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M1N.m.... should or shoold not be bel l ( jabiotfie House. And, before he mad e t he rem s should feel it his duty to o ff eepbehogimiit ay, that he came for ward As entitle! unconnected pith the Government. WithticGitir ent he had no communication upon '"" the sullect, and e knew not what was its opinion respecting it. He must also state, that it was not his intention to propose any substantive measure. His object was to call the attention of the House to a subject which he considered to be of the utmost importance. He could not fail to observe, however, from the state of the Houle—[tisc House was very thinly attended] ....that a emit number of Uonourable Members were of a different opinion. Still he should not ikrink froth the duty he had to perform; but he would persist in claiming the attention of the House—well convinced that, whatever might be the feeling at that period respecting the importance of the subject, the time would arrive when its vast consequence would be acknovi 'edged by all—(Hear.) In 1823, in consequence of the great increase of the superabundant population in Cork, and that part of Ireland, Government resolved, as a matter of experiment, to send out a number of voluntary emigrants to Canada, under the super inteadance of a Mr. Robinson, a Canadian. It was never supposed by Government that that measure would afford substantive relief, but it was adopted principally to learn truly whether emigrants could ob tain a livelihood in Canada, and whether their condition' would be so much superior to that of the unemployed poor of E•igland and Ireland, as to hold out to them a fair, temptatiou to leave their native country. That experiment had entirely succeede I; and in consequence of the success of 1825, 2,000 additional emigrants had been sent out from Ireland to Canada, under the direc tion of the Mr. Robinson who had attended the first ex periment. Again the emigrants were entirely successful, and planted themselves in Upper Canada. But when more money was required at the hands of the House,' the House had said very properly, t. Let us know how this money is spent," and appointed a Committee to ex amine into the subject. That Committee sat in 1826, and another sat in 1827. As the Reports of those Com mittees were in the possession of every Hon. Member, it would be unnecessary for him to go into them; but theie *ere some particular points and positions esta blished to which he wished particularly to call the at tention of the House. Those Committees had come to the conclusion, upon the evidence and inquiries they had gone into, that there was a superabundant popula tion in England, and in many districts in Ireland; that therefore there was not an adequate demand for labour, and that in consequence labourers were compelled to work under prior. The Committees moreover esta blished that the labourer, for whose • labour there was . no actual demand, did not by his labour produce a return which was equivalent with the charge his pro vision was to the community. And he ought then to ' mention that the Committees had never contemplated any other thin voluntary emigration; but taking into their consideration the great distress, and misery which a large portion of the Irish poor were said to be enduring, they did not imagine that it would require an, extraordinary temptation to induce them to leave their native country. He was also justified in stating, that it was the opinion of that Committee, that unless measures were taken ► to prevent the filling up of the vacuum which would be occasioned in the population, by putting in force an eaten ive scheme of emigration, all efforts upon the subject would be unavailing as to producing any permanent relief. Now, although he had long given the subject his most serious attention, he should be most ready to allow that his opinions were entirely erroneous, isere they not .:upporsed .and con firmed by the views adopted, after mature deliberation, by the Committee and other authoriiies. He therefore 'Louts main am, that the experiments of 1823 and 1825 had fully succeed-d, especially with respect to the con dition of the emigrants; and he felt it the more neces any to e. force that point, becau e a great number of misstatements had been made, and the state of the emigrants had been declared to be most wretched. That, !weever, was so far frcm being the fact, that they were in reality removed from misery to comfort and plenty. Indeed, he would venture to assert, that theist was no example to be found in history in which emigration had been so entirely successful with respect to the improvement in the condition of the emigrants— tHear).