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, PARLIAMENTARY PROCEEDINGS. HOUSE OF LORDS, MARCH 15. The Earls of Thm . and Comes took the oaths and their seats. The Earl of SHAFTF.SBURY presented a Petition fzemthe Parishes of St. George the Martyr, and St. Andrew's, Holborn, against the continuance of the Insolvent Debtors' Bill, in its present shape. On the motion of Earl WHITWORTH, a Message was or dered to be sent to the Commons, requesting communication of Copies of the Reports of their Committees, on the Affairs of the Bank. The further consideration of Trelawney's Divorce Bill, which stood for this day, was adjourned till Wednesday. The Aliens' and Denizens' Bill was brought up from the Com m ors by Mr. Blooziza and others, and read the first time. The Duke of NORTHUMBERLAND presented a Petition, from a number of Attomies of the Towns of North and South Shields, against the admission of Persons to practise as &not aries, without being duly qualified, &c. His Grace also pre. witted a Petition from the Merchants, Manufacturers, and others, of the Town and Port of Newcastle-upon. Tyne, against any alteration in the present Coal Duties: and for leave, if any such measure should come before their Lordships, to be heard by their Counsel against the same. Earl FORTESCUE presented a Petition from the Borough o! Plymouth, praying for a revision of the Penal Code• On the motion of the Earl of LAUDERDALE, the Cutlery, Trade Regulation Bill was read the third time an 3 passed. Earl FITZWILLIAM presented a Petition from Donewter and the town of Kingston upon null, both praying for a revision of the Penal Laws. The Marquis of LANSDOWNE presented a Petition from the Debtors confined in the Fleet Prison; praying for the coa ti:•uance of the Insolvent Debtors' Act; or at least, that no al teration may be made therein without further inquiry, &c• The Noble Marquis also presented a Petition froni•tbe Bo- rough of Sudbury, in Suffolk, praying for a revision of the Penal Code—Tle abovo.mentioned Petitions were severally ordered to lie on the table. CLIMBING BOYS ABOLITION BILL. Lord AUCKLAND rose, pursuant to his notice, and moved the commitment of this Bill. After. what had been urged in the former discussion of this measure, his Lordship said he felt it quite Unneces sary to detain the House with any additional argu ment upon the subject. He could not avoid observ ing, that the general result of experiments which had been made, was decidedly in favour of the measure; and he adverted to what took place at a meeting of th parish of Christchurch, in Surrey.. The inhahi talcs of this parish met to petition against the Bill. In the course of the proceedings it was suggested that it would be proper, in the first place, to try how far it vas practicable to sweep chimnies by machinery. A machine was produced, and experiments made; and the result was so satisthctory that the very persons 'ho asscmbled for the purpose of petitioning against the bill, actually signed a petition for it. The Noble Lord also adverted to experiments which were re cently made in the buildings connected with the House of Commons, where, in consequence of the directions of the Speaker, a person had proceeded to sweep with a machine, and could only sweep nine teen chimnies out of sixty-one. The Housekeeper was, however, determined to continue the experi ment, and under his superintendeace no less than 60, out of the 61 were swept. The chimney that re mained uuswept required some alteration to render it ;accessible to the machine. His Lordship then moved, " That the Ilouse do now resolve itself into a Com mittee on the Bill." The 1 a 3 of LAUDERDALE, though willing to acknowledge the ability of the Noble Earl's speech. which the Noble Lord who had just sat down re- • garded as rendering any further argumeet unneces sary, yet hnist coetess, that that speech had not pre dueed the same impression on his mind. He recol lected that the Noble Lord had observed, that no petition from public bodies had been presented against the bill, and that he laid partkular stress on none having been offered on the part of the Insurance Of f ices. For his part, he could nut help taking a very different view of the subject. lie WAS always disposed to girt public bodies, as well as individuals, credit for acting with a due regard to their own interests. Now if theje Lordships looked at the case on this principle, thersvonld soon discover, that the insurance offices would have t eason to be well pleased at the passing of this bill. It would )ncrease the danger of fire, and in proportion to the. risk, the rate of the insurance and the number of insurances would augment. In fact, the bill promised to open to them a new and fruitful source of g ain. It was absurd, therefore, to found any argumect on these corpora tions not petitioning against it. The supporters of the bill contended, that the chimnies of the metropo lis could be all, or nearly all, swept by machines.