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o l i o from a fair confederation of the merits of the m otion, by firing it on perfonal grounds. If their l.ordlhips Jefired to put the country in a formidable ;t a r e , becoming its relpedability and confequence, he called upon them to adopt his Noble Friend's Mo tion—Wit were wished to refccie this country from the ignominy of waiting, with trembling anxiety, for the enemy, inßead of manfully advancing to meet him, he conjured their Lordfhips to go into a Com mittee, in order to devife the means of continuing the war in a manner confiffent with our greatnefs and our Rrength, and thus accelerating the termina tion of it, upon terms conducive to our interefts and our honour, in order to promote an approach to that to which, not withßanding nearly three years prepa ration, we had fcarcely appeared to have advanced one Rep. The Earl of WESTMORELAND raw no ground for the extraordinary motion before the Houfe. Not withilanding all the cenfure that had been pronoun. c:d up,n Miniftry, he contended, that they had con i.,ed t. raife an army at the end of the &tend year of the war, equal to, if not exceeding that which the country poffeffed under a Miniflry, the vigour and efficiency of which very few of the Noble Lords on the other fide would attempt to queßion, at the end of the ninth year of the salt war. And he had little doubt that we thould be loon in poffeffion of a much larger force than was ever before witneffed in this country. Lord GRENVILLE raw no change that had taken place in the Rate of the countty within the laft eliven months which rendered the motion before the" Houk lets necelfary now than it was before, when it was fupported by many Noble Lords en the other tile. On the contrary, he thought it was at prefent ten times more net-diary. It was orange that many of the obje&ions which the Noble Lords he alluded to made againtl this motion were precifely draft which the fame Noble Lords fuccefsfully refuted on the former occafinn. But yet he did not mean to charge chore Noble Lords with inconfillency. He bad two doubt that they felt themfelves to be quite conflftent. But, in order to maintain his own con fißency, he felt himfelf bound to fay, that any change that had occurred fince the former motion only fere. ed to jutlify the vote he then gave, and to render infi. .;Neely more neceffary the motion of his Noble Friend. In the oppofition which was given to this motion hs had heard many Itrange arguments and obfervatinns; but there was oneremark which he confeffed he could one hear without attonithment and indignation. The Noble Secretary of State (Lord Hawkelbury) had maintairitd that adequate provision for our military defence, and the fuperintendance of our military power, properly belonged to the Crown, and that, in foe, this Houfe had nothingto do with military mea lures. From what authority, he would afk, could the Noble Lord have derived Inch doctrine t Was it not ahnoß incredible that any man acquainted with the rudiments of a free combustion, or with the rights of free affembly, and particularly with the privileges of a Britilli Houle of Parliament, could queßion for a moment the exigence and exercife of a rht the molt important that belonged to that Hou le?: Was net the Noble Lord aware that a (angle foldier could stet be raifed without the content of that Houfe, and that, therefore in inveßigating military meafures their Lordships were only coofidering their own ass ? Atter reprobating the fingtilar doetrine of the Noble Z.tird, which he declared he was affirmed to hear in se &kills Honk of Lords, and which he was much fprprifed that any Knitter &mild venture to utter, Otproceeded to animadvert on the Additional Force Bill. The Noble Earl who (poke lafl alked whether it would be jolt to repeal this Ad at prefent, and tabs to relegfe from the penalties thole who had de dined to carry it intoexecution, and Itated that thole penalties would only fall upon the guilty? but he begged to tet the Noble Eail right. The perfons Whom the Alt appointed with incompetent means to mite the men were the Overfeers and Parifh Officers, shier whom the periling had no controul ,• but yet, in cafe of the default of thole Officers and the men not being raifed t the penalties prefcribed by the A& would be levied on the paralies at large. Therefore the Noble Earl was in error, in Rating, that the penal des would fail on the guilty. It was moslcery, how ever, to talk of levying thefe penalties, whatever de nunciations the Noble Secretary of State might iffue. Englifh Court of Law would attempt to enforce penalties againft men who are not defaulters. If in deed fuch penalties should be exat9ed, the country would be one fcene of uproar and jolt complaint.