Star. — London, England, 1825-04-22 00:00:00

_ . I '" . there were individuals who bad mbrepreesated k to persons who wit. not cesupetest to Isar ferlbentselver. Mr. Alderman WOOD said, he could not support this es the Petition-of the City of London, notwithstanding be , should shortly have to stand before his Constituents Kt..BROUGHAM, returned thanks to the worthy Alderman for his manly . declaration. He believed that Members stria were threatened. by their Constituents 'for this measure, would end that their Constituents were Aldettuan THOMPSON said, this was the Petition of the persnnc o'ly who had signed it; and it was ad vertised in the Public Papers. If the siguatnees had been ex amined, he doubted not that the Hen: Member (Alderman Wood) would have known many of them, as they were most respectable. Mr. C. WILSON said, that much was said of tole ration, bit he would ask if the toleration was only to be on.one side? Mr. CALCRA FT said, it was quite ludicrous to talk of this Petition, signed by WOO persons, as the Petition of London, 'Westminster, and the'Borough of Southwark. Sir E. KNATCHBULL said, that if public meetings were called, the opposers of the Bill before the House were charged with exciting the people; and if persons met with more privacy, they were getting up hole and corner petitions. Mr. BARING said, it was extremely important to ascertain in what manner the Petition had been .get up. There bed been great petitioning on the part of the Clergy ; but not a single large town in the Kingdom had met to petition against the Roman Catholics. Mr. R. MARTIN hoped the subject would now be placed in a train of enquiry; and he entreated the Hon. Baronet to get signaturei for a requisition for a Public . Meeting, at which the Mends of Ireland might be heard, and where the feelings of the people might be fairly ascertained. Mr. ABERCROMBY said, that no fair appeal had been made to the people on the Claims of the Catholici. - Ma' 'Clergy had appealed to their worst passions and prejudices, soil not to their judgment.—The Petition was laid on the tables . Mr. R. TRAVERS presented a Petition against the Cadres from Llangollen. Similar Petitions were presented front Liandiver, Walbrook; Margate, and Ipplepem. Mr. CALCRAFf said, the Petition from Marge! had been strangely got up—people had been led inte a dark room to sign skins of parchment, to which no Petition was attached. The only fair way, he contended, fat getting up a Petition, was at a public meeting, where discussion might have taken place, if individuals wished it. • Mr. C. PEL HA M said a few Words, and the Petidon was ape' dered to lie on the table. Mr. GOULIIIJRN presented a Petition from the Cabinet makers of Dublin, praying an alteration in the Combination Laws. Mr. HUME said, that the Petition stated that twenty lives had been lost in consequence of the recent altera• tion'of those laws, when, in fact, according - to the evidence upon the subject, only two persons had been killed. .. Mr. S ecretary PEEL said, he had read the evidence, and from that it appeared that ten persons had been killed, but the evidence included a period of six or seven yearn Jbe Petition was then referred to the Committee on those laws. - Mr. C. W. WYNN laid upon the table, Papers relative to the treaties with the Native Powers of India. lii. LITTLETON gave notice of •a motion for tomorrow, relative to the disfranchisement of the 40s. Freeholders. . • The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said, that he wished to move some Resolutions to-morrow, relative to Scottish Distilleries, and hciped he woad be permitted to do so, before the motion of his Honourable' Friend (Mr. Littleton). !.ADJOURNED DEBriTli. .. ... .... hostrr CATHOLIC RILLITH BILL. • I . Ye"Vt i cifi . Ol the*Dsy r for resuming the a Jburne debate - rig the - CAOIIC - Rel id' Itill' beiri g reVit• Mr. GOTABIJRN rose =amid, with. the permission of the House, he should continue the observations which - he hid entered upon the other night,..and,which he eirs•prevented from concluding by the anxiety of. the House to adjourn. He had stated that there was, in the Riwitself,,an.ample confeSsiOn s that; danger at-, tended the ccncessiart of the Catholic _Claims,. J(..,nq danger was foicsien, he did not comprehend why seca4 ;kid' sh'ould be required. : If nothing was to beltrareied' ageirtst, there was, no I r o . pf thi. irealttre;9r, geirfity '!.here being then in the Bill ,itself, 4 l aiocesiaqo 41 thstre',was".grohnd • for apprehension ip the Sore; an. . the.esitblished religion ' of • the-couritrr,' he i woult call thstaliesiiiari OT the Itoirie tiii . tfie.seenttlo, philterB*f . Thst crnsisted first in• the *iam cleclaratiPll9WQM9.eq in prble ; secoqdly, : in the pap} yriicl‘ relies pift,4 I.Ve to„Catholics; pnrithirdly, iq th e conartiohseihrfty l efs, imposed. tpr . . Oro purpose . of obtaiAling an .i:Oirapie.pf . the i loyalty of, and, to Secure' cootrpirl,ciirer„ . the fot 7.: teipondeftce.with a fore* power,,.of aper*,,,rafte4 to:aliy of fi ce of state. The first. security, ,the declaias ratibif - in' the . priiitlile,• woirldbe found to be inbalot It,r s iis y tre. that the Protestant religiOn as eiiiit)ilbed.'. itA argp .Potesteht:strOessirm, were deelaied it ‘trilabie;• bqtat 11!i_frecle:safion . be examined Alt Reit:a - lit : the paragroty4 imPort4O„r t e, (4, geepipgAlie;ittee . ,.. itil'of the t, r a p in I toteAtvt line. .k . wAaser'di.m. 04, 1 ' t1 . 14i esk having a Protestant Sing.' it wil . oflMi t icirtsi uence t o . hate, a: Legislature .that. Wes not' _Plititeitii • Ot t ' i le ts:e . cOns . .,qaence then of baring a Protestant Sovereign Wei otsolfeat•magnitude.• was it riot the Maine:So( Par: liginerii to see that* that pOint at all events was effectually seemed?.: Was this. all-important condit ion; pinyided . for sufficiently by this preamble? He wo uld say it-sr4 A ,He would say that lie saw in the 'the correspondenes o oti party themselves enough to satisfy him, that . they were ,well aware that the securi t y. for the continuation of tfie Protestant succession . would have it5 . ,1;41ii...*4 that o in fact it referred only to the present Royal Family. 11%0tild•refer 'the House to che - litter of a Gentleman, whn was - well known ai one of the persons Who ilifitrence t!ig Catholics of Ireland, and whose eYiderice..before the Committee appeared' to have affected. some Gen tlemen's minds in such a way Ns' to produCe I corn- Pkitil. aiterition of feelkog. He alluded to Mr.„O'Colinel In that Gentleman's letter, he said "-that in any se:•Ciir'ity for continuing the succession to - the Throne in the pro s& ritirily, and in the . Marion' in which it is at re:_ segt_limited,. : yie heartily, concur." Did not the frOtise sec # aii. *air* ate.4o iiio.r.g* littised., tt4tn,hs ; - and did it not . sitimarsti the HAuot.* 4 • 9l)v .' 69 * ugerg-% 6e that. the nrind.of tire writer there was the proppecta a Mby.:iiilierr chat . Faiiiily - stintild c*risk 04 . ,Tilra the ofilrgattoii to maintain the Proisitaric. A v4 i c44- i pii ...add not sitist,and when a tstthOlic.ll4,l4.,iyithopCsiny le gal hindrance, assume the Throne? !The reamble also sialictaiit tire Protestant establishitient wiii'iiidfirnied an d pa* .f.nOolable by the Apt o!l.Toiiikr If helm; derstowd.l.he terms of the Act of Unitriliglitlyt;hflook it Ao declare that the Protestant religion, andtbat alone 556144 tii trieerp:llid.ied religion of the two Countries. Ihkbe: itatilir halchy say that Oil_ Bill did establish kiiathet.religioO. This Bill reecignifedtherexistence of 100tIttit ;religrott—,it recognised its hierarchy, and it, Wriul4' bi .presently proposed: to support that