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ientatives of ifficient rea ct y roan that anci Foreig n I—(Cheers). enter into ire that o sk 'lt Mover of re forces and so familiar :avarin, that s very slight dmiral Cad. In Armistice r, resrecting le Armistice* 7urlcish. had different paTstice, anti he forthwith .Cr di in gum, ind a frigate . posal, but bar judicious 4 4 and the.fri. K Turkish or terms of ,the idful 'of their t an order Lo be forth with. )st promptly I had assert*. faith in the , for the Ad adinz Would I to submit to The Turkish ar and fort' consisted of sels mounted guns.- This the guns on ose who base !ng and effe.c-- leed they pm- . . The number '5, and there, :tails that the 4ebtyczyed two - ight mention; tarp n ittire.nf red, and • that tt son who was %s, be allowed y happil y•and ertion he had e Powers. was te, was cloSely and her siioa- French frigate, to the tel , ief itnself sbe:ireen nd soon com ar the,condnct cimts.aftd-galw vetiiel, instead r the CI estc together, as a inow tedgn ent !4t 'Oce* * l7.ll)bs of thinonie),, mnecessary_ tie that part - -of nt,,Conamand* ins the Bay of here 'remain only to tie again putt a great sacrifice of e the loss of inapt taittea. The Ca sinntry, and in tee e tiled/it - fore:et tiOD had ;sever • one upon the etfee of opinion.• id been univei :ommended by pleciating question old* igit to his sub s say .that the : the•only vesuk ren rise to the F the wcitftr ). For by ti e comparatively be every -pros aty of ;.oadaa the. mints so. Greece, would that detail, be to speak Gentlema,a hid s. -and had ridi n- English' fleet. battle ships lie .y still spoke -at he would -refer :d ; and if they rbariani, add r of the thanks hlon. Gentkwes not barhariaur I not biebir'fitirS; s? And ytt y victor les .over had been enani he should toair nd the re,istatice lick that iiodee sapport of bit rated for Copra been fired; the lmiral Stopfordl Pr the assistance when again not d to Admiral de , and inanyortwe in all of whirls iawer of the re estimation. At r day in the cast that no vote eif er, but he (Mr. snals, that liars td to Osborne ss to to any *144 and distinctive confined -to the ay. An obiat , he ►lto ul4 -fur ttween !ttic ijustly.be *Klett b respect to Ca- p en hagen. 'That objecbon .was made by the Minis 'ters not of the day, by their saying that Denmark had the posrer e that it was too .weak. to maintain a neutrality. Indeed, previous to the visiting of Copen' hagen by our fleet, there were 15'0 Danish vessels in our ports, and their merchants and owners feeling great anxiety As to their safety, made a representationto the Crown Prince, who replied that from England there *could be nothing to fear, as he did not possess a single Ally in whom he had greater confidence. But there was another and a more satisfactory precedent on. which the House might act. He alluded to the battle of Algiers. There was at the period that action took place a league entered into by several Sovereigns of Europe for the tranquillization of the Mediterranean sea. Thus then the object ,of the two treaties was the putting d.)wn of piracy and the tranquillizing of the Mediterranean. After visiting, and with ."cress, Tunis and Tripoli, Lord Exmouth, the Admis *al of the English Fleet; appealed off_ Algiers, and at ifirst the Dey appeared• inclined to concede, and two flays were allowed him for consideration. The British Admir.,l, however; soon learnt that a dreadful massacre /bad been perpetrated at Bona, a place a short distance from Algiers, in direct contradiction to the spirit of his proposals, and he forthwith proceeded to the attack. The result of that attack was well known ; and what was the notice taken of it in the Prince Regent's (his present Majesty) speech upon the opening of the Parliament? . Why, that S,'eech spoke of it in these terms : " The hostilities to which I was compelled to resort, in vindica tion of the honour of the Country, against the Government of Al giers, have been attended with the most complete =CUSS. "The splendid achievement of his Majesty's fleet, in conjunc tion with a squadron of the 'King of the Netherlands, under the gallant and aisle conduct of Admiral Viscount Exmouth, led to the immediate and unconditional liberation of all Christian captives then within the territory of Algiers, and to the renunciation by its Government of the prattiee of Christian slavery. " I am persuaded that you will be duly sensible of the importance of ah atrangenieftri6interesting to humanity, and reflecting, from tht manner fib which it had been accomplished, such signal honour on the British nation." Such. was the language in which his Majesty spoke 'of.the battle of Algiers, and it appeared to trim that , such language might with the utmost propriety and. very little alteration have been applied to the glorious achievement of N avat in —(1-lear, hear.