—And considering the immense fertility of the' Pamir!, s it was scarcely possible to imagine th at per sons emigrating thither should not be 'successful, or that the country would hesitate to :afford itself relief, when, at the same time that it relieved itself, it would afford benefit to those who left it. With a view to ..:legroing the real state of the case, the Committee had examined the cololial witnesses. Those witnesses were entitled to the fullest respect: they could have had no Interest' in endeavouring to' mislead the Comm:ttee— inclired,'had they not merited full confidence, the Com mittee would never have ventured to come to thuim tinitant conclusion, upon their testimony, which it had done, namely, that a system of . em;gration could be Pla . nnest Which might . he carried into execution without expense; he meant real expense, such as 'int. Imlay of money where there would be no re turn': And be was prepared to show that the con clusion was a just one, for that the emigrants would bi.ready and willing to repay by instalments the money advanced to them at the outwit. The witnesses had been asked bow much it could binecessary for the head of to possess tnplant himself and family in Canada? The reply was thai 601. sterling, or 661. currency would be sufficient; some of the witnesses thought that much less would suffice. And it appeared that 401. of the 661. was to be laid out in provisions, in order to enable the new settler to gb on until he gathered his first trope. All the witnesses concurred in not placing the estimate higher; and he begged incidentally to temark, such were the probabilities of success, that notonly had not one of the settlers of 1823 and 1825 rettirned; but, on the contrary, they bad implored their friends . th Procure A passage out to them, and had tendered their assistance. The nest qtrestion which' had been put to those ten co lonial witnesses was, whether the emigrants would be able to pay 44. a year, in discharge of the sum advanced to them, alter a certain time ? The unanimous answer was, that they Would be able to do so. The nest linestion was, as to whither the emigrants would be inclined to resist malting such 'a repayment ; sad the Mayer was . 1 No." IT* Witisesies bad then been ask d, *bather they eonsidere that the land held by thed 2 1 :ents . ;w94lff• bons its improved condition, be ain • :tient peewit,. air . the suite advanced ? and the ani er Was"", Yes." He should hiviethougbe that that eiidentie vial toticient if It had hot beep' confirmed ; bat it so happened that it' . had lreei confirmed; ,lri 18 6ogreflipeat aiai met Lic. at,,colOaa Coe kiwis, for e piripose of iisquiling into the'itiiite of 'A ea ricaatojoaies; lbaraiag' conditiak &A' dis • of _the ati tants; and surveying?* teribriry A d *MSc* . entitled . • • o comnren scion of . o irksc laco* T: li ed ad u t z td t ti Itaisetu. Col. Cockburn had sent in to the Colonial Department' and for a Copy of which itwet hit intention to move. The Right Honourable Gersten's', then TeAd an ea „„ c; from the' Report olCoL.Cieelibrirs, which stated that if an emigrant was seetleddtpon good land, he could at the espiration of 6volt:tie afford td pay 51. per annum in produce; hut that if that sum were required from him in specie, the chance of his being able to pay it would be greatly diminished. Colonel Cockburn, said the Right Hon. Gentleman, visited the settlers who had emigrated in 1828 and 1825. It was right that he should then acquaint the House that there had been three kinds of settlers; the Lanark settlers, who were to repay the money advanced to them in ten years; the military settlers, who were old soldiers entitled to a pension, which they had relinquished for their settle. ment ; and the settlers of 1823 and 1825: Colonel *Cockburn regretted that he had not taken down the precise words of the settlers, but a Mr. Morris, who had a storehouse, and was in constant communication with the settlers, had made the necessary inquiries. The first settler who had been interrogated was a military one. He said, that when he arrived in Canada he had not a halfpenny in the world ; that at the end of five years, after having lived in plenty, he would not have taken 1201. for his stock and other property, and that at the time he was questioned, nine years after his settling, he