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PAIII : IAMEIvriiRr PROCEEDIAGS. HOUSE OF LORDS, MONDAY, MAY 6. The Committee of4oftrileges fat, at half tuft two o'clock. for detiheratton on the fubjedß of e he menage from the Houle of Com mons requefting their lawdfhips' pcnnilion for Lord Wank to attend the &Ica Committee. Strange rs were excluded during the fitting of the Committee ; which aii4,urned 6Y Thurfday next, without baying come to any &Tifton. On re.admitEots below the Bar, we found Lord GRENVILLE on his Ire% giving notice that be mould, en Friday next, bring forward his motion upon the Petition of the Irith Catholics; and his Lordibip moved, that the Lords be (un mated for that day—Ordered Several private Bills were brought up front the Commons, and ordered to lie on the table. ORDER OF THE DAY. The Order of the Day being read, for the feeond reading of the Untverfity Advowfnn Bill, Lord MULGRAYE hoped their Loathing would have no oh jation to poftponc the feeond reading until Wesinefday, as a No ble Friend of his (Lord Sidmouth) bad a clank of amendment to propofe. After a few words from the Biihops a Oxford and St. Afaph, and the Lord Chancellor, it was agreed to defer the keond reading till Wednefday. Lord MIILGRAVE reminded the Houle that he fbould, to. morrow,bring forward his intended motion refpating the expung ing of the Standing Orders relative to Committees. Their LordMips heard Counfei, in final reply, on the Scots Ap peal Caufe of CafElis and Blayne. The LORD CHANCELLOR Melte at tome length upon the general merit of the eaufe, but deferred final judgment till this day tortnight.....Adjourned. HOUSE OF COMMONS. The SPEAK F.lit having taken the Chair, acquainted the Houk that he had received a letter from the Comrniflioners of Naval En- quirt', In anfwer to his of the Vote of Thanks paned on Friday laft. The SPEAKER then read the anfiver. expreflive of the grati tude of the Commiffioners for the high honour conferred upon them by a Vote of Thanks from the Houle of Commons, and thanking the Speaker for the handfome manner in which he had communicated it. The Hon. Mr. JOHN PANE prefented a Petition from the County of Oxford againft the Roman Catholic Petition..—Ordcr cd to lic on the Table. The frith Firtt Fruits Bill was read a flrft time, and ordered to be read a fecond time on Wednefday. On the motion of Mr. WESTERN, it was agreed that an ac count of all Corn, Grain, and Flour, imported from Scotland Into London, and the other ports of England, from the tBth of OCto ber, t Bor, to the fault time to which fuck accounts can be made up. be laid upon the table of the Notate. The Military Expenditure, and Naval Commidloners Conti nuance Bills, wereread a fccond time, and ordered to be com mitted ou Friday next. MIDDLESEX ELECTION. Mr. CALCRAFT prefented to the Houle the Declaration of Sir Francis Burdett, as amended from that which had been pre fented on the asth of April, by the °ninon of all the parts which were deemed informal, and which we Owl' of courfe omit alfo.— The following are the words of the Declaration : " Whereas, oo Wednefday, the 13th day of March Taft, a Ped tints fubfcribed with the names of George Boulton Mainwaring, Efq. therein dated to have been, at the left Bolton for the County of hfiddlekx, a Candidate to reprefent the Paid County in this pre. feat Parliament; Sir William Gibbons, Baronet; Sir William Curds, Baronet; Henry Thornton, Efq. WiWant IViellith. EN. and Samuel Pepys Cockerel', Efq. was prefented to this Houk, complaining of my ekdion and return to ferve in this pretax Parliament. as a Knight of the Shire for the County of Middle-rex, which Petition this Houfe has ordered to be taken into confider*. lion on Fuefday, the 7th May next. " And whereas, on Wednefday, the roth day of April left, this Houk ordered, That the kid Petitioners fhould, upon the aoth, day of this inftant April, by thenefelves or their Agents, deliver to me or my agents, lifts of the perfons intended by the laid Peti tioners to be objected to, who voted for me, giving in the Paid the feveral heads of oblation, and dillinguifiting the fame againft the names of the voters excepted to. And that I Gould by myfeif or my agents, at the [ante time, deliver like lilts on my part, to the Paid Petitioners or their agents. And whereas it appears upon the fax of the Sheriff 's Pod, taken at the Paid Eledtion, that at the fald Seddon 5833 perfons voted for me, and 283 a for the Paid George BoUlton Mainwaring, anicunting in the whole to s66s perfons actually polled, and that 103 perfons tendered their votes for me, and 99 for the raid George Boulton Mainwaring, making %CZ tendered votes. la the whole 586- "rates polled and tendered. " And whereas, between the ''aid thirteenth day of March Wt, when the raid Petithm was prefented to this Houle, and the aoth of