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of the Univerfities ; or, whether, and how far the number of livings may, with reference to the im portant objects they all had in view, be increafed.— The refult of his own experience on part of the fub jai was, that under the prefent limitation, the num kr of livings was too (mall ; in what proportion, and in what manner there fhould be increafed, was matter for ferious confederation. • . Lord AUCKLAND confeffed. that i n his prefent view of the fubjett, he was, generally (peaking, fa vourably difpofed towards the Bill, as he was to every thing that proceeded from the Rev. Prelate who introduced it ; however, he thought Come degree of information on the fubjedt neceffary, at at prefcnt they were totally in the dark as to the Means which the Univerfities now poffelfed of remunerating their members. as to the number and value of the livings, in their difpofal, or other refources for that purpofe. fie Ihould therefore fuggeft the expediency of the in- Immation Inch as he alluded to. The Bithop of OXFORD replied at fome length, enlarged upon and enforced the leading topics which he before urged in favour of the Bill, which, however, he had not the fmalleft with to hurry through the Houfe. He would appeal to their Lord flips as to the great importance of education, to which the prefent Bill went to afford a boon ; one which the Legiflature of the country fhould not grant with a niggardly hand. He was impreffed with the convieim that the Bill would produce the molt fa lutary and defirable effeas ; and, adverting to what had fallen from Noble Lords on the (core of modifi cation, he hoped that priitciple would not be too far seed upon. Lord Vifcount SIDMOUTH, in explanation, indi cated his attachment to the genuine interefts of lear. sling, and obferved, that his idea was, that were the limitation taken away, the fucceffion to livings, in tome inaances, might be ton rapid. He concluded by propciing, that the Committee on the Bill be de ferred till Tuefday next. The Duke of NORFOLK explained, that he was not againfi all alteration of the prefent fyilem. He was too well aware of the importance of education ; but he entirely coincided with the Noble Baron in his idea, that fome information Ifhould be laid before the Node, as to the proportion, number, and value of the livings. The Biftop of OXFORD explained, as to fome difficulties in obtaining an accurate account of the value of the livings in queQion. The Duke of NORFOLK in farther explanation, contended for the neceffity of tome information on the fubjeft. with which idea te was In far impreffed, as to procrfe, in order to allow full time to collea it, that the Committee on the Bill thould be poltponed untill Thutfdav, the zd May. • Lrrd REDESDALE (Chancellor of Ireland), argued for the propriety of hating information upon the fuhjea, to enable the Houle to form a lull deci fion upon the fubjefl, and to purfue the right line of difcriminatinn. lie agreed with the islo:t:e and Learn ed Lord on the Woollack as to the different impor tant queftions which the fubjeft involved. He was aware of the difficulties which, in Come points of view, exifled, as with refpcit to procuring fatisfadoty in formation ; but what the Houfe would have princi pally to confider was the general policy of the meat fare, and to what extent it might be expedient to authorife the conveyance of livings from private pa tronage to that of the Univerfitics, and the proper ratio, as far as fuch was predicable, to be ellablilhed with refpelt to thefucceffions. After fume farther explanatory converfation be tween the Duke of Norfolk, Vifcount Sidmouth, and Lord Auckland, the Committee on the Bill WAS ad beurned till Thurfday next, and the Lo r d s ord ere d to fummoned for that day. NAVAL DOCUMINTS. Lord Vifcount MELVILLE prefented a variety of Naval documents and accounts, which were thofe ordered by the Huufe, on his Lordlhip's motions on a former evening. They were laid upon the Table, and ordered to be printed. The Earl of DARNLEY brought forward his pro. ailed motions on this fubjed ; thefe he defcribed to the Houfe in a fpeech of force length. The motions were for the produltion of a great variety of Naval Accounts and Documents, many of which were found. ed on thofe moved for by a Noble Vilconnt, and pro• duced as above (fated; which he thought, in feveral inftances, by no means went far enough for the full illuntation of the fubjed, with a view, coupled with the detached accounts, moved for by his Lortfiltip, to ellablifit and fuhilantiatc, as he contended, the !TA:!