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-,. { F t, I IL Transactijagitilte Ltterey.Society o. 111. Missions in and Serampore Establishment. IV., Memoranda of a Voyage on the Ganges. V. Hindu Vice*. VI. Itoetuck's Persian and llindoostliaill Proverbs. VII. Translation of the libigavata (continued). VIII. Ore fur Atheists. IX. Waite% Literature and Science QUA IMO L ItStintilt. I. Historical Sketch. 11. Nliscelistieons Asiatic Intelligence. . 11 L Births, Marriages, and Deaths. Sold by T. ami G. Underwood, 39., Fleet-street ; of whom may be had, No. L and 11. withstanding the increase of population. If the Chancellor of the Exchequer.wonld look at this article as he bid done with regard to spirits.lbe ;Weida be conferring a great time& upon, Ireland. Sir I. COFFIN mid, that the duty of 800 per cent. upon To bacco, had the effect of demoralising the lower classes in Ireland more than any other cause. After a few words from Colonel Fours, the Petitleo was ordered to be printed. Mr. LAMBTON said, that his Hon. and Learned Friend, the. Member for Winchelsea, had been misre presented in one of those vehicles with which the poblic was fa voured, called the Tinter Newspaper, upon the subject of the Corn Laws. Ile was made to say that the whole of the Calm of Der- I ham was adv'erse to any alteration of those laws. What be did say was, that thi agricultural part of the county entertained that feeling. This he (Mr. L.) believed to be true ; but that there were others in the county who thought differently, he was glad to he able to prove by the Petition he held in his hand, which was signed by 65Z of the inhabitants of the parish, of Srnallwell, in that county. Mr. NEWMAN said, that from the great number of. Petitions presented yesterday, praying that no altera tions should be made in the Corn Laws, be did not wonder that some mistakes had bean, made. A Petition which he presented from the South of Devon was represented to bate that prayer, whereas it expressed the willingness of the Petitioners .to go into bquiry, and only required due protection.-The Petition was or dared to he 'printed. Mr.- S. WORTLEY presented four Petitions from a Pariah in the County of Fife, relating to the confinement of Mr. Robert Gourlay.—Ordered to be printed. Mr. HUNI4 presented two Petitions from the Fustian Cutters of Manchester, and the Seamen of Whitby, praying to be heard be fore the Committee on the Combination Laws. , Mr. 11UME defended the former Committee; and said that the ferment now existing among the workmen, arose from their alarm lest the old laws relative to Combinations should be re-enacted.— Referred to the Committee. Mr. HOME presented a Petition from the Fishermen of Cro many, against the. Fish Companies BilL—Ordered to be printed. Mr. HUeIE presented a Petition from Collumpton, in Devon shire, praying a revision of the Cum Laws. Mr. M ABERLY said, that if Gentlemen suffered the measures of Government relating to commerce to pass, they must not be surprised if every one connected with manufactures should de mond an alteration in the Corn Laws.—The Petition was ordered to be printed. • Mr. HUME moved for a Return of a Copy of the Charter granted by James the First to the Apothecaries'Company.-Ordered. Mr. LA WI.EY presented a Petition from Birmingham corn plaining of the effects of the Repeal of the Combination L aws.— I Referred to the Committee. The County Rates Mortgage Bill was read a second time, and ordered to be committed on Monday. The Report of the Recovery of Small Debts (Scotland) Bill was . received, and the Bill ordered to be read a third time on Monday. GAMS LAWS. Mr. S. WORTLEY moved the third reading of the Game Laws mu. SirJ. SHELLEY said, that he did not think the ne cessity for this measure had been fairly made out, either by the Hon. Member for Yorkshire, or the Right Hon. Secretary of State for the Home Department. Me looked upon this Bill as bestowing advantages to the many, which were now the peculiar rights of the Landlord. It was a bad Bill, and he hoped the House would shew its consistency by throwing out the same measure in 1825 which if rejected in 1894. He should therefore move, 4 ‘ That the Bill be read a third time that day six months." Sir J. BRYDG ES said that he was opposed to the principle of the Bill, and there was nothing its its