Star. — London, England, 1828-02-12 00:00:00

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One Hundred Tons of SUGAR, and Fifty Tons of New OATMEAL To be delivered hue his Majesty's Victualling Stores at DEPT NORD ; One Haft thmeof by the limb of Afarch nest, and the re mainder by the 29th of April nett following. eA.plc of the Cocoa, Peas, Raisins, and Oatmeal, maul* pro adm by the Parties tendering; but that far Sugar will be ezhibited M Ibis Office. The Conditions of the Contracts may be sees at this Office. Each Tender moat specify the prise in words at length, and be delivered before One o'Clock on the Day appointed; sod the Perms who makes the Tender, or some Pigeon on his behalf, must mttend to answer when called for. Y rAuart curing. IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. Rotas or cola:oils. The Srs►tcst< took the Chair at fouroVock. Lord Amstar. Sir K. Imam, and Mr AMMON, tout the oaths Ind their seats. Itlr. BAN KES saW that be held is his hand a Petition from a most respectable.indkidnaL who had bees for many years a Mere ber of that Douse, and a Representative of the County for which Le . (Mr. Baitkes) h ad: then the honour to sit ; and so highly was his Character estimated by the Freeholders of Dorsetsbire, and by every one who knew him, that he would still ha...continued in the same station, bad not his own wishes induced him tO retire. The prayer of the residua was, that the Petkiener might be allowed to bring in a Bill, to be prepared and perfected at his even expence, enabling him to assign a house, convenient and well idaptedlor the pur pose, together with a contigunusestate, fOrehipfoonding of a County Hospice! for Lenatico.—(Cheers): He (Mr. R.) blew that the liouie would take,great pleasure in forwarding the benevolent in tentions of the Petitioner. Mr. ,Francis Jam Browne, and for his own part nothing could be more gratifying to his feelings thin to lendlilsiturnine assistance, and to avail'himsetf of such an opportu nity of terrifying bie.reapect for the peat humanity and liberality of the ll'etitioner.4Eleat, boat).—Lame gismo. Lord STA NLRY ppecrefented a Retitioo from the President of • the Manchester C9tatriber of Commerce; 'hoed 'by the Prealtlent'in pursomee to a .Reeillution tee Deneralgketing-of-the frien:ler% praying for a Repeal irf the Law imposing at Dutropos It/attire. • —Onlesed.to.be i pristed. . Mr. MOORE presented a similar Petition from the Chamber of Commerce of the 'City of - Dtiblin.--Ordered tale panted. Onstrensellent Orligh A. RDLIS-atieW . Writ-was csracretitole issued*" thesiieronghmt News Uinta. lard Bothstoneduesiog been I called.te,the limmest Poem swami &dna& Mr. FRSNCII presented Positions from the :Roman Catholic Itibabltieta of Ore colony of Mo . :Ornate''' , raying for Cathisfict r.irrancipation...slitso sierigat Yakima 3rom the 'Roman eatholle' foliabicanta Of the traelehno -01131ketitkida. Alistsams, aid liven! *abet poithkieedit the oseitemlislallg. ..1 rmetated..a ;Millar Pleittlea -from the Boman gatholle Inhatiitams aparliii In the cotusty of Tipperary. LAlFlVRitT . pretentirl' Petitfotialrom the Raman Otaddielkihalkantsieffibe period* id hi/theses** iiiiioars, atiolitoolorrysithee is the soontraf dalway. -Bk-fklaelt i ptolested limner Petitions foots the Roman Ca tholic lithabetadte of eve parishes in the county of Mayo. Thealktitioes - were severally ordered to be printed. coltriMentie •anierem ems. f I*.l.3.llllllllwwwwweas &Woe hies naafis 1 84disu, who iirsenshiodastrshor far Diart,Worshigrin Viebber.e m trow. , flea. ',m intier a tteprol probe psi and cerporaike A. lie alai reetpted eeintitor ifhttdoe . rein' the rrinestwn Disscareri Wbo held•thiirliteedniraii Oarey%sttect, • LhieetsiVlreadlield4. I& 3.llllllllthaaDanewatedsolorsdar:Dairtaa iota she Prows eon Dfieensessood osherlaiendate Wises* Moot r awirliolds ourr near Blltysicas. in &sex. hir. ShrtiffattossUll pasestabet alteddese lions the *Lore Mayor,. Alderson% aelle Crithilmis -di ' ifie Ctiy of liondea; 4n t veinniesi Coosa sievidthol. IMO. theta trweealee dor Shosnad &spew stab Oess. 1 Um iikerfirtanlng *Mama. • Mr—Alderman WOOD rad; that be felt it' aiglie. previous to Istoolog . lhat the Detition be read, to state to the House, the reason why one Shesitff.ordy had . * tended to .presorair. The other Sheriff (Mr. Spktis. woode) was a Member of the Housetrend when waif' that cirosnasianotit Was customary for Mai not to alit; , I tend at the . 