Star. — London, England, 1828-02-16 00:00:00

4 . I t~ •,~ ~.. . . - ~~ f. ✓ le, of ist 341 ler ty en • same tie. ioJ ; s • 0 at, by deducting the one sum from the other, we may see what has been the teal surplus of income over expenditure. I omit in this statement likewise, as in the statement of the income, the naval and military pensions, and include all advances made f o r public works, and, indeed, every other charge. The total of our expenditure thus obtained is— £249.000,000. Deducting two bundled and forty•nine millions from two hundred and sixty-one millions, the total surplu. revenue, applicable to the liquidation of the national debt, during that period of five years, appears to have been-- i 12.000,000. Now, Sir, I will state the income and expenditure, including the dead weight, as it adds to the Income on one side, and to the expenditure on the other, under the existing arrangement, with respect to that item. The total then, inclusive of every payment fur the last five yeals, will be— Income . . . . . £234,149,000 Expenditure . . . . . 243,095,000 Making a total surplus of twenty-one millions in round numbers, according to this view of the subject. The next point to which I think it necessary to draw the attention of the House is the amount paid by the Com rnissi9ners of the Sinking Fund, as directed to be an nually appropriated by Act of Parliament for the last five years. The total of these payments is— L 29,414,000, Exhibiting an excess over the surplus income, which amounts, as I have shewn, to 21,054,0001• or —• ze,360,0n0. The difference has been made up partly by money raised for that pnrp.se, and partly by reduction of the ba• lances in the Exchequer on the last day of one year - ct•eapated with those balances on the last day of ano. Iher. Supposing, for instance, the abount of balances to have been five millions in the year 1823. and the amount. now to be only two millions, the House will easily see that a larger sum by three millions thin the actual surplus of the income over expenditure may have, during the intervening pet iod, been applied to the reduction of the debt. I am slot aware, Sir, that 1 have omitted any point necessary to render to the House a clear, unembarrassed, and perfectly true account of the Income and Expenditure of the last five years, and of the incumbrancett for which we have had to provide. It would be difficult for me to attempt an estimate of the future probable Revenue of the country. —That is a task which more properly devolves on my Right H.sa.friend (the Chancellor of the Exchequer), at a more advanced period of the Session, and it would be presumption in me to anticipate, with the feeble means which I have for coming to a judgment, the statement which we may expect from him. For the purpose, however, of assisting to a correct vies of our future prospects in that respect, it may not be amiss to refer to the 'ordinary expenditure and income of the last two years. The total ordinary ievenne, For the Year 1.828, was . . . e 49,635,000 For 1527 • • • • 19,581,000 This is exclusive of Naval and Militasy Pensions, Casual Revenue, and the Repayment of Advances on Public Works. The income for the year 1827 b.ing therefore . . . . X 49,581,000 lizperalizere .. • . . . 49,487.000 Tint .sacs of Imam was 91,000 "the Expenditure for the two years was— • For tam • • • • 49,513,000 1887 49,487 , 000 I am aware, Sir, that some expectation is entertained that .I shall say something about the Estimates for the present fejti;, and although they are not all made up in at.fortstfat to present to the House, I shall not hesi tate to give a general, and, I believe, an accurate notion of *ell imratiat—(Hear,tear, heat ). I protest, however, againstitteing bound by any inaccuracy that may subs secluently.appear to attach to this statement.. It is my anxious-wish to give the House every possible informa• dem uperflevery branch of the subject, and it is that alone whfeli induces me to make this premature disdo. sure of the probable amount-of the Estimates-of the present -year—.(Cheers). The Estimates for the present year will ; 1 believe, be— . ... *, • kor the Any . £6,566,000 • Aintyllatraordinaries, including under that head. £450,000 advance for the present year, and .C. 60,000 of debt • • ...belonshig to the last year . 810,000 ' Militia • . • . . 293,000 Commissariat • 379,000 'Navy - . • • . 