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s ~ I- PARIAMENTARr PROCEEDANGS. " HOUSE OF LORDS, JUNE u. Lard Homer moved to difeharge the order of the day for the record reading of the Clergyman's Eligibility Bill; and a new Order WAS made, for the Bill to be read a fecond time on Monday. Mr. Attic w was heard fdr the Appellant, in the Appeal Caufe rialket and the York Buildings Company v. Stuart. After which the farther heariug was adjourned to Monday. A farther hearing on the Appeals, Menzies v. Menzies, Bruce*. Bruce; end Sir John Colquhoun e. the Magiltrates of Dumbarton, was adjourned till to-morrow. Reeve's Divorce Bill was alfo adjourned till to-morrow, Nine Bills were brought up from the Commons, and pretest ed by Mr. Charles Dunclas, Sir Matthew White Ridley, Sir William Elford, Mr. Annelley, the Wavle of Woreciter, and others, and read a lint time. The Greenock Port Bill was adjourned till to-morrow. A Naturalization Bill was read a flrft time. Upon the third reading of the Bill to explain and amend an Aft of the 29th of the prefent King, for explaining and amending the Aft of James I. relative to the tanning of the hides of honks, bulls, &c. for the purpofe of making boots and (hoes, Ste. The Duke of BEDFORD Paid, he was not prepar ed to go much at large ;no a difcuffion of the provifions of the Bill, and therefore he should not refill the third reading. He wi(hed, however, that fomething more effeftual were done on the fubjeft than explaining and arnending from time to time the Aft of James I.' which ought to be repealed altogether, as an Aft extremely op preffive to the fubjeft, and unneceffarily revere, if fully carried into effeft. Even now the claufe relative to the cutting and flafhing of hides, if a butcher's boy, his Grace Paid, by accident in (tripping off the hide of a bullock, cut it, the accident might be made the ft3,bjeft of endlefs litigation ; the infpeftor of hides, who was to receive the penalty, was of cotirfe interefted in having a profecution inftituted, the butcher might be convifted, and then there would be an appeal to the Jullices, and from them to the Plarter-Sef lions, and fa on. A perfon, he raid, had obtained a patent for tanning leather with elm-bark, whereas it was now known that eh and willow bark would tan leather as well. He wilhed therefore that the a& was repealed, and that everyman might ufe what bark he belt approved, and that the patent might be left to (land at common law.—The Bill was read a third time..—Adjourned. • . • . . . 'HOUSE OF COMMONS. .Tia iolli Cappdgis DM was raid a faxed time and eons misted it: A lp= s . ' Nate . awas read a third en oad paled. , Wad Into& Camaktaisaa Elbe Gaspe Ware was iradoad, wed ordered to be takes late further arMoolay. Mr. N. Amy somad area Assam date Podia. • el she Canna Duty as Ssaireas. Wrought Mon sod dieldp twilit* Slimes Oss dot /ad il mss, dialagiting ifs ammo of each year; which ' deed and immediately preftsted, sad ordered to Sets dlit Mr. BA/LOOS 11101411 . 11 . 11 ale Shoos of the _Committee on the Ira Martial Law which was agreed to. The hint Tea Duty MII was rani a Second time, and ordered to be camandeted tasnerialn • The resod reading et the nit inedtion Bill was put off till tainorrow. t . SUPPLY. _ - - - ,s , Y Mr. BRAGGv brought up the Report of the Com. mittea. of Supply. Upon the Refolution being read, for increafing the Salary of the Chairman of the Committees in the. Houfe of Lords, from 15001. to 25001. Mr. Tisaiiiv thought it was attempted in this inflance to take the Houfe by forprife, and to induc therm, almoft before they wereawareof it,toincreafe lb* burdens of the public. The ssool. before paid So the Noble Lord; had been paid out of the Civil LW. It was now pmpofed the Public fhould pay the Turn of 25001. A prefent, therefore, of tsool. was to be made to the Civil Lift, and the whole 35001. wasto be an additional burden on the Public. The CHANCILLOt of the Esc Lula raid, he •• malt obferve, that the propofition'objekted to was for the parpofe of making good to the Civil Lift the furn of ;goo'. paid to Lord Walfingham for his fervices as Chairman to the Committees in the Haute of Lords, during the.year 1799. The fum