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would fay,tbat abroad U wall seat home Plum Inds helmet, logic MU level is fought for by England." This phrath con tains the explanation of all the debates which have taken plate in Parliament. There is not an EngHunan who does no: feel that England has loft that afcendancy in Europe which the had acquired before the Revolution, and, through the fault of France, this afeendancy was an ufurpation. The Englith, how ever, enjoyed and exercifed it with haughtinefq. Even now they cannot make up their minds to give it up, while they ad alit they are not in a fitustion to recover it. Hence all the contradielions obfervable in the Speeches of their Orators. One tries out, " We are on the brink of deft ruelion ;" another 'f arms that, " Never did there exift greater fecurity." I'he one deplores the ruin of the commerce of his country, while the other draws the molt flattering pidture of national profperity.— All bold fentiments, contrary to each o her, and hill all are in the tight. The may fubjed of difeuffion is, to afeertain from wlsattpoint they Set out,and whither they with to advance. Thole orators who regard England only as a Cowsse►cial ?ewer, (if thefe two words tan with propriety be united) are in the right when they defcribe it as in a Rate of profperity, and that it has gained moresthan it has loft this war. Thole fpeakers who dream that England had tusked glory and commerce together, telect that a nation cannot without injury be robbed of its glory, and that it would have been better never to have adopted too lofty pretenfions than to be obliged to relinquith them. Speadters holding this opinion fee nothing in thefuture but difafter, and they may have reafon for their opinion. Other Speakers (for in England there are different dcfcriptions), admitting that Eng land has fees her confideration in Europe diminithed, contend that chit eonfideration is not abfolutely neeeffary to the profpe rhy of a eommerchn finerdoisit) people, and that with a good grace if they thall determine to yield to cireundtances, they will and themfelves freed from a very berdenfome illufion. There ate are in the right. But allowing all thefe different reafoninp to be right, opinions are constantly floating, and the feelings of men are agitated, and U the Englith were weak enough to Suffer theinfelves to be guided by thole who now predi& the ruin of thele country, it would hicotitettibly be fo in a very Short time— for nothing is more fatal to a nation than high pretenfions or kaughtintis of Spirit united to pofitive weaknefs. If to this agi tation which prevails in England we compare the calm which reigns in France, how vety Striking is the contrail ! Negotia tions arc continued and treaties executed. No dilpute is carried on about our means, for they are ample. No one swedes thole "who made the peace, for all enjoy its bleffings. No one pro vokes war by accufations againft England, becaufe if it Should become indifpenfible there wculd be no neceffity to make allies to carry it on. No pains are taken before hand to make it agree able to the national feelings, becaufe in France all wars are natu rally national. Ina word there is no neceffity for fpecehes to pre pare them for the execution of the terms of the treaty, becaufe France was So powerful as not to brander the fmalleft induce went to agn any treaties which the would not with to execute, and be-alife the had done during war all that England waited to km &eat& From all the flinches which have followed that of the King, Oho only poatbre inference which can be drawn is, that the Eug- Mb know not what it is to be contented with their fituation, their commerce, or their government. Before meddling with the (laze of France, their orators ought therefore to come to fienethilig like an agreement about their own fituation; for bow can they hope that Europe can derive any inftruelon from their (peculation, on the future plan of the French Government, if they have not been able to form a decided opinion refpeding the paft condud of th it own Minilters? Never did any Min.fter, more than Mr. Pitt, employ young men, and men of no family confederation; never did any Mi nifter render the fpirit of commerce and tiocklobbing more prk - dominant In a nation. poffeffing inftitutions oppofite to demo. cracy ; and if he bad governed the country for fifty years, never thould we have any fet.timents from him, fimilar to thole con tained in ti e .011 awing extract from a fpeech of Mr. Fox : " It is ft.