Star. — London, England, 1801-11-25 00:00:00

PARLIAMENTARY PROCEEDINGS. MUSE 'OF LORDS, TUESDAY, NOV. 24. A Naturalisation INV wu read a (could time. The Lottery Kftahe Aosarbsent BM was brought up hoot the Commons, aad prefastedby Mr. VANAITTATIT and others. and read a firft time. Dill/Haase NU was alto brought up, and pre rented by Mr. VANS! , end read s f4rf time. Two Nsuirslisatioa Bills were brought up, and prefented by Mr. SuAw Ls Fares and others, and reads firft time. HOUSE OF COMMONS. Mr. 51PLA Lea having taken the Chair at four, Lord Hawnasanar reported to the Honk that his Mikity bad received the Addrefs of this Houk, praying for a copy of the Treaty es Ming between this Country and the Sublime Porte .-and that bis Majelty had given orders accordingly. M . ILITIA 'BALLOT. The SPOIL !TART ofli;ltill;CTietici to the Houk; that he to-morrow, move for leave to bring in a bill to amend the mode of balloting for Militia Men, preparatory to t►e Ge neral Ballot now approaching. Lord HAwcauuar prefented, porfuant to the Addrefs of the Houfe, and his Malefly's order thereon, a Copy of the La dling Treaty between Great Britain and the Ottoman Porte. Ordered to lie on the Table. FINANCES OF IRELAND. Mr. COSILY role and obierved, that in conic: quence of the orders of this Houfe on the 3d of this inn. for the Return of Ellimatcs for the pub lic on the feveral branches of mifcel laneous fervice in the United Empire, for the three months commencing the IR of January, 18ot, or ders had been of course forwarded to the Official Departments in that part of the United Kingdom called Ireland, and the uftial Returns made in purfuance thereof. But as the forms of thole Re turns differed materially in the two countries ; as fervices in Ireland, which were deemed of the 6rll publicity and importance, mull be confidered, accordingly to the ufage of the Britiffi Parliament, of a private nature, and as, by the fame ufag e, the grants for purpofes con fi dered as public ler s ice were voted on Ellimate, while thole of a pri vate nature were voted on Petitions, the Returns made from the Public Offices in Ireland were con. fequently liable to be confidered as incompatible with the forms of that Houfe ; and if in that ac count they were to be regulated and returned, the dillancc at which the officers lived, and the length of time which would elapfe before the documents could be made out, in conformity to the efta bliftled rules of this Houfe, might very much em barrafs and protrael the proceedings of Parliament with reprd to the Finance of Ireland. He in stanced the grants ufually made for the mainte nance of the Protettant Charter Schools, to the Truflees of /he Linen Board, and feveral others confidered in Ireland as of the moll public and im portant nature, and always fpecifically recom mended in the fpeech from the Throne, though not fo confidered in the ufage of this country. — The °bid:l of his riling now to trouble the Houle, was not with a with to trench upon the ufisal and eflablifhed forms of Parliamentary proceeding, but to folicit, as matter of indulgence, the leave of the Houfe, that the public eflimates for the mit: cellaneous fervices of the three months, to com mence on ill of January next, for that part of the United Kingdom called Ireland, purfuant to the order of the 3d of November intl. be allowed to - be received in the fame form is which the fame were ufually prefented to the Parliament of Ire land. It was his with in every political proceed ing, that the forms of every cart in relation to Ireland, (hould conform aridly to the forms dia. blifhed in England, and in future it would be his duty to take care that all public documents rela tive to the finances of that country, required by this Haute, lo long as he fhould have the honour to fill his prefent fituation (Chancellor of the Ex chequer), fhould be in (trig conformity with the ufages of this Houfe. Mr. Coital , concluded by a motion to the eft& foregoing. Mr. SPEAKER obferved to .the Right Honour able Member, that it would be his own uuty to preferve the ufual forms of Parliamentary proceed ing, unlefs the Honfe fhould be