Star. — London, England, 1802-12-21 00:00:00

• • ; n that trail'.. Whatcver difadvanfages the tradei have hiboured under of late, there could be F tt c. c from the preterit afc& of our affairs in ;;,at Q uaver cf the globe, and the refloration of p e ace, but the colonial interetts would rife St. Domingo, which, in 1789, imme dipiv heicre the revolution, had freighted home to Frince no Izi's than 470 large Ihips, was now r .j u cec; to ft.ch a time as to be wurfe than wholly ..c ; Guadalotipe,alti) a very fertile ifland, rofpea elbeincy, equally reduced. Thole tw n iources of Weil India produce *cut off, the skinand of Europe mita of courfe be tinned ti .;,c produce of the Brit Colonies , and the p • c oateg.tetice to our Wett India Trade mutt be too o bvt - iti , to require comment, as Loon as trade £nd its level. The confideration u:•ich induced the prefent meafure now before the was the immenie flock of fugar on hand, ,n . ch, ;I it were to meet the produce of another : ,!,I,•J.,it year at market, vould fo lower the price, be ex:r;:mely injurious to the proprietors, to „ Loin i t was i t rogive every fair advantage. a t ti :it;ed the full force of thofe argurne..As which htc - .1 offered to prove the importance Cl the We:l Ind:a Trade, to the manufaCtures, the eornme! ce, the !evenue, and the navy of this coun..rv, aid la:(.1, it mull he always the with as well as the intereft of Government and the Legif lame, to give that trade every necefrark protec ticn arid fcpport. nr.J.ll;iso:4 role to explain. The quettion being put, the bill was read tee third time, paired, and ordered to the Lords. twinsLtsEx ELECTTON• Sir FRANCIS BURDETT Tat to call the attention of the Houfe to the fuhjetl to which he had ad. vetted on a former day. It had been fuggefted to hint by an Hon. Friend, not now prefenr, that it would be better for him to explain to the Houle what the Iptcific ground of his complaint was, and to leave to a future day any refolutionswhich lie might think it expedient to move on it, in cate co other Menibcr chile to take up the bufinels.— Though he . was very much inclined to accede to this foggeflicn, he thould be guided by what ap peared to be the difpoiltion of the Houle. The' Hon. Baronet proceeded to slate the ground of eomplaini. It eras cbota• ined in the fubftance of letter from Mr. Mainwaring, to a meeting of his friends held at the Crown and Anchor Tavern, and the refolutions adopted by the Gentlemen eutnpang that meeting: The publication of this letter and there refolutiotis, which appeared in the True Briton, he complained of as a high breach of the privileges of the Houle. . The letter and refolutions were read at the table by the Hon. Baronet, and afterwards entered as tad by the Clet k in the Journals of the Houfe. • The previous fermi being gone through,' the Hon. Baronet proceeded to fay, that on the nature Of the papers now read, he thought there could not be two opinions. Every Member muff agree that the publication of fuch papers was extremely Indecorous, and that the only object of fuch a publication was to prejudice the minds of Members in thtfuture consideration of the merits of the tlettion before a Committee. Thinking this to be the cafe, he thought it would be ptoper for him to folio* by this opinion by reading the Refolu tions which he wifhed to fubmit to the confidera tion of the Houfe. The two refolutions were to the following effea : 2. That then a Petition complaining of an undue return on tny ElLetion has. been retillarly prefented to the Houfe, any publ:cation tending ro prejudge the merits of fuch Petition, or to influence the Wilds of Members, who might hereafter be appointed to deci.le upon it in a Committee, is contrary to the Prilitege% of Parliament, and a high contempt of the Privikges of that Houfe. The 2d likErnbition was deigned to declare any fubfeription for carrying on any fuch Petition fo prefented to be equally iiatal and uoparliaineztary. Having read the refolutions, the Honourable Baronet v. ilhed to know, whether there was a dif pofition nn the part of the Houfe, that he ibOUiti proceed md.rh them in the anal form ? Mt. Tacaptroa, as-one of thofe particularly al luded