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I Do you reeolle& any other inflame where intereft bas not been paid ?--No. For what reafon was the demand of intereft omitted? —I can affign no fpecific reafon; it did not occur to me to be neceffary. What was the amount of money borrowed in the year 1795 ? I cannot take upon myfclf to fay at this moment, &c. &c. Did you know that the 40,0001. fo advanced would be drawn from the Bank ?—1 had no knowledge of the particular mode by which that funs would be furnifhed. Did you believe it would come nut of the public money advanced for Navy Services?—l did. Ought not filch money, according to law, ..co re main in the Bank till affigned to, or drawn for'par ticular Navy Services ?—Yes, I conceive fn. Were you at the time aware of fuch legal provi lions ?—1 certainly mull have known the exittence of the Attl, but its particular provifion was not at that time under my contemplation, &c. Have you any knowledge of a certain (urn of pub lic money, amounting to t0,00c.1. being in :he Lands of Lord Melville in the beginning of the year 1736 ? —No, I have not. The further Examination of the Rig': Hen. tam PITT, taken the Bth of May, t Were any reprefentations at any time made to you by any body, of the circumllance of money iffued to the Bank for Navy Services, being drawn from thence, and lodged in the hands of a private banker or bank. ers ? I have a general recolleCtion, that Mr. Raikes, one of the Bank Directors, and I believe either Go vernor or Deputy Governor at the time, took fume mention to mention to me, that lie believed firms were drawn from the Bank to a larger amount than he fuppofcd to be neceffary, and carried to a private banker's, but no memorandum or document of any fart was given to me ; and at this ditlance of time, I can only hate the fubilance of what palled very ge nerally, and cannot undertake.with any precilion to itcolirtl the particulars. Had you any communication witl4 the Treafurer of the Navy in confequence of what Mr. Raikes had told you ?—Yes, I had ; I took an early opportunity of flaring to him the opinion which Mr. Raikes bad exp•df:d to me. What forth-r patted on the fubjell ?—I cannot hate precifely the converfation that took place be tween us, hut I was led to fuppofe from what palled, that the Treafurer of the Navy did not believe that any larger fums were drawn from the Bank than filch a , were neceffary for carrying on the detail of the fervice in payments to individuals; but I beg to have . it mai, r hood, that I cannot (late with any precifion the terms which were ufel, I only hate the general impreffion left upon my mind. Was that general impreffion fuch as to lead you to difbelieve the faa hated to you by Mr.Raikes, namely that money a ac drawn from the Bank under the au tho•it y rf the Treafurer of the Navy, and lodged at a private Banker's i—lt did not lead me to dilbelieve the fact, that money was drawn from the Bank, and lodged at a pi ivate banker's ; but it led me to believe that no other fums were drown but filch as were ne celTary fur carrying on the details of the tervice. Were you aware that foci proceedings on the part of the Treafurer of the Navy were it egular ?—I was fo far fatisfied with the general (larement in given me, that I made no further inquiry, and I did not particularly advert to the provifions of the At of Parliament ; and it did not occur to my mind, that drawing filc h fums of money as were neceffary for carrying on the details of the fervice was an illegal practice. Did you take any Reps to verify the flatemAts made to you, by calling for an examination of any books, accounts or papers on the fubjeet ?—No, I did pot. I beg leave to obferve, that I have already (laced that I was fo far fatisfied with the general flatement which I received in - converfation with the Treafurer of the Navy, that I made no further inquiry. Did you inform Mr. Raikes of the fatisfaedon you bad obtained from your converfation with the Trea- Curer of the Navy ?