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how rejoice in the ranger tsat fleet, forte MA budder at the confequences that were likely vile from the ufurpation of Touraint; or Coffering the fyftcm he was endeavouring to taa bliffi to exit. That event, therefore, intlead of being a matter of regret to Minifters, or to the country, as a fubjed of gratification. Had, in deed, the .advice of the Right Hon. Gentleman and Ms friends been attended to, Minilters mutt now have been &hie& to the molt painful felf-re prnaelt. The third point of the Right Ho nourable Gentleman related to the differences, as he fuppofed, between the Preliminary Arti cles and the Definitive Treaty, and in this he par ticislatly objelted to the fettlement of the debt due by France to us for the maintenance of her prifoners during the war, alledging that the had no right to demand from us any allowance for the rapport of certain Ruffian prifimers and others, but be would ffibmit it to the decifion of any candid Man, whether thofe are not to be confidered as prifoners entitled to (itch allowance, who were, in fag, soldiers in our pay, and under our commit!, as much as our own troops, which was the cafe in this infiance? and he could affure the Hon. Gentleman, that this fettlement was not concluded without confulting with the moft intelligent per- Cons—with thole who were belt qualified to give every information as to the law and pradice upon fuch oecafions. He doubted alfo whether this let- Clement differed from that which he underftood was intended by the late Adminiltration of this! country, when preparing for Peace : but perhaps the Right Hon. Gentleman had a different opini on upon that, as well as upon other projctts of his late colleagues. Upon this, however, he did not nican to lay any particular ftrefs. To the Right Eon. Gentleman's arguments as to Malta, he believed the ftrongeft oppofition would be the Antimcnts of the Maltefe themfelves, who pro-, feted to be perfedly .satisfied with the arrange ment that was made to render them independent of England or France ; and certainly as far as Oas poffible they were fo. The Right Honourable Gentleman was diftontented with the word 4 , So vereignty," introduced into the treaty refpeding the Cape of Good Hope. If there was any thing objedionnble in that term, his Majesty's Minifters were to blame, for by their advice it was inferted. Whether the stipulation as to !hipping to be admit ted into that port, including thofe of Spain, could withhold any important advantage from this coun try, might be matter of doubt with Tome, but with thofe who had opportunity of judging, there was, he understood, no apprehenfion of the leaf& injury to us from this stipulation. The fourth point of the Right Honourable Gentleman referred to what be called new articles in the Definitive Treaty— Or rather the omission of any article to revive the Commercial Treaties exiting before the war:— but he begged it to be underftood that this was not an omiffion from inadvertency, but a thing willingly and advifeely done—for Minifters would hold themfelves culpably inattentive to the inte lefts at the Empire; if under the prefent eircum fiances df Europe they propofed the continuance of that. Treaties. He mentioned this chiefly in order to do away a rumour somewhere pro pagated, that a propofition to that effe& was made by the Bridal Negotiator and rejelted— When; in truth, no fuch propofition was made , by either party. With refpe& to the merit of aide Treaties themfelves, he &mid not now go into them • but he felt a perfed confidence that in the pe rufal of the Treaty of 5783, end the Convention of 1787, would be found a complete eiplanation and jollification of the policy which influenced the conduit of Minifters in this omit: Bon. Our Rights were as perfeet and as &cure now as they could be by any Treaty. France bad no claims that could dillurb them, par. ticularty with regard to the Rights of the India