— Now, were this the fact, he would at once with draw his opposition—but if the report of the Sar• veyer-Gereral was to be relied upon, and their Lord ships could ceiteinly hare no better authority tan the opinion of so intelligent a man as Colonel Ste phenion, no such power was to be aoxibuted to the machines. Colonel Stephenson had distinctly stated, am the total abolition of Climbing B .sys was at pre sent impracticable, and could not be attempted without endangering the general safety of the metro polis. But it will be replied, that it is not intended that the bill shall operate immedi ttely : that in 'sas sing it, time will be afforded for the preparation of machinery ; but Colonel Stephenson s report con- tained satisfactory reason for refusing to pass a pros pective bill for such an object. It was stated in the Report, that no machine had yet been invented which was capable of cornple:ely supplying the place of Climbing Boys. When such a machine should be invented he wvild be ready to support a bill like the present; but until he saw such an invention he would oppose every measure of the kind. It had occurred' with regard to this bill, as in many other cases, that mankind where carried away by ideas of humanity, which prevented them from giving due consideration to the subject. They took a partial view 61 the evil they wished to cure, and did not look at the relation in which it stands to the general state of society.— Hence they were not aware of the extent of the mis chief their remedy would produce. The merits of the present bill might, perhaps, be illustrated by a story which he would take the liberty of telling their • , Lordships, though he was himself the subject of it. The Physician who had attended him in his late ness, had.prescribed large doses of calomel, so much indeed, that he thought it necessary to ask him the reason of such prescriptions. " Oh I . (said the Phy sicia4l can easily prove to you the advantage of my prac tice. The calomel is like the Climbing Boys, I t *what's way into every corner and cranny of the frame; and sweeps every deleterious particle clean out t was the other sort of medicines resemble t h e i nac hibis i and accordingly do the business very imper f ect ly. They do not follow all angles and turnings, but pass over many iniportant parts un• touched, and leave heaps of matter, which after tervrards kindle into mischief."-.(Lond laughter.)-1. It this story bad any effect in explaining the policy ' ! of the measure, he might relate another, which per haps would serve to render its humanity more intel ligible. In some parts of Ireland it had been the practice,. instead of employing Climbing' Boys, to tie a rope round the neck'of a goose, and thus drag the bird pp the chimney,which was cleanedly:the Rut tering of its wings. This practice so much interested the feelings of many who for the sake of the goose were ready to give up hum 40%4 towards other animals. A man in a country village having one day, accord ing to the old custom, availed himself of .the aid of ' a goose, was accased brhis neighbour of inhuma nity.. In answer to the remonstrances of his accu ser, he observed that he must have his chimney swept. " Yes, (replied the humane friend of the goose),, to be sure you must. sweep your. chimney ; but you crusl Gail you, why don't you take two ducks, they will do the job - as well ?"—(Lastghter)-- The zealots for this Bill, had, in their blind eager ness to relieve a partial suffering, as completely for gotten the general interests of society, as had the poor Irishman disregarding the , ducks in his ankiety to save the geese. He certainly should be happy to see the use of climbing boys , totally abolished ; but if a machine can be i ,vented to sweep chimnies, that invention could not be promoted, by this Bill. He must, therefore, op ,ose it altogether; and therefore moved as an amend nest, that instead of now, the Bill be committed t lis day six months. The Earl of }IA ItHOWISY was not , able to en tertain their Lordelips with any jokes, either vela- Jive to himself, o: extracted from Joe Miller, but he believed very little was neeetsary to be said to induce them to support a measure founded in huma nity, and which they had reason to conclude was perfectly practicable. He .could. not, however, 're frain from observing, that the Noble Earl had in some measure shifted the ground of'his opposition to the Bill. lie now dwelt solely on the danger which, might be incurred in the Metropolis were sweeping boys abolished. What then had become of those general principles respecting free labour, on which the Noble Earl had formerly's° .strongly insisted? Of those principles the Noble Lord now said no thing. The best argument . for the Bill was, that it would afford time and opportunity for making the arrangements necessary to the abolition of climbing boys. A sufficient time was allowed for experi meats, and if the Bill passed, every person, in anti cipating the abolition of the present inhuman prac tice, would be induced to try the machines. If he saw any danger to the Metropolis from the measure, he should he a unwilling to support it as any Noble Lord ; brughe could perceive no ground for any such apprehensllm. He thought, however, that unless the Bill passed, the experiment would never he fairly !nide and on that grouni he vrpported the Motion for going immediately into the Committee. ' Their Lordships divided on the question that the Bill be now committed—Contents, 20—Non-con ' tents, 37—Majority, 17. Lord LA VD Ert DA Les Amendment was then Put and carried, and thus the Bill is lost.