this inftant April, on which day this Houk ordered the fad Lifts to be exchanged, there was not fufficient time for me by my fed or by my agents to examine into the rights ot 5867 Voters. fo as to enable me to make out with fulEcient certainty a Lift of the objedionable Voters received en the Poll for the Paid George ' Boulton Ma:nwaring, with the revere' heads of objedtion in the manner ordered by this Houle. And therefore no fuch Lift, nor any Lift bas been made out ur delivered by me to the Laid Peti tioners or their Agents. " And whereas the laid Petitioners hare delivered to me a Lift of the perfons who voted for me, objected to by them, with the kural heads of objedion, amounting to 1944 perfons. But be tween the loth day of this inftant April, the day on which, purfu ant to the above-mentioned Order of this Houk, they delivered the laid Lift to me, and the 7th day of May next, an interval of only fixteen days, on which day the Paid Petition is ordered to be taken into confideration, there is not fufficient time to examine into and afeatain the rights and titles of 1944 perfects therein oh• jcdted to, fo as to enable me to maintain and defend the (ante. " Now, by virtue of the proviGons and enadtments contained in the fecond fedion of a certain Aft of Parliament, paged in the 68th year of the reign of his prefent Majelty, chap. s 2, Intituled— s An Aft for the further Regulation of the Trials of Controverted 6 Eledions, or Returns ei Members to ferve in Parliament Ido inform this Houk by this my Deelaradon in writing fubferibed by me and delivered in at the Table of this Houk, that It is not my intention to defend my Paid Eledion or Return." The Claufe of the diCllTille Ad. to which the above refers, was read at the Table, and the Speaker explained to the Hook what was the regular order of proceeding according to the terms of the AEI, and added, that a notification of this Rep &add be publiawd in the Gazette of Tuefday evening. After a few obfervations from the Secretary at Wir and Mr. 'Henry Thornton, as to the wording of the firit part of the Declara• tion, which they conceived to be unneceffary ; it was ordered that the Petition be taken into confideration on Friday the 7th of June. LORD MELVILLE. Mr. WHITBREAD rote, and fpOke to the fol lowing effat Whatever motives may be attri buted to my conduct, during the courfe of the hufi nefs which I have undertaken, there are none, I troll, who will not fuppofe that I have been imprelTed with feelings of anxiety ; but thofe feelings were not to be itompared with what I now experience. There are two points open before us; the one leads US to immor tal honour, and the other, if we are guided by mit take, will lead to the diflionour of the Houfe, and the defliment of the public ioterell. If it had been propofed that the Refulutions of the Bth of April jhoold have been immediately followed up by an Ad dref, to his Welly, to difmifs Lord Melville from the places he holds, and from his councils and pre tence for ever, I apprehend there would Got have been a digenticnt voice." _ _ _ 7 1'he CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER • called Mr. Whitbread to order, and Paid, that lie uti derdond the order which flood fo> that day was to take into eonfideration hi, Majekv's sawer. He had a communication to make t« the Houfe, which would anticipate what the Honour a ble Gentleman might have to propofe, and he put it . his candour whether it would not have been proper 'to have given him an opportunityto date briefly what . be had to lay. iL.whlris RE A D.7.4oWhatereretn, suntiicationi the Right Hon. Gentleman may. have to mate, will come with more proeriety after the motion which I thall fubriiit to the haute. Ido perfitt that if Mr. Dundas had been a member of the Houfe of Com mons, and there had been a motion made for his ex pulfion, there would not have been a dafentient voice. During the Wines which had been before the Houfe, I have been atuated by no party mo tives—my °Nal has been to obtain not a (tray vote, but the independent fuffrage and votes of the Mem bers of this Houfe. The fecond day after the Refo lutions palled, I moved the Hotifeetbat an Addrefs be prefented to his Majesty, praying that Lord Mel ville flumld be difmiffed from his councils and pre tence for ever. It appeared to be the. fenfe of the Houle that the Refolutions fhould be carried up to the throne. Lord Melville, it is true, refigned his place, but he was not difmiffed. The Right Hon. Gentleman told us that his name was not aruck off the lift of privy councillors, and he faw no reafon why it lhould but the public felt differently upon this fubjeCt. Under thefe circumftances a Commit tee has been appointed, but Lord Melville has been excluded from enquiry. A civil profecution has been commenced against him, and a Right Hon. Gentle. man propofed that it should be turned into a crimi nal one. It is recorded upon the Journals of the Houfe, that Lord Melville has been guilty of a vio lation of the law, and a high breach of duty. I know it has been contended, that Lord Melville has been fufficiently punned. I (hail not eafily forget the impreffive words of the Right Hon. Gentleman Oppolite (Mr. Pin), when he aced, if Lord Melville had riot been punned ? If I poffefs accuracy fuffi cient to dillinguali between the refolutions that have paffed, and the meafure I now propofe, if the latter Una carried, I contend he is not punithed at all.