details, which rendered it at all more palatable. Instead of a measure for the preservation, it would prove a measure for the destruction of game; he shOuld therefore support the amendment. Mr. Foes opposed, and Mr. QUM supported the Bill. Mr. J. DOUGLAS said, that if the Bill was allowed to pass, the Chine would he annihilated throughout .the errantry. • Mr. H. SUMNER said that the Bill being once passed, the House could not recede, and he thought it calculated only to change the denomination of the existing evil. Mr. It. COLBURN looked at thii Bill in the same light as did his Hon. Friend who introduced it—that of diminishing crime. He admitted the inconsistencies and absurdities of the Game Laws, but any other branch of the Statutes, if examined, would perhaps prove equally defective. The tenants now preserved the Game for their landlords, and their landlords in return gave their tenants share of it, and in this ism her a good feeling subsisted between them—(Hear, hear). If he them& it would prevent crime, he should support the measure, but Wag of &different opinion, be should vote against the Bill. Mr. TENNYSON supported the Bill. Sir GEORGE CHET W YND objected to the Bill. By it, if a warrant were left in a man's own house, he was to be emesi 'dared in actual custody, and must deliver himself up to the sot Magistrate. Sir HUSSEY VIVIAN was aware of the evils of the existing law, but considered the proposed 811 ar likely to add to those evils. The operation of the !evl would be, in counties like Cornwall, to destroy every head of game. The consequence of this Bill would be to increase thf num bers of the consumers of Game over the whole country. He did not , think that it would diminish, much less put an end to poaching. The state of game in France afforded no illustrition, for there they in fact had no game. The evil, however, which he most deprecated was that on the Country Gentlemen, th e loss of one of whom would be. more injurious to the nation than all the mischief arising from poachers. It likewise went to destroy fox-bunting, and the first Captain of the age had declared that the most useful man in a cam paign was him who had been most expert in crossing the country. Mr. STUART WORTLEY conceived that all the evils ascribed to this Bill were precisely those which it was intended to correct. He admitted that the word " warrant" ought not to be found where it was, but it might be easily amended even in this• stage of the Bill. Ultimately be trusted the law might be opened so as to allow Gains to be sold like anything else. The House then divided, when the numbers were— For the Third healing For the Amendment . 94 . . . 69 . -45 Majority . The Dawes th en read a third time. • Ou the re-admission of strangers to the Gallery. we found Mr. STUART WORTLEY proposing thaw verbal amendments as a rider to the Bill, which were agreed to. Sir G EU ItGE CH KT W Y ND also proposed some verbal altera tions, which were agreed tw—The Bill was then liaised. PROVISION FOR VIZ CATHOLIC CLIIOY OP IRELAND. Lord F. L. GOWER ion for the purpose of moving a Resolution which would record the opinion of the Hon:4 " that it is expedient to make a provision to wards the maintenance of the Secular Clergy of Ireland. 14 since the period when he had given his notice, he had looked forward with anxiety, if not with appre hension, to the moment that had now arrived; if he had sometimes felt himself pledged to a task far be yond his humble powers, he could not help thinking that clocumstances had occurred which ould not tend to diminish his fears, or to tithe him nearer to a level with his undertaking. He had heard an Honourable Ind Learned Gentleman attribute to this question an rnportat.ce scarcely inferior to that of Catholic Ensan ipsciou ; but though he differed in degree, holding .hat a gecier4l measure was of higher magnitude than one of individual application, he nevertheless did not feel his confidence rase in proportion to the imps ession produced by such au Authority. He concurich how ever, with ti ode who held this question as one of con iderable imp; *lance, and be hoped to engage on his side ihetalents and e oqutnce of those with whom he could cia.m nothing in common but a very sincere de sire to promote the welfare of the sister country — (Hear, hear). If, indeed t . l e wanted light uporkthe boil,- rv, he had the :steal - action of knoviing, that he'cOuld . dim ......