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- 7 P4RIAMENI.IAr PROCEEDAIGS. HOUSE OF LORDS, JUNE 9. On the motion for the firft reading of a Bill from the Commons, for Lnclofiug certain Com mons and Forells belonging to the Crown. Lord Tntiatow Paid, this Bill involved in it certain rights of private property, and therefore it ought to be referred to the twelve Judges. Lord Rossi.vii was of a different opinion. He raid it was a Bill of great confequence, and of great utility to the Public, and the Law Officers of the Crown had very liberally acceded to it. It could not be confidered as an Eflate Bill, and he therefore faw no occafion to refer it to the Judges. The LORD CHANCELLOR obferved, that fince he was placed on the Woolfack an order was made that he fhould not put any motion contrary to the flanding orders of the Houle. It was a queftion then with him, whether by moving the fitft read ing of this Bill, he fhould not as againf that or der ? He had never Peen or heard of this Bill till yeflerday, and he was prevented by indifpofition from reading it until be came down to the Houfe that Day ; he could not, therefore, (peak pofi tively as to its nature : but fo far as he was, in fo fhort a (pace of time, able to judge, it ap peared to hint that a private individual was in terefled in part of the lands that were to be en doled. The Bill Rated, that it was not certain whether a certain Common belonged to the King or to a Gentleman named Joddrell. If that, therefore, was not a point which involved a quef tion of private property, he knew not what did. Thus much he thought proper to fay, in order that he might not, by patting the queftion for the firft reading, break a (Landing order of the Houfe. He fhould be guided entirely by the -pi nion of the Houfe. The Earl of RADNOR raid, he thought the Bill •vas fuel) as was fisted by the Noble•and Learned Lord on the Woolfack. The Bill was then ordered to be referred to the twelve Judges. Counfel was heard againft the Greenock Har bour Bill ; and the further hearing was put off till to-morrow. Mr. BRILOGI brought up from the . Commons a Meffage, requefting that the Lords would from time to time tranfmit to the Commons copies of all the Standing Orders which, they fhould make relative to the enclofure, drainage, &c. of Waite Lands. On the motion of the Duke of BIDTOILD, an Order was made for complying with the requeft of the Commons. The frith Diftillery Bill, the Sheernefs Pier Bill, and feversl other public and private Bills were broiight up from the Commons.—Adjourned. HOUSE OF COMMONS. Str Ragusa Gannon brought up the Report of the Wei einem jail BM. A Petition was prefented foam Mr. Bedford, Solicitor to Mn. Addifon, Rating that Mr. Addifon was at Hamburgh, and could Dot be ferved with a Copy of Mrs. Addifon's Divorce Bill; it prayed therefore that Stake upon Mr. Smith, Mr. Addifon's Solidtor, might be cemedered good ferrite. On the motion to agree with the prayer of the Petition, Mr. puma oVe.,- a to it. It was hipper/cid by Mr. W. Downes, Mr. Pullet POINT, Mr. GAILTNIINOIL I, and Mr. 311.1001. The motion was agreed to. naive& went into a Committee upon the Mailers and Bertroole Eft die Raper was received, and the further cone end= to Thrift next. In the inteemonote time else albs le W. Postern awe seder, that he &sued am nighty wen meet* hoe Pews Mediu sodas BalliedleOleepaay. The Chews Mies Illaway 111 was reed a Sewed thne, arid seamihted for TWA* lir.llltiatess idenned the Houfe that be had communicated ad Com aN et LC: es to emit r, Capin eight Reports elf dm aktee es frank for pratelats refrain, the ellgellk of Se hi Y the Houk dCraussee ; sifo a Cloy eras avowdths Cheawilles es the tehied of Mb. Wane sea Ileutple up the Repels af the Committee of V., The refeledens were read, and their farther cooed*. • bed der tiotirsow. Aseirre breeeht up a BM to regulate Copyright in bawd. which wee rend a Mt, and ordered to be read a faced atm MlTloselap. The kik pkwsbers Tax Exemption Bill was read a fecund Ilan. sad ammedteed for to-morrow. The C Anewanee Bill was read a fecond time, and emoodleed fir Paw. The Mtn plank the Importation of Tea into Ireland Duty free, was reed a lire, and ordered to be read a fecood time to fenTOW. Mr. VAIIIIIITTART obtained leave to bring in a Bill to indas- Mk hid pedlar, as may have printed hand-bills, ace. for an Mee er Mow wader the Government, without affixing their =and pews of abode, as prefcrihed by the Ad of the gith mina Maiefty. • TM Malta Trade was read a fecond time, and committed tor taw:crow. SCOTCII SURVIXS. Sir Joon Stnexase moved an Addrefs to his Majefy, requefting that he would be pleated to order copies of the coati and roads on the Eaftern and Weftern fides of Scotland, made purfuant to order, to be laid before the Houle. Mr. W. DUNDAS raid, it was Intended to bring forward a plan on a more extenfive kale next Sec tion, but that he had no oblation to the motion, if the Hon. Baronet did not mean to follow it up with any fpecific meafure.