- T0 . ..d that a numerous defcriptioe of perfons are very ardent in 'het wishes for the recommencement of hoftilities; that this wan animates the principal commercial men in all the principal trading towns, but more particularly thole of the ca. pital. I deny it..—The hearts of Ertel& merchants glow with too much gtnerofity, too much patriocifm, to permit them to faggot the happiiiefs of their country to tiferable fpeculations of fordid intereft, founded upon Government eontrads, or any other means of enriching themfelves by the opportunities of a war. But, If this my opinion of them were unfounded, I &odd fad &fried to with fur the return of thole heroic follies which diftlogoithed the heroes of ancient times. If we are to be doom ed to pa% in order to gratify the paffions of the human heart, would rather their blood ihoold flow to fatiate the romantic ambition of an Alexander than to (well the coffers of merchants, and of cold, unfeeling calculators." Nothing is more unfounded than the fuppofition that Mr. Fox is deftrous to return into ogee. The above fentiments fully prove the contrary. They will be !oohed upon as blafphernous in a country which 11r. Pitt has bowed down under a fpirit of commerce. The prefereme which Mr. Fox gives to the follies of .n MP:ander may be juftified by the following obfervadon of Mr. Boonald. viz. . Every nation begins and revives under the tent ; even thofe rho dole their exittence in the anti-chamber and at the toilette. The fame cannot fafely be fail of thofc who end in attending the counter; for hiftury does not record one that has arifen anew from fuch purfuits. It is nevertbelefs under the controul of a commercial fpirit that cecoriondits would reduce the Powers Of Europe." We have obferved that Mr. Pitt did not poffefs an exclufive int.reit over the atimtmll ration which bore his name. In order to untkrttand the c-aufe of the difagrertnents between him and Mr. Windham. it muff be recollected that Mr. Windham is as extravagant in his ideas of glory, as Mr. Pitt is in his Ideas of commerce; every thing that is (tamped with romantic charac ter delights dhe former and difgnfts the latter; one is fedoced by the !picador of projeds, the other by the (Kelm nefs of calcu lations. From the following paffage in Mr. Windham's fpeech, may be collated his opinion of Mr. Pitt's financial fyftem. •• Commerc and capital; there are the magic words which inchant and re-afore our Minifters and the greater part of the nation ; but France mean time profecutes her views without looking at any thing that merely refaubles commerce, credit, &c. acc. and fines the conclufion of the preliminaries, floe has fitted out 18 !hips of the line, more than 10,000 tons of hemp have been imported from the Baltic into her ports by Englifh vdlcls. Never, perhaps,vras fo great an expedition as that for St. Domingo, fitted out In fo lhort a (pace of time; and, if pub lic rumours may he credited, a new expedition is preparing in the ports of Holland, and all this is carried on with exhaulted means ; and what is more depl9rable„ it is &hint capital that fupports all theft expenses. It is fuppofed that France is willing to permit us to run our commercial career, but may not this grand edifice of public profperity be overturned by a breath of wind." It appears that the commercial and financial fyltem has not turned Mr. Windham's head. He could rather fee his country in poirctison of more glory, and of fewer bank notes, With fuels rentimcnts which do fo much honour to the human heart, Mr. Windham has neverthciefs proved a dangerous Minifter to his country; bersufc he is violent in his purfuha and not OVtr• guarded in his ezpreffiona While drawing the piEture of Eu rope, be has again offered intuits to Ruffia, whom be fhoold low; for in that empire, thrre are no funded debts, and great things are atchicved without being inftipted by a vote foe pub lic ctedh.