'b:ii with a Petition. The 'Him. Alderman I then saiddiat (be - Petition appeared to Lim to be of so much impostante; that 'he thought the House would; reit,consider ifs time as ill esaplcriedinlielrhig it read' at knob; li 'Vies motions, bbt . contianitd'matter • wOr- thy of .eoortsleration. Hi tbercritse stoetsf ' that' the Petitlan he read at lengsh. Mi. Altleihian WAITHMAN seconded the motion. and 'rad, that although lie ,visiti not ptesent•at the ewe -11100 COiliscil When the 'Petition was adopted, he most fully ceactitred in alltsit:Statients aid argturients: He would detain the Hinge no .hinger than Wile he stated that notivithstanding the 'body to which the Petition was proposed, 'was composedly :men of all partials; it bias carried almost•unanibibUity, for there were only three or four dissenting voices. • The Petition was then re•id at length. Mr. Alderman WOOD, on aiming that the - Petition be ,ptinted, said,it appeared to him to be partictilarly worthy of the attention of the House. It proceetled Stoat a greittloilyalse very: treat majority Of which wee elected' elety - leit. The Iteioltitions out of . *hid the Petition - had Sprung; Wire' adcioeB last 'year, so that iibee'tbetwere passed, the great WiejOrity of the Corporation of London bad utipeare4ll)efore their Coo stitUrsita; alai .an rhieflon had akin hilace:. .Notaith• standing that circumstance, however; the members of the torporatien wets almost unanimous in praying for a 'repeal of 'those obnoxious acts which fettered consci• . ence, and herniae he lelt himsel f justi fi ed in saying, that the Petititiou spoke the Wishes of those thousands of freemen. Who elected the chief part of the petitioning body. They bad heard moat of the se match of rote[' lect and of :the 64 match orthe Mind." and he thought chat the Petition theft before the House presented a re maikable proof of the real improvement which had taken .place•is the judgment of .the public during late years. For what was the fact? 'Why, in 1790, but thirty-sewen years ail, tile - City of Loam) was most violently•haatile to the repeil of thine unjust and op pressive acts,,to•cancel with they.boar so earnestly en treated the Haim. The inconveniences which those acts occasioned Man of a very serious .desctiption ; and he must say, that as ansillustrious tinker was now placed at the head of hls*Mtiestl's Councils,be trusted that he would maintain his well earned popularity with all who were pr had been soldiers;by removing those injurious and nnjust impediments which the Test and Corporation Acts threw in the way of so many who had belonged to the army. He cared not whether it was made a Cabinet qaestion or 001, but he hoped that the illustriou s Person to whom he bad alluded would not be found adverse to its adoption. Mr. Alderman THOMPSO.N said, that as the ques tion was shortly to be brought fully before the lioesc, he would not then go into it. Such a course would let be conv en ie n t ; bin be could not suffer the Petition T. la a to be disposed of without stating thit'he hilly concurred in its prayer. Whatever necessity there might have been in the reign of Charles the Second for the Test and Corporation Acts, that necessity Ito longer existed. He himself belonged to the Church of England, was mach attached to it, and in supporting the prayer of the Pe titian, be felt that he consulted its interest. The corn- ' of the Corporation of London were not unfounded: at body did in reality stater considerable inconve nience from the Test and Corporation Acts. Many citizens who were called upon to fill the laborious and expensive offices of Sheriff and Magistrate shielded themselves under the provisions of those Acts. Mr. FERGUSSON warmly supported the prayer of the Petition. He spoke interestedly, for he was a Dis. :knee from the Church of England ; but he was a member of the Established Church of his native coun try, Scotland,.and in the name of that country and its religion, he should be prepared, when the westing% was brought before the . House by the Noble Lord (Lord John Hassell), tolsupport his motion for the repeal of those most unjust and oppressive laws, the Corporation and Mr sr N it 1. 