••••4.• ". ' • ' . • • • • . • • • • . , . -- - - , ~......, --.. 4 • - , • • ~,, iw • , ,s , ~..4 4 • .. _ . . . ...Soloed FORD resented a lftglitiggi frogs the . Mercian's. 01l ~ _ °Then, importers of Tuhacco, inllhaldwn of Wiluvry, pralliii si * k • ' ORIEN T AL INTELLIOEN ,duction of the Duty , ea Tanen. v... , - t - • - I Just merited from Calcuttgicpeftshed Quarter , Price 55- air. S. RICE =mimed an out e ranu p eoden. .• - No. - 111.* • MILTON saliV;that MR' belrsT - 4 - Ars Wu Imo article hi& r r y . ! Q 1 5 .1% ItTERLY ORIENTAL NIAGAZINE, poe l : d rd inti this eountrtsrpotiishich the ' *V the Custom/a • • . REVIEW4nd REGISTER. ~. .. and the "whir of.l.he article c war! so entire&P • • • costars*: '`` at varianee. I. Histotre do lo Ville de Khotan, par M. remusat. Sir J. NEWPORT said, that the returns shewed a diminution • 11. Trausactliontike LiteramSociety of Uomb'ay ( concluded ).,, kt sise-qoantity of the-ar ticle imported through the Customs, not- . ~~ - PARLJAMEN 'A It Y PROCEED! .NGb. HOUSF. OF LOItI)S, APRIL 29. Counsel were heard fully in the Appeal, Reid v. Hope. Lord Gtiroan made mane observations on the ease, and deferred the hrial middy ration of it until another day.: Mr. Taws% and )Ir. Fett.esertur, for the appellant; and the Loan Anvocala of Scotland and the Solicitor-Geuend t WYTIIIIRZLL) ) for the respondents, were beard in the appeal, Out hterlotty of Guynd v. the Officers of State far Scotland. lltis appeal , relates to the right of the appellant to 'a 'Vomit, or Burying-place, within the ancient Abbey of Abetbrothwich, or Arbroath, in Scotland,- which Abbey was ruined at the time ache Reformation. This tight io the Tomb, the appellant niaint•dns, he and .bia predecessors have inherited fur upwards of a century, under a grant from the Magistrates of the day for the place. Such* undistuthed possessiim, even had the_ Crown, as they now maintain they have, the right. to remove the Tomb, disturb the ashes of the dead an d thereby, witat.vniuld, the appellant argues, he contrary to decorum and mover feeling; such possession, the appellant insists, Week!, as approval or hump. Ingation in law beyond years of prescription, bar such right. Ile denies that thy - Crown has the right to do so. The respondents, ie answer, maintain that the Crown has the right, and at any time, to remove this Tomb ; and having the right, ie exercise of it, evtn were that dor- by disturbing the bones of those who have long " slept secutelf —by removing the ashes of the ancestors of the appellant, or of others who may have been consigned within the ancient ruined, walls of the sten: rable Abbey of Aberhrothwick, must remain with the Crown, is mere matter of feeling and discre tion on their part, with which the appellant, or any other indivi dtial, cannot interfere. The respondents crave, upon the whole, an affirmance of the interlocutors in their favour, of the Court of Session in Scotland,. approving their action and acknowledging their right. Mr. Forayers, as one of the Counsel for the appellant, was heard In part, in. Aitcheson v. the Nlagistrates of Glasgow. Counsel will be heard farther in the Bargany Appeal Cause on Thursday next, at ten o'clock. By accident it was omitted to state' that Mr. ADAM is likewise of Counsel for Sir liew D. Hamilton,' tart. the respondent. A Person from the Treasury presented Returns of Superannua tions hi the Customs and Excise.— Laid on thetable. Mr. GAITICELL, from the Privy Council Office, presented a copy of the Proclamation inserted in the Gazette pursuant to the 6th of George I.—Laid on the table. Mr. Alderman Woon, tlr. Ccnermtv, and others, brought up from the CoMmons the London Duck Amendment Bill and seve r..l Private Bills, which were read a first time. Earl FonTrscuß presented a Petition from Bolingbroke, against the Catholic Claims.—Lald on the table. Lind REDF.SOA LE presented a Petition from the Town of Piepon, in Yorkshire. C. the same effect ; and one front the same pace, against the Unitarian Marriage hill.