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• PARLIAMENTARY PROCEEDINGS. HOUSE OP LORDS, MARCH 9. This morning the Loan Dtrwrr sat for the furtherance of Ap. gab , which couch:mil Croat= fichsk.tiUbaltvot ' l rTim, e7Reirrlc m- frani threofftte Seeley% was Armen with a!!'.so in costs; and the tCpellaat was•heard in person. -In another, cause. on the same side, the same appellant declined to plod . arid the judgntent of the C ourt of *Won was affirmed with £5O coats. . ' s ‘ • • • • Judgment in tlie - appeal " Prater v. Maitland," also from the Court of • Sessioni was likewise affirmed. With 4100 costs to the ap pellant =At five o'clock tie nosy Coseocer.t.oft entered the House. Mr. Haim:man, Lcal .Itivreece,. Mr. lit.a,cmanaii, Mr. S. Woter isr, and others, brought. lip the 'South American Postage Bill, and three Ptieate BUD, which were afterwards reads first time. Mt. MAsoiA , from the East India House, presented at the Bar the Monthly Returns of Salaries, Pensions, and Gratuities, granted by the Court.. . . The Bishop of LONDON presented a Petition from the Inha bitants of the Parish of Mary-la-benne, praying theft . : Lordships to enact some' measure for the suppression of the cruel sport of Bear baiting.—Read, and laid upon the table of the House. • • The Marquis of LA NS DOWN presented three Petitions from Devises, Caine, and Chippenham ; the inhabitants of which prayed for the abolition of slavery in the. West Indies, and offered to sub scribe sums towards it.—Read, and laid upon she table. Lord HOLLAND postponed his remarlo on the Austrian Loan Convention Bill till Thursday next. Upon the motion of the Earl of Snortrssuity, the Revenue Commissionets' Inquiry Bill passed through a Committee, and was reported without amendments. The Annual Indemnity and the Irish Church Rates Bills were respectively read a second time, The Earl of LIVERPOOL ! (thp Order of tit k Day, uron which their Lordships bad been summoned , being read) said that be had risen, in consequence of the notice he had ;Om to move fur a Select Committee to be appointed from among their Lordships to inquire into the nature ind duties of Clerk of Parliament. Iu doing this, he did nut intend to trouble their Lordships with any particu hr remarks on the subject, as be apprehended there existed a ge neral understanding that the inquiry would be gone Into; both with , regard to the business at the table of the House, and olio with re gard to the business before Committees, is order to arcertainothe properest mode of regulating the duties which were assigned.. Of this be was sure, that Noble Lords would go not .only most .dis k passionately but impartially into the proposed inquiry, and with the desire of doing strict justice to all the partiessoncerned in it. He would, however, not detain their Lordships, but , conclude with moving for the appointment of a Select Committee of their Lord.' ships to inquire into the Office of Clerk of Parliament, who should report their opinion to the House. Earl GROSVENOR was happy to find that great savings were likely to accrue to the Public from the deaths 'of Gentlemen (fee whom, however, he had great respect) who at present held official situations. Such had already been the case in the instance of the' Deputy Itemembrancer of the Exchequer; and he therefore did hope, that a smilar regulation would be adopted in the case now brought before the Ho:4e. Ile had pressed, from t;aste to time] ler inquiry as to other offices; and among these that of Lord Jus t . tics General of Scotland, which the Noble Earl opposite had pro. nosed should not be filled up. • The Earl of LIVERPOOL here reminded their Lordshipe,' that, the Law for Abolition of Offices gave it in discretion to the Lords COmmisiioners of his Majesty's Treasury, on a vacancy, to regulate alt beanies the office so devolving to their care. With re spect to the office of . Ihmembraneer. of the Exchequer, he-had to repeat what he formerly had eiplained to the 'House, that the Treasury Commissioners had appointed a Gentleman to execute ttie duties of it, who dischargeit the Same without.any. salary what ever. It remained for him only to restate his motion far, the op poiniment of a Committee of Inquiry as to One partteutu* office. The question was accordingly put, when the Noble Earl's mo dem was egreo to. ' Among the Peers nominated were, the Earl of Suortrzseav, the Earl of ,Wssenoestsve, thq,,Ber) of Latmoues LK the Earl of 14- vlmeaor, the Earl oT Hanuenver, the Marquis of