— The Noble Secretary of State (Lord Pdalgrave) had obferved; that this motion was an indired attack :ping Milliners, and thatthe real °hied it pointed at was their removal. But need he call it to the re eidleltion of his Noble Friend that it was a motion Pietifely the fame as that brought before the Nook lag year ; and be could allure the Honfe with confidence for himfelf and his Nab& Friends War him, that both on the lan and on the prefent occaGon their exertions had a higher and a broader digto—ohe Catty of their country. It would be, how. d.ef t to blot out the functions of Parliament altoge ther to forbid men from offering their advice to Go *Maim, and hating their fcntiments upon public ineefores, at the talc of incurring the imputation of defiling to remove and become fubltitutes of Mini- Pits. He did not like to hear unworthy motives af figned to any fee of men; and he fineerely hoped that bolt! who were polfetled or should poi :refs the confi detteceof the country, would be attitated by motives fh unwonhy as theft he had alluded to. tithe Hoak would content to go into the Committee ptopfed, Millers would then have a full opportunity of de fending their Ofeafures, and perhaps, upon explana tion, of vindicating their condo& The attestant which had been brought forward to-night, for inftince, of the amount of our forte. might be made in the Mitten; but he Mull obferve, that if they could adduce uo Rronget evidence than that of their effici any he &odd defpair of their vindication. Previous to that Itatemeot, he noticed that the Noble Lord (Mutterer') Who made it, Rated the intention of Mi stier' bp fubmit to the Houk in the courfc of the Set h:mu apr tout for tome material alterations in the Additional For* A&, Which would go, as the Noble Lord pro:sired, to remedy the Weds in that ad which were complained don a former debate, and in the eourfe of this night. Now, it appeared that force of thefe defies were very arenunufly defended on a former night and yet Minifters were already be come willing ao gwe them up, although they would not adopt as assidatat from de Oppofition ftda of the Tiottfe.—BA to retvri to the Oatmeal is ivhi:h it was attempted to wrap up our fituation in •enera ble numbers, the Noble Lord forcibly pointed out the abfurdity of judging of the arength of this country, from a companion of its population and its military force, and the relations of both to the military na- tions of the Continent. The men who made loch comparifons were, in his judgment, alone capable of reducing this country to a level with thofe military nations. Whenever the day fhould come that we were to eitimate our ftrength upon the fcale of population, inftead, as heretofjre, of reckoning upon the energy of our people, &riling out of the freedom of our Con• flitution, then would the charaaer of our country be funk indeed. The Houfe and the public could not but remem ber, that previous to the introduaion of this meafure at all, it had been raid that the danger of the country was fo imminent, that not years, months, or weeks, hat even days were to be counted. And, if fuck were our fituation, had the Bill produced an immedi ate and great effed ? Had it conv e rt e d our fituation of pent into feenrity? What had been the etre& of the Bill in augmenting our military force ; What mutt be thought of the whole feheme, when the matter of difpute was whether aOOO men, or goo was the num ber of men it had railed ? Was this a meafure then, which could place us feeure from the dangers with which we were threatened, or enable us tb at with vi gour and energy ? His Lordfbip then proceeded to examine the nate of our force, from which he (hewed that onr army had not in the lan year even maintain. ed itfclf. That there was on the whole amount of re gala: force a falling off of Roo men in the amount for left year. As to the amount of Britilh infantry, a defcription of forecof themoft effential importance, with a view to any naive and offenfive operations, he (hewed that all we had of regular troops was 78,0c0 men at home and abroad ; and if it was conlidered, that in the Eaft Indies fevere *Rive fervice, fine the lag return of cafualties, had taken place, a peni tential diforder had raged at Gibraltar, and a Cc 'ere mortality in the Wen Indies, a number of at leall foot thoufand would be to be fttpplied. The whcle number of Britilh infantry in Great Britain and Ireland would be found, therefore, not to exceed 43,t00. And if cireumflances lhould call for it, the whole of the dlfporahle force we could calculate on being able, in the prefent Rate of our army, to em• ploy, was 30.000 men. In that cafe too the defence of Ireland would be left folely to her own Militia and the Army of Referee, and England moll rely folely on her Volunteers and Militia. Surely it clirld not be welted that with fueh an army any vigorous and effeDual operations could be undertaken. therefore, we were not to be cimfined to that miferable defective fynens which had hitherto prevailed; if this country was to regain that influence on the continent which, till the Peace of Amiens, the had maintained; we mon be pi epared to contribute our military efforts, and not merely pecuniary ficrifices. With a view to obtaining that military force which was within our means - to produce, the Houle