5,233,000 Ort?ance . . 1,574,000 hliscellanenus . 1 2 040,000 Now, Str, I hope I- shall not be charged with .con cealment or intentional mis-statement should any of the sums tome out different tom what I have now stated. My . sole object is to assist in devising the best means for our future guidance. andif, in tl.e execution of that object, I should commit any immaterial error—l am sole there will be none material—l hope no one will attribute to me an intention of misleading the House— +Hear, bear). The total of these Estimates is— A 17,577,000. I .have refereed to the Estimate made by the Finance Committee of 1817. as adequate for the same services prospectively, and I find that their Estimate for the services I have enumerated was - X11,350P00. Deducting this sum of 17.i50.0001. from the former sum of 17.577.0001. there remains as the Excess of the Estimate for the present Year, over the Estimate of the Finalise Commitgee of 1817 4127.000. (Cheers). The total amount isf Estimates voted for the list year was— £111,745,000, so that the Estimates for the present year are less than those for the past year by 41,168,000, (Cbeen.) The Honk Member for Montrose seems to doubt the accuracy of my statement. I am. perfectly willing to be corrected if I am in error, but I make the best calcu- lation I can for the in!otmation of the House—(Hear —having no other object than that which is common betwixt the Hon. Member and , myself, to make a full and explicit disclosure of the state of our Finances— (Cheers). I believe it will be found that these Es timates are Less than those of 113115 Than those of 1626 .And than those of 1627 46,140 365,543 1,148,264? For di* year 1117 . . . 4913,449. (Great Cheering ) In looking forward to the probable demands that will be made on this country, I think, Sir, we should not omit to take into consideration the effect that will be produced by the termination of the contract with the Bank of England, with reference to th naval and military pensions. If it should net be deemed advisable to renew that contract—if we thought it be ter to return to the old system and meet the charge of our pensions—it is clear that the result will be an addition ,to the present expenditure of the country.— The contract with the Bank will, 1 believe, expire in July of the present year. The effect of the termination of the contract will be a diminution of income avail• able for the generiil services of the year 1828. as com pared with use amount received from the Trustees of the Bank. Inc! fur the gen•rel ;ervicts of the yep 1619, f•••• . } i •• • compared w th 1 STY of . It does not appear to me necessary Curthef trespass on the patience of the Howe, by presenting them *ith • Any further details, to enable them to form a just *pi nion as to the real state of the country. .It is not my 'otention to enter int o an y d e f ence o f the cootract to which I have just allude! (it would be quite beside my purpose to do so), and I have merely introduced it to assist in forming an hypothesis of our probable future income. For the same purpose only have I referred to the estimates. They were prepared by a Government with which I was not connected, but I have a strong conviction on my mind that they were prepared with great care, earnestly and successfully to carry into effect every possible retsenchment , —(Hear). But on the sub ject of these estimates, I will say that I am satisfied there exists in the New Member* of the present Go vernment, as well as in those who belonged to the last Administration, a sincere desire to see economy.in the public expenditure carried to, its utmost 1 ngth. And 'if, through the recommendations of the Finance Com mittee, it should appear practicable to make some re duction in the expenditure of the next halt year, that 1 am confident will be cheerfully effected—(Cheers). With respect to the Army Estimates,. it has been propose,' that a further reduction should be made in our force, To effect this, there are two modes—the one by disbanding the regiments, and the other by reducing the number of men. In the former case there would be a claim on the part of those reduced to pensions By reducing the number of men merely, no expen-t- WAS entailed on the country. The 'eduction (If the men also could be immediately effected, and certainly it our military force will bear reduction at all, th it is•the way