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;44 .:1 . • • ical coranablin . so conferred by the Noble Lord. — All that appeared was, that no attention had been pail to the rights of the Genoese . He depied that the intention was merely to establish a provisional Government ; for it was clearly understood, and' wished by the Qeneese themselves, that the Govern. ment proposed to them was to be permanent. — Whether the act of our Minister was right or wrong, it was our linty to abide by it. But a - British secre tary of Sate, while absent many hundred miles from his own country, took upon him to give instructions of his own authority, without the possibility of his 'being directe4l by his Government to do so, and which ihstructions were to suspend every thing which had been done by Lord W. Bentinck. He was, therefore, clearly of opinion, that the charge of a breach of faith Tested wholly with our Government. The liar' of ‘VESTMORELAND said, the prin ciple the Allies went upon was, that, in the coun tries that had been conquered horn France, there should be such arrangements made as should pro, mote the peace and the security of Europe ; and Genoa came under the description of these countries. He contended, that the instructions to Lord William Bentinck were not to promise any particular consti. union to Genoa, but to offer their assistance in case they chose to rise up against the common enemy. An attack was made upon Genoa while it was in possession of the French. The French were driven out of it; and he contended, that a complete con quest had thus been made of the place. Lord Wm. issued a Proclamation after this, in which lie toid the Genoese that lie established a provisional Government, and did not make any promise that they snook' have their ancient Constitution restored to them. The Genoese, at the time, considered this to be only a provisional government, which they peti. Coned to have made permanent, and then Lord Castlereagh sent word that the Government should only be provisional. Earl GREY felt that if Lord Wm. Bentinck acted in the manner he did, he had violated his duty. Had Lord \Vm. • Bentinck no authority for what he did when he offered the Genoese the assistance of Bri tain ?* He had the authority of his own Government ; and most clearly gave the Genoese to understand that their independence was to be preserved, when he offered them his assistance to shake off the yoke of France. In consequence of the pledge thus given by Lord Wm. Bentinck, he obtained possession of Genoa ; and had before him the Treaty of Chau mont to act upon, for the object it was understood lie had in view was, to procure a general and secure peace for Europe. A Provisional Government must have first taken place as a matter of course, until the elements of the ancient Government could be collected. It was an act of quibbling and evasion to say that any thing else was intended. The Pro clamation called on the Genoese and the people of Italy to rise and defend their rights : but Lord Cas tlereagh thought proper, of his own authority, to give a differt.nt set of instructions : at length when Genoa was annexed to Piedmont under pretence that a bar rier was to be raised against France, a French aiul net a British interest was created. He really believed if we had established Genoa as an independent State it always entertain a sense of gratitude to wards us, and would at all times be a powerful ally on our side. The Genoese disliked the Piedmontese Government, and their union was a measure directly contrary to our interests. Thus had we for an object at least doubtful, and contrary to every right of con quest (for the right did not apply in this case), com mitted an act at once unjust, infamous, and ; injurinu; to our chat acter and our interests. 'The Earl of I.IVERPOOL denied that there had been any breach of faith with the Gentlest.. lie ex plained the policy pursued by England with respect to Italy, in 'the years 1811, 1812, and MI% The Proclamation of Lord Win. 13..ritinck established a proviiional Government, but did not pledge this country or its Allies to the test:)ration of the ancient Constitution of the Republic. There had been no Leach of good faith, and expectations bad never been excited in the Genoese, or in any way counte nanced, which had afterwards been disappointed.