Star. — London, England, 1801-03-27 00:00:00

P.d. '.:.1.:1 /:.\ T.I R i I'i ~L'EDINGS. mpg , . COMAION.;, !)SESDAY, MARCH :3, \f; \L" • Tinv or THE :'..SATE ON MR• ORLY'S MO: ON 1 H. , . 5 r C. ot- THE NA I lON. Old. •1•'1.1 filt , t:!ti ar,tee to the ”rott gi. , ands whi,ll aTe tred to him ati.;.!: and till& ent. He had place] .t conlid ice•Mein hi, hlaicay's 1. Nliniilers, becaufe he kritor the' de flrv, .1 it ; hut %viten lie found in their ro.-toe a coi -1 •c'i of threads and n.ttches, :in ait6oiila!;e of Goo knows vim, and broti:.lit tc.;:zher Goo kiio , .s how, he could not repae ciiiiiidence, be cattCc he had no experience to jutlify hint. Let them he tried tirti ; let it be fern whether they de futved the confidence they a f!;.cd for? The lima- Om of the country wag fuel), that while we hefitt.t ed we were loft. 1-le thought forpicion is the pre. fent cafe fuliicicnt ground for enquiry ; added to which, the quellion relative to neutral law, and that moll important one of the Catholic Emancipa tion, which involved the bappinels of .t country now fo nearly connaled with us, this:ld - tiredly de manded it. When his Majztly's Minifters pr. Ned by thcit contlud they polleffed luilkient vigour and capacity to condo.% with propriety the atraios of the State, he would then give them his watnicti fupport. He fhould therefore vote for the motion. Mr. ELLI,Imi declared himfelf of a contrary opinion. He thought that thole in power ought not to be treated fo harfhly as the fpeech of the Noble Lord indicated. If the prefent Servants of his Majcily had not the confidence of his Lord- Tip, we fhould not thence conclude diat they had not the confidence of the people. Inflead of men of little or no ability, as defer:bed by his Lord !hip, Mr. Ellifton difcovered them in the poileffion of powerful talents and great political fagacity. Ittihad of fhreds and patches, he thought the pre fent Adminiftration formed of men of worth and ability—men who had not yet been tried, and therefore deferved the public confidence. His Lordfhip's fpeech went to anticipate or prejudge the merits of thofe men who now laudably hood forward as candidites for public favour, when the State was endangered for want' of proper guar dians. It appeared to him, that they had accepted their official fituations for the public good, and confequently deferved the cheerful aid - of every friend to the interefts of the Empire. They had been folicited to accept their offices from the pureß of all motives ; and Co long as they had the welfare of the King and Country at heart, fo long Mould they have his fupport. Mr. Ellifton was againft the. Inquiry. Mr. May (of Btlfaft) did not hefitate to repofe confidence in the prefent Adminiftration. He be llowed on them fume handfome compliments, con vinced of their ability and virtue. He thought the times not favourable to an inquiry, therefore would oppofe the motion. Mr. May mifconceiving the drift of Lord Temples obfervations, afked if his Lordlhip called in queflion his Majefty's privilege Sir W. Yortot paid many compliments to Mr. Pht and to the Adminiftration of which that Right Honourable Gentleman had been the head; but though he had fupported that Admini firation on account of the principles on which they had uniformly ailed, he did tot think himfelf bound to give the fame fupport to their fixed: fors, as he was induced to believe they would not adopt the whole of the principles purfued by their predecelfors. It was not underflood that the new Minifters were friendly to the queftion in favour of the hills Catholics : Yet this quef tion had been regarded by the Right Honourable Gentleman (Mr. Pitt) as one that was necefary to unite oppolite•feßaries, and thus to confolidate the flrength of the Empire. The Houle ought moll certainly to be informed refpcaing the extent of that quellion, and why the new Knitters now Rep. ped in to intercept its accompliihment. As the propofcd inquiry was the molt natural means of teaming at that information, he thought it his duty to vote for it ; nor could an argument, hots ever forcible in appearance, fuccced in convincing him that the Honfe would aft conaituticnally by rsatitting their confidence to be transfeiTed like a transits of cattle. _ _ Mr. For role exactly