopted. 'Cie Honourable Gentleman had ;Lard, that the advantage that would be gained by adoping the pracilt plan, would be hit upon the bell confideration he could give the fubjeft, he was inclined to think it would be much nearer to 150,000,0001. Mr. Bova e,:plained. Mr. Tiiarti (aid, he could have wilhed the fiiiijezt had been referred to a Committee above hairs, in order that the calculations might have be...n made in dittercnt points of view. What lie frl , was the diffmnce which the plan now pro pp J make fur the prefent ; it appeared to that if the ec.;:ntry was loon placed in a hate of watt' thficulties • nld arifc ; but that if we continued in a (late of peace for forty-fire pears, then the plan propofed would be produdive of much greater advantages than the former plan. He wished calculation might be made with diffe rent views of the fuLjed,"in order that they might be fine they were accurate. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHkQ.E'ER laid, he was fully aware the calculations nun' upon the Ta ble of the Houle could not be adopted in all the views which teemed to be entertained upon them. What the Hon. Gentleman who had kill fat down, had aid, was of great importance, which, was, the nccellity of confidering the operation of this fyftem at eifferent intervals and Rages of it. It was true the operation would be apparently to the difadvant:'ge of the Public at firft, that was to . fay, fo much could not he received for the extinc tion of the Debt, and the advantage could not be obtained up to a given time ; and on which, he apprehended, difference of opinion might be en tertained in the Committee on the Bill : but he thought, that the objetftions would be of fuch fort, as to be confiderahly outweighed by the utility of the Meafure. The Honourable Gentleman who began the difaillien of the fubjeet to-day, (laced with great cleatnefs, the grounds on which he was' di:poled to approve of the meafure. He laid, the amount of the immediate Paving, that which mug I otherwife be levied by Taxes, was 970,0001. in.' eluding the Sinking Fund of one per cent. by funding Exchaqaer Bills. It was very much to be wished that the benefit of that fyftem could be taken, fo as to apply it to the whole of the finan cial operations of this Seafon ; but the Aft of 1792, required that the proceeding Should take' place at an early period, in confequence of which that advantage was bat red.—He meant the rule of the One per Cent Fund—This would appear on reference to the Aft of Parliament he alluded to. The Hon. Gentleman laid, that this meafure %you'd have the efFed of withholding from the Sinking Fund the fhort Annuities at fomething more than 200,0001. He could not think he un derftood the Honourable Gentleman accurately on this point. He mull be aware chat the fhort Annuities in 1808 would be 512,0001. which form ed a part of that which would be withheld from the old Sinking Fund, and therefore the advantage in the firft iiillance, of 870,0001. was withheld from the Fund created in the prefent year, and which malt have been railed under the provifion in 1792. Then, at the prefent moment, to the amount of 870 0001. the Public was relieved of the ricce flit y of railing Taxes, and that was an imme diate advantage, and by tho old Sinking Fund that would not be afforded until fix years had elapfed, in that we could not have, in lets time without this fyftem, the advantage to the fubjeet which would be now immediately enjoyed. By this fyftem in iBoS, 572,0001. more would be ap- 1 1 plicable to the relief of the fubjed. He perceived he was getting into the fubjed farther than he in tended, which he Should abftain from at prefent, as it was the genzral with to defer the difctiffion of it to a future day, when there would be a full op. portunity of confidering the whole of the fubjed, and when lie Mould take the liberty of 'hewing the advantages which would arife from the adop tion of the meafures ; of the ample fuperinrity of them over the diltdvantages to which the Hon. ; Gentleman had adverted. Mr. PITT laid, that the view of the fubjed taken by the Hon. Gentleman who (poke l a ft but one, %1 :IS fo interelling, that he begged to fay a few words upon it, no! with a view of entering, at pre fent, into the difcuflion of the fubjed, but in order that the grounds upon which it was to be confider ed, might be fully