least open to objection. I have asked my Noble FI iethl (Earl Dudley) it it be possible to make a greater it duc Lion than ha, yet been made in that branch of our es- veoditure which refers to foreign re,idents, esprcially with reference to the Ministerial and al,o the EA tblichments of South A mei ica—(Hrar, hear) Tht k another subject which .4 ill var itatnr.tily come uncle! :he con.ideration of the Finance Committee—l allude to the Colonial expenditure—(Hear, hear, hear). Sr, it is matter of notoriety, th lt the military establishments of many of our Colonies, particularly those immediately dependent on the Crown—l do not of course allude to such as have Legislatures of their own—am• t to .a considerable annual expenditure. The Revenue which the Colonies to which I allude yield, is_ very the total amount of it, I believe, scarcely exceeds oi.e , million per annum, and it may not appear upon con sideration to be inconsistent with perfect justice to make these Colonists so far meet the expenses incurred tot their internal protection, as to lessen somewhat the bur dens which they impose on the Mother Country—(Hew. In treating of these matters I wish. it, Sir, to tse on detstood, that ,my mind -is not under the guidance t any peculiar doctrines of political economy. My .Ingle view is to keep the.expenditure and income of the co in try as much as possible • ors a par with each other--- (Heari bear). I wilt trttgin address myself to the imam; dtate question of 'ttle i ,laiiiiMent of the CoaMittee.. I have already been. challenged to give, a definition;ol the powers. of the Committee.. I shall first make a single observation respecting its compo,itioti; White there are so many who deem th..-niselves qualified, and who are so esteemed by others, selection becomes a very difficult task. But it must he done, and, in attempting to execute it to • the best of my ability-, 1 have endeavoured toinchide as large a portion of the experience of the ,House, and of those Honourable Members who have particularly devoted their attention to these subjects, as was consistent .wiih the limited numbers of the Committee. With respect to 117 , powers of the Committee, am not prepared to (q; what ought to be their enact lingte.• . I think asy.ti o ati Hon.• Friend HeskissonYwas - most matet lolly this. understood, • when be...was : stated to have •deetatesi that the establishments- of 'the cottntry -*We levels sd - Government only was responsible for, and that the Com mittee would have - n(144/1K Of - inqUising into them.— It is impossible for. Any, man of-good sense to think. of preset 'Ling the real limited such an.ingpiry. , Cpn . the one hand, it is clear that the. Executive. ..(littVwp :. extent, if it •is 16 be c ,, mpetent .to.the .41ISCharge,ofit,A_ duties, must be accepted as responsiblA 4 to-is certain • extent, for the establishment Of the cyontr other band, to exclude the Conmittee .. of those establishments would - be eq ually, as iskinsid, as to deny the responsibilly of Gave lonent.. Most of the circumstances connected with those„eptitilitsjs,-, menu cannot be excluded frum a body sir' appointed., But at the materials it is obvious that Governmott m i ry e in possession of many elements mates iai to Aot lot mation of an accurate judgment, which they cannot, disclose. Thus, for instance, with iespect..to the near.Y. , which was last night ,elected to in our 4cussion?,' which treaty provided for the employment of 4 force, how was it possible ter the Executive,,which Could only know of the secret ar:ice bppended Jo,!the. treaty, to impart to the Committ e e that materi4ele ment to its judgment—and how could. such a .C . pip mittee have proceed. d to delibiration svithout • tht knowledge of such a circumstance,..exceping ,con ti ience in the Executive? All, that I c.o.s.'' '. Sir, is, that to enable the Committee to take an accurate and comprehensive view, every possible assistance . will be given ; I can say no more than this. It was. the rule on which the Committee' acted. in.,1.