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Reply:ion ottimis BYi s oar in progress through that House.— Ordered to be Primed. Mr: BENETT presented a Petition from a Parish in Somerset, praying att. alteration 1,, the mode of taking averages of corn.— Ordered to he primed. Mr. ESTCOUBT postponed the second reading *of the All Hoises Liesstaing Bill to the 19th instant. air F: BUR DETTseed if itwas the Writhe of.the Govern-. tent to found'oreg masers upon tbe Report of the Commissioners relative to the water of thentetroi.olis? Mt. Sancittary PEEL.saIL thit at'present he teuld glee n* de cided answer. Mr. HOMIt DRUMMOND moved that the Ale Houses Lie Vse referred to a Select Committee. —Agre ed to. 116. O. CAVE moved that the Returning (Meer of the Borough of Yea**. er be brought to the bar, in consequence of his having ma . Pitted libreseb of privilege, in not making a certain return Which:W.l)mA ordered by the House _.,_tilOctrual4R suggested that the Hon. Member had better Sure. l . l ce of a motion to that effect, w which be assented, and gave .Statics acerirditigly for to-morrow. P1e..G.,8 A N K ES postpoord till the 9th of June, the third read ia Roman Catholic Land - Tax Bill. T. RNN [SON moved, that the order of the day for the Iltiuiektisolving itself into a Committee on the East Retford Dis franchlsceouqk Bill be deferred till Fri da y . Mr. CDMIEY protested against the postponement of the fur tger consideration of the measure; as also against the unconstitu tional discujne of waiting to ascertain the proceedings of the other House of Parliament. Mr. TENNISON replied, that he wished to see what course the other House would take, with reference to the Penryn Dis franchisement Bill. That matter was sure to be disposed of one ' way or other before Friday; and, besides, Friday would be the first • order day. Mr. N. CALVERT said, if a further postponemtnt was asked for, be should take the sense of the House on it.—The motion was agreed to. Mr. FILER moved for a return of the amount of Contraband Wrought Silk seised state July 5, 1826.—Ordered. Mr. DAWSON -brought up the Report on the Stamp Allow ances' Rift. Mr. RUME toovecl,-tbat the allowance to Distributors of Stamps in Scotland should be only al per Cent. instead of 6 per Cent. which would save the country front £15,000 to £35,000 a year. Mr. DAWSON misted the Amendment ; and after a short Ms cussinn, consented to postpone the question till to-morrow. .41i Message. from the . Lords announced that their Lordships bad het ghheir assent to several Public and Private Bills. For which sede Report. CATHOLIC CLAIMS.—ADJOURNED DIBATZ. Ms. C. GRANT moved the Order of the Day for re senting the adjourned debate for the appointment of a Coininittee to inquire into the Catholic Claims. - He said, thatbefoie entering upon the discussion, he had to express his regret at. having offered himself to their notice on Friday night, at a period when the House bad evinced no disposition to hear him. He could say, how tea:, that he did not often obtrude himself on their at . tention l and be would not have besirated obeying the wishes of the House, if an imperious sense of duty had ant called upon him not to give a silent vote. He would now request the indulgence of the House, while he ex pressed his opinion on this very important subject.— Front the first time he bad the honour of having a seat in IP'irrlianient he bad deeply considered the question, and be continued ever since to give it his most earnest support.. Belted narrowly watched the operation of the penal laws in Ireland, and he was satisfied that while a fragment of them was allowed to remain, there could be no chance of happiness in that country. The mote he consideredthe subject, the more convinced he was of the necessity of coociliation. If he had entered tipoirdeis great subject in thefirst night's discussion, be wild Italie felt it his duty to go into it at considerable length ; bet looking at the impression which the debate must have made both in and out of this House, he would limit his ebeetirmions to a few prominent parts of the subject. The condition of Ireland required improve -Went, and the general state of the Empire required that it should be'speedily effected. The House could not have forgotten the- speech of the Honourable Member for Kerry, confirmed, as it had been , by all the Irish Members, by the Solicitor-General for Ireland, and the Hon. Member for Lowth, a very considerable authority on the SUM of Ireland. It now appeared that a vast and organised body existed there, not known by the Constitution, condemned by Parliament, exercising a fiscal authority, and directing and controuling the movements of the people at their own pleasure. How ever overcharged the picture might•be, if the smallest portibn of it a/ere correct, it was most fitting for consi-, deistical, and that without delay. The present state of Ireland was a memorable lesson of the effects produced by bad laws. The authors of the penal code, and the sinters under it, bad passed away; but its pernicious influence was still to be found throughout the whole of Irish society. It ,was said, however, that make what ceneession you pleased, Ireland would not be tranquil atitlAtie grounds of