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F \ • _k / .? • • • • . . •• • * • ?-* - 111 O F % • • Per C ei rt • fr•• ' 4 4`," 9 ' / . 5. 111 46 . 1 . • • te ''jp:A s.l o 4 41 7 i'` \ 44L k 4' par,. ‘ IIL- Alt •••••.. •••••%. *sr, A * • .• • / 4 / • 1 , . . . - • ' • . . • . TUESDAY, FEBRUARY 15, 1825. NUMBER 11 865 1 PRICE SEVEN. PENCE. THE LOTTERY. PARLIAMENTARY PROCEEDINGS. to the seamen, and their comforts were greatly increased. Be nyan-days (that is days when no animal food was allowed) were entirely abolished, and beef and pork substituted for them. This occasioned a slight addition to the charges. A reduction had been made in the quantity of ardent spirit• formerly allowed, which had been, in the opinion of all naval men, considerably more than was necessary. The large allowance of grog was the source of quarrels and insubordination, and conse queAly rendered it incumbent to multiply punishments. lii order, however, that the seamen might have no rea son fof complaining, the amount saved by diminishing their grog was paid to them in the shape of increased wages. This was about 2s. per month to etch man, of the warrant and petty officers, but there was no increase of wages with the Commissioned and superior Officers, being a saving on the supply of ardent spirits, it would add nothing to the charges. There was another im provement, in authorising the issue of a small advance ' of pay to the seamen when on foreign stations. But this could not he done, except by authority of Ole House, Hand it would make an increase of ta o shil;ings per month. The rise in the price of provisions would add another shilling, making in all three shia ng.s per month each man. The next item of wear and. tear ' or . ships required the additional allowance of 29. per month. Several articles of naval stores were considerably risen in price, particularly iron, which- bad increased 100 per cent. The charge for cordage was the same as last year.—Not apprehending any objection, and reserving to himself the privilege of explanation, he should move the first Resolution. That 29,000 men (including 9.000 men for the marines) be voted fur the thirteen lunar months after the let of January, 18L5. Sir J. YORKE said, that with respect to the change in the mode of victualling the Navy, he should like to bear from the gallant Officer on the second bench (Sir George Cockburn) what advantage had resulted to the Navy by substituting something called tea (which was in fact only clover dust), at the rate of . its. 9d. per pound, for grog? The lion. Baronet (Sir G. Clerk) might rest assured that the broils amongst the sailors would not be put an end to by this diminution of the allowance of grog. He had hoped that in giving up the grog a better substitute would have been furnished without ant additional charge to the Exchequer. Sir G. COCKBURN said, that fronn every quarter of the world the Officers of the Navy were sending home praises of t h e change which had been made in the victualling of theNavy—(Hear, hear). The gallant Officer had made a mistake in supposing that tea was a substitute for grog ; they were independent of each other —(Hear). The granting part of the pay on foreign stations had corrected an evil which he and other Officers felt to be very great. Sailors going on slebre in a foreign port without any money, were ex posed to temptations, and frequently deserted in conse quence. Since the pocket-money was given in the place of grog, no desertions took place. The abolition of banyan. days was another improvement. Formerly flour was given instead of beef. The allowance should have been 6lbs. of beef ; instead of that only 4lbs. were given, the other 21bs. were made up in flour. The whole of our naval system was improved, and he could not understand the ground of the gallant Officer's objections. Sir I. COFFIN defended the diminishing the allow ance earn, which, when so copiously supplied, was the cause of constant quarrels. It was made up for by increased wages, and tea and cocoa were added. distribution of the force, and not the application of the money, which he could assure the Honourable Member was all applied to the wear and tear of the Navy. Sir J. YORKE was glad to hear the explanation. because be thought from what first fell from the Honourable Se cretary, that there was want.: great policy, or something to be k-pt from the knowledge of the /louse. Mr. MABERLEY explained that he had been under the same