§17, aistl• no other rule can be acted on now. There is .one point, Sir, to which, before I conclude,,! am . anxious. toad- dress myself, and upon whist have Always het a veer strong feeling; I had thought, indeed. of .totroducing words into my motion expressive of that feeling.. Sit,, I refer to the advanoge and necessity of a simplification. of the public accounts—(Cheering) I have n • doubt that, without any express worth, the Committee will feel themselves warranted in taking that 'm e cums; subject into their serious consideration. Ni) man is more desirous than l am to see the public accounts pie seated in the simplest possible for m (gem, heat). And. I can only say, that it the Commute.: should be able to recommend any plan for the attainment this obj et, they will secure for the counts y a great puhiic adva • cage. I see po reason, Sir, why we should not follow the example set us in this respect by .Ind the United States of America--(Hear, heal). lam qui.e certain that we shall du well to profit by such an ts ample, and I can see no one single disadvantage attend ing it—(Cheers). I thank the House for the indulgence which has been extended to me in the statement of oe tails which it would have been difficult to have relieve from the dryness which notoriously attaches to soil subjects. 1 trust I have said enough to she* to w at spirit this Committee has been proposed, and to convince the House that it proceeds, on the part of his Majesty's Government from a sincere desire to meet Linty • irtl fully Parliament and the Country, upon a subject of such vital imFortance. I know that, horn a pet son in my situation, professions of economy are suspected a• things of course, and as intended to att)teatt. But .tate earnestly and confidently to the House, that.theie .s, oa the part of the present AJII/1111.1fAtitil, in taking the affairs of this conntrl 4 nJet its t uidAnce. a 're - Wilute tleterininati o n ti effect 'all.p,oktoole siteitsTsirdapeTh"Mit" - ea-lentieti). Xii'l I on. Gentleman ecoomy in .the other night declared opinion, that, %%hat e. ver the stispositinn of eftatiest, that was still over ruled by' an eternal frov influence, which rendered it imperative to maintain large establishments to satiate that hifislenee.• 'To this,. Sir, speaking from experience in the busineis of Gevermnent, give an unqualified denial. I shall not now go back to the increase which may haire taken place in the different Departments from a particular period, upon which I have addressed myself to the House, but must say, that I cannot agree with the Hon. Member in the causes to which he refers this increase. I believe that the increase of which he com- plains has been partly, and indeed principally, owing to the views entertained by each particular Depart• ment with respect to its own service, without, per. haps, paying very particular regard to the getwial expenses of all ;. and, at any rate, I entirely differ from the Hon. Gentleman, because I am convinced that the expenses thus incurred, ha►e been entered into from the laudable view of each head of a 11.-partment wishing to have the establishment under his conto.ul in the best possible state, and, most certainly, from other and better motives than those a , signed by the Hon. Gentleman— (Hear.) In saying this, I speak from experience, as in the Department which I have had under my own co . :mon'', I must conlets I always entertained a wish to have all th, estabiishrnents connected with it in the best possible state, without considei mg what the effect might be upon the general establishments :he countr?. What I now wish: that there should be nne general and effe.: , uartootrool over *ll the establishments of the coon- 'ry ; and I believe that the Noole Individual at piesen , it the head of the highest department in the Cnoti- Cry, has boil the disposition end the power t 3 exer. co , e a - greater and wore efficient controul over all the subordinate establishments, than any - other person in he country—(Hear, hear). I wish to avoid intro ,luting anything like a• political and party feeling .inu the consideration of a matter of this import. .ince. I only .n►entton the name of that Noble Person upon this c cca-ion, because I con.idea him more ca ~able than any other individual of .efficiently executing that necessarycontroul so indispensable to the well-being of the country. I say this, because in the various civil offices he has filled, there can be no one who has not seen,. both in the Ordnance and other departments heretofore- under. his direction, The most anxious desire on his part to intioduce.exerytetre.nchment.and every degree of. econlmy compatible.with the interests of the c. unity. lam sure that that Noble Individual see. no LaUbe