—And what was . the language of the late Lord Castlereagh, when he moved- a. Vote of 'thanks to Lord Exmouth and his. brave associaTes forthe gallantry they. displayed? Why he charasterisedi )W iChievernent, as one which did ho. her to Greaklititain,. and said that the House would,. tete with peculiar pleasure, our-fieet combined with that of Holland in the completion of a'ttiumpkwhich . was a . .... _. benefit not to ambition, bu t co -civilised society and ha. matiity. And could • any - argues, be. more appropri akolti the battle' of Noirin ?. Bot Lord Castlereagh went on (a sly, iiiit although the enemy might be de-, Select in skiff, yetby their numbers and their reckless bravery they were formidable, and to be conquered only by a rare union of perseveraace, skill and courage. Again, .00thing could be more appropriate to the battle of Navarin than such language. Besides, that be (bir. Hobhouse) renstmbeied that the motion on that occasion was seconderlloy • a • young and very ingenious Gentle man, who declared it to be " a noble enterprise, a brilliant enter prise, and in a good cause." That younkand elegant Gentleman, as he thin iptoiMaerlio be, was, be recollected, a Mr. Law—( Hear, tear,. heat D—but what hid becinisedf..lifin since he so admirably .eharactetited ilia battle' of • Algiers :44- (Mr. HObbouse) could mot pretend to sly—(itheers and laughter.) But as the cases of Navarin and"'Algieri" were iseitly parallel, be would take Mar, the promising:yentrig:GentleMan, as his gattli...atid ,desiinate the former as " a noble 'enterprise,. a brilliant enterprise, 'Mid in a good cause."—(l - (ear, heir !,) There Were 'fader killed but more woustStif at •Aiiiiti thairit Nabartn ; but he' again repeated, that the nave of the resistance act arootiet 'of the loss were nut essential to iii/ 4.9-tatiofi.'n'SertOition rat was, whether the action under ecassiciiflii;rifiairiii . had not reflected honour on the British arms? With it policy hadnothing to do;` - and after the testimonies he had quoted, he couiti. , not Conceive' hoW there could be the slightest diffemee qf qpiiitno upon the subject. Ile had been endeavouring tulips' out atm plausible excuse could be urged against his resolti tion. To discover it be hid conversed with many in and out •of the House, but noapne was able to assist him. - 'But in his researches be thought he hit . upon the undiscovered' point. He thought that be bad found a hint in the speeth of an Hun. and Learned Gen tleman (Mr.:it...Grant) which, followed out, =lsla jurciish an objection. It had been said by this lion.and•l.,earned Oentkmin, that it would not be addhable tbentertain the - questiou in any shape white acguelnioas were pending. And he ( Mr. ilobhouse) was scaly to admit that that, might tie a very good reason why the policy eif Me: treaty, or:.the battle Would not be discussed, but it had nothing at all to do. with his resolution. 'f he• House knew all it could upon the -aalsject of the Gallant Admiral's conduct. It had, the opinion of those who. empowered him, .o( those who had succeeded them in *Set, end certainly did not appear a little inclined to criticise his con.' datt,and.therefore they could not possibly require any further in formation; If it was said the instruction's ought to be produced, be answered, that that was no fault of Admiral Codringtotes, but it' was the fault of those who refused to produce thern—(Hear). - - Te conduct of Sir E. Coilrington ,must be either a subject kir great blam'e or for great, eulogium; and since arose commended hint Vilio - anlyi - as they said, had the proper means of judging of it, le_fri_er but 'common justice that he should receive the reward be2:ll(4't i ftelf. • But ft ha. been 'said, • itt'oppiaition• to his pro posikl wife olthanks, that the House Of Commons adopting such a measure would exasperate Turkey. • He had , heard it said by some 'ere geed sad honourable ...Gentlemen as ever sat in that House, that the indignation of the Porte world,, be greatly excited by, osch a recces:ling. But •he apprehended that those, who, indulged. in anclaleats imagined, that .because they were in thi Jaabit. of. readioctbe r 4pbatm of that House regularly in the' blurt lip& Newspapers that dia'Turks ,?ollowed the same custom.- Nisi 4111 a s -el - had been in Turkey, and although it was sonic time since be was there, . yet VW" march, of intellect," of which everibeskizad lattevly, beard so much, must have been rapid in • deell; lopovianythitlg it a 1(( aboOt ti L evispaPers or the proceedingi oithai Bittle=(faailghter). 4 Disiiiis has stay In Turkey he had nett with' hut .osieinitn, actrikny'bia doe Nile, Who - knew that theroWid an Roglisit House of Commons, 'oi sthat a vote meant = (Lott) la •• ery. Sucte•lik esurrethhe House was the fact, and that em: II irett Torte, wit Ali- Paths himself(Hear). And really if any! tte'in., p ' wiretilabe talkitig to a Turk—aye, and what was called so idlOsreent one,-aboue that House and its voted, the Turk would think '.lOl *á bait belatid ; and, therefore, to talk of exaspe railigMtekey liy istibaing i vine of thanks seemed to him really+ a pale' sidictiloiss. He: now found a much more. likely thinal to esdarrale tba, Qrand • Ssigoor, in a phrase used in his 114esty siSPeeiilS. - He' illided to the term w Ancient Ally."