at t: o'clock, and made a moll glowing and animati'd fprtal of n...ir th.ec hears in length. Ile began by farina', th:.t hat in 2, been complimented by the Right Con. Gtuikinan (Mr. Pia) with the title of the /eery Proti.r, he prefnmed ar in late an hour to claim the indul gence t•iiillantly (hewn to rerfon; cf that cii.fct:;i ti..n. The deinit,.. had run into a variety of topics, that it wal diiacult to deterninne tbs. p.in:s to whic:l ; but es the Right (icittie:nan, in die later part of his fetch, fn puint.l at hint, (though tnis :he fplendid part of hi, fp:ech, 13 si !II,: rung: if i's ti ^ Oi..i.!:ty 0! his vi .Tienee), he iie;•;in t• !L. oldie Iltutr.l l . Confeder.iey, which th. Rigiit (iLutionan laid mac to be by ii:vo •-• :tn.! %%ler:. 1 i••••vt - :er n• • 1:: • - tipt.T. • : •,. .: • .nn tit.. tr)tc.".”l sirs•:l i• , s • s : !i! th.tt • . , „ . That :re' ut ;1. n in eh: a : 7 : , . ( 4' w:It• i 3. • :,..•:•: . • • : 4. tilt WCIZ not ; i. ct:;,4 l .. t i, tot c,, ifinh t.l'lje Of ;t It. • • "•zr ; and :•,.• The right of ::ear.).. 1.. I: . r yth.,p.. by :.l refolved intirthrce ;;rent ,• . • • , !".• •i ..shich it fcenis ;!.e..• wen: :I,he c•il:, • •B • • •' • The /: Itral Lonfc&r:.cy I:: a •,. , .fir. e Tlii .:••• . ni , •;t . occ.iittm hlr k: i• . • t!! Lt T:., N • . •t it“ by Fredel . ck t pililoiiiphyrtani Ai ' tle en% tint Petit: 11 3 ; Ortlindr.N in rCii:;; I 11, r. , Well It% (111 011• po;l11, the Coble:l:racy might as well he (Ailed 1)ei:,4•41 as Jaca:nical. ft was quite in the laliAoti of thi. prdent day to brand every thing With the name of Jacob:Be that wale not an;rccable to It...pourable Gemlemen nn the nt bet fide of the Houk---ms foam time •qo the Uoiverlity of Okford tr./Ilea the p •ty.:ilel rf liherty, upon f which the prelent w:n:c t.o tic Crm% n Cngland, an l n , :on wliielt the Conititu tit,n WJC l c t•lndi:ty to Ath :'not lie itt•l t own ti's; they had juit .ts g• • u ti; 4 l/t :n caned Atheillic.d as frame CI: II: pre:11" day had to he called Jaco- I.ii;ieal. ti_rnis had b eo iii,!tl too long —They h... 1 101 l th.•:l eiii ac Thity,/, might be worn /set. If a cry wa' I::CCiilltitly to be let up of .o , pine, Jaeottire, it ini:2;ht turn upon them ; for pt i hap. it might b^ equally applicable ISt their Own con.hin relly:aiii7 tl Catholic quell tion ; certainly was not one of the per lons who • •-tld imp , :t : it to them. But to return. That free li-tt/. •.. Aid not malze free goods was a donrine lec,,rrtiied by the law: of nations. He • had no difficult in laying fo. I his Honourable Fri-nd ( (;i vy) had faid that it was a dontine which it sets nut fleet:it:a y at this time to confider; and on th:s he perfectly ahrreed with him. We I were not ctlled upon, at this moll critical con- 1 jail/4.lre of our a tfait .•, to bring it into difcuffion.l But the Right Honourable Gentleman lays, that , ir. •lte y.:ttr 760, when the*Neut: al Confederacy was ' forme J, it W.IS not admitted, and that Lord Stor mont arterwards protelled againft it. What did this fity ? The doctrine was not admitted. Who called upon them to admit it now? The Miniflers of that day were too wife to bring the queßion un neceffarily into difeuffion. The Right Honoura ble Gentleman laid they were too weak to contea it. Be it as it might, the Right Hon. Gentleman who then came into Parliament concurred with him in thinkingthat the conduft orthe Adminiltra- • tion at that time, in poltponinq th elifcuflion, was difcreet and wife. Attila• time, a.well as at this, the hired depen.ients and panegyri ti s of Nlini am, who alcribe to their opponents every ipceies of tinißer motive, were ready enough to impute to the con dua of the Oppolition every thing that was infidi ous; and accordingly their approbetlii.a of the conduct of Minilters, in avoiding a difculTion that would have been inconvenient, was termed aft candour. The Right Hon. Gentleman, however, agteed with them in this fit of candour. But in -178.1, in that thou Adminiltration of which, laid Mr. Fox, I made apart, and which did fuch ex traordinary things, though it latled only three months, and was an Adminiftration to which cer tainly leis blame was imputed than to any'Aehni niftration of the preknt reign, I offered the Em prefs of Ruffin. to concede this