Company. Upon the fubjed or cutting logwood at Honduras. The Right Hon. Gentleman did not dilate fo much as might be espeded from the manner in which he treated other parts of his Rate ment ; that right, however, there was no danger of our forfeiting—it was a right we had exercifed before the war, and no interruption of it was pro duced by the war, nor did we concede it by the peace, the Antbaffador of the Power to which it belonged, not even expreffing a with that we Ibould. The Right Hon. Gentleman clofed his fpeech by an &nation to the cafe of the Prince of Orange, complaining that the head of that illustrious Node was not recognized as Prince of Orange by France in the Treaty ; but the fa& was, that no Govern ment in France fincethe Revolution in that coun try ever acknowledged that Prince as Prince of Orange. That the article in the Treaty refpeding the compenfation to be provided for that Prince, was not as explicit and fatisfadory as might be wilhed, he (Mr. A.) molt fineerely regretted ; but no omiffion could be attributable to his Majefty's Minitters. Whatever the Right Hon. Gentleman might have faid of the credit and capital of Eng land, he trulted it would never be tinderftod in the limited fenfe in which it might be applied on'Change —it would in that fenfe only be degrading as ap plied to a great nation—and perhaps there never was a country in the world to which it applied in a larger fenfe than to Great Britain ; and he mat ed the would ever fultain the prou diftindion : of this he was fore, that there never was a treaty concluded under fuch difficult circum stances, in which that credit and capital was more honourably afferted and maintained ; it was fo thought by our allies, who witneffed with gratitude our attention to good faith, to their interests, and to the dignity of our own charafier. As to the principle of the motion of the Right Honourable Gentleman, he had no ob- , jet ion—his only °Whoa was to the day. The , interefts of the country were too much involved in this important difeuffion, to allow the public mind to be kept fo long in fufpenfe. He did not know that the Right Hon. Gentleman could procure any advantage from the delay. Did lie propore to prevent the flipulated reftitutions If he did, he (Mr. A.) believed fuch a propofal would not be countenanced by that Houle or the country.— Thinking from every confederation that delay pro. inifed no good, and that it migh t be productive of much im;ouvenience and mif, 'el, he moved an . • • sumatim ettt to hart the words-- 11 Midday the Hit inf." The motion being feconded, Mr. T. eltEri WILL II remarked, that the Right Hon. Gentlethan who had juft fat down, admitted the importance of this queltion ' and the variety of great i nterefts it embraced, yet he refilled the pro polition of a very abort interval for deliberation, before the Houfe should come to any decifion upor, it—an interval which he (Mr. G.) thought ob vinufly neceirary to examine and to judge upon the teveral points hated by his Right Hon. Friend (Mr. W ) It was, in fad, impoffible to folio* his Right Hon. Frie nd through all the detailed in. formation which his fpcech contained, in a &often time than t+ days. If it was meant to meet the queftion fairly and manfully, let there be a rea fonable time for previous confederation. The pre cipitation propofed by the Right Hon. Gentleman on the Treafury Bench, put him in mind of an obfervation once made by a friend of his in that Houfe, and applied to st fimilar batty proceeding— that fuch hurry refembled the fentiments of Chil dren, when obliged to take naufeons potions, they wiffied to fwallow them at one gulp. He appealed to the confciences of the Houfe, whether they could come prepared to vote on this fnbjea with. out Much confideration ?—a fubjed on which even the Right Hon. Gentleman expelled the Houfe to fufpend their judgment. Lord HAWIESSOURY taw no neceffity for a longer delay than that propofed by his Right Hon. Friend, becaufe the public mind was agitated,and anxious as to what the opinion of Parliament might be.