-..: Warns,!iskifis *fin visited iia the ion'and brother of the Noon; themaster• of ,countless milliiin, awe who styled us as Christian Boiti i* me,nol kts (Soldier eteint ar - AncientAily,calculated, if any thinteoold, atter the battle of.Navuin had pot done so, to exas perate the Grata.Signior—(Heat, and laughter). Re would appeal to any Gentleman who was aware of the indignities imposed upon out Ansbassadois and sit who went in. their suites, as to whether from the vast. show the Porte made of his superiority, it was nut' much more likely he would beincenscd by familiarity than by a veto of.tbanks liaising that House—( Ileac and laughter).—There wail cad dilicility to be . apprehended froni a vote of thanks; the mai ' theniyhieb we had to gusrd against ' was not giving Offence by sssdi Eetwa a the G ' and Sultan and the Refs Effendi, but httinglPrinei teintch arid tbe Austiian Court iniagrai shit Wi were about le • 'II trosii the NISI - tient - Of the Treaty we bit nsidif—(awiis). If Oteie Wes My thing to be apprehended, k vial Me feign a V . Olll a that Iclonii, but from a courier from Austria. Both the Ham Gentlemen opposite a nd thoie around him, well knew that persist ...• veranee was neceisiry, to be successful li _political affairs, and it that were once tool sight of, then indeed triumph las in danger. Ia the Vote of Thanks he 'should propose, lie should ' take the Übertt of in c luding the Preach and Russian Aiiniials, add he' did so upOl the precedent of Algiers and some occurrences In Spain. No doubt; that one of the greatest and most gloriom distinctions that Eng. had possessed, was the power of bestowing, through her Repre , 'made's, her thanks upon those whiz had either peculiarly ad. lanced her own particular interests, or those of the civilized world and humanity in general. It, was the glorious privilege of a country where freedom ruled, and the houOur it conferred was rendered es unable in the eyes bf foreigners, because it proceeded from those who having wrought out their own treedom, were the better able to apprecime the noble achievements of others — ( Hem', heir!) 'fo confer an honour in such cases was to do boaour.to themselves, artd he itatra sincerely believed that the battle of Na. 'ants justly called for . kith a tribute—( Hear, hear!) He kneW that true Thenki Or that House ought not to be malle too cheer, that they otight not to . be ifs en on every slight Occurrence ;• but he knew ilse that tewfifshold them when they were justly due, waste rob the patriot warrior of the brightest and dearest laurel he could, acquit.. He spoke that sentiment trot upon his cierrtatithotite s • but upon that of the Duke of Wellington. When Oar great General; as Sir Arthur WellesleY,.. received the thanks of that House for his conduct at . Copenhagen, nothing could be more noble than .his reply. The language that Noble Duke had then used, ought for ever to be rernemhered. He said that the thanks of that House, as the Representation of the British People, was the dearest recompense a soldier could receive—that ii was the ardent hope of obtainiog that bright reward that stimulated men on to glory, and to make unbounded sacrifices for their country's good. Sush was the sentiment the then Sir Arthur Wellesley expressed, and it was impossible to add value to his description. And might.. he not be perniitted to observe, that the thanks of that Hope might even have been present to the mind of the great, extraordinary. and illustrious man, and led him ea in some measure to those brilliant achievements which bad secured to him eleven different Votes of Thanks at the hands of that House—(Loud cheers). He was thanked for Vimeira—for the defence of Portugal—for Talavera—for the siege of Ciudad de Roderigo—foe the taking of Badajoz—for the Battle of Salamanca—for Vittoria—for his entrance into France—fur Orthes—for the glorious battle of Waterloo, and for his general conduct during the whole war— (Loud cheering). And, if after recounting his long list of noble tsiumplis, he could suppose it possible that such a man es the Duke of Wellington, that a hero crowned with so many Impels, could envy a Gallant Officer of a different though a kindred profession, one sing l e wreath, then indeed he might fear that there was some .truth in the rumours he had heard. If he could by possibility imagine that such a falling 'off could be, then he should be able to belieire, 'which to did not, th it that illustrious Commander, had used all his infl uenc e, a nd great it was known to be, to . pre vent, Sir Edward Cotirington from receiving the reward due to his gallantry—(Hear, hear, bear).—But he could not, he woold nor, , prove any such thing, until it was proved by the vote. When he looked round him and saw so many gallant Officers of both the pro? Cessions of arms—when he saw also several who had been connected with the late Government from whom the gallant. Admiral received his instructions—when he recollected that he ems addressing the Representatives of the Nation, celebrated for its glorious struggles in the cause of freedom, and even perhaps still more celebrated for the gratitude which it ceased not to entertain for benefits re ceived by it—when he saw around him so many who, though they differed in a variety of points, were still ever found 'ready and anxious to do justice to gallantry and merit; when he saw all thai, he could net think it possible that his proposal