body. l'hear t irlie time ago his Eight ItOri.s . rriend," the -At tiloor-cs for Irfliind, heard a Petition preieisted fislit,tlin;alic &ship:, ho stated chat he ,would . roams tbfk.tetition. a: Bishops.so long, as they de 447mmaii, sfi:..Bishops of the Roman Catholic winws rigrbqt. that to style themselves the Hilltops eg I et guidtgas Ciitholic - Chureh of Ireland wag an Mogul assemPli" which they had no right to use. FtOofivA • Upon this the pratpe • arisAptsfeillij the • qpisit Kovi_sit nSpf r; etiz i tir fact, Aid' tias athir s t which 'lt war ts eontiin . —, The next rity was the Oath preidibed in the-Hill. tly this oath the Catholic was to den the joriidiction of the Pope, in any civil and temporal matter. • He would ask, in the first place, did not the disavowal of civil ju • risdiction at once imply the existence of a spiritual juris diction? Let the House then consider what would be the condition of Protestant Members of Parliament in taking the oath of supremacy, who after they heard the Catholic take an oath implying the existence of a spiri tual jurisdiction in the Pope, should themselves take, another oath in which they declared that the Pope not' only had no jurisdiction, but that he ought not to have any jurisdiction in this realm=( Hear). He owned, on examination of the oath itself, that he viewed its terms with great jealousy. The chief ground of oppositton which he had always proceeded on was the, danger to the Church Establishment. It would be obterved that the oath obliged the Catholic to disavow any intention to disturb the Protestant Est*blishment for the purpose of' substituting the Roman Catholic', reheat. 'Miele was left open to the Catholic, so far. as -this. Oath : l4s . concerned, to disturb the Established Church . if he pleased, M as that he did not meditate the dowsifal of the existing Establishment. could vertweli derstand how a conscientious CathOlic wouldhe disp4sed' to wish for the dissolution of the Establishment, without contemplating the elevation of his oven Church. • He. could ,epily understand how, with the _sentiments and the opinions he entertained, and from it' very principle of hostility to a Church which he wits taught to believe was an erroneous worship,. and attended' with mischief in its' effects on Mankind —he 'could, fill, said, very easily understand, how a pertoo'of such description would labour for' the extermination of the Establishment', and - yet feel no ambition to raise his own Chnrch upon its ruins. Would they say that the • Es6blithed Church would be aegis e.c d in try the Ca= tholies - as the ascendant one 7 %Would they say that there was tie bean) , to the Establishment enter tained by the Catholics ? Let them see how it veas' spoken of by the heads of the . Catholics. Let theM hear the terms that were. used in respect to it by' Dr. D.,yle. lime the Right Hon-Gentleman reed ex tracts from t' e writ ngs of Dr. Doyle, under the sig nature of J: K. L. in which he ailtided to the church Establishment in, terms of no measured reprobitiOn. GOD forbid we should charge the Catholics with en-, , tertaining cpinions against the security o!' Government or the well-being of society I In the present Bill two .oaths,were explained away. and •disposed of ; hut - . he • was quite satis fi ed that, , throughout the Bi I,.Catholic prejudices were consulted rather than Protest lot feel jogs. It was provided th*it a 'commission, Consisting of four Bishops; - should be the pledges of the Church se curity. . They were to disclose wha ever was incon , sistenc with loyalty and riblic security. Yet be it re collected, that'while they weie boiled to tell nis -Ma jesty whatever they knew, they were not bound to tell all titty. knew : ('liters). — If anything came from' abroad vzhich they close to .corrirnui.icate, theY %eve tp communicate it. But what security vkas . there tl4t they would communicate all which carnefrom alioad was argued that there was a security .against a Bisjiop, being appointed who was d.sloyal, or unfit for, his high station in the leyait y and ckualifEations or , the other' Billi Ops. But could they r• fuse to appoint. a .11;sbcip, actin was recnosmended. by Are, Poise ? 