to despond,althongh he has the desire to look taitly into the financial state of the countryond has thewarmest awls)" Ong ornery possible. reduction should ,he made. know that: these are his wishes,, but only under the strict antikimperntive.oblisation of maintaining to the letter, asap its utmost point, the national faith with the pub.,, tic creditor, which he it lolly assured means ere to be, Anund for in, the resources of the country, and upon nch.aecount he feels that, these is not .the slightest came for the least dmpondency- 7. (dear, hear, hear) — And I . siry this because 'believe so too, and ,am so far trota believing Otheriviscs Out s on the coutrary,i come s tinware! to make this unreserved declaration of. the tact, without any apprehension of the . possibilitgef cpn: , tradiction. 1 believe if it were necessary at this moment to appeal to the resources, and rause the dormaot ener• ees tit the country, in that .way in which they can always be revised, either to vindicke the national ho nour dr so maintain her essential interests,, that there neve. was a time when she could pat forth' mightier exertions. founded on the unimpaired resouriet - of her financial interests, and the matchless energy. forwhith. `the s e -countries have ever been distinguished. 'awl beg to *Love— :" That a Select Committee be appointed to inquire into the state of the Income and Expendittire of the United Kingdom, uric tolooositivr awl report what further regulations and checks should, is their osbriau, be . adopted for establishing an effectual controul tWel: - Plf die thirties fficutA, r and over the• receipt, custody, and agplicutiocilat the public money t• and also to consider what further. Weans ean.bepiken to reduce any part of the public expenditure withoiitllettiiiment'to the public service." • The motion having been put from the Chair, Mrs- HUME *Ai, that hiS reason for rising•was to ,sewgost whethec-ono Committee could effect the object of his Majesty's 4 estage..and -to ascertain whether it .4sif intended that the Committee should have power •to btqUire into the state of the 'Civil List, the CrOwn Lands,:ind' vat thus Other • ilepartinents. He' believed' that the words of the prevent motion were 'the same as rtif*e., of the motion for •uppointing the-Committee of 1817, as well gxotherpreceding.pwrilttges ; •He also -saw that ' each of the Comtpittres that formerly sat (wore* which made ten or .fourteen Reports) - had not been ronfi..ed.to a few nionthsi.but • took, several. /ears to do so. He, then efore„.subrnitted- what good could :emit horn that now. proposed? Vite . filenourable Gen tl,man here referred to the Siuking Fund, and asked, hit.% that and other : departments could be inquired into or how effectual means could be -taken* for redhcing, establishments, without adequate time,.being given? .He had considered the inquil ies eateled into.ht her of-Committees, as well as of the • Commission sp. pointed inqeire into the Revenue, •and was cet4iin . , 'Oat n,thing in the way now proposed could be chine -in less thin two or three years, during which time the debt-mustinerease by continoing.iur expenditure. .He :theretose suggested, whether it would not be. better to stave ten or eleven Commit ees.—(Lauptei.)—He was siviale it waie gore! thing to propose a mode which Would 'impose so natal duty on the House, where there, were many so little disposed tto Jabour ; but if it *ere ifte iitention of the House, according to the• desire ex prksed in his M ,jesty's Message, to examine into evely depirtment, it would be impossible that '2O or $0 men, hoaeser industrious or intelligent,' could go through more than one or two of the aumbets which would come under their inspection. He would ask this question of any inie who had looked to the Reports of the Finance Committees. and , of the C..inniissioners appc6nted by .Act of P lle particularlY referred to that in the Excise and Customs, and to what was coatm..nly called Sir Charles: Long's Committee, which took full five yea , s to examine into these branches alone. Besides these, there were the Crown L cards and Colonies, and I it any one would examine how little had been done in a num ber of years onthe (turner subject, hoar, could it be ,elvected that the present Committee should. not only suggest means to improve the finances of the 'counts y, hut al,o to lessen its expenditure? His