would be re jected, since its rejection Could bring with it nothiirg but disgrace— (Cheers). If, however, he should be mistaken—lf , after all his hopes, every generous, every just feeling should be stifled, let, .the House turn its reflection to what would be the language of history, and pause, ere yet it was too late. Should his resp lution be cast aside, hiitory would record the melanchely truth • in such language as this:—Speaking of Admiral Codrington, and the treatment his gallantry met with in the 'British House of Commens,lt would say—His merits were ickdoWdged and• hotiodred by his gracious Sovereign ; foreign Potentates rushed With . earirness to confess and pay the debt of giatitude they 'tined hrtia.;.; bmbicown countrymen were unmindful of his great' deserrt.. Thei?better and more generous feelings were absorbed in &Wide' jealousiess—(Loud cheering from the 'OppositiOn):— , and while.BMY gloried In the triumph of a parry, they forgot the - intefest of Chris; tendom, and the hero of its preservation-e(Cheering). The Hon.' Gentleman then concluded by moving a vote of thanks, fraMed to the usual way, to Sir Edward Codrington; the *French and Russian Admirals, and! he Officers, Seamen, and. Marines, who served endue them at the action in Navarin BAY. Upon the questienbeing put .Irtnn the Chair,, Sir F. BLlRD,ETTs.ecolidedthe motion. , On the first branch of the motimetelni pet from tlieVhiir i Mr. BANKES rose to.address the House,hut -unfor- . ttinately such a numberof Members rose to leave the House at the same moment, that he was altogether inaudible in the Gallery during . the early ° part of his address. We understood him to state, that he could not venture-to attach either praise or blahleVo the affair at Navarine in the absence. of the necersary -dbcoments. When those Papers were produced-, the House would be able so judge the nature of the orders given, as well as the manner in which they were carried • into execution. The present . Motion, if acceded to, would place • the House in this situation;—it would. iambi their sanction* • - co a Treaty whiCh, in his opiaion,:ought nut to be sanc tioned. They were now about to-investigate the whole question without knowing, in point of fact, whether :hey were in a state of' war or peace-with -the Power in question ? The HonOurable Member here adverturat some length to the nature of the Treaty .between-'he, Allied Powers, and proceeded to contend that nothing therein contained the attack made upon the Turkish fleet at Navarin. It was contrary to the policy of 11r. Pitt to allow the Russians to euter the Mediterranean, but now that they had got . in there, how were we to geti them . out? If this could not be accomplished, was it nor, he asked, contrary to the usual policy of this court yto sanction.their enyanee lit tenternheted a line,, uhich said that Who beipi ipesierfal . friewd, preArats a tee," and he• believed that it- was fully verified upon the pre,.. sent occasion. The House should remember, that no man was More opposed than the late Mr. Canning to any interference with the internal policy of other Statet. But supposing such an interference as that which took place at Navarin necessary, was our Navy reduced to such a state as to require the assistance of two Foteign Powers? The Hon. Me'sblier concluded hy.opposin4 the motion upon the grounds silready stated. • -.••'.• Mr. kIUSKISSON-In presenting Myself"td 'the' House upon the present occasion, I Jo ndt Teel thart am called upon to say much in answer to the Hon. Member who has just sat down, inasmuch as he has, as it appears tome, wandered altogether from the question before us—(Hear, hear). For myself, I cannot help .regretting that the Hon. Member (Mr. Bankes) has not thought proper to adhere to the more mild' and pro perly chalked out course by the Hon. Member for yVestiniaster: 'My Lion. Friend, the Member for Dor. setsbire, has told us that the objects of ti.e Treaty, ac cording to his reading of it, differ entirely from the protocol of Petersburgh in 1826;' • now this I must altogether deny—(Hear). We must look to both, in 'Order to consider their various bearings. la both the contracting parties bound themselves to reconcile the conflicting interests in Greece, in order to procure a `general pacification of the Levant. My Hon. Friend has talked to you of the frand and violence committed ; _but it is clear that he carinot have read the Treaty or he would have seen that we were bound to iaterfe:e as Kell by the words of that-Treaty, as in aid of the in terests of humanity and the pacification of Europe. The first words of the Treaty betireen the High Contracting Parties, offer their. joint' mediation for the. purpose .of effecting, as speedily as possible, a reconciliation of all existing differences. The Hon. Member may quarrel and `find fault for the steps taken upon that occasion, but tie' can hardly expect me to give him any other an swer at this Moment, than . that the Allied Powers had no other objects in view than conciliation and peace.