opposition to the present mo tion weiethi violent language tit the retitioners, and the tangy, or if they wished, the violence of their di minds ; -bat this mode of awing was to him a speci:. inenwf - the manner in which all improvements had been. 611 10 4114 1 to: "They mad e the rely evils of the laws tbe grnood-nriatkfot their continuapce. The 'people were driven brbad laws to commit acts of violence; and in order to prevent its recurrence, they continued those very laws. Th'at being the case, was it to be wondered at that calamitous consequences should have resulted Isom it ? He did not understand giving the Constitution by piece-weals° Ireland; for it so happened that they gave her eilat would sting and torment, in place of what would 'make hex happy. heland should have the benefit 'tit* whole of the lit itisli Constitution, or it Would be sit onip.to-expecs. to see her proiperous or contented.-1 Complaints were made that the power was in the hands of agitators and demagogues; but that such should be the case was not to be wondered at, when the badness of the legislation was investigated. Then came the corn• plaintitagaiust the Catholic Association. It was said that the very existence of such a Society was a proof that the Catholics ought -not to have any further concessions made to them. He denied the sOladit w y, of the conclusion. The Catholic Association was the consequence of the systena pursued with re- . • spect to Ireland, and ai . long as that system was 'retilietSd in, so long would the Catholic Associa- WM, Or some such Institution, be supported—( Hear).l •He was told further, that the Catholics would be satis • fied with nEs concessions short of the subversion of the rrutcb s _or; at least, a full participation •in its posses :it Hon. Friend, the Member for Rip o nn, had opon thetpart of the argument. He had stated that, torty or fifty years ago, tkey had certain rights toneeded to them, and they had espres , ed themselvei . satisfied and highly grateful for the favour ,hown them. the rights - 0 which his Hon. Friend had alluded were, •-ehe sight of is/open/ 4 4 moulage, of earistation, and of exercising their religion, Those were the extraordinary Concessions which bad been made to the Catholics some half century ago, and he was molly astonished to hear *is Hon. Friend record theta as thataionumenrsof Eng lish liberality. But Ms Hoe. Fsiend said, tint Whig 'those concessions were made, they wets hailed aviskal- if on receiving such rights their gratitude was awakened, what would be their sensations if all that they were eititlid to were freely and cordially given to them ? There were three clear, distinct positions upon which they might have taken their stand: the first was, to grant the Catholics neither toleration for their religion nor civil privileges: thesecond was, to grant them religious toleritia, but td exclude them from civil privileges; and the third was to grant them the full enjoyment' both of the exercise of their religion and of all civil pri vileges. The first system was acted upon during the existence of the code; but that lid been abandoned, and no other had been adopted. That House found' itself between the other two positions. It found itself there as by accident, and it became it to act wisely, and to pursue the best, but at all events clear, intelli gible course. It would be even better for it to take the wrong path than not to take any ; and until it did act decisively it must not be astonished if its enemies ac cused it of caprice, while its ft lends were in doubt as to what they ought to do. But his Honourable Friend (the Member for Rippori) entertained apprehensions as to the effect which would be produced upon the stabi lity of.the Established Church. He himself (Mr. Grant) was a member of the Established Church, and he wished to support it; but he should like to ask his Honourable Friend whether he was prepared to leave the Established Church with that feeling of odium attached to it, which must of necessity be the case, if the Catholics were to be denied their rights upon the ground that the Estab lished Church was to be maintained by such a proceed ing ?—(Hear.)—One 0 his reasons for supporting the measure was, the conviction that its being carried would be beneficial to the Established Church. He was de sirous of supporting the Established Church, not merely by protecting its temporalities and the walls of its ca thedrals, but by_exciting in the minds of those who were without its pale respect and confidence—(Hear, hear). It was in its own inherent excellence, in the purity of its doctrines, and in the virtue and ability of its Minis ters, that he looked for the stability and security of the Established Church. And therefore be wished to do away entirely with those laws of which the Catholics complained; for he was convinced that there could be nothing more prejudicial tti the bett interests of the Established Church, than the opinion that it . could exist only at the expense and injury of others. if the polity of its doctrines, and the just principles of its Ministers, were not known some time since, recent events had clearly set them forth. But when Hon. Gentlemen talked of insecurity to the Church from granting con ,cessions to