••on this point he (poke as follows " Raffia in her extreme dominions bordering upon Ma, prcfctite nothing but a mars of rude, uncivilized batbarifm, un worthy to be umpired with the inhabitants of the French territoey." The Roans will not think themfelves highly flattered by MN compliment, and Mr. Windham mutt get into difgraee with a 0 our phildophers who have proved, during the lait cavalry, that light broke upon us from the North. When Fir Francis Burdett called upon the Houfe of Commons to 'esplain what a Jacobin was, a Member might haat got up and anfwered, that a Jacobin ono a hot-bmd politieloa, who from the tribune intuits dale nations who will not lobo* to foreign lidisenee. Mr. Windham has moreover osafead, that the mob enlightened men who ban lady vidind Frame, sires in raying, that not a thought is there now bellowed upon the Aria 4 Mos. Thais (peaches have farther sided, that tbe 41.froffise of England, and the means of foe males in gib defitn,are now the only (*jab 'Avery thought. 110 far they have deceieed Mr. Wiadharn; and this is ham erovrodblY Proved tvl tbe of wilt of the French Government. who Ines the amdulisa pie hove not uttered bogleword tobilo to Stet anise loMdt might to prevail between the two a dir.. ne fans melt aAewdly avast be bid it Zpdiair -46114 1, 160011%, itmovi f t . . P.AALIIMENtaItr PROCERDINGL HOUSE OP LORDS...-PROTEST, DIE maitenitd, Ipeo Decennia's, iSot. MALT HILL.—It das moved, That the Order of the Day, for the Houk to be put into a Committee upon the Bill, 'added, " An Ad for continuing and granting to his Majefty certain Duties upon Malt, Mum, Cyder, and Perry. for the ferv:oe of the year one thoufand eight hundred and three," and for the Lords to be fummoned, be now read ; which being objeded to, after long debate, the queftion was put thereupon.--4t was relayed in the Affirmative. Diffentient—Becaufe the conftiratinnal argument which was urged for fufpending the grant of any Supply, until the ac cultomed communication bad been made from the Crown to Parliament, refts on two propofitions drawn front the law and ufage of Parliament and from the very deuce of the Britilh Conftitution.-. Fiat, that no grant of Supply an in any cafe he made to the Crown, except in confequenee of a previous demand for aid ; And fecondly, that fuck demand mutt not only deferibe the general Cervices for which the aid is afked, but aloft alto fpecify whether thofe krvices are calculated on an expedtation of peace or of war. or of preparation for war. There two propofitions have been invariably adopted in the practice of our Conftitution. No inftance hat yet been alledged in which they have ever been violated, except in the prefent cafe, and their maintenance is effential to the dikharge of all our moft important duties. If Parliament can alone decide upon the amount of the Supply to be granted, it is obvious that Parliament muft be informed of the extent and nature of the Cervices which that Supply is to defray; a queftion which mutt always drentiany depend on the probability or certainty of peace or war. For the rotation of this qteftion we are now referred to pub lic notoriety alone. We anfwer. that the Conftitution of our country entitles us to more authentic information; that fuch is the conrfe which the law and ufage of the Parliament have eftablilbed; and that unlefs the uniform pradlice of our anceltors be adhered to in this rerpedt, we can neither fatisfadorily regulate oar' own con due., nor judge as we ought of the meafures of Government. But we deny that any notoriety as to the point in qua lion does in fail exift. The dangers of the country are indeed fur ficiendy notorious; but Parliament is yet to learn by what (yr tan of conduct the King's Government propo(es to avert or to encounter chore dangers. The determinations of the Minifters, as far as we know them, have been uncertain and fludtuadng. their councils undecided, their meafures inconfiftait,and their language contradictory. We are called upon to provide for ED dtablilhment large beyond all former exampk ; but we have not yet been diftindly told, not even in debate, much lefs in the conftitutional way of communication from the Throne, what is the purpok for which it is intended to provide—whe ther this be a peace eitabliffiment calculated to laft until the power of France be reduced or her ambition fatiated ; or whe ther it be a meafure of temporary preparation which is to apply to. tome actual preffure, or to fupport Tome