— The arrangement made with respect to Genoa he defended, as resulting from a wise and provident policy. That power, which was the guardian of the Alps, ought to be strong enough to defend them against France, and that object could not be secured IL to Piedmont was not added the whole, or at any rate the greater part of the Genoese territory. The Marquis of BUCKINGHAM, in reply, said, that even allawink most of the principles on which the Noble Earl haU founded his argument, he would still prove that this country had broken faith with Genoa ; for if the Government of this country did not wish to observe the Proclamation, why did they not recall Lord Wm. Bentinck, and thus disavow it ? But neither of these things were done, and not being None, he contended, the Genoese had'every right to expect that their ancient form of Government would be restored. Their Lordships then divided—Contents, 25 rroxies, 14—* Non-Contents, 65—Proxies, 46 ~ 111. Majority against the Motion-7'2. Adjourned at One o'Clock. HOUSE QF COMMONS. The SOI,ICITOR-UINERAL brought in A Bill for enabling the Col ttttt issioners of 'Greenwich Hospital, to transfer certain Vtinds, winch was read a first time, and ordered to be read a sctond time to.noirrinv. Mr. TA YLOR moved the second reading of the Bill for better Paving the Metriipoffs, for the parpcise of postponing the sane. He said, thai he had held a conference with a deputation from the dire:nit Parishes on this subject; they expressed as their opinion, that if he would put off the farther discussion of it until post' *Woo, .he would afford them an opportunity of coming to &Glue better arrangekent on it; and that, in the mean time, :1. 4: y would take Care to have the streets kept in proper repair.— ' t;'. : would, tberefore, with the permission of the House, move then the urdt!r fbr the second reading be discharged. The order was discharged ;iccordeniiy. Mr. JOHNSON brought up as Account of the number of De • Alarations filed in the Courts of Common Pleas and Eihiquer hi itellind, Voids the Verdicti and lodgments of Court •on the same.—Ordered to lie on the table. 'Lord G. BE ES FORD stated, that his Royal Highness the Prihce Regent had received the Addhess of the House of the 20cil histant, calling for certain Papers, and that he had been gra , l-• dusty pleased to order them accordingly. Mr.CROKER moved for Copies of the Memorial of certain Barrack - Masters laid before the Board of Admiraky, with the opinions of the EasoOfffeers of Chi Crown thereon.Ord"..red:' liffr,'ELUS brought up an Amount of the number of Persons admitted into the British Museum fbr the year lea—Ordered to Ile hen the table. ' • • • Ob die Moaliti of sit piT la Moo' t, the order for the second emsling II the — WOO/1a Cabal)lO was discharged for this &MOM • • • • • Jt • Lard CASTLIMABI4 IttrAfitttipt CND otthe Substance of the Treaty signed at Vienna on the ssth or Mirth, between 'the Emperors of Austria and Russia. the King 9f Prussia, and his Britannic Majesty, with a Memorandum relative thereto, da ted Foreign pikes, April 12.—Ordered tP he 011 the table. Alf. B. WILBRAHAM moved that the Annital Apprentice Committee be appoiuted.—Ordered. Mr. Mc:OGDEN brought u? the Report of the Scotch Inferior Courts Competwation Bill, which was agreed to. The Scotch Hawkers and Pedlars License Bill was read a se cond time, and ordered to be committed on Thursday. The Scotch Records Bill was read a third time and passed. On the motion of Mr. G. Rost, the third reading Of the Sea men's Willsßill was postponed to this day week. A Message trom the Lords announced that their Lordships had passed the Scotch Jury Bill without any amendments. TUE LATE TREATY OF VIENNA. On . Mr. BROGDEN bringing up the Report of the Committee of Supply, Mr. WHITBREAD rose. He observed, that in looking over the substance of the Treaty which the Noble Lord opposite had just laid on the Table, he found it had been declared by the Allies, that they did not go to war for the purpose of imposing any particular form of Government on the French people. tie would ask the Noble Lord, was he to infer from this that their object in going to war was to destroy the power of Bonaparte ? Lord CASTLEREAGH admitted, that it was the object of the Allies who had signed that Treaty, to destroy the power of Bonaparte, which they considered as dangerous to the future tranquillity of Europe. Mr. WHITBREAD—gg Am 1 then, Sir, to un derstand from the Noble Lord, that there is any en gagement on the part of the Allies not to make peace with France, whilst Bonaparte is at the head of her Government