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That subject ought to be most antibody inquired into, I ,r a,e purpose of ascertaining whether some re ni,di o ut,' not he provided for such evil. However, that was a part of the subj-ct which he should not our s f art her at present. Tree point to which be princi• - C r desired to direct the attention of the House, was the Sitoition of the agricultural labourer, part of whose • was too frequently paid out of the rate. That vs evil, and that was an evil which he de :orrect. The Poor Rates had advanced mu - the last few years. In 1782 they were 0001. in 1815, they amounted to nearly now they were 6,440,0001. The amount su rapidly advanced, it had now become a ing burden on the land and the country.— !mark here, that the great abuse which had in the Poor Laws was chiefly in the southern Hear.) Such abuse had led to the depres agricultural poor ; but the abuse dt the particular counties was remarkable.—(Hear). ' to ask how it happened that the increase in rte in the county of Westmoreland amounted per cent. in the last year ? In Lancaster, • manufacturing county, and the scene of ,s, the increase had been 47 per cent. Many It suppose that as a diminution in the gross Poor rate had taken place in the last three /ears, that therefore distress had decreased—but that' ' was not the fact; the cause of the decrease was, that, corn had decreased in price much More. In the period in which corn had fallen one half in price, the diniinu- 1 I tion in the gross amount of poor rate whsitichniiiitrable. -.notwithstanding that £,680 special vestries had been appointed ender the &lett teary Act, which: was an Act full of wisdom, Vold well calculated to diminish the a mount of the pour rates. It appeared by a coMparisod; o f the poor rate returns since 177 b, that the cost of then poor doabiedovery 20 yeses, and the cost of the la* eapesses doubled every 112 Tetra. It appeared also that' the lend paid fist-sevenths of the Whole rate. He had mules calculation of the number of paupers, and fbund . that in the year MI the number was 1,040,006, in r • rid and Wales. The population then wa59,000,000. s NI the number was l a :340,000; the population then being ten millions. In 1821 the number of paupers was 1,600,04`0; in 1826, 1.7e0,0b0 ; and in 1827 it increased to 1,80000. No one could wonder,. with such an increase of Misery there bas a pro ,• ionate increase of crime. He would merely say. Scotland, that in the year 1818, it had but one payer to twenty.one persons. If he was to select , a country in which the poor laws were best adnii-' nistered, it would be Scotland. Of seven hundred parishes, only 400 had compulsory rates, and the Whole amount was less than one-sikth of some English coon. ties; yet the peasantry of Scotland were in a state sti perior to the English, owing, no doubt, in a great degree, to their superior education. It was a great mistake to suppose that manufactures increased poor rates. In Lancashire the rate had been at foot shillings a head . on the whole population, While in 'Sussex it was twenty , shillings a head. The fluctuations in the currency had some effect in increasing purr rate; but the fluctuations in the price of corn much more. By returns, calculated by Sir Edward West, in a work on the price of corn and wages, it appeared that few a quarter of a century previous to the period of the Beach itesdidtioh, torn fluctuated but little, the highe.t price being 601. ireld the lowe.t Ws. but since 1795, the fluctuations had beet so great as to make the price more than double at one, period what it aas at another ; being in some yean at enortnoes pike of lilts. the quarter, at others under He implored the House to consider what the act of such flocteatimst in the pike of breed mint are on the labourer. He was confident the misery they ptsiltited was alessialste, and *at it *ls most ittju rioos to the interest of the landed proprietors, as, though high prices caused high rent*, an evil was generated that threatened to take away all tent—{Hear). These du e tditiens he hoped would be remedied by the Corn Bill Wake the House. Another cause of the irttrease of, Misery and poor rates was the state of Ireland.— Thiscountry was ostrilnwed by Irish labooreri, who uadersold the English labourer, and it might be laid, toot from him his wages, and with the **sea so takenl fits him paid the rent of the Irish landlord; this was an nil that must be remedied. The state of the labourer in Scotland was also depressed, and loudly called for the itaerfereace Of the Mdse. The state of the lave of relief of able-bodied poor required amendment. Their client to relief rested on a single clause of the statute of Elisabeth, which directed the overseers to set to work those who use no ordinary and daily trade of life to get their living by. This clause he was confident was now misinterpreted, and certainly meant those who in former statutes were celled sturdy beggars. He would refer to the different Repasts on the Poor Laws, in which the Committees decide against