depending negocia don ; or laftly, whether it be intended to meet the imminent danger of immediate war, and to raft the continued growth of that Power which hourly th-eatens our own ddtrudion. In this fituition. yielding to no men in duty, loyalty, and at tachment to the Crown, and feeling more anxious for the im mediate adoption of aU pradicable means of defence, in pro portion as our fe.nfe of the impending danger is greater, we are MU &firma that Tome Dion interval and paufe fhould take place before the final grant of any Supply; though we defire that fuch interval iliould be no more than will be fufficient to enable his Majefty to thew to us the fame gracious confidence which his Ma,efty and his royal ancefton have repofed in all preceding Parliaments, and to place us in a fituation in which we may, without violating the Conftitution of our country, cheerfully concur in granting to his MajeftY all Inch aids as the prefent exigency of affairs does, in our opinion, peculiarly do. mud. (Signed) SPENCER. GRENVILLE. CARTSFORT. CARLISLE. HOUSE OF COMMONS, SATURDAY, DEC. z*. The Englifh Militia Amendment Bill was committed, the report received, the Amendments agreed to, sad the Bill Or dered to be read a third time on Monday. The Woollen Manutadlory Bill was read a third time, and patted. The Report on the Sugar Drawback Bill was agreed to, and the Bill ordered for a third reading on Monday. The Report of the Committee on the Expiring Laws Bill was agreed to, and a Bill ordered to be brought in in purruance ti e 'ed. • The Malt Trading Bill was read a third time, and paired. The Bill for continuing an Adt for the Importation of Pro vifions into Ireland, was' read a firft and fecond time, and or- ' dared to be committed on Monday. The kith Militia Pay Bill was read a third time, and palled. The I•ifh Sugar Drawback Bill was committed, the Report agreed to, and ordered to he read a third time on Monday. Captain MARxtlAst moved the Order of the Day for the third reading of the Naval Commiffioners' Bill. Lord FOLESTONE role, and objeded to the third reading now, and hoped it would be put off till after the recefs, on the ground, that as the Chan cellor of the Exchequer had allowed that it had f 6 long been deferred, becaufe the country was then in danger from the war, he had as great a right to fay, that it fhould be poflponed for that (hors fpace of time, as he thought the country was at this moment in as great a ft - ate of danger as it was during the war. He by no means withed to defeat the purpofes of the Bill, for he thought it unexceptionable in its provifions ; but he thought alfo that fo little time had been allowed for its con fideration, that he could not now fuller it to be' read a third time. He therefore moved, thai (lead of the word " now" be inferted " the Bth of February." Mr. LEMON fcconded the motion, and obferved, that in his opinion the Bill would be an as polifaito law, that as fuch it would 'radially affect the rules of evidence, which are fo important to the effcntial fupport of the laws of the land ; and he o,lild not therefore fuller a Bill of fuch high impor tance to be read a third time, without being more maturely and deliberately confidered than this, in its rapid progrefs through the Route, had been. Mr. COURTIINAY warmly fupported the third reading. The Hon. Gentleman who objeded to it had, he Paid, owned that the Bill was unobjec tionable, and that, in his mind, was one of the ftrongea reafons why it fhould be !Sailed immedi ately. It was a Bill to enquire into abufes of the moft enormous kind, that had too long fubfifted, and called moft imperioufly for inflantaneous re drefs. It was a Bill that reflected the hi heft ho nour on the eminent character of the No ble Earl who recommended it. It was impoffible, he Paid, that the Consmiffioners of the Navy could invefti. gate the long and complicated accounts of five hundred Prise Agents, with the numerous train of other Accountants, who were equally ready to commit depredations on the Public. Gentlemen talked a great deal about inereafing the patronage of the Crown, and he was aftonifbed to fee them In that cafe fo very failidions. This is a clear proof to him that their objections were to men and not to meafures. He was certain theft objections would not have been made by the oppofers ofthe Bill Tome time ago and therefore he fhould vote for the Order of - tl4 Day. Lord FOLg ITO II explained, The CRAlltentot of theitibliwaa !kid, that the *Rion of the Hon. Gentleman (Mr. Lemon) went spina the Pill)i pang at all. He allowed that it was an ex psi festiolaw, as all the Bills mull be, which are for an enquiry into-abufes.