—Laid on the table. Petitionsugainst the Catholic Claims were also presented—By Lord Beameosto, front Carlow ; by the Bishop of Everitt, from St. German's; and front the Parish of St. Margaret's, in the City of Exeter ; by the Duke of litcumono, from the Protestant Dissen ters of Chichester. The LOUD CII A NCET.T.OIt, in the absence of a Noble Friend for whom he entertained the most sincere respect, the Chan cellor of the University of Oxford, presented a Petitio n front the Vice-Chancellor, Masters, and Scholars, of that University, again* further cancessions.to the Catholics.—Laid on the table. The Noble and Learned Eat! then presented similar Petitions, from the Town of Bingley, in thg West Riding of the County of York, numerously and respectably signed by the Oert,i of the Established Church, and by the Ministers of the Methodists; front the Ministers and Congregation of Baptist's meeting at the Chapel in Slow Field, in tint County of Suffolk; from the Congregation of Protestant Dissenters under the pastoral care of Joseph Chamber lain of Chester; from the Minister and Inhabitants of Newport Pagnell, in the County of Buckingham; from the Freemen and Householders of the Loyal Town of Oxford, and front the Parish of St. Anne's, Westminster. The latter signed by 360 individuals.— Laid on the table. Lord KING inquired whether William Marshal, who had 'signed the Newport Pagnell Petition, as Vicar of that place, was not the gar k Gentkinan who lately 'touk up two Dissenters tot going about the country preaching? • - The LORD CHANCELLOR answers& that although a mis. take might have taken place, the Vicar being also a Justice of the Peace, was justified in taking up any one who was charged with doing wrong. Earl GROSVENOR presented a Petition from the Officers and Labourers employed in the East India Docks, in favour of the Equis table Loan BilL—Laid on the table. Similar. Petitions were presented:—By Lord Eu.strinaouon front Stroudwater. in the county of Gioncester.—lay Lord Dunces' from the Inhabitants of Mile End, and from the Cotton Manufac turers and others of Macclesfield and vicinity—Laid on the table. The Earl of LIMERICK presented Petitions from two po dium in Galway, in favour of Joint Stock Companies.—Laid on • dile table. • "The Earl of SHAFTESBURY presented a Petition from the Shipowners of Newcastle-ttpoosTyne, praying for the Revision of the Corn Laws.—Laid on the table. The Scotch Sheriffs' Courts Regulation Bill, and the Convicts' Digits Bill, went respectively through Committees, and were re • ported.—Adjourned to Monday. HOUSE OF COMMONS.. I:; Lord LOWTHER presented Petitions from Kendal, and sit oats- places in the county of Westmoreland, against any alteration in the Corn Laws. • Similar Petitions were presented from Saffron Walden and two • other pfacea in the county of Essex, by Sir K. ampler ; frown Lidlitkgow, by Si. A. Hoes; from t he county of Tipperary, by Mr. ramie; from the county of Kerry, by Mr. M. Fsnonnalas; from Royston,' by Sir J. Seamus.; from St. Albans, by Sir J. &smut ; from Huogerford, by Mr. Durlsas • from the county of Carlow, %Sy Sir U. Buenos ; from a Peris h in the county of Durham, by. bin. Lasneron; from Market Labingdon, by Mr. Damns; froin the town and vicinity of Yougball, by Mr. Asks canner ; from Newry, by Lord Amu Him.; from Market liarborough, by Lord At.nsar ; arid from Peterborough, by Lord Asernosur.---The Petitions were severally ordered to be printed. Sir it. SHAW presented a Petition from the Paper.maltets of Ireland, against the Reduction of the Duty on Foreign Paper.— Orderttl to be. printed. • Mr. W. MINERS presented a Petition from an Individual, against any further Concession to the Catholics.—Ordered to be printed, • Mr. LITTLETON presented a Petition from 30 or 40 Clergy men, resident in the North of Staffordshire, against a particular Clause in the Dissenters' MarriaAe Wl.—Ordered to be printed. Mr. MA NSFIELD presented a Petition from the Parish . of St. Martin's, Leicestershite, against the Bill for makiog Provision for the Catholic Priestbood.--Ordered to be printed. Mr. DAVENPORT presented a Petition from the Baptiste of Stockport, against any further Concession to the Roman Catholics. —Ottlered to be printed. USON ! : —Ordered to De prituru. . _ Sir R. FERGUSON presented a Petition from a Parish in w i t ! 1 lifobire, praying tharelease of Robert Gouda) , (runt cunfinement.. •no _, —Laid on the table. r Also a Petition from Kirkaldy, complaining o f the hast y manner inn; in whit% reductions were made in the duties at Foreign Alanufac- cipt , .