to, wailed the .bufinefs to go on, .and this appeared to be the general with of tile Houfe. Sir Fesscis accordingly proceeded to contend that the Itefolutions which he hact.now the honour of fibmitting were Maly Parliamentary. No one, he wAs cep tain, could argue that in the inferior Courts fuch a publication as that 'which he bad al laded to would not be confidered as a high con tempt of their privileges and jurifditEtion. Whether the Houk would be difpofed to view it in the fame light, as i: regarded their privileges, it was not for him to decide, though it (truck his mind that there fnould be a greater anxiety to guard againft any thing like prejudice, partiality or influence. Such trelings were not furpeited to exi It in inferior Courts, but in that Houfe their operation was more natural, and at different times the Monte had found it ne ceittry to guard againft their influence by pofitive enaCtments. What he now raid applied particularly to the Fait of the Refolutions, but the fame prin ciple applied to the fecond with equal force. If it vras illegal an d unconflitutional to offer ant pub lic opinion on the merits of a cattle pending its de "iion, it was furely equally fo to attempt to tn. tience that decifion by entering into any Inbrcrip. tiun for that pupae. He did not mean to prefer ally complaint againft a particular individual, but he felt it his dot y to bring the matter before the Houle, that th e y might have an opportunity of determining how far their dignity was compromif ed by permitting fuch proceeding to pars unnoticed. He w as quite difpored to puth the matter no fur ther than a general Refolution, which would an firer every purpofe he had in view. The Sm. fa again putting it to the Hon. Ba ronet from the Chair, whether he meant to complain of any particular Member for a breach of privilege? be :Rain anfwered diftinetly in the negative. Th e h it Refolution was then regularly prnpofed. 111 r. I'HORNTOM briefly vindicated his conduit, wad fisted the motives on which it was founded.— As a i elcaor of the coonry of Midtilefer, he felt that he had duties to ri lam which in their nature a t !%1 conf - nences were not leis important than whi he was called upon to exercife as a i 'lernher It Houle. If he was bound as a . - &Wye right, and frinehifes, on the proper fop port of which the very exiftence of that Houfe depended. By the return of the Hon. Baronet, by means on which .at prefent it was not for him to give an opinion, he had' found his own vote, and the votes of a great proportion of other free holders, renderei4 nugatory. In perle conliftency with his ditty, without any motives of perfonal holfility to the Hon. Baronet, without the fmalleft with to prejudice the minds of any Member of the Houfe, he had, in conjunction with others holding opinion on this matter fimilar to himielf, tiled every means to get this molt valuable franchife reftored. By what other means than thole which had been reforted to, this object could be effected, lie confelred himfelf unable to difcover, and, therefore, he felt confcions of no criminality. Lord HAWKESBURY contended that the refolii , tions proceeded on an erroneous (Eitel/lent of &Cis. They proceeded on the fuppotition that the merits of thc petition in quellion were prejudged by the publication complained of, but what was the real fituation of the cafe ? An Honourable Gentleman had prefented a petition, complaining that the Ho. nourable Baronet had, by undue means, procured his return as one of the Members for Middlefex ; and in confequence of this flatennent calling on the Hcnife to take the matter into their lei ious conli deration. With refpeet to the language in which the petition was couched, it was as calm, tempe rate, and decorous as the nature of the complaint would admit. In this there was nothing indeco rous. But what were a number of Gentlemen, who by this return conceived their elective fran chifes to be invaded and rendered nugatory, and who concurred with the petitioner that it was by the means which he had pointed out that this ef feet was produced, to do, in attempting to invali date an election which they conceived to be illegal? Were they not to declare