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-.w se . tarlsof SO VIOL x hid, he agreed completely in opinion with the Noble Earl who (poke laft, and added, that he knew Ireland well, having lived in ~ it tome tim:, and could fay that in no inffance was _ the tranquillity of the country disturbed, or the ,4. quiet of the people excited, but when temporary .' :itk or oppreflive ills routed the miferable peafant to tumult or difaffedion. He remembered extremely Well, that being on a vifit at the houfe of a Gen. tleman of confiderable landed property in that country, his labourers, to the number of a dozen, having finided a very hard day's work, for which each of them had but fixpence per day, he gave them in the evening, as a premium for their toils, one folitary fixpence between them, which his Lord(hip obferving to him was he thought a very (mall token of his gratitude, and Rill a frnaller ob- Jed for their confideration, immediately replied,— " Oh, it is enough to buy deeheen." Now, Paid his Lordlhip, when the gratuity of a halfpenny each to a dozen men was confidered by a man of landed property in that country as a matter of magnitude, a tolerable idea might be formed of ;he opprefflon under which the poor of that coun try laboured. It was circumftances of this de • fcription, it was the high price of provifions, and the low and abject Hate of labour there that pro duced difcontents, and not difaffeetion to the mo- Para! or his government. Not very long fince, after the - late General Abercromby returned from the chief command in, Ireland, he informed his Lorddip, that in cempany with his Aid-du-camp, and but one fervent, he made his military tour of Ireland unmolefted and undilturbed ; he wondered therefore, at hearing of plots, confpiracies, tumults, treafons, and rebellibn : in his opinion, no fuch stifled there, and until he had better proof than that which appeared in the reports on the table, he would oppofe the Bill. .Lord HOLLAND alto frice with great force and animation againft the Bi His Lordfhip lament ed that he was obliged to feel himfelf under the occeffity of debating the prefent Bill in a great rneallire pa confiderations of a perfonal nature.— buch a ground of debate was always painful to his feelings, and he would have foreborne to trouble heir I..ordlhipi at all with his obiervations on the fubjed, did not his public duty make it abfolutely eeeeffaryi He did; without meaning any difpa reset:lent pr the Noble Lords who coil e.from Ire land, he could not rely on their information ; be. pante if that were to be taken as fit parliamentary ground for fandioning the palling of the prefent Bill, one of the great arguments tired by the Ex- Secretary of State, in recommendation of the Union a few months ago, mull neceffiarily fall to the grogod, viz. that when the Union palled, all fubjeds connected with Ireland, would then (land a better chance of being temperately difeufled and deckled on; becaufe the Imperial Parliamentwould 'mot ix governed or influenced by local prejudices, or any of thofe feelings that might ailed the pal- 'lions,' or lead to any thing but a fair, a candid, and aniimertial determination. His Lortifhip re probated the Bill as a direL infringement' on the toallitusion, said raid, it was a miferable proof of the advantages the Irifh were taught to e sped from their Union with Great Britain, in the commence eat Of that Union, to deprive them of the Irene , fits of the conilitntion. The Bill placed the IriOr eta that 'serener' (late for another fear, and Ilion tile very faine arguments it might be continued for • thirty Tears longer ; ;sod would any man fay, that any people ought to be deprived of the bleffings of the Britlfb Cradlitution, who were the fubjeds of . kopoiernment, fOr thirty years?- - That would be raife a defpotifm of the moll arbitrary and op priffive kind on the ruins of a free Government. to Lordfhip added many more arguments to (hew that there was not fufficient proof of the pretended rieeelfity for paffing the Bill before the Houle, to induee or to warrant their ,Lordfhips giving their fandion to a mearnre of fuch monfirpus oppreffion pa injofficei ' . . Lord CAaLeron Paid in the courfe of that and the formeidebate, when the exiffing Bill had been trader difcufTion in thit Hpufe, much hid been Paid tthe Noble Lords vef;o, like himfelfk had hereto re belonged to Ireland, and'imi chiefly refided fp drat Country, of a nature highly conciliatory arid flattering to them, and he was forty to add at in much that had been laid alto repelling m, *thing like juftice had been done to them. . ph mirird• to the Bill, no man could be a greater enemy th every Bill of that kind than he was, and Li was ready to admit that it moil be a Strong ne- Ceffity indeed that could fullify fuch a deviation from the eiroftitittion being carried into a low.