11 14 was highly gratified by the liberality of the sentiments which he had heard delivered, and concurred cordially with the prayer of the Petition. Mr. Alderman WAITHMAN (referring to some thing which had fallen from Mr. Marti.) said, that the . Honourable.Gentleman ought in candour to have stated,; that the great majority of the Corporation of the City , of London had nothing whatever to do w.ith the ezclu sive bye-law to which he had alluded. That law was, framed and passed by the Court of Aldermen. Over it the Commons had so power, and with it they had nothing to do. They did not approve of any such illi berality; but, on the contrary, they had frequently ez.! pressed their desire to see the offensive bye-law done', away with. Mr. HUME said, that it ought to be known to the ,public, that there were two bodies in the Corporation .of liondon—ione compo s ed of the Aldermen, which was, ,pposed to every thissg like liberality, and the other composed of the Commons, which was friendly to all, generous changes and improvements The Petition was then order ed to be-rioted UMW VEATRICA ACT. J. S J 1 Tli pfefented a Petnion ftom the 80. wan Catholic Inbabitaata of a Pari•h in the County of rimetify, prying fur a repeal of the Irish Vutries 11,e4--Orderel to be printed. =TAM VT 111411e1 ATI& Mr. MIME said, -th'it Ai in a fel" 'ciaii4hey shenflai be tined ripen to vote a very' large sum as Nary ttlmatee, -wet &slimmest knowing how the 1 579,500/. voted last year undst ri ihe amps, bead, had been atepeoded. When that tom was granted; be understood that a detailed account of its outlay would be %fought under the notice of the House in due time. He had lat 4 terly, however, beard no mbre of the pronfise ' • and fe shobld Mere.. fore move Am detail el th e manner in Which the subs of. 1,479,500/. which was grimed lost year ao a Navy Estimate, had been expended. Sir (i. COCKBURN did not rise for the purpose of objecting to the motion before the House. lie merely rose to deity that any such promise' as* that nated*by the Honourable Member' for Aberdeen had been given. ale motion was theuggseed to. Mr. U. W. HARVEY rpoivad for an Account ati ial Alt Par chases of Land made by the Governors of Queen Attar' if 'Bounty f00m.1760 soling; alio of an the Sams of Ntoney paid on! 'attount of such purchases, diNtinguithing the purposes for which', sum was paid...—Orilered. Mr. WOOD gaits make 'bat he should on Monday move for YAWC to bring in a Dill to alter the manner of taking votes in thaq Borough of Atoms. Mr. G. DAWSON brought in the Exche9uer Rills Dill, which ' was seal a bast time, and the second reading was bard for to morrow. 3 / 4,6151 1 hir. G. DAWSON breight Ina Bill to " apply a gum of moot for tell; which Ilias reads hat time, and ordered to be read WOW time to4norrow. • CATifOLIC LAND TAX SILL. Mr. G.I3ANItES• bald; that he was compelled •ery l much against bid own wish to move the postponement of the second leading of the Catholic Land-tax 13111 until Monday next. He was induced to do so, because an Hon. Member. who was extremel► anxious to be "went at.tbe second reading, was prevented by nest (nun attending on that night. He therefore moved tla t the seeondleading of the Sill be postponed until Monday nexte-.Ord. COMMITTLI OP SUPPLY. 'Sr O. COCKUVRN said, that in rising to move the' Order of the day, for the n lous e to tesolve it , elf into a' Committee of Supply, it would be his duty, before sub. 'ftiittittg the Motion, to state to the House, that in con koence of the contemplated Finance Committee, it O$ not the intention of his Maje , ty's Government to litoVe for any Supply for the N4v.y for beyond six Months. The Estimate before the House was made Out for the whole year, but the Motion he should have to make, should the House resolve itself into i Com mittee, stottldbe (or half the Estimate only, sail supply for six months. Mt. MATERLI did not rise for the purpose of malting any unfair or • sincrilled for objections to the plan proposed by the Gallant Admiral, but he really thought that some further explanation was necessary before the course pointed et4t ought to be adopted by the House. In the ISit no Supplies were granted before the House was ware of what were the real in tentions of the Ministers with' respect to the Finance Committee. The House, before it granted any supply, was convinced that the Committee was such as it had a right to expect, anti he did not see why the same plan Should' not again be pursued. During the last Session, he suggested to the Right Honourable Gentleman (Mr. Cahnlig) who was then at the head of his Majesty's Councils, the : great good which might be erected by a Finance Committee, and that Right Hon. Gentleman bad,at once and most cordially taken up the subject.