—I do not recolle& having after wards any converfationwith hfr. Raikes on the fubjeet. Did you inform any other of the public fervants, or any of the law officers of the Crown, of the com munication that had been made to you by Mr. Raikes? —No, I did not ; no impreffion was left on my mind, after the converfation with the Treafurer of the Navy, to make me feel it =Call"' to take any Reps on the fuhjett. Although you did not know to what extent money was fo drawn from the Bank by the Treafurer of the Navy, and lodged at a private banker's, did you know the praCtice was continued ?—I do not recolle& knowing any thing afterwards on the fubjeCt ; but I conceived, front the Treafirrer of the Navy's conver- Cation, that the practice took place only as necclfary for carrying on the fcrvices, aa I have already ex plained. Did you invefligate inch neceffity ?—No, I did not ; I relied on the given the by the Trea- Curer of the Navy without further examination.— &c. &c. Did Lord Harrowby tell you that he new, or that lie had reafon to fuppofe, that profit had been made of public money, iffued for Naval Service ?—I do not told me that he knew that it had, but he .o fuppofe that it might have been. toy heirs taken by you to afcertain the fa& ? :re were not. la known at the time that profits were de -1 the public money placed in the hands of rakers, fhould you have deemed it irregu- Regal, and confequently a praftice that I mediately to have been flopped ?—I (hould 'lave deemed it a praekice that ought imme have been flopped, Ste. &c. Examination of the Right Honourable 11 1 1a1dAi PM', taken the 17th of May, 18os. ton any reafon to fuppofe that zo,oool. of red for Naval Services, was applied to pur- Naval, dining the laftTreafurerfhip of Lord , bellies the fum of 40,0001. Rated to have 'anced to the hot•fe of Boyd and Berrfield, in 796 ?—I underhood from convcrfation with v ilk, that to the bell of his recollation, that the amount ; and on that ground I hated to that effett in the Houfe of Commons. Nu any information as to the purpofe to :h money was applied ?—I have not. to make an inquiry of Lord Melville on the •I not. • did the converfation take place?—Borne tit: Tenth Report was publifhed, &c. &e. The briber teatatesanon o f nroNAs Rims, Th. tan the Sib of May, 180 s. It has been Rated to the Committee, that the nar rowing of the Bank difcounta had for one objed the checking of fpeculations, fuppofed to be going on at that time ; was that the fad ?---I do not recoiled any fuch circumftance. Was the general meafure taken with a view to the houfe of Boyd in particular?-1 have been in the Bank twenty-eight years, and I never knew it to aft on fuch partial con(ideration. Had you been aware that a certain fum of public money, which by law ought to have remained in the Bank till the time at which it might be wanted to be applied to the (pedal fervice for which it had been iffoed to the Bank, would be withdrawn for the put. pole rf fupporting the bottle of Boyd, fhoold you have thought it your duty, with a view to the interells of the Corporation of which you then had, in conjunc• tion with Mr. Giles, the principal management ,under the difficulties of the Bank at that particular period, to have remontirated with the Chancellor of the Ex chequer on arch tranfaCtion, tc have made any repre fentat:ons to him or others on the fuhjea, or to have taken any Reps to prevent it ?—I certainly knew no thing of any fuch circumtUnce ; if I had known it on any fore foundation, and that any refponilbility thereby devolved on the Bank, I certainly fhould have thought it right to have expolitilated with the Chancellor of the Exchequer upon it. State why you would have expoßulated with him ? Becanfe if I knew that monies which were appropri ated for public fervice were applied to the are of private individual, I fhould have thought it requilite, if it came to me officially, to have mentioned it to the Chancellor of the Exchequer, &c. &c. The further Examination . ornamat FAr. mien the lth o May, 1805. Do you know if any fums of money paid from the Exchequer into the Bank for Naval Services have been drawn from the Bank, and placed in the hands of private Bankers ?