Star. — London, England, 1828-06-07 00:00:00

I of the Tog. reform in all Select Vestries. It was mosrabsurd that such bodies should he Auibbri . ged, without el responsi.: leility, to raise and disburse m sney as they 014asell.— Even admitting that no case at all had been Made out: tt,e principle was sit . !)id that it could not be counte: nincedin that House. The object of the Bill was not to establish an open. Vestry, btu merely to elect one tbird of the body every year, on the fairest of all modes, by ballot. Colonel BAU.LIE said that the allegations of the Petition in favour of this Bill were not made out before the Committee. The debt incurred, was trifling coin pad with their . income, and the rates, on an average of ten years, were less'than in any other parish. They wou ld be suit further reduced in the course of time. :The only complaint against the Vestry was that it was • a select one. it has been so for 60 years, without giving occasion to any complaint. . Mr. LITTLETON said, the right of voting was con ! .fined by the Bill to those who paid 2.51. rates. As act.. error seemed to prevail ore this point, it was important that it should be removed. Mr. HUME said it was preposterous that such a body should be exempt from responsibility. Within the last' 20 years they raised not less than 1,848N01. besided, 227,0001. debt. It was originally agreed that the pre: sent Church should be built for 19,8101. A cupola watt erected, which was afterwards pulled down, and th repairs cost 75,0001. The vestry built at an expense 27,0001. a place to hold their meetings in. It was quite a palace. The additions made to the workhouse cost ai vast sum of money, and the building was not at all adapted to such a purp3se. The Honourable Membet,i atter stating some Wither instances ot miseuenekedsent.: said, he trusted the House of Cutnimons would nut per snit a body of men, without any sort of responsibility ,' 'thus to tax their fellowe subjects at pleasure. Dr. PHILLIMOREoppbted the Bull, on the ground', that the principle of it was to introduce popular elec . - tion every Year, and all thecOafusion attendant on it. Sir T. BARING said, there was no objection to re- . commit the Bill, and make the qualification 501. or, even 1001. This would effectually prevent anything like popular election. MABERLY said, the parish had no remedy ; against this self-elected body, but some Bill of this' kind. He did not attend 'the Committee, because hb l thought it unnecessary to go into the eVidence, being opposed to' the principle of such a Vestry in a large and .wealthy parish. Sir F. BURDETT said the principle of the Bill bad been adopted in the populous p:-.rish of raddington, ansf gave rise to no . confusion, but, on the contrail, to the, greatest unanimity. Here there was a large property' at stake, and it was most absurd that a power should, exist of disposing of it without any responsibility'. Xl* House of Commons would sink itself very low in public estimation if it allowed a system of this kind to go on, which, if not one of extortion, was at least' one Of .exclusion. The House then divided, when share appeared— For the Amendment For the Original Motion Majority against the Bill DOLL seventa. LITTLETON said he hadfive Petitions to present sgainit the practice of bull baiting ; but be thought it extremely doubtful, whether the practice should be prevented by positive enactnit;nt, while the equally cruel sports of the rich were protected by guise item The .Petitions, which were front parishes in Steroid:hire, were brought up and laid on the table. . Mr. W.SMITH thought a law on the subject would have the effected prodscing a greet improvement in the practice and opinfogs, of those by whom bun hailing was now considered an amusement. Sir .1 AMES MACINTOSH presented a similar Petition from mother parish in Stafford. He considered games of chance and the sports of the field the two relics if barbarity that infected civi bed life, and which would cetteioty be removed by the progress it kno wledge ; but he did not compare the sports of the field to the hominy of bull-baiting, which excited a murderess feeling in those byythomit was practised. - IOS SS • &JOHN NEWPORT said, by the firmness et the Mayor at the city he represented, the practice of bull baiting had pit ea and to there ; and he was