— If he is fenfible of remorfe, and poffeffes a broken heart and a contrite fpirit, be is punithed, in one fenfe, fuperior to any puni(bment that can be intliS ed by this Houfe, inafmuch as it is intlifted by a higher hand : but it behoves us to inflict force punifh ment, to serve as an example to others. We mutt take care that no man in his fitnation treads in his Reps. And let us take care that we do equal joßice, that we 2tis not (offer delinquents of a greater magni tude to elbstPe. Senfations of honour are not con fined to noble hearts, but a common clerk feels as acutely as any body,if his feelings are accompanied by lofs of charafter and lofs of bread. And tho' it is highly probable that his family would be reduced to a Rate of starvation, Rill the law mutt have its viaim • it does not feek oppreffion, but justice and exampl.— In the name of wino, dersisprente. in the name of the Reprefentative Body of England, and in the name of the Refolutions of the Bth of April, I call upon the Houfe to-execute that which is butbare fimple justice upon Lord Melville. If we lived in a time of contention between the King and Parliament, wissn it was neceflary to hedge ourselves about with lops and abaraS propofitions ; if then a grant ptigic Of ficer was proved of having been guilkt br a grofs violation of the law, and a high breach of duty; if that delinquent was brought forward for puniffiment, he could not efcape. If it becomes the duty of the Houfe of Columns to punish in fuck cafes, there is no time when it is not proper to pronounce fentence. It should be recorded tb poßerity, as it mull be, that Lori Melville has been detested in . grofs malverfa lions in his office, by peifons appointed by Parlia ment; and if he has been proved guilty of a grofs violation of the law, will it not be matter of alto nifbment pofterity, if we only leek to recover the money, and tali& no punishment to deter others from the like praCtices ? If it thould be found, after a certain period, that the Houfe of Commons have not punned him farther ; that he was fupported by his colleagues in office, and a month paffed without any penal proceeding:, would it not be proper then to revile the matter, and record, that the Houfe of Commons had been guilty of a grof: eltreliaion of chit? What would then be thought of the vote of thanks to thofe perfons who investigated the burr. nets, and of their being re-appointed to their office? —lf, after it was found that the Refolutions were not carried by a faction, but were folemnly decided by a perfon who could not be Wailed by partia lity ; if, in a cafe where there is no defect in the proofs, which Rand upon the evidence of the perfon convicted, and who never denied the charge, it mutt be matter of furprife if it should be found that the Houfe of Commons have not done their duty, and followed up guilt with punilhment. I do not ref the cafe on any clamour out of doors ; petitions lie upon the table from different parts of the country, pro. nouncing Lord Melville guilty, and there is a general cry to execute jultice. What next ? Why Minifters proteet him from punifhment ; perfons pluming themfelves upon their political purity, and upon the impoffibility of finding a flaw in their conduft, have turned the public opinion into contempt. On the R of May, the Sheriffs of London prefented an ad drefs to his Majeßy, expreffing a (hong prefumption that Lord Melville's name had been (truck off the lift of Privy Councillors ; but what anfwer did his Majef ty return ? Why Minifters advifed him to return an equivocal anfwer, but not a word pofitive on the fob. jet of complaint. I do hope that, after having taken the King's anfwer into confideration, the Houle will think it right to addrefs his Majefly farther on the fubjett. lam anxious that no tardy Reps should in terfere between the dignity of the Houfe and that opinion which the people entertain of their reprefen tatives. I hope lam not fpeaking improperly of the public opinion : but when there remains no doubt upon a fubjed, and a perfon is felt convicted, it is fit the Houle thould concur with popular opinion, where it is conformable to ftriEt justice. There is no reafon why we thould aop short in our proceedings, not withstanding any