Star. — London, England, 1825-02-22 00:00:00

, sity which' now existed for re-enacting the Combination Laws, might cease. Sir G.PORGE COCKBUR,N observed, that in Ports mouth mid Plymouth, the shipwrights bad consented to work for labourers' wages, but that those on the banks of the Thames bad refused to comply with such terms, and were la consequence discharged. Mr. HUME was anxious to state, that so far from Government being deserving of blame for the conduct alluded to by the Honourable Member for Kent (Sir Ed ward Knatchbull) they deserved the highest praise.— They had chosen the fittest time for the course adopted respecting the shipwrights. He was sorry to add, that those who had laboured most to put masters and men on an equality, found their endeavours much thwarted by the conduct of the operative classes themselves. He hoped, however, they would have good sense enough to retrace their steps ; and he was assured that such would be the result. Belle would not disguise from himself nor the House, that in almost every part of the country. in Manchester, in Glasgow, and on the Thames, the i workmen had abused the privileges conferred on them by a recent Act of Parliament. They were not satisfied with restraining their masters within equitable bounds, I but would fain impose on them restrictions even more degrading than they had themselves previously endured. He trusted the masters would succeed in rejecting such fetters, and that artisans would see they were following a track dangerous to the country, and ruinous to them selves. If ship carpenters on the River and elsewhere should disregard the principles which set them at liberty, and turn round on their employers, he would have cause to deplore the event. The vote was then agreed to. The following sums were then voted : For Wages to Artificers and Labourers in his . s. d. Majesty's Dock-yards at Home . . . 560,000 0 0 For Timber and other Materials for the Build ing, Repair, and Fitting-up of his Majesty's Ships, ficc. For Pilotage, Salvage, &c. For Foreign Yards, Salaries, Wages, &c. For Victualling Yards For Medical Establishments . 538,304 0 0 . 40,000 0 0 . 52,022 13 5 . 73,572 0 . 53,510 13 11 For Royal Naval Cullege, and School of Arad teeture •. . . 6,252 12 7 . _ Fdr Wages to Officers and Ship-Keepers, and Men belonging to Vessels in Ordinary . 106,027 7 1 Fur Victuals to Officers, Ship-Keepers, &c. . 54,787 4 0 For Hired Packets - . 40,000 0 0 the Naval Half-pay to Flag Upon the vote of £897,500 to. fficers being proposed, Mr. HUME inquired whether the same tegulations prevailed in the Navy, relative to Officers taking Holy 01 ders, as in the Army ? Sir G. COCKBURN stated, that it had always been the practice of the Navy, that an Officer ceased to be borne on the Half-pay List upon entering Holy Orders. When the Order issued from the Horse Guards on this subject, it was with a view of putting the Army and Navy upon the same footing in this particular. It was, however, represented by some Officers who were in this situation long before the Order was issued, that this new regulation was a great hardship. In consequence of this a Minute was made by the Treasury, restoring the half-pay to those who had been in the receipt of it before the order was issued ; but for the future the two services would be upon the same footing in this respect. Mi. HUME observed, that such a regulation was un fair- upon the Officers of the Navy, if they received no • previous notice of it. Mr. CROKER said there could be no necessity forl any formal notice where the practice had always been one way, and that pet fectly understood by those uptlni whom it °pet aced. There was only one case in which there had occurred any attempt to disturb the ordinary course, and that was in the case of an Officer who took Holy Orders, and then returned to the Navy as a Chaplain. He served as Chaplain for some time, but not long enough to entitle bins to pension but be claimed permission, under t h e circumstances, to receive his , balf.pay. This, however, could not be granted.— The Vote was then agreed to, as were the following.: Fur the Superannuated Allowances and Passions to Officers end Officers' Widows . . aC131,692 18 2 Bounty to Chaplains 1,500 0 0 For the Compassionate List 7,000 0 0 Widows' Charity . 