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AMENTART PROCEEDINGS. OF LORDS, FRIDAY, MARCH r. ... Malt was given by Canal/Bon to the Loynky Greenland Whale May Bilis, and one Privite BUL—. iilSoners were, tie Lord Chancellor, and Lards Auckland. ae Quarantine Regulation Bill was read a third doe, and paled.—Adjoarned. HOUSE OF COMMONS. pretested front do Csepesetka et the Cky of , for have to have a 11111 eist for regokting e In the Menropods.--Or&r4 to be referred to examine the nutter thereof, and report their opinion Istin brought op the Report of the Committee of the Lord Provoft and Town Council of the trgh.—The Hoare ordered, that leave be given to w the better Regales/en of the Peace of b, prayer of the fad Petition. given to being in a BM for autharifing the For , ssd building of Bridges's the Highlands of Scot .4l was thou brought in, read a ferft sad ordered to be time. • the Deputy Whir of the Black Rod, informed A he was astberifed by virtue of his Majefty's . &fire the immediate attendance of this Houk in Peers, for the purpok of hearing the Royal Mast by *en to 'semipublic and private Bills. Honaurahle the SPEAILIM. aixaded by formal eenehersomserdingly proceeded to the Upper Hook. the St sea lofermedibe Houle that they heard glean by Cessedion to the Loyaky Loon Whale Mori NIL and fevered private Bills. 1011132 prelisted a Petition from the Magiftrates . preying ter have to have a Pill introduced to the ,e emending the R=at e above-motioned cci to be referred to a was delivered teamthe Leeds, informing this Houle Mdse was had agreed to the Quarantine Bill. without mdment. and tbstlhey had patrol two Nateralisatioo Bills, they leered the aoncunen.e of this Hoefe. onto° pretested a Patties from the Weft lndla Dock Cerpany. praying for Pertisinstsfary aitL—Ordered to be refer - • Committee. brought up the limerick and Cork Road Bill, Mt, and ordered to be read a fazed time. _t. prdateda Petition from certain Retail Dialed in dwaiomkrry, praying for the redo Rion of the Duty to imparted byßetall Dealers are liable..—Ordered to prefaced a Petition from Mr. Robert Eyre, praying • interpok ht authority to obt:in him a ampen value of a Dutch Prize, which the Petitioner fup t otherwife obtain.—Ordered to fie co the Table. rr moved,That the Speaker do grant kid Warrant f a net Writ fora Burgefs to ferve in Parliament Of Halton, in the County of Devon, is the room Flq. dgetafed.—Ordered. ..issofe 'Mewed, That a Return be perfected of the Recruits that have been railed for Me Majefty'a knits January, Me. to the tft of February, dos. dif number that have been railed within each month.— oar at Waft then brought up the AeecOnt,and it be laid oo the Table, aod to be primed fur the ufe of this Hoof& FITZGERALD moved, That the Papers relative sod Public Revenue of Ireland, of which be bad yelterday.be prtfuned to the Heats.—Ordered. MUTINY SILL. , on the motion of the SECRETARY ,ent into a Committee on the Mutiny new claufes were added. and among prevent mailers from having the power apprentices oat of the army after they obferved, that this appeared to him a mary eatenfion of power ; but, if the wired it, as he fuppofed it did, he should to the chute bcing added to the Bill. FlTZPATRlCKremindedthe Right Hon. • at War of the additional regulations of fpoken laR night. He was well con ; peat advantage which would refult adoption of the hints which he had thrown therefore preffed it on the notice of the onnurable Gentleman. .RETARY at WAR entirely coincided Ilaat Officer, and allured him, that the which he had alluded thould be intro diure Rage of the Bill, with the permit Haute. is then pared through the Committee, :red to be reported on Monday next. 1(111111511011OUGH. .LIAM RUSSELL reported from the the Knaretborough Petition, that the not frivolous or vexatious ; and that violence of the perfons complained of in eleaion for a• Burgefs to reprefent the 4h could not be entered on. On the mo. (able Lord, the confederation of the Re ,pninted for Tuefday fe'nnight. %LIAM RUSSELL withed the Houle . fortnight, Miring the writ for a Mem (Or Knal•elborough. He founded his with ircumfianees difclofed by the Counfel ton, and indeed on the fuggeflions of the The Counfel for the Petition had al- Committee, that the Came fpirit of violence infomuch that they believed the eke __ .. again be as violently and fatally inter before, wilds tome meafures were taken by ACELLOR of the EXCHEQUER ob• the Committee had given no lira Realm its report ; and doubted whether the be jullifiable in withholding the imme the writ from the circumflances Rated. preventive mature ; nor any local re propoled by the Noble Lot d. 