said he would not take SOU for his propeity. Eleven other settlers had answered much to the same effect; and the whole twelve had agreed in stating that, in their opinions, settlers would be both willing and able to pay 51. per annum in produce After a certain period. They moreover stated, that settlers would become de. sirous of making the repayment, with' a view to their own perfect independence. Then looking at these facts, could it be supposed that men enduring the miseries which a great portion of the Irish peasantry labour ed under, would hesitate to embrace such an oppor tunity of relief, or thnt, after they had embraced it, they would fail to fulfil their agreement ? He was convinced that no one looking fairly at the question, could entertain a doubt upon the subject.— But in addiion to all the evidence he had quoted, a witness of the utmost importance, of the highest possi ble authority, had accidentally appeared. That witness was Colonel Tibia, who settled twenty-five years ago in Canada. That Gentleman settled on Lake Erie, and when he first arrived there, there was not a European, excepting in his own establishment, within one hundred miles of the spot where he took up his abode, and yet at present there were within the same space between 20,000 and 30,000 European settlers. Colonel Talbot himself had been the main cause of those settlers ap peering, he had watched the progress of their establish. ments and the increase in their numbers ; he knew their means, and he knew what they were capable of effect ing; and it was therefore impossible to conceive a more competent witness than he must be. Colonel Talbot's opinion was, that if the repayments would be taken in kind, there could not be the shadow of a doubt that the emigrants would be able and wiling to make them. Such was that Gentleman's opinion, and if c tiled to the Bar of that House, he would give it without hesitation. Then with respect to the repayment being made in kind, he (Mr. Horton) could not see that there was any thing objectionable in that; because ass() much was required for provisions, it would be available for carrying on further emigration. He had next to observe, that the expense for future emigrants would not equal that in curred for the first. Those who arrived in the country after there was in it something like a population, would not have the same difficulties to contend with that their predecessors had. If, h iwever, after all the evidence e had quoted, there should still any who were scep tical enough to tecriire fur ther confirmation of the justice of the positions which had been taken by the Comm tee, he would read to the House extracts from letters which had been received from the emigrants by their friends.. The flight Hon. Gent. then real a letter, in which the writer advised all hii relations and friends to hasten to, Canada. He state,] that he lived in plenty, had all his earnings without being interfered with by the tithe proctor and high rents—(Hear !)—and that he kept Christmas with as much merriment as they ever did in the old country.—(The Right Hon. Gentleman con tinued).—He had read that letter, and could refer to many others, as the best answer that could be given to Mr. O'Connell when he stated that emigration should be avoided by Irishmen, and that it increased their wants. The next point was, to prevent the vacu um in the'population which would be occa s ioned by. emigra tion from being filled up. He maintained that that would be effected by such an alteration in the Poor Laws as should render it no lunger compulsory upon parishes to provide labour for their efficient poor, and by doing away with the pernicious system followed. in Ireland of sub-letting. It had been stated, and he be lieved with truth, that the landlords of Ireland could not make up their minds to send forth tire multitudes who held under the Sub Letting Act, as they would then be without resource. He was convinced that the subject only r quired.to be understood in order to meet with that attention, and to be discussed with that seriousness which its importance demanded. And when he heard that cheer at the expressions of tithe proctors and high rents, he could not but remark, that those high rents arose in a great measure from the desire of persons to obtain land on any terms, lest, not obtaining it, they should be left to starve. Ir had doubt less been the opinion of the Irish landlords at some preceding period, that the higher the rent the better for them. But they should