Star. — London, England, 1825-06-08 00:00:00

rf - ~~ 1' • rklb S . , . .. • ' :~ • • • 'all other duties There never was a tie which so many circumstances required should .be re;:ealetf..- Ile could prose that there was an absolute loss to th revenueof nearly 1,000,0001. per annum, in consrqtvr t ce of illicit consumption. It appeared from calculations, that that there were at least 400,000 tons of. snap, illicitly consumed every year. Thrs quantity multiplied by 28/. thezieunmtof_dott per ton, would make the sum of 1,120,0001. annually abstracted from the revenue. This, he was sure, was very nearly the fact. A'though *the duty on soft s ap was only one penny three far things per pound, yet it was a mischievous tax, be cause a large drawback was alloWed in it. The duty on soft soap entwined to ahnnt 480001. per annum, and the drawback to about 11.0001. On hard soap he wished the duly to be decreaced fifty rer cent. or one half. Unless the duties were reduced, smuggling could never be put an end to. With respect to candles, the' duty was not so high, but as there was a great facility in the manu facture, there consequently existed a temp!ation to smuggling. This tax pressed hardly on the poorer classes, for the rich wire enabled Ito use the recent inventions in gas, oil, &c. It was a tax upon I i the: labour of the industrious, inasmuch as many branches of industry were carried on at night. It was heavier on the dip candles than on the mould candles, and this was another invidi oas diuinction bet‘reen the poor and the rich. He thought he had shewn that the height of the duties encouraged contraband trade and decreased the revenue. This was the ground on which he rested his demand for some modification of the tax. He wished that early in the next Session some measure might be adopted to repeal or diminish the tax. The Ilan. Gentleman theu moved a Resolution, pledging the House at an early period of the next Session, to reduce the duty on Soap, and another , to regime that on Caudle'. • Th CHANCELLOR n' the EXCHEQUER said he should oppose the present motion, although he was not aware of any new arguments which might be produced in -addition - to those urged by bins on former occasions.. The House opght to recollect, on a motion of this sory that already during the present Session there It id been repealed 1,500,00 W. of taxes. It should also recollect I-ow much had been done in other respects to lighten the public burthens, even when no taxes w ete positively repealed. It should also recollect that many proposi tions had been submitted with respect to further repeals ow future occasions. Government should not therefore be crippled in its resources by new repeals not origin ating with themselves. if the present motion were for' an immediate repeal, -lie should be able to meet the statements of the Hon.hlember at once; but as it merely required from the Howe a vague and ,indefinite pledge - • -•ur, • various eaglets, penis asioes is the Ceeety • of Calan; in favour of; the Catholic Claims.—Laid on the table. lard DACRE having moved the Order of the Day for re suming the hearing of 'Cosmos* upon the Equitable Loan Bid, Counsel were called in. Mr. Hawse* and s Mr. spoke at considerable lengt h in support of the Bill, and urg • the propriety of their being allowed taxa evidence at the Bar taiitillb.theadialdne which would re sult to the Public froth its adoption. Their Lordships having decided' that evidence should not be heard except in proof ofthe deed or the Cosernt.• The LORD CHANCELLOR , asked Counsel whether it was their wish or intention to prove the Deed? • Counsel replied, that they wished to be allowed some time to consider what course it would be roper foe them to adopt on this subject. After a short conversation, the House allowed them till wants:- row, and the IASI) CHANCILLOS told them that they should be to the Bar at Eve o'clock.—Adjourned. „ HOUSE OF COMMONS. Mr. ROBERTSON presented a.Petitioa from certain Operative Dyers. praying that some regulations may be skeilily made relative to transactions between Masters and Journeymen.