communication from the Right Honourable Gentleman. Let us fee what puni(hment the Houfe can Mid ; there is impeachment ; there is proceeding by a bill of pains and penalties ; there kdifmilhion from all places of emolument and trua under the Crown. What I propofe is lighter than there. After the order of the day for taking into confederation his Majelly's anfwer is difpofed of, I (hall move 44 that an humble addrefs be prefented to his Majeßy, praying that Lord Viscount" Melville may be removed from all offices of truft and emo lument which he holds during the pkafure of the Crown, and from his Majeay's prefence and Cotincile for ever." The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER-- " As the order of the day, Sir, was for the confiders sign of bis Maleßy's anfwcr to the adolotions of this Honk. patted en the Eth and foal ultimo ; and as I in common form and moil (dual praßice, the order of the day is, with reference to fuch matters, firß moved before any debate is gone into, I own I did expea the Hon. Gentleman would have taken a courfe different from what he has purfued on the prefect occafion, and hate contented himfelf with limply moving the confederation of his Majefly's an fwer. The reason of my not rifing in the first inftance, and previoufly to the Hon. Member's offering 'him felf to your notice, Sir, was that erpeitation, which, fence ufual praßiee taught me fo to view the matter, I had formed to .nyfelf of the line of procedure which the Hon. Gentleman would adopt. What, in the fiat inflance, I should have Rated, could I have imagined that the cuftomary ufage of Parliament would Be departed from this night, I am now, Sir, to commu nicate to you and to the Houle. In confequence, Sir, of occurrencks which have recently taken plate, his Majefty has been advifed to direct, that the name of Lord Vilcount Melville Mould be Rruck out of the lift of Piivy Councillors ; and his Majefty has gi►en dire ions accordingly, for the erafure of the name of the Noble Lord, which will take place the first day the Council fits to tranfa& bufinefsc 66 I will explain to you, and the Houfe, Sir, the circumftances under which f have thought it my duty to advice his Majefty to the proceeding now an nounced, and likewife thole circuit:fiances, under which I did not at one tittle think it my duty fo to advife, or that I ought fo to advife my Sovereign. The Hon. Gentleman has alluded to the &cum (lances of the debate which occurred jut} previous to the recefs ; and ft:notes me to have on that occafion not attended, in the degree I was bound to do, to the fuggellions and voice of. Parliament. lam in the recolleaion of the Houfe, if the charge thus in timated be or be not wellfounded ? I fay it is un. founded. The circumtlances of the debate, previous to the recd., were, that a motion was made exprefsly with a view to this Rep of addreffing his Majefty, but it was relinquifhed, and a fubllitute motion intro duced, quite , altering the terms, if not the whole pur port of the queßion. What did I ? I did not fay that the motion for the Addrefs was not a confe quence deducible from your vote, but I did refrain from lending the fanaion of my approbation in any way to a motion, the (Ned and purport of which molt of thofe Hon. Members who had voted for the Refolutions of the r oth, appeared to me not tis coun tenance. As to the Addrefs in itfelf, lam farther in the recolleition of the Houfe, if I raid that, in drift reafoning, the Addrefs was not a deduftion from the centime the Houfe had thought proper to pats on Lord Melville. I did not fay that it was not a confequenee, but I dtd fay that Lord Melville would not return to office unlefs circumftances should tranfpire, in the progrefs of the examinations into his cafe. which thould induce the Houk to vary its con and reverie its proceedings. Many Gentlemen wgit ;thwilling, from the unequivocal natute of the refoliitions of the Bth, to vote for the addrefs, think ing thole refolutions coupled with my declaration on the tubjea of Lord Melville's return to office, :lA cient both as punithment to the Noble Lord, and as guarantee for the maintenance of the dignity of the Houfe thole Gentlemen wifhing not to give an additional wound to the feelings of individuals by a meafure not indifpenfible to carry into effea the real objeB of the vote of the Bth. 66 Again, Sir, I underfkood from the other fide of the Honfe, that the Gentlemen did not with to prefs the Addrefs, but limply to lay the Refolutions be fore his Majefty, in the fuppofition that his Majetty might not know otherwife that the Houk had paired fuch refolutions. Now, under thole circututtances, not underftanding that it was the with of the Houfe for me to advife the proceeding which I have an nounced to-night ; but, indeed, underßanding that the Gentlemen over againft me were unanimous in regarding the Addrefs as not material, as what they would willingly forego, I did not think it my duty to be the perfon to move his Majtfly to a Rep fo painful as that of the erafure of the name of Lord Melville from the lift of the Royal Councillors. If, on the other hand I had underliood by a fentiment even far short of a vote, that it was the with of the Houle that I should advice the Crown as now I have, I would have done fo ; but not underfianding it fo, 1 did not recommend the meafure. 