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the object of his Noble and-Aeamed.Plend's Amend,' tent, end if he rightly understood. it, with respect to one part of its object particularly, he must beg to say, that he thought time ought to be gives to consider whetkpr it would not be expedient to introduce the Pro. trstilit"-dielae4tionwhe—fieispoagd.-- He did not believe eithettkumlhe-frariers-of the clause as it now stood, or shat.,his Noble and LeirnedFriand, in proposing his Allterndtnent, had any intention to-prejudice the great queiticarW the Catholic Claims. The law, as it.re *wed admission to Corporations, he believed to be, ghat the Mayor and Aldermen, and, where such a body existed, tile-Common Coancil, were required to take the oath of abjuration; but that the other members of •the Corp Oration were not so required; and therefore Catho- Hes' might get in. If he understood his Noble and Learned Friend right, his object was, that the present Bill should not affect the Catholics in any way ; and he agreed with him in the opinion, that, with this view it would be well to insert the word " Protestant" in the 'deglatation contained in this Bill, which Iseavailed him self of this opportunity -to observe, had his entire ap probation. - - - - - The Earl of ELDON said, that they were now upon that pact of the Bill which related to Corporations only, and this was the place where the amendment ought to beintroductd. An exception might be made in another part of the Bill to obviate the inconvenience to which the NAle Duke had referred with tespeet to the Army and Navy, and other offices of trust. They were now legislating in favour of the Dissenters; for there was no conscientious Dissenter but would readily take the de. claration contained in the Bill whether in office or not ; but they ought not, under the colour of easing the Dis senters, to admit Catholics w political power. Nothing coaid more fully satisfy him as an inaividoal man, that this was not intended by the Act, than the declaration of the Noble Duke. But it was . notnso that they were to look at an Act of Parliament, and he ventured to say, that those-who drew up this clause had a view to the ptomotion of the Catholic question. He spoke in the presence of very learned men,ind he appealed to them whether Mayors or Aldermen were necessarily Justices of the Peace, and whether, unless they were so, the de tlarsition against Transubstantiation could be required *Of them ? and they were all aware of the repeated de clarations of the Legislature, that without this, the oaths of allegiance and supremacy were not sufficient to ex clude Cathdlics from office. Could they now retract show repeated declarations of Parliament, without pro inoting the Catholic Question? The Bishop of,BATH and WELLS said, that as the Noble. and Learned _Lord was so earnest upon this point,. and as they all knew the value and importance of his opinion, he should be disposed to vote fog the .amendment, ' Lord HOLLAND opposed the-amendment, and cen• tended that so far from promoting the cause of the - Catholics, the Bill, as it now stand, placed the Catholics is a worm situation than they were in before. The Act imposing the declaration against transubstantiation had been construed by Courts of Law as applying to cos po . Mt, oacers, and to all the members of corporations; shit this 'was a question of doubt, and it had been va riously ruled. The Noble 'Lord had thrown out an insinuation as if the framer of this clause had intended to promote the Catholic claims. But who was the 'framer •of clause ? Why, a Right HOnourable Gentleman, to whom, perhaps, it was nut quite regular foehim to allude, but who was distinguished for his zeal in opposition .to the claims of the Catholics. It they required a security against: any artifice having been employed favour of Popery, surely there could henone better : than the fact of its having been drawn sp . by that Right Honourable Gentleman. The Act of Lkion'was not intended to perpetuate the principle of the Test end Corporation Acts, for the inset tion of the lords of these 'Acts were proposed in the Act of Union. and they were rejected. The words proposed were. in - his opinion, unnecessary, and he appealed to the can dour and justice of those who were the most strenuous opponents of the Catholic claims, whether they would injure those claims by a side wind, and bythe means cf an Act intended merely as a bcon.to another class of the stthjects of the t fat ? The LORD CHOCELLOR, said, that although he lid not think them was any thing to call for the -intend inept that had been proposed, stilt he felt disposed to Genstar with his Noble and Learned Friend, that the ptewsoiquestioss was entirely directed to the Corporation Act. It was. whether the declaration was sufficient? tattbit eras inclined frt thigh *hot Without olterstion o was danger of Roman Catholics being admitted in * the leadisg offices .o the Corporation. of the Kingdom. 41kilin law stood, a person in order to hold office was Wied to tate the Vat's of Supremacy; and the same rt 0 .41 was awl bound m take isle Sacramental Test. Afore,' if they abrogated the Sacramental Test, such Prawn would be obliged to take the Oath of Supremacy, it or more. And if the Oath of Supirmacy be-not spikiest, it was clear that the declination 'against tran itibstautiatioa should be added. He thought that if the Oath Of Supreosacy were not sufficient, it ;timid be his *sty to support the eniendeneat which his Noble fkiend had declared it was his intentioa to introduce.' lAw Noble Friend bad stated that it hid been admitted Ili their Lordships that this oath was not sufficient; , anclAaltiog for granted that this statement was correct.he *add, of course, feet himself bound to defer to the doe- Wyse as it was laid down. But though concurring with bit Noble and Learned Fiieod in this, it did not at all fellow that he should agree to the motion he had then made. He would accordingly give his negative to the present motion; and - suggest that, unless their Lordships proposed at once to adopt the amendment, the discus aim upon it should he postponed to the third reading. Tbssy might, in the mean rime, occupy themselves in getting through the other clauses, that all the progress peasihk might be bade. The Earl of FALMOUTH remarked, that if the Right Hon. Gentleman. who was supposed to have framed that Declaration, did really wish to show his attachment to the Chnich of England, and his hostility to Emancipation, he'Must gives better proof of it than be had done in.that Deelaratioo. The Earl of - ELDON said, that without pretending to know who the individual that framed that Declare- Con might be, he would still express his belief that it had been dune with the best intentions.. But he could, not see what there was in the Bill to pleylude the neces-j sity of their_passing a Bill of Indemnity from year; to . year. He wished that, is additions, to thr o quhs of Allegiance and Somatic,, that the short, r i lsration in t orrtatiOn Act. and the loner rigs to the Test Atm sireld kg, eMbodied in the Bill ; $4. that the, 4,ggAtino should bp,iiken with the atiditina'that thei grim eras hotestarst., He iesiaipi r , d id objjxt p), disie r* ". °as vary sAal l ts/ say., ii'wheye* et it MWAsglia. w_bsit th 4 49044 OM *Saw eaves's*/ why. Lash 14914,4 AND adrcrosd.to Alwystssaitg g i 4 4 a ktittbkii:AditWriSet:flainiiiid• Its that it was merely recited, that whereas in the reign of s • Queen Anne it bad been found opodient, foe aim* .reasons, to make Pertain lawn...4e4t,piacted, &c. veinal were tbast pute sag the lot& enaametos declared t h e Non-Contents had ft. A dilielne, forponet, was called for. sokstraagers were craned to whhdraW. Cui our return. we understood their LAMM* b divided. and that the numbers were— For the Sesinst it - Majority 31 - 11 The Earl of EL . DON said that the present question was likely to exercise a most extraordinary power upon the Catholic Question, and whatever - course their Lord-• ships might choose to pursue, he would vote against the Bill were he obliged to do so singly below the Bar. The Duke of WELLINGTON said that his Noble and Learned Friend upon the Woolsack had suggested that the discussion should be postponed. The Noble and Learned Lord had objected, and seemed as if be wished to divide their Lordships twice upon the ques. lion. He begged to move, therefore, that the farther consideration of this clause be postponed until tomorrow. The Earl of FALMOUTH gave notice that he would move sal a clause in the Bill, that Dissenters bolding corporate offices should have no vote respecting the disposal of the Church patronage in the gift of that corporation. The Lordships then divided upon the Duke of WettiNcrea's motion—For the motion 49 Against it . 