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•i: I °;?" ;7: ":fir ' -;; ) , l• , , j • . LE - •t • 4 411 ( 1111 0" 4,,ek „,, • Ilk 1 i t !xi x 1 7f'• NITIvIDER 8730. FRIDAY, FEBRUARY 24, 1815. PRICE SIXPENCE-HALFPENNY. PARLIAMENTARY' PROCEEDINGS. r HOUSE OF LORDS, FEBRUARY 23. l'he LORD CHANCELLOR took his Not en the Woolsack ,bout the usual hour; and after prayers were read, an adjourn :heat during pleasure took Nam On the resuming of the House, Mr. Codicil, from the Stamp Oflee, presented an Amount of the Number of Country Banks, from which promissory notes were issued, &c during the year ending sth of January last. ViscoUnt MELVILLE presented *Petition from certain parts of the County of Haddinvou, in favour of a speedy revision of the Corn Laws, which was ordered to Ile on the table. Mr. Irving, Inspector-General of the Customs, presented au Account of the quantity of Grain imported into Great Britain, from Ireland and pans abroad, during the year ending fith of January last ; distinguishing the species of Grain, Prices, Pont, which was ordered to lie on the table. TRIAL BY JURY nr SCOTLAND. The Order of the Day, upon which their Lord ships were summoned, being read; The LORD CHANCO..I. roe to move the second rending of the Bill, reawated him former evening. far facilitating* justice in Scotland, by ettenclieg co certain Civil Causes. The -Noble Lord prefaced his motion by a . ;path, in which be observed, that or object of the Bill in question.). much difference of opinion. apaciall , known to be the general wish and ple for whom the measure was benefits of the Trial by Jury should civil causes in that country. For 3 hearty and anxious wish was :ountry, though UMW shades of as to the most effectual modes of Tii.tl by Jury in other cases had Wished in Scotland, and its benefits certainly was of opinion, that am in a system of so much importance . Sy the Bill, would best be done grade manner the most desirable to those the change was intended. He-adaa !c) the present Bill, there must be upn its clauses in the Committee , question now then before the' Hon" whether they should make the nirora the Trial by Jury to the extent wlich poses to in:roduce it I and on trusted their Loedskips would give to the Bill. His Lordship then second reading. The Earl of 1110)tTON ibtartained the beneficial effects of the proposed veral obstacles lay in the two ' blishments. In inmost /en of Noble Earl referred le tunnies pens of the Court et Session--aha stork prevailed in the country in other Meta* eopien Urfa to think the adoption of the tended with the most serious comeqeences. Earl STANHOPE spoke at some length upon the subject, and made a variety of observations, more or less hostile to the particular measure under the con sideration of their Lordships. Did the Noble and Learned Lord move a Resolution equally in favour of the establishment of Jury Trial in Scotland ? He believed there 'could not be one dissentient voice; but even of the principle of the present Bill, he strongly disapproved. He also doubted much of the general sentiment in Scotland being in favour of such a measure as that before the House. There was one prominent feature in the Bill, that struck him as an ineconcileable ainconpuity, vis. that the Bill pro. fessed that the Trials by Jury should be confined to matters of fact; yet the Judge was directed in it to direction to the Jury in matters of law. The N 0.., Isle and Learned Lord should at least have explained how they could proceed upon those inconsistent Clauses. The Noble Earl expatiated on the benefi cial importance of the general establishment of the Trial by Jury, as in England, in a constitutional as , well as a legal point of view, and referred copiously to the dcta of Lord Chief Justice Vaughan, of th e Court of Common Pleas, in support of his opinions. In this, the prominent point was the establishment of the consideration, that Juries were Judges of the law as well as of the fact: and he also referred to the es tablishment of the new Court of Exchequer in Scot. land, in the Bth of Queen Anne, which went, so the, to establish the Trial of Jury therein, fully as in England, and the Barons wets invested with Ow Powers of equity as wen as law, as in the latter. The way in whi c h the benefit s dun; Jury Trials were pre+ hired by the present menu* and those Match save rise to it, reminded him of sba man who publicly f or a w i fe at the Opera. =Yin .; the Ladies, ' o win you Many—tor Y ely a This not r , • s proposition, so coming from a gong!, met with a general negative from those to *hooka was addressed. .flo he believed it was with respdtt to the present Jury proposhion. (A largh.)