--Referred to the Committee no the Combination Laws. Mr. Lyrri.F.ToN moved for the appointment of a Select Committee to inquire into the constitution of Committees on Pri vate Bilis, and report thereon to the House. lie expressed his hope that the House, considering the manner in which property was affected by the proceedings of these Committerga, would adopt means for remedying the notorious abu ich prevailed. Mr. S. BOURNE said that the dney? Members in Private Committees ought to he discharged in the same manner as that of Juries, and he hoped that a change in the existing practice would be effected. Sk 1. COFFIN hoped that one of the improved regulations would disallow the right et voting to Members who had not at tended Committees. • The motion was agreed to, and a Committee appointed. Mr. S. RICE presented a Petition from certain Coroners in • *viand, praying:that the law relating to their °thee may be restored jolts former state, and complaining of abuses which had taken place mtder the existing alterations. Sir J. NEWPORT suppOrted the Petition. Mr. J. SMITH said that the abuses contplained of could not . exist in thissfountry a Week, without being put down by the force of public opinion.. After a few words from Mr. Rice, the Petition was ordered to be printed Sir H. PARNELL presented a Petition from • certain Timber Merchants in Dublin, praying a reduction of the duties on timber. —Ordered to be printed. Mr. ?LUMMER presented a Petition from the Chairman and Committee of the London Hospital. in favour of the Bib for repslathsg the houses kept for the slaughtering of horses.—Ordered to be pr4teld. Mr. HUME moved for uteri Returns, relative to the receipts - the and expenditure of the Commissioners of briptotement in Town ofßrighton.—Ordered. • Mr. LAW LEY presented a Petition from Birmingham against the existing restrictions on the Sale of Baer.—To be printed. The Pirates' Head Money Bill was read a third time and passed. . • WRITS OF ERROR. Mr. Secretary PEEL said, he rose to move for leave to bring in a Bill which would be the first fruits of the liberal course which the House had just taken, with r:•gard to the salaries of the Judges in the different Courts in Westminster Hall. The object of the Bill was, to throw obstructions in the way of suing out fri volous writs of error. The nature of a Writ of Error was. an appeal against the judgment of a Couit, where parties had been subjected to the payment of damages. The practice was for such parties to sae out a Writ of Error, and the effect of that was to suspendlhe execu tion of the judgment so given. To shew the abises which eiisted under this form, he need only state that in the Court. of King's Bench alone, in the years 1817. 1818, anclll4l9, the number of cases in which Writs of Error weve.siied•Oni was rot less than 1197. 01 that Dumber thetk-7 158 cases in which no proceedings vow. . about something to be done in the nest Sesitrin,he - shourtt content himself with urging the eStretrie inconvenience , attending such a motion. As nething was•to . be. dowe , , but much to be threatened, the great rstattufactittero would be left in uneerta'nty, and much less might ensue. This alone was his reason for opposing the mo• lion, although he Mt disposed further to object to some of the Hon. Gentleman's &tails. For instance, the ar pment about the decrease of the duty on soap of 3,0001. an one year, was of little value when it was considered that the amount of the duty was 1,200,0001. per aa3Uns. He could state that the increase of,tonsumption in the preceding ten years was nearly 21,0001b5. So, as to the extreme pressuse of the tax on saddles upon the poorer classes, it amounted to one penny per pound, which added to 4s. Hid. was the price of a dozen lb. of what are called dips; but he could not believe that the fluctuations which often took place in the prices of candles were at all to be ascribed to the duty. The, Right Hon. Gentleman concluded with saying, that even it he were disposed to reduce the duty on Soap and Candles, still he could nbt accede to so Inconvenient-a motion as that now before the House. Chkiwzilor of the wesq were agetv*ls talc'', 702 cases inwhich the judgment of the Court was affirmed. and 326 cases which mere Mr. HUME contended that the .-__ Exchequer hid misunderstood the question: The additi abandoned alt , getber. There were only nine ba ses of Id. per lb. wagon addition of nearly 25 per cent. Tor where there was any argument at all, and in one only if the price of a dozen pounds of dip candles was 44.11 ii; was the judgment reversed. But of these 1197 cases the tax of Id. per lb: would be just another shillings where We:ts of Error had been sued out, only eight It was evidently, then, a heavy tax, and fell on'thosir had been so obtained under any valid iniention of sub- classes least able to endure it ; 61 per lb. was a Air srquently acting upon them. The consequence in all price for dips, and if the tax were removed;they would these cases