24 Majority • —25 The further consideration of the Report was then adjourned un til to-morrow. &me conversation here took place, in which the Marquis of L►xsoowa, the Vol' of ELDON, and the LORD Coaecti.tna took part, when it was agreed that the further examination of witnesses on the Penryu Disfranehisement Bill should be adjourned until Tuesday next. Their Lordships adjourned at a QUARTIR PAST EICHIT.O.CI.OO4 HOUSE OF COMMONS. • Mr. BERNAL presented a Petition from tl•o Company of Dredgers of Rochester against the Malden Harbour Bill, com plaining that it went to limit the public right of fishing in the Biackwater River, in waters that had hitherto been free. • Mr. WESTERN said he had several Petitions against the Bill, and spok* strongly against it. Mr. W. DICK said that it was not intended to press the Bill this Session, but that another measure would be brought lot ward neat year. • Mr. LENNA RD supported the Petition. . Sir E. KNATCHBULL and Sir E.HARVEYopposed theßill. The Petition was laid on the tatle. Nr. NORTH presented a Petition from certain Shareholders of, the Hibernian Joint Stock Company splint the Bill for dissolving the same.-l Aid on the table. Mr. Alderman THOMPSON presented a Petition from James Humphrey, Esq. in favour of the Whitechapel Rail Road WiL— Laid on the table. _ _ _ • _ . Ur. Alderman WAITH MA N presented a Petition from certain occupiers of land in favour of the same Bill.—Laid on the table. Mr.'C. PALLIER presented a Petition from certain owners of wharfs in the Port of London against the London Dock Dill— Referred to the Committee. Mr. WESTERN presented two Petitions -against the Maldon Harbour Bill. _ _ Mr. LENNARD presented a Petition to the same effect.— Ordered to he on the table. Mr. CARTWRIGHT presentedthe Report .of the Committee appointed to try the right of voting in the Borough of Ludlow. • Lord ENNISMOUE moved the Order of the Dan .for re suming the adjourned debate upon the Hibernian. Joint= Stock Company Bill. The question having been resumed. • • Mr. SPRING RICE opposed the Bid. . Mr. P. THOMPSON moveetthat the all beleferredlois Select Committee. Mr. Alderman THOMPSON seconded the motion. After a few observations from Sir J. NTWEORT. Sir G. Hx.s, Mr. M. FITZGERALD. Mr. J. Gssrrast, %ir. Akiermsn Warruatsw i and Lord Eransisoss, the debate was further adjourned to that day se'nnight. Mr. W. DUNDAS presented a Petition from the Royal Burghs of Scotland, in favour of protectian to the growers of corn.--Laid on the table Mr. LAW LEY presented a Petition from the Chamber of Cone- I merce•of Birmingham, praying a repeal of the • Stamp Duty on Receipts.—Laid on the table. Mr. W. DUN DAS presented a Petition from the Royal College of Phy.iciaus, praying an alteration of the law affecting the obtain ing of subjects for anatomy.--Referned to the Cummins*. Mr. Alderman WOOD presented-similar l'etitiona from the Medics) Society of London and the Alder.gate-street School of Anatomy.--lieferred to the Committee. • Mr. AidermanWOOD presented Petitions from various Friendly Societies in Faversham against the Friendly Societies' (erred to the Conimktee. Similar Petitions were presented by Mr. DAVENPORT, front Stockton; from Bolton and Ipswich, by Mr. blacasittion; by Mr. CLIME., from Southampton and Portsmouth; from Birmingham, by Mr. Laws.av ; by Colonel Dams, from the Vreelsons of M. bion Sudety; from London, by Mr. Alderman Tmossrwot; front Cambridge, by Sir J. Toast; from Coventry, by Mr. Fri.'s.— The Petitions were referred to the Committee on the Bill._ .)r. Alderman WOOD presented a Petition from two Paris Was in Lancashire, praying the House to az a minimum of wages.