have remembered that there was little chance Of such rents being paid in full, and. that if pe severed in, the natural consequence of such a system of agrarian law must be the equalization of property. The greatest relief to Ireland would arise fres% the abolition of the Sub-Letting System, and Migration was the only means of effectually doing away with it. It fiad been said that manutacturing capital would flow into Ireland, and give it relief, it encouragement were given. He denied that such would be the case while labour met with no adequate remu neration in that country. OUr manufacturers were' not in want of labour, modern* inventions bad super seded the necessity of borliV labour to ,a great ex tent, and" whit the Waagacturers wanted was a market for their prodice. Aid with respect to agri. . - cultural 'capital,, he denied that that world fl,w into and relieve Irelands' ; 1f there were waste Ueda in that corintry;viould it be con ten ded 'that they were aifertile aii - the laud of Canada, where, alter clew' ing the ground, it was only necessary to scratch it and sow the seed, and a crop was the consequence. ' But if it were said that it would be better to U pend the'bioney in cultivating waste lands than :in' encouraging elniaration, he must reply that be did not ,baieel there was a man in the country who was 'WOW Sp to as.ao iarbority upon the subject, who 'aiii4l64 'Caine tt! ur of thist . H.ouse and support such *Fo. 6l l:ion• Anus if 2 4, 'bought it expedient to try '64 tisa p irlii,isot kr, the exprosersr 9e . coutempora y made with, one upob cailgratiaa7 All that was Pf9F",, ;Dieu wits-fu find out pigs .9( . proCuting eiri• oyiseht lot 4te For s couple4'vrithe fair pile* tor' labour. *BM he se* die Lord °mining, who had given notice of his intention to move for Committee to inquire into the increase of crime, he would ask that Noble Lord, if he or any ether Hon. Member could disagree with this Learned Judge, who had said that lowness of wages and excess of population bad mainly caused the increase of crime?- And how was that excess of population and the lowne-s of wages to be got rid of? He maintained that it was to be effected by no other means than emigration, and the alterations he had stated. He was happy. to- find that the same opinions which he had expressed were enter tained in the Colonies. He found that resolutions had been carried at Montreal, before the Report of the Conn mittee could have arrived there, to this effect :—That as increase of agricultural population was desirable, and that it should be encouraged and assisted. By the Upper Canadian Gazelle of about the same period, be found that a want of a greater agricultural populatiop was considered to be the incubus which restrained, the Xolony from making that rapid march in improvemem of which, under other circumstances, it would be ca: p.ble. While this country complained an excess of agricultural:population, the Canadas complained of a deficiency, and therefore by encouraging emigration we should be relieving °urn Ives and securing to thine who emigrated a proportionate recompence tor their labour. The area of cultivable land in the two Canadas was about 111,000,000 of Briti,h acres, while that in Great Britain and Ireland was about 77,000,000 of acres .— The Canadian land was at least as fertile, if not more so, than that of England. In Canada there was one person to every 190 acres, while in England there were 57 persons to 190 acres. Now, that being the case, it must be evident that the lal , ourer, whose great care must be his own subsistence, would have a touch greater prospect of success in Canada than he cculd have by cultivating poor lands at home. Complaints had been made that the Colonies were not sufficiently productive to the Mother Country; but Ire put it to the House whether it was not absolutely necessary for the Mother Country, in the first instance, to supply the means for exertion? He had beard Mr. Gallatin, who was not an old man, say, that when he first settled in America there was no European near the spot on which he fixed, and that now, if a straight line were drawn from his settlement, it would be feund that civilisation had actually extended 800 miles.. and why, he (MI. Horton) would ask, should not the same 'improvement take place in our Colonies as in the United States? If he were asked whether the Committee had prepared any plan to prevent the return of a superabundant poit lation, supposing the present one were removed, he should reply, that if the alterations he had alluded to were made, he then would not fear of any return of the evils complained of ; the same reasons would not exist to produce them ; and he repeated that he foresaw no remedy that could at present be afforded,otber than an effort to give a rational assistance to - such parties as slished to emigrate, in consequence of their inability to procure a demand for their labour here. Nor was it to the Canadas alone that the House should look fur a field for emigration, but to our other colonies, as New South Wales and the Cape of Good Hope.