had been, that the execution of judgment be sol 4 at 54. but now the price was ad. Another evil was the Was delayed for a to elvetionth. He thought he had interference ofßigh t Excise, w entlema hich grea badtly increased the price of the ankle. The Hon. Gn oo former occasion laid said enough to induce the House to go along with him it down as a principle that the interference of the Excise added in placing some rests ictions upon . the obtaining of from 10 to 20 per cent. on the price of every article. The House Writsot Error. There had been fees payable to the should do all Inks power to remove such a vexatious addition to Judges upon the issuing' of these forms, w hi c h h e the prime Cost of the necessaries of life. Oa twee &Lit fall heavier should propene to abolish altogether. There was an Act of King than on Soap and Candle& regulation, compelling parties Mr. Alderman WOOD said, there was a large class James, which cambia a salutary issuing this Writ to rive security for double the amount of the sum which was obliged to carry on its labours entirely by for which the judgment rendered him liable. He proposed to re- candle-lighr, whose interests ought not to be forgotten: 'ere this regulation, and to provide that the Writ should be granted the ee public were depe s t .. ed l e t t Waso a hard thing that in Valeta arida: the formal sanction of the Court. He intended the alters tibits tai applj to alt the 'Courts. The Right Hoc. Gentleman of the wor et " a ri g ht P uiselied in every other cdtlatr r • ' moved for leave to bring in a Bdl for preventing the practice of tides as were manufacturing, in their tiats bosses , all suds ar suing out frivolous Writs of Error.—The motion was agreed to, and for their own cousumption. Lord A. HAMILTON supported the motion. a Committee appointed to bring in the Bill. Mr. HERRIES thought the arguments of the Chancellor of Mr. HUME presented a Petition from the Reverend Henry the &Amt.., quite conduive. A ithanaltewartePraTioll for some alteration in the Dire °I Sheri ff Mr. IlikES replied, and the motion was negatived without' - . is Ireland. • a division. Sir JOHN NEWPORT said, that the 'object required the in- Mr. Sccretary PEEL brought in a Bill for the purpose of pre • terferenee of the House. venting frivolous Writs of Errr ' which was read a first time, and After a few words from Mr. Hirst:, Mr. Secretary . Pin, and or d ere d to b e rea d a secon d tinietio Friday next. Mr Jams Nitarroer; the Petition was ordered to be printed. ' Lord NUCIRNT gave notice that, on Tuesday next, he should IMPRISONMENT IN INDIA. present two Petition from Banbury and West Looe, upon the Mr. HUME sad, that in the . East InJies the.Mi important subject of the Elective Franchise, and its alleged abuse litary Authorities had the enormous power of int in those Boroughs. prisoning whom they chose, and for what length of Lord RBRINGTON presented a Petition front Honiton, pray. log for a revision of the Corn Laws.—Laid on the table. time they pleased. Under the exercise of this extraor . The Report of the Irish Church Rates Bill was received, and dinary power, several individuals had been imprisoned the Bill was ordered to be read a third time on Friday. for life, without the slightest judicial proceeding against The' Report of the Lunatic Trustees Bill was received, and them. He therefore thought it right that a regular agreed to with some Amendments. The BM was ordered to be read a third time on Motility seat. annual return should be made of all the S:ate Prisoners,. SOAP AND CANDLES. and of the circumstances which led to their confinement. The Honourable Gentleman bete made some allusion Mr. SYKES rose to bring forward the motion 'of to a former debate, in which the Right Honourable which he had given notice relative to the duties on S?cretary of State for Foreign Affairs had been un- - ' Soap and Tallow Candles. it was not his intention to derstood to express a wish that there should be al propose any departure fronithe financial arrangements law passed to prevent appeals to the Supreme Govern-1 cf the Right Honourable Chancellor of the Exchequer, meat from the decisions of the Presidents in Council. As be only differed with him as to the manner in which He could not conceive that any obj , ction could be made he made his redactions. If he oent down to the country o t he Returns for which he Wes about to move.