hitherto paid to that Officer was entirely depen dent ppon the will of his Majefty, but had been regularly paid tsool. per annum. The bufinefs, however, of the Committees in the Houfe of Lords, having within the gait two years enormonfly in ereared, the Noble Lord alluded to was thought fairly entitled to an increafe of emolument. He, therefore, titifted the Houfe would agree to the Refolution. Mr. Gear oppofed the Refolution. He thought the propofed fum was not merited by the fervices performed for it; and that if the Civil Litt was • inadequate to the demand upon it, a Propottion ought to be made to the Hook upon that fubjeft. After tome further ecnwerfation between the Chancellor of the Eschequo., Mr. Grey, Mr. Tierney, Mr. Mire, and Mr. Wilberforce, the Howie divided, for the Refolution 80, Againft it 19. The other Refolutions were agreed to, and a 8411 ordered. Mr. Try lazy. adverted to the fum total of the Expenditure between Great Britain and Ireland, and conceived, that when the latter had paid her fixed proportion of two-feventeenths of the whole amount, there would accrue a Paving to that country of 38 1. t he proportionate fum being fo much lefs tt.Ther former expenditure, which fumof 384,0001.muft becomean additional burden upon Great Britain in confequence of the Union. Mr. CORRY, in anfwer, obferved, that the pro portion of, each country towards the general Ex penditure was fixed according to their refpeetive abdity, and not by the aftual fum which was at that time the amount of the expenditure of each. He denied that any additional burden would *rife to this country in confequence of the Union. Mr. G. Pommes , role to (peak, but the Speaker having obferved, there was no queflion before the Hours, the converfation ended. ADDISON'S DIVORCE ZILE. On the motion for the Speaker's leaving the Chair, to go into a Committee on the above Bill, The 8, 'milli produced a Letter which he read to the Houfe, from Mr. Smith, Solicitor for Mr. Addifon, Rating that he had been ferved with the Order of the Houle, but had no means of com ar.,,licatieg -with M;.Addifon, who was but of the kingdom, and whom he believed to be in idol vent circumftances, without the means of employ inCotmfel or defending himfelf again (! the Bill. trile SOLICITOR GENERAL made fome obferva lions upon the impropriety of proceeding in a mea fure of this nature in. the abfence of the party againft whom it was ditetted, particularly as it was the firft inflance before the Houfe of a Wife fuing to be divorced from her hufband. fore, was no ground , .to refute it now. But the fad was,' that an application had been made to his Hon. Friend by thole unfortunate men, who corn• plained of being calumniated by the Secret Com mittee. 'He (Mr. Grey) was unacquainted with any of thefe men, but he underftood that not one of them had been imprifoned, and that they were ready to challenge the fevered fcrutiny of their, condo& If the Right Hon. Gentleman, who was' the firs Law Officer of the Crown, was really ignorant whether any of theft men were confined, he would alk, could the Houfe truft the execution of the powers of this At to a perfon fo inattentive to his duty ? and if thefe men were really guilty, as the report Rated, and ftiU (Uttered to remain at large, how could the Right Hon. Gentle Man ex cufe himfelf? Mr. LEIGH faid, his Right Hoe. Friend (the Attorney-General) was not bound to have any official knowledge of what number were confined under the tufpention of the Habeas Corpus Aft. But the qneftion before the Houfe had.no relation to that fuhjed—the queftion was, could the Houfe feel Well juftified in refuting indemnity to thofe Minifters and their Agents, who by drawing a line of circumvallation round the Conftitution, fucceeded in faring it, amid the general wrecks had of Conftitutions throughout Europe—had ailed in tun-thence of the Aft for the tufpenfion of the Habeas Corpus, an Ad which was not intended to punifh the open traitor, for he could be reached by the ordinary courfe of the law, but was calcu lated to defeat the machinations of thofe cowardly myflerious traitors, who would urge others to ads of infurredion and rebellion, which they had not the courage or the