LIIINSWAVii, Lord Reesse.tix, Lord Ilicusr, fits . &c. • A POtLiAili-ieftitincilos. • . • Loid - CALTHORPE - laid; that; lie could' not suffer this tilipaitingtr t 6 .o.capis him 'without' just Making, some reinarks on the manner in which their 'Lordships had.deterinined io hear Appeals at the Bar. The Inca lore was*ceniured much; ft 'Was condemned whereso ever it Was spoken - of ; nor had he heard One argi . ament. in defence of it, exceptingstheargnment of ifi expedi ency. The proceeding was altogether firost antirinie and the first anomaly was,theis4iing:of a CnminisSion. to authorise legal proceedings in that House during the personal absence of the proper.dtiilge of, the "highest, tribunal in the State, whilst an inferioEdudge,st in that, House when the highest authority (fln Lord chadeellory was absent from it. in urging this, however,.he did:not intend to depreciate the talents of the Noble andLeatned ,Lord (Gifford) who had succeeded to so ftatteriiig an eminence in his professional life ; but, iildeed, lie did not think that be.at all depreciated the qualifications of that Noble and Learned Lord when be said that he con-, sidered the latter to be Only at present on his way to that fUlness of information and that plenitude of expe-, rience found in the Noble and Learned Lord upon the 'Woolsack. But, he would ask, who were the judicial' colleagues of the new Noble and Learned Lord, whose province it had become to preside in that HoUse pending, the absence of the Noble and Learned Lord at present in 'his official place? Were those colleagues Law Lords, of were they assisted by other Lords learned in the law? They were not lawyers in general, if ever ; nor did they attend there every day during one given cause, but, on the contrary, one attended diet e duting one specific day, and another 'attended the 'next. lie was aware, in 'aking thii observation, that Noble Lords, having heard part or any cause, might, though riot called to attend, sit daily, if they pleased; but then, when it was consideted how difficult it generally *was to obtain the attendance of 'sixty Peers in one day, it could hardly be supposed that one individual Lord would devote his en the-days'together to voluntary attendance in the House. Be War persuaded that the late arrangements with ie 'Ord to Appeals had tended to lower the judicial autllo racy of the Hornet and ibis topic was the more deserving 'of COnsiderationovbewit was manifest in what manner day,after day, for the mere purpose of atljoutoing to .the succeeding one. Besides, their Lordships masc . :se; looking to the latter weeks of the last . Session, that. the House, so far from disposing of lositteit, -had been compelled by its necessary remiss *it*. to treat,the,ollier Monte of Parliament with appa. refit disrespect. And to what was this species of anomaly to'tie traced ? • It-was owing to the want of power. in 'theirLordships . to Originate Bills, which, though not . 302ortey Bills, Wete - .construed to trench upon the .Seges of the other House.' When he said this- he 'tended no manner of disrespect to the other House of partianieof, whose salutary authority was, he conceived; saheh infringed by the precipitancy with which their .1, 02 fish ips were obli g ed, at the latter part of each : Ses. -ties; to pass or reject-Bills coming up from the other Mouse of Parliament, when their -Lordships had otikspi , FOrtnnitr for deciding on - the Merits of such Bills; _while ..possessing.the power to rijeit thew, It Was perfectli 4tvielent that their Lordships were thus deprived-.of : the treat advantages; in a representative -country, of taiking .oleic full and adequate shate in 'the public business-4 an, employment of the noblest laud to any Citizen Of such a State, and most beneficial to the community at large. - He really thought•this subject bf great import. ante, .and he Cargestly hoped that it might engage the deep attentinkof (he ,14pcme. _ The Earl of LIVERPOOL felt' it impossible entirely to pass over In silence that part of the Noble Lord's ob servation which related to the arrangements the House • . ; bad 4o for the better ' of its jaked4 f4oo‘. t Was not, as Noble-beftsta'arobad must re collOt, tit after a lobs and most ddiberate considera= tiou:of the;sUbjeot, and upon the RePitit of* Commio tee- most impartially met, that their Lordships h adopted the present plan, from a feeling that they should not do justice to the subjects of the United King dom, and particularly those of Scotland, if something by way of remedy