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the exertions of many of the Nobility and Gentle. l men of this Country,who had fo nobly fled to their protection. He trotted that the People of Ireland I would, by their future conduit, redeem their ch..- iader, which had lately been injured by the mil ccauluet of a part of them, and which, lie hop. t J, would not atEd the minds either of the Peo• picot England, or of Foreign Nations agtioi them.—lt would indeed be unjuil in deciding upon the charadcr of a Nation, to draw gene ral conclulions fican particular fads. The dia -1 :ider of Irithmen was that of a liberal, brave, candid and r• enerous Pe , :ple—with many errors midoubtedly, hut not addicted to any vie. deltrue tive of the aoud o f Society. It wonid be injurious tut he People of this Country as well as of Ireland, ;-,n judge of their natural enaraCter fiem there iLttcn.ants, It would Lend to prevent the Englilli C:Titalift from going ov-r to Ireland, and in rrear...g his own wealth, whale he added to the ge ichcs and indullry of the Country. The 'prorpeCt held out in Ireland to the Englilh Capi talitt was highly tempting, whether be was in clined to rise:Nil:tee in land or in manafadares. If he willied to adventure as a farmer, Ireland held out advantages fuperior to thole lie cotil,l Fill in this country, or, perhaps, in any country in En. rope. The climate rendered it particularly favour able for agricultural purfuits, and the iniprovement of the Inland Navigation would, he lied no donht, Aieedily produce the molt beneficial effets. He felt peculiar plealure in looking to Ireland, becaufe it afforded the prorped of becoming the Granary of this country, of preventing a recurrence of that dithers which we now felt, and of rendering ns in dependent of that precarious fupply which we now draw, fubjea to the caprice or enmity of Foreign Powers. Ireland,by furnilhing a fupply at onrown doors, would mike us ‘vholl y independent of all the Powers, and at the fame time the would materially benefit her own marine. lie truited, therefore, that the people of this country would not be frightened from embarking with their capitals for that country, by flatements which, though for the purpofe fpr which they were mentioned, yet could not be confidered as defcribing the general cha ender of the people of Ireland. Mr. CORRY then begged pardon for 'troubling the Committee fo long. and concluded with moving his Refolutions reiPeCting the Taxes. Sir Jona PARIIF Li. made lime general obfer vations on that part of the Right Hon. Gentleman's ttafement, which refpeeted the feparate charges of Ireland. He %tithed to know whether the Hon. Gentleman withed to avail himrelf of the balances of tall year, whatever arrears might then be due?, Mr.Corry,:terors the table, replied in the affirma uve, with milled to the balances as they appeared on the zit of January Tall.] Sir Joint then ob leacel to the mode of ttatement, as tending to mill lead. The balance in the Treafury, on the t R of January, was !heed as exceeding one million ; but, at the fame time, the arrears amounted to above si6oo,ocaol. to that there appeared a deficiency of 600,0001. to make good the difference between the balance and the arrears ; the r ublic, therefore, fo far from having an advantage from the balance, ought to be hated as proportionally lofers to the above amount. Viewing the 'Ulric& in this light, he begged to know of the Right Hon. Gentleman how all the balance could now be brought into credit, and made to operate in favour of the Ways and Means? The arrears, whether amounting to nearly the fame fum, or whatever the amount might be, ought, in his mind, to be deduaed from the general account. With regard ro the Loan and the Taxes propofed, if together,they but little exceeded five million:, they would make but an infurficient provifion for the expellees of the year. When he looked to the circuniftances of Ireland, and the balance of trade which was to much againit her, he molt confider the rya= of frefh Loans as dearudive to that country. By paying off the intereft of the former debt by a new was the firit Rep leading to a National Bankruptcy. There had been a law mitred in the LIR Parliament of Ireland, enabling the public to borrow t 400,0001. in addition to the ufual 'Supplies of the