ought to go into ,the Committee ptop-ifed, and no longer milt to that inefficient and nugatory meafure of which to much had been faid. In that Committee too they might prepare the repeal of the Army of Referee Bill, for the revival of which Come Noble Lords fcemed to be apprehenlive and revive the General Train ing Bill. Nay, if Minillers themfelves did not think proper to propore any farther meafures for the improvement, Cue h meafures might be fugge fled as the urgency of the cafe demanded. With refped to the recruiting of men for a limited time, his Lordfhip profeffed !timid( Rill friendly to that plan, and he had no doubt that it would be pofEble to render it per fedly compatible with the public fafety, erea if it were to he commenced pending an alma' war. After many other cogent and impreffivt arguments, his Lordfhip concluded an able fpeech by Appealing to thofe, then a majority, who had lan year fupported a fimilar propolicion, for their fupport now. He himfelf bad not then fupported it merely in order to procure a change of Mintflers, defirable and neceffary as he confidered that change, but becaufe he thought additional means of military defence were neceffary. A change had taken place, but no adoptive Improve ment of our military fituation had followed—and, as he underftood, none farther were at prefent in con templation. The dangers of the country, however, had not eeafed, and with a view to the attainment of real Ilrength and permanent fecurity, he gave his hearty anent to the motion. Lord MULGRAVE defended Lord Hawkefbury from the charge of having Paid that Parliament had nu light to difeufs military quellions. His Noble Friend. who had arraigned this polition with fo muck afpetity, molt have totally mifreprefented his Noble Friend, who laid merely that Parliament ought not to alginate and devife military plans, 'inlets in cafes of the uttnoil neeeffity ; Inch as did now cliff. He denied that any fuch motion as the prefent had been adopted laft year, for no fuch motion had been de bated. For his own part, though he had concurred in thinking that Tome change in Adminifiration was necetfary, he by no means ever went fo far as to think that all the military plans of the late Minillry fhould be repealed. Of the Army of Referee Aa he thought that it had been of ellential fervice to the public, and that it was fufpended. not becaufe it was bad, but be caufe it was no longer necelfary. He contended that the tneafure fo much arraigned had not received Inf. ficient trial, and that what trial had taken place en couraged a belief, that it would produce men without impeding the other means of recruiting the Army. But neither that, nor any other plan, could be effec tual, unlefs pained with contlancy ; nor if it was thwarted by confliftiog meafores, and enfeebled by doubt red uncertainty, as to its continuance. As then there was no neeedity for entering upon a courfe of enquiry wh;ell was likely to obfirue, rather than pro mote the public faietY, as the Rate of the national defence was fuch as to afford us a well grounded con fidence trf firccefs, fhould it be called into Vtion : be was decidedly Wile t'n the motion. The LORD CHANCELLOR left the Woolfack, and abl defended the military fyliens of the late AdminiWration. He Rated the motion, and contend. ed, that the latter part of it, which proptrfed that the Houfe after reviling the exiting laws on the fobjekr, proceed to devife other plansoT military dc. fence, was highly objedtionable . He did not, mor e than his Right Hon. Friend, deny the right of the Hoofs to do in ; bat he warezrtain that nothing bat overbearing , neceffity weld induce the kibak to aims*, =Wain okaatfaso whichriksional, it was ajirifable to leave to the Executive Govern ment. The Additional Force Ad, he was convinced, would produce men, if it had a fair opportunity of being tried. And if parifhes found that there was no chance of its being repealed, exertions for that pur pofe would be made. As to the railing of the penal ties, the law poffefred means of enforcing them, and it was jutt and neceffary for the public service, that in this, as in many other cafes, and particularly in cafes of a fiinilar kind laR war, they fhould be en forced. Notwithftanding the charges of imbecility and weaknefs, fo boldly made against the late Mini ary, they had done every thing that any men, that all the talents and property of the country could have been expelled to do for the public fafety. As to the decay of the influence of this Country, owing to the Treaty of Amiens, he °Unwed, that the influence of this Country on the Continent was as little before that Treaty as after it. One advantage of that Treaty was, that it had afforded the means of preparing thole effeetual meafures of defence that had been provided, in this war into which we had been dtiven, by leading to that unanimity which had facilitated our exertions. Upon the whole, he faw no advantage to be derived from that revilion of Alas which had been highly beneficial to the State, which were