— Having given thitgeneraldenial to the doctrine broach ed by my Honourable Friend. I. do not feel...called Upon to. follow him over the ground he has , chosen to take upon this occasion; it is enough for me. to .say, that the peace of Europe has been in jeopardy dating the I.st seven years that the state of things was such as to threaten war, which mug end in the ex t:rmination of one of the parties--a.niar which, if,mcire generally extended, no one- could predict the con elusion of. • I can tell my Honourable- Friend, - that the policy of this . country, in the time of Mr. 'Pitt, and of Mr. Fox, and of .all other men who have ever, directed its Councils, has been, not to interpose unneces sarily in the concerns of Foreign Countries, or to inter; pose generally in questions of their independence, except where our necessity was urgent, and only where our interference had for its . object the preservation of the peace ut Europe.. England bad never interposed in the imagined, except to min'ianinnterainwthhiecheximstainny gsi G tU e at i t e n in o en f En ung ro a pe, in accordance , to established principles. To interpose under such cir cumstances that the interposition might be construed into an interference with the internal concerns of any ether people, had not been the conduct of this coun try. In 1787, Mr. Pitt, with the consent of his rival, Mr. Fox ' had interfered with Continental affa;rs, .4) far as to preserve the then existing situation of Europe, as any alteration in that state, must, have , been pregnant wi t h d anger to t h e genera l tranq uillity., The Honourable Member for Westminster has said, that we have been guilty of injustice with-respect' -to the recent Treaty ; but the object of that Treaty was o t n h fo e p pi s ! a r e m bvy e e nLat Lord gd t h s a t t t hra o the a tn f gstfaotr Protocolstate six of things years signed gwo h, if co hr a tCn t nheu o sp.t u s t rh a p n ayo c t tended tc war. His Majesty's Government will honestly make every exertion to fulfil the Treaty they have en• tered into in conjunction with our Mlles. The Hon. Member for Westminster has confessed the great ho nour conferred on any Military or Naval Officer, by the thanks of Parliament, tor conduct in battle, especially when they are moved by persons uncon ;aected with the Government of the country. I can. .not deny the abstract proposition, that there may be occasions when Thanks, moved in such a manner, may - colter additional honours ; but this is an occasion on which it is expedient to make an excepiinn. I can tell the Hon. Member, that with all the information which he assumes himself to possess, he ought to be better ac; quainted with the circumstances of the times before he pronounces so decide.ly up - on the character of the events on which he has founded his motion. The Hoo. Member has said, among other things, that he knew the fepert made by my Gallant Friend who was sent to the Mediterranean, was perfectly satisfactory in all points. Mr. Hosnousr —I have net used the expression " on all pointa ! '. Mr. 111.JM/SON—I can only state, that if. the 'Honourable Member has any ground for such an asset - . tion, .his information upon the subject must be much better than any I have -been [At in possession of. lam not going to state that. theresis any thing deficient in; the information afforded*.by.the.Gallant Admiral; but, the factis, he has .mot made any report, as far, at least,. as has come to.my knowledge. The Honourable Nlem-. ber has : told Abe Hosise . .4 the high honour which he, . considets due to the Conant Adissiral who. commanciesl - - in the ; Oght..aod..which,,l,am. not. in .tbeleast.dispoied I0Ow; hutAttkaiejid . ..that.theTbinks of the ; House are Labe refused, boar certaia..political.ch ITIgeS 'which heye..taken place isk - -the Cahiost. mad that the better Pillion% bad been ebmsbed by dome‘tic. jealousy. 110!reoess said n pe. had mach better interrupt the flight Honourable Gentleman stance by saying, he had not made the assertion which trelttgltilbm:Geatkinan was attributing to him. • 1;. - • Mr. HlJSKlSSelikr—"l'deny that there his existed in any Cabinet isietimbled in this country, since the battle of Navarin, any intention of inpfilettib4i - of Government to propose to Par liament a Vote of Thanks to the Officer commanding. Such a thing has never catered Into the mind of any roan who holds, or has held, a public situation Mils country. Votes of Thanks have never . been Moved in Parliament except for triumphs over an enemy— (Hear). The Vote of That* hal never been moved except for conflicts foreseenhod'atireet in a Rare of war. There is nu precedent of Thankeiniog voted foriny conflict which the country is bound to consider as a catastrophe- 7 fur a victory over a power not at war, where no intention existed on either'part that blood should be spilt, or that a destruCtiOn of - PrOierty .