—Agreed to. 51111111 ST•1141, The order of the day being moved for the Houfe to refoive itfdf into a Committee on the bills ettulap Duty Bill, Mr. Coeur explained the na tdre of a fpecies of Irifh feearity called a Kerry bond, and concluded with moving, That it he an inaruaion to the Committee to make a proriGon for the relief of s in Ireland holding Kerry bonds, without Ervig been duly Ramped. The motion was avwd to, and the Bill having paged through the Committee. the report was ordered to be received tomorrow. sarrisie STAMP DUTIII. The Order of the Day beintoved, fur the k Hoare to refolve W** into a Committee on the Britith Stamp Duty Bill ; Mr. VAIIIIIITTART 17110•td, that it be an inante tion to the Committee to amend die lows ?dative to the duties on Ramped vellum, parchment, ane paper. - Agreed to. The tioufe having then rt. Solved eel( into the raid Committee. Mr. Vamsotvas.r moved, that only one flar.v Nueld be charged on di. probates of will, of tlo fastie elate, which was agreed to ; as alit, feveral pther claufes in favour of executors.—.He then moved, that cards and dice ihould not be exported without due notice ; that fuch articles exported and re-landed fhould be forfeited ; and feveral other claufes to fccure the duties, and prevent fraud; which were alfo agreed to, and the report ordered to be reeeived to-morrow. ADMIRALTY COMMISSIONS. Mr. VANSITTART gave notice, that he fhould move to-morrow for leave to bring in a Bill to enable the Lords Commiffioners of the Admiralty to grant commiffions to armed revenue veirels, fo as to enable them to make lawful prizes, as by at tacking and taking the enemy's privateers, thefe veffels might afford great protedion to our com- L merce. , DUTY ON BRICKS. do a Committee of the Houfe to confider of the additional duty on bricks, Mr. VANSITTALT moved, that an additional duty of ss. a thoufand be laid on all bricks made in Great Britain, which was agreed to, and the report ordered to be re ceived-to-morrow. AUCTION DUTY DILL♦ The Houfe having refolved itfelf into a Com mittee on the Außion Duty Bill, Mr. VAN S rival faid, that in confequence of the great importation of rice and other articles of provaion, which were fold by auftion, the amount of the duty was much greater than formerly, hut (till not fo great as the advantage that might arife from its difcontinuance. He therefore moved, g , That all Corn and other Articles of Provilion imported, than be exempted from the AuCtion Duty, on the Sift fale ;" which was ag rsd to, and the report ordered to be re ceivedto-morrow. NON-RESIDINCE OF THE CLERGY. Mr. Dicitl;son, Jun. moved, that an Aft of the ata Henry VIII. chap. 13th, fo far as it re lates to the Refidence of the Clergy, be read ; which being done, he proceeded to make a few obfervations, and concluded with moving, that the Houfe do now refolve itfelf into a Committee, to confider fo much of the Paid as as relates to the Refidence of the Clergy, and their taking of farms. Mr. GRIGORY fecondedthe motion, and contend ed, that by the late profectitions, under this Aa, for Non-re lidence, the greateft perfonal hardfhips have been incurred by many deferving individuals, of which he gave two or three inftances, that the as has, in filch cafes, been enforced folely for the purpofes of extortion. The defels of the ad ex tended, in his opinion, much farther than .to the fubjed of Non-refidence. According to the pro- vifions of the ad, no Clergyman can buy or fell cattle for the purpafes of profit. This is, in faa, prohibiting the Clergy from farming their own glebes, or endeavouringto make up the deficiency of their frequently very feanty incomes, by taking (mall farms. He was molt decidedly of opinion, that Come alterations fhould be made in the law as it now flands. - Sir Rosser Bus rott expretlkd his regret that the hardthips complained of by the Hon. Gentle man who fpokc laft fbould have refulted from the law as to the Non-refidence of the Clergy • but particular harcithips, in his opinion, could not form a fufficient ground for an alteration of the law. As to the fecond part of the propoted mea lure, he really could not give it his approbation : for he thought it altogether incontinent with the Clerical eharaeter, that the Clergy Mould be deal ers for their own profit in corn or cattle. A Cler gyman's name lately appeared in the lift of bank rupts in the Gazette. He did not with that fuch a thing fhould occur again. Any alteration of the prefent law would meet with his difapprobation. Sir W. SCOTT thought that every thing which could tend to enforce the refidence of the Clergy, ought to meet with the tountcnance of the Houfe, but he knew weU that great individual hardlhips have been fuftained from the prefent law upon that fubje&, and that law has been made the ground of the groffeft exto...ion and injuftice. He