'II.I.IAM RUSSELL (aid, that he had meafore to propofe. He fuggeiled de ice he thought that probably the parties the mean time, fo dealt with by the an example to others. concurred in opinion with the Chan .xchequer, although, undoubtedly, the td recommended to the Noble Lord to I-joule the circumßances mentioned LIAM RUSSELL, teeing that the tilpolail to entertain his motion, with- SALT TAX. ISSON moved, that the Salt Doty Bill lion being put from the Chair, USSELL declared, that he thought of fuch a'heavyTax upon an article of neselfity as Salt, was one of the molt cures that conld be introduced into that poor would be fo materially affefted by ild be fuch a burthen on many improve. 'ye been lately made in chymißry, and Aim of it to agricultural purpofcs t that he felt it Ms as to declare, that he would oppofe it: in every future Rage. The pal was then read a Ertl time, and oedemata be read a feeond time on Monday next. • HOlaa TAR. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUEIit iar formed the Houk, that, upon looking into the Bin fur levying a ditty upon Horfes, it was found that it would be impoffible to divide it. as he had propofed doing on a fcrmer night. The body of the Bill con tained nothing but matter of regulation which might apply, generally, to the collection of the dnty on any defcription of hones. Thr amount of the Tax was afterwards fpecified in a Schedule. He ihould, there. fore, move that the Duty upon Agricultural Horfes be expunged kpro the Schedule. as that appeared to be the exceptionable part ; and he would afterwards bring in a feparate Bill for the levying of that Tax. The Bill, as far as it relates to the Tax upon all other ,Hooks but thofe employed in purples of huibandry, was then paired through a Committ ee o f t h e whole Knufe, and the report was ordered to be received on Monday next. CALICO PUNTERS. Mr. P. MOORE prefented a petition from the journeymen calico printers of Lancafbire, Chefhire, Derby&ire, Cumberland, Lanark, Renfrew, and 1 other counties in England and Scotland, complain ing of certain grierancei to which they are fubjee in confecptence of the condua of their employers. The Honourable Member hated that it was not his obit& at prefent to prop o f e t h at t h e pet i t i on fh ou l d be referred to a Committee, but merely that it fhould lie on the table. It was indeed his hope and wifb that the mailers fhould agree, to an amicable adjuft ment of their differences with the petitioners. An Honourable Friend of his (Mr. Sheridan) had, in the courfe of the IA Selfions, called the attention of the Httofe to this fubjea, and at that time expreffed the fame hope which he entertained at prefent. though that hope of his Honourable Friend had not yet been gratified, ftill it was his with, and that of the petitioners, to leave a further opening for fuch a let dement as might render any further proceeding upon this petition unneceffAry. This he felt to be extreme ly defirable, and the petitioners felt it alfo ; for no. thing could be further from their with than to profe cute any litigious difeufllon with the matters. If the matters would meet them with a congenial fpirit, the matters to which the petition referred might, he was fatisfied, be very tartly fettled in a friendly manner. Should no fuch fettlement take place, he pledged himfelt adively to profecute the object of the peti tion. Mr. SHERIDAN Paid thatte was well acquaint-I ed with the nature of the cafe to which the petition prefented by his Honourable Friend referred. It was a cafe of the higheß importance to jußice, and the intereft of the petitioners, who were moll feverely aggrieved. He had thought it his duty to call the attention of the Houle to this fubjeet in the eourfe of laR Seffions, and he was very lorry to End that the amicable adjuament of the difputes between the journeymen and the mailers, which he then looked for, had not taken place. To attain the fair ()Ned of the petitioners, he pledged himfelf to ufe his et-1 moft endeavours, and from the knowledge he had of their cafe, he could allure the Houfe that it was on the (core of juffice, humanity, and national policy, well worthy their ferious conSderation. ..... . The petition was ordered to lie on the table for the perufal of the Members. THI COMMISSIONM 01 NAVA'. moat. Mr. GILES rote, purfuant to notice, to move for leave to bring in a biU to continue the powers of the above Board. Some Gentlemen might be fur. priced at teeing him bring in a bill for the continu ance of an At, which had been originally brought into that Houfe by his Majegy's confidential fer vants ; Members of the late adminiftration they doubtlefs were, but