r' Lord CASTLEREAGH replied, that the Allies might dissolve any engagement which they had made if they found it necessary, but certainly their object in making it was to destroy the power of Bonaparte. Mr. WHITBREAD said, he had understood that, at the time the Message of his Royal Highness the Prince Regent came down, there was an alternative of peace or war, but the documents now before him would lead him to think that the alternative was Lone by. He would wish to hear from the Noble ord whether there was still any alternative Lord CASTLEREAGH said, he could only an. sorer the question of the Honourable Member by re peating what he had said before, that the Allies might possibly be induced to dissolve that Treaty, though he did not think it was probable they would. Mr. WHITBREAD said, he had put a plain question ; but the Noble Lord had as usual given an equivocal answer. It would rest with his Honoura ble Friends who had voted for the Address on a for mer evening to explain the Noble Lord's meaning ; but be was firmly of opinion that we bad now no al ternative but war. It was- his wish that the House should have some information on this most important subject ; he wished that Ministers would do of them selves what the• Crown, he supposed, would do in a short time. If this information were denied, he would feel it his duty to take the sense of the House on it some day in the week. Lord CASTLEREAGH said, that at present he could give no other information than he had stated ; but the Honourable Member could, if he choir, take the sense of the Ho ise on the Treaty. Mr. TIERNEY wished to ask the Noble Lord whether, in the late arrangements made with the Allies, any engage rent was entered into on the part of this ()overturn nt, to take from Russia a debt of two millions and a hal•, which she had contracted with Holland, and add i. to the debt of this country. Lord CASTLEREAGH said, that under present circumstances he e iuld give no answer to that ques"- tion. ( Hear, ho.r ? heur t from the Olphrilion Benebet.) Mr. T IERNEY in asking the qu'estion, did not mean to allude to any arrangements made for the un poiding war, but to any 1 tamer ones which were made : he did not conceive lie wak premature in ask ing this question. The House had a right to know whether the enormous sum of two millions and it half was to be added to their present he ivy debt, and to know, if it were, what equivalent was to be given.' They should know what engagements had been made to this effect. Lind CASTLEREAGH would only say. that in any engagement which had been made, there was not one in which the honour and interest of this country were not particularly consulted. (Hear, hear, hear.) Mr. WHITBREAD then gave notice, that on Friday next he would submit a motion to the House, and take the sense of it, on the present state of this country with regard to peace or war. Mr. PONSONBY wished to ask the Noble Secre tary of State a question, as to the document at the toot of this Treaty; by that it appeared, that it was received on the .sth of this month ; that dispatches were sent off relative to it on the Sill, and instruc tions given to Lord Clancarty to sign a subsidiary Treaty. He would be anxious to learn what those instructions were, on what grounds the subsidy was to be given, and to what amount ? instructions to this effect must have been given, for surely he would not suppose that Lord Clancarty had got a power of acting in this respect as he pleased. Lord CASTLEREAGH did not know to what extent the questions of Honourable Members on the other side would extend ; he conceived the only object of them could be, to give the House a premature anticipation of matters which were not re gularly before them, but of which they would be in formed in due time; he did not see the propriety of the questions, or of his answering them at that moment. Mr. PONSONBY contended, it was not improper for him to ptit the questions, and for the Noble Lord it, answer them—(Hear, hear).—lt appeared from the documents then before the House, that some sub sidiary engagements had been entered into ; if so they had g right to be informed what those engage. menu were ; they went to bind the Crown to the payment of certain sums, and if the House was not informed of them time enough to judge of their propriety, they would be reduced to the alternative, when informed of them, either, by reftising to as sent to :hem, to bleak the faith of the *Crown, or,. by granting them, to vote sums of which they did not see the necessity..