—li snit ther point of view he disapproved of the present met sure ; it may (though certainly not intended so by the Nobl e and Learned - Lord), eventually because a job; the limited duration of the Bill was also a point which he disapproved. In short, he deemed the mea inre as proposed, rather an insult to the peoples olough not offered by the Noble and Learned Lord j and though he was not exactly a co yet he had too much honest Scotch blood in his composition not to vote against the second reading of the pew ant Lord GRENVYLLE cordially approved of the Bill's going to a Committee, were it only to cadets your to free it from imputed imperfections- Tholds" 6 141 question they seemed to be, whether it wenld be beneficial to Scotland to extend the Trial by Jury into Scotland ? and that admitted, the House would best discharge its duty, by proceeding to consider of It mode in which it mild most effectually be done. t would be very desirable if they could chalk MN Certain lines in the Committee, and lay down eat* Eases in ',hid) titre trial by jury could apply. He adl‘. wed from his Noble Relation cis several points, sad was of opinion the subject generally could be best discussed in a Committee. The Earl of*LAUDZIEDALE followed, an] ex. pressed his opinion in favour of going into a Com mittee upon the Bill: There were several points that could hest he discussed in that stage, as there was much of the Bill that he could wish to see amended. The people of Scotland, from the experience they had 1,1 the heowtits of the Trial by Jury, would natu rally wish to sea them extended, and it may be pointed out by Parliament before-hand what cases were fit to go before a Jury. In conclusion, his Lordship ad- verted to some points which he conceived to have been advanced by the Peer who spoke second in the dis cussion, and which called up, The Earl of MORTON shortly . in explanation. Viscount MELVILLE was decidedly in.favour of the measure, and felt convinced that in a very short Period'those who should experience tbebenefits of the proposed - nation, would - forward - their - . the _isth- Keller of the Poor. He would also move on that day for heave to Mug in a 11U1 to alter and amend the 22d of kis present Ma jesty, so far as related to the Employment of the Poor. Mr. BF.iNINErT wished to ask if an Honourable Friendof bis Csert r. i Hi;iforil) meant to bring forward a motion, which he had had it in • contemplation to make, for an enquiry into the state of the Hulks? • Mr. HOI.FORD had not changed his intention, but had not yet brought the subject forward, as he knew it was under the consideration of Government, and the question must come regu larly before the House in the course of the Session, as the Bill for continuing the use of the Hulks would expire. Mr. BENNE nr then inquired of a Right Honourable Gen- 1 1 &man (Mr. H. Addington) ff such a measure was likely to NO brought forward ? Mr. H. ADDINGTON stated the subject to he under consi deration, but he was not yet authorised to state the course to be taken was determined upon. Sir J. SHAW obtained leave to bring In a Bill to regulate the practice of Apothecaries. The House went into a Committee on the 52d of the King, respecting Excise Licenses, the report of which Mill ordered to be received to-morrow. Ois the motion of the CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER, the Bank Restriction Bill wet reed a second time, and con mined for Monday. *LAVI TRADE. Ms. HORNER, before the House went into a Committee on the Corn Laws, wished to ask the Right Honourable Gentleman opposite a sluestian on the conduct of Government with respect to the Slave Trade. A publication bad recently appeared under the authority of a person, who was an agent of the African Society, in the colony of Sierra Leone, in which he stated, that of three persons of the names of Brodie, Cooke, and Dunbar, convicted in that settlement of being concerned in carrying on the Slave Trade, and sentenced to transportation, two et them, viz. Cooke and Dunbar had bad, or were about to have, their 111111180110 remitted. He wished to know, if it was the intention of Govern . meet to interpose between the law and persons con victed of so serious an offence t In asking this geoi d," he thought it right to state, that he put very Rule confidence in the statement to which he had re ferred, or to any other contained in the publication be had mentioned. Mr. H. ADDINGTON said, there was not the shadow of a foundation for the assertion, to which die Honourable and Learned Gentleman had alluded. Vie individuals in question had been confined -on beard the Hulks, where it was intended they should smnain until their sentence could be canted into of. ibet. In consequence of the representations made of ill health of the parties, which fact bad been 'shed on the best authority, they had for a tints lelm exempted from the severe labour which those sobs were there confined were compelled to perform. . 