manhood openly to advocate? Mr. WHITBREAD animadverted on the Werra • motion. tions of the lad Speaker. The Right Hon. Gentle- Sir W. MILNER was for delaying the further man (the Attorney-General) admitted, he faid, difcuffion of fo important a meafure till to-morrow. that he was competent to anfwer the queftion of The following Petitions againk the Bill were his Hon. Friend, he Rated, that itwas a fecret his then prefented:— renfe of public duty would not allow him to dere. By Mr.S hERIDAN,from John Barnes and Thomas lope ; yet his Right Hon. Friend (the Chancellor Humphreys ; by Mr. Ti from J. Young ; of the Exchequer) immediately afterwards de. by Mr. WHITBREAD , from John Maxwell, Wm. dared, there was no objedion to give the informs'. Edwards, Alex. Rogers, John Ox lade, and George tion anted for, but it mud he applied for in anothei Epfworth; by SirFaa ac is BURDETT, from Charles nape and at another. time; that is, after the de- Clay, John Barnard, Jun. Robert Flynn, John bate Shall have gone by upon which that inform- Hafelden, and Richard Socker. tion might be important. He was tempted to Mr. WHITBREAD raid, that from the report of (*at that the information looked for would not the Committee it appeared that the perfons who tend much to fupport the affertion contained in i had been confined under the Sufpenfion of the the report of the Committee. He did not think Habeas Corpus Ad, and had lately been releafed, the Right Hon. Gentleman would be fo fhy to an were the foremoll in promoting (edition and fedi. twee the queftion of his Hon. Friend, if that an.' tious meetings. He therefore begged to be in- (wer would make any thing for his argument.— formed what number of perfons who had been The Committee, he was afraid, took too much on difcharged were again taken up, and are now con- troll. Minifters were culpably negligent, as def fined for treafonablepradices ? cribed by his Hon. Friend, or the Committee were The Coat:m.l.ot of the EXCHEVER faid, he deluded, and if fo, be called on the Houfe not to did not feel himfelf bound to anfwer the Honour- proceed, upon their report, to a meafure of fuch able Gentleman's queftion ; but if he thought pro• magnitude as the prefent. The Late Minifters had per to move for an account of the number of per. ventured upon many aas, and extraordinary powers lons confined under the Sufpenfion of the Habeas had been conferred upon them, which would never Corpus AEI, he fhould have no objeetion to deli- have been dreamed of only for the French' Re vering the account to the Houk. He had, he faid, volution [a cry of hear ! hear !] but the country miftaken the queftion put by another Hon. Gen- was always confoled by the affurance that they tleman, Mr. Grey. had the refponfibility of Minifters as a fecurity Mr. SHERIDAN contended far the neceffity of againft the abufe of thofe powers. But what poflponing the third reading of the Bill until the would become of refponlibility if the meafure be information required by his Hon. Friend was given fore the Houfe was adopted ? It would be a pre. to the Houfe in tome fhape or other; as the Houfe cedent to encourage any future Minifters to do as would then be able to form a judgment of the Re. he pleafed—it would extinguifts the importance of port of the Secret Committee relative to the per- that Houfe—and completely blaft the profpeß fons who Fad petitioned that Houfe. which the friends of Englilli liberty Rill indulged, The CHANCELLOR of the ExcH Kota faid, the of the return of our good old Conftitution. He queftion of the Hon. Gentleman was introduced concluded with an amendment, that in pl a c e of th e at rather a fingular period—after the Report of word " now,' the words "Monday next" fhould the Committee from which it was (aid to ante had be infected. been nearly two months upon the Table, during Lord HAWKESEURT faid, that Gentlemen on which the Hon. Gentleman had betrayed no de- the other fide of the Houfe had uniformly made the fame oppofition they did now to every mea fire to be informed on this fubjeft—had (hewn no anxiety as to the charader or fate of thofe perfons fure that had been adopted fo r th e f a f et y o f t h e country, fence the Ertl introduition of the