were not done. The inquiry was in the first instance referred to a Cornmitteecompod of persons of all parties, thohgh in this affair quite divested of party, and it was not till after a•very long investiga- ; -lion that the remedial plan had been proposed. The , object to be effected was justice to a very large propor tion of the people of the• United Kingdom, and if that were atcomplished for the time, it was enough ; for their Lordships would recollect that a Commission was in fiill'aitivity, whose object was to inquire into the Administration of Justice in Scotland, and report the result to the House. The persons who assisted in the inquiry were individuals of character and intelligence, whose investigation, he hoped, would shortly be com pleted in a manner not unsatisfactory to the House, when it would remain for their Lordships to consider what future steps were proper to be taken. But the question was, in the meantime, how their Lordships were to be enabled to get rid of the arrear of Appeals that pressed so heavily on them ? Of all the plans prop posed for this purpose, the present appeared to the Se lect Committee the most likely one; and from the little •experionce their Lordships had of it (for their experience vas short),. it worked well, by doing clear justice with as little delay in-theeperation as answered the true ends Of it., Now as to the attendance of their Lordships in that House, to Which the Noble Lord adverted, it was indisputable that whetherthree or thirty Peers were pre sent there, the decision of their Lordships had equal ; weight, and. was conclusive.- By one of the regulations of their Lordships, three Peers were competent to form a House, while in the other Houseof Parliament not -1 1 less than forty Members were authorised to proceed to the bUsiness of the day; but it was not necessary there, after the*forty Met bers had assembled, that -the same, number should remain in attendance for the objects of; '-legislation. With regard to the primary scope of the, Noble Loid, he hoped, as their Lordships had adopted I some plan for cleating off the arrear lof cases, so they would - consent to give it a fair trial; and, under this im pression, he could* not come to the same conclusion as the Noble Lord.—Lord CALTHORPE explained. Lord HOLLAND did not ri,e in order to ptolong 'the discus'sion, but after what had, fallen from t'.:e Noble Earl opposite he wished to address a very tew words to 'the House. He concurred hi much of the eulogy which the Noble Earl opposite paid their Lordships' Committee on this subject, but he happened not to have assisted at it. When, however, he came fully to consider the plan proposed to their 'Lordships .by the Committee, and since adopted by the House, he-had no manner of hesi tation in saying that it was the most unparliamentaryl proceeding, 'and went more' to - affect the character of that Howse for honour and justice, than any one meas; sure he remembered in the course of his political life. It'-was the very first instance, he bAieved, in which their Lordships were considered as nothing, or worse than - nothing, laid open in all their nakedness of autho rity to the public gaze, and where they coo!essed they I had been compelled to call every man by name to at-. tend a duty that was common to all. lie (Lord Hof land) -would affirm, that in a deliberative assembly this House. such a measure, such an escaping from true responsibility, was pregnant with nothing less than the estructroo of - the Constitution. And what Were the .reasons by which the Measure was attempted to be de fended? Why the argument of its advocates_ was simply ii not, indeed a good plan, but we defy you' to-find:a better. 7 His opinion was,-ditinctly, that What seer the: plan: intended were, it .ought to have beeo adopted legislativelf, and uot merely in pursuance of aßesolution of the House. 