Star. — London, England, 1818-04-30 00:00:00

•.6.. - *I. • anc!th infratibn, he had said with respect He saw no be made in had tzken been laid on . the Army had promotion. On this sack a regu attaching upon - or boon con political rea advantageous to , advantage to those command of money. agreed with the regulations should be • extended equally to not argued mean in the purchase of corn to give them he meant to acquired a part of their the pensions , with regard 3d. per day, proportion to ice to secure to them under the amounting to insurance to secure the pension, urge this, degree an objec ' contrary, he en. , that the pen . the case of the notwithanding any :.tions in the :onsi•tent that any the Artillery were pur- Marines, anu- Imissions were put ly of opinion, that distinction of ser- regard to the their pay, 01)- 21 deduction, pay of all the unmarried, and there proportion with han stated by the towever, that these Widows Pen from other expressed upon Lords Liverpool to leave the the requisite to be printed. itcd the Report Brink Drainage t any amend esolution of the to move that relate to the stage on the consideration, with a on Friday, and he Lords be sum proceedings were observed, that it lat a large ex- _ new coinage, were already be. . proportion of the country, as The expenses in consequence -ed as thrown tdcration, and, may be mat- expense to be not probably terefore move for Irately to chew has been, and' ith respect to 'ed, nit there the sums ne• the Gold to be \.ccount of the liament on ac- Exchange for ttement of the the same ; id, he rose for Standing Orders in Scotland, to tthorize the ex iould be taken respect to such very different . • this part of the Lordship explained, fiber of Consents Bills, particularly Estates. He Consents than necessary, and of whom could be collected, absent on foreign intended to pro to the number ofl Bills of the kind, stated that he intended propo ' he moved the 'den, and that the their Lordships, order being gone 'ig Holy 'Thurs. _ • .. . v • . .4 '. i! . .4., • - - .N. • cs o,N . N. ; , 'ais. t-------N l / 4 ----- t --a—•••• • ty's Government, ancrth iiiiiinibn, as b before, was to assimilate the regulations * both pa.thearaval antsipilittrkservices , l ' sound principle why aZiference should b those respects. In the discussions which place, no small stress seemed to have be • the consideration that many Officers in the • to purchase their commissions or promotio point his own decided opinion was , that sa Won ought not to be considered as attac those Officers as a tax, but as a favour or ferred upon them. It was true that, for pc sons, such a regulation was deemed advan the service, but it was certainly an advanta ' individual Officers who had the command Viewing the subject generally, he agree Noble 'Marquis, that whatever regulations determined upon, they should be extended both services. • The Earl of ROSSLYN said, he had 1 •on a former occasion, nor did he now n slightest degree to argue, that the purcha! missions by Officers in the Army ought to 1 any advantage over the naval service, all b contend, was, that by the purchase they II claim in addition to the contribution of a p pay to a liberal dealing with regard to tl I ' to their Widows. t. Lord Viscount MELVILLE observed, s i to the contribution by Naval Officers, of 3 1 r that the amount sb contributed bore no pr what would be required as an insurance t I I their Widows the pension granted to then existing regulations, the former only an i about 31. per annum, whilst the iusuranc an annuity to the Widow, equivalent to t would be 451. per annum. He did not however, as being in the slightest degree tion to the Widows Pensions, on the cont tirely agreed with the Noble Marquis, th sions ought to be continued as in the Widows of Officers in the Army, notwith subsequent marriage. As to any distinct r ! services, he thought it utterly inconsistei such should exist. It was not merely tl and Engineers, where no commissior.s • chased, but there was also the Royal Ma nierous corps, where also no commission f i l ' chased. He was therefore decidedly of o 1 with regard to these pensions, no distiac I - - vice ought to be applied. The Marquis of LANSDOWN, with ri contributions of Naval Officers out of tt 1, served, that it was not merely the invidua - but deductions were made from the pa: Officers, many of whom were unmarried, fore the aggragate was in a greater prop respect to the Pensions of Widows, than s Noble Viscount. He was aware, howeve deductions were not sufficient for the W sions, without considerable asietance quarters. But after what had been ext I t this subject by the two Noble Lords (Lori and Melville) he was perfectly content subject in their hands, with regard to t regulations. , —The Papers were ordered t EAU BRINK DRAINAGE BILL. • The Earl of BEAUCHANIP presentcc of the Lords Committees on the Eau Bri Bill, which they had agreed to without went. The Noble Earl read a Reset Committee, directing their Chairman t the relevant Standing Orders, which r passing of Bills through more than one same day, should be taken into