90,000 0 0 Greenwich Hospital 260,000 0 0 Civil Officers' Superannuation; 168,503 13 2 Mr. HUME wished to know why the peusiea of Percy Fraser, Esq. amounting to 4161. per annum, was added to this charge? He saw no reason why he should have such a pension. merely because he bad held a good situation, with a good salary attached to it, for sixteen years. He was a Naval Of Beer, and entitled to nomore than Naval half-pay. Mr. CROKER explained, that he had earned his half-pay before he took a civil employment, and was now entitled to the sum here objected to, on account of Superannuation Allowance, which the Bill of last year, of the Hon. Member for Yorkshire, bad caused to be restored to its present rate. If be had not taken a civil situation, his rank would have gone on, and his half-pay proportionably increased. On the vote of 182,6881. for the repairs of Dock-yards being proposed, Mr. HUME took occasion to observe upon the ex penditure of money for the Breakwater at Plymouth, a service which he understood to be comprised in the present vote. According to the deliberate manner in which they were going on with this important work it would rake twenty years to finish. Sir GEORGE CLERK said, that in consequence of a similar observation made in the House last Session, the officer superintending that work had been called on to know how much money he could manage to dispose of in a year? His answer was, that not more than the present vote could be expended. Three engineers how ever had been appointed to investigate the matter, and he should soon be able to lay their report before the House. In consequence of this, there might be hopes that they would go on at a more rapid rate nest year. Mr. HUNIE said. it was no wonder that an Officer who had a salary of I,OOW. a-year, should report that the work.in which he was engaged could not go on more rapidly. Sir G. CLERK said, that if the work were finished ill a year, the House would not think of diminishing the salary of this exemplary, able, and zealous Officer. Consider ing his services, bissalary was at the lowest possible rate. Mr. CROKER obseived, that the individual alluded to had been fifty yeats a savant of the Public ; and it the Hon. Member for Aberdeen were acquainted with his merits, the only regret he would feel upon the subject would be, that he could not long enjoy any situation or salary. The Vote was then agreed to; and the House baying resealed, the Report was ordered to be received to-morrow. CATHOLIC I.I4AUCIPATIOW. Mr. BROUGHAM rose to give notice on behalf of his Honourable Friend, the Member for Westminster (Sir F. Burdett). He bad been obliged to quit the Houle, and he had to state, that nothing bet accident had prey vented his presenting the Petition from the Catholics of Ireland, praying to be lelieved from all disqualifitil• tions. He had also the satisfaction to adil, that the him - that he If be had no other objection to tb.Bill, he observed, 'be should oppose it on - account of the singular concha of its supporters. Soireely any two of his Majesty's Mi nisters could agree upon the view they took of Ireland, in their motives for supporting this Bill; or in their ex pectations as to the results they anticipated. The Right Honourable Secretary for Foreign Affairs denied that the Catholic Association possessed the .respect of the Catholic people of Ireland e whilst his colleagues founded the support of the Bill upon the opposite con clusion. One party opposed the Association because it tended to delay the attainment of Catholic Emancipa tion, and others because it brought the Catholics into too great power. Either might be i ight ; both could not. If the result of this measure should be the continuance of tranquillity in Ireland, the Right Hon. Gentlemsull (Mr. Canning) may be satisfied that he was right in attri. buting to the Catholic Association but little influence..-- But then where is the necessity for the measure? If the contrary, however, should be the effect of it, the coun try would have to deplore it, regardless of the opinions or triumph of any particular Minister. He objected to the Bill, because no case by parole or documentary evi dence was made out in support of it; and because he feared it would be productive of alarm and discontent in Ireland. They were ptepared certainly on the first night of the Session for theintroduction of this measur e without any previous inquiry. In that respect Minis ters had kept their engagements with the House. But then they had introduced a measure in a manner unpre cedented, and in its nature highly dangerous and penal. It was supposed that the objectors to the measure in Ireland would feel too much respect for Parliament to oppose it. Were they to feel this respect for them be cause of their kindness to the Catholic leaders, or upon what ground could such a sentiment on their part be expected? For his part, lie thought any such feeling highly problemitical. Where a law was sought to be evaded, he always thought these was good ground to suspect that the law was a bad one; at least he was sure the converse of that proposition was true, and a bad penal law would be evaded. This Bill reminded him of an anecdote he bad heard relative to the late King of France, while in