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PARLIAMENTARY' PROCEEDING4'. BROKE OPEN between Monday 2 ch and day sift IPeltireaq.a OeDdease's les, el theaadrrarnlwri R. A Gold the Witch, with the Maßees nuns as the 1:** 1 In ate; the sodas the iatide wets as soder. issues Wager. s. A. HOP A Heir Chain Aped. Gold hinuniiing, with Rye bid &lb lefrudod to it, sew of which was t waved, a Cypher C. V.l. with the Motto. bincerity, the odors were Set Ivermed• 3. A hrge Gold Ring with an Antigoe Head of a Grey Cedahr,fra a Morocco Cafe. sew worn. 4. A Dhunsod Pin, droller tape. J. A Pitts Dkto.opera torcedve Hair. if say of the above Articles have bees Wend fer Lk. le that say one caagive 'good account of the Perfon or Perrone who tea. Awed thew, lball receive a Reward according to the Value of the Articles, escialive of the Reward for apprehendiog and convi4le4 Pelona. by applying Pothwally. or by Later. at Harvey's LUATI7. Weymouth. NOM OF COMMONS. MARCH is. Purbust to the defire expreffed in a Mame feast the Hoare a( ears, the Speaker and leveed Member, went to th: ll4 U t z Houk. On his return the Speaker seqsainted the Hoak had beard the Royal Addidonal /Went given Po by eanurddisa to the so Mll. Nom Leo OM the itage Doty FA the twee** Bill, &adipose Private NU Mr. Batumi. gave notice that an Thtufday newt he would mare fer leave to Inks In a MU for the better regulation of Elea aims in Inks& Lord W. Rosen moved, not the Order for the Honk this day taking Into readderation the Report of the Koardborooph Ridden Committee, be difcbarged, sod that the Order be made met for Tharfday nat. He would then move, that the Attorney General be defired to profealte the efftsdlog pardes..—Tbe Order Ise TharGloy was agreed Why the Hook Mr. Carefree, with leave of the Hook, poßponed his medic relative to the Of:Weldon of Mr. Ffwdyee, from Ttordtipy to Toeftley An Account waa probated from the Conimillionees appointed for the Iledadtice ef the National Debt in Irdaed,itating the m irth which has been wade towards the attainment of that qbjed. ...Ordered to be laid on the table. and to be printed. LLCACY DUTY SILL. Mr. STURM BOUINa moved, that the Hog fe ;meld go into a Comndttee of the wbo k Hoek an the Legacy Duty on Friday nest. Mr. Gm Minted to know. as the mime introdeced s new primipb, if tip 1111 could be printed ? Mr. S. &vans thought there Inlaid gm be time foickito— Poitpoood tin ray. MUTINY 3114.. Couverfation of eonfiderable length took plate on the /doting for the third Reading of the above Bill, and on the bringing up of the Claufes requiring . the Members of Regimental Courts Martial to be (worn, and authorifing them to omi:tiller oaths to Witnefee. The SECRETARY at WAR, General FITZ. PATRICK, Sir EYRE COOTE, and General NORTON, defended the principle of the Claufe on the ground that it would tend to thew the foldier in a dill more convincing manner thati ever that the Legifiature had a careful eye over their interefts with cm there being the flightett murmur of complaint, and indeed when the Houle bad the fullelt convic tion that no tante of complaint elided, but that the meafure was inch as Parliament in its wifdom had thought fit to adopt, for the 'porpofe of giving a greater degree of dignity to the proceedings of Inch Courts, and alto with a view to the metering of fol dim again!!! the etre& of frivolous complaints, which ore frequently made sgaintt them by perfons who are not in the Army, as the ten of adjuration would !sidle means of afcertaining what was the truth with a greater degree of Certatuty than could hitherto bay', been done in firth caret. At the fame time th, Honourable Members ruppored that by this means a foldier would be rendered more contented with his fituation, and the attachment of the foldier to the Officer would be confider ably increafed. Sir JAMES PULTENEY laid, that he had not beard a fufficient reafon eftablithed to anthorife the Hoare in making fuch an alteration in an efiablithed regulation of the army, under which it had flourithed for many years. He thought there was a deal of good fence in a letter to which his Right Hon. Friend (Mr. Windham) had