— The Noble Lord, who moved the Amendment, had Paid, that the Rate of the country was as pe rilous as in 1797. This he could not agree to; but even granting this to be the cafe, it Is a dif ferent fpectes of danger, and therefore the Bill might have that operation with fafetynow,it could not then. It was impoffible, however, the oppofers of it could ferioufly think, that if it was fo objec. tionable now, it could pals in fix weeks hence.— He concurred with all thole fentiments expreffed by the Hon. Gentleman oppofite,(Mr. Courtenay) relative to the Bill, but in none more than the high encomium he had beftowed on the Noble Lord who recommended this Bill, which he doubt ed not would remain in the opinion of the Public an everlaßing monument to his honour. Lord FOLKSTON a explained. The Hon. Mr. KIN NAIRD Paid the bill was of the higheft national importance, and he objeeted to its being now read a third time, becaufe he wits convinced it did not come forward with the great authority of his Majefty's Law Officers. On a former oceafion he had moved for the Admiralty and Navy Board Patents, but he found he &odd have moved for a great many other Patents and Papers, which he was anxious the Idoure should read before the bill paffed, .by which they will find, that frtim the time of James 11. thefe Boards have been invefted with powers to enquire into all the abufes complained of. Another point he had to complain of was, that the Houfe had de parted from its ufual jealoufy and fcrupulofity of the Crown appointing any of its Members to offices of profit. The Right Hbn. Gentleman had Paid, that he did not know whether thefe offices were to have profits attached to them ; but he perceived, that by claufe C. they were made refponfible for what they did, and therefore he thought there mull be profits attached to them. Mr. SvnitGess exprefTed himfelf perfatly fejt*. fied with the oppofition he had given to the bill. He was one of the firft who began it, and he ap• pealed to the Houfe, if the bill was not almoft to tally different to that &it brought into the Houfe. He had as much admiration ofthe fplendid naval talents and charaCter of the Noble Lord at the head of the Admiralty as any man, but could not view his condu& in the fame Fen, With regard to fome of his proceedings in the civil departments of the Admiralty. He was induced to fay this in vin dication of himfelf, to whom fome perfons had at tributed fordid and interefted motives in his oppo fition to this bill. He intianced the cafes of Admi ral Sir William Parker, and a venerable and vete ran General, whole name he did not mention, both of whom the Noble Lord at the head of the Admiralty, had brought to trial, on very ferious charges, and who were both not only molt honour. ably acquitted, but the charges were bothdeclared frivolous and vexatious. For his own part, he could have no intereil in fcreening any of thofe de- 1 Unguents, for he was not in any of thofe o ffi ces, and therefore what he laid at prefent was merely in vindication of himfelf; for, as to the bill, he fhonld not fay one fingle word more upon it, after the oppofition he had given it in all its for mer flages. • Mr. FtILLIIR - Aced, if the bill paired, whether it was the intention of Government to enter imme diately on the bufinefs of the Prize Agents ? The CriancscLoa of the Excascursx answered, that would depend on the proceedings of the Com miffioners, who were the bell judges what ought to be done firft. Mr. Wall) went over nearly the fame ground he did on Friday night, and mulled that this was not a new Tribunal. In the beginning of the reign of Charles 11. a Commillion was appointed by the Houle to enquire into all manner of abufes, and in the t3th and lath of the fame reign, another Commiffion of the fame kind, by which powers to the fame extent were given. It might be faid that this was a reign not very favourable to quote precedents from. He allowed it was a very arbi trary