—From my own knowledge I cannot fay I do know. Has fach information been given you at any time i Yes; I believe in the year t 797. By whom ?—Mr. Giles, the then late Governor of the Bank, told me that Mr. Dundas, then Treafuier of the Navy, kept his cafb, which by Mt of Parlia ment he was direfted to keep at the Bank, at the pri vate banking.houfe of Mars. Coons and Company. I was going that day to the Chancellor of the Ex chequer on bufinefs from the Bank, and I thought it nffufficient confequence to mention the matter to him, but I called in Mi. Newland, the Cafhier, and inked him as to the circumllance, which he confirmed, and added, that Navy Bills were now paid by drafts up on Meffrs. Courts and Company, instead of upon the bank, as they had formerly been : when I went up to Mr. Pitt, after the immediate object of my bufinefs from the Bank was over, I did in converfation men tion the circumflance to him:. ..... ....... Did anything further pars ?—Nothing particular ; I think Mr. Pitt thanked me for my iuformatiou, and made no further obfervation. Did Mr. Gila tell you any tl ing of the extent of thefe tranfaCtions, or when they commenced ?--Not that I recolleCt. Had you any other converfation with the Chan cellor of the Exchequer than the one you have now Elated ?—None that I recalled. Upon a point of this nature, affc6ing the intereß of the Bank as well as thole of " the public, did it not occur to you to inquire whether any, or what peps had been taken in confequence of your former fug. geltion ?—I looked upon ir,that having made the mat• ter known to the Chancellor of the Exebequer, it was in the hands of the perfon moil c , mpetent tofet any thing right that might be wrong in the bufinefs; 1 do not recolle4l I heard any thing more on the tubjth in the courfe of my office, &c. &c. Is it not ufual to caufe a minute to be taken of any reprefentarion made by the Governor or Deputy Go. vernor or the Bank, which they confider as official ? —This communication was not confidered as official, kc. dtc. Again— Can you mention in what terms you made the com munication to Mr. Pin ?—I told him that I had heard at the Bank that morning, that the Treafurer of the Navy now kept' his call at Me(frs. Coutts and Com pany's inilead of the Bank, where I underflood it limpid he lodged by. Aa of Parliament ; and that I had alfo heard that Navy Bills were now paid by drafts upon Meffis. Coutts and Company, inflead of drafts upon the Bank. • Are you certain that thole are the terms in which you made the communication ?—I am nor fore of the terms, it was eight years ago ; but I am fure of the purport. • Had you any authority from the Bank to mention the converfation alluded to, to the Chancellor of the Exelequer ?—None, I did it with a view to the pub lic good. • You mentioned it as an individual only ?—I cannot fay quite as an individual; I was Governor of the Bank at the time ; I learned it at the Bank, and oleo tioned it to Mr. Pitt, being Governor of the Bank ; I thould 'not have knosin •it had I not been in 'that fituation, nor had any apportunity of making the communication. ' Did you mention the circnmilance to Mr. Pitt, as Governor of the Bank ?—I had rib comMiffion from the Bank to mention it to Mr. Pitt, but I did it in converfation after the Wines was over. By the sword harmers," do you mean fuch com munication to the Chancellor of the Exchequet 4 Upon the bufinefs of the Bank, which, as Goverrteteof the Bask, you was authorized to make to him ?--I do, &c. &c. Aaain— The further Examination of THOMAS RAMS, Eh. falai the Bth of May, tBos. When Mr. Giles informed you of the circumftance of the Treafurer of the Navy keeping his &hi at a private banker's, did he throw nut any hint that fuch money was applied for the profit (f any perfon ? No. Did any fuch idea fuggeft ittelf to you, o did you at the time ever hear it, or know any thiag . of the matter ?