the right of able-bodied la bourers to relief from the Poor Rate. Any Gentleman, Cho wished to benefit the condition of the poor, and by that means of the country, would do well to consult thole Reports. It was no wonder that much miscon auction of the statute of Elizabeth should take place, as a hundred Acts had been since passed to amend it; and ace were upwards of 10,000 expounders—he meant Magistrates —spread over the country. The abuses pre vailed Most in the twenty southern counties. The law !as abused by paying wages out of the poor-rates ; and by makin g an a ll owance for ch i ldren. T he R eport of 1817 gates, that a practice had prevailed of paying, !hat should be wages for labour, out of the poor-rates. The lteport of 1824 states, that roundsmen—men sent mend by the parish to the farmers to be employed for "certain number of days by each, part of the wages to be paid out of the poor rate—were calculated to de reciate the condition of the labourer. The evidence before the E m i grat i on C omm i ttee showe d to w h at a dreadful state the labourers of the country were re titled. In Sussex, the able-bodied poor relieved ameonied to nearly a third of the whole population ; and "Hertford the proportion was above a third. It was la ntatable to see the labouring population in such a state. e found by letters he received from various plates to the southern counties, it was quite common to gibe leaf for every member of the family, which took away all dread of marriage from the poor ; and a letter from a Clergyman of Northampton stated, that a young paa• orphan at eighteen fell in love—the overseers refused to cement to his marriage—the lover and lady were butt impatient, and sent to London for the opinion of a civilian, which was that the overseer could not .ir marriage. The consequence was , they , ,c 1 the parish must provide for them offspring. In siateen parishes in Eent,:out inhabitants, 8000 are paupers, and cottages the sole speculation of the rent being paid parish rates. When the parish found the cottage, they at once held oat an inducement a& this practice was fast spreading even In the sixteen southern counties of those eluded to, white the atones preiaiied, the tense daily wh bs stria 6d. and its 20 northern chits the saws abuses of the poor laws did :Kt 'rages WI " I was • ser ious shed to entre 'flglf within bout 4 000. ,000, 00 ; n f rite had tl ost Blatant) e rei en plate ii noes.--(H on of the pie in parti lie wished tc the poor rate 0 fifteen pe which was a peat distres4 persons migli mount of Si i st athei t eiZi promiseeio tooth P r event tbei NM as faf starnei, am bin's!) the and their off :. on the of 2 1,000 in em moil are built on I his object out of the p Labourer. Paper a cot tilted 0 8 to f lAtciage new snek ~,.'" Scotland. t *skied , :utterly ail in peril' lourist avers on in the c ftsties whg exist, the lowest average of daily wages was a shilling. Iln seventeen sootherh'counties the Ow. rate teas 15s. a bead on the Whole popistatiOn; !Min YWenty inirthern counties thb rate was but six shillings a head—and the condition of the peasantry Was hifinitely superior to the southern counties. In the seventeen counties where the abuses existed, the rate was above 41s. on the rack rent: in the twenty counties where the peasant and the poor wete in a better state, the tate was but 2s. 6d. on the rack rent. This proved that a better system would benefit both rich and poor. The law expenses in the prosecution of vitae amounted to one-half the poor rate, making the whole for the kingdom at large not less than 9,000,0001. All the evidence showed that, where wages were high, the poor-rates we,e low; and Whet* pdor-rites were high the wages were low. This showed that it was the interest of all classes that the wages of the Meurer should be sufficient to keep him in comfort. The Committee hid stated that the rats of wages thirst depend on the proportion of the demand to the supply. How then was that proportion to be Maintained iis the best state ?—simply by not legis lating on the subject--by not giving a bounty on the ; 11 roduction of a supply of labour, which is done by sup orting able bodied labourers: The Committee reported, at men who only received a small pittance from the poor rate married for the purpose of obtaining a better /notation; sad from this cause the value of labour Was diminished. the demand for the labour of a coun try depended on its Capital, and that could not be increased by Aet of . Parliament ; hod yet many Acts implied the suppositibh that it could be increased; for by enacting that employment should be provided for all able-bodied peepers, it in effect said, that em ployment timid be provided to any reqnired extent. But whenevek employme'n't was provided by means Of a poor-rate, it threw Out of employment an equal portion of %dependent labour, and by this tendency 'of the Poor Law's to keep the supply above the de- Mind, they hecessarily reduced the wages of labour. Nothing, however, could be so wild as to attempt to limit population; but it