therefor; though be withed to enforce refidence as much as poffible, could not help thinking that fome regu lations ought to be made, which would put an end to the evil complained of, if they could be adopt ed without limiting the reftraints upon Non-refi dence. As to the fecond part of the propofed mea lure, he could conceive no evil confequence which would refult from allowing the Clergy to farm the glebes allowed them by the Legiflature, and to turn them to the belt account that they can. He knew that the clamour throughout the country againft Non-refidence has been very great, (per haps in many cafes it is well founded) but he was convinced that it is not authorifed to the extent to which it has been carried. Some of the Clergy may have negleeted their duty, and by not refid ing among thole whole fpirituakconcerns they have engaged to fliperintend, juiny laid themfelves open to ccnfure and punithment,. but he was convinced that the great body of them are men of principle and honour, and that it would be found on in quiry, that the clamour which has been railed againft them is in a rent degree union. He con cluded with exprefling his approbation of the mo tion. The motion was then put and agreed to. T,lte Houfe having refolved itfelf into the Com mittee,_ Mr..Dictsesoa moved, " That the Chairman be direfted to move. the Houfe for leave to bring in a Bill to protei and relieve, under certain re s Rriaions and regulations., fpiritual perfons, from vexatious profeentions by common Informers, un der an Aa of the tit Henry VIII. chap is, for their Non-refidence, and their taking of farms." The CRANCILLOR of the Eicattwxa faid, he was happy that the Honourable Mover of this matter cad relinquithed all intention of moving the Repeal of the Aft of Henry VIIL becaufe though he might approve of his general objea, he could not have given his vote in Support clench a motion. He war alto happy that he pow found it in hit power to ag. , ee to the Motion now made, isecaufe it goes only to` remedy fpecific inconveni ences retaking from the general law, the principle of which he mull ever a pprove, and not to alter :hat Law. He agreed with his Right Hon. and Learned Friend (iiirl. 4 7. &ore), that this Al itas been applied of late for the pur,soks of mot tiun, and ?crannies' ; bat y-t th low appeared to him in its principle , as tenaini to promote a moft i octant objet, the, Refidence of th e Clergy. e hoped that there would be no diffe rence of opinion as to the fecond part of the pro. poled Bill. That the Clergy fhould be obliged to confine themfelves as much as poffible to the exer elle of their facred and important funflions, could not be doubted. But confidering that the Incomes of many of them are extremely inadequate to the i fupport of their families, in the dignified and n dependent fituation of life which they ought to hold, he could fee no impropriety in their being incomes, by to endeavour to increafe thofe by farming fmall farms, either in place of or along with the Glebes allowed them by the Legiflature. He was far from wishing that they fhould be al lowed to engage in fucli an extent in fecular em ployments, as to divert them from paying their principal attention to their facred duties, but he believed it would be allowed that no fecular em ployment is lets inconfillent with the clerical cha rafter and duties than agricultural purfuits, pro vided they are limited to a certain extent. There could be no doubt that it will be difficult to limit precifely to what extent the Clergy may be allow- ed to employ themfelves in filch purfuits, but that would form a fuhieet of fubfequent confideration, when the Bill fhould be before the Houfe. He was happy that the Hon. Mover of the Bill does not mean to leave it folely to the difcretion of the Bifhops or Archbifhops in what cafes refidence may be difpenfed with ; but that he means to fpecify In the Bill which lie propofes to introduce, as much as poffible thefe cafes. No doubt a difcretionary power mull be lodged by this Bill fomewhere to judge of cafes which may be unforefeen or which cannot be fpecified. Though he thus approved of this meafure, he hoped that a will be only temporary, and that a well digefted and more ge neral fyflem of regulation will fpeedily be brought before the Legiflature from fome quarter or other. That fuch a fyflem Mould be brought forward this Seflion, he could not expeft, but he was anxious that it may be as little delayed as poffible. When it is brought forward it will naturally be founded on the confideration that many cafes do, as things at prefent Rand, exill in which it would be impro per to enforce refidence, becaufe there are many livings in the Church, which if refidence were en forced, would not grind to the incumbent an in come much exceeding that of a day-labourer, and which are totally inadequate for fupporting him in the refpeiftability of nation, in which, for the purpofes of