—I cant* fay but I had Come' fufincion of it, but nob Ody ever told me, nor did ant thing of the kind ever come to my knowledge. Do )ou recoiled fisting any fulpicion of that fort to Mr. Pitt, or throwing out any hint tending that way ?—As I knew nothing of that kind. I had no right to throw out fufpicions. • -• When did you fird cntertoip loch fufpicinske When Mr. Giles firlt mentioned , it to me. The Eetam;nation of CIOROI BMICZ.fr. Eff....4a.lest • loth of May, 1895. Do you know of any inftance, between Auguft 1796 and January 1798, of any Vittualling Bill which had been regularly accepted, and prefented for pay ment, not having been paid when fo prefented for want of effeas ?—The cafe happened to me in an initanee of my own. State the cafe ?—lt was in a bill of mood. drawn from Martinique by Mr. Detborough upon the Vic tualling Office, regularly accepted, and due the 18th of February 1797, and paid without intere ft on the s a of March, eleven days after it was due, &c. The Eaataistatiox of GEORGIC SWAFIIILD, ?f7. tale. the zot c h a t May, 1805. What are you ? ier of the ViBualling in the Navy Pay Office. Do you know any thing of any bill accepted by the Commiffioners of the Viltnalling Office, and pre fented for payment when dtie, not having been paid at the office when Co prefented, between Anguft 1796, and January 1798 I do not recolleB any fuch cir cumitance, if the bill was complete. What is the meaning of the bill being complete ? That the bill might be accepted by the Board, but not afligned by them for want of money. What is the meaning of not affigned for want of money ?—The money not having been ailed from the Exchequer to the Treafurer of the Navy for the payment of it. On what head of account at the Bank would the affignment of a bill upon the Vittualling Office be made?-.-On the head Vietualling. Is that clafs or head of payment diltind from the Bill and Payment Office ?—lt is Co dilline that I have never any cant at the Bank but under that head of Vidualling. Did it frequently happen "that bills accepted were not affigned for want of money have known many inftances of it. Has the Treafurer of the Navy any thing to do with the making the alignment ?—No. Does not the*Treafuter of the Navy order theiffue of the money when the affignments are made?— Whenever the Commiffioners of Viitualling affign bilk for payment, they fend a lift of thofe bills by way of advice, and that lift is generally fent to me, on which I apply for money to pay it. Is fuch lift fent previous to .he affigpment being made ?—I cannot fay pofitively, but my inftrultions are not to pay tato& bills without firft having die lift, &c. acc. The Appendix contains the Bond of Releafe, exe cuted in February, 1803, between Lord Melville and Mr. Trotter. 'The following claufe refpeaing the debudion of vouchers, is confidered unufual : Whereas for feveral years pall there have been fun , dry accounts. reckonings, and money tranfatlions de pending between us, the account of which have late ly bcen examined, adjulleci, and agreed upon be tween us, and upon fuck examination, fettlement, and adjullment, there remained a balance due from the faid Alexander Tiotter 'to the aforefaicl Lord Vircount Melville, of one theufand 'five hundred, and eighty pounds, eleven (billings, and one penny, Rerling money, with which final examination, ilate ment, and adjuflment both parties declaie them felves perfectly fatisfiecl, and do hereby approve and ratify the fame. And they have either mutually *- livered up to each othe'r, or iefolved and agreed mu-1 tually to cancel and deftroy all the vouchers or other memorandums and writings.'that at any time here tofore may have exifted, paffed, or been interchanged between them relative to the Paid accounts, anti ;he different items and articles of which the raid accounts are compofed or confift ; and they have further re folved and agreed, mutually to releafe and 4ifcharge each other up to the day of the date of thefePsefeuta, for now and ever : Therefore, &c. &c. &c. think he tr appeared tc —l4^ ; the i Had you rived horn private Bar lar I:nd ill • opght imm .ertainlyh• diat r ly to h he furllgr Have yo money iffor pc,fes not N Melville, b been advan the year 17 Lord Mc Iv Was nearly my belief t Have yc which fuch Did you fubjeS ?