was a very different thing to take dir the bounty by which it was un nathrally increased. He had had no intention of, pushing the pill he brought in last Session through the House; but be adhered to the principle, and I proposed to - come back to the spirit of the 43d of I Elitabeth, Which Wis recommended by all the Corn- Mitten; that was gradually to repeal the practice of, providing for able bodied paupers. It might be thought h hardship to Yeti* relief to an industrious man who only asked employment; and it was a case for which all should wish to provide a remedy. He thought a remedy might be provided by a species of Saving Bank, in which single Mlle bodied then Might deposit a porticos of their Weekly earnings—and for every four shillings they to deposited, they should, when they could get, I ho employment, receive a week's work or wages— the balance to be paid by them when they became employed' The married men to be employed by the parish on stink Which it might undertake to perform, but which should not be ordinary work, nor interim with the wagesof the ordinary labourer. He would also allow paupers who are at present married an allowance for their childres tint a certain number—soppose five --tine allbwitte nbt totiteod to any Who Warded after a time to be fixed. He was not vain enough to suppose that he could propose the best remedy for an evil that hid grown minds at magnitude. His **feet Was to bring its a B►ll on ilbuncl principles, and tb nsoie that it be referred to a Select Committee, where it might receive , improvement. the Hon. Member apologised to the House fot the length of time he had occupied their , attentiob, and concluded by moving, that leave be giiren to bring in a Bill " to reform the abuses of the Poor' Laws respetting payments made from the poor rates to, and for able bodied labourers." Mr. N. CALVERT seconded tbe motion. Mr. PORTMAN said, that there was a superabund ant labouring copulation in Dorsetshire, which was One of the counties censured by his Honourable Friend and he (Mr. Portman) did not understand how theyl could act otherwise than they had in the distribution of the Poor-rates. The farmer bad a right, in the same nay as the manufacturer had, to procure labour at the cheapest possible rate. The Honourable Member then described the way in which the Poor-rates were ad. Ministered in Dorsetshire s and said that Parish officers had no choice..-He had no hope whatever that the remedy proposed by the Hon. Member would reach, the evil. He kw* that the remedy had been tried in several parishet in Dorsetshire, and proved to be in efficaciouL He did not mean to oppose the motion; 1 on the Contrary, he trusted that when they came into Committee they should be able to discover some prin. tiple upon which a legislative remedy might be founded. Mr. SLAggi tzplalhed. Mr. CRIPPS Said, that after having given the most persevering and careful attention to this important sub ject, he was firmly convinced that the plans recom mended by the Hon. Member could not be productive of any beneficial effect. No one could deny the truismi which bad been stated by the Hon. Gentleman; he agreed entirely in his facts, and lamented them as much as any one could, but he was satisfied from his own ex perience that no such legislation as that suggested could effect a change. He was of opinion that no good could be expected to arise from any radical change in the laws ; the remedy was in Gentlemen's own hands, for it was only to be found in a careful and wise application of the laws as they now stood. He wished the Hon. Gentleman success in his object, but confessed that he could see no hope of ultimate advantage froth the plan of lessening those rates,which were undoubtedly so great an evil. Mr. BURRELL said, that although he had consider able doubt as to whether the remedy of the Honourable Gentleman would do any good, he yet hoped he would persevere in giving his attention to the subject, ehtil some Mote efficacious plan suggested itself. He con• tested that the only remedy he could see wet that of emigration upon a large scale. Mr. W. HORTON said, that he agreed with the Hon. Gentleman in all his principles, but believed the only remedy for the evils he had stated was to be found in a **Mcleod of the etisting superabundant population, and the liseOutagement of its future increase. It was Cleat ly shown by the report of the Committee, that unless :time thing Was done to check the operation of the supposed claim of the poor to be supported out of the land, the rent of the country must be eaten up, and all distinctiOns of property destroyed. Unless the poor were to be supported by the contributions of the other classes, they must be Compelled to regulate their production of population to the means at their command,as all other grades of society did front the highest down to that lowest extreme whith estate within the bandit! influence of these laws. He *as firmly convinced that there was no remedy for the btlil ht that of assimilating the laws of Ireland and ofl this country upon a