Ali en for whom he now teemed fo folicitous, until the moment arrived for the final difcuffion of a mea- Ad. Their minds appearecho be differently con fure upon which the information cleared was not ftituted from thofe of all other perfons; for when . there was danger th e y d en i e d its exiftence, and by any means neceltarT. In expreffing the readi they could fee no fecurity a r ifin g f rom t h e means nets which he felt to give every information to the Houle upon this fubjed, be begged that it might that had been taken to ave r t th e d anger . H e certainly ' not be underftood that he was in the lead deg r ee agreed that were it n ot f or t h e F renc h Revolution, the prefent m ea f ure would never have inclined to accede to the doubt which had. been been propofed. His Lordthip th en entere d i nto infinuatod as to the truth of the Report of the Committee. He knew it was a debt due to th e the nature and confeq uences o f t h at R evo l ut i on , Houfe to inform them fully upon this queftion,and contended that it w as a n ev il o f much greater magnitude than thole whi c h b e l onge d to ot h er but would the Hon. Gentleman gravely fay that fisch information was then effential ? If to, why ages. It was not like t h o f e w hi c h h a d b een fup had not the Houfe the advantage of the Hon. preffed by ordinary inean s ; b ut i t was an ev il t h at had been gradually fpreading over m an y p arts et Gentleman's opinion before ! If the Hon. Gen. had by means of a t u lle phildo ,and a. ,tleman fhould pot a di ft ind motion, he Should have fort of fyftematic Ath e ifm, unt il at len ph it broke so objedion to agree to it ; but would not content that the third reading of the important Bill under out in France, und er t h e name o f the French Re. conlideration Should be delayed until that p r o cee d. volution. This Revoluti on was diff erent f rom a ll ing Should take place, and the information fought thole changes that h a d b een b e f ore k nown i n t h e for Should be obtained. world by the name of Revolutions: it canted the deftrudion of every thin g t h at men h a d been taught Mr. SHERIDAN laid, that he was furp r i ze d th e before. It was not effed e d, lik e f ormer c h anges , Right Hon. Gentleman could prefume to tell him by mobs and inf urTc &i ons , b ut h h a d wor k ed i ts that he fhould have come forward on this queftion before. If he had not been prevented by illnefs, way till it came to maturity by a fyllem of fecret organization. Th e fpirit of this revolution fpread he certainly Should. . With refpea to the Report Welt into every countr y in Europe, but particu of the Committee, he mull frankly declare that a lady into Great Britain and Ir e land, where thofe Gonunittee nominated and conftruded by th e light Hon. Gentleman was not entitl e d to h is perfons who had li tt l e to l o f e an d muc h to pa i n h confidence; and the Houle was bound to a ll ow had become its ad vocates . A n H on . G ent l eman on the other fide of t h e H ou f e , had affeded to dif' . the unfortunate men whom that Repo r t f o f evere l y regard any dange r i n t hi s country Reefing from the libelled, an opportunity of vindicating thernt e l ves . Mr. &atm a obferved on the argum en t of t h e Pradices of difatieded perfons, on acco un t o f t h e fall fpeaker, that it was not material, he cont en d e d, fmallnefs of thei r Hum b ert , an d t h e i r want o f pro . to the credit of the Report of the Committee al. Perty. He would with to At, what property woo luded to, whether any of the perkins lat e ly lib e - there in the Rebellio n i n I re l an d ? an d t h ere never rated had been again arreded. They might have was a Rebellion which was fo near being fuccefa efeaped arreft by flight, or Government, through ful ; and it was owing to the unexampled heroifna clemency, might have declined to commit them, of the Iriffi Gentry that it was cruffied fo !bon. in eonfideration of their former imprifo nment , an d Whatever, therefore, might be faid about rank, that they were to be regarded only as the amnia. confequence, and property, the example of Ire ries, or mere inftrunients of perfons of mor e im. land proved that a country might be