the Catholics, he would ask them if the Church could be more insecure than it was at present They were told that there was a band of malignant men striving to overturn the Church, and that there were no means at which they would stop short, so long as they themselves were free from harm. They were told, too, that the Catholic Claims afforded those persons a theme for discontent, and enabled them to practice upon the peace of Ireland. Why, surely then one remedy against their machinations was pointed out. Remove the prime subject ofabeir declamation, and of their dangerous in trigue and plotting, and it could not be said that by doing so they left the Church in a more unsatisfactory state than it is at present. There were some Honour able Gentlemen who were inclined to concede the Claims, but they had some apprehensions as to the degree of influence possessed by some foreign powers over the Irish Catholics. They required security. He, for his part, found an ample security in passing the measure itself. His Hon. Friend the Member for Rippon, when speaking of Prussia, had shown that the Catholics of that country had given a greater security than bad been thought of at the hands of the Irish Catholics. So that the House l was in a situation to reply to complaints by saying, why, the Catholics in other countries have submitted to more than we require from you. Since the conclusion of the war, all the Powers of Europe had turned their atten tion to the improvement of their internal condition.— This country, in common with others, was now, as it were, trimming the vessel—the finances were being in vestigated, and the commercial and other laws were undergoing improvement ; but beside attending to those points, the Continental Powers were strenuously endea vouring to put an end to all domestic differences, while this country unhappily totally neglected that all im portant point. During the last war Ireland had been aimost miraculously preserved to this country. That, l war placed us at the head of the commercial world, but with peace came competition, and a new demand was made upon our industry and ingenuity. He, however, dreaded not that competition, if the people were united. Let no man undervalue the effect of union among a people, or treat with contempt the consequences of a large portion of the nation being estranged.from its interests, The sad and dangerous effects of a divided people were seen and felt in the in. eitations given to the attacks of foreigners in the under mining of a country's commerce in foreign markets, through an understanding between the discontented and the foreigner—(Cheers from the Qpposition Benches). If those septiments had never before been uttered in that House. their truth was well known and deeply felt. They were no secrets. There was not. a nation at all likely to be engaged in waravith this country that was not fully apprised of them, and felt their weight and importance. Every Power in Europe knew Eng land's vulnerable point, and had long turned its atten tion towards it. The proposition was that the House should at once dismiss the subject, which was the re. storation of Ireland to tranquillity and prosperity. But per haps he was wrong in not saying that some remedies were proposed. Education, mining, and the introduc tion of capital had been"spoken of. They were all good propositions, but they would be all as nothing without emancipation. No person had ever been so absurd as to suppose that emancipation would of itself effect the change so much to be wished for in Ireland, but lie was co minced that it must be the preliminary step, the :ground-work of all effectual amelioration of the con dition of that country. So long as the required con cessions to the Catholics were refused, there would be a something rankling in the heart of Ireland that would defy and render abortive the best efforts of Go vernment to give her peace and - tranquillity.—He had abstained from touching upon some points to which importance had been attached as treaties and expe diency, because be thought that the Catholic claims stood upon much higher grounds. He advocated the claims of the Irish Catholics on the principles of eternal justice.—He ti aced them upon that compact which was above all human controulthe unwritten compact between ruling and the ruled—(Cheers). It was upon ribose principles that he recommended the House of Commons, and through the House of Commons the •opla of England, to do a great and generous act in fellw " i 'those coact:mons were snow, way were nr0rtm............- . light by the Cacholict—that. 047 afieressed thenhelves *your of 'r Cs fellois-subjects. If it were ne. twin 411664 and content, yet still; if the/ had. done tesoir yt o sake pariacular instances of the change which ," i s. ,Hz. Great). wood As k t 6 . ti o i se 4, i t , was 'f a i r , brid recently - satins •plactr in public opinion, he would 19 ..ne50 1 0 he would, act say, was, ;wok was I • , w , . simaist*the Notice, that - front the University of Oxford t icil ik oodd afos? E . Cotholic:, heMi s ilb r ii - • .psl4 Pention against thu*swas only b a d b een p r e- rair-Arr . • - ,a fa, atog joitivartiegratiOn inAbilltesshstik, t • r.