confident, by equal firmness on the pan of Magistrates generally. the prt.ctioe eovld be entirely suppressed. Mr. BEN ETT was coofident that, by the ptogress of dvilisatien sod edueatim, bull baiting would be put an end to without any positive enactment. Mr. C. RLLIS. pretested a Fetid= from Newcastle•opon- Tyee, its favour of Small Note ciseubtioa. . ltr. PEEL presented a copy of the Commission of Inquiry into the law of Real Property, and of the Ceimodaaion of Inquiry into the course of an scrim is the Courts of CAIIIMUID . eviaer mseneve. • Sir HENRY ,PARMELL preseifted a Petjtios from a Steam Padet Company, between Liverpool and Dublin, complaining that dough they had offered to wry the malls without any charge, the Post.edice had built packets st.an expense . of 470,900, and bad sobered into competition with die' Periticeiers, in carrying passes ifets, by which they were greatly injured. Mr. LESLIE FOSTER said, that not only was the 70,000 L bid est ea the pieties a total loss to the public, but there was an smut-loss of 10,0001. Government was in this way carrying on a trade of ruin against a company of individual& The Poet Office had refused the accommodation of vessels of one hundred and diti hone pow er , and bad established *earls it Holyhead of but eighty Mire power. The Poet Office bad their platardi in Dublin and Liverpool, offering to carry passengtrs for 1.55.. each, which was well kaolin to be much lees than the cost. , He hoped the system would be pot an end to. Mr. BERRIES said, when he had a seat at the Tteasory, great *notion had been paid to this subject. He could only now say, that the principal Officer of the Post Office had always shown the greatest desire to facilitate the conveyance between England and Ire bad, and hoped the House would not receive a false impress on of kisdnrseter. Mr. VESEY FITZGERALD hoped the presentation of the Petition would be of public advantage by an improvement of the num. Mr. 11013IMSON was confident the petitioners would give any enmity that could be required for the regular toeviryance of the 31.4, and be hoped Government would withdraw its opposition. Mr. DAWSObi said there was no public officer whose conduct gave mote perfect satudaction than that of the Secretary of the Post.offiee • but the most minute inquiry should be made into the bets stated on the subject. Mr. HUN& said he was not surprised the Right Honourable Centime's should defend the Secretary of the Post Office, but he b+4l more occasion Jo defend himself. All this waste of public limey had been going at without the ijoule knowing any tbtog of it. till it wai brought before theni by a private petition. He thought Government should always contract for the conveyance of the mail, %ether by. packets or by coaches. Sir IL PARM gu t then morel] (of certain Rentrns connected with th e toot Office katablament between Liverpool and Dub _ _ btr.• Al AUSH ALL presented a Petition from Leeds against the Bare.Trode. ;The Hon. Member also presented a Petition from a parish in Bradford against the burning of Bindoo Widows. .. 1, . „Ai. pulaji4Wof,WE presented a Peti t ion from Saltash szainsi . Catholic eitiims. thi - C A NCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER moved for a Berm* of die. Quitter of Sovereigns and Half-sovereigns coined fluet,t,lie‘year,ASgt to the ye t is ISP. Atte: , t a t tenf,vsurds from. Mr. Batten, lir. Daysproar, Sir I. W. limmi, and Mr. HUNK, the lieturn was ordered. ler:loßlNStilif nioeed for a Atturn of cumin Actions in h. Coins of Newfoundland, Labrador, &c. during a given period. =Brill:reds .• . . . - ..Lord NUdfiNT postponed the second reading of the Cities and lishou4lu Regulation Bill uotil.Fsdnestay next. 