referred, which ob (treed that, though the nuncsuarres which it is necef- Cary for a foldier to be 'killed in are Wily learned, the adaptation of the mind to a ready obedience of every order, a cheerful endurance of every bardthip, and an inviolable attachment to his fuperiors, confti tnted the moll material parts of x folchees charafter, and was the moll difficult to be obtained. The na. tural tendency of the claufes now propofed would have a tendency to difunite the foldier from the offi cer, as be would then think himfelf more independent of him, and the examination of the witnelies og oath, as to the fubjea of inferior crimes, would be an ob. *tele in the way of afcertaining the truth ; as they would frequently be apt to fay that', ley 'Wired!, though they could not pofitiv* briar. Theredid not appear to be any prat ice' neceffity for the fore, and be mould vote again& it. Lord TEMPLE was Anteilling to give his airent to the multiplication of oaths , efpcc ially when the party who was guilty of fuch a crime was not liable to any puniffinrent for the breach of his oath. A General Court Martial was a Court of Record, the witnelfes were (worn, and were liable to be profecuted for perjury if they (wore fare, A Regimental Court Martial was not a Court of Record, and could not, therefore, with propriety, be affimilated to that which was one. .. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER agreed with the gallant Officer, that 'there was no radical neceffity for the meafure which was now propofed I but as the fubjeoft had been bronght for ward to be dircullid, he mull fay that he fincerely approved of the meafure. It was the more generous of the Houfe to grant fo much in favour of - the Ar my without being sliced to do fo, or even hearing a murmur on the fubjsa . With refpea to the evafion of witaeffes on account of the folemnity of an oath, drat would ;end to &cher the foldier againft the fri volous complaints of inhabitants who might be ready to Rate their charges unattetled, but would be apt to be more cautious of bringing fuck charges spin& the men, when they knew at they would have to atteft them upon oath. Lord DE BLAQUIERE Paid, that the innova tion was made by Regimental Courts Martial being (offered to tread upon the heels of the general courts. However, he thought it would be a mockery of the folemnity of their proceedings to have an oath ad reinalered for the examination .of every charge of a petty nature. Colonel rgANKLAND nhferved, that it might alninft as reafonabiy expelled that a fchool inAtter fbnuld be (warn to tl. , juflice at every time that them was a breath of order among his fcho- astern's!! dint Weh a neettfave &told ke re. the trial 4f every petty offence he the , tiro oral WILLIAM STEWART reneged the or g a more numerous attendance of Officers oo n 1 Courts Martial. He thought that the nu of Officers requifite to form a Court Gould be died at (even, or at the lowa it ffiquld be made necefary that five Would be prefent. quantum of paniament for trivial offences, be was of opinion, ought to be particularly defined, according to the nature of the offence. Brigadier General CHARLES STEWART would not have intruded himfelf on the notice of the Hoofs, being aware of the number of Officers that were more experienced than himfelf, and confeqnent ly better judges of the claufes to be introduced into the Bill before the Houfe than himfelf, had it not been for the circumflance of the fintilarity of rank and name between his Hon. Friend General Stewart and himfelf, and confcquently of the poffibaity of his Friend's fentiments, which he highly refpeaed, but did not approve, being taken for his. He was againd the ideas his Hon. Friend had fisted to the Houfe, of limiting punilhtnents to be infiiaed, and the neeeffity of feven or five Officers on Regimental Courts Martial. He had the honour to command a regiment of cavalry very much difperfed in Ireland, and if it was necaffitry. io a difpand quarter,to af (amble five or feven Officers before a [mall ffence could be punifhed by Court Martial, or to tranfport the prifolier, with all evidence, 6o or 8o miles for . head-quarters, for the fame en d, the prifoner would be kept much longer in confinement before trial, and the thing attended with very great inconvenience and no advantage. General Stewart' thought military Courts Martial, as far as he could judge, concluded with decorum, and was again& anp clears being in troduced in the Mutiny Bill, bUt-would not attempt to fay, as the thing had been agitated by the Secre tary at War, how far it was now politic to recede from the propofition. The queffion was then put, and the claufe read a fir[ time. On the qoeftion for thefecond reading of the clank, revere! other obferrations were made, nearly to the fame elle& Sir j. WROTTESLEY, however, thoogh he ob leited to the elaufe Bing added to the WU, Paid that he oppofed it through an apprehedion of the improper ofe that tniglat'be made of it by pettyfog ging attornies. He, however, did not profs the Houk to a cUrifion. That part of the foggertion of General Fitzpatrick that relates to (he age of the Prefident of a Regi. mental Court Martial, was, after tome debate, given up. The other amendment, as already flate4, was for med into a new claufe, which was at length ail4ed. by way of rider to the Bill, which was then pared; and ordered to be fent to the Lords. TAX ON HORSES VIIILO IN /11011COLTURI. The order of the day being moved-for the (mad reading of this Bill, Mr. PLUMER obferved, that the Right Hopour able Gentleman oppefiti (lidr.Pitt) finned to be very much miaaken as to the capacity of the Farmer to pay this tax. He allured the Right Hon. Gentleman that the fanner could better ad to contribute to wards'the exig -mcies of the State when corn was fold for one fourth of the price which it now bears than he can et prefent, notwithflanding the confideration of the high price of corn might induce Gentlemen to form a very different opinion. If, however, as had been (aid on a former night, the tax mould ultimately be made to fall upon the confnmer, this was a time which was peculiarly unfit for the impofition of a tax Which would fall upon the lower orders of the people. He did not snake the °Nation which he now dated, on account of an additional tax being laid upon the people, as he knew that under the prefent cream. dances of the country, it was the duty of eyery man cheerfully to give the utmoa of his affiikance towards the fupport of the State. But he objeaed to the tax, as falling 'upon a clefs of people who were unable to bear the borthen. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER Paid, every' thing in his power to command had been called in aid, with the view' to equalize the general fylient of taxation, and more new founts had been fought out to es:a this, than had been relbrted to at fOrmer periods. Not only general principles had been regarded, bat a minute examination of the par. ticular circumflexes applicable to the feparate cafes bad been attended to. Thus, here it was difcovered, that in Elks, Norfolk, and Berktitire, the tax, on an average; would not extend to more than between four and five horfes on each farm. -There were not more, on the average, than three= the graft farm., and not more than five, on the arable ground, liable to this tax. Iliere was no arable country which had net foam graft farms, and no grazing diaries which had not tome portion of arable: It might be fair to cop; fider the bufthen to fall upon both, in the pvtiportion of 1.750 th, i. t. upon arable, 1.500 th, and upon griffs, t-toootk part of the produce of the farm. Confider ing.tbe weekly fluEtuations of the markets, mid the magnitude of the concern, this really could Mt be chi as ferious argument again& the tax. The ut molt to which it could ittiount would be Ad per quarter of wheat.. This qUantity was rather more than the eonfumption of nue perfon during the whole year. If, then, the Houfewas called upon to impofe productive taxes, there appeared tamely any which could be lets objeeionable. 