basis which Would secure the ne• l relief of the poor without giving them a lien' upon the land. lib was surprised that country Gentle.! Men, whose very existence as a body was imininently, threatened by the progress of this evil, should evince so much unwillingness to consider the only remedy which could littait it, atia chid nottink could atcotftt rons isiaiihy trittia. bids they *girded the initiena ,ng diner. He thought ft alts the duty of the Go vernment to declare what their views were upon so im portant a %object. Mr. RIDLEY COLBURNE thought no . good would arise from the proposition of the Hon. Member (Mr. Slaney). The Act of Elizabeth never contemplated superadundance of population ; but, if an able•bodied Man could not obtain employment, to whom should he look but to the parish in which he lived? While the Hon. Member thought that no good would arise from the proposition, he should not oppose the motion. Mr. MONCK agreed in the opinion which had been expressed, that the present deplorable state of the peo ple arose from the misapplication of the Poor Laws. In Cumberland, at that moment, where they acted upon a different system, the rates did not exceed eighteen pence in the pound. The great evils of the present system had been brought about in the South and West of Eng gland, by the introduction of " Pay Tables." The Ho.s. Member had no hope that any benefit would accrue from the motion of the Hon. Member (4r. Slaney). The only plan which suggested itself to him, was the adop tion of a minimum of wages; and if a man under such circumstances chose to marry, he should be given to understand that his allowance should not be increased. Mr. Secretary PEEL admitted that the question before the House was one of great importance, but the more it had been studied, the greater the difficulty attending it had been found to be. He defied any man who had a diffidence of his own opinion to pronounce a judgment on the subject. During the last three years the produce of the agricultural and manufacturing dis tricts had been greater than any three years before, yet still the population increased. The same remark applied to Ireland and to Scotland. The Right Hon. Gentleman proceeded to remark, that no effectual remedy could in his opinion, be introduced which would meet the evil of the case; nor did he (Mr. Secretary Peel) see how any remedy could be provided against the exercise of mechanical st.ll. The Right Honourable Gentleman would tender a piece of advice to the Honourable Mem ber (Mr. Slaney), that his Bill should embrace not one point alone, but the general system. The law of settle , ment was particularly connected a ith the question of the Poor Laws, and he thought that a great part of the evils arising from the Poor Laws arose out of that Act of Settlement. A peat difficulty, too, *as in making the application to parishes generally, because they were of a different nature. With respect to the able-bodied poor, their labour was their capital; nor could he (Mr. Secretary Peel) consent to deprive them of the means of taking their labour to any market whatever, nor de prive them of assistance in case of need. Looking at the extremely artificial state of the country, he would not give any opinion on the general measure until it was much more discussed, but in common with the rest of the House, he returned his thanks to the Honourable Member (Mr. Slaney) for his efforts, and wished him the fullest success. Mr. SLANEY explained. Colonel DAVIES thought, as this was a question of the greatest possible importance, it could not be ex pected that the grasp of any individual, either on that (the Opposition) or the other side of the House, was equal to carry the measure into effect. The Govern- Went ought to originate the measure. Mr. Secretary PEEL explained. SLANEY explained. He had no thought of reeling lai* ISM through the present Session of Parliament. Mr. W. WHITMORE was free to admit that great distress existed in some parts of England, but he did hot believe it existed to the tXtent which had been stated. Emigration was a subject which he did not view with any particular degree of favour, but he still thought that some good might be produced from it. At the present moment there were five parishes in Sus- Ilex—not far from Hastings, from which emigration was going on; but at a general principle, be denied that there *as not employment to be found for the peo ple. The principle o allotting the poor small gardens to their cottages had been productive of the best effects, and he should wish it to be generally adopted through bat the country. The Hon. Member hoped that the Hon. Mover (Mr. Mattel) Would not relax in his en. deavours to bring his labours to a successful termination. —Leave was then given to bring in the Bill. 11111111 RATION. Mr. WILMOT-HOlt lON rose in pursuance to his notice, to move for leave to bring in a Bill to facilitate the emigration of paupers by their parishes. The Right Honourable Gentkitten considered that if the system of pauperism here, and the subdivision of land in Ireland, were suffered to p on, they must eventually have the property of the country swallowed up by the poor.