'dons bad since been received from them, and minas bad b een disposed to attend to the prayer, them; but within these few da y s difficu lt ies bad arisen involving certain legal points, which had made the Secretary for the Hone Department think b in submit the MN to the consideration of de jaw Wiens of the Crown, and no decision op it hail yet taken place. • Mr. HORNER was satisfied with the answer. In peados the question be had not the onallett crisps* lit interim with the cane Ministers • think it their duty to pursue. Their conduct • ap.. peared to have been perfectly correct in considering whether the punishment awarded ought to be carried. into effect, if the sentence appeared too severe, or if the shadow of a doubt had beea thrown on the guilt of the parties, after the decision of the Jury, and ha was glad to find they were so feelingly alive to their duty in this respect. The person who had written the book he had mentioned, had endeavoured to make it appear that Government had adopted his view of the subject. In the same work, a public institution, to which he and many other Members of that House belonged, bad been much calumniated. He had tar the trouble to inquire into the truth of the 11811111111ent made concerning them ; and, after wading through a great mass of evidence, he bad found not only that alley were without fpundation, but that they wore advanced under circumstances which he should have thought must have proved to•the writer present inefficacy , the Corn Laws ever was pre sented to the House. —ln the course of the few words he had to say, he would take the liberty of adverting to that Petition, and reading one or two Resolutions. feeling s , that expressing the semi• meets of his constituents in their own expressive lan guage, would have much greater weight with the Committee than any thing he could offer himself.— He thought it was unnecessary for him to state to the House the vut anxiety and interest that occupied the public mind in Ireland upon this subject, tor they menu be aware of the great extent of agriculture that covers the whole face of that country. nor did he as sume too much in attributing to that agriculture, those resources and energies which had enabled Ire land so materially to contribute to the present situa tion of affairs'upon the Continent, and to the restora tion of that peace in Europe which now so happily pervades throughout the world. Here the Noble Lord adverted to tome of the Resolutions of the Pe tition front the county of Louth, proving that, in three months of Christmas last, by the returns from London, of January 2, 1815, 258,812 quarters of foreign wheat were imported into London, and only 850 of Irish; and in the same period 48,611 quar ters of foreign oats were imported into London, and only 2770 of Irish: and that, in the week after end ing the 2d day of January, 1815, 35,590 quarters of foreign wheat, with 24,088 quarters of foreign oats were imported into London, and not a grain from .Ireland. Surely. continued he, these are tuicontra dieted facts, which, whether looking to the present situation of the Empire, at to its future resources, call upon 'the Legislature for amendment—and here he could not help noticing what fell from the Ho nourable Member last night. who moved the amend nniato-who, iu the face of that Assembly, in the face of the country, and in the face of common sense, ventured to compare the advantage of having our re sources within ourselves, and deriving our subsistence from our own soil with the precarious reliance of procuring our subsistence from a foreign 'market, which might be withheld when we were in the utmost want, and produce an unparalleled calamity; such, be thought, might be the case with this coun try, if the House agreed to the wishes of the Hon: Gentleman (Mr. Baring) ; for how could any one suppose that the British and the Irish farmer, who had great taxes and burdens to bear, could cul tivate his lard and raise his grain at the same prices as the foreign farmer, who has none of these drawbacks to contend with ? With regard to Ireland, the Noble Lord thought, by what be bad stated from the Re solutions he had read, that the House must see the great alarm that prevailed in the agricultural world there on this subject. He had received a letter from an eminent agriculturist in the county of Louth, who said such was the dismay amongst them, that if the best farm in Ireland was offered to him for nothing, be being obliged to till the landunder existing prices, be would not accept the boon. Surely, said the No hie Lord, this state of things, requires the interfe res. of the Legislature. Eva the Honourable Gen diem (Mr. !dating) muse. is his candid moments, 4 ** injestiois dist # slooo to the farmer—he must feel that the manufacturer of the soil has as good a right to protection as any other whatsoever. For sus one could say, that the time would not again return when England, forced into the contest. would not want those resources within herself, of which she would be deprived, if by following the advice of those on the opposite side, you would deny to the farmer that solid and permanent security which alone would enable him to preserve those resources within this country, which experience has already shewn is so necessary for the prosperity of the Empire. He should, under all circumstances, vote for the Resolu. tions of the Right Hon. Gentleman—at the sawed time he was by no means cert.in that the maximum of 80s. proposed by him, was sufficient to give that protection to the agriculturist for which he contended. But if it was not fund efficacious, he trusted the Go. vereinent would again come for ward, in that manly and praiseworthy manner they had done upon this ' propose to the