opinion teas, t hat (he inquiry should be divided am o ng so irtany sub-' jects as could go into all the divisions of the fistanciA. which should sit from day to day, and that the'Chaii in, n of these ihould form another.Commikee, which ,hinid present a general Report on all tbese , subjectc 'shat would enable the House, before Its separation, 6 . ,t.,ve a full view of all the establishtlienti - ollhe - conn7 which civil" a. 4 'any otltft way- come bepire . ,tre•ig . Hr ' aired . itith thee, &sic on At ittoOtir, there must emu , uteri sy.,k9',had . ez•- , 4 mined: jse eubjeer,that each ui these Coarasitte es-would be fully employed fur elelflen• or' tfittehie nitmths.. girder' to be effectual, they should not consist of more . • than wen MemWs, as it was always fonnd t? at hu.i. ne s was much better attended to by a srnall - nuintwr , 4i when there were many indivi 'uals engaged ;n it; their labours lay a dead Init.' on the table. The Hon. Nlern..r then alluded to the Right Hon. &ovary's statement wish rebpect to the am nint of funded and unfunded debt, and to the reductions which he stated to have taken place, but which he (Mr. Hume) would at another time show to be an egregious mistake. H e t h enpr ocee Jed to say, that the Bight Honourable Se cretar y h a d adopted the sentiments of Lord Castlereagh. who, wheat proo ing the Committee of 1817, said, that the House and the country would be insecure, wece they to suffer their expenditure to go beyo.cd their income, and that t was a duty incumbent on the country to prepare for war by retrenchment during the time of peace. He said that one Committee would have enough to do to attend to the Customs and Eicise; with the duties and changes which they might find .it tight to make; that would employ them Cully for three or four trinnths. Another should be appointed f r Stamps, Taxes, and Hackney Coaches—(Loud 'slighter). It was evident that. Mem bers were nut aware that under that head eve , al other items were included, and an expense of boot 10.0001. to 1500(1. a year was incurred. which itn.gbt .be avcd by transferring them to one Board tor Scamps and Taxes. He had no doubt such a Board would tend very much to a large reduction ter the coil mum of the Revenue. Anoth. r Committee should be risirointrd to* regulate the management of the 1 1,, 5t Office of ihel . _ hree kingdoms, because he w.is sure, that although the Secretary devoted bis 013111“1.1 ..tte-wion to the subject, if Aas impssible for any one m tsach•quately to manage the thrte establi-hments. The next, and one of the most important Committees he would propose was one to inquire into the management and receipt of the land revenue, an account of which immense sums had .been lent, and yet never, since 1777, when them had been a promise of an immense revenue prom it, bad there been • any.return, except some useless buildings and erections. •• The next thing be proposed was a separate Committee, • to inquire hOw the public accounts were made out in the Exchequers of England, Scotland, and Irelane.' It would scarcely be believed, that in 1828, we yer-e; vered in ke ping the accounts like- the savages of she • Sandwich I,lanus—(Laughter, and cries of hear, hear.) Every one remembered, that tie only way It.hirison Crusoe bad of keeping the tally of the days he spent on h s island, was by cutting notches in a piece of •wo id. Would it then ,be believed, that .when gooney-is. paid . into the Exchequer, the account 44611 kept on a little .. bi of stick, where one notch marked 1,0001. another 2,0001. and so on, in the same ridiculous and extraor. dinar; way. It should al s o be known, that the receipt of all the money paid into the Exchequer was entered in Latin. If an account was given in English, say of 5,1201. it was immediately translated into hat barous • :Latin,' and proper notches cur .in the tally.. -That was not the only inconiehience that Arose. from the double form of keeping the accounts lirthe_Eicheque T and the Treasury, therefore it . .would be. tl4 sseateat benefit to get rid of either. :The .Hon.. Gentleman then steststd• the House to look:to: America and:Fkance,..which Issue, ••• country was A pattern for the keeping of accpuetaark-ic had otten.spoken to the late Chancellor of the Esejoiar - Apter, who promised something should be dones.itisaiespi : plify the accounts, but nothing had Areen most important Committee would he, ;Ine t to incluiraiinto.4! the Revenue and Expenditute of all trolvoiea larat.bastios.4 Legislative Assemblies; also to i!li4Prc 'joie vttoo penses of all out Colonial Esiabii,hments.. Amittsert•Sot , lect Committee he should.plopos*i..inqui: indutstibeer' management-of the Civil 141491katag41,4,,0ct oortiimeadp•-.