— The difference between New South Wales and the Cape of Good Hope was this—that the produce of the former hatran exportable value, not only in this country but elsewhere. fie felt thoroughly convinced that there was a practicable possibility of removing a great pro portion of the superabundant population without, any ultimate expense to the country. There were many parishes In this country which would be very happy to bear the'eXpense of sending Bogie` e' the popula tion to the ; COlotiies, and a mime of productive wealth might that lia•established with no very considerable out lay of capital:' The existing population of New South Wales were very desirons that emigrants should be sent rain to them upon this principle.: they were ready to bear the expense - of the undertaking themselves. As it was impossible for him now to go through the whole . of the evidence taken before the Committee, he re quested the particular attention of:the House to it. The evidence of Colonel Talbot ind other Gentlemen exa mined before the Committee' were quite sufficient to bear him out in what he had stated to the House. All he wished was to call the attention of the public to the subject. it would be most unwise on the part of the Government to take any unless they were first sanc tioned by public opinion. With respect to those who thought that existing difficulties could not be removed by emigration, and that there were, within the country itself sufficient resources to give employment and sup port to the whole of the population,lncasuld not expect that those Gentlemen. would. gotalong with him. With respect to the P.r: tettgers'Acri . heltild nothing to do with it, and he regretted that a new eVaie which he meant to propose was to be opposed by the Hon. Gentleman opposite (Mr. J. Grattan). Last Session he consented, very much against his will, to bring in a Bill for the repeal of that Act. It was certainly, he would admit, an objectionable Act in some respects, but then it might have been modified. Great evil had arisen from the repeal, for emigrants were thus enabled to arrive in the Colo nies without being at all prepared for such an under taking. This appeared from .the accounts transmitted by Sir Henry Douglas from New Brunswick, and other accounts from other parts of Canada. Had these emi grants arrived in the United States in such a destitute situation, the ship would have been confiscated. The United States had very properly taken measures against having multitudes of emigrants thrown upon her shores in a perfectly destitute state.; They should adopt some precaution of a similar nature. ThO analogy of their laws did not justify them in thus permitting numbers to take their passage in a- s!rip bound to any of the Colonies without any consideration of their present means or future prospects. They legislated for the number of persons to be conveyed in coaches or steam boats.— Why not legislate in one case as well as the other? The repeal of the Act was looked upon as a Matter of regret by Sir 4,./Xernpt, Lieut. Colonel Cockburn, and others, who had an opportunity of witnessing the state in which the emigrants arrived. He had himself brought in a Bill to establish a minimum of food, and also a mini mum of space,on board these emigrant ships,not wishing by that to oppose any obstacle to emigration. It would be most inconvenient if emigration wasrnot placed under such restrictions as to prevent those who left their coun try froos arriving at the place of destination in a state of dines', misery., and destitution. It,was too hard that they. should be left to depend merely upon what.infor mation they could collect from their friends or ac quaintances who had gone out . before them. All he desired was to introduce such regulations As might pre -vent fatal consequences. lf the House were to-follow up the principle viewed by the Committee, he felt con fident that it wOold Atiamitell be Pr o 4 l .4oT_Fpf.greet .bucefit the xnuayry. .21. Light nuns, Gentleman Concluded by mowing. for a .0011 of the. Report laid before tbeColpnlal Dew py'Littitetseet Colooel "COCltbett, Ma the st!hiftt,Migt4tiori, tageOet Wick Coei the Inetissetiom iectitived tram the.ColOnial :Department by limateaaat Colossi Cockburn oa Olt -86th'Jan..l827. - • - MtI,A)tliNG; jun:'s . ak.t . 