'The only other ground of refinance which bad been taken, was the inperio rity it gave to grids over arable farms. It did Teem to him that the reafoning applied to the former quef. tion, completely anfwered the prefent. Would the eircunallance of paying I Id. mote upon wheat, induce the farmer to alter his fyitem, and to throw his land into grafs t or mould he not be governed in his de termtnation by objets more fit to influence his mind on a &ilea of this nature ? But Gentlemen, when they hated there objeeions, were hot confidering upon whom the tau would ultimately fall; it has manifell that it would devolve, not upon the farmer, but upon the land. Yet admitting the farmer would exclufively fullain this tax, was there, even in that cafe, any ra tional motive to oppok its From the very nature of taxation in a fociety engaged in •diverfified purfuits and buena,. it was necedary that the bunhen &odd be impofed famed:nes on one clefs, fornetimvs an an other. Lately we had a tax upon clerks, porters and perfons excluilvely kept by merchants, manulatan rers, and tradeffnew there it might have been ob jeaed. This was exclolivelly en e4ll4latto as yea- ' fonably as that bei e it-fhoulsi be feparately on agri- culture. The whole return upon commercial pro perty was only z 8 millions upon agriculture, it was 40 millions. All that could be done, was to make the one counterbalance the other, and diminiffi the weight as much as poffible upon the whole community. Mr. PLUMER rote to explain. Mr. COKE's (of Norfolk) ground of objeaion was, that the tax tended to deprive the farmer of the means of cultivating his land. He was confident, that thelait tax had occafioned fewer bodes being kept than were necefar y for the improvement of tlie ; and he believed. if the Right Hon. Gentleman felt the fame conviaion he (Kr. Coke) did on this ruble& this fax would not be fo arenuoolly staid by him. The effect was, that the quantity of grain was diminithed by' fuch indifcreet impofitions, and the land was not marled and moored adequately. from the deficiency of animal Rringth on the ground. It was* familiar faying. that when poverty got into the liable, it would not be long before it crept into the hoofs. There was as little minima amonga far. niers ht any county of the kingdom is Norfolk ; yet the tax would be perniiiiias there. He did not fay oxen might not be ufed to great advantage; but after all the e fforts that had been mad* to introduce theta, they were very rarely and partiallt ensplogid, and he hoped that it was not the [chew of the Right Hon. Gentleman to propoth a tai for the exprefs purpofe of forcing the ox 'team op the fanner, con. nary to his judgment and' experience . Whatever might be the fanciful calculations of the Right Hon. Gentleman. he would venture to airert, that the tax would amount to is: an acre inmate upon the rents of the counties of Norfolk and Suffolk. It was four pounds aerling upon each plough, and it would be, in the fame ratio throughout the tin done. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCI-lEQIJER, and Mr. COKE. faid •a few words in explanation. Sir WATKIN WILLIAMS WYNNE:faith this was a tax upon land entirely. and which preffed upon improvement molt unequally. The quantity of horfef required depended upon various contingencies. Some firms had the facility of water communica. titles by canals and rivers,' and hence leis tnufctilar force was requifite. It was peculiarly hard uponlands Ina able to Ibpport the tax. becatife poor lands re quire moil manure, moll tillage, and molt 'animal labour of every kind. Grafs land was the spoil pro. dsaive, and yet; on the computation of the Right Honourable Gentleman (M r . Pitt), it paid only half tJle rum towards the revenue that was exalted of the arable ground. The laa year, from the molt enlightened policy. it was the endeavour to increafe thequantity of tillage. Now fainn contraaed views we were to connteraa that pindens, fyaem,. In mountainous diaries fix hales wertygplayect when three only were fufficient on the phon e Row could a man, occupying a farm of 601., Lipp; afford to pay di. per annum for fix horfes f • The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER explained, that all horfes under t 3 hands high were excluded, and alto (mall farms. It might be a quef. nod for the Cotntuittee to decide on the precifie