— Vafortwiately for hisn, he had been himfelf a wit pad of the eliftence and preffnre of that krcmg ne @effity. • Thok Noble Lords who, like him, had ,elided io'rreland during the Rebellion, had den pith fin** but too puny reafons forthe intrisdqc. ton of Martial Law, eonfeepiently they were heft nabled to (peak in fupport of the Adj. At the e time he did not expert or detire the Houfe to s if (rod any confidence in him, pr the other rim Peers to whom he had alluded. Their Lord, dips had upon their table Riports of committees pf the Houle of Commons,ind of their own Houle, and he Ihould have imagined that they might fafe y have placed their confidence in thole Reports. It was true the head Ot Rebellion was at prefent , tent down inirelapel ; but the principle of rebellion ftillexifted in that country in allies otiginal vigour: it was Martial Law that kept it tinder , but it was by no means estinguid ed : it was a known fait that tin difaffeited anxiMilly looked (co another hefrom Praise( I and their Lorddips might he aired the moment the French landed in lie-, land many of the difaffeßed would avow their dif loyelty'and join them, it being the fixed determi• nation of the United Iriflunen to do all in their power to fubyeirthe Government and tear afun <lei the bonds of connexion thit held Ireland and rßritain together. For there and atany tea as which his Lorddip affigned in 'proof of the fli eeety of 'tie Bill's paging for the protedran of the lives and propertylof the loyal Ira, he declar id the Bill (herald have his fqpport. ' The Earl of Waireici did, he did not intend us fat more than a few wonils, Ili the Bill oh the go - aimed' wkli JAVA titan" lii tOtlil ' prl, to be. He would only fay, that in confequence of what had fallen from the Noble and Learned Lord who (poke laft, and from other Noble Lords who came from Ireland, he was fatisfied that there was a (prong necellity for paffmg the Bill. He recommend Xinifters to take care that in England and Ireland proper and effectual care was taken that the indultrious labourers were enabled in both countries to obtain their fupport. This wasa duty which Minifters were bound to attend to. The Earl of CARLISLE and Lord LONGFORD rote together, but the former gave way. The latter then in a neat fpeech Rated his reafons for fuPport ing the Bill. He laid, it was his misfortune to have feen and felt the neceffitT that firft called for a Bill of the nature of that under confederation, and he was lorry to fay that the neceffity (till continued to ceift. It was.true the Efate .of the county from which he came was not, upon the whole, fo bad as it had been ;—but its not being fo was to be afcribed to the operation and effed - of the former Bills for the inzrodutlion of martial law. A Noble Lord had talked of the municipal law having been adminiftered in its regular courfe in Ireland. It was true that it bad been fo adminiftered, but that ' could not have been the cafe but for the exiftence of martial law. To that, and that alone, was to be afcribed the due adminiflration of )'ullice in re gular courts of munkipal law. His Lordfhip added a variety of other ftrong and pcintccl ob. fervations in rapport of the Bill. The Earl of CARLISIA raid he was happy to have given way to the Noble Lord, who had, with fo much ability and fo much force, eftablifhed to his conviction a fufficient prdof, that for the tranquil lity and fafety of Ireland, it was abfolutely necef fary that the Bill fhould pals, and that fuch a ma. nifeft deyiation from the Britifb Conflitation fbould continue in Ireland for ont year longer. In defe. rence, therefore, to what had fallen from that Noble Lord, and a Learned and Noble friend of his (Lord Carleton), he (hould, though reludantly, give his vote for the Bill. His Lordfhip raid, that though he was fatisfied, by the fpeeches of the Noble Lords to whom he had alluded, he could not fay he was equally fatisfied with the firech of the Noble Secretary of state ' who had intioduced the debate, that Noble I,ord not baying aligned any reafon whatever to prove the exiffence of that ne ceqty which could alone juftify 'palling the Bill. Much had been laid of the admitted excellence of the charaaer of the late Lord Lieutenant of Ire land (Marquis Cornwallis); it could not, therefore, but ftrike the mind of all their I f ordfhips ? as a verb extraordinary circumftattce, that his Majelly's Mi- Milers fhould, at fuch a moment of all others, have fent to recal the Noble Marquis from his govern ment of Ireland, and fent out a new Lord Lieute nant, who, though ; Nobleman of high charac ter, mull be an utter ftrangcr to the Irillt