Hottal,some other , at - , would 41161 fwersawie protection, to dm vonewier of the soil. scluded by trusting that, however on the subject, they would ever how. nearly conmeted it wa wish of Ireland. was in favor's of the Resolutions. they Crould . protect the agriculture ithout operating to the injury of the interest. They were about to estab. which corn could not be abort though it might frequently be be. He lamented the feeling which had doors; thought it a wise mean* scarcity, to permit corn to be bond that it might be brought did not wish a higher price to demanded by the necessity of the of the contemplated change, as iment for a large portion of the pa, country. NF - ;PORT contended, the principles of opinion that the agriculture of iired no protection from the law, an Utopian world. Without pro. impossible our Corn Growers could •Ition with those of other countries oppressed by a similar weight of tag. forth the bad policy of making Qua:. Fraoce, and put it to the Core. have been the situation of this :ulturists of Ireland had not come when she could not, even at 4 the supply from a foreign country t— the statement of his Honourable ig), he asserted, that in England did live on his estate. while in contrary, it was proverbially common pf hod not to de so. It saltht la Jas only done by great proprietors of land, when exiled from Court. He had been sorry to hear his Honourable Friend say, he believed there was a majority in the House resolved to press this measure in its present state. This was not the lan guage they ought to hold, to teach the people-to look up to the House of Commons as a place where all measures would be dispassionately discussed, and where justice would be done. In no case o fight they to inflame the prejudices of the people, nor bend to them in the exercise of their duty. 'roe manufac ' tilting interest was protected by the Legislature, and he wished to know why the landed interest ought not also to he protected ? Of the popul iiiou of the United Kingdom, from eight to nine millions were supported by agriculture. Ireland desei ved that her agriculture should be protected, as she had supplied England with corn when it could not he procured elsewhere. In the years 1804, 5, end 6, the corn exported from Ireland to this country amounted to 975,000 quarters. In the years 1808, 9, and 10, it amounted to 1,800,000 quarters, being nearly double the quantity in the lapse of a single year. In 1812. IS, and 14. the export had increased to 2,170.000 quarters. He knew it would be said that Ireland sufficiently benefited by this exportation to Great Britain. The benefit. however, had been reeipincal. Precisely in the proportion of the demaill made by Great Britain upon Ireland for Corn, been the demand made by Ireland upo.l _rear Blitain for Woollen Manufactures. In the three peliod, which he had mentioned, the export of woollens troll' Great Britain to Ireland from 2,100,000 to 2,300,ier0, and lastly, to 3,790,000 yards. It might be supposed, that *increase in the Irish demand for British manufactures, had arisen from an increase in the British demand for Irish manufactures ; but the fact was, that during the very period to which he had alluded. the demand for Irish linens on the part of Great Britain bad sensibly fallen off. Considering that it was an essential object to the manufacturer as well as to the agriculturist, that we should be kept independent of the caprice or hostility of any other country, considering that the interests of the manu facturer, and of the agriculturists, were inseparably connected; considering that the interests of Great Britain and Ireland were inseparably connected ; looking at all these objects and interests, he thoup,ht that it the manufacturer were called upon to make some sacrifice, which he contended he was not, he was found, as a good citizen, cheerfully to mak e i t . Mr. FRANKLIN LEWIS declared, that after all the attention which he had been able to bestow on the subject, it appeared to him not only expedient but absolutely necessary to afford some protection to the • agriculture of the country from the impending ruin ; although he knew, that on this subject, his sentiments diff e red from those of some individuals fir whose judgment he entertained the greatest respect. Much misrepresentation had taken place in the course of the discussion as to the price of corn in France. By au. thentic documents, which had been laid before the meeting on this subject out of doors, it appeared that the price of wheat at Paris was 58s. the quarter; and that, although in soars of the provinces, the price was 365. and Ws. the quarter, yet that the average price ........, _ Ai .' rose to sects the proposed regulation would come forward sad Mtn, .at they were 107 He was ' happy to ay the Aim- occasion , and proper Presented Il i him sera their wig*, diet aflutherptogrees might be c* in q leofeepaddit 'easement which wo this odosinhororsen-ef entibefsadoei doubt, nosolthemsding wit* wee sa* •• . I :led& by oty prourctiee "Il,.The Trial hOluff to the coutruy, that the Bill seightbe reed in a rob*. alkralstas contained in this