'OlO 1 MT?LI. is)/ •Tbe CUA.bCELWit.oI the .EXcHEQUER.. moved the Order of the Day for the House resolviog itseit into a Coounittel of toPPIY. Ott the quenjon that the 0010. -- 40,1farft th? Mr DA V F . :N I 'OIIS ir;islidd en know 4il r tfatrAAt trio ;Ole teatlemia (( the Chaucellur at Ate girficritierjwliet:i lh to TCA:MCIt the tiobiecia nk Mortotiribli Member erritoed that the tobacco consumed in Ireland MU alaitist all haunt e d. , 111 ).c 61 „ft.'5.41.14 3 4v.i. the:RAVAgFopTclibte 45 t-iW, Wial . Oplellt : Wspacta anwr itglit rt. a truest dime existed inure to intention Of redo uties. A c s t is in an.wee to a question from Mr. Post*, The CH A NCELLOR of the EXCIIEQUER said. that le was not his intention+ , Mnie the votes reritive to Irish Education, urban new liritetary for Ireland wis appointed. • .Mr. SPRING RICE, thought that a rote a 100,000/ or 200,0001. !night be greened, provided the matter of debate was left 'open for future discussion. Mr. BA NKES said the Chancellor of the Exchequer was an swerable fot the appropriation of all the votes. After a few words from Mr.Vmar Forsomiaso, Sir J. Newroal, and Mr. DAwSON, the House resolved itself into a Committee of Supply, Sir A. Gamer in the Chair. Mr. DAWSON said that the sum he had to move for amounted to 519,2651. on account of public works, &c. during the present year. This grant was increased in 41,2644 over and above the grant of last year, in consequence of the expenses of repairing and altering Windsor Castle, and the extra expense at the British Mu seum. In the. ensuing year it was proposed that 7,0091. should be voted towards completing the library for the use of Members of the House of Commons. • The first grant of 20,0001. on account of the expense of public buildings, was then put. 'Mr. SPRING RICE thought that the library for the House of Commons should be completed at once. He wished to see a. small vote taken on account—a sum of 5001. er 1,4001. to begin with. Mr. BANtES and Mr. Bawus severally said a few words, after which, Mr. HUME suggested that the records now lodged in the wooden box in Westminster Hall, should be removed to some of the'bOrieh proof rooms in the Tower—(a laugh) in lieu of building a new place for their preservation. The Hon. Member then ob served. that the Manager of the Library of that House had only 1001. a year, and he submitted, although he was no friend to enlarge the,expenies of the country, that this individual, Mr. Spitler, should have his salary increased. The SPEAti EH. bore testiaion to the merits of the individual alluded to, and to a desise that a further reniuueration should lee' 'granted to bra. • Mr. DA WSON was ot a similar opinion. ' Sir M.W. RIDLEY thought that Mr. Spitler should -receive ad . ditional assistance, as it was almombeyond the strength of human \iitewer to goshr'oush the laboor that individual endured. The CHANCELLOR, Of the EXCHEQUER agreed in the , 'propriety of a further redinnerattein to the. librarian. Mr. Serfet.tty PEEL. said that as the records alluded to were of. . . :the most vital importance to the history and literature of the come.' try, they abpull be p:liettLin a place of proper secotity. With re-, ipect. to SRuded to (Mr. Spieler), he, Mr. Secrtary Peel; thoiss i iitthat aprciper scutuneratiou should be provided for hitn s ii soli thi't , at once, thinsgt that. in addition to an increase of salary. 'assistance shonld ba alrorded to Mr. Spiller. AtEIitCROM : ET said as óe public records of the country] • were of the idea essential importance to the country and to the! ' history of the world in pinta. he hoped that they would forth $ with tie placed in a situation of security. . • Itti• M l AOlgilir• Mr. W. Sweat, and Mr. SPIUNCI Rica, severally • said a few words, after which— Mr. 14/.;MR asked what espease had been heurred by the baildiag up and polling down of certain parts of Buckingham Palace, and who-was rerforesible for tins proceeding ? The Minis ter of the then day was trusted, and this was another proof of the , respOirsibßitr of a slltiister—(A Laugh). • Mr. BA NI B$ was then about to read-An ektract.from the Re , port upon Public Buildings, when a conversation upon the point of order arose between Mr. HiIInLILS, Sir R. COLIIIIGN; and Mr. Mt:Les, and it was decided that the extract should not be read.... The Resolution was dice ag reed to. A grant of 7,0001 . was then agreed to, for the purpose of carrying on'the wor k s in Port Patrick ;as also a grant of 8,0001. for carry ing on the works of . Donagleadee Harbour ; as also a sum of , 911,0001, for the works of the Harbour of King George IV. at Khsgatowu. ußinsa Xvbsini. Mr. DAWSON, in proposing a grant of .C 43,600 to the British Museum, begged to account for the amount being larger this year than the last. The library his Majesty placed at the disposal of rarliatnent in 1823, required a number of officers to attend to it, whose salaries, with the expense of binding, &c. amounted to £4,100. :Ile salaries and other expenses had, during the last five years, been paid out of the grant made for the building, which was, not immediately wanted. Now, however, it became necessary to pay the building bill, and it was for this the money was wanted.