people and their prejudices. His Lordfhip coogratplated the Hoare on the favourable change that public affairs had undergone in the courfe of the Seldom ; the florm that had appeared over our heads in the North of Europe, ha been averted and diffipat ed ; and the profpea in the Weft was, in confe quence of recent events, infinitely spore flattering than it flood before. At home too, we had a pro 7fperous haryeft in view, and were no longer obliged to put up with thole fubflitutes that we were oblig ed to have recourfe to fome months fince. One fubilitute indeed we had lately been obliged to flub mit to; and that had been a / a ffiliate aelfillnirian. We had loft the benefit of great abilities, great wif dom, great energy, and great experience, and had heti others of no experience, men perfedly untried, take their place. One Gentleman had ventured to take the helm of Government into his hands, of whole qualifications for that arduous fituation they really kocw little or nothing. His Lordfhip com mented for fome fhort time op this circunaltance, and cotickided with voting for the Bill. The Archbiffiop of Attempt firenuoully de= fended the hill; he traced it to its origin, aid fajd that the Parliament of Ireland, with its expiring breath, had bequeathed t as a valuable legacy to Ireland, and the IMperial Parliament had fince renewed it. After going over all the ground of his former arguments on the fubjea fome months fmce, he raid; that Lord Cornwallis, of whpfe moderation and humanity every Noble Lord had fpoken fo highly and fo juftly, bad, as one of the very laft was of his adnaniftration, called a Cour; Martial in May left, and that the perfon tried be fore it for mMder, was convided and executed, He urged many 4afons for patting the Bill, and among others, one that might have flruck any of their I.ordfltips as a fulliCient proof of the necef fity of rafting the Bill, as well as it (truck him, viz. that in booking into the towns and villages of the Weft of England alai Wales, they were found to be full of Irilh families, who had beet; exiled from their qative country, and forced to reek their oral fafety in abandoning their hooks and F i f ing refuge in this happier ifland, His Lord p laid there was not a Tingle peer who bad re fitted in Ireland who would not fay the /lill was abfolutnlineeciffiry to be paired. The Duke of Lair sysa raid, he rare merely in confequimco of What the Noble and Learned Pre. late had jut a l erted , that then? was not a finale Peer of Ireland who would deny that the pin was. abfolutely oecellary. If he flood alone and un fhpported in the affenicm, the puke Paid, he would ' deny that the Bill was necaffary, or that then war any rebellion exifting at thistime in Ireland, Noy perfon, but thole who lived is the county where Martial Law was exercifed, could have sip& idea l of its horrors. He had known a military officer COMIC with his party to feareb a man's haggart for fire arms, and wheh be was remonftraxed with, on ordering his men to pull down the mates hay and corn, and (ratter it about, he fald . yen me living under Martial Law, and I and my mestitave a tight to do as we pleafc. It was Erne a complaint had been made to Lord coinwallis on this fubjed, The Marquis catifed an inquiry to be made into t h e fad, and the yet* was, he fent a fevere re primand to the officer. With regard to the de clared \ - of Ireland, be Duke Lod, that Sir t, hi s ' AideAe-oamP. have *de enenvrallii had clone :rte tie i and as to the' Monicipaj Law not heingfafely adminiftered in, its due courfe, it was undeniable that at the laft Affixes it bad been fo adminiftered throughout the Kingdom. In the county in which he had a pro perty, he had himfelf many trials for treafonable praßices regularly proceeded in, in the Courts of jultice, and the parties convicted and executed. The Earl bf Comeevott, in a warm fpeech, re probated the Bill, and faid no fuch Bill ought ever to have patted, becaufe it was unconftitutional in the higheft degree, and gave powers that ought not to be entrufted in any hands, however refpec table. Under the Bill, his' Lordfbip contended, the Lord Lieutenant might delegate an authority to any man to put another to death without trial, without invefiigation, or any fort of inquiry, but merely becaufe he chofe to think him inclined to , treafonable pra&ices, and this murder he might commit without being in the "fmalleft degree re. fponfible for his ;conduit.—[Upon Lord Hobart denying this acrofs the Houle, and faying that the Bill gave no filch power,] The Earl faid he would fuffer death if k was not to be found in the Bill.