- ing pofitions advanced by him when he fief intro duced the fobjcet. Of the impolicy, extravagance, and injurious tendency of having recourfe to the mer chants in preference to the Royal Dock yards; theca /lability of the King's yards, under a proper fylien; of management, of fully anfweting the demands of the Royal Navy ; and building therein a great number of Mips annually ; and the injurious conlequences which were likely to enl'ue from the departure of the pre fent Board of Admiralty from the wife and falutary fyftem laid down by their predeceifors in office. The accounts moved for by his Lordfhip necetrarily em braced a variety of Naval details, and included nearly the whole economy of the Royal Dock yards. With a reference to a controlled view of the condua ofboth I3oards of Admiralty, many of the motions were for accounts from the Bth of March, sBo2, to the r;th of May, 'So}, in which interval the late Board of Admiralty officiated. He difdained all perfonal mo• tives in thus coming forward. His object was purely the public welfare and fafety, by endeavouting to 'brow light upon a queftion of great national import ance, and which conid hereafter be taken up and ar gued by perfo ns ev id ent ly more competent t h an hi m• lf. He concluded by formally propoting the fira motion in his firing, which was, "for an Account of all Ships fitted out and refitted for the Service of the Royal Navy, from the Bth of March, I Soo, to the ssth of May, Igo} "—On the quellion being put-- Lord Vifcaunc MELVILLE Paid, if the Noble Lord cook' prove fatisfaeorily that the Navy of this Country could be kept up in time of Wac, with out having recourfe to merchants yards, it would be one of thc !limit:ll days in his (Lord Melville's) life. Prom the ea:licit period of this being a Naval Court • try to the prefent time, it had been found abfolutely mecefrary to build in merchants yards, forthe purpofe of keeping up the Navy ; and if by any new and happy arrangement, or mode of employment of the men in the King's Yards, it could be found that thofe Yards were amply faffuicnt during all periods, not only to repair the wear and tear of our Navy,- bat alto, as the Noble Lord hid Rated, to build ten new (hips every year, the man who made fuch a difcovery, would be richly entitled to be confidered a benefactor to his country. The Papers which he moved for on a former evening, and the greaten part of which he had nqw laid on the Table, went direftly to. the point on which the Noble Lord had laid fo mulch Reefs, namely, the building King's (hips in Merchant Yards, as they proved that this fyltem had been reforted to by every Board of Ad miralty, from the earrest period down to the hour at which he was addreffing their Lordfhips ; a fyftem which they had all along been coinpelled to retort to in times of difficulty and of war, in order to keep up the Navy. if, thet efore, he was culpable on this head, he was culpable in common with all h 4 predeceffors. With refped to what the Noble Lord had laid rela tive to a new method of claffing the men it the Dock yards,by which it was alerted much more work might be done ; he wiffied to obferve, that the fubjed had been for fome time under confidenttion. It was a fubjed, however, on which there was great difference , of opinion among( thofe who were the bell informed with refpeft to Naval matters ; it was contended by. fume, in oppotition . to the idea of claffing the able workmen, thole who w ere l e f s a bl e , an d t h o f e who were fill leis able, into diflind gangs, that the able muff, in that cafe, frequently be idle until the reft had finifhed their talks. it was Rated alio, that, by dal ling workmen of different degrees of tirength and ac tivity, together in one gang, that as there were parts of a (hip which required in the workmanfhip a greater or lets exertion of bodily ftrength,that each man might be let upon that which was molt [tilted to him, and thus all might finiffi their talk together. The idea of arranging the men in a different manner to that which had been contantly ufed was fuggefted about fifteen months fence by the mailer builder of Plymouth Dock Yard. It had been for fume time under confidera tion—ht had devoted to it a confidrable degree of at tention—he had not yet made up his mind upon the fubjed, or at lea, whatever might be his opinion, he