— Laid no the table. Mr. LEYCESTER presented a Petition front Shaftesbury miaow the Prien.ily Societies' Bill. Mr. HERRIBS presented a similar Petition from a Society to Harwich. Mr. HUME presented a Petition against the Friendly Societies' MU from the member* of a Friendly Society in Stockport. A Message from the Lords announced that their Lordships bad agreed to some private Bills, and requesting the attendance of C. Mamas, Esq. and W. Mainline, Esq. to attend their Lordships land give evidence respecting the Pcnryn Election.—Leave given , in the usual form. Mr. PENDARVRS presented a Petition from certain Roman CadioHes in the County of Cornwall in favour of Catholic Eman. cipatioo.—Ordered to be printed. Mr. WILLIAMS presented a Petition from the Corporation and Inhabitants of Dorchester. praying that no further concessions , be made to the Roman Catholics. Mr. CA LCIIA FT said that be understood that the Petition had ant been agreed to without some discussion, although there was a large majority in its favour. Mr. W I LLIA MS said that only one person spoke, and only three hands were held up against it.—Ordered to be printed. Mr. R. KING presented Petitions from the Roman Catholics of various places in the County of Cork, in favour tit the Catholic Claims.—Ordered to be printed. kir. T. WILSON presented a Petition from Woodhouse, to sbi County of York, against further concession to the Roman Catho lies.—Ordered to be printed. Mr. CARTER presented four Pe•ition• from Portsmouth and Southampton, against the Friendly Societies Bill. The same Hon. Gentleman presented a Petition front the Catholics of Portsmouth,' for Emancipation. Mr. J. WOOD presented similar Petitions front 'Manchester, Bolton-le-Moors, and another place. Mr. J. WOOD presented a similar Petition from a Unitarian Congregation at Warrington. Mr. LA W LEY presented a Petitions from the Chamber of Commerce, for a repeal of the Stamp Receipt Duty. Sir J. GRAHAM presented similar Petitions from Wbitebaven and Workington. Lord KASTNOR presented a Petition from the Catholics of Hereford for Emancipation. Mr. S. RICE presented a Petition from the Brown Linen Ma. nutactorers of Charieville, Ireland, praying for protection for their manufacture. Ordered to be printed. Mr. C. BARCLAY brought in a Bill to regulate Elections for the County of Galway.—Read a first time, and ordered to be read a second time on May sth. Colonel DAVIES prt minted the Report of the Select Committee oo the Boroughs and Cities Polls Bill—Ordered to be recommitted on Monday neat. BYNG brought in a Bill to Relieve Counties from Repair. ing !toads within certain limits of Bridges.—Read a first time. Mr. W. PEEL presented Returns of the number of persons h..ving Forfeited their Recognisances in Criminal Prosecutions , within a given times.—Crilerod to be printed. Mr. MOORE patpoood until to-morrow his presentation of 'the City of Dublin Petition &phut the Catholic Association. Mr. BATLEY promoted a Petition from due Mayor and Cor poratiooof Beverlb in Yorkshire. against the Catholic Claims. Lard I. "MOM" SPeatid similar Petitions from the Rural . Deans and Clergy of Stow and the Fo rest , i n t h e Diocese of Gloucester. Me. HUME premmed a Petitioo for Catholic Hasioetration f ret . tin Roman Catholkei.ot. Rromovel lathe Ceemesof Down. Air. Al. A. TA Xl.Olt promattal a: iteekloo•for, irmaskaltatiao fteihe Romeo Catbollmod.Celsikdo..k COolity oialaeltaat. ; HEATH COXII presented a tatiftg Nth Alit leadhoiden 014 Pardeshbv, to Wow oPtio ;Ora. t ev ii. Mr. HUME moved for a Rot= of the gam*, and 011idal Value of all Mee Imported into the United g,lngdom for the ten ro an coding the 6th of Januly,ll2B..-Ordari. • LIFR 4.IORUITILS. Mr. Alderman WAITHMAN presented a. PetitiOn ,from Mr. Moses Wing. complaining that he had given -repeated information to Government on the subj •ci of `Life Annuities. The Hon. Alderman adverted to the r statements of Mr. Pinlaison on the subject, and obseried; that it was extraordinary- nothing had been done. So early as May, 1819, the Petitioner had addressed - a - kV: ter to Government, stating the lossei which the country sustained by the then mode of granting Annuities, and the necessity for a new set of tables. Now Mr:Finlaisonl had a salary of 5001. a year to enable him to construct new tables, but up