•. , • . ,to it. and tor the firstigo,6o Petition at , all had nit:scion, and endeavour to bind theist .-'' ... : • 1„,:, lerstroated from the .:Wapihnity of tatobiitlge..-H - ofiairttarielidit end who* their • .., tra '. .y Hon.knderniholighttltat the visit e= we ; ...... e.t. and. their b et were arillowin with ? Sot 61 09utillY 1 16-- cigrnd , luargeler)Old spurt to *oh i , . 'r,PP•O9.94r, - A whet! er it was fair and just not mereljeto Ireland, liltfkveatest security would be found in the *Old 64 & eau OW their own constituents, to act in opposition to what eiNtion , . " and he, therefore, implored the House , they themselveseeknowle to - to be the s entiment of accede to the motion , and to give, by some Legislative the country ? If the ettest i gnet at last be carried, pro v isi o n s, : hose ri g hts to which, under the Coristnetion ;•why not at once adopt is, while there was still time fo r of the em p ire, the Roman Catholics were entitled—.the it to he . welcomed as an act of grace, and nut c'f mere rights of civil and religious L e e env. extorted justice?—( Heat). Let the House then do its Mr. G. BANKES entered into an examination of the pelt towards filling uP the measure of the Union , and res p ective s p eeches of the: Right Henoutabte Pseside te it would realize the noble anticipations of Mr. Pitt. — of the Board 61 Trade, and the ' Secretary for 1 eiot o to he where to strike upon our weakness, they would soon - Let that be the case, and if foreign countries have known which he confessed had disappointed him—al least, -1 did think that they would have told the House how this find it converted into one of strong holds. Do that , and security of Ireland was to be maintained, if the m easure let the foreign Potentate know that the point most of emancipation was carried. He could not avid ex . ivulnerable has been best protected. Do that, and let the pressinghioregre that they had not been snore expli c i t world s e e that having conquered foreign nations, we as to the security be provided in granting cors ew have magnanimity sufficient to conquer ourselves. • irons. The Hot retary for Ireland talked of wh at Colonel DAVIES denied that any set of men pos- danger had arises.o m admitting the Scotch to seat , sensed an indefeasible right. Certain legislative enact- in Parliament. )S it` had that admission any thing to meats had been passed with reference to the Catholics, do with the edmiesi of Roman Catholics to the :aeon and they could not complain of them: it might as well enjoyments? It mos be recollected that the &too t be argued that females as well as Roman Catholics Church was, as it weer, a part of the Protestant Estato should he admitted to the offices of State. How the lishment, differing otly in certain points, but ourelo ' advocates of the Roman Catholics could rest their case Catholic. He wished to know from the Right H on. upon the Treaty of Limerick, he was at a loss to dis- Gentleman how this coNtry could adopt the steamie r cover. Whatever claim they might have upon our which were taken by the Prussian Government for p ro: generosity, they certainly had none in other respects. serving the Establishment entire? Why, not one t o When he heard the Solicitor-General of Ireland say those securities was applicable to the Church of Eng. . that the Catholic Association moved mechanically six land. With respect to the assertion of a Noble L od milli :ris of people, he thought it high time that some on a former evening, who said that he would lathe strong cot rcive measures should be adopted to suppress prefer that the Roman orators of the Catholic Assote, it. At the same time that he opined no danger s meld tion should utter their sentiments in this House. N ow accrue to the National Church of England, he should he (Mr. B.) did not think so highly of these oratorseso oppose going into Committee, because by going into desire to see them in this Hoose—indeed, he thought y o Committee, it would be a virtual acknowledgment lightly of them, that he wlifsed the Association seas an. 'of the jnstice of the claims of the Catholics of Ireland: nihilated. The condntt of the Members had bee n moo Had a Select Committee, to inquite into the causes impolitic. The Hon. Gentleman alluded to the ob oe ,. of t!,e present state of Ireland, been proposed, teo vations of the Hon. Baronet, in respect of the conduct of should have supported it. Supposing the Honourable a Noble and Learned Lord, sod regretted thathe should Baronet should such eed in his motion, he must know, have uttered sentiments respecting that Noble person, from experience, the impossibility of carrying his reso- for supporting those principles which for half a century lutions further. He might be told that Committees had he had professed. and which if he hzd deserted, he would already sat on this subject ; but had not his Honourable have been equally liable to be condemned for. But is Friend, the Member for Kerry, said that the situation truth that Noble person was not aft object -for attack, of Ireland was daily changing ? The only way to ascer• seeing that he no longer filled any officiel capacity,— lain the entire truth of the state of that country was by The Hon. Gentleman nett adverted to the practice of a Committee up stairs, and if that Committee should the Governments in Europe, as illustretive of the Pro. report that Emancipation should be granted, the people tection which they gave to the established religion, and of England possessed too much good sense to go in cp- instanced the case of Mexico in that respect. In respect position to the recommend:6ton of such a Committee. of concession, unless we were prepared to say that the What Ireland essentially wanted was justice.