mistake. BISH, of the Old State Lottery O ffi ces, 4, Cornhill, and 9, Charing Cross, agreeably with his usual custom, pro ceeds to publish at length t he Scheme of the new Lottery ; but previously to canvassing public favour in its support, he is anxious to acknowledge (which he does most gratefully) the very exten sive patronage he experienced in the Lottery just concluded, Ind is happy to be enabled at the same time to congratulate his best friends, the Public, on the Very great success (extraordinary even for him) which attended his Nikes throughout the. late Contract, as will be shewn by the princely List of Capitals sold by him within Three Months. HOUSE OF LORDS, FEBRUARY 14. The LORD CHANCELLOR took his seat on the Woolsack at four, and heard Counsel in the Appeal c.ise of Maule v. Maule. The Earl of SHAFTESBURY presented a Petition from the Churchwardens and Inhabitants of a Pariph in Hampshire, against making further concessions to the Catholics.—Laid on the table. The LORD CHA NCEL LOlt, in introducing a Bill to regulate Scotch Judicature, should trouble their Lordships with no other explanation, after what be had already said on a former occasion upon the subject, than that it was exactly the same measure which had passed through their House last year. If any alterations or amendments were thought necessary, they might be made in the Committee, or during any other part of the progress of the The Bill was then read a first time.—Adjourned. Mr. HUME expressed his surprise that the Honour able Secretary should be afraid of letting the public and foreigners know the destination of our ships, when a Gentleman of the name of Murray, under his express sanction, regularly published a printed list, stating where every ship in the Navy was to be emplo} ed. If, then, the world knew this, where was the reason for keeping it from the House of Commons ? He was quite satisfied that from the manner in which these accounts were kept, considerable alteration was required. Ile had no doubt but that investigation would 'thew, as in other cases, that the money was expended in a manner not intended or understood• by the House. In the expenditure of money he had no confidence at all in the Government ; and he could not conceive what confi dence was necessary to be given for the expense of the wear and tear of vessels. It is with regret, however, that BISH is now compelled to ad vert to the certainty that Lot teries are about to cease in this Coun try altogether. The Chancellor of the Exchequer has disposed of the Last of the Tickets granted by Parliament, and in a few months this mode of adventure will terminate ; in the interim, public opi nion will guide the Contractors in the formation of the remaining Schemes : that which is now submitted, is founded on one of the most popular, and in which more Tickets were sold than in any for many years. It contains Four £20,000 Prizes, and Thirty other Capitals,—there are no Blanks,—and the whole sum of Two Hundred Thousand Pounds in Sterling Money will be distributed in One Day. NEW SCHEME, Forming part of the anal Contract with Government for State Lotteries. ALL IN ONE DAY—TUESDAY, 12th APRIL. 2 - of - £20,100 - are - £40,200 2 - • 20,050 - - 40,100 2 - - 2,000 - - 4,000 4 - - 1,060 - - 4,240 6 - • 525 - 3,150 - 8 - - 510 - - 2,480 10 - 315 - 2,150 10 - - 130 - - 1,300 20 • - 65 - - . 1,300 36 - 30 - - 1,080 NO BLANKS!—As each of the above, and 1 100,000 every other Namber, will have £5, being HOUSE OF . COMMONS. The SPIAXIR took the Chair at four o'clock. Mr. HOBHOUSE presented a Petition from the Dean and Chapter of Westminster, for leave to improve Tothill-fields.—Or dered to lie on the table. Mr. Alderman WOOD presented a Petition from some of the Inhabitants of the City of London, against the increase of Tytlics. Referred to a Committee. Petitions were presented in favour of the St. Catherine's Dacks' Bill: from Rye, by Mr. Kmairr, by Mr. HAI/sins from Bristol and Plymouth, by Mr. BUTTERWORTII from Dover, by Lord BIN- Num from Dartmouth, by Sir Gamma Cusax from Leith, by Mr. Betio from the parish of St. Catherine, and by Sir G. Suirrissa from Newhaven. Ordered to lie on the table and be printed. Mr. BROG DEN obtained leave to bring in a Bill to enable the Equitable Loan Bank Company to sue and be sued, and to enable their Secretary to take out license. Mr. F. BUXTON obtained leave to bring in a Bill to enable the Alliance Marine Insurance Company to sue and be sued in the name of the Chairman, or any of the Members. The same Honourable Member obtained leave to bring in a Bill. to incorporate the Mexican Mining Association; also auother 13111 to incorporate the London Water-Works Company. The Sitartirrs of the City of London appeared at the bar of the Douse with a Petition from the City of London, relating to South wark Jail.