— He read a claufe that apparently warranted his at fertion, and declared the Houl had no ground to go upon to induce them to pats fo extraordinary and alarming a Bill, which went to change a limi. ted Monarchy into a very different Government, and was calculated to pave the way for the lotro- , dudion of a defpotic Government, and a pure De mocracy. He faid he had no confidence in what had been faid by the Noble Lords from over the water. He did not mean to fay that they did not • believe what they had related, but their belief was not his belief, and he was• not bound to adopt their belief, As little confidence bad be in the Report of the Committee. He did not know the falls that came before them, and by the ALMIGHTY Goa that made him, he did not believe one word of the in ferences and conclufions that they drew as the refult of their inquiry, The Earl added many other fentiments aria theßill equally ftrongly e epee fled. The SICRITARY of STAT! TO(0 TO reply. His Lordfhip laid it was evident that it was no fort of confrquence for him to attempt to juftify the Bill, fince the Noble Earl had fairly and openly faid he did not believe one word of the Report on which the Bill was founded. The Earl of CARWARVON interrupted Lord Ho bart to let him right. It was not ope word Of the Report that he had faid he did notbelieve. lie took it for granted that the fads had been fully proved, but what be had faid was, that he did not believe the inferences and conclufions drawn from thofe fads which the committee reported as the refult . • of their enquiry. Lord Hosaax refumed his fpeech : he raid that, according to the Noble Earl's explanation, it was not of any confequence for him to attempt to Jul tify the Bill to that Noble Lord. Another Notts Earl bad complained that he had not, in his open ing fpeech, ufed any arguments to prove the ne ceffity for pafling the Bill, The rearm, for his not doing So was, that the Report', on the face of it, fufficuently proved that neceffity, and he thought their Lordthips would be more impretled with the arguments contained in the Report than by any he could add, The fame Noble Earl had diverted himfelf with the introduaion of the hackneyed 'ea of terming thofe in office a fub j fitsde Adminiftra. tion. No man lamented, Lord Hobart faid, more than he did, the lots of the great talents and abi- ISty of his predecefrors in office ; but, if the flue of 'public affairs were of late fo moth mended and improved as the Noble Earl had afferted, it was no very unfaiourable comment on the conduit of the prefent Adminiftration, in whofe hands fuck; happy change had beep wrought. His I,ordffilp read t pafilirs from the two Reports, in order to cotrinee e Hour,' that another Noble Eerl (Fitz w4upn), if he had gone a little farther into the ilateMent of the Magiftrate's opinion, which he had quoted,. would have found that be avowed him felf a ihentiPes Advocate for the continuance of Martial Law In Ireland, tie alto read the oath l of the United Mittman, in which they folemnly IfFore to do their 61tomil to itßit the French, if they 1 tiZoe, in fubvertiOs the Government, overturning 6 tile Conftitution, and dethroning the Monarch. The Earls of thiaLis andcaanaarow,in Short fpeeches, feverally exp lained.-4t length the quer ion ti Thet the Bill be read a fecund time" was put, and thc_Hou4 divided :-.Contents 3o: Proxies 13 4.74,4. Not Contents 101 Provies 37,-13.1Majority 33, The Bill was thenordered to b e combine this day. The Saceereer of fiTaTa Paid, the Martial Law Bill, if it ' , MC to Pars, Would not admit of delay, as t h e cailtrog Bill'expired on the afth inft, tereassarrr atm., The Lois Cam: rapt le ft the Woollitclt tq recommend their il ourping the fecood media' of the hull: oily Bill till Friday next, as et that rate hour of the night, it would he idle to that they could Om& die debate before; ve ry hour the next morninz. The Earl of Nose* raid be thought. liable to fo firm% ohjedions as the Martial Law Ain undeubt• edly was, the Indemnity Bill was infinitely mare fo, and that expelling it would few on that night ha had not pronalted the debate they had Pit 6. nifilecl, l but referved the delivery of his Sentiments to urge them ligainq the Indemnity Bill, though each Bill would admit of refillance by the fame line '449l{oroulti Ho would however agree with the Learned Lord that •it was too late an hour for their lierdthlps to enter into the debate that night, Lord tiolia4P deel*red hisinabiliey or attend ipg diffoXion, as It wall :taw delayed, Toe Minitn4 of 444movnu god that he sould lint, like his Noble Friencl i be prefene on Friday, being obliged to leave town to attend to other im mediate bufinefs the 14843 day i that he bad withed to have Rated his fentiments at length againft thi Bill, but undcr the cireumilanoes of the cafe, he begged to be permitted to Nits then, that he thought the in the molt alarming, unpin fottented, and uneonflitutional meafure that had ever beep attempted - the boldeft Minifiers at any Mimi of our bit .. If the Bill had beep limited to a particular 'of dwation, he S hould J by hiftary. 