—That a retorts and was - asked what had been done by Parl ia me nt to- c o be mide of all state Prisoners, wither Natives, eon wards reducing the burthens of his Constituents ? he fined in India since the year 1800, the kogth of their imprisonment, could - reply that they had reduced the duty on wine. and the particular offences for which committed by the Governors But then. he should be told that they drank no wine, of Madras, Bengal, and Bombay. and feltato relief. If he then told them that the duty Mr. C. W. WYNN did not rise for the purpose of on spirits had bran reduced, they would reply that e n p la p: l 3:l f o r g the e motion,ata and, th ere fore , state returns could coutbad been d not be ' they did not want to burn their 'livers, and that they tha t th s e lac re h t Rade during the present Session. Still he wouldsay ' that no delay referred clean linen and clean skins, to red 'noses and a s euid take place in making the required returns. bloated bodies. The Honourable Member contended Sir C. bORBES said, that the State 1' isoners in to. that the tat upon these articles pressed most severely,. dice ften prevared Memorials to be submitteofo the Court of Di aLtrosaftiaisEihallanbede,nanodftehneired good reason believe that those puin the lower and manufacturing classes of the com- ed. The Hon. Moonier then riffnity. The whole of the duty uion soap amounted '''' alluded to some statstlnenta Which lad brat Made by the President to'l2o per cent. and the consequence was that the et the Board et cuntroui tsar. Canatiaat with regard to bankers in it Oat t.f the smuggler was :100 per cent. ancrthe fib! . India, when — trader was driven out f f the market. He knew that its: bin CAtINING rose and said," I, Sir, shourd not have tali town, many res p ectable tradesmen were cOmpelled offered one word upon this subject, dd it not appear to purchase the article of the - contrabandist, in order to to me that I li.tve been quoted during my *bseate; and support themselves against Sirit. lathe face of increased as far as I have the means of judging, a ; i .correctly as consumption, and the growing luxurious habits of the the ch4rges made in my presencecei utility are. I con country, he could shew that the duty-had greatly de- fesi, Sir, Ido not secugssise ps :p.m, any of . the .:enti creased. This was a arcing proof of the impolicy ments imputed to rim, and rs..w That lam .reminded of of the tax. Bat- een let and 1824, there was a the circumstances a luded to, [ must say th i r s t LA* en x deCrease of a. 250. on soap alone. Though this are they nothing like those which have been stated, hat looked 'moil in amount, yet it was a great deal; quite the reverse. The ca.e before the House upon the *bee taken in tele:mos with the large increase of occasion retested to was, that of Epropeao toa4kers , • . how n would—(Hear, hear)-i-}le could not. h ip thinking that, though there had been mote delay than had been expected, the very hest eff.cts would he ' pto duced from their inquiries. On those grounds, and not from any personal feelings whatever, and under the& m persuasion that the carrying the present m tion would rather prejudice than forward the operations, lie should give the measure his decided but r ducant-eppunkioe— (Meal, becer).o4lrclfutd nut see that` die lac:tsar pro posed would, in any way, facilitate the pros eatngs of the Committee,and 'he, thereffhe; carat& tick .- fir Hi& the propriety f submitting the evidence t ken !wrote them to the House, unaccompanied with sualiiiliteres AIWA expressed in their Report-{Hear, heai.) , ..,,„,. ) . I w4Li . ~ Sir F. BURDETT thought the Comfthdon bekee„ long to little purpose, He had little tomtit** its its body of men appointed by the Lord . CllOO . ve;,si Nil. *- had seen these evils grow up_peCon eareverge piaci, ,ftio eye!. He could not trust. the tented) , el -shoes. geeai evils to such hands, and thoughtahe scow l. they got; the means into Parliament .the better : Thti inquiry of this Commission he thought fsf too limited. I tdeed he saw scarcely any occasion for inquiry at all, in a case where the evils were so notorietts that so lentil, est England scarcely - had not felt them. The - 6,oart of Chancery was not now what. it was in foemetiktiev: This they all felt,'and many of them to their coy. They well kpew that the Court of Chancery had grost an enormous height of power and jurisdiction. -- Is:was his opinion that if chit Court could be asSitzfitalled th the Courts of Common Law, at least .its fat . isne cerned oral testimony, a great good would be wawa. Why, for instance, should not . the ,i.erd Changellev take oral testimony, rather than give an ereer for an affidavit from some man who probably was as the t'me sitting under his nose, a.id could resolve the difficulty in five minutes? Another thing that he thenglit should be got rid of wit, allowing defendants to evade a sum mons until the third was taken . out against the is. This was giving the dishonest the power of annoying the honest suitor. Perhaps separate Courts might be ad visable, although be-very much condemned -the fauns age thrown into the Lord Chancellor's - kends •tsy the officers of the Seventy Commiss;onersnt Bankruptcy.