exile in thii country. A French Nobleman was summoned before him to answer lot some supposed offence against some supposed law. He did not attend, and was condemned, par contutnace, to consider himself imprisoned in the Conciergerie of Paris. The Nobleman accordingly considered himself in that situation, and walked the streets of London in close imaginary confinement in the dungeons of the Conciergerie, until death, after many years, came to re lieve him from captivity. Now this was the light in shin!' he viewed a law like the present, which it would be impossible to enforce. There were but two ways of governing Ireland—by penal laws, or emancipation. He said, give the Catholics of Ireland emancipation. He believed that Lord Wellesley coupled his advice fin this measure with a recommendation to grant Catholic emancipation. If this were the case, as he believed it was, he must say he did not think it quite fair to the House or the Irish Cabinet thus to pursue only one half of a recommendation. He called upon every Gentle man who valued civil and religious liberty, and the freedom of discussion in that House to join him in op. posing this gagging system of government. This attack upon the Association had had the effect of causing not only the Howard., the Talbets, and the Arundel., but the lowest priest is the country to link his fate Inseparably with those of the abettor* of this question. If the vessel in which the Catholic hopes were launched, were destined to be wrecked, the Catholics would, at least, be found to adhere to it as long as one plank remained. Sir E. KNATCHBULL thought himself entitled to conclude his judgment upon the present question, by the evidence of the Hon. Gentlemen in that House, i who came from the other side of the water. Flom them he had heard quite enough to convince him that the proper course to adopt was, to support the Bill. They had heard from the Hon. Baronet behind him (Sir H. Parnell) an account of the effect caused in his. past of the country, by the conflict between the two Missionaries from England, and the emissaries of the Catholic Association. Now he had a right to decide which party was the fitebrand here, and he gave his opinion against the Catholic Association—(Near, hear.) They bad heard described the affection and harmony which the character and conduct of the Right Honour ableAttorney-General for It eland had produced amongst his countrymen, and composing that with the present state of things, he had a right to refer it to the inter ference of the Catholic Association—(Hear, hear.) It was also well known, that Mr. O'Connell had great power in Ireland, and although lie might now use it fat good purposes, still he had a right to conclude that some time or another he might employ it for bad pur poses. Therefore, he would wish to dein ive him of his power. With regard to the Catholic Question, he had, upon honourable and conscientious motives, thought himself called upon to oppose the claims of the Catho lics. He would be quite ready to grant those claims when he thought he could do so with safety to the Church Establishment. Upon this subject the Right I-ion. Secretary for the Foreign Department had made a most important declaration. He had plainly told them that he was not a friend to the spoliation of the Irish Church, and this declaration had done more to gain the Right Hon. Secretary the confidtitc.: of the House, than any thing else he had said or 4k:one—Wear, hear). Mr. M. FITZGERALD wis hed to call the attention of the House to the practical effects of the measure.— He lamented the existence of the Association, and that the interests of the Catholics should be placed in the (bands of that body. The cause of the present state of Things was to be traced to Mr. Pitt's Administration, who told the Irish Catholics that Parliament would and could give that consideration to their claims, which they 'bould never hope to receive from their own Parliament. He and his friends bad long foretold the present state of things. It was impossible to foresee what shape the Association might next assume. The measure before the House was wholly inadequate for its intended end —(Rear ). At the time of. the Union, the Catholics looked with respect and attachment to the Government, and then all wounds might have been healed ; but now the whole was reversed, and that was owing to the suc cessive disappointments of the Catholics. But for this state of things the measure before the House was not the remedy. The authors of it calculated upon the mode ration and good feelings of the Catholics. if there was any real intention tog-rant the just claims of theCatholies, ibe Association would dissolve of. itself, without the possibility of a revival—( Cheers). It was extremely older to drag the Church of Ireland into the din eosaien. He was confident that if the tithes were eased to the Catholic Clergy, they would refuse them, and would act wisdi m doing so. He was of opinion that the present Pope wished to revive the ialluence of the regular Clergy, for the purposes of political power, Nadia principle was acting all over . He was not surprised that in the foreign Papas the English Government was held out as a maid of losolerance. Weald not that *plaid reach Ireland? He believed that the Bourls6Ol *ould hate' no reluctance to wield the powerof the Irish Catholics, and he should not be tdrprised if they should organize another Irish Brigade. 