underilood. It mutt naturally occur to every Gentleman who had turned his mind to the confideration of this fubjed, even after he was fatisfied by the calculations which had been made, that the ultimate objed of the Sinking Fund would be accelerated by the adoption of the prefent, infead of adhering to the former plan ; it mull naturally occur, he laid, to every Gentle. man, to inquire whether, during the interval, any change effected by this new plan in its progrefs, would leave the country lefs able to meet any new conteft that might happen, than it would have been if this plan had never been adopted. This certainly was one of the molt important parts of the whole fuhjed, and if he were not perfealy convinced that the effect of it would be not only not to place the country in a worfe fituation dur ing its progrefs, but even to put it in a better one, he certainly fhould not be fo ftrong an advo cate for the meafure as he was. It was true, that for a certain period there would be a lefs portion of the debt paid off than there would have been by the former plan, though the whole of the debt would be fooner difcharged. The point of time when the difadvantages of the prefent plan would be the greaten, would be, when there was the greaten quantity of (Lock in the market, which would have been redeemed by the operation of the old Sinking Fund, and that period he Cup poled, from a rough calculation, would be in about 14 or 15 years time. At that period, when the difadvantage againft the Public would be at the greaten, there would be about 15,000,000 more hock in the market than by the old plan there would have been ; but every year before that pe riod the difadvantage would not be fo great, and every year afterwards it mull neceffarily decreafe. Taking then this objection at the utmolt, he with ' cd to alk every Gentleman to confider, whether in the event of a war, two, three, (even, ten, or twelve years hence, it would not be advantageous to the country to borrow, even with a greater ca pital by fifteen millions, (taking it at the molt un favourable period,) having at the fame time an undifpofed revenue of nine hundred thonfand pounds a year to raife the Loan with ? This quef tion he would readily leave to the decifion of the lion. Gentleman behind him (Mr. Boyd). It cer tainly was deferable that upon a fubjea, the calcu lation upon which Gentlemen were to decide, fhould come before them in the molt authentic lhape, but as to the point to which he had jolt al- luded, it was fo fimple, that every Getqlenian would calculate for himfelf. It was, however, worth while for his Right Hon. Friend to confider whether, as Come time necelfarily mutt elnpfe be fore the Bill came into a Committee, calculations upon this part of the fubjeet could not be forni filed to Gentlemen, as had been done upon the other part of the meafure. It might remove a great deal of difficulty, and would open a new view of the advantages that would reftilt from this plea- Cure. The Sinking Fund. by the prefent plan, would be perfectly continent with the original re gulation refpcs9ing that Fund ; all the pledges of the public faith would be preferved, and the mea fure would he more conducive to its object : Par liaMent would be able, by thefe means, to make a provition in cafe of any unforefeen exigency of the times ; it would he enabled to aftill the C.:hjeCt. if, unfortunately, at any time, the preffure of Taxes preffed urgently for relief; or, Lilly, it might be made the foundation of fome fyllem, that, under a new charaCter, might afford the means of 're lieving the Public in time of Peace, and of fur -1 nifhing new refources in time of War. lie would not enter further into the fubjea at prefeut : he merely threw nut this as n filbjal which Gentle men might turn their attention to, as he might probably fubmit fome further obfervations upon it during the future a - cull - lons upon this fubjed. Mr. TIERNEY laid, be underitood that by the plan now propofed, the fund would be lefs produc tive than under the old plan for a certain period, after which it would accumulate very rapidly.