many of them now held feats in his Majelly's Councils. This point would be belt explained, he thought, by entering into a defcription of the proceedings under the authority of the At which is now in exigence, from its commencement to the prefent period ; this, however, he would do in as few wads as paffible. On the 29th of December, Igoe, an at was patted appointing Commigiontrs to inquire into the abufes in the yarrow departments of the navy. They have now continued their labours for upwards of the (pace of two years with the moil perfevering induftry, the utmog ability that can be difplayed ins labour of that defcription, and the molt inflexible integrity. During this time the Commit: (loners made feveral reports which are now upon the table of the Houfe. But gill there are many other objets to which it is of the utmoft importance that this Board mould turn its attention ; and the Filmic will recoiled that the duration of the law by which they are appointed, is limited to the term of two years, and to the end of the next Sefton of Parliament. From the circumflance of this Sefton having com menced in 'January, 1805, it has become the next Se (ion according to the meaning, of do At. Th e power of the Commiffioners wilf therefore end with the termination of this Sefton, which leaves the ex igence of the Board at the difcretion of the Crown, or in other words, it would be fubjeEt.to the caprice of the Minitier. As the inquiries yet to be made by the Board were of the greateg importance to the public, he did not think it right that the exigence of the Board thould depend upon fuch an uncertain tenure. The Miniger might come down to the Houfe and pro rogue the Parliament ; if this prorogation were to ex tend but to a tingle day, these would be an end to all the labours of this highly valuable Board ; there would be an end to all further inquiry into the fob jeft of abufes, which have too long been fuffered to esig, and which are even now continuing. He did not mean to fay that this pofigively would be the cafe ; nor would he go the length of faying, that fuch an event was even likely to take place ; but he thought it incumbent on him to endeavour to prevent all poffibility of filch an occurrence, by requeging the Houfe to exercife its powers and renew the Aft.— The Commiffioners, he thought, ought not to be left in that gate of uncertainty in which they now are placed ; for, though the adoption of fuch a meafore as he had alluded to was not certainly to be expeded, and though the meafure would be in itfelf a bold one, and the condo& of the Miniger would not be fo dif refpelltul to Parliament as it ought to be, yet, when he confidered the nature of the late change in Admi. nitration, he could not help ohferving, that if it had not received any additional vigour, it had gained , confiderably in bolcincfs--he did not think that it was 'likely to be t refpe&fol to the Hon& as dictate Ad- Miniaration would have been in a meafure of fimilar isometanee. He was induced to form tl.i s opinion. on ,having feen the manner in which a confiderabl e of his Majefty's fithjeets had been lately de vil of their liberty. When heftier the precipitancy . which the Aft for fufpending the Habeas Cor pus in Ireland was paffed through that Houfe s when be obferved that the meafure was fo hurried in the other Houfe that they adjourned for a few hours on purpofe that they might receive the Bill, and then fufpended tome of their own regulations for the fake of forwarding the meafure ; when he faw that even then the meafure, if at all neceffary, was agreed to at fo late a period that the Ad could not poffibly ar rive in time at Ireland to aothorife the Judges to a& upon it before the expiration of the former Ad— when ke raw the manner in which the Royal Com miflion was iffued without any application being made to that Hoof; he could not entertain a very high opinion of the Minitter's refpeet for Parliament; and now that the CommifEoners had fuch important fer• vices to render the public, ke did not think it right to leave the exigence of the Board fulled to the will of Minifters. They had Rill to invefiigate the condo& of the Comnsiffioners of the Navy, of the Treafurer of the Navy, of theperfons engaged in the management of the Winds of the Vidualling Office, and of thofe conneded with the Tranfport Service ; the manage ment of prifoners of war was alto yet to be inquired into; and it was impoffible that a work of fo much labour could be ended within the prefent Seffion. He did not fee that any inconvenience could poffibly re fult from the paffing of a Bill to continue the powers of this Board, as no one would receive any injury