‘ I tones, and p.gticularly upon that of Linen.—Ordered to be printed. ow lIIr. PRENDERGAST presented two Petitions from Gaivray, one io I of the Establishment of Provincial Ranks iti Ireland.— feel ' Ordered to be printed. . . , • • .)Ir. COKE presented a Petition horn the litsoulr. dof Diss, pro ; • . . In the vim., of Nuefolk. in Esiour a/ &protecting duty on Corn.— ev t contr a to be print e d. I side Sir E. HARVEY presented $ Petition front Samuel Wells, ardt ~ • Wino any Ps* acing made to Ur. MiAdtun. The Petitioner n steted.inas be obreted to any tech compensation. being made. Chit i - - slid partinularly to Seolsomoo.....oaserid ta w pr i nte d. sire 1.014 111. 4 14 L1RY Preatlusti fonr Petitions from Alatton.unders I ph • tiers'ead linkassile.,Monilt Wile* die esrptoyeatat of children in '--. *sum spii an. , - , jest - • . . ' • . .- , i % -~.,; .. ; 1' -- v ~~ ~. r W'rlyu r-. wr - r 1 ;;;:. N - look at ic,x th • undassled bwthe 'ways considered dierlfare and *Ate ovist be tinyt:Of knowit Whose services Castlereagh, rnea suit of chi w; Learned Gentleman,theMember for the county of Louth (Mr. L. Foster), be begged leave to read to the House an extract from the debates of 1812, when that Hon. Member had delivered his sentiments, founded upon a most laborious attention to the affairs of Ireland, not least appreciated by those by whom it was moist needed (here the Honourable Member read the extract alluded to). He begged, in the exertions which were.made to overcome the difficulties opposed to .this important measure, that " his little bark might atte ndant sail," as he was convinced it was calculated to produce the greatest benefits to Ireland. One of the objects he had in view was to improve in a certain degrte the state of the secular Clergy, and also the state of the peasantry of Ireland. With regard to the condition of the Catho lies themselves, he might here be allowed to explain one advantage necessarily accruing from an improve ment of their income. He could not for a moment doubt that a fixed periodical income would be more advantageous to this country, if coming from it, than the precarious income which they derived from their flocks • and ke was disposed to concur with the opinions of a Reverend Prelate, that certain contributions from the flocks, amounting . to one-fourth of what it at pre- sent was, should continue to exist. While he wished to relieve the Catholic peasant from oppressive burthens which weighed on his means too heavily, he neverthe less wished, that when that Catholic attended a relative to the grave, he should be reminded of his obligation to contribute to the support bf him in this world, who was to assist him towards his situation in the next. He would here refer to a passage of Mr.O'Connelrs evidence, which stated, that the ranks of the Catholic Clergy were almost exclusively filled from the lower orders. He did not mean by that allusion to insult such a body with anything that might savour of Aristocratic feel ing, because such a disposition would be contrary to the first principles which founded Christianity on earth. But he meant to say, that when distress and want pro duced sedition and rebellion, the period might .arrive when the Catholic Clergy ought to be able to- stand aloof. When the storm was up—When the vesselwas staggering over the troubled waters, the Catholic Clet oyman ought not to be compelled to share the danger. When the vessel was a wreck—he should not be lashed to its remnants, and be floated on theturbulent wave)of discord and sedition; but he ought to beplaced in chat situation in which he might be capable of standing clear of the conflict. The Honourable Member, after having perused the volume of evidence adduced before the Committee had laid• that evidence down with feelings highly satisfactory to his own bosom. There were in cidents disclosed in it of the most cheering nature; and such as shewed a creditable and exemplary feeling of charity on the part of Protestants towards Catholics. He alluded particularly to the burial of Mr. Egan.