0 the statement Abe 'l4,MoiiiibleGintlenran - N aa Made to the House he tras .. •. ! rather underrated the advantages of emigration. 'll4 ._ au pinsible information, aoet that ' evidence given before the Committee proved, that if th e ' We, ed. •As. to the Passengers'. A emigrants were settled on the borders of civilizatio n, ' me et with no resistance, and that where they might at the commencement labour tut .lote vessels proceed on their Toys others as well as themselves, they might certainly b e die present season.--The Que s ta°, . located without any expense to this country. The 1-1,.. ,„ carried. Member .then proceeded to read extracts from the r t ; Mr. WILMOT-HORTON then solutions of the Canadian Assembly.. The * greate st bring in a Bill to revive And ame complaint on the subject of.emigrationwas, that 3,oit . .t at i n g vessels carrying passengers t .' . acres of the best land was appropriated to parties soh ; on the (l UME thought the Rig en d = b e i ng p u t, had not performed any action which beneficial Is bi t . the Government of that colony - ; shoniiklook at the export of the a ! Mr.GRATTANsaId, there were two ways of settlia l . - ::. • H on this subject flee years ago, . the question of emigrationZw.eithei by a publiejtranta ; . 'lbis Bill. The House wantei f lby private subscription. He had not seen any 14 '',, 'the subject. 1 Gentleman, either iti that House or elsewhere, oiler is I Mr. HUSKISSON, in reply to t 'subscribe some 161. ahead to emigrate individuals. Pat . 41' onourab:e Member (Mr. Hume), himself he preferred that the sum proposed to be ei: : -a statement made by Sir J. Camp. pended in emigration should be spent at home. Th e this hand, out of 160 passengers i plan of the Right lion. Gentleman (Mr. W. Holton! :-", Halifax, five had died, and the re ~ . ' was, he thought, hgli!y censur ,bie. What he ohicatio,,, , by the typhus fever; and that in to was, that this subject should be agitated in Pir4 ' population consisted of 10,000 per ment ; because persons imagined that in emigrating .consequence Pf an influx of disea they %%Mild of necessity be provided for, and thus th e -- was therefore absolutely necessar ' whole affair ended in disappoiniment. Any forthe unfortunate occurrences, to enact c proceeding in this matter would, he thought, only tend . ' the subject—particularly with resP to lead the country astray. . board a sufficient supply of wateN Colonel DAVIES thought that not a farthing of die the passengers. On the passage t 4 sums advanced would ever be reuited; and if, as it of the emigrant vessels from Itelan was suggested, that the people should pay in kind, it .. veiled, and in another mutiny occc was quite tidiculous for a moment to suppose 50... Af ter a few words from Mr. STANLII - If it should be desirable to settle emigrants abroad, It . 11 __OBINSON, and Sir Jamas GRAM/111, !CAI/ might, he thought, be effected at a lesser expense this the 13111. W. that mentioned by the Right Hon. Gentleman.' A great . ad HARVEY moved for a - subptenas Mr. D. respondendum issued from alteration-ought to be made in the porn laws, and thdt, alai tke number of appearances which ha the Hon. Member thought, would go a great way tr , . the last six years.—Ordered. .. . . . destroy the necessity of emigration. • • - TEST AND CORPORATION Sir FRANCIS BURDETT observed, that he wool' Lord JOHN RUSSELL moved that yield in opinion to no man, that the may means of :r. ti tire re.ceipt Actsof b the h ßeport ad of the Conimi ire lieving the country was by an extensive ernigratie o , .m l a t tl was read accordingly . The lt,port The Honouyahle Baronet thought that the Right H Q , it ,- Resolutions of the Committee, that so Gentleman (Mr. Wilmot- Horton) hid done hirnj . 13th of Chalks 11. the 25th of Charks I great credit in pursuing:this question in the amnions • . .11. is relate to the Sacrament of-the Lox .