to January last he bad not fulfilled his duty in that respect. The Petitioner had cakulated that upon the transfer of 12,000,0001. under the present tables, there would be a loss of 2,690,0001..6 the public. It appeared from the statements made fornielly.' that the public were losing 8,0001. weekly by the present tables, and yet the late Chancellor of the Exchequer neglected to remedy the evil, though he admitted, in his answer to the Petitioner, that the fact was so. The. Northampton cedes were made by the Equitable As surance, which Office . made immense profits from the calculations taken under these tables. So . far from new tables being necessary, calculations might be made with out recourse to any new measure. He contended, that the House, in justice to the public, was bound to institute an inqoiry into the subject. . . The Petition was ordered to be printed. CnORT OF CHANCERY. .Mr..M. A.TAYLOR. rose, in pursuance of his notice, to bring forsiard his Motion, which, had he not heard to the contrary from a high quarter in the Hoitsi; he should have thoight would have been sanctioned by his Majesty's Government, and had that been the case, he should have had no occasion to . go at any length into the subject. He could not conceive what could induce his Majesty's Governnient to persist in their refusal to look into the Mate of the Court of Chan cery, which 'had been the lubject of appeal to that House for Year's, and which, before he sat down, he would prove to be at present 'in a worse state than it ever had been.- He supposed that it was because mo tions on this subject proceeded from an humble and insulated individual that they were not noticed; but he had such reliance on the good sense of the Unuse and the country, thee they would' see that this Court was, not sufficient for the business of the country, and . that one day or other they would demand of the Govern ment to take some steps =to ameliorate its conditiOn.— The subject had. before been thought deserving of in, quiry. hi 1811, a motion had been • carried' by the casting vote of the Speaker, for aninquiry into the state of the suitors, and, u ith the concurrence of the Lords, it was avecd that steps for that purpose should.be taken. He would* assert that the state of the Court was not then one-third so bad aa..it was at present. The truth was, the evil was of such us ignitude that Mieisters did not like to look it in the face ; and thit*.w i lg,tio 1.4 mbit f saying, " We Ititow .it . is„ very btkt ,that eon, be dotter In many. caws, alit; .I)l4,Xelci.'s go forward without shneriaiot soriteieme4 ?". • And When he had offered to *Kew it, then he wits.told, " We are not agreed as to the eataat t g,1,10, /le could;.howev_er„ . never reloa.,lo..isk t E ff orts. upon I the subject. rbe.were told to produce a plan, he Would do so; but , at ill events, he would at different times take the sense, of the House. He had no in dividual interestin what he did.. He. never .writhed under the infliction; of the Court of Chaneemand ra ther than suffer the misery of, its aid .he 'would with pleasure forfeit several hundred pouncli. Would Minfs T ten themselves think it'pleasant to go.there,? No, they would not;.but still, the public was to be sacrificed to the political state of the country; lie did not Mean to quarrel with the Report hefore the House:. He Would'ouly ob serve, that two years had elapsed, that the Bills brought forward had been abandoned, and that all the pu'llic had to look to was I string of resolutions, or orders, published by the Lord Chancellor, and which were intended merely to expedite causes to, the period of hearing. He had not, however, anything to do with the subject until the time of heating, and up to that period he did not quarrel with those orders. Although he had been at the t?,.r, and had practised. in Chancery, he would not then enter into the practices which might clog suitors,-but he wouhl call the attention of the House, one ototheri to these orders, as well as to the. system generally, which were far from what it ought . to be, as it was not the subject he meant to discus.. He would however say, that from the strides made by the Court of Chancery, if it