difpofed to relax them in this infante. The CHANCELLOR of the EICHEIZOER conceived the (Neel of his Right Honourable Friend's mo tion to be a with of calling the attention of the Houle to a peculiar and temporary cafe, refpe4l - the Returns made by the Public Offices in Ireland, and calling on the Houfe for a mere oc caftonal and temporary indulgence, with a view not to difpenfe generally with its own ufual and eilabliffitd forms of proceeding, hut to prevent the conform and embarrallinent that would occur to the Public Offices in Ireland, by being called on to make out duplicate returns under different forms, and to Pave the Houle the delay which mutt necef lardy protraft its own proceedings, in waiting for fuch returns. In this point of view, he had no objection to fupport the motion of his Right Ho nourable Friend. After a few words from Sir JOHN PARNELL. and Mr. CORRY, the Motion was agreed to. IRISH PURLIC ACCOUNTS. Sir JOHN PARNIII.I. exprefred his defire to know if it was the intention of the Right Hon. Gentle man over the way (Mr. Corry) to lay before the lure at an early day, for the information of Gentlemen iaterefted in the affairs of that part of the United Kingdom, the public Accounts thereof, and to have them printed, as they ufually were during the esißencc of the Irifh Parliament, in tam , : for the preparation of Gentlemen interefled i•a I rifh afrairs, to difetifs thole Accounts whenever they thould come forward fur inveßigation. The manner in which thole accounts were ufually pre pared for the Ira Parliament was at once clear, c u rrea, and fatisfaCtory, and very much tended to facilitate the proceedings on bufinefs of Finance. 'llle CN.INCELLOR Of tli Eirmatunrt find, the mcatane fuggcßed by the Right T-lon. Baronet was cert.tially intended, and was in his mind not only vtry proper, but defirat.!c and neceEry. CotsCoßev affurcd his Right Hon. Friend that w.t.. his ost ,, nt'on to bring thole Ac e malts ("naval d in the IP/4 : 0 hr %% jibed : and be fuld the plea) ire to Atfurt him y wen: in inch for. ••./tJnef.. a. to give him hopes of bcisig .tbl to pre 'cot them v_r.• Lady in the new year up to the tc - r r.iat'oa of the oil. &IMMO LAWS. Mr. VAIIIIITTAAT brought up the Report from the Committee appointed to inquire into the Ex piring Laws.—Refolutions read and agreed to. In allufion to the law for preventing the expor tation of provifions, Mr. VAIISITTAILT rote and obferved, that the continued exertions of thofe who were intercftcd in reviving the enhancement of the prices of pro vifions, rendered it indifpen fi bly neceffai y to coon teradt them, at leaft by continuing for fome time the law againft the exportation of provitions of the firft neceffity from the United Kingdom, and particularly corn and potatelts, fiabjee to certain regulations to be controuled by Government. He accordingly moved for leave to bring in a Bill to that effee.—Le.tve given. Mr. ALEXANDER brought un the Report from the Committee of Supply.—Agreed to, and or• dered to lie on the Table. ORDIA OF TDB DAY. The Hoare refolved into a Committee for the confederation of the ACt of the 39th of the King, for allowing the Importation of Naval Stores from Hamburgh and other Ports. Mr.Vasststrm felt it unneceffary to detain the Committee by going into any comments on the oc carton, _which rendered m eArary the enaCtment of this Bill, the cefration of which, now fo eminently known, (allufive to the arrangements with the Northern Powers) rendered its cr.n inuance any longer wholly unnecclfary. He 11 ould therefore move a Refolution, that the Chairman be inftruEl ed to move the Houfe for leave to bring in a Bill for repealing the Paid AR.—Agreed to. And the Chairman left the Chair, and moved accordingly.