— With refped to the Right Hon. Gentleman's divi lion of the points which were to he confidered, in to four, they might more properly be &tired into two divifions—namely, the alterations which had taken place 'ince the figning of the Preliminary Articles, and whether there alterations were fuch as fhould induce his Majefly's Minifters to break off the negociation' Into thole queftions he fhould not now enter,but whatever there alterations were, they were long fence fo notorious, that it would be ridiculous an any Gentleman to pretend that he was not fully acquainted with them, and had not made up his mind upon them. It was impoffible to fay that the information for which the Right Hun. Gentleman meant to apply, was fuch as it would be proper to grant—in jultice, the Treaty ought to (peak for Will; fuch was the language when the American Treaty was dircufred. The Right Hon. Gentleman over the way was in the Houfe at that period, and be mutt recoiled that when the Noble Lord in oppofition moved a vote of eenfure on Minifters for that Treaty, he faid, that if they had any papers to produce to explain or jollity it, they might, but that the Treaty on the face of it was robed, he could not help con demning it. No direa application was then made for_ papers or information to Minifters. Mr. WINDHAM raid, there were many branches of trade, with refped to which he fhould move fhr papers, which perhaps could not be procured within the period propofed by his Right Hon. Friend; and alto many quellions to put that might provoke debates. There he fhould think necefrary, an order that Gentlemen might go perfectly pre pared to the final dircuffion. The Cuenca:A.oa of the ExcHactpaa thought it due to the time of the Houfe, and expelled it from the Right Hon. Gentleman's candour, that he would now date the Papers he intended to• move for, and the nature of the info: mation he feemed to think need:any. As to his reqtieft that the Hoare fho'ald fufpend their judgment, which had been alluded to by a Right Hon. Gentleman, he meant only upon the flatements of the Right lon. Gentleman (Mr. W.) Mr. Waist:man did not come prepared with a lift of the neceffary papers in his pocket, but ap prehended the objections to his motion would be merely as to form. Mr. PITT expreffed a hope that his Right Hon. Friend would come prepared by to-morrow, to de fcribe the kind of information he thought neceffary upon this queflion. It did not indeed appear from his fpeech, that he wanted any materials to make up his opinion. He feemed to be furnifhed with quite fufficient to guide his own judgment. If he had any difficulties to folve, it was Purely definable to have them folved as loon as poffible. He fhould be quick to ark, becaufe it might take tome time to anfwer. If the Right Hon. Gentleman wifhed for the production of the feveral Treaties, in order to appreciate the value of the omiffiou in the late Treaty—if he Milted for thofe of Weftphalia, Ryf wick, &c. a fortnight would be rather a Sort pe riod for thole to examine fuch Treaties who had not yet looked at them. If he thought any dircuffion neceffary to afcertain our rights in India, that country, which formed one great feature of our empire's profperity—which was one of the main pillars of our Sovereignty, and one of the great di vifions ofour refonrces--that country, whore nghts be (Mr. Pitt) trailed no Briton could entertain a doubt of, and of which no ground for contentious argument, or planfible cavi fhould be left in the minds of any enemy pr rival, we could not come to that difcuffion too foon. It interefted mate rially the feelings and the importance of the country, that no doubt Mould cell on that head—if there did, he fhould count the mo ments with uneafinefs until the day of dircur lion fhould arrive to remove them. He however knew too well the opinions of his Right