Star. — London, England, 1828-07-16 00:00:00

Peers) ostinkni.the Hon. Castleman ought to hart been prepared With a better excise for the delay in'bringing forward the charge than his absence in the country. PIjIrLIMORE censured the conduct of the Honourable Member for MontrOse, in giving public timid' of' his . intention ,to. 'Prefir a grave accusation • " l oom Lisejtigt4t . HpnpstAble,..lind , Learned Gentle- Man, and then not .hting s .preparecl tck 'inbtiantiate it when !he:titne for doing it arrived—{Hear). The. Right linnouiable and Learned Geistlesnab had always con ducted hiniself: with unimpeachable integrity in the dis charge of his important public* daties(Hear). After having given formal notice of his intention, it was unfair for the Honourable Member, when the Right Honour able an d Learned Gentleman came down for the purpose of meeting the charge, to put it off in the manner now proposed. Considering all the circumstances of the case, it was not too much to ask the Honourable Member to bring the matter forward then, or not at all—in all 'events . ..riot to biing it on alter the Right Honourable and Lkarned Gentleman should have left London.. . . Mr: HUME, in giving intended motion, dad acted according to the constitutional rule of Par 'iament. What would have been said if he bad brought :he matter: on without notice? The Right Hon. and Learned Gentleman ought to think it worth his while to stay in town for twenty four hours to defend his char icier. He (Mr. Hume) should present the Petition on Thursday, let the Right lion. and Learned Gentle man *end or not as h e pleased ; perhaps, indeed, there 1, *was nil Oecaiiiin for his attendance. The Right Hon. add Learned Gentleman appeared to have plenty of defenders, who, no doub*, would attend on his behalf, and see justice done to his character. As for him (Mr. l Harne), be was resolved to discharge his duty to the public. With regard to the Petition now before the Noose, if the Right Hon. Gentleman thought it calcu lated to inculpate any man, he (Mr. H.) should be the la t persdiri:in the world to insist upon its being printed. He should move before the Session expired that it be printed—giving the Right Hon. Gentleman time to in quire in the interim as to the accuracy of the statements contained in it—at present Ise .was content that it vhould lie on the table. Mr. S:cretary PEEL objected to the printing of the Petition, much less out of for the character of an individual, than becau s e he thought i t would be tinjost to Allow any man to avaithimself of the right of pent tinning the House for the purpose of representing. private wrongs at he might think fir, at the same time that he aspersed the reputation of other parties. Mr. W. SMI I'H thought his Hon. Friend, the Mem ber for Montrose; •in the wrong in this particular case. The Hon. Member ought not to have introduced the name of ani: particular Judge in his notice of motion. *He agreed ineonsidering that nothing was more likely ..to bring - petitioning into disrepute, than to make it the Medium far pit ferring private complaihts, whit h might after all be nothing but private slander. The Petition was then laid on the table. On the motion of Sir.J. Monument Returns were ordered con "netted wen the local jurisdiction of the several gaols of England and Wales. He wished to obtain from the Right Honourable the Rom Secretary some information on steps either taken, or in tended to be taken, with respect to the admission of prisoners into gaols not within their jurisdiction. Mr. rgii.t. replied, that the subject was under coneideration, and would be formally before the House neat Session. A message from the Lords announced their Lordships assent-to the Cbaring-cross Improvement Bill, and other Bills. FLOGGING IN THE ARMY. Sir F. BURDETT slid, he had heard of a recent . case 'of eight soldiers being so severely flogged at Was 'Row, chat one cf_them died of his wounds. He wished to obtain some information on the subject, ind.to give -notice that he would next Session bring the subject flogging in the army Leloie the House_ Mr. Secretary PEEL apprehended that the lion. toonet contound2d the rumour with another, which vaafouniito be totally unfounded, of a so ldier h a vi ng died at Glasgow of a floggiug, when the fact was he died of typhus fever. • • SPANISH CLAIMANTS. • Sit J. MACINTOSH said Chat the Petition which it'eas then his drity to present had reference to the claims Ora certain number of British subjects upon Spain. Among the signatures affixed to the Petition were chosen,' some of the:niost eminent Merchants in Laudon. Bul the complaint made in the Petition Was .of mote importance than the names affixed to it. The • complaint ',elated town obstinate denial of justice by the' Giotto minent of Spain to certain of his MajestY's !ath letic Who viey aggrieved to the amount of 3.000,0001., 4 . 