—(Hgar, h ear .) ' Lord CAST LEREAOH said, • the putting , of such questions tended to subvert. the Constitution by ' the power and, prerogative b the Crown in making 'arrangemails with its Allies. Mr. PONSONBY dented that *the queitions he had put tended in' any vr4 'to subvert the constitti. lion. • The Crown, it was itUe l had a right to make t • peace of declare war, but It Lad no right to bind that House to the payment of any turns of which they 'did not see the necessity. The system of the Noble Lord and his colleagues went to establish this, they first made the Treaty, and after it was ratified on both sides, then and not till then they gave the Bane some information by which they could be enabled to judge of its propriety.— (Hear, hear.) Lord CASTLEREAGH stated, that the charge made on the Crown, of its pledging the House, was not founded on fact. Foreign Powers themselves never understood more, by our subsidiary engage. ments, than that the Crown would recommend to Parliament to grant supplies to the amount required. (ficar, hear.) Sir JAMES MACKINTOSH understood the Noble Lord to have given it as his opinion, that for Ministers to state beforehand the amount of a Subsi diary Treaty, would be a subversion of the C mstitu tion.—( Hear, hear, awl No, no, from the Afinisterial side.) The Report of Supply was then agreed to. A long conversation then ensued between Mr. WHITBREAD, Lord Ysiumourn, Mr. Ti 1.304 iw, and Lord CASILERLAGII, relative to the commission under which Lord Yarmouth, and John Nash, and Charles Bicknell, Esqrs. exercised any authority as keepers of the King's Park. The SPEAKER having observed that there was no question before the House, Mr. WHITBREAD moved, that there be laid before it copies of any commission, deed; or instru• anent under which the above mentioned Nobleman and Gentlemen exercised their authority. This was negatived without a division. BOVA 1. 110LsEl IGLU. Sir CHARLES BURRELL rose, pursuint to notice, to call the attention of the House to the sub ject of fees or gratuities taktoh by the inferior servants of the Royal Household. This odious practice had prevailed for a considerable time. Foreigners com plained, that every• thing in this country was to be paid for, and even the Sovereign could not be seen without a fee. Meritorious officers, who bad shed their blood in the defence of their country, and had gained the approbation of their Sovereign, Were not exempted from the payment of vales. Under his Royal Highness, as Prince of Wales, no such disgraceful practice prevailed, and more attentive servants were j never seen than those in Royal Highness's service. The persons to whom he alluded as taking fees and , J 1 gratuities were those in' the Royal Household, the marthalmen, groom -porters, and others. Being con- . vinced that there could not be a dissentient voice to doing away a practice so derogatory to the Crown, and so disgraceful to the nation at large, he would. conclude with moving, 66 That an humble Address should be presented to his Royal Highness the Prince Regent, praying that his Royal Highness would be graciously pleased to take into consideration so much of the Report of the Committee appointed to enquite into the Civil List in the years 1812 and 1813, as re lated to the modes of remunerating the.• interior ser vants of the royal household'' The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER would not now oppose the motion, but would Lot pledge himself to support it, if it was found that the expense of providing for the servants would be too heavy, which he feared would be the case. After some observations from Mr. H. SUMNER and' (Sir C. BunttEL, the Address was agreed to. TAX IN IRELAND. Mr. BANKES rose, in pursuance of notice, to mov.: that Ireland be made liable to this Tax. He had caused the 7tli article of Unio►► between Ireland And this country to be noticed, that it might be seen that the Tax might be extended upon constitutional principles. He saw no tax that wag more productive ' to the country than the Property Tax, and none more just could be adopted. If those who paid this tax did defraud or evade at all, their offence extended no farther than themselves. This was not the case where there were duties on spirits and the like ; here a man might defraud the revenue, and by selling it cheaper from that fraud, he would, as it were, tend to demo ralise the