full/ended becaufe they had done their bufinefs ; and particularly he was adverfe to that part of the motion which propofed to go into a Committee to devife farther meafures of military defence—a propofal wholly unwarranted by the circnmftances of the country. The Duke of CLARENCE in a (tort, but ins preflive fpeech, Rated his reafons for fupporting the motion. He thought that every part of our military eftablifhment deferved ferious revilion. He referred to his own calculations refpeaing the extraordinary deficiencies in our regular force, compared with its attual amount, and contended that the more he con fidered this fubjea, the more was he convinced of the neceffity of going into the inquiry which his Noble Friend bad propofed. Another Noble Friend of his had, on a former necafion, alluded to the De fence ACI, and had expofed its nullity in ltrong and conclufive terms. This, however, was the only third which Milliners had even attempted to increafe our difpolible force, and no Noble Lord could look at ' its dials without owning, if he (poke his real femi ments—that to troll to fuch a meafure as a means of recruiting our army, was little better than downright trifling. He thought that a Noble Vifcount oppofite, and fume of his late Friends, were bound in con tinency to vote for the Committee, if it were for no purpofe but that of getting rid of a Bill, which, left Schlott, they had In leverely condemned. Among other topics which his Royal Highnefs employed in fupport of the motion, was the Rate of the army em ployed in the Colonies. The immenfe draughts of our Regular Troops in the Weft India .Iflands had long been a matter of deep regret, and the means of counteraCting this evil had long occupied the attention of Military Men. The plan of employ ing corps of Sepoys in thefe Settlements was one which had long (truck him as worthy of ferious confideration, and which would, if the Committee were granted, of courfe be fully and deliberately in quired into. Many other important points, which on this as well as on former °clarions had been re ferred to, would alto demand fenous inveltigation.— His Royal Highnefs alluded too to the prefent nate of the Naval Defence, which he maintained was in ferior in efficiency to what was fupported by the No ble Lord lately at the head of the naval department. Here again he conceived a Noble Vifcount oppofite (Lord Sidmouth) called on to Rate whether he gave any countenance to the accufations brought forward in another place againft the late Admiralty. Honour as well as milliners called on the Noble Vifcount to difavow fuch aceulations, if he thought them un founded. We regret that the latenefs of the hour prevents us from giving more than thefe few hints of what his Royal Highnefs advanced in his fpeech. Lord SIDMOUTIT vindicated his continency in the vote which he fhould give this evening againft the motion. When a fimitar motion was brought Forward lift year, he had, in the other Houfe, refitted it as altogether unneceffary. He had then -land that loch inquiries were extremely impolitic, unlefs where they were demanded by imperious circumrtances.— In the prefent Rate of the country they could not be fuecefstully profeeuted without recalling from the Rations where' they were ufefully employed, many gallant officers both in the naval and military depart ments. There were his arguments againft a Com mince, at that time, and certainly thinking that, from a variety of circumilaoces, the fituation of the country was in a Rate of rapid improvement, he felt hitafell quite continent in refitting the meafure on the prefent occafion. This, then, he thought a fuffi• cient aufwer to what had fallen from the Illußrinus Perfonage who had preceded him in the debate. He repelled, in terms of ftrong indignation, the charges of inactivity in any of the departments of the late Government. In the Naval Department he had feen nothing but wifdom, energy, and unremitting aCti vity, and he should never in that Houle Coffer any contrary affertion to pars uncontradifted. The fame obfervation he felt himfelf called on to make, as to all the other departments. Every one of the mea fares by' which the army was augmented,, had origi nated with the late Minitlers. The Foreign Corps, the German Legion, the I: Mt levies, not to mention the very extenfive meafure of the Army of Referve, all were planned and put in a train of execution be fore any change in the Government took place. As to the Defence Ad, on which fo much had been laid by many Noble Lords, he certainly had, in the firfl inftance, difapproved of it, and though his opinion was not changed as to the principle, he w a s b o u n d to bow to the wifduas of Parliament which had formed it into a law. As it now then was a law, he was defirous that the meafure fhould be fairly . tried on a great fcale, and if it fhould not fucceed, it %mild then be in the power of Noble Lords to move for its repeal. A Noble Lord oppofite (Lord Gren ville), had fpokcn of every meafure of the late Mi nifiry in terms of the utmoft