— Emigration, it was said, would cost more money, and the country was not in a condition to pay it. But he denied that there would be any cost of money, where was a strong probability of repaying what they ad- 'aimed. But even if that were not the case, he was pre pared to demonstrate that it would cost less to send out paupers to the colonies, and place them in a situation of comfort, than to keep them hese in their misery and degradation. It appeared irons the Report of the Committee, that 100,000 paupers, men, women. and children, could not be lodged, led, and clothed, for less than an average of 81. each per annum. The interest of the money calculated at the cost of sending out that number of emigrants was 60,0001. and they should there fore effect an actual saving of the difference of 240,0001. in the first year ; but then it *as said that the cost ought not to be defrayed by the tountry at large, but by those who were relieved from the evil ; and that there would be great difficulty in ascertaining who were the parties that ought to pay it. In England there could be no difficulty, because the Pout Rate applied an index to the parties who would be relieved at once. In Ireland, too, he was ready to prove that a large Poors Rate Was actually paid in one shape or another. He should not go more at large into this pan of the subject then, be cause it was his intention, during the remaining part of the Session, to bring forward a substantive mea sure for a pecuniary grant, to be applied to the pur poses of *Migration, upon Which be should take the sense of the House. He would only repeat his question to his Right Hon. Friend—Whether the presence of 100,000 more labourers than thee frit a demand for did not operate as a tax, and whether their removal would not be a relief to the community at large, pro vided the vacuum was not filled up? The Right Hon. Gentleman having concluded an extract from the Com mittee's Report, reminded the House how exceedingly desirable the emigration of females must necessarily be to a colony like New South Wales, where the dispro portion of their sex to the males was so extraordinary and provetbial. He had now gone through the heads of his Bill, and Win really unable to perceive why any Hon. Gent. should be indisposed to give to paupers who were inclined to emigrate the opportunity of effecting a change, which must be so advantageous to their con dition. The whole of the propositions which he bad ; opened to the House, depended upon, and could only be ilmified• by calculations. One of these proposi tions was, that four-fifths of the rate payers, and lout4ltln of the laud proptimers t should be cone Sentient in these cater. AnOther wag, most assuredly, that this Bill was no: to be perpetual Although its objects were calculated on a small scale, the scale Would be suf f icient to enable Parliament to perform the requisite experiment. The present practice of build ing cottages on speculation, which prevailed in so many parts of the kingdom, had a tendency to encourage po pulation at the very moment when it was desirable by all proper and legitimate means to repress it. He had already intimated that he should hereafter take the sense of the House as to the propriety of a vote of rub lie money for effecting emigration on a great scale, and whatever might be the result of that motion, he hoped there would be no objection to his present proposal, for leave to bring in a Bill to enable parishes in England, under given tegulatiens, and for a limited period, to mortgage their poor rates, for the purpose of assisting voluntary emigration. Mr. WARBUR TON bore testimony to the treat in dustry and zeal of the Right Honourable Gentleman, Nut could not cbncur at present in The reasoning upon Which his motion *as founded. The Right Honourable Gentleman assumed, that if 1,200,0001. Were appro priated, in any year, to assist the emigration of 100,000 paupers, the interest of that sum for the year would be but sixty thousand pounds; wheteas, if such paupers were to remain in this country chargeable upon the poor rates, the cost of their maintenance would be not less than 300,0001. and he calculated that the country would be. therefore, a Otter to the extent of 240,0001. Best he altrigether forgot the immeasurable proportion in which any such gain would be overbalanced by the enormous ratio in which eopolation (especially where there was a vacuum, occasioned by the removal of a large body, to be filled up) was increasing in all the old as well moot State, of the *orld. In some of these it doubled itself in five and twenty years, which was at the rate of about three per cent. per annum ; in others the increase was as much as seventeen per cent. He (Mr. W.) did no: mean to oppose the bringing in of the bill : but suggested the* as somekrf the difficulties With which the question s'or Mi. Aide:limn WAITHMAN thought that the plan *as liable to many Objection's, but that the