— He would tell the Catholics openly and fairly, that he preferred his own faith to all others ; and he wished there was no lively difference between Protestants and Catholics; but while Ireland continued Catholic (and nothing but a positive miracle could prevent her from continuing Catholic), he thought a 'connexion should exist of the nature now proposed. When the watchword of " Economy' was, raised, which was peculiar in a commercial nation, he would only say he did not believe it was in the people of England to object to a measure of this kind, which was calculated not only immediately to relieve the corporeal wants of the Catholics, but to ease their minds from the canker and the pang' of bitter hostility, which was now festering there; and to cleanse their hearts from the premedita tion, and their arms from the nerve, to commit mid night assassination and atrocious marders. He should sot enter into minute details as to the proposition he was about to submit. He was happy to find that his task. was simplified by a sound precedent: he alluded to the present establishment of the Presbyterian Clergy in Ireland. That body had been supported by statute since almost its first establishment in Ireland. In the reign of James I. a support was administered to them , in the form of a direct salary, in 1852, and in the shape of a ReOurrr donne in 1719. Now be would estimate the Parish Clergy in round numbers at 2,000, of different denciminations. Under the first bead, he would put a certain number at 2004. a year. Under the next head, rBOO at'l2Cl. a year ; and under' the third head, 1000 at 601. a year. He thought he was not overstating the amount, when he put it at four Archbishrips, 1,5001. ra-year each : twenty-twoßishoptot 10001. each ; twenty six Deans, at 8001. each : and toe remaining Clergy in the proportion he had stated. He would• put them in that situation that the Protestant majority might ad dress them gird say, " We have given you from our store ; and, Iti,k Alum we ask for the exercise of your influence. We 'have power and possession, which we trust it is.in vain for you to attack, and , which we will defedd even unto death. too have power which we cannot undermine; and we have given you from our store with a grace and spirit which may warrant you t. accept it. We ask an exercise of your influence for those purposes of peace and chatitywhich your religion preaches on earth. Exert that influence with your 'flocks, by warning them from creating those awful troubles which we trust will never occur; but remehs bet., if you have a disposition to the contrary, your best success must be your common rain." The Honourable Member conclUded by movipg a Resolution, that it Ts expedient provision should be made by law foi the secular Clergy of Ireland. Colonel BAGWELL considered that we owed much gratitude to the Roman Catholic Church, for having transmitted to us, through many dark ages, the unadul terated doctrines of 1 1 ClaristianIty. Ile also considered it sound policy to take such a course u one calculate* to promote the peace and power of this mighty empire. f Mr. LESLIE FOSTER never had thought there was an irresistible barrier against the Catholic claims. He had always pointed out the danger of the Roman Ca tholics of Ireland without concessions were made to them. He never had any difficulty as reg irded the laity, and still less the lay aristocracy. He was per sonally acquainted with all those likely; under a chalet of circumstances, to come into that House, and consi dered them a valuable ,body of men. But the misfor tune wasp that they were but a small part of use Ca tholic Body. of Ireland. The Church was the great ruling power amongst them. Therefore it was that he had always wished to see them dependent upon the Government of this' country. In all Protestant coun tries the Government had the appointment of the Bi shops, and even the 'osier orders of Pi iesthood and that, he contend-d, ought to be the case in this country. 