— The-grant woad also be augn,entcd this year by an additional sum for building, hat which would be the last. Mr. HUME Wished to know whether the tibramt Museur could tint attend to the new library, or whether ii - w ifasbd be necessary to keep op two establishments? Mr. BANKES replied, that so large an addition or Bilishitio quired an additional number of Librarians. Mr. BRIGHT Mid, that the roocr. appropriated to tllsti liew library was the most splendid thing of the kind be had ever and did Milane to the country. He was glad to see at the Mtisdtini two or three large rooms set apart for persons inclined to read, — When be was diem last he Saw a large number of persona, dr both sexes, engaged in the quietest and Most interesting manner priiiible. The *Om was then agreed to. A grant of E 4 000 was their proposed for building the offices, • of the Privy Council. Mr. HOME asked if this um was to complete the building ? The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER replied that it was. Sir M.W..RIDLEY said Be had reason to know that a most enortuouseapenee had been incurred by the fornitureof that office. He wished to know if Measures bad been taken to prevent a system tinder which that had taken place froth being pursued farther? Mr. BANKES said that the subject bad come under the con sideration of the ComMittee of Ptibfic Works, and measures had beets taken to stop the extravagance Which was going on. The vote was then agreed to. Te tote next proposed was the sum of 180,0001. to defray the expenses of repairing. Windsor Castle in the year 1828. Mr. HUME wished to know what progress had' been made in the wake , and when they were likely to be completed? In the days of our prosperity, there Was a Godsedd of 500,0001. which it was then stated would be sufficient for the purposes of these repairs. Now they had additional estimates, which, brought the amount to 644,5001. and he wished to know if it was expected that this sum would defray the whole expense? If not, it was proper that they should have a satisfactory and conclusive estimate. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that the Honourable Member was right in stating that the first estimate was no higher than 500,0091. During the progress of the 'works, however, it was dis- Covered that in order to catry into effect what was the express wish of Parliament, and what was necessary to the honour of the country, namely, the mating a suisable residence fur the Sovereign, the sum bf 641,5001. Would be required. In addition to this, he thought it but fair to o . e House and the country to state his belief that a farther sum, of 50.0001. would be necessary, making the whole 700.0001. Tnis large increise upon the.original estimate was owing to the decayed state In which the timbers of the building were found, and which could not be known at the time when the esti mate was made. This greatly enhanced the expense; as well as the unexpected difficulty of securing foun dation tot some parts of the repairs. He was convinced that this was a case where, although the expense was large, the result would prole that the money had beta well employed, and would.be therefore most satisfac cozy.. It had not only provided a most convenient and a truly regal Palace for the Monarch, but one which wasjustly the piide of the cisitiltiy; arid lintst excite the adititratiop 01 all fdreignefs who saw it. To any one who (toasted the truth ot . Vihat he stated, 'he iciald Only; d es i r e them to repair to the spot s and he was sure their dosbts would be. temoved. Sir M. W. RIDLEY said,.that the increased - 4f 4th* which' would be required hid'beencorrectliiti44l; yet he couldlissure the Coniiiittee that no stone had been touched with a stew of making any alterations iribich had not be en contemplated hi the otiknot plait. The tuiriteis thioughatt the building had b- if 'oiiiiil iu a state which rendered it a Matter of iiiiir its thpt they could Rave stood so long. In one room, where the IC4inittee hid heal but a iiiitnight befi4e, the ceiling rail in a iivi ciiiioHiO, idie . bot