-- (Mr.llaberly), in common with those who sat about belikved most fitaily that the then Minister did Wend togo"fulifind fairly into the question, and upon tharbeelet tt watHhat an discussion upon financial points was avoided. 'Slate then, however, a very great change' hasAaken place in . the Ministry, and the Right Hon. GentlemanAMr. Peel) could hardly expect to receive the same confidence at his (Mr. Maberly's) hands as he had given to the Right Hon. Gentleman who was now lib more. He meant nothing' whatever offensive; but ,he must say, that Financial investigation was a subject upon adlichtehad no c o nfidence in the Right Hon. Gentleman (Mr. Pail). for although he had been several "eat a Manioc: of his Majesty's Gosteroment, he had neveeroposed any plan upon the subject. The Gallant Admiral seemed to wish to follow the prece dent of 1817 ; bat if'he was really desirous of dying so, why dig he not postpone the vote until the Finance !Committee was resumed? That would be the course the should adopt, and then *ll objection must cease. He ;certainly could not be satisfied to see a part of the Sup. !ply voted until the Right Hon. Gentleman (Mr. Peel) had laid before the House ibis expose, because, until he did so, the House had no guarantee whatever as to the course which was to be adopted. He did not see that the public ser vice could suffer the slightest inconvenience from the delay he proposed, while granting it would' not only prove satisfactory to the House,..but live a favourable earnest of what were the real intentmos of Ministers. If, however, it should be deemed e;pedient for the Speaker to leave the Chair without any 'further explanation being given on the subj-ct. he thgn for one . should certainly object to the Supply being granted for more than three months. If it were granted for six months all reduction in the Navy Estimates would be hopeless. It might be late in. the Session before the Finance Committee made its Report, and then nothing would be done this Session in the way of retrenchment., —lt was very desirable the House should not give its' sanction to several of the most important Estimates.; before the intentions of Government were known withi respect to retrenchment, especially as the surplus for, the yetsr Was not considerable, not above 1,700,0001— , Hit hoed that neither shethrty in which be had requested' atitherNiPlanaticro Mini the Hight Hon. Gentleman (Mr. Peel), nor the reasons he had stated for so doing, were objectionable, and that he sh 'old receive such a reply as would be satisfactory to hiniself and the country. Mr. Secretary PEEL said that he could have no right • or inclination to complain personally of the course pursued by the Hon. Member for Abingdon. The ground which he had taken for objecting to the propo sition of his Gallant Friend (Sir G. Cockburn) was per fectly fair and parliamentary; but he trusted that the Hon. Gentleman would give him his attention for a few minutes, and having done so, he did not tipect to find him still opposed to the plan proposed. He (Mr. Peel) was not quite sure that the lion. Member was aware, of the precise nature of the vote, which, if the House resolved itself into a Committee, it would be the duty of, his Gallant Fr lend to move. They had reference to: laeObjetit shier might be the more safely dealt with at (olio by the Hoare, 'because it was one upon which the. I labouils of the Finance Committee could, compare , ively, : have baitlittit effect. The estimate of the number of ' 'men which would be required for the sea service for the: year,'was a question upon which the Execute U wernhient must be taken to be the best jedges, and as: the lift' and allowance to be granted for the men tole': employed were precisely similar to those for the pre cidibg yeah, s he did not see that any alteration could very well be anticipated with respect to them. The ;Only votes which his Gallant Friend would propose. I tirat•night were' the number of men and the pay and victuals td be given them,,and that only for six months., No other proposition would be made to the House, and • lie must say