their fentiments fairly and openly on the fubjed ? He himfelf had read the advertifement complained of, and certainly nothing ever ftruck his mind as more innocent, or There unobjectionable; it was a fimple declaration, that in the opinion of the Gentlemen compoling the Meeting, the Honourable Baronet had, by on jutlifiable means, fecured a pretended return, and that every meafure might to be reforted to, to pro cure its abolition. Haying laid, that he conceived the general principle to be correct, it was hardly necelfary for him to add, that a refolution to enter into, or to promote a fubfcription, was equally juftifiable ott every confideration ofjuflice and pro priety. The argument againft it, from the idea of its tending to prejudge the merits of the caufe, he thought quite inconclufive ; the Houle at large were above any fuch influence, and the particular Members alluded to were, according to the Rules of the lionfe, excluded, from their connexion with Middlefex, in the capacity of Eleflors, from vot ing on either fide in the decifion of the petition. Sir FRANCIS BURDETT declared that he did not with to prefs the Houk to any decifion on the Re folutions he had fubmitted to their confederation. He was willing to withdraw them, but could not allow, with the Noble Lord, that they were not founded on conftimional grounds. In laying that they were fit to be introduced to the Houfe, he was fupported by law authorities of the firft weight. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQVER briefly pointed out in what refpeft he thought the Refolu tions unneceffary, illuftrating and confirming what was faid by the Noble Lord who fpoke Taft but one on the fubjeet. He accufed the Hon. Baronet of, in the Taft day when, this fubjeft was mentioned, calling an imputation on the chat after of two Mem bers, which charge he had not followed up on the prefent occasion. Sir FRANCIS Buerirrr, with great fpirit, dif claimed any perfonal reflection on a former day, on the charafter of any. Member of that Houfe. He had merely applied to tht Chair for informa tion, whether s as the Motion particularly relpefted two Hon. Members, their prefence would be ne ceffary, as he thought it would not be handfome to agitate a bufinels in which they were concerned in their abfence. The Reinlotions were then negatived without a divifion.—Adjourned. ••••••••\.•uc A Al callVE anus thing like prejudice, part feelings were not fufpeaed but in that Houfe their op and at different times the ceirary to guard againil enaetmentb. What he nov to the firll of the Refolut ciple applied to the fecon was ►llegal and unconflit lie op►n►on on the merits ciiinn, it was furely equa itience that decifion by e nun for that purpofe. I aoy complaint againfi al he felt it his dety t.o brin Houle, that they might determining how far thci ed by permitting fuch pro He WAS q►►ite difpofed to Cher than a general Rein! fiver every purpofe he ha The SrEAkia again pi rnnet from theCha►r,whei of any particular Member be again anfwered dilline The tit Refol►►tion was Mr. THORNTON briefly d3d hated the motives or As a I tiCaOr ol• the cotl! that he had duties pert and confequences were thofe which he was call Member .of that Hook. LONDON. TUESDAY, DECEMBER ax. Sr. TUOMAS'S IsT—H4lll4 at the Bank, and all the Public Mess. PRICE OP liTOCkS THIS DAY AT ONE O'CLOCK 3 per Cent. Conf. for opg. 7 4 3 per Cent. Red. lit—Omnium 4 dif. PRICE OF STOCKS YESTERDAY: Bank Stock 1139 Imp. 3 per C. 70} 3 per Cent. Red. 71 nil Imp. Ann. t if 4 per Cent. 1 777 Nit Exeheq. Bills par. is. diE Per C.Anu. 103{ iozif Omnium 31 4 31, dif. Long Ann. soil Conf. for org. 731 72f 73f We have received Paris journals to the 18th. Letters from the Hague (late that the Dutch Government is very much diffatibfied with the vio lation of faith which the French Government dif covers in obliging them to keep a confiderable num ber of French troops in their pay. They have refac ed to acknowledge General MONTLICHARD as the Commander, and have determined to difcontinue the paying of the French troops in their territories after the prefent month. We cannot fay what credit is due to this fiatement. It is believed, however, that the Dutch Government will be obliged to fub mit to the will of the FIRST Colts ut., who, it is probable, will not fuffer his meafures to be fo pub. licly refitted. A Declaration has been made by the Sub-Dele gate of Bohemia, to the Deputation of the Em pire, in the name of the EMFIROR, in which his Imperial Majefty reprefents the neceffity of infert ing a Claufe in the Definitive. Conchilim, for •the purpore of making provifion for the changes which _ _l___ mi ea , waraaush 1,11,.. .