limit under which no farm guirild be liable. Sir WATRIN WiLLIAMS WYNNE raid the exemption mould extend to all bodes under i 4 and a half hands, for none beloer tbolt height were in general fuited to draught. Mr. FOX had very little that he now prepared to offer on the general prints . * of the Bill. Tke farms at prefent eaen h tpt were are ender ail and that was a very (ma ll coneeffion. The tax was exclulively upon land, and upon arable, in contra.dittinetion to grafi land. It was alfo upon (mall farms moll bur thenfome for on the capital employed in the larger, it mull be much Ids fenfibly felt. He had always underlined it was the defign, from confiderations the mat urgent, to promote the employment of the plough; why this prole& lhould be abandoned, he bras not at all aware. When this was not only con fidered as a dire& tax upon land, but was conuated with the time in which it was impofed, with the Pro perty Tax, and with the difficulues with which the farmer had to encounter from various mires, who could doubt that it was a (aimss difcouragement of agriculture? Th* CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER raid, he had endeavoured to hew the futility of the argument agaitill the tax, as an impediment to agri culture, and had the Hon. Gentlemen been in his , the objeitioniwouid have had lets ireigbt per ps than be ( Mr. Fox) now eon fi dered them to ge&rs. Mr. H. WILLIAMS oppofed the tax as very op weffive upon the poorer fartners, and as conducive to lefen the number of horfes employed in the culture of the ground. Mr. DICKENS, on runner principles, refilled this mean:re. What with the Property Tax, the ibcrea fed poor rates, and the advance in every utenll on the farm, whether fupplied by the fmith, the wheel. wright, or by whatever defcription of mechaniii, it was inspoffible, that under all there ditcouragements; agriculture, on which the labfillence of the country depended, could Smith. GILES (aid,' the Bill would be oppreffive to the farmer, - and could not for a confiderable time reach the.conftimer.' Nearly 400,0001. would be to be rairld by the . II of Ohober next, if the Right Hon. Gentleman ' Was fuccefsful in the Additional Force Bill; and whin the burden of that impofition was confidered, he hoped there would be little incli nation in any part of the Houle to enhance the diffi culties of the farmer. Bottle had a filmset ground of oblation ; he Would contend , that the Houle could not impure this tax without a breach of the faith of Parliament. In order to explain this, we mull advert to the Property Tax. This was not what its title p.prported it to be,but it was upon the profits arifing c•ut of profellions, offices, and empfernents of ens kinds. The merthant madea return of his pro fits, and upon thathe paid his tax. Not to with the farmer, his profit warnot fo received, it was dentin& ed to amount to three-fourtheof his rent, and neither more or lets was to be the alined, of his profits.— Hence Parliament. could not import. new 'lazes to lefen his profit, without a flagrant violation 'of their engagement. Thin was in oblation to inky tax up. On the capital of the farmer employed in his trade:— (4 cry of 1 Isar I from tie lifialfirial lforrlos.) He was glad to obferve the attention of Gentlemen on he other fide was excited, and be hoped they would therefore underlland, it was exprefbly agreed, on the faith of Parliament, that the farmer's -profits ibquld I bear a given proportion to his rent. Mr. CANNING Lid. Gentlemen had adverted to the Additional Force Bill. Nine, ten, or eleven thou fand men were to be railed under it—this was one or two men film each porn. and could not add fo much to the burthen of the farmer as Gentlemen teemed to imagine. The argument of the Hon. and Learned Gentleman, as applied to the faith of Parliament, he could not at all comprehend. It would prove too much, if it proved any thing ; for it svould then thew that all taxes. immediate or tntermediate, on the mer, would be a violation of public faith. Dir. GREY replied to the Right Hon. Gentleman on the fubjee of the Additional Force Bill, in refpee to which a great mifapprehenfion