thereby; and, on the other hand, the public fervice might fuffer materially by a terminaticn being put to the exigence of a Board which had deteded and expofed Co many abufes in the different departments into which they have already inquired, and which molt probably would render a fimilar fervice to the public in the invefiigation of the other departments contra:tad with the Navy which have not been yet ex amined into. Gentlemen who oppofed the introduc tion of the former Bill, conceiving it to be an unne ceffary meafure, could not, he thought, have the fame reafon to obje& to a Bill being brought in for the continuance of the powers of the Board, now that its utility is made manila by the different Reports which have been laid upon the Table. But thofe who thought the former Bill was necefary, and who confequently fupported it, mutt have a much ft ronger inclination to fupport the prefent Bill, now that they find that the labours which were allotted to the Board are far floor being finned ; that feveral of the molt important fubjeds which the Houfe direded to be inveftigated, have not yet been touched on by the Board, or at lea that they have not yet had time to report them to that Houfe ; and from the length of time which the others have taken, it is not by any means probable that this can be done within the pre fent Seffion. He was induced to• make the motion which he new Cul:omitted to the Houfe, principally from a recolledion that the p re d ece ff or f the prefent Minifter had declared that it was the intention of his Majefty's Miniftets to make fpecific motions upon the fubjed of the different Reports which have been prefented to the Houle. There motions have not been made, nor is there any notice given of any in tention fc to do ; and, if it had not been for the mo tion of his Hon. Friend (Mr. Creevey) the Houle would not now be in poffeffion of an pofitive infor mation as to the exigence of the Royal Commiffion. But, if Minifiers think proper to withhold their Cup port from this Bill, they cannot Cay that there is not evidence before them of the exigence of dhoti; they have at lealt much better ground than that of Rublic outoriety, upon which they have thought fit latOly to fu(pend the liberties of his Majefty's ((skit Rs. He therefore could with confidence conclude with mov ing, that leave be given to bring in a Bill for the continuance of the Powers of the Commitlioners of Naval Inquiry. As Coon as the Motion was put from the Chair, The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER role. to Rate his objections to the Motion. He could not fee that the Ileps which the Hon. and Learned Gentleman recommended, were at all proved to be oecelfary. He, for his part, had no with to deny that the labours of the Commiffion for inquiring into Naval Abufes, had been produdive of important ad vantages, and he withed it to be underftood that he gave no opinion as to the policy of renewing the pc. trod of their invefiigations if fuch a prolongation fhould be found requsfite previous to the clofe of the Seffion. If at that time it fhould be found necatry to extend the powers of the Commillion in conk queue of their being unable to complete the work entruficd to them, then it would be a matter for the eonlidaation of t he Houfe to what farther period they fhould be extended. At prelate., however, the matter was not preffing, and he thought there was no cafe made out for the interference of Parliament. The Honourable and Learned Gentleman had ar gued a great deal from the idea rat the labours of the Conuniffion could not by any poffibility be finifhed before the Seffion was finithed, and had alluded to feveral important points, which (till remained to he inveftigated. Of thefe fubjeds, the condo& of the Vitualling Board was one of great confequence, and he would not deny that it was deferving of very fe rioos inquiry. The Houfe, however, - had no evi dence bthre them, to thew that the Commiffion were not already confiderably advanced in inquiries, both on this and feveral other queltions that remained to be confidered. For any thing that the Houfe could know to the contrary, thefe inquiries might be nearly completed, though the reports were not alually pre fented. On this ground there was no proof that the inquiries of the Commillion would occupy a period beyond what the Salon might be expected to em brace. The Honourable and Learned Gentleman had thought proper to allude to another Cominiffion, which he confidered as difrefpedful to the Houle, though it was not very eafy to fee on what fuch an opinion was founded. The object of that Comtnillion was to carry into died every improvement which the