1:415e claim was.tbe largest that had ever been made .before that Mouse; so fortunately was it the most simple, die most easy Co beunderstooct. It was founded upon the:4:4,6o(m' Ifords of. a convention more, the ‘' llecific . Purciite to which the claim had reference. Be tore he went turther,he wished to state, that the Petition ers made nocomplaint against the British Government. Mr. Canning; under whose auspices theconventiOn had bef'n made,. had always distinguished himself by a strict maintenance of British interests, and a determination never to allow a British subject to he treated injuriously by 'a foreign Power. The Noble L'trd who succeeded tirnacted in the same spirit, and they expected similar conduct Iron, the Noble Lord now at the head of the Foreign Department. This Petition did not come from those who engaged in. Spanish Loans. The preseilt claim had its origin in the commencement of that state of hostility in %filch France and Spain were involved, from the year 1808 down te-a considera ble period afterwards; and dining which many Bri tish subjects were induced to furnish Spain with a variety of articles necessary for carrying on a de fensive war ; • many others of them being acknowi. itdged by the Spanish authorities, and some others certainly having carried on..their transactions by way of a forced loan. From the period of 1808 down to 1823, when the Convention was executed, another oevance had arisen. Spain being engaged in warfare i;h the Spanish Colonies of South America, during Which confl , ct several British ships were seized upon by Spain, in violation of the law of nations. All these circumstances h'ad taken place between the year 1808, When the revolt in Spain occurred, and the year 1823. In the year 1823, Mr. Canning being then Secretary of State, concluded a Treaty on the 12th of March that )eir, which provided that all the just claims of the liritnh upon Spain, on the footing alluded to, should be drtermined, by a mixed Commission, which was ap pointed to decide upon those claims in London—and to decid e , be it remembered, according to the words of the Leaty "in a summary way." The Commission then ,n'et in London, in the month of October,lB23, and the "umber of claims preferred amounted to about throe Landred. Several individuals put their cases int) one eidim, so that the number of claimants amounted to 1,5 00, although the number of claims were only 300, and the whole amount of the sum claimed was be tween three and four millions. The Commission sat, a nd it was impossible to describe the various 'means resorted. to, to prevent that , 6 summary '.' fulfilment °f th e TiPia n which had been resolved upon.— Every ingenious artifice that could be conceived was Made use of to postpone the day of settlement, but it war useless • for him to detain the House by tracing the ... • • intricate labyrinths . through which the claimants were was fiamaillpy. strew:sty/ether to,pek into .Eorto Rico, 10. The result, however, was, that in.eighlin month s, I the povernor 9f which insisted . that ;helms bound to thc out of 300 claims, eighteen only had been heircl: : !A Spanish Main, atidAltat therefore her cargo. became certain 'number iiererejecled, either because they related Confiscated : 'The aie 'svi 's heard before one of the Tri to a period not within the Treaty, or becaUse they were bunals, aced the charges declared to be unfounded.— hot contemplated by it, arid kilts of the claims only were The Captain-General refused to confirm this decision, Allowed to be just. He weuld leave the House to con s and sent the case . again before a Tribunal which had eider the case of a number of unfortunate individuals no jurisdiction. .TheJtidge it first refused to try,it, but ,who had thus been dep r iv e d o f th e i r property, and re- .at length consented, and the vessel and her cargo were duced to a state of indigence. Out of 300 cases, then, condemned. This was only one of a numerous class of eighteen only were concluded, and four only of these similavatases. Ho-trusted the Government would take eighteen admitted to be good. The object of the delay steps for carrying into effect the Convention of 1823. was soon very apparent. 