— He did not wills to exprefs any opinion upon the meafure at prefent, but he dOubted how far it was continent with the public faith that the 56,c00,0001. for the payment of which the whole of the Income Tax was pledged, could be transferred to another Fund. Mr. PITT fAid, he could not fuppofc the Hon. Gentleman would be an advocate for the continu ance of the Income Tax. The Hon. Gentleman mull be aware that no particular fund was appro priated to the payment of any particular part of the public Debt, and that no fpecific 56,c00,0001. was charged upon the Income Tax. The only quef tion was, whether a fufficient provifion had bccn made in the room of the pledge taken away ? he thought there had, and he apprehended it would not be contended that public faith was bound to continue the Income Tax. Mr. TIERWEY explained. A very limn farther converfation enfued be tween Mr. WILBFRSORCE, Mr. VANStTTART, and Mr. BOYD. The CHANCELLOR OF THE Excurostot faid, he would give direetions to have calculations made with different views of the fubjea, accord ing to the idea of the Honourable Gentleman, (Mr. Tierney) which would be laid on the Table in a few days. • The Refoltitions of the Chancellor of the Ex chequer were agreed to, and the Houfe having re fumed, the Report was ordered to be received to morrow.—Adjourned. /.ONDON. TUESDAY, MAY 18. PRICE OF STOCKS THIS DAY AT ONE O'CLOCK : 3 per Ccnt. Conf. for money, 74f,+...Ditt0, for ace. 74411 ; 4 per Cent. Bpi 90—Yews per C. to3l-01d s per C. ling. Onuttum, tit. DUBLIN, MAT 11. g per Cent Gov. Deb. loci. Exchange—Dublin on London It xi. This morning we received Paris journals to the Igth inflant. The Legiflative Body is doing every thing to haften the eleaion of the FIRST CONSUL for life. As they cannot vote as a body, a plan has been deviled to enable them to vote indivi dually, without taking the trouble of a journey to their own departments. Some ferious dillurbances have takev place in Switzerland, in fome places of which the peafants have been tieflroying the archives, with the view of getting rid of the payment of tithes and taxes. It was probably to this that the FIRST CONSUL al luded a few days ago, when he expreffed a hope that the Helvetians would ceafe to follow a line of condua, which might render it neceffary for other nations to interfere for their own fafety. The plague has broken out on the Ccaft of Africa. Government will. no doubt, order the proper quarantine regulations to be enforced in all onr ports. PARIS, MA r 14.—At fit o'clock in the morning of the 12th, a battalion of grenadiers, and a bat talion of chaffeurs, belonging to the Guards, quar tered at Courbevoye and at Ruel, went through various evolutions, under the immediate command of the FIRST CONSUL, who was highly fatisfied, in particular, with the exaanefs and precifion with which the battalion of grenadiers performed their manoeuvres. After parade the officers dined at Malmaifon. Orders of the 22d—The grenadier GMIAIN has committed the aft of fuicide, in confevrnce of love. In other terpeas he was a good fubjeft.— This is the fecond event of this kind, which has taken place in the corps in the courfe of a month. The Filar Comsoc commands that the follow ing notice Mall be polled up at the Guard : a A foldier ought to know how to overcome grief, and the melancholy arifing from paffion : there is as much true courage in fuffering with firm nefs,4nental pain, as in remaining firm before the grape-ihot of a battery. For a foldier to abandon himfelf to forrow without any radiance, to kill himfelf in order to avoid it, is to abandon the field of battle without having conquered." MAY s.—Entrance into our ports has been for bidden to all veflels coming from Oran and places adjacent. The plague bas' fuddenly snanifefled itfelf in that part of Africa, and with fuch rnAg. nity that it carries off id a few hours thole ar tacked by it. In the Extraordinary S itting of the Legirative Body of May 12, (Prefidency of RANA tr, jun.) VIENNOT VAUBLANC Paid-4 , The Commiiton has charged me to prefent to you the refult of its me• ditations. It has endeavoured to reconcile what is due to the dignity of the Leginative Body, and that of Government. Thc motives of its deter- mination will be fufficiently underftood by the pro. jet of a decree which I have the honour of pre fcrting to you in its name, viz. " The Legiflative Body having heard the Cor.