'l i ken they wete . to .report. only to hialkliesty. 1 1 11;1 • 'sere not reqtured to tell allsthat migtit appear d roger= Xtigy .tpig4,, is) Oniniuntp e 194,075* ss , p innoricius, and conceal whatever was JC,o cis ceuld be more effective in tl e han . of...Priest,s, He vioald - ask the Honsewhether frisk Roman Catholic % 1 6:crephe . pylikpS. of the krotvfof for an niplabatinh gofer cOmmtinicatienis between the Pope ana..rdsWiear osio sal' iii Ehgyand . But we l Were, : tcild ~thit tee' Weie;tcci • s tiikti othpi ittrOaik*wincli . were th' he sip: , 4nded to this ISA Of them l i e c - At d . only * tvt, gey were not now before. the. How, Whether they amere measures of fie` or of regulationkbesoold *ol:kst folied:tf the' ciantel t uences'of the fiendamental !niesiibre"o2 eln.lftVie jrne Xtries stfr r e aitisOied l The P.st nseasite was the di,erihaliirig the 4115:;,( Y 4i biti p - : 1;4 thcHon. Baronet.wbo. Omen ;inn. to - diirealiclilsee'very fret holder at ence,•or did he rrjean to disfranchise eves y freeholdei Only at‘ the end sol . his lease? Itlhey were at once to be deprived of errflieeldlits,'• he asked where the justice' of such 4)iiiitett they w ere to ekijely their reasolds.dnespg.oe., tog, he asked iloi r lierri . belk,r . eipedinliy , his .frion. Friends the Hon. h••inibers• qr ktrirniglionif Downshire, whist .security sake. change iebtild . frerd', , meastrif?—(l:orid clee4 • Tlie, ,'sec~nd'rßjy re toss a lientl4lielitt.Pt9qo.°loo-;001* Pau Catholic tlergy., Such eprovisiOn he Considered' nl:at variance the principles on which the fie- TorMAllOiski t beeii „founded. If indeed the Roman tCaitiolic ItAigion eras so much changed,. that preached very neatly to the Aberality sot Protestaint.m; *sat occasion' ..w.rs there for a Protestant Establish merit et . all ?—(ieerit • cheering). Unlest, perhaps, the offal' thilitSgliuit, as an Honourable end !Learned Gentleman.had:said, increased inversely as the parties appe.ortimated. Had, the friends of this awe snre - considered how the people of this-country were disposed,tonaiy.this contribution - to the Clergy? Had it been considered, for ihst'inte, how . the.Presbyteriarts •01-Scothuad felt disposed t o pay:. the Roman Catholic Priests? jt had been'argued that the. Scriptures were regatdo sii,the'perartiount rile of doCtrine and con duct in thetailkilc - Chtirch ; but ghee SerlOtwe was. dim* Opposed to the observances of the Clmich;ii . ha s t' could be given that the authority of Scripatre. Pri?fft-t(CO e etti). ~ The, Rigist Honoirahle, Gepe. l 4ll2lrgtetrid to . ev ide n ce S ven befoie a Ct;ni , ; ;pima, in order to show that, private individual judk :Ilea was not allowed by the Church of Rome. PM principle Of that Chtilih was to combine all means in at lectasplithing dieinpurposes. This he considered a detest= able priociple. They. now relied upon the Protesters; Church for support in this very measure. If the Haus: granted thii, it would be only the beginning of a series of measures of the same kind: and every succeeding *nature would come supported with additional strength. Would any man in that House say that the Hon. Member for Montrose's proposition for reducing the Church Establishment in Ireland would not. be better supported after this measure had been carried? On the ground . of protecting everything held dear by Englishmen—on the ground of • warding off all the evils which we ought to avoid as the very greatest—on the principle of maintaining our laws and liberties, not only as recognised at the Revolution, but as lonising the essence of the Reformation—on every prim. ale sad collaiJenlafin he shootd give rn lus unreel: to tfifi Bill in all its stags. . • .