people, by allowing them to have the cause of vice at en easier rate. Not only does this apply to the lower orders, but it affects the superior classes. Charging the interest of the funded debt against the full ordinary revenue of the country, Ireland wanted £400,060 to be worth nothing,' and from farther calculations, which the Hon. Member gave, he conceived that the country must still decrease in revenue if some new mode of increasing it were not speedily resorted to. If we could put that part of the United Kingdom into some way of paying off its debts, or of preventing the influx of more debt, it would certainly be more advisable. The method of raising taxes from tobacco, spirits, glass, &c. he shewed, had not answered with Ireland, nor was it likely they ever would answer. The Hearth Tax, he had heard, was much complained of, and he conceived that the Income Tax would not press heavily. He then came to consider of the state of Ireland in gene ral. True it was he had not been in Ireland—how, it might be asked, was he to know what was pod for it ? That there might be no mistake, however, he would take the country in two states, and argue the point on both. It was said, on the one hand, that Ireland was in a state very nearly like England, at the present period. If it was so, then was Ireland more , fit to pay the Property Tax. On the other hand Ireland had been in a very bad state; it had been ne cessary to have military to support the tax-gatherers in the exercise of their duty ; and of course it was re quisite that the tax be put in force to bring the coun try to its former more peaceful and flourishing con dition. The taxes in Ireland cost above 14 per cent. collecting, whilst the collection of the Property Tax in England cost not more than ,Q 2. 3s. 3d. In short, he fully expected that it might be taken with as little trouble as any tax that was now exacted. The coun try gentlemen, and acting Magistrates, in which. Great, Britain is so fortunate, are wanting in Ireland; and from the want of them, greater difficulty than otherwise might occur. He should advise its intro duction into Ireland most strenuously, though, as he 'conjectured, it might continue much longer than one year. The Motion was seconded by Mr. D. GIDDY. Mr. FITZGERALD thought it his duty not to lose any time in setting‘hiroselhight with the House and, the country. It was impossible to argue the . qswstion on so narrow a ground as that on which the Honourable Gentleman had placed . it. • It was impossible to put it in a proper vi ew , w i t h out a f u ll knowledge of the local and natural circtunsonce# 9f the country, of which the Hon. Gentleman had con . fessed himself ignorant. P. vert the statement he 1 , 34 made respecting the debt of Ireland proved tli: A was unacquainted with the real state of that conw.:y The Right Honourable Gentleman then went in! , , detaitedstatement of the debt of Ireland, a: it lia4 arisen at different periods ; and contended that tilt efforts which had been made by Ireland during t'n - war were greater than any that were ever made hi any country in the world with similar re nerce He explained that the sum of six millions atid ' half, which had been alluded to by the Gentleman, necessarily included tlx whole ex p,, ik di ture of that year,*and of which three nt,lliota avd half were not only now in tl.:! British 'Treasure, Lot had actually been applied. ft was a sufEci , :ht ship on Ireland to have nine milli, ns pay. Ti : , whole of the debt, or rather the deti-.:iency itel.e ls i would stand at about six millions, and the t w p i,, ; of the Consolidated Fund at about Jive miliunt,t, ac s the sum of £70.000 would rem.tin to be :./,. He denied that there was 100,000 de t:eient, as .u t o,l by the Honourable Gentleman, N% t w a s a l., ' r, ! , . e . in a mistake on these points. Ile Lea explained amount of the charges on the various whole of which, lor the last three years, anieunte to £1,51 - 9 2 ()( 4 0. lle added 111.11 the eof tlt.: revenue in the last three years was sti,%l,ofin, ; , ! .d that the solidus of the r,:venue Far t'.rce ) . cars JEW,OOO. then defended the duty on ts, was laid concurrently with the recommeteda *tenni ttt. Committee, and, was pilltically and financially j.vt. The malt duty h povct.sivt.iy incre used ;:.;t1 aiir; the Union, and the FT tdse alti,get:wr than five tinws as as it did to i. ) r e th at 11,, ~;.;. "rhere was no thz itsse:%ed taxes sylii:h not nearly doubled %kill:in the lay thiev year.. v;.