that in so proceeding his lion. Friendl aa . lfar as possible, follow the pre edent of 1817 'But,: in addition to that reason fur agreeing to the plan proposed' by his Ma. Friend, there was another con sideration, which was perhaps still more important. Should Oat some supply be granted for the Navy, the public sereite would really be put to inconvenience. It was true that in the year 1817. the Navy Estimates ware not voted until February 21, and that they were notisto beproposed on the 12th of February; bat the 14bes. M . entr and the House very well know, that that sw.aa no reason why the public service would not be in• eturitnodeillsy a delay, fi•r the means of the Govern -meat to carry sin the service depenJed in a great me 4- st:re upon the calls which had been made upon it— (Hem /sear). Ile maintained then that the precedent of 1817 had been followed in every respect excepting one; the naming of the Finance Committee, and he would explain to the House the reason why it bad not been observed in that also. The Hon. Gentleman had said that he had no confidence io him (Mr. Peel) upon the subject, because, although lie bad been many years a Member of his Majesty's Governm nt, he had i:ever proposed any plan upon the subject. But the Hon. Gentleman was mistaken. He (Mr. Feel) was a mem ber of'his Majesty's Gnvernnsent in that very year 1817, to the proceedings of which the Hon. Member hid attached so much importai:ce. Mr. MABERLY said, that the Right Hon. Gentle man hadbrought forward no plan, and had not made any allusion to the subject of a Finance Committee since .1817- Secretary PEEL continued—Since then be it ; but he might still allude to that Committee in which be had taken a part, as a proof that he was not hostile to useful and necessary investigation. And he must re mind the House, that the appointment of a FIUSOCC Comfit tee had first been inooti-d .whi:e Lord Liverpool was at thelsead of his Majesty's Councils ; and he did not tesitate,to say, be firmly believed, that had that gale 'Cord continued to bold the station he did, that a cininees Committee would. before thi-, have been in Lexistence—(flear!)—Certainly, he sh , uld not have oh- L jebted to its nomination—Wear !)—and as ' a 'further r 'proof that he was not hostile to the investigation, he would remind the Hon. Gentlensaa that, on the eery evening he took his seat in the - House, he pie notice of his intention to ims* for a Finance Committee. At. that time be named Tuesday (to-day), but he had since found it would be-inconvenient to ,the House that the subject should then be brought forward. There were some pipers [Ube molted fot respect'ltg the Irish' Court Of Chancery whisk would take precedence of his motion, and its he had also reason to apprehend his Right lion. Friend the Chancellor of the Exchequer would not be able to take his seat at so early aperiod, he had thought it advisable to fix on Friday =tent for bringing forward the subject. On that day be should be fully prepared to do so, and the trifling delay which had taken place was the effect of circumstances, and not of any desire upon his part. He trusted, therefore, that he had shewn that the precedent of 1817 had been as closely adheteJ to as it was possible, and,that the votes which were to . ' be proposed that evening would not in the slightest de gree interfere with the exertions of the F nance Corn niittee ; and under these circumstances he felt that he might with confidence call upon the House, and that it would deem it advisable to concur in the votes to be proposed—(Hear, hear !) Sir J. SEIIRIGHT iaid, that he had not the slightest wish to oppose any unfair obstacles to the proceedings of the present Administration. His bias was quite the other way; {cella/sou every question excepting one, he was strongly incli---,dod to gigs it support. He confessed, however, that the Sight HOss.GeotlUmaa had not satis fied him as toils. neceesity "of the 'Votes to be that night proposed being dossisediutely granted. He did not se e . why a short delay in granting the Supply shotild incon venience thepublic service. f he fora moment thought il such would be the effect of any pour:Whit% a the votes, he world at once aid streanosiay aspen the plan of tie Right Hon. Gentleman. 