'the Irish wished to participate in the privileges of the Constitution, and that would conciliate all their affections. it required to be an Irishman, to understand the phrase made use of by the Association. They meant net to excite hatred, they only conjuredd-them by that hatred which they knew to exist. The Association had been carried on openly, under the observation of the Attorney-General for Ireland ; and in the only instance in which fie supposed they had violated the law, a Grand Jury threw out the Bill which he had preferred. Their language might, perhaps, be intemperate in some instances, but certainly not more so than the language in that House. He wished to ask if the Bill contemplated preventing Irish t Gentlemen from dining together? or did the Govern ment suppose that the language of Irish Gentlemen would be more temperate after dinner, than at any other time? It would be much better to suffer the opinions of the people to be openly expressed, than to drive the Catholics to parish-meetings, where certainly no Reporters would appear, and which would be con sequently more dangerous. The Hon. Gentleman sat down amidst loud cheers. Colonel TRENCH thought the evils under which Ireland laboured, were in a great degree beyond the reach of legislation ; all that legislation could do had been done, and hitherto, he regretted to say, that those efforts had been unsuccessful. The Legislature had not, however, been wanting in its efforts to ame liorate the condition of Ireland. The Assessed Taxes had been entirely repealed, and great impidbvements had been made in the Distillery Laws. Considerable exertions had also been made in attempts to introduce an improved system of education among the lower classes of the people. It was a subject of too general complaint, that justice was not administered in Ireland with impal tiality. The leader of the Catholics was inti mately acquainted with the habits and dispositions of the people of lieland, and he was well aware that they were ton discontented and dissatisfied under their situa tion nor to he desirous of anything in the way of change. Mei e was a law more powerful than any law hnman or divine, and that was the law of opinion. The most de• plorable climes and delusions had resulted [loin the effects of religious fanaticism; and among others, the' Honourable Member alluded to a case in which a Ca tholic, though he had himself preserved the life of one to whom he owed the greatest obligations, had declared that there were a hundred who would have considered the duty which they owed to their religion paramount to every other obligation—(Cries of Question). The Catholic Association had done nothing to tianquillize the country. Its tone was violent, and its manner, as an Honourable Member (Mr. Greitfell) had justly said, " bullying." The Association, instead of coming to Parliament in a humble and suppliant way, had as sumed a haughty tone, and endeavoured to terrify them. The existence of oho Association he believed hotfile to the peace and best interests of the country. He regretted that it had not been extinguished in its infancy. Mr. SYKES could nut coincide with the Honour able Gentleman who bad just sat down, as to the dan gerous character of the Association; nor could he enter tain the same opinion of the general tendency of their language ; and he should therefore feel himself com pelled to vote against the Bill for putting down the Ca tholics of Ireland. In the populous town which he re presented, the inhabitants were at one time violently opposed to the claims of the Catholics, but he had now icason to believe that, although Lis sentiments on the subject were known amongst the electors of Hull, yet he would not have a single opponent amongst them on that account, so great w as the change which had taken place in the minds of the people of England relative to !he justice of conceding Catholic Emancipation. He would advise them, in their treatment of the Association, to lie to their virtues very kind, lie to their faults a little blind, and no evil results need he apprehended. Mr. P. GRENFELL said, that it had been imputed to him, that he had sail that the Catholic Association were a bullying Association; but it was a gross mis conception. He had certainly voted for the bringing in the Bill, and now that it was brought in, he would vote against the second reading—(Cheers).