• pending ht Paris betvree* Auftria intis o ;titiLe. His Imperial Majefly again propoles that the lilefloral Dignity fhonld be conferred on the Grand Duke of TyscaNY and the Grand Mailer of the Teutonic Order, and aim that a certain number of pew Catholic Votesfliould be admitted into the College of Princes, in order to preferve an equilibrium .and due proportion between the two Religions.— There does not appear much probability that there requells will be acceded to, particularly the latter, as it has evidently been the policy of France to give a decided preponderance _to the Proteilant interefl in Germany. It f:ems from this declara tion, that the indemnities of the GRAND Dug!. of TUSCANY have not yet been finally agreed upon between Aullria and France. It is certain that nothing has yet tranfpired with any degree of authenticity as to the territories which are to-com pote thofe indemnities: After the reading of the Jeclaration, the Sub-Delegates prefent refereed their votes upon it until the next Sitting of the Deputation. The diambances in the Grirons are flitted to be appealed. General SERR ss has caufeci to be ar retied the p: incipal promoters of thole ditlurb ances, and has impofed a contribution of forty eight thoufind livres upon the Communes and in dividuals who were chiefly concerned in them. The labours of the Swifs Confolta have not commenced, the Delega . ..es of the (li:7 :rent Can• tons not having )et arrived at Paris, but the whole were expckled to offerable in a few days. CAnnt WORMIZOW, AnThaffeidnr from . the Conrt of Rnfi a, landed at Dover from yefterday afternoon, and is cipe&ed in town this evening, The Earl and Cnuntefs of YARritouTH have ar rived at Paris, (Lnd intend, as is laid, to fpeiLl the winter there. Wednefday the Duke of ORLEANS, and the Ea , l of MOIRA, arrived at Edinburgh. On the 29. h. uIt..M.VoN EHRENIIFIM, the Royal Prefident at Stockholm, gave a grand Dinner to Prince WILLIAM of GLOUCESTER, at which many of the Nobility of Sweden, and the Foreign Mini fters, were prefent. On the [lt intlant his Royal Highnels was to be prefent at an elegant fete, given by Count VON \VACHTMEI.,TER. CHARLES MOORE, Efq. of Lambeth Palace, is eluted M. P. for Heytefbury, in the room of the SPEAKER, who has made his Eke" ion for Wood flock. ROBERT HALDALE BRADSH•W. Eft]. IS elthed M. P. for Brackley, in the. room of SAMUF.L HAYNES, Efq.;' and JOHN KINGSTON, Efq. for Lymington, in the room of Major General HARRY BURRARD I Mr. HAYNFS and GOteral BURRARD having va cated their feats, by accepting Stewardfhips of the King's Manors, &c. . THE DUCHESS OF YORK'S CONCERT.—The firft great mufical party at Bath, by the Duchefsof YORK, was given on Friday evening hill. The whole fa , fhion of the place was prefent. It was aided by Sig nor RAUZZINI and Mifs PARKE. The mufic com menced with a duet by Mifs PARKE and Mifs HO NOR GUBBINS. ROYEDINO., jun. fin' s ; feveral airs, and accompanied himfelf on the Spann guitar : he likewik fung feveral duets with her Royal Nighnefs, who fins in the moil charming and finithed ftyle having fludied mufic with peifeve rance and delight. Mils PARKE fang feveral airs with much fweetnefs and taite. Both the Mies Guatstris', and feveral other Ladies, alfo played and fang. Colonel Tayr.oß played on the vio loncello in a very mafterly flyle. RAUZZINI pre tided at the piano-forte. The Duchefs mented Mils PARKE in very flattering terns. Th! concert commenced at nine, and concluded a'. a few minutes after twelve o'clock. Every on feemed delighted, and walled for a repetition of their evening's amufement. The falcinatingan I affable manners of her Royal Highncfs captiTate 1 the whole circle. COUNT STAHREMBERG.