consider; reerence to the Bill in question, on Fri moved accordingly, EA, that the Lor mor.cd on the occasion. both which proci ordered to take place. EXPORTATION OF GOLD COIN The Earl of LAUDERDALE obse was a matter of notoriety, not only tha • pease was incurred on account of the n I: as,it appeared by such accounts as were fore the House, but that an immense 1 the Gold Goin had disappeared from the soon almost as it was in circulation. attending the coining may, therefore, in i 1 of such exportation, be so far consider( ) i away. This constituted a serious colitid regarding the question prospectively, it I ter of important inquiry how far what e incurred in such a way in future, may , i be thrown away also. He should therel I ' certain Papers, with a view more accur , what the extent of such expenditure h 4 1 . ' what was still likely to be incurred wi New Coinage. His Lordship then n:ovc be laid before the House, Estimates of cessary for defraying the Expense of di i''' I coined in the year 1818. Also, an Ac Expenditure of the Sum voted by Parli count of the New Silver Coinage ; its ] Old, Distribution, &c. And also a Stet t Loss accruing from the Exchangeof 1 which were ordered accordingly. SCOTS ESTATE BILLS. The Earl of LAUDERDALE said , ,V ' 1 ' the purpose of moving that all the Sta which had relation to Estate Bills in ) private Estate Bills, and Bills to anti i charge of one Estate for another, six into consideratior.. The case with re i Bills, as applicable to Scotland, was s from what it was with respect to th • United Kingdom. This, his Lordsh f i arose chiefly from the very great numbs ; - . v. necessary in the case of the Scots Bills i in those which respected the Sales of knew of an instance wherein no fewer 1 1 those of 117 individuals were necessary comparatively a small number could as many of the heirs entail were abs service, or from other causes. He into pose some progressive limitation as to I Consents to be deemed requisite in Bil and which he partly referred to, but I . I should fully explain the nature of his in .: sition on Friday next, for which day , , I consideration of those Standing Orders Lords be summoned thereon. It was ordered accordingly by th ' l' : and the remaining Bills upon orde through, the' Howe (to-morrow being f ' day) adjourned till Friday next. i i .• HOUSE OF COMMONS. The. West India Free Pon Ail arm comaltied- - Retirl morrow. The ilpirlt Intercourse Sill was camanitted.—Raport to morrow. Lord STANLEY presented a Petition from certain inhabi tants of Qum. fa Lancashire, praying for radical Read, and ordered to he on the table. COPYRIGHT ACTS. Lord ALTHORP presented a Petition from an in dividual named Pickett, avian the Copyright Act: ,Referred to the Copyrigisommitsee. • Sir SAMUEL ROMILLY presented a Petition from two eminent Booksellers in Edinburgh, Messrs. Archibald Constable and Mr. Cadell, against the Copyright Acts. These Gentlemen, with great truth, complained of the excessive pressure of the law as it now stood, which compelled them to give gratui tously a certain number of copies of each work they published. They stated instances where this circum stance entailed an expense upon them of 6001. and also that, if carried into effect in works they had now on hands, it would impose upon them an ex of 1,44. they prayed that they might be re lievedii from so heavy and oppressive a tax. Ordered to be printed, and referred to the Copy right Committee. IRISH GRAND JURIES. Mr. C. BUTLER moved for leave to bring in a all to regulate the Grand Sury Presentments in Ireland. Mr. COWPER insisted on the necessity of some material alteration in the present law. Sir J. NEWPORT regretted that so large a part of the Session had elapsed without some material amendment in the existing laws relative to Greed Juries. The abuses of the present system had pro duced infinite mischief. Mr. CROKER expressed much apprehension that the proposed Bill could not attain the desired object. He remarked on the various alterations which each succeeding Session had made in the law on this sub ject, without in any degree removing the evils. it was not by any general sweeping measure like the proposed Bill, that the desired amendment could be made. Gradual and progressive improvement and publicity were the means by which the existing evils could be removed. Sir F. FLOOD maintained that the remedy wished for might be obtained bra general Act to alter the whole of the present system, and therefore be hoped his Honourable Friend would succeed in the present Bill. He trustee/ that this Bill would be passed with o.:t the obnoxious clauses which he had opposed in , the last Bill on the subject. Sir C. MONCK thought there should be an ap rroximation of general spirit and system of the Laws of Grand Juries in Ireland to those of England.