was indulged. The ' Bill was to raife 03,000 men, and in the whole 27,000: not 2,000 had yet been produced by it ; hence this large defalcation was to be provided, and the burthen bad been very moderately computed by Gentlemen on his tide of the Honk. The Tax now propofed was moll impolitic, new difficulties were riling on every fide, and the great refource to enable us to encounter thefe was the improvement of agriculture, which. Was thus unwifely fruftrated. He very much doubted the policyof the Bill of the lo ft Beffion, for Which the Right Hop. Gentleman teemed to airtime to mach merit ; and of this he was confident, as a general principle, that the lets tbek matters were in. terfered with II 'Aga/titre regulation the better. • The ATTOulgit GEN RA I: laid, Gentlemen had conjured up a phantom, in order to arnufe them (elves, tut winch could have po concern with the prefent propofitiori. The extent and the general (pi nt of impmvement wee well known. and it was not to be &Co:waged by fuch truing eircumilances. f.f Gentlemen were really finfiblethatthe meafore would be injurious to agriculture, all of them would concur in oppofing this tax, but the mere allegation yea.v not to be admitted as proof of pernicious tenday. Was it to be fuppofed, confideritlg the large iptereft and property involved in agriculture, that a horfe would be dil - niiffed for the trifling confideratinn of (even thillings and fixpence Was it gravely to p: contended fueh would be the effeft ? Sir ROBERT BUXTON laid, the farmers had been reduced to the greatell extremity and if the price of corn had continued as it was left year; MOO of them would have been ruined. He felt the abfo; lute necelLty of taxes, and he detefied to oppofe them ; but he could not avoid colfidering the prefent as very impolitic. Mr. BASTARD contended, that the farmers were tingled out as objeCt's of taxation, onder pecu liar difadvantages. The Property Tax' was fup pofed to be an income us, but it was not fo to Cie farmer. If he fent hit books to the Commiflioners, they Paid they had nothing to do' with them ; and whatever might be his loges, he was'obliged to pay, as if hihad acquired a tont - Kimble pro6}. 64s Bill were to increafe the price of bread ; if its ten ' deney was to lam the quantity of arable land'; if to drive moo men from the innocent einployMent bf tisk field of nature to the field of battle; under ant or all of thefe circumilances, he mull oppofe the meaftire. ' - • Mr.'RQSE FULLER raid a few words. Mr. SPENCER STA. 7it ExeFommended e;- tending the eaemptioijs t : =~ , • . •• •:-. okfiderable rent, and not toimputrilut • • -.. • 01* where werelt i % only tiro horfes ... --.. ,M.. 4 ` Mr. HUSKISSON . • , api4on which! this tax was objetted - ipply.to all others.-.: The former tax did not operate to Wren the number of horfes ; on the contrary, they had greatly increaf: ed. In tttl, there were exempted 29,oco'horfes, of which Boon were employed in Wales ; fo that the Hon. Baronet had no reafon to complain of the bur. then in his own country. One third of the licirf.s iit that principality paid no duty. Mr. FELLOWS fait, the number of honks in ttlos, were all,ooo ; in 1803, 29,000. ;Te thought they had lately diminithed, and-they w ould' Oe -et further reduced by the tax. Mr.BAKEK laid fuch a tax ought to be well confidered, before it was paired, and he thought ttiat confideration would lead W an unfavoUrihlt ;0041- Gon as to its tendency.' The quedion being loudly called for, the Hoare divided, when there appeared—Againa the lice:int:l reading of the Bill 76—For it 73—Majority againit the Bill 3. SALT DUTY. The order of the day for the third reading of the Salt Duty Bill being moved— The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEIZIER. Paid, it was his intention to propofe an alteration this tax, with relped to Scothnd, as he had been af- Cured the quality of fait tiled there was much infe rior, and confequently a greaser quantity of it was necefary for the purpofe of curin g than that ufed in England ; but if , on enquiry, it fhould be found otherwife, he hoped' he thould not fm barred from laying on the