-1 When c time after JONDON. SATURDAY, JUNE t. PRICE OF STOCKS THIS DO' AT ONE q'cLocx: Confolt, Ihut—for July s9ii—Onmium 3* • f. PRICE OF STOCKS YESTERDAY : 'Book Stock, t7sti India Beads, to a ss 4IL 3 per Cent. Red. A 1113.0 371 i Intp. 3 Per Can. 561 3 per C. cat Aim. Slut s per Cali. Ss 4 per Cent. 741," Eating. Bills, xi. dK It.. fit. 5 Per Cent. Navy. RIM' °motion. A 3 Prim $ per Gat. 1797, 92 1. Emil& Tkketa 191. os. Loos 1/nn. 16 It-t I CooL for am. 59ff Both Honks of Parliament adjourned yeflerday until Wednefday next. In the Houle of Commons Mr. H. LArCILLIS intimated, that, if in the promifed liefolutions of Mr. Weirea ifiere Mould be any attempt to criminate the Cuaricestme . of the Ex cittv ea, he hoped Come other Member of the &lea Committee would be ready with refolutions of acon trary defcription ; if not, he himfelf; he laid, would propofc loch Refulutions: As we feared yefterday, the news from Penzance of Lord Ns Lena having had an engagement with the Combined fleets, turns out to be incorrc&. A letter received this morning from the fame port informs us that an officer was landed there from the ?Lova& (loop of war, with difpatcbes for Government, bnt of 1 a different nature from what was repOrted. There difpatcbes were received yefterday and relate merely to the return of the enemy's fquadron from the Weft Indies to a French port, which is Rated to have taken place on the t 9th or zoth of WT. This day a Hamburgh Mall arrived, as alto one from Gottenburgh. The only important articles which they bring are the following MADRID, MAY 3.—Our Carthagena fitradron, con filling of fix fail of the line, under the command of Admiral Salaam, pat to tea on the 27th of April, in the morning, and not on the Bth or sah, as before repotted. Our fleet at Ferrol is now completely ready to fail, and expeits the an i val of another divifion, with which it will aEt in conjun6ion. To-day we are allured that above thirty fail of East& fltipstave appeared, off Ferrel. • • ' • Oat privateers, the Efpadarte, the Buena•Dicha, and the Madrileno, of which the two former were fitted out at the expence of private individuals here, have taken fix Englifh prizes; and on the 27th of April, an Englifh golletta on the coaß of Valencia, was taken by boarding after an obilinate engage. mew, , in which the Englifh had 28 men killed, and fix wounded. The golletta, which was very much damaged, funk; the furvivors of the crew were, bow. ever, Caved. Mr. HUNTIR, who, before the war, refided here as Englifb Conful General, is appointed Britdh agent for the exchange of prifoners, and has been acknow. ledged in that capacity by our Court. AMSTERDAM, MAT 13.-.-OIIT Gazette mentions a report from Paris, that Admiral Mary. with two (hips of the :ine, and three frigates, with stoops on board, has put to fea from the Me of Rhe, and that their deaination was the EaR Indies. IraLr, Mar B.—The greatefi aetivity (till cond. ones at Genoa in fitting out !hips for the French fer vice. An enumeration has been taken of all the Li. gurian Teals and feamen. The number of the for. mer, great and fmall, amounts to 2000, and that of the latter to above 13,000 men. FLoLincr, APRIL 27.—The report which has been in circulation Tome time, that Prince Euosat Bea vitalism: will marry our Qtjeen, and take on him the Regency of the kingdom of Etruria, (kill con. tinues. It is even raid that the King of Spain has written to our (teen, and fignified to her his wins, that the would not refute this marriage ; but we are affured, that her Majetly has not yet accepted this propofal ; but that on the contrary the espreffes a with to remain a widow. The Prince de Pfol4lltlo pallid through this city laR week, eacepito, on his way to Rome. CONITAINTIIIIOPLE, Anil. 15.