saltunalous The Noble Lord cons to Noble and Loused Committee to an anobjectionabiae. libelO . f . : ' the House legislated , a short bat pertimat Earl- ST AN HOPE spoke shortly in explanation. < !A L _ . • CORN LAWS. . bear in their minds l • that as the OW* After which the question was pet, and the •Bill Sin.LlAlifi CURTIS peemeeed 'a Petition the dearest interests 1 si, head net antieipage read g second time, with only the d iss enting egoism of negbiebester, in Essex. which was a gist corn Mr. FINLAY wa *Specially as it was the last mentioned Peer. . grogillacounty, signed by pm& of 5,900 per- from a conviction tb and desire of the .pro- The Bill was then committed for Tuesday nest, and. ionitdremy of whom were foringes and landholder:, of the country, withc as calculated, that the the Lords ordered to be summoned on the occasion. sigamirties proposed alteration all ihe Com Laws.— manufacturing inters should be extended to The Earl orfiFIA.FTESBURY presmied a Pati n to lie matte table. .. . : lish a system under or the object certainly, tion from the Lord Mayor, Aldermen, and Caesuras Tit Liken thus want into a Calemittee on the 80‘the quarter, dm was entertained in the C o u nc il of the City - of London, against any akin- Corelsool low that price. He of difference may exist tion in the Corn Laws; which -was ordered to lie en MobiItALTER BURSILLL supported the Re- been excited out of d iof establishing it. The the table.—Adjourned. seledip before the Coulter& It had been said to guard against a ; had been long ester- ' HOUSE OF COMMONS. the Ilillmers would be able to. sell their corn at a warehoused under h nefits were felt ; and he Mr. LOCICNART, from the Stamp Oases is = sue in coalegasace of the Property Tax forth when wanted ; any change to be made &kW an Kellam of the nnitaoor,_ __ o f . Cnirrf. in Wall off, bit to his knowledge the farmers be fi xed than was d lance as that polecat's' latwai,_.,_"9,l4 the 14w Www. ......,,,... 11111,a ;: wla taatit Pethua ti ta m the ent t a allw a . had the karat paid that taa out of their losses, case, and approved ne gradually, and in a p acketa ZiZ - G a c e i i; e l 4 l. si s ^lr e m beroras r i nsaug h - Q and ' but of their profits. He denied that the furnishing employ mi ChM, for whose benefit gray! to Ile ea the table. aogteawas only coveted by the land- pulation of the count e•admitted with sooptet .A Person from ilia Meg ebbs Chief Siemer/ enrthind.tit lor He halta te d d the honour of presenting a peti- Sir JOHN NEW] at be much disenesion tined a R et ard et. the °unlade °. f . ralela w ho bad l a paw 'ion Sissies, signed only by landholder,. Tbe of those who were of mitten ; aid the siagle . lu These Papers were severally ordered to be printed. SOW submitted to the Committee, he strongly the country requires House, be took to be • Seveist °Podslins wee prsommod 'ohm the minim; Cein in was Waling for the protection of the agri- were only fit for an bc *fort to introduce Laws, which were read and ordered to lie on the Ishii. - cakillaf the conatry. tection it was impo at which this Bill. Pres Ministers with respect to a sew anaugemeat made by * Mr. 'MAY wished t ° haw what were t h e h ataa th alse LdkIJOCELYN stated, thathe was one of those enter into competitio pm on those simnel/ hr c z ettin * *kat & w en of p ar g uasst , w i th m o m to w as wbEt ' seldom addressee-the House ; be would not who mere not oppres give a second readiall to laths and elsewhere. by ptivateskips. . ' - by ohm into a detail upon the different adore. He set forth en jowly indeed the Mr. L ING roN stated, the arraitgasamit ilbdad to was with this question, Nora) following selves dependent on * tar pet intended to be inemedietelr brae** k _befee....W. A _hell... A ....a" this, , Ciestieeses who moved the amendment, mitten what must eternalised doubts ea to °lam Pne°l4°lal on the aubiect bad ' 1 —"'"'"""! w - 7 - 77 . 'dial swage of statement which he produced country if the agricu 'foraged measure. Se- Mr. TP.WATNE brought In aas to waiadanwierrose tAi . ' is a speech. in his Mind, mere aka. In bier assistance, wh ay to its salutary mita- Laws, eras read a ant, sad ordered ua Wiest* smond . . .. • the public understandin than any quarter, obtain ast .01.......‘"eaFixitimisthib practice Mandteiteme 1 • amu ac • ~ . a i l i t . -be sm . heard delivered in the H ouse . . He In opposition to thl • r...-- .— — .., Upset uf which was ordered , sa ba imeiwal teesorrear. • • %SI! Lord) bad the honour of' presenting a Friend (Mr. Baring, cent or litigation wawa . The Soak Leas Bait wps MS t segued thws..and co -, • - ' ' iwthe House, signed by above 500 of .the the agriculterisc di i question, and certain lige WOOMINIR. , , . • • agricukurists of the France, on the contr Ikt 11111b6111144 " 4 y e n Efe ir. R , -... ~ . . . . move " Y the venture to say, no petition More fully proving the fact be said this wa seam* would heat- March, be would move for leave to brbe in a Bin so alter and conseirsence& _. amend the Acu of the 13th and lath of Charles 11. for the better present inefficacy of the Sore Laws ever was pre. of land, when exiled