—Adjourned. . _~_ HOUSE or commoNs. The !lon. L. DZYNDAS apnea:ed at the Bar, and reported to the !Louie, that the Committee appointed to inquire into the Petition against this Election had decided, that It. C. Barton, Esq. was duly elected ; and that the Atition ug.i.:st his return was not frivolous or vesatious.—Tint lteporr WA) ord.. rid to lie or the table. Dr. PHI LLI:11011F. appeared at the Par, and reported from the Committee appointed to examine the Return for the Borough of Reading, that du:) , met on Saturday at ten in the morning, at which time Mr. William Parnell, one of their Members, did not attend. They waited for an hour, and adjourned over till this day, when Mr. Parnell attended, and static!, that in con sequence of the Committee not haying met till our o'clock on Friday, he imagined they world not meet till the same hour on Saturday, and that he came before that hour, but fouud that the Committee had adjourned. Mr. Psnis&a.t. wa; now called, and having appeared in his place, stated the cause of his absence in neatly the same words as the Learned Gentleman who precedad ions ; he added, that he had no intention of absenting himself, and hoped the house wou!d excuse him. Lord FITZIIARILLS and Dr. ryttr.riroxii bull bore testimony to the attention of Mr. Parnell iu the Committee, and expressed their conviction that his als:ence was solely owing to mistake. ' Dr. PM LLB] ()BE then moved, that Mr. Parnell he ex cured, which was put and carried; after which he was called to the table, and re.6wrirr. _ _ .Mr. GOOCH appeared at the liar, and reported from the Connttittee on the Rochester Election, that Lord Binning (one of the sitting Members) was duly elected, and that the Petition of Maier Tanen' was frivolous and vexatious: The cifect of this put of the detision is, that the Petitioner will have to pay .:11 the costs. Alderman WAT rifiVrA N brme.t in a Bill for the more recovery of small debts it:, It was read a first time, :u•d ordered t,, 1 printed. LETTLE . I.):\ presented three Petitions front scveral Pari , he3 :n the County of Stafford, against any alteratiJu in the Coal I)utie4.—ltea,i, and ordered to lie on the table. Mr. S. NVORTLEY presented several Petitions against am alteration in the Tax on Coals :--ene from Whitby. one from Sheffield, and from several Inhabitants of Yorkshire.—They were severally read, and ordered to lie on the table. Sr. J. GRAHAM presented a Petition from the Merchants, Ship OWIIIIII, Ship Masters, and others of Carlisle, praying that a Basin or Harbour might he constructed . in the Isle of Mar, for the purpose of facilitating the Navigation of the Irish Channel. Mr. CCRWEN said that the object of this Petition was of great importance.—Read, and ordered to lie on the table. Sir 3. GRAHAM presented two other Petitions ; ono from the Pariih of St. Luke, Chelsea, against the renewal of the Insol vent Debtors' Bill ; the other from the Parish of.Mary-la-bonne, for au alteration in the Poor Lawn—Ordered to lie on the table. 4 • Mr. G. LAMB presented a Petition from the Parish of St. Paul, Covent garden, against the renewal of the Insolvent Debtors' Act. Lord ROBERT MANNERS presented .a Petition to the same effect from Hinckley. Mr. CURWEN presented several Petitions from various parts of the 'County of Cumberland, against any alteration in the Du ties on Coals.—Read, and ordered to lie on the table. Mr. COURTRNAY presented a Petition from the Mayor! and Corporation of the City of Exeter, praying for the Equali zation of this Coal Duties. Ile insisted on the justice of the prayer of the Petition, and said it mentioned some facts which he thought ought to go far towards inducing the House to adopt some measure for equalizing the duties. Mr. HOLME SUMNER did not intend to raise any discus sion upon this subject at present, but wished to state, as he knew there were many persons anxious about a measure which he in tended to introduee'respeeting it, and several persons were wait- ing in town for that purpose, that be would not bring forward that motion until early after the Easter holidays. The Petition [was read, and ordered to lie on the table. A Message was bee& down from the House of Lords, re-' questing a communication of the blimmes ci the Ant and second Reports of the Committee of last &sift on the State of Pe- SODS ; as also the Report of the Committee as to the eapediesicy of relieving the Royal Duvets of part of the expense of building. Prisons; to which the SPUME& said, that the House would send In answer. Mr. DICKINSON