414 time, thought it might have boon fuhmitted to e The Beretta gave notice that he &mkt attend to-morrow at three o'clock, in order that fuch Private Bills as Rood for 3d reading might be gone through before four, when it was &Stable they might be fent up to the Houfe of Peen. Ykr.lllstuw *RING brought up a Bill kr more effeduaily pre venting the deftroying of Garden plants and Fruits. Ou the queftlon being put for the firft reading, Mr. SaltaIDAN rote, and (aid he was forty to fee helt an hi dinction to Wreak the Penal Statutes. He thought the laws at prelim in elifteate were fully fu dent for the punlament of thefts of the nature contained to the Bill propored to be read,.— He underftood it to be Bodhr to one introduced into that Knife a few years ago, which was thrown out through the egertloaa of an Honourable Gentleman, the Secretary at War. • The Bill was then read a ftrii dote s sad ordered to be mut a (mond time on Friday. FIN ANC) L 'TOY% OF TN! COUNTRY. Mr, TIERNEY rote pureuant to the notice he had given, to lay before the Houfe a firing of Refolu. tions relative to the finances of the country. Thefe Refolotions, he Paid, would run nearly in the fame order and have the fame obje t in view as thofe h e had before moved to be laid upon the table. He would have contented himfelf merely with moving 'that they be laid before the Houfe, were it not for .u* event (the Union), which had ance taken place. and which might make tome confiderable changes In his flatements. All he wicked was, to rubmit a ruccind and clear account to the Houfe of the Ingmar; or diminution of the National Debt, and the coorequences that are likely to arife treat) fuch increafe. The Honourable Gentleman then pro ceeded to Rate his Rsfolutions in the order in which they hereafter follow, and to accompany then) with a few comments and obfervation‘iyar. titularly that which Rated the probable Ansi:gnat of the peace efiabliihment, Ihould the war terminate with the end of the year. Thefe °hal-rations-lig threw ont not with a view to fink the partite mind into defpondeney (there were many of the Refolutions which mull produce a contrary eßee), but in order to place his liatements in an impartial andintelligible point of view. Thofe that related to the forking fund, and to the amount of im. ports and exports, were highly eonfolatory, and argued means of anfivering many exigencies, and fumiilied folici proofs of the immenfe extent of our commercial rpeculations and profperity, The to tal of the imports and exports amounted to no lets a fum than ninety millions flerling. This flattering view of our commercial wealth and prorperity was, however. rpmewhat clouded by obferving the rate at which we were proceeding in the amount of the anan_al expenditure. This was a point which it .!nne.rtacient to Rate, in order to flrike the feel ings of every man who was anxious for the wet, Sue of his country, eipecially if the peace that is likely to clok the war &mild be only an armed peace, as tome Gentlemen have been in the habit of reprefenting it. The next topic the Honours. ble Gentleman more particularly dwelt upon was the amount of the Income Tar. This tax fell of from year to year,' and thus (hewed the fallacy of the fplid fyitem of finance that was built upon it. He had not this year renewed his motion for the repeal of it ; not that he did not feel that it MO mad on the comforts of the people ; but that ha Wifhed toleave it to the confederation of the Right Honourable Gentleman (the Chancellor of the Exchequer) during the hammer, in the hope that he would devife tome financial fcheme in its Read.' It was a tax which weighed peculiarly heavy on the landed intera of the country, while the whole interior trade of the country did not contribute to it eco,oool. He had already Elated the amount of the imports and exports at ninety millions, and on this furn he thought ten per cent. Mould go to the town income . From the Refolutio ns b e h a d Z ni to the Hours a great variety of °beery*. might naturally arife ; but he would Whin ' from making any that could tend to excite a fpirit of defpondency ; he only would with to haflnuate that Come great and thong meafure of finance mutt be refined to to meet the coming exigen cies: and he trotted the Right HonourableGefitle. man. would turn Isis attention tel. The prefent fituation of the country was perhaps favourable to filch a meefure, and the favourable moment iliould not be left unimproved. 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