— These evils had been known and talked of as long as he .. could remember; but yet herr they were at this time of day merely talking about the matter. . Hie• for his parr, wished to see an-inquiry into tie Courts. of Com mon Law as well as the Court of - Chancery ; for suits had become almost as expensive in the rouser as in tht latter. He really hoped the Right Hon. °madman would chase* COURT OF CHANCERY. his mind, and agree to the production of those papers, for the • he. On the re.admisilon of strangers to the gallery, ne6t of the PUblic as well es the House. -Sir F. BURDETT was proposing his motion on the Mr. HURST supported the motion. Such were tile subject of the Court of Chancery. The Hon. Baronet fees attendant upon the most ordinary operetOns of th,e merely said a few words which did not reach the law, that a testator's bequest of 410 mold not be received without ,gallery, on licit:inn: of the noise Ad confusion occa- pr o ng ,68 n 5.641. .stoned by the admission of strangers after the division. Mr. W. SMITH mentioned a : circumstance of a si- Heihen handed his motion to the Speaker, wko read it miler nature. His father, upon his death-bed, called 'in the following terms . :e him to his bed-side, and told him that happily the Chan - 64 That an humble Address be promoted to his Majesty, request- eery suit in which they had been engaged for thirty-two yeah, was 'kg that all the evideooesaken before the Commissioners of Inquiry ended by the death of their opponent—(A laugh). Mato the Court of Chancery. may be laid before chi House." , Mr. Secretary PEEL said, he really thought 'he Hon. tin Secretary PEEL observed, that as the Hon. Baronet had better withdraw his nvtion, giving notice `Baronet had brought forivard his motion' with so much of a similar one next Session, when , if the Report was . ,brevity, it would not be necessary to occupy the House not before them, be ( M r. Secretary Peel) should certainly much longer in stating the reasons which induced hini feel disposed to take a different course from what he *as • (Mr. Peel) to oppose the proposition. He resisted it now prepared to do. To shew that he coincided With solely upon public geonittls, and without the intervene the Honourable baronet as to a revision of - the practice. tion . " any personal feeling . . - He hoped himself that of the Common Law Courts, he begged to point his at- ' the term would come when the whcie of the evidence te nsion to a measure be bad brought in that evenbfg, to restrain taken ty the. Commissioners might be laid upon the the issuing of frivolous Writs of Error , for the purpose otereating table, and this hope of itself chewed that he was actuated undue delay. .. by no latent motive which he did not fairly avow. He Mr. DENMAN highly applauded . the Right Hon.' trusted that the evidence already taken, and hereafter Gentleman for the Bill to which he had alluded. He to be taken; at the proper period, would be printed bad no doubt of its being one of a series which would. • - with the Report—for a Report of opinion merely, highly benefit the country. But it was to rediettly an' withouiaccompanying testimony, would certainly not evil already well known and extensively felt : now the'' -.• be satisfactory. If the inquiry could be concluded in grievance. of the Court of Chancery were of this kind; the present month, it might be presented, but not printed and therefore they asked to have acme immediate steps until next Session. -He believed it was without prece- taken upon the subject. The Commission, et:mei:tins dent for the House to call upon the Crown to present of a number of Gentlemen who, tparsini, as it were, evidence met*, unaccompanied by any explanation or for an hour or two, stolen from other avocations, met report of opinion, and unless some strong ground were together to consider of this matter. They - had• now laid, he should considei it an unnecessary interference been sitting fifteen months, and there was no prospect with the course of proceeding marked out by the of a