for Ai e4ipioiaiilag illiiiii4t of 4iathiit . to" fOtie illiii: prop . it lip, it' vials spoßt4ia iiiitifid*Blo of die norm 6+4 glii build- in :emit 1814 clitti4, 441:fo l. ' Wii!i iti;j . k; ih. fi n _ 4 niTol4,*nd iiiithei'etikobe bad bee, u . sCuried Ai's% 'eta: *etji iiidk iitia tieeh teri trei4yllittlr — 4,1 by taiiii oioloki iiielj itfitto,.. iveo la dm' iiiii . labia% froth tdilttiii Plan.. it friabiatirtesitifid ciiiiteir 1 .. !dation to call for am fns tlirr thah Mit beets tinned by the Chanc e llo r of the Exclieiliter lisethit Mewl, c'nvinced in his own mind that 41 enure tisneor wittet, i he could not say box distant it psfght be. to . fulltbiAl " 1 " : penditure must be required to make Windsor Castle; what, for the honour of the conntq, it ought, to be. Mr. F. LEWIS lamented the neglect sikti 'whieb' so venerable a fabric as Windsor Castle had been long treated. He was quite sure that any one who had ex amined that building, and the works which had been carried on, would wonder how so much had been done: for the money that had been laid out. He thought it ought to be stated at once to the country that the moneys now voted could not put NVindsor Castle in the stare it ought to be in. The repairs which had been effected were confined to the north front; whereas the whole of the western part required thorough repair ;and the ter race ought to be carried round, and all the buildings which had encroached upon that side of the Castle to be removed. He thought they should not be doing their duty to themselves and to the country, if the) abandoned the work which they had begun. They were bound, certainly, to carry it on according to thi' circumstances of the country, relaxing in times 01 pressure, and extending their exertions in years of ease; but never abandoning a work of such real importance to the character of the country and the dignity of the Monarch: He was sure that there Was no one in the country who would say, or could think that money was unreasonably or unnecessarily expended upon such an object. Mr. HUME tine to protest against the doctrine pat forward by theßight Hon. Gentleman. During the last fins years the expensa of. Wilding and rer'aiiing pa laces would not be Old DV 1;200,0001. and when the Right Hon. Gentleman said that no one would Wound to object to such an application of the public money,he must, have forgotten that there were millions in the country who could scarcely find bread. But if this ex., .pense must be iaturred, he Wishedto Itobyi why the other' useless palaces were not made to produce what they conk! to defray it? There was Hamptoe Court, which wa, only used to lodge certain officers, without pro diming a farthing. He thought that and every other e,tablishmeut belonging to the Crown ought to be made to supply what they could to Wards this large expend', u: e. With regard to the ftirnitine and decorations of Wind-' sor Castle ? he thought them too like the frippery which tied formerly made the Kings of France the talk and tidicule of the world. At that time, England was con; tented with plain Windsor Castle, but now everything Must be made to meet the notions of splendour enter. tanned by the Eight Hon.GentletWan end others. Even our soldiers were covered with gold lace. He under stood that some of the chairs in Windsor Castle cost 1001. a piece —(Cries of " No, no."), He should be glad to find that he was wrong, but there must be great extravagance When there was a charge of 167,0001. for furniture. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said, that his wish was to see the public works which had been undertaken carried to completion; but after that, to be extremely cautious how hey embarked upon new ones— ( Dear.)