overturned without the *Mance either of property or names. portance. Milers the Hon. G e ntl eman cou ld prove that one of thefe cafes was not the fad, he The principle of the prefent Bill went upon this no ground to cenfure the Committee. that without fecret information, the de fi gns of Mr. Garr was at a lots to c o n ce i ve w h y t h e thole who were plotting the overtinow ofthe Con /tight Hon. Gentleman Should objed to give the ttitution could not b e conn terthed ; and that by .lohomation defired by his Hon. Friend now, if, as difclofing the (ounces of this information, Govern meat mull foreg o t h e po ffib i li ty o f meeting the Le admitted, it was proper to communicate to the Suite at any other time. and that it could be danger-which threatened it. gsven without danger. The a ll e d ge d neg l e ct o f Dr. Lawasnct toted the Bill. He concei ve d 'his Hoe. Friend to nik for that isforroatioa. bo• that . the Noble' Lord's dcclaration agaista the The SPEAKER obferved, the only regular way in which the Honourable Member could now op pore it, was to move to refcind the Order for ren dering the fervice of the Bill upon Mr. Addifon's Solicitor good fervice. The SOLICITOR GENERAL oppofed any further proceeding on the Bill while Mr. Addifun was ab fent, but made no motion. The Houfe then went into a Committee, Coun fel was heard at the Bar, and witnelres examined, after which the Haute returned, and the Report was ordeted to be received to-morrow. French Revolution. was rather injurious than fa vourable to Lis parpote. Mr. Jolt arrow s laid, there never was a moment when what had been called Jacobinical principles were in greater difcredit than at prelim. Th e ' Rebellion in Ireland did not arife out of Jacobini. cal principles, but partly from relig ious views; and partly from oppre fl ion. He cou ld never endure that it thould be laid, that to Minifters was owing the preferration of our Conftitution. It was owing to the power of the country. and of the Govern ment. All the great Governments of Europe had preferred their power and Conftitution as well as Great Britain, and the weak States only were over. turned. There never was a period fence the begin. nine of the French Revolution when there wasiefs reafon to adopt a meafure like the prefent than now. Mr. Once faid that nothing but ignorance of the real flare of Ireland could make any Gentle man alfert that oppreffion, and not Jacobinic'al principles was the caufe of the rebellion in that country. It was very extraordinary that Gentle men on the other fide were always bringing for ward the fubjea of Ireland into their fpeeches.-- They might indeed have learnt that Ireland was called Erin, and that that word fignified a green and grotty foil ; but there Gentleman were as ig norant of the internal police of Ireland as they were of that of Kamfchatka or Mefopotamia. Mr. O'Hata remarked that Minifters had fared the country, and that Parliament therefore could not refute to fupport them. Mr. Wst. Stara laid, he fhould not have rifen were it not for the lofty and prefumptuous tone in which the Hon. Gentleman who (poke lull but one had delivered himfelf. He teemed to think that all the Gentlemen of Oppofition were well vetted in the Irith language, that they were acquainted with- the etymology of the word Eris, but were totally_ ignorant of Irith politics. The only reafon that Hon. Gentleman had for ufing fuch an after don was, that the Oppofition differed from him on certain points, in which he had been himfelf con. tradieted by his own countrymen. Mr. Ootat fold he was thirty years Member of Parliament, and.during that time no Gentleman had ever before told him that he fpoke in a.lofty and prefumpttiobs tone. He was fent by hisCon flituents from Ireland to this country, where he was a ftranger [Here the Hon. Member was called to order by the Speaker, who obferved, that he was not explaining.] Mr. ELLISON &id, that the Reprefentatives of Ireland mull know more of the Rate of that coon. try than other Gentlemen; and he thought a fair compliment had not been paid them on the (core of their information. [A cry of No INo n. He then entered into a general defence of the Bill. Sir W. Ex rout fpoke &only in