'He was ashamed to speak in Mr. FERGUSON suppotted the Petition, contending terms in which he must speak of the conduct of the that on p'inciples of law, of equity., s and of justice, the agents of any Go vernment , b ut more p a rticularly of that Spanish Government was bound to fulfil the undertaking Which in ancient days bore so high a character, and 'of its agents, : namely; by paying the sum specified by which still contained many highly honourable men. the Commissioners. The present, as had been observed The object of the delay was, however, soon apparent ; by the worthy Alderman, was not the case of individual, a suggestion was privately made to the claimants, by a who hid become involved ,hy their own private delin. person high in office, in what was now called the Go • quency; neither did it resemble that of the persons who vernment of Spain—it was to the effect, that it would had, unfortunately for themselves, lent their money to' be better to have a private arrangement, and he advised foreign 'States, and the loss of which he feared they them to agree to receive the sum of 800,0001. in lieu of would have to bear. This was a very different case, and their demand of three millions. It was also intimated that one too on which he hoped the House of Commons would this was their only chance of a settlement; in donsequence deem it fitting to give vent to British feelings. of this, the suffering persons did make a proposition, Mr. Secretary PEEL said it was quite impossible to which,' in s ubstance, w as the pl a n giv e n to them by the deny the undoubted ju s ti c e of th e c l a i ms o f t h e P et i- Spanish agent. This proposition, however, turned out to tionero—claims reco g ni s ed a n d ra tifi e d b y a so l emn be no advantage to them i and they subsequently met with convention, concluded by the representatives 'of both as manydifficulties as ever,for the only object of obtaining the British and the Spanish nations . The Righ t H on . the proposition was, that it might be subsequently quoted Gentleman had borne testimony to the exertions of those as a proof, that no more than' 800,0001. was actually who had of late years attempted to give effect to that due ; and when the agent, Mr. Cock, subiequently went convention. He knew that Mr. Canning, and after him over to Madrid, to his utter astonishment he found that Lord Dudley, had given their. utmost attention to those the Spanish Minister stated that this sum, and no more, claims, and that they did every, thing in their power to was due to the claimants. The agent was however told, give effect to the convention by which it was agreed that as the claimants had fixed their claims at 800,0001. that they should be satisfied. His Noble Friend who at they would only be reduced to 50u,0001. and that this present presided over that (the Foreign) Department, sum would be paid in liquidation of all demands. The fact had been so much occupied by important affairs since his was, the Spanish Minister had stated that the proposition entrance into office,that he had not been able to attend to should be without prejudice, if the negociation were un- that particular subject. He (Mr.P.t nevertheless believed, successful; but when the agent, Mr.Cock,went to Mathis', that nothing.was more on his Noble Friend's mind than he found that this was not only not the case, but t'iis sum to render justice to the Petitioners—t Hear). If having of 800,0001. was considered as the maximum of the claim. said thus much, he (Mr. Peel) should offer any opposi- The next step,. wAss Postlihie, s atill ,more disgraceful. tion to the motion of the Right Honourable Gentleman, Atter a long negociation, the Agent was told by the he trusted it would not be attributed to any intention Spanish Ministers at Madrid, that although they saw• to °ppm@ claims, the justness of which he had already no reason for • increiiing the sum of 500,0001: yet,' as a 'proclaimed. He thought the Right Honourable Gen-' proof of Castilian generosity, they would agree to its- .tleman' himself must see that the manifestation of the crease the sum by 50,0001. and m a ke the total payment opinion of the House of Commons would be sufficient of 550,0001. Now, had the House ever heard of such for his object. . He thought .also that to pledge the pitiful conduct, under the pretest of gener s iry ? Aker ••Flouse tcif'folloW 'up' the proceeding conlemplated by this, the agent, Mr. Cock, was invited ter go to Paris, to the Right Honourable Gentleman ' s motion was a negociate with two Commissioners there—one ot whom . p roce edin g not ca ll e d f or by the case in question ; and was the Duke de la Villa:Hermosa, the then A thbassa- .he ivalquitesnre that the Right Honourable Gentleman dor from Spain to France. After a long series ornegocia- must feel that : that was not an . occasion on vitrich to- I tions those two Commissioners eotered.intO eta agreethent.iitablith such •1; Pricedent as th a t of the present a tio n of in writing with the agent of the cl a imants, in February, an kiddies: • subjeet. Moreover,. the Right 1827, by which they stipulated to payaaum in Spanish Hon. Gentleman bad only-yesterday given notice of his money equal to thtee millions sterling. They entered intention to move an Address; for, although the notice then into a written agreement, and one di them said iu of the Right Hon.' Gentleman's motion had been foe a letter to Mr. Cock, that he was fully awhorked so to some. days on the paper, yet it wasonly on the morning do. This Duke de la. Villa