- thotild take place. We have shewa the-Admiral the , sense we entertain of his.skill, his judgment, and gallantry; bet we castjtet vote, she Thanks of Parliament as • far a victory gained . inyrae. The,Hon. Member for Westminster thinks the present case in point with tait a the battle of Copen hagen in thin year 1607. It Is dot necess a ry Wine to &sera:wall the numerous - points fie which the eases essentially diffethey differ in the policy and eondAmet sof.the . War;it is not necessary to state ' bow many of the Goimerament, or how many , Gentlemen in the House, had disapproved of ,that war; suffice it to say, that when i;he war had commenced, the House did not think that any question of pulley ought to he mixed up with the gallantry -iand skill of the I to ernp!oyed. In the affair of Copenhagen, thelbstructions given to the Admirals were, to use their best efforts to attain the object for which they were sent. They were invructed to wait eight days, as the period during which they might fortsiar from hostilities; but before the expiration Of that time, the 'Danes had declared war. These clicumatinies were consequently. unmixed with any consi. *aerations of policy.. What was dune at Copeabagen was in the most strict execution of positive instructions, and of the most specific orders. The object there was, to being about a redress de facto, if not otherwise'Obtained.• At Navarin 'the Gallant Admiral did not enter the Bay with any intemion of hostilities ; there ensued a scene in which I bel eee . there never was, since the period of our naval empire, more skill, more gallantry, and better seamanship displayed. It is no small addition to the praise of valour and Skin—praises • not ilikats to be' given in conjunct expeditions of fleets of rival natiotis:...that a spirit of harmony eristed among the Allied Powers as strongly as if the whole fleet bad been Briti,h,-, and had been directed . by .at Officer. as .beloved as Sir Edward . •Codrington was by every Officer and man under his command.— But in respect tea yore of thanks, I must consider the battle like to one of those tinfortunatetiffairi which soiretimes occur in privee • life, and which a Jury wouldeall a chance-medley.. The Hamm/able Member for Westminstkr seems.toossurne that, Sir John Gore was -sent to tbe Mediterranean in consequence of something that had appeared In'a foreign neWspaper, the Avstrian Oesereer, and whiCh .was a aakihiny on the British Ailniiral; Sir E. Codrington. This is 'the first time Fever hoard any such reason assigned fur dispatching the Gallant Officer oo his mission. Time Goveinmentot this coun try Irk it.to he its duiy to snake further inquiries an the subject of the battle; and the answers to the different queries, proved that no rashness on the part cff the British Admiral or his officers :had pro duced the conflict—(Cheers). The Government *vas most anxious that the. officers should stand free. from all blame. The Govern ment had done no more than its dutyin ascertaining this point. The country felt itself niucfi interested in the issue of the contest, and was convinced that it - would be a good 'and proper issue if it led to a termination of hostilitiel between the Greeks and Turks. It may or may not have this effect. The question now is, not whether the battle will advance the execution of the Treaty of the 6th of July, .but whether it was the spirit or intention of those who signed the Treaty to carry it into effect by such - means? I can say, that although the insttuctlosme were to this intent, the conflict which isiued out of those instructions was a mere matter of chance. The Honourable Member has told us of the gross ignorance of the Turk, and that they consider us as merely scissor-grinders, and the chief of a commercial people who go to their country to trade in raisins and wine, and the Lord knows what. I can tell the Honourable Member that he is niucli.mistaken, and that the Bets - - Effendi is very well 4tfspytt4 of. what happens in Europe. HO% not ignorant or negligent,- ai the Ifontnirable Member fur Westmiis stet iniagitieir. If Or lion. Member knew the state of the question 'relating to Algiers, he•wouid have given a very diffevent account of that transaction. If lam not mistaken, Lord Exmouth returned from Algiers in the firstinstance r and was sent back with an increas ed force, and with positive explicit instructions to compel the Hey to submit to a restitution of the captives. The analogy, therefore, entirely fails the Hon. -Member. So far ftom thinking it a shameful exception to a genital rule if we do not pass a vote of thanks to Sir E. Codrington, I say that such a*vote would be the first instance of the thanks of Parliament being given for battles,without anyreference to . the political circumstances out of which they arose; and with which they were likely to be connected. Is there no difference between a' battle fought in time of peace and in time of war? It may possibly appear, invidious 40 resist the vote in the present instance ; but the House ought to be extrecuelysautious.bow it commits itself by esta blishing such a precedent,'which, if created, might lead to conse quences which the-country may have reason to regret. What surprises me more than-any thing is, that the Hon. Member, who seems aware that he is not likely to succeed against the sober judgment of the House should assert, that in any of the changes of the. Councils of his Alajesty, between the interval of the news of the battle and the present moment, there has ever existed any intention on the 'part of Government' 40 make the proposal now before the House. . The Hon. Member, feeling how much his case in all its parts is at a variance with the principles which ought to guide Parliament, seems to have searched thttnigh all precedents, in hopes of obtaining some gethind for his motion. I can refer him to recent and very memorable( premedenti• 'which will subvert the principles on which be has proceeded.