year. Why then was 600,0001. now to be brought forward as a charge, if the means of providing for this rum was made the tall year? With refpea to the expences of Ireland contwaed with this country, the whole of which were incurred in Ireland, although not to be paid there, Sir JOHN raid, he could not We how thefeexpences could be brought fo lo w as 4,600,0001. The expences of Ireland IA year had amounted to (even millions, betides an additional fum accruing of 700,0001. there was the intereit of the debt pay able by Ireland of 1,600,0001. amounting in all to the rum of 9,3be,0001. fo that after deducting that part of the debt chargeable on Ireland, there would (till remain the (urn of 2,300,0001. to be placed to the account of Great Britain. But when the. Right lion. Gentleman called of the advantage to Ire land from part of the expence falling upon Great Britain, he mutt remind him of the former fitua tion of Ireland, and of the additional expcnce of her fepamtreharge in consequence of the Uni on- Her whole expence in the.-year of the re bellion was 3,f00,0cr01. and nowlie.paid at the rate of (even roillizms. "Sr jautTaki that with retina military eitablillnent, the argument of the Right Hun. Gentleman appeared to him more fpecious than folid r that England paid no eniag adakmr.t, from the whole army's being lia ble to ferve in this country ireirettinitances fo re quired; for it ought to be confidercd that England paid that at prefent, which the would not have been liable to according to the former bargain w:th Ireland. If Britill troops formerly ferved Boland, Ireland was bound to pay them; but if there troops Wrved in Ireland now, And England was hound to pay them, the thus incurred an ad tfitional charge to which the would not have been liable formerly. With regard to the etpences of Ireland, he was forty to remark, that they were every year increafing, nor did he fee any pro rpeta of their diminilhing, for articles of gamic! Wert alnicift daily brought forward, although it might hare -aeon espetted from the Union, that as die array of a dabs!! Government, Offices be came unneceffary, that a conliderable reduaion of expence might have been elated. 1 number of articles of amnesty, altheogb trivial is them felvcs, had been incurred, and he thought it was the duty of the Imperial Parliament to look into tlit m ; tor, theugh Imall in themfelves, they con , fidei.thly increaled the aggregate amount, and th• ae was this advantage from Great Britain has. ing joined in the cxpences of Ireland, that it he . came her interett to fee that there was no unnecel. iary expenditure. He trufled, therefore, that the atten•hm of the Hunk would be particularly di. reaed to the affairs of Ireland. With relpeft to the tones, Ireland paid its proportion to the whole 1:t ..!S of the Empire, hctidcs which, there were several whhli operated as local taxes. This re. mark applied to Gentlemen from Ireland, 11,m -' hers of Parliament, and others coming to wide in this country, who, in several refpeEts, might he laid to he doubly taxed. After briefly noticing the pi opolition of transferring the Coal Ditty front EiTland to Ireland, the increased PottlOtfice Duty, Sc. Sir John laid, he timid,' defer till ano ther oppoi utility his remarks in l:etail upon thefe objeffs of taxation. With regard to the Will i dow Light Ditty, he would just Rate, as a pe ' enliar hartithip, that in Ireland this Duty was continued to the end of the year, although the Occupiers of bottles did not continue the fame number of windows • this he confidered as contrary to the principle of the Union, which was, that there fhould be no leverer mode of taxation in Ireland than in England. Sir John faid, that it had not been Rated front what provilion the fuper abundance of expence falling uryin England was to be paid, although he fuppofed it, was to he out of the Exchequer. He was convinced that the ea pences of Ireland had risen in fuch a rapid propor tion, efpeciallj within the latt two years, that by an accumulation of debt, the ruin of that country would be accelerated. He could not avoid re that grants of money had been made of late wi,t an unufual profufion. He could not help looking to that article of Union, that whenever the debt of Ireland arofe to the proportion of two t7tlis of the debt of Great Britain, that then the fyitem of taxation lhould be equalized in both countries; but if this .fhould ever be the cafe, it would ruin the country i nf Ireland. He wilhed that whatever the expences of Ireland were, that they might be provided for as far as poffible within the year, for otherv:ife, to promote a fyllem of increaf ing Loans, would prove ruinous to both countries. 