—Leave given. DISTIILERIRS AND HIGH PRICE. OF CORR. The Houle in a Committee on the Molalfes Dif tillery Bill, Mr. VANSITTART (aid it was not neceffiry very long to detain the attention of the Committee, by arguing on the neceflity of continuing to encourage the diftillery of fpirits for home-conlumption from molaffes; at the fame time that the abundant, uni verfally acknowledged, and unqueltionahle abun dance of the late moll providential harvell, teemed fo fully to warrant the revival of the corn diltillery, and this upon a footing to render the duty on both equal in effeet, fo as not only to give the diftiller an alternative from the exorbitance of the corn dealer, who never failed to feize the advantage of a very grofs and molt erroneous prejudice which obtain ed in public opinion, that the principal part of the barley of the country was confurned by the diailleries ; but who alto mod:: the fame popular and erroneous prejudice a pet:nee frit advancing to an enormous pi ch the pi els of other corn, and thus advancing, ev:n in the molt p! milli! tea ! Cons, the priers of bread corn to a pitch almoll be yond the reach of the poor. Titan this prejudice nothing could be more erioncons, for it appeared to the Committee r f that Houft appointe , i to in quire into the cal fe. of the 1::: t ;li prices of provi fions in 1799, that the crop 01 barley in Great Britain, in a year of ordinary plenty, was five million of quarserr, out of which the confumption of the diftilleries in no year exceeded 300,000 quar ters, or at molt oar twentieth of the whole produce. This furely was an ample refutation that the diftil leries were the true caufc of the dearth and high price of Corn, though fraudulently utrumed as fuch ; and filth again there was every fymptom apparent now to warrant belief ss3ald ire the cute if the encouragement was dircontinutd from the Diftillation of Molaffes. In order, however, to obviate all jealeufy on the part of the homediftil lers, it was hi; objet to confine to them only the privilege of diffilling from molaffes, and by col lating the duty thereon from the wort or fmall wines, at thirteen-pence halfpenny the gallon, the molanes fpirlt would Lind on a par with that of corn fpirit, rated in the fame wav at eleven-pence halfpenny thr. gallon. He concluded by moving a Refolution accordingly. Mr. DEPT approved the Refolution, but feared it was a meafure not fufficiently prong to meet the evil in its full extent. Alt eady in the North ern Counties, in the very contemplation of open ing the diftilleries, the corn dealers had contrived, notwithftanding the unprecedented abundance of die late harveft in barley, as well as in every other grain, to exalt a confiderable Advance in the price of that, well knowing the other fpccies would rife of court.. In Ilion, he feared, it the Legiflature did not for a time fufpend 1,:11 farther the corn diftillery, and adopt Come e 4 :lean:ll rota ore to check the advances of munnyoly before its Ilrides became too formidable, we lhottld again Pak all the evils of a fiditious fcarrity, notwithllanding the teeming and rarely precedence,' abundance of the late harveft, and our tefloration to amity and open commerce with all the ports of the would. Loral GLRNBERvIE lamented that public preju dice and unfounded error &wild afford any pre tence to thofe interetled in the tale of corn, fuincient to render them fuceefsful in any fpecies of e,,ir bitance upon that commodity in the very face of fuch an harveft as the raft. But he trolled the meafures brought forward this night by his Hon. Friend—tft, a Bill to prevent the esportation of corn or potatoes ; and, fecondly, the Refulution now before the Committee, joined to the remedy we timid potiels in our commerce with other na tions, would altogether amount to a complete eounteruCtive upon any fuch "themes as the Hon. Member, however juftly, teemed to apprehend.— In the year I 799. he well recolleded that Commit tee, to "hole conlid , _ration the Hoofe had referred the ful , jed of Price of Provifinns and Scar city, and who had for two years attended with un ceafin7, vigilance to the fubjed, recommended to the Houle the opening of the corn diftilleries, though potatoes were not fo plenty as now, from :he n: •ft full proof and coma I convietion of the Ha:erne:it alluded to by his 1 ion. Friend, namely, that :heir confilinetion of cola, «impaled with the barley (1, p. the country, to fir from being the mute of .tv, ;vete in fad extremely trivial, Leia; ; not A :74 ., ./:;t6 of the whole ; and he could ! °int t rely i% in. th 4: viticrce befoi ethe Committee I that fobj.:4l, ant their rer,rt thereon, wet,. ptin.,c4l teparately km Meth to the wnrl.l,:es Att•lL:u -' tic relut.tt:tm to a pretence fo grutsly fallacious. The Coaxer Lusa of the Esenetput faia, that the queftion was not now whether the Diftil!cries fhould be continued or not, but whether it was ex pedient that the low duties fhould be continued upon Spirits &Rated from Moieties, when the price of Grain was above a given amount, for in- Rance, 45 or 465. a quarter ? this certainly was a great price, but compared with that which had been paid for it fome time part, it was a low one, and the object of this Motion was, to create an in ducement to perfons to diftill from other articles. and confequently to lave Barley. Although the Motion now before the Committee did not, Aridly fpcaking, embrace thole confiderations which had been alluded to by an Hon. Member (Mr. Dent), yet it did molt unqueftionably fairly open a difeuf fion upon thole topics. It was not, however,, his intention to enter at large into the fubjev at prefent, unlefs fome objections made to the prefent Motion fhould render it neceffary. He was per fatly aware that thole opinions and prejudices which had been alluded to did exilt, to a very confiderable degree, upon this fubjea t but it Was for the wifdom of Parliament to confider how far they would give effeCt to thofe prejudices, and how far they would legiflate upon them. Something was undoubtedly due to public prejudices, but It muft always remain for the wifdom of Parliament to determine how much. It was only necelTary for him to call the attention of the Committee to what had been (toted by his Hon. Friend, and what ap peared on the Reports of the Houfe. It appeared that the proportion of Barley ufed for making Spi rits, to the produce of an Average Crop, was not above one-twentieth part; he meant of an abundant feafon like the prefent. In the year 1799, when the Country experienced great diftrefs from the hih price of provifions, it was the recommendation of a Committee of that Houfe, at a time when the price of Grain was higher than at prefent, and when the price of Meat was lower---it was, he laid, the recommendation of a Committee of the Houle, not to difcontinnc the Diftilleries, and the Houfc aced upon that advice. At that period too, Potatoes' were not near fo abundant as they now are. The Houle at that time thought that the advantage which would refult from the price of meat, which it was fuppofed would refult from permitting the Diftilleries to go on, would counterbalance the in creole in the price of grain. It was alfo to be re collated, that Barley was more in ufe for food at that time than, fortunately for the Country, it was at prefent.—There were upon this fubjed other contiderations, which mull prefent themfelves to the minds of Centlemen, and fome of which hpel been alluded to. One was the Revenue : the Re venue was undoubtedly a molt important °Nat, though certainly lefs fo than others which he would not now enter upon. With regard to the Revenue, he thought it right to admit, that the advantage that would accrue to it from permitting the Dal levies to continue, was not fo great as had been i.nagined ; for the duties arifing from Spirits dif- title A from Mohacs, &c. were fo confiderable, that they went a great way towards making a compen fation for the lots fuftained by difcoutinuing the diftilling from Grain. If Gentlemen would turn their confederation to the fituation we flood in with regard to Ireland, they would perhaps be Rill more convinced of the propriety of not giving too much to prejudice. lg Ireland, as in this Country, the Barley harveft had fortunately been molt abun dant, and the price was lower in that Country than in this; and though it was above an export price, it was !till low enough to make it worth the while of the Diftiller to carry on his trade. And not withilanding every regulation, there were in pri vate places Rills at work in Ireland ; and all the aCtivity of the cruizers, could not prevent Spi-1 nits being fmuggled into this Country from thence. If, happily, there