Report. The evidence certainly ought to, be be- Crown, and not yet completed. But he did not rest fore that Hollif. A respectable Solicitor het stated,. his opposition merely on the ground of a want of pre. that when an order of Court was drawn up, it was cedetst, bet he contended that-no public object could be not to award the parties their rights, bot to pay in &hied by complying with the motion. He much part the costs of the Solicitor. He was net aware' doubted the fairness of laying upon the table, if not what difference there was between 'wishing - eviden:o . partial, at least a separate pardon of the testimony, to the House from Commissions and from Committees which might requite subsequent explanation, and which up stairs. Last year the Insurrection Act for s lrelente mighr be explained, if the Commission were allowed to was founded akogether on the partial evidence' of a proteed for two or three months longer. If the evi. Committee ; and if the production of the etamienstlone deuce that had been taken could be laid upon the table, before the Chancery Commission only led the' iSitlie' no public measure could be founded upon it this year. gradually to underitand the pi actics and Anises of:thee The Commission, he had been informed, had sat WS Court, it would do great good. He might also &wive? days, and had -examined 45 witnesses so that souse that he understood there was now a Committee kitting time must elapse in copying out that evidence in a fit up stairs on the Combitrations, and that although 'the state to be presented to the House. When presented, evidence of the masters had . been carefully taken . erft; it must be printed ; and when printed, it could not be that the evidence of the men in their own pacification . , weighed and digested in a moment ;in that the *doe. had not hien received ; and notwithstanding, ' * tion, or even the proposition, of any measure founded law was to be introduced on the testimony' of upon it was out of the question. He considered the one class of witnesses—(Cries of No, ,w).--Witil :fir inquiry as a most important one, and he therefore was very glad to hear -the rumour contradicted begged leave to disclaim any opposition founded on the from so gpiad a - soore4.e iie would, hoWever ins r, that, mete purpose of preventing investigation; indeed, it if anything sheaved ifiteitiblic where a reinetly . was Its was _his hope, that before long some efficacione remedy be found fur the evil* of the Court' ciflChaticeiy; the would be proposed for these delays, which, without evidence before the Commission would have that effect. •attributing. the slightest personal blame to any intlivi. and from the public only bad lie any hope of seeing the dual, he could not but confess, as an honest man, war grievance redressed. He had abstained from all peAonal - highly necessary —( Hear, hear). It was his belief, that allusion to the Noble Lord at the head of theCcont ; but the Report of the - Commissioners would be prpcluced he could not avoid saying, that in that house them ap very early, and that it would prove to be ample in peered an extraordinary tenderness in speak ng of that every particular of a case which centered within itself exalted individual, and from them therelore.be had a such immense importance—(Hear, hear). Hehadhad very trifling anticipation the remedy *sold proceed. very lately a communication with the Noble and Learned Bat without sayihg any . personal taint atraehyd to the ' individual, who might, perhaps , be supposed to feel Lord Chancellor, he siight-state: that dn . thefifst . dai most interested -in the question; and he could assure of last MichaelazasTerlar, there wi re fritY.fiel causes; -the House, that. he found), on the part of the Lord in his Lordship's paper, and that the sateellereyefive* Chancellor, no objection to any inquiry, and he had causes temained in the paper og the last clity Writhe: every reason to expect, from all that had been said, Terns ; --(1/tar)--not one of them having bOen:tiite.:l,ed. that a very fu 1 Repots, together with the evidence, in the Racial-, although each a the pletntilfi setialtislele mould be presented before Parliament could meet again, of the defendants, it ten or twenty in umber, ilisti Ater this statement, he hoped-he had succeeded in sa. to pay one pound for each day their cense Hasa 011' tisfying the H- pourable Member for Westminster, that the paper. Such was not a • way for Willie:pa - 6V, to , • "it would, in the present instance, be better to wait, to remain in. It might be said that