permission to parishes to borro'w on their Poor Rates was one of the Most reprehensibte poters which could, under any circumstances, be given to them. Mr. Secretary HUSKISSON did not think it neces. sary to advert to any of the great principles which were laid down in the Emigration Committee Report, be cause his Right Honourable Friend bad already given notice of his intention to take the.sense of the Hoots upon the propriety of a grant of the public money to carry them into effect; and whenever that motion should come on, the proper opportunity for cussing those principles would present itself. WO Right Hon. Friend had endeavoured to show that there existed in this country (and so probably there did in regard to the amount of capital and the demand for la bour) a redundancy of population which it was desirable to remedy and provide for. Like all Other genial pre positions, however, this was one to be looked at with ive ral qtialifications and modifications, and aids reference to the circumstances of the country at diffetent times. When the Emigration Committee first sat, so convinced was it of the indispensable necessity of a Parliamentary grant to some of the districts in the northern parts of Eng. land and of Stotland, to assist the population to emigrate from the miserable condition in which the then existing stagnation ofts ade hadleft them,that the Committee mace a special Report on the subject. It had since happened, however, that trade in those districts was again in full activity—that there was an ample demand for labour. and no desire on the part of the people to emigrate— (Hear, hear, hear). He (Mr. Huskisson) owned that he saw the same difficulty in the way of his Right Honourable Friend's proposition as that which the Honourable Member for Bridport had stated; namely. the overpowering ratio in which the literati* of population bore upon the limited power which this country could exercise as to the removal cf any por tion of its pauper community. The same redundancy of land, accompanied by a proportionately still greater amount of pauperism than existing in Great Britain, ens to be found at this moment through the Uni•ed Pro vinces forming the kingdom of the Netherlands; and from whatever cause it happened, the same astonish. ing increase of population was going on in Pomerania. Sweden, Denmark, and all those Northern States of Europe which bad for some time past enjoyed the blessingi of peace. The Right Honourable Secretary concluded by expressing his perfect readiness and anxiety to enter upon the discussion of his Right Hon. Friend's propositions, for no one could doubt the immense importance of the considerations and the interests which they involved, however he might dis sent from some part of the reasons upon which they wire founded, or from the conclusions to which he bad come. One thing was certain, that the country would concur with him (Mr. Huskisson) in acknowledging the debt of gratitude which was due to the Right Hon. Gentleman for the benevolent teal, industry, and la bour which he had bestowed on this momentous sot ject. Mr. CALCRAF'T was anxious to guard himself as to the course which he should take upon this question, being desirous, at the same time that he wished it to be thoroughly investigated, and would not object to the bringing in of the Bill, not to pledge himself to any of the principles or the details of the measure. The Ho nourable Gentleman continued to observe, that most of the County Gentlemen were away, and entered his protest most strongly against that part of the lull which introduced the funding system into parishes, and parti cularly objected to the power of mortgaging, which it would confer. He was, however, of opinion that it was due both to the Right Honourable Mover and the Committee to allow the Bill to be brought in. Mr. A. BARING thought the subject involved in considerable difficulty, but thought that his Right Hon. Friend ought to have leave to exhibit his Bill, in order to a proper examination of its machinery. He strongly approved of emigration, but it should be voluntary, and every preparation should be made as to location, itc. beforehand, as well as aid in the way t f transport and other facilities, by tte Colonial Depart. ment. On a smaller scale than that proposed it might be useful, nor did he suppose that the Colonies could at present maintain very great numbers sent out at once. Mr. Secretary PEEL said that his Right Hon. might differ upon some point s o f theytitled to credit for the piing he had s subject, as well as being th e first to of the country to it. He was a s de sirous of emigration as any one, b ut t h oug h t i t wou ld be productive of much more benefit we re i t vo l untar y, tuponen ttioh e n i n than compulsory. He did not thi n k t h e Bill s h ou ld b e drawbdFeertliFriend, bestowed the h owever was fully ta limited in its operation to the county of Sussex, but should be general, and, at all events, that it was entitled to the consideration of the House. 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