6 ' Since then notice has been given of the prefent motion, I have not failed to avail myfelf of every means to learn the fentiments of Gentlemen ; and I am free to confers that the fentiments of many re fpeitable Members, even who did not vote for the Refolutions of the Bth, are in favour of the advice which I have humbly fubmitted to the throne, and I do not doubt that if the motion of the Honourable Member is pretted, it will be carried. ai Now, Sir, the motive which firft of all induced me to with to have fpared the Honourable Gentleman the trouble of making his motion was, that I did be lieve the communication I hid to announce would obviate debate ; having rnyfelf come down refolved that if it tbould be the prevailing fenfe of the Houfe that the motion of the Honourable Gentleman should he adopted, I thould not give the Houfe the trouble of going into an unnecellity difcnffion, with which view it was that I was defirons to have caught your eye previous to the Honourable Member's entering *pan his fpeech. 16 With regard to the line of eondua I have pm% • fued, I have only to add that, under a change of cit.- cumnances, I have formed a judgmentdifferent from what I entertained in the other cafe ; and under fuch change of circumflances, I have recommended to his Majefty to crate the name of Lord Melville from the Council-book. " I may be allowed to feel much, and peculiarly on this occafion I certainly do feel a deep and bitter pang at having to difcharge this my duty to the Houfe and the public. Any canfe of forrow to Lord Melville will raife in my mind emotions of anguifh The blow to Lord Melville, whether one of degra dation real or nominal, whether an injury light or fubftantial, whether the refult of popular (Inquietude or of the popular fenfe of jullice milled, from what ever fourco the degradation of Lord Melville, how ever tranfient, is an event to occaGon me the utmoit pain. This is a feeling of which Tam not afhamed. It is a feeling I cannot feparate from my bofom. It is a feeling which I could not feparate from my con du & but from refpea to the opinion of this Hotife, to the fentiments of Parliaments and to regard for my public duty. I will add no pore. I own I think the precut dircudion was nnnecefrary ; and if rrst onneceffary, I can believe that it is not more gottif,ing to others —to thole over againft me—than it is me." Mr. FOX.-66 Sir, I do not tile to prefs the mo tion of my Hon. Friend . The commithication an nounced to the Houfe may be quite fofficient. But I cannot avoid remarking, that the Houfe and the country, as well as my Hon. Friend who moved, anti - me who fnppcirted the kelolutions of the Bth of April have gained a moll honourable, if not a complete triumph. The Eionourable Gentleman, Sir, has told us - that he has advifed his Majelty to difmifs Lord Melville from his councils. When we confider who has done fo; when we retie& on the compofition of the Miniftry from whom this adeice ;trued ; when %V bear in mind that one of thole is a Minifler who ex tolled the Noble Lord as' an old andfdiryid fervant of the public,' and another (the Honourable Gen deman), one who thought that where Parliament faw a p rofs violation of law,' and, high breach of duty, ' he would have amended our refolutions by fubftituting Contrary to the kreatioit of the legifia tore ; when I retie& on tittle things, Sir, I may truly fay that the advice fo reluctantly, fo tardily, given to his Majelty, has made the cattle of juflice triumph. " It is the triumph of juflice. The Hon. Gentle maiohas not conceded to us or to Parlittment, but to his neceffity. Thus, when I hear the Hon. Gen tleman talk of his profound reverence for public opinion, and deference to the fentiments of this Houfe, I think myfelf called up , n to iiiew the cafe; and to with that what we have had announced to us this night had taken place on the toth. With relped to the proceedings, however, of that night, I cannot help noticing fotne of the obfervations which have fallen from the Honourable Gentleman. The Hon. Gentleman lays, that the Houfe, at leatt a majority, exprelfed themfelves content on the toth, if the Re ! folutions were laid at the foot of the Throne, only in order that his Majefty might know what the Houfe had done. Now, Sir, I mull think that the Houfe went beyond this in their expeClations. Undoubtedly