queflion, on condi tion of her entering into an aaive alliance with Great Britain to bring France to a fair and mo derate peace. He imputes this to me, as if it had beer. my fingle aa, and calls it one of thole tafh and daring ads by which that fhort Minillry was diftinguilhed. It it was nib and daring, it was at leaft well and maturely confidered by Tome men of the greatcit talents in this country ; for though it fell to my duty, as Secretary of State for the Foreign Department, to take the King's pleafure on the matter, yet it had previoufly been approved of and determined by the Cabinet, which conflfted of eleven perfons, of whom Lord Rockingham, Lord Thurlow, the Duke of Richmond, Lord Camden, and Lord Affiburton, made a part. They all concurred in thinking it a political meafure to engage by this offer the aBive co-operation of the Empre(s. But the Right Honourable Gentleman finds in my letter that I called it a great concef fion. I do not think it a very unulual condua, when a perfon is making a conceffion, or offering terms for a bargain with another, that he lhould extol the value of the thing which he offers to con cede. My letter Rated it as a boon of confiders , ble value to the Ensprefs to receive ; and yet the Adminifiration thought it a conceflion which they might fafely offer as a quid pro quo. Is it fair in the Honourable Gentleman to argue from the terms of a letter to M. Simolin, in the very be ginning of a negotiation, that we felt the offer to he of fuch high conlideration ? When the Honour able Gentleman, for inilance, propofed to agree to the transfer of Belgium to the French as the price of peace, would he have felt any great icrupk in magnifying the boon? But he lays it WAS a moll fortunate thing for England that it was not accepted by Ritffia, as in this war it would have prevented us from extinguishing the marine and commerce of France. I fay it would have t had no fuch eitea ; for in the prefent war, by the 0.3.1 a rat aa of Rttilla h:rfclf at its commencement, lilac wont! have given no facilities to France. He that we have deßroyed the marine and com merce of Ft ante, by refilling the neutral code. Do/:s he not think that the internal Government of France, in the early and convulfed periods of the Resolution, diet initialling towards the over -1 throw of its commerce ? If granting this boon I to Ittat would have been Co material, how mnch none In mutt it have been in the hands of Hol- I land ? Ruilia was never a carrying nation. Hot- s'3s the carrier of urope, and Holland, dur the levee years war, had the power by a Ipecial treaty to carry goods without vifitation. 1);,i thet prevent the Bntifh nation in that brilli.' aat era to hat& all the maritime power of France ? 1 To I/ y th:.t i: would have been dangerous to grant ;1 to Raffia when it was proved nugatory in the h.ards of the. Dutch, is moll idle. What , is this Litt c::tchiag at the , prejudices of the nation, to • • a which a man of common under- • . to he araamed ? But he lays that I ' ii to k raut the fame boon to France at e. • , :nr ri:•• I: eat v. I did fo,becaufe I thought . i t ;•,;;:•, it. thing to grant to France what yin. 1 . :/: (.:11:r powers. Ile lays it was fyant tl! tt. I in t 634. b:catife the was likely in / • a: -A:ars to be an Ally. This is not exaal y i:.•• ;:;;;:l)•bt be neutral as friendly, and I ; iiic was fo immediately after it was • .!. he lays it was a moll important : . T..,u s.l.y not en q uire into it ? It Da :iy I have been better to pals it by than t- :,,g it nosy to a difcuftion, for what will you g et by it? Suppoie Denmark !hall make an the gt cared thing you can exped.- I'fie very nest war, if an opportunity ffiall oc. cur, they will again demand the fame thing. It is a *raver %chid* always did, and always will, depend upon power for a time; why then bring it to the alternativc of admit er raga? Why not do :Is in ti7P;): Wily nut fu1 , ....d1 a7si (}tire claim, aad fit c orders - to ;t7ur cruiv ..rs to hold a cm:i• deraic line of d:portnient•trl>ich fhoulti not you to Ce>111!: to a declarati , m ? Neither in ner in i 782, were embargoes laid on Swcdifh a! , i Danifh -.