presented a Petition tram the County of Somerset, praying that the Poor Laws relight not be altered. Mr. BENNET mond, that the Plenum of whatbad occur red before the Comilla* appointed to decide on the Rochester Election should be printed. , WINDSOR lISTARLISHMENT. Lord CASTLEREAGH moved the Order of the Day. that shkHouse resolve ltielf into a Committee on the Royal House bog Bill. He said that he did this in order to postpone the consideration of it. The House accordingly revolved itself into a Committee; after which the adjournment of the question was moved till to- MOTTO,. Sir ALEXANDER HOPE, also put off his Motion about the King's Equerries tiU the same time. Mr. TIERNEY whiled to know the nature of the Honour able Gentleman's Motion. Sir ALEXANDER HOPE replied, that he should move that the Report of the Committee be taken into consideration, and should direct the attention of the House to that part of it which proposed the reduction of the number of Equerries from six to four. MR. T. W. GRADY. Sir ROBERT WILSON obsevved, that he had a Petition to present from Mr. Grady, jun. which he should not weaken by any representations of his own. It stated, that in a moment of irritation he had in considerately addressed a witness, who had been ex amined at the Bar of that llouse, in language which was improper whilst it was a violation of the ptivi leges of that House: Deeply impressed with a sense of - his error and its injurious consequences, he would not only refrain from a repetition of it during the time these proceedis lasted, but would solemnly promise to abstain from all schemes of future ven geance, being determined to leave his character to the judicial result of the present investigation; and being convinced that his personal honour nonld never be impeached whilst he was acting in unison with the'Orders of the Ilouse.—After moving that this Petition be laid on the table, Sir ROBERT WILSON also moved, that Mr. T. W. Grady be brought to the Bar of the House; repri manded by the Speaker, and then discharged on pay ment of his fees. Mr. T. W. Grady was in consequence brought into the House, in the custody of the Scrjeant •at Arms, and placed at the Bar of the House. A ph. The SPEAKER then addressed him as follows : " 'f. W. Grady—The using insulting language to a witness in consequence of evidence which he has givon or may give at the Bar of this House, is a contempt of its authority, and a breach of its priviley,es, which never has been and never will be tole rated. In your Petition you acknowledge your guilt, and your deep contrition : you p'ead irritation, am+, for these cattse<, the forgetfulness of what was due to this House and to yourself. All these circumstances, added to your extreme youth, have ob tained for you the indulgence and forgiveness of this House. But let me warn you, that this House will not be trifled with, anti that a repetition-of this oufrage, either during the progress of these proceedings, or of any thing arising out of them, Will be a breach of privilege that will he prosecuted with the utmost ri gour and severity. Ism directed to inform you, that y ou are discharged on the payment of your fees." It being moved that this reprimand should be en tered on the Journals, the SPEAKER. put the ques tion, and it was critc:rcd accordingly. • COMPLAINT ACAINST MR. WYNDHAM QVIN. Sir ROBERT WILSON moved the order of the day for continuing the investigation on this subject, when, in consequence of an explanation given by Mr. W. Quin, relative to a discordance between the testi mony of Mr. Gould and Mr. Carew Smith, by which it appeared that Mr. Quin confirnied the assertion of Mr. C. Smith, and negatived that of Mr. Gould, as to an interview oh the morning of the 22d September, . Mr. LAMB fON moved the discharge of certain orders for the attendance of additional witnesses from Ireland. The SPLAKIII le:tv,ing that Mr. Quin ad mitted the correctness of Mr. C. Smith's statement, • and consequently that no further evidence would probably be necessary upon that point, had delayed, the issue and transmission of the summonses. Mr. Gt,lthl was cailed in to explain a part of his testimony of Fraley night; after which Mr. T. W. Grady, the petitioner, was examined at great length.—Mr. Roach was then examined; aAvr which, Sir ROBERT WILSON moved that the minutes of evidence taken that day be printed along with the rest. As he did not think that this could be in the hands of Members before the beginning of next week, he should move that the further consideration of the petition be adjourned to Thursday se'nnight. This was put and carried. MUTINY BILL. On the motion of Lord PALYEitsrox, that this Bill be read a third time, Mr. 11..GURNEi" said, he could not let this op portunity pass, without objecting to that part of the Bill which sanctioned enlistments for life. It was a principle productive of the very worst consequences, as it necessarily rendered many soldiers who had so entered discontented with their situation. The late Mr. Wyndham had been hostile