would not prefume to (late it to their Lordfhips, without Rill further inveiligation ; but the fad was, that the pratical refult of the examination, which was now going on, with refped to the comparative bene. fits to be derived from the two modes of employing the men in the Deck Yards, would be forthcoming before the Papers moved for by the Noble Lord could poffilily be laid upon the table. Under there circumstances, therefore, all he athed was, that the Noble Lord would delay making his motions until the inveftigation he had alluded to was concluded, and its pradical refult afcertained. If that re (tilt coincided w.th the opinion of the Noble Lords, there would, of midi, be no neceffity for the mo tions ; if not, it would (till be open for the Noble Lnrd again to bring forward the fubjed. He would only fay, that after having come to a determination, upon the tubjed, founded upon accurate and careful examination, he would all upon that determination, let it operate againft the prejudices of whom it might. With Tanta to fome of the Noble Lord's motions, he would find them, upon examining the Papers laid on the table, to be included in thofc papers. There was another feu ions nbjellion which he had to the mo tions of the Noble L- rd, and which arofe out of the interruption which the preparation of them would give to the bisfinefs of the offices from whence they mull come, and the time which would be occupied in getting them ready. His Lordthip here read a letter from the Secretary of the Navy Board of whom enquiry had been made for that purpofe, Rating, that the Papers intended to be moved for by Lord Darn ley, could not be got ready in lefs than three months. Under all thefe circumstances, he expreffed his deter mination to oppofe the motions. The Duke of CLARENCE would not long tref pals on the Houle, but he thought it incumbent on him to fay a few words in fupport of a motion of which he was proud to be the father. He was fur prifed that the Secretary of the Navy Board Ihould write the letter which the Noble Lord Rated to have received, or that three months Ihould be required for the produftion of papers, which were neceflary for the dituflion of one of the molt important ques tions that was ever fubmitted to that Houfe. He could not refrain, however, even in that Rage of the Wines, from declaring, that if any deviation Ihould take place from the fyltem laid down by Lord St. N'incent, it was both fallacious and erroneous. In the merchant-yards, the pradice had long prevailed of flvaling the Shipwrights, and it was the with of that great charader, that the pradice, which had b-:en found fo advantageous, Ihould be introduced and e fablilhed in the King's yards. Lord DARNLEY congratulated their Lordfhips and the country, that the lyftem introduced by the late Board of Admiralty was under confideration, for its merits were filch, that he entertained a confi dent hope that it would be adopted. He was happy to hear fuch a declaration fall from the Noble Lord at the head of the Naval Department, for it was ge nerally uneerflood that he, and thofe united with him in Adrninitration, came in with the determina tion to refit all the falutary regulations of the late Board of Admiralty. The firtt motion was then pat and negatived. It was moved, that the reit of the feries Ihould be read (port, which being done accordingly, they were all rejeded.—Adjourned till Monday. HOME OF COMMONS. Mr. ABERCROMBIE brought up a BiH to enlarge the Powers of the Corporation of the Officers o 6 Excife in Scotland ; and a Bill to raife a fern of money tor enlarging the Harbour of Leith; which were read a Bra time. The Edinburgh Police Bill was read a third time and paffed. The American Treaty Bill paffed through a Committee, and the Report was ordered to be received on Monday. The French and Spanlib Trade Licence Bill was read a fccond time, and ordered to be read a third time on Monday. ,Mr. STURGES BOURNE brought up the Report of the Fo- reign Ships Bill, and :he Neutral Ships Trade Bill, which wcre ordered to be read a third time on Monday. Mr. DORIF.N MAGENS moved for an Account of all Dollars Blued by the Bank of England, to the lateft period that the fame eau be made op. Mr. ALEXANDER brought op the Report of the Committee on the Spanißt Wines MI, which was (uttered to be read a third time on Monday. Mr. BROOKE raid, be mould take a future opportunity tourer fume übjedtton, againft the lull. .... ... . _ _ The Ways and Means and Supply