-te;fels ; but, on thc contrary, in 17R2 af ter the neutral confederacy was entered into, Prufiia and Ruliia were applied to, and m oda the mediators for peace. What then is the true mean ing of this intemperate condua at prefent, but that you think the prefenta favourable moment for a molt impolitic queftion ? You have no charac ter for pacific difpoiition, and this will confirm tht opinion that you mean nothing but a new de vice for the continuance of war. All your oher pretexts are worn out, or taken from:ender your feet. Jacobinifm is become flak, and a new cattle for the war muft he difcovered, and I believe this will be imputed to you with fume truth. As to the doaine of convoys, if one hate is to convoy tii..• trade of another, it is a new do&rine, and I think a very fit fubjeet for reptelentation. lam lure it might have been fettled by reprefentation. As to the fearch, what is it ? If you arc not content viitli the papers ; if you have a thong ground of fufpi. cion you will fa:arch—yes, you will do the fame with the convoy. If you have a amok; ground of lidpicion you will (catch notwitliftandtng the con-, vnv, and you will be itrltilied in doing Co. Nnu 1 ' will not permit this principle to he exerted limber ngainft you, and yet you demand it againtl. others. Suppole Spain, which is always at war said' the Also-isle t.'tates. Mould claira the fearch of every i l Bt kith veikl panes; thriiii , h the Gut, m,:relv un der the pretext at h a Licii , ; ;• at war with A i i . it's, would you, or ought yon, to submit to b. ? Kith rape& to the contraband of war, the Right lit at. ' Gentleman zealous molt cutioafly when he talks of (hips and timber, anal naval ttores not lung ' forefeen as implements of war in 16;4. Great maritime powers were then in exiftetace, and it is idle to compare them with the article of :. l iiitroar. der, and guns and cannon. Much as he relpeet ed modern inventions, he could not include naval fly res in the number of modern inventions. They exiled at the time of 1694, and if it had been thought right to call them contraband of war, they would have been enumerated. The whole of the reafoning, was unworthy of the talents of the ltilit Tlonoorable Gentleman. He owns that lie is dif appointed at not being in at the death of his war. It is coming, he fat .•, a clofe—yes—it might be coming to a clofe. The utter dircomfittere of all his fames, and the failure of all his pretexts, might at length have brought the catamitotr; con:. ten to a dole, when this new conteft was thought of, to perpetuate thc ttruggle.' Not one word has he Lid of the King of Pruflia. He has t-lked of four rowers concerned in the Coe' - • I -44 ; but the rower of all others the oto : c ::,. Lie of hint ing us he carefully avoids rre.:::.aling. ‘Vliar is the whole of this condu&, tot to add ::- • .. as well as infuperable n! :1 Ades to pacificat..a r Mr. Fox then in a rno: 4 l;:rcible appealto the Hetife, called to their reca.itt :aion the various contradiao- I l ry pretexts with -a :Itch they had been anturA from year to year, vi.d the arrogant propoE•icn which was made u• 3onaparte's dignified and camellia- ing propar.tion of peace in January i Soo, when they m,.,,/!J propoltd that he thoulcl deliver him. , fell on to the Bourbons, or, in other words, hang himf.-i:', as the only means of procuring peace with , Foo.eel They were then elated with a thew of fuccefs, and they had not minds fufficiently et ilarg- , ed to aft with magnanimity and politenefs. Now, however, they were humbled, they were going to treat with thcfe very Jacobins whom thcy had fo ig notninioully derided. The Hon. Gentleman (Mr. Dundas) had Paid, in his own peculiar diale.t, half Scots, half Englifh, for he (hewed that it was not in the power of Parliament to form an union of the two languages, that ~ filch opinions had been broached bya miferable remnant of this Houfe, but thank GOD they had always been exploded by the majority." To this polifhed•phrale he (Imolai only fay, that it was no new thing for the opi nions of that fide of the Houle to be exploded.— The Noble Father of the Right Honourable Gentleman had found his opinions exploded— and he himfelf would loon find that unlefs he fat on the bench, where he continued fo long, his own opinions would be exploded —But though explod ed by the Houfc they were uniformly adopted.