11r. CORRY laid, that the Right Hon. Baronet called for a diminution of the expences of Ireland, but he muff know that this could not be effeded till the prefent Rate of that country was changed; but whenever that fhould happen, he might be af lured there would be a redudion of expences. The (late of its Military Ellablifhment, during feveral fucceflive years, had been the principal cattle of the additional expence, together with the increafing interell of the debt. But feweiral articles, under the bead of Compenfations,Navigation,&c. amounting ' to a considerable fum, would gradually ceafe, and caufe a proportionable decreafe of the National Expenditure. What the Right Hots. Baronet had Rated, that if the Taxes were infufficient to cover the Loan, the country was going to ruin, was trite, as a propofition abilradedly considered, but what he had had the honour of bringing forward more than covered the expenditure. With refped to the balances, the Honourable Gentleman had Rated their amount three quarters of a year back, whereas he had Rated their amount on the tft of January, 1864 the day when the Union between the two countries was to take died, and which balances amounted on that day to the fum of 1,697,0001. Sir Jour. PARNELL'faid it feemed to him extra ordinary whence this balance was to arife, as the atual expences of the former year were Rated as only fufficient for the purpofes of it. By the autho rity of Parliament. the whole of the money voted was appropriated, and therefore he fufpeded that fuch balances would ROC arife, as well as that the propofed Taxes would not cover the deficiency.— Nor was the Right Hon. Gentleman, in his opi nion, authorifed to take the balance in the Trea fury on the tff of January, as applicable to the fervice of the current year, inafmuch as there were debt's to an equal, if not a greater amount,then due. Mr. Cour affured the Right Hon. Baronet, that every poffible attention had been paid by the proper Officers to bring forward every account ; for this purpofe they had laboured indefatigably during the ufual time of recefs at the Chrillmas 'Holidays, and that every account poflible might be paid of. The Treafury had been Run from the aph of December to the sth of January ; the fum due from the :sth of December to the IR of Ja nuary (the day when.the Union took effect) was =clarify brought to the account of the prefent year. The Honourable Gentleman knew that there were certain items of the Civil Lift always neceffarily in arrear, and from which (mall funs might unavoidablyremaia due; but there were none which would not in due courfe be altogether liqui dated. 'The mod extraordinary exertions had been made to difcharge every thing that could be dif. charged; and nothing was left of fo important a nature as to warrant the charge that the arrears were not provided for. Sir lona P raid, he knew that there mud unarottishiy be cialderable arrears, and that as they were incapable of being paid off, to likewife there mull lx: balancesleft affirat, but as credit ought not to be given for the arrears, neither ought cre dit to be taken for the balances. He dill doubted whether the balances at the :ft of January could be made applicable to the expences of the current year, and for the remainder of the Loan to be brought forward. The quedion was than put upon the Refolutions, when, the Houfc being reamed, the Report was ordered to be received-to-morrow. INGLISM LOTTFRY. The CHAVC;1:1:;)Rof the EXCIIRVIrt Mk In ILIAC to the Committee the terms which he had agreed on for the Earth& Lottery for ttioi. lie rcgrettcd that the terms on which he had cm cluJed this hai gain were not fo advantageous to the Public as he c.,uld have wifhed, but owing to the contraftiws for the Englilh Lottery for iKoo hay. ing loft confalerably by it, not haring more than 34,000 tickets previous to the drawing. the billJißgli Were much lower than lift year. He coafklercd the deficiency is the