feverity, and even con tempt. All that he had to fay to this was, that he was ready to meet that Noble i.r.rd on every pan of the eondud of the late MinifierF, whether naval, mi. liter?, or financials, whenever he thought 'proper re plarly to introduce the &Ned. He was in the mean tame decidedly againft the motion. Lord 'MELVILLE likewife oppofed the motion, and maintained that, W there was the profped of a confederacy on the Continent, we could (pare no left *as font' thowfmail men to to-operate fat the m:DCIASEX [LIMON. veranee of Enrope. This was a number nearly e.onb'c to what we ever had before ander such circumil es. and therefore it was not fair to fay that we cook' not du our full (hare it the Continent timid once more awake to a fedi of its hirheft intervals and its true) glory. He faw no advant.ige that could reit& from the Committee, whereas it might give rife to difpi• riting reflation' in the country, at a moment when all fuch feelings were molt powerfully to be depre cated. He trotted then their LordOups would throw no obflacle in the way of the exertions of his Majef ty's fervants to increafe the Regular Force of the Country. After a few words from Earl Spencer, their Lord- Ihipc divided—when the number; were, For Lord King's motion, • Cunt,nts 3o Net, Contents No ?mite as Prusies 57 52 127 Majority agaird Lord King % motion, 75 Adjourned At three o'clock. HOUSE OE COMMONS, The Marine Mutiny Bill was read a fecund time, and ordered to be cent:tam-a 14 Monday. A MeLige front the Lords informed the Honfe, that their Lord. Sips had agreed to the Loan Bill and the Pottage Duty Bill. The Sugar Drawhaik Bill, and the Legacy Duty Bill, were read a fecund time, and ordered to be committed, the tirit fur Monday, the fecond for Tociday next. The third railing of the Property Tax Biß was fixed for Mon. day. IRISH STATE PRISONERS. Lord HENRY PETTY moved, Agreeable to a notice he had given on a former night, that copies of the depofitions given upon oath by the State Prifoners confined at Kilmainham, before three Judges, who vifited that plifon. efpecially for the purpole, on the 14111 and t sth of July lad, fhould be laid on the table for the ufe of the Members. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHE(TER raid that he at prefent law no objection to the Motion. But as he had not feen the dcpofition, and did not know its contents, he mutt fo far qualify his afrent to tte Motion, by dating, that if that depofition con tained any evidence that would he improper, and con• trary to the public fervice, to difclole, in that cafe, which was, however, only a pofable cafe, he fhould not agree to it. Lord HENRY PETTY declared, that his motion had no fuch ()Nee. The only faFts he wanted to lay before the Houfe were refpeeting the date of the pri- Ron, and the hat dthips that State Prifeners had (of fered there. After this explanation, the motion was unanimoufly agreed to ; as was alto a nihtion which be made for a Copy of the Memorial to the Lord Lieutznant, tigned conjointly by the laid Prifoners, both before and after the date of the laid depofitions. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER moved the order of the day for refuming the adjourn ed debate nn the late Sheriffs of Middlefex. Mr. SHERIDAN laid, he ()mold oppofe this, until an opportunity had been offered to hear Connie' on the fubjedt. He did not mean to examine the gene ral merits of the queltion, or to contend that the Houle ought not to agree with the refolutions the Committee had formed; but he meant to argue, th:.t the Houle could not, with any regard to its own juf tice and dignity, refufe to the Sheriffs the privilege uf being heard by their Counfel, before it came to a final determination. It was laid, with come appear ance of truth, that as the Members of - the Com mittee are upon oath ; as they receive the evidence under the fame folemn pledge; as they attend to the demeanor of the witneffes, and hear the ftrietures of Counfel upon the teitimony, th at there fore it is not necelfary to have the parties again ex amined at the Bar of the Houfe. The Committee recite to us the evidence, and it is expected every Gentleman compares the refolutions with the tali ninny fo prepared to his hands, to fee if the refill drawn by the Committee coincides with his view of the &potations. It was one thing to contend that the evidence ought to be reheard, and another that the alliance of Counfel ought to be admitted. He was confident that the Committee, and the Noble Lord who prefided in it, had aged with confcier tious impartiality, and it became the' Houk to adt in the fame fpirit. They had not yet been . given diftinetly to underfland that the Sheriffs bad been fully heard in the Committee ; indeed, it was unneceffary to propofe the queflion, becaufe the mat. ter refpeeting thefe officers was contingent and colla teral. The Committee was appointed under the Grenville Aa, and nothing in that Ratite fupplied them with an opportunity of a fair trial. The Hoftfe had not the whole of :he