— Some standing order ought to be made to prevent any Member from introducing any Bill relative to hish Grand Juries, without the Report of a Com mittee, or sonic other evidence before the House, as to the necessity of the proposed Bill. After a few words from Mr. PA nNrLL, lir.Cirt ' CHESTER, and Gen. HART, the Motien was agreed IA). INDEX TO THE SOVRNALS. On the motion of Mr. B. BATHURST a S..lect Committee was appointed to inquire into the oetec tive state of the Inds!x to the Journals of the House, and to report as to the be.t means for continuing the same. LOAN BILL. On the motion for a Com Witice on the Loan Bill, Mr. GRENFELL gave notice, that he intended to move in the Committee, as an amendment, the omis• sion of the clause which gave the Bank a fee of Is. Sd. in the pound on the 3,000,000/. and about 10d. in the pound on the 27,000,0001. of Exchequer Bills to be funded. He was resolved to take the sense of the Committee on this amendment. Mr. J. P. GRANT could not allow this opportu city to pass without expressing his surprise that in this the third year of peace, the Chancellor of the Exchequer should come down to the House prol•os ing to borrow for the supplies of the year no less than 14,000,000/. The Right Hon. Chancellor of the Exchequer had never yet laid before the House any proper statement of the Finances, but told them that he meant to provide for the interest of the addi tional debt which he was year after year incurring, not in the usual way, out of the taxes, but by taking from the Sinking Fupd. He could not understand the use of this nominal Sinking Fund, if we were to go on borrowing every year, and providing in this way for the interest of the debt. The Right Hon. Gentleman, though he required 14,000,000/. had not yet stated how he intended to raise it, except that 3,000,000/. of it was to be raised by way of loan.— He therefore supposed that the Right Hon. Gentle man intended to raise the other 11,000,0001. by Ex chequer Bills. This was serving no purpose but throwing a flimsy veil over the real financial state of the country, which it was the duty of every Member of the House to throw aside. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said, that as to the addition to the unfunded debt within the last three years, he only knew of two means of providing money for the Public service, by Taxes or by Loan. It was true that within the last three years we had added 18,000,0001. to the Unfunded Debt, but that during that time a capital debt of 50,000,0001. of stock, or about 40,000,0001. in money. So much for the operations of the three last years.— He must admit that the arrangements for the present year were in some degree complicated ; but the re sult of these operations would be, that by the con clusion of the year we should have diminished the Funded Debt to the amount of 15,000,0001. without having added to the Unfunded Debt any thing be yond its present amount. The House then resolved itself into the Committee- Mr. GRENFELL objected to the clause, allowing the bonus to the Bank. He said that the nature of the service performed by the Bank consisted merely in receiving the deposits of the Subscribers to the Loan and granting receipts to them. In addition to this, they allowed a discount to those subscribers who felt inclined to anticipate the time of paying up their subscriptions. This was the whole of the ser vice for which the Bank was to receive the enormous recompense allowed by the present clause. When the immense advantages which the Bank derived in other respects from the Public were considered, he thought it was not too much to expect that these trifling services should be performed without the proposed recompense. The House, perhaps, was not aware of the enormous sums which had been pocket ed by the Bank during the war, on account of this fee on the deposits. During the last seventeen years of the war, the Bank had received no less than 524,0001. for this fee. He also objected to the word in; of the clause. He wished that the question of tlus remuneration should be referred to the conside ration of a Committee, and for the two last Sessions had moved for the appointment of such a Committee. Me had hitherto refrained from making a similar motion this Session on account of the appointment of the Finance Committee. But as he now under stood that the inquiries of the Finance Committee were not to be extended to this subject, he intended to move on Tuesday next for the appointment of such a Committee. The amount of the bonus which this clause would allow on the present occasion was 13,2001.--(Hear, hear). This was the very first time on which such a charge had ever been made on the Funding of Exchequer Bills. He concluded by moving that this clause be omitted. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said, that he had no hesitation in saying that the subject dwelt upon by the Honourable Gentleman was a very fit one for the consideration of the Finance Com mittee, although he had certainly, for particular reasons, objected to their entering upon the conside ration of it hitherto. As to the Bonus allowed by the clause in question, it had in every instance since the Revolution been ;11owed. As to a similar allow ance on the funding of Exchequer Bills, it certainly was novel. But hitherto this operation had been conducted in the Exchequer Bill Office. In the pre sent case the operation was of a very complex nature, attended with a transfer of Stock, and the creation of a new Stock, not conducted at the Exchequer Office,-but originating at the Bank. It entailed even more expense on the Bank, and more trouble, than the operation of a Loan. He had, however, objected to allowing the Bank so large a sum as was allowed on Loans, and the Bank Directors had d to accept an allowance of 4.001. on every m a gi e o e n, or one-half the usual allowance on Loans. When all these circumstances were considered, he was sure the House would be of opinion that the allowance was not objectionable. Sir JOHN NEWPORT complained that the effect of this complicated arrangement was to prevent com petition, and to• throw the whole transaction into the hands of jobbers. The Right Hon. Gentleman, he was convinced, might, by an open Loan, have made a much better bargain for the country. As it had been conducted, he had been obliged to alter and modify his terms, according to the dictation of the Stock Exchange. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER ob served, that whether a more open Loan would have been better or not in some respects, the charge in that case for management would have been conside ,rabl) greater. With regard to the Honourable Ba ronet's observations on the subject of the Jobbers of the Stock Exchange, and .the influence exercised by them on the conditions of the Loan, he could fairly state, that there never-was an operation, of this nature &greeted more completely in defiance of their endea vours—Vie/Ir, hear). He did not wish to speak inju riously, but the whole difficulty which had been ex perienced proceeded from the machinations of that class of persons. The modifications which had been introduced into the original proposals had not In creme,' the charge to the Public a single shilling ; on the contrary, they had caused upon the whole transaction some diminution of incidental expense. Mr. J. P. GRANT asked whether the whole expense attending an open Loan would not have been less than what was incurred by the present complicated plan? The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER did not believe it would have been possible to have nego tiated an open loan, without a considerable augmen tation of the whole charge. Mr. GRENFELL observed, that the Right Hon. Gentleman (ths Chancellor of the Exchequer) hid stated that this was a charge established by imme morial usage. Now, if this charge were founded on any thing ti . :e equity or justice, let it remain; but if antiquity only could he urged in its favour, he for one should object to it. Did not the Right Hon. Gentleman know, that at the rate of 34 millions there would be a permanent charge of 10,0001. per annum on the country ? This was a charge contrary to every principle of justice, moderation, and equity; nay, be would say, that it was strongly indicative of that rapacity which had long characterised the whole of the transactions of the Bank. The term " rapacity" might appear harsh to some, but it was an expression which he had borrowed from a lamented Friend, a great ornament of that House (Mr. Horner), and he could use no other word on this occasion --(hear). The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said, that the Honourable Member had fallen into an error. He had stated that the charge to the country would be 10,0001. per annum ; but, as 27 million.of Stock would he cancelled, on which the Bank would lose their charge, the increase would be only 2000 d.— (Hear, hear.) Mr. GREN FELL said that he did not unders.and this argument. It was true that 27 millions of 3 per Cents. would he converted into 27 millions of 31 per Cents. on which there would lie no charge ; but then there was to be funded 27 millions of Exchequer .Bills, which were equal to 34 millions of Stock ; and calculating them at SOO/. a million, it was evident that the Bank must receive something like ten thou sand pounds—(hear, hear). The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER rather believed that he was wrong in his former statement --(hear, hear). He had mistaken the 27 millions of Exchequer Bills for Stock—(hear, hear, and a laugh). Mr. HANKES said, he thought it a subject which deserved consideration ; but it was a matter that could not be properly investigated by the Finance Committee. The House then divided on the Clause—For it 46 —Against it 31—Majority 15. Mr. GRENFELL then moved, that the Chairman should leave the chair, and report progress. On this the House divided—Ayes 25—Noes 44 Majority 19. The other Clauses were then gone through, the House resumed, and the Report was ordered to be received to-morrow. Mr. BROUGHAM moved for an Account of the number of Commissions of inquiry into the Administration of Charitable Funds 'maxi under the 4sd of Elizabeth, before the year 1745, and subsequently; and also of the number of Petitions presented to the Lord Chancellor, and all Bills filed before the Court of Chancery respecting the abase of Charitable Funds, and of the mines of all Charitks, touching which Comanistions of Inquiry have been Issued.