were put off to Monday. The Id& Spirits Permit Bill was read a brit, and ordered to be read a feeend time. Mr. FOSTER brought up the frith Promitfory Notts Bill, which being read a Brit time, Mr. Lee gave notice of a Chyle in Committee to enable Coun try Bankers In Ireland to iffne Prosniffory Note* of ti. anti AL the WIN as &lig Country 8e 11141411 is Bnglao4. The Bill was ordered to be read a fccond time on Midday, the ath of April next. . A Merage from the Lords acquainted the H00f..., that their Lordfhips had agreed to the Legacy Duty Bill. The Ira Excite Duty Bill was ordered to be read a third dine on Monday neat. The Bill for afcertaining the Rights of Common in Ireland, was brought in, ordered to be printed, and read a fecund time on the titof May mat. .fo , Lord Cornwallis's Governor Generallblp Bill was brought in, rod a Brit dime, and ordered to be read a fecond time. 131.110 F MAN. Mr. CREEVEY rare, agreeable to the nail% he gave yeltertlaY, for the purpofe of moving for the produeliolt of the proceedings of the Privy Council, in confequence of the application of the Doke of Athol, for a compenfatiun for the relinquithment of his feudal rights in the Me of Man, in 176 e. Mr. ROSE gated, chat he was perfectly coma In the opinion he gave yetterday, that no tech order of the Privy Cowicil as that moved for by an Hun. Gentleman (Mr. Creevey) ycfterday, ex ifted. The prefent motion was likely to give the necelfary infor mation. There was no intention in his Majeity's Minilters to withhold any information that could conduce to the fatisfaCtion of I the Houle, of which no better roof could be given than the readi- Ws they had &Ewa In producing the variety of Papers moved for by the Houfc.--The motion was now agreed to. Mr. CREEVEY übferved, that the names of the Privy Council , were omitted in the Paper he had moved for relative to the pro ceedings upon the nuke of Athol's Claim in the Ifle of Man. Mr. ROsE. laid, that the million should be corrected. REDUCTION OF THE IRISH MILITIA. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQJJER brought forward his promifed motion for reducing the Militia of Ireland, by a draught from it.of two fifths of its number. This meafure was very much of the complexion of that before the Houk for re ducing the Engliffi and Scots Militia ; only that it difered in thole peculiarities which, driftly to (peak, belonged to the local fituation of Ireland, and, in many refpeCts, its dinina, though fubordinate, local regulations. It was true , t h at I re l an d R ood in need of - all the fecurity that could be given to its pofition by an adequate force, yet it would doubtlefs occur to Gentlemen, that his Maicily's Miniders had not overlooked the exigenc:es f,f that part of the United Kingdom, as it was intended to replace the two•fifths to be taken from the hint Militia as fpeedily as prac ticable; as, in &el, orders had been fent to Ireland for that purpofe, he did not apprehend that any op pofition would be given to the meafure, from a notion that its completion would injure the•fecurity of Ire land. Betides, he was very much of opinion, that the mealure wculd tend to remove Tome of the local im pedients that at prefent obliruet the tilling up of the vacancies in the Irdh Militia ; for when the number the Bill thould mile would be drafted into the line, the recruiting for the line wooll be materially fuf pended. The men fhall enlift into the regular forces, lubjeft to the fam e regu l at i ons as thole from the Mi litia of Great Britain : of courfe, he fhould include in the Irifh Bill the amendment in the Engli(b for granting a power to his Majefly to align to the Ar• tillery and Royal Marines, what proportion of the men he tbould think fit. The Irifb Militia con% of about t z,OOO, or rather 12,000 is the number at which it would Rand by AEt of Parliament, if com plete, and he expeeted an accellion of from 4000 to 5000 men to the Regular Forces from that Militia. Having thus prefaced his motion, he concluded by moving for leave to bring in a bill for allowing a certain proportion of the Militia of Ireland to cilia into his Majetly's Regular Forces, into battalions of the Artillery, and divifions cf . the Royal Marines. Sir JOHN NEWPORT thought it impolitic to reduce the hid: Militia, Ireland being, perhaps, the molt vulnerable part of the Empire. He had never been, and never expeeted to be, a Militia Officer, dill he did believe, that the Gentlemen of Ireland would be