Hestnosa was a man of the of the present Jay that the Words referring to an Ad .highest rank in his country, and held a very. high office, alms nad.appeared, having been ailded only that night.' being Ambassador to France. The agent returned to Heialt..Peel)rhad therefore only expected that the con- London confident of success, and 'a - month 'Airwards tents'of the former notice, to present the Petition, would was MfOrmed by the two ComtatiesiCoWsrs ,that theArtsfhien allndid to by, the, Right Hon. Gentleman. Spanish Government coosidered they had exceeded . .flelioPed,.thevefore, that.the House would not be called their powers, and that the 'Count d'Otalia was going upon to pledge Itself to ulterior proceeding by the rtsci to London with instructions hoar to act. ,witlkieference non orebVßight Hon: gentleman on a subject respect to those claiths the written docuctientotreh, • thiiee `mg Which negOciationa were still pending. He was, fore, to "he: considered null and void.: Thus • the „enabled to say (wiehing to speak with all th.t caution matter remained until the Count d'Ofalia arrived which ander every •circonistance it was his desire to in England , and at one time the Coma d'Ofalia, o b ser ve) that a grea t e r pr o babili t y ex i st ettat the present After melte meinths residenCe here, ratse4 the offer cif,, moment of an amicable and final arrangement and set -550,0001. to 700,0001. It was in this manner the. sys- dimetti.of. the matter heiCre the House than at any teas was carried on, and carried on is way that would former period, and it was only an act of justice to the disgrace a pedlar, in a way of .abich the meanest shop -C ount d ' Of a li a to declare, that he was most anxious to keeper WOuld'be ashamed. Since this he had heard that the affair to a conclysion. The Count d'Ofalia' the offer had been raised to 900,0001. And after the nn- Iso l a kill powers' fer,khat purpose, and had made a pro 7 fortanate.claimants had been for 20 years exposed to the. politicos) to him (Mr. Pee.l),•tbe difference between the utmost indigence, he would not say that tt Would beira- sum mentioned in which, andthat claimed iay the Pe-. dent in them not to reduce- thr ir demands it.the ,kitiobee s , was ncit,so material as to forbid the hop e an d 'ageuts did .. a g ree . to .receive this sum, what siouldise' t h' s :01pectatiriri that die affair would be amicably set the consequence? Whatbusthat their abatement would' sia.., Refereacchad been-made to the Court ef Spain be quoted against them. What happened befoie might. tut the subjest, and he (Mr. Peel) hoped that that Cool t happen again; and the claimants d tblia.thoe. would feel - tha its own bbnour bosind it . to make the• could.not consent to waive they;s4bts they held tuid e icas, reparation oseght liftlielietitiottersao(Cheers). In op contract by the law of nations, afler basins been,treated posing the Right Honourable Gentleman's proposition in a.mannerusean, bisei-and treaehee . o4,. -fortunately f or an Add ress ,' b e • repeate d s hi s ' request t h at h e m i g h t for them; no am)y tbegenerMititd44,Vivir' not lai . uaderetood to say•that he did not feel the case claims—no ene.could.oten throw. a. doubt - Nowt:se:Al ofahtintaffiobers to be one of extreme hardship, or there bad•been any doubts. 'dative to theovnweng o o. *hit he did riot feel that under the Convention of 18'23, he appealed to the Ok,use, whether all the trafgainitigithiy Wice.uot ,entitled to she compensation they now' that had sincetalcsn place about thi matter would not prayeitior: (Hue the Right • Honourable Gentleman amount to sufficient evidence of the vi l lue—whether it reed theclatise in the Convention, which referred to was not such es misht be fairly adduced agaiesa Ape' ty thewsanner in which the claims ot 'thepititiobets were in a Court of Law ? The unfortunate claimants never to be liquidated, by the transfer of a certain amount of declined juris'fiction ; surely then those who did de- Spanish Re t nes.) ilortunstely, continued . the. Right cline it justified others in considering them as in the Hon. Grint:the character of the Rentes of the. Court of wrong. Such then had been the conduct of the Spanish Sp a in on the Stock. Exchange of London did not estab• Government—adopting every mode .to . cause delay in fish the•fact of exactly what was the amount which the first instance, then most dishonourably using the pro- the Court of Spain intended to appropriate for the satis posit on of the English claimants against them, and then faCtion, of the claims 'of the petitioners. Another propo violating a written ag r eement specifying to grant a .sition was made foi the . purpose of superseding the particular sum. The only h o pe h e (Sir' James Mac. Convention, by which the petitioners offered to accept . intosb) had was, that the House would in the most so- of a