'Far better had it been to have passed a Bill entitling some Committee to sit for hearing of: Appears, than to have adopted a system which sapped the foundation of .the constitution of that 'House: It was usual he knew for their Lordships to consult the opinion, in such -ca-es; of those Learned Lords present in-the House, and generally to defer to their authority in deciding on them ; but, its Peers of Parliament, he must' declare that he acknowledged no distinction of weight between Lords upon the Woolsack and Lords upon the Benches. He did not intend: to say, however, that in . such an arrangement with respect to Appeals, they wail to do injustice to any party,:b.ut it ombOldened the Public to say so. True it was, certainly? that cases were decided by the House ; Gut how ? Oat man was compelled to attend the hoisting of a case on Monday, while another than was compelled to attend the sante appeal on the Tuesday ; and in stating these things, he spoke only as one Member of that House, in, which he had spent the greater part of his life, and whose honour he was jealous for. Ile hoped the House would return to its wholesome mode of administering justice ; hut, if otherwise, let them alter the thing openly, have no juggle of judicature at all, or permit three per: sons to hear what one only was to decide. ' The Earl ofHARROWIIY, in reply to the last Nohle 'Lord, urged the necessity of the present plan, upon the' ground of the great accumulation of the AppeAsto the' House, and AS a temporary expedient to dispose of them. Short as the experience of the measure was, not less than nineteen causes had already been disposed of, which proved that the object was likely to be attained. But the number of sitting Peers was objected to, While every oae acquainted:with Westminster knew that three constituted a House at any time. The only fair clues ; .. kAton was--tvliettfer it . , 41113 • proper to resort to . means whereby to eopipela regplar and sufficient attendance of Peors.ou appellatodayat7 It the . duty of Noble ILords to attend if praetioable, -on every ,day and yet !circumstances had shewn the necessity of enforcing the atfoildatiee of any three among them. Was not the jiocateedings,thesanse,.excepting as to compulsion, as ;before thepresent plan? .There was absolotely- nothing new now. • Hewould entreat theit Lordships to give a fair - trial. and he trusted it would be given, to the pre sent plan, _ . The Earl of - DARNLEY thought that notice ought tohave been taken of that pint of the Noble ,Baton's speech hear' him, which related to the legislativefunc .tionsiAilie Howe:, He. had again and again been fore most. in entreating.their Lord:hips-to •clo away this sig -14544; ' 'He •hoped the House was not destined for Orr io "nett and adjourn till business was not dis posed of at all. ~): • .• - . ; • • . • - The Earl otIYARNLEY, in moving far papers, took casion to 'obstrve-thaoe wars surprised this; the Noble Earl-oppesist.ll44.o44ieep,cofrre,ctly ipfornioNlArupi the first, respecting the operation of, bounties in Ireland. • • The Earl of LIVERPOOL .wonld, not object to the • •r-t - • m motion but 14444 ;cue* 4Atincet 'toubtil ilid.k.rstooj. in -me assent :WOE Mot rot no otteravtriere desired than binielf4e estgthlishment is( ; manufatatores in Ireland, which he believed would prot e a great . . public benefit': to , that portion of-the 'United Kingdom. With respect to all adventitious- aids; he looked for the investiture of capital-in that country to,' natirraL means. It were. better if trade were really in its infancy in -that country,- to-.adopt • all remedies gra dually, rather than to bolster up expectation. The more we got•rid of . unnatural 'restraints, the more, he was persuaded the affairs of the country, as respected com merce, would flourish. The Earl of LIMERICK hoped•thathis Majesty's Go aesoment world . reconsider the measure as it affected the trade of Ireland. When such benefits had been - in other ways conferred on Ireland by. England af late,- it was proper to maturely weigh the effect of distinct acts. The time, he trusted, was not very far distant when Ire land, by .the irdlue of English 'capital; woad become not a burtben,-but an anziliary to England. . 'rue Marquis of DOWNSHIRE explained the• mis taken predilection of the people of Ireland for bounties, and remarked, that those who objected to their repeal at first now solicited it. All that was required on the part of the people or Ireland, was to be convinced that the Eng lish had their good substantially at heart. He trusted that a better day was dawning on Ireland ; and he be lieved with:his Noble Friend (Limerick) that she would ultimately prove a source of prOsperity to England. The more the attention of bis .Majesty's Government was directed to Ireland, the greater would be the good to both countries. The Marquis of LANSDOWN explained.—Adj. till to-morrow HOUSE OF COMMONS. • Mr. Sheriff Woirrax se aßpeared at the bar,and presented a Pe tition frOm the Lord Mayor and Common Council of the City of LonclOri, praying' for the Improvement of Fleet-market.