tax. Mr. KINNAIRD was happy he was prevented from bringing forward his motion for an amend bunt with refpeet to Scotland, by the Right Honou rable Gentleman's (Laing his intention of making an alieratiem. Sir WILLIAM YOUNG faid, it was a tax princi pally bearing on the lower orders of people, and then entered into a tlatement of the different quantities of falt neceffary for curing hogs of different weights, urging ftrongly, that the bacon hog falted by the poor man, took much more fah than that which would be cured for a gentleman'. table. Sir ROBtRT BUXTON faid, the fame rearm which made him vote against the Taft tax, namely, that it was pot on general confumption, made 1.; ,, t vote for this, as he thought it was an equitable tat. • Mi. C. W. WYNNE (aid, the fame reafon made him vote against the laft tax, made him alio vote tglittft this, as it was a tax on the poor, woo ufed much more falt than the rich. Mr. BGERT9N walled to know, whether it w cre the intention of the Minitler at that time to alt,:r the tail with refpeQ to Scotland, and what that alteration Ivriuld be ? • The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQ UER Paid, what he meant was, that the Salt D uties lhould be augmented with refpea to Scotland, in die fame proportion as they now bore to the Sal: Dmic , . in England. Mr. ROSE thonght the confumption amongft the poor was not fo great as atonne the rich, 21.1 en tered 'into a proof of the advantages derived from drawbacks. • iirTIaINSTONE raid, the poor mof Iteceirr:;: , • BROKE OPEN between Monday 2 th and -- day satalrebreary.loanloase's SOS. tllol'ool6. the Itronondemed Asileles.; S. A Gold the Week with the Maker's name as the ilfe, A. Plates the sides the Weide weeks as Nader. issues Seaga: HAY S. A Heir Chi% pima. Geld henundog, with Ave bid Seib lafpmded to it, sew of which was t muted. a Cypher C.V.I. with the Motto, hiseerity, the others were Set IMMO. 3. A hese Gold Ring with an Amiga Head of a Grey CadooMn a Mamma Cafe, sew warn. 4. A Dlsmood Pin. droller Rape. S. A Diem 1/enemata toreedve Hair. Umy of the above Articles have bees Wend ler felt. fat that say one esagive aimed account of the Perfos or Perrone who tem. tiered them, than reedy, a Reward according to the Value of the ' Articles, escialive of the Reward for apprehendiog and eonvietleg Moos. by applying Porimally. or by Letter. at Harrel's Libealp Weymouth. PARLI4MENTARr PROCEED/Nal. • HOUSR OF COMMONS. 'LARCH is. Portman to the defire expreffed in a McCaig from the Hoare alPeara, the Speaker and fevers' Members west to the Houle. On his return the Speaker ~Stained the Hoak 64 had beard the Royal /Went given by ereamMisa to the sa lions Las 1101, the Addidonal Mtge Duty pal, the itharandoe Bill, sad false Private MU Mr. Ilatutacc gave notice that as Thtufday neat he would mare far leave to being in a Bfil for the batter regulation at Elsa irons in helm& Lord W. Rum. moved, That the Order for the Houk this day taking into coafideration the Report of the Koarelboroagit Eledlion Comatittee, be difebargal. aad that the Order be made met for Thereby nat. He wood that move, that the Attorney General be dented to pedants the affesding panks..—The Order Ilse ThurGlay was agreed 'lrby the Hank Mr. CIZVIZT. with leave of the Hoofs, rearmed his static relative to the Detail:Woo of Mr. Fordyce, from Tharkipy to Tocklay nat. An Account was prefinted from the Contmillioners appointed for the Rednalan of the National Debt in irehod,ilathig the m- ire& which has been made emends the attainment of that Wed. • ...Ordered to be laid on the table, and to be printed. LLCACY DUTY SILL. Mr. STURM Bala Ma moved, that the Hoek *odd go into a Comndttee of the wink Hoak as the Legacy Duty Rill oa Friday nest. Mr. Gm wiihed to know. as the meanie intradaced a new priodpie, if the ROI could be printed ? Mr. S. floosies thought there would one be time fullidest•— , • licteyened tM Frbity. MUTINY DILI. A Converfation of confiderable length took plug on the Motion for the third Reading of the above Bill, and on the bringing up of the Claufes requiring the Members of Regimental Courts Martial to be (worn, and