reign, but there were good precedents, for the Commiftioners were appointed by the Honk, and ,his Majefly was very angry with his Com mons for interfering with the concerns of his Treafury. The ATTORNEY GENERAL laid, the queftion , was, whether the Bill fhouki be deferred for fix weeks? Gentlemen did not pretend to fay they did not underfland the Bill ; fome Gentlemen in deeditrho he thought were determined to obilrue the meafures of Government, had objeaed to the principle of the Bill, but their arguments had been repeatedly lillened to, and as the Houfe had fuf fered the Bill to proceed thus far, and it was of the higheft importance to give it effect as foon as poffible, he mull oppofe the Amendment. Earl TEMrr.e faid, that he and thole with whom he acted, had been repeatedly and perfonally ac cufed by the Right Hon. and Learned Gentleman who had juft fat down, with oppofing men and not meafures, and that now they wanted to ob. ftruet the meafures of Government. He mull, however, tell that Learned Gentleman, that al luding to particular perfons, and attributing to them particular motives for their condua in Par liament, was diforderly and unparliamentary lan guage, and ought not to be permitted. He wifhed to have abufes corrected, but then he would have that correaion made in a eoultitntional manner ; and he thought the prefent Bill had been fhame fully harried through the Houle. He had two queftions to alt of his Majefty's Minifters before he fat down—firft, Whether the Gentlemen, named as Commiffioners by the Bill, had fignified their acceptance ?—fecondly, How far the retro fpea was to be allowed to go back ; whether they were to look as far back as the reign of James IL to find out who were reprefentatives of perfons then in office, that they might call them to anfwer for mifapplications, &a.? Mr. SMIRIDAII faid, that no man could more cordially agree than he did, with the fentiments of the Noble Earl who had kill fat down, refpea ing the ufe of perfonalities In the Debates of that Woufe, and be-ebought the obfetvation came called Huelinhgadanneyvepreerafollietadlihtiiessmianiehaisy-,s with pettatar three, as well as grace, from h N9ble Lord, who had always fo carefully abri t A - 3 , t f u r t e h e t than d o c f a this ow n l an . ple eg n d i n ft a r fg a re ron " a thing of fhreds and patchesA"-...dt had never, when f'eaking of Minißers th i ta m ts it o t downre m t a h w e k ever t been hem dole d f a e country." His Lordtkip had ever avoided thefe things, and therefore mull have convinced th e Houfe, by precept as well as by practice, how ttemely wrong it was in t h e Ri g h t Hon. andz- Learned Gentleman to uf e aay t hi ng li ke per..r oea. lilies to him, and thole with w h om he aced .-.. As to the Bill itfelf, he had not yet heard one fingle word that weighed at all againil it, and he thought it was fo wife and fal utary a meafure, tit a t it ought not only to be paired directly , but w ith gratitude to thofc who recommended it, as well as thofe who brought it forward. An Hon Gen tieman, who had lately becom e a M em b er of that . Houle, (Mr. Kinnaird) had fail, that he moved for the Admiralty and Navy Patents, to fee if thefe Boards were not already veiled with the powers given by this Ad, but he found he had not gone far enough back ; and that the Patents of Jam es 11. had given thefe Boards powers to do all this . If, then, they had the powers, and had to long delayed or neglected to tiff them, he thought a ftrongerreafon could not he given i n favour olthe Bill. If the late Adminiftration had remained, b e believed they would 'have brought in the fame Bill, and the Houle would not have had the Noble Lord's oppofition to it. Another Hon. Gentle man had objected to the Bill, as being ex poil f a d e in its operation ; this was certainly the cafe, and yet ex ptifl faao proceedings were very often pro. dudive of the greateft good. He remembered a Rory of Queen Elizabeth, who in proceeding front one place to another had loft her purfe; there was a great buftle about it, and the quellion was, how they fhould find where it was, or what was gone with it ? Lord Burleigh's anfvver w as —. " Where do you cape& to find your purfe?