—With regard to Windsor Castle, he thought no one could doubt tlits necessity of keeping up that venerable establishment, the soleMn splendoir and solid magnificence of which rendered it, of all the buildings be ever saw, the one least open to the cha racter of frippery which had been applied to it by the Hon. Member for Aberdeen. The Hon.Merinber should recollect that Windsor wt the only Palace the people of this country had everboik foe the King, and it was (therefore 'necessary that that sbotild be at least pre tend. With respect Co the expense for furnitune, a great deal had become necessary, because scarcely any had been 'left in the Castle by his late Majesty, who, during the long period of war, in which the country bad to support great expellees; abstained from adding to them any thing which could be avoided. This was most creditable to his Majesty's character, and it was not less so to that of his sticeessorAhat the necessary re pairs and fitting up were not undertaken until a gleasi of prosperity broke upon the country. Mr. FIUME said, he bad never objected to a suitable residence being built tor the King, but to the , constant waste of money without any Palace being built - at all. With regard to what the Right Honourable Gentleman had said respecting his late Majesty, he only wished that the 'Thant goiereign partook more of the feelings of his father, and was less disposed to run into extra vagance.He was sure that such habits would be more consistent with English feeling. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER would put it to the House whether the observations which fell from him was properly open to the remark which the Hon. Gent. had made upon it. His observation was, that the late Sovereign having abstained even almost from necessary expenses, the country ought to bear that in reinembrance, when called upon to supply the ex penies•partly occasioned by it. With regard to the Hon. Gent.'s other observation, he was sure that the hearts of the people of this country would always induce them to entertain jester opinions of the conduct of their Sovereign than those expressed by the Hon. Member. The Hon. Gentleman, before he suffered himself to make such declarations, should remeinbet that his Majesty had not been wanting in acts of generous liberality towards his people; and if they were not bound in return to maintain the due dignity of his station, it was at least due that they should speak of him with tespect. TO night they had been discussingthesobje# of one of his Majesty's munificent gifts io the people, the Royal Li btary, and this was the very occasion which the Hon. Member bad selected to charge that Illnstrious Person age,with habits of eXtrOftSe reprehensible extravagance. Mr. Secretary PEEL rose to enter his decided pro- test against the named the 88itereigir being introduced in that House as it had been bitbe Ben. Gentleman. If it was necessary to make * Oise of extravagance, let it be made againit the confidential and responsible advisers of his Majesty. The course taken by the Honourable Gentlernan, was contrary to the doctrine and the practice of the Constitution. His Majesty could incur no expense except spoil the advice of his Ministers, who Were entirety and folly responsible to dal House 'arid t b the measures which recommendedthey to &Veilign. It, therefore, the Honourable Member haeany -charge to make, ' it was against the Ministers that that .charge ought to be preferred, and not by an introduction of his Majesty's name. The wise and 'Proper prin ciples adopted that :Hood fat Coloring perfect free ' dom in its dilates .lild:ite.tiailed Hon. M embers from Aiding to his Majesty's opinions and desires in support of their propositions ; and similar delicacy, if nothing ' else, would dictate a similar reserve with respect to 'ti c introdoctiort of his Majesty's name, when it was to be %plied* of pry censure. But it, upon any occasion, Elie Hon. b ember for Aberdeen should have thought it necessary or justifiable to introduce his Majesty's name is the-snanner he had done, he (Mr. Peel}could not have conceived ;V it t: a-e at t t h h e at t i o i occasion si h o a n d w a o r u e l i d er h en a c v e e t b o ee th n e W fi h n e e n ar th tu e AN. IMr rbittirks bath hir. R. Columns; 13sr Del . W. RIDLEY said, be most 'lnter hit plotekt . . ' aBeltatllbrlleseeplatoo4o We . froninfrales •atfilgoerifdtAileallsesi: • .WhenAkie Hon. Member iaid that Buckingham Palace was s disgrace to thorn who arrperihtext i 6 blilWing . and sild'sOngs; n the around bf its being in bad taste, be (gii M. W E.:silty) must say, that in matters of taare he was not isklitrett ro give the preference to ihste4nnodistble M-ivnber aver the Commissioners for tlit'bellding of that Palace. Lie same hind of censurVitsd beep 'blown upon Regent-- At vet' while it was buildiiig ; but now that that street was fini t heLt, he would defy any lion. Member to pnnt out a moue magnificent