(The 'ficie. - Ventientie was losialyaiirea at tat sea, Oho of Minima.) LorieLINDSAY spokeirery'brieflY' and 4 irti tttttTlri e mi t srvsuppott the measure fee the &it tate, bavidg fotaierti resisted others of a similar mire. - Lord BINNING knew not that in the, whole course of his Parliamentary life he had ever' heard a speech which had given him such pleasure as that delivered at the commencement of the:debate; by. the' Honour :able Member for Armagh. Tue. Hon. Gentleman (Mr. Goulburn) had truly described tbe present state of Ire land • but what was the remedy .he r proposed for the evils he alluded •to? Why, to leave - 0 . 40i as they are r). Of all the'chanies:'.:lnilibed,,takeh' place in recent times, none was more remark lo than those of the principles' upon which' the present meastire had, St:Warlitiut'tinsei 'been intitidneed: . He - recollected the dine wheo ,one Hon.. bleml4f(DEPageo)i . o) svatij came down to . the 'House attired against the.Catitolics .with 'Ponderiius folios; and when'that Hon. Gentleman piuglirOped ao Bitrtmeti . (Sit, John Phi s ilipPisley) equally - pod's i4rous—(iilatigi); The question hold 14-..0 opposed by the Member for Corfe - Castle, in the same manneras if 'he. /lodge had been *gbfrie s into cfifistriluee of Stipply 7 ,Ther e could lieoA s clipget-or a' want of siacciOcin meYr'oteitant line, from thenbmber . hem in re. ainder. The cineitiiat was 'not as to the existence of a Catholic Chula •in Ireland. That Church did 'exist —and the object of [Ad nit was' to render ttaleamtenee ciwnpatible with the sifeilo(the Established Church. 1-114 Right Honourable Friend wilt alio haunted by the ! letters -of Dr. Dbllie..• The MANI '‘4iip• 'with spirittirti'ttreirit; ,lettersl were ovlielen. at the sae , time did milt see an'yi:lcansistelicr between . Owe letters' and the evi dence' r isen th. Dr: Doyle . before the Conimittee:' All the relit' tfki',orDr: Doyle referred' to • terhpOral martel.n.' That Prilitio7,Preferria Etng land to any without the pale of his own Church. ,There had ,biers do uriWillitigness on the part . of D' y*; . adttlit' that he win' the ainhor of the' letters atgoed J:.l L': lailka, he -triiist . have beett' au are that the fact was well known to t' e COmmittee. had'thete bee 'any c4tradiction, he was hound to )ielieve'the evidenceara'Clirlitiattlitillap, in preference of that of an : iriitatOpniiip;C. l'helaninage of pi . . Doyle was not that of a Catholic of the age of Pope *Mince nor Gregory. But Dr: Doyle was not - singular lo his opiliiiMs' at to the 'altabliiheit Cfriirkli.' The . so rne wetethe sentimepts,of Abe Catholic prelittes`of of the Catholic Archbishop cf Tuani,•and of the excel ient Dr. Murray. He would Opooie; : as much . as the MeMlier' flii"Ccirfe`casite,..flir rtg Merit, but thee- . not the: Case:: .At' all. eveotille r eould not .object to a measure that would tranquillise AetO tht - inab'fotipayintthe Catholic Clergy, e theiighetile!sitieWin'Of' Open* . when . the objett . wa:so betieatb:ol care Of` a great: oi tion—( Hear, hear 4t He congretulated the House and the country upon the progress:the meature had already !Made, for he helieied that alililVtiftliiinaturewas the tEue theinlita-; :ture•Were to•liegin,by iscitrti ofthe of Ireland, it might:peoceed:with those other measures i nS•ce.sary to itt & w onhith' could . never be totiO4u:et.fpilai thkkiite fineatton of Manespattql) Was . scp e • The Cithonci :text themselves an excluded, a degraded, and a perse cuted elail' ' o arid' they looked with stApftion upon every proposed;oposed.. 1 . 