the Houfe were defirous that the kefolutions fhould be laid befbre his &Nay ; but all exile ltd that his Majefty would have taken steps to mark his fenfe of the purpofe with which the Houfe of Commons came to the vote of the Bth. 66 But Waters tell us that they have changed their opinions. I with, Sir, that what induced Minifters to change their opinions had been a fubmiflion to the opinions of the Public, and of the majority of this Houfe; but I fear their ffibmillion, and the advice they have at laft given their Sovereign, it is confe. pence of as exterior intrigue and compromife. (Mr. Pitt, No 1) —Mr. Fox. "It may be fo, Sir—l know no more of the matter than other Gentlemen ; but how far it will be honourable to the parties the public will judge. One circumflance we d 3 find worthy of remark. The Hon. Gentleman takes a long time to collect the opinion of the Houfe, and takes the very laft moment to declare his opinion to fatisfy the juft exPeetations of that public which he profeffes fo greatly to retpeet, and of this Houle, to whofe he affects fo implicitly to bend. When did the Hon. Gentleman fairly know that the advice he has given was in unifon with the opinion of the Houle ? But now having dircovered this opinion, is it the fame as if the Hon. Gentleman had advifed his Majefty be fore ? I wilt not fay whether the circumllance is a difference enough to render the motion of my Hon. Friend neeeffary. Indeed lam willing to allow that I think the difference between the Mirtifter advifing and this Houle addreffing his Majetty, is not enough to render the motion neceffary. The delay in advifing, his Majefty is, however, not a little (hiking. The motion for laying the itefolutions of the Bth before his Majesty palled on the loth. Several weeks have thus elapfed of fufpenflon of Lord Melville from of fice, but no act of degradation or erafure takes place. Still the difference is not very material, whether now the name of Lord lvielrille be (truck oat by the King, or by a vote of this Houle: Why I notice the cercumaance is to mark the perfeverance of the Minister. Lord Melville is defended to the laft The Hon. Gentleman has fought the battle of the N ,, ble Lord till the tall Tilt the laft jullice is re fuled by the Minifter to the demands of the people of England and the world joltice is to be done. —1 hope it will be fpeedily done, though it has been tardily done, and that the erafure of the name of Lord Melville will be followed by fleps to thew that the Houfe is determined to follow up its opinion oa this fubjeCt. I hope the Houle will take every mea- Cure for accomplitbing thole great obje6ls of public economy which it avowedly polieffes ; and that in profecuting a fubllantial reform of abules, it will take a fair review, and make a full inveltigation of all malverfatione in Government. With refpeel to the immediate cafe of Lord Melville, whether there are grounds for going into other queltions, fuch as that of his difmiffal from all offices held under the Crown during pleafure, I am not prepared to fay; but the Houle has not a pledge for enquiries by the Minister; for the triumph of to-night is not granted, but extorted. Lord Melville is given up, becaute the Minister finds that he would be beaten on a divifion, and becaufe he has found, in the progrels of Nit; privii;e tails l2 s, that the majority of that on whom he relied, have, on this quettion, unexpeetedly turned their backs urn him, and call for farther, but yet not vindictive punifa• ment. Let •not the Hon. Gentleman deceive hita• fell. Canvas, intrigue, or compromife, will not now avail. The eyes of the world are fixed on the Britifh Houle of Commons. I can tell him, the public is agitated, and cape& wher mediates befides that ;1 e 1 !1 ! : ia t o h h n e e ch TlTw i t h a Hon.fatr morn G th o e n f t v i a r e i cemaa: f r ont rl°:pniledht:n C ou nc il F iif r fi e mn i 0 8 E n tle effi ri c t i i e t n it t ik c n n a m t!] l a. i. Thcfe, he will And, are not times for ft ifiing." The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER— " The Hon. Gentleman teems defirous to know ?te ther my opinion is in conformity to the opinion of the Houfe ; and infinuates, that the advice I have thought it my duty to give to he. Majelty, ; th: re• full of exterior intrigue and compromife. Now, I anfwer, that I do adt on the opinion of the Float . : but give a molt peremptory and pofitive denial to the latter affertions of the Honourable Gentienon. Have I then offended againft the propriety of proceedings ? I did fay, that other debates had taica place, in which different opinions from thole avowed' on the loth, had been Rated ; and, in addition, that I had collected the fenfe of leveral Men.;or; of Parliament, refpeeting the object of tht tn , linn of this night. Was there, in my doing in, at:y the..; , • f ,