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charges contained in them, and he did net fee wh^ t good purpofe could be anfaered6yprefentingthem. The CHANCELLOR of the ERCH EQI-1 ER laid he felt that a great deal was due to what had fallen from his Honourable Friend. He thought when t he petition was prefented by the Honourable Ba rmet, that the perfiwi petitioning would be al'• fe3ed by the operations of the Bill ; but he was row fatiefied there was not any provifion in the Bill which deprived th.e. Petitioner of redrefs in Courts of Juftice ; and hesagreed w iilt hs Honour able Friend that Petitions ought not to be re ceived which could not be anfwered ; and it cep% tainly was not perfelly ortigrly to detain the Houfe reading long petitions ; they retarded the public Wind's ; for how, he allied, was the bufinefs of the Route to to be got through, if their time was to be taken up hearing long petitions read? Such petitions only ferved to fwell the Journals of the Houfe ; and he thought the Houfe ought to be upon its guard not to fuller its regu lar proceedings to be unneceffarily interrupted.. . Mr. J. H. Tooite faid,he thought the Petitioners againti the prefent Bill flood in fo peculiar a &n --ation that they were particularly entitled to the indulgence of the Houfe. They had no other Means of making their complaints known, and it would be peculiarly hard if they were prevented pe titioning that Houfe. With refpea to the Petition prefented that night by his Hon. Friend, it cer tainly had a reference to the Bill under confide ration ; as, if it were to pats, the Petitioners would be deprived of the means of obtaining redrefs. It was not a Petition complaining of Jailors .--it complained of the concs& of 111agiftrates, who certainly would be indemnified by the pall fing of the Bill. He declared he was unacquaint led with the perfons who petitioned that Honfe, but he felt it his duty to defend their right to do fo • and he thought if they had even evinced a little impatience in their language, even that Mould he overlooked, when their (offerings were , taken into contideration. They dcferved compaf Pion—they alight to be permitted to empty their minds to that Houfe. It was all the recompcnce they would receive. They could have no redrefs at law ; it was in vain for them to feck for it—if the Bill were never to pafs theyhad better not feel• redrefs at law. He had , fuffered himfelf, and he never obtained any. As to the precept Bill, it vAs his firm belief that his Majefty's Minifters knowing that they had kept men in prifon for years upon faits evidence, had brought forward the Bill for the purpofe of fuppreffing com?laint. They could not be alarmed at the profpeft of heavy damages being given againft them, and he did not believe that his Majetty's Minifters had any fears about what might be difclofed by (pies. It was made • tip to get rid of the banters altogther. But he did not think the prefent Chancellor of the Ex chequer. or Secretary of State, would do as their Tredeceffors had done. The CHANCELLOR of the Excl.' tray ER laid he did not mean to oppofe the prefenting of Petitions, but he thought it would be a prudent meafure in the Honfe not to faller its time tribe taken up in hearing complaints that were not conneeted with the Bill.t M. 'Time sr afaed what redrefs the Petitioners had, if not againft his Majefty's IvUnillers ? The Jailors could Tay they treated the Petitioners in the fame manner they treated all Other Prifoners. The CHANCELLOR of the Etenagyae contended that the Bill did not prevent the Petitioners from bringing anions. Mr. WHtraasAD fupported the right of the Pecs isle to Petition, and to make their Petitions as lens as they thought proper, if they were couched in refpeftful language. He was ferry to hear fuch expreffions as had fallen from the Right Honour able Gentleman, the Chancellor of the Exchequer, that Petitions were only taking up the time of the Houfe. Lord HAWIZSBORT admitted the right to peti tion, contending that it had not been denied by his Right Hon. Friend ; hut that right ought not to be abufed ; yet he admitted the difficulty of limiting it within rules. Mr. Gear commented with Tome warmth upon what had filen from the Chancellor of the Ex chequer; rich and poor had an equal right to peti tion that Houfe. Petitions taking up the time of that Houfe, was a trifling confideration indeed, when compared with the magnitude of the right of the people at large. The CHANCELLOR of the Exc Neely ER explained. He faid no man was more ready to admit the right to petition than hirnfelf ; it was a right which he would regret as much as any man in that Houfe to