exifled a free intercourfe be tween the two Countries in the article of Grain (but this fabjat, which was of the greatelt im portance, had been wifely referved for future dif cuflion in the Articles of Union), many of the inconveniencies to which he was now alluding, would be done away. For then, inflead of receiv ing the barley in the &ire of Spirits fmuggled in Born Ireland, to the injriry of the fair trader, and to the diminution of the Revenueore fhould receive the barley direel from that Country,'whenever the price was fuch as to permit the exportation from thence. But now the Englith Diailler was prohi bited from carrying on his trade, while, in Ireland, notwithstanding all the vigilance that could be t l ufed, the Dillilleries were carried on in places of concealment. Indeed, information had been re ceived from the Isifh Government, that dillillation was carried on to a great extent in that country.— ' The quetiion was, therefore, whether they were to allow all the nrifchiefs of an illicit trade, which were too obvious to render it neceffary for him to comment upon them.—lf then, it was confidered, what was the importance of giving encouragement to the produce of Grain, and what was due to the perfons concerned in the trade (which, though they ought certainly not to be put in competition [ with the public intereft, yet ought by no means to be neglected), and when it was confidered that the great price of Meat might, in forc e de g ree, waee, re duced by opening the Diftill er i es b : au- (and thot:fed by the Reports of thole Committees in en tertaining that opinion), when all thefe fubjefts i were taken into confiderati.ir, there would be a ' thong ground laid, at Icalt, for puling, before a general difpotition was indicated to give way at " once to general prejudice:. was t l yf a oad i sßu n i g.n e ou d oufpnwn. r : :teao,erhsp l ideao l aus berorihodoxdaon:di what ; e t ohiwt d t 1 rhat , othet u h e h:D e fd:en. i whole b a ilt foi fold, em i :I d ;i: ipi donetoisl ae: fiap p cc Iwo ow r uu: i ra e i hr tcacia j t ,en;iehr frill. nut d dnei gat i f e ctyr po e t hcouHr s thatiyefpA addwhen oeßw:tßarley, kingdom,t ai.l Mr. 'ANT exp lained be aatt t rns east . : i udji e apc. ttati f hen t , ~ti .c 1 :.1 :}, j u:ev e :f. i . j. 'll3. prefent trr . 6:7 mffc. opinion nl ta m ti smrt ufed a u c‘ror%ot a . cyud c ti na:: dt u y,nt,L i l i fo: d oietth e rwe r aua l I,n, dependo e q. di:l,: atiii, imni ip,i.. , 7p N‘ l i. e ! , : • r i,: e o l :i t y ! ib t l il l i it i r:ar a t td n i: A th .: I t e h r : r:s l : i1 1i .. 1 1 1 , t , i t i) % u .. 11 g" well I uk-erloewfni:lijteitti it t o very f i /lc." y Ptil- o ',lt.s. Ile wilhe.l it however to bee zr. fcEll , tclerftt fatly nnclerflood, that he believed it to he the fa 4. that no Wheat whatever was at the ',relent Troll s ufed for the purpofes of diftillation. I-Ie likewife to make an Obfcrvation on the Boo; -iv paid on the importation of Corn. He had on mer evening hated the amount of thofe hountiet: be only 700,0001. He did not however mean to elude in that lum the charges incident to the but merely hated the amount of the nuns anti.lit:- paid for thole Bounties. 'filistiun alto aenally• 1) for Bounties, which was in faCt 713 cal mnti onfy be underhood as the amount cif the fam4 up to the period when the fait Ac..ount was -,•:r tinted to the Houfe. Since that period many fun; had been paid for Corn Bounties, and if lit d not hate an opinion as to the aCtiral amount c. thofe bounties at he pi-dent moment, he wiiii..4 it to be underftobod that in hating the amount 4. 7cg0,0001. he only confined his atement to th. period before alluded to. He was furry to si he was afraid they would confiderably exceed tha fumThe Refolution was then agreed to, and 6. Houk being renamed, the Report was ordered t. be received to-morrow. The further confideration of the Report relativ. to the Interference of Peers in Eleftions, was poll paned till this day week.