-. Ire! an J; as also into 411,Pen ons,.§nlara es, n : al apati, 41:1 asf State; as also into. the expepserk.of palaceajsad k isarkai y.• —(Hear, and a laugl4-Co,tiLts.of:Atsticii, theArtietoso4::: other charges on the Consolidated,Funi.- cookrat , e accounts, the expense of these am0unied..t0..24911.1)001.-: and the branches of it were, G.llastiou!,o.,titairyi tesoreic , were not a separate Cominittee,jc : .cuuld, 'Lever Itrins:t .quired into. A CoMmiuee should .also .he appcioted, tor the ATmy and Ordnance, both Est home and.alien,siti • and archer for the Navy, includin g dock..yards,imetioesi::.: &c. wbich .would. give. fulkthree ruputhe.emple, ment.•:, • Anotheneonsasittee he would al4o.suggeat.-40ioquit into tlie - miscellatifoue expenditure, lar Perk anuatente&to,.!: from 2,000,0004 to 3;000,0001. each year, Thcamouw; of.the last year was 3,000,0004 and it was never lessxhio 2,000,0001. He thought, that these cisil contingenifiest such as the Treasury, Downing -street,. tise.,Roarat , (ol. Works, Law Charges, Secret Service, Irish: Charities, itc. should be examined into, and there was no doubt that 5,0001. or 6,0001. per annum,could. be saved,.. - • lie.. would also suggest a separate Committee lor:';this . portant.subject, in order io remove all doubt as to the•:- Xmount of our debt. He should propos? that it ehould•; examine the state of our public debt, funded .and funded, military and n.tval pensipns, Exchequer bills, &c. He thought the + South SeA:COuspany should .he abolished, which was onl7 kept up to pay aleiN..huni( dred,thousand•posinds dividend,aicl nriely„.tended to . ptodace differen t . heads in tbe . public amount. Three • months bard librinr of thisCommitteeNoutd oilygke • AIM a slight iusigtit into the aubjeCt.. , - I.e,satoeluded: . . • by requesting the consislerauop of ttte Hew. the • superiorfprospects. DE . effsiienCy..iat Comintimees„,fp!pri. : upon the plan he . suggested, 41144,Ufge51,010 necessity: of begioning . with retrenclimeut.in. ihe S ivil Liu, whiCh.all esirectaiion.trt improvement w..uht be Tai#, The CHANCELLQR of the E4t.llEGlU4R s oaiii,.. that he.tby no means cuncusiei with the Hon. Membet„. f ATlOnit s crae in thinking, that eleven or tweiye,Cuota . .ittees string simiiitanemiily, • and so as totally : 4e,, engem the time of the Members, could be productiaer of the brineficaal effects which he anticipated, or at a 3,• calculated to secure the benefits which be foretold, but he would absiatn from offjring any observations . 10 the Housi, in support of his view 6f this subject , until a motion in a substantive form should Come ire. foie them. its to the other points adverted to by the Hon. Uent..opposite, he conceived they would be•fitterT subjskis fotikscussion when they ink in - the CoMMitfee. - If then it eras deemed expedient to re-model any of the departments bathed* left ts the discretion of the Ad- rnuistrition, he saw no objection; to entertaining 'the' question .ot 'alterations in any of them. In discussing tbsips in the Committee, they would have this adva t ta w ould there possess a knowledge of the esthactual „ stiat at * O f l a things. Woe Honourable- Gentleman had llis some ridicule upon a . practice no lo nge r •iae7is li te:c rsiT e— that of imeritimg.upon a. stick teccipts at. the -I,,,ichequer.. It Uras,,one. which, , some fano ago, hat Ikea ibolished. by4,ct * of rissliasionit c and cou44_ Dori be" ie&arded, ef a piece of antlirg,no fonger,ex r ,. sant. Further, lie coirld'assure the, : lionpiira,ble -Mee • bee, that if,.rafter due delibetatiOn Ole oßsigokslee•-it ; should appear fince4ll . - of the pliblfe*xlisndk tore, inch its*theColorli i for exiutple, e4Kgr from 04 • extent and compi e xiej cause, amended a raillkertliiitite invesijritresi- Rum the 'Others, these would be .no . otitoiliohlirged'hgaltist the dommittiers deligiting;iti - poWers to. some pogi 'n of -their own 'Wily; with a View to the closest inquisi which any Hon. Gentleman could wish for. This, he coma:Wit/4' was the best pledge he could give of the spirit and*