Hon. Friend below him, to apprehend that one particle of our Rights in India would be furrendered—thofe Rights which we had poffefred before the war— which in the courfe of the war we had ftrenithen ed and augmented, and which we had not conced ed with the peace. As to the fubje& of the pence in general, at was, in truth, now that all the falls were before us, a quellion of reafoning, and conarudion. There wasno queflion about new fads—there were none to be fought for. Recur ring again to India, be admitted that his Right Hon. Friend Idid not attempt to maintain that the French had any jai claims in that quarter, which (till remained to be fettled ; indeed they never could have any oppofed to our intent}, ostlers by treaty or by grant—the latter mull have been from the Great Mogul, and of courfe done away, now that we are become the Sovereigns of ' India isallead of the Mogul. Any claim they • • might have a time by the Treaty of 1783—the Convention of 1787 did away—land the concep tion of that convention Rill retrained in full fOrce —at leaft it would be alloived that no rival would be ib prepofterous as lo urge a claim in India bp pofire to our intereft or will. Conceiving that a prompt dilcuffidn was neceffary upon this queltion, he would fupport the Amendment. Mr. WINDHAM and Mr. PITT mutually tx plained.t The amendment was agreed to. Sir W. ELLIOT gave notice that he would on Wednefday next move for certain papers reflleet ing, the Definitive Treaty. The CHANCILLOR of the Excnutysit requefied to know what thefe papers were ? Mr. Exttor anfwercd that he was not nnw pre pared to fay, but he would to-mod-mi. +NZ LATE HINISTER.S. Mr. SHERIDAN expreffed a with that the Ncible Lord over the tvay, would defer his motion co ap prove the condua of his Majefty's late Minifters, till after the Definitive Treaty Should be decided on. He alfo tequefted it as a matter of accommo dation to tome friends of hid, who wiffied to attend that dircuffion. He regretteti that he did not fee an Hon. Member in hts place, whofe Motion of cootie alto Rood for the fame day as that of the Noble Lord's. Lord BELGIAVE faid, the abfence of the Hon. Member alluded to, tendered it impollible for him to accede to the reqtieß of the Hon. Gentleman, as both motions Rood for the fame day, Indepen dent of that,however much he might with to acorn. mutate, he fa* no reafon for deferring his motion. Mr. OM thought it would be neceltnry for the Noble Lord to make his motion more fpecific. He was rather at a lofs to divine the precife meaning of it as it Rood entered on the books—whether It means to approve the whole of a part of the con duEt of the lace Adminißration. Lord BELCIAVE confidered the wording of the motion fufficiently explicit. Mr. Titan xv [diced, if the Noble Lord's motion meant to approve the whole of the condud of the late Adminitlration, which !ailed [7 years—whe ther it was meant to pafs a vote of approbation on the condud of the Duke of Richmond and Lord Thurlow? Befides it would be recollefled that tome of the fanguine friends of the latter years bf the late Adminifirstion, were among its moil zealous oppofers at another period, therefore the Noble Lord had better revile his motion, or there might be forne difference of opinion among thofe from whom he perhaps expels fupport. Lord BILORAVE remarked, that his motion re lated only to the condul of the late Adminifiration during the War.—Adjourned. LONDON. TUESDAY, MAY 4. PRICE OF STOCKS THIS DAY AT ONE O'CLOCK : 3 per C. Cont money, ydif--for May account, 77. Reduced 73};—New I per Cent. sos I—Old ditto to 3-- Long Ann. sti-.