—Referred to a Committee. Sir G. CLERK said, that by looking at the expense of former years it would be teen how the money was applied; and upon that average the estimate of the proliective expense Was taken, at so much per head according tads, number of men. He saw no advantage in taking it upon the number of ships, while the latter mode would be open to the objection taken by his Hon. Friend, that foreigners would be made acquainted with the intended employment of our force. Mr. MABERLEY concurred with the Hon. Member for Aberdeen in thinking that all expenditure should be laid before the public, and no confidence given to the Government in such. matters. Was it not sufficient cbnfidence that the Howe granted the money by anticipation ?—The Resolution was then voted. The next was a grant of 94,2.5 u/. for Ordnance of the same service. Mr.HUME made similar objections to this vote, and maintained that the detailed expenses ought to be laid before the House, and not the calculation per man. It would then be found, that much of this money, as he had upon a former occasion *hewn to the House, was expended upon the freemen of Queenborough, one hun dred and sixty of whom were employed by the Govern ment, and thus the seats for that Borough were secured. When this was known to be the case, the subject de manded the strict atteidion of Parliament. linivever he respected the wisdom of our ancestors, he thought the experience of " us moderns," was in many respects superior ; and he particularly ob jected to this system of secrecy with regard to the actions of the Government. It was impossible, from the nature of the accounts, for apy man to see whether this vote was correct or not. Sir G. CLERK said, that the expenditure of the mo ney was clearly applied to the necessary services of the Navy ; and the employment of powder vessels at Queenborough, to carry the powder to the Ships for which it was designed, could not be dispensed with. But, these details came before the House in the Ordnance Estimates. • Mr. MABERLEY thought the re c o u ld b e no time so proper as the present for investigating and objecting to such abuses. It was notorious, that to become a free man of Queenborongh was to obtain a sort of annuity by means of the useless employment given to them by Government in sending their boats with powder up and dawn the Thames. Mr. HUME expressed his intention of taking that - course If the estimate were not altered in another year. Sir I. COFFIN said the details could now be had. Mr..HUMR denied the statement of the gallant Admiral, and declared that he knew nothing about the matter. The Resolution was then agreed to: the Report was ordered to be received to-morrow, and the Chairman obtained leave to sit again on Wednesday. 10,000 Numbers. 4100,000 Two Tickets of each Number. Tickets and Shares for the above Scheme, all to be decided in One Day, the 12th of April, arc on sale at BISH'S Oflict-s, 4, Corahill, and 9, Charing-Cross, where were shared and sold in the short space •f Three 'Months, viz. in October, November, and December last : 2,478 a Prize of 15,756 No. 699 15,301 15,556 And 28 minor Capitals. The Simmers presented another Petition from the City of Lon don, respecting the Tithes collected under the 37th of Henry the Eighth, and praying the House to take it into consideration. Mr. Alderman WOOL) made a few remarks in favour of the Petition; and in reprobation of the system pursued with respect to the tithes in question. Mr. Secretary PEEL said, that in many of the parishes the Clergy and parishioners were on good terms, and in no parish did the Clergymen demand their full tithes—(Hear). In those parishes where they were demanded to their full amount, the per sons so demanding were lay impropriators—(Hear). Mr. CA LCItA FT said, the most grievous case i■ the City was that of a lay impropriator—(llear). He said, that in the matter of St. Andrew's, Holborn, the arrangements made last Session, in a Committee DC the House, had been perfectly satisfactory to all parties. After a few observations from Mr. BUTTZIWORTN, Alderman