11641, however, did not appear to him to be the case.. ;ad be should much like to bare MOM further inferisaiiienos the sub ject. Why not make the vine for three months isstrad of six ; and by so doing. convince she Home and the public —at once produce the impression that Gowen• mint was sincere in its professions, and did really intend • set about an investigation of our Financial affairs with a view to bettering their condition.--(filear.) He ismested. that he was desirous of supporting his Majes ty's present Ministers ;,hethought.that there were among them the ablest Financiers the ciuntry possessed • but. it they did not a t o nce ev i nce by t h e i r an i ons a re al AO unaffected desire to go fully and satisfactorily into the quefinn. all his wi,hei to assist them must be dose ItWlif with f-t Hear.) He, therefore, hoped that the Right - Ilion. Gentleman would explain what inconvenience. the coMatry would suffer from the Tote being for a supply for thrie instead of six months. kfratillaVElF said, that meet the grounds, Web) he believed the chief ground, ipon Which tba late Mr. Canning's Administration restei its claim to nubile confidence and support, was its firm determination to investigate fully and /with all possible dispatch the few. cial affairs of the _country. He therefore was asttwpus to know. and the country would be much gratified by 'learning, whether the late Ministry had or had hot made any progress in any pl in upon the sO•ject of Ft nonce? He wished to know whether the prwent Mini. sters, on riming into office, had or had not fasted any -system for financial refermadon or investigation ma tured, or even so far put into shape that they coedit avail themselves of it with benefit to the smutty ? He thought from the professions of tie Late ediaibtess. that the country had a right to expect something of dist •nature at their hands. Some such legacy they cugtit to have left, and he wished to know whether they, baa .done so or not ; aad that latought hies so the spastics why the House did not meet in Ales. last? Sir G.COCKftURN said 'it wrtild be practicing •a lesion on the nouse to propose vntnK the Estimates for three months, is if any reduction should he greed.,* by , l'aldiantoof. would be impossible to carry it into effect in less than sizorsonstss4 and he could also state that the Estimates were now cut so close' that they were really in want of the money. • Mr. HUME. said. it was the ios met. practice fot the Minister to tome forward and state the full amount .of all the Ftla• mates and all the Ways and Means, before he called ,on the House to vote any Estimates. There was pow an actual deficit of 5.000.0004 fhb actual charge for the debt was WO,OOO/. snore than ii, the last year. When he proposed. in the last Session, that Parliament should meet in November fur the purpose of proceeding in the pork of economy, Mr. Canning refused to pledge himself to calling the Houk together in November. .but said, Government would pe ered themselves in the great and necessary work of maturing a plan of retrenchment. He would aty that the necessity of hawing res. course toe Committee Mewed that the Members of the Adminio• tendon were incompetent so the functions of Government. They should be able themselves to come to the House with a system of retrenchment. He thought the House should not vote Estimates until the whole subject was before them. The Finance Committee, in 1117. recommended 19,000 seamen as all that was then neces sary, and held out a hope of further reduction; yet naw we were told 30,000 seamen were necessary, and between 130 and 140 Alps were kept in commission. America had less than 5,000 seamen and marines; and even the number maintained by France was in. considerable compared with ours; indeed the whole world had not so many ships of war in eommission. He hoped the Right Hon. Gentleman who was to be Leader of the House of COIIIIIIOII6 would do as other Leaders bad done, and make an esposi of the wbok intentions of Government, before the House would agree to any ,list Mutes. The Gallery was cleared for a divi4lon, which, linwewer, did not Gate place; and on our return we found the House inCommittee Sir GEORGE COCK BURN movrd that 30.000 seamen, including 9,000 marines, were necessary for the service of the ensuing sir months . liUME acid s the Goeerntrent was.now proceed ing like an unprincipled spetatithtift.by exceeding its income every year, to the amout of 5,000,000 E or P,000,0001. All the expense of our