-Oniniuns !RIC& OF STOCKS YESTERDAY : Bank Stock 3 per Ct. Red. 736/ 3 per Ct. Conf. 76111 4 per Cent gti i 3. pet C. A. 104 103 3 per C. Ann. 1797 1031 1..00/ Ann. it 9•16 7•1 Short Ann. s t-t 6 India Stock oast 226 oast I*►P 3 Per Cent 744 74 Imp. Ann. lif 3-16 Eseheq• Bills 6s. to 7a. prem. 011111113 M 31 4 prem. Conf. for May 77 The debate in the Hoare of Commons laft night on the fubjed of the Definitive Treaty, though fttort, was interesting. Mr. WINDHAM Rated his objeaions to it with his nfnal force, and alluded particularly to an article on the Treaty of Amiens, which appeared on the 25th of April in a literary mifcellany (the Merl-erre de Frame), publiihed once every ten days under the immediate patron. age of the French Government. As the article, which is an attempt to demonftrate that the De. finive Treaty is more favourable to France than the Preliminaries, is interefting in itfelf, we have laid a translation of it before our readers, in the form of a note to that part of Mr. WINDN•M'S fpeech which alludes to it. This morning we received Paris Journals of the IR infant. Their contents are not of much importance. Letters from Berlin Rate thather Royal Highnefs the Hereditary Princefs of Orange received oa the tzth of laa month difpatches from the Prince at Paris, and that the immediately fet out for Potz dam. According to letters from Vienna Count de Mocamioo, formerly Ambafador from Ruffia to Florence, and recalled by Paul I. is going to Corfu on a particular miffion from bis fovereign. A letter from the Banks of the Mein, dated April 34th, fays, the marriage of the Prince(' CHAILOTTI of Hebb Ca&l with the hereditary Prince of Saze-Gotha Is to be celebrated this day at Cad. Count de Woaoazow, Ambalfador of Ruffia to his Britannic Malay, arrived on the a tit at Cologne, and neat day continued his journey to Peteriburgh. Tier: Congo& 56 E. 85 c. Yeaerday a Wardmote was held for the eleaion of an Alderman of Ca(tle•Baynard Ward, in con feinence of the refignation of Mr. Ham. The Candidates were Mr. Rtosv. linen-draper, of Lud. gate Hill. and Mr. P. Mawsu. when the thew of hands being in 'favour of Mr. Rum, he was de• dared duly elected. On Saturday lalt, at the molt numerous Meet ing of Freeholder that ever was alfembled at Cambridge on fnch an occafion, Lord Cuaat.as Somas's. Manures and Sir HURT Parrot. were nominated to reprefent that County in Parliament, on the vacancy occalloned by the death of Gene ral AMAMI, when the Sheriff declared a decided majority in favour of Lord CHARLES SOPIRRSET MAWS ses.--The numbers were upwards of five to one in hie Lordilip's favour. ~~.. §Peilaiird NE' itatuctr FIRM SPRINd AtErtmiti. MONDAt, MAY 3. Sweeptiakes of [Cogs. 9 acl) h. ft; Ab. M. Ld Milfunoivn's c. Pk Nic, by Mr.Tcark, Bft. 31b. Mt. fleathcote'sc. by PotBos, out of Brighton Bulk. BR. 71b. a Mt.paw(on'S e. by_Mr. teazle, out of Purity , SR. 4 1 ) . 3 Five to 2 on Pic Nic. StvecOlsiktis of acogs. each, h. ft. Acrofs the Fiat. . . I.d. bakington's Maly Moloch, Bft. Mr. Watfon's Oaolet, 71t. t3lb. - a D. of Grafton's Flauibeau, 711. z3tb. 3 Sit C. Buubury's Eleanor, BR. 31b. Thirteen to 8 agft. Muly Moloch—='s to 2 ?el. Gaoler-6 to I Agit. Flambeau-;-.7 to z agii. Eleanor. Sweepitakes of toogq: ea6h o ii: ft. fbr 5 yr. olds. I). I. bir. Lord's Ligeturit vita, Mt rib. . I Mr. Golding s PeaCC Maker, 6ft. Sib. - - 2 Mi. Pk-races Allegranti, 6ft. t 21h. - 3 1.4. Sackirillek Dick Andrews, Ult. slb... .' 4 Three to t Aga. Lignum Vits-8 to z agft. Peace Maker—to to t aglt. Allegranti-a to i on Dick Andrews. Mr. Fletcher's Allegranti, BR. 51b, beat Mr. Wilfon's Sophia, 81t. sib. /34 C. tooogs.-11 to 8 on Allegranti. Mr. Whaley's Tuneful, 7 a. t Ilb. beat Mr. Heming's Fugilitt, 611 41b. Firlt half of Ab. M. gogs.-6 to 4 on Tuneful Mr. F. Neele's Hippona, 911. 