- Tie illustrious individual now at the head of the Councils of the conntey has received the thanks of Par-. Dement eleven times for his beEliant services. .Unquestionably I believe no man now exists, Who does poi rejoice that we have had the opportunity of so often thanking that Gallant Chief; for.it.istu the glorious deeds that elidtted the thanks of Parliament-that.wc , see • indebted fat the peace of Europe, and for the security upon.. which that ticace rests, and which it will be the anxious labour of that•illustrious individual to maintain undisturbed. Did the Honourable Member oVerlook a little' incident in these Votes. of Thanks—an incident quite couclutii# is to the principles and feeli hiss of Pirilatnent on such subject? slid the Honourable Geri demon ever hear of that brilliant victory which the Deke of Wel lington achieved at Toulouse—=one of the, greatest feats . of where be overcame a renowned Officer, Marshal Soult, in an en trenched position ; a victory which his own ( Marshal Smiles) Ofiletr I acknowledged to be one of the greatest of modern war, exkibitinka combination of skill, valour, and military genius never witnessed en any former occasiqn ? A Noble Duke in the other House, the lair iiuke of Norfolk, had asked the Nobleman then at the head 'of the Government, if he did not intend to move a Vote of Thanks to the Marquis Wellington, for that great and glorious achievement. Unquestionably, the Noble Earl at the head of the Administration • did feel the importance of that !Attie to the military character of the criuntry,as well as the lustre which it shed on the Commander ; but what did be say—did he propose aVote of thanks to his Vrieficl ? No !—hr at once said, that, under the circumstances of the war having ceased, it was not expected, and not intended, that any Vole of Thanks should be moved—( Hear, hear !) This is a principle which bears strongly on the question now before the House.— Undelall the circumstances of the case, I feel myself induced to oppose the lion. Member's preposition, by moving the previous Question. The Hon. Member moved the previous Question.. Sir J. MACIUNTOSH said he deplored, with the Member for Dorset, the limits which were imposed on this discussion by the alleged state of the negoziations. With respect to the Treaty of Londo 1, there was no meJitim. It was either a lawless outrage, or the most generous and disinterested Treaty that had been ever entered into. The question of the Treaty was too mighty'and too i•nport int to be decided immediately. He protested against being supposed to be one of those who condemned it. He was ready to contend .that it was just, disinterested, and conformable to the principle of the law of nations. All admitted that non-interfe- rence was the rule. The question„howevrr. was, whe ther the state of things betweeit Greece and Turkey was not such as to justify the exception? fie could shew that there were cases of armed mediation known to the law of nations, and exemplified in the practice of the best men in the best times. That. iri this case their in. terfetence was justified by sound vlicy and humanity; that it reflected honour nn Christendom, was - calcelated to secure the peace of Europe, and even tended to prop up the Turkish State itself as long as a constitution so, barbarous es .tkat.of Turkey could be prpetved frotO that ruin inherent in its very nature. He was ready to, prove thattheTreaty of the 6th of dilly was the legiti mAte.corisequence of the .Protocol. It was but justice .to ssy •that the conduct of Russia . towards Turkey afforded a rentathable proof of forbearance and pa 7 deuce, which hid only the effect of nursing up a spirit of "greater contumacy on the part of the Porte.• In proof of this he need, allude only, to the. cake of the Setvitas. According to the 'freaty of . Bucharest, the &twins were to be governed by their aim lists. A body of'Servian Deputt:s went to'Constintinople to 27- . range the terms of their subinission. 'What was the conduct of the humane and long suffering Turks?— They sent the. Deputies pri,onors to the Seven Towers, under pretence of protecting them from the insults of the populace, and there they were kept far seven Years. At last they obtained their liberty by the Treatrof Ackerman, when the Russian army had crossed the Pruth. The Member for Dorset acted consistently refusing his thanks to the Gallant Admiral, ff he con sidetedthe Treaty an ur•just one. There Were only two grounds on which they who approved of the Treaty could refuse their assent to the motion, either that the Gallant Officer went her:rid his instructions, Or' had hot sufficient grounds on which to form a judgment. To him.it was evident that he had not gos.e beyond his instructions, for by the last article of the secret Treaty it was agreed that the Admirals were to bring about an armistice de facto. Now, how were they to r. ffect this Surely not by