Reports of the other Commifflon had fuggelied. It was rather fingular, therefore, to hear it afferted. time Comm:ffion profelfedly appointed for purports of reform, was at all to be viewed as difrefpetful to the dignity. or difcordant with the duties of Parlia ment. Seeing no teafon then for preffing the Hon. and Learned Member's Motion at prefent, and con- 1 ceiving, that if the circumltances of the cafe required it, there would be full oppottunity afforded for re newing the term of the CommilTion, Lc fcit it ;nem. bent on him now to conclude, by moving the other Orders of the Day. Mr. JAMES MARTIN profclTed the utmoß re fpea for the late Fira Lord of the Admiralty, and declared, that in his opinion, hi; exertions to reform the abufes in the Naval Department were highly me ritoriotts. From the time he had flat direded any part of his attention to public affairs, he had ken reafon to believe, that naval abufes of the moa fla grant defcriptinn exilled, and the Noble Lord de ferred the gratitude of his country for his endeavours to extirpate them. The Noble Lord had fought our battles abroad bravely, fuccefsfully, and fkilfully, and not fatisfied with tbefe exertions, be had let about the reform of abufes which were not only a difgrace to the Board of Admiralty, but a difgrace to the very charaaer of the country. He thought the Commiffion for promoting this great objehl an excellent one, and he Ihould certainly vote for the Moti on. Sir W. ELFORD followed, and animadverted on the reports of the Naval Commit Son, partly on the Eighth Report, where the condu& of the Grand Ju ry of Devonfbire was feverely condemned. He knew the Gentlemen compofing that Jury to be Gentlemen of the higheft refpeetability, integrity, and worth— Gentlemen whole high fenfe of honour made them ilrongly affeted by any inlinuations prejudicial to their characters—[fhre there war a cry that the worthy Baronet was out of order.] Mr. FOX contended that he was fbielly in order, if he bad in view the tota: abolition of the Commif- Son. The SPEAKER fuggefied that the Worthy Ba ronet was not fiddly out of order : fuch details as thofe he feemed proceeding on, were not applicable to the motion for difcharging the original motion. The CHANCELLOR ot the EXCHEQUER raid, that if , the Hon. Member wilhed to arraign the condue of the Comrnitfioners, the regular way would be to move a day for the confederation of the Reports on the table. Sir WILLIAM ELFORD thought himfelf redly in order. He was only attempting to Thew, that the Commillion ought not to be continued as it was at prefent adminiftered. The Reports were filch, that if publifhed by any authority but that Houfe, they would be deemed the rankeft libels that ever were written. In one of them, there was a. charge againft a Grand Jury of Devon, which, on enquiry, he had heard was levelled at a Mr. Whit:,, Sheriff of Exeter, who was accufed of having tam pered with the Jury, becaufe Come of his own rela-. tions were amongft the perfous the Commifiloners. had ordered to be profecuted. Mr. SHERIDAN role to Rate that he thought the worthy Baronet completely in order in the obfet vation* he had brought forward on the prefent oceafion.—o The Worthy Baronet had infinuated that the Como millloners for Naval Inquiry were, in the exercise the powers entrufled to them, guilty of ads of op . preflion, and furely if this was his opinion, this wart the molt (bitable period for Rating it. lithe power* were ahnfed, it was fair enough to argue that thel fhould be either curtailed or withdrawn. This wat t, however, no argument to be ufed by thofe who allow - ed that the Commiffioners had deferred credit fo r their fidelity in the execution of the truß repofed it t them, but who would not confent to the ample pro • pofition of introducing a Bill by which diek power were to be allowed full operation. Sir W. ELFORD remarked in explanation, dial he only Rated what the Bth Report Rated. Mr. GREY argued that if there was, as the woe thy Baronet had mfinuated, any fair charge again the Commiffioners for any of their reports, this w. is not an evil for which no remedy exifted. If any fee of men had been injured, they were not without r e drefs. If the Commiffioners had been guilty of at ty aft of oppreffion, the Houfe had the means of pi o curing to individuals improperly attacked full retti• bution. They could either recall or rearain powe rs which had been illegally or opprefllvely exercifed.