authorifing them to adminitter oaths to Witnefee. The SECRETARY at WAR, General FITZ. PATRICK, Sir EYRE COOTE, and General NORTON. defended the principle of the Claufe on the ground that it would tend to thew the foldier in a dill more convincing manner thati ever that the LegiOature had a careful eye over their interells with. • , oat there being the flighteß murmur of complaint, and indeed when the Houle bad the fullelt convic. Lion that no tante of complaint elided. but that the meafure was flub as Parliament in its wifdom had thought fit to adopt, for the 'porpore of giving a greater Awe. of dignity to the proceedings of Inch Courts, and alto with a view to the thawing of fol. dig" again!! the elk& of frivolous complaints, which ore frequently made againft them by perfons who are not In the Army, as the ten of adjuration would lack the means of afcertaining what was the truth with a greater degree of certainty than could hitherto: have, been done in filch cafes. At the fame time th, Honourable Members fuppored that by this metal a foldier would be rendered more contented with hit fituation, and the attachment of the foldier to the officer would be confider ably increafed. Sir JAMES PULTENEY raid, that he had not heard a fufficient reafon ellablithed to authotife the Hoare in making fuch an alteration in an ellablithed regulation of the army, under which it had flourillted for many years. He thought there was a deal of good fence in a letter to which his Right Hon, Friend (Mr. Windham) had referred, which ob ferved that, though the mancsuires which it is necef fary for a foldier to be 'killed in are eafily learned. the adaptation of the mind to a ready obedience of every order, a cheerful endurance of every bardfhip and an inviolable attachment to his fuperiors, toted the moll material parts of i folder's charafter and was the moll difficult to be obtained. The na tural tendency of the chitties now propofed woult have a tendency to difunite the foldier from the of • ter, as be would then think hitnfelf more independeil of him, and the examination of the witnelies op oath as to the fubjea of inferior crime*, would be an ob Bade in the way of afcertaining the truth ; as the] would frequently be apt to fay that'they though they could not pofitiv* fwear. There - dig not appear to be any prafticar neceffity for the mei fore, and be fbould vote againfi it. Lord: TEMPLE was Anteilling to give his afien • to the multiplication of oaths. efpecially when tho . party who was guilty of fuch a crime was no liable to any puniffasent for the breach of his oath A General Court Martial was a Court of Record, tb witnelfes were (worn, and were liable to be profecutet for perjury if they (wore fare, A Regimental Corr • Martial was not a Court of Record, and could not therefore, with propriety. be affimilated to that wheel was one. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUEP agreed with the gallant Officer. that 'there was nt radical neceffity for the meafure which was nos propofed I but as the fubjeft had been brought for ward to be dircuffed, he mull fay that he fincerel; approved of the meafure. It was the more genernu of the Hoare to grant fo much in favour of - the Ar it my without being sliced to do fo, or even bearing murmur on the rubjea. With refpee to the evafito of witoeffes on account of the folemnity of an oath drat would ;end to Ascher the foldier agaipft the fri volous complaints of inhabitants who might be read; to (late their charges unattetted, but would be ap to be more cautious of bringing fuels charges ageinl the men, when they knew drat they would have tt atteft them upon oath. Lord DE BLAQUIERE raid, that the knows r tion was made by Regimental Courts Martial beint • fit &red to tread upon the heels of the general court' : However, he thought it would be a mockery of th folernnity of their proceedings to have an oath ad sninalered for the examination .of every charge of petty nature. Colonel )'RANKI.AND ofiferved, that it mirth ? .L aloof as rearonabiy expeAed that a fchool 1 trailer thoold be (warn to juilice at every thin that theta was a breath of order among his (the