difgulled to find themfelv es ca ll e d on to b ecome Recruiting Officers of the Line. The Irifh Gentle men would be degraded by the Bill. Lord DE BLAQIHERE approved the Many people thought, that the Irith Militia would he b-tter employed any where than in their own country. He did not like to hear the Gentlemen of Ireland talked of as crimps, and recruiting ferjcants. Sir JOHN NEWPORT rote to older. He had never mace ufe of the word crimp; what he Paid re lated to Officers. The SPEAKER informed the Hon. Baronet, that what he was now Rating was in explanation, and not on a point of order. He could not rife in explana tion, until the Noble Lord concluded his fpeech. Lord DE BLAQIJIERE returning, obferved, that his Honourable Friend and himfelf would have many opportunities to talk over thefe things (a laugt). The words of the Honourable Baronet amounted, in their effeet, to thefe he had ufed. He would be the tali in the world to impute to any man fentiments that he did not entertain, or put in his mouth words that he had not uttered. He denied that the Bill could have the effed to degrade the Irtlh Gentlemen. th,.thought it a float fubliantial meafure. Mr. BASTARD was of opinion, that if the men were to have the option to go into the Marines, they would prefer that fervice ; in confequence of which the acquifition to the Line would be trivial. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER Paid, the Bill, like that for Great Britain, only con ferred on his Majetty a power to q "im, if he fhould think fit, a certain proportion of the men into the artillery and marines; but gave the men no option whatever. General TARLETON expreffed his admiration of the Irilh Militia, and from his obfervations, when a Runt while in a command in Ireland, he could al lure the Houfe, that the Irifh were a people who very quickly and dexteroufly acquired the ufe of arms. A converfation now took place between Mr. CAL CRAFT, Sir GEORCR HILL, Earl TBDIPLI, and Mr. ALAXANDIA, in the progrefs of which it was afferted and denied, that that (pecks of force in Ireland, called a Militia, is no Militia. The Houfe difpofed of this converfation by agreeing to the motion for leave to bring in the Bill. BRITISH MILITIA REDUCTION BILL. The Houfe entered on the reconfideration of the Report of the above Bill. the CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER brought up feveral claufes of local regulation and de tail, which were agreed to. Mr. BANKS propofed a claufe for refcinding from the Bal, that for the intsoduaioa of the ballot ittcer lain cafes. A converfation took place between Mefris. BAN ag, WILBERFORCE, PITT, and CANNING, and Sirs R. BUTTON and J. PULTM NCY, when the motion for bringing up the clauf: was negatived without a di vifiun.—The Bill was now ordered to be read a third time on Monday next. The Bill, with the amend ments, was ordered w be priated..Adjourned. LONDON. SATURDAY, MARCH 3c. PRICE OP STOCKS THIS DAY AT OW. O'CLOCItt Conf. for money 58ii —fur acc. 581% —Omnium 31i DURI . MARCH per C. Guy. Dpi, 8814 Eichange—Dublin on London This morning arrived a Mail from New York, brought to Falmouth by the Leicefier Packet. We have received Paris Journals to the 211 t and Dutch Journals to the 27th. The latter announce the confirmation, by the Le giflative Body, of the propnfal of the State Diredory, refpeeting the new Conititution, and the mode of Offing M. SCHIMMFLPENNINCR, in confequence of his cone d'efire from Paris. That grand penfionary is ordered to be chofen betv ten the 9th and 16th of neat month. The Paris Gazettes mention the death of Admiral Barra ; and the approaching chritlening of the in fant Narot.soN-Louis, by the hands of the Holy Father. The Sovereign Pontiff, it is laid, will be allowed to recrofs the Alps, after this ceremony, and will pats the Eafler week at Lyons, on his journey. The 3foniteur contains a letter from Lord HARROW. BY to Lord G. L. GOWER (which BONAPARTE has come by as hone(lly as his Crown), if the 4th No. veinber, 1804, in which that Miniflor is made to cr. prers himfelf, in rather a fingular manner, upon the (late and profped of Continental politics. He rup pores the demand of two millions flerling of fubfidy tot twenty•five thoidand men to have been made Co enormous by the King of SWEDEN, in order to get rid of the Englifb overture. He thinks the Court of Vienna requires a powerful fl imulus, and doubts whe ther Rutfia will give any denionfirations of aelivity. His Lordlhip