--He had said, that they ought not to submit, and he would main -1 tain that opinion—for six millions should never submit 1 1 to be domineered over by one. lie most sincerely hoped they would not; and if they resisted, he hoped they would be success ful.—'fbe Honourable Gentleman sat down amidst loud cheer's from the Opposition.—Colonel TRENCH explained. Mr. PHILLIPS said, that the people of Lancashire felt no alarm, in consequence of the proceedings of the Association; and had no hesitation in sending goods there as usual. So long as there was a divided Cabinet, upon a measure so important to the tranquillity of Ireland, it was in vain to seek that tranquillity from; other measures. He was almost ashamed of the name of Englishman, while the Government were degrading the country in the eyes of Europe, by their gross illiberality upon a question of Religion. The cries of " Question, " now became general, and the G aller y was cleared for a division — For the Second Reading 253 Against it ••• - 107—Majority 146. Mr. HUME gave notice of a motion for Wednesday next, for a Return of all Officers of his Majesty's Navy promoted during the last three years. The other Orders of the Day were then disposed of, and the House adjourned at a Quarter past Eleven. Angle A private letter from Cadiz says : " You can have no adequate conception of the sensation which the news of the British Gevernment being about to acknowledge the Independence of South America, produced here. Many [ Spanish merchants, who were intending to enter into commercial speculations with Fern and other places, were quite paralyzed when the news of tat recognition arrived, and all the Spaniards, as wen as the French, are Indignant against England and Englishmen." Yesterday evening, between three and four hundred ,Gentlemen were locked up in the Royal Exchange, owing to their non-compliance with the regulation of departjng at the customary signal. We observed them from the windows at Lloyd's at a quarter-past five, close prisoners. A Petition was presented. on Friday night, to the House of Commons, for cutting a Skip Canal through Central America, for the pu rpose of uniting tha Atlantic with the Pacific Ocean, and for mining and other purposes in Mistimes. In the discussion on the Hydrabad Papers at the India House, the main question seems to be—Was the Interest on the Loan to the Nissan Government, moderate, or immoderate P Thla must entirely depend on the Abner* at the time of advancing the Loan ; for Interest is composed of two parts ; one for the use of Money, the other as Insurance against Risk; and under the precarious state of some Governments, 50 per Cent. for a Loan would be no mote usurious than Four per Cent. if advanced on the National Security of England. The groat simples of Foreigners, is, that in this Country, akhough the palms* is guaranteed by Government, yet ally person who pays len den AP in buying a Lottery !taci t can I gels 42000 la a fevi Ilredie, In the preset Mean of Tear Mon be Drawn is One Day, lath AIM THE EVENING STAR • LONDON. TUESDAY, FEBRUARY 22, 1825. THE FUNDS. STOCK EXCHANGE, TWELVE O'CLOCK. Consols opened this morning at 941 to 1 for the Account, with little doing; since which they have become sellers at 941. FOREIGN FUNDS. In the Foreign Market the chief business is in Mining Shan* which remain steady. Current Prices; Neils' Spanish 1911, Old 2411, Russian 971 1, Mexican 804 4, Colombian New 901 1, Chilian 891 90, French Scrip 151 4, Austrian 071 1. Portuguese 901, Brazilian Scrip 41, Mexican Scrip 34 4, Greek 571 58, Greek Scrip 14 Gold Coast 21, Gaaltol. SBA RILL Alliance Assurance - £lOO - Anglo Mexican Mines - 100 United Mexican ditto - 40 Colombian ditto - 100 Pasco Peruvian ditto - Brazilian ditto Buenos Ayres ditto - Chinas 100 - - tA 10. £lO 10 10 ?Mat In-DAY. se 130 139 150 135 40 41 45 46 17 1* 29 30 12; 13 ['NICE OF STOCKS AT ONE O'CLOCK. Bank Stock 238% lk 9 1 4, .3 per Cent. Red. 95 4% S per Cent. Cons. 94 1 / 4 4 3i per Cent. Red. 101 4 per Cent. New 106 1 / 2 • Long Ann. 23 1 4 IndiA Bonds .99 .01d Annuities 94% £l,OOO Esclieq. Rills (2d.) 63 2 ; (1 1 1 d.) 6'2 4 2 1:500 ditto (2d.) 63 2 ; (1 Ihd.) 62 4 2 4.:100 and £2OO ditto (2d.) 64 2 ; (1 1 ,( 2 d.) 65 2 India for Acct. 286 Cons. for Acct. 941/$ Both Houses of Parliament met last night. In the House of Lords little was done, but that little was by no means unimportant. It has been often asserteJ that our Navy is in a state of great dilapidation, owing to the dry-rot; and