proceeded in its present course, there was no knowing 'to what length its inflictions might extend ; and he ap pealed to the Country Gentlemen what would, in pro cess of time, be the result, and whither there was any subject, however private or indifferent, which, according to the powers now claimed. might not be brought before it. Indeed he might go as far in that way as Hudibras i who looked upon it as an engine even in law and match- Making, for he suggested,when speaking of the lawyers: " And if you foUow their advice ? In bills and answers, and replies, . • You'll write love-letters in Chancery Shall make your fair, on oath, answer ye, And either force her to be your wife, • Or make her wretched all her life." • And indeed (said the Honoprable Gentleman) .that is true;.for if 1 was a young Lady—(A laugh)—and a. loan said if you don't marry me I'll put you into Chan cery, as will be recollected was done, the other day with, a dead man, against whom a bill was filed, I would agree at once to his proposal, sooner'than be obliged .to go in there and answer upon oath as to whether 1 liked him, and to the various -other piquant interrogatories Which a humorous or a malicious genius might suggest. As to the orders, they did not appear to be consistent with what they ought; a , , when a bill was ripe for bearing, the party was obliged to apply for Love to se. it down, and considerable time would elapse before even the very hearing came on. The delays wh ch took place. in the Court of Chancery were so great, that if a party sued for a legacy of 2001. bequeathed to him, and that the executors to the will did not admit assets, he 'would defy the most ingenious, active, and able solicitor in London to get that two hundred pounds out of Chancery under a_ period of six years. Also, if a widow and children were to receive a residuary bequest, after the payment of debts, &c. provided there were assets, could it be supposed, although it cert.tibly was the case, that during- the whole of the, proceedings, unless the Master made a separate report, that this widow and children would be actually left without any means:of support? The motion he intended to proposehe should shortly state, because he would be sorry to lead the House astray, or under any circumstances to bring forward a motion which he could not substantiate. The terms of his motion would be, ss that it appeared to the House, from the papers laid before it, and the evidence taken by the Commissioners, that-notwithstanding the establishment of the office of Vice Chancellor in 11313, some further steps were necessary for the advan-' person P presiding g t in the decided , t ofc and hanle f r o y r , 'en a 14 " th i r Pfe l cas ° C ou r effectually to discharge his other important 'duties." When the question was last before the House, his Right Bon. Friend the Home Secretary did him the how, * to say, that he was glad he (Mr. M. A. Taylor) did not Maas to move for any further Committee, and %vas ea t , tent with the papers before tie House, and with evidence before the Commissioners. When he mo v • bi for papers a few weeks ago, he stared the number causes then set. d9wna.as fa.t..;3l.llVEZlatdran he found it correct. He beggtchb assure his c10n.?0, 4 the Solicitor. General, that he would conic to the iips it i o simply,. tend he hoped that he shOuld justify himself the opinion of the House by the course he would punk lipase papers on' the table, it appeared that on the' day . :of Hilary Term, 1818, these stood before Chancellor, re-hearings and appeals 69. Before Vice-Chancellor, causes 851. Pleas and demutiers Exceptions and• farther directions 158—making in 595. Ir.,was important to mask a distinction hem,. when st-cavate was•mentioned or heard, it should,- derstood.as being simply in a state of prowess, ' it had afterwards to be sent to the Master tor htreeptli ti after which came exceptions, and then Orobablyanothei bearing for further directions. Sometimes there el two applications for further directions, and what he cni plained of was tonlirmed by causes refilaihing tot heat! during two years, and aft- rsrards set down for. Nu! directions for full a yearend a, half. The Hon. Mew _ then went on to notice, in terms of the highest praise, k, exertions made by the plc sent Master of the Bolls while in the office of Vice• Chancellor. He then did all 0 1 . 