all() mentions a in fribility of the Cabi net of Berlin acceding to the views of that power. Scarcely any thing mote audacious has been at tempted, than the infertion, in an Official Gazette, of a letter taken by violence from a Meffenger of State in a neutral country, by the foldiers of BONA PART!. The public will recollect the circumflances of the robbery, which is at lel avowed by its author, and the flolen property unhlu(hiagly produced ! The KING has bevi pleated to confer the honour of Knighthood on Mr. now Sir MANASSA DAWE: ; previous to his departure f r Tortola, to which Bland he has been appointed Attorney General, by the Go vernor and Council. It it General CHARLES FITZROY, brother to Lord SOUTHAMPTON, and not I. , )rd CH 00.1.FS FITZROY, who is Appointed to the Colonelc of the zgth Aegi ment of Foot, in the room of the late Lord GEORGR Lummox. The StR Regiment of Font .1.-ol , irkeel on Thurf day morning lall, on board four tranfpom, in Stone- Houle Pool, Plymouth, for Portim.uth, from which they will proceed to a foreign Ration. The Boulogne flotilla have again begui,to venture into the outer Roads. On Wetinefday about tgo of their gun-boats and large praants m :de their appear ance in the outer Roads, where they praelifed fome manceuvres, but took care to keep ender the pro : teelion of their battcrits. There Appear to be 2000 veffels of different fines in Botiloaot H.trbour. Ytflerday a 0 urt of Directors was held at the EaR India Houfe, when JAMES Pam sow, Efq. took the oaths and his feat as a Direelor ' and was appointed to the Committee of Shipping Deo trtment. Captain W. EDMEADSS ottoe N. S. in the room of the Kent Rationed for Madras, and Captaio !lasses of the Ann, were fwcrr, into the commal,d of th c ;r refpeelive (hips. The Fcv cutter which arrived yeßerday at Yar mouth, from Helvoetflnys, has brought over Capt. DENHOLIA, one palfenger, and the crew, of the Mary of London, laden with c'tttsn and turn, ftorn De merara, which was wrecked off G.iree, in the month of December hall. Thefe people complain vet y much of the treatment they experienced during their im prifonment, having nothing allowed them to live on but white and grey peafe, Rockall, and rye bread.— They Rate alto that there are very few French troops in Holland; that the Dutch detelt Bomaraarr, by whole means they have been reduced to such a date that they have neither trade nor motley, and that they are anxioufly hoping that the Northern Powers will unite and make an effort to rid them of their tyran nical matters. The _Wort frigate, and DRA K E (loop of war, with the fleet (about 70 fail) under convoy, f a il e d from Cork on the 23d inft. for the Well Indies. The Lnrds Commiffinters of the Admiralty have been pleafed to order Lord GARDN Es to fend out fri gates to cruize for the protection of the homeward bound Leeward Ifland fleet. PLYMOUTH, MARCH 28.—Came in the MALTA, Of 84 guns, and the TERRI 'LP, of 74, from a ctuize off Ferrol : it is faid that the farmer has been row hly handled by the batteries at Ferrol. Came in from the Eaflward, and failed again to the Weilward, the RIVOLUTIONNAIRB, of 44 ;tins. YARMOU TN, MARCH z9.—This morning failed the ST. ALBANS, and the ANTELOPE, of 5o guns each, for the Coall of Holland. Arrived the FAVOURITE cutter from Mend, and the FLY cutter from Hel voetfluys.—Paffed through feveral fail of light col liers.—Wind S. W. with fleet. PORTSMOUTH, MARCH 29.--9. tiled elf CSICHES TER man of war with a Beet under convoy for the Downs. Wind S. W. DEAL, Mattes 29.—Sailed the Acute gun brit, on r. ciuEze of the French coalt.--Arrived the Cygnet !loop of war, from a cruise, and remains in the Downs with tke reit of the (hips as per L.R. —Wind S. W. GRAVESEND, MARCH 29.—P.tfred by the Richard, Smith, from Trinidad; Atirca, Marem, and the . 17.iliow de from Embden.—Sailed the Jane, Gelik. for ; Ellen, 'Whiner, and the Orion, Evans, for Co: - k ; our, Jones, for Dublin ; Geode Wcrwagtiii. —, for Tonni,•, , en; G re Hoff- Bung, Abrahams, and the jutfrow Teykaas, Sasliiitf, for Embden. ARRIVED.--.lt Brltlol, Gallant Schemer, —, from Surinam ~At. Ifabella, lock it;, ft-cm Brittol; Mary, Bunkell ; Jane, Jump; and William and Mary, Bird, from Africa—At Gahoon, Agnes, Brown, from Liverpoot. The Eurydice, Champion; and the gLicen Charlotte, Clark, from Surinam for Loudon, are arrived at Scilly; they parted from ' the Lord Forbes, and fifteen fail of the &CLAM the morning of the ail loft. && ell weft of Scuiy.