Pale of Lottery Ticietc to ante born the high jai.,. oi the farics of life ; and from the id!: I a il 1 ranks of perfon . were uhlifeti to ilr.fc un tl,iir oftial expenditure. The uinal ulam:el, he faid, in whic':. the emaraeis for I.t.ttcties %vele be tween the pu:chafers nad the Chasice:ior of the Exchcap ler for :he time b..iq; t! , ..it a note feat by the Chancellor of the Eva.;:eipt. v w U.e Bank of I,:igl.md, tea's:.! I.l', cont.riui.). low• eft price at which he c • difpoil: o f th e ; that this note was not to be opened mail the , gain was coveladed. Thve par ies, ht faid, waited upon him to bid Ltrthe Lottery, but, from the realties ahead:. Hated. they were all below the price he had determillw ko fell it at, he therefore declined doling vat)) them; hut the payti-:s begged permiffiiia to ronfult trgether, to on his part, they returned with a C. - Ai proposM, which he coldidered it li;‘, dot• to the public, un der all the circomilances, to accept. The price agreed up , n was fourteeu pounds and 'ipence for etch Ticket. lie had the tatisfaaion to be allured by the Governor and Deputy Governor of the Bank, after the baq.ain was concluded, that it was not, under :all circuronances, a difadvaot ous one for the public. Mr. Addington th_!:l en tered into a detail of the different price, of Lot teries (ince the year t 703, to thew that this was not on the whole, a difolvantageous bargain, and concluded by moving, that tfie firm of 701,2501. bezaifed by way of Lottery," which was agreed to, and the report ordered to bc received to-morrow. COMMITTEE OF SECRECY. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHr (Lyra brought up certain communications received from his Ma- jetty, entitled "Copies of Extracts of Papers which relate to the State of Ireland, and the proceedings i of certain fetlitious and difaffeded perfons in both parts of the United Kingdom." The title of the Communications having been read by the Clerk ; The CHANCELLOR of the Excatolika addrefred the Houk shortly to the following cited Sir, As the tide of the papers which now lie on the table futficiently defiribe the nature and objed of the information they contain, it k my duty &only to call the attention of the Houfe to them, without entering into the particular details which they may hereafter afford. It will no doubt be recolle&ed, that when leave was given to bring in a Bill for the Supprellion of Rebellion in Ireland, it was ex peeled by Gentlemen, that fatisfadory grounds and documents for the adoption of that meafure would be laid before the Houle. Certainly, Sir, fuch an emit-dation was proper and Parliamentary, and if it was not gratified in that particular in fiance, the difappointment could only be attributed to the bong neceffity of the cafe, and to the prcf ling urgency of the moment. It was that necetlity and that urgency which induced the Houfe to pro ceed without the documents required by the Gen tlemen to whom I allude. In prefenting the pa pers which have been received from his Majelly, my great purpofe is to fatisfy the Houfe as to the propriety of reviving the Bill againft Sedition and dififfedion. It is in order to prevent the dangers likely to arife from that part of the country con nected with the foreign and internal enemy, whole favourite object is the fubverlion of the Conflitu tion, and the defirudion of focial order, that his Majelly has ordered thefe papers to be laid before the Houfe. After what has already happened, it is not necelrary for me to trouble Gentlemen with a recital of the horrors which the malignant and reliefs fpirit that has already troubled the country, may produce, unlefi carefully watched. lam the more induced to prefi this confideration upon the attention of the Houle, becaufe that fpirit has not been able to refill the temptation of taking advan tage of the geuerai difirefs and calamity, and of allying itfelf with misfortune, for the foie purpofe of promoting its own unprincipled and delperate views. It is not my intention to go minutely into the particulars of the information which the papers contain, as they will be bell ditiaiffed hereafter ; and it is enough for me now to fay, that his Ma jefiy's Minifiers are poffeffed of fufficient commu nications on the fubjed, to jallify them in calling for the invelligation of the Houfe. I (ball, there fore, without troubling Gentlemen any longer, move, that the papers be referred to the considera tion;if a Committee. It is not for me to anticipate the decision which may take place in confequence of the grounds that arc contained in thefe docu ments ; and I therefore move, " That the papers this day prefented to the Houfe, be referred to a Committee." Mr. Titters. Paid, he did not rife to oppofe the motion which was ilia made : but he could not help expreSing his furprize and concern, that, up on that part at kali of the communication which related to the people of this country, there was not a direa Meirage to the Houfe from his Majefty.— Such a proceeding would be fatisfaaory and grate ful to the Houfe, and he was lorry it was not done ; particularly fo, when it mull be within the recollation of every Gentleman in that Houfe, that the Right Hon. Gentleman who lately retired from office had, in one of his late fp,:cches, extol led the loyalty of the people of England, and ex prefred his gratitude to them for the exemplary patience with which they bore all the difirefres oc calioned by the high price of every necell'ary of life. He was, therefore, furprifed that the cha nt:ler of the people of England &mid be painted in the light it was by the present communication, without Tome better authority on which the Houfe could rely. With refpeet to that part of the com munication which related to Leland, he was hap py to find that an enquiry was to be gone into up- on the State of that Country ; bccaufe the Houle would not have to vote a fecond time for a Bill for ellabliaring Martial Law in a part of the iTn:ted Kingdom, merely on the assertions of Gentlemen who came from Ireland : he was confident thofe Gentlemen believed all their opinions to be cor rect ; but it was necell'ary to confider the impref fions under which they were delivered, before they could be admitted as fatisfaitory evidence of the real (late of Ireland. He hoped the enquiry that was about to be entered into would be a full enquiry ; and not a !tally and precipitate Rep to wards tarrying any particular mature into effea. Ile hoped the Members of the Committee would be taken hum the tn.f. 01 Howl., and that they would mala. a !lilt ae.l y ri port.-- With regaid to able diftflC .! cXIII ill En:;1:411j, C , ol!ti IRA Bull, 1: 1 ) faqir& at the coin:lam:vat ion he had 1, .vel a eel he hoped the It epeit the teminiitee 55,,e1.1 thee. that his Ml.oftets lad taken tip an en• g, minded .1: , Lo t d • re lie era' to fie,: dalerer.c.! et • ei'eicei pi.t all a. Io pail cf . the emilmy whiel, related to tte1.:1,,!. the Islll for contititting Matt,el Lie ~, that cettetry, his M:ije(ly's Nliniitei e exti enieiy &foe hle that an enquiry eew p ro poied flee tlei be gone into, in erelo to in prele the flutile 1111 , )re itromely with the. neeeti:i e :ne.tfut but n: Maieity's Miiii!lers were not tieei feet I ill (lit feia., Which had nee cote,: to t; latotel_eige ; aati as that Bill was to have ....pit eel fie they 'Bout ht the authority of the Parlia mtnt rat he: eel, Which had pa lett that .1 `t, to ge•her te ith the oethnony of to 711.01) Gentlemen trent that teem y, to be a luific: yeeeeld for continuing its ditr:den her three months longer. hopeci as att.( etly as the Hon. Gentleman who fpcet lath, that it would appear there was no ; ground for going into an (-wintry concerning tine praaices of diftffieded petiole. in England ; for he muff exprefs the p., , reat tatisfation he felt, then he retieded that :melt! the moil unexampled di:I: els 1 and difficulty o.:calioned by the (Caton,- of every 1 neceffitry of life, thete never was a period when the people manifefled filch patience under their fuffering,difplayed more loyalty to their Sovereign, or more love for the Conflittnion of their countr . ,. But unfortunately it happened, that in the courte of the IA two months certain difaffeded pert - ens, I who had never 101 l light of the plans they had formed fin. the dearudion of the country; taking advantage of the diffreffes oc the times, were car rying on pradices that were highly dangerous, and required Ipeedy and efficacious mcafures for fop preffinn. For the truth of his ilatements he could appeal to thole Memliers who came from certain populous dittrids of this country, whether the prac