1 £,'►; • . .. • - et s. ill an eye unjaundic y garraistdiges.' gibe glare of party f 'ngi.tWile hid at. 1 !red it as calculated . iilly, prenspte I and good gorerntnint Ireland. Difild,ot 1 eof his own opiWion, e had,ibe stifsfac: 1 ping that th*t opinion nens shatol by mien 1 ces were now lost tithe empire —Pitt, , and Cornwall,. In order to sheer that a, his kind was an object of desire toanHon.and ! rT ...I. 11, 1 1MPPOPRIPWI , _) ,* w He was not afraid of their wishing for the tythes ; but he knew it was an essential part of the Catholic Church to aim at jts own advancement. increase, and glees. it looked upon every other Church not only as a nuisance, bat as an usurper. If the Church were not nude completely de. pgindent upon the State, the payment of the proposed 4'450,000 a ~/ear would be nut only far the support, but for the propakatiozs el the Church. MAMIE wished to bow from what funds tit 250,0001. was to come? There were 800.000 Dissen ters. who had SOO Clergy at stipends of 2001. each. making a precedent too paltry he hoped for the House to think of following upon the present occasion, Unlfsi the money 'were taken from the Church, whiOt.wes Cl ready overpaid, he should not consent to' this tileature. He therefore moved as ail amendment,, that a Select Committee be appointed, " to intioire whether it is ex pedient that the Catholic Priesthood and all Dissenting Ministers of England,lreland,and Scotland, should have • annual stipends paid by the nation, and how limb' r Mr. W. BANKES said, he looked upon this 'as it most unreasonable measure—whom was it to. oblige P Not the Catholics, for it had been declared in the evi dence that they would not consider it as a boob, and would rather be without it. If it were intended to oblige the Protestants, it would be well to consider how - .moch pleased the Protestants would 'be sortie - riaii hence, to fi nd themselves saddled with a paytreia of 250,0001. annually ; and this was to be paid with ue any stipulation on our part as to a return. Neither would it be fair upon the Dissenters, who would thus be required to pay not only their own clergymt n and the Protestants, but the Catholics too. If-this measure • were to pass, there would bean end to all distinctions of churches. Before he sat down, he %s mile! advert to the reflexioni made upon the members of the goglish Church by the Hon. Member for Winchelsea (Mr. Brougham). He had talked of oaths being as common in the Church as the breath of their nom i s; ar.el that in taking a benefice the Clergyman took an oath that he was moved by the Spirit. Now the Clergyman took no such oath. He took the Oaths of Allegiance and Supremacy against any .simoniactil practice, and for canonical obedieice. Upon the other point the . Bishop certainly put it to him in words saying, " [ toast," &c. to which the other answered by saying, " I trust"—(Laughkr).—Gentlemen might laugh, but he should contend that there was no oath used upon this occasion. . . Lord G. CAVENDISH apprehended no danger that tt e Catholic Church of Ireland would be able to cope with the Protestant, or fancy itself able to do so. 'He supported the measure, because it was cue which wool& tend to increase the respectability of the Catholic teachers, and thereby to aid the course of education, Ittri consequently of moral feeling, in Ireland. Being convinced that it was only to the progress cif it struction ' that we could ever look for a reformation in the habits • of the Trish people, be would vote for the grant to the priesthood, even though it were not accompanied by the great measure of Ensandpatioa—(Hear,hear). Mr. Secretary PEEL imagined all patties would agree in treating the present measure as quite distinct from the proposition for removing Catholic disabi:ities ; and rather regretted that any attempt had been made to connect or couple the two questions together. It was proposed, without ( is he thought) any explanation, for the House broadly to declare that it was expedient to provide by law for the future maintenance of the secular Roman Catholic Clergy. We o ere to pay 250,0001. a year to the Catholic Priests, and to bare no power in the nomination of them—they were to receiye that large amount of money from the Govern? mete, but to be in all respects independent of it,- and free from its controul. L:oking at such a grant only constitutionally,apart from any ttfeological consideration altogether, it was at least one upon which it tehoved the House to pause for information. It was said that the Presbyterian body in the North of Ireland stood exactly in the samesisuation in which it was now proposed to place Catholics; but he denied the parity of the cases. There was evidence before the Committee abovi stairs as to that particular point—evi.sence which he desired to quote,'but which he found had not been printed. The Moderator of the Synod of' Ulster distinctly stated in his letter, the manner of 'the