41 these WhO'kvithlieldfrarn 'thetas indult they deenied to he their r%Slits. He hOPecl,.there= ifere; that the House would porsevere as it had betin et z ithat the Bill would be writ by a largeMajeirity to the olive{ and that it would 14 tliergetteuded wiih clod slittess I. and after' iliciving.the-R4Ol Asisdi# briery:B444nm - a law,' bkcioine the Istro_ogest safegoarder she litiplee—(fAiii4 cheering),- • Mr. WAl;tilearrid; Ob . Oka' was more aliZidtta . 4 0 . mteir to 'cc the Objectritibilnetrat which" tliis'Bilt pfotessed to aim and if fie slietilt wifigit. e t fPgi those objects, !eclat seine sactikee o theCrinitfiution, the should give it his vote with: mote gratification than e now expressed his reluctant opposition tathe mew sore. The passing of. th e QUI would, ii his opioioni give as much dissatisfaction -to One . party as it would give satisfaction to another, and could - not th ereby traa. quillize the colony, It tlierefOre appeared to him* 'least evil of the two to brave existing. dangers Atma to , ,create new ones. , Looking to the evidence before the iCommittee, he, found that rrlueh, indepentient of, thiti Measure, might be done for Ireland, and -he should pep fer introducing Other ,changes first,, and jeering this -list, it it were deemed necessary. This he also tonsi._ .dered an unfit' time to pass such an. Act. „At another period the' Catholics. might come forward with re spectful solicitations, but,Parliatneot coheir. in Ind, that wi h whatever moderation their Volition was orded, and in whatever terms of„conciliption the ourable Baronet introduced the . question to the House, still the•Petitioa:cmatiated from. the Catholic. Astocistion—a body which , the Legislature was,, so 'recently compelled to put down by a special It Might hereafter be conceded, without compromising the dignity of the House ; bat now it would, : be 'pow-, 'dered a sacrifice and peace-Offering to the Catholc :Association. No ParliarnentwOold pro bably assent to that conclusion, but they were to weigh. Well what might be felt outside.. of ,its doors. They : might.to look to the feelings with which the Catholics • • d receive the measure. Two lights in which tliis question might be viewed were, as. a measure, to give slid:faction, and as one to put ap end to evils which . rimy prevailed. „Seine persons had- said that there was Ito danger in these contesuons, but be (Mr. Wallace) thought it wai most dangerous to trench Upon a fun damental- principle of the Constitution: It also 'red to him mestdangerous to give additional power to a neW • party iii die State. Our ancestors felt that a Protestant King was no security for their liberties, unless c annonaded by a Protestant council, and Sup-: ported by a Protestant Legislature. With respect to the conversion of some Honourable Members, be must observe, that the opinions given-in evidence, and by which they had been influeoced, were not'new to him; but he denied that in the official acts or avowed pre. tension; of the See of Rome there Was theleast change. The only security, in his opinion, which could be pro. posed, was a- substantial interference b' Government en the appointment of the Romish Bishops ; nor_ was such an interference really inconsistent with the disci pline or doctrine of their religion. It was said in the evidence last year, that the mass of the people of Ire land slid not think their Inteeests idelalled with Catholic Bolan:. cipation, and to grant it could not therefore confer any advatitige upon them. For these lease's he should vote against the Bill. Mr. PORThIAtI declared himself a firm supporter Of the Established Church, but a friend of civil and reli lious toleration. This Bill would seam the peaciand content of Iceland, and with that conviction he should _ • . I S 'yob he the The mama yogi, to dintlaktraWa fiesh &err to and new viewer se the Cosetinakes .''