tices he alluded to did not exiff. His islajefty, there tore, thought it proper to make a communication of papers relating to thole prat ices to the Houle ; and therefore the Houle could not do otherwife than refer them, puriliant to the praaice ufiiaily obferved, to a Committee. He Ihould rejoice more than any man in that Hotife, if it should appear, on inquiry, that none of thole evils of which a repre fentation had been made to his Majesty, did exiff ;. and that confequently there was no neceCGty for meafttres of precatttion. But Gentlemen mull re coiled that the titivation of this country was owing to the prudent measures which Parliament had al ways adopted whenever a cats had been made out of the real exiffence of danger ; and if any tuck danger or neceffity Ihnuld appear to exiff now, he was fure the Hume would have recourfe to &natty' • precautions. Mr. PITT--.-" Sir, I fee no difference of opinion with retina to the prefent motion, and indeed, it is not potlible that any difference of opinion could rein, when we are calicil upon to take into con tideration communications from his Majefiy, which appear to relate to the Gritty Of the country. I thould not detain the Houle by offering any obler vations upon the fubjea, if the Hon. Gentleman had not alluded to a lentiment I formerly uttered, he forgetting at the fame time the Wages and opinions by which thatfentiment was accompanied. I have uniformly exprelled a deep fentiment of gratitude to the great bulk of the people, not only for the loyalty but alfb for the unexampled pa tience they have contiantly manilelled amid the sharers occafioned by the vilitation of unfavous• able feafons. But the allufion made by the Hon. Gentleman is nothing more than the ufnal min rept eleotat ion carried on in this Houle throughout the whole of ten years, when the praftices of foul and treatimable confpiracy were at work. I have been always grateful to the great mafs of the people, for the extraordinary merits they have dd. played, and if, in addition to the patience they have evinced, we mention their loyalty and affec tion to their Sovereign ; it would be fingular were we, as a return for their laudable condua, to hand them over to the machinations of a com paratively (mall but delperate fit of men, always ready to avail themfelves of every cirettmllanee of diffrels and difficulty. The bell mode to Phew our gratitude to them is, I conceive, to oppofe thole dangerous principles, which cannot exitt here without bringing . to our minds the horrors which have taken place m Ireland, and occurred in a great part of Europe. With recsea to the fads contain ed in the papers, which have happened fence my departure from office, I cannot pretend to any knowledge of the particulars ; but it cannot be a furprife to me to be told that the difaffeaed are at this moment availing themfelves of the difficul ties and difireffies of the country, for I know it to be a part of the nature and fpirit of facobinifm, to ally itfelf, as my Right Honourable Friend ob ferved, with diftrefs, to make misfortune the fore runner of deflruaion, and confummate the ruin of the country. I have traced there effeas in every country of Europe where Jactiiiinilm ob tained a footing ; I have traced them in this, up to the period when I retired from his Majeffy's lervice, Co far Was . I from Rating, as it had been thrown out, that this mifeltievous and malignant tirit had been changed. If the Honourable Gentleman willies for further ilaisfadion and confutation, he has nothing more to do but to re fer to the Meeting of Parliament before Clut id nets. which was affembled for the purpofe of Ale viatiug the diftrefs produced by the tearcltv. He will there find, in the Ipeech delivered by . his Majcfly e awing exprellions of indi : ;natien at the pro dices of thole dilaffided perfons who were always ready to take advantage of the unavoidable misfortunes of the mars of the community. I have never fence had occa;ion to ckatage my opinion, fit that the charge of incontinency as altogether unfupport ed. It would, indeed, be abfur.: to neglea tions necedary to prevent the attempts made to difturb the great mars of the people in the en. joyment of thofc bleillngs which the wifdons of Parliament has in every emergency ettdea rourfd to retain and fecure. Sir, I beg par.