fee them deprived of. Mr. Ws. SMIrK fupported the Petition, as he thought the prifoners confined under the fufpenficn of the Habeas Corpus Alf experienced more ri gour than was neceffary for fafe cuftody, and that .the prefent Bill would deprive them of the means ' of obtainn.g redrefs. Dr. LAW iNca fupported the right to petition, and coafidered the cafe of the Petitioners againft the prefent Bill of fo peculiar a nature, that he thought if they were a little out of form it fhould be overlooked by the Houfe. He fhouldbe • he faid, to have the right of petitioning narrowed. Sir F. &nem. then brought up the Petition. It was from Joreph Batman, and differed very little from thole already prefented. • General Watrots prefented Petitions of a fimi. lar nature from William Eaftburn and John Bone —they were all read and ordered to lie on the table. The Report was read and agreed to, and the Bill was ordered to be read a third time on Thurfilay.—Adjourned. On the Debate on the above Bill on Friday night, after Mr. 'um!. had fat down, Mr. MAR TIN role and faid—ln the tribal fenfe in which In demnity has been ufed, and to which it has been applied in our Statute Book, I may fairly that in free a fettle, there is no Indemnity afforded to thole perfons who have lifted under the fufpen • lion of the Habeas Corpus Aet—l fay no perfon indemnified by this Bill, for' pprehendingor irn pnfnning any of his fellow fubjcds is lb indem nified as for the doing an unlaw!fri In all thole Was of Parliament, of which it is matter of com .elint by the Gentlemen in Oppofition, that this isoca'traarcript; IA all thole Statutes per.) forts are indetnnified, adquitted, and difcharged, for divers ant done by them, contrary to law.— The perfons there aggrieved are deprived of all remedy, after reading upon the Statute Book that they were innocent, and that thofe perfons, pro tense' by that law, were criminals. The tsah Gco. 11. Indemnifies not Magiltrates ono , , but all perfons who aned for the prefervation of the pub• lic peace—That is, thole perfons who did any, the molt flagrant, an.. again(' the liberty and property of another, are thus acquitted, provided they com mitted fuch an an with a view to ibpprefs rebel lion. This then would jail) , murder, imprifon. ment, or the total deftrunion of property. Now, Sir, I own, that I think it to the credit of this Bill, that it does not referable fuch Statute:. Gentlemen all for a precedent.—lf they mean by a pre cedent, that it is neceirary to demonarate this to be a preeile cops of a former Statute, differing only in time, it mull be confeffed that their objenion to this Bill will remain unanfwerable : but when they afk to be fliewn a precedent for fuch a Bill, I am tempted to defire them to quote a precedent in the hiflory of the world of fo dangerous and fo diffufed a confpiracy. If however, they can be contented with a densordlration, that this Bill af fords left immunity to thole who may hereafter plead it, than their favourite Statute 59 Geo. 11. and, that perfons impriforted for fuppofed trea fonable praniccs, are not by this Bill oppreffed ; inahnuch as they are only deprived of the right of bringing anions again(' public officers, in which fuits they would inevitably havebecn difmilred with colts had they brought fuch anions to trial. There propofitions I will endeavour to clernonftrate :—By the report of the Secret COrridttee it appears, " that much of the information which has enabled Government from time to time to deters, and guard again(' tteafonable projeas, is of a nature which cannot ever, without ektreme daver, be dif clofed."—To fanflion this affertion it was hardl:. aeceffary to.have the report of the Committee.— I will venture to fay, there was fcarce a man it. 'the Nation who conceived that it would be wilco, 'or the fafety of the country, to difclofe the means ay which Government were enabled to &tat thoft confpiraeies. How many perfons who afforded on this titration the molt valuable information ma) be now living in France, and enjoying the confi dente of that Government !—Would it be fir tht honour of the Britifh Mere to foal the bleoiy fate n: thole perfons,delivering them up to inflant death —Would it be wife to deprive the State of the continuation of Inch intercourfc, fo long As we have to contend againft the introdudion of rev: .utionary horrors '?