- pealed, were then agreed to. had done. - - Lord JOHN RUSSELL moved for le Mr. LEYCESTER complained that the population . Ammuance of these Resolutions. He sho of England were impeded in the cultivation of land by , should be read a second time some day ne • .the barriers of tithes and taxes. He had himself Monday be'nnight. oi 'Mr. MOORE moved the second readi. expended 6,0001. upon a piece of ground, which mitt .. :land) Chapel Rill. have been done for 3,0001. The other 3,0004 found" „ :. Mr. GRATTAN suggested the prapr their way Government should interfere and abolish the motion by those who might be interested way into the Treasury. What he desired was, i . for a fortn ight , in order to afford time te that t he 1 • The second rending was accordingly existing impediments, and then the people of Englaud Friday. might fi nd ample employment. - Mr. G. IILOGRE moved the second • • • Mr. BENNETT remarked, that the lands. in England _ Packets Regulation Bit!. . and Ireland ought to be cultivated, before w e thought Mr. -HUME suggested that the mean Unked Kingdom. of cultivating those in C2nada. By encouraging the . Mr. MOORE replied, that such poin. cultivation of lands in that province, he.thought we dimmiuee. I were preparing a scourge for our own backs. If there - ,R.B4i second time,and ordered to be - was such a desire to create emigration, why not transport , - BART RETFORD B the men who were sentenced to two or tnore years' in. The House again resolved it se ptisonment, instead of keeping tham at home? As tbe ems the Rest Retford•Dbfranchisetnent IC proposition went, we were to send away the good mer e .Twwwisoe. Mr. IL Gvaaol4 watealleil to and keep the bad in the country. nesse* were called before any appeared ; a Colonel WOOD said, that the lands of England, Nathaniel iitiztan answered. He was son.—Witness said he had been a freema . which admitted of coltivation, had already been cub years; be la d s certainly voted at the last .vated ; and that if a further cultivation should be care - -.sot receive any Ekctioo Money at tbeßk sled into effe4t, it would tend to increase pauperism.- Modid not know how that kappened, et - A great cause of the necessity of emigratioo existed it . ' Zi sW v n e ie bi , b in ut anY for —( goc 4 to la p ug a h y .) lt. N I; 1 14 8 11 17, h ,th s the-abuse of the poor laws ; and no greater or mot, WI riddw tbe would speak the truth. At convincing pritof of it could exist than the fact, thane . lonsquineas,br tam, from Leadbetter Haiibw, in . the county of Middlesex, labouring sea i folded up, but share was so direction - on t had been rat up to auction—the married men to the , canvassed him for the lastoleciaga, and ea' He could not think what was cant by highest bidder, and the single men at .ss. per week. ° die eSpresston uh Rist Retford, but he n Mr. JOHN SMITH, after complaining of the esti , meant by it--(A latter.) Thirty or forty 4 berance of Irish labourers in the Kingdom, and di - ilile liana knowithether •etbers beard i cause which naturally followed, viz. a distress amongst .: mad aright have beard is; bat he could n ! the word. the English . and Scotch labourers, observed, that if ..,P.l 4 san i en Ireland had her rights, English capital would flow 4014 ed by Mr . nyees—He did no abeam or MS t bat money had been pr ' it ;,and as a matter of course, an employment would be ' • By Mr. a WooniroTbe money had . created for her population. The Honourable Member . Jae ceesidered that si " lie" bad been told. William Gran t was called, and examine then proceeded to state, that he had himself erected a had never received any thing from Mr. certain number of cottages on a farm which he had castle's agent. He voted in the I)uk..'s ' taken, allotting to each cottager a quartet of an acre of teen any money from any candidate. land,'and that since he had done so he had never found lAt be =Ad oor say what sum. • a defaulter among them. • Mr. Alderman WAl'lf HM AN sa Mr. W. WHITMORE expressed his doubts whether he 'cautioned not to pursue this e dukilan of the Right Honourable Gentleman would be sw.eritig-,(Heat). . found to answer any good purpose.. ile would look at -. The CHAIRMAN pressed on it carefully, and without prejudice; but he feared the sitrof giving direct answers. result would be, to convince him still more that insur- . Witness said be could not remember 1 mountable obstacles to it existed, cefted bills. but the sum he could not Sir J. GRAHAM' asked the Right Hon. Secretarr o.l3aldestone's election he received a pre Whom it came. i l a the Colonies whi thee he was really to understand " tity Mr. Feacusoe—He received pre that it was the intention cf Government to reintroduce dections—.he had never received such p the Passengers' Act, after the Report cf fast Sessios? The presents were in bills or notes; be Mr.HUSKISSON-1 feel in common with my Right put them into practice."