—won't you go back to look for it ?" He had heard a great many clamours and charges againft the Noble Lord at the head of the Admiralty, about difmif. fang different perfons from their [cations. He could not believe, from what he knew of that No. ble Lord's high charaCter, that he would ever dit. mils any one who did not deferve to be fo difmitTed. Where he law an oppofition avowedly begun, by Rating that they do not like Mini tiers, and that they think they ought to fill filch men's places, he could not but fufpat their motives; though he would not make any fuch allufions at prefent—(a hearty laugh). He hoped therefore the Bill would pats, and when the fignal for correcting abufes was thus given from the high top-gallant-malt head of the Admiralty, he hoped loon to fee the example fol. lowed bj every other department in the kingdom. Mr. ELLISON, Mr. HARBORD, and Mr. AM. ANDER, all (poke in favour of the Bill. The CNANCELLOR of the Excat (Lust Paid, two queftions had been put to him by a Noble Lord, which he thought extraordinary a—The Grit, whe. ther the Commiffioners had accepted ? was irre gular ; he had fat in the Houle near twenty years, and hall. never heard loch a queftion before. In every inftance the relation of individuals had or;. ginated with Government, and were not the effea of applications ; but the fat is, acceptance is not neeeffary. By the Ad of the 25th of his preterit Majefly, it will be teen, that fo far from accep tance being necetrary before the palling of the Bill, a claufe provides in cafe ,of their refuted. In the prefent cafe, however, in four inftances out of the five, the acceptances have been declared. In the fifth it is not yet known to the individual, and therefore not given. As to the fecund quellion, with refpeEt to the retroepea, that he could not antiver; it mull be left to the Commiffioners. Capt. MARKHAM faid, it eas ungenerous to at• tack the Noble Lord at the head of the Admi ralty for alts to which the whole Board were privy and contenting. If Hon. Gentlemen have any charge, he hoped they would bring it forward in a manly manner, and not in that fnake-inahegrafs way in which it had been done. Lord Peciax entered into a jnflification of what he had faid in the courfe of the debates on she pre. fent Bill. When he fira afked at the Admiralty the reafon for the difmigral of the perfon at Ply mouth he had mentioned, he was told the Admiral ty did not give their reafons for dilmittils. He bad fince been informed, the perfon he had alluded to, had an opportunity given him to clear himfelf, which he had not taken advantage of; he, there fore, thought him guilty, and took this opportu nity of declaring to the Houfe, that his opinion of the cafe was entirely altered. He hoped the Hon. Gentleman (Capt. Markham) would not believe that he would fpeak any thing, either of the Noble Lord at the head "of the Admiralty, or of any one elfe, as it were, behind a fcreen. The queflion was then put, that the Bill be then read a third time and agreed to. In the courfc of moving amendments to the Bill, Mr. SHER:DAN hid, 11C fhould have liked the Bill much better if no Members of Parliament had been Commitlioners ' • but as he had heard t wo of them were profeffional Gentlemen, of fuch ho nour and talents, that their not being in the Corn. mil Lon would be a public lots, it had foinewhat reconciled him. He did not like to increafe the patronage of the Crown. In cafe of the death, or refufal to accept, of any of thefe Conintii= fioners, the nomination was in the Crown. He fhould, therefore, move an amendment, that per, font fo nominated fhould not be Members of Par- Lament. A claufc was brought up, giving a power to the Commiflioners to allow incidental expences to Clerks and other perfons. The Bill was recommitted, the dance agreed 'to, and added, and the report brought up and agreed to. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHE•VER fdid, the jealoufy of the Houfe of the appointments of an! of its Members by the Crown to p l a ces of profit. was one of its mollimportant funetions; a nd far be it from him to lelfen it. He thought, however , it might be carried too far, arid he should look ' with regret.to any circumEtance, &has ibould de* vince tiotic the the n to ati TI and c PRII 3 per I 4 per' 5 per I Long Itnp. Gov. 1 Gov. 1 rivei T over have accii If Cap to tl trri and fett rec to I ten COI f )I till 1111 In CI 1,4