connection between the Presbytery of the North of Ireland and the Govern ment ; and his declaration came in -fact to this—ghat there was scarcely any difference between the Presbya terian system and that of the Established Church. Cora tainly, if the Bill before the House did pass, hq should so far agree with the Honourable Member who bad last spoken, that, without any delay for consideration, he I should say the thirty-nine Articles ought to be got 'rid of; for, surely, after passing such a. measdre, no man could ever again be called to subscribe tot hem—(Hear, hear). The Honourable Gentleman oppesite smiled ; he understood what was meant—it \vas intended to quote what we had already done with respect to the Ci;llege of Maynooth. But surely the cases were widely different. We objected to the education of the Irish Catholic Priests - abroad, and therefore' we fountlid a seminary for them at home. But surely this tees tot like providing IoQCI. a-year for every Catholic. Bishop s 15601. for Archbishops; and an income for every other Clergyman. One effect of such a course, as it appeared to him, would be to create a rivalry for influence between the secular, Clergy of Ireland and the regular Clergy,' He doubted, too, how far it would be possible for the House to make such an arrangement as that contem plated without communication with the Pope. If the Archbishops and Bishops were to receive a large salary. Government might probably think some a teration in the oath they took advisable; and Dr. Doyle, though he was of opinion that this might be done, thougl.t, that it could not be done dithout application to t 1 . See of 'Rome. Surely. if we were to pay the Catholic Bishops of Ireland 1,0001. a year, it was too much that the Pope should have the nominstion of them. At least, there ought to be some stipulation that be should institute the ferson recommended to him from Ireland. -At pre • sent there was nothing to hinder the Pope trots nom - na ing a foreigner, and no nomination but his soul I have any force or value in Ireland. Let it be recollected that we had made no provision fur the Episecrealisa. Clergy of Scotland, who were of the same religion as the Church of England.; and not having dose so, lie could not see why we should commence our provision for any other Church by giving a stipend to the Ca tholic Clergy. What would be the squad n of the Dissenters, if this 1311 passed ? They would see the Protestant Estabished Church provided for by . tithes, and tl:e Catholic Clergy by taxes, to both of which they (the Dissenters) se ere obliged to contribute ; bile, at the same time, no provision was made for them. Such a measure as the present would, he contended, - be con trary to the spirit of the Revolution. it would be its direct hostility to that spirit to select any religitin *Abet fr.nu the Protestant Church as established by law, foe aesemseart lirJertaiser and establishment. Mr. C. W. WYNN was distinctly in favour of this • NiimiIMIIMIIIMMININO ~---R ~.-.. r - ~~~ measure, beta because it vti Emanc;pation. the measure of this Measure o Ckrity—( ilea dangee ould Pope. It was Catholic Clerg income. The 'giving a similar at same politieal•neei Gentleman those and E 250,000 teal Mr. It. M Al from the most tholic Hierarch receive any still Catholics did from. Members they received their influence as ; much or n people than tl hoes ever, would so a peat reproach fi Mr. 8. RIO measure were more powerful therefore desire With the State poor, and bad knew instances Chriitian won supporting a Wisktegard to be reserved to /idea to such a thew la a natty( • Mr. GOULI die'tbetsure as He opposed it, effect its props House eras Cos formation prio • tioa us you ma of his Bock, in attachment of for the Catholi from all other of 250,0001. m different here all other diesel meolorepriscipal Mr. CALCI tioa was costal perforated the prepared to pi Jur tiought it a it of Ireland, COG& . .ansloas for the st be the seal and b Mr. CREE ing'tbe Repor pnvieion for t bad no. object; should object paid by the P savior would c .vorbich consho -sue hundred thdaand of d viblished Cho bevaid awe for it 9iberwisr. have astbOs di Earigkadailb b(4,llROi. the mid of a for expressing assured an 11 him -in . ezclai from his will berquid dew (Alawghy. 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