.. Lord YALLETORT declared itim self tine Of the many converts to the present Bill, and he believed if all ,w4nse prejudices-4e meant Opinionk derived from ant thority,and not from reason and intuit y—were removed by the evidence before the 'magi% Committees, were to declare themselves, the conversooa t- ,winildint,fbnack more niihiertalf * thin" vial' sntinlie Billianelpettin might be delayed, but every men,-evenlii Moitebstla nate enelatektmutbe*Cenrutettk,lhAt. lo PlNT:or talft vi a.; lasuill beearded. 7 older, beatf.4-ile immix give hii hearty to suiliptitur the mil. . .. ~ ~ . . - Mr. Weary. CAI*INING . thett 'TOM, Vilest- lomf chiettlreit'all &Wert thelfbitierrOttetV *tither': Filial to my lotto ailittaii the HOissernititii linpoi Oak question; I epiiibitili: hi' cbdiMetaiinii; ' chi :thepfeseit i: occasion, With verfpecutir tactile - alai; fii, hi'titivele linfo'veillaiilseatkir i grotiid, thesobtect TiressMs Id me 1' crew' and most cheering) FitOspeCia;.(iflear;.tieini..a Whether or no - itte - ogntiti Of the-cOunitj'haebterni' strongly pronounced against tbdlic onneestior o as — . .... ~,„,,,„,,,orfs' atottlytarmight - be - infeired' f in' the ntumbei of •Petittnekl wilt `not' undertateltie sir 'bet' of iblil am ;lA, that anititieth i e readeilerrwTio lie l'lr addressed theHouee; beweyerireai reeile 'chili - sin:. verity and -theft' zeal, there is ninth, , Ind trOeafrienoi dispalagfnily.nuth of igWnyinte:# this Rietitioiltt nerally--(plieeirs). , I feel ' as sititilleaf . app tian th e .. propt iety of throwtog-Open . the 'doors of Parl iament to the - Petitionsvf the` people t bat - at - the -same-titne -it • it the duti'of - . the Howie to printennet • a.decitien ors ita own' inclgment r . TO' the country' generally' I Canted* this right, and to thetlergy, , who are in advance, the' girardians•uf - the . religiousiostieutioni Of• the countty, I siot 6filYeatend - toteritiott,; but atiAlatid theiti, when' they come forWara' te ) eiiiriSi theft' c4iiitia opinions on a question of sigh importance.:-(Flear, hefir),..- But as an instance of the-ignorance to-which I allude, I will call theattention of theiViose- to one Petitloo; , •sviiliOii staking•the Wee Whence - it . cairie;' as I' die% ;nothing jovidinus. These Petitioners - Fita s j; 4 .that YoUr g • liinichirable Hduse would not extend to the Roman Ca. tholics - tb64 - privilizes a lith 'were Withheld From other t ilaitets of Disieitterb. MciF, •it INfiecalled n pots tb (declare, what my (Meet is in supporting, the ' present Bill, I wodid sa•yohat it is' to place the. Catholic Div: 'writer on the same footinras the-atherDisienters {Hear; heat-) ;' anal' would Coiffend • thardiliTetition and' the other Petitions, of yehteli'tqi.Osse' specfinen, does not apply against my view of she question, nor, indeed, agatost•tha Bill itself—(Hear, stark I•do not go the lerigtis s of sayifig.thatit'vft/dthe right-to' remove all political disahaitiels'on's4dilni'cif religion. I' ain font ptedominant - Churcb, and - IwOrild 'not meddle with the lows by which-that' preddiniaancy isletured- to - the ,Church of' Englaudiunleis'lt shits' that ajeit - eootr neeteil with' a iiittitiltileir•inee. eetfitrilietifiA from the Dissenters surprised me rnoch,and I could noli help noticing, with - some astrinistinient, that-the - debate otthit,'aiiircif the' ftittnelidghtf, itiettnnetTniore upnit theologicalpoints than 1 remember the Houle tiliare in! , • - dplged in befttfel' I ninsiirptised Irk see, with *reference tti 'those theolo O cat ' pOittfli that'. the Chufth'ol . Boglind tOes not chalkier' the Cathnlie Dissenieri mere - con. gebig'iltli tbeir ON :cikiialoiti' in some . 1441Cai than other'e)iiiiki : , of! D)iiii'dirs; . te..V:l - ilitti it . 