—Adjourned at I- If • IA p 4 five. LONDON. vst•pysyrThAr , NOVEMBER 2s. PRICT 0 STOCKS THIS DAY AT ONE o'ol 007 Cm .01, 67 I—Ditto, for January on. GM 4 Reduced 664 4-4 per Cent. rid 5 per Cult. blew 5 per Cent 9b-i Loug Ann. Eichcsa. Bills, guidable, 1. pr. —Omni= hit 1. oatct ay STOCKS Y vsrtanAr. Bank Stock 1881 £B9l ay Long Ann. x 9 t r-r 6 t 3.46 3 per Cent. Rod. 661 41 India Stock ail 2144 5 per Ccut. Coot 6741 3 Per C. hap. 63; 66 4 per Cent. Z.;: Exchrq. Bilh its pea 5 per Cent. 9) Funded Exche. t • . S per C. 5797 94 971 Of cont. for Ace. 674 An application was on Sativrelay made to the Cnsxero. of the FACIIIrgy ER to XC4prit be would direa the ...... Boners for purchaling Stock towards the estiatioo of the bowl Debt, to boy 4 per Cents. initead of three per Cast the purpofe of affinity the Exchequer Bill Holders. Au arrfwer to this application was returned }Alen:lay, c mmunicated by Mr. Nowt.a:4 la to the Stock Exchaige, which the Cirameaus.oa of the Excu Eve* agreed, that a certain time (we fuppofe during the ibutrhy of Conies) Public Commifflooers thould buy 4 per Celts as well as duced. Thi. notice had the effea of railing the Premium the Exchequer Bilk to xi per Cent. and the 4 per Ceres alfo; but the Canfill felt a depreciation of 4 per Cest. . was to be carded from the preference given to other Stock nuncio, NOVBII.I.2tR 21. 5 per Cents. 95496 90514 per Cent. Grand Can. tort.. Coirfc of Exchange—,Dublin on London 10 U. This morning the fourth Haniburgh Maul came due:their non-arrival can only be anal'. • to the ftrong winds which have lately prevail . or to the fevcrity of the weather, which may hat caufed the Elbe to be frozen up at this early reale- MAJESTY yeUerday, with the Noblemen Eris fuite, rode out on horfeback in Windfor Paz. His Royal Highsnefs the Duke of GLOUCESTE this day completed the Sikh year of his age: which oceafion the ROYAL FAMILY received compliments of the Nobility at Windfor, Earl ST. VINCENT left town yefterday for feat at Brentmo , Eller, for the benefit cf. health. His Lordlip, we are happy to fay, much better. Mr. NEPEAN returned to town yefierday his haufe at Brighton. On Monday Mr..l3aAinG. a was re-eletted ber for Briftol. Mr. CINAIRLE 3 HERBERT FIERREPONT was, Thurfday lab, eledled Member of Parliament the County of Nottingham. The Eherma gave a bumper at Drury-Lane , lab night, and the Piece went off with great r. Yefterday a Special Court of Direaors wash. at the India Houle, to confider finally of the fa jets in difpute between that Court and the 80, of Controul, relative to the Track with India. ' have reafon to believe that the two park; ha not come to an amicable arrangement, and ti' the Winds will come before Parliament. So" thing is expeCted to tranfpire this day. It it moored that Miniflers are themfelves rather vided in opinion. Another Special Court is to held thi.: Yeihrday a Court of DireCtors of the Eat! In' Company was held at the India Houk, which journed to this day. The firtt divifion of EAU, dim fhips are ordered, to he in the Downs on' i tut of nest month. The Honourable the Court of Direllors of Eaft India Company hare been pleafed toes( a dt the s iatilo;ncceersooff pthrieviartreegtrauldaer thtoipths fCootz; ' Commander is permitted to invert on boatel (hip to the extent of fifty-fir tons, out and hi tl:c Officers likewife occupy a certain pro' ort! 1 of tonnage, flue of freight. t w tol tl si. very cc si vhcarvee 4abei nern,, nvcgdbefreonm foughtl‘ad fria, ls Tinarellv country (in the Carnatic), betwra.n Company's forces under Colonel M'Caotty,.l tome native infurgents. In the firlt attack, col. was made with a very inferior force, the Colo tl y's troops were repulfeel with confiderable lo fewer than 59 officers havink (as it is (rid) !- killed and wounded. In the aaa attack our were fucccfsful, and completely routed the is. gents. in 3 field near Birth, between. Caput 1I c A duel was insight on Monday, the 9thminta... biota sow, of the Revolution, and Mr. Joira II aisow, of Bridlington, attended by their free Captain flouvroN and Captain Gni f?".1‘;: ti " They fired at fix paces diitancc, Captain M. t wounded in the left tide ; but immediate aillt. F. having been 1.- afterwards amicably .; th. biee6 tnopberocauprepdre,htelniedreed.is reaThfoen ttlo be:l rn: fettled a; the Bait