Barriers, Alderman HEVGATE, Alderman Woos, and Mr. Pm., the Petition was referred to a Committee. ar30,000 A 30,000 £20,000 £20,000 £20,000 TO BE SOLD BY AUCTION, EARLY IN THE SPRING, At Garraway's Coffee-house, London, unless previously disposed of by Ptivate Contract, FrHE very Valuable ADVOWSONS and next PRE -11 to the LIVINGS of UPHILL and BREA M, situate near Weston Super Mare, in the richest part of the C,unty of Somerset, and only 22 miles from Bristol. Uphill consist; of a most excellent Rectory House, Offices, Pleasure Ground, good Garden, and 29 A. 2 a.. 7 r. of rich Glebe Land, and Tithes over 1077 Acres of very rich productive Grass and Corn Land. Bream consists of Twenty-six Acres of rich Gkhe Land, and the Tithes over 11 90 Acres of very rich productive Grass and Corn Land. The present Incumbent of Uphill is between fifty and sixty years of age ; the resent Incumbent of Bream is upwards of eighty years of age. For further particulars apply to Richard E. N. Lee, Esq 43, Linc.)lll s lun-fields and A. Murray, Surveyor and Land Agent, 61, St. Loudoe.—Letters to be post Mr. JElt VOIS presented a Petition from the Town of South- ampton, against the Catholic Association.—Laid on the table. Mr. Alderman WOOD presented a Petition from the Town of Bishop-Stortford, in favour of the Small Debts Bill.—Ordered to lie on the table. Mr. P. M I LDM AY presented a Petition from the House holders of Winchester, against the House and Window Tax.—Or dered to be printed. Mr. LYN DS.I Y presented a Petition from the Notaries Public of Dundee, against the Attornies' Tax.—Ordered to he printed. Mr. BYNG presented a Petition from the Inhabitants of Tot tenham, praying a reduction of the Duty on Coals. Laid on the table. Sir N. COLTHURST presented a Petition from Cork, praying for the repeal of the Duty on Coals sea-borne. Sir J. NEWPORT supported the retition. Ordered to be printed. Mr. HUME presented a Petition from the Practitioners of Law in Brechin, in Scotland, against the Attornies' Tax.—Ordered to be printed. • Mr. HUME moved for a return of the quantity of British Iron exported in the years 1821, 1825, and 1824, distinguishing the quantity in each year, and the countries to which it was exported. Also, a return of the quantity of Foreign Iron imported into Great Britain for the same years, and the amount of duty paid. Also a return of the quantity of Foreign Iron exported from England during the same years. Sir I. COFFIN said, be hoped that the Import Iron Trade would not be thrown open so far as regarded Russia, Inasmuch as the Emperor of Russia had thrown every impediment in the way of the Export Trade to that country.—Ordered. Mr. HUME gave notice of a motion for Wednesday next, to permit the exportation of Machinery. Mr. HUME moved for a return of the Assessment of the Land Tax unredeemed, for the Counties of Middlesex and Surrey, and the Cities of Loudon and Westminster, with sundry details con nected therewith. The. Honourable_ Member said that he hoped Ministers would adopt some measures for the purpose of checking the present extraordinary mode of collecting and disposing of this Tax. As soon as the Returns he had moved for should be granted, he intended to submit. a motion on the subject.—Ordered. Sir J. NEWPORT presented a Petition from Waterford, against the Duty on Seaborne Coals. Ma HUME said, it was incumbent on the Chancellor of the Exchequer to state the intention of the Government on this sub ject, as at present immense quantities of coal, to the amount of 800,000 chaldrons, were annually wasted in consequence of the heavy duty. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said, that he could not make any piecemeal explanations, as he had given notice of a motion o n thi s su bj ec t f or t h e 25:11 of ;his month—(Hear). Mr. LOCKHART presented a Petition from St. Martin's parish, in Oxford, against the House and Window Tax.—Ordered to be printed. Mr. BROGDEN brought up the Report from the Committee of Supply, with certain resolutions for enabling Government to pay of .£30,000,000 of Exchequer Bills, which were agreed to. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER moved the order of the day for the Committee of Supply on the Navy Estimates. Mr. HUME said, that before the House went into a Committee on the Navy F.stinittes, he wished to know what amount of men was to be added to the Army? The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said, that he could not see the necessity of stating, on a motion for a Committee on the Navy Estimates, what was intended to be done in another Committee on the Army Estimates. Mr. HUME repeated his question. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said, that he had no objection to state what he understood was to be the amou:.t, he only objected to the unreasonableness of the demand. He be lieved that an addition of 8,000 men, rank and file, would be moved exclusive of that force the expense of which was to be de frayed by the East India Company.—The House then resolved itself into a Sir J. YORKE said, that he had been completely misunderstood, u he did not make any objections, but only asked for an explanation, that he might know how the thing worked. Sir 1. COFFIN said, that he understood the calling tea brick-dust (so, he believed it was clover-dust), to be an objection., Mr. HUME expressed his satisfaction to hear the gallant Officer (Sir G. Cockburn), admit at last that de- section was an evil, which he had been in the habit of asserting was almost unknown. The w hole of the present naval system was objectionable, on the ground of its not holding out inducements to sailors to volunteer. He, hoped that the alterations which had been made would Prove serviceable to the Navy. The pay of the Navy ought, however, to be greatly increased, for it was wholly inadequate to the wants and merits of the men. The puy was, indeed, so inadequate as to be one great cause of the desertions into► foreign service: it should be aug mented. He was glad to learn that the sear en were to be supplied with a portion of their wages whilst on foreign stations. It often happened that they were absent eight or ten years without receiving a single shilling, except what they got from the Pursers. He hailed this change as the beginning of a more complete and ef ficient one, and trusted that is would not cease until that greatest of all evils, impressment, was done away.—The resolution was put and carried. G LAMORGA NSHI RE. TO BE SOLD BY AUCTION, In Four Lots, By Order of the Assignees of JOHN WOOD, a Bankrdpt, At the Angel Inn, in the Town of Cardiff, On SATURDAY, the 19th day of February next, Between the hours of One and Three o'Clock in the Afternoon of the same day, Subject to such conditions of Sale as shall be then and there produced, ALL that VALUABLE FREEHOLD ESTATE,' comprising the CAPITAL MANSION HOUSE called ROATH COURT; containing Breakfast-room, Dining and Drawing-rooms, capital Kitchens and Cellars, with every requisite attached Office on the ground-fioor • seven best Sleeping-rooms, and four oth e rs f o r s e rvants ; Entrance Lodge, Lawn, and Shrubbery ; walled Gardens well planted ; small Green-house and Gardener's house ; Five-stall Stable, Coach-house, Dog-kennel, Farm-yard, Barn, Cart-stable, Waggon-lodge, and several Pieces of bigbly productive Meadow and P a stur e Land adjoining, and five work. men's Cottages, containing (more or less) 56 A. 1 It. IL P. These Premises, exclusive of the Cottages and one of the Fields, containing about Thirteen Acres, were lately in the occupation of the Rev. J. Monkhouse, at a nett rent of £l5O per Annum, and the Cottages are occupied at rents amounting to £26 ss. per Annum. Also, a most desiraLle FREEHOLD ESTATE, called ItOATH LODGE, consisting of a Modern Villa, containing Dining and Drawing-rooms excellent Bed-rooms, with every necessary attached office; Coach-house Stables, thriving Plantations, good Garden, and Farm-yard, and several pieces of productive Land surrounding the I loose, containing (more or less) 48 A. 0 R. 13 P. The above Premises are in the occupation of John Hill, Esq. for the unexpired term of three years or thereabouts, at the nett rent of £l3O p er A nnum ; an d both Lots are situate in the Parish of ltoath, within one mile and a half of the good Market and Post Town of Cardiff. Sir G. CLERK moved a second resolution—That £923,650 ►e granted for paying the wages (at the rate of .62 9s. per mond' each), of the before voted 29,000 men. After a few words from )&r. Huns, Sir I. Corrnr, and Sir J. YORNE, the resolution was carried. The next vote was for a Grant of £603,200 for victualling the same number of men.