- The Hon. and Learned Gentleman who had intr a ducted the difculllon had alluded to a variety of it n portal:it fubjefts which rema ned for the invefligatir of the Commiffloners, and the Right Hon. Gentl e. man oppofite had not denied that thefe matters wet T extremely interefting in themfelves, and deferring I if ferious inquiry. He had, however, thrown out I hint that there was reafon to hope the inveltigation might be clofed before the dole of this Seflion. B. it it was to be kept in view, that the proceedings of the Commiffioners had already been extremely laborious, that they had furnifhed many voluminous report s, and that there was no reafon whatever to fuppofe the it in the Mort time which might iLiervene, previous to the termination of the &Mon, there would be time for bringing their invelligations to a fati sfaftory cot %- durum. The benefits arifing from the inquiry were not denied even by the Rign Hon. Gentleman, and he would appeal to the Houfe whether he was afk ing too much when he contended that the full benefit of Aft authorizing the inquiry Ihould be obtained ? There was a ftrong probability that, toilers the Bill was renewed, it would fail of producing that effect which all feemed to have fo much at heart • and could any thing therefore he more r e af o n a bl e t han to put it out of all danger of expiring before it had produced all that reformation which it was calculated to pro duce ? But the motion of his Hon. Friend Rood on Rill ftronger grounds, if the intention of Parliament were to be allowed to have any weight. If Parlia ment had not met before the zoth of December, the 811 l would have remained in aftivity, and it was not afking too much to require that the fpirit of the Ad of Parliament fhould be aded on, and that the mere accidental circumflance of the delay of the meeting of Parliament should not interfere in defeat. ing a great meafure of public improveMent. There was one Hon. Member in the Houfe (Sir C. Pole) who had been highly inftrumental in promoting this important inveftigation, and who, he was confident, would (tate to the Houle that there was no hope of finishing the labours of the CommifLoners before the termination of the Sefllon. He wifhed to have that Hon. Member's opinion Rated, for it could not fail to make a powerful impreffion. He was decidedly in favour of the original motion. Sir CHARLES POLE faid, there doubtlefs were many important circutoflances remaining for the Commiffioners to inveßigate ; and he apprehended it would take up more time than the prefent Sefton could afford, to do ,fo. With refpcft to the Aft, however, it was not originally the intention to have PARLIAJ HOUSE The Royal Affc Loan and Greadar The CorniniMoner Ingham and Amid 'flu Quarantine palftd.—Adjoaraed 1 A Petition was I Logsdon, rayless fo the Coal Truk In Committee to exam to the Hook. Mr. Asuman)* on the Petition of City of Edinburgh. bring in a Bin forth accotding to the pn Loire was alfo gi minion of Roads, as land. The Bill era read a fabled time. M s t p .„2:assa; ti tie, that I Comalike to deb the Healed Peers. Ovviollisa Ores t The Right Hasa Members„ mmaigi On his retms,thi the Royal ASO gb the Greenland WIN Mr. Ascacaisaa of Edinburgh. pap Hoak, for email% Ordered to bo maw A Masse was d that ands' I.ordiblp any amen .an to which they dear Mr.ll4Anantop Company praying red to a Committee Lord Berta be Which wu read a it Sir G. Thtt pod the City of Leedom which Goods dupe lie cm the Table. Mr. Pox prefab the Hoak to Intel Wise for the vain peke be cannot cal Mr. CALCRAFT bit tbs Ade, of a for the Bereft* of of George Sham, E Mr. Humans number of Recruit from the tit of Jar disci:HUD& the nag Ordered. The Sacaateal was ord-red to be at the Members of Mr.AMIS to the Civil Lifi u gives notice yeßert The Hoofs. at WAR, wet Bill. Several thole, one to pr to take their si have entered. Mr. GREY I very extraordir fervice required not °Heti to thi General FIT the Secretary at which he had fi vinced of the from the adopt, inr, and there Right Honours The SECRI with the gallaa provifions to w duced in a hits lion of the Hon The Bill was and was ordere Lord WILL Committee on 1 Petition was n owing to the vii the tame, the el above borough Lion of the Nob port was appnit Lord WILL to defer, for a 1 bet to ferve for on certain ciri for the Petition, Committee. 1 torgd the Come Bill prevails, in tion would agai supted as before the Houle. The CHAN( ferved, that the mendation in iu Houle would bi tii.tte if die of thi There was no p golA lion propnii Lord WI LL o e. preventive M 1 only hecaule would be, in thi Houle as to let Mr. GREY c cellor of the LAI Committee bad tuggeft to the by the Coonfel. Lord WILL Houfe was drew it. Mr. HUSKU be read a fir(! til On the queilid Lord W. RU the impofition o Inch general nes impolitic meafut Houfe. The po it, and it would meats that have in the applicatioi