—Referred to a I!.lect Committee, and to report to the House. Sir W. 1 1 :C011.11Y presented a Petition from Spilsby, praying for the 'Abolition - of Slavery in the British Colonies., • ' MARTIN presented a Petition from, the Artisans of the Borough of Tewkebbuty, against the Combination Acts. Mi. I•lN I)SA Y presented a Petition from the Royal Burgh of Dundee, and anothi e r from the Royal Burgh of Cupar, Fife,praying for a general .inquiry into the Salmon fishery Acts.—Ordered to lie on the table and to he'printed. Mr. C. DON DAS presented a Petition from the Licensed Vic tpallei s of the Borough of Newburgh, against the Excise Licenses. Mr. BY NG ptescuted a similar Petition from the Licensed Vic tuallers of Brantford.—Licitb ordered to be printed.. • Sir H. Pkit N ELI, presented a Petition front the Merchants and ethers in Uublin, complaining of the existing regulations relative td the Holyhead Steam-packeis.—Ordercd to lie on-the table.. Mr. BY G presented 'a Petition from certain Inhabitants of Holborn and St. George the Martyr, against the Window Tax.— Ordered to be printed. Mr..IAM KS presented a Petition from a.Town in Lancashire against the Duty on Probates of Wills.—Ordefed to lie on the table. On the Motion of Colonel WA Leine, a new Writ was ordered for the Borough of Lynn,. in the room of the late Marquis of Ttchfield. Sir J. MACKINTOSH postponed his Motion respecting our re lations with the new South American States, which stood fur the 18th inst. to Friday the 26th inst. • Petitions against Negro Slavery were 'presented from the Inha bitants of Marlborough, from the Inhabitants of hlarston, and two other parishes in the County Of Nouingham.—Ordered to be printed. Mr. SYK ES moved for returns of the Amount of an Duties paid on Blubber and Train Oil, for one year, ending the Ist of January Sir U. BURGH presented a Petition from the Freemasons of Carlow, praying that they should I.;e pLiced on a footing with their brethren . of Eogland.—Ordered te. be printed. Mr. J. salrrit presented a Petition from the Inhabitant) of Chelsea, in f ivourpf the Dill for preventing Cruelty to Animals.. Mr. DENMA N presented a Petition7rom the Inhabitents of the rails!' of Lambeth. agaiitst the Duty cat Coal 4. • , Mr. A 13EItC1t0i4 BY presented a Prtition_frose cert7in Mer chants, In favour of the principle oft Free . Trade., which they were glad to perceive Ministers wertrabotat.to atIOPt butthe. Petitioners expressed themselves sorryttoperceive that part °Eche saving to be effected by various measures-in:progress. were to he applied to, the building of Churches,-.-ThesePetitions wer'e ordcreilto•be printed. Mr. MO.NCK prptented a Petition from the Silk blimpfacturers of thi Borough of .lteading. against the repeal of the Stllt• Sir W. I N GILBY moved far an account of the Number of Li censes granted to Hawkers. and Pedlars annually for the last seven years.—Ordered. - • • • • . • 1 Lord A. El .$1 MT I.TO N. presented a Petition freesehe Noblemen, Gentlemen, Justices pf the •Pesee, and ,F,reebotdop , the county ,of Forfar, .againststbe Tay Fisheries 1.3111. . . : After a few words from Mr. C. GIULtiT anti*lKFueuson, the Petition was ordered to be printed. • • . Mr. I-I UME Kresented similar Petitions from e. oer ih v t and 31agistrates of 11lontroie, and from the Deacon and. Incorporated Tradesmen of the Royal Burgh of Dundee.—These Petitions were' °stirred to be printed. • • • IRISH ScnooLs. -~ , Mr. GRATTAN presented a Petition, signed by the Primate, Catholic Bishops, and, Catholic inhabitants of • Dublin, complaining of the misippt opriation . of certain Nails for the education of Catholic-children. The Hon. Member stated that the ,com plaints of the Petitioners were well worthy of the serious attention of the (louse. They were excluded, he said, from all direction or con , traul of the Societies and institutions within their dio , cese ; and the schools for the education of Cath-ac-chil . dren were ionduCted 'by those who Were totally opposed to them in 'religious opinions. In some Societies, whose funds exceeded half a million, and to •which the Catho lics mainly contributed, they had no share oribterest, and they were totally excluded from all participation in the funds of the Society for the Suppression of Vice. He eat nestly wishedthat the Petition should be referred to the Committee on Education, or if this were objected to, be hoped the subject would be introduced in some other shape before the House. Mr. GOULDURN expressed hi dissent from the prayer of the Petition, the object of which. was tosreate a separate establishment for the Catholic poor of Ire land. It was not many years since Parliament sanc tioned a recommendation for the eitablishment of schools in which people of different persuasions should be educated, and thereby to promote ultimate union. The object of the honourable Gentleman was opposed to this principle of conciliation, for he wished to edu cate those of different persuasions in different semina-. ries—( Hear from Mr. Grattan).