414 'a Opear, that . they have nis.cbjectiot): Sot the sy mpatny is qtilto the other way. Now .what - is it that weldiject to-in' the Catholic belief ? One dottrioeit tliitt‘of ttAnsublistfr tlitlon. Gob ib T rtild, thitt withidthes viaili, and liefdrW s this. Assembly; I should enter...int.:is:4 discistiOn upon' articles of Christian faith; But when - we regret-44g obe man believes in transubsittritiation;otttpinceen softie ao co'excitsjCliiip i frinn'Patilainent iif;coilskiiiiiiiieof Abet belief, let it not be forgotten that' the man ' who bplieves - in'antobstantiaiiritsits at'out' side, and enjoys Avery priviegroftbranittitatitiii: I do not profess to en. : ttif iiktelhe dire/lei' df thiAe'dectiines* but be viliii*C4a: tlll USe A ssiiP a' ititl4 coucitikloi, witiv ni WY . be'die:: fld to hint i n dispittaiiO4 . bOt cahoot be 01, the, rintalle sbieiee in any of theconsmen•pueposesatillte•(.l lairgily 101 chuftbes ate in' theif nature exclusive; Wit When we make it a prominent cliO•ge - against. the. Catholic. Church th at theyare exclus ive, let us - net forget Ain Athanasian Creed—(ffearilie r)—whiclo says after enninetatint the' subltnie - Mysteries of' Otte telikiak , that , the man *hti• MOP not . , belleir in' there wile be daitinett.,(ooF,44+;,kee4-;-:Piii' diae.Churiti' to eery, that. the Catholic Church' is exclusive; amount* .10 at absurdity farm' which' the - anderstanding. ftt CAAK Atithibiib nntliiiiilideprejbilitee dide,aCeodb,tiliti 'Mach stres s is' also lands '' cialli'diictifiiii•of absobilßini . which has been grossly asisrepreseuted. . According * to the avideno given before the Cpmenitteev i i i taeate , at . thilsibisitittlnfkii edittliddfiar; . ilideed,' • tfè had stitheevideace to jititi d' ik ,sigi' We 4) - ' ' 0 Avery person who inquired candidly into the 'abject", that' me Catholic Chercte tdi sssid tut offer' hat mdiW then acolidltiotatabicilhe 'tit the Penitent: If 64* tte the case,_ kwill, ask any manti tea a seeteitil* if our own Prayer;-book . on . chi Visitation of the Mari !berth* will see the very same - dnetrine,' inserted ies. the very same words its those stated befittotlia Ctitdo soittee,..:(lllrer t 'Werri•MzlitiSohlbectliiditiOn Of sitiOrle lepentante, Of renovincwg sin, and deteritining - ta lead a near lifeitharsalvatiinia protnitad, on Aldrinstlimity of Scripture, .by the Clergy_of both Churches. r chi - not rneente,pity, th at she s hades of .dibreicei are not, Wide enough to make me - rejoiCe that wit bas sesiarated. • . i. the Church of Rome; but Ida say,. that they sib OM Wade enotkgh W *idly ni in denounci4 die' a scion aof the)lothaii Catholia, as ineOmpatibiewitt . discharge of their duties ' iiiiiiod sibjects, eta ' • leathers of the State. Ido not drew the confpuebois invidiously, . but I alti turtdsbds When a glaAtlll • conies - before us. for Ali tithe Beth' or &midge; . . , 'we can think of gnat rating with the' Catholic aintai. )grounds such as I have described, when we sit by the side and Vote ii the Rouse ' with thotir *lto 'deny the divinity of our B.tvrover--(Hear, siesstp:-.. If theological tenets are to have any weight, that de nial is surely a strooger badge of dissent than any that' can be charged against those who are to be afFected'fif the Bill. Another of the objections insisted on iii the overweening merit and efficacy Which they ascribe tee individual actions. This they certainly do ; but would it not be more dangerous to a State to' make &id' Works nothing, 'and faith riterything ?—(liedr, heat). We are talking tithe subjects of the State, and I would. prefer the man who insisted on the necessity of good works as part of his religious creed, to the man who' considered himself controuled in all his actions by an inexorable fate.. We have had in Parliament, and in the highest offices of Government, Unitarians, and Socinians, as I could easily litotes But then* come 'the Political otijeetiOni;. a Papist , it is said, cannot 'bear dui illigtana t o i Sovereign of this ternary.— : MIN