—Would it be jult to pofterity, by an aft of unelampled gratuitous pet tidy, te prive them for ever of all advantage refultin,; from fecret intelligence ? In Ireland would it be generous to difclofe the names of thole perfons who made a Stipulation that they Should not be dikovered ; not from the feat of meeting thofe they accufed in a Court of Jul- tice, hut fr.im the wellgrounded apptehenfloa of being murdered, as molt were, who ever appeared in any Court to inform or profecute ? Let me new a& the Hon. and Learned Member, (Mr. Jekyll) if it would not, under thole circumilances, be as peeing: it would be affuredly dilhonourable, to dif• dole all the information by which Government were enabled to take up perfons fufpeftcd of High Treafon ? Thus then it becomes abfolutely need fary to forbid the difclofing of fuch evidence; but I this evidence conflitutes the legal Juftification of the Government ; fo Pays the Report, fo lays reafon.— Thus then all cannot but agree to fupprefs that evidence which wouldjujify ; who then, I alk, can fo unjuft, fo abfurdly unjuft, as not to indem nify Government from every conferrence attending the not producing fuch evidence as might endan ger the fecurity of the country ? The moment we refufe to publilh to all our enemies, and all con fpirators, the names of thofe informers, they ought to dread that moment—there is a demand of the molt imperative juflice to indemnify thofe I allude to, not again ft the confequence of their own illegal' alit, but againft the confequences of our nece'ary polity. It is a miftake to fay that the late Admini. flration defire this Indeneity—They do not, but the Country doe:. The late Adminiftration were ready to meet their accufers, and their accufers are their calumniators, with evidence in amount to legal Juftification. They are ready to do fo if the Houle think it can be done with honour and fefet.y. Let me afk the Gentlemen on the other fide, if they think it would be reafonable to deprive the late Minifters of their jifflificatiois, and then deliver them up to the malice of numerous enemies, who are as numerous as the enemies of the Britifh Conftitu tion? It is afked, are we to deprive perfons im. prifoned falfely for Come fix years, of legal re. dm!: e I anfwer, that from the Report it appears that in this refped there is not one perfon that could fuller, for the informations (worn juftified tho Secretary of State for iffuing, as they would, I fuppofe, have juftified any Judice of the Peace in granting his warrant. But they were fix years confined. How can that regard ibis queftion, which is 4, Was there !Itch an offence Rated by information, as juftified a Magiftrate, and a Secretary of State is one of the higheft Magiltrates, in feeling a Warrant to apprehend them ? It is raid the Committee are obliged to judge upon ex park evidence : to this I anfwer No—they had all the evidence before them, which it would have been neceffary for any perfon impleaded to have produced in cafe an anion was brought, or a Bill of Indictment preferred againft him. Can any Lawyer with to infintotte, that a Magiltrate who grants his Warrant to apprehend perfons charged with treafon, murder, or rape, is to try thofe fe veral perfons? Even the Grand Jury are prevent ed from bearing any but evidence on ooe fide, and tht in Support of the crime imputed to the Pri foner.—l cowhide from this, that the Secret Com mittee had every neceffary information to decide this fad, whither perfoeu were ft felt' by the order: and &aims the Saretarim of Stets !—Yes or No. Now, Mr. Speaker. twee me if I fay a word as to the choofing of that Committee. Geo tlemen.on the other Me complain that not one of their party were chafers, thoughallwete chofen by ballot. I have often heeled tint et only r p ft v ib o l f e t Want Of depriving fjonnimen dis which they derive from What is termed the influ ence of the Crown, would be 0 allow quellions, after debate, 0 be determined by Ballot. It is ob vioufly true that by this means Government can retain only that influence which drifts from the unbiared good opinion of the Houfe of Commons ; they mull be ferved by fuch as are contented to do fo without oftentation, and they are liable to receive injury from every enemy without detec tion. The complaint then of the Gentlemen in Opplition muff be this, that they are not very popular in this Houfe.—This I will fay, that had they been as well thought of as perhaps they tray deferve, that it would not have been in the power of Treafury lilh, as they are called, to exclude them. But thofe Gentlemen afk, Why did not Minifters endeavour to have fome of the Oppoti tion put upon the Committee ?—appealing to the free fenfe of the Houfe, I fear it would not be Mlble. A 'ballot fpeaks the free fenfc of the Houle ; and in a ballot they would be defeated, and the Minifter Matted who endeavoured fuch influence. Thofe Gentlemen a& again, why not propofe the names openly to the Houle, efpecially tome of them ?