butanes was: Stowe 's e what proceedings the Commioioners had themselves chiefly disposed a by motion, but of that .coueee he: instituted, and how (noel was altealy done; Tor even (Mr. Denman) disapproved, as tending to creme *pejo supposing the present motion was c trried, it would be &eels' the mind of the Judge, and preventing tfrarfolC two or three weeks before the evidence could be discussion which was requisite. He did not wish to say printed, so that there would be no time-left, in the pre- anything harsh of the Noble Individual .in ,queseiera k sent Session, •t ) undertake anything in; besides which, though Gov knew he had no disposition to lavish ram-- in hi. opinion, Any such proceeding would be a virtual phipeats in that qeart.r ; but all wb knew of his cMa supercesstot a the Committee. already appointed ; not duit was, that fin 25 years that b E witnessed the pr ,c -ta-t he had Any objection to the House, otethe Public at (ice in than:eryvite- anode/watts Mpe to teflon it.: hie The fact thassitolliglst Hos. Semicolon ( se. lar4, seeing what 1:441 beetesione by the Commissioners, iheehLeePlteet the motion of the Kesiitegble limier, tbellestiew hut sonsideting the inaprrtance of 'their exertions, and Tur W g it a linste nenct r he ' e iLoni chaac.ruer in dl5 vsisseef she day wo a o that in the ( 0 siain I,e that they had had, every one *l.O chose to give evid:i.ce Was allowed to do *o, tell NM demand was rest red. is the Sr.und s 611 which tb" :we ) ao ha : l oofid . 'who bad made loans to the Native Powers in India ;' and an attempt was made to get the Supreme Govern ment to interfere with-the Native Powers, in behalf of these European bankers. Aid the opinion that I put rdrviard then was, that the Supreme Government ought not tc interfere in respect of thee loans, which 'were . made in defiance of the law, tberrbeing actually a law prohibiting. such Ingns. This, Sir, is my opinion still,. and ever ha - s been; frets I con.iderthatt s atl the - disgrace, and all the scandal brought upon the British name in that q tarter of the glehe, have been effected by loans made to Native Powers by Europeans—(Hear, hear). How then, Sir, could I, with such feelings, have done otherwise than diccountenante the interference of the Supreme Government, whoee interference with Native Powers, it is well known, is command and extortion ? (Hear, hear). If one rupee of such loans be still owing, I wish that my voice may reach to India, to dissuade the Native Powers from paying it—to let them know that the debt was contracted illegally, and that they cannot be compelled to pay it—(Hear). Now, Sir, having stated the coir e which I took when the ques tion was before the Hthase, I leave you to judge whether I I have been fairly represented in my absence? I know not to which of the two Honourable Gentlemen I am indebted for the misrepresentatior. I find some diffi culty in ascertaining that, tliere seems to be such a comniunily of interest and feeling between them. One Honotrrable*Member did not even know whether the paper was itchiS own 'pocket. or in the pocket of the other—(A laugh). They t emind me, Sir, of the friendship of the two Gen tlemen in the "Speeehtir, who were of dne opinion,had but one idea, one religionz-iand one hat !"—(Sluch laughter). Sit C. Pisan and Mr. Hone severally explained. After a few words from Mr. TRANS, the motion was agreed to. Mr. HC Mg moved for copies gf Memorials from the Govern— meat in India to the Court'of Directors. relative to the situation of the Hindon Britons ; and also copies of any representations made by the Hindoo Britons to the Government, and of any proceeding imtituted thereupon.—Agreed to. Mr. HUME then said, he had a niotion to make respecting the appointment of the Rev. Dr. Bryce, of the Scotch Church, who WAS appointed Secretary of the Stationary Committee in Bengal. When Dr. Bryce was appointed, he advertised in the Gazette for proposals for a supply of stationary. Mr. Buckingham, the Pro prietor of a Paper in India, jocosely copied the advertisement, and for that offence he was banished from India, and all his prospects ruined. The Honourable Member moved for a copy of the minutes of the Government in India, by which Dr. Bryce was appointed Secretary of Stationary. Mr. W. WYNN opposed the motion. He said the facts were all admitted. Doctor Bryce was appointed, and orders were since put out to India to annul the appointment.—The House then di vided.l—For the motion, 26 ; Against it, 74 ; Majority against the Motion, 4111. • If .`•••• V .~_.z~