to the principle, and had rather substitute for it a term of years fur the soldier's servitude. In his opinion it was a mast serious griev ance, that a boy of 17 years old. who could not sell a horse, should be allowed to sell himself for life. He should therefore move, that schedule B be left out, and the form o& the oath. Lord PALNIERSTON felt himself called upon to resist the Honourable Gentleman's amendment. The matter had been long before the House; enlistment for life was not compulsory, and no great inducement was held out for it, as the Huse would judge, there being only sixteen shillings difference in the bounty for that and limited service. Sir R. WlLSON . regretted that he had not before the House on this occasion some Returns, which it was his intention to move for. He was anxious that some further alterations should take place in the prac tice of the Army on the subject of Corporal Punish ments. A great change, he would admit, had already been effected in the system, by the anxious and most praiseworthy exertions of the present Commander in-Chief. He had introduced that great and salutary lenity which had already been productive of such good effects. But the success which attended this measure, ought to be a reason why the House should go further with the matter, and earnestly endeavour Ito hare it done away with altogether, except in miti palm of the punishment of death. He would put ' rt to the experience of every Military Officer in the House, whether, in a corps under the orders of a Commander who resorted to severe measures, crime did not increase in proportion as that severity was exercised ; and, on the other hand, whether the same corps had not become improved in its conduct ac cording as mild and gentle measures were resorted 'to? He would mention one instance of an illustri ous perionage (the Duke of Gloucester), who had set the example, by the adoption of mild regulations ; and with su ch success, that the same corps, in which rit had been found necessary to -resort - frequently to corporal punishments before, had afterwards become an example to the army by the propriety of its con duct. It was, he could s ay, the same in all cases, where the same salutary change of system h a d b ee resorted to. He would not go further into the n ut . ter at present. Ile thought the House must fc4 that something should be done to abolish a which was disgraceful to the country, which tas u 7, manly in its nature, and he would add, uil-tonh sh in its character; for he believed it was not a ; ;u. tice known to us until the instance of tire rj, 4 Guards. The Honourable Member concll:Jed 'stating, that in a short time he should move !ts turns of the numbers of Courts-Martial %%11ch been held, and their results. Mr. BEcKErr said, that when returns had laid before the House of the numbers of C oq ; 'Martial, not for one or two years, but for a ce a . and a half, and that it had still coutinued to sar t: ' corporal punishment, he thought that matter 60 , be considered as res judicata ; he was, therefore, prised at hearing such opinions as those wh:chl,: fallen from the Honourable and Gallant Offr ez RobertWilsoni. The Hormuralle and Gall.r::;, ; :;, was, however consistent in his opini ons , to.- . years ago he lf d given to the Public his length upon the same subject. The gloriour triarn i % ! of our armies on the Continent were in agreAts!.;;l4l owing to the ex.ellence of their discipline, and a p of that discipline was the system of car ral ment. Would it then be said that this system be altogether abolished? But it might be urged the same strictness in this respect, which would i k necessary in time of war, ,could net be regeir:.j. time of peace. In answer to this, it might na. b ! „ useful to the House to look back to the.progres,o punishments for the years 1817 and 181 S. In ex. two years, though the capital punisheneats had creased, yet the substituted punishnivits 'rad iiicrow: considerably, which of course must shes an of crime. Sir JOHN NEWPORT hope, for the care' of the I louse with the country, that they weuldm. put their sanction upon the proposition that it was: corporal punishments we were indebted for thosegt riots% triumphs which had been erected by thy soldiery.—(Loud cheering.) He confessed it w.ail sink that gallant body of men greatly in his esti tion, if he thought that that awe which was proac by the fear of corporal punishment was the grcu • work of their discipline. So long as he should be : lowed to raise his vcice in that llouie, he would nee cease to deprecate the continuance of corporal p. nishments, 'until 'more satisfactory reasons had adduced to convince hint of their expo-limey. Sir LOWRY COLE was unwilling to hum& hi, self upon the attention of the How.e, but, from share of experience he had had, he test it ineum upon him not to be silent on this subject.