— They had been Ilrenuous advocates for peace, and if Minilters had aCted in feafon on the opinions which were hilt exploded and afterwards adopted, they would not now have to humble tliemfclves in the dull, in the hope of not meeting the lame con . temptuous infolence which they had (hewn. He firmly believed that Bonaparte was too wife, too dignified, and too magnanimous to imitate their grofs indecorum. Mr. Fox then adverted to Mr. 1 Dundas's affertion of the fuceeffes of the war, and ; he examined the pretenfioas to the charafter of foe ! cefs with his ufital addrefs. To the navy he paid I the warmeft tribute of applattfe ; of the late lira Lord he (poke in handfome terms; and gave this marked reafon for the conflant and brilliant rue , ceifes of the navy, while our military expeditions, : though our troops had equal bravery with our lea men, have generally failed..--that in naval tactics ! alma every thing depended on the talents of our I Officers in executing, whereas in military move ' molt:, a great deal depended on the original de fign. Nothing, therefore, could be a greater proof of the imbecility of our Minifters, than that in the fervicc which depended upon them, every China„ had failed. In that which depended on thc men,l every thing had fucceeded. In all former wars ; there had 'been inquiries wherever there was dial- tar. He had talked of the Wands captured : the c ..ture of iflands was not the objea of the war. I Our objea was to prince! Europe again(' France : Have we done to ? And in the mirk of the war wlikh of the two nations is the moil argrandired —England or France ? They fay that tlif.re is only i60,000,0cc1. added to our debt ; fo the Honour. able Gentleman cuts off 56,c00,ci;01. mote, for I wli;ch thc Income Tax is mortgaged—fo that a debt to be paid by inftallments was to be wonder ed no debt' at all.—lt now coils us 313,000,0001. a year in taxes, betides 1 0,000,0001. for Poor-rates ; and the whole Lund rent of the country was only as millions. A country paying double its land rem in rtrro rates Ira: forell , in a !N • 714r.e. 7 .C4 i!ioairy. 'l-natrahle I t . t .! tw a 01,,.!tr01a Roy .1 til e of Vol:, an I one florn Sir , juilify the In ire of our expedi ions. H: wis callyd a new l•Lmb.r, and Ile mutt indeed he new to the preEnt firms of Or! Honk, for as an old Member Ire knew that 'lac% Lat:rs would not Imo been ruf i•_rc.l to b.: read. An inquiry was Moved for, and inacad of agreeing to one the War Secretary was permitted to fcica, and read partial and garbled evidence. Even there letters, however, were con vincing proofs of the neceffity of inaiiiry, and Irons efped to the chara•fkr of his Royal Highnefs, he thought it was incumbent cn the Hook to gointo , ne. By this letter, it appeared that though in t h e faring of 1799, the arms , of fupplementary militia was broken op to make his army for the location Holland, it was wa till A tigull that they had proceeded ; and they had failed, he would not fay ia a difgraceful, hut at lean in a difcreditable way, as they had yielded to an infsior force. The War Secretary had talked much aboet the diverlion of war, and he bad in this innance (hewn us the na ture of a divertion upon his principles. He had fent his Royal Highnefs, and an army of 30,000 men, to the only neck of land'in the world, per haps, where a fifth part of their own number was t .:111J1 to cope with them. A diverfinn then, az ! cor,';ilg t t t:i7s War eceretary, was when a great 'tundra- of was made to yield to a very few. To lit.. e .511 cue `t , VC lot Ce too—the filpplementary ni:lnia were brol:er :gip, and fcvcn months alter ! wards they were foolid to be unfit for aktual fervice. G:aeloar, Goa, w:lat an life of the ben blood of the eattary t 1-I'y Mak:4's fon, to nearly impli cared in the honour, and lb dear to the feelings of • the country, is then to be extioted and devoted. After 5..t,.n it teems, 'they not only could hat be drilled and difciplined on account of the iron, but thay could not be made acquainted with their own offii ors !