—The fndden rxpulfion of this Nobleman from Palk, by the fpectal order of the FIRST CONSUL, having fince been confirmed, we now flare the circumaances which are believed to have occafioned lo fingular an event. When the FIRST CONSUL commanded in Italy, a Imal Publication, entitled Le Grand llomme, or fome thing ilmilar, appeared at Paris, containing ltric tures on that General. This Publication was ano nymous, and never avowed. When the EmP F aoa propofed fending an Ambaillidor at the Peace to France, Count STAHREMBERG was fixed upon by His IMPERIAL MAJESTY as a propel perfon, and the Embaffy was accordingly propofed to him The Count, with all deference to his Majefly'i; command, hoPed for permdlion to decline it, fi om an unfurmountable objeaton to the nature of the French Government. It fhould feem, that the FIRST CONSUL was informed of fuel' refufal, ani the caufe of it ; which, added to the fufpicion h.t already entertained of the Count being the autl o • of the anonymous Pamphlet, rendered him an ob jed of diflike to the FIRST CONSUL. The Count was returning to England, after having vifited Vienna on his private affairs; he took Paris in his way,band meaning only to Ray a week, declined vifiting the FIRST CON sot. The day after his . arrival, Monf. de CoareTzu., the Imperial Mindler, received a Note from Monf. TALLEYRAND, informing him, that it was the FIRST CONSUL'S order, that Count STAHL Matto fhOUltl quit the French Territory in twenty four hours. Monf. Coaetcrzet in vain reprefented to Monf. TALLEYRANS, the injuflice of fuch proceedings, offering to be himfelf refponfible, that Count Sra . Haa!seto fbould anfw er a n y. aanfation agamft him in the moil fatisfadory manner. All that could be obtained from the Minitter was, that the Fiksr CONSUL gave no realms for kit conduti to any one, and that the Count had only to obey the nralertnkL.L ' t.- ALt At_ P 2. . NAUTICAL INTELLIGENCfi. MUSSELBURGH, DECEMBER ‘7. During the gale of Taft night, about hide o'clock, a Rating boat belonging to liflterrcr.v came on lb )re upon the rocks at Dudinglion Pans; about a mile welt of I interrow hArbodr ; there is every reafon to think a!1 the crew (live in. number) pc- Med, though none of their bodies 'raw 11-len found. One or the clew has left a wife and fix chi,drc.n. The bat is dallied to i.icees; part of the !Ming tackle and clothes of the crew have heen fou.!cl ablong the rocks. It is fupplfed the crew miftook the •height of Dudingfton Pans for Pinkie Pans, and f n the ,oat a fhore, expeeting to Inca a Lindy Leach. The cables ofed by our fifhermen are molt exc: Hem fen h ats, and there 'ias not been one loft for many years A brig with grain for Fifherrow is alto on fhore off the harboor ; the crew are fife, but the cargo rn ufthe much damaged. if:lw I o f,as the fra makes over C.e veffel at Rood tides. It Lid the i, from Lynn. FROM LLOYD's LIST. DEAL, DEC. 20.—Ntmaiti in the Downs - the chips as per laft. d S. W. • GRAVESIND, DEC. 20 --Sail"d the Fortune, Vlyt, —, for Rotterdam. . ARRIVED. .; avid In the Downs—The Grand Falconer, Rogers, frota 02orto, and Raner, Wilton. from Grenada. Off Falmouth—Brutus, Bunce„from At Hull—Olive Branch, Hanfon, front (lellec. At Clyde—Recovety,Camphe I, from New irorl.t. At Wrynu.uth—Ocute I loYming, 81. ir, front Dal:talc. At Livernoo:—l;o6Tfe, —, from Dantii.:. At :Lwfoun Hand—Albion, Bigp, from Rotterdam. At Leghorn—Jufl!ana, Rook; Raitibkt - Si - I.llth ; and Alert, Lannley, fi o:u London. At Vigo—Thorlry, Smith, from UAL At Cuxhaven—Choice, Clarke, and Priendrhip, Simkins, from I .ondon. At Genoa—Diamond packet,---,from Hull; Oc "an, —, and Catharine, Sinoock, (room Liverpool. At Gi'miltar—Aultria Catharina, --ft, from Itimbuigh. At Virginia—Mary Ann, Fuller, from Ga_rntey. At St. Croix—Lilly. Lafaine, from Newfoundland. At Honduras—Difpatch, Wallace, from Lon.lon. At Charldton—Miffilfippi, Callahan, from Liverpool. At Jamaiel—Robert, 15arbylliire, frrm Liverpool; EH vinn7a, Service; America, --; and Hercules, from Clyde. At Honduras—.l3enjamiu and Elizabeth, Henderfon, from Lon•sion. • • At Virgini —Hope. rawfon, from I.:verlool. At Naples—Hero, —, from Newfoundland. At Barcelona—Mercu , y , —, front Newfoundlet•ld. At Malaga—Charlcton, Burrar. from Newroumiland. At Portfmouth—L 'tat, Wilfon, from New Orleans. DISTRILUT/ON OF PRIZE IVIONFAY. A Diftrbution to the Diomede and l'lmp'rle , fe. for the rot.