—(Hear). opposite religion should not-pay any thing towards the The people wanted to know that there were not two support of the Church Establishment, he was atria laws—one for the rich, and another for the poor.— concession would be of little avail in tranquillizing Ire. Notwithstanding the loss of the great supporter of this land. An Hon. Gentleman and a Noble Lod had talked cause (Mr. Canning), Ireland was now more tranquil of serpents and sea-serpents, but the fact was, rho the than it had been for a long time—a proof that the Ca- sea-serpent, if you attacked him when he rose up in one tholic question was not one which so greatly influenced Patti he would dive, and though you wounded him with the peasantry of that country as had been represented. an arrow in his vitals, he would rise up in another— Mr. GRATTAN denied the position laid down by (A laugh). It was material to ascertain how seats is , the Hon. Member for Worcester, and maintained that Parliament were to be enjoyed by Roman Catholics.— the Catholics had an indefeasible right to the claims In the reign of Elizabeth, it was true, they had seals; they advanced. He hoped the question would not be- but she provided means for counteracting theevils; she come one of peace or war. He hoped it would be justly issued writs only to 20 Protestant Counties to send decided by the people of England. He maintained that Members to Parliament, and they only returned 10. le the English had never been faithful to their Treaties 1634. the numbers returned to Parliament of Pr ntectara with the Irish, while the Catholics had, on every occa- and Roman Catholics were equal. Lord Su afford wrote sion, more than fulfilled their promises. The Hon. to the same effect. It had been said, that Catholics at Gentleman then entered into a long detail of the dif- one time had supported the Protestant Constitution; but ferent Treaties in proof of his assertion, and quoted a it should be recollected that in the times alludsd to the passage from Lord Clarendon, to the effect, that al- Protestant religion was supposed to approach somewhat though the Irish were superstitious, they had always too nearly to Catholic principles. As to the argumem been loyal to the Crown. The Hon. Member alluded drawn from the passing-of the Acts of Premunire, ha to the opinions of various Protestant Prelates who have must remind the House that the King in whose nig' been favourable to the Catholics, and called upon the they were passed, was, in consequence, denounced by House to adopt their sentiments. It was a painful task the Pope, and ultimately lost his throne and his life, to him to trouble the House upon the occasion, but it ' Mr. DENISON supported the motion. Very great was a duty which he owed to his conscience, his coon- authorities, in and out of the House, were favourable tri try, and his CREATOR. The situation of an Irish country the measure, and, during the present debate, the Hoare Gentleman was most cruel, and there could be no peace had the authority of the Secretary for Ireland, aad the in Ireland until those laws were repealed. It had been Solicitor-General for that country, that emanciparios truly said by the Right Hon. Gentleman opposite, in was necessary for the security of the empire. He was that speech which had done him so much honour, as a glad to see that the question was gaining ground in British Minister, that they carried division into every England every day, and he was sure the country would domestic circle; and he would add, that there never not continue to rest satisfied with a mere negative to was a time when the fire-side of every man in the the question. It was of too much importance to be country, be he a violent Catholic or an Orangeman, longer tolled with. . was more disturbed by the existence of such salient).- Mr. NORTH said, he would retort the question ti sities than at the present moment. It was impos- the Honourable Member for Corfe Castle; and in reply sible that either of these parties could be ',brought to the question, what would tranquillize Ireland? be to submit by force. -They were animals fert ileum, would say, Emancipation. And he would then ask the and must be seduced by kindness and conciliation; if Honourable Member, what was his plan to pacify he they were warred against, it would only drive them to land? With respect to the Treaty of Limerick and the 1 their fastnesses. Opportunities for removing the cause Acts of Union he would say, that he regretted they had of all the miseries and troubles of Ireland had frequently been introduced into the debate, because, indept to:featly been thrown away, but the time was now come when of these Treaties, upon principles of right and justice, delay would be destructions The last opportunity was the Catholics were entitled to Emancipation. Whatwas , that