—This certainly was the object of the Petition. As to the other topics it embraced, he had no doubt that when they were exa mined, they would be found to be without foundation. The only restriction imposed by Government in the schools was the reading of the Scriptures ; but this was done without note or comment. He believed that no conscientious Roman Catholic would say tkat this was an improper course. It could not be pretended that' the Roman Catholics were backward in availink them selves of the schools. If it were, the number in the re turns laid before the House, and the. condition of the.coontxy before and after their establishment would prove the contrary. In the proyince of Munster, the 'most Catholic district of Ireland, the increase of the numbers in the schools was almost incredible. He thought it proper to, throw out these observations at present; but he would reserve.his detailed objections till the subject came before the House in another shape. . Sir, J. NEWPORT complained of the delay which Ind.taken, place on the part. of the Irish Government, in not furnishing the papers respecting the schools; for which he bad obtained an order last Session ) and whiab was repeated at the commencement of the present. N• 1 man was more averse than he was from the secaratioi establishments for educating the people of Ireland ; b it ht objected to the want of controul and direction by the Catholics in the management of these institq. tions. He was anxious that a system of conciliciim should•Be triedp and baltad no apprehension of those of one persuaion making proselytes of those of the (Tier. Mr. DAWSON said, that the Petitioners had as sumed a title which did not•hekmg to-them ; -they h a d no corporate character; and he could,not acknovi:edge any. Bishops of Ireland without •an Act of Parii.iment, He•agreed with•his Right Honourable Friend th it system of education in Ireland was now in the lti g li es; state. .of improvement ; and to chew the .advantal!et which had resulted from its adoption, he might mr . tionethat in 1817 there Were only eight schools, in -1824 there were 1122. The greatest tender nest per, 'vailed in these establishments tosvaro.ls the religious suacions of the auendants. The English versifin of th‘! • Seriptutes only. was •read ; and all Catechisms which laid down• particular doctrines were carefully exclude. He thought_ that. there were no establishments more worthy the protection of the tountry than these school,. ...Mr. J. SMITH supported the Petition.. • Mr. PLUNKETT agreed with the Honourable Gen. tleman (Mr:6rattan) 'that the complaints , of •the Peti tioners were entitled to the most respectful attention. lie differed_ from his . Honottrahle Friend iMr. tase n? as to their assumption of a corp Orate character. The Petition professed to come from the “ Roman Cat Bishops of Ireland;" and they were Bishops to all in tents and purposes. • They had-as good -right to style themselves Bishops as those of the Protestant Church, for they had a right to give ordination, sod to do all episcopal acts. lie agreed so far with these Ileveiend Persons upon the importance of education, and he thought that none could be safely or successfully con ducted which had not religion for its basii. But ho ff entirely hostile to a. separate system of instructi on to those of rival persuasions, for he thought that ' couldhe more pernicious. 