—Do they then propofe to be in debted to the moll avowed and open aes of in fluence for their appointment ?- 1 -This would be in truth to prove, that the influence of the Crown had in creald, we: increnlng, and eared!, ought to be di min/bd. LONDON. Far the Ship Newt, fee the WI Page. TUESDAY, JUNE 9. PRICE OF STOCKS THIS DAY AT ONE O'CLOCK : 3 per Cent. Coif. for opening 6t I 62. Reduced 601,i-4 per Cent. 7111—.Ornnium 91 prem. New 5 per Cent. 941, piles 05' STOCKS YIST&S.DAY. 3pe Cent. Red. 60 1 Shan Mtn. t-16 3 per Cent. Con. Glut Irith ; prr Cent. 9t 4 Per Cent. 7 3 4 Imp. 3 per Cr;:t. c94:521 59 5 per Cent. Nary got Imperiai Ann. ?Pee Cent. Loy. 941 93* Omnaum 91 Long Ann. rit 1 t-z 6 Conf. for Ace. 62 Dost.tm, Juste 6.—Price of Stocks ttla dri 54 per C. Cov.lletb. 71-5 per Cint. ditto Phi 7. Cootie of Exthange—Lublin on Landon 124 a la. At a late hour lalt night arrived the Hamburgh Mail due on Sunday. As was expefted, the in telligence from Stockholm thews that the fame progrefs towards pacification is nrw made vith that as with the other Powers of the North.— The Kivu of SWEDEN has by a new Edict revoked the mit which prohibited all commerce with England, acrd enjoined that the Englifh be admitted without woolcftation into the Sweclifh harbours. The next Gazette may therefore be expeßed to announce the removal of the embargo from the Swediih velfels in cur different harbours. The mail brings nothing new that is worthy of credit from Egypt. Any thing deferving of notice from other quarters, we have given as follows : STATE PAPERS. STOCKHOLM. May z.—By order of his M&jefty, the following decree was publifired here , the day before yellerday:We, GUSTAVO! Awn., HU!, &c. make known by there prefents, that, having been induced to break off all commercial intet courfe, by the unfriendly trilafures of the Englifh Govern ment, and its ads of holhlity againft the Swedifh flag,we have hitherto,and aslong as there appeared no profpeds fur a change, faithfully adhered to that refolution, found‘d on fuch firm principles, in order that we might faithfully °Verve the en gagements entered into, and, on every occafion, watch over the honour and dignity of our king doms. flav big, however, now learned, that our allies have returned their former commercial in tercourfe with England at an earlier period, and the Commander of the Englifh fleet, in the Baltic, having likewife folemnly declared, that the Swe difh merchant veffels !hall not be molefled in the Baltic and the Cattegate, we find ourfelves no longer bound, circumftances being thus changed, to perfevere in a refulution which at preterit would merely tend to impede the navigation and com merce between our fubjeds and thole of his Britannic Majefly. We, tiler efore, hereby, not only revoke the prohibition of trading with England, iffied by our College of Commerce, on the 3oth of March, but grant pertnifton to all Englifh merchant Blips to fail to and from the Swedifh Ports without molef tation, and import and export all permitted com modities, paying the cuftomary tolls and clinics which were in force before the late mifunderfland. ing between England and Sweden; and we caned that the Englifh Government will by this ntLature be convinced of the juflice and moderation of our fentiments, and be induced to treat our fubjetts with fimilar moderation and jnflice. Given at Our Palace. at Staab()ln% May 29, i!or. • (Signed) ovsrveus ADOLPH VS. • The above unexpeCted publication has canted the moft pleafmg fenfation on our Exchange, and trade will foon refrimeitsforrner aftirity.—ln the neigh bourhood of Carlfcroria fome Englifh flips have ti ill continued cruising.—At Cimbri yen an Englifh frigate made its appearance, with two white sags, the commander of which defired to (peak with the Swedifb Officer commanding the gnards of that part of the coati, of whoni he requelled leave take the place and purchafe provilion‘. whit h baba refired, 14 eipraffed his aftouifliment, City. ing, tbat England might, be! confiJored as being at peace with Sweden. He further Reel tliai that frigate was ercit - ing 'nr %Ten lEiruliolm and the Swedish c , .afl, in order to :ncet the Engin merchant flips that had been under an et)biZro in the ports of Ruin. CO Pk N HAG EN, I\4sy 30.-12ear.Admiral Snot- ELErm has received orders to proceed immediately to Norway j to take the command of the fquadmi returned from the Mediterranean, and to fnperitt, tend the defence of the Southern part of Norway as far as Bergen. • tiAMBORC JUNE 2.