sprinkling the Turks With rose water • They could do it by great guns alone, the only way • in which their new antient ally the Turks—(Hear, hear,hear,)—could ever be brought to listen to rea-. son. •He requested the attention of the Elotiee to. the last part of the Treaty, aid the minute signed by: the three Admirals. •It was 'perfectly clear. that their „: instructions must have intervened between this Treaty and the minute. From this . compari .on of the• two , docum nts, it appeared suite clear that Admiral Ci-* drington was authorised to act, as he 'did ; for there was • no ,other way of bringing about a ces"ation of hostili:. ries. The question was not whether they were at war. but whether the Admiral, being instructed to carry into . effect an act of coercion, was notexactly in the same si tua-ien2s the Gallant Officer who conducted the British force against Copenhagen ? He defied any person to . ,produce a principle which created any distinction be tvicen an act done in war, and an act rendered notes. sary to prevent .war. The declaration of war by the• King of Denmark made no difference. It WAU.OIO7 the necessity of the case that could justify the use of. force,' and that.necessity which call d upon thearto rake out of hands unable. to wield it, a naval power which otherwise might be turned against them •by. the enemy. Tire hostile acts at Navarro were ;ustifiable, if necessary to carry the Treaty into effect. When the object was to put an end to a war of extermination like that between Greece and Turkey, it . mattered not whether War was declared or not. If force was ne. cessary to effect an armistice, the Right Hon. Gentleman most see that there was no parallel between this case and that of Toulouse, whieli occurred while we were at peace with Louis. The thanks of Parliament for the affair of Navarin would be as just as. they . would be unjust in the other. This was the first time a l3rit'sh Par liament was called upon to deplore a naval victory, and Ministers by their conduct would, for the first lime, give occasion to believe that they were as hostile to the Treaty as the Member for Dorset. There were possible cases .in which great, difficulty might arise from the provisions of .a.Treaty when examined by the dictates of justice. Here there was nothing of the kind. He did not call upon the House to pass an opinion on the Treaty. All the necessary evi dence upon such a question. •was wanting, but none was wanting with respect to Admiral Codrington. To refuse thanks to him was,. in fact, to condemn the Treaty unheard ; it was holding out to • Europe a doubt whether they were nut ashamed of the Treaty and afraid to sound their own victory. Ministers acted in a most con tradictory way, %bile they advised his Majesty to confer ho nours on the Gallant Admiral.and the Officers who served under bilis, and refused them at the same time the Thanks of Parlia ment. No later than yesterday one of those Gallant Offic,rs 'received marks of his Sovereign's approbation for his conduit at Navarbr, while, perhaps, Ministers were rummaging fur scholas tic arguments and precedents to defeat this motion. .He had, beard it said in other places that this proposed vote, if tarried,. would obstruct the pending negotiation, but he felt no such ap prehension. On the contrary, he thought it would he a dan. gerons precerlent to withhold honours from the Gallant Admi ral who• co richly deserved them. Our business should be to teach the Jurists of Constantinople, that where oer ,:Sovereigti has been pleased to. approve the services of his Commanders— hisConnnons In Parljament asstrnblud will re-echo his huh* at an Navarro. d.jmni . th n his deserved .!House should .Frtki not es of the e their approbation eti k s ill andva a l p o p u r r o etbib n itgd of such services ; in a word, they should nut mete such a sacrifice its . order to forward any negotiation by so mean a principle. The King of France in hi, 4e e ch front the Throne, designated the battle in its legitimate terins w gre, he called it " unexpected," but not " untoward"—he declared l iwo be,tll3rious to the arms of France, and likely to coaduce to flipliarmonyof the Powers of Europe. He eharacterised it as promotlliithe pacification of Europe, while the British Government were proclaitaiing to • Eurbpe either their distaste of the 'Treaty of the 6th Jutyoar the conduct of Ad miral Codringtou. Every one, he presnmedowst have read the Re script of the Emperor of Russia, or his letter to that Admiral, in which he declared that his fame • belongs to poiterity, and that bit .pratery and skill reflected the highest honour on the civilized world. In fact, the' disinterestedness of the Treaty—the sympathy naturally excitsdlerfavour of the Greeks, were all matters which foram:44er c liar itAredkeeta ins the, present case; and the Emperor of Ittosi 'stemma to view the v:etory precisely as it ought to ha been. Tue peace and r.epoes of Korot* would now depend - eke the course to ,be pursued by the British 6overnment—thezi shoul'l be neither iietehirq nor l'aulterinr:—no nibbling at the victory in order to skulk • out iftlid - Titaty—plear, heat). 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