4 ; i man, could .40. to. expedite the business of the Co n . By the utmost possible exertion he was enabled to Ow the business of his : branch of the Court upon such, looting as thot causes generally received fur.her dirk, Lion in six or seven months . after they came upon • paper, but before a short time had elapsed from period of his appointnient, business so increased tha he found it impossible to put them in a train for futtln i directions in less than 18 or 19 month. from the tie, they appeared on the paper. The House would course bear in mind, that when these directions wen givei, there was still not an end to the suit--ths n ' directions were far from finally disposing of the first day' of last term there vete altogether itul, than 559'eauses in the Cotirt of Chancery not dispotel of, (hat is, befote the Lord Chancellor and tt.e V Chancellor. There were at the same betthe Master of the Rolls, eighty:one cases upon exceptions, and 147 musts,' which, with those set down for 4utt/ directions, made 266, giving a total of 825 in the Cow of Chanoety. He spoke from facts well authenticatt It would be wen from the paper delivered in tn - Coui within the last tot might, that before the Lord Chancel ',there were twenty juJgments—there had been silty, I lof that number forty had been gotten rid of, twenty (course remainiap. On the first day of Term, in t Vice Chancellor a Court,•there stood for judgment, on pleas and demurrers. 75; causes, 341 ; except' and further directions, 106. - His statements we:K.l land it was worthy of remark, -that-some - of -th*cat . which had been heardleforelLord Lyndhurst, when was Master of the Rolls, weenot yet - deciddd—{Heal !In 1611,1812, and 1813, tylatn. the.Hou e had thouy :it right to interfeteolte state of" the Court was ti Before the Lord Chancellor--.••CaillitS, 1191 appeals, and demurrers, 59; making a total of 213'; s;iiletel the Rolls there were —causes, 226; further directions, When .the House thought it 'necessary to establish.a Chancellor's Court,. the arrears were 483, v.hereas present the arrears were .885. He therefore mair.taint by the act of the House on a preceding occarion, ought again to take some step for the relief "of suitors. The Hon. Gentlernalt then quoted largely hoe the. Report of • the Commissioners, and contended that Report. confirmed 'him in.his .view, that anodic! .Tudgq was necessary-for the due dispatch of the buhiCICSI They all admitted the evils, but feared to look the medy in the face. B urk. tad said,- that allowed that such and oich.shiess were perfectly and very desirable, hat tht7.etete• imptacticable; to those persons Mr. Burke replied. •,-That. whkl, not practicable is not.desir able ; ; uothing t 1 at is.tor vet good but is within the reach of indurdry and ssell.4 reeled, perseverance. ; Nothing that GOD has mark which is desirable for-es• but is te , be-attained. • But •i men cried to the mom. they must still cry on."— (Hear.)—That -had. been .the refit of that illestrisa man; the House had set its shoulders to the wheel, toll his measures for reforming the household and. otte matters were carried. . He was *sorry the Right Secretary for . the Horne Department si , oold be alma when such a stibjest. was—under discuoion— Hear , (frfr.i'sit. entered the House at this moment).—He ro 'glad to see his Right Hon. Friend in his pLce, but bt should have been much better pleased if he had read tin ettracts from the evidence before the Corami4iuneti Mr. PEEL intimated that he had read the evidence. Mr. M. A. TAYLOR. said that he was very glad to hear that such was the case; WV* the Right Hinder. able Gentleman had indeed read the evidence,. how hr could hope to get over the circumstances of the case he did not know,as he went simply on its facts. As to the question of bankruptcy, that was' only one* ova' dart' consideration. He did not intend to insist that that must be taken away; but he did insist most sue. nuously that something must be done. What brit .tht project that Government had for affording