- Count Br MISTORIM the Danifh Minifler of State, who goes as Amhaffadol Extraordinary to London, is arrived here on his way to Cuthavene.... The Englifh fleet tinder Ad miral Nexsow, is tiit prefent off Warheniiinde, tw6 leagues from Rollock, ih order to tale ih flow% Strangers are flecking :hither from all parts to fee the fleet. Lord NE 1,:!Ohl Went on fliore, and virus(' Rollock.—On Sunday lall a convoy of 36 fail arrived here from Hull, to the 'great joy of the inhabitants of this city. They pallid the Danith (hips of war in the Elbe, without Cantina them, as formerly. PETERSRURGH, MAY tB.-x-frbe embirga on the Englifh blips; anti the fin ueftration on Englith pro• pet y, was taken off yefferday. The Ruffian Ad.: miralty has received orders to get all the Brltifli fhips in the Ruffian harbours repaired at the era pence of Ruflia. The 34 (kips at Riga, which were given to the heirs of ZUCIERLU R ER, to dif. charge a demand which they made upbri the Eng. Fah Government, have likewife been refuted tb their lawful owners. The harmony and friendly relations which forriterlY fobfiffed with England, are again entirely rtilored. Lord Matson is Ks pe6tcd here on i friendly vifit. Cos sraiiitiort.e, A►RIL 25.-4ntelligence hat been received ft ont Egypt that Rbfetti is now like: wife in the hands of the Englifh, but that the Frencli garrifon at Alexandria frill continues to make a valiant defence. The Eh A had been. barded the la: t r city, and atteinpted taking it bY form, iitit.werc dris:en back with confiderable lots: The blockade of Alexandria, by fea and land, fill cortinues. It is faid thtt very few houfts• re mained without dome damage from the bombard ment ; in confequence of which the French had dewed and obtained a celfaticn of hoftilitiel for 3 t days. While risme perfons here expel the fpeedy furrender of Alexandria; and the evacuation elf Egypt by the French t others maintain, that at Alexandria, as well as in teveral other parts of Egypt, the inhabitants are attached to theFrencl4 and rather fupport them than the Efiglifh. The news of the death of the Emperor Per: L T. h.ts made a great foliation here, and already tattled feveral chaages. A difagreeable circum fiance has again happened here, a few days ago, to the Ruffian Ambatfador•, General Tastaaa. He had revel: ted leave to vita the different Morgues in this city, which was granted him by a finnan; and the Am batfador, accorhpanied by the Neapolitan Miniffer, Count Lt , tam, the Sseediih Charge d'Affairee, M. tot Koala, his Contort, and other Ladies, went to irdpeet the morgue of St. Sophia, and other temples; after which the whole company proceeded to the mofi:tte of Soliman. Near this place; a concottrfe of Turkillt fiudents, and other young m_n, had been formed, Who be haved very rudely, ill•treated the attendants of the Minifiers, particularly the Ladies, and feverely hurt a Ruffian Interpreter, till at lait the Turkifh military fucceeded in difperfing them. :The Porte immediately difpatched tome perfons of rank Ip the Ruffian Ambatfador, to aiming ze for what !had happened, and at the fame time fent prefents, which were refuted. The ringleaders were ar feted, and publicly whipped. Yeßerday his Royal Highnefs the Palace of Wacts reviewed his own Regiment, the tcth Light Dragoons, on Milford Common. His MA. JIISTT. with the (trete and PRINCESSES, having gone from Kew to Windfor, took Afliford Coin. mots in their way, and though it was not expeCted tharhis Msy Eyre would in perfon review the lb giment, he was pleated to mount a horfe, and be a fpatator of their roaneenvres, which they Went through very highly to the Kimo's fatisfalion and that of every officer prefent. The ROYAL EC MILT, after the Review, dined at Kew-Palace. Lord Roe ter MAN s RS, Captain of the tooth regiment, in one of the grand charges,was thrown from his bode, and very much butt. The Duchefs of RUTLAND (his Lordlhip's mother), on hearing of the accident, left town laR night to fee him.' After their Maori-nil and the PRINCESS:A had breakfaßed 'with •Mr. and Lady JA s Du RDA e at Wimbleton, on :Saturday, they went to Mr. Bur y %Min GOLDS IA I re! elegant horfe at Roehampton, where they remained upwards flan hour. All the Military Corps of Portfinouth, Portfed, Gnfport, and their vicinities, accompanied by tile *Militia Itztioned in the lime places, rnamhed abcnt eight o'clock on Thurfday morning to Portfdown I I ill, where they fired apt dr jolt in honour of his Maissry's Birth-Day. MAjo;*-General WRITE. mud all the General Office' . 1 e ~~ LOCK,' and his Staff, and all General Officers in the neighbouthrod attended. Bouts, the Senttiat Poet, among nther poll- burnous horonr., hashed that of hi‘ portrait being made the lip- pod of an alt-hcefe, winch now is the . cottage in which be wal bra.. • • -