evidence before it. True it was, that a feleetion had been made by the Noble Lord, and thole by whom he was affitted ; but in a ' matter of 11) much intricacy and labour, might not the Sheriffs be allowed to fay, that in the mafs of evidence, more materials ought to have been fub mitted to the Houfe, or that tome effential part of it had been accidentally fuppreffed ? Gentlemen would not furely difpute, that they ought to be heard, if no opportunity of this kind had been afforded them If it could not be correctly Rated that they had not been heard, it might fairly be afferted, they had not tLe means of fully difeuffing the merits of the cafe ; and, therefore, the Houle could not proceed on that . complete information which ought to be given an tecedent to its determination. The Sheriffs had but one day to initruil their Counfel, and to ellablith their cafe. If the duties of the Committee were pro traeled, the attendance of the Sheriffs was only ocea frond!. With regard to the trial of the returning offi cer, he fhould be glad to have pointed cut to him any part of the Aet which requires a Committee to intlitute any inquifitian into their conduct? The fla me direlled only that the matter of the petition be tried. This was the (Ingle point ; this the infulated queftion on which they were to decide : on other fob jets they were to make a fpecial report. He wrs not fond of makinc , comparifons between the modes of judicial proceeding, but there were tome analogies which were in obvious that they could not efcape no tice. Thus, here the Committee under the Grenville Aft had a double charafter. As to the immediate matter referred to them, they referablaw petty jury, as conitituted by the law of England ; their verdict was to be final, as to that tingle particulir. In another retina they were (imam - to the Gr and Jury, under the fame law they heard exparte evidence as to collateral fuhjeets, and in thefe the Honfe referve.t to id& the power of revilion. This was the caik With regard oo Jasnefon ; his name was not CICA a number nearly eoub'c nderlnchcircumll.an es. to fay that we cook' not inent (horrid once more 1 inrerefls and its truer} e that could relolt from , , might give rife to clifpi• itry, at a moment when ) powerfully to be depre- • LnrdOups would throw exertions of his Majef- : Regular Force of the arl Spencer, their Lord. 'beta • Contents 70 es Si 127 s motion, 75 k. • I MMONS, d a fecund time, and ordered ed the I-tonic, that their Lord- -1 the Pottage Duty Bill. e Legacy Duty BBL were read • mined, the tint fur Monday, Tax BUZ was fixed for Mon- a ISOM a Ittl• moved, agreeable to a Her night, that copies of th by the State Prifoners fore three Judges, who for the purpote, on the ould be laid on the table he EXCHEIZIER raid • Etion to the Motion. But tion, and did not know nalify his affent to the f that depotition con- Id be improper, and con• to difclole in that cafe, pofable ca fe,: he &mild eclared, that his motion I y fat he wanted to lay ling the date of the pri- ;tate Prifoners had fof- motion was unanimoully ion which be made for a Lord Lieutznant, tigned rs, both before and after ns. Lecriese. f the EXCHEQUER w returning the adjourn- s of Middletex. thould oppofe this, until red to hear Countel on an to examine the gene- - or to contend that the with the refolutions the he meant to argue, tln.t iy regard to its own juf- he Sheriffs the privilege fel, before it came to a Paid, with tome appear- Members of •the Conl- ey receive the evidence ledge; as ,they attend ritneires, and hear the e teitimony, th at there- lye the parties again ex. [mire. The Committee td it is expected every rotations with the tar- ds, to fee if the refill incides with his view of thing to contend that card, and another that n to be admitted. He )mittee, and the Noble ad aged with confcier- became the' Houfe to • ley had not yet been I that the Sheriffs bad 'mince ; indeed, it was etbon, becaufe the mat. 'as contingent and collo yy - a appointed under the in that Ilatute fupplied a fair trial. The Hottfe idence before it. Trne ‘t nen made by the Noble re was al - lifted ; but in a ' and labour, might not fay, that in the mafs of ight to have been fub- Come effential part of it fled ? Gentlemen would ought to be heard, if no ' t been afforded them If d that they had not been :rted, they had not tiie merits of the cafe ; and, not proceed on that . ' ought to be given an- The Sheriffs had but ounfel, and to ellablith : he Committee were pro- , ). : Sheriff; was only occa- rial of the returning ofE- ave pointed cut to hi:n • :quires a Committee to iy their condo& ? The (la- natter of the petition be mint ; this the inflilated to decide : on other fob- pecial report. He wis Cons between the modes ere were tome analogies icy could not efcape no- lace under the Grenville As to the immediate • referabled - 14 petty jury, England ; their verdict fingle particular. In tan to the Gr and Jury, rd ex parts evidence as to ere the Hortfe referve.t ria. This was the ea& name was not even IWO-