range of buildings in all Europe then it pfisititett and yet Oat street was' supei islierOed by the same Cosnatissi.finers as had to do with Bock inghant Palace. Much had been said with• respeet to the situation of that Palace. He only uttered the simple truth when he sisid,iil - was Isis Majesty's anxious solicitude - not tti 'diadem in'the slightest deg ee with the comfbtt and convenience of the public; that had prevented the new palace hs'ving been buil! on a more desirable site. It had been'fiiopnsed to build .a palace , n Kensington GardenF,tist it Was fotind impossible to do so, without considerablrredutiog the space desisted to the tecreation of the public, and i the soßgeition was therefore abandoned. Again.' it had been. pr, osed to build a prlate on the edge of the Green Park, but the same objection, together with others,,applie .1; and ulti- Mately the site on which Bockiesebain Palate stood was chosen, not as being uhnbjectionabliybut as being he best than cnnl , t he ptctnted—(Hear ) Colonel DA VIES said, that awe who erected I ach a building the new Palace, w, re fitted only tp disgrace the Metropolis u architect.. Mr. HUME said, that if be knew any thing of the diirosition of his Majesty, hls Majesty was the last man who would feel offended at what he bed said. He held the Ministers, and tlbt his Majesty, responsible for the expense interred, and be had put it to the Right .Hon. Gentleman whether it was fit, in times like the present, to expend immense sums upon Palates, when. those.sums must he levied through the sufferings of the people. He had certainly said that he wa,s sorry the taste of his Majesty was not of that chaste, •Ituple, old English style, which appeared to him to be the most worthy of admiration. The lettuce, therefore, of the Right Hon. Secretary, was uncalled for and unnecessary. What he (Mr. H.) had said, be had said in the most delicate manner partible. Atter a few words from Mr. Secretary Palm, the vote was agreed to. The text vote proposed was, the sum of 7,0001. to defray the e. pence of works for the accommodation of both Halal of Parliament. In reply to an observation from Mr. Rice, Mr. DA WSO . /st stated that the original estimate.haskbeen ex ceeded, in totlfeipftnei: of the . foundaiiins of the old buildings basing been found to be much worse than had been anticipated ; The vote was not for any buildings not already known to thellouse. The vote was then agreed to. Mr. DAWSON moved that 2,5001. be granted in aid of the ex pense of buildiug Churches in the West Indies . Mr. HUME objected to the vote. They were always giving to the Church, and never got any thing from it. Mr. W. SMITH approved of Bishops being appointed to the West Indies. It was an arrangement calculated to give that one to society which it was so desirable it should receive.. The vote was then agreed to. • On its being moved that £19,413 20s. be granted to defrpy the expense of the CdinmisiiOners for the Holyhead Road and 'Hotath Harbour, • • ' •• Mr. A. DAWSON objected to the vont owlikb bad been pre viously agreed . to ;. and contended 'that whoa .1111.411. h Member asked fora giant in favour of Ireland, he was told that there was do money. Mr. W. DAWSON said he could biltdiy yuppose the Hon. Member had attended to the proccedinireVen'of that night, for if he had, he would have !mind that the, granta'in favour .of Iretand aniotinted to no less than 55,0001.—(Hear t and a laugh.) Mr. HUME complained of a clutge of 1,5851. fur fees Acts of Parlitml.nt. He ciettPiainod also of the rate rgch v/hich amounted to upwards of I,oool.4ince 1826. Mr. V. FITXGERA LD explained that the law charges:are In. curred under the direction of the Commissioners and not of Govern ment. With respect to the paymem of Parliaieent.