• was chiefly owhig to an imp-A - ult.:tit in tho collecting the assesr•ritAtts. Ile Olen .idveli,d to I : . small charge of collecting the revenue in where all the C!)roinissioner; were au4 urged the of that a , n1:11:t revenue could be collected in one conntr) 1;1.: sar. rate as a larger one in another. On the r :;ft-: much argument and explanation, the ltiOit Gentleman concluded with the higliest tril,ate financial exertions of •Ireland, which had s:.) greatiy contributed to the resources of the Empire. Sir .1. NEWPORT also opposed it. At any rate he thought the House would not vote on so vague and unsatisfactory proposition as the one a: print before the House. Mr. PEELE opposed.i'. The. Irish had 1000,001 worse thap nothing, and, ten per cent. laid upon their property. Sir H. MONTGOMERY and 11x. GRATTAN most strenuously opposed the motion. Mr. BANKES replied at considerable length. Mr. V. FITZGERALD and Mr. BANKES explained. The. House then divided, when there appeared— For the Motion, s—Against it, 78—Majority, Adjourned at Half-past Twelve. FRENCH PA PERS. PARTS, APR!!. el. LETTER FROM LlEi' TENA%T•GENLRAL GROUCH i TO THE L PF.I:O IC. Aix, Aptil 14, 1815, " SIRE—The city of .Mar eines has just gent me deputation, to assure rue of its submission and its tide lity to your Majesty. " The rodomoniades of M. de Riviere, and, ti:<- certainty that the column of Marseillese under Cent rals Eynon( and LevorJo, which had marched agains.: Grenoble, and was retiring upon Marseilles, was sti:l here yesterday, with its artillery, made me hasten my movement upon this town : it. appeared of import ance to come up with these remains of insurgents : and to prevent Marseilles from persevering in the mistaken course in which these bands might still hare been able to retain it for a few moments : on my ap• proach this mob of insurgents dispe-.-wd, and you: Majesty has now nothing but devoted arta submissive ' subjects in all the departments of the South. . " M. de Riviere and the principal royalist c!:K:; have embarked. I shall have the honour of your Majesty an account of the whole from seilles. As the mission which you condescended entrust me with is now fulfilled, I beg you to rccal I me to your presence, as being the most ardent wit of my heart.—l am, &c. " Count Gitorciiv." PROCLAMATION OF THE• KING OF NAPLES , " Rimini, Afar: t 31. gg ITALIANS !—The moment is arrived when great destinies are about to be accomplished. P novinENa: at length has called you to be an independent People. ..o.11:4 One cry alone resounds from the Alps to the of Scilla—' The Independence of Italy!' What has foreigners to ravish from you your independence —the first right and the chiefest good of all peopk: What right have they to,seign-aver our fertile place, and to appropriate oto .treasuris to transplant tl.era to countries to which they do not belong ? Wha: right have they to carry.4way our. sons to serve them, and to languish and die near the tombs of their '•1• tilers ? Ilas not Nature given you the proud bulmirio of the Alps, and invincibility of character, as a bar' r ier against all dangers ?—No, no ! the dominatin of foreigners shall never pollute the soil of Italy 66 Of old, masters of the world, you have expiate,' your unlucky glory, by an oppression of 20 centurici. But the day is come when your glory shall not bell to any masters. Every people should remain in tti limits which Nature has provided—the Sed and cessible mountains ! Behold your frontiers ! Tbef never shall overleap them ; bait we will repel thomt foreigners who shall attempt it, and compel them to return to their own. Eighty thousand Neapolirao fly to place themselves under the compand apt the:: King—they swear they will never rest till Italy is and already they have repeatedly proved that tlity will keep their oaths. 6 4 Italians of all Countries !—Second their !WA . nimtMs efforts. Let those who have borne arms Pk ( them again. Let the youth unaccustomed learn t" bear arms. Let those citizens who are friends odic:. country exclaim with one voice for liberty. . 1, c" .1 the forces of the nations be called into action. They must all be in motion. Know that Italy ITIIISt be free, or rt. main for ages under the yoke of slaver:: Let the struggle be decisive, and we shall lay foundation for ever of the happiness of our c°!.l try—of that country which though torn and biceouz. ag4iPP isfi l l Vf aztiguc ansi streng th sufficicat W r