smaller sum than.that which they now claimed ; but lemn manner s•tengthen she hands of his Majesty's es that proposition had not been acted.on by the party Ministers, so that the King of Spain could not prevent to . whom it had been made, those offering it had not justice from being administered. ' ln his Majest y 's. sraiied . their right to their full demand.. It was, how vernment no blame could be imputed, and he hoped eye!, tsw tke benefit of both . parties, that a gross sum they would act wisely in not resisting the wish of . s h ou ld at. once be set aside for the satisfaction of th e Parliament to give some mark of supp or t, in `older to 'cleans - A 7the petitioners. A sum lad been pro enable them to gain the fulfilment of the, .friorty. posed brthe .Coortt d'Ofalia, but not amounting to was the more disposed to press his motion for au that claimed; . but still, as he had already . said, Address, because he had been informed and believed the difference was so small as to offer no material im that there were certain persons in this country-o Sp- pediment to the arrangement of the matter. Confiding nish agents—who had dared to assert that • Greer. Bais in the honour and the integrity of the Court of Spain, lain was not in a condition to enforce, by an appeal he should also repeat that it appeared to him that at no to arms, the claims for justice of any portion of her former period were the claims ef the petitioners so likely subjects. He should not oust himselt to make a single to be satiified. He trusted, therefore, that in the de observation on those assertions, convinced as he was that clarations t'sus made in that House, the Right Hon. the feelings of the House must be moreescited by sup- Gentlemauswould feel that his object had been attained, posing the bare possibility that. such a belief could and that the Right Hon. Gentleman would not there exist, than by any arguments he could use—that the fore press his motion. House would consequently see the necessity for some Sir R. WILSON said, the conduct of Spain in this vigorous measures to enforce the claims of the peti- transaction showed the folly of tho s e who w e re o f o pia sinners—sod that his motion for an humble Address to nion that the Spanish Colonies s ho u ld be restore d to the his Majesty, With that object, would experience the cor- Mother Country. The Briti s h G overnmen t man if este d dial assent of the House. The Right Hon. Gentleman more decision in enforting these claims under the Go concluded by moving that the Petition be brought up. vernment of the Cortes, than it had at any - time since. Mr. Alderman THOMPSON :aid the Petitioners. He could see no reason for sucH indulgence to the pro many of whom he was in' habits of intimacy with, sent Goverinient of'Spain. They should endeavour to were persons of the highest honour and credit.— obtain the same justice for their s ubj e cts as . the French' There were some of these claimants reduced from o- Government. He saw n Q r e as on f or the distinction fence to the greatest indigence. One of them, a fter made-between the claims of these petitioners and that having tired out his friends, was forced at length of the persons who advanced money by loan to Spain: . to seek an asylum in a public hospital. These per- H e thou g ht th e l atter h a d a j est c l a i m to ' prot e ct i on . sons would be reconciled to their losses if they were in- They advanced their money at a time that this country: curled in conseq u en ce o f smugg li ng or wild specu= and the other countries of Europe had Ambassadors at . lotion, but they lost their property on the High the Cu' urt Of 'Madrid.. In his opinion, they who had peas, and by confiscations, neither - founded in justice edvaetoid these loads had a right to tall. upon France ear international law. He would content himself - ro plide them • in the same *relative position in• w hich' ring- they „ with mentioning o ne case . I t was t h at o f an. stood before dints lVOß military posiesifon o f the fish ship, bound from St. Thomas to Curacoa. She country. *ft -wid•••... . . .' Mr. HU4KISSON•said, those rase advt's* money dway of loan to the,,Spanish Government stood yin a ifferent situation to the'petitioners. These loans were a matter which must be adjusted between the Spanish Government and those individuals whe, placei faith in her. The claims of the petitioners stood upon LAI& ferent footing, and 'h e was most happyto hear frem'his Bight Hon. Fr iend (Mr. Peel) that they were soon likely to be finally settled. 