- mifiiou named in the Sitting of Floreal 21 (May t ), for prcpofing means to regulate the mea. Cures purfued in regard to the Metrage of Covert:. meat of the fame day ; 4 , Confidering, that while the Citizens exprelred their wilhes for the acceptance of the Conftitution, the Legillative Commiffions then exitliag opened Regifters, in which the Members of the two Coun cils infcribed their individual votes; " Confidering, befides, that in the prefent circum (lances, the Members of the Legiflative Body may not arrive at the places of their refidence in fuf ficient time to infcribe their votes in the public re gillers; 6 , Decrees I ft. The deputation of a Member from each Department, nominated in the fitting of ref. terday, than repair to the Palace of the Govern. ment, to prefent to the Confuls the exprelfton of the fcntiments of the Legiflative Body. ad. A regifter !hall be opened at the Admini. ftrative Commiflion, to receive there the individual votes of the Members of the Legiflative Body on the object announced in the Decree of Govern. ment ; and the refult fball be tranfmjtted to Go. vernment before the end of the prefent Seffion." This Projesf was adopted. Sscua- 4 1 Citizens Legiflators! Though my opinion coincides with that of the Commiffion, it appears to me that it has not been fufficiently Fe cife in regard to the immediate opening of the regillers. When the Tribunate expreffed a wall s dictated by national gratitude, to the Firft Crate of the Republic, the Legiflative Body, which experienced the fame fentiment, believed with re gret that the Conftitution had interdieted it from the power of expreffing it, and of tating the lead in this refpea. I was then afraid, in confequence, of the bar thrown in the way by the Conftitution, that none of the eftablillied authorities could com pletely fulfil its with, which I believed to be general. In a cafe offo great importance, when the quetlion in agitation is to decide, whether the glory of our arms, the fweets of Peace, the refforation of pub lic order, the fupprellion of all fattions f will be falling or trantient; when it is neceffary to affix the teal of conftancy to our inftitutions, and de prive the enemies of the French people of the fatal hope of feeing revived thofe troubles and norms which agitated the Republic before the 18th of Brumaire; and in the laD place, when it is necef- Cary to give to the man whom France admires, and whom Europe envies, a recompence worthy of ourfelves, and of him, it is to the fovereigr. people alone, that we ought to addrefi ourfelves : they alone can realife our willies, and by an aft of their free and fupreme will, can eflablifh on a folid foundation their happinefs and repofe, by giving to BONAPARTE the moll ftriking mark of their confidence, the reward due to the labours he has undergone, and the dangers he has encountered. —The anfwer of the Flan Conger. to the Senate is perfally confonant to this opinion. This illuf triotE, Citizen, whole mind no great thought ef capes, expreffes at the fame tine his gratitude for this great authority, and his profound refped for the majefty of the foyereign people: in a word, the Confuls, and the Council of State, in convok ing the nation, give us the kat hope of teeing dif appear thofe melancholy boundaries which true patriotifm beheld with uneafinefs and envy, with bafe and perfidious joy. This decree of the Coun cils, which has been communicated to us, Citizens Legiflators, leaves us entire freedom to espies our fentiments. This is not one of thole ads re fpeeting which the impartial filence of a judge is impofed on us, it is an appeal to the people, of whom we form a part, and of whom we are the Reprefentatives. It appears to me, Citizens Le giflators, that this double fituation as Citizens and Reprefentatives of the nation, naturally points out tge two refolutions which ought to be entered into by the Legiflative Body. As Legiflators, we ought to fend a numerous deputation to the FIRST CONSUL, to exprefs to him the fatis. faction we experience from his anfwer, in which we admire all thofe fentiments which jail) , Co well the national confidence ; and as Citizens, we ought to open immediately, in the Office of nut. Commillion, a Rcgifter, in which each of us may individually fubfcribe his vote : this vote, loon repeated, I have no doubt, throughout all the Republic, giving confidence to all friends of their country, and deftroying all the hopes of the fac tious, will conftantly unite our fate to the gloriiai; defliny of the Conqueror of Italy and Egypt, of the courageous Citizen who overthrew anarchy, of