ufefulttefs in his office, he ought to be fupported. When fuch a general fyftem, therefore, is brought forward,he hoped it would alto be taken into confideration, if the great refources of the Country can be better applied than to increafe the incomes of certain livings in the Church, fo that the holders of them may be enabled to refide in their parifhes, and at the fame time maintain the rank in life which is neceffary to their ufeful. nets. The fmallnefa of livings is an encourage ment to pluralities, pluralities neceffarily produce non-refidence, and non-refidence is the great evil complained of. He begged pardon of the Houk for taking up fo much of its time in adverting to fubjefts not immediately before it, but neceffarily *riling out of the queftion under confideration. He expreffed his approbation of the propcf:d zap. litre, confidering it as a temporary one. Mr: WHITIRIAD role to make a few obferva tions on what had jun fallen from the Chancellor of the Exchequer. He conceived that there could be no doubt that it is the general with of the coun try, that the refidence of the Clergy fhould be en forced as generally as poffible, but that it is at the fame time defirable to protefithe Clergy from vexatious profccutions. The nature of the mea lure now propofed mull naturally lead every mind, and has led the Right Honourable Gen tleman, into a field much wider than that to which it of Id - elf extends ; and he agreed with the Right Honourable Gentleman, that it may be proper, as loon as poffible, to dire& thetattention of the Legiflature to the Revenues of the Church, to the mode of their collation, and to their diftri bution. The mode of their collation neceffarily obliges many of the Clergy to become what the Honourable Baronet behind him (Sir Robert Bux ton) expreffed himfelf fo much afraid of their be- coming—Dealers and Jobbers in Corn, &c. He believed that no perfon will deny that this mode of collation, or in other words, the prefent ()i -tem of Tythes, is moll pernicious to the Agricul ture of the Country, but it is not lets fo to its mo rality, for furely nothing can be more deftruftive of the morality of the Country than the diffentions and difputes which the colleftion of Tythes fre quently occafions between the People and thofe who are appointed to fuptrintend and direft their fpiritual concerns—When, therefore, any gene ral fyftem of regulation is brought forward, which he hoped will be done loon, by the Right Honour able Gentleman or Come of his Friends, he hoped that this flibjeft will be particularly' attended to. He perfeftly agreed with the Right Honourable Gentleman as to the neceffity of doing fomething to remedy the evils ariling from the (=lines of many of the Livings in the Church, as no doubt this forms the great fource of pluralities and non. refidence ; but he fliould indeed be lorry, if re. cootie fhould be had to the public purfe to reme dy this evil, convinced as he was that the reve nues of the Church collatively, if properly difiri buted, are perfeftly adequate for the fufficient payment of all its Officers. The CHANCELLOR of the Excampaa laid, he , would feel as much fatisfaCtion as the Honoura ble Gentleman if the objeft could be accomplifbed without expence to the Public, but he doubted much if this could be effefted. He knew the pub lic rejudice on the fubjeft, but he alto knew that in many cafes it was a very falfe prejudice. For inflance, it is thought that the incomes of the Dignitaries of the Church are exorbitant, whereas he could flats from his own knowledge, that the incomes of feverat of the Bifhops do not amount to more than what would be thought adequate for an officiating Parifh Friel Mi. WHITMAN Paid a few words in expla nation. Sir JOHN PARNILL had no °Nations to the mo tion, but referred to himfelf the liberty of oppof .....,, „ ;lig the Bill in the proper &vv. BeAtiateeded, that the principle of the exifling law. is good; it ought not to be annulled becaufe particular hard. fhips may refult from it. Dr. LAWRINCS approved of the propofed mea. Cure as being fpecific in its nature, but expreffed his difapprobatien of the fpeculative plan of future general alteration of the law which had been brought forward. Mr. Dicesasom.jun. fupported the motion, and infifted upon the injuftice of almuft all the adions which have of late been brought under the Aft of Henry VIII. The SP►essa begged to fay a few words on this moil important queftion. Many fubjefts were evidently connefted with it, which, in his opinion, this was not the time to difcufs. The law, as it now stands, was framed in very different circum. (lances than thofe which now exift, and for very different 'purpores from thole to which it is now made fubfervient. A revion of ; it, therefore, in order to adapt it more to prefent circomftances and purpofes, cannot but be expedient. Befides in the A 44 itfelf, of Henry VIII. there is a power veil ed in the Crown, to