31b. rcc. ft. from Mr. Cos's Itigadoon, ytt. ACTOI . S the Fla, wogs. h. ft. NAUTICnL in'TELLIGENCE. PORTSMOUTH, MAY 3. Yeaerday failed the AcASTA, of 40 guns, Capt. WOODS, fur the Mediterranean; CLYDE, of 28 cruns, Capt. CUNNINGHAM ; LILTOPIA, of 38 guns, Capt. Sol-omm, on a cruise; and St. Mary's Planter, GALES, for Qiiebec. This morning came up the Am cu SCADS frigate, Hon. Capt. Cow/ILL:4 from St. Helen's to Spithead. Went out of har. bour the Princefs Royal, M‘Dosacip, bound to London; and the Portland convict Chip: the is to be Rationed at Langaone harbour, to receive con. vies on board. Arrived Drummond, Youso, from Hamburgh, bound to Leghorn. SHEERNESS, MAY j. Paired by from Chatham his Majeity's Hoop of war A LON Zo, with difcharged feamen for fre:and. Sailed his Majeay's frigate JAMAICA, Capt. Rose, on a cruize ; and Sorlings Surveying Sloop, for Harwich ; likewife the Hot/ ND !loop of war; Wtt- LtAM armed fhip; and the Loc yin- gun-brig, for the river; Wind N. E. Blows hard. FROM LLOYD's LIST. DEAL, MAY 3.—Sailed through the Downs, the Eliza, CAMPBELL, for Africa, and feveral other outward boQnd veffels. Wind N. N. E. GRAVESEND, MAY 3.—Paired by, the Duck worth, THOMAS, from Martinique ; Thetis, Jew- N £TT, from Leghorn ; Bonetta,—, from Malta ; Ann, SALINER, from Dantzic ; Requeft, SILBER, from Oporto ; Vrow Gattley, —, from Memel; Mary, PATTERSON ; Statenburg, BAKER ; Sever Kite, —; and Jonge Jan, —, from Rotter dam.—Sailed the Bulh and Dreghorue, WILLIAM, for Bilhoa ; William, GA 111)11 an, for New York; Hoop, Jonge, for Antwerp; Henrietta Antonetta, —, fur (Mend ; and Jonge Margaretta, Vassam, for Deippe. His Excellency the LORD LIEUTENANT of Ire land gave a fuperb entertainment at Dublin Caine on Monday fe'nnight, at which dined a number of perfonages of the firli diftinaion—among whom were his Grace the Duke of La ea rr sa, and his brother, Lord ROBERT FITZGERALD. His Excellency held a Privy Council at the Cattle on Tuefday WI, when Lord Chancellor Reims- DALE was (worn of the Privy Council, and took his place accordingly. A curious diplomatic correfpondence has taken place between the SECRETARY of STATE, Lord Moro, General PAw.i, and Mr. PoLLoc it, upon the Cubic& of a Mum. It was occafioned by a charge, in the accounts of the Civil Lift debts laid before the Houfe of Commons, of 30001. for a por trait alledged to have been prefented to General Paot.t, but which that General denies he ever re ceived. Lord MINTO, who was ordered to pre fent the pieure, fays he received a box Rated to 'contain faid piCture; but that the box was empty and contained no fuch tenant. How the faid piCinre 'made its efcape, where it is hiding, or whether it will appear in the next exhibition at Somerfet houfe, nobody knows: all that can be faidfatip. fairy upon the fuhjea is, that General PAOLI did am receive the pi&ure, and that John Bull mutt pay 30001. for it ! FOR ACCOUNT OF THE MANUFAC fURk.RS, linempt how tk Medea-Duty, agreeable to Ad of Par TO-MORROW, the sth of May, ana, at Five o'Cloek in the Afternoon, PETER DE BRAUWER and Co. will up to PUBLIC SALE, at the Manufacturer's Warehoufes, No. 154, Alderfgate-greet—The following valuable Atort moot of BRITISH-MANUFACTURED PIECE GOODS. Woo Pieces Plain Jacconeta, Books, Mulls and Donna Sono Plain, figured, printing, and fancy Cambria and 2500 Fancy, Book. &e. Lappltts, Tambours, Japans, Ste. 200 0 --- Fancy Lappet, Hulled, cbeck'd, Sac. Shawls. , roe Book, Lappet and Balaton Handkerchiefs. ` 1500 -- Pullicate and Madras Handkerchiefs. 700 —. White and Printed Calicoes, and Shawls. aect --- Dimities, (tithing% Mullineta, and Gingham. ip Diaper Table Linen, Huckabaeks, Scotch Hui land and Sheeting. Alto a large Afforonent of WOOLLEN GOODS; eonn ing of ro Plata Superfine Well Country &Harlem, BMA Cloths, Swandowns, Ste. and a gtcat Variety of other Goode. To be viewed from Monday, the 3d of May, uatil chr•'ale and Catalogues may at the fame time be had at the Watt& inks in Aiderfgate-ftroet; at the New York and Tom's Wein Hottfes; and of W. Purdy and Soo, Sworn Brokers, No. 48, Mark-lane. N. B. Part of the above Presnifes we appropriated for Cot -k ton Yarns of all forts, Water and Mule Twilt, and Weft, of which P. De for and Co. receive Confirming, and ere. cute Orders for the Landon,Scotch, and Foreign Markets. Wm. MAYNE Agent for this Banners at Glafgow, will give any informailon wanted to fuck Manufadturws there, u nay wtik to mega Goods for *ode Sulu