'He m ust d en y t h at the`G was. ment manifested a 'tronger disposition to enforet.these claims under the emus than under the present Govern ment of Spain. The Convention of 1823 havingbeen once entered into, they had no remedy but resnotp. strance ; whereas before they might urge the claims by a threat of reprisals. Never were there any claims pressed by the British Government' with more pertina city than these. Sir J. MACINTOSH said a few words in reply, and expressed his intention not to propose an Address upon the subject. The Petition was read, and ordered to be printed. Mr. O'NEILL made a motion on the subject of the grievances and distresses of the Proprietors of Kelp in the. United Kinpliam, and that they require the immediate consideration of his Majesty's Government with a view to afford them protection from Foreign Alkalis.—The motion being seconded, . • Mr. M ABER L Y hoped the Chancellor of theExchequor would. before he pee any answer, determine within himself whether the monopoly in this article should last another year. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER did not think muck injury would result to the home kelp manufacture from the competition of foreign alkalis; it was rather affected by the effects of recent improvements in chemistry. He hoped, under the cir cumstances, the Honourable Member would not press his motion. Mr. Alderman THOMPSON said, that the reduction. of the price of barilla irose from the late discovery by a ebemicalprocees of a cheaper substitute—namely, a preparation of salts. There mos no danger from the importation of foreign barilla. Under .the present duty it did not pay more than freight and charges. It was impossible that the Government should impose a high duty on fo reign barilla. The home made kelp bad already a protection of fifty per cent. Mr. O'Nen.r. and Mr. Marmots' explained. • . Mr. TRANT hoped the Government would remote all the duties on East India produce. • Mr. COURTE NAy said, that he thought it,. better ,in . the absence of the Members from the Notch of . England, to ;eke a middle course, between the total repeal of the duty and atviiamease of it, namely. to reduce the duty on. East .India kelp to that on the kelp of other foreign countries, from 11/.65. 6d. to eight pumas. • Mr. HUME hoped the East India trade would be placed on the same footing with our other Colonic". . ••.. After a few words from Mr. O'Nen.t. in explanation, the motion was withdrawn. eurrows Werra . . • • - On the motion that the Report on the Customs Actolunte,A, be read, Mr. LEICESTER said, as the Government .was plaged,in a difficulty between its promise to the home maoufacturer".not to reduce the duty on. East India silk, and the pledge 4ot Parliament in the Act of 1026, to reduce the duty, the Government oughs to • follow the least injurious course of •injustice7,-namoly,..broak.its word to the home manufacturer, and protect him,.agantrit the•tinug tier, 'rather than violate. .their :pathamentasyfast India Silk Trade—a measure which would cause to that, trade immense loss. *, On the motion that the clause.beread, -s Mr. DA WSON brought tip thit Report. upon4se Mr. P. THOMSON moved the same amendment be bidemoved the other night upon the Silk clause. - After a brief conversation across the table, the Ron. Member consented to withdraw the clause, on the underatanding, than dye should not, in so doing, be precluded from again bringing itdorward Upon the third reading, it he considered it expediero. • Mr. Secretary PEEL took that opportunity of observing that it .was not extraordinary that bis , liaabt Honourable•Friend i passed so large a portion of his early We in•lnslia, posed to give a preference to that. country.upon some dtelaiens. He complimented tile Vice President of the Board of Trade inses his disposition to do. every thing to. promote the, general intetetts of the country, and to satisfy the just and reasonable expeotationa Of all parties. • • ••! Mr. HUME fek perfectly convinced of.tbe..good disposition, of the, vice president of the Boardt of,Trade, but ,thoughtthat.the re sult of the present system of intercourse .between India and• this country must be highly prejudicial. He knew that :bullion was now remitted .frutp India „its . return.for.goosis 'Moped from this .country, which could not but be highly..iniutious to the exporer o f India. . Mr. WA RD a agrretl with the Honourable. Meither,•thartscon siderabie remittances in bullion were made from India,. but the reason was, that since the cessation of the war.,..a.vast quantity of treasure which had been then locked up, was now brought. into the nt okst.—The amendment was then withciroavo... . 1 , Mr. ilitlG HT ulojecied to the amount of the duty npoolead t and wished to have five shitlitlgs taken.aff the.table. of duties inwirgs.- Mr. COll ITENA Mr. 1 - 11.4SKINION defeaded. Ulf ringside telle of duties. • The latter Honourable Alenaher observed,boe/eone, ' that he did nut suppose the enforcement of those duties would be of any use to the English lead mines, as there bad been mines dia -1 covered in Malaga, so very .rich , and so cad?, worked. that the great probability was they would overwheltit all the mines,not Only of England', but of. the w0r1d.... .. •• . • • ,s • After some desultory conversation, the anteodroaittaweeeith. Ldpawa, and the Bill, with its asuendmunts,w-artinderestto-hie.es grossati, and to be read a third time to-morrow. .4 • . . .. ~. . . •NATIONA L DEBT BILL: 6 ' •, ' ... 