—They could do nothing till the thaw. France, indeed, may be Paid to be a little milder climate than England; bat the dif tisence of cliMate alone could not account for all the diffence of exertion : that front which lobed up our men warmed Bonaparte and his troops ; he dit,egarded the frrills and fnows of the Alps, and (hewed that no obiltacle was fuperior to the energy of his example. And why not Ain Aultria after all this delay ? Why ? be, aufe Auilria would have nothing to do with our troops. They thought ro,o,:an Britifh troops would do them no fervice. They wilhed every thing belonging to us to keep away, but our guineas.—And fo our Minifters con federated with and sinstidized a Pri•.:e that tt tated with this contempt It 11 :tins army. Prince Eugene did not view the Englillt underthe Duke ‘f Marlbo rough in this light—And yet, notwithaanding this degrading treatment, we are to have no inquiry Mr. Fox then came to fpcak of the memorable ar :- irlice of Hoheulinden, and the negociation which f Cooke of the condula of Miniffers,cu this cc...' ..us of indignation, and raid that tibia was an ilia:ace to prove the old remark, that eloquence was very diftinEt from wifilom. The Honourable Gentleman gave his advice as a tpee tator to the Emperor, and refuted to negotiate both conjointly and leparately. This country, with a fottith Itupidity almolt unparalleled, ruder ed the favourable occafion to pals over. Aftcr the difgrace and ditafter which has at tended this contea, we are told, forfooth, that the war is drawing to a dole—but how ? Is it by nic e& ? "%That is our lituation ? Arc not all the great obit:els of the war defeated ? Arc we not de ferred by our allies? And when it is found that there is no profpea of fuccefs remains, negotiation may beseforted to, and perhaps, as betbre, a ne gociation on the failure of which thole that condutSt it. may rejoice, and which may lead to the &ob. lithrnent of another folid fyltem of finance. What mutt be the ignominy, however, of thole who par. ticipated in the infolent anfwer given to the pro. petals of Bonaparte, when they approach with their tblicitations for that negociation whirl) they have lo often refuted? How can they expel to be r eccived ? He entertained the highdt opinion of the magnanimity of that great man—bethought that a mind like his would not be infenfible to the glory of making a durable peace: but in order to teparate from the difgrace which their rulers mutt incur in making efforts of peace, the people of this country ought to feparate themfelves from the Ad miniaration. They ought, through their Repre sentatives in Parliament, to difavow the principles on which Milliners had acted, and flew that they' were Sincerely defimus of peace. Minifters might negotiate; but was it for the credit of the coun try that Parliament fhould be held forth to the world as ready to littglion an infolent rejcaion of an overture, or the humble application for peace ? That the hlinificr who had carried with him the votes oldie Houfc in favour of war, could, when he pleated, whittle them back topeace ?—lt was by Separating from Milliners, and exprang an in dependent fentiment that this ignominy could lie avoided.. With refpecl to the confidence of the country, the Right }lenourable Gentleman (Mr. Pitt) had boafted that the confidence of the Houle • of Commons was not even in proportion to that of the country. It was rather angular indeed, if with all the rapport of the country, the Miniller after three fucceftive Parliaments thould not have been able to obtain a Houfe of Commons to per- Feely the Reprefentatives ref the Nat:on, as to be flow upon him a tioleicia (hare ofcontiilence I He fay that no prayers were offered up di it the mem bers of Oppolition might be called on to fave the country. But where arc tile fymptoms of national regret or dtfpondency when he quits the helm ? —We were called upon to grant to the new M oine:6 that coidith.nce which the Constitution au thorizes. 1711(107:V:di) , that confidence might be due, but in a found interpretation he was nut die. poled to think that filch a confidence was very ex tentive in its. nature. As to the new Minitters, the pariegyricalpon the Fill Lord of the Treafury had his full c.sucurrence ; but among the new Mi nift era he perceived many who were not unknown in the old, and they had been the militant (up porters and advocates of that fyftcm which had redtmed the country to i;s preen dithers. He ad mitted that the Gulf of the Hoofs 44 Commons re .