-T-The Grand Vizier was difplaced on the zzd inftant, and the Captain Pada appointed to that office in his Read. The fix+ ceiror of the latter is Hadgi Mehemed Aga, former. iy Boßandfhi Bafchi. frOTTENBUILO, MAY za.—An Englint and a Rd: flan courier have arrived this evening, in ten days from St. Peterlhorgh, with important difpatches, and have both embarked for England, in the lady Francis packet, Captain FLY,. We ( Darn Rusk PO) expreffed an anxious hope in our lan, that we fhould be enabled in a thort time to explain the particulars of an article which ap• peered in the Daila gowned of Saturday, concerning the county of Kildare. We have made aria inquiries into the fubjea, and on the annexed particulars we think the public may depend : A perfon implicated in the Rebellion of 1798. and•who fought againft the King's troops, returned a fhort time fince to the neighbourhood of Clans. where be formerly refided, and never having takeß advantage of the terms held out by Lord Cot swat.- tO; wits, of eourfe, apprehended, and put into eon tnement. Three Other perfons, a father and his two fon., were arrefied much about the fame time, on charges Paid to be of a rebellious nature. %%ether the(e charges relate to revolt, we have not been able to afcertaii ?—we believe they do not.—Dublin, May aB. The impartial principles upon which Mr. BRANDON aged, in letting the boxes at Covent Garden, during the nnprecedentedlattriftiim of the YOUNG Roscrus. gained him the approbation even of thofe who were fometimes difappointed of places. His atten; tion and affability on thole difficult occafions, which are likely to mewr again next Seafon, deferve, and we truft will obtain fame more fubßantial proofs Of obligation than mere profeffions of thanks. We have little doubt that the fafilionable frequenters of the Theatre will be anxious to thew their fenfe of his reedy and obliging condo& ; and that the Honk, at his Benefit on Tnefday next, will be graced' with as brilliant 'and numerous an audiepce as on the Moll croirded of Matter BITTY'S performances. , The Committee appointed by the Corporation of London to conduet. the improvement of the Port of London, have direttedthe Town Clerk to communi cate to his Royal Highnefs the Prince of Waxes their refolution Co open the' Canal from Limehoufe to Blackwell, on the leilr of Augoft, in honour of his Royal Higbnefs's birth day.' Selee Committee is appointed to fuperintend the proceedings and enter tainments on that day. c' • Any advantement in the art of yelieving the difeafes of mankind is alwaiyi interefting and impor tant. - It will, doubtlefs, be known With considerable pleafure, that a Society of Profeffional den - demos who have long diftinguifhed thentfelves, are admini fteringthe Galvanic influence In a 'great variety of cafes of Riff joints, paralized limb'', and gotta reran; with the tioft Complete fuccefs, at rk. 3 t, Newman ftzeet, Oxford•road. 'There are five days of the Lottery to draw, and all the Prizes of 30,0001. and 20,0001. are yet in the Wheel, betides a great proportion of the inferior Capitals. Tuefday is the next day 'of drawing, when the firft drawn Ticket will he entitled to 20,0001. The talk Prize of zo,oool. attached to a firft drawn Ticket, was fold at Sw:Fr and Co.'s Office, in the Poultiy, in 16 fizteenth flares. FIFTH Day......411e ticket, 27,749. drawn a Prize of a,oool. was fold and regiftered at Bastes Offices, to an eminent Attorney, at Newcaftle on Tyne.— The ticket 13,001, a Prize of wool. was .fold in (hares, and the fortunate holders may receive their money on demand.—Undrawn tickets and !hares will continue on &feat both Else's Offices, 4, Corn bill, and 9, Charing Crof,s, whillt any remain.—The wheel is immenfely a ich, and tickets are getting [carte; the firft drawn ticket next Tuefday is entitled to ao,oool. in honour of his Majefty's birth day.—There are only five days more to draw. tourt WATER. AT LONDON RRIDOR TO-MORROW . Morning 37 annum after $ %. Afternoon o ohms after 6 LONDON : Printed and Poblilited by LEVEL KENT (of Can terbury-glue. Landietb), at fibt4STA Orrice, No. I. Celli- Rust. Weed at at the ST4I Oa tIC3B