'These points, however, rnigLc be mote fully discussed at aii,tlfer time. In the time he might say, that he should be happy to ei.e the subject his fullest consideration when the pope: period arrived. Mr. ABERCROM BY regretted that the subject 'nat ter of the Petition had come before the House in its pre sent form. lie was among those who thought that good ,had been done by these schools, where the Lible was read.without note or Comment; but he did not with to see thedisenesion mired op•with. any party feeling. Mr. V. FITZGERALD was favourable to thep: esent *stem of education. ' A refetence to the increase in tke :dumber of schools whichhad• grown up 'within a sliest period satisfactorily illustrated its advantages. In the 'year 1817 there were in the Catholic Counties al' Coil: 'and Limerick .only three schools 'founded by the So. tiety ;in the year 1823 there were 1808. He could . as. Mire the House, that not only there was no partiality ob served by the Society injuriously towards the C.uhelics, ;but that so convinced were the Catholics thernselies of that fact, that he had within these two days had cem munitations from two Catholic Priests-, who had the tate of parishes in which -noel single• Protestant existed, -so- Hiking - his interference to obtain assistance from the So ciety. for establiihing schools in Those disc icts: ,He ad 'mined that every attempt at proselytising the children of Catholics ought to be-discooraged ; and next referred to a case where two Catholic Gentlemen acknowledged their erroneous 'opi nion • that • the- Society encouraged -prosetytism ''The -Report of .1116 Seeiety on Parochial Schools ie Ireland-spoke kindly against the books pre. vidusly in-use amongst the nliildienof the lower classes, which were of suet' sicdeseiiption that education, which Might. td be a blessihg, became a curse,. by enabling them to read those .infairous publications which ren dered theoi bid stiblects, bad Cht istians, and worse men. The labouri'of - the TrUit Sticiety.had been directed to counteract that tiAd dissensinated within tLe last year.; less than 121,000, snaking -a total of vo lumee-distributed since the formatimeof the Society, of 784,000: ' He admitted that the conduct of the Society ought to be impartial, and thatho book ought to be put into the hands of Catholic children but such as were re cognized by the Catholic Church, and sanctioned by the Catholic Clergy. • Mr. BEECHER defended - the conduct of theCathco lie Bishops in petitioning Parliament, as discretion was littuality of much less importance than truth. • Those ReVerend persons - were therefore right in stating their opinions on the subject of religious instrnction of. their flocks' •.The people of England recognised-the. schools for national instruction, in which-the tenets of the Esta blished Church only were taught.; but• the Catholic Very naturally feared proselytism. from the extension of that system to the schools to which he sent his own children.; he thought them perfectly right, therefore, in seeking for means to establish .schools in which-no such danger to the religions.creed of their-children could be :apprehended.. He admitted that the Society had done good, but it would Nye done much more had it not adopted as-a sine qua - non that in all schools to which they supplied money the Bible without, note or com ment should be read. Against the reading of the Bible without note or comment the Catholic Clergy were not singular in their objection; for one of the most enlight ened Protestant Bishops of the present day (the Bishop of Peterborough) Ineceexpressed his hostility to the prac tice. The Catholic Bishops only held the same opinion. He was convinced that until by a Concordatuns with the Pope, or by some other means, the Catholic Clergy of Ireland could be identified with the Governnient, that country never would be tranquil. Mr. Secretary PEEL regretted the introduction of extraneous topics into the conversation that had taken place. It appeared to him that there were two great principles that ought tobe kept in view in educating the people of Ireland., The first was, that of uniting, by one system of• education, the children of the Catholics - and the Protestants, thus making instruction a bond of union instead of an engine of dissension; the second. that in educating the children of Catholics no attempt should be made to proselytise them—( Cheers ).. Oct those principles had the Kildare-street Society been es" tablished; arid that society must have departed very much indeed from the original intention if it had re- , commended proselytism. It was apprehended that party feelings would be indulged in on that occasion in that: House, but he hoped that the manner in which the seta ject had been there treated would be imitated elsewhere, and that the introduction of other topics and less worthy feelings would be for the future discarded from every discussion that might take Place on the matter. Mr. C. GRANT defended the Society ggainst t!:e charge of wishing to proselytise the Catholic children; .so far from which being the fact, he knew an' original regulation of the society to be departid fidlit by ad= II