relief.? : send a portion of the cases to she Exchequer. But ;cis this either fair or just ? What right had Government to dictate valsereAghshmen were to go for justice? It was a thing not to be toietated, for he affirmed that eve'? man had a tight to'ay that his cue should go before the 'Great Seal. But irwas , said, ityou find an evil, you are bound to find a remedy: He denied this; but even when he offered a remedy,' he should ha‘e his facts denied, and the consequent necessity of a remedy at all. Some time ago, he had been t01d,." if the state of the Court be not difilrentin'oneyear, we Will support you"—(Hear.) Now, was there any atm , ition in the state of the Cowl? —(Heat). He knew of none--not that h e i nten d e d io find any fault with the Judge: the fault thathe found was with the Government that suffered such things to exist without amendment, and seeing the harassed state in übich the suitors of the Court sere, did not say— " this shall no longer be." The House might negative his motion by what majority it pleased; bur he pledged himself to bring it forward again and again, till some thing like justice was pro cute d. H e f or one would never consent to sending the suits i n Ch ance ry to be ttiedes the Court• of Excheque r ; on t h e contrar y, he felt with .many of the Gentlem en w h o h a d g i ve n evidence co the Committee, that the simplest mode to relieve the Court of Chancery would b e to se p ara t e the baok e ruptcy business from it. Supposing such a septration woe to take place, and Lord Eldon were appointed Judge is 'bankruptcy cases,' would the public deplore such as event? 'Certainly not. There might perhaps beta little delay, but at least there would be no deficiency in pleat or business-like questions. Where then did the diSculty lie? Not in the business—this might. be one ; buts the patronage that belonged to it—(Hear!) Vthat would become of the office of the patentee of bank ruptcies, where pia : thousand p ounds a year. wets p 44 tot' doing: 4144.4 swihiag,l! 7 .-19r, ac ofiiSrr s ine! , rally never went near the place, nor saw Chancery from one year's end to the other.—(Hear, heat!)— And Os". 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To m 41re an . b ot h wishing him a fore of n fore de , 4 the poblie would n ''Srs It .• • mote expense, as K iiw - all :1 - •.• decisions. to causes lere f f - ~ , . In making. ihe t 0..., ; , woself vaned upoi because - bist intruded hinssi vlePait, again begged to,ass another : upon any individua ire weld attacked the system he emu. be hoped shalt his e heating gree to produce Sue farther to reform. Memb e r Lord RANCLIF .4 iseitbv that he had long be lit while the delays in the 4 an chit suitors; and thougl e Cou; present Lord Chalk to pl ea ceive that the fouls ' such [ trusted that such . 1 e t dugs, •sectify some or dm lll'm lle : Court a serious evil rout the .to have buseuess:to I sed tb 4 lici o it wa itair 1 r furthie Mr. 'IVES& 'tope the tic the delays in Charm could d : delay . in the decision ins we ll ; iliersee down for hi f _ f b ee 5. be advisable, evep . if it.—Q t the very day it was r . no.lee . directed by a Stay disposed • , Veason why they shr '.e V.Ces ' 1 ilfri4 a 4'16 ;' or tak the th e upcur v ass average wi reptions, . ..ossever, a cause hi r 4tother it could be heard, a he Cou r t . ear, heart s . He 1 nticated.' . Ono. o yiars in it 'Counsel i.. .f the case, :but it .‘I ishceller ' im forlhat period, i l ly, bus ,I ion of business he 1 venty .• 1 : nt fairly-, the cap I,' - in th e i 7 . .Uld go btfore tht mint, 2 1 ireetions ;go agaii rception, • the Master's OE nffacts • - the p,aper: Bets riicaute .. •1f..4.5f..e 410 - 14 of alien h rsias sUpposing both -{Hear flysnia . 4tea to-issue; - for lhough be much more emb ivas this ••)wevrover, would be eats, 35 . - ' , were wasted in star ilebefer ,: avP, ()t the parejee e tionc, .' I,oo:st:sliii from an iskaVt.. .: penal, em accou leteas , ' the POWirbbsini 4.r a i .1 .`? , ,i - akpaaled from ;Af r o% ~ ' 'kit') up. This ewi of 'of t h r ta. of . self-multi ;ely frog •' moils he had nii t i ed T h ai :..it.iiiit•• abated,' an anodic! 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