which presented itself on the occasion of the to be dreaded from the accession of some r esioetablei Monarch visiting his Irish subjects. He had before Catholics *nto Parliament? Wbat was mere to be seen the return of Louisjo France; and how different dreaded, was the Catholic Parliament in Ireland, who a spectacle did the two occasions exhibit 1 The . French could not be controlled by the Irish Executive, nor eve King entered Paris amidst the parade of foreign troops by the Parliament itself. The strength of that was sot from morning to night, and there stood our great Cap- known to Parliament, and could only be weakened by tarn holding the keys of Paris in his pocket; but when granting emancipation ; the refusal of it united thee George the "Fourth landed in Ireland, he was received , body in a bond of fellowship, and in that bond tier .by thousands and tens of thousands and hundreds of persons of all descriptions, from the Peer to the peasti thousands of men—not armed soldiers, but men ready all alike determined to prosecute their claims with i to defend him with their heart's blood. That was an creasing perseverance. It was only of late that dn occasion upon which this boon ought to have been Catholic Nobility end Clergy had joined that WO granted to Ireland as the reward of her loyalty. They which they never would have dote if the Parliamente had heard in that House of refusing to grant her just England had done justice to the Irish people. Hehe claims, and of repelling force by force. He trusted lieved the Honourable Member for Waterford wa that. they should never see the lion which guarded the mistaken when he said that the time was gone by via Throne stretching out one paw to protect the Crown, the measure could be granted with grace and folio . and with the other tearing the liberties and the charters He (Mr. North) did not think so—tin the contrary, 0 of the people of Ireland to pieces. The Hon. Member thought there was a combination of citeumstattes concluded a long speech by insisting upon the necessity which at the present moment wculd render Eusasor of conceding the question, in order to secure the con- tion a matter of grace and favour. nection between the two countries. Admiral EVANS could not concede any thing wth o e f Lord ENNISMORE, as the Representative of a large Catholics , if they made their claims in t he I in g otr _ body of Roman Catholics, cited it to them to speak his intimidation — (Hear , hear). He believed t he Cato sentiments fearlessly and faithfully. With respect to did not understand Emancipation in any other way th" the laws affecting that great body, they were a disgrace an exemption from tithes. He would ask those Mew to the country. He had however no wish to follow those bers, who took the oaths on taking their seats, fowl who preceded him, in respect of violations of treaties.— could reconcile such oaths with their oth er p ledg es? He would take his stand upon the ground of expediency, for, on entering into Parliarnaso, they swore that the and would desire the Government to consider the advan- Catholic religion was impious and iJolatious, and ° tages or disadvantages of continuing the laws affecting foreign Pante or Potentate had had any jurisdiction" the Roman Catholics. Not only were the Members of these realms; whilst it was ,well known that the Pope al that Church unprovided for, but the great body of the regularly appointed Bishops as they ware appointed lef people were equally dispossessed of the rights to which the King In England. they were entitled. The Noble Lord contended that Mr. CAREW denied that tbere was any inconsiste the present state of Ireland, excluded the Roman between the pledge to support Emancipation aad Catholics from rights in common with their Protestant Parliamentary Oath. fellow-subjects, and was quite sure the House must see ale ATTORNEY-GENERAL, alluding to (Lbestoll that under these circumstances hot only must the tran. limited number oft onstituents, by whom his Itient'" --- quality of the country be destroyed, but the safety of and Learned Friend, the Member for Knarasboroasb the inhabitants and the preservation of property be en- (Sir J. Macintosh), was returned ; an d the erre o dangered. It was not by coercive measures that the paucity of electors who sent his Hon. and Ls ar 7 safety of the kingdom was to be preserved ; nor indeed Friend, the Member for Winchelsea (Mr. Brouth ° 7 l was the Catholic Association to be put down by resort- to Parliament, contended that this was in no te'llf_.` ing to such means ; that Association would, on the con- question involving the number or character of allY"7 0 trary, gather ittaength from the attempt. He, there- Member's constituency.' For his own part, he now to • duty fore, conjured the House to adopt the motion for ina rather to discharge what he felt to be a public nog quiry, and. tivie thcisesHonourable Gentlemen who were posed upon him by the o ffi ce which he had the I v) j a ~,1 3 1 anxious for . lecUtitiel, "would have an opportunity of to fill, than in the hope of offering any arg umen t " E . its Do c * stating ir ket se cur it** they required. But, in fact, the should recommend itself to the Am* /. 3 . « Idi 0.1 P f~. .. • . . ,~ ,__,.j ~.. A •:‘