—Agreed to. The next was a Grant of the sum of £320,450 for the wear and tear of the Fleet. Mr. HUME objected to the vote, because the esti mate gave the Howe no data upon which an opinion of its correctness could be formed. He objected to the calculation being made per man, and submitted that, for the future, the Hon. Baronet should take the expense upon the number of ships em ployed in the service of the year. Sir G. COCK BURN said, that the estimate was made upon the average number or men employed in the different years, and he saw no other means of ascertaining the probable expense, depending, as it did, upon accident. Sir J. YORKE said, that the terms wear and tear had been in vogue many years, without having any` distinct meaning. As there v►ere so many Commis sioners of the Navy, be thought it a pity that the expenditure in eluded in this vote, could not be placed under more proper heads. Also, a valuable Freehold Farm, called TY YN Y COED, situate iii the Parishes of R oa d s an d St. John the Baptist, Cardiff, and (together with other Lands), in the occupation of Mr. Robert Thomas, as Tenant, from year to year, and consisting of a Farm House and all necessary Outbaildings, and several pieces of Arable, Meadow, and Pasture Land, containing (more or less) 90 A. 3 R. 27 P. Also, a Freehold Farm, called TYR MA B ELLIS, situate in the Parish of Lantressant, consisting of a Farm House and capital Outbuildings, and several pieces of Arable, Meadow, and Pasture Land, let to William Jenkins, as Tenant from year to year, at the nett rent of £45 and containing (m ore eir less) 68 Acres. Also, a Freehold Field, known by the name of PI MP EWR, situat e in the Parish of St. Bride's Major, near the Village of Sontherdown, in the occupation of Evan Griffith,, Esq. under an agreement for a Lease f o r an unex pi re d term of Eighteen Years, at the annual rent of X 7, containing (more or less) 5 A. For a view of the Premises, apply to Griffith Lloyd, Esq. Crock herb Town, Cardiff. For Particulars to Messrs. Basset, Solicitors, Bonvilstone, near Cardiff; Mr. Lyon, Solicitor, Great Russell -street, Bloomsbury; Air. Crosland, Solicitor, Broad -street; and A. Murray, Surveyor and Land Agent, 61, St. Martin'-lane, Strand, London. FOR CORNS, BUNIONS, &c. J. ORRIS'S ROYAL BRUN SWICK CORN PLASTER, prepared from a Recipe belonging to her late NIAJCiTY, is an excellent Remedy for eradicating Corns, cnd giving relief to those who have hard fleshy substances at the bottom of their feet, without the least pain or inconvenience, and will prove a very useful Family Plaster for fresh Wounds and Scalds, likewise for Bunions. Prepared by G. Moans!, Chemist to the Royal Fa- mily, Kensington. L. Sold in boxes at Is. lid. and 28.9 d. by Butler, Chemist, No. 4, Cheapside, St. Paul's ; Savory and Co. 136, New Bond -street, and 220, Regent.street, London ; and by the principal Medicine Venders throughout the Cnited Kingdom. Of whom also may be had. Psuar's &sinter, which has been declared in highly respectable liedical Journals, to be the " best thing ever discovered for the Touch and Ear Ache." In Bottles, ls, 1 id.and 2s. 9d. N• l 3. be careful to ask for MOKILIN'S BRUNT.WiCIL CMui PLASTik ai! l'aliar's Lull:calor the Tanh-Ache. • . COMMITTEE OW SIMPLY. Sir GEO. CLERK observed, that as the number of osen to be voted this year in the Navy Estimates was the same as for the last year, it would not be necessary for him to detain the House long. It was impossible to lessen that number in consequence of the growth an: extent of the national commerce, and because our new foreign telations in South America require some naval force to protect the trade in that quarter from the in juties which it might suffer from the conflicting parties there. Although the nest of pirates in Cuba had been extinguished, yet they wets not yet wholly extirpated, And a considerable force was still necessary for the pro tection of trade in that quarter of the West Indies. But &hough the number of men to be voted was the same as last year, still there was an addition to the charge, the cause which he would briefly explain. A change had been made last year in the mode of victualling the Navy, by which a Letter guilty of food was suprlie. Mr. CROK ER stated, that there could be no objec• tion, and never had beep, to state to the House the prices of stores and other materials, the want of which could be anticipated. But such a detail as the Honour able Member seemed to waist, would include a state- nsent of the nature of the service in which the money was to be employed in the succeeding year,which, for political reasons, it would be imprudent to make ; and on that account the pewit rote had been generally considered as a vote of confidence. Ile would ask whether. even in this time of profound peace, it would be proper to publish a statement by which fo reigners, who might afterwards become our enemies, should be made aware of the scheme of employment for our naval service all over the word ? If any Gentleman entertained a jealousy as to the price of stores, as he had before said, there would be oppor tunities for objecting to them. Mr. MABERLEY had never heard such an explana tion of a vote as that given by the Honourable Secre. tary to the Admiralty since he sat in Parliament ; and should think necessary to make it the subject of a distinct motion. 