4--, The CH ANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER moved t4i4 tie National Debel3lll- should he read isecond tithe: • ' " • ;11r. HUSKISSON said, he cou:d not allow-titis' am ti l l* y:ad s a second time without making a fevi observations . e knew that circumstances prevented this atihject from beini iltiisitl earlier in the Seition, and therefore he attribtfted blithe to 'no one. He fully agreed with his, Right Hon. Friend 'that only (Ant surplus revenue tbould be considered a• Sinking Fund for the redemption of a portion of our debt. He lamented,lowever, that they bad not a larger Sinking Fund than three millions; but under all the circum stances he did not think that-that surplus should be reduced., He also concurred with his Bien Hon. Friend in the statement that much of our-internal improvement arose from the greater free dom which had been given to our commerce witbid the last few years, and to'tbe general improvement which had coliseqoently taken place amongst all classes of the people. But with respect to the present state of our Unfunded Debt, be thought it was a subject which required she greatest attention from his Majesty's•Goierh nient. If it were continued in hs present state—if measures were not taken to diminish it, aid to take it out oftbe hands of the Ranh of England, he could not help- saying that Bank he sa ha win d i c t o c n o t ns rac id t e ed rable for prospective danger. •In the year 23 the what was known by the name of the Dead Weight; but, at the time of the contract, it was fully. understood that the purchase was to be distributed Amongst others. So then thought his Majesty's Government, and so, he believed, did many of the Bank Direc tors. The Bank was not to have the sole benefit of the con tract, nor to divest so much. of what should be applied to mercantile discounts to the use to which • they had since applied it. If a dittribution were not intended, then 'the Bank might as well have advanced capital on lands or houses for the number of years until the contract should have ceased. • But this was not the only evil. The Bank didnot act in this-case for the whole body of the Proprietors of their Stock; the advance-they. made was that of the credit of the Bank, over which neither the GoVernitent nor4he country had any proper and necessary controul. This' was *stare of things which should not be allowed to continue—and in a word; the'soouer the contract could be regulated, if not altogether got rid of, the better would it be for the Government.and the-count.wpaa He had every respect for the IBrectors of the Bank of England; but he had still greater respect for the interests of the public..-. The Bask on this dead iveight account had advanced eleven mil- I lions—on Exchequer Bills also a large amount—on mercantile Mile very little ;. and -under such, circumstances it Would -be desirshk that the Bank should not be iu a situation to dhtross,the- tradssor the country, or under the necessity of our again reverting to a. Both Restriction Act. He did not believe that any inctirnbranco sreinist c sh ou ldthwhua i c n: i h i r s a o t bb li a a n t n" b c !es some m diminish ed t h e i as peh conditio n e9irs ; 00 we o result from calling in the 11. Dotes; but the Bank at-this moment unemployed capital, which ha4l ingn lis m ik e ß a a m p ti k un c t 9u o l f d on a r o ti t ribfueuieel:e— as we possijaly conlduitt sizin talheinshionspes of unemployed deposits. Underany usfavratijibfe l : s* f.. as inh niuch order to .enable us to meet any future coutingenciei. restriction of Lash payments in 1797 had nausisti nivoi; i ti,iii t i and political evil, from which we had now lo happily Nev . re . sieved—and kis.main object now in offering these remarks - to die House was to prevent the possibility of so dreadful a calamity. It mutt be clear to every one who regarded the course of ty:tints, Rat in time of peace we should so regulate our finances artirte Aar§ meet any danger with which we !bight be threatened: . To lirodief', this desirable, this necessary results the Government orbits cotthrt . f should place itself as muchaieepoialtdelhove the controul of any body,,howeverietmt,l.l4. : Day shoultkreeloce the unfOnsied debt, ' which was only advanta eons to the, Bank, although it Alight bus said to afford oe neetstilliodaaciaisio X. fie:oarsmen% of Se • cowry, el Trap f ettat erre tOe gigaragliotially I.ht. 'Or less atom, resorted to the better for theni antrTor the true interests of the country. The Bank of France discounted to the amount of four I , '~ Ete xi I fe 1s eg el ie. •