• lowing captures, viz. le Rail - one)le, the bt if an. the Poop Gaucus, the St. Jacques, la Diave, la Charbotte, the Cquritr de Seychelles; l'Anna, .'Amite, 1. , s Deux Coull la Raiff:it:- able, and a velfel, (name unkni,wn) will b: made at No. 17, Cccil-ftreet, Strand, on every Friday. The Ql!een Charlotte, Prince George, Princes Royll, Par flew. Ville de Paris, London, Namur, Hedor, EcTzar. De rime, Gibraltar, Bellaua, Centaur, Captain, DAance.Mari• borough, Repalf , Warrior, Montagu, Succefs. Santa Terela, Triton, Emerald, Aurora, Dolphin, Minerve, Pcttcrell, pair, and Vincejo, for the capture of the three French f.igatts, Courrgeux, At:ette, and Junon, and French hrig• Mir:: and Salamine, will be piiid a fecund payment at 14 o 9, New Broad ftrect, on Wedaefday, the sth of January, 1803. The Fraction, --, fsom Liebeau, for Amftertiasn, is loft OD the liland of Oefland. Yefterday arrived at Portfmouth, the Indultry, Harriet, and (teen, colliers, from Newcattle. fhe Baltimore, Dahl, from Baltimore for Bremen, is loft its 'the Wefer. The ruerefs, Sheppard, from London for Rotterdam, is pit into Ruffling in dlttre.s. The M.:rcury, Ritchie, from Leith for London, is loft off L The Haerlem, Wolfer, from Rotterdam for Stockholm, is funk in Whitby harbour. On Saturday the difpatebes for the Government cif rengal were made np at the Indi.t 1-I(infe, and forwarded on board the Althea, Capt. Rotate rs, returning to Bengal, from whence (he imported in Oanber Yciicrday the Purfers of the Hon. Eafl India Company's (hips the Earl Camden, Captain NA THANIF.I, Daticv, and the Bombay Cattle, Captain JOHN HAM Twrow, attended at the India Houle, and received their final dirpatches for the Government of Bombay ; with which they immediately pro ceeded to Deal, to joitt their refpeetive (hips. The Earl Camden and Bombay Cattle are to proceed to. China, after having landed their Contiguments at Bombay. _ _ Paffengers by the Earl Camden—R. Scott, Erg. of the Bea. gal Eitablifhment, Mr. J. Sandwith, Lieut. R. B. Crozier, Mrs. H. F. Crozier, Mils Catharine Crozier, Mifs Lucy Ann Tu dor, Mr. William Roberts, Mr. David Lowrie, and Mr. Wra . Ellis, volunteers for the Bo mbay Marine. Paffengers by the Bombay Cagle—Mr. Robert Campbell. Free Mariner; Mr. Thomas M'Clintocic, Free Maritivr; Mr. Richard Edition?.s Goodridge, Volunteer for the Bombay Ma rine; Mrs. Anna Maria Wren, Mifs Anna Maria Sarah Wren, and Mifs Martha Wren. A marriage, folemnifed between a Mr. O'Bit r En, otherwife Sir EDWARD, and MTS. ELIZABETH TERRIT, of Dorking, has been rendered null and 'void by a fentence in the Confitlory Court of London ; the faid Gentleman having, at the time of marrying Mrs. TERRIT, forgot that he had .t former wife alive, and an offspring of three chil dren by her. COVENT GARDEN THEATRE.—Laft night Mr. T. DIBDIN'S Comic Opera was repeated, and more favourably received than on Saturday, in confequence of the author having expunged feveral obnoxious pafiges—there wasAowever, fome oppofition, but it was over-ruled by the majority. More than half the airs were encored. A cuf torn this more honoured in the breach than in the obiervanee." Sunday morning two gunfmiths walked round St. James's Park for a wager of ten guineas, which was performed by the winner in twelve rniauces and a quarter. Ye Rerday New York Papers of the 9 , h ult. were received, but they bring no news. Tile Demo cratic Candidate for Coryrcfs has carried the elec tion in New England aggiii:tt J. Q . ....Aperds, the Federal Candidate. Saturday we received the Jamaica Papers to Cot 3oth 06tober, but they are more thAn ofttally bar ren. The GARLAND and STORN failed from Mon tego Bay on the 23d of October, on a crnize. The TARTAR arrived at Port Royal on the 27th, ;iS the Ecxo fume days before, from New Pi evi dence ; the DESIREE from Ports Antonio, and the SNARE, from Honduras: the DESIREN; while at Port Antonio, had her top and main mails tip tick by lightning, but no perlon on board hurt. The