favour of the Bill. Mr. MARTIN (of Galway) (poke alto in favour of the meafure. Adverting to the frequent 'amen: cations which he was accullomed to hear at what had bees termed the demife of the Canflitution. he raid, the conchal of certain perfons in that re (pea reminded him of an Irith Funeral, at which great big tears and fobs might be beard and fan among the mourners, Tome of whom were pro bably the murderers of the deceafed The neceffity of the Bills under which she late IGnifters had ailed was .obvious : and baring been the means of faring the Conflitution, he fhould moll cheerfully vote for a full indemni. fication to them for the whole of their proceedings under thofe falutary laws. They had -lifted pre cifely as the Captain of an Indianan would do on an homeward-bound voyage. Although having charge of one of the mot valuable cargoes that the Eaft ever produced, if he found his veffel in danger of being loft, he would sot • fail to throw ow Self of the cargo overboard, foe the purpofe of (ming the who t.—Loud and reiterated burgs of laughter, and a cry of order fucceede4, The amendment of Mr. Wairaatas was then negatived without a clivilion I and on the tuellion for the third reading of the Bill, Mr. Joan-roes Paid, that truer there wail no hope of the further proceedings on the Bill being defirred, he mould move an amendment, namely. that the words gr be difcharged and made void," be left our, for the purpufe of inferting the following, " till after the determination of the prelltnt war." The quellian was put; a nd f o r tome time no Member . offered himfelf to the Speaker's eyeiat htft Mr. SatRIDAN rofe, though it was, be fad, with the grtatet reluftance that he did to at fo late an hour. Confidering. however, the filent manner in which it feemed the difpliation of Gentlemen oa the other fide of the Houle to rejesa this Amend ment, he fhould have thought that he departed from the principles on which he had ever acted ; that he abandoned the cattle for which he had ftruggled fo long, if lie were not to endeavour tU expofe the impropriety of fuch proceedings.. He begged leave firfl to notice a diftinition which bad been attempted to be drawn, viz. between hiem: bers for Ireland, and Members for Great Britain. Hp contidered hinafelf as much a Reprefentitive of the one country as the other, and of the whole as much as of the tow n o f S ta fford, for which he fat. Every Member of the Imperial Parliament reprefented the whole Empire. There wore there. fore no diftinaions to be drawn in the Houle, and no difference to be made between the pretenfions of the different claffes of which it is corapofed.— The Inge Members had an undoubted right to (peak upon Britith affairs, and he hoped they allowed ethers correfponding privileges. An Honour able Gentleman had faid. he hoped the day was at band when (itch meafures would be unneceffary. What ground of hope there was of an end of ao. bitrary Government be was altogether at a lots to conceive. His imagination was too weak to coo jedture what change would render the Britifb na tion worthy of the Brit& Conflitution if they were sow unworthy of it. Could it be laid to them, we will emote you your liberties when we fec loyalty prevail among you. and you are obedient to the laws? Was the loyalty of the nation ever more confpicuous, or its lore of order t " When you difplay patience under your burdens I" Were the burdens of any nation heavier than thoft• of the Brititb nation had been for Inme time pdt ? Yet loaded with Ulm, mad in want often of the need: INDEMNITY BILL The ATTORNEY GENERAL moved the Order of the Day for the third reading of the Habeas Cor pus Indemnity Bill. Mr. JsKYLL Paid he was in hopes the Hon. Gen tleman would not have moved the third reading of fo important a Bill at fo late an hour. • He hoped he would content to poftpone it until to morrow, or any day he might think proper to name, in order to give the petitioners againft the Bill an opportunity of fupporting the allegations contained in their Petition. • Mr. SHERIDAN (poke to the fame effect. The SOLICITOR GENERAL could not fee tuft cient grounds in whas.hacl been Rated by the Ho. nourable Members for contenting to papone the