'Hier were told that the House was called upon to give the Go vernment confidence for the application of the sum included in this vote. It was called for under the head of wear and tear; and it was easy enough to understand what that meant. But they were now told by the Honourable Gentkman that something further was dopy with the money, of which the louse knew nothing. bIr.'CROKER Lat.!, thAt whit :le s m oke of was the . ASSOCIATIONS IN IRELAND. Mr. GOULBURN moved the Order of the Day 1 , r resuming the debate upon the motion for leave to bring in a Bill to amend the law relating to unlawful Associations in Ireland. Mr. G. LAMB said, that he felt a natural desire to state his opinion to the House upon a topic which had justly claimed so large a share of its attention, and of the attention of the country. It appeared to him that, notwithstanding the length to which the debate had extended, the provisions of the proposed Bill had still been left in considerable obscurity. He agreed with the Right Honourable and Learned Attorney-General for Ireland, that those who framed the Convention Act of 1792 had a full regard for the Constitution. He would not use a phrase which had lately got much into vogue (and one possessing more no-meaning he bad scarcely ever met with), he would not say that the framers of that act respected the 'spirit of the Constitution ;' but did they shew a becoming re spect for the practice of the Constitution, which had not been followed upon the present occasion.— The Convention Act contained a provision which stated that it should net operate to prevent the meeting of the people to obtain a redress of grievances. Now he had beard of no such provision in the Bill about to be pro posed, and thus, for the firs; time they were called upon to legislate against a right hitherto considered inalien able and indestructible. Whatever had been the conduct of the Catholic Association, its origin was created by the existence of grievances, and its object was to obtain redress for them. That men should associate for such a purpose was clearly constitutional : and if they pro ceeded to unwarrantable measures, the King's Attorney General should be content with watching .them, and stepping in when occasion demanded the earrei:e of the powers vested in him by the law. The Attorney-Gene ral had indeed watched them ; but all they had to com plain of was, that he had used too much vigilance, and preferred indictments against acts which were not in dictable. And now the House was called upon, as in the case of the bottle and rattle assassination, to supply an apology, then by enquiry, and now by Bill, for his de fective law and worse discretion. The Hon. Member then argued that the conduct of the Government towards the two parties in- Ireland, had no pretension to the im partiality which they claimed for it. It was clear too, that the Orangemen thermelves might complain with much justice of the proresed measure. —They might say n a r t y the and Gner i n u m pp e co n i t t , e You haveate g given repayingusby f orputting tg r c I ) us down, not for any acts which we have committed. but for the mi.conduct of our opponents." But why bad l Orangemen they inn heard gem en that House? of this Because t b e t y fr i end s of th e 1,1 knew ei that the Bill would not reach them , and that it ss ould t hi a n t. operate against the Catholics alone. They knew them selvesto be so strongly fortified in their illegal secrecy, so long understood and so long practised—as to be be yond the teach of this or any other law. Ile nest came to the orarfruten of the elm. ge against the Catholic As sociation; he meant that wilt ill the speeches on the other (hear, hear).—He contende ,•- tich had beeti c'escribed in I. side as levting uses. Id that there WAS no • -