difpenfe with the law,' which (hews, that even the framers of it had in their con templation, circumflances in which the execution of it would be improper. Some alteration of the law,.aud fome new regulations may therefore be in prefent circumftances necelary, though the ge. eteral principle ought Uhltto be adhered to. He was by no means clear, that thefe (hould go to the extent propofed by fome Gentlemen, but the mca fure now propcifed was unconnefted with thefe fpe. culativc plans, He, therefore, approved the mo tion now before the Houfe. As to allowing the Clergy to hold farms to a certain extent he con. ceived it to be proper, but if carried beyond that extent, to be very dangerous. He would only far. cher ()Verve, that the prohibition on this fubjea, contained in the law, was originally intended folely as a reftriaion on the great religious houfes exifting when the law was framed, which made im. menfe profits from agricultural purfuiti. The mo tion was then put, and agreed to. The Report was' brought up, received, and agreed to by the Houfe, and leave was given to bring in a Bill purfuant to it. RANKERS DOTES FORGERY SILL. Sir W. ELFORD moved the further confederation of the Report on the Bill for the better prevention of the Forgery of Country Bank Notes. Mr. Deer rofe, and opfed the motion, with an intention to move that the Bill be further con. fidered this day three months. He had many ob. jations againft the encouraged the increafe of paper circulation in the country, from which a variety of evils was known to arife : but his prin cipal objedion was, that it went to put the coun try bank notes on the fame footing with the Bank of England notes, by thus giving them a kind of Legilktive Tanition. The period of the Sefton was now nearly at. a dote, anel the meafure pro. pored was one which required a minute and ma. ture inveftigation : he muff therefore perlift in his , Amendment, That the Bill be poilponed till this day three months. Sir Rosser BuXTON fbconded this Amendment, and on fimilar grounds. He thought that the Lw againft forgery, as it now flood, was fufficient.— Since the influx of paper, and the great increafe of C ountry Banks, the value of money was leTen ed, and the price of every article of provifion was increafed. Sir W. ELFORD defended the Bill. Its °hie& was. to prated private propery, and alto the pub. lie from having forced upon them forged notes, as well as for the better prevention of the crime of forgery, and alto for the mitigation of the puniih. ment of forgery, in certain Winne-es, Mr. /her explained. Coloiatitaains argued in favour of the Bill.— Its tendency was to Pave innocent perfons, who may have taken in payment forged country bask notes. Mr. Tg relit v objefted to the Briton the gmund of its being a hat& increafe of the Penal Laws, without a caufe being fuiSciently made out to jai tify fuch a meafure. As the Legiflaturehad made the Bank of England Notes part of the circulating Medium of the Country, the Houfe was bosind to proteel that fort of property ; but no fach claim could be made on behalf of the Country Bank Notes. In a variety of Towns fmall thopkeeperr, and perfons of little or no Froperty,hadembarked in the Banking trade ;* fuch men eouldfearcely be called fair traders, nor were they entitled to the legal proteaion of their Notes. Mr. BURDOW argued in favour of the Bill. It no more could be Paid to give a Legiflative tion to the Country Bank Notes, than applying Ramps to them could be Paid to do fo. Such Notts, in the Northern parts of the Country, were articles of prime necetlity. On the queßion that the word row nand part of the Motion, the Houie divided, Ayes 40--Noes ti—Majority so, The report was then brought up and agreed to, and the Bill ordered to be read a third time. VICE ADMIRALTY COURTS RILL. The Houfe went into a Committee on the Bill for granting certain contingent annuities to the Judges of the Viee.Adntiralty courts of Jamaica, Martinique, and Halifax in Nova Scotia. Sr W. SCOTT, after Rating the talents and re fWtability of th ole who would be appointed from the Englith Bar, to 611 fuch Courts, meptionedi that the Contingent Annuity, after altual fervicc, propofed to be allowed in any one cafe, should eut exceed the Sum of wool. Mr. Ti IVRY ward to guard againfl every is' provident expenditure of the Public Money t ht was afraid the prefent meafure was calculated to increafe the influence of Miitifters, as, for ;wee he knew to the contrary, the perfons fo to be appointed by Minifters might be recalled in fis or (even months time, and receive this annuity. The Camictcsoa of the ExcitscLusa cordcifol that the Hon. Gentleman's obfervation was a tea ' fonable one. As it was of importance that the k id:bon Should be made of perfous of come mei ence at.the Bar, as well as general refpdtabilitr , ' the provifion ought to be made adequate; at_ _.th e Cane time he thought it not mueaforsable to DM"