‘rt fees, the mode was a circuitous one, but tbc country kilt tibtbing by it. Alta a few remarks from Sir H. Palmier., MT.' SLANZTy and the Committals of the &Cameras. the vote was agreed to. To complete the Works of Denature Harbour fur the year 1828, 4,7521. Mr. DAWSON moved that the sum of 15,0001. be granted for defraying Abe expense of the Establishment •of the rententiary House at Milbank. Mr. HUME wsilied to ask the Right Honourable Secretary for the Home Department whether there was any intention of giving up that estabhilunert ? He thought it high time that sothe,thiug decisive should be done. Mr. Secretary PEEL said It was impossible to deny that the whole expense upon the Penitentiary bad been very great; and certainly if that expense was to becommenced de Novo, the Mane might hesitate to enter upon it ; but the ititnpletett and be W. not prepared to say that it hid so far failed in its dbiket as to tender it desirable to abandon it. He bad heard' it sAltpered that some propnsitiou had been ntadefor conierting • it into a public prison. Nu offer had been made to him upon the naiject ; and even If one were made he should very much doubt the, propriety of agreeing to it, at all events, if the public were not to be fully remunerated_( Hear). Mr. MABERLY hoped that in future some considerabl e remit.- dos would be made in the expenses tor the establiihment: lle should be lees discontented if it was tinder the personal inspection of the Right lion. Secretary. • s Sir J. WHOTTESLEY said that the question as to whether the Penitentiary should be abandoned or not, was of too much inn= portance to be discussed incidentally. He therefore recommended those who thought reduction of the grant ought to be effected, to apply themselves to that point. He vas of opinion that the gran might be reduced, and therefore he hoped some Hon. ilembee would take the sense of the House upon it. The vote was then agreed to. Mr. DAWSON Moved. that 16,1821. be granted to the Society for the Propagation of the Gospel In Foreign Parts. It was for the first payment of the Missionaries of the Church of England. Mr. HUME strongly objected to the vote. He contended that as the great majority of the inhabitants of the Canada. were , man Catholics, Church of Englaild Missionaries were worse than useless, and concluded by moving a s an Asnendineiet, that the sum of 8,0001. should be inserted instead of 16.1 8=f. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that in Nova Scotia there was a clear majority who belonged to the Church of England. Sir R. INGLIS supported the grant. Sir T. ACLAND said that if the Honourable Member for Aber deen succeeded in his Amendment, all the hli,sionaries of the Church of England in Canada would be curtailed of one halt of their income for the present year. To such a measure he was de cidedly opposed. After a few remarks front Mr. Mawr, LABOUCHERE was convinced that it was doing an in jury to the Church of England to perseVere in sending out Church. of England Missionaries to Lower Canada. Mr. HOBHOUSE wished to know from the Right Honourable, the Chancellor of the Exchequer, whether • if a divition * e re n o t' then pressed he would give any pledge that there should be a re diction of the giant in mitre ? The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said, he could not give the assurance required. Mr. S. WORTLEY considered - the suns proposed for the Clergy of Ireland of large amount; and observed, that he could not con sent to vote the money, unless- he was convinced that it would'he applied to proper objects. air. HUME wished the vote postponed for a fortnight, in order to give the Committee of Finance the power of entertaining the subject. The Honourable Member accordingly moved to report plogress. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said, the delay proposed by the Hon. Member would be inconvenient. The Committee then divided— For reporting progress Against it . 6 • • • 28 • • • • • • 107 Majority . . • • ---79 The original amendment proposed by Mr. Hums was then put and negatived.—The Estimate was agreed to. On the question that £572,499 be granted to defray the strpenss of the Commissariat Depactment, Mr. HUhIE said, there was an unnecessary number of •Officers employed is the Commissariat. He wished to know how 47 acerb were required fur that service at an expense to the country orspor. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said, the public . accounts required that number of Commissariat Officers. .Mr. DAWSON' said, the number of those Officers had bee% reduced as low as possible. The Officers of the Commissariat were the best checks-the country could have upon public accounts. Th 4 Ledmate was then v ote d. • Thelma of selllo,ooowas voted for the Estraordisny Rapetatoi of the Army. The CHAIRMAN of the cenobites, then opened min, and obtained leave to sit again on Monday. ".~~