establishments, in 179 i, did not exceed 5,000, , 001. t hey pow exceeded 24,000,0001: It was quite impossible that ally man who intended that the country should pay its ereditors, could iook without alarm at our.present proceeding. His object in g:ving ionic* of limiting the estimates to three months was, that the pi ...titbit might be brought under the consideration of the house again ; but whether they were voted fur three months or six months, did not make any material difference. When the subject of.tbe Finance ComMittee came before the House. be would call their attention to the pro ceedings of the last Committee, when it was laid down. and pee fretly agreed to by Lord Castlereagh, that.no country could main• tam its honour that continued an expenditure beyond its income. Sir JOHN WHOTTESLEY said, he had hot little faith in Finance Committees. He feared areir great effect was re become 'sense goats for Ministers. by enabling them to increase taxes in a manner beyond what they would otherwise venture to propose. If the principles of free trade .were to be acted on, he thought it would be impossible to support the present estimates.— Those principleawent to reduce the value of every "pecies of pro perty in this country, that we, being a great exporting country,misbg ile s ahle to meet other countries in the foreign market. Udine this could to.: done, the food of the people must be reduced in prior. and Ike income of all classes of the people must also he ruhiced.except those whose incomes were paid out of the taxes—and why shook! not their income share the common lot.? The tummy was new going on in the most absurd manner—borrowing money to pay At again in an expensive manner by means of the Staking Fund. In 'the year 1826, the Exchequer_Bills in circulation were deemed its be of a dangerous amount, and part of thlru were funded, thereby adding to the amount of the national debt • and in the year 180 3 new issue of Exchequer Bills took place lot the purpose of paying off so much of the National Debt! It was quite impossible that such absurdity coul3be continued. Air. JOHN WOOD said, the accounts laid on the table were so conspikated, that it was quite impossible tp under stand them t but he would undertake to provide a couple of clerks who, for moderate salaries. would so simplify them, that it would be impossible to misunderstand them. A great part of this curia -1 plkation arose from the absurdity of keeping up the Sinking Fund and borrowing. Mr. HUME said, if he had the means which tbo Ministers bad of Making up accounts, he would undertake to do it in such a manner as that no one could misunderstand them. Suchas method bad been pointed out to Ministers by a Committee, but they would not adopt it. Mr. DAWSON gave some explanation of the manner in which the accounts were made out. Mr. MA BERLY said Parliament r.assed a law that there should be a sinking fund of 5,000,0001. whether there was any surplus or not. This was the cause of all the complication; and while such absurdity was continued, complication and confusion would be resorted to. The sale of Dead Weight to the Bank was also the..source of complication of accounts, as well fir of lose to the public, but that would end with the present year, as the Bank , would make their last payment on that account in July next. Sir JOHN WHOTTESLEY said that had the ba lance sheet in the hands of Members been correctly made our, instead of a surplus of 1,700,0001. there would be a deficiency. The Sinking Fund of last year was made up of an issue of Exchequer bills, and a loan from the Bank, ou account of that absurd scheme, the sale to the Bank of what was called the Dead Weight. Mr. HUSKISSON said, that the Hon. Gentleman would have an opportunity of addressing himself to the question of the Sinking Fund In the Finance Committee, which would shortly be propooed to the House. The question of the number of seamen 4t to be smploycdfor the defence and securitpufthe country would then equalif befit to be discUssed. His Right Hen, and Conant Friend (Sir G. Cockburn) had stated reasons for the. Increase of the naval defence of the country. Respecting the Treaty to which hie Hen. Fritod (Mo. blaketly) had alluded (the Greek treaty) when ever it should be cilleckinto questioq, he *wild Jae prepared to Ale. fend it op the groptlds of international law, the 4401 10 whisji _ - ,