the report gve gr eat uneasiness to the staunch admirers of the " Wooden -- Rlls of Old Eng land." Last night, Earl DARNLEY, in presenting a peti tion from Mr. BURRIDGE, praying for a full inquiry into the state of the Navy, observed, that the reports as to the bad state and inefficiency of our Navy, were not onl y erroneous but unfunded. Lord NI ELVI Lt. went still far ther, and stated,that in consequence of the reports which had prevailed on that subject, a most minute inquiry had been made some time since byorder of theAdmiralty,and the result had been utost satisfactory. It had appeared. indeed, that irt a few instances, beams of ships had decayed,but that, upon the whole, the Royal Navy had never been in a sounder state than it was at present. His Lordship added, that as the good old custom of building ships with well-seasoned timber was now resorted to, there would be t no future danger of dry rot, and that nailing hereafter would affect the . dura bility of ships thus built. This etplanatiOn is as de cisive as it is satisfactory. In the House of Common, the call of the House was not enforced, but was postponed to Monday reit. The Navy Estimates were afterwards brought for ward iti Committee of Supply, and considerable progress made in them. Mr. GOULZURN'S Bill for suppressing unlaw ful Societies in Ireland, was read a second time ; the numbers being for the second reading 253, against it 107, Maj ority 146. This evening, Sir FRANCIS BURDETT will present the Petition of the Irish Roman Catholics. By the letters received from Madrid, which are dated the Bth instant, we learn that some ludicrously impotent measures are contemplated by way of retalia tion for the conduct of England in the recognition of the new American States. The total prohibition of cotton goods (which it had been determined to admit at as ad valorem duty) is now to be continued, and the duty on fish, which there had been some thonghts of reducing, is now to remaif► at its full rate; and, indeed, all thoughts of conciliating England is laid aside. These letters also contain some particulars respecting the nature of the attempt new making, under the name of a loan, to get from the English a few millions more. The principal agent in the affair is a M. GORBEA, a banker of Madrid, who comes invested with very full powers on the subject. 'Provided the money can only be raised, no particular nicety will be put in practice with regard to the terms. The snm wanted is only 2,000,000,000 of reals (about 20,000,0001. sterling), for which the Spanish Government is willing to issue a stock bearing 5 per cent. at 40, on condition that the contractors will take out of the market quietly and enostentationsly the odious bonds issued under the Cortes, so that the ear of FERDINAND may never again be insulted by the mention of them. It is calculated that this arrangement will give a value to these bonds of from 25 to 30 per cent. thus making the new stock 'cost the contractors from 65 to 70 per cent. On the nature of the security for paying the interest of the large debt proposed thus to be created, the letters are little explicit, the only one mentioned being that of the caiue d'amortissement, or sinking fund, in which we believe, by the way, that these is not at this moment a single searavedi. There is something irresistibly amus ing in the situation under which this transaction presents Spain. Enraged to the highest degree against England, and wanting nothing but power to do any .;c t which might deeply injure us, she yet appears as a suppliant on the Royal Exchange of London, and that chiefly for &purpose which, if successful, would do us a much greater wrong than the loss of the money ; for it is not at all attempted to be concealed, that when obtained, it is to be employed in raising troops to conquer the South American States. There is every appearance at present, however, that M. GORSE& will lose his labour; and we believe that not one capitalist of favour• Honourable Baronet had desired him to aty that he • . would certainly, tomorrow week, make this Petition the subject of a motion (Ache House.-I'be Petides itself be would present to-usesrow. I , ASSOCIATIONS IN HUMANA Mr. GOULBURN moved the order of the day for the second reaft_a_Lthe Unlawful Societies in Wand DM ; Lord NUGEW began by moving an amendment to this motion, that the Bill be *ad that day si* • • cli r urrigmougs ' W S 1... " .. ..''' app cal •vabb ..... r .....-.... --- -- -, - guaranteed by Government, yet ost leis . lin buying a Lottery Ticket, can I hare the Mo sey on demand, asla bour ; and we believe that not one capita list of toe of £90,000, ac. am All to hi g h character and respectability has yet lent a favour- -4 able eat to his propositions. .. . 1110•••• Q.v.+. • PP