—Vimr. He should avow his opinion frankly, though th might be an unpopular oae; (Hever, Aear,) and it w that though he v:as unfriendly to the principled or poral punishment, which he thought injurious, st 4 he was convinced that the At my N.:mild not have ar, rived at its present state of disciplile, if it had no been for the use of corporal punishments.—The Bil was then passed. Sir ISAAC COFFIN spoke against the practice 6 Courts-Martial, to whose proceedings the same pLh• licity was not given, that was usual with those of Cm Navy, He likewise objected to the mode of submit. ting the sentence to the Commander-in-Chid, whit** he thought, should be executed at once. CONSOLIDATED FEND PRODUC, The CHANCELLOR of the EXCIIF.QUER second reading of this MI. Mr. OR ENFELL suggeitLd, that at such a late hour, 10.1.1 many Members Were exhausted, from an attfrtslance on Co minces, it would be improper to urge any mature likt create discussion. The Bill was, however, read a sector d time, projeinn, the understanding that the discussion fihould take place •'. next stage of the till.—Ordered to be coinmitted to-Mortv.r. TRIAL BY BATTLq ABOLITION BILL. The ATTORNEY-GENERAL postponed the considert:nt of the Report on this subject till Wednesday next SCOTCH BURUHs. Mr. ABETICROMBY said that he had a P , titiin to p-rte`t from the Gnildry of Edinburgh, which pra:-..d fora Itefn:ri ..1 the present Constitution of Scotch Burghs. Ile should not :.:. t• said any thing on that question previ o usly to his bringing on to own motion , had it not been for the numercus signatnre. vin ' were attached to the Petition which he had to present, fee t'.e conspicuoua statement which the Petitioners made in it of tt.t 'evils under which they laboured, and for the firm and must : tional manner in which they expressed :heir hopes of obtairing redress from the justice of Parliament. They complained of the self-election of the Members of the different Corporatica.s,whi:i was an evil that the House ought immediately to remedy; inis much as, by the law of Scotland, all the Burgesses were ropes sible for the debts contracted by a Magistracy, of whizh dul did not elect a single member. This was a serious barJJi'P. because many Boroughs had funds, which were only just tquai to their expenditure, and others had an expeneitur: greater tam their funds. The Petitioners had been accused of favourinj wad and visionary schemes of reform ; they stated that this &teen tion was false and that it was known to be so by those '' urged it. They also added, thit if they had been the disloyal subjects which they had been asserted to be, they could nat have wished for any thing better than to foment the irritation which prevailed. The Government never had an easier opportunity of conciliating a large number of its subjects by the mere exer cise of common sense and common justice than it had on the present occasion. All the Petitioners asked for was a re.ief frem their present grievances; they were, however, of ori&on, that the Bill which the Lord Advocate had Introduced on the sub ject, was more calculated to aggravate than to relieve their ir• ' juries. He should have thought that the knowledge of all these grounds of complaint would have made the i llinistry bring fir ward a well-disested plan to remove them. They bad not ibtze so; and by failing to do so, had been deficient in duty to the country. He supposed that the Executive would in this cud attempt, as it had done in many others, to throw All the respon sibility on the Legislature. , After a few observations from Lord A. Mamma:, the Pet;- don was laid on the table. Lord A. HAMILTON presented two Petitions from towns In Scotland, praying for a Reform in the Scotch Burgts. ntAmE-WORK KNITTERS. ."Mr. MANSFIELD moved' for the appointment cf, a Mmosittee to inquire into the grievances complained of ,! • Frame-stork-knitters of Leicestershire, and to report upon sante.----Mr. PARES seconded the Motion. Mr. HUME expressed his surprise that the I,hject whi . Honourable Mover had in view had not hem distincti to the House. Though be did not intend to oppoae th . t.• 13 into a Committee, he thought that the granting of it would I , ' spreading a delusion among the Petitioners, as they wou!il e pect results from it which it would be impossible to realize. A' new Musses observed, that the Honourable Geuticolo who hid spoken last had brought forward an objection which it would have been better to have deferred till they had rt, i=ts the Comrtittee. The state of distress was so great arttnrE the petitioners, that unless some relief was granted them by Parli.h anent, effecu would ensue which the House would have orii• don to deplore. Ills Majesty's Ministers ought long sirce to have granted assistance to these poor people--if they word , : nG l i it was the duty of these who represented them in Parliania tj use their influence to obtain it for them. Mr. MANSFELD said, that if he had refrained from p: 3 ';': Eng the great distress which prevailed among the petitiomo..i; had dome it because be did not wish to trespass long upon • patienee of the House In the exhausted state in which it ill wad. He would only say, tipt tlic misery was such, that it 0- -