—(A laugh). whether he counted or reckoned the note Honourable Friend who has already addressed the 'The CHAIRMAN told the witness that House, that there is no matter requiring earlier attestor' to send a witness to Newgate for his eve than the revival of cettin provisions of the Passengers' answer,er rather no-annier, the Comm Act, which was repealed last year. If the Honourable recommend the same course respecting w :, Mr. FLROUSON repeated his question i Baronet had seen all the Reports from New Brunswick said. it might have been 11. or it migh ,and other Colonies, to which there was a considerable feeeived'money after different elections; emigration last year, I think he would be satisfied of presents three different times, or four; the propriety of such a course. Those who arrived and titular how much he had received at an elections at which be did not receive pre those who settled brought with them contagious disorders which—he had nut received any present of the worst description ; the gaol fever devastated whole al; gave no presents. He once received townships, to the destruction, in some instances, of not ' an election; it was given to him in the c • less than one-tenth of the population. The House will h was in news, but he did not know ho therefore see that it is necessary to legislate, to take not say whether It was one or twenty g of the notes he received for his labour. care, for the sake of humanity, that each passenger knew Alderman Parker, should have sufficient space and accommodation for the Mr. SYKES wished to kno preservation of health during the voyage. True it h should be put, as yet the House that there are many provisions in the Act which ought Alderman Parker. not to be renewed, and are quite needless or inapplica• Mr. TENNISON replied, that ble. The season of emigration is now approaching, and . tion because it had bees intimate no time ought to be lost, in order that those who may - man Parree (an Alderman of R• be disposed to proceed to our possessions in North America, may arrive there in a condition to benefit gaged in the . Lobby in giving a against adducing that sort of hon themselves, and not to injure the Colony. With ro spect to the general question of Emigration, I feel , by the Howe. in common with the House, that too much prair Alderman WAITHMAN agai cannot be given to my Right Hon. Friend, for tire ter of the last witness's evidence. zeal and ability he has invariably shown in the ena mend his commitment; but he secution of his object. On the present occasion , commit him, their treatment of because it would be premature, and for other reasons it harsh, and they would be somew is not necessary -to state, I do not wish to go into a do. character of the House. cussion so important. An excess of population is a greater Lord NUGENT said he had r number than can find comfortable and adequate emiLl' but he thougbt there was the per treat. That is a great evil, but there may be otters ' any one if it were suspected that that ought not to be passed over without attention. Of tampered with. two evils, the greater (and one which is possible in any , Mrri.- F. PALMER observed, tl country, and in this not improbable) is that there should thirwitnets had never been at t be a great emigration of population without a cones- jail ex,amined. He had not given pooding emigration of capital—(llear, hear.) Such 3 anivaer. state of things cannot be too much deprecated ;it is oily Li Several Members intimated that the removing misery from this country to other pa. is of the the Committee. world. If the House wish to promote the emigration of the unemployed poor, some provision should pies.. , wa fi a l t r he P •w A or L th l y E i a Ald s e a r id ma h n e 's t ' ) p a r d op t c onsty be n u de stunt of the last witness—(Cries a u for their profitable employment ( I,e • - wbete„ or that reasonable encouragement' should 5 Mr. Secretary PEEL remark *forded by the capital accompanying the enligran''. Alderman had only intimated the At present I shall not offer the least. opposition to Ce not coninvitted, Fos would hat • • -.- notion; but on .the 13th instant, I shall be able to ;" i harshnest. nod -extensiyely • into . the' getteiat subject, and in 1 :i 0 , 11 My. FERGUSON' said bewou ' ties - Weil:le lam anxious that the House should rece:v e • nes: s ptevaricitieril ; bet- gloater , • . ir ,- • - upgiu , orip • - ..•••••PTI ••