—Agreed to. Mr. VOX brought is a Bill to amend the Act lot IltiAding Coat and Saslow limes in Ireland. —Read a Art f l a w ordered for a second reading to-morrow. On Mr. BEN NETS motion the House went into a Co tee on the Meriden' Rewards' BilL—The Report was rec. ilgui ordered to be taken into further consideration on Mot The Pardon under the Great Seal Bill was mid a t h iri and paned. 311 r. Alderman WOOD postponed the second reigk g Irish Parmership Bill to this day form4Mt. Mr. BROGDRN brought up the Report of the Cretoo . tocy Bill--Agreed to, and the Bill ordised to be ins time to-morrow. THE EVENING STAR. LONDON. THURSDAY, APRIL So, 131 R, Aecrimiess-Dwer-Holiday at the Bask, Racleim et ,, d Elea House. The Paris Papers of Monday arrived ing.—The amount of the fore;,;n clairnsupu n 7 has at length been determined, arid the re su l t officially known to the Chamber of Deputie s , gross total of the claims transmitted fro/ne ve . of Europe was no less than Si7teen Handre, lions of Francs (about 66,665,RM sterling). plying to the liquidation of this immense sum,tl prescribed by the Convention of the 20th K ) i. the French Government found that it far excee capital assigned for its re-irnburserneat, and fact, much more than it was in the utmost p i France to liquidate. Negociations were th immediately opened with all the States inch the Convention of the 20th November, for t pose of obtaining a modification iti:"&e:. ; difficulties inseparable from such a prccesiiii great, but in consequence (says the 13114 LIEU, in his address to the Charnhe., oitr of equity which animated the .7.1;' , .:.t•-rs the negotiation, and the imparearr7 of the illustrious mediator (the 1/...'ice ,:f ;7! TON), whom the confidence of Europe preside over it," a conclusion has been comet°, according to his Excellency, "finally close% abyss, of which, in 181,-:, it was impossible t sure the depth, and which threatened to swat the public fortune." Instead of sixteen hand' lions of francs, the Commissioner, on the the people of Great Britain and other foreign have consented to accept of an inscription of 16; cf rente,: , , being equivalent to a capital o 320,800,000 francs : in other words, the cia reduced to about one-fourth of their original and France is to be allowed to go free upon of a composition of some four or five Ihillini pound. This is what M. DE RICHELIEU Ca-.lathe a courageous resignation," but what plainer.! persons may perhaps deem neither more nor, a national bankruptcy. It is difficult to jinni so immense a reduction can hay e been rude .ansoutu of the original claims, without great rious injury having been done to man: of the vidual claimants ; since from the very first tune never has been, that the claims wet( great extent, false or exorbitant, but that the Nation Niece wholly unable to Fay all that tht owe. The share of this composition sum whicl. British creditors, is fixed at 3,000,900 of francs, that taking the dividend at the ~ate of a fce- • share of the loss by this national bankruptcy about 9,000,000 francs, or 375,0001. sterling. The French Minister, in concluding his con cation of these singular results, modestly enta pressed a hope, that since France has "fulfil obligations, the Allies will fulfil theirs, a draw the Army of Occupation at the end years, as originally agreed upon, in the ere, situation of France being then such as to such evacuation. It is rather a curies wa; filling an obligation to discharge only the ow part of it ; but at the same time if the coon France really be such as to permit of this eat being made with safety to the general intt Europe, we can have no desire to sec matters worse by the longer endurance of a state of occupation, which, continued unnecessarily, be continued with deep and lasting injury to ties. The decision of this important point with the Allied Sovereigns, who, it is now announced by the Duke of Etcastimu, are ble forthwith. A Flanders Mail has brought us to-da) Papers to the 28t1t instant. It is asserted in an article from Frank! Mr. LAND, the English Plenipotentiary to has, by the express orders of his Cover= cered to Count LAS CASAS, who resides of Frankfort, all the parcels, papers, leak scripts, and documents, which were taker Count on board the vessel which conveyed the Cape of Good Hope to the Thames. these papers, which were sent from Lond' Count, are several remarkable pieces, ev and plans drawn by NAroczoses own han as a very long Report addressed by L3' LUCIEN BONAPARTE, on the voyage to and the abode there. The long pending -Affair of Messrs. CRAWFURD, has been at length for presenting to the ktso of the N,:rit remonstrance in improi , er rut,/ even inst.' claiming from his Majesty the p.ty:r;: . sum due to him by the In pia Conipany, • cd to three year:: itopri:orm:ent and ti.c . CCs CBAWkILIRD hay bait[ acquitted. the, 64 *fen tr .... ' WW I rd ; le; 16 I or 4 , bolo X Fat. a *i d 11 ss " 1 cper a 1 %16 weld au: tee Mtn. sh th( rfaZCI t rya, • th e . az L Th e lt rd ETT pkit be .tyik ray 'tat:ties • abl NI . adt.l t •,, t 'rasa ll Nwer of as ierefore 1. 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